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Viva Chicas
05-14-08, 10:55
Greetings everyone!
From what I believe, women serve four roles in society.
1) Sex
2) Feed her man food
3) Take care of the house
4) Take care of the kids
If they can't do the above, why put up with any of the
crap regardless of what country they come from?
Don't you guys think that American women resistance to be taken easy goes toward their worth to society and worth to themselves. Where I live in the Philippines to many women just give themselves way to easy.Why not come down to the good ole U.S. of A and try marrying an American woman and she what HELL you'll go through.
Tarius Shinobi
05-15-08, 02:48
british actor john cleese (68) recently divorced from his 3rd american wife(63), a psychotherapist.
also, his ex wife claims that she is broke & now he has to pay her about $150,000 a month in alimony.
john cleese said that paying her the money is worth every penny, because he is now rid of her. but c'mon, no woman's pussy, regardless of her age is worth $150,000.
final score: aw-3,john cleese-0
Tarius Shinobi
05-15-08, 03:11
More powerful American men bowed down to the "Power of the Pussy" American style:
1. We all know about former NY Governor, Elliot Spitzer and his call girl fiasco which lead to his resignation from office. ( She was in a "Girl's Gone Wild" video & has a myspace page to promote her awful music!)
2. Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's false statements regarding his sexy text messages to his former chief of staff Christine Beatty has led to his forth coming removal from office. ( And she isn't even hot!)
3. Ohio Attorney General Marc Dunn resigned due to sexual harassment alligations & an extramarital affair.
What the fuck?
Why not come down to the good ole U.S. of A and try marrying an American woman and she what HELL you'll go through.
I was married to an American woman for four years. She was arrogant, controlling, stubborn, selfish and cold. You know what though she pulled her own weight never asked me for a dime during marriage. We spilt everything 50-50. Only during our divorce she got kind of ugly but so did I thats what divorces do. She then begged off and didn't get any money even though from time to time she asks knowing what type of money I am making. I simply refuse and go on with my life.
Guys I am not defending American women but in Asia some guys think its a paradise and its not. The women there need money simple as that and they don't care who provides it. Most American women I know pulled their own weight that whats creates the choosiness that guys fear? That goes a long way with me rather then a woman being a domestic house cleaning currency vacuum.
CBGBConnisur
05-15-08, 16:50
Christine Beatty is a fine piece of ass, Mayor Kirkpatrick I don't blame him if he could not resist. I live in a country where the leader is known to take foreign dignitaries out to strip clubs, Australia.
Asian women are easy depending upon where they come from, I agree Asia is no paradise, you need to take an Immodium with everything you eat or drink(not in Japan or Singapore where cleanliness is comparable to Western nations). I am afraid to drink water in most places over there, and prefer just to have a Coke. I have heard of guys going to Asia for fun and then winding up in prison.
Member #2041
05-15-08, 17:06
british actor john cleese (68) recently divorced from his 3rd american wife(63), a psychotherapist.
also, his ex wife claims that she is broke & now he has to pay her about $150,000 a month in alimony.
john cleese said that paying her the money is worth every penny, because he is now rid of her. but c'mon, no woman's pussy, regardless of her age is worth $150,000.
final score: aw-3,john cleese-0
it's not her pussy that cleese says is worth $150k/month, it's her absence that's worth it. which is a much more plausible justification.
Tarius Shinobi
05-15-08, 19:04
Christine Beatty is a fine piece of ass, Mayor Kirkpatrick I don't blame him if he could not resist. I live in a country where the leader is known to take foreign dignitaries out to strip clubs, Australia.
Asian women are easy depending upon where they come from, I agree Asia is no paradise, you need to take an Immodium with everything you eat or drink(not in Japan or Singapore where cleanliness is comparable to Western nations). I am afraid to drink water in most places over there, and prefer just to have a Coke. I have heard of guys going to Asia for fun and then winding up in prison.I agree with that. I would never look at Asia as being an alternate as far as looking for a wife. When I lived in Asia, I had my share of women who later turned out to be " Evil Dragon Ladyz"! I had & still have fun with women regardless where I am in the world, including North America.
However, as far as marriage in concerned: Forget it!
Tarius Shinobi
05-15-08, 19:07
It's not her pussy that Cleese says is worth $150K/month, it's her absence that's worth it. Which is a much more plausible justification.Never the less, regardless of the case, that amount of money is way too much. The western court system favors women ! Fuck all that!
I have heard of guys going to Asia for fun and then winding up in prison.
I'd like to hear more.
It's not her pussy that Cleese says is worth $150K/month, it's her absence that's worth it. Which is a much more plausible justification.
I just have a friend that got hit for over $10M USD. Half of the money in his 401K, the house and other assets. Then the ***** also wanted alimony. She up until ten years ago was with a high profile company earning $200K+ per year. Post Grad degree from an ivy league school ....etc..etc..etc..
but now she does not want to work anymore... fu$king greedy bit#h. This shit is the only thing i not thinking about divorce. I do not want to be poorer than the homeless guy that you see on the street.
When i get tired of the nagging... i always have a business trip abroad... so that i do not have to hear the constant nagging. I do travel to asia, but you still need to worry about hooking up with another greedy bit#h. I have a formula that seems to be working. I usually hookup with MILF or lonely horny housewife. Through the years I have found an abundant supply of MILF. I currently have quite a few that i hookup with. when i get tired of them, i just find an excuse to dump and look for newer or different ones.
As for their hubby or boyfriends... i usually get a recent pics of their signif. other so that i will know or figure out if someone is tailing me.
I have a formula that seems to be working. I usually hookup with MILF or lonely horny housewife. Through the years I have found an abundant supply of MILF. I currently have quite a few that i hookup with. when i get tired of them, i just find an excuse to dump and look for newer or different ones.
I follow the same formula and it WORKS!!! I don't hook up with just any MILF, it has to be an MILF who was a stunner in her younger days.
Chocha Monger
05-16-08, 04:12
d etat,
perhaps, your divorce was not typical of the usual ass [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) meted out to the average american man because:
1. your marriage was of a relatively short duration.
2. your wife probably worked or had her own source of income.
3. most importantly, your wife may not have borne you any offspring. children = leverage big time, if she didn’t have any then her ability to financially [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you was severely circumscribed.
4. maybe she wasn’t smart enough to get a real hardcore ass [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) divorce lawyer or she thought that better prospects were already lined up.
also, i’m not in agreement that most american women pull their weight financially. most american women bring huge amounts of debt into the marriage and tend to be more of a financial liability than anything else. even the educated ones with good jobs tend to quit and never return to work after having kids. women tend to marry to men who make more money than they do, so in most cases the deal is not favorable to the man from the start. however, i do agree that women in asia, the world over for that matter, want money and many don’t care who provides it.
i don’t think most guys fear the choosiness but rather the ruthless greed and spitefulness that comes at the end of “love” with aw. i’m sure that the stupid little games they like to play sometimes makes guys reluctant to approach them too. american women’s choosiness has little to do with their supposed independence. in fact, this choosiness stems from the historical roots of this country. when america was colonized by the europeans there wasn’t a whole lot of european pussy to go around and rooting the savages wasn’t exactly popular. white pussy was pretty worth its weight in gold and cat houses were a booming business in the new world. there are documented cases of married men arriving with their wives in gold rush towns only have the little ladies take off with some prospector who hit the mother lode or taking up residence in the local cat house where their wares brought in a lot of gold dust. the scarcity of pussy when this nation was founded influences attitudes towards it today. why do you think women quickly moved to have legislation enacted that regulates the importation of foreign pussy to these shores? american women are no less cash vacuums than foreign women except that they demand more cash because no currency advantage exists in the domestic market. american men are simply beginning to do what american corporations have been doing for years when they no longer want to pay what laborers at home demand. they are peddling their cocks offshore in more favorable markets.
i was married to an american woman for four years. she was arrogant, controlling, stubborn, selfish and cold. you know what though she pulled her own weight never asked me for a dime during marriage. we spilt everything 50-50. only during our divorce she got kind of ugly but so did i thats what divorces do. she then begged off and didn't get any money even though from time to time she asks knowing what type of money i am making. i simply refuse and go on with my life.
guys i am not defending american women but in asia some guys think its a paradise and its not. the women there need money simple as that and they don't care who provides it. most american women i know pulled their own weight that whats creates the choosiness that guys fear? that goes a long way with me rather then a woman being a domestic house cleaning currency vacuum.
Tarius Shinobi
05-16-08, 04:25
I saw a news segment about AW who go to the caribbean for sex with the locals. I use to fuck this AW who went to Jamaica for that purpose.
When she came back she tried to rub it in my face. I didn't care anyway.
After I stopped seeing her, I called her months later. From Singapore.
I saw a news segment about AW who go to the caribbean for sex with the locals. I use to fuck this AW who went to Jamaica for that purpose.
When she came back she tried to rub it in my face. I didn't care anyway.
After I stopped seeing her, I called her months later. From Singapore.They go to Jamaica. Usually to some of the high end resorts.
Grand Lido Resorts and others like that.
d etat,
perhaps, your divorce was not typical of the usual ass [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) meted out to the average american man because:
1. your marriage was of a relatively short duration.
2. your wife probably worked or had her own source of income.
3. most importantly, your wife may not have borne you any offspring. children = leverage big time, if she didn’t have any then her ability to financially [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you was severely circumscribed.
4. maybe she wasn’t smart enough to get a real hardcore ass [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) divorce lawyer or she thought that better prospects were already lined up.
nope didn't have any kids. she asked for money but i refused and told her we could battle for it in court but i had more money and therefore could afford the better lawyer. she begged off. we were both indebt until i landed my dream job and wiped our slates clean but she seemed to forget about that and wanted me to somehow make up for money she spent on the marriage as if i didn't spend any also. she is and was a cop during the process.
also, i’m not in agreement that most american women pull their weight financially. most american women bring huge amounts of debt into the marriage and tend to be more of a financial liability than anything else. even the educated ones with good jobs tend to quit and never return to work after having kids. women tend to marry to men who make more money than they do, so in most cases the deal is not favorable to the man from the start. however, i do agree that women in asia, the world over for that matter, want money and many don’t care who provides it.
i don’t think most guys fear the choosiness but rather the ruthless greed and spitefulness that comes at the end of “love” with aw. i’m sure that the stupid little games they like to play sometimes makes guys reluctant to approach them too. american women’s choosiness has little to do with their supposed independence. in fact, this choosiness stems from the historical roots of this country. why do you think women quickly moved to have legislation enacted that regulates the importation of foreign pussy to these shores? american women are no less cash vacuums than foreign women except that they demand more cash because no currency advantage exists in the domestic market. american men are simply beginning to do what american corporations have been doing for years when they no longer want to pay what laborers at home demand. they are peddling their cocks offshore in more favorable markets.
great points but its way to easy to get laid in asia for all the wrong reasons. not complaining :) just pointing out. second thing is i have been around all type of foreign women the bar girls to the professionals and though the name changes the game remains the same. some jobless local cat will fuck them for nothing and treat them like shit. when the foreigner comes along now its i want to get married and have big house what the fuck? most american girls i was with was just looking for a good time.
CBGBConnisur
05-16-08, 18:12
I'd like to hear more.
Some people get the idea because they are a Westerner in a third world country that gives them the right to do whatever they want. A lot of guys get caught up in drugs or other underworld activities. Its a good idea to keep away from those elements in Asia, as you could wind up in the local 'Hilton' for life. Although p4p is out in the open and legal in most of Asia, drugs are not. In Singapore, its an automatic trip to the gallows if you are caught, this in a country where prostitutes knock on your door if you want sex.
Tarius Shinobi
05-16-08, 18:54
Some people get the idea because they are a Westerner in a third world country that gives them the right to do whatever they want. A lot of guys get caught up in drugs or other underworld activities. Its a good idea to keep away from those elements in Asia, as you could wind up in the local 'Hilton' for life. Although p4p is out in the open and legal in most of Asia, drugs are not. In Singapore, its an automatic trip to the gallows if you are caught, this in a country where prostitutes knock on your door if you want sex.You are right, prostitution is legal in Singapore. When I lived there, I use to get massages. Happy endings are the norm.
And even though many of the women in Singapore are independent, they are horny as hell. I love that place.
No to drugs, yes to xxx !
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24670991/
Does this Lynda Wheeler hog look like she's been going hungry? Later on the article claims that "potato chips and cookies are cheaper than healthy food." Cheaper per what? Kilogram? Or gram of protein? Or what? What a crock of shit.
Ooooink.
Great points but its way to easy to get laid in Asia for all the wrong reasons. Not complaining :) just pointing out.
And what, pray tell, would be a "wrong reason" to get laid? I don't understand.
SavePros321
05-17-08, 03:22
they go to Jamaica. usually to some of the high end resorts.
Grand Lido Resorts and others like that.Or Kenya as it seems.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2638979720071126
SavePros321
05-17-08, 03:40
I just have a friend that got hit for over $10M USD. Half of the money in his 401K, the house and other assets.This brings up a very important question to gents with a lot (of money) to loose in a divorce:
IS ANOTHER MAN LIVING OFF OF YOUR CHARITY?
Think about it. If a woman hits you up for child support, is it safe to assume that the next guy she hooks up with (who pretends to play "daddy" to your kid) is reaping the benefits?
Take P Diddy for instance. His "baby momma" continues to usher his ass back into court demanding more increases in child support payments? Why? The little knuckle-head kid isn't even old enough to be needing too much at this point in his life!
But I guarantee you that there is some unemployed Rico Suave type guy lounging around on his baby momma's couch (that Diddy's child support payed for) pumping up her head and telling her that she need to hit him up for more child support because:
A) P Diddy's got lots of money (about 350 million+). Rico Suave: "It aint going to hurt him to break you off a few more dollars. That's bread crumbs to him!"
B) Rico Suave: "You deserves it baby."
P Diddy is ordered by the courts to un-ass more of his cash to baby momma. Rico Suave wins. Books a flight to the Caribbean for the two of them to celebrate...with her money.
Opinions please!
DJ FourMoney
05-17-08, 07:33
This brings up a very important question to gents with a lot (of money) to loose in a divorce:
IS ANOTHER MAN LIVING OFF OF YOUR CHARITY?
Think about it. If a woman hits you up for child support, is it safe to assume that the next guy she hooks up with (who pretends to play "daddy" to your kid) is reaping the benefits?
Take P Diddy for instance. His "baby momma" continues to usher his ass back into court demanding more increases in child support payments? Why? The little knuckle-head kid isn't even old enough to be needing too much at this point in his life!
But I guarantee you that there is some unemployed Rico Suave type guy lounging around on his baby momma's couch (that Diddy's child support payed for) pumping up her head and telling her that she need to hit him up for more child support because:
A) P Diddy's got lots of money (about 350 million+). Rico Suave: "It aint going to hurt him to break you off a few more dollars. That's bread crumbs to him!"
B) Rico Suave: "You deserves it baby."
P Diddy is ordered by the courts to un-ass more of his cash to baby momma. Rico Suave wins. Books a flight to the Caribbean for the two of them to celebrate...with her money.
Opinions please!
Sounds quite normal to me, but if you have seen who Diddy's been bangin lately I don't think I would care about a few more thousand...
The Canadian hottie is three or four steps ABOVE Kim Potter...
And what, pray tell, would be a "wrong reason" to get laid? I don't understand.Man If you have hung around Asia you would.
I actually applaud the women who travel for p4p. They're just playing the same game! In fact I think jackson should start a forum for single women traveling for p4p.
Or Kenya as it seems.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2638979720071126
Chocha Monger
05-17-08, 15:46
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24670991/
Does this Lynda Wheeler hog look like she's been going hungry? Later on the article claims that "potato chips and cookies are cheaper than healthy food." Cheaper per what? Kilogram? Or gram of protein? Or what? What a crock of shit.
Ooooink.
She looks pretty well fed to me... actually she looks over-fed. I couldn't help but notice the large bag of charcoal briquettes in the shopping cart. It seems like she must be grilling a whole lot of meat. The picture does a lot better at telling the true story than the article does.
Another point is that she has a 1 yr old child in addition to the 3 yr old. Just when did this sow figure out she couldn't afford to feed children? Perhaps, she really doesn't care because she feels that it's the tax-payers' job to feed her and her offspring. I'm sorry but Lynda Wheeler is just another deadbeat living off the rest of us by taking advantage of the system.
Or Kenya as it seems.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2638979720071126I do not see anything wrong with that. Like the old saying" what is good for the goose is good for the gander".
Or Kenya as it seems.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2638979720071126
Very interesting article. I also say more power to those 'cougars'.
What I don't like is the hypocrisy of persecuting and prosecuting men for paying for the company of young adult women, but Western women get to celebrate their 'freedom' and 'equality with men' when they get their groove back with young adult men.
And, since you can't buy charcoal briquettes with food stamps, Lynda can't really be broke either. Maybe she figures the more kids she has, the more food stamps she would get (which is true, of course).
I got food stamps in my misspent youth. But I am Irish and not too smart. The first time, I got $200 worth of food stamps and it cost me $150 just to mail the watermelon.
But the chica with the two kids, 1 and 3, is not Lynda, the one in the picture. That is Danielle. Probably they did not take her picture because they did not have a wide-angle lens.
Very interesting article. I also say more power to those 'cougars'.
What I don't like is the hypocrisy of persecuting and prosecuting men for paying for the company of young adult women, but Western women get to celebrate their 'freedom' and 'equality with men' when they get their groove back with young adult men.
According to the article a "social arrangement" has been made. I know a girl who goes to jamaica for the same reason but refuses to admit what she is doing. She tells me these are friends of hers and she helps them out....meanwhile when a big hurricane struck kingston last year she was left alone in her hotel. I'm hoping that was a wake up call.
I think the whole situation with western culture is sad. Rich educated people with more than a pound of flour and a decent place to stay can't find love amongst themselves. It's depressing. With all the progress we've made we deny ourselves one of the most beautiful things in life...human contact. Our lives are too complicated.
I'm sure these women would be able to find the same thing in their own country. I for one would bone a big assed middle age women but then she wouldn't get the control of power with me.
We are such a complicated animal. I would love to hear the conversations that go on between male/female hookers in private.
Great read thanks.
According to the article a "social arrangement" has been made. I know a girl who goes to jamaica for the same reason but refuses to admit what she is doing. She tells me these are friends of hers and she helps them out....meanwhile when a big hurricane struck kingston last year she was left alone in her hotel. I'm hoping that was a wake up call.Alone in a hotel room when the hurricane struck. I do not think so. She was probably banging away. Paying for a day of his service and getting a few days in return. She was probably experiencing multiple bliss.
Tarius Shinobi
05-18-08, 01:13
When I travel to other countries & I see AW, or other "Western Women", I make it my mission not to acknowledge their presence. The last woman that I want to see abroad is westerner who thinks her shit does not stink!
I have mot dated an AW in years & it sure feels good!
Chocha Monger
05-18-08, 03:58
I do not see anything wrong with that. like the old saying" what is good for the goose is good for the gander".
It seems like the guys are getting a raw deal. I mean a shirt and dinner in return for barebacking a 64 yr old woman, DATY and BFE included?
Just read this article on CNN. Just another reason for the demise of American women. I think having her rot in prison is just too nice of a punishment for this AW. Killing her husband by pouring acid over him while he is alive is unreal. I think the proper punishment would be an old torture method by the Romans' by tieing each of her limbs to a different horse and have her quarter to death as the horses goes in different direction.
I have read that during the Crotian and Serbian wars those guys have some very crazy ways of killing their enemies, from killing them slowly by stabbing non vital organs to slowly roasting them to death. I vote she should die slowly and horribly as she has done to her husband. Going to prison without possibility of parole is just unjust for a crazy biatch like her.
FRESNO, California (AP) -- A biochemist was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole Friday for killing her estranged husband by knocking him out and stuffing him into a vat of acid, possibly while he was still alive.
Larissa Schuster was convicted in December of murdering Timothy Schuster with the special circumstance that the murder was committed for financial gain. At the time of his death in July 2003, the Schusters were in the middle of a divorce after nearly 20 years of marriage.
Just days after Timothy Schuster was reported missing, his half-dissolved remains -- intact from only the belt buckle down -- were found inside a 55-gallon barrel concealed in a storage unit his wife had rented.
Kristin Schuster, the couple's adult daughter, told the judge that she felt safer knowing her mother would be behind bars.
"I've been living for five years not knowing if I would have to worry for my own safety," she said. "In your quest to become a dominating power freak, you became your own demon. You have hurt me for so many years and probably smiled inside, but look who's smiling now."
At the sentencing hearing for the 47-year-old Schuster, the judge also rejected her attorney's motion for a new trial.
Prosecutors said Schuster and her former lab assistant, James Fagone, first immobilized Timothy Schuster with a stun gun and a chloroform-soaked rag. Then they bound his hands and feet, dumped his body headfirst into a barrel while he was still breathing and poured hydrochloric acid on him.
Fagone has already been sentenced to life in prison without parole for first-degree murder and burglary.
Chocha Monger
05-18-08, 04:54
Think about it. If a woman hits you up for child support, is it safe to assume that the next guy she hooks up with (who pretends to play "daddy" to your kid) is reaping the benefits?
If the other guy is living with her and not contributing any significant amount money to the household then, of course, he is reaping the benefits. This can work the other way around too. If the child's father isn't paying child support but the other guy pays the rent, utilities and groceries then Mr. Baby Daddy reaps the benefits and the other guy is a sucker. In cases where women land more child support than needed for the reasonable expenses of child rearing then it inevitably gets spent on the new man or blown on mom's shopping trips. For this reason there should be caps placed on child support rather than going on the gross percentage of a man's income. I seriously doubt that a 3 or 5 yr old child needs $100K/yr to live comfortably. This is nothing more than hidden alimony payments to the mother. Furthermore, it's worst than alimony because the payer can't deduct it from taxes and the payee doesn't have to declare it as income but usually claims a tax deduction based on the child being a dependent in addition to receiving tax-free child support payments. Fat child support checks are the ultimate tax-free retirement plans for American women if they can find the right man to impregnate them.
Member #2041
05-18-08, 15:14
Any guy who can keep his hard-on while boffing one of these old cows AND listening while she's talking, deserves all the money he can get for the effort.
I would love to hear the conversations that go on between male/female hookers in private.
This last comment is great! I thought about some of the times I've chatted afterwards. All I can say is.... honesty!
There is only time in your entire life that you'll ever heard a woman speak the 100% truth about sex, relationships and the like. That time is when you've just finished having sex with a pro, you've paid her and now you're having a little conversation afterwards.
I'll bet there's other guys around here who've noticed the same thing.
Rock
ps. Chocha..... this is a major reason why divorce rates are so high. The current legal situation makes divorce a financially attractive option for too many women. At the same time, it makes remarriage very UNattracive.
This guy Dick Masterson is the author of the book Men are Better than Women. Anyone on here ever heard of this guy before?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0xoKiH8JJM&eurl=http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/
This clip is from Dr. Phil a few months ago describing to the audience what it means to be a chauvinist. The look on the girls face in the audience when he tells her why he wouldn't date her is priceless.
This guy Dick Masterson is the author of the book Men are Better than Women. Anyone on here ever heard of this guy before?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0xoKiH8JJM&eurl=http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/
His real name is Dax Herrera, book author, comedian, podcast personality, pianist and software engineer (!)
Here he is selling his moustache on ebay a couple of years ago.
http://www.buymymoustache.com/
Dick Masterson is his Borat-type character, but it seems most people don't get the joke (yet). I'm sure Dr. Dill must have known it was an act. I think Dax on a financial winner.
It's a 3 minute video but it's worth it to see the look on her face.
Do you think when she got home she decided to exercise and eat healthy or just swallow a large serving of ice cream?
CBGBConnisur
05-21-08, 15:22
He was definitely telling the truth.
Anyone man stupid enough to marry this crazy ass woman money needs to get their head examined...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38X1YMpOjwQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u9Uv7uQ3hs&feature=related
DJ FourMoney
05-21-08, 22:45
Anyone man stupid enough to marry this crazy ass woman money needs to get their head examined...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38X1YMpOjwQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u9Uv7uQ3hs&feature=related
Fully 2/3rds of the men even considering marriage at all need their head examined.
