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Old Thai Hand
09-12-08, 11:22
I thought the gold was more relevant to GFs.
I mean you wouldn't go to a gold shop with a BG, surely.

I've known more than a few BGs who have had gold bought for them by punters.

Few regular TGs wear much gold, unless they're of the farmer's daughter variety. You won't find middle class and above TGs wearing those gaudy gold chains etc. It's considered tacky and low-class.

Giotto
09-12-08, 12:39
I've known more than a few BGs who have had gold bought for them by punters.
...Oh,

Thai [bar] girls like especially Thai gold a lot. One, two, three baht in gold, the more the better.

As soon as the new "boyfriend" leaves they can then go to a gold shop and sell it easily :) ...


Giotto

Member #3428
09-12-08, 12:47
Oh,

Thai [bar] girls like especially Thai gold a lot. One, two, three baht in gold, the more the better.

As soon as the new "boyfriend" leaves they can then go to a gold shop and sell it easily :) ...


Giotto

You all are so jaded.... thai bar girls are innocent little creatures with good hearts and they do not run and sell gold jewelry (right away....)

Many times they will wait and then go and sell two or three gifts from different punters and upgrade to even a bigger bracelet or necklace or such :) And then tell each one that they sold and upgraded the item just for them...

Member #3428
09-12-08, 12:57
I read this on 'Mango Sauce' and thought it was oh so true........

Funny... but in reverse... when they stop drinking and eating at expensive places and decide to walk instead of taxi, study their english lessons instead of watch TV, and wear flip flops or such instead of high heels and say things like, we should save the money for our future is when you know it is time to head for the hills..... Especially when you find yourself sitting on some plastic seats at folding table eating somtam with her family or going to their home and having the monks and others putting yellow string around your wrists... it's time to monger in manila for a while...

But they never stop enjoying the chocolate from overseas.....

You want to learn what not to do... follow me and you'll learn a lot ;)

Giotto
09-12-08, 13:19
Funny... but in reverse... when they stop drinking and eating at expensive places and decide to walk instead of taxi, study their english lessons instead of watch TV, and wear flip flops or such instead of high heels and say things like, we should save the money for our future is when you know it is time to head for the hills..... Especially when you find yourself sitting on some plastic seats at folding table eating somtam with her family or going to their home and having the monks and others putting yellow string around your wrists... it's time to monger in manila for a while...
...
Tansak KTV, my poor friend,

Is it that bad already :):):) ? Just falling from the chair here, laughing, you really made my day!


Giotto

Member #3428
09-12-08, 13:28
Tansak KTV, my poor friend,

Is it that bad already :):):) ? Just falling from the chair here, laughing, you really made my day!

Giotto

With as much headaches as we have been through I figured you'd get a good laugh at this even if it is at my expense... and atleast this could be a good lesson for some newer members.... If the reverse of what OTH says happens... then your in even deeper crap.

I haven't even told the story about the holiday with the mother and family yet... :)

1Ball
09-12-08, 15:55
You want to learn what not to do... follow me and you'll learn a lot ;)
Best line you have ever written.

Can I suggest an ROD for only a portion of a post, or does it need to be the whole thing ?
'Coz that line is a classic.
:D

Member #3428
09-12-08, 17:08
Best line you have ever written.

'Coz that line is a classic. :D

You like that huh... then you should love this one...

SHE bought me Gold :D

A gold wedding band :( and expects me to wear it... But she swears she does not want to get married even though there are bridal magazines all over the apartment. :(

Khun Larry
09-12-08, 18:18
Should be fairly obvious to even the densest monger buying gold for a Thai ***** is a fools errand.

May as well flush the money down the toilet

NicFrenchy
09-12-08, 18:52
Should be fairly obvious to even the densest monger buying gold for a Thai ***** is a fools errand.

May as well flush the money down the toilet

Yep, but so many fools in LOS it's not even funny anymore

1Ball
09-12-08, 22:16
You like that huh... then you should love this one...

SHE bought me Gold :D

A gold wedding band :( and expects me to wear it... But she swears she does not want to get married even though there are bridal magazines all over the apartment. :(
May I suggest a double wedding at LL in a few weeks.
You and Miss ***, standing next to me and Miss T. we will be married by the Buddhist priests, then everyone in the pool.

You can buy me gold any day Tansak, you noti boy.;)

PS. The hilarious thing about her buying you gold, is she bought it with THE MONEY YOU GIVE HER. Next thing you know, she will buy herself a nice little 3 carat diamond, to wear on her wedding finger.

ROFLMAO

Giotto
09-13-08, 00:01
...
PS. The hilarious thing about her buying you gold, is she bought it with THE MONEY YOU GIVE HER. Next thing you know, she will buy herself a nice little 3 carat diamond, to wear on her wedding finger.
...
Mr. VP,

No, that's the diamond I gave to her long time ago. She will buy Thai gold - she can sell that better after the wedding :) !



Giotto

M P Lurker
09-13-08, 09:11
I've known more than a few BGs who have had gold bought for them by punters.

Few regular TGs wear much gold, unless they're of the farmer's daughter variety. You won't find middle class and above TGs wearing those gaudy gold chains etc. It's considered tacky and low-class.
Yes my current GF only has a tiny gold chain to hang her ruby pendant. Fortunately she is not into gold in general.

My previous GF was into gold. But asking for gold was just the same as asking for money. She never held onto the gold for long.

M P Lurker
09-13-08, 09:15
Funny... but in reverse... when they stop drinking and eating at expensive places and decide to walk instead of taxi, study their english lessons instead of watch TV, and wear flip flops or such instead of high heels and say things like, we should save the money for our future is when you know it is time to head for the hills..... Especially when you find yourself sitting on some plastic seats at folding table eating somtam with her family or going to their home and having the monks and others putting yellow string around your wrists... it's time to monger in manila for a while...

But they never stop enjoying the chocolate from overseas.....

You want to learn what not to do... follow me and you'll learn a lot ;)
My GF was an incredibly frugal girl when I first met her. Didn't seem to ask for anything. Now its all going bad. Wants presents often. Seems to get more and more expensive.

Member #3428
09-13-08, 09:21
No, that's the diamond I gave to her long time ago.

Ah... so that came from you huh.... wondered where that came from :)

M P Lurker
09-13-08, 12:10
Thai girls from different regions can have distinctive looks of the region at times. Sometimes it can be wrong.

I just met a Thai girl outside of Thailand and claimed that she had a definite "Khon Kaen" look. Lucky guess. I was spot on.

On the other hand I once took a Songkhla (southern) girl to the Issaan and all the locals were upset when she refused to speak Issaan dialect as she apparently looked very Issan. Maybe too many of her ancestors were Issaan.

Old Thai Hand
09-13-08, 13:22
Thai girls from different regions can have distinctive looks of the region at times. Sometimes it can be wrong.

I just met a Thai girl outside of Thailand and claimed that she had a definite "Khon Kaen" look. Lucky guess. I was spot on.

On the other hand I once took a Songkhla (southern) girl to the Issaan and all the locals were upset when she refused to speak Issaan dialect as she apparently looked very Issan. Maybe too many of her ancestors were Issaan.

There are a lot of Isaan people working in the South and have been for a long time. So, there's a good chance that your girl might have had some mixed genes in there, somewhere. The South is at best, a polyglot of mixed races with Indian, Malay, Thai, Chinese, Isaan etc. all having "got their dicks in" as a mate from London so crudely, but accurately puts it. As a result, though Southern girls can be some of the most beautiful around, although the Thais don't like them because they're dark and they speak Southern Thai which is considered very abrupt, loud, brash and rude.

Old Thai Hand
09-13-08, 13:39
Funny... but in reverse... when they stop drinking and eating at expensive places and decide to walk instead of taxi, study their english lessons instead of watch TV, and wear flip flops or such instead of high heels and say things like, we should save the money for our future is when you know it is time to head for the hills..... Especially when you find yourself sitting on some plastic seats at folding table eating somtam with her family or going to their home and having the monks and others putting yellow string around your wrists... it's time to monger in manila for a while...

But they never stop enjoying the chocolate from overseas.....

You want to learn what not to do... follow me and you'll learn a lot ;)

It's no different wherever the girl comes from, or whether she's a poor farm-girl or a HiSo 'dek noo' from Bangkok.
I think that the farm-girls have relatively modest expectations, centering on gold (of course), building a new home for her family, a motorcycle or two for her 'brothers' and perhaps a pickup truck for Dad.

In contrast, a slightly more upper-crust girl will have wildly extravagant desires:

1/ Diamonds etc.
2/ anything Prada, Dolce Cabbana, Armani
3/ travel outside of Thailand and probably, outside of Asia

In recent weeks, my GF, because she's been hanging with a richer crowd, lately, has decided she wants to go to The Maldives for a holiday and shopping in Paris and Milan - the later, because I was there in the summer with my students. So, she thinks it can't be that expensive to go there (getting there isn't expensive. It's the staying and living there that'll kill you).

In the face of this, one has to take a firm stance and hope for the best, or start shopping for a new girl.


So, Tansak, you should count your lucky stars. ;)

Daddy07
09-13-08, 15:01
...In recent weeks, my GF, because she's been hanging with a richer crowd, lately, has decided she wants to go to The Maldives for a holiday and shopping in Paris and Milan...
Duh ... Do ya think it might be time to put your head back on and get back to good old p4p? :)

Just minutes ago, I waved bye bye to my two little threesome puppies after a lovely hour of hot sex, and all they wanted was 500 baht each and a mini chocolate bar.

Fon Tok
09-13-08, 15:25
...In contrast, a slightly more upper-crust girl will have wildly extravagant desires:1/ Diamonds etc. 2/ anything Prada, Dolce Cabbana, Armani 3/ travel outside of Thailand and probably, outside of Asia
Methinks that a poor Isaan farm girl might be a relative bargain and much easier to keep happy (and horny) than your preferred Hi-So types!

Old Thai Hand
09-13-08, 16:36
Duh ... Do ya think it might be time to put your head back on and get back to good old p4p? :)

Just minutes ago, I waved bye bye to my two little threesome puppies after a lovely hour of hot sex, and all they wanted was 500 baht each and a mini chocolate bar.

Nah. I was only actually saying this in very general terms and somewhat, tongue in cheak... In my case, the GF isn't being serious. It was more of a flight of fancy on her part, inspired by her new friends, and we both had a bit of a joke about it. But, for a few girls in the upper strata (not the majority, by any means, despite what some may think), the demands are serious and one is expected to fulfill them. These girls are generally not with Farang, anyway. So, it's not a problem any of us are likely to face. Rich Thai guys, on the other hand are the ones who really have to deal with it. However, I find that many of the richest girls I know are actually relatively modest to the point of being somewhat cheap. It's the upwardly mobile middle-class girls that Farang have to watch out for.

BTW, Daddy...You and others have predicted my return to P4P. But, it's simply not going to happen, if for no other reason than...(do I have to say this, AGAIN?, YAWN!), I find the girls ugly! Sorry. I just can't help it. I'm sitting at home alone tonight and was contemplating heading over to Cowboy. But, the idea of wasting money on drinks while looking at, what I think are sub-standard girls, just turns me off. If it works for you, then more power to you. It's great that you're having the time of your life. But, you already know that they don't do a thing for me, anymore. I get lambasted for it, time and again. But, it's simply a matter of taste, and there's nothing I can do about it. I got bored with them a long time ago, to the point that I find many of them somewhat repulsive, and that's not about to change.

I would rather just wait for my Gig, who's coming over for a couple of nights this week. Now, she's a real hottie from Northern Thailand, the source of the best looking women in the country (IMO).

I don't want to get into another of these types of discussions. The usual suspects will raise their troglodyte heads and rip into me just for the sake of it. There'll likely be some wank who says..."This is a board about mongering and P4P. If you don't like it, why are you here?" etc. etc....

Someone will pipe in that, "to each his own". More mud-slinging will occur...blah,blah,blah...

You do your thing with your little cuties, as you say, and let me enjoy my little tastes of forbidden fruit.

Terry Terrier
09-13-08, 23:53
I would rather just wait for my Gig, who's coming over for a couple of nights this week. Now, she's a real hottie from Northern Thailand, the source of the best looking women in the country (IMO).

The big problem with the women from Northern Thailand is smoking. It's endemic. And, whilst many of the girls up there are pretty when they are 20, due to the unavoidable effects of the chemicals in cigarette smoke on delicate female skin (combined with a few months of hot sun every year), most of them have faces the texture of a workman's boot long before they reach 30.

Old Thai Hand
09-14-08, 02:38
The big problem with the women from Northern Thailand is smoking. It's endemic. And, whilst many of the girls up there are pretty when they are 20, due to the unavoidable effects of the chemicals in cigarette smoke on delicate female skin (combined with a few months of hot sun every year), most of them have faces the texture of a workman's boot long before they reach 30.

Really? I guess I've been lucky then. I've never met one who smokes, (and I've met many) nor would I date one who does.

"The face like an old boot" and worse, syndrome can apply to most P4P girls. While some might be cute when they're 19, 20, they often look years beyond their age only a few years later. Most have absolutely atrocious skin under all that paint they wear, from working in less-than-healthy environments. It was pointed out to me years ago by a much "Older" Thai Hand that the thing that separated bargirls' appearance from that of regular TGs, more than any other was their skin, describing bargirls' skin as "waxy and vampire-like" after being on the game for awhile. In contrast, he observed that regular TGs can be noted for their freshness and healthy glow. In my experience, what he said has proven to be basically true.

Daddy07
09-14-08, 03:05
...You do your thing with your little cuties, as you say, and let me enjoy my little tastes of forbidden fruit.
Oh, I wouldnít dream of trying to drag you back into the ugly, sleazy world of Pattaya p4p, OTH.

Besides, Iím intrigued by your present situation, and await all the fascinating future reports of your upcoming tour of Paris, Milan, the Isle of Capri, Monaco, and the rest of high society Europe with the GF. Iím sure you can do it fairly cheaply if only you stay away from high priced champagne, haute cuisine, high fashion clothing, and the five star hotels. Will she be satisfied with a bit less than the best? :)

Seriously now, I too find myself once again with yet another golden opportunity to sample life with a good Thai girl. For several months now, Iíve been admiring from afar a tiny, delicate and stunningly beautiful young lady as she walks past my house on her way to work at the local neighborhood restaurant. When I often go there to eat, Iíve done nothing more than smile and be perfectly polite to her, though I admit to having many secret thoughts of stripping her naked and ravaging her lovely young body with my mouth.

Recently, to my complete surprise, my next door neighbor, a gay man, confided to me that this girl has been asking about me incessantly; where am I from, whether I live alone, have a wife, a girlfriend, etc. The next time I saw her I noticed that she was paying particularly close attention to me; looking in my direction, smiling provocatively, and making herself available at my table to chit chat. I suggested that she might like to go to America to visit one day. She replied without hesitation: ďI go with you.Ē I then asked her if she might help me to learn Thai language if I helped her with English, and she eagerly agreed.

Our first Ďdateí consisted of a one hour Thai-English language lesson at my place, followed by a short jaunt on my motorbike to Jomtien beach for some Thai food at an outside stall complex. She told me that she lives down the street from me with her widowed auntie and family. Sheís 21 years old, and, (get this!), has never had a boyfriend, not even a date; never been kissed, not even held hands; and now she wants ME to be her boyfriend. In short, this little Thai girl is as pure and innocent as the driven snow, a virgin, and totally inexperienced in matters of male-female relationships and sex.

Well, I donít mind telling you, it scared the shit out of me! I told her that Iím way too old for her; that I see many ladies -- bar ladies; and it would not be fair to her if I were her boyfriend. She merely nodded and smiled sweetly. Now she calls me every day to ask what Iím doing, and wants to see me. I promised to take her to the beach tomorrow.

And, I have promised myself that I am never going to lay a hand on this pristine baby, but be only a perfect gentleman with her at all times from now on. As much as I would love to fuck the snot out of her, the mere thought of breaking her innocent baby heart makes me sick to my filthy perverted stomach. No, no, no, a thousand times no, I will not do it. I will not try to do it. I cannot do it. I wonít. Itís not right.

P4p for me now; p4p for me tomorrow; p4p for me forever!

Old Thai Hand
09-14-08, 03:21
And, I have promised myself that I am never going to lay a hand on this pristine baby, but be only a perfect gentleman with her at all times from now on. As much as I would love to fuck the snot out of her, the mere thought of breaking her innocent baby heart makes me sick to my filthy perverted stomach. No, no, no, a thousand times no, I will not do it. I will not try to do it. I cannot do it. I wonít. Itís not right.

P4p for me now; p4p for me tomorrow; p4p for me forever!

I agree with you. It wouldn't be fair. What would you possibly have in common? I would bet that she's quite immature. If some TG was calling me everyday, I'd go nuts.

Stick with what you want.

BTW, while your first paragraph is meant to be funny, I still detect some derision in your tone. Why fault me for my choice of having a GF? As it is, I will probably travel with her somewhere because it would be a pleasure. She is a very fun girl. Remember Daddy, you're not even a year in, here...I've been where you are a thousand times. Most of us (not all) who have done what you're doing move on. Some don't because like you, they don't want any sort of committment or entanglement. Both scenarios are valid.

Daddy07
09-14-08, 03:48
...BTW, while your first paragraph is meant to be funny, I still detect some derision in your tone. Why fault me for my choice of having a GF?...
Yes, you are quite right, it was meant only to be funny and to tease you a bit, OTH -- no derision intended, I assure you, sir.

Actually, and I have said this to you before, I envy your relationship, and, of course, wish you all the best. There can be no fault in being in love with a beautiful girl.

Perhaps some fine day I will be trapped. Perhaps tomorrow. :D

Regards,
Daddy

Old Thai Hand
09-14-08, 05:38
Yes, you are quite right, it was meant only to be funny and to tease you a bit, OTH -- no derision intended, I assure you, sir.

Actually, and I have said this to you before, I envy your relationship, and, of course, wish you all the best. There can be no fault in being in love with a beautiful girl.

Perhaps some fine day I will be trapped. Perhaps tomorrow. :D

Regards,
Daddy

There's no need to be trapped, unless you want to be. I chose to find a GF after 2 1/2 years of heavy mongering, and went through a lot of girls before I found the first one, who I was with for 4 years. Then, after that, I had lots more misadventures over 3 years, before finding the current GF, who is an improvement on the first one and a real "keeper" IMO. But, I understand and respect your choice and the freedom it brings.

Member #3428
09-14-08, 05:56
So, Tansak, you should count your lucky stars. ;)

Really... today just have the Gold is down conversation and that we should buy much as it is down... What should I be counting?????

NicFrenchy
09-14-08, 06:07
The big problem with the women from Northern Thailand is smoking.

Really? I have yet to see a non P4P girl smoke in Chiang Mai... all my acquaintances and Staff (women only) are non smoker. I wonder what you base your fact on?

Old Thai Hand
09-14-08, 07:19
Really... today just have the Gold is down conversation and that we should buy much as it is down... What should I be counting?????

:D

Could be worse. She could be with you at Emporium asking you to buy a Prada bag for 65,000 baht. ;)

Member #3428
09-14-08, 07:34
:D

Could be worse. She could be with you at Emporium asking you to buy a Prada bag for 65,000 baht. ;)

Please... Emporium is our BTS stop... we are in that place every day it seems like... Paragon and Graysorn are common places for this Issan girl....

But to be honest... going to Central World and shopping at Espirit / BeeBee or such and spending 5,000 baht in many many clothes blows her mind. She only has two vices.. shoes and perfume really... She must have 40,000 baht in perfume. Every trip in I am doing the duty free for perfume... but that's my gift and what I do for her so I can not complain.

However I do have to shop at some higher end stores for work, and while we are there I like to go to some female higher end shops and watch these sales girls with attitudes be forced to kiss some Issan Ass. :D

Old Thai Hand
09-14-08, 08:32
However I do have to shop at some higher end stores for work, and while we are there I like to go to some female higher end shops and watch these sales girls with attitudes be forced to kiss some Issan Ass. :D

Subversive, aren't we? :D

I'm sure that your poor Isaan GF is better off (because of you) than the salesgirls at Emporium. They may work at Chanel, or Louis Vuitton. But, they're likely still pulling in only 7,000-10,000/month.

Member #3428
09-14-08, 08:56
Subversive, aren't we? :D

I'm sure that your poor Isaan GF is better off (because of you) than the salesgirls at Emporium. They may work at Chanel, or Louis Vuitton. But, they're likely still pulling in only 7,000-10,000/month.

Who me? Subversive? Just because I'm considered a Person of Interest to some countries (not thai) is no reason for name calling ;)

Yes I know what they make.. but it is their attitudes that really kill me. When I walk into a higher end store and they look at me like Farang tourist Scum and only become friendly when they see the purchases it kills me. You can get better customer service at DQ then at many of these stores.

What does goad me at times... if the TGF goes into a store and they won't give her the time of day but they immediately give her service when they see she is with farang... And it's even funnier how these same sales girls who will not wait on the TGF will somehow end up giving me their phone numbers after they see some of the shopping...

So yes I do like to play a few games in return... call me childish... :D

M P Lurker
09-14-08, 08:57
Subversive, aren't we? :D

I'm sure that your poor Isaan GF is better off (because of you) than the salesgirls at Emporium. They may work at Chanel, or Louis Vuitton. But, they're likely still pulling in only 7,000-10,000/month.
I like to pass through emporium to check out the talent rather than buy anything much except food and coffee so I NEVER take the GF there. Its usually before or after an Oily visit.

Terry Terrier
09-14-08, 09:29
Really? I have yet to see a non P4P girl smoke in Chiang Mai... all my acquaintances and Staff (women only) are non smoker. I wonder what you base your fact on?

On seeing people smoking everywhere in the towns. Hua Hin's not far behind, too. Even the monks smoke in the temple at Kao Takiab!

M P Lurker
09-14-08, 10:05
Really? I guess I've been lucky then. I've never met one who smokes, (and I've met many) nor would I date one who does.

"The face like an old boot" and worse, syndrome can apply to most P4P girls. While some might be cute when they're 19, 20, they often look years beyond their age only a few years later. Most have absolutely atrocious skin under all that paint they wear, from working in less-than-healthy environments. It was pointed out to me years ago by a much "Older" Thai Hand that the thing that separated bargirls' appearance from that of regular TGs, more than any other was their skin, describing bargirls' skin as "waxy and vampire-like" after being on the game for awhile. In contrast, he observed that regular TGs can be noted for their freshness and healthy glow. In my experience, what he said has proven to be basically true.
Perhaps the higher class girls hardly smoke and low class ones smoke more.

My favourite bar-girl in Cowboy surprisingly didn't smoke, hardly drinks and was still studying. Now that she has opened a little cafe with friend she has quit the bar (well at least until has no money).
I think she prefers to just hang on to a few of her very best customers, since she really enjoys sex.
She is a pretty good type for a bar girl really.

