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If 1 gay person out of 5 is HIV positve
That number is far to high. Check the country progress report from UNAIDS for the US.
In Thailand, eben only 15% of the male sex workers are HIV postive (only 2,8% of the female sex workers). 20% for American gays is just about 10 times to hig.
BTW:
You're missing something. The biggest risk group in the US - Black people.
1 out of 50 black american males is HIV positiv.
I guess it has to do with the high number of black americans in jail and the high number of drug addicted blacks.
Clandestine782
10-02-10, 13:55
That number is far to high. Check the country progress report from UNAIDS for the US.
In Thailand, eben only 15% of the male sex workers are HIV postive (only 2,8% of the female sex workers). 20% for American gays is just about 10 times to hig.Ok, so you read the article. Nothing is said about the methodology. What is your objection to the methodology?
BTW:
You're missing something. The biggest risk group in the US - Black people.
1 out of 50 black american males is HIV positiv.
I guess it has to do with the high number of black americans in jail and the high number of drug addicted blacks.
No, I didn't miss that. What I was getting at was that sexual orientation can explain almost all of the HIV. And different values of the number of gays can actually OVERPREDICT the number of HIV carriers.
But yes, being black is a big predictor (19% of white gays were infected, but something like 28% of black gays). There may be a few mechanisms behind this:
1. If you already have an STD (such as chlamydia or gonorrhea), that increases greatly your chance of picking up HIV from a single contact exposure. It may be that higher STD rates can explain it.
2. Jail is another good way to explain it. I would guess it would work something like: Guys in prison would be a vector of large magnitude into the straight population. The math to model that, though, it way beyond me. (I might look up the email address of that Ashkenazi Goddess, Emily Oster, and see if she might be interested to handle that one.)
3. I hate to open up a line of discussion that has been thrashed out again and again, but a lot of black people insist that HIV was created by the US government to destroy black people. (*sigh*). Mentality like that does not help. I think that just a little bit of intelligence about sexual behavior would go a long way toward combatting the spread of the disease. After all, having sex with lots of people is not a direct way to HIV. (If that was true, then working in porn would be a certain death sentence. ) It's more like having sex with too many people whose HIV status you don't know that is the problem. I think a little intelligence/ circumspection would go a long way in allowing everyone to enjoy a lot of bareback sex. Something like "Oh, we don't have to wear no condoms. Just show me your test results from the last 30 days." And then things would be fine.
I was wondering if anyone on here has found any credible data on likelihood of becoming HIV infected through unprotected vaginal sex from both a male and female prespective. I have looked back over the last couple of month's posts and not found anything.
I have seen data that suggests that it is very hard for men to catch HIV as long as they are not cut etc. However, this doesn't explain why rates of infection are so high in places like South Africa.
It's about as hard to get reliable data on this as it is to find out how much alcohol the average person would need to drink before actually increasing their risk from alcohol related problems. Doctor's just don't want us to know as they think it might encourage us.
John
Female to Male is very low, and condomless sex with someone positive is a 1 in 2500 (0.04%). Not a statistician, but the more times you do it with someone positive, this number goes up and it's not 'reset' every time you do it? Anyone?Does anyone know where this information comes from please?
Clandestine782
10-11-10, 18:51
I was wondering if anyone on here has found any credible data on likelihood of becoming HIV infected through unprotected vaginal sex from both a male and female prespective. I have looked back over the last couple of month's posts and not found anything.
I have seen data that suggests that it is very hard for men to catch HIV as long as they are not cut etc. However, this doesn't explain why rates of infection are so high in places like South Africa.
It's about as hard to get reliable data on this as it is to find out how much alcohol the average person would need to drink before actually increasing their risk from alcohol related problems. Doctor's just don't want us to know as they think it might encourage us.
John
HIV in Africa has been dealt with at some length by Emily Oster. Her papers are very heavy, and so I won't get into trying to synopsize them for you. I'll just give you some links and see how much of any one of them you can make it through.
1. http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic637155.files/Oster_060926.pdf
2. http://neumann.hec.ca/neudc2004/fp/oster_emily_sept_15.pdf
3. http://www.international.ucla.edu/cms/files/oster.pdf
4. http://home.uchicago.edu/~eoster/aids.pdf
Don't have time to get into much more, but this will be a good bit to get you started.
Hi guys
Just some of the information I have come across from various sources across Africa.
In terms of getting the infection yes it is low for men but there is another important factor that everyone is missing. The possibility of infection is very high at 2 stages. People infect other people during the initial period of being infected themselves. So this is normally during the first 4-8 weeks. Then once again once they have almost reached a stage where the HIV has developed into full blown AIDS. During the middle stage it is very low risk to pass on the virus. Obviously during the AIDS stage it is possible to see the symptoms and possibly avoid this. The danger stage is the initial period when there are no symptoms etc.
Another discussion point I have seen is the higher rate of infection amongst Africans and once again there are 2 factors in Africa which could be the same in other parts of the world but I don’t have the knowledge of this. While working at the Centre of disease control in East Africa some of the scientist explained to me that they suspect the Immune system for Europeans are slightly different because of the Flu pandemic or better known as the Black Death that occurred from 1347 - 1350. It was mostly Europe that was hit by this and a lot of theories around this are that the immune system was altered by this where as in Africa it wasn’t. There are various YouTube videos about this that explains in detail.
The second factor is the culture. It is very common for any African to have 2-3 Wife’s as well as a couple of Girlfriends at any specific time. They in turn do the same thing. Taking this into consideration and the fact that infection is high during the initial stages without condom use (Now changing with Sex education) it is very likely that if you infect 6 people and they in turn infect their 6 partners etc you can see how it spreads like wild fire.
So just to summarize don’t get fooled by percentages and exposure as these will be very low over the entire period but if exposure occurs during the initial HIV stage or AIDS stage where the viral load is very high the probability is much higher than during the middle stage. Either way the best is to always use a condom
Louis
HIV in Africa has been dealt with at some length by Emily Oster. Her papers are very heavy, and so I won't get into trying to synopsize them for you. I'll just give you some links and see how much of any one of them you can make it through.
1. http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic637155.files/Oster_060926.pdf
2. http://neumann.hec.ca/neudc2004/fp/oster_emily_sept_15.pdf
3. http://www.international.ucla.edu/cms/files/oster.pdf
4. http://home.uchicago.edu/~eoster/aids.pdf
Don't have time to get into much more, but this will be a good bit to get you started.Thanks C.
I will have a look when I get a chance. I always worry about research from the US though. It always tend to be backed by fundermentalist religions saying all sex is bad or drug companies. But she has Harvard and UCLA in there as references and they are on a par with the best of the International schools.
Thanks very much,
J.
Hi guys
Just some of the information I have come across from various sources across Africa.
In terms of getting the infection yes it is low for men but there is another important factor that everyone is missing. The possibility of infection is very high at 2 stages. People infect other people during the initial period of being infected themselves. So this is normally during the first 4-8 weeks. Then once again once they have almost reached a stage where the HIV has developed into full blown AIDS. During the middle stage it is very low risk to pass on the virus. Obviously during the AIDS stage it is possible to see the symptoms and possibly avoid this. The danger stage is the initial period when there are no symptoms etc.
Another discussion point I have seen is the higher rate of infection amongst Africans and once again there are 2 factors in Africa which could be the same in other parts of the world but I don’t have the knowledge of this. While working at the Centre of disease control in East Africa some of the scientist explained to me that they suspect the Immune system for Europeans are slightly different because of the Flu pandemic or better known as the Black Death that occurred from 1347 - 1350. It was mostly Europe that was hit by this and a lot of theories around this are that the immune system was altered by this where as in Africa it wasn’t. There are various YouTube videos about this that explains in detail.
The second factor is the culture. It is very common for any African to have 2-3 Wife’s as well as a couple of Girlfriends at any specific time. They in turn do the same thing. Taking this into consideration and the fact that infection is high during the initial stages without condom use (Now changing with Sex education) it is very likely that if you infect 6 people and they in turn infect their 6 partners etc you can see how it spreads like wild fire.
So just to summarize don’t get fooled by percentages and exposure as these will be very low over the entire period but if exposure occurs during the initial HIV stage or AIDS stage where the viral load is very high the probability is much higher than during the middle stage. Either way the best is to always use a condom
LouisVery interesting. I don't think it is only Africans that behave like that, although it is a facet of African culture. As for the Plague thing, wasn't that caused by a bacteria rather than a virus? The Black Death was Bubonic Plague (with more serious Pneumonic and Septcemic plague version) not Flu. It was carried by rats and spread by Mosquitos.
The times of infection are very interesting though.
Thanks very much for the input.
J.
Clandestine782
10-31-10, 03:42
thanks c.
i will have a look when i get a chance. i always worry about research from the us though. it always tend to be backed by fundermentalist religions saying all sex is bad or drug companies. but she has harvard and ucla in there as references and they are on a par with the best of the international schools.
thanks very much,
j.
i don't see what you are getting at with that statement.
1) religious groups don't fund research because journals/ peer reviewed grants/ peer reviewed papers are two separate spheres of reality. if you do any looking on this, you will find that whatever you can find that other countries have done on these subjects is published in english. and if you know that, you can find that there is almost nothing about this topic out of chinese universities/ research institutes (the us and britain constitute most published papers). if you dreamed up some conspiracy theory as a reason to exclude us research, you might be throwing away a majority of your information/ a lot of useful info.
2)a lot of research of different types is backed by drug companies, but why would they be interested in providing any new info on the african case? the average african can't even read, and even the most basic hiv prevention strategies are not getting through to most of the people there (as in, the ones that could be fit onto one side of an index card). so, clarification of any of any subtle aspect of hiv transmission would be of no impact.
Very interesting. I don't think it is only Africans that behave like that, although it is a facet of African culture. As for the Plague thing, wasn't that caused by a bacteria rather than a virus? The Black Death was Bubonic Plague (with more serious Pneumonic and Septcemic plague version) not Flu. It was carried by rats and spread by Mosquitos.
The times of infection are very interesting though.
Thanks very much for the input.
J.Hi Johnsue,
Yes indeed it was bacteria instead of a virus but what they are trying to figure out is why certain people survived the epidemic etc. I dont have enough knowledge about it but it is something they call Delta 32 in DNA. you can search for this on google. Basically they traced people that could be linked to have ancestors that survived the pandemic. by testing their DNA they found the same see below
" they did some testing at University College in London, delta 32 had been found in 14% of the samples. This is a genetically significant percentage, yet what, really, did it mean? Could the villagers have inherited delta 32 from elsewhere, residents who had moved to the community in the 350 years since the plague? Was this really a higher percentage than anywhere else? To find out, O'Brien assembled an international team of scientists to test for the presence of delta 32 around the world. "Native Africans did not have delta 32 at all," O'Brien says, "and when we looked at East Asians and Indians, they were also flat zero." In fact, the levels of delta 32 found in Eyam were only matched in regions of Europe that had been affected by the plague and in America, which was, for the most part, settled by European plague survivors and their descendents."
Clandestine782
11-23-10, 18:46
daily pill lowers h.i.v. infection risk, study finds
by donald g. mcneil jr.
in a development that could change the battle against aids, researchers have found that taking a daily antiretroviral pill greatly lowers the chances of getting infected with the virus.
in the study, published tuesday by the new england journal of medicine, researchers found that the hundreds of gay men randomly assigned to take the drugs were 44 percent less likely to get infected than the equal number assigned to take a placebo.
but when only the men whose blood tests showed they had taken their pill faithfully every day were considered, the pill was more than 90 percent effective, said dr. anthony s. fauci, head of the division of the national institutes of health, which paid for the study along with the bill and melinda gates foundation.
“that’s huge,” dr. fauci said. “that says it all for me.”
the large study, nicknamed iprex, included nearly 2,500 men in six countries and was coordinated by the gladstone institutes of the university of california, san francisco.
the results are the best news in the aids field in years, even better than this summer’s revelation that a vaginal microbicide protected 39 percent of all the women testing it and 54 percent of those who used it faithfully.
also, the antiretroviral pill — truvada, a combination of two drugs, tenofovir and emtricitabine — is available by prescription in many countries right now, while the microbicide gel is made only in small amounts for clinical trials.
the protection, known as “pre-exposure prophylaxis” or “prep,” is also the first new form available to men, especially men who cannot use condoms because they sell sex, are in danger of prison [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), are under pressure from partners or lose their inhibitions when drunk or high.
it is a form of protection “that does not involve getting permission from the other partner, and that’s important,” said phill wilson, president of the black aids institute, which focuses on the epidemic among blacks.
michel sidibé, the head of unaids, the united nations aids-fighting agency, called it “a breakthrough that will accelerate the prevention revolution.”
because truvada is available now, some clinicians already prescribe it for prophylaxis, dr. fauci said, but whether doing so becomes official policy will depend on discussions by the centers for disease control and prevention, the food and drug administration, medical societies and others, which could take months.
although the c.d.c. would prefer that doctors wait for further studies, more probably will prescribe it now that this study is out, said dr. kevin fenton, chief of the agency’s aids division, so the c.d.c. will soon release suggested guidelines.
the agency will encourage that the drug be prescribed only with close medical supervision and used only with other safe-sex practices, treatment for venereal diseases and counseling.
“the results are encouraging, but it’s not time for gay men to throw away their condoms,” dr. fenton said.
aids advocacy groups were very excited by the results.
“if you comply with it, this works really well,” said chris collins, policy director of amfar, the foundation for aids research. “this is too big to walk away from.”
mitchell warren, executive director of avac, which lobbies for aids prevention, called the study “a great day for the fight against aids” and said gay men and others at risk needed to be consulted on the next steps.
aids experts and the researchers issued several caveats about the study’s limitations.
it was only of gay men and only of one drug combination. more studies, now under way, are needed to see if they duplicate these results and to see whether truvada also protects heterosexual men and women, prostitutes and drug users who share needles, and whether other drugs will work, too.
there is no medical reason to think the pill would not work in everyone, since it attacks the virus in the blood, rather than in the vaginal wall as a microbicide does.
different regimens, like taking the pills only when sex is anticipated instead of daily, also need testing.
also, many men in the study failed to take all their pills, and some clearly lied about it. for example, some who claimed to take them 90 percent of the time had little or no drug in their bloodstreams.
although the pills caused no major side effects in the study, some men disliked the relatively minor ones, like nausea and headaches. also, as is common in clinical trials, some stopped bothering once they suspected they might be taking a placebo.
“people have their own reasons,” mr. collins said. “people don’t take their lipitor every day either.”
a major question now is who will pay for the drug.
in the united states, truvada, made by gilead sciences, costs $12,000 to $14,000 a year. in very poor countries, generic versions costs as little as 40 cents a pill.
globally, only about 5 million of the 33 million people with aids are on antiretrovirals, and, in an era of tight foreign-aid budgets, that number is not expected to rise quickly.
hundreds of millions of africans, eastern europeans and asians are at risk and could benefit from prophylaxis, but that would cost tens of billions of dollars.
if he had the money, mr. sidibé of unaids said, he would target high-risk groups like sex workers, gay men, drug users and uninfected people married to infected people.
in this country, insurers and medicare normally pay for the drugs, and the ryan white act covers the cost for the poor — but none of these payers yet have policies on supplying the drugs to healthy people.
one fear some scientists have is that putting more people on the drugs will speed the evolution of drug-resistant strains.
none of the 2,499 participants developed resistance to tenofovir. three were found to have strains resistant to emtricitabine, but investigators believe all three were infected before the study began, but at levels low enough to have been missed by their first h.i.v. tests.
because participants were tested monthly and those who got infected were put on triple therapy cocktails, it was unlikely any were on two-drug truvada long enough to develop drug resistant strains.
another fear was that the participants would become so fearless that they would stop using condoms, but the opposite effect was seen — they used condoms more often and had fewer sex partners. but that can also be a function of simply being enrolled in a study and getting a steady diet of safe sex advice and free condoms, the investigators said.
the study took place at 11 sites in the united states, south africa, brazil, thailand, ecuador and peru. other trials of pre-exposure prophylaxis have about 20,000 volunteers enrolled around the world. their results are expected to arrive in a steady stream over the next two years.
