Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[Blizz]

Hi Gangles,

Thank you for your comments. I appreciate any feedback or comment, even if they appear to be cynical. It's understandable, as we all have different experiences. I mean, if i meet lots of bad taxi drivers, scamming girls, and get robbed, my opinion might be slightly cynical as well.


I use Cherry Blossom for my dating site, because it has almost the best search engine. By using the search engine, I can be fairly specific about the physical characteristics of the woman I am looking for. Tall, thin, between 25 and 35, no kids.I had a look at CB just now, it seems fine but i do not see that big a difference with Filipiniheart. I think my biggest problem is that i can not easily meet the girls on those datingsites. Any contact now, can only be followed up with a in person meeting several months later.

Oh well, need to think about that one.., anyone have a job for me in Phil?

Ciao,

Blizz

[Bill Buxton]

I guess I don't under stand why all the hype on giving away a few bucks after a good time. I could be getting older but where is the line between respect and acting a fool? I know when I was dating here in the US i tried to be respectful to the prospective gals I wanted to date. This is not a prerequisite by them just common sense and manners. I am sure most gals from anywhere don't like hanging with a guy that burps,farts,stinks looks and dresses like a slob. Why would you wanna be with a wonderful young and nice gal here and act an ass like some do?

My first trip over in 2004 my friend who is living in subic gave me some advise. He said you can do whatever you want here its ok. If you have a gf have some gals on the side, they don't care what you do. Well, that's why he is broke, drinking a vat of liquor a day, feeding all the relatives, and getting ginn bottles bounced off his head on a regular basis. He acts like a fool and his wife makes sure he pays the price for his actions.

OK who would spend the night with any gal and then offer "her" a gal that just "bonked" your nasty ass 200-p? PRO non PRO who would give a nice respectful gal 4 dollars for a wonderful night? I seem to see all the guys that have moved from other parts of the world and living here acting like a cheep sob. I here all the reasons, they don't need or deserve any more than that, you cant give to much it ruins things for the next guy. Who cares about the next guy? I am sure he don't care about me!

Again, I am guilty of becoming cheaper with the cash than I was on the first few trips over here. The fact is, what do you get for 10-20 bucks at home? What gal would want to date you and care for you if you were sick for 20-30 bucks like they would here. Its not even worth talking about its insulting frankly that people bi/// about what most things cost here. Sure if you wanna stay in a good hotel its about the same as home, if you wanna eat steak its more than a regular meal. If you wanna make a statement and have the biggest house in town that costs lots also. Who in his right mind would wanna be called the "cheapest guy" around living here? not me that's for sure. Word travels around her like shit through a goose and if its a lie its even faster. IO would like to know "who is asking for money" I don't get that here. OK sure I get the 20-50-p stuff but who cares if I need help I always get that back plus. Its not such a big deal, its not like Manila,AC, and other places.

Here people take notice of little things and rank us on the things they see. I here people have asked when I was just a 2-3 month guy here "what did you eat when he was here on his vacation"? They were talking to my sister or brother in law and wanting to compare notes. The reply was, "whatever he ate we ate". The reason this is noted is because many perspective bf"s go visit the gals family and will not eat what the family eats. They send the gal to buy food not for all but for themselves, and don't offer anything to them. Now please, In what setting would anyone do that?????? The fools think the people here don't see and feel what they are and how they are? When I get back from a trip I spend 3000-p each for a pig, and then 500-p for charcoal and let them cook the pig. They cook the thing and then all the neighbors get some meat and everyone is a happy camper. Whats this gonna cost at home 4-5 hundred bucks?
Like I said before they"most guys" get off the aircraft in Manila and leave there brain on board, never using it when they should.

I feel if the going rate is 200-p a day"carpenter,painter" why not pay 350-400-p a day? After all you want service right, you want that guy to be back in the AM to paint or fix the roof. You could not hire anyone in the US to do anything from raking leaves to painting a house for less than $20 -1000-p per hour. I just would like to know why all the moaning about having a gal treat you like a king all night and then worry about $15-30 bucks the next day. And who Care's who gets that cash, she earned the money so she can spend it how she wants. If she spends it on the family she is more often than not a good gal not a fleece type, spending on herself.

Until you find the right gal here and do right by her you will never have the 100% trust from her and the family. If you wanna act an ass and whack everything that walks you will reap the whirlwind from her and the family and should. There is not a hands down difference between normal actions and the way most act here "foreigners". The biggest things are that most are not rich, and most don't have any respect for anyone including themselves.

Could be that's why they seem to migrate here.

B.B.

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[Starchild2012]

Until you find the right gal here and do right by her you will never have the 100% trust from her and the family. If you wanna act an ass and whack everything that walks you will reap the whirlwind from her and the family and should. There is not a hands down difference between normal actions and the way most act here "foreigners". The biggest things are that most are not rich, and most don't have any respect for anyone including themselves.

Could be that's why they seem to migrate here.

B.B.



Very well said BB...only issue is that there are scammers who are spread across the net to catch disheartened, love less men from all over the world and make them give money and in return give them false love.

I have fallen many times over in the trickery at first, as you said a fine line between being a fool and respect...these are very intelligent street smart girls, they give you a sense of respect at the same time they are fooling you..a perfect long con.

Unfortunately, newbies fall easily to the trick and for the rest of the time, they have this false image of all Philippines being bad, unless one lives here for some months, it not easy to find nicer women and they are in plenty.

Filipina con looks so convincing is the reason that these con women adapt the good quality of nicer women from the Philippines and use it for their advantage.

One only have to meet a good Filipina to know this, people would be forever confused which one is real and which one is con..its thats subtle.

I think this paradox will never go away, people will continue to get conned and after some time people get out of it and find true love.

The way to heaven is through hell.

I'm going to write how Americans could live an Asian life and live the real dream :)

[Starchild2012]

There is this perennial debate on money matters and how much one should spend on women in Asia.

Here is my attempt to understand why people from America and EU have different views on money.

Being from a developing country, i have many advantages over the developed nations mongers.

I always compensate for giving away money to girls, which some feel as too much by never paying taxes back home, i save 30% of my money every year this way.

I would understand why Americans/EU have so much problems with regards to spending money in a developing nations when 1 dollar would be worth 40 times over.

IRS is on their tail for lifelong, they cant get enough generic medicine, can't buy over the counter drugs, can't eat rice all the time, need AC all night long to sleep, eating burger all year long would be expensive, most need car, most of them need a maid, they need to have insurance for everything for UK folks medical is free yet taxes are high, they cant live on vegetarian food all year long.

Now, I'm from India, middle class, normal online job, i buy Cialis for less than 20 pesos, could eat rice all year long, sleep without A/c.... i hate A/c, i only switch it on when the girl is in my room, yet after the deed i sleep in my dining room.

No body cares about the taxes from a ordinary guy like me in India, the tax folks go after super rich or corporate fraudsters while its opposite in USA, in US, its the ordinary folks who suffer from taxes while the rich and corporates get away.

I don't need insurance to get admitted to hospital, i could go to drugs.com and search for my symptoms and get the medicine from store...which i do it here also, i did my dental thingy for less than 2000 pesos which would have cost more than 3000 USD.

If i get life sick, i don't have to pay 500 dollars to get 911 emergency ambulance, i could get admitted for free in a government hospital addmittedly with a crappy service, yet i will live for another day.

Due to my upbringing i could eat rice all year long and its cheap, very cheap and healthy, i could live on vegetarian food all year long, i eat non veg too, so i don't have any issues living here, i never had insurance for anything in my life, i save on premium, if i don't feel like going out, i cook, i clean, i wash all myself, cos not out of necessity but of a way of life or being no big deal...just like watching tv.

I admit living in India is hard.... very hard and it is corrupt, but with some of the life stories and economic conditions that i hear from folks from west and then whining to the end about how much one should spend, it made me re think on India being that bad with what goes on with folks coming from US which is the richest country in the world and yet whining about spending 10 dollars on a girl from a poor third world country who just sucked his dick.

It just does not add up, i should be the one who should be complaining..while most of the Asians spend more freely than western folks.

I noticed i saved a lot of money on electricity, on non veg foods, vehicle, on insurance, on medicine, on taxes..its like more than half of savings for what a western guy would have to give and when i spend that on girls which i think is normal but not so normal for western folks...i could see the reason why.

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Those who complain that we Asians spend a lot on women must understand, most of us don't pay taxes, can buy medicine over the counter without seeing a doctor, don't need insurance for doing shit, we eat RICE, we don't use fuel and electricity as much as you folks do. we save lot of money unknowingly for what you consider as overpaying.

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I don't think Americans will start living on Rice anytime soon :) or will give up on insurance and fight the IRS.

But i think, if you plan on enjoying Asian women, why not change lifestyle bit by bit.

Just eating rice twice a week for a year would save you thousands of dollars in burgers, meat and steaks.

Try living on veg for one time a week for a year, savings of thousand dollars more, goto drugs.com, search Google with your symptoms self diagnose, go to mercury drug buy generic and cure yourself...i know i know heard a lot of you ain't a doctor thing...im doing it and i'm all good..once you start..you will know there is so much info on the net you don't need a docter for most of the STD's :D

Why not move some of your money to Asian country, enjoy on 8% interest on your deposit and spend more money on what you love.

Yet its not all rosy here, we all know the problems, but i feel, you folks overspend on many things which could be cut down just like you feel we overspend on girls..

[Bill Buxton]

There is this perennial debate on money matters and how much one should spend on women in Asia.

Here is my attempt to understand why people from America and EU have different views on money.

Being from a developing country, i have many advantages over the developed nations mongers.

I always compensate for giving away money to girls, which some feel as too much by never paying taxes back home, i save 30% of my money every year this way.

I would understand why Americans/EU have so much problems with regards to spending money in a developing nations when 1 dollar would be worth 40 times over.

IRS is on their tail for lifelong, they cant get enough generic medicine, can't buy over the counter drugs, can't eat rice all the time, need AC all night long to sleep, eating burger all year long would be expensive, most need car, most of them need a maid, they need to have insurance for everything for UK folks medical is free yet taxes are high, they cant live on vegetarian food all year long.

Now, I'm from India, middle class, normal online job, i buy Cialis for less than 20 pesos, could eat rice all year long, sleep without A/c.... i hate A/c, i only switch it on when the girl is in my room, yet after the deed i sleep in my dining room.

No body cares about the taxes from a ordinary guy like me in India, the tax folks go after super rich or corporate fraudsters while its opposite in USA, in US, its the ordinary folks who suffer from taxes while the rich and corporates get away.

I don't need insurance to get admitted to hospital, i could go to drugs.com and search for my symptoms and get the medicine from store...which i do it here also, i did my dental thingy for less than 2000 pesos which would have cost more than 3000 USD.

If i get life sick, i don't have to pay 500 dollars to get 911 emergency ambulance, i could get admitted for free in a government hospital addmittedly with a crappy service, yet i will live for another day.

Due to my upbringing i could eat rice all year long and its cheap, very cheap and healthy, i could live on vegetarian food all year long, i eat non veg too, so i don't have any issues living here, i never had insurance for anything in my life, i save on premium, if i don't feel like going out, i cook, i clean, i wash all myself, cos not out of necessity but of a way of life or being no big deal...just like watching tv.

I admit living in India is hard.... very hard and it is corrupt, but with some of the life stories and economic conditions that i hear from folks from west and then whining to the end about how much one should spend, it made me re think on India being that bad with what goes on with folks coming from US which is the richest country in the world and yet whining about spending 10 dollars on a girl from a poor third world country who just sucked his dick.

It just does not add up, i should be the one who should be complaining..while most of the Asians spend more freely than western folks.

I noticed i saved a lot of money on electricity, on non veg foods, vehicle, on insurance, on medicine, on taxes..its like more than half of savings for what a western guy would have to give and when i spend that on girls which i think is normal but not so normal for western folks...i could see the reason why.

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Those who complain that we Asians spend a lot on women must understand, most of us don't pay taxes, can buy medicine over the counter without seeing a doctor, don't need insurance for doing shit, we eat RICE, we don't use fuel and electricity as much as you folks do. we save lot of money unknowingly for what you consider as overpaying.

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I don't think Americans will start living on Rice anytime soon :) or will give up on insurance and fight the IRS.

But i think, if you plan on enjoying Asian women, why not change lifestyle bit by bit.

Just eating rice twice a week for a year would save you thousands of dollars in burgers, meat and steaks.

Try living on veg for one time a week for a year, savings of thousand dollars more, goto drugs.com, search Google with your symptoms self diagnose, go to mercury drug buy generic and cure yourself...i know i know heard a lot of you ain't a doctor thing...im doing it and i'm all good..once you start..you will know there is so much info on the net you don't need a docter for most of the STD's :D

Why not move some of your money to Asian country, enjoy on 8% interest on your deposit and spend more money on what you love.

Yet its not all rosy here, we all know the problems, but i feel, you folks overspend on many things which could be cut down just like you feel we overspend on girls..You are right, nice post I have seen the light that you have talked about here. Its easy to be cynical here but rice is not all that bad every night. And the AC requirement don't cost all that much, its my only frill. Cars are cheep but then again who wants to drive in Manila anyway? I feel better when I am here most of the time, better than I do in my own country. Must be the clean province air and the fish heads for dinner. I don't live like Donald Trump in the US but he don't have a thing on me here. Its a nice change from all the day to day stress in the west. You never here me yakking about the overnight guests for 10-20 bucks, quiet please, lets keep this a secret.

B.B.

[Yellow Fever #2]

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=926204&postcount=4516


My dear friends, I write you these lines to ask you for some good advises. Feel free to write here your opinions in the most open way, since I am old enough to understand that any opinion is a good opinion. I hope that this thread is the correct one where to post this discussion. If not, please, Jackson, move it where you consider it more proper.

The point is that I am planning to marry a babe met in a bar in Angeles. And my question is: is that a good idea or not? Before replying, please, read till the bottom.

I give you here few honest details so that you can understand the whole situation and tell me what you think according to your experiences.

The report about my days in Angeles is number 4147 of 3rd July this year

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=900169&postcount=4147

in the Angeles thread, and you can read it to have a general idea. What I can add here is that I have considered very well the days I spent with her and I found her very nice and sweet and caring. So, since I am planning to marry again anyway and I have just closed with my gf here, I am considering this option too.

About her: she is about 25 years younger. She never asked me money in Angeles nor later. I never asked her to leave her job there. Few weeks after I was back home, she left the bar life because of some arguing with her mamasan and colleagues. At the moment she works as a nanny. And when I spoke to her of my idea she said it is fine. And, what is very important to me, agreed to have no kids, since I do not want any troubles with the ones I already have.

About me: my financial position is not great but good enough to support her in the first period. She wants to work and she is ready to be a nanny here too, the sort of job for a girl like her can easily find in this part of the world. Of course I like her a lot and I had the time to see that she can be a good partner, too.

In these three months we exchanged few very nice mails and phone calls. When I told her about my plan, she honestly and openly told me her story: an usual story of this kind of situation. She also added she had already been in Angeles years ago for few months. She left the bar because of a Westerner guy who promised her everything and gave her money to go to school again and then suddenly disappeared. And she also told me of a former Pilipino boyfriend who deceived her.

In few days we are meeting again (I am going to Philippines again after few days spent in Thailand) to speak seriously about this matter. My idea is to marry in late 2011 and also to make her signing a very clear pre-marriage agreement with possible divorce conditions.

Now your turn. Feel free, but serious, please.

Thanks a lot,

SE


You call yourself 'Smart European'. In general taking the girl from the bar is not the smart thing to do. Just be ware.

Buledaddy, has something to say about your prenup here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=926489&postcount=4522


And I wouldn't trust a pinoy DNA test. They'd definately skew it to work for her!! You would need to take her to Bangkok's Bumugrad hospital and have the test done there along with "other" blood work. BTW, prenups are basically null and void in the US because there are an army of pinoy pock faced abagados (Lawyers) who specialize in working Uncle Sam's liberal system. Probably the same in the UK. These lawyers are always getting the max for the lady. They specialize in taking away an old geezer's estate from the heirs, having a lady marry a retired military guy just before he dies so she can get his pension for the rest of her life. They will be assisting the lady in her credit card bankruptcy after stiffing creditors for 10's or 100's of thousands. They are best at convincing the courtroom that this poor lady signed the prenup under duress and didn't understand what she was signing. She'll pretend she no speak engree. If you have it done in Tagalog she will claim to not understand it, that she speaks Vicayan or Ilocanan. If you are 10+ years older than her the court will want to make an unpleasant example of you so others will stay here with the "BIG HOMEGURL" lady and suffer. This goes for all western countries but in particular the US. Better to leave her there. Rent not buy real estate for her. Keep the payments down to rent, food, loads and trips to the province. IMHO

I wish you success in your endeavor, but be wary. SE, you seem to have some doubts already by your insistance on the prenup. Do you doubt yourself or do you doubt the girl?

Are you really ready to give up your mongering ways for this simple girl?

If you are serious about this girl, you should consider to stay with her in the PI. Your money will go much further and you may actually enjoy the lifestyle here. She will certainly be happier.

Are you going to take care of her families needs? I don't think you should but she may have different ideas.

Let the discussion begin....

Yellow Fever

[Sammon]

There is this perennial debate on money matters and how much one should spend on women in Asia.

Here is my attempt to understand why people from America and EU have different views on money.

Being from a developing country, i have many advantages over the developed nations mongers.

I always compensate for giving away money to girls, which some feel as too much by never paying taxes back home, i save 30% of my money every year this way.

I would understand why Americans/EU have so much problems with regards to spending money in a developing nations when 1 dollar would be worth 40 times over.

IRS is on their tail for lifelong, they cant get enough generic medicine, can't buy over the counter drugs, can't eat rice all the time, need AC all night long to sleep, eating burger all year long would be expensive, most need car, most of them need a maid, they need to have insurance for everything for UK folks medical is free yet taxes are high, they cant live on vegetarian food all year long.

Now, I'm from India, middle class, normal online job, i buy Cialis for less than 20 pesos, could eat rice all year long, sleep without A/c.... i hate A/c, i only switch it on when the girl is in my room, yet after the deed i sleep in my dining room.

No body cares about the taxes from a ordinary guy like me in India, the tax folks go after super rich or corporate fraudsters while its opposite in USA, in US, its the ordinary folks who suffer from taxes while the rich and corporates get away.

I don't need insurance to get admitted to hospital, i could go to drugs.com and search for my symptoms and get the medicine from store...which i do it here also, i did my dental thingy for less than 2000 pesos which would have cost more than 3000 USD.

If i get life sick, i don't have to pay 500 dollars to get 911 emergency ambulance, i could get admitted for free in a government hospital addmittedly with a crappy service, yet i will live for another day.

Due to my upbringing i could eat rice all year long and its cheap, very cheap and healthy, i could live on vegetarian food all year long, i eat non veg too, so i don't have any issues living here, i never had insurance for anything in my life, i save on premium, if i don't feel like going out, i cook, i clean, i wash all myself, cos not out of necessity but of a way of life or being no big deal...just like watching tv.

I admit living in India is hard.... very hard and it is corrupt, but with some of the life stories and economic conditions that i hear from folks from west and then whining to the end about how much one should spend, it made me re think on India being that bad with what goes on with folks coming from US which is the richest country in the world and yet whining about spending 10 dollars on a girl from a poor third world country who just sucked his dick.

It just does not add up, i should be the one who should be complaining..while most of the Asians spend more freely than western folks.

I noticed i saved a lot of money on electricity, on non veg foods, vehicle, on insurance, on medicine, on taxes..its like more than half of savings for what a western guy would have to give and when i spend that on girls which i think is normal but not so normal for western folks...i could see the reason why.

===================

Those who complain that we Asians spend a lot on women must understand, most of us don't pay taxes, can buy medicine over the counter without seeing a doctor, don't need insurance for doing shit, we eat RICE, we don't use fuel and electricity as much as you folks do. we save lot of money unknowingly for what you consider as overpaying.

======================

I don't think Americans will start living on Rice anytime soon :) or will give up on insurance and fight the IRS.

But i think, if you plan on enjoying Asian women, why not change lifestyle bit by bit.

Just eating rice twice a week for a year would save you thousands of dollars in burgers, meat and steaks.

Try living on veg for one time a week for a year, savings of thousand dollars more, goto drugs.com, search Google with your symptoms self diagnose, go to mercury drug buy generic and cure yourself...i know i know heard a lot of you ain't a doctor thing...im doing it and i'm all good..once you start..you will know there is so much info on the net you don't need a docter for most of the STD's :D

Why not move some of your money to Asian country, enjoy on 8% interest on your deposit and spend more money on what you love.

Yet its not all rosy here, we all know the problems, but i feel, you folks overspend on many things which could be cut down just like you feel we overspend on girls..

Living in USA we develop a sense to protect our property and our money in any eventuality. There is no safety net for middle and upper class people. Only way you can get free housing, food stamps and medical care is if you are dirt poor , Specifically total assets should be less than $2000 for medical care and $1000 for free housing.
So we try to buy all sorts of insurance so that in any emergence we are covered and we need not dip into our savings. Also we have developed a sense of self reliance as as not to get help from the government or other organisation as much as possible.
Yes, We value money in the sense it gives us independance and with carefull budgeting we will able to hold our head high. Spending less or money depends on the personality. Some will spend more on girls and other for food and vice versa. Generally Americans are meat and potato guys and not rice and more rice guys.
In the mongeroing business most of the people budget wisely and ofcourse like anything else go offtrack few times.

[Lustforthrust]

Quite a perspective there BL5.

A few points to note:

Healthy food costs more than junk food. Rice, vegetables, fruit, beans, won't be cheap.

Millions of people, not only from the 3rd world, but also from the not-so-newly independent Soviet states are dying to immigrate to the USA; live the American dream (some might call be being enslaved by mortgage, Equifax, car etc.)

Tens of thousands of Americans are dying to find expat jobs in countries (Saudi Arabia), that offer no freedoms that they so cherish.

In addition to the "life, liberty & the pursuit...." thing one thing that America has going for it that even the other "Western democracies" do NOT have is the chance to start over, and start over again and again. It's the great American bankruptcy court. Think Donald Trump.

That is why most Americans are 1 paycheck away from bankruptcy. Or maybe that is why they have such bankruptcy laws.

[FreebieFan]

Quite a perspective there BL5.

A few points to note:

Tens of thousands of Americans are dying to find expat jobs in countries (Saudi Arabia), that offer no freedoms that they so cherish.

That is why most Americans are 1 paycheck away from bankruptcy. Or maybe that is why they have such bankruptcy laws.They should be very careful of what they wish for. I worked there and altho the Phils is truly messed up, no where is more seriously messed up than Saudi. Its the unwiped ass of the world.

[FreebieFan]

Have a chat mate in a southern city. Think shes 22. 4th year nursing student. Used to look great in a bikini, but haven't seen her latest bikini pic in a while.

Anyways were chatting today, and her bf has recently been killed. He was working in security in Iraq.

Totally loveless and in total need of a GOOD bf.

Not a one night romp etc from a player (as we all are)

If there are any contenders, send me PM. But I will not pass on her name to you, unless you can categorically state that you are not a player. She needs a stable guy. Now its highly likely that there are none around. This I understand.

[SmartEuropean]

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=926204&postcount=4516

You call yourself 'Smart European'. In general taking the girl from the bar is not the smart thing to do. Just be ware.

Buledaddy, has something to say about your prenup here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=926489&postcount=4522

I wish you success in your endeavor, but be wary. SE, you seem to have some doubts already by your insistance on the prenup. Do you doubt yourself or do you doubt the girl?

Are you really ready to give up your mongering ways for this simple girl?

If you are serious about this girl, you should consider to stay with her in the PI. Your money will go much further and you may actually enjoy the lifestyle here. She will certainly be happier.

Are you going to take care of her families needs? I don't think you should but she may have different ideas.

Let the discussion begin....

Yellow FeverThanks a lot you all for your notes.

About the statement that it is not wise to take a bar girl, I fully agree. The point is that (maybe I am stupid and naive) I do not consider her a real bar girl. She has been there once for short time and then was happy to leave it to go back to school (assuming that what she told me is true) and also this second time (where I have personal evidence of her acts) she was there for few weeks only and I did not ask her to leave it nor send her money, but she left it and now she has a normal, underpaid, job. And she never ever asked me money.

About the prenup. I see what you mean, BD. But I do not see why the Dna test should be made there and not in my Country. Second, I do not see why she should be pregnant if she takes pills. Third, the laws and lawyers situation in Europe is a bit different from USA. Even if I am experienced enough to know the lawyers world and I well see the risk.

For YF. Well, to be honest, I feel to trust her but this idea of the prenup is what you might call a safety net which is better to have than to have not. This has to do with my general attitude, which is very cautious. I doubt myself? Of course. Who knows what happens tomorrow? You know the saying? Act as you should die tomorrow and think as you should live forever.

Still to be honest, I am not totally sure to leave mongering for this simple girl. It is what I have done even in my previous (normal) marriage and what I have done in my "single" years, even if I had most of the time a good and stable relationship with European girls. I think that I might diminish my mongering but I also consider how nice it might be to come back from my "job trip" and find a sweet babe at home waiting for me. Last but not least, I am not getting any younger and my mongering dead line is approaching anyway. And so just "travelling" with her should be nice. But stay with her in the PI is quite impossible. First because I still have here a job, a good job I cannot move abroad and then, after my retiring, all my life, my friends and my sons are still here. And I do not want to leave them.

About her family needs. I do not think it is my responsibility. And I think that, since her plan is to work here, she can do whatever she likes with her money. I am not asking her to support me or our home, I am going to give her the basic needs and all the money she can make is for her. But of course this is one of the point we must openly discuss when I will meet her again next month.

Anyway I want to thank you all for your nice contributions to this discussion. It is very helpful to me.

SE

[FreebieFan]

on last trip saw a lady who i took to my room, and spent an ok night with but nothing special. kicked her out in the morning so i could do some work. average lady but with good heart and works in a store.

a few days later i get a whole series of sms, that started normal then became very desperate.

started with. " it hurts when i [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) "

moved onto " i haven't had sex with anyone for 3.5 years so that must be why it hurts"

then onto " i've never seen a condom before. you didn't tell me you were going to use a condom. that must have damaged my pussy"

then became " i've just been to the doctor and he says i have urinary infection. he says the condom caused it.

and the final one. " as your condom caused this, please can you send p5000 for the medication.

sure honey.!

my replies were more factual.

1. million of condoms are used daily all around the world, except in some countries such as phils.

2. your doc should be struck off the medical register for stating a condom can cause a urinary infection. it can aggravate an exisiting situation, but ask your doc where and why urinary infections occur. very very very commn amongst women whether they have sex or not. maybe he doesn't know this.

3. when we meet again, we can talk about whether i make a contribution or not.

[Yellow Fever #2]

Thanks a lot you all for your notes.
Still to be honest, I am not totally sure to leave mongering for this simple girl. It is what I have done even in my previous (normal) marriage and what I have done in my "single" years, even if I had most of the time a good and stable relationship with European girls. I think that I might diminish my mongering but I also consider how nice it might be to come back from my "job trip" and find a sweet babe at home waiting for me. Last but not least, I am not getting any younger and my mongering dead line is approaching anyway.

SE,

I am surprised there were not more comments from the forum regarding your post. I hope that other members can add their opinions too.

I really doubt you will ever leave mongering. It was only a thought. I don't think I could ever leave mongering either.

Your difference this time, compared to your past European gfs and wife, is that your PI girls KNOWS you are a monger. She will have her radar tuned to you but I hope she will also know not to rock the boat.

In fact they are bar girls, we are their customers. We are not much different from them.

Good luck in your adventure.

Yellow Fever

[ThatGuy865]

Just another thought for you SE. I think your biggest concern should be that once you have brought her back to your country. Once she has assimilated, gotten a feel of the independence that you are talking about giving her. (The ability to get a job and work there) giving her an income that is more than she could have ever expected in the PI.

What makes you think, after a year or two, That she will not leave you for a younger man in your country. I have seen this happen more often than I can count. They marry an older man, and tell him what he wants to hear. "No sweetheart, I don't want babies either". She will change her mind because family is everything to filipinos

You are 25 years older than her. Seriously how long do you think thats going to last.

Every young guy she encounters will be passing her phone numbers. She will meet other girls her age who will no doubt be telling her "Why are you with him". "You have your green card, you are legal, leave now".

In the PI. You would not be an unusual couple. But in Europe. "Mail order bride" is the first thing people are going to think. Any guy who has been to Thailand or PI will think. Yeah he snatched a freak and brought her back.

The fact that she left AC once and came back to work again. Tells you she doesn't have a problem selling ass, and only stops when she thinks she has her a man she thinks is going to marry her. I bet if you told her it was off. She'd be right back in AC within 3 mths. Selling that ass again.

If not why didn't she take this low paying job in the first place. Why did she go back to selling ass at all.

[FreebieFan]

Thanks a lot you all for your notes.

\Still to be honest, I am not totally sure to leave mongering for this simple girl. It is what I have done even in my previous (normal) marriage and what I have done in my "single" years, even if I had most of the time a good and stable relationship with European girls. I think that I might diminish my mongering but I also consider how nice it might be to come back from my "job trip" and find a sweet babe at home waiting for me. Last but not least, I am not getting any younger and my mongering dead line is approaching anyway. And so just "travelling" with her should be nice.

SEThe mongering deadline.? I truly hope there isn't one.

I remember once sitting in an Angeles bar, and next to be was an old bloke. Must have been 80+. Had 2-3 pretty girls with him telling him he was handsome. (better than hearing " "Oh Sir, you are so wrinkly LOL ")

I asked him why he was there.

He said " Son, I can't get it up any more BUT my eyes still work and my brain still works and I can still imagine how great it would be to be with these young ladies. "

And thats why I hope theres no mongering deadline. Imagine saying " Game Over.

[Warbucks]

If you wanna act an ass and whack everything that walks.
This describes a lot of us on this board….we are promiscuous or the term of endearment mongers.


Could be that's why they seem to migrate here. I don’t know what type of guys would move here or anywhere for pussy only.


Being from a developing country, i have many advantages over the developed nations mongers.



IRS is on their tail for lifelong, they cant get enough generic medicine, can't buy over the counter drugs, can't eat rice all the time, need AC all night long to sleep, eating burger all year long would be expensive, most need car, most of them need a maid, they need to have insurance for everything for UK folks medical is free yet taxes are high, they cant live on vegetarian food all year long.

IRS:

I earn my money overseas and I live overseas so I am tax exempt up to $80,000 and a lot of other Americans I know are also. If you stay out of the US for 330 days you qualify for this.

http://www.escapeartist.com/Offshore_Webhosting/Zero_Taxes_4Expats.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_exemption

AC:

The AC is a must. Who wants to sit inside their Manila condo or home and sweat all day?

Food:

If you grew up on cereal and oriental noodles and then managed to land a decent job why not treat yourself to some decent food every once in a while? Who wants to live off nuts and green leaves like a Rabbit just to save a few dollars? I mean if your health conscious that’s different but doing this to save money?

A Car:

In Metro a Manila a car is a financial and safety liability but it offers a priceless convenience of privacy.

Maid:

Cleans the house. Cooks, Washes and irons clothes. Washes the dishes, cuts the grass, and washes the car. I pay what I would spend on drinks in one night a month here for these services.

Insurance:

Let’s say you were hospitalized with something that was going to cost a substantial amount of money or you had an unexpected death. There are few people who have money lying around to handle this type of situation. That is why you need for insurance.


Now, I'm from India, middle class, normal online job, i buy Cialis for less than 20 pesos, could eat rice all year long, sleep without A/c.... i hate A/c, i only switch it on when the girl is in my room, yet after the deed i sleep in my dining room.

I am from America’s most murderous slum. Now that I got lucky managed to land a decent job I try not to subject myself to those living conditions again. Viagra and Cialis don’t need it yet but when the dick does go limp that is my body telling me time to lay off the pussy and I usually listen.


If i get life sick, i don't have to pay 500 dollars to get 911 emergency ambulance, i could get admitted for free in a government hospital addmittedly with a crappy service, yet i will live for another day.

America’s hospitals for the poor are shit and the treatment one receives especially if you are the wrong color is shameful but I won’t go into that now.


I admit living in India is hard.... very hard and it is corrupt,
What you do think the American ghettos are like?


i hear from folks from west and then whining to the end about how much one should spend,

Not I. I would never tell another man how to spend his money but to each his own.

it made me re think on India being that bad with what goes on with folks coming from US which is the richest country in the world

Have you ever been to the States? If so have you ever hung out with poor people from the States?


It just does not add up, i should be the one who should be complaining..while most of the Asians spend more freely than western folks.

Not really. You said you work online. Some of us go to more extremes for a salary so one who earns his money in a difficult manner would be wise to spend it more judiciously. I watch foreign guys from developing countries spend money like water all the time and vice versa but again this comes to individual habits. When I first got my job I bought everything expensive and shiny that came to my mind but I am becoming more frugal the last few years I guess it is what you could call growing up.


You will know there is so much info on the net you don't need a doctor for most of the STD's :D

Have no plans of catching STDs…. Crown condoms.


Why not move some of your money to Asian country, enjoy on 8% interest on your deposit and spend more money on what you love.

Move my hard earned money to the unstable governments of third world countries? No thank you.


SE,

I am surprised there were not more comments from the forum regarding your post....

Because YF I think the board is just tired of the old… “Man meets hooker, man falls in love with hooker“Scenario. These guys know its goes against everything that is ingrained that is why they come here and ask for advice. First thing who wants to marry some used and abused pussy? Second thing who wants to marry a woman who probably has the intelligence of a western 13 year old?

If you must find a wife here. How about trying to meet some women in the gyms or going to those archaic halls of human masses… Churches. Just simply a woman who has a college degree and is away from that “selling ass” lifestyle.

I would even go a step a further and say if you’re looking for a wife one would be best found in a your native country…She doesn’t has to be the same race as one prominent racist member of the PI board keeps stressing to me but the same economic social status as yourself would be nice. A woman who has something to offer other than looks companionship and sex.

When you trade that bargirl/third world woman for a western woman you may gain one who is simple, beautiful, docile (puts up with your bullshit, which is why most of us are divorced from western women) and affectionate but in most cases you will lose financial assistance, someone who can understand you….mentally, emotionally and physically, basically a person who is your equal. These third world first world relationships tend to border on institutionalized prostitution.

[FreebieFan]

Have a chat mate in a southern city. Think shes 22. 4th year nursing student. Used to look great in a bikini, but haven't seen her latest bikini pic in a while.

Anyways were chatting today, and her bf has recently been killed. He was working in security in Iraq.

Totally loveless and in total need of a GOOD bf.

If there are any contenders, send me PM. But I will not pass on her name to you, unless you can categorically state that you are not a player. She needs a stable guy. Now its highly likely that there are none around. This I understand.So I wrote this yesterday. And one guy contacted me.

His ym name is Marco at home. And what did the sad fellow with the brain of a pygmy do... but contact the girl, copy and paste my entire post then ask her if shes lonely.

Maybe Im not the brightest match in the box, but even I could have seen that a significantly better approach would have been to contact the girl with a smart unusual funny chat line, get chatting and then let her tell him how she was loveless.
But oh no pygmy brain Marco ( who maybe at home but whos brain is clearly not on ) embarassed me , and her with his cut and paste skills.

A plonker of the first order is the kindest way to describe him.

An absolute tosser is another. Reading this Marco.?

[Lustforthrust]

India is a very stable 3rd world country and for a corrupt country, it has exceptionally well regulated capital markets. You cannot not be in Indian stocks this century. Not China, India.

China has instituted the death penalty for economic crimes and as of this year it applies to d u i homicide.

[X Man]

Warbucks (aka D'etat, aka Illogic) this is the Filipinas thread, so why you yakking away about shitholes in the good ole usa?

Sidenote: I voted for Obama, hope he get's that health plan rolling, hope, hope hope, all kinds of shit.... what you hopping for man?

"endearment monger"? Somehow I don't think that is in your often quoted Urban dictionary. I hate the word "monger" anyway. Fishmonger? I'm a lover of fine women regardless of how I aquire them.

Also, you never have to allude to me in some backhanded way like you did when you were talking about Filipinas in Japan. Why? Just say X MAN, its a friggin anonymous name anyway. In the message I quoted below, you allude to someone else who seems to have made racists comments to you. That wasn't me, obviously, but how the hell would anyone else know that. Try to be fair, even if you hate me.

X



This describes a lot of us on this board….we are promiscuous or the term of endearment mongers.

I don’t know what type of guys would move here or anywhere for pussy only.





IRS:

I earn my money overseas and I live overseas so I am tax exempt up to $80,000 and a lot of other Americans I know are also. If you stay out of the US for 330 days you qualify for this.

http://www.escapeartist.com/Offshore_Webhosting/Zero_Taxes_4Expats.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_exemption

AC:

The AC is a must. Who wants to sit inside their Manila condo or home and sweat all day?