PinkPearl
09-14-08, 10:20
A few of my BKK P4P SWs have smoked cigs in my room. Some of them were also willing to smoke me wearing a condom. Others just got right on it without asking for permission and sans the cover.

PinkPearl
09-14-08, 10:47
Seriously now, I too find myself once again with yet another golden opportunity to sample life with a good Thai girl. For several months now, Iíve been admiring from afar a tiny, delicate and stunningly beautiful young lady as she walks past my house on her way to work at the local neighborhood restaurant. When I often go there to eat, Iíve done nothing more than smile and be perfectly polite to her, though I admit to having many secret thoughts of stripping her naked and ravaging her lovely young body with my mouth.

Recently, to my complete surprise, my next door neighbor, a gay man, confided to me that this girl has been asking about me incessantly; where am I from, whether I live alone, have a wife, a girlfriend, etc. The next time I saw her I noticed that she was paying particularly close attention to me; looking in my direction, smiling provocatively, and making herself available at my table to chit chat. I suggested that she might like to go to America to visit one day. She replied without hesitation: ďI go with you.Ē I then asked her if she might help me to learn Thai language if I helped her with English, and she eagerly agreed.Not too surprising a story, really. If OTH can get these kind of hot young TGs, anyone can.

I get come ons and looks from regular TGs on a daily basis, whether it's at the hotel, seven elevens, Villa Market or Siam Paragon.

But that kind of girl is not my thing, especially after reading the horror stories on this site. Yet as it has been said by a certain poster who I will not name, to each his own. Some seem to enjoy the bondage of a GF.

Washburn
09-14-08, 15:37
And, I have promised myself that I am never going to lay a hand on this pristine baby, but be only a perfect gentleman with her at all times from now on. As much as I would love to fuck the snot out of her, the mere thought of breaking her innocent baby heart makes me sick to my filthy perverted stomach. No, no, no, a thousand times no, I will not do it. I will not try to do it. I cannot do it. I wonít. Itís not right.



You're right. By taking her innocence you'd be losing the last vestige of your humanity. You'd be taking the first step on a dark, downward path. Don't do it.

PM me her number instead.

1Ball
09-14-08, 16:42
Daddy07, let me ruin her for you. You can have her after I am done with her, and you will therefore have no need to feel guilty.
;)

Or you could marry her, in the hopes she brings her friends along for company on those cold Pattaya nights, or understands you will not change your dirty filthy mongering lifestyle. yeah right.

Daddy07
09-14-08, 17:06
You're right. By taking her innocence you'd be losing the last vestige of your humanity. You'd be taking the first step on a dark, downward path. Don't do it.

PM me her number instead.
Absolutely! If I were to seduce this girl with false promises, I'd not be able to ever look at myself in a mirror again.

As for sending you a PM with her number: NO!

Daddy07
09-14-08, 17:10
Daddy07, let me ruin her for you...
If I ever do 'ruin' her, it will be entirely her idea after I have disclosed my filthy ways in their entirety. If, for example, she someday begs me to teach her sex, how can, as a gentleman, I refuse. :)

1Ball
09-14-08, 17:21
If I ever do 'ruin' her, it will be entirely her idea after I have disclosed my filthy ways in their entirety. If, for example, she someday begs me to teach her sex, how can, as a gentleman, I refuse. :)
You go Daddy, that's the spirit. :D :D :D
And don't forget to post FR and flighty pics if this does happen.

Terry Terrier
09-14-08, 22:35
Perhaps the higher class girls hardly smoke and low class ones smoke more.

My favourite bar-girl in Cowboy surprisingly didn't smoke, hardly drinks and was still studying. Now that she has opened a little cafe with friend she has quit the bar (well at least until has no money).
I think she prefers to just hang on to a few of her very best customers, since she really enjoys sex.
She is a pretty good type for a bar girl really.
The one sure thing about rebel behaviour is that many of it's practical expressions are guaranteed to cross over into mainstream society sooner or later. And so it is in Thai culture: The tats, piercings, swearing, smoking, drinking, etc that were once almost exclusively the domain of bargirls are now crossing over slowly-but-insidiously in varying degrees. The early stage of this sees compartmentalising: You only show your new-found personal liberation to people who you are confident won't be offended by it. After all, this is 'bad behaviour'. Nic, this in no way a dig at you, but you may well wander into a bar off-duty one night to see several of your good girl non-smoking staff puffing away and knocking back the slammers. It's just a symptom of the adolescence of a nation.

NicFrenchy
09-15-08, 03:51
After all, this is 'bad behaviour'. Nic, this in no way a dig at you, but you may well wander into a bar off-duty one night to see several of your good girl non-smoking staff puffing away and knocking back the slammers. It's just a symptom of the adolescence of a nation.

No offence taken ;) , All the male staff smoke but the women don't, I go out with them fairly often and while the guys drink beer and puff away, girls sip on Ice teas and just gossip.

I have however, as you said, seen a rise of Tatoos among my female staff: Lower back and cleavage are the favourite spots. Piercings are starting and a few even have a pierced tongue (I did not check their Labia).

One of my female staff was shocked last week when I made fun of her tatoo, she was proudly showing it to me (some Roman numbers on her arm). I told her I did not like it and that in France, the only things we Tatoo are cows because we can't bother to remember their names. She was shocked and I doubt she comes to show me anything ever again.

Easy2007
09-15-08, 04:01
No offence taken ;)

I have however, as you said, seen a rise of Tatoos among my female staff: Lower back and cleavage are the favourite spots.I have been very interested by the link between women who get tattoos and anal sex.

I find that the percentage of women who have tattoo's who also like anal sex is high, and the percentage of non tattoo women who like anal sex is much lower.

There must be a link.

Has anyone else noticed this link?

NicFrenchy
09-15-08, 04:12
hi Nic

Thanks for the great tips for Camfrog and your guide was very helpful. Could you explain more about the instant mesenger function? Seems like you have to buy gifts and send them before you can message anyone..

At the moment the thing seems like a big tease with the novelty quickly wearing off...

IM (instant messenger) works well to get to know the girls and lurre them into private sex shows but keep one thing in mind: Most girls put themselves in "Privacy" mode so that all the horny wankers on Camfrog can't send them IMs. If they are on Privacy mode, only people in their Friends list can contact them. The trick is to get them interested enough to want to IM you, once they initiate the chat, be nice, funny and they will most likely add you to their friends list.

Camfrog is a Big Tease for a lot of people, but if you know how to play it properly you can get a lot of "dates" out of it. Most Thai guys are only there to pick up girls.
The Key is patience.
If you go to Camfrog to see tits & pussies, then yes, you will get bored quickly, but if you go there to have fun and chat it becomes interesting.

Old Thai Hand
09-15-08, 10:58
No offence taken ;) , All the male staff smoke but the women don't, I go out with them fairly often and while the guys drink beer and puff away, girls sip on Ice teas and just gossip.

I have however, as you said, seen a rise of Tatoos among my female staff: Lower back and cleavage are the favourite spots. Piercings are starting and a few even have a pierced tongue (I did not check their Labia).

One of my female staff was shocked last week when I made fun of her tatoo, she was proudly showing it to me (some Roman numbers on her arm). I told her I did not like it and that in France, the only things we Tatoo are cows because we can't bother to remember their names. She was shocked and I doubt she comes to show me anything ever again.

You have to understand that there is a strong cultural connection in Thailand to tattooing and it really has nothing much to do with social status. Thais from all walks of life get tattoos.

Lots of my very HiSo students have tattoos and my Gig has two - one at the base of the back of her neck and one on her right shoulder. Both are Buddhist tattoos and have deep religious significance, particularly to do with protection. They're called Saak Yant in Thai. The guy that did her tattoos is Ajarn Noo, the same guy who did Angelina Jolie. The girl in the first photo (Ajarn-noo1) has a similar tattoo to my Gig, but on her left shoulder.

To make insensitive remarks about tattoos is a direct slap in the face of Thai culture, so deep-rooted is the tradition. The remark you made to your staff member was highly insulting because I suspect that her tattoo was Saak Yant and probably had to do with 'luck'.

NicFrenchy
09-15-08, 11:26
To make insensitive remarks about tattoos is a direct slap in the face of Thai culture, so deep-rooted is the tradition. The remark you made to your staff member was highly insulting because I suspect that her tattoo was Saak Yant and probably had to do with 'luck'.

No way, I would have not said this if the Tatoo was a buddhist tatoo. It was one of those obnoxious tatoos all farang women get at the lower back.

Old Thai Hand
09-15-08, 12:40
No way, I would have not said this if the Tatoo was a buddhist tatoo. It was one of those obnoxious tatoos all farang women get at the lower back.

what? those wing style tats? Ok, then. That particular tat is SOOOOOOOOOOO LoSo - the mark of a skank. No "good" TG would ever get one of those.

Warbucks
09-15-08, 13:02
I have been very interested by the link between women who get tattoos and anal sex.

I find that the percentage of women who have tattoo's who also like anal sex is high, and the percentage of non tattoo women who like anal sex is much lower.

There must be a link.

Has anyone else noticed this link?


This whole girls with tattoos are tramps or are freaky in bed is getting old. One of sluttiest Thai girls I ever fucked didnít have a mark on her she did have nice personality though. I posted on ISG last year in August

Easy2007
09-15-08, 13:45
You have to understand that there is a strong cultural connection in Thailand to tattooing and it really has nothing much to do with social status. Thais from all walks of life get tattoos.

Lots of my very HiSo students have tattoos and my Gig has two - one at the base of the back of her neck and one on her right shoulder. Both are Buddhist tattoos and have deep religious significance, particularly to do with protection. They're called Saak Yant in Thai. The guy that did her tattoos is Ajarn Noo, the same guy who did Angelina Jolie. The girl in the first photo (Ajarn-noo1) has a similar tattoo to my Gig, but on her left shoulder.

To make insensitive remarks about tattoos is a direct slap in the face of Thai culture, so deep-rooted is the tradition. The remark you made to your staff member was highly insulting because I suspect that her tattoo was Saak Yant and probably had to do with 'luck'.Tattoo's and Thai MEN, yes, there is a strong cultural connection.

Tattoo's and Thai WOMEN, then stop talking crap. How many women over 50 do you see with tattoo's ? Or over 40 ? And you'd stuggle to find many over 30 "Hi So's" sporting tattoo's.

No..........tattoo's on younger girls is more to do with their mental state, than any crap about culture.

Easy2007
09-15-08, 13:49
This whole girls with tattoos are tramps or are freaky in bed is getting old. One of sluttiest Thai girls I ever fucked didnít have a mark on her she did have nice personality though. I posted on ISG last year in AugustWell, I say there is a strong link. Its not exclusive. So no point saying you have fucked a starfish with a tattoo, or a **** without a tattoo, I am talking trends. And the trend I find is that girls with tattoo's, by a ratio of around 5 to 1, will be into anal sex against non-tattoo.

Thai tradition for women is white and pure skin. Not covered in tattoo's, so they have to be a bit "rebellious" in the first place to go against the culture and get a tattoo.

How many adverts on TV do you see with women with white and pure skin? And how many with women with tattoo's?

Fon Tok
09-15-08, 15:27
You have to understand that there is a strong cultural connection in Thailand to tattooing and it really has nothing much to do with social status. Thais from all walks of life get tattoos.
Here's a good website with information about traditional Thai tattoos: http://sak-yant.com/

Old Thai Hand
09-17-08, 15:58
Tattoo's and Thai MEN, yes, there is a strong cultural connection.

Tattoo's and Thai WOMEN, then stop talking crap. How many women over 50 do you see with tattoo's ? Or over 40 ? And you'd stuggle to find many over 30 "Hi So's" sporting tattoo's.

No..........tattoo's on younger girls is more to do with their mental state, than any crap about culture.


Is it just your goal to counter anything I say, regardless of what it is?

I don't know what you do. But, just because you've been here for 20 years doesn't automatically make you an expert on all things Thai, unless you actively do research on the culture.

Do you know anything at all about Thai history? I have researched and continue to do research on all aspects of Thai culture past and present.

I teach aspects of Thai history and culture at university and happen to have given a lecture on this very topic last week.

So, FYI...Tattoos on both men and women go all the way back to Sukhothai in the 14th century. Several female members of Thai royalty and aristocracy have had and continue to have tattoos.

For example, I work with a 30+ professor who is a 'Mom Rajawong' and has a small Buddhist tattoo on her right shoulder. She also told me she has another small one between her shoulder blades just below her neck. I hardly think that a woman, who is of royal blood and working in a prestigious university is rebelling against the culture or her parents.

Often, the tattoos possessed by HiSo women are not visible: the favourite location is the upper back, at the base of the neck or on the right shoulder. They don't generally tattoo legs, arms, stomach, breasts or lower back.

The other significant fact is that because monks cannot touch women, the tattoos can only be done by a lay or ex-monk, such as Ajarn Noo, who was a revered monk, who left the temple, but who is still considered to possess magical powers, and highly sought after by many HiSo Thais for a variety of spritual matters. He is a well-known celebrity and still viewed and respected as a holy man.

I personally have spent several hours with Ajarn Noo. My Gig has 2 tattoos done by him. I was interested in meeting him because at one point, I was going to make a TV documentary about him. One afternoon, several over-30 ++ and quite wealthy women came to make merit, receive amulets, tattoos (both ink and the 'invisible' sesame oil type). One Thai-Chinese businesswoman, with 2 Buddhist tattoos: one at the base of her neck, and another below that, handed him a large stack of 1,000 baht notes.

You can argue with me about politics because that's largely opinion and you're entitled to yours.

But, if you're going to go up against me about Thai culture, you had better know what the hell you're talking about. I would guess in this regard, I might possibly know considerably more than you do, unless you've done considerable research and written scholarly papers on the subject, which somehow, I doubt.

Opebo
09-17-08, 18:13
...I have researched and continue to do research on all aspects of Thai culture past and present.

I teach aspects of Thai history and culture at university and happen to have given a lecture on this very topic last week.

I thought you said your degree was in something 'marketable', OTH? Or maybe they've just got you lecturing outside your field.

M P Lurker
09-17-08, 19:19
Thai tradition for women is white and pure skin. Not covered in tattoo's, so they have to be a bit "rebellious" in the first place to go against the culture and get a tattoo.

My GF trys to be a bit trendy and sexy but not exactly rebellious. So I asked her how come she got a tatoo?

She was young and drunk with other girls who were keen, and so couldn't think any better of it at the time. Many previous girls I have known who had tatoos seemed to give the same story. Was young and drunk and later regretted it.
One even had a lot of laser treatment to try to get rid of it.

So I reckon Tatooing should require a zero alcohol test first before being legal to proceed and have a minimum age (they probably have that already).

I'm not real keen on exaggerated piercings either, being an old fuddy-duddy. Fortunately the GF has set some limits on this. I won't have any studs interfering with my "lickin".

Oosik1
09-17-08, 20:27
Mick--I must agree wholeheartedly. If a "valid" alcohol test would be required, many fewer people, men and women, would have fewer tattoos. Body piercings and tattoos cheapen a woman. Women are quite beautiful enough without adornments, and I don't want my teeth chipped by a damned clit stud either. I have a policy of not hiring anyone with tattoos showing.

Old Thai Hand
09-18-08, 01:05
I thought you said your degree was in something 'marketable', OTH? Or maybe they've just got you lecturing outside your field.

Well, history and culture connect to my main field of expertise, which is design. Afterall, many things integrate in the applied arts field.

But, I have a very eclectic background and have taught over 40 different courses in a variety of fields including business, mass media, fine arts and law. I currently teach in 3 different faculties.


That's why I am marketable.

Old Thai Hand
09-18-08, 01:12
My GF trys to be a bit trendy and sexy but not exactly rebellious. So I asked her how come she got a tatoo?

She was young and drunk with other girls who were keen, and so couldn't think any better of it at the time. Many previous girls I have known who had tatoos seemed to give the same story. Was young and drunk and later regretted it.
One even had a lot of laser treatment to try to get rid of it.

So I reckon Tatooing should require a zero alcohol test first before being legal to proceed and have a minimum age (they probably have that already).

I'm not real keen on exaggerated piercings either, being an old fuddy-duddy. Fortunately the GF has set some limits on this. I won't have any studs interfering with my "lickin".

There are tattoos and then there are tattoos.

I wasn't talking about the type of popular tattoos that one would get possibly as a result of imbibing too much alcohol: i.e. those ridiculous Celtic wingie things that a lot of BGs get above their butts, or hearts, butterflies, names of BFs or any other stupid flight of fancy.

Buddhist tattoos, on the other hand are a very serious matter and the interest in them across the whole population has been on the rise, again for some time and directly connects to more interest in Thai traditions as a result of historical dramas such as Suryothai, Khun Pan and Naresuan. They are one result of increased nationalism and overall uncertainty about the state of things.

Retired Army
09-18-08, 04:42
There are tattoos and then there are tattoos.

Buddhist tattoos, on the other hand are a very serious matter and the interest in them across the whole population has been on the rise, again for some time and directly connects to more interest in Thai traditions as a result of historical dramas such as Suryothai, Khun Pan and Naresuan. They are one result of increased nationalism and overall uncertainty about the state of things.


Yeah, but aren't these the same people who believe that a tattoo will protect them from evil spirits, motorcycle accidents and bullets?

NicFrenchy
09-18-08, 07:00
Yeah, but aren't these the same people who believe that a tattoo will protect them from evil spirits, motorcycle accidents and bullets?

Yes, that's what those Buddhist Tatoos are about I think

Old Thai Hand
09-18-08, 10:58
Yeah, but aren't these the same people who believe that a tattoo will protect them from evil spirits, motorcycle accidents and bullets?

Well, yes. That's the whole point. Thais are among the most superstitious people in the world: most of them believe in magic, evil spirits and above all, ghosts. There are more ghosts in the Thai belief system than probably any other culture in the world.

Have you ever looked at the inside of the front of a taxi cab? The ceiling has Buddhist chants, there are garlands hanging from the mirror to appease the gods, there are often amulets and a Buddha on the dashboard. All of this is to protect the driver.

If there happens to be a statue of Ganesh, it's there to bring the driver prosperity.


Anyway, I think we should either move this discussion or dump it. It doesn't belong here.

NicFrenchy
09-19-08, 07:37
Another reason not to date thai women.. Need I say more? See for yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMfPyyIHob0&feature=related

NicFrenchy
09-19-08, 08:50
So, for you who are on AFF, you might already know this girl.
Reading her introduction reallt cracked me up!

I have attached is as a picture.

At least, she's honest.

Old Thai Hand
09-19-08, 09:11
Another reason not to date thai women.. Need I say more? See for yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMfPyyIHob0&feature=related


Have you looked at the other videos about dating thai women? Some are quite funny.

Old Thai Hand
09-19-08, 09:14
Another reason not to date thai women.. Need I say more? See for yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMfPyyIHob0&feature=related


Have you looked at the other videos about dating thai women? Some are quite funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vxz_LPVt34&feature=related

Old Thai Hand
09-19-08, 09:16
Another reason not to date thai women.. Need I say more? See for yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMfPyyIHob0&feature=related


Have you looked at the other videos about dating Thai women? Some are quite funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vxz_LPVt34&feature=related

Lover Boy #2
09-20-08, 09:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV0y53yhQFo&NR=1

Terry Terrier
09-21-08, 00:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV0y53yhQFo&NR=1
What A lovely Scouser! Who could ever imagine having to look over one's shoulder at a wide person from Liverpool, thinking you've won the lottery. Whatever next?

Member #3428
09-21-08, 20:22
Iím sure Iíll get flamed for this but I donít give a damn. A very nice lady got fucked over and it isnít right. Not sure where to post this but there is a lovely lady in BKK (and many of us know her) who has screwed up her life because of a fellow punter out there. This reminds me a warning that Giotto posted someplace about the rules of mongering and what is right and what is not right when it comes to dealing with the girls, and what happened here I donít think is right.

Thereís this girl who was very popular in her job, made a lot of money, many punters liked her and treated her like a lady, travelled with her, and other punters who never had sex with her, myself included, treated her like a kid sister at times. Unfortunately she fell for a guy and the guy was married with children. But true love, he loves her, and she loves him. So after a while of heart breaks and tears she decides that she loves this man and he wants her to stop going other customers so she stops work. He says that since he has wife and child he can support her little and that is OK because she truly loves this man and he loves her. After a month or two of using her savings to survive she finally finds a job that pays a whole 7,000 baht.

7,000 baht working a regular job, when she could make 20,000 baht a week in her old job with many guys who watched out for her, took her travel, and honestly cared about this lady but were honest enough to not tell her stories and promise her items that would not come true. But she loves this man and this man would help support her little and this would all be OK because he loves her and she loves him. Two weeks into her job she finds out this man comes to BKK and he does not like that fact that his girl needs to work 10 hour days in regular job and does not have full time available for him. Plus he tells her that since he has wife and child he does not think he can pay her even little all the time and she should find job that pays as much as she made when she used to work in the bar, without of course going with other men. So this girl who left a very high paying position where she had an established client list and an establish position in the hierarchy of the bar, is now supposed to go out and find a job that pays 60 K baht a month or more and one that allows her to take time off to go with the man she loves when he wants and she is not supposed to go with other men, and if she doesnít do all of this then obviously she does not love this man.

The girl even told family about this man and how she love and how he loves her. Now this girl is left working 10 hour days, making 7,000 baht a month, stopped her old work, told family all about her new love and how her new life would be, only to have lost face with everyone. I am told that she threw out her old phone sim and all contact info on past clients (can never be sure but I tend to believe her). ButÖ she is determined not to go back to the bars for which I applaud her, but I am not sure she will survive without going back to a bar, if not the old bar then a bar, or to find another sponsor. And this will be a big loss of face. Personally I just hope she goes back to her village and leaves this all behind. This is the type of girl that deserves a nice guy and through bad judgment probably will never end up with a good guy.

What I donít like is how as mongers many of us can sit around and call these girls sluts or *****s or such and say how bad they treat us or try to cheat us or such.. when in reality there are many more punters who treat the girls like shit. Maybe some of the girls are lying ***** scum but there are many ladies out there that donít deserve to be treated like street urchin. Each girl out there who works P4P probably has a similar story that makes them how they are. So try to remember this next time you take a girl out.

On the other side of the coin, in my own personal situation, I know for a fact a girl I used to see who emails and calls me all the time and swears she still loves me is now marrying a guy from America, about 35 years older then her, he pays for her and her family, but she still wants to meet me every chance she gets (no money involved) even if she knows I have a new TGF and she swears she is being true to this other guy. She says she does not love him but will marry him and be good to him (while she is screwing me but I believe she is not screwing others) because he supports mom and family. She says her body belongs to mom and family, and it is only her body that this man is touching and having. She says her mind and heart belong to mom and family, and that yes I am still in her heart. He will never be in her heart and mind he will only have her body which she does not care. She even busses down to BKK when I am in town to meet me, and is wanting one last romp before she heads off to America. Her excuse and justification, it is better to marry a guy who will support her family then to fall in love with a bastard (obviously me) who was not willing to love her forever (atleast I was honest to her). And I canít blame her and still think this guy from America is getting one hell of a bargain even if she is cheating on him.

