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NopoProwler
05-15-16, 11:39
Hello all,
Just came back from a trip to S. Botan. I was intrigued since it's not mentioned very frequently.
Price is 1000 + 200 voluntary tip + 35 water + 25 tip to the waitress (suggested by the girl). The place is OK, not fancy. Better than SW anyway. The price includes bath + boom boom 1 time, 1 hour. There is no massage. The lineup is not as bad as I expected. I thought many of the girls in Botan were quite cute, though no hotties. Truth be told I checked Akane 2 days ago and I think the level is about the same. I didn't get any service in Akane and for almost the same price, I had FS in Botan.
I chose #39, Pei. I selected 2 girls and asked the papasan for a recommendation (I would never take a girl the papasan recommends form the start). She is short, tanned skin, 33 years old from Issan. Her English is surprisingly good and she's very talkative. Small tits and some cellulites around the waist. She has a kid.
Go to the room, order some water while she gets everything ready, then into the tub. She washed me and pointed me to the bed. I hopped on the bed and she came after me, quite proactive in getting me hard kissing me and with her dirty talking. A very few seconds of DFK, CBJ (too bad), DATY, reverse 69 then miss with her doing the eagle spread, which was a delight to see in the big side mirror. She was not aiming for a long session, I could tell, whilst not actually hurrying me. Whole sex took like 10 minutes, small talk, ciggy, shower and I was out the door in 45 minutes stat.
WIR? Yes, maybe try another girl. The price is a good motivation and honestly sometimes I don't really care for the massage. If I wanted massage and multiple shots, I'd go to Bongkot, Mango or Snow White.
Let me know what you think.
Nopo.
Ralph Kramden
05-15-16, 13:03
Is Nataree closed on weekends? (according to google map). Was about to head over.Very highly unlikely.
Avoid Mango massage for now. Looks like all of the photos are extremely complimentary and NOT true-to-life.
Prae's photos are absolutely NOT of her. I guess the Thais are learning about truth / reality from Macdonalds ads.
Do not visit the parlors based on pictures you see.
On my recent trip, I really enjoyed the line up at Nataree. Labelle / Lord was not bad, but a little pricey though.
Amethyst's lineup was OK but I wasn't feeling any chemistry from the girls. Met a hot little Isaan cutie from Love Teen massage who had the most amazing tits. Akane / Bongkot was a write off.
I did like the lineup at Can Cam and Angel Massage but did not partake. Will correct on my next trip.
My advice is to just stick your head in on all the parlors in Soi 24/26 and take a peek. Won't cost you a dime.
Next time I'll stay near Asok station. It's ideally placed between Cowboy, Nana and the naughty sois of 24 and 26. Quick metro to Huai Khwang as well.
The Terminal 21 food court on the 6th floor is outstanding too.
AssLover945
05-15-16, 15:53
Avoid Mango massage for now. Looks like all of the photos are extremely complimentary and NOT true-to-life.
Prae's photos are absolutely NOT of her. I guess the Thais are learning about truth / reality from Macdonalds ads.
Do not visit the parlors based on pictures you see.
On my recent trip, I really enjoyed the line up at Nataree. Labelle / Lord was not bad, but a little pricey though.
Amethyst's lineup was OK but I wasn't feeling any chemistry from the girls. Met a hot little Isaan cutie from Love Teen massage who had the most amazing tits. Akane / Bongkot was a write off.
I did like the lineup at Can Cam and Angel Massage but did not partake. Will correct on my next trip.
My advice is to just stick your head in on all the parlors in Soi 24/26 and take a peek. Won't cost you a dime.
Next time I'll stay near Asok station. It's ideally placed between Cowboy, Nana and the naughty sois of 24 and 26. Quick metro to Huai Khwang as well.
The Terminal 21 foodcourt on the 6th floor is outstanding too.I think all punters should take the website pics with a pinch of salt. Believing the massage website to give you ladies who look like models is a bit to simplistic to accept. Almost all massage websites do. Just this week I had the pleasure of partaking a new girl (again fresh off the farm) named Ploy, totally in experienced and shy. But I did have fun and what a tight body, big and supple Boobs (not saggy at all), no baby wrinkles etc.
Very highly unlikely.It was open. It's my 3rd trip to Thailand and I always go there. Did one in the 4. 5 K area section, kissing, BBBJ great experience as usual. Saw some bad reports about the place, have been very lucky so far, thought it was quite slow tonight, not as many girls as on my previous visits.
Stopped by Emmanuel later, saw maybe 10 girls, bit on older side. Nice decor though.
Hello all,
Just came back from a trip to S. Botan. I was intrigued since it's not mentioned very frequently.
Price is 1000 + 200 voluntary tip + 35 water + 25 tip to the waitress (suggested by the girl). The place is OK, not fancy. Better than SW anyway. The price includes bath + boom boom 1 time, 1 hour. There is no massage. The lineup is not as bad as I expected. I thought many of the girls in Botan were quite cute, though no hotties. Truth be told I checked Akane 2 days ago and I think the level is about the same. I didn't get any service in Akane and for almost the same price, I had FS in Botan.
I chose #39, Pei. I selected 2 girls and asked the papasan for a recommendation (I would never take a girl the papasan recommends form the start). She is short, tanned skin, 33 years old from Issan. Her English is surprisingly good and she's very talkative. Small tits and some cellulites around the waist. She has a kid.
Go to the room, order some water while she gets everything ready, then into the tub. She washed me and pointed me to the bed. I hopped on the bed and she came after me, quite proactive in getting me hard kissing me and with her dirty talking. A very few seconds of DFK, CBJ (too bad), DATY, reverse 69 then miss with her doing the eagle spread, which was a delight to see in the big side mirror. She was not aiming for a long session, I could tell, whilst not actually hurrying me. Whole sex took like 10 minutes, small talk, ciggy, shower and I was out the door in 45 minutes stat.
WIR? Yes, maybe try another girl. The price is a good motivation and honestly sometimes I don't really care for the massage. If I wanted massage and multiple shots, I'd go to Bongkot, Mango or Snow White.
Let me know what you think.
Nopo.Went to S Botan several times back in the day. Glad to hear that it is still up and running. 1 k is the right price for a wham bam session. Methinks I will revisit this week. Thanks for the report.
Avoid Mango massage for now. Looks like all of the photos are extremely complimentary and NOT true-to-life.
Prae's photos are absolutely NOT of her. I guess the Thais are learning about truth / reality from Macdonalds ads.
Do not visit the parlors based on pictures you see.
On my recent trip, I really enjoyed the line up at Nataree. Labelle / Lord was not bad, but a little pricey though.
Amethyst's lineup was OK but I wasn't feeling any chemistry from the girls. Met a hot little Isaan cutie from Love Teen massage who had the most amazing tits. Akane / Bongkot was a write off.
I did like the lineup at Can Cam and Angel Massage but did not partake. Will correct on my next trip.
My advice is to just stick your head in on all the parlors in Soi 24/26 and take a peek. Won't cost you a dime.
Next time I'll stay near Asok station. It's ideally placed between Cowboy, Nana and the naughty sois of 24 and 26. Quick metro to Huai Khwang as well.
The Terminal 21 foodcourt on the 6th floor is outstanding too.
I think all punters should take the website pics with a pinch of salt. Believing the massage website to give you ladies who look like models is a bit to simplistic to accept. Almost all massage websites do. Just this week I had the pleasure of partaking a new girl (again fresh off the farm) named Ploy, totally in experienced and shy. But I did have fun and what a tight body, big and supple Boobs (not saggy at all), no baby wrinkles etc.I've got to back wetnose up on this.
I've had some great experiences at Mango especially with Tik, Mud and Wan. Unfortunately they have all now left and I know that Mud and Wan are working elsewhere. I was over in Bangkok for Thanksgiving and I stuck my nose into Mango and the women in there were not good at all, I don't want to be too nasty about them so am going to leave it there. The women in Snow and Bongkot were much better looking.
I am over in Bangkok end of May so I may stick my head into Mango again and feed bacb.
Avoid Mango massage for now. Looks like all of the photos are extremely complimentary and NOT true-to-life.
Prae's photos are absolutely NOT of her. I guess the Thais are learning about truth / reality from Macdonalds ads.
Do not visit the parlors based on pictures you see.
On my recent trip, I really enjoyed the line up at Nataree. Labelle / Lord was not bad, but a little pricey though.
Amethyst's lineup was OK but I wasn't feeling any chemistry from the girls. Met a hot little Isaan cutie from Love Teen massage who had the most amazing tits. Akane / Bongkot was a write off.
I did like the lineup at Can Cam and Angel Massage but did not partake. Will correct on my next trip.
My advice is to just stick your head in on all the parlors in Soi 24/26 and take a peek. Won't cost you a dime.
Next time I'll stay near Asok station. It's ideally placed between Cowboy, Nana and the naughty sois of 24 and 26. Quick metro to Huai Khwang as well.
The Terminal 21 foodcourt on the 6th floor is outstanding too.I had a session with Prae about a month ago and the photos on the Mango website are hers, albeit like most perhaps a bit photoshopped. But unlike many photos on websites these days, her photos on the Mango website are not substantially prettier than she is in person. And although her service was rather mechanical, I do rate her one of the prettiest girls, including a great body, I have seen recently at a PSE shop.
Is it possible you misunderstood the name of one of the girls? When I call in to book a session at some of these places, they often misunderstand the name of the girl and I have to repeat it a number of times. In fact, I have been told on occasion that a particular girl no longer works at the shop, only to find out they misunderstood who I was asking for. I'm wondering whether some sort of similar misunderstanding could have happened in your case.
On the other hand, your general advice not to trust the photos on the various websites is good advice. They often are very inaccurate owing to photoshopping and to a lesser degree the makeup that is applied for the photoshoot, which often gives a different look in the photo than what one gets in person..
PerezPerez
05-16-16, 03:43
Before departing this time from Bangkok, had few hours in hand before leaving for the airport, headed towards Tulip, on the BTS suddenly something came to my mind "read about a fresh comer Candy name: Beauty" on forum, so suddenly got off at Phrom Phong stn, walked through the 24/1 street, most shops were just opening as it was just past 12 pm. To the right on entering was Candy, no one seemed to be in front of the ship, I entered and asked for Beauty and she was there, asked for her, and she came. I was not impressed but her figure and looks, not just my type or may be saw her without makeup. So I asked if she does A+ and mamasan said she doesn't and I left. On the way to Thonglor and Tulip. On entering the mamasan greeted me, It was a strange feeling as I was still looking for Ying, yet knowing she is not there any more. There were 6 to 7 ladies, I choose Golf, and up we went.
Golf is tall, slim and has a kind hour-glass kind of figure, with enhanced breast (not done well). Anyways, she is too professional. She has an extremely choreographed work-flow, which means from the start to the end every action is well organized and planned, even if you manage to change something is the middle or have a request will rearrange her work flow. Saying that, sometimes it felt that she is just doing her job but she is really good at it. Good play in the shower, Great BBBJ skills, hand skills, se x in different positions, anal play with a toy I took etc etc. After the first round, she gave me a good oil massage (I can compare it to any decent spa or massage places), strong and firm hands, right pressure. She made me feel the 2300 I spent was more than utilized. She didn't waste even a minute during this 2 hours, and she was full of energy. Perhaps I was the first customer, and Tulip most of the time lives up to the reputation in terms of PSE. I will highly recommend Golf if you prefer this type of figure and a damn professional PSE.
You can try out PP cafe for a similar experience from the recent s botan review.
On this subject, the s botan 2 place, is it in a court yard or something? I walked by there last year and saw no obvious entrance. The location mapped out in the Bangkok post entry when you google for s botan 2.
Avoid Mango massage for now. Looks like all of the photos are extremely complimentary and NOT true-to-life.
Prae's photos are absolutely NOT of her. I guess the Thais are learning about truth / reality from Macdonalds ads.
Do not visit the parlors based on pictures you see.
I thought the photos of Fern at Mango look very accurate. I have sessioned with her more than once, and like her look, even if she is a little older. However Mango definitely has girls that are not at all to my taste just like all the other shops. Can't say I know Prae at all, however she looks quite good in the group photos that are less likely to be Photo-shopped. She would probably be my 2nd choice after Fern.
I won't be avoiding Mango as such. All shops are only as good as the best girl or two present at the time. The rest of the line up matters little to me no matter how bad it can be.
I previously liked Can Cam, however last 2 or 3 visits did not find the right girl.
You go to a shop, you check out the real looks of girls, and you take the girl if you like her. Was really easy to assess some Mango girl looks as they sometimes sat outside in the bright sunshine (when weather was better).
At EZ they wanted me to choose from the pictures with no review of actual girl. LOL Probably the girls of interest were at a different shop, or need to come by motorcycle from somewhere else. That is just not going to work for me. I have to be able to review the look of the real thing. Most line ups have only one or two girls even worth looking at in detail, since my taste is on the fussy side.
You can try out PP cafe for a similar experience from the recent s botan review.
On this subject, the s botan 2 place, is it in a court yard or something? I walked by there last year and saw no obvious entrance. The location mapped out in the Bangkok post entry when you google for s botan 2.I have not heard of a 2nd Sao Botan place. The PP Cafe is the front entrance place, and S. Botan entrance is in the side small Soi. Like Goatscrot, it's quite a long time since I went there. Like Nopo P. Posted, the girls are cheap but reasonable looking considering the age. However no fresh young slim model types, I think. Maybe a very well preserved 30 year old still with good body is quite possible though. Definitely one of the "soapy" places that I have considered worthwhile for a look, if can be bothered to go to the location. It's only a short motorcycle ride from MBK shopping centre. I only call it a "soapy" because of the way girls sit for customers and the bath. Maybe it's only a semi-soapy.
Its in Rama 6 road Soi 13 close to expressway between Rama 1 (Ploenchit-Sukhumvit in other sections) and Petchaburi road. For those who don't know where:
https://goo.gl/maps/ajkR47HY5xj
In this pic from Rama 6 road, the yellow building with big red Thai writing sign perched high on the top:
https://goo.gl/maps/8NKgaZu8c7t
If anyone is interested in the funny name, S. Botan stands for Sao Botan. Sao สาว means 'young' ladies (or girls), and Botan โบตั๋น (obscure word) is the Peony Rose. I pay attention to these things in order to try to pronounce names correctly. Sometimes if pronunciation is way off, the taxi driver just won't understand.
Went to S Botan several times back in the day. Glad to hear that it is still up and running. 1 k is the right price for a wham bam session. Methinks I will revisit this week. Thanks for the report.Was there more than one girl price bracket, or is my memory playing tricks on me? I thought the less attractive girls were cheaper.
For a budget Soapy, S. Botan is definitely one of the best options, if not the very best option. Better than BIWA recently mentioned, but a good option for guys who thought Nancy was O.K. Bangkok Cosy was well priced (in price levels) but unfortunately closed down. Never had luck at Catherine. All good looking girls were always pre booked, leaving the dregs. Some places can be hard to get to due to traffic jams. I am often just too lazy to go the extra distance.
I will be interested to known if S. Botan has mainly natural girls these days or has succumbed to the nose and tit job trends, like most soapies.
For far afield Soapies, I quite liked IDA near Rama 3, a big Soapy and higher priced than S. Botan.
All are Thai oriented Soapies, so can't expect much English skills from girls.
I am still meaning to try Darling Soapy again. Line up was small but more than O.K. when had a quick look recently.
NopoProwler
05-16-16, 10:43
Was there more than one girl price bracket, or is my memory playing tricks on me? I thought the less attractive girls were cheaper.
For a budget Soapy, S. Botan is definitely one of the best options, if not the very best option. Better than BIWA recently mentioned, but a good option for guys who thought Nancy was O.K. Bangkok Cosy was well priced (in price levels) but unfortunately closed down. Never had luck at Catherine. All good looking girls were always pre booked, leaving the dregs. Some places can be hard to get to due to traffic jams. I am often just too lazy to go the extra distance.
I will be interested to known if S. Botan has mainly natural girls these days or has succumbed to the nose and tit job trends, like most soapies.
For far afield Soapies, I quite liked IDA near Rama 3, a big Soapy and higher priced than S. Botan.
All are Thai oriented Soapies, so can't expect much English skills from girls.
I am still meaning to try Darling Soapy again. Line up was small but more than O.K. when had a quick look recently.Hi Syzygies,
The women were sitting in 2 sections, with the younger ones to the right. Papasan told me same price for all. Not all of them speak English and some don't service foreigners, tho. That's the catch.
I did not see evident nose jobs or tit jobs. I went there around 3 pm and there were from 20 to 30 women so maybe that's not the complete lineup.
I think they call S. Botan 2 the Thai massage parlor on the second floor. I know there are freelancers there. I didn't check myself.
Nopo
Hi Syzygies,
The women were sitting in 2 sections, with the younger ones to the right. Papasan told me same price for all. Not all of them speak English and some don't service foreigners, tho. That's the catch.
I did not see evident nose jobs or tit jobs. I went there around 3 pm and there were from 20 to 30 women so maybe that's not the complete lineup.
I think they call S. Botan 2 the Thai massage parlor on the second floor. I know there are freelancers there. I didn't check myself.
Nopo S.Botan is a Thai massage Parlour.
I thought Sao Botan was upstairs (but long ago so memory faint) anyway (side soi entrance), and PP Cafe is on the ground floor (front entrance). So Sao Botan FL. 2 LOL I could be wrong, however memory suggests I went upstairs. Alzheimer's might be setting in?
No English doesn't worry me at all. I prefer it.
NopoProwler
05-17-16, 07:02
S.Botan is a Thai massage Parlour.
I thought Sao Botan was upstairs (but long ago so memory faint) anyway (side soi entrance), and PP Cafe is on the ground floor (front entrance). So Sao Botan FL. 2 LOL I could be wrong, however memory suggests I went upstairs. Alzheimer's might be setting in?
No English doesn't worry me at all. I prefer it.I think the information online is somewhat misleading.
The S. Botan building has 3 doors: the PP Cafe on the corner, then on the Soi, the middle door leading to the stairs to the second floor where you find the "traditional" Thai massage (with freelancers) and the farthest door leading into the fishbowl.
No English is not a problem per SE. To me the problem is that many girls (3 out of 5 I pointed out to the papasan) don't service foreigners.
I am tempted to go again soon, try the younger ones on the right side of the fishbowl. I'll keep you posted.
Nopo
I had a session with Prae about a month ago and the photos on the Mango website are hers, albeit like most perhaps a bit photoshopped. But unlike many photos on websites these days, her photos on the Mango website are not substantially prettier than she is in person. And although her service was rather mechanical, I do rate her one of the prettiest girls, including a great body, I have seen recently at a PSE shop.
Is it possible you misunderstood the name of one of the girls? When I call in to book a session at some of these places, they often misunderstand the name of the girl and I have to repeat it a number of times. In fact, I have been told on occasion that a particular girl no longer works at the shop, only to find out they misunderstood who I was asking for. I'm wondering whether some sort of similar misunderstanding could have happened in your case.
On the other hand, your general advice not to trust the photos on the various websites is good advice. They often are very inaccurate owing to photoshopping and to a lesser degree the makeup that is applied for the photoshoot, which often gives a different look in the photo than what one gets in person..Mango just updated their website with new photos. Could anyone ID the lineup?
Hi All,
I'm arriving into Suvarnabhumi at the end of May. We'll be landing on Sunday May 29th about lunchtime and will probably have bags collected and ready to roll at about 1400.
My buddy wants to jump in a taxi and head straight for Pattaya getting in there for about 1600. I am thinking of dumping my bags in left luggage (I think its 100 B) and heading in on the train to BKK to Huay Kwang for Nataree or Asoke and either going to see Wan at Bamboo (despite the damn A+ surcharge) or maybe heading up to Bongkot to do a repeat with Cash (search on my handle and you can find my reviews on both) or maybe popping into SW Soi 26.
A few questions if you don't mind guys -.
1. Is Cash working as in WORKING or is she doing the mamasan bit for now?
2. Whats my timing like for Nataree or the Suk oilies? I would have thought that 1500 (ish) Sunday afternoon would be a good time.
3. What would you do? Is it worth the effort and time heading into BKK. Should I just head straight for Patts and hit Soi Honey / Soi 6 as soon as I get there?
Thanks,So I had a look on the Bongkot website and Cash's picture has gone. Looks like that is the decision made for me. Straight to Pattaya. .
NopoProwler
05-18-16, 10:36
Had another stint at S. Botan.
As per usual, selected 2 or 3 girls and asked papas an for recommendation among my picks.
#10.
30 year old from Issan. Light tanned slim body with small but perky tits. She actually looked Lile this Chinese chick I wanted to bang when I lived in Beijing. Sadly, same personality: seems to her it hurts to smile. Session was very professional and my fantasy helped blow my wad fast. Done in 25 minutes. Not very happy. Nice body, bad attitude.
#89.
On the way up with #10 this petite lady and her customer got into the elevator with us. She said Hi to me and smiled so I waited for her to finish and took her up. Didn't even give her the chance to return to the fishbowl. She was a lot of fun, talkative and easy laugh. DFK, GFE. Being the second time and my age, we finished the round with a hand job. No way I could have done it.
This experience made me like S. Botan a little more: if #10 had been 2000 baht I would have been pissed, but it wasn't. And I got to try another girl and spent as much as I would have in some other MP.
Later,
Nopo
LoveHole69
05-18-16, 14:50
Just read your post a few pages back and your dead on goatscrot, back years ago I actually liked the service and looks of the Chinese hookers in Malaysian brothels when I spent a few months there, but Bangkok was better overall due to price and availability and keeping myself in good shape and with a Sicilian sized schlong I always found Thai girls eager to try and provide a good service.
Although I would say their level of skills wasn't usually that good but now like you I find Bangkok becoming rather uninspiring and the looks in the pse establishments is poor so you are right service should be expected.
I remember when I discovered tulip after reading reviews online there was plenty of reasonably nice looking girls before and service was really good it was years ago so I can't remember names off hand but one was a lady who had a sponsor providing her a condo room down Soi poomchit near the 7-11.
And eihtooms I do think a BB forum would be a good idea, and yes I have read reports on here from people then found when trying the lady I wasn't impressed, which is why I said most ladies will provide bb at times and with a lot it will depend on the customer. One of the few ladies I tried before due to reviews was dao of tulip and her service was as described but seemed rather fake to me and then she said she was a bit tired from all the customers although that could be the case, I just think it just shows a lot of customers are not very perceptive and since Dao is not even keen on westerners to much and has the usual thai meng the that is most likely the case. So I agree with your points but I still think if you give reports and don't mention places or names it defeats the point of the forum and makes the information you give totally useless to others and it also spoils what could be an informative post.
By the way I also don't find skills very often make up for being covered with a rubber balloon on my cock which takes away the excitement level.
Most of the massage parlor girls I barebacked iv caught nothing from but would rarely do that now, because when I often did that with bargirls I had to many cases of bad STD and would imagine if PSE girls regularly barebacked this would be an even bigger problem.
VeryInterest
05-20-16, 00:51
Anyone know if Eden is still open? Have less than 24 hours in BKK, and it's usually my go to place.
Just read your post a few pages back and your dead on goatscrot, back years ago I actually liked the service and looks of the Chinese hookers in Malaysian brothels when I spent a few months there, but Bangkok was better overall due to price and availability and keeping myself in good shape and with a Sicilian sized schlong I always found Thai girls eager to try and provide a good service.
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.... but seemed rather fake to me and then she said she was a bit tired from all the customers although that could be the case, I just think it just shows a lot of customers are not very perceptive and since Dao is not even keen on westerners to much and has the usual thai meng the that is most likely the case. Are you saying a Sicilian Shlong is well liked, because it is small? Big, certainly does not make Thai girls more eager, in general. Some of them stiffen up the legs, scared of being pierced. Some girls are always heading to the safer Asian customers. Service levels are not at all assisted by cock size. Quite the opposite.
What is a "Thai Meng"?
Had another stint at S. Botan.
As per usual, selected 2 or 3 girls and asked papas an for recommendation among my picks.
#10.
30 year old from Issan. Light tanned slim body with small but perky tits. She actually looked Lile this Chinese chick I wanted to bang when I lived in Beijing. Sadly, same personality: seems to her it hurts to smile. Session was very professional and my fantasy helped blow my wad fast. Done in 25 minutes. Not very happy. Nice body, bad attitude.
#89.
On the way up with #10 this petite lady and her customer got into the elevator with us. She said Hi to me and smiled so I waited for her to finish and took her up. Didn't even give her the chance to return to the fishbowl. She was a lot of fun, talkative and easy laugh. DFK, GFE. Being the second time and my age, we finished the round with a hand job. No way I could have done it.
This experience made me like S. Botan a little more: if #10 had been 2000 baht I would have been pissed, but it wasn't. And I got to try another girl and spent as much as I would have in some other MP.
Later,
NopoVery realistic report. Its hard to select the right girl. Fun and performance levels are hit and miss. Roll the Dice. Perhaps the first girl was really too grumpy to be selected? I like to watch girls for a fair time before selecting. I don't mind if they pay no attention to me (shyness), but if they really look like they don't want to be there, best not to choose them. I too, have made many mistakes choosing a pretty girl who is not in the mood to really have fun. I also avoid girls over acting to show wild enthusiasm which is fake. Playful is good.
It is good when price is low enough, that wrong girl selection doesn't cost a fortune. If I get a bad girl, I prefer to leave with no cum, so that I can go with a better girl fairly promptly afterwards.
You should make small talk and tip papasan at Nataree and he will explain to you if a girl can only do certain things or if service is good. I've always gotten BBBJ with hottest youngest girls there. The last one just kept on deep kissing me the whole time.
My fav place in BKK.
You should make small talk and tip papasan at Nataree and he will explain to you if a girl can only do certain things or if service is good. I've always gotten BBBJ with hottest youngest girls there. The last one just kept on deep kissing me the whole time.
My fav place in BKK.Do you have a particular Papasan that you can trust to give honest advice? Name? In past I have found some are very bad and some are very good at various Soapy Venues. I never have any CBJs, but then again have not been to Nataree recently, after rarely meeting a girl worth repeating there in the past. Maybe just bad luck with very inexperienced and dick scared girls. Probably need the advice on which girls to try, and certainly need to know if they have sillies or not.
You should make small talk and tip papasan at Nataree and he will explain to you if a girl can only do certain things or if service is good. I've always gotten BBBJ with hottest youngest girls there. The last one just kept on deep kissing me the whole time.
My fav place in BKK.It never occurred to me to tip the papasan. But now that I think about it, this makes sense.
The papasan (or mamasan) is basically a salesman for the ladies and for the establishment. He is probably told to get every lady working, especially those who haven't had guys for a while. Which means that his recommendation isn't necessarily in your interest.
But if you give the guy some money as a tip, then he can hope for another tip from you next time. Which means that he will recommend you a lady, who is better than most, so that you will come back.
Ralph Kramden
05-20-16, 14:38
It never occurred to me to tip the papasan. But now that I think about it, this makes sense.
The papasan (or mamasan) is basically a salesman for the ladies and for the establishment. He is probably told to get every lady working, especially those who haven't had guys for a while. Which means that his recommendation isn't necessarily in your interest.
But if you give the guy some money as a tip, then he can hope for another tip from you next time. Which means that he will recommend you a lady, who is better than most, so that you will come back.I found being friendly to the papasan and tipping him a little with the promise of more if the girl performs well worked well. Be sure and say that to him in front of the girl so she will understand what you are doing.
I found being friendly to the papasan and tipping him a little with the promise of more if the girl performs well worked well. Be sure and say that to him in front of the girl so she will understand what you are doing.I suppose, you can really enhance the lady's reputation by giving the papasan a good tip after her session with you and telling him that she was really good with you.
Putting your money where your mouth is makes you a lot more believable. And in this case, it's the papasan who is believing you.
The lady might not care much about one customer. But she needs the papasan to think highly of her, so that he will recommend her to guys. She depends on him for many customers and not just one.
ScaredOfLuv
05-21-16, 00:16
I found being friendly to the papasan and tipping him a little with the promise of more if the girl performs well worked well. Be sure and say that to him in front of the girl so she will understand what you are doing.Thanks for the information will be in Bangkok today maybe I'll see some of the board members around town.
Fast Eddie 48
05-21-16, 01:47
Do you have a particular Papasan that you can trust to give honest advice? Name? In past I have found some are very bad and some are very good at various Soapy Venues. I never have any CBJs, but then again have not been to Nataree recently, after rarely meeting a girl worth repeating there in the past. Maybe just bad luck with very inexperienced and dick scared girls. Probably need the advice on which girls to try, and certainly need to know if they have sillies or not.To Syzygies.
I will never take a advice from a papasan in Nataree anyway they always try to push me the girl I don't want when I ask him service the girl can offer they just tell me to ask the girl they are so useless.
