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IMHO must be a USA phrase as the educated guys across the Atlantic and Pacific (including Peru) maybe bemused by the term.
So I looked it up and yes means a bigger pussy ("beef flaps") in the urban definition. Something I never like to see personally let alone experience. Also refers to the bad smell of a large non tight pussy. That would definitely turn me off my dinner LOL. See the link below.
The real meaning of cooter for anyone who is interested (am sure some one is LOL) is a North American river turtle.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cooter
Now DG Iceland? Where is that? LOL.WR,
Cooter, slang for pussy, generally used in southern US. Never heard it referred to as big pussy or flaps or odor. Just plain ole "going to get me some cooter" or "got me some cooter last night". Of course there could be other regional meanings that I am not aware of.
Iceland is tongue in cooter to post #3983.
Dg8787.
Ladies from different countries have different hang ups to how you approach things, how do you smoothest ask pinays if they have a big cooter or not? I prefer it bigger than a thimble.Could you provide some examples of the approach that you use in other countries, asking a girl if she has a big vagina?
Do you believe that pinays are generally different physiologically to other asians or other ethnic groups?
Ikksman.
Mr Enternational
01-13-15, 15:03
Do you believe that pinays are generally different physiologically to other asians or other ethnic groups?There is no believing about it. Most of them are too tight. Makes for a sore dickhead. It's like someone tripled up a rubberband and started pushing and pulling it on and off your dick. I have only run across that with 1 girl in Thailand. No problem with the rest of Asians.
There is no believing about it. Most of them are too tight. Makes for a sore dickhead. It's like someone tripled up a rubberband and started pushing and pulling it on and off your dick. I have only run across that with 1 girl in Thailand. No problem with the rest of Asians.So, from your viewpoint, Pinays' vaginas are smaller and tighter than Chinese girls from say, Hunan or Zhejiang provinces? Is that correct?
Ikksman.
This is a real educating board, cooters, yep herd of them, Now if her water breaks? Shit just swim. Asian pussy sizes, Well big girls little pussy. Small girls all pussy is the way I been learned. You all done made my day. I's was explaining to my wife how english would say boiling water, Boiling a pot of water is how Americains would say it. Now she said boiling a water. But I told her them english can't talk british so you's going to get bye. Thanks for the educating boys.
Mr Enternational
01-14-15, 19:09
So, from your viewpoint, Pinays' vaginas are smaller and tighter than Chinese girls from say, Hunan or Zhejiang provinces? Is that correct?
Ikksman.Okay. Maybe I should have said the rest of Asians that I have experienced. I have only fucked 3 Chinese girls and that was in Hong Kong. I have no idea what tribe or ethnic background they were of. The same as I do not know if the Pinay were of Cebuana or Visayan ancestry. But if we are going to break it down like that then the debate would go on forever and it is likely that no member of this board has fucked someone from each state and ethnic group of neither China nor PI not to mention those of the rest of the countries in Asia in order to make a scientific comparison. But of the women of Philippines, Japan, China, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam that I have been with, Filipinas have had the smallest / tightest overall.
Radical Guy
01-15-15, 00:09
But if we are going to break it down like that then the debate would go on forever and it is likely that no member of this board has fucked someone from each state and ethnic group of neither China nor PI not to mention those of the rest of the countries in Asia in order to make a scientific comparison.I am certainly an equal opportunity fucker! LOL.
FreebieFan
01-15-15, 01:31
This is a real educating board,. But I told her them english can't talk british so you's going to get bye. Thanks for the educating boys.If only google translate wasnt banned in China, I might be able to understand the content herein.
Okay. Maybe I should have said the rest of Asians that I have experienced. I have only fucked 3 Chinese girls and that was in Hong Kong. {S N I P}I agree. I think that it would have been better to write "In my limited experience". But then I guess the post would have been fairly lightweight!
BTW, the primary point of my original post was not arguing about the size of Asian vaginas, but requesting Gorgon to illustrate how he asks Asian girls whether or not they have "big cooters".
Ikksman.
If only google translate wasnt banned in China, I might be able to understand the content herein.I rather doubt it, given the quality of the English involved.
This is a real educating board, cooters, yep herd of them, Now if her water breaks? Shit just swim. Asian pussy sizes, Well big girls little pussy. Small girls all pussy is the way I been learned. You all done made my day. I's was explaining to my wife how english would say boiling water, Boiling a pot of water is how Americains would say it. Now she said boiling a water. But I told her them english can't talk british so you's going to get bye. Thanks for the educating boys.Normally, I do not criticise or laugh at the spelling or grammar of posters, but just try and interpret the words. In this case, I think criticism is justified. I can only understand parts of the post (although I must admit I did not spend a long time attempting to translate his writing). Perhaps R69 was totally drunk when he wrote the post. Or, was he deliberately misspelling words for some reason or other?
However, I do chuckle when a poster attempts to use pretentious words and phrases such as "read the antecedent posts deeply to catch the genesis of . . . . . ", and then proceeds to misspell fairly simple words such as 'cite' and 'bona fides'.
Ikksman.
Normally, I do not criticise or laugh at the spelling or grammar of posters, but just try and interpret the words. In this case, I think criticism is justified. I can only understand parts of the post (although I must admit I did not spend a long time attempting to translate his writing). Perhaps R69 was totally drunk when he wrote the post. Or, was he deliberately misspelling words for some reason or other?
However, I do chuckle when a poster attempts to use pretentious words and phrases such as "read the antecedent posts deeply to catch the genesis of . . . . . ", and then proceeds to misspell fairly simple words such as 'cite' and 'bona fides'.
Ikksman.Hope know one comes to my work and kills me for my attempts at humor.
Before you attack their intelligence and education you need to understand the mindset of Philippinas. In a overcrowded, mismanaged, corrupt country the goal if possible is to get ahead in life. Education standards maybe suspect but the diploma certificate they get is all important to get a entry level job. Once they get enough experience they go on to find better job opportunities in other countries. They are least bothered about where you come from per se. Of course they are looking to go to any country by marriage or otherwise to better their lives.
Our goal in this forum at least is to find a willing partner on our vacation who can possibly rock our world. We are not in the business of quizzing them about their knowledge of the world. As for them they feel they have the knowledge to live in spite of many obstacles. If you are looking for a wife and need to get them up to your " analytic skills level " as you say give them money to go to school or hire tuition teachers to teach them. Otherwise leave them alone.
Just enjoy Phi girls who are I find the friendliest still left in the world. Sadly most of the other country girls have become more and more mercenary for our purpose.You are absolutely spot on Sammon. I fully agree with your comments! Philippine girls get my respect for always putting their family first and for sharing beautiful smiles and try to make us.
Happy. They are true "survival machines" and I wonder sometimes how they are able to do it. The comment given by Tomasb was related to geography; I actually have the same experience from other Asian countries, espesially China were I have been working; people in general have very little knowledge about directions, locations and were to find things. You can ask someone in a city about a well known hotel, company or even neighbor city. But they don't have a clue! This can be frustrating sometimes, but I have come to think of it as a cultural phenomenon. In my country I would say that everyone knows were most things are located and the IQ certainly has nothing to do with it. Asians are just very focused on their family, very close friends and very local area.
They don't seems to care about the rest. They shrug their shoulders and carry on. I guess it might be a survival technique.
Normally, I do not criticise or laugh at the spelling or grammar of posters, but just try and interpret the words. In this case, I think criticism is justified. I can only understand parts of the post (although I must admit I did not spend a long time attempting to translate his writing). Perhaps R69 was totally drunk when he wrote the post. Or, was he deliberately misspelling words for some reason or other?
However, I do chuckle when a poster attempts to use pretentious words and phrases such as "read the antecedent posts deeply to catch the genesis of . . . . . ", and then proceeds to misspell fairly simple words such as 'cite' and 'bona fides'.
Ikksman.I deliberry mispel all the time jest fer phun.
This is a real educating board, cooters, yep herd of them, Now if her water breaks? Shit just swim. Asian pussy sizes, Well big girls little pussy. Small girls all pussy is the way I been learned. You all done made my day. I's was explaining to my wife how english would say boiling water, Boiling a pot of water is how Americains would say it. Now she said boiling a water. But I told her them english can't talk british so you's going to get bye. Thanks for the educating boys.Don't worry R69, I reread your post more carefully. I unreservedly withdraw my criticism! Your post translates as:
"Barracouta are boring but educational. They have herds (schools) swimming in the breaking waves amongst the faeces. As I am a learned guy, I know that in Asia, smaller girls love cats more. There is no language called British, so it doesn't matter whether one says "boiling water" or "boiling a pot of water". I wish to thank the younger tutors on this forum."
Ikks.
It was interesting to hear the Pope's comments characterizing that the poor pregnant pinay mom of 7 as being irresponsible. We all have heard the girls say 'its Gods will' when explain their supposed powerlessness over their own reproductive system. He said on the plane back "But God gives you methods to be responsible". Well he should be instructing the Filipino clergy that fact, that's where the girls get it from. It takes more than saying that good Catholics don't have to breed "like rabbits" and should instead practice "responsible parenting. " Properly employing church approved methods requires understanding the monthly cycle, careful monitoring of core body temperature and tracking cervical mucus.
What institution in the Phils is teaching any of that? Certainly not the church. Not that it would put a dent in the birth rate. Can't imagine the people could follow such a regimented sex life. Looking out at that sea of 6 million or whatever gave his pause to pay lip service to the topic at least. For a pope he's about as progressive we are likely to see any time soon.
Its funny how following their very medieval teachings is one of the leading factors in the Phils having so much prostitution. If the Phils society ever got its birth rate under control as all the Asian tigers did as a prerequisite to their modernizing, it would be a huge blow to it being a monger paradise, not just AC and Metro Manila but the whole country.
It won't change in my lifetime. With respect to my narrow self interest, thanks alot Catholic Church.
<Snip> Nothing goes according to plan in the Philippines. You will find that out soon after you emerge from the airport.
<Snip> When we chat with her on FB, she tells me that she really wants to meet, but as she's a minor, I should also meet her family. I immediately say "what? So she says to me. Just kidding. <Snip>
Chances are it don't matter how old she is anyway. Because I'd say it's likely she never intends to meet you anyway. Don't be surprised when you start finding allot of younger pinay just playing out some fantasy. They're texting you from a safe distance where they know you'll never get near them. They've never even been kissed, much less ready to have any real life relationship with you. Teenage filipinas love to play games. That's why they always write in their profiles they hate games.
Also, don't be surprised when you find it extremely difficult to talk to them on the phone. They don't pick up. Or they hang up. Or they pick up and don't say anything. Or she's got all her best friends in the background going crazy.
If you're going to be dealing with girls in that 18-20 age group, you're not only going to have to be very careful, but you're going to need allot of patience. And get ready to start texting more than you ever thought possible.
I love that girls will so willingly and easily come to my place after we exchange a few messages on a dating site, but golly, I have to question the common sense of some. I received the following two messages from a complete stranger, someone who not only have I never corresponded with I've never even visited her profile.
need ur help, i am looking for place i could stayy overnihht starting tom, i will leave early cause my flight is 7:50am, pls respond or add me at skype (redacted)... Its my firstime in mnla
Hii, i will be going to dubai... Omg just finished readinc ur profile, well i wanna try u, hope can stay with u,.. I hv friend who works with ethihad... Hope hope to get a responce from u, my domestic flighf tom is 11am i will arrive in manila aftrr lunchThink I ought to open a profile on couchsurfing.org?
Member #4387
02-05-15, 12:08
I love that girls will so willingly and easily come to my place after we exchange a few messages on a dating site, but golly, I have to question the common sense of some. I received the following two messages from a complete stranger, someone who not only have I never corresponded with I've never even visited her profileYou arent by any chance telling in your profile you live close to atleast T3, I am refering to your answer to me a while ago when you told you'd moved during New Year to an area close to or at Resort World. That could be the reason you know and probably some friends are talking. The jungle telegraph allways works (better than Smart Buddy anyway). But it cracked me up and had a good laugh. I guess we could call this a 1 world problem in an undeveloping 3 world country beeing looked up from girls unknown to us. In a way i think u are happy:-)
You arent by any chance telling in your profile you live close to atleast T3 [...] In a way i think u are happy:-)It states I live near Resorts World. You think I ought to modify my profile to "Free Accommodation for Female Travelers"? ;) As I think more of it OFWs may be ripe pickings. They're looking for a bit of fun before they depart for the sandbox. And they're leaving.
It states I live near Resorts World. You think I ought to modify my profile to "Free Accommodation for Female Travelers"? ;) As I think more of it OFWs may be ripe pickings. They're looking for a bit of fun before they depart for the sandbox. And they're leaving.Haha I was going to suggest that option too Huts because with my wife's extended family and large circle of friends, our condo in Manila is frequently sought as a place of refuge overnight for a short stay until the OFW can catch the plane next day.
The only problem is that not all OFWs are young, sweet and attractive, and you would need some sort of filtering system. Some of those who have availed of our hospitality could very safely have slept naked on top of the bed in my guest room with the door wide open and they would not need have been concerned about me sneaking a look during the night LOL. Quite the opposite actually.
The only problem is that not all OFWs are young, sweet and attractive, and you would need some sort of filtering system. Some of those who have availed of our hospitality could very safely have slept naked on top of the bed in my guest room with the door wide open and they would not need have been concerned about me sneaking a look during the night LOL. Quite the opposite actually.Since you're a hospitable chap who has a guest room and adheres to a hands-off-the-uglies policy I'll send 'them over to your place. Thanks Red, you're the best.
Member #4297
02-10-15, 16:18
I spent 6 months in Philippines (Davao) and during these 6 months I had sex with 56 none-prostitutes girls between the age of 18-36 , I wrote a report in the Davao section a week ago and now I want to share my opinion about Filipinas.
While the girls were very caring and sweet (much sweeter than European girls here where i live in Europe) . And unlike the common view I did not think that Filipinas are gold diggers however I was kinda "shocked" about their personalities. In my expectation I thought "regardless of sex but surly talking, hanging out, spending time, going to places with the girls would be fun, interesting since I am in my 20's also so I'm the same age with the girls and must have lots of things in common" . I was so horribly wrong with this expectation. Out of the 56 girls only 4 had an interesting personalities that I actually enjoyed talking with, While Talking and hanging out with the rest of 52 girls felt like doing a duty just to get them to my bed. The personalities of those 52 girls were divided into 3 categories:
Type number 1 : very simple minded. Around 50% of those girls. With this type its necessary to choose subjects / talk like the way I would normally do when I am talking to a 10 years old kid. If I forgot to do this its easy to notice a blank look on their faces.
