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Chocha Monger
09-06-05, 06:35
CBGB,
You are correct about Eastern European and Latin American women being more likely to be content with a man moving to their country to live. My favorite Latina girl has told me numerous times, "Amor come stay with me. I know that you would not make a lot of money here but we will be together, and I will be happy even if we'll only have beans to eat."
I have been a bit stubborn in wanting to work elsewhere for another year or two because I think that a little more cash might make my relocation a bit easier and more permanent. However, I always wonder if my delay might end up causing me regrets in the future. She always tells me not to put myself at risk for the sake of money.
Me Mek Lover,
It's true to some degree that the blond is most in demand in the US, but that is due mainly to the fact that blondes are used heavily by the media in marketing. White women still constitute the majority of females in the US and hence it is not surprising that males of all races seem to be fucking them. I don't think that minority males are turning down minority pussy in favor of white pussy. If you ask black, asian or hispanic guys why they chose a caucasian girl they will often tell you that they were not getting anywhere with women of their own race. Black women in particular are know for getting hostile with black guys who date white women. However, if that same black guy that they happen to be bitching about went up to them and asked them out on a date they won't give him the time of day, or even night for that matter. It's just typical AW bullshit. I have heard the same from asians and hispanics while living in the Mid-West. It doesn't make sense to me but how many times have women made sense to you?
There are also a lot of cute black and hispanic girls who would not give nice decent white guys a shot at that brown sugar. I remember sitting next to this hot big titted Latina on a flight from Florida to Latin America, her name was Esmeralda. We got into a conversation and she told me how she ended up immigranting to the US and buying a house in a predominantly white neighborhood in Florida. She said that she didn't have a man because she spends most of her time at work and at home. I asked her what about the people she met at work and in her neighborhood? Then she said that she had never dated a white man. I asked why? She just said that she wasn't interested, so I decided to leave it at that. Anyway, I couldn't help but think how this smooth cinnamon skinned beauty with soft doe eyes, black silky hair and an ample bosom was letting it all go to waste over something as silly as the color of a cock. However, one must respect other people's sexual preferences, though I can't help but wonder if one day Esmeralda will change her mind and release herself from her sexual frustration.
As for Asian and hispanic women wanting to have kids with white men in order to have light skinned children who will climb the social ladder, they must not be very well educated otherwise they would know that there are only two things that really help with climbing the social ladder in the US. These two things are lots of money and a little education. The more money that you have the less the education will matter. If they don't believe me they can come down South and visit the trailers parks filled with white people living on welfare.
Cheers,
Chocha
I've just had a thought. We were discussing things that would make gender relationships bearable in the United States. I have long maintained that one of those things is the legalization of prostitution-basically take away women's ability to dictate terms by which man can receive pussy, as quality ass would be reasonably priced and freely available. What I was wondering is what the behavior of American Women is like in the parts of the US that border places were prostitution is legal (Seattle, San Diego, Detroit, etc). If there is an effect, this could prove my hypothesis.
Smut Villain
09-06-05, 08:37
Black women in particular are know for getting hostile with black guys who date white women. However, if that same black guy that they happen to be bitching about went up to them and asked them out on a date they won't give him the time of day, or even night for that matter.
@ Chocha Monger:It's not the men that they want; it's the attention being shifted away from them. Again, typical AW acting like a five year-old child.
@ BART9000: I think I may have some insight to your question. As I have mentioned some time ago I used to work in San Diego some years ago. I can tell you from experience that a guy who wouldn't get the time of day from women in his own hometown could go to S.D. and practically become a pimp. These girls were (and still are) getting big competition from Mexican Latinas south of the border.
It wasn't just the working girls, either. The culture on the other side of the fence was a little different (i.e. the women actually acted like women), and the AW knew they had to approach the game with a whole different attitude just to compete. They actually had to work a little harder to get your attention than they would almost anywhere else. They'd never admit to any of this but it was pretty obvious to everybody there. It didn't help matters (for the AW's) that S.D. is, like most major West Coast cities, an international melting pot; in addition to Latinas they had to compete with Filipinas, Hmongs, Vietnamese, etc. Not to say it was some sort of Utopia, the AW's still acted like entitled skanks; but they definitely felt the heat of competition in San Diego Bay so they weren't nearly as bad as in other parts of the U.S.
Cebu Local
09-06-05, 10:00
@ BART9000: I think I may have some insight to your question. As I have mentioned some time ago I used to work in San Diego some years ago. I can tell you from experience that a guy who wouldn't get the time of day from women in his own hometown could go to S.D. and practically become a pimp. These girls were (and still are) getting big competition from Mexican Latinas south of the border.
It wasn't just the working girls, either. The culture on the other side of the fence was a little different (i.e. the women actually acted like women), and the AW knew they had to approach the game with a whole different attitude just to compete. They actually had to work a little harder to get your attention than they would almost anywhere else. They'd never admit to any of this but it was pretty obvious to everybody there. It didn't help matters (for the AW's) that S.D. is, like most major West Coast cities, an international melting pot; in addition to Latinas they had to compete with Filipinas, Hmongs, Vietnamese, etc. Not to say it was some sort of Utopia, the AW's still acted like entitled skanks; but they definitely felt the heat of competition in San Diego Bay so they weren't nearly as bad as in other parts of the U.S.[/QUOTE]My point exactly Imagine American Women living and working in Asia.Latin America or Europe.With competition,they have adapt and change their ways or end up with totally zero dates,lovelife etc.If you see the women at the American Club in Hong Kong or other places,their attitude is totally different.Having lived in Asia for over 15 years in Thailand,Malaysia and the Philippines,you can see the difference in their attitudes.For example the country Manager of Philip Morris arrived with his girlfriend and sent her packing back to the states in 1 year,An Aussie diplomat who was my neighbour ended up divorcing his wife and marrying his secretary.Competition does wonders for attitudes
CBGBConnisur
09-06-05, 11:38
Canadian and British women are the two nationalities that are actually worse than American women, in some ways American women balance out because of the large African American and Hispanic female population. I have found women from both groups tend to be less egotistical than a white American female. Canadian and British women are horrible period. The British deported their best looking people to Australia hence Australians are stereotyped as athletic, energetic and charming.
Alas!
It's true. The women here are pretty bad. In fact they are so bad I've had to invent a new term to describe them.
First, there's heterosexuals.... the majority who are interested in a normal relationship with a member of the opposite sex.
Then we have homosexuals.... same thing but with members of the same sex.
So what could one call these women who only seem to want men when it benefits them? What to call these out-of-shape, short-haired, business suit wearing blobs who have lost the feminine aspects of their sexuality? I call them hemi-sexuals.
A hemi-sexual woman is one who has lost touch with her natural feminine sexuality due to the social changes that have been going on for the last 30 years or so. She often knows what she doesn't want, yet seldom knows what she DOES want. This leads to a lot of time spend complaining about stuff and very little time spent effecting a solution (such as self-improvement).
Hemisexual women can easily be spotted by their attire (business suits), attitude (bitchy) and looks (fat ass, fat arms fat stomach etc.) In much the same way a chicken's wings are no longer capable of sustained flight, the hemisexual womans' atrophied female sexuality is no longer capable of sustained normal relationship with a male partner.
All is not lost however, as populations of normal fully sexual women are thought to still exist in the unspoiled regions of eastern europe, south america and africa.
Rock
CBGB,
Was intrigued by your views of Canadian and British women.
I've found that women from Montreal at least are quite friendly and generally more than OK in the looks department. As far as the rest of Canada, I agree with your observations.
In regard to British women, I know that many guys share your views. I've been to London, Manchester, Liverpool and Wales and have had a lot of success for some reason. Manchester, in particular, was full of eager and approachable women. I would be interested in what the guys out there think of British women in particular.
Chocha Monger
09-08-05, 07:29
British chicks are sort of manly and they love a good ass fucking complete with donkey punch.
CBGBConnisur
09-08-05, 16:37
French canadian women are an exception but the rest of the Canadian female population is plain horrible. In terms of economics, Quebec is the poorest of the major provinces, its also the most difficult to immigrate to.
As far as Australian women a lot of them are actually of Irish heritage, and look more Scandinavian than British. The Irish ones usually have straight blonde hair while the British have brown hair which is a bit wavy or curly. In fact, flying on Qantas one brown haired flight attendant was clearly British and she was masculine looking, I ran into another who was a Patsy Kensit lookalike and a complete babe.
British women? Yuck. Fat like American women only they dress funny and have bad teeth. Not quite as bitchy, though.
And yeah, I lived there. I hated it. Bad food, overcrowded, horribly expensive, warm beer, bars close early, rains all the fucking time.
I have been mongering in most places in the world including our backyard and these are the average prices for paid sex for a half hour session converted from their currency:
USA (Nevada Brothels): $300-$5000
UK:$200
Canada: $120-$150
Holland: $100
Germany FKKs:$50-$80
Czech Republic Sex Bar: $40-$50
Brazil Termas: $25-$66
Dominican Republic Casas: $12-$50
Thailand AMP:$8-$33
Hong Kong AMP:$25-$125 (plus negotiable "tips" ranging an additional $40-$80)
Mexico "Massage" Parlor: $80 FS
Brothels are a great yardstick as to the attitudes and cockiness of the regular women. We see the countries with the lower cost pussy has the women with better attitudes while you look at the US and you see the highest prices which means the bitchiest women. What makes a Nevada brothel worse is that they can make their own prices because you have to negotiate with the woman for the price before doing it. I have been quoted $5000 from a stuck up model-looking ***** to $200 from an old hag. That also means that they are much less willing to touch cock than foreign women. I mean, $50 is almost like a fair exchange for cock for pussy and you could be old and fat while in an American brothel they charge you more for being fat, old, short, another race, atc.
In the same way, American women have become "hemi-sexual". I see this as a lean toward "homosexual" or lesbianism because they don't like to have sex with men with their feminism. They have become uninterested in sex and much more interested in money and how much of it they can milk a man for it. Women in Germany see pussy as a fair exchange for cock as reflected in the $50 instead of $300. They won't jack you for more money if you are fat, Asian, or old. This price range is reflected in the regular women. These women in countries with affordable pussy are much more approachable than American women. In Germany and Czech Republic, I was able to look at a woman's cleavage without getting maced, a dirty look or a mean comment but she smiled at me for being interested in her. The prices also reflect how much of a prude they are. The more expensive the prices, the less willing they are willing to touch cock. A $5000 price feels like an "Eeeewwwww" response from a woman while something under $100 feels like an "Oooo" response" if I were to ask them for paid sex.
Chocha Monger
09-08-05, 19:42
Darkseid,
American women view cock handling the same way that people view garbage handling, it is not something fun to do but it can pay fairly well. Fucking a man must rank high on the list of the World's Dirtiest Jobs for most American women. They demand a premium for touching those "dirty dicks" and if you want them to suck it that will cost you more.
I know women who make 60K per annum in good jobs but they still go out to bars in search of someone willing to pay the rent, car note and credit card debt in return for lying there like a dead fish while he huffs and puffs away. The typical response to the thought of a butt naked man on top of them sweating as he humps away is "eeeeeew". Mention cock sucking to them "eeeeeeeeew"! Yet still these women want a man who loves to "go down". They seem to think that it's a treat for a man to suck on their nasty smelly sweaty yeast infected cunts. They don't realize that if they had to pay a man to DATY they couldn't afford it.
The perfect man for an AW is one who has tons of money, pays for everything, never wants to penetrate her with his penis, and enjoys licking her **** every night after she's had her vodka and tonic.
CBGBConnisur
09-08-05, 20:05
Darkseid, prices in big US cities are even higher than $500US. A good escort in a big US city can easily cost you $1000. Up until the fall of the US dollar an hour at the most exclusive Australian brothel costed about a $140US, there are some women near King's Cross, who are 9s or better that offered me 2 hours for a 100 Australian(about 75US dollars right now), still a bargain compared to US women. There was some poster here who said Australian prostitutes are more expensive than US ones, not in my experience. Frankly I thought the fellow who mentioned it is a naive idiot who's never dealt with an American working girl.
French canadian women are an exception but the rest of the Canadian female population is plain horrible. In terms of economics, Quebec is the poorest of the major provinces, its also the most difficult to immigrate to.
I went to Quebec (Montreal) every year from age 17 to age 21 during the summer months to meet women. I found them to be more feminine than AW, and they werent afraid to let you know they were interested. They were more straightforward. Those women really know how to flirt when they like you, and it's unmistakable.
The things that kept me from moving there were the cold and the fact that I'd have to learn French.
But even so, they are still feminists there, too. But the dating and sex game is better for men.
Was over a friend's house the other day and asked where his wife was since it was 11 pm and we were all hanging out. He said we are separated now and she is staying back at the mothers. Sounded kind of strange since he does not monger, drink, or do anything to give a woman an excuse to complain about. He just works alot to pay off the new house. Last time I was there she was watching all the HBO programs- Sex in the City, The L word, like they were going out of style.
Now they got married a year ago. Big fancy wedding, ring, honeymoon to exotic locale, etc. Asked what's up with that? (the separation) he said rite after the wedding the sex really tailed off and she became distant. So now they are getting divorced.
Oh yeah now she is a citizen since she is from a country in Central America. He says that don't have nothing to do with it since they are still friends.
CBGBConnisur
09-09-05, 16:11
I always avoid those types, Visa hunters, I would be pissed, but its clear stupidity to give a foreign woman a golden ticket to the USA, after which she will take advantage of the ultra feminist laws and throw you away like a can of beer.
Chocha Monger
09-09-05, 19:53
Last time I was there she was watching all the HBO programs- Sex in the City, The L word, like they were going out of style...
Now they got married a year ago. Big fancy wedding, ring, honeymoon to exotic locale, etc. Asked what's up with that? (the separation) he said rite after the wedding the sex really tailed off and she became distant. So now they are getting divorced.
Oh yeah now she is a citizen since she is from a country in Central America. He says that don't have nothing to do with it since they are still friends.
It sounds like your friend made the usual mistakes:
1. He married in the USA.
2. He married a woman that had more to gain by marrying him and nothing to lose by divorcing him.
3. He forgot that the fastest way to kill a woman's sex drive is by marrying her.
4. He allowed her to sit on her ass being brainwashed by the skanks on "Sex In The City" while he wasn't getting any sex in the city.
Your friend sounds like he would be a woman's dream husband in Central America, and that is the point exactly in CA not in North America. Even if she didn't plan on marrying for her citizenship, she certainly began to feel as though she could be doing better after watching all the spoilt skanks on TV living the life.
I know a guy who married a girl from Central America so she could get her papers. It's working out for him so far, she is legal and he gets to fuck some decent pussy everyday. However, he's up to debt in his eyeballs from two previous marriages to AWs and pays hefty child support and alimony. His wife from CA has to work to make ends meet and knows that she will get nothing in a divorce except some debt. I thought that he was nuts to get married again until I realized that he has nothing to lose because the chick can't have kids so that even rules out child support.
Something that probably warrants some discussion is the effect of the media in creating the attitudes that most of us find reprehensible.
I watched the new "Transporter" movie the other day. It featured some interesting subtext with a character who was the father/breadwinner, being portrayed as a semi-bad guy (although he is redeemed in the end), featured the sexy young wife throwing herself at the sexy bad boy.
I thought that was really interesting coming out of a movie created (by a Frenchman no less) to entertain young males.
I think you should make a dictonomy between aw raised overseas and ones just visiting, working.
I used to work in japan. there are many aw there, but they would never try to improve themselves relative to j-women or even learn the language etc.
Instead, they stop having sex, go out to eat with guy pals and girl pals, ***** about american men dating japanese women.
There is no change except an embitterness that no one likes them or even talks to them.
one thing people don't understand, aw will never change even overseas, they would rather just go into asexual mode, I don't think aw really like sex that much anyway, become fatter and bitchy and chaulk up the local culture as "stupid" or something. I noticed new zealand, aussie wouldn't ***** so much about this.
Darkseid:
Interesting observation between prices and the attitudes of girls in certain countries. By the way, I take it that you are Asian due to the comments you made about German providers being fair regardless of whether one is old, fat or Asian, otherwise you just pretty much insulted this group of people.
Well, I hope that they remain fair by not increasing prices next June due to the World Cup championship.
Cebu Local
09-10-05, 00:11
After reading all these horror stories,I thought I would share a Happy Ending.A Belgian friend of mine was unhappily married to an American Woman who he met at Cornell,He is the resident manager of a resort in Malaysia.His wife was cheating on him.So he hired a private detective to get evidence.Then he quietly closed their bank accounts in the US and moved their money into Malaysian bank accounts.then he suddenly CONVERTED to Islam and filed for divorce using the evidence of her adultery.Under the Shariah Law,She got NOTHING,since Shariah law applies to Muslims.He got custody,since she was an adulteress and to add insult to injury,she filed a case in the US.But She was told they did not have jurisdiction in Belgium or Malaysia to enforce her claim.Since He has no plans of working in the US,She will not a get a penny for the rest of her life from his six figure income.and He lived happily ever after
sorry, but the application of shariah law does not offer justice for the fair sex. to me, the law should be equal, regardless of whether one has a y chromosome. just read below.
sharia stoning sentence for nigerian woman
just this week, an appellate shariah court in northern nigeria upheld a "death by stoning" sentence against a woman for having sex outside marriage. the case of amina lawal, the 30-year-old nigerian woman sentenced to death, should raise grave concerns about how islamic law is used in nigeria and in other countries to brutalize and subordinate women. no country that values human dignity and the equality of all its citizens can afford to have a legal system in place that endorses discrimination, torture, and cruel and inhuman punishment. immediate reform of the aspects of shariah that deny women equality under law and in practice is needed.
combined with local traditions, the effect of such verdicts is to make women afraid. a public sentencing sends a message to all women: that if they step outside the strictures of shariah, they, too, can expect a painful and ignominious death. if she loses her final appeal, ms. lawal can expect to be buried up to her chest and stoned to death, leaving behind three motherless children. but countless other women in nigeria will fear for their own lives as a result.
shariah need not be bad for women. throughout the world, muslim women want to live observant lives with human dignity and respect for their rights. many muslim women i know and work with are faithful muslims and categorically reject the abuse of shariah to sow their oppression.
in saudi arabia in march, at least 14 girls may have died unnecessarily in a school fire because of extreme interpretations of the islamic dress code. members of the committee for the promotion of virtue and the prevention of vice interfered with rescue efforts because the fleeing students were not wearing the obligatory public attire (long black cloaks and head coverings) for saudi girls and women. also in saudi arabia, women's testimonies in court are equal to half those of a man.
a woman in pakistan who has been raped and wants the state to prosecute her case must have four muslim men testify that they witnessed the assault. absent these male witnesses, effectively the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) victim has no case. equally alarming, if she cannot prove the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) allegation, she runs a very high risk of being charged with fornication or adultery, the criminal penalty for which is either a long prison sentence, including public whipping, or, though rarely, death by stoning.
the application of shariah is not limited to criminal matters, but in some countries some aspects of shariah also govern civil matters. morocco's "personal status code" (the mudawwana) is one example. under it, women are treated as legal minors and denied legal autonomy to conclude their own marriage contracts. this code establishes male authority over female family members, requires women to obey their husbands in all matters, and sharply limits women's -- though not men's -- access to divorce. moroccan law further discriminates against women in the marriage process by allowing men to have up to four wives simultaneously.
there will no doubt be significant and vigorous disagreement about whether the above examples are faithful interpretations and applications of shariah. while this is being debated, millions of women living under shariah contend with laws and practice that make a mockery of international human rights protections and endanger their lives.
there are varying interpretations among islamic jurists about whether these applications are correct, but they are grossly unfair to women, antithetical to human-rights principles, and should be reformed.
how do we protect vulnerable women in countries like nigeria where a radical interpretation of shariah is being enforced? the international community must pressure governments to reform criminal laws and strengthen secular justice systems so that the rule of law applies across society. civil societies must be strengthened, and local women's groups that are pushing for reform should be supported. the u.n., european union, and other multilateral bodies should redouble their efforts to support long-term projects that improve women's legal and other status.
the u.s. identified the restoration of afghan women's basic rights as one of the principal goals of ousting the taliban. this must be a goal not only for afghanistan, but also for the other parts of the world where the growing power of discriminatory law, including certain interpretations of shariah, is a pernicious and chronic threat to women's very existence.
CBGBConnisur
09-10-05, 02:41
The worst kinds of AWs will be found on the campuses of prestigious US universities. One woman I met at Columbia, I cursed her out when we broke up, this was while I was spending time abroad and realizing that men even in other Western countries don't put up with the same kind of shit that happens with US women. There is no even playing field between men and women in America, in fact if a woman commits a crime chances are that she will get away with a lighter penalty, look at Martha Stewart or that Susan Smith, I recall Stewart's equivalent Bernie Ebbers is going away to the bighouse for a really long time, Stewart is out and now has her own show. I also recall the story of the sicko school teacher who seduced her student, if this was a male teacher doing the same to a female student, the guy would have been hung by his balls. I don't condone any of the above sociopaths and their deviant behavior, but the fact is that the system in the US seems to forgive women very easily.
The best thing is to try to live in another country if you want to maximize your chances of meeting attractive women and sleeping with them. With the measly two weeks that most American workers get, its hard to travel abroad. The only people that will have the time and money to explore destinations overseas are the ultra rich. I have met people from Western Europe and here in Australia that I completely envy because they live quite well and get to travel around the world, especially the guys, they get opportunities for meeting some rather stunning hotties because of the more generous vacation times. Aussie women compared to a woman from a developing country might be seen as arrogant but if you compare them to North American women they are total pushovers, Australian guys tend to be very chauvinist, and I have known that many spend their vacation time in Asia or other locales chasing skirts, so it reverberates back to the Sheilas. The same thing happens in Europe to a bigger degree, since the Soviet Union fell there have been millions of EE women pouring into Western European countries, and I have seen rather average guys with some real stunners on the streets of Europe, some of these guys are just average looking with incomes that would be very modest by US standards but they are getting the kind of pussy that only Brad Pitt and his ilk get in the US. Its a supply and demand scenario but its also dictated by how the males behave.
Even British guys, while British women suck, they can easily hop across the channel to the continent, in fact, while I have been traveling around Europe, almost 8 out of ten native English speakers seem to be from the UK, as they easily outnumber Americans like me and Canadians. This kind of gives me an advantage as I am seen as this exotic and mysterious Indiana Jones American while the Brits are looked at like a bunch of soccer loving boobs, its so amazing so see Eurobabes fall over me like I'm some kind of hotshot even though I am just a regular guy.
Chocha Monger
09-10-05, 07:41
Cebu Local,
Your story about your friend was great. It's good to know that there are guys out there thinking outside the box and out-foxing worthless AWs. It reminds me of those greedy AWs that marry wealthy Arab men thinking that they've hit the jackpot. Then after moving to the guy's country they suddenly discover that they don't get half of everything in a divorce, and the kids stay with the father so no child support either.
These women the return to the US bawling at the State Department and basically expecting a war to be fought on their behalf. If they were not so greedy they would not have been blinded.
Sinanju Master
09-10-05, 15:35
I've often thought that if I ever got married to a AW (god forbid) I'd have a WORLD of secret escape paths ready ON THE SPOT if need be: secret accounts (possibly even overseas), secret places of residence, and a slow transformation of lifestyle that would be apparent (for her "benefit") to show that the effect of her behavior is slowly draining my finances (while the money is slowly being transferred to an account of MY choosing). The last matter would accelerate her disinterest in me and thereby hasten her exit, since she would see there is nothing worth pillaging.
If you get married in the US, and have hidden bank accounts, you will end up committing perjury in the divorce process. That's a serious felony. Just something to think about.
But fuck the US. I'll never go back.
Sinanju Master
09-10-05, 21:15
If you get married in the US, and have hidden bank accounts, you will end up committing perjury in the divorce process. That's a serious felony. Just something to think about.
But fuck the US. I'll never go back.
Yeah, I've thought about that, BUT I would NEVER have a personal account in my own name that was meant for emergency situations such as my escape. In that respect, if she wanted to come after my PERSONAL account, she could HAVE the pennies it contains. As a "show" of relinquishing to her "what's hers" (what she feels she DESERVES) I'd gladly give up some token assets that would appear to leave me destitute so she can do her victory dance. After she celebrates and the party tent is wrapped up, I go on about my life FAR AWAY from her and enjoy a new life while she never hears from me EVER AGAIN. The idea is to erase my existence as best I can. "Out of sight, out of mind".....
It just goes to show you how much the system is stacked against us.
Women want equality.... as long as it doesn't cost them any of the unfair advantages they currently have over us.
In principle, I don't mind the idea of paying alimony/support payments. However, it's this whole open-ended thing that pisses me off. Where did this whole idea come from that we have to keep on paying forever?
If men were to get together and become politically activist in the same way that women have been for the last few decades, we could probably undo a great deal of the damage.
A few good ideas....
Arbitrated divorces. ie. No more laywers goading separated couples into long and costly legal battles.
Pre nups that hold up.
Time limits on alimony based on time married, who initiated the divorce etc.
Rock
(aside from the years of rejection after being heartlessly exploited) was actually in a strip club (don't ask me why I thought of this at 3:30 in the morning). There is a gigantic one in Chicago which I used to frequent before I discovered p4p. After spending way too much time and money there, I came to discover something. While the Latina's, and EE's, (there was only one Asian girl and I wasn't into her big fake tits) were almost a sure bet for some very mild extra fun (copped feels, sucked nipples, being fingered etc) in the back room, MOST of the homegrown AW's had a policy of putting on a big show to sell a dance, and then once they got you hooked, doing in some cases the absolute minimum possible (in a grindy club, some were even like "I'm just eye candy for you". ) I remember telling one beautiful Polish girl "some of the other girls tolerate having their nipples sucked on....you actually encourage it!!!!" It was very telling.
Smut Villain
09-12-05, 04:20
(aside from the years of rejection after being heartlessly exploited) was actually in a strip club (don't ask me why I thought of this at 3:30 in the morning). There is a gigantic one in Chicago which I used to frequent before I discovered p4p. After spending way too much time and money there, I came to discover something. While the Latina's, and EE's, (there was only one Asian girl and I wasn't into her big fake tits) were almost a sure bet for some very mild extra fun (copped feels, sucked nipples, being fingered etc) in the back room, MOST of the homegrown AW's had a policy of putting on a big show to sell a dance, and then once they got you hooked, doing in some cases the absolute minimum possible (in a grindy club, some were even like "I'm just eye candy for you". ) I remember telling one beautiful Polish girl "some of the other girls tolerate having their nipples sucked on....you actually encourage it!!!!" It was very telling.
Heh, I know what you mean, Bart. I found out by serving in the Navy for a number of years. With the homegrown AW's I could never get the time of day, and this was the case ever since I was born. On my first overseas deployment, however, it was a completely different story; I must have had a different girlfriend every month. I never changed anything about myself, yet I was suddenly appreciated by the fairer sex. This was true in every country regardless of socio-economic level with the exception of one (the U.S., of course). In fact, it seemed that I was not the only one to notice, because nearly every servicemember I knew had a similar experience.
Smut Villain,
What countries were you deployed to? Are there any that you remember, excluding ChingChongLand, being above/below average for picking up good short term girlfriends? Although Ive travelled alot, I usually only spend a few days in a country, which is usually not enough time. Besides, living in Argentina, everyplace seems like a step down in terms of women. But I would like to broaden my horizons and take some longer trips next year.
joined the Army Reserve-just missed going into Gulf War I by a split training arangement, and spent two glorious summers training at Fort Dix,NJ, and Fort Benjamin Harrison, IN (It was paradise I tell you). To think, that I could have known 13-14 years ago what I know now!!!! Dad was Navy too. He tried to tell me but......
Smut Villain
09-12-05, 12:34
Smut Villain,
What countries were you deployed to? Are there any that you remember, excluding ChingChongLand, being above/below average for picking up good short term girlfriends? Although Ive travelled alot, I usually only spend a few days in a country, which is usually not enough time. Besides, living in Argentina, everyplace seems like a step down in terms of women. But I would like to broaden my horizons and take some longer trips next year.
After 10 years of deployments the list runs a bit long, so I'll just get right to the point.
I've had success in Norway (of all places!) If you are into blonde Scandanavian "goddesses" then you can't go wrong there, plus I found them to be quite approachable (an "average joe" couldn't get within 10 feet of these babes in the U.S.) Denmark also rocks in this regard.
Mexico is one of my all-time favorites, but not just for mongering. If you stay away from the tourist traps and venture a little outside of the red-light districts you can find some surprisingly nice women (of course, the further away from the border the better the quality IMHO)
Despite what some of the nay-sayers tell you about CBGB's claims, Australia is top-notch when it comes to meeting women; very nice females, and very aproachable. CBGB is not out of his mind - I've seen first-hand evidence of a lot of his claims.
I know you didn't want me to mention any Asian locales, but I must include Hong Kong in this list. The fastest pick-up I've ever had in my life occurred there; I met a girl in a club (Neptune's? I forget the name) and went to bed with her 30 minutes later! :D
Fiji was also good for some fast pick-ups, but I had to look hard for anything I'd consider getting naked with.
I also recommend Nova Scotia for some action. Halifax was very good to me (someone said it was because there were too many homosexual men there, but I'm not so sure that's true - don't believe everything you hear)
I almost forgot - Spain deserves a toast. I had a wonderful time in Rota (wink wink).
As you can imagine, every return trip to the U.S. was a disappointment to me after visiting ports-of-calls like these. At times I wished I could stay on deployment forever. I did notice that in most of the "good" ports where prostitution was legal, the non-pros exhibited a slightly better attitude. I still wonder if there was a connection?
CBGBConnisur
09-12-05, 16:41
I have seen quite a few Asian women in this region of the world but for some reason I just don't find them interesting. Smut Villain's rundown of places is pretty accurate, I don't think anyone can go wrong in places like Spain and Norway, although Norway is kind of expensive for tourism. The reason why pros and nonpros might be better in these areas are complicated, usually I think its more due to the fact that feminism and women's liberation is weaker in these places, there is also less economic activity and opportunity so women might be more eager to enter sex work than in the States.