Fast Eddie 48.
It never occurred to me to tip the papasan. But now that I think about it, this makes sense.
The papasan (or mamasan) is basically a salesman for the ladies and for the establishment. He is probably told to get every lady working, especially those who haven't had guys for a while. Which means that his recommendation isn't necessarily in your interest.
But if you give the guy some money as a tip, then he can hope for another tip from you next time. Which means that he will recommend you a lady, who is better than most, so that you will come back.Dan,
For regular customers, it is essential to tip the papasan for giving really great advice. This can be a major way for them to make money. If you don't tip, he may rely on kickbacks paid by girls to recommend them, even if they are lousy.
If you know the papasan well, can tip before the session for good help. However if unsure it is better to give him good tip on the way out, only if the advice was good. You can't afford to give a tip for bullshit advice.
My problem with many papasans, is that the girls they are recommending are not to my spec usually, so I am not going to choose them. I need to find a papasan / mamasan that understands my taste, or can just comment on the service levels of girls that have the right look that I am pointing out.
Dan,
For regular customers, it is essential to tip the papasan for giving really great advice. This can be a major way for them to make money. If you don't tip, he may rely on kickbacks paid by girls to recommend them, even if they are lousy.
If you know the papasan well, can tip before the session for good help. However if unsure it is better to give him good tip on the way out, only if the advice was good. You can't afford to give a tip for bullshit advice.
My problem with many papasans, is that the girls they are recommending are not to my spec usually, so I am not going to choose them. I need to find a papasan / mamasan that understands my taste, or can just comment on the service levels of girls that have the right look that I am pointing out.The problem with listening to the papasan is that he doesn't know the ladies directly. He probably has never seen these ladies in the nude. And he probably never had sex with them either. The ladies tell him what they are willing to do. But he doesn't know directly how good they are at it. He only knows if the lady gets a lot of repeat customers, or if she gets complaints once in a while. At best, his recommendation is an educated guess, which might or might not be right.
The papasan knows which ladies are most popular. He can tell you who these ladies are and when is the best time to catch them. He can help you meet their most popular ladies, who aren't there when you come, either because they work part-time or because they are busy with some other guy. And this is something to tip him for.
And of course, instead of trying to find out which ladies are better in bed, you can try using the papasan to motivate the lady, so that she will be good in bed with you. The lady cares about her reputation with the papasan, because he can recommend her to many guys. And if you provide strong feedback to the papasan about the lady's performance by giving him a tip or not, then this motivates the lady to do her best with you, provided that she knows about your tip for the papasan.
The problem with listening to the papasan is that he doesn't know the ladies directly. He probably has never seen these ladies in the nude. And he probably never had sex with them either. The ladies tell him what they are willing to do. But he doesn't know directly how good they are at it. He only knows if the lady gets a lot of repeat customers, or if she gets complaints once in a while. At best, his recommendation is an educated guess, which might or might not be right.
The papasan knows which ladies are most popular. He can tell you who these ladies are and when is the best time to catch them. He can help you meet their most popular ladies, who aren't there when you come, either because they work part-time or because they are busy with some other guy. And this is something to tip him for.
And of course, instead of trying to find out which ladies are better in bed, you can try using the papasan to motivate the lady, so that she will be good in bed with you. The lady cares about her reputation with the papasan, because he can recommend her to many guys. And if you provide strong feedback to the papasan about the lady's performance by giving him a tip or not, then this motivates the lady to do her best with you, provided that she knows about your tip for the papasan.I don't agree with the last part about papasan trying to motivate a girl to be good. It's largely up to her attitude and the chemistry.
The papas an will soon know after a girl has had several bookings if customers are generally very happy, or generally in a foul mood, and sometimes will receive very specifics comments that are directly to her strengths or weaknesses. So he can have a fair idea. He can also know if she has a baby or silicone tits, or saggy body, or nose job, etc.
He may or may not have seen girls nude. Girls maybe required to strip for inspection when hired at various places, perhaps more so inspected by female staff, I am not sure here. They may have even been sex tested in some cases. Some places will let girls go if they are both ugly and get a lot of customer complaints.
Any girl that is able to have regular customers will normally be retained I guess, unless a real trouble maker. Nataree has had lots of girls I would rate as lousy on the bed even though they looked pretty good. Just far to timid, too scared, and completely clueless was my assessment. I even met girls where I was their first Farang ever. Straight off the farm with no experience, some of them except perhaps loosing virginity for some higher fee. Even at Amsterdam I have met some girls that seemed fabulous, hot bodies, fun and talkative, everything great up till came time to fuck, and they seized up completely. Possibly this girl is just fine for Korean customers. Even papasans can know that some girls are only good for certain categories of customer. Easy to please quick fucks, or demanding guys wanting PSE.
We are much better with girls who much prefer Farang customers. I have had some Thai girls that have never ever had a Thai BF, and perhaps never ever fucked a Thai. One of my favourites (before she retired) said she got her first Farang boyfriends while still at school around age 15 or 16. Anyway I think papasans can have a clue if girl really likes Farangs.
All of my regular girls, clearly like older Farangs. We are more generous, among other things, on average, and less self selfish, according to the girls. LOL
Ralph Kramden
05-21-16, 13:29
I suppose, you can really enhance the lady's reputation by giving the papasan a good tip after her session with you and telling him that she was really good with you.
Putting your money where your mouth is makes you a lot more believable. And in this case, it's the papasan who is believing you.
The lady might not care much about one customer. But she needs the papasan to think highly of her, so that he will recommend her to guys. She depends on him for many customers and not just one.I am not suggesting one short change the papasan on the first tip because that will back fire. Give him 100 up front which will give him face in front of the girl, with the promise of a 100 bonus if she performs. Have him convey that message to her and she will well understand she is in line for a tip if she performs well.
Eric Swiss
05-21-16, 15:19
I had a four-stage massage parlor exploration plan: 1) Analisa, 2) Mitu, 3) Lord's, 4) Nataree. If the first three line-ups failed to titillate, I was sure to find a guaranteed backstop at Nataree.
First stop Analisa had two ugly / old girls, so I bailed out.
Made my way to Soi 33. I'm starting to like this zone. Apart from Mitu, it's got Amethyst and Akane Fashion Massage. I also noticed some sexy chicks at Dream Haven Massage. So this could be a good alternative to the Addict / Soi 24 zone.
Anyway, at Mitu a Gold girl was available, so obviously I took her. Her name was Chris. 1 m58 from Chiang Mai. Nice natural tits. Pretty perky and bouncy all around. Fun attitude. I took 90 minutes Nuru VIP room. What could possibly go wrong? Nothing. The damage was 3800 Baht including a can of Asahi. Not cheap, but that's the price to pay if you want to be big in Japan. Still cheaper than the whole go-go bar experience.
Just the way you walk up the stairs with her, you just feel deep inside of you that everything will be all right. And so it was. She undressed me from head to toes. I like to be pampered. Nice bath. Nice lubricated slidey on the inflatable mattress. Then dry up and go to bed for the real fuck.
At some point I abandoned my passivity and took charge of the proceedings. She was waiting for that and an eager and willing participant. After banging her energetically in all sorts of positions for as long as I wanted, I achieved a satisfying ejaculation, followed by massage and more cleansing in the bath. A time out of time. I tipped her for the two ass-rimmings she gave me. Walking up the BTS staircase was a challenge on my calf muscles after that.
Would I recommend? Only if gold. Also, if you're not Japanese, you've got to be white, and you've got to behave almost like a Japanese. But apart from that it's heaven. Would I repeat? Only if I was sure to get a Platinum girl.
AssLover945
05-21-16, 19:30
After a log time I had a fantastic rimming from a provider at mango massage.
Her name is CAT and she was just awesome at licking.
Her pic is there the mango website guys.
Would recommend her for Bolowjob lover and especially those who like rimming.
After a log time I had a fantastic rimming from a provider at mango massage.
Her name is CAT and she was just awesome at licking.
Her pic is there the mango website guys.
Would recommend her for Blowjob lover and especially those who like rimming.I checked, since my old favorite was Cat at Mango. However this is a new Cat, no where near as pretty as the former Cat. I would be more inclined to try Ploy who looks rather cute, like the former Cat, except for her nose being too broad, if Fern is not there. Fern is a slightly older girl I guess, but good enough for me, even if still behind my old favorite Cat.
I am the oddball. I choose looks over specific services. I don't care if I get ass rimmed or not.
Anyway, at Mitu a Gold girl was available, so obviously I took her. Her name was Chris. 1 m58 from Chiang Mai. Chris is a very strange name for a Thai girl. Is she from a Christian family? LOL. There is no "S" sound on the end of Thai words. Can she say "Chris" clearly?
More to the point, why is it obvious that you took her? I mean was she at least good looking, or you don't care about appearance if she is Gold? Later you mention Platinum, just to be confusing. So you only take gold or only Platinum or both? What is it that Gold supposedly guarantees? If there was a pretty girl, not Gold, what would that mean? Just trying to understand it all.
The Terminal 21 foodcourt on the 6th floor is outstanding too.Wow. How can you say that? It's just a canteen with really low quality food. They can't even cook rice right, far too mushy.
I went to Cherry Massage for the first time tonight in search of some anal action with BB or Yaya, who are sisters I was told. BB was busy and Yaya was quite unpleasant to me in the reception for no reason at all. I can understand why those two don't get reviewed much. Yaya is quite pretty but she came across as having a really foul personality and I imagine her sister is the same. It's a shame as the face and body were definitely good enough for some nice backdoor action, but I'm crossing Cherry off of my list.
I haven't found a good A+ girl since Cream left Mango ages ago and now I'm in serious need of one. Any recommendations? Just needs to have a nice body (no birth scars) and be quite young.
AssLover945
05-22-16, 16:38
I checked, since my old favorite was Cat at Mango. However this is a new Cat, no where near as pretty as the former Cat. I would be more inclined to try Ploy who looks rather cute, like the former Cat, except for her nose being too broad, if Fern is not there. Fern is a slightly older girl I guess, but good enough for me, even if still behind my old favorite Cat.
I am the oddball. I choose looks over specific services. I don't care if I get ass rimmed or not.Girls come and go, and names keep getting recycled. Yes the older CAT was prettier. No one stopped you from choosing a pretty face over a great service provider, whatever rocks your boat, please continue.
But here the subject was not CAT. It was about providing info to punters who may be on the look out for a good rimming provider.
And in that aspect this new CAT @ Mango massage is a champion rimming provider IMHO.
LoveHole69
05-22-16, 19:38
Syzgies,
Of course some Sicilians might be small but most are at least up to Italian stallion level which is why black women don't include them in their black is bigger stereotypes against wasps.
I found your comment funny about bigger doesn't give you better service, yes you are right about the ladies who don't like big ones might screw their legs up etc but often this will pass if they get horny and stretched out, and if they don't well then often they are the boring service type of ladies that I wouldn't bother paying for.
Its like saying good looks and whatever else don't get people better service obviously they do apart from the minority of ladies who don't like that. What you have got to consider is these ladies in PSE shops have not chosen to work in Asian only type establishments and they are getting pounded a lot, even more so if they have had babies they are not really going to find a big cock to big. I have very rarely had a girl tell me they don't like a big one, and in fact it often seems to be the tiny girls who are really into a long one more than big girls its also how short girls always seem to be more into tall guys and they always seem to manage to fit it right in to the hilt.
The Thai meng I meant to say meng the, it was about Dao of Tulip whose service was excellent just like reviews but I preferred other ladies there due to the fact I could feel the service was acted out and since she has a meng the I was mentioning the fact this wasn't just a personal lack of chemistry and would of applied to most mongers, I do remember tho she is about the only lady in a PSE shop who I remember actually swallowed me all or almost the whole way down her throat.
LoveHole69
05-22-16, 19:43
Asslover945,
She sounds like a good bet next time I'm in Bangkok, but how was her blowjob and everything else?
I find it difficult to find a lady who will give me a really wet deep throat that with a good rimming would really be a star performer.
At this rate I'm thinking I might need to visit Brazil or somewhere where the women mostly seem to have much higher skill levels.
I went to Cherry Massage for the first time tonight in search of some anal action with BB or Yaya, who are sisters I was told. BB was busy and Yaya was quite unpleasant to me in the reception for no reason at all. I can understand why those two don't get reviewed much. Yaya is quite pretty but she came across as having a really foul personality and I imagine her sister is the same. It's a shame as the face and body were definitely good enough for some nice backdoor action, but I'm crossing Cherry off of my list.
I haven't found a good A+ girl since Cream left Mango ages ago and now I'm in serious need of one. Any recommendations? Just needs to have a nice body (no birth scars) and be quite young.I've never mentioned anything like this on this board before but the time I just have to -.
Yaya. Got to be an LB surely. Really masculine face.
I've never mentioned anything like this on this board before but the time I just have to -.
Yaya. Got to be an LB surely. Really masculine face.I liked her a lot, and no she isn't haha. Smoking hot body and up for anything, very eager to please.
Much better looking than her photos on the website.
To each their own I guess.
I've never mentioned anything like this on this board before but the time I just have to -.
Yaya. Got to be an LB surely. Really masculine face.What a lot of BS. Don't make comments when you don't know what you are talking about.
http://rockitreports.com/review-yaya-ploy-bangkok-thailand/
What a lot of BS. Don't make comments when you don't know what you are talking about.
http://rockitreports.com/review-yaya-ploy-bangkok-thailand/I couldn't go with her. Definitely looks like a guy to me. She may well not be one but in my eye she looks that way.
I'll comment on what I choose.
To Syzygies.
I will never take a advice from a papasan in Nataree anyway they always try to push me the girl I don't want when I ask him service the girl can offer they just tell me to ask the girl they are so useless.
Fast Eddie 48.The problem I simply you have to pay in advance, so you have no power.
I liked her a lot, and no she isn't haha. Smoking hot body and up for anything, very eager to please.
Much better looking than her photos on the website.
To each their own I guess.I agree that she's better looking in real life than in her photos, more feminine. She definitely wasn't up for anal when I was there and clearly wasn't eager to do anything with me at all, which is odd as I've never had that attitude in any oily before.
Does Snow White have anyone like her - A+, young and a nice body?
The Thai meng I meant to say meng the, it was about Dao of Tulip whose service was excellent just like reviews but I preferred other ladies there due to the fact I could feel the service was acted out and since she has a meng the I was mentioning the fact this wasn't just a personal lack of chemistry and would of applied to most mongers, I do remember tho she is about the only lady in a PSE shop who I remember actually swallowed me all or almost the whole way down her throat.Maybe the forum spell checker is mashing your words. I still have no clue what "meng the" is supposed to be. It does not seem to be English nor Thai that I can detect. Sometimes a letter "D" is changed to "the". Don't know if that is relevant here.
Perhaps I am not the most intuitive person.
I have tried Dao in the past. Won't be going again. Just too much surgeries, and body rather past it for me. She isn't young any more, not a problem on its own. I don't enjoy silicones usually. I can make exceptions if the girl is otherwise very pretty and very sexy, and somehow rather special. It may well be over a year since I took a girl with silicones. I do know a young girl 18 or 19 with amazing high natural-Cs, so I don't need silicones when I feel like some big tits.
I know where to find a girl with 800gm sillies on each side. Massive but ugly. No thanks.
I also know a girl who had her sillies taken out. She is only B cup now, but I like her heaps despite her tits not being perfect. They improved in my view with Silicone removal, even though smaller. The severe sag was fixed.
To Syzygies.
I will never take a advice from a papasan in Nataree anyway they always try to push me the girl I don't want when I ask him service the girl can offer they just tell me to ask the girl they are so useless.
Fast Eddie 48.Yes that is what worries me. Bullshit papasans. That is why I ask for name of a specific guy that is more honest there, if they exist. I am never pushed as such. My spec is very individual. I don't want him to recommend. More-so answer questions about girls that I like. I do like to receive factual advice about untried girls only at Soapies where I trust the cheer-person though.
I went to Cherry Massage for the first time tonight in search of some anal action with BB or Yaya, who are sisters I was told. BB was busy and Yaya was quite unpleasant to me in the reception for no reason at all. I can understand why those two don't get reviewed much. Yaya is quite pretty but she came across as having a really foul personality and I imagine her sister is the same. It's a shame as the face and body were definitely good enough for some nice backdoor action, but I'm crossing Cherry off of my list.
I haven't found a good A+ girl since Cream left Mango ages ago and now I'm in serious need of one. Any recommendations? Just needs to have a nice body (no birth scars) and be quite young.You may try Nung at the Ohtemachi shop, just before the B&B shop I think. She offers anal, told me she was 19 and I think that her body is really nice. If you're a boob lover be aware that this girl has absolutely zero boobs (imagine a 19 years girl's boobs) , but I found it rather cute. She's got a good massage (with her butt) and good blow job as well. She previously was working in Boss massage and her name was JJ. She's got a very lovely personality, I had 2 sessions with her that I enjoyed a lot 1 month ago. The only negative point is the prices in that shop are high (2700 for 1 h30). Treat her well as she is a very nice girl.
Crocodilexp
05-23-16, 18:08
Since we're on the topic of Cherry massage, I should recommend Bowi (ex Snow White).
Pleasant face (albeit a fake nose), average body, but very pleasant attitude, hard working and eager to please. She literally moved the bed to the other side of the (admittedly small) room, by thrusting on top of me. Consistently good in more than one session, not a one-off either.
I was looking for a new PSE massage favorite after Ying from Tulip retired, and I think I found one.
....
Anyway, at Mitu a Gold girl was available, so obviously I took her. Her name was Chris. 1 m58 from Chiang Mai. Nice natural tits. Pretty perky and bouncy all around. Fun attitude. I took 90 minutes Nuru VIP room....
Just the way you walk up the stairs with her, you just feel deep inside of you that everything will be all right. And so it was. She undressed me from head to toes. I like to be pampered. Nice bath. Nice lubricated slidey on the inflatable mattress. Then dry up and go to bed for the real fuck.
At some point I abandoned my passivity and took charge of the proceedings. She was waiting for that and an eager and willing participant. After banging her energetically in all sorts of positions for as long as I wanted, I achieved a satisfying ejaculation, followed by massage and more cleansing in the bath. A time out of time. I tipped her for the two ass-rimmings she gave me. Walking up the BTS staircase was a challenge on my calf muscles after that.
Would I recommend? Only if gold. Also, if you're not Japanese, you've got to be white, and you've got to behave almost like a Japanese. But apart from that it's heaven. Would I repeat? Only if I was sure to get a Platinum girl.I found some sexy pictures of lady Chris at Mitu Massage, and I can see why you felt so good about walking up the stairs with her.
http://mitubangkok.com/nohand/cast.php
http://mitubangkok.com/nohand/cast/chris.php
Nice ass. Very nice indeed. And she wears a mini-skirt too. Following this sexy lady upstairs is like an accident waiting to happen. You don't pay attention where you are going. It doesn't take much for you to trip and fall, with your face right in the ass of this sexy lass.
I suppose this is why you need to be a Japanese guy. No touching and no groping, until she closes the door behind her. You need to have some patience. Or else you will embarrass the lady.
Member #4698
05-23-16, 18:55
I have not been to Mitu No Hands (2F) yet. I never got around to them on my last trip. I think the place used to be the Mitu ladyboy massage parlor in an earlier failed business attempt by the same company. In any case I couldn't help but notice that they are the most expensive massage shop in the Soi 33/Soi 24 neighborhood.
70 minutes 3000bt/90 minutes 3300bt.
Gold girls 500bt extra
Platinum girls 1000bt extra
VIP room 1000bt extra.
So let's say you are like me and want quality (a good looking, happy, young girl, a pretty nice room, and 90 minutes): then I assume we are talking about 5300bt for 90 minutes with a Platinim girl in the VIP room. Wow! That is the Lord pricing and very steep for a Sukumvit massage parlor. Keep in mind that the Lord is a very elegant (I kid you not) high class Soapy with a very gracious, well trained staff. I had several very memorable sessions with note worthy girls at the Lord in March & April.
Of course, I would have to see the Mitu No Hand girls first hand and then if they looked good, try one or two out to determine if this set up is even close to acceptable. By quick comparison, a 90 minute session with a cute, young, attractive girl in a room with a tub over at Addicts will run 2600bt or half the money.
It will be interesting to see if Mitu now has a successful business plan or this will be another failed business venture.
I have one question about the Mitu No hand girls: can the customer see a line up of available girls before choosing or is it by photos only?
I agree that she's better looking in real life than in her photos, more feminine. She definitely wasn't up for anal when I was there and clearly wasn't eager to do anything with me at all, which is odd as I've never had that attitude in any oily before.
Does Snow White have anyone like her - A+, young and a nice body?Strange one WM. I suppose it was better you got that before you picked her rather than in the room.
I ordered her up to my hotel and she was sweetness personified. Until she pleaded with me to bang her hard in the ass of course. Pure energy that only a young 20's girl has. Fucking on top for a long time and no complaints.
Seriously, yaya was my favorite fuck on my recent trip to BKK and I will repeat when I return if she is still working.
IllusionHeart
05-24-16, 04:31
I have not been to Mitu No Hands (2F) yet. I never got around to them on my last trip. I think the place used to be the Mitu ladyboy massage parlor in an earlier failed business attempt by the same company. In any case I couldn't help but notice that they are the most expensive massage shop in the Soi 33/Soi 24 neighborhood.
70 minutes 3000bt/90 minutes 3300bt.
Gold girls 500bt extra
Platinum girls 1000bt extra
VIP room 1000bt extra.
So let's say you are like me and want quality (a good looking, happy, young girl, a pretty nice room, and 90 minutes): then I assume we are talking about 5300bt for 90 minutes with a Platinim girl in the VIP room. Wow! That is the Lord pricing and very steep for a Sukumvit massage parlor. Keep in mind that the Lord is a very elegant (I kid you not) high class Soapy with a very gracious, well trained staff. I had several very memorable sessions with note worthy girls at the Lord in March & April.
Of course, I would have to see the Mitu No Hand girls first hand and then if they looked good, try one or two out to determine if this set up is even close to acceptable. By quick comparison, a 90 minute session with a cute, young, attractive girl in a room with a tub over at Addicts will run 2600bt or half the money.
It will be interesting to see if Mitu now has a successful business plan or this will be another failed business venture.
I have one question about the Mitu No hand girls: can the customer see a line up of available girls before choosing or is it by photos only?Natty, having been to both places I can confirm that the rooms at Lords are much superior compared to the VIP room at Mitu.
The girl selection for me was purely on ipad. Don't know if regulars get to see girls in person. Place seems to be running more on prebookings rather than walkins.
I had selected the top category girl and was charged 4300 baht for one session. The VIP room costed 1000 baht extra but was thrown in as a bundled offer at 4 pm and on basis of girl category selection.
I had a good exerience, 2 pops with Nuru gel massage. I won't mind repeating due to proximity to the hotel I stay at soi 22.
I found some sexy pictures of lady Chris at Mitu Massage, and I can see why you felt so good about walking up the stairs with her.
http://mitubangkok.com/nohand/cast.php
http://mitubangkok.com/nohand/cast/chris.php
Nice ass. Very nice indeed. And she wears a mini-skirt too. Following this sexy lady upstairs is like an accident waiting to happen. You don't pay attention where you are going. It doesn't take much for you to trip and fall, with your face right in the ass of this sexy lass.
I suppose this is why you need to be a Japanese guy. No touching and no groping, until she closes the door behind her. You need to have some patience. Or else you will embarrass the lady.Yeh she has some "gap", however I would pass due to her nose job not being to my spec. Probably nearly all of the girls have nose jobs based on the pics. I do take girls with nose jobs, but very rarely, and usually only if quite hard to detect or be certain.
One girl with really excellent nose job I take regularly is Oom (Suckers bar, ex No.91 of Crazy House). She had it done as young as 17, amazingly for 25K Baht I believe including extracting bone from behind the ear. I could never be certain was a nose job except that was just a bit more prominent at the base than usual. I don't see that many great nose jobs, at least not ones I can be sure of. LOL Any time the nose job is obvious, that just spoils it for me. There are so many shockers. I don't say the Mitu girls have shockers, but they are easily seen.
Maybe I can post a pic of Oom sometime to show a really good nose job. Might need to shop it a bit to hide her identity. She has a lot of family to support, but I guess they don't know exactly how she gets her money, for 4 years. Thankfully she ditched her CH boyfriend (the DJ) at least 2 years ago, possibly was about that time I first tried her.
It gets ever increasingly more difficult for me to find really pretty natural girls without nose and tit jobs. I accept teeth braces. The natural pretty girls still exist though, but never without a customer for more than 5 minutes.
Francesco24
05-24-16, 11:29
I went to Cherry Massage for the first time tonight in search of some anal action with BB or Yaya, who are sisters I was told. BB was busy and Yaya was quite unpleasant to me in the reception for no reason at all. I can understand why those two don't get reviewed much. Yaya is quite pretty but she came across as having a really foul personality and I imagine her sister is the same. It's a shame as the face and body were definitely good enough for some nice backdoor action, but I'm crossing Cherry off of my list.
I haven't found a good A+ girl since Cream left Mango ages ago and now I'm in serious need of one. Any recommendations? Just needs to have a nice body (no birth scars) and be quite young.Even if my experience with both of them is at least 2 years old. I can confirm they have bad behavior / personality (at least with me).
Francesco24
05-24-16, 11:46
You may try Nung at the Ohtemachi shop, just before the B&B shop I think. She offers anal, told me she was 19 and I think that her body is really nice. If you're a boob lover be aware that this girl has absolutely zero boobs (imagine a 19 years girl's boobs) , but I found it rather cute. She's got a good massage (with her butt) and good blow job as well. She previously was working in Boss massage and her name was JJ. She's got a very lovely personality, I had 2 sessions with her that I enjoyed a lot 1 month ago. The only negative point is the prices in that shop are high (2700 for 1 h30). Treat her well as she is a very nice girl.Is she in any pictures of their website? http://www.thai-ol.com/gals/.
In answer to my own question, yes Snow White has girls who are A+, young and a nice body. I took one who said she's only been there for 11 days. She has no babies and a nice pair of tits but isn't as slim as I usually go for. She's very inexperienced and a bit fearful of A+ so probably not for guys looking for a PSE, unless like me your taste in porn involves deflowering anal virgins. She was very sweet but didn't want me to finger her and it took a while and a lot of lube to get my dick into her arse. She was ultra tight so it didn't take long for me to unload. I'll definitely be back as I saw another similar girl in the line-up.
I also popped into Cherry and BB was busy (again) and was told Focus no longer works there.
Apple Court
05-24-16, 15:11
Maybe the forum spell checker is mashing your words. I still have no clue what "meng the" is supposed to be. It does not seem to be English nor Thai that I can detect. Sometimes a letter "D" is changed to "the". Don't know if that is relevant here.
Perhaps I am not the most intuitive person.
I guess he means this?
Minge.
And. Chiefly British Vulgar Slang.
The vulva.
You may try Nung at the Ohtemachi shop, just before the B&B shop I think. She offers anal, told me she was 19 and I think that her body is really nice. If you're a boob lover be aware that this girl has absolutely zero boobs (imagine a 19 years girl's boobs) , but I found it rather cute. She's got a good massage (with her butt) and good blow job as well. She previously was working in Boss massage and her name was JJ. She's got a very lovely personality, I had 2 sessions with her that I enjoyed a lot 1 month ago. The only negative point is the prices in that shop are high (2700 for 1 h30). Treat her well as she is a very nice girl.Thanks for the advice. I'll try her our when I've got through the young Snow White girls.
Is she in any pictures of their website? http://www.thai-ol.com/gals/.I don't see her picture on their website but it's still on the boss massage's website. I'm sure she told me her name at that place was JJ but I think on the website her name is Ning. She is not a stunner but very doable and her pussy was tight also. I don't think she is PSE but I may be wrong.
.... She was very sweet but didn't want me to finger her and it took a while and a lot of lube to get my dick into her arse. She was ultra tight so it didn't take long for me to unload. I'll definitely be back as I saw another similar girl in the line-up....Your finger is a lot smaller than your cock. It doesn't make sense that she would agree to have anal sex with you but wouldn't let you prepare her for it. Anal sex without preparation is a lot more difficult and unpleasant for the lady to do.
Perhaps she was so embarrassed that you might get your finger dirty that she didn't want to let you do it.
I think a big barrier for women having anal sex with a guy is that they are afraid of disgusting the guy and turing him off, if he gets himself dirty. Which can happen, when the guy doesn't have much experience with anal sex.
If you try to make it more clean and sanitary for yourself in a way that she sees, then she might be more willing to do it with you. She might let you finger her ass, if you put a latex rubber glove on your hand. Because she let you take her ass with a condom on your cock. And having a rubber glove on your hand is equivalent to having a condom on your cock.
