American Women

[Naked Gunz]

Those atheletes are dumbass for not seeing goldiggers comin at them.

In a way I don't feel sorry for him cause he can afford it.

[George90]

I didn't say that and your taking my post out of context.

I never said baggin Paris Hilton was the best America has to offer. What I was saying was, don't let your financial situation be the sole reason you can't pull famous pussy. Make connections, its not what you know, its WHO you know. I'm not famous and not rich (yet, give it a few weeks).

As I said, clubs are not the ideal place to meet anybody really. But parties are! These jokers always have parties, just try and get on the guest list. If you don't know anybody, then find somebody in the "know". The beauty of those people, while fake as a 4 dollar bill, are a reliable source of info.

Listen to yourself! Don't you realize that when a man needs to work, spending time trying to get on party guest lists is a complete and utter waste????

That's what I meant about getting a better perspective! Regular guys need to work to earn money. We do not have time to find somebody in the "know" and chase down a party.

[Long Stroker]

International Herald Tribune

By Sam Roberts
Monday, January 15, 2007

For what experts say is probably the first time, more American women are living without a husband than with one, according to a New York Times analysis of census results.

In 2005, 51 percent of women said they were living without a spouse, up from 35 percent in 1950 and 49 percent in 2000.

Coupled with the fact that in 2005 married couples became a minority of all
American households for the first time, the trend could ultimately shape social and workplace policies, including the ways government and employers distribute benefits.

Several factors are driving the statistical shift. At one end of the age spectrum, women are marrying later or living with unmarried partners more often and for longer periods. At the other end, women are living longer as widows and, after a divorce, are more likely than men to delay remarriage, sometimes delighting in their newfound freedom.

Furthermore, men have become sick to death of the bullshit that women put them through just to get laid every now and then. These men are voting with their feet by heading for the exits in record numbers. Also, a select few intelligent men have discovered the allure of overseas pussy through the use of Internet Message Boards like the International Sex Guide. Apparently, once you've experienced the joys of a relationship with an attractive, caring, sincere foreign woman, there's no going back to fat American cows.

In addition, marriage rates among black women remain low. Only about 30 percent of black women are living with a spouse, according to the Census Bureau, compared with about 49 percent of Hispanic women, 55 percent of non-Hispanic white women and more than 60 percent of Asian women.

In a relatively small number of cases, the living arrangement is temporary, because the husbands are working out of town, are in the military or are institutionalized. But while most women eventually marry, the larger trend is unmistakable.

"This is yet another of the inexorable signs that there is no going back to a world where we can assume that marriage is the main institution that organizes people's lives," said Prof. Stephanie Coontz, director of public education for the Council on Contemporary Families, a nonprofit research group. "Most of these women will marry, or have married. But on average, Americans now spend half their adult lives outside marriage."

Professor Coontz said this was probably unprecedented with the possible exception of major wartime mobilizations and when black couples were separated during slavery.

William H. Frey, a demographer with the Brookings Institution, a research group in Washington, described the shift as "a clear tipping point, reflecting the culmination of post-1960 trends associated with greater independence and more flexible lifestyles for women."

"For better or worse, women are less dependent on men or the institution of marriage," Dr. Frey said. "Younger women understand this better, and are preparing to live longer parts of their lives alone or with nonmarried partners. For many older boomer and senior women, the institution of marriage did not hold the promise they might have hoped for, growing up in an 'Ozzie and Harriet' era."

Emily Zuzik, a 32-year-old musician and model who lives in the East Village of Manhattan, said she was not surprised by the trend.

"A lot of my friends are divorced or single or living alone," Ms. Zuzik said. "I know a lot of people in their 30s who have roommates."

Ms. Zuzik has lived with a boyfriend twice, once in California where the couple registered as domestic partners to qualify for his health insurance plan. "I don't plan to live with anyone else again until I am married," she said, "and I may opt to keep a place of my own even then."

Linda Barth, a 56-year-old magazine editor in Houston who has never married, said, "I used to divide my women friends into single friends and married friends. Now that doesn't seem to be an issue."

Sheila Jamison, who also lives in the East Village and works for a media company, is 45 and single. She says her family believes she would have had a better chance of finding a husband had she attended a historically black college instead of Duke.

"Considering all the weddings I attended in the '80s that have ended so very, very badly, I consider myself straight up lucky," Ms. Jamison said. "I have not sworn off marriage, but if I do wed, it will be to have a companion with whom I can travel and play parlor games in my old age."

Carol Crenshaw, 57, of Roswell, Ga., was divorced in 2005 after 33 years and says she is in no hurry to marry again.

"I'm in a place in my life where I'm comfortable," said Ms. Crenshaw, who has two grown sons. "I can do what I want, when I want, with whom I want. I was a wife and a mother. I don't feel like I need to do that again."

Similarly, Shelley Fidler, 59, a public policy adviser at a law firm, has sworn off marriage. She moved from rural Virginia to the vibrant Adams Morgan neighborhood of Washington, D.C., when her 30-year marriage ended.

"The benefits were completely unforeseen for me," Ms. Fidler said, "the free time, the amount of time I get to spend with friends, the time I have alone, which I value tremendously, the flexibility in terms of work, travel and cultural events."

Among the more than 117 million women over the age of 15, according to the marital status category in the Census Bureau's latest American Community Survey, 63 million are married. Of those, 3.1 million are legally separated and 2.4 million said their husbands were not living at home for one reason or another.

That brings the number of American women actually living with a spouse to 57.5 million, compared with the 59.9 million who are single or whose husbands were not living at home when the survey was taken in 2005.

Some of those situations, which the census identifies as "spouse absent" and "other," are temporary, and, of course, even some people who describe themselves as separated eventually reunite with their spouses.

Over all, a larger share of men are married and living with their spouse — about 53 percent compared with 49 percent among women.

"Since women continue to outlive men, they have reached the nonmarital tipping point — more nonmarried than married," Dr. Frey said. "This suggests that most girls growing up today can look forward to spending more of their lives outside of a traditional marriage."

Pamela J. Smock, a researcher at the University of Michigan Population Studies Center, agreed, saying that "changing patterns of courtship, marriage, and that we are living longer lives all play a role."

"Men also remarry more quickly than women after a divorce," Ms. Smock added, "and both are increasingly likely to cohabit rather than remarry after a divorce."

The proportion of married people, especially among younger age groups, has been declining for decades. Between 1950 and 2000, the share of women 15-to-24 who were married plummeted to 16 percent, from 42 percent. Among 25-to-34-year-olds, the proportion dropped to 58 percent, from 82 percent.

"Although we can help people 'do' marriage better, it is simply delusional to construct social policy or make personal life decisions on the basis that you can count on people spending most of their adult lives in marriage," said Professor Coontz, the author of "Marriage, a History: How Love Conquered Marriage."

Besse Gardner, 24, said she and her boyfriend met as college freshmen and started living together last April "for all the wrong reasons" — they found a great apartment on the beach in Los Angeles.

"We do not see living together as an end or even for the rest of our lives — it's just fun right now," Ms. Gardner said. "My roommate is someone I'd be thrilled to marry one day, but it just doesn't make sense right now."

Ms. Crenshaw said that some of the women in her support group for divorced women were miserable, but that she was surprised how happy she was to be single again.

"That's not how I grew up," she said. "That's not how society thinks. It's a marriage culture."

Elissa B. Terris, 59, of Marietta, Ga., divorced in 2005 after being married for 34 years and raising a daughter, who is now an adult.

"A gentleman asked me to marry him and I said no," she recalled. "I told him, 'I'm just beginning to fly again, I'm just beginning to be me. Don't take that away.' "

"Marriage kind of aged me because there weren't options," Ms. Terris said. "There was only one way to go. Now I have choices. One night I slept on the other side of the bed, and I thought, I like this side."

She said she was returning to college to get a master's degree (her former husband "didn't want me to do that because I was more educated than he was"), had taken photography classes and was auditioning for a play.

"Once you go through something you think will kill you and it doesn't," she said, "every day is like a present."

Ariel Sabar, Brenda Goodman and Maureen Balleza contributed reporting.

[Cunning 1]

LS,

"Furthermore, men have become sick to death of the bullshit that women put them through just to get laid every now and then. These men are voting with their feet by heading for the exits in record numbers. Also, a select few intelligent men have discovered the allure of overseas pussy through the use of Internet Message Boards like the International Sex Guide. Apparently, once you've experienced the joys of a relationship with an attractive, caring, sincere foreign woman, there's no going back to fat American cows."

Absolutely classic, you should have left it in the same type though...LOL

C1

[DJ FourMoney]

Listen to yourself! Don't you realize that when a man needs to work, spending time trying to get on party guest lists is a complete and utter waste????

That's what I meant about getting a better perspective! Regular guys need to work to earn money. We do not have time to find somebody in the "know" and chase down a party.

That depends on where you work. You have friends don't you? I kicked most of my "friends" to the curb. I have a few true friends that I have known since high school that I say in contact with. Only 1 of them is married, the others are single and somewhat sucessful at it.

One friend works at the Warner Bros studios in Burbank. Another used to work for Motown Records and I used to be a member of a very popular record pool (and plan to rejoin this year). I used to get on all kinds of guess list, been at parties where Frankie Knuckles Dj'ed (that wasn't cheap!) for example.

However you want to look at it LA is about money and connections. If you don't have money or connections you spend alot of time at home, alone. I just got tired of it frankly. Alot of fake arse women, alot of women that judge you before even talking too you. I just didn't want to deal with it anymore.

But that doesn't mean they aren't good FUCKS, they can be. I myself have never banged a famous woman. But several of my friends have banged famous and minor porn stars, flash in the pan recording artist and a few actresses.

Its very possible if you're willing to put up the effort. If your working for your early retirement, then yes I understand you don't have time to party and hope to party on the back end. Well that can be flawed as much as women fucking around with Alpha Males and Loosers until they hit 30, the "clock" starts runnin and like the Unknown poster said, starts looking for a "Beta" male to take care of her and her yet to be born children.

Nothing in life is guranteed and you need to live it. Women can be apart of it or don't have to be, its up to you. I can leave dealing with women at the drop of the hat and go straight with p4p, but I rather be a father and roll model for my children, when I have some and I know I can find a woman that would love me without the BS, without the lies and without the games.

Its just not likely to happen here, so I don't bother with American women for dating purposes, sex is another matter.

[Rock Dog]

....according to this article anyways.

http://jmooneyham.com/your-true-chances-of-getting-rich.html

It's actually kind of depressing, but worth checking out.

Rock

[Wet Nose]

Interesting post from the genius @ russianwomen.wordpress.com

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I am constantly amazed at how our society has come to a point of repression to where we are not supposed to be free to use the words “Ugly” or “Fat”.

The road to HELL is always paved with “good” Feminist intentions. So in their zeal to further control our behavior by controlling our language they decide to invent new terms like “alternative appearance” or “appetite challenged”.

Communism was such a great experiment to see if these ideas for promoting “equality” were right. According to it.. if we could just make “everyone equal” we would all have a more harmonious and prosperous existence.

But what many people don’t realize is that to make everyone “equal” is to forcefully degrade everyone to the LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR.

Or in other words let’s force everyone to be lazy, un-motivated, jealous and ignorant. Once people reach this point the only way they can make themselves feel good is by tearing into someone else that has something they don’t like money, beauty, or a husband.

And then this turns into a vicious cycle.

You see when a virus like this is firmly embedded within any culture it leads to outright sabotage and “theft” on a massive scale so that no one can move up.

In Western Countries such as the US this “theft” manifests itself in the divorce courts where the majority of Men face the prospects of having their property, parental rights, and even their liberty taken from them.

I once heard of a ghetto term that perfectly illustrates this and it’s called “crabs”. If you’ve ever seen a bucket full of crabs then you know that once one crab tries to rise and leave the bucket.. all of the other crabs will drag this poor crab back down.

If anyone doesn’t believe me about how destructive this system of crab-like “equality” is then they should come to any ex-Soviet country and see how thoroughly it crushes a Man’s spirit and turns millions of people into the walking dead. Russia’s demographics and it’s very ability to hold the country together in the no so distant future is endangered because of this very reason.

Kill a person’s spirit and you will soon kill their bodies..

Try to make everyone “equal” within any society and watch it slide into the WORST that human beings and history has to offer.

THE SAME IS TRUE FOR BEAUTY AND UGLINESS.

So get this… Did you know that there is a growing movement primarily in the US to start promoting physically UGLY and FAT women as being on “Equal” physical terms with women who are beautiful.

Well guess what this means for you Guys?

It means that US and Western women who have any potential at beauty will start to physically degrade themselves in order to go with the new LOWERED STANDARD of beauty which becomes the NORM.

Just like with Communism our society starts to believe that we can alter nature’s most basic fundamental principals of CAUSE and EFFECT. ie. We try to cushion or remove people from experiencing the consequences of their own decision.. like getting FAT… and that encourages all other women to get laxed and to do the same…

And consequences always follows.

So US and Western women allow themselves to get Fat, to wear loose baggy “hood” style clothes everywhere, not shave their arm pits or legs, get large tattoos, have piercings in strange places, etc. etc.. you starting to get the picture?

Unfortunately I’m sure you do..

Because it’s all around you. American & Western Women are letting themselves go to complete dog do-do because they believe that’s this is the NORMAL thing to do. In this nasty cultural environment ALL WOMEN even naturally beautiful ones would face a strong and growing temptation “to blend in” with the rest.

AND just for added measure..

Just to make sure that we are forced to complete their DENIAL for them..

We are “supposed” to ignore this and “accept them” for who they are.. We are not supposed to say that the women that surround us are FAT and UGLY. If any of you guys DARE do this then be prepared for a Harassment complaint or even a Lawsuit.

Guys I hate to say this but..

Welcome to the New Feminist USSR.

So next time you are out and about.. take special notice of the Women around you. Look at how they dress and hear what they say.. and more importantly HOW they say it. Hopefully after reading this you will gain a whole new perspective on the sad state of affairs that our female counterparts are unconsciously wallowing in.

In anycase let me just close this off on a positive note by sharing a very old Russia proverb with you..

“Women fall in love with their ears..”

“While Men fall in love with their EYES..”

Gentlemen.. Certain Truths never change..

And THANK GOD Russian Women understand this.

[Wet Nose]

Rock Dog,

Being rich is not a magic passport to being happy. I used to make a stack of cash (at least it seemed to me) but was deeply unhappy.

I quit my job, traded it in for a similiar position paying 20% less but only gave me 5% of the stress. Hell of a deal, if you ask me. Overnight, my happiness level increased 3x.

[Wet Nose]

Another interesting post from russianwomen.wordpress.com

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I just read a great post from Mr. Rule 62 and he said the following,

“We are so beat up and bashed by feminist nonsense. I feel like an alien every time I go back to the States now. “

Well Mr. Rule 62.. I know EXACTLY how you feel about feeling like an Alien in your own country! Nothing like Feminist Political Correctness to ruin a Man’s day with.. or life..

Feminism is a POTENT Adversary in many ways. And in some key areas I would even consider them a “Worthy Adversary”.

Why in the world would I call them “Worthy” you might ask?

Because of this..

They Ingeniously CONTROL Our LANGUAGE and Our Thinking.

You see if the Feminist control the language that we speak in our society then they EASILY control the Society itself!

Let me explain this with a little history..

During the dark ages of the Soviet Union ANY RELIGION or SPIRITUALITY WAS COMPLETELY BANNED by the Communist State. Churches, Synagogues, Temples or any place of worship were either outright destroyed or condemned. Marxist-Leninism was the only belief allowed. In many ways it was it’s OWN RELIGION. A Religion of complete obedience and subservience to the power of an all powerful state. God did not exist.. because Marx, Lenin and Stalin were all cunning enough to realize that any belief in God would be competition for the belief that they themselves were Gods. We define this today as a “Cult of Personality”.

Any normal person would recognize this as a hellish nightmare come true. Since the Soviet State was so threatened by the idea of “God” they were ruthless and absolute in their desire to ban the very concept of God or the Human Soul. They EASILY did this on a public level by DEFINING and CONTROLLING the language that people were allowed to interact in.

Any Person who DARED to believe in God or Spirit was labeled either SUPERSTITIOUS, STUPID, or INSANE.

Years of Propaganda films were effectively used to manipulate public opinion to create a sense of deep shame for anyone who even spoke about God. Very public examples were made of religious believers being hauled off to receive “Psychiatric Treatment” for their “Mental Illness”. MILLIONS more were simply thrown into the Gulags which was an inevitable death sentence or just outright killed..

SO EFFECTIVE was the control of language through the “labeling” of people that 2 different social classes emerged. “Educated” and “Proper” people believed only in the State… While un-educated people believed in stupid superstitions such as God. This is the exact phrasing they used by the way. Even today 15 years after the collapse of Communism there is hardly any open discussion of spirituality or relgion in this society among the people. You have no idea how many YOUNG people I’ve met who have a carry over attitude from these days. YOUNG people who still believe it’s stupid to talk about such things. Or young adults who have literally said, “NO Way I don’t believe in such things!” to each other and to me personally.

And people wonder why this country is self-destructing demographically..

If I’m bringing up a very dark subject it’s for a very good reason.. As I’ve said in an earlier post.. Feminism is a very prominent branch from this root of terrible evil. It’s ideologies are variations of a Communist Utopian theme and it’s methods have frightening similarities to what was once done here.

Feminism has greatly succeeded in also creating a deep sense of SHAME for any man who DARES to reject them and exit their circle.

“You are a Loser!”

“You can’t find a girlfriend or a wife in your own country!”

“You obviously are an Awful man since you are rejected by any women you meet!”

“What is wrong with you?

“You are not a REAL man”

“Foreign women are desperate green card hounds!”

We Men most likely find ourselves shutting up instead of having to constantly fight and defend ourselves from this barrage of criticisms and “group think”.

We Men find ourselves needing to justify or apologize for our every move especially when it comes to Women.

Sound familiar? It’s all around us and usually your subconscious just says.. “to hell with it.. it’s not worth getting into a fight over.”

And in many ways you are right.. because most of the time it isn’t worth it to spend the energy.. especially when you believe that you are mostly all alone in thinking this way as a MAN.

But at that moment a part of your soul and a part of a free society has been lost.. And I believe on some level.. most of us men understand this and silently despair..

Gentlemen.. We have all been through this in one form or another.

We can choose to play defence to this for the rest of our lives and ultimately lose..

OR

We can go on the offense.. kick some serious ass.. and win BIG for ourselves, our families, and ultimately for society itself.

I know in my heart and soul that finding yourself a traditional loving & supportive wife is the most potent tool you have to combat this.

It’s that easy.. because this IS the solution.

Or to put it in another way..

Your happiness and joy as a Man is a stealthy all weather GPS guided high yield NUKE against the Fortress of Feminism..

And I know Damn well that the Feminist know this too.

So therefore, they will do ANYTHING they can to prevent you from gaining this either by squeezing the relationship market shut with political or legislative action or by pulling the “mail order bride” card out on you.

If we Men cannot stand-up to their attacks then we should just hang it up and wait for our number to be called to be admitted into their Gulags. Humiliating and demoralizing prisons which are cleverly disguised as things like non-objectionable restraining orders, child protective service investigations, financial disclosure interrogatories, mandatory sexual harassment & anger management workshops, and the list goes on and on. Within their fortress, these are all the weapons at their disposal and you cannot win fighting it within their walls because it is all designed to sap your strength and bleed you to death no matter if you cooperate or resist.

No gentlemen to me it is very clear. The only way you can win is to first find sanctuary in the loving arms of a woman who nourishes your soul and allows you to regain your strength and self-awareness. And with that ever increasing strength and clarity you will ultimately have no fear to take on the world. Deep down inside you know that this is what you were meant to be as a man. And if you think about the hero’s that you looked up to as a kid (or even now) I’m sure you will recall a man like this.

For me that hero was and forever will be Ronald Reagan.

I have studied this great man’s life and the great things he did for our world and I’m always awe-struck as to how he did it. How did he boldly know the future and how to get there when it seems that everyone said he was just a stupid old washed-up 2nd rate actor who worked with Bonzo the chimp. When they were screaming in the streets of Europe, New York and Washington DC.. screaming bloody murder that this man was about to lead us straight into the Apocalypse of World War III. Where did he get the courage and the fortitude that he seemed to so effortlessly wield against the endless onslaught of those who would do him harm including a nearly successful assassin? How did he deal with the un-imaginable pressure of literally changing the world at such a key moment in history?

The more I studied him the more I realized it was because he had one HELLUVA wife behind him. Nancy Reagan was his rock, his loving muse and his soul-mate. He simply had no fear because Nancy was always behind him.. Always loving him, always protecting him, and always there for him.

Ronald Reagan was once quoted as saying,

“You know in my position I am often in the company of many people.. perhaps millions that I need to reach out to.. But the only time I really get lonely is if Nancy leaves the room..”

When I gained this insight I realized that of all things life has to offer.. This is what I wanted the most..

And I believe you do too.

[Wet Nose]

Yet another winner from russianwomen.wordpress.com...If you ever been played, abused or used by an american woman, you'd know where this guy is coming from....

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A story of a female "player" after 40...

Many years ago when I was back in California I was driving up to a seminar and had volunteered to pick up another lady on a car pool list who was also attending it.

Let’s call this Woman “Carol”.

Carol looked like she was in her early to mid 40’s. Typical nature-mama look with disheveled clothes, tangled hair and a face that had an equally confused expression.

Frail and depressed were the two words that came to mind as I saw her for the first time.

After our greetings and introductions we later on settled into a conversation about Men, Women and Relationships..

Carol was sad and upset as she talked in a surprisingly candid and neurotic tone when she said…

I don’t understand why Men don’t want me anymore..

When I was a teenager in the 70’s I was a hot little girl and every man wanted me and I could completely do as I pleased. I could get him to buy me drinks, take me out for expensive dates, and buy me gifts. And then I could get rid of him and another Man would quickly do the same. But now that doesn’t happen anymore..

Now since I had vivid memories of being on the receiving end of this kind of evil sexual manipulation..

I just wanted to stop the car and say..

You Stupid *****!

You got what you deserved.. you wasted the best years of your life throwing Men out like pieces of trash when you should have used that precious time to find someone who would love you for the rest of your days.. You played with fire and now you’re going to pay the price until you are old and gray..

Part of me REALLY wished that I would have said that to her..

But the other part of me just said to relax and to let an unforgiving Mother Nature do the talking for me instead. As each passing year would creep forward for her it was obvious that Carol was condemned to a prison from which there was no escape.

It’s because she made the WORST Judgment a Woman can do in her Life..

She FAILED to realize that Lasting Love is MUCH MORE Valuable and HARDER to Find then any number of Men with a few more Dollars in their pockets.

However there was simply no need for me to tell her this important truth..

Because my silent response was far more punishing to her then what my words could ever say.

For all intensive purposes this woman had become addicted to what I call the “Prostitute’s Game”.

She foolishly thought that the free ride for her as a Woman would last forever..

She was like the jaded prostitute who judged all Men only by the size of their wallets and in doing this she actually turned herself into a mere commodity.

A commodity that was already cheap to start with.. but now at this point in her life even when it was “free” there were no more men willing to accept it.

(Maybe except for the bi-polar, alcoholic, and nearly homeless artist that she claimed she had sex with 6 months previously)

Now unfortunately there are large numbers of materialistic women around the world and in Russia who fit this description. I met one the other day who was trying to impress me with how much of a “Queen” she thought she was because of her looks and it reminded me of Carol’s story.

On one hand it’s hilarious to see foolish Women acting this way..

But on the other hand it’s a total tragedy.

Because they always assume that they will stay young and beautiful forever. And they just never consider the future which is always closer then they think when their looks and hopes have faded with the wind.

It reminds me of an airplane that is dropping into a steep dive.

* At what point does the pilot need to safely pull up before he crashes into the ground?
* At what point in these Women’s lives do they cross the point of no return..
* At what point in their “fun” and exploitative lifestyle did they just lose the last chance to have a Good Man in their life..
* Just who was this remaining Good Man who stepped onto the last train leaving her station when she thought that more would come..

Mother Nature can be so often cruel and unforgiving.

So many people just never realize the exact moment they consign their lives to Hell when it happens..

And insidiously enough for them.. it is usually within the addictive haze of some fleeting experience of “freedom and fun” that this moment actually happens.

Or in other words.. she just can’t stop doing it because she like it way too much.

(Kinda like how an addiction to cigarettes can kill you many years after your enjoyment of smoking them is done..)

And so many women like Carol never realize it until it’s just way too late.

In the US and in the West this point of no return for a Woman is typically somewhere in her mid to late 30’s.

While in the unforgiving and merciless dating environment that Russian Women face over here.. this range is more between her mid 20’s to early 30’s.

So especially when I see a small percentage of Russian Girls in their early to mid 20’s playing this exploitative game against Men..

A part of me just want’s to scream at them..

Hey you STUPID Girl!

Don’t you know that TIME is NOT on your side as a Woman! Keep on playing this game and you will be forced to play it FOREVER!

But then common sense takes over as I take a deep breath.. exhale.. and shut my lips..

And again I allow Mother Nature to take over and to speak for me with her silence..

A silence that speaks with so much more darkness and eloquence…

Like it did on that drive with Carol so many years ago.

[Rock Dog]

This is a rebuttal, of sorts, to the article I referred to in my last post.

I was thinking about the content of that article and realized that the guy's whole thesis was based on one or two assumptions.

First, he makes the assumption that, to be rich, you need an income of 400k per year. This is all wrong. You don't have a high standard of living because you make a certain amount of money. The standard of living is based on what kind of things you can afford with the money you make.

For example, in New York, 400 thou doesn't go all that far. It will buy you an average house. You might be able to get laid 1000 times @ $400/per. It will buy 4 luxury cars at 100k each.... if you like to dine out, 400 grand could pay for 2000 nice meals with drinks.

But, what if you were somewhere else? Somewhere where these things didn't cost anywhere near as much..... would it then be possible to be considered rich (indeed to LIVE like you're rich) for far less money? Try some place in South America. A nice house might cost 80 to 100 thousand. By that measure, 100 grand a year would be enough to be rich. Eating out? $40 for 4 people.... times 2000 would be only 80 grand a year to be rich. Getting laid? $50 a pop in a lot of places..... by that measure you could live like a rich guy if you only made 50 grand a year.

I'm sure there's some places where some of the things I mentioned might cost more, but there's also quite a few places where those things are even cheaper.

Yet more motivation to expatriate.

Rock

[Sinanju Master]

Wet Nose,

I posted about this very same situation several times last year. You just happened to do it a bit more eloquently than I did. If I were you, I’d feel the same way about Carol. In fact, I’d have a huge grin on the inside and the word that would come to mind is: “Karma”. Your idea of Mother Nature doing the speaking for you is worthy of a major-league high-five and a chest bump. Young women (WESTERN women) are besotted with their own sexual powers to the point that they A] feel it will last forever, B] don’t exercise it wisely when it is at its peak and C] they are actually SURPRISED that there comes a day when they can’t even get positive male attention. What comes around truly DOES go around.

[Dodger Bulldog]

Try some place in South America. A nice house might cost 80 to 100 thousand. By that measure, 100 grand a year would be enough to be rich. Eating out? $40 for 4 people.... times 2000 would be only 80 grand a year to be rich. Getting laid? $50 a pop in a lot of places..... by that measure you could live like a rich guy if you only made 50 grand a year.I couldn't agree more.

If I can twice resist the temptation to do a call girl, it pays for my ticket to anywhere in South America.

One more time, and it pays for the apartment for a week or two.

For each additional time, I will have enough cash to get laid five times (minimum) in a county like Costa Rica or Colombia or Argentina.

So if I skip just five temptations here in the States, I can use the money saved to travel to an exciting monger destination, stay for a week or more, and get laid at least ten times with young, beautiful, appreciative GFE chicas.

And yet all of my family and friends are totally amazed that I can afford to travel outside the country a few times every year!

So while I am able to travel just enough to keep the juices flowing for now, my eventual goal is to someday take my savings, social security, pension and the equity from my home, and then retire as a rich man in chica paradise, wherever the U.S. dollar is strongest.

I literally cannot afford to "waste" any of my sperm in the good old U.S. of A. I am saving it all for the chicas who deserve it so much more.

I thank god every day that Jackson created this board and enlightened me about the world outside this sex prison of ours.

Thank you so much, Jackson.

