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I've had a bunch of PMs asking where I've disappeared to and requesting some reports of my visits over the last 2 months.
I have a backlog of about 10 reports dating back to my tour with Angus in October. Angus did such a great job documenting it, but hey, he's a newbie outside of Bbbbbbberlin and it deserves a veteran perspective. LOL
Well, life has been hectic these last couple of months but should be quieting down now with the holidays coming up. No promises, but I hope to start churning them out in the next couple of days.
So to my legions of fans- Patience
I've had a bunch of PMs asking where I've disappeared to and requesting some reports of my visits over the last 2 months.
I have a backlog of about 10 reports dating back to my tour with Angus in October. Angus did such a great job documenting it, but hey, he's a newbie outside of Bbbbbbberlin and it deserves a veteran perspective. LOL
Well, life has been hectic these last couple of months but should be quieting down now with the holidays coming up. No promises, but I hope to start churning them out in the next couple of days.
So to my legions of fans- Patience
Whew! We thought you might have to spend so time with your family to explain your transgressions. LOL! So, how did you get those scratches?
Yes. In fact Globe in Zurich and FKK Palace at Gisikon/Root both describe themselves as FKK.
The best of the German versions are larger, generally cheaper, and have better facilities and a better lineup.
Quite a few of the well known girls in German FKK have worked at Globe or Palace (CH) before.948804
Do you agree with that post?
So, how did you get those scratches?
What scratches? Oh these. Must have been when I plowed my expensive SUV into a fire hydrant and the neighbor's tree while being chased by a mad golf club swinging Swedish lady.
Iseeu ( who's sometimes called "Tiger" by fawning FKK ladies)
What scratches? Oh these. Must have been when I plowed my expensive SUV into a fire hydrant and the neighbor's tree while being chased by a mad golf club swinging Swedish lady.
Iseeu ( who's sometimes called "Tiger" by fawning FKK ladies)
Sorry, but the barfine is $5 million.
948804
Do you agree with that post?
I have had some very pleasant times in Swiss and Austrian FKK. Each visit is different, and we can all have great visits at lesser clubs and poor experiences at the best of the best.
However, in general the best of Swiss and Austrian FKK are more expensive than those in Germany, but have a lineup and session quality typical of the second league in Germany - such as Acapulco or ColA or PHG or Hawaii.
That said, these differences are only going to matter to someone who must choose between Oase and Globe.
If you are in CH there are plenty of options. In Austria, my dialogue with Lukasek on the ColAand Austria/Other Area threads shows that he far prefers to make the trip to ColA rather than go to FKK Andiamo. In my view Andiamo is superior in size and quality to clubs I have experienced in CH.
In any event, we should all visit Oase, GT (and?) or World once in a lifetime.
Lukasek is due to make his first visit to the Hessen three over Christmas, so I am interested to read his comparisons with the rest of the world.
Have fun.
PL
Barrioamon
12-04-09, 19:18
http://www.fkk-colosseum.com/
This club is near Munich, one of the only few around that area. I left Oktoberfest in Sept 2007 and spent 3 nights visiting this awesome club. It was expensive for the Euro exchange rate and since Oktoberfest the rooms were sold out everywhere and no lower than $250US per night everywhere, but found a nice place to stay off the beaten path I staying in Dasing at the Dasing Hwy Hotel for $50 night and rode taxi about $25. To the club. I had the pleasure of spending time with an Iranian/German mix girl and pure German girl who looked like a California blonde surfer chick. THis duet were super pros both were spinners and had everything down to a T. Excellent time and a hard act to follow. Also spent time with a Ukranian Girl there, who was ok. Take a look at website. All roman column interior, pools indoors, what a pleasure palace.
http://www.policeoracle.com/news/6-DIY-Train-Buffs-Arrested_20957.html
I'm curious as to how payment is handled in places like this. Towels or robes don't seem to let you just carry your wallet around with you. I guess you go back to the lockers after each session. They follow you back or you come back to them or?
I'm curious as to how payment is handled in places like this. Towels or robes don't seem to let you just carry your wallet around with you. I guess you go back to the lockers after each session. They follow you back or you come back to them or?You keep your valuables in your locker and pay there after the session. In some of the bigger clubs there are dedicated valuables lockers usually operated by the same key. Fear not, you will be followed faithfully to your locker. She will not let you out of her sight, and it has nothing to do with after-sex glow.
At one or two clubs they have a tab system where you pay at the end as you leave, but that is the exception.
I'm curious as to how payment is handled in places like this. Towels or robes don't seem to let you just carry your wallet around with you. I guess you go back to the lockers after each session. They follow you back or you come back to them or?
They only accept euros.
Hessen Bub
12-16-09, 10:44
Palace does accept credit cards now - don't know what commission they charge or if you pull money from the ATM.
HB
Lukasek,
I have not posted my full trip reports and line up lists for Golden Time, Oase and World. Looking at the line up lists it can be easily seen that at World that the Romanians predominate as the majority sex worker providing country.
If you add in my Saturday Christmas party visit to the Thursday and other Saturday visit then it is 8 Romanians out of 9 girls covering 11 sessions. You cannot help but come across Romanians.
Oase also has an extensive line up of Romanians but World is even more weighted in Romanians such that it is rare to find a non Romanian at World in my opinion if you are looking for the look that I like to practice sex with.
If you look at the Golden Time visits I did recently, the Romanians dominate there as well.....
Basketcase,
thanks for reply, I answer you here. Honestly I do not love romanians, I know they can be beautiful, but the attitude for me sucks, too much into the business, not high % to get GFE as for example russians. I know romanians as in my home city, there are tons of them working in private apts....and I know even better russians after 2 months there last year....
I understand that with no visa problems for owner of FKK is much easier to get romanians instead russians, but I only guess why almost only romanians as also polish, czech, slovak, latvian, estonian, lituanian and bulgarian girls have no problem visa too, as they are all in EU and IMHO much much better attitude ?
So 8 countries with beautiful women, all in the EU, but the majority of girls is only from the one country where the attitude is not the best one, it seems a real pity for me.
However I already booked Etap in Linden, so soon I guess I will be for the first time in the 3 Essen FKK looking for the non romanians :D
Wish me for that good luck please ;)
Basketcase
12-17-09, 23:58
Basketcase,
thanks for reply, I answer you here. Honestly I do not love romanians, I know they can be beautiful, but the attitude for me sucks, too much into the business, not high % to get GFE as for example russians. I know romanians as in my home city, there are tons of them working in private apts....and I know even better russians after 2 months there last year....
I understand that with no visa problems for owner of FKK is much easier to get romanians instead russians, but I only guess why almost only romanians as also polish, czech, slovak, latvian, estonian, lituanian and bulgarian girls have no problem visa too, as they are all in EU and IMHO much much better attitude ?
So 8 countries with beautiful women, all in the EU, but the majority of girls is only from the one country where the attitude is not the best one, it seems a real pity for me.
However I already booked Etap in Linden, so soon I guess I will be for the first time in the 3 Essen FKK looking for the non romanians :D
Wish me for that good luck please ;)
I have yet to post my line up lists and full trip reports where I give a little description on each girl that I could identify at Oase, World or Golden Time. Maybe I can get these out to you in time for your visit.
World is over flowing with Romanians. If you like small, dark haired Romanians then you are spolit for choice. There are a few blond Romanians too.
I too prefer Polish, Russian and Slovak girls for their service and also German girls for the look. With so many of the sex workers coming from Romania you really sometimes do not have much choice but to end up with a Romanian.
If you do not love Romanians then I think you need to go to the club with an open mind and take each girl as they come. Some Romanians that I have met have given exemplary service. Blond Carmen (Romania) at Golden Time is one that I have had exceptional service for 50€ (1 CE).
There is a group of Romanians that I have found that provide good service at World now as well. Read my short trip listings of the repeat or not repeat comment to work out which ones that I refer to.
I do not do very many Romanians at Oase as Oase has a more diverse line up of girls. In saying that I do spend a lot of time with the Romanians at Oase as they are a riot, causing chaos in their wake and as such are a lot fun outside of the room, better than in the room.
Basketcase,
thanks for reply, I answer you here. Honestly I do not love romanians, I know they can be beautiful, but the attitude for me sucks, too much into the business, not high % to get GFE as for example russians. I know romanians as in my home city, there are tons of them working in private apts....and I know even better russians after 2 months there last year....
I understand that with no visa problems for owner of FKK is much easier to get romanians instead russians, but I only guess why almost only romanians as also polish, czech, slovak, latvian, estonian, lituanian and bulgarian girls have no problem visa too, as they are all in EU and IMHO much much better attitude ?
So 8 countries with beautiful women, all in the EU, but the majority of girls is only from the one country where the attitude is not the best one, it seems a real pity for me.
However I already booked Etap in Linden, so soon I guess I will be for the first time in the 3 Essen FKK looking for the non romanians :D
Wish me for that good luck please ;)
I have to agree about the poor attitude of Romanian girls. Great looking but poor attitude. My friend works in a FKK near Frankfurt and I hang out with her and her colegas and the Romanians never have anything positive to say about their work or their clients. I get bored with their bullshit and I am not even doing anything with them
Exceptions are found everywhere about everything, but everytime I met somebody who said romanians are great, I immediately asked him where he was and soon I understand that he did not travel so much, cause when you try something really good, it is hard to be satisfied with average quality of service.
IMHO obviously, but romanians to me seem to have too much gipsy attitude or too many BS, they are very good with words, but GFE is not made of simple words.
I forgot to mention in my last post the country Hungary, but more blond there, but the attitude is not much better.
However nevermind, even in a FKK crowded of romanians will be funny to search for another nationality, at the end, I speak CZ and SK very well and enough good Russian and Portuguese, so no need to learn romunski jazik :D
But back to question, anybody knows why the majority is from Romania ?!?
P.S. Guys I share a funny thing happens to me last week: I called an escort, we met outside of hotel that is owned by my friend, she told me she was from little village close to Moscow, so we immediately turned to speak only russian, we went inside, gave the our ID to the reception where together receptionist there was even my friend who played to not recognize me. The session was great, very great, we left and after a while I went back to the hotel to drink beer and to tell the session to my friend. When he saw me immediately joked me: " hey what's happened with you ??? Why did you decide to pay for a romanian ? LOL ".
I reply, romanian....who ? ME ???
Then he showed me the copy he took of the ID of the escort and WTF it was romanian ID !!!!
I smiled and I understood why when I asked her about which kind of visa to get to my country, she lives here from beginning of new year, she told me, if you know the right person in Moscow everything is possible..... yep guys !
She bought fake romanian ID !!!
And no way she could be really from romania, as we spoke about night flight in Moscow and she worked as tochka too.
So yes, to make long short, the only ones romanian girls I love are the ones with fakes romanian ID :D :D :D
P.P.S. Basketcase, I enjoy your post, but I am not sure I will go with the list of the names of girls, cause there are so many, it will be hard to meet the ones reported here, probably I will choose by nationality and by their ass LOL
P.P.P.S. AbzSafado, waiting to go back to club 00, thanks again for share this, I will dedicate the session with brazilian girl, if I will be able to find one ;)
Ekliges Lauern
12-19-09, 18:22
Exceptions are found everywhere about everything, but everytime I met somebody who said romanians are great, I immediately asked him where he was and soon I understand that he did not travel so much, cause when you try something really good, it is hard to be satisfied with average quality of service.
IMHO obviously, but romanians to me seem to have too much gipsy attitude or too many BS, they are very good with words, but GFE is not made of simple words.
I forgot to mention in my last post the country Hungary, but more blond there, but the attitude is not much better.
However nevermind, even in a FKK crowded of romanians will be funny to search for another nationality, at the end, I speak CZ and SK very well and enough good Russian and Portuguese, so no need to learn romunski jazik :D
But back to question, anybody knows why the majority is from Romania ?!?
P.S. Guys I share a funny thing happens to me last week: I called an escort, we met outside of hotel that is owned by my friend, she told me she was from little village close to Moscow, so we immediately turned to speak only russian, we went inside, gave the our ID to the reception where together receptionist there was even my friend who played to not recognize me. The session was great, very great, we left and after a while I went back to the hotel to drink beer and to tell the session to my friend. When he saw me immediately joked me: " hey what's happened with you ??? Why did you decide to pay for a romanian ? LOL ".
I reply, romanian....who ? ME ???
Then he showed me the copy he took of the ID of the escort and WTF it was romanian ID !!!!
I smiled and I understood why when I asked her about which kind of visa to get to my country, she lives here from beginning of new year, she told me, if you know the right person in Moscow everything is possible..... yep guys !
She bought fake romanian ID !!!
And no way she could be really from romania, as we spoke about night flight in Moscow and she worked as tochka too.
So yes, to make long short, the only ones romanian girls I love are the ones with fakes romanian ID :D :D :D
P.P.S. Basketcase, I enjoy your post, but I am not sure I will go with the list of the names of girls, cause there are so many, it will be hard to meet the ones reported here, probably I will choose by nationality and by their ass LOL
P.P.P.S. AbzSafado, waiting to go back to club 00, thanks again for share this, I will dedicate the session with brazilian girl, if I will be able to find one ;)Well, there are probably good girls from every county. But with just a couple of exceptions, I haven't had good chemistry with many Romanian girls. But we all have our preferences and I suspect the nationalities of the girls we get on best with is probably determined by how we carry ourselves (less about nationality and race, and more about outlook and personality).
Me, as a generalization I seem to get on well with Chinese, Russians (including pretty much all of the former Soviet Union except the Baltic states), Turkish, Middle Eastern, Latinas and Balkan girls. African, Baltic, German, Polish and Hungarian girls are all about 50/50 for me.
Thai women are a category unto themselves. In FKKs I've had a great times, with quite a few of them, but in Thailand you have to be super careful that they don't latch onto you and act jealous if you go with another lady. I have the rule of 3, which is never go with a girl three times as she will then think there is an emotional bond. I do know to a large extent they are playing us, but I do think some of them do bond emotionally with us, at least to a small extent and some of the jealousy is real.
Probably why FKKs are better if you don't want that degree of intimacy.
I tend to shy away from Romanians and Bulgarians. For the most part we just don't clique well enough for more than an average session.
Continued from Travel Plans thread...
I suppose arriving early enough at FRA, I could drive to DUS via Bernds or Samya, taking a local hotel overnight and making it easier to get to an 0630 flight from DUS. But Bernds on the first day of an FKK tour? Its like allowing a newly drafted rookie play the opening game at Fenway, lol!
On my radar include Oase, Samya, Bernds, but not GT. I am planning one day (Monday) in FKKland on the way, and four FKK days on the return (Wed-Sat). This route potentally gives me two days at Oase, plus a day at Samya, and a day or two at Bernds (or another place). I have some mongering experience and can be patient to avoid sharking behavior, preferring instead a couple of gfe sessions - but of course my immunity might give in to a good optifuck with the potential of gfe.
So FRA to take a train and rent a car to visit Samya or Bernds, or get to Oase and back to FRA to get a train up to DUS?
Samya is a good club to break your FKK cherry. No pressure, clean, well- managed club, not too big, but big enough that you can get lost in the shadows if you want to take a break (the 3rd floor lounge or the relax area near the saunas are good places to catch a snooze) and a decent varied selection of SP.
Doesn't sound like you're a rookie, and anyway, I don't subscribe to the common belief that you need a PHD in mogering to visit Bernd's, but you will need an understanding of FKK protocol and etiquette, particularly in a place like Bernd's, and it's also good to have some rudimentary German skills so you'll feel more comfortable in its intimate environment. Better to leave Bernd's for later in your trip.
If you need to be up in DUS for your flight the next morning, I suggest that you drive/ train (not as complicated as you think - in fact it's very organized, very efficient and nearly always on time) up to Cologne, and visit Samya, or drive/ train up to DUS and visit Living Room in Kaarst. LR has many of the same qualities as Samya with the added advantage that it's a short trip by car or public transportation to DUS airport.
Just wondering if any of you guys have either visited or have any info on FKK Rom or Das 5 Element?
FKK Rom ( I believe is the old FKK Atlantis BUT renamed)
http://www.fkk-rom.de/
Das 5 Element
http://www.das5element.de/
Das 5 Element looks like a well laid out club. Hopefully some competition for the Big 3 Hessen clubs
Cheers,
CD
Good to know that the trains are not that difficult and on time. The train directions to Oase sound complicated and I wanted to spend the first day there, so that I can do a second, non-consecutive day later. Is there a site that provides train info for the FRA area? Maybe I can make it back to FRA to return a Sixti car and catch the train to DUS that evening? I need to catch an 0630 flight out of DUS to arrive in time for work the next day.
No, I'm not quite a rookie (been to MTL), but new to FKKland. My German consists of danka and zimmer. My German protocol and etiquette consists of eating saeurkraut and drinking beer, LOL. But seriously, I've learned about the FKK protocols and etiquette by doing my homework here and on other Forums.
Continued from Travel Plans thread.
Doesn't sound like you're a rookie, and anyway, I don't subscribe to the common belief that you need a PHD in mogering to visit Bernd's, but you will need an understanding of FKK protocol and etiquette, particularly in a place like Bernd's, and it's also good to have some rudimentary German skills so you'll feel more comfortable in its intimate environment. Better to leave Bernd's for later in your trip.
If you need to be up in DUS for your flight the next morning, I suggest that you drive/ train (not as complicated as you think. In fact it's very organized, very efficient and nearly always on time) up to Cologne, and visit Samya, or drive/ train up to DUS and visit Living Room in Kaarst. LR has many of the same qualities as Samya with the added advantage that it's a short trip by car or public transportation to DUS airport.
Rufus T Firefly
12-23-09, 09:00
Good to know that the trains are not that difficult and on time. The train directions to Oase sound complicated and I wanted to spend the first day there, so that I can do a second, non-consecutive day later. Is there a site that provides train info for the FRA area? Maybe I can make it back to FRA to return a Sixti car and catch the train to DUS that evening? I need to catch an 0630 flight out of DUS to arrive in time for work the next day.
The train system is indeed very sophisticated but if you're able to handle catching a flight at an airport, you're able to figure out how to take a train in Germany. Some differences are: you don't have to show up 2 hours early to take the train and the train can actually travel city center to city center.
Here are a couple of URLs for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_transport_in_Frankfurt_am_Main
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Schienennetzplan_Frankfurt_am_Main.png
Note the S-Bahn train S5 goes out to Bad Homburg. You can catch it at the Frankfurt Hbf (central train station)
The most comprehensive source of information on train and transit in Germany is www.bahn.de I believe it was mentioned earlier. The site will even cover bus service. Spend some time with. Experiment with itineraries.
Incidentally, someone posted the URL of a Youtube video which showed how to get to Oase via train. It's on this forum.
BTW, you can also take the train to the Duesseldorf flughaven (airport)
Rufus
Thanks again for the great logistical information. It never hurts to repeat and update it sometimes for newbies like myself. Yes, I had seen some of the pictures by RainCity and the video. My impression was that it was quite complicated, but I am rethinking this a bit.
I have been spending some time on sites like http://reiseauskunft. Bahn.de to plan this out.
On my gateway into FRA, I have an extra day which I had intended to spend at Oase. I will be travelling with luggage and a laptop computer. So unless there is a secure locker in FRA, it seems the best choice is to rent a Sixti car to drive to Oase. Otherwise, I would take the train to make the 10 AM opening, and return about 21:30 to Frankfurth HBF to catch the 23:10 or the 23:35 to DUS.
The problem is after spending overnight on the redeye to FRA and a day in Oase, the train to DUS arrives at 01:11 or 02:39 in the morning and I have an 06:30 flight out of DUS to work that day.
So a couple more questions, if I may. Are secure baggage lockers available in the terminal at FRA? Or should I rent a Sixti car to get to Oase, which would allow me to store bags in it while at Oase?
Second, if I arrive at DUS at about 02:00, is there somewhere I might find to get a little shut eye while I wait for a plane departure?
I cannot get an early enough flight from FRA to where I am going and get to work and leaving the day I arrive doesn't leave much time for Oase.
I want to try out Oase on the gateway, so that on the return I will have time to sample GT, the Hof, and Samya, with a possible repeat (4th day) at one of them or Oase.
Note the S-Bahn train S5 goes out to Bad Homburg. You can catch it at the Frankfurt Hbf (central train station)
The most comprehensive source of information on train and transit in Germany is www.bahn.de I believe it was mentioned earlier. The site will even cover bus service. Spend some time with. Experiment with itineraries.
Incidentally, someone posted the URL of a Youtube video which showed how to get to Oase via train. It's on this forum.
BTW, you can also take the train to the Duesseldorf flughaven (airport)
Vito Corleone
12-25-09, 00:23
So a couple more questions, if I may. Are secure baggage lockers available in the terminal at FRA? Or should I rent a Sixti car to get to Oase, which would allow me to store bags in it while at Oase?
Second, if I arrive at DUS at about 02:00, is there somewhere I might find to get a little shut eye while I wait for a plane departure?
There is a place to store your luggage @ the FRA airport. Not exactly lockers, you drop off your luggage to the employee & you receive a ticket. You pay when you retrieve your luggage. DO NOT lose the ticket!
Dus airport, you might have to find a seat & lean back.
I will be travelling with luggage and a laptop computer.
There are self-service lockers at FRA main train station. They have large and small lockers designed for use by travelers. It should cost less than 5 Euro for 24 hours. OTH, If you don't have a lot of bags, you can always leave them with the receptionist at Oase. It's free.
I posted this in FKK FAQ. But nobody responded so I am reposting it in this section.
I am going to rent a car for 4 days from Frankfurt airport.
If I try to book with SIXT declaring I am a resident of MY country (not Germany), they give me a price quote of 222 euros for their basic car with 1200 kilometers.
If I declare on website I am a German resident, the price drops to 94 euros for their basic car which includes 1200 kilometers.
My question is: Can I get away with making the rental as a German resident to save more than half the cost?
Also, I looked on the SIXTI website (add the "I") to the SIXT, it is a different company. Their prices are 53 euros dor a SmartCar or 90 euros for a Ford Focus with allowance of 400 kilometers. They are showing no availability for Terminal 2 at FRA airport. This is for pickup at Frankfurt Hahn Flughafen-Is this a differnt airport?
The best option it seems is to acquire a car from SIXT at the lower German resident cost.
Hope this thread leads us to future car savings!
RW
Rufus T Firefly
12-25-09, 07:15
Thanks again for the great logistical information. It never hurts to repeat and update it sometimes for newbies like myself. Yes, I had seen some of the pictures by RainCity and the video. My impression was that it was quite complicated, but I am rethinking this a bit.
I have been spending some time on sites like http://reiseauskunft. Bahn.de to plan this out.
If you start at the homepage for the DB site, you'll be able to select a language you're comfortable with, if it's other than Deutsch.
www.bahn.de
On my gateway into FRA, I have an extra day which I had intended to spend at Oase. I will be travelling with luggage and a laptop computer. So unless there is a secure locker in FRA, it seems the best choice is to rent a Sixti car to drive to Oase.
Atooz is pointing you to the solution. Almost all the DB stations except the smallest have luggage lockers. Take your bags with you from the airport regional station to the Hauptbahnhof. Assuming your S-Bahn train arrives on the Tief (lower - underground level) proceed up the stairs or escalators to the main level (follow the crowds). When you get to the top, turn around and walk to the last platform/track on that side of the station (north side and the higher numbered platforms). You shouldn't have any problem seeing the rows of baggage lockers.
To play the luggage locker game you'll need some Euro coins. As Atooz says, at least one luggage compartment size takes one 5 Euro coin. I think that's the larger size but I can't recall the cost of the small one. One Euro ? In any case, if you don't have any Euro coins, you really should have some before you get to the lockers. There are plenty of shops on the main hall of the Hbf. Buy a small item or get a cup of coffee or something to eat and you'll get some change.
The reward for playing the luggage locker game is freedom of movement unhindered by luggage.
I love travelling in Germany.
Rufus
I posted this in FKK FAQ. But nobody responded so I am reposting it in this section.
I am going to rent a car for 4 days from Frankfurt airport.
If I try to book with SIXT declaring I am a resident of MY country (not Germany), they give me a price quote of 222 euros for their basic car with 1200 kilometers.
If I declare on website I am a German resident, the price drops to 94 euros for their basic car which includes 1200 kilometers.
My question is: Can I get away with making the rental as a German resident to save more than half the cost?
Also, I looked on the SIXTI website (add the "I") to the SIXT, it is a different company. Their prices are 53 euros dor a SmartCar or 90 euros for a Ford Focus with allowance of 400 kilometers. They are showing no availability for Terminal 2 at FRA airport. This is for pickup at Frankfurt Hahn Flughafen-Is this a differnt airport?
The best option it seems is to acquire a car from SIXT at the lower German resident cost.
Hope this thread leads us to future car savings!
RW All your questions have been answered (by yours truly among others) gazillion times on this as well as other threads. Use the search feature and then read the reports that have been made on rental cars in Germany.
Ekliges Lauern
12-25-09, 13:30
I posted this in FKK FAQ. But nobody responded so I am reposting it in this section.
I am going to rent a car for 4 days from Frankfurt airport.
If I try to book with SIXT declaring I am a resident of MY country (not Germany), they give me a price quote of 222 euros for their basic car with 1200 kilometers.
If I declare on website I am a German resident, the price drops to 94 euros for their basic car which includes 1200 kilometers.