I met an Argentinian woman in Spain, and Dickhead is one lucky Joe to be surrounded by these types of women. Dickhead, when you were mentioning machine gun toting police, are you sure you were talking about Argentina, or was it Brazil? I have been to Rio a couple of years ago, its pretty dangerous but the chicas make up for it.
Darkseid:
Interesting observation between prices and the attitudes of girls in certain countries. By the way, I take it that you are Asian due to the comments you made about German providers being fair regardless of whether one is old, fat or Asian, otherwise you just pretty much insulted this group of people.
Well, I hope that they remain fair by not increasing prices next June due to the World Cup championship.
Yes, I am an American born Asian guy and proud of it but life as one has been made harder by negative stereotypes accepted mostly in the East coast such as us being barbaric and eating dogs and cats, us having small peckers, and us rushing people for seats on the subway. I experience these stereotypes less in the west coast or midwest. In fact I did an experiment in Match.com or Yahoo Dating.com where signed in as an Asian guy in the territories of New York and Las Vegas and I got more hits in Las Vegas than in New York. This goes to show how nasty big city East coast AWs are versus Midwest.
Also statistically there is a much greater divorce rate in the big cities such as LA, Boston, and NYC than in the sprawling communities and this has a lot to do with the city's economy. In NYC, you need more money to even exist or breathe than you do in the Midwest. Finances has a lot to do with AW's greed and divorce rate. AWs in the big cities expect to meet a guy who will pamper them because they think by moving into the big city, they can meet a Donald Trump but 90% of the people are struggling average Joes like myself trying to make a dime to "Survive- paying rent, eating and paying tickets earned from these ridiculously strict New City Major Bloomberg laws while not being able to afford entertainment". They marry people like us disappointed and end up divorcing us and try to squeeze what's left of our wallets and then some because they are angry that we are not Donald Trump. Notice that there are less AWs that stay in the Midwest than ones that move into the city. The ones that move into the city are brainwashed into a more glamorous life of the big city. Once they move there, they find themselves struggling and desperate to make ends meet so some end up becoming escorts for the Girl next door type brothels that charge $200 an hour until they can find some sucker to marry.
The ones that stay in the Midwest are the ones that are satisfied with the simple country life (except for Las Vegas where you have the best of both worlds- a big house in a sprawling community and the wild LV Strip life). They don't need to find a guy who is loaded because in the Midwest you can live on half the salary you need for the big city where everything costs double. My older brother is happily married to a girl from Ohio who moved in with him in Philly while I am still stuck here with greedy scavengers of AWs that have alterior motives.
Also I noticed that the better priced independent women are the ones from Europe, Canada and Asia and even ones from the Midwest. The European and Asian ones charge $150 to $200 an hour. The ones born in small towns work in agencies charging $200 to $300 and hour while the New Yorkers and assimilated New Yorkers charge $500 and up. How greedy can New York women be!! The best source for looking up these independents are the New York City Escort Magazines found in newsstand. You'll see what I am talking about with the prices. Also the women change almost every month because they are in the business for the short term so it is imposible to review each one of them. I had done a woman name Liz who was a great lay with BBBJ but no longer works in the business. She worked from her apartment and said that she wants to make enough money to go home to her parents in Wisconsin because she just lost her job and spent all her savings on rent, food, and other living expenses. She no longer is listed in the sex guide. My old sex guides are no good and have to keep buying new ones each time I feel like doing it.
CBGBConnisur
09-12-05, 18:16
I spent most of my time in New York since early childhood, people in the Northeast tend to be arrogant and nasty no matter what you do. I can tell you that it really doesn't matter what you are in New York because no one gives a shit regardless of what your race or ethnicity is, I experienced some reverse discrimination for being white in a primarily non-white part of the city. I remember an elderly schoolteacher neighbor of mine was taunted by a large group of black schoolchildren, who called her an old fart and all sorts of nasty things, she happened to be born in Scotland. I spent a lot of time in the South, around Atlanta, and the people there are a lot friendlier than Northerners, the Midwest, Rocky Mountain region, and the West Coast is better too, the company I worked for transferred me to Australia, and I have been here ever since, decided to remain permanently.
I lived in Philadelphia for a while, I thought it was a dump, but unlike New York people would give you the time of day, but still it was a cold place not easy to meet people. Of course if you wore a NY Giants sweatshirt around the now demolished Veterans Stadium, you would get your ass handed to you. Tried to look for work in San Diego and Denver, my two favorite places in the States, but no dice.
Smut Villain
09-13-05, 00:18
Yes, I am an American born Asian guy and proud of it but life as one has been made harder by negative stereotypes accepted mostly in the East coast such as us being barbaric and eating dogs and cats, us having small peckers, and us rushing people for seats on the subway.
People still believe this shit? Damn, people are fucking ignorant!
lso statistically there is a much greater divorce rate in the big cities such as LA, Boston, and NYC than in the sprawling communities and this has a lot to do with the city's economy. In NYC, you need more money to even exist or breathe than you do in the Midwest. Finances has a lot to do with AW's greed and divorce rate. AWs in the big cities expect to meet a guy who will pamper them because they think by moving into the big city, they can meet a Donald Trump but 90% of the people are struggling average Joes like myself trying to make a dime to "Survive- paying rent, eating and paying tickets earned from these ridiculously strict New City Major Bloomberg laws while not being able to afford entertainment". They marry people like us disappointed and end up divorcing us and try to squeeze what's left of our wallets and then some because they are angry that we are not Donald Trump.
Too damn true. I guess it's all those "Sex in the City" reruns...
The reason why pros and nonpros might be better in these areas are complicated, usually I think its more due to the fact that feminism and women's liberation is weaker in these places, there is also less economic activity and opportunity so women might be more eager to enter sex work than in the States.
CBGB, I'd never thought of that angle but maybe you have a point. Personally I always thought it was due to the laws of supply and demand: here in the States a man has to jump through a million hoops just to get a chance at some pussy (unless he pays for it), and for various reasons the "price" for a piece is always subject to ever-increasing inflation. In these other countries, however, a man can always get some on the side with no hassles if his lady isn't treating him right, and the women darn well know it. "Devalued" pussy does not make for an effective weapon/lure so the women usually have no choice but to step their game up a bit and drop the attitude.
BTW, the West Coast absolutely rocked for me (esp. San Diego). I can't wait to return one day.
Sinanju Master
09-13-05, 02:22
[QUOTE=Smut Villain]People still believe this shit? Damn, people are fucking ignorant!
Hey, that's NOTHING compared to what I heard from a buddy who went to basic training at the same military installation I did (Ft. Dix). He told me a guy in his platoon asked a drill sergeant with a honest, STRAIGHT FACE: "Drill sergeant, is it true that black people can run between raindrops"? When I heard that shit, I laffed so hard I almost pulled an abdominal muscle! Now THAT is ignorant!
I happened across a porn site featuring amature Aussie girls-since a couple people brought them up. PM me for it.
can someone tell me more about these scandinavian babes? how tall are they really? what type of guys do they prefer? would you marry one?
it's funny cause if any of you keep up with the reports from norway and sweden, you can see that those two countries are a hell of alot more feminist than america. for example, laws mandating that 40% of all top level executive positions be filled by women, calling for the elimination of marriage because it is "men enforcing slavery upon women", requesting that men sit down while they [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111), taxing the entire male sex because 1% of men are [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127). the list goes on.
i think american women were taught to hate men. it is so ingrained into their collective psyche that they dont even realize they blame men for all of their problems. so i wonder how super-feminist countries like norway and sweden escape this.
or maybe it goes back to the whole victorian attitudes that still havent dwindled away in anglo societies: that women's sexuality is virtually priceless, while men's sexuality is worthless. thus giving women power simply because they have vaginas.
also wanted to note that when i was about 19, i met a swedish girl in one of my classes. she was about 5'9'', thin, and blonde. she was the most kind girl i had ever met (in the us). she would go out of her way to help me. the only time she ever refused to assist me with anything was when she had a previous obligation, namely class.
i honestly didnt realize how special she was while she was still around. she had to go back to sweden because she was a "study abroad" student. she wrote me twice once she got home, but i didnt think much of it cause i figured i'd never be going to sweden anyway.
now i wish i had her back. she's probably got 3 kids by now though. oh well.
come to think of it, all of the foreign women i've met in the states have been good to me. from the fulbright scholar from belgium, to this swedish girl, to polish, russian and ukrainian women. it is a good thing living in an area with many immigrants.
my senior year of high school, we had an exchange student from i believe denmark. as i recall, and to my very young, socially stunted perception, she behaved remarkably like the bitchy, unapproachable "look at me, i'm the center of attention" american girls she fell into the popular clique with.
i really like the concept of devalued women's sexuality by the way. prior to reading things like this forum and some of the links that show up here, i never even thought about questioning the bullshit victorian construct that "being forced to sleep with a man who is not chosen as a lover, hurts a woman's precious delicate sexuality"-i'm referring to working as a prostitute, not [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), which although exploited and politicized is a crime of violence. yes, for example some women hate doing it, and have horrible screaming nightmares about it, but then i have them about my job once in a while too.
Chocha Monger
09-13-05, 06:16
tyhigs77,
scandinavian chicks tend to be pretty tall and slender, i have screwed some as tall as 5ft 10 in. as for their preferences, i'd say that they would fuck any foreign guy at least once. they tend to be very sexually curious and i have seen them hooking up with ruff looking rasta men in the caribbean. in fact, i have even heard that they pay these men for sex. would i marry one? hell no!
while swedish women don't hold back when it comes to sex and pussy on the first date seems to be the norm, they are hardcore feminist and not known for sexual fidelity. think of them as american women minus the bitchiness, obesity, sexual blackmail and greed. they tend to be very opinionated and stubborn, but at least their feminism is honest. men are not expected to pay for their meals on dates.
as can be expected, in any society where women seek to be as men certain problems arise. swedish chicks fuck around a lot just like the men do and i think this results in sex that is nowhere close to the hot passionate sex experienced with latinas. so you get easy but somewhat bland sex. i am not sure if it's due to the feminism but there are a lot bi-sexual and lesbian women. most swedish girls have tasted **** at least once.
what i am pretty sure is due to feminism, is that you'll find a lot of young women on anti-depressants undergoing therapy for recovered memories of being raped during childhood. i hesitate to believe that there are that many [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127) and ****s in such a sexually permissive society.
many of the youths have drug and alcohol problems, in spite of the fact that alcohol is so tightly regulated in sweden. the women don't really need to squeeze guys' nuts for cash as the socialist government gives them more than enough free handouts. they don't seem to actively hate men as in the us, but feminists are... well feminists.
CBGBConnisur
09-13-05, 15:28
Eastern European women in my experience are the best, it is true about Scandinavian women being opinionated and bitchy in the long run. I have friend who was married to a Swedish woman, and she was nice in the beginning but turned out to be a *****. Eastern European women grow up in cultures where they have less, and they are brought up with having less of an ego than in Western countries. They do things that most modern women in Western countries won't, its a behavior trait only found in Asian women these days.
Hey, don't forget about Dutch women. I found them to be as good looking as Scandinavian women, with the same body type, but did not have the bitchy attitude. It was easy to hook up with them.
During my recent trip to Europe, I canceled my plans to go to Paris and stayed in Amsterdam for an additional week because I was scoring so easily.
A friend of mine who went with me, who is 6'8", banged a Dutch chick who was 6'2". According to him, it was difficult for her to meet guys taller than she is and she was attracted to him essentially because of his height.
In my trips to Amsterdam, I did find it very easy to even score with Dutch chicks taller than me. I am a 5'5" Asian guy and I hooked up with a Dutch girl who was 6'1" because I have incredible athletic breakdancing and dance talent. She was with a group of friends and was the only attractive chick who didn't have a boyfriend in the group. Her friends took a liking to me and I got the "tribal approval" to join their group. When the night finished, I escorted her home and paid for just the cab ride to her place and it also costed me 2 drinks for her and that night I got some. The Dutch culture in itself is very liberal and accepting unlike the conservative and less tolerant big cities in the US. I guess it is because of the marijuana in the air they breathe that makes them jolly and sexually promiscous. I wish marijuana was legal here in the US!
As for Asian women, I find that most of them are good except the ones born in North America (US and Canada) and Hong Kong (they're just like big city American women but without the obesity).
CBGBConnisur
09-13-05, 19:18
Paris is a waste of time for a guy wanting pussy, its an expensive place to visit, and if you cannot speak the language, the women there who are very culture conscious will snub you like anything. The place is dirty too, I sat on subway over there a few years back and noticed some black soot on my shirt. On another note, I successfully obtained permanent residency in Australia so now I never have to return to the sexually repressed USA. I get a whopping 8 weeks off a year that gives me the time to see the world versus a measly 2 back in the States.
"The reason why pros and nonpros might be better in these areas are complicated, usually I think its more due to the fact that feminism and women's liberation is weaker in these places, there is also less economic activity and opportunity so women might be more eager to enter sex work than in the States." (posted by CBGB)
I'd disagree with statement as far as Norway, based on my experience of living there. This is possibly the most feminist, and women liberated country in the world. Women have so many rights it is almost laughable. Fully paid child-care, full health benefits, government covered trips to the Canary Islands to recover from rheumatism. Tons of family leave vacation, and payments, if your child is sick, etc. Most women have wages equal to men for the occupation. To be fair men have some pretty good benefits as well-- although the tax rate is extremely high. The government pays for much this off its oil revenue, plus the small population of the country.
Despite its feminist, highly educated, women, most of you guys would love Norway if you visit from the USA. The women all incredibly beautiful-- tall, blonde, and smoking hot. Most are very open to one night stands, and have fun personalities. The sex is always good. Most love to drink and party.
This creates and interesting question-- why are feminist Norwegian women beautiful, sexy, like to flirt, have warm personalites, and are not conceited, while American women are very often fat, stuck-up, and very full of attitude? Both are quite feminist.
My best thought would be:
1. Eastern Euro women have given Norwegian women much competition in the dating game. Therefore Norwegian women have no opportunity to get stuck-up or the guys head for Russia, Poland, Estonia, etc.
2. Victorian, puritanical values don't really exist here.
3. Men are just much more chauvinistic here then in the USA, maybe its the Viking blood. The truth is the men and women are generally happier for it. This issue is kind of complicated, because while women are very feminist, stong gender roles still exist in my opinion. Men enjoy behaving like caveman, and women have fun playing the role of sex kitten.
4. The average Norwegian women are just so much more healthy, lean and sexy, so obviously they are going to be a lot of fun, and enjoy sex.
Would I marry a Norwegian women-- yes.
just some random thoughts,
stay cool,
nb
CBGBConnisur
09-14-05, 16:41
Like I said economics is less of motivation in these countries since key needs are handed to these women by the government.
NB, you should deal with some of the Bit*ches I have dealt with in New York and you will know what I am talking about. Australians come from the same Victorian society as most Americans and Canadians, but brothels and RLDs are a common fixture in most major urban areas down under. There is even a brothel traded on the stock market here.
There is even a brothel traded on the stock market here.
Don't invest in that stock. It's in a bare market.
Swede Thing
09-14-05, 19:33
Tyhigs77,
Scandinavian chicks tend to be pretty tall and slender...Most Swedish girls have tasted **** at least once. They don't seem to actively hate men as in the US, but feminists are, well, feminists.A lot of prejudices in your views I must say. Living in Sweden I can tell that most woman will not go to bed with you on first date but you have no trouble finding one that will if you want to. Go out and party and look at the lady next to you when the bar closes and see what might happen.
About the feminist thing I can say that right now there started a feminist political party. The have som funny persons and ideas. They want to ban marriage and also claims that a woman who live with a man is a sex traitor. I dont think they will last very long. They get a lot of media attention as media is obsessed with feminism just as the political class. The more coverage they get the worse for them. Everyone can see that they are nut cases.
I sometimes wonder if American women realize that part of the reason why the divorce rate is so high in the US has to do with their attitude and the way they treat their men.
When a guy goes home, after a hard day's work, and finds a lazy, obese, uncaring woman who continually bitches about everything and rations out the sex like it is a reward to be given for good behaviour, it is a sure-fire recipe for making sure that her guy will look for action and consolation elsewhere.
CBGBConnisur
09-14-05, 22:24
Speaking of bare, there are plenty of bare breasts on Bondi beach. Recently riding on the monorail in Sydney I saw two Australian blondes making out with each other, they were bisexual(not the man hating bull dykes found in the USA/Canadashithole, still a few bulldykes exist in Ozzie but most of them get disgusted with the redneck mentality here so they go to faggoty little England like Germaine Greer), and saw me noticing them and they got wilder, it was a nice show. Australian guys complain about the women here but they are a bunch of spoiled fuckwits. Why? They get cheap airfare to Thailand and other parts of Asia where they can get away with treating women like human doormats for a 20 dolla!!! So their standards are much higher than North Americans. One of my old girlfriends here, she used to do my laundry for me, wash dishes, and fill up the ice cube trays because I don't have an automatic one(actually I do its just sarcasm), clean up the house, things that most American women are too good to do because they are above manual labor.
Long Stroker
09-15-05, 02:24
Okay guys, I just received some big news, and I could to really use some perspective on it, possibly from people who have been there before.
For most of the summer, I have been dating a very cute college student from Russia. She is in the United States on a summer work visa. She is a language student from a university in Russia. We have had a great summer, she is a lot of fun, and the sex has been incredible.
Well, summer is over, and now it's time for her to go back to school, but, as you may have guessed by now, she doesn't want to. She told me just today of her intent to stay in this country for at least a year. She knows that getting a visa will be a big problem, and it sounds to me like in her mind she is prepared to stay illegally if necessary. Where I live in the United States, there is annually a large contingent of foreign students that come from Russia and other countries in that part of the world. From what I understand, it is rather common for a small percentage of them to stay in this country after their work visas end. (And with US immigration policy being what it is these days –i.e. Mexico- from a legal aspect, it doesn't seem to be a big problem for them.)
What I’m mainly concerned about is the legal aspect for me, and the personal aspect for her. We have not exchanged “I love you’s”, but I'm pretty sure that's how she feels. I'm afraid I can't say the same about her, although I do care for her deeply. When I asked her why she came to this decision, she told me that I was a part of the reason. But more significantly, she said, she really just doesn't want to go back to her country. She has talked with friends through e-mail, who have already returned, and they tell her of the despair they feel upon returning to Russia, how they miss the United States and the lives they had there. One theme she consistently hits upon is the lack of freedom for her and her female friends in Russia. She tells me that in America, she can do whatever she wants, go to the clubs, spend the night with her boyfriend without society or her parents, giving her shit about it. I know this is a somewhat simplistic outlook, I'm just trying to explain where her mind is. From where she sits, right now, her life in the United States is better than it ever was in Russia, probably with or without me.
At this time she is working at a restaurant at the oceanfront and seems reasonably content with the work and the people she works with. Some of her Russian friends have tried to talk her out of this idea by asking her what will she do in America for work. To work in a restaurant or be a housekeeper forever? She is aware of this quandary, but in her youthful outlook (she’s 20) she chooses to see only the great potential for life in the United States. Her English is okay, but it's not great by any means, and I doubt that she could pass the language exam for university here.
When we first met back in June, I thought what a great situation this was: a relationship with a predetermined end-date! Three months of sexual bliss, a tearful farewell kiss at the airport, and then back to my normal life. Certainly, I was not expecting this. As a seasonal romance, it could not have been better. Three months is about my limit for relationships anyway. She is a great girl, but not in a marriage sense, and certainly not at this point in my life (I’m 29). So for her to tell me that she wants to stay now is totally fucking things up. She hasn't told her parents yet, and the flight she was scheduled to take back to Russia is still three weeks away. Of course, I feel bad because she is dropping out of school to stay in the United States. Would she have made the same decision if I were not in the picture? Hard to say.
So now for the questions: What to do? Should I break-up with her now in the hopes that her sorrow will drive her home into the arms of her friends and family? Should I count my blessings and enjoy this lovely girl and delicious piece of ass to keep me warm this winter? Should I be concerned about being in a sexual relationship with a potential illegal alien? On this note, I should tell you that we are not, nor do we have any plans, to live together. Along those lines, what rights do non-citizens have concerning paternity and other domestic issues? I'm extremely careful during sex, rubbers every time, but God forbid, if she should become pregnant, would the paternity burden be placed on me by the state, just like with a citizen? (I really don't get the feeling that she is deceitful and would try to get pregnant intentionally, but then again, true deceit is by its very definition difficult to determine. Nonetheless, my sperm goes down the toilet every time.)
Above all, I don't want to be caught in any legal trap, nor do I want to be the cause of this sweet girl ruining her life.
Anybody been here before?
Any and all responses welcome, however incendiary.
Sinanju Master
09-15-05, 02:57
Dude, I wish I were in your situation, but with the climate as it is today, you could be facing some serious trouble by harboring an illegal alien. The words "Patriot Act' would be more than enough to discourage me from continuing with that situation. I don't wanna seem cynical, but her story struck me as suspicious. LOTS of Russian honeys end up back in the Motherland and tough it out in the conditions you described. Why did she not mention the possibility of renewing her visa or something similar along those lines? She already has a contact in the US (you) therefore, some of the groundwork is already laid out if you wanna bring her back. I'm not chiding you, but I think this magnificent piece of ass has slightly clouded your judgement and you may be on the road to being replaced IF you were successful in legally getting her to stay longer. Beware of the Dark Side, young padawan!
Long Stroker
09-15-05, 03:11
That's the thing, SM, I don't believe that I am harboring her, at least in the legal sense of the word. As I said, she's not living with me - she pays rent at her apartment at the oceanfront. I'm just boning her, she spends the night at my place maybe once a week. Also, she is first trying to legally stay here, I only mentioned her illegally overstaying her visa as a possible scenario. She has not asked me for help in extending her visa, nor would I offer it if she did. Like I said, I'm not looking for any legal entanglements for me, nor am I even remotely considering marriage.
A) Rubbers are not a long term birth control solution as the effectiveness rate is just not that high even when used conscientiously and properly. At least 10% failure rate over a one year period, I think is what you can expect.
B) You get her pregnant, your life is ruined. Paternity laws vary by state but in most cases you will be on the hook for child support even if she gets thrown out of the country.
C) You say she is not marriage material.
D) Break up now to avoid any semblance of culpability in this decision that she has to make for herself.
Your legal culpability is zero if she overstays but that ain't the point. She is exhibiting typical illogical and dangerous chica thinking and so must be cut from the program.
Best of luck to you.
A factor that I have been considering in the causation of problematic behavior if AW is their treatment in childhood. From what I have seen and heard, in most other countries , sons are revered, favored, and viewed as an asset. Daughters conversely, are TOLERATED, and viewed as a liability (in some cases this can be extreme like China, where I understand, female newborns are sometimes killed). Conversely, here in the US, we seem to have a mentality of "Daddies little princess", where girls start learning around age 3 or so that they can manipulate Daddy (and by proxy all men) into giving them anything that they want simply by virtue of being female. They learn it, they know it, and they come to expect the world (as provided by men) to revolve around their desires.
Sorry LS, I've got nothing. One thing that may be interesting is for you to assert that you might go back to Russia with her. This may provide additional insight into the situation.
Chocha Monger
09-15-05, 08:34
LS,
If you were to knock up this incredibly hot piece of Russian ass, the law would be equally harsh in your judgement regardless of her being a non-citizen or citizen. There is no discrimination in the eyes of the law when it comes to paternity. The child would be a U.S. citizen and the judge would make sure that his/her rights to child support are respected. Your child support payments would be quite hefty if the mother were to enter illegal immigrant status because then she cannot legally work in the country. Therefore the court would hold you liable for 100% of support. The age difference and her legal status would encourage a female judge to burn your ass for being what she would consider a predatory male taking advantage of young naive foreign pussy.
How would a pregnancy affect her situation? It would help her a lot, since she would be able to claim considerable hardship to herself and her child if deported. Even if a hard-ass immigration judge were to order her deportation after the child was born, the child being a U.S. citizen cannot be deported leaving you potentially as a single father.
At the moment you're way ahead of the game. There is no pregnancy. However, if you continue ponying her things can change really fast. She has the means and the motive. Maybe, you might want to help her see the big picture. She can go home when her time is up demonstrating to the U.S. government that she respects its laws and by doing so greatly increase her odds of getting a visa to visit or work in the future. Or she can over stay her visa and become a fugitive from the law condemned to doing menial jobs in the underground economy.
From what you've posted it seems that she has already made her mind up to live the life of a party girl. She probably knows that it wouldn't be hard to find a sucker to marry her and have her status adjusted even after becoming an illegal alien. Many young women use that scam to get around immigration laws each year and that is exactly why U.S. embassies almost never grant visas to single women under 40 yrs of age.
It appears that you have your head (the big one) on your shoulders and will not be drawn into her plan to break the law. As long as you do not harbor her or aid her in anyway if she becomes an illegal then you should be fine. Whether you choose to continue enjoying her pussy with a calculated risk or to part company is entirely up to you. My guess is that she will move on anyway if you don't extend an offer of marriage.
CBGBConnisur
09-15-05, 18:15
LS, you should talk to an immigration lawyer to get some advice, that's the best place to get your answers. Obviously with the current climate harboring an illegal can you get you into a lot of trouble. I don't live in the USA anymore so I couldn't give you any direct advice. My hunch is that she might be trying to pull something on you, I remember a Bulgarian woman I met was real friendly but I began to suspect she was looking for a guy to snag a green card off of.
Also, she is first trying to legally stay here, I only mentioned her illegally overstaying her visa as a possible scenario. She has not asked me for help in extending her visa, nor would I offer it if she did. IMO, she is looking for a marriage partner so that she can legalize her status. She may want to do so with you - if she can work her way to achieving that end - but if not, she would look to hook up with another American guy who can give her what she wants.
They learn it, they know it, and they come to expect the world (as provided by men) to revolve around their desires.I don't know about the learning it from childhood bit, but I'd agree that because of cultural swings that have taken place in the US over the past 40 years ago or so, a sense of entitlement has developed among AW. The worst part of it is that American men and society as a whole has pandered to this so that at this point it is almost out of control.
Watch any talk show - Dr Phil, Oprah, etc - and you will find that the guy in the "wrong" is beaten up by the host and the audience consisting of almost all women. The host has to pander to audience. If the person being dumped on is a woman, it can only happen if the person is just egregiously at fault.
If there is violence against a woman by her signficant other, the perpertrator is put through the wringer. But let it be a reversal of roles and you have all this sympathy being shown for the woman who killed her spouse because she was emotionally abused or was suffering depression or some other rationalization.
A female teacher who gets sexually involved with a male student is school, is treated as confused, depressed, having problems, etc to explain away her actions. A male teacher who does the same thing with a female student is treated as one of the vilest creatures that ever lived and can be sure that he will be going to jail for a long time!
But the reality is that men have played a big role in allowing this situation to occur and not fighting back.
Sinanju Master
09-15-05, 20:50
LS,
At least it seems that you are not hopelessly ensnared in her tentacles. Do research into the options spelled out by CBGB and said immigration lawyer can advise you best. Be up front (but tactful) in telling the lawyer about your relationship with this chick. I'm sure he or she can deduce that this Russian honey turned your loins into Vesuvius, so, you need not go that far into detail. If you're successful getting her into the U.S. the REAL test will come when she lets her guard down after feeling that she's completed all the hurdles. Will she or will she NOT lavish attention upon you as much as she did in the earlier stages of your relationship? When I was younger and living overseas, I saw the tragic result of such chicanery perpetrated upon young soldiers by hot chicas who made GIs feel as if they were the center of the universe. Be mindful of your feelings, young padawan....
CBGBConnisur
09-15-05, 22:39
A situation like this happened to me about 6 years ago, I met a beautiful Russian brunette, who fawned all over me, it was too good to be true because at that time I could never get a woman like that. I found out the hard way that she had a boyfriend and was just looking to get legal status to stay in the US, I spied on her and found out, it was emotionally stressful. I suggest you really check her out real good, her background and everything to avoid a major headache. Something like this repeated itself just last fall when I met a Bulgarian woman, she was looking to go to the US and needed a way in, through yours truly. Anyway its your call, you make the decision but think it through, try to get to know her better.
Long Stroker, it sounds like you’ve gotten yourself into a quandary there. I went through something similar when I had just turned 28 (5.5 years ago). I met a fine piece of Argentinean ass with whom I got to spend a few months of sexual bliss thinking and hoping it would go on forever. To make a long story short, we met when she had approx. 1 month left of her visa. Being from Argentina, she didn’t need a visa to travel to the U.S. at the time (this changed in early 2002) since her passport was automatically stamped for a three month stay. The disadvantage of this was that she couldn’t extend her stay because technically she didn’t have a visa and if she left the country, she couldn’t re-enter for 10 years.
She was working in a restaurant and living with some friends who were under similar circumstances. I made a lot of mistakes, so I’m not going to mention them all, but one of them was to have accepted, after being put on the spot, to do something about her legal situation. She overstayed her visa and eventually ended-up moving in with me. Like you, I was in 7th heaven and how better so than being in an oasis within Sex Prison, USA without the costs, hurdles and time constraints of traveling overseas?
I was determined not to give this piece of ass up. Big mistake! To wrap-up my story, we eventually got married, applied for her Green Card, had to wait some extra time because of the events of 9-11 all along having to put up with her changing ways. She became Americanized, the sex became less and less frequent, not to mention less and less good and she knew that she had me by the balls. The good thing was that we didn’t have any children and when the dust settled, we separated, headed different ways and eventually got divorced.
Even though every situation is unique and different in its own way, unfortunately the risks of things recurring in similar fashion are extremely high (and likely). A few fellow mongers made some excellent recommendations here. I would definitely suggest you travel to Russia, with or without her (if she overstays her visa), and visit her family to get a better understanding of who she really is as opposed to taking her word alone. This way you should gain insight as to who and how her family is, where she grew up at or lived at before heading to the U.S. You get to talk to her friends and neighbors and hope to get a lot of info from them. This might also help because if later down the road she starts bringing stuff up to you, you would know better from having been there and seen things for yourself, firsthand. Shit like “oh, I used to live like a queen” and “I had everything I wanted” or “I was such a model person...” This way you can also make a decision as to whether you would want to marry her or not.
