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Wagenfeld had around 9 women...4 of which were very attractive. The other girls were just average (and below) in looks.
The ratio of guys during the week are pretty consistent...never tried a partytreff on the weekend but it seems like the number of girls increases to handle the extra guys who have the weekend off and have the time to visit.
Breadman,
Thanks for your comments, most helpful.
I am still curious about the ratio. Is it 2 girls:1 man or 5:1?
How difficult was it to get a better looking girl? Do you just take a number or queue up? Can you tell them to find you when they are free?
Thanks,
Bob
OK, just a couple more questions, what is normal for the number of girls? What is the ususal ratio during the day? More girls/men early or late? What sort of activities are available while the ole battery is recharging? Do the girls really get into the sauna? Most places it seems the girls are either not allowed there or are afraid of getting hot. Is there a place to take a short nap?
Bob
At PT Dorsten and PT Wagenfeld, there are from seven to nine women there on normal days (non-weekend days).
The ratio of women to men varies during the day, can't say more women than men earlier or later.
I wouldn't worry about what time to get there nor about the number of dudes there. You will be serviced and you will have your fill. I can't speak for weekends though.
And even if there are lot of dudes there, its only the ones who can still get it up you will be in competition with for action.
The women will go around asking who wants some and guys will actually say no, they need a break.
The sauna is the best place to get away for some quiet time. PT Dorsten has a downstairs resting area with reclining chairs. You can take a nap down there.
No, the women, as a rule, don't visit the sauna.
PT Wagenfeld has a pool but not all women will get into it. Patrizia would grab me by the hand and we'll go in and fool around. Nice wet and slippery.
Hello
I havn´t been to a party-treff club yet, If there are "working girls" there,
can you really have as much sex as you want ? just for the entrance fee !
Are the girls really keen of giving you good sex or is it just mechanical.
They cant earn much mony, maybe 100Euro /day ? and they must have sex maybe with 10-15 men every day, how is this possible, cant they have other "sexwork" that gives them more money, are they fat and old ?
Is it common that the men are giving them "extra money" I can thinking of doing that myself for better sex !
Is most of the sex going on "public" ?
I hope someone can answer
BL
If there are "working girls" there,
can you really have as much sex as you want ?
Yes, but not exactly as much as you want, it's more as much as your body will allow it.
just for the entrance fee !
Yes
Are the girls really keen of giving you good sex or is it just mechanical.
It's not exacly GFE, but they tend to be surprisingly enthusiastic.
They cant earn much mony, maybe 100Euro /day ?
They earn more due to the high ratio visitor/girl, even if you are allowed to stay all day, a lot of visitors come just for a couple of hours and go.
and they must have sex maybe with 10-15 men every day, how is this possible, cant they have other "sexwork" that gives them more money, are they fat and old ?
No, they are not fat and old, at least not at PT Dorsten.
Is it common that the men are giving them "extra money" I can thinking of doing that myself for better sex !
No, and DON'T EVEN THINK OF IT !!!
Is most of the sex going on "public" ?
Yes
I hope someone can answer
Yes
.. to Routard's comments.
Do not even think of changing the pricing structure. This will ruin it for all of us. You will not get "better sex" if you tip.
Put another way: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Yes, almost all of the sex is in public. If you have a problem with this, you should not go.
How difficult was it to get a better looking girl? Do you just take a number or queue up? Can you tell them to find you when they are free?
.. you just need to be at the right place and time and ask her if she is free. There are no wait lists or lines.
If you hit it off with her personality-wise, you will probably be able to see her a couple of times.
Your personal chemistry does matter too. Do not underestimate this. If you speak perfect Polish, you will be in seventh heaven at these clubs.
At Wagenfeld, they make it a point to meet everyone in the club so if you are just sitting doing nothing, women will even just come up to you to say "hi". This is why I like this club.
I always had a good time with Suzi so I always did multiple sessions with her in the span of a stay. She would, in fact, come looking for me and ask me for massages. These massages always led to sex.
Don't expect to be able to monopolize just one girls time though. They have to meet everyone at the club and they keep mental notes of who they've been with and who they still need to meet.
If she's free and nobody new has come into the club lately who she has to meet, and you can still get it up, there is no reason why you can't ask her for another session.
Pt dorsten
I was getting bored of “more of the same thing” by going to Palace and Oase every couple weeks. I have trouble believing that and I wrote it but it is true. I didn’t have as long a layover and the train wouldn’t get me back to the airport from Dorsten in time to make my plane. Soooo, I rented a car, GPS and all and pretty much without a hitch found my hotel and PT Dorsten. For those of you driving, get the map to PT off their site because the GPS got a bit lost in the back country.
This was only my second time at PTD and so I was totally surprised when Roberto, the manager, remembered my name and greeted me like a long lost friend. He doesn’t speak much English but he makes up for it by being a great heartfelt guy with a huge smile. OH, as a side note, I think he has the best job in the world.
I got there around 3pm and there were 8 girls and about 15 guys. That number grew to about 20 guys by around 7pm and an additional 2 girls showed up, including my new favorite.
For those of you who haven’t had the experience of PT Dorsten, you pay 100 Euro up front, and have as much sex with the girls as you want or can handle. As an indication that those of us who are partaking take the quantity potential seriously, during the last couple hours of the night most of the guys most of the guys have over done it to the point where they can’t come with sex or bbbj and the scene you see is 2 girls on 1 guy jacking him off --- and they keep at it as long as it takes. And for you newbies, yes, all sex happens in the open. There are two rooms that at any time have between 2 and 6 couples on the bed --- BIG BED.
No kidding, you might be lying on your back getting a bbbj and end up with someone’s foot in your mouth. If you are AT ALL shy, this is not the club for you. If you love watching sex as well as doing it….. PT is your place.
For the most part unlike FKK’s, it seems that most people don’t even bother to ask a girls name. The girls clean up between sessions, walk out to the hall between the two rooms and say “who’s next?” in German or Polish. Now, these girls are incredible at what they do. There is no time to watch, no flirting, no romance, no add-ons. No charges except the door charge and the girls are incredible at their job. They are heroes in my mind. I love sex and broke my personal record with 8 sessions but these girls must have about 25 sessions per day.
Nikki was my first today. She remembered me. WOW again. She is one of two Germans at the club. She has a slightly beaten face but has a hard body and tight pussy. She is also quite funny.
Brown Haired polish girl. I think her name is Alesia. Prettiest body at the club with perfect dimples on her hips (my fetish) perfect B cups and a tiny pussy. She isn’t exciting but she is like the energizer bunny with everything she does. This was my favorite session of the day by far. I must have been doing DATY for 45 minutes with my fingers buried deep inside her very very wet being. I saw her do hour long BBBJ sessions.
Blond Polish girl – black strap boots – she is slightly pudgy. In fact you don’t see too many 10’s at PT but who cares.
Dinner was served. The food is basic and well pretty bad but who cares what fuel tastes like.
A doe-eyed German blond grabbed me and as I lay down Nikki joins us. This is common if the girls aren’t all busy. YUP, they just jump in. BBBJ while Nikki is sitting on my face. Fucking the blond while Nikki is licking my balls etc…..Every once in while you catch a glimpse of the doorway while punters waiting their turn are watching everything.
No one at the club spoke much English and I love to chat and wanted to break the ice so I found some cards and pencils and passed them out so that when a guy came out of the room we could hold up the cards with a number on it grading him 1 - 10. That broke the ice from that time on the guys had a good comraderie too.
Blond Polish girl black boots.
Kinga - Short Polish girl with baby face. I freaked out when I saw her come into the club cause she was a mirror image of an old girlfriend. (from 20 years ago). The one overweight dark haired girl in the club joined us. She has huge boobs and smiles like an angel. And, well, she is quite talented. After an hour of everything my body rebelled and wouldn’t come. They immediately yanked the condom off, got the cream and went to work but I was tired and called a halt to the session. As we were getting up I explained to Kinga that she looked like my old girlfriend and we just clicked. When we went downstairs she came over and snuggled up while we smoked and had a drink. I hung around downstairs for an hour to recuperate and when she came down for a break came over and snuggled right up again. It was Kinga, 3 other girls and I snuggled on the couch. I had died and gone to heaven.
Well it was 11:30pm and time for one last session. The club had pretty much cleared out and girls were just lying on the beds waiting for a victim. I was obviously going to finish with Kinga when who should come over and latch on to me but my favorite brunette with the perfect body. All I can say is that I died and went to heaven. Both took turns on my member, while I played or DATY the other. It was all mouths, fingers and body parts. I had wonderful sex with Kinga and then finished with the other girl. I will remember this session for a long long time.
Xavier Yves
11-29-06, 22:23
Has anyone heard about Partytreff Sindelfingen near Stuggart?
Beckenbauer
11-29-06, 23:23
@ Deepvoid
Is Nikki the slim German with ethnic tattoos? As I remembered, she smells like a dead fish. That's why i have no interest DATY with her.
Pt dorsten
I was getting bored of “more of the same thing” by going to Palace and Oase every couple weeks. I have trouble believing that and I wrote it but it is true. I didn’t have as long a layover and the train wouldn’t get me back to the airport from Dorsten in time to make my plane. Soooo, I rented a car, GPS and all and pretty much without a hitch found my hotel and PT Dorsten. For those of you driving, get the map to PT off their site because the GPS got a bit lost in the back country.
This was only my second time at PTD and so I was totally surprised when Roberto, the manager, remembered my name and greeted me like a long lost friend. He doesn’t speak much English but he makes up for it by being a great heartfelt guy with a huge smile. OH, as a side note, I think he has the best job in the world.
I got there around 3pm and there were 8 girls and about 15 guys. That number grew to about 20 guys by around 7pm and an additional 2 girls showed up, including my new favorite.
For those of you who haven’t had the experience of PT Dorsten, you pay 100 Euro up front, and have as much sex with the girls as you want or can handle. As an indication that those of us who are partaking take the quantity potential seriously, during the last couple hours of the night most of the guys most of the guys have over done it to the point where they can’t come with sex or bbbj and the scene you see is 2 girls on 1 guy jacking him off --- and they keep at it as long as it takes. And for you newbies, yes, all sex happens in the open. There are two rooms that at any time have between 2 and 6 couples on the bed --- BIG BED.
No kidding, you might be lying on your back getting a bbbj and end up with someone’s foot in your mouth. If you are AT ALL shy, this is not the club for you. If you love watching sex as well as doing it….. PT is your place.
For the most part unlike FKK’s, it seems that most people don’t even bother to ask a girls name. The girls clean up between sessions, walk out to the hall between the two rooms and say “who’s next?” in German or Polish. Now, these girls are incredible at what they do. There is no time to watch, no flirting, no romance, no add-ons. No charges except the door charge and the girls are incredible at their job. They are heroes in my mind. I love sex and broke my personal record with 8 sessions but these girls must have about 25 sessions per day.
Nikki was my first today. She remembered me. WOW again. She is one of two Germans at the club. She has a slightly beaten face but has a hard body and tight pussy. She is also quite funny.
Brown Haired polish girl. I think her name is Alesia. Prettiest body at the club with perfect dimples on her hips (my fetish) perfect B cups and a tiny pussy. She isn’t exciting but she is like the energizer bunny with everything she does. This was my favorite session of the day by far. I must have been doing DATY for 45 minutes with my fingers buried deep inside her very very wet being. I saw her do hour long BBBJ sessions.
Blond Polish girl – black strap boots – she is slightly pudgy. In fact you don’t see too many 10’s at PT but who cares.
Dinner was served. The food is basic and well pretty bad but who cares what fuel tastes like.
A doe-eyed German blond grabbed me and as I lay down Nikki joins us. This is common if the girls aren’t all busy. YUP, they just jump in. BBBJ while Nikki is sitting on my face. Fucking the blond while Nikki is licking my balls etc…..Every once in while you catch a glimpse of the doorway while punters waiting their turn are watching everything.
No one at the club spoke much English and I love to chat and wanted to break the ice so I found some cards and pencils and passed them out so that when a guy came out of the room we could hold up the cards with a number on it grading him 1 - 10. That broke the ice from that time on the guys had a good comraderie too.
Blond Polish girl black boots.
Kinga - Short Polish girl with baby face. I freaked out when I saw her come into the club cause she was a mirror image of an old girlfriend. (from 20 years ago). The one overweight dark haired girl in the club joined us. She has huge boobs and smiles like an angel. And, well, she is quite talented. After an hour of everything my body rebelled and wouldn’t come. They immediately yanked the condom off, got the cream and went to work but I was tired and called a halt to the session. As we were getting up I explained to Kinga that she looked like my old girlfriend and we just clicked. When we went downstairs she came over and snuggled up while we smoked and had a drink. I hung around downstairs for an hour to recuperate and when she came down for a break came over and snuggled right up again. It was Kinga, 3 other girls and I snuggled on the couch. I had died and gone to heaven.
Well it was 11:30pm and time for one last session. The club had pretty much cleared out and girls were just lying on the beds waiting for a victim. I was obviously going to finish with Kinga when who should come over and latch on to me but my favorite brunette with the perfect body. All I can say is that I died and went to heaven. Both took turns on my member, while I played or DATY the other. It was all mouths, fingers and body parts. I had wonderful sex with Kinga and then finished with the other girl. I will remember this session for a long long time.
All the good info about PT Dorsten has me intrigued. What's the male/female ratio like in December and January over the holidays? I'm seriously thinking about making the trip during the upcoming holiday break and wonder if there will be any ladies available.
All the good info about PT Dorsten has me intrigued. What's the male/female ratio like in December and January over the holidays? I'm seriously thinking about making the trip during the upcoming holiday break and wonder if there will be any ladies available.
As to whether there will be enough women working, that might be questionable.
I have a post somewhere on this thread about what the last holiday season was like and though it addresses the situation at FKK clubs, I doubt it will be much different here.
Most of this team is Polish and they will likely want to spend time with their families.
Hollandmale
11-30-06, 10:00
What's the male/female ratio like in December and January over the holidays?I don't know the specifics for PT-Dorsten, but in most German clubs many girls go home from December 20 onwards for Christmas / New Year. Most clubs are closed on December 24 and 31. From January 7 onwards girls start coming back. In general the Christmas / New Year period is least attended by girls.
Has anyone heard about Partytreff Sindelfingen near Stuggart?
Sindelfingen, by the way, is where Mercedes Benz has its Kundenzentrum. If you opt for European delivery of your car this is where you come to pick it up.
They also run factory tours where they show you how they put their cars together. You get into a vehicle which drives you past the large presses and then the assembly line and eventually the Hochzeit; the stage where they marry the Karroserie with the frame, engine and drive train.
PT Sindelfingen has been reformulated and has a new website.
Below is a report by firewater1984 from January of this year:
So hier die Adresse.
http://www.bestladys.de/partytreff/
Aber mein Ding ist der Laden nicht!
Ich war einmal dort.
Es waren 3 Mädels anwesend
Alle irgendwie
Eine jenseits der 40, eine sehr mollig und die Dritte auch ziemlich mollig
DAnn leiber etwas mehr zahlen und wirklich hübsche Mädels haben.
Fazit: He was there once. There were three women, on older than 40, one chubby, one quite chubby. Better to pay a bit more and have really better looking women.
In other words: Ca vaut pas la peine d'y aller! Vaut mieux depenser plus pour des experiences avec des femmes vraiment jolies!
Xavier Yves
11-30-06, 19:32
In other words: Ca vaut pas la peine d'y aller! Vaut mieux depenser plus pour des experiences avec des femmes vraiment jolies!!
as far as I know, this PT actually request 110 Euros for entrance. More expensive than average :)
@ Deepvoid
Is Nikki the slim German with ethnic tattoos? As I remembered, she smells like a dead fish. That's why i have no interest DATY with her.
LOL - I think there is only one skinny tattoed Niki but in my two experiences with her DATY smelled of roses... well maybe not roses but not fish. Maybe it was cause both times I was with her early in the day - prior to the other 25 guys in line.... hmmmm
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I just found out from my doc that I got chlamydia at PT Dorsten. Given the incubation period I am certain of when I got it. A large handful of antibiotics from the doc dealing with the embarrassment of having to get my partner tested were the price to pay for almost 20 years of punting but I felt that I MUST let you know. And YES, chlamydia can easily be passed orally.
I am also somewhat convinced that the giver of this infection was the polish dirty blond with black lace up shoes. I saw a small sore on her after we were done.
...with my tail between my legs (for now) I say to my friends "Be Careful Out There"
d
Jimmy Smits
11-30-06, 22:49
I am looking at possibly coming over to Germany in mid January and really want to hit up a PT. Dorten seems to be the place for the type of girl I am looking for.
Questions:
1) Best airport option? Dusseldorf, Dortmund, or Frankfurt and rent a car? I would have a 3 1/2 hour layover in Frankfurt so I am sure that time would even out between flying into Frankfurt and renting a car versus flying into DUS or DOR.
2) If I fly into DUS or DOR can I get to PT Dorsten and I believe it's Heavensgate solely via public transit and thus eliminate the need to rent a car?
3) The last post about getting an STD at PT Dorsten now scares me a little.
Xavier Yves
11-30-06, 23:04
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I just found out from my doc that I got chlamydia at PT Dorsten. Given the incubation period I am certain of when I got it. A large handful of antibiotics from the doc dealing with the embarrassment of having to get my partner tested were the price to pay for almost 20 years of punting but I felt that I MUST let you know. And YES, chlamydia can easily be passed orally.
I am also somewhat convinced that the giver of this infection was the polish dirty blond with black lace up shoes. I saw a small sore on her after we were done.
...with my tail between my legs (for now) I say to my friends "Be Careful Out There"
d
can u tell us when you think this happened?
Sorry to read this Deepvoid, as we all fear to face your experience. But we all know that you will soon be back in the game!
Routard
Yikes!
I have often wondered about the risks involved. I try and stay safe and luckily I've not had a problem so far. Knock on wood.
But it is in the back of my mind.
Other than the list of typical STDs, hepatitis is another thing out there but, I've been told that you can be given preventative shots for it. Or is it only for a certain type?
One other thing to consider: if one of them has it, the others might be similarly infected too.
I'd really recommend a combined Hepatitis A/B shot - it is not expensive at all, useful when travelling and almost indispensable for punters.
DeepVoid:
Thanks for the warning!
The only way to reduce the risk of transmission of STD's is for both the ladies and clients to show an STD clearance certificate. It's pretty obvious she picked up the infection from one of her other male clients a week or two prior. Don't know for a fact. The best thing, avoid any thing high risk activity such as BBBJ, DATY, anal rimming, etc . Also keep a hat on at all times.
The only way to reduce the risk of transmission of STD's is for both the ladies and clients to show an STD clearance certificate. It's pretty obvious she picked up the infection from one of her other male clients a week or two prior. Don't know for a fact. The best thing, avoid any thing high risk activity such as BBBJ, DATY, anal rimming, etc . Also keep a hat on at all times.
Astor Bryan,
no offence but I think if you are having sex with a "worker" and you are so cautious that you are afraid to lick her or be sucked, well there is almost no point in doing in it in the first place. If you are worrying about catching an STD while having sex with the girl then it is pointless doing it, and you would be better off just staying at home jerking off. Im not saying throw caution to the wind completely, and I believe in covered penatration. I for instance have just come back from a club where bareback is the norm, but i used condoms. Thing is i enjoyed the sex without worrying was i going to catch something, because i had the major bases covered. Of course there is a risk in licking a bare pussy or getting a bare blowjob, but if you are going to worry about it too much whats the point??
DeepVoid sorry about your news.
Wan King I appreciate your comments, but sometimes in this business we are quick to blame the ladies for passing on STD's, when we as clients are just as much to blame. For example Guy A knows he is infected and allows Girl A to give him a bbbj. Girl A then turns around and DFK's Guy B. Guy B then turns around and DATY with Girl B, I hope you can see where I'm going with this. We as clients should be more responsible to keep every one safe. I'm sorry to hear about this guys predicament but any one of the guys who attended the party that day MAY have brought that STD bugaroo in with him. Just my .02cents.
First, I want to thank everyone for the support. You guys are actually very sweet and I appreciate that. Yeah, this is a risk we all have to deal with or live in denial with. I think I have done both. The only safe-sex is a method I personally cant live with. We each choose the level of safety that we can justify. Chlamydia is really low risk as long as it is caught. I have to bear a stomach ache from the antibiotics and the emabrrasment of telling my partner that she might be infected. THAT WAS THE WORST PART... but I am a lucky man and she understands that being on the road all the time.... blah blah blah....
As many of you indicated - it could have been worse. Being a VERY good boy, in that I will only do covered penetration, HIV is a lower risk but, Hepatitis, Herpes, Gonorhea, Chlamydia, Syphilis are still risks.
I want to also acknowledge Astor for his comment that we blame the girls. He is so right. This is something we do together and use each other for. I saw a sample for a dip stick you put under your tounge for 1 minute and it showed a color for the presence of each STD anti-bodies. Now that would reduce risk for all of us.
I guess its a game of statistics. I have been a hobbyist on and off since the mid 1970's. I got "G" in Thailand in 1976 from uncovered sex. No one worried back then. 26 trips to Thailand, 2X a month in Germany at an FKK for the last 6 years, plus all kinds of misc adventures in USA, France, Britain, Australia, Japan, China, Korea, Dubai etc... I am guessing I have had between 600 - 800 paid partners. That brings the total to around 1000 partners in 30 years.
That makes it 2 out of 1000 or 0.2% chance of an infection. The odds are not that bad but --- it will eventually nail us.
AGain thanks for the support. To quote McArthur - "I WILL BE BACK"
Reading all of this reminds me of Peter's story of his first paid encounter when he brought latex gloves along and the woman freaked out because she started to imagine the worst. :-)
You shouldn't throw caution to the winds but being too safe kills the mood quickly.
Xavier Yves
12-01-06, 23:41
http://www.party-treff-krefeld.de/
anybody has been to this place? Seems the cheapest partytreff I've ever seen
I am looking at possibly coming over to Germany in mid January and really want to hit up a PT. Dorten seems to be the place for the type of girl I am looking for.
Meaning you speak Polish? :-)
Are you a total newbie? If you are, you should probably start at one of the Hessen 3.
1) Best airport option? Dusseldorf, Dortmund, or Frankfurt and rent a car? I would have a 3 1/2 hour layover in Frankfurt so I am sure that time would even out between flying into Frankfurt and renting a car versus flying into DUS or DOR.
You are looking at about a 2 1/2 hour drive from Frankfurt.. plus your return trip so I don't know how you are going to do this in 3 1/2 hours.
Duesseldorf is a larger airport than Dortmund with more flights. Dortmund would be closer to Dorsten.
2) If I fly into DUS or DOR can I get to PT Dorsten and I believe it's Heavensgate solely via public transit and thus eliminate the need to rent a car?
Yes, this is possible but it is not a straight shot there by train. You will have to change trains in Essen if you are coming from Duesseldorf and at least one more time at Dorsten Bhf to make it to the Dorsten Wulfen Bahnhof. I have directions on this somewhere on this thread. Why reinvent the wheel...
See my post #934.
How well can you read German? If you visit the Deutsche Bahn website you should be able to figure this out.
www.db.de
or better yet, the Rheinbahn or Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Ruhr website:
www.vrr.de
You'll need to take a cab or a bus from the Dorsten Bahnhof and walk.
Heavensgate is across the Landstrasse from the PT but it is still about a kilometer walk across a highway overpass.
3) The last post about getting an STD at PT Dorsten now scares me a little.
Yes, it is a concern but it is a concern at any club you go to whether a PT or an FKK. Abstinence is the best alternative.
Xavier Yves
12-02-06, 00:19
How well can you read German? If you visit the Deutsche Bahn website you should be able to figure this out.
www.db.de.
DB has english webpage.
http://www.party-treff-krefeld.de/
anybody has been to this place? Seems the cheapest partytreff I've ever seen
Bonjour Xavier Yves,
I asked this question a few months back and nobody has answered it yet.
I met an American at Mettmann the last time I was there and he says he has been there. Its not a large club, maybe three women at most but it is a PT and you can f__ all you want.
Jimmy Smits
12-02-06, 01:47
I play a lot here in the USA. I speak a little Polish but even less German. I am looking at this from an economy standpoint. A flight to DUS from here is about $450 RT. Two or three days at a PT will run me 200 or 300 Euros. I'd blow that in a couple of hours at a FKK club.
I do have a thing for young, Polish women.
Not sure what the Hessen 3 are.
Meaning you speak Polish? :-)
Are you a total newbie? If you are, you should probably start at one of the Hessen 3.
You are looking at about a 2 1/2 hour drive from Frankfurt.. plus your return trip so I don't know how you are going to do this in 3 1/2 hours.
Duesseldorf is a larger airport than Dortmund with more flights. Dortmund would be closer to Dorsten.
Yes, this is possible but it is not a straight shot there by train. You will have to change trains in Essen if you are coming from Duesseldorf and at least one more time at Dorsten Bhf to make it to the Dorsten Wulfen Bahnhof. I have directions on this somewhere on this thread. Why reinvent the wheel.
See my post #934.
How well can you read German? If you visit the Deutsche Bahn website you should be able to figure this out.
www.db.de
or better yet, the Rheinbahn or Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Ruhr website:
www.vrr.de
You'll need to take a cab or a bus from the Dorsten Bahnhof and walk.
Heavensgate is across the Landstrasse from the PT but it is still about a kilometer walk across a highway overpass.
Yes, it is a concern but it is a concern at any club you go to whether a PT or an FKK. Abstinence is the best alternative.
Jackyo,
Thanks for your comment on abstinence, lol. I tried that yesterday, but after one minute and three seconds I gave up and went to an FKK club.
You only die once.
C1
http://www.party-treff-krefeld.de/
anybody has been to this place? Seems the cheapest partytreff I've ever seen
There is a report about PT Krefeld on the french forum www.youppie.net
Has anyone been to either Osnabrück or Wagenfeld lately?I was at Osnabrück 3 weeks ago.
There has been a lot of discussion on opening times and rates, which is available from the web sites. The bad thing about trusting a web site is that they are able to present anything they want and then when you get there it is much different. If you have been there and have seen the web pages can you tell us if the pages are accurate or not.In general, they are accurate. Occasionally something changes and they are not updated quickly enough, but differences are just details. You can always ring up and confirm prices and times.
I am more interested in the atmosphere of the place and the general quality and attitude of the girls. I have been to several of the FKK's and decided to give a Partytreff a try. It would be nice if the girls were all nude at the partytreff but that doesn't sound like the norm except of special days.I was at the "red-carpet" FKK in Dietzenbach near Frankfurt before I switched to Partytreffs. I was twice in Merkelbach before I discovered Dorsten, which is the same concept but with these advantages (compared to Merkelbach, which I otherwise recommend): more girls, two girls at at a time is the norm, all girls do BBBJ (but CIM is rare, as is anal, but these are things which I take if available but which are not essential), the girls come to you rather than you having to chat them up, the food is better, the facilities are better. (At Osnabrück, there aren't as many girls, one at a time is the rule and one does have to chat them up, the facilities aren't quite as good and not all do BBBJ. However, there is an FKK day (Friday) and there is Marion, who does anal and not just CIM, but really sucks it out. She will also put her tongue up your ass and provides a GFE. (Didn't want to kiss and didn't ask, but otherwise if you like stroking and massage before AND after sex and have her with you long enough for two orgasms in one session, then she's your girl!))