Clearly marriage is for sane people only...
However the comments on the first video are a bit over the top and show you the immature nature of Americans as a whole. Name calling is way too easy an outlet and shows you can not express yourself without resorting to tactics of a 6 year old.
<--- This post coming from a man who didn't completely finish HIGH SCHOOL
Latin Bound
05-22-08, 05:11
Fully 2/3rds of the men even considering marriage at all need their head examined.
Clearly marriage is for sane people only...
However the comments on the first video are a bit over the top and show you the immature nature of Americans as a whole. Name calling is way too easy an outlet and shows you can not express yourself without resorting to tactics of a 6 year old.
<--- This post coming from a man who didn't completely finish HIGH SCHOOLDid her accent sound american to you?
Goooollld DIGGER!
That's what this money grubbing biatch is. She basically admits it herself when she mentions as how her soon-to-be ex is 25 years older than she is. Also, she says he's go something like 60 million bucks with condos in Florida and New York.
It sounds like the whole thing got started when she suggested to him that things should be structured so that she'd get her half Million/yr "pension" no matter what happened. She pisses and moans about a pre-nup, so the guy couldn't have been a total idiot.
I'm sure there's lot's of men out there regarding this greedy **** with loathing. At the same time, I'm just as sure there's a bunch of AW's out there thinking "you go girl".
Personally I hope she ends up going back home where she came from with her tail between her legs....... pun most definitely intended!
BTW, that's a fairly high-class London accent ..... or at least that's how it sounds to me. I'd bet her family ain't exactly hurtin for $$$.
Rock
Chocha Monger
05-23-08, 04:23
It seems like the YouTube gold digger is really psycho too. She does her "cards" every morning to figure out how things are going to turn out. Her face has a permanent expression of surprise. Too much botox? She admitted to never having had sex with her husband who is 25 yrs older than her. Its pretty obvious why she married the old geezer but she tries to play it off by saying that she has a "daddy complex". Well I agree that she has a sugar daddy complex. She's pissed off that she has to abide by the rules of the pre-nup or no half a million yearly pension. It seems like she wanted to change the conditions agree to in the pre-nup so that she could cash out early regardless of what she did. The old geezer wasn't screwing her crazy ass and she wanted to fuck around on him so she wanted to make sure that the money would be direct deposited into her account. What a skank!
DJ FourMoney
05-24-08, 00:24
Did her accent sound american to you?
Actually I didn't, it sounds like she's from Down Under or another part of Britain actually.
Money grubin biatch? More than likely....
Alone in a hotel room when the hurricane struck. I do not think so. She was probably banging away. Paying for a day of his service and getting a few days in return. She was probably experiencing multiple bliss.
American men and women traveling overseas for sex with foreigners anyone other then me sees the irony in that?
Neon Noodle
05-24-08, 20:45
I usually just lurk here at ISG. But what happened to a co-worker just made me angry and decided to post this.
He basically quit his job one day without giving 2 weeks notice all because his new wife told him to. She said he should have realized that her and her 3 kids from a previous marriage cost money. Now granted he hasn't had a raise in 2+years now and also worked a second job, so yeah it might have been wise to move on. But I heard this from his wife's mouth.
The father of the kids only provides medical, and my former co-worker has to pay the rest. She only has simple cashier job and relies on him to do the rest, and they live well beyond their means too. Plus she not attractive at all but neither is he.
She is another reason I am turned off American women. My choice is never to marry a woman like that. My filipina gf is nothing like that in attitude.
I usually just lurk here at ISG. But what happened to a co-worker just made me angry and decided to post this.
He basically quit his job one day without giving 2 weeks notice all because his new wife told him to. She said he should have realized that her and her 3 kids from a previous marriage cost money. Now granted he hasn't had a raise in 2+years now and also worked a second job, so yeah it might have been wise to move on. But I heard this from his wife's mouth.....My filipina gf is nothing like that in attitude.
Ex-American wife asked me to walk from my high paying government job and come live in one of the most expensive places in America with no plan. I had already let a very coveted law enforcement position go because of her.
I been with A filipina raised in Japan last two years bruh. She rushes out of bed in the morning to cook she cleans like vacuum I tell her to chill she says I want my man stomach full and I want you to have a clean house. What the fuck can I say?
American men and women traveling overseas for sex with foreigners anyone other then me sees the irony in that?
Any man who has dealt with AWs does NOT see the irony you speak of. I can understand how Europeans or Asians living in Europe or in Asia and do not have to deal with AWs could see irony.
The fact of the matter is that more and more men in the US are finding it more worthwhile to kick AWs to the curb and seek out foreign women. At the same time, more and more US women have higher incomes and the means to seek out men, beyond US shores, who will put up with their crap - for pay, for a little while.
DJ FourMoney
05-27-08, 03:38
I found this in my email box from a site I use (not often) for interracial dating, any who read this -
Like so many of my articles, the inspiration for this one came from a conversation with my best friend. The other day after work he and I were sitting around talking and he made a comment about a new girl at his job. He said: "I'm beginning to not like her - it's no wonder she's 37 and never been married".
Of course, my first reaction is to jump to my sisters' defense and say "maybe she doesn't want to be married. That's not every woman's goal in life you know?" He proceeds to tell me that no, she wants a man and she wants one bad. You can tell by how she carries herself, how she talks to their male co-workers versus the body language used with female co-workers. It's the tone of her voice and the way she gives a certain look or scent if we were in the wild I suppose.
Okay, maybe she is looking, why you think she's still single, I ask. He tells me the following story. Apparently, while at work there was a group of guys, (she was the only female). They were having a discussion about another co-worker that happens to be married. This guy just purchased a car and made a comment about how his children are not allowed in this particular vehicle. He explained that the family had two other modes of transportation, but that this one "his baby", was off limits to the children because, well, they are kids and if you've got them you probably understand.
Well, according to my friend, she went off on a tirade about how wrong that was, and if "she was his wife", she would take the car while he was at work and put the kids in it and just drive around for the hell of it. I thought that it was funny. My buddy thought that it was silly, childish and the very reason that so many women can't find and keep a man. Huh? His explanation went further in detail on how a lot of women (his words), think that when you get into a relationship you have to share everything like your bed, food, thoughts, friends and oxygen. Okay, I added the last one there. But I totally got it.
Sometimes when people fall crazy in love, they want to consume themselves with everything about the other person. Notice that I said "people" because; trust me when I tell you that women are not the only ones that do this. Anyone know the ratio of male verses female stalkers?
Anyway, his point is that men need to have some space and independence, some things that are theirs and theirs alone. They need a man room, a hobby, a friend that they don't have to share- something. See, I get it. Because women need the same thing... We just don't ***** and moan as loudly about it. We do ***** and moan, about other things though. In all fairness, guys don't really ***** or moan or even talk about it. They sulk, get quiet or pick fights as an excuse to get away, instead of just communicating what they need in a way that doesn't say... "Look ***** you're driving me crazy" - and saying I need some me time sounds too girlie, I suppose.
So, who knows why the 37 year old woman isn't married. Maybe she doesn't want to settle for a guy that's not willing to give up everything for her as she is for him. Perhaps she's coming across as to needy and unwilling to bend or change - to set in her ways. Or maybe my friend can print out this article, slip it on her desk and she can tell him herself. It could be that she just hasn't found our site and explored all of her options in the world of dating interracially.
I think the last paragraph nails it.
She may be limiting herself (most women do) and the rest of it is most likely true.
Here's a comment left by a woman, you saw this coming didn't you -
What am I missing here? Is it just me, or does anyone else find it asinine that this woman is considered a ***** and not worthy of marrying because she disagrees with a coworker who doesn’t allow his children to ride in his car. Since when does defending the interest of a coworkers children, a coworker who may or may not be guilty of putting his “wants and needs” ahead of his children-- since when does that constitute her being anything other than a woman who will put her children ahead of a mans “toys”? And KennyG’s comments have me thoroughly puzzled with the story of his ex girlfriend. There’s nothing in this scenario that leads me to believe that the woman who had never married had been involved with married men. There is any number of reasons that this woman is not married. It’s even possible that she has refrained from marrying little boys who find it so easy to toss around the word “*****” like it’s a term of endearment. Quite possibly, she has been holding out for a “man” of substance.
How come you just know what an American woman would say before she even says it????
Chocha Monger
05-27-08, 05:42
The woman described in the article belongs to a certain class of women who believe that a husband’s sole purpose for existence is to fulfill the needs and whims of his wife and any children that she may have. The husband doesn’t have a right to privacy, personal space, personal property, exclusive friends, individual hobbies, or goals and aspirations that don’t involve his wife’s wants. Ironically, if a man were to have the same attitude towards a woman he would be seen as oppressive, controlling and even abusive perhaps. There is a good reason why these women can’t marry, most men clear out really fast once they realize what is in store for them. Such a woman isn’t content with a man’s heart. They want your soul too. These vampires will suck you dry emotionally, mentally and financially leaving behind nothing but the shell of a man, a mere shadow of who you once were.
An old man once told me, “If you see a beautiful woman well into her reproductive years and she isn’t married there is usually a good reason for that. Don’t think that other men decided to leave a wonderful woman all alone just so that you could have her.”
Honestly, I thought that the old man was a crackpot at the time he told me this because I was just a boy. Years later and schooled in the ways of the world I realize the wisdom of his words. Other men have eyes too and women worth having are like gold, you’re not likely to find them unattended and unspoken for if they’ve been around for any length of time.
DJ FourMoney
05-27-08, 22:22
The woman described in the article belongs to a certain class of women who believe that a husband’s sole purpose for existence is to fulfill the needs and whims of his wife and any children that she may have. The husband doesn’t have a right to privacy, personal space, personal property, exclusive friends, individual hobbies, or goals and aspirations that don’t involve his wife’s wants. Ironically, if a man were to have the same attitude towards a woman he would be seen as oppressive, controlling and even abusive perhaps. There is a good reason why these women can’t marry, most men clear out really fast once they realize what is in store for them. Such a woman isn’t content with a man’s heart. They want your soul too. These vampires will suck you dry emotionally, mentally and financially leaving behind nothing but the shell of a man, a mere shadow of who you once were.
An old man once told me, “If you see a beautiful woman well into her reproductive years and she isn’t married there is usually a good reason for that. Don’t think that other men decided to leave a wonderful woman all alone just so that you could have her.”
Honestly, I thought that the old man was a crackpot at the time he told me this because I was just a boy. Years later and schooled in the ways of the world I realize the wisdom of his words. Other men have eyes too and women worth having are like gold, you’re not likely to find them unattended and unspoken for if they’ve been around for any length of time.
Though somewhat based on Old School thinking, I think it rings more truer than every today.
Tarius Shinobi
05-27-08, 22:37
Gentlemen,
A great film about classy (Not) American women is coming out on the big screen this week: Sex & The City.
This movie will chronicle four women, who are very shallow. Many AW will flock to this film and support the so-called "Girl Power"!
In all it's fairness, I should tell it like it is: AW suck! This movie will suck!
Why do I date foreign women? Because many of them like to suck!
I still say that most American women are more independant then those overseas and can pull their own weight. Some guys like Financial dependant women which that seems to be all I encounter overseas...Of course if they need your money they will be nice to you simple math...
Anyway my two....
Chocha Monger
05-28-08, 04:41
I still say that most American women are more independant then those overseas and can pull their own weight. Some guys like Financial dependant women which that seems to be all I encounter overseas...Of course if they need your money they will be nice to you simple math...
Anyway my two....
D Etat, of course North American and Western European women are more independent in general than women in many other parts of the world because they have more opportunities to earn their own money. Given that fact, why are we picking up the tab for dinner, drinks and entertainment when dating American women? I find this disturbing. If a woman is truly independent and pulls her own weight she shouldn’t be expecting a man to pay her way, especially when they’re just getting to know each other. American women are usually able to pull their own weight but they seldom want to. For men who date upper and upper middle class women opinions may differ. Furthermore, I’d venture to say that Swedish women are far more independent than most American women. In Sweden a man isn’t expected to pay for a woman’s meals and drinks on a date.
I’ve never met a woman that liked a broke man, be it in the US or elsewhere. They always seem to need your money or want your money. At least the foreigners are nicer when they take your money and are less likely to act like it is their right to do so because they were born with a pussy.
I really don’t know why guys would like financially dependent women. Most men don’t like the idea of leeches. Some guys are traditionalists and like the idea of a stay-at-home wife. Personally, I don’t want anyone to stick around just because they need my financial support. If they have the option to leave at least I could be reasonably sure of their affections.
Some foreign women have a lot of ambition and show incredible entrepreneurial spirit once they get a little money. I’m sure that there are foreign women out there that stick with men even when they don’t need their money. Many educated professional immigrant women remain with their older unattractive lower middle class husbands in the US even when they can easily trade up.
D Etat, of course North American and Western European women are more independent in general than women in many other parts of the world because they have more opportunities to earn their own money. Given that fact, why are we picking up the tab for dinner, drinks and entertainment when dating American women? I find this disturbing. If a woman is truly independent and pulls her own weight she shouldn’t be expecting a man to pay her way, especially when they’re just getting to know each other. American women are usually able to pull their own weight but they seldom want to. For men who date upper and upper middle class women opinions may differ. Furthermore, I’d venture to say that Swedish women are far more independent than most American women. In Sweden a man isn’t expected to pay for a woman’s meals and drinks on a date.
I’ve never met a woman that liked a broke man, be it in the US or elsewhere. They always seem to need your money or want your money. At least the foreigners are nicer when they take your money and are less likely to act like it is their right to do so because they were born with a pussy.
I really don’t know why guys would like financially dependent women. Most men don’t like the idea of leeches. Some guys are traditionalists and like the idea of a stay-at-home wife. Personally, I don’t want anyone to stick around just because they need my financial support. If they have the option to leave at least I could be reasonably sure of their affections.
Some foreign women have a lot of ambition and show incredible entrepreneurial spirit once they get a little money. I’m sure that there are foreign women out there that stick with men even when they don’t need their money. Many educated professional immigrant women remain with their older unattractive lower middle class husbands in the US even when they can easily trade up.
Women are the same the world over the only thing that seperates them is those who have and those who have not....I lived in Japan and South Korea worked in Dubai, where hordes of independent women lived and they could be just as vindictive as their American sisters. Like I said the real problem most guys have with American women I think is their non-compliance...Guys love places like Thailand because A girl will screw them for 1000 baht...
Chocha Monger
05-28-08, 13:17
Well, I guess one can say that women are inherently evil and their treatment of men depends largely on how much they need from them. In that case it would be in a man’s interest to live in a country where he is needed if he wants to be treated nicely by women. In America a man’s perceived value is low hence there is no reason for women to be nice to him unless he is a millionaire or famous. On that note, why do you think that American women are such attention wh*res?
Well, I guess one can say that women are inherently evil and their treatment of men depends largely on how much they need from them. In that case it would be in a man’s interest to live in a country where he is needed if he wants to be treated nicely by women. In America a man’s perceived value is low hence there is no reason for women to be nice to him unless he is a millionaire or famous. On that note, why do you think that American women are such attention wh*res?
I don't like to compliment men... but you are poetry in motion. Attention *****s huh? Most I have dated and married do kind of scream "Look At Meeee." Low self-esteem? People who are hurting inside always want attention.
I still say that most American women are more independant then those overseas and can pull their own weight. Some guys like Financial dependant women which that seems to be all I encounter overseas...Of course if they need your money they will be nice to you simple math...
Anyway my two....
You are correct about AWs, but I feel you are WAY off base about foreign women and regarding "pulling one's own weight". One can contribute to a relationship in ways that are NOT financial. That said, I wager that you have never been in a serious relationship with a Latin or Asian woman.
I have many friends who are married to Colombian women. I seriously dated a Colombiana for over a year. What these women contribute in terms of cooking, cleaning, and keeping house I feel FAR outweighs what most non-professional women, and maybe some professional women, can earn and bring into the household. As one guy told me when his then fiancee (now wife) arrived in the US for a visit; there is clean and then there is 'Latina clean'. He said he cleaned up his house from top to bottom to make a good impression. His wife re-cleaned it from inside out. She found dirt that he didn't know existed. All he could say was 'Daaayyyyuummmm!'
I have no problem financially supporting a woman who keeps our home like that!
Also, do you prefer tasty home cooked meals or frozen dinners?
I agree with everything that Chocha Monger and George90 has to say. Foreign women are just something else - nothing compared to AW. Although, in all fairness, you do find a lot of women abroad with the AW mentality / syndrome (unfortunately, McDonald's hasn't been the only thing that globalization has taken elsewhere......) but it still doesn't compare with what you find here in pussy prison USA. And also, for the most part, those women
you meet abroad who have such "princess complexes" tend to be those who have either traveled to or have lived in (for x amount of time) in the U.S. and/or other rich countries. But for the most part, fortunately for us, they tend to be in the minority of numbers.
Before, I used to feel like a big loser for not being able to land an AW or an Americanized woman (which more often than not, turn out to be the same - in some instances, they even outdo AW themselves). But now, I am as content as I can be with my novia in Colombia. Sure, long distance relationships are not necessarily the best ones, but I don't mind saving my hard-earned $$ (money that I would be otherwise throwing away trying to date AW/Americanized women) with the hopes of returning to see and be with her as soon as possible. Hell, I have even considered the idea of living abroad altogether.
What do you fellas think? Would you be able to live abroad, even with very little $$$ but being in a position where coming around to women is not such an impossible thing to do?
Would you give up (at least temporarily) the pursuit of materialistic possessions in chase of the American Dream to be elsewhere with perhaps (but hopefully not) little money and/or materialistic wealth?
Would you be willing and/or able to trade one thing for another?
Could having things be more important than being able to have women (and beautiful ones, to punt) who actually value you for who you are?
And also, in a way, even if you were to be a man of means, why would you want to risk spoiling things abroad for the rest of us by throwing your $$$ around? Maybe living overseas with enough to get by in terms of everything (action, fun, love, etc...) would not be such a bad idea - especially since it would allow you to more truthfully know who really means it when they say to you "te quiero mucho, papi".
Just my two-cents worth. Peace out!!!!!
Here's the link for those of you who could stomach enough to read:
http://lifestyle.msn.com/beautyandfashion/cosmosexandthecity/articlecosmo.aspx?cp-documentid=7410497>1=32001
You are correct about AWs, but I feel you are WAY off base about foreign women and regarding "pulling one's own weight". One can contribute to a relationship in ways that are NOT financial. That said, I wager that you have never been in a serious relationship with a Latin or Asian woman.
I have many friends who are married to Colombian women. I seriously dated a Colombiana for over a year. What these women contribute in terms of cooking, cleaning, and keeping house I feel FAR outweighs what most non-professional women, and maybe some professional women, can earn and bring into the household. As one guy told me when his then fiancee (now wife) arrived in the US for a visit; there is clean and then there is 'Latina clean'. He said he cleaned up his house from top to bottom to make a good impression. His wife re-cleaned it from inside out. She found dirt that he didn't know existed. All he could say was 'Daaayyyyuummmm!'
I have no problem financially supporting a woman who keeps our home like that!
Also, do you prefer tasty home cooked meals or frozen dinners?
I been dating a Japanese-Filipina last two years mayne and known her for four. She is everything what you just described above she was working when I met her I told her to chill on the work as I earn enough....She was reluctant but gave in...
Bango Cheito
05-30-08, 06:11
Gee, guys, I'm going down to Bogota to live with my love in a couple months but guess what, I'm cooking and cleaning too. And she's not quitting her job either, that would be the LAST thing I want for all the money-earning to have to be on me.
I don't have a problem with traditional relationships where the woman stays at home and doesn't work, but I do question how many women would really want to live like that. I know a buttload of Colombian women real well and I can't honestly say that even ONE of them would be content with such a situation, unless you're talking the 50+ crowd.
Gee, guys, I'm going down to Bogota to live with my love in a couple months but guess what, I'm cooking and cleaning too. And she's not quitting her job either, that would be the LAST thing I want for all the money-earning to have to be on me.
I don't have a problem with traditional relationships where the woman stays at home and doesn't work, but I do question how many women would really want to live like that. I know a buttload of Colombian women real well and I can't honestly say that even ONE of them would be content with such a situation, unless you're talking the 50+ crowd.Bango I live in PI where a dream wage is $500 USD monthly. When we was in Japan my girl worked two jobs but after relocating to PI I am sorry I just can't have her busting her ass for that pay. I wipe my ass with $500.
Tarius Shinobi
05-31-08, 03:35
Gentlemen, check out this link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVCyLz88Zc
It tells you all you need to know!
DJ FourMoney
05-31-08, 07:17
Its simple really....
Just like everything in America has been turned upside down in the last 30 years, relationships between men and women in America have not escaped that turnover either.
Western European women are STILL better than American women, find a guy that has married a Britain, German, Scandinavian, Italian, French or Spanish woman and says they want to trade her in on an American model, you won't find many takers...
Same goes for Eastern Europeans, South Americans, Central Americans and Asians.
There minds are not poluted with poison Western thinking. Sure they enjoy our music and tv shows, they have entertainment value world-wide. Many think American women are NUTS and seldom do they ask WHY your having difficultity finding a good woman in the US.
You can have as much success in the US as you care to have if you have set yourself up correctly.
I think its (US) a land of dimensioning returns after age 30. That means if you want to get a woman here at her best, mid 20's is where you start. Usually educated and some what mature enough to handle an "adult" relationship.
My ex from years gone by; she worked a decent job, could type 120 WPM and was Dyslexic. She had finished 1 1/2 years of Jr College when we met, she was only 19.
I was 25 at the time.
I don't believe it was a case of being too picky. She had a weight problem when we met, at first I was desperate to even have a long term girlfriend, so I rolled with it.
She later lost about 80% of that weight
Otherwise she squrited for guys into that kind of thing (I am!), she worked, came home, cooked, washed dishes (never let them build up) and watched TV while I fooled around on the PC, never complained about that (not too often anyway)
She's Caucasian and had been exposed to Interracial dating by her sister, he mother was a stay at home mom and pop was a retired long distance truck driver.
She thought that's what a woman in a long term relationship did, work and keep house, but I had to do my part, I wasn't taking advantage of her in that way.
But I was never totally over the moon about her, so after 2.5 years I let her go.
That was 1999
Since the start of the 21st Century it has been a challenge, I found myself single at 27 and thought hey I could reallyd make an impact. 9 years later and I am not better off, struggled to date locally, turned to the net once more, continued to struggle with -
White Trash from Western Colo; by 22 she had 4 kids... I met her she was 18!
A Sow from San Diego
A girl I met BLINDLY through some phone hookup line, still turns out to be the HOTTEST chick I have ever dated. However I wasn't ready to date her or do anything with her long term, I was between jobs and DJing mostly, staying up late, sleeping all day, you know the drill.
Its about that time I had re-discovered women abroad...
That was 6 years ago...
It really looks like I am coming to the end, the conclusion of seeking out a long term commitment.
My last hope I believe lies in Eastern Europe, still largely "undiscovered country" for Black American Men.
That's not to say I can't find what I want in places like Germany, but Western influances have a negative impact on your dating pool past 35. I seek fresh, unused and fairly mature, that means mid 20's and that for the most part isn't going to happen in Western Europe.
So at this point I can't take American women seriously, I can't waste the time or the money!
Its easier to find a woman overseas that wants a traditional role in a relationship with a modern twist.
Yeah D Etat I hear you on wages, Eastern Europeans usally get shitty wages here in America even with college educations...
Chocha Monger
05-31-08, 07:47
DJ,
You can forget about getting twenty-something pussy if you're 30+ in America. Women here usually have +/- 3 yrs limit unless you want to play Sugar Daddy to some poor lower class woman. Women close to your age would likely have children and/or be cast-offs from previous troubled relationships and not what you'd want to settle for. If you import a younger wife be prepared to deal with name calling and meddling from AW with nothing better to do than interfere in other people's lives.