Perhaps this is something to try for her next guy.
It doesn't make sense that she would agree to have anal sex with you but wouldn't let you prepare her for it. She was very clean. I'm guessing she had a bad experience with some careless guy's fingernail hurting her. I did enjoy slowly forcing my dick in porn star style but of course you're right, that's not the best way for her. Anyway, she was very sweet and trying her best to make me happy so I think with a bit more experience she'll be a good one.
She was very clean. I'm guessing she had a bad experience with some careless guy's fingernail hurting her. I did enjoy slowly forcing my dick in porn star style but of course you're right, that's not the best way for her. Anyway, she was very sweet and trying her best to make me happy so I think with a bit more experience she'll be a good one.If you put on a rubber glove for fingering the lady's ass, then this takes care of your fingernails for her and any fear she might have of you dirtying your finger with her.
You can buy a whole box of disposable rubber gloves at most pharmacies for not too much money. And you can easily change your glove, if the one you have gets dirty.
It's also a good idea to put on such a glove on your hand for your own safety, if you are going to massage the lady pussy and her clit and finger her ass. Because if you do it with your unprotected hand, then you can easily contaminate your hand with possible STD bacteria or viruses and then infect yourself, when you put on your condom or rub your eye. But if you do it with a glove, then all you need to do is take off your glove and throw it out, before you touch yourself. It's a common-sense precaution against STDs.
Fast Eddie 48
05-24-16, 20:58
The problem I simply you have to pay in advance, so you have no power.To Lee66.
Everyone have to paid upfront all sauna in Bangkok is like that but you don't have to tip upfront only tip if you get good service.
Fast Eddie 48.
The problem I simply you have to pay in advance, so you have no power.I'm not sure if I agree with your logic. Because it's like saying that your credit card company has no power, when it gives you your loan and pays you in advance. This isn't true. Because your agreement with the company gives it a lot of power over you. And that's how it is with most agreements, where you pay in advance.
Paying in advance is often a way to gain power, rather than lose it. Because the lady owes you a favor, when you pay her in advance. You can behave with her like she owes you a favor. Because this is true, and she knows it too.
I usually don't touch the lady, before I give her any money. Because she doesn't owe me anything and I feel powerless with her. But once she takes my money and puts it away, then my hands on her pussy, tits, and ass she gets to feel right away. I feel totally free to go on a groping spree. And the lady doesn't slap me for it either, because she knows this is just foreplay, before her roll in the hay. Giving the lady money in advance gives me the power to go after her and really nail her.
But if you like to stay passive with the lady and expect her to do all the work, then your power to go after her like she owes you a favor is useless for you. Having the power and not using it is the same as not having it. Because it makes no difference for you. You are powerless in this situation not because you don't have the power but because you choose not to use it.
Crocodilexp
05-25-16, 16:31
Paying in advance is often a way to gain power, rather than lose it. Because the lady owes you a favor, when you pay her in advance.
But if you like to stay passive with the lady and expect her to do all the work, then your power to go after her like she owes you a favor is useless for you. Having the power and not using it is the same as not having it. Interesting angle, although I disagree.
The problem is that paying in advance does NOT give you the power or permission to do anything to the sex worker that she does not consent to. That would still be assault / [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), and ethically odious even if you could get away with it. For instance, if she doesn't want to give a BJ or even have sex at all, having already paid does NOT give you the right or power to make her do it. All you can do is insist that she upholds her end of the bargain (explicit or implicit), but cannot actually do anything about it without creating a conflict or crossing some serious lines, possibly into intimidation or violence. Psychologically, might be easier to justify doing this if you paid in advance, but normal people don't like crossing those lines anyway.
When you pay afterwards, you always have the option of meeting the bad attitude with a simple shrug and saying "you're free to do whatever you want, but if you don't do what is agreed / expected, I won't pay". Then the onus is on them to cross those lines into threats or violence to make you pay.
Now, most people try to get along and will do their part of the bargain, even if they could avoid it. However, sex workers are not a particularly trustworthy and reliable bunch. Although most in Thailand are honest (especially at well-established oilies), in many other places this is patently not the case (hell, even, the word for a sex session is "a trick" and the verb for sex work "to trick" the customer). You don't need the power of payment-after with with the good attitude girls, but with the borderline and bad ones. Even with the fairly decent ones who don't intend to trick you, there could still be minor disagreements and misunderstandings. Paying afterwards ensures minor disagreements will be resolved in your favor rather than hers.
As for the active / passive angle, for most people, regardless of your own level of activity a good session requires active participation of the sex worker. If she just lies there and lets you do whatever while acting indifferent or worse, the term is "starfish", and not many are happy with that type of session (though I'm sure some segment of punters is OK with that, and appreciates the power to do what they want, regardless of the girl's attitude).
Interesting angle, although I disagree.
The problem is that paying in advance does NOT give you the power or permission to do anything to the sex worker that she does not consent to. That would still be assault, and ethically odious even if you could get away with it. For instance, if she doesn't want to give a BJ or even have sex at all, having already paid does NOT give you the right or power to make her do it. All you can do is insist that she upholds her end of the bargain (explicit or implicit), but cannot actually do anything about it without creating a conflict or crossing some serious lines, possibly into intimidation or violence. Psychologically, might be easier to justify doing this if you paid in advance, but normal people don't like crossing those lines anyway.
When you pay afterwards, you always have the option of meeting the bad attitude with a simple shrug and saying "you're free to do whatever you want, but if you don't do what is agreed / expected, I won't pay". Then the onus is on them to cross those lines into threats or violence to make you pay.
Now, most people try to get along and will do their part of the bargain, even if they could avoid it. However, sex workers are not a particularly trustworthy and reliable bunch. Although most in Thailand are honest (especially at well-established oilies), in many other places this is patently not the case (hell, even, the word for a sex session is "a trick" and the verb for sex work "to trick" the customer). You don't need the power of payment-after with with the good attitude girls, but with the borderline and bad ones. Even with the fairly decent ones who don't intend to trick you, there could still be minor disagreements and misunderstandings. Paying afterwards ensures minor disagreements will be resolved in your favor rather than hers.
As for the active / passive angle, for most people, regardless of your own level of activity a good session requires active participation of the sex worker. If she just lies there and lets you do whatever while acting indifferent or worse, the term is "starfish", and not many are happy with that type of session (though I'm sure some segment of punters is OK with that, and appreciates the power to do what they want, regardless of the girl's attitude).Agree with you 100%. Once you hand over the money you have given away your only bargaining chip. I always pay after the session in the PSE shops. Never been asked to pay upfront. Of course I have been a regular at the shops for 10 years now, so I am well known.
Franciscass
05-26-16, 05:56
Agree with you 100%. Once you hand over the money you have given away your only bargaining chip. I always pay after the session in the PSE shops. Never been asked to pay upfront. Of course I have been a regular at the shops for 10 years now, so I am well known.Paying in advance at oilies is relatively new when compared to soapies where it was always the norm. Bad customer behavior is the reason most cited by shop owners as to why it changed. Personally I don't believe it was a ploy to stiff (no pun intended) customers or has changed attitudes on the part of the girls. You can argue it improves the experience because she is relaxed not worrying whether she will be paid or conversely she doesn't give a rat's ass knowing the money is in the bank. In my experience girls have a set routine they go with. It may vary slightly from customer to customer depending on the usual suspects: customer's behavior and hygiene and the so called chemistry but with some exceptions I doubt paying upfront makes a difference. What it has done though is bump up prices somewhat. It used to be 400 for the shop and 1500 to the girl. Now combined prices are mostly 2000 up, that plus a tip brings the tab closer to 2500.
The problem I simply you have to pay in advance, so you have no power.Most MPs for Thais have been changed to pay upfront, due to problems with customers fucking the girl then finding they have no money. Did not happen with Thais only. Plenty of PSE shop girls have reported this problem, too. Refusing customers is not well taken by management even if the customer is a very well known cheat, on the girl grapevine. MPs for Farangs are mostly changing over to pay up front unless customer is well known. That is how it is. I just accept it. I am not going to stay away from the best looking girls due to policies of paying up front.
The concept of having extra power, is an illusion to me. I don't have asshole personality to fuck and then not pay. I guess theoretically could leave after just 5 or 10 minutes without paying if girl has not yet been molested or nothing sexual took place. However I almost never find out how bad a girl is going to be that quickly in practice. Maybe once or twice happened with a girl really hopeless that I knew pretty much straight away. Vodka at Cherry (maybe), and some pathetic girl at Pink.
I suppose its a good reason to have sex first and leave any mucking around like massage till later. I don't like any real massage anyway. Just time wasting to me.
Bargirls have been burned many times too by customer just not paying after getting the fuck. They start to ask guys to pay upfront if they do not trust the guys. If customers could be trusted to pay correctly agreed money for agreed services, this pay up front problem would not be happening. I still never pay upfront for bargirls, but am a trusted customer. I would indeed be scared of paying up front more so with bargirls unknown, because they could do a runner. That could not really happen at an MP.
Interesting angle, although I disagree.
The problem is that paying in advance does NOT give you the power or permission to do anything to the sex worker that she does not consent to....When the massage lady takes your money, then this is her way of giving you consent for her usual services. That's why she doesn't object, when you start touching her sexually.
The lady's consent empowers you to touch her sexually. And that's why I say that you gain power, when you pay the lady in advance. It's the lady's consent that gives you the power to get sexual with her. And that's why I also say that I feel powerless, before the lady takes my money. I don't yet have her consent at this point.
Of course it's not always clear what exactly the lady has consented to. It's not like people have a list written by a lawyer of all the things they might want to do, and the lady signs it, before anything happens. And that's why the lady can clarify her consent any time she wants by telling the guy 'no' for things she doesn't want to do.
It all comes down to being reasonable. When the lady has apparently consented to have sex with you, then it's reasonable to assume that you can touch her sexually to foreplay her. And that's why you don't need to ask her before you touch her. And if you are reasonable about it, then she probably won't object.
Franciscass
05-26-16, 16:13
When the massage lady takes your money, then this is her way of giving you consent for her usual services. That's why she doesn't object, when you start touching her sexually.It's a stretch Dan to suggest unless you pay in advance you do not have permission to touch. When she is on her knees in the shower giving you a blow job even if you haven't paid upfront most likely it's OK to touch. What effect paying upfront might have on service is a different conversation. If the place is well managed this shouldn't be an issue which is why one needs to do their homework on ISG and other forums before venturing out. Incidentally Bongkot is one of the few remaining shops with no upfront payments not even for the massage. Is the service there any better or worse?.
The negative impact of venues shifting incrementally or only with new and unknown customers to a Pay Upfront system would naturally be minimal when we're talking about well managed venues that have tried to gather and maintain a relatively trustworthy staff who came into the game, built their reputation and began to establish a repeat customer base when it was Pay After.
But those more reliable and trustworthy staffers won't be in the game forever. And as new girls come onto the scene never knowing a Pay After system, never being required to learn the ropes and walk the walk not just talk a truck load of bull shite before paying up as was the case when the custmers were only going to Pay After the girl walked the walk (and there will be many, many new girls who will enter the biz ONLY because their little noggins can easily do the math on Bank The Money First = Fake Confusion In The Room), then that is when the usual Pay Upfront hijinks and colossal waste of customer time, emotion and money will come to fruition.
The negative impact of venues shifting incrementally or only with new and unknown customers to a Pay Upfront system would naturally be minimal when we're talking about well managed venues that have tried to gather and maintain a relatively trustworthy staff who came into the game, built their reputation and began to establish a repeat customer base when it was Pay After.
But those more reliable and trustworthy staffers won't be in the game forever. And as new girls come onto the scene never knowing a Pay After system, never being required to learn the ropes and walk the walk not just talk a truck load of bull shite before paying up as was the case when the custmers were only going to Pay After the girl walked the walk (and there will be many, many new girls who will enter the biz ONLY because their little noggins can easily do the math on Bank The Money First = Fake Confusion In The Room), then that is when the usual Pay Upfront hijinks and colossal waste of customer time, emotion and money will come to fruition.Right there with you on this line of reasoning. I am sometimes astonished by the attitudes that I see in places these days. It's like they are doing you a favor no matter how little service they are providing. And I think this is becoming the default position I most places due in no small part to the pay upfront model. And yes, on Rachada and Petchaburi it has always been pay first, but with a mainly Thai clientele the gals can't get away with poor service. Thai dudes won't put up with it and won't come back. They will also complain, which is something that many Farangs and other Asians will not do.
I am always a bit stunned at how many dudes view P4 P as different from the other services they purchase. They often take the side of the providers instead of that of the customers, even if that is to the detriment of us all. I am sure there are some bad customers out there who are ridiculously demanding and there are some that don't pay, but I believe those guys are a very small minority. If we want our pastime to continue to flourish then we need to press for good service and remember we are the ones paying.
Francesco24
05-27-16, 07:53
Right there with you on this line of reasoning. I am sometimes astonished by the attitudes that I see in places these days. It's like they are doing you a favor no matter how little service they are providing. And I think this is becoming the default position I most places due in no small part to the pay upfront model. And yes, on Rachada and Petchaburi it has always been pay first, but with a mainly Thai clientele the gals can't get away with poor service. Thai dudes won't put up with it and won't come back. They will also complain, which is something that many Farangs and other Asians will not do.
I am always a bit stunned at how many dudes view P4 P as different from the other services they purchase. They often take the side of the providers instead of that of the customers, even if that is to the detriment of us all. I am sure there are some bad customers out there who are ridiculously demanding and there are some that don't pay, but I believe those guys are a very small minority. If we want our pastime to continue to flourish then we need to press for good service and remember we are the ones paying.Almost all my friends stopped coming to Thailand for their holidays. Most of them started coming here when the situation was already getting worse and didn't feel anything special with the ladies like it used to happens 15+ years ago and called it quit after 1-2 trips more. Only one friend is still coming as his first few trips happened at a still decent time and now he lives most of memories and complaining about the current situation. But he switched from 2 trips per year to just one and it's lately considering changing destination completely.
Mostly I hate the fact that so many girls lately don't want kissing at all. And I'm still fit and decent looking and in my late 30's. I am scared to think about what will be in 10 or 20 more years.
It's a stretch Dan to suggest unless you pay in advance you do not have permission to touch. When she is on her knees in the shower giving you a blow job even if you haven't paid upfront most likely it's OK to touch. What effect paying upfront might have on service is a different conversation. If the place is well managed this shouldn't be an issue which is why one needs to do their homework on ISG and other forums before venturing out. Incidentally Bongkot is one of the few remaining shops with no upfront payments not even for the massage. Is the service there any better or worse?.I think certainty without any doubt is very important to have in a sexual type of situation for both the guy and the lady. Because when you are having doubts for any reason, then this takes away from your enjoyment and your participation.
You might have trouble getting an erection going, if your mind isn't 100% on the lady. And the lady might be mechanical in her service, if she is worried about getting paid and her mind isn't on what she is doing with you.
Paying the lady in advance is a way to make it very certain for yourself and the lady. Neither you nor she need to worry about consent and payment. Both of you can just enjoy with each other, without any worry.
If you want to have good service from the lady, then you need to put her mind at ease and make it comfortable for her. Or else she won't be able to do a good job with you, even if she wants to.
In other types of business, it's normal to pay in advance for your services, in most situations. When you fly on an airplane for example, then you pay in advance. When you go to watch a movie, then you pay in advance too. Most colleges and universities require payment in advance. The only exception I can think of is eating at the restaurant, where you pay after you eat. But even among restaurants, fast-food restaurants require payment before you eat. And they are more popular than any other type of restaurant. Which means that payment in advance might be a better way of doing it.
A P4P type of situation is different from other types of services. It's important to put the lady at ease and take her anxieties away. Because the quality of her service depends on it. Not paying the lady in advance is liable to lead to mechanical service from the lady, because her anxiety about getting paid is a distraction for her feelings with you.
NopoProwler
05-27-16, 10:56
Most MPs for Thais have been changed to pay upfront, due to problems with customers fucking the girl then finding they have no money. Did not happen with Thais only. Plenty of PSE shop girls have reported this problem, too. Refusing customers is not well taken by management even if the customer is a very well known cheat, on the girl grapevine. MPs for Farangs are mostly changing over to pay up front unless customer is well known. That is how it is. I just accept it. I am not going to stay away from the best looking girls due to policies of paying up front.
The concept of having extra power, is an illusion to me. I don't have asshole personality to fuck and then not pay. I guess theoretically could leave after just 5 or 10 minutes without paying if girl has not yet been molested or nothing sexual took place. However I almost never find out how bad a girl is going to be that quickly in practice. Maybe once or twice happened with a girl really hopeless that I knew pretty much straight away. Vodka at Cherry (maybe), and some pathetic girl at Pink..My 2 cents:
Isn't one of the goals of this forum to tell about bad experiences and good experiences? Most of the places I've been to for P4P are pay in advance and though I have been to some in Bangkok where you can pay on the way out, I don't think it made much difference, at least not more than selecting the right girl. I truly think it's more about finding the right girl who provides the services you want. I don't think you can say "kiss me or I won't pay you" and she'll just comply because you haven't paid yet.
I know the whole YMMV but if someone here says this or that girl wasn't cool, I would probably not go for her, whereas if someone said this or that girl was cool I might give her a try and see how it goes. The whole pay first or after is of little consequence compared to "casing" the girls and finding out about them before hand.
Nopo
Franciscass
05-27-16, 12:06
I think certainty without any doubt is very important to have in a sexual type of situation for both the guy and the lady. Because when you are having doubts for any reason, then this takes away from your enjoyment and your participation.
You might have trouble getting an erection going, if your mind isn't 100% on the lady. And the lady might be mechanical in her service, if she is worried about getting paid and her mind isn't on what she is doing with you.
Paying the lady in advance is a way to make it very certain for yourself and the lady. Neither you nor she need to worry about consent and payment. Both of you can just enjoy with each other, without any worry.
If you want to have good service from the lady, then you need to put her mind at ease and make it comfortable for her. Or else she won't be able to do a good job with you, even if she wants to.
In other types of business, it's normal to pay in advance for your services, in most situations. When you fly on an airplane for example, then you pay in advance. When you go to watch a movie, then you pay in advance too. Most colleges and universities require payment in advance. The only exception I can think of is eating at the restaurant, where you pay after you eat. But even among restaurants, fast-food restaurants require payment before you eat. And they are more popular than any other type of restaurant. Which means that payment in advance might be a better way of doing it.
A P4P type of situation is different from other types of services. It's important to put the lady at ease and take her anxieties away. Because the quality of her service depends on it. Not paying the lady in advance is liable to lead to mechanical service from the lady, because her anxiety about getting paid is a distraction for her feelings with you.I feel Dan you may be overestimating the anxiety the lady will be feeling if she has not been paid up front. If she is in the business for any length of time she will know that at Bangkok oilies at least it is very much the exception a customer does not pay. I can see your point that receiving payment upfront puts her at ease but equally I understand the argument that once she's paid she may become blasé on service. As I said before I don't believe working girls have different routines for different situations or different customers no matter how much some of us might like to think we get special treatment. I know this but I still love to hear her tell me I am a good customer and she wants to see me again.
I think certainty without any doubt is very important to have in a sexual type of situation for both the guy and the lady. Because when you are having doubts for any reason, then this takes away from your enjoyment and your participation.
You might have trouble getting an erection going, if your mind isn't 100% on the lady. And the lady might be mechanical in her service, if she is worried about getting paid and her mind isn't on what she is doing with you.
Paying the lady in advance is a way to make it very certain for yourself and the lady. Neither you nor she need to worry about consent and payment. Both of you can just enjoy with each other, without any worry.
If you want to have good service from the lady, then you need to put her mind at ease and make it comfortable for her. Or else she won't be able to do a good job with you, even if she wants to.
In other types of business, it's normal to pay in advance for your services, in most situations. When you fly on an airplane for example, then you pay in advance. When you go to watch a movie, then you pay in advance too. Most colleges and universities require payment in advance. The only exception I can think of is eating at the restaurant, where you pay after you eat. But even among restaurants, fast-food restaurants require payment before you eat. And they are more popular than any other type of restaurant. Which means that payment in advance might be a better way of doing it.
A P4P type of situation is different from other types of services. It's important to put the lady at ease and take her anxieties away. Because the quality of her service depends on it. Not paying the lady in advance is liable to lead to mechanical service from the lady, because her anxiety about getting paid is a distraction for her feelings with you.Ok, I'll play along. I have far too much respect for everyone's freedom to change their mind at any point in the P4 P experience to support Pay Upfront. The lady can always change her mind about what sexual activity she will allow and engage in whether it is Pay After or Pay Upfront. But only with Pay After does the customer have a reasonable and fair counterpart freedom to change his mind about how much he will pay her if she chooses to do so.
I mean, as long as we are so concerned about everyone's anxiety, comfort level and all of that.
But those other Pay Upfront examples you gave are not even remotely comparable to what one would be paying for upfront in a public setting but receiving in privacy as on a P4 P experience.
There is no practical debate about whether a movie ticket seller, an airline ticket seller, a college or a fast food chain server should be paid after instead of upfront because in those cases the outcome is tangible, standardized and in full view of the public. If there was a rash of Upfront Paying customers finding themselves sitting in a darkened theater with only trailers playing for two hours, travelers paying for flights to Las Vegas that land in Newark, colleges handing out tissue paper instead of certificates or diplomas and trays of plain hamburger patties with a lone slice of pickle on them served intead of the Big Mac Combos ordered, then we've got reason for debate about whether or not those products ought to be paid for upfront.
Ok, I'll play along. I have far too much respect for everyone's freedom to change their mind at any point in the P4 P experience to support Pay Upfront. The lady can always change her mind about what sexual activity she will allow and engage in whether it is Pay After or Pay Upfront. But only with Pay After does the customer have a reasonable and fair counterpart freedom to change his mind about how much he will pay her if she chooses to do so.
I mean, as long as we are so concerned about everyone's anxiety, comfort level and all of that.
But those other Pay Upfront examples you gave are not even remotely comparable to what one would be paying for upfront in a public setting but receiving in privacy as on a P4 P experience.
There is no practical debate about whether a movie ticket seller, an airline ticket seller, a college or a fast food chain server should be paid after instead of upfront because in those cases the outcome is tangible, standardized and in full view of the public. If there was a rash of Upfront Paying customers finding themselves sitting in a darkened theater with only trailers playing for two hours, travelers paying for flights to Las Vegas that land in Newark, colleges handing out tissue paper instead of certificates or diplomas and trays of plain hamburger patties with a lone slice of pickle on them served intead of the Big Mac Combos ordered, then we've got reason for debate about whether or not those products ought to be paid for upfront.Elh, just perfectly stated on your part. Could not agree more. And exactly why pay upfront is a bad model for us.
I feel Dan you may be overestimating the anxiety the lady will be feeling if she has not been paid up front. If she is in the business for any length of time she will know that at Bangkok oilies at least it is very much the exception a customer does not pay. I can see your point that receiving payment upfront puts her at ease but equally I understand the argument that once she's paid she may become blas on service. As I said before I don't believe working girls have different routines for different situations or different customers no matter how much some of us might like to think we get special treatment. I know this but I still love to hear her tell me I am a good customer and she wants to see me again.All it takes is for one guy not to pay to the lady, and she will start feeling insecure about getting paid in all of her work with guys.
It's like getting robbed is a rare event. But if you get robbed, then you will start feeling insecure anyway.
Some years ago in Pattaya, I went to a dental clinic to have my teeth cleaned. I've been there before, and they usually asked for payment after doing their service. But this time, the receptionist seemed to have some serious doubts about my ability to pay. I actually had to show her my money, before she said it was okay for me to get my teeth cleaned.
I didn't ask for any explanation. But my guess was that some western guy didn't pay there, after getting some dental treatment.
I think this kind of thing can happen at any business, including at the massage parlor. And all it takes is one incident to make people feel insecure with everyone.
...But only with Pay After does the customer have a reasonable and fair counterpart freedom to change his mind about how much he will pay her if she chooses to do so.
I mean, as long as we are so concerned about everyone's anxiety, comfort level and all of that....
Being concerned about everyone's anxiety means that you need to compromise between yourself and the lady. And a fair compromise is to pay the lady her basic fee in advance but make her tip dependent on her performance. This way both of you get a part of what you want. Which makes it a fair compromise.
It's tempting to be selfish with the lady and just take care of your own anxiety, while you ignore hers. But I think this in itself can cause bad service from the lady. Because her feelings won't be there with you. She won't feel good about you. And her bad feelings will show in how she does it with you.
Crocodilexp
05-28-16, 20:07
All it takes is for one guy not to pay to the lady
I understand this might be a problem with freelancers or even bargirls, but at an oily massage parlor? The guy would have to be nuts to try, being outnumbered 10:1, with a long flight of stairs and a door he doesn't have a key to. Add the few police officers on the regular payroll (to keep the parlor operating, but they'll help out in other matters to protect their cash cow). Sure, Thais look nice and smiley, but he's better off sticking his member into a beehive.
In the end, I doubt most of those ladies are all that anxious. Unfortunately, not getting paid occasionally, or encountering a customer who is unpleasant in other ways is unavoidable part of their job that they probably experienced a few times. Given the underclass background and careless attitude (money comes and goes) of most Thai hookers these days, an occasional non-paying customer is bad luck, but it would hardly leave permanent psychological damage and keep them from sleeping at night.
Being concerned about everyone's anxiety means that you need to compromise between yourself and the lady. And a fair compromise is to pay the lady her basic fee in advance but make her tip dependent on her performance. This way both of you get a part of what you want. Which makes it a fair compromise.
It's tempting to be selfish with the lady and just take care of your own anxiety, while you ignore hers. But I think this in itself can cause bad service from the lady. Because her feelings won't be there with you. She won't feel good about you. And her bad feelings will show in how she does it with you.Dan, the most likely reason a Thai P4 P girl in a farang tourist area would feel anxiety about what she is doing is over the idea that getting paid more than 200 baht for what she was giving away for free back in her neighborhood might suddenly be recognized as something akin to felony robbery worthy of serious jail time.
Seriously, none of your no doubt heartfelt concerns conforms to the reality of P4 P in Thailand as you or any other farang tourist is likely to encounter more than a tiny fraction of their time there.
When the massage lady takes your money, then this is her way of giving you consent for her usual services. That's why she doesn't object, when you start touching her sexually.
The lady's consent empowers you to touch her sexually. And that's why I say that you gain power, when you pay the lady in advance. It's the lady's consent that gives you the power to get sexual with her. And that's why I also say that I feel powerless, before the lady takes my money. I don't yet have her consent at this point.You aren't seriously claiming that every time I go to Tulip or Snow White or Mango and so forth, and pay after the session, that I am having sex without the lady's consent, are you? Because that is the clear implication of your statement.
You aren't seriously claiming that every time I go to Tulip or Snow White or Mango and so forth, and pay after the session, that I am having sex without the lady's consent, are you? Because that is the clear implication of your statement.The thing about this kind of consent is that it's informal and not clearly laid out. It's open to interpretation by both you and her. Which means that you need the lady's goodwill and not just her consent. Or else she might interpret it in a way that doesn't work well for you.
She might have agreed to have sex with you. But does this include hugging and kissing and petting? And do you decide in what position to ride? Or is this her decision only?
It's questions like this that depend on the lady's goodwill. And that's why I say that it's better to pay the lady in advance, so that she feels good about being with you.
Any kind of agreement is open to interpretation. And that's why it's important to have the other person's goodwill and not just the agreement.
I'd say that anxiety about pay isn't just about whether you will pay or not. It's also about how much you will pay. A guy who pays the basic fee in advance looks like a guy who might give the lady a good tip afterwards too. But if you wait until the end to pay, then this looks like you don't like to part with your money. It's like you are a Cheap Charlie, who will reluctantly pay only the basic fee in the end.
When you fulfil your part of the agreement reluctantly and only when you have to, then this doesn't do much to earn the lady's goodwill towards you. Your reluctance to pay her sends her a message that perhaps she should do the bare minimum with you too. If you don't go out of your way to please her, then why should she do anything extra for you?
I actually have a good reason for earning the lady's goodwill and not just getting her consent. I like to go after the lady and grope her a lot. It's like no matter which way she turns, she is going to feel my hands on her pussy, ass, and tits. I'm all hands with her, especially with her pussy and clit. This is my way of foreplaying the lady. I masturbate her pussy and clit. And I let her decide, when it's time for the ride. Sometimes I end up having sex with the lady, after she already orgasmed with me. Which requires the lady's goodwill. Because she is already satisfied and might not want the ride.
The ladies let me do this not because they have to, but because they have some goodwill towards me, and they trust me enough to do my stuff.
I'm not the kind of guy who enjoys being passive with the lady and letting her do all the work. I like to go after the lady to enjoy it with her. And that's why I need her goodwill for the drill.
