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Optimist

09-14-04, 19:31

A report on our recent three day visit to Beverly. We’ll do them in reading order so this one will be about Day Three – Sunday

We arrived about 18.00 and were almost the first there. Iseeu was right that it is “family night”. Almost all the couples knew at least one or two other couples, There were about twentyfive couples at most, about four or five single men, and two “regular” women.

It was very quiet – we left at about 23.30 and by then the crowd was already thinning out significantly. None of the couples engaged in cross couple action (apart from those who came together), many never engaged in any action at all, and none (apart from us) let any single men join. Nearly everybody was in the disco almost all night – and many of the people did not seem to be enjoying themselves (apart from when watching some pole dancing by paid performers – we though it a bit tedious, especially as one of the dancers was very clumsy getting her clothes off)

So it sounds bad – well, in fact we had a brilliant time! Sunday may be quiet but it could be a very good night for single men – if luck is with them.

One of the regular women was a bouncy young enthusiastic friendly girl who made a beeline for Shiatsu. Shiatsu decided not to do anything with her apart from a little passing chat. For any single male she was lovely – we saw her talking at the bar for a long time and also taking them off to small rooms. The other regular woman was also working well – each time she saw a single man she followed him and swept him off. So full marks to the regular women - no single male would be left out

We decided to enjoy ourselves even if nobody else was moving off their disco stools. So we picked out a single man and Cordelia fucked him, while another one joined in by being sucked (by Cordelia). They both came at the same time – one coming all over Cordelia’s face and in her mouth. What we forgot to mention was that Cordelia was desperate for sex at that point as she had been walking round a town all day with no knickers but being touched up by Shiatsu. So the two men got a real treat. This is the good thing about Beverly – the single men can sometimes strike lucky.

After a rest we decided that, given so few men, we would try the same men again. We only found one of them. He was willing for a second go with Cordelia. This time Shiatsu joined in and assfucked Cordelia while J (the man) fucked her. This time there was an audience – one couple watched the whole proceedings for about half hour but didn’t want to join in. We were no longer worried about this – we realise that most couples at Beverly are not into sex with strangers. Some couples watched at the door for a while also – two of the staff and regular women spent about twenty minutes watching – so it must have been interesting. When we finished the bouncy regular girl came in and we had a little crossroom chat – most unBeverly like where silence seems to reign in the “sex” areas

After another rest we did another tour of the premises. The only action was some couples in the couples area being watched by two single men who were not allowed to join in. So we picked up J again – asking him if he wanted to assfuck Cordelia. We went to a room and were joined by another single man – who, encouraged by Shiatsu, assfucked Cordelia. J then took over and assfucked Cordelia. He came for the third time The Beverly staff again took an interest, turning the lights up so they could watch.

So all in all a really enjoyable night. The only way to get the best out of Beverly is to go for it and take the chances. And to realise that many couples are there just to watch

A final plus - the staff were extremely friendly. When we left our hands were warmly shaken, and while we were there one of them made a point of talking to us (within my limited German). And the woman at the disco bar was so attractive and had a gorgeous smile.

One general point – after five days at Bev, Cordelia says the best men were wsg members and other “mongers” – which we have defined as men who were interested in enjoying themselves with many women and also enjoy being nice to the woman. The youngest men tended to be the least subtle and to think sex just means in out in out, The mongers tend to say thank you, say nice things and generally be pleasant – and best at sex. And she says that size doesn’t matter – it’s what men do with it (although it was fun for Cordelia to have J – who is very well-endowed. We have bought a large vibrator which we have christened J as a mark of honour to J)

Postscript – we were so horny after three days in Beverly that knickerless Cordelia came discreetly (with a little assistance from Shiatsu) the next day whilst waiting in the airport for the flight home

We plan to go back. We’ll post dates when we know so anyone interested might also be there

Next time we plan to try Caesars Palace also which is in the same area and has been recommended to us by two German people

Cordelia and Shiatsu

Optimist

09-14-04, 19:52

Day Two of our Bev visit. We have already reported in Day Three

Saturday is the big night of the week. It’s our least favourite simply because we have to wait until 21.00 for it to open, and nothing starts happening until well past 22.00. The place is heaving with people – but as on other nights, most people were there just to watch and be seen. Obviously adding a little adventure to their sex at home.

We started in the hot room and were joined by four brave single men who Cordelia either sucked or fucked, while Shiatsu kept an eye on things (of various shapes and sizes). Eventually Shiatsu joined in when the number of men thinned out. There were about six regular women there that night so there weren’t a lot of men queuing. Unlike the previous week there were no inexperienced rough men so it was all good.

Later on, one couple seemed to be fairly lively. They were in the downstairs small dark room – she was standing and being fucked by two or three single men in turn. We joined in the room doing similar but didn’t have quite as much success as she was noisier than us at that point – noise seems to attract single men. Still, Cordelia ended up with cum all over her tits (he was a short man)

Later in the evening we found ourselves in a room with the same couple. She was again working through two or three men. Her partner left her to join Cordelia who had another three or four men. We noticed that several were repeat customers from earlier. One was a very nice cheerful German man – who unlike most men seemed confident enough to talk and be friendly (although several otheres did whisper “welcome to Germany” in Cordelia’s ear)

So a good night as the men were generally friendly and not too embarrassed. Several of the men were repeat customers of Cordelia which was very reassuring - generally it seems that once a man hads made the initial effort he is willing to keep coming back. Very welcome

Apart from this we saw no action except between couple who had come together so we didn’t bother trying to swap with a couple. It was obvious that Saturday is the big night for people to come just to be seen in the disco.

Optimist

09-14-04, 20:01

Day One of our visit to Beverly

Our general comments are mainly in Day Three already posted. We hope the reports are helpful to anybody thinking of going to Bev as a single man.

Day One was Friday – 18.00 start. As always we got there at opening. Friday is our preferred night of the weekend. More activity than Sunday, not as crowded as Sunday. There were plenty of single men and half a dozen regular women so it would be a good night for single men to go – but as always it will be dependent as well on finding a couple willing to let single men join in

The main activity for most cutomers is watching so we had to start things off again since we go to Bev not to talk or watch but to fuck. We lay down in a downstairs room and started. Fortunately some single men had the nerve to join us and get their reward. Three came on Cordelia’s face/in mouth and two fucked. We asked the last one if he wanted to assfuck Cordelia but he refused in a state of shock – we noticed that later in the evening he was following us around in silence. We got really pissed off – but later realised he was trying to undo the mistake of his refusal since later in the evening he joined in a group and assfucked Cordelia without being asked to. This sums up the attitude of many of the single men at Bev- they haven’t got all the nerve they need. However if you go to Bev and you’ve got the nerve to risk a brush off or a challenge then you can do really well. What many of the nervous single men don’t seem to realise is that Cordelia and Shiatsu are just as scared of rejection and that it is not easy to perform in front of a silent group of people.

Inessa passed by Cordelia again and put her fingers up Cordelia – a very welcome initiative which Cordelia returned. (btw – Sorcerer we passed on your regards to Inessa who certainly remembered you well)

The disco was open but we aren’t very interested in sitting around on bar stools all night or watching haldf a dozen customers dancing. One woman did a good pole dance (but we’re not really interested in that and she was not interested in sex with anyone – she went off to a room with her partner, closed the door and shut the curtain behind them. The partner had groped Cordelia earlier and tried to fuck her but didn’t get an erection (he tried the same with somebody else also with the same result)

We met wsg Member 2519, and Cordelia had three really enjoyable sessions with him. Member 2519 is is a true monger (a compliment) as we define it in our Day Three report. Unlike many of the men at Beverly he was not shy of coming forward. He was a godsend when Shiatsu was assfucking Cordelia with her legs wide on top facing a crowd of about twentyfive onlookers, none of whom had the nerve or inclination to join in (many single men obviously do not want/are not able to come five times in a night) despite an invite. However Member 2519 responded to a shouted invitation and cam over to lick Cordelia, Rather unBeverly behaviour on our part – breaking the rather creepy silence in the “sex” areas. I guess it is very intimidating for most single men to join in with a crowd watching. Single men join in most readily in the darkest smallest rooms. Shiatsu found the lack of joining in quite threateneing as it seemd like a rejection – until he realised that many men were pacing themselves for a very long evening

We didn’t try couples for the reasons we have stated before – and we couldn’t face long roundabout discussions getting to know a couple given our limited time in Germany and given that few couples share with strangers

Iseeu

09-15-04, 02:40

Dear Shiatsu and Cordelia,

Wow, another set of great reports, almost feel like I was there with you Hot stuff and well reported. Did Shiatsu walk around with a notepad? I really envy you guys and the lucky guys who got to play with Cordelia.

I was very pleased to see that our mongerers reputation is well earned, and that our finely honed skills achieved from pleasuring women all over the world in varied hobby experiences are well appreciated, even by a gourmet like Cordelia.

We serve on land and on sea wherever a pair of legs lie open, port of entry beckoning, risking limb and organ, braving hot flashes and cold bitches, giving highly trained service to the wanting (or should that be wanton) women of the world :-)

Sounds like you had a great vacation.

T_Bozen

09-15-04, 13:32

Hello everybody,

I´m writing this report from Koln, close to Solingen-Burg where Beverly is.

I´ve been there last night (Sep 14th) and willing to repeat it again tonight.

Arrived to town around 8 PM by train from Frankfurt, took a taxi to a hotel recomended by the Beverly staff, name is HOTEL BURGERHOF tel. 0212/42461 or 42568 . Single room w/breakfast 50 Euros.

Showered, got dresses and headed to Beverly at 9 pm. A gentleman greeted my at the entrance and explained how things go in there.. and to my surprise he told me it was the bi/gay/les night but anything goes as well.

Place was not very crowded, most of the people were couples, and around 10 single men, 2 single women and 3 Trans.

Kept going around till I had an eyecontact with a beautiful gorgeous young lady that I didn´t notice before; she was sitting with another young lady and a +/- 57 year old gentleman.

She asked my to join them for a drink.. and I did, My German is not perfect but OK to handle a limited-basic conversation, she was from Ukraine (32 yrs) and her friend from Russia (27), and they came along with the German man from a nearby town.

We started chatting a bit, then I got to the point, so she asked if I would mind that we go all four of us. I said not at all.

We went to a private room. BBBJ, a heavenly one. Then some great GF type sex. It was great. Just next to us her friend was doing it with the German guy.

Later we showered, had some drinks, then we did it againstarting with another BBBJ in one of the open rooms downstairs, and around 2 couples and 2 single men were watching it was great. I asked her for anal but she said she doesn´t like it. She said she might come again tonight.

IT WAS GREAT

I´m going again tonight. I hope she is there. Iif not we´ll see

BTW .. I´m half Italian / half North African, 35 yrs.

have fun

Tim.

Optimist

09-15-04, 16:09

T_Bozen

Thanks for the report. How many couples were there?Were the couples all male/female? Did you see any other action?

Optimist

09-15-04, 19:26

We're planning going back to Germany again (can't get too much of a good thing, strike while the iron (or at least us) is hot and so on).

We're probably going to Bev on Wed 29th, Fri 1 Oct and Sun 3rd, with a visit to Caesars Palace on Saturday. We also will be visiting the Giessen/Frankfurt area on the other days.

If anybody is likely to be in the area at the same time and would like to meet up then let us know. If you would like to meet Cordelia and Shiatsu we could meet at Beverly, Caesars Palace, or (in Frankfurt/Giessen area) somewhere without the crowd

Member #2519

09-15-04, 21:35

Shiatsu,

I tried to pm you, but your mail box is full!!

Daniel

AsianLover

09-15-04, 22:13

Pegasus Treff Club - Dusseldorf.

I have not seen anything written about this club on this board. Has anyone been there recently and can you report on the quality of the girls, service, cost, etc?

Stimpson

09-15-04, 22:31

I don't know if it is considered bad form to link to other forums here, but there are some reports on Pegasus here

http://21orover.com/discus/messages/43/62373.html

Nothing very recent, though. I haven't been there in quite a while, but I thought it was very good. Unfortunately, uncovered BJ is a pretty major selling point for me. If they offered it there, I would probably go regularly. But the 3 times I was there, they did not.

Stimpy

Mustang2

09-16-04, 04:17

Thanks all for the great reports on Beverly, I'm really excited about my next trip.

Shiatsu, I should be there on Wed, and Fri. I look forward to meeting you. I'll PM a description of myself.

AsianLover, I have read a number of reports on Pegasus over the years, one recently on another message board. The consensus seems to be that it can be a very good place, particularly if you're into asians. Most reports say that there are three girls including the propriator, Nan. They also limit entrance to 6 single men, so arrive when it opens. The main down side mentioned is that the selection of girls is very small. I intend to check this place out on the 27th or 28th, as I have passed it over on previous trips.

T_Bozen

09-16-04, 11:24

Beverly - 2nd report - Sep 15th

I am not as good as Shaitsu in writing, but I'll try to do my best.

Before going ahead, Shaits, there were some couples on Sep 14, around 4 couples not more, but they were not getting / inviting some1 into action. They seemed to want some privacy.

Well re Sep 15

Went there at 8 pm, the guy at the door told me the theme is Super Orgy night. Changed and went around. There were about 12 couples, 7 single men and 3 single women, some action was going on in the private rooms.

I went upstairs to the big room, and I found a lady all alone, asked her if could join, she said ok but only for BBBJ, NO problem.

She was half german half italian so we spoke in our native language, and after a couple of minutes a gentleman joined the room, she introduced him as her husband, who works there 2 days a week. Anyway the BJ was ok, not galatic like the previous day with the Ukranian chick but OK.

Went to refeul, and that brings me to a point a forgot to mention. The buffet is the least to say, a FIVE STAR one. You can find anything you want, great quality food.

Later on kept going around again, I was invited by a couple but I declined since they were full of pierciengs and tattoos. (not my type)

I noticed a German lady (around 45) who was doing it with a couple of guys in on of the corridors, so I waited till they finished, she showered, asked her, and she said JA, so up we go again to a private room. It was OK. I seemed to have enjoyed the previous night much more ( the company of that Ukranian Diana -that's her name- was spectcular)

Anyway, had 2 leave early (around 10:30) cuz i had to wake up early today to catch a flight back to Italy.

Re the hotel BURGERHOF. They grant a small discount if you mention tht you are Beverly client, also it's a walking distance from there.. around 1 KM. 10 - 13 mins on foot.

The rooms are nice and cosy, and they have an excellent cuisine.

Enjoy your time,

Tim

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Optimist

09-17-04, 09:30

T_Bozen

Thanks for the information, It's really helpful for us to get details about numbers and how to make approaches.

Thanks for the nice comments about our reports. I don't think our reports are particularly good - it's just that we have the advantage of having Cordelia's perspective and experience - they're her reports in many ways. We worry we put too much detail in.

Iseeu - btw - it's Cordelia who has the journal. And we're not sure whether gourmet or gourmand or both best suit Cordelia!

Cordelia and Shiatsu

StudFarm

09-18-04, 12:40

Hi friends,

Is it true that people who enter Beverly must keep their clothes in lockers and must either walk in nude or they can maximum wear a black shorts. Walking nude will be a big embarasment for us. Kindly post the correct information. Also inform waht is the entrance charges for single men.

Thanking you,

Optimist

09-18-04, 18:53

http://www.beverlypage.de/index.asp has all the price info/ Maximum is 150E on Sat and 125 on Fri - other days are cheaper

Bllack shorts/underpants/thongs with a black wellfitted t-shirt is a safe bet. Very very few people walk around nude

Street clothes are kept in lockers. (we forgot to lock ours one night and the staff took all our belongings and clothes for safekeeping - at first we thought we were going to have to walk 10km in the nude let alone walking around B in the nude!). You should not wear street clothes for an evening in Beverly.

Black is not de rigeur but is a safe choice.

StudFarm

09-19-04, 13:08

Hi friends,

Do Beverly allow Asians inside. We are Indians planning a business visit to Germany. After reading wsg reports we very much wish to go to Beverly. But we do not know the Beverly"s admission policy. Does anybody have any idea?

Regards

T_Bozen

09-22-04, 11:00

Studfarm

I don't think Beverly has a sort of (Race) policy; in fact one of the couples around consisted of one German guy with an Indian lady (or maybe a 2nd generation Indian) but still, her origin was obvious.

If you have doubts give them a call before, you'll find the tel. nr on the website.

Have fun.

CBGBConnisur

09-27-04, 04:49

Does anyone know of a train from Bonn that stops in Solingen? I'm planning to pay a visit to this club, does anyone know what is the best night for a single male?

Hessen Bub

09-27-04, 07:18

Try www.bahn.de

Takes about one hour by train.

Hessen Bub

CBGBConnisur

09-27-04, 18:06

Thank you for the information, any idea what night would be good for a heterosexual single male?

Captain America

09-28-04, 16:57

I'll be making my first visit to Beverly this coming saturday, Oct 2nd, and would love to meet up with some fellow mongers from this forum. You can PM me if you're planning on being there.

Optimist

09-28-04, 18:44

Capt America - we've PMd you

CBGB - hello. It's hard to say which is best. Our experience is only of Fr Sa Su. It depends very much on luck. There are always some regular women there so you needn't go home untouched. However what makes Bev exceptional generally is if there is a couple willing to play with a single man. And that depends on good fortune.

You also have to be willing to risk getting a no for an answer - very few couple sare willing to play with a single man. Best way is to initiate an approach in the bar area - no good waiting for eye contact etc. Another approach is to skulk around the downstairs dark area - sooner or later something interesting will happen

We'll be there this Wed, Fri and Sun. You'll have read our earlier reports of previous visits. Maybe see you there. If you'll be there at these times PM us - we're leaving for Germany in a few hours

Have a good time

Shiatsu and Cordelia

Optimist

09-28-04, 20:02

Capt America - forgot to say that this Sat is the really busy night of the month - the leather and shiny night. You will be ok wearing black smart underpants and t-shirt. Entrance is 150Euros.

Like Them Small

10-02-04, 19:48

I spend a lot of time in Stuttgart, and have enjoyed the FKK Pheonix. But are there any PartyTreff clubs in Stuttgart?

CBGBConnisur

10-02-04, 19:57

I finally got the opportunity to visit the Beverly club, it was a pretty decent experience but not FKK quality. Most of the women are local Germans not the Eastern European beauties we are accustomed to at the FKKs. I have to say the attitude of most of the ladies were excellent(although there were not too many stunners), most of them were eager to fuck, which is a sharp contrast to most US and Canadian women. Most of the action takes place in the back of the club, there are places where u can stick your penis into and some chic will suck it. Still FKKs offer the best sex in Germany by far.

Mustang2

10-05-04, 04:18

mustang?s 2004 germany trip

this is first of several reports from a trip to the nrw region of germany. i?ve been making approximately annual trips to this region for several years now. each trip i try to include some old favorite clubs and try new ones. this years itinerary:
(9/27/04 - 10/2/04)
monday partytreff pegasus dusseldorf
tuesday planet happy garden oedt
wednesday beverly solingen
thursday goldentime
friday beverly
saturday beverly

obviously, beverly is a favorite, made more special by an arranged meeting with shiatsu and cordelia, but that?s the subject of later posts.

day 1 : pegasus

having heard rep001tered reports about pegasus over the years, i had never managed to visit this club. previous experience with partytreff mettmann was pretty bad, but pegasus' web page looked interesting. i'd been told to expect a small club with about three women. the main advantage of pegasus appears to be the central dusseldorf location, but that didn?t matter to me since i had a rental car.

the club.

pegasus is in the lowest level of a ordinary building in a pretty ordinary apartment block. the buzzer is just marked 'pegasus'. a open door in the entrance hallway leads downstairs to the club where i was greeted by nan, the proprietress, who explained the club and the all inclusive price of 120 euro. she briefly showed me the showers, changing area, and sauna. in addition there?s a small snack area (beware the very stale pretzels), small bar (no alcohol is served), lounge area, and 3 small, mattress covered play rooms.

the girls.

in addition to nan, see web site for pictures, was pao lin whom nan introduced as her sister. i'm not sure i believe this, though. the third girl introduced herself as natasha from russia, of moderate height, fit, with mid-length black hair and a cute face. she was my favorite. all three wore easily removable lingerie and platform heels. nan and natasha spoke reasonable english, pao lin less so.

other customers present came from netherlands, denmark and portugal. two other americans showed up later in the evening, but left very quickly. i was surprised at the lack of germans; maybe they knew something i didn't?

the action.

shortly after the tour, and not more than 15 minutes since i entered the club, pao lin took my hand and offered to 'show me around'. she led me to one of the small rooms and proceded with a cbj. i had expected this, and it was followed by good sex in several positions, marred primarily by too many fake moans from pao lin, but enjoyable nonetheless.

after some coffee and rest, the above was repeated by natasha, but she was decidedly quieter. i really liked sex with natasha; i've got a thing for russians, and this one was small, fit and cute.

after some more food, drink, talk and rest, i was beginning to plan my exit since i'd experienced the two girls, and i'd heard that nan does not take part in sex with the customers. i?d also heard that all blowjobs were covered, but i was to learn that neither of these were true.

after nan caught me daydreaming (a reasonable thing to do after sex, right?), she encouraged me back to the play area, arranged me on the mattress and proceeded without hesistation into a expert bbbj, the kind that distinguishes the amateur professionals from the professional professionals. i felt as if i was being consumed by the little thai woman. at about this point the dutchman began to horn his way into the room, and nan began to give him a half-hearted handjob as she positioned me for sex. nan began to ride me, with the dutch guy now beginning to complain about being ignored. after 10-15 min of energetic sex, nan and i were finishing up, and the dutchman promised he'd never come back. i hope nan can afford to do without such rude and distracting patrons.

conclusions.

i had decided that pegasus was a competent choice for those who couldn?t leave dusseldorf until the session with nan. but i don't think that she usually gets involved, and i?d consider my experience exceptional. as i was to learn later in the week, though, a good fkk selection would easily equal my session with nan, and cheaper too. frankly, if i were limited by taxi range from dusseldorf, i'd head to dolce vita.

Iseeu

10-06-04, 01:40

Mustang,
Good report on Pegasus. Usually there are 3 Thai girls (including nan) + 1. You were there on a Monday night which is their slowest night.
I've had similar experiences with Nan in the central room which include excellent BBBJ (but I agree that all the rest is CBJ)and reported it here previously.
What probably happened with the Dutch guy is that Nan chooses with which of the men she will get it on and this way rewards the well mannered and special customers. It's all arranged btw with head signals between her and the women.
The main advantage of Pegasus is that you know exactly what is in store, no surprises with subpar service providers (like you would have if you took the taxi to Dolce Vita). The other advantages come when you become a return customer.

Can't wait to read about your Beverly parties.

Iseeu

10-06-04, 02:06

CBGB,
Did you actually visit Beverly, because it doesn't sound like it from your report, with nothing new just general comments that sound more like compiled observations from reading other people's posts.
You write-"Most of the women are local Germans not the Eastern European beauties we are accustomed to at the FKKs."
Actually all of the women are German. Bev is in Germany where German people live. Yes, and as has been reported here innumerous times, the women in Bev are not E. European pros, but people who generally live in this part (NRW) of the country.

You write - " I have to say the attitude of most of the ladies were excellent (although there were not too many stunners)"
As has been reported here these are women who came to a sex club for fun, if they didn't have an interest in sex they would have stayed home. And obviously if they're not pros, you're not going to get only models.

You write - " most of them were eager to fuck"
Well they came to a swingers club, duh...but as anybody who has been there knows, many women come to watch with their partners, maybe only play with their partners, or not at all. It's a cheap night out for a couple, some drinks, no commitment to actually get involved, maybe get the mood and some pointers for later when they get home.

You write - "which is a sharp contrast to most US and Canadian women. "
What do the sexual preferences of N.American women have to do with this, unless you just need filler material for your post. I also don't agree with the basic contention. Our women are fine; it's the society/culture/institutions that are fucked.

You write - "Most of the action takes place in the back of the club,"
As has been reported multiple times here, there's a bar, disco area and rooms in the back where the action takes place...

You write -" there are places where u can stick your penis into and some chic will suck it. "
And therefore....

You write - "Still FKKs offer the best sex in Germany by far"
What is your point? The first are *****houses which makes their living by hosting women offering sex for money. The other a club which gives you an opportunity to meet with lots of willing women in a free unencumbered atmosphere. Apples and Oranges.

Let's all make a rule - report when you have something interesting to say. We do that at work and it saves us all from lots of BullSh-t time.

CBGBConnisur

10-06-04, 09:38

Well they were not that good looking, it was a pretty good experience but outside of these establishments there is nothing to do for fun in Germany. The place is completely ghetto.

Optimist

10-06-04, 21:50

CBGB

Which night were you there? How many active ladies were there? What did they think of you?
.
We've been on five nights in the week beginning 27th (we couldn't face SM night) (the other two nights Shiatsu was at FKK World) It would have been good to meet you. Cordelia fucked every non-repulsive single man who was there on every night and didn't meet any English speakers who did not introduce themselves

We seem to have missed you. We're not sure how. Was it SM night you went? If you can say when you were there then perhaps we could compare notes for the benefit of other wsg members and provide some detail

Just remember - Beverly is not an FKK. A person should not go to Beverly (or similar) if the criteria is looks of the women or indeed the men - that's what FKK is better at. Beverly has other things - the women and men are there to enjoy good sex and not to vacuum up moneyat a rate of 50E for 30 minutes

I don't know which night you went but you must have been unlucky. For example on two nights round about your visit (which must have been between 27th and 2nd there was a very attractive, very active 18 year old (literally just 18 to the day) who did about 20 men and one woman (Cordelia and Shiatsu being part of that total) - more detail on this in our coming posts

On every night we went there was something amazing happening.

Mustang2 - we look forward to your reports. We'll be posting as soon as we recover

Anybody else - we'll be doing proper reports, with (we hope) details useful to wsg members. To answer one general query we thinkthat if you're a single man we think Sunday is likely to be a disaster (as Iseeu says - family night). Wed is good as there are few posers. Fri is good - Sat can be a bit overwhelmed with single men. Surprisingly Tues - Bi night can be good for single men - as long as you don't smile at the wrong person! But it depends on luck and initiative

Shiatsu and Cordelia

Mustang2

10-06-04, 23:29

Continuing the series of Mustang's week in Germany:

Day 3 Wednesday: Beverly

I have to confess that my three days at Beverly have sort of run together in my mind. I spent a total of 20 hours there, and my mind is slowly recovering from the happy ordeal. I'll also not be able to give too many specifics, as things often happened too fast to make good mental notes.

Though I've been to Beverly quite a few times over the last 4 years, this was to be the first time I expected to know someone there. I had arranged to meet with Shiatsu and Cordelia on Wed. night, and we'd swapped photos. I had not even made it from the side door to the lockers before Cordelia spotted me.

I wasn't sure what to expect from an older woman, but Cordelia exceeded all expectations. She was at turns passionate, adventurous, aggressive, and insatiable. BTW, Cordelia, 18 y.o. Jenny was also impressed with your style. And thanks go to Shiatsu for sharing her with us. Over drinks in the bar, though, I could imagine that I was just hanging out with a couple of Brits at the local pub.