Type number 2 : very silly. Around 40% of those girls. No matter what I am talking about whether if I am talking about a serious story or asking them a serious question the answer of this type would usually be: hahahahahahah. Makes it impossible to enjoy a decent talk.
Type number 3 : too shy. Around 10% of those girls. This type is better than the previews 2 since by time they open up a bit (if you were ready first to handle few hours of talking alone while they reply by yes / no type of answers).
I would defiantly still call it a successful trip since its called "sex tourism" not "talking tourism" . And don't get me wrong I liked almost all the girls I met there and was very nice to them since they are also sweet but if we were talking about (opinions regarding Filipinas) then I can't hide how "shocked" I am with their personalities, intellectual level.
Happy mongering everybody!
I spent 6 months in Philippines (Davao) and during these 6 months I had sex with 56 none-prostitutes girls between the age of 18-36 , I wrote a report in the Davao section a week ago and now I want to share my opinion about Filipinas.
While the girls were very caring and sweet (much sweeter than European girls here where i live in Europe) . And unlike the common view I did not think that Filipinas are gold diggers however I was kinda "shocked" about their personalities. In my expectation I thought "regardless of sex but surly talking, hanging out, spending time, going to places with the girls would be fun, interesting since I am in my 20's also so I'm the same age with the girls and must have lots of things in common" . I was so horribly wrong with this expectation. Out of the 56 girls only 4 had an interesting personalities that I actually enjoyed talking with, While Talking and hanging out with the rest of 52 girls felt like doing a duty just to get them to my bed. The personalities of those 52 girls were divided into 3 categories:
Type number 1 : very simple minded. Around 50% of those girls. With this type its necessary to choose subjects / talk like the way I would normally do when I am talking to a 10 years old kid. If I forgot to do this its easy to notice a blank look on their faces...I had almost this exact conversation with a a newbie in Costa Rica. I was sitting at the del Rey having a beer and I explained to him that myself and other expats came to he del Rey to have an intelligent conversation, in English, with other expats because the Spanish conversations were about as deep as the telenovelas on the tele.
My buddy that was vacationing in Costa Rica could not believe hat I did not pull a Chica from the many at the del Rey. In the land of many available pretty women, an interesting male conversation has more value than in the land of the white whale.
Rubio Tonto
02-11-15, 03:02
This is basically what you get when you try and converse with the ones who aren't educated, upper class or upper middle class Filipinas:
(my nickname at Golden Nile / Grand Pharaoh is Mr. Bean).
Convo #1, first pic, red top:
Cutie: what hotel you stay mr bean?
Me: lewis grand
Cutie: okies I go der na
Me: ok, see you soon cutiepie
Cutie: im near na honey. What room you stay?
Me: 513
Cutie: wat floor is that?
Me: lol
Me: 5th floor cutiepie
Telephone conversation as she arrives:
Cutie: mr bean, wen you say 5th floor is that ploor pibe?
Me: yes cutiepie, ploor pibe
Convo #2, second pic:
Cutie: morning mr bean do you read my message
Cutie: i hope you can see it I'm so sorry
Me: I don't see it here or on FB
Cutie: you loss the paper
Me: You write something on piece of paper cutiepie?
Cutie: i didnt write
Me: Where is your message?
Cutie: in cellphone
Me: I don't see it in my cp record cutiepie. Can you send it again?
Cutie: wat I send
I love the Philippines! LOL.
Idle comment, since I have nobody else appropriate to share this with! I have had girls of all sizes, from skinny (finger and thumb together easily wrap around a girl's wrist) to somewhat overweight (shall we say I've witnessed the same woman go from gently padded to overweight in a few short years). And I have come to the conclusion that, much as I'd like to just pick a girl up and wank with her, I actually now realise I prefer girls with at least a little padding. Not overweight, just "girl next door" size I guess. Obviously everybody has their own tastes so asking what anybody here prefers is a bit pointless. In fact while I may have given scores out of 10 for looks before, I haven't done so recently because I think it varies a lot by personal taste. Just "good", "average", or "a looker" - or worse, of course, is enough for me.
Anyway, as you were!
Member #4297
02-16-15, 23:14
Reply to Simmer:
I am the type of people that thinks "the skinnier the better" when it comes to girls, however when I look back at the 6 months I spent in Davao I notice that I repeated (had sex more than once) with the overweight girls kinda more than the times I repeated the skinny girls, the reason is that overweight girls I met in Philippines seemed to have more skills and did much more effort to please me sexually than the skinny girls, I felt many skinny girls were thinking "I'm skinny, look good so I don't need skills or efforts" , while the overweight girls do realize they are less attractive so they try to make up for that by improving / learn new skills and do extra effort.
I met a girl once from DIA in a mall and I was very disappointed by her look, even though she is 20 but she is overweight and generally far from being pretty, maybe 2 or 3 out of 10 . I decided to talk with her a bit just to be polite and then excuse myself and head to hot legs (a sex club in Davao) , few minutes after we met she mentioned going back to my apartment, it was kinda unusual for a Filipina to mention that few minutes after we met and honestly I couldn't say no to a free and very easy sex so I agreed, my only problem was that I didn't want my neighbors to see me with this girl and think "is he blind?" , luckily no one saw us and we arrived my apartment around 8 PM, my next worry was " it will be embarrassing if I couldn't get a boner because of her looks" . We immediately started to undress, kiss as I mentioned around 8 PM and what happened next was unbelievable, we had almost none stop sex until 4 AM, I came 5 times which is something I never did in Philippines before in 1 night, her (blowjob skills / passionate kissing / loud moans / dirty talks / the right moves during sex / the way she treated my dick / how horny she is) all of those were reasons to made one of my best nights in Davao, I just feel sorry for the neighbors because I'm sure none of them were able to sleep considering her loud moans untill 4 AM LOL.
Member #4387
02-17-15, 01:15
Did almost the same as you once. Pinalovegirl with brushed photos and I skipped the mandatory live web cam check due to beeing busy. Luckely I was hungry so I set the meeting point inside entrance of Glorietta 4 in Makati (facing the dolphins / small park) and not outside Ascott entrance (atleast guards was nt able to see her). She was bubbly and not so facial pretty. She did have a nice rack though so meeting her, dissapointed as I was, I thought, wtf lets go eat lunch. Was planning to eat at Italiannis but did not want to be seen by the staff here with this bird (I eat there a lot) so chose to go to some more 3 FL hidden eatery (I don't recall the name of the place). I brought her also out of petty as I could see she was not comfortable as she knew I reacted on her looks. I told her not to worry, just relax, I am nice guy and all that crap.
While eating I suddenly felt horny (I have ofcourse done bubbly girls before). I knew I could / would not bring her back to my apt which are crowded by staff and security guards. They have seen me multitasking girls but no girls of such standards. Luckely she was more than willing to do the biz back at her place. Quite low end apt but decent and clean with a big bed filled with teddies. We fucked amd she was a very good provider. I highly agree in your post that bubbly / not so good looking girls will go the extra mile sometimes. Years back I remember one bubbly giving me the starfish treatment (Venezuela, South Am) but then I lost it and gave her a clear message but that's another story and wrong forum.
Member #4297
02-17-15, 01:45
While eating I suddenly felt horny (I have ofcourse done bubbly girls before). I knew I could / would not bring her back to my apt which are crowded by staff and security guards. They have seen me multitasking girls but no girls of such standards.Glad I am not the only one who feels uncomfortable beeing seen with an un-attractive girl.
Your idea was great to suggest going to her place, because I was relieved when we arrived the apartment without being seen by the neighbors, but around 12 or 1 AM we got hungry after the third fuck and there is a 24 hours jollibee near the apartment and she told me "lets go and eat at jollibee" , but I replied to her with a scared face "NO, STAY! I will go and bring us take out food" LOL.
I remember my first visit with a couple friends. We had just gotten in that day from BKK. Our hotel was a little out of the way and I was tired and jet-lagged still. They went out on the town while I took a nap. I awoke around 10:30 pm and they were no where to be found. As I paced outside wondering what to do, do I go hit the bars by myself or go back in and sleep. The cleaningboy / porter asked me if I was looking for something. I didn't respond to him. He ask me again and then he finally asked if I was looking for company? Now that got me attention. He said he knew of a beautiful girl and she would come to my room. Excellent, I didn't have to go out shopping, just go back to my room and wait. About an hour later a knock on the door and he shows up with this girl that is a 6! WTF. I decided to let her in the room. It was a little ackward as I was thinking of sending her home and she is telling me this is her first time and she needed the money for her baby and the porter dude knew her and her family personally. I decided wth go for it. The girl was pretty inexperienced and very shy along with being scared out of her mind. We took separate showers and jumped in bed covered up. I spent about 10 minutes massaging her to relax and warm her up. Then I started to give her a tongue lashing, she started to moan, twisting and shaking, she was on fire! There are girls with a tight pussy or meaty pussy or a extra wet pussy. Shit this girl had all three! I couldn't last more than 10 minutes in her while she had multiple O's. With the help of vitamin V I banged her 5 times during the night. Not that I am a great cocksman but this girl was turned on and letting loose. Too bad she had to leave at 5 am for her hotel housekeeping job. Probably one of my few times that I was totally sexually satisfied and it was by a sex-starved 6! Don't rule them out.
At this point in life I really don't care who sees me with what. No shame being with those explosive 6's!
I remember my first visit with a couple friends. We had just gotten in that day from BKK. Our hotel was a little out of the way and I was tired and jet-lagged still. They went out on the town while I took a nap. I awoke around 10:30 pm and they were no where to be found. As I paced outside wondering what to do, do I go hit the bars by myself or go back in and sleep. The cleaningboy / porter asked me if I was looking for something. I didn't respond to him. He ask me again and then he finally asked if I was looking for company? Now that got me attention. He said he knew of a beautiful girl and she would come to my room. Excellent, I didn't have to go out shopping, just go back to my room and wait. About an hour later a knock on the door and he shows up with this girl that is a 6! WTF. I decided to let her in the room. It was a little ackward as I was thinking of sending her home and she is telling me this is her first time and she needed the money for her baby and the porter dude knew her and her family personally. I decided wth go for it. The girl was pretty inexperienced and very shy along with being scared out of her mind. We took separate showers and jumped in bed covered up. I spent about 10 minutes massaging her to relax and warm her up. Then I started to give her a tongue lashing, she started to moan, twisting and shaking, she was on fire! There are girls with a tight pussy or meaty pussy or a extra wet pussy. Shit this girl had all three! I couldn't last more than 10 minutes in her while she had multiple O's. With the help of vitamin V I banged her 5 times during the night. Not that I am a great cocksman but this girl was turned on and letting loose. Too bad she had to leave at 5 am for her hotel housekeeping job. Probably one of my few times that I was totally sexually satisfied and it was by a sex-starved 6! Don't rule them out.
At this point in life I really don't care who sees me with what. No shame being with those explosive 6's!Thanks for the great report! I never considered going that route, but now I will try!. Regards.
Streetlooker
02-17-15, 21:03
Glad I am not the only one who feels uncomfortable beeing seen with an un-attractive girl.
Your idea was great to suggest going to her place, because I was relieved when we arrived the apartment without being seen by the neighbors, but around 12 or 1 AM we got hungry after the third fuck and there is a 24 hours jollibee near the apartment and she told me "lets go and eat at jollibee" , but I replied to her with a scared face "NO, STAY! I will go and bring us take out food" LOL.Your self conscious of what others think of you and your company is a very harmful to your health. Just like when you think your with the hottest girl in the whole city and you walk around like a proud peacock thinking others are impressed she's with you. Nobody but you cares what you are doing or who you with. Hot or ugly who cares what others think of the girl your with. Your with her for your reasons not there's.
Your self conscious of what others think of you and your company is a very harmful to your health. Just like when you think your with the hottest girl in the whole city and you walk around like a proud peacock thinking others are impressed she's with you. Nobody but you cares what you are doing or who you with. Hot or ugly who cares what others think of the girl your with. Your with her for your reasons not there's.About 20 years ago it inflated my ego to walk around with some arm candy 20 years younger than me. But now it is much better to have someone who can really inflate and deflate my little junior responsively many times a night.
Azmodeus Fl
02-18-15, 13:53
I have on occasion chose the lesser beauty as I found that a lot of the 10's tend to want you to kiss their ass and shower them with everything their little hearts desire. I have also had the lesser beauties that have a tendency to treat you like the king you want to be. I had one I was breaking up with who stole my cloths to keep me with her one more night. All she wanted was to have my baby and I informed her that I could not support her or the baby and she said she didn't care about money. I found out later from her friend that she had stopped taking birth control shortly after we hooked up and was indeed pregnant. Before this I was the guy who went after the prettiest girl in the bar and was never treated like this by the 10's.
WestCoast1
02-18-15, 15:08
I have on occasion chose the lesser beauty as I found that a lot of the 10's tend to want you to kiss their ass and shower them with everything their little hearts desire. I have also had the lesser beauties that have a tendency to treat you like the king you want to be. Hahaha yes. See my post #1920 in the Other Areas (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=1599324&viewfull=1#post1599324), regarding an older gal in the province who is a foot shorter than me, weighs more than me, and I can't wait to get back to. She's a 4 or 5 in the looks department (at best), but horny-er than a two-pecker-ed billy goat.
Streetlooker
02-18-15, 20:37
Hahaha yes. See my post #1920 in the Other Areas (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=1599324&viewfull=1#post1599324), regarding an older gal in the province who is a foot shorter than me, weighs more than me, and I can't wait to get back to. She's a 4 or 5 in the looks department (at best), but horny-er than a two-pecker-ed billy goat.Girls with looks are ego boosters. But the girls that give you a 10 in intangibles be it attitude, attention to detail in taking care of you and some others things that have value are the girls to stay with.
4 or 5 in the looks department (at best), but horny-er than a two-pecker-ed billy goat.Concur on the 6's and below. I usually go for higher but I had this busty Amazonian chick (Amazon Club, that is), maybe a 5 in looks, who sucked my schwantztooka and balls better than anyone. She inhaled it and worshipped it again and again and loved to be filmed. Geez I miss her. Last I heard she married some Brit. Lucky bastard.