So who is the bigger ***** or bastard, the girl who is marrying a guy because he supports the family even if she is willing to screw around with an ex friend (lover) or a guy who ruins a girls life by telling her to stop work and change her life only to dump her on the side of the soi? I think there is a larger collection of bastards in us mongers then there is a collection of bitches in the girls who do P4P. Or maybe I should stop the drinking and forget this shitÖ it is just wrong when a girl who is nice is hurt and treated like pond scum by some bastard. Is this what makes some of your dicks get hard? To try to get a girl to love you only to break her down and dump her and leave her?

And the funny thing isÖ this bastard is an ISG memberÖ.

Piper1
09-21-08, 20:34
... I think there is a larger collection of bastards in us mongers then there is a collection of bitches in the girls who do P4P. Or maybe I should stop the drinking and forget this shit.Tanzak - a sad but familiar story, and I'm sure it happens to hundreds every year, all around the world.

PS - I thought you were a non-drinker.

Member #3428
09-21-08, 20:38
Tanzak - a sad but familiar story, and I'm sure it happens to hundreds every year, all around the world.

PS - I thought you were a non-drinker.

I spike my green tea with protein powder now and then :D

I just want the bastard to read this report, I know him and others do too, turns out to be a real slim ball.

Oosik1
09-21-08, 20:49
Very well put Tansak KTV.

Warbucks
09-22-08, 06:04
Iím sure Iíll get flamed for this but I donít give a damn. A very nice lady got fucked over and it isnít right. Not sure where to post this but there is a lovely lady in BKK (and many of us know her) who has screwed up her life because of a fellow punter out there. This reminds me a warning that Giotto posted someplace about the rules of mongering and what is right and what is not right when it comes to dealing with the girls, and what happened here I donít think is right.

So who is the bigger ***** or bastard, the girl who is marrying a guy because he supports the family even if she is willing to screw around with an ex friend (lover) or a guy who ruins a girls life by telling her to stop work and change her life only to dump her on the side of the soi? I think there is a larger collection of bastards in us mongers then there is a collection of bitches in the girls who do P4P. Or maybe I should stop the drinking and forget this shitÖ it is just wrong when a girl who is nice is hurt and treated like pond scum by some bastard. Is this what makes some of your dicks get hard? To try to get a girl to love you only to break her down and dump her and leave her?

And the funny thing isÖ this bastard is an ISG memberÖ.


Personally I wouldnít go through all this trouble for a piece of ass but... Donít like to stereotype but I watched Japanese guys do it to unsuspecting Filipinas in Japan damn near every day. ďI am going to marry you, take care of you, give you a visa, blah blah blah you smell what I am cooking?

I would get burned under the collar because I knew most of the time the guys were full of shit but what can you do? Also just because you are open and honest with these ladies of the third world do you really think they one hundred percent understand what you are saying. Telling a Thai or Filipina I am not looking for anything serious which roughly means I just want to fuck you for a while and run away they still hope beyond hope that you might change your mind.

I remember back in my military days telling American girls that and they would flat out say I am not looking for anything serious either. Most western women get the picture clearly. SE Asia ďbreeziesĒ on the other hand no matter how much you dumb it down they just donít get it. I remember a Thai girl coming into bar in Pattaya and kicking my partner in the back while he was dancing with another girl spilling his drink yelling at him saying he was a butterfly only after they spent one night together LOLÖ.Just one example of many. The more I hang around SE Asia the more the women seem like childrenÖ.

Second thing is we donít know his side of the story maybe he did feel for her and wanted to be with her and then changed his mind or maybe it was just lust. He could have had malice intent or could have just fallen for the charms of Asia and then woke the fuck up. We may never know.

M P Lurker
09-22-08, 07:12
Personally I wouldnít go through all this trouble for a piece of ass but... Donít like to stereotype but I watched Japanese guys do it to unsuspecting Filipinas in Japan damn near every day. ďI am going to marry you, take care of you, give you a visa, blah blah blah you smell what I am cooking?

Second thing is we donít know his side of the story maybe he did feel for her and wanted to be with her and then changed his mind or maybe it was just lust. He could have had malice intent or could have just fallen for the charms of Asia and then woke the fuck up. We may never know.

I am told by a reliable source who has lived in Japan for a few years that most Japanese guys are very selfish.

On the other topic, I tend to be very careful with bargirl newbie types these days. It is known that they can get very stuck-on or possessive of guys very easily.
One of the very first bar-girls I ever went with had never met a guy that treated her well, and found it very difficult to accept that I would move on, and that perhaps she would meet a lot of arseholes in between the odd nice guy.

As I don't wish to lead girls on, I always make it clear that I have a GF already, and that I could not be the BF of someone so young anyway etc.
Its always easier in the end to be an honest butterfly rather than a bullshit artist. I would never like to lead on a girl of good character and meddle with her future.

NicFrenchy
09-22-08, 08:19
As I don't wish to lead girls on, I always make it clear that I have a GF already, and that I could not be the BF of someone so young anyway etc.
Its always easier in the end to be an honest butterfly rather than a bullshit artist. I would never like to lead on a girl of good character and meddle with her future.

Yes, yes this is one of the things I really have to work on LOL but in my defence, my GF(s) (or Giks) are not P4P so I guess I am not really screwing too much with their future. Does that make me a hopeless romantic?

Jungle Bluebird
09-22-08, 12:43
Sorry..Tansak, you lost me here.

A guy convinces a pro to stop fucking for money and - probably - for the first time in her life - start doing a real job. What is wrong with that?

As per your logic all Thai women right now having a proper job should start hooking, coz it pays more?

LB






Iím sure Iíll get flamed for this but I donít give a damn. A very nice lady got fucked over and it isnít right. Not sure where to post this but there is a lovely lady in BKK (and many of us know her) who has screwed up her life because of a fellow punter out there. This reminds me a warning that Giotto posted someplace about the rules of mongering and what is right and what is not right when it comes to dealing with the girls, and what happened here I donít think is right.

Thereís this girl who was very popular in her job, made a lot of money, many punters liked her and treated her like a lady, travelled with her, and other punters who never had sex with her, myself included, treated her like a kid sister at times. Unfortunately she fell for a guy and the guy was married with children. But true love, he loves her, and she loves him. So after a while of heart breaks and tears she decides that she loves this man and he wants her to stop going other customers so she stops work. He says that since he has wife and child he can support her little and that is OK because she truly loves this man and he loves her. After a month or two of using her savings to survive she finally finds a job that pays a whole 7,000 baht.

7,000 baht working a regular job, when she could make 20,000 baht a week in her old job with many guys who watched out for her, took her travel, and honestly cared about this lady but were honest enough to not tell her stories and promise her items that would not come true. But she loves this man and this man would help support her little and this would all be OK because he loves her and she loves him. Two weeks into her job she finds out this man comes to BKK and he does not like that fact that his girl needs to work 10 hour days in regular job and does not have full time available for him. Plus he tells her that since he has wife and child he does not think he can pay her even little all the time and she should find job that pays as much as she made when she used to work in the bar, without of course going with other men. So this girl who left a very high paying position where she had an established client list and an establish position in the hierarchy of the bar, is now supposed to go out and find a job that pays 60 K baht a month or more and one that allows her to take time off to go with the man she loves when he wants and she is not supposed to go with other men, and if she doesnít do all of this then obviously she does not love this man.

The girl even told family about this man and how she love and how he loves her. Now this girl is left working 10 hour days, making 7,000 baht a month, stopped her old work, told family all about her new love and how her new life would be, only to have lost face with everyone. I am told that she threw out her old phone sim and all contact info on past clients (can never be sure but I tend to believe her). ButÖ she is determined not to go back to the bars for which I applaud her, but I am not sure she will survive without going back to a bar, if not the old bar then a bar, or to find another sponsor. And this will be a big loss of face. Personally I just hope she goes back to her village and leaves this all behind. This is the type of girl that deserves a nice guy and through bad judgment probably will never end up with a good guy.

What I donít like is how as mongers many of us can sit around and call these girls sluts or *****s or such and say how bad they treat us or try to cheat us or such.. when in reality there are many more punters who treat the girls like shit. Maybe some of the girls are lying ***** scum but there are many ladies out there that donít deserve to be treated like street urchin. Each girl out there who works P4P probably has a similar story that makes them how they are. So try to remember this next time you take a girl out.

On the other side of the coin, in my own personal situation, I know for a fact a girl I used to see who emails and calls me all the time and swears she still loves me is now marrying a guy from America, about 35 years older then her, he pays for her and her family, but she still wants to meet me every chance she gets (no money involved) even if she knows I have a new TGF and she swears she is being true to this other guy. She says she does not love him but will marry him and be good to him (while she is screwing me but I believe she is not screwing others) because he supports mom and family. She says her body belongs to mom and family, and it is only her body that this man is touching and having. She says her mind and heart belong to mom and family, and that yes I am still in her heart. He will never be in her heart and mind he will only have her body which she does not care. She even busses down to BKK when I am in town to meet me, and is wanting one last romp before she heads off to America. Her excuse and justification, it is better to marry a guy who will support her family then to fall in love with a bastard (obviously me) who was not willing to love her forever (atleast I was honest to her). And I canít blame her and still think this guy from America is getting one hell of a bargain even if she is cheating on him.

So who is the bigger ***** or bastard, the girl who is marrying a guy because he supports the family even if she is willing to screw around with an ex friend (lover) or a guy who ruins a girls life by telling her to stop work and change her life only to dump her on the side of the soi? I think there is a larger collection of bastards in us mongers then there is a collection of bitches in the girls who do P4P. Or maybe I should stop the drinking and forget this shitÖ it is just wrong when a girl who is nice is hurt and treated like pond scum by some bastard. Is this what makes some of your dicks get hard? To try to get a girl to love you only to break her down and dump her and leave her?

And the funny thing isÖ this bastard is an ISG memberÖ.

M P Lurker
09-22-08, 14:22
As per your logic all Thai women right now having a proper job should start hooking, coz it pays more?

LB
I take the job the pays best. Why shouldn't she? She quits her job because he wants her to and rthen he dumps her. Are you starting to get the drift?

Providing a great sex service is a well paid job because there is good demand. Bar girls who get to high enough status can pick and choose their customers too. They don't have to fuck just anybody.

Opebo
09-22-08, 17:37
Providing a great sex service is a well paid job because there is good demand.

True. Also because, alas, there is a very restricted supply due to the stigma attached to prostitution.

Member #3428
09-22-08, 17:43
Sorry..Tansak, you lost me here.

A guy convinces a pro to stop fucking for money and - probably - for the first time in her life - start doing a real job. What is wrong with that?

As per your logic all Thai women right now having a proper job should start hooking, coz it pays more?

LB

For some guys it is a game to get a girl to fall for them and get her to commit 100% to them and only them then the game is over for them and they dump them as it is no more of a challenge. This is wrong. I never said the girl should go back hooking... I hope she doesn't but we'll see if she can do it or not.

It took him over 9 months to work on this girl and then when he has her he dumps her. He did not convince her to stop hooking and get a regular job, he convinced her that he would support her and take care of her and love her forever, start a family and the whole nine yards. And when she gave that to him he dumped her.

I expected some folks not to understand or agree, but when you start messing with peoples lives because of ego or a sport or a game then it becomes wrong.

Giotto
09-22-08, 18:05
...
I expected some folks not to understand or agree, but when you start messing with peoples lives because of ego or a sport or a game then it becomes wrong.Tansak KTV,

I am quite surprised that you obviously find this story unusual. I hear many of those stories.

The latest one (from yesterday):

I was offered a car. Toyota Camry (does that thing exist? I am not sure). Bought 1 year ago for 1,600,000.

Owner of the car is a Thai woman who works in our bar since some days. Her boyfriend (Farang) did not like her old small car any more. She stayed with this boyfriend for years. She sold the old car for THB 470,000 and bought the new one (taking a bank credit for the rest amount). She had the new car for about 5 months when he dumped her. He left her without taking care of anything...

Now she is back in the bar. She had no choice.


Giotto

Member #3428
09-22-08, 18:12
I am quite surprised that you obviously find this story unusual. I hear many of those stories.

Not unusual, just wrong. I get tired of mongers saying how bad the girls are all the time when in fact many of the punters are just as bad.

Giotto
09-22-08, 18:33
Not unusual, just wrong. I get tired of mongers saying how bad the girls are all the time when in fact many of the punters are just as bad.Tansak KTV,

It's a downwards spiral. New mongers get ripped off from experienced bar girls. Bar girls new in the business experience the "instability" of farangs in relationships and trust farang less and less.

I wrote many times about that. It's all about trust ... :) - and being trustworthy. And - for us farang - to take over responsibility, even if a relationship does not work out.

There are many arseholes out there. Definitely!


Giotto

Member #3428
09-22-08, 18:39
I wrote many times about that. It's all about trust ... :) - and being trustworthy. And - for us farang - to take over responsibility, even if a relationship does not work out.

There are many arseholes out there. Definitely!

Yup, I got that one for sure, responsibility even when you get shafted... or trying to work out differences after problems... Sucks...

And yup there sure are arseholes out there, myself included :D Just ask 1Ball

M P Lurker
09-22-08, 21:14
Yup, I got that one for sure, responsibility even when you get shafted... or trying to work out differences after problems... Sucks...

And yup there sure are arseholes out there, myself included :D Just ask 1Ball

The world is full of shafters and shaftees, but its not always totally clear cut. So I prefer not to judge someone when I don't really know what happened.

I have long given up giving any girl false hopes. I always admit I have a GF if they close enough that they would want to know and even before that. It takes a lot for me to dump a girl but in the end it has to happen if the reasons are strong enough.

We do not support every ex-GF we ever had.

But leaving her with nothing is clearly arsehole behaviour. But there are a lot of pepole who want to be the shafter rather than the shaftee. Some of us "nice guys" are destined to be the shaftees.

1Ball
09-23-08, 01:07
And yup there sure are arseholes out there, myself included :D Just ask 1Ball
No arseholes, Tansak, just assholes.

Jungle Bluebird
09-23-08, 03:57
Not so. A girl in a bar or MP, yes, needs to fuck anybody walking through the door. Now I understand that we all consider ourselves decent, clean and respect paying individuals etc. etc.. (the usual bla bla bla)

Fact is though that these girls are there for a reason. 1.) they dumb as shit and 2.) they are lazy. How these girls can fuck everyday the sleaziest dirtiest buggers coming through the door escapes me.

Plus... the whole hooker scene is a doggy dog world. It's highly predatory and abusive and its 100% abt money.

Tansak surely feels somewhat emotional tied to this issue, but hey, if the girls donít rip of their clients, guys surely take advantage of the weak nature of the girl. Only normal... we are animals after all.

JB




....They don't have to fuck just anybody...

Opebo
09-23-08, 09:52
Fact is though that these girls are there for a reason. 1.) they dumb as shit and 2.) they are lazy.

No, they are not dumb and certainly not lazy - they are working class people. They are poor, with no power, and thus must toil.


How these girls can fuck everyday the sleaziest dirtiest buggers coming through the door escapes me.

It is no different from cooking or cleaning floors all day, or working in a factory. In fact it is much more pleasant, as of course the vast majority of punters are clean and reasonable people.


Plus... the whole hooker scene is a doggy dog world. It's highly predatory and abusive and its 100% abt money.

You just described every job, and our entire miserable capitalist world, JB. (Btw, the aphorism is a 'dog-eat-dog' world, not doggy-dog).

Daddy07
09-23-08, 10:12
...our entire miserable capitalist world,...
Pardon my straying from the purpose of this thread, but I just can't let this one go by without comment ...

Opebo, my friend, there is a wonderful place in this world where the economy is planned and run by super smart people just like you who understand exactly what each individual in society needs and deserves, and who should do what and where for his living. That place is Cuba. No miserable capitalism there.

And, if you were a citizen there, you probably wouldn't be getting laid because you, like almost every one else, (except the exhalted leaders, of course), couldn't afford the cost.

Opebo
09-23-08, 11:12
I think we're allowed some leeway for give-and-take on an 'opinions and advice' thread, so I will indulge:


...you, like almost every one else, (except the exhalted leaders, of course), couldn't afford the cost.

I can't afford it much now, daddeo! And I can assure you the exhalted leaders of our capitalist society (the owning class) can afford a lot more than I. I think perhaps you have accepted some propaganda that masks the hierarchical nature of our system.

Daddy07
09-23-08, 11:31
...I think perhaps you have accepted some propaganda that masks the hierarchical nature of our system.
The nature of existence is hierarchical, and my consciousness has been self trained to accept only reason. Were it not for a mostly freemarket system in Thailand, I repeat: you wouldn't be getting laid by its sex workers.

Jungle Bluebird
09-23-08, 13:02
i for one like my job and i like to work. i consider it creative and money is merely the yardstick of my success.

however, even cleaning floors I consider better than having some dirty old dick stuck in their face. truth is, as you well know, most working girls have been victims of abuse from early on. they do anything for money.

and as you probably also well know the smile and easy going nature of Thai pros only hides all the shit experiences underneath.

keep an eye open for the cigarette burn marks on their back, the scars from self inflicted abuse etc..

Mind you - I am guilty just as anyone taking advantage of the ample supply of sweet hearts in this country. Figure though, they only have themselves to blame.

JB



...You just described every job, and our entire miserable capitalist world...

Terry Terrier
09-23-08, 23:58
truth is, as you well know, most working girls have been victims of abuse from early on. they do anything for money.

Huh? Where is this well known? And where does the association between being sexually abused at an early age and doing anything for money come from?

Jungle Bluebird
09-24-08, 03:32
ok, you got me there.. :-)

forgot to to add the break..

JB



Huh? Where is this well known? And where does the association between being sexually abused at an early age and doing anything for money come from?

Piper1
09-25-08, 09:21
(I wasn't sure which Thailand thread to post this. Maybe the "safe-sex thread" would be better, as webcam sex is relatively safe. ;))
____

Research: Cybersex users show high depression rates.

"... Most concerning was the high rate of poor mental health among the sample group. We found that 27 per cent of them were moderate to severely depressed on the standard depression scales. Thirty per cent had high levels of anxiety and 35 per cent were moderately to severely stressed, which is of course extremely high. The more heavily they engaged in online sexual activity the higher their level of depression and anxiety was, he said.

It was possible these rates were high because the men were spending so much time online and not engaging with people socially."

http://www.news.com.au/technology/s...5014239,00.html

So guys, throw away those webcams and the baby-oil, and get out of the house for some real-life shagging!

Opebo
09-25-08, 10:36
The nature of existence is hierarchical, and my consciousness has been self trained to accept only reason. Were it not for a mostly freemarket system in Thailand, I repeat: you wouldn't be getting laid by its sex workers.

I certainly agree that the system is what forces working people to toil for their betters (whether literally on their knees or only metaphorically), but I find it ironic that anyone would use the adjective 'free' about it.


however, even cleaning floors I consider better than having some dirty old dick stuck in their face.

Seriously? I would consider the dick/face thing to be far less onerous considering the brevity of the efforts involved and the much higher rate of pay.


truth is, as you well know, most working girls have been victims of abuse from early on. they do anything for money.

Of course they have - they are working class people, and female. And perhaps these experiences make them more likely to disregard the social stigma incurred by prostituting. Their reasons could be 'poor self esteem' or a variety of others, but none of this changes the fact that the social stigma is, in the first place, nothing more than bigotry.

Piper1
09-25-08, 10:54
Seriously? I would consider the dick/face thing ...Opebo, would you seriously consider it? Ouch. I can deal with the mental image of you on your knees cleaning floors, but not with the image of you on your knees doing the alternative toil, even if it's less onerous, a quick job, and pays better.

Opebo
09-25-08, 11:16
Opebo, would you seriously consider it? Ouch. I can deal with the mental image of you on your knees cleaning floors, but not with the image of you on your knees doing the alternative toil, even if it's less onerous and pays better.

Haha, obviously I was putting myself in the shoes of the persons under discussion - Thai women. As for me the idea of anyone paying for my sexual services is, well, pretty laughable.

Jungle Bluebird
09-25-08, 12:01
giving oral to a 55 something huge German women with facial and leg hair - which length qualifies for dental floss - possible extremely smelly, stinking of sweat from all day Bangkok excursions, who then moans and groans like a pig... all that is preferable to cleaning floors?

sorry.. i rather clean floors.

JB



Seriously? I would consider the dick/face thing to be far less onerous considering the brevity of the efforts involved and the much higher rate of pay.

M P Lurker
09-25-08, 12:57
giving oral to a 55 something huge German women with facial and leg hair - which length qualifies for dental floss - possible extremely smelly, stinking of sweat from all day Bangkok excursions, who then moans and groans like a pig... all that is preferable to cleaning floors?

sorry.. i rather clean floors.

JB
O.K. you got me there! If the good looking chicks from Germany also wanted service, that would be a bit different.

But remember we must go to where the money is.
If doing the floors pays one tenth of the money, then it is not worth considering.

Run Mann
10-14-08, 08:50
I was in PI last year and i felt that alot of the locals lied alot. If you know how to approach Thais they are extremly honest and forgiving.
Funny! You did write "Thais" are extremely honest right? I guess the exception is when Thais lie to save face, or maybe they only lie to Falangs, or maybe only the lo-so Thai are dishonest. How about the infamous Thai scams or the (insert sarcasm) extremely honest Thai Government leaders who are always looking out for the welfare of their people? You need to enlighten us on how to approach them so they can be honest with us.

"Extremely Honest?" Come on, there are very few cultures, if any those two words can honestly be applied to and Thai culture is not one of them.
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Warbucks
10-14-08, 09:27
For the most part Hi-So Thais will be polite to farang but want nothing to do with them. Hi-So Thais are basically a closed knit society that marry each other perpetuating a type of caste system. Yor chances are next to nil.
Exactly and the way they tend to look down on all people even their own. I had Hi-SO Thai friend who told me Isaan people are bad. Thatís like me saying black people from New York/LA are bad WTF? Filipinos look down on dark skin people also but not with the utter disgust and contempt found in Thailand.

Your comparision of Fily Thai should be from Filipean experiance only and not LA or Dubai otherwise talk about Thais you know in LA or Seatle. I think alot of people take on personal preferances. I was in PI last year and i felt that alot of the locals lied alot. If you know how to approach Thais they are extremly honest and forgiving. Also i would say PI is more dangerous with alot of guns.
Ok. Yes I am biased because I simply know more Filipinos from all walks of life. You felt the locals in PI lied a lot what type of Filipinos were you around? The hookers/taxi drivers? The Thai version of this is exceedingly dishonest also. Had one Thai taxi driver try to rip me last night 150 Baht. Its small money but itís the principle. I dropped 20,000 Pesos $500 last December in Boracay. A Filipina came running in her flip flops to return it to as I walked away. I lost a $500 ring in Thailand back in 06 in a bathroom all Thai around claiming they didnít see it which I know was bullshit. I also have had co-workers leave stuff in hotel rooms in Thailand and had it returned.