Not to mention that you get to do some mongering on the side while you’re there…je..je.je.……
Long Stroker, from what you mentioned the reason why she doesn’t want to go back seems more economical than sentimental. This, is usually the case, and unfortunately for you (sentimental-wise) if you don’t come through for her, she will definitely find someone else who would. I would walk away if I were you. The mongers Ahornyguy, Chocha Monger, SM and CBGBConnisur are right and my gut instinct tells me the same thing!!
Chocha Monger
09-16-05, 07:52
"I want...I want...I want!" Yep typical AW bullshit. She must be a real dog if she can't show her face on the web site. You see she KNOWS if guys saw her fat ugly ass in a photo they would never respond to her ad. She is using the trick of a "photo swap" to get guys to send her their photos. If the guy is not a real "stud" then she can diss him without exposing herself as a fat whale or mangy dog. It's a sure bet that she has no intention of sending a photo of herself after the guy has sent his.
All the AWs online are either fat, ugly or psycho. Average women in this country get so many cock offers on a daily basis that they don't have to go online to look for cock unless something is seriously wrong with them. I have found this to be true from personal experience as well as that of friends. Once this chick saw my photo and wanted to meet me but she didn't have a photo. Danger Will Robinson! When she showed up she was fat and ugly, nothing like her description on the site. I am not a mean guy but I could stop myself from laughing in this chick's face. What was she thinking? That she would somehow get around her appearance by meeting me in person?
Another psycho net slot bit up a friend of mine like Hannibal Lector and then tried to kill herself when he tried to leave her. After that I gave up internet dating in the US. It is not worth it. Oh by the way, while the psycho ho was biting chunks out of my buddy she threated to call the cops and accuse him of assualt if he retaliated. That is something you should think about before posting your profile on a dating site. She might still be out there.
I once arranged with this woman to meet after talking on a prominent dating site. She described herself as 38 with big tits and looking like Dolly Parton (I was picturing Dolly Parton in the eighties like when she made a stupid movie with Sly Stalone)
The THING that showed up to meet me didn't look like Dolly Parton. In fact, I'm not entirely sure that whatever it was quite qualified as human. She was just like this vaguely triangle shaped amorphous mass who.....get this.....had like a nervous tic.....some kind of neurophysiological issue obviously. I can honestly say that I have seen better looking bag ladies than this woman. Regarding being 38, I'm guessing that 53 was more accurate (I was about 30 at the time). I did notice that she waited until I said I was drunk to actually meet with me......like my drunken lack of inhibition was going to cause me to hit THAT. I'd hope to puke and die of blood alcohol poisoning first.
All that being said however, I did once meet a nice girl off of c-list personals (the non sexual type-that probably helped things). We didn't hit it off, but she sent me an accurate photo (actually she looked better than the photo), was young (24), sort of pretty, height weight proportionate, no obvious mental or neurophysiological issues.....hardly a nightmare at least
CBGBConnisur
09-16-05, 15:50
Internet dating doesn't seem to work well outside of North America, if you want to get laid, go to a pub, night club, or a good beach on a nice day(at least in Ozzie and certain parts of Europe, Spain and Italy).
Sinanju Master
09-16-05, 21:56
I remember quite a while back, seeing a t-shirt with a saying that pretty much describes AW's attitudes. I don't know if this is VERBATIM but the saying was very close to the following words:
"I want a tiger in the bedroom, a jaguar in my garage, a mink around my shoulders and a ******* to pay for it all".
And they WONDER why they can't get "nice guys" as it was bemoaned in the quote in Marak5's post.
Doctor_Skank
09-16-05, 22:21
Although American, I havent actively dated or pursued American women since my college years... nor am I currently living there... but dont remember the women being that bad. The way you describe it, it sounds fucking horrible! Is it really THAT bad?
A lot of the mongers have posted that when foreign girls move to the states they soon adopt the bad habits of AWs, suggesting it is the environment that determines the girls behavior. The environment is the economy. Hollywood brainwashing. America’s latent pseudo-puritanical values. And the men that pursue the women. Us.
Russian women love dominant “real” men.
Asian women are submissive and giving.
European women are not afraid of their sexuality.
Hispanic women are unbridled honest passion.
The list goes on.
So what are American men doing wrong so that their women are so out of control?
Would you be so good as to put up a picture of a hot Russian girl when you post? I know you have lots of them!
The answer to your query is complex-we have walked in circles around it several times on this forum.
Part of the problem is that unlike the other parts of the world you mentioned, due to the moratorium on prostitution, American Women have a monopoly on pussy. They know it, and act accordingly.
American women also love "real men", and will in fact, live or die for them. However, due to some American complex social and cultural, and media conditioning or whatever they almost exclusively percieve those traits of a "real man" in self involved, job losing, wife beating, alcoholic, "bad boy loser" type guys who keep them involved in ever so entertaining "chaos"
30 years of feminism have destroyed what used to be a reasonably equitable arangement between men and women. Previously, women were subordinate and but didn't have responsibilities aside from maintaining the household-they were kept and protected and got what they wanted through manipulation(men rule the world-women rule the men). Men conversely were dominant, but also had responsibility for providing for the family unit. Now, in addition to all privleges previously allocated to women, they now have expectations of dominance in the relationship, without giving up any of the privleges they previously were privy to.
American media and culture continually denigrate men, and encourage their mistreatment-they are the butt of jokes and portrayed as brutish bufoons. I believe the "niceguy forum"'s originator made the point that the things that are said about men on a daily basis, even on the evening news "as a joke" would cause riots in the streets if they were used to indicate any other group of people.
Inequitable divorce laws have turned the institution of marriage into a big "lottery ticket" for American women. American women are now aware that all that they have to do to make it through life in relative comfort is find a "schlub" with some degree of income and wealth, spread her legs for him, squeeze out a couple of munchkins, and she can relegate him to living in poverty so that he can maintain her comfort after the divorce (she gets the house)
I think that I hit all of the big ones here.
Bart
feminist’s dilemma
by aviva ariel, alternet. posted august 31, 2005.
does allowing a man to open a car door or to slide out a chair at a restaurant perpetuate sexism?
feminists, i've come to understand, are very much like boats: they come in all shapes and sizes, each with their own preferences and peeves in the vast, rocky waters of life. and it has been my recognition of this diversity that has allowed me to feel comfortable with my own sort of make-it-up-as-i-go-because-i'm-way-too-young-to-know-all-the-answers version.
it wasn't until this summer, however, as i was living on a small catamaran with 11 other teens working on community service projects in the british virgin islands (bvi), that i realized my indecision on certain feminist issues could, well, leave me out to sea. i had ventured out on the trip in the spirit of wanting to help others, but it is my impression that i might have been the one who needed the real help.
throughout my education on feminism (one that could hardly fit into a course on a sea-mester), i have heard about what my grandmother calls "hardcore feminists" -- those who believe that allowing a man to open the car door or slide out your chair (under the guise of being a gentleman, of course) only perpetuates the sexist mentality of the opposite sex. for years, i've struggled to determine where i stand on this position, and just like a young sailor attempting to verify some truth in the story of black beard, i was unable to settle on a conclusion.
throughout the first days of the program in the bvi, with my enthusiasm stronger than the sun over saint thomas, it became apparent that my inability to clarify the unmapped line between courtesy and patronization would be even more important to me on the trip than staying hydrated in the heat.
the first time we attempted to raise the sail, i leapt up, ready to pull lines and tug ropes until my muscles hurt worse than my skin after a day without spf 60, but after multiple unsuccessful attempts, i was not-so-subtly nudged off the line by one of the boys. i stood looking at my male replacement, half-angered but mostly bewildered, and wondered if i had just been voted off the island of strength early in the game. or did he simply think that i, like the majority of the girls on the boat, would prefer to lie out tanning while the real men did all the work? (really though, i would hardly call a bunch of skinny, white 17-year-old boys from the suburbs "men.")
despite my unease, it wasn't until the next morning, when we had to pull up the anchor, that the impact of my uncertainty about seemingly courteous acts from the opposite sex became clearer than the water surrounding us. i eagerly offered to help, pulling on my personal floatation device with the zest of a sailor about to discover hidden treasures, but was kindly told by another male shipmate that i could just sit and watch. so again i observed the action, this time the blood rushing through my body to the beat of my own angry little steel drum band. as four of the boys tugged our boat free, i couldn't help but wonder whether this was a simple act of kindness or a subtle slap in my feminist face.
as the trip continued, i considered my interactions with the boys of the ship and found that, with regard to the notion that women should never accept help from men, the attraction was stronger than the seagulls' to the food on our boat. i began to see dan's assistance as we tied up the dinghies as a sort of silent move to prove his male dominance. and even andrew's support while i made dinner one night seemed to mean he found me too incompetent to light the stove or thoroughly cook the meat on my own. i was overwhelmed by a feeling that i was being undermined by the boys, like the captain of a crew about to mutiny.
looking back, i'd like to say it was too much sun or lack of sleep that made me unreasonably judgmental. now, in my landlocked home in good ole ohio, it seems impossible to me that the boys' assistance as i got off the boat could have been a sign of their lack of faith in my abilities as a woman -- lord knows my little legs couldn't have made that big jump alone without risking an unwanted dive into the ocean.
i think it was my insecurities, however, that pushed me to group all polite moves as chauvinistic. sometimes it's hard to gauge the motivations of overly gracious guys (hell, even the meaning behind a simple 'hey' from a boy can be difficult to decipher), so it would undoubtedly be easier to consistently refuse all commonly encountered courtesies.
although i thought i would no longer have to worry about the true man behind the manners by denying all ambiguous interactions, it has become evident to me that being a strong female is more about trusting yourself than overanalyzing kindness. if a man's attempted politeness feels degrading or condescending, i'll speak up faster than the program director after seeing kids breaking the rules onshore, but i don't believe allowing a man to open my door will ever make me less of a tough teen.
despite the fact that i'll never know their real intentions, in the end i've realized that the boys on my trip could've offered their help simply because they felt overly friendly. i mean, who can resist a spunky little redhead? and if they weren't just being friendly, i just spent three weeks being pampered by my pubescent peers while living in the caribbean. either way, i am now officially the most relaxed teenage feminist in the world, and just as empowered as ever.
CBGBConnisur
09-17-05, 03:30
I have recently discovered that Australia is the most coveted destination for women from the Eastern bloc. Tell a lady you live in Australia and her eyes light up, the scenery and more pleasant climate versus Artic Europe is a major factor. Around both Melbourne and Sydney, I have ran into sizable numbers of women from Russia and elsewhere from the former Soviet Union.
New Bound mentioned that Norwegian women are very feminist but are still more entertaining than AWs and far more attractive. While I wouldn't consider Ozzie women to be as feminist as Scandinavians, they are independent to a degree but a lot of guys I have met here are quite chauvinistic towards them, and like Norwegians who can run off to Eastern Europe, Australian guys can run off to the Phillipines, Thailand, Malaysia, or any other Asian hotspot for meeting women, and they do this quite a bit, which seems to "soften" up the ladies here. There have been some naysayers about Australia, but my batting average is much higher here than back in the US, with women at least.
It probably goes something like this:
Puritanism --> women less likely to put out.
Women less likely to put out --> makes men desperate.
Desperate men --> trying to "please" women.
"pleasing" women --> men become male-vaginas.
Male-vaginas--> entitlement princesses.
I was listening to Love Lines on the way home from work the other night. Adam Carolla was busting on a girl for her "bad boy loser" fetish. He essentially told her...."yea, cut off this guy's supply of pussy, and you'll see how BAD he actually is.....before you know it, he'll be at your front door holding flowers, kissing your ass, and calling your Father 'sir' ".........."Yea, the next time I hear from a girl 'He's the greatest guy in the world but (he doesn't turn me on)'....I just want you to go out and give him some pussy. He deserves it."
Too Funny. And very true.
Long Stroker
09-17-05, 14:44
Thanks for all of the repsonses, guys. I knew I could expect some good feedback here.
A lot of times in life it seems you know in your mind the proper course of action to take - the only real challenge is forcing yourself to do it. So, I will talk to her again, tell her that I think her staying here in the U.S. is a bad idea for a number of reasons. I will tell her that I think she needs to go back to her city, back to university where she belongs, and that if she chooses to stay here, I can no longer be a part of her life.
I'll let you guys know what happens.
P.S. - On the Westernization of her attutide:
It's already starting to happen. Nothing serious yet; she hasn't turned into a raving b*tch or anything. But over the last few months, I have seen the demure, passive girl I met in May gradually grow in self-confidence, fueled by the power and promise of her new surroundings. It has been an amazing and bittersweet thing to witness. Mostly bittersweet, however, because we all know how these stories end. Once she becomes fully westernized, of course, the girl I knew will be gone.
Sinanju Master
09-17-05, 15:40
I'm not against anyone gaining confidence in themselves, LS, but from your post, it seems that HER newfound confidence came from the fact that she felt she may have got you to do her bidding. Thankfully, that was averted. Even the BEST of actresses will eventually drop their guard and expose a fraction of their agenda. If she TRULY wanted to be with YOU ALONE, she would have busted her ass and researched her options instead of pouting in front of you (for your sake) and lamenting the fact that she needed a knight in shining armor to come to her rescue. If you had taken the path without seeking counsel, forever would it have ruled your destiny!
A friend of mine (we are not American) told me that when he was in US he saw many times men accept women point of vue just to be nice with them.
I don't know your country enough, but if I was asked what I think about that, I would say you Americans are too consensual.
Maybe that's the effects of "politically correct".
In my opinion women (not only AW in fact) with men are like childs with parents : they test the limits of authority ... and everybody knows how behave a child wich had weak parents.
I think feminism is killing men / women relationships. I see it in my country too : you can't watch TV, read magasines etc ... without being told how men are bad.
I consider it as a kind of racism ...
What I do ? I just behave normally and don't care about what people and women think.
I don't want to be a woman's toy just to get laid.
So I fuck less, but I have the satisfaction to keep my integrity toward myself.
Sorry for my poor english ;)
A friend of mine (we are not American) told me that when he was in US he saw many times men accept women point of vue just to be nice with them.
I don't know your country enough, but if I was asked what I think about that, I would say you Americans are too consensual.
Maybe that's the effects of "politically correct".
In my opinion women (not only AW in fact) with men are like childs with parents : they test the limits of authority ... and everybody knows how behave a child wich had weak parents.
I think feminism is killing men / women relationships. I see it in my country too : you can't watch TV, read magasines etc ... without being told how men are bad.
I consider it as a kind of racism ...
What I do ? I just behave normally and don't care about what people and women think.
I don't want to be a woman's toy just to get laid.
So I fuck less, but I have the satisfaction to keep my integrity toward myself.
Sorry for my poor english ;)It would be helpful if you told us which country you are from, so we can avoid going there. So what country is your country? And how come people always say my country instead fo the country's name, prompting me to ask a redundant question?
For those of you who have had enough of AW crap (I know I have), there is a major European airline that is having a very nice fare sale. I personally am flying from Chicago to Dublin (hint hint), where I will grab a connecting flight to Prague. ORD to DUB is costing me a whopping $355.58. Not bad. Those of you who can't figure out the airline (I don't want to post a commercial endorsement-not sure if it's against the rules or not), PM me.
Jaimito Cartero
09-17-05, 20:38
For those of you who have had enough of AW crap (I know I have), there is a major European airline that is having a very nice fare sale. I personally am flying from Chicago to Dublin (hint hint), where I will grab a connecting flight to Prague. ORD to DUB is costing me a whopping $355.58. Not bad. Those of you who can't figure out the airline (I don't want to post a commercial endorsement-not sure if it's against the rules or not), PM me.
I don´t think there´s a problem mentioning American Airlines, as long as you´re not spamming everyone about it.
For those of you who have had enough of AW crap (I know I have), there is a major European airline that is having a very nice fare sale. I personally am flying from Chicago to Dublin (hint hint), where I will grab a connecting flight to Prague. ORD to DUB is costing me a whopping $355.58. Not bad. Those of you who can't figure out the airline (I don't want to post a commercial endorsement-not sure if it's against the rules or not), PM me.
US ---> IRL is about 10-12 hrs flight
IRL ---> CZ is about 3 hrs flight
It's a bit long unless you stay there for a week at least.
Isn't Mexico better for you Americans ? Or even in your town : if you add plane ticket + hotel that's minimum 600$ that you could spend with escorts.
Long Stroker
09-17-05, 23:27
Isn't Mexico better for you Americans ? Or even in your town : if you add plane ticket + hotel that's minimum 600$ that you could spend with escorts.
That's true Zap, but even the escorts here have a bad attitude. Pay $300 for a mechanical fuck? I'd rather beat off to some good porn and save the money for a plane ticket to somewhere else.
Also, Zap, you're absolutely right about "feminism ... killing men / women relationships." Even with things as bad as they are today in the U.S., I don't think we've seen the worst of it. You have to ask youself - where will it all end?
With the social uprest that comes when large groups of males are deprived of mates and families and the responsibilities that come with them?
(See: China in 15 years)
With President Clinton (Chelsea Clinton, following in her mother's footsteps to become the 2nd female U.S. president) calling for extension of existing hate-crime legislation to include the crimes of talking back to your wife, or - even worse - not listening to her at all?
I agree with Z 100%. I don't know homw many of you guys have noticed, but over the past 10 years or so, the TV programs and some movies are based on men being idiots! The TV commercials re the worst. They consitently have the man being an idiot and the owmen showing him how to do things right.
For example; the Dish Network ad with the husband holding the receiver like an idiot, the ad for window blinds with the man messing up the barbeque, the car insurance ad where the newly married couple is movong into a new house and ALL the guy's stuff is going in the garbage because the new wife doesn't approve of it, the movie the 40 year-old virgin, etc. I could go on but you get the idea. We men are horrendously portrayed in the media these days. Shows like the Cosby "Huxtables" where the husband and wife are equals are out the window now. Now it is the wives are superior and husbands are lame brained, incompetent, idiots.
And AW see this and expect us to be behaving just ike that.
I think feminism is killing men / women relationships. I see it in my country too : you can't watch TV, read magasines etc ... without being told how men are bad.
I consider it as a kind of racism ...
Sorry for my poor english ;)
Doctor_Skank
09-18-05, 02:01
b9000:
being too good will definitely tor**** your image, applied goodness goes a long way to getting her hooked on you. but yes, most girls do like to be bossed around a bit, provided its not violent. they like to be reminded who is the man. the classic "lady on the street and a ho in the bed"
in america i'm described as a chauvenist if i say that. elsewhere it has yielded "more than satisfactory" results.
i've been both good guy and bad guy and honestly speaking, i get laid much more often being bad.
as for tv portrayal of men, guys are almost always a goon... married with children, simpsons etc. loser white guy earning lower middle class wages. there are dozens of other sitcoms with loser men, especially husbands and fathers...
Sinanju Master
09-18-05, 05:17
ZAP, why in the HELL would I spend $600+ on an American hooker when my own HAND or a CADAVER would provide a BETTER experience for LESS?? Add that to the fact that I'll soon be able to taste more palatable foreign "cuisine" more often and you will see why AW's are like dinosaurs 65 million years ago. I've seen the ads of some of these American escorts and they would have you believe that THEY are what's waiting once you pass the pearly gates! If THAT were the case, maybe a "HOTTER" environment wouldn't be so bad....
Doc,
I am absolutely in favor of being powerful, dominant, and masculine. A man should act like a man. I'm also highly in favor of "fucking with" girls a little bit, as this keeps them in line. However, I'm not in favor of being a useless piece of shit (can't hold a job, woman beating, drug dealing, alcoholic), which is what many AW seem to prefer (they will use "nice guys" as a safety blanket, but these are the guys who make them wet). I know a reasonably bright, fairly attractive girl who has been doing "make up/break up" for 7 years with a guy who is taking up oxygen the rest of us could be breathing. When she was 24 and must have been smoking hot (pretty face, big tits), she could have had any man that she wanted, but chose him.
Zap-First of all, your estimates of travel time are WAY over. Chicago to Dublin should be about six hours, with Prague another three. Frankfurt is about 8 hours, with Prague another hour. But that isn't the point. I am actually only a 3-4 hour drive away from Windsor Canada where prostitution is legal. I could certainly go there an purchase sex, and I am sure that it would be....OK.
However, this doesn't even begin to compare what my life is like in Eastern Europe. Relative to what I have at home, I am living like Hugh Hefner/Mick Jagger. I have had gorgeous 20 year old girls (she was selling roasted walnuts at a stand in the tourist section of Prague) awestruck by my presence, as though I were Tom Cruise (I'm 34 and have a beer belly), been told that my accent sound "so cool" to EE ears (by a 24 year old girl who could be a model), and even prostitutes who see relatively wealthy western european guys every day hang on my every word (hysterical story-I was coming out of a brothel in Prague with 2 Brits and maybe a Swede and we were piling into a sedan taxi. Although I politely offered to cram into the back and let one of them take the front seat with the driver they insisted I be up front because I was "the man". They witnessed the girls inside facinated by me, hugging and kissing me goodbye, where they could barely get the time of day except when they were paying) ....I've even had a few offers from pro's to go home with me after their shift. It's a beautiful thing, and although Canada is cool, I just don't see the same things happening.
By the way, here is a handy hint for you guys going abroad When someone asks you where you are from, don't say "The US/USA/America", as doing so puts images in their heads of egocentric jackbooted imperialists who think that the rest of the world is here for our convenience (less prevalent in Eastern Europe who are still fetishy about the US). Instead, claim the nearest major metropolitan area. I for example, claim Chicago (35 miles away), and this puts an image in their heads of Al Capone, 1920's Gangsters, the Sears Tower, Michael Jordan...You get the idea.
That is all,
Bart 9K
Or you could say you are Canadian in public and in private tell the girls you are American.
I would still like to know which country ZAP is from? He never did mention that!
CBGBConnisur
09-18-05, 15:40
When I go to Europe, I transform into Superman from Clark Kent, ladies who would ignore me in New York aka metropolis would be fawning on me Prague, Amsterdam, anywhere else in continental Europe.
I thought about (aboot) claiming Canada, but 1. I'm not overly fond of lying-it makes life too complicated. 2. It isn't really necessary in Eastern Europe, as although the US foreign policies are a travesty, they for the most part are still in love with the Hollywood dream of the United States. Now were I in Western Europe, there might be some temptation.....
Zap here appears to be from Moldova (at least some of his posts are there), which is a country between Romainia and Ukraine (I looked it up). It is very disconcerting to hear that feminism is starting to actually get it's nasty tendrils into the unspoiled parts of the world. Men may eventually be forced to troll the primitive indigenous tribes of South America for decent women-hopefully I'll be long gone by that time.
Long Stroker
09-18-05, 19:40
Men may eventually be forced to troll the primitive indigenous tribes of South America for decent women-hopefully I'll be long gone by that time.
I think that might actually be the ultimate U.S. legacy. Long after the sun has set on the American Empire, international feminism will thrive, spurred on by the armies of NGOs we have dispatched across the globe to spread the gospel of man-hating.
CBGBConnisur
09-18-05, 20:06
I respect myself too much to tell anyone I'm a Canadian, sure US foreign policy today is a major travesty but there is another side to America that isn't. Western Europeans can tell Americans and Canadians apart quite easier, the former tend to be more macho. Looking at the way people in Eastern Europe live, its not surprising that they will hold on to the Hollywood image of the US, even people in Western Europe have a similar idea. Australians and Canadians, coming from two countries that are physically similar to the US, are mixed.
The last time I was in Germany, I was 'dating' this one woman. She thought that Canadian and American was the same thing. Of course most people will assume you are American by default. I have also worked telephone customer service jobs calling to places like England, and they assumed I was Canadian.
It is truly a shame if what ZAP says is true and he is in Eastern Europe. <sigh>
CBGBConnisur
09-19-05, 19:07
My experience is that people can easily tell whether you are American or Canadian, this is more so for males than females. Canadian guys tend to be a bit effiminate while Americans like me are more macho.
Cebu Local
09-20-05, 00:10
My experience is that people can easily tell whether you are American or Canadian, this is more so for males than females. Canadian guys tend to be a bit effiminate while Americans like me are more macho.With all due respect,We like to think Canadians are more polite.
CBGBConnisur
09-20-05, 01:47
Let me be more clear, Canadians act more "European", Europeans tend to be a bit effiminate. Americans tend to be more hardy and masculine.
In any case, the overall masculine traits of Canadian men Vs. American men is a moot point.
Let's get back to the original topic: the pros and cons of American women, preferably with real life examples.
Cheers
I met this Polish Girl, and I've seen her a couple of times. When I was in Germany and I talked to girls, if they liked me, they'd usually suggest that we exchange numbers, or that we meet somewhere the next day or they we go back to her place.
I was hoping that the Polish girl I met would take the initiative like that also. But I can see that she is waiting for me to "be the man." She is very flirtatious. So I guess Im going to have to bite the bullet and ask her.
But does anyone here know if Polish women take the initiative in general? Or is it possible that since she's 22 and has been living in the states for 5 years that she's acclimated to the atmosphere here? I dont think she's dated anyone but Polish men so far. I am not Polish.
a girl who was raised in Croatia until 15 or so, when her family moved to the Chicago area. Although she is more or less Americanized (I think she is 27-28 now), she is a much better person than most American girls-she is humble, kind,friendly, faithful, not particularly materialistic, or greedy (obviously her upbringing in Europe had a lasting effect). She told me stories of little bitches in her new high school making fun of "the little Eastern European girl's" lack of stylish clothing and belongings.
Kind of a funny Cinderella ending. That girl married a 30 year old pretty boy millionaire, beating out innumerable other hot bimbo's (she is attractive, but not stunning). I know both of them well (went to college with her, worked for him). He (rightly) views marriage as a business decision, and chose to have a good partner, instead of the hottest piece of ass he could land.
This doesn't really count (she's a dancer-all interactions are colored by her interest in emptying my wallet), but I also used to know a Polish girl. Despite being in the United States since a very young age (I think she said they moved when they were 7), I could definitely tell that she was "different"-she was kind, seemed to have a sense of keeping her word (she promised a small "favor" in the back room which she delivered on despite me not pushing for it), and fair play. Also, just in general, she was much more likely than the American girls to not engage in false advertising.
Moral of my stories: The poison that is the United States, is mighty potent, but not entirely pervasive in some cases. Back before I started considering expatriation, I was thinking I would go hang outside a Russian Orthodox church to see if I could meet me a nice girl.
Regarding taking the initiative, I have heard that E. European girls will approach you if they find you attractive, but who the hell knows what this girls head is like now. My advice. Just divorce yourself from the outcome, put a helmet on and go for it. Don't be afraid to be a little forward and dominant (they like to see that you have some testicles) when you do it, saying something like..."I'm going to X....Why don't you come along with me" Then give her your number, and she may reciprocate. If she does give you her phone number, don't call her except to confirm plans-then get off the phone ASAP. If you call just to "chat", you are acting like her girlfriends, not her boyfriend, and also showing her that you aren't busy-a bad sign.
"Bart"
Oh please!
I can't believe some of the recent comments regarding Canadian men. First, we are definitely NOT more effeminate. There's a lot of "pussified" men around here it's true. But, most of these tend to be found in large, metropolitan areas like Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver.
Check your own country and you'll see the same thing. Rural Montana and Texas.... lot's of he-men for sure. LA, New York and Miami..... wall to wall fags and fruityboys for sure!
I've been all over the US, and all over the world.... and I've yet to run into someone who could tell that I wasn't a Yank (americans included). In fact, that is usually their first assumption. Maybe it's because I'm so strong and masculine-looking.... I don't know. :D
Rock
Smut Villain
09-21-05, 02:06
I was hoping that the Polish girl I met would take the initiative like that also. But I can see that she is waiting for me to "be the man." She is very flirtatious. So I guess Im going to have to bite the bullet and ask her.
Yes, I think you should. Personally, I have absolutely no qualms about approaching; however, what's always kept me from doing so in the past is the ambiguious (sp?) signals you always get from these Ameriskanks. The dating game would make so much more sense without men needing to possess mind-reading skills and a B.S. in Psychology.
I guess that's why I've always had a preference for Latinas; you usually know where you stand.
CBGB is a knee jerk racist who cannot function without relying on ethnic stereotypes so don't pay too much attention, Rock Dog, Cebu Local, and other Canadians.
Guys,
Are we really taking up time and space in the "American Women" forum to discuss masculinity issues of Canadian vs. American men????? Geez.
To change gears, I was wondering if there are any travel agencies out there which specialize in sex tours for individual mongers? I know that there is something like this operating in Costa Rica right now. They arrange accomodations, nightly parties with an ample supply of working girls, etc. This might also constitute a viable new market for some young entrepreneurs out there. I was just wondering.
Guys,
To change gears, I was wondering if there are any travel agencies out there which specialize in sex tours for individual mongers? I know that there is something like this operating in Costa Rica right now. They arrange accomodations, nightly parties with an ample supply of working girls, etc. This might also constitute a viable new market for some young entrepreneurs out there. I was just wondering.
Hi Paddy,
Long time no speak. Unfortunately, I'm back from Brazil. Our currency made me broke by even their standards so I had to open a bar serving capirinhas and cervejas there but still went bankrupt because bars don't really make much money there. With the Reais worth twice as much now as it was worth 4 years ago, I could no longer afford to even survive there with just my savings. Of course, I blame Bush for this travesty for devaluing our currency. I had to move back to New York to get my old job back and move in with my parents to recover my spendings in Brazil. It was great while it lasted, I even hooked up with a chick who stuck with me thick and thin until the time I had to come back to the states.