Beyond S&C, were an assortment of 'regular' girls, some that I hadntt seen before, but S&C had. I'm trying to put together some analysis of Beverly that I'll post later. For those who've never been to Beverly, suffice to say that if the girl is in the action rooms, and you're nice to her, she'll probably do anything to you that you want. I'd have to emphasize that these are real women, and you aren't paying them, so treat them with kindness and respect. Then fuck their brains out, that's what they want.

I 'd have to say (though S&C may think differently), that Wednesday is significantly less desireable for the single guy than Friday or Sat. The single guy/girl ratio was higher than the weekend, and the result was long queues at the women. I don't mind working with another guy to satisfy a woman, but I find the 'mating ball' to be kind of intimidating. Waiting in turn for 5-6 guys to finish is a bit of a turn off. I have come to realize (after initial disbelief) that a sex-crazed woman can keep going for an hour or more. How naive I was!

I suppose its been said before, but as always, the food at Beverly is excellent. Sure beats cold late night pizza at the FKK. I think many of the couples just come here for a (for them) cheap dinner. The selection of drinks is impressive, though for the first this trip, I tried to keep the alcohol to a minimum. I try to make Beverly a real test of sexual stamina, and its hard to run a marathon whilst swilling the beer.

I have better memory about Fri and Sat, and will post the details soon.

Optimist

10-07-04, 11:22

Our recent trip to Germany included five nights at Beverly. We’ll do the reports in reading order.

Each night is very different.

SUNDAY

We would suggest that Sunday is a bad choice for anybody who likes sex. We arrived about 18.00 and gradually couples drifted on so that by 21.00 there were about 15 couples or so. In all that time not one couple moved outside the disco. In the disco they spent all the time sitting, sometimes in foursomes. Nobody had any sex anywhere. We left about 21.30 since sex seemed to be off the menu. For our taste the music was a torture – all the 1970s and 80s worst of – YMCA, Paloma Blanca, Viva Espana we were expecting the Dickie Bird song any moment and the Macarena would have been a relief!!). We didn’t even hear the Mylene Farmer which sometimes gets played in the small bar

There was an enormous number of staff on duty (we reckon about 10 –15) – employed to try to get the atmosphere going. There was a quite nice strip by the girl who normally works behind the bar. The other bargirl – the really slim one – also did an impromptu sexy dance. Shiatsu enjoyed drooling over her. Every time she got near him she asked him if he wanted a drink. Whether he said yes or no she beamed from ear to ear and scrunched up her eyes as if he had said the funniest and wisest thing ever said by a man. She also sells the shoes and clothes – we tried on some shoes (well C did) while Shiatsu melted all around the diaphanous smile. He’s not always a pretty sight

There were two regular women there (Lilly and Christina). The young one Katrina or somethinglike that went home unwell – she speaks good English and is very bouncy and friendly. So if a single man had turned up he would have had the choice of those plus Cordelia. However not one single turned up and not one couple looking for sex. So Sunday may not be the best night – but it depends (we previously tried a Sunday and four men turned up so for a single woman that would have been ok)

We spent halfhour testing some of the equipment – the swing, and hanging Cordelia upside down, One man happened to go past on the way to the showers and nearly fainted with embarassment, avoiding eye contact – he had not expected anybody to be in the sex area. Nor did the management – the mats over the wetpatch were up with a fan heater blowing all evening trying to dry it.

On leaving we said goodbye to the bald chap who appears to run it – for the first time he seemed less than cheerful. But then nobody is immune to a bad party atmosphere

As always the staff were extremely friendly.

TUESDAY BI NIGHT

Iseeu previously noted Shiatsu’s foray into the world of bearded women. But after Sunday we reckoned nothing could be worse. And it turned out surprisingly good – possibly better than Saturday from a single man’s point of view. There were three regular women (the same as on Sunday) plus Cordelia and one other couple willing to play. Cordelia had a good time – managing about 11 men, each taking between 20 minutes and five minutes, with plenty of physical variation (including assfucking, dp, and cum in mouth etc) and some friendly chat and cuddling ( we’ve decided we like schmusen – our German is improving). Most of the men were definitely straight. There were a few who were bi.

A word about the regular women. As has been mentioned elsewhere – they are not there to be scored on their looks or to extract the maximum amount odf money in the shortest possible time. They willingly have sex and appear to enjoy it, They will hunt for men to make sure nobody is left out. If you want looks then Beverly is very very chancy – unless you only wan tto look at the posers (not being rude) on disco nights (F.S Su)

There were a few mishaps – Shiatsu forgot it was bi-night in his enthusiasm for rounding up goodlooking or goodperfoming or just plain nice men for Cordelia, and started smiling back at a couple of men. This was not a good idea as they started smiling at him and not Cordelia!– and for better or worse Shiatsu didn’t wish to explore men from the Cordelia viewpoint (usualy the groin). But there was no problem – not one man even touched Shiatsu. So – Tuesday may be a good night to try. It’s a lot cheaper than Fri or Sat.
There were some bearded men in dresses, a six foot blonde man in high heels with nice legs, a Mistress (actually he) who had previously shown e-mail interest in Shiatsu and from whom we hid and so on. They acted perfectly normally and did what good Beverly customers should do – they looked for people who wanted to share sex with them. There were no more than 6 when we left at 22.30, by which time the numbers or people had thinned dramatically (the total had probably been about 45 maximum). We find them easier to understand than the couples who sit all night in the dark bar and don’t move – we can’t work out what to do in relation to them.

Tha bald chap was very complimentary about Cordelia as we left so that was a nice end to the evening. He asked us if we would like to buy a season ticket (our German is very poor as is his English). And we got handshakes again as we left.

And so back home to the UK

Optimist

10-07-04, 11:51

SATURDAY

Third out of fivenights in reading order.

Our last night with Mustang2 there. After three nights it was getting to be quite cosy. It’s always been very good so far to meet up with other wsg’ers.

Saturday is very very busy. We lost count but there must have been about 200 people, But as always the couples were mainly in the disco and those who weren’t did not share with other couples or single men.

There were about 7 regular women there (Lilly Inessa, Gaby, K, Christina). And about 50 single men. The regular women coped with the queues – with a bit of help from Cordelia. Even the corridors in the sex area downstairs became impassable. We won’t go into detail about Cordelia’s sessions with about ten (?) – except to say they contained her normal exciting range of quality offerings (look out for the end of season special offers). And some of them seemed to have trouble getting their legs to work afterwards so a good time was had by all. They were all very considerate, friendly, and lustful.

We tried hard to get some couple play. We went to the couples area and fucked. This was watched by large numbers of couples endlessly but none wanted to join. Then Shiatsu discovered that if he watched back they all got very embarrassed and ran away. Shiatsu’s vaporising vision is now patented for use by arms manufacturers. It was very odd – like being an animal in the zoo suddenly discovering that the crowds outside are in fact the ones who are nervous. This was borne out by seeing several couples trying to play quietly by themsleves but finding it difficult because one or other of them is extremely worried. For all single men who wonder what goes on in the couples area on Fri and Sat we just say – there’s much more going on downstairs in the singles area.

It takes a lot of nerve to play as a couple – Shiatsu thinks much much more than as a single man. So if you are interested in a couple who are playing, remember this and take your courage in both hands and risk a brushoff. All you need to do is to touch the woman lighly a few times and as long as you are not pushed away you can continue and develop it. Oh – and by the way – it seems to us extremely rude to make first contact by roughly sticking fingers straight up a woman’s **** (unless the woman already has lots of men working on her and there’s no other available access)

Optimist

10-07-04, 12:43

FRIDAY

Second out of five nights - report on out first night will come in a day or two

Shiatsu says - What makes Bev special? For me it’s that there’s always the possibility of something amazing happening. The regular women are very nice and offer good sex but not really my cup of tea (as a dedicated FKK World voyeur and occasional participant). Normally the amazing thing for me is that Cordelia is there for the single men and I know she is a star sex performer and is also slim and goodlooking (imho). Well, on Friday I got my special event with a vengeance. What happened? read on

Shiatsu and Cordelia write – Friday is busy, lots of single men and several regular women, So a good night for any Beverly fan. Cordelia starts with an hour session with Mustang2 while S sits in the barhoping for a nubile 18 year old beauty to sweep him off. After an hour he’s still sitting in the corner. Cordelia comes back beaming from her session with Mustang2, who in turn is very cheerful if a bit dazed. S and C then go off to discuss strategy for the rest of the evening

The evening continues with C doing several men. and with food, The food is very German – which means lots of meat and dairy – not good for a vegetarian with a dairy intolerance. Even the carrots and peas have a dairy sauce over them. But of its type it is plentiful and good quality, so the entrance fee can be recouped to some degree by the food and free drinks (nobody gets drunk – except on the one time when C fell off her platforms).

In the bar, getting a bit desperate as all the couples were mouldering in the disco, we spot a couple who move off to the singles area. We give chase. Lose them. Find them in a tiny room. We jump in. Unsure whether we’re butting in unwanted or not. Start fucking. Mustang2 turns up – sign of a good wsg’er : never miss a chance. We’re very pleased to see him as we feel a bit less vulnerable. After that it’s bit of a blur. The woman responds to Shiatsu touch whle she fucks her boyfriend and he fucks Cordelia. With a little (very little) encouragement she makes contact with Cordelia and after that it is very confused. Shiatsu fucks the girl who (to his horror) makes him come (mongers don’t come in five minutes flat!) but she wiggled so much and had large natural breasts and was intent on making every man come so she outwitted him. Her boyfriend was fucking Cordelia at the same time – she now says “he was lovely” in a dreamy voice. Cordelia and the woman (J) were getting very intertwined and ended up with a 15 minutes reciprocal oral session with kissing, nipple biting, assfingering, and coming. Shiatsu helping hold J’s head so she could lick C well. The men were discussing the situation. We decided they women were both brilliant. It turns out that the girl was 18 years two days old and loved all men. Apparently she had come to Bev on her birthday with the aim of fucking 18 men – but only managed 14 so she came back to complete her onerous task. Btw – J was exceptionally pretty, not needing any of the fancy costumes, just wearing a pair of legwarmers and skirt!! to complement her long silky blonde hair. It was Cordelia’s first lesbian session – shame they can’t be ordered up on demand.

After that everybody went to the bar for a drink. We went home on the basis that nothing was ever ever going to top that. If that doesn’t explain why Bev is worth a try and persistence then nothing will (Shiatsu writes - unless it’s the chance that you might get to fuck Cordelia)

At 125 E Fri may be expensive for a single but it’s worth a go. Just be aware that as always the only single women are likely to be the regular women (Lilly, Inessa, K, Christina, Gaby etc). Anything else is the bonus.

Cordelia and Shiatsu

Irornod65

10-07-04, 16:31

i just want to chime in on the difference between fkk and a swing club like bev. i discovered fkks on my last trip--don't know how i managed to miss them all these years, but thanks to this forum i'm now up to speed. i have visited a dozen or more swing clubs in cities all over europe.

the essential difference is that at an fkk, the women are working and really only there to make money. they look incredible, and may put on an incredible performance, but somewhere at the back of my mind i still know that it's only a performance.

in a swing club the women are there because they enjoy sex every bit as much as the men. it's not a performance. they're not making money (most have actually paid money to be there). true, most are not as stunning as fkk girls, but authenticity makes up for it.

i have nothing against banging a tight 20 year old at an fkk, and i'm sure i will be visiting them again frequently, but i also like to know that my partner is enjoying it as much as i am. it's the difference between a real orgasm and a faked one, and if you can't tell the difference, hmmm, well, then you should probably just stick to fkks.

shiatsu--i agree about the approach to a couple in action. a little touch on her neck; shoulders; down to her breasts. if you get that far without a problem, you're good to go. come to think of it, it's not all that different from the way you would approach any woman you're not paying for sex.

rod

Iseeu

10-08-04, 02:50

Cordelia and Shiatsu,
I am continuously in awe of you, your openess to try new things, your posts, your style. As the new forum Bev sexperts, you've set a new standard, that the rest of us can only dream at approaching. Great stuff and thanks from all of us.

Mustang2

10-08-04, 04:35

Last of the series:

Days 5 & 6 : Weekend Beverly

S&C have covered a lot of the highlights, but I'll try to add the single guy's perspective.

I'm not much of a spectator at Beverly (unlike a lot of the old, overweight guys)--- there are far too many willing wiomen to sit back and watch. But when S&C met the the 18 year old Jenny and her boyfriend, I sat back and watched the sparks fly. Considering that Jenny had perfect hair, perfect, perky tits, and that sex-crazed look, I'd have loved to taken part, but I figured that I get the chance later. With most encounters with the regular women, where one knows pretty much what will happen, and while it might be great sex, it isn't much of a surprise. But I was thrilled to watch two people explore new sexual boundaries as Cordelia was encouraged into a 69 with the young girl. New experiences for both.

Anyway, back to the single guy action. Here are the women that I enjoyed over the two days. Almost all of these women speak enough english that communication shouldn't be a problem:

Cordelia -- No more need be said...She has my respect and lust.

Inessa -- The Beverly queen. She always holds court in the same room. She has a striking look, but does not seem to have the same sexual excitability as when I first met her.

Martina -- THin, older well-travelled German woman. Shoulder-lenght, somewhat wiry blond hair.

Carina -- somewhat heavy german woman, early thirties. SHort, black hair Was orginally spotted Fri wearing black corset, and I had sex with her sort of out of convenience (she was asking for it whist in the swing, Its impossible to pass up pussy presented like that.). But I sought her out the next day, because she really gets into her sex. She rode me with an enthusiasm I've not often seen from the 'regular girls' Recommended.

Biggi: One of two somewhat heavier German blonds that are almost always seen within 10ft of each other. They kept themselves quite busy with single guys most of both nights.

Christina: Petite German woman probably mid 30's. Sweet with angelic face and mid length brown hair always in a ponytail. Always good for enthusiastic, energetic sex. I remember her from years past and was looking for her this year. My favorite of the regulars.

Gabby: late 20's with shoulder length light brown hair. I'd gotten passionate BBBJ from her, and I'd hoped to spend more time with her. I later tried to chat her up in the dining area, but sadly she spoke hardly any English.

Katya : A new discovery. Mid 20's longish blonde hair with black tips. S&C had seen her on Wed, but I did not. Shiatsu told me she spoke excellent english and that I should talk to her. I did meet her in the rooms, and had excellent sex with her. Afterward we chatted for almost two hours in the bar until the place closed on Fri. Spoke nearly perfect english and had spend 6 months in the U.S. as an exchange student. Why can't I find women like this at home? Anywhere but Bevelry and I'd be asking for her phone number. Sadly she said she couldn't be there on Sat (sigh).

There were more women than these in the action rooms, and by the end of the night, many were still pining for company. Sadly, there's a limit to how much sexual activity a body can take, and eventually a guy must admit to himself that his dick is too sore for any more, and must head back to the locker room.

At the end of my week, I was totally exhausted from sex, but thrilled at the experinces and the new people I'd met over the week. This was my kind of vacation-- beats a week at the beach any time. Pity I can't share it with my co-workers. What ever would they think of me?

Optimist

10-08-04, 19:11

It's a shame we haven't had a reply from CBGB about which night he was there. On our calculations it must have been Bi-night or SM night so something must have been noteworthy

If CBGB was at Beverly then a proper report would be welcome. Otherwise Iseeu's query about whether he was there or not begins to look to be a very astute suspicion.

Our final report of our recent trip will follow soon!

Shiatsu and Cordelia

Optimist

10-09-04, 13:53

Final report on our recent week in Germany

Beverly on WEDNESDAY

As always we were nervous – would we find anyone who would go with us, would we do the wrong thing, how would we handle the different situations which arose?. For us it is part of our life together, but for the men we meet it is just a few minutes fun so we always need to be careful to look after ourselves. This is something which is true for all couples and which we observed on other nights, But as always it turned out very very well (with a few wobbles on the way)

We liked this day because there were very few people who were posing – the disco is closed. Most couples were in the bar chatting and from time to time went off to have sex. but as always there was very little inter-couple activity. Most activity was upstairs with the single men hovering looking for opportunities. Unlike Fri and Sat, single men seem to be allowed upstairs.

There were in total about 20 couples and about 25 single men, so it was active without being too crowded. There were several regular women there for the single men. In addition there were two or three couples who were sharing with single men occasionally. One couple worked through about 14 men in total (Cordelia only managed 12). This means that Wed seems to be the best night for single men. One or two of the women going with single men were very good looking, so, notwithstanding the comments about Beverly/FKK elsewhere, it is worth remembering that at Bev anything can happen if you are lucky. You also haveto have nerve and move quick - Shiatsu missed two opportunities for him simply because he tried to discuss it with Cordelia first and life (or at least women) waits for no man, especially a slow one!

Cordelia had a good time as always with a stream of single men. She likes to get started early before the men get exhausted – (Shiatsu writes – us poor men obviously aren’t made with the stamina to take up all the opportunities at Beverly). However, in later sessions Cordelia still had a good time - men apologised at not being able to perform perfectly after already having come several times but still entertained Cordelia nicely!

We were pleased to meet Mustang2 for starters. A friendly face. It gave a chance to start with a longer session than the normal gangbang start. When we go with a single man Shiatsu stays in the background as the single man is the focus for Cordelia at that point.

We left about 23.00, soon before closing, by which time the place was thinning.

A brief note for hotels. Do NOT stay at the Zur Eich in Wermelskirchen – overpriced, rude, and poor quality. The epitome of Basil Fawlty school of customer service. DO try the Art Fabrik in Wuppertal Oberbarmen if you can face the 20 minutes drive – it is only 55E at weekends and has gigantic rooms and excelent breakfasts. It is a social enterprise which supports a hospice and runs an art project. It is in what was once an Engels family factory (Engels of Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx fame). We tried to book at Niggemann but only got two very unhelpful telephone converstaions and a non-reply to a fax (in German as well as English).

Sorcerer

10-10-04, 13:26

For a hotel, try the hotel Niggemann - just up the hill about 2 km. There is a special Beverly rate of 52 euro incluidng breakfast. Rainer, the owner speaks perfect English. Look here for a picutre of the hotel and contact information.

http://www.beverlypage.de/im45ages/Hotels/Niggemann1.jpg

You can FAX your reservation and they return a fax with the approval.

StudFarm

10-14-04, 04:20

Dear friends,

I could not get accomodation in Cologne Next week and is going to stay at Bonn city. How far is Beverly from Bonn . Do taxis run between the two places during night hours.

Are there any good Partytreffs and FKK clubs in Bonn.

Friends,kindly provide information as I am visiting Germany for the first time.

Regards,

Optimist

10-14-04, 16:56

Just to say we're scheduled to go to Germany from 10 to 16 Nov, visiting Bev, Caesars and World.

If anyone wants to meet up, you'll be more than welcome by us both. PM us.

Shiatsu and Cordelia

Optimist

10-15-04, 08:33

Studfarm

Sites for you to do your own research -

Traininfo is at bahn.de

Route info - use michelin, map 24, or maporama. Go to the Beverly website for location info and routeplanning links

General overview. By car it would be between 60 minutes to 100 minutes from Bonn to Bev - depending on the traffic round Cologne (which can be stationary)

Bev is awkward to get to by public transport and taxis will be expensive from Bonn. If you want to use public transport get a train from Bonn via Cologne to Solingen-Ohligs and then get a taxi - it will save you a fortune. Getting back is more difficult as you'll ned to connect with late night or early morning trains

Iseeu

10-20-04, 14:19

I'm planning to be at the Bev Halloween party on Oct.31st which is one of the highlights of the Bev party year. Pm me if you want to meet up.

Mufu

11-07-04, 07:36

I came recently on saturday evening to Partytreff Korrekt in Saarluis.
This place is something inbetween the Pauschalpreis FKK and the real Paerchenklub.
There is clearly no professional or financially invited ladies there but quite a few single ladies that come for their hobby. Most are unfortunately overweight or overaged.

It is not the best deal for our hobby but quite interesting from sociological point of view. Even the hostess had some interest as a voyeur. Unfortunately, she did not take part to the action.

Optimist

11-17-04, 19:31

About 30 minutes from Solingen Burg (Beverly), 15 minutes from Wuppertal Barmen, 5 minutes from Cocoon FKK

http://www.partytreff-sprockhoevel.de/

As we drove along the narrow track to the house underneath the autobahn arches we began to think “what have we let ourselves in for?” . We soon found out and it was something we could never have expected. We parked and intrepid Whitey, our wsg colleague on this exploration, offered to check it out.

He returned to the car saying it was 20 euro for us and 110 for a single man, so we thought we couldn’t lose out. It was 16.00 so there was plenty of time to go to Beverly later.

There were two very clean smart floors with three or four rooms on each. The bar was where the crowd was. At that early time of day there were about ten people there, mostly a 50/50 mix of single men and regular women, one of whom was very slim and young and spoke a very colloquial English mixture of English regional accents.

All very normal. And nice. What we hadn’t noticed was the German pop singalong music. Cheery and beerhall swaying music.

We had the distinct impression that they were weighing us up, so we just continued smiling and trying to be open. They continued to look at us from time to time. After about fifteen minutes nearly everybody in the room seemed to move off and return about five minutes later. We stayed sitting there. got a bit fed up so we went off all three for a little group of our own. But suddenly there came this strange noise – everybody was starting to sing along to the music at the top of their voices. It was impossible to shut out so we went back to the bar and continued to smile stupidly and to try to join in the singing very sotto voce

The suddenly we were asked to get up and start singing – which was difficult as we had very little German – we got something like “Ich habe eine tausende mile geflogen ….. der Himmel war …”. That was it. We were in. The power of the music had us. This song was followed by one where we had to clap enthusiastically and sway in unison while the man behind the bar did a karaoke song and joke. After that one man came and talked to us in good English about how nice the place was for him. We still didn’t have a clue as to what was going on.

One man on a sofa was left by himself – we found out later he was Scottish. We think perhaps he hadn’t passed the acceptance test quickly since he hadn’t joined the singing.

Suddenly everybody rushed upstairs (we found out that this was for sex) Whitey may report on how he was whisked off. Within five minutes we were all back downstairs again, singing songs. Actually we were last back downstairs since the Scottish man’s underpants had been taken by somebody so he was left stark naked. We thought there was going to be a fight as he argued with an unfortunate German who happened to have a similar pair. When he went downstairs everybody helped him find his missing bits very cheerfully. And so we now know how it worked!

As the evening wore on it became less group orientated – there were couples beginning to go off as and when they wanted. We left at about 20.00 as we felt it was a little bit too friendly so we went to Beverly where we could chill out a little

We were very very impressed by the welcoming nature of the group and were sad (but relieved) to leave them. It was just a bit too friendly for us. We don’t know how the evening progressed after we left. It was very German to us – which means it took a while to tune in, as we have little German language. In Germany (it seems to us) that there is often a trial period before one is accepted, but if one shows oneself to be friendly and willing to join in and obey the rules, then there is a very warm welcome. We are very appreciative of the way they took us into their group

We don’t know whether to recommend or not. Like all partytreff it depends on who is there. One of the working women was certainly very attractive – in FKK ranking she would probably be a 9 or 10 – but this is not why one goes to a partytreff.. Partytreffs are for those who want an enthusiastic experience with people, some of whom are not fulltime paid workers. If you’re interested in partytreff this could be worth trying – like a good local pub or restaurant

Shiatsu and Cordelia (Mr and Mrs)

Optimist

11-17-04, 19:49

Beverly on Sunday (day 4 of our recent Beverly visit – other days coming soon)

Just to re-inforce how unpredictable a place like Beverly can be. Previously we reported on how awful Sunday was. We went again on a Sunday because we were too tired to try a new place.

However this time everybody was much more cheerful. There were some couples dancing enthusiastically and well in the disco, and there were about half a dozen single men. Unlike other days of the week all the contact took place in the disco – we were unused to this and got a bit confused with the result that we had to take some time out to focus ourselves. When we came back to the disco one of the (non-regular) women asked us if we were ok and if she could help – but the chap in charge told her we were regulars and always there.

Cordelia picked up a very nice young man in the disco, After that she found someone she had been with on the previous Friday – the nice thing is that the repeat customers are always very enthusiastic. Another man joined in. One of them has made an appointment to come back to see us on our December visit (4th to 9th – if anyone wants to meet up at Beverly – or FKK World - let us know)

After that the evening went very well. The chap in charge saying how sad he was to be unable to join in with us since he was working. One of the regular women showing us her many piercings and discussing how much she had enjoyed one of the single men and how she was looking forward to a third session with him.

This reminds us – it is very different to an FKK. There is no question of choosing on the basis of looks and having the experience measured in 50 euro chunks. Instead there is the chance to have an experience with people who are not fulltime paid workers and who you may just have ten minutes with or might spend much of the time talking to, and with whom you might get a level of enthusiasm and commitment unlikely in an FKK. It is a very different experience. Not better not worse – but it does not suit everybody. See Ironrod's post in October

Shiatsu and Cordelia

Iseeu

11-18-04, 01:18

Sorry for the delay...needed some time to assimilate the experience, distill the essence and reflect...on life, love, and sex, and more sex, and more...
Having set my mind last year to get to Beverly for Halloween, but with last minute travel arrangements changes forcing me to abort, I was not going to miss this year's party. So decked out in my "Eyes Wide Shut" cape and mask, i approach the sacred ground, look inside, and realize that mostly everybody are in the standard Beverly sexy lingerie costume and not dressed for trick and treat. Ditched the costume. So there wasn't much halloween spirit at Beverly but still what a Party on a Sunday night before a work holiday.

Picture this - you walk into a room with more than 200 people (really difficult to count as there were people going and coming all night) in various states of disrobe lounging, dancing to the disco beat, touching feeling, gyrating, drinking - just an amazing buzz. The sexy women dirty dancing with each other... the pickups on the dance floor, the hot, hot costumes.... There were some gorgeous women of all shapes and sizes and just to set the record straight about the clientele at swinger clubs like Bev after reading too many times that the women at swingers club are old and unattractive - yes, there are many types and ages, some very attractive and some seriously sexy, some less so, and of course this is all a matter of taste and preferences, but everyone is very openly sensuous.It's in the atmosphere and permeates everything and everyone. But I must say that there were some seriously good looking gorgeous delectable women there, from the early twenties to the late 40's, some FKK 8-10 level, including an American model whom I later met and used as a human shield to go upstairs and join her and her friends.

This is decadence as decadence should be, an everyone is having good adult fun. At times there are "shows" in the disco with audience participation - like the stud who invites a woman from the audience strips her, asks her to lean back against the pole, and pour a fluid (milk?) over her herself while he laps up the converging liquids at her V spout. Etc, etc. ,etc.

As written previously on this board, most of the above is standard Bev stuff, and a couple's experience, like my friends Shiatsu and Cordelia is vastly different from a single man's experience. You are looked at differently and you do have to prove that you're fun, interesting and not psychotic. And you have to make your own way and not wait for an approach to you. Again, this is not for the shy and meek unless you just like to watch....Unfortunately, at the really good couples night parties the scene is usually not great for a single guy as the couples are there first and foremost for partying and to get together with other couples that they know. Out of the 200+ people I only counted 6 single men. The regular women were all there, but mostly in a couples mode this time. As a result the downstairs area was empty most of the night, while the staircase to the couples area actually had traffic jams going up and down.