Yes the Philippines is more dangerous then Thailand. Any fool can see that but I have been going to PI for the last 4 years and now have a beautiful home there. Have never had any problems. I donít wear my jewelry there though as I do in Thailand for obvious reasons. I walk down the street late at night at and never been robbed or anything got chased by some stray dogs but that was about it :)


I think Thais are more beautiful. PI is in a worst economic situation and people are more desparate. Food is better and more plentifull in Thailand.

I have to agree I think Thai girls in general are more beautiful. Itís been fun watching the Thais speak Thai to my Filipina girlfriend this last trip. Yes the economic situation is direr in PI but I have found the Thais no less money hungry.

Fili's sing better and have broader range in musical tastes but may have some sexual issues due to Catholism. English is used by Fili's where as in Thailand your best suited to learn to speak the language they call Thai. It has 5 tones and long and short vowels. Its not an easy language to learn well. The only thing you need to learn in Fili is to pronounce your F's with a P i.e. Pipty one pipty two. Fili's are more hot tempered. I have been told they are more passionate aswell. I cant validate that but am willing to beleive it. I have found some very passionate Thais including tantric sex. Local people in Thailand are more mild mannered.

Yes that Catholic religion does hinder Filipinas in the sack a bit. But if you ever catch one those true blue sluts who hang out in Angeles buckle your damn seat belt bruh :D also about passion if you really get a Filipina that loves you man there is nothing she wonít do to satisfy you ďTRUST MEĒ I have to agree again that the Thais are more mild mannered but the way they treat foreigners especially the non-white variety that kills it all for me. I have seen racism and xenophobia from Filipinos also but in this race Thais are Usain Bolt from the Olympics and the Filipinos are Rosie OíDonnell and for me that more than makes up for everything.

Member #3428
10-14-08, 17:12
You felt the locals in PI lied a lot what type of Filipinos were you around?

Not going to quote the entire report here.. but I'll chime in. And it's all subjective on who you meet. I travel through Manila and BKK often for many years now.

PI and Thai are very different ladies from the way they live to the way they screw. PI it is so very easy to pick up non pro's, average every day girls, students, nurses, unemployed etc... Go to CB and you'll have a long list of girls. I don't think Catholic enters into the picture too much as even if they are Catholic they still screw like rabbits. Even picking up girls from malls / work / food courts is a piece of cake in MNL whereas good luck doing that in BKK. It's much easier in MNL as they speak english whereas in BKK they hardly speak basic foreign words. So for english speaking mates, it's easier in MNL.

Honest and safe... it's no contest that thai is safer then PI even with the demonstrations going on thai wins hands down. Honesty.. that's hard as I think Filipino's would stab you in the back at the drop of a peso but Filipina's when you get to know them would die for you, where as a Thai would just go back home or to a bar or job or other guy etc... Filipina's wear their hearts on their sleeves more then thai's do, Thai's are more reserved. Filipina's speak their feelings where as Thai's don't seem to talk much from the heart. Thai's seem to keep things inside more. My TGF still keeps things inside where as a girl from MNL who I barely know tells all.

Racism... don't see racism at all in MNL but do see it in BKK. Sure there are separate groups and discrimination in MNL but not like you see in LOS, IMHO. Work and doing business, much rather do work and business in LOS then in Philippines, just the entire system is much easier for what I do there then in MNL however I do more work out of MNL then I do in LOS. One minute it is 10,000 peso in MNL the next minute they say sorry that there was price increase now it is double... in LOS what is quoted is what they stay with. So this get's back to the type of people they are, take nothing at face value in MNL IMHO.

Sex, the important part... I find that sex for me is better in BKK then in MNL even with girls I've known for a long time in MNL. And there are girls that would do anything for me in MNL however there are some girls in BKK that would do anything for me also and do do everything. So on that regard, when a girl in BKK loves you, you can get anything you want. TRUST ME on this... you can get Thai girls to do whatever you want, just like Filipina's. Easier to get Filipina's to do everything but when you get a thai who will do everything it is very good.

Filipina's are more fatalistic IMHO. I had a girl I saw join a work group and move to America to show me how much she loves me and only me. The girl signed a two year work contract to work at McDonalds in the USA just to try to show me how much she loved me. If you get to know a filipina and she likes you watch out... she could turn into a stalking machine and show up at your home, break into your computer, steal your passwords etc...

Thai / Filipina... is a debate that will go on forever and never be solved as it is personal choice. Some say PI is cheaper then BKK, yes for a walk in pick up girl at Glorietta or off the street you pay less then in BKK; however some higher end clubs you pay much more in PI then in BKK.

Personally, I think it is best to not talk about which one is best, it is best to try them both and keep trying them over and over and over...

Globotto
10-15-08, 07:00
Funny! You did write "Thais" are extremely honest right? I guess the exception is when Thais lie to save face, or maybe they only lie to Falangs, or maybe only the lo-so Thai are dishonest. How about the infamous Thai scams or the (insert sarcasm) extremely honest Thai Government leaders who are always looking out for the welfare of their people? You need to enlighten us on how to approach them so they can be honest with us.

"Extremely Honest?" Come on, there are very few cultures, if any those two words can honestly be applied to and Thai culture is not one of them.
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Thats not what i said. You left out the first part of the sentance which is
If you know how to approach them Thais are honest.

Ok i am not saying they are a 100% honest culture that not true but i am generalizing that if you know how to ask them things you often will get thier honest answer.

Knowing how to approach them includes language skills because sometimes they dont know WTF your trying to tell them with bad thai language skills which probably sounds to their ears like jibberish. Example, coffee milk too much come sugar go wehlar(how does that sound to your ears). Thats right for certain words you dont know in thai try saying that word in english so then what they get is one english word they dont understand and a whole bunch of jibberish.

NicFrenchy
10-15-08, 07:59
If you know how to approach them Thais are honest.

Ok i am not saying they are a 100% honest culture that not true but i am generalizing that if you know how to ask them things you often will get thier honest answer.

No Sir.

Thais Lie, it's a fact. No matter the level (hi or lo-So). They will tell you what they feel will be in THEIR best interest. Period.

Lover Boy #2
10-15-08, 09:58
Thats not what i said. You left out the first part of the sentance which is
If you know how to approach them Thais are honest.

As the TG was heard saying "Oh my Buddha"....you have to be joking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...as a culture, these are the most lying mf'ers I have ever seen/heard. They make the rest of the lying world look like a small time operation. A Thai has only his/her interest at mind......you are nothing in their big picture.

Run Mann
10-15-08, 10:31
Thats not what i said. You left out the first part of the sentance which is
If you know how to approach them Thais are honest.


You need your glasses Sir, because the part about "if you know how to approach themĒ is present in the quote. Actually that is the reason I asked you to enlighten us on the approach you use. However, after reading your reply, it is clear that you have no viable approach and was just wrong and way off in labeling Thais as being "extremely honest".

Retired Army
10-17-08, 17:37
Thats not what i said. You left out the first part of the sentance which is
If you know how to approach them Thais are honest.

Ok i am not saying they are a 100% honest culture that not true but i am generalizing that if you know how to ask them things you often will get thier honest answer.

Knowing how to approach them includes language skills because sometimes they dont know WTF your trying to tell them with bad thai language skills which probably sounds to their ears like jibberish. Example, coffee milk too much come sugar go wehlar(how does that sound to your ears). Thats right for certain words you dont know in thai try saying that word in english so then what they get is one english word they dont understand and a whole bunch of jibberish.


Thai's don't necessairly lie, They, like most Orientials, will tell you yes when they mean no as a way to save face. It's a cultural thing and they don't consider it lying.

And yes, most Thai's are just as honest as anyone else. However, when you get to the lower income strata they are more likely to relieve you of your possessions if you are not careful. But the same is true for just about anywhere else in the world.

Beavercleaver
11-05-08, 11:57
I dated Nam for a bit more than 2 weeks. Her mom and brother even came down from Khorat for a visit.

We planned tentatively to get married. She quit her job at the beer bar and said she was sticking with me. I had a plan to take a teaching job at assumption university in Khorat but Nam said she didn't want to take the ride back with her mum. "too long".

We palled around Pattaya for several days after her mom left. But then she said she was getting telephone messages from a musician at the lucifer disco. I think she got his number when she was out with her friend from Khorat. Met him at soi bhuakhao. How she ended up with his number is a big question for me. Next she was still getting messages from her fallang from England. Many days after her mom left and we had negotiated a dowery. Why this was still going on troubled me as well.

I ate her pussy on Sunday but she said Riao Riao as I was going down on her. Not sexy for me. I stopped. We went to lucifer. The cute girl singer thay Nam liked wasn't there. We stayed for one set of the band. Then she insisted we leave. She told me that the musician had been sending her messages then. And also the fallang from england. She said I am "poo ying mai di" I am a bad girl to receive messages from these boys. I got agitated and tried not to loose my cool. She said to me 3 times: "If you want me to go with him/them I can. " 3 times. That sounded to me like she wanted to go with them and she wanted me to say yes. Trying to take advantage of me or maybe she was bored with me. She tried to get me to go to Tony's disco. We went and met her friend instead. We went to the late night place to eat. It was Ok. Actually kind of great and relaxed. I told her to take her friend home on the motor bike and "go play" I told them I would walk home. I did. Nam showed up real fast and We had sex for the first time in many days because her pussy is small and easily hurt and I liked her too much to make "jep" for her. The next day Nam got up but didn't talk to me. She watched TV and then She got a phone message which she checked (my brain is spinning) and then she took a shower, put on her clothes and make up and left. I had paid for her computer class the day before and she said something before she walked out. Maybe about computers- but I didn't understand it. She just walked out the door and closed it and didn't look at me or say bye or anything.

I went for a run and had a vision of kicking her out on her butt. Since she had the moto bike I had to get that back. So instead of locking her shit out of the room I went back not expecting to see her.

BUt there she was 90 minuts later. I confronted her. THings got out of hand very quickly. I think she was ready to leave.

She said she went to the computer class. I told her I did not believe her. She showed me abook which I did not open. I told her that she was mean when she left without talking with me. I said I don't think you like me. She just gave me a nasty look.

I told her F- you which she said back. I told her to get out. I demanded the gold chain. She said she wanted 2000 baht. After considering a moment I gave up 2000 just to get her out of the room. She took her sweet time packing her stuff. I said to her "Liao LIao" which was my f-cked up way of trying to communicate how humiliating it was for me to hear her say that when I was eating her p-ssy.

SHe left. Strong looking girl to the end. I slammed the door. Haven't heard from her in 4 days.

I took her new shoes she left in the aprtment to the Pattaya orphanage and donated them. I took the chain back to the shop where I bought it. They returned 5800 to me. 800 more than I contributed. So net net it was a winner for me.

I regret sometimes what has happened. I really really like Nam so much. But at this point without speaking for 4 days I am sure she hooked up with the fallangs out of spite or desperation to make money for her family since she f-cked it up with me or maybe she wanted to meet them but now I really can't get together with her and see her as anything but a p4p. If (impossible) I would marry her I would take the price down to a pittance because she is a true p4p and not a propper wife at all.

I think she was bored with me. Bored of sitting in Pattaya without much to do. Waiting for me to get my job in Korea or Japan (which is now accomplished). SHe just wanted a little action or something to make her days a bit more exciting. But there were too many questions in my mind about her playing phone games with other boys. Trust suddenly became a huge issue. SHe was kind enough to be honest with me. But laying that stuff on the line created too many questions in my mind and sent me over the edge. THe fact that the guy was a musician who to my mind played some sh-ty music did nothing to help.

I briefly considered telling her to go ahead and meet those boys. I told her even to do it but then I said if you do it, I want to meet other girls. THat shut her up. I even considered on the last day of giving up and telling her to make it unfair. For her to meet the boys and for me not to meet other girls. But ultimately that was going to be a nightmare for me. After all I was sticking both feet and hands into the abyss and ready to dive head first into marrying her.

I was planning to take her with me to Korea or Japan which she was begging me to do. To buy her a passport and a plane ticket as well as follow through with the dowery plan that her mom had to get 6 gold coins from me and 20 silvers. Plus 100, 000 cash and to pay for the wedding party.

All that went up in smoke on the last day I saw her. If she could have just kept her little p-ssy from getting all atwitter over some idiot musician and a "young fallang" from england then she would have gotten it all from me. 100% without a doubt. I was gone with my nose wide open. Now it's history.

Even if I sent her a message, meeting her would be a huge trial. I am sure she would throw all her fallang sh-t in my face and (try to) humiliate me even worse. If I got back with her I am sure I would only think "I am doing p4p" and if I married her it would be "I am marrying a p4p"

Both prospects make me sick. But even thinking about her now sometimes makes me physically I'll. I suppose in the long run that this is the best thing, but I do often feel pangs of regret and many times I wonder about ways I could possibly hook up with her again.

I do miss her. I really did get along well with her mom and her brother.

I wonder about what she is thinking. I wonder what she told her mom. I wonder what her mom thought and what her mom said. I wonder if her mom had visions of those gold coins slipping through her fingers. Of being stuck with debt. Of her 22 year old daughter being a f-ked up immature little brat who blew the whole shebang on the idea of banging a couple of lame twits who will ultimately only offer their family a few thousand baht for a quik boom and condemn little Nam to a bright future of f-cking for money.

Maybe Nam can work at the 2nd road beer bar. Maybe she can work somewhere else. But she will be working or f-king which she told me she never enjoyed very much because it hurt her little p-ssy and she will be making peanuts to support her family when 4 days ago she and I had everything

She said to me, talking about herself: "I am stupid"

I told her no way. I said I thought she was smart and that I like her because she is smart. Now I wonder.

Maybe she is smart. Maybe she did the right thing. Maybe getting married to an older guy like me would have ruined her life. Maybe the black guy musician can giver her what she wants and split her little pussy in two. Maybe she can get all excited about her "young fallang" from england. Closer to her young age than me. I dunno. I really tried. I tried to be sinciere and honest and not bullsh-t her and be up front about the money and be ready to do what ever it takes to help her family. God knows if she had pushed me I would have agreed and took the plunge even if it turned out to be a bad move for me.

Now I am at least solvent. Nam is going to have to go back to slinging her a-s. My heart breaks when I think about it. Sometimes I want to call her and tell her I want to stop it. To make it so she doesn't have to do that. To tell her I will send her to school.

I worry that she is having trouble right now but maybe she is too proud to call me or contact me. I worry because I care about her. I have no idea what might happen if I send her a message. I am sure she will ignore me. Perhaps I deserve it because of how I treated her in the last minutes before she left.

Such is life. One day up. Another down.

Bottom line. I have my money and no materialistic little b-tch to pay for (which is what she became in the last few days)

Maybe she just didn't like the prospect of being with me. But she impressed the hell out of me and she is one of the only thai girls I would ever consider hitching with.

The last few days she went crazy buying a lot of stupid clothes and shit which pissed me off a lot. Otherwise she was sweet and very nice to me and she hung out with me and made me feel like a sexy guy.

I love her. I miss her.

Farewell Nam. I am sure you will find a great husband to take care of you and help your family. I am sure you will get the sh-t f-cked out of your little p-ssy in Pattaya and I am sure you will make a lot of money doing it. I am sure you will have good luck and a long happy life.

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Opebo
11-05-08, 19:41
BeaverCleaver, I have a feeling I shall not be thanked for this, but I feel it is my duty as a brother to remind you that you are writing about prostitutes.

Warbucks
11-05-08, 20:04
I dated Nam for a bit more than 2 weeks. Her mom and brother even came down from Khorat for a visit.....

Two weeks...That is really a long time to get to know someone. Are you fucking kidding?

Stop the fucking presses this is the ISG not Stickmanís bar girl stories. Anyway bro she did you a fucking favor. You want to spend the rest of your life supporting her dead beat family and spending your time with an idiot because most bar girls have the IQ of a box of crayons. She is a hooker. Probably screwed over a 1000 mother fucker before you. Probably has more flags on her pussy then the United Nations building. Is this who you want to marry? Is this who you would be proud to take home to mom? What I have learned in Thailand is that 22 year old bar girl is not new to the game. I spent the night with a bar-girl in Pattaya who told she had been in the bar since she was 16 she was now 21 and was already a hardened pro.


BeaverCleaver, I have a feeling I shall not be thanked for this, but I feel it is my duty as a brother to remind you that you are writing about prostitutes.

Opebo was short and lenient in his response to you. If you want to get married why donít you try and find you a nice Thai girl with decent job and decent family not one sucking dick for 500 Baht.
Wow.

Professor10
11-05-08, 20:16
Hey Beaver,

I can relate to how you felt - when these 'girls' turn on that charm, it is hard to resist. But as was mentioned, we ARE talking about P4P women. They have handled more 'dick' than you can imagine. Survival is the name of the game and as you said - they are always looking for excitement. So when they 'tire' of you (which they ALL do), they will be out playing the field and sowing their oats (and pussies) and making the money that they are known to do. You were 'infatuated' with Nam, and possibly did 'love' her, but the feeling was NOT mutual. She loves your MONEY - SIMPLE AS THAT!

Amer Tun
11-05-08, 21:32
To all the others:

Even if ISG forums are most about P4P, I think BeaverCleaver's post is in the right place here.

BeaverCleaver, one could say that shit happens. It's better for you that it happens after some weeks. Had the same after some years with my wife who was not in P4P but school teacher. (Now she lives in New Zealand.)

We'll never completely understand this irrational species; women.

As you say in my country: "There's a lot of mothers having beautiful daughters."

This is fresh and time will heal your wounds.

Don't look back to her even if you want to. If she made it one time, she'll do it again and again and as I understood, you work a lot on trust. So sooner or later your story would turn bad.

Look for something new, beautiful and not P4P. Don't turn like me (and perhaps some of the others here) that don't see relationship any more and therefore only go the easy P4P-way.

If I could trust women any more I would find myself a nice and beautiful wife myself.

Daddy07
11-06-08, 02:27
...Farewell Nam. I am sure you will find a great husband to take care of you and help your family...
Congratulations Beaver!!! You just dodged a very large bullet and you'll be very happy about it someday real soon.

Regards,
Daddy

Gatorman
11-06-08, 03:10
Beaver. I think you are selling yourself short. You don't have to put up with a bunch of crap like that. You will meet someone else--no problem. Find your balls man and snap out of that p-whipped dream.

Lover Boy #2
11-06-08, 09:10
It might seem a bit insensitive, but I actually found reading your report painful. You must run from Pattaya and never return. You are the kind of guy who will be destroyed in this atmosphere. It is very sad what has happened to you....but this is a result of lack of experience and there is no other way to put it. Now that this has happened, you have a bit of experience behind you.

When this girl says she is no good......she knows best. This is a course of events which can sicken someone.....and you must walk away from this....and never look back. She is a low class piece of trash from what you say......and probably crazy in addition.

What bar does she work at?.....I would like to add my sperm to the rivers that flow from her small pussy and tear her to shreds (like the rest) in celebration of your realizing what she is. My 500 b is ready....she is a low class turd.

(now that I have read your other posts on submissive/domination scenarios and your other conquests....maybe a retraction on my part is called for. WTF is up with you?)

NicFrenchy
11-07-08, 08:19
BeaverCleaver, I have a feeling I shall not be thanked for this, but I feel it is my duty as a brother to remind you that you are writing about prostitutes.

I rarely agree with Opebo but I must say that he hit the nail right on the head.

There is something I will never be able to understand and that is how can a guy fall in love with a prostitute? moreover, one he met 14 days before?

Thai ladies certainly have a lot of charm but there are more than enough regular girls out there waiting for the right guy for you not having to want to marry a prostitute.

P4P girls are very nice girls, some are very cute some fuck like professionals but all of them should be just PLAY. Have fun, take them out for a night, sleep with them and move on!

While I agree that a girl's past or occupation should not matter and that it would not be fair to cross off a girl because she works in a Bar, there are many other girls available.

Thai men really understand this concept. They marry the good girls and have fun with the prostitutes.
I think the key is really to be able to separate the 2 in our western cultured mind. Sex does not mean love, even if the Puppy eyes of your Teerak are watery, this is just business to her.

Opebo
11-07-08, 10:03
...she is a low class turd.

I would like to clarify, regarding my comments:

Though I wished to point out to our friend Beaver-cleaver that his service providers are just that - service providers - I did not in any way mean to condone the view that these girls are 'bad', or 'low class', or in any way morally inferior to those employed in other trades.

My assertion is merely that one should remind oneself that any romance or appearance of affection affected by one professionally prone to simulating same should be treated as such - a pleasant fiction at best, or at worst a con. Of course I look dubiously on all such romantic attachments, with 'good' girls or 'bad', but certainly moreso with the professional actress.

The best policy is certainly to stick to short time, using a false name, in a short-time hotel.

Amjeck
11-07-08, 14:04
The best policy is certainly to stick to short time, using a false name, in a short-time hotel.
Words of wisdom from a man who knows the game well!

Hit and run all day long with the LBFM's. Never give them more than they deserve, and always stay in control.

PinkPearl
11-07-08, 15:52
Sex does not mean love, even if the Puppy eyes of your Teerak are watery, this is just business to her.If I catch myself tempted to marry a TG or send her money, I am gonna look in the mirror and punch myself in the face repeatedly until I knock myself out.

Failing there it aint no problem a screwdriver to the temple won't fix.

The lesson here is, always have a plan B in case plan A don't work out.

Zerocoolbkk
11-08-08, 02:53
Guys,

I need some advice here and suggestions on how to find what I am looking for.

I travel to Thailand/Asia quite a lot and am tired of going to bars, MP's etc. With my work schedule it would be great to basically have a girl kept in BKK to be there to "take care" of me. I know alot of guys that pay a girl each month to be there and be their GFE girl. I think they call it "Liang" or something like that.

Has anyone ever done this and what would be the best way to locate a high end girl for this "job". I know their are some services or introductions made for local Thai's but I don't know where to start.

Thanks for the advice guys,

Zero

Lover Boy #2
11-08-08, 05:11
Guys,

I need some advice here and suggestions on how to find what I am looking for.

I travel to Thailand/Asia quite a lot and am tired of going to bars, MP's etc. With my work schedule it would be great to basically have a girl kept in BKK to be there to "take care" of me. I know alot of guys that pay a girl each month to be there and be their GFE girl. I think they call it "Liang" or something like that.

Has anyone ever done this and what would be the best way to locate a high end girl for this "job". I know their are some services or introductions made for local Thai's but I don't know where to start.