There is a Germany FKK tour called CFIT that goes from FKK club to FKK club. You also have the option of doing individual tours. The website to these tours is http://www.cfit.com/tour.htm. The tour guide is Bob. He also not only does Germany but he does Tijuana and Nevada. He also knows some places in Czech Republic, Austria, Holland, and Quebec. I have gone to Germany four times, once by myself which is hell driving from place to place and the other times with Bob. He also keeps up to date with new clubs in Germany that pops up.
As for AWs, I think they're all lesbians. Think about it! They set up sexual harassment laws to prevent us from hitting on them and if they don't like you, they can cry sexual harrassment and have you thrown in jail (this almost happened to me but thank goodness my guy co-workers acted as my witnesses to help me and the case was thrown out. The girl I tried to pick up was transferred by my boss because he was scared that she would pull this same act on him.) They also like doing other women more than doing guys and that is why there is more lesbian movies. It also seems that American men like to see lesbian action but I think it is just that they accepted it because these are the same men that can't get some action from AWs because AWs don't put out for men. I personally don't like lesbianism because it takes away our choice of women but unfortunately the trend in AWs is heading that way with all this feminism.
FEMINISM=LESBIANISM!!
Marriage without sex is a great cover for AWs lesbian ways. They're excuse is, "I want to save myself for marriage. I'll make it worth your while." This is the case with all big city girls I've asked out. In America, the only place I've gotten laid is in Las Vegas. The girls are there to party and they do put out but after you've treated them to some dinners, shows, and drinks. I do have more luck with non-pros there than with the pros because they are prohibitively expensive for paid sex.
As for other AWs especially the ones from the big cities, to heck with them. They've become sexually calloused to men by feminism besides the fact you can get maced or thrown in jail just for asking them out.
CBGBConnisur
09-21-05, 17:39
The US dollar has fallen against every major world currency(Euro, Sterling, Yen, Swiss Franc, Canadian and Australian Dollar) which has made going abroad a difficult proposition for those who want to leave the US to find the beauties abroad. I looked up the Brazilian real on a chart, it bought 25 cents about three years ago, and now buys almost .45 cents US.
If any of you have an amazon.com account, or if you have a credit card, you can check out the first few pages of a book written by Thomas Ellis called The Rantings of a Single Male. On pages 7-9 specifically, he talks about how women are trained from an early age to be bitches. You'll enjoy the read. He is very humourous. It is free of charge to read these first few pages. This book is on my list of books to buy.
Incidently, Thomas Ellis is a member of the NiceGuy forum under the handle Rantmeister.
Here is the link to the reading:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0976261308/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-7432360-0879211#reader-link
If any of you read this, please post. I'm interested in your perspectives.
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As for the Polish girl, I wont see her again til next wk.
article in a recent cosmopolitan "why there's so much marriage mania".
by julia gaynor
over the past few months, it's been virtually impossible to avoid hearing, seeing, or uttering the w word (hint: it rhymes with bedding). you've likely read stories, heard newscasts, and participated in conversations - ad nauseam - that covered everything from runaway brides to shotgun weddings to six-figure receptions. chatter about marriage seems to have reached a fever pitch, which is odd considering it's an institution that's existed for thousands of years. so what's actually going on?
"we're a nation that has become obsessed with weddings," says psychologist dale atkins, phd. and there are bunch of contributing factors. "extravagant details of celebrity weddings, increasing competitive pressure within female peer groups, and the gen y desire to fast-track one's lifestyle and add momentum to this shift in the energy we're focusing toward weddings now," explains atkins. cosmo examines why wedding fervor has accelerated at warp speed.
did you get the memo? paris has a 24-carat rock! nicole richie wants elephant rides, swans and horse-drawn carriages on her big day. both ben and jen and renee and kenny had secret, intimate island ceremonies, while sophia bush and chad michael murray got hitched in a lavish seaside event in southern california. "today, young female stars' weddings are far more frequent and over-the-top than they were 10 or 15 years ago," says pamela paul, author of the starter marriage. additionally, the grand details of celebrity nuptials are more accessible to us than ever before, which makes it hard not to get sucked in."
sure, it seems like innocent, voyeurish fun to get an inside peek at those a-list unions, but the constant barrage of celeb weddings can seep into your psyche. "even if you're not thinking about getting married, most women will subconsciously wind up fantasizing about weddings simply because they're bombarded with so many images and news reports," says beverly hills psychotherapist jenn berman, phd. "the focus is often on the dress and the party, rather than the relationship. as a result, people fixate on those superficial details. they use celebrity examples as yardstick for what they want someday, which makes them feel panicked because they can't live up to it."
...
dream-life checklist: kick-ass career, gorgeous husband, fabulous pad, cute gurgling baby. timeline: fitting it all in before age 30! it might sound crazy and ridiculously ambitious, but many young women are creating tighter and tighter internal deadlines for themselves. that puts them in a pinch - and creates a feeling of panic. "there's been a generational shift in the way young women approach their goals these days," says jane buckingham, president of youth intelligence, a trend-forecasting firm. "they want to have it all - the career, the house, the husband - while they're still a 20something. but this high-pressure deadline makes them feel like they're running out of time and if they don't get hitched soon, most of good men will be taken and their chances of having a baby will be slim."
blame it on the generational backlash: "young women today spent their childhood being told that they could accomplish anything and to pour their energy into pursuing their own interests," says paul. "they experienced a prolonged adolescence as they turned their focus away from settling down. but now they are yearning for a sign of adulthood. they crave security are optimistic that marriage will quickly transition them from their less responsible 20s into a more successful stage. they think it's the fastest way to show their parents that they're officially left the nest."
...
but there is an inherent pitfall in trying to do it all by 30. "what do you have to look forward to?" asks paul. "when you race through your goals without savoring them or taking what you learned form the last experience to refocus your next step, you really miss out." not to mention, your marriage's chance of surviving is better if you wed in your late 20s rather than your earlier.
fact: big-day price tags are getting higher and higher, echoing the competition women increasingly face to outdo one another in their walk down the isle. "wedding have become the ultimate status symbol for couples today. it drives women to compete with each other, and that one-upmanship fuels the mania," says atkins. "many women see the wedding as a projection of how their whole life will be - that's one reason it has to be perfect and better than the last celebration they attended," adds paul.
and the numbers prove it. according to weddingchannel.com, the average cost of weddings has risen $11,000.00 in the past 15 years, from $15,000.00 to roughly $26,000.00. and to keep up with the spiraling cost of getting hitched, the wall street journal reports that some couples are now asking guests for cash - on top of traditional gifts - so they can have their over-the-top nuptials. all this to marry the man you love? not really.
brides are taking out loans for their dresses. couples are flying bands across the country and asking guests to cross state lines and oceans for elaborate destination weddings (which can last for several days) just to make sure their big day is more fabulous than anyone else's.
"people become competitive from the proposal on," says paul. "as soon as you announce your engagement, it's 'how did he do it?' and 'let's have a look at the ring.' we have more bridal and celebrity magazines than ever, as well as reality tv shows, which all fuel the industry. weddings overall have become a focus of consumer culture, so there's a lot more pressure for people to get everything from event planners to wedding web sites. there's so much more out there now in the marketplace that caters to this."
unfortunately, a lot of people lose track of the lifelong commitment they're about to make as they figure out whether they want fireworks or a 40-piece orchestra at the reception. "couples get so caught up in the event that they lose sight of the relationship and their life after the wedding," says susan shapiro barash, author of the new wife. "it's a rude awakening when, after the wedding has been so consuming emotionally, financially, and time-wise, the couple returns to each other alone and is no longer treated like royalty. princess for a day really only lasts one day."
this article only confirms what i've been thinking all along.
a) the majority of women are selfish.
b) women care nothing about men.
c) women consider men walking atm‘s.
d) men are pussies in the eyes of women.
e) the majority of women are illogical, and lack logical perspective.
f) the majority of women are only in love with the idea of marriage, not marriage its self.
Hi Darkseid,
Yes, it has been a long time. Thanks for the update on what has been going on in your life. The Brazilian girl sounds like a dream come true. Also, thanks for the website regarding sex tours in Germany. It sounds interesting to say the least. I'll be in Prague in November and might cross over the border to connect with a tour there.
Thanks again.
Hi Paddy,
For the Germany tour, they have a limited number of seats so you must arrange to be on the tour if you want to meet up with them and contact Bob on where he can pick you up.
As for Prague, I went there for a short four day trip with Bob who was trying to get a feel for this country and it was like another Holland except that they don't speak much English. They do speak some German so that was how I communicated. Their Red Light District is identical to Amsterdam's RLD. I did not have Czech Kroners so I paid in Euros. They charge 50 Euros for 15 minutes and they do the girl I picked who named herself Ashley did only missionary and a mechanical CBJ. What you'll find in the RLD are stunning looking to so-so looking women but bad service.
Another tourist trap is the K5 Club. The club is very dark and it is set up like a strip club with loud dance music and sofas with girls seated there. Their bodies were gorgeous but the faces were average looking. I would have went with one if it were not for the prices. It was 350 EUROS (or 5000 Kroners, it is cheaper a bit to pay by Kroners) for a one hour session. They only have "luxury" rooms and no economy room. They took me on a tour and all the rooms have Jacuzzis and a king sized bed. Each room has a theme like caveman, ice age, etc. What is also inferior to Germany is they only do CBJs when I asked the host.
What's also interesting about the Czech Republic is the prostitutes walking around on the roads that hail down men. I stopped on a red light and one approached me and out of curiosity I asked her prices. She asked if I had Kroners or Euros but I said Euros. She said it was 25 Euros for a half hour (BBBJ and sex) and said we had to stop at a short stay hotel for 10 Euros more. The safety factor is questionable because they don't get tested nor are they carded so I passed on the offer.
There are also numberous smaller sex bars in the Dubi border. Almost all of them have only 2 women- one doable one and a girl next door type. They would charge 50 Euros for a half hour and expect maybe a 10 to 20 Euro tip for a BBBJ or 50 Euro tip for anal. The tip means that you must negotiate what they would or would not do and for how much extra if they do do it. Some girls won't accept any offer and would only do the basics CBJ and sex but with multiple positions unlike Prague RLD which is only missionary.
That is a small summary of Czech Republic. I liked it but it was not as good as Germany.
As for Brazil, if I have the money to do it again I definitely would go back. I must save up at least another 5 years and also wait until the imcompetent George W Bush who disrupted my stay leaves office so the US economy would be as good as it was under Clinton.
CBGBConnisur
09-22-05, 17:52
article in a recent cosmopolitan "why there's so much marriage mania".
by julia gaynor
over the past few months, it's been virtually impossible to avoid hearing, seeing, or uttering the w word (hint: it rhymes with bedding). you've likely read stories, heard newscasts, and participated in conversations - ad nauseam - that covered everything from runaway brides to shotgun weddings to six-figure receptions. chatter about marriage seems to have reached a fever pitch, which is odd considering it's an institution that's existed for thousands of years. so what's actually going on?
"we're a nation that has become obsessed with weddings," says psychologist dale atkins, phd. and there are bunch of contributing factors. "extravagant details of celebrity weddings, increasing competitive pressure within female peer groups, and the gen y desire to fast-track one's lifestyle and add momentum to this shift in the energy we're focusing toward weddings now," explains atkins. cosmo examines why wedding fervor has accelerated at warp speed.
did you get the memo? paris has a 24-carat rock! nicole richie wants elephant rides, swans and horse-drawn carriages on her big day. both ben and jen and renee and kenny had secret, intimate island ceremonies, while sophia bush and chad michael murray got hitched in a lavish seaside event in southern california. "today, young female stars' weddings are far more frequent and over-the-top than they were 10 or 15 years ago," says pamela paul, author of the starter marriage. additionally, the grand details of celebrity nuptials are more accessible to us than ever before, which makes it hard not to get sucked in."
sure, it seems like innocent, voyeurish fun to get an inside peek at those a-list unions, but the constant barrage of celeb weddings can seep into your psyche. "even if you're not thinking about getting married, most women will subconsciously wind up fantasizing about weddings simply because they're bombarded with so many images and news reports," says beverly hills psychotherapist jenn berman, phd. "the focus is often on the dress and the party, rather than the relationship. as a result, people fixate on those superficial details. they use celebrity examples as yardstick for what they want someday, which makes them feel panicked because they can't live up to it."
...
dream-life checklist: kick-ass career, gorgeous husband, fabulous pad, cute gurgling baby. timeline: fitting it all in before age 30! it might sound crazy and ridiculously ambitious, but many young women are creating tighter and tighter internal deadlines for themselves. that puts them in a pinch - and creates a feeling of panic. "there's been a generational shift in the way young women approach their goals these days," says jane buckingham, president of youth intelligence, a trend-forecasting firm. "they want to have it all - the career, the house, the husband - while they're still a 20something. but this high-pressure deadline makes them feel like they're running out of time and if they don't get hitched soon, most of good men will be taken and their chances of having a baby will be slim."
blame it on the generational backlash: "young women today spent their childhood being told that they could accomplish anything and to pour their energy into pursuing their own interests," says paul. "they experienced a prolonged adolescence as they turned their focus away from settling down. but now they are yearning for a sign of adulthood. they crave security are optimistic that marriage will quickly transition them from their less responsible 20s into a more successful stage. they think it's the fastest way to show their parents that they're officially left the nest."
...
but there is an inherent pitfall in trying to do it all by 30. "what do you have to look forward to?" asks paul. "when you race through your goals without savoring them or taking what you learned form the last experience to refocus your next step, you really miss out." not to mention, your marriage's chance of surviving is better if you wed in your late 20s rather than your earlier.
fact: big-day price tags are getting higher and higher, echoing the competition women increasingly face to outdo one another in their walk down the isle. "wedding have become the ultimate status symbol for couples today. it drives women to compete with each other, and that one-upmanship fuels the mania," says atkins. "many women see the wedding as a projection of how their whole life will be - that's one reason it has to be perfect and better than the last celebration they attended," adds paul.
and the numbers prove it. according to weddingchannel.com, the average cost of weddings has risen $11,000.00 in the past 15 years, from $15,000.00 to roughly $26,000.00. and to keep up with the spiraling cost of getting hitched, the wall street journal reports that some couples are now asking guests for cash - on top of traditional gifts - so they can have their over-the-top nuptials. all this to marry the man you love? not really.
brides are taking out loans for their dresses. couples are flying bands across the country and asking guests to cross state lines and oceans for elaborate destination weddings (which can last for several days) just to make sure their big day is more fabulous than anyone else's.
"people become competitive from the proposal on," says paul. "as soon as you announce your engagement, it's 'how did he do it?' and 'let's have a look at the ring.' we have more bridal and celebrity magazines than ever, as well as reality tv shows, which all fuel the industry. weddings overall have become a focus of consumer culture, so there's a lot more pressure for people to get everything from event planners to wedding web sites. there's so much more out there now in the marketplace that caters to this."
unfortunately, a lot of people lose track of the lifelong commitment they're about to make as they figure out whether they want fireworks or a 40-piece orchestra at the reception. "couples get so caught up in the event that they lose sight of the relationship and their life after the wedding," says susan shapiro barash, author of the new wife. "it's a rude awakening when, after the wedding has been so consuming emotionally, financially, and time-wise, the couple returns to each other alone and is no longer treated like royalty. princess for a day really only lasts one day."
this article only confirms what i've been thinking all along.
a) the majority of women are selfish.
b) women care nothing about men.
c) women consider men walking atm‘s.
d) men are pussies in the eyes of women.
e) the majority of women are illogical, and lack logical perspective.
f) the majority of women are only in love with the idea of marriage, not marriage its self.
astor, that is if you are referring to american women, as someone who would be considered of moderate means, i have done really well with european women who are considerably more fun to be around and easier to deal with, i have found that australian women are not as egotistic as american women, first off they don't try to guage my earning power by asking me what i do for a living and these seems to be consistent with the way they approach local guys.
as for your conclusions they are pretty much valid for all american and english canadian women.
An excellent analogy on American women: "We all know for a fact that not every chamber in a gun has a bullet when someone is playing Russian roulette, but who has the luxury of taking that chance?"
So when someone tells you that not ALL American women are that way, you have a good retort.
Personally I estimate that there are good American women. Somewhere around 3-5 out of every 1000 American women might be worth dating. That's 0.3-0.5%
1. Menopausal 43 year old woman-lonely old maid. Incapable of doing her fairly simple, but fast paced job, and is in a position to create mass chaos for everyone else through failure. Prone to psychotic emotional outbursts and fits of panic.
2. Conniving, manipulative, pathological liar, age 23. Long story short, trying to take my job, which she was removed from. Recenly flat busted her in a deceptive underhanded attempt to undermine me and get "her job back". Now I have to deal with her passive aggressive crap until the next time I catch her in the middle of a scheme. Uses her "struggles" with being the single mommy of an illegitimate daughter to gain attention and favor. In actuality, is out drinking 7 nights a week-the child's grandparents are de facto parents.
3. Pregnant hillbilly chick #1. 8.5 months pregnant with 4th child, and still doing physically demanding work (too big a loser to take off from work for a couple weeks). Has bullshit "moral superiority" thing going because she is actually married to the father of her children. Is hellishly puritanical, judgemental and hypocritical, and prone to freaky mood swings. I'm repressing the urge to tell her if she and husband were that fucking cool, she would be comfortably waiting at home for the contractions to start, not at work having freaky mood swings.
4. Pregnant hillbilly chick #2. Also 8.5 months pregnant. "Baby's Daddy" just left her (she is "Babies Momma #3 for him, and she was still surprised to find out that she wasn't the "forever love"). Too far along in the pregancy to do her job anymore, and foists work off on others, but again, can't afford to take off work. Being kicked out of Ma and Paw's house for getting impregnated by a biracial guy. Also, just generally annoying as hell, but that is just her personality.
5. Pregnant (?) hillbilly chick #3 - Purportedly pregnant (reports vary?-may be faking it. Has reently reported "miscarriage", and then re-pregnation). Prone to non-specific unverifyable gynecological issue ("gushing"), causing her to leave and take off work pretty much with impunity, possibly actually in response to control freak boyfriends demands.
6. Non-pregnant hillbilly chick. Boyfriend is in jail (hence the non-pregnant).
Sucks mondo ass at her job, so much so that shit is starting to come down on everyone over her failures. In the interest of honesty, she is reasonably pleasant to be around.
7. Boss. 40ish bitter old maid. Scarily incompetent, and prone to psychotic behavior, mood swings.
I'm in hell. I'm looking at taking maybe a 20% pay cut to get out.
There are a few good AWs left but you must comb the country for one. My older brother got lucky after looking for 4 years and met her in one of his business travels. He met her in a diner in Springfield, Ohio while on his lunch break. Now they are married for 9 years with 1 son. I figure that they love each other and they are never getting a divorce. They passed the 7 year itch even. My sister-in-law is one of those .3%.
I, however, dated more women in this city and never found any good ones. The chances of finding the .3% in big cities is even slimmer. I would say that .00001% of the big city women are good. Country girls or more likely to put out and stay married than city bitches.
Chocha Monger
09-23-05, 15:49
I have noticed that the AWs in the areas hit by the hurricane are acting a lot more friendly and are quite willing to put out especially if you're visiting from out of town. In fact, it is such easy pickings that even I have been tempted to break my "No Fucking AW" policy.
One temptress in particular happens to be an Anna Nicole blonde Creole chick, nice figure and not fat at all. From the first day I met her she has been giving me the look that a hungry lioness gives a grazing gazelle. She has been unsually friendly for an AW and gives piercing eye contact with a come fuck me look that I have only seen foreign chicks pull off. Now I'm here toying with the idea of running her through with my rod a couple of times based on some outstanding pass performance in the BJ department that I've experienced from Southern blondes in the past. I have never sampled something from this deep in the South before, so it might be my curiosity also.
On the other hand, I keep thinking that I might have to deal with some of the typical AW bullshit after having my nut sack drained, and then I would think that it wasn't worth it in the first place. I don't want a GF and I'm pretty sure that this chick is looking for a BF which could result in a problem. I'm trying my best not to give in to my horniness in spite of the obvious provocations. Usually the easier it is to get in the harder it is to get out. If she keeps up her behavior though, I can't guarantee that I wouldn't take her back to my RV and come in her a couple of times.
CBGBConnisur
09-23-05, 18:06
My policy of banning American women outright has not changed and will not change in the near future.
Chocha Monger
09-23-05, 19:11
CBGB,
I can definitely understand why you would maintain your ban. Porking an AW is not something to be taken lightly. I am sure that my ambivalence on whether to pork or not to pork this particular AW has a lot to do with the fact that my current assignment will preclude me from having the customary overseas oil change for an extended period of time. However, it will allow me to get a full over-haul for as much as a year at my destination of choice when it's all finished.
I usually have no problem ignoring AWs because in general they expect to be pursued while acting as the best thing on the market. This situation seems to have taken a different and rather interesting twist. I can't help but wonder what the motives are behind it, even though they may be the usual ones.
It's funny how AW abuse their sexual power. Some of them will provoke you with no intention of doing anything with you. In other words, they will tease you through the entire process, from penetrating eye contact from across the room, to giving you their number and promising to go out with you.
Now this is where the trouble starts. You will get the "Sure, we can hang out, but I'm busy right now. Call me tomorrow." Then you call the next day and she says "Oh, sorry. Something has come up, but I will get back to you."
Or even better, she will give you her number, dodge your phone calls and ignore your messages. That is grossly irrespnsible and shows a total disregard for men altogether (it also shows a lack of causal thinking, because eventually these nice guys will lose interest in women if most women act this way.)
Yes, if AW continue to do such things - cock-teasing, attention-whoring, and flaking - then more and more men will get exasperated and say "Fuck these bitches." :)
I have tried explaining this concept to foreign women. They simply dont understand how difficult Ameribitches truly are.
American women simply dont understand that when they make the game the way it is currently, it simply means that they are making it ripe for players. The players dont truly care about relationships. They just want pussy. Then American women get mad when you just want to fuck them or when they get treated like dirt. Maybe if they were nicer to men more of the 'non-jerk' type would hit on them.
But I do believe this process is almost self-fulfilling. American women are bitches so the only ones with confidence enough to approach them are the jerks-players. So American women see jerks as the men with confidence. They start to prefer the jerks because they possess these 'manly traits.' (So if you dont approach one of them, then they're going to assume you arent 'man enough' anyway.)
Things dont have to be that way - if only American women were responsible with the sexual power they have (i.e. not cockteasing, flaking, and cruely rejecting men) and initiated relationships part of the time. By using this passive strategy of attraction combined with their cockteasing/flaky behavior, they weed out virtually all of the men who are capable of treating them with respect.
I am truly happy most of these bitches will pursue careers from ages 16-35, while fucking every bad boy, ex-convict, and thug they can get their hands on, and when they turn 36 and realize they want a husband and kids, they'll find that the nice guys they ignored during their youth have learned to live without them. And even if they do find a guy who's crazy enough to marry them, they will have great difficult conceiving a child, and even greater difficulting having one without chromosomal abnormalities.
Serves you right. Yes, I have taken great joy at reading those articles where older women write in to Dear Abby (or whoever) and complain that they are former model, high-powered executives but no man wants to date them.
Chocha,
You're quite right about screwing AW.
Had a one night stand years ago with an attractive AW (OK, they do exist I guess). After the deed, we're resting in bed, she lights up a cigarette and starts talking about our now being "engaged." ENGAGED??? ENGAGED??? I thought that she was kidding or psychotic or something. Apparently, this chick thought that if you have sex with her that you're now "engaged" to her. I got out of there so fast that I think I left skid marks!
Has anyone else run into this line of thinking that if you have sex with an AW that you're now engaged??? To this day, that event really shaped my views of AW.
Chocha Monger
09-24-05, 05:44
Paddy,
That particular AW was quite bold to vocalize such a declaration. She must have been really convinced that she had you by the balls. Usually they don't say anything after you screw them but they start showing up and calling on a regular basis. Shortly there-after they start bitching about the time you're spending with your buddies and before you know it you have a girlfriend.
They just kind of sneak up on you with it. Sometimes you don't even have to screw them, they start doing little things for you as a "friend" but then get pissed if you fuck someone else. One must always be vigilant for this kind of creep towards a relationship when dealing with AW. Most guys don't even see the whole marriage and kids thing until it hits them, then they realize that it was all meticulously planned from the start by the woman. How many men do you think actually plan on impregnating a woman?
I am glad to see that you are on your guard. This one smells funny-American Girls generally aren't don't make themselves easily available, unless you are rich, very good looking, or both (supply and demand rears it's ugly head against them, instead of us). Even when they seem to, it is usually a game, such as where I have seen a fugly girl wave the possibility of easy pussy around (no one would bother with her otherwise), but as soon as she gets a couple of takers, she starts throwing up hoops for them to jump through.
My thought is that she is looking for a little "sugar" to maybe get her past a tough time. If that is the case, know that for what it is (prostitution), and treat it accordingly. And watch your ass-lot a them thair girls don't mind a young-un around, especially when it comes with an 18 year cash annuity.
PS Those of you on on the coasts who think that we have it easy in the Midwest (rustbelt), should read my last post. The problems are different, but I assure you that there isn't very much around that I would consider putting a wedding ring on.
Chocha Monger
09-24-05, 14:37
Tyhigs77,
You're right about American chicks often going through extraordinary lengths to pull your cock with no intention of doing anything else except frustrating you. Cock-pulling is a national sport for American women. If you visit a bar or club you'll see AW pulling cock all night for drinks or just to show off to their friends. They will spend all night toying with and wasting a guy's time and then leave without giving so much as a phone number.
I don't frequent bars or clubs for the above reasons. I have observed AWs in my company making little bets with each other at the bar as to whether or not some poor sucker will buy them drinks after they give him "the look". They feel really powerful and sexy when they can lead a guy on and get something for nothing. One AW that I know very well told me that she goes out to the night spots when she needs her ego stroked. This is very sad indeed when a woman must go out to play with guys and bullshit them just because her self-esteem or whatever happens to be low.
Since I know all of their games, I never ask AW for a number or even ask them out at all. Doing so would give them a chance to play games with me. Instead I use their own childish need for an ego boost against them. I simply act oblivious to their cock-teasing, this will make some of them dismiss me as being gay or an idiot for not reacting to their obvious "charms" but ever so often I will run into one who loves a challenge. This one will elevate her game gradually until she gets my attention. What she doesn't know is that my indifference will continue until I cum in her pussy, for this and nothing less is what is required to get my attention.
So ironically the best way to fuck an AW is to put no effort into it. All the AW I have fucked in the past pretty much ended up spreading it in this manner. It was all spontaneous fucking, I knew that they desperately wanted my attention and would do whatever it took to get it just to prove something to themselves. All it took on my part was some patience, not caring either way and having a condom handy when the moment came.
Invariably the women that give it up in the manner will ask, "Do you love me?" or they will say something stupid like, "I guess we're dating now." They still need their little acknowledgement of victory. If you tell them no at this point and say that it wasn't what they thought all along things can get really interesting.
CBGBConnisur
09-24-05, 14:55
Its easy for me to ban American women because I live 9000 miles away on the other side of the Pacific. Dickhead is the other lucky soul since he lives 8000 miles away on the other pole of the Earth in BA.
Sinanju Master
09-24-05, 20:05
i remember vaguely a couple of times when i got the "all systems go" signals from chicks only to have them do an utter and total 180 degree turn when i attempted to "close the sale". i was completely baffled at this insane behavior until releatively recently when i happened upon the discovery that aw's will fuck with a man (without the slightest intent of reciprocating his interest) with the sole purpose of seeing if they "have it". "it" being the ability to attract a man and be the center of his attention and possibly turn him into "sucker for a day". they (aw's) claim that men's egos are fragile. i'll give them that, but if a aw puts out positive signals and a smart guy doesn't take the bait, observe now when the pot calls the kettle black. they will be like the fox in aesop's fable and claim "sour grapes".
Sinanju Master
09-24-05, 20:31
Tyhigs77,
you brought up a point I made quite a while ago about younger AW's. During their more attractive years, they become aware of their attractiveness and sexual powers and abuse those powers like there's no tomorrow. After all, earning another notch (broken heart, "used" schlup, or financial sucker) is a testament to how hot she is and feeds her ego like an engineer feeding a ravenous coal-burning train of yesteryear. This outrageous behavior gives rise to two outcomes: 1] as she grows older, she now realizes that she has YOUNGER COMPETITION! "Food" is now becoming more scarce, and she has to "hunt" for easier, although possibly LESS ATTRACTIVE prey/suckers. 2] There is almost NO guy out there that hasn't run into this type of barracuda, and therefore, REMEMBERS when this type of woman either MADE him a sucker or ATTEMPTED to. Instead of wisely using her powers in her younger years to couple with a guy who is marriageable material, she's left with a pool of undesirables (1] the bad boy who will NEVER commit and leave her as a single mother only to re-enter her life periodically to deposit MORE of his seed or 2] the spineless schlup who is so grateful to be with her that he takes her shit until he can take it no longer). Either way, her NOW-present choices are the result of a lack of foresight. THIS is the typical man-hating "bitter b*tch" in her 30's that you encounter. It's ALWAYS: "He was never enough THIS", "He was too much THAT". NEVER do you hear them say anything similar to: "I had to change my bahavior/outlook/expectations".
Smut Villain
09-24-05, 23:41
It's ALWAYS: "He was never enough THIS", "He was too much THAT". NEVER do you hear them say anything similar to: "I had to change my bahavior/outlook/expectations".
That's another thing I've found with American women: it's always someone else's fault, never their own.
.....there is always a sucker out there-one born every minute. I mentioned a while ago, my old high school best friend who I found out married some fugly bimbo and adopted her kids. I wasn't around to see the whole story, but I am sure that he was just thrilled to have a woman, after being one of the "passed over" for years.
Someone mentioned ignoring girls as they jump up and down to get your attention. That works well. Something else that works even better is picking on them and making fun of them. For some reason they LOVE this-it's basically a way to be percieved as manly and powerful, while not being an actual "loser bad boy". One of my favorite routines busting on a young looking girl age 18 plus...."I wouldn't let you into a PG 13 movie". "When you turn 16, are mommy and daddy going to let you get your drivers license..." You guys get the idea.