But if you just lie back and accept whatever the lady gives you, then this is just the routine. You aren't doing anything extra. Which means that you don't need to worry too much about whether the lady will interpret her agreement with you in your favor or not. If you don't depart from the lady's routine, then paying her in advance or in the end might not make much difference for your experience with her.
Usually I don't write much here, but all massages Spas in Bangkok has deteriorated 10 x times worse while prices increased 5 times to how things were used 10 years ago, all the people who still defends Bangkok haven't been to other greener pastures, even the local Thai parlors the women developed bad attitude, the last time I was in this Thai shop in Latprao the women asked an additional 2,500 baht so she could allow me to kiss her etc. , services used to be great in Sukumvit area where almost someone could guarantee a good time, now s it not longer the case I feel like the girls are overworked and quality of services are really poor, no GFEs and it s indeed very expensive.
Francesco24
05-29-16, 15:49
The thing about this kind of consent is that it's informal and not clearly laid out. It's open to interpretation by both you and her. Which means that you need the lady's goodwill and not just her consent. Or else she might interpret it in a way that doesn't work well for you.
She might have agreed to have sex with you. But does this include hugging and kissing and petting? And do you decide in what position to ride? Or is this her decision only?
It's questions like this that depend on the lady's goodwill. And that's why I say that it's better to pay the lady in advance, so that she feels good about being with you.
Any kind of agreement is open to interpretation. And that's why it's important to have the other person's goodwill and not just the agreement.
I'd say that anxiety about pay isn't just about whether you will pay or not. It's also about how much you will pay. A guy who pays the basic fee in advance looks like a guy who might give the lady a good tip afterwards too. But if you wait until the end to pay, then this looks like you don't like to part with your money. It's like you are a Cheap Charlie, who will reluctantly pay only the basic fee in the end.
When you fulfil your part of the agreement reluctantly and only when you have to, then this doesn't do much to earn the lady's goodwill towards you. Your reluctance to pay her sends her a message that perhaps she should do the bare minimum with you too. If you don't go out of your way to please her, then why should she do anything extra for you?.I am really sorry if I sound rude and for sure everyone is free to have their own ideas. But to me all your reasoning sounds really strange.
I visited mitubangkok.com and found 3 places.
What is the difference between nohand msg, Japanese msg, and hip's Bangkok?
Do they all offer full service? I notice the big difference in $$ among those 3.
I found some sexy pictures of lady Chris at Mitu Massage, and I can see why you felt so good about walking up the stairs with her.
http://mitubangkok.com/nohand/cast.php
http://mitubangkok.com/nohand/cast/chris.php
Nice ass. Very nice indeed. And she wears a mini-skirt too. Following this sexy lady upstairs is like an accident waiting to happen. You don't pay attention where you are going. It doesn't take much for you to trip and fall, with your face right in the ass of this sexy lass.
I suppose this is why you need to be a Japanese guy. No touching and no groping, until she closes the door behind her. You need to have some patience. Or else you will embarrass the lady.
The thing about this kind of consent is that it's informal and not clearly laid out. It's open to interpretation by both you and her. Which means that you need the lady's goodwill and not just her consent. Or else she might interpret it in a way that doesn't work well for you.
She might have agreed to have sex with you. But does this include hugging and kissing and petting? And do you decide in what position to ride? Or is this her decision only?
It's questions like this that depend on the lady's goodwill. And that's why I say that it's better to pay the lady in advance, so that she feels good about being with you.
Any kind of agreement is open to interpretation. And that's why it's important to have the other person's goodwill and not just the agreement.
I'd say that anxiety about pay isn't just about whether you will pay or not. It's also about how much you will pay. A guy who pays the basic fee in advance looks like a guy who might give the lady a good tip afterwards too. But if you wait until the end to pay, then this looks like you don't like to part with your money. It's like you are a Cheap Charlie, who will reluctantly pay only the basic fee in the end.
When you fulfil your part of the agreement reluctantly and only when you have to, then this doesn't do much to earn the lady's goodwill towards you. Your reluctance to pay her sends her a message that perhaps she should do the bare minimum with you too. If you don't go out of your way to please her, then why should she do anything extra for you?
I actually have a good reason for earning the lady's goodwill and not just getting her consent. I like to go after the lady and grope her a lot. It's like no matter which way she turns, she is going to feel my hands on her pussy, ass, and tits. I'm all hands with her, especially with her pussy and clit. This is my way of foreplaying the lady. I masturbate her pussy and clit. And I let her decide, when it's time for the ride. Sometimes I end up having sex with the lady, after she already orgasmed with me. Which requires the lady's goodwill. Because she is already satisfied and might not want the ride.
The ladies let me do this not because they have to, but because they have some goodwill towards me, and they trust me enough to do my stuff.
I'm not the kind of guy who enjoys being passive with the lady and letting her do all the work. I like to go after the lady to enjoy it with her. And that's why I need her goodwill for the drill.
But if you just lie back and accept whatever the lady gives you, then this is just the routine. You aren't doing anything extra. Which means that you don't need to worry too much about whether the lady will interpret her agreement with you in your favor or not. If you don't depart from the lady's routine, then paying her in advance or in the end might not make much difference for your experience with her.Dan, at the end of the day we are still the customers and it is their job to make sure we are happy campers. While I appreciate your touchy feely approach to things, I am not there to please her, although that is a bonus if she in into it. I am there for a good service and a great time, and that is what I expect for my baht. I am nice, respectful, and fun, but again at the end of the day I expect performance. She is not paying me; I am paying her. It's not her routine; it's mine.
Some American
05-29-16, 18:29
Usually I don't write much here, but all massages Spas in Bangkok has deteriorated 10 x times worse while prices increased 5 times to how things were used 10 years ago, all the people who still defends Bangkok haven't been to other greener pastures, even the local Thai parlors the women developed bad attitude, the last time I was in this Thai shop in Latprao the women asked an additional 2,500 baht so she could allow me to kiss her etc. , services used to be great in Sukumvit area where almost someone could guarantee a good time, now s it not longer the case I feel like the girls are overworked and quality of services are really poor, no GFEs and it s indeed very expensive.You've been to ALL massage spas in Bangkok and NEVER posted a review? Not even one? You are preposterous. While I certainly agree that there has been some decline in service in some shops and some inflation overall, your point is pure and utter horse hockey. In the last ten years prices of extras, 500/1000/1500, have not changed. Most entry prices (at the oilies) have also not changed. There are some that want a flat rate when you enter, but generally they are happy to let you tip the girl for special services.
Normally I'd urge you to do a little more research before you post, but I think we might all be better off if you post at the same rate you did before this one.
Christian G
05-29-16, 19:12
Dan, at the end of the day we are still the customers and it is their job to make sure we are happy campers. While I appreciate your touchy feely approach to things, I am not there to please her, although that is a bonus if she in into it. I am there for a good service and a great time, and that is what I expect for my baht. I am nice, respectful, and fun, but again at the end of the day I expect performance. She is not paying me; I am paying her. It's not her routine; it's mine. Totally agree with you! nothing more to add.
I am really sorry if I sound rude and for sure everyone is free to have their own ideas. But to me all your reasoning sounds really strange.I would say the only way someone with at least a passing experience with P4 P virtually anywhere in the world and Thailand in particular could possibly conclude that paying the girls the bulk of their money upfront will likely result in better service all around is by applying really strange reasoning to the subject.
Juicyclamlover
05-30-16, 02:26
Usually I don't write much here, but all massages Spas in Bangkok has deteriorated 10 x times worse while prices increased 5 times to how things were used 10 years ago, all the people who still defends Bangkok haven't been to other greener pastures, even the local Thai parlors the women developed bad attitude, the last time I was in this Thai shop in Latprao the women asked an additional 2,500 baht so she could allow me to kiss her etc. , services used to be great in Sukumvit area where almost someone could guarantee a good time, now s it not longer the case I feel like the girls are overworked and quality of services are really poor, no GFEs and it s indeed very expensive.Utter crap.
Franciscass
05-30-16, 04:50
I would say the only way someone with at least a passing experience with P4 P virtually anywhere in the world and Thailand in particular could possibly conclude that paying the girls the bulk of their money upfront will likely result in better service all around is by applying really strange reasoning to the subject.I feel in Dan's case it's more that he feels at ease by paying in advance. Most of us don't believe it's necessary but if it makes sense for him go for it. Incidentally I like his non confrontational style of arguing his point of view.
You've been to ALL massage spas in Bangkok and NEVER posted a review? Not even one? You are preposterous. While I certainly agree that there has been some decline in service in some shops and some inflation overall, your point is pure and utter horse hockey. In the last ten years prices of extras, 500/1000/1500, have not changed. Most entry prices (at the oilies) have also not changed. There are some that want a flat rate when you enter, but generally they are happy to let you tip the girl for special services.
Normally I'd urge you to do a little more research before you post, but I think we might all be better off if you post at the same rate you did before this one.As I used to monger in very different ways from you all guys this is the major differences that I noted.
I have been coming in and out of Thailand for the last 15 yrs, staying as long as 2-3 months per trip, this is the major changes that I have noted.
1 - prior to 2014 I used to pick up massage girls easily from most ordinary massage spas, success rate was at least 60%-50% they were much more interested to earn extra money, yes sex on the venues were not allowed but many agreed to meet me after work, they were financially hungry looking for extra money to send home or trip to somewhere nice, I remember this Isaan woman.
Who even came to my room twice for 2000 baht plus tips, girls used to be more caring and there were this aspect of GFE that made mongering fun indeed, nowadays they've developed.
The attitudes of who you think am I? Bla bla bla.
2 - premium extra services venues especially on Soi 33 - 24 was a real heaven there were huge of selection of girls, the service used to be top-top, seldom had to complain, seldom had a girl asking me to leave earlier as it s the case nowadays, the quality nowadays are so-so.
3- Thai venues around petchaburi road had better services for sure, now even a kiss is not allowed sometimes, they want you to leave ASAP, sometimes they refuse a BJ.
4- the last time I went to this Thai venue in latprao called I had a fight because shed asked for extra 2000 after I paid already 2500, didn't even allow me to touch her boobs.
5 -Stickman Bangkok already predicted this situation to happen with his article about the declining demographics.
6- since 2015 I m starting to have much more fun in other destinations like (Indonesia, Cambodia) and even southern Europe became much more fun, in Spain I had 2 hours wonderful sessions sex with a Chinese FL and a Colombian for 50 euros (2000 Baht), had an incredible session with a Jamaican chic in Barcelona for 40 euros only.
7-people used to pack their bags to head to Thailand for mongering, nowadays it s just an average destination, that s my opinion anyway.
Apple Court
05-30-16, 11:23
Normally I'd urge you to do a little more research before you post, but I think we might all be better off if you post at the same rate you did before this one.I may have to borrow that one in the future. A hearty chortle was had indeed.
Dan, at the end of the day we are still the customers and it is their job to make sure we are happy campers. While I appreciate your touchy feely approach to things, I am not there to please her, although that is a bonus if she in into it. I am there for a good service and a great time, and that is what I expect for my baht. I am nice, respectful, and fun, but again at the end of the day I expect performance. She is not paying me; I am paying her. It's not her routine; it's mine.A recent study has found that most guys fantasize about pleasing their lady and not just themselves. Because according to this study, some of the top sex fantasies for men to have are:
Performing cunnilingus on the lady - 78.1%.
Masturbating the lady - 76.4%.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2014/11/10/sexual-fantasies-least-popular-science-finally-weighs/
Perhaps you belong to that 12% of men who don't care much about pleasing their lady and orgasming her. But your attitude is a minority attitude. I think most guys, including myself, need to arouse the lady and possibly orgasm her. The pleasure needs to be mutual, or else it doesn't work well for the guy.
I am really sorry if I sound rude and for sure everyone is free to have their own ideas. But to me all your reasoning sounds really strange.Truth always sounds strange, when people are used to their misconceptions. But that's not a good reason to reject it.
If you reject ideas just because they are strange, then you can never change.
A recent study has found that most guys fantasize about pleasing their lady and not just themselves. Because according to this study, some of the top sex fantasies for men to have are:
Performing cunnilingus on the lady - 78.1%.
Masturbating the lady - 76.4%.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2014/11/10/sexual-fantasies-least-popular-science-finally-weighs/
Perhaps you belong to that 12% of men who don't care much about pleasing their lady and orgasming her. But your attitude is a minority attitude. I think most guys, including myself, need to arouse the lady and possibly orgasm her. The pleasure needs to be mutual, or else it doesn't work well for the guy."I have fantasized about having sex with a prostitute or stripper. " Cited by 39.5% of the male respondants.
And I submit fewer than 5% cited that fantasy because, oh boy, here is their chance to finally go down on a woman or masturbate her. I submit that they fantasize such a thing because of what they could have a prostitute do for them instead.
But, hey, the study didn't post results for follow up questions relating to that particular fantasy so neither one of us knows exactly what that 39.5% of male respondants had in mind, right?
Of course, we could go by the thousands of years of organized P4 P business and the millions and millions of hours men and women have spent indulging in it as a clue for what men have been buying from women sellers in this regard. And I don't believe many women sellers or business ventures have thrived or remained in business very long promoting the idea that this is where men go who want to please a woman sexually.
Just sayin'.
As a niche offering? Sure, why not. But as the predominant business model? No way. In fact, I doubt you could keep more than 2 girls out of a line up of 12 in the business if the idea was they should achieve sexual satisfaction with each of their customers. Eegadd! Most P4P women would quit that establishment and run for the hills before the end of their first shift.
Franciscass
05-30-16, 14:54
Truth always sounds strange, when people are used to their misconceptions. But that's not a good reason to reject it.
If you reject ideas just because they are strange, then you can never change.Dan,
I agree on being open minded. But lets consider what's happening here. First thing to realize you are paying for a service. Second thing to remember she is working. It's her job so it's not about her having a good time it's about you having a good time. It's about your orgasm (s) not hers. You shouldn't confuse the mind set of sexual workers with the mindset of customers. It's not a romantic encounter. Of course no denying it if she seems to be enjoying what's happening it feels better and if you feel her having a good time is more likely because she has no concerns about being paid by all means pay upfront. Its no big deal. Personally I think it's more important to agree on what level of service is going to be provided as to whether the session turns out well or not, for both parties.
A recent study has found that most guys fantasize about pleasing their lady and not just themselves. Because according to this study, some of the top sex fantasies for men to have are:
Performing cunnilingus on the lady - 78.1%.
Masturbating the lady - 76.4%.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2014/11/10/sexual-fantasies-least-popular-science-finally-weighs/
Perhaps you belong to that 12% of men who don't care much about pleasing their lady and orgasming her. But your attitude is a minority attitude. I think most guys, including myself, need to arouse the lady and possibly orgasm her. The pleasure needs to be mutual, or else it doesn't work well for the guy.Girlfriend sex and P4 P sex are two different animals Dan. It's great when a P4 P gal wants to have a good time with her customer, but it's a bonus. When I am with a P4 P gal it is about me. I like to go down on a woman as well I like to finger, rub et al. But it is all involved with my experience. If she comes, great, but I'm not going to feel bad if she doesn't. In fact, I had a recent experience where an oily gal wanted anal, said she wanted to come, and pulled out a vibrator. She also told me that it takes her a long time to come. Well, that long time was about 20 straight non-stop pumping minutes of intense anal with her grinding her clit with the vibrator. And I was spent after that. Truth be told that is a bit too much work when I am paying.
When I am with a GF then her coming first is paramount. My focus is on her, but with a P4 P gal? I'm the one paying.
As I used to monger in very different ways from you all guys this is the major differences that I noted.
I have been coming in and out of Thailand for the last 15 yrs, staying as long as 2-3 months per trip, this is the major changes that I have noted.
1 - prior to 2014 I used to pick up massage girls easily from most ordinary massage spas, success rate was at least 60%-50% they were much more interested to earn extra money, yes sex on the venues were not allowed but many agreed to meet me after work, they were financially hungry looking for extra money to send home or trip to somewhere nice, I remember this Isaan woman.
Who even came to my room twice for 2000 baht plus tips, girls used to be more caring and there were this aspect of GFE that made mongering fun indeed, nowadays they've developed.
The attitudes of who you think am I? Bla bla bla.
2 - premium extra services venues especially on Soi 33 - 24 was a real heaven there were huge of selection of girls, the service used to be top-top, seldom had to complain, seldom had a girl asking me to leave earlier as it s the case nowadays, the quality nowadays are so-so.
3- Thai venues around petchaburi road had better services for sure, now even a kiss is not allowed sometimes, they want you to leave ASAP, sometimes they refuse a BJ.
4- the last time I went to this Thai venue in latprao called I had a fight because shed asked for extra 2000 after I paid already 2500, didn't even allow me to touch her boobs.
5 -Stickman Bangkok already predicted this situation to happen with his article about the declining demographics.
6- since 2015 I m starting to have much more fun in other destinations like (Indonesia, Cambodia) and even southern Europe became much more fun, in Spain I had 2 hours wonderful sessions sex with a Chinese FL and a Colombian for 50 euros (2000 Baht), had an incredible session with a Jamaican chic in Barcelona for 40 euros only.
7-people used to pack their bags to head to Thailand for mongering, nowadays it s just an average destination, that s my opinion anyway.Agree with all you have to say. Mongering here is a shadow of what it was 15 years ago. Entitled attitudes abound, fed by punters who are easy to please.
Usually I don't write much here, but all massages Spas in Bangkok has deteriorated 10 x times worse while prices increased 5 times to how things were used 10 years ago, all the people who still defends Bangkok haven't been to other greener pastures, even the local Thai parlors the women developed bad attitude, the last time I was in this Thai shop in Latprao the women asked an additional 2,500 baht so she could allow me to kiss her etc. , services used to be great in Sukumvit area where almost someone could guarantee a good time, now s it not longer the case I feel like the girls are overworked and quality of services are really poor, no GFEs and it s indeed very expensive.Couldn't agree more. It's like prospecting for gold now; sometimes you find some decent pieces, but nothing like what it was before. I can say that my wallet is getting heavier now that I have no decent P4 P establishments on my radar, whereas before I had too many places to visit as a patron. However in this current situation, I'm just finding steady P4 P girls and turning it into a regular thing. This regular hookup is done preferably outside of the bar / shop, and I am not paying the high price and also gambling on quality anymore.
So basically, I think moving towards having quality regulars is so much better than rolling the dice constantly. At least in this quality deprived environment.
Some American
05-30-16, 16:37
As I used to monger in very different ways from you all guys this is the major differences that I noted.
I have been coming in and out of Thailand for the last 15 yrs, staying as long as 2-3 months per trip, this is the major changes that I have noted.
Of course you have. That's why you've shared so much info with the rest of us through the years. We all appreciate that.
Couldn't agree more. It's like prospecting for gold now; sometimes you find some decent pieces, but nothing like what it was before. I can say that my wallet is getting heavier now that I have no decent P4 P establishments on my radar, whereas before I had too many places to visit as a patron. However in this current situation, I'm just finding steady P4 P girls and turning it into a regular thing. This regular hookup is done preferably outside of the bar / shop, and I am not paying the high price and also gambling on quality anymore.
So basically, I think moving towards having quality regulars is so much better than rolling the dice constantly. At least in this quality deprived environment.I just found that mongering in Thailand lost its exoticism, it just became another purely aggressive business minded there was a time when sometimes when I go to gogos or bars and not bar fine anyone having other girls following me after work to my hotel, in the morning I always handed them 1000-2000 sometimes more and they never even quote the price it was always up to you terak!
It maybe be enjoyable for some of you especially those coming from starved countries, but it s just average for me, Cambodia, Indonesia, Kenya is Superior to me or maybe I love the laid-back mentality of underdeveloped countries when it comes to P4P, I just saw these Japanese mongers blowing loads of money at these karaoke in silom insane sometimes 20 K a night, I think wealthy Asian tourists from (Japan, Singapore, Korea, China) literally ruined the place they overpay without negotiations, it s crazy to see some dudes blowing up 20 k at some of these gentle men's clubs and getting nothing in return!
Couldn't agree more. It's like prospecting for gold now; sometimes you find some decent pieces, but nothing like what it was before. I can say that my wallet is getting heavier now that I have no decent P4 P establishments on my radar, whereas before I had too many places to visit as a patron. However in this current situation, I'm just finding steady P4 P girls and turning it into a regular thing. This regular hookup is done preferably outside of the bar / shop, and I am not paying the high price and also gambling on quality anymore.
So basically, I think moving towards having quality regulars is so much better than rolling the dice constantly. At least in this quality deprived environment.Sadly, this is the case even in the most reliable spots these days. I used to almost never repeat with any girl, and if I did it was months after the fact. There was just too much available. GoGos, Thermae, Nana Disco, the street; all were amazing for my first seven or so years here. After that began its retreat I started the oily route. That was in earnest in '07. Again I was overwhelmed with choice. All good performers, it was often hard to pick. Now I wonder from shop to shop and most of the lookers I see fail the interview and are not wiling to provide the services I seek.
Regulars? Why yes, had a few, but sadly over the last year all have retired or headed out to greener pastures. Been looking for replacements; haven't found any. Requirements are pretty simple, no baby or no baby drag, full on PSE experience, enthusiastic, an ok face, proportional body, and a no holes barred approach to sex. I remember when Pond once told me she had been double teamed by a couple of Korean guys and loved it. My kind of gal and willing to share the info. The old guard is gone.
In fact, I had a recent experience where an oily gal wanted anal, said she wanted to come, and pulled out a vibrator. She also told me that it takes her a long time to come. Well, that long time was about 20 straight non-stop pumping minutes of intense anal with her grinding her clit with the vibrator. And I was spent after that. Truth be told that is a bit too much work when I am paying.You mind sharing who this was? You can PM if you don't want to post it here.
Dan,
I agree on being open minded. But lets consider what's happening here. First thing to realize you are paying for a service. Second thing to remember she is working. It's her job so it's not about her having a good time it's about you having a good time. It's about your orgasm (s) not hers. You shouldn't confuse the mind set of sexual workers with the mindset of customers. It's not a romantic encounter. Of course no denying it if she seems to be enjoying what's happening it feels better and if you feel her having a good time is more likely because she has no concerns about being paid by all means pay upfront. Its no big deal. Personally I think it's more important to agree on what level of service is going to be provided as to whether the session turns out well or not, for both parties.Perhaps you aren't the kind of guy who goes for the girlfriend experience (GFE), even when the hot lady is trying to create it for you. Your approach is very similar to what you hear about prostitution in western countries. It's ugly, and it's bad, especially from the woman's point of view. There is no love and no feeling. It's all about the drilling in an employer-employee kind of way.
You can certainly look at it this way, if you want. But I think this view is typical of anti-prostitution propaganda, rather than something to believe in and accept.
I think it's a lot more fun to fantasize about the lady and take her in a romantic way, than to treat it as service, work, and a business deal. And I'm not alone in this. According to a recent study that I quoted before, the top sex-fantasy for men to have is "having romantic feelings during sexual relationship". Which is the girlfriend experience (GFE) with P4P ladies.
GFE is the most common sex-fantasy for men to have (88.3% of men have this fantasy). But it's not something all men go for. Perhaps you belong that 11.7% of men who don't go for GFE.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2014/11/10/sexual-fantasies-least-popular-science-finally-weighs/
I think you create your own reality, when you choose to fulfil your sex-fantasies with P4P ladies. And you can make it as ugly or as nice as you want it to be.
You become what you do.
When you hug the lady and try to please her, then you become her romantic boyfriend in your feeling during your drilling.
But if you make it one way, rather than mutual, then you are alone, even while you nail her with your bone. She doesn't share your feelings with you.
I prefer the first one. Because it's like uniting with the lady in both body and mind. The second one is almost like masturbation. Because the lady doesn't share your feelings with you. It's only your pleasure and not hers.
Perhaps you aren't the kind of guy who goes for the girlfriend experience (GFE), even when the hot lady is trying to create it for you. Your approach is very similar to what you hear about prostitution in western countries. It's ugly, and it's bad, especially from the woman's point of view. There is no love and no feeling. It's all about the drilling in an employer-employee kind of way.
You can certainly look at it this way, if you want. But I think this view is typical of anti-prostitution propaganda, rather than something to believe in and accept.
I think it's a lot more fun to fantasize about the lady and take her in a romantic way, than to treat it as service, work, and a business deal. And I'm not alone in this. According to a recent study that I quoted before, the top sex-fantasy for men to have is "having romantic feelings during sexual relationship". Which is the girlfriend experience (GFE) with P4P ladies.
GFE is the most common sex-fantasy for men to have (88.3% of men have this fantasy). But it's not something all men go for. Perhaps you belong that 11.7% of men who don't go for GFE.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2014/11/10/sexual-fantasies-least-popular-science-finally-weighs/
I think you create your own reality, when you choose to fulfil your sex-fantasies with P4P ladies. And you can make it as ugly or as nice as you want it to be.
You become what you do.
When you hug the lady and try to please her, then you become her romantic boyfriend in your feeling during your drilling.
But if you make it one way, rather than mutual, then you are alone, even while you nail her with your bone. She doesn't share your feelings with you.
I prefer the first one. Because it's like uniting with the lady in both body and mind. The second one is almost like masturbation. Because the lady doesn't share your feelings with you. It's only your pleasure and not hers.Dan, the point being it is her job to create that environment for the customer, or whatever environment or experience that customer desires within the limits of what she is willing to do. GFE, PSE, quickie, etc. It is not up to the customer to create it for her.
Dan, the point being it is her job to create that environment for the customer, or whatever environment or experience that customer desires within the limits of what she is willing to do. GFE, PSE, quickie, etc. It is not up to the customer to create it for her.A relationship between two people is a mutual creation. Because it depends on what both people do.
The lady might try to give you the girlfriend experience. But how you behave towards her tells her what role to play with you, and she adjusts accordingly.
You can destroy the girlfriend experience by not trying to please the lady and make it mutual between you and her.
Franciscass
06-01-16, 13:51
Perhaps you aren't the kind of guy who goes for the girlfriend experience (GFE), even when the hot lady is trying to create it for you. Your approach is very similar to what you hear about prostitution in western countries. It's ugly, and it's bad, especially from the woman's point of view. There is no love and no feeling. It's all about the drilling in an employer-employee kind of way.
You can certainly look at it this way, if you want. But I think this view is typical of anti-prostitution propaganda, rather than something to believe in and accept.
I think it's a lot more fun to fantasize about the lady and take her in a romantic way, than to treat it as service, work, and a business deal. And I'm not alone in this. According to a recent study that I quoted before, the top sex-fantasy for men to have is "having romantic feelings during sexual relationship". Which is the girlfriend experience (GFE) with P4P ladies..Dan,
I envy your ability to imagine there is somehow a romance taking place when you are paying for sex. I wish I had your imagination and naivety. I really do but when you have lived here for over 15 years and spent a lot of money on entertainment you come to understand what's really going on. I love the GFE who wouldn't but I understand it is simply part of her skill set not an expression of her love for you. Some girls are friendlier and naturally more affectionate than others and girls do enjoy some customer's company both sexually and personally more than others but calling it love sorry don't get it. FYI I don't believe prostitution is ugly or bad far from it. I still have a great time with the girls and never tire of visiting them.
I am simply trying to point out Dan that whatever fantasized Alice in Wonderland view you may have of the P4P business there is a reality. Have you ever gone for a session with your favorite girl and she is busy upstairs. The mamasan doesn't tell you she is having a romantic love session with the latest of the three customers she has been with that day. What she tells you is "sorry Dan she working now come back later". The operative word is working.
I think Dan you know all this but you somehow can create an illusionary Mills and Boon fantasy when you are with your lady and have paid up front. Again all I can say is that I envy you.
Dan,
I envy your ability to imagine there is somehow a romance taking place when you are paying for sex. I wish I had your imagination and naivety. ...My point is that GFE doesn't work, unless you participate in it and play your role.
The lady can't do it by herself and play both roles to make it happen. She can only play her part. And it's up to you to play your part to make it happen.
And I don't think you need to envy me. Any guy can do this. All you need to do is show the lady some physical affection. Hug her, and get a lot of body-to-body contact going with her. Take her in the spoon position, rather than in doggy. And this in itself will get your feelings going for her. Because physical affection in itself produces feelings like this.
It's a mistake to think that feelings always have to come before hugging and kissing and sex. Quite often it's the other way around. The hugging and kissing and a lot of body-to-body contact makes you feel this way, even if you didn't feel this way before.
It's a case where you become what you do. This is always true, when it comes to feelings. If you do some cruel stuff, then you become cruel in your feelings. But if you do some loving deeds, then that's the kind of feelings you start to have. Doing is becoming, not in the physical sense, but in terms of your feelings.
And it's important to remember that guys aren't the only ones who have sex fantasies. Women have fantasies too. And according to that study that I've mentioned before, women fantasize about the GFE experience even more than men (92.2% for women and 88.3% for men).