Suave Monger
11-29-10, 22:38
The research on Truvada being used to reduce the spread of HIV infections is great. The articles I read indicated that the drug in prohibitively expensive for preventive use (nearly a grand per month?). They also stated that in some developed countries other than the US, generic Truvada can be obtained for around 10 bucks per month (or per pill). Does anybody know which countries a person could obtain the pill at such a price?
Excellent Report!
Never heard of things as mentioned in this!
Eye opener!
AIDS virus man made....proof
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/atlantean_conspiracy/atlantean_conspiracy30.htm
The research on Truvada being used to reduce the spread of HIV infections is great. The articles I read indicated that the drug in prohibitively expensive for preventive use (nearly a grand per month?). They also stated that in some developed countries other than the US, generic Truvada can be obtained for around 10 bucks per month (or per pill). Does anybody know which countries a person could obtain the pill at such a price?Comments on the following are greatly appreciated:
1. Antiretroviral pill (Truvada) cab be taken a couple of days before a mongering trip then continuing for few days after the trip is over. Logically, that will reduce the chances of AIDS infection.
2. What are the chances of getting AIDS infection from BBBJ.
3. What are the chances of getting AIDS infection from DATY.
Fiend Devil
12-25-10, 22:53
Comments on the following are greatly appreciated:
1. Antiretroviral pill (Truvada) cab be taken a couple of days before a mongering trip then continuing for few days after the trip is over. Logically, that will reduce the chances of AIDS infection.
2. What are the chances of getting AIDS infection from BBBJ.
3. What are the chances of getting AIDS infection from DATY. 1. Duno anything about number 1 but if your using condoms then that is safe sex so no need.
2. No medical case of this every happening. The virus isn't carried in saliva.
3. Impossible.
Mtraveller
01-07-11, 02:54
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/health/research/29zinc.html?_r=1
Pretty interesting article here from the other day about someone who was cured with aids from a bone marrow transplant.
What also I find interesting is the guy who donated the marrow was actually "naturally immune" to aids.
I did not know that even existed (natural immunity). Anyone else ever hear about that? Yes, this has been extensively covered in scientific journals. It's not a practical treatment on any scale, rather an experiment made possible by favorable circumstances (availabilty of the right donor).
Its nevertheless important, because it proves conclusively that natural immunity to HIV exists and that its a feature of the immune system. Previously those were hyphothesis but hard to proof.
It also provde that HIV cna be completely eradicated from the body, provided circumstances are right. Previously this had never been achieved with any form of drug based treatment. There was fear that HIV might be able to lie dormant forever and HIV patients might be infectious forever.
Now research can focus straight on the specific immune system feature to see if it provides an attack path to HIV.
Comments on the following are greatly appreciated:
1. Antiretroviral pill (Truvada) cab be taken a couple of days before a mongering trip then continuing for few days after the trip is over. Logically, that will reduce the chances of AIDS infection.
2. What are the chances of getting AIDS infection from BBBJ.
3. What are the chances of getting AIDS infection from DATY.You are an idiot for asking medical advice in this Forum. Go see a Doctor.
1. Duno anything about number 1 but if your using condoms then that is safe sex so no need.
If he were using condoms, he would not be asking the question.
Crazyjoe China
01-07-11, 06:36
I used to post under the nick "Getting it On", but somehow lost my password and have been lurking in the forum ever since as China has unstable VPN available. I know this is not the right thread, but this gets high-traffic. Anyway, here is the deal.
I am in Wenzhou, China regularly. Last week, I went to a massage place. Full service = RMB328. I got the full service. Face was a 7. GFE = 10. At the beginning, the girl was all GF and saying how much she loves sex and has to do it once a week. She lost her virginity at the age of 17. Claims her age to be 26. Her boobs were 33B but very soft and a bit saggy. IMHO, due to breastfeeding?
Anyway, she gives me a BBBJ and AR and I did a few licks of her pussy but she said no in a polite way (I feel 'bu hao yi shi', I don't think it is right for you as a client to be servicing me). After the third time of little licks, and she asking me to stop, I stopped.
Then she capped me and we started doing it. She immediately gave me DFK and we were at it all the time. But she didn't swallow my saliva, she spat out every 30 seconds. It was like 15 mins and I still couldn't cum. I said, probably I am not used to the condom. She then said lets take it off. I was hesitant, but my little head was doing the thinking. So she uncapped me and we fucked more. She claims she has been a prostitute for only over 1 year.
In 2 mins, I was about to cum. I said I better pull out. But she said no, its ok, shoot inside her and pulled me closer and hugged me tighter. I said what if you get pregnant, she said its ok, just shoot. I repeated my concerned, but she kept her movements and clenching her pussy muscles. She said don't worry, just shoot. So I shot my load deep inside. She held me there for 1 minute before pulling away. She then proceeded to wipe her pussy with the wet wipes quite a bit.
I said what are you going to do? She said she'll just take some sort of medication and no worries. She said that she came together at the same time as me and this is her first time having unprotected sex as she felt some sort of connection with me. I repeated my concern about her getting pregnant and asking her if she is STD free and clean. After a few times, she said she feels hurt that I ask so many times.
Now I am very afraid of getting the HIV. BBBJ, DATY (a little) , DFK, unprotected sex. I didn't notice any cut on my lips etc until this morning I have to cuts. I don't know if the lip cuts are due to the cold and dry winter weather or were there earlier. So my DATY and DFK with a cut lip is not so good.
I am sweating buckets now. Do you think I have been infected with HIV? She seemed so open to unprotected sex, BBBJ and DFK but don't want a full blown DATY.
I have googled that I have to wait 3 months before I can do a HIV test.
What do you guys think?
Crazyjoe China
01-07-11, 09:46
I used to post under the nick "Getting it On", but somehow lost my password and have been lurking in the forum ever since as China has unstable VPN available. I know this is not the right thread, but this gets high-traffic. Anyway, here is the deal.
I am in Wenzhou, China regularly. Last week, I went to a massage place. Full service = RMB328. I got the full service. Face was a 7. GFE = 10. At the beginning, the girl was all GF and saying how much she loves sex and has to do it once a week. She lost her virginity at the age of 17. Claims her age to be 26. Her boobs were 33B but very soft and a bit saggy. IMHO, due to breastfeeding?
Anyway, she gives me a BBBJ and AR and I did a few licks of her pussy but she said no in a polite way (I feel 'bu hao yi shi', I don't think it is right for you as a client to be servicing me). After the third time of little licks, and she asking me to stop, I stopped.
Then she capped me and we started doing it. She immediately gave me DFK and we were at it all the time. But she didn't swallow my saliva, she spat out every 30 seconds. It was like 15 mins and I still couldn't cum. I said, probably I am not used to the condom. She then said lets take it off. I was hesitant, but my little head was doing the thinking. So she uncapped me and we fucked more. She claims she has been a prostitute for only over 1 year.
In 2 mins, I was about to cum. I said I better pull out. But she said no, its ok, shoot inside her and pulled me closer and hugged me tighter. I said what if you get pregnant, she said its ok, just shoot. I repeated my concerned, but she kept her movements and clenching her pussy muscles. She said don't worry, just shoot. So I shot my load deep inside. She held me there for 1 minute before pulling away. She then proceeded to wipe her pussy with the wet wipes quite a bit.
I said what are you going to do? She said she'll just take some sort of medication and no worries. She said that she came together at the same time as me and this is her first time having unprotected sex as she felt some sort of connection with me. I repeated my concern about her getting pregnant and asking her if she is STD free and clean. After a few times, she said she feels hurt that I ask so many times.
Now I am very afraid of getting the HIV. BBBJ, DATY (a little) , DFK, unprotected sex. I didn't notice any cut on my lips etc until this morning I have to cuts. I don't know if the lip cuts are due to the cold and dry winter weather or were there earlier. So my DATY and DFK with a cut lip is not so good.
I am sweating buckets now. Do you think I have been infected with HIV? She seemed so open to unprotected sex, BBBJ and DFK but don't want a full blown DATY.
I have googled that I have to wait 3 months before I can do a HIV test.
What do you guys think?
Clandestine782
01-07-11, 15:03
I used to post under the nick "Getting it On", but somehow lost my password and have been lurking in the forum ever since as China has unstable VPN available. I know this is not the right thread, but this gets high-traffic. Anyway, here is the deal.
I am in Wenzhou, China regularly. Last week, I went to a massage place. Full service = RMB328. I got the full service. Face was a 7. GFE = 10. At the beginning, the girl was all GF and saying how much she loves sex and has to do it once a week. She lost her virginity at the age of 17. Claims her age to be 26. Her boobs were 33B but very soft and a bit saggy. IMHO, due to breastfeeding?
Anyway, she gives me a BBBJ and AR and I did a few licks of her pussy but she said no in a polite way (I feel 'bu hao yi shi', I don't think it is right for you as a client to be servicing me). After the third time of little licks, and she asking me to stop, I stopped.
Then she capped me and we started doing it. She immediately gave me DFK and we were at it all the time. But she didn't swallow my saliva, she spat out every 30 seconds. It was like 15 mins and I still couldn't cum. I said, probably I am not used to the condom. She then said lets take it off. I was hesitant, but my little head was doing the thinking. So she uncapped me and we fucked more. She claims she has been a prostitute for only over 1 year.
In 2 mins, I was about to cum. I said I better pull out. But she said no, its ok, shoot inside her and pulled me closer and hugged me tighter. I said what if you get pregnant, she said its ok, just shoot. I repeated my concerned, but she kept her movements and clenching her pussy muscles. She said don't worry, just shoot. So I shot my load deep inside. She held me there for 1 minute before pulling away. She then proceeded to wipe her pussy with the wet wipes quite a bit.
I said what are you going to do? She said she'll just take some sort of medication and no worries. She said that she came together at the same time as me and this is her first time having unprotected sex as she felt some sort of connection with me. I repeated my concern about her getting pregnant and asking her if she is STD free and clean. After a few times, she said she feels hurt that I ask so many times.
Now I am very afraid of getting the HIV. BBBJ, DATY (a little) , DFK, unprotected sex. I didn't notice any cut on my lips etc until this morning I have to cuts. I don't know if the lip cuts are due to the cold and dry winter weather or were there earlier. So my DATY and DFK with a cut lip is not so good.
I am sweating buckets now. Do you think I have been infected with HIV? She seemed so open to unprotected sex, BBBJ and DFK but don't want a full blown DATY.
I have googled that I have to wait 3 months before I can do a HIV test.
What do you guys think? Your question will be answered a bit faster if you just go back and RTFF. This question has been asked dozens of times. I myself have made several calculations on this form- based on transmission statistics that can be found with minimal effort.
Clandestine782
01-07-11, 15:31
Lancet Infect Dis. 2009 Feb; 9 (2) :118-29.
Heterosexual risk of HIV-1 infection per sexual act: systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies.
Boily MC, Baggaley RF, Wang L, Masse B, White RG, Hayes RJ, Alary M.
Department of Infectious Disease Epidemiology, Faculty of Medicine, Imperial College, London, UK. mc.boily@imperial.ac.uk
Abstract.
We did a systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies of the risk of HIV-1 transmission per heterosexual contact. 43 publications comprising 25 different study populations were identified. Pooled female-to-male (0. 04% per act [95% CI 0. 01-0. 14]) and male-to-female (0. 08% per act [95% CI 0. 06-0. 11]) transmission estimates in high-income countries indicated a low risk of infection in the absence of antiretrovirals. Low-income country female-to-male (0. 38% per act [95% CI 0. 13-1. 10]) and male-to-female (0. 30% per act [95% CI 0. 14-0. 63]) estimates in the absence of commercial sex exposure (CSE) were higher. In meta-regression analysis, the infectivity across estimates in the absence of CSE was significantly associated with sex, setting, the interaction between setting and sex, and antenatal HIV prevalence. The pooled receptive anal intercourse estimate was much higher (1. 7% per act [95% CI 0. 3-8. 9]). Estimates for the early and late phases of HIV infection were 9. 2 (95% CI 4. 5-18. 8) and 7. 3 (95% CI 4. 5-11. 9) times larger, respectively, than for the asymptomatic phase. After adjusting for CSE, presence or history of genital ulcers in either couple member increased per-act infectivity 5. 3 (95% CI 1. 4-19. 5) times versus no sexually transmitted infection. Study estimates among non-circumcised men were at least twice those among circumcised men. Low-income country estimates were more heterogeneous than high-income country estimates, which indicates poorer study quality, greater heterogeneity of risk factors, or under-reporting of high-risk behaviour. Efforts are needed to better understand these differences and to quantify infectivity in low-income countries.
In case your math skills are rusty 1.7% (the risk for butt sex) per act vs 0.04% (the risk for vaginal sex, female to male) per act is a 42.5 fold increase). So, IF the hooker had HIV (something like 1/100 risk, if even that), then your chances are (.0004*0.01=0.000004=0.0004% of a chance of getting infected). In the event that a hooker is 1/1000 chance to be HIV infected, then that chance drops to 0.00004% chance of getting infected. Honestly, you actually came much closer to dying in the taxi that you took there and back to get her. Plain enough?
Firstly,
I know what it is to think with your little brain. I have done it and faced consequences luckily not serious. But I got STD (HPV). Gosh when doctor told me you have HPV and I understood it as HIV (at that time I haven't heard about HPV) I was going to die.
Ok lets come to the point. Frankly you can get HIV from any girl even you use condom. There is kind of a risk for that. But even the girl is HIV+ and you have sex without condom the risks are not so high to worry but not so small to repeat the mistake of doing wo condom.
The current tests don't detect HIV virus but rather they count the number of anticores that your body produces against virus. So if you got the virus you can start to produce those in 1 month or 2. But in 3 months for 100% sure you will produce it. So if you want to have a test before 3 months you can have. If it is positive, then it means it. If it is negative, it doesn't mean anything until 3 months. But I want to say again chance of you getting virus is low don't worry that much.
There is another sign. After 2-3 weeks of sexual intercourse the virus will create some symptoms like fever, lymphadenopathy, pharyngitis, rash, myalgia, malaise, mouth and esophageal sores. It happens 80-90% of the HIV+ cases. But again keep in mind many people experience them due to psychological effect.
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On top of all, never never ever believe to what those girls say. They all say they do only with you like this bla bla bla. I believed that stuff too. But if you think clearly, you will see why am I so special to her? No reason.
Man just be calm. I think your chance of getting infected is low. I will give you statistics.
IF you have sex with an HIV positive woman without protection your chance of getting infected is 62/10,000. If you are circumcised then this is 11/10,000, less than 1. On top of it there are 790,000 people with HIV+ in China so if you multiply it with 790,000/1,300,000. Then you see you your chance is low. (last part was dumb I agree but want to cheer you up).
I don't like to use condom. Mostly it is impossible for me to come with them. If that is case with you too, try using okamoto a little uncomfortable when wearing but quit sensitive.
By the way I am living in Hangzhou. So if you ever visit by here can give me call too.
Take care.
I used to post under the nick "Getting it On", but somehow lost my password and have been lurking in the forum ever since as China has unstable VPN available. I know this is not the right thread, but this gets high-traffic. Anyway, here is the deal.
I am in Wenzhou, China regularly. Last week, I went to a massage place. Full service = RMB328. I got the full service. Face was a 7. GFE = 10. At the beginning, the girl was all GF and saying how much she loves sex and has to do it once a week. She lost her virginity at the age of 17. Claims her age to be 26. Her boobs were 33B but very soft and a bit saggy. IMHO, due to breastfeeding?
Anyway, she gives me a BBBJ and AR and I did a few licks of her pussy but she said no in a polite way (I feel 'bu hao yi shi', I don't think it is right for you as a client to be servicing me). After the third time of little licks, and she asking me to stop, I stopped.
Then she capped me and we started doing it. She immediately gave me DFK and we were at it all the time. But she didn't swallow my saliva, she spat out every 30 seconds. It was like 15 mins and I still couldn't cum. I said, probably I am not used to the condom. She then said lets take it off. I was hesitant, but my little head was doing the thinking. So she uncapped me and we fucked more. She claims she has been a prostitute for only over 1 year.
In 2 mins, I was about to cum. I said I better pull out. But she said no, its ok, shoot inside her and pulled me closer and hugged me tighter. I said what if you get pregnant, she said its ok, just shoot. I repeated my concerned, but she kept her movements and clenching her pussy muscles. She said don't worry, just shoot. So I shot my load deep inside. She held me there for 1 minute before pulling away. She then proceeded to wipe her pussy with the wet wipes quite a bit.