There's this new book that's coming out. It's called The Game. Has anybody here heard about it?
It's supposed to be chock full of insights into female psychology. As far as I know, it's a systematic compolation of strategies that work on North A,erican women. Not only that, but the authors apparently delve into WHY these strategies are so effective.
I'd love to buy this book but I haven't seen it for sale anywhere.
Rock
There's this new book that's coming out. It's called The Game. Has anybody here heard about it?
It's supposed to be chock full of insights into female psychology. As far as I know, it's a systematic compolation of strategies that work on North A,erican women. Not only that, but the authors apparently delve into WHY these strategies are so effective.
I'd love to buy this book but I haven't seen it for sale anywhere.
RockIt is on amazon dot com. I bought a copy last week. I have skimmed the first two chapters. I dont like the way he teaches the techniques. He tells the story by telling us the story of his life, and the game strategy pieces are interspersed. It is a pain in the ass for me to read cause I want to get to the meat. Most of the crap is just gravy, which pisses me off and bores me.
CBGBConnisur
09-26-05, 02:10
From a lot of my experiences, outside of North America and the UK, the niceguy approach seems to be the easiest way to score. In the US, Canada, and UK, women want the badboy types, at least the more attractive ones. When I was in Europe last fall, by doing simple gentlemanly things, like opening doors for women, I was able to get a lot of phone numbers. I could not believe how easy most Central and Eastern European are compared to their North American counterparts, despite the fact that these women have physical and ethnic similarities to most American women. The feeling reminded me of my first year in Australia when I hooked up with women by saying stupid things and every time they bought it. If you use the niceguy approach with a North American woman, she is going to think "What the hell does this guy want from me??"
Speaking of approaches, I know a lot of people who go to seminars on picking up women in the US. There are guys who pay hundreds to thousands of dollars getting "coaching" as if something is wrong with them, its one of the biggest ponzi schemes out there. I haven't seen these seminars outside of North America.
Sinanju Master
09-26-05, 04:21
Back in '92 I bought a book by Ross Jefrries that espouses the same idea that I'm sure "the Game" does. It basically says that you gotta picture yourself having the cojones enough to walk up to a woman and ask her out as if you expect that the ONLY answer she will provide is a resounding "Yes". I use that same concept to this day along with some ideas that are espoused by "Doc Love". It is a GREAT way to weed out the undesirables UP FRONT! Even though I was shot down in one attempt, I walked up to a BUILT college cutie in the middle of a crowded diner one morning and laid it on the line when I asked her out. Had I NOT read the material and applied it, I would NEVER have thought of even APPROACHING her. A couple of times I applied the teachings, my intended targets actually complimented me on the balls it must have taken to approach them in such a bold fashion. One of the chicks that complimented me was right in front of her co-workers when I was making a delivery. Even though I didn't score, the flustered, off-balance look on her face was priceless.
At one point, as I was looking for answers for to correct the inability to date after I got out of a traditional college environment, I read just about everything on the market about success in dating. I can definitively state that of what is out there, 99.999% is useless, complete, and utter bullshit, and a waste of paper. Dedicatedly following the advice of one tome in particular "Love Tactics" turned me from a fairly normal boneheaded kid (but still one who stumbled into an occassional piece of ass and a girlfriend or two) into a wimpy, obsequious ass kisser/borderline stalker who spent more years than I care to think abouit in a state of unloved celibacy. Granted, some good did come of that, as the result of that is lack of what would be by now a ***** ex wife, and child support payments.....but I digress.
For those interested (I personally don't care enough about getting AW to really bother implementint the advice in the US), the following books/guru's etc. have some validity to their methodology in my opinion:
1. "How to succeed with women" by Louis and Copeland was my first real awakening to how the female mind worked, and addressed getting past the "screens" that they put up to weed out "undesireables". Worth a look, although they don't really (as I recall-been a while since reading) the roles of masculinity/femininity, and submission/dominance (I"m referring to normal interactions, not S&M). Can be obtained on Amazon, or in many bookstores.
2. "How to Date Young Women-for men over 35" is also very informative. It deals extensively with feminine psychology, and what the interior process of the (young) woman is like. Facinating read. Now the author is (Don Steele) can be bit of a.self righteous ass for lack of a better description, but his work is absolutely worth taking a look at. His books are on Amazon, and also can be obtained at steelballs.com
3, David Deangelo of doubleyourdating.com was my most recent find. I bought his e-book, and found his material to be highly derivative of that which has come before (he read the same stuff I did, but managed to create a workable system out of it), He also has a free e-mail distribution list, which is fairly informative. The thing that makes Deangelo worthwhile is his invention of "cocky and funny", which is basically fucking with women (establishing dominance, and rising above their bullshit in a "jerk like" manner....but without having to be a useless bad boy loser), but doing so in a humorous fashion. I can tell you that it is a lot more fun fucking with women than it is to follow them around kissing their asses.
That is all,
"Bart9K"
The personal responsibility thing-hypothetical example:
Girl, age 23 has a "nice" (faithful, generous, kind, earns a good living, planning to marry her....) boyfriend. Girl goes to "girls night out", and ends up blowing sexy bad boy loser in the parking lot. Girl then rationalizes this behavior, not as "I feel guilty, I did a bad thing", but instead of "That guy came onto me, it's HIS fault.....Plus I must not be sexually satisfied if I did something like that which is boyfriend's fault......and boyfriend forgot my Mother's birthday...."
Now obviously infidelity exists in every culture (less so of course in places where they punish it by death of course). My question however is do women in other cultures manage to completely divorce themselves from responsibility for their actions, or is this just and AW thing?
Wanderer1000
09-26-05, 21:54
Bart9000 -
I'd agree with you on Don Steele - read that book fifteen years ago. I get DeAngelo's free e-mail - worthwhile to read through.
I would definitely add Doc Love, even though I've never purchased his material. He does have a free weekly letter response on his web-site (new every Thursday). Very solid thinking.
You are right - everything else I've read is largely B.S.
Sinanju Master
09-26-05, 22:42
Jak, I would DEFINITELY encourage any guy to purchase Doc Love's material! I bought the "Dating Dictionary" (it lists from A to Z the do's and don'ts of the dating arena) and the book "The System". BOTH books are over 200 pages, but I tore through them like a man who had JUST learned to read and wanted to read MORE! My typical thoughts while reading these gems were: "What the fuck"?, "... but I thought....", "So THAT'S why....", "I THOUGHT SO..." and so on! Now, I'm able to weed out lying, time-wasting, resource-sapping phonies quicker than Simon Cowell can give a thumbs down to a clueless and talentless American Idol reject. Let me put it this way: the money you would spend on THIS material is LESS than what you would spend on some dorsal-finned, smooth-talking AW who would charm your money out of you before you knew what happened.
Long Stroker
09-27-05, 06:13
...but every so often I will run into one who loves a challenge. This one will elevate her game gradually until she gets my attention. What she doesn't know is that my indifference will continue until I cum in her pussy, for this and nothing less is what is required to get my attention.
And...
So ironically the best way to fuck an AW is to put no effort into it.
I knew that they desperately wanted my attention and would do whatever it took to get it just to prove something to themselves. All it took on my part was some patience, not caring either way and having a condom handy when the moment came.
Chocha Monger,
That is some really great writing, so clear and so true. Obviously, you are a man who understands the basic nature of AW. Isn't truth a beautiful thing to discover? It's so exhilarating, as well as liberating.
Like reaching the summit of a mountain, after a long, hard climb, and seeing the world for the first time - as it truly is.
Long Stroker
09-27-05, 06:36
A little economic commentary mixed in with some amusing observations on male-female relationships and social status in the United States. Of course these comparisons would ring true most anywhere in the world, perhaps. It's just that we here in the U.S. are blessed (cursed?) with the world's largest economy, therefore keeping up with the Joneses involves spending more money than most other places. Nothing earth shattering here, but a good read nonetheless.
P.S. - this article was written pre-Katrina, before the gas price shock had cut into the sales of Hummers
from The Daily Reckoning, by Bill Bonner <http://dailyreckoning.com/index.html>
It's all sex and lies.
Everything. The debt bubble. The real estate bubble. The trade deficit bubble.
Why is there a $600 billion trade deficit? Because Americans want to buy things they can't afford. Why do they buy things they can't afford? To pretend to be richer than they are. Why do they want to be appear richer than they are? Because it gives them higher social status. Why do they want higher about social status? So they will have better access to the opposite sex.
We are back in the United States after an absence of several months. Suddenly, the roads are crowded with Hummers. Why would anyone want to drive around in a big, awkward, ugly, expensive car when a small, cheap one would get him where he was going just as well? Because they want to "maximize their inclusive fitness" say scientists. They want as many of their genes floating around the gene pool as possible. The Hummer is like long, bright tail feathers on a bird. Or a big rack of antlers on a deer. From a utilitarian point of view, they are worthless. Worse than worthless, as a matter of fact. They increase the risk that rivals and predators will notice the animal. They take energy to carry around. And they slow the animal down, making it hard for him to maneuver in a fight or to get away.
The huge cars are only useful, near as anyone who thinks about such matters can figure, as conspicuous consumption; they wink to the opposite sex that the animal is game for a little hanky-panky. If he can carry around all that extra baggage and still survive, he must be tough. So, too, if a person can live in a McMansion and drive a Hummer without going bankrupt, he must be a good prospect for a date.
But it's all relative. If everybody on the block buys a Hummer and puts in a swimming pool, the man who has those things already loses his edge. He has to spend even more - bringing himself even closer to bankruptcy - in order to show off. What can he do? Write poetry and put a feminist bumper sticker on his old Hummer?
"Forget sensitivity," said a woman over dinner last night. "The man must show that he's capable...that he's strong...that he knows what he's doing."
"Yeah," said a divorced friend who has been studying dating strategies, "you have to be 'the man with the plan.' You signal to the woman that you've got it figured out...that your time is valuable...and that, if she wants to hook up with you, she can to so, but only on your terms. What you don't want to do is to take her out on a date and spend a lot of money on her. You have to show that you have a lot of money, but you don't want to give her the impression that she'll be in charge of how it is spent. That would start the relationship off on the wrong foot."
Women aren't stupid, of course. They know you can move into a McMansion with no money down and no money anywhere else. They know you can lease a Hummer and buy an Armani suit with credit cards. They try to find out if the man really has money or not. It is the beginning of the battle between the sexes. The man tries to deceive the woman about his fitness for procreation. The woman tries to detect the deception, while deceiving him - with make-up and various artifices - about her own attractiveness. The poor man has to show more and more evidence that he's really the one with the large rack and the bright feathers. He has to take on more and more expensive burdens. Second and third houses...European vacations...a home theatre...cosmetic surgery. The schmuck needs to spend, spend, spend - or he's going to be spending his nights alone.
You might say that a "smart" woman would see her way through the foolishness of it all and prefer a man with no desire to show off - maybe a good, solid schoolteacher who cares about the environment and drives an old Pinto. But if she mates with such a man, she dooms her offspring, say the scientists, for the man is likely to father sons much like himself - men who are only attractive to smart women. How many of them are there? Her own genes will find fewer opportunities for reproductive success, in other words...and what's so smart about that?
In order to spread her genes as widely as possible, a woman needs offspring, particularly males, who are "high ranking," - that is, those who can carry around gaudy expenses without going broke. Her best strategy is to make with a high ranking male. Her good fortune would be to have many sons with him - high ranking boys who would find many mates of their own. And for that she must make herself as desirable to him as possible. This, too, begins with deception and often ends in disappointment. She must spend much of her time and money as though she were a candidate for public office - that is, deceiving people about what she is. The scientists call it "impression management." She must appear high ranking - by wearing expensive clothes instead of cheap ones...by driving an expensive car, rather than a cheap one...by living at an expensive address...eating in expensive restaurants...going on expensive vacations and sporting expensive jewelry. She must also appear as physically attractive as possible.
Remember, it's all about sex.
American Women in general always act like they are the victims in any case. They blame the man if they cheat by saying he came on to her. Then they blame the man for losing half of her life through marriage so in divorce she sues him for half of his hard earned money even if all she does is just sit at home and eat ice cream all day instead of getting a career. The husbands that deserve this would be the overbearing and abusive husband that these laws are aimed towards. However, all of us have fallen victim to these laws because they generalize ALL men as the same. Again this is another blame shift because women blame ALL MEN for their problems. I always hear AWs say," he took away my 20s", like it is the ex-husband's fault they got married and divorced. Then they go through numerous other guys and then she breaks up with them and then it is HIS fault they broke up even though she was the one nagging them until their ears fall off.
In any case, AWs were brought up to be blame shifters and that is why we have all these ridiculous laws and lawsuits. We have all of these censorship laws because these old hags blame television for bad influences when it is really their poor upbringing of their kids. An old AW blamed McDonald's for having coffee too hot and burning her. We live in a blame shift society that negatively influences our country's women. This "victim mentality" is the root of all of our problems with AWs. All the other continents' courts would not allow even a hundredth of these crazy blame-shifting lawsuits because they would laugh them out of court.
I downloaded some homemade porn. It was a young couple maybe 19-20 years old. The 40 minute clip consisted of about 5 minutes of him fucking her, and 35 minutes of him eating her out. A couple of times she did reach over and give him a couple of half-hearted strokes as she was getting munched. Appearently, this guy, despite being obviously more than willing to go down on her, doesn't get head. And they want to ***** about inequality.
I used to work with this girl. One day she was waving around an (presumably) expensive ring from her boyfriend, saying "this is what you get when you go down on a guy". I actually told my female boss about this, with the addition "If the boy discovers hookers, it's all over with for her".
This of course has absolutely zero scientific validity due to a variety of factors (potential staging, only showing successes, small sample, etc). However, there is a derivative of the "Girls Gone Wild" materials which shows how "girl next door" types act with male strippers.
One production company for this type of material is "Party Hardcore". They film in the Czech Republic, and throw parties where they put, male strippers, "girl next door types", and also self admitted "plants"-female sex performers to "break the ice" and get things started.
Another company is "Loverboys". They film in the UK and/or the US at bachelorette parties, and strip clubs.
Interestingly, I watched a "Party Hardcore" scene. With the exception of the "plants" (who are easily identified by their appearance at multiple parties, and also their general appearance-tattoos and piercings), only one Czech girl in about 50 got into the action-she took off all her clothes, and allowed a stripper to fondle her, as she made out and gave him a couple of body kisses, as a "plant" sucked him off. Although the others did bump and grind a little bit with the guys, they mostly abstained.
Conversely, in the "Loverboys" material, I witnessed a table of four UK/US women who did not APPEAR (they were "young wifey type") to be performers, each concurrently take the strippers cock into their mouth, with only very mild hesitation (one cupped her hands around his dick so that her friends would not see it going in and out of her mouth).
Judging exclusively from this very non scientific evidence, it appears that relatively speaking Western Women are *****s in the street and ladies in the bedroom. Conversely, the relative opposite appears to be true for EE.
Bart
Doctor_Skank
09-28-05, 22:32
Bart9000:
Refering to your comparison of AWs and EE women and their behavior, I think one of the most notable differences is that EE women are more interested in successful men then merely good-looking ones.
It isnt only that EE women are interested in money and the comfort money can bring, which is an understandable factor considering the changes their countries have gone through, but successful men are generally considered to be more manly and more desirable. Basic social Darwinism.
This will likely change with time. I think it is only a matter of time before "Western" dating and mating principles corrupt EE as well as EE women become more independent and copy the ways of the West, which they are being forced fed by both Western TV culture and their own... which is based on those Western TV recipes which prove successful. I dont want to paint too bleak of a picture and it will likely never reach the catastrophic state that it has in the US, but the Earth's few paradises are becoming fewer and fewer with each pop culture media-bloated year.
Fuck while you can get it.
Doctor_Skank
09-28-05, 23:17
Based on my own experience as a high school student and in college before I "saw the light", American men are seemingly conditioned to believe that sex is the "end all be all" of human existence and that the only way to get it is by kissing a girls ass.... figuratively and unfortunately not literally.
Nowhere else on the planet, except maybe those other Anglo paradises like England and Australia, will you see so many genuinely likable and even good-looking men with absolutely horrible looking and disgustingly behaving girlfriends and wives.
When I visit the US I genuinely feel sorry for my brethren and feel like enlightening them... they have no idea how much quality and appreciative pussy they could get elsewhere.
I maintain my theory that American men are collectively mutually responsible for the poor state of affairs that exists in relation to women there. I was equally guilty of this sort of weakness until I went to Europe as a student and seemingly fucked the entire dormitory full of Irish, French, German and Swedish girls. It completely changed my attitude and upon the return to the US did much better with women there as well. Like a resurrection. All it took was a change of attitude.
In any case there is nothing to lose in trying. Getting rejected can be taken with humour. We arent trying to fall in love with these girls (at least I presume not)... we just want to fuck them, and you'll never get "game" unless you practice.
If all else fails, go to AMPs, Mexico, Thailand, Montreal, DomRep or whereever and practice on hos... :)
Smut Villain
09-29-05, 01:42
Doctor_Skank,
I agree 100%. For me ignorance was bliss until I fucked up and joined the Navy (and ended up travelling the globe). Now I see AW's as nothing more than occasional cum receptacles to which I'm not nearly as attracted as I used to be. Amazing how a nasty attitude can turn a "9" into a "3" real quick, but they still have the attitudes because American men think this is normal. We'll put up with all sorts of nonsense to get that fish taco because we think we have to and it's the only way. It's not that AW's are the only game in town; it's that they are the only game that American men know about. Of course, those of us who were/are lucky enough to see other cultures know better.
I guess it's hard to believe the grass is greener on the other side of the fence when you don't even know the other side exists.
CBGBConnisur
09-29-05, 05:28
There are many reasons why women behave differently in other countries. I put the blame on economics as one major factor. In the US there are millions of well to do or wealthy professional men out there, an attractive woman in America will always go for these guys hands down. Most people I have spoken with who have dealt with American women know that they worship money more than any other national group of females. I traveled to many countries and nowhere have women hit me up for money than in the US. Even in other affluent Western countries, I live in Australia for the time being, and have not been hit up the same way as I have with AWs who really will look at you as a walking cash machine.
I do agree with Doctor Skank that the collective behavior of men sucking up to women as prizes really ruins male-female relationships in the US. Money is another factor that plays into all of this.
i also would blame our country's double standard in the aws upbringing for the way aws behave. a promiscuous girl here in the us is looked down upon as a **** while a promiscuous guy doesn't have a negative name. because of this negativity towards promiscuous females, aws tend to overvalue their sexuality and think that they would need to ask more for their sexual favors than in europe or south america where sex is more accepted for females. aws tend to think of sex as "dirty" rather than pleasurable, unlike europe. american fathers also instill puritan standards to their daughters from birth and are often overprotective. american women therefore grow up hating men and think that men are just authorative and instead become feminist lesbians. american mothers instill the gift of greed and tell their daughters to go for the wealthiest guy. in the us, even a poor brad pitt looking guy cannot match up against the toupee donning donald trump.
I think there are more reasons than simply the financial requirements of women. The countries of the US, Canada, Nz and Oz were founded by the British. The Victorian constructs/Puritanical rules elevate women's status above men's. Women are taught to hold out for only the best. So they have very unrealistic standards. After all, they are women, and just because they are women they feel they are entitled to everything and anything they want at any time without consequences.
It is the puritanical and Victorian belief that women are more important than men which make them unbearable. So you have the majority of American men chasing something that has an artificially inflated value. This further exacerbates the problem. Because women will be sought after no matter what, they see their own value as more than a man who's actually her equal.
Also because it is considered misogynistic to criticize anything about women, there is nothing stopping women from treating men ruthlessly. American women are the most neurotic and fickle. This can be traced directly back to Victorian/Puritanical constructs.
CBGBConnisur
09-29-05, 18:57
I had a friend who worked as a busboy in a country club and he used to see some rather fat slobs with gorgeous women, it all boiled down to the fact that these guys had money.
American and Canadian women are the face of pure evil, honestly when I look at one I see the representative of Satan. British women are at least somewhat human, and French Canadian women are exempt from my smear.
Long Stroker
09-30-05, 20:56
It seems that globalization is indeed a double-edged sword. It makes possible cheap airfare which allows us to visit the delectable foreign pussy we all crave, while at the same time corrupting this very same pussy with man-hating propaganda.
Unfortunately, in 15-20 years or so, if peak oil really does occur, global mobility won't be nearly as cheap as it is today (barring some energy miracle breakthrough, of course). Mass communication will still exist however, pumping out the feminist agenda.
"Fuck while you can" seems to be the order of the day.
I think we as American males are partially responsible for the outrageous behaviour we see in american women. If we behaved as real MEN these women would have no choice but behave. Partaking in this hobby has allowed me to see how women think. Give a woman an inch and she will always without exception take a mile. I mix kindness, respect with firmness and let em know I will not put up with any bullshit. For example a black lady whom I must have seen 3 or 4 times, figured I was pussywhipped and tried to short my time and then upcharge me in the middle of a session. I got up, dressed and left, and swore to myself that she would never see me again. She now realizes how much money she has lost because she has called me every month for the past year offering all kinds of specials. As far as i'm concerned she has lost my business for GOOD. My advice treat them em with kindness, respect and put up with no bullshit or you are out.
Don't be pussywipped.
It doesn't really matter if you come across with a "take-no-bullshit" attitude. There are so many other guys out there who are desperate for any kind of action. These are the ones who have spoiled the game for the rest of us.
We ourselves contribute to the attitude problem that women have. As has been mentioned recently, we collectively instill the attitude that girls who put out are bad and girls who hold out are good. It's ironic, because that means that we hate the very thing we so eagerly seek..... free and easy women who will give us what we want whenever we want it.
I think it all boils down to selfishness. As men, we want access to the p*ssy, but only for ourselves. Once we get it, we tend to guard it jealously because it was so hard to get in the first place. Since there's always going to be a 50/50 ratio of men to women, this means having multiple female partners will always be fairly hard to achieve for an average man.
It's good to approach a woman with a confident attitude. But what good is that if it gets you one of the women that we all love to complain about so much? I find that years of rejections and disappointments had worn my confidence level down to zero. I'd see a good looking girl and think to myself "why even bother? Even if she's interested, she's probably a b*tch anyways."
Interestingly enough, when I"m travelling abroad, my confidence level soars to incredible heights. I can approach ANY woman without the slightest hesitation. I'd suspect that a lot of other WSG members have found this to be true as well.
Comments?
Rock
Judging exclusively from this very non scientific evidence, it appears that relatively speaking Western Women are *****s in the street and ladies in the bedroom. Conversely, the relative opposite appears to be true for EE.
BartI've a lot of experience with Asian women, ones who were born/raised there, NOT Asian-American. They are proper ladies in public & nasty yummy *****s in the bedroom. Very healthy open & natural about sex.
I think the double standard about good/bad girls that is not held the same to men, is largely self-inflicted. The cruel devious manner in which women stab each other in the back through vicious gossip far outdoes anything a guy would say about them. Witness female genital mutilation in Africa: it's the women who perpetuate & perpetrate it.
But I hardly believe that materialism is an exclusive province of AW. There was a Chinese newspaper report of a BMW owner in China who received a love letter on his windshield. It said "You drive such a beautiful car. I love you. I want to marry you." She hadn't even seen the owner, just the parked car!
Sinanju Master
10-01-05, 21:27
I hear ya, Rock Dog. To me, being in the US and having access to nothing but AW's is like wearing a Kryptonite necklace as far as confidence is concerned. I mean, how long can a guy meet cold, jaded chicks who have all the warmth and personality of a prison guard and keep his head up? Whenever I LEAVE these shores on my occasional travels, though, I become the Last Son of Krypton.
I was watching the newsmagazine 20/20 and they were featuring the book: "The Game". Yes, the same pickup artist book that was recently discussed on this board. When I heard some of the shit that elicited a POSITIVE response from the AW's, I thought to myself: "What fucking PLANET are these broads from"? Basically, whenever I've heard someone say similar shit, the chick would look at the guy as if he were an alien life form that would be inconceivable to the human imagination. I think when God created AW's he did so WITHOUT reading the instruction manual (from Heavenly Depot) and when he realized he fucked up, MRS. God got on his ass and set him straight. Hence, honeys from SA and EE. Any thoughts on this, my bretheren?
Long Stroker
10-01-05, 22:02
Civil Union Law Takes Effect in Conn.
By CARA RUBINSKY, Associated Press Writer
After receiving their civil union license Saturday, Lidia Agramonte and Maria Gomez had all the same rights as a married couple in Connecticut. But they couldn't find words to describe their union.
"The hardest thing is, what do you call yourself, civilized?" said Agramonte, 47, a social worker from New Britain. "There are no words for it yet."
The women were the first in line at Hartford City Hall as a new law allowing same-sex civil unions took effect. City halls in Hartford, Stamford, New Haven and a half-dozen small towns held special weekend hours to issue certificates to couples who said they waited for years to be legally recognized.
Connecticut became the first state to legalize civil unions without being forced by the courts after lawmakers passed a law endorsing the unions in April. Massachusetts allows gay marriages and Vermont recognizes civil unions because of lawsuits.
Rock Dog, you are right about the confidence part. Due to the hard time that AWs have given me (misleading signals, flakiness, prerogative to change their minds without cause), I am nervous around even the plain ones.
When I see a Polish/Russian/Ukrainian girl here in NJ, I can usually tell just by looking at their faces (can anyone else tell the difference or is it just me?). I've had no problem going up and talking to them. Usually I say something like "Hey, are you European <big smile>?" They have been extremely nice so far. They are even nicer than the western European women I've met, and I think western European women are great (except the British).
You know, I think that I could cope with AW if as previously postulated they were simply into guys with success and money-then you could just work hard, get it and have them. The simple truth of the matter is that they will use guys like this to obtain an easy life, but still either screw around on the side with bad boy losers, or follow a pattern of chasing them all over the place while they are young and hot, and then as they slow down, and widen a bit, decide to land a "good guy" (nice, kind, generous, hard working) to foot the bills, give her a nice comfortable life, and let her spit out a couple of munchkins. Both of those patterns play the "good guy" for a chump, the first obviously as an infidelity, and the second in depriving the "good guy" of what is generally considered to be the girl's most attractive desireable years.
I used to know a girl who was an absolute vicious cut-throat *****. She had absolutely zero concern for the welfare of anyone else (I let her move into an extra bedroom as a roomate-she refused to pay me a dime for three months of room and board, and ripped me off for about five hundred dollars) This is the kind of chick that wouldn't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on someone who was burning to death.
However, this girl had a guy. He (in the interest of honesty)wasn't the worst guy in the world, but basically regarded her as a convenient cum receptical (I can't even say he was a cheater, as he basically told her "I'm going to fuck other girls-If you don't like it, GO AWAY"). For this guy, the girl would crawl through 10 miles of sewers. for the privledge of doing his laundry. I'm exaggerating of course, but in actuality, she would literally drive a 65 mile round trip 6-7 days a week to be his booty call. In a couple more years, she will probably settle for a "nice guy", get married and have a couple of kids, but if you were the chump she married, if you found out, how would you feel knowing the woman that you beg for marital sex used to give slavish devotion to a guy who wasn't particularly concerned whether she was alive or not.
Bart9K
Sinanju Master
10-02-05, 23:17
It makes me laff whenever I hear AW's complain about a man not wanting to "commit". Commit to WHAT? Commit to a woman who will never tell you to your face that she's not totally YOURS? Commit to a woman who will feel that it is perfectly fine to cut off a man's sexual supply if she feels like it, KNOWING that if the man attempted to correct that problem through outside means, she could LEGALLY take him to the cleaners? Commit to a woman who will strangle off the man's side of their social life (his friends) only to end up with a set of "friends" that is not his own? Commit to a woman who feels that her ONLY requirement to the relationship is to give him the PALTRY amount of lackluster sex that he will receive FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE? Commit to a woman who will "assimilate" (the BORG would flee in terror at her abilities to assimilate) HIS assets as her/their own without contributing to the family "financial nest egg"? Thankfully, the subject of marriage and why I haven't taken the plunge almost never comes up with my female acquaintances. I can almost picture their indignation at having called the situation as I see it, AND having been RIGHT.
CBGBConnisur
10-03-05, 04:09
Rock Dog, you are right about the confidence part. Due to the hard time that AWs have given me (misleading signals, flakiness, prerogative to change their minds without cause), I am nervous around even the plain ones.
When I see a Polish/Russian/Ukrainian girl here in NJ, I can usually tell just by looking at their faces (can anyone else tell the difference or is it just me?). I've had no problem going up and talking to them. Usually I say something like "Hey, are you European <big smile>?" They have been extremely nice so far. They are even nicer than the western European women I've met, and I think western European women are great (except the British).
I can tell that most EE women have a different look about them, they dress and behave in a manner that is much different than AWs. I haven't had much trouble figuring out who is who by their appearance.
Chocha Monger
10-03-05, 04:31
Apparently AW in the hurricane struck areas are being a bit more "friendly" than usual to guys visiting from out of town because many are desperate for a way out of the demolished areas. I have been asked by quite a few if I was visiting the area alone. I guess they need a place to stay and a source of cash, so what's better than a walking ATM?
I told one that maybe I would drop by and we could go grab a couple of crawfish for lunch. She quickly replied that two crawfish wasn't going to get me very far with her. I laughed my ass off. It seems that even simple AW from the country can be very precise and calculating when it comes determining the price of their pussy.
The funny thing is that I don't like crawfish (a.k.a mud bugs) and the whole point of my conversation was just to fuck with her head a little for some entertainment while running around out and about on the job. I find it amusing that these women actually think that I would allow them to waste my time. They are so full of themselves that they don't even recognize blatant sacarsm. Why would I waste my money on some big corn fed AW when I can be saving for my next trip to an exotic locale with charming petite women?
However, it's amazing what you can say to women when you don't give a rat's ass about what they think of you. I find myself coming up with more and more outrageous shit to say to them just so that I can crack up at their reactions.