Thanks for the advice guys,

Zero

Another nightmare waiting to happen.....when you leave town, she will be using the apartment to take on customers.....or at least do some good below the belt work at another apartment/room to keep the flow of baht higher than what you are sending. This is the way they operate...if you fall into this...you will be paying for something that you can get a lot cheaper. The plan just doesn't work....you have to be there to control the TG....or you will be screwed for sure.

Maybe you have to spend the time and find a non P4P girl....who is just happy waiting for your return....and working at a regular job. Then your plan might work.

Lover Boy #2
11-08-08, 05:15
I would like to clarify, regarding my comments:

Though I wished to point out to our friend Beaver-cleaver that his service providers are just that - service providers - I did not in any way mean to condone the view that these girls are 'bad', or 'low class', or in any way morally inferior to those employed in other trades.

My assertion is merely that one should remind oneself that any romance or appearance of affection affected by one professionally prone to simulating same should be treated as such - a pleasant fiction at best, or at worst a con. Of course I look dubiously on all such romantic attachments, with 'good' girls or 'bad', but certainly moreso with the professional actress.

The best policy is certainly to stick to short time, using a false name, in a short-time hotel.

I was commenting on the specific story that he was telling of this particular female and how the entire scenario was playing out.

After reading all of his stuff, I realized that he was engaged in activity that many Thai girls find weird (basically S&M, in different forms)...and that might be the reason for the "fiance" to be taking off on him.

After I realized what was going on, I wrote a retraction to my post.....in that the girl might be sensible to walk away from the relationship.....so, the
"turd" comment might not be called for.....I agree.

NicFrenchy
11-08-08, 07:10
Guys,

I need some advice here and suggestions on how to find what I am looking for.

I travel to Thailand/Asia quite a lot and am tired of going to bars, MP's etc. With my work schedule it would be great to basically have a girl kept in BKK to be there to "take care" of me. I know alot of guys that pay a girl each month to be there and be their GFE girl. I think they call it "Liang" or something like that.

Has anyone ever done this and what would be the best way to locate a high end girl for this "job". I know their are some services or introductions made for local Thai's but I don't know where to start.

Thanks for the advice guys,

Zero

I think your best bet is to hire a hi class escort. She will cater to all your needs while you are in Thailand (even can travel in Asia with you if you wish).
Having a girl to sponsor can be very expensive as you need to pay a monthly allowance (+ the extra things she will need: Motorbike, buffalo, hospital bills for family) so I guess you are better paying only when you get here.

M P Lurker
11-08-08, 07:53
Guys,

I need some advice here and suggestions on how to find what I am looking for.

I travel to Thailand/Asia quite a lot and am tired of going to bars, MP's etc. With my work schedule it would be great to basically have a girl kept in BKK to be there to "take care" of me. I know alot of guys that pay a girl each month to be there and be their GFE girl. I think they call it "Liang" or something like that.

Has anyone ever done this and what would be the best way to locate a high end girl for this "job". I know their are some services or introductions made for local Thai's but I don't know where to start.

Thanks for the advice guys,

Zero
Keeping a girl in Thailand can be quite expensive and will never work out to be a good deal on a per fuck basis.

If you are wealthy it can be a good option.

A superstar bargirl I went with recently says she is tired of being a bargirl and having to go with multiple customers. She would very much like to be a kept girl with a guy that is serious about her. But here is the catch. Because she is a top girl and popular, she currently makes quite a lot of money to support her whole family and is wanting to buy a little business for her parents to work in.
Guys have offered to keep her for 30K Baht per month, but its not enough. She earns a lot more than that per month currently.

So she wants it every way in her favour. Same money she can make in the bar but no work and wants the guy to be honest with her too and not "butterfly". Is this reasonable ....?
Of course not!

Bar girls just cannot give up getting the big money once they get used to it.

On the other hand if you can find a very poorly paid girl, she might be happy to be "kept" for a far lower amount. But then she probably won't be as sexy and as beautiful and probably doesn't even speak English.

But your big problem is that you don't get to "keep" just the girl. Its usually keeping the whole family inckluding hospital bills, house repairs, etc.

My recommendation to you is to collect a set of phone numbers of girls you enjoy. Then if you have collected anough numbers, then nearly always someone will be avilable. You then pay them on a per visit basis, strictly cash for service.
Will turn out that you get better overall service and use less money for it. The girls should even be aware of that other girls are competing for your time. Then they know they must give you a good time to remain a favourite. You will also get bored with them far less easily when they get rotated like this.

Believe me I have tried both ways (although girls I have "kept" were not bargirls) and set of paid Giks is much more satisfactory.

Giotto
11-08-08, 08:11
...
My recommendation to you is to collect a set of phone numbers of girls you enjoy. Then if you have collected anough numbers, then nearly always someone will be avilable. You then pay them on a per visit basis, strictly cash for service.
...
Mick Licker,

Good strategy!

And even in the case that the "superstar" bar girl that gave the telephone number to customers suddenly disappears from the bar being taken care of by somebody or having a boyfriend - even in this case there is a very good chance that she can arrange to see you - for that little bit extra cash [and possibly a bit extra fun].

I know plenty of those cases.


Giotto

Member #3428
11-08-08, 08:37
Keeping a girl in Thailand can be quite expensive and will never work out to be a good deal on a per fuck basis.

Everyone says it never works out unless you live in thai and marry them or take them out of thailand.... however many guys still take care of the girls and don't live there.

I'll get slammed for this... BUT... If you are going to try to find a girl to take care of... try to find a girl who is newer in the business and one that is not happy and maybe not that popular with customers. Either one that is more shy or doesn't talk much right away, sits in the back or corner etc... This doesn't always mean she's a starfish. It also helps if she has "relatives" (in thai anyone from the village is a relative it seems like) who were in the business now with Farangs either married, out of thai with them, or kept by them. Any girl who loves the nightly party or is a superstar or has been in the game for a long time, I'd personally avoid for anything more then a weekend visit...

I make no bones about the fact that I've "helped" two girls longer time over there. You even know one of them Mick and many guys here know her as well as we've seen each other for a while. And she costs a heck of a lot less then 30 K a month but I did send her to english school before. Has it always been smooth sailing hell no, we've both messed up. It surely is not perfect... will surely not last forever (or I am not going to bank on it / count on it / stupid enough to think it will go on forever etc...), heck it might not last to the next trip in two weeks, but she's not hurting me and I'm not hurting her.... She gets out of the nightly game and has some security and I have an enjoyable time with her when I'm in BKK.

Some folks will jump up in arms about the costs but if so worried you can look at it this way... I can stay with her in her place, that would save me about 15,000 baht a month (30 K every two months in serviced apartment costs on average, sometimes more sometimes less). If you give her 10 - 15 K a month it actually turns out to be a wash if not cheaper.... True the girls place is not as nice as a serviced apartment but they are not always bad, and you can't always take a girl back to her place when she's there :) But that doesn't stop the MP's or such if you want variety and if you are desperate and find something you like you can short time hotel it.

If you pay a high end escort 5 K a night at 3 nights then it's a wash... If you are buying bar drinks and paying bar fines and paying a girl 2 to 4 K a night then that adds up just as fast as well. If you are going to be there for a week a month (two weeks every two months) and find a girl you enjoy then it's also not that bad of a deal.

And to top it off, I usually have the girl doing some work items for me over there. So that helps a lot also and saves me doing a crap load of work all the time. And as far as her abilities in the pleasure department... It's amazing what you can teach them to do not only in business but in pleasure as well... Just because they don't know or do right away doesn't mean they can't do or won't do... It's actually refreshing have a girl who does need some training.

Many posters here are wanting the cheap charlie route which is fine, but there are just as many if not more that like to play the white knight with the girls... Many of the posters here have bought expensive items for girls they've seen for long time (or even for a weekend) and have taken care of them.. even loaning them money to get out of the game to start up a business or what not... What's surprising is that from what I've heard a lot of the guys have been paid back in full with interest...

She won't end up your wife but that doesn't mean that she won't take care of you and you help her out a little also. Some have no problem being a second wife or such... many thai girls are second wives to thai guys all the time.

Let the slamming begin...

Member #3428
11-08-08, 09:20
even in this case there is a very good chance that she can arrange to see you - for that little bit extra cash [and possibly a bit extra fun]. I know plenty of those cases.

Especially if they give you their new phone numbers after the current BF or husband makes them change their number.

The first long term girl I saw before who is now married to an American still will bus down to BKK when I am in town for a few hours in a short time hotel then bus back home or stay over if I want to get away with her for a few hours each day. Of course she is fully aware of the new girl I see and I'm aware of her new husband. I should send him a thank you note for paying her so much that she can pay bus to come down and pay hotel if she stays over to see me.

So if it works this way you should assume one day the girl you see will do the same to you. Just go in knowing you'll never get your money back nor will they probably be your wife. But it doesn't mean you can't have fun and enjoy.

M P Lurker
11-08-08, 09:22
Everyone says it never works out unless you live in thai and marry them or take them out of thailand.... however many guys still take care of the girls and don't live there.

I'll get slammed for this... BUT... If you are going to try to find a girl to take care of... try to find a girl who is newer in the business and one that is not happy and maybe not that popular with customers. Either one that is more shy or doesn't talk much right away, sits in the back or corner etc... This doesn't always mean she's a starfish. It also helps if she has "relatives" (in thai anyone from the village is a relative it seems like) who were in the business now with Farangs either married, out of thai with them, or kept by them. Any girl who loves the nightly party or is a superstar or has been in the game for a long time, I'd personally avoid for anything more then a weekend visit...

I make no bones about the fact that I've "helped" two girls longer time over there. You even know one of them Mick and many guys here know her as well as we've seen each other for a while. And she costs a heck of a lot less then 30 K a month but I did send her to english school before. Has it always been smooth sailing hell no, we've both messed up. It surely is not perfect... will surely not last forever (or I am not going to bank on it / count on it / stupid enough to think it will go on forever etc...), heck it might not last to the next trip in two weeks, but she's not hurting me and I'm not hurting her.... She gets out of the nightly game and has some security and I have an enjoyable time with her when I'm in BKK.

Some folks will jump up in arms about the costs but if so worried you can look at it this way... I can stay with her in her place, that would save me about 15,000 baht a month (30 K every two months in serviced apartment costs on average, sometimes more sometimes less). If you give her 10 - 15 K a month it actually turns out to be a wash if not cheaper.... True the girls place is not as nice as a serviced apartment but they are not always bad, and you can't always take a girl back to her place when she's there :) But that doesn't stop the MP's or such if you want variety and if you are desperate and find something you like you can short time hotel it.

If you pay a high end escort 5 K a night at 3 nights then it's a wash... If you are buying bar drinks and paying bar fines and paying a girl 2 to 4 K a night then that adds up just as fast as well. If you are going to be there for a week a month (two weeks every two months) and find a girl you enjoy then it's also not that bad of a deal.

And to top it off, I usually have the girl doing some work items for me over there. So that helps a lot also and saves me doing a crap load of work all the time. And as far as her abilities in the pleasure department... It's amazing what you can teach them to do not only in business but in pleasure as well... Just because they don't know or do right away doesn't mean they can't do or won't do... It's actually refreshing have a girl who does need some training.

Many posters here are wanting the cheap charlie route which is fine, but there are just as many if not more that like to play the white knight with the girls... Many of the posters here have bought expensive items for girls they've seen for long time (or even for a weekend) and have taken care of them.. even loaning them money to get out of the game to start up a business or what not... What's surprising is that from what I've heard a lot of the guys have been paid back in full with interest...

She won't end up your wife but that doesn't mean that she won't take care of you and you help her out a little also. Some have no problem being a second wife or such... many thai girls are second wives to thai guys all the time.

Let the slamming begin...
Well done to you if you have found a way that is economic where I failed. I probably am not in Thailand us much as you and got less time out of my "kept" girl.

As you say, choosing the right girl is absolutely critical to the long term viability. Although I have met your girl and she is a quiet type, of course I cannot really "know" her.

My girl was quiet, could not speak English, did not like partying and was never in a bar. But she had a daughter to look after.

No girl is perfect, so in the end its only a question of whether you really know her character and personality well and is it right and workable for you. This is something very difficult to achieve, I think, but not impossible.

Member #3428
11-08-08, 09:30
This is something very difficult to achieve, I think, but not impossible.

No, I agree it is impossible but guys will keep trying it no matter what people say or tell them.

Just think of it as impossible, so when it fails you will not be surprised and if it does last a while and you enjoy then good for you.

All money spent is pissed away, you'll never get it back... so if you look at it that way then good for you and enjoy it.

It also helps you can expense some of the costs to make it economically sound... ;) Finally found a use for my Accounting Degree

Patarse
11-08-08, 12:58
Hi guys

After coming to this thread on a link from beavers posts I was quite intrigued by the posts about relationships with bar girls.

So I thought I would add my 2 cents worth.

I am not an expert Thai monger. I have been travelling to Thailand for 7 years.

In that time I have probably spent close to a year there.

When I first arrived it was like disneyland for me as it is for most newbies.

Fuck I just couldn't believe the pussy I could have for so little money.

And the GFE thrown in. I had been through 2 divorces and a couple of other long term relationships and property settlements. So it was heaven to fuck them and forget them, what a place. I've done 3 in a day and doubles a few times like most who go to Thailand. Oh and my fave arse fucked most. Its not really that they won't do it it's just at what price they willl. I had 1 lovely slim BG who wouldn't do it for anything on earth! But one day we're walking past a shoe stall she sees these shoes she just has to have. Oh shit shes just sent most of her money home that day. She gave it up that night still wearing those shoes I bought. I'd offered her way more than what the shoes cost before that but no go.

But for me my character just doesn't suit 1 girl after the other night after night. So I usually gravitated to 1 after a few empty outs and catching up on what I had avoided at home for months.

After a couple of trips I would do quite a few when I first got there and then when something nice came along I would spend time with them, but still fuck them silly. I just found it comfortable to be with the same one.

I had some awesome woman. This site helped to keep my head straight about long term plans with them. They seemed to enjoy the long time also. For them to know they had a steady income for a few weeks they were happy. They were wonderful to me looking after my every need.

I always entertained the idea of making one my wife, it's only natural to think of it. I had quite a few trips to Isaan which I thoroughly enjoyed. But none of them were on the promise of marriage. I always made it known that I enjoyed getting away to the real Thailand and they were more than happy to have a paid holiday home. I paid them their normal daily fee and they just took leave from the bar usually saying Parents were sick, so no barfine. I had a ball in the villages, the families and locals were lovely people to spend time with. Of course you are the entertainer and pay for meals beers and things, but the prices in the villages are so cheap after BKK and Pattaya that I always saved money by being there.

Sometimes we stayed with a sister or cousin and a couple of times in a local hotel.

But what I noticed when I spent time in the Thai villages, was that the terrible reasons that made them sell their pussy was common to nearly every family in the village. So why were there attractive woman in the village in just as much financial trouble as my lovely BG, but they weren't selling their pussy. Well to be honest I'm fucked if I know. But unlike what many of the bleeding hearts on this site will tell you, they don't have to sell their pussy, they choose to sell it. The good girls stay home and take any job they can get for whatever money it pays and they survive. The thais have been living in poverty for hundreds of years and it hasn't hurt their outlook on life.

But one thing it did teach me was if I wanted to marry one of these lovely attentive mild mannered women, it would be the one who stayed home and didn't sell her pussy not the one who did.

After all what happens if the ex BG has problems when you take her home to your country and everything is not perfect. Well shit it's desperate times again AHH a few more cocks won't make a difference will it.

I mean things are bad. Same as before.

So for me I thought oh well I can just do the same as this for ever haha. After all how do you meet the ones who don't want to sell the pussy when times are tough. So I resigned myself to the horrible ordeal of going to Thailand and fucking quite a few gorgeous young women a couple of times a year. Haha Shit what a terrible life.

Anyway thats my 2 cents worth or 500 baht on my dos and donts of marrying the thai BG.

I hope it adds a different perspective to this thread right or wrong that's just the way I look at it.

OH PS

About 12 months ago my daughter was surfing the net and called me in and saying, Dad have you seen this dating website for Thai women, you love going there so much why don't you give it a try. I am returning in a few weeks to be with my gorgeous 30 year old Tg for the third time this year.

She has never been married, no kids. She is a university educated accountant. Studied english in Australia for 6 months. She has a very good job in a health resort in administration.

Owns 2 homes in Chiang Mai 1 in Rayong and another 2 acres of land in Chiang mai also. The money I deposited in her thai bank account 9 months ago is still there. She insists on sharing the bill when we stay in hotels. I just received a package from Thailand on Thursday for my mothers birthday present and also a couple of things for my mates kids. She loves her old farang teerak mak mak. And like most women of the world she loves a root also. Just not with a different man every night

So good luck with the hunt. You never know what's around the corner.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Warbucks
11-08-08, 13:55
She has never been married, no kids. She is a university educated accountant. Studied english in Australia for 6 months. She has a very good job in a health resort in administration.

Owns 2 homes in Chiang Mai 1 in Rayong and another 2 acres of land in Chiang mai also. The money I deposited in her thai bank account 9 months ago is still there.

Ok so why did you have put money in her account?


After reading all of his stuff, I realized that he was engaged in activity that many Thai girls find weird (basically S&M, in different forms)...and that might be the reason for the "fiance" to be taking off on him.


Frequent bare-back with prostitutes I think is the ultimate SM. (not a fan of bare-back or SM so wouldnít personally know but just a thought) Repeated trips to the Dr. to have a Q-tip inserted in your urethra as they test for Chlamydia or Gonorrhea. :D

Zerocoolbkk
11-08-08, 15:42
I think your best bet is to hire a hi class escort. She will cater to all your needs while you are in Thailand (even can travel in Asia with you if you wish).

Having a girl to sponsor can be very expensive as you need to pay a monthly allowance (+ the extra things she will need: Motorbike, buffalo, hospital bills for family) so I guess you are better paying only when you get here.NicFrenchy,

You are probably right, it might be better just to find a high end escort who I am happy with and have her stay with me when I am there or even travel with me. Can you or anyone suggest any good high end escort services to call? I have seen alot but most seem to be overpriced bar girls.

Cheers,

Zero

Patarse
11-08-08, 18:55
Ok so why did you have put money in her account?HaHaHa

Why would'nt I?

Opebo
11-08-08, 20:34
...Repeated trips to the Dr. to have a Q-tip inserted in your urethra as they test for Chlamydia or Gonorrhea. :D

No need. One can simply recognize the symptoms and take the appropriate anti-biotics (over the counter still in Thailand, though for how much longer who knows).

NicFrenchy
11-09-08, 03:29
After all what happens if the ex BG has problems when you take her home to your country and everything is not perfect. Well shit it's desperate times again AHH a few more cocks won't make a difference will it.

All Overseas sponsors shoud read this.... twice!

Words of wisdom. Bravo.

Tiger 888
11-09-08, 05:08
I hope nobody listens to Dr. HIV self elect bareback opebo.
If you had unprotected sex, get yourself checked. Symptoms or not.

Retired Army
11-09-08, 09:47
No need. One can simply recognize the symptoms and take the appropriate anti-biotics (over the counter still in Thailand, though for how much longer who knows).


Anyone with medical training care to comment on the unintended effects of self prescribing antibiotics.

Lover Boy #2
11-10-08, 07:09
Anyone with medical training care to comment on the unintended effects of self prescribing antibiotics.

There are all kinds of bad things that can happen.....such as creating a "super infection" (mutation of bacterium) to destroying your stomach (killing the good bacteria by dosing improperly). There are also issues of allergy and even heart conditons that can be caused by improper use of antibiotics. However, self prescribing antibiotics is a practice worldwide....especially among poorer populations who do not have direct access to medical professionals.

Opebo
11-10-08, 20:19
There are all kinds of bad things that can happen.....such as creating a "super infection" (mutation of bacterium) to destroying your stomach (killing the good bacteria by dosing improperly). There are also issues of allergy and even heart conditons that can be caused by improper use of antibiotics. However, self prescribing antibiotics is a practice worldwide....especially among poorer populations who do not have direct access to medical professionals.

The dose, etc., is precisely the same whether one has consulted a physician or not. For gonorrhea and clamydia, one gram azithromycin at least one hour before or two hours after a meal (in other words on an empty stomach) to facilitate absorbtion. Most mongers have had these minor ailments many times, so to visit the doctor for precisely the same condition upon each occasion of re-infection would be, well, hardly providing any new information now would it?

That said, I'm the first to recommend a doctor's visit for gonorrhea if you prefer the shot-in-the-ass (ceftriaxone). It saves the potential for mild stomach upset, and in any case I consider it advisable to mix it up a bit when it comes to the various anti-biotics available for a particular type of infection.

Retired Army
11-10-08, 20:42
The dose, etc., is precisely the same whether one has consulted a physician or not. For gonorrhea and clamydia, one gram azithromycin at least one hour before or two hours after a meal (in other words on an empty stomach) to facilitate absorbtion. Most mongers have had these minor ailments many times, so to visit the doctor for precisely the same condition upon each occasion of re-infection would be, well, hardly providing any new information now would it?

That said, I'm the first to recommend a doctor's visit for gonorrhea if you prefer the shot-in-the-ass (ceftriaxone). It saves the potential for mild stomach upset, and in any case I consider it advisable to mix it up a bit when it comes to the various anti-biotics available for a particular type of infection.


Thank you doctor.

Opebo
11-16-08, 19:28
Yep agreed, I do not care, moreover I do not care what others think either !!


That's why the Thai's hate Farangs so much, and who can blame them.

I have to say only persons from a very conformist culture would hate someone because he did 'not care what others think'. I also have to say that those of us from non-conformist traditions would in fact 'blame them' for this impertinent attitude.


Hey, you pay for it one way or another. It's either a straight cash transaction, dinner and drinks or a house or two. There ain't no such thing as free pussy.

Well, the closest thing is when it is free in a financial sense, but you pay for it in time - sucking up to her, taking care of her emotional needs, spending hours keeping her company, going hither and yon with her, reaming her various apertures, etc. As a perpetually broke mo-fo this is invariably my methodology for non P4P, and let me tell you, it is far more of a pain in the ass than just paying money.

Finrod
11-16-08, 22:31
Well, the closest thing is when it is free in a financial sense, but you pay for it in time - sucking up to her, taking care of her emotional needs, spending hours keeping her company, going hither and yon with her, reaming her various apertures, etc. As a perpetually broke mo-fo this is invariably my methodology for non P4P, and let me tell you, it is far more of a pain in the ass than just paying money.
Perhaps you should have thought about that before you took your low-paying position? Does "no money, no honey" ring a bell? Just saying ...

On the bright side, everyone knows whose posts to look for when researching budget p4p. At least thanks for showing us that side of LOS.

Terry Terrier
11-17-08, 00:50
I have to say only persons from a very conformist culture would hate someone because he did 'not care what others think'. I also have to say that those of us from non-conformist traditions would in fact 'blame them' for this impertinent attitude.