Speaking of the Gestapo, I recently saw a disgusting sexist TV ad showing a man with his daughter being observed by a nosey old AW. It closes with a caption urging viewers to report suspected child abuse even if they have doubts. Yet still, they wonder why men aren't crazy about spending time with kids? How about showing one of those attractive perverted female teachers with a young boy being asked to stay behind after class? Portraying men as animals in this country seems to be quite acceptable because no one objects.
DJ FourMoney
05-31-08, 10:10
DJ,
You can forget about getting twenty-something pussy if you're 30+ in America. Women here usually have +/- 3 yrs limit unless you want to play Sugar Daddy to some poor lower class woman. Women close to your age would likely have children and/or be cast-offs from previous troubled relationships and not what you'd want to settle for. If you import a younger wife be prepared to deal with name calling and meddling from AW with nothing better to do than interfere in other people's lives.
Speaking of the Gestapo, I recently saw a disgusting sexist TV ad showing a man with his daughter being observed by a nosey old AW. It closes with a caption urging viewers to report suspected child abuse even if they have doubts. Yet still, they wonder why men aren't crazy about spending time with kids? How about showing one of those attractive perverted female teachers with a young boy being asked to stay behind after class? Portraying men as animals in this country seems to be quite acceptable because no one objects.
CM -
Quite true and then they can print targets around Obama, Huckelberry can make of color remarks at an NRA meeting of all things, assuming a chair being knocked over is akin to Obama ducking for cover to avoid snipper fire and the final bit was Clinton trying to link her staying in a race she'll loose with RFK's federal killing (yep!) and the joke that was the '68 convertion, code for Obama could have another Rev Wright episode (which he said nothing wrong and continues to say nothing wrong) or somebody will try and take him out (hence the target being printed on the front page of a national newspaper).
Yeah a man's life in America is not nearly as valuable as a woman's it seems these days, if comments were made about Clinton being bumped off because she's a woman, you would never hear the end of it.
I do find some value in almost over the hill AW (early to mid 30s) but I can use that as a "safety" valve whenever; I feel, there's always going to be some 30 something woman that was cheated on by her man or whatever the case is and is looking for another chance at love and sees their chances shrink with each passing year as well.
Locking down a mid 20 something at my age (37) is next to impossible but so is winning the lottery, some people do actually win...
My best bet would be Mid-West/Small Town America for something like that however. I think you can expand the acceptable age gap from 3 +/- to about 5-7 -/+ as many "experts" claim I should be looking from 28-40 as you move further away from the 6-7 largest cities in America.
There is a Swedish girl I talk too off and on that's only 23 and has already traveled around the world, I believe she's in Africa lending aid.
But she's a rarity, most women interested in me in Western Europe have been in their late 20's to mid 30's.
The one Russian girl (make that two) are under 25, though one of them is interested in a friend of mine and the one I have been talking too for almost a year wants to keep expectations down as to not disappoint herself or me I guess.
I know there some women interested in Brothas in EE, I just think it will take some serious ground work to track them down as the usual "Mail Order" sites I don't think will work...
Cheap Meat
05-31-08, 12:30
DJ,
You can forget about getting twenty-something pussy if you're 30+ in America. Women here usually have +/- 3 yrs limit unless you want to play Sugar Daddy to some poor lower class woman. Women close to your age would likely have children and/or be cast-offs from previous troubled relationships and not what you'd want to settle for. If you import a younger wife be prepared to deal with name calling and meddling from AW with nothing better to do than interfere in other people's lives.
That's odd. I can't even get a 40 year old bbw here to look at me and I'm 27! So much for your 'theories'.
Wanderer1000
06-01-08, 21:14
There is an old book (written in the early 90's I think) by R. Don Steele (of Steel Balls Press). You can get it on Amazon for as low as $7.00. If you're willing to do the work (and he was 46 when he wrote it), you can have short and long term flings with chicks in their early 20's.
It was a good book, and the general reviews on Amazon would concur with my opinion. But, a lot of time, energy, and money goes into working his advice. He shows how to do it without being the sugar daddy in her mind, and actually have her get emotionally involved.
How to Date Younger Women: For Men Over 35 -- that's the title.
DJ FourMoney
06-02-08, 08:39
There is an old book (written in the early 90's I think) by R. Don Steele (of Steel Balls Press). You can get it on Amazon for as low as $7.00. If you're willing to do the work (and he was 46 when he wrote it), you can have short and long term flings with chicks in their early 20's.
It was a good book, and the general reviews on Amazon would concur with my opinion. But, a lot of time, energy, and money goes into working his advice. He shows how to do it without being the sugar daddy in her mind, and actually have her get emotionally involved.
How to Date Younger Women: For Men Over 35 -- that's the title.
Might be worth reading, not sure how much of a use it would be however.
Young woman just don't like to date men older than 3-4 years in Western Culture.
1) They think your too serious and boring
2) They couldn't imagine popping out a child (usually if they are around 22-23)
3) They fear being locked into a relationship they can't get out of
Rich men if your older are favored because -
1) Money equals "Excitement" and "Access" in the minds of many women
2) Busy broadmembers and managers of companies travel alot, at the office late and are less demanding of personal time. More time for young women to go out drinking (heavily) , spark up a doobie and do other stupid shiet
3) If your into your 40's its likely you will not wanna get married, so there is no pressure for her and the fear of being locked down never materializes...
If your Joe Average, good luck! No matter how much knowledge you're armed with you'll be spending many hours and many dollars trying to nail that girl under 25.
Even girls young but not so cute/smart are stupid, its hopeless.
Its simple really....
Just like everything in America has been turned upside down in the last 30 years, relationships between men and women in America have not escaped that turnover either.
Western European women are STILL better than American women, find a guy that has married a Britain, German, Scandinavian, Italian, French or Spanish woman and says they want to trade her in on an American model, you won't find many takers......
Man are you looking to get married if so why?
DJ FourMoney
06-02-08, 12:39
Man are you looking to get married if so why?
Is there a problem with that? lol
Yes I am, does it dominate my life, no
Don't have to get married I suppose, in California more than one year together, she's your "common law" wife anyway.
A few of my friends and co-workers are married and only a handful are actually happy. The rest dump on me and wish they could get out but have children.
The one thing they have in common - They are married to American women...
I am coming to the conclusion that marrage might not be the answer. But I've never been good at being single. If I ignore women, I can go years between dates and just as long between sexual encounters.
Its only been recently that I thought that I shouldn't go without and seek services, only to find out American providers are usually just as much of a crap shoot as dating most women only to come up empty after a few days.
Money out of pocket, no ass or Money out of pocket, shitty service.
I went to Germany; where an American provider I once visted near LV wanted $1000 for overnight and I spent roughly $600US between FKK's and Redlight District in Frankfurt and was actually tired of fucking by the time I got back to LA.
In fact I spent about $1,000 total if you count flying to Kiev to bang a freebie, though it wasn't worth it in the long run.
As of May 29th, its been ONE year since I went to Europe and I haven't had sex SINCE I left, that's how BAD I can make it. I simply don't care, I don't give a fuck, I don't wanna date American women. About a month ago, some girl hit me up on Plenty of Fish and we had lunch. I don't know but I'm really not that interested.
Its not even that I seek perfection, why should I? I'm not Adonis or Taye Diggs....
I can pull up to "8" on the classic scale but I'll take "7" or even "6" if her body is off the chain.
I want to have children and NO I don't wanna adopt; at least not without having at least ONE blood child first.
In my book you need to be at least in an LTR before you even consider children, if you're already together, why not get married, just makes it offical.
Was that answer too long???
Latin Bound
06-02-08, 15:08
One more on the subject of marriage.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080602/lf_nm_life/books_bachelors_dc
MeLuvULongTime
06-02-08, 15:51
Don't have to get married I suppose, in California more than one year together, she's your "common law" wife anyway.
Just to let you California mongers relax, there is no "common law" marriage in California no matter how long you live with a woman. It was abolished decades ago. Meluvulongtime. P.S. I am an attorney.
Is there a problem with that? lol
Yes I am, does it dominate my life, no
Don't have to get married I suppose, in California more than one year together, she's your "common law" wife anyway.
A few of my friends and co-workers are married and only a handful are actually happy. The rest dump on me and wish they could get out but have children.
The one thing they have in common - They are married to American women...
Was that answer too long???
Nah no problems mayne... your answer was on point as usual and I am just asking because on this thread a lot of you guys seem to be against marriage. Maybe just marriage to an American lady. I been there and done that already and frankly I am in no hurry to have a repeat. I been in a LTR for the last two years and its been great but my girl is Asian (From Asia) but I fear I must leave PI sooner then later as living her and trying to be faithful is like trying to stay warm in the arctic....anyway man go for what you know also when guys reach a certain age I think they start looking to settle down. Me I in my late 20s so I still just enjoying this ride...
My thoughts on marriage is that overall its just not a good deal. If you love someone or want to be with them a piece of paper is not going change that. What that paper will do though is financially and legally bound you that person and when she turns from a Stepford wife into a mean version of Rosie O'donnel then you go through $1000 worth of hell to get away from her. Speaking from experience playboy....
DJ FourMoney
06-03-08, 08:17
Don't have to get married I suppose, in California more than one year together, she's your "common law" wife anyway.
Just to let you California mongers relax, there is no "common law" marriage in California no matter how long you live with a woman. It was abolished decades ago. Meluvulongtime. P.S. I am an attorney.
Decades? I seem to remember some court ruling not too long ago, maybe 10 years ago, but decades? I dunno, since you are an attorney I'll take your word for it -:)
DJ FourMoney
06-03-08, 08:33
Nah no problems mayne... your answer was on point as usual and I am just asking because on this thread a lot of you guys seem to be against marriage. Maybe just marriage to an American lady. I been there and done that already and frankly I am in no hurry to have a repeat. I been in a LTR for the last two years and its been great but my girl is Asian (From Asia) but I fear I must leave PI sooner then later as living her and trying to be faithful is like trying to stay warm in the arctic....anyway man go for what you know also when guys reach a certain age I think they start looking to settle down. Me I in my late 20s so I still just enjoying this ride...
My thoughts on marriage is that overall its just not a good deal. If you love someone or want to be with them a piece of paper is not going change that. What that paper will do though is financially and legally bound you that person and when she turns from a Stepford wife into a mean version of Rosie O'donnel then you go through $1000 worth of hell to get away from her. Speaking from experience playboy....
I would prefer to be single than linked up to some horror show. My ex would have been ideal actually, I was just tired of looking at her really, cute but not eye candy and I feel I can get a little bit of eye candy and that's not too much to ask IMHO.
My advice is IF your going to get married, make sure the girl is sprung on you bad.
My ex was sprung pretty bad, I did my fair share of fucking up, though never offically cheating on her, I did get caught speaking online with somebody else and got caught being on AOL when I said I would cancel my account...
She never slept in another room, never threathen to kill me or throw things at me. She would be mad for about 24 hours and I would be fucking her the next day...
She was content, maybe felt I spent too much time online but other than that, we went places when money allowed, visited her parents every other month in Arizona and generally I rate it a A- as far as relationships go and I hardly had to put any thought into what I was doing. I had freedom to chill with the boys, I could fairly come and go when I wanted too, within reason, its was almost ideal.
Now if I can find somebody slightly better looking with more sex appeal with all the same mental features my ex had, that would be the woman I would marry.
I found better looking and worst looking women since, but I don't regret letting her go, it will just take a better effort from me to dig deeper. I ulimately feel overseas will get me closer to what I want, than wading through American women or even Westernized EE women already in Los Angeles (already been down that route..).
MeLuvULongTime
06-03-08, 16:27
Decades? I seem to remember some court ruling not too long ago, maybe 10 years ago, but decades? I dunno, since you are an attorney I'll take your word for it -:)Your are right about a case a decade ago. I have not looked it up, but I think it involved a "palimony" contract. There was signed contract re: support. I think the case involved that great actor Lee Marvin. But strictly speaking there is no common law marriage in Cali. I am not a divorce attorney, but to my limited knowledge (just enough to pass the bar there are 3 ways to get into trouble: 1) sign a contract with your live in girlfriend re: support or property, 2) move to California from a state that does have common law marriage (California must respect laws of other states), and 3) Lying to creditors claiming you are married, if so they can come after you for her debts, and after her for your debts. Yikes. Meluvulongtime
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Tarius Shinobi
06-03-08, 20:20
I was in Los Angeles recently visiting a friend of mine. Some good looking Black women were there, and one of them was checking me out. I noticed her doing it, but I ignored her. My friend later brought it to my attention that she was interested. I said to him " If she wants to talk to me , she can approach me her self". She finally did. During the course of our conversation, she asked me the "Frequently asked questions":
1.Are you/Have you ever been married ?
2. Do you have any kids ?
3. (The most asked question by an AW) What do you do ?
I answered the first 2 with a simple "No".
The 3rd, I told her I was retired military.
She then told me her sob story about her failed marriage, how lonely she was, Boo,hoo,hoo !
That night she folowed me to my hotel, we fucked ! no big deal.
The next morning, she tried to drop a bomb: She said that due to her busy work schedule, If I wanted to see her again I would have to make an appointment at least a week in advance!
I said " Future hook ups will not happen, because toll calls from Asia where I live 5 to 6 months out of the year are expensive". And I don't date AW anyway!, but I will have sex with them!" She then said, "You are the friend I was told about, who travels around Asia, and has lots of girlfriends"
I said "Yep", you can go now, I have a plane to catch in 4 hours!
I would prefer to be single than linked up to some horror show.
Funny you should mention that, there was a study that was published just a couple days ago that pretty much said that exact same thing, check it out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080602/lf_nm_life/books_bachelors_dc_2
Personally, the only reason I think anyone should get married is to start a family. If you are not going to have children, what is the point of a marriage? I really don't understand childless, married couples. Maybe they get married to file their taxes jointly? Or to qualify for each others health insurance plans? Those are the only reasons I can think of.
DJ FourMoney
06-04-08, 07:21
Funny you should mention that, there was a study that was published just a couple days ago that pretty much said that exact same thing, check it out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080602/lf_nm_life/books_bachelors_dc_2
Personally, the only reason I think anyone should get married is to start a family. If you are not going to have children, what is the point of a marriage? I really don't understand childless, married couples. Maybe they get married to file their taxes jointly? Or to qualify for each others health insurance plans? Those are the only reasons I can think of.
Actually I just think its a traditionalistic convention that people buy into.
Its mainly Western culture that debunks it and Western culture that made divorce a criminal act until recently in many places.
Its the ease of which a back-door can be opened out of a relationship , that many women use an escape clause when things aren't working out quite as planned.
For men it takes alot of nerve to even ASK a woman to marry them. In men's minds they understand that they are to give up other women and be faithful to only ONE woman. That's a tough pill to swallow if it backfires on you, so to us I think its a much larger RISK compared to the risk women take with marriage.
The State also encourages it because it helps them to continue to build up sources of money and continual workforce to replace the aging.
Its because of too few of children being born in Japan that is forcing many men and women well beyond Western retiring age to continue to work because there aren't enough young educated people in the workforce. Its a dark secret that Japanese businesses do not like to talk about, but I saw it on Frontline about a year or so ago.
In any event, there are good reasons to get married, however most of them are turned upside down by your wife's divorce lawyer...
I would like children, not the main push but a big part of what I desire.
....I found better looking and worst looking women since, but I don't regret letting her go, it will just take a better effort from me to dig deeper. I ulimately feel overseas will get me closer to what I want, than wading through American women or even Westernized EE women already in Los Angeles (already been down that route..).
DJ I think you are a brother as I am and you seem to know a lot about European women as I about Asians. So what’s up with the Nordic women, what’s your experience with them? Their is a redheaded Norwegian cop I been seeing town...
DJ FourMoney
06-04-08, 10:56
DJ I think you are a brother as I am and you seem to know a lot about European women as I about Asians. So what’s up with the Nordic women, what’s your experience with them? Their is a redheaded Norwegian cop I been seeing town...
My experience is a bit limited....
I started chatting with one woman from Norway about two years ago, last year one of my main goals was to meet this woman, who was very cute and very BLOND, typical Nordic right? lol
Well it turns out I disappointed her physically I suppose and that was that.
Other than that -
My wingman and I were in the Oslo Airport waiting for our connecting flight to Bergen when two fairly attractive Swedish girls introduce themselves and sat down.
We had a bit of convo, nothing special. One girl had a slight acne problem but otherwise was very attractive. I kinda wanted to get at the one with the clearer complexion - :D
But me being in American Women mode still, I didn't think to get their contact information since I would be without a car while in Bergen and they were going up in the mountains to work for a retirement home (lack of nursing jobs in Sweden), shiet if I was an experienced traveler in Europe, I think I would have tried to talk them into hooking up with us and come back to America where they several THOUSAND high paying nursing jobs.
Would have had my Swedish delight, done, case closed and only visit the forum to say HI every so often, lol but it wasn't to be.
In Bergen I really only got out two nights and I could have pulled but as I was still used to typical American women's though patterns I wasn't aggressive and I believe I missed out on at least 3 chances to hook up.
In Oslo I met homegirl and it flopped as I said either. I didn't want to go back to Bergen (maybe I should have!) I went on to Sweden instead and met up with another girl I knew online. She turned out to be 6'0 and built like a Power Forward, that said she played Center for the Swedish Jr National team. She's actually of Finnish decent, not very cute in the face, huge tities, big ass, had a child. But when I imposed on her at the last minute I could only stay one night as her mother and daughter were coming back to town and she didn't to explain where I had come from.
So we went out for the day, did some shopping, she cooked, we talked, watched TV, went to bed (nothing happen), I woke up, we had breakfast and went out separate ways at the main train station in Stockholm.
That is what happen in Nordic-land while I was there, a miserable FAILURE.
Things I took away from it -
1) Be more aggressive
2) Find were the happing clubs are in Olso and Stockholm. I already know about Bergen, Norway...
3) Spend more time there.
I was there a grand total of 10 days between two countries and never got comfortable. I'm not shy, nor am I timid however fear of rejection gets the best of me and I really need to break away from that. I can't just count on internet contacts especially in Scandinavia because the best looking women do not look overseas for potential bf/husbands. I saw better looking women in person than I ever have seen on any of the dating sites I use. That would be the best advice I would give to somebody, go there and be aggressive you'll score.
American Woman looking for Asian male - 36 (Shangai)
Reply to: pers-708738853@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-06-06, 1:35AM CT
Attractive and tall, blonde, looking for wealthy Asian guy to take care of me;I am educated and interested in art and antiques. You must be a man of means and interested in the finer things in life.
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Hmmmm
ES
Chocha Monger
06-06-08, 05:42
DJ I think you are a brother as I am and you seem to know a lot about European women as I about Asians. So what’s up with the Nordic women, what’s your experience with them? Their is a redheaded Norwegian cop I been seeing town...
If you like your women to be very affectionate then Nordic women wouldn't be your cup of tea. They tend to be a bit cold and disengaged when it comes to relationships.
DJ FourMoney
06-06-08, 06:36
If you like your women to be very affectionate then Nordic women wouldn't be your cup of tea. They tend to be a bit cold and disengaged when it comes to relationships.
I am not completely sure about that....
Americans bring a different culture and different experience. African-American break that down even further.
You will get a different reaction than l what another Nordic guy would get.
Just like Chicas react to you differently than they do the locals and I'm not talking about being treated as walking ATM.
If you like your women to be very affectionate then Nordic women wouldn't be your cup of tea. They tend to be a bit cold and disengaged when it comes to relationships.
I am not looking for relationship with her I have a girl already. I just want to smash her :) Just thought I would ask for some info didn't want to go in green...
Chocha Monger
06-06-08, 13:03
I am not looking for relationship with her I have a girl already. I just want to smash her :) Just thought I would ask for some info didn't want to go in green...
Smashing... yes, they're good for that but I doubt that the experience will exceed what you had in Asia. Anyhow, I guess it can't hurt to sample a bit of everything and add a few more fuck points to your score. Laying one should be no big deal. Expect all 3 holes to be available for smashing. ;)
Only a "FOOL" would respond to this ad!!
American Woman looking for Asian male - 36 (Shangai)
Reply to: pers-708738853@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-06-06, 1:35AM CT
Attractive and tall, blonde, looking for wealthy Asian guy to take care of me;I am educated and interested in art and antiques. You must be a man of means and interested in the finer things in life.
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Hmmmm
ES
Tarius Shinobi
06-07-08, 20:10
American Woman looking for Asian male - 36 (Shangai)
Reply to: pers-708738853@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-06-06, 1:35AM CT
Attractive and tall, blonde, looking for wealthy Asian guy to take care of me;I am educated and interested in art and antiques. You must be a man of means and interested in the finer things in life.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hmmmm
ESIf she claims to be attractive & educated, then why can't she take care of her self? What a sham!
Only a "FOOL" would respond to this ad!!
Or some asian guy with tons of cash and a liking for white p*ssy.
In fact, I would expect to see a lot more of this as time goes buy. Especially if countries like China continue to amass wealth. There are always going to be those women who will head straight for the cash.
I mean, look at Heather Mills and Paul McCartney. She was like early 30's and he must have already been 60 when they met. You can't tell me his half-billion dollar fortune didn't have something to do with that.
Sometimes (but only rarely) I feel sorry for these super-rich guys. Especially the older ones. Deep down inside, most of them really just want love (aside from getting laid). But they can never know for certain, because there's so many hooker types out there.
If my marriage didn't work out, I don't think I'd even bother trying again. Why? Because I'm already in my mid 40's.... and am definitely not interested in women my own age (for reasons obvious to the ISG brethren). I seriously doubt that I'd be able to meet a younger woman who wasn't primarily interested in me as a meal ticket. Definitely not any girls from where I live and that's for sure.
In a way, we should appreciate the women who post such ads as the one mentioned. They are, in their own way, the honest ones. Any guy responding to that ad will, at the very least, know exactly what he's getting.
Rock
Hi Guys,
I have just joined and have been following this thread. Not sure i'm allowed to chat here? Where are the women? It's always nice to hear points of views from both sex
Nat xx
Jelly Donut
06-09-08, 00:29
Hi Guys,
I have just joined and have been following this thread. Not sure i'm allowed to chat here? Where are the women? It's always nice to hear points of views from both sex
Nat xx
Some of us would love a verbal dressing down from someone named Natasha - go for it!
If you are a sex worker, you might want to check out the posts by Rubber Nursery along this thread - she has covered a lot of ground.
Chocha Monger
06-09-08, 00:52
Hi Guys,
I have just joined and have been following this thread. Not sure i'm allowed to chat here? Where are the women? It's always nice to hear points of views from both sex
Nat xx
The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. Given the mission of this forum most women do not participate unless they provide sex to men for a nominal fee. Many of the men on this forum have heard plenty from the female point of view. In coming here they've found "their place" and are not interested in the feminist point of view. They are a band of brothers who have decided to play by their own rules rather than those of the increasingly female dominated society in which we live. Being a woman you may find some of the views expressed here to be offensive. The female point of view is generally the same. They all want something in return for sex. The only variable is the quantity of compensation they demand in return for sexual favors.
The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. Given the mission of this forum most women do not participate unless they provide sex to men for a nominal fee. Many of the men on this forum have heard plenty from the female point of view. In coming here they've found "their place" and are not interested in the feminist point of view. They are a band of brothers who have decided to play by their own rules rather than those of the increasingly female dominated society in which we live. Being a woman you may find some of the views expressed here to be offensive. The female point of view is generally the same. They all want something in return for sex. The only variable is the quantity of compensation they demand in return for sexual favors.
Man you should write a book.
Tarius Shinobi
06-09-08, 05:39
I agree with you Sir Chocha Monger, the last thing we need is female intervention.
Hanging out in Kabul, Afghanistan I was conversing with an Afghan jeweler about some Platinum pieces when a young American female soldier approached us carrying a couple of boxes of US mail. The nice person in me started to approach her to office assistance but then something in me said don’t help her she would probably just think you are flirting and I didn’t. This was just one of the moments of dealing with American women that I avoided her to avoid the so called entitlement attitude.
Rubber Nursey
06-09-08, 09:51
If you are a sex worker, you might want to check out the posts by Rubber Nursery along this thread - she has covered a lot of ground.
Thanks JD. :)
Natasha...feel free to comment on whatever you like. This is the 'opinions' section of a public forum, so unless you're advertising commercial services or insulting other members, you have just as much right to participate as anyone else.