I think one of the driving forces of world travel by men is to seek out beautiful women. This is a normal drive and it is not the sinister exploiting of women through the sex trade that the feminazis call it. Behind this driving force is the terrible nature of so many American Women (AW). I call it the Oprah-ization of AW. Too many AW are obese, self centered and feminist monsters. Of course there are exceptions. Unfortunately the ones that are not Oprah-ized are either A. Married and off the market, B. sought after by many men and so expensive as to make them impossible to attain for a normal man, and C. horribly selfish and stuck up.
In the interests of some fairness, I would like to point out that all AW are not the scum of the earth. What about your mother, was she scum? (if she was maybe that explains some of your problems with women) It is definitely true that as far as sex workers the US is the worst in the world, basically the most expensive and the poorest service. The USA situation is bad because of the twin headed monster of puritanical sex values and feminism. Fortunately not all AW are this way. I have had some sexy little American girlfriends who were awesome in bed. I have been to Czech, all over South American and these girls rank in the best of all time. All it took was some charm and a spending a little time with them. Some of them made more money than me but they still enjoyed good sex.
The fact is there are sexy nice American girls left. I have met a few and it is very nice to meet an intelligent American girl who is raised in a good family and is financially secure and attractive. A very attractive American girl is sometimes the most beautiful girls in the world with the highest standards of cleanliness and hygiene. In addition because they are not peasants like many of the foreign women, they can attain sophisticated qualities that make them ideal mates. For example one of my American girlfriends was a well off girl, with a sexy body, flawless skin, who is fluent in two languages, has a college degree, is well read and never worries about money because she comes from a well off family. She always had the best dental care, has cool style, traveled the world, is polite and was better educated than most women from the 3rd world countries that are frequented by mongers. The girl is of course not perfect (no women are) but my point is that there are very many desirable young girls.
Unfortunately as is well documented on this thread there are very few of these lovely girls left by the time they reach about 25 many are hooked up and because the balance of power is so far tilted to women it makes these ones left sought after by the millions of men who want to meet a nice woman. The AW of the east coast is a special breed, more consumed by careers and material wealth than the average AW in the Midwest or south. I have seen fat girls acting like they are some hot thing that men want. The other problem with the east coast is that on the flip side there is many ghetto women who nobody finds attractive other than their fellow ghetto dwellers. The upper class women of the suburbs and elite urban enclaves can seem unattainable to the normal guy and there is the white trash and ghetto trash leaving a very depressing situation for the regular American guy.
CBGBConnisur
10-03-05, 17:11
You got to be kidding me about AW hygiene, I have been around the world, and in many countries, the AVERAGE women is better dressed and groomed than the average AW. I was in central Europe just last year, and most women who would be poor by US standards dressed better than Beverly Hills princesses but with much nicer personalities.
You got to be kidding me about AW hygiene, I have been around the world, and in many countries, the AVERAGE women is better dressed and groomed than the average AW. I was in central Europe just last year, and most women who would be poor by US standards dressed better than Beverly Hills princesses but with much nicer personalities.
That doesn't say anything except apparently you were only with some real nasty AW. Maybe the women in your family and that you dated were that way so that is your sole impression. The ones I know are all super clean, take shower ever day (2 if they work out), wear clean clothes every day, have perfect teeth, have nice skin....your perspective is obviously very different. I enjoy girls in Brasil and Czech as much as the next guy, but I'm just trying to provide some balance to your perspective. You're going to tell me that Christy Turlington and Natalie Portman are ugly next.
CBGBConnisur
10-03-05, 22:17
I am comparing foreign women to women I knew in New York who lived at some rather upscale addresses, these are women ranked among the top 2 percent of the US population in terms of income, and their grooming leaves a lot to be desired, even an Amsterdam prostitute dresses better than a lot of the women I meet in NYC. American women suck end of story.
Natalie Portman, beautiful? You must be smoking some potent shit I rate her a 7 out of ten. I will agree with you about Christy Turlington but a woman like that in the US is a rarity. I am in Europe right now traveling, and I see women of that calibre all over the place. Just because a woman comes from a foreign country and doesn't have a large bank balance, she is not a peasant. I have known lots of American women many of them who happen to have Ivy League degrees, have the letters MD or CPA behind them, and some of the ladies I have met in Europe and elsewhere outclass them in culture and sophistication.
Sinanju Master
10-03-05, 23:58
Lennox, I kind of envy the fact that you've seem to run into a few AW's who are NOT dysfunctional, soul-sucking money-pits. I WILL tell you, however, that your experience is a RARITY. To some degree or another, ALL AW's grow up believing in the "Princess Principle"; basically, they feel that they are to be fought over (not necessarily physical fighting) because they are "special". It is extremely RARE that an AW will bring attributes to the table that TRULY make it worth a lifetime commitment for a man to accept. I'm not talking about physical beauty, 'cos MANY AW's are physically attractive without the benefit of being just as beautiful INSIDE. Are these AW's of whom you sing prasies the types who would gladly recharge her man's vitality after having done battle with the rest of the world (for example: putting up with a crappy boss, getting a ticket from an asshole cop, or many other similar things that stress a person out) simply because she loves him and making him happy makes HER happy? Or (as is most likely) do they NOT want to hear about his problems (I'm not saying listen INCESSANTLY to the point of him driving her insane) and turn the conversation IMMEDIATELY about THEM? I'm not attacking you, but DO look closer at your experiences and NOT so much at face value.
i have yet to meet an american woman who did not believe one or more of the following:
-men should pay (dates, rings, vacations, etc), just because
-one in four women are raped (which is false).
-women should be given access to men's clubs, but men should not be given access to women's clubs.
-since the congress is 99% male, it is evidence that men conspire to hold women down.
-women are paid 76cents on the dollar (again this is false).
-men get women drunk to have sex (as opposed to women getting drunk to have an excuse to have sex).
-men and women are equal, but if women ruled the world, it would be a much better place.
-being a housewife or taking care of the husband (cooking meals) is slavery
-if a man doesnt like women in [category x] then he is a superficial bastard, but if a woman doesnt like men in [category y which is the male equivalent of x] then that is her preference.
-it is ok to hit a man, cause he deserved it, but you better not dare hit a woman back after she hits you.
the list goes on. i have quizzed the german women i met. this particular brand of feminism is foreign to them. but nearly every american woman i have met believes this nonsense. this is part of the reason why american women are trash. they simply believe that men are evil creatures.
what about your mother, was she scum? (if she was maybe that explains some of your problems with women)this is the typical attempt to shame men for pointing out the inadequacies of american women. to speak negative about women is tantamount to misogyny in the eyes of all women and their male defenders (cause it is simply impossible that any group of women could be intolerable, right?). the fact of the matter is, that it is a mother's duty to be good to her son. other women are under no obligation to men who are not their sons. therefore our mothers can not be compared to women in general. in any case, the fact that our mothers are american women does not mean that american women as a whole are above criticism.
Regarding recent conversation:
1. Hygiene-The only place in the world that I have encountered skanky poontang is the US of A. Granted, I haven't traveled extensively but...
2. Class and elegance. I believe Lennox referred to some girls as "peasants". I know a number of Czech prostitutes. They are basically mostly (at least to start with) poor girls from the countryside of a poor country. Yet, the vast majority of those girls, I would be completely comfortable putting a cocktail dress on, and taking them to a fancy party or a four star restaurant-they are thin, pretty, educated, witty, articulate, congenial etc. In fact, I strongly suspect that they would be substantively better in that environment than I myself would be. Conversely, comparing apples to apples, many of the wealthy US of A's "poor girls from the country", I would be embarassed to be seen with at KFC. I suspect that our friend Lennox is making the error of extrapolating from a small sample of high grade women he has the good fortune to be around, and doesn't get the full force blast of ***** behavior as an exotic foreign guy.
3. Lennox brought up our mothers. My Mother, who I do love dearly, is in fact badly "Oprahsized". Despite having a life that is more comfortable than 95% of the planet (lives in a big house with a fairly high degree of luxury, doesn't have to work, is able to lay around when she feels bad, has plenty of food and great health care) believes that she is downtrodden, opressed, and not treated fairly, and vocalizes her feelings on the subject frequently, often, and obnoxiouisly. I have tried to explain to her, that there are women in the world who have to scrub their husbands stained underwear on the banks of a river in 10 degree below zero weather, but this is to no avail. My Mother incidently grew up prior to the rotting effects of feminism-this sort of thing is only going to get worse.
By the way, I am not absolutely sure that this is the case, but I believe that our friend Domino has been labeled a "Serial Antagonist" as the result of a poll, and has henceforth been confined to his own forum threads in I believe Thailand and the Philipines.
Bart9K
CBGBConnisur
10-04-05, 12:48
Since the types of AWs Lennox Lewis is defending represent probably about 1 percent of the American female population where does this leave the 99 percent of American males? Not in a good position, even in the worst case scenario in a Western Euro or other country, I have found that at least 40 percent of the women were highly desirable.
Chocha Monger
10-04-05, 14:14
If you are searching for gold you go to an area that is known for having gold deposits. You don't wade through piles of pig shit just because there is an extremely small probability that if you did it long enough you might find a gold nugget in a pig turd.
Many guys come to this forum after spending many years and numerous dollars in search of the elusive reasonable American woman. They realize that the system is against them and that AW have no intentions of changing the system. Tyhigs77's earlier posting is an excellent summary of this system of beliefs and values. Even if an AW appeared to be a decent person, are you willing to risk finincial ruin and lose your kids if she should decide that you're not what she wants later or vice versa? American women don't just want some of it, they want all of it. Sure I have met some that talk a good talk but I have yet to see them walk the walk. Just remember that if you marry or have kids with an AW you're putting your head on a chopping block and handing her the axe with the hope that she will have mercy on you.
From all my experiences with White, Black. Asian American women. I think Black American women have the nastiest atitude of them all. I've been seeing this Eastern European woman for about a year. She's the best woman I've ever been around. She treats me like a king and she's drop dead gorgeous with none of the BS atittude typical of AW.
Women have the same diploma's as men.The same skils?
At the job they always find some stuped male ass to do there work.
It is easier to be the boss of hundred men than five women.
When something goes wrong, the computer has done it.
Think before you talk to her! She does not speak the same english!
Be very careful you dirty old man!
90 % complaining and 10 % work.
CBGBConnisur
10-04-05, 20:53
What balance are you talking about, Lennox? This puny thread versus the $1 Trillion US media conglomerates spreading the idea that American women look like Angelina Jolie and Britney Spears? Give me a break, people around the world have some false bullshit "Hollywood" image of the American female as being perfect, those women represent less than 1 percent of the real female population. A virtually penniless coal miner's daughter I met in Germany a few years ago, who I tragically lost, had more beauty, class, culture, and sophistication than all the AW celebrities combined.
Sinanju Master
10-04-05, 21:01
I had forgotten to tell Lennox that example you gave, Chocha. I was gonna put it in terms of looking for a SPECIFIC GRAIN OF SAND on a beach on BOTH SIDES of the Pacific Rim. THAT'S how rare this mythical creature is that Lennox speaks of. Take note that I did NOT say she is nonexistent, just extremely RARE. And yeah, what's to stop her from doing the "bait and switch" with her attitude (AND physique) and turning on you once you have the shackles (whoops! I meant RING) firmly affixed to you?
Like I said, I don't wanna bash Lennox, but I think MAYBE he hasn't examined his circumstances closely enough.
To Lennox, CBGB Chocha et al,
The facts are as follows;
We have the highest rates of obesity (male and female) in the world. It's getting so bad now, even the KIDS are turning into little porkers.
We have a high standard of living and high average wages to pay for it. This contributes to a sense of entitlement common in many women.
We have the most mixed-up gender roles for women. We also have a pervasive media influence that promotes these non-traditional roles for women.
What happens when these and other factors come together? Unattractive women who are confused, insecure and demanding. Much more so, to my way of thinking, than in other regions of the world where a more traditional way of living (and thinking) can still be found.
I'm sure there are lots of good women to be found just as Lennox stated in his recent post. As a matter of fact, I used to get laid (for free) on a regular basis. But that all changed as I got older. I noticed that, around age 30, it was getting harder and harder to find girls who just wanted to have some fun.When I was 21, I was confident, even fearless. By the time I turned 35, I would hardly even try saying Hi anymore.
It seems like there's a hardening process that occurs as girls get older. The nice ones get scooped up by the time they're in their mid 20's and all that's left are the ones that nobody wants. Guess which ones we're most likely to run into?
Rock
Sinanju Master
10-05-05, 02:32
AW's have the power to BE the one somebody wants if they don't squander their "powers" at their peak. Instead of planning for their future, they live TOTALLY in the moment until the day comes that they realize that they DON'T have the fabulous life they fantasize (but never planned for) about. That life consists of the fabulous house, the fabulous husband, the fabulous kids, the fabulous vacations, etc. Instead of planning to couple with the quality man they lament never having met, they're out constantly sampling bad boy convict types who would never CONCEIVE of sharing a life with the latest notch on his belt. When the time finally comes to take that step to couple with a man, they have to SETTLE for what they can NOW get, and THAT is far less than what they would have accepted in years past, OR they hold to the standards of years past, never realizing that they no longer wield the power of their earlier days and get NO ONE. Eventually, with BOTH situations (SOONER with the latter scenario) you have the creation of the Bitter B**** in her 30's who blames MEN for HER poor choices. To put it bluntly to AW's, "If you snooze, YOU LOSE". If you seek to BLAME someone, run to the nearest mirror...
CBGBConnisur
10-05-05, 05:02
Rock Dog is spot on, the unfortunate downside of prosperity is that people develop a sense of entitlement. This is all too common among North American and other Western women.
I agree with Rock Dog, Obesity for me is a decisive factor that drives me to overseas locales for my adventures. I love how thin and even waifish many women around the world still aspire to be. The feminist revulsion has made it ok for women to not only become porkers but also "buff" and too manly for my taste. Look at how USA dominates at sports like soccer where our man-women win all the events. Only the steroid taking chinese monsters of swimming are a more disgusting site. The obesity is really a revulting and disturbing trend. It is truly a disgusting and disgraceful situation with AW becoming the cows of the world. It is a national disgrace!
I think you guys may have a point, maybe my circumstances are different....ask Jackson how unique my circumstances are, he actually met an AW friend of mine.
I know there are still are some nice AW, but the situation is definately abysmal in the overall picture. Yes, college campuses have your hot young slutty freshman who want to show off their delicious 18 year old bodies and don't mind one night stands, but they are often treated badly and instead of being treasured as a precious resource they soon adopt the feminazi principles.
I wasn't trying to start dispute when I said there are exceptions to the horrid AW routinely detailed on this thread. For those who have not given up all hope of AW I think that most of the nicer more feminine types of women are in fields like nurses, teachers...ones that are more traditional female roles where empathy, kindness and nurturing are still rewarded. The lawyer types can be real soulless creatures. I guess all I was saying is that if you still have a dream of one day having a family and the monger life isn't bringing total fulfillment there is still some AW to consider along with all the international beauties.
complete bs.
i am currently taking nursing classes. let me tell you, the fact that a woman becomes a nurse is not correlated with a lack of misandry or even a more empathetic attitude (sorry to bust your bubble on that one).
this summer, i had a 4'11' 400lbs (guesstimate) woman teacher who said the following:
1. the reason why elderly men have erectile dysfunction is because they are too busy cheating on their wives in their younger years with the neighbor, the girl down the street, the girl at work, the girl at the bakery, the girl at the gym.
2. the main reason for divorce is because men pick women solely based on looks.
3. when the chinese immigrant man in class said that his wife left him, she said "you must have done something wrong!"
i had another female professor who swore up and down that women's lives are harder than men's, and therefore women are more likely to become depressed due to the stresses of "work and motherhood." i guess fathers, having to be the major breadwinner and having to deal with some nagging ameriwench dont have as much stress as women.
i have had 3 nursing instructors ask me why i want to be a nurse. they question my motives because i am male. now i have never observed a woman ask a female student why she wants to be a nurse. nope. i could be the only male in a group of 60 or more women, and i will be the one to be asked. something must be wrong with me if i want to be a nurse. some sinister motive, because only women are sweet, caring, affectionate, empathetic. after all, if women ruled the world, there'd be no war.
of course i shouldnt be complaining. i mean, everyday 1 in 4 women are raped by psychos who force alcohol down their throats.
I went to a Scores with a bunch of my friends and had a lapdance and her crotch stuck like rotten garbage. Woooo.. I noticed that the American bathrooms need bodees badly. There are none in our bathrooms but when I go to a foreign bathroom even in Brazil, they have bodees for women to wash their crotch. That may be one of the problems with hygiene. There are also 90% percent of them having implants. I like natural boobs that are found in foreign countries. They also have surgical scars from liposuction and the implants. That means that these are the fat women that are willing to fork out money to be thin to work in strip clubs. In New York, there is a McDonald's every 2 blocks. Also the restaurants open 24 hours 7 days a week while everything else closes. There is nothing else to do after 10PM but eat or go to the movies (and eat more junk food). I never had a smelly twat in Europe or South America. They are cleaner by far than AWs.
As far as hygiene is concerned I have to agree with CBGB and disagree with Lennox. But I do agree with Lennox that there are still a few AWs left. The way to weed them out is not to be pussywhipped. Being pussywhipped ATTRACTS feminazis. My older brother acted like the tough male so that repelled feminazis from him. Also, he moved out of New York which has laws that are more favorable to feminazis than any other part of the country. That explains why NYC women are such crap and why I am still single with my tough guy attitude. I did not take crap from a woman in NYC so she left me to search for a wimp she can control and walk over. He moved to Pennsylvania which is less of a feminazi state than New York. My brother is not pussywhipped by his wife and he keeps his wife in check. He is the boss of his family. He threatens to leave her if she gets out of hand and also fortunately for him, his wife grew up in a small suburban town where women typically have lower self esteem than the big city girls who think they are all that and a bag of chips. The women from smaller towns are more likely to stay married than the big city girls.
The reason women come out of college Oprahsized is because college forces ALL women students to take a woman's studies course which teaches them the philosophy of feminism. College in itself is feminist. I met my ex-fiancee who was a freshman at the time I met her while I was teaching courses in her school. Junior college does not offer these horrible women's studies courses so she was a great girlfriend. After she made it to a 4-year school called New York University, she was forced to take a woman's study course that was offered in all 4-year colleges. She met a rotten fat Black ***** and became the complete opposite of the girl I met. Instead of a relationship of give and take, She just takes, takes, takes, and demands more. She started making up "anniversaries" (meaning yearly) but these "anniversaries" happened more and more frequently and she started making me remember more and more non-sensical dates like "the time she got her first piercing, now buy me some jewelry". I put up with this BS for 2 more months but then left her and demanded the ring back or she suffers a lawsuit for a breach in contract.
2-year colleges don't offer these "How to be a feminazi" courses and that is why teachers, nurses and other women of these professions from 2-year colleges are the good ones and the rotten ones are the lawyers, CPA, and doctors from the 4-year schools. And this happened to me twice. My high school sweetheart quoted a book saying that "All men are dogs" and she went to Barnard College of Columbia University.
CBGBConnisur
10-05-05, 18:21
The real statistics are alarming over 80 percent of the American female population is overweight or obese, there are similar rates for the male population as well. Those of us who denigrate American women do it from years of experience and disappointment following disappointment, we have lived in America are whole lives so we know what we are talking about. Too many foreigners watch too much television and get the wrong impression of a country, TV is another form of mind controlling propaganda that paints a false image of many things. I can imagine how different the world would be if people stopped basing their beliefs on what they see on TV and go out and experience the world and people for themselves in the first hand view. Most people unfortunately will not and spend their lives as puppets. There are about 3 Billion women on the planet, with AWs making up only 150 million, less than 5 percent of the total population.
I recall traveling in Mexico with a friend and remembering what he said about the local women on how much more class and beauty the average local had compared to the average AW. The only real opportunity to meet those amazing foreign women is by leaving the US and living in another country. Statistically, very few Americans travel abroad, only about 5 percent of the population travel internationally and less than 10 percent of Americans own a passport.
The people outside of the US have some kind of false bullshit view that the average American female looks like Pamela A., she is hardly the representation of the TYPICAL American female. Roseanne Barr would be more typical, the fatter one before she lost a few pounds. Anybody ever see the Biggest Loser? Those porkers are very common in the States.
Actually AWs feel a sense of entitlement for being Rosanne Barrs because most American men are fat. Oprah brought up the point that it is not fair that American men can be hairy and fat so she says that American women should do the same- be hairy and fat. She feels that women are entitled the same right as men to let themselves go. American men have lead bad examples for the AWs. The average European, Asian, or South American man is thinner than the average American men. This is because the government enforces the healthy living laws in which restaurants must cook with a certain type of oil and must close during certain hours. This is very true because between the hours of 10AM-12PM, 2-4PM, and after 10PM, I could not find an open restaurant. Even some McDonald's closes at certain hours. They also do not cook with vegetable shortening or other saturated fats. They are required to cook with unsaturated oils. I am not saying that Europe doesn't have their share of porkers but as a whole, they are in better shape.
Since the damage has already been done, AWs are used to being fat pigs and see this as the norm for generations to come. The next generation of porkers do not understand why their mothers became porkers and they still act like they deserve and can attract a Chippendales' guy. This is also unfortunately true on the American men side. American men accepted the fat in AWs and marry the porkers because they don't travel and see that there is a better way. The Victorian way of men being doormats to women is embedded and taught to the younger generations.
Doctor_Skank
10-05-05, 22:29
DS:
It isnt a matter of governmental controls on restaurant opening hours, but rather a question of diet and self-control. It is easy enough to stay thin and athletic (or at least average) in America, but America is a society that breeds blaming others for ones own misfortune.
Americans are too fat simply because they eat too much and dont get enough exercise.
Sure there are lots of excuses... American cities are pedestrian unfriendly and you must drive everywhere, fried food meals are served 3 times a day, Americans tend to spend there evenings at home watching TV (and eating) as opposed to going out at night and stimulating their metabolism etc... but in the end it is all about excuses. If you are fat, it is because you did a lousy job of controlling your food intake or simply didnt care.
I love to eat and drink, but stop myself before overdoing it because getting fat would hinder my ability to attract the opposite sex, feel attractive and enjoy sex. If someone wants to be fat, thats their business and I have no problem with it. But they certainly shouldnt whine because they suddenly cant attract women.
http://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2003/01/31/how_many_america.php
Also another guy made a very valid point that Americans can go to a lot of other countries without passports. Of course that is also true of Mercosur. I just don't really believe that a lower percentage of Americans have been to another country as opposed to a lot of other countries' population. I'm trying to research this a little. Now what those Americans did in that foreign country is another story. Some ass hole PMed me the other day wanting to know if there was a Hooter's here in Argentina. There is, but why would you want to go there? Sigh. I guess some people do or it wouldn't stay in business. Or these fucks who go to Mexico to lie on the beach and never leave their resorts.
Or guys who run international sex forums and can't speak a foreign language.
CBGBConnisur
10-06-05, 01:48
Comparing Europe to America is like apples and oranges, its as if the two regions are on different planets. I have been in Europe for nearly 2 months, there is one big difference between Europe and the US, there is a lot less land and the population is more dense in Europe, the average European country has 500 people per square mile versus the US with less than 100. So on average you will run into five times as many people as you would in the US, looking at percentages, I would say a third of Europeans I would see in a given day are obese or overweight, the majority seem to be slender regardless of age, in contrast to what Darkseid said there are many places open late for a drinker to get a meal, I went to a stall in Dusseldorf, Germany at 2 in the morning still this is not as common as in the US. Even with this in mind Europeans seem to be a lot slimmer than most Americans but that is changing, there was a group of fat people I was sure were other Americans until the head of the family pulled out a burgundy passport that said United Kingdom. I have seen quite a few heavyset people in Australia but even a fat Australian would be chubby by US standards. Still European and even Australian cities are more pedestrian friendly than the typical city in Canada or the US.
As for me I am not overweight but quite well built, a product of weightlifting three hours a day in the world's biggest ex-prison, Australia.
We've all heard it,
the endless excuses that women come up with for why they are fat. It's genetic, I have big bones, it's my metabolism, I couldn't lose the pounds after the baby.... etc, etc.
Yeah, whatever. There are these twins that I used to know. Back when they were in their early 20's, they were both fairly hot. Nice bodies, blond hair blue eyes, the works. Now, according to a friend of mine, one of them still looks pretty good, while the other has gone downhill big-time (pun intended).
These are indentical twins. !00% same DNA, same build, same metabolism and everything else. The only difference is that one of them took better care of herself and the other one didn't give a damn. After 15 years, one still looks OK, and the other one looks the way she deserves to look.
Rock
ps. Tyhigs77 had mentioned a female comment about the reason for erectile disfunction. I believe ED occurs when a healthy adult male is stuck doing it with the same woman year after year. In my experience a little variety works just as well as Viagra.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/rel_chu_att
Out of 53 "countries" surveyed, the US had the 11th highest church attendance. Of course, Puerto Rico isn't a country, so either move the US up to 10 of 49 or combine these other American citizens and maybe it leapfrogs over Italy.
I have improved my results immeasurably by moving to #23 on the list. Here they say you go to church to get married and to get buried. I haven't met any young people who are church goers although most say they believe in god.
So at this point I believe the topic has been completely abandoned.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/rel_chu_att
Out of 53 "countries" surveyed, the US had the 11th highest church attendance. Of course, Puerto Rico isn't a country, so either move the US up to 10 of 49 or combine these other American citizens and maybe it leapfrogs over Italy.
I have improved my results immeasurably by moving to #23 on the list. Here they say you go to church to get married and to get buried. I haven't met any young people who are church goers although most say they believe in god.Good thing I spent a year with the sluts of Germany rather than in Poland, seeing as poland is number 5. But I still doubt it would be as hard to get a Polish girl (in Poland) in bed as it is to get an AW into bed.
In Germany, I dont think I met a single person who went to Church. What do you expect when everyone says "scheisse" (shit) in public, including 9 yr old girls.
Yes, the fat thing in the US really disgusts me. And all those lame excuses! As if our genes suddenly changed over the past 30 years. Why can't they just admit they are lazy gluttons? How refreshing would that be?
That "having kids" excuse really gets me. I've had a dozen Asian women in their 30's-40's who've had kids, & they have tight hot bodies. They don't blow up to 200 lbs & never take it off.
I turned down some clients last year, the chief reason being the whole family of five was morbidly obese. It made me sick to look at them.
It's such a shock to come back from Japan, where maybe 4% of the chicks are fat, to here, where it seems as if 85% are.
Deal Seeker
10-06-05, 07:17
complete bs.
i am currently taking nursing classes. let me tell you, the fact that a woman becomes a nurse is not correlated with a lack of misandry or even a more empathetic attitude (sorry to bust your bubble on that one).
this summer, i had a 4'11' 400lbs (guesstimate) woman teacher who said the following:
1. the reason why elderly men have erectile dysfunction is because they are too busy cheating on their wives in their younger years with the neighbor, the girl down the street, the girl at work, the girl at the bakery, the girl at the gym.
2. the main reason for divorce is because men pick women solely based on looks.
3. when the chinese immigrant man in class said that his wife left him, she said "you must have done something wrong!"
i had another female professor who swore up and down that women's lives are harder than men's, and therefore women are more likely to become depressed due to the stresses of "work and motherhood." i guess fathers, having to be the major breadwinner and having to deal with some nagging ameriwench dont have as much stress as women.
i have had 3 nursing instructors ask me why i want to be a nurse. they question my motives because i am male. now i have never observed a woman ask a female student why she wants to be a nurse. nope. i could be the only male in a group of 60 or more women, and i will be the one to be asked. something must be wrong with me if i want to be a nurse. some sinister motive, because only women are sweet, caring, affectionate, empathetic. after all, if women ruled the world, there'd be no war.
of course i shouldnt be complaining. i mean, everyday 1 in 4 women are raped by psychos who force alcohol down their throats.i had to quote this so i could come back to it.
I don't remember where I heard this opinion, but I tend to believe it:
Nurses tend to be some of the most dysfuntional women on the planet.
1. I suspect that many women become nurses in hopes of marrying a high income high status doctor
2. The emotional makeup of "needing to be needed" which can be an attractant to that type of career, can be an indication of emotional dysfunction.
3. Nursing is something of a rarity-a high income female dominated occupation. This can attract women who NEED to have a high income, such as single mothers who are not getting financial support for their children....
Granted of course, these are generalities-certainly there are exceptions, including my very emotionally stable Grandmother who was a nurse for 35-40 years.
That is all,
Bart9K
I have never met a nurse who would not suck my dick.
CBGBConnisur
10-07-05, 02:09
Lennox talks about a small minority of American women that make up only about 1 percent of the population. The vast majority of American women are completely fucked up, psychotic, skanky, feminazi, lying, two-face, bunch of bitchez and liars. I have been treated good by women abroad and its not because they thought I was some rich "American" or a walking green card, the majority of women I encountered treated locals just as well as they treated me, so its definitely something internal on the part of the women I meet not because they thought I was some golden ticket.
I agree with CBGB. The Brazillian woman I stayed with for 4 years while I was in Brazil did not want to come back to America with me, although she could have if she married me. She did not like the terrible events that was going on here with G.W. Bush in office and she also agrees that Brazil is more relaxed and much less stressful than it is here in New York City when she came to visit here with me on a short trip back to the US. She definitely did NOT want that greencard, period. She also did not like the competition that happens here in the US and the "keeping up with the Joneses" as a loud group of New York women sneered at her clothing and at me for being with her. One of them said to her," Where did you get that "fine" skirt? From the Salvation Army?" Then the rest of them laughed at her. I said to the *****,"Where did you get all that fat? From McDonald's or from Ben and Jerry's?" Then she turned her back at me and put her hand up. These bitches weren't even drunk and they wanted to pick a fight with my girlfriend. With that bad experience, she had a bad taste of what AWs are like, especially the big city ones.
Yes, the fat thing in the US really disgusts me. And all those lame excuses! As if our genes suddenly changed over the past 30 years. Why can't they just admit they are lazy gluttons? How refreshing would that be?