My question is: Can I get away with making the rental as a German resident to save more than half the cost?
Also, I looked on the SIXTI website (add the "I") to the SIXT, it is a different company. Their prices are 53 euros dor a SmartCar or 90 euros for a Ford Focus with allowance of 400 kilometers. They are showing no availability for Terminal 2 at FRA airport. This is for pickup at Frankfurt Hahn Flughafen-Is this a differnt airport?
The best option it seems is to acquire a car from SIXT at the lower German resident cost.
Hope this thread leads us to future car savings!
RWSince it is Christmas, I'll be more helpful than the previous response.
Yes, you can. Just use your hotel address.
Travelerb69
12-25-09, 14:13
I am going to rent a car for 4 days from Frankfurt airport.
If I try to book with SIXT declaring I am a resident of MY country (not Germany), they give me a price quote of 222 euros for their basic car with 1200 kilometers.
If I declare on website I am a German resident, the price drops to 94 euros for their basic car which includes 1200 kilometers.
My question is: Can I get away with making the rental as a German resident to save more than half the cost?
Also, I looked on the SIXTI website (add the "I") to the SIXT, it is a different company. Their prices are 53 euros dor a SmartCar or 90 euros for a Ford Focus with allowance of 400 kilometers. They are showing no availability for Terminal 2 at FRA airport. This is for pickup at Frankfurt Hahn Flughafen-Is this a differnt airport?
RW
Henio has already answered you, I pretty much recall he has written several posts about booking a car like a local in Germany, so just do the research.
About Hahn airport- it is a small airport located near the town of Witlich, used mainly by Ryan Air. They advertize it as being Frankfurt but in fact it is 126 km from downtown Frankfurt, about 1.5 hour by car cause the road is a narrow and slow one. Ryan Air does provide a bus shuttle service to Frankfurt. If you are booking the car for more than 4 days a good option is http://www.amigoautos.es/, it is an agency that books, among others, cars from sixt, but with unlimited mileage and at a better rate(sometimes 27 euros a day). If for one or 2 days, Sixti or Avis offer better rates.
More info on 736378
On my gateway into FRA, I have an extra day which I had intended to spend at Oase. I would take the train to make the 10 AM opening, and return about 21:30 to Frankfurth HBF to catch the 23:10 or the 23:35 to DUS.
The problem is after spending overnight on the redeye to FRA and a day in Oase, the train to DUS arrives at 01:11 or 02:39 in the morning and I have an 06:30 flight out of DUS to work that day. I want to try out Oase on the gateway, so that on the return I will have time to sample GT, the Hof, and Samya, with a possible repeat (4th day) at one of them or Oase.
So your flying into Frankfurt and out of Dusseldorf at 6:30am the following day? A train would waste alot of time arriving too early into dusseldorf. I'd suggest you rent a car in Frankfurt for one day that can be dropped off in dusseldorf the following morning. There are many reasonably priced gps's around 100usd (search for Garmin nuvi 270) that have europe maps on them...a good investment.
Id suggest you land in frankfurt, drive to oase and stay until 8:30... then drive to fkk finca in dierdorf (from oase to finca is just over 1 hour drive) http://www.finca-erotica.de/ ...arrive there after 10pm. From 10pm till 11pm they have a happy hour entrance of 30 euro's. Finca closes at 4am. From Finca its just over an hour to the Dusseldorf airport. You leave at 3am from Finca and drop your car off at the Dusseldorf airport at 4:30am (key drop). Plenty of time to get to your early morning flight out of Dusseldorf...but you need a gps to insure you don't get lost. By doing Finca your breaking your drive up into two hour long trips...with a rewarded break in the middle. You can't do this with Samya or the Hof since they both close at 1am.
On one hand your going to be spending a bit more money for a one day car rental with a dropoff at another airport...plus a bit of gas. On the other hand your using that extra time spent waiting at the airport inside an fkk club. Oase opens at 10am but the better girls don't arrive till mid afternoon. Try to use some of that time resting up for the night shift at both clubs if you do what I suggest with the drive north. You can nap inside the sauna room on one of the 3 lounge chairs without the girls waking you too often.
Rufus T Firefly
12-26-09, 10:07
On my gateway into FRA, I have an extra day which I had intended to spend at Oase. I will be travelling with luggage and a laptop computer. So unless there is a secure locker in FRA, it seems the best choice is to rent a Sixti car to drive to Oase. Otherwise, I would take the train to make the 10 AM opening, and return about 21:30 to Frankfurth HBF to catch the 23:10 or the 23:35 to DUS. The problem is after spending overnight on the redeye to FRA and a day in Oase, the train to DUS arrives at 01:11 or 02:39 in the morning and I have an 06:30 flight out of DUS to work that day.
Mambomike,
despite the general inclinations of this forum, I'm going to be a wet blanket and say, don't try to do it all on that first day in Germany. I don't recall what time your flight arrives in Frankfurt but this is what I recommend as a basic itinerary:
- flight arrives in Frankfurt
- train to Frankfurt Hbf where you stash your baggage in a locker
- book ICE train in Reisebüro for departure later that day
- train out to Oase for 10 AM opening
- hours of debauchery in the Oase FKK
- return to Frankfurt Hbf and retrieval of your baggage
- train to Duesseldorf Hbf depart 18:10 (ICE 622) - an earlier train is better
- arrival in Duesseldorf at 19:42
- overnight stay in hotel near Hbf
- depart hotel for Hbf
- S-Bahn or ERB (regional train) to airport, arrival approx 05:00
- flight departs 06:30
Only you can decide how much you can handle on your first jet-lag addled day in Germany. Personally, I again recommend against attempting to drive. I gather this will be your first time in Germany, and you will be driving on strange roads in Winter conditions at night while being deprived of sleep. Why have a great time in Oase to get yourself killed on the Autobahn on the way to some other FKK near Duesseldorf ?
If I would make a change to the above itinerary, it would be to shift it earlier by an hour or two to allow for better rest in the hotel and rising early enough for the 11 minute trip by rail to the airport. For example, there is an ICE which leaves at 17:10 arriving 18:37, allowing at least 5 hours for you at Oases.
You'll learn a lot on this first leg of the trip which you can apply on your return.
Rufus
The reason I posted here, looking for advice, is because I recognize that my vitality and responsiveness might be compromised after an 8 hour red-eye flight into FRA and a six hour time change. I also may find it difficult to return a car in DUS at 05:30. While little mambo likes Breadman's suggestion, I am going to think with the big head even though I have good experience driving on icy roads at night where I live, but with a compromise.
Due to lockers at FRA-HBF, I'm going to plan to stash my luggage there and take the S-5/Taxi out to Oase at 10:00 following a 05:45 arrival at FRA, returning in time to catch the 21:46 ICE to DUS, arriving at 23:43, thus giving me up to 10 hours in Oase, including lunch and dinner (and a few delectable snacks in between!). Thus I should get a room around DUS for a few hours of shut-eye. I may decide to leave FRA for DUS earlier than that, if I'm simply wearing out.
1. Are there any recommendations (hotels, web site) around DUS?
2. Should I book the ICE ticket on my way to Oase? Is it easy to take an earlier train if I book the 21:46 before heading out to Oase, if I leave Oase early?
My FKK planned itenary is as follows:
Monday. Oase
Following Wednesday. Pick up car at DUS and drive toThe Hof
Thursday. GT
Friday. The Hof or Samya
Saturday. GT, Samya (maybe stopping at Finca for a nightcap), or Oase (maybe staying to 5 am), depending on previous days' outcome.
Sunday. Return car at FRA and fly home.
Chilly Willys and Gangbang Teenies seem like good substitutes for a change of pace if the above plan doesn't pan out.
My mongering budget is going to be 300E per day plus entrance fees, or 6 session equivalents reduced by extras, time extensions, or exhaustion. Realizing the my stamina may be different than your's, does this plan sound reasonable?
Mambomike,
Despite the general inclinations of this forum, I'm going to be a wet blanket and say, don't try to do it all on that first day in Germany. I don't recall what time your flight arrives in Frankfurt but this is what I recommend as a basic itinerary:
- flight arrives in Frankfurt
- train to Frankfurt Hbf where you stash your baggage in a locker
- book ICE train in Reisebüro for departure later that day
- train out to Oase for 10 AM opening
- hours of debauchery in the Oase FKK
- return to Frankfurt Hbf and retrieval of your baggage
- train to Duesseldorf Hbf depart 18:10 (ICE 622). An earlier train is better
- arrival in Duesseldorf at 19:42
- overnight stay in hotel near Hbf
- depart hotel for Hbf
- S-Bahn or ERB (regional train) to airport, arrival approx 05:00
- flight departs 06:30
Only you can decide how much you can handle on your first jet-lag addled day in Germany. Personally, I again recommend against attempting to drive. I gather this will be your first time in Germany, and you will be driving on strange roads in Winter conditions at night while being deprived of sleep. Why have a great time in Oase to get yourself killed on the Autobahn on the way to some other FKK near Duesseldorf?
If I would make a change to the above itinerary, it would be to shift it earlier by an hour or two to allow for better rest in the hotel and rising early enough for the 11 minute trip by rail to the airport. For example, there is an ICE which leaves at 17:10 arriving 18:37, allowing at least 5 hours for you at Oases.
You'll learn a lot on this first leg of the trip which you can apply on your return.
Rufus
1. Are there any recommendations (hotels, web site) around DUS?
Depends on your budget. There are plenty of hotels in the Hbf area to choose from for all budgets. For your plan the best thing to do is stay near DUS airport. There's a Sheraton and Maritim hotel within the airport grounds but neither are budget accomodations. Or you could stay in Ratingen or one of the other towns near the airport which will cost less. Then again the airport is very close to the city
2. Should I book the ICE ticket on my way to Oase? Is it easy to take an earlier train if I book the 21:46 before heading out to Oase, if I leave Oase early?
I have pre-booked ICE tickets on the internet from the Dbahn website, and there's usually a reduced rate for advanced reservations. Prebooking a ticket for a particular ICE train will make it more difficult to change your mind later to take an earlier train out. Can be done, but you'll need to go to a ticket office at the Hbf to do it, and I'm not sure if there's an additional charge.
My FKK planned itenary is as follows:
Monday. Oase
Following Wednesday. Pick up car at DUS and drive toThe Hof
Thursday. GT
Friday. The Hof or Samya
Saturday. GT, Samya (maybe stopping at Finca for a nightcap), or Oase (maybe staying to 5 am), depending on previous days' outcome.
Sunday. Return car at FRA and fly home.
Chilly Willys and Gangbang Teenies seem like good substitutes for a change of pace if the above plan doesn't pan out.
My mongering budget is going to be 300E per day plus entrance fees, or 6 session equivalents reduced by extras, time extensions, or exhaustion. Realizing the my stamina may be different than your's, does this plan sound reasonable?
Yes, this plan is reasonable and eminently doable. The only change that I would make is to go to GT on Weds. since it's closer to DUS than either Samya or Bernd's, then transfer down to the Cologne area for your last 3 days.
Njoy and please post on your experience.
Saturday. GT, Samya (maybe stopping at Finca for a nightcap), or Oase (maybe staying to 5 am), depending on previous days' outcome.
Sunday. Return car at FRA and fly home.
Get back to the Frankfurt area a day before you depart. I highly recommend checking out World on a weekend.
i want to share my experience with hotels, but first i have to real thank beffen1 for his suggest about etap chain.
booking on line i paid 38 euro for etap in linden + 6 euro for breakfast.
as you see it is really cheap price, i guess cause they save money having reception open only couple of hours per day and an automatic machine that delivers you the code of your room.
i have to say i was really satisfied, from now i will try to choose all the time an etap hotel as even if the room and the shower are a bit small, it looks as it was built last year, fresh and new and very, perfect clean.
internet is not super fast, but works good, the speed, i tried download, was between 120-180kb/s, free and easy connection from the room.
breakfast good and all you can eat.
i have to say i never been in hotel at such low price with so good quality.
so i stayed 3 nights at etap in linden and was perfect, yesterday i arrived to augsburg etap, i saw 35 euro by net, but if you not book in advance it is 38 euro, plus 6 euro breakfast it was 44 euro, so i said, let's try ibis in center of augsburg as in the streets of the city ibis is advertised for 49 euro, so should be only 5 euro more than etap. ( more the will to change hotel, not cause etap disappointed me...).
well folks, it was a very bad choice !!!
first of all, if you not book in advance by net, the price is not 49 euro but 59 euro, first rip off, second the breakfast is +10 euro and third to have net in room you have to pay 7 euro.
obviously i realize this rip off about net and breakfast only after i parked my car and gave my id and honestly too tired to left, but at least when the receptionist said 49 euro is with booking from net, i asked her if i could use the pc of hotel to book me a night, she at least agree.
i did not pay for the net in the room, but for the breakfast, so it was 59 euro... a total rip off, if you consider for example that in ibis you pay 10 euro a breakfast that has smaller choice of food than the one at 6 euro at etap and even more, this morning in the butter's pieces there was written the date 29.12.2009. and so far as i do not understand german, i guess it was the maximum date of eating and not when it was produced...cause today is 28.12.2009 !
so at ibis you pay much more to have less than etap, well, ok at ibis you have in the room couple of meters square more, but who care ?
i liked ibis last year in brazil, curitiba, but i will no more use it, as thank to beffen1 now i know etap.
last but important thing, if you stay in 2 persons in one room at etap it is 46 euro, so 23 euro each one, so if you go with a friend just for couple of days to fkk it is perfect choice, cause even if we all probably can afford more expensive hotel, i see no point to spend more to have the same.
I just discovered by reading the ISG board that the timing of my trip coincides with Carnival. Most of the tour to occur on Feb 17-20. Is it so bad (lack of girls) that I should abort the plan, or not? I have no choice on the range of dates, because I am mixing business and pleasure.
Vito Corleone
12-29-09, 04:12
I just discovered by reading the ISG board that the timing of my trip coincides with Carnival. Most of the tour to occur on Feb 17-20. Is it so bad (lack of girls) that I should abort the plan, or not? I have no choice on the range of dates, because I am mixing business and pleasure.
Everything was same as usual last year. I accually did not know it was carnival until one of the smaller clubs had a small party with food & costumes. Lineups were still great. Only thing you might notice is the young drunks hanging around the stations & etc. I had a great time.
Hey Guy,
You seem to be sweating this trip a little on the heavy side. Chill out dude. Nothin too wrong with the dates that you have chosen. I happen to know that an international crew of ISGers (from the States, Antipides and British Isles) will be in town (Frankfurt area) round the time you will be in situ. I know. Because I'm one of them. Sure there are possibly better times to travel to Frankfurt but more because of the winter weather, not the carnival! Relax, chill and enjoy your vacation! I'm sure there will be plenty of chics to go round!
CD
I just discovered by reading the ISG board that the timing of my trip coincides with Carnival. Most of the tour to occur on Feb 17-20. Is it so bad (lack of girls) that I should abort the plan, or not? I have no choice on the range of dates, because I am mixing business and pleasure.
Basketcase
12-29-09, 09:24
I just discovered by reading the ISG board that the timing of my trip coincides with Carnival. Most of the tour to occur on Feb 17-20. Is it so bad (lack of girls) that I should abort the plan, or not? I have no choice on the range of dates, because I am mixing business and pleasure.
Mambomike,
You are visiting the clubs from Ash Wednesday (17 February 2010) onwards which is when the bulk of the carnival will have gone by. I am just unsure how much the lighter line up lasts for. Valentines day on 14 February gave me the impression that the line ups were light also for various reasons. I have not pulled the posts from prior years but there has been posts from Jackyo at least and maybe others saying some smaller clubs may be empty or even closed. The big fuck factories like Golden Time, and the Hessen 3 will continue to have decent line ups. Just do not expect maybe too many of the German girls or free lancers in the clubs.
Anyway, you are pitching your luck along with other crews around at that time. They will be facing the same problem as you trying to work out the best combination and sequence of clubs to visit based on time tables and budgets. From your list of inquiries that you have been making for just you, think of what it is like trying to incorporate the desires of say a crew of four guys travelling together with different agendas to agree on a timetable, a budget for shared costs, and a visit venue schedule that fits their wants. Your inquiry list is just a fraction of the banter that can go in the background amongst the veterans when they meet up. For example, guys will invariably want to save a Friday or a Saturday at World since those two days are World at its best. The received wisdom is that Oase is always the best club in Hessen on a Sunday (so you always seem to see foreigners in Oase on Sundays), Golden Time is always a bonus if the crew is happy to make the 2.5 hour drive North West and book hotels there. Then there will be the guy that wants to try some new clubs that no one has reviewed or just wants to be a pioneer, then there are the guys with their favourite girls and they know their work schedule and then there are the guys that object to dessous tag so are defensive about NRW clubs because the girls are not naked and visiting Hessen clubs on their respective dessous tag.
So you see you got it lucky.
For Hessen just prior to your visit is the ambiente Messe from 12-16 February 2010 which is a decent sized messe in Hessen so expect girls to know that and be working the Hessen clubs. You get a few of the enterprising girls that are intimate with the Messe schedule. I know the Polish mafia at Oase are and also the German professionals at Oase. Some seem to relish it so that they work the Messe and some use the Messe schedule to determine when they do not work since the clubs are packed with men making it feel like you are in a homosexuals club.
John Moore
12-29-09, 15:19
I just discovered by reading the ISG board that the timing of my trip coincides with Carnival. Most of the tour to occur on Feb 17-20. Is it so bad (lack of girls) that I should abort the plan, or not? I have no choice on the range of dates, because I am mixing business and pleasure.I will be on my trip at the same time, will it "disturb" my vacation at Oase in anyway? Or is it more in the western parts that this Karneval occurs?
Basketcase
12-29-09, 21:41
Hey Guy,
You seem to be sweating this trip a little on the heavy side. Chill out dude. Nothin too wrong with the dates that you have chosen. I happen to know that an international crew of ISGers (from the States, Antipides and British Isles) will be in town (Frankfurt area) round the time you will be in situ. I know. Because I'm one of them. Sure there are possibly better times to travel to Frankfurt but more because of the winter weather, not the carnival! Relax, chill and enjoy your vacation! I'm sure there will be plenty of chics to go round!
Captain Dan is right.
I have actually gone over my line up lists recorded in January 2009 and February 2009 and also my write ups of the visits I made and I realised that they were pretty good visits still. You should not fret over the line ups and the snow.
I had some really good times with my A list girls that were in the house. Several multi hour sessions too getting nice and intimate with porno action. The interesting statistic is that favourites I saw working in Jan and Feb are the same ones that I looking forward to seeing again this Jan and Feb with some new ones as stand bys.
Just call ahead to ask if they are there.
Also, relax, chill and enjoy. Since surely with the Oase food and drink situation it is not a case of eat, drink and be merry.
Travelerb69
12-29-09, 22:16
I want to share my experience with hotels, but first I have to real thank Beffen1 for his suggest about Etap chain.
Booking on line I paid 38 euro for Etap in Linden + 6 euro for breakfast.
As you see it is really cheap price, I guess cause they save money having reception open only couple of hours per day and an automatic machine that delivers you the code of your room.
I have to say I was really satisfied, from now I will try to choose all the time an Etap hotel as even if the room and the shower are a bit small, it looks as it was built last year, fresh and new and very, perfect clean.
I liked Ibis last year in Brazil, Curitiba, but I will no more use it, as thank to Beffen1 now I know Etap.
Last but important thing, if you stay in 2 persons in one room at Etap it is 46 euro, so 23 euro each one, so if you go with a friend just for couple of days to FKK it is perfect choice, cause even if we all probably can afford more expensive hotel, I see no point to spend more to have the same.
Etap and Ibis belong to the same Accor chain. I prefer Etaps also because the prices are generally lower, but have to strongly disagree with you that the Etaps are better except for the price. The prices at the Ibis are generally lower if booked through the web, you can get some real bargains, I used to stay at Ibis Neuss for 36 euros a night during summertime.
Advise: always check and try to book through Accor web site, all Accor Hotels are listed there, Ibis, Mercure, Etap, Novotel and even Formula 1, the cheapest of the chain. So you can compare all prices.For instance, the Mercure at Bad Homburg is waay better than the Etaps and generally offers a
promotion for 42 euros from Fridays till Mondays if booked ahead non refundable.
Also check the B& Bs hotels, I have recently started to use them and found a better value then the Etaps. Make a research on this thread and you will find more info
Basketcase
12-29-09, 23:20
I will be on my trip at the same time, will it "disturb" my vacation at Oase in anyway? Or is it more in the western parts that this Karneval occurs?
John Moore and Mambomike,
Sounds like there are a few travelling at this time.
It is not a bad time to be around since there is the ambiente messe as well as the Carnival days to enjoy the parties going on. Ambiente messe from 12-16 February 2010 will ensure that there are sex workers keen for your euro spend.
As far as I know, the Carnival is more celebrated in the Western states but the passing of this time seems to be noted by most states in some way. Also note that in Oase that when you ask where the German professionals come from they always say Cologne or Dusseldorf or Nord Rhein Westfalen which is the state that Carnival really kicks off. Due to that I always get the impression that the German professionals are going to be on holidays. It seems Sunny is the main German professional that is not a NRW professional coming from Berlin.
Please do go and report back what you find.
Travelerb69,
thanks,( also for your answer and suggests in World thread... ) my experience about hotels is yet little, I just compared the two ones where I was.....we learn day by day, so next time I will check also BeB and accor site.
Best regards
Here, from memory, were my best sessions of 2009 at the FKKs. Not overall, cos there were at least three top-notchers at other German brothels, and a Thai in a London apartment, but here we go:
In descending order:
Sara, Brazil, Neunkirchen
Helen, Romania, Neunkirchen
Amanda, Brazil, Kaiserslautern
Judith, Hungary, Oase
Nathalia, Russia, Finca
Luna, DomRep, Oase
Sandra, Romania, Kaiserslautern (now Neunkirchen)
Julia, Poland, Oase (the brown-haired one)
Dascha, Russia, Neunkirchen (now left the business)
Eva, Serbia, World
What were yours?
A list of worst ones might be fun......
Eva, Serbia, World
What were yours?
A list of worst ones might be fun......
Hello Toscana, if she has top model body, decent english and strong tanned, she is the one I saw on Xmas. ( not sure about the name, but the one I chatted a bit, was from Serbia, that's I remember. Also very tall and reminded me that Serbia is the country in Europe with higher female average height)
I am just curious, where I can find your report about her or how she is in bed ?
Thanks
Hello Toscana, if she has top model body, decent english and strong tanned, she is the one I saw on Xmas. ( not sure about the name, but the one I chatted a bit, was from Serbia, that's I remember. Also very tall and reminded me that Serbia is the country in Europe with higher female average height)
I am just curious, where I can find your report about her or how she is in bed ?
Thanks
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=873505&postcount=2928
You, too, can use the search function. ;-) Not much detail on Eva, I am afraid, but the session stays fresh in the mind. Don't remember her being particularly tall. She was a real natural. Not sure she's still there. There has been a surfeit of Evas at World this year, so I cannot be sure we are talking about the same girl.
John Moore
12-31-09, 00:23
John Moore and Mambomike,
Sounds like there are a few travelling at this time.
It is not a bad time to be around since there is the ambiente messe as well as the Carnival days to enjoy the parties going on. Ambiente messe from 12-16 February 2010 will ensure that there are sex workers keen for your euro spend.
As far as I know, the Carnival is more celebrated in the Western states but the passing of this time seems to be noted by most states in some way. Also note that in Oase that when you ask where the German professionals come from they always say Cologne or Dusseldorf or Nord Rhein Westfalen which is the state that Carnival really kicks off. Due to that I always get the impression that the German professionals are going to be on holidays. It seems Sunny is the main German professional that is not a NRW professional coming from Berlin.
Please do go and report back what you find.Thanks for the info BC. I am going that weekend 19-21 of February and of course I will report.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=873505&postcount=2928
You, too, can use the search function. ;-)
Thanks, I know and you are right. I today was too lazy...her lips, so far as I remember, were normal, ( all 2+2 lips I mean :D ) so I guess maybe she was another one, thanks anyway.
Angus Magee
12-31-09, 11:18
I don't think I can really come up with a top ten but here are my top sessions from the past year.
Sina (aka Leoni ex-Bernds) Brazilian, Oase-What's to say. I'm still in love with the girl.
Gabrielle, Venezuelan, Oase-The bj was perhaps my best ever...
Gizele, German, Artemis-Over several session I fell quite in love with her. She has since quit the business as far as I know. Superlative wet sloppy bj and loved to have old Angus bury his tongue up her sweet cinnamon bun. Very, very orgasmic.
Nicoletta, Bulgarian, Artemis-Just by virtue of my returning to her time & again. Her sessions are not off the charts but we have sort of achieved fuck buddy status. Her bj can be very deep and she is always an enthusiastic fun partner. The new breasts, which at first I regarded with a degree of trepidation, have proved to be very effective at titty fucking which is always a special treat for Angus.
Kylie, German, Artemis-A late night one off at Artemis last summer. Very good GFE with a girl who moves around and thus no repeat. Schade!
Tiziana, Ecuadorian, Artemis this week, next week?-Maybe this girl makes it in by virtue of it being so recent. But it was a very good session and I would dearly love a repeat hour long session. But I fear that she will be gone by the time I make it back to Artemis.