That said, if you want to comment on this particular thread, please keep in mind that much of what you say will likely be contradicted, condemned, or straight out ignored. Over the years, the AW thread has been a place for thoughtful discussion about relationships with the opposite sex, through to a place of public execution for any woman foolish enough to step in front of the firing squad, depending on the individual personalities of the members posting at the time. At the moment, I'd say it tends towards the latter.
If it's prostitution you're interested in, I'd suggest you stick with the more gender-diverse 'Morality of Prostitution' thread. If male/female relationships is more your thing, then by all means post in this section, but make sure you're wearing your Kevlar vest. Contrary to popular belief, there ARE some men on this thread who appreciate a female point of view and value a woman's advice on certain matters - they're just more likely to PM you than speak to you in public. Welcome to the ISG, Natasha. :)
Hi Guys,
I have just joined and have been following this thread. Not sure i'm allowed to chat here? Where are the women? It's always nice to hear points of views from both sex
Nat xx
Welcome to this thread Natasha. I agree with ya, it's great to hear both points of view.
Thanks JD. :)
Natasha...feel free to comment on whatever you like. This is the 'opinions' section of a public forum, so unless you're advertising commercial services or insulting other members, you have just as much right to participate as anyone else.
That said, if you want to comment on this particular thread, please keep in mind that much of what you say will likely be contradicted, condemned, or straight out ignored. Over the years, the AW thread has been a place for thoughtful discussion about relationships with the opposite sex, through to a place of public execution for any woman foolish enough to step in front of the firing squad, depending on the individual personalities of the members posting at the time. At the moment, I'd say it tends towards the latter.
If it's prostitution you're interested in, I'd suggest you stick with the more gender-diverse 'Morality of Prostitution' thread. If male/female relationships is more your thing, then by all means post in this section, but make sure you're wearing your Kevlar vest. Contrary to popular belief, there ARE some men on this thread who appreciate a female point of view and value a woman's advice on certain matters - they're just more likely to PM you than speak to you in public. Welcome to the ISG, Natasha. :)Thanks for that, I think I will give this thread a miss!
I am an escort but that is only one part of my life, I consider the rest of my life to be pretty normal as in relationships/ men, though at the moment I'm single. Reading this thread I now know why! No offence meant!
Nat xxx
Jelly Donut
06-09-08, 23:44
The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. .
Good point. I agree there's no shortage of a women's perspective in this world.
Still, you can read basically every post on this specific "American Women" thread and find nothing that's going to help you get laid. On the contrary, the reality of this specific thread, "American Women", it covers a pretty wide range, but if anything, it's emphasis discourages men from having sex with AWs.
Chocha Monger
06-10-08, 04:53
Good point. I agree there's no shortage of a women's perspective in this world.
Still, you can read basically every post on this specific "American Women" thread and find nothing that's going to help you get laid. On the contrary, the reality of this specific thread, "American Women", it covers a pretty wide range, but if anything, it's emphasis discourages men from having sex with AWs.
JD:
Then perhaps we should petition our king to change that statement to the following: The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women while preserving their dignity and fiscal integrity.
Shinobi:
Interesting that you should mention the Vagina Monologues. That piece of feminist propaganda was developed to encourage women to use their vagina as a tool of empowerment over men. Strangely enough, many men experience the first breach of trust between male and female as newborns when mom hands them over to a stranger who proceeds to slash the foreskin off their little penis with a scalpel. Yet still, one doesn't hear about any penile epilogues and such. One of the most common threats angry females use against males is, "I will cut your dick off!"
Rubber Nursey
06-10-08, 06:28
Thanks for that, I think I will give this thread a miss!
I am an escort but that is only one part of my life, I consider the rest of my life to be pretty normal as in relationships/ men, though at the moment I'm single. Reading this thread I now know why! No offence meant!
Nat xxx
That's a shame, because some of these boys really need a good kick up the arse from someone wearing stilettos. :)
I didn't mean to discourage you from posting. I just wanted you to be forewarned. Again, this is the opinions section of the ISG and you have as much right to an opinion on male/female relations as the boys do. If you have something to say, just say it! And if the boys don't play nice, please come join us on the Morality thread (which has very little to do with morality - it's basically a free-for-all discussion and always welcomes female input).
DJ FourMoney
06-10-08, 07:39
I always enjoy RN's input as she doesn't always agree with the entitlement nonsense that has all over Western culture.
Having the input is good and the women that come under fire here are usually dressed down for good reason.
Welcome Natasha
Having the input is good and the women that come under fire here are usually dressed down for good reason.
Welcome Natasha
I was neutral until Natasha responded with her 'Death Wish' post. If she feels that men standing up to injustice and defending our rights and dignity would result in her 'dying', then perhaps it is best that she does give this thread a miss.
Of course offense was meant when she said that the male opinions expressed in this thread are a reason why she is still single. Her post had the same air of condescension that drive most of us AM to seek foreign women.
Natasha hasn't disclosed where she escorts, but I am surprised she is successful enough to keep doing it. Based on the reports here, escorts with that type of attitude don't get much repeat business.
I was neutral until Natasha responded with her 'Death Wish' post. If she feels that men standing up to injustice and defending our rights and dignity would result in her 'dying', then perhaps it is best that she does give this thread a miss.
Of course offense was meant when she said that the male opinions expressed in this thread are a reason why she is still single. Her post had the same air of condescension that drive most of us AM to seek foreign women.
Natasha hasn't disclosed where she escorts, but I am surprised she is successful enough to keep doing it. Based on the reports here, escorts with that type of attitude don't get much repeat business.I am English, live and work in the UK, all over the Uk.
I have many regular clients which is why I travel all over. My regs are my main source of clients.
They say they like coming back as i'm laid back, friendly and easy to get on with. I think most of all I don't judge them!!! As I don't judge ayone which is why at first I found this thread interesting then quite annoying!
No doubt you have your opinions on English women, there are fakes, gold diggers the world over, men and women, but I wouldn't judge them all by a few or quite a few! If I was to be that way inclined I would be a lesbian! ( due to my ex's behavoir.
The being single bit was meant that if ALL men were to judge, then that's why i'm single, nothing else.
Nat xxxx
That's a shame, because some of these boys really need a good kick up the arse from someone wearing stilettos. :)
I didn't mean to discourage you from posting. I just wanted you to be forewarned. Again, this is the opinions section of the ISG and you have as much right to an opinion on male/female relations as the boys do. If you have something to say, just say it! And if the boys don't play nice, please come join us on the Morality thread (which has very little to do with morality - it's basically a free-for-all discussion and always welcomes female input).I only kick people up the ass if they pay me! I'm an expert at doing Domination! According to someone here I probably don't get repeat business as I have a voice! Most of my clients are regs! If they checked my website and feedback on AW they would see! A sense of humor goes along way!
Here in England, we have a tv programe called Grumpy old men.
Nat xxxx
DJ FourMoney
06-10-08, 21:33
I was neutral until Natasha responded with her 'Death Wish' post. If she feels that men standing up to injustice and defending our rights and dignity would result in her 'dying', then perhaps it is best that she does give this thread a miss.
Of course offense was meant when she said that the male opinions expressed in this thread are a reason why she is still single. Her post had the same air of condescension that drive most of us AM to seek foreign women.
Natasha hasn't disclosed where she escorts, but I am surprised she is successful enough to keep doing it. Based on the reports here, escorts with that type of attitude don't get much repeat business.
Maybe....
She is more than likely single because she's in an area where she can't be honest about what she does and has found she can't limit her availability as some workers tend to do when they are dating somebody.
Dayum even the sex workers don't give us a fair shake huh?
Tarius Shinobi
06-10-08, 22:55
AW escorts aren't worth the time, or the effort!
I enjoy this thread. I get to hear from guys who are in similar situations as I am. Most of what I've read on here is fact and not some concocted scheme to brutalize women. We are everyday people telling everyday stories at least that is how it comes across to me.
I appreciate the contributions that rubber nursey has made. The majority of her posts are un biased and those that are biased are written with a light sense of humor. Although I must say the mother image ie. " Some of these guys need a good kick in the arse" is not necessary and rather mundane. If anyone needs anything in their ass it's an AW.
Natasha sounds boring and typical. I will however give her posts a glance if they are not too long.
I think something that doesn't get said too often on this thread is most of us are not out to attack women to make them feel like shit but to let out our frustrations . We demonstrate how ugly gender relations are in the western world. Most of us travel so we have the experience to differentiate between the two.
I find most of the guys on here are decent guys who work hard to earn a living and they want a companion and a little romance in their lives. Thats all I want. I can cook do my own laundry clean my house and dress myself better or equal than any women could. I want a female buddy with whom I can share some good times and responsibilities. I'd like her to *want to have sex with me as I would with her.
I was raised to think that men are dogs but that isn't true. I find most american men to be more prone to romance than women.
I can't remember who said it I think george 90 but there was a previous post about how advanced women have become and how it will take generations of failed lives for western women to understand what effect they have on society . It will have an effect on the economy future gender relations homosexuality etc. etc. As we all know we are now feeling the demise of western culture . It will only get worse if this continues.
I am 38 years old I've never been married and I have no kids. I am disgusted with most of the women I meet in america and quite often abroad. Its all about money and security and although I appreciate the kindness I get from foreign women I don't trust them either. I find it depressing that they like me because I can provide for them. However I am happy to get my dick wet and I will treat them with respect because after all we are both getting something out of it.
I don't know if I could ever live with a women again. I see things differently now. If anything I'd like to have a girlfriend with her own place. I just don't have the patience or desire to go through the mental crap.
The only thing that would change that is true love. If I don't find that then it's smut city for me.
This has nothing to do with this post but have you ever noticed how many women own dogs instead of having boyfriends ? It seems like everywhere I go I see little men on a leash.
Rubber Nursey
06-11-08, 02:05
I was neutral until Natasha responded with her 'Death Wish' post. ...Her post had the same air of condescension that drive most of us AM to seek foreign women.
Her 'death wish' comment was presumably in reference to my firing squad comment and advice to wear a Kevlar vest. Which was apparently warranted. Natasha popped her head in and politely asked if she could join in conversation and was promptly shot down by three posters. I don't blame her for feeling put out by that response. You didn't find Chocha's rant just the littlest bit 'condescending'?
The purpose of this forum is to IMPROVE your chances of getting laid, not alienate yourselves from women completely. I think it's high time we had a dedicated 'male/female relationships' thread, where women and men can have adult conversations about where we're going wrong and what we can learn from each other. The bitter and twisted amongst you can stay here and wallow in your (largely self-inflicted) collective misery.
Rubber Nursey
06-11-08, 02:16
Although I must say the mother image ie. " Some of these guys need a good kick in the arse" is not necessary and rather mundane.
I didn't actually mean that literally - I was thinking more of a B&D, 'these naughty boys need to be punished by a hot chick in stilettos' scenario. Maybe I should have said you need a good spanking. Either way, it was supposed to be light-hearted, not 'motherly'. Sorry.
I don't know if I could ever live with a women again. I see things differently now. If anything I'd like to have a girlfriend with her own place. I just don't have the patience or desire to go through the mental crap.
I have reached exactly the same point in my own life. This is why I'd love to have a space where this sort of problem can be openly discussed by men AND women, without either side being shot down. I think many of us are in the same place.
Tarius Shinobi
06-11-08, 02:20
This is what "vagina" means for American Women:
V=Vindictive
A=Agonizing
G=Game Playing
I=Immature
N=Nutty
A=Antagonists
Two of the vowels above play huge parts in the high divorce rates
in western culture.
Want more ? Watch an episode of "Sex & the city","Army Wives",& "Desperate Housewives" I must warn you, it will turn your stomach!
For relief, watch the DVD: In The Realm of the senses.
Thanks for that, I think I will give this thread a miss!
I am an escort but that is only one part of my life, I consider the rest of my life to be pretty normal as in relationships/ men, though at the moment I'm single. Reading this thread I now know why! No offence meant!
Nat xxx
Ah interesting, an escort.
I Usually find escorts (and whatever other type of pro) to be a lot more understanding of men. They often see us at our worst and sometimes when we're not so bad.
Sex-workers see a lot more guys (in a sexual context) than the average girl. They also benefit financially from the male desire for sex, so they tend to be a lot more understanding of that aspect of the male psyche as well.
Natasha comes across more like a non-pro. That last post indicates the typical AW attitude. As in " I'm single and I'm normal and the reason I'm single is because the average guy ( that's us ) is somehow deficient.... and therefore not good enough for me".
Dear, if you really are an escort, your life can't be that normal can it? Did your last BF know how you make your money? Did any of them know? Will the next one know? That's a hard thing for most guys to deal with. I could do it, but then I'd probably be classified as something of a sexual/social deviant :D .
Don't take what you read here too seriously.... or at least try and read between the lines. A lot of guys here have been hurt, frustrated to the point where they have given up on trying to have a so-called normal relationship. Yeah, some of them are just being picky but I'm sure many of them would give anything to find a nice average woman they could get along with.
And, if in the future, you find yourself single again..... it might partly be something to do with you. It can't always be the other persons fault right?
Rock
......Don't take what you read here too seriously.... or at least try and read between the lines. A lot of guys here have been hurt, frustrated to the point where they have given up on trying to have a so-called normal relationship. Yeah, some of them are just being picky but I'm sure many of them would give anything to find a nice average woman they could get along with.
Rock
Yeah what you are saying here is dead on...Even though I am in a normal relationship I still say mongering is the better option when you weigh the the pros and cons.
Her 'death wish' comment was presumably in reference to my firing squad comment and advice to wear a Kevlar vest. Which was apparently warranted. Natasha popped her head in and politely asked if she could join in conversation and was promptly shot down by three posters. I don't blame her for feeling put out by that response. You didn't find Chocha's rant just the littlest bit 'condescending'?
The purpose of this forum is to IMPROVE your chances of getting laid, not alienate yourselves from women completely. I think it's high time we had a dedicated 'male/female relationships' thread, where women and men can have adult conversations about where we're going wrong and what we can learn from each other. The bitter and twisted amongst you can stay here and wallow in your (largely self-inflicted) collective misery.
I have a former co-worker a really good guy who left a career in the military near retirement because of his ex-wife. He then joins the private sector working two jobs to make ends meet then she complained he was never home. She verbally abused the man and bought another man drinks and stored them at his house and left them in the fridge. (I don’t advocate beating women but if that was me….)When he started to stand up to her philandering behavior she asked for a divorce even through this entire ordeal he begged her to reconsider. She got everything his house, his car his two kids plus Alimony. He was then forced to move to rough side of town and live in a flea bag struggling to feed himself.
He lands the job where I met him and works his way back and is making decent money then she finds out about it through the kids asking where he is. She takes him back to court and gets more money because of the salary of our position. You think this guy still has a positive outlook towards women?
I have to ask…How the fuck was his and many like him misery self inflicted?
Rubbery Nursery I respect your comments and love your post hell I even asked you questions myself… but I think you were out of bounds right there.
My Two.
How about cats? Fish? Birds?
This has nothing to do with this post but have you ever noticed how many women own dogs instead of having boyfriends ? It seems like everywhere I go I see little men on a leash.
Rubber Nursey
06-11-08, 11:33
Rubbery Nursery I respect your comments and love your post hell I even asked you questions myself… but I think you were out of bounds right there.
My comment was that the bitter and twisted amongst you can wallow in your collective (largely self-inflicted) misery, while the rest of us go to another thread and engage in meaningful conversation.
I'm sure I'm not the only person who's noticed SOME of the men on this thread have huge chips on their shoulders. If they treat women in real life the same way they do here, then it's little wonder they aren't getting laid and yes...I would consider their loneliness to be largely self-inflicted.
As for what your co-worker went through, I think you'd be battling to find someone on this site who HASN'T been through that shit. Myself included. I started wh*ring after leaving a violent drunk husband and almost ending up homeless while struggling to pay off HIS debts that had somehow attached themselves to me. And that's just one in a long line of failed relationships. Do I hate all men because of it? No. I'm cautious and slow to trust these days, but I try to see every new man with a fresh eye and an open mind.
Wallowing in self pity and tarring all men/women with the same brush isn't helpful. It just pushes people further away and perpetuates the cycle of disappointment and loss. That's what I meant by self-inflicted misery.
Her 'death wish' comment was presumably in reference to my firing squad comment and advice to wear a Kevlar vest. Which was apparently warranted. Natasha popped her head in and politely asked if she could join in conversation and was promptly shot down by three posters. I don't blame her for feeling put out by that response. You didn't find Chocha's rant just the littlest bit 'condescending'?
No. I did not find Chocha's posts condescending to Natasha or to women. I found them to be harsh, unfriendly, and inappropriately hostile. I felt they were also clear, to the point, and 'unvieled'. By 'unveiled' I mean that Chocha expressed his displeasure honestly and to Natasha's face. He did not smile at her face and then stab her in the back with 'veiled' statements.
I only kick people up the ass if they pay me! I'm an expert at doing Domination! According to someone here I probably don't get repeat business as I have a voice! Most of my clients are regs! If they checked my website and feedback on AW they would see! A sense of humor goes along way!
Here in England, we have a tv programe called Grumpy old men.
Nat xxxx
Few of the men here are submissives. We too have a voice!
In what direction does your sense of humour go? I have found that far too many people who complain about people like me, who have limited senses of humour, enjoy humour that degrades and humiliates others. Their jokes are nothing more than veiled insults.
Again, I was neutral about you until your posts started to reveal who you are. When a member makes intelligent, respectful posts, he/she will get intelligent, respectful responses from those members who do not have 'issues'. Those members with 'issues' get flamed regularly, and sometimes banned.
Rubber Nursey
06-11-08, 18:38
I was raised to think that men are dogs but that isn't true.
Can I ask where that came from? Your family, your school, the media...?
I can't tell you how horrified I was to read that comment. That's awful.
DJ FourMoney
06-11-08, 20:18
My comment was that the bitter and twisted amongst you can wallow in your collective (largely self-inflicted) misery, while the rest of us go to another thread and engage in meaningful conversation.
I'm sure I'm not the only person who's noticed SOME of the men on this thread have huge chips on their shoulders. If they treat women in real life the same way they do here, then it's little wonder they aren't getting laid and yes...I would consider their loneliness to be largely self-inflicted.
As for what your co-worker went through, I think you'd be battling to find someone on this site who HASN'T been through that shit. Myself included. I started wh*ring after leaving a violent drunk husband and almost ending up homeless while struggling to pay off HIS debts that had somehow attached themselves to me. And that's just one in a long line of failed relationships. Do I hate all men because of it? No. I'm cautious and slow to trust these days, but I try to see every new man with a fresh eye and an open mind.
Wallowing in self pity and tarring all men/women with the same brush isn't helpful. It just pushes people further away and perpetuates the cycle of disappointment and loss. That's what I meant by self-inflicted misery.
Your quite correct RN as usual...
I am alone, but not lonely there's a difference...
Much of it self-inflicted because if I settled, I would be miserable!
I don't understand why a British hooker would be interested in a thread about American women. Similarly I like RN but she is often way off base because she isn't American and has never even been there.
British men are a bunch of snobbish poofs but I wouldn't waste time participating in a thread discussing same.
Can I ask where that came from? Your family, your school, the media...?
I can't tell you how horrified I was to read that comment. That's awful.
It was all around me like I am sure it was for many other americans.
By the way YES that is awful.
Jelly Donut
06-12-08, 00:53
He lands the job where I met him and works his way back and is making decent money then she finds out about it through the kids asking where he is. She takes him back to court and gets more money because of the salary of our position.
These kinds of stories about divorce play an important part of the discussion on this thread, but I've had a couple of close friends go through divorces with American women and the experiences were not as bad as all that. It seems like if children are involved it's significantly more painful.
One of my buddies thinks his ex-wife is "insane", but I've never heard him complain about alimony or the kids. He is a lawyer, and not stupid, so maybe he was able to work the system more effectively than an average guy.
Still, the thing that shocks me most about the divorces my friends have gone through is how mundane and uninteresting they seem to be. Just part of the fabric of everyday life, nothing like the movies. When I was a kid, a divorce was something interesting and dramatic, but today, as an adult, it's so much less so.
Anyway. RN. What makes you think a constructive discussion of male and female issues is going to take place within a forum dedicated so significantly to prostitution? It doesn't seem to me that the men who post here are interested in "serious" relationships, while the women who post are, for the most part, mercenaries in the game of love.
Cloud Palms
06-12-08, 01:26
What makes you think a constructive discussion of male and female issues is going to take place within a forum dedicated so significantly to prostitution? It doesn't seem to me that the men who post here are interested in "serious" relationships, while the women who post are, for the most part, mercenaries in the game of love.I for one am not at all interested in "improving my game" or how to change myself so that I can pick up women better. I as well as most other forum members know what the overall situation with western women is and what it takes to "get laid". Doesnt mean we necessarily want to do it. There are those that prefer to pay money for sex instead.
I would definitely welcome a female members honest advice on how to save a few bucks on a session, get overall better service from a provider and best way to check for STDs on them. I am sure that Natasha or other female members will get a lot more respect and be welcomed if they can assist us in matters of business P4P not personal relationships.
Rubber Nursey
06-12-08, 05:37
DH: Much of the discussion in this thread focuses on the flaws of 'western women' and the feminist impact on 'western society'. Aussie, Brit and European men also contribute. I generally avoid butting in when the discussion is more AW-specific.
JD: Because we (hookers and mongers) see the world differently. Many of us have alternative views on 'traditional' relationships and/or what constitutes 'normal' sexual behaviour. The Morality thread spends over half its time discussing personal relationships, like having working girlfriends, or being found in a massage parlour by your wife, or dealing with the guilt of living a P4P 'double life'. (Imagine the response some of those questions would get in a 'real life' relationships forum!) I think there's more than enough interest in the topic to sustain its own thread.
DJ FourMoney
06-12-08, 07:06
DH: Much of the discussion in this thread focuses on the flaws of 'western women' and the feminist impact on 'western society'. Aussie, Brit and European men also contribute. I generally avoid butting in when the discussion is more AW-specific.
JD: Because we (hookers and mongers) see the world differently. Many of us have alternative views on 'traditional' relationships and/or what constitutes 'normal' sexual behaviour. The Morality thread spends over half its time discussing personal relationships, like having working girlfriends, or being found in a massage parlour by your wife, or dealing with the guilt of living a P4P 'double life'. (Imagine the response some of those questions would get in a 'real life' relationships forum!) I think there's more than enough interest in the topic to sustain its own thread.
Again I agreed, I am not a monger (at least I don't believe so)
Its because save for most of Europe, sex is a taboo subject and paying for it carries a large burden with it as well. When you try to tell dummies that they are paying for it too, they scoff and justify that cost as a part of dating and if you end up not having sex that's just goes with the territory...
Overall we have some interesting people on here.
Some posters want to visit remote countries just for P4P, while bypassing great locations for the hobby such as Germany, Thailand or Brasil.
Why would you wanna go to a country or a location where P4P is largely non-existent and you'll have an easier time getting it from "freebies"??
I would say that a good 80% of the forum does not look like Jabba The Hut, so you really shouldn't have any problems pulling "normal" women. No reason to go to some remote town in Moldova for example, were as a "stranger" you'll generally be rejected and with the local P4P trade overcharged.
But I digress -
Providers only have a different mindset because they get to see a side of men that many other women don't. Plus they can't be high and mighty about a career choice that others take opinion with and have arguments about it on "Dr Phil".
But I dunno, why won't escorts and porn stars date me??? Am I not looking in the right place? I live in Porn Valley (San Fernando Valley) I know there "around" here, instead of dating some dirt bag, why not me???? lol
Oh well..
Rubber Nursey
06-12-08, 07:47
It was all around me like I am sure it was for many other americans. By the way YES that is awful.
Have to admit, I was slightly relieved to hear you say that. Your original comment gave me this mental image of your mother beating you with a stick, screaming 'all men are dogs'!