The big advantage of the FKK clubs are the nude girls. As you say, this is not the rule at Partytreffs. However, I was told on the phone that an FKK day is planned at Dorsten and when I was at Dorsten most of the girls were nude anyway all the time, at least upstairs. I would have thought that service would be better, since the girls will profit from her good reputation, but the service at Partytreffs is at least as good. I suppose that is because it will soon be obvious if a girl is not good and she won't be asked to stay on. On the other hand, at the Partytreff there is less motivation for the girl to finish so that she can move on to the next customer.
Bernd's sets a high standard for service but is in only one place. The price at Bernd's is also a bit higher than other places. The pay once 100E is attractive to me.In Dietzenbach, I had 3 orgasms each time. The limiting factor was the money. In Merkelbach, I had 5 or 6. The limiting factor was time (they are open only 11--23 during the week and 14--23 on weekends) and the fact that to some extent one has to chat them up. I had 13 at Dorsten and 10 at Osnabrück. (There is the problem of chatting up here, but 5 of those orgasms were with Marion: three in her mouth, including my first of the day with a full load, one in her pussy (with her on top really providing a lot of action) and one in her ass. Before doing her in the ass, she sucked me. I wanted just to get warmed up, but it was so good I let her continue, shot my load and then in the same session when I was horny again fucked her doggy-style in the ass. After my fourth orgasm with her, she riding me, we spent 20 minutes or so snuggling and then she sucked me off again (for my 10th orgasm of the night).
Any advice is most appreciated! Svenfkk and Jackyo, you both seem to have comments that sound like you have both been to these partytreffs. Let me know how they compare.See above. I have only been to Dorsten and Osnabrück, not Wagenfeld. I was planning on Wagenfeld next week, but am short of money. Since they are closing for the holidays, I am looking forward to Dorsten around Christmas. (Hopefully they will have an FKK day then, but if not it is still worth a trip.)
PT Osnabrueck is okay if you happen to be in Osnabrueck but I wouldn't go out of my way to go. Smaller club than PT Wagenfeld. If you are into anal like our colleague Svenfkk is, though, you might be able to get this service here.
As I mentioned in another response, anal is not essential for me, but if it is available I will take it occasionally for some variety. Although the difference for the girls is presumably substantial, for the guy it's not that much of a difference. I do like the concept, though, and most girls who do anal are also very horny in general. Case in point is Marion. Even if you don't fuck her in the arse, it is worth it to go to Osnabrück
just for her. She appears to be a genuine nymphomaniac and with her CIM preceeded by sticking her tongue up my arsehole, it was the best oral sex I've ever had (and I've even had two girlfriends who routinely swallow.)
PT Wagenfeld, on the other hand, is always worth a detour.I'll have to check it out sometime. Does one have to chat the girls up or will they come to you?
Have you been to PT Dorsten? Wagenfeld is similar in lots of ways but also a lot looser, less restrictive.Well, at Dorsten the girls act as if they know why they are being paid. I like that. :-)
It might just be me but the women at Wagenfeld, I think, have more fun with their work. I say restrictive at Dorsten because you have the impression that the owner (actually he's a pretty cool dude) seems to have tighter control of the girls. True but on the other hand at least some of them do seem to genuinely enjoy their work.
Oh, wait. Let me add one caveat. If you can respect the bar dude's rules at PT Wagenfeld you should be okay. His rules are simple: no drinks in the living room area, no eating nude in the eating area, no feet on the tables.
I didn't try the last one, but nudity everywhere and drinks everywhere but
in the bedrooms is fine at Dorsten.
The other PT in the area is PT Muenster. Not recommended.I've taken your advice and taken it off of my list.
OK, just a couple more questions, what is normal for the number of girls? What is the ususal ratio during the day? More girls/men early or late? What sort of activities are available while the ole battery is recharging? Do the girls really get into the sauna? Most places it seems the girls are either not allowed there or are afraid of getting hot. Is there a place to take a short nap?I was at Dorsten on a Saturday. 16 girls, most or all of them there the entire day. At any one time there were about the same number of guys, though many came and went so in total there were probably 40--50 guys there that day, but only 15 or so at any one time. Since normally the guys have to rest longer than the girls, two girls at once is the norm and rarely does one have to wait. I was at Osnabrück on a Friday. 7 girls. At the beginning there was only me and one other chap, but more and more came and fewer went, so late at night there were maybe 20 guys and one did have to wait.
Say, thanks for your help here. I have not been to a PT yet and am intrigued with the concept, all you want and can put out for one price. I have very much enjoyed many days relaxing at different FKK's. Each has its pluses and minuses.I was surprised talking to a chap at Dorsten who had been there all day and was REALLY happy with the girls when I heard that he had come only 3 times that day. The more you come, the cheaper it is per time. With 13 times at Dorsten I was down to less than 10 EUR per time, most of these with two girls.
Same can be said for Dorsten...a couple of honey's and the rest just 'filling'. Some a bit overweight...When I was at Dorsten, NONE of the girls were overweight. (I actually prefer overweight girls.) Only one had big tits. However, it was still worth it. Many if not most were very beautiful (at least to me) and the two ugliest ones, two older German girls, were the best at sucking and seemed to genuinely enjoy it.
I am still curious about the ratio. Is it 2 girls:1 man or 5:1?
How difficult was it to get a better looking girl? Do you just take a number or queue up? Can you tell them to find you when they are free?As I mentioned, at Dorsten about 1:1 at any given time and most sessions were two girls one guy. At Dorsten, just find a free space on a bed and as soon as any are free, two girls will come to you. Great.
I havn´t been to a party-treff club yet, If there are "working girls" there, can you really have as much sex as you want ? just for the entrance fee !
Are the girls really keen of giving you good sex or is it just mechanical.Great sex, as much as you want.
They cant earn much mony, maybe 100Euro /day ? and they must have sex maybe with 10-15 men every day, how is this possible, cant they have other "sexwork" that gives them more money, are they fat and old?They are young, beautiful, have sex maybe 15 times per day and do it all for nothing (after you pay the entrance fee).
Is it common that the men are giving them "extra money" I can thinking of doing that myself for better sex!No. This doesn't happen. It's also not necessary.
Is most of the sex going on "public" ?Yes.
http://www.party-treff-krefeld.de/
anybody has been to this place? Seems the cheapest partytreff I've ever seenAccording to the web page, you are limited to 6 hours. Nothing for me;
when I go, I stay the whole day. However, if you stay less than 6 hours anyway, then this is not an argument.
There is a Partytreff in Hanau (near Frankfurt am Main), but one is limited to 4 hours. There is one in Weinheim (near Heidelberg), but one is limited to once with each girl.
I would rather pay a bit more and spend 15 hours there with multiple sessions with the same girl if I want.
that makes it 2 out of 1000 or 0.2% chance of an infection. the odds are not that bad but --- it will eventually nail us.
again thanks for the support. to quote mcarthur - "i will be back"
i like your attitude and wish you speedy health, so you can get back to the swing...
Once on the www.bahn.de site - look on the menu bar near the top and click on international guests. The entire site is not in English
Meaning you speak Polish? :-)
Are you a total newbie? If you are, you should probably start at one of the Hessen 3.
You are looking at about a 2 1/2 hour drive from Frankfurt.. plus your return trip so I don't know how you are going to do this in 3 1/2 hours.
Duesseldorf is a larger airport than Dortmund with more flights. Dortmund would be closer to Dorsten.
Yes, this is possible but it is not a straight shot there by train. You will have to change trains in Essen if you are coming from Duesseldorf and at least one more time at Dorsten Bhf to make it to the Dorsten Wulfen Bahnhof. I have directions on this somewhere on this thread. Why reinvent the wheel...
See my post #934.
How well can you read German? If you visit the Deutsche Bahn website you should be able to figure this out.
www.db.de
or better yet, the Rheinbahn or Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Ruhr website:
www.vrr.de
You'll need to take a cab or a bus from the Dorsten Bahnhof and walk.
Heavensgate is across the Landstrasse from the PT but it is still about a kilometer walk across a highway overpass.
Yes, it is a concern but it is a concern at any club you go to whether a PT or an FKK. Abstinence is the best alternative.
... to be similar to the Pauschalpreisparties which they used to have at La Bedo and Blue Note, both of which are small clubs.
Back a couple of years ago these two clubs would designate a certain day and time frame as a Pauschalpreisparty.
You paid a fixed amount and for a limited number of hours you could have as much as you wanted with whoever you wanted amongst the girls who were part of the selection.
These were regular club girls such as, for example, Julia (Romanian) and Nicole (Hungarian) at Blue Note.
At La Bedo I remember Dana and Julia (Polish).
It was then that I decided that coming is actually optional and that just slippin' and slidin' can be enjoyable in and of itself. Fluids are in short supply in a situation such as this.
I play a lot here in the USA. I speak a little Polish but even less German. I am looking at this from an economy standpoint. A flight to DUS from here is about $450 RT. Two or three days at a PT will run me 200 or 300 Euros. I'd blow that in a couple of hours at a FKK club.
I do have a thing for young, Polish women.
Not sure what the Hessen 3 are.
If you are new to the German FKK scene, you are a newbie.
The Hessen 3 are: World, Palace and Oase.
These are required stops on a standard tour of Hessen.
Take notes of the blacklisted girls under the Palace thread. The word "minefield" comes to mind when I think of that club. You might also have a great time.
True you've pinned down the airfare and the cost of club visits but you also have to factor in local transportation (gas and car rental or train, bus or cabs) plus hotel accomodations (unless you plan on sleeping in the car - next to impossible in the winter) plus food and other incidental expenses.
We complain about gasoline being expensive here. It is about thrice as expensive on the other side of the pond.
There is a PT in Hessen which you might be able to check on for all of us: Xtreff. Details are further down in this thread.
See posts #995 and #988.
I was surprised talking to a chap at Dorsten who had been there all day and was REALLY happy with the girls when I heard that he had come only 3 times that day. The more you come, the cheaper it is per time. With 13 times at Dorsten I was down to less than 10 EUR per time, most of these with two girls.It makes sense, not everyone can come 13 times in a day - and my hat's off to you for that - and then you have to pace yourself a bit. On my last trip to PT Dorsten, I had about ten session (I tend to lose count after a bit) and only came three times, because that's all I had in me. But that's not to say I didn't enjoy every one of those sessions, especially the foursome with one girl sitting on my face, one licking my balls and the third wanking me off on her tits.
Good times.
Hey,
Can you active your private messaging on this forum? I tried to send you a note but it wouldn't go through.
Danke!
Frankfurter
12-03-06, 11:44
Fellow mongers:
For quite some time now I look at the entries in the German PT section with some concern. There is an abundance of entries and questions of newbies related to a VERY limited number of clubs, first and foremost Dorsten, Wagenfeld, and maybe Mettmann.
Don’t get me wrong:
I’ve been to all three of them, and they are certainly not bad, maybe great, but there are literally hundreds of clubs in NRW and Germany as a whole which remain unexplored, and undocumented on this forum.
I think this is a mistake.
Let’s all be a little bit more adventurous! Let’s check out the other clubs before posting the next hundred of (similar) remarks about the above mentioned three clubs.
Jimmy Smits
12-03-06, 16:24
If you are new to the German FKK scene, you are a newbie.
The Hessen 3 are: World, Palace and Oase.
These are required stops on a standard tour of Hessen.
Take notes of the blacklisted girls under the Palace thread. The word "minefield" comes to mind when I think of that club. You might also have a great time.
True you've pinned down the airfare and the cost of club visits but you also have to factor in local transportation (gas and car rental or train, bus or cabs) plus hotel accomodations (unless you plan on sleeping in the car - next to impossible in the winter) plus food and other incidental expenses.
We complain about gasoline being expensive here. It is about thrice as expensive on the other side of the pond.
There is a PT in Hessen which you might be able to check on for all of us: Xtreff. Details are further down in this thread.
See posts #995 and #988.Are all FKK clubs where I'll spend easily 300 to 400 Euros in each. I can go to Dorsten and get 4 or 5 times the action for less then that.
What does the word Hessen mean?
Jimmy Smits
12-03-06, 16:42
Fellow mongers:
For quite some time now I look at the entries in the German PT section with some concern. There is an abundance of entries and questions of newbies related to a VERY limited number of clubs, first and foremost Dorsten, Wagenfeld, and maybe Mettmann.
Don’t get me wrong:
I’ve been to all three of them, and they are certainly not bad, maybe great, but there are literally hundreds of clubs in NRW and Germany as a whole which remain unexplored, and undocumented on this forum.
I think this is a mistake.
Let’s all be a little bit more adventurous! Let’s check out the other clubs before posting the next hundred of (similar) remarks about the above mentioned three clubs.A place where I can go, pay one set price and screw all the women I can all day long. I'd prefer women who are younger and not totally tatoo ridden. Dorsten sounds like that kind of place, however, if there are places closer to Frankfurt or Berlin I'd be happy to try them.
An FKK club would be interesting for sure, however, it would get expensive in a hurry and this defeat the purpose of going to Germany. I can get those kind of women here in the States for that same price without traveling.
Went thru Kaleu's club index and tried to list the partytreff's on his website...might have missed a few though. Seems like there are alot of these types of clubs out there...must be the mindset to get alot for as little money as possible.
Ive been to only two partytreff clubs...Wagenfeld and Dorsten. Personally I liked the club setup of Wagenfeld the best...indoor pool, large outdoor area, bunch of rooms (no doors though) and the large roundtable bed in the main area. Dorsten's facilities arent as good but the girls do make up for some of its shortcomings.
Maybe one of these clubs below has both awsome facilities and tons of hot women....
Ps...I got all of the info below from http://www.kaleus-clubindex.com
Xanten...can anyone check to see how hard it would be to reach this club by train?
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These two clubs look interesting...
Partytreff Selm Gutenbergstrasse 19 59379 Selm http://www.partytreff-selm.de/ (north of Dortmund)...this one looks pretty good.
Partytreff Xanten Sonsbecker Strasse 29 46509 Xanten http://www.partytreff-xanten.de/ (north of Dusseldorf, really closeby...)
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Partytreff Saunaclub B 217 Hamelner Strasse 9 31848 Bad Münder http://www.haus-b217.de/ (south of hannover)
Partytreff Fun Bürener Strasse 4 33181 Bad Wünnenberg http://www.fun-partytreff.de/ (east of dortmund)
Partytreff Bremen Bahnhofstrasse 11 28195 Bremen http://www.partytreff-bremen.de/start.html
Partytreff Düren - Die blaue Lagune Roermonder Strasse 24 52353 Düren
Partytreff Gelsenkirchen Schmiedestrasse 11 45881 Gelsenkirchen http://www.partytreff-gelsenkirchen.de/ (west of dortmund)
Partytreff Gevelsberg Mühlenstrasse 5 58285 Gevelsberg http://www.partytreff-gevelsberg.de/
Partytreff Hilter Dyckerhoffstrasse 3 49176 Hilter http://www.partytreff-hilter.de/
Party Treff Limbacherho Auf der Windschnorr 18 66459 Kirkel Limbach bei Homburg/Saar http://www.limbacherhof.de/
Partytreff Owl Strombergerstrasse 67 33449 Langenberg http://www.partytreff-owl.de/
Partytreff Ochún Greifswalder Strasse 3 30880 Laatzen
Partytreff Atlantis Am Draisberg 2 55126 Mainz http://www.partytreff-atlantis.de/
Partytreff Menden Fröndenberger Strasse 139 58706 Menden http://www.partytreff-menden.de/
Partytreff Emsland Tuntel 16 49716 Meppen http://www.partytreff-emsland.de/
Partytreff Westerwald Kapellenweg 1 57629 Merkelbach bei Hachenburg http://www.partytreff-westerwald.de/
Partytreff Mönchengladbach Untere Strasse 77 41068 Mönchengladbach
Partytreff Oberdorfstraße 67 Oberdorfstrasse 67 76889 Oberotterbach
Partytreff Sindelfingen Schwertstrasse 15 71065 Sindelfingen
http://www.bestladys.de/partytreff/html/pt_home.html
Partytreff La Vita Bremer Strasse 23 49377 Vechta
Fellow mongers:
For quite some time now I look at the entries in the German PT section with some concern. There is an abundance of entries and questions of newbies related to a VERY limited number of clubs, first and foremost Dorsten, Wagenfeld, and maybe Mettmann.
Don’t get me wrong:
I’ve been to all three of them, and they are certainly not bad, maybe great, but there are literally hundreds of clubs in NRW and Germany as a whole which remain unexplored, and undocumented on this forum.
I think this is a mistake.
Let’s all be a little bit more adventurous! Let’s check out the other clubs before posting the next hundred of (similar) remarks about the above mentioned three clubs.
Frankfurter,
Excellent suggestion for all you guys living so close. When we sorry slobs have to travel so far we don't want to waste precious time at a second rate place with limited service. I nominate you to start the exploration and let us know the good places!
There was a report some time back where the RF had located most of the FKK clubs in Google Earth. The nice thing is that you can look at where you are going and then see what is close. This also has links so you can go directly to the web site of these clubs from the Google Earth map. There are lots of clubs listed that I have never seen any reports on. Some of the web pages are well done and some poor. This is a nice resource. I wish that it also had the PT listed but it doesn't.
Frankfurter, start your engine and let us all know what is out there and the rating of each club and PT.
Bob
Frankfurter
12-03-06, 18:30
Flybob,
Your suggestion is well taken.
Although my time is very limited, I try to visit clubs which are not well -or, at all-covered. I usually write about those as well, i.e. see my posts about:
--pp.korrekt.de. (Acquired taste, not for everyone, but can be great.) I've been there a few times.
--Roemerbad in Lebach-Hoxberg, http://www.roemerbad-24.de (Was a total waste of time and money. The best was my time in the sauna.)
--Spritzehaus112 (http://www.club-zenit.de/index.html) (Can be exciting, Heike is gorgeous, the male owner of the club is genuinely unpleasant.)
--Zum Alten Waldhaus (http://www.zumaltenwaldhaus.de/) (Great) and I’ve been certainly to the "Hessen3", which are not PT’s.
Happy hunting! And, please, go visit and write about new clubs!
FF
Jimmy Smits
12-03-06, 18:33
Flying to Frankfurt arriving in the morning of Jan 13th. Heading back the morning of Monday the 15th.
I would like to hit one PT and one FKK while I am there.
I am thinking I'll drive to PT Dorsten, however, if there is a GOOD PT closer to Frankfurt that the board can suggest I'd appreciate it.
I can research the FKK clubs on my own in and around Frankfurt.
Jimmy Smits
12-03-06, 20:55
Credit cards give the best exchange rate, however, I didn't know what was the norm.
There is a PT in Hessen which you might be able to check on for all of us: Xtreff.
I found this passage about X-treff in the rest of the world section of the well-known Amsterdam board:
I was faced with about 6 guys waiting thier turns and 5 or 6 below standard women (older, weird, heavy, etc...) One girl was almost acceptable, and I watched her walk to the other end of the room with a bed and service each person individually. No group activity was noticed, and after an hour, I left for World still a virgin for the day. I would never go back again unless there was a report similar to Parttreff Dortsten. It was a waste of time for 100 E and the fact that I could be at World watching the beauties.
I was thinking of going there sometime soon, but maybe now I'll skip it and go to World.
It used to be good, but apparently no longer. If you go there ask to see the girls before paying. Maybe I'll go back if they start putting the girls' pictures on the website again.
Yes, I am a man obsessed.
As promised, here is a first attempt at indexing the contents of this thread. I thought at first I'd post it under "Clubs needed their own threads" but those interested in PTs might not find this index there.
This forum doesn't allow searches and this creates issues in trying to find specific posts about specific clubs. We keep reinventing the wheel as a result particularly when we answer the questions of newbies.
I've taken the attitude we should help newbies but that they should be a) a little more self reliant, b) a little more adventurous and willing to break new ground. Its all about collecting information and if we keep getting the same reports about the same clubs, what is in it for the rest of us?
I started with posts since January 1, 2006, tried to figure out in general what the contents were, tried to break out those which dealt specifically with directions or hotels.
If I have time I'll go further back. And if I have more time, I'll index the "Other FKK Clubs" thread.
Its weird but I sometimes find stuff I wrote months ago and ask myself: "I wrote that?"
This isn't perfect and I probably have typos in it which I will try to eliminate by reviewing it a couple of times.
There is a whole world of PTs out there. Anyone viewing this listing will have the impression that PT Dorsten is the only game in town. It isn't. If that club gets any more crowded I'm abandoning it for more calm alternatives.
My trips are always a combination of clubs I've been to and clubs I've not been to. Staying on the beaten path can get boring after a while.
Two Dorsten FAQs are worthy of mention: those of Wan King and Routard. (Thanks, mate! Merci, Monsieur!)
Alles klar?
Xtreff: 627, 988,993, 995, 1051
Fashion Privat Party 631, 690
Directions 705
Heavensgate
Directions 645
Hotel 647
Skyribar 656
DV versus Dorsten 682
Oberhausen 683
Beverly 608, 616, 664, 797, 800, 808, 810, 813, 814, 817, 863, 866
Directions 670
Hotel 865, 870, 871
Dolce Vita (Wagenfeld) 610, 611, 798, 807, 956, 959, 961, 986, 998, 999, 1001
Caesar’s Palace 615
PT Wiago 828, 835
Mettmann 625, 667, 674, 680, 684, 796, 804, 696, 805, 806, 938, 850, 851, 713, 874
Directions 635
Hotel 640
Dorsten 617, 698, 706, 708, 710, 718, 719, 720, 739, 757, 762, 763, 765, 766, 768, 770, 795, 815, 822, 825, 829, 842, 843, 845, 846, 847, 849, 859, 872, 894, 897, 898, 901, 902, 904, 914, 919, 920, 921, 922, 927, 938, 951, 975, 1008, 1037, 1038
FAQ 734, 893
Directions 936, 620, 841
Train 621
Hotel 880
PT Krefeld 1041
Swingclub-Gourmet 687, 688, 689, 692
Sindelfingen 1014, 1015
Treff188 693, 694
Spritzehaus 12 694
Club Candy 968
Frankfurt PTs 695, 857
Transport 1029, 934
Pegasus 698, 785, 786, 787
STDs 1017
PTs In General 699, 708, 709, 945, 946, 947, 948, 949, 953, 954, 963, 1003, 1035, 1036,
List 1048, 1050
Rates 989, 991
Xanten 702
Saarbruecken 926
Muenchen Burg Ibiza 926
Westerwald 716
Susi und Juergen 854
Muenster 895, 896
Osnabrueck 910, 923, 924
Comparisons:
Dorsten Vs Mettmann 737, 772, 811
Beverly Vs Dorsten 970, 971, 972, 973, 974, 977
Other 832
Directions 781
Extasia 779
Jackyo,
how much is Jackson paying you?? :D
Infact Jackyo sounds a bit like mini Jackson. A Bit like Dr Evil and Mini Me :D
Good effort though Jackyo!!!!!
Jackyo,
how much is Jackson paying you?? :D
Infact Jackyo sounds a bit like mini Jackson. A Bit like Dr Evil and Mini Me :D
I hope to get on his payroll soon...!
Hey Jackyo your efforts are appreciated!!!! You da man!!!
Yes, I am a man obsessed.
As promised, here is a first attempt at indexing the contents of this thread. I thought at first I'd post it under "Clubs needed their own threads" but those interested in PTs might not find this index there.
This forum doesn't allow searches and this creates issues in trying to find specific posts about specific clubs. We keep reinventing the wheel as a result particularly when we answer the questions of newbies.
I've taken the attitude we should help newbies but that they should be a) a little more self reliant, b) a little more adventurous and willing to break new ground. Its all about collecting information and if we keep getting the same reports about the same clubs, what is in it for the rest of us?
I started with posts since January 1, 2006, tried to figure out in general what the contents were, tried to break out those which dealt specifically with directions or hotels.
If I have time I'll go further back. And if I have more time, I'll index the "Other FKK Clubs" thread.
Its weird but I sometimes find stuff I wrote months ago and ask myself: "I wrote that?"
This isn't perfect and I probably have typos in it which I will try to eliminate by reviewing it a couple of times.
There is a whole world of PTs out there. Anyone viewing this listing will have the impression that PT Dorsten is the only game in town. It isn't. If that club gets any more crowded I'm abandoning it for more calm alternatives.
My trips are always a combination of clubs I've been to and clubs I've not been to. Staying on the beaten path can get boring after a while.
Two Dorsten FAQs are worthy of mention: those of Wan King and Routard. (Thanks, mate! Merci, Monsieur!)
Alles klar?
Xtreff: 627, 988,993, 995, 1051
Fashion Privat Party 631, 690
Directions 705
Heavensgate
Directions 645
Hotel 647
Skyribar 656
DV versus Dorsten 682
Oberhausen 683
Beverly 608, 616, 664, 797, 800, 808, 810, 813, 814, 817, 863, 866
Directions 670
Hotel 865, 870, 871
Dolce Vita (Wagenfeld) 610, 611, 798, 807, 956, 959, 961, 986, 998, 999, 1001
Caesar’s Palace 615
PT Wiago 828, 835
Mettmann 625, 667, 674, 680, 684, 796, 804, 696, 805, 806, 938, 850, 851, 713, 874
Directions 635
Hotel 640
Dorsten 617, 698, 706, 708, 710, 718, 719, 720, 739, 757, 762, 763, 765, 766, 768, 770, 795, 815, 822, 825, 829, 842, 843, 845, 846, 847, 849, 859, 872, 894, 897, 898, 901, 902, 904, 914, 919, 920, 921, 922, 927, 938, 951, 975, 1008, 1037, 1038
FAQ 734, 893
Directions 936, 620, 841
Train 621
Hotel 880
PT Krefeld 1041
Swingclub-Gourmet 687, 688, 689, 692
Sindelfingen 1014, 1015
Treff188 693, 694
Spritzehaus 12 694
Club Candy 968
Frankfurt PTs 695, 857
Transport 1029, 934
Pegasus 698, 785, 786, 787
STDs 1017
PTs In General 699, 708, 709, 945, 946, 947, 948, 949, 953, 954, 963, 1003, 1035, 1036,
List 1048, 1050
Rates 989, 991
Xanten 702
Saarbruecken 926
Muenchen Burg Ibiza 926
Westerwald 716
Susi und Juergen 854
Muenster 895, 896
Osnabrueck 910, 923, 924
Comparisons:
Dorsten Vs Mettmann 737, 772, 811
Beverly Vs Dorsten 970, 971, 972, 973, 974, 977
Other 832
Directions 781
Extasia 779
Flying to Frankfurt arriving in the morning of Jan 13th. Heading back the morning of Monday the 15th.