That's all that comes to mind at the moment. Of course there could be many honorable mentions (Katja, Svenja, Janey) but they are chronicled in the various threads.
Worst session? The only one that comes to mind is Moldavian Isabella a tiny wisp of an Artemis girl with a great come on and a prominent set of labia that had old Angus in a lather late one night at Artemis. All went okay until I came to deep & with way too much volume (she later claimed) in her mouth and down her throat, resulting in her spending the next 5 minutes of what was supposed to be post coital cuddling, bent over the waste basket retching and coughing. She then proceeded to chew me out, hinting that a volume surcharge be levied against me. I would have none of it but it all left me with a nasty feeling.
Happy mongering everyone in the New Year.
AM
Many thanks to Toscana and Angus for sharing their top adventures of '09 with us. I find this inspiring, and hope others will follow up with their lists too.
In 2009 I kind of rediscovered World and made my virgin trips to Bernd’s. Oase is still my #1 and most visited club. I also visited Palace a couple of times.
I know, I know ... I should have travelled to the NRW to see what they have to offer, but man, I just hate the extra travelling time once you are in Frankfurt (which is my fate). I just see myself stuck in a “stau” on the autobahn wasting several hours of time, while I could spend those precious hours between Paula’s thighs in Oase. And between “stau” and time between Paula’s thighs, Paula’s thighs always win! ;-)
Here is the list of girls whose sweet lovin’ made me yearn, scream with lust, and come back for more in 2009:
1. Paula, Colombia (Oase)
2. Karina, Romania (World)
3. Dagmara, Poland (Oase)
4. Gabriela, Venezuela (Oase)
5. Mara, Netherlands (Bernd’s)
6. Elisa, Romania (World)
7. Vivienne, Hungary (Oase)
8. Danya, Romania (Oase)
9. Steffi, Russia (Oase)
10. Anna, Poland (Bernd’s)
Notes:
- I think Paula is retired but am praying for a comeback in 2010.
- I have heard rumours that Dagmara have moved to another club. Further information about her whereabouts appreciated.
- I hope Elisa will be returning to World in February (if not sooner)
Happy hunting in 2010!
S16
Ps.
Hey, lists are fun. Anyone else?
Basketcase
12-31-09, 16:03
Worst session? The only one that comes to mind is Moldavian Isabella a tiny wisp of an Artemis girl with a great come on and a prominent set of labia that had old Angus in a lather late one night at Artemis. All went okay until I came to deep & with way too much volume (she later claimed) in her mouth and down her throat, resulting in her spending the next 5 minutes of what was supposed to be post coital cuddling, bent over the waste basket retching and coughing. She then proceeded to chew me out, hinting that a volume surcharge be levied against me. I would have none of it but it all left me with a nasty feeling.
LOL. Priceless!! I commend the good work Angus Magee.
I have managed this a few times with a CIM finish in Oase and Golden Time with girls spitting out involuntarily and screaming out, "So much sperm!!!"
However, the difference in my cases were that the girls were cool with it, minimum of fuss and did not make out that my sperm was offensive. Actually quite "neutral" or "fine with the taste" so all happy to do it again and again we have done a few more times since.
Thanks for the list and the reporting on the Artemis scene.
Interesting point that may need some explanation is your list containing a high number of Frankfurt based or orginating sex workers given that you are a regular at Artemis. Is there something in the Frankfurt clubs that may be attributable here?
I don't think I can really come up with a top ten but here are my top sessions from the past year.
Sina (aka Leoni ex-Bernds) Brazilian, Oase-What's to say. I'm still in love with the girl.
Gabrielle, Venezuelan, Oase-The bj was perhaps my best ever...
Gizele, German, Artemis-Over several session I fell quite in love with her. She has since quit the business as far as I know. Superlative wet sloppy bj and loved to have old Angus bury his tongue up her sweet cinnamon bun. Very, very orgasmic.
Nicoletta, Bulgarian, Artemis-Just by virtue of my returning to her time & again. Her sessions are not off the charts but we have sort of achieved fuck buddy status. Her bj can be very deep and she is always an enthusiastic fun partner. The new breasts, which at first I regarded with a degree of trepidation, have proved to be very effective at titty fucking which is always a special treat for Angus.
Kylie, German, Artemis-A late night one off at Artemis last summer. Very good GFE with a girl who moves around and thus no repeat. Schade!
Tiziana, Ecuadorian, Artemis this week, next week?-Maybe this girl makes it in by virtue of it being so recent. But it was a very good session and I would dearly love a repeat hour long session. But I fear that she will be gone by the time I make it back to Artemis.
That's all that comes to mind at the moment. Of course there could be many honorable mentions (Katja, Svenja, Janey) but they are chronicled in the various threads.
Umm,,,,, let me get this straight...Out of your 9 best sessions of the year I pimped 4 of them for you (Leonie, Gabriells, Katja and Svenja) all in the span of 2 days!
There may be a sideline in there. LOL
Truth is happy to do this for a bud…and I do owe you for Ella who makes my top 10 of 09.
Happy mongering in the New Year!
Ekliges Lauern
01-01-10, 00:21
Sophie - China F39
Julia - Ukraine Palace
Gabriella - Columbia Oase
Gulchen - Turkey Palace
Mitsu - Japan Palace
Linda - Czech Oase
Gabriella - Brazil GT
Joanne - Italy Acapulco
Putre - Indonesia F39
Andrea - Romania GT
Sophie, both Gabriellas, Linda and Putre are returning favs from 2008.
Julia I'm sure I sessioned with before 2009, but something gelled with the chemistry between us this year as the sessions just keep getting better and better.
By club:
Palace: 3
F39, Oase, GT: 2
Acapulco 1
Just a few hours left till the ball drops. Time to close out the mongering year...
Changes in my job responsibilities have me coming to Germany less than in previous years, and usually for shorter visits, but I still managed about 2 club visits per month with 11 visits out of those to Bernd's. I also visited, GT, VV, LR, Samya, Babylon, Villa (Hannover), Artemis, Oase, World, and Palace. Add to these, some PT visits, a couple of swinger clubs, and some bordellos and I've had a pretty good mongering year.
Inventory Report: Can't balance the books as I'm in debt to this forum for about 10 visit reports that I haven’t had a chance to write and post.
Here are my Top 10 FKK providers for 2009:
1. Mara (Bernd’s)
2. Leonie (Bernd’s)/Zina (Oase)
3. Katja (Bernd’s)
4. Luna (Bernd’s)
5. Ella (Artemis)
6. Yoel (Samya)
7. Linda/ Karolina/ Adriana (World/ Oase)
8. Gabriella (Oase)
9. Michelle (Oase)
10. Hanna (Oase)
Honorable mention:
Paula (Oase), Celina (Oase), Elena (Oase), Jamilla (Oase), Magda (Bernd’s), Susie (Bernd’s), Jamilla (Bernd’s), Babsi (Bernd’s), Sandra (Bernd’s), Cynthia (GT- ex LR), Leila (Babylon)
Obviously, this list is heavily weighted on the side of the 2 clubs that I visit the most, Bernd’s and Oase. It’s not only the sheer amount of visits that skew the results. Since I’m better known and recognized at these clubs as a return customer, SP tend to make more of an effort, have some confidence about me that I'm not an ax-murderer, know that I favor longer slower sessions, and love to munch muschi (and I'm pretty good at it- yes your reputation gets around) all of which lead to better sessions from the SP. Plus I'm in my comfort zone, know the terrain, can more easily navigate the treacherous waters of scammers, sharks, and subpar performers, and I feel more relaxed and on my game leading to better selections.
No “Best of” list would be complete without mentioning some of my “partners in mayhem” with whom I’ve had the honor to meet up with this past year including Angus Magee, Toscana, Dedalus, Italia 1974, Marlow, Excess, MP Lurker and Basket Case. To all, thanks for the company, friendship and shared times and may we share many mongering memories in 010.
Finally, one last note on the decade passed: Hard to believe that I was a relatively new, wet behind the ear hobbyist when the 00's started. Hard to believe also that the wealth of information available on the internet, including club websites, indexed catalogues by categories, review sites and community BB's, indeed even ISG, which has become a significant part of our daily routines, didn't really exist back then. ISG has certainly helped me become a more sophisticated monger, open new geographies for sexploration, experience life and sensations in ways which I had never previously imagined, connect with some incredible women and meet some really great people with whom to share this common interest.
JACKSON- We owe you Big Time!
Wishing you and yours a healthy and prosperous New Year filled with good times, happy memories and lots of sex! May your sessions always be long and may your sperm count never wither!
Gfe Finder
01-01-10, 05:34
Inventory Report: Can't balance the books as I'm in debt to this forum for about 10 visit reports that I haven’t had a chance to write and post.
I likely speak for many in saying that we enjoy and appreciate your reports, and they're worth the wait. At the rate things are going, I may get my Bernds December reports posted before you catch up! ;)
I may not have 10 distinct picks but in the interest of re-affirming some favorites and putting some new names out for discussion, I present my own list:
1. Anna, from Poland, Bernds
2. Gabriela, from Venezuela, Oase
3. Stephanie, from Colombia, Oase
4. Sandra, from Germany, Bernds
5. Erika, from Romania, Bernds
The rest of the list, in no particular order:
Four of the remaining 5 are Bernds girls: Alex from Bulgaria, Babsi from Germany/Mara from Holland, Rita from Belarus. Debby from Germany (ex-Bernds, now at Parksauana Residenz) rounds out the top 10.
Yes, the list is concentrated on 2 venues, but I say that if you find places with a great atmosphere and quality service, stick with them! There’s no need to fix what ain’t broke.
May your sessions always be long and may your sperm count never wither!
I'm sure the SPs wish the former to all readers as well. :) Happy New Year to one and all, with additional thanks to Jackson for all of your hard work keeping this forum running smoothly!
May your 2010 sessions be rich in GFE!
All the best in 2010 to mongers wherever you choose to practice our hobby.
It has been a great one, and I can hardly wait to get back into the towel and clubs this year. Met a number of really stand-up (in every sense of the word) fellow practitioners. You know who you are, you reprobates.
Indeed, every club visit is a learning experience and every girl going in to the room is my current favorite until she or I demonstrates otherwise.
Here is to many, many more in pastures new and old.
To Jackson, thanks for making it so much easier and fun on a global scale.
Final comment for 2010 to self, with apologies to a monger who frequents Argentina: " Sperm Management". `Nuff said.
E.
Basketcase
01-01-10, 11:15
Hello Toscana, if she has top model body, decent english and strong tanned, she is the one I saw on Xmas. ( not sure about the name, but the one I chatted a bit, was from Serbia, that's I remember. Also very tall and reminded me that Serbia is the country in Europe with higher female average height)
I am just curious, where I can find your report about her or how she is in bed ?
Thanks
Lukasek,
I think your Eva that you saw working at FKK World on Christmas day, 25 December 2009 was the lady I have listed as Eva (Croatia) who is tall, has a dark tanned, long brown hair pass her shoulders with some bleach blond streaks, enhanced breasts to C cup at least, leggy, bee sting lips, porno star look. She does not appear to hunt for customers much but tends to stay in the main bar area.
Eva (Serbia) is slim, dark hair to her neck line, A cup breasts, well leggy, firm arse which I find her best asset. She constantly is hunting for bears by walking both floors of World.
As Toscana says World has an excess of Evas when clubs try to ensure girls have different names so that they themselves can tell one from the other and also not to confuse guests when looking for girls.
...Eva (Croatia) who is tall, has a dark tanned, long brown hair pass her shoulders with some bleach blond streaks, enhanced breasts to C cup at least, leggy, bee sting lips, porno star look. She does not appear to hunt for customers much but tends to stay in the main bar area...
Basketcase,
right, I was wrong, from your detailed description she was Eva Croatia, as porn star look, all the time in bar area and so on.... btw did you sessioned her ?
I was in doubt, as she looks good, but I was afraid too much professional.
Angus Magee
01-01-10, 14:03
Thanks for the list and the reporting on the Artemis scene.
Interesting point that may need some explanation is your list containing a high number of Frankfurt based or orginating sex workers given that you are a regular at Artemis. Is there something in the Frankfurt clubs that may be attributable here?
A good question Basketcase. And believe me one that I have given much consideration.
First, as Iseeu notes I did have some help with the selection process while on my October tour. And much appreciated as I have noted before.
But I can also point out that once Iseeu had left Oase I didn't do too, too badly on my own selection at Oase (Rebecca, Janey-both of whom gave me better than average sessions) and I do seem to do well on a regular basis at Artemis, my "home" club.
I often find that we can get a wee bit over analytical about these things. If a club works for you it works. End of story really for me.
For me Artemis works mainly because it is the one and only club within easy access to where I live, Berlin. But I am also the first to admit that Artemis has its' problems. The girls there tend towards being processors. They generally want to get you to the room as fast as possible with as little pre-session warm up as they can get away with.
The reason for this, I think, is that Artemis is very much a tourist destination. It has its' regulars (yours truly for instance) but if you look around on any given day, many of the punters are obviously from out of town. So the girls can get away with giving less than stellar service and still make their money. After a while it sort of becomes the club culture and part of how it operates. And there really isn't anywhere else to go unless you hop an ICE to Frankfurt.
Oase has two other top FKK within a half hour drive. The girls must realize this even if only on a subconscious level and thus the whole slump of service never really happens. The punters keep them honest.
I for one have really started to be much more selective in my girl selection at Artemis.I will not support the lousy rushed service that some girls want to give. I have my regular providers and I am always on the look out for new girls who might give better service. I found one this past visit-Tiziana-who it seems is an Oase girl doing Artemis as a side trip.
In the long run I think it is up to the customer (us punters) to not put up with the girls' antics and lousy service. Even if that means saying "no" to a real beauty who plops herself in your lap and wiggles her tits in your face. If she gives no indication of otherwise giving good service, and if she balks at a "get to know ya" pre-session snog-she does not get an invitation to a more intimate session.
But in defense of the girls I also have to note that I do sympathize with them to a degree. When I first met Liz, and invited her to a lie down on the sofa she did pull back when my hands began to roam. I questioned her on this and she indicated that I might just be in it for a free feel. I had to assure her that I was serious in my intentions (Jesus-sounds like a commitment...) to take her to a room.
But my point is that, at Artemis at least, there are tons of guys who do think that they can monopolize a girl's time, feel her up and then ditch her with no room time. It happens a lot my regular providers tell me. This makes them skittish about the pre-session time that us aficionados so value.
So I also have to take a look at my own actions and make sure that I do have some true intention to take her to a room before I let my hands go roaming and expecting a tongue kiss from a girl. They may be girls who are selling their services, but they are also girls who deserve the same respect I would afford any other girl I meet.
End of lecture.
Have fun.
AM
Basketcase,
right, I was wrong, from your detailed description she was Eva Croatia, as porn star look, all the time in bar area and so on.... btw did you sessioned her ?
I was in doubt, as she looks good, but I was afraid too much professional.
Hey,
If you like her looks, then you probably missed out on a good time. Eva is professional, but in the best sense of the word. I've always had good times with her and have never (or rarely) heard anyone complain about her. In fact, I know one experienced cocksman who can be pretty difficult to please and Eva is not his type. However he pulled the trigger with her and was pretty satisfied with the results.
I had the same fear when I initially saw her as she comes off a bit distant, but I was quite surprised and more than happy with her performance. She's very sexy, friendly and knows how to make it happen in the room. Smokin' body if you like bolt-ons, and great wheels.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who is about to pay World a New Year's visit.
Hey,
If you like her looks, then you probably missed out on a good time....
Thanks Dedalus, I am not happy to read I was wrong, but good to know it, as yes, definetely I loved her beauty, not chance to warm up, so I did not take her.
Best regards
Travelerb69
01-03-10, 00:51
My top ten hit parade for 2009
1- Anna, Belarus, World. I think I was the only one to report about her here, at the Dutch forum in all reports guys rave about her. Brunette, long straight hair, blue eyes, late twenties/early 30s, about 1,65m. Reported to be at the club early December.
2-Alexandra, Russia, GT, curly blond hair, 1,70m, still at the club.
3- Melissa, Kirghistan, GT, a legend, took me ages to book her cause she is always busy. Deserves all her reputation and more.
4- Dalia, German, GT, brown hair, apparently quit.
5- Leona, German, GT, brunette, beautiful face and body, 1,70m, still at the club.
6- Jana, Poland, GT, petite blond, 100% GFE.
7- Luciana, Albania, FKK 39, blond, 1,70m
8- Timea, Hungary, Oase, well known here.
9- Angelika, Poland, GT, tall blond, long straight hair. Did her in September, she is reported to be working now at Villa Marisol.
10- Cassandra, Russia, GT, bleached blond, disappeared but was recently seen at Living Room on a Saturday.
7 out of 10 at Golden Time so I do not have to write which was my favorite club in 2009...
Ekliges Lauern
01-03-10, 02:04
I often find that we can get a wee bit over analytical about these things. If a club works for you it works. End of story really for me.Wise words.
The reason for this, I think, is that Artemis is very much a tourist destination. It has its' regulars (yours truly for instance) but if you look around on any given day, many of the punters are obviously from out of town. So the girls can get away with giving less than stellar service and still make their money. After a while it sort of becomes the club culture and part of how it operates. And there really isn't anywhere else to go unless you hop an ICE to Frankfurt.Palace, which I like, has a similar reputation. Of course I am considered a minor regular as I am there every few months. I tend to get as good of service there as any of the other clubs I visit. I have a good business story as to why I am there. Basically, I don't come off as a once in a lifetime sex tourist.
Oase has two other top FKK within a half hour drive. The girls must realize this even if only on a subconscious level and thus the whole slump of service never really happens. The punters keep them honest.Not sure I agree. Oase has a larger line up than Palace, but I've had a few train wreck sessions over the years there as well. The last time a girl attempted banditry on me was a couple of years ago at Oase. I've also been asked a few times by new girls "Is this your first time here? " which in my FKK to English dictionary translates "May I extract as many Euro as possible from you providing as little service as possible? "
I for one have really started to be much more selective in my girl selection at Artemis. I will not support the lousy rushed service that some girls want to give. I have my regular providers and I am always on the look out for new girls who might give better service. I found one this past visit-Tiziana-who it seems is an Oase girl doing Artemis as a side trip.The fact that you are a regular and repeat with girls tips the scales in your favor. New girls understand the session is an audition for repeat status and you will tend to get their A game.
In the long run I think it is up to the customer (us punters) to not put up with the girls' antics and lousy service. Even if that means saying "no" to a real beauty who plops herself in your lap and wiggles her tits in your face. If she gives no indication of otherwise giving good service, and if she balks at a "get to know ya" pre-session snog-she does not get an invitation to a more intimate session.Again, wise words. It's all about how you carry yourself and are perceived in a club. The girls have a lot of down time and they are observing us. I've had one girl (a regular) tell me she noticed I never take her for my first session, but only my second or third. There was a reason, but I was surprised she was watching my choices that closely.
The other thing is the girls talk among themselves. Be a good customer (clean, friendly, polite) and you will be rewarded.
But in defense of the girls I also have to note that I do sympathize with them to a degree. When I first met Liz, and invited her to a lie down on the sofa she did pull back when my hands began to roam. I questioned her on this and she indicated that I might just be in it for a free feel. I had to assure her that I was serious in my intentions (Jesus-sounds like a commitment.) to take her to a room.
So I also have to take a look at my own actions and make sure that I do have some true intention to take her to a room before I let my hands go roaming and expecting a tongue kiss from a girl. They may be girls who are selling their services, but they are also girls who deserve the same respect I would afford any other girl I meet.I'm with you on that as well. It's all about being polite. If a girl sits down next to me that I am not interested in sessioning with (now or later), I'll put my arm around her and chat with her for a minute or two, but no feeling up. And I avoid kissing (other than the polite hello-goodbye variety) if the girl is not in the running for a session.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Regards,
EL
Have you ever met an FKK girl with a striking resemblance to a bona fide celebrity, much more that a similiarity to one of many porn stars?
No, I am not talking like someone similar to Rosanne or Mimi, but rather someone like Eva Longoria (who I'd like to find).
Also, thank you for posting your top 10 girls from 2009. Hopefully I will meet and enjoy a few of them during my mid-Feb tour. And no, I won't reveal that they are so and so's favorite, if and when I do meet them.
I want to thank those who kindly offered their guidance and advice to some questions I posted here. And hopefully, I can return a little of their generosity by posting my experience as an FKK newbie.
My general plan is to fly into FRA on the morning of 2/8 and take the S8/S5 train to Oase, spending the day until I have to leave in the early evening to catch a late plane out of FRA. I gave up trying to get to DUS by train or car for an early morning flight from DUS. It wasn't allowing me to stay later at Oase by taking a DUS flight the next morning, plus I'll get a good night of sleep before work on 2/9 that way, also. I am sure that staying at Oase from 10 am to 7 pm should be enough for a first experience there.
BTW, I found a good site with the train timetables at http://www.rmv.de/auskunft/bin/jp/stboard.exe/en?L=vs_rmv&newrequest=yes&
On the return, I'll fly into DUS on 2/17 and rent a car. My plan is to spend a day at The Hof with the potential of a second day there. Other tour venues could include GT, Samya, Babylon, and possibly LR, Mettmann, Grimsberg, or Chilly Time. But I know I won't be able to make an appearance at all of them - for various reasons, lol.
For starters, I am planning on The Hof for Weds, Samya/Babylon on Thurs, and back at The Hof for Friday. If I like what I see and experience, I would tend to stay in one place rather than hop all over, spending money on entrance fees. But this plan may change based on circumstances, if for example I decide to forgo a second day at The Hof for a day at GT, probably on Friday 2/19?
For a finale on 2/20, I plan to spend an extended day back at Oase, until closing at 5 am, taking the car back to FRA in the morning.
If any ISG'rs happen into me, be sure to say hi and perhaps we can compare notes and hang together for awhile. I'll be the guy in the white towel. I'd be glad to give you a ride if you happen to be headed in the same direction as I am.
Based on what I have learned here, I'll be able to be selective to a certain extent and possibly avoid the barenjaegers.
Rufus T Firefly
01-03-10, 07:06
I just discovered by reading the ISG board that the timing of my trip coincides with Carnival. Most of the tour to occur on Feb 17-20. Is it so bad (lack of girls) that I should abort the plan, or not? I have no choice on the range of dates, because I am mixing business and pleasure.
It is my hope that someday I can be in Cologne for Carnival/Fasching. I hear it's a great party. I have friends who were accosted and kissed by hot women on the street during Carnival. Yeah, mild stuff for the crew here but it's not something that happens to me very often. Like never.
Rufus
Angus Magee
01-03-10, 17:06
Not sure I agree. Oase has a larger line up than Palace, but I've had a few train wreck sessions over the years there as well. The last time a girl attempted banditry on me was a couple of years ago at Oase. I've also been asked a few times by new girls "Is this your first time here? " which in my FKK to English dictionary translates "May I extract as many Euro as possible from you providing as little service as possible? "
Hi EL,
I think we more or less agree. But remember, I do not say that you can not have disastrous session at Oase, just that the culture there struck me as a wee bit kinder, gentler and more conducive to the type of session I normally seek. The girls did seem a bit more customer service oriented as displayed by their custom of asking me if I wanted a drink and going to get it for me.
At Artemis this is almost unheard of and it is a nice touch that costs them nothing.
Also when a girl asks me if it is my first time-sometimes, no doubt, it is a way of her gauging me. But at other times, I am sure, it is just a girl looking for a conversational gambit.
I have been accused of being a wee bit naive when it comes to working girls. While I am not a complete pushover, I do tend to take them at face value and not look for deeper meaning in what they say. After all, if they are looking to fleece someone, I for one would hope that they find someone with a few more fleece-able assets than yours truly. And I have been know to tell a young lovely just that.
The other thing is the girls talk among themselves. Be a good customer (clean, friendly, polite) and you will be rewarded.
God Damm EL-I'm so clean, friendly & polite I sometimes wonder why there isn't a line-up forming to the left of girls who want to pay me to take them to the room...
But seriously, the above is very true. The rewards are often subtle, but they are there.
I have a good business story as to why I am there. Basically, I don't come off as a once in a lifetime sex tourist.Frankfurt is a good place for that since many people visit the place legitimately(non-mongering) and sort of regularly. Even if I didn't go there primarily for business I would be telling such a story because the girls couldn't really ask too many questions, could they? I also visit Amsterdam for business sometimes but never on my own and don't dare go near RLD or prives for fear of being seen by colleagues. Funny I don't worry about German colleagues in Frankfurt though. I wonder what I'd do.
Ekliges Lauern
01-04-10, 06:51
Frankfurt is a good place for that since many people visit the place legitimately(non-mongering) and sort of regularly. Even if I didn't go there primarily for business I would be telling such a story because the girls couldn't really ask too many questions, could they? I also visit Amsterdam for business sometimes but never on my own and don't dare go near RLD or prives for fear of being seen by colleagues. Funny I don't worry about German colleagues in Frankfurt though. I wonder what I'd do.I have legitimate business in Amsterdam, but don't mind a trip to Damfpkring now and then. If I run into a business associate, well that would be one more thing we have to bond over.
RLD is a bit of a tourist attraction, so that could be explained away easily. The Dutch are pretty tolerant of personal vices.