I love you, man!!!

DB

[CBGBConnisur]

....according to this article anyways.

http://jmooneyham.com/your-true-chances-of-getting-rich.html

It's actually kind of depressing, but worth checking out.

Rock
Rich is a relative term, someone in a Western country that makes an average income would be considered rich in another part of the world. I know a guy who works in McDonalds but goes to Thailand every year for a few months because his money goes that much farther.

[Wet Nose]

Sinanju, unfortunately I can't take credit for the piece I posted. I copied it from the blog I found at russianwomen.wordpress.com, written by an expat american who is living in Russia and absolutely loving it. But I have been in your position, and man, karma is a *****.

[Billy Ibrox]

Guys: This is a forum that puts women in their place. We look for women to fuck becasue many Western women think they are too good for it. Even a couple of trolling hookers want their say as if they have something positive to contribute. Here is what can happen if you marry one of these fucktards and we all know examples.

Once, powerful men wanted trophy wives. But now, according to research to be published in the journal Labour Economics, the earnings gap between married couples is narrowing. Men today are more likely to want a dynamic high-flier.

A victory for feminism? Sadly not. The reason for this change, I believe, is that rich men have cottoned on to the sinister side of the stay-at-home wife: unless you marry an equal who's going to pay her own way, you will end up with a lazy, over-pampered slug.

Many men of my acquaintance have become deeply bitter and disappointed about how their wives have changed since they hung up their working wardrobes, and made the transition from trophy wife to toxic wife. These are university-educated women who work for a couple of years before harnessing themselves to a milch cow and "having it all".

In the 1970s, "having it all" meant effortlessly maintaining a beautiful home, raising perfect children, keeping the husband sweet and having some sort of career and financial independence. Today it's a whole new ball game.

"It's a perversion of the evolution theory: they have evolved into creatures whose function is to get the most for doing the least," an exhausted husband recently told me. "I wouldn't mind providing her with so much if she did something for me occasionally. She's never even cooked me a meal."

"She doesn't know the definition of sacrifice," said another angry husband. "Relationships are meant to be about compromise, but all she gives me are ultimatums."

"Can't you just divorce?" I asked.

"I'd lose everything I've worked for, including my children, and be paying her an indecent amount of money for life."

One irate husband remarked: "They not only become utterly vacant, they never entertain anyone outside of their small circle of other vacant wives. They become obsessed with perfection, grooming...in a word, boring."

"I have to take the children out of the house every Sunday morning and wander around with them," added another, "because my wife must have a lie-in. Sunday is the nanny's day off, you see."

"My wife," said a third, "gives over the whole of the weekend to what she calls 'me time'. Retreats, mini-breaks, a spa, even art classes...all of which I pay for. What do I get in return? Nothing."

There are five tell-tale signs that the trophy wife is turning toxic, apparently.

* She gives up work, ostensibly to care for the brood, only to pack the children off to boarding school or private day schools.

* She wants to move somewhere more rural/suburban that suits her idea of family life, yet location-wise is exhausting for her commuting husband.

* She demands wall-to-wall help, which nearly always includes an abused Filipina who works 12-14 hours a day.

* She refuses to fulfil the traditional contract of the non-working spouse in terms of doing anything for her husband.

* She expects her husband to fulfil the traditional but anachronistic male role (such as paying all the bills).

Here is a typical day outlined by one husband of a toxic wife:

5.30am: Husband leaves for work.

7.45am: Filipina brings wife tea in bed.

8am: Nanny takes children to school.

8.30am: Breakfast and the papers.

9.30am-4pm: God knows; possibly gym, spa, shopping, boozy lunch with friends, nap or massage.

4pm: Nanny collects children from school.

5.30pm: Nanny gives children tea and goes home.

7pm: Filipina gives children bath.

7.30pm: Wife goes to book group.

9pm: Husband returns and roots around for a ready meal.

10.30pm: Wife returns. Bed.

10.35pm: Sex? In your dreams.

The above timetable is hideously parasitic, and so is the woman behind it. The other day I nervously accepted an invitation for lunch with an old school friend who had married a rich banker.

She led me into her kitchen and held up a fork. "How shoddy is that? It has a disgusting piece of encrusted potato on it. She can't even unload a dishwasher. I'm going to have to sack her. And this morning she stacked the pink towels amongst the white ones. Can you believe it?"

The terrified Filipina maid was in the room with us. "Juanita!" snapped Olivia. "This is your last chance. Do you understand me? You'll be back in Manila in a week."

This was surreal. I had no idea real people lived like this. Yet, minute by agonising minute, it got worse. In her pre-toxic wife days, Olivia was amusing and droll. Now she spent her days rotting her brain with alcohol, and bossing an army of staff. I asked her, "Don't you miss your old job, your financial independence?"

"Why on earth would I want to struggle, feel tired and look old before my time?" she replied.

I left, suffering from toxic-wife rage. The outside world felt like a haven of normality. How I pitied these successful men who had naively hoped for a domestic goddess, only to end up with a diva.

But the game is over, toxic wives; your milch cows have seen the light. You are toxic, trouble and about to become extinct.

[CBGBConnisur]

Feminism is largely an American/Anglo creation, it seems to be limited to mostly Anglophone/philic countries. America is going to decline in power over the next two decades. With the USA's decline, feminism will lose. There is already proof that feminism is largely contributing to the decline of Western society with low birth rates and family problems contributing to social ills.

[George90]

Billy, I don't know what your problem is. You are one hell of a misogynist!

Most of us less hateful men fully realize what Western women are like these days. AND we take responsibility for our actions and decisions. WE ARE MEN AFTER ALL, NOT BOYS! I am not moved by your attempt to start a pity party. Those men said "I do" to those women. They were not forced to marry toxic wives. That they, and you, can't realize that you chose wrong, is your problem. The fault lies with men for choosing to marry such women. It does not lie with those women.

Next time, choose better. There is a whole foreign introductions industry devoted to helping us find better, non-toxic wives. Such wives are to be found in Latin America, Asia, and Eastern Europe. If you are too lazy or prejudiced to go find a non-toxic foreign wife, then you deserve all the misery you will get from marrying a Western woman. It was YOUR choice!

[George90]

Feminism is largely an American/Anglo creation, it seems to be limited to mostly Anglophone/philic countries. America is going to decline in power over the next two decades. With the USA's decline, feminism will lose. There is already proof that feminism is largely contributing to the decline of Western society with low birth rates and family problems contributing to social ills.

You are correct. Unfortunately, I don't think most people will realize what you are saying. The US has a great deal of prestige in the world with regards to women's rights. We have a female Secretary of State, a female Speaker of the House, female Supreme Court justices, and now a female presidential candidate. Women of the world look to this as progress, and want to emulate it.

They don't see the fatherless households, the low marriage rates, the high amount of both male and female homosexuality, the increasing violence (ex. the recent murders in New Orleans), low academic achievement compared to Europe, and other social ills. Many countries of the world are going follow the same path. I fear the backlash from it.

Extremists like bin Laden will be able to point to our society and its failings and say "That is what happens when you follow the infidels.". Chavez in Venezuela is already saying something similar. He points to the fiasco in New Orleans and says "That is what US style capitalism brings you.".

If too many countries follow our lead, there will be few desirable places to find a wife, monger, or even just enjoy female company.

[Billy Ibrox]

George, You are attacking me here as well. I thought the article I posted would have hit a chord with many posters on this thread who are always b-tching about AW. I am glad I do not have you as a friend George as your advice seems to consist of "Life is shit", "tough sahit", "make yer bed and lie on it".

The idea is to have a good wife and fuck around as much as posible and to keep all women in their place. You mention Osama and Chavez. Both of them get laid a LOT.

Get the point?

[Bango Cheito]

BULLSHIT!

Many European and even Latin American countries have FAR greater involvement by women in politics than the USA. You don't believe me, look at the makeup of the Colombian or Argentinian or Chilean congress compared to the US one. Chile doesn't have a female presidential CANDIDATE, it has a fucking female PRESIDENT! AND it's still easier to get laid in these places.

Back to the drawing board guys!

[Sasha Coffee]

You guys should try New Zealand if you think the US is bad,

We have a female priminister, a female cheif justice, a department of Womans Affairs, a female Governer General and a transexual member of parliament.

You think you got bad in the states.

At least if Hilary get in you know she has her husband helping her out.

[Yogin]

Also in Asian places such as The Phillipines have greater involvement of women.

[CBGBConnisur]

The Phillipines is practically a colony of the USA. There are some European countries where women are near the top of the political system, most of these are generally heavily influenced by the US. The way things are going, America is going to become more a more inward society in the future. There are many countries where women's rights are unheard of and some of them are going to be the biggest powers of the new century. China is one such example, and even in the ever more modern China women are lower than men. Japan is another country where women have lower status. European countries like the UK, France, Germany, Scandinavia have the same level of feminism as the US but go to Eastern and Southern Europe, women have lower status, Italy and Spain have the lowest divorce rates in the Western world.

[Piper1]

George, You are attacking me here as well. I thought the article I posted would have hit a chord with many posters on this thread who are always b-tching about AW. B.I. - Despite your slightly amusing but predictable polemics in other threads, your "toxic wives" post was pretty insightful, right down to their daily routines. (In fact, are you sure you're not speaking from first-hand experience?)

In Dubai, I know of too many western women who live their idle lives (and mistreat their literally poor, powerless and hard-working Filipina maids) *exactly* as you describe. Not all of them, but too many. These women are basically lower-middle class, acting upper class when they suddenly have a few extra dollars and too much time on their hands. They have nothing more to do than have coffee mornings, tanning salon and hair-peroxiding sessions while complaining, as you say, that the maid simply must go because she didn't fold the towels correctly. Desperate housewives. Partly their husbands' fault for giving them blank checks instead of reality checks.


The idea is to have a good wife and fuck around as much as posible. Works for me. ;)

[Starchild2012]

america will never ever..i repeat never ever will decilne ever.

and i'm not an american. just look back to the history,,,,what made ameircan so great today..is 'cos your great grandfather sacrificed their life for the land.

the foundation of your country is rock solid..you guys still have that giving mentality.

do you think anyone can win against sacrifice..be it bush or hillary or all the bad boys you can think of and make them president..but still....the land is free and the giving boys will stand up to balence it out.

yeah..hate gates for his shrewd business ethics..but at the end of the day ..he is still "giving" all that he has got...may be he is not the best guy to judge..but how about...buffet..ohh..how about rockfeller..he is dead..but boy can he give..i wish we have guys like that back in my country.

america is still the largest charity giver in the whole wide world.

if all guys are bad and the countries on a decline..how come year after year..you guys give..it just shows that..ther are still more good guys out there than bad guys in america.

i never read in my history books on mayan or incan or egypt civilization or the great queen of england "giving" so much back to the country.

this is americation civilization folks..unless this planet earth turns around or we go to the next age..america will rule.

this century is for greater co-orporation, community, sharing, trust and taking along your peer, making everyone stand equal...i can't think of any country right now who has the potential to knock of america.

china is just copying the stuff from the west..it does not have anything of its own...yeah i remember gun powder and kite was discovered in china way back then jackie chan was in the forbidden city sent out to get princess pepe from carson city and met wild west owen wilson along the way and they both became best pals and knocked the bad guys..yeah nothing more to show off from china

they want to rule the world not give anything back to the world.

finally, does anyone here thinks we could have got internet from any country on earth than america..others would have kept it for themselves not give away anything but not america it gave to the people the greatest discovery of mankind. thanks you america for that !







feminism is largely an american/anglo creation, it seems to be limited to mostly anglophone/philic countries. america is going to decline in power over the next two decades. with the usa's decline, feminism will lose. there is already proof that feminism is largely contributing to the decline of western society with low birth rates and family problems contributing to social ills.

[Hornyscot]

I read this and thought well you know just thought about it, glad that you managed to make the break from this toxic shock. Need to get back to the days that men were men instead of this doing all for their wives. There is a limit and it is a game, if you play by thier rules and up the game every once in a while you can keep em in their place.

I had a lucky escape but now I'm with someone who I can deal with and manage to play the game she knows where she stands in the grand scheme of things and keeping that and making it work is what it is about. Don't let them hen peck you. Pick away at them as they pick away at you. I'm sure that you can think on ways to make think twice about doing ya over.

Working out how they tick and then keeping it on a short leash works. As I said I don't get what I want or I'm unhappy then I sure as hell make it miserable for her but I keep it in the confines of the game and make sure that she can't get back at me or cite me for anything wrong.

Just make sure that you keep enought of your life seperate that she can't mess up and you will be laughing. As long as she knows that she don't control you 100% then she will be kept keen. Make like you like her but your not going to stay with her if she don't keep her end of the deal.

Goes to bed and you have to look after the kids yeah right thats the mark to make as much god damn noise as you can and you make a mess where you can to annoy the hell out of her. She will soon learn thats not a viable game plan, it hurts her more than you! Just make sure that she knows where she stands.

Toxic Waste. You dispose of this in a proper and safe manner!

[Hung Man 1808]

The foundation of your country is rock solid..You guys still have that giving mentality.

Ever heard of giving it all away? Or there is a sucker born every minute? Most of the rest of the world has, which is why Westerners overpay and hand over even more money on the slightest sob story or temper tantrum.

Maybe they are just too used to doing it at home :).

[Bango Cheito]

Yeah I dunno who'se giving and who'se receiving anymore, but you'd have to be a complete fucking idiot to think that America still has what it once had that made it great. My hope is that we will get it back but I'm not going to put all of my money on it either!

[Billy Ibrox]

B.I. - Despite your slightly amusing but predictable polemics in other threads, your "toxic wives" post was pretty insightful, right down to their daily routines. (In fact, are you sure you're not speaking from first-hand experience?)

In Dubai, I know of too many western women who live their idle lives (and mistreat their literally poor, powerless and hard-working Filipina maids) *exactly* as you describe. Not all of them, but too many. These women are basically lower-middle class, acting upper class when they suddenly have a few extra dollars and too much time on their hands. They have nothing more to do than have coffee mornings, tanning salon and hair-peroxiding sessions while complaining, as you say, that the maid simply must go because she didn't fold the towels correctly. Desperate housewives. Partly their husbands' fault for giving them blank checks instead of reality checks.Piper, I am very careful about women I keep longer than a fuck session. Hookers don't count as God made them for one reason only. The ideal women is the girl next door who understands your make up and is into partnership, not this kind of shit. I don't take shit like this from women but I have met quite a few in my day. The problem with these ones is they drive us away from the good ones. And, no, the good ones do not include LBFMs or their AW sisters.

[Capt Ajax]

I'll keep this short and sweet about the U.S of A. If you have alot of money and I'm talking a networth of at least $10million+++...........America is probably the best country in the world to live. IMHO if you are middle class(lower, middle, upper) you are screwed bigtime. Madison Ave does a good job of promoting BS to the middle class that if you work hard enough anyone can live the American dream....total BS.
Here's an interesting article: What are your true chances of getting rich in America??? http://jmooneyham.com/your-true-chances-of-getting-rich.html

[Naked Gunz]

I'll keep this short about the U.S.A. If you have alot of money and I'm talking a networth of at least $10million+++...........America is probably the best country in the world to live. The middle class(lower and upper) will always get screwed.

That's why I'm looking at other places to retire. Thailand and Phils prices are great, but asian women are kinda skinny to me. Like bangin a 2x4...

[Billy Ibrox]

Asian women are kinda skinny to me. Like bangin a 2x4.Just hammer away son. Also, pussy alone should not cause you to relocate.

[Capt Ajax]

asian women are kinda skinny to me. Like bangin a 2x4...

Whoa not necessarily......I'm seeing an attractive 30yrs+ Chinese lady right now and she's a complete freak in the bedroom.

[Yogin]

I bang Asian (not Asian-American...bananas all) women exclusively, and will never go back! Best sex ever.
Sorry you've been conditioned to accept AW porkers. You're welcome to them all.
To me, pussy is the ONLY reason to relocate!

[NicFrenchy]

Madison Ave does a good job of promoting BS to the middle class that if you work hard enough anyone can live the American dream....total BS.Hahaha. I think that George Carlin would agree with you entirely! check it out on youtube, his piece on "owners of this country" is a must see! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL6ULruYjNA

Back to the topic, to me, a pussy is a pussy, it comes in all sizes and different colors and always tastes like heaven (well, hopefully) LOL.

[That Asshole]

dear gentlemen,

it is safe to say that the reason why most of us attend to this forum is because we want to fuck more

meat.it might be a good thing, however, what is the use of "fucking more meat" if we not also have a good

life at the same time. such as comfortable living conditions, security, peace of mind, reasonable health,

good company and control over our affairs.



travelling to far-away "****-ries" has some merits and can make us more independent from us females, we

certainly gain some freedom and immunity from manipulation by sex or the lack of it. i can testify for it

because it works. but there are various hardships on the way and the benefits are only temporary, needing

to top-up frequently. all this has made me realise that our real work is at home, in our own "****-ry",

(wherever we may live). (notice the spelling? it is no mistaik.)

to improve our conditions right here and regain control as we used to have long ago.
------------------------------------------------

the writer proposes that year 1920, the enactement of the 19th amendment to the us constitution was the end

of us democracy. for the purpose of eventually doubling the income tax-base and in an instant to create a

mindless, screaming mass of voters/consumers who can be most easily and predictably controlled by well

aimed propaganda: "american women were given voting rights and could be nominated for position in

government". thereby "real" democracy died.


**********************
appearances
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this mindless mass of most easily manipulatable consumers/voters -who only care about their appearance and

the outside appearance of things- comprise at least 51% of the population. they can be most easily

hypnotised by flashing bright images in their faces, are hysterical, insecure, paranoid, emotionally

driven, unable to think logically by nature and are totally indecisive.



by appealing to this mass of "puppets", any senseless policy can be passed -by the sheer number of female

voters, (51%++) - and yet bear the sign of "democracy". even though the result is always easily

predictable. they will vote for it.



by flashing the images of "increased police, sick-care, child-welfare", no matter how stupid the general

agenda is, they will vote for it. we are not even asked because 51%++ already decides without us.

surely you will realize this. the minimum you can do is that you abstain from any voting at all. why

bother? it will make no difference at all. do they think you are stupid?

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under this regime, by flashing selected graphic images in the faces of mindless public (51%++), all kinds

of hysterias can be created such as: aids hystery, drug hystery, cancer hystery, smoking hystery, terror

hystery, and so on.



all these, supported by the screaming masses, create absolutely huge profits to selected groups. the writer

proposes that without the "huge screaming" of the mislead masses none of these would be issues of any

importance. the writer can individually dismiss all of these artificial hysterias as "false". detailed

discursion may follow later but surely, instinctively we all know that they are false. and yet they roll in

absolutely astronomical revenues by keeping the masses of 51%++ screaming ever louder.



the writer also proposes that they are deliberately antagonising men and urge us for aggression, using open

and covert education for this purpose from a young age. purposefully creating ideals of "individual

heroes", thereby reducing our chances of ever agreeing, especially in matters concerning females.


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even though the problems are evident the writer admits that nothing can be done against it on the short

term. most (but not all) nations of this planet run by the same "global syndicate" and the "screaming,

mindless masses of 51%+" have become the principal building pillar of global economy. as well as

representing more than 51% of voters they are the spenders, moneyspinners and even principal tax-payers.

so, reducing their influence is not a matter of great urgency anywhere. quite to the contrary, previously

cautious and conservative "****-ries" (now you know the reason for the alternative spelling) are opening up

to "women rule", in order to increase spending and spin the fast cash.

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but why is it "bad"?
*********************

if it hasn't occured to you before then ask first: "why did a forum like this have happen?" with 150,000+

subscribers, and the multitude of other forums and the legions of sex-traveller men just like you. was that

by chance or for a reason?

under the present "regime", problems are treated the usual female way: on the surface, by scraping the top

a bit and giving it an attractive paint-job. this pleases 51%+ of (legally equal) voters and does the job

fine. however temporarily. problems resurface soon with increased ferocity and again oppressed by even

increased forces. in the meantime of course earning solid profits and comfortable living to various

industries that specialise in "fighting".

yet it still pleases at least 51%+, so no probs because the other 49% don't make any difference. plus they

are so deprived of the "object of their pleasure" that they do anything for minimal favours. in effect the

screaming, mindless 51% easily becomes 51%++++++.



in this fashion police suppresses uprisings and "irregular behaviour", bacterias and viruses are "killed",

tumors cut out, surface players of drug distribution are regularly skimmed (while demand kept all high),

police are featured as "heroes", new "magical" face creams and "no effort" weightloss programs are sold by

the truckload. looks very rosy, let's all rejoice.



new infections crop up, new tumors, masses screaming bloody murder at anyone looking different, demanding

more security cameras for "safety". and new lies. in fact we all rot in shit while looking very happy on

the surface and we are supposed to smile and cheer when the national flag is raised. we are a bunch of

mindless morons. how happy...

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the plain truth of today:

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salivating, pumped-up "pussimen
**************************

mindless, screaming mass of "face-painting ladies" 51%+, closely followed by salivating, pumped up

"pussymen" running around in circles and screaming -"oh no, another bacteria, another deadly virus,

terrrrorists all over the place, we all gonna diiiiie now, will someone please save us, oh, oh...dear."



as you have probably figured it out by now: without screaming ladies (51%+++) and "pumped-up pussimen"

there would be no issue of virus, tumor or terror. as it was explained to you above you have no vote at all

any more. then why do you bother voting at all? and if you are not one of the "pumped-up pussymen" then

please stop the screaming about aids, terrorists, global warming and other ridiculous shit. if you cannot

live as a man then why bother. you might as well be taken by any of the above and it will be no loss at all.


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not equal, by nature
*****************
wear a t-shirt or something: "i am not equal with women". refuse to vote until votes are taken away from

the "puppets". buy a ticket to phnom penh where they are still treated like common shit. you can make up

your own list. just don't believe in "magic" treatments like women do. this curse will take a long time to

go away.


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conclusion:
so, yes this tumor has been growing since at least 1920. possibly longer. the russians made them "equal"

first in 1918 to fully support their totalitarian system. easiest handle is where the mind is absent. the

us had no choice, but to follow course. now, being an economic "super-****-ry" the basic condition for

trading with any other ****-ry is that they liberate the shit. otherwise no deal. surely you knew all this

already just didn't know how to say it. if we were just whingeing about it to exercise our mouths then we

would be like women. the difference is that we understand and act accordingly. pointless whingeing is for

women. tell us, what is the list of things that "you" can do?


**************
stop screaming
**************
the first point on your list will be: "from today i will think, and stop screaming like ladies and

pussi-men." -you see? aids, terror and the like already disappeared.


****************
stop being a "hero"
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the second point:"from today i will stop fighting. especially in front of women. if we fight they just

think shit of all of us. no matter how they urge me to be violent, i will say: no to violence against men."

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the end

[Starchild2012]

dude..this has to be one of the top post i have read in recent years..hats off..


dear gentlemen,

it is safe to say that the reason why most of us attend to this forum is because we want to fuck more

meat.it might be a good thing, however, what is the use of "fucking more meat" if we not also have a good

life at the same time. such as comfortable living conditions, security, peace of mind, reasonable health,

good company and control over our affairs.



travelling to far-away "****-ries" has some merits and can make us more independent from us females, we

certainly gain some freedom and immunity from manipulation by sex or the lack of it. i can testify for it

because it works. but there are various hardships on the way and the benefits are only temporary, needing

to top-up frequently. all this has made me realise that our real work is at home, in our own "****-ry",

(wherever we may live). (notice the spelling? it is no mistaik.)

to improve our conditions right here and regain control as we used to have long ago.
------------------------------------------------

the writer proposes that year 1920, the enactement of the 19th amendment to the us constitution was the end

of us democracy. for the purpose of eventually doubling the income tax-base and in an instant to create a

mindless, screaming mass of voters/consumers who can be most easily and predictably controlled by well

aimed propaganda: "american women were given voting rights and could be nominated for position in

government". thereby "real" democracy died.


**********************
appearances
**********************

this mindless mass of most easily manipulatable consumers/voters -who only care about their appearance and

the outside appearance of things- comprise at least 51% of the population. they can be most easily

hypnotised by flashing bright images in their faces, are hysterical, insecure, paranoid, emotionally

driven, unable to think logically by nature and are totally indecisive.



by appealing to this mass of "puppets", any senseless policy can be passed -by the sheer number of female

voters, (51%++) - and yet bear the sign of "democracy". even though the result is always easily

predictable. they will vote for it.



by flashing the images of "increased police, sick-care, child-welfare", no matter how stupid the general

agenda is, they will vote for it. we are not even asked because 51%++ already decides without us.

surely you will realize this. the minimum you can do is that you abstain from any voting at all. why

bother? it will make no difference at all. do they think you are stupid?

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under this regime, by flashing selected graphic images in the faces of mindless public (51%++), all kinds

of hysterias can be created such as: aids hystery, drug hystery, cancer hystery, smoking hystery, terror

hystery, and so on.



all these, supported by the screaming masses, create absolutely huge profits to selected groups. the writer

proposes that without the "huge screaming" of the mislead masses none of these would be issues of any

importance. the writer can individually dismiss all of these artificial hysterias as "false". detailed

discursion may follow later but surely, instinctively we all know that they are false. and yet they roll in

absolutely astronomical revenues by keeping the masses of 51%++ screaming ever louder.



the writer also proposes that they are deliberately antagonising men and urge us for aggression, using open

and covert education for this purpose from a young age. purposefully creating ideals of "individual

heroes", thereby reducing our chances of ever agreeing, especially in matters concerning females.


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even though the problems are evident the writer admits that nothing can be done against it on the short

term. most (but not all) nations of this planet run by the same "global syndicate" and the "screaming,

mindless masses of 51%+" have become the principal building pillar of global economy. as well as

representing more than 51% of voters they are the spenders, moneyspinners and even principal tax-payers.

so, reducing their influence is not a matter of great urgency anywhere. quite to the contrary, previously

cautious and conservative "****-ries" (now you know the reason for the alternative spelling) are opening up

to "women rule", in order to increase spending and spin the fast cash.

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*********************
but why is it "bad"?
*********************

if it hasn't occured to you before then ask first: "why did a forum like this have happen?" with 150,000+

subscribers, and the multitude of other forums and the legions of sex-traveller men just like you. was that

by chance or for a reason?

under the present "regime", problems are treated the usual female way: on the surface, by scraping the top

a bit and giving it an attractive paint-job. this pleases 51%+ of (legally equal) voters and does the job

fine. however temporarily. problems resurface soon with increased ferocity and again oppressed by even

increased forces. in the meantime of course earning solid profits and comfortable living to various

industries that specialise in "fighting".

yet it still pleases at least 51%+, so no probs because the other 49% don't make any difference. plus they

are so deprived of the "object of their pleasure" that they do anything for minimal favours. in effect the

screaming, mindless 51% easily becomes 51%++++++.



in this fashion police suppresses uprisings and "irregular behaviour", bacterias and viruses are "killed",

tumors cut out, surface players of drug distribution are regularly skimmed (while demand kept all high),

police are featured as "heroes", new "magical" face creams and "no effort" weightloss programs are sold by

the truckload. looks very rosy, let's all rejoice.



new infections crop up, new tumors, masses screaming bloody murder at anyone looking different, demanding

more security cameras for "safety". and new lies. in fact we all rot in shit while looking very happy on

the surface and we are supposed to smile and cheer when the national flag is raised. we are a bunch of

mindless morons. how happy...

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the plain truth of today:

**************************
salivating, pumped-up "pussimen
**************************

mindless, screaming mass of "face-painting ladies" 51%+, closely followed by salivating, pumped up

"pussymen" running around in circles and screaming -"oh no, another bacteria, another deadly virus,

terrrrorists all over the place, we all gonna diiiiie now, will someone please save us, oh, oh...dear."



as you have probably figured it out by now: without screaming ladies (51%+++) and "pumped-up pussimen"

there would be no issue of virus, tumor or terror. as it was explained to you above you have no vote at all

any more. then why do you bother voting at all? and if you are not one of the "pumped-up pussymen" then

please stop the screaming about aids, terrorists, global warming and other ridiculous shit. if you cannot

live as a man then why bother. you might as well be taken by any of the above and it will be no loss at all.


*****************
not equal, by nature
*****************
wear a t-shirt or something: "i am not equal with women". refuse to vote until votes are taken away from

the "puppets". buy a ticket to phnom penh where they are still treated like common shit. you can make up

your own list. just don't believe in "magic" treatments like women do. this curse will take a long time to

go away.