I would like to hit one PT and one FKK while I am there.
I am thinking I'll drive to PT Dorsten, however, if there is a GOOD PT closer to Frankfurt that the board can suggest I'd appreciate it.
I can research the FKK clubs on my own in and around Frankfurt.
JimmyS
I have tried a couple PT's in and around FRA but did not have a single good expereince. I just did the drive for the first time to PT Dorsten. Get a car with a GPS (EuroCar has compacts with GPS for about 60Euro)and 2.5 hours later you are there. It is very simple. I usually use the hotel Hotel-Restaurant Albert in Dorsten. It is about 10 minutes from the club.
enjoy
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Jimmy Smits
12-06-06, 22:58
JimmyS,
I have tried a couple PT's in and around FRA but did not have a single good expereince. I just did the drive for the first time to PT Dorsten. Get a car with a GPS (EuroCar has compacts with GPS for about 60Euro)and 2.5 hours later you are there. It is very simple. I usually use the hotel Hotel-Restaurant Albert in Dorsten. It is about 10 minutes from the club.
Enjoy,
DSounds like a plan. Dorsten just sounds so much like my kind of place.
Do they take plastic?
Do they take plastic?
.. no.
Bring cash.
Do they take plastic?
No, but they offer rubber ;)
Sounds like a plan. Dorsten just sounds so much like my kind of place.
Do they take plastic?
No CC accepted. At Palace they have a cash machine but it only works on EuroCards. I try to plan my day and get cash at the airport ATMs
Xavier Yves
12-07-06, 23:03
Just curious to know
due to DeepVoid's unlucky expeirence at PT dorsten, is their business got influenced? is it still safe to visit them in Dec?
Hey,
Can you active your private messaging on this forum? I tried to send you a note but it wouldn't go through.
Danke!I'll give it a try. Can one post an email address here?
Hey,
Can you active your private messaging on this forum? I tried to send you a note but it wouldn't go through.
Danke!The reason is, that I have not bought any subscription. As I think I mentioned here, I am actually happily married (my wife and I have been together for 6 years, she has an IDEAL figure, we AVERAGE a couple of orgasms per day, she genuinely enjoys sucking me until I come in her throat and she swallows it all and genuinely loves it) but my wife is away for several weeks due to special circumstances (and I can't wait for her to get back). Thus, some extracurricular action is needed. I was at Dorsten back in the summer (when she was just away briefly, more out of curiosity) and was at Osnabrück a few weeks ago. I'm going to Dolce Vita in Wagenfeld on Saturday and plan on Dorsten again around the end of the year. After that, I'll probably only visit clubs again if my wife is away again for an appreciable amount of time. While I hope I have contributed to as well as made use of this forum, I can't say now what the future will bring and thus whether a subscription is worth it.
Again, if I can post an email address here, I will, and you can email me.
Or, consider posting it in the forum unless it really has to be private. After all, we are folks comfortable with fucking while other people are watching, so only a few things really need to be private.
I'm going to Dolce Vita in Wagenfeld on Saturday and plan on Dorsten again around the end of the year.
Svenfkk,
Sunday is the FKK day so hope you have a good time. Write a report on the condition of the club and level of service. We all look forward to hearing about your trip and the place.
Xavier Yves
12-08-06, 19:26
Svenfkk,
Sunday is the FKK day so hope you have a good time. Write a report on the condition of the club and level of service. We all look forward to hearing about your trip and the place.
Sven must have a long way to drive.........
Sunday is the FKK day so hope you have a good time. Write a report on the condition of the club and level of service. We all look forward to hearing about your trip and the place. I'm going to Dolce Vita on Saturday. Yes, Sunday is FKK day, but still the higher price (EUR 120) even though there are only 6--8 girls there. Also, it is really just topless (that's what they say on the phone). Perhaps there will be a bit more tolerance of nude MEN, I'm not sure. I got the impression that, except on Sunday, men shouldn't be nude either except on the beds, in the pool or sauna etc. At Dorsten, I was nude all the time (practically the only person) and this was no problem. (Same at Osnabrück, though I WAS there on FKK day (Friday) there. At first, I was a bit taken aback when one of the girls objected to my nudity, but the woman behind the bar quickly pointed out that it was FKK. After that, no problem, neither with her nor with anyone else. All of the girls really were nude all the time at Osnabrück (though few if any of the men were, except me). That is a selling point of Osnabrück, if you like FKK. I know of no other party treff which offers FKK (again, Wagenfeld is really just topless). Osnabrück also has topless on Sunday, but real FKK on Friday. Also, Marion alone at Osnabrúck is worth the price of admission. Again, she used to work at Wagenfeld. She does CIM (and really sucks it out and doesn't pull back quickly), anal, lets you finger her anywhere, spent a total of about 30 minutes (three separate sessions) with her tongue inside my ass. (Once at the first session before I really filled up her mouth, my first shot of the day after 2 or 3 days intentional break to build up my reserves, once at the second session before another blow job---I just wanted her to get me going before I did her anally, but it was so good that I let her finish, then we cuddled for 20 minutes before I fucked her ass, again after great oral stimulation---and at the third session before I fucked her pussy with her riding me quite violently---again, afterwards 20 minutes of cuddling and chatting and then she gave me another blow job after licking my asshole from the inside for my 10th orgasm of the day and 5th with her.))
Sven must have a long way to drive. From near Frankfurt. About 3 hours, but worth it. Here, there are relatively expensive FKKs, but even the cheap ones are too expensive if you want 13 sessions a day. There are a few party treffs, but either with a time limit or other limits (like no girl twice). Also, the two I checked out (without visiting) didn't make a very friendly impression.
Most folks say that Wagenfeld is at least as good as Dorsten, so I'm looking forward to it, though the concept at Dorsten (just get on the bed somewhere where there is free space and quite soon TWO girls will appear and service you) appeals to me. I also doubt that I'll ever have better sex than with Marion, but since she was the only really good girl at Osnabrück, that also doesn't jibe with the concept of staying the whole day. I also like the variety of several good girls.
This place's website show's some pretty eye candy http://www.partytreff-selm.de/ and its just over 22 miles from the dorsten partytreff. So who's going to be the first to review this club?
And if your on your way to Dorsten, you can at least drive by and take a look at the outside of this club...the number of cars outside gives one an idea of how busy they might be inside.
Just curious to know
due to DeepVoid's unlucky expeirence at PT dorsten, is their business got influenced? is it still safe to visit them in Dec?
I want to be clear that I was not accusing PT Dorten of being more or less safe than any partytreff or fkk for that matter. We, as well as the girls, take our chances everytime we walk in the door. I would bet my entrance fee that it has not slowed down at all, nor should it.
So, if you are gonna go to any club, you may as well check PT Dorsten out. Just take good care of the girls and say hi to Roberto.
d
This place's website show's some pretty eye candy http://www.partytreff-selm.de/ and its just over 22 miles from the dorsten partytreff. So who's going to be the first to review this club?
And if your on your way to Dorsten, you can at least drive by and take a look at the outside of this club...the number of cars outside gives one an idea of how busy they might be inside.
Breadman, u are a great guy for uncovering all the new places :D
This girl is an ex PT Dorsten worker http://www.partytreff-selm.de/ab18/ab18.php?mghash=dc228b784430d6f41abf3987ad2fb0d2&mggal=19
Good girl too she was. I was with her several times on my first trip there back in the summer. Polish and speaks no english.
based on the photos on their website, if you are fond of rumanian women, you should be in seventh heaven.
those women do not look polish to me. they have that dark slavic but southern slavic look.
a pet peeve of mine is bleached platinum hair particularly on a woman whose normal hair color is much darker (i look to her natural hair color down there to verify this).
anyway, now that i've gotten that out of the way, here is a review written by kurwa in oktober.
he starts off with criticism for fkk club villa venus (has anyone been to this club yet?) and says if you intend to be active a lot, pt selm would satisfy your needs:
die preise sind mir in der venus unbekannt zahe immer 30 für habe stunde das würde dann sonst zuteuer bin früher viel hingefahren doch leistung und sevice haben nachgelassen. da ich 3 bis 4 auf zimmer gehe auch recht teuer hab mir was neues gesucht partytreff selm preise 89 bis 100 eure trinken essen und so viel ficken wie man will
anwesend 8 bis 12 mädels meist ostblock aber jung ein paar top schüße dabei
man kann auch 2oder drei mit aufs zimmer nehmen dan geht die post ab.
immer gute musik und stimmung im laden freitag und samstag solte man meiden da recht voll die mädchen melken dann recht schnell ab
näste woche gehst wieder hin
fazit: for a price of from 89 to 100 euros you can eat and fuck as much as you want with between 8 ans 12 girls, mostly ee. you can take two to three of them into a room at once if you are so inclined. he would avoid fridays and saturdays because it can get crowded and the women will try to milk you dry as quickly as possible. otherwise great stimmung and music.
note: there are a lot of these clubs, so many one can spend several weeks doing nothing but pts and still not visit all of them.
i posted a question on the rf about which ones the other guys can recommend. i got replies about one in oberhausen, z. b. which i will check out on the rf and see about writing a summary.
Xavier Yves
12-08-06, 23:30
I want to be clear that I was not accusing PT Dorten of being more or less safe than any partytreff or fkk for that matter. We, as well as the girls, take our chances everytime we walk in the door. I would bet my entrance fee that it has not slowed down at all, nor should it.
So, if you are gonna go to any club, you may as well check PT Dorsten out. Just take good care of the girls and say hi to Roberto.
d
understood.
Just curious to know sometimes if there is any consequences (negative&positive) when we mention club's name....
Xavier Yves
12-08-06, 23:31
Breadman, u are a great guy for uncovering all the new places :D
This girl is an ex PT Dorsten worker http://www.partytreff-selm.de/ab18/ab18.php?mghash=dc228b784430d6f41abf3987ad2fb0d2&mggal=19
Good girl too she was. I was with her several times on my first trip there back in the summer. Polish and speaks no english.
indeed true! and I'm wondering why i cann't see this polish girl in Dorsten anymore last time when i was there......
maybe this place is also owned by same boss from PTD? you never know
Xanten...can anyone check to see how hard it would be to reach this club by train?
Partytreff Xanten Sonsbecker Strasse 29 46509 Xanten http://www.partytreff-xanten.de/ (north of Dusseldorf, really closeby...)
Bout 1.5 hours according to http://efa.vrr.de/
Dussledorf Hbf to Duisburg Hbf 20 mins
Duisburg Hbf to Xanten Hbf 45 mins
+ 5 minute bus trip in Xanten.
Xavier Yves
12-08-06, 23:44
Bout 1.5 hours according to http://efa.vrr.de/
Dussledorf Hbf to Duisburg Hbf 20 mins
Duisburg Hbf to Xanten Hbf 45 mins
+ 5 minute bus trip in Xanten.
according to their pricing structure, it gives a feeling it's also part of swinger club
This dude, Horny25m, posted on the RF about a visit he made yesterday.
Nach langer Überlegung hab ich mir huete mal den PT Xanten angeschaut.
Long Story short: Ich war der einzige man mit 3 Frauen(Ich steh mehr so auf Rudelbumsen). Geduscht (Sanitär ist OK) und dann nach ner Coke mit der dünnsten und schönsten auf die Matte.
Katastrophe! Ficken wollte ich nicht, sondern mir schön einen blasen lassen. Erstmal meinen frisch geduschten Schwanz mit Desinfektionstüchern malträtiert, lieblos angeblasen, pfundweise Babyöl drübergekippt (was wird DAS denn??) und mir dann einen runtergeholt....
Ach ja an der Mumu spielen ist nicht, genauso wie sie sich sehr geschickt dreht um nicht berührt zu werden.
Von Spaß bzw. Tabulosigkeit keine Spur.
Ich muß wohl erlicherweise sagen das wegen der Sprachbarriere bzw. Kommunikationsfähigkeit kein Gespräch zustande kam....schade eigentlich.
Dann noch ab in die Sauna (Nett und gemütlich) und dann ab nach Hause.
Für mich ist der Laden nichts 0,0000%.
Gruß
Horny
Fazit: He was the only dude, there were three women. He picked the best looking one. He wanted a BJ but she preferred to do the old in-out. So she takes a disinfecting wipe and starts this really awful BJ. She didn't allow any playing with her Mumu (her Muschi or pussy). It was neither fun nor uninhibited. The language barrier and her not wanting to communicate were negatives. He did the sauna thing and went home.
according to their pricing structure, it gives a feeling it's also part of swinger club
.... couples for a 50 Euro entry fee and single women for free.
this is from geiler bock who posted this on the rf yesterday.
ich war am letzten freitag erstmalig im partytreff selm.
eingelaufen bin ich so um 18:00 uhr und es waren 11 mädels vor ort: 2 aus litauen (diana, christine), 2 aus polen ([CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) und julia), 2 aus rumänien (lisa und ?), 2 aus kuba, 1 aus brasilien (florietta o.ä.), 1 aus türkei (anka), 1 unbekannter herkunft
es war wohl schulmädchenparty, welches als motto vorbildlich eingehalten wurde. die mädels sahen durchweg lecker aus, einzig die kubanischen modelle fielen etwas aus dem rahmen, machten dies aber durch ihr (berühmtes) temperament wieder wett. 109 euro betrug der eintritt und die wahren jeden cent wert.
die nummern mit den mädels verliefen durchweg positiv. fo war durchweg standard, zks gabs leider nicht. zwischendurch mal lecker gegessen, aber nichts aufregendes am buffet. um 22:00 entwickelte sich im aufenthaltsraum so ganz langsam eine wilde fickerei. ich war der erste, der erstmal zwei mädels mitten auf dem teppich durchvögelte. das war schön ziemlich.
so gegen 01:30 hab ich mir dann noch ne „energetische massage“ bei einer älteren dame abgeholt, auch mit behandlung der unteren lendengegend. auch was feines, sage ich euch. bin dann so gegen 02:30 nach einem kleinen letzten nümmerchen mit [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) abgereist.
für mich ist der laden die neue number one und wird wohl nunmehr regelmäßig besucht werden.
so, und nicht nicht alle gleichzeitig den laden besuchen, ansonsten wird’s zu voll, leidet die qualität und steigt der preis, gelle.
p.s.: sorry, für meinen nüchternen schreibstil, aber ich bin von einem begnadeten berichteschreiber meilenweit entfernt. ich kann nur sagen: es war sau-, sau-, saugeil.
fazit: he was there for the first time last friday. he arrived at 6 pm and there were 11 women there: 2 from lithuania, 2 from poland, 2 from rumania, 2 from cuba, 1 from brazil, 1 from turkey and 1 of unknown origin. they were having a schoolgirl party. entry was 109 euros and he says worth every cent. he was overall satisfied. bjs were bare. there was no french kissing. he left at 2:30 in the am. he had a massage too.
he makes a statement hoping that it doesn't become too full because quality will suffer and prices will rise.
it was "sau-,sau-, saugeil." which i translate as "f'in good" or as we say here: "wicked good."
Nice to have various nationalities working , as opposed to all Polish.
Nice to have various nationalities working , as opposed to all Polish.
Hey,
.. thought too!
I was actually concerned at first that PT Selm would be all Romanian just based on the photos.
Given a choice I'd prefer all Polish if it had to be all something.
If not all Hungarian would be next best.
Selm might be the next "find"...and only 25 miles from the Dorsten partytreff.
As proof that there is no shortage of PTs in NRW, here is a report posted on the RF by Linzer in May.
Seems it is more of a swinger club than a PT with pros.
PT Langenfeld - GB-Party
Kurzbericht zum PT Langenfeld:
Ich war endlich mal wieder im PT Langenfeld. Mein letzter Besuch dürfte etwa ein Jahr her sein. Gewählt habe ich den ersten Freitag im Mai, da bei den GB-Partys immer etwas mehr los ist, auch wenn ich nicht direkt auf Massenabwichsen stehe. Aber auch ein gemütliches Nümmerchen lässt sich da in der Regel finden.
Im Vorfeld hatte ich kurzen Kontakt mit Nina über das VB-Forum. Sie hatte dort geschrieben, dass sie öfters in Langenfeld ist.
Als ich zum ersten mal durchs Spielzimmer ging, traf sie auch gerade dort ein und der Abend begann schon perfekt. Nina ist wirklich eine Lustige und Nette.
Anschließend etwas dem Treiben im Barraum und auf den Spielwiesen zugesehen und im kleinen Hof etwas vom Grill verzehrt.
Dann traf ein privates Pärchen ein, dass ich vom letzten Besuch vor knapp einem Jahr noch kannte. Der Rest des Abends war damit verplant - ich schweige dazu.
Also in meinen Augen ist in Langenfeld bessere Stimmung als in Mettmann. Mettmann hat dafür die etwas schöneren Räumlichkeiten.
Auf alle Fälle werde ich mal wieder in Langenfeld dabeisein.
Linzer
Fazit: He was there in May at a Gangbangparty. He hooked up with a woman, Nina, who he had met on a forum and then a pair who had met a year earlier. He had a good time. He says he found the Stimmung better than PT Mettman but Mettmann had better facilities. He will visit again.
I first read about PTs on an earlier German forum way back in 98.
There was a lot of mention of Holzhaus in Nister (bei Hachburg) and I kept thinking to myself: "Can this be for real?". I never got to visit Holzhaus as it was a bit out of the way.
It was Wizard who first broke the ice, started visiting PTs and swinger clubs and writing reviews in English.
I used to exchange e-mails with him. I understand he has gone on to the big neverending PT in the sky.
This is a partytreff just north of Cologne off the A3 run by Tina and Ralf. From reports on the German sites it gets mixed revues. What I know of the couple they run a fairly lively club with plenty of loud music, drinking and how's your father. In other words very German. The women are not as the saying goes Optic Fickswert but fullsome amateurs and as is with Germans everything is done together as a group. Individual sex sessions happen if the women are paid to be there and in that case you will be given a good seeing to soon after you get there, so you can settle down for a drinking session while you wait for them to push off and have a rumble in the play rooms. For me the only difference between Germans at a partytreff have sex and Germans drinking is they don't have a glass in their hands. All done with the same gusto and decibel level. Not speaking German should not be a problem, though it helps a great deal to get yourself into the scrum if you do.
Partytreffs are very much a case of paying your money and hoping ..... whereas a FKK/sauna club you make your choice and pay your money. From what I've heard Tina and Ralf will guarantee you a fun evening .... if you like fun German evenings.
This Geiler Bock is an okay dude!
I sent a follow up question to him on the RF on more details on the physical plant of this PT and he replied.
OK, berichte ich mal etwas zum Ambiente:
Umkleide: Spinde mit Schlössern, Desinfektionsspray vorhanden
Schlappen: vorhanden und desinfiziert
Handtücher: ein Kleines und ein Großes, Handtuchtausch auf Nachfrage bei Personal ohne Probleme
Duschen: Ausreichend vorhanden, Duschgel auch, auch warm, auch sauber und hyginisch einwandfrei
Whirlpool: irgendwie leicht defekt, kein Blubber und Wasser zu kalt, wird hoffentlich repariert
Sauna: vorhanden und ausreichend geheizt also OK
Massage: Raum sauber und OK, Massage sehr einfühlsam, wenn auch nicht medizinisch, sondern nur "energetisch"
Büffet: klassisch wie in jedem PT. Aber man wurde satt (Wo gab es eigentlich je was richtig leckeres ???)
Bar: Getränke u.a. aus dem CokaCola-Konzern, auch Bier vorhanden, Thekenpersonal umsorgt und höfflich
Aufenthaltsraum: Nett dekoriert und gemütlich, TV mit Pornos in Raumecke, Stange vorhanden
Zimmer 1: Bett ca 4x2 m, Gynstuhl
Zimmer 2: Bett ca 4x2 m
Zimmer 3: Bett ca. 3x2 m, Zimmertür
Garten: Leider erst im Sommer zu testen ;)
Was könnte man noch verbessern:
- Groß-TV (vielleicht mit Sport für den Samstag, ansonsten mal Nachrichten)
- Chips und Erdnuss-flips (das wär mal ein Alleinstellungsmerkmal)
- Whirlpool reparieren
So umsorgt, wie das Bedienpersonal war, wette ich, das min. 1 Wunsch bis zu meinem nächsten Aufenthalt umgesetzt wird.
Fazit: Lockers with locks, disinfection spray. Bath slippers disinfected. A large towel and a small one, more towels available without any problems (contrast this to PT Wagenfeld). Showers and shower gel, warm and hygienic. Whirlpool needs repair. Sauna warm enough. Massage was "energetic". Food was passable. Cola and beer available. Thekenleute were polite and attentive. Living room was nicely decorated, cozy. Pornos showing on the TV. Stripper pole (I kind of remember this Italian dude dancing on the pole at PT Wagenfeld once - very funny, he must have had way too much to drink). Three rooms (he provides mattress measurements), one with a gyno chair, one with a door. He did not go out into the garden.
It could use a large TV showing sports or the news. Chips and nuts would be great. The whirlpool needs to be repaired.
Wiederholungsfaktor: very high.
If you want a word to add to your German vocabulary, here is one: Alleinstellungsmerkmal or "unique selling proposition".
CBGBConnisur
12-13-06, 22:57
This is a partytreff just north of Cologne off the A3 run by Tina and Ralf. From reports on the German sites it gets mixed revues. What I know of the couple they run a fairly lively club with plenty of loud music, drinking and how's your father. In other words very German. The women are not as the saying goes Optic Fickswert but fullsome amateurs and as is with Germans everything is done together as a group. Individual sex sessions happen if the women are paid to be there and in that case you will be given a good seeing to soon after you get there, so you can settle down for a drinking session while you wait for them to push off and have a rumble in the play rooms. For me the only difference between Germans at a partytreff have sex and Germans drinking is they don't have a glass in their hands. All done with the same gusto and decibel level. Not speaking German should not be a problem, though it helps a great deal to get yourself into the scrum if you do.
Partytreffs are very much a case of paying your money and hoping ..... whereas a FKK/sauna club you make your choice and pay your money. From what I've heard Tina and Ralf will guarantee you a fun evening .... if you like fun German evenings.
Try Partyreff Mettmann and Dorsten, they are all you can fuck partytreffs, all the sex you can handle for hours at a time. Tina and Ralf like the Solingen club are swingers establishments. The other partytreffs are like buffet versions of FKKs, definitely worth seeing.
Hey guys,
I'm a breast man.
Any party treff in germany that has a big boobs ladies.
I'm going in January
Thanks for the help.
CBGBConnisur
12-14-06, 18:27
You can probably find what you are looking for at Dorsten.
PT Selm looked good from the website alone, in my opinion, and the positive reviews strengthen that impression. I was going to visit PT Dorsten this weekend, but I'll go to Selm instead. I'll have a full report for the forum sometime next week.
Just to show how much uncharted PT territory there is out there, here is a report by Unstetiger on the RF written yesterday.
In fact he points to another PT: Club 88 as another club to put on "must explore" list as it is his point of reference in writing this report.
Someone on the RF suggested that I visit this club.
Unstetiger translates as "unsteady" or "inconstant", by the way.
Hallo zusammen,
nach kontroversen Berichten bin ich heute von 11:00 bis 17:00 Uhr im PT Krefeld gewesen.
Ich muss sagen im Vergleich zum Club 88 ist das PT Krefeld größer, freundlicher und vor allem mit Dadelatschen und großen Handtüchern versehen.
Zur Optik:
Club 88 ist die Optik besser, da die Damen jünger und provessioneller sind. Im Partytreff Krefeld waren hauptsächlich Mädels des Durchschnitttyps.
Gespräche:
Im Club 88 redet eigenlich nur Sandra. Im PT Krefeld können alle reden. Man hat auch das Gefühl, dass die Mädels sich wirklich für die Männer interessieren. Alle drei Mädelös wussten nach 6 Stunden noch meinen Namen. Zwei auch ein bisschen mehr von mir, da man beim intimen Kuscheln doch das eine oder andere erzählt und erzählt kriegt.
Sex:
In beiden vergleichbar. Es geht ums entsaften! Es waren drei Mädels anwesend:
Dana: dunkelhäutig große Brüste, schönes Gesicht. Leider stimmte die Chemie nicht. Somit habe ich keine Erfahrungen gesammelt. War aber trotzdem lieb. Mottodame FT
Linda: hellheutig, Konfektionsgröße 42 (glaube ich). Schöne Brüste, kleiner Bauch, Zungenpiercing, Intimpiercing (drei oder vier). Schöner Sex, stark auf die Entsaftung bedacht und danach sofort der nächste Mann. Habe das Gefühl Sie hat echt Spass daran viele Männer zu vernaschen. Mottodame Anal (einmal probiert, war nett so von hinten).
Stefanie (von allen außer mir Steffi genannt, ich mag es nciht den Namen zu verhunzen): Hellheutig, Konfektionsgröße 30. Weiche Brüste, eine gute Hand voll. Wie Ihr bereits erahnt meine Favoritin. Schöner Sex, man hatte das Gefühl es geht um den Spass. Kuschelbedürftig (wie ich auch ). Schöner After Sex-Talk. Es waren Gott sei Dank nicht allzuviele Dreibeiner da. Wir haben auch auf dem Sofa anschmiegsam gesessen. Die Chemie stimmte einfach hundertprozentig. Leider hatte ich nur 6 h Zeit. Hätte sonst verlängert. Stefanie sei dank.
Tina: Netter "Hausdrachen". Sorgt immer für genug zu essen und eine nette Unterhaltung.
Gesamturteil:
120 % Wiederholung
Der Unstetige
Fazit: Let's start with his overall assessment (or Gesamturteil) of 120% Wiederholungsfaktor (or a 120% chance of repetition)!
PT Krefeld was larger, friendlier and they had bathslippers and larger towels, he thought.
From Optik alone, the women at Club 88 were, however, better looking, younger and more professional. At PT Krefeld the women were more average looking.
However, while at Club 88 Sandra is the only one who is communicative, at PT Krefeld all of them were and he had the impression that all of the women here really were interested in their clients. At the end of six hours all three women knew his name.
Sex was comparable at both as the main thing was "Entsaftung" which roughly translates as "juice extraction".
He describes three women: Dana, Linda and Stefanie and the "Hausdrachen" or house dragon, Tina, who was quite nice.
The only one whose chemistry did not match his was Dana but she had a nice face and she was "trotzdem lieb". Linda enjoys her sex and pleasing men. She offered anal (not my thing). Stefanie or Steffi was the one he connected with the best as she was Kuschelbedurftig, i.e. she enjoyed snuggling and after-sex talk. (My kind of girl.)
Not a large club but apparently "klein aber fein".