Yogin,
I can't agree with you more. I have never been to Japan, since I prefer Brazil, but all these fat women here in America disgust me. I walked into a restaurant yesterday and observed 10 women. All of them, every single one was 30-100 pounds overweight. The ones who are not overweight expect to be treated "special". I tell you, I am just tried of them.
RonnyRon
CBGBConnisur
10-08-05, 12:41
Regardless of who is President, women in America suck, Period. Only solution is to get out of the US. I like living down under, I get more vacations. I did meet an Australian woman who wanted to go to the USA, I thought she was a complete fuckwit and kicked her out. Even a lot of people in Australia think AWs look like Pamela A(who is not American but Canadian), I tell guys that their money will be better spent in Eastern Europe.
The reason women come out of college Oprahsized is because college forces ALL women students to take a woman's studies course which teaches them the philosophy of feminism. College in itself is feminist....
2-year colleges don't offer these "How to be a feminazi" courses and that is why teachers, nurses and other women of these professions from 2-year colleges are the good ones and the rotten ones are the lawyers, CPA, and doctors from the 4-year schools. And this happened to me twice. My high school sweetheart quoted a book saying that "All men are dogs" and she went to Barnard College of Columbia University.You're right that some colleges can often promote the feminist man hating agenda. It's not true those classes are mandatory or that they are forced to take these classes in women's studies. However, they do count toward graduation and the fact that nearly all major universities have tenured professors who spread the feminazi hate message is an abomination. Another joke is the politically charged "diversity" and African American studies professors.
CBGB it is funny you go to Australia which is very similar culture, obesity rates, overpriced escorts, divorce laws, etc.
If you were trying to escape Feminism and these "top 2 percent" and "99 percent" bad women you were stuck with in the States why did you go to a country that shares a similar culture, legal situation and obesity rate? What's the matter, couldn't learn another language?
CBGBConnisur
10-09-05, 05:24
I spend several months of the year outside of Australia, kind of the benefit of being a self-employed person. I initially wound up here because of my company, liked the outdoor lifestyle of Oz. On the surface, the country looks similar to the US but is very different, I won't go into too much detail because I can write an encyclopedia about the differences between Australia and the US having lived for a considerable amount of time in both places. In general Western women are not good for long term relationships, if you want a wife, go to Asia and avoid Australia, Latin America and Europe as women from these regions change quickly, but at least they are nice about it unlike the dreaded AWs. For short term fun, Australia is a great place. You have to be kidding me about the brothels being overpriced, a really nice place I saw quoted me in the US equivalent of about 130US for an hour and it looked quite luxurious with extremely attractive women, but I don't visit brothels much down under. Lennox can you tell us a little bit about yourself? I am wondering if you are that really lucky English guy who lives in Spain.
Lennox, I want to hear your response you FUCKTARD. Maybe if I run into you in Sydney I'll feed your mouth with my fist.
Lennox and CBGB, there is no need to argue about who is better- Australia, Latin, European, or Asian. They ALL are better wives and much more marriageable than American Oprahsized women. In fact America is the pioneer of feminism. American women wrote all that crap about men being dogs and the "You go girl" attitude of Oprah.
Back in high school, I used to have very low self esteem. Big city American women are great at doing that to men and making them feel like shit just for nicely asking them out. I get the typical, "Get away from me squinty eyes" response from these girls in high school when I try to ask them out. I never hooked up in high school or college here in the US but when I competed in an International Wu Su (kung-fu) forms tournament in Sydney Australia, the girls there were much friendlier and I got a date with a nice girl who was in the audience. Hmmm, I hooked up one week when I was in Australia and all these years in the US in high school, I couldn't even get one date (I never even went to the prom because of this and I don't consider myself a least bit ugly. I compare myself to Russell Wong but shorter. However, there is a negative thing going on here in the big cities in the US against Asian men). This shows that Australian women are much less racist and much nicer than these AW assholes. I even gained much more self confidence and self esteem because of my trip to Australia- a benefit of being in the kung-fu team. I never tried the brothels because I didn't know of them and I was travelling with a team but from reading posts from different sex-guides, the information is consistent that you can get laid by a private girl or a brothel for $100 to $150 US dollars.
In college, with the knowledge that it is not me but the women here, I did not feel at all bad about a sexual dry spell. My dry spell in college was solved by my Brazillian room-mate who took me to Brazil and introduced me to the martial arts of Capoeira. He also took me to the Termas after a disgraceful trip to a lap-dancing club in NYC. I admitted to him that I was a virgin and he says he sees why. He did hook up with college girls but they never put out. He wanted to show me how much of a better time I could have gotten for the price of 2 lapdances or $40 (which was the price back in the early nineties for a lay in a terma) so he took me on a trip to Brazil. After showing me the termas and shedding my virginity, I met his friend girl and she was incredibly nice to me. She served me as though she was a slave but I rewarded her by taking her to expensive restaurants (by Brazillian standards but inexpensive by ours) and she got the hint that I was taking her on a date. That night we had passionate sex and that was my first non-pro sex. This NEVER happened to me back in the US because of feminism and prudity which is that 2 headed monster in AWs mentioned earlier.
Perhaps my American experience would have been different is I grew up in a less racist part of the US such as Nevada, where I had hooked up in 2 different short term relationships in Las Vegas. I consider myself a big bity girl-o-meter because the big city girls tend to be more bitchy to me. This is because they are annoyed at the big Asian population in big cities due to the enormous influx of Asians immigration to big cities. Smaller towns, unless they are members of the KKK, tend to treat Asians with better respect, including Nevada women. The girls I did hook up with are one from the Clark county region in Las Vegas, and the other one from a small town of Beatty in Nevada. I was treated like a boyfriend by them but I credit this to physical attraction and a free meal ticket and shows. These girls made good dates for the short term and was even wild in bed but they are still less marriageable than Australian or European women because I cannot keep taking them out on dates every day for the rest of my life or I'll go broke. Unfortunately, most of our jobs are in the big cities and that is the only source of income for most of us on the board so most of us deal with big city girls and have a bad taste for American women. There are Oprahsized bitches in the smaller towns also but these are bitches who spent time in big cities and are assimilatied into the ideas of Oprah. Mostly these are older women in their 30s or abused women by scumbag ex-boyfriends or husbands. The abused women adopt feminism as a defense against the next man they meet which is unfortunate because they don't learn that not all American men are like their former boyfriends or husbands.
As for the laws, most countries have the half during marriage and this is decided by a judge with no lawyers involved. The judge just makes a mathematical calculation of the total monies made by both parties DURING THE MARRIAGE and just splits it down the middle. Here in the US, it is the lawyers that causes the imbalance of distribution of wealth favorable to the wife. He presents thw wife as a victim so the judge is swayed towards giving the wife everything. The husband is made out to be a scumbag even if the wife cheats and the lawyers always point the finger at the husband saying he is a bad husband. If we get rid of ALL divorce lawyers men would have more fair divorces. Also part of this lies in how much a woman wants to take advantage of these lawyers and laws and AWs take full advantage of this and then some. Less feminist women such as Australian, European, Latina, or Asian women are less likely to take advantage of it even if presented to them. A woman I know who is from germany who now lives here was satisfied with just the bare minimum of $200 a month from her ex-husband's paycheck just to feed and raise the 2 children they had together and they are greencardrd here and allowed to work in the US as teachers. By the same token, I know of a co-worker of mine who divorced a bitchy AW and she is taking $1500 a month for child support and alimony (and that is after tax dollars out of $2180 take home!!)
CBGBConnisur
10-10-05, 00:10
Lennox reminds me of Sporadic, a Briton who lives in Spain and claims he met a "desirable" AW. American women suck, darkseid, finally someone who agrees with me about Australian females versus AWs.
Frequent Flier
10-10-05, 01:38
Just to give those international members a little taste of just how screwed up it is at times for men in the USA and possibly why AW are the way they are.
My brother made the mistake of marrying an AW. Now in fairness I will tell you that when they met and married they were both abusing drugs and not living very respectful lives by anyone's standards. To the point. She became pregnant and after two kids my brother straightened out and went on his way to try his best to become a proper father of two boys, ages 2 and 3 years old. During and after the divorce the courts always put heavy responsibility on my brother for everything that happened to his ex-wife. Even though she had multiple drug arrest before they met, the courts always made it seem as if it was my brothers fault his ex-wife had a drug problem and that she was so screwed up in general. He was awarded primary custody of the children because the ex-wife was in drug rehab and had felony warrants for her arrest. But she was allowed visitation rights, or should I say he was forced to give her visitation rights one weekend a month. These were court ordered supervised visits at her parents house with her parents, the very people who f****d this chick up to begin with. Of course her parents would just let the ex-wife take the children to her apartment where there was no supervision for those visitation weekends. This ***** did it all, exposed 4 and 5 year olds to porno, neighbors would find a 4 year old walking the streets and somehow find the way to this little boys apartment where the neighbor would find the apartment door wide open and the F****D up mother passed out on the couch at 3:00 PM in the afternoon, unable to wake her she was so f****d up.
The ex-wife exposed the kids to drugs as well of course. All the while my brother would make complaint after complaint to Social Services and get nothing. However my brother was arrested twice on charges of digital penetration of his children, charges made by his ex-wife. Of course the charges were false and dropped, but not until after extensive investigations and interviews by Social Services of the children which is an abuse of the children in and of itself. The Mother was never arrested for anything and never refused visitation with her kids. I do not how many times my brother went to court. The wives attorney would always make sure that the judge was some feminist B**** or a male judge who had been brain washed. Finally, the children became old enough and aware enough to realize that they wanted nothing to do with their f****d up mother. The courts have never refused her visitation rights. Also she has never paid one dime in support of the children. This is very typical of the system in the USA. Yet night after night you will see some special about what they call "dead beat dads" for not properly taking responsibility for their children. Now I agree that guys who do take on their responsibilities are scum bags and there are many out there, but with the courts they way they are you never know what is the real story.
A second item I heard on the comedy channel the other night. The comedian was going on about women winning about equal pay. He stated that the reason why there is not equal pay is because when the ship is sinking or the house is burning it is always children and women first. When it becomes children and then everyone else for themselves, then you can have equal pay.
My two cent form a guy lucky enough not to fall for the trap before I was able to travel to Hong Kong and figure it out.
On another note. My previous job required me to travel to Hong Kong many times a year. I would on most of these trips take a customer from the USA to Hong Kong with me. About 90% would leave Hong Kong saying that we spoiled and screwed up all the women in the USA. The 10% that didn't say that were always recently married or soon to be married, so they would pass on the activities.
FF
women as a whole do make less money than men. this is not due to discrimination. this is due to choices made by women. first women choose lower paying fields. men know that they wont gain respect if they dont earn a certain income. so men choose the higher paying fields, such as computer science, engineering and other math and science related fields. women tend to go for social sciences and humanities, which do not pay as much. an administrative assistant/office manager/secretary is going to make much less than a software engineer.
also, women pick flexibility of hours over a higher pay rate. they'd rather go home at 3pm than make x more dollars per hour if it means they have to stay til 6pm.
women dont work as many years as men. many women will quit work as soon as they marry a man who makes enough to support them both. or they quit to become full time moms. or they take on part-time positions. (aside: there was an article just last week about freshman women at ivy league schools who dont intend to use any of their education, but instead want to become housewives or at most part-time workers.) men simply do not have the option of marrying a richer woman and then quitting work (because few women will take on a man of lower status than herself, society as a whole doesnt respect this type of man, and in divorce, unlike the woman, he wouldnt get alimony or the house).
lets not forget that after women do take their multiple year break to raise their children, they will have less experience than their male peers who graduated in their same class year. because they have less experience, they will be paid less for the same job. things just work that way.
when all things are held equal - years of job experience, eduacation, and job field - women make $1.01 for every $1.00 men make.
the misleading government reports that indicate that women are paid less compare the "median" income between men and women. this is useless. "median" simply means "the middle." so it does not indicate anything. a true comparison can only be done by comparing the "means", which is the average salary men make compared to the average salary women make. this is not done because the gov sponsors feminists groups who make these misleading reports.
completely made up example: here are the weekly wages of five men and five women:
men: $500, $500, $475, $250, $25
women: $900, $650, $300, $100, $100
median wages for men: $475
median wages for women: $300
ooooh! wage gap! discrimination!!!!!
not really. the highest paid woman earns more than the highest paid man. the lowest paid man earns less than the lowest paid woman. yet the median for men is higher.
even better, let's take the mode (most common wage):
men: $500
women: $100
oooh! major discrimination! sexism!!!!! (same numbers. bigger apparent discrimination.)
now let's take the mean:
men: $350
women: $410
hey, now men are being discriminated against with exactly the same numbers!!!!
CBGBConnisur
10-10-05, 15:00
The way European and a lot of other foreign women raise their children is far better than what is happening in America today. I remember reading about how some lady bought her kid Grand Theft Auto and the kid got ideas from the game. You also after remember that infamous ***** Susan Smith.
I'm not interested in getting in a flame war here, not my style and certainly not why I come to this board. I agreed with much of what you said, I just thought I'd point out that Australia is most certainly not the place to go to escape westernized women. Now you're saying you want to beat my ass if I ever go to Sydney because I pointed out AW and Aussie women have similar obesity, similar divorce laws, similar English culture....
There are plenty of other internet sites where you can find people to argue with, I'm not even arguing with you, I agreed with the basic premise of this thread!
By the way thanks for the warm invitation, but at this current time I'm not interested in meeting a dude who brags about his weight lifting ability and who has emotional problems that manifest themselves on internet message boards. Have a nice life.
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Well said Tyhigs. Today, more women hold CEO positions than men which is only 1% of the positions. Women do have the same opportunities careerwise as men so the government's use of MEDIAN is a conspiracy against men and a way women can grab hold of power here in America. This median thing also blinds the majority and brainwashes people so nothing can be done about the feminazi takeover. Remember, this country is all about votes and as long as the feminiazis has everyone else ignorant about this using false statistics, we are screwed as the minority. That is how Bush got into office, through ignorance of the American people brainwashed by the clergy. The MEAN tells a better story because we must average that $1Billion that a woman makes to the average. The median doesn't do that.
In addition, women have all the other advantages like divorce, a free meal ticket from guys, and free ladie's night. They can also prostitute themselves out of poverty where a guy is stuck there because there is no market for man-prostitutes in the AW market because AWs are prudes. If a man has to be a prostitute, the only option here is to be gay, yuck!!!
Chivalry was supposed to be an equalizer for the fact that women make the children and had less power than men but nowadays, they have more power. We should have a society that men and children get let out first and women should sacrifice themselves if they want this power. Forget the "Be a man" attitude. AWs are not worth saving in a case of a fire because they are unappreciative. This rule was put there by AWs and brainwashed men to make asses of us.
Lennox,
Aussie women have the same access to the same things like fast foods 24/7 (unlike Europe where most places close certain hours to "set-up"), divorce laws, or the English language and culture but they are by NATURE much friendlier than American women and would not capitalize on these things like the AW bitches. It is westernized no doubt but still more tolerable than AWs. Aussie women don't try to bend the laws with scumbag lawyers like AWs do. An Aussie, European, South American, or Asian divorce is a clear-cut half DURING the marriage with lawyers trying to make sure no one is cheating each other. In an American or Canadian divorce, the wive can get EVERYTHING a man owns- his house, cars, kids, paycheck, dogs, and there is no limit!! The lawyer's job for the woman is to clean the man out. The lawyer for the man's job is to hide his assets because there is no way to save them from the feminist judge.
Lennox, I think you are entitled to your opinions and that's what makes this board more interesting. Also if anyone is wrong, I like to correct them rather than pick fights with them. CBGB, if Lennox is wrong on some topics, let's correct and educate him rather than being violent.
Darkseid is correct, AW have the upper hand in the courts and the sad thing is the American guy is happily watching Monday Night Football, drinking beer with his buddies and thinking he's still got the power. The fact is men have very few legal rights in the USA and the balance of power has shifted. Just watch any of these shows like Oprah that demonize men and where all the discussions revolve around selfish motives and NOT about how to be a better loving and caring girlfriend or wife but how to "get what you deserve" out of a marriage and a man.
There are some exceptions, but the key is to meet the girl young, and keep your pimp hand strong. By that I do not mean to beat your girl, but to establish early that you are not some pussy-whipped male who is needy and deseprate to get laid. Besides avoiding the obvious trailer park trash, ghetto scum and other undesirable females one should be also be wary of females who feel they have been mis-treated badly and internalize that experience. Basically try to find a happy girl who will make you happy to be around. Otherwise you could end up meeting the female equivalent of a CBGB, walking around with a serious chip on their shoulder and a bad attitude that will bring you down too.
This is a great and very funny site about the subject matter of marriage to an AW:
http://www.nomarriage.com/
i've met a few guys from australia who were raped by their divorce. in fact one of them left the country to go live in colombia because he got fed up with the aussie women.
CBGBConnisur
10-10-05, 18:16
I'm not interested in getting in a flame war here, not my style and certainly not why I come to this board. I agreed with much of what you said, I just thought I'd point out that Australia is most certainly not the place to go to escape westernized women. Now you're saying you want to beat my ass if I ever go to Sydney because I pointed out AW and Aussie women have similar obesity, similar divorce laws, similar English culture....
There are plenty of other internet sites where you can find people to argue with, I'm not even arguing with you, I agreed with the basic premise of this thread!
By the way thanks for the warm invitation, but at this current time I'm not interested in meeting a dude who brags about his weight lifting ability and who has emotional problems that manifest themselves on internet message boards. Have a nice life.
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As far as Australian women there is an increasing number of Eastern European and Asian women here. There is cheap airfare to Asia for those who want to go and Australians tend to take long vacations. Anyone working a fulltime job in Australia gets about 4 weeks a year, some places give the option to extend this to 8 and many Australians who have been working for while take a couple of months off. When you have this much time you can go to a lot of places, in places like Sydney and Melbourne, I see a travel agency on every other block, people here get opportunities for exciting international travel more often than in the US. I spend three months of the year outside of Australia. Like I said if you did not READ, the Australian women are good for Short Term fun, they are good when times are good and not so great when times are sour, in the long run they aren't so great for relationship but the sex is good, fyi Western European women are similar in this regard. Still they are a considerable improvement over bulldyke American females who are the ultimate incarnation of evil. At the very least you will get plenty of good sex in these places. If you are looking for a wife material type, you will have to avoid another industrialized country and try Latin America or some parts of Asia but the latter is developing at a rapid pace so they won't be much different than what you find in the West. I have a lot of Asian friends from Singapore and Hong Kong and they tell me that the Asian women in both places are very superficial but both places are rich and affluent areas.
Every AW I have met wants a nice rich meal ticket husband that will give them a life of luxury and put them on a pedestal. In other countries, women still look for a breadwinner but they seem to be more realistic about it. AWs are no good for STR or LTR. In my experience for STR, Western Europe(EU) and Australia are about equal, for LTR you need to go to SA, Eastern Europe or Asia.
I see most women below the age of 40+ as having unrealistic expectations, bitter, angry, extreme emotional and mental problems, unpredictable behaviour, difficult to be around and just have a plain old good time with, difficult to please, moods that vacillate constantly, taking exorbant amounts of medication, not able to keep a goal in mind and complete it, complain and nag, highly negative and far too masculine in my humble opinion, eat too much, enjoy fast food far too much, expect for the guy to pay everything, base most of their joys on going out clubbing, purchasing clothes, and finally: status
Most of them invest a lot of effort into making themselves appear pretty, special, and different than other females, but it is completely transparent.
The modern American female is an empty shell of a human being, and apparently there are few exceptions.
Australia, Canada, USA.
3 different countries with a common cultural and linguistic background. Yet things seem to be different in these countries. Canada and the States are extremely similar when it comes to women. Australia (according to some posts) seems to be noticeably better when it comes to finding some short term fun from the local girls.
In my opinion, there's always an underlying reason for differences like this. CBGB may have given the best clue in his recent post. Aussie guys are located fairly close to some of the best mongering locations in the world. Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia, the Phillipines and let's not forget Thailand! What's more, these guys have the money AND the time to go enjoy themselves.
It occurs to me that Aussie women face a higher level of competition for the attentions of their men. I think this is one major reason why they generally have a better attitude. "You don't wanna put out? Fine, I'll head to Manila for a month and screw 20 or 30 little Filipina babes while I'm there!"
Imagine what would happen if the average guy here could do the same thing.
Rock
Let's hear some posts from some WSG members in Europe. I'll bet the same thing is going on the countries that border on the former Soviet Bloc countries.
I find it hard to imagine (for example) a German/French/Belgian girl holding out on her boyfriend when he can easily drive over to the next country and get some hot young Czech or Slovakian babe to be his woman.
Rock
Chocha Monger
10-11-05, 01:13
A few nights ago I accompanied an English guy to a pool hall. There were two AWs playing on the pool table next to our own. One of them was a fat dyke looking blond with too tight clothing and a big gut that jiggled and rippled everytime she bent over the pool table and shot a ball into the pocket. The other one was a short once petite brunette with a pretty face and long silky hair but her ass was in the early stages of an expansion and strained against the seams of her jeans.
The dyke blond got a call on her cell and began cursing out someone at full volume. The caller appeared to be some female who lost the keys to her trailer and needed some assistance from Miss Jiggles. After she hung up half an hour passed with relative calm. Then the brunette got a call on her cell from her boyfriend who wanted her to come home. She proceeded to curse that poor bastard very loudly and the entire pool hall turned to look at her. She would stop every few minutes to take her turn at the table, smoke a cigarette or swallow some beer and then return to cursing the poor bastard with even greater zeal. There was a guy accompanying these two AWs from hell and he put his head down and fiddled with his fingers in obvious embarassment but he was too intimidated to even make a suggestion that they behave a little less shamelessly.
Some of the other male patrons in the establishment egged the brunette on by saying things like, "Tell it to him baby!" and "He ain't treating you right honey!" They seemed to condone her rotten spoilt child behavior. I suspect that they were hoping to take her home after she finished cursing her boyfriend over the phone and possibly dumping him. The English guy was disgusted and said that was one of the reasons that he wouldn't date an AW, they were way too bitchy. However, it was an even greater shock to him that the men seemed ready to line up for a chance to go out with these women and be subject to the same treatment eventually, and the fact that they were not asked to leave by the management.
I touched a few weeks ago on the subject of even AW's behavior being better in places where men have easy access to a national border, such as San Diego, Seattle, etc.
Bart9000,
That's 100% right. In fact it was your post that gave me the idea when I read what CBGB said in his post. I think that anywhere you find a nearby country where the local guys can access a supply of eager females, the local women seem to have a better attitude.
They might not be conciously aware of it, but I'm sure it affects their behaviour to some degree.
Rock
CBGBConnisur
10-11-05, 12:57
The major factor with Australia is its proximit to Asia and that unlike North America, Australians get at least four weeks off a year. In many cases, a lot of Australians take a month off, so they can run off to Asia if the sheilas become a pain in the ass. North Americans have been pressured into being "gentlemen" while in other areas its a bit different. I have seen guys in Europe full out burping in front of women, I have even seen this in Oz.
Bart has a good point about guys border hopping for a better girl. I have an easier time getting laid in Las Vegas than in New York. Guys from the southern west coast have the option of driving 3 hours to Mexico (San Diego is just a walk away from the border and it is the most fit state in the US because the AW have some competition) to do some chicas while here in New York, I would have to travel on a 4 hour flight to Dominican Republic as the nearest sex destination. Montreal is okay for mongering but for they can be just as racist and prejudice against older men as Americans for local sex. They also make you pay for everything. However, there are fewer porkers than here in New York.
Here's an Interesting webpage with statistics on homosexuality around the world:
http://dienekes.ifreepages.com/blog/archives/000404.html
Geez, we are second. AU is first but they are more bisexual than being in the "boys-only" club. AWs drive the non-travelling typical ignorant American man into homosexuality because the non travelling American dude does not know any other alternative. Thank god for foreign women. I would probably be one of those statistics if ALL women were like AWs.
CBGBConnisur
10-11-05, 17:54
i was surprised about australia having that high a rate because this country is extremely hostile to homos, its not rare for someone to get beaten here for being a fag. there is a strong redneck mentality in australia, some of it has rubbed off on me. [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and violence against women is a lot higher in the us than in europe because the latter has legal prostitution.
I bet a disproportionate amount of people who have slept with the same sex are women. Women are herd creatures, and they tend to follow whatever trend is popular at the moment. A recent survery showed that by 4-5 percentage points, more women would rather sleep with Angelina Jolie than Brad Pitt.
American women are sick creatures.
I never considered homosexuality. I did discover Quebecoise at the tender age of 17. So I wanted to move there badly. Then I met a Swedish girl when I was 19, heard about european women, then I took off.
I still thought something was wrong with me for quite some time in between the Swedish girl and my trip to Europe. But just realizing that everything is about status, and what they can get from us while giving nothing in return, has increased my self esteem greatly. I was seriously depressed before my trip. Now it is like a heavy burden has been lifted off my chest.
It's funny how AW dont even find you attractive until you are in the top ten percent of men. Just shows their mentality. If you gain 40lbs of muscle and/or pull up in a Porsche, all the bitches who thought you were beneath them will want to be the first one to give you head.
CBGBConnisur
10-11-05, 22:08
Ty pretty much said it good, I gained one of two things AWs like, muscle, from working out a lot down under do lack of fewer activities versus NYC, going to the gym is a great way to meet some nice pussy down under. One thing that troubled me about Europeans is their lack of good hygiene. I really didn't notice it until I spent some time there, sitting in between 2 young German women who were quite attractive on a flight to Europe from Oz, I noticed a strange odor, and realized it was coming from them. Still a bar of soap would correct that, one of them really digged me and was studying English and asking me to tutor her little bit, at 19 but legal, still she was too young for me.
Chocha Monger
10-11-05, 23:16
You can add 40 lbs of fat and pull up in a Porsche and American chicks will still be in line to suck your dick. Like one AW told me once, "Muscles are nice but money is better."
I have a friend who looks like a toad, only much larger. You wouldn't believe how much young AW pussy he pulls, they almost trip over themselves to get their claws in him when he goes out. What is his secret? Well, he owns two bars in popular party areas and he has two private planes along with a pilot on the payroll. Regardless of what you look like AWs will fuck you if you have enough money period.
CBGBConnisur
10-11-05, 23:33
chocha said it pretty good, have a lot of money and women in the us will go after you, even if you look like quasimodo. donald trump is not handsome, no matter what his ego tells him. with his money he could get a good hair implant instead of that silly toupee thing, an fue procedure which averages 10k is pocket change to him. bill gates is ugly, but melinda is woof woof material, i'm sure he's got plenty of honeys on the side.
You want to know what's REALLY funny?
Donald Trump, Mr. Megabux king of New York real estate, who epitomizes the type of man those NYC b*tches would love to get...... He could have any one of those women, and who does he go for? An Eastern European woman!!
And not just once mind you, but twice. Could this be Trump's way of saying to AWs, "You're fired" :D
Rock
Background: I'd talk to this girl during class breaks, and she'd wait after class just to talk to me. When she comes into class, we make eye contact. She always smiles and winks at me. I dont think signs with women get any clearer than this. Every light was green.
So today I asked her during the break if she'd like to hang out on saturday. i didnt even get into the suggestions as to what we would do. She just said "We'll see."
The only answer I want to hear is "sure" or if not that then "thats not a good time. How about [insert date and time here]."
Do women just like to look at me, flirt with me or what? Hard to get one to actually say yes.
I'm not hurt or upset because I have encountered this numerous times. I promised myself that I would try with 5 more girls before giving up and going back to European girls only. Now? Forget it! I'm done chasing them, because this is probably somewhere around the 40th time in the last 3 years that some c-u-n-t has used me to validate her ego.
They abuse every signal that any decent person would use to see if the other person is interested in them. If I cant gauge with any degree of certainty if they are interested in hooking up with me rather than using me to boost their self esteem (so they can see if they are attractive enough for me to hit on them just so they can turn me down and then laugh behind my back with their GFs), then why should I bother?
So much for one woman being different from all those other bitches. I was actually hoping she might be different. I have a better chance of finding a diamond in a pile of shit than finding a decent American woman even if I lived 10 lifetimes.
I'm not an unattractive guy either (maybe that's what makes me an attention-***** magnet). I'm 5'11'' 210lbs, muscular, square jaw, broad shoulders. What else could they want ? (Oh, money. Nevermind.)
Next time some girl winks at me, I'm giving her the finger.
Ty-It doesn't even necessarily have to be "validating her attractiveness". Maybe she wants to copy your homework. Maybe she wants to make another guy in the class jealous. Maybe she is bored. Maybe she wants you to buy her lunch for her....The point is that this little ***** has things to gain from yanking your chain, and very little to lose from it.
The pseudo lesbian thing gets on my nerves. It was hot at first, but now the sexual frustration that could be alleviated by cutting out the crap and submitting to a man now can be handled by a girlfriend-it is pretty much socially acceptable, some girls even brag about it. Yet even another blow to gender relations.
CB's body odor issue-I understand that in some of the Western European countries, showers are not available frequently for some reason. I don't know what it is. I know a girl (ardent feminist, but believe it or not, we get along), who spent time in France. She was, despite being accostomed to bathing daily, unable to do so, and by her own admissions, became quite "ripe"
I laughed my ass off this week. I knew a little prettyboy that all the girls swooned over and threw themselves at. He was by his own account, a big stud that got mad ass. Recently I found out, that he just came out of the closet, and is dating his male boss. Looks like the bitches are going to have to bite the bullet and find am actual MAN.
That's Life! magazine survey (Dec 9 2004) questioned 5,000 women, average age 38, across England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland on their attitudes to truth, relationships, and behaviour.
# The overwhelming majority (96%) admit to lying.
# Almost half (45%) of the 5,000 questioned told the researchers for That's Life! magazine they tell lies most days.
# Half of all women would lie to their husbands or partners to keep their relationship going if they became pregnant by another man, a survey said today.