Likewise Frankfurt I have business associates as well. If I saw one in the FKK (first, I doubt I would notice them unless I was checking out them getting a Kino BJ) it really would not be a problem. My worry is being seen entering an FKK by a business associate. I have taken to taking a cab and quickly darting in the door during regular business hours on business days. I could probably explain away my presence if observed walking down the street near an FKK by business associates, but it still would be awkward.
Likewise the Germans are pretty tolerant when it comes to vices related to sex. They can be fairly tough business wise, so I would not want to expose that to them in any event.
It is a legitimate consideration for those of us who cross business with pleasure, sometimes too closely.
Ekliges Lauern
01-04-10, 07:27
Hi EL,
I think we more or less agree. But remember, I do not say that you can not have disastrous session at Oase, just that the culture there struck me as a wee bit kinder, gentler and more conducive to the type of session I normally seek. The girls did seem a bit more customer service oriented as displayed by their custom of asking me if I wanted a drink and going to get it for me.
...
But seriously, the above is very true. The rewards are often subtle, but they are there.Yep, you have to take control of the quality of your sessions.
Happy to take you on a visit to Palace sometime I am in Frankfurt. I'll share my patented shark repellent tips.
I have a good business story as to why I am there. Basically, I don't come off as a once in a lifetime sex tourist.
If a girl asks me why I'm in Germany, I tell her the truth. I just smile and say, "I'm here to see you." The typical response is a laugh and a kiss.
In anticipation of my pending trip to FKKland, I find myself evaluating every woman I see in terms of whether she is fuckable in an FKK environment, lol.
This is very Anglo-Saxon to have worries about being seen in or near a sex club by a business associate/buddy/wife/mistress/priest....okay the last three might be legit grounds for guilt feelings.
But take it from me Germans don't give a damn if you pay for sex, are seen in a sex club, caught hunched over a nubile 18 year old in the porno kino, or stark bollock naked flopped on a bed of 'camel toes'. It is not going to affect your standing with them at all.
Unless you speak fluent accentless German the girls are going to know you are a) out of town and b)on tour, while C and D they regard as given for every man who enters a sexclub.
C=Married/divorced/kids
D=Randy/fat wallet
Long time lurker, first time poster. Hope to contribute more in the future.
I have an FKK trip planned for later this week. Arrive into Dusseldorf on Friday, depart on Wednesday. Will spend most of my time in the Frankfurt area.
I'm concerned that there is forecast to be snow and temperatures of.1 or.2.
Will the German operations be as efficient as ever, I. E. Trains on time and clubs open, or where it will be some cataclysmic end of the earth scene like is forming here in the UK?
Damn, Marlow.
And here I was after many years thinking that all the girls loved me and they simply accepted € 50 notes to humour the old fart.
What ever happend to ``Club girls never lie?``
:-) Have a good one, M.
E.
This is very Anglo-Saxon to have worries about being seen in or near a sex club by a business associate/buddy/wife/mistress/priest....okay the last three might be legit grounds for guilt feelings.
But take it from me Germans don't give a damn if you pay for sex, are seen in a sex club, caught hunched over a nubile 18 year old in the porno kino, or stark bollock naked flopped on a bed of 'camel toes'. It is not going to affect your standing with them at all.
Unless you speak fluent accentless German the girls are going to know you are a) out of town and b)on tour, while C and D they regard as given for every man who enters a sexclub.
C=Married/divorced/kids
D=Randy/fat wallet
Germany? why germany? do you have friends in germany? are you german? why do you keep going back to germany? why always frankfurt, why not another city in europe? its winter, why not go somewhere warm? do they have those districts like Amsterdam?
The questions go on and on....why, why, why? Some people I can tell the reason...most I just say "I love the way of life in Germany". I am german...so that helps. I also say i've got friends that I visit, hence the return to the same towns/airports. And in my excuses, my previous travel wingman got a job in Germany and moved over there...way to go Jackyo. Set the timer on the camera and its "ohh, jackyo took that picture...and the next one...and the next one". Pretty soon its going to be "jackyo's getting married".....then he wants me at his sons barmitzva"...bet Jackyo didn't even know he was jewish..or had a son. ;-)
Basketcase
01-06-10, 18:20
Germany? why germany? do you have friends in germany? are you german? why do you keep going back to germany? why always frankfurt, why not another city in europe? its winter, why not go somewhere warm? do they have those districts like Amsterdam?
The questions go on and on....why, why, why? Some people I can tell the reason...most I just say "I love the way of life in Germany". I am german...so that helps. I also say i've got friends that I visit, hence the return to the same towns/airports. And in my excuses, my previous travel wingman got a job in Germany and moved over there...way to go Jackyo. Set the timer on the camera and its "ohh, jackyo took that picture...and the next one...and the next one". Pretty soon its going to be "jackyo's getting married".....then he wants me at his sons barmitzva"...bet Jackyo didn't even know he was jewish..or had a son. ;-)
I just tell the girls that I am a sex tourist. I mean its the truth and I do not need to make up stories. I mean it all comes out when you say you have been to Spain, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark, Czech Republic, Holland, Australia, UK and the girls say that they have too working around the world as professionals. You end up having something in common.
Some girls think it is hilarious and make jokes about my tourism.
I think this is an answer said more bluntly to Regnad saying." he is here to see the girls/you"
As for people at home when I have to explain all the trips I do well they know I have a few friends in Germany and it is where all my international friends go to meet since Frankfurt is a transport hub. So many guys complain about my homeland's airports so we pick a neutral country to visit for our reunions.
Make sense?
Bunniksider
01-06-10, 18:22
......... I also visit Amsterdam for business sometimes but never on my own and don't dare go near RLD or prives for fear of being seen by colleagues..........Aren't Prives just that private ? I like the explanation that a betrothed man wouldn't want to meet his father in law to be in a brothel (for either of their sakes).
When I have visited Park 118 I have been shown to one reception room whilst another client is having his introductions in another.
Also whilst at a prive in Eindhoven (sorry I forget the name) I was asked did I want a private or public introduction to the girls, I went with public and I was introduced to the girls in the bar. Another chap asked for private and this involved a number of curtains being drawn to separate him from the bar and any other guests, also when he was leaving curtains were drawn and nobody saw who he was.
Basketcase
01-06-10, 21:24
Long time lurker, first time poster. Hope to contribute more in the future.
I have an FKK trip planned for later this week. Arrive into Dusseldorf on Friday, depart on Wednesday. Will spend most of my time in the Frankfurt area.
I'm concerned that there is forecast to be snow and temperatures of.1 or.2.
Will the German operations be as efficient as ever, I. E. Trains on time and clubs open, or where it will be some cataclysmic end of the earth scene like is forming here in the UK?
I think you are going to find out just like I am going to find out too this Winter.
Last winter I drove around in December, January, February and March in the Taunus hills around Frankfurt for World and Oase. A couple of times I had to dig the car out of the snow and the car did slip around on the ice but it was fine since the UK is a land of drivers. I even did this in a Smart car or a Ford Fiesta. Kein problem dude.
Trains all ran on time too as did all my flights in and out of Deutschland.
I'll be watching the weather forecasts just like you mate. I am not saying it is easy driving in snow but it is possible especially on the A and B roads which are salted and gritted. If not take a taxi.
Please visit and please report back here your experiences. I will do the same for my trip.
Make sense?
I was refering to my home home...not my home away from home. Explaining to guys I work with, friends and family etc...
Basketcase
01-06-10, 21:58
I was refering to my home home...not my home away from home. Explaining to guys I work with, friends and family etc...
Hi Breadman
I think I did explain what I say to people at home home when I said:
"As for people at home when I have to explain all the trips I do well they know I have a few friends in Germany and it is where all my international friends go to meet since Frankfurt is a transport hub. So many guys complain about my homeland's airports so we pick a neutral country to visit for our reunions.
Make sense?"
So the general story is I have connections to Germany and it is always cool when people ask how was my weekend to Germany and how was "XXXXX and YYYYY in Frankfurt that you know over there"?
Were you expecting a different explanation?
Hejasverige
01-06-10, 22:10
Maybe out of topic, but how do you guys finance your mongering?
I design websites.
As for people at home when I have to explain all the trips I do well they know I have a few friends in Germany and it is where all my international friends go to meet since Frankfurt is a transport hub. So many guys complain about my homeland's airports so we pick a neutral country to visit for our reunions.
Make sense?
I also point out that Frankfurt is one of the cheapest destinations in europe, which is true. Its cheaper to fly to europe in the winter than to mexico or canada.
Bacon Sandwich
01-07-10, 07:28
I'm posting this here because I'm not sure where to post it.
I was in the US last week on business, and had a little free time, so I went to a popular American site, eros.com, (I used the eros-ny.com section since I was in New York) to see if I could hook up with an attractive and willing lady.
I was stunned.
The first ad I read was that of Giselle, a very pretty young lady of 25 years old who describes herself as a combination of german and brasilian stock. To judge by the pictures she is, seriously, very pretty: great ass, what look to be very nice, un-enhanced tits. Beautiful olive skin.
She wanted 500 dollars for what was called a "one-hour introduction."
Are you fucking kidding me?!?! Giselle is, as I said, very attractive. She has, as I said, a great ass and nice, olive skin. But $500 is, by the current exchange rate, 346 euro, which is over four times the rate that I paid just a month ago for a girl who called herself Gulcan, who worked at Samya in Cologne until recently, to give me a nice, long deep blowjob and, along with a friend of hers, whose name I unfortunately cannot recall, lick my ass for nearly and hour, after which she allowed me to fuck both her and her friend deeply while they kissed me passionately, shoving their tongues nearly to my tonsils. Seriously. 150 euro for an hour of pleasure that I will probably remember for the rest of my life. Needless to say, they were both at least as hot as Giselle.
What the fuck is wrong with America? As an American, I don't know. It's a country that seems to extol sex as a virtue--watch any cable late-night channel to get a feel for it--and yet when it comes to actually fulfilling the desires it stokes, it seems to say that if you're a millionaire you can get your willy off, but everyone else is only allowed to watch.
I'm fairly certain that you could, for 50 euro on the rue d'aerschot in Brussels, get better service than nearly anywhere in the United States for 500 dollars. (The one exception perhaps being strip clubs in Detroit, where I have been offered, and accepted, a blowjob for 100 bucks.) (But even that does not compare to the tamest European red light district)
None of this has a point, I guess, except to say that I cannot wait to get back to my beloved Europe, not only for the sex, but also for the sense of proportionality. The sense that while, yes, sex is good and wonderful and a real enhancement of the human condition, it is not priceless.
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Australiasucks
01-07-10, 19:54
I actually checked with my travel agent, a ticket to Frankfurt via Amsterdam is cheaper than a ticket directly to Amsterdam. This was a KLM flight too, which was surprising, I guess its all supply and demand. Amsterdam is well known as an adult tourism destination. I went there once but after seeing what Germany offers never bothered going again.
Gentleman Travel
01-08-10, 16:40
Have German airports gone security-mad like American ones have?
I am planning to take advantage of a lay-over at Frankfurt to go to FKK Palace.
One issue - I was planning to bring along a sex toy, which I would bring in my carry-on luggage. Yet I hear all kinds of things about new restrictions on carry-on being limited to true essentials. Anyone travelled since Christmas with a toy in their carry-on?
Second issue - last time I did this, I zoomed from the Palace to the airport in no time and breezed through security, leaving me with lots of time on my hands that could have better been spent going a third round at the Palace. So I was planning to linger longer this time, but now I am not sure. Are security lines at Frankfurt any different now than they were last year?
Thanks for any advice....
One issue - I was planning to bring along a sex toy, which I would bring in my carry-on luggage. Yet I hear all kinds of things about new restrictions on carry-on being limited to true essentials.Well, its being essential, you should be OK. :-)
Sorry. Facetiousness aside, I can't help. Haven't flown recently.
I'm posting this here because I'm not sure where to post it.
I was in the US last week on business, and had a little free time, so I went to a popular American site, eros.com, (I used the eros-ny.com section since I was in New York) to see if I could hook up with an attractive and willing lady.
I was stunned.
North America, my friend, is not a total wasteland. I'm sitting right now in a hotel in downtown Montreal, still recovering from a session known to the locals as Michelle, The Energizer Bunny. She was supposed to be here an hour, but, in her enthusiasm, she overstayed by 15 minutes. When she left, I paid her 180$ CDN, pretty typical in these parts.
Anyone travelled since Christmas with a toy in their carry-on?Ok. I am dying to know... What kind of sex toy do you bring to an FKK and where do you carry it when you are there? I thought the gazelles were the sex toys?
North America, my friend, is not a total wasteland. I'm sitting right now in a hotel in downtown Montreal, still recovering from a session known to the locals as Michelle, The Energizer Bunny. She was supposed to be here an hour, but, in her enthusiasm, she overstayed by 15 minutes. When she left, I paid her 180$ CDN, pretty typical in these parts.It depends on what he wants, and comparing a high price NYC escort to an FKK is like apples and oranges. A different experience. Granted a $500 tab for an hour is pretty steep, but there are better North American choices than that, like Montreal, as you point out. Even in NYC, there are better choices to be found. One very memorable time, I paid $600 for two hours with a bona fide Penthouse Centerfold, which transpired into a hot 4. 5 hours with pictures, followed by a marriage proposal, LOL.
And at the same time, he would avoid a $400+ 16 hour round trip flight plus hotel rooms. He would see a provider that probably only has 3-4 sessions a week, more or less, vs. 5-6 sessions per DAY for an FKK girl.
And a fair comparison would be an extended FKK session with a CIM extra, costing $250 US at Oase. In Montreal, I typically got a good 50 min session with two pops and a CIM finish with a very attractive girl, costing 180$ CDN (most have gone up to 200$ CDN). But you don't get a parade of naked, sexy, willing women with a pre-session warm up there either. Nor do you get a jacuzzi, sauna, food, and drink.
Gfe Finder
01-09-10, 03:53
North America, my friend, is not a total wasteland. I'm sitting right now in a hotel in downtown Montreal, still recovering from a session known to the locals as Michelle, The Energizer Bunny. She was supposed to be here an hour, but, in her enthusiasm, she overstayed by 15 minutes. When she left, I paid her 180$ CDN, pretty typical in these parts.
Possbily off-topic but I couldn't resist--
There's an even better place down south. In the Caribbean (specifically Saint Maarten) you can get time with a Colombiana for ~$50.
Anyone travelled since Christmas with a toy in their carry-on?I can tell you that I was in Amsterdam during the terrorism thing.
I had a vibrator, 50 condoms, lube, etc..
They saw it, and didn't even blink an eye
It was a lot stricter in Schiphol than anywhere else lately..
I guarantee you that
Best Regards
Smuler
In Montreal, I typically got a good 50 min session with two pops and a CIM finish with a very attractive girl, costing 180$ CDN (most have gone up to 200$ CDN). But you don't get a parade of naked, sexy, willing women with a pre-session warm up there either. Nor do you get a jacuzzi, sauna, food, and drink.
I would never compare an hour or two with a Montreal escort with the FKK experience. There is no comparison, otherwise, why would I bother flying to Frankfurt? (I live 90 minutes from Montreal and have, at one time, owned a flat there.)
Montreal is wonderful; FKKland is Disneyworld. And, by the way, I don't know of any Montreal agencies that have gone to 200$. There's even one new active agency operating at 160$.
Australiasucks
01-10-10, 05:40
North America, my friend, is not a total wasteland. I'm sitting right now in a hotel in downtown Montreal, still recovering from a session known to the locals as Michelle, The Energizer Bunny. She was supposed to be here an hour, but, in her enthusiasm, she overstayed by 15 minutes. When she left, I paid her 180$ CDN, pretty typical in these parts.I have been to Canada, Montreal is ok, nothing to rave about. Germany outclasses it in everyway, top shelf EE women in FKK clubs.
Please tell me names of good FKK near Munich?
Can anyone report how the bad weather has affected the clubs? How is the driving conditions?
thanks.
can anyone report how the bad weather has affected the clubs? how is the driving conditions?
thanks.
go about 10-15km slower and just make sure you have winter tires, ice scraper and plenty of windshield wiper fluids and you'll be fine. autobahns are in good shape except for some sections on the a1 btw dusseldorf and cologne where there is a lot of construction and truck traffic.
I don't quite understand why that if you take the time to DATY and truly do it well to a good O, why the girl shouldn't give a good CIM discount in return. It would be like hitting the target with the water gun until the bell rings and you win the prize.
I can tell you that I was in Amsterdam during the terrorism thing.
I had a vibrator, 50 condoms, lube, etc..
They saw it, and didn't even blink an eye
So now we know how to launch the next terrorist onslaught.
Just disguise your hardware and software as above and fly into Amsterdam.
Liberal Dutch attitudes will take care of the rest...
Hessen Bub
01-11-10, 08:29
Please tell me names of good FKK near Munich?
FKK Colosseum in Augsburg. www.fkk-colosseum.de
FKK Morgenland in Ulm. http://www.fkkmorgenland.com/index.php
FKK Hawaii in Ingolstadt. www.fkk-hawaii.de
HB
I had a vibrator, 50 condoms, lube, etc...
So now we know how to launch the next terrorist onslaught.
Just disguise your hardware and software as above and fly into Amsterdam.
Liberal Dutch attitudes will take care of the rest...
Yes, but will they get you to turn it on and test in use, like they do for laptop PC's?
Hessen Bub
01-11-10, 13:38
Yes, but will they get you to turn it on and test in use, like they do for laptop PC's?
Even if, who cares as long as the security lady is young, beautiful and does CIM?
HB
Gentleman Travel
01-11-10, 15:51
Ok. I am dying to know... What kind of sex toy do you bring to an FKK and where do you carry it when you are there? I thought the gazelles were the sex toys?
Ordinarily I would agree - let the girls be the sex toy and earn their money.
But this is a new and innovative sex toy that I may help promote,
so I am interested in fully testing it in a target-rich environment.
Purely in the interests of scientific enquiry, you understand.
Basketcase
01-11-10, 20:43
Can anyone report how the bad weather has affected the clubs? How is the driving conditions?
ThanksWeather was fine. Just snow flurries. Very still. No wind. Quite nice walking around the garden in the snow when naked after a 15 minute sauna. Some locals would go swimming in the pool after breaking the ice that had formed as a shell on the water.
People walking along the Main river. Taking a nice lunch in town after a short drive through the city the restaurant was very full.
Driving conditions are fine. I could get to to wherever I was going. Even got there quicker in some cases.
Clubs are still there and standing and open for business so not affected.
Many Americans, British, Italians, Dutch, Japanese, Germans, Russians and French in the clubs.
weather was fine. just snow flurries. very still. no wind.
can anyone report how the bad weather has affected the clubs? how is the driving conditions?
thanks.
i would not describe the weather last saturday and sunday both in holland and germany as fine. there was less snow than expected that is true, a traffic infarct was predicted and fortunately that did not happen.
during snowfall driving conditions were very bad even on the autobahn (i drove on the a40 max speed 40-50 km/hr). currently driving conditions on most autobanhs are ok but watch out for the exits. there often the road is very slippery.
local roads (b and l numbered) is different. most b roads are ok but some l roads are still full with ice and snow.
you can drive to any club in nrw and hessen of course, no problem as long as you adapt your speed to the local road conditions.
this week temperatures will still below 0 degrees celsius but no severe snow fall is expected.
club life is not really affected by the winter conditions, i think more by the fact that starting this week many girls will return from their winter break.
i know last weekend there were 50-55 girls in gt. vv and phg were affected a little, but that was caused by the fact that there was a weather warning because more snow was expected than actually fall and many ice bears did not take the risk and did not drive to their preferred destinations.
@weyfarere,
which club did you visit last weekend? you are sure you could drive there faster than normally?? in which club did you see many "americans, british, italians, dutch, japanese, germans, russians and french"?
kind regards,
big30
Angus Magee
01-12-10, 09:14
As far as I can tell the weather here is pretty bad on some spots and not so bad in others. That is the really bad conditions tend to be pretty local.
I would say proceed with a bit of caution but do not over react to the sometimes over done news reports.
Also it is my observation that drivers, at least here in Berlin, are quite inexperienced in snowy, slippery conditions. Keep that in mind and slow down when the traffic gets even a little heavy. This will no doubt be different in other area of Germany.
As for the clubs-it is hard to say and I was not there so this is just some speculation. But I can imagine that many girls arrived back from the holiday before the stormy conditions arrived. The snow could easily keep some punters away. Thus it could very well be a buyers market in some clubs at the moment.
With the right girls, with your game on, this can make for some very memorable sessions.
What we really need are some club cams. Try sneaking that by the lovelies.
Basketcase
01-12-10, 09:22
@weyfarere,
which club did you visit last weekend? you are sure you could drive there faster than normally?? in which club did you see many "americans, british, italians, dutch, japanese, germans, russians and french"?
kind regards,
big30i visited oase and world. i could not resist returning despite the bad weather. i had a great time on my last trip and had been wanting to come back for ages.
i was driving in middle of day and then also late at night. it is as you say, on autobahns and b roads were okay to drive on at normal speed surprisingly. this was the a5 from frankfurt going to oase and up to world. i did well time wise since not much traffic. l roads were snow bound so i drove in low gears and went fairly slowly.
oase had a lot of international men when i was there. at one time there was a bus load of maybe over 20 japanese men who came in for one hour. they came in one big group and walk around the club in one big group or walked around in a line when in the corridors. they each took one girl under direction of their tour leaders and once they finished they all left the club. only one girl each and many had come in 15 minutes. tour leader was checking each man and his girl before they go to the room. it was like the tour leader had to okay each man's pick of girl. i do not know what he was saying but to me it was "do not pay more than 50 euro". when they were picking girls was when the japanese men split up. girls were doing rapid business especially the blondes.
americans were noticeable too, many italians, german locals of course.
i saw some british men. a girl told me what the locals call them. it was funny.
generally slower in the early part of day but to me this seemed normal. some girls complain no men due to weather warnings.
Angus Magee
01-12-10, 09:40
The worse part of a FKK is the boredom between sessions. Is it permitted to bring in an iphone, a laptop or even a book? I can see the iphone or laptop as a problem due to the camera. I think I've seen one person with a book.
Hi,
I moved this up here to the General Info thread. Better not to clutter the specific threads with this sort of post-unless you meant specifically that you were only bore at Palace?
I personally do not find it a problem. But then I think I have a much higher degree of tolerance for boredom than most. Rather, I do not generally get bored as I quite enjoy doing nothing other than sitting and watching what ever is happening-out in the world or in my inner "space".
I think that bringing such things as laptops, iPhones depends upon the club. I know Artemis has a very strict no phone rule in the bar & wellness area-anywhere except the men's dressing room or the entry area in fact. You might be able to get away with a computer in the lower bar but I would ask. I have often though of this myself but then Artemis is one place I go to get away from the computer so I have never done anything about it. The built in camera many laptops have these days might be a problem.
But other clubs I understand are more relaxed about these things and one club (GT?) even has WLAN I think and a room to use laptops. Maybe another member can speak to this?
As for books-I read all the time in the downstairs bar at Artemis, often falling asleep for a while. It is quiet down there and the girls tend not to come down there too much except to take a break themselves at the bar and maybe meet a customer. But they are generally pretty low key with it.
I have even tried reading upstairs but the girls find it just too weird and pester you about it. I think they find it slightly insulting or something. Also the lighting up there really is not adequate for reading.
Reading I think depends upon the club having a suitable reading area. At Oase I could not see a good place to read quietly. Maybe outside during the summer but then with all the naked girls flouncing around, reading could be difficult.
So in the end-no real solution for you on the boredom. I can say that in the past I have practiced yoga & meditation pretty intensely. This is not a quick solution (it takes some years of practice) but it did change eventually my own relationship with doing nothing. I do not now formally meditate often but I can easily sit and just watch the parade of thoughts as they file by and have an awareness of the "gap" between me and the thoughts.
This helps but has very little to do with FKK life.
As for the clubs-it is hard to say and I was not there so this is just some speculation. Thus it could very well be a buyers market in some clubs at the moment.
If you were not in a club the last few weeks then indeed better you do not speculate! I like to see reports based on facts and not upon speculations and imaginations.
Big30
I moved this up here to the General Info thread.
[Angus - I posted this reply under Palace before you moved the discussion. Also, I should like to continue the discussion on restructuring the FKK/PT threads, but this also should be in a more appropriate place, maybe either here or under "Suggestions for FKK's...". If you or someone else copies the existing comments I'll add to them. All the best. PL. ]
Waiting between sessions...
I thought that was the second best part!
I have cherished memories of long relaxed days spent watching the procession of beauties whilst reclining on a sofa at GT, or around the pool at World. The old hamam at Palace was good for that too. Strangely enough there are days that I remember for the atmosphere between sessions even though I have forgotten which girls I did on the day.
Some clubs just have better facilities to relax without feeling that you should be off to your next session. World is better to hang out in than Oase or Palace.
Why don't you take the Sunday papers and try to read them on one of the loungers around the pool at World, until you are too distracted to continue!
To give you a serious answer, I have seen many people using laptops (to write their reviews?) at GT and World, but not noticed this at Oase or Palace. Give a try.
I prefer the local scenery myself.
Have fun.
PL
Take some porn 'literature' and read it to a willing girl (or better yet, have her read it to you), so she can practice her English! Then it won't be so weird or insulting. It might even get interesting! But I wonder if that would count as an extra?