Vast majority of women said, "I like to feel romantic emotions during a sexual relationship". Which means that your Thai lady is probably playing out her own fantasies with you, when she is giving you the GFE experience. All you need to do is participate in it and enjoy, instead of treating the lady's behavior with suspicion and distrust.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2014/11/10/sexual-fantasies-least-popular-science-finally-weighs/
... I had a recent experience where an oily gal wanted anal, said she wanted to come, and pulled out a vibrator. She also told me that it takes her a long time to come. Well, that long time was about 20 straight non-stop pumping minutes of intense anal with her grinding her clit with the vibrator. And I was spent after that. Truth be told that is a bit too much work when I am paying.
When I am with a GF then her coming first is paramount. My focus is on her, but with a P4P gal? I'm the one paying.I think it's a misconception that you need to pound the lady's ass all the time. This is only true, when you have nothing else to do.
A good way to last for a long time with the lady, without getting tired too much, is to take her ass in the spoon position and masturbate her pussy and clit with your well-lubricated hand, rather than have her do it herself with a vibrator.
Because this way you can just stop with your cock and stay inside her ass, while you focus on masturbating her pussy and clit with your hand. And then you can bang her nice ass some more, once you feel up to it. You can take turns at banging the lady's ass and masturbating her pussy and clit, instead of doing both at the same time. And you'll probably do a better job with the lady, when you focus on one thing at a time, rather than try to multitask with her.
Your hand doesn't really get tired, when you masturbate the lady's pussy and clit. It's a lot easier to do than cunnilingus. And it's very enjoyable for the lady too, if you do it well.
And I say that you should do this in the spoon position. Because this way you rest most of your weight on the bed, and you don't spend much energy fighting against gravity. You just roll back and forth with the lady, instead of trying to balance yourself or lifting yourself up and down on her.
It can be awkward for a guy to stop with his cock inside his lady's ass and wait for a while. Because the lady is liable to ask, "what's wrong with your dong?" But if you stop to masturbate the lady's pussy and clit with your hand, then this is extra pleasure for her. She isn't going to ask, "why did you stop with your cock?" She'll just enjoy it with you.
And of course, since you are the one who is paying, the lady probably won't argue with you, when you muscle in on her vibrator with your hand on her pussy and clit.
I think her vibrator might have been a problem. Because I can usually make the lady orgasm with my hand in a lot less than 20 minutes.
Here are some examples of guys taking a rest inside their lady's nice ass, while they masturbate her pussy:
http://s4d3.turboimg.net/sp/77300fbf3e722a509eff49052d72209a/Monique-Alexander-Anal-Pussy-Rubbing.gif
https://49.media.tumblr.com/92d77d14344d328682b4cea324e458b8/tumblr_nvkjulsCD71ugj7f5o1_500.gif
And of course, it doesn't have to be all or nothing kind of thing. You can move your cock inside the lady a little to keep it enjoyable for yourself, but focus mostly on masturbating her pussy and clit:
http://porngif6.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/tumblr_nf4zyvdY2U1semc6ko1_400.gif
http://joseluisduran6442.tumblr.com/post/145067195781
The lady might bring her legs close together, when you take her in the spoon position. But that's no problem for masturbating her pussy and clit. You just need to put your fingers inside her slit, when you masturbate it. Here are some examples of how to do it, when the lady has her legs close together:
https://i.xxgifs.com/galleries/20/big/busty-blonde-gets-her-asshole-fucked-deeply.gif
http://juicygif.com/albums/userpics/2014y/05/21/21/1/9370-sexy-pussy-rub.gif
http://juicygif.com/albums/userpics/2015y/04/28/0/1/small_0519-abella-danger-rubbing-staci-carrs-pussy.gif
I think it's a misconception that you need to pound the lady's ass all the time. This is only true, when you have nothing else to do.
A good way to last for a long time with the lady, without getting tired too much, is to take her ass in the spoon position and masturbate her pussy and clit with your well-lubricated hand, rather than have her do it herself with a vibrator.
Because this way you can just stop with your cock and stay inside her ass, while you focus on masturbating her pussy and clit with your hand. And then you can bang her nice ass some more, once you feel up to it. You can take turns at banging the lady's ass and masturbating her pussy and clit, instead of doing both at the same time. And you'll probably do a better job with the lady, when you focus on one thing at a time, rather than try to multitask with her.
Your hand doesn't really get tired, when you masturbate the lady's pussy and clit. It's a lot easier to do than cunnilingus. And it's very enjoyable for the lady too, if you do it well.
And I say that you should do this in the spoon position. Because this way you rest most of your weight on the bed, and you don't spend much energy fighting against gravity. You just roll back and forth with the lady, instead of trying to balance yourself or lifting yourself up and down on her.
It can be awkward for a guy to stop with his cock inside his lady's ass and wait for a while. Because the lady is liable to ask, "what's wrong with your dong?" But if you stop to masturbate the lady's pussy and clit with your hand, then this is extra pleasure for her. She isn't going to ask, "why did you stop with your cock?" She'll just enjoy it with you.
And of course, since you are the one who is paying, the lady probably won't argue with you, when you muscle in on her vibrator with your hand on her pussy and clit.
I think her vibrator might have been a problem. Because I can usually make the lady orgasm with my hand in a lot less than 20 minutes.
Here are some examples of guys taking a rest inside their lady's nice ass, while they masturbate her pussy:
http://s4d3.turboimg.net/sp/77300fbf3e722a509eff49052d72209a/Monique-Alexander-Anal-Pussy-Rubbing.gif
https://49.media.tumblr.com/92d77d14344d328682b4cea324e458b8/tumblr_nvkjulsCD71ugj7f5o1_500.gif
And of course, it doesn't have to be all or nothing kind of thing. You can move your cock inside the lady a little to keep it enjoyable for yourself, but focus mostly on masturbating her pussy and clit:
http://porngif6.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/tumblr_nf4zyvdY2U1semc6ko1_400.gif
http://joseluisduran6442.tumblr.com/post/145067195781
The lady might bring her legs close together, when you take her in the spoon position. But that's no problem for masturbating her pussy and clit. You just need to put your fingers inside her slit, when you masturbate it. Here are some examples of how to do it, when the lady has her legs close together:
https://i.xxgifs.com/galleries/20/big/busty-blonde-gets-her-asshole-fucked-deeply.gif
http://juicygif.com/albums/userpics/2014y/05/21/21/1/9370-sexy-pussy-rub.gif
http://juicygif.com/albums/userpics/2015y/04/28/0/1/small_0519-abella-danger-rubbing-staci-carrs-pussy.gifWasn't my idea bro. She asked me to do it and in a very specific position of her choice. Vibe was her idea as well.
Franciscass
06-02-16, 07:45
My point is that GFE doesn't work, unless you participate in it and play your role.
The lady can't do it by herself and play both roles to make it happen. She can only play her part. And it's up to you to play your part to make it happen.
And I don't think you need to envy me. Any guy can do this. All you need to do is show the lady some physical affection. Hug her, and get a lot of body-to-body contact going with her. Take her in the spoon position, rather than in doggy. And this in itself will get your feelings going for her. Because physical affection in itself produces feelings like this.
It's a mistake to think that feelings always have to come before hugging and kissing and sex. Quite often it's the other way around. The hugging and kissing and a lot of body-to-body contact makes you feel this way, even if you didn't feel this way before.Thanks Dan for your advice and techniques on how to create the GFE experience. It opens up a whole new world for me and I can't wait to try it out. After 15 plus years of mongering I never knew this was possible. Now instead of just having sex I will be having loving romantic encounters where both of us have multiple orgasms. I just have to remember to always pay up front.
Perhaps you aren't the kind of guy who goes for the girlfriend experience (GFE), even when the hot lady is trying to create it for you. Your approach is very similar to what you hear about prostitution in western countries. It's ugly, and it's bad, especially from the woman's point of view. There is no love and no feeling. It's all about the drilling in an employer-employee kind of way.Dan your posts are rather preachy and condescending. Sighting surveys and statistics to try and convince people is not going to sway anyone that you alone have found the one true higher consciousness way to engage woman.
Do you really believe we need the self-help guides? Didn't you start a separate thread recently to indulge you masturbatory fantasies?
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?3775-Tips-and-techniques-for-sexually-arousing-women-and-making-them-orgasm
SL.
Dan your posts are rather preachy and condescending. Sighting surveys and statistics to try and convince people is not going to sway anyone that you alone have found the one true higher consciousness way to engage woman.
Do you really believe we need the self-help guides? Didn't you start a separate thread recently to indulge you masturbatory fantasies?
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?3775-Tips-and-techniques-for-sexually-arousing-women-and-making-them-orgasm
SL.Preaching is a one-way talk, rather than a discussion between people who disagree. Your own response here indicates that this a discussion, rather than preaching.
If I'm preaching, then so is everybody else here, including you.
I think it's important to find good evidence for your opinions and views. Because without good evidence, there is no way to know what's true or not true.
If you refuse to look at the evidence, then you basically lose your argument in any kind of disagreement. Because this shows that you don't care about the truth. It undermines your credibility in what you have to say.
Thanks Dan for your advice and techniques on how to create the GFE experience. It opens up a whole new world for me and I can't wait to try it out. After 15 plus years of mongering I never knew this was possible. Now instead of just having sex I will be having loving romantic encounters where both of us have multiple orgasms. I just have to remember to always pay up front.Thankfully, I did not see an entry for "I fantasize about turning the classic Pay After P4 P arrangement that has worked most places around the world for centuries into a Pay Upfront arrangement on the mistaken belief that doing so would in any way improve the service level overall" in that survey. Do you suppose it not being there, not being cited by so much as 0.0001% of the respondents, will change a certain person's mind about supporting the idea?
Thanks Dan for your advice and techniques on how to create the GFE experience. It opens up a whole new world for me and I can't wait to try it out. After 15 plus years of mongering I never knew this was possible. Now instead of just having sex I will be having loving romantic encounters where both of us have multiple orgasms. I just have to remember to always pay up front.I get the impression that GFE isn't your thing. Which is a little hard for me to understand. Because I always thought it was a turn-off for guys, when the lady refused to hug and kiss with them.
I think GFE is a great way to support P4P women in what they do. Because when you make it pleasant for the lady and you are nice to her, then this shows to women in general that this isn't a bad thing to do.
Franciscass
06-02-16, 18:40
Thankfully, I did not see an entry for "I fantasize about turning the classic Pay After P4 P arrangement that has worked most places around the world for centuries into a Pay Upfront arrangement on the mistaken belief that doing so would in any way improve the service level overall" in that survey. Do you suppose it not being there, not being cited by so much as 0.0001% of the respondents, will change a certain person's mind about supporting the idea?I am sorry but I have no idea what you were trying to say there. But following through on what I though you had being conversing about I tried your technique earlier to day. I paid up front started with the spoon position rather than the doggy, softly massaged her clit with a well lubricated hand in a counterclockwise motion while simultaneously fucking her using intermittent slow then fast strokes, part in then all the way in, nibbled on her ear while telling her how her divine body was driving me wild (72% of women in a recent survey said they loved hearing this 68% of the time). It was beautiful, I was beginning to feel the love, romance was in the air. Then she turned around and asked me "why you not finish yet". Dan can you please tell where the fuck I went wrong.
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I paid up front started with the spoon position rather than the doggy, softly massaged her clit with a well lubricated hand in a counterclockwise motion while simultaneously fucking her using intermittent slow then fast strokes, part in then all the way in, nibbled on her ear while telling her how her divine body was driving me wild (72% of women in a recent survey said they loved hearing this 68% of the time). It was beautiful, I was beginning to feel the love, romance was in the air. Then she turned around and asked me "why you not finish yet". Dan can you please tell where the fuck I went wrong.I think it was you "telling her how her divine body was" that turned her off.
Because talking during sex can be distracting for the other person. Instead of just enjoying the feelings, you need to think about and understand the words. Which can be especially distracting for the lady, when English isn't her first language.
I assume that you are talking about the same survey that I provided a link for earlier. Because you didn't give any new link for any other survey. And you must've misread it. Because I went back to look at this survey, and there was nothing at all about talking there, let alone 72% of women liking it. Check it out for yourself at the link below:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2014/11/10/sexual-fantasies-least-popular-science-finally-weighs/
This is why it's so important to support your views with original sources of your information. You can easily make a mistake and say something that's not true. Which can mislead a lot of people.
When you provide a link to the source of your information, then people can check it out for themselves, instead of just taking your word for it.
I am sorry but I have no idea what you were trying to say there. But following through on what I though you had being conversing about I tried your technique earlier to day. I paid up front started with the spoon position rather than the doggy, softly massaged her clit with a well lubricated hand in a counterclockwise motion while simultaneously fucking her using intermittent slow then fast strokes, part in then all the way in, nibbled on her ear while telling her how her divine body was driving me wild (72% of women in a recent survey said they loved hearing this 68% of the time). It was beautiful, I was beginning to feel the love, romance was in the air. Then she turned around and asked me "why you not finish yet". Dan can you please tell where the fuck I went wrong.Maybe your hand wasn't well lubricated enough?
I am sorry but I have no idea what you were trying to say there. But following through on what I though you had being conversing about I tried your technique earlier to day. I paid up front started with the spoon position rather than the doggy, softly massaged her clit with a well lubricated hand in a counterclockwise motion while simultaneously fucking her using intermittent slow then fast strokes, part in then all the way in, nibbled on her ear while telling her how her divine body was driving me wild (72% of women in a recent survey said they loved hearing this 68% of the time). It was beautiful, I was beginning to feel the love, romance was in the air. Then she turned around and asked me "why you not finish yet". Dan can you please tell where the fuck I went wrong.I have more data:
18% of ISG members have ass-fucked while spooning and clit rubbing.
93% of those ISG members lasted less than 1 minute.
64% of ISG readers appreciate Dan7373's earnest attempts to educate us on proper technique.
97% of ISG readers just love Franciscass' sarcastic humor.
Well done sir, and thanks. It brought a wry smile to this old face of mine.
Wolvenvacht
06-03-16, 08:28
I have more data:
18% of ISG members have ass-fucked while spooning and clit rubbing.
93% of those ISG members lasted less than 1 minute.
64% of ISG readers appreciate Dan7373's earnest attempts to educate us on proper technique.
97% of ISG readers just love Franciscass' sarcastic humor.
Well done sir, and thanks. It brought a wry smile to this old face of mine.And 68% of all statistics are made up on the spot!
And 68% of all statistics are made up on the spot!Unless they are found on the internet; in which case they are totally true!
SL.
I am sorry but I have no idea what you were trying to say there. But following through on what I though you had being conversing about I tried your technique earlier to day. I paid up front
SNIPNot to add more unnecessary complexity to this issue than already exists, but it appears you quoted my post but are replying to Dan7373 here, no? Or did I miss a post or three between what you quoted of mine and your reply to Dan that would explain everything? Hehe.
Franciscass
06-03-16, 11:21
Not to add more unnecessary complexity to this issue than already exists, but it appears you quoted my post but are replying to Dan7373 here, no? Or did I miss a post or three between what you quoted of mine and your reply to Dan that would explain everything? Hehe.Oops your right. Myself and Dan had been conversing so much on the P4P scene I thought it was his reply. Apologies for confusion. Happens 3% of the time.
Oops your right. Myself and Dan had been conversing so much on the P4P scene I thought it was his reply. Apologies for confusion. Happens 3% of the time.I knew that's what happened and had originally decided to let it go. Then I found myself unable to rest over the fear that someone somewhere might assume I was ever in favor of Pay Upfront. LOL.
A couple of times lately I have found myself juggling so many Line replies and messages at the same time that I sent "Meet me at 19:00" confirmations to the wrong girl I had been using a "cannot meet, sick tonight" excuse with and had to tap dance like Gene Kelly on acid to back out of it.
Francesco24
06-05-16, 07:17
Some days ago I had a 2 hour sessions with Linly at Mango massage shop. Her service is quite good, passionate deep kiss and sex, she got wet naturally, good rimming, blow job was too strong at first but she adapted and was good at the end. She doesn't provide A+. Her personality is fun and willing to lead a bit of chatting (if the other party is not much of a talker like me).
Her looks are average: Face 6 (a bit hard when not smiling. But she smiles often), Body 6.5 (she is kind of slim but have kind of big legs). Keep in mind I wouldn't touch with a pole many of the fatter girls who can be seen at Mango / Bongot / Cherry / Candy websites. So maybe for many other mongers she may be look better than to me.
If only I could find a similar simple service (just passionate sex / kissing) as she provided with a cute 20 years old spinner. And sadly I am not willing to pay 4 k to try my luck in a GoGo (I may pay 4 k if I was sure of the service. But really can't afford it if the service is less than perfect T_T).
If only I could find a similar simple service (just passionate sex / kissing) as she provided with a cute 20 years old spinner. And sadly I am not willing to pay 4 k to try my luck in a GoGo (I may pay 4 k if I was sure of the service. But really can't afford it if the service is less than perfect T_T).Exactly! It think we all feel that way. It just does not exist here. The better looking gals just provide less. Only "bad girls" do those types of things. Far be it for most Thai chicks to really enjoy getting down and dirty. That's for the commoners.
Exactly! It think we all feel that way. It just does not exist here. The better looking gals just provide less. Only "bad girls" do those types of things. Far be it for most Thai chicks to really enjoy getting down and dirty. That's for the commoners.I'd say that the lady's enjoyment depends a lot on how good you are in bed with her. And by being good in bed, I mean how good you are stimulating her clitoris during your time with her. Because that's where the majority of the woman's sexual pleasure comes from.
A lot of guys have trouble understanding this perhaps because they don't fully understand how anatomical differences between men and women make sexual experience different for them.
For men, having sexual intercourse is virtually the same as having pleasure. Because men automatically get plenty of stimulation for their most pleasurable zone, which is the glans of the penis.
But for women, there is not such strong correlation between having sexual intercourse and feeling sexual pleasure. Because intercourse usually doesn't stimulate much the woman's most pleasurable zone, which is her clitoris. The lady needs additional stimulation for her clitoris to enjoy it as much as the guy. And a lot of guys are so ignorant about this that they don't even try to do it, let alone be good at it.
I'd say that the lady's enjoyment depends a lot on how good you are in bed with her. And by being good in bed, I mean how good you are stimulating her clitoris during your time with her. Because that's where the majority of the woman's sexual pleasure comes from.
A lot of guys have trouble understanding this perhaps because they don't fully understand how anatomical differences between men and women make sexual experience different for them.
For men, having sexual intercourse is virtually the same as having pleasure. Because men automatically get plenty of stimulation for their most pleasurable zone, which is the glans of the penis.
But for women, there is not such strong correlation between having sexual intercourse and feeling sexual pleasure. Because intercourse usually doesn't stimulate much the woman's most pleasurable zone, which is her clitoris. The lady needs additional stimulation for her clitoris to enjoy it as much as the guy. And a lot of guys are so ignorant about this that they don't even try to do it, let alone be good at it.Dan, sometimes you are a bit condescending to those of us on this board. I would imagine the majority of dudes on here have enough experience with women to know our way around their bodies. What I am speaking to is a cultural phenomenon. It has absolutely nothing to do with the man.
Dan, sometimes you are a bit condescending to those of us on this board. I would imagine the majority of dudes on here have enough experience with women to know our way around their bodies. What I am speaking to is a cultural phenomenon. It has absolutely nothing to do with the man.The bigger question is why does this guy continue to troll us? His posts have NOTHING to do with the thread topic: Bangkok Massage Parlors. Except Tulip and ANNIES. If I was new to this board and picked up this thread I would think it was populated by a bunch of fruit loops, and lacking in useful intel.
I visited Sensual Massage Bangkok yesterday and got the prostate massage + BJ package for 1200 baht. OK price and the service was decent, it was just a bit of a hike out to Undom from lower Suk: http://www.sensualmassagebangkok.com/.
SL.
Hi monger friends,
Can I request all of you to share your experiences with girls in various MPs like Snow White, Cherry Mango etc. Etc.
It would be lovely to know about the current scenario in Bangkok.
I am planning to visit next month for 5 days.
Thanks in advance dudes.
Got news from my Nataree super VIP friend, allegedly UK NGO group led authority raided the parlour this afternoon. Many foreign workers and many minors were caught.
I guess the best and favorite parlour for many of us in BKK will be gone for a while, until things have calm down and more dividends have been paid out. I guess I will miss it to some extend.
Got news from my Nataree super VIP friend, allegedly UK NGO group led authority raided the parlour this afternoon. Many foreign workers and many minors were caught.
I guess the best and favorite parlour for many of us in BKK will be gone for a while, until things have calm down and more dividends have been paid out. I guess I will miss it to some extend.I doubt very much any foreign NGO would be allowed to lead a raid in junta-controlled Thailand.
Got news from my Nataree super VIP friend, allegedly UK NGO group led authority raided the parlour this afternoon. Many foreign workers and many minors were caught.Yup; was reported in the Bangkok Post this morning. No article just a picture showing some of the ladies with the caption / text:
Massage parlour cover-up
A total of 115 Thai and foreign women working at Nataree Massage, a massage parlour on Ratchadaphisek Road are detained during a raid by Interior Ministry officials. Some were under 18 years old.
SL.
MichaelSamuel
06-08-16, 03:47
Stickboy twitter had photos of the books. Some serious baht moving through there.
Yup; was reported in the Bangkok Post this morning. No article just a picture showing some of the ladies with the caption / text:
Massage parlour cover-up
A total of 115 Thai and foreign women working at Nataree Massage, a massage parlour on Ratchadaphisek Road are detained during a raid by Interior Ministry officials. Some were under 18 years old.
SL.
Yup; was reported in the Bangkok Post this morning. No article just a picture showing some of the ladies with the caption / text:
Massage parlour cover-up
A total of 115 Thai and foreign women working at Nataree Massage, a massage parlour on Ratchadaphisek Road ...SL.The best bit is the observation than " . The raid apparently followed three months of preparations and evidence gathering with officers posing as customers. " The officers were almost certainly arguing for more time, to gather more evidence. Three MONTHS?
The story is the the raid followed complaints by NVADER, a New Zealand NGO. It's likely 'loose talk' from posters on this and other forums led to the complaint. There have been a few comments about 'indentured' and [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) girls on this forum, but only 3 out 115 turned out to be [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) and they were probably nearly 18. Any time you talk about these things on this forum is just going to give these NGOs ammunition. I fear this is the beginning of the end of the soapie scene in Bangkok.
Well, that sucks that Nataree is closed. So what happened to the customers that were there during the raid? Anyone know? Did they get in trouble as well? And what happens to the girls? Will they get jail time or just a fine?
The NGO thing now sounds like an open excuse to raid this place, at least it looks good on the press. According to some papasans from other parlors, the Nataree business mode has been too flamboyant, and they pissed off lots of big bosses in the same field, and lots big shots along that food chain. A lot of jealousy from competitors as well. Also another point worth mentioned is that the shareholder of Nataree may not belong to the same camp as the establishment. All this sound too familiar again, probably another internal conflict.
Well, that sucks that Nataree is closed. So what happened to the customers that were there during the raid? Anyone know? Did they get in trouble as well? And what happens to the girls? Will they get jail time or just a fine?According to a papasan there, there were lots of customers upstairs in the rooms at that time, they were told to dress up and leave by shouting each floor"police, customer go home" and ladies were taken downstairs.
The NGO thing now sounds like an open excuse to raid this place, at least it looks good on the press. According to some papasans from other parlors, the Nataree business mode has been too flamboyant, and they pissed off lots of big bosses in the same field, and lots big shots along that food chain. A lot of jealousy from competitors as well. Also another point worth mentioned is that the shareholder of Nataree may not belong to the same camp as the establishment. All this sound too familiar again, probably another internal conflict.That's all probably true. New Zealand Christian NGOs have absolutely no influence on the Thai government, but it helps the government gain 'brownie points' in the annual US 'human trade' report. Meanwhile secret hotels full of 'too young' girls and tiger meat will remain open for the Chinese package tourists.
According to reports Nataree had over 400 girls on its books and 90% of them are Thai nationals over the age of 18, so that's a lot of girls who will be looking for work. Where will they go? Isn't Alaina owned by the same people?
That's all probably true. New Zealand Christian NGOs have absolutely no influence on the Thai government, but it helps the government gain 'brownie points' in the annual US 'human trade' report. Meanwhile secret hotels full of 'too young' girls and tiger meat will remain open for the Chinese package tourists.They probably just used some NGO as a scape goat for the raids. We all know that the raids were done because some local leaders in that area are feuding. So they just blamed the raid on an NGO to hide the fact that it was purely done for local-political purposes regarding business development.
According to a papasan there, there were lots of customers upstairs in the rooms at that time, they were told to dress up and leave by shouting each floor"police, customer go home" and ladies were taken downstairs.Ah, it's good that the customers didn't get in trouble. And I assume the papasans and the girls will get off free as well? I actually became "friends" with some of the girls and papasans there. Hoping they are ok. Am wondering if I should contact them and see how they are doing, but don't want to get into trouble myself for contacting them!
Christian G
06-08-16, 10:50
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3630826/Bangkok-brothel-raid-reveals-[CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902)-sex-workers-cop-racket.html
Stickboy twitter had photos of the books. Some serious baht moving through there.Yes; rather lengthly reports on TV showing the authorities combing though books of records. Plus the prerequisite leg shots of the ladies sitting around and hiding their faces. Lots of press on this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB4Fxnyd2TE
SL.
They probably just used some NGO as a scape goat for the raids. We all know that the raids were done because some local leaders in that area are feuding. So they just blamed the raid on an NGO to hide the fact that it was purely done for local-political purposes regarding business development.I have an alternate theory: some of the police who "investigated" the parlor got pissed off at the place because the girls there insisted on giving them CBJs. I hope the other soapies in the area get the message!
Gannaton48
06-08-16, 14:01
I have an alternate theory: some of the police who "investigated" the parlor got pissed off at the place because the girls there insisted on giving them CBJs. I hope the other soapies in the area get the message!Excellent reply!! This politic of CBJ at Nataree is just non-sense. Who thinks I will fly 10-14 hours from Europe to see really beautiful girls for getting CBJ? Especially in BKK where some thousands other swill give it even without asking and frequently even CIM.
Ralph Kramden
06-08-16, 14:41
I doubt very much any foreign NGO would be allowed to lead a raid in junta-controlled Thailand.I agree 100% *****man. More than likely they didn't have enough cash this month to make the usual payoffs and somebody high up got pissed.
Ralph Kramden
06-08-16, 14:42
I have an alternate theory: some of the police who "investigated" the parlor got pissed off at the place because the girls there insisted on giving them CBJs. I hope the other soapies in the area get the message!Best theory #2.
I have an alternate theory: some of the police who "investigated" the parlor got pissed off at the place because the girls there insisted on giving them CBJs. I hope the other soapies in the area get the message!Spot on! And a very valid reason for a closure.
MichaelSamuel
06-09-16, 04:44
Had a total of 8 days in BKK this time around due to the way scheduling worked out. 2 days with a new girl from January and 4 with my regular that I have known for years now. That left 2 days of "free" time. Started with checking out MITU on a Friday night. Surprisingly not that many girls available and even fewer once he noted who wasn't already occupied. But I wanted to try the place out so went with the best available who was a gold class girl. Would say in person she was a 7/10 so not bad, but no stunner. Rooms are bit better than average and her skills were decent, again 7/10. Pretty sure it was Ami from the website. Took the 90 min hoping for two rounds which she certainly tried, but Michael jr wasn't co-operating, and got the VIP room upgrade for free, but never used the bed only the tub and inflatable mattress. The nuru part and body massage were some of the best I have experienced. She generally seemed to want to please which was nice and the service was better than the average MP. Is it worth the extra baht? Honestly I can't say. I left satisfied, but not sure if I would repeat. Still it's a bit different than the norm and worth checking out. To be continued in general section.
Just saw this on the Bangkok Post website: http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1005341/cops-linked-to-brothel-with-121-prostitutes..
This Nation Article gives additional details about who received the payoffs, http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Police-involved-in-massage-parlour-30287694.html.
Although it is not easy to make predictions about where this is going to lead, this doesn't look like a mere shake-down where the business will re-open once the right people are paid. I suspect there now must be some chaos at the local police station, which I would think also has jurisdiction over many other soapies in that area, soapies that almost undoubtedly similarly do not operate "clean" insofar as their "governmental or police relationships" are concerned.
It is also noteworthy the raid is getting coverage outside of Thailand, e.g., in Singapore's Strait Times. Here is that article, which includes the patently false statement ninety percent of the girls working at Nataree were from Myanmar. http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/bangkok-brothel-raid-reveals-[CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902)-sex-workers-cop-racket
And compounding the appearances problem, the raid has been reported in the UK media, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3630826/Bangkok-brothel-raid-reveals-[CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902)-sex-workers-cop-racket.html
I was about to try a soapy for the first time and I had managed to select Nataree after countless hours of research. Well, we know that Nataree won't be happening anytime soon.