And this blame culture seems to be almost entirely Bangkok-originated and based. I always offer ultra-polite condescension to such nouveaux bigotry. It's pathetic to the point of being comically so to those of us who don't have to kowtow to it.

Opebo
11-17-08, 07:51
Perhaps you should have thought about that before you took your low-paying position?

Alas without my 'low-paying position', Finrod, I would have no money at all!

M P Lurker
11-17-08, 08:40
Well, the closest thing is when it is free in a financial sense, but you pay for it in time - sucking up to her, taking care of her emotional needs, spending hours keeping her company, going hither and yon with her, reaming her various apertures, etc. As a perpetually broke mo-fo this is invariably my methodology for non P4P, and let me tell you, it is far more of a pain in the ass than just paying money.
Who would ever have thought you would be prepared to do anything for the lady's enjoyment.

Opebo
11-18-08, 18:14
Who would ever have thought you would be prepared to do anything for the lady's enjoyment.

I really don't think 'enjoyment' is precisely the word for what the ladies get out of relationships, M.L. Words like 'reassurance' or 'fulfillment' are more apropos, or perhaps even 'crutch'.

What ever it is it certainly sucks the life out of you compared to good old P4P. Like I always say, if P4P wasn't better than the alternative, they wouldn't be trying so hard to stamp it out.

Warbucks
11-18-08, 19:41
I really don't think 'enjoyment' is precisely the word for what the ladies get out of relationships, M.L. Words like 'reassurance' or 'fulfillment' are more apropos, or perhaps even 'crutch'.

What ever it is it certainly sucks the life out of you compared to good old P4P. Like I always say, if P4P wasn't better than the alternative, they wouldn't be trying so hard to stamp it out.

I agree 100 O and in some relationships its vice versa some guys get all those things out of their ole lady instead of being self-reliant.

M P Lurker
11-19-08, 02:54
i really don't think 'enjoyment' is precisely the word for what the ladies get out of relationships, m.l. words like 'reassurance' or 'fulfillment' are more apropos, or perhaps even 'crutch'.

what ever it is it certainly sucks the life out of you compared to good old p4p. like i always say, if p4p wasn't better than the alternative, they wouldn't be trying so hard to stamp it out.
i am suffering serious "withdrawal" symptoms are leaving los just over 1 week ago.

yes, this weekend i thought was going to get a few sex sessions with new gik/semi-gf (not p4p but still ends up costing time and money). in the end i got only 1 round of good sex on friday evening.
late friday evening she ate prawns and got gastro and so out of action for the rest of the weekend.
having just one girl just isn't enough. several backup girls are definitely needed.

so i go back to being frustrated for the remainder of the weekend. a least a wank isn't expensive.

its hard to find a regular girl that is horny enough to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me at least once per day, and sometimes more, but is not a psycho case.

we need a society where polygamy is the excepted norm.
why do humans fight the basic animal instinct to fuck around?

Kuratla
11-19-08, 05:28
Why do humans fight the basic animal instinct to fuck around?- Self-preservation (ie, from knife-wielding crazy Thai gfs)

- Catholic guilt (for those of us raised in that organization)

- Worried about losing their wives / families

- General social taboo

To name a few.

Dardo
11-19-08, 07:03
Dear Mongers,

I've already stayed at Samui, Thailand for 1 month and I'm planning to stay several months more.

Mostly spend all the week working, and go out looking for girls about 2 days. (also more days, but just a beer or 2). I was thinking about finding a girl to have a "soft" relationship, and see her some days every week.

Just have fun, but also some frienship and caring.

What do you think? Good idea, not? Doable? Any advice?

Up to now I've been with several girls, but for one reason or another I've decided to not meet with them again. I liked one, but it just didn't work so I've stopped seeing her as well.

Regards,

Dardo

Opebo
11-19-08, 15:09
Why do humans fight the basic animal instinct to fuck around?

No doubt because of another base animal instinct - to have power over others. Women just want to control men. It is that simple.

Piper1
11-19-08, 18:07
No doubt because of another base animal instinct - to have power over others. Women just want to control men. It is that simple.So you've met my wife. :D

Too bad I'm still undomesticated.

Seydlitz
11-19-08, 20:23
No doubt because of another base animal instinct - to have power over others. Women just want to control men. It is that simple.

More to the point, they want to control their own future, for which a man is very useful.

Warbucks
12-17-08, 12:19
Taken From Stickman's website....


Stickman's thoughts:

So you think she is different, right?! She has a modest education yet she speaks supposedly fluent English? Where did she learn, I wonder? She went home with men from a disco for money? So she already made the decision to sell her body! Even if she may have stopped quickly, she still made the initial decision which, I am sorry to say, does say something about her character. It is NOT like she has children of her own to support. You see, that is a big red flag to me. I understand and am sympathetic to a mother who turns to prostitution to support her own children. But when a young woman with no children enters the industry then you have to start asking questions about just what their motivation was.

Of course there are some positives there. If what you say is true about her being particularly clever, this is a most unusual girl. My advice at this stage would be to get an opinion about her from others. Who, I don't know. There is something that just doesn't feel right about everything. Putting you ahead of her mother, for example, is MOST unThai!

NicFrenchy
12-18-08, 01:33
Taken From Stickman's website....


Stickman's thoughts:


My reading stops here. Stickman's opinion while it might be informative to newbies is totally worthless to someone leaving here. We know better.

How can someone read the P4P's opinion of a man who does not even go to the massage adn bars? Forget stickman, his website used to be ok but now he is out of date.

Member #3428
12-18-08, 01:37
is totally worthless to someone leaving here. We know better.

So when are you leaving?

Sorry Nic... but I think you mean LIVING not LEAVING ;) ;)

Daddy07
12-18-08, 01:56
Taken From Stickman's website....


Stickman's thoughts:

So you think she is different, right?! She has a modest education yet she speaks supposedly fluent English? Where did she learn, I wonder? She went home with men from a disco for money? So she already made the decision to sell her body! Even if she may have stopped quickly, she still made the initial decision which, I am sorry to say, does say something about her character. It is NOT like she has children of her own to support. You see, that is a big red flag to me. I understand and am sympathetic to a mother who turns to prostitution to support her own children. But when a young woman with no children enters the industry then you have to start asking questions about just what their motivation was.

Of course there are some positives there. If what you say is true about her being particularly clever, this is a most unusual girl. My advice at this stage would be to get an opinion about her from others. Who, I don't know. There is something that just doesn't feel right about everything. Putting you ahead of her mother, for example, is MOST unThai!

Stickman, like most of us, enjoys mongering, i.e, fucking multiple girls and paying them money for the privilege. What does that say about HIS character? IMHO, lying, cheating and stealing reveals far more about a persons character than sexual promiscuity.

Why are some guys so quick to condemn a woman for bad character simply because sheís willing to fuck for money, while they can pay for multiple encounters and still considere themselves paragons of virtue?

NicFrenchy
12-18-08, 03:43
So when are you leaving?

Sorry Nic... but I think you mean LIVING not LEAVING ;) ;)

Yes, I meant "Living". Thanks for pointing my mistake :)

Member #3428
12-18-08, 03:45
Yes, I meant "Living". Thanks for pointing my mistake :)

Didn't think you were ready to leave yet... be there in two weeks maybe this time we'll finally catch that drink sometime....

M P Lurker
12-18-08, 04:37
My reading stops here. Stickman's opinion while it might be informative to newbies is totally worthless to someone leaving here. We know better.

How can someone read the P4P's opinion of a man who does not even go to the massage adn bars? Forget stickman, his website used to be ok but now he is out of date.
I agree. Stickman quote shows he is not worth a read.

He doesn't even appear to know that there are many family members to support not including her kids, starting with her mother and father.

Member #3428
12-18-08, 04:41
I agree. Stickman quote shows he is not worth a read.

He doesn't even appear to know that there are many family members to support not including her kids, starting with her mother and father.


He did have a good report about how to take money out of a Thai bank account... In case you wanted to take funds from your TGF's (or a girl you were sponsoring) bank account.

TripleX
12-21-08, 10:45
So I was on another forum and see a girl I spent about 2 weeks with while I was in Pattaya and read the report of her having a threesome with this fat english kid and another chick at her bar and doing all the dirty things she was so reluctant to do with me. The result, man I am jealous and just a bit nauseous. The time I spent with her was total magic and while I knew she was back there giving BBBJ's to foreigners it never really hit home til I read this report. Where is the justice, I mean I spent all that time breaking her in and everybody else gets to reap the benefits while I am stuck here in the states. Kidding aside I really did fall for her and feel pretty shitty right now. Not sure why I posted this except that there is not too many places you can go to talk about how upset you are that the w-hore (in the best sense of the word) you spent your vacation with is opening all her holes up to other dudes. Well, most of you probably don't have this problem and would rather get on to meaningful reports so happy mongering to all of you.

NicFrenchy
12-22-08, 01:34
TripleX,

I am sorry to hear that you feel down. Maybe it is time to come back to LOS and have a great time sampling many many girls?

I may sound like a bastardbut, I am not sure what it is with Farangs growing love for hookers. Why can't we keep it as a "business" relationship?
You have a wonderful time with you "illusional" girlfriend for a couple hours, pay and bye bye, no feelings involved. Then if you want to fuck her again, then repeat the above ad nauseum.

Trust me, these girls know exactly which buttons to press and would make you believe almost anything.

Look, I am not sure what good can one expect from a relationship with a girl that has sucked hundreds of cocks? Get over her, and get over here, plenty of girls to do threesomes ;)

Member #3428
12-22-08, 01:52
The result, man I am jealous and just a bit nauseous. The time I spent with her was total magic and while I knew she was back there giving BBBJ's to foreigners it never really hit home til I read this report. Where is the justice, I mean I spent all that time breaking her in and everybody else gets to reap the benefits while I am stuck here in the states.

Don't feel so bad you spent two weeks with a girl and had a good time, remember that and ignore the rest. It's what they do and who they are. Just accept it and move on.

Goyave
12-22-08, 02:16
So I was on another forum and see a girl I spent about 2 weeks with while I was in Pattaya and read the report of her having a threesome with this fat english kid and another chick at her bar and doing all the dirty things she was so reluctant to do with me. The result, man I am jealous and just a bit nauseous. The time I spent with her was total magic and while I knew she was back there giving BBBJ's to foreigners it never really hit home til I read this report. Where is the justice, I mean I spent all that time breaking her in and everybody else gets to reap the benefits while I am stuck here in the states. Kidding aside I really did fall for her and feel pretty shitty right now. Not sure why I posted this except that there is not too many places you can go to talk about how upset you are that the w-hore (in the best sense of the word) you spent your vacation with is opening all her holes up to other dudes. Well, most of you probably don't have this problem and would rather get on to meaningful reports so happy mongering to all of you.I feel sorry for you but I am with NicFrenchy on this one. Remember that you pay for sex and not for love. If you fell in love with a girl working in the P4P scene, you can't seriously expect abstinence and faithfulness from her when you are back home thousands miles away.

And "sponsoring" the girl does not prevent the (more or less) generous contributor encountering the same misfortune than yours... or being cheated as well but unknowingly during many months (and even years). I don't know if you were sponsoring her (I hope you did not), but at least, your report can serve as a warning to those who do.

I and probably most of ISG members here regularly fuck girls who have one or several sponsors. If you are in love with one of these P4P girls, you must live with her on a daily basis, in Thailand or in your home country, period. If you canít, itís better to favor variety which helps to avoid falling in love with one girl.

M P Lurker
12-22-08, 03:01
So I was on another forum and see a girl I spent about 2 weeks with while I was in Pattaya and read the report of her having a threesome with this fat english kid and another chick at her bar and doing all the dirty things she was so reluctant to do with me. The result, man I am jealous and just a bit nauseous. The time I spent with her was total magic and while I knew she was back there giving BBBJ's to foreigners it never really hit home til I read this report. Where is the justice, I mean I spent all that time breaking her in and everybody else gets to reap the benefits while I am stuck here in the states. Kidding aside I really did fall for her and feel pretty shitty right now. Not sure why I posted this except that there is not too many places you can go to talk about how upset you are that the w-hore (in the best sense of the word) you spent your vacation with is opening all her holes up to other dudes. Well, most of you probably don't have this problem and would rather get on to meaningful reports so happy mongering to all of you.
Thinking about what a girl ever did with someone else while you were not there is a sickness that most people suffer.
After long experience I am virtually immune from it.
Jealousy is an absolute "curse".

The main thing should be that the girl stays safe, doesn't do drugs, gambling etc.

Its more important how she treats you. That is what you should think about. Does she make time for you when you are there. If you are not there and not supporting her, she must do other things.

I know a great girl who does anal but as she doesn't get turned on by it (its just a task). I don't even ask her for it. We just do things that are mutually pleasurable.

Warbucks
12-22-08, 04:17
So I was on another forum and see a girl I spent about 2 weeks with while I was in Pattaya and read the report of her having a threesome with this fat english kid and another chick at her bar and doing all the dirty things she was so reluctant to do with me. The result, man I am jealous and just a bit nauseous. The time I spent with her was total magic and while I knew she was back there giving BBBJ's to foreigners it never really hit home til I read this report. Where is the justice, I mean I spent all that time breaking her in and everybody else gets to reap the benefits while I am stuck here in the states. Kidding aside I really did fall for her and feel pretty shitty right now. Not sure why I posted this except that there is not too many places you can go to talk about how upset you are that the w-hore (in the best sense of the word) you spent your vacation with is opening all her holes up to other dudes. Well, most of you probably don't have this problem and would rather get on to meaningful reports so happy mongering to all of you.

That Boy Nic is right. Remember the three Fs. Find them, fuck them and flee. I must admit sometimes a girl may give you a mind blowing night as I experienced two months ago in Bangkok. Do I want to fuck this young lady again? Yes. Do I care what she is doing now or want to start a relationship with her? Um NO!

Stick to the script...

TripleX
12-22-08, 06:06
Hey all, wow didnít even expect any replies. Believe me I had no illusions of a true relationship or what she was doing, it was just a fantasy. She was great though and I really enjoyed spending the time with her. I enjoy spending time with a single girl I really like for a long time. I have had 3 trips to Thailand though and fell for a different girl each time especially the first and third. I had time before meeting each of them to screw around with other chicks. This last one may get a return visit from me though, but maybe this time I will take Nicís advice and get her to bring her roommate along who is cute as hell also. But I have to say I am confounded in exactly the opposite manner as you Nic, I donít understand how anyone could not have feelings for some of these girls. Oh well canít wait for the next trip, should be in August.

NicFrenchy
12-22-08, 06:46
not really sure where to post this so i will post it here:

this is the first part of a 2 parts report, i can't complete it now because i don't have the time but i hope you can still capture the flavor from this small introduction:

as promised, the story of my 53 y old "mature" lady

amuse bouche

it all started in bed… my gik and i just finished a tiring morning sex and as i laid on the sheets, naked, she cuddled and whispered “i need a new dress”. i am not sure who came up with the idea that men’s weakest moments are right after a sex session, well, that isn’t untrue! i just told her “no problem, we can go shopping, i will pay for your dress”. seeing her smile from ear to ear, filled with excitement, the same as a 5 year old girl to whom you would tell she will get the latest barbie doll, she pressed me to get moving.

a little play in the shower, makeup for her, shave for me and we were on our way.

appetizer

for obvious reasons, i will not disclose the shopping location but, let’s say it is a place where very little farangs go. she stopped to one of the stands and tried on a few dresses (those “in fashion” one piece garments), constantly laughing with the sales lady. she did hesitate very long between 3 dresses, asking me which one i preferred, i think she was playing the game of me buying more than 1 and it worked: i bought all 3 dresses for a mere 900thb total.

as we left the shop, my gik told me that the sales lady really liked me, she told her that if she was 20 years younger she would probably have tried to steal me from her. was it an ego stroking conversation? i am not sure as the sales lady, a very fit, nice boobs, slim woman was eyeing me and smiling constantly as my girl was trying on her dresses.

i thought to myself “am i that big a horndog to go back there and explore things further?” you bet i am!

i went back to the shop and there she was! for the first time i looked at her with “hungry eyes” and she was even sexier than i remembered. she was quite surprised to see me and i did not want to make it obvious i was there to check her out (how weird would that make me?) so i pretended i was here to buy one more dress for my gik. i insisted on the word “gik” and it made her laugh, she (in a pretty fair english) asked me if i know what is a gik: “yes” was my answer.

we looked at a few dresses and got talking about thailand, bangkok, the latest incidents, thai and farangs… when i told her that this was not a conversation we should have in her shop but maybe have coffee somewhere. she froze. i don’t think she consider that i was attracted to her, not even a little bit. i told her it’s ok, she does not have to accept, i can understand that she is busy and that her business is important. she was still speechless. then, in a very low voice, almost whispering, “ok” she said.

she said she cannot go to dinner with me because not good for many people see her with “farang” and maybe think bad, so she invited me to her place in ladprao (now what a coincidence! remember the “big girl from camfrog”?). i told her i would bring some wine and she said she would like that.

i could not believe it, was ladpro going to become my “fetish” destination? (fat, old… now the only thing that is left is a ladyboy!)

Lover Boy #2
12-22-08, 07:20
So I was on another forum and see a girl I spent about 2 weeks with while I was in Pattaya and read the report of her having a threesome with this fat english kid and another chick at her bar and doing all the dirty things she was so reluctant to do with me. The result, man I am jealous and just a bit nauseous. The time I spent with her was total magic and while I knew she was back there giving BBBJ's to foreigners it never really hit home til I read this report. Where is the justice, I mean I spent all that time breaking her in and everybody else gets to reap the benefits while I am stuck here in the states. Kidding aside I really did fall for her and feel pretty shitty right now. Not sure why I posted this except that there is not too many places you can go to talk about how upset you are that the w-hore (in the best sense of the word) you spent your vacation with is opening all her holes up to other dudes. Well, most of you probably don't have this problem and would rather get on to meaningful reports so happy mongering to all of you.

I feel for ya man......try this for an even worse situation;

I had a much longer relationship with a girl (I met her working in a shop earlier in her life....then I saw her working in a soapy). I took her from the soapy and had her living with me, as I was working on a long term contract. I asked her what happened to her.....and why was she doing this. I got all the answers that one would want to hear.....no money, no loom....blah, blah, blah. I stayed with her for over a year. I paid for everything of course.....I didn't pay her any money though (in retrospect maybe this was a mistake?). I went by the theory that if you are paying them, they are prostitutes....so she had a great life living at my condo, driving my car......etc., etc....I took care of everything.

It comes time for me to take a business trip to Germany. I leave her with enough money to take care of anything possible...in addition to an atm card to an account with limited funds.

To make a long story short...I am looking at another forum the following week and there is a picture of her (innocent photo...not innocent copy)......with a farang describing how she was a great shag.....but asked for some extra funds for anal.

I have to admit that although I am quite experienced at this game....I was a bit shocked and hurt. I called her....of course I got the standard....."I stay our loom...watch TV". I told her to remove herself from my condo, leave the car keys with the doorman....and have a great life. She tried to explain that she needed money for a reason she could not discuss. I told her.....OK...just leave. She left the condo and the keys with the doorman.

When I got back to Thailand...I unfortunately ran into her at a nighclub and the drama started. I realized at this point that she was a complete nutcase....albeit a great looking one....probably the best looking TG I have ever seen. In my weakness....I took her back........it was a great couple of weeks......she then told me that she didn't love me anymore. I told her that people like her probably never love anyone but themselves. She left the next day........

She has called me a total of 27 times......I see her # come up and ignore. She had her sister call me.....I told her I cannot operate like this....and goodbye to both of you.

I must admit my heart was broken by this entire matter.......but I am getting over it.........I will never get involved with one of these characters again. This is not the first time something like this has happened. I am going strictly amateur for the love story aspect of life. These girls are great for fun....but you have to be like a Thai man....and have nothing to do with them other than the sex.....pay.....leave!!

M P Lurker
12-22-08, 07:27
(Fat, oldÖ now the only thing that is left is a ladyboy!)
Just choked on my cup of coffee up my nostrils. :eek:

Do the mother and daugther combo first. That will keep you searching for a little while. :D

NicFrenchy
12-22-08, 07:50
I am going strictly amateur for the love story aspect of life. These girls are great for fun....but you have to be like a Thai man....and have nothing to do with them other than the sex.....pay.....leave!!

Thank you! That is exactly my view. Fun Fun Fun... and then bye bye.
My dick is 1000% for them, my heart isn't.

Terry Terrier
12-22-08, 08:21
Nic,

Great report. Surely you are way too young for the ladyboy experience? Listen to Uncle Mick's sage advice :D.

Adelante Siempre
12-22-08, 08:45
Just choked on my cup of coffee up my nostrils. :eek:

Do the mother and daugther combo first. That will keep you searching for a little while. :D


Can you get mother daughter combo in BKK or PTY ?
In Peru it's not too hard to arrange one, how about here?

TripleX
12-22-08, 12:38
Wel Nic if it is a ladyboy next time please spare us the story. =) What is the puncuation you use for a puking face.

Man loverboy thanks for the empathetic response, I feel much better. That is a harsh story, my silly story pales in comparison. Hearing your situation really makes one think about ever taking a chance on someone. For a girl to do that after taking her in like you did is stupid and heartless to boot. I mean I think a lot of guys would have a problem taking in a bargirl cause of the stigma attached with it, she must have had a screw loose to fuck up that situation.

M P Lurker
12-22-08, 14:42
Can you get mother daughter combo in BKK or PTY ?
In Peru it's not too hard to arrange one, how about here?
BKK is code for Bangkok Airport but loosely used for Bangkok.
PTY is the IATA Airport code for Tocumen International Airport, Panama's busiest airport.
But I suppose you mean Pattaya.
So not sure why people start using this for Pattaya????
:confused: ;)

In the Thai Language, SMSers sometimes drop tone marks and words are still intelligible, but drop the vowels and words become completely unintelligible nonsense. This is the big difference in character from English.

Adelante Siempre
12-22-08, 15:57
i am not going there. however, as most thais are fairly conservative--at least in public-- i would not expect to find mother/daughter combinations that prevalent. granted that you can find just about anything for a price, what you get is not the same thing as what you expect.
brother-sister [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) is not unheard of in thailand as i have been told.
so, there is some kinkiness built into the genes here.
the question is, does that kinkiness extend to a mother and her daughter going to bed together with the boyfriend. for example, in santa cruz, bolivia there was a city ordinance passed that prohibits threesomes with mother and daughter. the practice is fairly prevalent there. of course the ordinance does not prevent the practicing of it much. as we all know, a threesome is much more interesting when all of the parties are "into it."
i am wondering if there are mothers and daughters in thailand who would be genuinely into it. are there cultural experts out there on the sexual habits, mores, of the native population in thailand, who could answer that question?
thanks.

