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Geneva Guy
10-18-23, 15:43
This is from a girl in Madagascar.
Have you seen this before?HPV genital warts yikes most I have ever seen.
GG.
Carnal Urges
11-07-23, 17:52
Hi all. Looking for help and not here to argue whether BBFS is right or wrong or crazy or not. There are tons of debates about that already. Only asking from a curiosity viewpoint. My questions are down below.
Personally though I do notice that condoms are a barrier to the great skin to skin feel, an insulating barrier that's good for some STD prevention but poor for feeling exchange and triggering the sensitive nerves to their max height.
I notice that they can also hold back a release especially if a huge load and even more with a condom that is too small when they're providing it, constricting things, like the erection has to fight against the tight condom to stay up. Worse when being rushed or a bad attitude worker. No problems completing the task but it's more of an effort compared to without one.
My curiosity and part shock is that there are places like apartments, some clubs and escorts where the girls allow BBFS. Even in Europe. Attractive girls too. Not some ugly junkies either.
I can't figure out why they allow that so excuse me if it's just too obvious to others.
#1. Aren't the girls afraid of the possible negative health outcomes?
#2. And aren't they worried about getting pregnant? Or maybe they can't get pregnant. Or maybe they use a dam. Or maybe they time it to their cycle.
#3. Or do they require the customer to pull out or the customer just assumes they have to do that? I would guess though that some customers would not pull out. Or are the generally allow to just CIP?
Speaking of that. Same questions about the girls in porn where you see BBFS and CIP. Maybe it's possible that both persons are tested frequently so the girls don't worry about the possible negative health issues? The question still stands about them being worried or not about getting pregnant.
As you can see I'm clearly in confusion about this and I need some sex ed here so thanks to anyone who can help!
Parasitius
11-08-23, 13:16
My curiosity and part shock is that there are places like apartments, some clubs and escorts where the girls allow BBFS. Even in Europe. Attractive girls too. Not some ugly junkies either.
I This is really, really, really unbelievably simple. They do BBFS for the exact same reasons guys who hire them want to inspite of also facing all the same risks and dangers. There's literally nothing more to it than that they're human and it feels better and is more thrilling.
This idea you have that sex is primarily done based on detailed and careful considerations and introspective logic is what is completely off the hook false and delusional. A lot of people aren't introverts and aren't highly educated and will never have so much reflection in their life as your post suggests imo.
Carnal Urges
11-13-23, 22:29
Thanks for your input. It helps. I mentioned that I am still needing some sex ed with different things so please forgive me. I look forward to some input from other members too. Maybe they will have something different to add. Thankx all.
This is really, really, really unbelievably simple. They do BBFS for the exact same reasons guys who hire them want to inspite of also facing all the same risks and dangers. There's literally nothing more to it than that they're human and it feels better and is more thrilling.
This idea you have that sex is primarily done based on detailed and careful considerations and introspective logic is what is completely off the hook false and delusional. A lot of people aren't introverts and aren't highly educated and will never have so much reflection in their life as your post suggests imo.
This is really, really, really unbelievably simple. They do BBFS for the exact same reasons guys who hire them want to inspite of also facing all the same risks and dangers. There's literally nothing more to it than that they're human and it feels better and is more thrilling.
This idea you have that sex is primarily done based on detailed and careful considerations and introspective logic is what is completely off the hook false and delusional. A lot of people aren't introverts and aren't highly educated and will never have so much reflection in their life as your post suggests imo.That is not in my opinion the main reason and therefore not really true.
These are the more likely reasonings, and I am from Vienna, where, BBFS is one of the most prevalent in Europe.
1) One of the countries, and you can check anywhere, with the most BBFS in legal prostitution is Austria, more specifically Vienna. One of the reason is that Vienna / Austria has less HIV cases, particularly if you count out the homosexuals. HIV people are registered and also take medicine which is almost free here if your working due to the social insurance. Again this is not saying it is not happening just less likely to happen in a country say Austria than a country in Africa. So people are more at ease. Again for example Germany doesn't have this and its social status is very similar to Austria, but it is a peace of mind that it is here rather than in again some country in Africa continent.