Food:

If you grew up on cereal and oriental noodles and then managed to land a decent job why not treat yourself to some decent food every once in a while? Who wants to live off nuts and green leaves like a Rabbit just to save a few dollars? I mean if your health conscious that’s different but doing this to save money?

A Car:

In Metro a Manila a car is a financial and safety liability but it offers a priceless convenience of privacy.

Maid:

Cleans the house. Cooks, Washes and irons clothes. Washes the dishes, cuts the grass, and washes the car. I pay what I would spend on drinks in one night a month here for these services.

Insurance:

Let’s say you were hospitalized with something that was going to cost a substantial amount of money or you had an unexpected death. There are few people who have money lying around to handle this type of situation. That is why you need for insurance.



I am from America’s most murderous slum. Now that I got lucky managed to land a decent job I try not to subject myself to those living conditions again. Viagra and Cialis don’t need it yet but when the dick does go limp that is my body telling me time to lay off the pussy and I usually listen.



America’s hospitals for the poor are shit and the treatment one receives especially if you are the wrong color is shameful but I won’t go into that now.


What you do think the American ghettos are like?



Not I. I would never tell another man how to spend his money but to each his own.


Have you ever been to the States? If so have you ever hung out with poor people from the States?



Not really. You said you work online. Some of us go to more extremes for a salary so one who earns his money in a difficult manner would be wise to spend it more judiciously. I watch foreign guys from developing countries spend money like water all the time and vice versa but again this comes to individual habits. When I first got my job I bought everything expensive and shiny that came to my mind but I am becoming more frugal the last few years I guess it is what you could call growing up.



Have no plans of catching STDs…. Crown condoms.



Move my hard earned money to the unstable governments of third world countries? No thank you.


Because YF I think the board is just tired of the old… “Man meets hooker, man falls in love with hooker“Scenario. These guys know its goes against everything that is ingrained that is why they come here and ask for advice. First thing who wants to marry some used and abused pussy? Second thing who wants to marry a woman who probably has the intelligence of a western 13 year old?

If you must find a wife here. How about trying to meet some women in the gyms or going to those archaic halls of human masses… Churches. Just simply a woman who has a college degree and is away from that “selling ass” lifestyle.

I would even go a step a further and say if you’re looking for a wife one would be best found in a your native country…She doesn’t has to be the same race as one prominent racist member of the PI board keeps stressing to me but the same economic social status as yourself would be nice. A woman who has something to offer other than looks companionship and sex.

When you trade that bargirl/third world woman for a western woman you may gain one who is simple, beautiful, docile (puts up with your bullshit, which is why most of us are divorced from western women) and affectionate but in most cases you will lose financial assistance, someone who can understand you….mentally, emotionally and physically, basically a person who is your equal. These third world first world relationships tend to border on institutionalized prostitution.

[Bill Buxton]

what the hell is this place coming to now. what do poor people living in the states have to do with people here and this country? why do ghettos and insurance and taxes come into play here on this thread?

poor people in the states, that's a joke any-who. with all the people in this country the ones in the states are treated like kings on the welfare program. if the people here could get what the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)-pots in the states get they would never udder a peep out of there mouths.

hospitals in the states please, people get treated for free now that's why i or we pay up the ass for insurance. we pay so the mope with can get treated no questions asked that's a fact.

color don't have a thing to do with this its not a factor at all.

ac is not a a staple that's needed in a daily diet here. if you sit in a manila apartment every day you failed to plan ahead. most need something to do besides sit and drink. yes drink, most follow this path because they have nothing to do all day its a fact. start a business and employ some locals you will never need to go to ac ever again. the locals will be happy and you can build some respect between you and them.

the short answer is life is cheaper here in most cases, and we all loose sight of the big picture. after a while 20-p seems like big bucks and we all have fallen in that trap.

b. b.

[Amavida]

The point is that I am planning to marry a babe met in a bar in Angeles. And my question is: is that a good idea or not?Bad
I have considered very well the days I spent with her and I found her very nice and sweet and caring. So, since I am planning to marry again anyway and I have just closed with my gf here, I am considering this option too.WTF? You are divorced, have just broken up with a girl and now you want to get hitched again... smacks forehead with hand.. am i reading this right?
About her: she is about 25 years younger. She never asked me money in Angeles nor later. I never asked her to leave her job there. Few weeks after I was back home, she left the bar life because of some arguing with her mamasan and colleagues.They all do this when they think they have a ticket out of bar scene (& the the country).
At the moment she works as a nanny.You need to confirm this brother.
And when I spoke to her of my idea she said it is fine.I'll bet she bloody did sport! Her & her 37 cousins...
And, what is very important to me, agreed to have no kids, since I do not want any troubles with the ones I already have.That will not last long after you arrive with her back in your home country. They _all_ want babies.
About me: my financial position is not great but good enough to support her in the first period. She wants to work and she is ready to be a nanny here too, the sort of job for a girl like her can easily find in this part of the world. Of course I like her a lot and I had the time to see that she can be a good partner, too.I suggest you go back to PI & live with her for a good six months _first_ before you make any hasty commitments you're likely to regret bitterly later.
In these three months we exchanged few very nice mails and phone calls. When I told her about my plan, she honestly and openly told me her story: an usual story of this kind of situation. She also added she had already been in Angeles years ago for few months. She left the bar because of a Westerner guy who promised her everything and gave her money to go to school again and then suddenly disappeared. And she also told me of a former Pilipino boyfriend who deceived her.Absolutely standard story, no shocks here. So what is so special... nevermind...
In few days we are meeting again (I am going to Philippines again after few days spent in Thailand) to speak seriously about this matter.Hope you didn't pick up anything in Thailand she hasn't already got.. ;)
My idea is to marry in late 2011 and also to make her signing a very clear pre-marriage agreement with possible divorce conditions.I hope you are not thinking of getting married in PI? Getting married in PI precludes divorce as an option for all but the wealthiest & most well connected guys who escape with an annulment.
Now your turn. Feel free, but serious, please. Thanks a lot, SESorry if I seem cynical but I see the endless conga line of foreigners with bar girls lining up to go volunteer to pay alimony for the rest of their lives so much.. I really see your mind is made up. All the best to you & your intended.. good luck with that plan SE.

[SmartEuropean]

SE,

I am surprised there were not more comments from the forum regarding your post. I hope that other members can add their opinions too.

I really doubt you will ever leave mongering. It was only a thought. I don't think I could ever leave mongering either.

Your difference this time, compared to your past European gfs and wife, is that your PI girls KNOWS you are a monger. She will have her radar tuned to you but I hope she will also know not to rock the boat.

In fact they are bar girls, we are their customers. We are not much different from them.

Good luck in your adventure.

Yellow FeverI am surprised too that there are not more comments about my post. But, as you see, there are few more. Maybe, it is not an interesting talk as we might guess.

I agree. I doubt I will ever leave mongering. It is not my plan nor my will but I am afraid it will happen anyway. I just spoke of the fact that, IMHO, it might become less satisfactory with age going on (condom, for example is a burden which becomes heavier and heavier). But I am speaking of something I do not know. I know about I feel NOW and I know what I can do now as well, so maybe, the older I am the most I monger.

You are absolutely right. I did not think to this side and I thank you for this. My PI girl knows I am a monger and so it will be quite difficult to deceive her. And this is the bad point.

The good point. In general and in my story, exactly as you say (they are bar girls, we are their customers. We are not much different from them). Is that she already knows the "dark side" of life and of men. She has experienced them both personally and so – maybe but not sure – she can "see and understand" and be a good companion because she will not blame for my weakness. And she can also be good a good partner because she has decided to leave that behind her. Of course, maybe it is not like that. Who knows?

SE

[SmartEuropean]

The mongering deadline.? I truly hope there isn't one.

I remember once sitting in an Angeles bar, and next to be was an old bloke. Must have been 80+. Had 2-3 pretty girls with him telling him he was handsome. (better than hearing " "Oh Sir, you are so wrinkly LOL ")

I asked him why he was there.

He said " Son, I can't get it up any more BUT my eyes still work and my brain still works and I can still imagine how great it would be to be with these young ladies. "

And thats why I hope theres no mongering deadline. Imagine saying " Game Over.The point is not what we hope about the mongering deadline. The point is how we feel and are. And it is strictly personal. About your nice story about the 80+ guy you talked about. IMHO it is not a nice view nor thought. Once again I repeat that I am not boasting to be better or to judge others. I just underline we are different and I am speaking of myself only. And in my 80+ (if I ever reach them) I do not see myself like that in Angeles or anywhere. Much better, IMHO, to imagine myself playing with my grandchildren, having a nice life hopefully near a lady who is not a nightmare to look at and who is spending her time with me not only for the money I am paying (we always pay). And who is not telling me I am handsome but different sort of lies, the sort of lies you can more easily believe at that age. And, if I really need and want that, I can have it anyway in my town, for the same money if you consider how much you spend for flights and hotels and restaurants. Mongering all over the world is not cheap, it is fun, because if you add the general expenses, we spend a lot more than a normal 60 minutes session in Western Countries. So I do not see it as a “Game Over”, but just playing another game. Once again, a game which is maybe more suitable for me and not for others. IMHO.

SE

[Puerto La Cruz]

Perhaps you should change your name to Not So Smart European.

[Sammon]

Perhaps you should change your name to Not So Smart European.
Most of bargirls will tell you what you want to hear. For that matter most of the other girls will do the same to find a sponsor, escape from poverty, get out of their country etc.
None of it has to do with love.
Almost all the bargirls came to AC to work in the bars because of poverty. Yet to see a girl who is there for fun only. The mamasans who recruit them tell them they can meet a foreigner, marry etc. After opening their legs for many and lied and duped by many they realise the truth about AC. Yes, there are some who may have found better life but they are in minority.
All of us go to AC for fun, to be with as many girls as possible, drink, listen to sob stories and sometimes donate extra money to them.
We are not there to look for a GF, rescue them etc. No matter what a good sex with a willing girl makes our mind think otherwise.
Unless you live in that country I believe supporting a gf, marrying and having kids should be out of bounds. Besides if you live there why go with a bargirl?
There are plenty of normal girls available.

[Chocha Monger]

the point is that (maybe i am stupid and naive) i do not consider her a real bar girl.

what do you consider to be a “real bar girl?” this girl sold pussy in a bar that makes her a real bargirl there is no qualifying period and quantity of pussy sold in order to gain bar girl certification. see her for what she is and either accept or reject her but don’t fool yourself.


second, i do not see why she should be pregnant if she takes pills.

if you are depending on her to take pills consistently it means that you’re turning over the choice of having children or not to her. she makes the decision of having children or not so you’re already fucked. that is the way it is in the eyes of the law. take responsibility for your future and get those old wrinkled balls snipped! have result for your vasectomy confirmed with a lab test showing that your semen contains no sperm.


for yf. well, to be honest, i feel to trust her but this idea of the prenup is what you might call a safety net which is better to have than to have not. this has to do with my general attitude, which is very cautious. i doubt myself? of course. who knows what happens tomorrow? you know the saying? act as you should die tomorrow and think as you should live forever.

the best laid plans of mice and men… your prenuptial agreement will probably be more useful as an ass wipe once your filipina and her attorney play the ignorant foreign [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) vs. the old pervert. according to you, your financial position is not all that good. transfer whatever inheritance you intend to give your children to them now. you can place any real property in their name giving yourself the right to occupy it until your death. liquid assets can be placed in a trust with money being paid out to you quarterly. in other words strip yourself of all assets before marrying. this will leave you free to play the fool. it will also keep your kids from being pissed off at your antics.


still to be honest, i am not totally sure to leave mongering for this simple girl. it is what i have done even in my previous (normal) marriage and what i have done in my "single" years, even if i had most of the time a good and stable relationship with european girls. i think that i might diminish my mongering but i also consider how nice it might be to come back from my "job trip" and find a sweet babe at home waiting for me. last but not least, i am not getting any younger and my mongering dead line is approaching anyway. and so just "travelling" with her should be nice. but stay with her in the pi is quite impossible. first because i still have here a job, a good job i cannot move abroad and then, after my retiring, all my life, my friends and my sons are still here. and i do not want to leave them.

since you intend to keep fucking around i imagine that you have no expectation of fidelity on her part. this is good because she will have many young lovers back in europe whether or not you object. having an open marriage will make things easier on both parties versus sneaking around and using deception.

understand that as you do not want to leave your family and friends she will experience similar emotions.

[SmartEuropean]

BadWTF? You are divorced, have just broken up with a girl and now you want to get hitched again. Smacks forehead with hand. Am I reading this right? They all do this when they think they have a ticket out of bar scene (& the the country). You need to confirm this brother. I'll bet she bloody did sport! Her & her 37 cousins. That will not last long after you arrive with her back in your home country. They _all_ want babies. I suggest you go back to PI & live with her for a good six months _first_ before you make any hasty commitments you're likely to regret bitterly later. Absolutely standard story, no shocks here. So what is so special. Nevermind. Hope you didn't pick up anything in Thailand she hasn't already got. I hope you are not thinking of getting married in PI? Getting married in PI precludes divorce as an option for all but the wealthiest & most well connected guys who escape with an annulment. Sorry if I seem cynical but I see the endless conga line of foreigners with bar girls lining up to go volunteer to pay alimony for the rest of their lives so much. I really see your mind is made up. All the best to you & your intended. Good luck with that plan SE.I really appreciated all your lines, starting from the Austen quotation. You have been very smart and amusing and maybe a bit cynical, which I consider part of being smart and amusing. All right. Bad idea. Going on, yes, sorry, I like it. Being hitched. IMO the best is to have a stable and permanent relationship to have all the fun and feelings with her (what is called GF experience, correct? ) and then my extra fun mongering. I thank you for the tip about the fact that they all do this "when they think they have a ticket out.". But when she did it we did not speak of plans nor future. But she can have a glass ball and see what I am going to do before I do it, or, maybe, she just knows men and she was expecting my step. Correct. No real evidence she is working as a nanny, now. But it sounds true from a number of details. Hehe. I hope her cousins are just 25. Correct again. Babies is the big, real obstacle and I do not know, a part pills or my vasectomy (which I do not like at all), what to do to be safe about that. Correct again. Going back to PI & live with her for a six months is a good idea. Unfortunately I cannot. I have to work here. I know that her story is absolutely standard and I imagined that from my report it was very clear that I considered it liek that. About Thailand, I usually take care of myself. Anyway, thanks a lot for you tip. No, thanks, never thought of getting married in PI. If I will ever do that, I will marry in my Country with my rules. Yes, you got the point. My only fear is not that this story may not work (if it does not, too bad, life goes on anyway). My goal is to "try" hoping for the best and, at the same time, avoid to alimony to her after divorce or support a children I did not want. Understand? And I am thinking to the way to do that. And I know it is not easy. Anyway, thanks for your smack on my forehead and for your nice comment.

SE

[SmartEuropean]

Perhaps you should change your name to Not So Smart European.When I invited to comment my post, I also asked to speak open but to be serious. And I am sorry that, IMHO, your comment (joke) is not so funny nor new.

SE

[Marconista]

@FreebieFan;
Please clear my name, as I am afraid some may think of me as the guy contacting you regarding this lady, which I have not. my chat names (YM & MS) all have marconista (and sometimes more added to it).

I hope to keep my reputation as clean as it can be in this environment :D

Thanks


So I wrote this yesterday. And one guy contacted me.

His ym name is Marco at home. And what did the sad fellow with the brain of a pygmy do... but contact the girl, copy and paste my entire post then ask her if shes lonely....................

But oh no pygmy brain Marco ( who maybe at home but whos brain is clearly not on ) embarassed me , and her with his cut and paste skills.

A plonker of the first order is the kindest way to describe him.

An absolute tosser is another. Reading this Marco.?

[Member #4351]

S.E., I suggest the Norplant or Implanon (that´s what they are called here in Peru), which are birth control devices implanted under the skin in the arm. Good up to three years and have the added plus of just about stopping menstruation completely.

[SmartEuropean]

Just another thought for you SE. I think your biggest concern should be that once you have brought her back to your country. Once she has assimilated, gotten a feel of the independence that you are talking about giving her. (The ability to get a job and work there) giving her an income that is more than she could have ever expected in the PI.

What makes you think, after a year or two, That she will not leave you for a younger man in your country. I have seen this happen more often than I can count. They marry an older man, and tell him what he wants to hear. "No sweetheart, I don't want babies either". She will change her mind because family is everything to filipinos

You are 25 years older than her. Seriously how long do you think thats going to last.

Every young guy she encounters will be passing her phone numbers. She will meet other girls her age who will no doubt be telling her "Why are you with him". "You have your green card, you are legal, leave now".

In the PI. You would not be an unusual couple. But in Europe. "Mail order bride" is the first thing people are going to think. Any guy who has been to Thailand or PI will think. Yeah he snatched a freak and brought her back.

The fact that she left AC once and came back to work again. Tells you she doesn't have a problem selling ass, and only stops when she thinks she has her a man she thinks is going to marry her. I bet if you told her it was off. She'd be right back in AC within 3 mths. Selling that ass again.

If not why didn't she take this low paying job in the first place. Why did she go back to selling ass at all.I am sorry but I disagree, on a general point of you (even if, in this personal case, thery can be fully correct), with most of your statements. I think that if you want to share your life with a woman, the basic point is to give her independence. And, then, if she is independent, it is much better in case of divorce. No need to pay her alimony.

The possibility that, after a year or two, she leaves me for a younger man in my Country is a risk I am ready to face. But what I want to totally avoid is that I have to pay her alimony or to support a child I did not want. If it last 2 or 5 or 10 years, they have been good years anyway. What I am afraid of and I want to avoid are the consequences of an act which might prove to be foolish.

You are right. The real point is that family is everything to Filipinos. This is my first concern.

I know that I am 25 years older than she and, as I told you, I do not care of how long it is going to last, but of the consequences.

About citizenship, you need ten years in Europe and, about green card, it must be renewed every 2 year or less and if you cannot (no job or other problems), you must leave the Country. But I see what you mean. It can just be a matter of time.

I know that in the PI we would not be an unusual couple, but I cannot live there. Correct "mail order bride". But I do not care of this. Any person I know has its own "secret".

But I cannot blame the fact that she left AC once and came back to work there again. It tells me she etc. Correct. But I really think that most people, when in need, can choose to sell ass. And, again, most people would stop when they think they have the opportunity. That is normal, IMHO. And I think she did not take this low paying job in the first place because it is low paid, because we all love money and because she is young, pretty and this is the only way she has to put some money in her pocket and have some fun. We just leave in places where opportunities are more and better. And the fact they live in different places whih pushed them to different choices does not mean that these choices are the ones they really love. Anyway thanks a lot for you honest and clear and direct approach to my post.

SE

[FreebieFan]

@FreebieFan;

Please clear my name, as I am afraid some may think of me as the guy contacting you regarding this lady, which I have not. my chat names (YM & MS) all have marconista (and sometimes more added to it).

I hope to keep my reputation as clean as it can be in this environment :D

ThanksIf you are not Marco at home, then no worries Marconista.

[FreebieFan]

Was chatting to a SYT who was ready to meet me before last trip. She seemed " ripe for the picking". Id seen pics but relaised they were all from an angle. The reason when I saw her on cam, was she had this giant mole. It was big and frankly very unappealing. No matter how cute she may have been I couldn't have poked her with this thing hypnotising me.

Just chatted to another SYT in Gingoog city (wherever the heck that is! ). And same again, cute photos, but a giant mole in middle of her nose. Staring like a third eye. Wonder how much it is to get one removed if I really needed to. Some of these moles are bigger than their nipples LOL.

[Member #4214]

Was chatting to a SYT who was ready to meet me before last trip. She seemed " ripe for the picking". Id seen pics but relaised they were all from an angle. The reason when I saw her on cam, was she had this giant mole. It was big and frankly very unappealing. No matter how cute she may have been I couldn't have poked her with this thing hypnotising me.

Just chatted to another SYT in Gingoog city (wherever the heck that is! ). And same again, cute photos, but a giant mole in middle of her nose. Staring like a third eye. Wonder how much it is to get one removed if I really needed to. Some of these moles are bigger than their nipples LOL.

That is unfortunate. I know an OFW where I live, who also has/had few awkward moles. She was fortunate in that her employer paid to have hers removed. The chick really blossomed after that, and of course I had to be the gentleman and oblige.

[SmartEuropean]

Most of bargirls will tell you what you want to hear. For that matter most of the other girls will do the same to find a sponsor, escape from poverty, get out of their country etc.

None of it has to do with love.

Almost all the bargirls came to AC to work in the bars because of poverty. Yet to see a girl who is there for fun only. The mamasans who recruit them tell them they can meet a foreigner, marry etc. After opening their legs for many and lied and duped by many they realise the truth about AC. Yes, there are some who may have found better life but they are in minority.

All of us go to AC for fun, to be with as many girls as possible, drink, listen to sob stories and sometimes donate extra money to them.

We are not there to look for a GF, rescue them etc. No matter what a good sex with a willing girl makes our mind think otherwise.

Unless you live in that country I believe supporting a gf, marrying and having kids should be out of bounds. Besides if you live there why go with a bargirl? There are plenty of normal girls available.Most of bargirls tell us what we want to hear. Correct. In fact what impressed me is that she did not do that quite often. I have not given all details in my report not to be too long, but trust me. And I know that, even this way, there is little love in it. Exactly as in most "love stories". Almost all the bargirls came to AC to work in the bars because of poverty.

Absolutely correct. I did not know mamasans tell them they can meet a foreigner, marry etc, but it sounds true. And I fully agree that the ones who may find better life are in minority. The good point in my case (of course it is my hope and considering what she said, but I can only assume it is true) is that her bar experience has been too short to fully spoil her. So, my question is: is that possible or not?

You are right. We are not there to look for a GF etc. And, btw, I did not have a too good sex with her (if you read my first report, the one about my days there) and it is what impressed me, together with other details of her who pushed me to think she was not spoiled yet (of course I am not the best judge). So you are right, but I have found trapped in this idea and that is why I posted this hint for a discussion, exactly to have advices, tips and better ideas.

I do not live in that Country and I am not supporting her and have no intention of having kids. Correct, living there would be great, according to what I could see when I was there, but unfortunately my good job is here. Thanks a lot for your contribution.

SE

[Eric Tile]

SE

SE

I read and I see your eyes are wide open. Also you are not going to die wondering.

But why you wait until the end of 2011 ? ? This is far too long ! ! No-one knows what will happen tomorrow, next week or next month let alone next year or 2011. Don't wait so long. Do it sooner rather than later.

ET

[SmartEuropean]

what do you consider to be a “real bar girl?” this girl sold pussy in a bar that makes her a real bargirl there is no qualifying period and quantity of pussy sold in order to gain bar girl certification. see her for what she is and either accept or reject her but don’t fool yourself.

if you are depending on her to take pills consistently it means that you’re turning over the choice of having children or not to her. she makes the decision of having children or not so you’re already fucked. that is the way it is in the eyes of the law. take responsibility for your future and get those old wrinkled balls snipped! have result for your vasectomy confirmed with a lab test showing that your semen contains no sperm.

the best laid plans of mice and men… your prenuptial agreement will probably be more useful as an ass wipe once your filipina and her attorney play the ignorant foreign [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) vs. the old pervert. according to you, your financial position is not all that good. transfer whatever inheritance you intend to give your children to them now. you can place any real property in their name giving yourself the right to occupy it until your death. liquid assets can be placed in a trust with money being paid out to you quarterly. in other words strip yourself of all assets before marrying. this will leave you free to play the fool. it will also keep your kids from being pissed off at your antics.

since you intend to keep fucking around i imagine that you have no expectation of fidelity on her part. this is good because she will have many young lovers back in europe whether or not you object. having an open marriage will make things easier on both parties versus sneaking around and using deception.

understand that as you do not want to leave your family and friends she will experience similar emotions.good question. what do i consider to be a “real bar girl?”. i may be wrong but there is a time and a quantity of experiences which can make the difference. imho a girl of 24 who has just arrived in a bar and spent 6 weeks there and a girl of 32 who has spent 8 years there are not exactly the same person. i see your point, but i do not fully agree.

correct. depending on her to take pills is not the best. in fact i am thinking on it. what are your information about vasectomy? or other things which may be under my control (condom not included)?

the ignorant foreign [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) vs. the old pervert. i know that. in fact i am going to speak with some lawyers friends of mine about that.

transfer all my goods to my children before any official step with her is what i had already thought. thanks you for the tip, anyway. the same about liquid assets.
no expectation of fidelity on her part? well, your statement is quite direct but it is also basically true.

i understand that she does not want to leave her family and friends either. but i see no way out to this problem. she has to move. not me. if she does not want, she has just to leave that idea. if she gets it, there is no way to move her life and friends here. she can just use part of her money to go back home once a year or more. se

[SmartEuropean]

S.E., I suggest the Norplant or Implanon (that´s what they are called here in Peru), which are birth control devices implanted under the skin in the arm. Good up to three years and have the added plus of just about stopping menstruation completely.Thanks a lot for your clever, helpful and practical tip. Never heard of it. I googled it but it is not clear how good and reliable it is, nor whether it is sold everywhere. Do you know more about it? Please tell me, if you can. Anyway I can ask some physicians here, but I would like to have some basic knowledge first.

SE

[Starchild2012]

The possibility that, after a year or two, she leaves me for a younger man in my Country is a risk I am ready to face.

SE

I may be the only one here who would support you to do what you feel right, if you want to marry a bar girl go for it.

Most of the advice you are getting here are from mongers who are from west where the divorce rate is 50% or rather 1 in 2 mongers here are divorced, separated or never married, very few including me knows the true emotions of love but we all here know the emotions of lust and its association with money.

Western men may be the last place you would wanna go to take advice on love and marriage :D no hard feelings guys...

Asia has a fairly good percentage of love lasting till death do us apart, your chance of success with an Asian girl no matter where she is from is far greater than the women from west.

I'm from India where the divorce rate is very very low, 98% marriages are successful more or less same is with east Asian countries and same is true with Philippines.

Only a fool or an ignorant will tell you not to marry an Asian girl.

Its like an Asian dude advising the size of dicks to a western men. Some things we should better leave it to others. Western folks are never good at relationship stuff, they should not advice people whom they themselves have failed at again and again.

Here western mongers will always pick on the negative side of things and then would happily relate it to money, money, money...everything starts and ends with money for them.

They would never appreciate the culture of family the Filipinos lay emphasis on...rest be assured if you have a Filipino kid, he will be more respectful and would never abandon you to an old age home. At least you will have some people to fall back on. (sorry to bring the kid factor in)

Why would you not love to have a big large family, the western mongers will counter it by saying you will be the family ATM for all, agree, but you would also be the one who would get number 1 respect among all, you would also be the decision maker unlike if you have a western wife who would take all your money yet not listen to you. why haven't anyone mentioned this to you ?

We can not have both ways, its time for introspection, ever wondered why Asian marriages are successful than the west, if money was the only factor, then west should have the lowest divorce rate... quite the opposite right...which itself says that all assumption that Filipina or Asian girl would be after your money is wrong else if not then west should have successful marriage day in and day out which is not true.

Now the question of she being a bar girl and all the negative comments fellow mongers are writing about her background and what your life will become if you marry her.

This could only be answered and understood if a monger would please take the factor of money and survival out of the situation and think purely on spiritual grounds.

Spiritualism Precedes Materialism, nature created us... men did not create sun, moon and the galaxies, if you base your marriage on money and nothing else, the relationship is bound to fail....when you met her..it was your call of destiny and karma rather than you met her because you had desires for sex and she had to work in the bar to support her family and herself etc.

This critical thinking difference would decide if your marriage is going to be successful or not..its more like believing that man is spiritual than material that would decide your destiny with her.

Its the ignorance which is the greatest sin, people would say "what a load of crap, do you want me to believe in some snake oil theory about karma and destiny not on her survival, if it was not for the bar you would not have met her in the first place etc and if you ask the same "what a load of crap" guys on why western marriage fail in spite of the best life a society can give...they don't have answer to that ...survival, job, money, developed societies etc are not the criteria for successful marriage.

If she was not a bar girl but a highly sophisticated girl, your chances of success with her would be exactly same as the bar girl, cos the underlying thinking has not changed.

THE POINT IS SUCCESSFUL MARRIAGE HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH MONEY, JOB, SOCIAL STATUS, DEVELOPED OR THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, BAR GIRL, NORMAL GIRL ETC...marriage is spiritual not materialistic...

If you keep on thinking..ohh i met her in a bar, will she dump me later for money because she is a bar girl...your marriage will end as many mongers here are predicting, just by thinking differently and in a spiritual way will do wonders for your marriage.

Its upto you really to shape your relationship anyway you want. Her background of being a bar girl does not matter at all as long as you think in the right way.

Good luck to you.....i would say just go for it...if you have taken a thoughtful decision and you feel for it.

Nothing personal folks, i may have touched some sensitive issues, but it is not directed at any particular person. peace out no fighting on opinions :)

[Yellow Fever #2]

I may be the only one here who would support you to do what you feel right, if you want to marry a bar girl go for it.

Most of the advice you are getting here are from mongers who are from west where the divorce rate is 50% or rather 1 in 2 mongers here are divorced, separated or never married, very few including me knows the true emotions of love but we all here know the emotions of lust and its association with money.

Western men may be the last place you would wanna go to take advice on love and marriage :D no hard feelings guys...

Asia has a fairly good percentage of love lasting till death do us apart, your chance of success with an Asian girl no matter where she is from is far greater than the women from west.



Lots of us mongers support you and your right to marry a bar girl. I previously gave SE my support and some considerations that he should be aware of.

I entertained the idea once and had a relationship with an experienced Philippine bar girl, she lived with me in China for about 6 months until I terminated our relationship due to 'irregularities', basically she was enough dishonest for me to give her up and I had burned too much cash to support her family.

I think your statistics on Western vs Eastern marriages is a load of crap. China is rife with divorce, it is a simple procedure which takes all of 20 minutes to complete. In the Philippines divorce is nearly impossible, so second marriages just happen without divorce. It is possible to get papers from the NSO saying you are single even when you are not.

Thailand, much the same. Guys leave their wives for others frequently. Look at DIA, every girl wants a man to only be with them. This must come from experience, it is not a fairy tale.

My experience with Indonesian chicks, says divorce is quite common there too.

Such is life.


I'm from India where the divorce rate is very very low, 98% marriages are successful more or less same is with east Asian countries and same is true with Philippines.

Only a fool or an ignorant will tell you not to marry an Asian girl.


I'm glad that 98% of Indian marriage last forever, perhaps the people don't live long enough to find others, perhaps arranged marriages are the way to go, perhaps poverty or family pressure forces couples to remain together. Perhaps villages and languages are different. Maybe the law discourages divorce. Maybe it is just the tradition in India. Maybe the women are too weak in the relationship. Maybe the women and the men couldn't give a rats ass if they take other lovers. Maybe you get the death penalty or get stoned if you are an adulterer. Maybe men can do whatever the fuck they want and the woman can't do anything about it. Maybe castration is a form of birth control in India? I doubt it is down to spirituality. I really don't know the reason. in fact I don't care and frankly I don't believe it.

SE, go marry an Indian chick. Get castrated (become a Eunuch) in the process. At least you won't have the 'balls' to leave your bride. Not sure about her though leaving you though. To reduce the risk of her fleeing (or courting other males), you could chain her to the bed or lock her in a dungeon.



Its like an Asian dude advising the size of dicks to a western men. Some things we should better leave it to others. Western folks are never good at relationship stuff, they should not advice people whom they themselves have failed at again and again.


Although I have never directly compared and only heard circumstantially from bar girls that i see, I agree with your statement that Asian dudes, perhaps especially Chinese guys have tiny weewees. Us Caucasian guys are big like stallions. Who the fuck cares?

Maybe it is the fact that most Asians have tiny dicks, keeps a marriage strong??

As you say Western folks are never good at relationship stuff. I think you should tell this young poor innocent girl NOT to get married to SmartEuropean because he as a Westerner is not good at relationship stuff. Why give him the go ahead, you should protect her, so that she does not lose 'face' and have a bad relationship with a high potential for divorce. Remember Western people are the problem, eastern marriages are made in heaven and are perfect according to you.



Here western mongers will always pick on the negative side of things and then would happily relate it to money, money, money...everything starts and ends with money for them.

They would never appreciate the culture of family the Filipinos lay emphasis on...rest be assured if you have a Filipino kid, he will be more respectful and would never abandon you to an old age home. At least you will have some people to fall back on. (sorry to bring the kid factor in)

Why would you not love to have a big large family, the western mongers will counter it by saying you will be the family ATM for all, agree, but you would also be the one who would get number 1 respect among all, you would also be the decision maker unlike if you have a western wife who would take all your money yet not listen to you. why haven't anyone mentioned this to you ?


Big large family, basically no birth control in the Philippines makes for a very poor country. We know who we can thank for this; the extreme Catholic church in that country. Lots of poor impoverished people do not make a strong family or country, only makes for a larger shared poverty. Family planning helps to make life on this planet sustainable.

This is what a big family does to your country: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=922035&postcount=232
GE is an example of a foreigner with a very successful marriage to a PI girl.

I guess in the PI, family is all you have. Let the girls go out and sell themselves to support the males at home because no one is able to get a job.

If we go back to SmartEuropean's situation, how will he and his own children feel, if his new bride is younger than his existing kids. Just a thought, not a reason to give up but only a consideration.

Should SE and his new bride choose to 'breed' in the future, it is their choice. I hope that they have children they can afford to take care of and not have children because the church commands them to.

I'm willing to bet that if their relationship lasts more than 3 years (hopefully), the pressure to have offspring on SE from his wife will be great. Never say never.



We can not have both ways, its time for introspection, ever wondered why Asian marriages are successful than the west, if money was the only factor, then west should have the lowest divorce rate... quite the opposite right...which itself says that all assumption that Filipina or Asian girl would be after your money is wrong else if not then west should have successful marriage day in and day out which is not true.

I cannot confirm either way if this is true but my feeling is it just a load of meaningless crap. Hey BL5, do you have any statistics for marriages between east and western people? How about different educational levels? Different ages? Different religions?

I fully support SE and his happiness. I wish him success in whatever he decides.

I support people who want to get married. I also support people who choose to get divorced because marriage does not always work. It happens in ALL cultures.

Till death do us part was a lot more meaningful and reasonable when people had a lifespan of 30 years.



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Good luck to you.....i would say just go for it...if you have taken a thoughtful decision and you feel for it.

Nothing personal folks, i may have touched some sensitive issues, but it is not directed at any particular person. peace out no fighting on opinions :)
At least this part of your comment, I will completely agree.

[Finrod]

Good points, BL. But you may be missing the boat here: no amount of spirituality (or at least the desire to do good) on a man's part can replace the requirement to evaluate the woman in his life for her fitness to be his long term partner. We know that far more often than not, women who come out of the bar environment do not make good long term partners. Some do, no doubt about that, but many more don't. If a guy wants a long term partner, he stands a better chance of finding a good one if he skips the bargirls. That's the way it is all over, not just in the Phils, and the other posters here are calling it as they see it.

That said, if SE knows the risks and wants to do it anyway, go for it. But he shouldn't come running back here with his tale of woe should it go bad. He asked for help, he got it, now it's up to him whether he will take it in or not.

[Warbucks]

Lots of us mongers support you and your right to marry a bar girl. I previously gave SE my support and some considerations that he should be aware of.


I don’t know YF a guy should feel like he deserves more in life. I don’t care how ugly, fat, stupid, broke, old…. SE can't you give yourself more credit than that? Just an opinion.

We must get a perspective from where BL comes from. I worked around an Indian guy for over a year. He was a mechanic and worked on my armored Land Cruiser and sometime we would talk. He would go on on about how marriages and people in the west were no good etc. He told me in India most marriages were arranged by parents, he told he could beat his wife and tell her to shut the fuck up and she would not protest the least bit. He told me if you got a divorce in India it was shameful and you would have a hard time finding another partner….you smell what I am cooking?

[Yellow Fever #2]

Good points, BL. But you may be missing the boat here: no amount of spirituality (or at least the desire to do good) on a man's part can replace the requirement to evaluate the woman in his life for her fitness to be his long term partner. We know that far more often than not, women who come out of the bar environment do not make good long term partners. Some do, no doubt about that, but many more don't. If a guy wants a long term partner, he stands a better chance of finding a good one if he skips the bargirls. That's the way it is all over, not just in the Phils, and the other posters here are calling it as they see it.

That said, if SE knows the risks and wants to do it anyway, go for it. But he shouldn't come running back here with his tale of woe should it go bad. He asked for help, he got it, now it's up to him whether he will take it in or not.

On the contrary, SE. All forum member would be interested to know how well your relationship got on.

Lots of contributing forum members have Filipina wives and have great relationships. I am sure tons of forum members have married their bargirls, some of these marriages have thrived while others have have been living nightmares.