Girls with looks are ego boosters. But the girls that give you a 10 in intangibles be it attitude, attention to detail in taking care of you and some others things that have value are the girls to stay with.Yeah that's why when you take pics of your favorite pinay girls who really turn you on, you get sort of a meh response from guys who have never been there. I have come to the conclusion they are the least photogenic race of females on earth. Plus their learned cultural tendency to stick their tongues out or scrunch up their faces to a camera instead of just flash a bright smile doesn't help matters any.
When you turn a 6 upside down and look at the new face you got youself a 9!
When you turn a 6 upside down and look at the new face you got youself a 9!I think when you turn her upside down she pukes all over you.
Roll Aides
02-19-15, 19:12
A visual representation of the problem.
Streetlooker
02-19-15, 20:24
Yeah that's why when you take pics of your favorite pinay girls who really turn you on, you get sort of a meh response from guys who have never been there. I have come to the conclusion they are the least photogenic race of females on earth. Plus their learned cultural tendency to stick their tongues out or scrunch up their faces to a camera instead of just flash a bright smile doesn't help matters any.Agree Never seen a girl from the Philippines that didn't look better in real life then in a photo. Also the thing I love about them is how different they look when you see them from different angles. Been a long time since I have been to the phils its about time to plan a trip to see them in person.
I remember my first visit with a couple friends. We had just gotten in that day from BKK. Our hotel was a little out of the way and I was tired and jet-lagged still. They went out on the town while I took a nap. I awoke around 10:30 pm and they were no where to be found. As I paced outside wondering what to do, do I go hit the bars by myself or go back in and sleep. The cleaningboy / porter asked me if I was looking for something. I didn't respond to him. He ask me again and then he finally asked if I was looking for company? Now that got me attention. He said he knew of a beautiful girl and she would come to my room. Excellent, I didn't have to go out shopping, just go back to my room and wait. About an hour later a knock on the door and he shows up with this girl that is a 6! WTF. I decided to let her in the room. It was a little ackward as I was thinking of sending her home and she is telling me this is her first time and she needed the money for her baby and the porter dude knew her and her family personally. I decided wth go for it. The girl was pretty inexperienced and very shy along with being scared out of her mind. We took separate showers and jumped in bed covered up. I spent about 10 minutes massaging her to relax and warm her up. Then I started to give her a tongue lashing, she started to moan, twisting and shaking, she was on fire! There are girls with a tight pussy or meaty pussy or a extra wet pussy. Shit this girl had all three! I couldn't last more than 10 minutes in her while she had multiple O's. With the help of vitamin V I banged her 5 times during the night. Not that I am a great cocksman but this girl was turned on and letting loose. Too bad she had to leave at 5 am for her hotel housekeeping job. Probably one of my few times that I was totally sexually satisfied and it was by a sex-starved 6! Don't rule them out.
At this point in life I really don't care who sees me with what. No shame being with those explosive 6's!Fully endorse the views given here. I have been fortunate to have filipana g / FS in my life and would vouch that they are perhaps the most amazing fucking machine I have ever.
Tasted in my life. Don't go by the look, they may not be 8 or 10 but when touched at the right places, they go on fire and you would be tired of doing them but they won't more and.
More. After 20-30 minutes of first or second round, they are ready again with same hot and wet pussies. OMG, I would like to be born in Philippines as boy next time. Besides best sex.
Generally Filipina girls are very caring and loving and make very good company, g / f and may be wife.
Cheers and enjoy if you get a chance.
A visual representation of the problem.Nice! But what does 'null set' mean?
Nice! But what does 'null set' mean?It doesn't contain anything {}, i.e. for the set to be empty an extraordinarily beautiful woman of remarkable intelligence who is a humourous, entertaining and interesting conversationalist cannot exist.
Pinaypounder
03-01-15, 13:48
Fully endorse the views given here. I have been fortunate to have filipana g / FS in my life and would vouch that they are perhaps the most amazing fucking machine I have ever.
Tasted in my life. Don't go by the look, they may not be 8 or 10 but when touched at the right places, they go on fire and you would be tired of doing them but they won't more and.
More. After 20-30 minutes of first or second round, they are ready again with same hot and wet pussies. OMG, I would like to be born in Philippines as boy next time. Besides best sex.
Generally Filipina girls are very caring and loving and make very good company, g / f and may be wife.
Cheers and enjoy if you get a chance.Likelyhood of great sex is inversely correlated with the greatness of beauty.
Find myself drawn to the chubbier horny women who are literally grateful that we take the time to fuck them and they attack us with such genuine lust that us Westerners simply o not recive at home unless of course we cruise in the 160+ plus category which my cock simply refuses to participate in.
Its because in the west we are expected to beg for and EARN pussy in the East the pussy is glad for a stiff respectful cock. Win Win!
Fuck the western CUNTS!
PP.
Member #4387
03-01-15, 15:52
Likelyhood of great sex is inversely correlated with the greatness of beauty.
Find myself drawn to the chubbier horny women who are literally grateful that we take the time to fuck them and they attack us with such genuine lust that us Westerners simply o not recive at home unless of course we cruise in the 160+ plus category which my cock simply refuses to participate in.
Its because in the west we are expected to beg for and EARN pussy in the East the pussy is glad for a stiff respectful cock. Win Win!
Fuck the western CUNTS!
PP.To some extent I agree with you but not totaly. Depends a great deal where we do our hunting. As for myself I use only on rare occations proffesionals (it happens but these days very very rare). Yes there will be a few semi pros (whatever that is) and probably some hidden BG fully time prosties as well but as in general I avoid the proff segment of girls as the plague. Here your statement are nearly fully the truth and the stunning ones are totaly aware of it and uses it as they know many people will pay big dimes just to lay next to a stunner and very little they have to put up when it comes to performance. From my usual segment which contains mostly from students, working girls as in normal jobs some stunners go under the radar as they are not fully aware of their potential moneywice or in their level of beauty. These girls are mostly reluctant to even take money so some game is needed to bed them (atleast I like to think so as it serves my ego in a good way, hehe). And here you find stunning beauty wiling to perform unconditionally. Some regulars with realy good jobs as well I do occationaly as in regular play. They perform but here I believe it is just simular affection comes to play (if I am wrong I don't care but atleast this is what I think as there are no need for blue notes in this segment). That beeing said and like I was droddling about in the beginning I have one UNI student, a bit chubby, but OMG what a perfomer and so thight as I, sometimes even with my medium wood, have trouble entering her lubed up or not. It is fuckin special how our creater put this one together (relax I am not a believer and only believe in myself) but she is willing to the PFE anytime and are a certain object I have when I realy wantmy cock to realy get busy.
And I don't look down at western women the way you do. I find them pretty mutch the same as their asian sisters but ofcourse it is only on rare occations I have time to explore girls in my part of the world. Me and my friends do clubbingruns to Vegas, Munic, Rome, Tel Aviv, Stockholm, Moscow (I have trouble dealing with CIS ladies though), etc etc and even if we mostly hit the fourthies we do fine also here. One time at the Four Season hotel in Budapest a friend of mine picked up a chubby chick. We laughed but I stayed in a connecting room to him and I have never heard more screaming in my life (from both him and the girl). So chubby ones, yes, can be special but it is exceptions out there. Just 1 cent worth maby or even less.
BrainDrain
03-02-15, 07:19
I spent a couple of nights in a RP provincial town on a biz trip recently. Two nights, three ladies, it was kind of hectic. Two of the girls came through WeChat and I had Added them both. Adding a few likes and comments on their various pics. I thought the security on WeChat was such that other friends couldn't see the activity on other accounts. Oh well, over time and being a small provincial town where these girls are they have become friends through WeChat. As soon as they have friended each other, they start to see the replies of the each other to me. Talk about a little jealousy. I'm glad I'm 5.000 kms away.
Work might take me back there soon, I'll be sure to log out of WeChat before I hit town.
BD.
I don't want anyone to know who I really am so that I can avoid all kinds of problems. I always avoid girls that I would meet at work, and even friend of friend that could easy track my name and place I live. That's why I really love to meet girls on dating sites. Fake name, fake nationality, fake everything and nobody knows me.
Recently I had lots of luck with a site called filipina.net. Girls seems like waiting white guys to contact them. Weird enough at times I got the feeling I'm the only guy on the site. Have you guys tried it? I'm wondering if they keep intentionally a low ratio of guys on there and high number of girls, unlike site like dateinasia where girls are summered by guys messages and only ladyboys seems to be really available.
Member #4351
03-10-15, 16:50
I don't want anyone to know who I really am so that I can avoid all kinds of problems. I'm wondering if they keep intentionally a low ratio of guys on there and high number of girls, unlike site like dateinasia where girls are summered by guys messages and only ladyboys seems to be really available.Sounds like a promotion to me.
Sounds like a promotion to me.No shit, a guy with one post talking about a new wonderful website, man you must be a consultant.
And yes, it is a promotion in case someone still wonders.
(Sorry David, WR will vouch that under my sarcasm there is truly an innocent, loving and caring inner child, hopefully I will meet you soon in Lima).
Wicked Roger
03-11-15, 19:50
No shit, a guy with one post talking about a new wonderful website, man you must be a consultant.
And yes, it is a promotion in case someone still wonders.
(Sorry David, WR will vouch that under my sarcasm there is truly an innocent, loving and caring inner child, hopefully I will meet you soon in Lima).Cons,
Good to see on the board where you wish you were more often LOL.
David. What he says about himself is true but he fails to add he has been warned by police in the Arab world for trying to bring an assortment of goodies that the girls like (and you would consider tasteless and would congratulate the police force). The bit that is a lie is "innocent".
And if he arrives in Lima he is a fun guy trust me (we have had many a good time in the UAE).
I don't want anyone to know who I really am so that I can avoid all kinds of problems. I always avoid girls that I would meet at work, and even friend of friend that could easy track my name and place I live. That's why I really love to meet girls on dating sites. Fake name, fake nationality, fake everything and nobody knows me.
Recently I had lots of luck with a site called filipina.net. Girls seems like waiting white guys to contact them. Weird enough at times I got the feeling I'm the only guy on the site. Have you guys tried it? I'm wondering if they keep intentionally a low ratio of guys on there and high number of girls, unlike site like dateinasia where girls are summered by guys messages and only ladyboys seems to be really available.Marky, DIA has been a goldmine for me and no ladyboys. Do you have any the Cup women on this website? Slim, stacked and attractive but no dicks.
Marky, DIA has been a goldmine for me and no ladyboys. Do you have any the Cup women on this website? Slim, stacked and attractive but no dicks.It's supposed to read DEE Cup as in large breasts on a small frame (not THE Cup). I'd be impressed if you could show some pics of DEE cup filipinas.
It's supposed to read DEE Cup as in large breasts on a small frame (not THE Cup). I'd be impressed if you could show some pics of DEE cup filipinas.The web software changes the capital D into "the" which a poster will always pick up if he previews his post to see if it reads as he wanted it to read.
Alternative is to re-read your post when you post it and you can edit it for around 15 or 20 minutes after posting.
Another common error is for guys to type "I D" and it comes out in the post as "I'd". Easy trick is to put a space between the I and the D and you get I D.
The web software changes the capital D into "the" which a poster will always pick up if he previews his post to see if it reads as he wanted it to read.
Alternative is to re-read your post when you post it and you can edit it for around 15 or 20 minutes after posting.
Another common error is for guys to type "I D" and it comes out in the post as "I'd". Easy trick is to put a space between the I and the D and you get I D.Or after submission hit edit, correct, and resubmit.
The web software changes the capital D into "the" which a poster will always pick up if he previews his post to see if it reads as he wanted it to read.
Alternative is to re-read your post when you post it and you can edit it for around 15 or 20 minutes after posting.
Another common error is for guys to type "I D" and it comes out in the post as "I'd". Easy trick is to put a space between the I and the D and you get I D.OK thanks for the tip, Red.
I didn't want to interrupt the discussion in the "General Info" thread so I will put this "interesting" (tongue-in-cheek) article here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-anderson/reasons-women-should-be-dating-men-in-their-50s_b_6841616.html
I didn't want to interrupt the discussion in the "General Info" thread so I will put this "interesting" (tongue-in-cheek) article here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-anderson/reasons-women-should-be-dating-men-in-their-50s_b_6841616.htmlRead the comments. Wow. A lot of resentment there. I've never engaged in wicked-Western-woman bashing, but jeez, many of the female commentators are venomous.
Check out this post from Carlos Celdran. A well-known activist.
https://correctphilippines.org/pinoy_escapism/
GoodEnough
03-24-15, 11:25
Check out this post from Carlos Celdran. A well-known activist.
https://correctphilippines.org/pinoy_escapism/Excellent article RK. Thanks for the link. I wasn't familiar with the organization. My only disagreement with the Editor's Comments is that I doubt Filipinos, no matter the wretchedness of their situation, will ever "run amok" on the epic scale required to evince meaningful change. Granted that it's happened twice in the recent past, with no discernible improvement. Even the two Edsa "revolutions" however involved only a relatively small percentage of the population, and only in Manila. I believe that for the majority of Filipinos, that is for the 70 or 80 million who don't live in Metro Manila, the latter is irrelevant to their lives and they don't, for the most part, believe in the feasibility of meaningful change.
GE.
Make them believe they're happy by their singing and dancing. Put that "culture" on television nearly 24 hours a day. Some rice and dried fish, a full belly and a couple of Red Horses and you've got the country under control. Oh yeah, I forgot about some model airplane glue to sniff too. It took me 4 taxi drivers today to make it home from less than 1 km from my place today. Nobody wanted to use the meter, and all wanted at least twice the price. It's so sad because so many of the people are really very sweet, but corruption has gone beyond being pervasive. That's Manila.
Roll Aides
03-24-15, 14:52
Check out this post from Carlos Celdran. A well-known activist.
https://correctphilippines.org/pinoy_escapism/Found the foreigner's comments spot on, good read. The guy who wrote the ensuing editorial seems to be indulging in some heavy-duty escapism, himself, if he believes that the masses are ever going to rise up and overthrow the elite here. Wishful thinking.