I said what are you going to do? She said she'll just take some sort of medication and no worries. She said that she came together at the same time as me and this is her first time having unprotected sex as she felt some sort of connection with me. I repeated my concern about her getting pregnant and asking her if she is STD free and clean. After a few times, she said she feels hurt that I ask so many times.
Now I am very afraid of getting the HIV. BBBJ, DATY (a little) , DFK, unprotected sex. I didn't notice any cut on my lips etc until this morning I have to cuts. I don't know if the lip cuts are due to the cold and dry winter weather or were there earlier. So my DATY and DFK with a cut lip is not so good.
I am sweating buckets now. Do you think I have been infected with HIV? She seemed so open to unprotected sex, BBBJ and DFK but don't want a full blown DATY.
I have googled that I have to wait 3 months before I can do a HIV test.
What do you guys think?
Clandestine782
01-07-11, 16:03
Firstly,
I know what it is to think with your little brain. I have done it and faced consequences luckily not serious. But I got STD (HPV). Gosh when doctor told me you have HPV and I understood it as HIV (at that time I haven't heard about HPV) I was going to die.
Ok lets come to the point. Frankly you can get HIV from any girl even you use condom. There is kind of a risk for that. But even the girl is HIV+ and you have sex without condom the risks are not so high to worry but not so small to repeat the mistake of doing wo condom.
The current tests don't detect HIV virus but rather they count the number of anticores that your body produces against virus. So if you got the virus you can start to produce those in 1 month or 2. But in 3 months for 100% sure you will produce it. So if you want to have a test before 3 months you can have. If it is positive, then it means it. If it is negative, it doesn't mean anything until 3 months. But I want to say again chance of you getting virus is low don't worry that much.
There is another sign. After 2-3 weeks of sexual intercourse the virus will create some symptoms like fever, lymphadenopathy, pharyngitis, rash, myalgia, malaise, mouth and esophageal sores. It happens 80-90% of the HIV+ cases. But again keep in mind many people experience them due to psychological effect.
-
On top of all, never never ever believe to what those girls say. They all say they do only with you like this bla bla bla. I believed that stuff too. But if you think clearly, you will see why am I so special to her? No reason.
Man just be calm. I think your chance of getting infected is low. I will give you statistics.
IF you have sex with an HIV positive woman without protection your chance of getting infected is 62/10, 000. If you are circumcised then this is 11/10, 000, less than 1. On top of it there are 790, 000 people with HIV+ in China so if you multiply it with 790, 000/1, 300, 000. Then you see you your chance is low. (last part was dumb I agree but want to cheer you up).
I don't like to use condom. Mostly it is impossible for me to come with them. If that is case with you too, try using okamoto a little uncomfortable when wearing but quit sensitive.
By the way I am living in Hangzhou. So if you ever visit by here can give me call too.
Take care. Actually, it is even less bad than you think. Of the people in China who have HIV, something like over 90% can be explained by homosexuality and drug abuse. Since the calculation has already been done elsewhere, go back and look over my previous posts about how the HIV infection rates among gays actually overpredict the total number of infections extant in the country.
HPV is the most commonly transmitted STD. One "working girl" who posts on here says that most people get one or two small warts and then have those lopped off and they never come back. And even the procedure (in China) for getting one lopped off in China costs about 80RMB and takes 10 minutes. Be careful, because if you get topical yeast infections (men can get these too, and I get them ALL THE TIME) , then they will give false positives for HPV.
Also, the symptoms of an initial HIV infection show up after 24 hours. Not 3 weeks. They are something like the flu.
Crazyjoe China
01-12-11, 17:05
Thank you very much to berkonal, clandestine782 for both your assurances and taking time to reply.
I ALWAYS RTFF and actually did so and also googled for 2 days on HIV and AIDS.
Anyway, I went to get 2 pops 2 days ago in Zhongshan, Guangzhou and Dongguan.
Haha. Well, I will still be going for my checkup in 2 weeks time. I hope it turns out negative.
I will definitely give you a msg if I am in Hangzhou. I heard that in Xiaoshan is where the action goes on.
I am reading that the HIV rate in the United States is 0. 6. That is equal to 6 people out of every 1, 000.
So, if you think about it:
Gays account for about 3-4% of the population (not 10, like so many idiots seem to believe- no thanks to Kinsey for that study). So, if the US was a country of 10, 000 people, then:
60 people would be HIV positive.
300 would be gay (let's assume 3% in one calculation and 4% in the other- reasons to become clear later).
If 1 gay person out of 5 is HIV positve, then that means 60 people and accounts for 100% of HIV cases in the US.
Taking the 4% number (of gays) as correct, if the US was 10, 000 people then.
60 people would still be HIV positive.
400 would be gay.
Of those that were gay. 80 would be HIV infected-which is actually an overprediction of the number of HIV cases.
I can see one of three cases:
1. Either the number of gay people is higher than 3-4%
2. If that is right, then the number of HIV cases in the whole US is understated (the value of 0. 6% is from 2003).
3. There was some asymmetry in the measurement of gay men with HIV that made it such that men in cities were measured with HIV at a much higher rate than gay men nationwide.
In any case, homosexuality seems to account for the overwhelming majority of HIV infection. 3% of the population accounting for almost all of the HIV. Hmm. Pretty interesting.
So what is the percentage of gay men with HIV? So we can compare the actual number with the number you figured out.
Clandestine782
01-20-11, 20:01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/23/AR2010092306828.html
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/23/AR2010092306828.html
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdfThanks for that.
Was thinking a little the other day (dangerous).
The %'s we talk about here, are high for 'risky activity': gay, needle drug user. 3rd world countries. However, shouldn't visiting prostitutes be in that category? Then, raising our risk of infection and raising our % chance of getting infected?
3rd world countries.No, that applies only to 3rd world countries in the sub sahara africa.
One of the biggest risk groups in the us:
Black man
Vincelee76
01-22-11, 00:50
I used to post under the nick "Getting it On", but somehow lost my password and have been lurking in the forum ever since as China has unstable VPN available. I know this is not the right thread, but this gets high-traffic. Anyway, here is the deal.
I am in Wenzhou, China regularly. Last week, I went to a massage place. Full service = RMB328. I got the full service. Face was a 7. GFE = 10. At the beginning, the girl was all GF and saying how much she loves sex and has to do it once a week. She lost her virginity at the age of 17. Claims her age to be 26. Her boobs were 33B but very soft and a bit saggy. IMHO, due to breastfeeding?
Anyway, she gives me a BBBJ and AR and I did a few licks of her pussy but she said no in a polite way (I feel 'bu hao yi shi', I don't think it is right for you as a client to be servicing me). After the third time of little licks, and she asking me to stop, I stopped.
Then she capped me and we started doing it. She immediately gave me DFK and we were at it all the time. But she didn't swallow my saliva, she spat out every 30 seconds. It was like 15 mins and I still couldn't cum. I said, probably I am not used to the condom. She then said lets take it off. I was hesitant, but my little head was doing the thinking. So she uncapped me and we fucked more. She claims she has been a prostitute for only over 1 year.
In 2 mins, I was about to cum. I said I better pull out. But she said no, its ok, shoot inside her and pulled me closer and hugged me tighter. I said what if you get pregnant, she said its ok, just shoot. I repeated my concerned, but she kept her movements and clenching her pussy muscles. She said don't worry, just shoot. So I shot my load deep inside. She held me there for 1 minute before pulling away. She then proceeded to wipe her pussy with the wet wipes quite a bit.
I said what are you going to do? She said she'll just take some sort of medication and no worries. She said that she came together at the same time as me and this is her first time having unprotected sex as she felt some sort of connection with me. I repeated my concern about her getting pregnant and asking her if she is STD free and clean. After a few times, she said she feels hurt that I ask so many times.
Now I am very afraid of getting the HIV. BBBJ, DATY (a little) , DFK, unprotected sex. I didn't notice any cut on my lips etc until this morning I have to cuts. I don't know if the lip cuts are due to the cold and dry winter weather or were there earlier. So my DATY and DFK with a cut lip is not so good.
I am sweating buckets now. Do you think I have been infected with HIV? She seemed so open to unprotected sex, BBBJ and DFK but don't want a full blown DATY.
I have googled that I have to wait 3 months before I can do a HIV test.
What do you guys think? Crazyjoe in China, yes, you are a crazy guy.
Who in their right minds would have sex with hookers in China and don't use condom? You scare the living heck out of me. If any girl in China won't use condom, I would walk away immediately! Those girls have sex with 5 different men every night. Geeeeee. You should know better.
The statistics say China has 790, 000. This figure is according to their public records. In reality, it is actually 10 times that number. The highest group of people that has HIV in China are the young women age 18 to 30. You can't believe those government reports from China either. Those communist are notorious for lying.
I have been to China many times myself. If you continue to have un protected sex. You will get no sympathy from me.
I used to post under the nick "Getting it On", but somehow lost my password and have been lurking in the forum ever since as China has unstable VPN available. I know this is not the right thread, but this gets high-traffic. Anyway, here is the deal.
I am in Wenzhou, China regularly. Last week, I went to a massage place. Full service = RMB328. I got the full service. Face was a 7. GFE = 10. At the beginning, the girl was all GF and saying how much she loves sex and has to do it once a week. She lost her virginity at the age of 17. Claims her age to be 26. Her boobs were 33B but very soft and a bit saggy. IMHO, due to breastfeeding?
Anyway, she gives me a BBBJ and AR and I did a few licks of her pussy but she said no in a polite way (I feel 'bu hao yi shi', I don't think it is right for you as a client to be servicing me). After the third time of little licks, and she asking me to stop, I stopped.
Then she capped me and we started doing it. She immediately gave me DFK and we were at it all the time. But she didn't swallow my saliva, she spat out every 30 seconds. It was like 15 mins and I still couldn't cum. I said, probably I am not used to the condom. She then said lets take it off. I was hesitant, but my little head was doing the thinking. So she uncapped me and we fucked more. She claims she has been a prostitute for only over 1 year.
In 2 mins, I was about to cum. I said I better pull out. But she said no, its ok, shoot inside her and pulled me closer and hugged me tighter. I said what if you get pregnant, she said its ok, just shoot. I repeated my concerned, but she kept her movements and clenching her pussy muscles. She said don't worry, just shoot. So I shot my load deep inside. She held me there for 1 minute before pulling away. She then proceeded to wipe her pussy with the wet wipes quite a bit.
I said what are you going to do? She said she'll just take some sort of medication and no worries. She said that she came together at the same time as me and this is her first time having unprotected sex as she felt some sort of connection with me. I repeated my concern about her getting pregnant and asking her if she is STD free and clean. After a few times, she said she feels hurt that I ask so many times.
Now I am very afraid of getting the HIV. BBBJ, DATY (a little) , DFK, unprotected sex. I didn't notice any cut on my lips etc until this morning I have to cuts. I don't know if the lip cuts are due to the cold and dry winter weather or were there earlier. So my DATY and DFK with a cut lip is not so good.
I am sweating buckets now. Do you think I have been infected with HIV? She seemed so open to unprotected sex, BBBJ and DFK but don't want a full blown DATY.
I have googled that I have to wait 3 months before I can do a HIV test.
What do you guys think? Been there, done that, know exactly how it feels. Don't freak yourself out, don't read the internet to learn of symptoms, etc. Keep cool. Get tested. Carry on with your life. In a few months you can get retested and find out you are negative. In future, it is important that you prepare for these meetings. Buy a condom you know will provide sensitivity, and don't get to wasted before jumping in the sack. If you play smarter, you will stay much safer. I hope everything works out for you, as I am sure it will.
Clandestine782
01-24-11, 18:41
Crazyjoe in China, yes, you are a crazy guy.
Who in their right minds would have sex with hookers in China and don't use condom? You scare the living heck out of me. If any girl in China won't use condom, I would walk away immediately! Those girls have sex with 5 different men every night. Geeeeee. You should know better.
The statistics say China has 790, 000. This figure is according to their public records. In reality, it is actually 10 times that number. The highest group of people that has HIV in China are the young women age 18 to 30. You can't believe those government reports from China either. Those communist are notorious for lying.
I have been to China many times myself. If you continue to have un protected sex. You will get no sympathy from me. 1. How do you know that the number of HIV positive people are 10 times higher than what are officially stated? Can I see your source?
2. A lot of 3rd party reports can demonstrate that nearly all of the HIV can be explained by Money Boys and other gay things. Even if the numer was 10 times what was expected, something like 90% of that number could still be explained by gay sex/ drug abuse (which is almost a 100% effective way to transmit HIV).
3. May I suggest that you RTFF and look at some of the calculations that have been posted with respect to this topic?
4. The per contact rate for hookers is nothing like 5 per night at saunas. The most is 2 per day.
5. The contact rate for BBS hookers is probably a bit higher, but they tend to do that job for much shorter periods of time. I talked to some hookers that claimed to make 10, 000 per month (which was questionable, but I digress). If they made 100RMB per transaction and worked 20 days per month, that would work out to 5 people per working day. Other hookers (the rare ones that have been willing to answer how many customers that they have per day) say something like 4 customers per day (at most). I think it is more like 3 customers per day on average for most BBS girls, and even less for chubby / less attractive girls.
6. Why don't you play with the numbers that were presented on here for HIV transmission rates and see if you can guess what the spread of HIV should be given some number of contacts (a) , a per contract transmission rate (be) , the number of people that are known to be HIV positive in China (see) , and estimates for the number of people that are hookers.
7. If 1 woman out of every 100 is a hooker (between, say, the ages of 18-30) and there are 8 million people positive, what percentage of hookers would have to be infected?
Maybe you guys are getting tired at this point, but:
1. I hate tut-tutters;
2. I hate tut-tutters that aren't up on the facts even more;
3. I hate tut-tutters that aren't up on the facts and yet still try to take an opportunity to turn the board into a pulpit.
If someone is going bareback (and they are not positive, nor trying to infect a girl) , I can't see what is the point of leaving that person to do what he wants to do.
Crazyjoe, for the last time: All things considered, you are actually more likely to die in the taxi on the way to (or from) getting the girl than you are from an HIV infection from some given girl.
Clandestine782
01-24-11, 19:04
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20104110
Grey Soul 15
03-04-11, 04:41
Hello, I'm currently looking for somewhere that sells the OraQuick ADVANCE® Rapid HIV-1/2 Antibody Test at a good price. You can see what kit I'm talking about by going here:
http://www.orasure.com/products-infectious/products-infectious-oraquick.asp
The best price I've found so far is $395. 85 for a box of 25 tests with free shipping. That works out to $15. 83 a test, which is pretty inexpensive. Especially when you consider that it lets you know if the woman you're about to bang has AIDS. Except when someone is newly infected and they're with in the 6 month time period which HIV isn't detectable.
But even so it's still difficult for me to drop nearly $400. 00 on a bunch of tests, even if the per test price is completely reasonable. I'm wondering if anyone knows if I can find these tests even more inexpensively? Perhaps subsidized by a local government. I have done some research on that, and while that is sometimes the case, I've only been able to find these tests being administered for free at a specified testing site. Not much help if you're hundreds or thousands of miles away and ready to bang.
Anyway if anyone can help I would appreciate it greatly.
Bareback Jack
04-09-11, 00:08
....All things considered, you are actually more likely to die in the taxi on the way to (or from) getting the girl than you are from an HIV infection from some given girl.I agree with you 100.
Anyway please consider the following: You are much more likely to infect a girl through your body fluids than vice versa.
Apart from that any bareback activity is risky. Just about any STI can be spread via BBBJ as well and while most of them are not life threatening the long term effects can be very bad if undiscovered.
Personally I have never enjoyed sex with a condom no matter what brand. My approach to this is therefore the following. If I find a girl worth it (to have her for LT) I will take her for testing. I will accept the residual risk that this is never an exact science. The balance so far in my life: I never had a STI and still HIV negative.
I had a partner for over two years who turned out to be HIV+. This was more than 10 years ago. She knew it for a while but was hiding it from me. It eventually came to light when she was denied a US immigration visa due to a communicable disease. I remember that I panicked back then and got tested frantically every few weeks. I am and remain negative and healthy. Maybe I have just been lucky or the words of one of the doctors was actually closer to the truth. She said 'don't worry about it too much and stay positive. HIV is actually harder to transmit via sexual intercourse than you might think'.