2) The second major part is that BBFS costs extra. Often double the price. So the average price of a 1 hour in a fast place like Laufhaus or private brothel is around 120 Euros right now with cover, with BBFS your paying double of that as an extra. And yes to answer your question BBFS naturally allow CIP. It doesn't mean that will happen, but its basically a right you purchase along with BBFS. And most of the girls do not do some cycle or whatever, they have a dam inside or IUD.
Are they concerned with their health risks? I am sure they are, but sometimes it is also that they are desperate, but also again with the above risks of getting disease and having crossed off pregnancy some will take the risks. Theres ofc not just HIV as an issue, there's other STDs, but most of them are curable, whereas HIV is not (well it is nowadays but it doesn't go away, its just 'controlled'.
So that's the major reason really and the effects.
Carnal Urges
12-11-23, 21:35
Tefnx. Thank you very much for the helpful reply and your EU perspective. There are interesting points there and that is why I came here to ask. Thanks again!
That is not in my opinion the main reason and therefore not really true.
These are the more likely reasonings, and I am from Vienna, where, BBFS is one of the most prevalent in Europe.
1) One of the countries, and you can check anywhere, with the most BBFS in legal prostitution is Austria, more specifically Vienna. One of the reason is that Vienna / Austria has less HIV cases, particularly if you count out the homosexuals. HIV people are registered and also take medicine which is almost free here if your working due to the social insurance. Again this is not saying it is not happening just less likely to happen in a country say Austria than a country in Africa. So people are more at ease. Again for example Germany doesn't have this and its social status is very similar to Austria, but it is a peace of mind that it is here rather than in again some country in Africa continent.
2) The second major part is that BBFS costs extra. Often double the price. So the average price of a 1 hour in a fast place like Laufhaus or private brothel is around 120 Euros right now with cover, with BBFS your paying double of that as an extra. And yes to answer your question BBFS naturally allow CIP. It doesn't mean that will happen, but its basically a right you purchase along with BBFS. And most of the girls do not do some cycle or whatever, they have a dam inside or IUD..
I've just got back from Brazil and as always after every trip I get a health screening, as it's free to do in my country.
While in Brazil all my encounters were fully covered and no mishaps occurred, but I always partake BBBJ's. Although showing no signs I was surprised to test positive for Chlamydia and negative for HIV, gonorrhoea and syphilis.
This was 100% contracted via BBBJ's, which although I was aware of the possibility I always thought highly unlikely.
So just a cautionary tale, it is worth getting tested regularly and don't assume not doing BBFS is all you should think about.
I'm posting this under a new profile for reasons I won't go into.
I used to do threesomes in the 70's, 80's and 90's but around the early 2000's girls started to ask to change the condom after entering each girl which is a mood killer. Did the girls request this?This is why when I usually do 2+ girls I well get them to get their friends. They are not going to invite a girl to do bareback if they know they are dirty. Also, see my previous post about PrEP + Doxy to be nearly STI proof if you pair that with vaccines. I BB girls 90% of the time or more. I might wipe it off between girls, but really, I don't even like doing that. LOL.
That particular Guatape trip, we were all so high, I don't think people even thought about condoms.
This is why when I usually do 2+ girls I well get them to get their friends. They are not going to invite a girl to do bareback if they know they are dirty. Also, see my previous post about PrEP + Doxy to be nearly STI proof if you pair that with vaccines. I BB girls 90% of the time or more. I might wipe it off between girls, but really, I don't even like doing that. LOL.
That particular Guatape trip, we were all so high, I don't think people even thought about condoms.Thanks YYZ, can you please expand on why you start and how often you take PREP and Doxy before and during your trip to Medellin and other locations? Also do you think it is better to get these in USA or to buy locally in Medellin? I understand prescription may not be needed in Medellin, but in USA expensive doctors visit may be needed to obtain prescription before getting it from pharmacy.
AmericanPi
08-30-24, 15:52
Hey man,
I won't reply to your post using the Reply function because it was a long post and it'll take up the whole page. But let me say a few things.
Thanks for writing it. Yes long timers like me know most of that stuff but new people need an intro now and again.
Valle is indeed awesome. I wish more people took a day to go. Bring a girl with you. Maybe from HK. You'll have the best food and thank you sex in your life.
Tijuana gets a lot of crap for being dangerous from people, specifically people who have no idea what they're talking about. It's not that hard to avoid danger. You walk in safe tourist areas. You Uber to and don't wander around in unsafe areas like zona. And you only go places with police presence and tourists. And for gods sake know that if you're too drunk you just need to stay indoors. These are rules that apply to any big city.