Asian Rain
03-24-15, 15:53
Check out this post from Carlos Celdran. A well-known activist. https://correctphilippines.org/pinoy_escapism/Interesting read, but the same tripe we always see from people who live here on the "higher moral ground" of being an expat. Had this guy pegged at the statement "today is "Ash Wednesday" and when you see hookers with the mark of the cross, written in ash on their foreheads, whilst selling their bodies on the streets. It says something about how far off the rails this place has gone". Really? What does it say? Prostitutes can't show their Catholicism?
Lots and lots of petty gripes and sniping at the system, but I would challenge any of the expat critics to come up with any tangible practical solutions to the socioeconomic ills of this country. Slippery has a point when he says "Some rice and dried fish, a full belly and a couple of Red Horses and you've got the country under control. " The elite in the US (who own nearly as much portion of national wealth as the Big Families of the Philippines) are doing the same thing just at a slightly higher absolute standard: a Big Mac with fries, supersized with a couple Budweisers and the next episode of The Simpsons seems sufficient to make most Americans forget the fact that they are in the unequal condition they are. And Joe Six Pack has just as much odds of rising up against his pathetic condition as Juan Six Pack. For thought. Enjoy the Philippines, AsianRain.
Beijing4987
03-24-15, 16:39
Acid Rain is right on. All one has to do is watch the mouth move, see them in action and hold your nose. The stench will only get worse until the next bloody revolution or attempt at one.
Beijing4987
03-24-15, 16:46
Sorry I forgot to mention some other forms of escapism. Nascar, cars driving circles to thrill the masses, and large men throwing balls in the air. Or reading a book, as I like to do. Is is so different than huffing glue?
Won't happen. 6-7 million will line up to see the Pope, thinking and hoping for a miracle to change their lives. At the same time 6-7 million will not line up to say enough is enough with the present system.
Roll Aides
03-24-15, 18:09
Agree that that particular piece of obnoxious moralizing (Ash Wednesday,) was a sour point in the commentary. However, that doesn't make the remainder of the article any less accurate. Particularly, the notion that expats are exempted from the right to point out the flaws in the society they are living in, strikes me as total bull patties. It's not a competition. What sucks, sucks, end of story.
I think the comparisons concerning the shittiness of American culture are quite entertaining. Although, I would say that a closer analogy, might be, as long as they've got an Ipod and Netflix, ad nauseum, then whatever. A parallel might also be drawn between ESDA and Occupy Wall Street. Especially in the zero meaningful impact.
But again, the fact that the US has degenerated to the point that it has virtually the same income inequality as the Philippines or other third world cesspools, and is facing a similar total absence of hope to retrieve itself from that situation, in no way invalidates what someone from country X why or Z has to say about the shittiness they find themselves in, because shit is shit.
I'm not sure why these kind of observations often turn into shouting matches about who's got the worse culture, or how someone from a first-world country isn't allowed to comment, but it just doesn't seem relevant. Unless, there was something in the original article I missed, that said "We're better than you, nah nah. " Perhaps some members have a higher cultural norm of national identification, and therefore assume that that's what's going on. I'm pretty much sure it's not. Just a thought.
A parallel might also be drawn between ESDA and Occupy Wall Street. Especially in the zero meaningful impact.
Occupy Wall Street was starting to have a meaningful impact because it was shut down by Homeland Security when they decided enough was enough. Don't know what would happen here if anything big ever got started again.
Pip Jaeger
03-24-15, 22:44
Check out this post from Carlos Celdran. A well-known activist.
https://correctphilippines.org/pinoy_escapism/Good article, but too many of dem big words in it for me to understand; come ta tink of it, probly too many big words for about 95% of any Filipino's to understand it too.
Juan Six Pack. Don't really see six pack's sold here, beer seems to be sold like most other products = single use. Maybe One-Litre-Juan might be a better label, LOL.
Occupy Wall Street was starting to have a meaningful impact because it was shut down by Homeland Security when they decided enough was enough. Don't know what would happen here if anything big ever got started again.Occupy Wall Street died of its own weight, especially outside of NY. Most other sites quickly got co-opted by other parties, and the encampments quickly became populated often times by the homeless. Philly in particular became a smelly cesspool. Oakland was a particular outlier in that they were more likely to escalate to violence.
The fact that OWS had no coherent idea what they actually wanted, other than to voice frustration, was a big contributor to their demise. Sacrifice and discomfort is difficult to sustain when you make no discernible progress.
Homeland Security played little to no role at all in OWS withering away.
FreebieFan
03-25-15, 01:33
Interesting read, but the same tripe we always see from people who live here on the "higher moral ground" of being an expat. Had this guy pegged at the statement "today is "Ash Wednesday" and when you see hookers with the mark of the cross, written in ash on their foreheads, whilst selling their bodies on the streets. It says something about how far off the rails this place has gone". Really? What does it say? Prostitutes can't show their Catholicism?
Lots and lots of petty gripes and sniping at the system, but I would challenge any of the expat critics to come up with any tangible practical solutions to the socioeconomic ills of this country.l. ".Peter Wallace, who has been a near permaent expat in the Philippines and who does many things including a regular column in The Inquirer frequently comes up with great suggestions as to how to improve traffic, FDI, tax collections etc. In a reasoned and intelligent presentation.
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Lots and lots of petty gripes and sniping at the system, but I would challenge any of the expat critics to come up with any tangible practical solutions to the socioeconomic ills of this country. . <SNIP> . . .I didn't make any comment when I posted the link AR because I thought the expat's point of view was worth sharing. The "editor", who I believe was Carlos Celdran, is a staunch advocate of change and a patriotic lover of Manila. His view that there is a large mass of citizens waiting to 'explode' may not be too far off provided there is a big enough spark to ignite it.
FWIW, I have been here now for an extended time in the Philippines working in the education area, and every day I try to "make a difference" in some small way by pointing out what I believe are better, more effective and more efficient ways to do things (and not only in education).
Just last weekend at the condo home-owners association meeting I made several suggestions regarding ways to improve our elevator service and trash collection and removal, and my suggestions were accepted and already acted upon. The suggestions were blatantly obvious and no-brainers, but nobody had bothered to suggest them as better alternatives until I did, which is, in itself, rather sad.
Occasionally the recipients of my advice are very grateful for it and actually CHANGE; other (most) times, they nod and smile and then go on doing whatever they do in the same inefficient way.
I also dislike petty gripes and sniping at the system, especially from those who have lived here for extended periods.
For me, there are many 'pros' and 'cons' about living in the Philippines, but for me to stay here for 18 years, the 'pros' obviously far outweigh the 'cons', as I am certainly not a masochist.
However, sometimes the 'cons' are extremely annoying and frustrating and take an enormous amount of restraint to suppress the urge to implode.
Soapy Smith
03-25-15, 05:13
The fact that OWS had no coherent idea what they actually wanted, other than to voice frustration, was a big contributor to their demise. I see this differently. It is not clear whether Mitt Romney ever had a path to victory, but he surely harmed himself with his comments, surreptitiously recorded at a private meeting with potential donors, in which he declared he didn't care about the 47% whose principal orientation was to living off the government trough. Criticism of his comments would arguably have withered on the vine had it not been for the narrative of 99% against the one %, which had been clearly articulated by the occupy movement. Against the backdrop of the 99%/1% refrain, frequently repeated during the 2012 election year by various folks, Mitt made himself conspicuously a member of the 1%--and out of touch with the 99%. The movement may have accomplished little else, but to say they crumbled under their own weight misses a significant historical lesson.
In addition, I am not convinced that a narrowly construed objective was consistent with their grievances. To take another lesson from history, the masses of poor who stormed the Bastille in 1789 did not have an explicitly stated objective. Some accounts say there were no more than seven prisoners in the Bastille at the time. But the Bastille was a symbol of the monarchy, and its overthrow probably ignited the French Revolution.
Soapy Smith
03-25-15, 06:21
Excellent article RK. Thanks for the link. I wasn't familiar with the organization. My only disagreement with the Editor's Comments is that I doubt Filipinos, no matter the wretchedness of their situation, will ever "run amok" on the epic scale required to evince meaningful change. Granted that it's happened twice in the recent past, with no discernible improvement. Even the two Edsa "revolutions" however involved only a relatively small percentage of the population, and only in Manila. I believe that for the majority of Filipinos, that is for the 70 or 80 million who don't live in Metro Manila, the latter is irrelevant to their lives and they don't, for the most part, believe in the feasibility of meaningful change.
GE.Obviously this discussion is not about "Filipinas--Opinions and Advice--except to the extent it paints a picture of Filipina / Filipino worldview. But in the interest of understanding the Filipino worldview, it is important to note that GE put "revolution" in quotations. I think it is safe to say neither EDSA was truly a revolution. EDSA I, which removed Marcos, would probably never have occurred without a coup within the defense institutions and open support from Cardinals Vidal and Sin. Coup conspirators in the Defense Department included the Secretary of Defense, Juan Ponce Enrile, and Lt. Col. Gregorio Honason, then an informal leader among field grade officers apparently disenchanted with Marcos' martial law. The lynchpin was Fidel Ramos, Vice Commander of the Armed Forces and head of the national police, who sensed the fragile balance of power between Marcos and the rebels and decided to embrace the rebels. Perhaps more than anybody else, Ramos was crucial to success of the rebellion, because he commanded respect among other police and military officials and convinced them to stand down when Marcos attempted to press them into action to arrest the rebels. It is true that a million or more average Filipinos massed on EDSA between Fort Aguinaldo and Camp Crame, thus preventing the few forces still loyal to Marcos from arresting the rebels encamped in Camp Crame. But this would not have happened had it not been for the appeals of Cardinal Sin and communications between the encamped rebels and a rogue radio station. Bottom line: EDSA I was not a bottom-up revolution by the masses. Interestingly, both Enrile and Honason, both of whom served many years in the Philippine Senate, proved themselves to be opportunists. Enrile was involved in plots to overthrow Cory Aquino and recently ended up in jail from his apparent involvement in the Pork-Barrel scam. ,
EDSA II was, if anything, even more driven from the top down. There is little question that Erap took a bunch of bribes from illegal gambling promoters and from an Argentine power company, but his removal from office occurred, I will suggest, from the intervention of Cardinal Sin and other power brokers who wished to see him removed from office. It is not clear the assemblage of people who massed on EDSA had any independent commitment to the issues at hand other than what Cardinal Sin and others had convinced them to think. Interestingly, there was a nominal EDSA III, consisting of Erap supporters. There commitment to the defense of Erap was arguably little different than the commitment of EDSA II supporters to his removal from office. Many observers believe that Erap's replacement, Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, who was supported by Cardinal Sin and others, led a more corrupt presidency than Erap's.
GE is right to question the bottom-up nature of the so-called EDSA "revolutions. " The question remains, in my mind, whether there is a legitimate bottom-up impetus for real reform from the marginalized masses of Filipinos.
Soapy Smith
03-25-15, 08:01
Found the foreigner's comments spot on, good read. The guy who wrote the ensuing editorial seems to be indulging in some heavy-duty escapism, himself, if he believes that the masses are ever going to rise up and overthrow the elite here. Wishful thinking.First, thanks to RK for posting the link. The ensuing discussion has been interesting. I think the intention of the ensuing editorial had little concern with the masses. The overall argument is to weaken barriers to foreign investment and multi-national corporations. The possibility of mass upheaval is thrown in there to try to frighten the oligarchs. Once the masses figure out that MNCs and direct foreign investment create all these jobs, they will figure out they don't need you (oligarchs).
Please look more carefully at this organization's prescriptions; it is noteworthy that they call themselves "correct government. " I return to that name later. But what do they propose? They want: 1) "economic liberalization. " I presume some in ISG who are engaged in bringing business to the Philippines will agree. Sorry to upset you, but economic liberalization leads to a mixed bag of results. There is some evidence that relaxed economic institutions lead to economic development. But there is also evidence that so-called neo-liberal policies--shrinking government and business regulation--have had very negative results in some counties. Poor people suffer the consequences, not the original oligarchs. The wisdom of this strategy for outside developers is apparent; its benefits for the country are less clear.
Their second strategy is regional decentralization. This make some sense, but their argument that the cause of urban drift to Manila is found in the constitution is nonsense. Virtually all developing countries experience urban migration. It is not because the constitution places the national government and departmental offices in Manila. It is because poor rural people find that life in rural agricultural settings is always lived at the margins, and Manila offers some hope of prosperity, no matter how unrealistic. Poverty and rural marginal economies are the cause of urban migration. No changes to the constitution are going to change this.
Third, they propose a constitutional change to replace the presidentialist system with a parliamentary system. This may make sense. Nearly 80% of surviving democracies have parliamentary rather than presidentialist systems. The difficulty in making a parliamentary system work in a developing country is that multiple party groups emerge, and it is often difficult to negotiate a parliamentary majority based on commitments from numerous minority parties. In a presidentialist system, any individual party needs only get their presidential candidate elected. Compared to parliamentary majorities, often difficult to maneuver, the path from President to dictator is comparatively short.
There are some arguments that support a parliamentary system in the Philippines. Assuming a viable ruling majority can be constructed, prime ministers who are aligned with Parliamentary structures have much greater success enacting legislation than do presidents interacting with congressional bodies controlled by another party.
Before swallowing an argument like this whole cloth, please consider the real underlying interests of its advocates. To argue that one has the "correct government" in one's plan is more than arrogant. The notion of a "correct government" assumes that there is "one best way," and thus any expectation that citizens might contest their preferred expectations would be, under this model, inappropriate. This one is not that hard to unpack.
GoodEnough
03-25-15, 09:50
Thank you Skip for your lucid argument. While I agree with most of your major points, I think what we're all ignoring, or at least glossing over is the huge range of interlocking problems that have culminated in the present level of dysfunction. For me there are numerous variables that would need to be addressed before the form of government, or changing the form of government becomes a paramount concern. Some, but by no means all of the concerns that need to be addressed well prior to any meaningful debate on whether to develop a parliamentary system are as follows:
1. The education system must be brought to some semblance of international standards and completion rates improved substantially throughout the country. The simple fact is that hundreds of thousands of public school graduates are ill equipped for jobs in a modern, technological society;.
2. Ditto for the tertiary education system. Outside of a few institutions in Manila--which are fairly mediocre by international standards--the university system doesn't prepare technically savvy critical thinkers.