But the reality doesn't make it any less awful. The messages I grew up with were a happy blend of old and new, but that's all changed now, thanks largely to those same ideas and attitudes imported from the United States. This has really screwed with us as a nation, because gender roles are very closely tied in to who we are as Australians. We are not a 'Christian country' in the true sense. As a convict settlement in a harsh and isolated environment, our values and culture were moulded by adversity, not doctrine.
Women had an important role to play in society. We weren't pretty playthings who embroidered hankies while our menfolk worked and we still aren't. We have always been emancipated. Many of the messages coming from America just don't fit with Australian values and culture, which has resulted in mass confusion. Women's rights actually appear to be going backwards in this country. Women who want to stay home and raise children are being forced into the workforce. Our beautiful rough diamond Aussie blokes are being encouraged to behave and dress like 'sensitive new age guys'. American concepts like alimony and censorship and political correctness are sneaking into our lives, even though none of us seem to agree with them.
Our once symbiotic male/female relationships - traditional and equal at the same time - have been decimated. Nobody knows what their role is any more. While I wouldn't say that Australian men are being raised to think they're dogs just yet, they ARE being raised to think the Australian idea of masculinity is wrong - based on the American (female) idea of how a woman should be treated and how a man should behave. Australian culture is often described as sexist by Americans, but they just don't understand how it works. Now our men are being made to look like drunken misogynist fools in our media. Time-honoured 'sexist' Aussie traditions like the skimpy (lingerie-clad barmaids) are being regulated into non-existence.
Sorry. I'll shut up now. :) But this is a subject I feel really passionate (and angry) about, which is why I often pop my head into this thread when the topic is being debated. This insane battle of the sexes needs to stop before our entire way of life comes crashing down around our ears.
Tom Ninesixty
06-12-08, 08:14
I...Most of my clients are regs! If they checked my website and feedback on AW they would see!Hi Natasha,
Like you I'm a newcomer to ISG. Posters on this site seem to use a lot of acronyms, and AW generally seems to mean "American women". I suspect you meant "AdultWork" - correct?
If so, I'm off to that site to look you up! I'm a British punter, and use Adultwork almost exclusively when I'm looking for fun - I've posted a dozen or so Field Reports there. I like to think that I respect the wonderful women I've met via that site, and I'm aghast at some of the misogynistic opinions I'm reading here.
British men are a bunch of snobbish poofsI'd like to think that your tongue was in your cheek when you wrote that, but I fear that it wasn't. But as someone else said, maybe it's best not to take anything written here too seriously ;)
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Hmm.... RN makes a good point about the strange and unique phenomenon of American "exportation" of its culture around the world - for better or for worse.
American television, music and products seem to inevitably infiltrate other countries and cultures. I can't tell you how annoying it is to walk into a bar in Eastern Europe and they're blaring Elvis, the Beach Boys, etc. I mean, here I am in Vienna, the home of Strauss and the Waltz and I'm listening to California surf music. Oh yeah, then at your hotel you turn on the TV and they have Cheers on with Sam Malone dubbed in German???
OK, I can live with this but we also export vile stuff like alimony, feminism, political correctness and all kinds of other cultural misery and buzz words. This invariably leads to conflcit and confrontation when these issues filter over to other countries and cultures. Hey, maybe in the next several decades the rest of the world will be as miserable as we American men!
Paddy
Here, check out this American kunt:
"I am 44 and have attracted cheap men all of my life. Looking back, I realize that my boyfriends were cheap. My husband is cheap (we live comfortably), my lovers have all been cheap with me, but what's even more painful is that they have told me about the gifts they bought for their wives and former mistresses.
My current lover and I have been together for more than two years. He is a successful physician and enjoys a nice lifestyle. I have enough "things," but it is the attention and thought that counts, and I think that a long-term relationship warrants gift-giving "just because" — to make your lover happy.
He once said that he is afraid that my husband would see a present and question it, and I assured him that I would make sure my husband didn't see it. He also said I should not give him anything because his wife might see it. I need to know what I am doing wrong."
What are you doing wrong? Breathing, for one thing!
Hey Paddy, are you still marooned in SP? What's up with all of that?
Jelly Donut
06-14-08, 20:59
inevitably infiltrate
It's the same deal here in the United States with Austrian culture - it's seems like every Sunday morning you can't walk into a cafe without hearing Mozart. And everybody is trying to "psychoanalyze" this or that. And there's an Austrian Governor of the U.S. state of California - home of so much of the culture we use for "infiltration". Freakin Austrians, almost as bad as the Australians. Why can't they just leave us alone?
Hard to view Mozart as Austrian since there was no Austria back then. Now Schwarznegger should be killed.
Bango Cheito
06-15-08, 06:36
RN, I've been saying on this thread for a LONG time that I think many posters' anger is WAY misplaced. They bring the gender thing into it just like in America the race thing finds its way into everything, no matter how grossly inappropriate.
People should be concerned about the machine that's eating societies up from the inside out, and our bleak outlook for the future in general instead of hating on each other for stupid bullshit.
For the record, I'm divorced, we settled out of court, I pay on time like a responsible motherfucker and my ex doesn't bother me. I'm there a lot for the kids, as much as I can be, and when I can't watch the kids and she needs somebody she finds somebody else.
JD,
I once read that over 50% of American college students who were randomly sampled in one study thought that Austria and Australia were the same country. Man, that's scary stuff.
Paddy
Yeah, well, try living in Buenos Aires, Argentina and listening to your allegedly college educated American women friends saying shit like, "I could never live in the tropics"; "Don't you get tired of all the spicy food?"; "Aren't you worried about earthquakes?" and similar ignorant bullshit. It is like everything south of the Rio Grande all the way to Tierra del Fuego is one big Mexico. My American men friends never ask these stupid questions. They just say, "Dude. Argentina? Whatever. Want another beer?"
But when I went to Australia, the immigration agent asked me if I had any criminal record and I said, "I didn't know I still needed one." He was not amused and I got taken to a special place where I received special treatment. So probably don't do that. I thought it was funny at the time and now, 8 years later, I still think it was funny.
But I know it is not the same country as Austria because when I went to Austria I froze my ass off whereas in Australia I baked my brain.
Tarius Shinobi
06-16-08, 10:03
With all the controversy surrounding the Hogan family in regards to Nick Hogan's current slammer status, his mom, recently filed for divorce, & is now dating a 19 year old guy.
Like many AW, even as they age, they still want to act like they are teenagers! What do you guys think ? Are AW's attention sluts?
Tarius Shinobi
06-16-08, 10:18
Gene Simmons, Israel born, former immigrant (Has been a citizen most of his life). He's a multi-millionaire recording artist & entrepreneur. He's been with Canadian born model Shannon Tweed for over 20 years, they have 2 kidz, 1 of whom is grown, the other soon to follow. The punchline: He has yet to marry Shannon's ass, and he doesn't believe in marriage! Heck, once his other kid is grown & moves out the house, Shannon can leave also: No child support or "Vagina-Money"! Rock on Gene!
Chocha Monger
06-16-08, 20:04
Man you should write a book.
I plan on doing that in the future once I take up permanent residence outside of the US.
Duh. That is why I said it.
With all the controversy surrounding the Hogan family in regards to Nick Hogan's current slammer status, his mom, recently filed for divorce, & is now dating a 19 year old guy.
Like many AW, even as they age, they still want to act like they are teenagers! What do you guys think ? Are AW's attention sluts?
Don't we men in this forum discuss ways to get the attention of 18, 19, 20 yo hotties in various places in the world?
I think most of us try to be more discreet than Mrs. Hogan.
Guys. Check this out. An american women that married five times. Killing all five husband. The sheriff finally investigate this biatch after thinking that she maybe the cause of death for all five husband.
CHARLOTTE, North Carolina (AP) -- Police may have ignored a warning years ago that a woman with five dead spouses was trying to hire a hit man to kill one of the men, investigators in North Carolina said Monday.
Betty Johnson Neumar is shown at her booking. She is charged with hiring a hit man to kill her husband.
Authorities charged 76-year-old Betty Neumar last month with one count of solicitation of murder in the July 1986 death of Harold Gentry. Gentry's brother had begged investigators for two decades to take another look at the case.
Stanly County sheriff's investigators believe Neumar tried to hire several people to kill Gentry. Lead detective Scott Williams said Monday his office is looking into the possibility that one of those would-be hit men went to authorities before Gentry's death, but no one took him seriously.
"That's another aspect we're looking into," Williams said, declining to elaborate.
Former Stanly County sheriff Ralph McSwain, who was in office when Gentry was killed, is recovering from a stroke and said he doesn't remember much about the case. He said the sheriff's detective who handled the investigation of the case is dead.
"This was a long time ago," McSwain said. "Could someone have come forward with information before it happened? Sure. I just don't know."
Neumar has been married five times since the 1950s, but each union ended with the death of her husband. Investigators want authorities elsewhere to look into the deaths. Williams said investigators have uncovered a common link among the victims: They all had military experience.
Neumar is being held on $500,000 bond in the Stanly County jail. A clerk in the county clerk of courts office said Monday that Neumar does not yet have an attorney. Her daughter with Harold Gentry, who also lives in Augusta, has declined to comment.
Williams said that detectives believe Harold Gentry was Neumar's fourth husband. She and her third husband, Richard "Dick" Sills, were living in the Florida Keys when he was shot to death in 1965, Williams said. At the time, police said his death was the result of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. But Williams said Neumar was the only person in the room when he died.
After his death, Neumar met Gentry in Florida. The couple married in the late 1960s in Georgia after he retired from the Army and moved to the town of Norwood, about an hour east of Charlotte.
Gentry was found shot to death inside the couple's home on July 14, 1986. Three years later, she married her fifth husband, John Neumar. He died in October, and authorities in Augusta, Ga., are investigating whether his death -- officially listed as sepsis, bacterial infection of the body's blood and tissues -- might have another cause, such as arsenic poisoning.
Williams said Neumar would wedge herself between family members and her victims to isolate them. She was cold to Gentry's brothers, who spent two decades trying to get the sheriff's department to reopen the case, they said. He was so isolated that his sons say they didn't know he had died until they read his obituary in the newspaper.
"It's heartbreaking," Williams said. "These people were very close and she moved in and stopped him from seeing them. It was really a hard story to hear."
Williams said he's still working to uncover as much as he can about Neumar's first two husbands, both of whom he said were from Ohio. One died in 1952, the other in 1955. He's also trying to piece together her life between her second husband's death and when she married Sills.
"Keep in mind that it appears that after each husband, she moved on. So she could just tell any story she wanted to tell," Williams said. "That's just what happened. She would come up with some pretty wild stories that she told about herself or what happened to her husbands."
Chocha Monger
06-18-08, 00:21
Don't we men in this forum discuss ways to get the attention of 18, 19, 20 yo hotties in various places in the world?
I think most of us try to be more discreet than Mrs. Hogan.
Sure many of the older mongers like the tenderloin. However, the issue is when a man does it he is called a dirty old man, pervert and other unflattering names but when a woman does it she is called an urban cougar. It's cool, its hip. She's getting her groove back. People hand her jumbo bottles of KY-Jelly and yell, "You go girl!"
I am probably an older monger, but not too into tenderloin. But, that is another reason I left the US. Dating younger women is much more common and acceptable in other countries. I can date someone say 20 years younger (which still ain't too young ha ha) and no one bats an eyelash. Totally normal. In the US only celebrities can do this.
Cloud Palms
06-18-08, 19:08
OK, I can live with this but we also export vile stuff like alimony, feminism, political correctness and all kinds of other cultural misery and buzz words. This invariably leads to conflcit and confrontation when these issues filter over to other countries and cultures. Hey, maybe in the next several decades the rest of the world will be as miserable as we American men! Ok dont joke around with this sort of thing. The rest of the world is all we have left to get away from all the AW nonsense. I consider Americanism to be an infectious disease that is spreading to the entire world. It needs to be contained in these borders (or in this hemisphere at least). I will gladly trade hot dogs and football games to not have to deal with alimony or feminism.
I used to watch Star Trek and this reminds me of a memorable quote from the character Michael Eddington regarding the Federation (America, metaphorically):
"You know, in some ways you're worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious... you assimilate people and they don't even know it."
Cohabitation Not a Requirement for Palimony Claim, Says N.J. Supreme Court
Michael Booth - New Jersey Law Journal
Cohabitation is not an absolute requirement for a successful claim for palimony but is only one of a number of factors a judge should consider, the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday.
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202422341122
on father's day last sunday, barack obama gave a speech highlighting the lack of fathers in many families, especially black families. men are not behaving responsibly. we are behaving like boys.
today, a nytimes editorial continues on that theme but adds some data on us children born out of wedlock. the rate of single-mother births for blacks started to rise dramatically in 1965 after the passages of the anti-poverty programs. pregnant girls no longer needed to marry the father to have enough money to care for the baby. public assistance now did that. in 1960 the proportion of all births to black single mothers was under 10%. it reached 50% around 1978. according to this article, in 2006, 80% of all births to black women were to single mothers under 30 years old.
in 1960, births to single mothers in the us was at a rate of 6%. the article said the year 2006 was a milestone because in that year 50.4% of all birth in the us were to single mothers under 30 years old. for the first time in us history, a majority of births are out-of-wedlock!
the breakdown by race/ethnicity was: blacks (non-hispanic) 80%, whites (non-hispanic) 33%, and hispanics 51%.
the article quotes academic studies that show that lower incomes for young men is the main factor in the rise in single mother births. it said nothing of the simultaneous rise in young women's incomes over the past 25 years. it said nothing of whether women are voluntarily having children without husbands. for example, there was that pact made by teenage girls in massachussetts to get pregnant and raise their children together. none talked of marriage to the fathers!
men are less able to support families due to their falling incomes. women are more able to support families due to their rising incomes. ergo, more women are choosing to have families without the father. but according to society, all this is men's fault!
obama and the article writer did acknowledge that the us government needs to provide more incentives for marriage. as i see it, right now with the new california law, only gay american men have an incentive to marry in the us.
Naked Gunz
06-21-08, 21:25
As I see it, right now with the new California law, only gay American men have an incentive to marry in the US.
What the hell was I thinking? I guess I was in the 20th percentile.
I actually married two Black women! Both disasters. It took until age forty to realize marriage in America does not work. I feel differently about that in reference to the rest of the world.
It would be nice to find an attactive woman that is aware of other things in life besides shoes,clothes and jewelry. And knows to avoid having to eat dog food in your golden years, you must save wisely and not sneak home everything in Macys.
It's one or the other guys, big tits or big brains. You can't get both!
DJ FourMoney
06-21-08, 22:57
NGZ -
You thought correctly!
Marriage makes sense, even in America, just don't marry an American woman...
Single Mothers are solely a product of your very poor sex education system, bottom line.
It has nothing to do with Welfare or Welfare Reform, people will abuse a system, its human nature. The problem is the Neo-Conservatives are always concerned with that small percentage of the population that will take advance of your "generosity" and not the majority that won't. The media likes to sensationalize anything that puts people of color in a negative light.
But the fact of the matter is, those young white girls having babies are not coming from poor backgrounds generally. In some cases they are, I know a few but their parents didn't put them out on the street. I'm not saying that happens in Brown or Black households either, but statistics don't lie, people of color make less money, have less money saved and no health care or at least not enough health care, so young woman are turning to local and state governments for help.
Look down the income scale and you'll see the poorer you are, the more likely you'll have single parents with children, DUH.
That's poor sex education and the Religious Reich at every turn trying to stop those of us that are progressive from teaching young people about sex, about birth control and how you properly use condoms - Period!
Even in other countries this isn't a problem, at least not one you hear publicly. There's no resentment among "tax payers" about paying to make sure we have don't have higher infant morality, which is already HIGHER than any other industrial country.
When people complain about taxes, I say go live in Denmark
When people complain about social welfare, I say go live in Saudi Arabia
When people not in the military scream for blood, I say go live in the middle east.
Holy Cow is our country a MESS
Member #4214
06-22-08, 03:58
Took the old lady to the new movie 'Sex and the City' last night. One short riff in the movie just sent chills down my spin and reminded of this thread.
One of girls doesn't sleep with her husband for six months and thinks that is normal. Finally, during sex she tells him 'Get it over with already.' Well, of course he dismounts and shortly has an affair.
But of course this is a movie marketed primarily to AWs, so the guy comes whimpering back, begging forgiveness. Later he is slouched over in counseling before they make up.
Anyway, I've been outside the US for many, many years so can't really related to stories about AWs anymore. The movie shed some light on comments made on this thread.
Guys, don't take your girls to this one!! Haha.
Naked Gunz
06-22-08, 07:11
NGZ -
You thought correctly! Marriage makes sense, even in America, just don't marry an American woman...
What about the poor idiots with import models that took em for all they had?
Don't get me wrong, I love women. When I'm 65, I am smart enough to get a 50 yo that's still kinda hot and appreciative. Not a 23 yo that's VERY HOTand waiting for me to die or hit her while living in the US. Both which,will get her out of the deal. But the system now favors them. Esp in California. My point is -odds are against men.
Single Mothers are solely a product of your very poor sex education system, bottom line.
And poor parenting. Pregnant unmarried superstar role models,ect.
It has nothing to do with Welfare or Welfare Reform, people will abuse a system, its human nature. The problem is the Neo-Conservatives are always concerned with that small percentage of the population that will take advance of your "generosity" and not the majority that won't. The media likes to sensationalize anything that puts people of color in a negative light..
Okay..your opinion. Welfare has not been an issue since Duran-Duran first made girls wet. Anger is now towards the people breaching the border,not food stamp bearers. But I agree Neo-Cons will take this country towards Salem witch trials. They pull Republican purse strings.
But the fact of the matter is, those young white girls having babies are not coming from poor backgrounds generally. In some cases they are, I know a few but their parents didn't put them out on the street. I'm not saying that happens in Brown or Black households either, but statistics don't lie, people of color make less money, have less money saved and no health care or at least not enough health care, so young woman are turning to local and state governments for help..
Ummm-ok. Lets hope they get the help they need. Again, society and technology are getting more influence on our children than good old fashioned parenting. I am a moderate. Old school ways are okay with me.
Look down the income scale and you'll see the poorer you are, the more likely you'll have single parents with children, DUH...
Yep..and I am a product of that ignorance. My dad was married, not to my mom. I don't even know of my parents education level. Yep,being Black is work.
That's poor sex education and the Religious Reich at every turn trying to stop those of us that are progressive from teaching young people about sex, about birth control and how you properly use condoms - Period!
Even in other countries this isn't a problem, at least not one you hear publicly. There's no resentment among "tax payers" about paying to make sure we have don't have higher infant morality, which is already HIGHER than any other industrial country.
When people complain about taxes, I say go live in Denmark
When people complain about social welfare, I say go live in Saudi Arabia
When people not in the military scream for blood, I say go live in the middle east. Holy Cow is our country a MESS
ok...peace
Marriage used to make sense. It used to be an economic melding of two families to increase the overall wealth of both families combined (positive synergies). It no longer accomplishes that. It often accomplishes the increase in overall wealth of first, the people benefiting economically from the ceremony, such as jewelers, caterers, interior decorators, and so forth; and second of lawyers who write prenuptial agreements and then handle the inevitable subsequent divorces.
Now it is completely unnecessary. Some say it is necessary when children are involved. I say children are completely unnecessary. Also they are sticky and very expensive.
Your children will not take care of you when you are old. Get a dog instead. And get a vasectomy. Get your dog a vasectomy too. It is more expensive than having him castrated but god damn. Would you like to be castrated by your owner without any input into the decision? And do you want your bag just hanging empty in the wind?
Tarius Shinobi
06-22-08, 20:18
Canadian born, now American MIWNF (Mother I would not fuck): She went from Bret Michaels to Tommy Lee,eventually to Kid Rock, to some guy. Tommy Lee & Kid Rock get into a fight at the MTV Awards. Now Pamela is back with Tommy Lee.
What a circle of lust around a chick! Those guys should know better!
Never fall in love with a Rock star groupie!
Bango Cheito
06-23-08, 02:15
I must say based on what I've seen of my ex (who I'm on good terms with) trying to hook up again, I certainly do NOT think the deck is stacked in womens' favor here in NYC. Not at all, if anything it's STILL in the men's favor. It's just shitty all around though.
Jelly Donut
06-27-08, 12:02
I certainly do NOT think the deck is stacked in womens' favor here in NYC.
Absolutely.
There are plenty of American women out there - plenty of girls interested in a relationship and family. It's just that the prospects for American men are often better overseas. American men get to play out of thier league when they take the show on the road. This might be true for women as well, but, generally women are less likely to do that; less likely to tolerate foriegn guys then American men are to tolerate many foriegn women. I'd suggest it's easier for an American guy to get along with the telenovela games of, say, Colombian women than for American women to deal with Colombian machismo.
Bango Cheito
06-28-08, 00:20
Well women have higher standards than men do, so they are more likely to suffer it out and do nothing about it. Men are also much more likely to ***** and whine about things like this, hence, this thread ;P
My ex confided to me that after our divorce she knew she had to land another guy quick because she said as she would age the chances of finding a decent guy would diminish. She was 35 and knew from her older girlfriends that it gets tougher very quick
Other women I know said they'd not found guys to their liking and would go to the bar when they were "in heat" but otherwise did not want a guy full time unless he was of "their standard". And our gringas are less likely than us gringos to outsource what we can't get made in america.
It's difficult for women but they have made it so for themselves, Sex and the City is not reality for the majority of gringas.
It's much easier being a middle aged 20 pound overweight guy, than a middle aged 20 pound overweight woman.
Well women have higher standards than men do, so they are more likely to suffer it out and do nothing about it. Men are also much more likely to ***** and whine about things like this, hence, this thread ;P
Then why do so many AWs prefer to date losers (thugs and unemployed and so forth), if they have such high standards?
Bango Cheito
06-28-08, 05:11
Could be lots of reasons. That unemployed thug could be RICH, for one :P
Women have high standards but they aren't any more monogamous than men. Women usually shoot for having a guy that takes care of them financially and another guy or guys to give them strong children, and that way get the best of both worlds. Just like guys usually shoot for one at home who can do the home stuff and a girl or girls outside who can take care of the fuck stuff. It's the same game and it's played much the same too.
DJ FourMoney
06-28-08, 05:27
Then why do so many AWs prefer to date losers (thugs and unemployed and so forth), if they have such high standards?
Umm because almost everything they do is based on "feel". That's fine with the subject matter; there basically no "Right" or "Wrong" answer for.
But with hard, logical subject matter, that simply doesn't work...
They date "exciting men"; losers (not economic losers, social degenerates would be more accurate) because they own lives lack any "excitement" worth mentioning.
Younger women tend to go places to hang out, smoke weed, drink beer and trying to get that "handsome" guy in the corner interested in them. That's average women. "Hot" women are used to things handed to them on a silver platter and men early on are taught to put this women on a pedestal. It makes them difficult to deal with as adults socially.
The average Western European woman lives a similar lifestyle, but their lives aren't wrecked by unexpected child birth and are better educated because going to college didn't put their parents in the poor house in the process, not to mention you never hear the phrase "Poor College Student" come out of the mouths of many Europeans in general, its a fact of life that just doesn't happen.
Women that get "Free Rides" have a sense of entitlement that makes them unsuitable to date unless your an Alpha Male with the same or more sense of entitlement when it comes to access to top level women.
If your Joe Blow Average Man, that means you struggle at various levels dating locally. I'm not saying you can't date and you don't get laid, those are not the points. I'm saying your choices are limited, either by social status, education or income level, its a tough road to hoe in America. I mean its amazing not only do we have to struggle with regular social stuff like health care, its the class divide that makes it hard for one to date effectively as well, unless your uber rich which eliminates many problems at once (while making new ones of course).
So while some people on other forums MOCK me for supporting "Taking The Show On The Road", this forum is real as reality gets, or where the "Rubber Meets The Road". Porn sells are HIGH for a reason, people (especially men) aren't getting laid! Its not the subject of actually having sex. If you drop your standards down far enough you can find women to have sex with.
Its being tired of dropping your standards just to have a relationship and a source of regular sexual activity.
The "Mockers" like to point out the fact at 37 I live at home.
In American culture you know that screams = LOOSER
How come then I can find maybe 2 out of 3-4 FSU women over 30 still live with their parents or one parent? How come entire families around the world living together is NORMAL until you marry and even then you still might not move out, they just add another room!