Member #2041
04-09-11, 02:16
I agree with you 100.
Anyway please consider the following: You are much more likely to infect a girl through your body fluids than vice versa.
Apart from that any bareback activity is risky. Just about any STI can be spread via BBBJ as well and while most of them are not life threatening the long term effects can be very bad if undiscovered.
Personally I have never enjoyed sex with a condom no matter what brand. My approach to this is therefore the following. If I find a girl worth it (to have her for LT) I will take her for testing. I will accept the residual risk that this is never an exact science. The balance so far in my life: I never had a STI and still HIV negative.
I had a partner for over two years who turned out to be HIV+. This was more than 10 years ago. She knew it for a while but was hiding it from me. It eventually came to light when she was denied a US immigration visa due to a communicable disease. I remember that I panicked back then and got tested frantically every few weeks. I am and remain negative and healthy. Maybe I have just been lucky or the words of one of the doctors was actually closer to the truth. She said 'don't worry about it too much and stay positive. HIV is actually harder to transmit via sexual intercourse than you might think'. Actually, she probably had it for a while. HIV is much more communicable F to M under two circumstances: 1) Both partners have open lesions. Or 2) Right at the beginning of the time when an individual is infected, for a several week period, the viral load and the transmissability are by far at their highest. After a person is infected, after a couple of months, the transmission ability of the virus drops substantially and then stays at this much lower level, and at that point, usually circumstance #1 must be present for infection to occur.
I do not belong to the club that seeks to bareback fuck. There's AIDS, and there's a number of other things that can do a number on you. I will just tell you what works for me re fucking, and that is the fairly recent discovery by me of polyurethane condoms, which have the advantage that you can use oil, for example olive oil. For me, fucking with olive oil and one of these oil-resistant condoms has resulted in some very good fucks. And that's a fact. Re oral sex, I think it really is virtually impossible for you to contract anything with bareback oral sex. Conceivably you could transmit something to her, if you have something. And you should consider that. But otherwise, in terms of the danger of you contracting AIDS or anything else via oral sex without a barrier, it is less than negligible. For fucking with a condom, for you guys who don't like condoms, try this oil-resistant condoms with oil. It works for me.
Joe, also been there and done that. Get the new 4th generation antigen test. HIV Ag / Ab Combo Assay. You don't have to wait three months as the window period is now reduced to 28 days and supposed to be very accurate in terms of results.
Hasideas Tao
06-03-11, 23:14
which brands are you referring to? i'd liek to check that out.
for fucking with a condom, for you guys who don't like condoms, try this oil-resistant condoms with oil. it works for me.
Mr Enternational
06-05-11, 17:28
Here is an article my wingman sent me about HIV being cured:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110603/us_yblog_thelookout/first-man-functionally-cured-of-hiv
Anil Fedrik
06-05-11, 17:36
try this oil-resistant condoms with oil. it works for me.never heard anything about this, can you provide more details
i do not belong to the club that seeks to bareback fuck. there's aids, and there's a number of other things that can do a number on you. i will just tell you what works for me re fucking, and that is the fairly recent discovery by me of polyurethane condoms, which have the advantage that you can use oil, for example olive oil. for me, fucking with olive oil and one of these oil-resistant condoms has resulted in some very good fucks. and that's a fact. re oral sex, i think it really is virtually impossible for you to contract anything with bareback oral sex. conceivably you could transmit something to her, if you have something. and you should consider that. but otherwise, in terms of the danger of you contracting aids or anything else via oral sex without a barrier, it is less than negligible. for fucking with a condom, for you guys who don't like condoms, try this oil-resistant condoms with oil. it works for me.i beg to differ with you. body fluids are body fluids. whether they're in the "naughty" part of the body, or your mouth. how do you think that one woman (many years ago) got it from her dentist? it wasn't because they were doing the nasty in his office, or anywhere else for that matter. if the woman you're boinking has it, and especially if you're going bareback, odds are you just bought the farm, no matter which orifice you're using.
Bareback Jack
06-07-11, 22:17
Something worth considering http://www.rethinkingaids.com/
Bigbob1234
07-03-11, 06:36
I beg to differ with you. Body fluids are body fluids. Whether they're in the "naughty" part of the body, or your mouth. How do you think that one woman (many years ago) got it from her dentist? It wasn't because they were doing the nasty in his office, or anywhere else for that matter. If the woman you're boinking has it, and especially if you're going bareback, odds are you just bought the farm, no matter which orifice you're using.I beg to differ here, and why:
That case is a rather poor example. The cirumstances involved are unknown and vague at best, since the dentist wore surgical gloves and a latex mask, and neither the patient nor the dentist himself could recall any situation where there could have been any contact between body fluids. The woman was there to get 2 teeth pulled, blood was definitely involved, and since blood to blood contact is the easiest route of aids transmission, its possible that there was some kind of blood / blood contact between the woman and her dentist that neither of them noticed, or someone negligently decided to overlook. Fact is, the chances of getting infected in this way are so astronomical that it can be ignored for all practical purposes. If anyone else has sources to another similar case, I'm all ears.
Situations like the one above are the grossly rare exception, and doesn't mean "body fluids are body fluids" are a surefire way to transmit hiv. The HIV specializing doctors over at www.medhelp.org (hiv international, hiv prevention) forums unanimously agree kissing cannot transmit hiv, and that oral sex is safe sex, in regards to HIV. They cite zero documented cases where hiv was transmitted in oral sex, be it BBBJ or DATY. And isolated incidents of unprotected vaginal sex, such as during condom break, very rarely transmit hiv. Transmission rates and number crunching has already been posted by other members on this forum, so I won't go into that here. Hiv infection generally occurs when people engage in REPEATED high risk sexual encounters, ie. Unprotected vaginal, anal. My rant is only regarding hiv, other stds are much more easily transmitted, so one should always be careful. Whichever way the disease is spread, doesn't mean anyone should play Russian roulette with their life. People on this website especially (a very high risk group) should take care and always use protection, not just for themselves, but also for the girls and their potential clients (other forum members).
Sources for additional reading if anyone is interested.
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19900727&slug=1084544
www.medhelp.org Hiv international / hiv prevention forums
I just read this thread back to posts during 2004. I didn't notice anyone mention that HIV is no longer considered a death sentence, but rather a disease like diabetes. This has been the case for a number of years.
Also the following post from the Safe Sex in Thailand topic seems relevant here:
BTW. I did some research, and I found out that there's a different strain of HIV in Thailand. Barebacking sex workers has a risk as high as 1 in 300 of catching HIV.
The american HIV is more based on blood as in from gay / anal sex, which is why only 10% HIV+ in America is hetero. Here it's 80% HIV+ are hetero.
The infection rate from the HIV strain in America is 1 in 500-1000. Here it's 1 in 30-50. 2% thai are HIV+, but for sex workers it's 10% or more.
10% * 1 in 30 = 1 in 300.
http://thailandguru.com/hiv-aids-thailand.htmlInteresting link, but what I've been reading on the subject does not agree with a number of things you've posted above.
As regards the notion that the HIV-E strain dominant in Thailand is much more potent or far easier to catch than the HIV-B strain dominant in America, some more recent studies than that your source referred to did not support that theory.
The estimates for HIV infection in Siam I've been seeing are not your figure of 2 percent, but around 1% {0. 67-1. 5%} of the population. Even if we go with the high 10% number you gave for P4P TG's, consider the following comment:
"If we take Degan's number of 1/2000, and use 10% infection in the target group (and that is probably too large, but we'll go with it) , we arrive at 13, 862. 6 sexual encounters to have a 50% probability of infection. That's a different partner every single day for about 38 years, and then it is only even money you are infected."
IMO once BBing a random Thai sex worker would have a far lower risk probability for getting HIV than your rate of 1 in 300. I believe that is way off even if she is known to have the disease, so consider how much more wrong it is when you give that as a figure for a random BB encounter, that is, one with a P4P TG of unknown HIV status. According to Wikipedia under HIV transmission the risk is estimated at 1 in 2000 for an act of vaginal sex with a HIV positive female.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV
"I think the high rate of hetero infection in Thailand is simply due to the fact it is a more promiscuous society. The sex industry is so pervasive, there is simply more extramarital activity occuring. It remains to be proven that Subtype E is any more invasive. The fact that it has not become more prevalent in the West after many years contradicts the theory.
"Seems like a reach to me. Have they accounted for how huge the sex trade is in Thailand, needle use in Thailand. This is just a thought, but in the beginning, aids was thought of as a homosexual disease. Segregation between the orientations kept the spread to homosexuals for a long time. Would it not be hard to believe that hiv had its root in heterosexual sex in Thailand and that segregation again slows the transmission to the homosexual population, which could account for the 80% prevalence in heterorsexuals. I don't know, I just don't see that statistic as proof that E type is more transmissionable then B type"
"I figure that if there is any difference in reported HIV transmission route here in Thailand is probably more likely down to people not answering truthfully questions on how they got the virus. Can't Imagine that many Thais admitting to anal sex, gay sex or injecting drug use. Besides how would it account for the fact that HIV cases in Thailand are 70%+ males? Especially when it's far easier for women to catch than men.
"He rambles about how much easier subtype E is to acquire compared to other clades. If that was the case, it would have become dominant worldwide a long time ago! It doesn't make sense. The reason HIV is predominantly heterosexual in Thailand is same as why HIV is heterosexual in Africa. Rampant prostitution with low condom usage. Why look for complex answers when you have an obvious one? This guy may be a guru, but he doesn't sound anything like an HIV expert to me.
"Female to male transmission occurs more readily if the man is uncircumcized". In Thailand only 13% are circumcised, most of these Muslims. In the USA and Canada 70 and 30 percent are reported as being circumcised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision
"This study basically says that they should look for other reasons why strain E is spreading so fast in South East Asia."
http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/71/10/8001.pdf
Member #4349
09-26-11, 01:31
I read recently studies shows that taking truvada had a prophylactic effect for HIV. In fact it lowered the chances of getting it by 66% (if memory serves). Seems they had a control group of people with one partner infected and a treated group of same. Results were based on fewer partners being infected when partners had the drug.
I don't plan to go bb all the time, but you know slips happen.
How practical is it to take truvada before during and after a monger trip to improve my odds?
Further what regime should I use to get max benefit?
Studies say this pill is available at regular pharmacies? What cost?
Tingletree
10-05-11, 13:23
I was interested to read your contribution Biffa. I think there is a huge amount of misinformation about HIV. I have been living with HIV for over 4 years. My partner is HIV+. At this point in time I remain HIV negative. We have been practicing unprotected sex for most of that time. I have been advised by the specialists that the infection rate is very unlikely given that her viral load is undetectable and her CD4 is now returning to the lower end of normal. That is how far the medication has progressed and many discordant couples now wish to lead 'normal' sex lives.
As to using these medications as a prophylactic medication, that would need to be carefully supervised by a doctor due to the dangers associated with the medication and possible side effects. It is also very expensive. We paid $450 for a month's treatment overseas.
I am not recommending being careless in sex. I would not engage in unprotected sex with a stranger in Thailand. They may not know they are positive and have a huge viral load. It is not worth the risk. But I often feel sorry for punters who make a 'careless mistake' as assume the grim reaper is there to take them away. It is not a death sentence. You would never know my partner was 'ill'.
Keep it safe!
Member #4349
10-13-11, 01:16
I was interested to read your contribution Biffa. I think there is a huge amount of misinformation about HIV. I have been living with HIV for over 4 years. My partner is HIV+. At this point in time I remain HIV negative. We have been practicing unprotected sex for most of that time. I have been advised by the specialists that the infection rate is very unlikely given that her viral load is undetectable and her CD4 is now returning to the lower end of normal. That is how far the medication has progressed and many discordant couples now wish to lead 'normal' sex lives.
As to using these medications as a prophylactic medication, that would need to be carefully supervised by a doctor due to the dangers associated with the medication and possible side effects. It is also very expensive. We paid $450 for a month's treatment overseas.
I am not recommending being careless in sex. I would not engage in unprotected sex with a stranger in Thailand. They may not know they are positive and have a huge viral load. It is not worth the risk. But I often feel sorry for punters who make a 'careless mistake' as assume the grim reaper is there to take them away. It is not a death sentence. You would never know my partner was 'ill'.
Keep it safe!Yes I know the chances are smaller than you may think, and that I don't plan to go bb, its just that if I could reduce the odds in my favour even more, then I may consider $450 a bargain, after all the air fare alone is twice that.
What are the Dangers and side effects of Truvada?
Mtraveller
10-13-11, 09:29
Your statement is correct, for you, that is a healthy American / European living with a HIV+ partner whose infection is under control, is healthy and under close medical supervision (so that en increase in virus load would be quickly detected) the infection risk through unprotected intercourse is effectively zero (lower then most other risks in live). Swiss doctors officially recommended unprotected intercourse for the purpose of pregnancy for a couple like you.
But this is NOT true for many HIV+ people in other parts of the world. If the girl does not take her medication has other issues (like tuberculosis) , is bleeding (because the previous lover was a bit rough) then the its quite another story. So please always put it in context when you say that for you infection risk is low.
Thanks.
I was interested to read your contribution Biffa. I think there is a huge amount of misinformation about HIV. I have been living with HIV for over 4 years. My partner is HIV+. At this point in time I remain HIV negative. We have been practicing unprotected sex for most of that time. I have been advised by the specialists that the infection rate is very unlikely given that her viral load is undetectable and her CD4 is now returning to the lower end of normal. That is how far the medication has progressed and many discordant couples now wish to lead 'normal' sex lives.
As to using these medications as a prophylactic medication, that would need to be carefully supervised by a doctor due to the dangers associated with the medication and possible side effects. It is also very expensive. We paid $450 for a month's treatment overseas.
I am not recommending being careless in sex. I would not engage in unprotected sex with a stranger in Thailand. They may not know they are positive and have a huge viral load. It is not worth the risk. But I often feel sorry for punters who make a 'careless mistake' as assume the grim reaper is there to take them away. It is not a death sentence. You would never know my partner was 'ill'.
Keep it safe!
Tingletree
10-15-11, 13:48
I fully agree with your comment MTraveller. I was reflecting my situation. Presently. Truth is, before my partner was diagnosed as HIV+ she was being treated for TB and Hepatitis. I would certainly recommend taking precautions (other than Truvada) but also think there is a common perception that HIV is a death sentence. In many countries without access to state of the art medication, it is a death sentence. Lucky life in the West!
Pretty interesting.
So what is the percentage of gay men with HIV? So we can compare the actual number with the number you figured out.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm
Of men living with HIV in the US in 2009,
60% were gay;
21% were injection drug users;
9% were both gay and injection drug users;
8% had contracted the disease through heterosexual intercourse; and
1.5% were given as "Other".
Member #4349
07-21-12, 09:17
Should mongers take a course of Truvada before indulging in our high-risk behaviour?
For a couple of hundred dollars could we take the drug for several weeks and have increased (but not total) resistance to the HIV virus?
Granted we would have to watch for all the other sti's, and its not an entirely effective method. I travel sub saharan Africa quite a lot, Kenya etc, I meet plrenty women, pro's amateurs etc, I'd love not to have to be a total condom nazi in these circumstances, but I'm not keen on any "condition" for the rest of my life either.
And how long would I have to carry on taking the drug after arriving back home, and moderating high risk behaviour?
Could I do this for several years running before and after my annual shag-fest holiday?
I know I could combine it with testing my girls with the instant-hiv test kits to make doubly sure. Thing is I wouldn't like to tell anyone they're infected, and it would sure spoil the atmospher
IcemanRaul
08-03-12, 05:58
Hi,
This happened a few days back. I went to a prostitute. Anyways I inserted my fingers and then also performed oral sex on her for a few minutes. However when I put my condom on and had sex and after a few minutes I pulled out and saw that she was bleeding. I think so she was still on her cycle. I do not know if I swallowed a bit of blood at the time of oral sex or not cause when I fingered I did not see any blood. Anyways I do not know if she is HIV infected or not but if she is can I be infected if I swallow any blood or fluid or by fingering her. I had an old cut on the finger which had dried up as well which I had used.