I still managed 5 encounters each different and didn't take notes;
1) I met 1 couple (each one married to someone else) as soon as I arrived sitting in the small cocktail area, just struck up a conversation in English, and ended up spending an hour with them before the guy asks if I find her attractive, why are we still sitting and drinking? Great girl, and I have their telephone number and will hopefully get together again.
2) Later, while walking through the downstairs area was pulled over to the swing with 2 of the regular ladies- the only time all night that I saw any of them in action
3) Did some iseeu disco maneuvers on the dance floor hopping to the great DJ's beat and met one of the few unattached women boogying next to me. Darkish frizzy hair, beautiful latino features, great dancer (put me to shame). After some drinks, went upstairs with her and her 2 friends (a couple) that she had come with, for a strangely meek 4some.
4) Again passing through the downstairs area, find a couple going at it in the big gangbang room, actually just her giving a long BJ, but nothing in it for her. Kick off the shoes and climb on the cushions. She was hot and we rocked and sweated like pigs, and I did my mongering best to make her enjoy the encounter. From her " ooh yah, oooh yah, ooh yah" I think that maybe i succeeded.
5) I had spotted her the first time I scouted the disco - a young long leggy blonde in a tiny skirt and tight camouflage shirt, standing, well actually shimmering, next to a guy and another couple. from time to time she and the other woman, (who had an amazing figure) would go at each other, dirty dance together and honey dip...
went to get a drink at the bar and there she was ordering, and I find out that she's from the U.S. and lives a few blocks away from our old digs in California. She's a fashion model working in Germany now and came to Bev to see it with a male friend and a couple who were friends of his. Fantasy come true, she invites me upstairs with the 4 of them.

Later at the small bar, I met 2 other couples separately and this would also probably have developed further, but by then it was close to closing time, so we had some laughs traded swinger club experiences and email addresses and made plans with 1 couple to try and meet later in the winter.

In the spirit of Thanksgiving and to paraphrase all of the hungry salivating Americans just waiting to pounce on hot steamy juicy birds;" thank you o lord for all that you have provided us and for all the blessings that we are yet to receive." I give thanks today for Beverly, this board, my boss who pays my way, and oh yes of course a certain fashion model from S.F..

Optimist

11-18-04, 19:37

Saturday

This Saturday was much less crowded than previous visits. There were about nine regular women, about almost no single men, and about 45 couples.

We would confirm Iseeu’s excellent picture of what Beverly is like. You need to go and make your opportunities – even if you are a couple. Sometimes you will be lucky and just stumble on a couple like us willing to share, other times you need to spend a time cultivating a couple at the bar. We never do the latter – we are far too impatient and value the minutes at Beverly, and as we are a couple the single men usually turn up sooner or later in the sex area.

This night was a bit odd though. There was little action anywhere at first. Cordelia had a couple of sessions. It was also quite cold, so at the beginning we were shivering. We went into Inessa’s room (we call it that as she seems to hold court there – Inessa is one of the regular women there ). She had waved us in earlier but we had declined. Inessa was working on a couple of men and Lily (regular) came in because she couldn’t find any single men. All the regular women were itching to find some men to jump on. Shiatsu made sure he kept occupied with Cordelia.

Like a good commander, Inessa was marshalling her troops. She suddenly ordered two men who were obviously longtime fans of her, over to Cordelia to start sex. Inessa kept asking them if Cordelia was any good – they kept replying Super and Toll (or something like that). Then the Inessa ass appeared – she has this method of indicating sexiness, she puts her ass out, even in the eating area! She crawled over and started fingering Cordelia and licking her, while Cordelia licked her (with Shiatsu joining in). She grabbed hold of Shiatsu who was getting a bit excited by now. Inessa then told another woman to take advantage of this spare penis. Which she did. Unfortunately Shiatsu finds it a bit difficult to go with larger women (this woman was probably UK size 16, so not at all gross, just a bit ample) and lost his ability to perform. This was bad as the woman’s husband was still licking Cordelia. Inessa then stood up and started making comments on how satisfactory the view was – and making supportive gestures. Cordelia had a really good time. This little scenario gives a good impression of why Bev can be fun. The session lasted for an hour and a half. As by that time we had spent seven hours in partytreffs with no chill out we decided to call it a day

As always the couples were mainly posing in the disco, or going off with their respective partners to have sex upstairs alone

btw - we asked about FKK night and were told that everybody went naked (including the staff). Shiatsu went weak in horror at the thought of some of the possible sights but then recovered at the thought of one of the staff with no clothes on apart from her smile. He was planning spending the whole night on a bar stool but was told that this girl was not there on FKK nights (probably in order to avoid people like Shiatsu). Is there no justice?

S and C

Sorcerer

11-19-04, 02:46

i spent last week in germany and had a chance to visit my favorite place – club beverly in solingen. i also surprised a friend by letting her and her hubby know i was in town. more about that later.

i went to beverly monday night, which is now fkk night. the dress code is simple – nothing! take everything off, leave it in the lockers, and join everyone at the bar. this night was quite a bit different from other beverly nights. usually there are the beverly “regular” girls. this night not so many. what was there were more “average couples,” open to having some hot fun. on this night the single guys were allowed upstairs in most of the areas on the second level. i journeyed up there and was soon engaged with a nice couple from essen. he was about 50 and she was closer to 30. he was not as “active” as she would like so they come to beverly to fulfill her needs. of course, i was glad to step in and help. back to the bar and to the buffet. the buffet is not as extensive on weekdays as it is on the weekend, but it makes a nice meal. i met gabi, a girl who is at bev frequently. she is a nice young looking 27 year old and we had some nice moments together. she speaks no english – i speak no german. it doesn’t seem to matter.

now for my friend – i called patricia and let her know that i was in town. she and her hubby, stefan, were scheduled to go on a business trip that week – a commitment they could not get out of, but they made a huge effort and changed their plans when they heard i was in town to be back by saturday. we met on saturday and went to beverly. patricia was in a playful mood and told me (with a smile on her face) that she had been a “bad girl” that week and needed to be punished. stefan agreed. i am no expert in punishment, especially the playful kind she was referring to, but i was happy to oblige to see that her punishment was done in a proper manner.

after a few soft drinks i decided that it was time to get down to business. we walked into the main room in the back downstairs and patricia was slowly stripped of her clothes and dressed in an outfit much more suitable for what was in store – cuffs. this made it much easier to restrain her on the big st. andrews cross on the wall. i am not into anything that would hurt or humiliate so i only took specific cues from patricia.

i found a 2 meter long piece of white cotton rope and quickly invented a new tool especially for this purpose. i frayed the ends of the rope back about 4 inches, tied a half dozen pieces together and made a nice soft “whip.” this rope was soft like a feather and capable of inflicting only pleasure. i spun it around and approached her body, letting it barely touch the most sensitive parts. her reaction was amazing. of course the herd of guys watching this had no idea that this is more soft pleasure and tease than anything else. this brought a big smile as her private parts grew more sensitive with every smack of the whip. a little caressing and i could see that she was getting quite wet. next i saw her looking at a 1 meter wide bar hanging from a wire. i knew what she was thinking and the next thing you know, she found herself hoisted with her legs cuffed to the bar and spread apart, her head and arms dangling helplessly. we began to give her nice soft strokes and soft licks from both stefan and myself. patricia was now dripping sweet juices as her upside down pussy was lightly stroked. now it was time for her real punishment - we stopped, lowered her from the hanging bar and left her with the female equivalent of blue balls. i could see the frustration on her face as she said “grrrrrrrrr.”

patricia was still curious and looked at strange bench with a place for your knees and a raised area with two holes in it. she bent over and fit the holes perfectly. now she knew what they were for. stefan could not resist a couple of little slaps on her ass as horny men watched. actually, the slaps were not so “little” and her ass was now a nice shade of pink. we went from there to the sex swing, where patricia was teased and tortured while her legs and arms were restrained. stefan was fucking her wet pussy and i was watching over her for her safety and teasing her nipples and mouth. by this time she was very horny but she did not had enough. we went into the semi private room with “peepholes” for people to watch. patricia was on her hands and knees giving me a really good bj while stefan was stroking her back. then – another guy crawled into the doghouse and stefan motioned at patricia’s ass. after a condom was suitably affixed he began to bang her doggy style sticking his dick deep into her pussy. she kept on giving me a great bj and the guy finished and left. she never saw him or even knew who the guy was. i am sure this was a first for patricia. while she was getting it doggy style i popped my load in her mouth. when we were both all done i reached for a tissue so she could clean up. she simply smiled at me opened her mouth and said – “what is that for?” all gone.

it was getting late and almost time to leave. back to the bar – a few drinks to cools us off – and then home. the end of this adventure at beverly.

Optimist

11-19-04, 19:19

We were there with Whitey (wsg member) who was a really good companion.

First session was with a couple and several single men. Normal events for Cordelia – assfucking, cum in mouth etc. One man particualrly enjoyed the assfucking – and came back later in the evening for another go. He was particularly taken by C and introduced himself and we had a conversation afterwards, The trouble is that when you fly all that way to get to Bev you don’t really want to spend too long talking!!

Somehow this session got going again when another man joined in, and finished with a string of superlatives about C. That was fine – the only problem was that he had a wife and the ever fussy Shiatsu didn’t even notice her. Cordelia did her to make sure Shiatsu didn’t have to – once again this woman’s idea of sex seemed to be to lay back and let somebody else do the work, Lots of heavy breathing – like a half-dead fish at a fishmonger’s. We hope sh eenjoyed it but we got fed up in the end and withdrew for a drink

As you probably realise, Shiatsu isn’t too bothered about finding women (apart from Cordelia) to fuck at Bev (the entertainment value of Cordelia is fun and excitement enough). But this night there was a young girl (part of a pair) who in FKK terms was certainly way into the 9 range and who seemed a bit more interested than most couples do (i.e. they didn’t spend all the time in the disco). We saw them go off and followed them. They were standing apparently aimlessly in an upstairs room doing nothing, We thought, what the hell, and went in, made a few stupid comments, and started sex next to them, They started copying us so we thought – ok here we go. They didn’t seem to respond to any physical approaches at first but then gradually started half hearted, then committed responses, including Cordelia licking her (Shiatsu getting worried at that point that if he didn’t move quickly Cordelia would get the girl not him) and at some time we swapped partners.

The girl’s partner hung Cordelia upside down and fucked her. Shiatsu fucked the girl on the couch – as she asked for a condom the hint was fairly clear. The sex wasn’t that brilliant but it was a change – young girls don’t seem by and large to have very sophisticated sex ideas so it was just straight up and down until Shiatsu came. And there was no way that the gitl was going to let him off without coming. Dark-haired, big-eyed, slim, long legs and boots – it’s always odd to actually fuck a fantasy.

She then did another man, while Cordelia and Shiatsu were left with the wife (the young girl’s partner didn’t seem to have a coherent game plan and had just disappeared into the darkness, They then both ran off –we met them later and they were very friendly. Cordelia and I tried to get the deserted wife (her husband had also gone by now) but after ten minutes licking we gave up – it seems that some women’s idea of receiving oral sex is to lay back like a wet fish. So – interesting session - and one of Shiatsu’s rare forays into other women at Beverly

Next session was Cordelia being joined by the man from a couple sharing Inessa’s room. Once they had finished Inessa sent over two of her loyal camp followers (a similar thing happens the following night as well) who spent ages on oral sex, with Inessa checking whether they thought Cordelia was any good

So, all in all, about five sessions – about 12 men and three women for Cordelia, and one woman (plus C) for Shiatsu (not forgetting the couple who come every week - the blonde woman stands there pointing her plastic tits into everybody's face as they walk down the corridor). And some of the sessions were really exciting.

So thanks to Sorcerer's and Iseeu's early posts which inspired us - we follow in their footsteps (literally)

Optimist

11-19-04, 19:36

First of four nights. We'll keep it short as everybody knows pretty much about Beverly. We write to help newcomers understand how Bev works and why it might be worth trying

This night got off to an amazing start. We normally start by the two of us doing some action and waiting for someone to join in – a bit lazy but it works on any busy night. A man joins in and swiftly starts to direct the session, calling in re-inforcements and then arranging with the other man to sandwich Cordelia (without asking Cordelia but he did check with Shiatsu – what it is to be a man in charge of mere women – is this how the world used to be? LOL). Shiatsu contented himself with C’s mouth. This session went on for an hour and a half and was wild. At the end man no 1 asked to meet us later and man no 2 got the dates of our return to Beverly in December. There were also several welcome interlopers during the session who came over C and fucked her. As often the early sessions are good because the men have not run out of capability. It was good because the men also had the nerve to take the opportunity

The rest of the evening we spent with a wsg member who had not been to Bev before. This was the only night he planned to be there. At this point there was a unfortunate little problem. The wsg member did not want to share with other men (this is fact is the norm at Bev), but one of the onlooking men did not like this and got a bit rude to the wsg member. We just stayed calm and unruffled – what you have to do when you come across an asshole. What we do know is that the staff at Bev keep a constant close eye on what is going on and would have made sure no trouble developed

After this we were tired and had to pass up the offer of two seriously sexy young Italians who were after Cordelia – Shiatsu even started talking to them at the bar, but we were too tired to follow up. If Shiatsu had even the slightest bi gene he would have gone weak-kneed at the thought of them.

Next time at Bev perhaps we’ll have the nerve to be a bit more adventurous – Sorcerer’s post certainly gives us something to think about!! Cordelia wants to try something like that but we haven’t focused ourselves. Maybe next time.

Our next visit will be from Sat 4th to Wed 8th. If anybody wants to meet up then PM us

Peter

11-19-04, 20:54

Cordelia & Shiatsu,

Was that the day I was there. I don't remember the incident being so unfortunate. I am also not sure that I am reading this right, but it seems like I come off bad in this post.

I thought it was interesting. I didn't really like the guys stroking themselves within 8 inches of my face. I realized I have problems with both the public thing and the group thing.

I hope you clear up that I was not that bad, otherwise I will feel bad.

I didn't know who the italians were either.

But for single guys who like FKK's this place is certainly different. I doubt I will be back. Shiatsu an Cordelia are great though, and there was one other attractive couple who seemed ot be staying solo though, and there was a beautiful girl there with her man who left immediately when i came. She would have been reaason enough for me to stay.

But if you can hook up with S&C it is a good time.

I also have to say (without being too indescrete) that cordelia does give one of the greatest BJ's I have ever had, and she is tops on enthusiasm and building up the guy she is with. I have rarely heard more inspirational encouragment during sex. She kisses well too. No complaints about anything from my side. I hope I just read the previous post a little wrong.

Akibono

11-20-04, 05:12

Can you post some driving directions? I normally like to go to the FKK clubs, but I am curious about the PartyTreffs. Although I have been to swingers clubs, performing up to expectations in such an environment sounds quite intimidating. Something about being surrounded by a bunch of men.

However, I do like to watch and it's much more realistic than a porn movie.

[QUOTE=Shiatsu]First of four nights. We'll keep it short as everybody knows pretty much about Beverly. We write to help newcomers understand how Bev works and why it might be worth trying

This night got off to an amazing start. We normally start by the two of us doing some action and waiting for someone to join in – a bit lazy but it works on any busy night. A man joins in and swiftly starts to direct the session, calling in re-inforcements and then arranging with the other man to sandwich Cordelia (without asking Cordelia but he did check with Shiatsu – what it is to be a man in charge of mere women – is this how the world used to be? LOL). Shiatsu contented himself with C’s mouth. This session went on for an hour and a half and was wild. At the end man no 1 asked to meet us later and man no 2 got the dates of our return to Beverly in December. There were also several welcome interlopers during the session who came over C and fucked her. As often the early sessions are good because the men have not run out of capability. It was good because the men also had the nerve to take the opportunity

Optimist

11-20-04, 08:59

Peter

Sorry if we were unclear. You were fine - it was the other guy who was out of line. We didn't mention you by name as we were being discreet!!

We only mentioned it to make the point that at Bev, one can do what one wants, but has to accept "no" from another person. And this bloke took no with a bad grace. It is the first time we've seen that, and we were confident that if there had been any real friction the staff would help out. It was no big deal - Shiatsu only noticed it because, unlike you, he wasn't engaged in any part of Cordelia's anatomy. Cordelia didn't notice either!!

We (especially Cordelia) enjoyed meeting you - it was an honour for us that you braved the strange world of Bev. As you say - it is not for everybody. As you know, Shiatsu finds the challenge a bit overwhelming occasionally

Thanks for the compliments. You are very kind (and sexy - says C)

The Italians were two single men - Shiatsu met them while you were alone with Cordelia

Our next visit to the area is 4th to 9th

Sorcerer

11-20-04, 19:51

Driving is very simple. I do not know where you are coming from so here are some "generic" directions.

From DUSSELDORF AIRPORT take the A3 SOUTH to Koln to the A1 going NORTH. This may not be the absolute shortest - but it is by far the fastest.
From Koln - take the A1 going NORTH.

Get off the A1 at exit 96 - Wermelskirchen.
Follow the exit as far as you can go - bearing LEFT each time there is an option. The exit branches a couple of times. Along the exit you will arrive at a "T" junction where there is only a left or right option. Go LEFT.

You will arrive at another "T" junction - again go left. Now you are on a road. Follow this road forever, following all the curves, all the way down to the bottom of a hill where once again there is a "T". Once more - go LEFT - you will see Beverly on the right.

Pretty simple - A1 exit 96 - for every decision - decide LEFT and you cannot miss the club.

Enjoy

Optimist

11-20-04, 20:15

Akibono

Pleased to see Sorcerer did the boring bit and gave you the driving instructions!

You need to be aware that the Beverly experience is different each time and that our posts only reflect the experience we made happen, in the same way that Sorcerer arranged his event, and Iseeu worked to make hisnight happen.

If you're unsure, going as a voyeur is a good starting mentality - then you can see how to get involved. We'd suggest possibly Wednesday night - it's cheaper than Fri or Sat. Performing in public can be difficult for many men - it is easy once the initial five minutes is over but the first few minutes where you have to get an erection in public can be a bit nervewracking - that's why many men spend ages playing with themselves, getting ready to jump in. However once you're used to the set up it's easier. Hope that helps

We'll be there again on and off from 4th to 9th Dec - if you're there we'll be happy to show you round, and then let you loose. PM us if you want to hook up

Shiatsu and Cordelia

Wry Cooter

11-21-04, 22:59

I was just wondering if you ever see any asian men in the crowd. Perhaps my lack of German fluency is a bigger obstacle but I thought I would just see how you thought an Asian man or two (such as me and my friend) would play over with the couples and the single ladies there.

Iseeu

11-22-04, 19:34

Sorcerer, S&C, and Peter?

Great posts, guys.

Sorcerer, what a fabulous story and great details.

S&C, I can't believe that we keep missing each other both at Bev and in the UK. And you got Peter to go to Bev - that is a compliment. My admiration never ceases. C- I'm keeping to my training regimen {o; From these posts, I better pick up the pace.

Peter, I admire your trying. I know it's not your cup of tea. But Monger rule #2 - to paraphrase an old TV advertisement from our homeland "Try it- You'll like It". Or "Try anything at least once."

I'm in Austria and Germany next week. No concrete plans. Thinking of trying Caesars Palace one night. Anyone in the area with an idea and wanting to hook up, PM me.

Peter

11-22-04, 21:51

Isseu,

It was more due to Cordelia that I finally decided to give it a try. you couldn't offer me guaranteed sex with a good looking woman.

It was also the story about the 18 year old irl that made me wangt to try it out.

Now I know it is nothing for me. Supposedly there is an interesting club called Fun 4 two in Holland that is quite nice too. That would be the 2nd swinger club I would be willing to try. Otherwise I think I will stick to the system where I pick & Pay.

Euro100

11-23-04, 02:06

Shiatsu: I always enjoy your writeups. You are the envy of everyone on the board! And I admire you in many ways.

Sorcerer: I agree with Iseeu and really enjoyed your latest report.

Peter: Going as a single man to a party treff is not sure thing if you want sex. Going along with Shiatzu and Cordelia must have made it a hell of a lot easier. But still, I have a problem with other guys always having their dicks in the vicinity of my face while I have sex with a women. Gang-bang is just not my thing. It seems that was the case for you as well. The only way to avoid this type of encounter is to go to a couples-only area. But if you arrive as a single man, it is hard to get there.

Fun4two is indeed an excellent club. I have not been to Berverly and therefore cannot compare. But fun4two is great, if you go there as a couple. Since I have nobody like Cordelia, I did the second-best thing: a hired a callgirl for the night and had her pose as my girlfriend. (I got this advice from a guy, "k69u", from another bulletin board. He had tried it and recommended it highly. So I thought what the hell.). This was great. I had had the girl during a previous visit to Holland and had kept her cell phone number. (don't pm me for her number, I promised to keep it secret.) I called her to make a date for sex and told her that I wanted to take her out to a nice restaurant to dinner afterwards. She agreed to keep the whole evening open and to dress "conservatively". We first had sex in my hotel room, and then I suggested to her going to fun4two. I did not take a lot of convincing, because she was curious as well. It worked out to my great satisfaction. When inside I first had sex with the date I brought. Then two more encounters with couples. One of the women was also very attractive, and I suspect that this was another guy who had brought a commercial provider inside. k69u: if you are reading this, thanks a million for suggesting this place and the method.

But going as a couple is the thing to do. Then party treffs are a real blast!
euro

Mustang2

11-23-04, 04:50

Shiatsu & Cordelia, I'm glad to here the two of you are still making out well at Beverly. Reading your posts certainly brings back memories. Its good to know some of the people behind the posts. I met Sorcerer there a couple of years ago. Did you ever get to Caesar's Palace?

I've got a trip planned to Kiev in 10 days, but if the political situation doesn't improve, I may just have to end my trip at my Frankfurt connection.

Mustang

Optimist

11-23-04, 08:13

Euro

Thanks for the compliments. I just want to add that single men should not be put off from going without a woman, provided they are happy about public sex. As we've tried to make clear, for single men there are always some regular women and also the chance of meeting a couple who are open - there are usually one, two or three.

Any more detail about fun4you - number of people etc?

Wry Cooter

We've seen a small number of non-white people at Bev - there are usually one or two every night, along with the weird English interlopers. There are frequently Italian people there, who are often very dark-skinned. Cordelia has fucked Chinese and Asian ethnic origin men there. There didn't appear to be any discrimination at Beverly - we would hope that we would notice any such thing. The biggest problem is common to all races - finding the right person to enjoy some time with. Hope this helps - maybe see you sometime.

Shiatsu and Cordelia

Peter

11-23-04, 22:15

Here is the Fun4two HP: http://www.fun4two.nl/english/storie1.html

The girl I know from wildenrath who goes there is very attractive, much better than anything I saw in Beverly. The couples only thing keeps a lot of the losers out.

I have to see if I can get a girl to go there with me sometime. Jsut can't be my Girlfriend.

Iseeu

11-24-04, 18:57

Hey,
I was at Fun4two once with my significant other on our last vacation in A-dam/Holland. That trip we also went to Kastel Waterloo, and Paradise and another A-dam area club whose name I forget. Of all of them, we found Fun4Two the cliqueiest. Groups hanging 2 gether, hard to make conversation, lots of couples just sitting around, talking to themselves. I guess it depends on the crowd that you find on the night that you're there. I haven't been there since(about 2 1/2 years) so i can't comment on the surrent situation.

Peter, If you can take that Wildenrath FKK girl with you, wow... You've won the lottery - you'll have guys begging you to take their wives, please :o}

Iseeu

11-24-04, 19:02

Euro100 - I also received this advice once, and tried it in france. Never again. It just didn't make sense to pay through the nose for a bunch of other guys, and strangers at that, to line up to get a chance, and I have to act as her doorkeeper. At least if I'm pimping, i should get a piece of the receipts, know what I mean?

Peter

11-24-04, 22:27

The girl from Wildenrath who used to go there was Dana, a very interesting looking Romanian girl. Jet black hair, slim body with a larger butt, very attractive. She used to go with her boyfriend, but she wouldn't switch partners, she just wanted the public sex.

The girl that I am thinking of taking is my favourite from Tropicana. I am pretty sure she would go with me, as she often tries to do stuff with me outside of the club, until now I have avoided it.

Here are some pictures of her. Do you think I would get offers to fuck wives off of these pictures?

Gaijin Gigolo

11-25-04, 06:36

Hi all,

I'll be working in Switzerland for about a week in early December and was wondering if anybody knows of any partytreffs that allow single men in either Southern Germany or Switzerland. I'll have a couple of days to myself and I'm anxious to try this out but I don't really want to go all the way to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf if there is something similar down closer to where I'll be. Any help at all is appreciated and I promise to write a full report following my trip.

Thanks!

Iseeu

11-25-04, 13:59

Peter,
Hell for a chance at her, I'd F**k you.{o;
Are you in FFM area next week?

Gaijin Gigolo

11-26-04, 18:43

Hello,

I was wondering if anybody could recommend any partytreff clubs in southern Germany. I've never been to either an FKK or a partytreff and I'm thinking I might prefer the treff scene.

Also, I may make it as far as Frankfurt so could I get a survey as to which is the best partytreff that accepts single men in that area?

I'll be there from the 2nd through 12th of December on business but my nights are free.

Thanks gents.

Euro100

11-27-04, 05:17

Peter,

Yes, with this girl you would sure have something to trade. She would work perfectly. Great pictures of a stunner!

Iseeu,

Two things: first, I have never had good experiences with paid sex in the entire country of France, ever. I always got ripped off. Now if I am in Paris and have a day to kill, I hop onto the train and go to Frankfurt.

Second: I agree that you can have this experience you described in a party treff where they allow single guys. That's what is so good about fun4two: on certain nights of the week, no singles are allowed. (I forgot which, you would have to call to find out).

Of course, when I was at fun4two the people were on average not nearly as good-looking as they are on the web site, neither was there as much action as the web site implies. But I had my pro with me and first simply did a solo session with her. It was fun to do some provocative foreplay at the bar, while other couples were glancing our way. And I think that this helped me score with the two other couples later.

Well, I only did this once. It was very expensive, much more than 500 euros. And I am not sure if I would repeat. But I am always willing to pay a little more for new experiences.

euro

Sorcerer

11-28-04, 01:42

Of course I would recommend Beverly as the best Partytreff club. Just read the reviews and the traveling directions.

Gaijin Gigolo

11-28-04, 07:02

Sorcerer,

Did you not read my question at all? Of course I know all about Beverely.

Anyone else have suggestions for SOUTHERN Germany or in the Frankfurt area?

Optimist

11-29-04, 09:06

Gaijin

I don't have any personal experience of these clubs but look at

http://www.club-candy.de

http://www.spritzehaus112.de

http://www.swingerclub-mainhatten.de/index.php

There last one is one which looks more like Beverly. The first two have had good reports.