I have even tried reading upstairs but the girls find it just too weird and pester you about it. I think they find it slightly insulting or something. Also the lighting up there really is not adequate for reading.
Reading I think depends upon the club having a suitable reading area. At Oase I could not see a good place to read quietly. Maybe outside during the summer but then with all the naked girls flouncing around, reading could be difficult.
I attend to visit The Palace and document everything from a newbies point of view by bringing a small notebook and keeping it with my valuables. As soon as I pay someone, I'll write their name and a few notes down. Hopefully the girls will ask what I'm doing and I will be honest, telling them its a documentary of their wonderful talents that will be recorded on the web for their future admirers.I wonder what you would think if the girls had laptops and were writing reviews on their forums about us? Would that improve YOUR performance?
Angus Magee
01-12-10, 11:44
Let's face it-if Jackson really wanted these threads kept uncluttered he would have to have help in the form of moderators with the powers to move and/or delete threads. I am guessing that he could not give out these admin powers on just specific threads but to the whole forum. This could cause chaos if the privilege were abused.
So in the mean time my suggestion is that when posting to have a pause and see if it would not be better posted somewhere else.
and-it is what it is.
FKK in Wiesbaden? Where the hell was that?
Books are not a problem, you can bring them to any club.
Phones are not allowed, Palace and World are quite strict about it, even outside, Oase staff doesn't really seem to care.
Laptops you can use downstairs in World an in the relaxing/reading area close the massage at Palace. Girls don't like it, but it is allowed.
and
I thought that was the second best part!
I have cherished memories of long relaxed days spent watching the procession of beauties whilst reclining on a sofa at GT, or around the pool at World. The old hamam at Palace was good for that too. Strangely enough there are days that I remember for the atmosphere between sessions even though I have forgotten which girls I did on the day.
Some clubs just have better facilities to relax without feeling that you should be off to your next session. World is better to hang out in than Oase or Palace.
Why don't you take the Sunday papers and try to read them on one of the loungers around the pool at World, until you are too distracted to continue!
To give you a serious answer, I have seen many people using laptops (to write their reviews?) at GT and World, but not noticed this at Oase or Palace. Give a try.
I prefer the local scenery myself.
Angus Magee
01-12-10, 12:05
If you were not in a club the last few weeks then indeed better you do not speculate! I like to see reports based on facts and not upon speculations and imaginations.
Big30
And I invite you not to read my reports/comments if you find they have no overall merit. Better yet-put me on your ignore list.
Facts-just the facts, show a marked lack of imagination IMHO.
And I invite you not to read my reports/comments if you find they have no overall merit. Better yet-put me on your ignore list.
Facts-just the facts, show a marked lack of imagination IMHO.
I read all reports and comments on this forum. Most of your reports certainly have a lot of added value to this forum! So I will not put you on my ignore list.
Kind regards,
Big30
Hi
I am in Dusseldorf on Thursday and want to have some fun.
I am debating whether to go to the Living Room or Dolce Vita.
Which has the better looking ladies and better service - Dolce Vita or Living Room?
Cheers
WW
Why not travel a little further to GoldenTime?
You are guaranteed a good selection of ladies.
Hi
I am in Dusseldorf on Thursday and want to have some fun.
I am debating whether to go to the Living Room or Dolce Vita.
Which has the better looking ladies and better service - Dolce Vita or Living Room?
Cheers,
WW
Basketcase
01-12-10, 22:09
I wonder what you would think if the girls had laptops and were writing reviews on their forums about us? Would that improve YOUR performance?
The girls already have their informal network on the guys e.g. he comes quickly, or he is easy to please or he likes you to lick his balls. I am impressed the number of times I go with a friend of a girl I have been with before and she does all the sex tricks I like. I get the impression the girls talk about the customers. I mean they have a lot of spare time on their hands and nailing a client to get him to come back especially when he is a known regular at the club can be a nice little earner.
One German girl was telling me one time before she took a man to the room she quizzed her friend who had just fucked the guy on how large was his penis. Her friend said that he was normal and he came quick. Next thing you know she tells me when he took his towel off in the room she saw the man had a huge whopper of a schlong and he fucked her hard for 25 minutes giving her a sore pussy. German girl goes back to her friend and asks why she say he was normal sized and was a quick comer? Her friend said, "well he did with me". I guess her friend had a big pussy. Story made me laugh.
Also some girls tell me, "oh, XXXXX, she does YYYY sex technique on men, I do not do that, not even for 1000 euro."
Or, "I think you will like AAAAAA since you like your girls to be pretty, AAAAAA is beautiful, come I willl show her to you." So I guess the girls talk.
Then there are some regular Oase girls who complain about the newer girls that do not go full naked in the club. Some of these girls actually even avoid working dessous tag since men do not come since the girls wear panties. I have heard girls explain the concept of FKK and girls are meant to be full nude - none of these shoulder wraps, waist coverings, jean shorts, flighty skirts stuff. That is not FKK. These girls have pride in FKK naturism.
Gfe Finder
01-13-10, 02:06
Then there are some regular Oase girls who complain about the newer girls that do not go full naked in the club. Some of these girls actually even avoid working dessous tag since men do not come since the girls wear panties. I have heard girls explain the concept of FKK and girls are meant to be full nude - none of these shoulder wraps, waist coverings, jean shorts, flighty skirts stuff. That is not FKK. These girls have pride in FKK naturism.
Amen! Any chance that such FKK naturists are sharing their opinions with the management as well?
Gfe Finder
01-13-10, 03:32
Take some porn 'literature' and read it to a willing girl (or better yet, have her read it to you), so she can practice her English! Then it won't be so weird or insulting. It might even get interesting! But I wonder if that would count as an extra?
You've given me an idea. I wonder if the Kama Sutra is sold in illustrated pocket paperback. Once I have it with me it at the club, I'll then ask the lady "Dürfen wir dieses im Zimmer tun?" [Point to favorite picture in book.]
Basketcase
01-13-10, 22:03
Amen! Any chance that such FKK naturists are sharing their opinions with the management as well?
Ich habe Keine Ahnung (I have no idea). They only told me what they thought of dessous tag and the disdain for the new girls from the newly opened up EU countries to wear clothes in an FKK.
Girls that wear garments like skirts, jean shorts, waist wraps are giving the Schtinkerfinger to the FKK concept. Schiesse!!
Could you recommend me the best FKK in Dortmund?
You've given me an idea. I wonder if the Kama Sutra is sold in illustrated pocket paperback. Once I have it with me it at the club, I'll then ask the lady "Dürfen wir dieses im Zimmer tun?" [Point to favorite picture in book.]
I think I have even seen a pop-up version! That should attract some attention.
Could you recommend me the best FKK in Dortmund?
If you're qualified for being granted access (door policy is strictly enforced; as far as I know there's no problem with North Americans, Brits or north/central European guests) I'd recommend Mausi (http://www.mausi-und-team.de/). Rather smallish, basic facilities and very service oriented girls. Several girls might not speak english, as the place is mainly visited by locals.
Mausi´s Saunaclub
Aplerbecker Bahnhofstrasse 5
Dortmund
Telefon : 0231 / 446 1111 (Infotelefon)
Rumor is they are soon moving to a new location, so you'd better check just before visiting.
Otherwise you could try Privatclub Neby (http://www.privatclub-neby.de/):
Privatclub Neby
Martenerstr. 539
44379 Dortmund Marten
tel 0173 2466100
or for a cheaper option Bel Ami (www.belami-fkk.de). This one is opened till late and is mainly targeted at Turkish visitors.
Bel Ami
Kressenweg 6
44379 Dortmund-Dorstfeld
Liveline: 0231 - 6 18 52 63
This is getting bizarre. This morning I spotted the models on The Price is Right game show and wondered whether I am going to meet someone at Oase, GT, or World that will look that good. I was even considering the merits of an extra with the black girl, LOL!
Three weeks to go.
This is getting bizarre. This morning I spotted the models on The Price is Right game show and wondered whether I am going to meet someone at Oase, GT, or World that will look that good. I was even considering the merits of an extra with the black girl, LOL!
Three weeks to go.
Yes, the models are very nice. Now, imagine them naked, except for may be a scarf or belt and necklace, (not dessous tag). And they want You! That isn't some cheap product their sliding their hands over...that's you, (Ok so your not a product ;) ) And you'd best consider the merits of an extra with ALL of 'em!
I will be in Frankfurt area for 4 days. Thursday until Monday Feb 4-8.
I am staying at the Mercure in Bad Homburg. Renting a car from Sixt (for 100 euros claiming myself a German resident).
This is my first time in area. Have 4 days of fun. Trying to figure out best days to hit the big 3.
Day 1-Thursday- Oase or World
As I am flying in from Asia probably want the place with most comfortable facilities. Also, Oase has lingere day on Thursday and maybe this may not be the best for a first time FKK visit. Any thoughts.
Day 2 Friday- Palace?
Day 3 Saturday.World
Has Faschings party. Is this party something to attend or avoid?
Day 4 Sunday.Oase. ISG members says it has the best Sunday lineup.
I was considering driving north to NRW but for a first timer I would probably be very happy with the variety of the big 3.
Appreciate the help.
RW
If you're qualified for being granted access (door policy is strictly enforced; as far as I know there's no problem with North Americans, Brits or north/central European guests) I'd recommend Mausi (http://www.mausi-und-team.de/).
Rather smallish, basic facilities and very service oriented girls. Several girls might not speak english, as the place is mainly visited by locals.
Mausi´s Saunaclub
Aplerbecker Bahnhofstrasse 5
Dortmund
Telefon : 0231 / 446 1111 (Infotelefon)
Gattonero,
Do you happen to know if Mausi herself is available ???
Basketcase
01-21-10, 09:27
I am staying at the Mercure in Bad Homburg. Renting a car from Sixt (for 100 euros claiming myself a German resident).
Day 1-Thursday- Oase or World
As I am flying in from Asia probably want the place with most comfortable facilities. Also, Oase has lingere day on Thursday and maybe this may not be the best for a first time FKK visit. Any thoughts.
Day 2 Friday- Palace?
Day 3 Saturday.World
Has Faschings party. Is this party something to attend or avoid?
Day 4 Sunday.Oase. ISG members says it has the best Sunday lineup.
I was considering driving north to NRW but for a first timer I would probably be very happy with the variety of the big 3.
Nice piece of logistical planning and execution with the Mercure Friedrichsdorf and the Sixt car hire for 4 days for 100 euro. Very reasonable. That period 4-8 Feb has no Messe of significance that I can see. A good time to be around.
Dessous Tag at Oase on 4 Feb is a matter of taste and if you like the line up there. You have to remember that the girls are happy to take their clothing off for you if you book them. There are members here that are avid FKK supporters and hold dessous tag in contempt. Some like the difference a bit of revealing clothing provides. Up to you.
World on 4 Feb which is a Thursday is okay too as I have been there on a Thursday before a few times now.
Palace on Friday, 5 Feb is a good bet. Many girls and close to town for revelry later on. Expect a party atmosphere and hang out in the best FKK Kino I think in all Germany. Better than Artemis' which feels like a real movie theatre so you do lose sight of couples fucking when hidden by the backs of the sofas.
Saturday, 6 Feb at World for Fasching party is one if you like parties, big line up and also partying guys (who may not be here for sex but just to party). Expect contingents from most of the main fora whether English speaking or non English speaking. When I say non English speaking I also include cronies from the Asian fora and sometimes Southern Hemisphere fora who find their way here. Most will be continentals though.
For an idea what a FKK World party is like read my report from 12 December of the Christmas party at 969545. There is a good chance that with all the crews there that a lone BC may be amongst them.
Sunday, 7 Feb at Oase is the mainstay advice as having the best line up of the Hessen 3 on a Sunday. To me this reflects the depth and ability of Oase to perform. I argue that if you must reserve the good day of Saturday for World to get a decent evenign out of it then what would it be like to go to Oase on a Saturday? I know guys who do not generally go to Oase on a Friday and Saturday and bemoan when they go to Oase on Sunday why it is so slow and so crap after going to World always on the Saturday.
Read some of the line up lists for each of the days in the respective threads to get an idea of quality and quantity of girls. All the information is there. Just search and read. To get you started have a read of my recent line up list for World 979088 and Oase 979075. Do take into account that Oase's roster of girls working is for a Sunday to give you an idea of a Sunday line up.
Day 1-Thursday- Oase or World
As I am flying in from Asia probably want the place with most comfortable facilities. Also, Oase has lingere day on Thursday and maybe this may not be the best for a first time FKK visit. Any thoughts.
RW, If taking a nap at some point during the day is part of your plan, World is the much stronger option. There's an indoor pool downstairs where guys have been seen reading and napping, as well as fondling. And, right next to that, there's a large non-smoking room filled with couches large enough to stretch out on. You'll find girls passing through and hanging out some, but the non-smoking rule keeps them from spending long stretches there.
Oase has two lounges by the sauna, two more by the "warm" tub. That's it. So, if you're going to want some time to relax, undisturbed, to gather yourself and recharge, World is the much better option of the two.
Thanks for the suggestions.
BasketCase- I read your highly detailed contributions. Do you walk around the club with a pad and pen? JK. Fantastic information.
If I go to World on my first day (for the facilities) and back again on Saturday for the Faschings party, with this strategy I will only get to Oase on Sunday.
Based on my readings, it appears that Oase is the best option for Sunday. However, by going to Oase on Sunday only, I would still be missing the depth of the lineup. Thus, Oase should probably be the club I go to twice (as I have 4 days).
So, I have to list my objectives and priorities.
I want the best lineups.
I want to hit all 3 clubs.
I want to go to Oase twice with one of the days being a Sunday.
I do not want the TagDessous scene on my first day at Oase.
Not sure about the World Faschings party, but it is probably great fun.
The concept of R&R on my first day is now my last priority.
So with all that in mind, I may have the following schedule:
Day 1 Thursday, Palace
Day 2 Friday Oase
Day 3 Saturday World (Faschings Party)
Day 4 Sunday Oase
So I subject myself to the sharks at Palace on my first FKK day. Not that worried or concerned about the sharks.
If anybody is around on those days, please let me know.
RW
Basketcase
01-22-10, 22:09
Day 1 Thursday, Palace
Day 2 Friday Oase
Day 3 Saturday World (Faschings Party)
Day 4 Sunday Oase
Rwaters,
When I did my debut trip to visit the FKKs I had allocated myself 5 days from Thursday to Monday as there was time.
Silly fool that first trip was since I had not done much travelling was that I forgot my passport and missed my flight since I was not allowed to board without appropriate identification. I was told I can leave homeland and come back to homeland alright without my passport but I may not be let into Germany. I had to go home to get my passport and then had to go to another airport than the one that I was originally meant to fly out of. I also had to pay a re-booking fee to get on another flight to Frankfurt. Newbie error.
I still do at times go to the airport without my passport and have to book another flight or just forget it. So I do not get over to Germany as much as I could.
Advice: do not forget your passport or Identification card.
Your first four days of Palace for Thursday, Oase for Friday, World for Saturday and then Oase for Sunday was exactly my first four days of my five day visit. I had done a fair amount of research and was given a lot of good advice from the supportive group on another forum and also from this forum. So all I can say was what you are doing as a newbie was what I did as a newbie.
Palace is alright. I did okay. It was a Thursday. I think I ended up doing like 5-6 sessions or something silly like that at Palace. I recall I was coming in girls' mouths like the world was going to end tomorrow. It was my first FKK and I just went mad with a building full of naked women wanting to have sex with me.
When I went to Oase on Friday. I was like: I have found Paradise! A club full of all the girls with the looks that I liked and they did all the sex acts that I liked.
On Saturday at World I think my fortune had run out. I did not want to do a single girl in that club. I forced myself to go with one dark haired German girl just so I could say I did one. In the end I left around 10pm and went to Oase.
Sunday I think I went to Oase and enjoyed myself immensely again.
Monday I did Palace as I was flying home that evening. It was okay.
It was also during my debut trip that I meet my first ISG senior members by accident since they were speaking English and not German. It was also this premier trip when a girl warned me about "the mongers" that frequent the club pointing some of them out to me and yes they were "mongers". LOL.
There you go. Your turn to see what you get up on your first visit to FKKs.
Do you happen to know if Mausi herself is available ???
She only works as a manager. Plenty of legends about her past though, including her working somewhere on the other side of the counter.
She only works as a manager.
Schade!
Plenty of legends about her past though, including her working somewhere on the other side of the counter.
She certainly has "that look"...
Basketcase
01-24-10, 17:05
... If you happen to be there on the same days, need a ride ... enjoy a chick together, let me know and we can enjoy a little camaraderie.
I am not sure I understand this comment. Are you looking for another male to do a threesome with a girl so that you can "enjoy a chick together"?
Where I come from this is called a "spit roast" or a "roasting" with the men on either end of the woman acting as the spit supports and the woman is the spit in the middle being the "roast".
Feb 8 (Mon): Oase 10:00 to 19:00 (arrive FRA 06:00, leave FRA 21:30)
Feb 17 (Wed): PC-Dortmund 12:00 to 15:00, maybe longer (arrive DUS 10:30)
Probably/possible: Babylon (most likely), LR (maybe), GT (unlikely), or PT-Bochum (unlikely) until closing; overnight in Koln
Feb 18 (Thurs): Samya 11:00 to 17:00; Bernds 18:00 to closing (overnight at Hotel Reuter)
Feb 19 (Fri): Bernds 13:00 to ???; Possible Samya, Babylon, or World until closing (depends on outcome of prior visitis to Samya, Babylon, and Oase); overnight Hotel Reuter, unless I finish Fri night at World)
Feb 20 (Sat): Oase until 05:00 closing; probable visit to World 11:00 to 18:00, depending on how much I enjoyed Oase on Feb 8.
Feb 21 (sun): Return car to FRA and leave 12:30
This is just my opinion and I do not know what type of women that you like. I tend to go for the early twenties girls, blond, brunette or dark haired with slim to average build porn star bodies with pretty faces. Think Private label porn model type and you are on the right track. I know some guys like the frsh faced, girl next door look and some like MILFs and some like girls with big arses for grey hound position sex.
If I was doing your trip with what I know now. This is my comment:
8 Feb Oase - fine, best club on a Monday. No Messe.
17 Feb - double club visits in a day is possible. if I was in the area I would choose Living Room or Golden Time. As it is a Wednesday so expect decent line ups.
18 Feb. If I was driving down from NRW to Hesse then a stop at Samya mid way is recommended. I would do Bernds in the day time and Samya at night time since most Samya girls start at 3pm onwards with night shift around 6pm. Bernds starts earlier around 1pm(?). Anyway with my girl type preference you would never find me in Bernds but more likely Samya for its tendency for big natural breasted women on slim frames.
19 Feb, I would go to Oase - it is not the weekend but you get a line up with depth and since the ambiente Messe is over you will not have the crowds. Slight concern that it is also Carnival finishing up on Ash Wednesday on 17 Feb so hopefully the girls are all back. I know some of my Oase faves will be not be around this day. A pity.
20 Feb, I would do World for the craic and stay to the bitter end. I have done the early next morning FRA airport departure from World and from Oase. There is not much in it between the two - maybe an extra 30 minutes from World (74 Km from FRA airport) compared to Oase (33 Km from FRA airport with drive time of around 15-18 minutes).
I am not sure I understand this comment. Are you looking for another male to do a threesome with a girl so that you can "enjoy a chick together"?
Where I come from this is called a "spit roast" or a "roasting" with the men on either end of the woman acting as the spit supports and the woman is the spit in the middle being the "roast".
Well, I mean this in the general sense. Perhaps another guy and I could take the same girl to a zimmer at different times (or two different girls to the same zimmer) and enjoy her (their) company at other times. I see a roast or sandwich as an unusual thing in an FKK setting, although I might do something like that if the opportunity presented itself. Its not my primary focus or on a TDL for the trip, however. I won't mind performing in the kino or elsewhere.
This is just my opinion and I do not know what type of women that you like. I tend to go for the early twenties girls, blond, brunette or dark haired with slim to average build porn star bodies with pretty faces. Think Private label porn model type and you are on the right track. I know some guys like the frsh faced, girl next door look and some like MILFs and some like girls with big arses for grey hound position sex.
Your preference and mine are not very different, but I also don't mind sacrificing a little on quality for good GFE like service, hence Bernds. I also prefer a little more relaxed sessions over the hurry up, processed kind. I tend to go for the taller, lithe girls, shaved muschi, possibly with a tattoo or piercing, long blonde hair, size A-C tits, who are reponsive in bed, loves to dfk and DT, and enjoys DATY.
I think given the reports, I would prefer to spend two days at Oase, hence finishing up my trip there. I have two days at Bernds, with a possible Friday night at either Samya or World.
I know I am not going to make all the potential venues on my list - they are there for contigencies so if something doesn't work out to my liking, I have a pretty good idea of an alternative. Someone highly recommended World to me, which I was not at first considering and his recommendation put World on my list as a potential, probably stop.
Maybe given your recommendation, I mght do Bernds on Thursday and Friday afternoon, followed by Samya or Babylon on Thursday, and Samya or World on Friday. If I end up at World on Friday night, I would probably stay until closing and finish up at Oase on Saturday to Sunday morning.
Of course on the way home, I'll be wondering why the stewardesses are not naked and waking me up to go to a zimmer, lol.
Basketcase
01-24-10, 17:49
Your preference and mine are not very different, but I also don't mind sacrificing a little on quality for good GFE like service, hence Bernds. I also prefer a little more relaxed sessions over the hurry up, processed kind. I tend to go for the taller, lithe girls, shaved muschi, possibly with a tattoo or piercing, long blonde hair, size A-C tits, who are reponsive in bed, loves to dfk and DT, and enjoys DATY.
Good you are not fussy with your women. That is good then you will be okay with Bernds and some of the smaller clubs on your list. You may even be into the Partytreffs that you have listed. I have been to one Partytreff and that was enough. There were even Dutch porno stars in attendance and I still could not come. I left untapped after 14 hours at that partytreff so it was not about time, it was to do with the visuals.
I think given the reports, I would prefer to spend two days at Oase, hence finishing up my trip there. I have two days at Bernds, with a possible Friday night at either Samya or World.
Under my revised program you do get two visits to Oase - one on an off Monday for the slow getting into FKK mode and expect the girls to take their time more since they have time to devote to you as there are not hundreds of guys pulling at them. Then you get a Friday on 19 Feb to see Oase at its height with extensive line up.
I know I am not going to make all the potential venues on my list - they are there for contigencies so if something doesn't work out to my liking, I have a pretty good idea of an alternative. Someone highly recommended World to me, which I was not at first considering and his recommendation put World on my list as a potential, probably stop.
Good, you realise that you may be a bit ambitious trying to do two clubs a day. I know it is doable but I like to relax and not spend all my time travelling. There was a guy recently who wrote a string of reports and ended up spending more money on transportation like taxis, etc.. than on the girls.
World for me really kicks off on a Friday or Saturday with more so Saturday. It is more the World craic that I like than the actual line up. Its the DJ, it is the cocktails, it is the space to hide away and do dark deeds in dark corners and the girls tend to be much younger generally and therefore up for a party. For me Oase has the line up depth.
Maybe given your recommendation, I mght do Bernds on Thursday and Friday afternoon, followed by Samya or Babylon on Thursday, and Samya or World on Friday. If I end up at World on Friday night, I would probably stay until closing and finish up at Oase on Saturday to Sunday morning.
I am not sure you will like Babylon if you have my preference in women. Babylon has good facilties for the size of the club (think suburban house like Bernds). Samya would be my recommendation. There are FFM guys that come up to Cologne specifically for Samya. It is a nice party place and the girls take their time with you.
Doing World all nighter Friday to 05:00 closing on Saturday then resting for less than 5 hours and going to Oase for opening at 10:00 Saturday morning and staying to 05:00 closing on Sunday morning then going straight to the airport is something that I would do and some senior guys that I know. That would be my program if I knew that this visit would be the last one for a while. You want to milk the time as much as you can and enjoy it for as long as possible if you are anything like me.
Good you are not fussy with your women. That is good then you will be okay with Bernds and some of the smaller clubs on your list. You may even be into the Partytreffs that you have listed. I have been to one Partytreff and that was enough. There were even Dutch porno stars in attendance and I still could not come. I left untapped after 14 hours at that partytreff so it was not about time, it was to do with the visuals.
I don't think I could do a PT, like Mettmann, for example. I can see some girls like that here at home, in a party setting, for no more than a $30-40 contribution toward expenses. But PC-Dortmund seems to have the quality of girls that I can get off with, such as Denise, Nina, and Chantal. So although the pictures are not up on the Bernds site, I would probably be happy there especially with the friendly, public service.
I am not sure you will like Babylon if you have my preference in women. Babylon has good facilties for the size of the club (think suburban house like Bernds). Samya would be my recommendation. There are FFM guys that come up to Cologne specifically for Samya. It is a nice party place and the girls take their time with you.
Unlike other clubs, Babylon posts pictures of many of their girls and there are a few that are very attractive to me, including Michelle, Christina, and Mahe (ex-Bernds). I realize that their attendence is hit or miss, but I think it worth a bit of my time and euros, but not to the exclusion of Samya, which another board member (and long time compatriot) also recommended to me.