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conclusion:
so, yes this tumor has been growing since at least 1920. possibly longer. the russians made them "equal"

first in 1918 to fully support their totalitarian system. easiest handle is where the mind is absent. the

us had no choice, but to follow course. now, being an economic "super-****-ry" the basic condition for

trading with any other ****-ry is that they liberate the shit. otherwise no deal. surely you knew all this

already just didn't know how to say it. if we were just whingeing about it to exercise our mouths then we

would be like women. the difference is that we understand and act accordingly. pointless whingeing is for

women. tell us, what is the list of things that "you" can do?


**************
stop screaming
**************
the first point on your list will be: "from today i will think, and stop screaming like ladies and

pussi-men." -you see? aids, terror and the like already disappeared.


****************
stop being a "hero"
****************
the second point:"from today i will stop fighting. especially in front of women. if we fight they just

think shit of all of us. no matter how they urge me to be violent, i will say: no to violence against men."

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the end

[Rock Dog]

Hey guys,

I heard about some legislation (in Florida and a couple of other states) where, if a guy finds out he's not the father of the wife's kids... he doesn't have to make support payments. It's supposedly coming through for more states in the future.

I read about it in a very recent issue of Time magazine. Has anyone else heard about this? It only seems fair that, if some other guy has been porking your wife, you should be able to get rid of her without having to pay support for someone else's kids.

Rock

[George90]

Hey guys,

I heard about some legislation (in Florida and a couple of other states) where, if a guy finds out he's not the father of the wife's kids... he doesn't have to make support payments. It's supposedly coming through for more states in the future.

I read about it in a very recent issue of Time magazine. Has anyone else heard about this? It only seems fair that, if some other guy has been porking your wife, you should be able to get rid of her without having to pay support for someone else's kids.

Rock

It was reported in todays Miami Herald. I am pasting some paragraphs. The key aspect of the law, as I understand it, is that the woman must have committed fraud. That means she must have misrepresented the pregnancy (lied about it) to her husband.


"Florida's Supreme Court unanimously ruled Thursday that the Fort Lauderdale boat worker missed a one-year deadline to file a claim against his estranged wife, Margaret J. Parker, for fraudulently representing his paternity when a court ordered him to pay support for the 3-year-old boy in 2001.

Parker didn't even know he wasn't the father until 2003 -- long after the deadline expired -- through a paternity test he ordered when his ex-wife sued him for failure to pay about $1,200 monthly in child support.

In delving into the often-vicious world of divorce and paternity cases, the high court failed to discuss Florida's ''paternity fraud'' law that the Legislature passed last year, when male lawmakers inveighed against deceptive women, and female legislators fretted about callous men abandoning children.

The new law gives men the right to avoid child-support payments if they gain ''newly discovered evidence'' that the child isn't theirs. The law requires the man to file a court petition 90 days after getting the paternity test.

Whether it will apply to Parker's long-standing case or other old paternity cases in the courts is unclear, said his Miami lawyer, Scott A. Lazar, who is considering filing a challenge under the new law. Lazar said he's sure the law will help blunt what would be a bad result from Thursday's court ruling."

[NicFrenchy]

It only seems fair that, if some other guy has been porking your wife, you should be able to get rid of her without having to pay support for someone else's kids.Well I certainly hope so. Actually he should be able to seek Divorce and get more than half of the Goods. Women should not get rewarded anything if they cheat. (same goes for men).

[George90]

It only seems fair that, if some other guy has been porking your wife, you should be able to get rid of her without having to pay support for someone else's kids.

Note that that is EXACTLY the current situation under the current laws!!! The guy in the case IS paying to support a child that is not his!!

Rock,

You seem to be operating under the illusion that family law in the US is intended to be 'fair'!

[Naked Gunz]

The court will deem it's in the best interest of the child that you continue to pay support if you have started to ,regardless of paternity, vice no one paying any support at all. There will NEVER be a male pill. Your choice is latex or a good doctor with a knife....

[BadBoy27]

I bang Asian (not Asian-American...bananas all) women exclusively, and will never go back! Best sex ever.

Sorry you've been conditioned to accept AW porkers. You're welcome to them all.
To me, pussy is the ONLY reason to relocate!AWs are far far far inferior and can never compare to the women of other countries when it comes to sex. I can say that because I have banged women from over 15 different countries and AWs are the least enjoyable experience of all (fast food quality though exceptions may exist). Now I take atleast 5 trips a year abroad and even here I look for ethnic/asian/europeans. Why waste our juices on something like AW.

I think it's the problem of our society. Society made AW the beast they are. Let's begin with a simple thing like language. Who wants to get fucked ? Who wants to get screwed ? Who wants to get creamed ? Funny it may sound but it does go deep into the unconscious and sex becomes a "bad" thing for AW from an early age as they listen to their dad, brothers and friends. They do sex because their body demands but deep inside they think, they are getting fucked. Quality of the sex goes down. Situation is only worsened by stupid magazines. I flip through once at a hair salon. It had an article on the front page: 7 must have things for women. Number 2 was a dildo.

Then this is this "AGE" thing. This has gone ridiculous. I try to bang older women here and younger ones outside the country. I like both. It's just that so little effort is required to get a good looking older women here than UGLY YOUNG one. Young ones do like us but just that her friends and the whole society come down on her asking " what are you doing with that old man ?" As I said it has gone beyond being ridiculos.

Then there is this career thing. How can a woman do a full time job, cook, and take care of kids. Sex has to be sacrificed. Family encourages: " you can do better" Freinds encourage "you can do better".. Her ambitions and expectations go sky high. poor thing pushes hard only to realize that attention she was getting when she was 21 has vanished into thin air faster than the blink of the eyes, Dad is busy with other things and Bothers screwing women. She tries in vain to "make love" with some "SUPER MAN" as opposed to getting "fucked". Problem is that the there is no such thing as a "SUPER MAN". She keeps looking, keeps searching. Finally finds her love in a cat or a dog, takes depression medicins and becomes bitter.

Then when we hit on her some day somwhere, she drives us to Asia or Europe or Brazil !! I haven't seen such a strong repulsive force LOL.

AWs can be great friend however. When you meet them, tell them casually that you have a girlferiend in China, Japan or Brazil etc. She will open up and tell you things you may have never heard before. I, in fact, feel sorry for them and our society is to blame. It's a miserable sad life when she is crossing 40 and there is nothing but a cat at home and no prospects outside the country.

[Dr X Man]

i read this a while ago somewhere but i find the article a great reading that's why i kept it:

i have found that american women are the most reverse sexist women in the world. they think their rep001 doesnt stink; it smells like ice cream. they expect men to pay for the privilege of being in their presence. they have the most rights of any human beings to ever live on the planet, yet they are still unhappy. they believe men conspire to pay them 76 cents on the dollar, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them, sexually harass them. they think that cooking or doing anything else nice for a man is slavery. so they will refuse to do it. they believe being argumentative and confrontational is what makes a strong woman. they prefer the frat boys, rich kids in bmws, and bad boys while theyre young and in their prime, then when they have 3 kids, sagging breasts, stretchmarks, varicose veins, they expect the nice men they ignored in their youth to come be a surrogate daddy to kids who arent his. american women complain that men are too aggressive in their approach. but if american women actually did their half of the work (initiating a conversation every once in a while or asking men out); if american women knew how to flirt (and meant it instead of flirting for attention then turning the guy down); if american women actually knew how to flirt instead of acting like cowards, then men wouldnt have to jump at the slightest sign of interest.

american women think their sexuality is worth more than men's. i know cause i've been to europe where women exchange sex.in- exchange for sex. here the women want to be impressed with both social and financial status before they will have sex with a man.

their ideal man is a rich excon/thug. they don't realize that these two are polar opposites. you hear women saying "i like bad boys", and in the same breath they will say "i just want a man who won't treat me like crap. " newsflash, sister. a bad boy will treat you like crap.

basically women don't have any social constraints on their behavior, because that is "oppressive", but it was for the good of everyone that women's behavior was regulated. men have violence, and there are laws against it. women have emotional terrorism, attention-whoring, acceptable prostitution, etc. these can not be legislated against. there must be social constraints against them. american society has convinced women that they are always right; that anything bad is a man's fault. so women will act free to do as they wish, with no consideration for anyone else.

i've come to realize that most american women have a princess mentality. this manifests itself when they need their "attention fix. " their parents fully convinced them that they were entitled to everything, and that few men are good enough for what they have.

american women will stare at you from across the room, smile, and gawk at you for hours. then when you approach one they will say they have a boyfriend. they will come up to you on a daily basis, rub your arm, smile and say hi,. then when you ask them to hang out they will say you got the wrong idea. they will initiate a conversation with you every time they see you for weeks, as if they're interested (yes i'm aware that it doesnt always mean theyre interested). they will exchange numbers with you and say "call me anytime. " then when you call and leave messages they won't answer. they won't call you either. or they will talk to you or date you a few times and you'll think everything's fine. then she will stop taking your calls. the next time you see her she's got her fat nose up in the air, laughing at you, as if she were some highly sought after prize.

since the victorian age, in anglo societies (us, uk, canada, oz, nz), women were put on a pedestal because they were the mothers of future generations. this was a probably a good idea at the time, because up to one-third of women died during child birth. so this inspired men's natural chilvarous nature to protect women. it is ok to put women on a pedestal as long as they are going to adhere to the rules of sexual constitution. not sleeping around. once a woman starts to sleep around, then her sex isn't of higher value than men's. the whole reason for putting women on a pedestal was because they would be mothers and they werent having sex with many men. the moment that women became sexually liberated, putting women on a pedestal should have been eliminated. but unfortunately women still hold onto the old notions that their sexuality is worth more than men's simply because theyre women. so they arent interested in a man who's on their level. no, a normal man is invisible. women want men who are many levels above them. but the women don't want to provide anything in return except for sex. this is in no way an equal partnership if one person brings more to the table and does most of the work while the other brings nothing and does no work.

as a result, women have almost nothing to offer men. except sex. they are no longer women, but instead walking caricatures of men in women's bodies. women are fully convinced of their moral superiority. just try disagreeing with one, especially if your opinion is not politically correct. you will find that you are no longer entitled to your own opinoin. in fact, you're an ignorant bastard, and you'd better change your opinion to fall in line with hers. these women have no problem with nagging, shaming, guilt tripping, insulting, withholding affection, etc to get their way. this is what happens when you convince women that they are always right; that women can do no wrong; that women are the ones who are really 'fair, just' etc.

the whole concept that a man should buy a woman a ring worth two months of his salary is further evidence of how degraded society is and how spoiled women are. in every other society, the father has to pay a dowry for the husband to accept his daughter. in america, women expect some diamond so she can impress her friends. that's fine, but is she going to spend $12, 000 on her husband? is she going to put $12, 000 down on the house?

i know some guys think certain western women are just as bad as american women. but in europe, being male isn't seen as being a crime as it is here in the states. women will automatically become more materialistic when their nation acculumates wealth (even in eastern countries, women's number one past-time is shopping). what is not natural is women thinking they are entitled to something just because they're women; that they are morally superior; that they should be catered to; that the man should always pay; that they are entitled to all the benefits of equality with none of the responsibilities and men should treat them in an old fashioned manner while the women snub that role.

i could go on forever.

[Digital Curry]

dear that asshole,

your premise that women's vote ruins the party for men has some basis, but i am not sure that is the greatest part of the problem with american women. i think the problem is the messages from rampant capitalism. constant advertisement teaches them to hate their bodies to fill their emptiness with material goods instead of filling themselves with cock.

is it any wonder? we leave their education in the hands of women hating, gay **** priests and fashion designers and money hungry ad execs. but who here on the forum really wants to take the effort to try and change our culture.

many of the countries you have fucked women in have voting for women. yet the women still are good or tolerable. it's not the vote... it's capitalism and religion.

you'd have better luck going up against the oil companies...

digitalcurry...


dear gentlemen,

...to improve our conditions right here and regain control as we used to have long ago.
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the writer proposes that year 1920, the enactement of the 19th amendment to the us constitution was the end

of us democracy. for the purpose of eventually doubling the income tax-base and in an instant to create a

mindless, screaming mass of voters/consumers who can be most easily and predictably controlled by well

aimed propaganda: "american women were given voting rights and could be nominated for position in

government". thereby "real" democracy died...

[Dr X Man]

Let's translate "loser" from AW American Women.

"Loser" in woman-speak simply means a man who is smart enough to do things that are in HIS best interest.

You don't spend your hard-earned money on women - you are a loser.

You expect regular sex - you are a loser.

You are not interested in marriage - you are a loser.

You don't want to be stuck with kids - you are a loser.

You don't want to slave away 60 hours a week so a woman can buy a new SUV every year - you are a loser.

You prefer non American women who treat you better - you are a huge loser.

The alternative to "loser" is a pussyfied man, or simply a pussy. A pussyfied man does what a woman wants - he is a docile schmuck who slaves away at work and pays her bills and not pesters her for sex. Another words, he is an ideal husband.

[DJ FourMoney]

Let's translate "loser" from AW American Women.

"Loser" in woman-speak simply means a man who is smart enough to do things that are in HIS best interest.

You don't spend your hard-earned money on women - you are a loser.

You expect regular sex - you are a loser.

You are not interested in marriage - you are a loser.

You don't want to be stuck with kids - you are a loser.

You don't want to slave away 60 hours a week so a woman can buy a new SUV every year - you are a loser.

You prefer non American women who treat you better - you are a huge loser.

The alternative to "loser" is a pussyfied man, or simply a pussy. A pussyfied man does what a woman wants - he is a docile schmuck who slaves away at work and pays her bills and not pesters her for sex. Another words, he is an ideal husband.

Cha-Ching!

Your other post is on point as well, but its a dead horse, we beat that on a daily around here, but none the less good reading and solid points.

I just heard on the local news cast, that in a recent survey, 60% of the 1,000 women survied, they would give up sex for 15 months for the wardrobe of their dreams.

They then interviewed a couple of random women and 2 of them said NO WAY would they do that, but one Asian girl said she would have no problem with it. They asked a older man how he felt about it and he said he would just pay for it and put the kobosh on no sex for 15 months. He was coined "A Problem Solver". He's a FOOL!

But that's what our culture has done to some men.

If that's not a form of "acceptable prostitution" I don't know what is!

[Sasha Coffee]

They then interviewed a couple of random women and 2 of them said NO WAY would they do that, but one Asian girl said she would have no problem with it. They asked a older man how he felt about it and he said he would just pay for it and put the kobosh on no sex for 15 months. He was coined "A Problem Solver". He's a FOOL!

But that's what our culture has done to some men.

If that's not a form of "acceptable prostitution" I don't know what is![/QUOTE]


Sadly gentlemen it is acceptable prostitution. Women the world over know that difference between men and women is.

Men need sex, women like it.

Being that women can go without it even though we enjoy it. If we don't get it we don't have the same need for it as men. Unfortunately for men as soon as a woman learns this it means that she is going to use it against you. The clothes question is the perfect portrayal of it.

This is the reason that most women hate working girls. We know the same rules that the office lady knows, its just we don't care. We will provide the service that most women don't. (Guess what we even end up with the presents that they would get if they did provide.)

I suppose you could say the working girl is your defence against the evil wallet grabbers.

[Yogin]

I'm back in grad school now, and you wouldn't believe the angry pathetic idiotic whiny ramblings I have to listen to from my fellow students, 80% in my program who are women. The following were about so-called gender pay inequity:
Bitter faded beauty who was hot at 20, but now at 40 has lost most of her looks at a rapid pace due to horrible attitude: Why do airline pilots make so much more than flight attendents? (um, maybe because the talent, training, skills, experience, and education is far beyond that required to be a stewardess...supply & demand...also that from the moment the door closes countless lives literally are in their hands perhaps??!)
Manlike Lesbian: Why do Women's National Basketball Association players make only a fraction that the male thugs of the NBA make? (I've no love for these guys either, but someone is paying $500 for a seat to see them, $300 for a pair of shoes he's endorsing, or watching them on TV, so they are creating incredible wealth and deserve to share in it).

I kept these responses to myself, knowing that reason, logic and fact would not hold a candle to their precious "feelings". I'd be accused of "feminist backlash" and dismissed as irrelevant. So much for academic freedom.
I facetiously suggested the government step in and fix salary levels for each and every job. Some of these stupid sows actually seemed to buy that idea!

I chose not to point out that male models make a fraction of female, same for porn stars.

Everyone! Read The Myth of Male Power by Ferrell. The guy debunks feminist BS, all the dogma that has been crammed down our throats over the past 40 years. All with well-documented sources, not just a hit piece.

Anyone have any advice for me? I'm in this for two years, so I must find a way to work with and get along with them. Just keep it to myself and let off steam here and to my friends?

[Neon Noodle]

SNL - Timelife Valentines. Funny vid. "Keeping up with the Jones" part rings true with some AW.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1229769027015796668

[BadBoy27]

Check this one out:

http://asiafind.com/p/member.cgi?m=24080594_79691&dcb=asiafind&mid=17506144_42599

She is coming here with an ad flashing.

Just like we go outside the US to find quality women, they come here to find quality men. I don't blame them. LOL

Good to see women in other countries becoming rich. Now they can afford to come here. Welcome.

[Dr X Man]

I have read a great article a while back. I can not find it. It might have been post even here.

I have this female friend. The first time I took her out and was not a date. The second time I took her to my place. She said you paid for two dinners and want to have sex!! She was expecting and waiting for me to spend more before I get in her pants.

I am interested to read more about women acceptable prostitution.

[Dr X Man]

They then interviewed a couple of random women and 2 of them said NO WAY would they do that, but one Asian girl said she would have no problem with it. They asked a older man how he felt about it and he said he would just pay for it and put the kobosh on no sex for 15 months. He was coined "A Problem Solver". He's a FOOL!

But that's what our culture has done to some men.

If that's not a form of "acceptable prostitution" I don't know what is!The oldest profession in the world will never die and would take different forms. Working girls rock. It is simple and easy. No mind games.

Though, everywho you would find good and bad. As there is non-working girl who will waste your time, money and play you games. There are working girls who will irritate you.

Sasha,

Have you seen the movie "40 days and 40 nights"?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243736/

It says it all.


Sadly gentlemen it is acceptable prostitution. Women the world over know that difference between men and women is.

Men need sex, women like it.

Being that women can go without it even though we enjoy it. If we don't get it we don't have the same need for it as men. Unfortunately for men as soon as a woman learns this it means that she is going to use it against you. The clothes question is the perfect portrayal of it.

This is the reason that most women hate working girls. We know the same rules that the office lady knows, its just we don't care. We will provide the service that most women don't. (Guess what we even end up with the presents that they would get if they did provide.)

I suppose you could say the working girl is your defence against the evil wallet grabbers.

[Misinformation]

Friends, I read this forum and sense a lot of resentment and bitterness. It can not be this way. The fact of the matter is that gender roles in our society have changed and the frustration we feel is a result of it. Since the beginning of time men have been the hunter-gatherers and women have been the caretakers of home and children.

500,000 years of evolution is suddenly redundant.

A man is better with an axe or a spear, etc. A woman is better at raising children, organizing homes, etc.

Traditional things like lawyer, banker, clerk, programmer, teacher, doctor, accountant. Man and woman are the same. There is no longer a traditional role for man or woman, husband and wife. They are equal and the same except for sexual organs. Not sure why there is such a fuss over gay marriage because it is the same thing.

Remember classic TV? The man comes home from work, sits on the couch, the wife brings him a beer? This is history. Forget it. Finished. If you want this you need to go to rural counties in Iowa. They still make women who like to bake.

Not sure what I am talking about.

[Misinformation]

Remember the song.

And from my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you.

She sure could cook.

[Sasha Coffee]

Don't think I've seen it. But next time I get day off work and I'm not sleeping through it I will look for it the DVD shop.

As for baking and bringing a man a beer.

Well I think I can do both. The trick is do I want to. Well that depends on the man and the attitude. No I'm not going to bake and bring a beer to a man who sits on the couch and doesn't have a job. And I'm not going to do it if I've been working all day and he's had the day off. But I will do it happily if I've had the day off and he's been at work. I will even cook dinner and do the housework.

Its not about feminism or money its about respect and working together.

Perhaps thats what women need to learn and remember. Respect is a two way street. All the men I know would do anything to make me smile but then I work hard to put the same smile on their face.


Good luck guys. But if you get bored paying for a few dinners and heaps of drinks. Remember a holiday in New Zealand will remind how women are.

[George90]

And from my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you.

Many women do exactly that! I have met some women who believe that good-looking men have too easy a time being unfaithful. They prefer to marry plain looking men who will have a harder time finding a woman to be unfaithful with.

In mongering I have found that to contain some truth for WGs. Really gorgeous women are duds in bed. The plainer women know their looks alone won't cut it so they work harder to please a man.

[Rock Dog]

Many women do exactly that! I have met some women who believe that good-looking men have too easy a time being unfaithful. They prefer to marry plain looking men who will have a harder time finding a woman to be unfaithful with.


This might go some ways towards explaining why you often see really attractive women with average-looking joes. I call it "The Safety Factor". The idea, from the woman's perspective, is that he will be so thankful for getting a good looking woman, that he'd never dream of looking for something else.

In reality, this idea is completely wrong. Guys are guys no matter where you go. There's always going to be that need for variety. There's always going to be the need for a little excitement. Sure, the wife might be good looking. But after doing it a couple hundred times, things get to be a routine. There will always be a significant percentage of men who are going to go out and find themselves a little something extra.

Not surprisingly, women absolutely HATE this idea. The only ones that seem to understand it are the ones who benefit from it..... like dancers, MP workers and WGs. I've had many enlightening discussions with them on this subject. It's funny how something becomes a lot more acceptable to women when they can make money off of it.

And why would anyone ever think an ugly guy would be more faithful? Not getting laid for all those teenage years. When they get a little older and have some money..... it's like a dam bursting, they're gonna go nuts!

Rock

[George90]

This might go some ways towards explaining why you often see really attractive women with average-looking joes. I call it "The Safety Factor". The idea, from the woman's perspective, is that he will be so thankful for getting a good looking woman, that he'd never dream of looking for something else.

In reality, this idea is completely wrong. Guys are guys no matter where you go. There's always going to be that need for variety. There's always going to be the need for a little excitement. Sure, the wife might be good looking. But after doing it a couple hundred times, things get to be a routine. There will always be a significant percentage of men who are going to go out and find themselves a little something extra.

Rock

That may be the case, but it isn't what I was referring to.

I made no mention of how attractive or unattractive the woman was. I spoke only about the man. The issue is not one of being grateful for having a woman. The issue is how much selection a plain-looking man has. Can he get to choose whatever woman he wants? Many women believe the answer to be NO!

[George90]

And why would anyone ever think an ugly guy would be more faithful? Not getting laid for all those teenage years. When they get a little older and have some money..... it's like a dam bursting, they're gonna go nuts!

Rock

The bursting dam analogy may be correct. But again, it is not the issue.

The issue is not whether or not a man wants to be faithful or not. The issue is whether a man can successfully be unfaithful, should he so desire. Many women believe that an ugly man who desires to be unfaithful will not be as successful in that goal as a handsome man who wants to be unfaithful.

According to the women I spoke with about this, a woman is more likely to have sex with a handsome man than with an ugly man, all other things being equal.

[Yogin]

But of course, money is the great equalizer.

There's a "reality" show called Beauty & the Geek, where they team up idiotic young hot women with brilliant nerds some of whom have never kissed a girl. I imagine these women in 15-20 years, their looks totally shot, fat, bitter and angry at being alone, cast aside and ignored. Possibly a minority of them will have married/divorced money a few times to accumulate a little wealth, but men will have no use for them, with their negativity.

Meanwhile the nerds will have created and sold the next Google or YouTube, and no matter their looks, will have their choice of women.

Btw: I've seen plenty of of guys married to gorgeous women who cheated on them with fat ugly broads. Variety, boredom, need for grateful attention? Perhaps.

[Sasha Coffee]

But of course, money is the great equalizer.

There's a "reality" show called Beauty & the Geek, where they team up idiotic young hot women with brilliant nerds some of whom have never kissed a girl. I imagine these women in 15-20 years, their looks totally shot, fat, bitter and angry at being alone, cast aside and ignored. Possibly a minority of them will have married/divorced money a few times to accumulate a little wealth, but men will have no use for them, with their negativity.

Meanwhile the nerds will have created and sold the next Google or YouTube, and no matter their looks, will have their choice of women.

Btw: I've seen plenty of of guys married to gorgeous women who cheated on them with fat ugly broads. Variety, boredom, need for grateful attention? Perhaps.


Wow this report is insightful and perfectly correct. Very well put Yogin, hope you are the YouTube type.

Down here in New Zealand we have a saying. Be nice to the Nerds one day they will be your boss.

[Opebo]

Yogin I would just like to briefly dispute the notion that intelligence leads to economic reward - in fact such an occurrence is rare. Economic 'success' results almost entirely from one's class origins, and the 'geeks' such as Bill Gates were mostly sons of multi-millionaires. Many poors are intelligent, and of course they die poor just as they lived. In our economic system, the elite propagates the elite, Yogin. If it didn't, believe me they would change it to make it so.

[Cyberdas]

I thought this would be a good place to post a copy of this article.

Here's the link:
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/LoveAndMoney/MoreMoneyBetterSex.aspx

More money, better sex

If you ask the superrich, wealth is an aphrodisiac, especially for women, a recent survey finds.

By MarketWatch

The richer you are, apparently, the better sex you have. That's according to a recent survey of more than 600 high-net-worth individuals. And rich women, it seems, enjoy sex the most.

"In seeking a higher-quality sexual experience, the number of well-heeled women that lead more adventurous and exotic sex lives, have had an affair or joined the mile-high club far outdistances that of men -- and the affluent gender gap in views on sex doesn't end there," Hannah Shaw Grove and Russ Alan Prince, two well-known researchers on the habits of the rich and famous, found.

Grove and Prince surveyed people with an average net worth of $89 million, and who make more than $9 million per year. They found that money is an enabler in a number of ways to enhance sexual experiences.

"The majority of men and women credit their private wealth with achieving a better sex life. When viewed separately, a larger percentage of women agree with the statement, perhaps indicating that females derive a greater degree of empowerment from their financial independence than their male counterparts," the survey, "Money as an Aphrodisiac -- Being Rich Means Getting Lucky on Your Own Terms," found.

Some 84% of rich women and 63% of rich men say having money means having better sex.

In the survey, three-quarters of men cited more frequent sex and a greater variety of partners as the primary benefits of having wealth, revealing a fascination with quantity. "In short, men equate more with better," Grove and Prince write.

By contrast, women placed significantly less value on the volume of sexual interactions and partners they had than the overall excellence of the experience: Nearly 93% of women cited higher-quality sex as the greatest sexual benefit of personal wealth -- and the biggest benefit overall to being rich.

"And while having sex with multiple partners simultaneously was less important to both genders, more than three times as many men cited it as a benefit than women did," Grove and Prince said.

Membership in the mile-high club
The rich people surveyed believe their fortunes allow them to lead more daring and exciting sex lives than they otherwise would have if they had less money.

"It is difficult to identify the benchmark for adventurous and exotic sex -- since what might entice one person could leave another indifferent," Grove and Prince noted. "But the much higher response rate from wealthy women once again underscores the liberating byproducts of money as it relates to sexual exploration."

For example, 72% of wealthy women say they have now joined the "mile-high club," which means they have had sex in an airplane. Meanwhile, 33% of men say they have had sex in flight.

The survey found that all of the participants owned private jets, either partly or outright. So wealth affording privacy may explain the high membership percentages there.

The average age of the survey respondents was 57 and most of them, 85%, are currently married. More than half of respondents had been divorced at least once and almost half, 44%, had already remarried.

Yet, money doesn't instill a sense of fidelity: 53% of the wealthy men surveyed, and 73% of the wealthy women surveyed, say they have had extramarital affairs.

According to "The Monogamy Myth: A Personal Handbook for Dealing with Affairs," 60% of men and 40% of women will have an extramarital affair.

And while Grove and Prince point out that the world's wealthiest men and women feel the same way about sex as their less wealthy counterparts do -- that is, feel sex is important -- clearly having more money can add to the experience.

Click here to see the full survey results and find out more about the habits of the wealthy.