There are some other clubs listed under Rhein-Main Swinger website

Reports would be appreciated on any you get to

Whitey2

11-29-04, 09:29

i'd like to add to shiatsu's post of 11/17/04 on partytreff hasslinghausen, zum strandbad 32 (45549 sprockhovel), since i went along on that occasion. and i want to mention right up front that shiatsu and cordelia are two of the nicest people you will ever meet.

shiatsu's account of our threesome visit to ph - 32 is accurate and detailed, but possibly is a little understated on the ....um.... intensity of the experience. anyway, i just want to add my two cents' worth. it was a great adventure and a ton of fun, and needs a bit more comment. below are short quotes from his 11/17/04 post, followed by a little filling in of data as experienced by me:

shiatsu: as we drove along the narrow track to the house underneath the autobahn arches we began to think “what have we let ourselves in for?” .

that's because house 32 is sitting over there in the gloom beyond our windshield looking quite a lot like the house perched on the hill above the bates motel in the movie psycho. the rain-dripping highway bridge we're parked under has missed claiming this single-standing yellowish-painted place by mere dozens of meters. you could chuck a beer bottle at it while driving over the bridge above and probably hit the front door. i think the bridge's architects have left it standing there as a warning to others against griping about eminent domain.

we knew from the get-go, driving out to this place all stuffed together in our little rental tin can of a car, shiatsu and me up front and cordelia in the back, that we were leaving the familiarity and 'normalcy' of beverly behind (we'd been at beverly the night before) and were now venturing on out there into the great unknown other. it's just that the place we were now staring at had the outward appearance of being a hell of a lot more 'other' than we'd speculated.

shiatsu: the bar was where the crowd was. ... all very normal. and nice. what we hadn’t noticed was the german pop singalong music. cheery and beerhall swaying music.

hadn't noticed? these people are singing one song right after another, loudly. did i say loudly? reeeeally loudly. their idea of the correct decibel level is to rattle the pictures on the walls. and they intermittently throw in a bunch of lung-busting (ja! ja! ja! ja! ja!)'s to punctuate the singing. and they sway to and fro. and clap. and dance around, and throw arms around each other's shoulders, and sway some more. throw in another handful of face-reddening (ja!)'s and you begin to get the idea.

we three sort of huddle up together on a sofa in the main room next to the bar, wearing cheesy-ass smiles and watching this unfold for awhile, spectators three, and pretty soon, as shiatsu comments in his earlier post, just about everybody in the room but us hightails it up the stairs. and five minutes or so later they start drifting back downstairs into the room again, looking all happy and satisfied. yes, i said five minutes.

shiatsu: we stayed sitting there. got a bit fed up so we went off all three for a little group of our own. but suddenly there came this strange noise – everybody was starting to sing along to the music at the top of their voices. it was impossible to shut out so we went back to the bar and continued to smile stupidly and to try to join in the singing very sotto voce.

what happened was this. we wander off to a room all right, right there on the main floor, but we don't just walk in it. oh no. this room and at least one other like it has a rabbit-hole entrance about three feet high that you have to get down and crawl through to get in. there are peekaboo holes cut in the walls, too, which is normal enough. you see it at beverly. but what hobbit on the city council approved the fire code variance for this room's entrance? i can't see the point in it, except that maybe some self-appointed doorman can sniff butts as you low-crawl past him into the room.

anyway, we're in there, and i have asked shiatsu and cordelia to get it on together, something they do plenty of on their own, and do sometimes in treffs to get the action going. they are here in this treff in pursuit of experiences with others, but i have asked anyway because (a: i want to watch; and (b: i haven't been feeling physically up to par ever since i got off the plane some days ago and think this might get my motor going for the evening; and bless 'em they have agreed to comply for little old me. so they're going at it, and bareback too, being married and all, and that's extra exciting for me to watch, and things are progressing nicely when in the not-so-distant background up jumps the music once and yet again, yet again, yessiree. and the (ja!)'s, and the oom-pahs, and the hand-clapping are drifting in, insisting in through the mini-doorway, thumpa thumpa (ja!), and cordelia begins to get the giggles. then shiatsu. then me.

well now, serious fucking and giggling under the influence are a poor mix, and so the serious side of things just sort of fades away and there we are laid out on the floor, all three still giggling a little, the moment pretty much gone. so we collect our clothing parcels and butt-crawl back out into the world of farfegnuten, or however the hell volkswagen ads used to say that word, and go back to sit on the couch.

shiatsu: then suddenly we were asked to get up and start singing – which was difficult as we had very little german – we got something like “ich habe eine tausende mile geflogen ….. der himmel war …”. that was it. we were in. the power of the music had us. this song was followed by one where we had to clap enthusiastically and sway in unison while the man behind the bar did a karaoke song and joke.

yeah. we were 'in' after that, accepted. there was a tall good looking german woman there - one of the working women , i think - nude to the waist and very tanned, who had caught my eye earlier because she had been dancing somewhat erotically with another woman, sort of two-stepping around to the music. she was nearly my height (i'm 6'3") and looked firm as a bodybuilder, with large firm breasts (hangers) that pointed slightly outwards and swayed nicely to the music. i say 'somewhat erotically' because at the edge of my vision of these two women dancing to the seriously loud music other people were dancing also, people who were doing dance steps that might have names like stomp the grapes, the flailing spasm, or do the fucky chicken. hard to maintain an erotic mood with that going on.

anyway, hangers (i don't know what else to call her - i never got her name) stretches her hand out to me, of all people, indicating that she wants to dance with me. yipes! i'm no dancer either, and so i have visions of looking like i'm doing some dance combo called stomp the flailing chicken and making a total fool out of myself. but i get up anyway and soldier on at it, and we get along all right. do a few dances, actually.

shiatsu: suddenly everybody rushed upstairs (we found out that this was for sex). whitey may report on how he was whisked off.

at the end of some song which must have been the cue for the recommencement of this german sportfucking business, hangers, whom i'm still dancing with, grabs my hand and pulls me off out of the main room and up the stairs, amongst the several others in a semi-stampede who've apparently also recognized the cue. i'm finding this very delightfully almost too good to be true, because if i'd had my gentle and unrushed pick of all the frauleins in the local treff stock she's the one who'd have won the door prize.

i'm more or less thrown into the commons room upstairs and down on the padded floor, and she's on me. she kisses me rapidly and repeatedly and determinedly on the lips, neck, nipples, belly, and then proceeds to major johnson, who's practicing flagpole duty. i was wondering about him showing up in a mad rush at the first musical sounds of revilee, but he's apparently received his orders all right. she looks back at me and says something, probably something like "now i begin, yes," or perhaps just "hold onto your hat," because she starts in at it. hard. and moaning and snuffling and writhing her body.

now whitey2 is ever fond of the bareback blow job, it's one of his favorite things in life. this experience is perhaps a little better described as a bareback mugging. ninety-five percent of my mind is riveted to this experience, just hanging on for dear life and watching her head drive it in, while somewhere in the background the other five percent is fretting about whether or not my toes will uncurl enough for me to be able to actually walk back down the stairs.

and then she's expertly gotten a condom on me, and she crawls on down the floor pad a bit toward my feet and swings that big, firm, bronzed german butt around in my direction and slaps it with her left hand while looking back over her left shoulder at me and saying something to me which i take to probably mean "get in there now, yankee, and i expect you to put some heart into it, ja!" and i do, doggy-style. and she moans this loud, long gutteral lioness sound and bucks back at me, but gently enough - i know and she certainly knows that she could pitch me right back into the wall if she wanted to. and she's writhing again, and grinding, and slaps her outstretched left arm down onto the padded floor for emphasis and tosses her head in unison to the slapping and she's moaning again and saying what sounds like "kumin, ja, kumin," or something to that effect and i know what she means all right.

and only then do i really become aware again that there's a whole roomful of people around me fucking away in high abandon, not just her and me. and no one's been paying attention to us at all in particular except for this one old white-haired german fart who's apparently waiting his turn. she swings back around and gets the condom off me with a paper towel and then she's off to the old german fart, whom i'm convinced isn't going to survive the experience.

shiatsu: within five minutes we were all back downstairs again, singing songs.

that's right - five minutes. six tops.

we left not long after that, s & c wanted to hit beverly at the 9:00 p.m. saturday opening time, and i wanted to go to fkk cocoon, which was about 5 minutes away from house 32. but here's the deal: if we were all fluent or even semi-fluent in german, we'd most likely have stayed. i would have, anyway.

my recommendation: if you speak german and like having fun you would have an absolute ball at this place. i like this kind of new year's eve gaiety and abandon. plus, it looked like most of these people knew each other, like they did this on a fairly regular basis. what a country!

whitey2

Optimist

11-29-04, 10:06

Just to confirm that Whitey's excellent colourful posting in no way exaggerates. Not even a tiny bit.

If you want fun, loud, grinning and bouncy - this is it (on the night we went anyway). It's like buying a concentrated fun mix - two hours contains a week's supply of triple strength fun, leaving plenty of time for the other things in life for the rest of the week

And some of the people there speak really good English - but about two-thirds spoke none. This was a real party atmosphere. We probably won't go back since we prefer the chilled out atmosphere of Beverly - if we were German fluent speakers tho' it might be different

Shiatsu and Cordelia

Gaijin Gigolo

11-30-04, 05:40

Shiatsu,

Thanks very much for the suggestions. I will most definitely check out at least one of these AND the infamous Palace while I'm in Frankfurt and bring back a full report from both. I've decided it's not worth spending time to find a place closer to where I'll be working in Switzerland so I'll be spending three days in the Frankfurt area instead.

By the way, I happily discovered that if you buy rail tickets at www.banh.de at least three days in advance you get a 50 percent discount. Roundtrip from Basel to Frankfurt cost me only 57 euros and I was able to print out the tickets myself.

I'm choosing a hotel now at www.hrs.de and have seen a couple listed that appear to be right next to or across the street from the Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof for 35 euro/night and up. There was even one at 28 euro but it's a few kilometers away and therefore not worth doing.

The Cristall (49 euro but includes a two-day local rail pass), the Crown (35 euro) and the Carlton (40 euro) are the ones I've narrowed it down to.

Thanks to all for your research and assistance!

Mufu

12-04-04, 22:31

There is a life north of the Ruhr!

I had some deception on sunday evening in Wuppertal since the sauna partytreff on Siegestrasse was empty. The host warned me that there was only one guy and no couple; this is a sign of honesty that I will surely never meet in France where I live! Also, many thanks for that and I hope to join again on a saturday with more action.
Then I drove to Sadre on main road but was closed; nevermind I continued on B7 to PT Mettmann to check that it closes at 1000 on Sunday!

This was turning into an emergency case! Also, quickly to the Stahlstrasse in Essen for a 30 euro quickie. The nicest look in my opinion was Joy from Chiang Mai who served me correctly despite of my persistent refusal for adding to the agreed deal.

This was short for a 300 miles trip and since my monday was free, I decided to drive north to Dolce Vita Diepholz. Monday noon and one minute, I was ringing at the door of the partytreff. I was presented the 6 girl staff who apparently live on the premise since no car was on the parking and decided that the day will compensate for the long drive and previous deception. I paid 100 euro entry since this is a 'fuck as much as you can' business.

Downstair, I change for a bath towel and slippers and have my first shower.
I ordered a coffee (very good by the way) and try to have a talk with a nice girl latino type. Then a HUGE lady came on me to invite me for first session; despite her being 12~14 inches taller than me and not being my type there was no escape. anyhow, the session was OK with BBBJ and covered missionar.

Next thing was to reload at the buffet: meal is nothing extraordinary but fresh and clean. The next five hours were spent in alternating room missions and fully private use of a wonderful indoor swimming pool.

I forget to mention the rooms: there is no large gang bang mat like in other partytreff and sessions are almost private except for the absence of doors. Cleanliness is written in big letters all other the premise; customer also are required not to drink outside the bar and saloon or eat outside the dining room.

During the afternoon, the action started to be more public starting with blow jobs in the bar and full action in the saloon. Although, I had a long drive back to FFM, I could not decide to leave before 11 pm and I could not count the number of sessions. Actually, I only popped the first time and fainted the sessions after. In the evening, even fainting was no more possible as I was really drained out!

I forget to mention the actors and audience: 3~4 blond polish/latuan girl ( one stunning petite), a latino type and a GIANT; The F/M ratio always stayed in the range of 1:1.

Schade es sei so weit weg im Norden!

Mufu

12-05-04, 14:36

Optimist

12-10-04, 19:47

We won’t bore everybody with too many details but just a taste of how Beverly is different every time - we wil so the reports so they are in reading order (when they are all done)

We arrived at 18.00, wined and dined, to settle our nerves and stomachs. Around 18.45 we thought we would get started, Went onto the big bed upstairs and a couple of very nice men turned up – one was very keen on a double penetration so who were we to disappoint! This session finished around 19.30 with about 10 gloomy looking people watching and waiting for the next action

After that we couldn’t get anybody to do anything! We tried putting on a show but unusually all we attracted were crowds of men watching – and each time we looked at them they moved further away, until we decided to start zapping them by smiling which then emptied the room completely. So we went to eat again.

Then tried to attract some attention downstairs – we got plenty of attention but no action. The regular women were working but even they were finding it very hard to get participants. So Cordelia pulled a man who was walking round. He was very willing but had already been done! (and unlike a man on Tuesday who came back to Cordelia four times in a hour and came magnificently each time, he couldn’t perform too well). This was in a small room with cutouts so there was a constant procession of silent penises creeping past but no participants. Everybody wanted a show but nobody would make the show with us.

At this point Shiatsu began to feel like a circus show freak, and was fearing for his sanity, (worrying about turning in to a pumpkin), and ran saying “Pumpkins” out of the silent sinister floppy penis filled gloom into the larger bar area (which was empty) and started doing zoo (baboon, chimpanzee) animal impressions. Cordelia followed closely behind laughing madly. Now this was not the thing to do on this silent Wedenday (unlike the day before where there had been much cheerfulness). The door staff were briefly getting very worried – it’s weird enough having English people there without them starting to act like English people (i.e nutcases). By English standards Shiatsu is very quiet and restrained (the sort that the aunts and uncle say “ooh, isn’t he quiet, is he alright?”) – by Beverly standards on this Wednesday night he was something of a mad hatter.

Cordelia was so bored she started talking to the cute boy who works often in the bistro. He was very cheeky and entertained us for ages. He gave lots of advice about how to pick up young men, giving Cordelia physical practice onhow to do it. He and Cordelia couldn’t get under the table to have sex without his bosses noticing! However he is now much wiser about female sexuality.

We were missing the three wsg members who had planned to be there but had got diverted by snow and/or work

So, refreshed, Cordelia went on the trawl again. It was about 21.00. She grabbed one man – announcing to the cute boy – “I’ve got one” – only to realise it was a group of three.

And then suddenly there was a series of about 10 willing participants who lasted over an hour and a half. Sometimes it was with four or five men at once, sometimes with one man for 15 minutes while otheres wait. The cute lad looked in occasionally to give us the thumbs up! Lots of assfucking, pussyfucking, and coming in mouth and on face (Shiatsu wanted to join in but didn't get a chance to come on Cordelia's very wet face). As often when we are in Beverly it seems that there is a need to get to a certain threshold of activity – if there is a group then everybody else will join in. Like the people who join the crowd just because it’s there. Cordelia needed a drink and to stop– but made an exception for a man who had been watching all night nad had been too shy to join in – he said ”may I join you?”. How to resist such a polite request. It turned out he had a lovely prick – but came a bit quick after four hours watching! This bunch of men were all very nice and did their best to give Cordelia a good time - lots and lots of pussy licking and kissing

Cordelia felt sick as a parrot. Too much cum swallowing. However she’s trying to lose more weight (from her current UK size 6/8 and German 32/34) and cum may be helpful (a new version of the Atkins Diet?). We wonder how the FKK girls manage – but maybe they don’t get so many loads in so short a time – or maybe the extra 50 euros lines the stomach?

Btw - Mufu - it's a shame we didn't meet up at Beverly (or inded in Frankfurt) Sorry you had such a bad experience at the partytreff

Shiatsu and Cordelia

Peter

12-11-04, 00:41

The girls in FKK's spit!

Optimist

12-11-04, 08:43

Peter - your reply had me baffled for a while - then I realised!! I also spit (but there's usually a man in the way!!! - it was a very hectic session). I was thinking of the ones which actually swallow (Shiatsu says that the few he has known usually swallow). Thanks

Cordelia

Optimist

12-11-04, 20:46

Shiatsu’s third visit to Beverly on Bi-night and Cordelias second. We really couldn’t believe that our recollections of those visits were really accurate so promised ourselves an early night back at the Hotel if it was awful.

However it started well, we met an acquaintance (H) from our last visit a few weeks ago who had remembered when we had said we would be back and had driven 2 hours from Frankfurt on the off-chance of meeting Cordelia again.

So started with H. Who was very enthusiastic about sandwiches. Bi night is different from other nights in that everyone seems to be there for just the one thing - even the couples are happy to share. This meant that there were no men lurking in the corridors just queues for what turned into a long hot session ( about 50 minutes). H informed Cordelia that she was “ a great fucker” which is not quite correct English idiom but the sentiment was much appreciated!! Cordelia finally needed a drink and a shower. She announced her need for chips – which brought the last few men into paroxysms of laughter. What’s funny – we don’t know – must be the way we tell them. It just shows how happy bi-night seems to be. A man who had been waiting for her to finish tried to persuade her to start again. We didn’t start again as it’s not easy just to stop at one. So we promised we would find him again in 10 minutes.

Shiatsu kept an eye out for anyone he fancied but unfortunately no more 18 year old Jenny's!

After 10 minutes we found our friend upstairs and began again on the big bed in what is the couples room at the weekend. Another long (90 minutes) session but all the men were in a fun mood and there was much laughter and joking which makes everything more enjoyable. Cum in mouth and face was very popular, especially when Cordelia joked she should charge more for the man who missed and got her ear instead. There was much admiration for our friend who at first tried to persuade Cordelia to go without a condom (having waited over an hour for her to be free to pay him undivided attention) and then proceeded to come 4 times in 40 minutes (one of the other men was counting !!) in all the various parts of Cordelia. AT the end of this session two men stayed and talked for some time.

There was a later session also with several men. We left around 23.00, after five very lively and upbeat hours

Bi –night seems to be the most cheerful of the nights. Lots of talking and interaction – no silent creeping (see our report on the following night). The men were as usual very nice and always said goodbye pleasantly when they had come, and most smile and wave when we see them later. Shiatsu got congratulated frequently on his choice of wife!! (even by the obviously bi-men). There were regular women there and some other couples sharing. There was no obvious gay action. There were acouple of transvestites – who two of the women in couple went off with. The transvestites tend to watch until they are asked to join in – and then they move like greased lightning (to join in).

So bi-night could be a good night for straight men. One of the regular women says it's her favourite night because it's more fun than the others. Provided you can run the obvious risks – but these can be avoided if you just don’t flutter your male eyelashes and make come on smiles at virile young men. Many of the men Cordelia fucked were bi but none of them seemed to fancy Shiatsu (who was keeping distance and his head down) – apart from one who grabbed hold of S’s sensitive bits!!

More sex for everybody on bi-nights than any other night

Sorcerer

12-11-04, 21:07

I made plans to meet Shiatsu and Cordelia at Beverly on Wednesday night, the night before I started a strenuous work week and then going back to Beverly on Friday and Saturday nights. Well, this is not how the week turned out. My luck was not so good. Weather in the US caused me to miss a connection to Koln and I spent the night in an airport hotel in the US causing the typical grief of rearranging flight plans and rerouting cities so I could catch up to my schedule and skip Koln. Then again on Friday I missed a train connection due to a delayed train but finally got to Koln, just a bit later than planned. I checking into the Niggemann hotel and then went straight to Beverly.

This started as a strange night for me. Those of you who have seen my posts here and on other forums know that I have been going to Beverly for a bit over 4 years. As I walked in I saw Miss I (Inessa) at the bar. We have been friends but the intensity of the relationship has mellowed. Well, as I walked by I gave her a nice “hello kiss.” She reacted by pulling me over, still in my winter coat and giving me a most passionate kiss that lasted – well – a long time. I finally pulled away – (actually, I came up for air) and went to the locker room to change.

I came back out and got a drink at the bar. She grabbed me and pulled me over to a corner of the bar and we resumed where we left off. This time though I was not in a winter coat and she was all over me. My mind was a bit confused, but what the hell.
Her hands roamed all over and it did not take very long before I was hard as a rock. Then she called to the bartender for something (I don’t understand German – but I found out what it was) He brought her a glass of ice water and a glass of tea. I thought she was thirsty and wanted Iced Tea! Nope – she took the ice into her mouth along with my hard as a rock cock. Her tongue moved the ice all over as she played with my sensitive tip. Then she drank some tea and started again. This time it was very hot. This alternated back and forth until I could not take it anymore. Off to the back we went. The rest I won’t describe – ordinary passionate sex with Miss I.

I Later found out what this was all about. One of her friends who speaks English told me that on my last several trips to Beverly I did not pay a lot of attention to Miss I because I was there with another woman (my friend Patricia.) Now I am not naïve and I know Miss I has 1000 “Beverly lovers” – but Miss I does not like to be ignored and she decided it was time to “take action.” It is nice to have the Queen of Beverly fighting for your attention. It opens up a lot of other opportunities.

The rest of the night was pretty hot. I was a bit tired and out of juice (literally) pretty early. I was standing near the bistro and Rita grabbed me and dragged me to the back. Now this woman loves to be caressed and she loves a nice tongue. I decided that I would take this time to make HER feel relaxed since I needed a rest. I was lying on my stomach giving pleasure to Rita and I felt a nice erotic stroke on my back. A soft hand slid lower down my back wandering across very sensitive areas, finally ending by stroking my balls. I could not see who it was -- and then the familiar “wet tongue” glided from the back of my neck, down my back to these same areas, down my ass until finally ending with my balls. You guessed it – Inessa. She was not done with me – but I was in need of some rest – at least for a while. When I felt Rita was satisfied, I rolled over and the two of them gave me a wonderful massage. My cock was soon hard as a rock – but there was not an ounce of juice left. Something that some women do not understand.

Later in the evening there was a guy dressed in leather straps and light chains with his “young woman.” She had dark short hair down to her ears, nice makeup with just a touch of eroticism and a very sexy outfit. He strapped her to the big cross and alternately caresses and lightly smacked her. She held here eyes closed (no blindfold) as he teased every part of her body. The he stepped away and the crowd just stood there like a bunch of dummies. I glanced at her master and he glanced back with approval. That was my signal to take over where he left off. She was very pretty and very “devoted.” No matter what I did to her (nothing hard of course) she kept her eyes closed and her body gyrating. Soft and hard strokes, and every once in a while a nice smack in the right place. Her pussy was hot, soft and wet. ….an invitation…. The rest I will leave to your imagination.

No need to go into every relationship of the evening and I assure you there were several more. I made friends with a nice middle aged couple in the large bar. She looked very shy and reserved and was dressed in a conservative black dress. The skirt was a bit short – but still conservative. After about an hour of idle chat using the small amount of English they understood, I was invited to have a nice private time in back. Boy was I wrong about her. She warmed up quickly and loved to be fondled and caressed. She was not selfish and returned the favor. We had a nice time – not untypical of Beverly.

I ended the night tired, satisfied and planning my next trip – hopefully for another Karneval at Beverly.

Oh --- A nice surprise ending to the weekend. My friend Patricia whose social calendar was “fully booked” for the weekend suddenly opened up. That is tonight’s fantasy – and one that I will NOT write to you about.

22acacia

12-12-04, 02:32

After reading Shiatsu's and Cordella's posts, I'm becoming more and more intrigued by Beverly. Sorcerer's post have also been very informative and it sounds like the place is fun. The three-hour drive notwithstanding, I would like pay a visit there, but I would feel safer, being the single guy, to meet up with other WSGers. The Fankfurt FKKs are quite fun and also quite guaranteed as well. Can someone offer some words of encouragement for me to make the drive there? Thanks.

Spike 699

12-12-04, 03:42

Where is the Beverly and do they have a site to peruse?

CBGBConnisur

12-12-04, 05:30

Don't expect FKK quality women at Beverly, you will see some very good looking women but they usually will not participate.

Optimist

12-12-04, 10:05

22 acacia

The difference from FKKs is that nothing is guaranteed. That is why many customers arrange to go with somebody else first. And it is marginally more difficult if one doesn't speak German.

There is no rule which says the goodlooking women don't fuck - some of the ugliest women are ones who go to pose or talk and not fuck. And some of the women we've fucked at Beverly have been better looking and enthusiastic than anyone in FKKs. And some of the workers in FKKS (probably about 80%) I would not go with even if they paid me!). So I think it's much more complicated than the short point CGGB makes.

Of course, unlike FKKs the women tend to be older than 18-25, but what you do know is that the women who do sex there are interested in fucking you not your 50 euro note. On average the women are definitely not as goodlooking as in FKKs - Beverly women are there because they want sex or to have a good night out with friends, not because they are trying to make money

So it's hard to set simplistic rules. We don't want our reports to cause you to have a wasted evening. If you're prepared to wait to end Feb/early March you will be very welcome to come with us. And I think Cordelia certainly is good looking - and some girls at FKK World have said that she is fair competition for them!! As you have probably read Cordelia had one man drive up from Frankfurt specialy to see her. There is also another Frankfurt man who is planning to drive up specially when we go next.

Sorcerer

We were really sorry to miss you. But it sounds like, as always, you took every opportunity that was going and had a really good time.

Peter

12-12-04, 10:16

Acacia,

I went once and it will definitely be the last time. aside from Cordelia there was nothing there. If you are used to FKK's and you are going as a single guy don't take a 3 hour ride to go there. Find a party treff in your area if you really want to try it out.

I insisted on gioving it a shot once, but I guarantee that will be the only time.

Mufu

12-12-04, 13:07

Acacia,

My opinion is that the Ruhr is quite different and worth driving a few hours.

You can find very nice girls in many Partytreff which I would rate at least equal to the girls in any franckfurter FKK.

Beverly has not the most stunning beauties but atmosphere is different in the sense that it is not 100% commercial. You can find there the same ambiance as in castle Waterloo but with the insurance to take part in any case. Beverly is a sociological experience with some rescue helpers!

If you want beautiful girls then drive to the north Horsten, Osnabruck or Diepholz.

If you want crazy orgy then Solingen, Mettman are the best.

In any case, the experience is not a private relation in a closed room, it is a sex marathon with helpers that are sincerely devoted in helping you to go above any of your hesitation.

I always wonder about the commitment of the girls; I am not naive enough to believe they take pleasure in banging around but I believe that they appreciate when their job is well done.

Optimist

12-13-04, 19:18

CBGB

I find your post unhelpful and offensive. It is in line with your normal posting of generalisations, usually slagging off some group. For example recently you have said.

"there is nothing to do for fun in Germany. The place is completely ghetto"

You have said there is KKK attitude amongst girls at PHG.

And so on. Whitey has catalogued your abusive postings

Your postings contain nothing but generalisations and offer no useful detail. You will remember that when I queried your post about Beverly recently you were unable to say which of the nights I had been there was the one you attended. Iseeu considered that you had not in fact been

I would be grateful if you would post with detail and without slagging off whole groups of people

I am reluctant to make this post but you have upset several of the frequent posters on this thread and you have not responded to any of their requests

Optimist

12-13-04, 20:22

Just a brief note - no need to go into details of who did what to who when. We got there about 20.40 and they were letting people in well ahead of opening at 21.00. Said hello to all the staff we knew and parted with our box of quintessential English biscuits (well, Scottish actually) as a slightly early St Niklaus present (or even Christmas). We ate and drank first - into battle on a full stomach and empty brain.

There were almost no men at first. Inessa had to call out for men – but when she did they literally ran away. Who in their right mind would run away from Inessa?

Gradually the men started to get heir nerve. One of whom gave us his details so that we could tell him when we were next coming to Beverly. Another who had come because he had heard about this strange English couple.