Any thoughts about whether we should stay away from the soapies for awhile? Is this an isolated incident and typical of the way events transpire in Bangkok. Or is this the first domino to drop with several other soapies and / or massage parlors in line to get hit next.
Just saw this on the Bangkok Post website: http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1005341/cops-linked-to-brothel-with-121-prostitutes..
This Nation Article gives additional details about who received the payoffs, http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Police-involved-in-massage-parlour-30287694.html.
Although it is not easy to make predictions about where this is going to lead, this doesn't look like a mere shake-down where the business will re-open once the right people are paid. I suspect there now must be some chaos at the local police station, which I would think also has jurisdiction over many other soapies in that area, soapies that almost undoubtedly similarly do not operate "clean" insofar as their "governmental or police relationships" are concerned.
It is also noteworthy the raid is getting coverage outside of Thailand, e.g., in Singapore's Strait Times. Here is that article, which includes the patently false statement ninety percent of the girls working at Nataree were from Myanmar. http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/bangkok-brothel-raid-reveals-[CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902)-sex-workers-cop-racket
And compounding the appearances problem, the raid has been reported in the UK media, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3630826/Bangkok-brothel-raid-reveals-[CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902)-sex-workers-cop-racket.htmlBeen saying for a time that eventually we will see big changes in the P4 P scene in Thailand. Who knows if this is the start or just a single incident. But, at some point the Rachada soapies will be a thing of the past. Maybe not this year, but in less than a decade for sure.
Simon Wagstaff
06-09-16, 13:56
I will be coming to Bangkok next month for just a couple of days. Arrive on a Sunday at 9:00 pm. I am looking for a recommendation for a nice soapy or nuhru massage that would be available later on a Sunday evening? I looked into Mitu but their reception desk closes at 10:00 pm so no way will I be able to make it there in time.
Thanking in advance.
Been saying for a time that eventually we will see big changes in the P4 P scene in Thailand. Who knows if this is the start or just a single incident. But, at some point the Rachada soapies will be a thing of the past. Maybe not this year, but in less than a decade for sure.I doubt it as the owners of these soapies are too well connected. It seems to be part of a wider campaign to take out any 'influential figures' connected with the last government. Influential figures close to the current elite are as untouchable as ever.
Whether more ratchada soapies will be shut down or not I don't know. What I do know is that the quality for them has been so bad that their shutdown wouldn't impact me directly, as I do not go to them. I even used to live on Ractchada and wouldn't go to them because of how mechanical and unskilled the service is there.
I was about to try a soapy for the first time and I had managed to select Nataree after countless hours of research. Well, we know that Nataree won't be happening anytime soon.
Any thoughts about whether we should stay away from the soapies for awhile? Is this an isolated incident and typical of the way events transpire in Bangkok. Or is this the first domino to drop with several other soapies and / or massage parlors in line to get hit next.Yours is not an easy question to answer. Only those on the inside really have any idea whether further raids are planned, and even the local police seem to have been taken completely off-guard by the Nataree raid.
There have been sporadic raids and temporary shutdowns of P4 P places in Bangkok for quite some time. Usually, the places open back up quickly, and the customers who might be on premises at the time of the raid are only slightly inconvenienced. But somehow the Nataree raid feels different. Whether it portends a wider crackdown, or simply represents just a more serious crackdown against one business is anyone's guess. Given I tend to avoid the soapies owing to service issues, it doesn't take much to convince me to avoid them altogether for awhile. But if they were my main cup of tea, I am not sure what I would do. I suspect I might proceed cautiously for at least a couple of weeks to see whether there is any further trouble at any of the soapies.
But as above, it is not an easy question, and I don't think anyone really can provide a reliable answer.
It seems to be part of a wider campaign to take out any 'influential figures' connected with the last government.This theory was discussed a while back when the crackdowns began, but I'm beginning to think it could be about something much bigger.
Is the owner of nataree connected with the old government? How about the owners of Rainbow group in Nana? How about the owners of the recent Pattaya massage parlour crackdowns? And are these owners actually being taken out, or just slapped on the wrist for their infractions?
Eric Swiss
06-11-16, 06:41
Any thoughts about whether we should stay away from the soapies for awhile?From the reports I've seen, the male customers seem to have been untouched. Sure, they paid upfront and got interrupted before ejaculating, but that's a small price to pay.
It's the reverse of France where they are decriminalizing the pimps and criminalizing the customers. Bastards.
By the way, I laughed out loud when The Nation had the gall to say the police had "rescued" 121 girls from Nataree. I've been there a few times, and these girls certainly did not want to be rescued from a life of prostitution. They wanted to be rescued from a life of poverty without the latest iPhone, and I did my best to "rescue" them by making voluntary contributions to their bank account in exchange for companionship and small favors that involved friction.
Eric Swiss
06-11-16, 06:43
I will be coming to Bangkok next month for just a couple of days. Arrive on a Sunday at 9:00 pm. I am looking for a recommendation for a nice soapy or nuhru massage that would be available later on a Sunday evening? I looked into Mitu but their reception desk closes at 10:00 pm so no way will I be able to make it there in time.
Thanking in advance.Addict has a Nuru option and they close at midnight. Call in advance to book the Jacuzzi room.
GautamGulati
06-11-16, 07:44
Addict has a Nuru option and they close at midnight. Call in advance to book the Jacuzzi room.Got good feedback for club cabana and Poseidon.
Based on a report from Eric Swiss a couple of months back I had a session with Tan at Orient Massage this afternoon. Wow, his report was spot on. This lady loves to fuck! She start the out with an above average massage during which she was relatively quiet, but after the flip she turned into a tigress. She got me hard with her hands and began an awesome BBBJ. She positioned herself so that her but was in my face, inviting either fingering or DATY. I start her out with the former, as the angle was quite right for DATY and I'm not into DATO. She began to squirm and upped the pace of the BBBJ. I didn't want to CIM so I flipped her over on her back and went to town with my tongue on her partially shaved pussy. She was moaning and squirming and arched her back to give me better access to her clit. When I told her it was time for the condom she suit the me up and climbed on in ACG. She bounced for a bit and I then stood up and lift the her for standing ride. She was squealing and moaning, with her arms around my neck as I bounced her up and down for a minute or so. Then I lowered her down on the matress for standing mish, with her legs on my shoulders. She really went wild at this point, fingering her clit with one hand and squeezing her nipple with the other. I took a break and took over the fingering for her until she came with a squeal. Then I lay her on her back and pounded her in mish until I came. I wanted to rest for a couple of minutes to recover, but she would have none of that. After cleaning me up, she positioned herself again with her ass in my face. This time I inserted a finger in her ass and played with her clit while she used her mouth and hands to get me hard again. ACG again but I couldn't quite finish as a second pip is no certainty at my age.
From the reports I've seen, the male customers seem to have been untouched. Sure, they paid upfront and got interrupted before ejaculating, but that's a small price to pay.
It's the reverse of France where they are decriminalizing the pimps and criminalizing the customers. Bastards.
By the way, I laughed out loud when The Nation had the gall to say the police had "rescued" 121 girls from Nataree. I've been there a few times, and these girls certainly did not want to be rescued from a life of prostitution. They wanted to be rescued from a life of poverty without the latest iPhone, and I did my best to "rescue" them by making voluntary contributions to their bank account in exchange for companionship and small favors that involved friction.Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were there against their will, if not better judgement and bad parents sending them there to work at the age of 16,17,etc. I and a few other reports have indicated that the papasans man handle the women there. I saw one wring one of the girls necks with his hand, while the other girls nearby looked scared / concerned. Given how many times I've seen that, and also occasionally how the papasan would try to show me girls who were "virgins" for 10,000 baht (girls who were kept in a different room, and were probably < 18), I'm starting to think some of those girls weren't there fully of their own will.
The raid on nataree is started to add up. Prior to this raid, If I had to name a shady soapy, one that was more shady than usual, I would have named Nataree based on what I saw and what others reported on.
Member #4591
06-11-16, 15:14
Next! Come on guys. Move on already. It was bound to happen someday. They were parading under aged girls and foreign workers out in the open with no regard for the law for years. Finally, they pissed off the wrong people at the wrong time. I have been to many places, especially for the locals that have the same as Nateree, but the difference is, its not a blatant in your face ignorance for the law. Even if you are paying off the cops, you can keep it a secret from everyone forever. Anyways, there are plenty of other establishments to try. Let's put this discussion to bead and move on. Another place like this will pop up in its place. Frankly, who cares.
Ralph Kramden
06-11-16, 15:35
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were there against their will, if not better judgement and bad parents sending them there to work at the age of 16,17,etc. I and a few other reports have indicated that the papasans man handle the women there. I saw one wring one of the girls necks with his hand, while the other girls nearby looked scared / concerned. Given how many times I've seen that, and also occasionally how the papasan would try to show me girls who were "virgins" for 10,000 baht (girls who were kept in a different room, and were probably < 18), I'm starting to think some of those girls weren't there fully of their own will.
The raid on nataree is started to add up. Prior to this raid, If I had to name a shady soapy, one that was more shady than usual, I would have named Nataree based on what I saw and what others reported on.I never saw any neck wringing but was invited into the private room on more than one occasion, saw the same thing and didn't care for it. I agree, they went too far for too long and paid the price. About 2-3 years ago the same thing happened to Hi-Class, and they are now back in business. Nataree will likely be back but perhaps it won't be the same.
Front page Bangkok Post today w / big photo. Copa Cabana on Ratchadaphisek Soi 17 raided Friday night. No under aged 18 and no illegal migrants found.
SL.
MichaelSamuel
06-12-16, 02:51
Well put. The way they operated was by far more blatant that any of the other shops I ever visited. Combine that with whatever the business pratice was with the "junkets" of mini buses of asian tourists that would come in made it ripe for the picking.
FYI for anyone headed out to huai khwang, talking with a girl from lord many of the girls are taking some time off so even if the places around are open they may be light staffed. With the Friday night raids as well may be wise to stick to the suk.
http://news.thaivisa.com/thailand/more-massage-parlours-raided-in-bangkok-as-crackdown-continues/145129/
Next! Come on guys. Move on already. It was bound to happen someday. They were parading under aged girls and foreign workers out in the open with no regard for the law for years. Finally, they pissed off the wrong people at the wrong time. I have been to many places, especially for the locals that have the same as Nateree, but the difference is, its not a blatant in your face ignorance for the law. Even if you are paying off the cops, you can keep it a secret from everyone forever. Anyways, there are plenty of other establishments to try. Let's put this discussion to bead and move on. Another place like this will pop up in its place. Frankly, who cares.
Based on a report from Eric Swiss a couple of months back I had a session with Tan at Orient Massage this afternoon. Wow, his report was spot on. This lady loves to fuck! She start the out with an above average massage during which she was relatively quiet, but after the flip she turned into a tigress. She got me hard with her hands and began an awesome BBBJ. She positioned herself so that her but was in my face, inviting either fingering or DATY. I start her out with the former, as the angle was quite right for DATY and I'm not into DATO. She began to squirm and upped the pace of the BBBJ. I didn't want to CIM so I flipped her over on her back and went to town with my tongue on her partially shaved pussy. She was moaning and squirming and arched her back to give me better access to her clit. When I told her it was time for the condom she suit the me up and climbed on in ACG. She bounced for a bit and I then stood up and lift the her for standing ride. She was squealing and moaning, with her arms around my neck as I bounced her up and down for a minute or so. Then I lowered her down on the matress for standing mish, with her legs on my shoulders. She really went wild at this point, fingering her clit with one hand and squeezing her nipple with the other. I took a break and took over the fingering for her until she came with a squeal. Then I lay her on her back and pounded her in mish until I came. I wanted to rest for a couple of minutes to recover, but she would have none of that. After cleaning me up, she positioned herself again with her ass in my face. This time I inserted a finger in her ass and played with her clit while she used her mouth and hands to get me hard again. ACG again but I couldn't quite finish as a second pip is no certainty at my age.A few months ago I also tried Orient Massage, assuming we are talking about the oily massage place kitty corner from Mango. Typically, I don't frequent the "off-brand" oilies (meaning those that don't get written up much and with no real reputation on boards such as this one) but what convinced me was there was an attractive girl standing outside the place, I started up a conversation, and I asked her whether I could have sex with her two times during the session. Her response "you can have sex as many times as you want. " Sold!
The session was pretty good; not up to Tulip PSE standards, but worth repeating (although it was towards the end of my stay in Bangkok so I didn't return to see her). Unfortunately, I don't remember her name at this point.
Actually, I was with a friend and was in the process of returning to Addict (he saw a girl in the lineup there earlier he wanted to try) when we were waylaid by the girl I ended up with at Orient. Once my friend saw the line-up (upstairs) he ended up picking a girl from the line-up at Orient as well, and as far as I remember he had no complaints.
The one thing I should add though is my girl said the place mainly caters to Asians, e. G. , Japanese and Koreans, so I, as a white guy, wonder whether I might get some resistance from some of the other girls there should I return. But there was none at all from the girl I saw on my one visit.
A few months ago I also tried Orient Massage, assuming we are talking about the oily massage place kitty corner from Mango. Typically, I don't frequent the "off-brand" oilies (meaning those that don't get written up much and with no real reputation on boards such as this one) but what convinced me was there was an attractive girl standing outside the place, I started up a conversation, and I asked her whether I could have sex with her two times during the session. Her response "you can have sex as many times as you want. " Sold!
The session was pretty good; not up to Tulip PSE standards, but worth repeating (although it was towards the end of my stay in Bangkok so I didn't return to see her). Unfortunately, I don't remember her name at this point..I've been there once about 2 years ago. At that time I had no experience with the oilies. I walked in front of that place and saw her eating her noodles in front of the shop, she had a nice face with an inviting smile, wearing one of those Japanese student uniform. I went upstairs and the line up was about 15-20 girls, but none was really good looking so I ended choosing the one from downstairs with the VIP room for 2600. Her name was Mook, around 30 years old and skinny. The VIP room was just so so, the bath took a lot of time before being filled and the service was just shit. CBJ because she has to be careful for her heath, no 2nd round because the customer has to pay 1000 more. Even after I finished very quickly, even the massage was crap. No need to say that I never considered going back there, and even now after reading some of the latest (good) reports on that place, I still don't want to go there.
Getting to some reports now. I've been to Cherry in the past, usually good experiences, this one was not. I had "First" recently.
Looked attractive from the outside, with clothes off it became a mess, and the worst weirdest boobs I've seen yet. Small, granny, and weird boobs. Body was meh. She was also clearly new and not really too into it or anything, and not any good at anything anyways. Massage went on way too long, action was poor on all aspects, even A+ (she offered) was poor. So without going more just say I certainly would not repeat and would tell others to stay away as well.
Overall, Cherry the place and girls looked more run down and lower quality than the past.
On the same street was All Star, which I had been a popular place before, the ladies in front of it looked very good this time, and I'm disappointing I didn't go there instead.
My first time at Addict massage. The place is quite nice compared to many other shops, and most of the girls looked good, but very heavy on the makeup and the outfits they wear can be tough to distinguish much underneath, but they all at least looked good.
Choose one, it ended up being "Cheer", who looked a bit different than her online picture and I was surprised when she said her name.
She was fun, medium to good English, took a long shower with both of us. She didn't seem to into it or PSE for a while. Massage first, then turn and BBBJ no CIM. She did a good job though even though she seemed fairly uninterested.
Some more massage before the second round. Rubbed her a bit before starting and it was like flipping a light switch she became way into it and ready to go PSE very quickly. Just turned on a dime. Whatever positions I wanted and she moved around positions too, she was damn good once sex started and really into it, and clearly had multiple orgasms, and wanted me to just keep going and going. Good movement and everything, but in full disclosure, she was a bit loose, and it became tougher to finish that way after she was wet and loose, it simply wasn't happening, so I kept going for fun and because she was all about it. Did not ask for A+ or know if it was available.
Ended up finishing with BBBJ no CIM second time, after a very long session. Was not out of time, but it was over and I was done. She wanted to go more it seemed though.
Would repeat, took time to get her out of the shell but worth it.
I think Addict may be the best shop I've been to in a while as well, there was a lot of good there, and its much nicer than Snow White or Cherry. Only slightly higher price 2500. But the location is also more convenient.
Undercoverh
06-17-16, 05:47
To clarify, there is a big difference between an oil massage and a soapy massage. The majority of the discussion here for the past several months has focused mostly on oil massage and the discussion about the raid at one of the massage parlors. For a new person coming to this website they may think that all Bangkok has to offer is oil massage Outlets.
To clarify, an oil massage outlet that provides sex it's nothing more than a mini brothel. The prices are cheaper compared to massage parlors that are known as soapy massage parlors. Most of the oil massage parlors in Bangkok cater to many foreigners of Western descent and Koreans, Japanese, and men from other Asian countries. The Soapy massage Outlets cater mostly to Thai men And the best ones are found on to Main Streets in Bangkok which are Phra Rama 9 and New Phetchaburi Road.
It is important to understand that most members who provide feedback on this website know very little or nothing about the biggest massage parlors located on these two streets. Such massage parlors as Victoria, The Office, The Bank, Colonze, Soul Mate, Avita, BIWA, Saifon, and many others. And many of these massage parlors cater to Thai men but farangs can also go.
What's the best way to get to these soapy massage parlors? Simple, take the MRT to Phetchaburi or Phra Rama 9 exit. Then take a taxi to one of the massage palours. Bangkok 2 night dot com has a map and listing. Some sites have the name of the massage palours in thai with a map for the taxi driver.
If you always go to the same old oil on soi 24, 33, and 24/1, you will miss out on wht Bangkok is really famous for. Also the oily is cheaper for many reasons. First, the girls get HIV tested once every 3 months. At the bigger Thai stype massage palours the girls get tested monthly. Also, the big MP osoapy the carter to Thai men generally give better service when I have visted compared to oily palours.
I plan to visit Victoria this weekend and I will provide an update here when I have a chance. Note the vipe is different at MP for Thai men compared to Farang MP. For me, the service and selection hasf been better at big MP for Thai men. I enjoy a diiner and live band at some of these MPs and relax after sex in very nice highend MP. Also note, if you go plan to wear slacks and nice dress shirt with clean shoes. Of course you can wear whatever you want like shorts and flip flop shoes with a t shirt. But if you dress like a sex tourist at a high end MP that carter to well to do Thai men, you will be treated like a sex tourist.
I know what I have written May offend some members here. If you like oil massage all the time then by all means continue to do it. What I have written here is mainly for guy searching for information about Bangkok massage parlours and the best ones are known as soapy massage parlors. If you come to Bangkok, you must try the Soapy massage parlors. It is an experience you will never forget. When I first came to Thailand more than 18 years ago, My Thai friend took me to a soapy massage parlor and I never forgot that wonderful experience of a young sexy Thai girl sliding up and down on my body with soap all over her body while we laid on a air mattress. And then proceeded to have incredible sex. It was truly an experience that every guy should experience. But you will not get this experience at a oil massage Outlet. At a oil massage Outlet basically you pay your money go into a small room stands in a shower while she washes you, and then proceed to the bed for sex. You have to understand well-to-do Thai men are not into this type of service. They want a full-service outlet that includes nice surroundings like live band, restaurants and beautiful girls in the Fishbowl are a sideline to choose from. Then they want to go to the room that is very nicely decorated and enjoy the woman providing him service by giving him a soapy massage. To the well-to-do time and it is not just about having sex with my girls. They want good service and a nice surrounding. And that's what I also enjoy.
My posts may be controversial but always enlightening and informative. I hope to see more post hear about the real soapy massage parlors in Bangkok. When I first started visiting this website more than 10 years ago, the members at that time were really good informative post about the Soapy massage parlors. Back then many of the massage parlors that were in business, are no longer in business today. Soapy massage parlors come and go and the best ones continue to stay in business that cater to Thailand men.
Undercoverh
06-17-16, 06:51
As a follow-up to my posting below, I received a private message from another member asking where can he can find the maps that I talked about in my posting below. I'm shocked that I received a private message so quickly after the last post. But I'm happy that it's helping someone to have better sex in Bangkok! LOL. Rather than replying to the private message I will post here the information for everyone to see. There are several web sites that have Maps that are written in Thai. The one that I generally use is called Thai massage models. You can Google this name and you'll come up with the website. To access the information including MP pricing location maps and pictures of the girls, you will have to become a member of the website. I became a member several years ago and as I recall that sign up only takes about five minutes. I also referred to this website to get the latest information such as new girls at the massage parlors, they show the pictures and the detailed information of the girls such as her breast waist and hip size height, age, etc. I find this website to be very helpful and I hope it will be for you also. Note that that website caters to Thai men and it provides information on soapy massage parlors. I have not seen or search for any information regarding the oil sex shops.
Undercoverh, you write like you're revealing some sort of secret information. 99% of us know about the soapie massage parlors you refer to (and many others that you don't). This thread is full of reports of them but most posters prefer the oilies because they offer better service and value. In most soapies you get standard service and a 500-1000 baht surcharge for people who are not East Asian in appearance.
I know what I have written May offend some members here. If you like oil massage all the time then by all means continue to do it. What I have written here is mainly for guy searching for information about Bangkok massage parlours and the best ones are known as soapy massage parlors. If you come to Bangkok, you must try the Soapy massage parlors. It is an experience you will never forget. When I first came to Thailand more than 18 years ago, My Thai friend took me to a soapy massage parlor and I never forgot that wonderful experience of a young sexy Thai girl sliding up and down on my body with soap all over her body while we laid on a air mattress. And then proceeded to have incredible sex. It was truly an experience that every guy should experience. But you will not get this experience at a oil massage Outlet. At a oil massage Outlet basically you pay your money go into a small room stands in a shower while she washes you, and then proceed to the bed for sex. You have to understand well-to-do Thai men are not into this type of service. They want a full-service outlet that includes nice surroundings like live band, restaurants and beautiful girls in the Fishbowl are a sideline to choose from. Then they want to go to the room that is very nicely decorated and enjoy the woman providing him service by giving him a soapy massage. To the well-to-do time and it is not just about having sex with my girls. They want good service and a nice surrounding. And that's what I also enjoy.Actually I would love the full experience and enjoy the ambiance of the soapies, but I find performance to be lacking at soapies, as do many of the punters on this board. WE ha.
I know what I have written May offend some members here. If you like oil massage all the time then by all means continue to do it. What I have written here is mainly for guy searching for information about Bangkok massage parlours and the best ones are known as soapy massage parlors. If you come to Bangkok, you must try the Soapy massage parlors. It is an experience you will never forget. When I first came to Thailand more than 18 years ago, My Thai friend took me to a soapy massage parlor and I never forgot that wonderful experience of a young sexy Thai girl sliding up and down on my body with soap all over her body while we laid on a air mattress. And then proceeded to have incredible sex. It was truly an experience that every guy should experience. But you will not get this experience at a oil massage Outlet. At a oil massage Outlet basically you pay your money go into a small room stands in a shower while she washes you, and then proceed to the bed for sex. You have to understand well-to-do Thai men are not into this type of service. They want a full-service outlet that includes nice surroundings like live band, restaurants and beautiful girls in the Fishbowl are a sideline to choose from. Then they want to go to the room that is very nicely decorated and enjoy the woman providing him service by giving him a soapy massage. To the well-to-do time and it is not just about having sex with my girls. They want good service and a nice surrounding. And that's what I also enjoy.Actually I would love the full experience and have enjoyed the ambiance, but I find performance to be lacking at soapies, as do many of the punters on this board. It is often stated here, and I will reiterate, most of us would pay a pretty penny for a nice venue stocked with very good looking gals who provide full on PSE service. Sadly that does not exist. First and foremost the better looking a woman is here the less she has to "do" sexually. That seems to be reinforced by the differing expectations of many Asian customers, quite a few who want the illusion of a "good girl. " Also I believe that with many gals who aspire to classes above their birth, being nasty in bed is still considered "low class. ".
Gannaton48
06-17-16, 10:18
To clarify, there is a big difference between an oil massage and a soapy massage. The majority of the discussion here for the past several months has focused mostly on oil massage and the discussion about the raid at one of the massage parlors. For a new person coming to this website they may think that all Bangkok has to offer is oil massage Outlets.
To clarify, an oil massage outlet that provides sex it's nothing more than a mini brothel. The prices are cheaper compared to massage parlors that are known as soapy massage parlors. Most of the oil massage parlors in Bangkok cater to many foreigners of Western descent and Koreans, Japanese, and men from other Asian countries. The Soapy massage Outlets cater mostly to Thai men And the best ones are found on to Main Streets in Bangkok which are Phra Rama 9 and New Phetchaburi Road.
It is important to understand that most members who provide feedback on this website know very little or nothing about the biggest massage parlors located on these two streets. Such massage parlors as Victoria, The Office, The Bank, Colonze, Soul Mate, Avita, BIWA, Saifon, and many others. And many of these massage parlors cater to Thai men but farangs can also go.
What's the best way to get to these soapy massage parlors? Simple, take the MRT to Phetchaburi or Phra Rama 9 exit. Then take a taxi to one of the massage palours. Bangkok 2 night dot com has a map and listing. Some sites have the name of the massage palours in thai with a map for the taxi driver.
If you always go to the same old oil on soi 24, 33, and 24/1, you will miss out on wht Bangkok is really famous for. Also the oily is cheaper for many reasons. First, the girls get HIV tested once every 3 months. At the bigger Thai stype massage palours the girls get tested monthly. Also, the big MP osoapy the carter to Thai men generally give better service when I have visted compared to oily palours.
I plan to visit Victoria this weekend and I will provide an update here when I have a chance. Note the vipe is different at MP for Thai men compared to Farang MP. For me, the service and selection hasf been better at big MP for Thai men. I enjoy a diiner and live band at some of these MPs and relax after sex in very nice highend MP. Also note, if you go plan to wear slacks and nice dress shirt with clean shoes. Of course you can wear whatever you want like shorts and flip flop shoes with a t shirt. But if you dress like a sex tourist at a high end MP that carter to well to do Thai men, you will be treated like a sex tourist.
I know what I have written May offend some members here. If you like oil massage all the time then by all means continue to do it. What I have written here is mainly for guy searching for information about Bangkok massage parlours and the best ones are known as soapy massage parlors. If you come to Bangkok, you must try the Soapy massage parlors. It is an experience you will never forget. When I first came to Thailand more than 18 years ago, My Thai friend took me to a soapy massage parlor and I never forgot that wonderful experience of a young sexy Thai girl sliding up and down on my body with soap all over her body while we laid on a air mattress. And then proceeded to have incredible sex. It was truly an experience that every guy should experience. But you will not get this experience at a oil massage Outlet. At a oil massage Outlet basically you pay your money go into a small room stands in a shower while she washes you, and then proceed to the bed for sex. You have to understand well-to-do Thai men are not into this type of service. They want a full-service outlet that includes nice surroundings like live band, restaurants and beautiful girls in the Fishbowl are a sideline to choose from. Then they want to go to the room that is very nicely decorated and enjoy the woman providing him service by giving him a soapy massage. To the well-to-do time and it is not just about having sex with my girls. They want good service and a nice surrounding. And that's what I also enjoy.
My posts may be controversial but always enlightening and informative. I hope to see more post hear about the real soapy massage parlors in Bangkok. When I first started visiting this website more than 10 years ago, the members at that time were really good informative post about the Soapy massage parlors. Back then many of the massage parlors that were in business, are no longer in business today. Soapy massage parlors come and go and the best ones continue to stay in business that cater to Thailand men.Thanks a lot! I really enjoy this helpful kind of contribution, wqhile not offending those who prefer oilies. It's a bit loike PSE lovers vs GFE lovers, each its taste. Could you please add some infos such as price and what is offered (for me, sorry, BBBJ is important: is it usually available?(or even CIM) ?
Again thanks for that contribution!
Not too far from Annie's lies a shop named Princess. I walked in and 6 looker, Nun sat there and put her make up on. Not a stunner but her body looked nice. I decided to take her back to the hotel.
Back in the room it turned out that her body looks good as I guessed. She asked me if I wanted massage with or without oil. After 15 min of massage I told her I was ready to go. She was totally GFE. We started in mish like we were a couple. I then asked her to show me her ass which she did. I started to warm up her ass by putting one finger in. I used lube and I could tell she liked it and was not used to have something stuck up her ass. I went from one finger to two fingers and she started to moan really hard. After a few min she was ready to take my dick. I started to fuck her doggy style in the ass and I turned her around and fucked her spread eagle in the ass. One of my favorite positions. I finished in her pussy whilst having two fingers in her dirt hole.