Delta Indigo
08-03-12, 16:57
Hi,
This happened a few days back. I went to a prostitute. Anyways I inserted my fingers and then also performed oral sex on her for a few minutes. However when I put my condom on and had sex and after a few minutes I pulled out and saw that she was bleeding. I think so she was still on her cycle. I do not know if I swallowed a bit of blood at the time of oral sex or not cause when I fingered I did not see any blood. Anyways I do not know if she is HIV infected or not but if she is can I be infected if I swallow any blood or fluid or by fingering her. I had an old cut on the finger which had dried up as well which I had used.Hiv does not spread easily from your digestive system to infect someone. Even if you swallowed a tiny bit of infected blood, you should be okay even if she is infected, but I am not sure you are totally safe. I would not worry about the old cut at all.
I think the risk level here is very low, but if you are unsure get tested to give yourself peace of mind.
I think 99. 99999% you are okay.
Clandestine782
01-11-13, 13:19
Something interesting in China.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3156129/
If we do the math:
1, 350 million Chinese people.
Imagine that 51% are men. 688. 5 million.
Between the ages of 0-14 are 17. 4% are the population.
Between the ages of 15-64 are 73. 5% of the population.
Over 64 is the remainder. Those first two numbers total up to 90. 9% of the population. We'll assume that males are the same as females up until 64. It's only later that they start to really drop off.
I would imagine that the risky group of men would be between 18-42 years old. That is a total of 24 years of fucking time. 24 years out of 64 years = 37. 5% Let's imagine that the number of those men (who are between 18 and 42 at any given time) are in proportion to their number of years in the cohort.
I calculate the number of men between 18-42 to be: 50% of 37. 5% of 90. 9% of the total Chinese population. That works out to 230, 000, 000 men.
Between 3-4% of men are gay in any given population. That's 6. 9-9. 2 million Chinese men who are: 1. Gay; 2. Between 18-42.
According to the article. 4.7% of gay men are HIV positive. That works out to 324, 441-432, 400 gay men.
The total of 740, 000 people are thought to be HIV positive in China. 43. 8% of HIV in 1. 5% of the population. Or, if you imagine that gay men are 4% of the population, then you get 58% of HIV in 2% of the population. Hmmmm.
MichealRen1
01-11-13, 16:06
Hiv does not spread easily from your digestive system to infect someone. Even if you swallowed a tiny bit of infected blood, you should be okay even if she is infected, but I am not sure you are totally safe. I would not worry about the old cut at all.
I think the risk level here is very low, but if you are unsure get tested to give yourself peace of mind.
I think 99. 99999% you are okay.Bro,
What are chances of transmission thru Oral sex, of course we miss the fun, been blown with a condom.
Does anyone know something about this drug? Any doctors among us? I mean real doctors, I specify this because months ago, in a german thread, I got unpleasant comments from a selfclaiming doctor, he was stating some ridiculous things about herpes following a discussion about somebody's questions. I learnt about miramistin by reading our fellow Jymondor in the AO thread tonight. If it works, all STDs and STIs would be cancelled from earth, it should be known and used everywhere, I travelled a lot but never heard about it. I just read several pages from google search, it was studied and developed in Russia in around 1994, nearly 20 years and still unknown and not copied in western countries?
Clandestine782
02-03-13, 08:59
Bro,
What are chances of transmission thru Oral sex, of course we miss the fun, been blown with a condom.Very nearly zero. Saliva has some type of destructive effect on HIV. Not sure about the mechanistic details. Of course, there are many other things that you COULD get, but HIV is very unlikely to be one of them through BBBJ.
Clandestine782
02-03-13, 09:20
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/inc/content/chart.htm?/hiv/topics/surveillance/images/statistics_incidence_graph_550x319.jpg
This is something interesting. I found this in the context of looking for something else.
Since this is so trivial, I get something like:
40950 new infections per annum.
27. 3% are in White MSMs.
25. 9% are in Black MSMs.
16. 3% are in Hispanic MSMs.
So far we have 69. 5% of new infections in gay men (of all races). If you do the math, gay men might be something like 1. 5-2% of the population. So, the risk ratio (defined as the rate of infections vs. Number in population) is about 46.3:1-34.75:1.
Going a bit further:
Black heterosexuals (male and female combined) are 19. 5. Risk ratio of blacks: 1. 5:1 Assume 13% of population.
All heterosexuals (black, white, hispanic) : 25. 6%
Risk ratio: 0. 26:1. Assume 97% of population.
I'll ignore the information for drug users. It's too small to worry about.
So, the risk ratio for all heterosexuals vs all homosexuals is: 178:1 all the way down to 134:1 (calculated by taking the ratio of the relative risk).
No one will engage me on this point, but I would argue that this would be a way to estimate the relative likelihood of HIV contraction for a single act of unprotected heterosexual sex vs homosexual sex. It may well be over 100 times more likely (and just under 200 times more likely) that you can be infected with HIV from gay sex as from straight sex through a person who is HIV positive.
So, your best choice for a partner would be:
White heterosexuals nonwhite heterosexuals white gays all gays black gays
To tell the truth, if you're a travelling pussy hunter, doesn't the rising threat of resistant gonorrhoea now dwarf the risk of becoming HIV positive? Maybe we should have a new thread on this forum dedicated to this looming thing. I would be curious whether some of our fellow mongers have been unfortunate enough to be infected with such a bug.
P.S. : I also know of a couple where the woman who was HIV positive and taking the medications hadn't informed her lover of her status. Their relationship involving lots of anal sex went on for 3 years before he got wind. He got himself tested and turned out negative. He was first furious at her and wanted to break up but they're now together again, whether barebacking as ever I don't know.
Does anyone know something about this drug?It seems to be for external use. In other words it's no use once you are infected. There are plenty of substances out there - eg the sterilising solutions used in hospitals - that kill all bacteria and viruses when used on the skin or outside the body. Nothing new there IMO.
Cartagena Tout
02-11-13, 05:24
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/inc/content/chart.htm?/hiv/topics/surveillance/images/statistics_incidence_graph_550x319.jpg
This is something interesting. I found this in the context of looking for something else.
Since this is so trivial, I get something like:
40950 new infections per annum.
27. 3% are in White MSMs.
25. 9% are in Black MSMs.
16. 3% are in Hispanic MSMs.
So far we have 69. 5% of new infections in gay men (of all races). If you do the math, gay men might be something like 1. 5-2% of the population. So, the risk ratio (defined as the rate of infections vs. Number in population) is about 46. 3:1-34. 75:1.
Going a bit further:
Black heterosexuals (male and female combined) are 19. 5. Risk ratio of blacks: 1. 5:1 Assume 13% of population.
All heterosexuals (black, white, hispanic) : 25. 6%
Risk ratio: 0. 26:1. Assume 97% of population.
I'll ignore the information for drug users. It's too small to worry about.
So, the risk ratio for all heterosexuals vs all homosexuals is: 178:1 all the way down to 134:1 (calculated by taking the ratio of the relative risk).
No one will engage me on this point, but I would argue that this would be a way to estimate the relative likelihood of HIV contraction for a single act of unprotected heterosexual sex vs homosexual sex. It may well be over 100 times more likely (and just under 200 times more likely) that you can be infected with HIV from gay sex as from straight sex through a person who is HIV positive.
So, your best choice for a partner would be:
White heterosexuals nonwhite heterosexuals white gays all gays black gaysNo documented case through oral sex and questionable through straight sex for a male. If you have HIV and you're a male. You are bisexual, gay, drug user. Thanks
Cartagena Tout
02-11-13, 05:31
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/inc/content/chart.htm?/hiv/topics/surveillance/images/statistics_incidence_graph_550x319.jpg
This is something interesting. I found this in the context of looking for something else.
Since this is so trivial, I get something like:
40950 new infections per annum.
27. 3% are in White MSMs.
25. 9% are in Black MSMs.
16. 3% are in Hispanic MSMs.
So far we have 69. 5% of new infections in gay men (of all races). If you do the math, gay men might be something like 1. 5-2% of the population. So, the risk ratio (defined as the rate of infections vs. Number in population) is about 46. 3:1-34. 75:1.
Going a bit further:
Black heterosexuals (male and female combined) are 19. 5. Risk ratio of blacks: 1. 5:1 Assume 13% of population.
All heterosexuals (black, white, hispanic) : 25. 6%
Risk ratio: 0. 26:1. Assume 97% of population.
I'll ignore the information for drug users. It's too small to worry about.
So, the risk ratio for all heterosexuals vs all homosexuals is: 178:1 all the way down to 134:1 (calculated by taking the ratio of the relative risk).
No one will engage me on this point, but I would argue that this would be a way to estimate the relative likelihood of HIV contraction for a single act of unprotected heterosexual sex vs homosexual sex. It may well be over 100 times more likely (and just under 200 times more likely) that you can be infected with HIV from gay sex as from straight sex through a person who is HIV positive.
So, your best choice for a partner would be:
White heterosexuals nonwhite heterosexuals white gays all gays black gaysDon't let gays stick there prong in your butt and you will never have to worry about. Of course wash yourself, take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and make sure you are clipped.
No documented case through oral sex and questionable through straight sex for a male. If you have HIV and you're a male. You are bisexual, gay, drug user. ThanksNo thanks! Ask the straight males in Africa how they got HIV. Jeez, are people that ignorant about the disease?
Clandestine782
02-11-13, 11:50
These analyses have been more sophisticated up until the inserts of this TROLL.
JayaPapaya
02-14-13, 14:56
A friend of mine works for UN Aids and she told me the chances of catching HIV through unprotected sex is 1:10'000 intercourses. However, the only flaw with this statistic is that you don't know whether you will be the first, or only the 10'000th out of these statistical 10'000 times you have unprotected sex with someone carrying the virus. The number is smaller in women (as the ejaculate inside her naturally creates a larger risk of infection) , at 1:8'000. The best way to catch the virus is through unprotected anal sex, especially for the receiver.
Seems that if you keep basic guide lines of wearing condoms, wash yourself before and after, and chose your partners well, that even with having multiple partners you can keep the risk very low.
One thing I always do (not very scientific) is to look at the girl's skin, gum (say when she smiles) , eyes, and lips. Plus, by time you go down-under, to make sure there are no spots, excrements, etc. Other than HIV, there are other diseases, which can be a problem. HIV is harder to catch than most other STDs.
Clandestine782
03-09-13, 16:42
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/06/AR2007090602760.html
Member #4349
06-13-13, 18:15
Its increasingly clear that Truvada or tenofovir is highly effective against becoming HIV infected (although not totally effective)
http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/injection-drug-users-should-take-daily-aids-pill-u-s-officials-1.1322925
It seems that this drug is made available at reduced prices in developing countries.
Is it possible to take the drug for periods of high risk, then when I'm not mongering stop taking it without adverse consequences?
I'm not HIV pos or a druggie (thank god.) but I want the PrEP before I go mongering on the dark continent.
Should mongers take a course of Truvada before indulging in our high-risk behaviour?
For a couple of hundred dollars could we take the drug for several weeks and have increased (but not total) resistance to the HIV virus?
Granted we would have to watch for all the other sti's, and its not an entirely effective method. I travel sub saharan Africa quite a lot, Kenya etc, I meet plrenty women, pro's amateurs etc, I'd love not to have to be a total condom nazi in these circumstances, but I'm not keen on any "condition" for the rest of my life either.
And how long would I have to carry on taking the drug after arriving back home, and moderating high risk behaviour?
Could I do this for several years running before and after my annual shag-fest holiday?
I know I could combine it with testing my girls with the instant-hiv test kits to make doubly sure. Thing is I wouldn't like to tell anyone they're infected, and it would sure spoil the atmospher
Rocky Singh
08-27-13, 10:27
Guys,
Recently I had sex with an Indian girl in a MP but after the ejaculation when I pulled out the condom was broken. After few days I went to Tashkent for mongering. Had loads of sex but all with Condom but BBBJ, DFK, DATY was there. In Tashkent instead of my usual 8-9 hrs sleep I was just doing it for 4 hrs (should tire me without me realizing maybe?). Had loads of local Vodka also.
After coming to India (9th day from 1st sex in Indian MP) I got fever and difficulty swallowing. No other symptoms though. I took 2 meds and both of these symptoms go away. This is my 3rd day here and I am still feeling sleepy. Was the fever because of AIDS? I am shit scared now. Please tell me something more, only hope I have in my mind is that AIDS symptoms shouldn't come so soon and secondly I think if these were indeed AIDS symptoms then they shouldn't go away in just 2 tablets but what about my sleepiness?
Aaragon1977
09-01-13, 16:05
Guys,
Recently I had sex with an Indian girl in a MP but after the ejaculation when I pulled out the condom was broken. After few days I went to Tashkent for mongering. Had loads of sex but all with Condom but BBBJ, DFK, DATY was there. In Tashkent instead of my usual 8-9 hrs sleep I was just doing it for 4 hrs (should tire me without me realizing maybe?). Had loads of local Vodka also.
After coming to India (9th day from 1st sex in Indian MP) I got fever and difficulty swallowing. No other symptoms though. I took 2 meds and both of these symptoms go away. This is my 3rd day here and I am still feeling sleepy. Was the fever because of AIDS? I am shit scared now. Please tell me something more, only hope I have in my mind is that AIDS symptoms shouldn't come so soon and secondly I think if these were indeed AIDS symptoms then they shouldn't go away in just 2 tablets but what about my sleepiness?As long as you used condom's for intercourse and the condom did not break you are not at risk for HIV. I am not a doctor but have gone through the same panic. Read the posts in medhelp.
Guys,
Recently I had sex with an Indian girl in a MP but after the ejaculation when I pulled out the condom was broken. After few days I went to Tashkent for mongering. Had loads of sex but all with Condom but BBBJ, DFK, DATY was there. In Tashkent instead of my usual 8-9 hrs sleep I was just doing it for 4 hrs (should tire me without me realizing maybe?). Had loads of local Vodka also.
After coming to India (9th day from 1st sex in Indian MP) I got fever and difficulty swallowing. No other symptoms though. I took 2 meds and both of these symptoms go away. This is my 3rd day here and I am still feeling sleepy. Was the fever because of AIDS? I am shit scared now. Please tell me something more, only hope I have in my mind is that AIDS symptoms shouldn't come so soon and secondly I think if these were indeed AIDS symptoms then they shouldn't go away in just 2 tablets but what about my sleepiness?If your dick was in a healthy condition, that means if the skin was without wounds etc, the chance of getting AIDS was practically nil (zero)
Pagal Chacha
09-01-13, 22:08
Guys,
Recently I had sex with an Indian girl in a MP but after the ejaculation when I pulled out the condom was broken. After few days I went to Tashkent for mongering. Had loads of sex but all with Condom but BBBJ, DFK, DATY was there. In Tashkent instead of my usual 8-9 hrs sleep I was just doing it for 4 hrs (should tire me without me realizing maybe?). Had loads of local Vodka also.
After coming to India (9th day from 1st sex in Indian MP) I got fever and difficulty swallowing. No other symptoms though. I took 2 meds and both of these symptoms go away. This is my 3rd day here and I am still feeling sleepy. Was the fever because of AIDS? I am shit scared now. Please tell me something more, only hope I have in my mind is that AIDS symptoms shouldn't come so soon and secondly I think if these were indeed AIDS symptoms then they shouldn't go away in just 2 tablets but what about my sleepiness?Usually on primary infection with HIV you get flu like symptoms with red rashes without rashesh it could be just flu, you have to give three months window period before HIv infection can be elimanted but to reassure yourself get tested every 3 weeks for period of 3 moths, I can empathise with you, you at least used a condom I barebacked a Kenyan non pro while I was partially drunk and than I was scared shit for 3 months
Member #4244
09-01-13, 23:31
Guys,
Recently I had sex with an Indian girl in a MP but after the ejaculation when I pulled out the condom was broken. After few days I went to Tashkent for mongering. Had loads of sex but all with Condom but BBBJ, DFK, DATY was there. In Tashkent instead of my usual 8-9 hrs sleep I was just doing it for 4 hrs (should tire me without me realizing maybe?). Had loads of local Vodka also.