If you are lucky, your relationship can be a fairy tale. Definitely many bar girls are very good at what they do. They know how to man happy at least in the very short term. With luck and understanding you can be successful in your relationship. I would not put it down to spirituality unless both of you join some sort of cult.

Good luck in whatever you do. We'd all like to know how it worked it. Will it be (hopefully) bliss or hell.

You are far better informed now. I am glad you gave us your story and asked your question. Your story was well written and thought out. I hope the opinions in this forum have proved helpful. May the force be with you.

Go forth and multiply (or not).

Meaning as in: http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/2/messages/152.html and NOT as in http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Go%20Forth%20and%20Multiply

Yellow Fever

[SmartEuropean]

SE

I read and I see your eyes are wide open. Also you are not going to die wondering.

But why you wait until the end of 2011 ? ? This is far too long ! ! No-one knows what will happen tomorrow, next week or next month let alone next year or 2011. Don't wait so long. Do it sooner rather than later.

ETYes, I try to keep my eyes wide open, thank you. Why I want to wait until the end of 2011? maybe it is too long but (1) I want to think well about it (2) I want to know her a bit more (3) I want the time to settle well all my properties and liquid assets (4) I want the youngest of my son graduates (5) I want to give me the time to find maybe a nice girl here to go on having my GF experience at home while happily mongering all over the world and (6) because I like to pace slow. SE

[Member #4491]

Marriage is an old religious relic that has no relevance to defining a happy twosome. Just a financial and practical institution that is loosing relevance to more people by the day. Of course a marriage can be much more, but to in any way relate a lasting marriages with happiness in life is just naive and traditional rhetorics.

Anyone that followed my posts knows I am a hard headed atheist, at least when we are talking about any traditional sense of religion. I never go in to argument with peoples living in the fantasy land called religion. Neither do I try to convert people who believe the earth is flat.

But to measure personal evolution and happiness in percentage of lasting marriages on a continent is maybe one of the most silly attempt to racial/geographical pride I have seen. Surely such a reflecting and open minded person as BL5 must see through this old fashioned religious invention of controlling female humans?

You come across in this last post as a peculiar mix of an open yet super prejudice mind. If a happy marriage is defined by only putting your dick in ONE woman for the rest of you life, your on pretty thin ice with your statements about Asia and Asian men, don't you agree?

Much of the discussions here are super nationalistic, super conservative and in addition racial. There are no continents. There are no countries. The concept of "nationality" is also a fantasy. It is all in you head. It is theoretical constructions. Just INDIVIDUALS exists. I have more in common with my south American or Asian friends than my neighbor here I north Europe. We are all individuals, and then we apply patterns called culture, traditions and religion, but that is only as much as you make of it in your head. The is no correlation between a lasting marriage and the reason to be proud of oneself. Neither in the opposite.

The notation that there should be any external value in keeping together is all a subjective valuation. It bear no relevance in predicting a maximization of happiness for either a woman or a man. It has nothing to do with "real love".

Sure there are cultural traits, but these are always overshadowed by a personality. I live with a (European) woman that I love. She has negative sides sure, just like I and you. I never met a girl that was all positive. If you wish to discuss est European Art Nouveau architecture or Fassbinder with your soul mate maybe some Pinays fall short, and if you prefer someone that fight you off the kitchen and order you NOT to do dishes maybe you should not begin your search in north Europe. It is a matter of preferences, right?

BL5s statement "Only a fool or an ignorant will tell you not to marry an Asian girl." can only pass uncommented. How can one even begin criticize an ignorant generalization like that?

So the only advice to give must be NOT to listen to anyone here. Romantic, naive optimists, cynics, addicts, etc. We all come here for some distraction and/or socializing in this cheerful and horny little flock of monkeys.

What relevance can be found in any advice here? You can get advice on signals and patterns other have seen and perhaps not reacted on, but thats where the relevance stops. The rest is simplifications serving to air someones ego (just like this is mine blowing off steam. Yes you are correct I have not been to Asia to get my ego fix in a while).

The fact that you ask proves more distance than many here will ever achieve. If you love her, you should be with her. Until you don't love her. Her background does not bear any relevance in predicting your success. You posses the ability and power to react and adapt to whatever errors her background might "make her do" 2-3 years down the line. If the marriage is required for practical reasons it would be a mistake not to marry her, regardless of her background.

I live in a relation since many years, and we all know they are never strait and simple. We all have a history and they all seem just as messed up when looked in to.

After reading all opinions I ask myself what exactly is it in a "bar girls" life experience that would be problematic? The fact that she drinks alcohol regularly (if she even does)? The shame imposed by society in using her body labor for sex instead of making pizzas, circuit boards or fancy hair dresses? Or is it maybe the hard core sales person those girls become in some cases? Seeing every customer as an object to keep happy, to make them hand over as much of their money as possible? Compare this to a waitress, a car seller, an insurance policy sales man, or any other person selling something. They all get affected and alter as persons after a while. I constantly read about people failing to have a happy life with bar girls, but it seems like they are all still in the same phase and mental state as when they met the bar girl. Who is the actual problem in those "attempts"?

This perhaps turned out to be more of a comment on BL5s post than an advice on if a girl that used to have sex to earn money can be categorized as a suitable or non suitable regular partner.

In my opinion you have provided to little facts for anyone to, if ever, give you any relevant advice on this particular person.

But to cut it short I fall in line with BL5, although from my angle. Go ahead and marry her tomorrow! You can always divorce her if things does not work out.

/Best from Barba

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[Member #4491]

"Marriage is an old religious relic that has no relevance to defining a happy twosome."

Even the ROD software/editor agrees! :-D Now who can argue with that?

All the best from Barba

[Vaquero]

I just got off the phone not along ago with customer service for my mobile phone provider.

I'm a little preoccupied, so I didn't pick up the inflection at first, but it turned out that I was talking to a filipina. Though I don't speak the language, I do like the accent.

Anyway, she started talking to me about visiting the islands -- namely, Boracay, Bohol and Palawan -- and asking me my age and my height, etc. She told me she's 22 and 5'7" and a former model.

After our call, at my request, she texted me her phone number.

I'm about ready to exhaust all my vacation time on family business, so my dick won't be reaching there anytime soon. But it's strange how quickly they'll come out with that.

Is all the pussy from that part of the world tasty? That's been my experience so far.

Seems to me if you get U.S. women who are freaky in bed, it's likely because they were molested as children. Very common. That's the pillow talk I've gotten. Very dramatic.

Meanwhile, the filipinas seem naturally horny, but they descend upon your cash and assetts like a storm of locusts. And soon enough, you have a whole houseful of jabbering bug-eaters. But in its own way, it can be rather serene.

I told this girl that I'd dated a filipina before, but following tradition, it was a matter of weeks before she was talking about moving her mother in with us.

"Oh, we're very expensive," she said.

[FreebieFan]

I just got off the phone not along ago with customer service for my mobile phone provider.

I'm a little preoccupied, so I didn't pick up the inflection at first, but it turned out that I was talking to a filipina. Though I don't speak the language, I do like the accent.

Anyway, she started talking to me about visiting the islands -- namely, Boracay, Bohol and Palawan -- and asking me my age and my height, etc. She told me she's 22 and 5'7" and a former model.

After our call, at my request, she texted me her phone number.

I'm about ready to exhaust all my vacation time on family business, so my dick won't be reaching there anytime soon. But it's strange how quickly they'll come out with that.

Is all the pussy from that part of the world tasty? That's been my experience so far.

Seems to me if you get U.S. women who are freaky in bed, it's likely because they were molested as children. Very common. That's the pillow talk I've gotten. Very dramatic.

Meanwhile, the filipinas seem naturally horny, but they descend upon your cash and assetts like a storm of locusts. And soon enough, you have a whole houseful of jabbering bug-eaters. But in its own way, it can be rather serene.

I told this girl that I'd dated a filipina before, but following tradition, it was a matter of weeks before she was talking about moving her mother in with us.

"Oh, we're very expensive," she said.The expensive ones are usually the ones who have relatives in US, who have been spoilt with gifts from realtivces returning and ho generally look on peope from US ( as in all Westerners) as those with money.

There are then those who are well travelled with " old money" and have been ussed to a certain lifestyle.

And then there are those with excellent values who dont care for materialism and dont try and download your wealth.

Its tough when they are tarred with same brush, or maybe Im lucky to have a mother in law who has her own life and doesnt need to move in with me, who has never so much as once asked for money etc. They do exist ......they are not all the same.

[Yella Man]

The expensive ones are usually the ones who have relatives in US, who have been spoilt with gifts from realtivces returning and ho generally look on peope from US ( as in all Westerners) as those with money.

There are then those who are well travelled with " old money" and have been ussed to a certain lifestyle.

And then there are those with excellent values who dont care for materialism and dont try and download your wealth.

Its tough when they are tarred with same brush, or maybe Im lucky to have a mother in law who has her own life and doesnt need to move in with me, who has never so much as once asked for money etc. They do exist ......they are not all the same.


Painted with the same brush they are Freebiefan! Mostly because the men doing the painting usually meet all their girls in the same type of venue such as the bar scene, and we all know after a girl has been in the scene for a while she picks up some very bad habits. I've meet a number of non-bargirls who wouldn't take my money or even let me buy them anything of great value while out browsing the malls. Nor have they requested any money for a mysterious illness that has struck them or some one else in their family after I had left the Phils. Good girls like that do exist there. I'm almost ashamed to take advantage of such sweet girls. But they seem to enjoy the attention so I keep doing what I do...and loving every second of it! If I were the marrying type, I'd have been married several times over to some of the sweeties I have met during my travels. But why buy the Cookie Jar when I can remove the lid and take a cookie any time I want to?

Always on the Quest

Yella Man

[X Man]

Barba, Vaq, and FF, thanks for the interesting posts.

I loved the cookie jar analogy, but couldn't help changing it.

Why should I buy the cookie jar, when I can visit the cookie factory anytime I want?

X

[Yella Man]

Warm, soft, fresh and tasty cookies straight from the factory! And if you don't like the flavor visit a different factory to see what they're baking! You have a point X.

YM

[Bill Buxton]

I may be the only one here who would support you to do what you feel right, if you want to marry a bar girl go for it.

Most of the advice you are getting here are from mongers who are from west where the divorce rate is 50% or rather 1 in 2 mongers here are divorced, separated or never married, very few including me knows the true emotions of love but we all here know the emotions of lust and its association with money.

Western men may be the last place you would wanna go to take advice on love and marriage :D no hard feelings guys...

Asia has a fairly good percentage of love lasting till death do us apart, your chance of success with an Asian girl no matter where she is from is far greater than the women from west.

I'm from India where the divorce rate is very very low, 98% marriages are successful more or less same is with east Asian countries and same is true with Philippines.

Only a fool or an ignorant will tell you not to marry an Asian girl.

Its like an Asian dude advising the size of dicks to a western men. Some things we should better leave it to others. Western folks are never good at relationship stuff, they should not advice people whom they themselves have failed at again and again.

Here western mongers will always pick on the negative side of things and then would happily relate it to money, money, money...everything starts and ends with money for them.

They would never appreciate the culture of family the Filipinos lay emphasis on...rest be assured if you have a Filipino kid, he will be more respectful and would never abandon you to an old age home. At least you will have some people to fall back on. (sorry to bring the kid factor in)

Why would you not love to have a big large family, the western mongers will counter it by saying you will be the family ATM for all, agree, but you would also be the one who would get number 1 respect among all, you would also be the decision maker unlike if you have a western wife who would take all your money yet not listen to you. why haven't anyone mentioned this to you ?

We can not have both ways, its time for introspection, ever wondered why Asian marriages are successful than the west, if money was the only factor, then west should have the lowest divorce rate... quite the opposite right...which itself says that all assumption that Filipina or Asian girl would be after your money is wrong else if not then west should have successful marriage day in and day out which is not true.

Now the question of she being a bar girl and all the negative comments fellow mongers are writing about her background and what your life will become if you marry her.

This could only be answered and understood if a monger would please take the factor of money and survival out of the situation and think purely on spiritual grounds.

Spiritualism Precedes Materialism, nature created us... men did not create sun, moon and the galaxies, if you base your marriage on money and nothing else, the relationship is bound to fail....when you met her..it was your call of destiny and karma rather than you met her because you had desires for sex and she had to work in the bar to support her family and herself etc.

This critical thinking difference would decide if your marriage is going to be successful or not..its more like believing that man is spiritual than material that would decide your destiny with her.

Its the ignorance which is the greatest sin, people would say "what a load of crap, do you want me to believe in some snake oil theory about karma and destiny not on her survival, if it was not for the bar you would not have met her in the first place etc and if you ask the same "what a load of crap" guys on why western marriage fail in spite of the best life a society can give...they don't have answer to that ...survival, job, money, developed societies etc are not the criteria for successful marriage.

If she was not a bar girl but a highly sophisticated girl, your chances of success with her would be exactly same as the bar girl, cos the underlying thinking has not changed.

THE POINT IS SUCCESSFUL MARRIAGE HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH MONEY, JOB, SOCIAL STATUS, DEVELOPED OR THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, BAR GIRL, NORMAL GIRL ETC...marriage is spiritual not materialistic...

If you keep on thinking..ooh i met her in a bar, will she dump me later for money because she is a bar girl...your marriage will end as many mongers here are predicting, just by thinking differently and in a spiritual way will do wonders for your marriage.

Its up to you really to shape your relationship anyway you want. Her background of being a bar girl does not matter at all as long as you think in the right way.

Good luck to you.....i would say just go for it...if you have taken a thoughtful decision and you feel for it.

Nothing personal folks, i may have touched some sensitive issues, but it is not directed at any particular person. peace out no fighting on opinions :)Whats the difference with a bar gal or a bar fly in the west? A bar gal here gets paid for what she does for a job. Feeds the family, the kids, and the people that don't have money in the family. The western party gal, bar fly, or whatever you call her, just fucks at will, at the drop of a hat for a drink or dinner. They give the ass away for free, they all run there mouth and often are nasty and rude. I never had a gal embarrass me anywhere in the PI. Most all would not get drunk enough to ever be a problem. The gals in the states act an ass most nights out and that's 4-5-7 nights a week. What ya saying, that's the right girl to bring home and wed and try to keep happy?

Who will you have more respect for? Girls are girls all over the world but remember this, they are all smarter than we are. If you treat the relationship with respect don't monkey around you can have a great relationship with any gal. Most put to much emphasis on the bar part, so she worked in a bar big deal. What about the western gal "again" fucking at will with whoever walks in the door? I am sure most bar gals will not do that, any smart bar gal only goes out of the bar with who she wants to. Its not a forced situation in most cases, so they do who they want and as often as they want.

I am sure a person "female" from any country would not like to be treated like a dog anywhere.

QUOTE,
Here western mongers will always pick on the negative side of things and then would happily relate it to money, money, money...everything starts and ends with money for them.

I am sure some of that is because they know how we are. Most gals here know we are the easiest to push over. We have more compassion and bigger wallets than most have. Who is a better find the old US guy getting 2-3 -k a month or the guy that spends a week 2 times a year from somewhere else. That's a no brain-er, eat rice every day or just 1-2 times a year??? Could be we are more gullible than other places. Pick the one you want but we do pay the freight. The greenback still tops the other currencies in most cases. Yes you are right we do talk money lots of the time but so do others that have more than a buck or two. Unless you have a printing press or a pipeline from some arms sale business you gotta keep up on the money. It also makes a difference if you get a small pension verses the big timer that has liquid cash in a bank. Most guys live on a budget and have to stay inside that budget every month.


QUOTE,

Why would you not love to have a big large family, the western mongers will counter it by saying you will be the family ATM for all, agree, but you would also be the one who would get number 1 respect among all, you would also be the decision maker unlike if you have a western wife who would take all your money yet not listen to you. why haven't anyone mentioned this to you ?


In most cases this is true about being the big shot and the respect. Please don't think this is most of the time because its not. Some here don't care about anything but what they can skim out of the foreign guy. They scam and slither trying to get every peso the poor fool has. And they use there little gal for leverage in the plan.

Its a hard spot to be in for any gal with the relathives asking cash,food,drinks, and everything else they think they need.

Remember these are the same nice Fathers and mothers that send the little girl away to work in a bar so THEY can live better. This is not a western,eastern anything its a way of life we all have to deal with. I have seen as many fools from the states as I have from every other dot on a map acting good and bad.

Please don't think so one sided when you are talking about the west. I seem to recall most of the Indians and others taking there little piece of the action in the states. I am also sure they are sending GREEN MONEY back to that wonderful place you call home. Its like talking about the farmer with your mouth full. IT DONT WORK...



B.B.

[SmartEuropean]

I may be the only one here who would support you to do what you feel right, if you want to marry a bar girl go for it.

Most of the advice you are getting here are from mongers who are from west where the divorce rate is 50% or rather 1 in 2 mongers here are divorced, separated or never married, very few including me knows the true emotions of love but we all here know the emotions of lust and its association with money.

Western men may be the last place you would wanna go to take advice on love and marriage :D no hard feelings guys...

Asia has a fairly good percentage of love lasting till death do us apart, your chance of success with an Asian girl no matter where she is from is far greater than the women from west.

I'm from India where the divorce rate is very very low, 98% marriages are successful more or less same is with east Asian countries and same is true with Philippines.

Only a fool or an ignorant will tell you not to marry an Asian girl.

Its like an Asian dude advising the size of dicks to a western men. Some things we should better leave it to others. Western folks are never good at relationship stuff, they should not advice people whom they themselves have failed at again and again.

Here western mongers will always pick on the negative side of things and then would happily relate it to money, money, money...everything starts and ends with money for them.

They would never appreciate the culture of family the Filipinos lay emphasis on...rest be assured if you have a Filipino kid, he will be more respectful and would never abandon you to an old age home. At least you will have some people to fall back on. (sorry to bring the kid factor in)

Why would you not love to have a big large family, the western mongers will counter it by saying you will be the family ATM for all, agree, but you would also be the one who would get number 1 respect among all, you would also be the decision maker unlike if you have a western wife who would take all your money yet not listen to you. why haven't anyone mentioned this to you ?

We can not have both ways, its time for introspection, ever wondered why Asian marriages are successful than the west, if money was the only factor, then west should have the lowest divorce rate... quite the opposite right...which itself says that all assumption that Filipina or Asian girl would be after your money is wrong else if not then west should have successful marriage day in and day out which is not true.

Now the question of she being a bar girl and all the negative comments fellow mongers are writing about her background and what your life will become if you marry her.

This could only be answered and understood if a monger would please take the factor of money and survival out of the situation and think purely on spiritual grounds.

Spiritualism Precedes Materialism, nature created us... men did not create sun, moon and the galaxies, if you base your marriage on money and nothing else, the relationship is bound to fail....when you met her..it was your call of destiny and karma rather than you met her because you had desires for sex and she had to work in the bar to support her family and herself etc.

This critical thinking difference would decide if your marriage is going to be successful or not..its more like believing that man is spiritual than material that would decide your destiny with her.

Its the ignorance which is the greatest sin, people would say "what a load of crap, do you want me to believe in some snake oil theory about karma and destiny not on her survival, if it was not for the bar you would not have met her in the first place etc and if you ask the same "what a load of crap" guys on why western marriage fail in spite of the best life a society can give...they don't have answer to that ...survival, job, money, developed societies etc are not the criteria for successful marriage.

If she was not a bar girl but a highly sophisticated girl, your chances of success with her would be exactly same as the bar girl, cos the underlying thinking has not changed.

THE POINT IS SUCCESSFUL MARRIAGE HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH MONEY, JOB, SOCIAL STATUS, DEVELOPED OR THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, BAR GIRL, NORMAL GIRL ETC...marriage is spiritual not materialistic...

If you keep on thinking..ohh i met her in a bar, will she dump me later for money because she is a bar girl...your marriage will end as many mongers here are predicting, just by thinking differently and in a spiritual way will do wonders for your marriage.

Its upto you really to shape your relationship anyway you want. Her background of being a bar girl does not matter at all as long as you think in the right way.

Good luck to you.....i would say just go for it...if you have taken a thoughtful decision and you feel for it.

Nothing personal folks, i may have touched some sensitive issues, but it is not directed at any particular person. peace out no fighting on opinions :)Well, you are not the only one who would support me, but definitely one of the few. Yes, correct, most of the advices here come from the same type of men, even if I do not see the world in black and white as you seem to do.

I have no information enough to say whether Asia has a fairly good percentage of love lasting relationship, but, according to my experience, I always feel that the Asian girls are "different".

Why would I not love to have a big large family? Because here growing children is ridiculously expensive. And I know what you might reply: they do not need money to grow up happy but, unfortunately, we are all well in the "money mechanism" and so it is not easy to find a way out. And you do not need to blame about western women, since I know it very well and it is why I am thinking to take now one who is not born in a Western Country.

I fully agree that she being a bar girl is not the biggest problem. But it is hard to believe that a girl so much younger can decide to marry such a much older man only for spiritual reason, under a general point of view. I do not know whether when I met her it was my call of destiny and karma, but I really felt very well. That is all. And I thank you for your lines which added a new point of view.

[Vaquero]

The only problem I'd have with working bar girls on a regular basis is that they would entertain all sorts of clients, some of whom who'd insist on unprotected sex even if they have an STD.

Otherwise, even though I'm American and I drank a lot before I turned 21, I don't really enjoy the prospect of getting blotto before sex. Don't get me wrong, I can still get it up after a bottle of Jager. I just don't like that polluted feeling and don't much care for women who smoke and drink to excess.

One of my brother's friends long ago had a job as part of some international commission that took him to the Phillipines. A local dude took him to a very upscale bordello, and at 21 or so, my bro's friend was amazed and had his best sex ever with a stunner who worked there.

The bummer for him is he got herpes, but he makes enough cash now that his American fiancee somehow overlooked that and now they just tango around the outbreaks.

But my brother said that despite catching herpes, this dude still has an awestruck look on his face every time he talks about fucking that broad.

[GoodEnough]

To use India as a standard by which to judge anything anywhere else is, in my opinion, ridiculous. First, a large number, if not most marriages there are "arranged," by parents so love doesn't enter into the equation at all except, perhaps, later. Second, divorce is low partially because it's a societal no-no, which is important in a totally conformist society, because it would rupture clain/familial relationships which are the basis for many marriages, and because the grooms' mothers, who basically control the lives of the young marrieds, wouldn't stand for it. My six-month tour in that place led me to that it's one of the most sexually repressed places on earth. Divorce is high in the West because there's a concept called free will, which does not, for the most part, exist in India.

As to the "should I/shouldn't I" question, I'd take Barba's advice and remove the bar girl background from the equation, and go with your own feelings, her feelings and your sense of her character. Most girls work in P4P bars as a matter of survival; thus the fact that she did so is no predictor of future behavior once her survival needs are taken care of. I would be much more concerned about other factors, such as her expectations regarding your providing support to her family; her ability to manage money; her common sense; her intelligence; and her integrity, none of which have anything to do with what she used to to earn money.

You might want to consider just living with her for a year or so to get a better sense of the aforementioned, before taking the leap into marriage.

GE

[Sammon]

Well, you are not the only one who would support me, but definitely one of the few. Yes, correct, most of the advices here come from the same type of men, even if I do not see the world in black and white as you seem to do.

I have no information enough to say whether Asia has a fairly good percentage of love lasting relationship, but, according to my experience, I always feel that the Asian girls are "different".

Why would I not love to have a big large family? Because here growing children is ridiculously expensive. And I know what you might reply: they do not need money to grow up happy but, unfortunately, we are all well in the "money mechanism" and so it is not easy to find a way out. And you do not need to blame about western women, since I know it very well and it is why I am thinking to take now one who is not born in a Western Country.

I fully agree that she being a bar girl is not the biggest problem. But it is hard to believe that a girl so much younger can decide to marry such a much older man only for spiritual reason, under a general point of view. I do not know whether when I met her it was my call of destiny and karma, but I really felt very well. That is all. And I thank you for your lines which added a new point of view.
Advantages of marrying a bargirl.
1. She has been with enough men to know what you want to hear.
2. More experience in sex probably all three holes.
3. If she has gone out on trips with enough foreigners she would have found
a taste in liking for our kind of food.
4. Will be a good company wherever you take her for e.g. will know how to fold the napkin, correct way to use knife and pork, how to dress properly etc.
5. Will tolerate your mongering on the side and may participate in also.
6. She has been treated like shit by mamasans, bar managers, customers and other girls, so she would have a high tolerance factor.
7. Would be happy with a stable life.

[Member #4167]

Advantages of marrying a bargirl.

1. She has been with enough men to know what you want to hear.

2. More experience in sex probably all three holes.

3. If she has gone out on trips with enough foreigners she would have found
a taste in liking for our kind of food.

4. Will be a good company wherever you take her for e.g. will know how to fold the napkin, correct way to use knife and pork, how to dress properly etc.

5. Will tolerate your mongering on the side and may participate in also.

6. She has been treated like shit by mamasans, bar managers, customers and other girls, so she would have a high tolerance factor.

7. Would be happy with a stable life.I disagree with some of your points:

3. She will be spoiled, and used to men spending big bucks on her.

5. I doubt this. She will want to lock you up. She will fight and nag and cause tantrums to ensure that all of your loads and all of your money are spent on her.

[Yellow Fever #2]

Advantages of marrying a bargirl.
1. She has been with enough men to know what you want to hear.
2. More experience in sex probably all three holes.
3. If she has gone out on trips with enough foreigners she would have found
a taste in liking for our kind of food.
4. Will be a good company wherever you take her for e.g. will know how to fold the napkin, correct way to use knife and pork, how to dress properly etc.
5. Will tolerate your mongering on the side and may participate in also.
6. She has been treated like shit by mamasans, bar managers, customers and other girls, so she would have a high tolerance factor.
7. Would be happy with a stable life.

1. She know what you want to hear, so she will say it whether it is true or not. She only aims to please you.
2. All three holes have been available, trained and well used. Perhaps your friends know her intimately too.
3. She has or may have traveled with foreigners in style and tasted our food but she still likes her own.
4. Depending on her upbringing, she may know how to use a knife and a fork but prefers to use her hands. She will definitely know how to dress for the bar and how to apply makeup.
5. She will be jealous and have a very tuned radar to your mongering ways. She will know how to take care of herself on the side.
6. She will have a high tolerance factor. (we agree)
7. We hope she would be happy with a stable life but it is really hard to give up the nightlife. All that matters is that she can take care of her family.

I've heard that bargirls can make great girlfriends and wonderful wives but it is a very high risk option.

I do not think most bargirls are very skilled in fine etiquette and high culture but I suppose they can learn. Most have lived lives in poverty with little or no education and nothing but the clothes on their back and their physical assets which rapidly decline in value over time.

Dating a bar girl is risky. SE take your time with her. I agree you can marry her and if needed you can divorce her too. As Barba wrote marriage is a relic but you will probably need to take this step in order to import her to your country and to 'make her happy'.

I've had my experience with PI bar girls in the past. I probably won't repeat it but I won't say never. My little head frequently prevails.

Remember the 3 Fs, find em, fuck em, forget em.

[Starchild2012]

Anyone that followed my posts knows I am a hard headed atheist, at least when we are talking about any traditional sense of religion. I never go in to argument with peoples living in the fantasy land called religion. Neither do I try to convert people who believe the earth is flat.



I agree with your assessment on individuality and that national boundaries, race, cultures does not matter, but you have to understand that in order for me to make a point i had no choice but to differentiate everything first and then find some perspective on why things are the way they are.

I could have gone directly and touched the spiritual line..without mentioning day today life and the problems and issues we have but it won't make any sense.

I view my life completely in a spiritual way, so i don't believe whatsoever in racism, nationalism or all the other ....ism's that exist but again to make a point i have to brings some difficult issues up.

It is not the platform to discuss spirituality we know, but i think even our mongering would be more fun spiritually. :)

We could discuss the Atheists versus gods debate in PM :) but just to make some lines so that it would help us monger have more fun without feeling guilty.

I started as an atheist, but i felt it lacked answers to the questions of morality, i always felt guilty after paying for sex, don't know why, someway deep down the heart, i felt what im doing is wrong, even if i pay the bar girl high tips, i felt bad for her. Then when i started dating regular girls i still felt guilty, cheating on innocent girls.

I knew deep down my heart, whom i'm kidding, its not right, but i could not find the answer as to why i feel like that.

What was the reason that i felt bad. Being good was not enough, there was a sense of guilt too.

Every Atheist & a believer knows in his heart being selfish is good short time but somewhere deeper down in his heart he knows giving away and being unselfish is still better.

No monger here likes a selfish bar girl who goes with us only for money, everyone love a unselfish giver bar girl who gives our money's worth.

Not many people know, Buddha was an Atheist, he rejected all the gods in India and the temples and priests etc. He never once took a guru, did yoga, or read scriptures...he founds all the answers by himself...yet he reached exactly the same nirvana what the scriptures wrote.

He debated with all the priests and gurus, that if there is such a god in the world then why so much pain and suffering, if there is a god, i would find it myself etc.

There is a hell lot of misunderstanding about Atheism and spiritualism, you don't have to believe in some higher power to be spiritual, it is perfectly ok to be Atheist only equation is you have to reach a conclusion of your path.

I don't get Atheists moral code of conduct if they have any and in my line of fun doing bar girls, i feel only spiritualism has the answers for a guilty free good karmic fun.

I would love to know what is your moral code of conduct with regards to bar girls and fun, if you say be good to them, get the value for money, never hurt or get ripped off by bar girls etc..it wont be enough...'cos i need to know the reason WHY I SHOULD BE GOOD TO EVERYONE AROUND and not a jacckass :)

[Chocha Monger]

I don’t know YF a guy should feel like he deserves more in life. I don’t care how ugly, fat, stupid, broke, old…. SE can't you give yourself more credit than that? Just an opinion.

Well, when a man plans to continue mongering in his marriage he can hardly demand undying love and devotion from his wife. Perhaps this is the reason why so many mongers marry bar girls. In their hearts they can never really leave mongering behind. You can take the girl out the bar but you can't ever take the monger out the wh*rehouse.

[Starchild2012]

Lots of us mongers support you and your right to marry a bar girl. I previously gave SE my support and some considerations that he

should be aware of.

I entertained the idea once and had a relationship with an experienced Philippine bar girl, she lived with me in China for about 6 months

until I terminated our relationship due to 'irregularities', basically she was enough dishonest for me to give her up and I had burned too

much cash to support her family.

I think your statistics on Western vs Eastern marriages is a load of crap. China is rife with divorce, it is a simple procedure which

takes all of 20 minutes to complete. In the Philippines divorce is nearly impossible, so second marriages just happen without divorce. It

is possible to get papers from the NSO saying you are single even when you are not.

Thailand, much the same. Guys leave their wives for others frequently. Look at DIA, every girl wants a man to only be with them. This

must come from experience, it is not a fairy tale.

My experience with Indonesian chicks, says divorce is quite common there too.

Such is life.

Stats keep changhing year on year but in comparison, generally we know divorce rate in the west is higher than Asia.

http://nitawriter.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/divorce-rates-of-the-world/

China in total is all of the population of Europe and North America combined, Asia itself has more than 50% of all humanity . So with a

ratio of the total population to divorce clearly west outnumber Asian countries.

But leave that aside, what we want is the reason "why marriages fail and why some succeed, i was merely trying to gauge into various

factors that make marriages successful or failure and implying that her being a bar girl has nothing to do with a successful marriage or

failure.




I'm glad that 98% of Indian marriage last forever, perhaps the people don't live long enough to find others, perhaps arranged marriages are

the way to go, perhaps poverty or family pressure forces couples to remain together. Perhaps villages and languages are different. Maybe

the law discourages divorce. Maybe it is just the tradition in India. Maybe the women are too weak in the relationship. Maybe the women

and the men couldn't give a rats ass if they take other lovers. Maybe you get the death penalty or get stoned if you are an adulterer.

Maybe men can do whatever the fuck they want and the woman can't do anything about it. Maybe castration is a form of birth control in

India? I doubt it is down to spirituality. I really don't know the reason. in fact I don't care and frankly I don't believe it.

SE, go marry an Indian chick. Get castrated (become a Eunuch) in the process. At least you won't have the 'balls' to leave your bride.

Not sure about her though leaving you though. To reduce the risk of her fleeing (or courting other males), you could chain her to the bed

or lock her in a dungeon.


what you said is very true...basically, this may come as a surprise...but marriages in India is considered low, it is a belief that only

the weak marry, if you are strong you pursue the highest ideology of India and that is spiritualism. again, i'm not saying this as

something great, its the character that a nation develops over time to survive.

You forgot to mention about the dowry and the women being burned alive in 100's due to dowry related problems in India and then the caste

problem on marriages etc, everything has gotten corrupt, its a big business there.

But, you have to put everything in perspective and in contest of what we are trying to figure. i'm not taking sides, I was comparing east

and the west for the sake of putting things in perspective.

As as i said SUCCESSFUL MARRIAGE HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH MONEY, JOB, SOCIAL STATUS, DEVELOPED OR THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, BAR GIRL,

NORMAL GIRL ETC..

so there is no question of being born in India and having a successful marriage but i had to counter it due to the fact that many consider

bar girls to be low and only after money and some say, its bound to 100% fail.




Although I have never directly compared and only heard circumstantially from bar girls that i see, I agree with your statement that Asian

dudes, perhaps especially Chinese guys have tiny weewees. Us Caucasian guys are big like stallions. Who the fuck cares?

Maybe it is the fact that most Asians have tiny dicks, keeps a marriage strong??

As you say Western folks are never good at relationship stuff. I think you should tell this young poor innocent girl NOT to get married to

SmartEuropean because he as a Westerner is not good at relationship stuff. Why give him the go ahead, you should protect her, so that she

does not lose 'face' and have a bad relationship with a high potential for divorce. Remember Western people are the problem, eastern

marriages are made in heaven and are perfect according to you.

Funny....What according to you is "losing face" for an Asian....it is one of the famous con game to fool an educated western good hearted

monger. :)

Common, you still buy that crap from Asians...losing face...what losing face...she sleeps with 100 men from all over the world...no losing

face, she lives single mom with a child from foreigner and everyone knows...no losing face..she asks 10,000 times for money money money for

this and that.... no losing face....she asks for load every now and then ...no losing face...you take her to mcdonalds, jollybee, SM mall

of asia...and spend a fortune on her and she never had the courtesy to say...ok today the dinner is on me...no losing face there too....she

says she loves you and then dates 100 other men from DIA to Filipina heart and when you caught her red handed, that was not losing

face...she merely said..they were all their cousins and you knew she is lying yet you forgive her not creating a big scene and moved

on...that was no losing face to her....she does 100 other things that normal people on planet earth will consider cheating, dishonesty,

disrespect...... no no just beacuse you want to keep your asian vacation as fairy tale as possible you give it a charming exotic sexy name

"Losing Face" and people have built tourism industry on it based on something unique only to Asians called "losing face"

There is no separate thing as losing face...but we get it what you trying to imply...so it should not be related to mere embarrassment but

it should be more related to or higher than cheating, dishonesty & disloyalty.




Big large family, basically no birth control in the Philippines makes for a very poor country. We know who we can thank for this; the

extreme Catholic church in that country. Lots of poor impoverished people do not make a strong family or country, only makes for a larger

shared poverty. Family planning helps to make life on this planet sustainable.

This is what a big family does to your country: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=922035&postcount=232
GE is an example of a foreigner with a very successful marriage to a PI girl.

I guess in the PI, family is all you have. Let the girls go out and sell themselves to support the males at home because no one is able to

get a job.

If we go back to SmartEuropean's situation, how will he and his own children feel, if his new bride is younger than his existing kids.

Just a thought, not a reason to give up but only a consideration.

Should SE and his new bride choose to 'breed' in the future, it is their choice. I hope that they have children they can afford to take

care of and not have children because the church commands them to.

I'm willing to bet that if their relationship lasts more than 3 years (hopefully), the pressure to have offspring on SE from his wife will

be great. Never say never.



Well, we all are trying to achieve a perfect balance in society aren't we, PH is no perfect, try telling that to Nordic countries, Russians

and Japanese, they are giving incentives to have a big large family. you cant have both ways.

Regarding poverty, well 1 in 9 Americans still live on Food stamps, lucky for them US dollar is still accepted as a reserve currency.

PH may be poor but not stupid, they will understand the same way, as Aston kutcher, Donald trump, Hugh hefner new related kids and million

other American kids understand their dad mom new relations no big deal there.




I cannot confirm either way if this is true but my feeling is it just a load of meaningless crap. Hey BL5, do you have any statistics for

marriages between east and western people? How about different educational levels? Different ages? Different religions?

I fully support SE and his happiness. I wish him success in whatever he decides.

I support people who want to get married. I also support people who choose to get divorced because marriage does not always work. It

happens in ALL cultures.