If upon seeing and observing a girl that you think you would like, how do you disengage from her if after some time at interview that you find she does not offer the GFE like experience that you expect? How do you do this without other girls assuming that you are just a time waster, and begin ignoring you or failing to come on to you in an intimate way?
Upon arriving at a club, I may take my time and be choosy for awhile, enjoying the atmosphere, unless a girl I begin chatting me is on my TDL based on reports here and elsewhere. How do you do this without seeming unapproachable, thereby possibly being ignored later?
How do you carry currency in $ or Euro, when you are visiting a club? Is it safe to store money in the safety lockers offered by the club, that you are reserving for another club later that day or next, or do you stash it in a hiding place in the car? Having currency go missing during a trip could be quite a bummer.
Basketcase
01-24-10, 18:15
How do you carry currency in $ or Euro, when you are visiting a club? Is it safe to store money in the safety lockers offered by the club, that you are reserving for another club later that day or next, or do you stash it in a hiding place in the car? Having currency go missing during a trip could be quite a bummer.
When in European countries that have the euro then I carry euro. The girls accept euros in payment and entrance fees are payable in euro too as far as I know, albeit some clubs allow entrance fee to be paid by credit card to save you using up cash notes.
I store my cash in my hat like Norjan does...
Nah, I just keep it in my wallet and put it in the valuables safety deposit locker.
I get cash out as and when I need it from cash machines. My bank does not charge the horrendous 2.5% commission nor the 1% FX charge so I get close to the market rate for euro. Much better than bureau de change and safer as I do not have to carry wads of cash.
I would not leave any cash or my valuables in the car lest it induce someone to break into it.
Yes, losing currency on a trip is a bummer.
Angus Magee
01-24-10, 18:22
If upon seeing and observing a girl that you think you would like, how do you disengage from her if after some time at interview that you find she does not offer the GFE like experience that you expect? How do you do this without other girls assuming that you are just a time waster, and begin ignoring you or failing to come on to you in an intimate way?
Upon arriving at a club, I may take my time and be choosy for awhile, enjoying the atmosphere, unless a girl I begin chatting me is on my TDL based on reports here and elsewhere. How do you do this without seeming unapproachable, thereby possibly being ignored later?
Basically by not worrying too much about it. There is generally no "nice" way to do it. You just have to be firm and say, as soon as you determine you are not interested, no thanks, maybe later. Though I try to say the maybe later bit only if there really is a chance of maybe later. If I am just not interested I just say no.
Now the girls hear this a lot and react in different ways. But generally nothing bad happens and I have never really thought about being ignored later for this. I guess it could happen but it is not likely-IMO. You are still a guy with a locker full of cash hopefully.
But I also have to say that it is good to, well, not be a time waster. That is without being to rigid about it, try to respect that the girls are there to work. It is fine (and in fact many girls like this) to flirt and play a bit, but there is a line at which you have to go for it with a girl-shit or get off the pot to put it crudely. But there is no rule, just your own sense of decency to guide you. This is what I personally like about FKK interactions. It ads a very human element to P4P.
For me what it much more difficult is, as a regular customer who returns week after week, the girls you have been with a few times but in whom you lose some interest. Keeping that on an even keel can be a challenge. And indeed there are a few girls at Artemis in this category who ignore me completely now. But that is their choice, not mine, and there is not much I can do about it. Other girls stay friendly and connect with me whenever I go just to check if I am interested that particular evening.
AM
Realizing that a session is about my pleasure, sometimes I find it worthwhile to enhance stimulation with a girl. After there are few things better than having a girl get off and really wild, fucking your cock with wild abandon while you look down at her.
Have you taken one or more of those little bullet vibes into the zimmer with you to provide some added stimulation to her clit? How do you keep it (0r other items) with you when you are wearing nothing more than a towel?
And while I am at it, how do you keep the towel around your waist while in the public areas? I am pretty athletic and have no belly, but I often find it difficult to keep a towel around my waist.
Angus Magee
01-24-10, 19:15
Realizing that a session is about my pleasure, sometimes I find it worthwhile to enhance stimulation with a girl. After there are few things better than having a girl get off and really wild, fucking your cock with wild abandon while you look down at her.
Have you taken one or more of those little bullet vibes into the zimmer with you to provide some added stimulation to her clit? How do you keep it (0r other items) with you when you are wearing nothing more than a towel?
And while I am at it, how do you keep the towel around your waist while in the public areas? I am pretty athletic and have no belly, but I often find it difficult to keep a towel around my waist.
The vibrator could be a bit touchy. I guess I have heard some discussion on here about vibrators but for many girls there would be a health issue with vibrators. Even if it is just a perception, having a vibrator that who knows who has used before will be a big "no" for many girls I think. And I can not say that I would blame them. I guess you could bring along some of Norjan's (see Artemis thread) antiseptic gel, but I can imagine it still being an issue for many. I guess also a condom on the vibe might make it acceptable to some girls.
But don't worry too much about getting the girl off. IME (with women in general) is that one of the biggest obstacles to getting a woman off is the guy worrying about her getting off. This in itself seems to stop the whole process. I always try to do my best and if it happens, it happens.
But say you bring the vibe anyway, many (most?) clubs now have robes with pockets available. If it is a small bullet vibe-in the pocket. If just towels are available then I guess you would need a small leather bag or something. I myself have an FKK kit I cary in my backpack and leave in the locker. I carry in it condoms,a tooth brush, toothpaste, some floss, a bit of gel (lube). a couple of rubber gloves (for playing doctor;-)) and some aspirin. Most of this stuff (the sex stuff)the girls have but I also like to know that I have it available to me. But as I say I do not carry it around just have it in my locker.
As for keeping the towel on-just wrap it and cinch it. If it falls off no one cares, just put it on again. It is an FKK after all and if you walked around butt naked what is anyone really going to say? Except maybe in the dining room-that's a bit weird.
AM
And while I am at it, how do you keep the towel around your waist while in the public areas? I am pretty athletic and have no belly, but I often find it difficult to keep a towel around my waist.
That was the source of one of my best moments at Oase:
I was walking from the Kino enroute to a zimmer with a drink
in one hand and my arm around Michelle when suddenly my towel
dropped, (yes I have a belly). My North American upbringing was
mortified, but there was just a giggle from the gazelles lining the
wall as they gazed on my semi-rigid member bouncing in time to
Michelle's breasts. Ahhh, the memories we hold dear.
Realizing that a session is about my pleasure, sometimes I find it worthwhile to enhance stimulation with a girl. After there are few things better than having a girl get off and really wild, fucking your cock with wild abandon while you look down at her.
Have you taken one or more of those little bullet vibes into the zimmer with you to provide some added stimulation to her clit? How do you keep it (0r other items) with you when you are wearing nothing more than a towel?
And while I am at it, how do you keep the towel around your waist while in the public areas? I am pretty athletic and have no belly, but I often find it difficult to keep a towel around my waist.In too many years I've never been interested in bringing in toys to a club. As far as I am concerned their only toy is attached to me and they are welcome to enjoy it if they wish. That said, some girls have toys which they stow in their bags and may bring out if you express an interest. I sometimes get them to show me what they have in their bags, just out of curiosity. You'd be surprised.... :-) So, by all means try with the toys. Perhaps leave them in the locker and bring it up in conversation. If they are game, you can run and fetch them before the session.
Toys or not, there is in my experience a better than average chance at an FKK, if you are reasonably good at what you are doing and show consideration for what she needs, that you will get a girl really going during an FKK session, without it being faked. However, you have to accept that some girls wish to remain detached, do not want to tire themselves during a long day, or whatever, and this will not happen. This does not mean that they will not want to offer good service and be attentive to your needs or wishes. And there are others who are more cynical, and you have simply made an error. Move on.
Most ISG members use an erection to keep their towels up.
...
But I also have to say that it is good to, well, not be a time waster. That is without being to rigid about it, try to respect that the girls are there to work. It is fine (and in fact many girls like this) to flirt and play a bit, but there is a line at which you have to go for it with a girl-shit or get off the pot to put it crudely. But there is no rule, just your own sense of decency to guide you. This is what I personally like about FKK interactions. It ads a very human element to P4P.
AM
They are "working", but just like at your work, there is nothing wrong with having a little fun. Even a cat plays with it's food sometimes;) That's how you learn what the lady is like. Is she playful or serious? Sharks don't like to waste time. But when things become intimate...too much DFK, petting is not good unless you think you might be serious. Once her lips touch your member...then you're on the hook, in my book. That's why some of them try to get there as fast as possible.
Being a gentleman while having fun, remembering where you are and respecting the lady always works for me and the boundaries just sort of look after themselves.
Can't wait to put this theory back into practise...Myr.
Most ISG members use an erection to keep their towels up.
Ah - I wish I were of that age again when that was the only thing needed to keep a towel up, probably a couple. And I could shoot a target from 3 meters away. But those days are long gone, I am afraid.
Angus Magee
01-24-10, 23:14
Ah - I wish I were of that age again when that was the only thing needed to keep a towel up, probably a couple. And I could shoot a target from 3 meters away. But those days are long gone, I am afraid.
Hey. never say never my good man. You'd be surprised what the right combo of FKK experiences can conjure up in that department-with out the help of performance enhancers either. You just have to roll with the motion of the night and see what happens.
I suggest that you read my Oase tour report from this past October. Specifically Janey, my fifth girl in a long night of girls that even included a spectacular hydraulic failure in the company of über sexy Swiss Michelle.
Before visiting an FKK for the first time a bit more than a year ago I never imagined that I could manage two girls in a night, let alone 3-4.
I suggest that you read my Oase tour report from this past October. Specifically Janey, my fifth girl in a long night of girls that even included a spectacular hydraulic failure in the company of über sexy Swiss Michelle.
I've read it and some others like it. In fact, Swiss Michelle is on my TDL if I happen to find her, or she finds me. There are certain girls that will get a ticket to the zimmer based on reports alone, but I will still try to enjoy a nice warmup and her 'sales' pitch. Some might also qualify for a pre-flight upgrade.
On my first day, at Oase, I am going to arrive at 10 am, but hold off going to a zimmer until about 1 pm, to give myself time to acclimate and take in the surroundings, perhaps with some initial introductions to find out my options. That is unless a girl on my TDL presents herself early - I won't let her go and miss out later. So at best, I'll be able to fit in three sessions on the first day.
As far as performance goes, I am much better doing one girl for a long time, rather than several girls in succession. So I don't know whether the old frame will be up to the monumental task. The other factor will be jet lag, because actually the first day is meant for acclimating to the new time after a red-eye flight, before arriving at my ultimate destination for a good night sleep before work the following day.
What clubs take credit cards for entrance fee's...and is there a percentage markup for using your credit card? Is it worth paying a couple of bucks more via credit card so as to save your cold hard cash for the girls?
Basketcase
01-26-10, 00:14
Just booked a flight to FRA arriving this friday in Frankfurt. Plan on Goldentime, Oase, maybe World. Anyone in town,,let me know. May rent a car,,not 100% sure yet.
Its going to be chilly,,,but warm inside.
Hi Carnal1,
Nice one doing a trip from 29 Jan to 8 Feb 2010. That is 11 days of FKK and sauna club. You are going to have the stamina of Rocco to keep that up for that long. LOL.
There is a Messe in Frankfurt that weekend from 30 January. How are you doing with the accommodation that weekend? I suppose one solution is to take your hire car and get out of Dodge straight away by heading up to NRW taking in some clubs like Samya, Finca or Bernds on the way. Going to NRW avoids the high hotel costs in Frankfurt.
If you can, do look in on World as well as Oase. I find that World has the best party on a Saturday night and sometimes you do not even have to go to the room (and some patrons don't since they are there for the party!!)
Vito Corleone
01-26-10, 01:18
What clubs take credit cards for entrance fee's...and is there a percentage markup for using your credit card? Is it worth paying a couple of bucks more via credit card so as to save your cold hard cash for the girls?
I know World & Oase accept cards with a 5% charge or something close. Since there is no ATM @ Oase, you can use your card to get cash from the reception. According to the Palace site, they accept all major cards now.
Basketcase
01-26-10, 01:52
I will be in country from 2/2 - 2/12. The three days in Amsterdam will be from 2/4 - 2/7.
Norcal224,
These are just my thoughts on your tour of Germany and Netherlands and is a reflection of my tastes so please forgive me if you prefer smaller clubs which you did indicate. I like decent line ups. I find it difficult to find what I like in small clubs. In my experience I have left many a small club not having been to the room with anyone. 2009 examples were Babylon and Acapulco in the state of NRW.
Tue, 2 Feb Munich, go to FKK Hawaii in Ingolstadt as you mentioned. I would go since it is a new club and I have not been before. Take one for the team and write a report for ISG.
Wed, 3 Feb, Mainz, go to Oase (half hour drive) or World (1 hour drive)
Thu, 4 Feb, Amsterdam - tour red light district and visit window girl since you are a tourist
Fri, 5 Feb, Amsterdam, Park 118 private in call and maybe another tour of red light district.
Sat, 6 Feb, Amsterdam, if you have the time you can drive or train to Den Haag for Gelenstraat red light district or if wanting something different go to Utretch for the Zanpad red light district where the girls are on canal boats docked in a canal. If not, chill out in Amsterdam, visit a window girl again.
Sun, 7 Feb, Amsterdam, if driving to Mainz, stop at Golden Time in Bruggen on the way.
Mon, 8 Feb, Mainz, try Oase if you did World on 3 Feb or try World if you did Oase on 3 Feb.
Tue, 9 Feb, Stuttgart, go to FKK Paradise, the bigger one, not the small brothel Paradise in that area.
Wed, 10 Feb, Munich, go to Colosseum in Augsburg as alternative to Hawaii.
Thu, 11 Feb, Munich (?) a private in call booking in Munich so you can chill out and see the city or if you liked either Hawaii or Colosseum, you make your way back to either club.
Fri, 12 Feb Fly home
There you go. I think for me that would be a nice tour of a few of the well known clubs to get an even spread of what is available. Let us hope for fond memories.
Cheers,
Basketcase
01-26-10, 02:06
I know World & Oase accept cards with a 5% charge or something close. Since there is no ATM @ Oase, you can use your card to get cash from the reception.
Not sure if Palace accepts cards now with their new business friendly options.
HB, does Palace accept cards for entry or do they point to the ATM?
Oase charges a 10% surcharge for taking out cash on your credit card if your card is in euro. There may be an additional 2% to 2.5% commission for euro foreign exchange conversion too, so check with your credit card provider. I have found cards where the provider does not charge foreign exchange comission which at 2.5% for where I come from plus 1% foreign exchange transaction fees can really add up.
I am not sure if there is the same charge for cash debit cards. Presume that it is so and be delightfully surprised if your current account is not whalloped for 10% surcharge.
FKK Paradise in Stuttgart allows you to pay the entrance fee with your credit card. It is treated like a purchase so no surcharge or fees per Creature2's report where he did this.
I would like to know if it is possible to bring girl to FKK clubs?
All, none or just some and then which you know of?
I would like to know if it is possible to bring girl to FKK clubs?
All, none or just some and then which you know of?
I was at World last year and saw this cutie with a young guy...she was in a bikini by the pool and didn't go nude. The manager came out and told her to undress...she took off her top but not the bottoms. So not sure what the dress rule would be for the girl you might bring into a club...but im going to bet she'd have to be topless for sure.
I would like to know if it is possible to bring girl to FKK clubs?
All, none or just some and then which you know of?
I believe that most FKK management will be sympathetic towards you. I have seen GFs and wives (ie less attractive MILFS) at a number of major FKKs.
You need to consider in what capacity she is there. This will be an issue for the management in most places, though some will always treat her as a provider.
Is she there like the guys to enjoy the attentions of the girls at the club, as a punter, together with you?
Or is she seeking to have sessions with the guys, either free or chargeable?
I have seen both scenarios. To have threesomes with the girls is straightforward, and many girls will enjoy this. I also recall a not very attractive MILF wife at Oase one Sunday that lounged around in the sauna, and attracted quite a few young studs. She must of thought it was Christmas! If this was her fantasy it may work well, but be careful that her feelings are not hurt by rejection.
Another option you should consider is swinger clubs like Beverly in Solingen, where there will be a lot of couples and guys looking to have fun with you both.
If you have a girlfriend interested to share your hobby with you, you are very lucky, I envy you.
Have fun.
PL
....Or is she seeking to have sessions with the guys, either free or chargeable?
I have seen both scenarios. I do not know of any club that allows a lady guest that is not a "worker" there to have sex with other men than the one she arrived with. Please tell.
In general, non working ladies visitors are rare, but I have seen it several times in the past 8-9 years, but again, it is unusual.
I do not know of any club that allows a lady guest that is not a "worker" there to have sex with other men than the one she arrived with. Please tell.
Hi Henio,
What you say makes complete sense, so let me reconsider a moment.
Firstly I have, somewhat belatedly, come the conclusion that time of day and of week makes an enormous difference to the experiences within a club, and the relative merits between clubs. Those whose general habit is to arrive at 23:00 for a few hours with a club in full swing have a very different set of experiences to someone who might see the same club on a cold wet Wedesday afternoon, or yet again a warm sunny Sunday afternoon.
I frequently enjoy extended visits during the daytime. I, and perhaps all of us, should take more care to state explicitly the times of particular experiences, and to avoid making false inductions about an experience that might vary on a different occasion. Nowhere is this more evident than the arguments over the relative merits between GT (excellent during the day, too crowded at night) and the alternatives PHG, LR, VV, YY, Acapulco (frequently too quiet during the day but better ratios at night)
So, I must clarify that I don't think I have ever seen couples during peak busy times, only at daytimes but mostly at weekends. I may have wrongly induced how frequently this occurs, and may have misadvised Chesaning if he was expecting to take his GF to Oase on a Friday night!
The more interesting specific point is about "non-workers" having sessions with men. I agree, it doesn't make sense for the clubs to allow this, and it is pretty much inconceivable to imagine at a heavily managed club like GT.
I can only recall one(?) occasion of this, that which I mentioned at Oase. It made a strong impression upon me, and I have always cherished the memory as a charming example of what is right about FKK land. Maybe that dream is about to fade.
It was a pleasant winters Sunday afternoon at Oase. I had enjoyed a couple of nice relaxed sessions, and went outside to the sauna areas to relax and recover a while. In the large sauna (on the left as you come out) there was one older woman, surrounded by a gaggle of guys. I went in, and it became clear that one of the guys was her partner. The other guys were hovering around like guys do at a swingerclub, hoping for some action. The woman was pleasant, but a little old, and a little fleshy, just like the majority of women in the real world or in a swinger club.
I stayed for a while out of interest. I do not speak enough German to have joined in the conversation. Eventually, I left the sauna area without detailed discussion, and I did not session with the woman. At other times, intermittently, over the afternoon she remained in the quieter areas, gently flirting with a varying group of guys.
Since I did not session with her, or explicitly ask her what she was doing, I can only make assumptions which may prove to be wrong.
That said, I still find it hard to draw a different conclusion. One does see older providers sometimes at the big clubs. There is the red-haired Englishwoman at World (that I always assume is Cordelia), and she weaves her magic in a particular way with her favourites: but one would never doubt that she was a provider. With due respect, I would not expect her to attract a circle of horny admirers as the lady in Oase did. The dynamic was different. I don't know why we (men) would treat a non-pro differently, but that was how it felt. It is also unusual for a provider to "hold court" in an out of the way area, without prowling the public spaces.
Anyway those are the facts. There may be other explanations, but I can't think of any. I just smiled to myself, and enjoyed the image of relaxed, tolerant sexuality that I perceived.
Short question, long answer.
Have fun.
PL
I posted a response to this exact question a couple of years back, but because I'm too lazy to look for it, I'll just recompose the same answer.
I have asked management and SP at a number of the clubs and invariably received an almost identical version of the following:
* Women customers are welcome at FKK clubs.
* It's a rare ocurrence but happens.
* Women customers pay the same entrance fee as their male counterparts.
* They must follow the same dress code as the women SP in that club.
* They use the same locker room, toilets and shower facilities as the other customers, not those of the female staff
* They can session with SP who are willing to go with a woman customer, with or without their male partner.
* They can talk, flirt, eat, sweat in the sauna, relax in the jacuzzi and dance with male customers, but they cannot session with any male customers other than with the male that they entered the club.
Our friend Cordelia, who was mentioned in Plover's post, actually started her FKK career this way accompanying her husband on one of his frequent visits to World. If Cordelia responded we would receive an insider angle on this issue. BTW Plover, you are missing out on one incredible woman, if you've never sessioned with her.
I happen to know of another SP in another club (sorry I can't divulge her name) who also began her FKK career in a similar fashion. Except that in her case, she ended staying on the FKK circuit and her male partner, stopped visiting clubs.So you may want to think twice about bringing your GF with you. Could unleash a genie that won't get back in the bottle....
Angus Magee
02-03-10, 18:15
Hello Gents,
I’ve been sitting on this one for a week or so but finally I get around to letting you all in on a pretty major change in my day to day existence. To put it bluntly a week and a half back I lost the job that I have had here in Berlin for the past two and a half years. To be truthful I have seen it coming since about last October when I returned from my my October tour. Well, seen it coming might be a bit strong. Had I really seen it coming maybe I would have planned it all out a bit better. More accurate would be to say that I was sort of living in denial that I could keep on doing the job and that it would last a while longer.
I was unhappy in this job for a long time. I liked the work (cooking) and the pay was reasonable (it allowed me to monger pretty freely) but the personal relationship I had with the owner was always stormy. Those who have met me will know that I am a pretty agreeable person-not that difficult to get along with. But I do have my limits and my former employer really knew how to push the buttons.
So without going into the sordid details (and I do take responsibility for my own shit in all this) we finally reached a point where one of us had to go. And it is his place, so….
I have to say that mostly I feel great about it. A weight has been lifted from me and I feel that I can now pursue more that which I am interested in rather than constantly giving up my energy in stress & strife. But for now, the money has dried up completely. I have a bit saved to see me through the next weeks, and my personal network of support is strong so I am not in danger of losing my place, but those 300 Euro nights at Artemis have to stop for now.
And so my hiatus from mongering. A pause to see what else is possible at the grand old age of 51 years. Please do not get me wrong here. I have no exact plan to stop mongering. It has, after all, been with me now for most (off & on) of my adult life. And to be truthful, I think I was even trading candy for favors while still in short pants. But for at least the short term future there will be no more Artemis reports from this old dog.
Schade!
I do though have some plans. My writing is something I really feel to concentrate upon. I have been in contact with a new English language magazine (it has not started to publish yet) here in Berlin and have the editor interested in a piece based on my October report. Not sure if there will be any money there(doubtful actually), but exposure & experience do count for something.
And I do not rule out cooking some more. As I say, I do enjoy cooking but not with the same enthusiasm that I like to write. If I am to cook I want it to be in an environment, and with people, I enjoy. I have been in contact with a place I think I would enjoy, and I have had an interesting nibble from this place. But it is still in very early days and after sending them my appropriate info, I await to hear more.
So gentlemen please, press your thumbs (that is like cross your fingers for the N. Americans) that I will land a high paying, low stress, heaps of fun job offer in the very near future. Or that I will sell the movie rights to the October tour report post haste and be back in clover and ready to monger.
I am open to all suggestions and encouragement and I will most certainly still hang around here offering more general advice & comments.
As always, thanks for reading.
Am
Hello Gents,
...
So gentlemen please, press your thumbs (that is like cross your fingers for the N. Americans) that I will land a high paying, low stress, heaps of fun job offer in the very near future. Or that I will sell the movie rights to the October tour report post haste and be back in clover and ready to monger.
I am open to all suggestions and encouragement and I will most certainly still hang around here offering more general advice & comments.
As always, thanks for reading.
Am
Angus, let me be the first to say, although we have not met, I have enjoyed your reports and advice. I have only been in Germany 1x but I enjoyed that experience and you have given me tips and hope for my next expedition. Of course you can count on my having my thumbs pressed & my fingers crossed. There are many persons on this board whom I have not met but feel I owe a debt of gratitude to: you are one of the top of my list. Good luck with your search.
If you are able to come and visit in April, so much the better. If not, I understand that life has it's priorities.
And continue to stay in touch...I know I will.
(Not to be facetious but give Oase a call, they could really use a person with culinary skills)
In the end You must do what You must.
Good Luck & Take Care.
Myr.
So gentlemen please, press your thumbs (that is like cross your fingers for the N. Americans) that I will land a high paying, low stress, heaps of fun job offer in the very near future. Or that I will sell the movie rights to the October tour report post haste and be back in clover and ready to monger.
I am open to all suggestions and encouragement and I will most certainly still hang around here offering more general advice & comments.Angus,
Best of luck finding a new job. I hope you will be back at your regular haunt of Artemis as soon as possible. And even though we have not met your posts have been invaluable to my FKK experience over the last two years so thank you so much.
All the Best,
J Boom
Best of luck with the job hunting Angus. I always enjoy reading your reports and comments on this forum and hope that you will continue to participate while you are between work assignments and temporarily resting. You sound like an intelligent and thoughtful guy with a good sense of humour. Its hard to keep a good guy down and I find it hard to believe that you will be looking for work for very long. Best of luck buddy.
CD
To put it bluntly a week and a half back I lost the job that I have had here in Berlin for the past two and a half years. I too, have never met you, but in my interest to check out Artemis this year, I intently read a bunch of your reports
Quality for sure.