That fast lane at the border is for global entry holders. I wouldn't go to Tijuana if I didn't have global entry. I don't have time to stand in like for 3 hours to cross.
And lastly, it's time for my occasional public service announcement. You didn't win anything any convincing a Mexican prostitute to give you BBBJ and BBFS. That's not a score. You might have some new STDs you didn't already have. Because she also sucked off the guy before you with herpes and now you've got that. I love BB as much as the next guy but that's for girlfriends. A Mexican prostitute who bangs 5 guys a day is just a vector for transmission. It doesn't matter that she gets tested at the club. She's doing BB with people like you. You're not the first to ask, and you're not the first to get it, probably even that day.
And lastly, it's time for my occasional public service announcement. You didn't win anything any convincing a Mexican prostitute to give you BBBJ and BBFS. That's not a score. You might have some new STDs you didn't already have. Because she also sucked off the guy before you with herpes and now you've got that. I love BB as much as the next guy but that's for girlfriends. A Mexican prostitute who bangs 5 guys a day is just a vector for transmission. It doesn't matter that she gets tested at the club. She's doing BB with people like you. You're not the first to ask, and you're not the first to get it, probably even that day.Agreed, shagging prostitutes bareback is not something to be proud of, in the contrary should be taken as a failure and so should not be discussed in public, in my opinion. I did do my share of mistakes and I always feel petrified about it afterwards. I do lose control randomly but would never post about it online anymore.
And lastly, it's time for my occasional public service announcement. You didn't win anything any convincing a Mexican prostitute to give you BBBJ and BBFS. That's not a score. You might have some new STDs you didn't already have. Because she also sucked off the guy before you with herpes and now you've got that. I love BB as much as the next guy but that's for girlfriends. A Mexican prostitute who bangs 5 guys a day is just a vector for transmission. It doesn't matter that she gets tested at the club. She's doing BB with people like you. You're not the first to ask, and you're not the first to get it, probably even that day.For sex with tutes I use condoms for vaginal and anal intercourse. But, I like to go no-condoms for BJs and look for tutes who will do that.
LuvMexicanas
08-31-24, 00:08
Agreed, shagging prostitutes bareback is not something to be proud of, in the contrary should be taken as a failure and so should not be discussed in public, in my opinion. I did do my share of mistakes and I always feel petrified about it afterwards. I do lose control randomly but would never post about it online anymore.You do you and let others do as they please. His dick, his time, his money and if he likes BBFS he can post about it all he wants.
Agreed, shagging prostitutes bareback is not something to be proud of, in the contrary should be taken as a failure and so should not be discussed in public, in my opinion. I did do my share of mistakes and I always feel petrified about it afterwards. I do lose control randomly but would never post about it online anymore.Today's young mongers have my sympathy. I had been mongering for close to twenty years before I first used a condom which was the day Magic Johnson announced he had AIDS. So I barebacked hundreds of working ladies before I started to cover up. There is so much frightening stuff going around in today's world. Mental pressure after the fact is too great for me to bb a hooker nowadays. Nevertheless, I am fortunate enough to say I've been there, done that.
AmericanPi
08-31-24, 15:54
You do you and let others do as they please. His dick, his time, his money and if he likes BBFS he can post about it all he wants.This is a discussion board. This is how it works. It'd be boring if people posted stories and opinions and the only acceptable responses were verbal head nods or silence.
Yes it's his money and his dick and he can do as he wishes. But that's besides the point. If after doing as he wishes he posts about it in an online discussion group, discussing is part of the purpose.
You do you and let others do as they please. His dick, his time, his money and if he likes BBFS he can post about it all he wants.Reason why I put, "In my opinion" did you read it? One can do whatever, in my opinion, it is wrong to post about it like it is a triumph.
Today's young mongers have my sympathy. I had been mongering for close to twenty years before I first used a condom which was the day Magic Johnson announced he had AIDS. So I barebacked hundreds of working ladies before I started to cover up. There is so much frightening stuff going around in today's world. Mental pressure after the fact is too great for me to bb a hooker nowadays. Nevertheless, I am fortunate enough to say I've been there, done that.The negatives outweigh the pleasure and so makes the risks too high. When you post about it like you have triumphed, now that makes it wrong. That goes for any of the habits that can hurt you in the long run, alcoholism, drug addiction, internet addiction, food addiction, heck even sadly "sex addiction" which in my belief most of us mongers are ailing from it.