Till death do us part was a lot more meaningful and reasonable when people had a lifespan of 30 years.


At least this part of your comment, I will completely agree.

I never trust my feelings, i started to trust facts..when i lost a lot of ground on what i'm thinking and what actually is happening to me.

Well, again,,,,shit happens,,, i quote stats and even facts to score a point here and there and make a discussion...after a while even that

changes..so whats the use of facts and stats and figures...even if i quote east west stats, education stats...its material for few years

..after 10 years..we will come back again and discuss it in the opposite ways.

[Starchild2012]

Whats the difference with a bar gal or a bar fly in the west?

B.B.

I was making a point that, no one knows if a marriage would be successful or not irrespective of money, caste, nationality, religion etc.

I completely understand what you trying to say, I was trying to make a different point that marriages are more spiritual than material. Spiritualism is very vague here, As Barba pointed out, regarding religion, i had to make a strong point that spiritualism is different than organised religion, so i had to compare between east and the west.

People confuse spiritualism with religion, dogma, creed, race, nationality, but i could not go there directly, it would be confusing, so had to differentiate between east and the west.

I live a spiritual life but it does not stop me from mongering.

The very reason i'm here not in India is because as Joseph Campbell puts it perfectly "Follow your bliss".

I had a very different background than most of the mongers here, i lost my virginity well past in 20's and experienced real sex not missionary after my 30's even with bars girls spending all my first job money back home, i never thought i would have one night stands, girls 18 year old would come to my condo, would be sad, if i did not f her properly, respect me for what i'm etc etc.

I could make more if i go back to India but what the f for, i experienced half of my life back there, i never knew i had so much potential :), all my dreams have come true, you may call me a sex maniac but i had a high sexual energy from birth i guess.

I may be partial when it comes to PH, 'cos for me it has given me so much, i feel like i got my lost identity back :)

I value good behavior, respect from people, who doesn't, so if i get a free coke or free rice from JollyBee it means a lot to me, but for you, it may not mean anything, you may not attach any feelings to that, cos you are used to it back in your country not i.

I still cherish, folks here giving me sometimes free beer, free rice and free coke.

I could NEVER EVER DO what i have done here, back in India. Its like i have drunk the spirit of bliss here, everything is soo perfect.

So you see, what you think may be wrong would be perfect for me, 'cos i did not even had that back in my country. With that perspective, i was making a point.

Good Luck.

[Starchild2012]

. My six-month tour in that place led me to that it's one of the most sexually repressed places on earth. Divorce is high in the West because there's a concept called free will, which does not, for the most part, exist in India.

GE

You forgot to mention that women are a commodity now a days in India and women are burned alive in 100's for the sake of Dowry and also the problem with intercaste marriage etc.

There was a tradition of "sati" where married women would voluntarily die along with the dead husband.

Not to mention girls, as young as 10 are being married in India.

Check this youtube video to see how girls in India are assaulted for visiting pubs in broad daylight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7yg-bdlmko

You talk of racism....higher caste in India even today won't eat the food if a foreigners shadow has passed on it...yes not touching but a mere shadow is good enough for them to throw all the food away.

You are also right that, India is the most sexually repressed nation on earth which is the reason i love Philippines so much.

If all of the above is true, you have to also find out, where it is all coming from.

Marriages in India is considered "lower" than becoming a yogi or sanyasi. To get married is not the highest and the best thing a man can do, only a weak marry, not the strong.... strong pursue higher ideals in life.

Now this statement you won't read it everywhere but it is the basis on which all of Indian customs and society is built....ignorant masses are everywhere, one has to reason behind the obvious.

In the end of my post i wrote ...SUCCESSFUL MARRIAGE HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH MONEY, JOB, SOCIAL STATUS, DEVELOPED OR THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, BAR GIRL, NORMAL GIRL ETC. ..so clearly i was not trying to take sides, but for the sake of explanation i had to differentiate.

Spiritualism is still snake oil business for people, hocus pocus and almighty crap, so i had to explain it by differentiating between east and the west.

[Yellow Fever #2]

I agree with your assessment on individuality and that national boundaries, race, cultures does not matter, but you have to understand that in order for me to make a point i had no choice but to differentiate everything first and then find some perspective on why things are the way they are.

I could have gone directly and touched the spiritual line..without mentioning day today life and the problems and issues we have but it won't make any sense.

I view my life completely in a spiritual way, so i don't believe whatsoever in racism, nationalism or all the other ....ism's that exist but again to make a point i have to brings some difficult issues up.

It is not the platform to discuss spirituality we know, but i think even our mongering would be more fun spiritually. :)

We could discuss the Atheists versus gods debate in PM :) but just to make some lines so that it would help us monger have more fun without feeling guilty.

I started as an atheist, but i felt it lacked answers to the questions of morality, i always felt guilty after paying for sex, don't know why, someway deep down the heart, i felt what im doing is wrong, even if i pay the bar girl high tips, i felt bad for her. Then when i started dating regular girls i still felt guilty, cheating on innocent girls.

I knew deep down my heart, whom i'm kidding, its not right, but i could not find the answer as to why i feel like that.

What was the reason that i felt bad. Being good was not enough, there was a sense of guilt too.

Every Atheist & a believer knows in his heart being selfish is good short time but somewhere deeper down in his heart he knows giving away and being unselfish is still better.

No monger here likes a selfish bar girl who goes with us only for money, everyone love a unselfish giver bar girl who gives our money's worth.

Not many people know, Buddha was an Atheist, he rejected all the gods in India and the temples and priests etc. He never once took a guru, did yoga, or read scriptures...he founds all the answers by himself...yet he reached exactly the same nirvana what the scriptures wrote.

He debated with all the priests and gurus, that if there is such a god in the world then why so much pain and suffering, if there is a god, i would find it myself etc.

There is a hell lot of misunderstanding about Atheism and spiritualism, you don't have to believe in some higher power to be spiritual, it is perfectly ok to be Atheist only equation is you have to reach a conclusion of your path.

I don't get Atheists moral code of conduct if they have any and in my line of fun doing bar girls, i feel only spiritualism has the answers for a guilty free good karmic fun.

I would love to know what is your moral code of conduct with regards to bar girls and fun, if you say be good to them, get the value for money, never hurt or get ripped off by bar girls etc..it wont be enough...'cos i need to know the reason WHY I SHOULD BE GOOD TO EVERYONE AROUND and not a jacckass :)

You write your retorts like you were completely on the sauce and out of your mind but I don't think you are on the sauce ONLY out of your mind.

I am not sure you are good to anyone, including yourself.

Yellow Fever

[Member #4491]

bl5 let us discuss the general and subjective definitions/interpretations of atheism, and any moral or ethical implications of each interpretation, over a meal or a drink some day. it is somewhat ot here.

let me just briefly comment on your question;

humans are animals that lived in flocks during all our history. being good to some other person normally makes humans feel good. anyone with an open mindset can see the psychosocial logics involved.

if not, i suggest you turn the question around and ask yourself why you should not treat another human in a way you would like to be treated.

a common and rhetorical error made by religious and spiritual "believers" is not to acknowledge the burden of proof themselves, but to set up a hypothesis and then leap to theory if the "oppositions" does not disprove the hypothesis. the implications of such a reversed empirical practice is that any fantasy is true until someone bothers to prove it false. in addition - when someone does bother - these believers most often fall back to the good old denial leaning on the "anything is possible by the hand of god"-theorem. welcome to lala-land.

not believing in religious fairy tales does not mean you do not believe in the structural values of behavioral codes in a society or personal interaction. bees, monkeys, fishes - all have social codes of conduct, polished out by millions of years of evolution in collectives. the only difference is that they do not need to write them down in an old book (kitáb-i-aqdas, pāli canon, bible, vedas, qur'an, torah, arzhang, daozang, etc) to see the logic benefits of adapting to those social constructions.
yes, one can find help in finding a happy and balanced life in those books, but take all the ceremonies (including marriage) with a mega pinch of salt and remember that all those books - and their most often male authors - where not only selling "spiritual harmony and happiness".

gravity, universe, a rock, grass, photosynthesis or the unlikely and incredible fact that millions of years of randomness led you and me to walk this globe right this moment means enough motivation and spiritual value to trust the result of our psychosocial evolution. no need to dress it all up in a fancy but simplified story about an alpha male in heaven (or alpha force as semi believers like to rewrite the story to), just because our brains are to small to understand the true divinity of nature and universe.

an advice that proves me to be good over and over in life is "follow your gut feeling". it makes sense. what moral story about the life of some godly daddy in heaven can beat the combination of hundreds of thousands of years of genetic evolution and the unconsious statistical calculation of all data you collected through life, performed at ~30 m/s (the speed of a thought)?

over and out on this topic, at least here on the forum.

barba

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[FreebieFan]

Thought we were talking about chica'; s here. Seems like we have moved into a world of mysticism and Mumbai. Amazing how a chat about whether a bloke should marry a bargirl has morphed into right and wrong good and bad and what age we were when we lost our virginity.

Lets return from whence we came Gents.

[Oh Ya Papi]

Born loser from india.

His quote

"Funny. What according to you is "losing face" for an Asian. It is one of the famous con game to fool an educated western good hearted monger.

Common, you still buy that crap from Asians. Losing face. What losing face. She sleeps with 100 men from all over the world. No losing

Face, she lives single mom with a child from foreigner and everyone knows. No losing face. She asks 10, 000 times for money money money for

This and that. No losing face. She asks for load every now and then. No losing face. You take her to mcdonalds, jollybee, SM mall

Of asia. And spend a fortune on her and she never had the courtesy to say. Ok today the dinner is on me. No losing face there too. She

Says she loves you and then dates 100 other men from DIA to Filipina heart and when you caught her red handed, that was not losing

Face. She merely said. They were all their cousins and you knew she is lying yet you forgive her not creating a big scene and moved

On. That was no losing face to her. She does 100 other things that normal people on planet earth will consider cheating, dishonesty,

Disrespect. No no just beacuse you want to keep your asian vacation as fairy tale as possible you give it a charming exotic sexy name

"Losing Face" and people have built tourism industry on it based on something unique only to Asians called "losing face

There is no separate thing as losing face. But we get it what you trying to imply. So it should not be related to mere embarrassment but

It should be more related to or higher than cheating, dishonesty & disloyalty."

Now listen

Well filipinas, are considered, not asians but pacific islanders, and since I have been all over s. E. Asia and p. I. I can tell ya that the culture is different everywhere.

And to comment about what you were writting, saving face is HUGE in Thailand. I can speak some decent thai and from =chang mai, Bangkok, Pattaya, phuket, I have experienced just how " saving face" is important.

Never felt that that strong in cathlotic p. I.

Go to Thailand or vietnam and bow out and learn how saving face is good for you them and the scene.

Happy mongering!

[FreebieFan]

born loser from india.

and to comment about what you were writting, saving face is huge in thailand. i can speak some decent thai and from =chang mai, bangkok, pattaya, phuket, i have experienced just how " saving face" is important.

never felt that that strong in cathlotic p. i.

go to thailand or vietnam and bow out and learn how saving face is good for you them and the scene.

happy mongering!go work in china. every single decision that you make, and i mean every single one, will be viewed as gaining or losing face for the owner of the company.

once, in the middle of a meeting, i had to go [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134). no biggie right. oh yes it was. when i returned, i was told i had made the company owner lose face as he was in that meeting. yeah the chinese love to play these games. meanwhile back to talking about sex please.

[Cunning Stunt]

You are also right that, India is the most sexually repressed nation on earth which is the reason i love Philippines so much.


Too fuckin' right - couldn't agree more.

I'm down on Kovalam Beach at the moment. Out of season and not many tourists around but you still get busloads of young Indian males visiting on a day trip to the beach, not to swim or catch some rays (not that they need to) but to wander up and down the beach in the vague hope of catching sight of some bare, white female flesh. One foolish girl was unwise enough to strip down to her bikini and almost immediately was surrounded by a large entourage of gawking Indian guys, oggling and taking photo's. Now thats sexual repression for you:).

Where did it all go wrong - this is after all the culture that gave us Kama Suttra.

Was offered a Keralan girl (along with boys, charas, or a boat trip!!) by a local, out of work hotelier that I met on the beach today. Tempted as with their dark skin and beautifully rounded, bejewelled and sareed figures, they are rather tasty. But somehow I feel that this would be trouble so backed off but might investigate further.

This should probably be in the Indian Forum but Hari Krishna, Om and peace seems to be the flavour of this thread at the moment:D.

[Starchild2012]

You write your retorts like you were completely on the sauce and out of your mind but I don't think you are on the sauce ONLY out of your mind.

I am not sure you are good to anyone, including yourself.

Yellow Fever

Whatever :D

[Starchild2012]

Too fuckin' right - couldn't agree more.

I'm down on Kovalam Beach at the moment. Out of season and not many tourists around but you still get busloads of young Indian males visiting on a day trip to the beach, not to swim or catch some rays (not that they need to) but to wander up and down the beach in the vague hope of catching sight of some bare, white female flesh. One foolish girl was unwise enough to strip down to her bikini and almost immediately was surrounded by a large entourage of gawking Indian guys, oggling and taking photo's. Now thats sexual repression for you:).

Where did it all go wrong - this is after all the culture that gave us Kama Suttra.

Was offered a Keralan girl (along with boys, charas, or a boat trip!!) by a local, out of work hotelier that I met on the beach today. Tempted as with their dark skin and beautifully rounded, bejewelled and sareed figures, they are rather tasty. But somehow I feel that this would be trouble so backed off but might investigate further.

This should probably be in the Indian Forum but Hari Krishna, Om and peace seems to be the flavour of this thread at the moment:D.


I'm from that stretch of land called Kerala where you in now :), even if you go with the keralam girl, hardly it would matter as you wouldn't know if you had sex or something else...most likely missionary, hand job ...no bj, cbj, bbbj, 69, doggie etc etc.

If you want to try Indian girl, then would suggest Mumbai dance bars, i have written number of reports in Mumbai forum on how to get one safely with nominal cost for a foreign monger.

But further, i would suggest to save your money and do the right thing :) and spend it in south east Asia.

However, we all need different cultural experience and destination, but sex should be the last thing on mind for a tourist while visiting India as you rightly observed.

India has lost its bearings long long time ago, it needs a genuine revolution...now its just a mass of 1 billion mob wandering on the planet with no goals. Contrary to what many think, religion has actually saved India from extinction. I'm no India hater just the truth.

Its a Filipino thread, we know, but any lost monger wandering in India for sex is a warning that there is nothing to be had there, save money and come here.. :)

[Starchild2012]

Thought we were talking about chica'; s here. Seems like we have moved into a world of mysticism and Mumbai. Amazing how a chat about whether a bloke should marry a bargirl has morphed into right and wrong good and bad and what age we were when we lost our virginity.

Lets return from whence we came Gents.

Agree, seems like my post on SE was too spicy :) and most folks seems to have difficulty digesting spicy food for thoughts:), i'm over and out on this as Barba.

To start a fresh, chanced on for some work in the greenbelt area and stumbled upon Havana cafe.

I think taxi folks will have difficulty if a monger tells directly to take him to Havana cafe, better to say greenbelt and then walk across the restaurants and find star bucks which is near Havana cafe.

Quality seems to be higher than what mongers have written before, the pro's and semi-pro's have a minimum height of 5' 6" it seems, all tall hookers seems to be in green belt area.

Quality wise, the girls who hunt in Havana seems better looking than La cafe or normal bars, may be it was the dim light not sure or the girls were really regular high society types, but the obvious ones were also good looking.

Lots of eye contacts, scanned the area, will hunt it properly next time.

[FreebieFan]

Agree, seems like my post on SE was too spicy :) and most folks seems to have difficulty digesting spicy food for thoughts:), i'm over and out on this as Barba.

To start a fresh, chanced on for some work in the greenbelt area and stumbled upon Havana cafe.

I think taxi folks will have difficulty if a monger tells directly to take him to Havana cafe, better to say greenbelt and then walk across the restaurants and find star bucks which is near Havana cafe.

Quality seems to be higher than what mongers have written before, the pro's and semi-pro's have a minimum height of 5' 6" it seems, all tall hookers seems to be in green belt area.

Quality wise, the girls who hunt in Havana seems better looking than La cafe or normal bars, may be it was the dim light not sure or the girls were really regular high society types, but the obvious ones were also good looking.

Lots of eye contacts, scanned the area, will hunt it properly next time.They are by and large the same girls. They do a route of LA Cafe, Havana, Shang bar, freelance here and there wherever expats are likely to be.

[Cunning Stunt]

I'm from that stretch of land called Kerala where you in now :), even if you go with the keralam girl, hardly it would matter as you wouldn't know if you had sex or something else...most likely missionary, hand job ...no bj, cbj, bbbj, 69, doggie etc etc.


Yup thats what I thought. Must admit though that Keralan girls are rather lovely but maybe, rather like flowers in bloom, are better to be looked at rather than plucked;).



If you want to try Indian girl, then would suggest Mumbai dance bars, i have written number of reports in Mumbai forum on how to get one safely with nominal cost for a foreign monger.


Will not be visiting Mumbai on this trip but fly out of Kolkata so might try a visit to SG whilst in town. I've heard that apart from Mumbai bars, its the nearest thing India has to a SE Asian style red light area. Don't imagine the experience would be mind blowing but like you say its the cultural experience thats important and poking a local girl is the ultimate cultural experience!

[Jambo]

I can't say it all here yet. Am sending a girl home after less than 6 months of marriage. She is is lovely and gave it a good try. I became a jerk--and with a pretty girl there is always some other guy she can chat up who seems perfect to her, and that's just what she did. Things may suck at home, but I won't tolerate infidelity. I am looking at spending $1,100 to submit the adjustment of status (AOS), and most certainly have her walk on my as soon as she has a green card. Or spend about that much and send her home. Its a no-brainer for me. I am just upset about all the time lost and money spent. And screwing with her life as well.

Lesson learned for the girls: wait until the green card is in hand before you stop putting out.

My lesson learned: stop looking at pretty, popular girls to marry, at least until I become really rich. Look for older girls, and ones who have proven themselves by being hired in the PI. I did have a prenup, and most of my assets in a corporation, so I was never worried much. Even better, she left here and moved in with a friend. If you know US divorce, getting the girl to move out is kind of a slam dunk--you can't be forced out of your home, and will prob keep what is in there. Be we aren't even going there--she will sign a no fault and get on a plane. She has no green card.

[Chocha Monger]

I can't say it all here yet. Am sending a girl home after less than 6 months of marriage. She is is lovely and gave it a good try. I became a jerk--and with a pretty girl there is always some other guy she can chat up who seems perfect to her, and that's just what she did. Things may suck at home, but I won't tolerate infidelity. I am looking at spending $1,100 to submit the adjustment of status (AOS), and most certainly have her walk on my as soon as she has a green card. Or spend about that much and send her home. Its a no-brainer for me. I am just upset about all the time lost and money spent. And screwing with her life as well.

Lesson learned for the girls: wait until the green card is in hand before you stop putting out.

My lesson learned: stop looking at pretty, popular girls to marry, at least until I become really rich. Look for older girls, and ones who have proven themselves by being hired in the PI. I did have a prenup, and most of my assets in a corporation, so I was never worried much. Even better, she left here and moved in with a friend. If you know US divorce, getting the girl to move out is kind of a slam dunk--you can't be forced out of your home, and will prob keep what is in there. Be we aren't even going there--she will sign a no fault and get on a plane. She has no green card.
Jambo,
You should kiss her ass! At least she got a bit too eager to trade up before she had your balls firmly adjusted in the vise. She could have waited until she popped out a kid. She could have accused you of being an abusive old wanker and filed a police report stating that you beat her ass. The latter would have certainly secured her green card without your consent.

Yes. She went for a younger stiffer, perhaps even wealthier cock but then you knew that all of that would happen even before you married the little angel. Did you not? Well, at least you got to root a pretty little hole for a while and show her off at home. Just think of it like a really expensive bar fine for almost 6 months. You'll come away from it sadder but wiser. I'll bet people told you not to do it but you just had to find out for yourself. When it comes to pussy most of us are that way. Don't think too hard on it. You may be crying into your beer now but you'll be out wh*ring again in no time, maybe even marrying again. Really, Jambo don't be too hard on her. Remember how you were when you first got to the Philippines and saw all that young cheap pussy? She was just a kid in a candy store!


I will take love of money over "pure love" any time. I think its very correct, even Darwinian for a girl to think first of a guy who can provide well for her. I don't know when this idea of being in "love" as the most important thing started.

I am going a marry a great girl soon. She is such a looker, I think a lot of guys passed on her, worried that she would not be true. I am sure she collected at least some money from guys she met online. She better not be doing it now! lol.


Think of the economics. I could spend, say $6,000 to get a girl here on a K1, if you include an immigration attorney and airfares etc. 6k gets me only about four trips to the PI for mongering. On the other hand, bringing the girl here gets me at least 3 pokes a week for the next 2-3 years, with an option for more. And I get the domestic helper, cook, secretary at a nominal rate. And with a 21yo girl, I could expect 10 years of decent sex before I start getting the "I'm too tired".

This girl is fine by any standard. She would look very attractive to wealthy pinoys (tall and slender with BIG TITS). I know she has dated 1 or 2 pinoys, but was burned by them and seems determined to leave with the next available western guy. I think she gets the idea that marrying a pinoy is a dead end.
So you knew she just wanted a ticket out of the Philippines, any ticket, and you took your chances. Just give her a ticket home and some money to get by until she gets a job or another sucker. Now here is a little story all mongers need to keep in mind about women.

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion...

[Yella Man]

My lesson learned: stop looking at pretty, popular girls to marry, at least until I become really rich. Look for older girls, and ones who have proven themselves by being hired in the PI.


Lesson not learned: You don't need to get married to lead a happy life. Save your money, take your trips abroad, screw the most delectable young morsels the world has to offer, and then go back to your home country and start the cycle all over again. Maybe when you're old enough to collect Social Security or better yet, start receiving a pension, then go live your remaining years of life abroad chasing young (or old) pussy in third world countries. But if you do marry a foreign girl, stay, work and live in her country if possible. Taking her back home to meet momma so to speak, is not a good idea. She will hardly ever meet your expectations.

Yella Man

[Warbucks]

Marriage is an archaic institution IMHO. Financially binding yourself to someone in this day and age of 50% divorce rates make me cringe. If you like someone stay with them. When you don’t like them anymore you can leave without a taking an emotional or financial hit. Filipinas don’t like shacking up (a co-habitat, sexual relationship but not married) though they like to get married only to show you off as a trophy and to prove that they can lock someone down. They feel this elevates their social status (I guess in their culture it does). But as Yella Man said there is no need.

[Radical Guy]

They are not all the same. I'm 49 and married my wife 5 years ago when she was 20. I brought her here on a fiancee visa. She got her green card, then got her US citizenship about a year ago.

We still make love about 6-7 times a week, and my wife initiates sex more than half the time. She takes great delight in waking me up in the middle of the night, or early morning, by sitting on my face and smothering me with her pussy. I was married twice before to American women, and always thought that it was natural for a woman to moan and complain about having sex. My current wife is, without a doubt, a dream come true. She's funny, intelligent, affectionate, very open minded sexually, and has a libido that won't quit.

I know I am biased, but my wife is an extremely attractive Filipina, and she gets hit on constantly. She is a very hard worker and now has a really good job. We have agreed that she can send $200 each month to her family, which comes out of her salary, so I think that's reasonable.

Of course, no marriage is 100 percent perfect. She still gets mad if she thinks I am ogling another woman, or if my ex-wife calls to talk about my kids. But I have never had reason to doubt her loyalty.

I think I lucked out because I took the time to really get to know my wife before we were married. I took 3 trips to the Philippines to spend time with her, and she came home with me to the US on my third trip.

I hope no one sees this post as a criticism of mongering. I've done my share of mongering before I finally found the right lady, and I still enjoy this site to sort of re-live my mongering days. But, for me, random sex without emotion gets a bit old and boring.


I can't say it all here yet. Am sending a girl home after less than 6 months of marriage. She is is lovely and gave it a good try. I became a jerk--and with a pretty girl there is always some other guy she can chat up who seems perfect to her, and that's just what she did. Things may suck at home, but I won't tolerate infidelity. I am looking at spending $1,100 to submit the adjustment of status (AOS), and most certainly have her walk on my as soon as she has a green card. Or spend about that much and send her home. Its a no-brainer for me. I am just upset about all the time lost and money spent. And screwing with her life as well.

Lesson learned for the girls: wait until the green card is in hand before you stop putting out.

My lesson learned: stop looking at pretty, popular girls to marry, at least until I become really rich. Look for older girls, and ones who have proven themselves by being hired in the PI. I did have a prenup, and most of my assets in a corporation, so I was never worried much. Even better, she left here and moved in with a friend. If you know US divorce, getting the girl to move out is kind of a slam dunk--you can't be forced out of your home, and will prob keep what is in there. Be we aren't even going there--she will sign a no fault and get on a plane. She has no green card.

[Yella Man]

Filipinas don’t like shacking up (a co-habitat, sexual relationship but not married) though they like to get married only to show you off as a trophy and to prove that they can lock someone down.


The only time a Filipina will shack-up with another man is after they have been married and the marriage goes south. Since the Philippines is mainly a catholic country, they don't believe in divorce so it's extremely difficult if not impossible for them to do. They tend to go with the alternative instead; "The Life Partner", as so many Filipinas have told me they have, is someone they leave their spouse for to live with indefinitly (or until they meet a new Life Partner) Culturally, it's exceptable for them to shack-up with their Life Partner.

Which reminds me of a story. While in Korea a friend of mine married a Filipina Bar girl who was a friend of one of the girls I was seeing at the time. The girl I was seeing often called me up in the early morning hours after her bar was closed and would ask me to pick her up. Being the big horn dog that I am, I would usually pick her up and we would drink, sing karaoke, and fuck all morning long. One time, after we finished a good drunk sex session and were laying in bed, she told me that the girl who married my friend was already married to a Filipino guy, and that she had two children by him. She made me promise not to tell my friend. Evidently the girl paid a bunch of money to fix her previous history of marriage and make it disappear. The power of the Peso can corrupt anyone in the Philippines!

Yella Man

[Amavida]

The only time a Filipina will shack-up with another man is after they have been married and the marriage goes south.

Yella ManRespectfully disagree with you & WB. I have observed that in the Phils its common amongst poor flips (the majority of the population) to live in a defacto relationship. ie cohabit without formal legal marriage. They describe themselves as 'married' & she may even have a ring but no marriage registration has taken place with the government.

Legalities are loosely observed because of lack of money for wedding ceremony costs/officials etc.

I do agree with your anecdote about paying to make inconvenient past events go away. Paying to have past marriages vanish, paying to have missing birth, education, health, death records appear, yes that is very common.

AV

[Lustforthrust]

Where did it all go wrong - this is after all the culture that gave us Kama Suttra.

:D.

Islam is what happened.

When witches were burnt in Europe, Indians were sculpturing erotica on their temples. Now they are burning, selling, beating their women when Europa is sexually liberated.

Hundreds of temples to loot, destroy, deface, millions of people to brainwash etc. India took time and that's what saved Thailand, Myanmar and others from the sexually repressive Islamic morals.

[Jambo]

Well thanks for the encouragement guys. I still feel bad. If I had been a little more patient, I could have enjoyed the pussy (and bare back sex) for a full year or more before she took off. Would have gotten more for my trouble.

Not really a keeper though. Immigration should give us a 1 year deadline to get married on a K1 Visa. The girl was a 8-9 in bed, a 6 in cooking and getting better, but only a 4 for housework, and less interested in the home business. I had to buy her an iron right away, but in 6 months, not a single one of my shirts got pressed!

I'll try again because I got another 10 years here before I can pull in social security (if it will still exist!), so I got time for another marriage! I mean, having someone to cook, clean, help with the bookkeeping, and wring my chicken is worth the trouble--if I don't go overboard on spending on her up front.

Retiring to the PI later is looking better to me though, as I no longer have any children in the states.

[Dickhead]

Or you could learn to cook, hire a maid, and not act like such a tool.

[Sound7]

One created concept of Islam and the other created the non-violence movement against the Bristish.

Each divorced the other to start a quasi-seperate states of India and Pakistan.

As far as sex goes they sure have a huge population.

Islam is what happened.

When witches were burnt in Europe, Indians were sculpturing erotica on their temples.

[Sound7]

That is work few are able to do - binding responsibility 24/7.

Marriage is an archaic institution IMHO. Financially binding yourself to someone in this day and age of 50% divorce rates make me cringe. If you like someone stay with them. When you don’t like them anymore you can leave without a taking an emotional or financial hit. Filipinas don’t like shacking up (a co-habitat, sexual relationship but not married) though they like to get married only to show you off as a trophy and to prove that they can lock someone down. They feel this elevates their social status (I guess in their culture it does). But as Yella Man said there is no need.

[X Man]

Suck up a try to be respectuful in the society you spend time in. Flip is disrespectful. You claim to live part time in the Philippines...how often do you call someone a FLIP face to face.?

X





poor flips.

AV

[Amavida]

Suck up a try to be respectuful in the society you spend time in. Flip is disrespectful. You claim to live part time in the Philippines...how often do you call someone a FLIP face to face.?

X
Objection your honor, irrelevant.
Objection Sustained...

[X Man]

Okay ...we can agree to disagree if that helps things out.

Unrelated to my response to AV....

I would like to once again state my distaste with racist terms like "flip, lbfmfor, black ass, Korean whatever", etc.

Oh, and "old guys" seems like a type of slur also.

Last time I checked, I'm getting older every day.

X





Objection your honor, irrelevant.
Objection Sustained...

[Radical Guy]

I would like to once again state my distaste with racist terms like "flip, lbfmfor, black ass, Korean whatever", etc.

Oh, and "old guys" seems like a type of slur also.

Last time I checked, I'm getting older every day.

XI agree with you, X. Racist and derogatory terms and statements have no place in any intelligent discussion.

[FreebieFan]

You see Filipino kids having little tantrums in all malls, all of them saying " I don't like, or "Ayoko! ". They are pampered by their maids and allowed to do this from an early age.

I'm often tempted to give these howling kids a little nudge and black look. I'm sure they would stop the howling quickly.

So as they grow they don't change. Recent case in point, toook a young lady back to my place. Asked her if she wanrted a Baileys she said " I don't like ". Shes never ever tasted it but says she doesn't like. 5 minutes later, shes enjoying it.

I said later, we can go eat Japenese noodles. Again " I don't like ". Shes never ever had Japanese noodles before.

Anyways we start to make out, and I suggest she wears a cute little bikin that I got her. Of course she says " I don't like" automatically. 5 minutes later shes having a great time in the tiny bikini.

So you can imagine what happens when I get the vibrator out. And what hapened 5 minutes later LOL.

[Amavida]

Okay ...we can agree to disagree if that helps things out.

Unrelated to my response to AV....

I would like to once again state my distaste with racist terms like "flip, lbfmfor, black ass, Korean whatever", etc.

Oh, and "old guys" seems like a type of slur also.

Last time I checked, I'm getting older every day.

XCalling me (an Australian) an 'Ozzie', calling an American a 'Yank' I don't regard as racist. Using the word 'Flip' in relation to a Filipino I thought was in the same category... but what do I know?

Using words that refer to skin colour or religion is definitely bigotted in my view.

AV

[FreebieFan]

Calling me (an Australian) an 'Ozzie', calling an American a 'Yank' I don't regard as racist. Using the word 'Flip' in relation to a Filipino I thought was in the same category... but what do I know?

Using words that refer to skin colour or religion is definitely bigotted in my view.

AVTheres a fun story in UK right now about some black football player who last weekend wanted the ball back from the ballboy. He is supposed to have said " give me the ball back whiteboy." Newspapers there have numerous discussions going on about whether this is a racial slur.

[Jambo]

Evolutionary theory is...evolving:

Males would be far more successful food-providers if they had their hands free to carry home loads of fruits and tubers—which would favor walking on two legs. Females would come to prefer good, steady providers with smaller canines over the big fierce-toothed ones who left as soon as they spot another fertile female.
http://www.neatorama.com/2009/10/01/why-early-humans-started-walking-food-and-sex/

So it sucked to be a knuckle-dragger!

[Warbucks]

These girls are worst than bargirls. Most bargirls are happy to sell you their pussy and call it a day but internet girls are trying to hit the jackpot. Jackpot being a visa to a more prosperous country and lifetime support via children and marriage.
We don’t become handsome and interesting all of a sudden just because we sat on an economy flight for 22 hours. We brag about our conquest here but the chest thumping is hollow when SE Asia is involved considering the girls hunger for financial stability and a life abroad. Not to mention the child-emotional intelligence displayed.


Anyone looking for an Asian girl to play house with would be better off looking in Vietnam or China. Filipinas are fun to dump your load in but if you’re not going to live in the Philippines and keep them there you’re setting yourself up for a whole lot of hurt.
I disagree with this assessment. Filipinas make almost perfect companions if you find the right one. This takes time though. I also wouldn’t start my search online or on Burgos, Ermita, Angeles ect.

I have not had the pleasure of meeting a Viet but I am a long time reader of SE Asia mongering extraordinarie Korski and he speaks of Viet's with the same disdain you have of Filipinas. PRCs I have encountered them in the US and in Dubai. Most I have met have the personality of a wet brick and display the emotions of a Model T-800. (The first terminator.)

In Dubai they also have a reputation for being unclean. (Just ask your first taxi driver in Dubai upon arrival) They are cheapest on the pussy market (Pussy prices in Dubai by order of race: Chinese, Africans, Filipinas and Caucasians) in Dubai and have a tendency to be willing to fuck anything with a pulse.

I have seen the Africans, Filipinas and the Caucasians knock back guys they didn’t find up to their standards. I have never and I repeat never seen a PRC knock back a punter in 4 ½ years.



If you’re a transient sex tourist stick to the bargirls. You’ll save yourself time, money and a whole lot of aggravation.
Agreed. You got guys who say they are getting freebies but in SE Asia this is rare. The only way to get a freebie is to fuck without any type of compensation provided or to fuck and flee never to be heard from again. One night stand?

Buying gifts, sponsoring (keeping pussy on layaway) does not constitute as a freebie. If she sees you from time to time and fucks for a gift or other forms of compensation this does not exclude her from ***** status.

[The Departed]

http://www.journal.com.ph/index.php?issue=2009-10-01&sec=1&aid=104072

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I am in Angeles now, having a great time dousing them down.

[Chocha Monger]

We don’t become handsome and interesting all of a sudden just because we sat on an economy flight for 22 hours. We brag about our conquest here but the chest thumping is hollow when SE Asia is involved considering the girls hunger for financial stability and a life abroad. Not to mention the child-emotional intelligence displayed.

I disagree with this assessment. Filipinas make almost perfect companions if you find the right one. This takes time though. I also wouldn’t start my search online or on Burgos, Ermita, Angeles ect.

I have not had the pleasure of meeting a Viet but I am a long time reader of SE Asia mongering extraordinarie Korski and he speaks of Viet's with the same disdain you have of Filipinas. PRCs I have encountered them in the US and in Dubai. Most I have met have the personality of a wet brick and display the emotions of a Model T-800. (The first terminator.)

In Dubai they also have a reputation for being unclean. (Just ask your first taxi driver in Dubai upon arrival) They are cheapest on the pussy market (Pussy prices in Dubai by order of race: Chinese, Africans, Filipinas and Caucasians) in Dubai and have a tendency to be willing to fuck anything with a pulse.

I have seen the Africans, Filipinas and the Caucasians knock back guys they didn’t find up to their standards. I have never and I repeat never seen a PRC knock back a punter in 4 ½ years.

Agreed. You got guys who say they are getting freebies but in SE Asia this is rare. The only way to get a freebie is to fuck without any type of compensation provided or to fuck and flee never to be heard from again. One night stand?

Buying gifts, sponsoring (keeping pussy on layaway) does not constitute as a freebie. If she sees you from time to time and fucks for a gift or other forms of compensation this does not exclude her from ***** status.
There are always exceptions to every rule and things must be put into context. Sure there may be some Filipinas who make good mates but what are the chances of the average transient monger meeting one of these girls? I'm talking educated, mature and with potential to succeed in the United States or similar country making significant contributions to the household. I'm not talking about a domestic worker/fuck doll which a lot of guys look for but rather someone on more equal footing. Here in the US I've seen more Vietnamese and PRC side by side with their American husbands in small business or professional occupations. The practical often wins out over the emotional when it comes to marriage and other long term engagements.