Lover Boy #2
12-23-08, 06:48
i am not going there. however, as most thais are fairly conservative--at least in public-- i would not expect to find mother/daughter combinations that prevalent. granted that you can find just about anything for a price, what you get is not the same thing as what you expect.
brother-sister [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) is not unheard of in thailand as i have been told.
so, there is some kinkiness built into the genes here.
the question is, does that kinkiness extend to a mother and her daughter going to bed together with the boyfriend. for example, in santa cruz, bolivia there was a city ordinance passed that prohibits threesomes with mother and daughter. the practice is fairly prevalent there. of course the ordinance does not prevent the practicing of it much. as we all know, a threesome is much more interesting when all of the parties are "into it."
i am wondering if there are mothers and daughters in thailand who would be genuinely into it. are there cultural experts out there on the sexual habits, mores, of the native population in thailand, who could answer that question?
thanks.

i think this is going to be very difficult to find in thailand.....i have quite a few years of experience living in thailand....a lot of that time out of bangkok. i don't want to go into a million reasons.....it is just that this type of thing is not very interesting to thais...and most farangs. who really wants to have sex with the old lady....with all her body problems?? once tg's reach into their 40's....a lot of them would not interest anyone....they don't (for the most part...i know there are exceptions) look at themselves as sex magnets in their 40's. as far as having sex with their daughter present....i just don't think so. you might find some drug addict who would agree to this.....but they will think you are a pervert....and a bad time will be had....i think. also, the daughter might be forced into something she does not want to do. it can cause a real mess. also, thais are not so open about sex in the first place...so i don't think this is going to work here.....just my opinion.

M P Lurker
12-23-08, 07:22
brother-sister [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) is not unheard of in thailand as i have been told.

not so uncommon in south america, i'm told, but probably far more uncommon and unaccepted in asia.

M P Lurker
12-23-08, 07:27
Once TG's reach into their 40's....a lot of them would not interest anyone....they don't (for the most part...I know there are exceptions) look at themselves as sex magnets in their 40's.
I know a couple of 40s girls still very do-able.
The faces have started to go down hill but bodies still quite good (in some cases).
I have had two sisters (not concurrently) , and nearly got a chance with ex daughter in law of one of them.

But I think doing mother and daughter at the same time would be very difficult to achieve in Thailand.

Daddy07
12-23-08, 07:40
I...Who really wants to have sex with the old lady....with all her body problems??...
Hummm ... Mr. Nic, perhaps. We're told he likes them ripe into their 50's :D

NicFrenchy
12-23-08, 07:42
Who really wants to have sex with the old lady....with all her body problems?? Once TG's reach into their 40's....a lot of them would not interest anyone....

Well, I fucked a 53 years old Thai lady last week... so what does that make me?

Eaglestar
12-23-08, 07:44
Well, I fucked a 53 years old Thai lady last week... so what does that make me?

In my books it makes you damn smart.

ES

Daddy07
12-23-08, 07:50
Well, I fucked a 53 years old Thai lady last week... so what does that make me?
That makes you late on the second installment of your report. You left off just before the good part.

Adelante Siempre
12-23-08, 09:19
Hummm ... Mr. Nic, perhaps. We're told he likes them ripe into their 50's :D

Thanks to all for the background info.
I think a 40/20 combination age-wise is acceptable to me.

Any ideas about some kinky hill tribes in Northern Thailand maybe?

Too much in-breeding is not good. It looks like some of them could stand some infusion of outside genes. So, if you hear about a rash of pregnancies up north, I may just have passed through there. Just joking.

That's another thought. Does anyone have experience with women of the hill tribes. I don't mind them begging in Chiang Mai, but they should at least dispense a blow job for the tip.

M P Lurker
12-23-08, 10:15
Thanks to all for the background info.
I think a 40/20 combination age-wise is acceptable to me.

Any ideas about some kinky hill tribes in Northern Thailand maybe?

Too much in-breeding is not good. It looks like some of them could stand some infusion of outside genes. So, if you hear about a rash of pregnancies up north, I may just have passed through there. Just joking.

That's another thought. Does anyone have experience with women of the hill tribes. I don't mind them begging in Chiang Mai, but they should at least dispense a blow job for the tip.
So all this is just wild fantasy and speculation.

Are you actually planning a trip to Thailand just to tick off some fantasies?

Adelante Siempre
12-23-08, 10:33
So all this is just wild fantasy and speculation.

Are you actually planning a trip to Thailand just to tick off some fantasies?
I am in Bangkok now and have been for some time. I am also curious about what this city has to offer other than the places along Sukhumvit. Some places further out from the center.
I slept in a Lhisu village once, but I was with a girlfriend whom I needed to translate so I could not play around then.
AS

Dextro Sol
12-23-08, 14:40
How smart am I? I'm a married man and this November was my wifes and mine 4th time in Thailand.

In November last year I went to Darling in BKK and had a session with a very nice girl. I posted a report here about it.

This November I went back and had the same girl. She was very pleased to see me and we and a great time for 90 minutes. Last day in Thailand, while my wife took some manicure, I went back to see her one more time, and now it felt like we had been together for a long time. I had her mobile number and she got mine. We looked at pictures in each others cameras.

Home, in my cold homeland again, I sent her an sms, and had the answer nearly right away. We have been sms: ing for nearly three weeks now and yesterday I phoned her after she finished work. We talked for 40 minutes and I'm so happy.

She wants me to come down to Thailand sometime in spring and I want too. But my wife would never let me go by my own. So I'm planning to just buy me a ticket and leave. Leave a note to my wife and tell her where I have gone.

My whole body is aching for this girl and I can't eat. I smoke to much and of course. Send her lots of sms.

While we were talking yesterday she said she loves me a little. Only a little because I am married.

OK guys. Judge me now. Am I insane or what?

Warbucks
12-23-08, 16:28
How smart am I? I'm a married man and this November was my wifes and mine 4th time in Thailand.

In November last year I went to Darling in BKK and had a session with a very nice girl. I posted a report here about it.

This November I went back and had the same girl. She was very pleased to see me and we and a great time for 90 minutes. Last day in Thailand, while my wife took some manicure, I went back to see her one more time, and now it felt like we had been together for a long time. I had her mobile number and she got mine. We looked at pictures in each others cameras.

Home, in my cold homeland again, I sent her an sms, and had the answer nearly right away. We have been sms: ing for nearly three weeks now and yesterday I phoned her after she finished work. We talked for 40 minutes and I'm so happy.

She wants me to come down to Thailand sometime in spring and I want too. But my wife would never let me go by my own. So I'm planning to just buy me a ticket and leave. Leave a note to my wife and tell her where I have gone.

My whole body is aching for this girl and I can't eat. I smoke to much and of course. Send her lots of sms.

While we were talking yesterday she said she loves me a little. Only a little because I am married.

OK guys. Judge me now. Am I insane or what?

Dude I donít like stereotyping but if you got a western wife stick with her. As long as she is not fat and bitchy. I jumped over to Asia thinking the grass was greener it is not. A lot of the women are just less intelligent. When you go after the educated independent variety in Asia they are no different than their western sisters. Japan, Korea, Thailand, Uzbekistan, Dubai, and Philippine experience talkingÖ.

Yeah sure sex is widely available but itís from women who in all aspects are children in grown women bodies. Wake up mayne before you divorce the wife and sale the houseÖ.

Before someone open up with the flame thrower this is my opinion from my observationsÖ.

NicFrenchy
12-23-08, 16:49
Am I insane or what?

Of course not! Let me give you a few pointers:

Sms's are great, and I am sure that she loves you even more than she says! (Thai women are shy and never reveal such feelings, expecially not to Foreigners). I strongly suggest you send her some money every month to prove your love to her.

Next spring, when you come to Bangkok, she will introduce you to her Family, and especially her brother. They live together because he is poor, you know, so in the next appartment you share with her, in Bangkok, he will stay in the second room. Sometimes, when you are not there, he will make sure she is sexually satisfied by giving her a good fucking, while drinking the beer you paid for with the monthly allowance.

NicFrenchy
12-23-08, 16:56
That makes you late on the second installment of your report. You left off just before the good part.

Yes, I am sorry, the report will come this week for sure :)

M P Lurker
12-24-08, 01:38
How smart am I? I'm a married man and this November was my wifes and mine 4th time in Thailand....

While we were talking yesterday she said she loves me a little. Only a little because I am married.

OK guys. Judge me now. Am I insane or what?
Many marriages have been destroyed, once the happy couple went to Thailand.

My marraige survived the trip to Thaland, but was destined to fail 4 years later anyway. I started to learn Thai language not long after that. LOL

Daddy07
12-24-08, 01:50
...OK guys. Judge me now. Am I insane or what?
No, of course you are not insane ... just a little gob smacked maybe. :)

My advice: Think hard before jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

Giotto
12-24-08, 04:03
...
She wants me to come down to Thailand sometime in spring and I want too. But my wife would never let me go by my own. So I'm planning to just buy me a ticket and leave. Leave a note to my wife and tell her where I have gone.
...
Dextro Sol,

Don't !!!


Giotto

Member #3428
12-24-08, 04:13
While we were talking yesterday she said she loves me a little. Only a little because I am married.

It's fine to holiday there if your marriage can survive this (most would not probably), but running away and leaving a note is crazy.

We all talk to Thai Girls and they all want us to return quick quick, love only us, and wait for each of us and only us. They are saying this to 10 different guys at the same time.

Sometimes I wish I never got sent to BKK for work in the first place because now I look forward to returning too much. Take a deep breath and relax.. it's not real.

Giotto
12-24-08, 04:42
...
Sms's are great, and I am sure that she loves you even more than she says! (Thai women are shy and never reveal such feelings, expecially not to Foreigners). I strongly suggest you send her some money every month to prove your love to her.

Next spring, when you come to Bangkok, she will introduce you to her Family, and especially her brother. They live together because he is poor, you know, so in the next appartment you share with her, in Bangkok, he will stay in the second room. Sometimes, when you are not there, he will make sure she is sexually satisfied by giving her a good fucking, while drinking the beer you paid for with the monthly allowance.NicFrenchy,

You are a real Bastard! Nothing else to do than mixing up the minds of innocent Thailand tourists?

BTW: Most likely the "brother" will drink Mekong :). And he really needs a motorbike!


Giotto

Lover Boy #2
12-24-08, 06:49
How smart am I? I'm a married man and this November was my wifes and mine 4th time in Thailand.

In November last year I went to Darling in BKK and had a session with a very nice girl. I posted a report here about it.

This November I went back and had the same girl. She was very pleased to see me and we and a great time for 90 minutes. Last day in Thailand, while my wife took some manicure, I went back to see her one more time, and now it felt like we had been together for a long time. I had her mobile number and she got mine. We looked at pictures in each others cameras.

Home, in my cold homeland again, I sent her an sms, and had the answer nearly right away. We have been sms: ing for nearly three weeks now and yesterday I phoned her after she finished work. We talked for 40 minutes and I'm so happy.

She wants me to come down to Thailand sometime in spring and I want too. But my wife would never let me go by my own. So I'm planning to just buy me a ticket and leave. Leave a note to my wife and tell her where I have gone.

My whole body is aching for this girl and I can't eat. I smoke to much and of course. Send her lots of sms.

While we were talking yesterday she said she loves me a little. Only a little because I am married.

OK guys. Judge me now. Am I insane or what?

Don't do this.......your heart and head will ache.....your life will be ruined.....don't do this please!!

Lover Boy #2
12-24-08, 06:52
Well, I fucked a 53 years old Thai lady last week... so what does that make me?

Well, quite frankly it would depend on what she looked like.....and the performance....maybe she is the exception to the rule? I think you would agree that most guys in Thailand are looking for younger girls.

We are still waiting on the report!!

Lover Boy #2
12-24-08, 06:53
Dude I donít like stereotyping but if you got a western wife stick with her. As long as she is not fat and bitchy. I jumped over to Asia thinking the grass was greener it is not. A lot of the women are just less intelligent. When you go after the educated independent variety in Asia they are no different than their western sisters. Japan, Korea, Thailand, Uzbekistan, Dubai, and Philippine experience talkingÖ.

Yeah sure sex is widely available but itís from women who in all aspects are children in grown women bodies. Wake up mayne before you divorce the wife and sale the houseÖ.

Before someone open up with the flame thrower this is my opinion from my observationsÖ.

...no flamethrower coming........

Fon Tok
12-24-08, 07:03
...I had her mobile number and she got mine. We looked at pictures in each others cameras....Home, in my cold homeland again, I sent her an sms, and had the answer nearly right away. We have been sms: ing for nearly three weeks now...So I'm planning to just buy me a ticket and leave. Leave a note to my wife and tell her where I have gone...Send her lots of sms. Judge me now. Am I insane or what?
I received this SMS yesterday from my gik at the airport (BKK Swampy) as I was boarding the plane to return home for a cold holiday...

I LOVE YOU. PLEASE TAKE CARE YOUR SELF I AM CAERING FOR U. MISS U JUST ALWAYS KNOW U R SPECIAL TO ME. KISS KISS. N..

This is from a woman who does not speak English. Do you think the mobile companies sell these messages similar to the way they sell ring tones?

Oh yeah. Dextro Sol, you are insane!

Member #3428
12-24-08, 07:08
This is from a woman who does not speak English. Do you think the mobile companies sell these messages similar to the way they sell ring tones?

I do know of an SMS book of messages that you can buy all over the world even in BKK. And I know for a fact at least one MP in BKK has a notebook full of messages written out for the girls to send to their customers.

When I confronted one of the MP girls about this as she couldnt' even read her own message she brought up the book on my next visit and showed it to me. They had messages written in Thai then under it in English for the girls.

Giotto
12-24-08, 07:12
...
I LOVE YOU. PLEASE TAKE CARE YOUR SELF I AM CAERING FOR U. MISS U JUST ALWAYS KNOW U R SPECIAL TO ME. KISS KISS. N..
...
Fon Tok,

Oh ... I know this SMS, I think I wrote it :) ...


Giotto

NicFrenchy
12-24-08, 08:20
I think you would agree that most guys in Thailand are looking for younger girls.

Yes, but I do not look like most guys in Thailand ;)

and Young girls are great but I prefer them 25 up, I like a lady that when she sees a dick, she knows exactly what to do with it.

Fon Tok
12-24-08, 08:30
Fon Tok, Oh ... I know this SMS, I think I wrote it :) ... Giotto
That explains the misspelling... ;)

I miss you, too, Giotto!

Fon Tok
12-24-08, 08:33
Yes, but I do not look like most guys in Thailand ;)
A lot of guys don't look like guys in Thailand! :p

Dextro Sol
12-24-08, 09:08
Of course not! Let me give you a few pointers:

Sms's are great, and I am sure that she loves you even more than she says! (Thai women are shy and never reveal such feelings, expecially not to Foreigners). I strongly suggest you send her some money every month to prove your love to her.

Next spring, when you come to Bangkok, she will introduce you to her Family, and especially her brother. They live together because he is poor, you know, so in the next appartment you share with her, in Ba

ngkok, he will stay in the second room. Sometimes, when you are not there, he will make sure she is sexually satisfied by giving her a good fucking, while drinking the beer you paid for with the monthly allowance.Nic,

Thanks for your honest answer to my post. I feel very confident now. I had a few doubts before, but now I feel better. I have already asked her for her bank account # as you said to be sure to do everything by the book.

Only one thing. She says she only have two sisters. Do you think she is not telling me the truth?

Ok Nic. Just joking above. I have read about everything about thai girls ways of scamming farangs, and have read Private Dancer as well. Do you really mean all girls in buisness are like that? Could there not be any exception?

Flyhere
12-24-08, 12:10
I received this SMS yesterday from my gik at the airport (BKK Swampy) as I was boarding the plane to return home for a cold holiday...

I LOVE YOU. PLEASE TAKE CARE YOUR SELF I AM CAERING FOR U. MISS U JUST ALWAYS KNOW U R SPECIAL TO ME. KISS KISS. N..

This is from a woman who does not speak English. Do you think the mobile companies sell these messages similar to the way they sell ring tones?...
LOL...I took one of my ex-favorites and another girl out to dinner. The other girl got an sms from her regular, so she started to type a reply, then showed it to me and asked if it was correct English, also how to say certain things, so I gave her a couple of romantic phrases.

Sorry I didn't see the misspelling...;)

A true story:
I was at a travel agency, talking to this woman about a ticket. There were 2 other girls behind the counter looking at the computer screen.

One of the girls interrupted my travel agent, and asked what "B A B Y" means. The 3 of them were chatting online to the agent's boyfriend or Gik apparently. My travel agent told her friends to type in "I love you too baby" for her, then looked at me and laughed embarrasingly.

Fon Tok
12-24-08, 12:53
I do know of an SMS book of messages that you can buy all over the world even in BKK. And I know for a fact at least one MP in BKK has a notebook full of messages written out for the girls to send to their customers. When I confronted one of the MP girls about this as she couldnt' even read her own message she brought up the book on my next visit and showed it to me. They had messages written in Thai then under it in English for the girls.
That reminds me of my second trip to Thailand back in Summer '06. I rendezvoused with Ta, who I'd met earlier in the year, and while staying on Koh Lanta she took me to meet two of her friends. Her friends, a couple of older, haggard looking ex-bargirls, had a book on the table entitled, How to Write Love Letters in English. Seems they had quite a racket "coaching" other women on how to play the game.

Interestingly, there was a crazed, tattooed, drunk Englishman staying there. If I remember correctly he said he was "on the dole" back home. The younger of the two hags, the one with only one eye, had him firmly by the bullocks (and wallet). To this day I remember that entire strange scene as I pass by the Khlong Nin resort on a regular basis.

This experience was possibly the best thing that ever happened to me in Thailand as early on I saw with my own eyes what the game was. Shortly thereafter Ta was history. One too many times she asked, "you buy me house?"


LOL...I took one of my ex-favorites and another girl out to dinner. The other girl got an sms from her regular, so she started to type a reply, then showed it to me and asked if it was correct English, also how to say certain things, so I gave her a couple of romantic phrases. Sorry I didn't see the misspelling...
Flyhere, you're such a romantic...

M P Lurker
12-24-08, 13:35
.... How to Write Love Letters in English. Seems they had quite a racket "coaching" other women on how to play the game.

The bar girls have always liked that I can speak Thai. Not so much these days (I think English skills are improving), but plenty of times in the past they would bring letters or SMSes (from there BFs/sponsers) to me to get free translation into Thai.
Sometimes I was translating bad English written by Japanese gentlemen. Sometimes I woul have to tell them what to reply as well.

Flyhere
12-24-08, 14:13
ok, essential SMS phrases for both guys and girls, yet to be published in my next guide book.

I want to stay here longer - yaak yuu tao eek noi
I will bring you home - phom ja song khun klap baan
when can I meet you again? ja phop khun eek mue arai?
see you soon - rao phop kan eek
take care - duulae tua eng duai na
I am crazy for you - phom khlang khlai nai tua khun
I love you - phom rak khun
you are beautiful - khun suai jang loei
you are handsome - khun lao jang loei
I want to stay with you - phom yaak yuu kap khun
I will call you from America - phom ja thoh haa khun jaak amerika
I miss you - khit thueng khun

more practical SMS:
I miss you so much, don't forget to send money
I miss you so much, the car payment is due this week

and for the romantic type:

I miss you mak mak
I love you mak mak
You are so beautiful
You are so handsome
I think about you all the time
I will always love you
You are special to me
Forget me not
Don't cry, I'll be back soon
I am waiting for your return, will try not to cry

M P Lurker
12-24-08, 15:39
...

I want to stay here longer - yaak yuu dtor eek noi
....
I am crazy for you - phom khlang khlai nai tua khun
...
you are handsome - khun lor jang loei

I have heard of "baa khlang" (crazy) but "khlang khlai" I might have to look up in the dictionary. Too advanced for me.

I changed your "ao" to "or" ( as in lord) in 2 places as I think most people would think "ao" sounds like "ou" (as in loud) which would not be the right sound in these cases.

Flyhere
12-24-08, 15:46
I have heard of "baa khlang" (crazy) but "khlang khlai" I might have to look up in the dictionary. Too advanced for me...
Mick, your Thai is of course several hundred times better than mine, I'm sure yours are also more practical. Thanks for the corrections. My problem is that my Thai tutor is a female real teacher and she tends to teach formal stuff, and I can't ask her naughty stuff :)

Retired Army
12-25-08, 04:07
How smart am I? I'm a married man and this November was my wifes and mine 4th time in Thailand.



OK guys. Judge me now. Am I insane or what?


You are absolutely FVCKING insane! Think of the consequences before taking your dick out of your pants.

Your first mistake was bringing your wife to Thailand in the first place. Never, ever bring a Western woman to Thailand because your life will never be the same afterwards.

NicFrenchy
12-25-08, 05:20
ok, essential SMS phrases for both guys and girls, yet to be published in my next guide book.

you are beautiful - khun suai jang loei
you are handsome - khun lao jang loei


Fly,

you really need to work on your spelling because some words can be confusing.

Handsome = lòr = lor (in sms language) ... not lao
Beautiful = sŭay = suay (in sms language)

Just check this website: http://www.thai2english.com/

NicFrenchy
12-25-08, 05:53
hi guys,

as i was talking with a bargirl last night (whose english was surprisingly good), we shared experiences and she told me all the things the "ladies of the night" do not like about us farangs:

1. groping
she said she can tolerate light discreet touching/fondling but hates it when guys pull aside her bra and try to suck on her nipples right in the bar... same goes for the panties. she said some guys think that because they pay 150 thb for her drink, they can do whatever they please to her.
she however, said that if she likes the customer, she will allow him to do a lot more because she will really want to be barfined by him.

2. breath
she said that farangs have very bad breath because they smoke and drink and never brush their teeth. she told me a story where a farang had a stinking breath and tried to french kiss her. she went to puke after that.
i told her that thai girls aren't better, because they eat very garlicky and spicy and never brush or have mints to hide it. i also told her my [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) story where the girl blew me after eating somtam and my dick burned for hours. it made her [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) her pants.

3. body odor
she said that a lot of guys smell nice and are well dressed but also many are not dressed properly, smell bad and are sweaty.
she hates when a sweaty guy tries to hug her and kiss her. and asked me why farangs don't like to take shower... i did not know what to say because i do shower. are there any guys here that don't shower before going out hunting?

4. smelly dick
she said that the amount of guys that have a smelly dick is really important. she much prefer circumcised guys because she said the dick do not smell bad. she said that some farang's dick smell bad even after the shower.
i told her that i have had some bad thai pussies (smelly) but she refused to believe me. she said that thai ladies scrub their pussies several times.
i will introduce her to a girl in jungle jims, her pussy smelled like a cat died inside weeks ago.

5. tipping
she said that many farangs promise that if she is good they will tip her on top of the agreed price and that even if she give them 2 shots, they never tip, telling her that she should be happy with what she got.