This all comes back to the main reasons why we choose to not deal with the BS and let somebody else deal with it. Like I've said many times, this is foolish if you want to get married or be involved long term, but then again IS it foolish?
How many dates have you been on?
How many hours of you spent online?
How many times have you paid to have sex with somebody you found attractive instead of going through the motions with some hag you found in a bar or local nightclub?
When you add all that up, its a serious amount of money you just wasted and at the end of the day, what others see is social failure (living at home is 90% of that attitude) I see as I'm still alone (not lonely) not having sex on a regular basis (by choice), getting old (38 in Aug) and no closer to having my first child than I was 10 years ago.
That's when its time to take matters into your own hands, you can't afford to "Wait Around" for it, you have to make things happen and just be prepared when opportunity knocks.
I takes too long to stiff through the "garbage" to get to the "gold" in the US.
BOTTOM LINE!
Viva Chicas
06-28-08, 06:36
Hi DJ-
Interesting thoughts and concepts. You may be fairly close to the truth.
Things are SO much easier overseas, and cheaper. It does indeed take too
long to get thru the 'garbage' to get to the 'gold'. Actually, I think the best
you can actually get in the U.S or Western Europe is 'silver'. The real 'gold'
in my opinion is in Latin America (or Asia if that is your thing).
You are also right on getting out there, and getting the job done. Don't wait
for it to find you, go and find it and be a man. Your detractors are also
likely married in bad relationships with typical AW's. We should actually feel
sorry for them. Also, why would you want a re-cycled AW? She has already
been dumped and only in desperation to find another source of income is she
now talking to you. She didn't talk to you 10 years ago when she was prime.
Why talk to her now? Find a prime Latina in her twenties, and be happy and
not live with AW arrogance.
Take care, and GET IT DONE!!
Viva Chicas
DJ FourMoney
06-29-08, 11:23
Hi DJ-
Interesting thoughts and concepts. You may be fairly close to the truth.
Things are SO much easier overseas, and cheaper. It does indeed take too
long to get thru the 'garbage' to get to the 'gold'. Actually, I think the best
you can actually get in the U.S or Western Europe is 'silver'. The real 'gold'
in my opinion is in Latin America (or Asia if that is your thing).
You are also right on getting out there, and getting the job done. Don't wait
for it to find you, go and find it and be a man. Your detractors are also
likely married in bad relationships with typical AW's. We should actually feel
sorry for them. Also, why would you want a re-cycled AW? She has already
been dumped and only in desperation to find another source of income is she
now talking to you. She didn't talk to you 10 years ago when she was prime.
Why talk to her now? Find a prime Latina in her twenties, and be happy and
not live with AW arrogance.
Take care, and GET IT DONE!!
Viva Chicas
I'm not totally convinced by the pictures I see of say Columbians... Its like Brazil, the P4P chicks look better than the "non pros" that's discerning a bit.
I'm not a fan of Asian women as a first choice, my Phip friends keeps telling me I can go to the island and pick from many willing to be my other half, just not all that interested.
I have fallen for that Western culture standard of beauty, as flawed as that may be! - ;)
I like my women Caucasian...
Though I will give South America a fair shake before its all said and done.
Its really between dark haired, fare skinned latinas and Cauasian women of Germanic, Scandinavian or Slavic decent... There's a cute chica on an IR dating site I'm on from Spain and I'm considering hitting her up. I knew another hottie in Spain but she dropped off the face of the the earth...lol
My detractors actually are people I have never met in my life, just some bitter single AW women that don't like the idea of European women taking what few Black Men are available for IR.
You call it Recycled, I call it Damaged Goods, yes I rather not be a father to another man's child, but in certain circumstances its acceptable, I'm trying to be flexible. But my main focus is on -
23-28 Slavic women (though I did get an Email from a 21 year old Ukrainian girl on Elena's Models, guess I'll have to buy her email address...)
28-35 Western European women with a high priority put on those that are 25-28.
And Latin American or those of Latino decent in Europe from 22-28
No reason to look for women in their 30's when I don't even look 30 myself (when I shave, some grey is creeping in)!
Not quite full court press, but I am increasing pressure towards the end of the summer when I can finalize my travel plans and figure out what to do with my current job.
I like my women Caucasian...
Though I will give South America a fair shake before its all said and done.
Its really between dark haired, fare skinned latinas and Cauasian women of Germanic, Scandinavian or Slavic decent...
It is my honest opinion that most White women do not "age" well. I've had several White women tell me this. Compare a White woman woman in her early 40's+ to a Asian or Hispanic woman of the same age and the differences are quite clear.
Aw don't age well because the majority of them don't take care of themselves in the same manner as latin or asian women. Latin and asian women eat a much healthier diet than AW's and all thier prepared meals. It kills me every day to see an AW stop offf at the grocery store buy some prepared chicken, veggies and salads that are loaded with fat.compare this to asian and latin cultures were the majority or women cook fresh food every day.
Also women in those countries tend to walk alot more, walking definitely firms the leg muscles. AW's are lazy.
But there a disturbing trend, my panamanian GF tells me obesity is growing in latin countries because of the influence (advertising) of Mcdonald, pizza hut KFC, etc. So watch out in the future.
It is my honest opinion that most White women do not "age" well. I've had several White women tell me this. Compare a White woman woman in her early 40's+ to a Asian or Hispanic woman of the same age and the differences are quite clear.
"Black don't crack."
I like my women Caucasian...
Though I will give South America a fair shake before its all said and done.
Cauasian women of Germanic, Scandinavian or Slavic decent...
23-28 Slavic women (though I did get an Email from a 21 year old Ukrainian girl on Elena's Models, guess I'll have to buy her email address...)
Lots of Caucasian women in Buenos Aires of non-Latin descent, particularly of Ukrainian and German descent. Lots of Lebanese and Syrian blood too if you like that look. However, most (though certainly not all) Argentineans are prejudiced against blacks. Some of those would fuck you anyway but would not marry you. Lots of Caucasian non-Latins in Chile, too, but that country is much more sexually conservative.
It is my honest opinion that most White women do not "age" well. I've had several White women tell me this. Compare a White woman woman in her early 40's+ to a Asian or Hispanic woman of the same age and the differences are quite clear.
That is true only when all other things are being held equal. There are plenty of non-Whites who, because of the hard circumstances in which they live, do not age nearly as well, as wealthier Whites.
Especially the ones that do meth until their teeth rot out.
That is true only when all other things are being held equal. There are plenty of non-Whites who, because of the hard circumstances in which they live, do not age nearly as well, as wealthier Whites.
I agree. Whites like to spend a lot of time sun bathing and on Tanning beds......these sort of activities are not good for the skin.
DJ FourMoney
06-30-08, 05:47
It is my honest opinion that most White women do not "age" well. I've had several White women tell me this. Compare a White woman woman in her early 40's+ to a Asian or Hispanic woman of the same age and the differences are quite clear.
They don't, that's why you get them as YOUNG as possible
As my sister says "Black Don't Crack" I'll look 30 for awhile...lol
DH didnt see that, great minds thing alike, my sister going to Grad school at St John's....
DJ FourMoney
06-30-08, 05:54
Lots of Caucasian women in Buenos Aires of non-Latin descent, particularly of Ukrainian and German descent. Lots of Lebanese and Syrian blood too if you like that look. However, most (though certainly not all) Argentineans are prejudiced against blacks. Some of those would fuck you anyway but would not marry you. Lots of Caucasian non-Latins in Chile, too, but that country is much more sexually conservative.
I haven't ruled out ANYWHERE actually or really ANYBODY - :)
They don't, that's why you get them as YOUNG as possible
As my sister says "Black Don't Crack" I'll look 30 for awhile...lol
DH didnt see that, great minds thing alike, my sister going to Grad school at St John's....
Well you can marry 'em young, the question is what will they look like in their late 40's and 50's, 60's and 70's. You live in L.A, just look at the faces of some of the older White female Hollywood stars. A few White women have aged really well, but most have not.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_on_fe_st/heart_for_sale
This woman is selling her house and herself as a package deal on Craigslist! Notice the word "prostitution" is never mentioned. Just another self-proclaimed princess, going after her entitlement. E-Bay promptly removed her ad, but Craigslist let it ride.
It appears that the poor schmuck who falls for this rapidly aging increasing desparate (losing her looks and facing bankruptcy...watta catch!) hag's scam must pay $500,000 merely for the privilege of meeting her, with no assurances of anything in return other than a couple of dates. Hmmm, let's imagine how far that $ would go in LOS, Phil, China, etc...
" PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla. - She's tried night clubs and online dating sites, but now a 42-year-old single mother is looking for love where everyone else's heart is breaking — the real estate market.
After a year of trying to sell her four-bedroom home and eight years of singledom, Deven Trabosh is offering her South Florida home and a shot at marrying her on the Internet.
"I figured let's combine the ad because I'm looking for love and I'm looking to sell the house," said Trabosh, a Barbie-esque blonde who teeters around the nearly 2,000 square-foot house in patent leather heels.
"Marry a Princess Lost in America," Trabosh wrote in the ads she posted on eBay and Craigslist last week. She describes a life of romance and travel and a home decorated with vaulted ceilings, upgraded tile and a soaking tub in a gated community with a pool and tennis courts.
Trabosh, a licensed real estate agent who hasn't practiced in years, knew she would struggle to sell the home in the troubled real estate market, but insists her fairytale ad isn't just a sales gimmick.
"I'm struggling...I don't want to lose my house and I want to find somebody," said Trabosh, who changed her name in the ad to Traboscia to keep people from finding her in the phone book. "So I came up with this dream plan because I've always dreamt about being a fairytale princess."
She listed the home for $340,000 on a sell-it-yourself web site, but upped the price, adding a $500,000 shipping fee to include her companionship on eBay.
Trabosh says eBay removed her ad, though she planned to change the wording and repost it. Under the site's prohibited services policy, eBay does not allow the sale of human beings, body parts or relationships, spokeswoman Catherine England said Friday.
Trabosh hasn't received any serious offers, but says she's had nearly 500 responses, mostly positive, including one from Ottie of Surrey, England, who e-mailed to say, "You are offering the perfect life with the perfect American princess."
She whips out her laptop to show off a picture of Claudio, a handsome Italian wine and cheese taster, who she's been corresponding with since he responded to the ad. Seated on a white leather love seat in her living room, she giggles almost girlishly about him. They're hoping to meet in Miami in a few weeks.
She's gotten criticism too. Her 21-year-old daughter Haley says she just wants her mom to find love, but her 14-year-old daughter says her mother is embarrassing her. Other have e-mailed to say she's selling herself short.
"I'm not selling myself. I'm selling love...to meet that true love," Trabosh says. "Of course, it's gonna take more chemistry and connection. It's not going to be instantaneous that I'm just going to be automatically for sale...it's a package deal for true love."
Trabosh isn't the first to use the Internet to hawk the unconventional. A heartbroken Australian man recently tried to sell his life online, including his house, job and friends. Others have sold body space, promising to display advertisements for the highest bidder.
"There is a plethora of quirky ads on craigslist that pop up on craigslist every day, and this appears to be one of them," spokeswoman Susan MacTavish Best said in an e-mail. "Scads of couples have met and, thus, married through craigslist over the last twelve years sometimes marrying the person who bought their tired couch."
Ideally, Trabosh hopes a European man will close the deal and says she's willing to move overseas.
"I know I'm putting myself out there. I'm sincere. I believe in true love," she says. "I want to get married again."
On the Net:http://florence.en.craigslist.it/vac/725787925.html"
This might be good for DJ4. She's a little older than he wants, but he could move out of his parents' house, and plus she looks like she has big tits.
DJ FourMoney
07-01-08, 01:27
This might be good for DJ4. She's a little older than he wants, but he could move out of his parents' house, and plus she looks like she has big tits.
LOL
C'mon, I'm a bargain hunter too.
I have a feeling $500,000 will go a lot farther -
I could "import" a just as attractive (and younger) woman from Western Europe, in which she would sell off most of her stuff in say Germany (flat, furniture, car, etc), move to the US without any Visa issues. In fact, doing all the paperwork overseas is quick and painless.
In fact I think an attractive Slavic woman is a much better investment even if I had to pay for English lessons, enhance her education to be suitable for use in the Western world, teaching her how to drive and buying her a car.
Public Transportation is not an option in Los Angeles, unless you work Downtown.
But I do admire DH's suggestion of "Killing Two Birds With One Stone"
She does have a nice set titays, nice smile, but she does look over 30 and has two teenage daughters, sounds like 3 against 1 in most arguments, not good, especially if your not blood related (to the children).
There some desperate AW out there, they'll do just about anything. But I do remember watching Top Gear and I forgot who now, but somebody put their sister on Ebay and said she needed a ride to a wedding she couldn't afford to go too. So some RAF helicopter pilot bought her on Ebay, took her to the Wedding and they got married sometime later. Kinda bizarre but what does that say about our social system in terms of dating???
DJ FourMoney
07-01-08, 01:35
Ideally, Trabosh hopes a European man will close the deal and says she's willing to move overseas.
With the exchange rate between the Pound or the Euro, some Brit or lonely but attractive Western European dude could jump on this offer.
But as I said, is this much of a bargain?
When you get much younger, without any children and for much less of an investment in either South American or Eastern Europe???
DJ FourMoney
07-01-08, 11:10
Forget what women tell you, I just saw an ad on TV -
https://www.dreambody.tv/
Holy Shh, now even women who are suppose to be skinny/thin can let it all hang out on you once she's comfortable enough to undress in front of you.
Its a LIE, its a LIE, its a LIE!
Why not lie about the fact you over-eat or have other bad habits hidden with this product!
Only in America!
Hey DJ that gal seems pretty dumb so just speak with a fake British accent and she will never know the difference. Or tell her since you are African American that makes you European since Europe is right in between Africa and America.
DJ FourMoney
07-02-08, 20:29
Hey DJ that gal seems pretty dumb so just speak with a fake British accent and she will never know the difference. Or tell her since you are African American that makes you European since Europe is right in between Africa and America.
LOL, I don't want it that bad! I couldn't qualify for $500,000 home loan at the moment and the FHA would only go so far, its in a gated community per the story.
She did leave herself open on the "European" thing. I could pop up in a rented Benz, looking dapper and all and proclaim (when asked) I grew up in Germany...I know enough about Germany to fool her, lol
But in the end is it worth my time? HELL NO
And besides, no lender will lend on more than what the house is actually worth. They won't lend extra beyond that current-market-value on the way-inflated "worth" of what amounts to an introduction to some desperate worn-out chick whose best years are long gone. Not exactly solid marketable collateral a lender can bank on, LOL.
DJ FourMoney
07-03-08, 08:48
And besides, no lender will lend on more than what the house is actually worth. They won't lend extra beyond that current-market-value on the way-inflated "worth" of what amounts to an introduction to some desperate worn-out chick whose best years are long gone. Not exactly solid marketable collateral a lender can bank on, LOL.
Yep, thus my trip that I will try to keep under $3K for up to 90 days in Europe to conquer my future wifey (whoever that is...).
Much cheaper, even if you count relocation - :)
Tarius Shinobi
07-05-08, 22:46
I Love New York, I Love New York 2 ! & now, New York goes to Hollywood:
Reality tv continues to sink into the pits of Hell!
Can a real man really picture himself with this ugly "Attention Monger of a erohw"?
And to top it off, her ugly ass Pimp of a mother, who demands to be called "Sista Patterson".
New York's (Tiffany Pollard's) mother is also a fake, "Holier than thow" piece of Ghetto trash.
I feel sorry for New York's father!
Tarius Shinobi
07-06-08, 20:28
Interested ? Go to:
Http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/*****-sells-house/#more-1058
Don't forget the Kleenex.
Jelly Donut
07-10-08, 04:13
i read this bit and thought of a recent conversation with an american woman. she seemed set on the idea that i should be married and convinced the reason i was not involved a "fear of intimacy". i read this and thought it was funny. apparently after a certain point, with enough money in the bank, it's not a matter of fear. it's a matter of setting priorities.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/nyregion/07therapists.html?scp=5&sq=%24600+hour&st=nyt
“superbly well-to-do people tend to have much less of an impetus to work through things now,” dr. stone said. “they have so many opportunities to seek gratification that they’re not hurting in the same way. i’m thinking of a narcissistic and unmarried patient in his late 40s who, in another time and under most circumstances, you’d have said missed the boat. he could get gratification through his wealth and move from one model to another, so that he didn’t really need to maintain a relationship.”
that patient, dr. stone said, terminated therapy abruptly by way of a call — from his secretary — informing him that the man had left for africa on a spontaneous vacation.
moreover, the environments in which a lot of these patients have become successful do not necessarily leave them well equipped to benefit from the talking cure. “to generalize, it’s not the priority of people who are successful on wall street to be intimate,” dr. karasu said. “it is their priority to be aggressive. many will not open themselves up to intimacy even in love affairs. they are slow to trust anyone — even the therapist.”
So a friend of mine was telling me how one of his female friends likes to punk guys out like the TV show. She sets up a date and waits for the guy to call her and say "I'm here at the bar" or, "I am at such and such address." After she manipulates him around as much as possible she says "you got punked!" while talking shit to the unlucky fellow as she is hanging out at my friends house.
We both didn't find it too amusing and I was wondering what would happen if the dude hopefully catches up to her somehow. At least she lets you know you been played, instead of not showing or cancelling at the last minute, and blaming it on her mother/sister/grandma being sick and having to take care of them. All of which I personally have heard before here in America-AKA Sex Prison for men.
So a friend of mine was telling me how one of his female friends likes to punk guys out like the TV show. She sets up a date and waits for the guy to call her and say "I'm here at the bar" or, "I am at such and such address." After she manipulates him around as much as possible she says "you got punked!" while talking shit to the unlucky fellow as she is hanging out at my friends house.
We both didn't find it too amusing and I was wondering what would happen if the dude hopefully catches up to her somehow. At least she lets you know you been played, instead of not showing or cancelling at the last minute, and blaming it on her mother/sister/grandma being sick and having to take care of them. All of which I personally have heard before here in America-AKA Sex Prison for men.
Guys I hate to do this again. But America is not sex prison. I have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. Sadly I was never one of them (unattractive face, subpar social skills) at any rate I ventured out and found a second home in PI. Returned back to the States after a two year hiatus and my childhood friend had a picture of one of those dreaded American girls showing him her naked ass in his cell phone. Not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...What most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.
This Peter Cook guy must be the biggest loser ever. She gave him $2 mil+ in the divorce settlement, which will most certainly be ALL eaten up by taxes and lawyers fees. Geeezzzz we really should not blame AW for all our problems, AM deserve just as much blame because of the really stupid things we do.
Thursday, July 10th 2008, 9:20 PM
Christie Brinkley gambled and won. Taking this divorce into a public courtroom was a risk for Christie Brinkley, but at the end of the day she got everything she wanted - and then some.
Kids? Check. Property? Check. Revenge? Oh, check, check and check.
So Brinkley ended up shelling out $2.1 million to her dirtbag of an ex. It's a small price to pay for serenity.
Peter Cook's legal bills will make short work of the money. His business may suffer, given that Brinkley has for years been pimping him out as an architect to her wealthy Hamptons friends.
Even his Ralph Lauren-model looks are starting to fade and his perfectly coiffed hair is going gray. What woman is going to date a narcissist with no cash?
Nope, next stop on the Peter Cook train is a sad and lonely middle age in the valley of fallen men. He can rub elbows with Eliot Spitzer there.
This week has turned Cook into a public service announcement for dudes everywhere: Don't sleep with your intern.
It could go a little something like this:
"Hi, I'm Peter Cook. Two years ago, I lived in a $12 million mansion. I was married to Christie Brinkley. You may know her as one of the most beautiful women in the world. I had two gorgeous children and all the disposable income I wanted so I could play at being a celebrity architect in the Hamptons. Then I slept with my teenage assistant and lost it all. I've been publicly humiliated and exposed as a $3,000-a-month Internet porn addict who masturbated in front of a Web cam. Men, don't end up like me. Just say no."
Yep, Brinkley was all smiles coming out of that Islip courtroom.
Giddy as a school girl in her pink plaid skirt and matching sweater set, she carried a dinosaur diorama, the project she helped son Jack make for science class. She wielded it like a Play-Doh middle finger for her lying, cheating ex husband.
"I won, you perv," is what she wanted to say. Instead, she told the crowds gathered outside the courthouse, "I'm really glad that today we found some peace."
The light glinted off the silver peace sign earrings that swung from her delicate ear lobes. Brinkley looked like she had found some peace.
Now she can get rid of her rage. She's been victorious - and seems ready to move on.
When we asked if she had any plans to start dating again, she smiled and winked.
"Let's see how the summer goes," she said.
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/07/10/2008-07-10_beauty_killed_the_beast_in_christie_brin.html
CBGBConnisur
07-11-08, 18:59
Guys I hate to do this again. But America is not sex prison. I have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. Sadly I was never one of them (unattractive face, subpar social skills) at any rate I ventured out and found a second home in PI. Returned back to the States after a two year hiatus and my childhood friend had a picture of one of those dreaded American girls showing him her naked ass in his cell phone. Not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...What most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.
Uh sure. The US is a sex prison, its turning into a general prison anyway. I would not be surprised given the sharp disparity between Americans that the US turns into a divided network of zones where only certain people can enter. You already see gated communities in many parts of America. I have not yet seen such things in Australia or in most of Western Europe except maybe England. The US also attempts to tell the world that it is some symbol of Christian morality, the real America is very different. It has the highest rates of teen pregnancy, divorce, and drug abuse in the entire developed world.
I am glad I left and I ain't coming back, the golden times are over in the US.
Guys I hate to do this again. But America is not sex prison. I have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. ... Not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...What most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.
I also had a friend in college who was the object of LOTS of AWs throwing themselves at him. By age 26 he had sex with well over 100 different women, and had sex with each dozens of times.
The problem was that when I, and others not getting any, graduated, he was still on campus banging the ladies. When the ladies graduated, he was still on campus banging new ladies. There were other guys to whom the AWs gave the time of day and everything else under the suns and their clothes. These guys often compared notes about who they were banging and boasted about who screwed whom the most times. They were also still on campus after I and most others graduated.
No. The USA is not a 'sex prison' if you are willing to have sex with which ever women make it the easiest for you, and have sex when the women want, the way the women want. However, if a man in the USA wants to have sex that is also enjoyable to him, with women that he finds attractive, for her to please him half the time, to have sex when he wants to half the time, and do the things he wants to half the time, then that man will indeed find himself in 'sex prison'.
In short, for the man who wants to have a life, the USA is a sex prison.
Luckily for me, I am able to travel to asia quite frequently on business. In the last ten plus years I have always maintain a few women that I have affairs with. With AW, they are too materialistic and it is all about them and not you. If you step out of line, they go after you money, life and whatever they can take from you. It is very rare to find the gals with lots of money. There are very few, if so, they are not interested in sex/fun.
My key is to always maintain a few freebies with a few paybies just for variety. I prefer young beautiful wives of asian execs that tends to work 24/7 and dumb enough to ignore their lonely sexy wives and/or gf. Currently I am doing two (they even know that too.) very sexy and hot MILF's that have husbands that work 24/7. Cost is almost nil. One even book me into a five star hotel and pays for it.
Friends here in the US usually ask me what is the difference. I usually tell them that after the "deed", they usually go to the bathroom to get a warm wet towel to come back and clean me up. I usually then ask when their signif. Other last done that, if ever.
AW have a lot to learn and have a lot to learn how to maintain their sexyinsess. After marriage, they go from a size two to a size sixteen faster than a Nascar driver goes from zero to a hundred.
This is just my opinion.
As for Christy Brinkley's hubby Peter Cook. He was a real chump. A total idiot to mess up that relationship. He deserve to be poorer than the homeless guy.
DJ FourMoney
07-11-08, 22:22
Guys I hate to do this again. But America is not sex prison. I have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. Sadly I was never one of them (unattractive face, sub par social skills) at any rate I ventured out and found a second home in PI. Returned back to the States after a two year hiatus and my childhood friend had a picture of one of those dreaded American girls showing him her naked ass in his cell phone. Not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...What most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.