As most of you will know, Shiatsu tends not to go after any women apart from Cordelia at Beverly. He stays in the background so that the other men and Cordelia can enjoy themselves – only occasionally getting so carried away that he joins in. He does however stay close if there are any vacant places, touching Cordelia or helping provide the men with condoms. On this night there was a strange occurrence – a man had taken Cordelia over with a 69, leaving little room for any other men. Shiatsu touched Cordleia’s rear end lightly, somewhere about a foot from the man’s face, and his hand was violently (and we mean violently) thrown aside. This was so weird that it didn’t really register, so he put it back and the same thing happened. So he checked and the same thing happened a third time. Other rmen were touching Cordelia’s upper body. Basically this man’s action amounted to an assault. Shiatsu told Cordelia what had happened and she got off the man, moved onto another and Shiatsu sat blocking the man’s access to Cordelia.

We mention this as an example of how by being aggressive and selfish this man lost out. It is in contrast to 99% of men at Beverlly who are very caredul of each other and Cordelia and always very friendly and polite. It is a situation which, if Shiatsu had responded in the same way could easily hav escalated. So, as always, Beverly is the unexpected. We didn’t see the man again that night. No doubt he had his own perspective – but it’s an object lesson that care and consideration of others is the first rule at Beverly

The evening finished for us around 00.30 – a bit early for Saturday but we had been travelling. We were going to see if Shiatsu could get in with a couple but we were abit too tired to try.

We were intrigued that more than one person knew about the English couple. They were very friendly. But there seems to be a buzz going round – how else to explain the fact that strange men come straight up to Cordelia and suggest a sandwich. How about that for an opening line next time you meet a woman for the first time? This hadn’t happened before – up till now it had been us who made the suggestion. And also we were intrigued by a rash of fishnet gloves – Cordelia always wears these and nobody else had previously. The nice thing tho was that although several of the men clearly knew of us by repute, they did not treat us as if we should be doing anything special

Wahoolee

12-14-04, 01:09

I really enjoy your posts and look forward to them every week.

If I am ever in Germany.... ;)

Excellent as always and thanks again. :)

Optimist

12-14-04, 20:12

Thanks very much for your kind comments. We'll try to let you know when we're back in Germany (Probably around Feb 14th - seems a suitable focus!).

Wahoolee

12-15-04, 03:19

Thanks very much for your kind comments. We'll try to let you know when we're back in Germany (Probably around Feb 14th - seems a suitable focus!).It is a long way from Los Angeles to most places so I won't be going anywhere before my trip to Thailand in March.

Maybe I'll make it to Europe during the summer.

Akibono

12-15-04, 03:50

I agree. It is these rude men that get us respectful singles banned from such clubs. It is really too bad. Men are there for the pleasure of the women. They should not treat the women as their property.

Roger42

12-18-04, 18:21

Mufu,

I had not heard of Dolce Vita Diepholz. I checked up their website:

http://www.club-dolcevita.de/

The women on the website really look to be a class above places like Mettmann as far as looks go. Are they really as shown? It sounds like a great place. Unfortunately it is a little far from the areas that business takes me, but if the opportunity arises, I might give it a try. Is it a place that is ok without speaking much German? I never have problems at Mettmann.

Roger

Peter

12-18-04, 22:41

R42

There is nothing in the pictures that is so phenomenal that it would make me believe the place is a fake. According to the postal code it must be somewhere between Cologne and Dortmund, but I have never heard of their town, and the home page does nothing to clear up the mystery of where it is. I am also on a slow connection so I cannot search it.

Call ahead and ask how many girls are working on a particular date, then you will know. I have seen no reports on any forum about this place.

Mufu

12-18-04, 23:32

Diepholz, Sutthausen and Dorsten have definetely better quality than the partytreff around Essen. There is an exception for Pegasus in Duesseldorf but it is not really a Partytreff.

Sutthausen is at top for the friendly ambiance, Dorsten for the beauty of the girl and Diepholz for the premises: no common playroom (but action also goes in bar and saloon later in the afternoon) and swiss cleanlyness.

My opinion is that it is really worth th 100 miles detour. However, nothing can beat Solingen for its very special mix and Mettmann for its orgies.

Lover Boy #2

12-20-04, 07:00

www.wagenfeld.de/

Go to the city hall page and they will give you directions for your cultural journey.

Mufu

02-03-05, 23:12

in a desire to serve the community and bring information on new places, i tried this partytreff on a january saturday.

the place is quite easy to find: when you quit the freeway to sprockhovel, drive se one mile opposite to stadt centrum. the building is on the left side of the road and cannot be missed. the parking is huge and neons are flashing all over the house.

i paid 110€ and joined the first floor to change to underwear. the ground floor is a bar, disco and restaurant. the population is quite young and the m/w ratio near 1:1. the food is quite good and can compare to beverly.

after a good dinner, i had a look at the upper floors:

first floor: jacuzzi and sm room.

second floor: small houses where large mats are installed and a lot of people (many girls) peeping through the small windows.

what really puzzled me was that the action was really 1 to 1 with nearly no swinging. chances for single males are nearly equal to none. i tried to stay until noon to see if some more action could happen then left although they were open until 2am.

Mufu

02-12-05, 11:09

Following a cultural evening in Sprockhoevel, I had to get some active adventures and went to Muenster on the next morning (Sunday). At 11 am, I was the first to enter but all ladies were already in the salon area.

Entry is 95E for 8 hours. There was no change on my 100E note but this was very honestly given back when I left. Of course, I was given the locker #1 and was surprised that this partytreff is known as "yellow sack" since you have to put your trousers in a sack when all lockers are used. this means that sometimes they have more than 30 patrons which is quite a lot for the house and the staff.

The house is a quite respectable interior with books in the library (litterature, encylopedies.. not what you think!) old clockwork and porcelaine dollies on old fashioned furniture.

The staff consisted of five ladies and two for the management:
two germans one young and one not so but very active,
then polish, thai and cameroonese. For your information, only the girl from cameroon speaks english.

There is a sauna, massage room and SM area on second floor but nearly all action took place in the ground floor on a nuptial but public bed or on the "Wiese".

As soon as arrived, I was invited by the black lady for a first session although I definetely sitted next to the thai girl. Well, her enthusiasm made it for my preference and the session was not bad at all.

While restoring my forces in the bar, some new patrons were coming. After a while I had the courage to ask the asian lady for a tour downstair. The session started not so well since she had difficuty to slip my dick into her but she really made a maximum. Sometimes when you fancy too much a girl, the blood is running to the head instead of running where it should in such circonstances!! well thank to her efforts and mines, we succeeded! This turned into one of the most memorable session I ever had in my 40 years on monger life! Everything was very slow and lasted over 30 minutes.

The afternoon was spent in alternating lunch (not memorable) and downstair sessions. The M/F ratio always staid in the 1:1 and discussions downstairs went very much about each one performances. One may have thought this was practical teaching about human behaviour and physiology.

I am not sure wether the 8 hour time limit would have been seriously enforced but at 20 to 7 I bet the german girl for my last session and first pop. I did not really checked for time but had action with each girls for a total of probaly 3 to 4 hours on the mat which I consider as honorable for my age.

CBGBConnisur

02-19-05, 05:08

I recently visited Partytreff Mettman, I took the S-Bahn to Mettmann and then a cab. Compared to the Beverly, this club is a lot easier to find, it was also fairly inexpensive to get their. I rang the doorbell, and an attractive German speaking women greeted me, her name was Sylvia, and she was quite friendly. She did not speak much English and kindly told me to wait a moment for an English speaking associate. The associate came and told me that it would cost 100EU for entry, and the cost include nearly unlimited sex, drinks, and a hot buffet. Sounded like a good deal. I said ok, its sounds great, paid the guy, and got a key for the locker. I stripped and got into a towel and went upstairs. At the bar I ran into a German women, named Pia or something else(I am bad with names) that resembled Ally McBeal, when I heard her voice she had a British accent. I thought it was funny that a German would have such an accent, she apparantly lived in the UK with a British fiancee. We had a drink together chatted, and then she showed me around the club. There was an orgy room with a roman style bed, a bathroom with a jacuzzi, and S and M type room and another orgy room. We got straight down to business in the third room, and she started with a nice bbbj, and fucking in several positions. One of her "associates" joined us and started massaging my testicles as I was fucking this woman. I was completely exhausted after the first session and laid down for a while. I then got up, feeling horny again, and walked into the main orgy room, and I saw something out of Ancient Rome. There were at least a dozen people on the room fucking wildly, I walked in saw Sylvia, the nice brunette being done by some Turkish-Arabic guy, I noticed Sylvia was flirting with this dude anyhow a lot of German women have a thing for dark meat, I pointed my cock in her mouth and she started sucking wildly. Another nice blondish lady was smiling at me while my cock was being sucked, and I went over to her, she spread her legs and started fucking. After I was done she pulled out my dick and put another guy's cock in her. I then took a shower, the bathroom has no locks, and dudes were comming in left and right relieving themselves, hell I thought its no big deal. I later recovered to the lounge, had a few drinks and waited for the buffet. A wonderful feast was laid out, and I immediately dug in on Spaetzle, Schnitzel, and Frikadellen(I got addicted to this in Germany and tried to brought some back to Australia). I went back to the train station to Dusseldorf, and tried to get my ticket from the machine, from some reason, it wouldn't take my Euro coins, so I slammed it with my hand and voila the machine gave me my ticket. Two German youths copied me and slammed the machine too, oh boy I am a very corrupting person. I later returned to Dusseldorf and walked around the train station, which seemed to be filled with hoodlike characters, it almost looked liked a scene out of Penn Station in New York with all sorts of different characters. I was later walking by a photo shop on the street from the Hbf, and saw an video advertisement in the window, in the ad was saying that the store specializes in wedding photos and porttraits for couples. I noticed the models, the guy was clearly Turkish with dark skin, and the woman was a blonde haired blue eyed German, and I remember that gorgeous mixed race German-Turkish woman that I nearly spent three years running around Germany to find. I thought to myself about how fucked up the world's politics are and how people are killing each other because of their race and nationality and religion. I thought maybe, that beautiful woman's parents were like the couple in the advertisement, and I thought if the world was different and thought about that woman, who spent a couple of months with me iin Australia and returned(I flew back on this trip to meet her again and found out she was killed in an Autobahn accident). I thought the world doesn't have to be this way, and went back to my hotel room depressed. I took a train in the morning to Frankfurt Airport and returned to Sydney and the calmness of the land down under.

Optimist

03-06-05, 11:30

Cordelia writes. On 28th and 29th March we are going to Beverly. PM us if you expect to be there then and want to meet up
I am going back to FKKW from March 18th until March 27th(inclusive). Last time was fun but the fact that it was my first ever such experience told. So I'm going back to see what it's really like - and with any luck I'll have lots of sex. If any wsg members want to say hi (and I promise not to kidnap and abduct you to a room unless you ask!!) PM me. Shiatsu will be joining me from 25th.

RedDog

03-12-05, 11:05

http://www.baldis.de/index.php?page=anfahrt

found this on a boring day searching the internet

the girls look good

i thought it might be a good closer to me alturnitive to mettmann.

maybe soem of the other german living people can coment on this club

rd

Roger42

03-13-05, 16:20

I recently visited Partytreff Dorsten on a Wednesday evening. The club is just off the A58 in a small town, Wulfen, just outside Dorsten. The place is easy to find by car, only a few miles north of Gelsenkirchen. A sign was placed on the small street near the house to direct you. See their website for directions:

www.partytreffdorsten.de

It costs 100 Euro. The woman who opened the door and ran the bar was very friendly and spoke quite good English. There is a changing area and lockers downstairs. On the main floor of the house is a bar and sitting area. Upstairs is a large playroom and a bathroom with whirlpool tub. The sitting area has a large TV that was showing soccer matches when I was there - a change from the porn movies that you usually see in other partytreffs. Hot food and drinks are included in the entry price.

The night that I was there there were 6 girls, mostly young and attractive. They were friendly and made sure that everyone had a good time. I arrived at about 6.30 pm and at that time there were only 4 men present, although a few more came later in the evening. All the action takes place upstairs. The girls like to help each other entertain the guests. It was typical to have 2 or 3 girls playing with you at the same time, which I found to be great fun! During my time there I had 4 sessions upstairs, and got to play with all the girls, and have sex with 3 of them - a very good evening!

I would highly recommend Dorsten, and I hope to get the chance to go back again. The place is clean and welcoming. It is not as wild as Mettmann, but the girls are more attractive, and the action is a little more relaxed.

Britpop

03-27-05, 13:51

Being a bit bored last Friday and feeling in a mood for an advendture I scanned through the internet and found a club in Stolburg (near Aachen) called Butterfly. Being more of a fan of Partytreff clubs than FKK's I took a look at the site, two pictures of attractive women were posted and it looked promising so off I went.

Got to the club at 8pm and was welcomed by the owner, paid the 89Euro enterance and was taken to the changing room. The first impression was that the lockers were too small to put all you clothes in, just enough space for valubles and a couple of other things, I had to hang my clothes on a communal rack, now I think Germany is a very safe place and the people are incredably honest (I say this from the perspective of being a Londoner) but I still feel uncomfortable about leaving belongings in an open, unobserved area.

Got changed and sauntered into the bar area. Ah ha, one of the women in the internet pictures was working behind the bar, not entertaining the guests, OK, the site did not say that she would only be behind the bar but, call me niave, when the women is pictured lying butt naked on a bed there is an implication that she would be getting involved in the bedroom, not just serving up the drinks.

There were two women on active service, the first was from the picture in the internet but clearly a few years older than when the picture was taken, the other was really was, I can only say, dissapointing. I am a regular Mettmann guest and I full accept that, looks wise, the women may not be on the same level as a good FKK but it is compensated by great sex and wonderful personalities. Unfortunately it was simply not the case here, I won't go into details of what happend when the two women and the guests went to the bedroom as frankly I don't quite think I have recovered from the trauma but it was appalling. Rushed service, covered BJ and attitudes bordering on downright rude left me feeling like a piece of processed meat.

Got downstairs again and started on the very basic buffet, the woman behind the bar offered the guests toast hawii's which she seemed strangly proud of. Sat down and watched the porno until the manager decided to change the DVD to ABBA's greatest hits (I kid you not)! Rather than join in the chorus of Dancing Queen I retired to the whirlpool, sat in the tub and got burnt on the arse by an extremely hot jet of water. At this point I decided to call it a day.

Now I don't want to spoil another man's business out of turn so in fairness I must point out that I did go on Easter Friday which is clearly a quiet day but I counted twelve other guests while I was there so they took over 1000Euros in four hours, clearly they are making enough money to make a bit more of an effort. The manager was friendly enough and did seem to want guests to have good time but he does not have a firm grip on what is required, if he tried a lot harder the club does have the potential to make this a good venue in a area which does not have any real competition.

In conclusion it was a complete waste of time. If your in Aachen and have 90Euro's give it to a homeless person instead, you will feel a lot better. The only positive thing about it is that I can post this message for others.

The toast hawii's were very nice...........

I checked out the Baldis site posted by Red Dog (thank you RD), an it does look promising. I am planning to take a trip up there one Saturday in April, if anybody from the Cologne area wants to come up with me (the club is near Hannover) please PM me.

Britpop

03-27-05, 14:41

Beverly have taken over a swinger club about 15km west of Köln. It's opening night is next Friday 1st April. Site address:

http://www.beverlypage.de/bergheim/bergheiminfo.asp

Sorcerer

03-28-05, 16:07

Went to the Beverly Easter party last night. Pretty large and friendly crowd. The couple from Berlin, Tina and Stefan were there. She amazes me - but I keep my distance. They "advertise" on the Beverly forum for guys to save their "juices" so Tina can swallow it. She does 10-15 guys at a time and by the end her face is all wet and she swallows enough protein to keep her going for a long time. She did this at least 3-4 times last night. uhhhhhh - Are these guys crazy? - that mouth must be full of all sorts of bad stuff? not for me --

The highlight of the evening was the dessert buffet. They carried the massage table to the disco floor, one of the regular women did a stip tease and then laid face up on the table. The Chef came out and created a masterpiece of a buffet. Fruits, gelatin, cookies, pastries, whipped cream, jellies all laid upon her naked body - and of course the buffet line (or crowd) started to form. By the end she was pretty cleaned off and everyone was happy.

Tonight - is is back to Beverly - maybe to meet Shiatsu and Cordelia - more to follow --

Harpoon

03-30-05, 16:08

Cordelia writes. On 28th and 29th March we are going to Beverly. PM us if you expect to be there then and want to meet up, I am going back to FKKW from March 18th until March 27th(inclusive). Last time was fun but the fact that it was my first ever such experience told. So I'm going back to see what it's really like - and with any luck I'll have lots of sex. If any wsg members want to say hi (and I promise not to kidnap and abduct you to a room unless you ask!!) PM me. Shiatsu will be joining me from 25th.I was a viewing member of this forum for more than 9 months and fascinated by Cordelia&Shiatsu's invaluable contributions.

Finally I had a chance to visit Beverly during my trip to Dusseldorf for an exhibition in November04. I am not o good writer like Shiatsu and hence do not want to bother you with some unimportant details, just want to say that I had superb time and experiences there.

At last, I got my regular membership and find a chance to thank C&S. I want to thank that excellent couple C&S for their unique posts leading me Beverly.

I will do my best to visit again Beverly and luckily meet with Cordelia and Shiatsu.

keep erect,

Harpoon

Palombo

03-30-05, 19:57

Hi,

I'm new here as a regular member.

I've eagerly read all the previou posts and thank all the contributors. I hope I will be able to give some advice too in the future.

First of all I do not live in Germany so I need some informations.

1) Are there any Partytreff in the Southern-occidental Germany (near the swiss border)

2) In the 2nd half of April I will probably pay a visit to Dolce Vita in Diepholz. Can anyone give me any info about hotels nearby?

Thank you very much.

Optimist

03-31-05, 14:40

After two weeks (for Cordelia) and a few days for Shiatsu in FKK World and other such places intended to improve the mind we managed to fit in one night at Beverly. Apologies to anyone who got there on the 27th and found us missing.

Actually we probably did you a favour - we were incubating minor colds but didn't know it at the time. The result was that when we got there we felt curiously tired. But bi-night usually perks us up. However not only were we a bit quiet so was Bev - it was after the Sunday party Sorcerer mentioned and also the Monday - we were told by Katja (a regular woman there) how good both nights had been. The staff were all very cheerful to see us again after four months away - "the English couple!"

The previous two bi nights we had been to had not been at all bi. This one was different!!. We noticed a number of the women and men were rather keen on seeing and feeling what was under several transvestites' knickers. Generally the couples did as normal - spent a long time looking and then going off to a room to have sex with each other

Cordelia has improved her confidence about picking men up and immdiately got one in a corridor and took him to a room to be joined by a couple of others. We did the normal stuff but then noticed that the man was possibly as interested in Shiatsu as in Cordelia. Now Cordelia is a good wife and always shares with Shiatsu and Shiatsu always likes to please Cordelia. Suffice it to say that after about two minutes of this close encounter with this no doubt lovely man Shiatsu extricated himself with virginity so far as men are concerned intact!!. So, perhaps our blase confidence about bi-night on our previous visits was a bit misplaced - maybe it's not the best night for a straight man - although most of the men there were straight. Shiatsu now rates all women, even the ones with bad breath or going bald, one notch higher than before - any woman is better than a man

We won't go into details of what we did, but after about 6 men including the first sandwich of the holiday, (with a large group of couples watching - we can never understand the point of watching but maybe we are missing something) we left at 21,30 suffering from the developing cold and cough which we did not want to spread. But not before eating and drinking well. The food at Beverly was alone worth the entrance fee (we paid 20E as we had a 10E voucher).

After spending 10 days at World, Cordelia came to the conclusion that the sex she had at FKK World was overall better. But perhaps it's not sensible to try to compare the two.

Iseeu

03-31-05, 17:57

Hey Shiatsu,
Didn't i warn you awhile ago about bi-night? tempting the tempest? I love your English tongue in cheek description of your almost lost M2M virginity. Kudos! Given your obvious under the weather symptoms, maybe he was checking your rectal temperature :-} (ooh that's bad, yuk)

Me, I'm still lost in translation in Asia and will be until the end of next week, so I missed the March 27th rendezvous in Bev. But it looks like I'll be in D-dorf/Cologne in 2 weeks, and I hope to make the Mon. night FKK at Bev. I'll pass for obvious reasons on the Tuesday night, and return on Weds.

Sounds like C had a good business working at FKKW. I'll Pm for details.

Any wsg friends in the area that want to join me there April 11 and April 13 at bev and Tues night at either PHG or Mettman let me know via PM.

Optimist

03-31-05, 18:11

Iseeu. Just so the official record stays straight(sic) and I don't get thrown off the forum, nothing of any shape size or gender got within a very long way of my rectum!!. I wondered why we didn't see you there but then we remembered your aversion to bi-night!!.We see you are not going to give it a go - what happened to adventure?(LOL) On balance bi-night has been good but next time (if there is one) I'll keep further away from wandering hands. Generally bi-night may not be the best as there are fewer regular women there. Good hunting. See you again sometime. Shiatsu and Cordelia

Iseeu

03-31-05, 18:27

Thanks for staying... um I mean setting the rectal...I mean record, str8.

Re adventure: yes, as you know I'm a firm believer in "Try it you'll like it", but I tried bi-night once, and it was, um how to put this....too much to handle (actually "be manhandled"). Apparently a blonde single guy is fair target for more than wandering hands.

That's a mighty spicy meatball...

Sorcerer

03-31-05, 22:21

Sorry I missed Shiatsu and Cordelia Monday - I hope you got over your colds. Poor Shiatsu - I warned him about bi-night. Not a place for a guy who reads these boards.

All in All, Monday night was not so hot. Just a couple of single women and TONS of guys. I don't like standing in lines so I did not have a whole lot of action.

Sorcerer

04-03-05, 07:24

. Last Monday at Beverly was a disappointment but last night made up for it many times over. What a night!
. First of all it was the first Saturday of the month and the theme is “everyone wears black.” If you show up without black shorts to wear you can usually purchase a pair for 10 euro. The outfits that people were wearing were incredible. Sexy does not describe it. So many good looking women – like going into a candy store – and not limited to just a few pieces. Young, old, very young (over 18) and very old – all there. Most of the guests stay in the disco and are exhibitionists. They do not go with single guys. But there are always a nice number that go with their partners to the back and then SHARE!
. The crowd was a bit smaller because they just opened a new Beverly club west of Koln and some of the regulars went there easing the crowd a bit. This was good news because it also kept the number of single guys down and there were quite a lot of single women this evening, some of whom I never saw before. In fact, THEY were complaining about a shortage of single men. What a nice time – no rushing – no lineups of guys waiting for each girl etc.
. For those of you who read my prior posts you know that I enjoy watching a little playful bondage. Well this evening was special – about 3 couples showed up in a group with several “trainers” teaching them the art. It was fascinating watching these couples learn how to tease, torture and finally reward each other. However, unlike the experienced people who show up, these couples did not yet have the needed trust or experience so it was interesting watching them find their limits.
. As usual, I left very tired and drained. Time to start thinking about my next trip.

Iseeu

04-15-05, 10:16

Not a detailed report this time. Following Shiatsu and Cordelia's and Sorcerer's recent posts, I spent Monday night at Bev. First time there in a couple of months and first time on Monday FKK night.
Understand now Sorcer's disappointment as a single guy as it obviously cannot compete with the Weds. or weekend scenes, but I went in with low expectations and had a great time. 8 women, of whom 4 were parts of a couple, some regulars, all were very highly participatory. Maybe 15 single men. Nice friendly atmosphere (we're all naked, so no holds barred).Nice action upstairs and downstairs. I had 4 sessions, and could have gone for more.
Considering that the best other area partytreff alternative is Mettman, this compares favorably for a Monday night if you're not in the mood for the vibrant NRW FKK scene.

Mufu

04-21-05, 05:00

I was wondering about this place since nearly no information was available on the web.

Kimau FKK Club Kirchlengern Akazienweg 1
52°12.033N 8°38.141E

The Ostwestfalen (Hannover area) offers better opportunity for the 'all you can fuck' deal than the Ruhr area and is worth the 100 km extension to the NE.

The place is a small hole in the wall in a quiet village and I suppose that as soon as you arrive everyone knows what you are here for.
I came at 7pm and was the only guest in small bar with 5 thai girls and 1 german that I would not fuck for 200Euros. The thai girls were much better 3 were young bargirl type and 2 were more nextdoor wife type. The price is 85 Euros for 11 am- 5am.

First session was in a small bedroom nearby; nothing I need to write home about! In fact I was not in my best mood and she soon proposed so switch to another young thai. The second one was one of the youngest thai.

The ambiance went a bit better when I started to try the thai food. I had a talk with one of the nextdoor girl in the salon; she claimed to be working in a factory to feed her alcoolic husband and started today in that place to earn money for her driving license. When we went to the room, I could check that it was probably true as she appeared genuinely unexperienced.

I had a sauna with the second nextdoor wife and heard a quite similar story about her husband. She clearly explained me that she want to retire in Thailand with a gentle husband even older. As I am roughly 15 years older than her, I guess this was a proposal.

After a third session, I had one of the best massage of my life in the saloon. Two thai girls took care of me and this was really a rough session. I still had a small lunch and chat at the bar wher I was explained that I would get more service only if I offer a 10 Euro drink. I refused the deal and left around midnight not without tipping 10 Euro for the memorable massage.

Summary: nothing luxurious but very entertaining and a quite sociological experience to understand the fate of that girls who have to marry a german guy to get their visa.

Blue Eyes

04-28-05, 06:32

Just to ask if anyone of you guys will be at Beverly Swinger Club next weekend. Although it is the last weekend of the month (normally no single men allowed) the club is also opened for single men because they have a party called "Tanz in den May" (means dance into May).

It's also "Walpurgisnacht" in which witches celebrate beginning of Spring. So if you want to meet a witch at Beverly please pm me.... :-)

Blue Eyes

Pakman69

05-15-05, 13:27

Iseeu

05-15-05, 23:10

Coming to Frankfurt for couple of days next week (Thursday, Friday and Saturday) and am interested in visiting a Party Treff Club, preferably where I can find 'All You Can Eat' option similar to XTREFF in Altenstadt.

Does any one has information regarding other clubs in the area, I will have a car at my disposal and am looking for club name, address, pricing information and any other specials.

Thank you

The Frankfurt area is less known for party treff than the NRW area, but some of the swinger clubs may have party treff days/nights. You can check the "Bild" newspaper to see the daily events in the advertised clubs.
Or go to swingerclubs.de. Choose the "swingerclub suchen" (search for swingerckubs) option on the top of the page.
Click on the "deutsche Clubs sortiert nach Bundesland" (Sort by area in Germany) option in the middle of the page.
Click on "Hessen" (Area that Frankfurt is in).
You'll get a list of 42 clubs, mostly swinger clubs. On a Friday and Saturday night, the swinger clubs will definitely be open for couples and not party treff.
I've been to a few of the clubs listed, but none as partytreff.
If you have the car, and you don't mind the driving, you'll find many more options further north.

Pakman69

05-16-05, 17:50

Isseu,

Thanks for your detailed response. I appreciate it.

I am willing to go North if I can find "All You Can Eat" option. Please eleborate on where, when, cost, etc.

Do Swingers Club allow single men? Would be really nice to say to a new friend "Your girlfriend sucks well".

Thanks for your help as I look forward to using the info. once in Frankfurt.