After coming to India (9th day from 1st sex in Indian MP) I got fever and difficulty swallowing. No other symptoms though. I took 2 meds and both of these symptoms go away. This is my 3rd day here and I am still feeling sleepy. Was the fever because of AIDS? I am shit scared now. Please tell me something more, only hope I have in my mind is that AIDS symptoms shouldn't come so soon and secondly I think if these were indeed AIDS symptoms then they shouldn't go away in just 2 tablets but what about my sleepiness?The chances are incredibly slim. Get tested, but more importantly get medical attention for your other symptoms. Take it easy and recuperate. Chances are you just have some common virus that your foreign immune system is not accustomed to. It's not usual to get strong or lingering symptoms while traveling. I really do think think you have AIDS, but go see a doctor and take care of yourself just the same.
Rocky Singh
09-03-13, 17:44
Hi guys,
First of all I am feeling absolutely normal and healthy right now. No symptoms at all. And I am quite sure that I don't have HIV but I will get tested in the next 2 weeks as I cannot right now due to some very serious constraints.
When I was in Tashkent I told a fellow that my condom broke with a girl (upscale MP in India) and I am little tensed and he replied if there has been no fever then its OK. But as soon as I came back from Tashkent (Day 09 from 1st MP sex) I got fever and got panicked. Coupled with that was difficulty swallowing. And when antibiotics were taken with it I got weakness but it wasn't a normal weakness as I felt like a fainting feeling all the time. Sore throat, fever were gone the next day but fainting feeling persisted. Then after 3 days at home (13th day) I came to work and got sore throat again. I was prescribed antibiotics again. After sleeping 3 more days continuously I still had that fainting feeling. On a particular night I had Diarrhea (15th Night) also which scared the shit out of me.
Now I go back to this doctor and told him that every time I eat I have to go to the toilet though there is no Diarrhea anymore (Happening from the first dose of antibiotic on day 09 ). He said have some curd and after taking that curd (apparently Lactobacillus bacteria) within 3 hours I had regained my strength, no fainting feeling, no more sleepiness etc. So the total ordeal was over now on day 16. The point is that I got too panicked and resorted to too many Antibiotics whereas I just needed some curd to restore my intestinal flora. Fever was just due to too much vodka and exhaustion as I was hardly sleeping in Tashkent. I don't know how many promises I have made to god during this period which I intend to keep though.
After going through a lot of research I came to know that you can't have the symptoms just after 1 week. Not even a single case was documented which presented symptoms so fast. It was a big relief for me I would say. Secondly sore throat was actually strep which is by bacteria but in HIV its through Virus. Thirdly I thought that the MP where I had sex was little expensive so the girls must take better care of themselves and even the customers would be very educated and all but then it was just my imagination to convince myself against HIV, because in reality you never know what the customers are into. What literature said was that after getting the symptoms they persists for weeks and don't go away that easy like in my case where fever went within a day. Anyways it was very very scary for me and I the worst part is you can't really share it with anyone. For now I am putting a stop to mongering for good.
Aaragon1977
09-08-13, 06:14
Hi guys,
First of all I am feeling absolutely normal and healthy right now. No symptoms at all. And I am quite sure that I don't have HIV but I will get tested in the next 2 weeks as I cannot right now due to some very serious constraints.
When I was in Tashkent I told a fellow that my condom broke with a girl (upscale MP in India) and I am little tensed and he replied if there has been no fever then its OK. But as soon as I came back from Tashkent (Day 09 from 1st MP sex) I got fever and got panicked. Coupled with that was difficulty swallowing. And when antibiotics were taken with it I got weakness but it wasn't a normal weakness as I felt like a fainting feeling all the time. Sore throat, fever were gone the next day but fainting feeling persisted. Then after 3 days at home (13th day) I came to work and got sore throat again. I was prescribed antibiotics again. After sleeping 3 more days continuously I still had that fainting feeling. On a particular night I had Diarrhea (15th Night) also which scared the shit out of me...A lot of us have gone through the same experience. The 4th Generation Elissa tests for both antibodies and antigens and is very accurate 2 weeks post exposure, the test is not FDA approved in US but has been in use India and other European countries since 2007. Just go to any lab and ask them to test you for HIV, you probably should have the results in a couple of hours. If you are one of the unlucky guys who tested false positive make sure you get a western blot done. Both these tests are very inexpensive in india.
Again, go to medhelp. Org. The site survives because of all the people who pay 25 dollars to ask a question to the doctor.
Rocky Singh
09-16-13, 17:40
After 30 days, I went for HIV testing and the result came after one hour which was negative. The test done was Immunochromatography. Now can any experienced member tell me whether I need any further testing? For the first time in my life I actually saw how stress could create symptoms in you. Going to behave myself for as long as possible and avoid ay such incidences in future.
BigJohn1196
09-16-13, 19:02
After 30 days, I went for HIV testing and the result came after one hour which was negative. The test done was Immunochromatography. Now can any experienced member tell me whether I need any further testing? For the first time in my life I actually saw how stress could create symptoms in you. Going to behave myself for as long as possible and avoid ay such incidences in future.As background: I manufactured HIV tests for quite a few years and have sold millions around the world. Both immuno-chromatographic and Elisa. Both tests have similar specificity and sensitivity but of course when looking for antibodies to HIV it is important that the test has all the right antigens either on the strip or in the ELISA well. A false negative is exceptionally rare if the right mixture of antigens is used. HIV null is about the only antigen that is sometimes missed out but this type of HIV is also rare.
The most common cause of not getting a positive during the first 30 days is that the antibodies are not present in the blood in sufficient concentration to be detected. This is nota false negative. However, this is also not that common as the antibody response is quite quick in most people. As far as I am aware no-one has become antibody positive after 60 days. To put your mind totally at rest I suggest another test at 60 days.
The chances of getting infected on a single occurrence where the condom breaks when only vaginal sex is used are so small but of course it can happen.
Just a point re antigen and antibody measurement. The antigen test is the specific test and basically has replaced western blot that looks for specific antibodies. It is positive much earlier than the antibody tests but it does cost more.
After 30 days, I went for HIV testing and the result came after one hour which was negative. The test done was Immunochromatography. Now can any experienced member tell me whether I need any further testing? For the first time in my life I actually saw how stress could create symptoms in you. Going to behave myself for as long as possible and avoid ay such incidences in future.Sorry to tell you this but the accuracy of that type of test is no better than 50:50
Pagal Chacha
09-16-13, 19:47
After 30 days, I went for HIV testing and the result came after one hour which was negative. The test done was Immunochromatography. Now can any experienced member tell me whether I need any further testing? For the first time in my life I actually saw how stress could create symptoms in you. Going to behave myself for as long as possible and avoid ay such incidences in future.You are in clear if your test is negative after 90 days your first test indicates that most likey all follow up tests will be negative most reliable test is HIV ELISA good luck don't worry you will be ok
Member #4244
09-16-13, 20:32
Sorry to tell you this but the accuracy of that type of test is no better than 50:50Right, a more reliable test would take more time to process. I have seen the "on the spot ones" at street festivals and stuff, I would not trust them.
I went the other day to get tested, mainly to show my new girlfriend that we can ditch the condoms. I tried to get them to take my sample at 8 and have my results by noon. No dice. They told me the process takes about 8 hours. I did get the results the following day (negative, hooray!).
Rocky Singh
09-16-13, 20:43
Right, a more reliable test would take more time to process. I have seen the "on the spot ones" at street festivals and stuff, I would not trust them.
I went the other day to get tested, mainly to show my new girlfriend that we can ditch the condoms. I tried to get them to take my sample at 8 and have my results by noon. No dice. They told me the process takes about 8 hours. I did get the results the following day (negative, hooray!).I plan to go for one more test tomorrow, possibly RNA one but from what I have read is that if you are not in windows phase then the immunochromatography test is above 99% accurate, though I maybe wrong here. And if any one of the symptoms that I had were because of HIV then it obviously meant that I am not in windows phase and body is starting to fight the infection leading to fatigue etc and then test would have caught it. So one thing which is very conclusive for me is that the symptoms were not because of HIV for sure.
I will head out for one more test and hoping for the best.
And yes there were no cuts or anything on my penis which makes me feel a little better. Secondly I have also come to know that ejaculation or no ejaculation the chances are same and thirdly that even a broken condom gives you some kind of protection.
BigJohn1196
09-16-13, 22:06
Sorry to tell you this but the accuracy of that type of test is no better than 50:50Where do you get this nonsense from? Most of the smaller labs use such tests and it really does not matter whether they use them or a punter uses them. The results are reliable. The reagents used in the Elisa tests are basically the same. Antigen, labelled antigen for the immuno-chromatographic tests and the addition of an enzyme substrate for the Elisa. Stop spreading stupid statements.
If you consider that even after 3 months x% of people will have a full blood test and test completely negative for HIV, then after 6 months find out that in fact they had it all along.
If someone told you go out to the shops because the chances of you being shot dead by a sniper is only 7 times out of 100 times that you go there, would you still go out there?
Individual reaction to the HIV virus varies widely. Some people are very sick when they get infected whilst others never have a single symptom.
The good news: It is theoretically possible to test for HIV after 1 month. The bad news: you need to be among the freakishly small x % of individuals who show a reaction after such a small period of time.
A negative test after 1 month just means no news.
Pagal Chacha
09-17-13, 09:54
If you consider that even after 3 months x% of people will have a full blood test and test completely negative for HIV, then after 6 months find out that in fact they had it all along.
If someone told you go out to the shops because the chances of you being shot dead by a sniper is only 7 times out of 100 times that you go there, would you still go out there?
Individual reaction to the HIV virus varies widely. Some people are very sick when they get infected whilst others never have a single symptom.
The good news: It is theoretically possible to test for HIV after 1 month. The bad news: you need to be among the freakishly small x % of individuals who show a reaction after such a small period of time.
A negative test after 1 month just means no news.All expert opinions, there is biological varaitions between individuals standard bench mark for sera conversion is three months and 3rd generation HIV Elisa is 99% specific with high positive and negative predictive values
Rocky Singh
09-18-13, 06:58
Yesterday went for HIV testing again and asked for PCR-RNA. RNA was 7 Times costlier than previous test and when I was giving her the money she said that result will come in a week as it was quantitative test. Immediately backed out went to a second place. They did HIV antibody 1 and 2 test which they said was ELISA but I don't know whether its true. Immunochromatography test had written in the bottom that if positive then confirm with ELISA or Western blot and this 1 & 2 had written if positive confirm with RNA or Western Blot and no mention of ELISA.
Both tests had the same thing that if negative then either negative or you are in Windows period. Test 1 on 31st day and the second one on 33rd day.
Oliver Kitsoff
09-28-13, 19:09
If your dick was in a healthy condition, that means if the skin was without wounds etc, the chance of getting AIDS was practically nil (zero)Absolutely! Look at the statistics, worldwide people who die from HIV is tiny compared to all the things millions of us do everyday. Smoking, fatty foods, Alcohol, Car crash, whatever.
I have been for HIV tests many times, I always worry 'what if? ' I always 'promise' myself no more unsafe sex, I always test negative. I do not know a single heterosexual non drug injecting male who has HIV or died from it, and you don't necessarily die from AIDS nowadays anyway, meds can virtually eliminate any trace of the virus (it is still present) and treatment is expensive and currently, for life).
You're going to be fine! And you're going to fuck working girls again, I guarantee it! . Stop worrying, if your first test is negative, forget it and get on with life. No need to go for others unless seroconversion symptoms appear. The '3 month window' is now largely a thing of the past. I suggest you Google the latest info on HIV, gay health sites are usually the best for the most up to date info.
HotStud251
10-17-13, 05:07
Don't worry that was just sore throat infection accompainied by fever due to throat infection.
Enjoy life stop thinking too much.
Cheers
Hi guys,
First of all I am feeling absolutely normal and healthy right now. No symptoms at all. And I am quite sure that I don't have HIV but I will get tested in the next 2 weeks as I cannot right now due to some very serious constraints.
When I was in Tashkent I told a fellow that my condom broke with a girl (upscale MP in India) and I am little tensed and he replied if there has been no fever then its OK. But as soon as I came back from Tashkent (Day 09 from 1st MP sex) I got fever and got panicked. Coupled with that was difficulty swallowing. And when antibiotics were taken with it I got weakness but it wasn't a normal weakness as I felt like a fainting feeling all the time. Sore throat, fever were gone the next day but fainting feeling persisted. Then after 3 days at home (13th day) I came to work and got sore throat again. I was prescribed antibiotics again. After sleeping 3 more days continuously I still had that fainting feeling. On a particular night I had Diarrhea (15th Night) also which scared the shit out of me..===========================================
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Rocky Singh
11-22-13, 21:10
Test at end of 40 days. Negative.
Test at the end of 95 days. Negative.
I think I am quite convinced that I am ok. Thank you all here for their support. Now I lot more than what I did before and I plan to be much more careful in future.
Big Ass Eater
11-03-14, 15:03
I've never met anyone with HIV or AIDS.
There are theories that the entire AIDS-thing is merely a hoax for Big Pharma to benefit. I don't want to seem insensitive and would appreciate your take on this issue.
Mtraveller
12-07-14, 00:47
I've never met anyone with HIV or AIDS.
There are theories that the entire AIDS-thing is merely a hoax for Big Pharma to benefit. I don't want to seem insensitive and would appreciate your take on this issue.As HIV carries a hige stigma, infected people hardly ever talk about it. As better medication became available HIV became more of a chronic disease like diabetes in the western world. If you want to meet people actually sick with HIV, travel to South Africa.
There are more them enough urban legends and unproven therapies in modern medicine. Its trial and error at the end. But this is also how progress is made.
Start with cholesterol medication. Most NEW cancer therapies are useless, <10% turn out to be effective (better then existing) after 5 years.
Read scientific publications if you want to get closer to a balanced oponion, but be assured HIV kills people. And it was quite dangerous until 10 years ago.
Member #4349
12-07-14, 01:07
I've never met anyone with HIV or AIDS.
There are theories that the entire AIDS-thing is merely a hoax for Big Pharma to benefit. I don't want to seem insensitive and would appreciate your take on this issue.There are theories on everything, most of which are total crap including the one you are talking about.
Florida Sun
12-07-14, 14:15
There are theories that the entire AIDS-thing is merely a hoax for Big Pharma to benefit.It is real as many people have met individuals who are HIV positive and seen those who died with AIDS. The prevention and treatment has come along way. Really we do not need people who think that it is not and spread it to unsuspecting loved ones, who are not aware of their partner extra curricular activity. It is not a joke and should never be taken lightly. If you want to play Russian roulette just don't put others at risk.
Stay safe.
Wolvenvacht
12-07-14, 20:47
I've never met anyone with HIV or AIDS.
There are theories that the entire AIDS-thing is merely a hoax for Big Pharma to benefit. I don't want to seem insensitive and would appreciate your take on this issue.Sure, and NASA never went to the moon (and the Apollo astronauts found a human skeleton and footprints on the moon), the Queen of England is a lizard, the Holocaust never happened, Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia did not die in 1975, the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group control the world, JFK was murdered by multiple gunmen, Barack Obama is a muslim and born in Africa, the world will end in 2012 (oops, that one went wrong), Jezus was married and had children, the knowledge of free and unlimited quantum vacuum zero point energy for everyone is being suppressed by the energy cartels, the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami was intentionally caused by a nuclear weapon, chemtrails are used to make people docile, water fluoridation is a communist (or fascist or New World Order or Bank for International Settlements) plot, vaccines cause autism, there is no global warming, and when you walk outside you have to wear a tinfoil skullcap to protect yourself from the Orbital Mind Control Lasers.
Obviously you haven't been wearing your skullcap recently.
Big Ass Eater
12-13-14, 12:48
Thanks to Mtraveller, Biffa and Florida Sun for their civilized replies. No thanks to Wolvenvacht for his worthless rant. He thinks he's smart but basically what he's saying is that you don't need to use your brain but simply accept everything that authorities tell you.
Hessen Bub
12-13-14, 13:01
I've never met anyone with HIV or AIDS.Ever met anyone with ebola? Also a big hoax?
HB.
Big Ass Eater
12-13-14, 13:17
Ever met anyone with ebola? Also a big hoax?
HB.But apparently you have!! (Is Wolfenvacht your friend perhaps?)
Hessen Bub
12-13-14, 15:41
I'd suggest not to feed the big assed troll.
HB.
Big Ass Eater
12-13-14, 17:07
I'd suggest not to feed the big assed troll.