This article was reported and written by Thomas Kostigen for MarketWatch.

Published Feb. 10, 2007

[Capt Ajax]

Wow, a net worth of not less than $89 million, AM are screwed!!!!!!!!


More money, better sex

If you ask the superrich, wealth is an aphrodisiac, especially for women, a recent survey finds.

By MarketWatch

The richer you are, apparently, the better sex you have. That's according to a recent survey of more than 600 high-net-worth individuals. And rich women, it seems, enjoy sex the most.

"In seeking a higher-quality sexual experience, the number of well-heeled women that lead more adventurous and exotic sex lives, have had an affair or joined the mile-high club far outdistances that of men -- and the affluent gender gap in views on sex doesn't end there," Hannah Shaw Grove and Russ Alan Prince, two well-known researchers on the habits of the rich and famous, found.

Grove and Prince surveyed people with an average net worth of $89 million, and who make more than $9 million per year. They found that money is an enabler in a number of ways to enhance sexual experiences.

"The majority of men and women credit their private wealth with achieving a better sex life. When viewed separately, a larger percentage of women agree with the statement, perhaps indicating that females derive a greater degree of empowerment from their financial independence than their male counterparts," the survey, "Money as an Aphrodisiac -- Being Rich Means Getting Lucky on Your Own Terms," found.

Some 84% of rich women and 63% of rich men say having money means having better sex.

In the survey, three-quarters of men cited more frequent sex and a greater variety of partners as the primary benefits of having wealth, revealing a fascination with quantity. "In short, men equate more with better," Grove and Prince write.

By contrast, women placed significantly less value on the volume of sexual interactions and partners they had than the overall excellence of the experience: Nearly 93% of women cited higher-quality sex as the greatest sexual benefit of personal wealth -- and the biggest benefit overall to being rich.

"And while having sex with multiple partners simultaneously was less important to both genders, more than three times as many men cited it as a benefit than women did," Grove and Prince said.

Membership in the mile-high club
The rich people surveyed believe their fortunes allow them to lead more daring and exciting sex lives than they otherwise would have if they had less money.

"It is difficult to identify the benchmark for adventurous and exotic sex -- since what might entice one person could leave another indifferent," Grove and Prince noted. "But the much higher response rate from wealthy women once again underscores the liberating byproducts of money as it relates to sexual exploration."

For example, 72% of wealthy women say they have now joined the "mile-high club," which means they have had sex in an airplane. Meanwhile, 33% of men say they have had sex in flight.

The survey found that all of the participants owned private jets, either partly or outright. So wealth affording privacy may explain the high membership percentages there.

The average age of the survey respondents was 57 and most of them, 85%, are currently married. More than half of respondents had been divorced at least once and almost half, 44%, had already remarried.

Yet, money doesn't instill a sense of fidelity: 53% of the wealthy men surveyed, and 73% of the wealthy women surveyed, say they have had extramarital affairs.

According to "The Monogamy Myth: A Personal Handbook for Dealing with Affairs," 60% of men and 40% of women will have an extramarital affair.

And while Grove and Prince point out that the world's wealthiest men and women feel the same way about sex as their less wealthy counterparts do -- that is, feel sex is important -- clearly having more money can add to the experience.

Click here to see the full survey results and find out more about the habits of the wealthy.

This article was reported and written by Thomas Kostigen for MarketWatch.

Published Feb. 10, 2007

[Rock Dog]

George90,

I was going to clarify my position, but Yogin did such an excellent job that there isn't any need.

It's true that a guy who isn't physically appealing has the same opportunities as a handsome hunk. This is even more true for females.... and I think that is the reason why they think it will keep their homely hubby from gettin' some extra side action.

The truth is: A.) looks aren't everything. B.) guys LOVE variety. C.) the best looking woman in the world is going to get routine eventually.

Think about it...... you've made a connection with some woman you just met. Tonights the night! There's a certain thrill that comes from doing it with that woman for the first time..... even the first few times. But after a while it always starts to get routine. That's the reason why some guys, no matter what their looks, will always be tempted. It's the thrill.

Rock

[Rubber Nursey]

Ummm, Rock...are you suggesting that women will purposefully condemn themselves to a lifetime of sex with a man they don't find attractive, just so that other women won't try to steal him????

[George90]

George90,

The truth is: A.) looks aren't everything. B.) guys LOVE variety. C.) the best looking woman in the world is going to get routine eventually.

Think about it...... you've made a connection with some woman you just met. Tonights the night! There's a certain thrill that comes from doing it with that woman for the first time..... even the first few times. But after a while it always starts to get routine. That's the reason why some guys, no matter what their looks, will always be tempted. It's the thrill.

Rock

Your points are valid. That's why I made the all important caveat of "all other things being equal". The appropriate comparison is between 2 guys who are identical in everything except looks. Same money, same desire for variety, etc, just different looks.

[George90]

Ummm, Rock...are you suggesting that women will purposefully condemn themselves to a lifetime of sex with a man they don't find attractive, just so that other women won't try to steal him????

No, he isn't. I am suggesting that!

And I didn't say that the wife didn't find him attractive, or at least attractive enough. I said the wife felt he wasn't attractive enough to be able to easily find women to be unfaithful with. He wasn't so attractive that other women were throwing themselves at him.

I guess you disagree? What are your comments then?

[Rubber Nursey]

Well, for a start, logic dictates that whatever the guy had that attracted *me* to him, could end up attracting someone else. Unless your guy is a 40 year old virgin when you hook up, the fact that he's slept with other women before you generally confims this theory.

Secondly - and this is only a generalisation - looks aren't necessarily a deciding factor in who a woman sleeps with. Most girls I know fall for that undefinable 'X-factor', rather than chiselled cheekbones or a nice arse. If your guy has that 'X-factor' something; be it his sense of humour, his charisma or, as constantly stated in this section, his money or power; other women are likely to find it sexy too.

And thirdly - he could always pay for sex with a hooker. Or get some tramp drunk at the local bar. Or help some desperate Uni student with her tuition fees. Fact is, if a man really wants to screw around on his wife, there will always be someone willing to help him out, regardless of his looks.

I think most hot women who hook up with average looking men, do it because THEY LOVE THEM. Because he's smart or funny or treats her like a princess. Because he's a good husband and provider. Because he'll make a good Dad. Whatever. I just can't see any woman consciously deciding to spend her life with someone she honestly believes is not smart/funny/cute/rich/hot enough to ever pick up anyone else.

[Rock Dog]

Secondly - and this is only a generalisation - looks aren't necessarily a deciding factor in who a woman sleeps with. Most girls I know fall for that undefinable 'X-factor', rather than chiselled cheekbones or a nice arse. If your guy has that 'X-factor' something; be it his sense of humour, his charisma or, as constantly stated in this section, his money or power; other women are likely to find it sexy too.

And thirdly - he could always pay for sex with a hooker. Or get some tramp drunk at the local bar. Or help some desperate Uni student with her tuition fees. Fact is, if a man really wants to screw around on his wife, there will always be someone willing to help him out, regardless of his looks.

RN, you have partly answered your own question. There is always that x-factor that will attract a woman to a certain man. However, it's the third point that you made that really confirms what I've been trying to say. Regardless of his looks, a man who wants a little variety will always be able to get some if he's sufficiently motivated.

Some women see a guy who isn't so great to look at..... and this actually makes him more attractive because of a false sense of security. This false sense of security comes from the WOMAN'S idea that the man is guaranteed to be faithful because of his looks. I've been trying to make the point that this is not always true.

Rock

[Sasha Coffee]

Come on people.

It is impossible for either sex to sustain a committed and monogamous relationship.

Both men and women will eventually stray. Although it is normally the man first, Buts let not be ostriches.

Human beings are like most other animals and not designed to mate for life.

[Rock Dog]

Come on people.

It is impossible for either sex to sustain a committed and monogamous relationship.

Both men and women will eventually stray. Although it is normally the man first, Buts let not be ostriches.

Human beings are like most other animals and not designed to mate for life.

Sasha, well put!!

I couldn't have said it better myself!

Rock

[Yogin]

So true.

There's ample anthropological/biological/ethological evidence that both are meant to stray. For men it means spreading seed as widely as possible to ensure his genes are carried on. For women it means taking in as much variety as possible to increase chances of at least some offspring surviving. This means the woman will sneak out to be impregated by a man she finds exciting (aggressive, strong, etc) and then "bond" (haha) with another man who is more nurturing, providing, and will act the good father, raising the other guy's kids.

We evolved this way.

[Dr X Man]

I think there is an exception to each rule. There are faithful and unfaithful humans (men or women). Personally, I have never cheated on a girl call me whatever you want to call me but it's the truth. When I loved I made love and I felt different. I am talking about my own exprience. Though, I had the chance to cheat on her (one of my lovers). This lover girl drove me crazy. I made her jeoulous and took her friend home. I kept on talking about my lover girl and did not have sex with her friend though she gave me a bj.
I felt it's pure sex.


Come on people.

It is impossible for either sex to sustain a committed and monogamous relationship.

Both men and women will eventually stray. Although it is normally the man first, Buts let not be ostriches.

Human beings are like most other animals and not designed to mate for life.What you say is true but not all the time. As per the other members discussions both are valid. Only statistics can tell which opinion is more valid but there are things that can't be quantified as looks or taste. No offense but I do not like, not attracted to, black women. She might be very pretty but it's a personal thing.

Just a thought

Sasha have you seen the movie? It's nice thoughtful comedy.

[DJ FourMoney]

I think there is an exception to each rule. There are faithful and unfaithful humans (men or women). Personally, I have never cheated on a girl call me whatever you want to call me but it's the truth. When I loved I made love and I felt different. I am talking about my own exprience. Though, I had the chance to cheat on her (one of my lovers). This lover girl drove me crazy. I made her jeoulous and took her friend home. I kept on talking about my lover girl and did not have sex with her friend though she gave me a bj.
I felt it's pure sex.

What you say is true but not all the time. As per the other members discussions both are valid. Only statistics can tell which opinion is more valid but there are things that can't be quantified as looks or taste. No offense but I do not like, not attracted to, black women. She might be very pretty but it's a personal thing.

Just a thought

Sasha have you seen the movie? It's nice thoughtful comedy.

I agree with X -

I have been faithful, its quite easy actually. I only started talking to other women (online) when I felt I could do better than my current gf. There was basically nothing wrong with her, just a weight issue that until pushed wasn't going to solve itself. In the end, she still wasn't all I needed (key word - NEED) , even though she lost quite of bit of weight, there were other issues about her personality that bothered me more.

I can be satified, I know what I need.

[Rock Dog]

Hahahaa!

DrX, your real name must be Clinton. You had your dick in her mouth, and she sucked on it until you had an orgasm....... but that wasn't sex.

I guess that means all across the nation, guys like us are paying $$$ to not have sex either :D

Rock

[George90]

It is impossible for either sex to sustain a committed and monogamous relationship.

Then why is it that there are MANY who do sustain monogmous relationships?

Because some people CAN'T find willing mates outside their relationship.




Human beings are like most other animals and not designed to mate for life.

Agreed. But my point was NEVER about design or desire for other mates. It was about CAPABILITY of finding and keeping other mates.

[Yogin]

Uh huh sure, not sex. Reminds me of all the religious fanatics who've done handjobs, BJ's, even anal intercourse, yet claim to be virgins. This shows the dangers of strict puritanical rules on sex. It always leads to seeking loopholes to get around all our retarded rules and conventions.

[Naked Gunz]

After having been raked over the coals by his divorce. After pissing and moaning on the air about marriage. The King of all media, who proclaimed he would never marry again, got engaged to his long time GF, Beth O. It goes to show that if you have what they want, especially money..the tender trap will wait you out, wear you down and pull you in- no matter how long it takes.

Let's be careful out there...

[Dr X Man]

Ok yes, she gave me a BJ but I did not even get a hard on. I was thinking about my female friend at that time. That was the time I realized she loves me and I love her. It's her jealousy.

I did not disagree with you or Sasha either.


Hahahaa!

DrX, your real name must be Clinton. You had your dick in her mouth, and she sucked on it until you had an orgasm....... but that wasn't sex.

I guess that means all across the nation, guys like us are paying $$$ to not have sex either :D

Rock

[Rock Dog]

If I was really rich.... let's say in the 10 to 50 million dollar range, I wouldn't under any circumstances EVER get married.

I'd have a series of long-term girlfriends, but I'd also fuck whatever attractive women I could. I'd fuck them wherever and whenever they'd let me..... which would be quite often seeing as I was so rich. When the long-term GF's got pissed off about this, I'd trade em in no problem at all.

Kids? Just pay some healthy woman with a good set of ovaries to have some for me. I'd even come around to visit once in awhile. But never, would I ever get married. How these rich guys ( who are presumedly supposed to be smarter than me) keep getting sucked into these arrangements is totally beyond me. Ah well.

Rock

[George90]

But never, would I ever get married. How these rich guys ( who are presumedly supposed to be smarter than me) keep getting sucked into these arrangements is totally beyond me. Ah well.

Rock

That is because the sex prison goes away when you have enough money. It even becomes a sex paradise! When I was a teen in high school, I worked in a hospital on week-ends with dozens of other teen-agers.

We would see all kinds of young doctors getting played by the nurses! These guys spent every waking moment studying in med school. Now they finish and do their residencies in hospitals and all the young unmarried nurses go after them like vultures after road kill. Most of the docs are so naive they don't know what is happening. Some play the nurses right back.

The problems start after the nurses marry them. You should see the wives of the some of the seasoned doctors. You would wonder what a man could see in them, and their personalities are worse than their looks.

But when these nurses were young, they were hot enough to distract a new doctor and hook him. Ordinary guys don't get that kind of treatment so we don't understand how rich guys can marry.

[Chocha Monger]

Marriage usually happens when a man gets the idea that there is something more to his relationship with women than sensually gratifying sex. Eventually, he figures out that there isn't but by then it's usually too late to do anything about it.

Anyway, most American men will get pressured or duped into matrimony one or more times. Most guys only see marriage for what it really is in this country after some life altering experience.

[CBGBConnisur]

Feminism is primarily an Anglo American creation and will decline as Anglo American civilization declines, which is already about to happen over the next 20 years, the fall of the US Dollar over the past five years is not an abnormality, it is the beginning of the decline of the US dollar as the world's premiere currency. Within the Western world(actually feminism is largely confined to the West) I see feminism dying in Europe before America, Papal influence is growing rapidly on the Continent and with it will come more traditional values, "feminism" is not a traditional value, and the Catholic church has long been a target of the feminist controlled media. Europe's Christian right is just beginning to take power and it the not too soon future the feminist controlled leftists will fade into obscurity. Once in Europe this trend will make its way across the pond into the US as Europe supplants the US as the world superpower. The other coming superpower, China, doesn't value feminism since its a totalitarian state.
We can look back and blame the feminist movement with hastening America's decline. Why? Feminism largely disrupts the traditional social hierarchy of the family where father knows best, this has led to skyrocketing divorce rates in all Anglophone countries, an increasing number of single parent households(usually led by a female), children raised by single mothers are far more likely to become dysfunctional adults, and there is the root source of the problem. Another problem is falling birth rates, most strong societies need young people, because they work, pay taxes, fight wars, etc.

[One Wing Low]

That sums it up.

[Opebo]

While I have no doubt that many of you are correct in stating that feminism has something of a destabilizing effect on the function of societies, particularly in the production of more workers, how can anyone dispute the reasoning of individuals wanting not to be treated as inferiors by other individuals? I mean, yes, I can understand your desire to 'keep them down', but surely you can admit that, in their shoes, you would desire to not be 'kept down'?

[Yogin]

... i can understand your desire to 'keep them down', but surely you can admit that, in their shoes, you would desire to not be 'kept down'?

feminism is not content to get equal opportunity & rights, free & easy birth control access etc. it will not have accomplished its goals until they have the upper hand in all areas of life (which they already do in laws, customs, and institutions). look at the whining about "gender parity" in wages, jobs with few women, & the so-called "glass ceiling". maybe the explanation is more simple: they don't want to work in the sciences, or jobs that require 80 hour work weeks, or are dangerous, or that require extensive travel or moving to a crappy city. anglo-american feminism demands all the benefits but none of the responsibility.

sex abuse of women on boys is waaay underreported, as police & prosecutors won't do anything save for a handful of "show" cases, especially if the woman is hot, as in the fla. case where she got house arrest. a man doing that with a 13 year old girl would do 25 years of hard time. same for spousal abuse of women on men.

this doctrine and dogma that they are oppressed victims must no longer go unchallenged. read "the myth of male power". it will debunk all the lies we have internalized, even the most independent thinkers among us.

how can anyone, even women, and most of my women friends agree with me on this, defend a school of thought that calls all straight sex [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), all men [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127), and calls for the male population to be reduced to 10%? i sure wouldn't want to be a college student these days, what with the "date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" mass hysteria. if i did have sex as one, i'd demand she sign a detailed release form approved by my attorney, where she initials and dates each and every activity that will be permitted. that way, when her roommate drags her to a "womyn's center" meeting three months later and they fill her with bile and she realizes that she had too much to drink and was "raped", i'll whip out my handy document.

[George90]

Feminism is primarily an Anglo American creation and will decline as Anglo American civilization declines, which is already about to happen over the next 20 years, the fall of the US Dollar over the past five years is not an abnormality, it is the beginning of the decline of the US dollar as the world's premiere currency. Within the Western world(actually feminism is largely confined to the West) I see feminism dying in Europe before America, Papal influence is growing rapidly on the Continent and with it will come more traditional values, "feminism" is not a traditional value, and the Catholic church has long been a target of the feminist controlled media. Europe's Christian right is just beginning to take power and it the not too soon future the feminist controlled leftists will fade into obscurity. Once in Europe this trend will make its way across the pond into the US as Europe supplants the US as the world superpower. The other coming superpower, China, doesn't value feminism since its a totalitarian state.

I disagree. I think feminism will continue for several more generations. It may change its form. Feminism has already evolved a bit away from the militant, confrontational form it was in the 60's and 70's. It has now a more sublte persuasive form that is more insidious and dangerous. Now, our media, educational system, and entertainment are infused with feminist propaganda that passes for social development.

Children's books have stories of same sex parents and single mother households as if these are not only the norm, but the ideal. Entire generations are growing up viewing men and males as at best unnecessary.

This education is reinforced by the entertainment industry. I read last week about the proliferatoin of TV shows and movies based on 'Doofus Dads'. These are men who are portrayed as incompetent to manage a household. I have posted in the past about the TV commercials that protray men are idiots. There is the Vonage ad where the woman describes how easy it is to use while the man acts like a ******* in the background. There is another one where 2 women are talking about window shades while a man blows up his barbeque grill. There are 2 new ones; one about 2 women describing a product (cable TV I think) while one's husband builds a comedy club in the background and its falls apart, and one about a man who can't figure out his income tax and the wife sarcastically talks to a box for help.

Cont'd

[George90]

Last week, a columnist wrote about how he is being attacked for speaking out against the baby that Cheney's daughter is having with her partner. I am posting a few paragraphs.

"The source of this ire? A column I wrote about Mary Cheney, who is a lesbian, pregnant and the daughter of the vice president. I thought it was a bad idea for Cheney and her life mate, Heather Poe, to have a baby, and I noted that this is an opinion I share with Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family fame.

That argument, for me, at least, is not about sexual orientation. My objection to Cheney and Poe is precisely the same one I have to heterosexual single women who decide to conceive children without benefit of a stable and involved father. I believe that our slide toward a fatherless society, a society where the male parent is considered optional, irrelevant or interchangeable, is toxic for our children.

So dad's involvement would seem vital to a child's well-being. And in reading those e-mails, I was repeatedly struck by the blithe way people disregarded that fact, by how eagerly they assured me fathers bring nothing to the table that cannot be replaced by an uncle, a coach, a family friend or other ''father figure.'' As one woman put it: ``To say that chromosomes or genitalia dictate the chances of happiness or success . . . for a family really makes no sense.''

But as 16 percent of white kids and a whopping 51 percent of black ones grow up father-free, facing all the difficulties that portends, I definitely have something against the idea, whether advanced by straight women or lesbians, that father is unnecessary, that so long as there's some uncle around to show a boy how to hit the mark in the toilet, everything is hunky dory.
"

So, American families are raising their children to believe that men are not an INTEGRAL part of the American family! That belief and conditioning is not going to change in 20 years. It will take several, possibly many, generations and possibly up to 60 or 70 years to reverse this effect. And that is if we start NOW!!! We are not starting now so I believe the adverse effects of feminism are going to last, in the US at least, for more than the next 100 years.

[Rock Dog]

george90,

What you said is true. There is a total bias against men in the media. This is particularly true in advertising. Why is this so? The answer is political correctness.

No one wants to be seen as beiing biased against ay other group. You can't use stereotypes in any way without risking some kind of backlash. EXCEPT for one..... the white heterosexual male. Somehow, WHMs are supposed to be the one group that's OK to make fun of. Maybe because we are somehow the ones "who control everything" so we don't mind being made fun of. Whatever.

This is why we see the same shitty commercials that rely on the same lame-ass premise. The advertisers don't have any other options.

Even more interesting, political correctness came into being directly though feminism. Most guys can take a joke. Historically, if someone did or said something that bothered us, we'd put up with it or go punch them in the nose. It's the women who can't take a joke. It's the women who fuss and fret over whether or not someone get's their feelings hurt. And it is the WOMENS way to all get together and organize a social resistance against something they don't like..... because the punch-the-nose option was never available to them.

Rock

[George90]

feminism is not content to get equal opportunity & rights, free & easy birth control access etc. it will not have accomplished its goals until they have the upper hand in all areas of life (which they already do in laws, customs, and institutions).

you are absolutely correct, yogin.

a recent example is the new law, imbra, that limits who an american man may marry. under the bogus claim that us men have an unfair superiority over non-us women, us men must submit a criminal, marital, and residential background history to a foreign woman before he can talk to her, if he used a dating/marriage agency to help him. also, a us man is now limited to 2 fiancee visas (k-1) in his lifetime. this effectively inhibits men from searching outside the us for wives.

there was an additional law that passed in late 2006 that prohibits any man with a sexual offense from ever receving a k-1 or spousal visa for a foreign wife. so, if a us man is even accused of something like date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), it goes on his record, and now he can't bring a foreign wife to the us. those duke lacrosse players are in for a nasty surprise should they fall in love with a non-us woman and want to bring her here.

[George90]

george90,

What you said is true. There is a total bias against men in the media. This is particularly true in advertising. Why is this so? The answer is political correctness.

No one wants to be seen as beiing biased against ay other group. You can't use stereotypes in any way without risking some kind of backlash. EXCEPT for one..... the white heterosexual male. Somehow, WHMs are supposed to be the one group that's OK to make fun of. Maybe because we are somehow the ones "who control everything" so we don't mind being made fun of. Whatever.

This is why we see the same shitty commercials that rely on the same lame-ass premise. The advertisers don't have any other options.

Even more interesting, political correctness came into being directly though feminism. Most guys can take a joke. Historically, if someone did or said something that bothered us, we'd put up with it or go punch them in the nose. It's the women who can't take a joke. It's the women who fuss and fret over whether or not someone get's their feelings hurt. And it is the WOMENS way to all get together and organize a social resistance against something they don't like..... because the punch-the-nose option was never available to them.

Rock

Rock,

Do you really think that feminism and anti-male crap is limited to White guys???? Have you not seen any commercials with Black guys being treated by Black women as just as big idiots as White women are seen treating their White husbands???

Ther was an insurance commercial about a newlywed couple who were moving into an apartment together. EVERYTHING that belonged to him that he wanted to keep, she felt was trashly, turned up her nose, and ordered it thrown in the garbage. The ONLY thing of his that was worthy enough for her to approve of was his insurance policy.

So, I strongly disagree that PC stuff limits feminist insults and degradation to White men. It is aimed at ALL men regardless of our individual race!

If there is anything that we men should be uniting on, across racial lines, it is being against the goal of feminism to make us irrelevant and humiliate and degrade us in the process.

[Opebo]

Guys, insults do not work if the person you are trying to insult is in the dominant position in the social heirarchy. For example you can't have a racial insult against a white, or a gender based insult against a male (you have to call him gay or effeminate to insult him). Insults have to have the weight of social oppression behind them to really hurt. In other words you are calling attention verbally to the person's very real inferior status.

Another way of putting this is there is no realistic way of insulting someone like George Bush.

[Yogin]

Guys, insults do not work if the person you are trying to insult is in the dominant position in the social heirarchy. ....Another way of putting this is there is no realistic way of insulting someone like George Bush.

Women, especially white ones, are on the top, in case you didn't notice.

I've heard many priceless & hilarious jokes that insult Bush, mostly regarding his intellect.

Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: That's not funny!!!

I saw a great cartoon (by a brilliant guy named Callahan) with this guy at the info counter in a store. He's being told: "This is a feminist bookstore. We don't have a humor section!"

Can't insult a white guy? Let's see:
cracker, honkey, asshole, dick, cock, mother**er, redneck...do those usually apply to white straight men? Are they offensive and meant to cause hurt? You bet.

It's true that institutions such as academia have become totally pervaded by subtle sneaky feminist dogma at every level. They run these places now. Most students are women. Yet they still pretend they are an "oppressed minority" in order to further promote their agenda, which includes controlling men and their sexuality (IMBRA, banning of porn & prostitution etc).

[Digital Curry]

another way of putting this is there is no realistic way of insulting someone like george bush.
i always thought it was george bush's emotional fragility that caused him to give speeches in front of captive audiences of military personel. they'll either laugh at his bad jokes or be courtmarshalled.

[One Wing Low]

He or she should just stop driving his/her SUV for a year.

Stop flying on fuel-guzzling jumbo jets to their favorite mongering spots.

Stop taking hot showers.

Stop turning on the heaters all winter long...

[Rubber Nursey]

...which includes controlling men and their sexuality (IMBRA, banning of porn & prostitution etc).

Banning prostitution is about controlling WOMEN'S sexuality.

[Dr X Man]

in the past

women requested and fought for equality

now;

men can not even ask for their equality. women would say “you are a man. it's a man world. are you going to cry like a baby or like a girl?”

they maintain their advantages while adding more rights.

feminism already surpassed in rights and opportunities


feminism is not content to get equal opportunity & rights, free & easy birth control access etc. it will not have accomplished its goals until they have the upper hand in all areas of life (which they already do in laws, customs, and institutions). look at the whining about "gender parity" in wages, jobs with few women, & the so-called "glass ceiling". maybe the explanation is more simple: they don't want to work in the sciences, or jobs that require 80 hour work weeks, or are dangerous, or that require extensive travel or moving to a crappy city. anglo-american feminism demands all the benefits but none of the responsibility.

sex abuse of women on boys is waaay underreported, as police & prosecutors won't do anything save for a handful of "show" cases, especially if the woman is hot, as in the fla. case where she got house arrest. a man doing that with a 13 year old girl would do 25 years of hard time. same for spousal abuse of women on men.

this doctrine and dogma that they are oppressed victims must no longer go unchallenged. read "the myth of male power". it will debunk all the lies we have internalized, even the most independent thinkers among us.

how can anyone, even women, and most of my women friends agree with me on this, defend a school of thought that calls all straight sex [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), all men [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127), and calls for the male population to be reduced to 10%? i sure wouldn't want to be a college student these days, what with the "date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" mass hysteria. if i did have sex as one, i'd demand she sign a detailed release form approved by my attorney, where she initials and dates each and every activity that will be permitted. that way, when her roommate drags her to a "womyn's center" meeting three months later and they fill her with bile and she realizes that she had too much to drink and was "raped", i'll whip out my handy document.

[Dodger Bulldog]

He or she should just stop driving his/her SUV for a year.

Stop flying on fuel-guzzling jumbo jets to their favorite mongering spots.

Stop taking hot showers.

Stop turning on the heaters all winter long...Damn, I could have sworn I did all of those things when Clinton was in office. And Reagan and Carter, too. (Well, I guess the SUV hadn't been invented that long ago.)

What the hell do any of them have to do with George W. Bush? Maybe YOUR world began the day he got into office, but the rest of us were already doing quite nicely, thank you.

Please come to your senses, OWL.