6. kindness
she also told me the story of one guy who refused to pay for a st room (400thb) and told the girl that she was suposed to pay because he was the customer and that he already pay a barfine! (i am ashamed to say... the fucker was french).

we also talked about a lot of different issues like indians & blacks, she said she did not mind but would never go with an indian guy in his hotel. she was scared about stories she heard that indians barfine girls and then when she goes to their hotel room, another 2 or 3 guys are there all waiting to be serviced (for the price of 1).
she said that she went with some blacks and indians in short time hotels nearby and all went well.

dick size
she said that she did not like to go with black men because their dick is too big and hurts, it is a job for her so she does not want to have pain. same with farangs. her preference goes to japanese customers, not because of the money but because she does not feel pain after sex.

Flyhere
12-25-08, 09:55
...We also talked about a lot of different issues like Indians & Blacks, she said she did not mind but would never go with an indian guy in his hotel. She was scared about stories she heard that Indians barfine girls and then when she goes to their hotel room, another 2 or 3 guys are there all waiting to be serviced (for the price of 1).
....
This is true I believe after talking to many Indians, they for whatever reasons are very cheap and try to scam the girls that way. The MP girls tend to be ok because they can be sure it's just one customer, that's why many Indians don't go to MP's.

Opebo
12-25-08, 10:14
Nicfrenchy, I enjoyed your recitation of a Thai girl's opinions about punters. I have often heard many of those same things from many girls, however, one must always take what they say with a grain of salt. For example I've had many girls tell me that the 'I don't like big dicks' line is just an attempt to get a tip for pains supposedly caused - of course these same girls said 'all women like big dicks even if they don't admit it', so they're probably biased as well.

But I do suspect that the cautions about groping, bad breath, and body odor apply nearly universally. However one note about smelly pussies - often no amount of scrubbing will solve the problem, as the worst cases are usually caused by Trichomonas, a mild sexually transmitted infection, while less intense cases may be caused by other STDs, fungal infections, or imbalances in vaginal acidity ('PH levels'). The latter can even be caused by exessive cleaning, particularly by douching. Of course in some cases fishy odors are simply sperms rotting inside the vagina, but this last case is very rare in Thailand because most girls do rinse out after insemination.

One thing I've always noticed about girls chit-chat - even the nice girls who never beg for tips or attempt to overcharge me (500 baht Pattaya girls) will often relate some funny tale of some guy who gave them 1,000 or 1,500 baht short time. They rarely have any reason for this behaviour other than that they were just 'lucky', nor have they ever suggested that I should pay in this strange fashion. But they do seem to like to relate the tales of overpayment.

Lastly one does run accross the occasional girl hyped up on drugs, who talks one's ear off - sometimes this is bad, but sometimes it is fine. These are the ones that relate some really tall tales.

M P Lurker
12-25-08, 13:18
However one note about smelly pussies - often no amount of scrubbing will solve the problem, as the worst cases are usually caused by Trichomonas, a mild sexually transmitted infection, while less intense cases may be caused by other STDs, fungal infections, or imbalances in vaginal acidity ('PH levels').
Some smelly pussies are simply because some women don't know how to clean properly. But this applies more to western women.

My ex wife was smelly in several areas.

The converse is that there are plenty of smelly dicks around.

Dardo
12-26-08, 03:39
Meet a girl at a MP who said she wanted to be the only one.

Went with her 6 days in 2 weeks. Paid her less than usual for a MP girl at Samui (their barfine is 1200 Baths), but still the same amount I would pay to any girl working at a Bargirl.

Just one night she went with me for a little barfine (but I had to wait up to midnight to pick her), and one day she made me a free HJ (something I tried to avoid but he was always inviting me. No Thai massage, oil massage.)

She got desperately in love with me, we had a discussion and she thought I was not going to see her anymore a got very depressed.

I went to see her two times just to to speak with her and make her feel better, and both times paid a massage just to do this. Also, agreed to verything we discussed about (I know I have a weak heart.)

She said she didn't want to work outside of the MP anymore, and she had now a "lady friend" with whom she spent her free time. And that she like to be with her friends at the MP than with a man.

I told her I like her, that it had been very nice to be with her and if she changed her mind he could tell me anytime. (I pass in front of the MP almost everyday.)

From that point I understood the history was over, and started going with other girls, etc. She saw me one time.

Now all her friends at the MP look at me with despise, and I don't know what she thinks, I think she hates me too.

I wonder why I paid for? These girls are crazy. They give you the same problems as any other woman.

Now I met this very charming 18 years old girl. Same history? I already sent her 2 SMS.

NicFrenchy
12-26-08, 04:10
From that point I understood the history was over, and started going with other girls, etc. She saw me one time.

Now all her friends at the MP look at me with despise, and I don't know what she thinks, I think she hates me too.

I wonder why I paid for? These girls are crazy. They give you the same problems as any other woman.

Now I met this very charming 18 years old girl. Same history? I already sent her 2 SMS.

Look, you can give these girls your dick and money, but not your heart. I also discuss life situations with MP or Bargirls but I NEVER give them any hint that I am available for romance.
I tell them I have giks and that I am happy with them, I do not need any more.
She is no more than a service provider, a very special one, but a service provider nonetheless.

Most girls like it because it guarantees them a steady income (repeat business) and no bullshit in between. They also tell me about Farangs that want to marry them after the first hand-job.

Warbucks
12-26-08, 04:27
They also tell me about Farangs that want to marry them after the first hand-job.

The Thai-Chinese I had dinner with on my last visit told me about some Dr. from England that wanted to marry her. She was 22 he had to be pushing 50.
This gal was not hooking though to the best of my knowledge.

There are a lot of lonely guys out there. What I donít understand is why the try to appease that loneliness with an uneducated third world hooker. :confused:

Run Mann
12-26-08, 04:41
Meet a girl at a MP who said she wanted to be the only one.
Went with her 6 days in 2 weeks. She got desperately in love with me

Yes, desperately in love with you after being with you for 6 days, either you've got it or she played you.


Now all her friends at the MP look at me with despise, and I don't know what she thinks, I think she hates me too.

They are playing the "guilt" card on you.



I wonder why I paid for? These girls are crazy.
They are not crazy, they are brilliant, many of these women are major manipulators and can detect their preys from miles away.

Lover Boy #2
12-26-08, 08:28
hi guys,

as i was talking with a bargirl last night (whose english was surprisingly good), we shared experiences and she told me all the things the "ladies of the night" do not like about us farangs:

2. breath
she said that farangs have very bad breath because they smoke and drink and never brush their teeth. she told me a story where a farang had a stinking breath and tried to french kiss her. she went to puke after that.
i told her that thai girls aren't better, because they eat very garlicky and spicy and never brush or have mints to hide it. i also told her my [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) story where the girl blew me after eating somtam and my dick burned for hours. it made her [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) her pants.


i had to laugh at ths one.....while i feel sorry that she has to kiss the bad breath monsters that come to the bars.......i have never smelled such bad breath girls until i came to thailand. there is a breath situation here that cannot be duplicated. i actually vomitted in my mouth once (i don't drink!) after a girl put a lip lock on me. since that night i have become risk averse to thai breath.....the tongue dance is only done under certain circumstances now......circumstances where the girls breath does not smell like death!!

it is funny some of the observations that these girls make......i have smelled and seen things in thailand (and asia in general) which can make a healthy man quite sick.

Retired Army
12-26-08, 09:33
Meet a girl at a MP who said she wanted to be the only one.

Went with her 6 days in 2 weeks. Paid her less than usual for a MP girl at Samui (their barfine is 1200 Baths), but still the same amount I would pay to any girl working at a Bargirl.

Just one night she went with me for a little barfine (but I had to wait up to midnight to pick her), and one day she made me a free HJ (something I tried to avoid but he was always inviting me. No Thai massage, oil massage.)

She got desperately in love with me, we had a discussion and she thought I was not going to see her anymore a got very depressed.

I went to see her two times just to to speak with her and make her feel better, and both times paid a massage just to do this. Also, agreed to verything we discussed about (I know I have a weak heart.)

She said she didn't want to work outside of the MP anymore, and she had now a "lady friend" with whom she spent her free time. And that she like to be with her friends at the MP than with a man.

I told her I like her, that it had been very nice to be with her and if she changed her mind he could tell me anytime. (I pass in front of the MP almost everyday.)

From that point I understood the history was over, and started going with other girls, etc. She saw me one time.

Now all her friends at the MP look at me with despise, and I don't know what she thinks, I think she hates me too.

I wonder why I paid for? These girls are crazy. They give you the same problems as any other woman.

Now I met this very charming 18 years old girl. Same history? I already sent her 2 SMS.


This sounds like a case of "true Love" to me. I think you should quit your job, give away everything you own, move to Thailand, get a job teaching English, adopt her family, buy a bunch of land in your new love's name and live happily ever after.

Dardo
12-26-08, 10:18
Look, you can give these girls your dick and money, but not your heart. I also discuss life situations with MP or Bargirls but I NEVER give them any hint that I am available for romance.I still want to leave that door open, but don't know for how long. Although my idea of romance is just another degree of friendship.


She is no more than a service provider, a very special one, but a service provider nonetheless.Yep, that's the point and it's something I'm going to keep very strictly from now on, as long as I give them money.


Most girls like it because it guarantees them a steady income (repeat business) and no bullshit in between.Sure. :) Good business practice, that's all.

Dardo
12-26-08, 10:25
This sounds like a case of "true Love" to me. I think you should quit your job, give away everything you own, move to Thailand, get a job teaching English, adopt her family, buy a bunch of land in your new love's name and live happily ever after.Luckily I kept the "distance" all the way through this. Enjoying the good time and the great attention she was giving me, but keeping quiet emotionally.

Maybe that's way the hate me so much.

LittleTruths
12-26-08, 11:40
This sounds like a case of "true Love" to me. I think you should quit your job, give away everything you own, move to Thailand, get a job teaching English, adopt her family, buy a bunch of land in your new love's name and live happily ever after.Amen!

GoodEnough
12-26-08, 11:45
The Thai-Chinese I had dinner with on my last visit told me about some Dr. from England that wanted to marry her. She was 22 he had to be pushing 50.
This gal was not hooking though to the best of my knowledge.

There are a lot of lonely guys out there. What I donít understand is why the try to appease that loneliness with an uneducated third world hooker. :confused:

Come on DW, you spetd all that time in the Philippines. You must have seen this a hundred times. Part of it is the willing suspension of disbelief on the part of us old guys. We can actually convince ourselves that young women find us appealing. Part of it is the sex that goes along with our self delusion, and part of it is the "knight in shining armor" syndrome associated with "rescuing" a lovely woman from a life of poverty and ill repute. Add to this the fact that many of the women--in the PI and Thailand--are wonderful con artists and actresses and the predisposition of the punters who really want to believe this crap, and voila, a perfect recipe for long-term disaster.

GE

Dextro Sol
12-26-08, 14:08
Dude I donít like stereotyping but if you got a western wife stick with her. As long as she is not fat and bitchy. I jumped over to Asia thinking the grass was greener it is not. A lot of the women are just less intelligent. When you go after the educated independent variety in Asia they are no different than their western sisters. Japan, Korea, Thailand, Uzbekistan, Dubai, and Philippine experience talking.

Yeah sure sex is widely available but itís from women who in all aspects are children in grown women bodies. Wake up mayne before you divorce the wife and sale the house.

Before someone open up with the flame thrower this is my opinion from my observations. OK Daddy Warbucks. I am reading and understanding.


Many marriages have been destroyed, once the happy couple went to Thailand.

My marraige survived the trip to Thaland, but was destined to fail 4 years later anyway. I started to learn Thai language not long after that. LOLAfter 4 trips to Thailand I feel the same way.


No, of course you are not insane. Just a little gob smacked maybe.

My advice: Think hard before jumping from the frying pan into the fire. I think I get your point Daddy07


Dextro Sol,

Don't!

GiottoOK Giotto, I'm listening.


It's fine to holiday there if your marriage can survive this (most would not probably), but running away and leaving a note is crazy.

We all talk to Thai Girls and they all want us to return quick quick, love only us, and wait for each of us and only us. They are saying this to 10 different guys at the same time.

Sometimes I wish I never got sent to BKK for work in the first place because now I look forward to returning too much. Take a deep breath and relax. It's not real. OK. I have read the same things before.


NicFrenchy,

You are a real Bastard! Nothing else to do than mixing up the minds of innocent Thailand tourists?

BTW: Most likely the "brother" will drink Mekong. And he really needs a motorbike!

GiottoLOL


Don't do this. Your heart and head will ache. Your life will be ruined. Don't do this please! I think you are right.


I received this SMS yesterday from my gik at the airport (BKK Swampy) as I was boarding the plane to return home for a cold holiday.

I LOVE YOU. PLEASE TAKE CARE YOUR SELF I AM CAERING FOR U. MISS U JUST ALWAYS KNOW U R SPECIAL TO ME. KISS KISS. N.

This is from a woman who does not speak English. Do you think the mobile companies sell these messages similar to the way they sell ring tones?

Oh yeah. Dextro Sol, you are insane! OK. At least I was right about me being insane.


You are absolutely FVCKING insane! Think of the consequences before taking your dick out of your pants.

Your first mistake was bringing your wife to Thailand in the first place. Never, ever bring a Western woman to Thailand because your life will never be the same afterwards. I not only think it was stupid to bring my western wife to Thailand. It was stupid to go there for me too. I guess I have cought yellow fever. Is it curable?

Fon Tok
12-26-08, 14:36
Come on DW, you spetd all that time in the Philippines. You must have seen this a hundred times. Part of it is the willing suspension of disbelief on the part of us old guys....a perfect recipe for long-term disaster. GEOr, short term fun...

Warbucks
12-26-08, 15:33
I not only think it was stupid to bring my western wife to Thailand. It was stupid to go there for me too. I guess I have cought yellow fever. Is it curable?

It was not stupid of you to come to Thailand or bring your wife. I was married when I first came and I brought my ex on my first visit (reason to see a dentist). My ex-wife was unsupportive, chubby, selfish and bitchy.

It was easy for Thailand and the rest of SE Asia to pull me away but if I had a western woman who was non above, independent and intelligent I probably wouldnít live where I live. That being said discovering P4P has been a gift and curse.

The gift... if your monger long enough you will never be infatuated with another woman to consider marriage again.

The curse.... after my years of mongering itís hard for me to look at a woman for being anything more than a mouth pussy and ass :(

Yes there is a cure for Jasmine fever. Go to all the SE Asian hotspots whenever you can get away from the wife fuck your brains out. Use protection (Durex Extra Sensitive) and go home. That is the cure.

Donít know how old you are but you donít want to be depending on some Thai bar girl to take care of you later in life.

Daddy07
12-26-08, 15:35
...The curse after my years of mongering itís hard to look at a woman for being anything more than a mouth pussy and ass :(

No, no, no ... that's a blessing!

We must all appreciate it while we can. :D

Retired Army
12-27-08, 03:51
I not only think it was stupid to bring my western wife to Thailand. It was stupid to go there for me too. I guess I have cought yellow fever. Is it curable?


Unfortunately, it's fatal.

NicFrenchy
12-27-08, 04:28
Unfortunately, it's fatal.

I am happy to say that after 4 years here I do not have Yellow Fever and am pretty sure I will never get it :)

There is something that is missing in Thai ladies, in my eyes. Sex is great but a relationship is more than sex and unfortunately, Thai girls are lacking in the Other departments.

This of course is only my opinion.

Warbucks
12-27-08, 04:40
I am happy to say that after 4 years here I do not have Yellow Fever and am pretty sure I will never get it :)

There is something that is missing in Thai ladies, in my eyes. Sex is great but a relationship is more than sex and unfortunately, Thai girls are lacking in the Other departments.

This of course is only my opinion.


Nic are you being sarcastic? When was the last time you went back to the west to go fishing in them waters?

The latter part of your post I agree with you completely. Especially when it comes to dealing with Thai ladies.

NicFrenchy
12-27-08, 05:20
Nic are you being sarcastic? When was the last time you went back to the west to go fishing in them waters?

I was being Serious. I don't have yellow fever. I am happy to be in Thailand, of course, the ladies are nice adn sex is good and overly available but, Maybe I'm a cold bastard, I don't "love" easily.

I couldn't love a thai girl, no matter how sweet or nice she looks if she is lacking a good education and doesn't have Character.

I have found Thai ladies to be at the extremes, either they are too nice and pushovers or they are too bitchy.
Also, I can't get in a relationship with a girl that can't see past tonights or tomorrows meal.

Member #3428
12-27-08, 05:30
I couldn't love a thai girl, no matter how sweet or nice she looks if she is lacking a good education and doesn't have Character. ...... Also, I can't get in a relationship with a girl that can't see past tonights or tomorrows meal.

This surprises me, your comment about character... I've met a lot of strong willed ladies with great character. But character could be subjective I guess. My definition might differ from yours. The rest... I can see. Drives me batty they won't plan anything let alone their own future.

Very few have plans (from work and from P4P) and the ones that do have plans... watch out... they'll eat anyone alive that stands in their way or do anything to anyone to get what they want.

NicFrenchy
12-27-08, 05:37
This surprises me, your comment about character... I've met a lot of strong willed ladies with great character. But character could be subjective I guess.

Maybe I was not Clear? but I have never said that Thai Ladies did NOT have Character, I said I could not fall in love with one IF she did not have any.

Trust me, after working here 4 years, I can guarantee you some girls are really lacking in the "Character" department but to say that I would apply this to all Thai girls: definitely not.

NicFrenchy
12-27-08, 05:40
I stumbled upon this article and I think is very Funny:

"Women lie, cheat and steal. This is not news. For the Thais, and particularly for bargirls, telling tall tales seems almost to be the national sport. The problem is, they’re appallingly bad at it.

“I only go with you, tilac“, she purrs, as her cellphone continually beeps throughout the evening with various messages from Steve, Sven, Simon and Somchai.

Then there’s the girl who answers her cellphone in mid-thrust to tell her boyfriend that she’s staying in her room watching TV alone.

Another girl couldn’t call you the other evening because her cellphone battery died. Which means she was in bed with a guy who had the sense to persuade her to turn her phone off.

Member #3428
12-27-08, 05:42
Trust me, after working here 4 years, I can guarantee you some girls are really lacking in the "Character" department but to say that I would apply this to all Thai girls: definitely not.

Now clear ;) My ESL is slow at times. And trust me, I've run into my share of winners at work too. I think the BG's at the Beer Garden have more character then the ones I have to deal with.

Warbucks
12-27-08, 08:57
I was being Serious. I don't have yellow fever. I am happy to be in Thailand, of course, the ladies are nice adn sex is good and overly available but, Maybe I'm a cold bastard, I don't "love" easily.

I couldn't love a thai girl, no matter how sweet or nice she looks if she is lacking a good education and doesn't have Character.

I have found Thai ladies to be at the extremes, either they are too nice and pushovers or they are too bitchy.
Also, I can't get in a relationship with a girl that can't see past tonights or tomorrows meal.


I have Jasmine fever defined by my preference for Asian women in comparisons to western women when it comes to fucking (and thatís what I meant in your case) but if I had to pick a lady for a relationship I would still prefer a got her shit together western woman any day.

NicFrenchy
12-27-08, 12:23
I have Jasmine fever defined by my preference for Asian women in comparisons to western women when it comes to fucking (and that’s what I meant in your case) but if I had to pick a lady for a relationship I would still prefer a got her shit together western woman any day.

I see we see things the same way :)

Gangles
12-27-08, 14:15
I was reading comments about how deceptive are the Thai P4P ladies. It made me think how true that is. A bar girl deals with hundreds, or thousands of men like us. These men tell lies, deceive the girls, promise them that they love her, if only she will root them now, promise that they will come back later to barfine her when they know they will not, promise to take her out of the bar, and make her a respected woman in Australia/USA/UK/Canada/Germany/etc.

Sometimes the girl goes for it, then gets dumped, or pregnant and dumped.

So these bargirls deal with this every day and night, continuous deception by foreigners, yet they keep on, creating the fantasy for the customer. It must take a great deal of cynicism on their part to keep on going.

It makes me think of Christís statement ďlet he who is without guilt cast the first stoneĒ.

So unless we are totally honest in our personal dealings with P4P ladies, letís not sling off at them for behaving the same way that we do.

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Run Mann
12-27-08, 15:20
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It makes me think of Christís statement ďlet he who is without guilt cast the first stoneĒ.
So unless we are totally honest in our personal dealings with P4P ladies, letís not sling off at them for behaving the same way that we do.
This is too funny! You do realize that you are preaching to people who by the very nature of us being here are not necessarily in step with religion. I mean how many commandments and scripture lessons are violated by mongers on a daily basis? Doesnít religion teach belivers not to lay with any woman other than your wife, or not to have sex until marriage? Working girls offer their service/product in the same manner as any other purveyors and as such are subject to feedback/criticism from their customers. If you are sympathetic to their negative feedback, you should hear some of the feedback they have of us.

Retired Army
12-27-08, 15:56
I am happy to say that after 4 years here I do not have Yellow Fever and am pretty sure I will never get it :)

There is something that is missing in Thai ladies, in my eyes. Sex is great but a relationship is more than sex and unfortunately, Thai girls are lacking in the Other departments.

This of course is only my opinion.

You've been here for four years, nothing more needs to be said. Call the undertaker.

Couldn't agree with you more about Thai girls lacking in the other departments. You just haven't met the right one yet.

NicFrenchy
12-27-08, 16:01
You've been here for four years, nothing more needs to be said. Call the undertaker.

I am not sure I understand, you mean I haven't been here long enough? and, what's an undertaker?

Retired Army
12-27-08, 16:09
I am not sure I understand, you mean I haven't been here long enough? and, what's an undertaker?

What I'm saying is that if you have been here four years, you have been here too long and are infected.

An undertaker is a mortician. Someone who prepairs dead bodies for burial.

Applesauce
12-27-08, 19:13
We also talked about a lot of different issues like Indians & Blacks, she said she did not mind but would never go with an indian guy in his hotel. She was scared about stories she heard that Indians barfine girls and then when she goes to their hotel room, another 2 or 3 guys are there all waiting to be serviced (for the price of 1).I've heard the same thing from numerous working girls in my country (Canada) so I can believe it. Stereotypes always have a grain of truth in them, and Indians do tend to be cheap and will haggle on everything whether it's appropriate or not. Do Indians feel that they're always being ripped off? Is that why? Or is haggling on everything part of the culture?

Indian culture is very sexist and chauvinistic though, and a lot of Indian women here (in Canada) refuse to see Indian men. They'll claim that they don't want to potentially meet anyone within their social circle (not the sexism here -- it's okay for the men to see escorts but not for the women to be escorts) which is valid, but the truth is Indian men generally don't treat women (of any ethnicity) very well.

Me puts on racism shield.