Now if I could just figure out how German Konfektionsgroesse translate into American sizing such as size 8s or 10s... 5'7" or thereabouts and a perfect size 8, thats what I'm looking for... with nice natural D cups.
I'll try to find a website and add it to this post to head off the question of how to get there.
PT Selm looked good from the website alone, in my opinion, and the positive reviews strengthen that impression. I was going to visit PT Dorsten this weekend, but I'll go to Selm instead. I'll have a full report for the forum sometime next week.
We await your report with bated breath!
Danke im voraus!
Thanks for the info
PT DORTSEN might be the best the girls on the website looks hot.
I hope they are real.
I will try to find out more about this PT.
http://www.club-88.net/
It is the club which Jakobus uses as a point of reference in describing PT Krefeld in his report below.
PT DORTSEN might be the best the girls on the website looks hot.
Just checked the Dorsten website (http://www.partytreffdorsten.de/index3.htm)... The pics you are asking about have been on the website before I last visited (probably been on the website for over a year) ...and the girls I met didnt look like those in the photo's. Girls come and go all the time...dont expect to see the girls in the photo's.
Can someone please translate and confirm what days and from what time is PT Dorsten open.
What is the closest major city is closest to PT Dorsten? Frankfurt. Düsseldorf or Cologne? How long should it take to get to the club from the closest city by train and Taxi?
Thanks
Visual
Can someone please translate and confirm what days and from what time is PT Dorsten open.
What is the closest major city is closest to PT Dorsten? Frankfurt. Düsseldorf or Cologne? How long should it take to get to the club from the closest city?
Thanks
Visual
Can someone please translate and confirm what days and from what time is PT Dorsten open.
What is the closest major city is closest to PT Dorsten? Frankfurt. Düsseldorf or Cologne? How long should it take to get to the club from the closest city?
Thanks
Visual
Look up my post #1057 under this thread which has a listing of posts on this topic since the beginning of this year.
Two distinguished colleagues, Routard and Wan King, have written excellent FAQs which you only need to look up.
Why should we reinvent the wheel each time?
If you have detailed questions (and not basic ones) which have not been asked before, we will gladly answer them.
Go visit their home page too. This club is in Germany, where people speak.. duh... German, and you have to ready to deal with having to read some material in basic German.
You don't need to be able to read Goethe or Hesse or Kafka..
Can someone please translate and confirm what days and from what time is PT Dorsten open.
What is the closest major city is closest to PT Dorsten? Frankfurt. Düsseldorf or Cologne? How long should it take to get to the club from the closest city?
Thanks
Visual
Here are all answers !!!
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Here are all answers !!!
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Thanks Buttlover but that link is from my blog which is Jackson has blocked here. Here is the link to my trip report here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=477195&postcount=734
I visited Partytreff Selm - http://www.partytreff-selm.de/ - on Saturday 16/12. between approximately 2:30 pm and 10:30 pm. I will first describe the club as objectively as possible and then review my experiences there. Finally I shall make a conclusion based on a comparison with its "neighboring" PT: Dorsten.
The club:
PT Selm is located in an industrial area south of Selm. It lies on the north side of the main road through this industrial area, and is clearly marked by signs. There is a large lot next door with plenty of room for parking, also indicated by a sign.
The building itself seems to be either recently built or recently renovated. It is clean, in good shape and painted in a warm, welcoming apricot colour. There are plenty of pictures of the interior on their website, and they are an accurate representation of how it really looks.
The entrance, which one might call the ground floor, just consists of a landing with stairs leading down to the basement or up to the upper floor.
In the basement there is a changing room, a shower room, a lavatory and a relax room. The latter also has a small sauna and a whirlpool. The sauna is indeed small, it could perhaps seat 3-4 people. The seats groaned alarmingly under my own weight, so I would be cautious about sharing it with others. The whirlpool was not filled with water, but the lady showing me around did not mention anything about it being out of order.
On the upper floor is a lavatory, a short corridor which also houses the buffet (a telltale sign of how cramped the place can get), the bar and common room, and three rooms for sex.
The common room is lined with red leather sofas, five of them if I remember correctly, and the walls are painted with pleasant murals that make the room seem bigger. At the bar there is served, as usual, free drinks, and the buffet of cold cuts and two different warm meals were out for most of my stay there.
Each of the three smaller rooms are occupied mostly by a large bed. One of the rooms has a gynocologist chair. Two of the rooms have doors, one is only separated from the common room by a thin bead curtain.
Even though the whole place is small, it offers good facilities, and most importantly (to me), it was very clean and well kept. I felt comfortable and welcome there.
The girls:
The website claimed that Saturday was "Die ultimative 1001 Nacht Party mit 15 willigen Harems-Damen," but what they delivered were 10 girls with no clear theme whatsoever. One of them was dressed in the school girl outfit that is apparently used on Fridays. Not that I minded personally, I wasn't there for the theme, but someone who was would have been disappointed.
When I arrived there were five customers and the mood was lazy and languid. As the evening progressed, the place filled up more and more, and when I left it was shock-full of guys. The common room was very crowded, near the point where it was uncomfortably so, and much of the time was spent searching for a place to sit.
I will preface my comment on the quality of girls and sessions by saying that I was not in the best mood that day, as I was nursing a slight but persistant headache all day long. It is possible that coloured my experiences, and the reader should keep this in mind.
Out of the 10, there were four I found very attractive, four who were definitely doable, and two who I would have declined offers from. This if of course a difficult metric to translate to someone else, so I will once more refer to the pictures on the website and note that the pictures under the heading "Und wieder neue Girls, frisch und lecker!" show a good representation of the girls who was there. Several of the girls in the pictures I recognize from that evening, in particular the girl on the left in this picture: http://www.partytreff-selm.de/ab18/images/20/p1010346.jpg who were quite to my tastes.
The service however was inconsistent in quality and what was offered. I had five sessions, with only two offering BBBJ. Those two also turned out to be the girls with the most enjoyable attitude overall, I cannot but think there is a correlation there. Most of the girls seemed focused on trying to get you to come as fast as possible. I do not have the names of the girls with whom I had good sessions, but I think the difference in quality may also have had a matter of chemistry. The girls I did not like got very favourable comments from some of the other guests.
One thing that I thoroughly enjoyed was the level of interaction between the girls and us customers outside of bed. The girl would plop down on the couch beside you and snuggle up, and you could sit there for anything between 5 and 30 minutes and chat. There was never a sense of the girls being rushed to go off with the guys. Several times the girls got up to dance and dragged some guys up with them. Good times, though it's difficult to dance in a towel and bath slippers.
The downside of all this is that with the guy-girl ratio being as it was on a busy saturday, you could wait quite a while for a session, especially if you were picky with whom you wanted next. I suppose you could go up and ask a girl as soon as she came into the room, but of those I saw doing that, maybe half got brushed off with her wanting to take a break first, and then sitting down next to someone else. Still, I managed to get my sessions with the girls I wanted, even if I had to wait.
Out of my five sessions, only the first was with two girls, the rest were one-on-one. Also, there was no public sex that I could see, the rooms were not shared. And when one guy looked in on one of my sessions, the girl shooed him away.
They offer a free massage at the hands of Vera, an older lady, who was very, very skillful with her hands. I would recommend it to anyone who visits, it was definitely one of the high points.
Conclusion:
My only other PT experience has been at PT Dorsten, and since they are not that far apart, it is reasonable to conclude with a comparison. I would say that Dorsten leads in service quality and space. Theirs is a bigger location, and the girls there offer BBBJ without quibble. I am also very fond of the way they tend to go two or three girls on a customer. And for me the public sex is also an added point for Dorsten, but that is of course a matter of personal preference. I also find the wait times shorter in Dorsten, and the ability to jump in on the action is great.
Selm wins on facilities and ambience and interaction. It feels cozy and welcoming, and cuddling with the girls on the couches was very nice. They also had a good variety of girls with different nationalities. I found polish, lithuanian, turkish and spanish. There may have been more, I did not do any comprehensive investigation.
The price for Dorsten on a Saturday is €125, compared to €110 for Selm. I do not think the price difference is great enough to be a factor in choosing either or, but one should rather let it be up to personal taste. I think Selm offers a more intimate and relaxed setting, while Dorsten is better for those of us who likes our sex out in the public and all over the place, so to speak.
I would go back to PT Selm if I was in the area, but would not drive out of my way for it again. I would probably also look to visiting on a weekday when it is less busy (but that was and is not an option for me at the present).
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Great stuff Nukrimo,
I did the honours for you in Reports of Distinction :D
Visited X Treff (near Hammersbach) recently and the girls were not even close to what the pictures on the website shows. There were 3 girls on a Saturday. 1 fuckable and two overweight. I had cum quickly to get it over with. Has anyone gone to Dolce Vita in Wagenfeld? I hear some good reports from there but I don't want to drive 3 to 4 hours unless it's definitely worth it.
This is pioneering stuff!
Your mentioning the girls kind of just sitting there and talking for a while reminds me of the athmosphere at PT Muenster.
You had to kind of sit and kind of romance her for a while before you did the nasty deed. Not a bad thing but it is different from the "action all the time" attitude at other PTs where the girls aren't allowed any idle time.
They do make an effort to make you come each time at these PTs but somehow I have learned over time how to foil their attempts to do so.
Strange but when I first got into this hobby I went through stages. I first found using a condom a strange thing. Then I got used to it.
Back then I thought my problem was coming too quickly.
Now I'm experiencing the opposite: it can take a very long time before I come. I make the girls work harder at it. There are exceptions but it is only if she is pushing all of the right buttons or if it is my first session after a very long abstinence.
I only come with the ones I consider worthy and sometimes I don't come at all but just enjoy the sensation of poking into a nice warm place. Some women get annoyed at this.
I remember having a conversation with one of the women at PT Dorsten once while I was poking at a friend. She was just incredulous that I was spending this time just parked inside her friend with no intention of coming at all.
Nowadays I take the attitude that if I don't come its okay. If I do come, thats okay too.
There are so many women and so little come to go around.
Can someone please translate and confirm what days and from what time is PT Dorsten open.
What is the closest major city is closest to PT Dorsten? Frankfurt. Düsseldorf or Cologne? How long should it take to get to the club from the closest city?
Thanks
Visual
for those of us trying to do research in german -- copy the text from the club website and paste it into this page http://babelfish.altavista.com/ --- you will get good enough (albeit sometimes strange) answers to most of your logistical questions.
Based on the photos on their website, if you are fond of Rumanian women, you should be in seventh heaven.
Those women do not look Polish to me. They have that dark Slavic but southern Slavic look.Just to be pedantic, Rumanians are not a slavic, but rather a romance, people.
FarmWorker
12-18-06, 23:59
How do I find the Google map of partytreff's and fkk's refered to in this thread?
Anything to help make finding these easier!
This dude, finder, posted a question on the RF asking himself if he would prefer PT Selm over PT Dorsten. He then went himself to check PT Selm auch.
zunächst mal, die frage ist für mich beantwortet.
heute hatte ich mir einen tag freigeschaufelt und wollte auf grund der vielen positiven berichte mal den pt selm testen (wäre ich doch nur besser nach dorsten gefahren).
auf der hp sind bis zum 31. 12. 06 immer mindestens 10 mädels angekündigt. bei meinem anruf um 10 uhr wurden dann "mindestens" 7 mädels angekündigt, bei meinem eintreffen um 10.30 uhr waren dann nur 5 mädels anwesend, der eintritt betrug trotzdem 99,99€.
gewichtsmäßig hätten allerdings die pfunde der anwesenden damen auch für 8 -9 mädels gereicht. herkunft der damen: deutschland, polen, rumänien, bulgarien und brasilien (eigentlich ein guter mix) es tauchte dann um 11 uhr noch eine weitere polnische maid auf, leider nur als ersatz für die einzig wirklich ansprechende maus aus rumänien, die dann wegen unpässlichkeit den pt verließ.
die stimmung war sehr gedämpft, was wohl an den mangelnden sprachkenntnissen der weiblichen belegschaft lag. außer mir waren noch 4-5 handtuchträger anwesend, gottseidank noch ein gesprächiger mitmensch den ich aus dorsten kannte.
die aktionen auf den zimmern liefen im dunkeln ab (es gab auch nicht wirklich viel zu sehen ;-) ) und waren eher als schlecht zu bezeichnen. 2x blasen mit gummi, 2x ohne gummi, wobei alles sehr schnell gehen sollte. ficken nur in der missio, nur eine ließ sich auch von hinten nehmen. insgesamt keine der 4 nummern wirklich gut.
hatte ich nur einen schlechten tag erwischt? ich weiß es nicht. hab den pt dann um 14 uhr verlassen. auf der rückfahrt gingen mir dann noch die herrlichen aktionen der dorstener belegschaft durch den kopf und mein entschluss stand fest: der pt selm wird mich so schnell (wennn überhaupt) nicht wiedersehen.
gruß
finder
Fazit: On the PT Selm website it says there are ten women present. He calls at 10 AM and they say they will have "at least" seven. He gets there at 10:30 and there are five women there. Entry fee was 99,99 Euros. Though there were only five women there, their collective weight was equivalent to eight or nine normal women (!). The women came from Germany, Rumania, Bulgaria, Poland and Brazil. A Polish woman came later to replace a Rumanian "Tussi" who left. Most women could not communicate (in German that is). (This I consider a problem. For some of you, you wouldn't care). There were four to five other customers at the time he was there. Everything took place in the dark. He had four "mittelmaessige" sessions. He left at 14 hours.
He doesn't know if he simply picked the wrong day but this club is not seeing him again.
One thing about PTs. Some guys like them and some guys don't. I think they are okay but don't think I could just do PTs only. Variety is a good thing.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=542779&postcount=98
Hey WK,
This is priceless! I'd almost forgotten how it was laid out outside.
Just to be pedantic, Rumanians are not a slavic, but rather a romance, people.
Hey Svenfkk,
True.
Their language is somehow connected with Latin hence their natural affinity with Italian, French, Portuguese and Spanish.
I stand corrected.
(I'd never thought of it before but maybe I'd have fewer communication problems with them if I spoke French to them. Who knows, it might change my perspective.)
Another bit of trivia about Romania from Wikipedia:
The average gross wage per month in Romania is 1280 lei as of November 2006, equating to €353.96 (US$468.11) based on international exchange rates and $810.45 based on purchasing power parity.
The economic motivation to leave Romania for work in Germany is clear when one considers how much these women make per session versus how much they would make back home.
Romania officially joins the EU, by the way, on January first of 2007.
I never got around to writing to you about why I was trying to connect with you via PM.
I had intended to make an observation.
If you read this thread one gets the impression that there is only one PT out there worth visiting: PT Dorsten. The number of questions we get from newbies about this one club has the potential of creating unintended consequences for them. It already gets quite crowded on certain days. I am just hoping it doesn't, in the end, result in success killing the club.
How do I find the Google map of partytreff's and fkk's refered to in this thread?
Anything to help make finding these easier!
Under the General Information thread is an index I created.
Its post #1833.
There you will find mention of which posts under that thread deal with this topic.
Next!
What does the word Hessen mean?
Hessen is a Bundesland. Germany is also known as the Federal Republic of Germany and it is composed of Bundeslaender or federal states.
Some of them are city states such as Bremen and Berlin. Others are larger provinces such as Baden-Wuerttemberg (BW) or Bayern (Bavaria).
The main Bundeslaender for destination FKK activity are NRW (Nordrhein Westfalen) and Hessen.
There is activity everywhere but again for destination travel, these two states are your best bet.
I have found out about 90% of the way to get to PT Dorsten, taking train to Wulfen Station/Dorsten. From the train since no taxi available, how do I get there walking.
DFWdude
www.mappy.com is the way I worked it out. It is a 20 minute walk min.
other option is to walk to any of the bars, hotels, restaurants around and get them to call u a cab.
I have found out about 90% of the way to get to PT Dorsten, taking train to Wulfen Station/Dorsten. From the train since no taxi available, how do I get there walking.
If the weather is nice it is a pleasant walk from the station. Get a good map of Wulfen. There is a nice path to walk that runs next to the main road. You just need to cross the road at the main bridge. PT Dorsten is a bit hard to find as it is located behind some warehouse buildings. If you see the tall radio towers you are close. It looks almost like you are going down a road that is about to end.
With a good map and about 20-30 minutes you should have no problem. Do be careful about the return train to Dorsten. Check the schedule before you leave the station. The last train used to be something like 18:45.
Cheers,
Bob
Fly Bob, during that walk would there be a hotel on the way? Maybe checking into a hotel while walking by and catching the train in the morning would be the way to go.
Ok looks like I will go to PT Dorsten on 01Feb07, thanks to WanKings recommondations on his website, I have chosen to stay at the Hotel Humbert in Wulfen, Dorsten. I am planning on taking the drain and when I go to the www.db.de website for train information, there seems to be several stops for Wulfen. Can anyone tell me which is the correct stop for Wulfen on the train for this hotel and the PT Dorsten?
Thanks much!
Ok looks like I will go to PT Dorsten on 01Feb07, thanks to WanKings recommondations on his website, I have chosen to stay at the Hotel Humbert in Wulfen, Dorsten. I am planning on taking the drain and when I go to the www.db.de website for train information, there seems to be several stops for Wulfen. Can anyone tell me which is the correct stop for Wulfen on the train for this hotel and the PT Dorsten?
Thanks much!
.. to this hotel and PT Dorsten is Wulfen Bf (Bf is for Bahnhof).
The Verkehrsverband Rhein-Ruhr website provides bus stop information too:
www.vrr.de
"Verkehr" means transport or traffic, by the way.
It is also means intercourse.
"Geschlechtsverkehr" or "GV" is sexual intercourse.
I had a conversation with a woman at Babylon who said she was raising a son by herself because she had a "Verkehrsunfall" to which I replied: "Meaning you conceived on the side of the road?" She laughed.
I have a postcard here somewhere at home of the word "Verkehr" spelled as it would be pronounced in different German dialects (Platt, Saechsisch, Bayrisch, Schwaebisch, usw... and the devilish Schwyzertuetsch). Quite amusing.
Mr Happy Feet
12-28-06, 00:14
I am going to be working at Ramstein for two weeks in Jan. and I am looking forward to the PT scene more than the FKKs. Since Homburg seems much closer to me than the main PTs listed, I was wondering if there decent PTs there or closer to my location. Dorstan seems like a long drive especially on the way home.
THanks,
MHF
I am going to be working at Ramstein for two weeks in Jan. and I am looking forward to the PT scene more than the FKKs. Since Homburg seems much closer to me than the main PTs listed, I was wondering if there decent PTs there or closer to my location. Dorstan seems like a long drive especially on the way home.
THanks,
MHF
... Hamburg as in "Hamburger" or Homburg as in "Bad Homburg"?
I am not aware of any PTs in Hamburg (someone can correct me if I am wrong).
PTs appear to be more a Ruhr and western Niedersachsen thing.
There is activity in Hamburg but you are better off heading either to Hessen or to NRW.
As for Ramstein... as the French say: "moi, je n'en sais rien."
Thank god for the Partytreff scene. The prices for paid sex in Eastern Europe are just rocketing up, there is a guy in the Prague thread looking forward to paying some hot escort 150 euro per hour!!!
The fact that partytreff clubs are still only 100 euro per day is just fantastic when you think about it. Being able to have 5 or 10 sexual encounters for 100 euro is just the most incredible value for money, compared to the rest of the western world where 100 euro might just buy her a fucking drink !!!
Thank god for the Partytreff scene. The prices for paid sex in Eastern Europe are just rocketing up, there is a guy in the Prague thread looking forward to paying some hot escort 150 euro per hour!!!
The fact that partytreff clubs are still only 100 euro per day is just fantastic when you think about it. Being able to have 5 or 10 sexual encounters for 100 euro is just the most incredible value for money, compared to the rest of the western world where 100 euro might just buy her a fucking drink !!!Incredible "value"? Depends on your expectations and what you consider "value". Think twice - this means that the girls must be getting less than 10€ for each fuck when you substract the overhead for the club. And on bad days substantially less, and then her manager (and the placement fee) has to be paid from that income too.
Which means the girls could not even buy a decent meal at the restaurant next door for a session on the mattress. I'm not against party treffs, but the economics are rather distorted and questionable.
Regarding "value" - PTs are very much hit and miss. It can be great, but I've also seen bad days in PTs, and would rather spend 150€ for some quality time with a gorgeous lady in a nice environment.
Incredible "value"? Depends on your expectations and what you consider "value".
Regarding "value" - PTs are very much hit and miss. It can be great, but I've also seen bad days in PTs, and would rather spend 150€ for some quality time with a gorgeous lady in a nice environment.
Fritz,
Since the PT's are hit and miss, do you have any experience with which places are more on the hit side and less likely to be on the miss?
Also, if you look at the potential income for some girls at a FKK it could be lower than a PT. If there is lots of competition for a limited number of men she could walk out with little or nothing. Either way it is a risk for the girl, more at the FKK and less at the PT. At the PT she will be paid for her time and not the number of sessions.
I look forward to your suggestions on the better PT's to try out.
CBGBConnisur
12-29-06, 20:36
FKKs tend to have younger and more beautiful women. There is saying that you get what you pay for. I have been to a couple of partytreffs, while you get all you can fuck for a flat price, I like a good small FKK club for premium service.
Prague has been expensive for some time, if you want real value for money try other EE cities, I heard Varna is great during the summer months.
Which means the girls could not even buy a decent meal at the restaurant next door for a session on the mattress. I'm not against party treffs, but the economics are rather distorted and questionable.
From what I know Partytreff girls look at their income on a daily basis rather than per trick like FKK girls. Apparently Partytreff girls get paid a % of the daily take, which is then divided between them. According to a local guy I was talking to in PT dorsten, the Dorsten girls get 40% of the daly take, and the daily take is often about €4000, (40 guys). So if 6 girls are working that day, then they split 1600 by 6, so about 270 each.
And €270 is a bit more per day than working in a hairdressers in Warsaw.
I also know that the dorsten girls dont have to pay for food or accomadation. so they can save most of that money.
Id say most girls do turn 20 or 30 tricks per day, so their rate per trick is pretty low.
is going to work at Ramstein, which is probably the US airbase near Kaiserslautern and Homburg in the south-west? So neither Bad Homburg nor Hamburg.
I've no idea what the PT scene around there is, I am afraid. But there are clubs and brothels around KL and in Homburg. Generally, I would say this is not a bad area. And you're really only a sprint away from Frankfurt up the A63 Autobahn.
If you want some info on Homburg (not PT), perhaps send me a PM.
From what I know Partytreff girls look at their income on a daily basis rather than per trick like FKK girls. Apparently Partytreff girls get paid a % of the daily take, which is then divided between them. According to a local guy I was talking to in PT dorsten, the Dorsten girls get 40% of the daly take, and the daily take is often about €4000, (40 guys). So if 6 girls are working that day, then they split 1600 by 6, so about 270 each.
And €270 is a bit more per day than working in a hairdressers in Warsaw.
I also know that the dorsten girls dont have to pay for food or accomadation. so they can save most of that money.
Id say most girls do turn 20 or 30 tricks per day, so their rate per trick is pretty low.
.. is quite different.
According to this guy I had a conversation with in the sauna at PT Dorsten, they are paid a flat fee per customer.
So the more customers who come to visit the club during their work shift, the more money they make.
Having a club owner agree to sharing the days proceeds with his girls... I don't know. If I were one of these women, I'd want a green eyeshades auditor sitting in a back room making an independent count.
These girls are not employees but rather independent contractors. Otherwise this raises all sorts of labor law issues for the club owner.
The girls are, as well, independent contractors at the regular FKK clubs where sometimes they are referred to as female guests.
.. they are paid a flat fee per customer.
The girls are, as well, independent contractors at the regular FKK clubs where sometimes they are referred to as female guests.
..
the Dorsten girls get 40% of the daily take, and the daily take is often about €4000, (40 guys). So if 6 girls are working that day, then they split 1600 by 6, so about 270 each.
40% of 100Euro is kind of flat fee! so I believe you are saying the same.
Now, the ratio is more often 1:2 than 1:7 and that turns into 80 euros for a 12 hour day of independant worker. Pay one half for taxes and insurance and you end with 1000 euro per month of hard work.
Fritz,
Since the PT's are hit and miss, do you have any experience with which places are more on the hit side and less likely to be on the miss?
Also, if you look at the potential income for some girls at a FKK it could be lower than a PT. If there is lots of competition for a limited number of men she could walk out with little or nothing. Either way it is a risk for the girl, more at the FKK and less at the PT. At the PT she will be paid for her time and not the number of sessions.
I look forward to your suggestions on the better PT's to try out.Fly Bob:
Sure, underperforming FKK girls sometimes don't make any money - but that means they don't have to work. The FKK pay system is 'fair' in that respect since the income directly depends on the delivered service.
Rg. suggestions: I meant that each visit to an AYCF and PT can be either hit or miss - your milage may vary a lot even in 'good' PTs. I'd still recommend PT Dorsten - because it's great on good days and because Roberto seems to be really focussed to make his customers happy.
@CBGB:
I've been to Prague clubs only a few times - and I was always disappointed. Prices have soared over the years, and I'd say that you can get better and cheaper service in German clubs nowadays. There might be still some gems in Prague if you know the scene well - but on average, I don't think it's worth the visit.
... at a pt: when is it sex?
i know this is kind of trivial and similar to bill clinton's declaring that it depends on what the definition of "is" is.
carnal knowledge according to wikipedia:
the word "carnal" derives from latin carnalis, meaning "fleshly", and the word "knowledge" in this phrase derives from the "biblical sense" of the word, which means "sexual relations".
in criminology, the phrase has had different meanings at different times and in different jurisdictions. while commonly a mere euphemism for sexual intercourse (not necessarily unlawful), different jurisdictions may define carnal knowledge as a specific sex act such as contact between a penis and vagina, some laws elaborating this to include even "slight penile penetration of female genitalia". the definition sometimes includes a set of sex acts that include anal sex and/or oral sex, while some statutes specifically exclude such acts. the law may specify that the sex act must result in ejaculation, and/or orgasm. carnal knowledge has also sometimes meant sexual intercourse outside of marriage, and sometimes refers to sex with someone under the age of consent. the phrase is often found in this sense in modern legal usage, as the term "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" implies lack of consent, and consent is considered irrelevant to such cases.
apparently, whether or not you are having sex depends on the jurisdiction and its definition of what sex is.
i am, unfortunately, not like our distinguished colleague, svenfkk, who can climax each time.
because i indulge in so much activity a pt, i have to hold it back and only give it up for women i think are worthy.
is it sex?
because i always don't ejaculate or have an orgasm, poking away may resemble sex but not actually be sex at all.
Having a club owner agree to sharing the days proceeds with his girls... I don't know. If I were one of these women, I'd want a green eyeshades auditor sitting in a back room making an independent count.