3. Reduce the birth rate. At its present level, there's no possibility that the number of people entering the labor force each year could have a reasonable expectation of being absorbed into a workforce, not even under the rosiest economic expansion projections. Achieving this objective will mean diminishing significantly the power and influence of the Catholic Church, which doesn't seem likely.
4. Distribute economic expansion opportunities more evenly throughout the country before Metro Manila sinks into the sea from the continuous influx of people. Davao and Cebu are both viable potential hub cities for the creation of new economic corridors.
5. Develop a functional justice system that actually punishes corruption, and administers justice swiftly.
6. Create and implement simplified, enforceable tax codes and significantly reduce the cost of compliance.
7. Design and build efficient transport systems and electrical distribution systems.
8. Revise the investment codes so that there's at least a snowball's chance in hell of attracting foreign investment.
Those are some of the key priorities that occur to me, though the list could run on for several pages. None of the above would necessarily be improved through the imposition of a Parliamentary system, which would likely be dominate by the same dynasts who control the current system.
GE.
A really stimulating debate here guys. But I can sense some will be saying this is way away from the theme of Filipina Opinion and Advice! But let's continue.
.......... but I would challenge any of the expat critics to come up with any tangible practical solutions to the socioeconomic ills of this country. Perhaps a generation or two too late but the Philippines would have benefitted from a Lee Kuan Yew. Forty plus years ago the GDP per capita for both Singapore and the Philippines were much on a par. Today Singapore ranks third in the world with a GDP per capita of $US64,000 whereas the Philippines languishes at 120+ in the world at $5,200 per capita. As a leader the late Lee Kuan Yew with is strategic vision and implementation plan took his Singapore from third-world to first-world status in a single generation. So a strategic vision, an emphasis on economic growth and international investment, almost dictatorial control that quashed opposition and dissenters, and strong anti-corruption measures helped lift Singapore by the bootstraps to the enviable position it holds today.
Thank you Skip for your lucid argument. While I agree with most of your major points, I think what we're all ignoring, or at least glossing over is the huge range of interlocking problems that have culminated in the present level of dysfunction. For me there are numerous variables that would need to be addressed before the form of government, or changing the form of government becomes a paramount concern. Some, but by no means all of the concerns that need to be addressed well prior to any meaningful debate on whether to develop a parliamentary system are as follows:,,,,Great post GE.
The question remains, in my mind, whether there is a legitimate bottom-up impetus for real reform from the marginalized masses of Filipinos.
.......I doubt Filipinos, no matter the wretchedness of their situation, will ever "run amok" on the epic scale required to evince meaningful change. Granted that it's happened twice in the recent past, with no discernible improvement. Even the two Edsa "revolutions" however involved only a relatively small percentage of the population, and only in Manila. I believe that for the majority of Filipinos, that is for the 70 or 80 million who don't live in Metro Manila, the latter is irrelevant to their lives and they don't, for the most part, believe in the feasibility of meaningful change. Yes I doubt there is any appetite for bottoms up revolutionary reform. What is required is a leader with strategic vision, thinking of country first, and strong and charismatic enough to lead the country and get genuine change. And no, I am not thinking of Manny Pacquiao!
KongKing.
Pinaypounder
03-25-15, 17:48
I am reposting this because MANY OF YOU NEED TO READ IT!
I have been in Cebu for a few days and my pace is slow as I have met an actual keeper, thanks to FC. But that is not my story kids.
Prior to meeting my KEEPER I met the Devil. I dare not share to many details here as it seems most of you know her and almost all of you have sent her money. I would hate for her men to find out about her although if her men are readers then that's simply Karma.
I spent several hours with the woman and 2 nights and I listened to her talk and talk and talk. OMG. Right now she has a Fiancee who is a "multi millionaire" yet gave her a micro diamond ring, she has a BF who sends her cash that she has not met and she fucks me because 'its been awhile", I was respectfully quiet when her benefactors kept calling.
She does not have a pot to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in despite having received MILLIONS of PESOS, yes MILLIONS you see she likes to shop! She has alot of shit but nothing of real value.
She won't see me again (I have invited her out) because despite the fact I only listen to her and fuck her well as she will fall for me and does not want to just be a fling? She might be a total pyscho!
She is the best internet fisherwoman I have ever heard of, at one point she had a man sending her 30 k a WEEK! And then she fucked around on him while he was in town no less.
She has been married a few times got deported from one country cause she was double married and is a bullshit artist extraordinaire.
I don't think she is a pure scammer, but she sure aint honest she is just a dumb classless jungle cat and boy does she use you dumb mother fuckers. She is the worst listener I have ever met, her body is far from even really good yet she is covered in men.
I did her cause we had breakfast and I knew I could fuck her so I did and she can suck a decent cock and she is certainly interesting to listen to. Its nice to fuck sober women that you spend an hour with that you can tell need it.
I did not pay her but she borrowed 500 pesos.
MEN ARE STUPID it is amazing what some men will do for a little attention in fact its sad and it is a truly sad statement on how Western Men are treated by Western Women! MY suggestion to some of you, get a dog, they are loyal and will love you inexpensively.
So far this trip I have had 3 women only; one refused money and was angry when I secretly stuffed some in her purse, 1 was the Devil and 1 is a keeper who takes nothing!
Think men think!
PP.
Pinaypounder
03-25-15, 18:02
Thank you Skip for your lucid argument. While I agree with most of your major points, I think what we're all ignoring, or at least glossing over is the huge range of interlocking problems that have culminated in the present level of dysfunction. For me there are numerous variables that would need to be addressed before the form of government, or changing the form of government becomes a paramount concern. Some, but by no means all of the concerns that need to be addressed well prior to any meaningful debate on whether to develop a parliamentary system are as follows:
GE.I completely agree with you on this and you need to add a culture change that makes getting ahead a priority instead of "don't worry be happy" I love that the are so relaxed the West can learn from some of this BUT crap you need to actually try to get ahead and expect to succeed.
And man are some of them legendarily stupid! Read a newspaper here for the first time and you simply won't believe your eyes, there are 3 murders a day here in cebu and at least half involve cops getting shot!
It is a a happy fail society with the worst men on the planet which simply lays the groundowork for a sweetheart like MOI thank you Pinoy men!
PP.
SergeantRay
03-25-15, 18:35
3. Reduce the birth rate. At its present level, there's no possibility that the number of people entering the labor force each year could have a reasonable expectation of being absorbed into a workforce, not even under the rosiest economic expansion projections. Achieving this objective will mean diminishing significantly the power and influence of the Catholic Church, which doesn't seem likely.
GE.I've been in many places in Cebu City, where Filipinos are packed shoulder to shoulder, have seen the families where dad is a day laborer or has no job and yet there are enough kidsto fill a jeepney, and I think that as long as this continues there will always be women open to my advances.
Asian Rain
03-25-15, 18:57
But I can sense some will be saying this is way away from the theme of Filipina Opinion and Advice!Oh yeah. I thought this was the "Philippines Opinions and AdviSe" thread. Huhuhu.
Perhaps a generation or two too late but the Philippines would have benefitted from a Lee Kuan Yew. Forty plus years ago the GDP per capita for both Singapore and the Philippines were much on a par. Today Singapore ranks third in the world with a GDP per capita of $US64,000 whereas the Philippines languishes at 120+ in the world at $5,200 per capita.Wealth is nothing if you don't have pussy! The real sparkle of the Singapore Miracle it that it sports the most variety-filled prostitution scene in Asia!
However, sometimes the 'cons' are extremely annoying and frustrating and take an enormous amount of restraint to suppress the urge to implode.In those times, comrade RK, instead of sniffing glue or stabbing locals I steady myself with the words of Milton in Paradise Lost: "The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. " Philippines is a Heaven. Don't make a Hell out of it. Enjoy the Philippines, AsianRain.
PolyOrchid
03-26-15, 03:29
In those times, comrade RK, instead of sniffing glue or stabbing locals I steady myself with the words of Milton in Paradise Lost: "The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. " Philippines is a Heaven. Don't make a Hell out of it. Enjoy the Philippines, AsianRain.AR,
I must say I always click through on any photo you publish since your taste never disappoints. Now, to see you also are a man who appreciates a good quote only confirms that decision. Kudos.
The Indonesian diet is also rice-based. "If an Indonesian hasn't eaten rice, he hasn't eaten". Nevertheless there is a plentiful supply of attractive Indonesian women. Rice is not the problem.Respectfully KK, I'll just add that before I came the the Philippines, for 10 plus years I lived with slim, fit Indonesian with a great ass. I visited her family in Jakarta a few times and attended a hundred Indonesian parties. So I know a little about how they eat. Granted, she did pick up a couple pounds over the years, and her family is a bit plump. But I see a big difference in the diet. Indonesians generally eat some rice with a meal, but it's not the bulk of the meal. And there's probably a couple herbs and spices. There's also vegetables, and they like vegetables. And they won't eat unless there's chili. She used to say "no chili, no eat". Here, the whole plate is full of rice, and there's a little bit of meat or pork fat or a small fish. Then that's followed by another plate of rice. I never saw her take 2 or 3 heaping tablespoons of rice between other bites that are mostly a heaping tablespoon of rice, like I see here all the time. And that's done 3-5 times a day, along with bread and cola. Filipinas tell me all the time they hate vegetables, and they hate spicy. A few have asked me why foreigners like vegetables, and one asked me what that granular black stuff was that I was putting on my food.
And furthermore, to make it worse, when a filipina is the proper weight for her size, she probably has her friends hammering on her that she's too skinny. To be considered chubby, they have to be obese. I been through hundreds of provinces in my travels across this country, and what I see walking home from the grade schools is not a good sign. I don't know where the next generation of slim ones are going to come from. Exhibit A. Gained 5-10 kilograms between the age of 18-19.
Pip Jaeger
04-05-15, 23:29
Respectfully KK, I'll just add that before I came the the Philippines, for 10 plus years I lived with slim, fit Indonesian with a great ass. I visited her family in Jakarta a few times and attended a hundred Indonesian parties. So I know a little about how they eat. Granted, she did pick up a couple pounds over the years, and her family is a bit plump. But I see a big difference in the diet. Indonesians generally eat some rice with a meal, but it's not the bulk of the meal. And there's probably a couple herbs and spices. There's also vegetables, and they like vegetables. And they won't eat unless there's chili. She used to say "no chili, no eat". Here, the whole plate is full of rice, and there's a little bit of meat or pork fat or a small fish. Then that's followed by another plate of rice. I never saw her take 2 or 3 heaping tablespoons of rice between other bites that are mostly a heaping tablespoon of rice, like I see here all the time. And that's done 3-5 times a day, along with bread and cola. Filipinas tell me all the time they hate vegetables, and they hate spicy. A few have asked me why foreigners like vegetables, and one asked me what that granular black stuff was that I was putting on my food.
And furthermore, to make it worse, when a filipina is the proper weight for her size, she probably has her friends hammering on her that she's too skinny. To be considered chubby, they have to be obese. I been through hundreds of provinces in my travels across this country, and what I see walking home from the grade schools is not a good sign. I don't know where the next generation of slim ones are going to come from. Exhibit A. Gained 5-10 kilograms between the age of 18-19.Quite true Sam, I've been with many a pinay who will eat rice to the point of where it appears they are gorging themselves. Many times I've been surprised to see just how much rice some these skinny spinners can pack away. But if you think about it, many of the girls we see here are not exactly from the better side of the tracks. Their mentality is that they often don't know when their next meal will be, so they do in fact gorge themselves.
And their idea of chubby is different than ours. I've had to clarify that with a couple of my pimpettes as they've sent me what I considered chubby girls. When I chatted with them later I was told "oh no, they not chubby, they healthy". In addition, I've found that many Filipino's seem to think that being chubby, even to the point of obesity, is a sign of prosperity.
When it comes to vegetables and spicy food I somewhat disagree. Although many do only eat rice with some small amount of protein (mostly chicken, pork, reconstituted dried fish and canned meats / fish), many do eat veges, but not the type we tend to consume in the west. Here you frequently see them eating more varieties of squash, leafy greens (like Kang Kong {water spinach} and various cabbages) and even potatoes as well as sweet potatoes (the local "camotes" are quite good BTW). Unfortunately they are mostly boiled to the point where most of the nutrients have been lost or stir fried with lots of oil and in some sickly sweet sauce, often with too much salt added.
Speaking of salt, it seems to be the major "spice" consumed here, that and MSG, LOL. They add a product called "Magic Sarap" to about everything; it's basically a powdered chicken bouillon that's high in both sodium and MSG.
Although the average person here does not add spices to food as they cook it the way many other cultures do (unless you consider a package of powdered Adobo a spice), many do like spicy food. Just look at all of the restos that serve you a small bowl of soy sauce with a calamansi (similar to a Key Lime, bit tends to be more bitter / sour) and few Thai chili peppers in it. And many of my girls will kill about anything I cook with the hottest hot sauce I can buy (BTW, that's not to say I'm a bad cook; I'm actually quite good at it, so kindly spare me the puns and comments).
Anyone visiting here should take a walk through a local market or grocery store. In the food stores ignore the imported goods (they're catering to foreigners and OFW's). Look at the aisles loaded with noodles / pasta (mostly single serve packages of flavored instant pancit / ramen noodles), canned potted meats and sardines as well as aisle after aisle of chips and bagged candy. Then wander over to the frozen food section, you'll notice lots of cheap fish byproducts (like fish balls; I didn't know fish even had balls until I came here), cheap fatty bacon, hot dogs & sausages, ham (which is really more like Spam, but tastes even worse) and about the only frozen veges you'll see will be peas and chopped carrots.
Also, take note of the package sizes. You'll see that most are all on the small side and geared towards "single use". That's due in part to many people here not having electric in their homes, hence no refrigeration to store leftovers, but it's also a part of their mentality of not knowing if they'll have enough money "tomorrow" for the next meal and many of them think it's "cheaper" to buy the small single use products (when in fact it's usually more costly, but math isn't a strong point here).
And oh, I almost forgot; very nice ass on the girl you posted Sam!
{S N I P}Speaking of salt, it seems to be the major "spice" consumed here, that and MSG, LOL. They add a product called "Magic Sarap" to about everything; it's basically a powdered chicken bouillon that's high in both sodium and MSG. {S N I P}
You forgot that ubiquitous PI condiment bagoong (also very high in salt)! I have witnessed many a Pinay pigging out on just rice and bagoong.