WIR: maybe. She could be a good first fuck after a long flight but I would only rank her as a 6 in bed. I prefer ladies who are more PSE.
Prior to my trip to BKK I made a reservation for Nutty from Cherry. She has a great sense of humor and has a ring of pubic hair around her pussy hole. She is totally PSE, can be too much for some punters. She is really horny and takes charge. I fucked her in multiple positions. No holes are barred and she can truly take the load over her face like a porn star.
Her tits are small and saggy. Her ass keeps on giving and giving. I could tell that her ass has been penetrated by many men prior to me. I can recommend her to those of you who just want to get the PSE with a girl with the right attitude. She has a cute face and an ok body. If you do meet her, please remember that she has taken my load over her face.
During my last day in BKK I ordered Kae from Bongkot for an outcall sessions in my hotel. She is supposed to be able to do a great duo with Cash but Cash was not available.
Kae is a great little girl who aims to please. Her personality is bubbly and funny and I felt I could really connect with her. She is a true PSE which I like. She really goes for it in bed. She really liked to be fucked from behind in her ass. I turned her around after a while and I did her spread eagle in her pussy. After about 15 min of hard pounding I came in her mouth. We showered and had a second round equally good as the first round. I will repeat next time in BKK and will try to take Kae and Cash for a threesome.
To clarify, there is a big difference between an oil massage and a soapy massage. The majority of the discussion here for the past several months has focused mostly on oil massage and the discussion about the raid at one of the massage parlors. For a new person coming to this website they may think that all Bangkok has to offer is oil massage Outlets.
To clarify, an oil massage outlet that provides sex it's nothing more than a mini brothel. The prices are cheaper compared to massage parlors that are known as soapy massage parlors. Most of the oil massage parlors in Bangkok cater to many foreigners of Western descent and Koreans, Japanese, and men from other Asian countries. The Soapy massage Outlets cater mostly to Thai men And the best ones are found on to Main Streets in Bangkok which are Phra Rama 9 and New Phetchaburi Road.
It is important to understand that most members who provide feedback on this website know very little or nothing about the biggest massage parlors located on these two streets. Such massage parlors as Victoria, The Office, The Bank, Colonze, Soul Mate, Avita, BIWA, Saifon, and many others. And many of these massage parlors cater to Thai men but farangs can also go.
What's the best way to get to these soapy massage parlors? Simple, take the MRT to Phetchaburi or Phra Rama 9 exit. Then take a taxi to one of the massage palours. Bangkok 2 night dot com has a map and listing. Some sites have the name of the massage palours in thai with a map for the taxi driver.
If you always go to the same old oil on soi 24, 33, and 24/1, you will miss out on wht Bangkok is really famous for. Also the oily is cheaper for many reasons. First, the girls get HIV tested once every 3 months. At the bigger Thai stype massage palours the girls get tested monthly. Also, the big MP osoapy the carter to Thai men generally give better service when I have visted compared to oily palours.
I plan to visit Victoria this weekend and I will provide an update here when I have a chance. Note the vipe is different at MP for Thai men compared to Farang MP. For me, the service and selection hasf been better at big MP for Thai men. I enjoy a diiner and live band at some of these MPs and relax after sex in very nice highend MP. Also note, if you go plan to wear slacks and nice dress shirt with clean shoes. Of course you can wear whatever you want like shorts and flip flop shoes with a t shirt. But if you dress like a sex tourist at a high end MP that carter to well to do Thai men, you will be treated like a sex tourist.
I know what I have written May offend some members here. If you like oil massage all the time then by all means continue to do it. What I have written here is mainly for guy searching for information about Bangkok massage parlours and the best ones are known as soapy massage parlors. If you come to Bangkok, you must try the Soapy massage parlors. It is an experience you will never forget. When I first came to Thailand more than 18 years ago, My Thai friend took me to a soapy massage parlor and I never forgot that wonderful experience of a young sexy Thai girl sliding up and down on my body with soap all over her body while we laid on a air mattress. And then proceeded to have incredible sex. It was truly an experience that every guy should experience. But you will not get this experience at a oil massage Outlet. At a oil massage Outlet basically you pay your money go into a small room stands in a shower while she washes you, and then proceed to the bed for sex. You have to understand well-to-do Thai men are not into this type of service. They want a full-service outlet that includes nice surroundings like live band, restaurants and beautiful girls in the Fishbowl are a sideline to choose from. Then they want to go to the room that is very nicely decorated and enjoy the woman providing him service by giving him a soapy massage. To the well-to-do time and it is not just about having sex with my girls. They want good service and a nice surrounding. And that's what I also enjoy.
My posts may be controversial but always enlightening and informative. I hope to see more post hear about the real soapy massage parlors in Bangkok. When I first started visiting this website more than 10 years ago, the members at that time were really good informative post about the Soapy massage parlors. Back then many of the massage parlors that were in business, are no longer in business today. Soapy massage parlors come and go and the best ones continue to stay in business that cater to Thailand men.What would we be offended about? I have visited many of the Soapies you mention at some time, even Sai Fon. However many visits did not result in me picking a girl if could not find anything pretty at the time, e. G. Victoria Secret. Some places specialise in "budget" girls older and more ugly, e. G. Biwa. I have not heard of "The Bank" or "Soul Mate" so please tell us more. "The Office" was once called Colonze 4 and before that was called ChaiLai. Maybe I took a girl there. Can't remember. Was always hard to find memorable girls. Their is a bar on Soi 33 also known as the "Office". Good for a Thai man to be able to tell his wife he was still at the office. LOL. I have visited all others mentioned. Perhaps these two are relatively new or located a bit out from the normal district.
Which Soapy has become your favorite? Beautiful girls? What percentage of girls are unmodified without nose jobs and boob jobs? That is my big problem. I was originally only a Soapy guy never doing Oilies. Chao Praya 2 was my favorite with very large fishbowl. Many great girls from there in former times. I branched out to Oilies in about 2007, I guess. Recently my interest in Soapies declined with my favorite girls dropping off. I still use Annies and Amsterdam the most. La Belle has been disappointing after I stopped seeing an old favorite there. I still like a good erotic body slide (rather than massage) from wherever it can be found if they have some hot girls. Some Oilies and Nurus provide this. Soapies not so much except for Annies, Emmanuelle, Colonze 2 that come to mind. Many Soapies declined badly for customers and girls. Utopia is a good example. It has so little business compared to 10 years ago. Chao Praya 2 declined too. Are there any Soapies that did not decline? I guess only the new ones like "The Lord". La Belle has never lived up to expectations but many Utopia girls probably moved there. I much preferred the former Mona Lisa on the same site.
I see in 2005, my favourite Soapies were Chao Praya 2, Mona Lisa, Poseidon and Copa Cabana. The Thaksin era cleanout was even before that. In subsequent years I got favourite girls at Utopia, Infinity JC, Amsterdam, and Long Beach. Now I have basically one favourite at Annies. A poor state of affairs. I never really developed any favourite girls in any of the Petchburi places beyond Mona Lisa (now La Belle). Quality of the girls just not that special. Ratchada places seemed better to me, even though more expensive.
What went wrong with the Soapies? I guess just bad economic times hit the soapies badly. Also the cleanouts of foreign girls and low age girls hit them. These places were fabulous up to maybe 10 years ago, even despite previous economic down turns. These days its easier for me to find really pretty girls, that like to fuck Farangs, at a bar, than at a Soapy. Soapies may have a stunner for 5K Baht or more, but still hit and miss if she is going to be fun, and also very hard to get to the top girls usually pre-booked. I once met a stunner at Tarawadee, high cost girl, on the way out. I subsequently tried hard to ring to get a booking with her but never succeeded. The super girls were so hard to get to. Perhaps some of them did not like to take Farangs.
"Budget" soapies can get a girl at a low price. I used to visit Bangkok Cosy. However stunners are not there. I recently looked in Darling and was surprised the line up looked improved over former times, even if just 12 girls at the time. I will try it again.
If there are some really great girls at some great Soapies, I do want to hear about them. it gets so hard to find. No fake stuff for me though. Just natural models. LOL
As a follow-up to my posting below, I received a private message from another member asking where can he can find the maps that I talked about in my posting below. I'm shocked that I received a private message so quickly after the last post. But I'm happy that it's helping someone to have better sex in Bangkok! LOL. Rather than replying to the private message I will post here the information for everyone to see. There are several web sites that have Maps that are written in Thai. The one that I generally use is called Thai massage models. You can Google this name and you'll come up with the website. To access the information including MP pricing location maps and pictures of the girls, you will have to become a member of the website. I became a member several years ago and as I recall that sign up only takes about five minutes. I also referred to this website to get the latest information such as new girls at the massage parlors, they show the pictures and the detailed information of the girls such as her breast waist and hip size height, age, etc. I find this website to be very helpful and I hope it will be for you also. Note that that website caters to Thai men and it provides information on soapy massage parlors. I have not seen or search for any information regarding the oil sex shops.I don't understand what is use of Maps written in Thai on most websites, but I can be wrong. I can read Thai but most on here cannot. Also Thai Maps are not to scale, and North is often not toward the top of the page, so they can be very confusing.
I use just Google Maps which has both Thai and English. Sure some places have pins in the wrong place but most are okay These days.
The there is street view to view what the place looks like from the outside. For example Victoria Secret can be located that way. There is a problem with speaking to Thai taxi drivers if you don't know how to pronounce the place in the Thai way. For example Colonze, is pronounced Coe-loan-SAY with emphasis on the last syllable. Many Thai taxi drivers cannot read Maps. LOL You better hope he knows the streets that intersect nearest your destination if he does not know the Soapy itself.
Its pretty much essential to have a smart phone with internet and Google Maps so you can monitor if your taxi is heading to the right place. I always know where it is on Google Maps before I go anywhere.
You can even get the best route worked out in advance. Some places are very hard to get to in traffic jams especially around Rama 9. Consider use of BTS and MRT as far as possible and motorcycle or walk the last bit.
Even big trouble to find where a place is, ask on the ISG. A pin on Google Maps can be provided. Most Soapies were located on a Google Map in former times by Mick Licker. Out of Date just a little but still useful.
I use just Google Maps which has both Thai and English. True. Just type in the English name of any MP and it's there on Google Maps. They even show blow job bars.
Even easier than taking a taxi though is to use Uber. Just type 'Colonze' into the app as your destination and Colonze 2 is one of the places listed so the driver will take you straight there. If the MP you want to visit isn't recognised by Uber then just find it on the map. Easy. GrabTaxi would probably also get the job done.
Prior to my trip to BKK I made a reservation for Nutty from Cherry. She has a great sense of humor and has a ring of pubic hair around her pussy hole. She is totally PSE, can be too much for some punters. She is really horny and takes charge. I fucked her in multiple positions. No holes are barred and she can truly take the load over her face like a porn star.
Her tits are small and saggy. Her ass keeps on giving and giving. I could tell that her ass has been penetrated by many men prior to me. I can recommend her to those of you who just want to get the PSE with a girl with the right attitude. She has a cute face and an ok body. If you do meet her, please remember that she has taken my load over her face.She used to work at Mango. Great performer, but body has just been ravaged by pregnancy. I could not repeat.
During my last day in BKK I ordered Kae from Bongkot for an outcall sessions in my hotel. She is supposed to be able to do a great duo with Cash but Cash was not available.
Kae is a great little girl who aims to please. Her personality is bubbly and funny and I felt I could really connect with her. She is a true PSE which I like. She really goes for it in bed. She really liked to be fucked from behind in her ass. I turned her around after a while and I did her spread eagle in her pussy. After about 15 min of hard pounding I came in her mouth. We showered and had a second round equally good as the first round. I will repeat next time in BKK and will try to take Kae and Cash for a threesome.How's the body? Any baby drag? Sounds like a trooper if she is all intact.
How's the body? Any baby drag? Sounds like a trooper if she is all intact.Good but not great. At lot better than Nutty's.
She used to work at Mango. Great performer, but body has just been ravaged by pregnancy. I could not repeat.Agreed. Her body and tits are not great.
I will probably not repeat either.
Fellow mongers,
It would be great if we could get more reports on ladies at the MP's. After all sharing is caring. I am happy to share and I would appreciate what your experience are with the ladies. That will make it easier for all of us to pick and choose the lady of our liking.
She used to work at Mango. Great performer, but body has just been ravaged by pregnancy. I could not repeat.I can't do ladies with bodies ravaged by pregnancy either. It's a shame because Nutty has a pretty face and I would happily give her A+ if I didn't have to look at a disappointing body. Maybe someone who's friendly with the manageress at Cherry could suggest she gets in some sexy outfits to solve the problem. They could even charge extra like Miss BJ does:
http://missbjbkk.com/index.php/promotions
I would pay 200 baht extra for a girl in one of those outfits.
The owners of these places need to be a bit more creative to make the best of what they've got.
Good but not great. At lot better than Nutty's.Thanks much. It's a shame we don't have more performers who are also great lookers.
What went wrong with the Soapies?I think it's a generational thing. Soapies got really going in the '60's and peaked in the '70's and early '80's. Since then it's been gradually downhill, especially in the last ten years or so. When I first came here the Thais really liked them but you'd be hard pressed these days to find a Thai who admitted to going to them. They still get some tourist trade but it seems younger punters just aren't dedicated to them the way we were in my generation. Mongering fashions move on.
Traveler1234
06-20-16, 16:09
If there are some really great girls at some great Soapies, I do want to hear about them. it gets so hard to find. No fake stuff for me though. Just natural models. LOLFor several decades, I only visited exclusively soapies, either by myself or Thai business associates or senior staff (yes! Probably visited almost every soapie in town.
Since 2007-08, both a decline in services and increase in price. The normal fishbowl girls just didn't do it for me anymore, service often poor. The side-liners became more popular but double or more the price of fishbowl. And side-liners did only 90 minutes, one shot. Fortunately I'm not considered farang so no additional up-charge.
I will repeat next time in BKK and will try to take Kae and Cash for a threesome.Funny that you mention that. .
I headed out to Thailand at the end of May. I normally stop in Bangkok for one evening but a combination of Cash's picture disappearing off the Bongkot website and my wingman's urgency to head to Pattaya persuaded me to head straight from swamy to Soi Buakhao, Pattaya.
I had some great experiences in Pattaya but I was kicking me hells one day in the hotel room and thought, "Why not try Bongkot and see if Cash is working? I made the call and after a little bit broken English conversation, I figured out I was talking to Cash. The really weird thing is that Cash knew who I was and described a very particular feature of my physique that she remembered. I booked cash for 2 hours time and went outside and took a taxi up to BKK, The deal was taxi to BKK, wait 2 hours and drop me back, I got it for 2300 B.
I got into Bongkot and there was a lineup of 4 girls. I asked about June but she has gone home apparently. Cash lined up with the other girls and I have no idea why as she knew that I had her booked. In the end I selected Cash and Gae. Up to the room with the girls and there was the usual messing about with aircon, bottles of water and boxes containing the girls' tools of the trade. Both girls deep throated me whilst they were still dressed and took turns, the BJs were great, so much better than what I had been getting for BGs in Pattaya or from Bliss lounge. The girls stripped off, condom on and I bent Cash over and fucked her in the pussy, The incredible thing about Cash is how tight she still is, It was a struggle penetrating her at first. I got Gae to line up next to Cash bent over, I changed the condom and stuck my cock in Gae's ass. I love the view of a spread ass when I am fucking it, I stopped briefly and got Cash to sit on top of Gae facing in the opposite direction and to pull Gae's ass cheeks apart whilst fucking her in the ass. I withdrew from Gae and changed the condom again and tried to anally penetrate Cash. I couldn't get it into Cash's ass, she tried, I tried but it was just too small. I find this really weird, Especially with Cash's reputation from other parlors. I got the girls to kneel next to each other and shot on their faces, Cash caught most of the load with Gae getting some spatters. The really cool thing about Cash is that she was quite happy to lie on the bed with spunk all over her face and hair and have a chat whilst making herself a spunk quiff, she is one fun girl.
Showered and left. Paid on the way out 4200 B and I managed to get Cash's line. .
I got into Bongkot and there was a lineup of 4 girls. I asked about June but she has gone home apparently. Cash lined up with the other girls and I have no idea why as she knew that I had her booked. In the end I selected Cash and Gae. Up to the room with the girls and there was the usual messing about with aircon, bottles of water and boxes containing the girls' tools of the trade. Both girls deep throated me whilst they were still dressed and took turns, the BJs were great, so much better than what I had been getting for BGs in Pattaya or from Bliss lounge. The girls stripped off, condom on and I bent Cash over and fucked her in the pussy, The incredible thing about Cash is how tight she still is, It was a struggle penetrating her at first. I got Gae to line up next to Cash bent over, I changed the condom and stuck my cock in Gae's ass. I love the view of a spread ass when I am fucking it, I stopped briefly and got Cash to sit on top of Gae facing in the opposite direction and to pull Gae's ass cheeks apart whilst fucking her in the ass. I withdrew from Gae and changed the condom again and tried to anally penetrate Cash. I couldn't get it into Cash's ass, she tried, I tried but it was just too small. I find this really weird, Especially with Cash's reputation from other parlors. I got the girls to kneel next to each other and shot on their faces, Cash caught most of the load with Gae getting some spatters. The really cool thing about Cash is that she was quite happy to lie on the bed with spunk all over her face and hair and have a chat whilst making herself a spunk quiff, she is one fun girl.And this is exactly the kind of performance I expect at PSE places, give or take the anal. In fact, when you subtract the anal this is the kind of performance I expect from just about all the working gals I take. And it is really what we all should expect, and not settle for less. Sadly it seems that Tulip and Bongkot are the only places you can rely on this type of service. Of course they are both owned by Saeng.
The girls stripped offGreat report but how are their bodies?
Christian G
06-21-16, 08:30
And this is exactly the kind of performance I expect at PSE places, give or take the anal. In fact, when you subtract the anal this is the kind of performance I expect from just about all the working gals I take. And it is really what we all should expect, and not settle for less. Sadly it seems that Tulip and Bongkot are the only places you can rely on this type of service. Of course they are both owned by Saeng.I been in Tulip few days ago, and when I asked for anal only few girls raise the hand. So it's seems not all girls offer this service.
I been in Tulip few days ago, and when I asked for anal only few girls raise the hand. So it's seems not all girls offer this service.I find this a bit surprising, although not shockingly so. Are you sure they understood what you were asking for? For example, asking for "A plus" is usually understood at the PSE shops, asking for "anal" maybe not.
I find this a bit surprising, although not shockingly so. Are you sure they understood what you were asking for? For example, asking for "A plus" is usually understood at the PSE shops, asking for "anal" maybe not.I stuck my head into snow white a couple of weeks back. About 20 girls rolled out including one absolute stunner. I asked the "A plus" question and they all stuck their hands up except the stunner.
Great report but how are their bodies?I find Cash extremely attractive but I am not sure why. I think it must be here cheeky impish smile and attitude. Cash is no 20 yo but she has no baby damage and I really like her body, she had lovely handful size breasts. Gae has a nice body (lovely legs) and she has definitely had children but the damage is no way as pronounced as Mud / Nutty's. On the subject of Nutty, Don't write her off just because of the baby damage, Her service is truly superb.
Christian G
06-21-16, 17:25
I find this a bit surprising, although not shockingly so. Are you sure they understood what you were asking for? For example, asking for "A plus" is usually understood at the PSE shops, asking for "anal" maybe not.Yes, they understand. I asked in english and thai.
Kae told me that Cash is also an owner of Bongkot and Tulip.
And this is exactly the kind of performance I expect at PSE places, give or take the anal. In fact, when you subtract the anal this is the kind of performance I expect from just about all the working gals I take. And it is really what we all should expect, and not settle for less. Sadly it seems that Tulip and Bongkot are the only places you can rely on this type of service. Of course they are both owned by Saeng.
Kae told me that Cash is also an owner of Bongkot and Tulip.Cash is the manager and actually has a massage "license. " But Saeng owns both shops. Saeng was an original Baron's gal and started Tulip right after Baron's closed in the mid 00's.
Robert Long
06-22-16, 02:50
I find Cash extremely attractive but I am not sure why. I think it must be here cheeky impish smile and attitude. Cash is no 20 yo but she has no baby damage and I really like her body, she had lovely handful size breasts. Gae has a nice body (lovely legs) and she has definitely had children but the damage is no way as pronounced as Mud / Nutty's. On the subject of Nutty, Don't write her off just because of the baby damage, Her service is truly superb.I had her the day after she returned from Issan after the New years. She has a GFE attitude and I loved the cock licking in the shower. Good service.
RL.
LoveHole69
06-26-16, 01:11
So who has any info on the reports of new ladies there?
And Syzgies I just saw your question from last month, I didn't write what came up on my post it did change a D to the.
So it wasn't the weird suggestion someone made about some British slang.
I was using the Thai word for the usual Thai working ladies husband or BF who leeches off them, I was talking about dao years back before all the surgeries.
And Goatscrot I like the sound of the lady who needed you to pump hard in her brown eye for 20 minutes to make her cum.
Any suggestions for me?
So who has any info on the reports of new ladies there?
And Syzgies I just saw your question from last month, I didn't write what came up on my post it did change a D to the.
So it wasn't the weird suggestion someone made about some British slang.
I was using the Thai word for the usual Thai working ladies husband or BF who leeches off them, I was talking about dao years back before all the surgeries.
And Goatscrot I like the sound of the lady who needed you to pump hard in her brown eye for 20 minutes to make her cum.
Any suggestions for me?Okay So the girl girl has a "Meng D". I still had no idea what this means. It's not English.
Aha, now you say it's supposed to be Thai. A Thai Pimp. This is "Maeng Daa" in Thai (shortened form of more correctly Malaeng Daanaa). A euphemism since it is literally the name of a large water bug / beatle. If you use Thai, you should provide a translation since your spelling is not good, and many readers will have no clue, whether they speak Thai or not.
On this link everyone can see what is a Maeng Da. LOL
https://www.eatingthaifood.com/how-to-eat-a-giant-water-bug-maeng-da-thailand/
The majority of Thai girls actually don't like extra large dick. I know one Italian Max who gets over 50% refusals. So if they generally like your "Schlong", it can't be as large as you imagine. LOL. Also cuts down greatly on girls offering their ass. O.K. I know just a few who claim they like somewhat large dick in the pussy. Usually these girls are mothers who have been stretched a bit. I did meet a Thai girl who had a son and lived in Switzerland for a while, with a cavernous pussy. She definitely needed giant dick to fill her pussy, but that is like one in a thousand. Normal to large guys would just flop around inside her.
She was charming, pretty, spoke several languages, but no BF. I guess I knew why. Pussy far too sloppy gave no feeling. Not sure if her ass was available. She did not offer.
I find this a bit surprising, although not shockingly so. Are you sure they understood what you were asking for? For example, asking for "A plus" is usually understood at the PSE shops, asking for "anal" maybe not.PSE shops have to know this. Ordinary shops might not understand "A Plus" in some cases, since it is not a universally known euphemism. I never heard of it before reading the ISG.
It is not surprising at any shop that some girls are not providing anal. Most girls simply don't like it, and there are limits to what girls will do for small money, if they are not desperate. E. g. Plenty do not want to lick dirty assholes or swallow cum, for the entertainment of the psychos.
Plenty of girls that will provide anal in some cases, still say they do not enjoy it at all. I could go a whole year without any girl offering me her asshole. They just are not that keen on it. Even Benz in SW did not offer it. She was happy enough to skip it I guess.
So who has any info on the reports of new ladies there?
I had Nonny a few weeks back. I see her photo is now on the Snow White website and is accurate. She has no baby so her skin is nice and tight, nice pair of natural tits but a little bit of a belly fat. She's A+ and I really enjoyed the session. She's very sweet but a bit inexperienced. She doesn't like any fingers in her at all, but apart from that I was very happy with the service. She obviously found it very difficult to take A+, so she's great if you're looking to be one of the first to teach a young, sweet, inexperienced girl how things should be done. If you're looking for a hardcore PSE then you'd probably be better off with a more experienced girl.
Snow White has a few new girls in. Any other reports of them? I hope the others are also A+ with no babies. Aom, Ninja and Icey are new and look nice on the website but it's difficult to judge their bodies.
PSE shops have to know this. Ordinary shops might not understand "A Plus" in some cases, since it is not a universally known euphemism. I never heard of it before reading the ISG.
It is not surprising at any shop that some girls are not providing anal. Most girls simply don't like it, and there are limits to what girls will do for small money, if they are not desperate. E. g. Plenty do not want to lick dirty assholes or swallow cum, for the entertainment of the psychos.
Plenty of girls that will provide anal in some cases, still say they do not enjoy it at all. I could go a whole year without any girl offering me her asshole. They just are not that keen on it. Even Benz in SW did not offer it. She was happy enough to skip it I guess.I'm not sure what you are referring to when you state "PSE shops have to know this. " My post basically suggested they know what "A plus" is, but raised the possibility they may not understand the term "anal. " Are you suggesting the PSE girls all know what is being asked for when someone asks for "anal"?
I should add I am also surprised you would suggest a guy who wants a girl to swallow cum is by that fact alone a psycho. And this is coming from a guy who never cums in the mouth except during rare instances where I go to blowjob bars in Tokyo.
I should add I am also surprised you would suggest a guy who wants a girl to swallow cum is by that fact alone a psycho. And this is coming from a guy who never cums in the mouth except during rare instances where I go to blowjob bars in Tokyo.Fellow members of the Baby Boom generation recall a time pre-internet and pre-home video when the main sources of porn were magazines and, believe it or not dear Gen Xers or whatever, paperback books. Yep, I'm talking about just written prose with no pictures. And they could actually be quite hot. The most famous publishing house for those very sexy books was the late, great Olympia Press. It was rumored that many highly regarded writers of the day wrote some of those books under fake names for a quick buck and I don't doubt it because some of the authors really nailed the essence of what sex is all about in terms of emotion and fantasy fullfilment as well as incredibly useful descriptions of technique.
Why do I mention these decades old memories? Because, horny little post adolesent and young adult that I was, I probably read a couple of dozen of those Olympia Press masterpieces and, while blowjobs were a key element in those gloriously sexy stores, not one time in all those books did a passage about our hero getting a blowjob end with the lovely maiden hacking his cum into a kleenex or jumpimg up and running to the nearest sink to spit it out.
It turns out the idea of a proper, fantasy fullfilling blowjob, at least for normal men of my generation, has the cum going into a woman and staying there. Just like the end of a fantasy fullfilling fuck. Not into a tissue, a toilet, a sink, into her eyes, ears, nostrils or out an open window.
I have been happily accepting blowjobs from thousands of women around the USA, parts of Asia, Latin America and Europe for about 45 years and Thailand is the only place where the girl swallowing is a BIG deal with many girls seeing it as a much greater sacrifice than losing their virginity. Weird. I probably got blown by more than 100 women in the USA before I was 30 years old and it never occurred to me that some women DON'T swallow the cum at the finish since it seemed to me to be normal, routine behavior without my even mentioning it. After I was well into my mid-50's, I don't recall one time when an American girl of virtually any ethnic background spitt out my cum at the end of a blowjob instead of swallowing it. Sure, I had many who didn't give blowjobs at all (to me, at least). But if they did, and hundreds did, they finished it like an adult woman. They swallowed.
In my experience, Thailand is the only place where simply swallowing is rare. It happens, still happens for me. But it is not the given routine it is most places I have mongered and dated. And that was so even when I was coming here 25 years ago.
Gannaton48
06-27-16, 16:54
Fellow members of the Baby Boom generation recall a time pre-internet and pre-home video when the main sources of porn were magazines and, believe it or not dear Gen Xers or whatever, paperback books. Yep, I'm talking about just written prose with no pictures. And they could actually be quite hot. The most famous publishing house for those very sexy books was the late, great Olympia Press. It was rumored that many highly regarded writers of the day wrote some of those books under fake names for a quick buck and I don't doubt it because some of the authors really nailed the essence of what sex is all about in terms of emotion and fantasy fullfilment as well as incredibly useful descriptions of technique.
Why do I mention these decades old memories? Because, horny little post adolesent and young adult that I was, I probably read a couple of dozen of those Olympia Press masterpieces and, while blowjobs were a key element in those gloriously sexy stores, not one time in all those books did a passage about our hero getting a blowjob end with the lovely maiden hacking his cum into a kleenex or jumpimg up and running to the nearest sink to spit it out.
It turns out the idea of a proper, fantasy fullfilling blowjob, at least for normal men of my generation, has the cum going into a woman and staying there. Just like the end of a fantasy fullfilling fuck. Not into a tissue, a toilet, a sink, into her eyes, ears, nostrils or out an open window.