He he Jackyo :D
Who knows forsure what they are paid or how they get paid, and unless we get to interview the owner maybe we will never know the exact truth, and to be honest I dont really care as long they suck my Chopper when I go there.
He he Jackyo :D
Who knows forsure what they are paid or how they get paid, and unless we get to interview the owner maybe we will never know the exact truth, and to be honest I dont really care as long they suck my Chopper when I go there.
All I know is that somehow they have an arrangement which is acceptable to all of them.
Have a great New Year!
Apparently, whether or not you are having sex depends on the jurisdiction and its definition of what sex is.[...]
Because I always don't ejaculate or have an orgasm, poking away may resemble sex but not actually be sex at all.This is a good observation indeed:)! How about "intentional stimulation of genitals"? Even dry humping would qualify as sex then:)
If there are such ambiguities in defining sex, think about how difficult it must be to define prostitution... What is the difference between paying 50€ cash, as opposed to buying a vacation to Bermuda for the missus, who is watching soap operas at home all day long:confused:
Have a FKKing great New Year!
This is a good observation indeed:)! How about "intentional stimulation of genitals"? Even dry humping would qualify as sex then:)
If there are such ambiguities in defining sex, think about how difficult it must be to define prostitution... What is the difference between paying 50€ cash, as opposed to buying a vacation to Bermuda for the missus, who is watching soap operas at home all day long:confused:
Have a FKKing great New Year!
.. when is it sex and not "assisted masturbation"?
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Went to PT Dorsten last Thursday and Saturday for college girl day. Had a great time being there for the first time at a good Partytreff. Around 6 Girls on Thursday more attractive overall than on Saturday. Had a hard time getting a hard on with other guys looking in on the action. Solved this problem the second time by getting a little drunk before I came the second time. Also, noticed you will have a hard time getting an erection with so many cums in the hours you visit. Viagra or testosterone may help out but haven't tried this yet. The girls will definitely double team you, one sucking while the other waits for you to get hard and fuck. Also, if you can't get a stiff one, they will whack you off with motion lotion. This is a turn off for me so be prepared.
PROS: Many fairly good looking girls and you do get a lot of oral eventhough you might not fuck all of them. Good bang for buck.
CONS: Seems impersonal and the girls are fucking machines. Don't expect a personal GFE experience.
If you keep this in mind, you can still have a good time.
Xtreff: 627, 988,993, 995, 1051
Fashion Privat Party 631, 690
Directions 705
Heavensgate
Directions 645
Hotel 647
Skyribar 656
DV versus Dorsten 682
Oberhausen 683
Beverly 608, 616, 664, 797, 800, 808, 810, 813, 814, 817, 863, 866
Directions 670
Hotel 865, 870, 871
I'm sure this is a stupid question, but how do i link to these reports? I've tried pasting the number into the URL but doesnt seem to work
Thanks
I'm sure this is a stupid question, but how do i link to these reports? I've tried pasting the number into the URL but doesnt seem to work
Thanks
... the old manual way. Look at the number of the most recent report in the appropriate thread (it's in the upper right hand corner). Subtract the report number from the most recent report number and divide by 15 (the number of reports on a page). If the result is a whole number that's the page number where you'll find the report you're looking for. If it's a number + fraction, add 1 to the number and that will be the page number where you'll find the report you're looking for.
For example- if you want to read report number 1051 on the party treff thread, go to the thread's most recent report which is 1142.
(1142-1051)/15= 6 + 1/15th. You'll find the report on page 7.
Njoy
... the old manual way. look at the number of the most recent report in the appropriate thread (it's in the upper right hand corner). subtract the report number from the most recent report number and divide by 15 (the number of reports on a page).
not that easy. it all depends on how many posts you yourself have selected in your user cp section. you can have anywhere from 5 to 1,000 posts showing on any given page. if you have high speed wireless and dont mind having a ton of info downloading at any given time...you can easily search for the post number using your "find on this page" provided by your browser.
CBGBConnisur
01-04-07, 18:10
Dorsten and Mettman are Partytreffs with paid staff, clubs like Beverly are swinger clubs with amateurs. There are some paid staff at the Beverly, usually on Fridays. Beverly caters primarily to couples while Mettmann and Dorsten are for single males.
Usually I would ignore this poster, but once again he has posted misinformation so to set the record straight- the hired women at Beverly are there on weekdays and they are there to make sure that single men don't go away "ungepoppt". Beverly is a swingertreff so it caters to couples and singles except on nights which are designated couples only.
CBGBConnisur
01-05-07, 18:39
Ahem, Friday is a weekday if I recall, as I said I went to the Beverly a couple of years ago on a Friday night and there were paid staff in the backrooms. You might get lucky on occasion.
Clubs like Dorsten and Mettmann are meant for single males. Still FKKs are the best thing going. 50EUR for a half hour of sex with bbbj is excellent value for money, especially considering the quality of women found in FKKs. I recall my days in the US where I paid as much a 300EUR for women half as pretty with mechanical service. Germany is easily the best international destination for sex, its a safe and democratic country(Thailand just had a military coup and has an astronomically high rate of AIDS, Brazil is dangerous)
Could you recommend Party Treff clubs in South Germany? I am staying in Turin, North Italy and I want to drive or take a train for the weekend to Party Treff club.
Martellodivin
01-06-07, 17:48
Could you recommend Party Treff clubs in South Germany? I am staying in Turin, North Italy and I want to drive or take a train for the weekend to Party Treff club.Unless Frodi and his Ecoterrorists kill low-costs, like they could do in Rome, with Ryan from Turin you can get to Brussels/Charleroi, and there get a car, and from Genova you can get to Frankfurt.
Vitoriabitter
01-06-07, 19:36
Hi, a leftfield request...one of my Baltic girlfriends has been wanting to get out and attend some Swinger parties with people <35 years, we are both under 30....can anyone please advise?
Very grateful
VB
Could you recommend Party Treff clubs in South Germany? I am staying in Turin, North Italy and I want to drive or take a train for the weekend to Party Treff club.
.. for PT activity particularly if you do Bayern.
In Bayern what is worthwhile doing is visiting the tourist destinations: Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Neuschwanstein, Rothenburg-ob-der-Tauber and of course, Muenchen.
Even for FKK activity its rather sparse. (Yeah, I know. Someone will remind me of ColA in Augsburg.)
Baden-Wuerttemberg isn't much better but somewhere in the "Other FKK Clubs" thread there is mention of Labyrinth in northern Baden-Wuerttemberg. (If I remember correctly, its in Weinheim).
(Hint: Go find the index I created at the end of November. Labyrinth reports are listed by post number).
This is the closest thing to a PT that you will find in this part of the country.
Reports say though that the action is parceled out - its not f__-all-you can. They take notes of who you've been with and once you've been with everyone, thats it.
Kind of reflects on the sober, conservative, frugal ways of the southern Germans. Weinheim is in Baden though, not in Wuerttemberg (or what is sometimes known as "Schwabenland").
Hi, a leftfield request...one of my Baltic girlfriends has been wanting to get out and attend some Swinger parties with people <35 years, we are both under 30....can anyone please advise?
Very grateful
VB
I've also seen a couple or two at PT Mettmann but from what I've read, you will find Beverly better.
Or maybe my local gangbang group can create an experience your girlfriend will never forget.. :-) You'll have to bring her to us though.
I'm sure this is a stupid question, but how do i link to these reports? I've tried pasting the number into the URL but doesnt seem to work
Thanks
.. how to translate the post numbers into URLs, unfortunately.
Then the list would consist of URLs and all you would have to do is click on the URL and you'd be there.
The problem is that each URL has several posts under it and so the index itself would be very, very lengthy as each individual post would have a long URL associated with it.
But this wouldn't be an ultimate solution as the URL link would get you to the page but not to the post itself. You'd still have to page down.
There has to be an easier way.
Hi, a leftfield request...one of my Baltic girlfriends has been wanting to get out and attend some Swinger parties with people <35 years, we are both under 30....can anyone please advise?
Very grateful
VB
Where? There are numerous sites which promote these, usually by areas. There are also many forums and message boards. Hard to say if any can guarantee an exclusively under 35 crowd.
Try www.swingfreunde.de, www.joyclub.de or www.intim-events.de
VB,
If you and the GF do attend one of these parties, please let me know via PM.
Njoy.
Vitoriabitter
01-08-07, 22:42
will keep u posted, probably tee up something in March. and let u know the outcome
I thought I ran across a website about a month ago that showed a new Partytreff in NRW area. It looked like a nice place and I thought was called Partytreff Moulin Rouge. Looked like it just opened. Has anyone seen more information on this or better yet been there? It would be good to get a report on the place. I have been trying to find it again on the web but can't seem to find it.
Hamboner
I thought I ran across a website about a month ago that showed a new Partytreff in NRW area. It looked like a nice place and I thought was called Partytreff Moulin Rouge. Looked like it just opened. Has anyone seen more information on this or better yet been there? It would be good to get a report on the place. I have been trying to find it again on the web but can't seem to find it.
Hamboner
I searched the RF for any mention of this.
Zero. Nada. Zilch.
Sorry.
Go to the relevant post and click on it's number on top. The post will appear alone in your browser. Then make a cut paste of the URL appearing in your browser and copy it in your own post.
Go to the relevant post and click on it's number on top. The post will appear alone in your browser. Then make a cut paste of the URL appearing in your browser and copy it in your own post.
Merci, Routard!
Merci, Routard!
Right click on the post number, go to properties and the URL of the post will appear in the window.
Njoy.
Mr Happy Feet
01-13-07, 22:12
I visited this small PT. It is really just a large apartment run by a husband and wife team. They are really nice German folks in their late forties. They have a good bar and he cooks snacks. Music and converstion were terrific. They speak some English.
There were about 8 single guys, one older swing couple (50's) and two young swing pairs, plus one late-forties working gal. This sex-worker has seen better days in her trade. But I will admit she could service 2 at a time without missing a stroke and she could do a pair every hour. I watched her do a couple, but I just couldn't get on that old horse. (my problem not hers)
The place was easy to find, but I do not recommend it. I only checked it out because it was closer to my current location. If I do a PT again on this trip it will be all the way up to Dorsten.
MHF
Well I am sure the seasoned mongers know this, but I just had a non-memorable session at RLD. Yes, you don't have to pay a 65 Euro or 75 Euro entry fee, but the selection, cleanliness (important as hell) and attitude of most RLD workers sucks.
First girl was fuckable so I asked how much. (Nationality: Polish) 50 Euros for suck and fuck. When I got in, she gave me BJ with condom (again 1st strike against RLD. When dick was hard she got on top. I was letting her ride me good, then I wanted to switch positions. She said that would be another 20 Euros. I said then I don't want to switch. You stay on top. (I didn't like this fucking attitude and didn't want to tip her.) She also then said that if it was 30 minutes it would be another 50 Euros. (What a bunch of shit!) So I finally came--a little longer than she wanted. Then I had three 20 Euro notes. I asked her if she had change for a 20. Of course she said she didn't. So I really didn't want to tip this ****. So I gave her two 20 Euro notes, a 5 Euro note, two 2 Euro coins, one 50 Euro Coin and I didn't have enough Euro coins so I gave her a $1 US bill. She got pissed and said what is this. So anyways, she gave shitty service and I wanted to let her know this.
I should have left, but I saw another attractive Polish girl, younger with pretty face. Again she said 50 Euros suck and fuck. She didn't even give me a BJ, but a hand job with condom to get me hard. I was getting ready to cum but I knew I didn't want to blow 50 Euros this way. I told her to slow down, then grabbed my cock and got it hard myself then proceeded to fuck missionary. All the while, she was holding the condom with her hand--(what a bunch of fucking shit.) and she kept saying your done right? I said no I am not done. Then I finally came.
Again, two poor performances. Yes, I saved 65 or 75 Euro entry fee, but the level of service at the top 3 FKK clubs and even Partytreff clubs outperforms most Eros centers. That is what we are paying for in this business--a service, an experience--and if this experience is not good then I will not be a repeat customer. Girls need to never forget this. Yes, you might get the first laugh if you fuck me over, but I will get the final laugh by never coming back again.
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Xavier Yves
01-14-07, 15:01
Well I am sure the seasoned mongers know this, but I just had a non-memorable session at RLD. Yes, you don't have to pay a 65 Euro or 75 Euro entry fee, but the selection, cleanliness (important as hell) and attitude of most RLD workers sucks.
First girl was fuckable so I asked........ ]
when you do the windows shopping at RLD, always ask everything (fully naked, how many positions, how many time, touch allowed etc) then enter.
It seems you didn't do the ''homework'' enough before you gave a shot
Wierd eh? Once went to a similar treff in Frankfurt. A small private house with madam herself answering the door, walked through the kitchen and said hello to her old man and son eating at the table, into the sitting room where four other men were clustered around an largish woman attaching themselves to her like feeding fish. Not unnattractive, just the sight of the group was unappealing. In the room was a sort of dog house affair with holes and a low entrance. Pitch black inside but following my nose and guided by noises I discovered another female with her two attendants. there was barely room for me in there. As entrance was free until 9pm (I mean to the party) I left in time. Very strange and because of that I wouldn't have missed it for the world!
Another party treff this time outside Frankfurt..late night knocked on the door, man answers, clearly from decor this the right address, lots of reds and blues and chiffon and fake fur. Parked on a sofa was a young girl in bra and pants legs apart. Man apologised and said party was cancelled as nobody apart from me had turned up.
Wierd eh? Once went to a similar treff in Frankfurt. A small private house with madam herself answering the door, walked through the kitchen and said hello to her old man and son eating at the table, into the sitting room where four other men were clustered around an largish woman attaching themselves to her like feeding fish. Not unnattractive, just the sight of the group was unappealing. In the room was a sort of dog house affair with holes and a low entrance. Pitch black inside but following my nose and guided by noises I discovered another female with her two attendants. there was barely room for me in there. As entrance was free until 9pm (I mean to the party) I left in time. Very strange and because of that I wouldn't have missed it for the world!
Another party treff this time outside Frankfurt..late night knocked on the door, man answers, clearly from decor this the right address, lots of reds and blues and chiffon and fake fur. Parked on a sofa was a young girl in bra and pants legs apart. Man apologised and said party was cancelled as nobody apart from me had turned up.
Hey, Marlow!
You paint a couple of weird pictures here but the odd thing is that I can actually see all of this in my head.
I too have been to clubs and places which have either closed, nobody visits any more or should think twice about visiting in their right mind.
It brings to mind the Sexkino scene in Berlin. Very dark, dirty and sleazy with extremely unattractive women circulating amongst the audience offering up questionable services of questionable value... but somehow appealing in a strange Times Square sort of way.
I posted also recently about the Sexkabinen (or Kabinensex) scene in Wien asking if it is still there. Haven't been there in a while. You enter a plexiglass booth with holes in the panels. A woman sits on the other side and because of the holes you have limited access to her and her to you.
Kind of retail sex, if you will.
To Jackyo
Amazing! I think it's called 'getting down and dirty'. One time in Berlin in the late nineties (I don't even remember my legit excuse for being in the city, something to do with the EU) I took a cab westwards to a certain street of shame. Berlin being somewhat new at this game and overrun by Russian mobsters, it was a street of forbidding graffiti painted doors and a window through which was a sea of dim red lighting a few tables, a bar and wall posters. Not having a window meant it a residential apartment block - of truely Communist grimness. (Anyone who's been to Russia in 70's/80's will know what I mean). Actually reminded me of the dives in Hamburg in the seventies. I go in and take a table next to a stage with a pole. Stage was so small and high that accidently letting go of the pole would cause serious injury. I buy a beer and notice that the only other guests are probably not guests at all by the way they are huddled together across a table by the window. If someone had drawn a gun at this point I would not have expected less to happen. Barman swabs down the bar, why I don't know it didn't make any difference to the stains. He nods in the direction of the stage curtains and on comes a thin waif of a girl in that kind of bra and pant set that tells you she's from eastern europe.
She does her thing. Twirl, kick, kick, twirl. I applaud, well she needed all the help there was around. Barman says wouldn't I like to show my appreciation in a more personal style. I dither and get a stoney look of disapproval. Clearly this was one of those offers you are not supposed to refuse. Girl looks cresfallen. So we enter a bare room with a iron bed..the rest you can imagine. Actually she was very sweet and natural, cost me a 100 DM.
To Jackyo.
My strangest experience, and I would have to go a long way to beat this, was in New York. I was there for a Wall Street IPO and went out with a girlfriend of a girlfriend. She did warn me her buddy worked in the 'sex industry' when she wasn't working for a publisher. Hell, why not NYC is expensive for a young woman. So late in the evening she offers to take me to the SM club where she works. I felt like the hero of Scorsesi's 'Twenty Four Hours'. All I knew was without her I would never get back to the upper westside alive. So down this tawdry narrow street to a door and a flight of stairs. We climb up two flights, come across three girls in leather straps and chrome studs. She tells me whatever I see I am to make not one sound or comment. I see rooms with cages, crosses, tables, chains, spiked boards, an iron maiden and men in attitudes of painful pleasure. Some have been there hours already and will return to their offices in the morning after several hundreds of dollars worth of slow torture. I get to meet the owner who has a vast bed in a vast bedroom. The curtains are permanently drawn, a large tv flickers silently. The boss lies on the bed, his legs bandaged and an automatic weapon at his side. He is an engorged figure of a man, who has never left this room in ten years. Think of Brando in his final years. I listen to long ragings against various liberal figures in American life and praise for the Ku Klux Klan and a damming indictment of the Pope. I have been told not to flinch or disagree as he might just shoot me. It is then I notice that around the room are paintings of the Pope rogering with an enormous penis any number of cardinals. I assure him I am not Catholic. These paintings are all his own work. I admire their vibrant message, and say as much. Turns out this confused and wracked soul is one of the K-Mart family - the son they don't talk about.
I leave at around three A.M. an enlightened man. And then had some of the greatest sex ever with my girlfriend's girlfriend at a certain hotel near Central Park, where I was staying.
This was the 2nd of 6 clubs that I visited during a 3 day trip in NRW and FRA. Earlier in the day I visited FKK Cocoon, and arrived in Beverly at about 6:30 p.m.
Tues. night at Beverly is bi-night, but it attracts a lot of hetero couples and singles together with the TV's. I attended one of these a few years back, which was poorly attended and the whole scene was very uncomfortable, but Shiatsu and Cordelia visited more recently and were very positive about the experience.
The place was rocking - About 25 hetero couples, 15 single hetero men, 2 hetero single women, 6 in-house providers, and about 8 TV's. Beverly continues to provide the best dinner spread of any club, so after a light dinner, I went looking for my first connection, which was easy to find upstairs with Connie, one of the house women.
Back downstairs to shower and over to the bar to observe the scene. Sat next to a german couple' I'll call them Dominic and Helena who spoke a fair English. They got up to get something to eat and I stayed in the disco watching the TV's and an overweight woman in her underwear dirty dance.
My antenna picked up the 2 unattached women right away. One, a statuesque, 35ish blonde, in an elegant black pantsuit, was headed off before I could get in her general vicinity, by a stud in leather shorts with his large member hanging out in front. The other, I'll call her Lisa, is 25 short, petite body, and an engineer. We talked, had some drinks, then she went to dance, while I smiled and watched her, maintaining eye contact, making sure she knew that I was waiting for her. She told me that she sometimes comes to the club as she doesn't have time for a BF relationship and Bev is a safe environment to have a quickie. Up we went to the couples only area behind bars where we joined 3 other couples going at it on the big bed. Great, sexy, hot, sex.
Funny scene - the area upstairs near the barred area was declared an FKK area and admittance was only allowed sans textile. This was policed by a huge, NFL fullback sized guy in a pretty black dress and garters, and became one of the hot spots in the club. Anyway while we were going at it on the bed behind the bars, a group of naked men gathered watching us from behind the bars. Not unusual, except that after a while we noticed that they were standing there and stroking each other off until happy ending. So there they were, a group of gay men, getting off by watching a group of hetero couples
Sat and spoke with Lisa for awhile and about 9:30 she had to go. We traded emails and cell numbers and I've been in touch with her this past week.
Back upstairs to check the action and found Gabi, another of the house women, by the bar in the FKK area. I took her hand and led her to one of the rooms and had a great slow session with her. Back to shower and then back to the FKK bar, where I heard a guy speaking English. Turns out that he's an occasional poster, Olaf06, but mostly lurker who went to Dorsten the day before and was in Beverly that night largely influenced from reading our posts on ISG. He prefers swing clubs to FKK because of his preference for amateurs and was disappointed that at Bev on a Tues night there weren't that many swinger couples and not that much of an opportunity to hook up with an amateur swinger woman. He also was not impressed with Dorsten.
We spoke for awhile until he went off with Connie, and I went to look for my next session and found Dominic and Helena engaged in a passionate clutch in the couples only dark room. I stood and watched until I could catch their eyes and finally she motioned me over to join them. She gave a great BBJ and I munched on her for about 20 minutes. She motioned to Dominic to slide in and i waited my turn while going to town on her delicious boobs. Finally, it's my turn and I plunged into her doggie style. Wow what a screamer. I hope they have understanding neighbors.
It was after midnight, but the action was still going strong all over the place. I went to relax and hydrate talking with Olaf and others. At one point the statuesque blonde, went upstairs with her pickup stud, followed by a crowd os horny guys with their cocks in their hands. They went at it in the swing room and then on the cushioned platform near the gyno chair, but the poor guys were left holding their meat.
I went looking for my final session of the night and found a guy munching away on a 30 year old blonde wearing long pants with a cutaway crotch. I insinuated myself alongside them and began softly caressing her neck, shoulders, arms, sides and massaging and stroking her breasts and nipples. After she came from the aforementioned munching, she truned over on her side pointed at her bottom and said to me in German, "I want you in here". Hard for me to turn down a damsel in need, so I plowed in and it was hot and steamy and so unbelievably sensuous that I managed to come for the 7th time that day.
* Debby and Petra at Cocoon
* Connie and Gaby- Hausfrau at Beverly
* Amateurs: Lisa, Helena and cutaway crotch
Met Olaf on the way out and suggested that he join me the following evening at Bernd's but he is dedicated to finding willing amateurs and not pros, even though I told him that the pro service at Bernd's is as close to an amateur GFE that there is.
I love Beverly. It's a hit and miss, but the atmosphere is so unbelievably raunchy and conducive to making sexual connections, and the hausfrau are always there as a safety net to make sure you're happy if you don't succeed. Of course there's a danger that you will take the easy way out and only fall back on the hausfrau, but the real excitement and adventure is in hooking up in that crazy atmosphere with women who are there just to have no strings attached sex.
Different strokes for different folks but given a choice of an evening at a partytreff like Dorsten or an evening at Bev, I will choose Bev.
Excellent Iseeu. One for the ROD
Hey Marlow,
Great writeups!
Strange how the sleazy underbelly of this activity can have any appeal at all but it does.
I used to live in New York City pre-Giuliani and I have to confess to being places which were far from wholesome.
Later,
Jackyo - quite agree with you. There's a fine line between enjoyable sleaze and total depravity. I liked the clubs along the E35 Dresden to Prague for a time, because the whole scene was both totally amateur and utterly sleazy. Being picked up on the street by two sixteeen year olds is an experience that no teenage boy would ever appreciate to the full. It doesn't exist any longer in quite the 'Wild East' way it did back in the mid nineties. Though members here who visit the east european countries still attest to finding gems.
I will make it out there one of these days.
Amateurs clearly put much of themselves into it. Professionals can be good too but I'd give fully engaged amateurs the edge.
Sordid Ways
01-17-07, 04:01
Iseeu.- Your report sent shivers up my spine with my own memories of Beverly. It was so inspiring that it has caused me to come out of lurking for the first time in almost three years of membership. Wan King.- Found your blog, recently. Well done, man! Since reading Shiatsu and Cordelia's first reports of Beverly, a few years ago, I knew I just had to go the see if it could be true. And oh, Beverly has never failed to disappoint.
My last trip to Germany and too Beverly was in June of. 2005. I had to think about that one. It's been one long hard road for me, since then. I was out of the hobby briefly. Very briefly. And I had to put my personal life back together after almost ending my marriage, as a result of events that began, during my third visit and continued through my fourth (and I once thought last) visit to the Solingen club.
Iseeu.- You really hit the nail on the head on so many counts with Beverly. "Come for the sex, but stay for the food, " I used to joke. Over four visits, I learned more about that club than most, I suppose, and probably more than I wanted. On my third visit, I met Elena (not her real name). Maybe some of you might have noticed her. She often used to work the front door, collecting money from the guest. She was about 5'5" with [dyed] dark, wavy hair and a nice bust, she liked to wear a tight-waisted leather corset with buckles down the front, heels [of course] and no panties, exposing her pussy that was pierced an amazing 11 times. But who's counting, right?
My first trip to Beverly was in November, 2004. I had landed in Frankfurt and went to FKK World for the first time, straight from the redeye from the US. I had four session--The best ones were the red-headed, big busted Russian, Olga and a slavic (Czech? ) girl. I would have kept on going, but I knew I needed some sleep, before continuing. I did some business down south for a couple of days, before driving North again. And visiting Beverly. For someone whose best previous experience was FKK World, a week before, and previously only street girls, window girls, and the odd incall, Beverly was like being born again. It was my first swinging experience, and despite some some subsequent success in the USA, far and away my best experience. You have to give credit the management for getting so many elements right and creating a unique atmosphere that is so inviting. It wasn't until my second visit that I figured out that the hausfrauen were on the payroll. And they were instructed to deny it, if asked. No matter, because these pros loved their work; most had day jobs, which makes them semi-pro, in my book. Not that there's anything wrong with a pro, but man, the sordid ways (to use my handle), the "sleaziness" to use Iseeu's word of a medical records clerk who comes to the club on a friend's dare, and descends into a world of fleshly pleasure, willingly submitting herself to be used by so many men. They're better than pros or civilians. Gabi. Mmm I did her a couple of times. Then there was Marina, 40ish blonde Russian with big boobs and multiple piercings, Teresa, the blonde polish girl who was the girlfriend of the bartender. What was the name of the dark-haired Italian girl with the large nipples and the ginormously huge ghetto booty? Falling back on the in-house help was never a disappointment--- especially, when one would came up behind me, grabbing my cock, saying, "Ist die lieben? "
I got over the sex in public issue, very quickly. And grew to really get into it. And I got into the threesomes and moresomes that are possible. On my second, I brought a German-English dictionary, which I left behind the bar, just in case. In order to dispel any doubts of the uninitiated. No verbal language skills are needed at Beverly, provided on has good nonverbal language skills. At Beverly, using eye contact, your posture, and a well-timed, gentle touch can get you anywhere you want to go. I joked that I probably got more sex without speaking German, than I would have experienced, had I spent any more time than necessary, struggling with contrived conversations. "Ist die lieben? " Ja, baby! Indeed, it was too much conversation that got me into trouble, there.