On a slightly differnet topic regarding the VIP Card, I just looked at what both HK and Bar Tropical offer with their VIP cards and it looks like a 70% discount on Monday and Tuesday. I seem to remember that it was an 80% discount and included Wednesday and Thursday.
Have the discounted days changed, or is my memory that bad?The 80% discounts Monday and Tuesday used to be 90% some 5 years ago. Now they are at 70%. The rest of the week you get 20% discounts. HK VIP works in Rizo also, the reverse is not true.
For sex with tutes I use condoms for vaginal and anal intercourse. But, I like to go no-condoms for BJs and look for tutes who will do that.The risks from BBBJ are a lot less than BBFS.
LuvMexicanas
08-31-24, 19:47
Reason why I put, "In my opinion" did you read it? One can do whatever, in my opinion, it is wrong to post about it like it is a triumph.Quoting yourself with "my opinion" is weak because it doesn't give you carte blanche to censor others. You can't have it both ways. If you're going to post your take or opinion as you say, then certainly he can post his own.
LuvMexicanas
08-31-24, 19:52
This is a discussion board. This is how it works. It'd be boring if people posted stories and opinions and the only acceptable responses were verbal head nods or silence.
Yes it's his money and his dick and he can do as he wishes. But that's besides the point. If after doing as he wishes he posts about it in an online discussion group, discussing is part of the purpose.This is a discussion board. Hence, I'm against censorship so when someone calls out a post, I can do the same to that poster. See how that works?
LuvMexicanas
09-01-24, 04:32
I have never paid extra for BBFS. Always happens naturally. But then again I have the advantage of being able to visit the zona frequently so I have more opportunities and gain familiarity with the girls. Once in a blue moon it'll happen on the first shot.
The most recent examples was when I took a foam show girl arriba for the first time. I asked if she would do BBBJ and we agreed on 100. After she blew me she put the rubber on me and we started fucking but I lost my boner. She asked if it was because of the rubber and I said yes. There was a misunderstanding because she then yanked the rubber off, so I thought she was giving me the go ahead to stick it in bare, so I did. She asked what was I doing and I said putting it in since you took the condom off me. She said she was actually going to blow me instead so I could finish that way, but I kept my dick inside of her the entire time we were talking. She wasn't backing away so I started rocking it back and forth and she said fine go ahead just don't cum inside of me LOL. I ended up shooting my load on her ass when I had her in doggy. Ended up giving her $20 tip for giving me the green light on BBFS, so $120 in total.
The last one, earlier this month, there was this girl I had hooked up with about three or four times. Each time BBBJ but with CFS. One night I caught her pretty inebriated and took her back to my room. We started making out and then went down on each other. We were in the heat of the moment and neither of us could find any rubbers. She said she had one in her purse but couldn't find it. I usually have one on me but for some reason didn't have one this time. She got frustrated trying to find the one she had so she told me to just go ahead and put it in. She said she's on birth control so I finished inside of her. $100 total. BBFS ever since.Be careful talking about BBFS because the safe sex police might try to cancel you.
AmericanPi
09-01-24, 07:49
This is a discussion board. Hence, I'm against censorship so when someone calls out a post, I can do the same to that poster. See how that works?I don't think that's the gotcha you think it is.
Anyways keep taking them trips and sharing them stories. It's why we are all here. Also to discuss.
This is a discussion board. Hence, I'm against censorship so when someone calls out a post, I can do the same to that poster. See how that works?You let yourself worked up for nothing. Your head is spinning for a none issue. Chill. Again bare-backing prostitutes is not a triumph unless you are old and do not care. There I said it. If you still want to post about it, knock yourself out the field is all yours.
Now tell me how your day went.
LuvMexicanas
09-01-24, 15:08
You let yourself worked up for nothing. Your head is spinning for a none issue. Chill. Again bare-backing prostitutes is not a triumph unless you are old and do not care. There I said it. If you still want to post about it, knock yourself out the field is all yours.
Now tell me how your day went.It seems you're getting bent out of shape. This was never about me so your field is all yours comment is bizarre. It was me calling you out for shaming another poster and trying to censor him.