PRC are less likely to wear their emotions on their sleeves especially in a P4P environment with limited ability to communicate. You will find them to have more personality than the model T-800 once you jail break their emotions and have a real relationship with them. They're slow to open up but you will find them to make durable friends once trust is established. Of course, PRC pros are not going to act like girlfriends to the random mongers they fuck for money. They see a paid fucking as business transaction not GFE. They're tend to be practical about making money in all dealings. Why knock back an ugly, smelly, lame, or old monger when his money is just as good as the handsome perfumed monger who doesn't seem interested in doing business? The monger with those handicaps might give good wallet being aware of how repulsive it for these girls to screw him. You have to admit also that some guys expect too much for a paid fuck in terms of the girl's emotional involvement. After the john drops his load these girls have to go out and look for another customer to do it all over again. Unless you're a long term generous repeat customer a P4P girl has no reason to invest beyond getting you off. As for PRC pussy being cheap, when it comes to pussy I've found all too often that price does not necessarily correlate with quality or performance.

Is there anything as a clean pussy much less a clean P4P pussy?

[Cunning Stunt]

http://www.journal.com.ph/index.php?issue=2009-10-01&sec=1&aid=104072

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I am in Angeles now, having a great time dousing them down.

In Thailand it is usually girl on boy and they normally leave your big head intact:D.

Enjoy your Angeles trip. Look forward to reading a report or two which, if as unusual and controversial as your Pattaya reports, should get a interesting response.

[Warbucks]

There are always exceptions to every rule and things must be put into context. Sure there may be some Filipinas who make good mates but what are the chances of the average transient monger meeting one of these girls? I'm talking educated, mature and with potential to succeed in the United States or similar country making significant contributions to the household. I'm not talking about a domestic worker/fuck doll which a lot of guys look for but rather someone on more equal footing. Here in the US I've seen more Vietnamese and PRC side by side with their American husbands in small business or professional occupations. The practical often wins out over the emotional when it comes to marriage and other long term engagements.

Education or material wealth has no bearing on the “wealth” of a person. I am not college educated but yet still managed to live an above average life. You got guys on ISG who are educated but yet treat WGs like trash on the street so what does that say about a college education and the effect they have on personal behavior? As for the financial aspects I know people including myself who would put the average degree holder to shame.

Most ambitious and independently wealthy women will never fail to put their needs before your own. (I know I was married to one.) Filipinas for the most part will put “your” need before their own. Now who you think is going make life more desirable in the long haul. Most of the guys who marry Filipinas or get in relationships with them have had that type of women you just described most of the time it is not what they require anymore.

I met a lot of Japanese women who were financially secure, educated etc in my brief stay in Japan but they had a strong tendency to fuck around on their husband or boyfriend. I don’t see this too much with decent Filipinas.


PRC are less likely to wear their emotions on their sleeves especially in a P4P environment with limited ability to communicate. You will find them to have more personality than the model T-800 once you jail break their emotions and have a real relationship with them. They're slow to open up but you will find them to make durable friends once trust is established.

Hmmm. Don’t know about this one. I dated a PRC…. like third Generation girl from Cali and she displayed the same attitude over the course of me knowing her.

With everything in life you have to choose and choose carefully. I have met some fucked up Filipinos. I also have also met some cool ones. Sooooo


Of course, PRC pros are not going to act like girlfriends to the random mongers they fuck for money. They see a paid fucking as business transaction not GFE.

That’s cool and all but the person across from you is not a ATM if the monger behaved like the average PRC then we would all be Opebos :) unemotionally fuck them in all holes with reckless abandon regardless of injury caused then slip away into the night. I don’t think most WGs would find this all that appealing.



They're tend to be practical about making money in all dealings. Why knock back an ugly, smelly, lame, or old monger when his money is just as good as the handsome perfumed monger who doesn't seem interested in doing business?

Why fuck an undesirable when you can fuck a desirable for the same pay? I understand the practicality of the mongering situation which is why I usually give PRCs a miss.


The monger with those handicaps might give good wallet being aware of how repulsive it for these girls to screw him. You have to admit also that some guys expect too much for a paid fuck in terms of the girl's emotional involvement.

Yeah some guys want WGs to act like GFs. I agree this is over the top but with PRCs I would recommend masturbation as alternative considering the experiences with them. Cheaper, safer and you won’t feel cheated. LOL


After the john drops his load these girls have to go out and look for another customer to do it all over again. Unless you're a long term generous repeat customer a P4P girl has no reason to invest beyond getting you off. As for PRC pussy being cheap, when it comes to pussy I've found all too often that price does not necessarily correlate with quality or performance.

Hmm. I have had duds in every country I have visited. Yet I have never encountered a PRC that even remotely made me want to try her services again.


Is there anything as a clean pussy much less a clean P4P pussy?

A lot Filipinas have a tendency to wash their ass (Soap and water) before and after turning a trick. PRCs wipe the semen and her juices with the Kentucky Fried Chicken napkin and back to the club.

I also like when WGs tend to be a little choosy in choosing their fuck partners even if he is a fist full of dollars having monger.

What is the problem with Filipinas looking for a foreigner to better their lives? Is it any different than the hordes of American women who chase athletes and entertainers around?

We need to get past this complaining about their lack of money and child-like intelligence because if they did have money and were sophisticated the forums and PI as a mongering destination would be in sad state. Just check out the forums in the first world countries where women are as you describe. They are so quiet you can hear a mouse [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on cotton.

I talk a lot shit about negative aspects of Filipinos and their country but their positives far outweigh what I have experienced in dealing with people in my own country and dating and fucking other nationalities.

Here are photos of a PRC from Dubai and a recent Flip encounter which one would you guys rather spend the evening with?

[Cunning Stunt]

I agree this is over the top but with PRCs I would recommend masturbation as alternative considering the experiences with them. Cheaper, safer and you won’t feel cheated. LOL .....Yet I have never encountered a PRC that even remotely made me want to try her services again.


Have you any experience with Chinese girls in China?

Don't know about Chinese girls in Dubai, as I have never mongered there. But my experiences with Chinese girls in HK and the PRC have been largely satisfactory. Yes they display a professional attitude but no more so that your average Thai BG (many Flilipinas are also pretty mercenary as well). They can be good fun to hang with although the language barrier can be a problem. And they know some tricks that are quite interesting such as the red rope and fire and ice bj's. They can also be very physically very beautiful although their teeth sometimes let them down.

Are Chinese girls in Dubai perhaps from Taiwan? I imagine it would be much easier for a Taiwanese girl to enter Dubai than a PRC girl.

Never found girls in the PRC to be particularly genitally unhygienic although their breaths can sometimes be a bit pongy (as can Thai Isaan girls who breath out essence of Somtam).



Here are photos of a PRC from Dubai and a recent Flip encounter which one would you guys rather spend the evening with?

I would say the PRC girl but only because I can't see much of the Filipina, since she is clothed/distant and with an obscured face (or faces - is it 2 girls?).


..we would all be Opebos :) unemotionally fuck them in all holes with reckless abandon regardless of injury caused then slip away into the night. I don’t think most WGs would find this all that appealing.


I would like to think that you had the good grace and manners to inform this senior member before you used his name to illustrate your negative point. He may engage in some practices that we all do not necessarily agree with but they are with the consent of his legally adult partners and hence his business.

[Warbucks]

Have you any experience with Chinese girls in China?

No. I would think it makes no difference though. These girls came from China to sell pussy. They are not lifelong Dubai expats.


Don't know about Chinese girls in Dubai, as I have never mongered there. But my experiences with Chinese girls in HK and the PRC have been largely satisfactory. Yes they display a professional attitude but no more so that your average Thai BG (many Flilipinas are also pretty mercenary as well). They can be good fun to hang with although the language barrier can be a problem. And they know some tricks that are quite interesting such as the red rope and fire and ice bj's. They can also be very physically very beautiful although their teeth sometimes let them down.

For me the average Filipina well at least the type of Filipinas I like will beat them in the looks departments hands down. I don’t know but I just can’t get past that attitude they display.


Are Chinese girls in Dubai perhaps from Taiwan? I imagine it would be much easier for a Taiwanese girl to enter Dubai than a PRC girl.

Have no idea. Well because as I said they normally don’t talk much just suck fuck and go. Unlike the Flips, Russians and Africans who make an effort to find out just who they are about to let stick their dick inside them.


Never found girls in the PRC to be particularly genitally unhygienic although their breaths can sometimes be a bit pongy (as can Thai Isaan girls who breath out essence of Somtam).
Yep. I have experienced the bad breath in PI too but only in Angeles.


I would say the PRC girl but only because I can't see much of the Filipina, since she is clothed/distant and with an obscured face (or faces - is it 2 girls?).

Yeah I have this thing about showing these girls faces here well because regardless of the fact they WGs I still see them as being human beings. Plus eye am an eye for I kind of guy I wouldn’t want my face shown here so why do it to others? The two photos of the Filipina are the same girl.



I would like to think that you had the good grace and manners to inform this senior member before you used his name to illustrate your negative point. He may engage in some practices that we all do not necessarily agree with but they are with the consent of his legally adult partners and hence his business.

Whenever I have a problem with another member I am quick to point it out here and PM them. Also I have no qualms with meeting them in 3-D if it needs to come to that :)

You PMed about Opebo last year and his antics. I have used him as cannon fodder many times on this forum to illustrate how us mongers are not all the same. I have did it in the open and I have PMed him fairly recently.

You say some of us like to “scream on top of the shit pile” (this means hypocrite) but do all us mongers bare-back third world prostitutes with no regard for STDs or leaving them with child? Do us all fuck Beach road girls up the ass until we injure them then after being attacked by a co-worker of the girl run off into the night? No. Didn’t think so. Just because we monger doesn’t make us inherently bad. Some of us are just low life’s and were low life's before we start mongering but like you said it is the low life’s business.

[Cunning Stunt]

You PMed about Opebo last year and his antics. I have used him as cannon fodder many times on this forum to illustrate how us mongers are not all the same. I have did it in the open and I have PMed him fairly recently.

You say some of us like to “scream on top of the shit pile” (this means hypocrite) but do all us mongers bare-back third world prostitutes with no regard for STDs or leaving them with child? Do us all fuck Beach road girls up the ass until we injure them then after being attacked by a co-worker of the girl run off into the night? No. Didn’t think so. Just because we monger doesn’t make us inherently bad. Some of us are just low life’s and were low life's before we start mongering but like you said it is the low life’s business.

This is exactly my point. Mongers are not the same and some indulge in practices that others find repugnant and disgusting. But providing it does not involve anything illegal (do not include prostitution which is illegal in many countries) why, as a monger, would anyone here try to adopt a 'holier than thou' moral stance. It does not make sense. You were judgmental and censoring of me several times in the past because I indulged in WS with a working girl yet I would not dream of criticizing you for being an unimaginative, missionary only type of guy (not saying you are). Different strokes for different folks and as long as its legal and nobody gets hurt, whats the problem?

So I fail to see why as a member of a sex forum, you 'get off' on censoring other members sexual preferences, and use Opebo as 'cannon fodder' to advance your misguided moralistic views. That was the point of my 'cock crowing atop the shit heap' analogy.

[Gangles]

Chocha Monger refers to "Sure there may be some Filipinas who make good mates but what are the chances of the average transient monger meeting one of these girls? I'm talking educated, mature and with potential to succeed".

The reality is that the majority of filipinas fall in this category. But to meet them takes time, patience, graciousness. I have filipina girlfriends who are like this, middle class, working, educated. They are wonderful company, faithful, never ask for a cent. And usually horny as hell, ready to go, get very wet with just a little bit of foreplay. But you need to treat them as equals, with respect, with consideration.

They are there on the net, in dating sites. But you need to put in effort to find them, and keep them.

If you are not prepared to put in the effort, then all that is left are the WGs, scammers, etc, the kind of women that you talk about.

G

[Warbucks]

this is exactly my point. mongers are not the same and some indulge in practices that others find repugnant and disgusting. but providing it does not involve anything illegal (do not include prostitution which is illegal in many countries) why, as a monger, would anyone here try to adopt a 'holier than thou' moral stance. it does not make sense.

how did i and respected board member chocha monger go from discussing prcs and flips to you accusing me of being a moralizer?

i read shit on isg and other forums all the time that i find disturbing but i remain quiet. i don’t think i am better or holier than anyone but when i read something that doesn’t sit well with me i will ask the poster about it. you said it is not any of my business what they do but when the op post it here they make it my business and the whole isg community.

this is what you had to say about opebo last year:


btw - following your 'discussion' on the hygiene or otherwise of thai pussies with interest ...lol :d. opebo is just a cantankerous, perverse, old, barebacking prick and as for oth .... man you know what he is! :d gh


you were judgmental and censoring of me several times in the past because i indulged in ws with a working girl yet……

so you see your above quote. are you not being judemental?


….i would not dream of criticizing you for being an unimaginative, missionary only type of guy (not saying you are). different strokes for different folks and as long as its legal and nobody gets hurt, whats the problem?

cs i did not have a problem with the [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118). i wouldn’t do it even if a wg asked me but that is you and this is me. i only started “crowing” about ws when you start taking shots at me for talking about money all the time. like i said eye for an eye with me.


so i fail to see why as a member of a sex forum, you 'get off' on censoring other members sexual preferences, and use opebo as 'cannon fodder' to advance your misguided moralistic views. that was the point of my 'cock crowing atop the shit heap' analogy.

nah i don’t get off on censoring sexual preferences. what i don’t like is guys who abuse women especially third world women who don’t know any better if i am wrong for that please flame away.

cs this back forth with me and you has gone on for over a year. you have called me every name under sun( wanker, black asshole was special lol) and i have yet to insult you but yet you get pissed when i question the maturity/age of members.


i would sooner jump the bones of my first wife than to consort in public with a character such as yourself. you must learn to separate fantasy from reality – the japes we get up to on these boards are fun but fantasy. do you maybe not understand this?

i don’t understand you run the streets with hookers and pinoy locals but refuse to be seen with well dressed black american :confused:

if you want to catch a beer at la or where ever to put an end to this let me know. otherwise i am done with it here. have wasted enough of my precious life.

[Robbaf]

Here are photos of a PRC from Dubai and a recent Flip encounter which one would you guys rather spend the evening with?The answer is simple:D If I was in Dubai I would hit the PRC and if I am in the Philippines I would hit the Filipina, just like you did?

I joined this site to post reports to helps other find ladies and I use this site to help me find ladies, like I did two weeks ago in Vietnam.

I am not married and I can get Non-P4P girls, but I like the find them, fuck them, and leave them attitude.

Robb

[Chocha Monger]

Warbucks:

True. Filipinas like to wash their fuck holes with soap and water, but I think the fact that they are more likely to let mongers fuck raw dog and that they provide bareback blowjob with cum in mouth pretty much negates any hygienic benefits in terms of disease prevention.

When a PRC wipes her semen drenched **** with a KFC napkin does she say, "Hmm... hmm... finger licking good?"

[X Man]

The part quoted had smiley faces all over it. This usually means he is joking. X




This is what you had to say about Opebo last year:

So you see your above quote. Are you not being judemental?.

[Cunning Stunt]

The part quoted had smiley faces all over it. This usually means he is joking. X

Not only that but I believe that was taken from a PM. Bit below the belt when an extract of a personal message gets plastered all over the forum for all to read.

Wanker, I admit to and apologize for (but again this was in a PM and you have been pretty rude to me in PM's) but I'm still waiting for the proof that I called you a black asshole. That is not my style and please don't fabricate evidence to prove your point.

[Warbucks]

Warbucks:

True. Filipinas like to wash their fuck holes with soap and water, but I think the fact that they are more likely to let mongers fuck raw dog and that they provide bareback blowjob with cum in mouth pretty much negates any hygienic benefits in terms of disease prevention.

When a PRC wipes her semen drenched **** with a KFC napkin does she say, "Hmm... hmm... finger licking good?"

Good Point. Washing the genitals has no effect on disease prevention anyway but for me it is just psychological to see a girl turn a trick then put the clothes back on and go straight back to club. I am always left thinking “Nasty *****” LOL. Keep in mind this is not exclusive to PRCs. Check my most recent trip report to Dubai where I encountered the same with an East African.

On the flip side (pun intended) you are right about the Flips and their accommodating style it is a pitiful thing.

No they did not say it was finger licking good. They usually say “I go now!” LOL.

[Jambo]

Washing the genitals has no effect on disease prevention anyway.Used to get a kind of perverse pleasure in Korean girls in Pusan who would (before) wash your cock with a washcloth, and actually inspect it carefully, top and bottom. Like military precision.

[X Man]

In all your years visiting? Oh, how many years do we have to wait before your first field report?

At the moment wearing a Red Dirt t-shirt. How unusual!
http://www.realdirthawaii.com/

X




In all my years visiting the Phils, I've never seen two foreigners duking it out. They are too busy banging beaver.

I'll be in Makati next month. What do you guys say we meet at Havana for a couple drinks on me. If nothing else, we can all at least agree what a jerk Xman is and mock his unusual style in clothes.

[Member #3428]

I'll be in Makati next month. What do you guys say we meet at Havana for a couple drinks on me.

From the emails I have a lot of us will be in Makati area next month, but usually we're all too busy banging beaver to be drinking for long :D

[Warbucks]

I don't think its bull at all. I used to be a younger guy in Phils and now I'm an older one. I've seen both sides of the fence.
Freebie saying some young white dude is going not going to have a good time in Manila is crazy on so many levels.


I've talked to and been with the ladies of various professions, and the general comments seem to be that a decent professional guy like me with all the confidence and assurance that comes from having achieved some successes in life, looking and dressing the part, attracts them as much if not more than a younger guy who is all energy and hormones.
I remember emailing young pioneer of mongering in PI and the creator “Trike Patrol” Jimmy Regina a while aback about Filipinas and their taste and preferences and his words were “THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT.”


Maybe these comments were tailored to my ears. But having dated 20 year olds to 40 year olds (dated, wined dined screwed and gone back fro multiple repeats) then I think my opinion is as valid as the next mans.
I'm not talking here about shallow dancing girls. But girls who work for the multinationals (can scream in multiple languages LOL) and look good on your arm. Just MPOV.
I can’t compete with your experience but next time you in Manila I will introduce you to my white skin having, HR manager (does the hiring and the firing) for a Multinational company who doesn’t care for guy’s decades and older than she is….

[FreebieFan]

Freebie saying some young white dude is going not going to have a good time in Manila is crazy on so many levels.

I can’t compete with your experience but next time you in Manila I will introduce you to my white skin having, HR manager (does the hiring and the firing) for a Multinational company who doesn’t care for guy’s decades and older than she is….You got your opionion and I got mine.

You had your experiences and I have mine.

Maybe I should be saying that Warbucks opinion is nonsense on an immense number of levels.

Parejo Parejo diba !

[FreebieFan]

Freebie saying some young white dude is going not going to have a good time in Manila is crazy on so many levels.Hi all. I don't take your comments here Warbucks as " diss" but having sat in a bar tonight not in Phils, and seen Filpinas approach guys starting from 60 plus as prime target then go to a 50, 40 and end in 30 plus, ignoring the 20s somethings as too youthful thought would add a few words.

I first went to Manila on secondment to ADB when I was 23 staying in Hilton Hotel. Manila

Not sure where that was?

Check it out. Its still there under a different name I stayed in Manila for 2.5 years. In those days Firehouse was in Ermita and Ermita then was 100 times hotter than Burgos now.

Later Firehouse moved to a location just off Roxas Boulevard but certainly not where it currently is. Again older longer term residents will recall the change of locations over the years.

Life in Manila as a raw 23 year old was fun. Maximum fun and gilr and I had a great time. But I didn't have the finances, or the knowledge to know how to maximimse the situation. I fell in love every week.

Now Warbucks, you have the confidence of having lived in a few war locked places to state how you think life is. And how it conforms or doesn't to your opinions.

Me. I've lived and worked in 12 countries (qualification at least 12 full months in each) including 3 stays in Phils. Again I've seen it as a callow youth, as a young jack of 30 plus, and most recently from 1998.2004, plus visits every month therafter. Trust me, . I'm not an arivee, but have done my time there.

My opinions are well formed and based on personal experience.

The older guys win in Phils. I've seen it and done it. If you haven't done the same, then respect what I'm saying. K?

[Warbucks]

Hi all. I don't take your comments here Warbucks as " diss" but having sat in a bar tonight not in Phils, and seen Filpinas approach guys starting from 60 plus as prime target then go to a 50, 40 and end in 30 plus, ignoring the 20s somethings as too youthful thought would add a few words.
Why are they approaching those guys, what’s the reason? Because they think these guys may be wealthy and ready to settle down (life long wallet and green card for them....gold diggers?). A 20 year old is assumed to be immature, broke and will play the field. I was just PMed by a board member who told me a Filipina told him he was too young she was looking for someone older because she wanted a “serious relationship.” (Life Long Support).


Now Warbucks, you have the confidence of having lived in a few war locked places to state how you think life is. And how it conforms or doesn't to your opinions.
What you think I worked in my warzones since I was 10 LOL? I am almost 30. I have lived in two countries besides my own wealthy Asian nations and was having a good time doing it. I have only seen warzones for 4 ½ years do the math. These war zones are not my life only how I make my money and damn good money. In places like those you see people for who they really are and in these places you meet people from all over the world. Have any of you ever met a Tatar?.... nah didn’t think so?


My opinions are well formed and based on personal experience.

The older guys win in Phils. I've seen it and done it. If you haven't done the same, then respect what I'm saying. K?
Alright but saying being young handsome is not going to help you is over the top. So a guy should be old and unattractive in Manila? Like I said they are all different. Some like this some like that. I have been around Filipinas in four different countries wealthy nations so I have my experience with them also.

Yeah there is an overwhelming majority of older guys walking around with Filipinas but look at the dating pool for the average Filipina in PI they don’t have much of a decent choice of suitors now do they?


Maybe I should be saying that Warbucks opinion is nonsense on an immense number of levels.

LOL. Go right ahead only when you do I won’t get pissed and say something like what you just said above.

(I get fan mail like this: 1. Ah dude I love your posts, you’re so funny! You take no shit from anyone……….2. I’m one of those Black Americans who reads your posts without fail…. 3. you definitely show the youthful & how should I say this... NOT the old expats point of view on the ISG)

and then I get hate mail one more hate mail is not going to kill me.

I am going to leave this alone because I see you guys can’t have a friendly debate without taking it to that next level.

Attack the post not the postee.

[Cunning Stunt]

(I get fan mail like this: 1. Ah dude I love your posts, you’re so funny! You take no shit from anyone……….2. I’m one of those Black Americans who reads your posts without fail…. 3. you definitely show the youthful & how should I say this... NOT the old expats point of view on the ISG)


Wow, man, I'm so impressed. No, really. Imagine, your own coterie of faithful acolytes hanging onto your every utterance. Do you call them your mongerettes?

Methinks some people ought to get out more often;).

[Warbucks]

Wow, man, I'm so impressed. No, really. Imagine, your own coterie of faithful acolytes hanging onto your every utterance. Do you call them your mongerettes?



Methinks some people ought to get out more often;).

LOL. Couldn't agree more.

Nothing wrong with giving Kudos to other members of this forum, now what is troubling is the guys who lives to take swipes at other members.

Nah I am not into making pet names for other men but I was using the PMs to point out while some think what I have to say is bullshit there are some who think otherwise.

Have a nice day CS.

[FreebieFan]

LOL. Couldn't agree more.

Nothing wrong with giving Kudos to other members of this forum, now what is troubling is the guys who lives to take swipes at other members.

Nah I am not into making pet names for other men but I was using the PMs to point out while some think what I have to say is bullshit there are some who think otherwise.

Have a nice day CS.Hi guys,

Well clearly the age subject has hit a few nerves amongst a few of us. Seems like we all view the world (our Philippines world anyways) with different eyes. I got some " fan mail " indicating support for my side of the discussion, and obviously Warbucks got the same.

I'd agree, this little subject has done its time and time to move on. (of course the older ones amongst us, will be moving slower. LOL.)

[X Man]

There he goes again, Warbucks, aka D'etat, aka Illogic, who claims to "avoid conflict", but regularly posts in a way that "takes a swipe" at those who have dared to challenge his postings in the past.

My kudos on your consistency. X




LOL. Couldn't agree more.

Nothing wrong with giving Kudos to other members of this forum, now what is troubling is the guys who lives to take swipes at other members.

Nah I am not into making pet names for other men but I was using the PMs to point out while some think what I have to say is bullshit there are some who think otherwise.

Have a nice day CS.

[FreebieFan]

in these places you meet people from all over the world. Have any of you ever met a Tatar?.... nah didn’t think so?Why write a question without the opportunity to answer.

Tell you who I have met along my travels.

Estrada. Have you.

GMA. Have you

Late Cory Aquino have you

Jejomar BInay. Has a super cute daughter too. (actually he has a few daughters but one is stunning.) Have you?

Tartars no. You have right?

Tukmenistanis. Yes have you. No didn't think so.

Haitians. Have you?

Maragaret Thatcher. Have you

Geoff Boycott. A God but only Cunning will undertand this one.

W Bush. (PM me for the story. It was in Saudi.)

Bill Gates. Well at least I met him thru his mandatory wall of 12 security guards Li Ka Shing (please don't say you never heard of him.)

Shall we continue. My point being don't ask questions without the opportunity to answer.

Were all adults here so lets treat other as such.

[FreebieFan]

in these places you meet people from all over the world. Have any of you ever met a Tatar? . Nah didn't think so? Oops. I forgot (must be the early onset of Alzheimers) not forgetting US Defense Secretary Bill Cohen who has/had a cute black wife.

You must have met them too. Right?

My point being jocular, but lets none of us boast. We can each "up each other " Is that an urban dict thing?

[X Man]

you really get around! have you met my ex wife?

aquino, saw her give a speech at luneta.

haitians...yea, went to port-au-prince - my first trip to the 3rd world. wow, a few stories there... the first time a woman followed me into the men's rest room and suggested we have sex. i didn't get to meet duvalier.

thatcher, yep. i also had to transcribe the speech she gave that day. she misquoted churchill, btw. a pretty good speaker, nevertheless. is the old bat still alive?

tater? i think that's what some american hillbillies say when they are referring to a potato. it might even be slang for slow witted hillbillies.

i think i'm a bit off topic, but ff's post is so compelling, i had to reply. sorry.
x




why write a question without the opportunity to answer.

tell you who i have met along my travels.

estrada. have you.

gma. have you

late cory aquino have you

jejomar binay. has a super cute daughter too. (actually he has a few daughters but one is stunning.) have you?

tartars no. you have right?

tukmenistanis. yes have you. no didn't think so.

haitians. have you?

maragaret thatcher. have you

geoff boycott. a god but only cunning will undertand this one.

w bush. (pm me for the story. it was in saudi.)

bill gates. well at least i met him thru his mandatory wall of 12 security guards li ka shing (please don't say you never heard of him.)

shall we continue. my point being don't ask questions without the opportunity to answer.

were all adults here so lets treat other as such.

[Cunning Stunt]

geoff boycott. a god but only cunning will undertand this one.


i’ve met boycott as well and he seemed to me to be a rather nasty gobshite! much preferred goughy.

how many of you namedroppers have shagged a star? i have, albeit before she became well known. when i worked at the old maudsley hospital in the 80’s, i had a short but passionate fling with a chubby nutter nurse with an amazing dry and deadpan sense of humour which she later used to become a top stand-up and is now very much mainstream. and, no it wasn’t dawn french (i’ve met her hubbie though who is an a1 guy).



thatcher, yep. i also had to transcribe the speech she gave that day. she misquoted churchill, btw. a pretty good speaker, nevertheless. is the old bat still alive?


what was you transcribing into? detroitese? yes, the iron lady is still with us, but is starting to show the effects of the onset of dementia/alzeimers so she is going to tread the same lonely path as her good friend ronny.

interested to know how she misquoted the great man. was it something like ‘sir, i am ugly and you are drunk, but tomorrow i will still be ugly’.

[X Man]

No, the old bat misquoted Churchills exagerration about what some flyboys did for their country. That is surely his second most famous quote after the one you alluded to in the quote below. X



Interested to know how she misquoted the great man. Was it something like ‘Sir, I am ugly and you are drunk, but tomorrow I will still be ugly’.

[Soapy Smith]

Tartars no. You have right?

At risk of bragging a little, I confess to having done some of the best Tartars in the World. Of course it was four decades ago. As an arrogant lad in Uncle Sam's employ I was introduced to the wonderful Tartars served up in Germany -- and especially in the region between Frankfurt and Mainz along the Main River. Perhaps some of our German ISGers can confirm whether they still make them up the old way: a wonderful mound of raw ground round without a speck of fat, chopped onion, black pepper and a little salt, and then a raw egg over the top.

The great little Gasthause in the region specialized in Tartar, Apfelwein, and Handkaese mit Musik. Please tell me those great little taverns haven't been put out of business by the health inspectors or other EU bureaucratic heavy-handedness.

[Zackary Kr]

The title says it all. I'm pretty sure this question has been discussed but i couldn't find it anywhere. Sorry.

Anyways, my question is, is it possible to barfine another girl from the same place without offending the first barfine? Is there anything that the monger could do that would appease the first girl as well as making the second girl feel ok?

[Member #3428]

The title says it all. I'm pretty sure this question has been discussed but i couldn't find it anywhere. Sorry.

Anyways, my question is, is it possible to barfine another girl from the same place without offending the first barfine? Is there anything that the monger could do that would appease the first girl as well as making the second girl feel ok?

It's a business, their feelings are not hurt their wallet is hurt. They will play the game about how you don't care for them etc... but honestly the only thing they care about is their wallet.

They are masters at making the weak monger feel guilty, it's a business, it happens all the time, just tell them you want to eat something fresh or try someone new or be like me, take 2 or 3 at a time :D

Seriously... shrug it off, this is a business, you are the customer, you are paying for a service they are to provide the service.

[Zackary Kr]

It's a business, their feelings are not hurt their wallet is hurt. They will play the game about how you don't care for them etc... but honestly the only thing they care about is their wallet.

They are masters at making the weak monger feel guilty, it's a business, it happens all the time, just tell them you want to eat something fresh or try someone new or be like me, take 2 or 3 at a time :D

Seriously... shrug it off, this is a business, you are the customer, you are paying for a service they are to provide the service.

Tansak,

Thanks for that. Apparently, I have a strong guilty conscience. I mean, I don't mind taking girls from different bars and the girls find out about each other through hearsay. But, going directly to the bar I was in the previous night and taking out another girl made me feel a bit guilty. Strangely, when I mongered in Korea, the girls never had a problem with it and sometimes encouraged it.

Thanks for the advice!

zackary kr

[Member #3428]

But, going directly to the bar I was in the previous night and taking out another girl made me feel a bit guilty.

Yeah I'm weak willed also but seriously it is a business. Now I am a nice guy, if I take a girl and go to the bar again I buy them drinks, talk with them, etc... and they usually share girls. The girls will point out other girls to take and try out etc...

I'm nice to them but if they pull they, I thought you liked me crap after one night etc... that's just bull crap, don't fall for it. BUT as I said, buying drinks for the one you've taken before can reap good dividends as she knows you and what you like and can get a hot good performer for you. And if the girls know you will return to the same bar you will get better service and your specific likes and dislikes will get known and you will be happier IMHO....

Be nice, just don't get sucked into one girl per bar if you like others... You are the customer and you are PAYING.

[Zackary Kr]

Actually, that was exactly what I had in mind and you stated it for me. hehe. I was gonna go back to the bar I went to last night and just buy the girl from the previous night a ladydrink or two. Then let her know my intentions (actually I had mentioned it to her while we were in bed that I might be barfining some other girl the next day).

I tried to help her understand about my being on vacation and trying to enjoy a variety of everything and she said she was "ok" with it but looked slightly hurt. She kept asking me to come visit the bar (Blue Angels in Cebu BTW). However, I wasn't sure if I'd go back to visit her or if I would barfine her since it would be my last night and variety is always nice.

[Marconista]

Me, I just tell the first girl that if I come back to the bar, I may BF someone else. I say that I am a paruparu (butterfly) and they will accept it. Playing hurt of course, but giving a LD next time is a nice gesture.


Anyways, my question is, is it possible to barfine another girl from the same place without offending the first barfine? Is there anything that the monger could do that would appease the first girl as well as making the second girl feel ok?

[FreebieFan]

I've met Boycott as well and he seemed to me to be a rather nasty gobshite! Much preferred Goughy.

What was you transcribing into? Detroitese? Yes, the Iron Lady is still with us, but is starting to show the effects of the onset of dementia/alzeimers so she is going to tread the same lonely path as her good friend Ronny.

Interested to know how she misquoted the great man. Was it something like 'Sir, I am ugly and you are drunk, but tomorrow I will still be ugly'.Had the pleasure of being a waiter in a Thatcher function. Think it was a Conservative party confererence in my student (needs money) days. She politely asked me for more mustard. Ah. My glory days. LOL.

[Amavida]

The title says it all. I'm pretty sure this question has been discussed but i couldn't find it anywhere. Sorry.
Anyways, my question is, is it possible to barfine another girl from the same place without offending the first barfine? Is there anything that the monger could do that would appease the first girl as well as making the second girl feel ok?Yeah, spend money ;)
Seriously, if you buy lots of LD's for many girls & have a little game you can BF any you want form the same bar.
Just going into the bar & coldly pulling a different girl everynight makes them feel cheap Im sure.
Going in & being fun, throwing around a little cash will make them all smile & forget.
If a particular girl goes gaga over you then best to just visit another bar.

Im not a big advocate of Burgos St in Manila but I have visited hollywood bar many times & shagged many of the girls, often duo's. The girls know me but have too much fun to object.
Got a good reputation amongst them with my tongue! :D hehehe

AV

[Sammon]

Yeah, spend money ;)
Seriously, if you buy lots of LD's for many girls & have a little game you can BF any you want form the same bar.
Just going into the bar & coldly pulling a different girl everynight makes them feel cheap Im sure.
Going in & being fun, throwing around a little cash will make them all smile & forget.
If a particular girl goes gaga over you then best to just visit another bar.

Im not a big advocate of Burgos St in Manila but I have visited hollywood bar many times & shagged many of the girls, often duo's. The girls know me but have too much fun to object.
Got a good reputation amongst them with my tongue! :D hehehe

AV
I had the same problem. I barfined a ugly looking waitress from one of the bars when I was drunk. She really rocked my world sexwise. When she left in the evening for work she asked me to come to her bar. Without the beer goggles I am thinking she is too ugly to go barhopping and disco which I like.
So I went out and found a real pretty girl went bar hopping, disco etc and she was good in bed also.
Next day I get a nasty text from the waitress saying how much she loves me and one of her door girls told her that I was with another girl etc and she would like to come over and talk. I clearly told her I am a butterfly and she has to understand but if she wants to come it is ok. What followed was good sex all day. The same thing repeated itself of me promising to visit her bar and seen with another girl.
Next day she went ballistic again. These girls simply do not understand why we go to Phi.

[Member #3428]

Yeah, spend money ;)
Seriously, if you buy lots of LD's for many girls & have a little game you can BF any you want form the same bar.
Just going into the bar & coldly pulling a different girl everynight makes them feel cheap Im sure.
Going in & being fun, throwing around a little cash will make them all smile & forget.
If a particular girl goes gaga over you then best to just visit another bar.

Im not a big advocate of Burgos St in Manila but I have visited hollywood bar many times & shagged many of the girls, often duo's. The girls know me but have too much fun to object.
Got a good reputation amongst them with my tongue! :D hehehe

AV

Shit then we've both played in the same sandbox with the same girls....

many girls have left recently and they got some new young ones in the last month.

[Robbaf]

I had the same problem. I barfined a ugly looking waitress from one of the bars when I was drunk. She really rocked my world sexwise. When she left in the evening for work she asked me to come to her bar. Without the beer goggles I am thinking she is too ugly to go barhopping and disco which I like.
So I went out and found a real pretty girl went bar hopping, disco etc and she was good in bed also.
Next day I get a nasty text from the waitress saying how much she loves me and one of her door girls told her that I was with another girl etc and she would like to come over and talk. I clearly told her I am a butterfly and she has to understand but if she wants to come it is ok. What followed was good sex all day. The same thing repeated itself of me promising to visit her bar and seen with another girl.
Next day she went ballistic again. These girls simply do not understand why we go to Phi.
Wow, sounds like we both got the same girl from Ivory:( I was bar hopping a couple of months ago with a first time visitor to the Philippines and trying to show him a good time. After 7 hours bar hopping and a few too many SML's, she gave me a sample BJ in the bar and I said what the hell lets go. Now she is in love and wants me to marry her:D I told her sorry I was renting, not buying.

Robb

[Ben2]

Next day she went ballistic again. These girls simply do not understand why we go to Phi.

It has absolutely nothing about "why we go the The P.I.!! Absolutely nothing! Why? Because the same thing goes on in every country! The P.I. does not have this market locked up! Guys are butterflies in every country! Come on man...you'll bare me out on this...but once you've seen one pussy....hell...you want to see 'em all!

[FreebieFan]

Im not a big advocate of Burgos St in Manila but I have visited hollywood bar many times & shagged many of the girls, often duo's. The girls know me but have too much fun to object.