DB

[StudioCat]

The market is at record highs while unemployment is at record lows. Interest rates are moderate and housing is taking a long awaited chill. I'm no Bush groupie but let's keep things in perspective. I'm sure w did a few (female) cheerleader at Yale and has more pressing things on his mind than what the fe-nazis are up to. Personally our mayor Michael Bloomberg has done more to curtail our liberties than the current admisistration in Washington.

I personally think those gals get nothing but lip service (no pun intenended) from the current administration. Maria Cantwell is the chic to watch out for.

[Digital Curry]

He or she should just stop driving his/her SUV for a year.

Stop flying on fuel-guzzling jumbo jets to their favorite mongering spots.

Stop taking hot showers.

Stop turning on the heaters all winter long...
You think oil is our only choice? Brazil runs all their cars on sugar cane.

[Lenin]

Banning prostitution is about controlling WOMEN'S sexuality.I don’t think so.

One prostitute could serve hundreds of men.

So banning the prostitution hit the men hundreds time harder than prostitutes.

I have not been on this forum for 3 years.

It has been changed dramatically.

I remember 3 years ago so lot of naïve guys posted here.

[Mr Enternational]

Also, a US man is now limited to 2 fiancee visas (K-1) in his lifetime. This effectively inhibits men from searching outside the US for wives.I did not know that. A friend of mine had his girlfriend from Rio here in the states on a fiancée visa from Dec 2005 to March 2006. His son was born in Brazil in October 2006 and when he went to the U.S. Consulate in Rio to get his son a passport they pulled up his record and automatically asked him if he wanted to apply for another fiancée visa. He told them no and that he did not think that he could. But the foreign service officer told him that he could do it as many times as he wants as long as the person returns home before the visa has expired.

[George90]

I did not know that. A friend of mine had his girlfriend from Rio here in the states on a fiancée visa from Dec 2005 to March 2006. His son was born in Brazil in October 2006 and when he went to the U.S. Consulate in Rio to get his son a passport they pulled up his record and automatically asked him if he wanted to apply for another fiancée visa. He told them no and that he did not think that he could. But the foreign service officer told him that he could do it as many times as he wants as long as the person returns home before the visa has expired.

Check the provisions for IMBRA. There are a few sites that discuss it and several immigration lawyers who know it well. Googling it will yield effective results.

The IMBRA law came into effect in March of 2006. The immigration agencies were not prepared for it. A backlog of over 10,000 spousal visa requests developed by the summer and made those couples wait 9-12 months extra. In addition, there were not enough new forms, updated for the new law, printed up and another backlog for new petitions developed while more updated forms were printed. This was reported in the New York Times in December of '06 using a few couples in limbo as examples.

It is entirely possible that in Oct. 2006, consulates were not aware of it.

[Ezinho]

a recent example is the new law, imbra, that limits who an american man may marry. under the bogus claim that us men have an unfair superiority over non-us women, us men must submit a criminal, marital, and residential background history to a foreign woman before he can talk to her, if he used a dating/marriage agency to help him. also, a us man is now limited to 2 fiancee visas (k-1) in his lifetime. this effectively inhibits men from searching outside the us for wives.

there was an additional law that passed in late 2006 that prohibits any man with a sexual offense from ever receving a k-1 or spousal visa for a foreign wife. so, if a us man is even accused of something like date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), it goes on his record, and now he can't bring a foreign wife to the us. those duke lacrosse players are in for a nasty surprise should they fall in love with a non-us woman and want to bring her here.
hello, gentlemen, how is everything going in sex prison? are the women still cold and fat?

anyways, i just wanted to quickly comment on this imbra law that has been brought up. perhaps i am just drunk on the $7 usd pussy that is available here to me in ecuador, but i have a different perspective on this. although i oppose the premise of this law (actually, i can't believe it's even constitutional, but whatever) i personally could care less about it; perhaps this is a blessing in disguise?

here's the way i see it; you should not be bringing foreign women to the u.s in the first place. we have already established on this thread that aw are not born the way they are, they are a product of their environment. therefore, if this is true (and i believe it is), why the hell would you want to bring a women from a foreign country to the u.s (or western europe, or canada, or whichever sex prison you live in)? so that they can just turn into aw? no need to search abroad for that!

george90 mentioned that this new law "effectively inhibits men from searching outside the us for wives". no it doesn't! it doesn't do that at all, my friend! it prohibits men from bringing back women to the u.s. but it does not prevent you from leaving the country and getting married in any foreign country you want! and as for using dating agencies, forget them! just learn a little of the native language (i know, it might require some of you to crack open a book!) and just find women on your own, the old fashioned way. dating agencies are completly unecessary in the third world, trust me; it's a uniquely american/western creation, and there's no need for them. just walk up to a woman/group of women on the street and start talking, easy as that!

i always love reading this thread on the isg, but i get an especially big chuckle from it when i'm living abroad. i gotta really hand it to you guys that are still on here, fighting aw, feminism, and all the ridiculous laws that get passed by "our representatives" and signed into law by "our president". it's kind of like trying to save a ship that has already sunk to the bottom of the ocean. you guys are still on the [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) deck, desperately trying to clear the water from the ship.

as for me, i grabbed a life boat and got the hell out! hopefully, it will be a permanent escape within the next five years or so, but i suggest others on here do the same. you can call me lazy for not wanting to stick around and fight the good fight, but i just consider myself realistic.

[George90]

Here's the way I see it; you should not be bringing foreign women to the U.S in the first place. We have already established on this thread that AW are not born the way they are, they are a product of their environment. Therefore, if this is true (and I believe it is), why the hell would you want to bring a women from a foreign country to the U.S (or Western Europe, or Canada, or whichever Sex Prison you live in)? So that they can just turn into AW? No need to search abroad for that!

George90 mentioned that this new law "effectively inhibits men from searching outside the US for wives". No it doesn't! It doesn't do that at all, my friend! It prohibits men from BRINGING BACK women to the U.S. But it does not prevent you from leaving the country and getting married in any foreign country you want!

Ezinho,

What you wrote is very true. We still have the legal option of moving to another country, marrying there, and living happily ever after there. For most US men, that is only a long-run dream, essentially to retire someplace else. The vast majority of US men are still tied to the US due to our jobs and the incomes we can earn here. For those men, IMBRA is a real and effective c?ckblocker!

[George90]

And as for using dating agencies, forget them! Just learn a little of the native language (I know, it might require some of you to crack open a book!) and just find women on your own, the old fashioned way. Dating agencies are completly unecessary in the third world, trust me; it's a uniquely American/Western creation, and there's no need for them. Just walk up to a woman/group of women on the street and start talking, easy as that!


Dating agencies have their place. Some men and women don't need them. Some don't like them. Others find them useful. Men and women hwo have used them have told me that they liked the way an agency can screen men and women and get information about them to passon to an interested person before actually meeting them. To each his own. YMMV.

[Yogin]

Ezinho,
You make some good points. Our protests are somewhat like re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. But there's nothing futile about our finding ways to make the best of things if we feel we need to stick around here, either by fighting oppressive laws, traveling, etc. I find women on my own too, but a guy should be free to use an agency.

But no I disagree with you. Sure, if they are trying to escape from a poor desparate crappy situation and are 18, they will surely change immediately upon arrival to our sorry shores. But if they are a little older, have a decent education & career, I doubt they'll change much, according to my observations. Especially if from a more prosperous place such as Japan.

[CBGBConnisur]

He or she should just stop driving his/her SUV for a year.

Stop flying on fuel-guzzling jumbo jets to their favorite mongering spots.

Stop taking hot showers.

Stop turning on the heaters all winter long...
Bush's policies are most likely going to save the US in the long run but he no longer has the mandate to finish the job. As a result, the US dollar is falling, why? International investors are fleeing the greenback like rats on a sinking ship. If the US overwhelmed the world with its military might, this would not happen. The other problem is that Middle America is quickly disappearing, you see overwhelmingly rich people and poor people as well as lots of third world immigrants, my hometown looks more like Juarez Mexico than America. Guess where world bankers are now placing their confidence? The Euro, Europe is getting its act together big time, despite more unemployment, they have tradesurpluses and their governments are not neck deep in debt. You also don't see the superwide gaps between rich and poor, I am no Communist, even Theodore Roosevelt valued economic equality. Expect the dollar to tumble further this year. The media in America is constantly weeping about the fucktard Anna Nicole Smith, the plus sized model, who probably DO'd on some drug, what a new low.

[Opebo]

Bush's policies are most likely going to save the US in the long run but he no longer has the mandate to finish the job.

Hah, what policies are those? Wiping out prostitution around the globe?

[CBGBConnisur]

I'm just looking at history, most major powers of the past engaged in aggressive military action, almost all of these societies eventually declined due to forces from within. Rome, Britain, Napoleonic France, Portugal, Spain, and the Ottoman Empires were all brutal imperialistic powers.

[Jelly Donut]

As a result, the US dollar is falling, why? International investors are fleeing the greenback like rats on a sinking ship. If the US overwhelmed the world with its military might, this would not happen.

The value of the dollar is related to interest rates in the US and other countries. The United States in recent years raised interest rates and this helped make the dollar more valuable, but over the past year the Fed has slowed or stopped or maybe it's starting to reduce (if you know the answer please PM me) interest rates.

At the same time, interest rates in Japan and the EU have been way lower than US rates. Money has been cheap in those places. As those economies have started to "heat up" the central banks in those places have started to toy with increasing interest rates for the yen and the euro. This increases the value of those currencies and makes it more attractive to park money in yen or euros.

Not sure this all adds up to rats moving off the boat or signals the decline of the USA. But. If you are convinced this is a trend, well, there are ways you could make a buck off of it.

However, currencies are a very risky place to make bets. Conventional wisdom in, say, 2005 was that the dollar was going to decrease in value, but in the end it did not. If you made a bet that it was going to decrease in value you would have lost money.

I do think that it's interesting that the Vietnam War had what seemed to be such a direct relationship on inflation increasing in the US in the 1970's (during that time the Nixon administration gave up on the idea of a fixed exchange rate for the dollar), but that the Iraq War - which is certainly very costly - has not had the same impact. But, really, what does this have to do with American women?

Of course, Anna Nicole Smith has everything to do with American women, but it blows my mind that MSNBC, CNN and Fox News are giving this thing more attention than it's getting here. Blows my mind. Smith was all the things readers here expected from an AW. I was watching a couple of Fox people nearly crap themselves over Britney Spears latest haircut. Nuts. I wish they would at least spend some cycles on Bridget Moynahan. All these chicks are in the running for 2007 American Women of the Year for this thread.

[CBGBConnisur]

The thing that is relevant is that its getting expensive for those of us who are paid in US dollars to go abroad for fun. Meaning that it will be harder to flee the clutches of the American female that many of us dread.

[Jelly Donut]

The thing that is relevant is that its getting expensive for those of us who are paid in US dollars to go abroad for fun. Meaning that it will be harder to flee the clutches of the American female that many of us dread.


Right. Like I said, if you think the dollar is going to continue to decline there are ways to hedge against it, there are mutual funds out there which increase in value based on decreases in the value of the Lehman US Dollar Index. Sometimes these are set up in such a way as to do a 2x increase for every point the dollar loses.

It sort of makes sense if you are sure you are going to travel overseas. To spell it out - if the dollar goes down, your vacation expenses are higher, but you've made money. On the other hand, if the dollar goes up, you lose money, but your vacation expenses are lower. It's a hedge of a kind for vacation planning, probably not the best idea for longer term investment plans. Depends on your situation.

At any rate, it's all risky and, since I'm not a financial advisor and I don't know your circumstances, it would be impossible for me to recommend anything more than looking into it.

[CBGBConnisur]

Losing Iraq has much bigger consequences than Vietnam, first of all it has to with the "Petrodollar" trade, much of the reason we can borrow as much as we can and the reason the dollar has been strong up until recently has to do with the fact that oil is traded solely in dollars. If countries start to switch their oil trade in Euros, that means we are going to have to pay our debts, we have a lot of debt, and that will be a major catastrophe for the US economy.

Take the following example: Japan needs to import oil for domestic use. To do so it must first acquire dollars, as the dollar is the main currency in which oil is traded. To acquire these dollars, Japan must sell goods and services to the U.S. economy. The Japanese build a Honda to sell to the U.S. The U.S. federal reserve prints a certain amount of dollars and gives these to the Japanese in exchange for the Honda. The Japanese buy oil from Saudi Arabia using these dollars. The Saudis take the dollars and reinvest them in the Federal Reserve Bank of the U.S., and from then on they will only be used as a reserve currency. Therefore, all the U.S. had to do to acquire a Honda, was to print dollars. In essence, it has its very own money tree.

Knowing this its almost better to be paid in gold.

[George90]

Losing Iraq has much bigger consequences than Vietnam, first of all it has to with the "Petrodollar" trade, much of the reason we can borrow as much as we can and the reason the dollar has been strong up until recently has to do with the fact that oil is traded solely in dollars. If countries start to switch their oil trade in Euros, that means we are going to have to pay our debts, we have a lot of debt, and that will be a major catastrophe for the US economy.

I don't think this is correct. Oil contracts may be denominated in dollars but that doesn't mean they have to be settled in dollars. They can be settled in whatever currency the buyer and seller agree.

Even if oil contracts are denominated in euros, we can still settled our contracts with Saudi Arabia, Mexico, etc in dollars. There is no need to immediately repay dollar denominated bonds.

[George90]

The Japanese build a Honda to sell to the U.S. The U.S. federal reserve prints a certain amount of dollars and gives these to the Japanese in exchange for the Honda. The Japanese buy oil from Saudi Arabia using these dollars. The Saudis take the dollars and reinvest them in the Federal Reserve Bank of the U.S., and from then on they will only be used as a reserve currency.

CBGB,

Did you get this from an international finance book? Where did you get this information?

Yes, when we import goods from Japan or China, we pay them in dollars. But the dollars do not come from the federal reserve. They come from us, the consumers. Car dealerships pay Honda with dollars it got from selling cars to US consumers. Yes, China and Japan pay for oil in dollars, leaving Saudi Arabia with a shitload of dollars.

Here is where I disagree. If the Saudis (or Chinese) were permitted to by a boatload of expensive military aircraft or expensive military ships, then they would pay us back in the dollars we used to pay for imports. Ideally, our exports are supposed to pay for our imports.

Unfortunately, we have not been producing much of anything that the rest of the world wants to buys lots, or at least lots at the price we offer. That leaves the Saudis with a bunch of dollars and nothing to buy with them. So they invest them in dollar denominated assets.

Sometimes those assets are US firms. Most of the time those assets are bonds our federal government needs to issue in order to finance our huge budget deficits. The federal reserve has little to do with this. It is the Treasury Dept. that issues the bonds. The only role the Fed plays is that the bonds are sold at a trading desk in New York City that is controlled by the Fed.

[LifeSavour]

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[CBGBConnisur]

This system only works if all oil transactions are conducted in US Dollars, that was the real reason we went into Iraq, Iraq sold oil in Euros in 99', and that was the real reason for the invasion of Iraq. The government has been sabre rattling Venezuela, why? Venezuela is a Christian country, it has little to do with Islamic terrorism, but its a major oil producing nation. Russia and Iran are going to price their oil in Euros too. The Saudis and other oil producing nations reinvest their surplus dollars into US treasury bonds, then the Treasury prints money that could be used to purchase more goods. The Euro threatens this mechanism, the damage to the US economy would be catastrophic. European nations partly introduced the Euro to purchase oil without US Dollars thereby reducing their economies' dependence on exporting goods and services to the US.
The only ace is the fact that China keeps buying US treasuries to artificially reduce the value of their currency to the US dollar, so they can pour cheap goods into the US, but its only a matter of time before they stop financing our debt. So in effect China has been holding up the US economy.
The US has kept the petrodollar system intact with a powerful military force, the will to use that force is waning, with a Democratic Congress and a high chance of a Democratic President, you will see a softening of US foreign policy, so more oil producing countries will not be intimidated, and will start pricing their oil in Euros. Its not going to happen overnight, but within two decades at maximum, the US dollar will not be the world's dominant reserve currency. Even the Euro will be threatened once China becomes transforms from an export economy to a consumer based one in the next 20 years.

[George90]

This system only works if all oil transactions are conducted in US Dollars, that was the real reason we went into Iraq, Iraq sold oil in Euros in 99', and that was the real reason for the invasion of Iraq. The government has been sabre rattling Venezuela, why? Venezuela is a Christian country, it has little to do with Islamic terrorism, but its a major oil producing nation. Russia and Iran are going to price their oil in Euros too. The Saudis and other oil producing nations reinvest their surplus dollars into US treasury bonds, then the Treasury prints money that could be used to purchase more goods. The Euro threatens this mechanism, the damage to the US economy would be catastrophic. European nations partly introduced the Euro to purchase oil without US Dollars thereby reducing their economies' dependence on exporting goods and services to the US.

The only ace is the fact that China keeps buying US treasuries to artificially reduce the value of their currency to the US dollar, so they can pour cheap goods into the US, but its only a matter of time before they stop financing our debt. So in effect China has been holding up the US economy.
The US has kept the petrodollar system intact with a powerful military force, the will to use that force is waning, with a Democratic Congress and a high chance of a Democratic President, you will see a softening of US foreign policy, so more oil producing countries will not be intimidated, and will start pricing their oil in Euros. Its not going to happen overnight, but within two decades at maximum, the US dollar will not be the world's dominant reserve currency. Even the Euro will be threatened once China becomes transforms from an export economy to a consumer based one in the next 20 years.Again, where are you getting your information? Can you cite a source, or better yet sources, that supports your version of how international finance / international payment system operates?

[CBGBConnisur]

Here's one link:
http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html


Here's a book written about the Petrodollar:
The Hidden Hand of American Hegemony: Petrodollar Recycling and International Markets, the author is David E Spiro.

[Yogin]

There's a politics thread. Please use it, gentlemen.

Yes, I'm sure you can conceivably connect anything to AW, but this is becoming a stretch.

How about we discuss the price of eggs in S. Africa?

Thank you.

[CBGBConnisur]

Well once again the relevance is that most of us use US Dollars to finance our escapes from the American female, so of if something happens to that we lose our escape hatch.

[Rock Dog]

Just because things change in the financial world it doesn't necessarily mean you "lose your escape hatch".

Things might get more expensive. But that's nothing new is it? The only way things will change significantly is if there is a total financial collapse of some sort. This may very well happen some day considering the 10 trillion dollar cumulative trade imbalance the US has with the rest of the world.

However, I seriously doubt that, all of a sudden you're gonna wake up poor, and the rest of the world is rich. Anytime things change, some people come out losers and some come out winners. The best thing to do is do what you should be doing anyways. Save up some of your $$$ each time you get paid and don't keep all your eggs in one basket.

The UK used to be called Great Britain.... they're not so great anymore. Not relative to the other world powers. But, from what I've seen, the average Brit still does OK for themselves. I seriously doubt there will ever be a time that most Americans will be poor compared to people in other countries.

That means, for a guy who works hard and makes something of himself, there will always be good-looking foreign women out there ready to be claimed.

Rock

[Opebo]

That means, for a guy who works hard and makes something of himself, there will always be good-looking foreign women out there ready to be claimed.

This is not accurate, Rock. People don't 'make something' of themselves, rather, society makes them what they are. The lower classes work harder than anyone, Rock, and, in the US, can never afford foreign travel or prostitutes. No, Rock, in our capitalist society one's economic condition is determined by forces outside one's control - namely economic class, rigidly enforced by State power.

[Munchie]

Hi All,

Quote from Rock Dog: "The UK used to be called Great Britain.... they're not so great anymore."

Great Britain is in fact a geographical term and nothing to do with empire or the people or government of Britain thinking they are great! It is made up of England , Scotland and Wales ( not Ireland )

The "British isles" are all the islands in the region including the island of Ireland

NB The "United Kingdom" is a political term refering to the "United Kingdom or Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

Check out the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_britain

cheers

Munchie

[George90]

Just because things change in the financial world it doesn't necessarily mean you "lose your escape hatch".

Things might get more expensive. But that's nothing new is it? The only way things will change significantly is if there is a total financial collapse of some sort. This may very well happen some day considering the 10 trillion dollar cumulative trade imbalance the US has with the rest of the world.

When things get too expensive, one DOES lose one's escape hatch! And people DO wake up poor(er) one day!

Tens of thousands of middle-income homeowners took out second mortages in 2002, 2003, and 2004. Now those same homeowners are facing falling home values, rising interest rates, higher mortgage payments, and stagnant income.

Mongering is not a low cost hobby. Preparing to retire abroad is not a low cost proposition. When costs rise and US incomes fall due to poor management of the economy, we do end up fewer options for escaping from AWs.

My caveat is that if you are rich enough, none of what I said applies to you.

[Jelly Donut]

An article in the New York Times about a sorority which appears to have discriminated against women based on weight and race.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/education/25sorority.html?ei=5087%0A&em=&en=c8f0c116efb32f25&ex=1172638800&pagewanted=print

[Jelly Donut]

Bridget Moynahan (36), born in Binghamton, New York, USA. Three months pregnant with Tom Brady's child. Tom Brady (29) is hanging out with Gisele Bundchen (26), a Brazilian model.

res ipse loquitur ~ "the thing speaks for itself"

[Junior Punter]

NPaul1,

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I agree, not all American women are bad - in fact, I have had my fair share of freebies in NY and SF because of my British accent and young age [25]! :-)

Seriously though, how much damage (in $) would some of these girls set you back, if you don't mind me asking? Of course, if you would rahter not say on here, I would appreciate a PM.

Many thanks,

JP

[Npaul1]

I normally put $140 in my cookie jar and tell the girl to help herself to my cookie jar. I had one girl call me later and say it was not enough, I raised it up to $200, she was from New York and told me some high money she had made there.

I had one girl last week that had driven 1 1/2 hours to be with me, I put $180 in the cookie jar and she noted that it was alot of money for her. So I told her to leave some in the cookie jar for next time.

BTW I removed the photos this morning. I did not realize that they had the girls name on them and someone could find the girls on one of the 3 sugar daddy websites.

Sugarbaby.com sugarbabyforme.com and seekingarrangement.com are the 3 that I know of. Enjoy.

[CBGBConnisur]

Just because things change in the financial world it doesn't necessarily mean you "lose your escape hatch".

Things might get more expensive. But that's nothing new is it? The only way things will change significantly is if there is a total financial collapse of some sort. This may very well happen some day considering the 10 trillion dollar cumulative trade imbalance the US has with the rest of the world.

However, I seriously doubt that, all of a sudden you're gonna wake up poor, and the rest of the world is rich. Anytime things change, some people come out losers and some come out winners. The best thing to do is do what you should be doing anyways. Save up some of your $$$ each time you get paid and don't keep all your eggs in one basket.

The UK used to be called Great Britain.... they're not so great anymore. Not relative to the other world powers. But, from what I've seen, the average Brit still does OK for themselves. I seriously doubt there will ever be a time that most Americans will be poor compared to people in other countries.

That means, for a guy who works hard and makes something of himself, there will always be good-looking foreign women out there ready to be claimed.

Rock
Well Britain coasts off the US, the entire British government licks American boots, thats why the country does well. Australia is the same, John Howard has Bush so far up his ass, that when Bush spits its comes out of Howard's mouth. The real issue is that the economic center of gravity is shifting away from English speaking countries. Continental Europe and China are going to dominate the world. The US is almost certain to leave Iraq, the whole war was a way to intimidate OPEC countries from switching the oil trade to Euros, which would effectively destroy the US economy. Iraq is a big failure, once the US leaves, most OPEC nations particularly Venezuela and Iran will be supporting a Euro based oil bourse.

[Rock Dog]

I have to agree with CBGB for the most part with what he said about the US UK Canada and Australia. The US, for better or worse, is the cultural and economic center of the english speaking world.

However, Europe isn't going to supersede the US anytime soon. They have the combined problems of socialism, low birthrate, cultural/political stagnation and growing internal populations of muslims. If present trends continue, Europe will be a semi-islamic shithole in about 40 or 50 more years. Can you think of any islamic country (sans petrodollars) that is an economic success? Neither can I.

China may very well be the country to compete economically, culturally and militarily. They are currently hard at work competing with America for access to resources in third world areas like Africa and Latin America. Their economy is overheated though.... and their whole economic system is riddled with bad debt and corruption. China might look hot right now, but I remember we used to look at the Japanese the same way back in the 80's..... and where are they now? China is probably inevitable, but and economic meltdown might set them back 10 or 20 years (if it happens).

Even India is worth watching. I've seen parts of Africa where there are as many Indians as Africans.

Fifty years from now, the US might be just one of several world powers.... instead of the only one. Perhaps China will become the hyperpower that some fear. I'm betting that other trends (ecological/demographic) are going to come into effect before this ever happens. Think rising sea level, climate change + failure of organized food and energy production = hundreds of millions of starving chinese with subsequent political collapse. This has happened many times before and there's no reason it can't happen again.

Rock

[Bango Cheito]

Why is a low birthrate a problem? I'd say for the next 100 years or so, the lower the better! Do we really need 6 billion of us?

As for the next economic powers, it will be Russia, then Brazil. China and India's populations keep them back. Both countries are also headed for a civil war a lot sooner than most think.

[Doctor_Skank]

Why is a low birthrate a problem? I'd say for the next 100 years or so, the lower the better! Do we really need 6 billion of us?

As for the next economic powers, it will be Russia, then Brazil. China and India's populations keep them back. Both countries are also headed for a civil war a lot sooner than most think.

Birthrate isn't a problem in the US, which is already a multi-ethnic nation. It's our future, our destiny, our strength. At least that's the official version. :) Since it's the only version we have though, it is prudent to at least make our best effort.

Europe has a real problem with birthrate, as "native" populations from Sweden to Italy are losing their demographic advantage to immigrants from Africa and Asia, not to mention Eastern Europe. The influx of foreigners into European countries, especially those from Muslim cultures, has gone from an insignificant curiousity to a major social and economic headache.

As intellectually critical as Europe was of the racial problems in the United States in the 70's and 80's, their tone has become much less condescending in recent years as the realities of racial integration have taken hold in their own countries. The religious aspect, particularly Islam contra Christianity, adds considerably more powder to the powder keg.

I do not foresee Europe becoming Muslim, however this is the proclaimed goal of many Muslim leaders in Europe and it certainly is time that Europe adamantly defend it's cultural heritage and values. Time will tell.

China and India are significant powers already, perhaps not the superpowers they'd like to be, but both carry economic weight, and both economies are strong enough domestically to ride out any international crisis. Nonetheless, neither is even close to achieving America's financial strength. America's strength is not only measured in the well-being of the individual citizen, but rather in it's ability to dictate economic trends world-wide and control financial markets. Militarily the US is still leagues ahead of anybody else, even if we still haven't learned how to fight and win against an insurgency in a guerilla war.

Russia is also destined to become a major player, and provides balance to world affairs. They have the resources to stay rich for decades, the intellectual skills to make it work and the political will to get what they want. It would make sense to ally with them, at least on a loose basis.

No idea on Brazil... can't imagine any South American nation having power that extends beyond it's own continent... with the exception perhaps of Venezuela and it's oil, a country criminally restricted in growth potential by it's own government.

The key for us men is to keep our game on top as long as we can. Earn good money, get travel opportunities and stay fit so we can enjoy the opportunities we have.

One significant advantage of the overseas female, perhaps the most significant for me, is that older guys can still date very young girls. It isn't unheard of for 40 or 50-yr olds to have girls 20-25 yrs old. I'm mid-30's and date almost exclusively girls 18-22. I only take older girls if I am looking for a woman with the kind of skills only an experienced women can have... :)

[Hardbarg]

Russia is also destined to become a major player, and provides balance to world affairs. They have the resources to stay rich for decades, the intellectual skills to make it work and the political will to get what they want. It would make sense to ally with them, at least on a loose basis.Only thing I'd disagree about is Russia. They may well reemerge as a major force, but there won't be anything positive about it for the rest of us. A nuclear armed petro power run by the KGB (you didn't think they went away did you) with a tradition of empire building can only be dangerous to everyone else. Their collapsing population makes everything about them wildly unpredictable.

[Doctor_Skank]

Only thing I'd disagree about is Russia. They may well reemerge as a major force, but there won't be anything positive about it for the rest of us. A nuclear armed petro power run by the KGB (you didn't think they went away did you) with a tradition of empire building can only be dangerous to everyone else. Their collapsing population makes everything about them wildly unpredictable.