It seems you're getting bent out of shape. This was never about me so your field is all yours comment is bizarre. It was me calling you out for shaming another poster and trying to censor him.How is your day going?
Didier5810
09-12-24, 22:31
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/rr/rr7302a1.htm#text=In%20 three%20 large%20 randomized%20 controlled, gonococcal%20 infections%20 by%20 approximately%2050%25.
Hi guys, I'm planning to come to Medellin soon and I'm planning to meet some girls I talk to on tinder so they can spend 2 weeks with me.
I wanted to know if STDs are very common here and if it's possible to get them tested because I would like to have sex without condoms with them.The best response I can give to you is to request from the girl somewhere where you both can get tested prior to BBFS. If you are in the Poblado area I'm sure the Las Vegas clinic would provide STD testing.
... clinic would provide STD testing.Just look at your dick itself and see if any sores, or if you cannot piss or piss razor blades, then you have the clap. Go buy some penicillin / amoxillin yourself, its over the counter in Colombia. Herpes if not treatable with penicillin, you need to get some Acyclovir and smear over the sore. Yes, I am a doctor.
Just look at your dick itself and see if any sores, or if you cannot piss or piss razor blades, then you have the clap. Go buy some penicillin / amoxillin yourself, its over the counter in Colombia. Herpes if not treatable with penicillin, you need to get some Acyclovir and smear over the sore. Yes, I am a doctor.If you are a doctor then why are you telling him the wrong shit?
If he has the clap he should not take penicillin or amoxicillin. The recommended fist line medication is Doxycycline 100 MG twice per day for 10 days and a 500 MG I'm injection of ceftriaxone. Both are available without a prescription in Colombia and they can administer the injection in a back room at the pharmacy for like $5.
Alternatively azythromycin can be taken instead of doxycycline 1500 MG taken all at once plus the ceftriaxone is not first line defense anymore but it still works.
Also taking doxycycline 100 MG once per day as a Pre-exposure profilaxis will stop gonorrhea from ever happening in the first place. Just make sure to eat something when you take it or it will fuck you up. It also keeps malaria from starting too if you would happen to be in an area where malaria is endemic. And in my experience it is also clearing up my acne and pimples that I used to have. Also look into getting a vaccine called Bexsero which is actually for Meningitis but has been shown to be up to 40% effective against bacterial gonorrhea.
For herpes acyclovir cream won't do shit. You want to get the pills not the cream but actually you want Valacyclovir as it works much more efficiently. Get the 1000 MG valacyclovir pills (genfar or MK and AG brands are fine) and take two per day (once every 12 hours) as soon as you feel an outbreak coming on, preferably before any blisters come up. Take the valacyclovir for 5 days and then you will see that the blisters stopped before they even started. There are currently several vaccines for HSV2 (genital herpes)in development by companies such as moderna and others and they are in phase 1 and phase 2 trials at the University of Pennsylvania in the US but they may be several years away from being approved and available to the public.
I'm not a doctor but I know these methods are tried and true from my own personal experience over the years.
Gabacho.
Just look at your dick itself and see if any sores, or if you cannot piss or piss razor blades, then you have the clap. Go buy some penicillin / amoxillin yourself, its over the counter in Colombia. Herpes if not treatable with penicillin, you need to get some Acyclovir and smear over the sore. Yes, I am a doctor.LOL A doctor who seems to advise that all STDs are easily identifiable and you don't need to get tested. I hope you have no patients LOL. I suspect you don't LOL.
At Gabacho.
Do you have list of medicine you take weekly or monthly for proactive.
See you get several in Jakarta local shop.
Are no side affects if you taking doxycycline azithromycin as you taking before any issues.
What list of medicine is in your kit, if you able to get HIV prep and any others for proactive medicine where you get.
If you doing raw most of time ask as Jak has HIV.
And many Chinese foreigner visiting Jak.
Hello guys,
I have a newbie question LOL.
I am over 40 got divorced and trying to catch up with things I lost in my life.
All my life I didn't have to use condoms. But since I am meeting girls I always use one.
Is it normal that my dick is little itchy after sex in condom? Even one day after?
I am not used to it. When having bareback nothing like this happens.
Is something wrong or it is just my head overthinking?