Got a good reputation amongst them with my tongue! :D hehehe

AVAh. Hollywood. When I landed back in Manila for my 3rd permanent assignment there in 1999 I took a journey to Burgos on a quiet Sunday night just to see what had changed. And happened into Hollywood. I left about 2 hours later, relieved of cash and sperm. And yeah for a while was taking out two of the better ladies who have long since gone, retired etc.

[Amavida]

Shit then we've both played in the same sandbox with the same girls....

many girls have left recently and they got some new young ones in the last month.Hmm, will be back in Manila in 3 weeks. Might have to go sample the new menu what? ;)

AV

[Member #3428]

Hmm, will be back in Manila in 3 weeks. Might have to go sample the new menu what? ;)

AV

We gotta trade menu's some day..... Many girls have left Hollywood, had their Holloween party last tonight / last night BTW.

The bar next door and screw my alzheimers if I forget the name but it's on the tip of my tongue (or many of the girls were on my tongue) has some nice talent also and their party is the 31st.

Burgos is OVERPRICED and a shit hole but there are some nice girls there and they are clean for the most part. I rarely go personally to Burgos, they come over to me which is the nice thing about the place like that.

On Tue, Wed, Thur I've set up a training session with three new girls. Of course another lady will come to make sure they follow through with their training courses.

[Wicked Roger]

We gotta trade menu's some day..... Many girls have left Hollywood, had their Holloween party last tonight / last night BTW.

The bar next door and screw my alzheimers if I forget the name but it's on the tip of my tongue (or many of the girls were on my tongue) has some nice talent also and their party is the 31st.

Burgos is OVERPRICED and a shit hole but there are some nice girls there and they are clean for the most part. I rarely go personally to Burgos, they come over to me which is the nice thing about the place like that.

On Tue, Wed, Thur I've set up a training session with three new girls. Of course another lady will come to make sure they follow through with their training courses.


Thats what I like about you Tansak, your attention to detail and the way you care for the girls during their training session.

I have the same here especially after the girl has be deviriginised by another girl...always a follow up to amke sure the girl remembers everything :) and of course I am there as the professor to grade them ;)

Assume the lady who does the follow up is the one I met in the Dusit that day?

Have fun (well you are), am back end November so lets try catch each other then

[Member #3428]

Thats what I like about you Tansak, your attention to detail and the way you care for the girls during their training session.

I have the same here especially after the girl has be deviriginised by another girl...always a follow up to amke sure the girl remembers everything :) and of course I am there as the professor to grade them ;)

Assume the lady who does the follow up is the one I met in the Dusit that day?

Have fun (well you are), am back end November so lets try catch each other then

Yes and no... have the ones you saw, the one you really liked is back for her follow up lesson. However I have the 30 year old mother of 6 which you did not see (but her photo is posted) bringing a girl who never did greek or with other girl so it will require much training and effort. Saw her on cam last night and she has the proper look to enter the training program.

She is aware of the program schedule including video and photo... All indications is that she is a willing student.

The single young girl (new one) who is not ready for group lessons is to friggin SWEET.... and I can't wait to deflower her virgin areas... hope I can get her trained up to do group sessions before I leave.

Then damn it I got a few DIA's that not sure I want to waste my time with as some are promising everything for free and such.... And then I wanna hit up some ISG guys for some time at Greenbelt and have some suppliers and such I need to go out with...

Damn.... Manila is a shit hole but god damn I never have enough time in that shit hole...

Hope to catch you end of Nov. For me Nov 21 or so MNL then BKK then Hanoi and return.... back through in Dec... then back around in Jan...

[FreebieFan]

Yes and no... have the ones you saw, the one you really liked is back for her follow up lesson. However I have the 30 year old mother of 6 which you did not see (but her photo is posted) bringing a girl who never did greek or with other girl so it will require much training and effort. Saw her on cam last night and she has the proper look to enter the training program.

She is aware of the program schedule including video and photo... All indications is that she is a willing student.

The single young girl (new one) who is not ready for group lessons is to friggin SWEET.... and I can't wait to deflower her virgin areas... hope I can get her trained up to do group sessions before I leave.

Then damn it I got a few DIA's that not sure I want to waste my time with as some are promising everything for free and such.... And then I wanna hit up some ISG guys for some time at Greenbelt and have some suppliers and such I need to go out with...

Damn.... Manila is a shit hole but god damn I never have enough time in that shit hole...

Hope to catch you end of Nov. For me Nov 21 or so MNL then BKK then Hanoi and return.... back through in Dec... then back around in Jan...Shame. I'm hitting town on 12th. Would have been happy to have seen the Master Debaucherer!

Meanwhile I will just do my 4 or maybe 5 ladies in 3 days. As usual.

[Pheasantplucker]

Guys,

I'm trying to agree with my GF in PI on a fair allowance to keep her and her 2 daughters (and sometimes the rest of the extended family too! ) going now that she has given up as a WG in HongKong.

She reckons P20k per month.

Is this reasonable?

She has also just started up a small (non-mongering) business which earns her some pocket money too.

Grateful for all comments.

PR

[Rubberyman]

Guys,

I'm trying to agree with my GF in PI on a fair allowance to keep her and her 2 daughters (and sometimes the rest of the extended family too! ) going now that she has given up as a WG in HongKong.

She reckons P20k per month.

Is this reasonable?

She has also just started up a small (non-mongering) business which earns her some pocket money too.

Grateful for all comments.

PR


First of all, only you know what she is worth. If you really like her, and you get along well, maybe.

OTOH, the fact that you are asking the question seems to indicate some doubt on your own part. So the first suggestion is to sort out how you feel about her. If it is her and her alone that you want, then whatever you can afford and she asks is the price.

If on the other hand, she were to leave tomorrow, and you would just shrug your shoulders and look elsewhere, then my suggestion would be one of either options:

Option 1 - If you want her a bit, just mention to her that you might ask some local girls you know what they get. See if she comes down in price any.

Option 2 - If you might be interested in 'moving on' actually go out to some of the bars, buy a few ladies drinks, look sad, spin the story that your Asawa wants 20000 - see what the reaction is. Next step, go to a few other bars and buy some lady drinks and mention some lower prices - see what the reaction is. If you get some eager responses at 5000P per month, and the offeror is cute, then you are in a good position to negotiate with your present Asawa mo.

You will probably get a better idea of the market that way. The reason for this is that if you are old and ugly with bad breath or young and handsum man then different prices might apply, same with where you live, what job you have, plus other negotiables (I mean your present Asawa may be doing some really weird things for you that are well worth 20000P per month even in the Phils), and we here are probably not able to comment on all those variables. Whereas if you were to hie yourself down to the nearest bar, you could put all that across in five minutes.

[BJK]

Guys,
I'm trying to agree with my GF in PI on a fair allowance to keep her and her 2 daughters (and sometimes the rest of the extended family too! ) going now that she has given up as a WG in HongKong.

She reckons P20k per month.

Is this reasonable?
PR

I have never been to the Philippines so not an expert. A person I know (I hire for casual work) earns about 20k in a software maintainence and support role. i.e. she is not a top developer but has gone to uni etc.
Another girl I know works at McDonalds. I think it would be around 8k She supports her family on this (no rent).
If you include laptop, net access (1k), phone and rent in something you could stay in then this would be comfortable but not extravagant.

You need to make sure you are the only one. Are you living there or visit often? How old are the daughters? You should probably just give her a fill up not her total needs, get her to get a job, if her daughters are young then get the mum to look after, after all she must have been in some arrangement in HK.
If she does not have a job or full time study she is going to get up to no good unless you are around.

BJK

[Wicked Roger]

Yes and no... have the ones you saw, the one you really liked is back for her follow up lesson. However I have the 30 year old mother of 6 which you did not see (but her photo is posted) bringing a girl who never did greek or with other girl so it will require much training and effort. Saw her on cam last night and she has the proper look to enter the training program.

She is aware of the program schedule including video and photo... All indications is that she is a willing student.

The single young girl (new one) who is not ready for group lessons is to friggin SWEET.... and I can't wait to deflower her virgin areas... hope I can get her trained up to do group sessions before I leave.

Then damn it I got a few DIA's that not sure I want to waste my time with as some are promising everything for free and such.... And then I wanna hit up some ISG guys for some time at Greenbelt and have some suppliers and such I need to go out with...

Damn.... Manila is a shit hole but god damn I never have enough time in that shit hole...

Hope to catch you end of Nov. For me Nov 21 or so MNL then BKK then Hanoi and return.... back through in Dec... then back around in Jan...

We must be cut from the same mould :D

Was starting Greek lessons on 2 Filipinas last night (both bisexual) and tonight hopefully will have 2 more lessons.....need to follow up ;) A good friend visiting from the UK is assisting Professor WR as the girls need special follow up he said ;)

As for you plans - looks as if we may meet up again, maybe there same time (same hotel of course).....may have a sweet 18 year old in tow who needs some group lessons....if so can I count you in ?? LOL

[Sammon]

Guys,

I'm trying to agree with my GF in PI on a fair allowance to keep her and her 2 daughters (and sometimes the rest of the extended family too! ) going now that she has given up as a WG in HongKong.

She reckons P20k per month.

Is this reasonable?

She has also just started up a small (non-mongering) business which earns her some pocket money too.

Grateful for all comments.

PR
I have supported two girls on allowance. However those girls are normal girls.
One I supported for 4 years and the other for 2 years.
In Phi it all depends on where they live. If they live in big cities the cost of living is high. My girls lived in small places and they were young and single.
For girls who are single and living in the provinces an allowance of 8000 pesos a month is good money. They even went to college.
For your girl 20,000 pesos seems about right. She has two daughters and used to higher earning power in Hong Kong. She can put her daughters through school and live well.
Here are the questions you have to ask yourself before you committ,
1. How long are you going to support them? In all relationships without marriage you will get bored and would want other available girls.
My arrangement with the girls was till they finish school or they find a job. Both found a job, one locally and the other went to dubai to work.
2. How long your sexual interest in her will last?
My sexual interest with my girls was good in the begining and went downhill afterwards. It is hard to resist temptation with so many available girls. One time I had planned to spend a week with one of the girls , got bored after three days, gave a excuse and went to AC.
3. What about the two daughters she has?
Are you going to be a father figure? Are you looking for a instant family?
Not being a biological father you may not be able to handle their demands and expectations. As for your GF , her daughters will always come first.
4. Are you looking for a GF when you land in PHI or looking to settle down there?
With so many attractive young girls available why would you settle for a girl
with baggage if you are thinking of settling down there.
5. Do you trust her enough that she will not hook on the side?
Being a former bargirl it will be vetry easy for her emotionally to earn some extra money. After all she has two daughters to bring up and she will soon be old enough and cannot make extra money.
6. Is this money you are going to send every month a charity donation?
If so go ahead but remember charity always starts at home.

[Pheasantplucker]

Many tks for all yr comments and advice - it has certainly focused my mind to say the least and I now have a plan of action to follow.

Happy Mongering to you all:-)

PR

[Big Johnson2]

Piet Riet, I'm in your dilemma, I have been supporting an ex BG w/ a child for almost a year now. I give her now 15K / month when not with her. I originally gave her 10K and she would run out before the end of the month. I have been with her half the time, like 2 & 4 months this year. She lives in Samar where things are cheap. I don't know where your girl lives.

Sammon gave great advice. Like how much do you really want to be stuck with one girl because there are so many others. No matter how good looking she is you will probably like to sample others. And even w/ a very horny girl, the sex sometimes is not as good as it was when you first met her.

My girl wants me to rent an apartment or better yet build a house for her so she can stay alone when I'm not in the Phil. Currently she goes back to live w/ her parents when I'm not there. She is complaining she is getting a lot of shit from her family and friends that I'm not serious because we don't have our own apt. or house. She says she feels like a BG since I just come get her and we go stay in a hotel while I'm there and then she goes home when I leave. She lives in a little village and says she could build a house for about 100,000P or $2000+.

Also many stupid guys send a lot more money than me and rent apts for their GFs and buy them motorbikes, computers, jewelry, and other gifts. She wants to get married and have a child. Is it true that she needs her own apt or house to feel there is a commitment that we are a family? She says this will shut up her family and friends.

[Big Johnson2]

It's a business, their feelings are not hurt their wallet is hurt. They will play the game about how you don't care for them etc... but honestly the only thing they care about is their wallet.

They are masters at making the weak monger feel guilty, it's a business, it happens all the time, just tell them you want to eat something fresh or try someone new or be like me, take 2 or 3 at a time :D

Seriously... shrug it off, this is a business, you are the customer, you are paying for a service they are to provide the service.

I have found that many of these girls are looking for more than just a bar fine. Many want to quit this business and be your GF. I recently had the same dilemma. Met a cherry girl at one of the big bars that has many good looking girls. She boom booms me and then wants to be my GF. She come over after work any night I want her and says she's my GF and tells me she only BB me. Now there are lots of good looking girls at her bar, but I've stayed away because I think I have a good thing. I have given her money and have BFed her in the past. I think the freebees would change if I went out w/ another girl at her club, maybe even from another club.

I guess the answer to the original question, I wouldn't worry about taking a different girl out from the same club if you wanted to, unless you wanted to make the first girl your GF and she is a pretty straight girl who doesn't want to do threesomes with you.

[ManonsanBoy]

Went back to AC to see a BF. I had her for 4 days in September and it was great. I gave her 5000P bonus when I left in september with no promises. She literally cried her eyes out @ airport.

Second day on this trip, she wants me to support her. I asked why and she says she makes me happy, which is true. Third day, we went shopping at SM Mall with her 3 year old son. He calls me, bless his little soul, grandpa! Fourth day, we even went to church (in Tagalog) and lunch at SM Mall followed by the phone shops and toy shops. Fifth day, she managed to convince me to go to Cebu (Moalboal) with her for 5 days. My short sex trip turned into an emotional roller coaster. I would hate to live in her village up on the ridge above the sea for anything more than a few days but I was greeted by literally dozens of relatives. I had a few beers with the men.

I went boating off the dive resort and had a dive also. It was good. One evening, in one of the resorts restaurants, I asked her why AC and bar girl. She looked me straight in eye and said, son, no money, no job, poor family. How do I eat? And you.......why no wife and why you go chasing bar girls? We walked the beach at night.......and I wondered..........there is land on that headland.........

It is not that many years before I am 60 and here is this 21 YO promising to love and take care of me, for less money a month than a good meal and wine would cost in Hong Kong (200 US).

I left nonetheless..........and gave her 1000 USD and her mother 10,000P. She did not go back to AC........at Cebu airport, she said you know where to find me. I said I may not come back...........she says you will be and smiled. I will bear you a son..........I said I had a vasectomy.........she says we can bring up her son.........

I can live like an Emperor let alone a king in Moalboal. 5000 USD a month is not an issue with me. See what happens when middle age men realise they are getting on............and begin wondering

[Robbaf]

I can live like an Emperor let alone a king in Moalboal. 5000 USD a month is not an issue with me. See what happens when middle age men realise they are getting on............and begin wonderingThis happens to many men visiting in the PI. I only hope you made a mistake and meant to type 500 USD a month and not 5000:(

Good Luck and you will be back:D

Robb

[Jambo]

See what happens when middle age men realize they are getting on............and begin wondering
Guys, we may have to do an intervention here. Get the helo cranked up.

Seriously, you've my age (mid 50's). You would be bored out of your mind in 3 months of that place. And in short order you would see that you still got the energy and desire to do other girls, and so then you start sneaking around like some of the other married mongers here.

I suggest you wait until you are more like 70's+ and that window of opportunity will really start to close. Look at all the single 30yo pinays with kids. Marry one and build her a house.

[ManonsanBoy]

This happens to many men visiting in the PI. I only hope you made a mistake and meant to type 500 USD a month and not 5000:(

Good Luck and you will be back:D

Robb


I can afford 5000 USD a month. I did not mean I would give that. I do not have any deserving relatives..........

[FreebieFan]

It is not that many years before I am 60 and here is this 21 YO promising to love and take care of me, for less money a month than a good meal and wine would cost in Hong Kong (200 US).

I can live like an Emperor let alone a king in Moalboal. 5000 USD a month is not an issue with me. See what happens when middle age men realise they are getting on............and begin wonderingAnd in business would you put all your market share to one particular market segment or would you spread the risk and spread the return.

Go back to AC and go have another 10 BF's and let the sun back into your eyes. Shes one gal in a country with about 40 million other girls, or whom 15 million at least are of eligible and above average market return potential. LOL

[Puerto La Cruz]

We are the same age but will you adopt me? Its perfectly legal. I only need $2,00.00 a month there. Can I start preparing the papers?

[ManonsanBoy]

We are the same age but will you adopt me? Its perfectly legal. I only need $2,00.00 a month there. Can I start preparing the papers?


Hey guys. Thanks. I am back in HK. I am sipping a fine pinot noir. Reality is setting in. I am having a sensible conversation with a buddy. He is rolling around the floor laughing and saying we should go mongering this evening.....but no pinays!!!!!!

Maybe I will put it off for another few years and maybe not with a bar girl.

[Big Johnson2]

I have also found that many Filipinos would much rather take your money than go work for themselves. I see extreme laziness based on Western standards. I hear that I can't take that job because it doesn't pay enough. Lots of fathers and brothers letting their daughters/sisters fuck themselves silly instead of working themselves.

Also many of these girls who are sent off to be BGs have mental problems before they even get to the bars. From the minor inferiority complex, to suicidal and most don't know how to handle normal situations and live in total drama. This comes from parents mistreating them or abusing them and making them feel like they are worth nothing. Some were sexually abused. They are made to believe that they owe the family to become a BG and send all their money home. To handle the BG job which they don’t like, I have known several <100 lb girls that have become drunks drinking 10+ drinks a night. Sad.

[Rubberyman]

I have also found that many Filipinos would much rather take your money than go work for themselves. I see extreme laziness based on Western standards. I hear that I can't take that job because it doesn't pay enough. Lots of fathers and brothers letting their daughters/sisters fuck themselves silly instead of working themselves.



LOL!

And many in the west (mostly bankers and financial advisers) would much rather take your Taxpayer money than go work for themselves. I see extreme laziness based on Western Standards - go to expensive restaurants in the financial districts of the world and see how hard they work. LOL.

I hear that "I can't take that job because it doesn't pay enough" in a lot of European countries - plenty of options to study for free well into the thirties without student loans, plenty of unemployment benefits. Lots of people letting US Taxpayers work themselves silly instead of working themselves.

In the west we are lucky that we had an industrial revolution two hundred years ago that gave us a head start....but the rest of the world is catching up - because WE are lazier than they are.


Also many of these girls who are sent off to be BGs have mental problems before they even get to the bars. From the minor inferiority complex, to suicidal and most don't know how to handle normal situations and live in total drama. This comes from parents mistreating them or abusing them and making them feel like they are worth nothing. Some were sexually abused. They are made to believe that they owe the family to become a BG and send all their money home. To handle the BG job which they don’t like, I have known several <100 lb girls that have become drunks drinking 10+ drinks a night. Sad.

I suggest you get on a downtown bus in many parts of the west, take a look at the faces, and it will be clear that the Phils may be poor, but it does not need to feel ashamed in comparison. A judge here got into a bit of trouble by saying that women in a particular suburb here mostly had deformed faces because of the repeated bashings they got. I can't think of anywhere in the Phils where that might be so.

I am saying all this because it is often the case that expats often forget how bad it really is at home. Sure, I think that if one looked in the Phils that one could find things exactly as you say, so I am NOT saying that you are wrong. I am pointing out however, that in many ways we are worse.

Is it better that in the Phils the ladys go out to work in bars if their family has no money, or in the West that they and their family stay home and loaf while YOU the taxpayer work an extra ten hours a week (or however long you have to work to pay your taxes)?

[Jambo]

Hey guys. Thanks. I am back in HK.
Well shoot if you are based in HK you are only a couple hours flight from Cebu or Manila. You could keep a girl on ice with a reasonable retainer.

Personally I want to be able to bury my shaft in a LBFM without having to worry about wearing a raincoat, so thats why I will look for long term relationship with a live in girl and avoid bar girls for the most part.

Keeping a girl on retainer while you are out of town, you might worry if she's playing around. It may not be as bad as some guys say, but its an issue.

[Member #3428]

The Mentality and thought Process of some Filipina's amaze me.

I'm back from a few more days of work in Makati and as reported in other threads I had planned to meet up with a new 19 year old and I did. The plan was to train her a little and move into some 3 somes and 4 somes with other girls, but I figured I'd give a little time to this 19 year old. I did move into some other adventures but I liked this little girl so I called her back and ended up spending 4 straight days with her. No cash exchanged for these days but of course we did shop. She is one of 12 children and she admits that her parents can not control her and she is spoiled and lies sometimes but only on not important things to get out of trouble. She was going home every day to get a change of clothes as she was staying with her Tita and not out with guys or a guy. That was her idea of a little lie to stay out of trouble.

Um... Ok...

She will turn 20 in a month or so, and she is thinking her life is almost over. She is half my age. She tells me that she has changed her college degree three times, can't decide what she wants in life, all her friends are married and she is turning into an old lady alone and she better forget about school and get wise and take care of a guy and settle down.

Um... Ok...

She's cute as a button, articulate, yes she has no direction in life except she wants to travel away from Philippines, knows what she doesn't want but no clue on what she does want. According to her, all her friends have been married now for a while to all sorts of different nationalities and she has had two overseas BF's but she failed to make them happy. So they left for YOUNGER girls (WTF???). The one guy was 50 years old started to see her when she was 17 while he was getting a divorce then when she turned 18 he left her for another 17 year old. The next BF left her when she turned 19 for a younger girl and he was really old he was 55. (her words not mine)

Um... OK...

Per her words... she is thinking she is lucky to meet me as I am only twice her age as most her friends are married to "really old old guys, like 50 and such." And she hopes I like her and that I can teach her and be patient with her and give us a chance to get to know each other. She promises to only lie about not important things but she will try not to lie too much to me.

Um... Ok...

I just can't imagine what it must be like to think you are getting over the hill at 20 years old and you are worrying about guys who will date you because you think you are too old at 20 years old, especially when this girl is just cute as a button. But it goes to show you how cut throat these girls can get over getting a guy to take care of them.

So just remember when you are with a 24 or 25 year old, there are 18, 19, and 20 year olds out there that are also wanting us "old" guys and would be happy to be with some of us. :D So if they start giving some attitude or not being obedient, throw them back in the sea (or threaten too) as I have found that scares them the most.

[Cheapy]

Cgreat report Tansak. We mongers forget the pressure these girls are under. The parents want money, Pinoy BFs are using and abusing, the girls who do get an education are unemployed or underemployed. So many are playing the only card they have. One fine brown body which has an "expiration date" in their early 20s.

I've got a 22 yr. Old GF who is beginning to sound desparate. She has a college education and a job, but I can tell, she is worried. And trying to set-the-hook.

I'm going back in a couple of months, but have set-up pre/post GFs just to keep everything in perspective. Yes, they lie to us all the time. They tell us what we want to hear. And we do the same with them. Being with us gives them a great escape from that pressure plus a clean bathroom with hot water.

Treat them well, in the next life who knows where you will be! LOL.

[Samar 2009]

The mentality in the majority of Philippinas is the same. They are tryng to get a foreigner even if he's older than 55 to take care of them. But as soon as they feel comfortable with the said foreigner they look around for a younger guy or guys.

To them lying, comes naturally. They are pre_ programmed as soon as they are born. If they had the power of having what we have. Eg. Money, good job. Etc. Etc. They will be fucking a different guy or guys every night. Believe me. I wouldn't trust a Philippina in a convent.

They also get spoiled very easily and they can't budget from day to day.

Just go to Phils, have a good time there. And don't ever commit yourself.

Samar


The Mentality and thought Process of some Filipina's amaze me.

I'm back from a few more days of work in Makati and as reported in other threads I had planned to meet up with a new 19 year old and I did. The plan was to train her a little and move into some 3 somes and 4 somes with other girls, but I figured I'd give a little time to this 19 year old. I did move into some other adventures but I liked this little girl so I called her back and ended up spending 4 straight days with her. No cash exchanged for these days but of course we did shop. She is one of 12 children and she admits that her parents can not control her and she is spoiled and lies sometimes but only on not important things to get out of trouble. She was going home every day to get a change of clothes as she was staying with her Tita and not out with guys or a guy. That was her idea of a little lie to stay out of trouble.

Um... Ok...

She will turn 20 in a month or so, and she is thinking her life is almost over. She is half my age. She tells me that she has changed her college degree three times, can't decide what she wants in life, all her friends are married and she is turning into an old lady alone and she better forget about school and get wise and take care of a guy and settle down.

Um... Ok...

She's cute as a button, articulate, yes she has no direction in life except she wants to travel away from Philippines, knows what she doesn't want but no clue on what she does want. According to her, all her friends have been married now for a while to all sorts of different nationalities and she has had two overseas BF's but she failed to make them happy. So they left for YOUNGER girls (WTF???). The one guy was 50 years old started to see her when she was 17 while he was getting a divorce then when she turned 18 he left her for another 17 year old. The next BF left her when she turned 19 for a younger girl and he was really old he was 55. (her words not mine)

Um... OK...

Per her words... she is thinking she is lucky to meet me as I am only twice her age as most her friends are married to "really old old guys, like 50 and such." And she hopes I like her and that I can teach her and be patient with her and give us a chance to get to know each other. She promises to only lie about not important things but she will try not to lie too much to me.

Um... Ok...

I just can't imagine what it must be like to think you are getting over the hill at 20 years old and you are worrying about guys who will date you because you think you are too old at 20 years old, especially when this girl is just cute as a button. But it goes to show you how cut throat these girls can get over getting a guy to take care of them.

So just remember when you are with a 24 or 25 year old, there are 18, 19, and 20 year olds out there that are also wanting us "old" guys and would be happy to be with some of us. :D So if they start giving some attitude or not being obedient, throw them back in the sea (or threaten too) as I have found that scares them the most.

[ManonsanBoy]

Personally I want to be able to bury my shaft in a LBFM without having to worry about wearing a raincoat, so thats why I will look for long term relationship with a live in girl and avoid bar girls for the most part.

Keeping a girl on retainer while you are out of town, you might worry if she's playing around. It may not be as bad as some guys say, but its an issue.

I guess eventually, I will "settle" in PI. Probably need to be able to escape to HK or where ever. I do not like raincoats either.

[Wicked Roger]

The Mentality and thought Process of some Filipina's amaze me.



Per her words... she is thinking she is lucky to meet me as I am only twice her age as most her friends are married to "really old old guys, like 50 and such."

So just remember when you are with a 24 or 25 year old, there are 18, 19, and 20 year olds out there that are also wanting us "old" guys and would be happy to be with some of us. :D So if they start giving some attitude or not being obedient, throw them back in the sea (or threaten too) as I have found that scares them the most.

Nice FR Tansak.....but obviously no hope for me of a threesome with your cutie (and she is definitely a cute one gentlemen) as am well over 50 and past my sexual peak...:D

Fortunately as you said there are plenty of others who like really old (and kinky) guys so am never short of company :)

And meewntioning that there are others who will take me as I am and accept me as I am (and younger) is a good way to keep them on track...have used that tack a few times.

See you soon

[Wicked Roger]

I have also found that many Filipinos would much rather take your money than go work for themselves. I see extreme laziness based on Western standards. I hear that I can't take that job because it doesn't pay enough. Lots of fathers and brothers letting their daughters/sisters fuck themselves silly instead of working themselves.

Sad.

I would say that many families once a daughter/son is working do stop looking for themselves...expecting the sibling to pay for their lazy habits.

Recently a freebie from the UAE returned to PI with some savings and I told her not to tell anyone as basically her greedy family would want to spend it (as Tansak said they cannot budget, no concept of this, live for the day, buy branded goods that can be pawned later if needed).

Sure enough 4 weeks after being back in CDO...she has nothing left. Parents suspected she had cash stacked away in her BDO account and being a good girl she could not lie to them (even though she would/could lie to me and others if needed).

Now she is in CDO no cash no job.....and I gave her a hard chat session telling how crazy she was, how greedy the family was/is etc. And she was remorseful and realises that family are money grabbing low lifes....and wants to find a job soon and move out of the family house (BTW she is not a bar girl)

Another I know who works in Dubai (old friend and fuck buddy) told me that when home in Dumaguete, she was 'courted' by many Pinoys and said she would never marry any because she did not want to work hard to fund their drinking, gambling, smoking etc. She spends her money on land, a house, a nice boob job (very nice boob job :)) and wants a white guy to marry as he will respect her.

She is 28, good brain, sensible and a tad kinky but recognises that most of her family prefer her to work so she can feed the "lazy time wasters" back home. She has resisted this most of the time and as such is doing well. They complain and she ignores them except medicines for her grandmother (and she knows the prices so is never cheated)

[Member #3428]

Nice FR Tansak.....but obviously no hope for me of a threesome with your cutie (and she is definitely a cute one gentlemen) as am well over 50 and past my sexual peak...:D

WR got to see some advance photo's :D But sorry WR there is no chance she'll do a 3 some next week with us. Remember the advanced training is only just beginning, she's only had training by others not by the TKTV or WR standards just yet.

As you know I"m all over SEA for a long time but I posted this for the newbies who are chatting on line or are new in PI etc... Any girl over 24 who is not married is usually looking at her life going downhill from there in Philippines especially if she has no education and is from a poor family. There's no reason anyone needs to take attitude or shit from a Filipina because they think if they don't snag a guy young and early their life is doomed. (not all but many of course)

For every girl that shoots you down or gives you attitude there at 1000's that are just turning 18, 1000's that are turning 19 and have had some training by guys before, and even more that are turning 20 and willing to take care of you and do anything for you just to get away from PI or to help out their family.

One thing about Filipina's they are fertile and bred like rabbits :D

[Muff Eater]

Took some girls out to eat and sing. At both places they ordered all kinds of food, milk shakes, desert, etc. Then didn't even eat 1/3 of the stuff they ordered. If they were my kids, I'd be scolding them for being so wasteful! Anyway, one girl said she earned 7k php a month as a regular in a dept. Store. She supports her parents and young son as the only wage earner in the family. She gets extra money by working at LAC one night a week. This one girl was kinda pretty, and I gave her 4.5k for LT. 3K for her and 1.5k for her son's bday in a week (or so she claimed). On the way back to Makati, I wanted to go the the Hyatt casino, but she said it was bad. A waste of money, so we went straight back to the hotel. Later on, I found out she spent all the money I gave her on e-games (online gambling) and she was so upset that she was crying and trembling. All these things show me that they're not used to having much and try to live high. At least I got my money's worth.

[Big Johnson2]

I have found from my GF that she hates me asking questions. Whether I'm asking where some item is in a large department store or a question about food on the menu, she hates it. Finally she told me don't ask questions, because you'll make the person feel dumb if he doesn't know the answer. Anytime I ask her a question about some business dealing or larger purchase she says "what do you think, I'm not stupid". Is my girl friend too sensitive?

Are there other cultural differences I need to know? I'm trying to be sensitive.

[X Man]

He, he you got played.


Took some girls out to eat and sing. At both places they ordered all kinds of food, milk shakes, desert, etc. Then didn't even eat 1/3 of the stuff they ordered. If they were my kids, I'd be scolding them for being so wasteful! Anyway, one girl said she earned 7k php a month as a regular in a dept. Store. She supports her parents and young son as the only wage earner in the family. She gets extra money by working at LAC one night a week. This one girl was kinda pretty, and I gave her 4.5k for LT. 3K for her and 1.5k for her son's bday in a week (or so she claimed). On the way back to Makati, I wanted to go the the Hyatt casino, but she said it was bad. A waste of money, so we went straight back to the hotel. Later on, I found out she spent all the money I gave her on e-games (online gambling) and she was so upset that she was crying and trembling. All these things show me that they're not used to having much and try to live high. At least I got my money's worth.

[X Man]

A lot of people don't like questions. Ignorant people especially don't like questions, since they don't know the answer and usually don't understand the question.

Your gal isn't too senitive, she's just trying to hide her dumbness. You should take notes and learn from her.

X



I have found from my GF that she hates me asking questions. Whether I'm asking where some item is in a large department store or a question about food on the menu, she hates it. Finally she told me don't ask questions, because you'll make the person feel dumb if he doesn't know the answer. Anytime I ask her a question about some business dealing or larger purchase she says "what do you think, I'm not stupid". Is my girl friend too sensitive?

Are there other cultural differences I need to know? I'm trying to be sensitive.

[Jambo]

Thats just the problem. The young ones got smooth skin and look good in the pool, but generally are dumb as fuck. I can play the "take daddys girl shopping" bit only so long. Guess that's the best reason to be with GROs, as they say, you pay them to LEAVE.

That's going to be a concern for me when I take a live-in after I move to PI. What to do with her? I guess my plan is to send her out to classes or on errands/work. And/or I go out to play golf or work out. I don't mind sitting with them and watching DVDs for a while at night. But like my 2nd wife, an empty mind gets bored easily, and then she becomes troublesome.

There are some very intelligent girls in the PI, but its harder for guys like us to meet them because..they're busy working. They don't hang out in malls or spend hours online. And since they are employable being with an old fuck doesn't make them juice their pants like it does for the poor girls.

I hooked up with a smart working girl a few years back. She knew stuff. Where to get sex toys in Manila. Where to find copy DVDs. She dressed well and was a pleasure to take to dinner. She was bi-curious and tried it with another girl and I. Problem was she was late 20s and starting to chubb out.

[Ajacobson]

I have found from my GF that she hates me asking questions... Finally she told me don't ask questions, because you'll make the person feel dumb if he doesn't know the answer... Are there other cultural differences I need to know?Well, from my extensive business experience (10+ years) in the Philippines I can tell you that Filipinos almost never admit that they don't know something, even if they don't have the slightest clue. That's the case even if not knowing the answer (and masquerading this fact) leads to common business decisions that endanger their own interest in success. Apparently they hope that the issue will somehow evaporate and everything will still come out fine.

I can recall several occasions of getting so annoyed that I will pressure them until they finally admit to not having a clue which seemingly subjects them to almost physical pain and deep embarassement. Of course you can only do that with people of lesser importance and not high-level politicians (who generally have the least knowledge of anything).

So, yes, I do think there is a cultural component to that. This may or may not have to do with the general importance of keeping face in Asia or the specific deep Filipino inferiority complex of fearing not being able to compete especially with Western societies.

[Rubberyman]

The mentality in the majority of Philippinas is the same. They are tryng to get a foreigner even if he's older than 55 to take care of them. But as soon as they feel comfortable with the said foreigner they look around for a younger guy or guys.

To them lying, comes naturally. They are pre_ programmed as soon as they are born. If they had the power of having what we have. Eg. Money, good job. Etc. Etc. They will be fucking a different guy or guys every night. Believe me. I wouldn't trust a Philippina in a convent.

They also get spoiled very easily and they can't budget from day to day.

Just go to Phils, have a good time there. And don't ever commit yourself.

Samar


Last year in Europe, I met a couple of Swedish ladies in their late twenties like that. Both of them had been studying at various universities, spoke at least five languages well (as their studies had been all over Europe). So, maybe it is a personality thing rather than a Pinay thing. When I read your post, I just thought *snap*.

[Bob Bowie]

Well, from my extensive business experience (10+ years) in the Philippines I can tell you that Filipinos almost never admit that they don't know something, even if they don't have the slightest clue. That's the case even if not knowing the answer (and masquerading this fact) leads to common business decisions that endanger their own interest in success. Apparently they hope that the issue will somehow evaporate and everything will still come out fine.

I can recall several occasions of getting so annoyed that I will pressure them until they finally admit to not having a clue which seemingly subjects them to almost physical pain and deep embarassement. Of course you can only do that with people of lesser importance and not high-level politicians (who generally have the least knowledge of anything).

So, yes, I do think there is a cultural component to that. This may or may not have to do with the general importance of keeping face in Asia or the specific deep Filipino inferiority complex of fearing not being able to compete especially with Western societies.
I have worked with a few Pinoy males, and use to get so frustrated with their inablity to admit they are wrong. It is almost impossible for them to admit they wrong, even after you Google some information and show them the facts, they will always keep arguing.

Now I just let it go, 99% of the time, it just isnt worth the hassle.

[ManonsanBoy]

I drank a few beers with the male relatives of my BF in AC when we visited Cebu. Moalboal is a lovely place. Initially, I had wanted to treat them to a meal and drinks at one of the resorts but they took me into town to a more rustic place. There were grand fathers (my age), cousins beyond description, uncles but no father. Absent fathers is so common in Philippines.

My BF coached me about what to do. Cartoons of cigarettes first. Beers and then make an offer to the kitchen at this place; offer them 50 % more than what they make normally. Include the people already there; shout them too. Anyway, we had a riot..............the food came, the beers flowed, the relatives came.............and BF and family kept the owner honest. In the end, around 50 people drank and ate for hours for 150 USD.