I wish you luck in your search, and hope that your downtime is minimal.
Best Regards
Smuler
John Moore
02-04-10, 07:56
Hello Gents,
I’ve been sitting on this one for a week or so but finallyEven though i haven't met most of you gentlemen on this board it feels as if i know you all and it saddens me when a brother has cash flow problems as it is quite crucial for us mongers, but as someone already said i'm certain you'll find a job soon. Have always loved your reports and please keep us updated on that article. Seems very interesting indeed. I'm sure you'll be back at Artemis soon spending your hard earned cash with a smile on your face.
John
(Not to be facetious but give Oase a call, they could really use a person with culinary skills)Funny remark! I've always mused that this was the reason the food was so bad so long. The cook was so frustrated stirring the gruel for hours on end in the hot kitchen, knowing so well what was going on a ladle's throw away in the rooms.
Angus,
You have been a charming and valuable member of this community.
It is at a moment like this that it feels as if in some ways this is a real community.
I am sure we all wish you the very best luck in obtaining fresh funding for your research.
All the best,
PL
Angus Magee
02-04-10, 10:33
Hey guys,
Thanks for all the messages. And let me assure you I am not going away from the forum (as far as I know) and will most certainly comment though perhaps more in a general way than with specific info.
And I will also add that I have been in much worse situations than the current one. I actually feel pretty refreshed and energized by the situation like there is something fun, new and well paid just over the horizon.
Shit-maybe I even find a girlfriend!! Better be careful what I wish for.
And on the other hand I could wish for this fellow's job.
http://anyguey.guanabee.com/2009/08/jaime-rascone-prostitute-tester
;-))
Guys I moved my post here, cause it was not in the right thread.
....You can get excellent rates for rental cars if you state German residency and a German address when booking your rental car via Avis or Hertz....
I apologize if it was already explained, but how to state German residence if I am not German ?
I mean, it is enough to write it in internet when you book or something else ?
Once there, when they give you the key of the car, they do not control if you are really German ?
More or less how much money are you gonna to save with this trick ?
Thanks guys
I marked the box as German resident on Sixt.com and I paid 100 euros instead of 200 Euros for a 4 day rental of a BMW Cooper--sweet ride!
I tried right now and it showed me the same price ?! :(
Any other rent car agency at good price from airport Frankfurt Hahn (HHN) ?
I rented a car from Sixt.com from Frankfurt Maim. Not hahn.
Just under the area where you choose the dates for the car, it states "Permanent Place of Residence" and has "USA" as default. Hit the "Change" to the Right of "USA" and change it to Germany.
..Hit the "Change" to the Right of "USA" and change it to Germany.
Hi and thanks for answer, I did and from Main, but it shows me VW Golf at 106 euro per day and VW Polo at 81E... a bit too expensive or not ?
Australiasucks
02-15-10, 20:22
I got to most clubs during my last trip using mostly public transportation. Only a few places are difficult to get to without a car. Google maps is a very useful tool to find clubs and now its on most smartphones. I rather spend the money for sex than for transport and other expenses.
Australiasucks
02-15-10, 20:27
Many of the NRW clubs seem easy to find with public transportation. Even some Frankurt clubs with the exception of Oase can be accessible by public means. If you do some legwork a transport ticket will save you money, the staff at the transport agencies are unbelievably helpful even to a Scheisse Auslander like myself.
It is strange why excellent club like Freude 39 (http://fkk-freudenberg.de/) doesn't have a separate topic, but I wanted to share my great experience. I was in Dortmund and according to my research this was the best option in the area. The club is in Bochum, about half an hour from Dortmund by public transportation. I took taxi from the Bochum hauptbahnhoff although probably it is possible to get there with some S-bahn or U-bahn. The club is very big, with all the amenities, and it provides great food. It is 50 euro to get in, and 50 euro for girl. I had Rosa from Poland (who was great) and long-legged Romanian girl whose name I unfortunately forgot and she was a blast.
Definitely highly recommended place.
It is strange why excellent club like Freude 39 (http://fkk-freudenberg.de/) doesn't have a separate topic.I'm going to surprise you. It does.
Basketcase
02-16-10, 21:28
Hi and thanks for answer, I did and from Main, but it shows me VW Golf at 106 euro per day and VW Polo at 81E... a bit too expensive or not ?
I use Avis basic and it is 23.31 euro one day from FRA for small economy car like VW Polo, Fiat Punto or Renault.
If I use Hertz FRA airport special then it is 23 euro one day for small economy car for maybe a Ford Fiesta or VW Polo or Opel corsa.
If I use Sixti it is around 23.30 euro for one day from FRA for Smart car.
Many of the NRW clubs seem easy to find with public transportation. Even some Frankurt clubs with the exception of Oase can be accessible by public means. Oase is very easy with public transport. Just take the S5 to Friedrichsdorf then cab it from there for 8-10 Euros. Or if you prefer, take the bus or the light rail on to Burgholzhausen and walk the remaining 1.5k.
Gfe Finder
02-16-10, 23:50
It is strange why excellent club like Freude 39 (http://fkk-freudenberg.de/) doesn't have a separate topic, but I wanted to share my great experience. I was in Dortmund and according to my research this was the best option in the area. The club is in Bochum, about half an hour from Dortmund by public transportation. I took taxi from the Bochum hauptbahnhoff although probably it is possible to get there with some S-bahn or U-bahn. The club is very big, with all the amenities, and it provides great food. It is 50 euro to get in, and 50 euro for girl. I had Rosa from Poland (who was great) and long-legged Romanian girl whose name I unfortunately forgot and she was a blast.
Definitely highly recommended place.
The thread should be right here, yes?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2608
Feel free to move or re-post your report there-- it looks like no one has commented in a while (~2 months.)
I use Avis basic and it is 23.31 euro one day from FRA for small economy car like VW Polo, Fiat Punto or Renault.
Indeed, I can confirm that I also rented a Renault Clio last Autumn from Avis Basic as recommended by many members in this forum and paid 23 euros for 1 day (and picked it up at terminal 1, do not have to go to terminal 2 like with Sixti Smart). Also booked a car from them again for my next stop-over in Frankfurt, at 22.80 euros for one day (see here (http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2217/avisbasic.jpg)).
It should be noted however that mileage is limited to 100km per day. Enough to go to Oase, but not to World. Extra mileage is about 0.10 to 0.15 euros per km.
Price also depends on how long in advance do you book. If you book now for this weekend, you probably won't get these prices. But if you book enough in advance, you can get decent prices (although I must admit I never achieve their claimed bottom price of 19 euros per day).
Just go to the Avis German website (avis.de) and choose Avis Basic.
Jim
....but like HB said,lot of competition between the girls,and for many of them,a "boring" day.money is hard to win by these times.
Guys I am curious, do you think the girls earn less money now than before ?
Did they change the attitude ?
I mean....last month I was in Rio, the world financial crisi made a great city for monger, become a place I will never visit again. ( to make long short, girls earn less money, less GFE, they are more in hurry and so on... ).
So far as the time is fixed in advance in FKK, so maybe the girls insist more on extra or, as I hope, they are willing to provide more GFE to be able to have repeteaded customer ?
And...so far as I like to interview the girl, to have a conversation usually helped me to build some chemistry to make the sex session more GFE, now the girls just want to know fast if you will take her to room or maybe they invest more time with man to be sure they will convince him ?
ASAP I will visit again one or more of the 3 of Hessen, so I am curious.
Thanks in advance guys.
P.S. I wrote here, as I think it is more a question of general info.
P.S.S. thanks very much for infos about renting car guys: I do not speak german, so avis for my country lists VW Polo for 3 days at Hahn at 52 euro per day, but sixti is focus for 64,90 euro for 3 days with 300km included...so even considering Hahn and the travel to Oase and World and stay at Linden hotel, I would say...perfect :D
Indeed, I can confirm that I also rented a Renault Clio last Autumn from Avis Basic as recommended by many members in this forum and paid 23 euros for 1 day (and picked it up at terminal 1, do not have to go to terminal 2 like with Sixti Smart).
Jim
I looked at a map of the frankfurt airport and it looks like there's seperate parking for terminal 1 and 2...is this correct? when returning a car to terminal 1, do you bypass the parking for terminal 2? Or are they all connected?
http://www.worldtravelguide.net/airport/323/airport_guide/Europe/Frankfurt-Airport.html
The Vulcan
02-20-10, 10:45
Hi fellow mongers.
It is not a surprise that I am now hooked onto the FKK scene and I'm sure you all agree it is one of the best places comparable to Heaven on Earth.
I intend to visit Munich soon due to work related visits and would like to humbly ask anyone who is familiar to the Munich FKK scene whether I should look for any particular clubs as I have never been there before.
As The Palace in Frankfurt and Artemis in Berlin are my favourites, I'd like to ask if there any comparable clubs in Munich as well.
I will get back with detailed reports on whichever club would be suggested to me by others with experience in Munich FKK clubs.
Thank you and enjoy life, as always.
Hessen Bub
02-20-10, 10:54
Guys I am curious, do you think the girls earn less money now than before ?
Before what? 8 years ago girls in average were making a lot more money than they do nowadays.
HB
Before what?...
I meant now in comparison of coupe of years ago.
Angus Magee
02-20-10, 12:22
I meant now in comparison of coupe of years ago.
I am not sure anyone here could really give anything other than an anecdotal response Lukasek. What data are to base our answer on? As I look around at the clubs (mostly from the vantage point of this forum and going to one club) it does appear that things are a little tighter all over. But to extrapolate from his and say the girls are making less seems foolish at best.
But it must effect the club income and the girl's income to some extent when belts are being tightened all around. But to say just how much you would have to start asking the girls and I can imagine how that would go over.
For me, the last thing I am thinking of when in a club is the world markets and what a shit they are in. If I have the cash to be in a club, that is all that matters. And I tend to look for girls who are not always thinking about how much they earn and what extras they can squeeze from the session, but also they want to have some fun. This attitude does me well and the girls I meet don't seem to mind. I'm a great believer in what you put out there, you get back 10 fold.
...For me, the last thing I am thinking of when in a club is the world markets and what a shit they are in...
Angus Magee,
believe the same for me, if I go to club, it means I want to have fun and I money to get this fun, but sometimes money is enough...
I did not want numbers, just the feeling of the members that often go to FKK.
I love FKK for the ratio money/services, I was only afraid that as changed Rio, maybe changed a bit even the attitude of girls in FKK, cause I know that most of girls are not wise at all: if they start to work less, they will try to convince you to pay for extra or to have short conversation and if you refuse to go to room, they will immediately hit another one.
We know, usually hookers are not so wise, I saw more often girl that in couple of minutes wants to know yes/no and then stay much time sitting alone without knowing that if she only invested 15 minutes in every customers, at the end of the day she could get much more cash, as.... more or less, if she is nice and friendly after some time, but long enough, you will end to take her, but for me, even a great girl will hardly convince me to go to room in 2 minutes....obviously Angus....all it is IMHO :)
I looked at a map of the frankfurt airport and it looks like there's seperate parking for terminal 1 and 2...is this correct? when returning a car to terminal 1, do you bypass the parking for terminal 2? Or are they all connected?
http://www.worldtravelguide.net/airport/323/airport_guide/Europe/Frankfurt-Airport.html
Yes, there are separate parking for terminal 1 and terminal 2. If you return the car to terminal 1 and your flight is at terminal 2 (or vice-versa), you need to catch the sky train on the top floor connecting the 2 terminals.
Jim
P.S.S. thanks very much for infos about renting car guys: I do not speak german, so avis for my country lists VW Polo for 3 days at Hahn at 52 euro per day, but sixti is focus for 64,90 euro for 3 days with 300km included...so even considering Hahn and the travel to Oase and World and stay at Linden hotel, I would say...perfect :D
I hope you know how far from Frankfurt (and from the clubs) is Hahn airport, and have checked how much Sixti will charge you for excess mileage because with 300km for 3 days, you won't go very far.
Jim
Not to belittle the point / query of Lukasek, but it seemed to me that when I was preparing for my visit last April there was a theme of 'Finanzkrise' running through the threads then. A quick search of 'financial crisis' on the FKK threads quickly reveals that the 'Finanzkrise' is nothing new, nor are the tactics adopted by the ladies to deal with it. Some bears see more aggressive gazelles, while other bears see oppurtunity.
Recently the Euro has been falling against the Loonie, so I see it as my 'Duty' to get as many Euro as I can and come to the aid of those poor gazelles.
The 'smart' girls will always know they can catch more bears with 'honey' rather than 'force'.
Myr.
Cumin' As Fast As I Can.
I hope you know how far from Frankfurt (and from the clubs) is Hahn airport, and have checked how much Sixti will charge you for excess mileage because with 300km for 3 days, you won't go very far.
Jim
Jim,
thanks ! I knew Hahn it is far from city, I thought to check it later, before to book the flight, I realized right now it is 120-130km far from city, so maybe it worth to spend more for ticket and get to the main airport in Frankfurt, I will save about 4 hours of driving and probably it will be cheaper even considering ryanair flyes only to Hahn.
Does anyone know anything about a shuttle bus operated by World that we keep hearing about in Frankfurt. We have never seen anything talked about this in the forum regarding.
Appreciate the help in anyone knows.
Chure
We know, usually hookers are not so wise, I saw more often girl that in couple of minutes wants to know yes/no and then stay much time sitting alone without knowing that if she only invested 15 minutes in every customers, at the end of the day she could get much more cash, as.... more or less, if she is nice and friendly after some time, but long enough, you will end to take her, but for me, even a great girl will hardly convince me to go to room in 2 minutes....obviously Angus....all it is IMHO :)
Bingo. Just wrapping up a four day tour of World and Oase. That she is as sweet and charming as she is pretty, and that she is willing to spend a fair amount of time with me in the public area, netted a young lady five sessions totaling six hours with me over the last two days.
Your welcome. fyi you now owe me a beer ;-)
Can I ask what day you visited Samya?
I owe you at least a beer, since that one alone saved me 50 Euro.
I was there last Friday evening, which in my opinion was a good night for a quality line up, but many of the girls were as interested in having fun at the bar as in doing a session. Even with 40 girls there, many of the rooms were empty with no wait. One girl, a tall bottle blonde with short curly hair was quite active, although she was not my type body wise (at least that day).
As for the watch, some girls told me about some guys that constantly watch the watch and want to finish the 30 minute session on time. I found this to be a distraction to having a good time. Whether in NRW or Hesse, I simply checked the time on the watch as I was taking it off in the room and then checked it after we were leaving, while putting the watch back on. I figured if we went over the 30 minutes, it was because we were enjoying each other's company and she had earned the extra 30 minutes. If upon completion, we were just beyond the 30 minutes, I would re-engage and complete the last 30 minutes.
So my (now experienced) advice to others, doing time management would be use the watch by don't be used by the watch. One thing I strongly advice is to take the watch off during the session, and forget about it until you finish your time with the girl. Let your bodies dictate when you finish, but check the time to be sure you are being quoted the right amount - or even better, just pay her for the time you know that you enjoyed with her, based on your watch.
After my trip, I think a GPS with an European road map is essential. Although I knew the general layout of the area, I could easily become confused with frequent exits, turns, and a spagetti-like quilt of higways in the more populated areas of Dusseldorf, Koln, and Duisburg.
Even with a GPS, a few exits were right on top of one another and I wasn't certain which one to take with the GPS saying exit next right. I found that the right exit entry was a bit before the GPS said where to exit. And a 'take fourth exit in roundabout' turned into twice around the roundabout, plus an exit just to get away from it to regroup. The best part of having the GPS was that a missed turn was easily corrected.
I purchased a Novi 270 for $60 on eBay, which turned out to be a wise investment, saving at least that much in time, money, and gas. Even thought I have a better sense of direction than most, a GPS is essential equipment in an unknown but populated area with unfamiliar road signs. Plus it helped finding ATMs and gas stations.
Australiasucks
02-22-10, 17:09
Not to belittle the point / query of Lukasek, but it seemed to me that when I was preparing for my visit last April there was a theme of 'Finanzkrise' running through the threads then. A quick search of 'financial crisis' on the FKK threads quickly reveals that the 'Finanzkrise' is nothing new, nor are the tactics adopted by the ladies to deal with it. Some bears see more aggressive gazelles, while other bears see oppurtunity.
Recently the Euro has been falling against the Loonie, so I see it as my 'Duty' to get as many Euro as I can and come to the aid of those poor gazelles.
The 'smart' girls will always know they can catch more bears with 'honey' rather than 'force'.
Myr.
Cumin' As Fast As I Can.
In my experience the ladies at Frankfurt clubs tend to be a lot more aggressive and business like, this is due to a large international presence there. If you try the NRW clubs that are frequented by locals you get real GFE, sometimes too real but why would I complain?? LOL. In some ways the financial crisis has improved things as more women turn tricks to make money.
I saw this clearly in my country.
...If you try the NRW clubs that are frequented by locals you get real GFE...
That's sounds interesting to me ;)
Please, kindly would you write a list of these NRW clubs or to explain me NRW so I will find them alone ?
Thanks
Australiasucks
02-22-10, 20:43
Bernd's
Living Room
Babylon
Cocoon(now a partytreff)
FKK Dolce Vita
Blue Note
FKK 39
FKK Heavensgate
Partytreff Dorsten
2 years ago was the last time I was in Germany. So this list maybe outdated. But I usually stick to NRW sex clubs over the Frankfurt ones.
So my (now experienced) advice to others, doing time management would be use the watch by don't be used by the watch. One thing I strongly advice is to take the watch off during the session, and forget about it until you finish your time with the girl. Let your bodies dictate when you finish, but check the time to be sure you are being quoted the right amount - or even better, just pay her for the time you know that you enjoyed with her, based on your watch.
Problem with sex is it throws off your 'inner clock'...10 minutes of sucking and fucking can seem like a half hour...and vice versa, 20 minutes of kissing can feel like 4 minutes.
I can't count the number of times i've almost finished and then realized id only been in the room for 15 minutes. I can take a quick glance to check how long ive left to go in the room...or how long ive overstayed the half hour allotment. Sometimes you get well past the half hour mark...you might as well enjoy it with the lady than running back to the locker.
Some guys swear on their watch's...others avoid them so they don't have a time limit. Regnad's reported that he'll let the lady decide how much time they have left...if your clicking with the girl and she's having fun, you might end up with a 40 minute half hour. Then again, if the girl wants to be done with you, you might end up with a 20 minute half hour. Or if you forget your watch, you might fuck so fast and find your out of the room in 20 minutes or less.
For those new to the scene, traveling in the winter and staying at the small local hotels...
upon checking in, turn up the radiator so that upon your return later in the evening your not going to bed in cold room.
I purchased a Novi 270 for $60 on eBay, which turned out to be a wise investment, saving at least that much in time, money, and gas. Even thought I have a better sense of direction than most, a GPS is essential equipment in an unknown but populated area with unfamiliar road signs. Plus it helped finding ATMs and gas stations.
Google Maps costs $60 less and has worked every bit as well as a GPS for me.
Google Maps costs $60 less and has worked every bit as well as a GPS for me.
Until you run into the car in front of you while trying to read the fine print.
A useful feature of the nuvi 270 is its ability to let you use the map function like you would on the internet...zooming in and around...then with a touch of the finger to a street you can set the gps to take you to that spot without having to look up an address or city. Useful if you know the area but forgot the street name.
Simply put...at 8 bucks a gallon for gas, a couple of wrong turns sure add up fast.
google maps costs $60 less and has worked every bit as well as a gps for me. next time you hear on the radio that there is an 1 hour stau on the a5, ask the printout from google maps about a detour. if the printout gives you a good detour on the fly, you should also ask it to beep when you are about to pass a speed cam ;-)
Next time you hear on the radio that there is an 1 hour stau on the A5, ask the printout from google maps about a detour.
Hah! Next time I hear on the radio that there's a 1 hour stau (?) on the A5, I won't understand a fucking word of it anyway, unless the announcement is bilingual.
And as far as that's concerned, I never listen to the radio anyway. My ipod and itrip make every voyage a lot more pleasant.
Hah! Next time I hear on the radio that there's a 1 hour stau (?) on the A5, I won't understand a fucking word of it anyway, unless the announcement is bilingual.
And as far as that's concerned, I never listen to the radio anyway. My ipod and itrip make every voyage a lot more pleasant.
Actually, I really enjoyed listening to German radio. And my Nuvi 270 was very effective in finding alternative routes, as well as nearby banks/atms and hotels. Going from Bernds to Hotel Johnel, the GPS took me down some very small one way roads into the back of Hennef, rather than on the main road. I would never have followed that route with a Google map.
Bingo. Just wrapping up a four day tour of World and Oase. That she is as sweet and charming as she is pretty, and that she is willing to spend a fair amount of time with me in the public area, netted a young lady five sessions totaling six hours with me over the last two days.
This is a self-reinforcing phenomenom. When you spend alot of time and have multiple sessions, the girls knows she has a find. Then you get special treatment. Unfortunately, sometimes the girl's expectations get too high. They expect sessions every time you see them and expect you to spend a certain amount of money. I always try to keep my interest in check. Not always easy. Who would have though that breaking up in a brothel is hard to do?
Actually, I really enjoyed listening to German radio. And my Nuvi 270 was very effective in finding alternative routes, as well as nearby banks/atms and hotels. Going from Bernds to Hotel Johnel, the GPS took me down some very small one way roads into the back of Hennef, rather than on the main road. I would never have followed that route with a Google map.
I, too, enjoy trying to piece together the info from German news radio, but I find I keep lapsing and finding one or more of the "American Forces Radio" stations where all the news, traffic, and weather are in English. It really helps me navigate around the stau's!
Mark
Folks, my apologies for not RTFF as there is just too much information. Going to be in London for business fairly soon and need to figure out what city in Germany to fly to known for best FKK. The cost is not an issue since I am only going for a couple of sessions. I am into younger (legal) EE girls and look for the place that is big enough to choose from. Is there a particular FKK that is considered to be at the top?
Unfortunately, sometimes the girl's expectations get too high. They expect sessions every time you see them and expect you to spend a certain amount of money. I always try to keep my interest in check. Not always easy. Who would have though that breaking up in a brothel is hard to do?
Yup. There's another girl at World with whom I've gotten friendly over the past couple of years. Despite the fact that she's not really my physical "type," I've done a few very enjoyable sessions with her. I haven't gone with her the past couple and she's pushed me on it a bit, making for a somewhat uncomfortable situation.
There's another girl at Oase who I've gone with 5 times over my past two visits. I know that she was expecting to see me yesterday, but I opted to return to World instead. I'm sure she was disappointed and not likely just for pecuniary reasons as we do enjoy each other's company quite a bit and have spent a considerable amount of time together outside the Zimmer. C'est la vie.
I, too, enjoy trying to piece together the info from German news radio, but I find I keep lapsing and finding one or more of the "American Forces Radio" stations where all the news, traffic, and weather are in English. It really helps me navigate around the stau's!
Mark
In the Duessldorf - Dortmund area, BFBS (British Forces Broadcasting Services) ain't too bad...
...and need to figure out what city in Germany to fly to known for best FKK. The cost is not an issue since I am only going for a couple of sessions. I am into younger (legal) EE girls and look for the place that is big enough to choose from. Is there a particular FKK that is considered to be at the top?
Two German cities stand out at top of the list to meet your needs:
Frankfurt:
Top clubs: Palace (easy to get too via public transport and/or taxi)
Oase (Great choice for the FKK newbie, very good selection)
World (tougher to reach, but full of young girls from Ro and Bg)
Duesseldorf: GoldenTime: Probably best/most vast selection of young girls
Living Room: Easy to reach, again top selection of young girls
PHG: Challenge to reach, but great club with nice line-up
My top selections for you:
If Frankfurt: Oase (best choice), Palace is a solid second choice. Either one will meet your needs.
If D-dorf: Just go to Living Room, you'll love it and it's fairly easy to get there.
Hah! Next time I hear on the radio that there's a 1 hour stau (?) on the A5, I won't understand a fucking word of it anyway, unless the announcement is bilingual.You won't need to turn on the radio to learn in any language that there's a Stau on the A5. By the sound of things you will have caused it. LOL.
i found an apparently good deal to rent a car in germany at argus car rental (http://www.argusrentals.com/). booked ahead of time, i was quoted a price of 83.47 euros for a four day rental of a mercedes a class. that's not for each day - that is the total for all four days! upon arrival, the only issues i found were that argus rentals booked a car with dollar thrifty who did not have a desk within the airport and no shuttle came by for almost an hour, before i took a short cab ride to the rental office.
instead of the mercedes, i was offered a fiat 6-speed manual, diesel minivan. as it turned out it wasn't a bad car, with plenty of room and zip. if you have driven a stick before, it works but if you haven't, you need to reserve a car with an automatic transmission. driving the autobahn for the first time with a manual transmission is not something i would recommend. fortunately, i have driven cars with manual transmissions, so i had no problem other than finding out that the key to reverse was pulling up on the boot rather than hunting a remote, deep position on the shift pattern (as i have on my 1971 triumph and my 1986 bmw).
i don't know how these companies make money on such a low rate, except via extras for insurance, snow tires, gps, etc. since i brought my own gps (loaded with my fkk hotspots), have experience driving in snow on radials, and my credit card company assured me (twice) that the liability was covered by them, i had no other costs other than a one-way 20 euro drop off fee. dollar thrifty put a 1000 euro deductible deposit on a credit card, but this charge was removed when i returned the car in frankfurt without damages.
maybe others will find this infomation useful.