I was writing a reply yesterday when my PC decided it had enough and BSOD came up...
Anyway, to some people North America (The United States) is Sex Prison. Why do they feel that way? Because its much much harder to get laid for basically no reason. When the ugly and fat women give you attitude and make you work for the pussy like better looking women would that's appalling!
If your a decent looking man but don't have any real social skills, that's what you need to work on. Some may call it lack of self confidence. I don't think its that black and white. I don't fear talking to women at all, I just want obvious signs she's interested and American women have refined the art of not being interest in anybody if they are under 30 and have no children.
Its not they aren't interested in men, they aren't interested in men that don't meet certain SOCIAL STANDARDS.
Standards that have no overall bearing on the treatment they'll experience with that person. Rich men in other countries are heavy drinkers, brutish, potentiality connected to organized crime, lack any real personality and other social standards not acceptable (to women) if your bank account reads less than 6 digits.
In otherwords the balance of power is not in you favor.
If you are not a criminal, sperm donor and otherwise have your shit together, there's no reason why a nice looking woman shouldn't be interested in you.
But we all know that's just not the case...
But I think people mostly call the US Sex Prison, because we can show all kinds of suggestive imagines on TV, yet I can't show the cover a car magazine with a sex woman in a bikini on the front of it or a tit or a dick on TV.
Its patterns that make NO SENSE AT ALL!
DJ FourMoney
07-11-08, 22:29
This Peter Cook guy must be the biggest loser ever. She gave him $2 mil+ in the divorce settlement, which will most certainly be ALL eaten up by taxes and lawyers fees. Geeezzzz we really should not blame AW for all our problems, AM deserve just as much blame because of the really stupid things we do.
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/07/10/2008-07-10_beauty_killed_the_beast_in_christie_brin.html
Man some people!
Would you be happy with millions at your disposal and one of the hottest women in the world? Isn't Christy almost 60? She puts 30 year olds to shame! She may have been a stiff in bed and that's why he started looking at porn and playing hide the sausage with a late teens intern.
Who knows how some people think, people are strange and make no sense at all.
I read this bit and thought of a recent conversation with an American woman. She seemed set on the idea that I should be married and convinced the reason I was not involved a "fear of intimacy".
What about fear of boredom?
Man some people!
Would you be happy with millions at your disposal and one of the hottest women in the world? Isn't Christy almost 60? She puts 30 year olds to shame! She may have been a stiff in bed and that's why he started looking at porn and playing hide the sausage with a late teens intern.
Who knows how some people think, people are strange and make no sense at all.She may be a stiff, but for him to play so close to home... What the heck was he thinking about. With the money that he had from her, he could have jetted himself to pleasure in any part of the world.
With the divorce, and his settlement (after what is left after the divorce lawyer gets their share of it) he will not have enough money to take the friggin bus. Peter Cook is an idiot.
Guys I hate to do this again. But America is not sex prison. I have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. Sadly I was never one of them (unattractive face, subpar social skills) at any rate I ventured out and found a second home in PI. Returned back to the States after a two year hiatus and my childhood friend had a picture of one of those dreaded American girls showing him her naked ass in his cell phone. Not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...What most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.Ask former governor of New York Eliott Spitzer if he thinks New York or America is a sex prison. I don't fault the guy.
That's saying something when one of the most powerful men in the country loses his career and reputation because he paid for some nooky.
Man some people!
Would you be happy with millions at your disposal and one of the hottest women in the world? Isn't Christy almost 60? She puts 30 year olds to shame! She may have been a stiff in bed and that's why he started looking at porn and playing hide the sausage with a late teens intern.
Who knows how some people think, people are strange and make no sense at all.Unfortunately most AW who look this good, tend to be lousy lovers under the sheets. I can't say I blame the guy for straying. He probably was not getting much sex from her at all and I'm quite sure he wasn't getting any of the freaky stuff from her either. Problem solved, he could easily have taken sex trips to Thailand, Brazil, Costa Rico, FKK Germany....had his cake and eaten it too!!
Tarius Shinobi
07-12-08, 19:52
AW have a false sense of entitlement, that they think that their shit smells like roses! Whether they are fat, fugly, skinny or tinny:
Then you have these losers who get caught on that MSNBC show "To catch a predator".
C'mon,this show has been on the air for a while, and yet these guys still think they are hooking up with young girls.
You never hear about older women trying to have sex with young boys on the internet,but female teachers can have sex with their male students and get a "slap on the wrist".
A male teacher would damn near be castrated for that.
AW have been on this so-called "Pussy Pedestal" for so long,they need to be knocked off of it"!
Unfortunately most AW who look this good, tend to be lousy lovers under the sheets. I can't say I blame the guy for straying. He probably was not getting much sex from her at all and I'm quite sure he wasn't getting any of the freaky stuff from her either. Problem solved, he could easily have taken sex trips to Thailand, Brazil, Costa Rico, FKK Germany....had his cake and eaten it too!!
Brinkley is 54 years old, and Cook was husband number 4. Someone quoted a saying: "No matter how beautiful a woman is, there is at least one man somewhere who is tired of her." In Brinkley's case, there are at least 4 men who are tired of her.
There is a good reason that a woman as gorgeous as Brinkley was, and still is for her age, can't stay hooked up with rich attractive men.
Chocha Monger
07-13-08, 23:24
guys i hate to do this again. but america is not sex prison. i have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. sadly i was never one of them (unattractive face, subpar social skills) at any rate i ventured out and found a second home in pi. returned back to the states after a two year hiatus and my childhood friend had a picture of one of those dreaded american girls showing him her naked ass in his cell phone. not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...what most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.
d etat,
you are right, america is not a sex prison in the sense that sex is widely, if not easily, available. however, you must admit that the level of effort required to obtain sex is rarely worth it. the overall attractiveness of american women leaves much to be desired also. now i know guys who get tons of pussy but the quality of the females is definitely bottom tier at best. sometimes they score one of the better looking women but they put a fair amount of time and money into the effort. in a few cases these good looking women turn out to have “issues” and the whole thing blows up into “drama”. these guys work hard at low paying jobs because they spent so much time perfecting their “game” with females that they neglected their education. these were the cool guys in high school or even college. a few of them might have even turned out alright financially if it wasn’t for some woman they knocked up and who continues to dog them for child support at the slightest scent of a pay increase. they will always be 20-30% behind their peers economically for the next 18 or more years. those who try to see their children often find their ex-love determined to make it an insurmountable challenge. so if one wants to dress for the girls, talk in the way women like and drive what they like then one can have pussy galore. on the other hand, you’re not living for yourself and in a country that worships youth and shuns the old (35 yrs and up) the show can’t go on forever. as the easy sex dries up the players find themselves having to marry to secure a sure source of sex. now the fun really begins. once married their sweetheart becomes increasingly heavy and shrew. henpecked to death these men flee to the refuge of alcohol induced bliss or seek solace in the pussy of the nearest crack-head.
that is one side of the american story. the other side of the story has to with the guys who weren’t cool in school and couldn’t score the prime pussy. these guys actually spent time learning something and many are pretty well off. they’re fucking pretty gold diggers in abundance. it seems that they shouldn’t have any problems but they do. some of them want to marry but they can never be sure if women really like them or the good lifestyle they have to offer. after all, they know they weren’t chick magnets a few years ago. marriage for them represents a significant risk of getting fleeced. either way, you have a quandary. that’s the essence of sex prison. men win rarely or never. it is not a simple issue of sexual scarcity.
Chocha Monger
07-14-08, 00:06
Man some people!
Would you be happy with millions at your disposal and one of the hottest women in the world? Isn't Christy almost 60? She puts 30 year olds to shame! She may have been a stiff in bed and that's why he started looking at porn and playing hide the sausage with a late teens intern.
Who knows how some people think, people are strange and make no sense at all.
You never know when you’re on the outside looking in. My boss always went on and on about how he never cheated on his wife. When I visited him at his house things always seemed to be tranquil sometimes his old lady would even be kissing on him. The marriage appeared to be perfect.
Well, a couple weeks ago I was visiting him after he left the company. While making small talk over the grill he told me that he was getting a divorce and all along he had been fucking one of his female subordinates. I looked at him and laughed like, “Yeah right!” I seriously thought he was trying to play some crude joke on me. I expected him to say it was a joke the moment that I gave any indication of believing it. The last time I felt that surprised was when a cockroach made a hasty exit from my bowl of chips at a Mexican restaurant. However, my wait for the punch line was in vain. It was all true. I’d heard the rumors about him fucking the other woman and noticed that he never reamed her ass in meetings like he did everyone else when she screwed up. Then again, he was best buddies with her boyfriend and they drank regularly together. It turned out that he would sneak into the girlfriend’s bedroom and fuck her while the boyfriend was passed out from too much Jim Beam.
According to him, the marriage had been on the rocks for over a decade, he just never left because he wanted to raise his kid. Now, I wonder if all his swearing about marital fidelity was an attempt to convince himself, not me, that he was doing the right thing. Ironically, he used to make fun of my views concerning marriage in America. Now he’s looking at alimony around 65K/yr. My point is that you can never know what happens in a marriage, even when it seems like it is made in heaven, when you’re looking in from the outside.
My point is that you can never know what happens in a marriage, even when it seems like it is made in heaven, when you’re looking in from the outside.
65K/yr in alimony. This looks like a job for O.J. Simpson. Just kidding guys :)
Marriage is a crapshoot that’s why I am keeping my craps off the table. I already crapped out once no need to touch that hot stove again.
-The girl I had last night sure can't wrestle, but you should see her box!
-A woman's mind is cleaner than a man's - That's because she changes it more often.
-Women should have labels on their foreheads saying, 'Government Health Warning: Women can seriously damage your brains, genitals, bank account, confidence, and good standing among your
friends.
-Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another.
-99 percent of bar girls give the rest a bad name.
-Girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere.
-Youv'e been a bad girl, go straight to my room!
-A Nymphomaniac is a women as obsessed with sex as the average man.
-Women should be obscene and not heard.
-I believe that sex is a beautiful thing between two people. Between me and and four women, it's fantastic!
-The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money costs less.
D Dtat,
Scroll back over this thread and you will see many true stories that prove this is a Sex Prison.
Sure there is sex to be had. But it's not worth it. We are a sex hating puritanical culture at our core. Sex is feared, or leered at with the mentality of a 12 year old boy. Look at our mainstream films and how they handle sex.
Former NY Gov. Spitzer for sure: if it can happen to the rich & powerful it can happen to anyone. Guys get their car impounded for looking for a sex worker, then get the humiliation of their photo plastered all over the local websites and newspapers. Clinton was impeached for lying about a BJ.
IMBRA is an act of congress that makes all men guilty (sex predator) until proven innocent for the crime of seeking a foreign bride.
There are now US laws that prosecute men for being sex tourists abroad, in effect extending our laws abroad where they have no such laws. When a woman goes on a sex tour they make a movie about it and applaud her "getting her groove back".
Landmark case that was upheld by NY State Supreme Court that said that a guy who dated a woman for a few years and then they split, he had to pay child support for a child who was not even his! The reason given that he was a "father figure".
As CM aptly pointed out, the looks standard here is horrifically low. Go to E. Europe, China, Japan, many places. The average girl shopping at the supermarket would be considered a rare knockout here. Not only slender and attractive, but they really take the effort to dress & groom themselves in a pleasing manner, hair/nails everything. Go to a market here and the fat cows have thrown on some "track suit" (as if they ever break a sweat!) and look as if they just dragged themselves off the couch from watching Oprah who reassures them what poor victims they are. As a result, poor hapless AMs who don't travel have no idea they are being bamboozled, so they lower their standards and expectations. So sad.
Sex I can get for free abroad, in both looks and in quality of experience (meaning she being a great lay) is light years beyond what I'd have to pay for here, not to mention freebies here.
So yes, this is Sex Prison USA, maximum security at that. And don't blame the jailers ("authorities" as you call them), as they are nothing but a reflection of our culture which is dominated by feminists and religious conservatives.
D Dtat,
Scroll back over this thread and you will see many true stories that prove this is a Sex Prison.
Former NY Gov. Spitzer for sure: if it can happen to the rich & powerful it can happen to anyone. Guys get their car impounded for looking for a sex worker, then get the humiliation of their photo plastered all over the local websites and newspapers.
IMBRA is an act of congress that makes all men guilty (sex predator) until proven innocent for the crime of seeking a foreign bride.
There are now US laws that prosecute men for being sex tourists abroad, in effect extending our laws abroad where they have no such laws. When a woman goes on a sex tour they make a movie about it and applaud her "getting her groove back".
Landmark case that was upheld by NY State Supreme Court that said that a guy who dated a woman for a few years and then they split, he had to pay child support for a child who was not even his! The reason given that he was a "father figure".
As CM aptly pointed out, the looks standard here is horrifically low. Go to E. Europe, China, Japan, many places. The average girl shopping at the supermarket would be considered a rare knockout here. Not only slender and attractive, but they really take the effort to dress & groom themselves in a pleasing manner, hair/nails everything. Go to a market here and the fat cows have thrown on some "track suit" (as if they ever break a sweat!) and look as if they just dragged themselves off the couch from watching Oprah who reassures them what poor victims they are. As a result, poor hapless AMs who don't travel have no idea they are being bamboozled, so they lower their standards and expectations. So sad.
So yes, this is Sex Prison USA, maximum security at that.
I agree on average women overseas are more attractive and a man can find pussy of high quality and quantity very easy. Yes the American authorities do make it challenging to engage in sex. That being said if you willing to lower your standards you can still find sex in abundance. I know my girlfriend of two years if I had met her in the States would have probably never looked my way. That’s the nature of things.
DJ FourMoney
07-14-08, 11:23
I agree on average women overseas are more attractive and a man can find pussy of high quality and quantity very easy. Yes the American authorities do make it challenging to engage in sex. That being said if you willing to lower your standards you can still find sex in abundance. I know my girlfriend of two years if I had met her in the States would have probably never looked my way. That’s the nature of things.
I lowered my standards, sex was to be had on a regular basis if I kept my mouth shut.
I couldn't....
At least I can say the fat chicks I did fuck were attractive (in the face!)
Raising my standards to where I think they should be for a guy like myself, and what pussy?
The only free sex I've had was with a Ukrainian single mother that I had to fly to Kiev for...
The rest of it I paid for in Germany and the Hungrian woman, OMG she would blow any woman I've been with or dated out of the water, she came up to ME in FKK Palace and was pulling on my dick.... I didn't go to her, you figure it out and it was still BUSY in there! She made a BEE LINE for me.... PSE with a dash of GFE, couldn't have asked for more...
I haven't seen a live pussy SINCE, mostly by choice. Its been a year this month!
Now if I did some drastic things I could get laid, you know like pay inflated P4P prices or spend hours and hours in bars, clubs and places all around LA spending countless amounts of money.
Lowering my standards and trolling the BBW clubs would give me much better results but I no longer need to do that!
I could move out, but that goes with what CM was saying about doing the things "Women want you to do" in order to make your self social acceptable to them to date.
NO, NO and NO! I'm not playing that game!
They can kiss my ass, I'm marrying a foreign woman who doesn't care I live at home, who's 15 years my jr, never married, educated and NO KIDS.
Of course that means an EE woman...
If its a Western European women, it would look more like this -
Doesn't care I live at home, who's 5-7 years younger, skinny, never married or no longer involved with her ex-bf/hubby/sperm donor, maybe educated but not always (went to trade school instead).
Your choices are SOOO much better over there, than over here, CM would just say its a bad idea to bring them here. But in our favor, many EE/WE woman think American women are NUTTY AS A FRUIT CAKE, so there's not much fear into them totally buying into to what Oprah says, she can be seen overseas and the women I know don't watch her show...
Dude, you're never going to find a woman who doesn't care that you live at home.
CBGBConnisur
07-14-08, 16:50
D Dtat,
Scroll back over this thread and you will see many true stories that prove this is a Sex Prison.
Sure there is sex to be had. But it's not worth it. We are a sex hating puritanical culture at our core. Sex is feared, or leered at with the mentality of a 12 year old boy. Look at our mainstream films and how they handle sex.
Former NY Gov. Spitzer for sure: if it can happen to the rich & powerful it can happen to anyone. Guys get their car impounded for looking for a sex worker, then get the humiliation of their photo plastered all over the local websites and newspapers. Clinton was impeached for lying about a BJ.
IMBRA is an act of congress that makes all men guilty (sex predator) until proven innocent for the crime of seeking a foreign bride.
There are now US laws that prosecute men for being sex tourists abroad, in effect extending our laws abroad where they have no such laws. When a woman goes on a sex tour they make a movie about it and applaud her "getting her groove back".
Landmark case that was upheld by NY State Supreme Court that said that a guy who dated a woman for a few years and then they split, he had to pay child support for a child who was not even his! The reason given that he was a "father figure".
As CM aptly pointed out, the looks standard here is horrifically low. Go to E. Europe, China, Japan, many places. The average girl shopping at the supermarket would be considered a rare knockout here. Not only slender and attractive, but they really take the effort to dress & groom themselves in a pleasing manner, hair/nails everything. Go to a market here and the fat cows have thrown on some "track suit" (as if they ever break a sweat!) and look as if they just dragged themselves off the couch from watching Oprah who reassures them what poor victims they are. As a result, poor hapless AMs who don't travel have no idea they are being bamboozled, so they lower their standards and expectations. So sad.
Sex I can get for free abroad, in both looks and in quality of experience (meaning she being a great lay) is light years beyond what I'd have to pay for here, not to mention freebies here.
So yes, this is Sex Prison USA, maximum security at that. And don't blame the jailers ("authorities" as you call them), as they are nothing but a reflection of our culture which is dominated by feminists and religious conservatives.
So glad I left the USA, Australia has no such ridiculous laws with regards to bringing in foreign women. On the contrary the laws down under require the foreign wife to prove to the government that her intentions are sincere until she is given permanent residency status. Quite a contrast from the US where the moment the knot is tied, she's got a Green Card and ready to hit the road.
"Now if I did some drastic things I could get laid, you know like pay inflated P4P prices or spend hours and hours in bars, clubs and places all around LA spending countless amounts of money."
I couldn't agree with you more!!
And even if you did spend countless hours and amounts of money, there still wouldn't be any guarantee of getting laid with a girl of your liking. Most likely you'll end up with something on a sub-par level that you have to convince yourself (maybe by being drunk) that she's ok.
"NO, NO and NO! I'm not playing that game!
They can kiss my ass, I'm marrying a foreign woman who doesn't care I live at home, who's 15 years my jr, never married, educated and NO KIDS.
Of course that means an EE woman..."
It could also mean an L.A. woman (L.A. for Latin America, of course)
No one asked me, but they can kiss my ass too. Marrying a foreign woman can be among the best thing an AM can do now-a-days. Not only will the chances of her being 15 years (or more) your jr be a lot more possible, but being never married, educated with no kids also entirely so. Especially if she had a good upbringing, then that in itself should decrease her likelihood of assimilating into an AW troll if you were to ever bring her to our land of the free and home of the brave.
I pretty much do as Chocha Mongerer mentioned in one of his posts a couple of year ago - I go celibate for a few months until I am able to travel abroad and meet the beauties most of the world has to offer. I totally gave up on AW or Americanized Women (which are pretty much the same side of the coin). And the more women outside Sex Prison USA think AWs are "NUTTY AS A FRUIT CAKE" the better our hopes and chances for anything real increase.
Naked Gunz
07-15-08, 00:47
"Now if I did some drastic things I could get laid, you know like pay inflated P4P prices or spend hours and hours in bars, clubs and places all around LA spending countless amounts of money."
Hey Cyber. Don't forget about the "QUOTE" function homie..
I agree, but don't lose sight that the ultimate monger likes to get laid, not get married. Variety is the spice of life. Foreign or domestic, I will get freakin tired of any woman that's around a lil too long. Especially if she brings nothing to the table. For some reason every pair of tits is a better pair than the ones I can play with when I want.
Club scene..forget it. You better be SOMEBODY when you walk in to get AW attention. Before women started dancing with each other, that used to be your intro. If you can tear her away from her cell phone, you might get a word in. Drinks! Yeah right..at 5-10 bucks per-forget it. The last time I went to a club, I felt trapped in an episode of "Top Model". Women were to cute, so they thought ,to really party. Just a bunch a cunts chatting and bonding.
And I agree with DH; I wouldn't even respect myself if I still lived with my parents. Although I know it's the Italian way.
DJ FourMoney
07-15-08, 03:52
Dude, you're never going to find a woman who doesn't care that you live at home.
Actually that's untrue...
I know a local woman that doesn't care, its not like I'm trapped here.
If anybody cares to allow me to explain, they nod in agreement. Its a plan, its in motion and not caught up in lease agreements and rental agreements that to me is a waste of money and will not allow me the privacy and workspace I require.
I'm not quite sure what people demand out of me personally, I am not a criminal, I do not engage in illegal activity, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I have never struck a woman.
The fact that I am saving money for a future purchase shouldn't be a factor. I mainly don't date locally to avoid any confrontations on the fact some ho can't come over UNANNOUNCED (like so many AW tend to do) to me its actually a good thing and I shouldn't have to lay out some "ground rules" to prevent that from happening.
I keep saying and CM agrees I shouldn't have to cater to what AW want to make me acceptable to them. If that was the case, then turnabout is fair play, they should put down the comfort foods that increase their waist lines and backsides instead of me making them accept the fact they are overweight.
As it currently stands, I would have to sell my car and buy some POS bucket, eliminating a $342 monthly bill in order to get a reasonable priced apartment in decent and not crime ridden section of the San Fernando Valley, West LA or Hollywood.
Of course while fooling around with low paying jobs and driving trucks, I could have gone back to school, got a degree and work in a office environment which doesn't interest me.
I am basically still searching for my "place" in life, something I would be happy to do for the next 15-20 years. I have been constantly working since age 18 and was tired of going to school everyday.
When my father died, it afforded me an opportunity do some things it would have taken me a much longer time to do. Now I just have to able to afford the house payments and the property taxes it entails every 6 months. If it was just about buying a home, I could have settled with my father's bill collectors and kept his home in Stockton, CA for myself.
I was born in NoCal, but its been since the late 70's that I lived there full time and personally I'm not interested in living there. If anything I'll move further south into San Diego and wear my Raiders jersey around Gas Lamp District...
Are there women willing to build something with me?
Yes, which means me living at home with a goal isn't such a BAD thing to some women.
BTW, I can snap my fingers and get an apartment but I don't need that level of privacy.
DJ FourMoney
07-15-08, 03:58
Hey Cyber. Don't forget about the "QUOTE" function homie..
I agree, but don't lose sight that the ultimate monger likes to get laid, not get married. Variety is the spice of life. Foreign or domestic, I will get freakin tired of any woman that's around a lil too long. Especially if she brings nothing to the table. For some reason every pair of tits is a better pair than the ones I can play with when I want.
Club scene..forget it. You better be SOMEBODY when you walk in to get AW attention. Before women started dancing with each other, that used to be your intro. If you can tear her away from her cell phone, you might get a word in. Drinks! Yeah right..at 5-10 bucks per-forget it. The last time I went to a club, I felt trapped in an episode of "Top Model". Women were to cute, so they thought ,to really party. Just a bunch a cunts chatting and bonding.
And I agree with DH; I wouldn't even respect myself if I still lived with my parents. Although I know it's the Italian way.
I put a higher importance on what I drive, than where I live, simple as that.
Like I said before, I have enough for rent for the next 3-4 years in cash if I wanted to do it, but that would be a waste of money. I will leave here soon, but its for the reasons I choose and has nothing to do with self-respect IMHO.
Call me lazy or whatever but I'm not bringing down the mass opinion of American men by doing it my way, as unconventional as it may me to some.
I put a higher importance on what I drive, than where I live, simple as that.
Like I said before, I have enough for rent for the next 3-4 years in cash if I wanted to do it, but that would be a waste of money. I will leave here soon, but its for the reasons I choose and has nothing to do with self-respect IMHO.
Call me lazy or whatever but I'm not bringing down the mass opinion of American men by doing it my way, as unconventional as it may me to some.