Ikksman.
WestCoast1
04-06-15, 02:16
SNIP you'll notice lots of cheap fish byproducts (like fish balls; I didn't know fish even had balls until I came here),Fish balls. Chicken balls. Shrimp balls. Squid balls. And Kikiam balls (I didn't even know there was a kikiam critter). Pip apparently has not been thru NAIA T3 lately (where I snapped this pic recently).
WC.
Pip Jaeger
04-06-15, 02:25
You forgot that ubiquitous PI condiment bagoong (also very high in salt)! I have witnessed many a Pinay pigging out on just rice and bagoong. You're right bro, forgot about that. Bagoong reminds me of what you'll scrape out of a baby's [CodeWord132] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132) after you've fed it a large can of mashed kidney beans and then fermented the stuff in vinegar for a week or three.
Another ubiquitous condiment is multipurpose ketchup; used as a condiment here on about anything or add a copious amount of sugar and you've got what they actually label as "Filipino Style" spaghetti sauce, LOL.
Eidt = For some unknown reason the word "dia-per" when correctly spelled is "code worded"; it must be a cuss word somewhere, lol.
And many of my girls will kill about anything I cook with the hottest hot sauce I can buy (BTW, that's not to say I'm a bad cook; I'm actually quite good at it, so kindly spare me the puns and comments).
Bagoong reminds me of what you'll scrape out of a baby's dia-per after you've fed it a large can of mashed kidney beans and then fermented the stuff in vinegar for a week or three.And you think it's strange that your girls kill about anything you cook with the hottest hot sauce? LOL!
Sorry, couldn't resist. You didn't want puns and comments but if you write a post like that you can expect them!
BrainDrain
04-13-15, 08:28
Hi fellow mongers. I'm heading to Hong Kong in two weeks where I have been using some dating sites to find some dates. Not surprisingly there is a high proportion of Filipina domestic helpers and Indonesian helpers in the dating pool.
I thought I would post this question here as it relates more to the Filipina mind than to Hong Kong specifically.
As they are not strictly 'working' girls or freelancers, they are 'dates' they have assured me they are clean and sworn themselves off accepting the use of condoms.
I know I'm probably answering my own questions as I write this.
I'm going to leave this post here as I can really see how stupid I was to think that this was even a question. Meeting with girls whom are going to sleep with me on the first date within an hour of meeting and I'm thinking they are clean. Or low risk.
Silly, silly BrainDrain.
I'll pack a healthy supply of condoms before I leave home. No need to bring back any unwelcome souvenirs.
All the best.
BD.
FreebieFan
04-13-15, 09:11
I've been in many places in Cebu City, where Filipinos are packed shoulder to shoulder, have seen the families where dad is a day laborer or has no job and yet there are enough kidsto fill a jeepney, and I think that as long as this continues there will always be women open to my advances.Not forgetting that with about 5 million being born every year, that's about 2. 5 million females per year, or nearly 7,000 girls a day, every day are turning 18 countrywide. These are good numbers for us all!
Member #4387
04-13-15, 10:38
Hi fellow mongers. I'm heading to Hong Kong in two weeks where I have been using some dating sites to find some dates. Not surprisingly there is a high proportion of Filipina domestic helpers and Indonesian helpers in the dating pool.
I thought I would post this question here as it relates more to the Filipina mind than to Hong Kong specifically.
As they are not strictly 'working' girls or freelancers, they are 'dates' they have assured me they are clean and sworn themselves off accepting the use of condoms.
I know I'm probably answering my own questions as I write this.
I'm going to leave this post here as I can really see how stupid I was to think that this was even a question. Meeting with girls whom are going to sleep with me on the first date within an hour of meeting and I'm thinking they are clean. Or low risk.
Silly, silly BrainDrain.
I'll pack a healthy supply of condoms before I leave home. No need to bring back any unwelcome souvenirs.
All the best.
BD.I will get a lot of resistance writing this but I have been mongering now for a good 15 years and never did I caught anything. I don't jump on the worst risk ladies as in bargirls or bottom feeders freelancers. I get them historicaly as in semi pro or studentsgirl (or a combi) and I am a bad user of ding dongs (condoms). I hardly ever if I might say use a condom. Girls providing condoms I ask nicely to leave (with a few exceptions) as they are to proff to my likings.
The only girl gave me STD is back in 91, a fellow UNI girl student in Norway, she provided me with the claps (clamhydia). And I do check ups atleast 6-8 times a year at my doctor friends office. I do think we think "our" girls fuck more than they realy do. Atleast I am fine but i will do bare my vits and if I smell something fishy I'll pass.
BrainDrain
04-14-15, 06:18
I will get a lot of resistance writing this but I have been mongering now for a good 15 years and never did I caught anything. I don't jump on the worst risk ladies as in bargirls or bottom feeders freelancers. I get them historicaly as in semi pro or studentsgirl (or a combi) and I am a bad user of ding dongs (condoms). I hardly ever if I might say use a condom. Girls providing condoms I ask nicely to leave (with a few exceptions) as they are to proff to my likings.
.Thanks for the feedback and real life experience.
Hi fellow mongers. I'm heading to Hong Kong in two weeks where I have been using some dating sites to find some dates. Not surprisingly there is a high proportion of Filipina domestic helpers and Indonesian helpers in the dating pool.
I thought I would post this question here as it relates more to the Filipina mind than to Hong Kong specifically.
As they are not strictly 'working' girls or freelancers, they are 'dates' they have assured me they are clean and sworn themselves off accepting the use of condoms.
I have found the Pinay DHs in HK are generally clean, have not had sex recently (too many girls, not enough guys), and want you to use a condom. Of course they are in HK to provide an income stream for their kids and family. They won't risk losing this by getting pregnant unless they think that you are genuine husband material.
So this is very different to the Philippines!
Some DHs could also be classified as freelancers as they want to earn more money than the meagre DH income (after agent fees, loan repayments etc). They probably won't tell you this in their dating site correspondence.
Probably 75% of DHs have Sunday as their day off. You need to really trawl the dating sites (I mainly used HKC) to find DHs with different days off. One tactic is to tell the girls you need to go to China for family or other reasons on Sundays. Your correspondent may then put you in touch with girls who have other days free. When you are in HK there are places to visit (such as World Wide Plaza) any day of the week where you can pick up DH freebies.
Just my experience of 12 years living in Hong Kong and Shenzhen.
Ikksman.
For freelancers try Neptune 3 disco or New Makati Disco. Dress up nice with slacks and nice shirt. You can meet freebees or FL. Good luck.
Hi fellow mongers. I'm heading to Hong Kong in two weeks where I have been using some dating sites to find some dates. Not surprisingly there is a high proportion of Filipina domestic helpers and Indonesian helpers in the dating pool.
I thought I would post this question here as it relates more to the Filipina mind than to Hong Kong specifically.
As they are not strictly 'working' girls or freelancers, they are 'dates' they have assured me they are clean and sworn themselves off accepting the use of condoms.
I know I'm probably answering my own questions as I write this.
I'm going to leave this post here as I can really see how stupid I was to think that this was even a question. Meeting with girls whom are going to sleep with me on the first date within an hour of meeting and I'm thinking they are clean. Or low risk.
Silly, silly BrainDrain.
I'll pack a healthy supply of condoms before I leave home. No need to bring back any unwelcome souvenirs.
All the best.
BD.
BrainDrain
04-14-15, 21:31
For freelancers try Neptune 3 disco or New Makati Disco. Dress up nice with slacks and nice shirt. You can meet freebees or FL. Good luck.
Just my experience of 12 years living in Hong Kong and Shenzhen.
Ikksman.Thanks for the feedback gents. I have the issue with all of the girls I chat with being available on Sunday. SO much so that I was thinking of leaving HK during the week. I'll research the suggested ideas.
AussieGaigin
04-14-15, 21:54
Fish balls. Chicken balls. Shrimp balls. Squid balls. And Kikiam balls (I didn't even know there was a kikiam critter). Pip apparently has not been thru NAIA T3 lately (where I snapped this pic recently).
WC.I saw a packet of moth balls in my supermarket recently. They must have been giant moths. LOL.
Here is a useful summary of the potential expenses for any of you guys who have fallen for a filipina and want to take the next (big) step.
As you know divorce doesn't exist in the Philippines, so annulment of marriage is the only option if you are dead-set on marrying her.
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/much-annulments-cost-philippines-010015855.html?linkId=13563017
In my case, some 8 years ago now, prices were slightly lower but still cost me between 120 - 150 k (php) in fees alone (not counting travel costs).
An additional caveat: be sure to check that the woman seeking the annulment is actually legally married and the marriage is on record at the National Statistics Office (NSO). I have a friend who spent around 50 k on a host of preliminary stuff for an annulment only to find as part of the research that there was some glitch in registering the marriage and his filipina had never actually been legally married. There was no record in the NSO.
Only in the Philippines!
And furthermore, to make it worse, when a filipina is the proper weight for her size, she probably has her friends hammering on her that she's too skinny. To be considered chubby, they have to be obese. I been through hundreds of provinces in my travels across this country, and what I see walking home from the grade schools is not a good sign. I don't know where the next generation of slim ones are going to come from. Exhibit A. Gained 5-10 kilograms between the age of 18-19.Hmm, I am probably making a broad generalization off a small sample size. I'm in the Financial District area and have been outside during working hours and / or commute home time and I've noticed a lot of skinny working women. Perhaps the middle / upper class women are a little more trendy and are into fitness, looks, etc.
(Though I may be biased by my opinions of living in urban areas of California).
Pip Jaeger
04-16-15, 22:06
Here is a useful summary of the potential expenses for any of you guys who have fallen for a filipina and want to take the next (big) step.
As you know divorce doesn't exist in the Philippines, so annulment of marriage is the only option if you are dead-set on marrying her.
In my case, some 8 years ago now, prices were slightly lower but still cost me between 120 - 150 k (php) in fees alone (not counting travel costs).Thanks RK, it was an interesting read.
Although divorce in the Phils does not exist (yet) foreigners do at least have another option. A law enacted during the Macapagal-Arroyo administration stipulates that when a foreigner is married to a Filipino and obtains a divorce outside the Phils the divorce shall be recognized in the Phils (anyone interested in the specifics can Google it themselves). The result is that the Filipino is still considered "married" (and is therefore not able to legally re-marry), but the foreigner is free to marry again, even in the Philippines.
So, as a foreigner, why bother with a costly and time consuming annulment when you could get a divorce in another country, like HK, with relative ease (even if the marriage occurred in the Phils a person can still get a divorce in many other countries). The law may not have been applicable in your case RK as it may not have been enacted yet, but I'm sure many people are not aware of this laws existence; and you certainly can't expect an attorney here to inform you about it as they would not benefit from it.
BTW, it's my understanding that the law would also apply if two Filipino nationals married each other outside of the Phils.
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So, as a foreigner, why bother with a costly and time consuming annulment when you could get a divorce in another country, like HK, with relative ease (even if the marriage occurred in the Phils a person can still get a divorce in many other countries). The law may not have been applicable in your case RK as it may not have been enacted yet, but I'm sure many people are not aware of this laws existence; and you certainly can't expect an attorney here to inform you about it as they would not benefit from it.
Thanks for the update and clarification PJ.
That law was not in place when I was going down the divorce / annulment track. Luckily for me, we had a good lawyer friend in the province who explored all options and charged us the bare minimum (yet it still cost 150 k php).
Another option for a foreigner who wants to stay here with the advantages of a "permanent" visa, (such as a spouse visa), but wishes to avoid the costly and time-consuming annulment process, I advise you to opt for the Special Resident's Retiree Visa (SRRV). Since May 2011, the SRRV has been streamlined and is a much more attractive option than it was previously.
Many ISG members have posted on these advantages in this thread (see Kong King, for one).
Makeupaname
04-17-15, 04:54
It seem that law may help foreigners / filipinas divorcing, but it doesn't help with the most common situation, when the filipina was married to a filipino in the Phils. And now she wants an annulment so she can marry a foreigner. Am I reading this correctly?
It seem that law may help foreigners / filipinas divorcing, but it doesn't help with the most common situation, when the filipina was married to a filipino in the Phils. And now she wants an annulment so she can marry a foreigner. Am I reading this correctly?Only foreigners have these options.
For a filipino man and woman, married to each other in the Philippines, they need to undergo the long and arduous annulment journey.
I posted the original link because there are numerous foreign guys who decide they wish to marry a filipina whom they met on line or, perish the thought, in a bar, and discover she is married. It is almost always the foreigner who then has to pick up the costs of the annulment.
I merely wished to point out the costs accruing to the foreigner if he fits into that latter category.
Thanks, Red. I think I'll stay single. I don't see the benefit of marriage. Most of my married friends are bored or unhappy or miserable. A live-in arrangement might be tried but I think Pip has it right: recycle and rotate as needed. Have six or ten regulars. Also different girls in different cities like a sailor. Cheers, mate.
Only foreigners have these options.
For a filipino man and woman, married to each other in the Philippines, they need to undergo the long and arduous annulment journey.
I posted the original link because there are numerous foreign guys who decide they wish to marry a filipina whom they met on line or, perish the thought, in a bar, and discover she is married. It is almost always the foreigner who then has to pick up the costs of the annulment.
I merely wished to point out the costs accruing to the foreigner if he fits into that latter category..
Fastpiston
04-18-15, 03:36
Thanks, Red. I think I'll stay single. I don't see the benefit of marriage. Most of my married friends are bored or unhappy or miserable. A live-in arrangement might be tried but I think Pip has it right: recycle and rotate as needed. Have six or ten regulars. Also different girls in different cities like a sailor. Cheers, mate.
.So many people I know have married Filipina girls with Filipina kids in tow. The foreigners have all ended up totally messing up their lives.
The Filipina wives all had agendas: support their kids, support their families, get a foreign passport, start a local business (to support the family).
Buy a house (all houses and land cannot be owned by foreigners).
Often the actual biological Filipino father of the wife's kids is lurking in the background and presented to the foreign husband as a "cousin" that would like to be a driver etc.
What then goes on when the foreigner is not present is obvious.
As a foreigner, be aware that con-cubism laws apply. That is if a married foreign husband is caught going with another girl. He can be taken to court.
These are Catholic laws like from the times of the Inquisition and applies to both foreigners and Filipinos.