Hardbag,

Well I agree that the verdict is still out on Russia. Russia is a major part of my life for various reasons, so maybe my optimism is just wishful thinking. There are also plenty of negative aspects to the Slavic mindset, that is for sure.... but I get along with them just fine. Their political future is indeed a gigantic question mark right now.

[Prosal]

If present trends continue, Europe will be a semi-islamic shithole in about 40 or 50 more years.

Total nonsense.

A recent and very detailed survey shows that only 4 % of the french population is muslim. Inside those 4 %, only 7 % claim applying the strict rules of islam. This is roughly 0.35 % of the total population.

The figures are about the same in Germany and Netherlands, and lower in mediterranean countries (Spain , Portugal, Italy, ect).

[Npaul1]

Here is a photo of a cum guzzling girl I met online, looking for a sugar daddy! This photo is right before I came all over her face.

[Doctor_Skank]

total nonsense.

a recent and very detailed survey shows that only 4 % of the french population is muslim. inside those 4 %, only 7 % claim applying the strict rules of islam. this is roughly 0.35 % of the total population.

the figures are about the same in germany and netherlands, and lower in mediterranean countries (spain , portugal, italy, ect).

agreed that "the muslim question" in europe is somewhat overplayed, but it is an issue of growing significance.

france is 10% muslim and rising statistically. the interesting figures aren't necessarily total population figures, but rather figures from urban populations. recent immigrants, and in fact 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants, live primarily in large urban centers... paris, marseille, lyon. the same is true in holland. according to some studies predictions, the 3 largest cities in holland will be more than 50% of non-dutch heritage by 2030.

there is no mystery why the perceived percentage of muslims in any given european country is higher than it actually is, the demographics of european youth in germany, france and holland show a much higher percentage of foreign and muslim youth than in previous generations. like blacks in america, whom many young muslims see as their cultural role model in their "struggle" against the state, they are more "visible" than native youth. well-publicized crimes, particularly [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and honor killings, add to the stigma. more traditional muslims don't exactly encourage integration of their youth either, with headscarf clad women, arranged marriages and discouragement of their women getting higher education.

been in paris, london or central berlin lately? enter the "wrong" neighborhood and you'll understand recent european paranoia, whether it's justified or not.

ultimately, it seems likely that europe.. so often the site of world wars and religious conflict.. will soon be the testing ground whether or not islam and christianity can live peacefully together.

but since this forum is about american women, banged any lately? i haven't. can't say i've really missed it much either though. :)

[Yogin]

Well put, Dr Skank.

In Holland, Van Gogh was murdered for making a film Muslims didn't like.
Roving bands of Muslims are beating up & murdering gays.
In France they are disrupting efforts to teach about the Holocaust in the public schools, calling it a complete hoax.

Don't forget all the riots in Europe where people died last year. The reason? A cartoon about Muhammed they didn't like. Were there such an offensive cartoon about any other religion, for sure there would be objections and perhaps protests. But clergy calling for a "Day of Anger"? Violent rioting? I don't think so. No sense of humor about themselves. Hatefully, virulently intolerant of the ways of others, yet mysteriously demand (often violently so) respect and tolerance.

Official China is downplaying any pig imagery this year (it's the year of the pig!) in order not to offend Muslims. Oil? Hmmm....

In the US, oversimplifying a bit, the tradition is that immigrants assimiliate and become "American". Muslims here, as a result, are far better off economically than in Europe. They aren't an underclass at all. Perhaps there's a parallel with African Americans. Blacks engage in so many behaviors that are self-destructive, that they bring upon themselves: not valuing education, allowing obesity, substance abuse, seeing sports & entertainment as realistic career goals, and criminal behavior. And then use the excuse of "marginalization" to say there's no point in trying to succeed in the "white man's world", which is a self-fulfilling prophesy. They've had equal opportunity for the past 40-50 years, yet a great many have squandered it. Sure there's still racism. But my grandparents came here 100 years ago from E. Europe with nothing, faced poverty & discrimination, and their kids made something of themselves. They made & accepted no excuses.

My Good Doctor:
Here in Sex Prison USA, I've gotten laid here plenty in these past ten years. But I'm pleased to announce that not one was an AW. All were from Japan, China, Taiwan, & Singapore. Whoo hoo!

[Rock Dog]

Prosal,

I stand by what I said earlier. What's more, watch for a "hardening" of Christianity in Europe now that they are finally awakening to the problems represented by non-assimilating internal muslim populations.

In the Netherlands they are literally referred to as "the enemy within". Some of it is racism. Some is explained by economics. Maybe if they had Sony and satellite TV they'd just shut the fuck up and quit being such an uppity pain in the ass. But I doubt it. Right now Islam is in about the same state of maturation as Christianity was back in the dark ages.

Wait till some of these asswipes finally get their hands on some nukes. We'll see.... and thanks to an almost renegade nuclear program in Pakistan, that day is not far off.

Rock

[CBGBConnisur]

Malaysia is a very successful Muslim country, a number of high tech companies including Dell and Sony have moved their manufacturing there. Malaysia though is strongly controlled by Chinese, Japanese, and American business interests, its also a fairly decent place for p4p, kind of a more upmarket version of Thailand. Regardless, everything in America is linked to the petrodollar, that is the reason why its very easy for us to get credit to fund whatever we want, a car, a house, education, trips abroad to lay cute exotic women, if this system was tampered with it would ruin all of this.

I saw a program about Indonesia, which is the largest Muslim country on the planet, its also a major sex destination, more Australians I know go there than even Thailand. They were showing Jakarta's Red Light District which looked huge. It was real interesting program, they even interviewed an Indonesian porn star who said she was a devout Muslim, weird.

Regardless, I think Europe is going to become more right wing, especially with the events of the past few years, the bombings in Spain and the UK, riots in Paris, the Pope's comments, etc..

[Prosal]

CB, you're right, Indonesia is the best country in Asia for mongering and skirt chasing, and one of the best in the world. Personnaly I find that for beauty and heartiness, indonesian women are the gold standart in Asia. About islam, as you said, Indonesia is the largest muslim country in the world, but islam there is just a cultural heritage and almost 90% of the indonesian muslims follow an easy-going blend of islam, hinduism and javanese beliefs. Indonesians are the nicest and most peaceful people I ever met in all my journeys.

[Naked Gunz]

I thought the topic was "American Women"

[CBGBConnisur]

The USA's military power is linked to its economic power, the economic power is largely based on the current petrodollar and the ability to finance nearly unlimited debt. This is not going to last, I personally do not keep any of my personal holdings in US dollars, the nearly 40 percent drop in value of the US Dollar is a serious warning sign not a short term trend. No money = no military. Even the public is getting sick of the war hype of the Neocons, so they have no credibility without any public support you can't have any foreign interventions. Wonder how Americans will behave when things aren't as rosy as they are in the present day? Think New Orleans times 1000. Despite all the political correctness, the US is still very much a society divided by race, religion, and economic status, its the economy that binds everything together. Why do millions of people from different nationalities leave their families and cultures behind and move or try to move to the US? Money!!!

[DirkDingy]

Does any American here generally pull a higher quality of woman in the USA than they do abroad? If you do, what are the reasons for this? I think that I am one of the few men on this board--for better or for worse--that does and wanted to hear from other men who are in my same boat.

[George90]

Does any American here generally pull a higher quality of woman in the USA than they do abroad? If you do, what are the reasons for this? I think that I am one of the few men on this board--for better or for worse--that does and wanted to hear from other men who are in my same boat.

You must be a higher quality man than most of us here, or at least me! That said, quality, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. So more power to you, Bro'! Have at these AWs to your heart's content!

[CBGBConnisur]

Women from outside of North America are considerably better than those found in Canada and the US. Even if Australian women aren't perfect, they are a level above what I found in the US. European women, especially those from Eastern and Central Europe are a world above anything found in the USA. The only thing, from an economic point of view America is not as secure as it was in the past, outsourcing and globalization is starting to take its toll, as is uncontrolled unskilled immigration which lowers the average wage. Even if American women sucked in the past it least we were able to live in reasonable comfort but that is being threatened due to stupid corporations sending their operations overseas. The loss of the petrodollar scheme is another big pillar that is about to fall. Political Correctness in America is out of control, a state governer tried to shoot down a bill that required government workers to speak English, what is the crime in this?

[Rock Dog]

CBGB has some good points again.

The petrodollar scheme, as he puts it, is an important symbol of the US's economic power. Guess what used to be the "petro-currency"? The British Pound! When that went to the US dollar, it was the final notice that economic supremacy had passed away from the former "Great Britain".

The perception right now is that the US is some kind of invincible superpower. That it is, in fact, the world's ONLY true superpower. This just isn't true. There aren't any superpowers in the world at all. The slightest little problem and any country can fall apart.

For example, homeland security..... a true superpower should be impregnable right? No army, no matter how mighty, should be able to cross it's borders. Yet every day the US is apparently powerless to stop armies of mexicans from swarming across. Maybe "armies" is the wrong word to use since they are unarmed, uneducated and apparently welcomed as a cheap labor source. What's more, nobody even knows for sure how many of them are living inside the US border. If you really wanted to know for sure, you better ask the Mexican Gov't, they probably have some idea!

Finicially a superpower? Wrong again, the US is the worlds largest debtor nation and it only gets worse every single day. Imports outweigh exports in every single category except weapons sales. They can't afford to rebuild New Orleans, but somehow have an extra hundred billion to spare for the mess in Iraq.

Technological leader? Sure, until the Chinese and Indians copy the ideas and start selling their own versions for 10% of the cost.

Right now we are living in an illusion of comfort, prosperity and security. But there's a disaster coming, that's for sure. I live in Canada it's true, but we're so closely linked to you guys that we'll get sucked into the downfall too... so there's no escape for anybody. I just pray it doesn't happen for another 10 or 15 years so I can make my third world escape before it hits.

Rock

ps. when it all happens, the women can look after their OWN asses..... equality right?

[CBGBConnisur]

Everyone talks of India China this and India China that, India and China might become major players...if they continue to grow the way they do for at least another 20 to 30 years. I have actually visited India, its highly unstable, I don't think you could call a country where nearly 85 percent of the population nearly starve a major world power. China also has a lot of poverty not as severe as India but still its living standards is not comparable to a Western country. You can't control a population if their stomachs are empty. The next major power over the next couple of decades is one that seems unknown to most Americans, its Europe, and Europe is being largely dominated by Germany. The Germans who tried to unite the continent by two world wars and failed have created a united Europe that stretches from the North Atlantic to the Black Sea(with the recent inclusion of Bulgaria). This the Europe that Hitler imagined, Europe may look peaceful and innocuous now but a set of events are occurring that will bring Europe back to its imperialistic roots.

Britain an example of resilience against Continental Europe is soon becoming an energy importer instead of an exporter, Germany will be the nation providing the UK's energy needs in the coming decades.

There really is no major Muslim problem in Europe, of course there are problems in Britain and France, Italy is having problems with the Muslim Albanian Mafia that even the Italian gangsters fear. Germany and Austria are two countries where the Muslims fear their Germanic neighbors.

[Philippe]

Hey fellas,

I haven't enjoyed Pattaya since the end of Aug, last year. Looks like a lot might have changed starting with the exchange rate. I have read some of your reports, so I am a bit discouraged. I plan on being there between 3/31 and 4/15. I'll be coming from the US. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like my normal traveling buddies will be able to join me on this one. If any of you will be around during that time, would love to meet up.

[Rock Dog]

I've good some pretty good info that Germany imported large numbers of Turks as "gastarbeiten" or foreign workers. They did this because it was an easy way to get cheap labor to do jobs that average Germans didn't want to do. Sound familiar?

An the Krauts are getting a lot of their energy from Russia, so they aren't in any position to push anyone around that way.

Rock

[CBGBConnisur]

The Germans are getting chummy with the Russians, Russia like Iran wants world oil trade to be dominated by the Euro, the writing is on the wall for the US Dollar. The ECB, the organization that introduced the Euro is based in Frankfurt. The Germans are buying the continent left right and center.

[Rock Dog]

CB, you been reading the Philadelphia Trumpet, or what? I like Strafor's reports myself.

Yeah, the Germans have been making a lot of moves lately. It's inevitable that they'd get over their WWII blues after a generation or two. They have a large population, a big economy, and they are just plain dynamic as far as people go. Except maybe for France, Germany is the natural cultural and economic center for europe as a whole.

Personally, I don't ever see a strongly unified europe coming into being. Too many languages, too many different countries spread across the map..... and wayyy too much history. Think of a herd of cats, they might all be running in the same direction at one time, but it doesn't last for long.

Now, if there was some kind of major external threat to europe as a whole ..... AND if they were able to perceive that threat quite clearly, then you might see some kind of unified europe.

Even then, they aren't invincible..... just look at Airbus and the mess they have with that stupid A380 superjumbo. They'll be lucky if it doesn't sink them.

Rock

[CBGBConnisur]

What's the Philadelphia Trumpet?? Back to the topic a dollar run is a real prospect, so if you are looking to travel abroad its going to become extremely expensive to do so. I never said Europe was invincible, a couple of years ago, the media was talking about the everasting American Empire, what happened to that? I guess that was washed down the Gulf Coast after Katrina. Stratfor or another bulletin was talking about the US being hit by three major disasters, a terrorist attack in NYC, a flood in New Orleans, and the Big Earthqauke that is overdue in California.

The dollar has fallen nearly 40 percent in value over the past five years that is a major red flag. As I mentioned US wealth is tied to the petrodollar monopoly which is going to end soon, within the next decade.

[George90]

As I mentioned US wealth is tied to the petrodollar monopoly which is going to end soon, within the next decade.

I read the site on link that you gave citing this petrodollar stuff. That guy mixes half-truths with utter nonsense to come up with off-the-wall theories that are not supported by any data or any other recognized economic theories.

I am not going to debunk it here; inappropriate and would take too long. I strongly suggest to members that they learn about the crude oil market, how OPEC functions, international financial markets, the role of a reserve currency, international trade, and then read that link and come up with your own opinion.

DO NOT BELIEVE 'US WEALTH COMES FROM THE PETRODOLLAR MONOPOLY' OR SIMILAR STATEMENTS ON THEIR FACE!!!!!!

The US dollar is weak, the US economy faces threats, 'petrodollar' theories do not explain the reasons why.

[CBGBConnisur]

Regardless, the sudden drop in value of the greenback is making travel or migration overseas are difficult prospect. I suggest reading The Hidden Hand of American Hegemony: Petrodollar Recycling and International Markets by David E Spiro book petrodollar, its published by the Cornell University Press. I don't think a university like Cornell would publish rubbish. Another one is Petrodollar Warfare: Oil, Iraq and the Future of the Dollar by William R Clark, who is a researcher at Johns Hopkins University which is another top academic institution.

Ask yourself, why are so many right wingers rattling about Venezuela and Hugo Chavez? It has a lot to do with the business of world oil trade. Venezeula is a major oil producer with a leader that is hostile to the US.

[George90]

Regardless, the sudden drop in value of the greenback is making travel or migration overseas are difficult prospect. I suggest reading The Hidden Hand of American Hegemony: Petrodollar Recycling and International Markets by David E Spiro book petrodollar, its published by the Cornell University Press. I don't think a university like Cornell would publish rubbish. Another one is Petrodollar Warfare: Oil, Iraq and the Future of the Dollar by William R Clark, who is a researcher at Johns Hopkins University which is another top academic institution.

Ask yourself, why are so many right wingers rattling about Venezuela and Hugo Chavez? It has a lot to do with the business of world oil trade. Venezeula is a major oil producer with a leader that is hostile to the US.

One, a university and its press are two different entities. University presses can and do publish rubbish from time to time.

Two, the 'petrodollar' that academics refer to is not what you or the site you linked are talking about. The academic 'petrodollar' refers to the revenues from oil exports to the US. These revenues are in dollars. They are important because those countries, including Venezuela, then have purchasing power for goods produced in the US or assets located in the US. Since we are not exporting much beyond weapons, we face the option of selling weapons to potential enemies or have them buy up the country. China tried to buy an oil company in 2006, and a Dubai firm did buy 6 port facilities in the US.

It does not refer to the oil revenues from Europe, which are in euros, NOT dollars. The same issues face Europe, but they are in a better position because they are more effcient is in their use of energy than is the US. More sales are made to the US than to Europe so the dollar revenues are more important. It does not refer to the oil revenues from China which are in yuan, NOT dollars.

The problems with the dollar are due to our bad economic policies that have resulted in huge budget and trade deficits. There are not due to the oil market.

However, the low vallue of the dollar makes it cheaper for foreigners to visit the US. Maybe some foreign women would want to monger with us men here, instead if us going there? LOL!

[Rock Dog]

There's another seemingly obvious point that's being overlooked here with regards to the "weak" dollar. It's not all bad news!

Sure, you go on a trip somewhere and everything costs more because your money isn't as valuable as it used to be. But for US companies and manufacturers (the ones that are still left), their products....priced in US$.... become a lot more competitive.

That helps out with the trade imbalance. At the very least, it keeps it from getting worse even faster. In Canada, we used to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and moan about how our dollar was only worth 60 or 70 cents US. Then, when our dollar shot up to over 90 cents US, all the exporters started pissing and moaning about how they were losing their competitive edge.

It cuts both ways.

Rock

[Leeuwen]

Personally, I don't ever see a strongly unified europe coming into being. Too many languages, too many different countries spread across the map..... and wayyy too much history. Think of a herd of cats, they might all be running in the same direction at one time, but it doesn't last for long.

Even then, they aren't invincible..... just look at Airbus and the mess they have with that stupid A380 superjumbo. They'll be lucky if it doesn't sink them.

Rock
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

Euro currency was laughed at among Manhattan banking elite, or at least everything was done to play down its future role on international markets. Nobody is laughing today.
EU has achieved a lot, and Airbus is just a little example, not a "stupid A380". Ask gents at Boeing's board of directors. I'm sure they have their hands full. Keep also in mind that main source of Airbus profit comes from smaller models like the A320, not from the superjumbo.

"Too many languages" is a laughable argument. Perhaps you aren't aware but people in Brussels speak either English, French, German or combination of several languages, and as of today they agreed on cutting carbon emissions (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6432829.stm). Global warming, hello?
"Wayyy too much history" didn't stop Germany and France from being best mates in EU. Dude, you live in the past, and keep wishthinking.

Finally regarding "petrodollars". Ever asked yourself why Arabs are forced to charge for oil in US dollars? Ever asked yourself what neverending demand for US dollars ment to Federal Reserve and finally the USA as whole?
Now, ask yourself if you would feel comfortable watching Russia and Iran charging in euro currency, and maybe others like Venezuela. Needless to say, demand for US dollars drops, and China having huge trade surplus with the USA perhaps decides to cash in its stockpile of dollars. What then? US dollar has already fallen 40% against the euro. The answer is to be find in desperate wars, like the one in Iraq, and perhaps an upcoming in Iran.

[Rock Dog]

Wow, they agreed on cutting carbon emissions. Now I'm impressed.

People in Brussels speak English German AND Francais? That's pretty good I guess. Maybe when they can include Polish, Czech, Spanish, Romanian, Italian, Bulgarian, Swedish and whatever other of the languages you guys have over there, then I'll start believing in real european unity.

By the way, Germany and France are definitely NOT best mates in the EU. They both have their own ideas of what the union is all about and where it should be heading and WHO should be at the helm. About the only thing that even came close to uniting them was their opposition to the war in Iraq.

Upcoming war in Iran? You must be smoking some pretty cheap drugs over there..... youare hallucinating. There isn't going to be any war with Iran anytime soon. The US can't afford it after the half $$$Trillion they spent already in Iraq. What's more, there isn't much appetite for even continuing the current war, never mind starting another one.... and that's even if the republicans win in '08. It's true that there has been a lot of effort to engineer public consent towards such a conflict. However, my bet is that the US will continue it's conflict with Iran through proxies such as Israel or, perhaps, some of the Sunni arab states in the region.

Anyways, my position has never been that the US was invincible. If you read some of my recent posts, you'll see that I think that the US+Canada is headed for an eventual economic setback. Trade imbalances and unsustainable deficit spending will do as much damage as anything else. It's just a matter of when it will happen and how bad it will be.

Farther off into the future? That's mostly up to the greater, supra-national effects of demographic and environmental trends. You guys in Europe could go to zero carbon emissions next year and it won't make much difference when the Chinese are burning umpteen gazillion tons of hi-sulphur coal every year to keep their overheated economy going.

Rock

[Hardbarg]

Actually, according to the BBC, they havn't all exactly agreed on cutting carbon emissions. Countries like Poland have the same excuses ... er, problems, as China and India. There won't be much compliance by anyone until everyone agrees to suffer simultaneously.

I just can't help myself, but I'll promise not to post about international politics here anymore if everyone else will. How about an ip forum?

[Rock Dog]

Agreed!

This discussion, while stimulating and enjoyable, has gotten way too political! Gentlemen, it appears we are off topic. Someone needs to come up with a new one.

Ideas anyone?

Rock

[Leeuwen]

Actually, according to the BBC, they havn't all exactly agreed on cutting carbon emissions. Countries like Poland have the same excuses ... er, problems, as China and India.
Looks like they have (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6433503.stm), after all.

"European Union leaders have agreed to adopt a binding target on the use of renewable energy, such as wind and solar power, officials say."

Not every state was in favour of a deal, but majority decides. This deal is not about saving the world from global warming, but an initiative in right direction since world needs someone to set an example. Looks like Bush also figured out that something needs to be done:

"The US and Brazil sign a deal to develop alternative fuel sources, in an attempt to reduce dependence on oil."

[Leeuwen]

By the way, Germany and France are definitely NOT best mates in the EU. They both have their own ideas of what the union is all about and where it should be heading and WHO should be at the helm. About the only thing that even came close to uniting them was their opposition to the war in Iraq.
Rock
Don't sweat it. EU existed long before the made up WMD in Iraq. Already told you live in the past. France and Germany basically run EU, and it was them together with the Benelux countries who founded EU. Get your facts right, or don't start such discussions and then complain they get too "political".

[Starchild2012]

Peace out guys...Even if you bomb this universe a million times and you Co2 this universe 10 trillion times..you and me still gonna be here.

There is no easy way out..karma has to work its way in and through this world and all the bad deeds and good deeds combine will keep this universe alive for each one of us..untill we all get liberated.

Im not sure..Why we try hard to make this world a better place...can;t we just live with what we got..No gods incarnation or Humans can change this world period..This is what we call "Maya".

Have we not learned any lesson from history, the more you try to sort out the problem the more you get into the mess..just live it alone and work out your karma and everything will be fine.

Not even one inch, we can help this world. This world will remain AS IT IS.

When you had less CO2 emmisions and global warming, were we in the better world..common..more people died..when we had less CO2 and global warming than now :) remember WW1 WW2

Have a spiritual perspective on life and things will calm down.

Just relax, have a beer and chill out..we are in this world for only 30 sec and we take re-birth else where :)

[CBGBConnisur]

A war in Iran has a very slim chance of happening at this stage, the entire catastrophe in Iraq has pretty much demolished Bush's credibility and support by the general public as well as those in the government, as a result the Republicans have lost a lot of power. Theoretically, if Gore was President had the Florida recount went his way, I think history would be a lot different, the US would definitely be in much better standing in the world. I am sure that Gore would have confronted Iraq because his VP, Joe Lieberman has connections with the Neocons.
The European stance against Iran is much stronger than the US yet Europe is would still only use diplomacy. Angela Merkel I recall had some strong words for M. Ahmadenijad. So there is no chance of a military confrontation with Iran, I read somewhere the state department might open up diplomatic relations with the country. Within the next 15 to 20 years, the US will look more like a regional power than a world power, especially with China's growth and Europe becoming increasingly more integrated. Europe and China are making connections with Latin America as well.
With the loss of the debt machine, consumers in the US will be tightening their belts, maybe American females might not be as demanding as they are now, sure it sounds like pigs flying, but anything is possible.

[Rock Dog]

A war in Iran has a very slim chance of happening at this stage, the entire catastrophe in Iraq has pretty much demolished Bush's credibility and support by the general public as well as those in the government, as a result the Republicans have lost a lot of power. The European stance against Iran is much stronger than the US yet Europe is would still only use diplomacy. Angela Merkel I recall had some strong words for M. Ahmadenijad. So there is no chance of a military confrontation with Iran, I read somewhere the state department might open up diplomatic relations with the country.
Within the next 15 to 20 years, the US will look more like a regional power than a world power, especially with China's growth and Europe becoming increasingly more integrated. Europe and China are making connections with Latin America as well.
With the loss of the debt machine, consumers in the US will be tightening their belts, maybe American females might not be as demanding as they are now, sure it sounds like pigs flying, but anything is possible.

Which is exactly what I've been saying all along.

As for the US/Brazil ethanol deal, that has a whole lot more to do with securing energy supplies than any concern for the environment on Bush's part. You can also imagine how welcome US dollars will be to the ethanol producing countries in the region. That's a plus for the US and may even help limit the influence Hugo Chavez has been having.

So France and Germany RUN the EU? Whoopy-do! Maybe I run the local grocery store, that's about as impressive. Let's face it, european countries don't have all that much influence. They always compromise, never taking a strong stand on anything for long. They like to play temselves off the US as being the reasonable folks while making the US look like the bad guys. Usually this is so that non-competitive, state-subsidized european businesses can make deal$ in the countries that are run by these a-holes.

Rock Dog

ps. Let's see if anyone still thinks that the rock-dog is barking up the wrong tree

[Rock Dog]

OK, for all the european forum members here....you know who you are :)

Europe has some really good things about it that I like.

Better cars.
Better food.
Better women.

Perhaps we can agree on these points?

Rock

[CBGBConnisur]

Rock Dog, for the record I am an American, yes under the current system Europe is weaker than the US, but I am beginning to notice shift to right wing politics and a new mindset in Europe. For the record the Euro has been thrashing the US dollar and is likely to replace the greenback as the world currency, this will definitely result in a major scaleback of the US economy. We are also living in a globalized world, where transnational governments are quickly becoming the norm, there are EU like organizations in Asia. America is doing the same but with Mexico and Latin America, still I think forming transnational alliances with mostly corrupt and poor third world nations is going to be a major failure for the US. Thats why millions of Mexicans come to the US unchallenged by US immigration, big business and the wealthy want cheap labor. The rise of China and India as low cost production centers are threatening the middle class of the US. I know if I stayed at my job in America, my job would have been sent to India. Right now America looks invincible and is definitely the top power on the planet, but within the next couple of decades that dominance is being challenged, the world is going to become a multipolar one. As far the Brazil-US deal, Brazil actually has much warmer relations with the European Union than the US, in fact, many South American countries particularly the Brazilians feel that the US seems to just ignore them or right them off as inferior.

[Capt Ajax]

OK, for all the european forum members here....you know who you are :)

Europe has some really good things about it that I like.

Better cars.
Better food.
Better women.

Perhaps we can agree on these points?

Rock

Instead of better cars, lets just say fast cars since the European vehicles aren't very reliable anymore. IMHO Germans still build the best engines, suspensions etc, but the electronics in their cars aren't worth a hill of beans.

[Brain666]

Women from outside of North America are considerably better than those found in Canada and the US. Even if Australian women aren't perfect, they are a level above what I found in the US. European women, especially those from Eastern and Central Europe are a world above anything found in the USA. The only thing, from an economic point of view America is not as secure as it was in the past, outsourcing and globalization is starting to take its toll, as is uncontrolled unskilled immigration which lowers the average wage. Even if American women sucked in the past it least we were able to live in reasonable comfort but that is being threatened due to stupid corporations sending their operations overseas. The loss of the petrodollar scheme is another big pillar that is about to fall. Political Correctness in America is out of control, a state governer tried to shoot down a bill that required government workers to speak English, what is the crime in this?

Lets go back to subject: American Woman' and not ' American Politics'.

Reading the above post it says all.

Similar as for many business branches, other countries have been becoming more competitive with the cheap labor and improved infrastructure. So many jobs are transferred to Asia, as well from the US or EU.

And doesn't the same happen to the American women? She is not competitive anymore, reflecting rights, contract cost, maintenance cost etc. by in return being a difficult (unreliable?) 'product' to operate and 'functionality' and 'service standard' by worse 'design' is also lacking compared to the Asian 'products' offered.

So what happens with the call center jobs, accounting and other middle class
jobs, happens also with the relations male female over long time. Being married and find a partner will be more challenging for AW when more and more us citizens tie up with women outside US.