The genius of Beverly, as I was starting to say, is its atmosphere that appeals to both the hot young couples as well as the mature ones, and also to single ladies. At the same time, Beverly provides for the expansive needs of single males for ladies (and groups) and for the much more limited needs of the single ladies and couples for single males. All have a part to play in making Beverly work. Some nights it's hit or miss, though I've always visited on a Friday or Saturday, when it's more hit than miss. When I got accustomed to mongering, I found that I really didn't like negative surprises, and hence, I always do my homework and read the freaking forum. In addition to having a low chance of a negative experience (unless you exclusively crave FKK hard bodies. Which aren't all that hard in the grand scheme of things), Beverly offers the excitement of an "anything can happen" upside. And boy did it happen to me.
On my fourth visit in March, 2005, I arrived in town early on Saturday and checked into the hotel. I've always stayed at the Hotel Niggemann. They take care of the guest and are "club-friendly. " Hell, it seems like the whole region is pretty open to it. You'll get over it, newbies. So, having four hours to kill before the club opened.- oh, the anticipation!.- I decided to drive into Solingen proper, using the route that would take me by the club. I stopped in to verify that they were open for business at 21: 00.- OK, I just couldn't help myself! I knocked on the front door, and when Sven opened it, I saw Elena, at the bar, talking to a barmaid. She came over to shoo me away and tell me to come back, later, when I said, "Elena, right? " She seemed impressed that I remembered her (please! ) and I was really impressed that she remembered my name. I have a thing for Russians (even emigrees) that I'll explain, when I write my novel. Elena and I ended up talking for the last hour of my third visit, while sitting in the booth across from the dance floor in the disco. I didn't have any sexual contact with her, but did receive a BBBJ from a blonde 30ish "submissive pig of a ****, " as Elena complimented her (takes one to know one) and watched another guy [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in her mouth. Whoa. Before resuming my conversation with Elena. Turns out that up until recently, she was the owner's girlfriend. I don’t want to get into too many personal details.
During my first visit to Beverly, I fucked four women, the majority of them being paid girls--Not bad, considering I arrived at 22: 00. I was with more on my second visit. Damned if I can remember how many, though. On my third visit, I arrived, loaded for bear and came a total of 9 times over a four hour period with 6 or 7 different women, one and two at a time, a few times, with another single guy involved. At least two were single amateur ladies and one, Ushi, was an unforgettably hot 40-something blonde German lady, wearing leather chaps, her bald pussy exposed, and sexy glasses, whose husband graciously consented to let me take her. I performed DATY on all of them, as it is my favorite activity. All of this happened, before I met Elena. On my fourth visit, after returned at 21: 00 from my drive to Solingen proper, Elena was there at the door. I was really interested in fucking her. During the evening, while she was still working, I returned to talk to her, and she would inquire about my progress. I was up to about four, including a couple of duos, when she told me to make sure I saved the last shot for her. Holy. Well, the last shot from this nearly 40 year-old is not always the best shot, and I really wanted a decent shot at her. So I slowed down. Way down. And we did end up together, upstairs and in my hotel room, and I thought I had hit the jackpot. I suppose I did.
Let's Fast-Forward past the breakfast, the sightseeing, the dinners, and the sex, sex, and more increasingly kinky sex. Ay Caramba! Back down to Heidelberg, and I was still preoccupied with her, even as I was working on luring a 29 year-old blonde, German chemical engineer into the sack. Next day, I was back up North again. I was now heading off the hobbying reservation without a bread crumb trail to use to retrace my steps back. Let's fast forward through the tearful goodbyes at the airport, begging me NOT to call, calling, calling, and calling each other, some more. Totally off the reservation. I thought it was love. Even her ex-boyfriend knew better, "Let him go, before you ruin his life! " I was already determined to do that on my own. Without telling her about Elena, I told my wife that I didn't want to continue in a marriage without sex. The situation had declined to become pretty dismal--dismal to the point that I was acting very stupidly and selfishly. I knew right away that divorce was not for me.- At first I thought it was the cowardice of not being able to face facts that my marriage wasn't working. It was cowardice-- cowardice of not changing my marriage. So I started changing myself.
After a year of separation and counseling, I got my family back together. When push comes to shove, I love my wife, and I found out that I couldn’t turn my back on her, but as much as I thought I would never go back to hobbying, I was pretty soon back in the action. My married sex life continues to improve, but I still have so much more need than she is currently capable of fulfilling. I would love to have the honest relationship Shiatsu and Cordelia have, but Caligula's Rome wasn't debauched in a day. I'm working on it, though.
In a month I will return to Germany for the first time since June 2005. Not to worry gents, I've been to Amsterdam, Asia, and even have had some [solo] swinging success in my own prudish country. With two nights planned in Germany, next month, I was thinking PartyTreff on one night and a swinger club on the other night--But which ones? I 've never been to a PT, and the only swinger club in Germany I've visited is Beverly. Here's the question, wise ones: Should I go back to Beverly? Wan King has said that we should all be trying new clubs. OK, I'm up for trying something new, but Beverly has a such a solid track record. I know it's what I like. I would like to avoid something ugly with Elena, although there are a number of people I've met at Beverly whom I would really like to see. That's the lovely and dangerous thing about Beverly. It's just so comfortable.
{Last editorial comment for Jackson or senior members.- This report is very personal. If you think it too personal than is for my own good, can you get it removed or edited? Although I've always wanted to contribute, I'm breaking radio silence for the first time and feel unsure of myself, so please lend me your better judgment.}
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Just to remind you folks that in the end you have to make your own mind up how good a place is by visiting it. All reviews should come with a health warning. for example the MG partytreff for the all-in price of 130 euros is both praised and damned. Here is the negative report from the German RF site.
Verschiedene Anfragen aus Foren und eigene Neugier trieben mich - ausgerechnet heute - dorthin.
Gegen einen Pauschalpreis von 130,00 € könnt ihr euch 8 Stunden lang mit den Frauen vergnügen, vom Buffet essen, trinken und auch die Mini-Sauna benutzen.
Bevor ich hier einen Mega-Bericht verfasse, denke ich, ist es diesmal sinnvoller, meine Eindrücke in einer Positiv/Negativ-Liste festzuhalten. Wie ihr schon am Symbol am Anfang des Threads erkennen könnt, war ich nicht zufrieden.
Am Anfang bekommt ihr einen Spindschlüssel sowie einen Bademantel, Latschen und ein Handtuch. Die Spinde befinden sich in einem kleinen Extra-Gebäude.
positiv: das Ambiente. Klein, aber fein. Der Raum erinnert ein wenig an das Innere der Freude39. Auf ein paar kleineren Sofas sitzen die Damen, zu denen ihr euch gesellen könnt. Das abgedunkelte rote Licht und die kuscheligen Sofa-Ecken sowie der integrierte kleine Pool schaffen eine gemütliche Atmosphäre. Wer will, kann sich auch von Hardcore-Streifen auf einem Wandbildschirm inspirieren lassen.
positiv: die Optik der Damen. Ich fand sie durchaus attraktiv. Ich habe drei Damen gesehen plus Thekenfrau. Alle waren Anfang bis Mitte 20, schlank, also etwa KF 34 - 36 und BH von A - C (ich bin relativ schlecht im Schätzen).
positiv: die Frauen lassen sich bereits auf dem Sofa in den Arm nehmen, teilweise kuscheln sie sich sogar selbst an einen heran, aber ohne einen direkt zum Gang zum Zimmer zu drängen.
negativ: die Spinde sind vom eigentlichen Club ausgelagert. Das heißt, ihr seid gezwungen, ein paar Schritte durch den kleinen Garten zu laufen, zwar durch Blicke von außen durch Mauern geschützt, seid ihr aber doch dem Wetter ausgesetzt, das heißt bei Regen oder Schnee könnte es - rein mit Bademantel bekleidet - etwas ungemütlich werden.
negativ: Die Verständigung mit den Frauen beschränkt sich fast auf ein Reden mit Händen und Füßen. Sie sind der deutschen Sprache nur sehr bruchstückhaft mächtig. Ein Gast meinte, er hätte die Frauen rumänisch untereinander sprechen hören.
negativ: Wer es von anderen Clubs her kennt, dass die Frauen bereits auf dem Sofa mit FO anfangen, wird es hier vermissen. Auch küssen lassen sich die Frauen nicht.
negativ: der Service auf den Zimmern. Die Frauen scheinen nach dem Motto zu arbeiten: "Je schneller der Mann abspritzt, desto eher habe ich meine Ruhe wieder." Ich war mit einer dunkelhaarigen Maus auf Zimmer, die direkt, kaum dass ich mich auf's Bett gesetzt hatte, ihre Hand an meinem Schwanz hatte und direkt anfing, ihn zu massieren. Erst als ich sie mit mittelstarkem Druck auf die Matratze drückte, ließ sie sich von mir verwöhnen. Ich saugte an ihren Brustwarzen, ich leckte sie, das schien ihr auch zu gefallen. Trotzdem erzeugen die Frauen doch einen Zeitdruck, indem sie einem dann direkt ein Kondom überstreifen und sofern der Schwanz hart genug ist, was meiner in diesem Fall war, mit dem GV beginnen. Ich missionierte die Frau etwa 20 Minuten lang und es war auch geil. Keine Ahnung, warum ich solange durchhielt. Die Stellung hielt ich jedenfalls nicht so lange durch, der Schweiß floss mir in Strömen. Ich legte mich wieder neben die Frau, die zwar noch etwas mit Handbetrieb weitermachte, bald aber sichtlich entnervt aufstand und sagte, sie bräuchte jetzt erst mal eine Pause.
Danach duschte ich mich und setzte mich dann zu einem sehr schlanken, blonden Mädchen auf's Sofa. Auch hier wieder,
positiv: sie kuschelte sich an mich heran, ließ sich von mir in den Arm nehmen, ließ sich auch streicheln.
negativ: ihr Service auf dem Zimmer. Genau wie die andere Frau auch, Hand direkt am Schwanz, ließ sich aber auch, wenn auch erst nach starkem Widerwillen, erst mal ausgiebig lecken, wirkte dabei aber dermaßen lustlos, dass ihr normal gesprochenes "Komm Schatz, jetzt du legen" die logische Konsequenz daraus gerade sein musste. Sie streifte mir ein Kondom über, begann mit Französisch. Jetzt war Klein-Ulricus zugegeben erst mal schlapp. Aber die Frau wurde direkt pampig, brachte direkt ihren Unmut zum Ausdruck, dass Klein-Ulricus nicht stand. Ihr lustloser Kommentar: "Du Stress? - Viele Arbeit? - Du musst konzentriere, komm' Schatz." Da hatte ich schon die Schnauze voll. Danach ging sie noch zu Handbetrieb über, aber wenn ich einmal selbst sauer bin, dann bringt auch das nichts mehr. Ich murmelte nur: "Scheiß-Puff", stand auf, legte mir meinen Bademantel um, setzte mich draußen kurz auf das Sofa, trank meine Fanta aus, stand auf und ging wieder.
Daraus zusammengefasst, ergibt sich logisch
negativ: Die Frauen arbeiten absolut abspritz-orientiert, lustlos, Gf6 = Fehlanzeige, und werden noch pampig, wenn es mal nicht so läuft, wie sie wollen.
Neben mir befanden sich noch drei oder vier andere ausländische Gäste in diesem Club. Zwei von ihnen verließen gleichermaßen enttäuscht kurz hinter mir den Partytreff. Einer von ihnen sagte noch zu der Thekenfrau: "Tschö. Wir gehen jetzt in einen Puff." und sie lachten - ganz zum Entsetzen der Thekenfrau.
Nachdem ich mich angezogen hatte, ging ich auch nochmal kurz zur Thekenfrau zurück, nur um ihr zu sagen, dass ich absolut unzufrieden war.
Aus allem ergibt sich insgesamt das Fazit:
Wer nicht auf Gf6 steht, sondern einfach nur am GV Interesse hat, ist dort sicher gut bedient. Die anderen Leute, die auf Gf6 stehen, suchen besser einen anderen Club auf. Und, abschließend,
negativ: für diesen grottenschlechten Service sind die 130,00 € Pauschalpreis eindeutig viel zu hoch.
Hier noch der Link zur Express:
http://www2.express.de/koelndiskreta...00850421_2.jpg
No offence Marlow, (you do provide great reports and you efforts are well appreciated)
but I dont speak any German, and I am sure that I am not the only one reading this board that doesnt either. I dont mind the way Jackto posts German reports, cos he always gives a summary in english. I really think any German reports should only be posted here with English translations, cos it is an English forum.
Ya ya I know about the web translations but look how Marlows report has come out once translated with http://world.altavista.com/:
Different inquiries from forums and own curiosity drove me - just today - there. Against a blanket rate of 130,00? can divert, from the Buffet eat you you 8 hours long with the women, and also the mini Sauna drinks to use. Before I write a megareport here, I think, am it this time more meaningful to record my impressions in a positive/negative list. As can recognize it by the symbol by the beginning of the Threads, I was not content. At the beginning you get a locker key as well as a bathrobe, latschen and a towel. The lockers are in a small extra building. positively: the Ambiente. Small, but finely. The area reminds a little of the inside the Freude39. On a few smaller sofas sit the ladies, with whom you associate to you can. The darkened red light and the kuscheligen sofa corners as well as the integrated small pool create a cosy atmosphere. Who wants, can be able to be inspired also from hard core strips on a mural screen. positively: the optics of the ladies. I found it quite attractive. I have three ladies seen plus bar woman. All were beginning to center 20, slim, thus for instance key-field 34 - 36 and BH of A - C (I am relatively bad in estimating). positively: the women let themselves be taken already on the sofa into the arm, partly kuscheln them itself even at one near, but without one directly to the course to the room to urge. negatively: the lockers are paged out of the actual club. That is, you are to be run in a forced manner, a few steps by the small garden, through views from the outside by walls protected, are however nevertheless the weather suspended you, i.e. with rains or snow it - purely dressed in bathrobe - could become somewhat uncomfortable. negatively: The communication with the women is limited nearly to talking with hands and feet. They are only very in fragments powerful the German language. A guest meant, it would have heard to speak the women Romanian among themselves. negatively: Who knows it from other clubs the fact that the women already begin on the sofa with FO will miss here it. Also to kiss the women do not leave themselves. negatively: the service on the rooms. The women seem to work after the slogan: "the faster the man hoses down, the rather has I means peace again." I was with a dunkelhaarigen mouse on rooms, which directly, hardly that I had sat down auf's to bed, their hand at my tail had and began directly to mass him. Only as I it with medium strong pressure on the mattress pressed, could her by me be spoiled. I sucked at her nipples, I licked it, seemed her to also please. Nevertheless the women produce a time pressure nevertheless, by over-touching then directly a condom and if the tail enough is hard, which mine in this case was, with which GV begins. I missionierte the woman about 20 minutes long and it was also geil. No notion, why I held out so long. The position did not hold out I anyhow so for a long time, the sweat flowed me in rivers. I put again beside the woman, who still something continued with hand enterprise, rose and said soon however obviously unnerved, it braeuchte now only times a break. Afterwards I showered and sat down then to a very slim, blond girl auf's to sofa. Also here again, positively: it kuschelte itself to me near, could by me into the arm be taken, could be also stroked. negatively: their service on the room. Exactly like the other woman also, hand directly at the tail, could be licked in addition, although only after strong aversion, only times extensively, worked with the fact however so desireless that their normally spoken "come treasure, now you put" the logical consequence from it straight to be had. It touched me a condom over, began with French. Now was small Ulricus admitted only times schlapp. But the woman became directly pampig, expressed directly her displeasure that small Ulricus did not stand. Their desireless comment: "you stress? - many work? - you must concentrate, come ' treasure." There I had already the lip fully. Afterwards it still turned into to hand enterprise, but if I am sour, then also the nothing more brings. I murmured only: "shit Puff", rose, surrounded to me mine bathrobe, set me outside briefly on the sofa, drank up my Fanta, rose and went again. From it in summary, results logically negatively: The women work absolutely hose down-oriented, desireless, Gf6 = nil return, and become still pampig, if it does not run in such a way times, as they want. Beside me still three or four other foreign guests were in this club. Two of them left behind me the Partytreff equally disappointed briefly. One of them still said to the bar woman: "Tschoe. We go now into a Puff." and they laughed - completely for frightening the bar woman. After I had dressed, I decreased/went back also again briefly to the bar woman to only say in order it that I was absolutely dissatisfied. From everything altogether the result results: Who does not stand on Gf6, but simply only at the GV interest has, is there surely well served. The other people, which stand on Gf6, visit better another club. And, finally, negatively: for this grottenschlechten service is the 130,00? Blanket rate clearly much too highly. Here still the left to express: http://www2.express.de/koelndiskreta... 00850421_2.jpg
Over the weekend, I gave one of my married friends an insight into my experience of the German sex world. I showed him this forum, my blog, and various club websites.
At the end he says "Well the FKK clubs seem better than the partytreffs"
"Well they probably are for the most part" I said, "but go to an average FKK like GT, and have 5 sessions, and your bill will be around €300 including entry. In a partytreff you only pay €100 inclusive"
My friend then summed it up perfectly.
"FKKs for the rich, and Partytreffs for the poor"
Well I couldnt disagree.
"FKKs for the rich, and Partytreffs for the poor"
Well I couldnt disagree.
I do disagree - it's like comparing apples and oranges. Both are fruit, but have different textures, require different levels of effort to consume and leave you with a distinctively different taste in your mouth.
While a PT will take a significantly smaller bite out of your wallet, you're not getting the same service nor satisfaction as you do at an FKK. Most of the PT experience is in public areas, so there's less of a chance for an intimate encounter or developing a rapport. PT sessions generally consist of the SP doing everything possible to get the customer to come asap, and there's little or none of the post-pop afterglow cuddling, etc.
I have nothing against PT's, and indulge in them from time to time, but it's important to mix your experiences, to prevent you from becoming an automaton in your sexual release. Yes, occasionally, all I want to do is pop as many times as possible without developing any feeling at all for the person at the other end of he pop. But those are not usually the memorable experiences that I've had.
Even if for budgetary reasons, a poor man's FKK visit is limited to one pop, he's still benefitting from the atmosphere, facilities, sights and sounds for the same price as the PT entry.
Iseeu.- Your report sent shivers up my spine with my own memories of Beverly. It was so inspiring that it has caused me to come out of lurking for the first time in almost three years of membership.
Sordid - thanks for your incredibly personal and moving post. I am happy that my post brought all of this out of you, stirred up some pleasant memories and made you join the ranks of the posters. I hope to read your well-written musings regularly.
Beverly was like being born again. It was my first swinging experience, and despite some some subsequent success in the USA, far and away my best experience. You have to give credit the management for getting so many elements right and creating a unique atmosphere that is so inviting.
I have been to many swinger clubs at home and in Europe as part of a couple and as a single, but Beverly manages to maintain a unique vibe that I haven't found anywhere else and I've had great experiences elsewhere too. It's and adult disneyland tempting you with another ride, another attraction, another goodie just around the bend. It's multi-dimensional, an assault on your libido, an over consumption of urges.
It wasn't until my second visit that I figured out that the hausfrauen were on the payroll. And they were instructed to deny it, if asked. No matter, because these pros loved their work; most had day jobs, which makes them semi-pro, in my book. Not that there's anything wrong with a pro, but man, the sordid ways (to use my handle), the "sleaziness" to use Iseeu's word of a medical records clerk who comes to the club on a friend's dare, and descends into a world of fleshly pleasure, willingly submitting herself to be used by so many men.
I don't think I used "sleaziness". It's anything but sleazy. That's part of the point. At Bev it's all healthy adult fun with the sleaze removed. None of these women are ashamed of being sexual animals. Each has journeyed past societal strangleholds and embraced her sexual liberty to indulge with no stigma. Just as structured nudity is not stigmatized in German society, neither is structured swinging.
They're better than pros or civilians. Gabi. Mmm I did her a couple of times. Then there was Marina, 40ish blonde Russian with big boobs and multiple piercings, Teresa, the blonde polish girl who was the girlfriend of the bartender. What was the name of the dark-haired Italian girl with the large nipples and the ginormously huge ghetto booty? Falling back on the in-house help was never a disappointment--- especially, when one would came up behind me, grabbing my cock, saying, "Ist die lieben?
Marina was also there last week and while I did fondle her wares, I was too close to a recent release and so did not consummate the act with her.
I saw the Italian girl on my last visit there on a Weds. night 2 months ago.
In a month I will return to Germany for the first time since June 2005. Not to worry gents, I've been to Amsterdam, Asia, and even have had some [solo] swinging success in my own prudish country. With two nights planned in Germany, next month, I was thinking PartyTreff on one night and a swinger club on the other night--But which ones? I 've never been to a PT, and the only swinger club in Germany I've visited is Beverly. Here's the question, wise ones: Should I go back to Beverly? Wan King has said that we should all be trying new clubs. OK, I'm up for trying something new, but Beverly has a such a solid track record. I know it's what I like. I would like to avoid something ugly with Elena, although there are a number of people I've met at Beverly whom I would really like to see. That's the lovely and dangerous thing about Beverly. It's just so comfortable.
"If it ain't broken, why fix it?" While I agree that we should mix up our experiences and try the new along with old comfortable, if you haven't been to Beverly since June 2005, you owe it to yourself to at least revisit the site of your old glories, especially since I'm not sure that you will find another swingertreff quite like it. You'll find the PT experience very different from the Bev experience.
I look forward to reading your apres visit posts.
Njoy.
My advice is learn the language - it's only polite. A couple of guinnesses should do it.
Will provide tranny when I have time
I do disagree - it's like comparing apples and oranges. Both are fruit, but have different textures, require different levels of effort to consume and leave you with a distinctively different taste in your mouth
You are right in alot of what you say. We could debate the pluses and minuses of PTs and FKKs all day.
But the real money shot in a place like PT Dorsten is that you miss nothing when you are there. You can be right in the action all day if you want, even if it is a bit mechanical. At least for me, to be surrounded by naked women performing sexual acts is a bit special. Not to mention that you can partake almsot whenever you want, and all for the poor mans price of 100 euro :D
Iseeu,
what were the 6 inhouse providers like in Beverly that night?? Looks age etc ??
cheers
WK - gotta check Beverly soon too.
Iseeu,
what were the 6 inhouse providers like in Beverly that night?? Looks age etc ??
cheers
WK - gotta check Beverly soon too.
30's- 40's German hausfrauen. Nothing spectacular to look at , but reasonably attractive, friendly and compliable.
Iseeu,
Thanks for putting Beverly on the radar screen. Excellent report!
Like Wan King I'm too interested in the looks and ages of the gals. You already answered, but how about this? How many unfuckable women are there around typically? I don't know if there is such a thing as unfuckable. It all depends on the level av desperation:) but as a worst case think 60 yo and 100 kg.
I'm also wondering how you could be sure that every guy attending was hetero since it was bi-night? More to the point. Is there a chance that if a rookie Beverly monger is doing the deed with a girl, is there a chance that he suddenly sense her boyfriend/husband sniffing at his anus? And how would one deal with that?
30's- 40's German hausfrauen. Nothing spectacular to look at , but reasonably attractive, friendly and compliable.
.. as the women my local gangbang group services (other than the fact that they aren't German).
They are all serviceable, like sex and make up for not being beauty queens by simply being enthusiastic.
And they don't mind being photographed either with dicks in their mouths or elsewhere.
I tell you: amateurs can compete very well with profis.
Went on Thursday afternoon. The place is a bit remote and you better have a car with nav or an excellent map. At one point my nav took me up a one lane path through the middle of a field.
The facilities are a bit long in the tooth. The changing room is a dungeon, dark and dreary with a mighty cold draft. They were pleasant at the reception and the bar.
The girls were all of FKK quality. The PT scene is a bit different from FKK. Here the girls just get paid to get it over with and that comes across. There is no GFE. A couple of moans and "come quick" I must say that 2 of the girls were excellent, just a bit in a rush. The other two were OK but just in a rush. At the top of the hour is the public sex and since that is not my thing I just went to the sauna. The 15 minutes before that all the girls quit doing anything and sort of ignor the guests.
Overall it was more of a production line experience and not very personal. The FKK seems to be more personal.
YMMV
Mr Happy Feet
01-21-07, 01:54
I just returned from Dorsten. I was there 10 hours! And that was after making the 3 hour drive from K-town.
Being a Saturday, I payed the 125. Showers, lockers, towels, and reception were just as others have reported.
It wasn't very crowded probably because of the storm knocking down many trees and stopping the trains for two days. Much of the time there were nearly as many ladies as men. (all Poles except for one Egyptian)
This Egyptian lady was funny. She was teaching a new Polish girl some English phrases during my first session with the two of them. We were just getting started with the BBBJ and the Egyptian was explaining to the Pole how to say "do not come in my mouth". It was truly a moment to remember and I am proud to have been her training aid.
There were at least 8 girls working at all times. Only two were not FKK quality and only one seemed to ever rush or look disinterested. Two of the hottest put on a a little show with a dildo.
My favorite was a gal you veterans already know, Claudia. She was excellent. She gave me a pair of BBBJs right on the couch--all because I massaged her feet during one of my rest periods.
I thought the girls were all great. They would have a session and stay with it as long as I wanted. Even when it was obvious I had no more water in my squirt gun.
I met several gents that spoke enough Enlish, plus Simone and Roberto were excellent hosts. I can't remember all of the girls names I was with. It doesn't matter they were all good--especially Claudia! I can't get her out of my mind and I just drove 360Km straight.
I think I am going to start looking for permanent work in the Father Land.
MHF
Iseeu,
Thanks for putting Beverly on the radar screen. Excellent report!
Well, I can't take credit for putting Beverly on the radar screen or even this forum. It's been written about extensively over the last 4-5 years with pioneering posts by Wizard and Sorcerer, some posts by yours truly and later on, some amazing posts from a couple's perspective by our good friends Shiatsu and Cordelia. I even believe that there's a Beverly FAQ somewhere in the archived posts that would answer any Bev newbie questions.
Like Wan King I'm too interested in the looks and ages of the gals. You already answered, but how about this? How many unfuckable women are there around typically? I don't know if there is such a thing as unfuckable. It all depends on the level av desperation:) but as a worst case think 60 yo and 100 kg.
Not going to touch that one. There are many eminently "fuckable" women, to use your terminology. If you don't find someone attractive don't try to get it on with her. No one's blindfolding you and sticking your cock into the great unknown.
The night that I was there last week, there was a very heavy set woman in a leather bustier, looked like a biker chick, who was hanging with 2 of the TV's. She was seriously sexy with huge pendulous breasts and a sassy look in the eyes. Different strokes for different folks. Would I have gone with her? If I would have had a chance to get to know her and she had made it known that she was interested and available- Yes! Sadly the situation did not arise, since I was not socializing with the the TV's or their crowd.