Yes, one gets a married and gets a Philippines Married visa, but you will have to then pay the Philippines citizens Departure Tax whenever you depart the Philippines.
It is very difficult to understand why foreigners get married to Filipinas in the Philippines.
They must be really, really lonely and walk into the commitment without thinking. After that it is too late.
GoodEnough
04-18-15, 04:36
So many people I know have married Filipina girls with Filipina kids in tow. The foreigners have all ended up totally messing up their lives.FP, while I understand the point you're making in your post, my experience siggests that its sweeping generalizations are not, in fact, always valid. In the decade plus that I've spent here I've known dozens of expats married to Filipinas--many with children from prior marriages--whose relationships are strong and happy. I think that the ultimate success of marital partnerships here (and likely elsewhere) depends less on that nationality of either partner, and more on the commitment to the relationship and the mutual understandings developed prior to he decision to get married. Valid generalizations are always difficult and in the case of expat-Filipina relationships, perhaps each relationship should be more appropriately judged in and of itself.
Having said that however, I'm not entirely sure why even those deciding to get married would get married here, which would automatically deny the possibility of divorce. Easy enough I think to head to Singapore or elsewhere in region for a civil ceremony that's perfectly legal, recognized here, cand remains dissolvable if circumstances so require.
GE.
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Having said that however, I'm not entirely sure why even those deciding to get married would get married here, which would automatically deny the possibility of divorce. Easy enough I think to head to Singapore or elsewhere in region for a civil ceremony that's perfectly legal, recognized here, cand remains dissolvable if circumstances so require.
I agree absolutely with everything GE says.
FP's generalization (like almost all generalizations) is not accurate, although I must admit he is not far off the mark.
In my case, I waited 7 years with my filipina until I was assured of her "agenda" (or lack thereof) and then tied the knot in Australia. I have never regretted it.
So many people I know have married Filipina girls with Filipina kids in tow. The foreigners have all ended up totally messing up their lives.
The Filipina wives all had agendas: support their kids, support their families, get a foreign passport, start a local business (to support the family).
Buy a house (all houses and land cannot be owned by foreigners).
Often the actual biological Filipino father of the wife's kids is lurking in the background and presented to the foreign husband as a "cousin" that would like to be a driver etc.
What then goes on when the foreigner is not present is obvious.
As a foreigner, be aware that con-cubism laws apply. That is if a married foreign husband is caught going with another girl. He can be taken to court.
These are Catholic laws like from the times of the Inquisition and applies to both foreigners and Filipinos.
Yes, one gets a married and gets a Philippines Married visa, but you will have to then pay the Philippines citizens Departure Tax whenever you depart the Philippines.
It is very difficult to understand why foreigners get married to Filipinas in the Philippines.
They must be really, really lonely and walk into the commitment without thinking. After that it is too late.I agree great post you stated true accounts of how foreigner lack of knowledge brings them a world of hurt financial and mentally. Philippines law are so one-sided but you must respect the rich Politian ensure their most naturally resources beautiful Filipina woman can get life time support from unsuspecting foreigner with marriage and family trap social security type of financial support. Which begins with yes I do! If marriage is possible future understand you have no rights in the Philippines, so maybe consider other option such as saying I do in your own country!
Fastpiston
04-20-15, 02:45
FP, while I understand the point you're making in your post, my experience siggests that its sweeping generalizations are not, in fact, always valid. In the decade plus that I've spent here I've known dozens of expats married to Filipinas--many with children from prior marriages--whose relationships are strong and happy. I think that the ultimate success of marital partnerships here (and likely elsewhere) depends less on that nationality of either partner, and more on the commitment to the relationship and the mutual understandings developed prior to he decision to get married. Valid generalizations are always difficult and in the case of expat-Filipina relationships, perhaps each relationship should be more appropriately judged in and of itself.
Having said that however, I'm not entirely sure why even those deciding to get married would get married here, which would automatically deny the possibility of divorce. Easy enough I think to head to Singapore or elsewhere in region for a civil ceremony that's perfectly legal, recognized here, cand remains dissolvable if circumstances so require.
GE.GE:
Yes, I intentionally did generalize. One has to do that when the vast majority need to be far more attentive about what they are doing if they get married in the Philippines.
Solutions are already being posted that make sense in alleviating problems e. G. Get married elsewhere such as in Singapore.
And / or live with a girl for a number of years to open up the agendas / hidden issues (note that often it may be the problematic agenda of the girl's family and not the girl herself).
Again, bottom line, the advice is BE VERY VERY CAREFUL before walking into legal commitments in the Philippines.
Think with the head and not something else.
Of course there have been successful marriages (assuming they are telling the truth. I have met some who go into denial).
But the vast majority that I have met have ended up ship wrecked.
http://www.rappler.com/views/imho/90791-get-rid-filipino-time?utm_content=bufferea278&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Fairly even-handed approach to the topic about "filipinas always late".
Great Muta
04-23-15, 20:17
I spent a couple of nights in a RP provincial town on a biz trip recently. Two nights, three ladies, it was kind of hectic. Two of the girls came through WeChat and I had Added them both. Adding a few likes and comments on their various pics. I thought the security on WeChat was such that other friends couldn't see the activity on other accounts. Oh well, over time and being a small provincial town where these girls are they have become friends through WeChat. As soon as they have friended each other, they start to see the replies of the each other to me. Talk about a little jealousy. I'm glad I'm 5.000 kms away.
Work might take me back there soon, I'll be sure to log out of WeChat before I hit town.
BD.Not only is the Philippines a small place, but everyone knows each other. I see so many girls there with 1000-2000 FB friends. I had online flings with one of my girls past good friends without even knowing. Two of them were just super cuties and the other was hot but got fat and didn't have the time.
Makeupaname
04-24-15, 03:14
I haven't been to the Phil yetBut most of your posts are about the Philippines and filipinas?
But most of your posts are about the Philippines and filipinas?He goes there every night. In his wet dreams!
Not only is the Philippines a small place, but everyone knows each other. I see so many girls there with 1000-2000 FB friends. I had online flings with one of my girls past good friends without even knowing. Two of them were just super cuties and the other was hot but got fat and didn't have the time.Err, I hate FB and don't use it. Just because someone has 1,000-2,000 FB Friends doesn't mean they know them all. Some people just accept all friend requests.
You have experience with filipinos at school and at work. Don't you find that tardiness is mostly an issue in social situations? Ten of thousands of call center workers report to work on time. Not to mention older occuptions such as nursing. I know that the motorcycle dealer, including parts department and repair shop, will be open as scheduled in the morning and after lunch. The tardiness that we experience I take to be an attitude toward interpersonal relationships, especially on the part of young women who have failed at school and work. What's your experience?
http://www.rappler.com/views/imho/90791-get-rid-filipino-time?utm_content=bufferea278&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Fairly even-handed approach to the topic about "filipinas always late".
You have experience with filipinos at school and at work. Don't you find that tardiness is mostly an issue in social situations? Ten of thousands of call center workers report to work on time. Not to mention older occuptions such as nursing. I know that the motorcycle dealer, including parts department and repair shop, will be open as scheduled in the morning and after lunch. The tardiness that we experience I take to be an attitude toward interpersonal relationships, especially on the part of young women who have failed at school and work. What's your experience?I posted the link without comment because I thought it covered most "issues".
You're mostly correct Chea in that it is NOT an issue for pinoys if the rules regarding being "on time" are spelled out clearly and the consequences of always being late are also clear.
My colleagues and my workmates know that I start meetings and workshops on time; they know that if they are late they will miss out on important things and will also be seen by everyone when they try to "sneak" in unnoticed. They learn very quickly, once there are sanctions for being late. Filipinos working in Australia and NZ are renowned for being diligent workers and also for being punctual.
As you say. It is primarily a "learned behavior", so it can also be "unlearned" or "re-trained".
The take-out for mongers is this: Be very explicit in the time that she should arrive. Allow (say) 10 minutes for possible unexpected delays but even then, make some comment about her being late. Anything more than that, just text her, cancel and say that you are not waiting any longer, and if she is really hot, then suggest you schedule another day.
The irony is that we are almost always early to appointments (by 5 or 10 mins). They simple cannot understand doing that.
A final point as mentioned by another poster some time ago: filipinas assume that all foreigners are on holiday so time is not an issue for us. We have all day to wait around for them, so they don't know why we are making a fuss.
WestCoast1
04-25-15, 06:36
The take-out for mongers is this: Be very explicit in the time that she should arrive. Allow (say) 10 minutes for possible unexpected delays but even then, make some comment about her being late. Anything more than that, just text her, cancel and say that you are not waiting any longer, and if she is really hot, then suggest you schedule another day.I have had some real success cutting down tardiness, even in heavily-trafficked Manila / Cebu. I tell the girls in advance several things, including these:
1. Its better you be 3 hours early than 1 minute late.
2. In my culture, late even 1 minute = rude. Doesn't matter if this is true or not.
3. I'm not pinoy; pinoy accept tardiness while my culture does not. Doesn't matter if this is true or not.
4. I will wait 15 minutes only, then depart. I will txt her when I depart and ask if she would like to re-schedule a different day. I tell them in advance that if they are more than 15 minutes late, I will refuse to meet them on that day, then do it.
5. If she arrives early, she can txt and then I will depart the hotel to meet up with her.
I started with this about 2 years ago. It has cut down on a lot of tardiness. I noticed something else. I usually meet in a mall in a public place. Sometimes I'm in the mall much earlier than planned (maybe 2 or 3 hours). Sometimes I see the girl hanging around the mall, window shopping. She's come all the way from QC to Malate, and paid attention to my telling her that its better to be a few hours early than any bit late. Walking away if she's late ensures that she will go home empty-handed (possibly angry over losing p20 in jeep fare), but she won't be late the next time (nor will the girls she refers to me -- she will fore-worn them). These things sound strict (they are), but they have cut the tardiness to near zero.
A question for you expats: Do pinay show up on time for professional appointments (doctor, dentist appointments)?
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A question for you expats: Do pinay show up on time for professional appointments (doctor, dentist appointments)?Very few of these professional services make appointments in advance. It's common for doctor's rooms to be "first come first served". Dentists have a fairly flexible arrangement, and I have always been able to just walk-in and get service from the dentista that I patronise.
Doctors have probably realized it's a waste of time making appointments because people don't keep to the appointed time so it becomes open slather.
One interesting aspect of air travel is that pinoys often get to the airport many hours before their flights. Prior to Easter my maid left my condo at midnight to catch a 6. 30 flight because she didn't want to be late, despite me telling her that between midnight and 5 am the trip to NAIA was around 30 minutes.
One interesting aspect of air travel is that pinoys often get to the airport many hours before their flights. Prior to Easter my maid left my condo at midnight to catch a 6. 30 flight because she didn't want to be late, despite me telling her that between midnight and 5 am the trip to NAIA was around 30 minutes.And the planes are departing at 'Filipino time' also, so they are waiting for hours and hours LOL!
I arrived in Kuala Lumpur two nights ago. Yesterday evening, I stopped by a bar in the popular Bukit Buntang area and sat next to several girls who turned out to be Filipinas. Eventually, I began a conversation with one of them. She told me that her hometown was Cebu and met her new found friends after she arrived here. On the very remote chance that she was not a WG / FL, I asked her what she was doing for work in KL, and she told me that she was on holiday. I doubted that to be the truth but played along for a while, partially amused by her deceit. The rare thing was they were all drinking wine and wine regardless of where you go in MY. Wine is expensive so gave her, temporarily, the benefit of the doubt.
After a time, they all started to leave and my girl asked if I wanted to join her in their prowl down the street. I reluctantly agreed because I thought that her plan was to go with me to my apartment and I was just not interested in her look. At another bar, her friend asked me if I was going with this girl as she had left briefly. Whereupon, I said no that I don't pay for sex. What a whopper!
So the inevitable happened as I told her I was ready to go back to my place. She said she wanted to come back with me so finally I asked her how much for long time. She quoted me $400 ringgits or about $120 USD. I suppose if I found her really hot, I might have considered it. For what it is worth, I am under the impression that is a fair price in KL. Anyway, we continued our conversation and she told me that she was returning to Cebu in a month and still lived with her parents and was not allowed to drink in their house as she had several younger sister siblings and was expected to present a good example to them.
She also said that she has a degree in computer science and hoped to get her old job back in this field when she returned.
I thought it might be worth an effort to try to just be friends with her so invited her over the next day to use my pool. When I contacted her the following morning, she asked if coming over to the pool also included some private time with her. I said probably not and she responded that she was not interested to come by and did not want to waste her time. My final assessment is she a hardcore pro who has some intelligence and enough nerve to leave Cebu for greener pastures.
So I found this whole deal interesting, if she is telling me the truth, as it appears when she returns, she will play the role of a virgin and more than likely tells her parents she earned all this money in KL working on computers or in an office.
And the planes are departing at 'Filipino time' also, so they are waiting for hours and hours LOL!
I arrived in Kuala Lumpur two nights ago. Yesterday evening, I stopped by a bar in the popular Bukit Buntang area and sat next to several girls who turned out to be Filipinas. Eventually, I began a conversation with one of them. She told me that her hometown was Cebu and met her new found friends after she arrived here. On the very remote chance that she was not a WG / FL, I asked her what she was doing for work in KL, and she told me that she was on holiday. I doubted that to be the truth but played along for a while, partially amused by her deceit. The rare thing was they were all drinking wine and wine regardless of where you go in MY. Wine is expensive so gave her, temporarily, the benefit of the doubt.
After a time, they all started to leave and my girl asked if I wanted to join her in their prowl down the street. I reluctantly agreed because I thought that her plan was to go with me to my apartment and I was just not interested in her look. At another bar, her friend asked me if I was going with this girl as she had left briefly. Whereupon, I said no that I don't pay for sex. What a whopper!
So the inevitable happened as I told her I was ready to go back to my place. She said she wanted to come back with me so finally I asked her how much for long time. She quoted me $400 ringgits or about $120 USD. I suppose if I found her really hot, I might have considered it. For what it is worth, I am under the impression that is a fair price in KL. Anyway, we continued our conversation and she told me that she was returning to Cebu in a month and still lived with her parents and was not allowed to drink in their house as she had several younger sister siblings and was expected to present a good example to them.