I have been happily accepting blowjobs from thousands of women around the USA, parts of Asia, Latin America and Europe for about 45 years and Thailand is the only place where the girl swallowing is a BIG deal with many girls seeing it as a much greater sacrifice than losing their virginity. Weird. I probably got blown by more than 100 women in the USA before I was 30 years old and it never occurred to me that some women DON'T swallow the cum at the finish since it seemed to me to be normal, routine behavior without my even mentioning it. After I was well into my mid-50's, I don't recall one time when an American girl of virtually any ethnic background spitt out my cum at the end of a blowjob instead of swallowing it. Sure, I had many who didn't give blowjobs at all (to me, at least). But if they did, and hundreds did, they finished it like an adult woman. They swallowed.
In my experience, Thailand is the only place where simply swallowing is rare. It happens, still happens for me. But it is not the given routine it is most places I have mongered and dated. And that was so even when I was coming here 25 years ago.I guess you speak about really swallowing, not just CIM? First time I was in BKK (1988) I went to Mona Lisa (name has changed since) and among about 100 girls there were 5-6 on a side, in a special colour, for us to know those will "smoke" as they said. Fortunately and neverthelss things have improved since! But I agree, young girls fear it. FLs being 35-40 years old in contrast do it very likely, one reason why I prefer good looking FLs. In my experience they are more open and less shy, in other words they have experience.
I have been happily accepting blowjobs from thousands of women around the USA, parts of Asia, Latin America and Europe for about 45 years and Thailand is the only place where the girl swallowing is a BIG deal with many girls seeing it as a much greater sacrifice than losing their virginity. Weird. I probably got blown by more than 100 women in the USA before I was 30 years old and it never occurred to me that some women DON'T swallow the cum at the finish since it seemed to me to be normal, routine behavior without my even mentioning it. After I was well into my mid-50's, I don't recall one time when an American girl of virtually any ethnic background spitt out my cum at the end of a blowjob instead of swallowing it. Sure, I had many who didn't give blowjobs at all (to me, at least). But if they did, and hundreds did, they finished it like an adult woman. They swallowed.
In my experience, Thailand is the only place where simply swallowing is rare. It happens, still happens for me. But it is not the given routine it is most places I have mongered and dated. And that was so even when I was coming here 25 years ago.Overall I would say most Thai women are come-phobic for lack of a better term. The don't swallow, don't like it on their bodies, don't like the smell, or anything about it.
Overall I would say most Thai women are come-phobic for lack of a better term. The don't swallow, don't like it on their bodies, don't like the smell, or anything about it.I think that is true. Of course, virtually none of them are phobic about a man giving them a good and thorough pussy eating. And I have yet to observe a Thai girl's reaction if I lept to my feet and ran to the toilet to hack, cough and spit out whatever vestiges of pussy juice remained in my mouth (after already swallowing jiggers of it in the process. LOL) within seconds of her orgasm. I have yet to observe it because I've never done it. It would never occur to me to be so childish and insulting to a woman for whom I've just muff dived.
Generally, I would say that is the one point to make with a Thai woman that changes her mind about swallowing. Or might change her mind about it. Get them quickly addicted to a fine and thorough pussy eating including a truly memorable finish, clean up and lingering / loving aftermath. Then point out that is the way it is supposed to finish and how would she feel if she knew all during it that I was anxious to spit out whatever seeps or squrts out of her instead of how I treat her. If the concept sinks in they will often see the light for the first time in their lives and give it a go next time.
I think that is true. Of course, virtually none of them are phobic about a man giving them a good and thorough pussy eating. And I have yet to observe a Thai girl's reaction if I lept to my feet and ran to the toilet to hack, cough and spit out whatever vestiges of pussy juice remained in my mouth (after already swallowing jiggers of it in the process. LOL) within seconds of her orgasm. I have yet to observe it because I've never done it. It would never occur to me to be so childish and insulting to a woman for whom I've just muff dived.
Generally, I would say that is the one point to make with a Thai woman that changes her mind about swallowing. Or might change her mind about it. Get them quickly addicted to a fine and thorough pussy eating including a truly memorable finish, clean up and lingering / loving aftermath. Then point out that is the way it is supposed to finish and how would she feel if she knew all during it that I was anxious to spit out whatever seeps or squrts out of her instead of how I treat her. If the concept sinks in they will often see the light for the first time in their lives and give it a go next time.Poetic Elh. One of the best posts I have read in a long time. I will have to try that upon occasion.
Was there another raid or something? I stopped by Catherine's and La Defense last night around 8 pm, and there were no girls. When I say "no girls", I mean absolutely zero. Both places were completely empty except for the staff. I asked the staff at both places why there were no girls working, but neither one would give me a real response. They just kept saying "sorry, no girls today. " Very odd!
Was there another raid or something? I stopped by Catherine's and La Defense last night around 8 pm, and there were no girls. When I say "no girls", I mean absolutely zero. Both places were completely empty except for the staff. I asked the staff at both places why there were no girls working, but neither one would give me a real response. They just kept saying "sorry, no girls today. " Very odd!WOW! Terrible news. What is the position today? Hope it stabilizes by November (my trip time).
Was there another raid or something? I stopped by Catherine's and La Defense last night around 8 pm, and there were no girls. When I say "no girls", I mean absolutely zero. Both places were completely empty except for the staff. I asked the staff at both places why there were no girls working, but neither one would give me a real response. They just kept saying "sorry, no girls today. " Very odd!What did the parking lots look like? Empty. ? Do you recall any buses parked (this would indicate a tour trip, sometimes they will come in and could possibly consume all of the women).
There were only a couple cars in the parking lot (belonging to the staff, I assume, as there were no customers). I definitely did not see any tour buses.
What did the parking lots look like? Empty. ? Do you recall any buses parked (this would indicate a tour trip, sometimes they will come in and could possibly consume all of the women).
There were only a couple cars in the parking lot (belonging to the staff, I assume, as there were no customers). I definitely did not see any tour buses.
Sometimes this weird stuff happens. I once went to Alina and Colonze2 (also nearby each other) and they were both semi-closed but semi-open. There were people inside, such as wait staff, and people having a meeting, but no girls working that day. Some internal Thai business stuff that day, I assumed. May have also been the case with the 2 you went.
Also, it could just be that they were literally empty of women that night, or had so few working rather. I went to Copa Cabana a month or two ago and the entire bottom floor was empty at 7PM. Had to go upstairs to the model lounge where only 5-8 women were available. A group (as is often the case with local/semi-local asian mongers) could have easily come in and cleared that place out of working women. It seems that even before the raids, soapies were just not doing well talent-wise. So not too surprised to see empty soapies, certainly not thrilled about it either. Really hoping the soapies get better as I prefer daytime action with better looking women than what is at oillies.
Member #4591
07-02-16, 14:07
Sometimes this weird stuff happens. I once went to Alina and Colonze2 (also nearby each other) and they were both semi-closed but semi-open. There were people inside, such as wait staff, and people having a meeting, but no girls working that day. Some internal Thai business stuff that day, I assumed. May have also been the case with the 2 you went.
Also, it could just be that they were literally empty of women that night, or had so few working rather. I went to Copa Cabana a month or two ago and the entire bottom floor was empty at 7PM. Had to go upstairs to the model lounge where only 5-8 women were available. A group (as is often the case with local/semi-local asian mongers) could have easily come in and cleared that place out of working women. It seems that even before the raids, soapies were just not doing well talent-wise. So not too surprised to see empty soapies, certainly not thrilled about it either. Really hoping the soapies get better as I prefer daytime action with better looking women than what is at oillies.Apparently the owners of a few other massage parlors on Ratchada were silent partners with the owner of Nataree, not silent enough. Even though Alaina massage was found not to have broken any laws, they are closing it down due to the owner's involvement with Nataree. I suspect a few other owners will have a similar problem. Anyways guys, this will improve the freelancer scene greatly. I suspect we will see a huge influx of girls in the clubs as well as the Go go bars. Soi Cowboy and Nana plaza are important tourist dollars for Thailand and will never be influenced too much by crackdowns. For some of you Cheap Charlie's, this will be great news because the prices will drop. Another example is Pattaya. We are seeing raids in many bars but the ones on Walking street always seem to survive because of its tourist dollars. In my eyes this is great news because I love the FL scene.
Apparently the owners of a few other massage parlors on Ratchada were silent partners with the owner of Nataree, not silent enough. Even though Alaina massage was found not to have broken any laws, they are closing it down due to the owner's involvement with Nataree. I suspect a few other owners will have a similar problem. Anyways guys, this will improve the freelancer scene greatly. I suspect we will see a huge influx of girls in the clubs as well as the Go go bars. Soi Cowboy and Nana plaza are important tourist dollars for Thailand and will never be influenced too much by crackdowns. For some of you Cheap Charlie's, this will be great news because the prices will drop. Another example is Pattaya. We are seeing raids in many bars but the ones on Walking street always seem to survive because of its tourist dollars. In my eyes this is great news because I love the FL scene.I would imagine the gals that work at soapies will not be seen in GoGo bars. Perhaps in some FL venues; but remember, most of those gals speak no English and are more comfortable with Asian guys.
I would imagine the gals that work at soapies will not be seen in GoGo bars. Perhaps in some FL venues; but remember, most of those gals speak no English and are more comfortable with Asian guys.The soapie girls won't go anywhere near gogo bars or tourist freelancer venues. They'll probably end up in underground brothels where their pay and working conditions will be worse. So much for being 'rescued'.
Sometimes this weird stuff happens. I once went to Alina and Colonze2 (also nearby each other) and they were both semi-closed but semi-open. There were people inside, such as wait staff, and people having a meeting, but no girls working that day. Some internal Thai business stuff that day, I assumed. May have also been the case with the 2 you went.
Also, it could just be that they were literally empty of women that night, or had so few working rather. I went to Copa Cabana a month or two ago and the entire bottom floor was empty at 7PM. Had to go upstairs to the model lounge where only 5-8 women were available. A group (as is often the case with local/semi-local asian mongers) could have easily come in and cleared that place out of working women. It seems that even before the raids, soapies were just not doing well talent-wise. So not too surprised to see empty soapies, certainly not thrilled about it either. Really hoping the soapies get better as I prefer daytime action with better looking women than what is at oillies.I agree with you, I'm much more a fan of daytime action at soapies instead of oillies. The girls at soapies are just much better looking on average. And I like soapies over go go bars / cowboy / nana because you get straight to the point. No need to buy drinks or spend time chatting up a girl.
In any case, I went back to Catherine's and La Defense a couple days later. Catherine's was still completely empty. La Defense only had a handful of girls, but they were not bad actually. There are two entrances. One for the fishbowl, and one for sideliners. The fishbowl girls were nothing special. But the sideliners were surprisingly nice, Nataree-style. Young, cute, and not too "pro" looking. There were only about 6 sideliners, but they all looked good. Worth checking out if you're in the area. If anyone goes, let me know what you think. I'm trying to find a replacement for Nataree (RIP) and haven't found anything comparable. All the other soapies I've gone to (Colonze 2, Alaina, Emmanuelle, Lords, etc etc) have sub-par girls. The selection I saw at La Defense this last time was closest, though limited.
Is there a farang surcharge at La Defense?
MichaelSamuel
07-02-16, 20:05
Apparently the owners of a few other massage parlors on Ratchada were silent partners with the owner of Nataree, not silent enough. Even though Alaina massage was found not to have broken any laws, they are closing it down due to the owner's involvement with Nataree. I suspect a few other owners will have a similar problem. Anyways guys, this will improve the freelancer scene greatly. I suspect we will see a huge influx of girls in the clubs as well as the Go go bars. Soi Cowboy and Nana plaza are important tourist dollars for Thailand and will never be influenced too much by crackdowns. For some of you Cheap Charlie's, this will be great news because the prices will drop. Another example is Pattaya. We are seeing raids in many bars but the ones on Walking street always seem to survive because of its tourist dollars. In my eyes this is great news because I love the FL scene.Some more information on Alaina. https://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/alaina-massage-parlour-raided-shutdown/.
Traveler1234
07-03-16, 14:14
I agree with you, I'm much more a fan of daytime action at soapies instead of oillies. The girls at soapies are just much better looking on average. And I like soapies over go go bars / cowboy / nana because you get straight to the point. No need to buy drinks or spend time chatting up a girl.
In any case, I went back to Catherine's and La Defense a couple days later. Catherine's was still completely empty. La Defense only had a handful of girls, but they were not bad actually. There are two entrances. One for the fishbowl, and one for sideliners. Next time, try the Love Boat, next to the old Raddison Hotel (think changed names) on Rama IX. Old favorite of mine years ago. Fishbowl selection is limited but chock full of side-liners. Again, years back no farang surcharge. YMMV.
This is a FR of the recently promoted "Momo" at mango massage. She was heavily advertised as new girl, good massage etc. Her photos didn't look half as bad as well. And as I was particularly keen on not sleeping alone. I picked her for overnight. Was feeling particularly excited esp since I had visited cherry the 2 nights before and had superb service. Expectations were a bit high I have to admit. Lest did I know, the horrors that would partake by choosing this girl.
She arrived 10 minutes late. Okay no biggie. She comes in, flashes a short smile, no warm welcome nothing. Not even a pretense. Then proceeds to walk past me, grabs the remote and switches to a Thai channel, eyes glued to the TV.
I was still trying to take in what just happened. First of, her pictures as why'all probably already guessed was heavily doctored to make it look like she had some fine assets. She didn't. Mediocre at best. She had those curly leg hairs that I once noticed, it was seriously hard to put out of your mind. Its those thick curly leg hairs seem commonly in men.
So, gaining composure. I ran a bath myself. She didn't do a thing. Just sat there watching TV. Now I consider myself a gentleman and I treat women regardless or their occupation with equal dignity. This was just too much.
Still trying to salvage. I decided to make some small talk. Trying to get her comfortable. Caressing her. While she just sat there like a starfish. A dead one. I turned down the volume of the TV. And she turned it up.
Peeved, and the bath almost ready I told her to get in. And she was like wait, I'm watching TV, signaling to the TV (I can't even believe how bad things are turning).
When she eventually gets in the shower. She completely ignores me. And starts playing with the bubbles. With a mountain of patience. I gently caress her. But she continues being a cold fish.
Then comes the massage. Even that she had me lie facing the TV because she wanted to watch it. And it was possibly the worst massage I have ever experienced. She squirted the entire bottle of oil on me. Enough to power a small village. Hated it. Massage was painful. And it was obvious she wanted to delay it so she can watch TV. Asked to to turn around. And she gave a hand job that would bring tears of disappointment to all men. After that "condom?" She asks. No blowjob nothing. Planing to get at least a blowjob I had to signal here to give me one. With much reluctance she did. She shouldn't have. Because it way worse than the hand job. She just licked the tip, used too much teeth and used her hand most of the time. Thoroughly disappointed, asked her to stop and capped my dick and proceeded to pound her. Zero reaction. Her pussy wasn't tight and she was dry as hell even though I tried to stimulate her.
Finally I came, in the condom. Removed it. Washed myself.
Checked the time. Only 1 hour 20 minutes had passed. Couldn't bear be with her any longer. I gave her 3000 baht plus 100 baht (even though it didn't even complete the 2 hour standard outcall time limit) and sent her off. She actually had the nerve to ask "Go now?" because she wanted to watch more TV.
20 year old (she claims).
Face: 4/10.
Body: 4/10.
Attitude: 0/10.
BJ: 2/10.
Massage: 2/10.
WIR: Definitely not.
I'm a 26 year old reasonably fit bloke. This is the worst experience I've had.
Member #4591
07-05-16, 04:14
I would imagine the gals that work at soapies will not be seen in GoGo bars. Perhaps in some FL venues; but remember, most of those gals speak no English and are more comfortable with Asian guys.And don't forget there are many go go bars and g clubs for Thai guys in Bangkok.
This is a FR of the recently promoted "Momo" at mango massage.
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This is the worst experience I've had.This is one of the reason punters secure ladies from establishments. You have recourse. Go to Mango in person and tell the mamasan what happened. Don't be angry or over the top. Just briefly and firmly explain what happened and why you were dissatisfied. I am sure they would want to know as a few ladies with like attitudes can kill a brand in the marketplace. And if she is new maybe she did not get the memo on how to treat customers. You might or might not get satisfaction but worth a try.
FWIW I once had a horrible outcall provider from Devils Den Pattaya. Went to the shop the next day and explained what happened. Ended up getting a gratis redo which was excellent and saved me as a DD customer. The only other time I felt compelled to complain about service was after an incall at Annies; where I was told "next time better" which is code for pound sand farang..
SL.
This is one of the reason punters secure ladies from establishments. You have recourse. Go to Mango in person and tell the mamasan what happened. Don't be angry or over the top. Just briefly and firmly explain what happened and why you were dissatisfied. I am sure they would want to know as a few ladies with like attitudes can kill a brand in the marketplace. And if she is new maybe she did not get the memo on how to treat customers. You might or might not get satisfaction but worth a try.
FWIW I once had a horrible outcall provider from Devils Den Pattaya. Went to the shop the next day and explained what happened. Ended up getting a gratis redo which was excellent and saved me as a DD customer. The only other time I felt compelled to complain about service was after an incall at Annies; where I was told "next time better" which is code for pound sand farang..
SL.Agreed. You need to go to Mango or at least call and tell them what happened. That is completely unacceptable service from a PSE place.
Agreed. You need to go to Mango or at least call and tell them what happened. That is completely unacceptable service from a PSE place.Well, part of the complaint is that she didn't look as good as she did on the website. What do you expect Mango to do about that? Change the photos to make her look uglier? We all know to be sceptical about photos. And another part is that she wanted to watch TV. Thai girls crave an authority figure to tell them what to do. I think the punter here was just too much of a nice guy. He says during the massage 'Even that she had me lie facing the TV because she wanted to watch it. ' If you give a Thai girl the impression of being weak she'll have no respect for you. Personally I would have pulled the plug out of the TV and given her a firm but playful spanking. More than likely she would have quickly got the message. I also can't for the life of me see why anyone would book a girl he'd never met for an overnight session through an oily MP website. Surely a bar or an escort agency where the girls are used to doing that would be a better choice.
So although I have some sympathy with the customer here, I think it should just be a case of lesson learned for him.
Well, part of the complaint is that she didn't look as good as she did on the website. What do you expect Mango to do about that? Change the photos to make her look uglier? We all know to be sceptical about photos. *snip* So although I have some sympathy with the customer here, I think it should just be a case of lesson learned for him.I have zero sympathy for the poster and, while the English is fairly polished, I am deeply skeptical that this is a real post.
Blanquiceleste
07-05-16, 13:06
This is a FR of the recently promoted "Momo" at mango massage.
SNIP
This is the worst experience I've had.What stopped you from sending the girl back immediately? You would have at least not had the agony of wasting 3000 baht for such poor service.
FWIW I once had a horrible outcall provider from Devils Den Pattaya. Went to the shop the next day and explained what happened. Ended up getting a gratis redo which was excellent and saved me as a DD customer. David at DD is a gentleman and he knows how to keep his customers.
Member #4698
07-05-16, 13:11
I also can't for the life of me see why anyone would book a girl he'd never met for an overnight session through an oily MP website. This was my thought exactly and I would add that it is always advantageous to do the girl once or twice on premises before talking it over with HER about a possible outcall.
When I schedule an outcall with an oily massage girl it is because I am fond of her and want to enjoy our time together in a more relaxed and luxurious setting. I always set it up for an early afternoon rendezvous (1pm). I want my girl at her freshest. An overnight with a oily massage girl is problematic for me. I never do it except under very particular circumstances like on her day off. Even the best girl may be tired from a long day at the office and not at her freshest by the time she comes around to see me for an overnight. Generally I think there are better options in BKK for late night.
Asian Rain
07-05-16, 17:58
This is a FR of the recently promoted "Momo" at mango massage. She was heavily advertised as new girl, good massage etc. Her photos didn't look half as bad as well. And as I was particularly keen on not sleeping alone. I picked her for overnight. Was feeling particularly excited esp since I had visited cherry the 2 nights before and had superb service. Expectations were a bit high I have to admit. Lest did I know, the horrors that would partake by choosing this girl.On the positive side, you got the white out. Even a bad cum is pretty good. I see reports of guys getting nothing and still paying something to the girl, which is unacceptable. Now for a reality check.
Girl arrives 10 min late = no sympathy. You would expect the same in Mumbai or Bangalore.
Girl does not look as pretty as her pic = no sympathy. As has been posted many times, photos are heavily photoshopped at nearly all sites. You should have expected this.
Girl picked up the remote and started to do her thing = 50% sympathy. She did a very naughty thing, but some girls will try to get away their naughty behavior. When I have a girl over, the remote is hidden, the mini bar snacks are out of sight and if she grabs anything other than the complementary water I put in the minibar, it is a NO GO unless I say so to grab something else. If the girl did such a thing, I would simply grab the remote and turn the TV off, telling the girl TV time starts AFTER my first cum. If the girl really cares about her program, she will get down to business. If she doesn't, just pick up your mobile and start to call the shop. You won't get to "ha-roooh" before she has your member in her mouth. On the chance that she lets you get to "ha-roooh", inform the shop that you are sending the girl back because she only wants to watch TV. You will probably be asked to put the girl on the line, where she will get a severe bollocking from the Boss and things will fall into line from there.
Others have nailed it. If you aren't running your provider, your provider is running you. Learn from it. Get over it. Get back into the game and manage it better next time. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Franciscass
07-05-16, 23:34
I'm a 26 year old reasonably fit bloke. This is the worst experience I've had.I found this post confusing. I suspect is Rajesh a rank novice. Signs, expecting the girl to look like her site pic and not taking control of the situation immediately. Taking control doesn't mean shagging her 2 minutes after she arrives but it does mean it's your agenda and not hers that drives the encounter. What I found confusing was why the girl would behave as badly as described when she wasn't going to be paid until the session finished. Surely she must know that there was a good chance she would be asked to leave without her fee and reported to the shop and why tip her. Confusing.
This is a FR of the recently promoted "Momo" at mango massage. She was heavily advertised as new girl, good massage etc. Her photos didn't look half as bad as well. And as I was particularly keen on not sleeping alone. I picked her for overnight. Was feeling particularly excited esp since I had visited cherry the 2 nights before and had superb service. Expectations were a bit high I have to admit. Lest did I know, the horrors that would partake by choosing this girl.
She arrived 10 minutes late. Okay no biggie. She comes in, flashes a short smile, no warm welcome nothing. Not even a pretense. Then proceeds to walk past me, grabs the remote and switches to a Thai channel, eyes glued to the TV.
I was still trying to take in what just happened. First of, her pictures as why'all probably already guessed was heavily doctored to make it look like she had some fine assets. She didn't. Mediocre at best. She had those curly leg hairs that I once noticed, it was seriously hard to put out of your mind. Its those thick curly leg hairs seem commonly in men.
So, gaining composure. I ran a bath myself. She didn't do a thing. Just sat there watching TV. Now I consider myself a gentleman and I treat women regardless or their occupation with equal dignity. This was just too much.
Still trying to salvage. I decided to make some small talk. Trying to get her comfortable. Caressing her. While she just sat there like a starfish. A dead one. I turned down the volume of the TV. And she turned it up.
Peeved, and the bath almost ready I told her to get in. And she was like wait, I'm watching TV, signaling to the TV (I can't even believe how bad things are turning).
When she eventually gets in the shower. She completely ignores me. And starts playing with the bubbles. With a mountain of patience. I gently caress her. But she continues being a cold fish.
Then comes the massage. Even that she had me lie facing the TV because she wanted to watch it. And it was possibly the worst massage I have ever experienced. She squirted the entire bottle of oil on me. Enough to power a small village. Hated it. Massage was painful. And it was obvious she wanted to delay it so she can watch TV. Asked to to turn around. And she gave a hand job that would bring tears of disappointment to all men. After that "condom?" She asks. No blowjob nothing. Planing to get at least a blowjob I had to signal here to give me one. With much reluctance she did. She shouldn't have. Because it way worse than the hand job. She just licked the tip, used too much teeth and used her hand most of the time. Thoroughly disappointed, asked her to stop and capped my dick and proceeded to pound her. Zero reaction. Her pussy wasn't tight and she was dry as hell even though I tried to stimulate her.
Finally I came, in the condom. Removed it. Washed myself.
Checked the time. Only 1 hour 20 minutes had passed. Couldn't bear be with her any longer. I gave her 3000 baht plus 100 baht (even though it didn't even complete the 2 hour standard outcall time limit) and sent her off. She actually had the nerve to ask "Go now?" because she wanted to watch more TV.
20 year old (she claims).
Face: 4/10.
Body: 4/10.
Attitude: 0/10.
BJ: 2/10.
Massage: 2/10.
WIR: Definitely not.
I'm a 26 year old reasonably fit bloke. This is the worst experience I've had.This is why I don't do outcall. If there was any of this mullarkey, I would (and have) been down the steps like a shot to change girl.
Hi all,
I'm looking for a little advice. I am heading to Thailand arriving on the Thai Airways flight from London at 0615 in the morning on Tuesday December 27th. Its a flying visit to Thailand I know but I have 2 options. A quick trip or no trip.
What I would really like to do is have a a nice 2-3 hour multi shot session in Bangkok or Snow White and then head on down to Pattaya in the afternoon. I'll be travelling kind of light and I estimate that I will be in Asoke by about 9 am. What I would like is a hotel for a few hours sleep, maybe 9 -12, I don't mind checking out then as I can leave my bag in the hotel and head up to the oilies for a bit of fun. Can anyone help me out with ideas with accommodation? Will a hotel understand what I am on about not wanting to checkin until 9 am? Is there such a thing as a daytime hotel (not a short time hotel) ? As a related query, the oilies don't close over Christmas do they? I imagine it would be peak season. Would noon be a good time to hit Bongkot / Snow / Mango etc?
I also can't for the life of me see why anyone would book a girl he'd never met for an overnight session through an oily MP website.
Yes I can't believe some guys do that. There are so many factors here.
- The pics can be photoshoped or old.
- The girl could be tired or in a bad mood.
- Chemsitry is very important. She may not like you for whatever reason (body type, race, looks, accent).
You need to see the girl in the shop first and I would even advise to try her in the MP for a session or two before taking her for overnight session.
Wolvenvacht
07-06-16, 07:15
Hi all,
I'm looking for a little advice. I am heading to Thailand arriving on the Thai Airways flight from London at 0615 in the morning on Tuesday December 27th. Its a flying visit to Thailand I know but I have 2 options. A quick trip or no trip.
What I would really like to do is have a a nice 2-3 hour multi shot session in Bangkok or Snow White and then head on down to Pattaya in the afternoon. I'll be travelling kind of light and I estimate that I will be in Asoke by about 9 am. What I would like is a hotel for a few hours sleep, maybe 9 -12, I don't mind checking out then as I can leave my bag in the hotel and head up to the oilies for a bit of fun. Can anyone help me out with ideas with accommodation? Will a hotel understand what I am on about not wanting to checkin until 9 am? Is there such a thing as a daytime hotel (not a short time hotel) ? As a related query, the oilies don't close over Christmas do they? I imagine it would be peak season. Would noon be a good time to hit Bongkot / Snow / Mango etc?All hotels will do that! Just book your hotel for the night from 26 to 27 and tell the hotel you will be only arriving in the morning of the 27th and perhaps ask for a late check-out. Given that it is the high season, the hotel may not be interested in a free late check-out but you can try.
Christmas has no special meaning in Thailand. For them it is a purely commercial thing. I have been in Bangkok on Christmas day and all shopping malls were open. I'm sure it is no different for oilies and soapies.
Yes I can't believe some guys do that. There are so many factors here.
- The pics can be photoshoped or old.
- The girl could be tired or in a bad mood.
- Chemsitry is very important. She may not like you for whatever reason (body type, race, looks, accent).
You need to see the girl in the shop first and I would even advise to try her in the MP for a session or two before taking her for overnight session.While I agree with all your points here is isn't like he did something crazy unusual.
When dealing with outcall escort agencies you are picking ladies off the website based on pictures and description. You essentially have 10 minutes from her arrival to pay her in full, or give her cab fare and send her away. Pretty standard practice in BKK and many parts of the world.
And the one thing the established PSE shops should have going for them are provider attitude. It seems agreed; that cornerstone of their business model is slowly eroding.
SL.
Thanks to this site's reports, I just wanted to make a quick report about Bongkot. I went there around 11 ish after dinner and quickly chose Ooi, (I'm sure I'm spelling it very wrong). The rooms are small like Tulip and nothing like those fishbowls like Poseidon.
Ooi is a smallish nymphette, about 25 and has no tits to speak of. Nice tight ass and very enthusiastic in the shower and bed. Great little fuck in pussy and ass, that PSE was definitely real with her. She speaks little to no English and the condoms used were too small. Luckily I had my own. I don't see her in the website so she could've been a temp. Thanks again ISG!
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