HB.Maybe you should learn proper English. Where does it say that I believe it to be a hoax? I wrote "There are theories".
Yesterday I had sex with therapist in spa with durex condom. She rode me in wot and deed finished in this position. As you know juices from pussy will flow down to bottom of penis in this position. Is there any risk of caught hiv infection.
Bro somehow I am little worried. Though it is mentioned evrywhere ithat t is safe. But need expert advice shalp I go for test or not. My penis has no wounds or open sore.
I can my indian friends active on this thread. I have also sent pm to may. Sorry friends I was little worried so went into panic mode.
Thanks.
Monti.
Yesterday I had sex with therapist in spa with durex condom. She rode me in wot and deed finished in this position. As you know juices from pussy will flow down to bottom of penis in this position. Is there any risk of caught hiv infection.
Bro somehow I am little worried. Though it is mentioned evrywhere ithat t is safe. But need expert advice shalp I go for test or not. My penis has no wounds or open sore.
I can my indian friends active on this thread. I have also sent pm to may. Sorry friends I was little worried so went into panic mode.
Thanks.
Monti.HIV cannot penetrate through unbroken skin. Bottom of the penis is the same skin as the rest of your body. Do not worry.
Yesterday I had sex with therapist in spa with durex condom. She rode me in wot and deed finished in this position. As you know juices from pussy will flow down to bottom of penis in this position. Is there any risk of caught hiv infection.
Bro somehow I am little worried. Though it is mentioned evrywhere ithat t is safe. But need expert advice shalp I go for test or not. My penis has no wounds or open sore.
I can my indian friends active on this thread. I have also sent pm to may. Sorry friends I was little worried so went into panic mode.
Thanks.
Monti.You are safe. If the condom did not break, there was no exchange of fluid. Don't worry yourself.
I've never met anyone with HIV or AIDS.
There are theories that the entire AIDS-thing is merely a hoax for Big Pharma to benefit. I don't want to seem insensitive and would appreciate your take on this issue."There are theories that" Big Ass Eater is a communist mutant from outer space ("CMFOS"). I don't want to seem insensitive and would appreciate your take on this issue given that while I don't know for a fact it is true, I also don't know for a fact it is untrue.
Incidentally, in CMFOS societies those who contract HIV also simultaneously contract a big forehead tattoo that reads "I contracted HIV. " This makes it possible to know what otherwise would be impossible to know, namely whether one has ever met another CMFOS with HIV.
Hope this helps clarify things.
Big Ass Eater
12-28-14, 19:06
"There are theories that" Big Ass Eater is a communist mutant from outer space ("CMFOS"). I don't want to seem insensitive and would appreciate your take on this issue given that while I don't know for a fact it is true, I also don't know for a fact it is untrue.
Incidentally, in CMFOS societies those who contract HIV also simultaneously contract a big forehead tattoo that reads "I contracted HIV. " This makes it possible to know what otherwise would be impossible to know, namely whether one has ever met another CMFOS with HIV.
Hope this helps clarify things.I'd like to know where LA Guy learned about the theories that Big Ass Eater is a communist-something-something from Texas / Sahara or wherever it was. Interesting to see how some people go haywire over nothing. Considering how people are convinced of the existence of HIV one might think everybody knew someone who has perished in the disease.
Robert Paulson
06-29-15, 20:13
Risk is nearly zero for heterosexual men as argued in this blog.
https://archive.is/NOBYl
Perhaps this may partly explain those who often engage in condom-less sex?
Any thoughts?
Risk is nearly zero for heterosexual men as argued in this blog.
https://archive.is/NOBYl
Perhaps this may partly explain those who often engage in condom-less sex?
Any thoughts?Engaging in condom-less sex with another person whom you don't know their HIV serological status is irresponsible and puts anyone at risk of contracting HIV.
Is the probability of contracting HIV through "normal" heterosexual sex low or not is another question.
Check medhelp. Org expert forum archives about the subject and you will get answers to your question.
http://www.medhelp.org********HIV---Prevention/show/117
Also check:
http://forums.poz.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=hc4mktc0950is6psln767l4m90&board=1.0
And:
http://helpline.aidsvancouver.org/
From a legal perspective, I found the following article in which Canadian doctors explain to judges the probabilities of HIV transmission through various sexual acts and how they think this should influence the judgement for cases where people might be taken to court for not disclosing their HIV status to their partners.
http://www.cfenet.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/uploads/news/releases/Statement%20(May%202-14). Pdf.
After reading those, forge yourself your own opinion about the question.
"Nearly zero" is not "absolute zero" so always use a condom for vaginal and anal sex and you will be engaging in safe sex.
P.S.: I am not a doctor or medical special but I spent the last years reading HIV prevention forum and when I see a question like yours I have a moral responsibility to respond.
Member #4351
07-21-15, 15:39
when I see a question like yours I have a moral responsibility to respond.I would also suggest that you have a moral responsibility to pay your $19.95 and support the forum.
Robert Paulson
07-22-15, 04:31
Engaging in condom-less sex with another person whom you don't know their HIV serological status is irresponsible and puts anyone at risk of contracting HIV.
Is the probability of contracting HIV through "normal" heterosexual sex low or not is another question.
Check medhelp. Org expert forum archives about the subject and you will get answers to your question.
http://www.medhelp.org********HIV---Prevention/show/117
Also check:
http://forums.poz.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=hc4mktc0950is6psln767l4m90&board=1.0
And:.No, but really, is this not a risk? The medhelp doctors are essentially saying the same thing, ie, there is virtually no risk for female to male transmission.
Once again, we see tons of dudes posting pics of themselves consistently going raw dog. Either they're already positive or they're seriously proving the aids orthodoxy wrong.
The risk of getting hit and injured by a meteorite while sitting in your house is not absolute zero. It has indeed happened and could happen again any moment.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/meteorite-strikes-alabama-woman
Always wear a helmet and full body armor while sitting in your living and you will be engaging in safe television viewing.
Risk is nearly zero for heterosexual men as argued in this blog.
https://archive.is/NOBYl
Perhaps this may partly explain those who often engage in condom-less sex?
Any thoughts?The risk isn't zero for heterosexual men. It is just lower for heterosexual men than it is for gay men or for women.
No, but really, is this not a risk? The medhelp doctors are essentially saying the same thing, ie, there is virtually no risk for female to male transmission.
Once again, we see tons of dudes posting pics of themselves consistently going raw dog. Either they're already positive or they're seriously proving the aids orthodoxy wrong.Not every woman has HIV. You can't catch a disease from someone who doesn't have it in the first place. Once again the risk of female-to-male transmission isn't zero, it is just lower than the risk of transmission via receptive gay male anal intercourse.
Robert Paulson
07-28-15, 03:30
The risk of getting hit and injured by a meteorite while sitting in your house is not absolute zero. It has indeed happened and could happen again any moment.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/meteorite-strikes-alabama-woman
Always wear a helmet and full body armor while sitting in your living and you will be engaging in safe television viewing.Yes, fair enough. And thanks for sharing your thoughts. Most of us have been conditioned to believe otherwise. The mantra in the HIV / aids era has always been; unsafe sex could very likely lead to HIV / aids eventually. Reading between the lines it seems this is nothing more than propaganda at best.
It's just odd to me that the contrarian view point never seems to be openly discussed. I thought some of these trailblazers that we see on this site might have been so inclined to enlighten the masses.
Hi,
I have had an incident recently where condom broke during vaginal sex with a sex worker. Although the girl said she has been working for only 2-3 weeks and before that didn't work in her native country, I went for the conservative approach and saw the doc within 24 hrs. I am on PEP now and taking pills regularly.
Just needed advise on following:
A) Anything I should avoid eating or drinking while on PEP?
B) When should I get tested and how often after PEP?
C) Is there a risk PEP does not work? What is the probability?
D) Does PEP only prevent HIV or other STD's?
Thanks.
Vik.
Chocha Monger
11-17-15, 22:09
Notorious American monger, Charlie Sheen, admits to be being HIV-positive and being extorted for $10 million by prostitutes to keep it secret. Sheen said that he expects lawsuits from women he rooted after becoming HIV-positive. He admitted to bareback sex with at least two people. He also hinted that he is now financially broken. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2015/11/17/charlie-sheen-i-am-in-fact-hiv-positive/.
Charlie Sheen informs that he's HIV positive: http://www.today.com/health/charlie-sheen-reveals-hes-hiv-positive-today-show-exclusive-t56391.
Wolvenvacht
11-18-15, 08:30
Charlie Sheen informs that he's HIV positive: http://www.today.com/health/charlie-sheen-reveals-hes-hiv-positive-today-show-exclusive-t56391.
Now we all know someone with HIV and those silly "HIV / AIDS does not exist" ignorers can shut up for ever (I hope).
Wolvenvacht
11-18-15, 08:32
Once again, we see tons of dudes posting pics of themselves consistently going raw dog. Either they're already positive or they're seriously proving the aids orthodoxy wrong.It is called "anecdotal evidence" and it proves nothing, one way or another.
Charlie Sheen informs that he's HIV positive: http://www.today.com/health/charlie-sheen-reveals-hes-hiv-positive-today-show-exclusive-t56391.Well, according to other articles online, Charlie was banging transsexuals, as well as having male porn stars over to his place to "hang out".
I have no idea how he contracted HIV, but I wonder if we'll ever find out who gave it to him.
I'd say it was one of the tranny hookers. Porn stars have caught it doing it with them in Brazil. It is almost impossible to catch it on a one off with a woman.
Well, according to other articles online, Charlie was banging transsexuals, as well as having male porn stars over to his place to "hang out".
I have no idea how he contracted HIV, but I wonder if we'll ever find out who gave it to him.
PeachFuzzy
11-30-15, 10:57
Hi all,
Benevolent people here, I've few queries which I hope to get answers to. I've always been a Spa man, never persuaded them for intercourse as I'm satisfied with outer course. One thing I always get apprehensive about is uncovered BJ. Some therapists did try to give it to me but I flatly refused because of risks of HIV and other STD.
Lately I've been tempted to try it for the first time from random therapist. Do you think it would be safe? Or how safe it is? If I've to go forward with it, what are the chances of straying away from the possible diseases?
Hope you can cure my anxiety so that I can be sure of it.
Thank you.
Member #4351
11-30-15, 15:58
Hope you can cure my anxiety so that I can be sure of it.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/risk.html
Paladin1987
11-30-15, 18:01
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation reduced HIV population in India by educating how AIDS is transmitted anally and passing out free condoms to truck drivers in depots and hubs. The truck drivers are a high risk population due to being away from home and being very mobile (here today, gone tomorrow). The History Channel had a pretty good documentary on it and the white papers are available on the internet.
66% decrease in a high risk population is substantial. No one wants to get HIV / AIDS and many take precautions. Condoms are effective for HIV but not HPV or STD's on uncovered skin subject to body fluid contact.
IMHO, Mongers are a relatively educated / skilled bunch. He who lives the healthy way, lives to fuck another day. The Punters / novios in the Home country are an unknown.
Last, Charlie Harper was an idiot and asked for trouble by being reckless, far beyond careless. His finances, lifestyle, (and now first hand accounts from sexual partners) prove it.
Washing up before and after, using condoms for vaginal and anal sex, avoiding high risk populations (check the article), and being watchful of your sex workers (which most mongers are) should keep you out of high risk populations.
If you want to read the article (all 28 ppg) here it is. Gates Foundation Announces $100 Million HIV / AIDS Prevention Effort in India.
There's a lot more evidence of old hookers than ones that got sick. Pretty trustworthy evidence.
Thanks for doing your part to stay healthy and keep this at bay.
Happy mongering,
Paladin
Hi all,
Benevolent people here, I've few queries which I hope to get answers to. I've always been a Spa man, never persuaded them for intercourse as I'm satisfied with outer course. One thing I always get apprehensive about is uncovered BJ. Some therapists did try to give it to me but I flatly refused because of risks of HIV and other STD.
Lately I've been tempted to try it for the first time from random therapist. Do you think it would be safe? Or how safe it is? If I've to go forward with it, what are the chances of straying away from the possible diseases?
Hope you can cure my anxiety so that I can be sure of it.
Thank you.Do a google search regarding BBBJ and DATY and make your own judgement.
Yesterday I had sex with therapist in spa with durex condom. She rode me in wot and deed finished in this position. As you know juices from pussy will flow down to bottom of penis in this position. Is there any risk of caught hiv infection.
Bro somehow I am little worried. Though it is mentioned evrywhere ithat t is safe. But need expert advice shalp I go for test or not. My penis has no wounds or open sore.
I can my indian friends active on this thread. I have also sent pm to may. Sorry friends I was little worried so went into panic mode.
Thanks.
Monti.This is the reason really don't like wot much if the sp / wg clean then maybe but still kind of fill nasty in wot & DATY.
I've got this MILF who's been HIV positive for over a decade. When her lover learnt about her status they had been 4 years together and he turned out negative. They went on for a couple of more years, no condoms, and he stayed negative. Eventually they parted and she's on my radar (black, gorgeous tailend). She's a friend of a former sweatheart of mine so she's not a total stranger. I'm planning some special partying with this MILF which requires a partner you can trust 150%.
She reports her doctor means she's not contagious (low viral count). I'm in two minds about whether to go bareback with her (not just once but for some months). She herself warned about her status and prefers condoms.
When reading the reports on the Internet a low viral count in the HIV positive partner is even more efficient as condoms. I have no doubts this MILF complies with her treatment as she gets full refund from the State or her medical insurance and has two children. Then again even with condoms I would want to give her oral etc, which would take some of the preventive efficacy off condoms.
I must have barebacked quite a few (non treated) HIV positive women in my mongering career but not knowing and only having sex a few times with the same girl made it OK in my head in terms of risk.
I also have a stupid question: does the overload of antiviral chemicals change the smell of a woman? This could be an unexpected put off for me as my reason to want a relationship is so that I can have her all naturally sweaty and pissy (which I can't with sex workers). I live in FKK-land so I have access to plenty of clinical, clean sex.
I'd be wary of dismissing the risk of contacting HIV through vaginal sex
The mantra in the HIV / aids era has always been; unsafe sex could very likely lead to HIV / aids eventually. Reading between the lines it seems this is nothing more than propaganda at best. .
We know for example that in the UK in 2014 cf.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/477702/HIV_in_the_UK_2015_report.pdf
Some 1500 non-black heterosexual men in the UK caught HIV in that year.
I'd love to know more detail. I've searched extensively and not found much. My conclusion is that unprotected vaginal sex for men is too high a risk, and not worth taking. Indeed it is not worth it given the much higher risk of catching bacterial infections, which I've got in the past, and unprotected sex is not worth that trouble either.
Quagmire1974
08-23-16, 18:53
Fellow mongers,
Just wanted to pass along a great book about HIV / AIDS that I read recently: "The Chimp and the River," by David Quammen. It's 139 pages long, and although science, the author does a great job of revealing how HIV evolved for nearly a century and how it ultimately spread to the United States.
BhopalStation
03-21-17, 22:21
Friends I need your help.
I am not a seasoned monger and have been in action only 3-4 times. However, since my last expedition, I am living in a constant fear. I went to a black bird who is from South AFrica. I got BBBJ and then FS. She also licked my genitals and skin near groin area. Now my skin near groin area is very sensitive and if I stretch it hard, a cut is formed.
I don't remember correctly but maybe that cut was there when I took shower after the sex. I did FS on WOT position so if that cut was there, Vaginal fluid might have infected me. 2nd fear is of BBBJ and her tongue which she used to lick me. I am dying of fear from last 1 week.
Why am I fearful?
Because my stomach has been a bit upset from the last 5-6 days. It is not that I suffer from any frequent loose motions but I feel frequent urge of motions many a times. Now, I normally go 2 times a day (while the frequency was only one earlier) plus the motions are softer than before.
This thing started a week after the incident.
2 Other reasons might explain this effect. It started because of my changed lifestyle. Just after my mongering incident, I joined a gym and reduced my calorie intake by 1000 calorie. But I don't think that affects stomach. Even my gym buddies agree on this. Again, my stomach behaved mad after holi (an Indian festival) where I ate 2-3 heavy snacks for a day. But it has been a week since then. So even this is not a plausible explanation.
My mongering expedition was on 6-7th March and my stomach has been a bit upset from 14-15th. I don't have any other symptom or unusual problem except this stomach thing.