Where do you buy Doxy‑PEP / doxycycline (200 MG)? Trying to be safe for myself and others, it so hard to buy. Places I go to say I needed to test positive first, no one was would subscribe or sell as a preventative measure.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hiv-prevention-drug-lenacapavir-yeztugo-approved-fda/
HarryReams
06-20-25, 03:23
Your odds of catching hiv in Indonesia is virtually zero unless your doing MM sex or with Waria's. Look at the odds virtually zero.
https://www.hudsonvalleycs.org/calculating-your-hiv-risk-by-the-numbers/
At Gabacho.
Do you have list of medicine you take weekly or monthly for proactive.
See you get several in Jakarta local shop.
Are no side affects if you taking doxycycline azithromycin as you taking before any issues.
What list of medicine is in your kit, if you able to get HIV prep and any others for proactive medicine where you get.
If you doing raw most of time ask as Jak has HIV.
And many Chinese foreigner visiting Jak.
Hello guys,
I have a newbie question LOL.
I am over 40 got divorced and trying to catch up with things I lost in my life.
All my life I didn't have to use condoms. But since I am meeting girls I always use one.
Is it normal that my dick is little itchy after sex in condom? Even one day after?
I am not used to it. When having bareback nothing like this happens.
Is something wrong or it is just my head overthinking?To me it seems like you have an allergy to the material in the condom. I don't think this is normal, but an allergy to latex or some other material will make you itchy like that.
But I do look forward to the posts in a few years about why all the ladies are asking 500 K to 1 million tip, how the dollar or other western currencies have lost their purchasing power against the rupiah, or how most ladies refuse to go with bule / other foreigners now and are Chinese or Indo only ladies.The whole reason why classic is so popular is because people know that BBFS is available there. If they started actually enforcing a strict condom policy or charging 500 k or 1 juta for BBFS the place would go out of business.
Do you really think all those Chinese dudes are using condoms?
If they tried to make us use condoms we would all just go to lokasari or the train tracks or build a semi-pro network like I have. And then classic wouldn't have 10% of the customers it has now. Basically just the guys who want to use condoms would be the only guys still going. Just like travel. I don't patronize the place but numerous people have reported that they even use Condoms for blow jobs and also they have a declining clientele. I remember some guy saying he couldn't get into classic wearing a tanktop but he was able to get into travel wearing his tanktop and then another poster said travel was hurting for customers. Well why do you think they are hurting for customers? It's obvious there is a direct correlation between condom enforcement and losing customers.
Also as a side note to the guy who mentioned an HIV scars at travel in 2008, I was just reading that the FSA just approved a new medication that is 100% effective against HIV and it's an injection you get twice a year called lenacapavir. It's basically a functional cure if you already have it and it's a functional vaccine if you don't have it. Here's a link to an article about it:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2025/06/18/hiv-epidemic-new-shot-fda-approval/84240744007/
This isn't 2008 this is 2025 and we have more tools to protect us.
-Gabacho.
„The drug will be marketed under the name Yeztugo and sell for an annual price of $28,218, or $14,109 per injection. ".
This means it's going to cost about 1000 per injection in the free world. Still a lot of money for most people.
Cowboy Bebop
06-23-25, 04:27
Thank you Gabacho and Safado70 for the info on lenacapavir / Yeztugo.
Here's me hoping that the "$40 per person per year" cost for lenacapavir mentioned in this CNN article becomes reality soon.
Here's me also hoping that there will soon be easy and cost effective preventions for pregnancy and STD's (Human Papillomavirus, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, Herpes, Trichomoniasis.).
Maybe there already are easy and cost effective preventions for pregnancy and STD's, and I'm just not up-to-date and readily aware of them, and therefore I need to read-up more and educate myself.
Basically, here's me hoping that BBFS becomes more and more less-risk and less-stress.