I'm also wondering how you could be sure that every guy attending was hetero since it was bi-night? More to the point. Is there a chance that if a rookie Beverly monger is doing the deed with a girl, is there a chance that he suddenly sense her boyfriend/husband sniffing at his anus? And how would one deal with that?
I have news for you - On Bi-night, not every guy attending is hetero. You have to be prepared for it, and can't be homophobic. If it bothers you or are wary about it at all, don't go on a Tuesday.
On bi-night, any monger, even the experienced ones, "can have their anus sniffed at" (LOL). Just don't leave it hanging out there in the air with a sign that says "bung me".
Seriously, if you give off a vibe to a fellow male guest that you're interested then that might happen - otherwise it's highly unlikely. And if you still feel unsolicited attention back there, since all activity at a swinger club is consensual, if you're not interested, just say no.
Btw, at any swinger club on any given night you could meet married bisexual men.
Just currious, my flight arrives DUS at 14.30 and the first train to Essen/Dorsten/Wulfen is at 15.50, the airline says that a MINIMUM of three hours is required to catch the train, that seems very very long. My flight arrives DUS from London, I know the 1hr20min is tight, but 3hrs???
Sordid Ways
01-21-07, 10:44
I totally concur with Iseeu's comments. Hotness and fuckable are in the eye of the beholder. I have seen single women, both house women and "walkons" who could have been working at FKKs, but I've seen others that might not have quite fit the physical profile of the typical FKK girl (20s and porn star physique), but had plenty going for them, physically, in personality, talent, responsiveness, and motivation.
While there are certainly generalizations to be made about what is "typical" at an FKK versus Partytreff versus swingers clubs or any other format, there is always a YMMV factor that is based more on your attitude than any other factor. At Beverly,the YMMV factor has been higher than the other kinds of places I have visited. I mean that as good news, because you can influence the kind of experience you have by bringing the right attitude. My four visits to Beverly really opened my eyes, and I believe that being open to the experience allowed me to grow, which has increased my "mileage" in all kinds of situations, since.
As for the other men -- I haven't been there on a bi-night, but even on other nights, you can expect there to be other men watching and possibly making a move to participate in play. While you're getting blown, a guy might come up behind the woman, wanting to fuck her. If you don't do anything to stop it, and she wants it, it will probably happen. Nothing nonconsensual is going to happen, but if you're on the first floor, there will often be single men around, watching at the very least. I wasn't sure how I'd like it, but pretty quickly I got over my inhibitions and went with it -- party on!
If a couple or a woman of a couple takes you upstairs in the couples-only zone, you might get to play in a private area, but you might also end up with other couples. I've had so much fun, by just going with the flow.
Sordid Ways
01-21-07, 10:52
My favorite was a gal you veterans already know, Claudia. She was excellent. She gave me a pair of BBBJs right on the couch--all because I massaged her feet during one of my rest periods.Another great example of making YMMV work in your favor! Treating providers more like a friend than an employee, while respecting their boundaries has often resulted in some pleasant surprises.
Btw, at any swinger club on any given night you could meet married bisexual men.
... and I'm almost sure that some of the guys banging the women were either bi or homosexuals.
I say that because there was at least two guys who spoke with lisps and sashayed when they walked. They were regulars and everyone seemed to know them.
Different strokes for different Volks (sorry... folks).
There is an art to not making contact with the other dudes during a gangbang session. Its doable.
There is no official traffic control function sometimes though.
One of my local gangbang group members was going down on our "client" at an event. He was lying across her stomach flicking her clit. I motion to him that I want to bang her in a conventional way. I go in but he doesn't leave his position and continues to flick her clit, a fraction of an inch away from where my dick is going into her. One false move and he's also flicking my dick with his tongue or worse taking it into his mouth.
I decide to back out as this isn't contact I'm interested in.
One other thing is trying to get away from flying genetic material during bukake sessions.
Just currious, my flight arrives DUS at 14.30 and the first train to Essen/Dorsten/Wulfen is at 15.50, the airline says that a MINIMUM of three hours is required to catch the train, that seems very very long. My flight arrives DUS from London, I know the 1hr20min is tight, but 3hrs???
It doesn't take that long to catch the S-bahn from DUS-Flughafen to DUS-Hbf. They run very frequently directly from the Terminal and get you to the Hbf in no time.
You should have enough time to grab a quick lunch and a beer, if you want.
My routine is I step outside to the falafel stand in front of the DUS-Hbf to the right. Its cheap, hot and totally vegetarian.
There is, of course, also the ubiquitous Currywurst.
It doesn't take that long to catch the S-bahn from DUS-Flughafen to DUS-Hbf. They run very frequently directly from the Terminal and get you to the Hbf in no time.Jackyo, you are describing the S-Bahn train (S7) which runs from Düsseldorf airport Terminal station to DUS-Hbf.
Actually, I think DFWdude needs to catch the train from the main line Düsseldorf Flughafen station, via Essen and Dorsten to Wulfen. To get to the main station from the airport terminal you need to jump on the SkyTrain which also serves the car parks. http://*******.com/2knmjq
I wonder if there is any difference in feeling between a woman and a man giving blow jobs? A mouth is a mouth after all. How does your dick know the difference? How would you know if you were blindfolded?
Anyway as Woody Allen remarked being bi-sexual doubles your chance of a date on a Saturday night. Let's not be homophobic, boys!
@Marlow: I suggest you don't venture any further into this topic. The forum rules are pretty strict and guys have been banned for similar posts f.ex. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=509081&postcount=62
So let's keep it about the ladies
Chivaz
Just currious, my flight arrives DUS at 14.30 and the first train to Essen/Dorsten/Wulfen is at 15.50, the airline says that a MINIMUM of three hours is required to catch the train, that seems very very long. My flight arrives DUS from London, I know the 1hr20min is tight, but 3hrs???
DFWdude me old china,
From my investigations and personal experience there are regular trains to Essen Hbf every 15 or 20 mins. http://www.vrr.de/en. From Essen to Dorsten there should be a train every 20 mins or so, and I think its every half hour to Wulfen. You can also take a bus to Wulfen from Dorsten. (or a cab, its only 8 kms or samfink)
And like Harveyr says you need to catch the train from the main line Düsseldorf Flughafen station, via Essen and Dorsten to Wulfen. To get to the main station from the airport terminal you need to jump on the SkyTrain which also serves the car parks. http://*******.com/2knmjq
I don't know who you are but you sound like a pious ultra conservative preacher. I have checked your link and really to compare my tongue in cheek remarks with a post that avocates or encourages sex with TS is to me a sign of stupidity (which is forgivable) or willful misunderstanding. I suppose you don't understand that Woody Allen was joking as I was. My comment was a lighthearted remark made in response to the observation that there were some bi-sexual men at Mettmann. Oops, sorry that I mentioned the Bi word! I am aware that certain Swordsman have a somewhat inflated view of themselves and I am also aware that many men who class themselves as world class fuckers are also deeply homophobic. I think you owe me an apology. As you had not the grace to write a private message about your opinion I too have replied in kind.
@Marlow: Hehe, Take it easy man, I meant no harm, it was a warning so the discussion would not venture further into that direction as Jackson is very tough on the subject and has been known to ban posters venturing into that direction. It has nothing to do with my stand on that or any other issue. Read my post again and try not to read anything else from it than actually stands there. I won't discuss it further.
Chivaz (a world class deeply homophobic fucker with an inflated view of himself)
How can I get from Cologne-Bohn airport to Dorsten and Mettman by train? Any site with directions or personal experience? How much time does it take? Accomodation for one night to recommend close to those partytreffs?
Tom Jefferson
01-24-07, 17:41
How can I get from Cologne-Bohn airport to Dorsten and Mettman by train? Any site with directions or personal experience? How much time does it take? Accomodation for one night to recommend close to those partytreffs?www.bahn.de (on left side: "Reiseauskunft") will inform you about train connections from CGN to Dorsten
Hotel recommendation: search this thread, was already mentioned.
Kaare Olsen
01-24-07, 18:02
Hi,
I am planing a trip to Frankfurt end of the month. I have been reading on the web about the club treff-188.de. Have anyone been to the club? Is it good?
Regards,
Kaare
How can I get from Cologne-Bohn airport to Dorsten and Mettman by train? Any site with directions or personal experience? How much time does it take? Accomodation for one night to recommend close to those partytreffs?Tomrifle,
what do you think this is? A travel agency? It's not! However I recommend a travel agent named Jackyo. If you are able to browse your way here, maybe you should use the internet for your inquiries http://www.vrr.de/en/index.html
How about contributing a report for once after your mongering? I looked through your previous posts without finding anything interesting or useful.
CBGBConnisur
01-24-07, 20:54
Tom try the German railroad site. www.db.de. You can also walk into train station info desk and they can tell you what train to take and give you a schedule for that day. BTW its easier to get to Mettmann from Dusseldorf. Since I use railroad transport a lot whenever in Deutschland, I usually stay near the station, there is a Hotel Ibis near the Dussedorf and Koln stations. www.hotel-ibis.com
Jimmy Smits
01-24-07, 23:21
I've taken the plunge and have booked my flight to Germany. Arriving on Friday, Feb 2nd into Frankfurt and leaving on Monday the 5th. Plan on doing PT Dorsten, PT Selm, Berndt's, and possibly another FKK.
I am planning on doing the PTs on Friday and Saturday and then something close to FRA on Sunday.
Suggestions? Berndt's sounds crazy awesome!
I've taken the plunge and have booked my flight to Germany. Arriving on Friday, Feb 2nd into Frankfurt and leaving on Monday the 5th. Plan on doing PT Dorsten, PT Selm, Berndt's, and possibly another FKK.
I am planning on doing the PTs on Friday and Saturday and then something close to FRA on Sunday.
Suggestions? Berndt's sounds crazy awesome!
on Saturday and Sunday.
Njoy
Jimmy Smits
01-25-07, 23:07
It appears that a good strategy will be to hit Berndt's on Friday as it's sort of on the way from FRA to DUS. I've got a hotel lined up at the Hotel Humbert (SP) in Dorsten for Friday and Saturday nights. Will probably stay in FRA Sunday night with an 11 AM flight Monday AM.
Dortsten and Heavensgate on Sat/Sun?
It appears that a good strategy will be to hit Berndt's on Friday
Dortsten and Heavensgate on Sat/Sun?
I guess the girls are tired after the Orgy of Saturday in Dorsten.
Well then go to Heavensgate on Sunday, Superman.
Jimmy Smits
01-27-07, 01:54
I guess the girls are tired after the Orgy of Saturday in Dorsten.
Well then go to Heavensgate on Sunday, Superman.Trying to get info on the place but haven't found too much here.
Jackyo, you are describing the S-Bahn train (S7) which runs from Düsseldorf airport Terminal station to DUS-Hbf.
Actually, I think DFWdude needs to catch the train from the main line Düsseldorf Flughafen station, via Essen and Dorsten to Wulfen. To get to the main station from the airport terminal you need to jump on the SkyTrain which also serves the car parks. http://*******.com/2knmjq
... to leave the DUS-Flughafen but the last time I was there the SkyTrain wasn't working.
Yes, you do take the S7 directly from the Flughafen to the Hbf.
How can I get from Cologne-Bohn airport to Dorsten and Mettman by train? Any site with directions or personal experience? How much time does it take? Accomodation for one night to recommend close to those partytreffs?
If you are referring to Bonn, yes, it shares an airport with Koeln.
My advice: get a map.
Second, visit the Verkehrsverband Rhein-Ruhr website:
www.vrr.de
and get the train schedule.
There is tons of information on how to get to PT Dorsten and on accomodations. Don't waste our time making us repeat this information.
Seek and you shall find.
Tom try the German railroad site. www.db.de. You can also walk into train station info desk and they can tell you what train to take and give you a schedule for that day. BTW its easier to get to Mettmann from Dusseldorf. Since I use railroad transport a lot whenever in Deutschland, I usually stay near the station, there is a Hotel Ibis near the Dussedorf and Koln stations. www.hotel-ibis.com
Take the S-bahn to Mettmann-Stadtwald.
You can either take a cab from there, take a bus (heading to Wuppertal-Vohwinkel) or walk. You basically continue heading east (in the direction the train was running).
Its about a fifteen minute walk.
I've taken the plunge and have booked my flight to Germany. Arriving on Friday, Feb 2nd into Frankfurt and leaving on Monday the 5th. Plan on doing PT Dorsten, PT Selm, Berndt's, and possibly another FKK.
I am planning on doing the PTs on Friday and Saturday and then something close to FRA on Sunday.
Suggestions? Berndt's sounds crazy awesome!Bernds - sometimes known as the Schieferhof or the Hof.
Might I suggest you limit your trip to Frankfurt? You are landing at the wrong airport for the itinerary you have in mind.
Jimmy are you renting a car, or going by train??
If by car you will be doing alot of traveling, but if you planning on trying to hit all those clubs by train, you will spend most of your weekend on the train. Also dusseldorf would have been the better airport for you in terms of proximity to the clubs you have mentioned - but maybe you knew that anyway.
I'll go along with Jackyo and say you would be better off and stay in the Frankfurt area.
Here for your edification is a report from Friday of last week on Beverly from a German couple. In contrast to the rave reviews here he wasn't that impressed, and for a Friday night too. I am posting it in the interests of balance. What one person thinks is mind-blowing another can find ordinary.
In einem wirklichem "Swingerclub" bin ich bisher noch nicht gewesen (Blue Heaven mal ausgenommen) ... warum auch, bei > 125 EUR Eintritt. Dafür kann ich auch in einen Club fahren oder "etwas" drauflegen und einen netten Escort buchen.
Am letzten Donnerstag ergab es sich dann, dass eine (sehr junge) Dame, mit der ich Kontakt hatte unbedingt einen Swingerclub Besuch an diesem Wochenende erleben wollte.
Was lag näher als Freitags ins Beverly zu fahren.
Pünktlich um 2100 vor Ort am Seiteneingang geschellt, Einlass für 50 EUR (Paar) bekommen und ab ins Getümmel.
Für Firsttimer sei gesagt:
An den Dresscode sollte man sich halten (da liefen genug negative - männliche - Gestalten rum), aber viel wichtiger: Bringt Badeschlappen mit!
Barfuss ist irgendwie nicht so der Hit ... aber immer noch besser als der Schnauzbärtige Schmimanski Verschnitt in Strassenschuhen und String Tanga
Zum Abend an sich ist nicht viel zu sagen:
Wie in den Clubs auch (Stichwort Januar) war wohl eher tote Hose. Dies wurde spä*** auch von zwei netten Paaren bestätigt.
Meine Madam ist auf Ihre Kosten gekommen, für mich gabs 3 poppbare Frauen ...
- Paar, Sie mit Top Figur, ca. 22-25, leider völlig verknallt und auch nie mit anderen Männern auf der Matte als mit Ihrem Lover (er war sehr nett, sie hat mich keines Blickes gewürdigt *snief*)
Trotzdem, nein gerade deswegen war Sie der Hit des Abends ...
Immer am Tanzen, immer am Lachen... und zu sehen wie sehr sie (wortwörtlich) an seinen Lippen hing ... Hach, schön.
- Sehr nette Dame, 25-28 ... Nettes Gespräch, aber Ihr Mann hatte eher etwas von russicher Mafia. Deswegen keine Aktivitäten in diese Richtung.
- Ein Staff Girl ... Anscheinend nur für Dance da. Sehr Schade.
Ich meine Sie aus einem Club zu kennen - aber da es zu keinem Gespräch kam, konnte ich leider nicht nachfragen.
Der Rest ... für mich ein Grund um 2330 nach Hause zu fahren.
Madam sah das leider anders
Altersdurschnitt war ca. Mitte 30, ein paar türkische Kollegen (deutlich jünger), die das letzte Mal zum Gangbang da waren, beschwerten sich, das das ja "völlig scheisse ist".
Für 50 EUR inkl. Buffet und Getränken als Paar sicherlich eine Alternative.
Die beiden Paare mit denen ich mich zum Feierabend hin unterhalten habe waren sehr nett, die Thekenbelegschaft ebenso.
Aus den o.g. Gründen für mich allerdings keine Empfehlung
He writes: I have never been in a proper swingerclub except for Blue Heaven (this is a sex café kind of thing in Gelsenkirchen area)…..why, because of the 125 Euro entrance. I can pay that in another club and book a nice escort.
Last Thursday it happened that a (very young) lady with whom I have contact was very keen to visit a swingerclub at the weekend. We went on Friday
Punctually at 9pm at the side door, entrance of 50 eruos for couples and off inside.
As a first timer would say:
Stick to the dresscode (there were enough badly turned out men around) but more important bring shower sandals (plastic or rubber sandals) Bare foot is not a hit, but always better than the moustache wearing Schimanski (a wasted but hip TV cop) types decked out in street shoes and string tanga
About the evening there’s not much to say:
My lady was satisfied, for myself there were only three popable women (Poppen= to fuck)……couples, a girl with good figure around 22-25 sadly totally occupied and never on the mat with anyone but her lover (he was very nice, she never glanced at me)
Nevertheless despite that she was the hit of the evening…always dancing, always laughing and hung on every word her man said
- a very nice lady 25-28…nice conversation, but her man was something of the Russian Mafia – for that reason not active.
- A staff girl…apparently only for dancing, what a shame.
- I thought I knew her from another club – but as we didn’t talk I never could ask.
..the rest was a good reason to leave for home at 11.30
Madam herself saw it differently.
Average age was thirty something, a couple of Turks who were last there for a gangbang described it as ‘total shit’.
For 50 Euros including buffet and drinks as a couple certainly an alternative. The two couples I spoke with were very pleasant, the bar staff as well.
But for the above reasons for me nevertheless nothing to recommend…..
Sordid Ways
01-27-07, 10:56
Here for your edification is a report from Friday of last week on Beverly from a German couple. In contrast to the rave reviews here he wasn't that impressed, and for a Friday night too. I am posting it in the interests of balance. What one person thinks is mind-blowing another can find ordinary.Marlow, I certainly agree that any prospective first time visitor would do well to hear some different viewpoints. Of course, the obvious takeaways from this report are "different strokes for different folks" and "your mileage may vary," but I'll add another. "We want what we don't have."
He writes: I have never been in a proper swingerclub except for Blue Heaven (this is a sex café kind of thing in Gelsenkirchen area)…..why, because of the 125 Euro entrance. I can pay that in another club and book a nice escort.Comparing the P4P at Beverly against hiring an escort seems to be an obviously a stretch. It's even hard to compare it with FKK or a regular partytreff. As it has been pointed out, Beverly is a combination swingers' club and partytreff, and I might add, designed to be a ambiguous. Nowhere except maybe in a partytreff could I have ever paid 125 E to eat dinner and shoot nine times with seven women, during the course of one evening -- I wasn't even able to keep track of who was paid and who wasn't, because everyone was having fun. And then, even the partytreff doesn't offer the upside possibility of joining in a totally amatuer swinging experience. If my time were limited to an hour, I might get a better value with an escort or an FKK, but I really like the value proposition of "all you can..."
{quoting the german report}
My lady was satisfied, for myself there were only three popable women (Poppen= to fuck)……couples, a girl with good figure around 22-25 sadly totally occupied and never on the mat with anyone but her lover (he was very nice, she never glanced at me)I myself am really turned-on bye the prospect of taking a significant other to a swingers' club, even if only to enjoy watching her be satisfied. On Friday and Saturday nights at Beverly, one is given access to the upstairs only if one arrives as part of a couple. As a single male, one could a little left out of some of the action, and there are definitely a lot of couples that will only play with another couple or a single female. During my third visit to Beverly, I arrived single and then hooked-up and became a couple (See http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=552076&postcount=1172) . It's interesting, but even as I was excited about getting a lot of good sex with this one girl, in very short order, another part of me was feeling like I was forgoing the wide open possibilities of hunting alone. My guess is this guy was not too interested in swinging as a couple (in group or swap) and wasn't able to connect, as a single. I keep going back to one of my key learnings: Go with the flow and try to be flexible enough to enjoy different kinds of experiences, each for what they offer.
{quoting the german report}
..the rest was a good reason to leave for home at 11.30
Madam herself saw it differently.
{quoting the german report}
Average age was thirty something, a couple of Turks who were last there for a gangbang described it as ‘total shit’.I'm thinking that the crowd on Friday nights resemble neither an FKK lineup (nor the object of the gangbang). When I visited Beverly on a Friday night, the guests ranged from late twenties (OK, maybe early thirties) on up...some really hot-looking couples, some more average looking, some definitely not for me. Beverly is not a venue reserved only for "the beautiful people."
{quoting the german report}
As a first timer would say:
Stick to the dresscode (there were enough badly turned out men around) but more important bring shower sandals (plastic or rubber sandals)Probably the most useful advice he gives is to pay attention to the dress code. One time I showed up with a t-shirt that wasn't quite black enough to meet the management's strikt standards. It was actually a black t-shirt with dye that was designed to achieve a washed look. They asked that I remove it, so I complied. hee hee. I'm surprised that a german would think it remarkable that the club enforces their rules. For anyone interested, the dress code is listed on the Beverly website at http://www.beverlypage.de/dresscode.asp .
In conclusion, I think it's a very interesting report. I really don't know what the guy was expectng, but it shows that Beverly is not everyone's cup of tea.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Trying to get info on the place but haven't found too much here.
The indexes I put together at the end of November still work.
They cover January 06 to about November 06. (I might, someday, do a complete index for all of 06.)
If you then went through the pages of reports for the month of December alone, you should fill in the gap yourself.
"General Info"
http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=1833
"Other Clubs"
http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=1270
"Partytreff"
http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=1057
Hi,
I am planing a trip to Frankfurt end of the month. I have been reading on the web about the club treff-188.de. Have anyone been to the club? Is it good?
Regards,
Kaare
... under this thread. I just put it up a couple of seconds ago so it should appear just below this post.
I've not read good things about this club. I've not been myself so take this with a grain of salt.
Tomrifle,
what do you think this is? A travel agency? It's not! However I recommend a travel agent named Jackyo. If you are able to browse your way here, maybe you should use the internet for your inquiries http://www.vrr.de/en/index.html
How about contributing a report for once after your mongering? I looked through your previous posts without finding anything interesting or useful.
Some people just don't want to search on their own which kind of defeats the purpose of having a free forum.
For the record, no one has taken me up on my offer yet.
Jimmy Smits
01-27-07, 13:39
Jimmy are you renting a car, or going by train??
If by car you will be doing alot of traveling, but if you planning on trying to hit all those clubs by train, you will spend most of your weekend on the train. Also dusseldorf would have been the better airport for you in terms of proximity to the clubs you have mentioned - but maybe you knew that anyway.
I'll go along with Jackyo and say you would be better off and stay in the Frankfurt area.1) I am renting a car in FRA. The flight cost ti FRA was $425 USD. To DUS it was over $1,000. I shopped it many ways. Plus there is a three hour layover between flights. It appear that it's about a three hour drive from FRA to DUS which will allow me to see some of the German country side as well as my hard core mongering on the trip.
2) I really want to hit Dorsten. The idea of an all you can eat buffet for 99 euros or 125 on a Saturday is one of the main reasons I am coming over there. From what I have read those kind of partytreffs don't exist in FRA. I'd spend upwards of 400 euros a day easily in the FKK clubs.
3) My plan is to hit one FKK on Friday, PT Dorsten Saturday and then depending on which concept I like better make a decision about Sunday. If I like the PT scene I may hit Selm or go back to Dorsten on Sunday. If I like the FKK concept better then I'll drive back to FRA and hit up World, Oase, or someplace similar.
4) Hotels - The hotel Humbert in Dorsten is 35 Euros a night and includes breakfast the next morning. I am sure it's nothing fancy but it will help with the budget.
So that being said, and I've read a lot in the forums, and I wanted to make sure Heavensgate was a decent FKK. If it's not then I want to find another one that's reasonably close to Dorsten that I can check out either Friday or Sunday.
1) The flight cost ti FRA was $425 USD. To DUS it was over $1,000. I shopped it many ways. Plus there is a three hour layover between flights. It appear that it's about a three hour drive from FRA to DUS which will allow me to see some of the German country side as well as my hard core mongering on the trip.
Can you tell us where your flying from JS? $425 is reasonable if your on the East Coast...but if your on the west coast its a steal.
Ohhh...plug in 'CGN' for your departure city. That's for Cologne (Koln). I got airfare for $400 (midwest) and it puts me 50 miles from Dorsten and GT...and its only 25 miles from Dusseldorf. Your going to be spending some bucks in gas to get from Frankfurt all the way north to Dorsten. $450 for the first week of May.
P.s. the CGN airfare is still cheap until mid May.
Jimmy Smits,
You are coming all the way from the US for the weekend. So lets face it your time is very short. and thanks for making it alot clearer in your last post why u are flying into Frankfurt instead of DD etc. Now bear in mind Im a man who is used to regular short 2 -4 day sex trips in Germany so I think I know what Im talking about. So here is what I would do If I were you:
Firstly Book Hotel humbert for the 3 nights. Heavensgate is a very decent FKK, and if its your first time it should blow u away (pun intended). So when u arrive in Frankfurt, get into your little car, and head to Hotel Humbert. Check in and leave the little car at the hotel. Then get a taxi to Heavensgate (only 5 euro), and relax there for the remainder of the evening or day. Have a few beers (4 euro each) and maybe a 2 or 3 sessions. No point over doing it if u intend to hit the PT the next day.Taxi back to Hotel Humbert.
On Saturday go to PT Dorsten for the whole day. Again taxi up and taxi back. 5 euro each way. I personally find Saturday the most exciting day there.
Then on Sunday repeat with either the PT or the FKK.
The reason Im saying all this is with your time so short, u really dont want to be spending half it in the fucking car. Or having to waste time checking into a different hotel everynight. Even with GPS u will still have hassle finding all these places. So the less places u have to the find the more time u can spend in the clubs.
Trust me, If u go down the route of trying to hit a new town everyday you will regret it. Well thats my opinion anyway.
Jimmy Smits
01-28-07, 02:49
Can you tell us where your flying from JS? $425 is reasonable if your on the East Coast...but if your on the west coast its a steal.
Ohhh...plug in 'CGN' for your departure city. That's for Cologne (Koln). I got airfare for $400 (midwest) and it puts me 50 miles from Dorsten and GT...and its only 25 miles from Dusseldorf. Your going to be spending some bucks in gas to get from Frankfurt all the way north to Dorsten. $450 for the first week of May.
P.s. the CGN airfare is still cheap until mid May.The best I could do to either Cologne or Dusseldorf from Charlotte was almost $1,000 plus a three hour layover in Frankfurt.
I am going to take the advice of the others on this board and book two nights in Dorsten and then drive back to Frankfurt on Sunday and check out a Frankfurt area club Sunday. Probably Oase or World.
According to the maps and google it's only about three hours from Frankfurt for Dorsten. That's not a real long drive at least not by my standards.
BTW - I keep hearing gas is expensive and I am sure it is but what am I looking at spending RT from Frankfurt to Dorsten using an Opel Vectra or similar car?