Kindly advice if these symptoms are of HIV. If yes, what to do next.
Thank you.
P.S.:-Tomorrow, I'll go and meet the bird and will ask if she has HIV infection. I am not sure she'll answer honestly as She works in a MP where she earns close to $400 daily. But still I would ask her.
Look it up on the Internet. None of these are common symptoms. You didn't get HIV from what you described. If you're that worried let me make two suggestions. One, find a place to take a 4th Gen HIV test otherwise known as a Combo or Duo. Do this after 28 days and you are good to go. Two, find a porn site and stop banging anyone because you don't have the mental acumen for what you are doing.
Friends I need your help.
I am not a seasoned monger and have been in action only 3-4 times. However, since my last expedition, I am living in a constant fear. I went to a black bird who is from South AFrica. I got BBBJ and then FS. She also licked my genitals and skin near groin area. Now my skin near groin area is very sensitive and if I stretch it hard, a cut is formed.
I don't remember correctly but maybe that cut was there when I took shower after the sex. I did FS on WOT position so if that cut was there, Vaginal fluid might have infected me. 2nd fear is of BBBJ and her tongue which she used to lick me. I am dying of fear from last 1 week.
Why am I fearful?.
I've got this MILF who's been HIV positive for over a decade. When her lover learnt about her status they had been 4 years together and he turned out negative. They went on for a couple of more years, no condoms, and he stayed negative. Eventually they parted and she's on my radar (black, gorgeous tailend). She's a friend of a former sweatheart of mine so she's not a total stranger. I'm planning some special partying with this MILF which requires a partner you can trust 150%.
She reports her doctor means she's not contagious (low viral count). I'm in two minds about whether to go bareback with her (not just once but for some months). She herself warned about her status and prefers condoms.
When reading the reports on the Internet a low viral count in the HIV positive partner is even more efficient as condoms. I have no doubts this MILF complies with her treatment as she gets full refund from the State or her medical insurance and has two children. Then again even with condoms I would want to give her oral etc, which would take some of the preventive efficacy off condoms.
I must have barebacked quite a few (non treated) HIV positive women in my mongering career but not knowing and only having sex a few times with the same girl made it OK in my head in terms of risk.
I also have a stupid question: does the overload of antiviral chemicals change the smell of a woman? This could be an unexpected put off for me as my reason to want a relationship is so that I can have her all naturally sweaty and pissy (which I can't with sex workers). I live in FKK-land so I have access to plenty of clinical, clean sex.So free and with risk or costly with no risk so you say.
2 comments. Can you guarantee your clinical sex is 100% safe? Never say never.
Does the cost factor outweigh the risk factor?
Personally I think you answered yourself in the last sentence.
This virus real and once and you are into mongering, you are huge risk. There is no cure though you can get treatment to manage symptoms. Take note that HIV drugs you drowsy the way it feels after taking a cough syrup. The only difference is that you will be doing this for the rest of your life. The problem with most Western guys is they think HIV is for blacks or gays. Once they get think this is the last thing, they will think of cancer or whatever. We are mongering please stay safe. Unprotected sex in all forms where oral, BJ, anal, vaginal gets you infected. Using a condom for vagina while having a bare BJ doesn't make you safe. HIV is real and people are travelling all over the world and you don't know who barebacked who and what disease they had.
This virus real and once and you are into mongering, you are huge risk. There is no cure though you can get treatment to manage symptoms. Take note that HIV drugs you drowsy the way it feels after taking a cough syrup. The only difference is that you will be doing this for the rest of your life. The problem with most Western guys is they think HIV is for blacks or gays. Once they get think this is the last thing, they will think of cancer or whatever. We are mongering please stay safe. Unprotected sex in all forms where oral, BJ, anal, vaginal gets you infected. Using a condom for vagina while having a bare BJ doesn't make you safe. HIV is real and people are travelling all over the world and you don't know who barebacked who and what disease they had.Stop eating junk food, drinking alcohol, taking medicine / drug, tanning, being inactive, going outside. Your actions in your life can lead you to a disease. There are many diseases that kill more people than aids.
Friends I need your help.
I am not a seasoned monger and have been in action only 3-4 times. However, since my last expedition, I am living in a constant fear. I went to a black bird who is from South AFrica. I got BBBJ and then FS. She also licked my genitals and skin near groin area. Now my skin near groin area is very sensitive and if I stretch it hard, a cut is formed.
I don't remember correctly but maybe that cut was there when I took shower after the sex. I did FS on WOT position so if that cut was there, Vaginal fluid might have infected me. 2nd fear is of BBBJ and her tongue which she used to lick me. I am dying of fear from last 1 week.
Why am I fearful?
Because my stomach has been a bit upset from the last 5-6 days. It is not that I suffer from any frequent loose motions but I feel frequent urge of motions many a times. Now, I normally go 2 times a day (while the frequency was only one earlier) plus the motions are softer than before.
This thing started a week after the incident..These symptoms are of many diseases, or just food infection. You just have some problems with your gastro. Just drink water and avoid junk food alcohol until you feel better. It is a good thing your stomach doesn't feel good, that means your body tells you stop eating junk food for a while because it needs to take a rest, also much acid food make your stomach upset. Also country and weather change can lead your stomach to be upset. Because food is different than in our home country. Our body is not used to the local food.
HaException
07-09-17, 18:26
Sure, and NASA never went to the moon (and the Apollo astronauts found a human skeleton and footprints on the moon), the Queen of England is a lizard, the Holocaust never happened, Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia did not die in 1975, the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group control the world, JFK was murdered by multiple gunmen, Barack Obama is a muslim and born in Africa, the world will end in 2012 (oops, that one went wrong), Jezus was married and had children, the knowledge of free and unlimited quantum vacuum zero point energy for everyone is being suppressed by the energy cartels, the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami was intentionally caused by a nuclear weapon, chemtrails are used to make people docile, water fluoridation is a communist (or fascist or New World Order or Bank for International Settlements) plot, vaccines cause autism, there is no global warming, and when you walk outside you have to wear a tinfoil skullcap to protect yourself from the Orbital Mind Control Lasers.
Obviously you haven't been wearing your skullcap recently.HIV exist doesn't mean conspiracies are impossible.
Mtraveller
02-15-18, 16:38
There are no recorded incidents of HIV transmission through saliva! This is medical fact!
In the early days of HIV, when transmission was poorly understood, all theoretical tarnsmission mechanisms were explored. As HIV may occyssionally be present in saliva it was considered theoretically possible to transmit it that way and warnings were issued. 30 years later the medical prefession concludes that the risk is neglectable:
* Saliva to skin - ZERO.
* Saliva to lesion in skin - Theoretically possibly. But never observed.
* Saliva mixed with blood (lesion in mouth) to skin - ZERO.
* Saliva mixed with blood to lesion in skin - Rare cases may have been observed.
Hi all,
Benevolent people here, I've few queries which I hope to get answers to. I've always been a Spa man, never persuaded them for intercourse as I'm satisfied with outer course. One thing I always get apprehensive about is uncovered BJ. Some therapists did try to give it to me but I flatly refused because of risks of HIV and other STD.
Lately I've been tempted to try it for the first time from random therapist. Do you think it would be safe? Or how safe it is? If I've to go forward with it, what are the chances of straying away from the possible diseases?
Hope you can cure my anxiety so that I can be sure of it.
Thank you.
Max Havens
10-11-19, 08:19
Let it be known that Truvada will soon be on sale in Califirnia without a prescription. This is a real breakthrough! A sea change!
The governor of California made an announcement that Truvada is effective in protecting individuals from HIV transmission at a rate of more than 99% as long as it is taken daily.
It is amazing that the miracle drug called Truvada has been around for many years but the heterosexual community has largely been in the dark about the preventative nature of this medication. In contrast, the homosexual community has been well-informed and many of them have been fucking without condoms for years. I believe the authorities have done a good job in keeping straight people totally ignorant to Truvada as a real alternative to using condoms.
There are also a few well-informed prostitutes in Africa and Europe who have been taking Truvada regularly bcz their male customers refuse to fuck with a condom. It is my high hope, that prostitutes around the world will become better informed and throw off the chains of ignorance and begin using Truvada as an alternative to condoms. I think feminist organizations and the medical establishment keep pushing condoms bcz they are part of a vast conspiracy to try and cut down on the sex trade world-wide and one way of beginning that process, is to force men to use condoms when they are having sex with prostitutes.
Let it be known that Truvada will soon be on sale in Califirnia without a prescription. This is a real breakthrough! A sea change!
The governor of California made an announcement that Truvada is effective in protecting individuals from HIV transmission at a rate of more than 99% as long as it is taken daily.
It is amazing that the miracle drug called Truvada has been around for many years but the heterosexual community has largely been in the dark about the preventative nature of this medication. In contrast, the homosexual community has been well-informed and many of them have been fucking without condoms for years. I believe the authorities have done a good job in keeping straight people totally ignorant to Truvada as a real alternative to using condoms.
There are also a few well-informed prostitutes in Africa and Europe who have been taking Truvada regularly bcz their male customers refuse to fuck with a condom. It is my high hope, that prostitutes around the world will become better informed and throw off the chains of ignorance and begin using Truvada as an alternative to condoms. I think feminist organizations and the medical establishment keep pushing condoms bcz they are part of a vast conspiracy to try and cut down on the sex trade world-wide and one way of beginning that process, is to force men to use condoms when they are having sex with prostitutes.First time I've heard of this drug, looked it up on the web. HIV Drug 'Truvada' Costs $2,000 In US, Only $8 In Australia.
First time I've heard of this drug, looked it up on the web. HIV Drug 'Truvada' Costs $2,000 In US, Only $8 In Australia.A month supply of generic goes from ($9 Tavin them from Nairobi pharmacies to $25 $35 online).
Prep 1.0 (Emtricitabine 200 MG.
Tenofovir disoproxil 300 MG).
* Original USA Truvada. By Gilead ?
* Generic Dutch Ricovir them. By Mylan.
* Generic Indian Tenvir them. By Cipla.
* Generic Indian Tenof them. By Hetero.
* Generic Indian Tavin them. By Emcure.
* Generic S Africa Adco them. By Adcock.
* Generic Thai Teno them. By GPO.
Prep 2. 0 Descovy: (Emtricitabine 200 MG.
Tenofovir alafenamide 25 MG) New version, designed to reduce side effects by using the more efficient Tenofovir alafenamide instead of Tenofovir disoproxil.
* Original USA Descovy. By Gilead.
* Generic Dutch Taficita. By Mylan.
* Generic Indian Tafero them. By Hetero.
I'd be wary of dismissing the risk of contacting HIV through vaginal sex
.
We know for example that in the UK in 2014 cf.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/477702/HIV_in_the_UK_2015_report.pdf
Some 1500 non-black heterosexual men in the UK caught HIV in that year.
I'd love to know more detail. I've searched extensively and not found much. My conclusion is that unprotected vaginal sex for men is too high a risk, and not worth taking. Indeed it is not worth it given the much higher risk of catching bacterial infections, which I've got in the past, and unprotected sex is not worth that trouble either.Of the 1500 non-black heterosexual men, how many were junkies? How many secretly homosexual but didn't admit it? With anal you are far more likely to catch it because of the tearing and blood. The advent of generic truvada is a good thing too; now it can apparently be bought for less than $1 per pill. There are apparently sometimes side effects of reduced bone density and kidney problems. The former can be resolved by keeping generally healthy and lifting weights in the gym, which increases bone density, as well as plenty of calcium. For the latter, I guess the key is just not to take it indefinitely, only during periods of mongering.
This topic is a concern for many of us. When you're really into the moment, few drinks in you and enjoying a hot babe, you don't want to kill the vibe and dull the feeling with condoms, but then you spend the next few weeks worrying. IMHO if you choose healthy-looking girls (no lesions, rashes, needlemarks), stick to vaginal and take Prep (truvada) your chances of contracting HIV are negligible. That is to say about as likely as dying in a car crash: it could happen, but it's not something to waste time worrying about.
This virus real and once and you are into mongering, you are huge risk. There is no cure though you can get treatment to manage symptoms. Take note that HIV drugs you drowsy the way it feels after taking a cough syrup. The only difference is that you will be doing this for the rest of your life. The problem with most Western guys is they think HIV is for blacks or gays. Once they get think this is the last thing, they will think of cancer or whatever. We are mongering please stay safe. Unprotected sex in all forms where oral, BJ, anal, vaginal gets you infected. Using a condom for vagina while having a bare BJ doesn't make you safe. HIV is real and people are travelling all over the world and you don't know who barebacked who and what disease they had.We need to be aware and decide how much we care about our health. Ok you don't die of HIV anymore but what shit life awaits us after? Always use a condom dear guys, and if we go with prostitutes we cannot afford the luxury of licking their pussy for half an hour and then sleeping peacefully.
Stop eating junk food, drinking alcohol, taking medicine / drug, tanning, being inactive, going outside. Your actions in your life can lead you to a disease. There are many diseases that kill more people than aids.Sure it won't kill you, but do you really want to be taking medications for the rest of your life? Also risk transferring the virus to your significant other, and if she has kids then you risk passing it on to them as well.
We need to be aware and decide how much we care about our health. Ok you don't die of HIV anymore but what shit life awaits us after? Always use a condom dear guys, and if we go with prostitutes we cannot afford the luxury of licking their pussy for half an hour and then sleeping peacefully.Bro, you are absolutely right about this.
I would like to know the success rate of Prep and Z pack.
Have anyone being using it constantly for heterosexual sex with sex workers?
If so what is the success rate if you get constantly checked.
I have used Prep once (term) but I only did it with few people I know.
MysteryOcean
06-20-22, 21:32
I am going to Tanzania, Kenya and Uganda next week. Just wondering is any Prep available in medical stores there?
I am living in California, I think they sale it here but it might be too expensive.
If it's not available in Africa, I will have to buy it from here, no matter the cost.
Could someone please guide?
WhiteMambaa
07-21-22, 19:52
Go to a large hospital and tell them you were exposed. As for me, I don't take Prep, I take Pep. 90 days for $30. I know the studies of Prep say that if you take it on time, every day, that your chances are virtually non existent. Yet for me, having 2 other mechanisms to avoid a permanent infection eases my mind.
Out of 100 girls I tested from tinder, 24 were positive. 2 were barely positive and had infections of about 2. 5-3 months. Scarey, because the virus is more than 10 times more prevalent. I could only get 2 of them to take daily ARV's. The others didn't care.
Strange fact I foumd out after the last girl gotcher ARV's. Pep and her ARV medicine is exactly the same.
I am going to Tanzania, Kenya and Uganda next week. Just wondering is any Prep available in medical stores there?
I am living in California, I think they sale it here but it might be too expensive.
If it's not available in Africa, I will have to buy it from here, no matter the cost.
Could someone please guide?
SAN FRANCISCO, CA – The LGBTQ+ lobby has added the Monkeypox symbol to the Pride Flag in honor of their ever-evolving movement for freedom and equity. "Instead of preventing Monkeypox by getting vaccinated and abstaining from gay sex with strangers for a few weeks, the community is embracing the virus as a symbol of equity and bodily autonomy," says Jason Hillons, a local gay man. "Everyone's going to catch it. We're not going to let the world tell us who we can and can't sleep with!
The flag will be featured at LeatherWalk 2022 in September. LeatherWalk 2022 invites thousands of LGBTQ+ members and California public school kids to participate in all sorts of day and night festivities which include leather and latex. Despite the prevalence of a vaccine, Monkeypox is still spreading around the country.
"Monkeypox and AIDS are a rite of passage," says Trey Norms. "If you haven't gotten it yet, are you even gay?
There are now over 5,800 confirmed cases in the United States and no concrete way of preventing the virus. Big Tech leaders have announced that anyone outside the LGBTQ+ community who associates the virus with a sexually promiscuous lifestyle will be banned from social media for homophobia. . .
We need to be aware and decide how much we care about our health. Ok you don't die of HIV anymore but what shit life awaits us after? Always use a condom dear guys, and if we go with prostitutes we cannot afford the luxury of licking their pussy for half an hour and then sleeping peacefully.Please, no preaching in a monger forum. If you have some scientific data, please share it.
I have a couple of friends who are HIV positive. One of them for close to 30 years. They are alive but not much fun.
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