Optimist

05-17-05, 08:04

Apologies Iseeu for butting in (perhaps not the most appropriate phrasing..). Btw - how are you?

Pakman - go by Iseeu's instructions re websearch. The club known best on this forum is Beverly. http://www.beverly2000.net/ If you are driving up th A3 then the new satellite Beverly at Bergisch -Gladbach will be a bit nearer. You can get details from the Beverly website.

There are clubs round FFM but I've never been. Mainhatten looks like the nearest to Beverly in approach.

Single men are allowed - except on certain nights. Check the Termine bit on the website - and watch out for SM night (unless that's what you want)

As for how to proceed I suggest you read the reports by Iseeu, Sorcerer and myself on this thread. It is hit and miss and, in most cases, you need to be willing to make an effort to get to know a couple at the bar etc. But not always

Iseeu

05-17-05, 23:37

Shiatsu, You keep sticking your butt out in the wrong places :-) I'm good.

Pakman,
For all you can eat you are looking for a partytreff club, which is structured like a swingers club but has women working for the house either pros or amateurs. Some of the gangbang nights at the clubs have a similar structure.

For a list of the options further north go to that same swingerclubs.de site, follow the instructions until you reach the 3rd screen asking to input the German area choose "nordrhein westfalen" (NRW). This is the area including Bonn, Cologne and Dusseldorf. You will get 99 options, mostly swinger clubs but also a fair number of partytreffs. The best of the lot is in Mettman which is north east of Cologne, and just south of Dusseldorf. Others are Colonia in Cologne, Wuppertal, and Pegasus in Dusseldorf

As Shiatsu points out, some of us are fans of Bbeverly, But it is set up as a swingersclub and not strictly an "all you can eat". There are some women there whose role is to locate the single guys and make them happy, but it's not the same as a partytreff like Mettman, which will have 5-6 women working the male customers. But the ambience at Bev is definitely different and worth a visit on a Fri. or Sat. night.

Skyler2

05-18-05, 23:18

Anyone on the board going to be anywhere friday night? I am a long time fan of the FKK's around Frankfurt and Stuttgart. I have Friday free and thought I would be adventurous and hit a Partytreff.

I can understand German ok but speak it so poorly as to say not at all.I was thinking about Beverly but the intimidation factor is high. I will probably hit Mettman or Pegasus if no one else is around. (Seem slightly less worrisome for a complete Partytreff newbie. But sure sounds fun)

Sky

Harveyr

05-19-05, 09:43

This weekend I went to check out the recently opened Beverly "COP" at Bergheim.

A smaller club than at Solingen, but the same basic idea. Same management, same system, same prices. I went on Friday, which is a 125€ entrance for single male.

Its nicely done out, small disco, small buffet area, bar area, play rooms. Some "equipment" for the fetishists :)

But, it was VERY quiet. Anyone looking for action would be sadly disappointed. If it gets more popular it has every chance of being a good club, but on my one night's experience, I'd not venture to return.

Frankfurter

05-23-05, 15:00

Nostalgia made me stop on my way to Asia at the funky club "under the autobahn-bridge".

I had a great time there during my last visit at New Year's, that night a veritable orgy with quite a number of guys and --I guess-- the regular chicks was going on. I had great sessions with the host, Baerbel (she is hot), two chicks in their late 30' from the Czech Republik and an older, blond, short-haired German chick with glasses, great BBBJ skills.

Anyway, two days ago it was somewhat different. Baerbel unfortunately only showed up briefly --the club opens on Saturday's at 3.00 p.m.--no action with her. The chick with the glasses was very nice, massaged my back, legs and dick at the bar, and gave me a BBBJ right there. Not bad, I liked it, the other guys had fun watching.

She made me then go to the enclosed area on ground level. Session was good.

The trouble started later, when I tried to get a conversation going with a 18 yr. old "Mini-Dominatrix" at the bar. She was sitting there in her long latex skirt and black fish net top, not saying anything. After trying more or less unsuccessfully to get her to talk, the older chicks were suddenly starting to ***** like crazy along the lines of: How can a guy in my age (late 40'!) start hitting on a 18 yr old, yadeeyadeeyadee. For a moment I was really pissed. Later I thought they were just jealous.

Anyway, the young girl turned out to be the girlfriend of one of the guys working at the bar. No chance.

All in all I had a good time. The part-timer host, Dennis, is a blast, he made the whole crowd sing and dance told funny jokes, I didn't get most of it.

If you should go there stay at the small hotel downtown, maybe 3 KM from the club: Chinese Name/Restaurant. Very nice, clean, great breakfast, E 50.

I guess, I am ready to fly East to BKK and PP. See my reports in the Cambodia and Thai section.

Happy mongering.

Optimist

05-24-05, 11:13

Just so readers can make the connection - this is the renamed place that I and Whitey previously reported on as Partytreff Hasslinghausen. Frankfurter highlights the difficuties inherent in a small club. But it sounds like it's still as sing and wave your arms as it was when I went.

Frankfurter

05-24-05, 12:59

Yes, absolutely, Shiatsu is right:

The overall atmosphere there is good, if not great, you sure will have a good time, even if the the selection of performers is somewhat limited. Did I mention the food?

Optimist

05-24-05, 20:37

Rereading my recent comment it sounded a bit grudging. If wsg members read my earlier report they'll realise that the place on the night I went was absolutely amazing - lively was not the word. If it suits you it could be heaven - but it is difficult if you speak no German and are not a joiner in of groups. My visit was one of the more memorable and amusing of recent years. If you are interested then go back and read earlier reports for more detail.

Very intrepid of you Frankfurter to find the place. Thanks for the report

Mufu

05-29-05, 09:43

I arrived on a Thursday afternoon (6pm) in Mettmann and was alone until 9pm when I left. There were 4 girls present (1 girl and 3 ladies) who did make some effort to animate that dead evening. I cannot complain about their performance.

Mettmann is (was) interesting through its ambiance; without patrons it is sad and there are cheaper alternatives. I hope this was a coincidence; but in any case I will avoid Mettmann during the weekdays

Iseeu

06-11-05, 23:17

3 nights in NRW - 2nd nite: Mettmann

Spent 3 nights in D-dorf a couple of weeks ago. Spent 1 night at PSW and 1 in Mettman. On the other night I couldn't get out of a business commitment which ended at 1 a.m.. Too late to go to any of the clubs even PSW which suposedly closes at 4 a.m. See my PSW report posted earlier today.

It was a Weds. night and I had planned to visit my favorite Beverly. But a business acquaintance mentioned in passing that he heard about the treff scene in NRW and was thinking of trying it for the 1st time. I told him that Mettmann was considered one of the best and wasn't very far away. I also told him about Beverly and that I was planning to go, but he said that that was too wierd for him and would be harder on his conscience (why???) and asked if i would "show him the ropes"...

So we looked up the "Back to Mettmann" page which advertised special summer rates of 100 Euro and a special Mega GangBang on Wednesday nights with Sabine and Iris. He was hooked ( saving 30 Euro apparently was enough of a hook), and I couldn't abandon him alone to the metmann "wolves" his first time ever, so I went along.
It was ironic because metmann was the club that I went to before discovering the delights of Beverly. I was a little apprehensive due to some of the more recent reports here and I hadn't been back in a couple of years, actually since b.b. (before bev).
Apparently, the summer promotion is successful as there were between 15-20 men. Only 4 sp - Sabine, Iris ( mid 30's) and 2 regulars (1 well past her prime, but very active drawing in the older men, and 1 slim brown haired woman, who was the nicest of the lot)
It still is I think the most uninhibited of the partytreffs. Action at the bar, in the dining area, in the large bathroom and jacuzzi. The main bedroom was always busy and occupied. Sabine and Iris were clearly setting the tone and initiating the crazier action. But they were not open to advances most of the night, only to the men they personally selected, clearly not the MO of a partytreff, and my friend was put off or rejected by Iris ( the more attractive of the 2) 3 times.
After the other 2 women left at about 11 p.m. they pulled all the men left into the bed, for a group COB.
After showering and a last beer on the house, we left again the last ones out.
Summary - still not for everyone. Definitely not FKK level sp. The amateur Bev women are IMO more attractive, friendlier and more available. My friend will probably go back again next time in the area. I probably won't, but at least this time, my going along with him could be good for future business, so I gave up my night in Bev for a good cause.

Sorcerer

06-13-05, 00:15

I gave up on Mettmann a long time ago. The women are "professionals" and not very friendly. They do ther group "sessions" on their own timeschedule. Last year I was there early evening in the summer and everyone was sitting outside on the enclosed patio. I was "refused" twice becuase I tried to take one of the women to the back off of the "planned" schedule.

I prefer Beverly - it's a bit kinkier, but a lot more fun

CBGBConnisur

06-17-05, 01:57

A lady in the Beverly wanted me to fuck her without a condom, she was grabbing on my dick. I would never do this for an average looking woman.

Travelforfun

06-23-05, 15:21

Are such ladies pretty regular at mettmann or would you term this to be a stray incidence :)

How many regular "Ladies" are present in mettmann on any given day. Can you brief us a little.

Travelforfun

06-27-05, 15:31

Read so much about her..can anyone send me a pic of her,

Can't wait to see the goddess.

Graham Cooke

07-01-05, 20:01

Over the past couple of years I have read with guarded suspicion the reports of the Beverly devotees not entirely convinced that they were spinning on behalf of the Club. So last Friday (the last Friday of June) I went to investigate myself. In fact, in the interests of producing a balanced report I visited four times in the last year, as I felt a representative seasonal mix was required before I passed comment. I can confirm that all I have read by said posters was entirely correct and for the sake of the record I add my own two penny worth. Incidentally purely by chance I met the wonderful Cordelia, not at Beverley but at another place and I have to say that she is drop dead gorgeous!

Beverly is for those who, like me, enjoy the morals of the farmyard. There two scenes. Firstly there are the couples who frequent the disco and bar consorting with other couples and enjoying the relative privacy of the rooms upstairs. Exhibitionism is rife and those couples not enjoying the sanctuary of pairing off upstairs will be seen in the padded public rooms unabashedly sharing in the company of perhaps 4 or five other couples and several willing singles. In one of the public rooms there is a suspended saddle and a gyaeno chair as well as stocks and restraining straps.

Then there are the singles and last Friday when I visited with my mate Meat Cleaver there were perhaps twenty single men and a dozen single women aged between 20- 45.

The dress code is erotic. The men wear skimpy figure hugging pants or swimming trunks and the women wear a range of outfits from bikinis to natty little topless / bottomless numbers and high heels or boots. The mood was light hearted on Friday and the action was in full swing when it all came to a halt. The disco went silent; the music was turned off and in walked Four stern faced police officers, three men and one woman. It was clear that they were police officers as they were wearing clothes. An armband distinguished them as Customs officers and they were looking for illegal workers. So everyone congregated around the bar not knowing what would happen. I joined a discussion with a German guy who told me that his wife would never come to a club like Beverly so he had to visit discreetly on his own. He was celebrating as his wife had given birth that morning. Hmm, not sure about that one.

After about 40 minutes the police left and the party went into full swing. In the disco area there was an attractive blonde girl wearing a pink dress and dancing with her partner. Later, Meat Cleaver and I watched her seated on a bar stool, pink dress hitched up making love to her partner. If I was a porn video camera man I have to say that by chance I had the perfect camera angle to capture the scene. Not far from that couple was another attractive couple, both naked, enjoying sex variously on the dance floor and by the bar. They finished and walked naked across the disco to the showers.

Drinks are included in the price of admission -125 Euros for a single bloke and the buffet is not the only spread you are likely to get.

Yes, the club is unashamedly good fun and the visitors there to enjoy themselves in the liberating atmosphere of like minded adults. I am not sure about the big overweight bloke having a wank in the bar whilst watching the porn movie on the television but, no one seemed to care and, I suppose each to their own.

CBGBConnisur

07-03-05, 07:13

German women are amazing much better than the crap I used to deal with in the US. Before visiting Germany, I judged it by its most famous export, $100,000+ luxury cars, if a country that is associated with Mercedes Benz, Porsche, and BMW, German women must be really expensive, but I was surprised despite being the richest country in Europe, although currently in severe economic crisis, German women are the least materialistic women in the civilized world.

Klon15

07-03-05, 17:26

Has anybody tried www.baldis.de in Lengede? It SEEMS nice, but any info would be great!

Klon

Mufu

07-04-05, 20:58

Lengede, Sutthausen and Wagenfeld belong to the same group. At least in Sutthausen and Langede, I could see the same long haired mediterranean manager which I hate! Well I was not going to have anything to do with him anyhow!

In that three Partytreff,the girls are far above average and can rivalize with FKK. Of course the sessions are most public and fast jerking off the patron is a goal. But nobody will complain about the number of rehearsals you want to do; on the contrary they appreciate physical performances and your physical fitness is the sky.

Some german forum do rate Baldy as the best of 3 but my feeling is they are not competing in the same run:

- Wagenfeld has the nicest girl, a great pool and action splits into private rooms (open door) and bar
- Sutthausen is exhausting the patrons by frequent actions (like it or not)
- Langede try to have themas, my visit was "tahitian" and we had to wear the flower collier.

Ronnie

07-05-05, 18:38

Both baldis and Wagenfeldt looks very interesting. Anyone got link to Sutthausen?

Iseeu

07-05-05, 19:46

Mufu,
Are all 3 in the Hannover area?

Optimist

07-06-05, 15:03

Sesameking - I will send you a photo of Cordelia who is now at FKK World for a while. Just want to say that, whilst she is attractive and good at sex, she is an ordinary person and not a goddess! Nobody could live up to that!!

Graham - Cordelia was really electrified by your fleeting contact.

Mufu

07-06-05, 20:15

Baldy's is on the road from Hannover to Braunschweig.

Sutthausen is right on the Autobahn Ausgang Osnabruck-Sutthausen.

Wagenfeld is in the middle of nowhere north of Osnabruck.

Travelforfun

07-07-05, 08:07

Thanks Shiastu,

Im no brad pitt either , but from what i have read about her i cant wait to see and meet her sometime in future.

Somehow looks matter only as much as the first eye contact after that its who who are and how well u get along with people is what counts and from the reviews of people about Cordelia she seems fit for every title bestoed upon her.

Sorcerer

07-08-05, 01:36

WOW Graham - the title of your posting scared the heebe jeebees out of me. I am a frequent Beverly visitor and was convinced that this is all legal. I guess it is by your posting - I bet your heart was pounding hard ...

I hope to return in a few months - glad you enjoyed it.

Sorcerer

Blake

07-08-05, 13:11

Anyone got link to Sutthausen?
The Sutthausen place is actually called Partytreff Osnabruck. Try http://www.partytreff-osnabrueck.d

Optimist

07-08-05, 14:33

maybe i'm offtopic again. the police checks do not seem to be anything to worry about - an fkk was checked just a few days ago for illegal workers and ****. there were no problems. passports and documents were checked. the girls kept out of the way as they believe the police take snapshots for their personal souvenir albums (i prefer the story i was told in czech republic where the police got free sessions...)

it seems to be a heightened monitoring period connected to the accession last year of the east european countries from which there are still restrictions on working in germany.

CBGBConnisur

07-09-05, 00:15

you don't have to worry about 5-0 when you visit a prostitute in germany, its perfectly legal, unless you solicit one on the street. i think the only bad thing about german cops is that they love to give very big($1000+) speeding tickets, the richer you are, the more expensive they become, interesting setup, i got a ticket for about 3k on the autobahn.

Sorcerer

07-09-05, 00:55

I spoke to my management friends at Beverly. The police visit was exactly what everyone is saying. They come in to look for illegal workers and other illlegal activities. Never find any problems and leave with a smile.

Beverly has very good relations with the police, but the "inspections" must be random. In fact Beverly works with the local police to make sure the club is always safe for guests. If they have a problem with a guest getting drunk or misbehaving, the police assist. They wait outside the club's door. Then they "discuss" with the troublemaker why he needs to leave on his own. It is rare that they need to enter.

The regular guests understand this and that is why no one really over reacted.

Peter

07-09-05, 09:42

CBGB,

3K? You must be incredibly rich.

Generally fines in Germany are means tested, so that they have the intended effect of being felt by the receiver so it is a deterrent.

But you must have been going 260 through an 80km zone and tailgating to get that sort of ticket.

CBGBConnisur

07-10-05, 19:14

i made the foolish mistake of assuming that since i was in germany, land of autobahns, i could go as fast as i want. i was going way over the limit and ignored the signs that specific road i was on had a speed limit.

Euro100

07-10-05, 20:18

germany is not finland!

in finland a world record for a speeding ticket was established by the owner of the nokia phone company, exactly because there the tickets are proportional to the income.

in germany, however, you can look up the fines in the bußgeldkatalog:

(http://www.bussgeldkataloge.de/)
geschwindigkeitsüberschreitungen mit dem pkw:

folgende strafen gelten für pkw ohne anhänger und motorräder.
ab 40 euro kommen 25,60 euro gebühren hinzu.

innerhalb geschlossener ortschaften (gilt auch für 30 km-zone !)
bis 10 km/h 15,- eur
11-15 km/h 25,- eur
16-20 km/h 35,- eur
21-25 km/h 50,- eur, 1 punkt
26-30 km/h 60,- eur, 3 punkte
31-40 km/h 100,- eur, 3 punkte, 1 monat fahrverbot
41-50 km/h 125,- eur, 4 punkte, 1 monat fahrverbot
51-60 km/h 175,- eur, 4 punkte, 2 monate fahrverbot
61-70 km/h 300,- eur, 4 punkte, 3 monate fahrverbot
über 70 km/h 425,- eur, 4 punkte, 3 monate fahrverbot

außerhalb geschlossener ortschaften (z.b. landstraße, autobahn)
bis 10 km/h 10,- eur
11-15 km/h 20,- eur
16-20 km/h 30,- eur
21-25 km/h 40,- eur, 1 punkt
26-30 km/h 50,- eur, 3 punkte
31-40 km/h 75,- eur, 3 punkte
41-50 km/h 100,- eur, 3 punkte, 1 monat fahrverbot
51-60 km/h 150,- eur, 4 punkte, 1 monat fahrverbot
61-70 km/h 275,- eur, 4 punkte, 2 monate fahrverbot
über 70 km/h 375,- eur, 4 punkte, 3 monate fahrverbot

the "punkte" that this table talks about are collected over extended periods of time and then gradually purged from your record. too many points and your drivers license is gone.

but a $3k speeding ticket is not possible.

euro

Iseeu

07-10-05, 20:47

Euro100 - nice research.
So I guess we've all been treated to another masterpiece of fiction by our very own spinner of tales... what else is new?

Peter

07-10-05, 21:57

€100,

Thanks for setting me straaigth on that. I know most fines in the courts are means tested, I assumed traffic fines in such monumental heights might be too.

CBGBConnisur

07-11-05, 00:01

Euro, are you referring to Jorma Ollila, the Chairman of Nokia? Nokia is a public company, and only 2 percent of the stock is owned by insiders. I guess by European standards I would be considered very wealthy but not by New York USA standards.

Euro100

07-11-05, 03:59

CBGBC: I was actually referring to Anssi Vanjoki, co-owner of Nokia.

Well, a bit of googeling revealed that my world record info is already outdated. Now the holder of the record seems to be a 27 year old owner of a sausage company. Here is the BBC report:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3477285.stm

170,000 euros for going 40 km/h too fast. Now that's a penalty!

euro

Klon15

07-11-05, 07:54

enough about speeding, let's return to partytreff.

k

Iseeu

07-12-05, 20:23

Euro100,
Anssi Vanjoki is a senior VP, who has serious blocks of Nokia stock, but definitely not a co-owner. It's a public company.

CBGBConnisur

07-13-05, 05:05

A more interesting question, what kind of income would a guy need to pull an FKK babe out her profession and have her become his exclusive mistress? A Swiss German lady I met in New York told me her ideal man needs to earn at least $200,000US, Swiss women are supposed to be a lot more snobby than German women. I doubt the typical FKK girl makes more than $50,000US a year working full time, and I really doubt this type of job is a long term career goal for them.

Peter

07-13-05, 08:41

CBGB,

Your estimate of what they can earn is pretty much on the spot. About 200€ a day is the real limit over a longer period.

For love I know girls who have left the business got married and had kids (and I am talking about the hottest girl I have ever seen in the business, I'll try and attach a pic) with a soldier who earns about 30K€.

The sort of lifestyle that you can live for $100,000 plus is more than they have ever gotten used to.

Even though you did well with it for a, sadly, brief time, it is not a good idea to take up a relationship with an FKK girl. Be very careful about assessing a working girls personality. Remember at some point she decided to fuck guys for money, that might be what she is doing.

But I have a lot of respect for a lot of these girls, but I know a lot more about their stories than most of you would ever want to know.

CBGBConnisur

07-13-05, 14:04

So you're saying an annual income of a 100K is enough to keep your typical FKK girl happy?

What do you think is the main issue with getting personal with an FKK girl? The one lady I got friendly with had too innocent of a face to work in such a business as I recall, seemed as though she just got stuck doing it as a way of supporting herself. A lot of local guys have told me about the "trouble" these girls are capable of causing, listing problems such as immigration(some want a Visa to get into a Western country), organized crime, even diseases(these girls have sex with hundreds of strangers).

BTW, I'm thinking the 50K is what they make before taxes. I am assuming clubs take a cut of their fee as well.

Peter, as far as the hottest girl you have met in the business, what does she look like? What's her nationality/ethnicity?

Peter

07-13-05, 19:25

Club is definitely not taking a cut at all. The money is 100% the girls thing. There is no money withdrawn for taxes, it is a cash business and off the books. A lot of the girls who have decent legal papers give them to another girl who works a legit job using her papers. This legit job gives them income and keeps them socially insured. The girl working that job keeps all the money, and the pro keeps her sex money. It works out for all of them.

But 50K nett is pretty decent money. Won't buy you a mansion, but can get you a long ways towards a comfortable life in Eastern Europe. A lot of their money goes to supporting their families in Eastern Europe, so unless they are very sefish they can keep about 25K€ a year as savings. That with an average career of 4 years means they can get 100k€ together to start their life.

I would not worry about disease, but depression and the general mistrust of any man she knows has ever gotten involved in the business is tough.

I forgot to upload and will again.

The best looking girl I ever knew in the job is a German of Polish descent called Domenika, who is now fully pregnant (7th month) and marrying a british soldier.

For those who like darker girls I ran into another girl who left the job for a guy earning under 50K the other day. anna. She has been out of the job for about a year now. I miss her, she was a great girl.

CBGBConnisur

07-13-05, 23:03

So how does the club make its money then? I remember at Babylon last fall, I gave the bartender 80EUR and she then gave the girl about 50EUR, I was able to count it because the transaction was made right in front of me. There are lots of EE women working at these clubs, but I was more curious about the local women who are permanent residents of Germany, who are ethnic German and mixed in with a large number of Turks and a few Greeks.

Henio

07-13-05, 23:33

So how does the club make its money then?

Entry fees, from both guests and girls. Should'nt you know this?

Chivaz

CBGBConnisur

07-14-05, 01:16

When I went to Babylon, there were only two other guests, at best probably ten people came in that day I was there, and I remained til closing. The entry fee is about 35EUR, so all they collected for one day is 350EUR? I think the bouncer at Yab Yum in Amsterdam or Le Baron in Paris probably earns more than that. From what I know, when I was speaking with Eric Dexter a few years ago, the club got a percentage of the girl's fee. Seems to be a different business model from what I have seen elsewhere in the world particularly in Amsterdam and Sydney, where the club takes about 40 percent of the lady's fee, hence the reason why services in those cities are expensive relative to Germany.

Euro100

07-14-05, 01:42

Well, I don' tknow about Babylon, but at FKKW and the other clubs around Frankfurt the girls also pay when they enter. So, while it is true that the clubs do not get a direct cut of the girls money for each trick (which would be illegal, by the way, in Germany), the clubs do make money off the girls.

Peter's estimate of 200 euro a day for the average girl may be right. In order to get 200 euro, they will have to do 6 half-hour sessions, because they first have to earn back what they spent on entrance fee and transportation to the club. But there are quite a few girls, at least at the big clubs near Frankfurt, that easily take 3 or 4 times as much. A 40-minute romp with CIM is 200 euro all by itself. And for many of them a half hour is typically no more than 10 minutes; so sometimes 3 or 4 customers in an hour are possible.

euro

CBGBConnisur

07-14-05, 02:13

I'm sure in the NRW, especially in the smaller red carpet clubs, the ladies make less than 200EUR. I remember the Paris Hilton lookalike I met in Bonn(similar to Sammie in PHG, I actually thought this one was more attractive) probably saw two other people besides myself. The top percentile of Frankfurt women earn a 600-800EUR a day, even there I would wager most women probably top out at 200EUR a day. Gosh, I used to pay most women in NYC about 600EUR for a 15 minute "hour".

Regardless of what these ladies earn, the message I am getting is that they don't always just go to men with money, which is my usual assumption when it comes to exotic attractive women. I guess I spent too much time in the USA.

Frankfurter

07-14-05, 08:55

OK, enough about all the clubs in NRW. I haven't seen a post about smaller clubs (see my posts from a year back) in the Southwest, i.e. "PPKorrekt", "Spritzehaus" or any other club etc. Anybody 've been there recently? Info would be appreciated since I'm coming back from Asia soon.

CBGBConnisur

07-18-05, 02:05

The bigger Frankfurt clubs probably get about a 1000 visitors a week(World, Palace, and Oase), is this accurate? Or is it slightly more or less? My guess for some of the midsized NRW clubs is around 200 visitors a week for the better known clubs(Bernd's, Samya, and Babylon). I actually had the idea of investing in one, seems like the best way to make a lot of money quickly in Germany, I recall reading somewhere that the sex industry is the most profitable industry in Germany after luxury automobiles. Shrub seems to really be fucking up things in the US, anyway if Kerry won it wouldn't be different, because neither of them are the ones who really run America.

Peter

07-18-05, 07:55

CBGB,

Stop thinking that the FKK's in Frankfurt are gold mines and all others are empty all the time. NRW is the most populaous Province in Germany, and Holland, which borders it, and whose residents seem to frequent some NRW clubs exclusively is the most densely populated country in Europe.

I know that PHG used to (2 years ago) average 150 customers a day, with peaks of 250, putting them at the 1000 mark no problem. They may have dropped off 20% in the last year, but no more than that. The parking lot will hold over 100 cars. Remember that club has 27 rooms, which is more than any frankfurt club has. The total facilities might be smaller, but the number of rooms is higher and the number of women working on a given day is identitcal.

I would say Goldentime has picked up the number of customers that PHG used to have. On any visit that I have been there at, there have always been 50 men at a time, the average stay is 4 hours, so they end up having a turnover of 3 on a table (restaurant terms). I have been there on days when they have asked people to share lockers, or put stuff in the office. They have over 100 lockers for men, so do the math.

Wildenrath is not all that busy, but they pull off about 300 a week, sometimes 500. As little as 5 years ago, they had up to 1500 guests a week (I talked to management on this).

The busiest club I know of is a Red Carpet Club in Bochum, Freudenbergstr 39. This place is at the end of a highway exit (almost its own exit) on one of the busiest and most congested highways in Germany. The door rings on average every 2 minutes. Guests stay less than 2 hours, but I would estimate 300 guests a day. The entry fee is lower. Also regarding what girls can earn, the numbers are not higher for the frankfurt area (unless she is a hustler who can upsell really expensive extras all the time, or a superstar who averages 10 rooms, even on a slow Monday).