The reason Im saying all this is with your time so short, u really dont want to be spending half it in the fucking car. Or having to waste time checking into a different hotel everynight. Even with GPS u will still have hassle finding all these places. So the less places u have to the find the more time u can spend in the clubs.
I have solved this by driving in between 5am and 10am, when all clubs are closed anyway. And sleeping?...well, when I'm back home again...;)
BTW - I keep hearing gas is expensive and I am sure it is but what am I looking at spending RT from Frankfurt to Dorsten using an Opel Vectra or similar car?
Estimate, distance about 400km round trip. That is 240 miles. Assuming 30mpg (optimistic), you will require 8 gallons of gas at $6.50 a gallon. Thus, about 52 dollars. I would budget about 65. Expensive enough for you?
Martellodivin
01-28-07, 19:51
Estimate, distance about 400km round trip. That is 240 miles. Assuming 30mpg (optimistic), you will require 8 gallons of gas at $6.50 a gallon. Thus, about 52 dollars. I would budget about 65. Expensive enough for you?OTGH he could get a diesel car a save about a third, and also go faster.
Jimmy Smits
01-28-07, 20:12
Estimate, distance about 400km round trip. That is 240 miles. Assuming 30mpg (optimistic), you will require 8 gallons of gas at $6.50 a gallon. Thus, about 52 dollars. I would budget about 65. Expensive enough for you?Quite! $6.50 a gallon. That's out of control.
The best I could do to either Cologne or Dusseldorf from Charlotte was almost $1,000 plus a three hour layover in Frankfurt. Continental has flights from Newark to Koeln which are dirt cheap right now. You might do better if you try to connect there.
Alternatively, LTU, the German discount carrier, is based in DUS and flies there from JFK in NYC.
Jimmy Smits
01-28-07, 20:52
... from Newark to Koeln which are dirt cheap right now. You might do better if you try to connect there.
Alternatively, LTU, the German discount carrier, is based in DUS and flies there from JFK in NYC.It's a 10 hour drive from my house to either Newark or JFK or a $350 RT ticket on Jet Blue.
I think my flight from Charlotte to Frankfurt is pretty much locked in. Now it's just a matter of if I am going to stick with the rental car and drive to Dorsten or book a flight and use trains/taxis.
Jimmy Smits
01-28-07, 20:53
... from Newark to Koeln which are dirt cheap right now. You might do better if you try to connect there.
Alternatively, LTU, the German discount carrier, is based in DUS and flies there from JFK in NYC.You are correct. RT from Newark to Cologne is $293 RT right now. Man I wish I still lived in the Northeast part of the USA! :)
The best I could do to either Cologne or Dusseldorf from Charlotte was almost $1,000 plus a three hour layover in Frankfurt.JS, just did a search for a couple of different departures for CLT to CGN using your Friday departure and Monday return (searching two weeks in advance to factor out the last minute rate hikes)...and all my seach's have flights for just over $400 for Cologne.
Try this website for air seachs http://www.mobissimo.com/search_airfare.php
Hi fellow mongers,
I'm going to Frankfurt from 22-26 february, and i want to try out big 3 clubs. I would also like to spice it up a bit with a different experience - Partytreff club, which i haven't ever visited. Are there any good clubs in and around Frankfurt, accessible with public transport with all inclusive fees and services and public sex. Please, advise, because, i can't find any on this forum, so far!
Hi fellow mongers,
I'm going to Frankfurt from 22-26 february, and i want to try out big 3 clubs. I would also like to spice it up a bit with a different experience - Partytreff club, which i haven't ever visited. Are there any good clubs in and around Frankfurt, accessible with public transport with all inclusive fees and services and public sex. Please, advise, because, i can't find any on this forum, so far!
This is a question which has been asked numerous times. If you haven't found any mentioned in this forum, its because there aren't any worthwhile visiting.
Next!
Mr Happy Feet
01-31-07, 16:32
Hi fellow mongers,
I'm going to Frankfurt from 22-26 february, and i want to try out big 3 clubs. I would also like to spice it up a bit with a different experience - Partytreff club, which i haven't ever visited. Are there any good clubs in and around Frankfurt, accessible with public transport with all inclusive fees and services and public sex. Please, advise, because, i can't find any on this forum, so far!
NO. And do not try PT Frankfurt. It is a joke. See my report three weeks ago. Go to Dorsten or Geizstall in Saarbrucken. They run it like a PT not and FKK. Again, read my report.
A report by Zorro from the RF about FKK-Burg in Bonn, a PT. Their address is given.
Anyone up to a Entdeckungsreise or Entdeckungsabstecher or Entdeckungsausflug (see how easy it is to make up words in German)?
For those of you who hangout in Hessen and don't want to drive north to the Ruhr, this is a lot closer than most of the usually visited PTs.
FKK-Burg in Bonn Duisdorf, Burgacker 45
Hallo zusammen,
gestern hatte ich nach einem langen und überaus freundlichen Telefonat mit einem "Forumskollegen" große Lust auf Abwechlsung und für, da ich gerade auf dem Weg nach Bonn war ind die FFK-Burg, die ich von früher kannte und die jetzt wirbt mit : 120€ für 4 Stunden, All Inclusive!
Angekommen und überrascht geschaut: Als Empfangsdame und guter Geist des Hauses werkelt Barbara, die ich damals noch vor der Theke kannte und mochte.
Anwesend waren 4 Ladies, 3 Damen um Anfang/Mitte 30 von den Philipinen und eine deutsche Lady.
Ich verständigte mich sehr schnell mit Lisa / Hammerkörper, etxtrem schlank, eng, Brust- und Schamlippenpiercing, gutes Deutsch, überaus freundlich und tatsächlich extrem agil bei der Sache.
Sie brachte es dann nach einer sensationellen mündlichen prüfung unten auf
einem Sofa zuende, um mir eine erste Entspannung zu besorgen.
Da ich der einzige Gast war, umschwärmten mich alle 4 Ladies danach für die nächste Runde( ich denke, der Salär wird nach der Anzahl der selbst gestalteten Performances geteilt).
Wie auch immer, Lisa hatte mich so in Ihren Bann gezogen, dass ich danach nochmal mit Ihr auf ein Zimmer verschwand und dort die Fortsetzung UND STEIGERUNG erlebte Diese Frau ist einfach naturgeil( oder kann es fantastisch spielen). AUf jeden Fall war es ganz großes Kino und 150% suchtgefährdend!
Laut Ihrer Aussage ist der Club ab 19 Uhr voller und es finden dann auch GangBang Partys mit Gruppenaktionen auf dem großen Bett im Kontaktbereich statt. zudem kommen abends und am Wochenende regelmäßig Swingerpärchen und dort soll es recht gut abgehen.
Fazit und Infos:
Netter Laden, am Nachmittag balgen sich die Mädels scherzhaft um die geringe Anzahl Männer. Man kann, so oft man will ( und kann).
Es wird nach meiner Ansicht nicht auf die Uhr gesehen.
Die Qualität der Mädels liegt im Aufge des Betrachters und soll ab und an durchwecheln. Dazu mehr wenn ich wieder dort war.
Alles in Allem ( für mich) bestes Preis-/Leistungsverhältnis!!!
Zorro
Fazit: Pricing was 120 Euros for four hours, all activities included. There were four women there: three from the Philippines and one German. He highly recommends Lisa who is tight, has piercings, speaks very good German, is extremely friendly and engaged. They say that the club is much fuller after 19:00 when there is gangbang activity with group sex. On weekends and evenings there are swingers who join in too. In the afternoon there are fewer guests. You can have as much as you want and as often as you want. There is no clockwatching (I guess he means other than the fact that they only allow you four hours there). All in all a very good Preis-Leistungsverhaeltnis.
What a decption. Only 1 woman, and not doable. All inclusive? What is the point when there is only one? Maybe I just have bad luck but it was the worst experience I have had, and I will not repeat it. And I urge you not to even try.
ugh!!
Mark
What a decption. Only 1 woman, and not doable. All inclusive? What is the point when there is only one? Maybe I just have bad luck but it was the worst experience I have had, and I will not repeat it. And I urge you not to even try.
ugh!!
Mark
Mark,
xtreff was going downhill for quite a while already. So your experience is not a real surprise.
But as a general point, always ask how many girls are on duty BEFORE you hand over your entrance fee.
euro
What a decption. Only 1 woman, and not doable. All inclusive? What is the point when there is only one? Maybe I just have bad luck but it was the worst experience I have had, and I will not repeat it. And I urge you not to even try.
ugh!!
Mark
... about this club (Xtreff) before and you've just confirmed what I've read.
So far I've not heard or read of any reasonable Partytreffs in Hessen.
Mark,
xtreff was going downhill for quite a while already. So your experience is not a real surprise.
But as a general point, always ask how many girls are on duty BEFORE you hand over your entrance fee.
euro
I did ask! They say "4 or 5 girls here" in broken english. Then inside, only 1. I asked when did the others come. She said, she was the only one for all night.
Well I did finally find the website after some researching on the net for a new partytreff. It is La Rouge. http://www.partytreff-larouge.de
I haven't been there so I can't say what the service is like. It is 90 Euros during the week and 120 Euros on the weekend. I noticed that the website is set up just like Partytreff Dolce Vita so I don't know if they are owned by the same person.
I have been debating on whether or not to drive to Dolce Vita since a couple of mongers told me it's not worth it. But the women look pretty hot on the website.
If anyone gets a chance to check this place out, please post a report and let us know if it's worth driving there. It's located at Hullerweg 10
49134 Wallenhorst.
Hamboner
Well I did finally find the website after some researching on the net for a new partytreff. It is La Rouge. http://www.partytreff-larouge.de
I haven't been there so I can't say what the service is like. It is 90 Euros during the week and 120 Euros on the weekend. I noticed that the website is set up just like Partytreff Dolce Vita so I don't know if they are owned by the same person.
I have been debating on whether or not to drive to Dolce Vita since a couple of mongers told me it's not worth it. But the women look pretty hot on the website.
If anyone gets a chance to check this place out, please post a report and let us know if it's worth driving there. It's located at Hullerweg 10
49134 Wallenhorst.
Hamboner
.. in Osnabrueck-Wallenhorst which means it is the second Partytreff in OS other than the one in Sutthausen.
This must also "um die Ecke" from FKK Zeus sein.
Planning to drop in on Zeus next week so maybe we'll have a look see.
It is so new there are no reports on it on the RF at all. Having said that it might still be in a shakedown cruise stage.
The fact that Silke Maiden, the porn star, also works here means that it is probably related to PT Wagenfeld.
I've met her at Wagenfeld. She's got a few stretch marks but is otherwise quite serviceable. She's nice and tight and she is very communicative. I don't like bony women though and she could use a layer of baby fat on her.
I particularly don't like it when I do a chick from behind and her ass and rib bones stick out.
Yes, she looks exactly the way she does in the photos. She's the one who looks the camera in the eye in her photos. The other women have their faces turned away or have them covered.
She makes the rounds of several PTs in the area along with an Asian chick who also describes herself as a porn star.
Heck, I could be a porn star too and so could anyone for that matter. Ever been filmed having sex? If yes, then you qualify.
The PT in Sutthausen also has some kind of sister club in Lengede but I've never been. This part of Niedersachsen and Ost Westfalen are all very rural and kind of in the middle of nowhere.
After a crazy night at PT Dorsten, http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=562560&postcount=37, I woke up in the quiet Hotel Humbert and socialized with brave Germans during breakfast that had not the slightest idea about the orgy I had last night nearby. It adds to the fun, but on the other hand I wonder if we mongerers don’t suffer from a kind of schizophrenic syndrome.
I had not yet decided what to do today. I wanted to try PT Dolce Vitta but was afraid to be disappointed after such a long drive. So I decided to check for the nearby partytreffs, starting with the closest. I was excited discovering new places.
Partytreff Selm Gewerbegebiet Bork Gutenbergstr. 19 59379 Selm-Bork (Tel. 02592 917108) http://www.partytreff-selm.de. Open from Sunday till Thursday from 10H00 till 0H00, Friday and Saturday from 14H00 till 4H00. Entrance is 99.99€ and 109€ on Friday and Saturday with happy hour in Wednesday 89€.
It’s a house in an industrial area, there is a parking nearby. On the parking lot, I noticed a car with a foreign identification. We were both two horny bastard coming from far away waiting exactly at opening time in front of the door. Needless to say, it helps to socialize, especially when it appears that the guy is also an ISG member! The tekenfrau was convinced that we came together. She explained the rules, we paid only 90€ for happy hour and she gave us the towels and locker’s key. I asked for the quantity of girls, and she said that there were 9 girls, but two would probably not work if it’s quiet. It looked great, nearly as much as in PT Dorsten but with nearly no customers!
Also the facilities are impressive, much better than at PT Dorsten. Downstairs is the locker’s room with the showers, but also the relax area with sauna, jacuzzi and massage table. On the main floor is the main meeting room, a living room with sofas, a dance floor and a bar. Buffet is available in the corridor. Unlike PT Dorsten, the sessions are not public but in private rooms, some with doors others with curtains. It looks much cleaner and upscale than at PT Dorsten.
There were indeed 9 girls with two of them present but not on duty. They are all young and average too, no stunners, just fuckable girls. The difference with PT Dorsten is that girls are dark haired and from different Mediterranean origin, mainly Turkish, Romanian or Bulgarian. There is usually also a Cuban girl available, but she was not present that day. There is only one German girl and she is also dark haired. Personally I like Mediterranean style girls, but those of you looking fro blonde girls might be disappointed. The tekenfrau, an older German girl probably a retired hooker took great care of us during all our stay. I had a nice conversation with her at the bar together with the other German girl.
The atmosphere is completely different from PT Dorsten, much more casual. It’s not the usual “Hast du lust?” routine approach. During all my stay I never sat alone in the sofa, there was always a girl coming next to me discussing. A session starts only after some small talks, like in a FKK. During all the afternoon, there were no more than 7 customers on Sunday. What a difference with the night before in Dorsten!
It started very nicely. As soon as I entered, I was joined by two girls who offered me to drink and came to sit with me together. We had fun on the sofa and I couldn’t decide. No need, they offered me to go to the room for a trio. Great start! My second session was with a nice looking Romanian girl that stayed nearly all the time with me, but in the room she was too mechanic. I later went with the German girl after our chat together at the bar with the Tekenfrau. She had an incredible body and there was an excellent chemistry. The session was truly on FKK level.
Definitely, PT Selm is a recommendation, much better than the overrated PT Dorsten. I discussed also with a few customers about other Partytreff in the area, and a Dutch guy recommended me to try PT Munster nearby. If I was alone, I think I might have stayed till closing time at Selm, but the ISG fellow member convinced me to go together and discover the other club. It might sound stupid to pay twice in one day for an all-inclusive, but the excitement of exploring new territories was more important.
Partytreff Münster Warendorfer Str. 215 48145 MÜNSTER (Tel. 0251-9730839). Open from Monday till Friday from 11H00 till 23H00, Saturday from 11H00 till 0H00 and Sunday from 11H00 till 22H00. Entrance is 95€.
It’s a regular house in the middle of a city along a major boulevard with a big 215 on it. We arrive in the early evening and the tekenfrau explains us that there are 5 girls available and that the price is 95€. We agree and pay each 100€. The tekenfrau tells us she will give us the 5€ later, but I smile as I know from www.hooker.nl that she will not do it. This is the kind of thing that can make a Dutch mad! It’s not a big deal, just consider that the price is 100€, which is a bargain anyway.
The atmosphere and decoration of this house is incredible, imagine the haunted mansion from Disney World! It’s a true old style brothel with low lighting. On the main floor is the lockers’ room and the bathroom. It looks like a regular house, as the bathroom has only one shower and one WC. Also, the funny thing is that individual teeth brushes are available as well as Listerine, indicating that kissing seems to be the norm. On the first floor is the main meeting room, more exactly two living rooms with each a U shaped sofa which allows excellent social time with girls and other customers, a bit like at Bernd’s. A buffet is available in the kitchen but only sandwiches are available, unlike at PT Selm. Action takes place in the bedrooms on the second floor, three bedrooms communicating together which can be described also as one bedroom with three beds separated by curtains.
Same as at PT Selm, meeting takes place in the meeting room after some small talks before proceeding to the bedroom. Sessions are also of the one girl/one man type, I have noticed no group sex during my stay. It’s not public sex like at PT Dorsten were an audience might look at the action, but the active couples are not visually isolated from each other.
Atmosphere is casual, everyone sitting together and discussing together on the main sofa. There are only 5 other customers. Also here, I had each time a girl keeping me company between sessions, which is great. There are five girls available: an black Nigerian girl that did not fancy me, a young blonde Russian girl with a nice face but too fat in my opinion and three young slim Hungarian girls. Two of them were pretty, one was the average fuckable type of girl like at PT Dorsten.
I start discussing first with the average looking one sitting next to me. She looks tired and doesn’t seem to like what she is doing. Indeed, she confirms me during conversation that she just has arrived and she has nothing else in mind that going back to see her children again in Hungary. I feel sorry for her, try to be nice and when I feel her being more comfortable invite her for a session. We go upstairs and I try to be very sweat with her. When we start having sex, I notice that she has her eyes closed and her head turned to avoid kissing. She also keeps her legs half closed to prevent me from penetrating too deep. I just can’t fuck a girl that doesn’t like it, and there are two options: to stop right away or to try to make her feel more comfortable. I decide to give it a try, but it is not easy. I’m not Richard Gere but experience has learned me what the girls usually appreciate in me. One thing is the look of my eyes. Unfortunately, with her eyes closed it will not hep me a lot. Another one is the taste of my kissing. Again, if she avoids my kissing, it will not work out too. A third one is the smell of my skin. Don’t laugh, I’m serious! But it works only with females of course. I have noticed it before in a specific situation and decide to check it out on her. There is no better experience than on such a girl that at least is not faking. We are already having intercourse, but on a very small rhythm and on a superficial way as I am prevented to enter deeper. I take care not to try to get deeper by forcing her. From the missionary position, I take her hand in my hand and bring it smoothly on the pillow above her head. On that way, my arm is touching her face, close to her nose. And strangely, once again it works. She seems to smell my skin and presses her nose on my fore arm. I notice on her face that the smell of my skin seems to make her feel more confident. She opens her eyes still smelling my arm, then turns her head to look at me. I look straight into her eyes, trying to be as sincere as possible. She seems more confident too but not enough to kiss. I simply kiss her gently mouth closed, but the taste of the lips seems enough. She again closes her eyes, turns her head and puts her nose to my arm. I then feel her legs opening and her free hand on my back to indicate me that I can enter deeper. I slowly enter deeper each time I feel her pussy becoming wetter. Believe me or not, it worked once again. I don’t say she was having the time of her life and I don’t say she had a marvellous orgasm, she simply felt comfortable and confident, which is already a great achievement with such a girl, and an excellent lesson for me.
Fortunately, the sessions with the two other Hungarian girls were not such a pain in the ass. They had great looking bodies and gave great service at FKK level, including DFK. Again this place is a recommendation, even if it lacks in the quantity of girls. It's a great place to spend a couple of hours, not the whole day however. Another good thing is that the pricing includes a free massage from the Thai girl. A great night having sex three times, one massage and drinks for only 95€, sorry 100€.
Unfortunately, the club closes at 22H00 on Sundays. I said farewell to the ISG fellow member but could not imagine myself going back to sleep at 22H00 in FKKland. I decided to go for a last session in a Red Carpet Club. I could have gone to Heavensgate as I was at Hotel Humbert, but preferred to discover a new club. I checked on my list, Penelope was only at 30 km for Dorsten and closes at 3H00. Time enough for a last session.
Story to follow here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=562653&postcount=2
Routard,
what a fantastic report there, a real eye opener. I really have to try those two PTs next time.
Is alcohol included in both those clubs??
The service levels in those clubs really do make Dorsten seem overrated now.
This is excellent. http://www.partytreff-selm.de/ They have 2 clips from one of my favourite movies "From Dusk till Dawn" on their homepage.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116367/
"Smelly Pussy, Wet Pussy, HOt Pussy, Cold Pussy, Young Pussy, Old Pussy, .......:D"
I'm not sure anymore about the alcohol, as I don't drink myself, but I believe beers were available. Regarding the websites, The one from Selm gives an excellent idea about the available girls, several of them were indeed present that day. This is not true for the Munster one.
I was stuck in Mannheim, and because of a nice report here a few weeks back, I remembered there was a PT club that I could try near here:
http://www.fkk-girls-labyrinth.com/
Bergstr. 16 in Weinheim. Easy to find. Plenty of parking. On entry, pay the 130 euro fee, and get a towel, etc. This night there were maybe 8 girls, all cute enough and friendly enough to spend time with, and I saw 4 of them.
Katrina from Poland, petite. Long black hair and knee-high white boots, more seasoned than the others, but a great smile, friendly, spoke a few words of English, and after a while on the couch, we went to one of the rooms. Very sweet, very responsive to breast attention, light kissing, enthusiastic response to DATY, extended time, and wonderful BBBJ, followed by different positions and an energetic spurt at the end. A bit of cuddling, and off to the showers.
A simple "snack" buffet of various wursts and frankfurters, breads, coffee, fruit, etc.
Next came Sylvia from Hungary. We had chatted some while snacking, and she had a very captivating smile. Short brown hair, a cheerful girl. I was able to repeat my very oral routine with her, and she, too, enjoyed the tongue attention I gave her clit and labia, as evidenced by the heaves and grabbing of my head.
More rest, and then Jessica, also from Poland. Short black hair, great bod, great technique especially the BBBJ which she gave after I had treated her to her own O via oral, and then she climbed on and really gave me my first real strong orgasm in a long time with her in cowgirl (usually I get close but can't cum with the girl sitting on my legs, so I often end doggie/Canadian). No rush to leave after, made me feel great to have some time with her.
More duschen, more wurst, more rest, and then a "night cap" with Chantal from Wiesbaden. A few decorative piercings, wonderful to have someone speak English as well as she did, since my German is horrible. It was really "fun" sex, we giggled, tickled, and enjoyed the time. I know I did!
There will be some kind of special party on Thursday and again on Saturday. Maybe I'll head back for another set of rounds.
Have fun, and be safe out there.
Mark
There were indeed 9 girls with two of them present but not on duty. They are all young and average too, no stunners, just fuckable girls. The difference with PT Dorsten is that girls are dark haired and from different Mediterranean origin, mainly Turkish, Romanian or Bulgarian. There is usually also a Cuban girl available, but she was not present that day. There is only one German girl and she is also dark haired. Personally I like Mediterranean style girls, but those of you looking fro blonde girls might be disappointed.
Glad to know that someone finally made it to PT Selm!
Your paragraph above only confirms that the women at this club are skewed more Mediterranean than any other club.
If you have a preference for blondes, PT Dorsten has more of them because its almost 100% Polish.
I thought PT Muenster was only a so-so club and I will only return if I find myself in Muenster. There was a lot of sitting around and socializing and there is almost no public action except in the very dark Spielwiese downstairs.
We will be at PT Wagenfeld in a week or so. Yes, its true that is further away but I've never left it dissatisfied.
Aurait-on l'occasion de se rencontrer pendant mon voyage la semaine prochaine ou bien es-tu deja parti?
Aurait-on l'occasion de se rencontrer pendant mon voyage la semaine prochaine ou bien es-tu deja parti?
Haha, I'm already on a safe distance from my addiction, else I would not be sitting behind my screen writing on the forum!
I was in Mettman this Saturday and it was total disappointment. Of course, I have read the reports that Mettman women are not beauty queens but just serviceable, but I would even disagree on this - to me they are not even serviceable. They were all ugly, unhealthy looking worn out women in their 40+ years. I can only imagine what infections you can get if you take the plunge and service them.
Anyway, I didn't. I just accepted the loss of 120 euro and left. In the future I will stick with the FKK scene.
I was in Mettman this Saturday and it was total disappointment. Of course, I have read the reports that Mettman women are not beauty queens but just serviceable, but I would even disagree on this - to me they are not even serviceable. They were all ugly, unhealthy looking worn out women in their 40+ years. I can only imagine what infections you can get if you take the plunge and service them.
Anyway, I didn't. I just accepted the loss of 120 euro and left. In the future I will stick with the FKK scene.
So all of you have been warned.
It does have its fans though.
I go more for the loose interactions and the banter with the women. And yes, you can have sex too. They are all German and they have great attitudes.
I am taking a break from visiting though as I've met practically everyone in their lineup and I need some variety.
I was in Mettman this Saturday and it was total disappointment. Of course, I have read the reports that Mettman women are not beauty queens but just serviceable, but I would even disagree on this - to me they are not even serviceable. They were all ugly, unhealthy looking worn out women in their 40+ years. I can only imagine what infections you can get if you take the plunge and service them.
Anyway, I didn't. I just accepted the loss of 120 euro and left. In the future I will stick with the FKK scene.
But u did the proper thing, and u wrote a short report about your dissapointing time. I reckon many guys who have a bad time in clubs never bother writing. Ok the regular contributors here will write about the good and bad, but I think newbies often only post about good experiences.
True that the Mettman women are worn out old hags. I also think this club is suited to older guys, at least over 35..or least guys into older women anyway.
But u did the proper thing, and u wrote a short report about your dissapointing time. I reckon many guys who have a bad time in clubs never bother writing. Ok the regular contributors here will write about the good and bad, but I think newbies often only post about good experiences.
True that the Mettman women are worn out old hags. I also think this club is suited to older guys, at least over 35..or least guys into older women anyway.
Congratulations Tomrifle I agree with Wan King in that you came (or not), you saw, and you got the hell out of there being the right move. And you shared your thoughts and experience to assist us all. Well done and better luck next time.
As for you, Wan King, what is this ? " True that the Mettman women are worn out old hags. I also think this club is suited to older guys, at least over 35..or least guys into older women anyway"
"at least over 35" - you young pup, it will happen to you too. At least some Senior members have attained that status by virtue of both posts and their years !!!
Please remember that we all don't have to be consigned to our zimmer frames and sent off to the abatoir holding paddock in Mettman at the age of 35. We are trying to grow old disgracefully and comments like yours don't help. Thank you :-))
Kindly remember as well the story of the young bull and the old bull. If you don't know it, I'll tell you next time.
Excess
I am 37 years old, and I am not really sure what your point is.
I find it bizarre that you take some offence, just because I dont recommend this club to young guys in their 20s who are maybe starting their mongering careers. When I was there last year I was probably the youngest guy there at 36. The average age of men and women was about 45. I reckon only a very small % of young men in their 20s would enjoy Mettman.
My old man told me the story of the old bull and the young bull when I was about 12 :D
For anyone who doesn't know:
An old bull and and a young bull are standing the top of a field looking down at all the Cows
"Hey lets run down and fuck a cow!!" says the young bull.
"No lets walk down and fuck them all" replies the old bull.
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