Man nothing wrong with living at home and stacking chips. I would do it to but the problem with my family is they are good for nothing. Last time I did that it was throwed in my face. I landed my dream job and now they all love me :)
I put a higher importance on what I drive, than where I live, simple as that.
In my "youth" I used to think the same way. But realize this:
You can't live in your car.
Your car is a depreciating asset.
You really can't make money off your car, it's mainly a tool to get you from point A to B. So in the long run owning a house is a much better long term investment.
DJ FourMoney
07-19-08, 09:43
In my "youth" I used to think the same way. But realize this:
You can't live in your car.
Your car is a depreciating asset.
You really can't make money off your car, it's mainly a tool to get you from point A to B. So in the long run owning a house is a much better long term investment.
Correct!
Rent makes sense for some people, moving out of your home getting away from a family that either "gets in your way" or is shameful like D said forces many people out before they are ready.
Some people seem to think you need to struggle first because you can enjoy your successes.
I'm not into buying expensive luxury cars (as Bling mobiles), I agree most cars depreciate at a fairly alarming rate. Oh but what I wouldn't do to get a C63... :)
Anyway, the plan is to buy a home; down I got, paying for it is another thing. Some of it is fooling around all these years without ensuring a way I could make the money needed to support the lifestyle I want away from the family home. It was easy with 2 incomes (ex-GF), but that's foolish to think I need to cohabitate first before I buy a home. Nevermind that if I hook up with any girl that's not from Western Europe and that doesn't have a firm command of English, her earning power will be even below what people make at Wal-Mart...
A return to trucking is in the mix or working two medicore jobs (not ideal) to ensure I can invest more than 2/3rds of the money made into various forms of short term but safe investments.
Also so I can afford to spend 1-2 months in Europe without dipping into the long term savings account which I haven't touched since I returned from Europe last summer.
According to him, the marriage had been on the rocks for over a decade, he just never left because he wanted to raise his kid. Now, I wonder if all his swearing about marital fidelity was an attempt to convince himself, not me, that he was doing the right thing. Ironically, he used to make fun of my views concerning marriage in America. Now he’s looking at alimony around 65K/yr. My point is that you can never know what happens in a marriage, even when it seems like it is made in heaven, when you’re looking in from the outside.
I bet many of us on this site know guys just like this. What's odd is that, as I've been browsing some of the threads on this site, I've noticed an alarming trend of guys wanting to get married to their GFs they meet abroad, and looking for advice. If they, or anyone else thinking about marriage is reading this, I'd like to direct them to this clip, from one of the greatest stand-up comedians of all time:
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=SniOXFhwIZ8
I bet many of us on this site know guys just like this. What's odd is that, as I've been browsing some of the threads on this site, I've noticed an alarming trend of guys wanting to get married to their GFs they meet abroad, and looking for advice. If they, or anyone else thinking about marriage is reading this, I'd like to direct them to this clip, from one of the greatest stand-up comedians of all time:
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=SniOXFhwIZ8
If you are saying that there are guys on this site who want to marry women they met through mongering, then I completely agree. It is very dangerous and inadvisable to marry a prostitute. She views you as a wallet. You view her as a sex machine. These two views are very incompatible with the daily drudge of running a household.
For men who meet foreign women by non-mongering means, I disagree with you. At least in Latin America, it is far easier to meet a woman who is not materialistic and values the relationships with her husband and family for more than just potential money, than it is to meet such as woman in the US.
I recommend that American men look abroad for wives given that they prefer the married lifestyle. My caveat is that a US man probably should live with his foreign wife in her country. There are many feminazis in the US who are eager to convert normal foreign women into battled hardened man-haters out to rip off men by lying about domestic violence.
If you are saying that there are guys on this site who want to marry women they met through mongering, then I completely agree. It is very dangerous and inadvisable to marry a prostitute. She views you as a wallet. You view her as a sex machine. These two views are very incompatible with the daily drudge of running a household.
I totally agree with you. I've never understood why mongers marry prostitutes. Most prostitutes hate men, regardless of the way they make us feel. It's that deep hatred for men that allows them to fuck countless men day in day out. A prostitute who was developing real feelings for me, told me she could not see me again as a paying customer. Needless to say I did not see her for very long.....it totally screwed up her head.
Rubber Nursey
07-21-08, 03:42
it's that deep hatred for men that allows them to fuck countless men day in day out.
actually, it was my deep love of sex and variety and the touch of a stranger that allowed me to fuck countless men day in, day out. i don't personally know any sex workers who hate men. even the lesbian girls i've worked with don't dislike men. personally, i think that's a myth the feminazis tell you so you won't see us as anything more than a blow-up sex toy, devoid of emotion. (and then maybe you'll hate us as much as we supposedly hate you. score 1 for the soccer mums).
the problem with falling for a client is not about hating men. it's about crossing that line between personal and professional. if your therapist or doctor started falling in love with you, she would probably stop seeing you as a paying client as well. if the lines get blurred, things get confusing - and sometimes even dangerous.
I agree guys. I have been actively mongering in the US and Asia; there are several ladies both here and abroad that I started to "develop feelings" for. I have learned to check myself as soon as these thoughts enter my mind. For the reasons already so aptly stated. Lust isn't love and as much as my Thai GF likes me arriving every 2-3 months and is genuinely happy to spend time with me (and vice versa.) it really is about the bucks and the sex at the end of the day. I like her/ she likes me but that is as far as it goes. My thinking is that of doctor/patient or lawyer/client or something of this ilk. You CAN be friends with your doc or your attorney but when it comes to professional services. Well you get my point.
Actually, it was my deep love of sex and variety and the touch of a stranger that allowed me to fuck countless men day in, day out
You are one strange woman.
rubber nursey the keyword here is "most" hate men.
actually, it was my deep love of sex and variety and the touch of a stranger that allowed me to fuck countless men day in, day out. i don't personally know any sex workers who hate men. even the lesbian girls i've worked with don't dislike men. personally, i think that's a myth the feminazis tell you so you won't see us as anything more than a blow-up sex toy, devoid of emotion. (and then maybe you'll hate us as much as we supposedly hate you. score 1 for the soccer mums).
the problem with falling for a client is not about hating men. it's about crossing that line between personal and professional. if your therapist or doctor started falling in love with you, she would probably stop seeing you as a paying client as well. if the lines get blurred, things get confusing - and sometimes even dangerous.
Chocha Monger
07-21-08, 14:39
I was once told by a surgically enhanced AW who worked in a strip club that the strippers hate men and enjoyed exploiting them for cash via lap-dances and over-priced drinks. She said that many were lesbians high on the power of being able to get money simply by shaking their asses in men's faces. Some of it might be true but if you don't buy lady drinks or lap-dances the power argument loses strength rather quickly.
Rubber Nursey
07-21-08, 14:41
Rubber Nursey the keyword here is "most" hate men.
That makes absolutely no sense to me, AB. These women hate men, so they choose to have sex with them all day for a living? I don't get it. Where on earth does this man-hating wh*re myth come from?
Rubber Nursey
07-21-08, 14:43
You are one strange woman.
Errr...thanks. I think. :)
Tarius Shinobi
07-21-08, 18:33
I was once told by a surgically enhanced AW who worked in a strip club that the strippers hate men and enjoyed exploiting them for cash via lap-dances and over-priced drinks. She said that many were lesbians high on the power of being able to get money simply by shaking their asses in men's faces. Some of it might be true but if you don't buy lady drinks or lap-dances the power argument loses strength rather quickly.Hey Chocha Monger,
Your last sentence was right! Sometimes I go to the strip club with a pocket full of money! I drink "fake" beer, & I don't get any dances, I don't buy the dancers drinks. I just sit back like a Sultan, clap my hands twice while a dancer is on stage & I say "entertain me"!
Strippers hate it when a guy enters the club, has money & doesn't spend it on them! The power is ours & always will be!
Punter 127
07-21-08, 22:03
Actually, it was my deep love of sex and variety and the touch of a stranger that allowed me to fuck countless men day in, day out. I don't personally know any sex workers who hate men. Even the lesbian girls I've worked with don't dislike men. Personally, I think that's a myth the feminazis tell you so you won't see us as anything more than a blow-up sex toy, devoid of emotion. (And then maybe you'll hate us as much as we supposedly hate you. Score 1 for the soccer mums).
Hear! Hear!
That makes absolutely no sense to me, AB. These women hate men, so they choose to have sex with them all day for a living? I don't get it. Where on earth does this man-hating wh*re myth come from?
It makes perfect sense to me. These wh*res are not sleeping with men because they love 'em. It's all for money. This hatred helps them get through the daily chore of sleeping with all these men. You might call it twisted thinking, but a lady friend who owned a brothel told me........hmmmmm who on earth has ever been able to figure out women.
Doctor_Skank
07-21-08, 22:14
I don't personally know any sex workers who hate men. Even the lesbian girls I've worked with don't dislike men. Hate is probably too strong of a word, but I do imagine there is a lot of burnout in terms of losing respect for your clientel, just as a public defendant might start hating the people he has to defend in court or a waitress starts hating her patrons as a group.
But I have to agree with you... I haven't felt very much hate in dealing with prostitutes. The occasional one that doesn't like her job much or is having a bad day, but no hate. Mostly just a friendly customer relationship and surprisingly often a really fantastic rapport and a great time.
Women are women at the end of the day and I for one am very happy they make up 51% of the population.
Prostitutes who hate men are most likely those forced into the trade or those who somehow were damaged (disease, violence etc.) working. Their hate has less to do with the trade itself and more to do with the circumstances they are forced to work under. Nobody likes to be forced to do something.
Girls working on their own free will are more likely to view everything in a healthier manner. These are the kind of girls I seek out.
Chocha Monger
07-22-08, 11:07
It’s dangerous to marry any woman, prosty or not. Marriage is a business and you’ll always have to turn something over to the other party without ever being 100% sure of their intentions once the contract has been signed. The perceived danger with marrying a prostitute is that she may be more skilled than the average woman at making one feel good without having any genuine interest beyond the financial rewards. However, the real danger comes from the man. Can he separate business and pleasure? Will he always be suspicious of his former prosty? Is he jealous and capable of acting violently on those feelings of jealousy? Is he obsessed with the physical beauty or supposed submissiveness of his prostitute? He might be falling in love with the service rather than the person providing the service. His prosty might turn out to be completely different when not on the job. She might be providing certain things to clients that she is not crazy about but which she does anyway for increased customer satisfaction or greater financial rewards. She might not want to do those things in a non-paid capacity. Then there are her motivations for being a prostitute. Is she a prosty because she needs to finance a drug habit or shopping addiction? Maybe she is just not into monogamy and since you’re mongering you’re probably not either which raises serious questions for the both of you. Can she trust you not to be out fucking other prosties while you’re expecting her to stay at home playing the faithful little wife?
A lot of these issues apply just as well to “normal” women but it is a lot easier to ignore them and fool yourself into thinking that they’re not applicable. Marriage doesn’t change people’s habits or proclivities. In my life I’ve met women who were ruthless, deceitful and greedy, being a prostitute wasn’t a pre-requisite for any of those qualities. I’d say marry all the prostitutes you want as long as you’re being realistic and taking the necessary steps to protect self and wallet. In any case, you’re going to pay for the pussy.
Doctor_Skank
07-22-08, 11:27
I think the danger is two-fold just as you see it.
Will the guy be able to handle the fact that his loving missus has sucked a gazillion cocks or had sex with guys better-equipped and skilled than he is?
Will she still consider turning some tricks to get some mad cash? (assuming he wants her to quit the business)
What if her old job (assuming kept secret) comes out and the neighbors start talking?
Lots of issues that could come up. Would take a strong relationship and some very level-headed people to come to terms with it.
Not sure I could, even despite best intentions.
Rubber Nursey
07-22-08, 11:32
Hate is probably too strong of a word, but I do imagine there is a lot of burnout in terms of losing respect for your clientele...
But I have to agree with you... I haven't felt very much hate in dealing with prostitutes. The occasional one that doesn't like her job much or is having a bad day, but no hate.
Thanks, Doc. :) I agree with everything you said. (Except women make up 54% of the population in Oz! There's a man drought!!!) I absolutely DO NOT believe that 'most' hookers hate men. It's all part of the fantasy.
Actually, we probably like you guys more than the average woman does! We know what you want and where you're at. We understand you. I've heard several thousand mens' life stories over the years and it wasn't in polite conversation. They were naked. Raw. Emotional. They trusted me to never repeat their story (and I never would) so I've heard it all. I think so much like a man, it does my head in.
Anyway, this is going a bit off topic (although the Morality thread would love to hear from you if you have more to add!) What I originally wanted to say, before I saw AB's post and went off on a tangent, was that I think a 'regular' girl is more dangerous than a wh*re when it comes to seeing you as a wallet.
I would think that 'foreign' women who do not work in the sex industry (and therefore, do not earn two or three times the average weekly wage) would be more likely to see you as a meal ticket than a hooker, who generally needs more than money (ie. love) to walk away from sex work and settle down with one man.
Rubber Nursey
07-22-08, 11:38
Chocha/Doc - well said. Your posts made me cry (see the Morality thread for more information). You're totally right. Men need to be sure that THEY can handle a relationship with a wh*re/ex-wh*re before they talk about marriage.
Rubber Nursey
07-22-08, 11:41
Hear! Hear!
PS. Thanks, Punter 127! :)
Rubber Nursey
07-22-08, 11:53
Strippers hate it when a guy enters the club, has money & doesn't spend it on them! The power is ours & always will be!
You walked into the club in the first place, mate. You sit there and watch because no 'regular' woman is willing to shake their arse in your face. The power is theirs. Get over yourself.
Tarius Shinobi
07-23-08, 03:05
You walked into the club in the first place, mate. You sit there and watch because no 'regular' woman is willing to shake their arse in your face. The power is theirs. Get over yourself.You have no idea what 'regular' women do for me! And I am free to enter any strip club that I please! If I want to hold onto my money, I can do that too.
You don't know what you are talking about!
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Bango Cheito
07-23-08, 06:28
Can we stop the ad hominem shit and get back on topic PLEASE?
I dunno why you guys would pooh-pooh what RN says, she's in a MUCH better position than ANY of us to know what she's talking about. Most of us can only ASSUME what those girls REALLY think about us because they are going to be real nice to us no matter what, for business reasons. When she comes in with INSIDE INFO we should be eating it up!
Anyways I also agree that you're more likely to get a gold digger by marrying some Latin American barrio girl than by marrying a professional sex worker, by FAR. Sex workers already HAVE their own money first off.
I also find it supremely ironic; here we are, a site dedicated to PAYING FOR SEX and we have all these dudes in THIS section complaining about AW's supposed lack of monogamous tendencies? Monogamy? WTF does ANYONE on this board have to do with that? I strongly STRONGLY suspect none of you motherfuckers on here really WANT monogamy. I know I for one sure as fuck do not!!
? Monogamy? WTF does ANYONE on this board have to do with that? I strongly STRONGLY suspect none of you motherfuckers on here really WANT monogamy. I know I for one sure as fuck do not!!
Yeah I smell what you are cooking and I am ordering seconds....
DJ FourMoney
07-23-08, 10:05
Can we stop the ad hominem shit and get back on topic PLEASE?
I dunno why you guys would pooh-pooh what RN says, she's in a MUCH better position than ANY of us to know what she's talking about. Most of us can only ASSUME what those girls REALLY think about us because they are going to be real nice to us no matter what, for business reasons. When she comes in with INSIDE INFO we should be eating it up!
Anyways I also agree that you're more likely to get a gold digger by marrying some Latin American barrio girl than by marrying a professional sex worker, by FAR. Sex workers already HAVE their own money first off.
I also find it supremely ironic; here we are, a site dedicated to PAYING FOR SEX and we have all these dudes in THIS section complaining about AW's supposed lack of monogamous tendencies? Monogamy? WTF does ANYONE on this board have to do with that? I strongly STRONGLY suspect none of you motherfuckers on here really WANT monogamy. I know I for one sure as fuck do not!!
Hey I do!
But I see both sides of the coin.
Prostition is a Service Industry... In that sense, it provides me with a service I don't mind paying for but deep down wish I didn't have too, which is why I haven't explored it further locally thus far (trip to TJ in the very near future).
There is a certain amount of risk in any relationship, nothing is fool-proof.
I ain't the one complaining about AW's lack of "monogamous tendencies". I'm complaining about the qualifying list that is lengthy and unessassary because it doesn't guarantee lasting happiness or martial bliss.
It usually set you up for failure, hence all the divorced women in America....
I can dabbled in erotic services it doesn't mean I rather not be married, quite the Contrary....
DJ FourMoney
07-23-08, 10:13
Thanks, Doc. :) I agree with everything you said. (Except women make up 54% of the population in Oz! There's a man drought!!!)Interesting, always wanted to visit, thought I would go home disappointed though. Its on the "To Do List" however.
I think there's a "man" shortage everywhere but America, where we are outnumbered but not nearly as in-demand. In fact those of us on the "Road Show" barely put a "dent" into "Missing" or "Where are all the good men" argument that's out there.
These women could care less and only complain about a lost or missing man when we come back with a foreign born gf or bride.
Rubber Nursey
07-23-08, 18:25
Interesting, always wanted to visit, thought I would go home disappointed though... Its on the "To Do List" however.
Don't bother, DJ. Most of those women are over 50. :)
What a pair these two make!
First, she wants a divorce because she (supposedly) can't take the infidelity anymore. An affair with a 50 yr old hag named "Madonna" being the straw that broke the proverbial camels back.
But now, it's like she wants to give things another try? I'm not buying it for one second. She's had this whole divorce thing planned .... and probably right from the get-go. I mean, the guy just signed some huge deal worth like $250 million bucks about a year ago. I'm betting that she thought she'd wait for about a year..... to make it look good. Then she springs the trap!
But maybe, just maybe A-Rod had some dirt on HER? Word was going around as to how he might have hired some kind of detective and had her followed. I also heard how she wanted to see any records that may have been made as a result of said surveillance. Guess what? One week after that, they (meaning she) decide to "give it another try" ..... for the kid's sake, of course.
This whole thing reeks.
Comments?
Rock
DJ FourMoney
07-24-08, 10:12
http://web.gc.cuny.edu/history/pages/profs/Herzog.html
I heard about her on Thom Hartmann's show, click on her interview very INTERESTING to say the least and completely spot on, I was wondering if anybody else has noticed this but US, but I guess somebody has...
What a pair these two make!
First, she wants a divorce because she (supposedly) can't take the infidelity anymore. An affair with a 50 yr old hag named "Madonna" being the straw that broke the proverbial camels back.
But now, it's like she wants to give things another try? I'm not buying it for one second. She's had this whole divorce thing planned .... and probably right from the get-go. I mean, the guy just signed some huge deal worth like $250 million bucks about a year ago. I'm betting that she thought she'd wait for about a year..... to make it look good. Then she springs the trap!
But maybe, just maybe A-Rod had some dirt on HER? Word was going around as to how he might have hired some kind of detective and had her followed. I also heard how she wanted to see any records that may have been made as a result of said surveillance. Guess what? One week after that, they (meaning she) decide to "give it another try" ..... for the kid's sake, of course.
This whole thing reeks.
Comments?
Rock
You know A-Rod just signed up with a major Hollywood talent agency to explore his acting options after baseball. So Maybe the whole Madonna affair/divorce thing is just publicity like Miley Cyrus and her father taking pics together.
You gotta admit that ole sea hag Madonna looks good lately and knows a thing or two about reinventing oneself.
Some other weird pairings in the recent past are Eddy Murphy and Babyfaces' ex-wife- WTF on that one.... Michael Strahan squiring the ex Mrs. Murphy around NYC ? I mean, heres a guy who got taken to the cleaners from his ex-wife in an embarassing court battle, going out with another golddigger who took Murphy to the cleaners, who's going out with high maintenance Babyfaces' ex. She might not even be a real female anyway. And Tom Brady dumping pregnant Bridget Moynahan for some model.
Anyone notice how many NBA coaches have models for wifes?
Derek Jeter certainly has the right idea - living in Trump Tower like a friggin Majarajah with no one to answer to.
Jelly Donut
07-25-08, 00:42
This whole thing reeks.
Comments?
The Wall Street Journal got the story right. It's not about Madonna (who is, surprise, represented by the same agency) it's about the money.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121667673378471533.html
Frankly, I'm so cynical I think A-rod really loves his wife and she really loves him, and this is all just a stunt to help him expand his earnings.
Happy Chappy
07-25-08, 11:43
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Thanks, Doc. :) I agree with everything you said. (Except women make up 54% of the population in Oz! There's a man drought!!!)
Interesting point about Australia RN, this "man drought" is getting a lot of media attention in Australia. Many over 30 women are saying that there are no decent Australian men for them. IMO it is more to do with them being particularly fussy.
For example the typical 30 yo woman will often only consider up to about 35 as their first preference, possibly a few years later if you are lucky. Perhaps they should broaden their horizon to guys in their 40's? Even a guy as a 35 yo, what incentive is their to go out with a girl about the same age? He still has a decade or so to perhaps decide if he wants to go down the having children route. Does he really want a girl who may pressure him within a year or two about his desire to start a family? These days a guy around this age can get laid o/s on cheap holidays and if he wants to start a family around 40 yo well he doesn't face the ticking clock dilemna so much.
So the typical Aussie girl in their 30's is searching in an age range that increasingly men are not interested in them.
Then consider the fact an increasingly large portion of Australians are immigrants, and often Asian/Indian. I am not sure if I have ever seen a caucasion Aussie woman date an Asian or Indian man in Australia? But caucasion men are more than happy to date Asian/indian women. I also rarely see women date "larger" men, considering Australia is the most obese nation in the world that also cuts down their available dating pool.
Of course then there is the fact that the guy must be "financially secure", ambitious yet not totally focused on work. Funny but know when to take things seriously. In touch with his metrosexual side but know when to behave like a man. Probably needs to one day know that he wants to start a family too. He should be physically active yet not be a gym junkie. He should take pride in his appearance yet not spend too long in front of the mirror.
etc etc
if you do not believe me check out the dating sites in Australia, the list of demands are endless.
This "man drought" is partially a result from Aussie men heading to mining jobs in isolated areas, or perhaps heading overseas for their careers.
One wonders if these men would have headed to the mines or overseas for their careers if there were women in their origianl hometown that showed some interest in them! My guess is the same women were very attractive in their 20's, spent all their time chasing the same good looking "player" type guys. Now they are in their 30's these "player" type guys are chasing the younger women. So now the 30's women want the nice guy with plenty of bucks to potentially settle down and raise a family with. Problem is that this guy has plenty of money behind him, probably went through years of the same girls ignoring him, so has moved on to other options such as overseas jobs, mongering and so fourth.
I agree there is definately a mand drought in Australia, but I do get tired when some girls whinge about it, it is pretty clear how it eventuated. But if you are a 35 yo male and are really keen to meet a woman about the same age with the possibility of getting married soon and having kids, the dating pool is very large for you.
Think I will just spend the next decade or so mongering and enjoying the company of beautiful asian women 10 years younger than me. If it all becomes boring well maybe then I will consider settling down and becoming the family man.
I know this is the American women thread and not Australian women, but I thought some of the themes above might also be relevant to the U.S.
Rubber Nursey
07-25-08, 15:37
Interesting point about Australia RN, this "man drought" is getting a lot of media attention in Australia. <snip> This "man drought" is partially a result from Aussie men heading to mining jobs in isolated areas, or perhaps heading overseas for their careers.
Just for the record, I wasn't complaining about the so-called man drought - I just added it because, as you pointed out, it's a bit of a 'buzz word' here at the moment. Actually, I live in one of those isolated mining areas you mentioned and I can assure you...there ain't no man drought in these parts! ;)
I agree with everything you said about what Aussie women demand from Aussie men - but I could say exactly the same thing about you guys. A nympho with limited previous partners? Independent and smart, but subservient? A 30 year old with the boobs and thighs of a 19 year old? You only have to read the comments on this thread to see that some of you guys are definitely on a par with women in the fussy stakes!
PS. I wouldn't trade Aussie men for the world.
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