"......Gilead Sciences, maker of the drug, announced that a twice-a-year injection of lenacapavir has been approved in the United States for HIV prevention under the brand name Yeztugo. In clinical trials, the drug was found to dramatically reduce the risk of infection and provide near-total protection against HIV, significantly more than the primary options available for pre-exposure prophylaxis or PrEP.......Therapies called PrEP have been used to prevent HIV infections for years. In the United States, this may involve taking pills, such as a daily medication called Truvada, or getting shots, such as injections every two months of the medication Apretude. But a twice-yearly shot of lenacapavir has now become another option in the prevention toolbox making it the first and only such shot for HIV prevention.......One study published in November in the Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy found that for treatment, lenacapavir costs up to nearly $45,000 per person per year without insurance, as an average wholesale list price but it could be mass-produced for less than $100 per person per year......The team of researchers behind the study projected a possible minimum price based on the drugs current ingredients, production models and cost models. They demonstrated that lenacapavir could be mass-produced for up to $93 per person per year, potentially falling to about $40 per person per year if voluntary licences are in place and competition between generic suppliers substantially improves........Voluntary licensing and multiple suppliers are required to achieve these low prices, the researchers wrote in the study abstract. This mechanism is already in place for other antiretrovirals." (https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/18/health/hiv-lenacapavir-fda-approval)
The whole reason why classic is so popular is because people know that BBFS is available there. If they started actually enforcing a strict condom policy or charging 500 k or 1 juta for BBFS the place would go out of business......If they tried to make us use condoms we would all just go to lokasari or the train tracks or build a semi-pro network like I have......Also as a side note to the guy who mentioned an HIV scares at travel in 2008, I was just reading that the FSA just approved a new medication that is 100% effective against HIV and it's an injection you get twice a year called lenacapavir. It's basically a functional cure if you already have it and it's a functional vaccine if you don't have it. Here's a link to an article about it........This isn't 2008 this is 2025 and we have more tools to protect us.
The drug will be marketed under the name Yeztugo and sell for an annual price of $28,218, or $14,109 per injection. ".......This means it's going to cost about 1000 per injection in the free world. Still a lot of money for most people.
Thank you Gabacho and Safado70 for the info on lenacapavir / Yeztugo.
Here's me hoping that the "$40 per person per year" cost for lenacapavir mentioned in this CNN article becomes reality soon.
Here's me also hoping that there will soon be easy and cost effective preventions for pregnancy and STD's (Human Papillomavirus, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, Herpes, Trichomoniasis.).
Maybe there already are easy and cost effective preventions for pregnancy and STD's, and I'm just not up-to-date and readily aware of them, and therefore I need to read-up more and educate myself.
Basically, here's me hoping that BBFS becomes more and more less-risk and less-stress.The price Safado mentioned would be without insurance coverage, if you were to buy it completely out of pocket. As with all new medications they often have very expensive prices when they are first available and then become more affordable as time goes by. I remember when Viagra was $30 usd per pill, now you can get 30 Viagra pills for peanuts at Costco.
Gabacho.
Steve 9696
06-23-25, 15:38
The drug will be marketed under the name Yeztugo and sell for an annual price of $28,218, or $14,109 per injection. ".
This means it's going to cost about 1000 per injection in the free world. Still a lot of money for most people.I am amazed at how many straight guys are worried about HIV. Do your research. The odds of catching HIV from pussy sex are 4 in 10,000. And that's if she has active HIV. Multiply that by the odds that a girl has HIV (that's how statistics work) and your def much more likely to be hit by lightning. I am not exaggerating. Totally serious. Much more likely to be hit by lightning.
Of course if ur taking cum in the ass from strangers then by all means prep up!
You are using the lower value of a broad range of imprecise estimates. But most importantly: I only have pussy sex, but my risk factors are way higher than the plain vanilla sex which is the basis of population wide average calculations. When I travel for sex, I literally fuck till my dick bleeds. Don't you think that this might influence transmission rates?
Anyway, I'm currently in Pattaya, fucking 80% bareback. This little blue pill box I got at Pulse clinic in second road gives me an incredible peace of mind, for a very low price and no side-effects at all. What else could I ask for?
I am amazed at how many straight guys are worried about HIV. Do your research. The odds of catching HIV from pussy sex are 4 in 10,000. And that's if she has active HIV. Multiply that by the odds that a girl has HIV (that's how statistics work) and your def much more likely to be hit by lightning. I am not exaggerating. Totally serious. Much more likely to be hit by lightning.
Of course if ur taking cum in the ass from strangers then by all means prep up!A Thai ex-GF who's a doctor and had several hiv and aids patients liked to claim even if you get hiv, it's not really that serious anymore with today's medicine. So even less reason to worry?
On the other hand, 30 days of hiv prep costs 800 baht (USD 25?) or so in Thailand. Not having to worry about this incurable disease even a little bit after every time I have sex with someone, and keep worrying till my next std test, is worth it to me.