We had a great time and BF was displaying me like a prize. I felt like 21. I did wonder what if I never returned. I said we met at Hong Kong airport but no one was fooled, I think.

I listened, I commiserated, I scolded, I laughed............hours passed quickly.
They did not think much of Arroyo; hated Marcos and thought Aquino was a saint. Life was hard and simple. One chap even said not much to do except boom, boom.



Life and its meaning is just a little different. Be kind.

[Wicked Roger]

Remember the advanced training is only just beginning, she's only had training by others not by the TKTV or WR standards just yet.

One thing about Filipina's they are fertile and bred like rabbits :D

And we both know how exacting and demanding our training standards are.....

As for fertile etc, had 2 of my favourites tell me very openly this week they wanted my baby and they are ready for it (the baby not my todger ..althought the 2 must be linked :))...even though I am not.

They really want kids despite the fact that I dont and one said it made no difference if I did not support the child as it would be white and remind her of me (why on earth would any want another of me it beyond my wildest imagination)

They are no longer on my 'to do' list....

[GoodEnough]

I have worked with a few Pinoy males, and use to get so frustrated with their inablity to admit they are wrong. It is almost impossible for them to admit they wrong, even after you Google some information and show them the facts, they will always keep arguing.

Now I just let it go, 99% of the time, it just isnt worth the hassle.
I'm with Bob. It's not appropriate, within the context the the local culture, to back folks into a corner and you gain nothing from it. You embarrass them and they resent you. However, once you've established a decent relationship with a local colleague, there's a chance that he or she might accept the Western perspective, that it's perfectly acceptable to admit you don't know.

GE

[Member #3428]

I'm with Bob. It's not appropriate, within the context the the local culture, to back folks into a corner and you gain nothing from it. You embarrass them and they resent you. However, once you've established a decent relationship with a local colleague, there's a chance that he or she might accept the Western perspective, that it's perfectly acceptable to admit you don't know.

GE

I agree but I hate that when I, as a foreigner in MNL, I am wrong in cases I will admit it and if I wronged someone then I do apologize. But damn if they never seem to accept the apology and carry a grudge forever.

There is an Asst. Mgr. at a firm I work with for over 10 years now and we got into a little (and I do mean little) disagreement (with only his immediate superior and me knowing about this incident no one else) but he's carrying around a 100 ton chip on his shoulder ever since. And after I realized I was wrong, I admitted I was wrong and apologized (sincerely). Now they guy is even less productive and helpful then he was before.

Would have been easier to use local ways and not admit I was wrong and just kept on keeping on.... Usually it just does no good to work with or try to deal with a Western Perspective on anything in PI.

[Mark17]

Need some help. how to understand Filipino girls.

I am posting this here, as maybe some of you have some advice, even though I am seeing this girl in China.

I have been seeing a Filipino in China for 1 year now. and we developed a very nice relationship. I help her out in many ways.

Although she is well educated (college, worked in Dubai for awhile.) When I am not around, I know she is a working girl. (that is how I first met her). and sometimes I joked about her going with other men when I am not there.

I was with her last weekend, and left the city and was to come back and see her Sunday and Monday. I knew she had plans to be with someone on Friday and Saturday. as I was going to come back early, but she told me she had plans. When I came back she would not answer my sms or calls. she never did this before.

Finally she answered me, and said she was still with the man. and she told me she was hurt very much by those remarks I made in the past about her getting money from other men.

WTF? just like that?

We had many open discussions in the past. and she never mentioned this. is it just an excuse? how to I get into her head?

I guess I went to far getting to attached to her. but really have enjoyed all my time with her. makes travelling to China much more fun.

[FreebieFan]

Need some help. how to understand Filipino girls.

I am posting this here, as maybe some of you have some advice, even though I am seeing this girl in China.

I have been seeing a Filipino in China for 1 year now. and we developed a very nice relationship. I help her out in many ways.

Although she is well educated (college, worked in Dubai for awhile.) When I am not around, I know she is a working girl. (that is how I first met her). and sometimes I joked about her going with other men when I am not there.

I was with her last weekend, and left the city and was to come back and see her Sunday and Monday. I knew she had plans to be with someone on Friday and Saturday. as I was going to come back early, but she told me she had plans. When I came back she would not answer my sms or calls. she never did this before.

Finally she answered me, and said she was still with the man. and she told me she was hurt very much by those remarks I made in the past about her getting money from other men.

WTF? just like that?

We had many open discussions in the past. and she never mentioned this. is it just an excuse? how to I get into her head?

I guess I went to far getting to attached to her. but really have enjoyed all my time with her. makes travelling to China much more fun.I dont think theres a man alive woh TRULY understands Filipinas.

Been married to one for years and bonked and been with hundreds. but every now and then something happens that makes you relaise that you don't ever know their mentality totally. But sometimes when they make it quirly it makes it interesting.

[GoodEnough]

I've been here now for six years, and if I've learned anything at all it's that none of us will ever know, or at least will never be able to understand fully what's going on inside the heads of Filipinas. There are only two generalizations I've heard that are true more often than not.

First, many Filipinas are not very concerned with thinking about longer-term consequences. They tend to "seize the moment," and to milk it for momentary gain without worrying about whether their actions will have negative future ramifications. So Mark17, you tell her you're coming back, but that's in the future, and this guy (and whatever he can give her) are in the present, and the present is her only concern. I've often joked here that long-term planning for Filipinos is wondering what to have to dinner while eating lunch.

Second, as a long-time resident of the Philippines once told me, "there's no such thing as 'it's not personal.' Here, everything is personal." That being the case, you may have, without realizing it, offended her. Of course, rather than tell you or confront the situation, she'll internalize everything and make you suffer for a while.

My advice would be to ignore the situation and to ignore her, at least for a while.

GE

[ManonsanBoy]

Need some help. how to understand Filipino girls.



Although she is well educated (college, worked in Dubai for awhile.) When I am not around, I know she is a working girl. (that is how I first met her). and sometimes I joked about her going with other men when I am not there.

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Working girls are always working girls.......................sometimes it hurts but that is the way it is

[Big Johnson2]

First, many Filipinas are not very concerned with thinking about longer-term consequences. They tend to "seize the moment," and to milk it for momentary gain without worrying about whether their actions will have negative future ramifications. So Mark17, you tell her you're coming back, but that's in the future, and this guy (and whatever he can give her) are in the present, and the present is her only concern. I've often joked here that long-term planning for Filipinos is wondering what to have to dinner while eating lunch.
GE

Is fidelity possible or will they always just seize the opportunity and cheat? A friend of mine had a GF who at was a door girl at a bar who he supported but didn't spend every night with her. At 9PM told him she loved him and by 10PM she was out bar fined with some other guy. She could give no reason why she did it so he dumped her.

My GF lives in the provinces now. I support her. She swears she she has no desire for anyone else. Can I ever expect fidelity from her, or are Filipinas just opportunists that will blow a long term relationship for 30 minutes of fun? All I ever hear about is wives or husbands cheating on their spouses when their spouse is not around. Can a Filipina make a good GF or wife who would not cheat or is infidelity just part of their culture?

[Chocha Monger]

Is fidelity possible or will they always just seize the opportunity and cheat? A friend of mine had a GF who at was a door girl at a bar who he supported but didn't spend every night with her. At 9PM told him she loved him and by 10PM she was out bar fined with some other guy. She could give no reason why she did it so he dumped her.

My GF lives in the provinces now. I support her. She swears she she has no desire for anyone else. Can I ever expect fidelity from her, or are Filipinas just opportunists that will blow a long term relationship for 30 minutes of fun? All I ever hear about is wives or husbands cheating on their spouses when their spouse is not around. Can a Filipina make a good GF or wife who would not cheat or is infidelity just part of their culture?
Dear Big Johnson,

After reading your rhetorical questions I think you already know the answers. If it takes a village to raise a child, it takes a province to keep a Filipina faithful. Don't feed them. Fuck them!

Regards,
CM

P.S. Then fuck them some more.

[KongKing]

Need some help. how to understand Filipino girls.
This reminds me of the (adapted) story when an ISG monger was deep in prayer on the side of Fields Ave Angeles City when the clouds opened above his head and in a booming voice the Lord said "Because you have tried to be faithful to me in many ways I will grant you one wish".

The monger thought carefully and said "I have a few appointments lined up in Cebu and I would love to be able to drive down there without all the hastle of taxi drivers and Philippines airlines. Can you build me a bridge to Cebu so I can drive there and keep my appointments?"

The Lord said "Hang on a sec, your request is very materialistic, and not too easy either. Think of the logistics, the techtonic plates, the depth of the water, the concrete and steel that would be needed! I can do it but it is pretty hard to justify on any sensible cost/benefit basis just for you to keep a few appointments. Why don't you take a little more time, think about it a bit more and maybe come up with a wish more worthy of both of us."

The monger (whose name I will protect) thought about it a long time. Finally he said. "Lord, I have been coming to the Phils a long time, The local Filipina are beautiful and loving, but I can't understand them 'what they are and who they are'. They have no idea of time, and gez, some of them can be butterflies! I want to know what makes them tick, what they feel inside, what they are thinking, why they express love when I havent even met them, and when I do love them they are looking to shoot out the door. I would really like to know them better and understand them."

After a few minutes God said, "You want two lanes or four lanes on that bridge to Cebu?"

[Starchild2012]

Just go to Phils, have a good time there. And don't ever commit yourself.

Samar

Wow....What an irony? just go to PH and have a good time and never commit..in essence what you are saying is sleep with 100 girls and lie to every single one of them that she is the one and you are a good guy and not a butterfly.

Personally, i have lied more than a filipina to get laid and i don't know how it is possible as you mention to have a good time and not lie at the same time ?

We lie as soon as we land in nino Aquino international airport, is there any other way to have fun with 100 girls month after month and not lying, keeping a straight face...can we go to a bar even with a million dollar and flash it that i'm a butterfly but i never lie ? i just can't get around that.

We are not robots, questions come up, admit it that you will be lying more than a filipina and trust me things will be much better that way around instead on falling into the trap called lier versus good guy thing.

Well, if your definition of having fun is not sleeping with 100 girls then lying is not for you...i take my words back..good luck

[Starchild2012]

LOL!

And many in the west (mostly bankers and financial advisers) would much rather take your Taxpayer money than go work for themselves. I see extreme laziness based on Western Standards - go to expensive restaurants in the financial districts of the world and see how hard they work. LOL.

I hear that "I can't take that job because it doesn't pay enough" in a lot of European countries - plenty of options to study for free well into the thirties without student loans, plenty of unemployment benefits. Lots of people letting US Taxpayers work themselves silly instead of working themselves.

In the west we are lucky that we had an industrial revolution two hundred years ago that gave us a head start....but the rest of the world is catching up - because WE are lazier than they are.


Well said, it amazes me how soon we forget our background as soon as we land in PH.....somehow, we feel, we have been giving the authority to rule here and no one should lie to us and that everything should be perfect etc...ha

I don't know why people get a false sense of pride when they are coming from west, they have nothing going for them, low population growth, higher crime rate, bitchy women, drugs, inflation, crumbling economy, corrupt government, china up in their a*ss taking all there jobs.

Get this....They will suck up the billions of bail out tax payers money handed out to corrupt banks in the open day light, flashed across the world, plain fu*cking robbery in day light by banksters and they will just whine and complain....We are talking here about ones own hard earned money taken literally in front of their own f*ucking eyes and given to banks and nay nothing..just ranting and complaining.

And when these same folks land in the PH or Asia...they turn their color and complain left and right...ohh how corrupt they are...women lie, taxi over charge, roads are not clean, is it safe out here....etc etc....at a time, when a while ago...they got screwed by their own people..that is ok with them but not the few dollars they get short changed now and then...which is common in every part of the world even with that...they get a better deal here than they would back in their own country.

Its just crazy

[Bigcebu]

I don't know why people get a false sense of pride when they are coming from west, they have nothing going for them, low population growth, higher crime rate, bitchy women, drugs, inflation, crumbling economy, corrupt government, china up in their a*ss taking all there jobs.Low population growth - is that negative?? Is it better to get kinds and don't know how to take care of them?

Higher crime - Is that a joke? Whole Europe is far safer then the Philippines, even the US are safer.

Drugs - How many people take shabu in the western world and how many do in the Philippines? How many Alcoholics are in the Philippines and how many are in Europe (except eastern Europe)?

Inflation - You can't be serious. http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:World_Inflation_rate_2007.PNG&filetimestamp=20090425092705

Corrupt government - Again, are you serious???? http://media.transparency.org/imaps/cpi2009/

Jobs - They have never been in the Philippines and it will be hard for China to steel them.

Did you drink today?

[Samar 2009]

Bl5. Point well taken, however there is no need to justify my actions to anyone or any of the girls. I always make it a point not to barfine more than one girl from the same bar in order not to give the impression that I am a butterfly. He. He. And believe me that I never tell them stories and promise them anything to get them perfoming. A white lie once in a while really doesn't hurt anyone.

Regarding commitment, I commit myself once I have payed the barfine and a handsome tip in the morning. And they commit themselves by providing sexual pleasure. I call the colors the way I see them and never promised them marriage in order for me to get laid.

Yes BL5, I consider myself as a good guy, because I look after the girls that I am with for the duration of my trip.

I am not sure if you know that, but do you know that a great majority of these girls have a pinoy BF which they support and all their bad habits, like drinking, gambling, etc?. And also some of the girls go to videoke bars full of pinoys, buying them drinks and at the end of the night they sleep with them for nothing? Just for the shear pleasure of getting bonked by a low life. Can you tell me who's lying now.

Your critisism is well taken BL 5 and everyone has his own opinion regarding financial transactions.

I wish you also good luck in your ventures.

Samar.


Wow. What an irony? Just go to PH and have a good time and never commit. In essence what you are saying is sleep with 100 girls and lie to every single one of them that she is the one and you are a good guy and not a butterfly.

Personally, I have lied more than a filipina to get laid and I don't know how it is possible as you mention to have a good time and not lie at the same time?

We lie as soon as we land in nino Aquino international airport, is there any other way to have fun with 100 girls month after month and not lying, keeping a straight face. Can we go to a bar even with a million dollar and flash it that I'm a butterfly but I never lie? I just can't get around that.

We are not robots, questions come up, admit it that you will be lying more than a filipina and trust me things will be much better that way around instead on falling into the trap called lier versus good guy thing.

Well, if your definition of having fun is not sleeping with 100 girls then lying is not for you. I take my words back. Good luck

[FreebieFan]

Wow. What an irony? Just go to PH and have a good time and never commit. In essence what you are saying is sleep with 100 girls and lie to every single one of them that she is the one and you are a good guy and not a butterfly.

Personally, I have lied more than a filipina to get laid and I don't know how it is possible as you mention to have a good time and not lie at the same time?

We lie as soon as we land in nino Aquino international airport, is there any other way to have fun with 100 girls month after month and not lying, keeping a straight face. Can we go to a bar even with a million dollar and flash it that I'm a butterfly but I never lie? I just can't get around that.

We are not robots, questions come up, admit it that you will be lying more than a filipina and trust me things will be much better that way around instead on falling into the trap called lier versus good guy thing.

Well, if your definition of having fun is not sleeping with 100 girls then lying is not for you. I take my words back. Good luck100% right.

They ask me, "where are you honey " Answer, I'm in a business meeting. (In Sogo)

They ask me " Can I see you tonghit ". Sorry baby, my boss arriving and have a meeting with him. (meaning I'm seeing another one)

They say " honey, you said we could be together all day, who you have to leave so soon after sex" I reply, need to get my door fixed, typhoon damaged it. (meaning I'm bored with you. Want to hunt a new one.

They say "Will I see you again" I say Of course, you are hot and would love to see you again. (meaning thanks honey, but you and me will never be naked in same room again.

I suspect these are amongst the most common if the leis we all tell.

[Mark17]

This reminds me of the (adapted) story when an ISG monger was deep in prayer on the side of Fields Ave Angeles City when the clouds opened above his head and in a booming voice the Lord said "Because you have tried to be faithful to me in many ways I will grant you one wish".

The monger thought carefully and said "I have a few appointments lined up in Cebu and I would love to be able to drive down there without all the hastle of taxi drivers and Philippines airlines. Can you build me a bridge to Cebu so I can drive there and keep my appointments? "

The Lord said "Hang on a sec, your request is very materialistic, and not too easy either. Think of the logistics, the techtonic plates, the depth of the water, the concrete and steel that would be needed! I can do it but it is pretty hard to justify on any sensible cost/benefit basis just for you to keep a few appointments. Why don't you take a little more time, think about it a bit more and maybe come up with a wish more worthy of both of us. "

The monger (whose name I will protect) thought about it a long time. Finally he said. "Lord, I have been coming to the Phils a long time, The local Filipina are beautiful and loving, but I can't understand them 'what they are and who they are'. They have no idea of time, and gez, some of them can be butterflies! I want to know what makes them tick, what they feel inside, what they are thinking, why they express love when I haven't even met them, and when I do love them they are looking to shoot out the door. I would really like to know them better and understand them. "

After a few minutes God said, "You want two lanes or four lanes on that bridge to Cebu? "Point well taken. I got things worked out for now. But figure there will be another event. But I won't be caught by surprise next time.

[Rubberyman]

Low population growth - is that negative?? Is it better to get kinds and don't know how to take care of them?

Higher crime - Is that a joke? Whole Europe is far safer then the Philippines, even the US are safer.

Drugs - How many people take shabu in the western world and how many do in the Philippines? How many Alcoholics are in the Philippines and how many are in Europe (except eastern Europe)?

Inflation - You can't be serious. http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:World_Inflation_rate_2007.PNG&filetimestamp=20090425092705

Corrupt government - Again, are you serious???? http://media.transparency.org/imaps/cpi2009/

Jobs - They have never been in the Philippines and it will be hard for China to steel them.

Did you drink today?


And yet, the worst day I ever had in the Phils is better than the best day I had anywhere else. It is instructive for expats especially to go back to their own countries every now and again to remind themselves why they came to the Phils (or LoS etc etc). Spend a couple of weeks back home where the Fat White Cows expect you to fall over in gratitude after you have spent a fortune in time and money for a very very average shag, and in hotels that charge twice as much for half as much. Most people then re-evaluate their thoughts. Of course if, after going back to the FWCs at home, you still think it is better there, you can stay and be happy.

[Starchild2012]

Bl5. Point well taken, however there is no need to justify my actions to anyone or any of the girls. I always make it a point not to barfine more than one girl from the same bar in order not to give the impression that I am a butterfly. He. He. And believe me that I never tell them stories and promise them anything to get them perfoming. A white lie once in a while really doesn't hurt anyone.


Samar.

Lie is still a lie, white or black...I'm great with what you do, i do the same all the time, my only problem is when we mongers lie it is a white lie, but when the bar girls do something similar.. we say no she is a liar.

[Samar 2009]

Bl5. Point well taken. However I came across a few mongers in my trips, which they promised the girl marriage and a ticket out of the country, in order for them to get the girl perform better or to give up her cherry if she's a cherry girl. That's a BLACK lie. Also I came across a girl who used to work in a bar in Angeles and eventually a monger fell in love with her, married her and pulled out of the bar, he sent her to live in her province and he was and is supporting her and her immediate family and he visits her twice a year but the said girl is working at this cyber cafe in the province, chatting foreigners and also has a pinoy BF of course without his knowledge. That's a BLACK lie.

On the other hand if the girl tells you that she loves you and tells the same story to another monger in order to get a barfine for the night. That's a WHITE lie. And visa-versa. That's the difference.

Just be happy and enjoy life without hurting anyone. LIVE THE DREAM.

Samar


Lie is still a lie, white or black...I'm great with what you do, i do the same all the time, my only problem is when we mongers lie it is a white lie, but when the bar girls do something similar.. we say no she is a liar.

[Warbucks]

Bl5. Point well taken. However I came across a few mongers in my trips, which they promised the girl marriage and a ticket out of the country, in order for them to get the girl perform better or to give up her cherry if she's a cherry girl. That's a BLACK lie.

I think we have all told the girls bullshit to get in their pants at point or another. Girls tell us bullshit to get in our wallets. You give them a baby then have to support them for 18 years. Bullshit?

In life people will hurt you and you will hurt people.

[Samar 2009]

Point well taken Warbucks. But believe me the old mighty dollar delivers the goods in the majority of time.

Regarding that in life people will hurt you and you will hurt people. I couldn't agree more with you. But I am trying not to hurt people as much as I can and have at least a bearable life until our visa on this planet earth expires on a good note.

Take care,

Samar


I think we have all told the girls bullshit to get in their pants at point or another. Girls tell us bullshit to get in our wallets. You give them a baby then have to support them for 18 years. Bullshit?

In life people will hurt you and you will hurt people.

[Rubberyman]

Went out with the BF and another board member and his BF last night.

I ordered teh drinks and went back to the normally affectionate BF and found her rigid/bristling with rage.

On asking the question why, she says that one of the other customers in the place Blueberry Hill in AC was married to a friend of hers recently. The friend is back in the province for a couple of days, and her friend's husband was NOT ALONE.

Couple of points - a perfect example of telvision, telephone, telafilipina - that guy is going to get the pointy end of some Filipina anger in a day or two. My BF even wanted the other board member with us to photograph the errant husband.

Second point is more a question:

Will the filipina wife:

a) Explode with jealousy
b) Screw every pinoy in miles in retaliation
c) Take everything out of the joint acount and spend it on herself and relatives
d) Cut off his penis in the middle of the night
e) All of the above?


If you were at Blueberry Hill in AC last night with someone other than your Asawa (From Leyte) you now have some small time to make up a convincing excuse for being there - this information is well worth the subscription to the Board. Di ba? :) Good Luck, and check out the penis replacement microsurgery skills at the local hospital.

[Wicked Roger]

Couple of points - a perfect example of telvision, telephone, telafilipina - that guy is going to get the pointy end of some Filipina anger in a day or two. My BF even wanted the other board member with us to photograph the errant husband.


Nice FR and very funny and closer to the truth than many think

A good friend is shacked up with an ex BG and as he goes around Makati with me he gets text messages from her which points to some serious spies on the ground. Within minutes of us in High Heels, he got a message saying why was this girl sitting in his lap. This was not just one bar it was the 8 we visited that night.....I said try EDSA but she knows girls there also!

But....this made her more determined to show him she was the best...:) So he would do this to make sure his shagging was super charged...good strategy IMHO

[Big Johnson2]

What is the Name of that Book that has been recommended several times by members on this site to other members who have started believing Filipina Bar Girls and start falling in love. It is about a western man who ruins his life because he is in love with Thai bar girl. The story is told from several people's eyes. The bar is girl is married, and of course the Western man doesn't know this. A policeman gives an expose of the bar girl life. The author usually writes spy novels. I had found it on Amazon but didn't mark it. Please someone give me the name of this book again so I can read it. Also if you know any additional mandatory reading pleas let me know!

[Chocha Monger]

What is the Name of that Book that has been recommended several times by members on this site to other members who have started believing Filipina Bar Girls and start falling in love. It is about a western man who ruins his life because he is in love with Thai bar girl. The story is told from several people's eyes. The bar is girl is married, and of course the Western man doesn't know this. A policeman gives an expose of the bar girl life. The author usually writes spy novels. I had found it on Amazon but didn't mark it. Please someone give me the name of this book again so I can read it. Also if you know any additional mandatory reading pleas let me know!
http://books.google.com/books?id=EkPEu76Me1cC&dq=%22Private+Dancer%22&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=qiIUS76VKceVtgeJm-SsCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CB4Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Also read the following books by Neil Hutchison:

Money Number One

Money Still Number One

The Fool Is Back!
http://www.dcothai.com/product_info.php?products_id=522

A Fool In Paradise

[FreebieFan]

A good friend is shacked up with an ex BG and as he goes around Makati with me he gets text messages from her which points to some serious spies on the ground. Within minutes of us in High Heels, he got a message saying why was this girl sitting in his lap. This was not just one bar it was the 8 we visited that night. I said try EDSA but she knows girls there also!

IMHOVery very common. I have a friend in high heels and one in montana. They are side by side location wise.

Last trip I'm in High Heels and get sms from my Montana friend. " when are you coming to Montana baby".

I go to Montana. Get sms from High Heels baby " you said you go home. Why you go to Montana? ".

There are no secrets in that part of the world.

[ManonsanBoy]

I left nonetheless..........and gave her 1000 USD and her mother 10,000P. She did not go back to AC........at Cebu airport, she said you know where to find me. I said I may not come back...........she says you will be and smiled. I will bear you a son..........I said I had a vasectomy.........she says we can bring up her son.........

I can live like an Emperor let alone a king in Moalboal. 5000 USD a month is not an issue with me. See what happens when middle age men realise they are getting on............and begin wondering


I went back unannounced. She was not there. She had gone somewhere. Such is life.

[Chocha Monger]

I went back unannounced. She was not there. She had gone somewhere. Such is life.
Don't chase her. Replace her. You're a monger and she is a ho. It was never going to work out anyway. These girls rent the square inches of real estate between their legs. Once you stop paying they'll stop playing. When she burns out she'll find a sucker who doesn't know she sold ass, get married and have a normal life. Face it. Mongering is a lonely game without any love, emotions or commitments.

[Liberty99]

I want to make a investigation around one girl friend that I have close to Lucena.

I want to check if she has a local bf.

Did one of you this kind of investigation with a local Private Investigators or detectives?

I aske one and they proposed me this kind of service, but with a price of 250$ to 500$

If anyone can advise a good and not to expensive detective, I will appreciate.

[Warbucks]

This was taken from another forum.....I thought it was a good read.

So you’ve met your dream Filipina, she’s fun, young sexy, caring, outstanding in bed, takes real good care of you, she’s everything you’ve dreamed of after having suffered through a prior marriage or relationship with a western women. Now you’ve made the decision to take her back to your western home and try a new life.

I married a bargirl and I would like to shed some advice on the things I went through before, during and after. EVERYONE has a different story or type of girl, and not all filipina’s are the same. I just want to shed some light on what some of you can possibly expect. I married my wife in the PI and took her back to the states.

In the beginning as with all new relationships, everything is great, no fights, all is happy, lots of wild sex, and exotic trips. After you’ve made that choice you have to start to support her in-between trips. This is your first step in making a solid commitment. Ranges of support vary from 10000P a month to what I’ve heard up to 50000P a month (to much in my opinion) but anyway.

So now you must support her and start the paperwork which can’t be done all in one trip. It took me 2 round trip flights to complete the paperwork, and she had to drive to manila and do other stuff, passports, ID’s, ect. So on top of all the plane tickets, supporting, and funding trips to manila, I would say this period of waiting and processing with plane tickets, ect.. cost me about $8,000 to $10,000 and took 4 months.

Planning and funding the wedding is next, dress, rings, all the food, and family that want’s to meet you. Do you want any of YOUR family there? I did it without the family, which I found out later was hurtful to my side of the family, but hey I was in love. Expect to pay ALL of the wedding day stuff, pic’s, friends visiting, all of it. But it can be done cheaply if you plan it right. Cost me $800, but could easily be more.

Now you have to fly back and wait for the visa to arrive. It took about 6 months from start to finish before she actually stepped foot on American soil. Then you need to ask yourself. Was spending her money wisely? Did she go back to the bars and work while I was gone? Was there a Filipino boyfriend on the side? Is she using me to get to the states? All this goes through you head up until she arrives. Which could make or break it, and wasted all that money.

Now your beauty has arrived in the states, all that time waiting is finally over, and the fun part can begin. This is actually when for me the hardest part started. Don’t forget the Price of visa fee’s, and the cost of flying her to the states one way. Total cost by now for me was around $15,000.

She arrives, I’m sure most of you are like me and live in the suburbs and have normal jobs that we have go to. Take a minute and study the Filipina culture. They have trikes, jeepneys, close neighbors, karaoke bars, little food markets within walking distance, family, friends, and everything close.

Now your vacation is out and you have to go to work to support this new family. Well now she’s stuck, at home, alone. No car, no job, missing her family, and missing tagalog movies. Our society is based around having things in our house, big TV’s, many channels. She will be used to going out a lot and being social. Here in the states it’s hard for them to adjust at first.

Fighting off this initial period of boredom is very hard. You go through lots of phone cards calling home, and sending money to her family that she is worried about. I’m not a rich guy, but I do alright. There is a dilemma where you want to save to get her a car, and do stuff but sending a monthly budget of money to her family is cutting into that. The epic battle of saving money for your life here, or sending money to a Filipino family begins.

She only arrived with two suitcases. Do you have room in your closet for all her clothes, makeup, and girly things? You will soon be buying a huge amount of girl stuff, hair dryers, hair curlers, makeup stands, make up. Think about all the stuff you have in your closet over the years. She only came with two suitcases and has no job, it’s up to you to get her all the things she needs in her new life. This is expensive trust me. Going to malls is costly, and keep in mind you just spent almost $15,000 up until now just to get her their with you, and she wants to send money to her family too.

How about driving? Does she know about insurance? She asked me, “Why do I have to pay insurance if I never plan to get in an accident?” Then she asks, “If I never get in an accident why don’t I get that car insurance money back at the end of the year?” She isn’t stupid, she just was never taught about all those things we learn in our school system. There is a ton of information we know that they don’t that you have to know to live in a western society. And you have to teach her all this, everything.

Back to driving, do you have two cars? Can you afford to have two car payments, two car insurances, and two gas pump bills? In order for her to work she must have a car to drive right? Do you co-sign for her car loan? Does she need her own credit card? Does she understand the rules of credit and credit history? All these things plagued me as an average income person, and struggled to get her to understand.

Now she has a job, has a car, now she needs some friend’s right. So naturally you want her to have some Filipina friends to make her feel welcome and comfortable. Probably your Filipina is young or younger, there are many older filipina’s in the states from when the US military had permanent bases there in the Philippines. Since most of those bases closed, all the girls now are in their late 30’s early 40’s. Filipina’s are competitive. I found that most older filipina’s were jealous or hateful of my wives youth and beauty and they would put her down or make her feel bad because they had more material things than she did. They would brag about their collections of things in their house, and always emphasize the price of what they paid or their husband would pay. She felt she needed/wanted or had to have what they had to be equal.

I found most Filipina friends to be more of an enemy than a friend. Besides the fact of putting her down, they would tell her info on things she can do and rights she has here in the states. For example, how to get a credit card without my permission. Rights she has if we were to get divorced. All this was going on in the first weeks of our marriage!!! What the fuck right!!! She got filled with all kinds of negative info from those girls. So be careful when it comes to Filipina friends.

Now you have age difference, I was 25 and she was 18, 7 years. I know many of you on this board have larger age gaps. Which is fine, I never considered age a factor. Now many of you live or do live near major cities. Be careful of letting them go to clubs/disco’s. Filipina’s love nightlife and a few trips to a club and lots of attention from younger American guys will give her the illusion of power to replace you. See she doesn’t know that most guys in that club are just giving her lip service and only want to fuck her. She is used to Filipino guys, and not used to being treated so good at a club. Here is where you can lose her, the transfer of power that western women have is coming to her. She will watch and see what other western/white women do and how our society gives women more power.

The sweet, do everything for you Filipina, will start to become slowly westernized. The very reason you married her was to avoid the whole western women bullshit right. This will never happen to my Filipina, she’s different, and she won’t change right? Fella’s there are a few cases, but for the most part they all will change. Whether that is bad or good is for each man to decide. As for me, I love filipina’s in their natural state in the Philippines. I feel they become too corrupted here in the states, and they lose what drew me to them in the first place.

Listen, every guy here and every Filipina is different. But we will all share some of the same problems along the way. For me it was almost like adopting a child, I had to do everything from teaching, to explaining culture, driver training, entertainer, provider, everything. It’s a huge undertaking that looks good and fun at the beginning. I hope and like to see marriages with filipina’s work out. Some do some don’t. I hope I’ve shed some points for you guys that are about to take the plunge to think about, and prepare yourself for.

There are ton’s of more examples I can give, but I think I made my point. For me in the end, my wife got very corrupted by her friends, and western living, racked up credit debt. And eventually we divorced. But don’t let this discourage any of you. Filipina’s are the best, I just got unlucky or wasn’t prepared for the full marriage thing, had we lived in the PI it would have been way easier.

Good luck with any of you getting married, just be prepared!!!

[Frank4220]

I want to make a investigation around one girl friend that I have close to Lucena.

I want to check if she has a local bf.

Did one of you this kind of investigation with a local Private Investigators or detectives?

I aske one and they proposed me this kind of service, but with a price of 250$ to 500$

If anyone can advise a good and not to expensive detective, I will appreciate.It is is so common here that the the girls have filipino bf on the side. Especially girls where the western guy is sending them loads of cash each month,to have some dead beat unemployed filipino bum living with them.
From my conversations with a lot of college or bar girls, 70% is a number I hear often.

Why not I suppose, they are young and young girls like young lovers.
If you are already suspecting that then go with your gut feeling.

[Robbaf]

This was taken from another forum.....I thought it was a good read.
Thanks WB for posting, but I have to say that this is an example of anyone getting married to the wrong person. This same story happened to me with my ex-wife and she was American from Tennessee. I was 8 years older (31 and 23) and and it lasted three years, but really it was over in a month.

In some ways I am happy that it happened, because it will be a cold day in hell before I marry again.

Robb

[Questor 55]

This was taken from another forum. I thought it was a good read.Wow! This report on importing your filipina, is extremely informative and very accurate. Age, ethnic values, and cultural differences might seem minor when you are off in wonderland with your honeyko, but you are likely importing a lot more than you bargained for when your bring her back home.

If you don't care for the attitudes of typical American women, then it is incumbent upon you NOT to add more raw material to the mix!

[Brymor]

This was taken from another forum.....I thought it was a good read.

Guys I had a good friend living in Northern Thailand. He was English very wealthy in his 70's and married to the most beautiful local girl aged 40 for over 10 years. Money was not a problem for him and he had settled down, bought a large farm for his wife, large house and spent his days being a good husband, playing golf and his wife doted on him.
I asked him had he ever taken his wife to back home to England and he looked at me with a wry smile and said "Never it will only ruin her" I guess the same principle can be applied all over Asia where older guys marry younger women. Problems can still arise where the age difference is not great but I think age gaps can exacerbate problems once the girl returns to your own country.
Personally speaking, if I ever marry a Filipina it will be because I want to settle down with her in the Philippines and not expose her to the temptations and negativity of Western culture and the heartbreak and financial damage that could potentially lead to. That said there are real success stories where guys have returned to their own country with their new wife, but I think the failures outweigh the success stories

[Rubberyman]

(snip)
I asked him had he ever taken his wife to back home to England and he looked at me with a wry smile and said "Never it will only ruin her" I guess the same principle can be applied all over Asia where older guys marry younger women.

(snip)

Personally speaking, if I ever marry a Filipina it will be because I want to settle down with her in the Philippines and not expose her to the temptations and negativity of Western culture and the heartbreak and financial damage that could potentially lead to. That said there are real success stories where guys have returned to their own country with their new wife, but I think the failures outweigh the success stories

Absolutely right. And as the original post pointed out they will miss their own social circle, chatting with friends, visiting the relations etc etc. So going overseas is certainly a wrench for them in a lot of ways.

I have always thought that the best strategy for a western male is:

Stay single while you are young - you will be able to monger round the world and still save heaps of money compared to being married. Even if you pay for high class hookers at home, it is still cheaper than being married and raising a brood of kids who will probably hate you anyway when you eventually split with the fat white cow you married. You ought to be able to easily accumulate fucks with over a thousand different women by the time you get to fifty. (That's only 35 or so bimbos a year, so even once a week with a hooker from twenty to fifty and a trip to the Phils makes that a cinch).

Then when you have gotten to middle age but saved enough money to retire (because you DIDN'T get married, you are now rich), move to the Phils or Thailand - leave your money AT HOME in the west, and live off your investments. Tie them up so you can't get them out and have them scammed off you.

Fuck, drink, amuse yourself stupid for twenty years or so with multiple young and willing partners. Do everything you ever fantasized about and more...with pictures. :) Send pix home to your married friends just to p1$$ them off. If you can't do another thousand different women by the time you get to seventy - you aren't trying hard enough.

Then when you are in your seventies - marry and have kids. :) The wife and kids will look after you, and when you finally kark it, they will have enough money to go on with invested in the west.

Everyone wins - except the fat white cows back home...and my heart pumps p1$$ for them. LOL.

But do that in the Phils or Thailand (or wherever), because by this time you are somewhat used to their culture.

I am almost now at the Fuck, drink and amuse myself stage, and well toward the second thousand.

Life is good. Di ba?

[Starchild2012]

Absolutely right. And as the original post pointed out they will miss their own social circle, chatting with friends, visiting the relations etc etc. So going overseas is certainly a wrench for them in a lot of ways.



Good points. I'm not from west, but i agree. I think what you said applies to every monger on earth. The best thing is... it is soo much easier to do and follow than anything that society throws at you.