Result must be (following supply and demand) and I think will be over time that the AW will improve and catch-up for ‘survival’. But unfortunately this may probably take some ages.

The same happens in the ‘core EU countries’ and is just not so visible due to the EU extension where the former ‘Eastern European women imports’ have now become simply inside EU transfer members.

Regards
Brain666

[Yogin]

The marketplace analogy applies well. It will take many years, perhaps 35, to undo the toxic combo of feminism & puritanism that have made AW the obese unattractive bitter confused messes they are today. They won't cave early as they ever-so-slowly come to the realization that their competitive edge is gone. More & more men will wake up to obtainable far happier hunting grounds for both short (freebies flings p4p) & longterm companionship (GF wife). Eventually AW will wake up and realize why we are avoiding them by traveling 5000 miles to find inconvenient yet infinitely more desirable alternatives. They will finally stop blaming us as the problem & calling us losers. But I'm not waiting & holding my breath. I am and will continue to chase & enjoy all the Asian-bred tail I can find!

[Rock Dog]

And what's with all the fake blondes?

Have you ever watch CNN lately? It seems like every single female appearing on just about ANY news channel just has to have blonde hair..... fake or otherwise. That's actually a turn-off for me. I'd rather see nice natural dark hair anyday over fake coloured hair. There's something sexy about a woman who is confident enough to run with her REAL hair colour.

I don't mind all that much about hair colour one way or another, but if you're making over $100 k/yr yo think they'd be able to keep those dark fucking roots from showing. From what I've seen, even Anna Nicole was really a brunette.

Just goes to show you what these women are all about..... anything to get the slightest edge. Don't bother doing a good job, as long as they haven't given up the advantage to someone else. That's actually funny because just about any foreign born woman beats the local girls hands down.

Rock

[Brain666]

And what's with all the fake blondes?

Have you ever watch CNN lately? It seems like every single female appearing on just about ANY news channel just has to have blonde hair..... fake or otherwise. That's actually a turn-off for me. I'd rather see nice natural dark hair anyday over fake coloured hair. There's something sexy about a woman who is confident enough to run with her REAL hair colour.

I don't mind all that much about hair colour one way or another, but if you're making over $100 k/yr yo think they'd be able to keep those dark fucking roots from showing. From what I've seen, even Anna Nicole was really a brunette.

Just goes to show you what these women are all about..... anything to get the slightest edge. Don't bother doing a good job, as long as they haven't given up the advantage to someone else. That's actually funny because just about any foreign born woman beats the local girls hands down.

Rock

Fake or non fake hair color is a minor issue compared to the overall body style and body maintenance over year regarding skin, weight etc.

And we are not talking about some exceptional beauties at LA beaches as every country has it's stunners, we are talking about the huge average 'availeble' for the majority of the male population as a potential regional Partner.

Just came back from Phuket/ Thailand and had 1st hand many nationes mixed at the beach shore. If you see the female population from Europe (excluding Eastern Euirope) and US, you have about 70% an average between 0 and 4 in our scale, while the e.g. the Japanese female bodies are rather maintained and average in the range of 6-7 in body style.

regards

Brain666

[Opebo]

I find the criticism of white women for their unfortunate physiques to be a bit unfair, for are we not all fat, aging, and unattractive? Eric Blair says it better than I could:

"if one faces the fact one must admit that most Mongolians have much nicer bodies than most white men. Compare the firm-knit silken skin of the Burman, which does not wrinkle at all till he is past forty, and then merely withers up like a piece of dry leather, with the coarse-grained, flabby, sagging skin of the white man. The white man has lank ugly hair growing down his legs and the backs of his arms and in an ugly patch on his chest. The Burman has only a tuft or two of stiff black hair at the appropriate places; for the rest he is quite hairless and is usually beardless as well. The white man almost always goes bald, the Burman seldom or never. The Burman’s teeth are perfect, though generally discoloured by betel juice, the white man’s teeth invariably decay. The white man is generally ill-shaped, and when he grows fat he bulges in improbable places; the Mongol has beautiful bones and in old age he is almost as shapely as in youth. Admittedly the white races throw up a few individuals who for a few years are supremely beautiful; but on the whole, say what you will, they are far less comely than Orientals."

[Yogin]

I find the criticism of white women for their unfortunate physiques to be a bit unfair, for are we not all fat, aging, and unattractive? ...

Do you travel much? Have you seen how an AVERAGE girl in Thailand, China or Japan for example would be considered a stunner in the US? We aren't talking about random cultural & genetic differences & variation here. We are talking about choices they make as to how to be in the world. They choose to be actual women instead of wannabe men in drag, for starters. Sure there are a tiny handful of attractive white girls here with decent healthy enlightened attitudes. But the odds, the numbers are awful. Even the Asian-Americans who are born here and are totally hot have been brainwashed by Christian conservatism & feminism, becoming mercenary men-hating castrating frigid bitches, in many cases learning and taking on the odious role even better than their white sisters. So this isn't about race, at least for me. We just advocate going where the picking is better than a needle in a haystack.

Btw: I'm not fat, take good care of myself, & am often mistaken for being ten years younger!

Perhaps on this thread we are a tad unfair and over the top at times. But it is a much-needed counterpoint to our daily lives where we are faced with fat, angry, entitlement-imbued, gold-digging cows who do nothing but moan about how they are such oppressed victims of the so-called "patriarchy" while at the same time complaining that there are no "real men" left...what a contradiction! If I dare speak up and challenge this idiotic dogma, my life and career as I know it would be over. So I come here to let off some steam and feel better.

[Opebo]

Do you travel much?

Well, brother, I live in Thailand. And I suppose I've travelled and a little - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, the Philippines, Madagascar, Switzerland, Czechy, South Korea, and Singapore, plus many many more, but I will only count those within which I engaged in our wonderful hobby.


Have you seen how an AVERAGE girl in Thailand, China or Japan for example would be considered a stunner in the US? We aren't talking about random cultural & genetic differences & variation here. We are talking about choices they make as to how to be in the world. Sure there are a tiny handful of attractive white girls here with decent healthy enlightened attitudes. But the odds, the numbers are awful. Even the Asian-Americans who are born here and are totally hot have been brainwashed by Christian conservatism & feminism, becoming mercenary men-hating castrating frigid bitches. We just advocate going where the picking is better than a needle in a haystack.

Btw: I'm not fat, take good care of myself, & am often mistaken for being ten years younger!

Yogin, I do not dispute the advisability of searching for prostitutes in the third world as opposed to the first (I wholeheartedly embrace this strategy). Nor, if you notice, do I dispute that Southeast Asian girls are more attractive generally than whites. I merely made the point that it was a bit unfair not to mention that we white males are unattractive in a similar way - lumbering, flabby, lumpy, smelly, etc. This is kindly overlooked - for a fee - by the prostitute in asia, but, I rather doubt by anyone else.

[Yogin]

They are not simply better merely because they are getting paid. They are superior in all ways. I can easily get it for free from hotties in Japan. My GF's from China & Japan have been great experiences; I'll never go back to American. So far my part anyway, I'm not talking just about the "hobby".

[Ezinho]

I find the criticism of white women for their unfortunate physiques to be a bit unfair, for are we not all fat, aging, and unattractive?
Well, I'm no Chippendales dancer, but I'm none of those things you've mentioned.

Actually, that is a pretty stupid statement you made, it sounds like something some of my buddies would say that have never left the U.S. in their entire lives. And besides, this thread isn't about "White Women" as you put it, it's about "American Women": they can come in any race/religion/etc.

Anyways, why do you think we are all fat, aging and unattractive, because we pay for sex? In case you haven't noticed, all men pay for sex, no matter how "handsome" they are. Just to give you an example, Charlie Sheen has probably banged more hookers than any member here on the ISG, would you call him fat and unattractive? Just curious.

Actually, I wonder what Mr. Sheen's screenname here on the ISG is?

[Opebo]

I can easily get it for free from hotties in Japan. My GF's from China & Japan have been great experiences; I'll never go back to American. So far my part anyway, I'm not talking just about the "hobby".

I congratulate you! I have also gotten 'free' sex here in Thailand, but only with various old maids and less attractive women which the Thai men won't have. I much prefer prostitutes.

Perhaps perversely, my girlfriends in America were hotter by far than any freebie I've had in Asia, and actually hotter than most prostitutes I have had here. To be fair I'm a very economy minded shopper, and I left the US at about 32 (anyone can get hot girls in his twenties), and now I'm nearing 40.

Overall my impression has never been one that the women are generally that much better here or there. I also find sexual skills to be comparable. My expatriation is more about price and availability - as well as general quality of life issues like cost of living and good food - than about any innate preference for Asian women or dislike of American ones.

[Opebo]

Anyways, why do you think we are all fat, aging and unattractive, because we pay for sex? In case you haven't noticed, all men pay for sex, no matter how "handsome" they are. Just to give you an example, Charlie Sheen has probably banged more hookers than any member here on the ISG, would you call him fat and unattractive?

Well, yes, Ezinho, Mr. Sheen is now a rather old man is he not? I doubt he could be considered so attractive these days. My point was not about what sort of man pays for sex, or how, or how much, but rather about a bit of hubris in some of the posts here.

Certainly we may all complain about the devious American woman, but I see no difference between them and the women here. I have never tried marriage with either sort, but I'm sure it would be equally disastrous.

I'm also ready to admit that we men are unlikely to be very attractive as we age, though I admit also that I know nothing about what women find 'attractive'.

To me the 'secret' is not locale as much as it is the elixir of prostitution. If this wonderful practice were legalized in the Bad Place, I'm sure it would improve life there immediately, just as here in Thailand things get worse every year as prostitution is slowly but surely brought to heel.

[Rock Dog]

Charlie Sheen has probably banged more hookers than any member here on the ISG, would you call him fat and unattractive? Just curious.
Actually, I wonder what Mr. Sheen's screenname here on the ISG is?

Awww damn! I knew I was gonna get busted one of these days!

Rock

ps. just kidding..... as if.

[CBGBConnisur]

In reality, in China, fat women are considered status symbols the same way platinum blondes are considered "trophies" in the West. I saw a program on TV about a modern Chinese couple in Shanghai, the husband was fit but the wife was HUGE, during the show the husband took his wife to the supermarket. Still most Asian women are slim and conform to the Western notion of beauty that most of us value but that's just part of the attitude in a part of the world where there is a lot of economic disparity and food is never taken for granted. Thailand is getting expensive by Asian standards, not quite Westernized but Indonesia with over a population of 150 million women offers a lot more.

Prices change quickly, in the 90's, Prague was considered a bargain basement place to meet beautiful women, now its one of the most expensive places in Europe. You will have to go further East into former Soviet territory to find good value. I heard amazing things about Kazakhstan, maybe Borat wasn't kidding.

Charlie Sheen banging hookers, that is not strange at all even though someone like that should be able to get it for free. Some people actually like that because they just want a moment of hot sex and to make everything else go away. Rich and famous guys attract gold diggers.

[Brain666]

Some statistics:
My company is quite multinational and we are sending people across the world. We have subsidiaries in Thailand and Brazil.

Each project in Brazil and Thailand, also Indonesia, China etc. results in a 70% divorce rate within or shortly after the assignment. This happens from People out of Europe, US, UK and also Australia and affects all rankings from hourly paid people to vice president with higher %-tag for the higher ranking. Lets say 60% 'only' for the hourly and 100% for sure for vice president and executive directors. The non-divorces have to 100% a girlfriend, mostly a pay-freebee (you know what I mean: Compensation indirect). Divorce rate is 0 % for Brazilians, Asians moving to US or Europe.

Regards

Brain666

[Rock Dog]

This has been said a number of times in different forums, but is worth repeating here. Society(in reality, female propaganda) has it all wrong. Most of us pay for it when we choose to..... and we do so for the convenience. We do so for the variety. We do so because we are the lucky ones who can afford to have that kind of fun.

Women, and society in general (which seems to add up to the same thing these days) just don't understand this concept. What's more, they don't WANT to understand it. There are always a few guys that go the P4P route bc it's their only option, but they are definitely a small minority.

Rock

[Doctor_Skank]

This has been said a number of times in different forums, but is worth repeating here. Society(in reality, female propaganda) has it all wrong. Most of us pay for it when we choose to..... and we do so for the convenience. We do so for the variety. We do so because we are the lucky ones who can afford to have that kind of fun.

Women, and society in general (which seems to add up to the same thing these days) just don't understand this concept. What's more, they don't WANT to understand it. There are always a few guys that go the P4P route bc it's their only option, but they are definitely a small minority.

Rock

Exactly. Women just don't want to hear it. Just like they don't want to hear that some of those pros are smokin' hot.

[Cyberdas]

Women, and society in general (which seems to add up to the same thing these days) just don't understand this concept. What's more, they don't WANT to understand it. There are always a few guys that go the P4P route bc it's their only option, but they are definitely a small minority.

Rock

Unfortunately, I belong to that "small minority". If it weren't for the proximity to Mexico that I enjoy having being located in Los Angeles, I would've been like a dead fish out of water. I'm pretty much like a fish out of water over here except with the opportunity to dive into water now and then so as to avoid becoming completely dead. LOL!! Not a gratifying experience, that's for sure and definitely nothing to brag and much less so, feel happy about. I consider myself to be average looking, I exercise, diet and take good care of myself (i.e. clean-cut, well groomed, etc...) I'm 35 years old and with a relatively normal lifestyle (i.e. college graduate, versed in several languages, no drugs, stable employment, etc..) And yet again, I have to travel abroad to get it, one way or another, either through p4p or through non-pro women. I totally agree with the posters here who complaint about AW and their horrific attitudes and personalities. Funny how most of that goes away the moment I'm only a few yards south of the U.S. border. Go figure!!!!

[Elusive]

To paraphrase Charlie Sheen, " I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave"!

[Paesano63]

What is the definition of small minority that absolutely needs to pay? I'm 44, average shape, great career, I can definitely afford to take out AW and show them a good time. But frankly its not worth my time and effort, because the better looking one will require more time and effort to unlock. Sure I can easily cruise local places and pick up less attractive women, but I'd rather go abroad and have my feast of hotties in their 20's.

[Rock Dog]

Cyber et al.

Naw man, there's nothing strange about that at all. I myself have experienced what I like to call "the superman effect".

In one place, you're joe average, then you go somewhere tropical.... and all of a sudden you're superman! No woman too good looking to talk to. No pussy that's too classy to have a taste of.

I'd take a few pics while on vacation. Nothing "incriminating" if you know what I mean. Just some pics of you and one or two of the local hotties shopping, hangin' at a nice restaurant or whatever.

Show them to some of your local AWs and watch as they re-evaluate. Be very obscure when they start asking te inevitable questions. If they can't tell whether or not your hot friends are "for real"....(but they are, photos!! ) they will slowly go nuts.

Rock

[Happy Chappy]

What is the definition of small minority that absolutely needs to pay? I'm 44, average shape, great career, I can definitely afford to take out AW and show them a good time. But frankly its not worth my time and effort, because the better looking one will require more time and effort to unlock. Sure I can easily cruise local places and pick up less attractive women, but I'd rather go abroad and have my feast of hotties in their 20's.


perfectly summed up.

[CBGBConnisur]

The Superman effect happens when you come from a wealthy country and go to a poor one. There is a hierarchy of needs, a psychological theory that explains this, in poor countries women need their most basic needs met, while in rich ones women are more complicated.

[Bango Cheito]

I don't think that covers it. Plenty of mongering destinations are poor by US standards (US is after all still in the top 5 richest countries), but people there are by no means starving. Most of Latin America is like that, DR, CR, Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela. Most people are struggling to get by but there is still food on the table, so they aren't THAT desperate.

On the contrary I think it's the way we FOCUS on material things here, that makes us never satisfied even though the fridge is full and the bills are paid. We always keep worrying about material things and never even make it up to the next level.

For that theory to make sense, NOBODY moving to the US from a (comparatively) poorer nation would EVER want to go back under any circumstances. Yet most of them want to, and in fact 50% or in some cases even more of them do!

I really think it boils down to cultural differences, that they just have something we have lost up here. I actually think the same thing that is carrying loads of gringos on planes down to Latin America is the same thing that draws people BACK to it, despite better economic conditions in the US.

[Opebo]

A lot of generalizations about nationality fail to take into account economic class. I'm sure most of those who post upon this board are of the upper middle class (by the american definition, or middle class by the English definition). The lower working classes in the US, I can tell you, are rather similar to the classes in the 'third world' from which our service providers are drawn. And after all they are the great majority of americans.

I frequently found reasonable service and a rough but adequate level of attractiveness for $50 to $100 back in the Bad Place, which is actually cheaper relative to the cost of rent or of a meal than here in Thailand. It is true they're likely to be a bit fatter, but that is due to corporate food (i.e control) more than standard of living.

Those girls were of the lower class - more likely to be beaten by their male compatriots than to be imbued with 'feminist' sensibilities. By the same token, upper-middle class Thai girls I have dated seem relatively 'american' to me - they certainly don't take a lot of guff or remove my shoes for me.

Of course in all four cases - upper-third, lower-third, first-lower, or first-upper, intimacy to the level of bondage (marriage) is absolutely inadvisable.

The main difference we find between the 'third world' and the Bad Place is simply enforcement - america is much more of a police state than those places. There are simply VAST numbers of poor people in the US, and most of those who used to have middle income jobs are rapidly declining to the working poor status. There is a huge supply of desperate people there - in many ways more desperate than here in Thailand. I think the big difference is simply that here you used to be able to 'get away with it', while in the US enormous resources are expended in trying to prevent sex and drug use - with a surprisingly high degree of success. Recently here Thailand has been catching up as a police state very rapidly.

Come to the third world soon fellows - the Forces of Social Control are working as hard as they can to close it down just as they did with your neighborhood streetcorner.

[Rock Dog]

Bango, well said.

I've noticed some similar things in my travels. WE are wealthy in terms of having lots of "stuff" ie. material possesions. Yet, often find ourselves somehow happier when we are spending time in a so-called third world country. Maybe it's just because we can finally get laid or maybe it's something more. I suspect the latter is true.

I've noticed that guys posted at jobs in these countries invariably go chasing after the local girls soon after arriving. If they are married, have a GF or whatever, it doesn't matter..... they inevitably discover the superior qualities possesed by the local women.

I knew a guy who worked for the US state department at an embassy in one of these countries. His wife was actually there too and they were living together. Guess what? She was insanely vigilant.... to the point of being paranoid, that hubby was scoring on the side with the local talent. My guess is that he was. In any case, they aren't married anymore. He's probably a poorer, but happier man now.

Opebo thinks the third world is catching up to us somehow in terms of social attitudes or something. I disagree. There's always going to be cross-cultural influences, whether good or bad, but the gap is too great. Be patient my friends, life is filled with little disappointments, but all things change. Opebo has suggested as much. Perhaps someday we will see the equivalent of a third world class of people within the borders of the US itself. Good looking women get a lot less cocky when times are tough.

Rock

[Yogin]

Doesn't cover it at all. Wealthy countries such as Japan are pussy paradise for visiting Americans and other westerners. It's easy to get it for free! So a country's wealth or lack thereof doesn't tell the whole story of our prospects.

[Cyberdas]

Perhaps someday we will see the equivalent of a third world class of people within the borders of the US itself. Good looking women get a lot less cocky when times are tough.

Rock

Hey Rock Dog, I hate to be quoting you so frequently but I couldn't avoid doing so this time again. Trust me, it's all in good spirits.

I think we have had for a very long time a "third world class of people within the borders of the US itself". This has been more so the case since the current administration has been in power. I don't mean to get political here because I know that the main purpose of this forum is for other, better-suited purposes. But as happens here, now and then, you can't avoid talking about it.

Looking at what happened in the gulf region after hurricane Katrina and about the great number of people that slide down from middle-class to working poor every year - does say a lot about our own "third world class of people". And this is just to mention two things, I'm not even talking about the number of public kitchens and homeless families that we don't hear about through the corporate media but that exist and are real and true.

I'm not sure that the attitudes of AW have changed at all, if anything, for the worst. Considering how hard it is to land good paying jobs (or a decent job, altogether) in order to be able to afford all the materialistic and superficial lifestyles required by the status quo - one would imagine that on an overall basis, the attitudes of AW would be more in par with those of women in the "third world". But I think that the opposite is true.

I do agree with you, Rock Dog, in that we should keep the faith in looking forward to positive changes. Hopefully things here in Sex Prison USA will change for the better and with that the attitudes of our beloved (but not coveted) AW. However, I'm not sure if I have the will or the patience to wait for either to happen. And from the look of things, it seems as if the trend will only get worse in every aspect. Don't mean to be pessimistic here - maybe just realistic, IMHO.

Bango Cheito, I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe having all the materialistic possessions in the world will still not bring about true happiness. We have definitely lost our focus in seeking the material for the real. People in the "third world" may be poorer but as has been said here - happier. I certainly prefer to be happier too.

[Wet Nose]

another brilliant post from craigslist, written by a female, no less...

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as usual, i was cruising the internet looking for something to read when i came across my latest target. a “women’s only” website posted the list below. now, normally i’m all for debunking myths. for example i am glad to know that not all mexicans work as gardeners. it also makes me happy to see that not all black people are in gangs and that all white people are not preppy annoying penis holes. those myths are a pleasure to debunk. now, the myths below perplex me. why you might ask? well, because i don’t think they’re myths at all. being a female, i can say with a decent degree of certainty that numbers 1-7 are indeed true.

i know an assload of you women out there swear you are the perfect girlfriend and you’re probably cursing in the general direction of your monitor right about now. well fuck you, you’re not perfect and neither is anyone else. lets get on with it shall we?

the seven myths men believe about women

women are never satisfied
women are high maintenance
women want to control men
women are jealous and possessive
women are too emotional
women who appear to be strong and competent don’t need to be taken care of
women want to rob men of their freedom

ok let’s take this slowly and one step at a time…

women are never satisfied. correct!

no, women are never satisfied. if you get a better job, she’ll want you to get a nicer car or a bigger apartment or a larger house. if you have the more desirable accommodations, she’ll then expect you to take her on better (read: more expensive) dates. oh and don’t forget, the more you make the more expensive your fucking christmas and valentine’s day gifts should be. god help you if you show up with some shitty valentine and a box of chocolates. hell hath no fury like a woman jipped, trust me. fuck being scorned; we’re scorned every week when we get a smaller paycheck for doing the same job as the dude in the next cube. scorn we can deal with, cheap gifts we cannot.

women are high maintenance. bingo!

of course we’re high maintenance. an individual who makes you call them before you go out, expecting a briefing on the activities for the night, is high maintenance. a person who expects yet another call the moment you cross the threshold of your dwelling to let them know you’ve gotten home, is high maintenance. a woman, who makes you plan every date you go on because you are the guy, is high maintenance. a lady that expects you to buy her flowers every time some street vendor comes along to offer his wilted flora is high maintenance. a chick who makes you wait an hour before you can leave the house because she must first paint her face and do her hair and pick out seven different outfits, until she finds the one that makes her look desirable, but not slutty is high maintenance.

women want to control men. ¡sí!

if you hadn’t realized by now that a woman who buys you the clothes she wants you to wear, as opposed to the clothes that you want to wear, is attempting to control you, you’re hopeless and you should jump off a tall building. splat *****, you’re clueless.

women are jealous and possessive. true!

what? you don’t think you’re jealous? you’re seriously going to sit there and tell me that, if you and your man were in a bar and some pretty, young thing were sending him drinks or winking at him, you wouldn’t get jealous? fuck off, mother theresa, i don’t buy it. the next time his cell phone rings at 3:00 am i don’t want to see you flinch or scramble to grab it before he does so you can get a peek at the incoming call. as a matter of fact strike the phrase “that’s my man” from your vocabulary while you’re at it, since you’re not possessive either.

women are too emotional. you got it!

i don’t see a whole lot of men crying at the movies. i also don’t see a lot of men that break down into tears when a particularly sappy commercial comes on the television. i’ve led a pretty diverse and interesting life and i’ve had the privilege/carry the bane of, having seen a lot of things. i’ve seen a lot and i can report to you, dear reader that i’ve seen ten times as many women throwing hissy fits in the street directed at their significant others than i have seen men doing the same. i also don’t know of too many men that get together and rent movies that are meant to be emotional roller coasters so they can cry in unison. i do though, know a shit load of women that do.

women who appear to be strong and competent don’t need to be taken care of. [yes i know of is preposition, fuck off] right!

well, well, well, you only “appear” to be strong and competent, but really you’re neither. so, in essence you’re deceiving in order to manipulate. hmmmm, that sounds pretty fucking female to me, but i digress. women who appear to be strong and competent don’t need to be taken care of. what they need is therapy so they can stop pretending to be something they’re not.

women want to rob men of their freedom. oui!

freedom (n.) - a right or the power to engage in certain actions without control or interference.

-the preceding definition kind of infers independence then doesn’t it?

independence (n.) - freedom from control or influence of another or others.

now that we’ve gotten an idea of what freedom actually entails lets continue with our deconstruction of number six.

i’m assuming here that the bullshit website that posted this list of “myths” meant that these are seven “untruths” men believe about women they’re dating not just every woman under the sun. with this in mind, i’d like to delve a little deeper into the meaning and ultimately, the purpose of dating.

dating (v. tr.) - an engagement to go out socially with another person, often out of romantic interest.

ok so now that we know the definition of dating we can continue. when we date we go out with someone we like because we’re romantically interested in them and would like to spend more time getting to know this person intimately. so what exactly is the purpose of dating in the long run? do people intend on dating forever? not the people i know. most of those that call themselves my friends tell me that they’re dating to weed out the freaks and find someone they wouldn’t mind sharing a life with. now, this doesn’t necessarily mean that they want to be married. it just means that they’re dating in an effort to elect the most appropriate life partner. now, what i hear when they tell me this is: “i’m dating around to find someone i can live with and who i won’t want to choke the life out while they lay sleeping next to me a month or two into the relationship.”

ok well that’s all well and good, but when you’re in a relationship (married or not) then you have to begin thinking for two (no boys, you’re not already halfway there, thinking for your trouser snake does not count). what i’m saying is that in a relationship you have to compromise. i’m sure you’ll all agree with me there. here’s the kicker though: there is no mention of compromise in the definitions of freedom or independence. i’m guessing it’s because if you want to be free and independent then it would be counterproductive to begin compromising. so, if you want to be in a relationship with a woman than you better learn to fucking compromise now. if you’re looking for freedom and independence, go read the declaration at the national archives because you’re not going to find it in a woman who’s ass-deep in a “relationship.”

that’s right i said it, as women we’re all of the above. i’m not excluding myself because i already know i’m crazy and deranged, but guess who got me this way? yup, a man, so don’t be so quick to high five each other you misogynistic fucks. you dudes are just as fucked as we are. remember, in penguin territory, no one is safe.

bitchesssssssssssssssss.

[Bango Cheito]

Rock Dog, I was born in the town you now live in. I live in NYC now but I'm through with this place. They are already building my apartment in Colombia. I have my whole life ahead of me there. And I'm moving to Bogotá, which is hardly a city where the women are passive little pushovers either. But the place just OOZES sex, it is so wonderful to be in a place where an adult can be an adult.

[Rock Dog]

bango,

you're doing pretty much the same thing i've always planned to do. this city i'm living in does have a few bright spots..... that is, until i come back from a trip. then it looks and feels like the dullest, coldest, most boring place on earth.

you just can't talk to women here. you can't even look at them for fucks sake. it's like all the halfway decent looking ones have perfected this art of completely avoiding eye contact. can't blame them though. what with the way guys makes total asses of themselves trying to ask them out all the time.

then you go "somewhere else". it's like waking up from a nightmare, or like finally escaping from some kind of asylum where you're the only one who wasn't crazy. girls don't just look at you, they even smile at you! i know that part of it is because they think you're rich or something, but that can't be all of it. in many overseas countries, people actually know their neighbours. the kids aren't raised in a climate of fear (don't talk to strangers!) where any person they don't know is a potential lunatic molester.

my wife, who is from africa, commented on this one time. she tried saying hi to a couple of boys (maybe 8 or 9 yrs old) who were hanging around outside by the sidewalk. my wife is a beautiful, well dressed young woman who speaks perfect english, but these 2 kids just stared at her like she was crazy for trying to say "hi". i just told her that's the way things are here. everybody is suspicious and afraid.

we've got this woman, lindor reynolds, who writes editorials in the local newspaper. classic armchair do-gooder. the funny thing is, she's supposed to be so good and pure, but she's always writing about the sex trade, child exploitation, ****s or whatever. it's almost like she's fascinated by this stuff and her writing about it is a means of being in contact with it. of course she's divorced, with a teenage daughter who i'm sure will soon grow up to be as fucked up as her mom. it's all a bunch of hypocrisy and bs.

they do these occasional street sweeps "to eliminate" prostitution in certain areas of town. meanwhile, there are mps where you can go inside and get fs anytime with whoever you like..... and plenty of escort ads in the phonebook, paper and internet. all the talk and half-measures are just window dressing to keep the do-gooders happy in their little fantasy world.

that's why i like places like mexico, jamaica, eastern europe and africa.... they have a realistic attitude. the women haven't taken control and men can still do what they like to do. latin america? to me that's the place where the normal people are!

rock

ps. wet nose, i suspect that article you posted actually was written by a guy. there's just something about the writing style..... too forceful, too direct and too confrontational to be written by a woman.