Maybe I should worry more about getting hit by lightning, but that I cannot do anything about, while for 800 baht it's fairly easy to do something about the former.
HarryReams
06-24-25, 10:56
Hiv is like Covid so treatable. The odds of infection are like your powerball numbers winning 1st division. The only winners are the fear mongers and big pharmacy companies whom I bet are on this forum stoking fears and that you must buy prep you must buy this pill and that pill.
A Thai ex-GF who's a doctor and had several hiv and aids patients liked to claim even if you get hiv, it's not really that serious anymore with today's medicine. So even less reason to worry?
On the other hand, 30 days of hiv prep costs 800 baht (USD 25?) or so in Thailand. Not having to worry about this incurable disease even a little bit after every time I have sex with someone, and keep worrying till my next std test, is worth it to me.
Maybe I should worry more about getting hit by lightning, but that I cannot do anything about, while for 800 baht it's fairly easy to do something about the former.
There were stats googling found more than 600 k hiv+ in Jakarta few years ago.
Hiv is like Covid so treatable. The odds of infection are like your powerball numbers winning 1st division. The only winners are the fear mongers and big pharmacy companies whom I bet are on this forum stoking fears and that you must buy prep you must buy this pill and that pill.
There were stats googling found more than 600 k hiv+ in Jakarta few years ago.In a city (metro area) of over 30 million people.
Do the math.
600,000/30,000,000=. 02.
So one fifth of one percent of the population. I'd be willing to bet some other cities in the world have a lot higher percentage per capita of HIV positive people in their populations.
But regardless of statistics or prep, if someone wants to strap up it's a personal choice. So strap up if you want to or don't if you don't want to. It's all about personal preferences and respecting each other's wishes.
Gabacho.
In a city (metro area) of over 30 million people.
Do the math.
600,000/30,000,000=. 02.
So one fifth of one percent of the population. I'd be willing to bet some other cities in the world have a lot higher percentage per capita of HIV positive people in their populations.
But regardless of statistics or prep, if someone wants to strap up it's a personal choice. So strap up if you want to or don't if you don't want to. It's all about personal preferences and respecting each other's wishes.
Gabacho.If you look at the formal govt health statistics 599,998 or those a foreigners, so what's the problem?? 😜.
G.
If you look at the formal govt health statistics 599,998 or those a foreigners, so what's the problem?? 😜.
G.Lmao so red hot chilli peppers is just referring to all the bules in Jakarta LOL.
Makes. Sense now.
Expat American
06-26-25, 06:23
There were stats googling found more than 600 k hiv+ in Jakarta few years ago.Its not 600 K. Its like about 66 K. Take what risks you want or not but at least quote the correct statistics.
In a city (metro area) of over 30 million people.
Do the math.
600,000/30,000,000=. 02.
So one fifth of one percent of the population. I'd be willing to bet some other cities in the world have a lot higher percentage per capita of HIV positive people in their populations.
But regardless of statistics or prep, if someone wants to strap up it's a personal choice. So strap up if you want to or don't if you don't want to. It's all about personal preferences and respecting each other's wishes.
Gabacho.First, what people want to do is between them and their consenting legal aged provider. That said, while your numbers are technically true it leaves out some important qualifiers; 30 million people are not bare backing between 3-10 random dudes off the street 7 days a week. Certain communities in Jakarta are going to have a higher prevalence of STI's because of the behaviors in those groups. E. g. The trans community in Jakarta has a highest rate of HIV because as a group they engage in the riskiest behaviors. A lot of us on this board just so happen to swim in the same pool that also has a high prevalence of STI's relative to the general population. A better formula would be to calculate the total number of SW who bare back have STI's vs how many from the total pool P4P dudes see them. The starting point for your odds of catching something are actually use that number as basis to add and subtract additional factors. Depending on the source, as far as Asian countries go, Jakarta has the highest level of STI's. Again, I am not telling people what to do, I am just laying out the facts. I have occasionally partaken but I do try to lower my odds when I do it.
I gave up Truvada a few days into my HIV-PreP as it made me sick. Now my stomach has started hating doxycycline after one-month use. I changed from DoxyPeP 200 MG to DoxyPreP 100 MG daily, but to no avail. Even when I take it after a meal I get stomach-ache at once. It feels like I were growing a peptic ulcer.
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