# Figures showed one woman in two would not tell her man that the baby she was carrying was not his - if she wanted to stay with him.
# They also said four out of ten (42%) would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant, in spite of the wishes of their partner.
# Eight out of ten women (83%) admit to telling "big, life-changing lies", with 13% saying they do so frequently.
# Partners (70%) are most likely to be lied to by women, with friends (65%), parents (64%), customers and clients (58%) and bosses (57%) also being deceived.
# Six out of ten (57%) admitted to stealing something, while one in four had taken from their parents. A quarter (23%) would "sneak a bottle or two" home if they were invited to a party by a well-off friend.
# Half (49%) would "kiss and tell" to the media for £25,000 if they had a one-night stand with a celebrity, and 38% say they would marry purely for money. 23% would allow their man to sleep with another woman for £50,000.
# Meanwhile, some 79% have got drunk at the office Christmas party, while a third admit to "getting off with someone they don't fancy" and 5% have ended up having sex with the boss.
# An alarming 31% of all women say they would not tell a future partner if they had a sexual disease. This rises for 65% for single women.
# Nearly half (46%) fake orgasms and more than half (55%) claim they are tired, have a headache, or feel ill to "get out of lovemaking".
# A fifth of women with a long-term partner (19%) say they have cheated on him by having an affair, while 30% of all women have had an affair with a married man.
# Most women (68%) do not trust their partner.
I have to quote in this situation Chris Rock.
Men and Women both lie.
However, men tell lies like "I was at John's house"
Women tell lies like "Its your baby"
As shocking as the below stated, remember that as commonly acknowledged, these are UK women......American women are WORSE, due to lack of legal prostitution (Brit guys have easy access to Amsterdam, and Eastern Europe), and as I understand it, more draconian divorce laws. As a guess, I would say multiply all percentages by 1.25.
this may be off the topic of aws but recently my co-workers asked me when i am getting married and have kids. my mother asked me that also. i responded to them that i am a man and i don't have a biological clock like women do. i plan to marry and settle down with kids when i retire. they then said that that would be too late. i then responded with a shopping list of reasons not to do it now and also people that had families late in life. heck, with science, even women over 50 can have healthy non-retarded kids. here is a comparison of advantages of fatherhood in retirement versus pre-retirement:
a retired father can make the kids his hobby. he spends lots of time with his kids and there is no balancing time in the office versus time with kids. he can take them anytime he wants to amusement parks, go to their plays or support them in their competitions.
a working father on the other hand considers his kids a financial obligation. he spends 40 to 80 hours of his week in the office and must balance the time between his career and fatherhood. he only has the weekend to spend with his kids if he is lucky not to be bogged down with other financial obligations (or if he has to go to a weekend meeting at his job or has to work weekends running a business, doing a case, or in the hospital as a doctor.) has to miss important times of a kid's life because of work.
a retired father has paid off all financial obligations such as the mortgage, car debts, etc. he also has money banked if he didn't get married and/ or divorced before retirement. he even has a 401k plan which pays him a sum of money every month without even lifting a finger. he can buy his kids all the latest toys, clothings, electronics, and trends. he even has money leftover for gifts to relatives and nephews and nieces.
a working father still has a mortgage to pay off and risk of losing his home if he gets fired, laid off, or divorced. he has no money saved because he supports his kids and wife even for basic needs like clothing, and food. he is at the mercy of his boss and he even has a second boss- his fat aw wife!! he always must explain to his whiny kids why they can't afford the latest games, toys, or clothing and must put up with the kid's crying that he is denying the kids what they want. sometimes he even borrows money from his retired parents or from relatives.
a retired father can better manage and discipline their children. they can watch their kids 24/7 and catch any bad behavior. my co-workers keep telling me that i'll have less energy to manage the kids. au contrair, i won't be tired after a 50 hour a week job and i can sleep more, thus having more energy to tame children. i can even do this as a single father because i have no job to worry about.
a working father is too caught up in the career to guard or discipline their children. in fact 90% of all bad behavior in children happens in right when they get out of school to when the parent's just get home from work. the worst children are the ones raised by working single mothers who work until 7 and get home at 8:30. the children never see their mother and they could get away with things unsupervised. their father is divorced and also works a 9 to 6 or 7 career. even in 2 parent houses this happens because both parents work and come home late because america has a growing trend towards mandatory longer work hours and it is one of the most expensive places to live in the world. that is why nyc still has the worst crime rate among children and the stats hide this to make the mayor look good.
a retired father is more patient and nurturing to their kids. they don't have the added stress of a job. they also don't run a rat race of working and keeping up with the bills with extra mouths to feed. they therefore have better relationships with their children. in fact, my grandmother treated me better than my mother because she did not have to work 24/7 just to feed me. my grandmother had a pension and just used that to feed me. she was the daycare center for me and my brothers while my parents were both out working.
a working father sometimes resents his children because they are a financial obligation. they get angry with their kids for spending too much of their hard earned money on trendy clothing, games, or other gadgets or for running up their family share plan cell phone bills. i, too, was punished by my father for buying an almost complete collection of "transformers" with my allowance so my father put any further allowance in the "college fund". i resented my parents at the time because kids at an early age don't understand the deeper meaning of things but now, i understand my father's predicament for having me at such an early age.
retired fathers also make better husbands. they have more time to deal with the wife's demands. they also could remember more special events and anniversaries because they don't have to worry about memorizing a speech for the next capital budget meeting. they also have more time to do household chores or have more money to hire a maid. therefore, the little things like dishwashing or cleaning won't cause problems in the marriage. they can also stop arguments in its tracks. let's say a wife is angry at a trivial thing. she can let it out on the spot because the retired father is there to listen.
a working father doesn't have time or patience for a wife's argument. working families are a disaster waiting to happen. a father is in the office and has problems at his job. on top of that, his commute is a pain on the subways or traffic jams if he drives. then he has to come home to a nagging wife whose anger stews and gets worse as it is mixed with her impatience waiting for him to come home and to give him a piece of her mind over a problem caused by him. they argue over dinner, the husband sleeps on the couch, then the process repeats for the next day with gropgginess from sleeping on the couch.
and if things end up in divorce....
the retired father may lose the house but at least he doesn't have the added pressure of paying a mortgage that is still owed on the house.
the retired father also has a better chance of winning custody of the kids because he stays home.
the divorce is funded by non-taxed pension money rather than work money.
the working dad loses the house and must pay mortgage.
he loses custody of the kids because he is working.
the ex-wife gets 75% of his pay-check after taxes and has no money left for himself.
last but not least, the retired dad enjoyed his youth to the fullest and did not make sacrifices just to spend all his resources on his family at an early age. the retied father has time and energy to exercise and stay in shape to live a longer, healthier life. they can live past 80 even and see their kid's graduation from college. the retired father has travelled the globe and knows better from experiences on who to marry and has dodged the bullet of marrying and having kids with an aw and has not made any of the mistakes a working father made.
a working dad's life is cut short and about 99% of them have not experienced life outside the us or even their hometown. they become out of shape couch potatoes eating fast foods because they are tired and don't have time to cook healthy or exercise. some even die off from their health problems. they are frowned upon by their kids. they've also made every possible financial and child rearing mistake because they are inexperienced. their sad excuse is, "i've given up everything (like being an olympic gold metal winner) but having you is worth it."
anyone else asking me when i am settling down, i will tell them straight out that i am holding off until i am 60.
The following is from a 1950's Home Economics textbook intended for High School girls, teaching how to prepare for married life.
1. Have dinner ready: Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal - on time. This is a way of letting him know that you have been thinking about him, and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospects of a good meal are part of the warm welcome needed.
2. Prepare yourself: Take 15 minutes to rest so you will be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your makeup, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh looking. He has just been with alot of work-weary people. Be a little gay and a little more interesting. His boring day may need a lift.
3. Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives, gathering up school books, toys, paper, etc. Then run a dust cloth over the tables. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift, too.
4. Prepare the children: Take a few minutes to wash the children's hands and faces if they are small, comb their hair, and if necessary, change their clothes. They are little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part.
5. Minimize the noise: At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of washer, dryer, dishwasher or vacuum. Try to encourage the children to be quiet. Be happy to see him. Greet him with a warm smile and be glad to see him.
6. Some Dont's: Don't greet him with problems or complaints. Don't complain if he's late for dinner. Count this as minor compared with what he might have gone through that day.
7. Make him comfortable: Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or suggest he lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soft, soothing and pleasant voice. Allow him to relax and unwind.
8. Listen to him: You may have a dozen things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first.
9. Make the evening his: Never complain if he does not take you out to dinner or to other places of entertainment; instead, try to understand his world of strain and pressure, his need to be home and relax.
10. The goal: Try to make your home a place of peace and order where your husband can relax.
Wow! I really appreciate reading all these posts. Just plain old guy talk without the bullshit. I'm a native new yorker and have always battled the dating situation here. New york in 2005 has got to be the worst place to meet a women period! Even if shes not american. Those who come here from other countries turn out just like any other women does in new york (of course with exceptions) Here in new york there is no singles scene unless your willing to waste a ton of money on useless encounters. I never enjoy my dinner on dates anyway. Too worried about the bill. New jersey girls are a little cooler but hard to get to due to there location and the jersey singles scene is very blue collar. If your not one of them your not going to have any luck. Just two worlds apart.
I really value what someone said about women watching their P&Q's in states where pussy is available close by. So very true. The weak ego suddenly works to our advantage. When I was able to get pussy here in new york during the good old days I was thinking more lodgically and therefore stronger to deal with gender games. Now I don't even bother and as a lifetime gym buff I would never give a hoot about a girl in the gym unless I wanted to get wrapped up in a sex in the city episode. That show has ruined dating in new york city for a long time. They all want to live that lame show but nobody wants to act out the smut scenes unless it's a paying role. You'll never make it in showbiz honeys.
I love latin women for many reasons and also latin culture. I think they treat there men really well and I think some latin men abuse it thats why they like non latin men alot of the times but I would have to live in their country since I already see how someplace like new york could change them.
The thing the other guy said about american women turning guys gay is so true alot of these guys are into pussy thats why there all shaving there chest and butt to look "smooth" the gender thing in america is way too fucked up and alot of it has to do with not haveing any sexual outlet what so ever. Peace.
Well done, Darkseid. Excellent post with lots of good reasons not to marry.
My reason is not so complex: quite simply...I've always had this thing for young, petite & cute girls. Always. Since my first erection, there's nothing like a cute little spinner to just get me going.
Since people don't change (I don't think I have in the last 10 years after I turned 18), I don't think my tastes would change.
So why would I still like my wife when she's not young, cute & petite?
True love - screw it. Give me a hot nasty 3 some with some pouty just-legal girls any night!
Artisttyp, I love Latin culture so much more than Western culture because of their dancing. Latin culture has mandatory full body contact dancing (a reason why Latin men hook up more than their estern counterparts). You CANNOT do salsa, merengue, and tango 3 feet away from each other, you must hold the girl's waist and hand and lead. Hip Hip, techno, and disco dancers is non-contact especially here in New York and provides too much of an out for women who don't know you. It doesn't give you a chance to feel up the woman or for the woman to feel you up to see if you are compatible sexually, unlike Latin dancing which allows you to show how fluent and smooth you are in bed. In New York clubs, I often end up dancing face-to-face but 1-3 feet away from the girl, then the girl's negative stereotype of me having a small weenie for being Asian doesn't go away. I hooked up with my Cuban American ex-fiancee because I was dancing merengue with her and she felt my motions, and felt all the rest of my equipment and knew from that that I am a larger than average Asian guy. She even told her friends that that stereotype is false. If westernized culture is more like Latin culture, we would hook up more often.
CBGBConnisur
10-13-05, 17:20
The reason I have found that European women tend to be nicer than AWs is a major cultural difference, in most continental European countries, there is only one breadwinner, the husband. The fact that the women stays home and takes care of kids or does work around the house makes them quieter. I have noticed that a lot of European women are better suited for family life because of this. I remember this when I was taking a German class and the instructor kept referring to the male students in class as "men" with emphasis, she had a problem with an audio visual setup and asked the men in the class to help her, completely ignoring the females.
Unfortunately for us many women(USA) walk around thinking their pussies are diamond plated. It does not help the situation that we act pussy whipped all the time. I don't care how ugly an AW is, she can place her ugly ass pictures on CL and be bombarded with thousands of emails from guys wanting to screw her. Man, I wished I lived in Aussie land!
Darkseid,
Yeah I think the stereotype thing is played out and harfmful to human realations period.I think we have more of it in america due to many factors.I'd be intrested to know if asian/american women follow in the same path? Also are you into asian women what is the dating culture like between asians in new york if any. Meaning do they hold asian or american principals?
Sounds like you like to partner dance.I had a few salsa lessons in ecuador(good place for pussy and much more) But I'm more into the freestyle hanging out on the corner dance without partners. I' really feel the afro/latin music vibe. It's really powerful.
I was curious to know if you go to the socials given by dance studios here in the city. Are they fun. Single girls?
If your ever in tijuana try going to one of the little mexican dance bars.Theres hookers there but you can also partner dance with them to "banda" music which I've grown to really love.The girls will teach you if you dont know how.
I disagree with CBGB.
In most western European nations, if you want the "good life" (or want to buy a house or apartment) BOTH parents work.
This has been the case for the last 8 years at least.
Culture evolves, or devolves, you have Walmart, we have Carrefour.
Cheers,
Sporadic
Jackson I feel it's important you waive your rules about FULL CAPS and allow fellow mongers get a true flavor of the feelings of this AW provider. This is her response to ladies lowering their prices in the Atlanta area. I'd really like to hear your comments about this.
The lady is Ashleigh in Atlanta
HEY, AS PROVIDERS OF A MUCH NEEDED SERVICE IN ATLANTA, WHY DO THE
LADIES ON HERE FEEL THAT THEY NEED TO LOWER THEIR RATES AND STANDARDS JUST TO GET MONEY, THEN COMPLAIN WHEN THE PROVIDERS ARE STILL TRYING TO ONLY SPEND $50.00?
WE SHOULD NOT LOWER OURSELVES TO DOING 1 HOUR INCALL APPOINTMENTS FOR $100.00. I FEEL THAT THERE IS NO LADY ON THIS SITE (FREE OR NOT) THAT SHOULD CHARGE LESS THAN $150.00 FOR AN INCALL APPOINTMENT. YOU SEE THE PROVIDERS ON EROS AND *** ADVERTISING FOR $200 AND UP AND ARE RECEIVING THE REQUESTED RATES, WHY, BECAUSE THEY NO HOW TO TELL A CLIENT NO I AM NOT GOING THAT LOW. LADIES, STOP TRYING TO UNDER CUT THE NEXT MARY, JANE, OR SUE, IF ALL OF US UNITE AND STICK TO A CERTAIN RATE, THE HOBBYIST WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PAY THE RATE WE SET.
TO SAY YOU ARE DOING 15 MINUTES FOR $50 MEANS YOU SHOULD BE DOING 1 HOUR FOR $200.00 LOGICALLY. 30 MINUTES IS $100 AND 45 IS $150. LET'S STICK TO OUR GUNS, THERE ARE SOME VERY PRETTY WOMEN IN ATLANTA, WHO POST ON HERE, IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU ARE ONLY WORTH $50, GO STROLL METROPOLITAN AND LEAVE THE UPSCALE RATES HERE SO THAT THE UPSCALE CLIENTS WILL PAY WHAT YOU ARE WORTH.
WE SHOULDN'T BE SO QUICK TO CALL THE HOBBYIST CHEAP WHEN WE ARE GIVING OURSELVES AWAY (I KNOW I LOVE TO SHOP FOR SALES PRICES) AND $100 FOR ANY 1 HOUR APPOINTMENT IS SALES PRICES. IT'S OK TO RUN SPECIALS DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT WHY WOULD A PERSON SPEND $150 ON A GOOD QUALITY PROVIDER WHO WILL TREAT HIM THE WAY HE WANTED TO BE TREATED WHEN "SALLY" WILL ONLY CHARGE HIM $100. WITH THAT $100 COMES A RUSH SERVICE TO GET THE NEXT $100 CUSTOMER IN. (NOT TO MENTION THAT SHE MAY HAVE BAD REVIEWS ON ***, OR HAS HAD TO CHANGE HER PROVIDER NAME BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS SHE'S A CON OR GIVES TERRIBLE SERVICE.) THEN HE WILL TALK BAD ABOUT THE PROVIDER WHEN HE GOT WHAT HE PAID FOR.
SO LET'S MAKE IT EASY ON EVERYBODY, PROVIDERS STOP LOWERING YOUR DONATIONS JUST TO GET SOMEONE IN THE DOOR, AND HOBBYIST STOP BEING SO CHEAP, AND IF YOU DO FEEL THE NEED TO BE CHEAP, STOP TALKING ABOUT THE PROVIDER IF THE SERVICE SUCKED BECAUSE YOU GOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR.
Artisttype,
Asian American women do follow the same path and many do not date Asian guys. They too become prudes because of feminism and New York City has the highest rate of feminists. Just as the Western women have a hard time dating in Asian countries, the Asian men are just as unwanted in New York City. Asian women think Asian American men are usually of lower status (both careerwise and "size-wise"). Unfortunately for the Aisan culture there is no partner dancing nor the Afro-dance vibe, which I also like because I can breakdance to it but can't disprove the stereotype with it though, unlike partner dancing. That's why I love partner dancing much more because I get to feel up the girl and she gets to feel me up.
I used to go to these social events in the city but the ratio is not so favorable for the guys. The women:men ratio in these clubs is 1:10 and the clubs are sausage factories so I no longer go to NYC clubs. It seems the more competition for these women, the more these women get snobbish and the sausage factory even fight for fat chicks. There was even an article published in the newspaper of 2 men fighting for a fat chick (and this chick is ugly and fat) and one shooting the other for her. I, too, got into bar and club fights when I was younger and competing for women. Even when I beat the guy up, she goes to another guy who snatches her up or she causes another fight. And some of these women find this amusing and flattering. If statistics say there are more women than men in New York City, don't believe it. This ploy is only to attract more men for unwanted fat and old women (Yes, the "more women" are actually old or fat undateable ladies. These stats don't say how many are actually doable or dateable.) It seems the more competition for their twat, the higher they price their pussy. Eastern Europe, South America and Asia (except China which is also a sausage factory due to the fact they want boys as their only child with the one child law so women :men ratio is 1:3) are the cure for the sausage factory blues of NYC because those countries have a higher women:men ratio. Even 1:1 women:men is much better than 1:10. Now I don't even bother with NYC chicks because there are more chicks available in other continents.
CBGBConnisur
10-14-05, 15:14
Darkseid, I am so happy I don't live in the US with those fat cows they call women over there. The rest of the world still has a major edge, I get 8 weeks a year to travel the world, usually Europe and South America when I get bored in Ozzie. A lot of my Australian friends watch Jerry Springer and they immediately feel a lot better knowing that most Australian women are not THAT OBNOXIOUS.
Hey darkseid, I feel your pain man.
Listen, the race card is played differently in different regions of the country. I grew up in NYC as a kid/ young teenager and then in Miami, Florida. I now live in Los Angeles, California where the race card definitely comes into play in a total different fashion as it does in the east coast, particularly the southeast coast region.
I think that being Asian / Asian-American in California would be a big (if not huge) plus for you. I try to steer clear of discussing race in this forum given its sensitive nature and the fact that the main purpose of this site is to provide info in the P4P scene and in bashing AW. However, race does play a detrimental role in terms of getting any type of play with AW / Americanized-Women in this country. I can tell you from what I've seen that as an Asian (the same goes for Whites), you would have much better prospects in dating Asian women and AW than do males from other races. Believe it or not!! I notice how much more appeal Asian men have with both, Asian women and AW than say, me, given that I'm hispanic of non-Mexican descent (this puts me in the bottom of the appeal list).
Stereotypes do play out in CA, however, for Asian males, they come out in a positive light. Intelligence is probably the most popular one and this ofcourse is interpretted as a potential for being a high-salaried career professional. I think this is a very good thing, I personally don't take it in a bad way, why should I? I read in an article recently that the standard of living has declined for all minorities in the U.S. except for Asians, for whom it has actually raised significantly. AW know this. It is also much more likely for Asians to be hired along with Whites for most positions available in CA anyway. And AW know this too. They know this very well.
So I definitely recommend you give California a try. I can only speak for Southern California as I'm not familiar with the Northern California setting. Granted, you have Asian communities from all of the Orient here. I'm not sure how the intra-racial relations play out given my very limited exposure to the Asian communities, but I suspect they are good for the most part. I've never heard of anyone being against someone else because they're Korean or Japanese or Filipino........ This does happen in the latino community (Mexicans vs non-Mexicans) but this is an entirely different can of beans. I agree with you, Nevada seems to be the exception to the rule in the West coast.
Smut Villain
10-15-05, 01:21
... given that I'm hispanic of non-Mexican descent (this puts me in the bottom of the appeal list)...
If you think you're at the bottom of the appeal list then try being an African-American (it's kinda funny, because some people out there hate our asses and aren't even sure why - go figure).
I will vouch for what you say about the Southern California scene, however. I never had so much pussy in my life (with the exception of being overseas of course). I think what happens is that on the East coast folks believe a person has to conform to a certain group or belong to a "type". If you don't fit into any category then people don't know what to do with you. On the West coast things were different for me: there's already a million freaks over there so nobody notices one more. As a result, some things which would be held against a guy over here in the East end up not really being "disqualifying" factors in the West (at least this was my experience). This means a man can feel a little more free to relax and just be himself instead of having to have the right looks/income/demographic/clique/whatever (or getting pigeonholed into some category whether or not it even applies).
Of course I could be off the mark, but that was my experience.
Interestingly (and this may just be my mistaken perception), but where I live (hilbilly hellhole) it seems that the Hispanic and African American guys are getting all the poon. I have heard and do believe that the primary causation for this is that the redneck racist attitudes of the preceding generation, causes a fetishization of the "forbidden fruit".
I'm hispanic of non-Mexican descent (this puts me in the bottom of the appeal list).Cyberdas, this is a new racial/nationality concept for me. Although I know this sounds bad, I did not know there was a level below hispanic Mexicans. In southern South America & the Caribbean, I´m sure that racial hierarchies and prejudices exist between black, white, and indian/mestizo hispanics that live there.
But in the USA most hispanics are indians. Are you saying that, for instance, a Mexican indian looks down on a Peruvian or Ecuadorian indian? When I lived in the US I worked and hung out with lots of hispanics (mostly Mexicans) and I never heard or witnessed anything like this.
In Argentina, where I live, it seems that indians are at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder regardless of their nationality. Blacks here seem to have a high social status because they are so rare and people often assume that black guys are foreign soccer stars or actors. Several Argentine girls have told me that they fantasize about nailing a black guy.
Smut Villain
10-15-05, 08:14
Interestingly (and this may just be my mistaken perception), but where I live (hilbilly hellhole) it seems that the Hispanic and African American guys are getting all the poon. I have heard and do believe that the primary causation for this is that the redneck racist attitudes of the preceding generation, causes a fetishization of the "forbidden fruit".
That's a pretty interesting point, Bart (I wonder if it doesn't have anything to do with the popularity which urban culture has enjoyed for the past decade or so). I think it pretty much illustrates Cyberdas's point about geographical variances in AW attitudes.
Now that I think about it, some time ago someone in this very forum commented on how AW's in areas near places like Mexico tend to have slightly less bitchy attitudes when compared to their counterparts elsewhere in the states. From my experience in San Diego it seemed as if the women there were very aware that they had real competition (both pro and non-pro) just across the border. I wonder how true that may or may not be for other parts of the country?
I actually picked up on that hypothesis from "Dr Drew" on the "Lovelines" radio program. On that program, an incidence came up that the child of a homicide detective, who was shown gruesome pictures growing up in an attempt to keep him out of the "family business" instead actually gave the kid some necrophilliac tendencies. I took the hypothesis one step further to explain the behavior I'm seeing. That actually kind of makes sense from an evolutionary biology standpoint-Group X cannot stand Group Y and would like to exterminate them. However, Group X's children grow up highly sexually attracted to group Y, thus detering genocide and perpetuating the species or whatever. Sort of a cosmic joke too.
This incidently also may in part help explain my favorite phenomena the "bad boy loser" thing......"You stay away from rotten little Johnny...his Mom is a drunk, and his ne'er do well father beats her.....". Mommy and Daddy hated him so much that I had to sleep with him.
The popularity of urban culture is probably also a factor.
I knew that I was going to set off the wrong vibes by most post. I really didn't mean anything bad by it although it could've come off as such. I hope I didn't offend anyone as I didn't have intentions in doing so. What I was trying to expose was the different racial-related discrepancies/ differences/ tensions that exist in different regions of the U.S. and how this comes into play in terms of landing AW/Americanized Women.
Unfortunately a lot of tension and friction among the same minority groups do more often than not exist. It has been my experience (and probably mine only) so I could be wrong. I also want to add that I don't have anything against anyone as I have friends/ coleagues/ coworkers/ etc.. from all walks of life. I like learning and experiencing new and different things from other cultures / races and what have you that are different from mine.
Smut Villain, I totally understand your point of view; I could only imagine how hard that must be. I also agree with you about there already being a million freaks out here. Hell, no doubt I could be one of them..he.he..he.. I also agree about the differences in disqualifying factors from one coast or region to the other. For me, my experience has been the inverse of yours as I had an ok time getting pussy in the east coast.
The thing about AW in San Diego is very true as I can personally atest to that. I have some buddies who are in the Navy so ocassionally I hang out with them in San Diego. Having Tijuana virtually down the street does ease off a lot of tension in the club / socializing scenes because alternatives exists. The pressure is not so strong because we know where we can go anytime of the day for some action. Believe it or not, a lot of guys don't know this (regarless of their proximity to the border), don't know how to go about doing it or would prefer to pander to AW and thus go through the painful and often deceitful rituals. Can the same be said of the areas bordering the French-speaking Canadian regions?
Smut Villain
10-16-05, 01:23
I knew that I was going to set off the wrong vibes by most post. I really didn't mean anything bad by it although it could've come off as such. I hope I didn't offend anyone as I didn't have intentions in doing so. What I was trying to expose was the different racial-related discrepancies/ differences/ tensions that exist in different regions of the U.S. and how this comes into play in terms of landing AW/Americanized Women.
Judging from the responses so far it doesn't sound as if anyone's offended. And if they are - so what? Race is like a big elephant sitting in the middle of the living room, but nobody's trying to talk about it. It's there and very real, but (because it can sometimes be ugly) nobody wants to offend anyone else so we don't say anything. The problem with this approach is that nothing gets done about a tangible problem which affects everything around us, even (and sometimes especially) mongering and relations with the opposite sex.
The first step in overcoming an issue is to acknowledge its' existence. Your post was just an example of acknowledging reality.
Chocha Monger
10-16-05, 02:41
Bart,
Is that hill-billy hell hole up North? I have seen a few redneck chicks with African American and Hispanic guys down South but not that many, I think it is more common up North. Usually the couples tend to be teenagers, so perhaps they have moved away from the "old" way of thinking.
While on this topic I'll mention something that I've noticed. There are AWs out there who are getting knocked up by Mexican illegals and then finding out that they can't sue them for child support since they can't legally work in the US. Is it possible that AWs are having the tables turned on them? I know of one case where the AW tried to get the illegal alien father of her child deported to Mexico and she was told by immigration authorities that they needed several illegals in one area to made a raid worth their while. Apparently, you can safely deal with an AW if you have no social security number, no visible source of income and don't legally exist in the eyes of the government.
I live in the northernmost part of the northernmost southern state-Indiana. Along the shore of lake Michigan, (away from the expensive beachfront of course), there are dense groupings of African Americans and Hispanics (mostly Mexicans and a few Puerto Ricans). The rest of the state is cracker hell-might as well be Mississippi.
I posted on your other topic a while back. I had noticed that a lot of "low grade" caucasian AW (uneducted, fat, ugly, low IQ, low class...) were pairing up with "regular guy" hispanic nationals. I'm guessing there is a perceived difference in status (or possibly it could be imigration issues) from the hispanic guys that makes the fugly AW attractive to them. I do work with some of these guys, and have seen them lusting after AW.....I tell them "No No No....Americano Senorita' estes no bueno....estes muy gordo....punta......." (compremiso spelling-I'm self taught)
Chocha Monger
10-16-05, 07:20
I've been to Indiana before so I know exactly what you're talking about. Lots of corn and lots of caucasians. I'm inclined to believe that the Hispanic guys are hooking up with AWs because of the novelty of white snapper. It can't be migratory issues because it appears that they are smart enough not to get married in most cases. I have noticed that our South American brothers have a fascination with blonds (rubias) often without consideration of weight or looks. They always seem to ask about them when I'm in SA. I don't understand how they can be so crazy over whales just because they have blond hair and blue eyes, but they can have them all as long as I get the hot Latinas.
Darkseid,
I am surprise that you say Asian women don't date Asian men. I have noticed over the past 10-15 years that many White women wer married to or dating Asian men. I had assumed is it was because the ratio of men to women in some Asian countries (China and India) is very high, and the men had to find non-Asian women to marry, in addition to White women not wanting to make compromises with White men when there were Asian men available who were more "desperate" and therefore less demanding.
But after reading what you wrote, it seems that some Asian men go with White women because Asian women won't go with them. I am very surprised by that. Who do Asian women date? I have rarely seen Asian women with non-Asian men. All of the mixed couples I have seen involved Filipinas with military guys. I know that Russel Simmons, the founder of Def Jam Records, is married to a former Filipina model. Tiger Woods' mother is Thai. I think the mother of the Tilly sisters, the actresses, is Japanese. And of course, John Lennon married a Japanese women. But these are 4 examples out of 1 BILLION Chinese and Indian women!
Asian American women do follow the same path and many do not date Asian guys. They too become prudes because of feminism and New York City has the highest rate of feminists. Just as the Western women have a hard time dating in Asian countries, the Asian men are just as unwanted in New York City. Asian women think Asian American men are usually of lower status (both careerwise and "size-wise").
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