I think ignorance is bliss holds only for a while then nightmare begins...knowledge and info like this will last forever.

[Ben2]

This was taken from another forum.....I thought it was a good read.
Then you need to ask yourself. Was spending her money wisely? Did she go back to the bars and work while I was gone? Was there a Filipino boyfriend on the side? Is she using me to get to the states? All this goes through you head up until she arrives. Which could make or break it, and wasted all that money..[/QUOTE]

I think many of these gals are doing the same thing we are...mongering! Come on now, two can play that game! You can take the gal from the bar, but you can't take the bar/club scene, etc. from the gal. We all know of horror stories from folks getting divorced, taken to the cleaners, etc. It can be an expensive piece of ass at times! Just remember, you might have a great looking woman, beauty, etc...but you can bet your life that one of your friends is thinking, MILF! And they usually do! And sometimes, the gal stays stand up, meaning, some won't fuck around.

[Cunning Stunt]

Asian women are a bit like exotic butterflies; take them out of their natural habitat and their colours fade, they change and quite often become drab, sad and dull. They then often counteract their initial misery by comfort eating, put on weight and because they feel they have become unattractive, get unhappier and so starts the vicious circle that often lead to a failed marriage.

But Filipinas are slightly different in that they are natural chameleons in that they adapt and blend in almost anywhere whist never losing their national identity and love for their country. This is as described in the report of Max as posted by W. This can be good for the girl but bad for the guy as he sees his beloved sweet Pinay metamorphosise almost before his eyes into a reasonable facsimile of the dreaded westernized fat b****. It is heartbreaking.

But compromises can be reached, I can assure you. In my own case, we have simply reversed roles. I have become the token Filipino and spend much of the year in The Philippines taking care of our various joint local business interests, supervising my online business concerns and playing the philandering playboy on the side (although this is not in the job description;)) whilst the strife is UK based, has become more British than I ever was, a workaholic who constantly whines about the weather, but holds down a well paid job and is a successful businesswoman on the side and loves every minute of it. She knows that she could have an easy life in The Philippines anytime she wants but is doing what she loves …making loads of money and I am doing what I love … erm ..you can guess! And amazingly, it does works and we even get on when together (much better than we did when constantly on each others back). The idiot who first said ‘absence makes the heart grow fonder’, had a point.

If you had told me twenty years ago, where I would be today, I would have told you that you were pissed or barmy and most likely both as I would have expected to be still chasing my arse in the endless rat race that is life in the west. So marrying a Filipina is probably the second best thing I ever did in my life.

[Chocha Monger]

Asian women are a bit like exotic butterflies; take them out of their natural habitat and their colours fade, they change and quite often become drab, sad and dull. They then often counteract their initial misery by comfort eating, put on weight and because they feel they have become unattractive, get unhappier and so starts the vicious circle that often lead to a failed marriage.
I have listened to many a guy recount the terrifying experience of waking up one morning only to find himself wondering who was the fat toad that ate his slim sexy Asian doll and then took her place in bed beside him. There may be the odd exception gentlemen but if you marry a Filipina and take her back home with you this is the best you can hope for. I have friends who opted for marital bliss. They married beautiful slender women, the epitome of arm candy. Seeing these women 3 years after they were removed from their home countries they were not even shadows of their former selves. They obviously over indulged in the Asian love for pork. I didn’t know whether I should feel pity for the guys or double over in laughter at their predicament. In most cases I opted for the latter. :D

[Striker34]

I have always thought that the best strategy for a western male is:



What a great philosophy. Should be required learning in high school as well as being passed down father to son.
Wish I'd seen it so well explained a few years ago!

[Radical Guy]

My wife and I have been married for several years here in the US, and we have a very large age difference between us. She has her own car and a job now, and tells me that she is hit on by guys at work and elsewhere almost daily. She has never given me any reason to question her loyalty.

Indeed, she has made many Filipina friends here in the US, but actively rejects friendships with those she regards as "bad women, " which she defines as those who badmouth their husbands and go out to bars and discos at night. The key is making sure you find someone with a strong moral fiber and decent family.

Interestingly, on those few occasions when we have had out normal marital "spats, " she called her mom in the Philippines, who told her to stop acting like a child and to give her husband proper respect. Every time my wife would call her mom when we had an argument, she would later apologize and ask forgiveness for. Whatever.

My wife also has a 35-year-old aunt who has been in the US for about 10 years, and originally came to the US on a fiancee visa. About 5 years ago, her much-older husband had a heart attack and died. My wife's aunt works and earns a modest living, and is still very attractive. Whenever we have visited her, I noticed that she still keeps pictures of her late husband all over her apartment, and still visits her husband's gravesite every week. To this day, she still refuses to date out of respect for her late husband.

The good ones are out there, and they can still be much younger than you, but you need to make an effort to find them- and you won't find them working as bargirls.

[Ben2]

The good ones are out there, and they can still be much younger than you, but you need to make an effort to find them- and you won't find them working as bargirls.

There are good ones and bad ones and those from the P.I are no better or worse than women from other countries; it's all about up bringing, values, morals, etc. Some women are loyal and some men are loyal....but not most on both sexes!
But we all know, if you don't pay attention to your woman, another man will! And I am a firm believer that even our best friends want to fuck our wives/girlfriends! And many of our buddies play it off but if a chance comes up, they will dip into your woman if she is a MILF!

[FreebieFan]

Asian women are a bit like exotic butterflies; take them out of their natural habitat and their colours fade, they change and quite often become drab, sad and dull. They then often counteract their initial misery by comfort eating, put on weight and because they feel they have become unattractive, get unhappier and so starts the vicious circle that often lead to a failed marriage.

But Filipinas are slightly different in that they are natural chameleons in that they adapt and blend in almost anywhere whist never losing their national identity and love for their country. This is as described in the report of Max as posted by W. This can be good for the girl but bad for the guy as he sees his beloved sweet Pinay metamorphosise almost before his eyes into a reasonable facsimile of the dreaded westernized fat b****. It is heartbreaking.

But compromises can be reached, I can assure you. In my own case, we have simply reversed roles. I have become the token Filipino and spend much of the year in The Philippines taking care of our various joint local business interests, supervising my online business concerns and playing the philandering playboy on the side (although this is not in the job description.) whilst the strife is UK based, has become more British than I ever was, a workaholic who constantly whines about the weather, but holds down a well paid job and is a successful businesswoman on the side and loves every minute of it. She knows that she could have an easy life in The Philippines anytime she wants but is doing what she loves making loads of money and I am doing what I love erm. You can guess! And amazingly, it does works and we even get on when together (much better than we did when constantly on each others back). The idiot who first said 'absence makes the heart grow fonder', had a point.

If you had told me twenty years ago, where I would be today, I would have told you that you were pissed or barmy and most likely both as I would have expected to be still chasing my arse in the endless rat race that is life in the west. So marrying a Filipina is probably the second best thing I ever did in my life.Nicely written. It comes down to the fact that you have to know who you are marrying and know their " true values" assuming that you know your own true values in the first place.

I've been married for many years and have lived in many countries. My wife has managed to always find a good group of like minded Filipinas in all the countries we've lived in, and she's quickly discarded those who might be less than straight up, less than honest or those with less than solid intentions. There are great people out there in the world, we sometimes only focus on the bad, especially in these forums.

We now have a great situation where we enjoy significant material gains from my job and business interests outside of my job, with the offset that I have numerous business trips where I get the chance to play away, and regualar trips to Manila where I indulge to the max.

I'm sure that we both know that we know what goes on but we have settled into a happy peaceful situation. Marrying a good Filipina. Best thing I ever did.

[Bob Bowie]

But compromises can be reached, I can assure you. In my own case, we have simply reversed roles. I have become the token Filipino and spend much of the year in The Philippines taking care of our various joint local business interests, supervising my online business concerns and playing the philandering playboy on the side (although this is not in the job description;)) whilst the strife is UK based, has become more British than I ever was, a workaholic who constantly whines about the weather, but holds down a well paid job and is a successful businesswoman on the side and loves every minute of it. She knows that she could have an easy life in The Philippines anytime she wants but is doing what she loves …making loads of money and I am doing what I love … erm ..you can guess! And amazingly, it does works and we even get on when together (much better than we did when constantly on each others back). The idiot who first said ‘absence makes the heart grow fonder’, had a point.

If you had told me twenty years ago, where I would be today, I would have told you that you were pissed or barmy and most likely both as I would have expected to be still chasing my arse in the endless rat race that is life in the west. So marrying a Filipina is probably the second best thing I ever did in my life."

Wow C.S. you have given me me some great insight.

How is this for a plan:

I find a highly skilled nurse, marry her, and she starts making lots of money for the two of us. (no kids to screw up the plan)

Then I move to the Philippines by myself.

She then can send all the money she wants to her family in the Philippines (that would be me!).

She could also send some to her family.
It's a win/win/win situation.

If she later decides to divorcee me, I will gladly cash the alimony checks in Borakay.

[Cunning Stunt]

How is this for a plan:

I find a highly skilled nurse, marry her, and she starts making lots of money for the two of us. (no kids to screw up the plan)

Then I move to the Philippines by myself.

She then can send all the money she wants to her family in the Philippines (that would be me!).

She could also send some to her family.
It's a win/win/win situation.

If she later decides to divorcee me, I will gladly cash the alimony checks in Borakay.

LOL - yup its a dream scenario all right and even more of a cunning plan if you have your own separate healthy income so that then the wifeys money goes into setting up businesses (which in turn employ the n'er do well relatives hence getting them off your back) and buying condos which further adds to your coffers with business and rental income.

Then you really are quids in:D.

[Frank4220]

My wife and I have been married for several years here in the US, and we have a very large age difference between us. She has her own car and a job now, and tells me that she is hit on by guys at work and elsewhere almost daily. She has never given me any reason to question her loyalty.

Indeed, she has made many Filipina friends here in the US, but actively rejects friendships with those she regards as "bad women, " which she defines as those who badmouth their husbands and go out to bars and discos at night. The key is making sure you find someone with a strong moral fiber and decent family.

Interestingly, on those few occasions when we have had out normal marital "spats, " she called her mom in the Philippines, who told her to stop acting like a child and to give her husband proper respect. Every time my wife would call her mom when we had an argument, she would later apologize and ask forgiveness for. Whatever.

My wife also has a 35-year-old aunt who has been in the US for about 10 years, and originally came to the US on a fiancee visa. About 5 years ago, her much-older husband had a heart attack and died. My wife's aunt works and earns a modest living, and is still very attractive. Whenever we have visited her, I noticed that she still keeps pictures of her late husband all over her apartment, and still visits her husband's gravesite every week. To this day, she still refuses to date out of respect for her late husband.

The good ones are out there, and they can still be much younger than you, but you need to make an effort to find them- and you won't find them working as bargirls.

There are a lot of decent caring Filipinos that make excellent wives and partners, and I agree you will not find them in a bar.
Having lived in Angeles long enough to know many bar girls, I would not let them within a mile of my life. great for fun but nothing else.
I married a very attractive lady with a University degree, some money, and years of experience living abroad. She was also a virgin to boot.
Caring beyond belief, loving, supportive and a sex life that leaves me smiling daily.
I wonder why I waited so long to marry a Filipino? I have no regrets and could never return to a western lady in man pants.

[Yella Man]

I spoke to lot of foreigners when I was in CDO. I’m always interested in the stories of others. So after noticing a guy sitting alone at breakfast every morning at my hotel (I though of him as the Lonely Guy), while I shared my table with various female visitors, I finally asked him if I could join him for lunch one afternoon. Through our conversation during lunch we talked about many things. The most interesting thing that he said to me, was that he was an educator who worked for the University of Maryland who resided and worked in Japan, and he had flown to the Philippines to meet an online chat mate that he had become serious about. Unfortunately, she wasn’t that serious about him, because when he arrived, she and about seven of her family members took him out to dinner at a seafood house, and had him spend a bunch of money on dinner for everyone that he told me he had not expected to spend. On top of that, the chat mate, he said, wouldn’t even come to his hotel to spend time with him. All in all, he had know this girl for several months in an online relationship, and now felt deceived and disappointed by her behavior, thinking her actions not right after all the plans they had made together online.

I felt bad for this guy. He seemed like an intelligent, 40ish year old man with a lot of common sense, but yet he got caught up on this one girl fantasy of his and wouldn’t let it go. I invited him to go out on the town with me so I could show him how easy it was to engage women in conversation in the Philippines. All types of women from all walks of life. I even told him it would be my treat; that he wouldn’t have to spend a dime. He declined my offers, and instead chose to hang around the hotel area everyday doing not much of anything. I don’t think he got laid the whole time he was there. I also think he had financial issues and had planned his trip down to the last Peso, but was thrown for a loop when things didn’t workout according to his meticulous planning, and there he was, too prideful to admit it, being a professor and all. There are a few lessons in this story. Firstly, you never put all your eggs in one basket and think that basket incapable of falling apart. There are many beautiful women in the Philippines. Try a few on for size before you dedicate yourself to one...especially if your shopping online! Always have a backup plan. Secondly, if you have to plan your trip down to the last peso, then maybe the Philippines is not for you. Yes, it’s cheap here if you’re Filipino, and cheap here if you’re a foreigner who has adjusted their lifestyle accordingly through a lot of time and experience moving about the country, but if you’re a newbie on vacation here, you tend to spend more money than you would have anticipated. So there it is. Don’t be the Lonely Guy!

Yella Man

[Warbucks]

Yella Man,

Looking for love and or mongering while rubbing pennies or does have consequences.

[Towelboy2010]

This is inspirational and has given me hope.
Thanks to Radical Guy from Bob Reed.


My wife and I have been married for several years here in the US, and we have a very large age difference between us. She has her own car and a job now, and tells me that she is hit on by guys at work and elsewhere almost daily. She has never given me any reason to question her loyalty.

Indeed, she has made many Filipina friends here in the US, but actively rejects friendships with those she regards as "bad women, " which she defines as those who badmouth their husbands and go out to bars and discos at night. The key is making sure you find someone with a strong moral fiber and decent family.

Interestingly, on those few occasions when we have had out normal marital "spats, " she called her mom in the Philippines, who told her to stop acting like a child and to give her husband proper respect. Every time my wife would call her mom when we had an argument, she would later apologize and ask forgiveness for. Whatever.

My wife also has a 35-year-old aunt who has been in the US for about 10 years, and originally came to the US on a fiancee visa. About 5 years ago, her much-older husband had a heart attack and died. My wife's aunt works and earns a modest living, and is still very attractive. Whenever we have visited her, I noticed that she still keeps pictures of her late husband all over her apartment, and still visits her husband's gravesite every week. To this day, she still refuses to date out of respect for her late husband.

The good ones are out there, and they can still be much younger than you, but you need to make an effort to find them- and you won't find them working as bargirls.

[Ben2]

[QUOTE=Frank4220]There are a lot of decent caring Filipinos that make excellent wives and partners, and I agree you will not find them in a bar.
QUOTE]

It's not limited to the P.I.
All countries have decent women...you just have to weed through the B.S. and maybe go through a dozen women before finally settling on one.
It all depends on how hot and horny she keeps you and if she has technique!

[Yella Man]

Yella Man,

Rubbing pennies does have consequences.


One of them being that they start rubbing credit cards when the pennies are gone!

YM

[Bill Buxton]

Nicely written. It comes down to the fact that you have to know who you are marrying and know their " true values" assuming that you know your own true values in the first place.

I've been married for many years and have lived in many countries. My wife has managed to always find a good group of like minded Filipinas in all the countries we've lived in, and she's quickly discarded those who might be less than straight up, less than honest or those with less than solid intentions. There are great people out there in the world, we sometimes only focus on the bad, especially in these forums.

We now have a great situation where we enjoy significant material gains from my job and business interests outside of my job, with the offset that I have numerous business trips where I get the chance to play away, and regualar trips to Manila where I indulge to the max.

I'm sure that we both know that we know what goes on but we have settled into a happy peaceful situation. Marrying a good Filipina. Best thing I ever did.X-2 If you sort out the players you will find a keeper and its great.

[Towelboy2010]

I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.

She says she works 17 hours a day / 6 days a week as a nurse in a hospital in Manila. She has been in CA before 3 years ago, but her fiancé died before they got married.???

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket. I agreed, in fact I was overjoyed at meeting a Filipina that wasn't begging for everything.

TWO years ago, I bought the plane ticket for a girl from Hong Kong to come here and visit for a week. I paid for her whole ticket. I had the best time ever showing her the sights. Had more sex than I could handle and it was clearly money well spent. Plus it was nice to be on home turf for a change with a foreigner. Rather than walking the seedy streets of Manila.

However there are a few Red Flags are popping up.

1. Her profile on CB says age 29 based on the birth date listed. In her email she says she is 33. I asked her in chat today about the discrepancy and she says 29 & that 33 was age of her former boyfriend. Who forgets their age? This makes me uneasy as it’s the small details that make me most suspicious.
2. I asked her for her mailing address to send a card. She says don’t bother we'll see each other in person in the USA before the card arrives here. It still have no address. This is a red flag, but why not just give out a fake address if she were a scammer trying to get plane fare from me in a week?
3. Her 1st email was long - 2,000 words - and seemed very personal. There was just enough detail directed at my early correspondence therein - that it was wholly believable it was written only to me. In retrospect - with some suspicion - it could be mostly a form letter with cleverly added sentences that are of a personal nature.
4. She want to come right away. This could be someone who just wants to meet me or it could be a cleverly constructed scam to get money now and move on. I have read here in the forum that Filipinas live mostly in the present and think little of the future.

My first experience may be making me too trusting. I want this girl to come here, no doubt about that IF she is who she seems to be.

My initial thought was to tell her to buy a 1-way ticket to the US and I will buy her a 1-way ticket home here so she has to come here to get it. She says she has an open B2 tourist visa, but I don’t know what that means. The only flaw in my plan is US Immigration may require her to have a return ticket in her possession when she lands.

Does anyone know a way to buy her a ticket that I can get a refund if not used and she cannot trade in for cash?

Other thoughts, comments or ideas. I greatly appreciate the help.

Thanks!!!

[Member #3428]

I She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket. I agreed, in fact I was overjoyed at meeting a Filipina that wasn't begging for everything.

Did you see a copy of the tourist visa and her passport. If I not get a scan copy of it (say it is for looking to get ticket) then no way would I consider it.

Postage sucks in Manila, some live in squatters camps or such and they don't have much of an address even nurses at times...

She could have leave that expires and needs to use it up or she only gets leave at a certain time. Again she might have a reason to come to America at that time ie friend getting married or other thing and she'll bail as soon as she gets there.

If she has the cash for half as she says then have her western union you half the money then you buy the rest of it if you feel up for it. That's be a first, a girl WU me ;) I do not THINK they can get into the USA on a one way ticket, must be round trip.

No one can make up your mind. You had success before, it is your money, if you can pay it, you seem you want to try it and you did it before, now you are looking for reasons to back out.

Yes I would say a large number lie on the sites but there is that few % that do not lie or come clean and tell you the truth eventually. How can we tell you if this one lies or not. I have meet some great ladies on dating sites from 18 year old up to 40 year olds. Honest and trustworthy ladies.

Full Fare ticket bought by you on your credit card can only be refunded to your credit card, they can not cash it out. With airline rules now a days you used to be able to change names on tickets and such but today you can not do that (legally). Once the ticket is purchased the name on the ticket must be the person flying. I for example can not buy an open ticket from MNL to BKK or BKK to Hanoi without the girls name. If buy a full fare and the girl bails I get a refund on my CC.

Would I consider what you are thinking about doing? Personally hell no because I go there in person. But you are in a different boat. Good Luck...

[Chocha Monger]

I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.

She says she works 17 hours a day / 6 days a week as a nurse in a hospital in Manila. She has been in CA before 3 years ago, but her fiancé died before they got married.???

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket. I agreed, in fact I was overjoyed at meeting a Filipina that wasn't begging for everything.

TWO years ago, I bought the plane ticket for a girl from Hong Kong to come here and visit for a week. I paid for her whole ticket. I had the best time ever showing her the sights. Had more sex than I could handle and it was clearly money well spent. Plus it was nice to be on home turf for a change with a foreigner. Rather than walking the seedy streets of Manila.

However there are a few Red Flags are popping up.

1. Her profile on CB says age 29 based on the birth date listed. In her email she says she is 33. I asked her in chat today about the discrepancy and she says 29 & that 33 was age of her former boyfriend. Who forgets their age? This makes me uneasy as it’s the small details that make me most suspicious.
2. I asked her for her mailing address to send a card. She says don’t bother we'll see each other in person in the USA before the card arrives here. It still have no address. This is a red flag, but why not just give out a fake address if she were a scammer trying to get plane fare from me in a week?
3. Her 1st email was long - 2,000 words - and seemed very personal. There was just enough detail directed at my early correspondence therein - that it was wholly believable it was written only to me. In retrospect - with some suspicion - it could be mostly a form letter with cleverly added sentences that are of a personal nature.
4. She want to come right away. This could be someone who just wants to meet me or it could be a cleverly constructed scam to get money now and move on. I have read here in the forum that Filipinas live mostly in the present and think little of the future.

My first experience may be making me too trusting. I want this girl to come here, no doubt about that IF she is who she seems to be.

My initial thought was to tell her to buy a 1-way ticket to the US and I will buy her a 1-way ticket home here so she has to come here to get it. She says she has an open B2 tourist visa, but I don’t know what that means. The only flaw in my plan is US Immigration may require her to have a return ticket in her possession when she lands.

Does anyone know a way to buy her a ticket that I can get a refund if not used and she cannot trade in for cash?

Other thoughts, comments or ideas. I greatly appreciate the help.

Thanks!!!
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, fucks like a duck, and looks like a duck then it's probably a duck. Trust your intuition.

[GoodEnough]

Towelboy, I agree with the skepticism expressed by TansakKTV. I never heard of an "open" tourist visa? What does that mean exactly? Usually (always I think), tourist visas allows the bearer to come to the US for a specific period, and the visas always have an expiration date.

If you are going to buy her a ticket, then as Tansak suggests, charge it to a credit card and send her the eticket. If she uses it, you're in great shape, and if she doesn't the funds will be credited back to you, so at least you will not have lost any money. Under no circumstances should you send her cash. Before you do anything, you might want to have her send you a copy of the first page of her passport as well as a photo copy of the visa. You can tell her you need it in order to purchase the ticket. This will allow you to verify that she has the visa, and you can also check her age while you're at it.

The only risk for you, if you do send her a ticket, is that she uses it, but changes her travel plans from the point of entry into the US and disappears to another destination. I can't think of anything you could do to ensure that doesn't happen unless you meet her outside of passport control at her arrival point and then travel with her to wherever you reside in the US.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

GE

[Street Hound]

I never heard of an "open" tourist visa? What does that mean exactly? Usually (always I think), tourist visas allows the bearer to come to the US for a specific period, and the visas always have an expiration date.There is a multiple-entry visa, typically good for five years. The duration of each visit is determined when you arrive at your point of entry, but is usually 6 months to a year.

[Towelboy2010]

Thanks to advice from Tansak, I sent an email last night requesting her passport and visa for travel arrangements - short and sweet.

Today I get an email saying that I do not trust her so she has changed her mind and is not coming to USA now.

Some days it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Thanks for the suggestion Tansak and now I have moved on. To another nurse who DID send me her visa, passport and her nursing certificates without my having to ask. Also have a home and work phone number for her along with a phone number for her parents.

C'est la vie...the search continues.

Until we meet again.............b

[Member #3428]

To another nurse who DID send me her visa, passport and her nursing certificates without my having to ask. Also have a home and work phone number for her along with a phone number for her parents.

No offense, but be just as cautious with girls so willing to give up info as cautious to the girls not willing to give up info. Some of the scams are pretty in depth.

I can go to Recto and get a Philippines Passport (old style but how would you in USA know what a real passport (current one) looks like), plus certificates and transcripts for a few peso. Meaning illegal printed items that you can actually call and get verification of schooling from those fake transcripts.

For me and asian girls, Trust is the biggest and hardest thing to establish. They don't trust us and we should not trust them. Unfortunately many of us think and act with our little heads.

Glad this one got averted but don't let your guard down too much on others yet. Every girl wants financial security or something... I will say maybe 1% wants love. I know girls married to homosexual guys in USA just for green card, I am having sex with girls who are married and the husbands think they are so in love with them, I am actively dating (getting to be kind of serious relationship too) a girl fully sponsored by a US guy (he sees her twice a year but fully supports her schooling and life style) and having sex with a few others that are fully sponsored by Japanese or US guys etc...

The thing is with me, and I do not mind admitting this, after so many years all over SEA I know the games but at times even I get trapped and think only with my little head.

[Towelboy2010]

This crap would make the Wicked Witch of the North roll over in her grave.

Time for me to make Tansak, whoever you are, my chief of staff…lol.

Well, my friend, you called it again. The nurse from Zamboanga, in a chat today, asked me to send a laptop and money. I knew her all of three days. What the fuck is all this. Are there that many stupid men out there that would fall for this? How can these idiots possibly think this will work???

I appreciate your level head and don’t get me wrong, I am cautious or I would not have posted here for advice.
With each scam averted I get a little smarter. A big plus is I am not in this for the little head. So he is quiet on these matters.

I repurposed my ad text intro on CB to this:

SCAMMERS STAY AWAY.
I WILL NOT SEND MONEY EVER TO THE PHILIPPINES.
I WILL NOT BUY U PLANE TICKETS TO THE USA- unless we met & r engaged.
THOSE WHO WOULD ASK THIS - GO AWAY!!!
STOP WASTING MY TIME AND YOURS - FIND ANOTHER SUCKER.

I DON'T WANT SEX - Good Girls please reply.

I wonder if anyone will reply now…LOL

b

[Member #3428]

Are there that many stupid men out there that would fall for this?

Yes there are that many stupid guys, this world has no shortage of stupidity no matter the nationality


I repurposed my ad text intro on CB to this:

Don't go that far... I actually found a good number of few honest and nice girls in CB it is much better then DIA (IMHO) for finding more serious girls.

You just need to be cautious and take your time. As I think I posted elsewhere, on CB I had to invest more time into chat and such with the girls. Sure there are girls that are pro's on the site but you can easily see through them. And if you actually are posting you don't want sex will surely get every scammer out there to contact you.

Girls that jump too fast into chat with you and girls that jump too far into wanting to see you etc... are the ones to be cautious about. Go to your library and start reading up on abnormal psychology to help you in dealing with Asian ladies. :D

[Member #3428]

This crap would make the Wicked Witch of the North roll over in her grave.

Can't believe I'm going to do this.... however I gotta defend some of these girls and tell you that what you (general term not specific to yourself) waste every day these girls could live on. What the average person in EU / USA etc... do not finish eating, buy and never use, throw away, etc... could support these girls entire families.

Many girls (all over SEA) I know can fit their entire possessions inside a carry on luggage. How many of us mongers can say that?

Don't judge too harshly until you realize how they live, what they have, and what they go through. I am not condoning the scammers, cheats, and liars, but you must also keep in mind their situation as well. You can find a lady who lies a little bit at first who comes clean and truthful to you eventually. Don't sit across the ocean and judge too harshly if you do not know their entire situation or how they live or went through. I'd say 100% of the girls were screwed over royally by a local or a foreigner before so why should they trust you just because you email / chat to them.

You entered the playing field, this game has it's own rules and regulations (about -0- actually). Good Luck...

[Member #4351]

Tansak, wise words and true.

[Rubberyman]

Well, my friend, you called it again. The nurse from Zamboanga, in a chat today, asked me to send a laptop and money. I knew her all of three days. What the fuck is all this. Are there that many stupid men out there that would fall for this? How can these idiots possibly think this will work???

(snip)

I repurposed my ad text intro on CB to this:

SCAMMERS STAY AWAY.
I WILL NOT SEND MONEY EVER TO THE PHILIPPINES.
I WILL NOT BUY U PLANE TICKETS TO THE USA- unless we met & r engaged.
THOSE WHO WOULD ASK THIS - GO AWAY!!!
STOP WASTING MY TIME AND YOURS - FIND ANOTHER SUCKER.

I DON'T WANT SEX - Good Girls please reply.

I wonder if anyone will reply now…LOL

b

Well, in addtion to what Kansak posted. Another way to look at it would be the following conversation between girls in the internet cafe:

" The {insert name of guy from US etc here}, in a chat today, asked me to AGREE TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM. I knew HIM all of three days. What the fuck is all this. Are there that many stupid WOmen out there that would fall for this? How can these idiots possibly think this will work???"

In other words, there are plenty of guys who expect to arrive from the US or wherever, and have ladies jump into bed straight away...and there are women who will. So is it not reasonable to assume that there are girls who expect big $$ straight away?

Just as there are scammers and stupid people who get scammed - there are also genuine people and smart of both sexes - the question is how to separate out the scammers.

So perhaps if you see a lady post the following, you might be compatible? :)


SCAMMERS STAY AWAY.
I WILL NOT PUT OUT EVER EVEN IF YOU FLY TO THE PHILIPPINES.
I WILL NOT ACCEPT PLANE TICKETS TO THE USA- unless we met & r engaged.
THOSE WHO WOULD ASK THIS - GO AWAY!!!
STOP WASTING MY TIME AND YOURS - FIND ANOTHER SUCKER.

I WANT SEX AFTER MARRIAGE - Good GUYS please reply.

If you think that a lady posting that will do ok, then maybe yours will too. :)

What Kansak said about this being a different playing field is so true.

Trying to play a game of football without learning the rules is likely to end up with you being taken off the field on a stretcher - same outcome if you try to play this game with dating agencies and you don't know the rules.

[Towelboy2010]

It is clearly a game I don't fully understand....YET

I am trying to do the right thing with the right girl actually, but I understand and agree they've probably been scammed and lied to so many times by men, it's easy to understand the shoe on the other foot.

I appreciate all the sage advice without any real criticsm of my actions.

This was just a bad day. In this case I am 100% certain these were both scammers looking for money & they hit within hours of each other. It's really emotionally depressing.

Oh well....time to forge on.

Thanks again.




Trying to play a game of football without learning the rules is likely to end up with you being taken off the field on a stretcher - same outcome if you try to play this game with dating agencies and you don't know the rules.

[Gumby2004]

I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.If she has enough connects to obtain a US tourist visa, then she has more than enough juice to buy her own ticket. I vote scammer.

[Rubberyman]

Hi Towelboy.


I am definitely not the marrying kind myself.

However, in my travels to the Phils I have met plenty of ladies who would make very good companions, friends and wives.

So, the point I was trying to make was that there are some really really good people out there in the Phils. Honest, smart, genuine - and that's just the men!

So I was trying to make the point that it is worth while taking a step back, perhaps taking a little more time to get to know the ladies, their friends,and their families before taking any final steps.

Sometimes, you can learn so much about people by the friends they have and the family they have been brought up in.

A few hours on the internet, and in bed tells you very little imo. Take some time to enjoy life, check out the whole scene first.

As they say, 'marry in haste, repent at leisure'.

If you take the more laid back approach, try to see if you can be a friend to them and their families, see if you can enjoy the scenery and culture of the province your ladies are from. If it doesn't work out, no problem, there are many fish in the sea, move on, but you will have had some good holidays and met some nice people. If it does work out, you have not only a friend and lover in marriage, you also have friends and extended family. If you really click with them, and you think they are nice people, then, so effing what if you can give them a hand up in life, actually, you will probably want to.

A lot of Filipinos are really good to know - spend the time to look for them and you will be rewarded simply by having good friends.

Note and disclaimer: I am personally a cynic who has never ever married - but I do believe that if someone sets their mind to find that special person, then they can. I have just never bothered.

Oh, and the other thing - if you do take the time to meet the relations, friends and visit the province, guess what? A proportion of the scammers will have given you up long time - most of them are after quick returns. So the slow process is not only more fun, and more respectful of your potential future wife and her family and her culture, but also gets rid of some of the scammers on the way (not all of them, mind).

Good luck to you.

[Marconista]

@Towelboy,
I have used a more smooth way of handling this after all the initial spam, and it works for me.
I posted: he he he... NO - I DO NOT SEND MONEY TO HEAL YOUR CARABAO OR FIX THE ROOF OF YOUR HOUSE. Sorry, po.

- and now I get hit on by ladies asking me if there are girls really asking for money for their cows and roofs. And they think my profile is funny.
Its a good start for further chatting he he.

When I became member of DiA it took about 5 minutes before a girl hit on me. She was 30. I was to visit Manila within 2 weeks and she came to my hotel (she traveled abt 2 hours), called me from the lobby (all agreed upon in advance), and was naked in my bed within 20 minutes. I had promised to take her to the new Aqua Park, and did so.

he he... more power!



I repurposed my ad text intro on CB to this:

SCAMMERS STAY AWAY etc etc...

I wonder if anyone will reply now…LOL

b

[Towelboy2010]

Marco,

I hope you don't mind but I borrowed your quote for my CB profile lead-in.

Thay say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

If you do mind, I'll take it down.



@Towelboy,
I have used a more smooth way of handling this after all the initial spam, and it works for me.
I posted: he he he... NO - I DO NOT SEND MONEY TO HEAL YOUR CARABAO OR FIX THE ROOF OF YOUR HOUSE. Sorry, po.!

[Wicked Roger]

For me and asian girls, Trust is the biggest and hardest thing to establish. They don't trust us and we should not trust them. Unfortunately many of us think and act with our little heads.

I am having sex with girls who are married and the husbands think they are so in love with them, I am actively dating (getting to be kind of serious relationship too) a girl fully sponsored by a US guy (he sees her twice a year but fully supports her schooling and life style) and having sex with a few others that are fully sponsored by Japanese or US guys etc...

......but at times even I get trapped and think only with my little head.
Tansak

Trust is the right word...many really want to trust you but when they or their frioends have been left high and dry but us horny white guys. When you find that then you really get great service but it comes and goes both ways and can be in all sorts of forms.....being as naughty as me trust me means telling whcih guys they are shagging and maybe watching onc am when am not there :S but seriously it is important.

Example, I know a girl (not shagged just a friend) who met an American from Tennessee, fell in love trusted him, he came to Cebu, shagged her got her pregnant, send her cash monthly...baby was born..and then he went off radar :( Nothing....real shit IMHO. He did not attend the birth and so did not sign the birth certificate etc ...

Her trust in Americans is now rock bottom - she never trusted pinoys but now they are higher in the pond life then Americans..(fortunately I am not :))

So Filipinas do fall in love fast and trust you so remember that especially if you going to do all that I described above

As for shagging girls with sponsors...well Tansak ...that is the norm as most I have met will do it for extra cash and fun..some have actually called honeyko/moneyko while with me to say she loves him, misses him and would always be faithful :)) A turn on as well LOL (for me)

Will say nothing about the 'little head'

PS If you are the shit from Tennessee....and an ISG member...be a man!

[Member #3428]

As for shagging girls with sponsors...well Tansak ...that is the norm as most I have met will do it for extra cash and fun..some have actually called honeyko/moneyko while with me to say she loves him, misses him and would always be faithful :)) A turn on as well LOL (for me)

Will say nothing about the 'little head'

PS If you are the shit from Tennessee....and an ISG member...be a man!

Of course, they all call and chat to the guy that knows "they love only him and are good girls" while they are with me. And I am calling other girls and get calls from other girls while with them.

It is part of this trust issue. They know they can leave their phone on (allow it to ring for certain numbers like mom / husband etc...) when with me but leave the others silent. I'm shagging a girl that is being paid by other guys... I am an understanding guy.. he's buying the underware I'm ripping off so I should atleast try to be understanding and let him talk to the lady I'm banging the hell out of.

I'll admit, having a lady tied up, holding the phone talking to her "sponsor / BF / Husband" while I am penetrating her in various ways actually does make my little guy go up also. I often wish I could send these guys Xmas cards saying thanks for being so stupid to them.

And thank god I'm not from Tennessee or it could have been me... actually thank's I'm not from USA even :D

[Robbaf]

Example, I know a girl (not shagged just a friend) who met an American from Tennessee, fell in love trusted him, he came to Cebu, shagged her got her pregnant, send her cash monthly...baby was born..and then he went off radar :( Nothing....real shit IMHO. He did not attend the birth and so did not sign the birth certificate etc ...

Her trust in Americans is now rock bottom - she never trusted pinoys but now they are higher in the pond life then Americans..(fortunately I am not :))

So Filipinas do fall in love fast and trust you so remember that especially if you going to do all that I described above

As for shagging girls with sponsors...well Tansak ...that is the norm as most I have met will do it for extra cash and fun..some have actually called honeyko/moneyko while with me to say she loves him, misses him and would always be faithful :)) A turn on as well LOL (for me)

Will say nothing about the 'little head'

PS If you are the shit from Tennessee....and an ISG member...be a man!
Spot on WR and I know a girl with the same issue with a guy from Las Vegas:( She has his picture on her Friendster and I really want to post it as a wanted poster.

Robb