Happy Tiger
02-23-10, 19:40
Anyone use sixti recently? There seem to be no car available at Frankfurt Terminal 2 no matter which date I choose. Are their business so good? I can drive a manual but prefer the automatic Smart and its price.
I, too, enjoy trying to piece together the info from German news radio, but I find I keep lapsing and finding one or more of the "American Forces Radio" stations where all the news, traffic, and weather are in English. It really helps me navigate around the stau's!
Mark
I usually listen to the english language stations and let the built in GPS notify me about stau. In the Hessen area AFN The Eagle is at 98.7 FM. It works pretty well until the Bonn area in the North and way past Heidelberg in the south. Once in Bonn switch to 107.9.
In NRW, there's the British forces radio, BFBS, which is at 97.8 in the Cologne/Dussledorf/ Dortmund/ Hannover area and 102.2 in the Muenster area on the FM dial.
It's amazing the wealth of otherwise useless information our hobby teaches us.
Traveling Gent
03-03-10, 00:10
I will be a newbie to Germany and the FKK scene.
I will be traveling to Germany in late April and have an opportunity to have downtime between business commitments over a weekend. I'll be staying in Southern Germany through the week. I will have all day Saturday to partake in FKK activity.
As an English speaking person, I understand German language about as much as I can say, which isn't much. I only know how to say, "Do you speak English? ", "no" and "thank-you" in German. I am sure I will pick up a few other German words and phrases during my stay, but you get the gist of my lack of understanding and talking the local language.
I intend to take the rail system to go further north and return out of Germany from one of the major airports that fly to the UK.
I most enjoy the ability to connect a little bit with a lady which means I need to be able to communicate with her (make her laugh, that sort of thing), and not just go through the motions of the physical part of a session.
With all that in mind, what can be my recommended hotel to stay and club to visit?
Also, I noted the entry fee to get into an FKK club, but when do you pay for a session? At the end of each session? To the lady you just had session with? Or back at the entry when you're ready to leave the club?
I appreciate any and all help in making my visit a good one and memorable (for the right reasons!).
If I might I should like to be the first to welcome you to ISG and the world of FKK. While I am neither a senior member nor well versed in all things FKK, I think I can save you some time.
First, the fact that you found ISG is a step in the right direction. That there are FKK all over Germany is plain from the index. What is not plain is that the rules / conditions differ by 'district' or state. What you have to do is decide which area you wish to visit.
Hint: The search button is your friend. Bonus tip: many newbies, myself included, started with Frankfurt and the Hessen 3: Palace, Oase & World. (Frankfurt is a 'hub' airport) Lately that trio has been expanded by several more clubs. Check the threads for these clubs. And the thread for Other FKK Clubs. The FAQ thread, the Travel Notice thread. You will find a lot of information. I myself made my inaugural visit last April to Palace and Oase. My introductory reports, intended to help newbies, are available on these threads, last April. ;)
I will be attending to Frankfurt myself this April. I am looking at Palace, Oase and perhaps Sharks or Das5element. I will stay in one of the many hotels available in the Hauptbahnhof area. There are others closer to Palace or Oase. Research will locate this information.
Good Luck with your search; perhaps we will cross paths.
Myrmidon
Gigabyte40
03-04-10, 03:13
I will be a newbie to Germany and the FKK scene.
I will be traveling to Germany in late April and have an opportunity to have downtime between business commitments over a weekend. I'll be staying in Southern Germany through the week. I will have all day Saturday to partake in FKK activity.
What can be my recommended hotel to stay and club to visit?
I appreciate any and all help in making my visit a good one and memorable (for the right reasons!).For your first visit, go to Club Palace. There is a very nice hotel located behind the club: Hotel Fleming. To find others, use google.com/maps and seach for "hotels near Königsberger Straße 23 60487 Frankfurt-Hausen"
(Simply cut and paste the address of any club and you can find hotels near it.) You don't have to speak or understand German to do this.
Anyone use sixti recently? There seem to be no car available at Frankfurt Terminal 2 no matter which date I choose. Are their business so good? I can drive a manual but prefer the automatic Smart and its price.
I booked with Sixti a while ago, as they have low prices, I had to find their office In Dortmund, the problem for me was that I booked using a debit card, so when they tried to take a €500 deposit off the card It wouldn't go through, unfortunatly I didn't have a credit card, though I'm sure they're good to use.
Angus Magee
03-04-10, 09:41
Also, I noted the entry fee to get into an FKK club, but when do you pay for a session? At the end of each session? To the lady you just had session with? Or back at the entry when you're ready to leave the club?
I would agree with what Myrmidon writes. In any FKK you will find ladies who can speak English. But at the Big 3 near Frankfurt you will probably find more English spoken. But if you are very adventurous & out going the language thing is not that important.
Also as Myrmidon says I think it helpful if you do a search for some posts on first time visits. They can often give you an idea of the sorts of situations you will encounter. More important though is to just jump in and have your own experience and not worry too much about how it will be.As with life itself, best to experience & not think too much about it.
As for when you pay the lady-in most clubs (there are exceptions i.e. Bernds) you pay the lady directly at the end of the session.
AM
Hello all,
I have a fair amount of experience in the clubs around Frankfurt and a few in NW. I am traveling to Munich this weekend where I have no experience. I would appreciate a few recommendations if someone could spare a moment, and any info about reaching using reasonable public transport. I did a search, but wasn't able to come up with a lot. Maybe a point if the direction of a couple of good posts would help if it is easier. The interesting thing is I met a couple of ladies from the clubs in Munich when I was at Sharks recently, but didn't get the names because I wasn't planning of going there. So much for plans. TIA!
Sky
Hello all,
I have a fair amount of experience in the clubs around Frankfurt and a few in NW. SkyLook at the map of FFKs and PTs, Looks like out of town is were I plan North and east twords Augsburg. Othere than that I'm fyling blind.
I'm to be ing Frankfut in April do you have sugjestions?
Thanks for your time.
Thanks for the info Otros.
Two German cities stand out at top of the list to meet your needs:
Colonel Sanders
03-05-10, 09:03
Howdy gents,
I'll be in Dusseldorf May 3 to May 8. I have been to Germany only once in '04. During that trip I visited FKK25 in Hamburg and FKK Villa in Hannover. Both were spectacular. I'll have a couple of free days in Dusseldorf this time and I don't mind driving a bit. Where should I go for some adventure?
Howdy gents,
I'll be in Dusseldorf May 3 to May 8. I have been to Germany only once in '04. During that trip I visited FKK25 in Hamburg and FKK Villa in Hannover. Both were spectacular. I'll have a couple of free days in Dusseldorf this time and I don't mind driving a bit. Where should I go for some adventure?
Well If your going to be staying In Dus why not check out the clubs In the local area of NRW?
Howdy gents,
I'll be in Dusseldorf May 3 to May 8. I have been to Germany only once in '04. During that trip I visited FKK25 in Hamburg and FKK Villa in Hannover. Both were spectacular. I'll have a couple of free days in Dusseldorf this time and I don't mind driving a bit. Where should I go for some adventure?
See,
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=990979&postcount=4468
Stay in the DUS area much better than driving North.
B30
Colonel Sanders
03-06-10, 05:59
Well If your going to be staying In Dus why not check out the clubs In the local area of NRW?Please pardon my ignorance Jerboa. What is NRW?
Hello all,
I have a fair amount of experience in the clubs around Frankfurt and a few in NW. I am traveling to Munich this weekend where I have no experience. I would appreciate a few recommendations if someone could spare a moment, and any info about reaching using reasonable public transport. I did a search, but wasn't able to come up with a lot. Maybe a point if the direction of a couple of good posts would help if it is easier. The interesting thing is I met a couple of ladies from the clubs in Munich when I was at Sharks recently, but didn't get the names because I wasn't planning of going there. So much for plans. TIA!
SkyI researched the Munich scene carefully last year and concluded that it wasn't worth it. The only well reviewed place was the penthouse privat brothel but you have to pre-book an appointment. The Munich board is close to dead. So I rented a car and drove to Fkk Colesium in Augsberg and this is the way to go. As a plan be you can take a train there and then a cab. May need a GPS driving as there was a lot of construction last Fall and had to improvise my way back to the highway.
Australiasucks
03-07-10, 00:19
Its shorthand for Nordrhein Westfalen, its like a state. Where I am, its NSW, aka New South Wales.
I recently stayed in one of the Mercure Hotels near to Frankfurt and found this handy-dandy 2010 German Calendar (please see images attached) on the desk in my hotel room. My german is not the very best (to say the least!), but the calendar seems to provide information relating to German public holidays and also fairs (messes), which is useful for all us Germanophiles or should I say Mongers! :)
Obviously, the attached calendar images are of a small size and nature so that they can be displayed in these hallowed webpages. If you would like a larger size image, please pm me with your email address, and I will send you a larger image size file. DO NOT reply to me here in this thread. If you dont subscribe to ISG and cannot pm me via the ISG Private Messaging service, I am DEFINITELY NOT sending you the calendar. If you do reply via pm, I will send the calendar in a few days, when I have a few email adresses to send to in one go! Everybody wins, cept for those lurkers, too mean to contibute/subscribe! :p
CD
Please pardon my ignorance Jerboa. What is NRW?
It is indeed a state or "Bundesland" a lot of clubs are located in NRW: GT, PHG, LR, VV, Freude, Samya, ACA, PSR etc.
Hessen is another Bundesland, south of NWR there you will find the Big3: Oase, World en Palace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Rhine-Westphalia
B30
This was my first trip to Germany to experience and enjoy the sexclubs. Several members asked me to post my experience and feelings as a newbie, but experienced monger, while comparing it to Montreal with which I have some familiarity.
Unlike many aspects elsewhere, I felt very comfortable and safe in Germany although for the most part I stuck to well known and larger venues. The facilities and rooms were in most cases very clean, while the girls were clean and desirable. I may be way off base with this impression, but I think there is a positive feedback loop at work, particularly in the FKK and sauna clubs. If a girl is not healthy or is unclean, a client will often (or should) go to management to complain, which it is in the best interest of the club to take care of the issue right away, lest a problem get out of hand. Likewise, if a client is not healthy and clean, a girl (hopefully) is not compelled to complete the session – and word will spread quickly amongst the girls. So for this reason, I also felt safe playing in the clubs, but realize that there is some risk involved and it is best to check things out for yourself to the extent that problems are observable.
After my visit to Germany, I can say without a doubt that such a visit should be on every mongers bucket list. I don’t know on the other hand that it would become a regular habit of mine, given the time and expense to travel across the Atlantic. Would I repeat if given the opportunity, i.e. travelling to or through Europe anyway? You betcha.
Now as far as Montreal, another place to have fun, the best I can compare it to is a 60 minute session with a CIM extra, costing 150 euro in a Hessen club and 100 euro in a NRW club. Its not quite the same, because in Montreal, there is less to do between sessions and the time between sessions is often longer. But for me, some of the LDL agency girls give a good 60 minutes of comparable sex with DFK and CIM for 180 CDN or 129 euro at current exchange rates. And for myself, Montreal is a little over 5 hours by car, vs. a good 10 hours via plane, taxi, train, customs, and security with travel costs that exceed $600. Is one better than the other on that basis? I’d say no, they are just different but would favor Germany by a long shot if the travel was shorter and cost less (as if originating from London, for example).
I hope that if you read my reports, you benefit from my description and experiences in Club Seesternchen, Oase, Samya, Babylon, and Bernds (each with a report in the appropriate forums). Which is my favorite? I really couldn’t tell – I like Oase and Bernds, but the other experiences weren’t far behind. I doubt that I can give more information, but if you have specific questions I don’t sharing.
Now as far as Montreal, another place to have fun, the best I can compare it to is a 60 minute session with a CIM extra, costing 150 euro in a Hessen club and 100 euro in a NRW club. Its not quite the same, because in Montreal, there is less to do between sessions and the time between sessions is often longer. But for me, some of the LDL agency girls give a good 60 minutes of comparable sex with DFK and CIM for 180 CDN or 129 euro at current exchange rates. And for myself, Montreal is a little over 5 hours by car, vs. a good 10 hours via plane, taxi, train, customs, and security with travel costs that exceed $600.
Im sure alot of the senior mongers on this board can tell you, the more you visit the club and the girls get to know you, the more time the girls will spend with you outside the room. One of my most memorable nights was spent in the Oase jacuzzi with 9 hot naked women, all trying to get one last 50 euro bill to take home. I wasn't buying but I didnt decline the sales pitch. Can't get that in Montreal.
I also find it more relaxing to go for the half hour one pop sessions over Montreal's 'hour' that is really closer to 40 minutes after the girl undress's and then showers (on your time). 50 euro's for 30 or 130 for an hour? Id have to go with the 50.
Don't get me wrong, I love Montreal...but I hate trying to set up appointments. I get the urge for some action...but have to wait 5 hours for the lady to get to my hotel, 7 if she runs late. And you hope when she shows up the two of you 'click'...and if she cancels last minute, the chances of you getting a decent lay is a crapshoot.
As to the expense, this year sucks the big one. Flight in the winter last year started in the mid 500's in febuary and went as low as 380 to Frankfurt...while at the same time airfare to Montreal was mid 400's. 10x's the airmiles to fly to euro made me jump at the chance. This year prices are double that of last year...luckily I used those airmiles for a couple of free flights, one in the summer. Car rental/hotels in germany total about the same as a hotel in Montreal...cancel each other out.
But for me, some of the LDL agency girls give a good 60 minutes of comparable sex with DFK and CIM for 180 CDN or 129 euro at current exchange rates. And for myself, Montreal is a little over 5 hours by car, vs. a good 10 hours via plane, taxi, train, customs, and security with travel costs that exceed $600. Is one better than the other on that basis? I’d say no, they are just different but would favor Germany by a long shot if the travel was shorter and cost less (as if originating from London, for example).
First off, for the "uninitiated," LDL stands for Low Dollar Lady as opposed to HDH (High Dollar Hottie), who is generally a girl working for a high priced agency with primarily tourist appeal.
I really don't think you can compare the Montreal and Germany experiences, though I'd agree with MM that I prefer the German. That said, Montreal is at my doorstep and Germany is still quite exotic. I live halftime in Montreal and yet I travel to FKKland three to four times a year.
By the way, MM, if you haven't noticed, there's quite a price war going on and quite a bit to be found at 140$ CDN though the current exchange rate between the greenback and the loonie sucks.
I love the clubs, but I also like entertaining the delightful French-Canadian girls in my own home.
First off, for the "uninitiated," LDL stands for Low Dollar Lady as opposed to HDH (High Dollar Hottie), who is generally a girl working for a high priced agency with primarily tourist appeal.
I really don't think you can compare the Montreal and Germany experiences, though I'd agree with MM that I prefer the German. That said, Montreal is at my doorstep and Germany is still quite exotic. I live halftime in Montreal and yet I travel to FKKland three to four times a year.
By the way, MM, if you haven't noticed, there's quite a price war going on and quite a bit to be found at 140$ CDN though the current exchange rate between the greenback and the loonie sucks.
I love the clubs, but I also like entertaining the delightful French-Canadian girls in my own home.Hi Regnad,
Too bad I couldn't prepay for F1 weekend at those prices!
Best Regards
Smuler
Don't get me wrong, I love Montreal...but I hate trying to set up appointments. I get the urge for some action...but have to wait 5 hours for the lady to get to my hotel, 7 if she runs late. And you hope when she shows up the two of you 'click'...and if she cancels last minute, the chances of you getting a decent lay is a crapshoot.
I concur that setting up an appointment is more of a crap shoot in Montreal and can be more frustrating. But if you do your homework on the forums, you can reduce your risk of a bad session. But the risk of a bad session is also true of the FKK and Sauna clubs, as well, but you can cut your losses at 50 euro.
In Montreal, you aren't tied down to staying put in between session and you are in a major city. So if you make your appointments early in the afternoon for later in the evening and night, you can plan accordingly and go out for a nice dinner, explore the city, and have a nice (not overpriced) hard drink. But this very different than sitting back and watching some very pretty naked girls 'relaxing' in a German club.
None of the agency girls cancel at the last minute. You might find that the girl doesn't report for the day after you have made an appointment, but the reputable agencies will work with you to identify a suitable replacement of equal value.
As for the girl dithering around, taking a shower on your time, this does not happen for me. I found the Montreal girls gave me nearly a full hour of playtime, most often with two shots on goal and including CIM. And sometimes the regular fee included anal. Showers were usually taken in the last five minutes, or in the extended time while the girl awaited arrival of her driver. On arrival, it took no more than five minutes to conduct the transaction, check into the agency, and take a sip of wine before the clothes came off.
So I think value-wise on a comparable basis, Montreal staked up pretty well against the German FKK and Sauna clubs. But the two experiences are just different and which you like depends on your preferences. The cost and duration of travel to Germany is also an important consideration. Montreal is a simple drive for me, whereas flying to Germany is nearly 20 hours of travel and $800 in expense. Without the travel considerations, I'd give a solid edge to the German clubs.
I am not saying I didn't enjoy the FKK and Sauna clubs - I liked them very much. I also felt safer there than in Montreal, with more company (someone to talk with) between sessions.
During my recent tour, I saw surprisingly few pierced girls in the FKK and Sauna clubs. In contrast with many, I actually enjoy an attractively decorated, but not overdecorated, girl. In particular, I had my eye out for someone with a tongue piercing. Is body piercing outlawed in Germany? Have you encountered any FKK girls with pierced tongues that really know how to use it (most don't and the effect is nothing special)?
Angus Magee
03-09-10, 18:41
Is body piercing outlawed in Germany?
Not at all. I can think of a number of girls who have various parts pierced at Artemis. I am not adverse to a nice piercing but they have to be tasteful. Similar to how I feel about tats. Liz at Artemis has some very nice face piercings which IMO ad to her over all attractiveness.
I am not a big fan of pussy piercing. I find it distracting and don't like how they click on my teeth. But it is not generally a deal killer.
Have you encountered any FKK girls with pierced tongues that really know how to use it (most don't and the effect is nothing special)?
I find generally that if a girl knows her stuff in the bj department, a tongue piercing can add to the experience. If not, then it tend to be just painful.
Connie (Bulgaria) at Artemis has one and knows how to use it.
AM
Vito Corleone
03-09-10, 22:37
Have you encountered any FKK girls with pierced tongues that really know how to use it (most don't and the effect is nothing special)?
Ivanka - Oase
Steffi - Oase
Cheyenne - Palace/GT
Marina - Palace
Milka - LR
Stella - LR
Lisa - GT
Cassandra - GT
There are many more, but these are the women who I remember right off the bat.
Candyman74
03-10-10, 09:10
id appreciate the experienced mongers' help with the following:
-which is the best Frankfurt FKK for non english speaking mongers?
-had anyone had any racism issues at the Frankfurt clubs?
-do heavy guests have a tough time at the clubs?
i read the reports but did not get any specific answers.
would really appreciate it.
CM
id appreciate the experienced mongers' help with the following:
-which is the best Frankfurt FKK for non english speaking mongers?
-had anyone had any racism issues at the Frankfurt clubs?
-do heavy guests have a tough time at the clubs?
CM
Well since obviously you have fine command of the English language, why are you asking about clubs suitable for non-English speakers? I think the answer is that all the clubs are equally good or bad for speakers of any language. They are all excellent first and foremost for German-speakers, but as has been so widely reported on and, with all respect, discussed almost ad nauseum, English-speakers do fine in these clubs as well. I'm sure if you spoke Romanian, you'd get on like a house on fire with at least half the line-up at some of these clubs. Bulgarian wouldn't hurt either. Spanish and Itialian would probably also work with alot of the Romanian girls who alternatively claim to be from Spain and/or Italy. You speak Russian? or Polish? You can use them to good effect when targeted to the right girls.
You ask about heavy guests? I guess you know that so many German men love their Schweinhaxe-portions and you know: You are what you eat, sometimes. As for first-hand experience, I myself am not thin but by no means super-heavy. The closest I can comment is on being "heavily stoned." No problem, there, mate!
O
id appreciate the experienced mongers' help with the following:
-which is the best Frankfurt FKK for non english speaking mongers?
-had anyone had any racism issues at the Frankfurt clubs?
-do heavy guests have a tough time at the clubs?
i read the reports but did not get any specific answers.
would really appreciate it.
CM
Hey CM,
Doubtful that there will be any problems regarding overt racism in any of the F'furt clubs.
Personally I'd recommend World or Oase for non-English speakers. Obviously non-English speakers can get by at Palace as well, but they tend to be bigger targets for the girls who scam and up-sell than the others.
Unless one speaks good Deutsch ;-))
Heavy guys do just as well as the non-heavy types provided their wallets are also heavy.
Just my two cents.
Cheers and have fun,
Dedalus
id appreciate the experienced mongers' help with the following:
-which is the best Frankfurt FKK for non english speaking mongers?
-had anyone had any racism issues at the Frankfurt clubs?
-do heavy guests have a tough time at the clubs?
i read the reports but did not get any specific answers.
would really appreciate it.
CM
I agree with what's said by the other guys.
Many Romanian girls have quite good French language capability by the way, if that's a possibility for you.
Asian Machine
03-10-10, 16:11
Hi guys,
I'm new to this forum. First of all thanks for all the posts and the insights shared on this forum.
I will be in Germany next month and intend to visit one of the big 3 FKK's in Frankfurt. But having read a few of the other threads in this and other forums, I am a bit concerned about the safety factor. Sorry if these concerns sound foolish but would be glad if some of the experienced guys could clear them:
- Some members seem to suggest that the girls in FKK's generally suffer from HPV's and other viruses and the mongers are well aware of these dangers and still feel its worth taking the risk. (eg: BBBJ)
- The above would suggest that most mongers themselves suffer from one or more of these and hence see no additional risk attached. Is this true or too simplistic an assumtion? (no offence meant guys but I'm just picking up observations from other threads)
- So basically if I have DFK, protected sex, no BBBJ should I be ok or would it still be risky considering that the girls seem to be giving a DFK to just about anyone and hence are potential carriers of HPV. Etc.
Will be grateful if members could share some insights.
Thanks
Hi guys,
I'm new to this forum. First of all thanks for all the posts and the insights shared on this forum.
I will be in Germany next month and intend to visit one of the big 3 FKK's in Frankfurt. But having read a few of the other threads in this and other forums, I am a bit concerned about the safety factor. Sorry if these concerns sound foolish but would be glad if some of the experienced guys could clear them:
- Some members seem to suggest that the girls in FKK's generally suffer from HPV's and other viruses and the mongers are well aware of these dangers and still feel its worth taking the risk. (eg: BBBJ)
- The above would suggest that most mongers themselves suffer from one or more of these and hence see no additional risk attached. Is this true or too simplistic an assumtion? (no offence meant guys but I'm just picking up observations from other threads)
- So basically if I have DFK, protected sex, no BBBJ should I be ok or would it still be risky considering that the girls seem to be giving a DFK to just about anyone and hence are potential carriers of HPV. Etc.
Will be grateful if members could share some insights.
Thanks
If these thoughts are top of mind for you, FKKs aren't for you. You won't be able to enjoy yourself in the Fkk environment. I'm just being upfront with you, not being rude or sarcastic.
Australiasucks
03-11-10, 02:41
You can always get a cbj if you are afraid of STDs.
Angus Magee
03-11-10, 11:02
Will be grateful if members could share some insights.
I more or less agree with the other poster who says that you sound a little too concerned with the disease aspect to really enjoy yourself.
But as you specifically mention HPV-it is unlikely that you would contract HPV through bbbj. HPV is contracted through genital contact. And as you will no doubt be wearing a condom for sex you are more or less "covered". More or less because you could contract it on the scrotum which, unless you really stretch the condom and encase your balls, is uncovered. But then the lady would have to have a great big old patch of warts outside the the vagina.
The whole scenario, as disturbing as it sounds, is exceedingly unlikely.
But then there are other conditions that you can catch through bbbj, e.g. chlamydia.
There is plenty about this if you google it.
Mongering is all about acceptable risk. What is acceptable to you, keeping in mind any partners you have who do not know of your mongering activities.
AM
Will be grateful if members could share some insights.
Thanks
I found the FKK and Sauna club girls to be among the cleanest, healthiest environments in the hobby that I have seen. The clubs, I speculate, are as concerned about a healthy environment as your are - in fact its their business, although I am sure their care varies from place to place.
During my tour with 18 girls, I only observed one health problem - and I get a close look down there for just that reason. Sure, one is all it takes, but in that case I scaled my activity down to only oral with her.
If you are playing in the hobby, your concerns are more relevant whereever else you are playing. Also, in the FKK/saunaclubs, it is easier to care for yourself better. In the shower (a few short minutes after every session, since with a condom, pathogens like HPV would take longer to penetrate the skin), you can wash the affected parts with an antiseptic (mouthwash, hydrogen peroxide, betadine). And you can take a prophylactic general antibiotic. If you have also religiously used a condom for sex (bjs too if you are so inclined), you are about as protected as just about any other environment, including the neighborhood grocery.
Unless, you stretch the condom beyond the balls to encase the whole body before going shopping.
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