I know of a former Atlantis Superstar named Katja, who works at Grimberg Sauna (a Red Carpet Club) because she earns more than she did in Frankfurt. She is supposedly so good that I know people who drive up from south of Stuttgart just to see her. She takes about 10-12 customers a day, and works on a rewservation basis. She said in Frankfurt there was not as many men who ended up in the club (different men, who are regulars).

An ex nurse of mine (reeally from the hospital) worked in Freudenberg39 and said she was pulling down 400-600 on a shift. I thought that was high, but she says there is such a turnover of customers, and it is the only club you can average 10 rooms a day at, and she was very good at getting customers to request add ons, making her rooms average 60-80€ instead of 20€.

Remember in Frankfurt the girls have to pay 65€ entrance and 15€ sleepover charge a day, adn that has to be earned first. The high add on charges also keep many customers to the 50€ program.

In PHG and Goldentime the girls pay 100€ a week, and can stay over for free. so if they are working 5 days a week, that is 20€ a day. The upcharges that are more in the 25-50€ range mean there are a lot more regulars who go for 2 hour sessions, or opt more and more for the add ons (anal is 50€ only vs. up to 200€ in Frankfurt). So while many girls only get 4-6 rooms, a lot of these are 100€+ bills. But on average a girl can nett 200€ a day, some exceptions. every club has slow days where there are too many women and not enough days.

A lot of peoople think it is a good idea to invest in one, and if located, planned and managed properly these can be very profitable establishments. But if done improperly they can be the quickest way to the poorhouse. Think of OaseII near Aachen. It cost something like 4 million € of investment and was open for the grand total of 15 minutes.

finding an area that will tolerate a brothel, where there is adequate population and an underrepresentation of clubs, and then being able to attract and recruit girls, and hold yourself against the current types of prostitution and their related elements is not very easy.

If you can find an area in Bavaria within 50KM of Munich that would allow such an establishment, and you could find a decent property to build it on (or rebuild), you would have no problem attracting lots of girls to the new area, and you would get tonnes of customers. Why did no one else come up with the idea? Because you will never find a community anywhere near Munich that would even contemplate tolerating it.

CBGBConnisur

07-18-05, 18:25

Bavarians aren't very tolerant of the sex trade in their state, I already know its the most conservative region of Germany, Mr. Dexter gave me a heads up a very long time ago that Munich is a waste of time for mongering. As far as FKKs are concerned I was also thinking of the Netherlands, preferably in the Amsterdam region, which gets a lot of traffic. Its easier to live there as an English speaker than in Germany. A friend of mine who knows the owner of Babylon recommended I try the Netherlands instead. There aren't any FKK type nude brothels in Amsterdam, and it might be the ideal place to get customers and find women.

As far as Babylon, the owner of the club owns two sister clubs, Wiago and Colleseum in Augsburg.

Wanking

07-18-05, 19:49

An Fkk in Amsterdam would be fantastic...

Peter

07-18-05, 19:54

Does he own colloseum too?

That club actually gets good reviews compared to Babylon and Wiago which are still under boycott (because of their price strategy) on most of the german boards.

Amsterdam sounds like a good idea, but FKK's are a tough sell in Holland. Not to the customers, they flock in droves to the ones in Germany. I would say that 30-40% of the customers at Goldentime and PHG are dutch. It is a tough sell to the women, and those associated with the women. The Ying Yang is the second club in Holland to try the FKK concept, and the first to do it for the German prices. The only other clubs is the Badda Bing, which is closer to Amseterdam. They do charge much more than more than FKK's. I know a couple of old Wildenrath girls who have headed there to ply their trade. Classics like Shirina and Nadja (Nadine the bar girls sister) and Eva. They are all 27+, but some of the best pros of all time. They say they can still make good money there because the prices are high,a dn they cannot find any dutch girls to work.

The dutch girls are used to the Red Light District scene where they can rip customers off for low price and with little or no service. For them FKK's are something horrible, they are expected to offer a fair service for a fair price. These girls are what drive the dutch customers to Germany, and the biggest hurdle to overcome. If you want to import women you have to get involved in a criminal elemnt that you should avoid. Getting girls to come from Germany is an alternative, but only if you are giving them an earnings guarantee. Also, the people associated with the girls currently working in holland in other circumstances might well try to impede you.

I would enjoy this business from the outside and not get personally involved. Trust me. I actually know a lot of the people who own and run clubs, and I don't want to trade with them. I also make sure never to accept favours from them. I'll take a 15€ discount on entrance every now and then, but never more than that.

CBGBConnisur

07-18-05, 21:55

Colleseum is his club, its part of the reason why Wiago and Babylon slipped in quality, quite a few girls from those clubs work at Colleseum. There are also some women from Atlantis working there. Stella is there. I have not seen Shirina, are you talking about Shirina from Babylon?

A business model for a club in Amsterdam will have to be different from a German club. The services in Amsterdam seem to cater to tourists, while those in Germany cater to locals. There are many brothels that operate profitably in Amsterdam even with the RLDs.

Peter

07-18-05, 22:45

Shirina never worked in Babylon. She worked in Schieferhof, PHG and Wildenrath. She is not worjking in Colloseum, they are working in Badda Bing in Holland. I know I don't write than unclearly.

There are clubs that operate very profitably in Amsterdam, and they charge a lot more than FKK's, and they want to keep it that way. Some of these clubs used to operate in Germany well too (and in Bavaria and non FKK regions some still do). They do not want an FKK where you get fair service for a fair price, and the profitability of the place is based on having a lot of customers.

Real FKK's that operate on the right side of the law (and Babylon is worrisome in this respect) make all their money exclusively on the entrance fees of the men and the women. They are in no way financially involved in what happens between the women and the men. That way they are not in danger of fostering prostitution, or living off the avails, which are still illegal in germany.

FKK's break the price paradigm, and make stuff transparent. sort of like the Target of commercial sex. There might be some cheaper alternatives (Wal Mart - trader Joes, Dollar shops), but these places offer a wide group of people the opportunity to purchase what seemed beyond their means. Other retailers don't like these supercenters, but consumers do.

the same can be said of FKK's. If you try and open one up, better get some protection, even in Holland.

why don't you do it in Australia? I know there are legal brothels there. You can probably get some FKK girls to give it a shot if you pay for their flight and ask them to stay on a 1-3 month tourist visa. Many would enjoy the travel and the adventure.

CBGBConnisur

07-19-05, 00:11

This is a different Shirina we must be talking about, the one I knew, worked in Babylon, and was friend of the girl that I used to hang out with outside the club Chanel. That was the girl who gave me the bad news about Chanel's accident.

I have already taken into consideration, the security issues involved in opening up potential competition. I understand that the Dutch brothel owners in Amsterdam might have a big problem with this. I'm not too sure about what you were trying to say about German FKK and Bar Club(rip off establishments in Munich and other German cities) owners. If I open a club in Holland, am I going to get heat from FKK owners in Germany because they feel I am stealing their Dutch customers? Or if I opened one in Germany, am I going to get trouble from local FKK owners because I am competing with them as a foreigner in their local territory? In other words, the German FKK owners are going to have a serious problem with a Yankee opening a club that competes with their establishments? Or am I going to have problems with German bar club owners because I might steal away their business by offering a better product for less money? As far as Australia is concerned, I think I might get more customer and talent traffic in Europe(especially because of the large EE influx in the Western European countries), especially in Amsterdam which is a major tourist magnet for those seeking adult entertainment. The tourist element in Amsterdam seems more ideal from a business standpoint.

Peter

07-19-05, 07:22

I cannot imagine how you have earned enough money to contemplate this when you cannot even read and comprehend english.

The German FKK owners couldn't give a shit if you opened a club in Amssterdam. The DUTCH owners of the Night Clubs (Rip Off Bars) will have a problem with it, as well as the DUTCH pimps of the girls who work in these clubs AND the Red Light Districts in Amsterdam and other Dutch cities near you.

This might take the form of violence or might be more subtle like when they arrange to have official approvals of building permits etc. delayed or denied. Many a hopeful FKK owner has been left sitting on a white elephant.

If you do open it, I expect free entrance for life.

CBGBConnisur

07-19-05, 13:52

I will take that into account, I am actually going to work with a local on this. There are lots of foreigners in an and around Amsterdam, I won't need to simply rely on Dutch talent anyway. I could never pull this off in Australia, there I would have to hire Asian talent, because the Australian clients prefer Asian women, which means I would have to deal with some very unsavory people because of the very stringent immigration laws in Australia. Lets face it the laws in Europe are more relaxed compared to Australia and the US these days regarding foreigners. There are a lot of people I have seen in Europe who wouldn't get through the first door of the DIMIA.

Travelforfun

07-19-05, 15:48

How much do you think the total inveestment add's up and ROI.

If you are lookin for a partner i would be interested in a small equity as well if it fits my finances.The idea seems to be just right.

If you consider you can mail about the project .

Peter

07-19-05, 19:48

Good luck finding an adequate location in or around Amsterdam in a neighbourhood with adequate parking and where the neighbours and the planning commisions will tolerate the use of the facility ffor brothel purposes. The dutch are quite conservative, even if they allow Amsterdam to be a mecca of debauchery, near their homes they want everything neat and tidy.

but good luck, keep us updated.

Iseeu

07-20-05, 02:31

Why is all of this inane, and knowing one of the participants' adherence to reality and truth, probably fictional, discussion happening on this forum? Do we all have to read through this crap to find reports on party treff?

At least here it's not about race, geo-politics , american politics and world economics like the other off-topic discussion going on (with the same particpant) on the "Other FKK Clubs" forum.

Lover Boy #2

07-20-05, 08:05

CBGB=Annoying Geo-political monger

Your idea won't work...you are doomed to failure in Deutschland or the Netherlands. Believe me and save your time and money. I grew up in this, have tutored you before, but you will not listen, I know.

Your best chance is a Love Bar in Pattaya, Thailand. It's a crapshoot, but if you can entertain your customers, maybe you will have a good book of cummers.

Give up your ideas in Europe. There are many homegrown gangsters/entrepeneurs/connected people who are better at this than you can ever hope to be.

Lover Boy #2

07-20-05, 08:09

This is my number 100 post. I would like to devote it to CBGB, the guy who makes me believe that social intercourse on the subject of mongering (usually an enjoyable subject)....can be very annoying when he is involved. Why not start your brothel in New York?...and leave us alone with your theories and disertations. Thank you.

Lover Boy #2

07-21-05, 09:03

This is an open letter to CBGB in response to a PM from him that will be kept private.

Hello CBGB,

This is an interesting message. Believe it or not, if you were to be successful at this I would be very happy for you, but I honestly don't think it will happen.

I was half joking with you on the board and I probably went too far. This is my reason;

In an effort at outing myself, I am Loverboy from JRSSG. The Loverboy on this forum is some guy in the US who was not on JRSSG to the best of my knowledge. I am the European Loverboy that used to argue with you on JRSSG along with Seasoned Pro and Screwdriver. The old days were fun. You have always had your own opinions....like I remember the one about the police in Germany being idiots (my brother is with the Federal Police by the way)....but it has all been in good spirit and fun and I understand that you have your right to say whatever you want.

You have described yourself in many different ways, at different times, on different forums. The reality is that you might have had some discrimination against you occur and that makes you mad...as it would anyone. You just seem to take this issue and run with it in a way that makes no sense to me, on issues that I believe I have some knowledge of. I grew up in the FKK system and the euro brothel scene, coming from Dortmund, as you might remember from our arguments. I also lived in Norway for a while before emigrating to the US and to go to university (actually not far from CBGB!)

In any case, what pissed me off was that you went into this story about Eric Dexter that is impossible. Eric was not the guy that was taking people to Germany on CFIT, that was "Bob" the Austrian guy. So to say that Eric was the guy that you learned from absoloutely baffles me. Eric had a good forum and I spent a lot of time working on posts to make sure that everyone had a chance to experience the FKK's in good ole Deutschland. I spent at least a hundred hours editing posts and being very specific about the girls, the locations and what roads to use to get there. I used to be good at this because I wanted to spread the word. Of couse, the dick-wad ruined his forum, locked the posts and then got "funny" with the guys who had spent a lot of time working on his board. "Wizard" who was also a large contributor also bailed out. Wizard, in fact, introduced me to this forum that I use quite a bit since being transferred from my cushy job in Europe to a not so cushy situation in the southern US and S.A.

So, what I am rambling on about is that I think you have been not so honest in some posts recently and quite frankly I have often wondered your reason for some of the posts you make. If we are not honest with eachother, this whole thing is a waste of time. Honour among *****mongers is important, because the other side of our transactions can be treacherous....so our only hope is to have the best info. when venturing out.

As you know, English is not my primary language, so maybe I have not explained too well what I mean...but I think if you are introspective, you might understand my meaning.

That's all. Have fun in New York, Germany, Nederlands, or whereever you might wander. You might have the utmost fun if you just chill out a bit.

Peter

07-21-05, 19:32

LB2,

You grew up in FKK's? Wow!

Euro100

07-22-05, 03:13

It is interesting to me how many of us migrated over from ********** to WSG. What a difference in the way that this forum is run. Eric had a really good thing going and screwed it up beyond belief.

I also used to post under euro100 in **********, and my experience was the same as that of LB2. What a waste of all of our time and effort :(

euro

Euro100

07-22-05, 03:16

Hey, cool!!! When I typed the name of Eric's forum, the software automatically substituted the row of stars for that forum. Jackson must have a special script running for this. But there is not need to worry about the competition any more, Jackson. Eric took himself out.

euro

CBGBConnisur

07-23-05, 04:31

Dexter used to maintain an annual top ten list of the best FKKs, he used to refer to his tours as fuck fests, and they were, I probably fucked over 30 women on each 5 day trip. Back in 2001, I spent about $2000US for fucking those thirty women including entry. If I were to fuck that many women in New York, I could buy a brand new Porsche Boxter nicely equipped.

Lover Boy #2

07-23-05, 06:17

The original FKK list (of the best), in the English language, was actually published by a German guy in 1998 who published under the initials "MH" (MH's Favorites). Banker has the original post on his website, but it has little meaning in the current environment. It is funny though and a lot of people credit the information with introducing a lot of Americans/Canadians to the FKK scene, to the dismay of some Germans who loved to go to their little place and be at one with themselves. The FKK Party in Aplerbeck was the prime example of this.

The top ten list on JRSSG was actually done by another German guy named Kaleu who was a friend of "Seasoned Pro" and not Dexter. In fact, I was told that Dexter eventually ventured to Germany a few years ago and was not too happy with the scene he experienced.

Kaleu's list is not a forum, and is certainly not in competition with this site, so I will post the English language version here;

http://www.kaleus-clubindex.de/kaleu/fkk-en.php

This site came out about 5 years ago, and again, it is like a library reference. Jackson, if this is some transgression, please delete the link and my apologies.

CBGB, the F-ckfests were Seasoned Pro and Screwdriver, the adventures are still all over the net...I believe Dexter was back at his desk trying to figure out how to maximize dollar potential, but of course he f-cked his site in the progression from friendly place to go to money maker. That said, I'm glad you popped a lot of babes for a great price!

Peter, yes, I was there at the first appearance of the FKK (using the new meaning of the words)....and spent many a fun hour/day in this new culture. It was a tough upbringing, but someone had to do it!

CBGBConnisur

07-25-05, 17:18

Lover Boy, for a second I thought you were Kaleu on the other board. I bunch all those guys together for briefness. Didn't you go by the name of Rolf on the other board?

Peter

07-25-05, 20:36

Kaleu is actually Kaleu on this site too (at least he was before the last update). He is completely inactive at the time and in love, and has been out of the game for almost 2 years now. He wrote me once when he saw a pic of a girl right up his alley, but he has been able to resist temptation. Good for him, but I can be in love and still fuck a pro.

Wanking

07-25-05, 20:46

Peter,

does your girlfriend know you fuck Pro's ?

CBGBConnisur

07-25-05, 21:02

Why do German women seem so unafraid of strangers? The answer?
Oh I forgot Germany is a socialist paradise, which means your pretty much guaranteed not to starve or spend time on the street, turn to a life of crime, etc when things go bad. I would be amazed if the average German or other EU national could last a few days on their own with no money or support(friends, family, social services) in New York City or maybe Detroit or Los Angeles. The record holder, a Bavarian blonde by the name of Claudia, left after 26 days. America is the world's biggest corporate salt mine, America's economic strength was made on the broken backs, sweat, and blood of the average American worker. Its no take it easy and relax lifestyle like it is in Europe, Canada, or Australia. Few Americans really get anything at all for their hard work. Every time I am in Europe, I feel like I am in Walt Disney World, Australia feels like Disneyland Anaheim.

Iseeu

07-26-05, 00:23

CBGB(= Can't Believe this Guy's Bullshit),
Please stay away from our forum unless you have something relevant to say.

Why do German women seem so unafraid of strangers? The answer?Oh I forgot Germany is a socialist paradise, which means your pretty much guaranteed not to starve or spend time on the street, turn to a life of crime, etc when things go bad. I would be amazed if the average German or other EU national could last a few days on their own with no money or support(friends, family, social services) in New York City or maybe Detroit or Los Angeles. The record holder, a Bavarian blonde by the name of Claudia, left after 26 days.

America is the world's biggest corporate salt mine, America's economic strength was made on the broken backs, sweat, and blood of the average American worker. Its no take it easy and relax lifestyle like it is in Europe, Canada, or Australia. Few Americans really get anything at all for their hard work. Every time I am in Europe, I feel like I am in Walt Disney World, Australia feels like Disneyland Anaheim.

Where do you get this sh*t from anyway? You must have a very strange but productive imagination, but why do you insist on posting this garbage to us innocents. we want to read about partytreff- that's why we come to this thread- not your misanthropic fantasies.

I know that you'll probably ignore this request and continue to post your ridiculous, jingoistic, misinformed, stereotypical and pathetic monologues.
Do you really think that anyone of us care what you think about the economy, the perceived differences between nationalities and races ( which seems to be a fixation with you), women, geopolitics, or the orice of tea in China? Are all Europeans, Canadians and Australians taking it easy and relaxing all of the time? what Bull...

Lover Boy #2

07-26-05, 09:56

Ok...so here is a swinger club/partytreff that I know of;

http://www.susiundjuergen.de/index2.htm

I have been to this place a few times and I always had a good time. I did go everytime on the super party night which is the first Friday of the month.

The system at the club is set up much the same as Beverly in that there are legitimate couples, single women and a few "ringers" to keep the action going with the men.

All of the information is on the site. The club is at Maintal - Bischofsheim, a bit of a drive from Frankfurt center.

I was able to have a sexual encounter with many (3 actually) of the non-pro women, who had come with husbands/boyfriends and two of the semi-pros. One of the semi pros was named Bianca and she was excellent, with solid 8-8.5 looks. I believe she was from someplace in the old Jugoslavia. Many of the women were dressed in stockings, garters and high heels.

The buffet was passable, the drinks were good and everything was included in the admission which changes by the event/night.

This is to be looked at as a second tier type of club when compared to Beverly. It is smaller and you might have to put in a little work to get the wives/girlfriends, but I do feel that the majority of people came to swing/party and not just be tourists and look around. This was the best thing about this club....the people came for action.

CBGB....yes Rolf is my name....I didn't remember that I used this on any forum. I am a *****monger and proud. I think the suggestions are good...let's just trade pertinent info and leave all the bull for someplace else. No one wants to read about all this "off topic" stuff (racism, who opens their legs faster or the price of tea). Let's trade monger info, use it...and SMILE!

Iseeu

07-27-05, 01:07

LB,
I was there on a cold wintry Friday nite last year. Poor turnout, and while the people there were very friendly, I as the only single guy, had a hard time breaking he ice with the couples to get into any of their action, which is definitely not my experience at Beverly. Though from your post it looks like it deserves a 2nd chance.
And thanks for your support in tryng to get this board back on track...

CBGBConnisur

07-27-05, 19:07

I have visited two Beverly and I didn't find it difficult to find available women. Some of them are quite attractive, but as far as Beverly is concerned, you might be put at a disadvantage if you cannot speak German. Always wear black boxer shorts and t-shirt(except on FKK night). Though one of the locals told me, if an athletic hung African male went in there and spoke no German, he would have no problem finding willing ladies. Beware of Beverly on certain nights where they have programs for homosexual males.

Lover Boy #2

07-28-05, 06:18

"Though one of the locals told me, if an athletic hung African male went in there and spoke no German, he would have no problem finding willing ladies".

It's funny, I heard something very similar. If an athletic, hung, Thai man went in there and spoke no German, he too would have no problem finding willing ladies. The informer told me to include Burmese (Myanmar), Indonesian and Surinamese. On Saturdays, extremely well hung Tajikistani's and Finlander's...I am told....do very, very well.

Peter

07-28-05, 07:56

Loverboy2,

Although I understand your sentiment, let's be honest, there are a lot of white women who harbour a fantasy of having sex with a black man. significantly more than who want to sleep with some gay thai ladyboy.

In germany when Heidi Klum married Seal, and Jessica Stockmann (the ex wife of Michael stich - the tennis player) started dating a big black american stock broker, and Gina Wild started fucking that singer Akon and one other high profile White Chick/Black Dick couple, the newspapers and magazines were full of stories about the "mystery of the black man, and why german women are so attracted".

There were interviews with psychologists and other experts, and it all boiled down to "they have an animal magnetism and the mystery of the unknown" and implied "They have huge donkey dicks".

We can be all PC here, but there are a lot of women out there that want to try fucking a black guy, especially in the swinger club scene

Lover Boy #2

07-28-05, 08:13

CBGB...."Though one of the locals told me, if an athletic hung African male went in there and spoke no German, he would have no problem finding willing ladies".

Peter....."We can be all PC here, but there are a lot of women out there that want to try fucking a black guy, especially in the swinger club scene"

There are certain things in life that are implicit (i.e. inherent in the nature of something)...and don't need to be discussed to death. My point is that CBGB constantly brings up this kind of stuff...always playing the race card. This has gone on for many years. To CBGB's comment I say......No shit!....to Peter's comment I also say....No shit!

I am certainly not trying to be PC....in any sense.....although sucking a black dick in a swinger's club might as well be considered PC. It's just that I am aware of this, have been aware of this and will be aware of this....as I believe everyone here is. I think this is about 'Partytreff". We don't need this played to death race card being played at every juncture....nor do I believe does anyone here need implicit reminders. We are all big boys. Partytreff!...Party on!

CBGBConnisur

07-28-05, 14:03

One of my friends who is a US Marine, was stationed in Germany for a few months. He is black, and he showed me a picture album from the time he spent there. He had a bunch of photos of very beautiful German and other European women all over him. I talked to another friend of mine who is black about it, and he said his cousin experienced the same thing when he was in Germany. It seems to be an exotic thing, there aren't a lot of black guys in Germany, even a few other ethnicities seem to grab the interest of these women, an Australian friend of mine who went to Turkey in July, saw a lot of German 20 somethings hooking up with local guys, who happened to be dark looking, he thought it was one of the weirdest sights he has ever seen. I don't think all German women are like this, the more upper class and educated types certainly aren't, then again I doubt these types of German women would be spotted in a swinger club.

I have known people who feel threatened when they see a black guy with a white woman. I am not one of these people. Some of the most beautiful women I have met are a product of such relationships. I know some locals who love Latin women, one of the reason why Latinas are so good looking is due to their biracial heritage. I prefer biracial women, who I find to be the sexiest. In Germany, there seems to be a lot of part German-Turkish or Arabic women, where I am right now there are a lot of East Asian-European mixed race women. In the States, I have seen a lot of half-European half South American or African American women who are stunning. Mariah Carey is half Irish.

Peter

07-28-05, 20:19

CBGB,

Drop this whole "Germaqn women like dark guys" shit.

Everyone is curious about fucking different races. In FKK's I have fucked pretty much every race I can think of, wnd when i hear a giorl is a race I haven't fucked I am curious just to get another UN country crossed off the list.

This is the case with women too. In Germany, Turkey, Africa and the US.

In places where everyone has dark hair I am exotic and get chicks easily. In america, which you think is the most racist place on earth, there are whole worlds of porno called White Chick/Black Dick. Go watch a bunch of that and be assured your world view is correct.

If all you want to hear is that every hot woman in the world wants to fuck a guy from New York of Turkish descent, then I'll sign an affidavite that that is true, if it will shut you up on this topic.

We all know black guys have donkey dicks and girls just can't resist it.

Iseeu

07-29-05, 00:18

LB,
Touche. I'm with you on this. I'm sick of the veiled racist, stereotypical garbage, brought into this forum and dragging it down into the gutters.

Alot of CBGB's posts are just not true and he has been called on this a bunch of times. Ever notice how many posts he's withdrawn after being called on facts? Last week he wrote that all foreigners living in germany must undergo HIV testing. False. Ever notice how many "friends" he just happens to have with insights to a topic he wants to write about. Just in this last post...A marine, a black, an Australian. Doesn't add anything constructive, just keeps pulling this forum and others off on inconsequential tangents.

Peter,
I agree 100%, but really, what bothers me is not to be PC. It's that these are horrible generalizations about nationalities, races, genders of the lowest possible type, with no constructive, instructional or informational role or aim other than the authors own need. These posts are written as if factual whereas i'm convinced that the majority of them are fiction based perhaps on tiny kernels of truth.
It's not just blacks and whites. Although he writes;
"I am not one of these people."; the very fact that he keeps going back to generalizations about race, color, shades, indicates that this is something that bothers him and reminds me of the famous "Some of my best friends are black/Jewish..."

Let's drop all of this shit and try to ignore posts that stray from the purpose for which this forum exists.

As LB wrote: party treff, PARTY ON!

CBGBConnisur

07-29-05, 00:35

Peter, um, when did I say America was the most racist country on Earth? I have mentioned a few Asian countries as well as France having serious racial problems on an another thread, but I never said this about the US. I have mentioned, about several hundred times, about my contempt and dislike for all American women, black, white, orange, yellow, or anything else.

Oh, by the way, my moniker, stands for Charles Bale of Great Britain, I was actually born in the United Kingdom to a British father and a Sicilian mother. I moved with my mother to New York City when I was four years old, eventually became a US citizen. Who said I'm Turkish??

Euro100

07-29-05, 05:36

CBGBConnisur,

You keep singing the same stupid racist song again and again. I just went down the list of your posts, and after checking the last 75 I gave up. There is not a single useful original piece of information in them. Only your typical drivel putting down some part of humanity or another, again and again.

I have never flamed anybody on any board, ever. But I gotta tell you, Charles, or whatever your name is, for you I am making an exception. If you cannot post anything useful, why don't you just fucking shut the hell up.

Now, from here on I will never respond to any post of you again, and I encourage the rest of the board to do the same thing.

euro

Bruce Ley

07-29-05, 06:52

Loverboy2,

Although I understand your sentiment, let's be honest, there are a lot of white women who harbour a fantasy of having sex with a black man. significantly more than who want to sleep with some gay thai ladyboy.I also understand your sentiment, Peter, but from a strictly scientific standpoint, aren't you comparing oranges to apples? To make your comparison legitimate, you must compare an atheltic hung, black male to an athletic, hung Thai/Asian or white male. To compare an athletic black man to a fat white man or a skinny Asian man then concluding that women would prefer that black man is a no-brainer. I guarantee you that most women would prefer an atheltic and hung white or Asian man over a short, fat, and stubby-dicked black man.