[Lubricate It]

Doesn't cover it at all. Wealthy countries such as Japan are pussy paradise for visiting Americans and other westerners. It's easy to get it for free! So a country's wealth or lack thereof doesn't tell the whole story of our prospects.

Yogin,

As someone living in Tokyo I tend to disagree with you. While there will be exceptions and once-in-a lifetime one-night-stands, regular Japanese chicks (office workers and the like) here tend to look down on non-Japanese and Western men as prospective sex partners. They consider Americans and Brits and others to be beneath them. Just take a good look at the Japan thread to see how perplexed and shut out we expatriate guys are here. These chicks are so cashed up and full of themselves that even Japanese guys have a hard time.

Our prospects are much, much better in places like China and the Philippines.

[Lenin]

Hi guys,
I am from Russia.
I found recently on internet a pickup community who name
themselves as Pick-Up artists
All these guys like Mystery, Style, David DeAngelo, Tyler Durden and
many others achieved unbelievable results with AW simply
by experimenting, analyzing and sharing their experience.
It seems to me it is very powerful movement and it is so successful that even Russian
Men in Russia started copied some of their techniques.
I agree with most of the posts that social and sexual life
sucks here but may be you guys missed something?
May be you have not used all opportunities here in US?
I would like to hear your opinions about this new movement.

[Artisttyp]

I love it when either a working girl or a regular girl thinks I'm lying to them when I say " I dont have a girlfriend" I start laughing because they look at me dead in my eyes to see if I'm telling the truth .

[Bango Cheito]

For me the jury is still out on Japan. I used to think that Japan was way too tough on non-Japanese men for pussy, but I am hearing way too many reports to the contrary to ignore. I think it boils down to learning the culture and the language just like anywhere else on Earth (I do NOT recommend Bogotá for mongering for non-Spanish speakers).

I also have heard that some circles of Japanese women like to sleep with Westerners because it's almost like a bestiality fantasy for them, they see us as a bunch of fucking primates :)

I also notice a BIG difference in North America compared to when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s. The social fabric was in much better condition then IMHO. And p4p was certainly easier then. I remember thinking to myself as a teenager, how the fuck do these women stand out there when it's like -35 and they are wearing a goddamn mini-skirt. Must have been some chemical aid at work there!

[George90]

Hi guys,
I am from Russia.
I found recently on internet a pickup community who name
themselves as Pick-Up artists
All these guys like Mystery, Style, David DeAngelo, Tyler Durden and
many others achieved unbelievable results with AW simply
by experimenting, analyzing and sharing their experience.
It seems to me it is very powerful movement and it is so successful that even Russian
Men in Russia started copied some of their techniques.
I agree with most of the posts that social and sexual life
sucks here but may be you guys missed something?
May be you have not used all opportunities here in US?
I would like to hear your opinions about this new movement.

A man named David DeAngelo wrote a book some years ago on how to pick up women. Note that 'picking-up women' is not the same as developing a relationship. Most of the complaints about AWs relates to long-term relationships, not one night stands.

[Lenin]

I think one of the reasons why long-term relationships sucks here because a woman don’t need to compete for her man.
In Russia, for example, mostly a man is a prize for the woman.
Here a woman is a prize for the man. Such situation in US corrupts woman’s mentality.
A lot of Pick-up artists claim what they have good long term relationships partially
because their girlfriends afraid that they can be replaced easily.
Also their techniques help to filter out hundreds of women so it is easy for them to find good one.
I like about Pick-up Artist’s philosophy what they kick out woman from the
Pedestal. Practically they teach how to restore balance which
already exists in others countries.

[Rock Dog]

Well, this forum has gotten pretty boring lately. Or maybe you guys are all still hung over from St. Patricks?

Rock

[Lenin]

Or may be guys are reading DeAngelo?

[George90]

I think one of the reasons why long-term relationships sucks here because a woman don’t need to compete for her man.

I think it is worse than that. Women here don't need a man at all!!!!

I and others ran into so many American women whose mantra was "I don't need no man! I don't need you! I only want a man." that we gave up on them.

I am glad to here that Russian women are not like that, though I am not into ruskayas.

[Opebo]

I and others ran into so many American women whose mantra was "I don't need no man! I don't need you! I only want a man." that we gave up on them.

Well, do you 'need' or 'want' a woman? I don't see anything particularly troubling about the attitude you describe, other than the bad grammar.

[Lenin]

I am glad to here that Russian women are not like that ...
I think if most of American guys would not act like wussy, the situation here could be different too.

[Rock Dog]

I think if most of American guys would not act like wussy, the situation here could be different too.

OOoohhh SNAP! Now you went and started it.

Well yes, in a way it's true.... we sat by and did nothing while they got worse and worse. First they wanted a few rights, like the right to vote etc. Well there's nothing wrong with that. But those women just kept on going. They went slowly at first so we men didn't really see what was happening until it was too late.

Now it's too late. Any man here who acts like a real man runs the risk of losing his job, getting legal hassles (ie. harassment) or getting labelling as a "chauvinist".

There was this show on TV a week ago where the wives in 2 families trade places. One wife came from a lower income "slob family". The other wife came from a higher income "show-off" type of family.

They both had 3 kids. But the wife from the slob familiy actually had a pretty good attitude. The other one was a high-maintenance **** with a really shallow bitchy attitude. Her husband was selfish ass too. He'd just through money at her and the 3 daughters so they'd leave him alone while he went off to play golf.

So, do these women create themselves or do we men make them the way they are? My guess would be that the high maintenance ones tend to seek out assholes like her husband. Guys like him provide women like her with the thing that is most important to her. Women usually go for the guy they figure can help them achieve their most important goal. If that goal is to have a couple of kids and a close-knit family, they go for the family type of guy. If t goal is a big house wit new cars and lots of expensive stuff, they marry the high income jerk.

It's not the mens fault that women are the way they are, but we do often help them reach their full potential.

Rock

[Sinanju Master]

At work, we recently hired a chick (22-23) who is attractive enough to have about three schmoes to buy her furniture, take her to restaurants, drive her around in high-performance sports cars and other emasculating tasks. She tried to work me by saying: "Now that you got your profit-sharing check, you can take me out to dinner". I thought to myself: "Man, she has some COJONES, not even KNOWING me." I told her: "Doll, women take ME out to dinner. NOT the other way around". She had a comeback, but the ground rules were set. After seeing her on a daily basis, I don't think she's attractive enough to get into a fight for. On the other side of the coin, she works what she's got SUCCESSFULLY, so, I can't hate. In fact, I can't hate on ANY AW if they can pull it off. It's the fault of the AM if he surrenders his balls.

Verbal javelins, while expected, are welcome.

[The Cane]

Rock Dog, I was born in the town you now live in. I live in NYC now but I'm through with this place. They are already building my apartment in Colombia. I have my whole life ahead of me there. And I'm moving to Bogotá, which is hardly a city where the women are passive little pushovers either. But the place just OOZES sex, it is so wonderful to be in a place where an adult can be an adult.I just dumped a Colombian woman from Bogota who is as selfish, insensitive, and rude as the "best" of any American woman I have known. It was a pleasure to do it after 4 months too since I know she's more used to guys kissing her ass than telling her how much of a rude, self-absorbed person she can be.

[Bango Cheito]

Why did you give the ***** 4 months?

I'm very fortunate to have a gf that is the complete opposite of that. I'd trust her with my life ten times over. However if I didn't have a girl like that, I'd be availing myself of all the opportunities for p4p down there.

Actually we HAVE been availing ourselves together, check out my report in that section :P

[Lenin]

It's not the mens fault that women are the way they are, ...
Rock

In their core the women in all countries are same.
They want to be parasite on men.
In Russia feminism was official policy and was supported
by full power of communist regime since 1917, but men in Russia didn’t let
this shit happened.
It is AM fault that they let women did all this shit here in US.
Also when AM go abroad they spoil girls there too.
AM really have bad social virus.

[Lenin]

At work, we recently hired a chick (22-23) who is attractive enough to have about three schmoes to buy her furniture, take her to restaurants, drive her around in high-performance sports cars and other emasculating tasks. She tried to work me by saying: "Now that you got your profit-sharing check, you can take me out to dinner". I thought to myself: "Man, she has some COJONES, not even KNOWING me." I told her: "Doll, women take ME out to dinner. NOT the other way around". She had a comeback, but the ground rules were set. After seeing her on a daily basis, I don't think she's attractive enough to get into a fight for. On the other side of the coin, she works what she's got SUCCESSFULLY, so, I can't hate. In fact, I can't hate on ANY AW if they can pull it off. It's the fault of the AM if he surrenders his balls.

Verbal javelins, while expected, are welcome.

Since I came to US I still can not accustom that such idiots exist.
In Russia they would be ridiculed by friends and coworkers and lost any respect.
Here is a Russian style. I know one Russian man, construction worker. 58 old years, but he still has “alpha man” behavior. He lives in Brooklyn, NY. He has a cute 30 years old Russian girlfriend. She has university degree. He beat her once a week and keep telling her that she is garbage in comparison with his ex wife. One day he decided that $100/month which he spend for her entertainment is too much. He gave her drink, called police and kicked out her from his apartment. A lot of young Americanized woosy men wanted her but she didn’t care and returned back to him.

[Capt Ajax]

At work, we recently hired a chick (22-23) who is attractive enough to have about three schmoes to buy her furniture, take her to restaurants, drive her around in high-performance sports cars and other emasculating tasks. She tried to work me by saying: "Now that you got your profit-sharing check, you can take me out to dinner". I thought to myself: "Man, she has some COJONES, not even KNOWING me." I told her: "Doll, women take ME out to dinner. NOT the other way around". She had a comeback, but the ground rules were set. After seeing her on a daily basis, I don't think she's attractive enough to get into a fight for. On the other side of the coin, she works what she's got SUCCESSFULLY, so, I can't hate. In fact, I can't hate on ANY AW if they can pull it off. It's the fault of the AM if he surrenders his balls.

Verbal javelins, while expected, are welcome.

Hey Sinanju Master you've hit the nail right on the head. We only have ourselves to blame for the behavior of AW.

[Opebo]

Also when AM go abroad they spoil girls there too.

This is very true, though also some Western European and Japanese men are very bad as well, particularly about overpaying.

[Yogin]

First they wanted a few rights..nothing wrong with that. But those women just kept on going. They went slowly at first so we men didn't really see what was happening......
Now it's too late. Any man here who acts like a real man runs the risk of losing his job, getting legal hassles (ie. harassment) or getting labelling as a "chauvinist".


So true. I'm back in school now for a professional degree. These uber-feminist cunts run higher education now, in my area. If I dare publicly challenge the accuracy of their assumptions & dogma that they are still an oppressed group, I would be branded a number of unpleasant things and they'd make things very difficult for me.

"Chauvinist" has been replaced by the fancy more academic-sounding "Patriarchical". Same thing. Dismisses as irrelevant anyone with the balls to disagree.

You see, that is the danger of being a fanatical true believer in any belief system, be it religion, a political philosophy, social model, etc. If I disagree with them I'm not just differing in opinion. I'm wrong, bad, and therefore demonized & dehumanized.

[Npaul1]

So true. I'm back in school now for a professional degree. These uber-feminist cunts run higher education now, in my area. If I dare publicly challenge the accuracy of their assumptions & dogma that they are still an oppressed group, I would be branded a number of unpleasant things and they'd make things very difficult for me.

"Chauvinist" has been replaced by the fancy more academic-sounding "Patriarchical". Same thing. Dismisses as irrelevant anyone with the balls to disagree.It was that way back in 1978 when I was working on a graduate degree in business.

The topic for group discussion/interaction was the right of a woman to choose to have an abortion or not. I interjected that the man should have some say in the matter too, since he was subject to 18 years of child support. All the feminist bichtes stared at me like I was on some other planet.

BTW I will vote for Hilary Bich Clinton when women get drafted and open doors for me.

[Capt Ajax]

If I had a choice between a younger hotter girl and a 30+yr old soccer mom. I would pick the soccer mom without any hesitation. Why you ask?? The younger, hotter girls are scarcely worth the effort. "They seem to think lighting shoots out of their pussy-------'Oh, you want sex, what are you going to give me?' The soccer mom is like, "I just want you to fuck the living shit out of me."

[Rock Dog]

This just in.....

Apparently Salma Hayek, you know her....the hot latina babe with the big boobies!! Anyways, Salma has found her one true love. Yes, he's some European guy (French maybe) and not only are they getting married, but he's already got her knocked up. Oh and btw, he's a billionaire of course.

Smart comment by a blogger on the whole thing. "How nice that Salma has found her soulmate.... and he just happens to be a billionaire. It's amazing how, even in our age of advanced technology, love can be so unpredictable."

Good sarcasm! Little bit disappointing though. What with Salma being a latina and all, I figured she might be attracted to something besides money. Same old pattern though. Push the movie career untl you're in your late 30's. Then right about the time the offers for good parts are drying up, the actress decides "it's time for a family"..... English translation (from feminese): I selfishly pursued money, fame and career until recently, but now I need to get pregnant before I hit menopause and it's too late.

Lenin is right about one thing. Women DO want to become parasites on men. Mostly, it's a reproductive thing..... first they find a guy who's fairly easy to get along with. Then, they sucker him into marriage, or some similar arrangement where he ends up footing the bill for everything. Yeah, there are women who work for a living too, but they still usually try and find a guy that makes more than they do.

My own wife has been PUSHING me to have a kid. You wouldn't believe the pissy attitude when another month goes by without the "good news". I promised her we could have kids as soon as certain conditions were met. Now everything is set and we've been trying, but she's being so fucking impatient about the whole thing. I don't think many men out there understand how strong this motivation can be for women.

Comments?

Rock

[Yogin]

It was that way back in 1978 when I was working on a graduate degree in business.


Trust me: it's far worse. Those angry entitled bitches you went to school with are now the tenured full professors running the show, having been installed as such by retiring old guys with misplaced misdirected white man's guilt.

I complained to a male longtime professor about this. While he did validate some of my concerns and admitted to being the target of ridiculous entitlement-imbued demands from his colleagues, he suggested I have more of an open mind, compassion, & empathy. Doubt he'd say that to the feminazis. So ironic this, as in most instances I'd consider myself a flaming liberal. But as to feminism, it's such a crock.

[Crypton]

Little bit disappointing though. What with Salma being a latina and all, I figured she might be attracted to something besides money.

Why would you expect Latina women to be different? Women (and indeed, females of all species) are selected to seek out resources for themsleves and their offspring. I would not begrudge women for seeking resources (by marrying someone who can be a good provider; in case of other animals by mating with males that can hold territory or otherwise provide resources to the female) any more than I do men who want to sleep around. This is for the simple reason that women can maximize their reproduction by garnering resources for themselves and their offspring; similarly males can maximize their reproduction by mating with as many females as possible. Think about this: a female that mates with 10 males has no more offspring than a female that mates with only 1-2 males. On the other hand, the number of offspring a male can have is directly proportional to the number of females he can mate with. This equation is fine - in so far as it is common throughout the animal and plant kingdom. The problem, however, is the justice system in the US and elsewhere - the courts have decidedly swung in favor of mothers in every case regardless of the fact that it may not be the best outcome in all cases.

[Sinanju Master]

If I had a choice between a younger hotter girl and a 30+yr old soccer mom. I would pick the soccer mom without any hesitation. Why you ask?? The younger, hotter girls are scarcely worth the effort. "They seem to think lighting shoots out of their pussy-------'Oh, you want sex, what are you going to give me?' The soccer mom is like, "I just want you to fuck the living shit out of me."

... Soccer mom may be experiencing a waning sex life at home due to kids, a job (IF she has one), housework, feeding and caring for a family that is a constant burden, a hubby who has let himself go and is no longer attentive to her needs, etc. By this time, she may have gained enough experience in the sack to make a Bengal tiger seem like a sedated housecat. I saw an example of what one just may look like (provided she still keeps herself looking great) on a swimsuit site called Wicked Weasel. Her name is Marilyn. Here is the link to see what she looks like.

http://contris.wickedweasel.com/posts/2007-03-08/marylin/1

The younger, less experienced honey would only have her body (with little or NO useful sexual experience) to offer.

[Sinanju Master]

Your post rings so true. I grew up believing the bullshit spewed out by Hollywood about the golden-hearted guy getting the girl, because she eventually dumps the player and sees in golden-hearted guy the qualities she'd been seeking in a guy all along. I'll be the first to admit to the world that what I needed was for a bunch of guys to line up, one after the other, to punch me dead in the face to make me see the world for what it really is. Pragmatism rules, and the second a guy realizes that, he can employ cunning instead of following a bullshit script written for chicks to enjoy.

[Yogin]

[QUOTE=Crypton] ...males can maximize their reproduction by mating with as many females as possible. Think about this: a female that mates with 10 males has no more offspring than a female that mates with only 1-2 males. On the other hand, the number of offspring a male can have is directly proportional to the number of females he can mate with. QUOTE]

True, however if a female mates with multiple males while duping her mate that all the kids are his, she has the best of both worlds: a mate who provides resources & protection, and the chance to pick & choose genetic material from a variety of males. So there is an evolutionary advantage for both sexes to pretend to pair off while cheating.

[Bango Cheito]

There is no question that in women the biological drive to get pregnant is VERY strong.

My ex wife never mentioned them when we first met, but a couple years later it was her ONLY topic of conversation. I finally told her we could have kids but she would have to pick up my slack as I could easily be too busy and travelling to much to do my share, and that as long as that was fine with her, we could have them.

So 9 months later my daughter was born and SHE SHOWED HER TRUE COLORS. I don't think she had any intention of keeping her part of the bargain from jump. She probably thought that having kids would 'change me' fat fucking chance!!

[Rock Dog]

yeah, i see the same thing coming. it's like "you promised me we could have kids". so i say yeah, but you're gonna be busy taking care of them..... it's not gonna be like back home where you've got a bunch of sisters, nieces and other female family relatives to chip in with taking care of the kids.

of course she doesn't see things that way. she's so blinded by this baby fever she just ignores anything that might be contrary to her goal. i'm evening wondering if she cares about me anymore, or if my sole function is to assist in her procreational scheme.

there's not a chance that i'm going to be hanging around 7 nights a week listening to a squawking baby while i change crappy [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131). if she wants to experience "the joy of motherhood", she's welcome to it......all of it.

rock

[George90]

Trust me: it's far worse. Those angry entitled bitches you went to school with are now the tenured full professors running the show, having been installed as such by retiring old guys with misplaced misdirected white man's guilt.

I think it also depends on the field of study. In English, Psychology, Medicine, Art, yes, women dominated in those fields and male students are subjected to feminist prejudice.

However, women are either not attracted to (or not suited to) fields like Engineering or Computer Science. Men still dominate in those fields and the male students in them are relatively free of feminist forces.

I now wish I had studied computer science when I was in college. But at that time, the PC had not yet evolved and computers were not nearly as powerful and versatile as they are now.

[George90]

There is no question that in women the biological drive to get pregnant is VERY strong.

I have seen this and been told this by some honest women, but I am also confused by it because the numbers of children women (in the US and Europe) are having is declining, while the numbers of childless women is rising.

There is a rash of adoptions also going on. Many women who don't want the difficulties of a man around the house, adopt children from China or Eastern Europe.

From what I have seen of how some women behave with their children, is that they want to recreate the artificial doll family man had as little girls. I am thinking about the pageants that some mothers go crazy over. Its the JonBenet syndrome; she wasn't treated like a child, she was treated like a toy. Some many want to have a real live toy doll to play with, to dress up, to show off, to see sing and dance in pageants, to make beautiful.

Then some other mothers want to have a 'best friend' and treat their daughters like buddies instead of children. I had a former colleague, a mother, who slept with her daughter, then 5, in her daughter's bed more often than she slept with her husband in the marital bed. She told me this without any hint of shame or inkling that it was weird.

I am not sure how strong the motive of passing on one's genes are in women generally.

[Rock Dog]

I am not sure how strong the motive of passing on one's genes are in women generally.

Trust me, it can be very strong. Women are especially driven by this need in their late teens all the way up to their early 30's.

I call it "Baby Rabies".

The only known cures are a.) having one, or b.) menopause.

Rock

[George90]

I call it "Baby Rabies".

Exactly! For some women any baby will do. And what is important is having the baby around to play with and show off to everyone.

As opposed to bearing one's own biological child, focusing on being the parent, not the friend, and guiding the child through childhood so that he/she develops into a well-rounded, well adjusted, successful adult.

I see too much of the former, 'Baby Rabies', and too little of the latter. normal motherhood.

[Bango Cheito]

yeah, i see the same thing coming. it's like "you promised me we could have kids". so i say yeah, but you're gonna be busy taking care of them..... it's not gonna be like back home where you've got a bunch of sisters, nieces and other female family relatives to chip in with taking care of the kids.

of course she doesn't see things that way. she's so blinded by this baby fever she just ignores anything that might be contrary to her goal. i'm evening wondering if she cares about me anymore, or if my sole function is to assist in her procreational scheme.

there's not a chance that i'm going to be hanging around 7 nights a week listening to a squawking baby while i change crappy [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131). if she wants to experience "the joy of motherhood", she's welcome to it......all of it.

rock

dude be prepared. as it stood i spent a lot of time with my kids when they were younger but it was never enough. i went out with friends once during the first six weeks of my first kid's life. i even told my then wife to get a babysitter and come along! she wouldn't have it, and i was a bad father. she still brings it up from time to time!

[Crypton]

True, however if a female mates with multiple males while duping her mate that all the kids are his, she has the best of both worlds: a mate who provides resources & protection, and the chance to pick & choose genetic material from a variety of males. So there is an evolutionary advantage for both sexes to pretend to pair off while cheating.

Good point and I agree. However, my point was about the assumption that Selma Hayek would not be attracted to money just because she is latina!!

Cheers

[The Corn Hole]

Also when AM go abroad they spoil girls there too.
AM really have bad social virus.


This is very true, though also some Western European and Japanese men are very bad as well, particularly about overpaying.

Some AM men have a tendency to overpay but at least some have the opportunity not to do so. Most Japanese men have to spend more on pussy because they have zero game.

[Opebo]

Some AM men have a tendency to overpay but at least some have the opportunity not to do so. Most Japanese men have to spend more on pussy because they have zero game.

Beware, The Corn Hole, your pride is nothing more than a tool she will use to trick you! See posts by the excellent 'Humble Turd' (aka 'That Asshole') for further explication.

Perhaps if you have 'game' you should be the pimp, not the john?

[Dr X Man]

If you have one girlfriend or wife. You are a boyfriend or husband.
If you have two girlfriends at the same time. You are a player.
If you have three girls and more at the same time. You are a pimp.


Beware, The Corn Hole, your pride is nothing more than a tool she will use to trick you! See posts by the excellent 'Humble Turd' (aka 'That Asshole') for further explication.

Perhaps if you have 'game' you should be the pimp, not the john?

[Lenin]

Some AM men have a tendency to overpay but at least some have the opportunity not to do so. Most Japanese men have to spend more on pussy because they have zero game.
Italians have good game. French Canadians not bad too.

[Doctor_Skank]

Italians have good game. French Canadians not bad too.

That might depend on the environment they are in. In Europe or America they might do well, but it's also a question of perspective Lenin.

In EE, Italians are notorious overpayers in Romania, Moldova and Ukraine and are essentially ruining those markets with their clumsy "game". They think they have much better game than they actually do. Don't buy into their advertising. The only people they are cheap to are the waiters and service staff... actually the people you SHOULDNT be cheap to. They throw money at women, much of it thrown straight out the window.

I know some Italians with excellent game, but also watch in horror as most of them completely fuck things up. Seen it too many times. With a lot of girls in areas that Italian sex tourists frequent "Italiano" is a running joke.

I do give them credit for style and effort though... they are everywhere that pussy is... and they make good wingmen. :)

Most men of every nation stop thinking clearly as soon as pussy in involved. It's a fundamental weakness.

[Capt Ajax]

Most men of every nation stop thinking clearly as soon as pussy in involved. It's a fundamental weakness.

I completely agree with this comment.

[Bango Cheito]

Italians are ALL OVER Cuba and Brazil. RTFF! Porco Dio!

[Doctor_Skank]

Italians are ALL OVER Cuba and Brazil. RTFF! Porco Dio!

I can't speak for SA and the Caribbean... nor for LOS or SEA... but from my experience they are really everywhere in Europe and Eastern Europe... some of the world's most prolific mongerers... I actually respect that. That doesn't mean they have game though.

It is often lamented that where they go (in groups) the prices for pro sex usually go up and the local "freebie" girls "mysteriously" become less interested in foreign men Italian or otherwise.

Whether or not this is really due to them is up to some sociologist to decide, but that is a common consensus among those travelling in EE... see Latvia, Ukraine, Moldova... that an influx of Italian mongers means the market will soon go to shit... for everybody, including the Italians.

The problem isnt the professional monger. He is skilled and generally knows how to behave in a smart manner. The problem is the amateur sex tourist who doesn't know what he is doing and throws money in the wrong directions, chases every average-looking girl as if she is some sort of goddess and generally pisses everybody off in the country he has chosen to play in and swing his dick around.

EE is full of amateur sex tourists with Italians being one of the most prominent national groups. I don't blame them for travelling abroad to get laid... but wish they'd be a little more skilled in their methods.

This goes for mongers of all nations... I don't think any one... Italians, Americans, English or otherwise... can be entirely blamed for the price increases and other problems. We are all part of the problem I suppose... but many of the "problems"...particularly economy, modern ease of travel and spread of Western attitudes via mass media... are beyond our control.

I think the biggest single factor is ease of cheap travel. I know that a lot of tourist mongers get happy when they learn of cheap airfares to their favorite mongering destination, but I wince. It's the first sign that a good thing is about to go sour.

My attitude is that if you find something good, enjoy it while it lasts... it won't last forever.

[Rock Dog]

Draculas daughters? WTF is that supposed to mean anyways?

Doesn't matter what country you come from, if you run around blowing extra $$$ on the girls (above and beyond the going rate) you are a loser. Not just that, but you fuck things up for everyone else.

You can't say "Oh, it's the Italians, or Oh those Americans with their money!" There's always dummies from every country who overdo it.... with the end result being a bunch of spoiled women with overvalued pussies.

This happens in EVERY place where there are lots of tourists. Eg. Cancun you can get inexpensive, quality pussy pretty much anywhere in Mexico. Everywhere that is, except for Cancun. There, you will pay for it. We're talking $200 for getting laid in a country where it usually costs 40 or 50 bucks. That's because Cancun is choked with tourists. Tourists who bring money and don't care about overpaying for sex.

Go somewhere where there aren't a lot of tourists and the price is alway lower. Even going in the off-season means prices are better. That's economics 101, low demand + steady supply = lower prices. Tourists represent demand, regardless of their nationality.

Rock

[Buko Max]

Doesn't matter what country you come from, if you run around blowing extra $$$ on the girls (above and beyond the going rate) you are a loser. Not just that, but you fuck things up for everyone else.
Yes very true but what about a place that is set up for the mongering tourist such as Angeles City, Philippines and people still get it wrong. The bars there have set prices and you tip a certain percentage of the bar fine if you liked the service or girl. If you did not like the service or if you are cheap, you can tip nothing. But you have Korean and Japanese dudes comming in and tipping 5 times the bar fine! Even the women there see these guys as cash cow suckers!