Basically, I have trouble following your logic. I'm not trying to argue with you, just pointing out some inconsistencies.

CaptainNemo

07-29-05, 15:00

Euro100, Iseeu and Peter
I couldn’t agree with you more.

I wish that there were a rating system for all of people on this board. Senior members can vote for everyone’s contribution. Everyone can see how we feel about each other.

Some of people I want to give a star for their contribution. Some of them, well, I want to throw a rotten egg on their faces.

Marconista

07-29-05, 16:29

How come nobody has suggested to Jackson that CBGBConnisur have earned to have his own thread within the FKK-thread, similar to what NIBU got in South America and elsewhere he is posting?

I vote "AY" !

CBGBConnisur,

You keep singing the same stupid racist song again and again. I just went down the list of your posts, and after checking the last 75 I gave up. There is not a single useful original piece of information in them. Only your typical drivel putting down some part of humanity or another, again and again.

I have never flamed anybody on any board, ever. But I gotta tell you, Charles, or whatever your name is, for you I am making an exception. If you cannot post anything useful, why don't you just fucking shut the hell up.

Now, from here on I will never respond to any post of you again, and I encourage the rest of the board to do the same thing.

euro

Peter

07-29-05, 19:14

Marco,

Back in the old days I thought CBGB should have had a NIBU like thread, but then I thought he was getting a lot more constructive in the last while, and I actually thought he was getting picked on too much, so I sided with him.

Bruce Ley,

Interesting sociological experiment. Why don't you apply for a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation and study it for 6 months scientifically and get back to us. I would put money on it that if you were to poll 300 white women fom predominantly white areas and on the basis of a "one night stand - only" "No relationship allowed", that 70% would pick the black guy, 20% the white guy and 10% the asian guy. If the question were for a long term relationship I would bet on 10% Black, 70% White and 20% Asian.

If you did it the other way around with women of each race for men, the asians would be above the black girls in most circumstances.

There is something more ominous and threatening/protective about black men, and they do tend to be significantly more muscular (except for some north and north easter african nationalities) than most asians., that appeals to women more. And the more demure nature of asian women appeals to men more.

But do the study, and let us know.

I didn't mind that this thread was hijacked, because I find party treffs silly anyway. I would much rather read a good old fashioned flame war.

Neurosynth

07-29-05, 20:19

If the biggest problem this board is CBGBC, then as someone who has been on *lots* of boards I've got to tell you that this place is in great shape, and so don't worry about it so much.

If you feel compelled just make a short post now and then something like "Hey CBCGC, you're still wrong!" and leave it at that. Nothing can kill a thread like a big clog of meta-discussion.

As for the topic of race...as long as things are the way they are race is a totally legitimate topic for a SexGuide type board. If I was a Black guy reading about commercial sex in Europe my very first question might be "Yeah, but how will my being Black make things different for me?".

Apparently sometimes, with some women, it works in a Black dudes favor. Good for them, although I've no doubt it doesn't compensate for the 1000's of unfair slights imposed on them on a daily, perhaps hourly, basis.

And for that matter, there *are* commercial places, and individual women, who discriminate as a matter of course.

This should all be fair game for good discussion and good information...regardless of the poster's race.

Bruce Ley

07-29-05, 21:11

LOL. If you give me some of your hard-earned dollars, I might actually take you up on that offer. But I'm not spending my money on it.

My point is that regardless of what the AVERAGE black, Asian or white man is like (Don't you see how FLAWED your logic is -- or are you just being obstinate because of your firmly entrenched, stereotype-entrenched race-related beliefs regarding sexuality?) - you must have a CONTROL group or criteria to effectively determine whether or not it really is the BLACKNESS of a black man that women are drawn to.

In other words, you must eliminate any other discrepancies in characteristics, whether they are physical or behavioral, to have a fair comparison. Thus, the ONLY difference between the men must be skin color. Only then can you conclude definitely that white women are more drawn to blacks than white or Asians.

So for example, the best possible experiment to determine whether a white (or whatever) woman will prefer a black man specifically because of his black skin is to have three men - one black, one white, one Asian - all of comparable looks, height, muscularity/build, social status/wealth, cock size, personality, and attitude/skill with women - then let them have a go at approaching the white women. Only then, based on the results of that tightly controlled experiment, can you conclude that white women absolutely, unequivocally have an attraction to the black mystique.

Otherwise, your arguments just don't hold up - they are based on fairly subjective analyses about black and non-black male sexuality. Furthermore, if you do believe what you believe - by default you should believe the same myths about black, Asian, and white intelligence. I find it a bit puzzling how some men, regardless of racial or cultural background, are so quick and eager to jump on sexual stereotypes, but are overtly cautious when it comes to racial steretypes that measure other qualities such as intelligence, for example.

Look Peter - I don't mean to corner you (you do seem a bit annoyed and agitated in the quote below) but I'm going to call out an incomplete, shoddy, SUBJECTIVE analysis by anyone, even someone as respected around here as you, Peter. I do have my opinions on things, and this is it.

Bruce Ley,

Interesting sociological experiment. Why don't you apply for a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation and study it for 6 months scientifically and get back to us. I would put money on it that if you were to poll 300 white women fom predominantly white areas and on the basis of a "one night stand - only" "No relationship allowed", that 70% would pick the black guy, 20% the white guy and 10% the asian guy. If the question were for a long term relationship I would bet on 10% Black, 70% White and 20% Asian.

If you did it the other way around with women of each race for men, the asians would be above the black girls in most circumstances.

There is something more ominous and threatening/protective about black men, and they do tend to be significantly more muscular (except for some north and north easter african nationalities) than most asians., that appeals to women more. And the more demure nature of asian women appeals to men more.

But do the study, and let us know.

I didn't mind that this thread was hijacked, because I find party treffs silly anyway. I would much rather read a good old fashioned flame war.

CBGBConnisur

07-30-05, 00:05

Most of the Asian women I met are bitches, they only want to date you because you are their ticket to the West. Otherwise they could not care less about you. I have been to Asia a couple of times and did not find the women to be so attractive, some men like them, some Germans I meet ask me why I skip Asia completely. I just have not found them to be very sincere. Most of my mongering is limited to Europe and Latin America. As far as FKKs and Partytreffs I like them more than going to a number of countries with active mongering including Thailand, Canada, England, France, and the Caribbean. I find Mexico to be shit compared to the German FKK scene, ever go across the border near the US and you will find out why. Other parts in the southern part of the country might be better. Speaking of Mexico, I did see a rather fine half Mexican half German desk clerk at my hotel in Dusseldorf, she was an exact replica of Jessica Alba but unlike Alba who is a stupid Ameritwat(Anyone who thinks Fantastic Four is better than the masterpiece that is Batman Begins is a retard and I will personally shoot them), this lady spoke with a beautiful voice, she reminded me of the German-Turkish Goddess I befriended( this was an FKK girl I met a few weeks before September 2001). It was a nice place but breakfast one morning was really noisy, a group of Cornell University students, all of whom were American females were babbling loudly at breakfast using saying "Like" and "Like this is so cool". I actually met the father of my departed love, he runs a kebab shop around Koln, and does not know that I knew his daughter.
In other news, a brand new saunaclub style brothel named Artemis will open in 2006, coinciding with the World Cup in Germany. The club is supposed to have a staff of over 100 women. If this is true it would be bigger than Oase, World, PHG, or Palace, which average around 40-50 women in each club. As far as my future establishment, I will start with about 12 women. My partner in Amsterdam has found someone to manage the club and I am going this month to look at some real estate. This way I will spent 6 months in Europe, and other 6 months Down Under. I am guessing I will stay in Europe from April to September, and in Australia from October to March(perfect time to see the semi-nude girls on Bondi Beach!!!).

Optimist

07-30-05, 11:01

Is it just me or is this thread now totally unreadable?. And irrelevant to the subject of partytreffs. Neurosynth says "Nothing can kill a thread like a big clog of meta-discussion" - and I would add irrelevance. We seem to have got to that point now. What do Jessica Alba, the Fantastic Four, Mariah Carey, Batman etc have to do with partytreffs?

Please, CGGB try to stick to the point of the thread.

Peter

07-30-05, 12:18

Bruce Ley,

Trust me, I was not agitated, still am not. I am a very calm guy, as the people on the board that have met me in real life can attest.

The point is that sociological experiments cannot follow scientific isolation criteria like a physics experiment. all the prejudices and preconceptions that inhabit general society are in the back of everyones mind in this sort of situation.

For your sort of experiment to work you would have to probably take either blind women, or maybe women who have been locked up obn an island free from all societal influence for their whole lives. That ain't gonna happen, so all these societal preconceptions, stigmas, and taboos fall into the equation.

There are societal and racial differences in a lot of parts of sexuality. If you don't think so can you please explain the South American proclivity to anal sex, the prevalence of rimming in the chinese sex life, the high proportion of japanese men that are into some form of bondage and domination of women, the number of British people that get off on spanking and all the other demonstrable differences that there are society to society. These influence our perception of good/Bad, acceptable/forbidden, pleasurable/avoidable and the like.

Regarding your innate intelligence ideas. As a person who travels to almost every continent on a yearly basis, it is very tempting to think that there are more and less innate intelligent races, and if not intelligent, then at least more and less hard working. Whether the very noticeable differences that do exist in general levels of comprehension (and I am taking into accont language differences) among the different countries are due to intelligence levels, societal expectations, or simply due to a lack of exposure to the proper teaching, food and other resources is not my area of expertise. But given the different levels of general societal education between the many regions of the world, it would follow that evolution adapts to this. That would mean that a European, whose culture has been among the most advanced for the past 500 years, where there has been no serious periods of drought and famine for protracted periods of time, and who has had great educational opportunity, could have developed more innate ability to become intelligent than people in subsharan africa where none of this has been the case.

The baby of a Crack whoar (had to spell it wrong to get it through the automatic censor) doesn't have nearly the chance of turning out with a 150 IQ that the child of two harvard professors do, or what do you think?

again, I am not hostile in any way. I am not PC, and I think it is legitimate to investigate whether the differences that due actually exist have societal, genetic or a combination of these as a cause.

so the scientific experiment you are proposing is impossible, a sociological one is possible, and there it is impossible to isolate irrespective of race and all that that entails.

Iseeu

07-30-05, 20:10

Well this is just great. Can't Believe this Guy's Bullshit (that's CBGB' sreal name) posts some crud and draws all of you into extended sociological discussions, etc.

As was correctly posted earlier, these long irrelevant emptyings of your ideological bowels is the surest way to kill a thread. We ( I speak for the silent majority of us) do want to share and trade info on partytreffs and not read this other stuff.

CBGB- your latest piece of trash was subpar. Only slightly hateful and racist. Most of us don't care what you have to say on any topic that pops up into your convoluted mind. You're just wrong.

Peter and Bruce Ley,
I think that CBGB would be a perfect specimen for your planned study. Please attach electronic sensors to all sensitive private parts. Maybe shock therapy will work and save us all...

Frankfurter

07-30-05, 20:26

Concerning CBGB:

There is the wonderful "Ignore list" function available to all of us. Why don´t you all use it concerning CBGB, please. If you always react to his BS (although, he was worse back a year or so) it wastes precious space on the forum and: it is just what he wants, I am sure he gets a kick out of it.

Lets get back to business, BTW, I´m heading to Oase tomorrow, Sunday, after lunch.

CBGBConnisur

07-31-05, 14:39

One thing about the partytreff scene is as a single male it really is below the level of FKK clubs. The Beverly which is supposed to be the best partytreff in Germany, I would rate the best women there a solid 8 out of 10, the only issue is that most of these were bar staff not engaged in fucking the customers. The other attractive ladies had boyfriends and were mostly there to be watched and to look at others. The best sex in Germany, possibly Western Europe(EE is the best IMHO) is found in FKKs. FKKs are dirt cheap, 50EUR entry and 50EUR for a half hour of sex, even the more expensive clubs, such as Babylon, which charge 80EUR for sex are reasonable next to what you can pay elsewhere. Oh I found out why Babylon was taking a cut of the woman's fee, they list the cut that they take as a "room" fee, a charge for using the room, or anywhere else on the premises for sex. That's how the club stays legal, they have gotten themselves into deep water a few times.

As far as HIV and having unprotected oral sex with a total stranger in a partytreff, it is a health risk. If you brush your teeth prior to the act, there is a good chance you might have a cut in your mouth, it might be small, but that is all you need. The lady might have something going on in her undercarriage, possibly a little bit of vaginal bleeding, even vaginal juices carry the bug. If it comes in contact with the cut in your mouth, if that person has HIV, you will get HIV. The chances of this happening are smaller than with unprotected vaginal or anal sex but there is a risk.

Peter, you are right, if you are blonde and go to a country where there are few, you will get a lot of attention. I remember Sabrina, a Bavarian blonde who worked at Bablyon, now works in Tokyo, she charges her Japanese clients 2000EUR a session.

Henio

08-01-05, 02:36

quote: "the prevalence of rimming in the chinese sex life"

This is the only interesting thing I have read on the last two pages. Did not know this. Can you elaborate on this Peter? Any idea why?

Chivaz

Lover Boy #2

08-01-05, 06:14

I have read all of the posts since the initial challenging of CBGB. I feel a little guilty for challenging CBGB, getting a PM from him (in reference to his upcoming brothel ownership) and then responding in post form on this forum. I then realized what had been started (after some other responses, some in PM) and tried to get this back on track to the fun/information of the Partytreff. Although this thread has been hijacked from "Partytreff", it is amazing to see the high level of intelligence and writing style of the guys on this board. Although I am not happy to see this hijacking, I am happy to share thoughts with people of quality and intelligence. I love discussing my favourite hobby with people of class and distinction. If you read other boards, it is not long before you realize that a lot of the guys are the type who are hanging out in a slum somewhere in the U.S. looking for a blow job from a disease infested, crack addicted, crack whoar (thanks Peter!). This board has a lot of guys who are the real hobbyists, as I consider myself. Even though I disagree with CBGB most of the time, he does have interesting information and is mature enough to take criticism without responding in the way I have seen others do on other forums. My hat is off to all of you!!

(Charles, I always thought CBGB was a reference to the famous bar in NYC where you have lived...sorry)

(Bruce, just for the record I am in complete agreement with your sentiments. I think the "donkey dick" thesis is a bit overplayed and there are sociologists who consider this belief a form of racism in and of itself. I am filing a post that addresses some of the issues you pose)

....and now a Partytreff report; (see next post)

Lover Boy #2

08-01-05, 07:15

A while back I had a few visits to the Netherlands Kasteel Waterloo, located on N271 between Venlo and Roermond. This is a swingers club that attracts mostly Dutch couples, secondly Germans and other foreigners in small numbers.

This place looks like a castle full of people who came to fuck. To the best of my knowledge, they had no professional help to keep the action going and the single guys happy. Once you pay you are on your own. I do not rec. this place for anyone who is shy or has an inability to mix with the crowd. If you are the type who needs to have women come up to you, or do not have the body style that swinger women want, it would be best that you go to another venue. You have to present yourself well to succeed in this place. They have a website www.kasteelwaterloo.com that explains directions and the nightly plan. One additinal factor is that this is not a black shorts or towel type of establishment. You must present yourself completely naked, so this place is not for everyone.

The first night I went there, there was a big crowd of over 70 couples and some single guys and women. I went to the very industrial looking locker room, shed my clothes, took a quick look in the mirror (said good luck to myself)...and went to the swinger area. There were all kinds of people here, very common to a real swinger club. I took a personal tour of the club to familiarize myself with the battlefield. I noticed that the biggest penis in the club belonged to a white man who had the personality of a rubber ball. He was well built, young and had that huge piece of machinery. I can tell you that baseball bat did not attract any women during my observations of the scene here, so this limited study might show that penis size alone does not get you sex, even in a swinger club.

There were a few women in the 9 plus range, some eights...down to zero grannies that do not interest me for this purpose. It does interest me that they are here in the first place, but that is another story. I noticed a black porno actor from Euro porno movies made in Czech Republic and Germany/Netherlands. He had a porno girl with him that I recognized from a film I had seen. I walked up to them, had a nice conversation....and about a half hour into this, he asked me if I wanted the girl. I said yes, they had some quick disscussion and she immediately began to tongue my special part. He watched for a while, then left us alone. The biggest problem in this place is the army of wankers that are naturally wanking while you are trying to have sex. I don't mind this, but the last thing I want to see is someone else's penis while I am trying to concentrate on pussy. This is a huge negative for me. You have to constantly tell the boys to move back while you are trying to concentrate and keep your dick hard. It is not easy. The black guy kind of disappeared, so I toured with his friend, which was good because now I had some very acceptable trading material. I was able to maneuver our small team into a room where a very, very beautiful Dutch girl was with her male friend. Some quick discussion and the porno girl was with the guy and I was with the new girl. She was excellent...one of my best swinger club experiences. After this, I went to the bar and socialized for a while with some couples that were there.

I noticed an unusually large amount of black men in the club at that point. I used this opportunity to do a brief sociological experiment. My observations were that these guys were getting some women because they deserved the attention they were getting. The fat, ugly black guy was not getting any pussy. The guys who were getting sex were well built physically (muscularity), were able to maintain an erection under very harsh conditions (discussed above) and were able to use their muscularity to thrust with decent power. In other words, for this swinger scene, they were good fucks. There were others there, black-white-other, who had penis' as large as the black guys who were not getting anything at all. I honestly believe that any tall, good looking, muscular guy with a decent penis who could maintain an erection would have a lot of sex, white, black or whatever. I also honestly believe that the swinger girls want performance and not bullshit. They are not looking for any relationship at all....so a good penis, attached to something decent....who can deliver the goods...is in.....others are out. It is a rough and brutal world in the true swinger scene where only the strongest survive (or at least get laid!!). The harsh fact is that fat white guys, fat black guys and others can forget about sex in this place unless the grannies get active (and this is not what most guys want). The scene at Happy Garden (about 35 minutes away) is much better unless you want to put up with what I have described.

I finished the night in a mat area where an asian girl was performing a gang bang. I was able to lose my last load.....but I was having some difficulty at this point with all the guys around, the beer and the third orgasm.

I returned to this club a few times (I think four)......and each time the story was pretty much the same. I befriended this Belgian guy and his wife who were always there and I was able to get more socialized in the sex scene, as the guy just wanted his wife to have a good time. I had a good time, but you really have to work to have sex here. It is almost worse than a disco, in that you have to be exactly what the woman wants (and don't forget you are naked). It is almost like some sort of a socialist experiment, although not everyone is truely equal in this setting.

CBGBConnisur

08-01-05, 13:35

Lover Boy # 2 not to pick a fly out of shit, but technically Kasteel Waterloo is a parenclub. Those muscular blacks getting pussy in Waterloo are paid staff, its even listed on the club website, that they bring in muscular guys for the pleasure of the women. Another fellow poster who used to be here, Wizard, mentioned about the black guy thing at this establishment.

Frankfurter

08-01-05, 18:37

Great time again at Oase, laying in the sauna and looking the girls parade outside in the park made me think that they should rename the club to "Paradise", no kidding. The receptionist girls seem to get a lot friendlier these days, at the end she asked, --with a big smile--, whether I had a good time and whether everything was OK. It was.

I arrived at 3.00 p.m.. was laying in the sun and had a somewhat OK starting session with Veronica, a tall girl with long black hair from Lituania. Her DFK are out of this world, it's like some warm, fleshy creature invaded your mouth, face , ...and later cock. Unbelievable. In the movie theather she made me come somewhat professionally, and rather quickly, with her very deep, hard BBBJ, which was a little bit disappointing.

But the day had just started. Two hours later a had a real GFE experience, --I booked one hour--, with the girl from the Dominican Republic.(there are only two black girls working at Oase currently, too bad that all the others are gone. Are they working at FKKW? She is not a solid 8 or 9 like some of the other Oase girls, but man, these sessions where really great! Highly recommend her.

What I was told is that the overnight rates are E 1000, which is quite hefty, since I just came back from Thailand and Cambodia, but the quality of the girls are really great.

After another session with her I left at half past midnight. One splendid, raunchy day.

Frankfurter

08-01-05, 18:39

This report was supposed to go to the FKK Oase thread, sorry.

Peter

08-01-05, 20:27

LB2,

I sadly have to side a little with CBGB (I thought it was the rock club in NYC too). Technically Kasteel Waterloo is in Holland not Germany. But thanks for getting the thread back on track.

now I am going to go a little off topic to answer a direct question...

Chivaz,

Rimming happens a lot in chinese lovemaking. My first exposure was in Hong Kong. among my first 5 mongering experiences 4 of them had versions of ass play. I can't speak the language so I was pretty much at the mercy of what the providers were offering. The first massages had a lot of rim stroking. During BJ's the girls just kept going south until they were rimming me. I have read the boards about it more and more, and now every time I monger in China I make sure to throw my knees behind my ears and get it "filled to the rim with brim" (Old coffee commercial in the US). No idea why it is pervasive, but it is, and i am not complaining.

Now back to party treffs.

CBGBConnisur

08-01-05, 22:13

I was actually a deciding a while back whether to visit Kasteel Waterloo or Partytreff Mettmann. I decided since Waterloo is in the middle of the boondocks with very few hotels in the area, to go to Mettmann. I paid about 100EUR for entry, saw Sylvia, the tall German brunette walked by and smiled a hello, she had remembered me from my first visit. I walked into the locker room, and saw a middle aged German and a very overweight Turkish looking woman undressing, weird sight. I quickly changed and went upstairs, walked to the bar and got a soda, next to me sat an English speaking woman with an accent straight out of Liverpool, her name was Claudia(I think that was her name), she told me she was German but spent a very long time in the UK with her boyfriend. She had a bit of an Ally McBeal look, she took me on a tour of the premises, I saw a large Roman bed with a bunch of men and women fucking in a very active orgy, then she showed me an S and M room. Next there was another large room, where a middle aged man was being double teamed. Claudia told me to jump on the bed and proceeded with a bbbj then turned her ass and planted it on my face, she had a pretty clean pussy, and was in good shape. After a few minutes of sucking she lay down, and then I proceeded to fuck her, one of the other girls came by and began to rub my balls as I was fucking her. I finally busted a nut, went back to the main room, where a buffet was being served and decided to eat. I sat down and rested for a while then walked to the main orgy room, I saw Sylvia getting fucked, stood on top of her mouth and waved my dick to her which she started sucking. As soon as she was done with another guy, she handed me a condom, and I started fucking. I was sweating like hell, and decided to go to bathroom and wash up. Then I went back to the main room and saw that strange mixed couple. The husband said her wife wanted to fuck me, I politely told them I was tired, walked down to the locker room, got dressed, then walked back up and asked the bartender to call a taxi. I took a taxi to Erkrath and then an S-Bahn to Dusseldorf and then a RB to Koln. I grabbed a Kebab sandwich and a coke from an Imbiss and then I walked around admiring the beautiful European architecture. Then I went to my short term rented suite and went to bed.

Euro100

08-02-05, 01:25

Technically Kasteel Waterloo is in Holland not Germany.

... after ...

A while back I had a few visits to the Netherlands Kasteel Waterloo, located on N271 between Venlo and Roermond.

... hmmm ...

Well, OK, Waterloo: Make sure you get there on the right night. I once was in the area on a Saturday night and wanted to get in there. No dice. They sent me away. Only couples on Saturdays.

Well, I never actually made it inside. So the only insight that I can contribute is to make sure that you get there on a different day of the week, not Saturday. Later I checked on their website, and I found out that Fridays are best for single guys. Or, if you like Dessoustag in an FKK, then you may want to go on a Wednesday.

euro

Iseeu

08-02-05, 07:31

Lb,
thanks for helping to bring this thread back to where it's supposed to be.

Just one minor point to correct. I've been to the castle on 2 Wednesdays, a Friday, and a Saturday (with a friend). Only Fridays are all in the nude. The other days have a dress code similar to Beverly's.

Peter

08-02-05, 19:46

Should I go look in the Holland section for some info on German clubs?

I feel sorry for any poor unknowing sod living between Venlo and Roermond with his wife thinking, "is there maybe a cool swingers club near here on the dutch side of the border where I can go with my wife to have access to some really hot couples including some black porn stars?"

He will never have his questions answered if he does the logical thing (see Bruce I know what Logic is - I have only written 5 published articles in 2 languages on 3 continents on the subject) and looks throughout the whole Netherlands Section.

Now let's get back to the xenophobic ramblings that have become the "PartyTreff Clubs" thread!

Sarcasm for those who don't realize it at first sight.

PS. Those articles in arcane phiisophical journals were probably read by fewer people than read my posts here.

Iseeu

08-03-05, 07:11

Who says that we're all just a bunch of horny middle-aged parasitic perverts picking up sex favors from the unfortunate, downtrodden, forced-to-sell-their-bodies-for-a-pittance, scum of society?
Which other group of mongers is privileged to sarcasm from a published writer in 2 languages on 3 continents? LOL
Kudos to Peter

Lover Boy #2

08-03-05, 08:07

"BLACK & WHITE PARTIES for couples.
One of the greatest nights of our club, the most successful party !!
This is another sexciting fun night.
Meet our Loverboys !!!
For those , who are newcomers
A lot of couples love BLACKMEN, good-looking & good-shaped with a big stamina.
It’s Number 1 on the wish-slip of many women.
That’s why we invite 6 till 8 Negros for our Black & White Party.
Those Loverboys wear special Outfits made in Roman Style.
Single ladies are welcome too !!"

"BLACK & WHITE PARTY für Paare.
Ein grosses Erfolg und Bedürfnis besteht für diese Party .
Für Neuanfänger:
Diese besondere Parties sind sehr geliebt von viele Paare, auf der Suche
nach starkgebauten Männer mit einem guten Ausdauer.
Besonders männliche Neger ( Black Men) haben bei viele Frauen
ein Platz auf dem Wunschzettel.
Deswegen laden wir 5 bis 6 Neger ein für unsere Black & White Party,
damit die Frauen-Wunschtraum in Erfüllung geht.
Die Lustsklaven tragen schöne Römische Outfits, so dass Sie gut erkennbar sind.
Paare, die nicht interessiert sind in diese lekkere Männer können sich ungestört
mit andere Gäste amusieren"

I saw this on the Kasteel Waterloo site after it was noted by Mr. CBGB. This is kind of interesting to me because of the dialog I had with Wizard about this years ago, when he was well and able to be trying out all the clubs. There were no "outfits" at the time...and they weren't referred to as "Loverboys".....which is well.....a bit not right....but.....Wizard posted that he thought these guys were US Navy personnel. I had talked to a bunch of these guys and they were not American. They were immigrants from Africa who came to the Netherlands to work, met some people, and got into this club. From what they told me, I did not believe that they had paid to enter, as they were not making that much money at their jobs. It now seems to be confirmed that they had some special deal with the club to come to this area of the Netherlands and offer their penis' to people who are fascinated with this fetish. Well, I am happy that they found a way to have some fun on a Friday night and possibly make a few Euros. They were working pretty hard.

Peter...The old people always felt that this part of the Netherlands should be part of Germany. Now with the FKK style clubs opening up in this area, it seems that they get their wish without war. Peace/out