She also said that she has a degree in computer science and hoped to get her old job back in this field when she returned.
I thought it might be worth an effort to try to just be friends with her so invited her over the next day to use my pool. When I contacted her the following morning, she asked if coming over to the pool also included some private time with her. I said probably not and she responded that she was not interested to come by and did not want to waste her time. My final assessment is she a hardcore pro who has some intelligence and enough nerve to leave Cebu for greener pastures.
So I found this whole deal interesting, if she is telling me the truth, as it appears when she returns, she will play the role of a virgin and more than likely tells her parents she earned all this money in KL working on computers or in an office.No different than us Ho-toring around the world. Smart girl knowing where the money is. Isn't it the same when we get home and tell a different story about our activities?
And ditto.
I kind of sort she would be fun to hang with, which is why I invited her, and her cohorts, to my pool. However, Jenna, and her gal pals, are a bit too chunky for me to lay out that kind of cash so I wanted to be clear that no extracurricular activities or my $$ would be forthcoming. Regrettably, with many of them, it's only about the money. But would not be surprised to see her again.
Speaking for myself, all my friends know what I am doing on my Ho-toring RTW. Not glossing it over except for olde Auntie Emma.
No different than us Ho-toring around the world. Smart girl knowing where the money is. Isn't it the same when we get home and tell a different story about our activities?
Great Muta
04-29-15, 15:00
But most of your posts are about the Philippines and filipinas?There's this thing called the internet. It's a great way to meet people. Have you tried it?
Great Muta
04-29-15, 15:01
He goes there every night. In his wet dreams!Prove it. Please show me your facts that say I'm full of shit aside from your mouth. Don't be hatin.
FreebieFan
04-30-15, 01:55
. L, I asked her what she was doing for work in KL, and she told me that she was on holiday. .Filipina on vacation in KL. Thats a funny one.
With the exception of the rich, Filipinas take vacations in Boracay and Bohol.
Ask a vacationing Filipina where the tourist sights are, and they generally haven't a clue. Ie. They are working.
Makeupaname
04-30-15, 03:05
There's this thing called the internet. It's a great way to meet people. Have you tried it?I actually go to the Philippines, Hong Kong, Macau and China. Any advice I might give is based off real experience.
BrainDrain
04-30-15, 08:05
I have found the Pinay DHs in HK are generally clean, have not had sex recently (too many girls, not enough guys), and want you to use a condom. Of course they are in HK to provide an income stream for their kids and family. They won't risk losing this by getting pregnant unless they think that you are genuine husband material.
Ikksman.Just back from Hong Kong where I managed to meet up with two DH.
The first I messaged after I arrived at the airport and she came to my hotel room. We had chatted quite a bit on Skype prior. She was ready for sex and lots of it. OMG at times I thought it was extreme to expect so much of an old guy, even with 100 gm of Vit V.
I needed to send her on her way by 8 am, I really was shagged. We chatted a little before she left and she showed me a picture of another girl that she had seen me make a FB comment about. She put two and two together and thought I might be seeing this other girl too. Of course, I denied and went to my 'office'.
An hour later my other girl did turn up, kind of freaky. She had the body of a 25 year old but she was 40. In her case, she was an Indo. Very pretty and also under-sexed. But it was different with her, although she wanted lots of penetration she was more fun, less demanding. She left about 2 pm.
One Sunday I swung by Central station and was amazed at the number of Filipina sitting, congregating, outdoor karaoke all around that place. Good vibes for a future visit.
However I can quickly tell that HK is a small place. It wouldn't take too many Filipina dates before friends of friends would work out what is going on.
My impression of HK were very positive.
As for my condom concerns, both ladies were happy with the condom the first time but quickly insisted that they would prefer bareback.
Enjoy!
Member #4387
05-01-15, 05:27
I don't know how they do it but in 10 minutes (I clocked the time) a girl managed to call me 17 times and send 11 texts (hey, where are you, what you doing, you want to meet me and my friend, very sexy friend, answer please, Hello, are you awake, please please can we come, we have time now, my friend so horny). She has load that's for sure. I don't answer calls and ahe should know that but can just not help herself. This is crazy isn't it? Anyone?
I don't know how they do it but in 10 minutes (I clocked the time) a girl managed to call me 17 times and send 11 texts (hey, where are you, what you doing, you want to meet me and my friend, very sexy friend, answer please, Hello, are you awake, please please can we come, we have time now, my friend so horny). She has load that's for sure. I don't answer calls and ahe should know that but can just not help herself. This is crazy isn't it? Anyone?They pay like 15-20 pesos a day for unlimited texts and a bunch of free calls. It's a true national obsession and that's most people's greatest form of entertainment. It's better than substance abuse, I guess!
My method is to give just a hug and smell my finger in that position. Many girls get offended if they find out you are doing the smell test.
...Snip....One girl flew off the handle when I mentioned it saying she did not have sex for more than a year and I am telling her that she is a prostitute.I've said this before, and I have no proof, it's just a guess. When you're eating all this dead food, your gut is going to be dead and loaded with bad bacteria. The only Filipinas I've ever been with are all relatively poor, none were even semi pros, and all were very low mileage. All very clean, and I've never caught even a drip, so I doubt if any were infected. One of them hadn't had sex in 3 years, and others up to a year. And I'd say 20+% had some odor. None stinky, just something. Here's the first thing that came up when I did a google search. Again, not scientific, but here's what she had to say;.
"Unhealthy lifestyle.
The health of your body as a whole affects the health of your vagina as well. If you consistently eat a diet of fast food, drink soda all the time, and never exercise, chances are your body isn't in a very healthy state. Something as simple as a poor diet can lead to a smelly vaginal odor. This is easy to fix with a few lifestyle changes. Try to eat less fast food and more fruits and vegetables. Fruits especially will give your vagina a nice fragrance. Finally, drinking enough water, as in 8 to 10 glasses a day, will help flush the toxins from your body and keep you feeling fresh, avoiding a smelly vagina. It's worth the changes you'll have to make, because when your vagina smells and feels good, you'll be much happier".
Great Muta
05-07-15, 20:02
I actually go to the Philippines, Hong Kong, Macau and China. Any advice I might give is based off real experience.There's this thing called the internet. You are using it now. Women go on it. You can find them through it.
FreebieFan
05-08-15, 02:30
I don't know how they do it but in 10 minutes (I clocked the time) a girl managed to call me 17 times and send 11 texts (hey, where are you, what you doing, you want to meet me and my friend, very sexy friend, answer please, Hello, are you awake, please please can we come, we have time now, my friend so horny). She has load that's for sure. I don't answer calls and ahe should know that but can just not help herself. This is crazy isn't it? Anyone?Totally crazy, always is. And its generally ONLY in the Philippines. Never happens to me in China, Malaysia, HK, Cambodia or Indonesia. There the ladies seem to be able to entertain themselves a tad better. But in a country where the tv shows are, shall we be kind and say lacking in content.
Where there are million of under or unemployed, where texts cost next to nothing, where theres a low boredom threshold, reason and reasonable behaviour goes out the window.
The message that both amuses and irritates the most is " where are you, I'm here ". Honey I have no idea where your particular here is unless you give me some more information.
Member #4351
05-08-15, 15:30
The message that both amuses and irritates the most is " where are you, I'm here ". Honey I have no idea where your particular here is unless you give me some more information.So true. They always do that.
Commonglass
05-19-15, 02:06
Has anyone slept with one of their Pinay employees? Is that a common practice? I would NEVER touch one of my employees in the US because of liability and work bullshit, but I'm tempted to do that in the Philippines.
One of the ladies I'm corresponding with on FC seems lukewarm on me, but red hot on employment at my Philippines office. I'm wondering if some extra benefits are assumed. I would not be an asshole about it, of course. However, I remember one of my Thai workers (female) berating me for not sleeping with one of my other Thai employees. "Why haven't you dated her?? Is there something wrong with her?
Yes you will be an asshole if you "assume" that any employee is sexually available. I recall a friend complaining about unwanted touching by her boss as cashier at a neighborhood bakery. She had no recourse except to quit the job, which she did. So don't assume, get it straight when hiring. If hiring through an agency, especially for a household maid, the agency can prescreen. Or so I've heard. I personally do not want intimacy with any employee, because of the possible complicatiions. I briefly employed as housekeeper a former bed partner. She assured me she would be okay with the sight of other girls. But it turned out she could not enter the house when there was an extra pair of shoes outside the door. I won't even bed someone from the near neighborhood. That's the way they are. I'm sure the Thai are not much different when it comes to workplace harassment.
Has anyone slept with one of their Pinay employees? Is that a common practice? I would NEVER touch one of my employees in the US because of liability and work bullshit, but I'm tempted to do that in the Philippines.
One of the ladies I'm corresponding with on FC seems lukewarm on me, but red hot on employment at my Philippines office. I'm wondering if some extra benefits are assumed. I would not be an asshole about it, of course. However, I remember one of my Thai workers (female) berating me for not sleeping with one of my other Thai employees. "Why haven't you dated her?? Is there something wrong with her?
GoodEnough
05-19-15, 07:27
Has anyone slept with one of their Pinay employees? Is that a common practice? I would NEVER touch one of my employees in the US because of liability and work bullshit, but I'm tempted to do that in the Philippines.
One of the ladies I'm corresponding with on FC seems lukewarm on me, but red hot on employment at my Philippines office. I'm wondering if some extra benefits are assumed. I would not be an asshole about it, of course. However, I remember one of my Thai workers (female) berating me for not sleeping with one of my other Thai employees. "Why haven't you dated her?? Is there something wrong with her?I strongly advise you to drop all consideration of bedding someone you hire, or worse, making sleeping with you a condition of providing employment. There are several reasons for this, not the least of which is she can cause you all sorts of legal pain by merely contending sexual harassment. You're a foreigner and DOLE could, on the basis of a complaint from her, be on you like white on rice. Second, of course, everyone who works for you would know of the sexual relationship from its very start which would make you an instant subject of chismis, and would erode whatever respect they have for you. It would, in short, poison the work environment. Third of course is the whole moral issue of making employment contingent on the granting of sexual access. It's just wrong. .
GE.
Commonglass
05-19-15, 13:54
I hear you guys. It's off the table. There are plenty of willing dating partners anyhow.
I strongly advise you to drop all consideration of bedding someone you hire, or worse, making sleeping with you a condition of providing employment. There are several reasons for this, not the least of which is she can cause you all sorts of legal pain by merely contending sexual harassment. You're a foreigner and DOLE could, on the basis of a complaint from her, be on you like white on rice. Second, of course, everyone who works for you would know of the sexual relationship from its very start which would make you an instant subject of chismis, and would erode whatever respect they have for you. It would, in short, poison the work environment. Third of course is the whole moral issue of making employment contingent on the granting of sexual access. It's just wrong. .
GE.
Member #4351
05-19-15, 15:52
Commonglass, you will find its extremely common in the Philippines that most girls will ask you if you are working in the country, have a company or know someone who does. It is hard to imagine how difficult finding a job is for the girls.
Streetlooker
05-19-15, 23:23
I strongly advise you to drop all consideration of bedding someone you hire, or worse, making sleeping with you a condition of providing employment. There are several reasons for this, not the least of which is she can cause you all sorts of legal pain by merely contending sexual harassment. You're a foreigner and DOLE could, on the basis of a complaint from her, be on you like white on rice. Second, of course, everyone who works for you would know of the sexual relationship from its very start which would make you an instant subject of chismis, and would erode whatever respect they have for you. It would, in short, poison the work environment. Third of course is the whole moral issue of making employment contingent on the granting of sexual access. It's just wrong. .
GE.Its the never bang the maid rule, they are there for the house work, and running errands, and things like that. Plenty of other girls there for sex. Its always best to leave business has business.
Its the never bang the maid rule, they are there for the house work, and running errands, and things like that. Plenty of other girls there for sex. Its always best to leave business has business.If you live in a condo don't bang the neighbours' maids either. They don't get stopped at the front desk and they'll be knocking on your door whenever they feel like it.
Wise. I stopped banging my Fili PA (ask WR about her) when I started pushing more real responsibilities onto her. She manages bank accounts and all that. Better not to add pussy to the mix.
Its the never bang the maid rule, they are there for the house work, and running errands, and things like that. Plenty of other girls there for sex. Its always best to leave business has business.
Wicked Roger
05-20-15, 09:25
Wise. I stopped banging my Fili PA (ask WR about her) when I started pushing more real responsibilities onto her. She manages bank accounts and all that. Better not to add pussy to the mix.I agree with all the comments but cannot chastise Cons for shagging his PA as I found her the job with him (she is an intelligent, articulate and sexy pinay).
She loves the nawty side (well did) and the flashback to when we DPed her and had 2 other bi sexual pinays to deviriginise her in your apartment one weekend are memories made for life.
But still best not go anywhere near an employee anywhere but especially in this country as GE noted for a number of reasons.
I strongly advise you to drop all consideration of bedding someone you hire, or worse, making sleeping with you a condition of providing employment. There are several reasons for this, not the least of which is she can cause you all sorts of legal pain by merely contending sexual harassment. You're a foreigner and DOLE could, on the basis of a complaint from her, be on you like white on rice. Second, of course, everyone who works for you would know of the sexual relationship from its very start which would make you an instant subject of chismis, and would erode whatever respect they have for you. It would, in short, poison the work environment. Third of course is the whole moral issue of making employment contingent on the granting of sexual access. It's just wrong. .
GE.I find this a very interesting topic (base on a couple of life experiences) Firstly I completely agree "making sleeping with you a condition of employee" or any sexual harassment is a no go area, as has been said by many there're many fish in the sea.
However I've been caught in the trap, of sleeping with hired help, NO force involved, and very very fortunately there have not been any consequences, many of you on this forum are widely traveled through business and some are ex-pats living aboard so its an easy trap to fall into and has been said be warned the world is a very different place than my first ex-pat assignment, where I had a very cosy arrangement with my maid and her sister (actually a cousin).
Its a long story that I won't tire you all with but I remain good friends with them both after nearly 30 years (even godfather to one of there children) the reason I write this is the old story about being truthful, I read hundreds of stories here about guys being rip off, lied to or cheated in some way, all true but I equally know as many girls who have been gullible in believing bullshit love stories from lame guys, so its little wonder they get a hard edge about them especially if they have been a working girl for some time.
Anyway guy's in a round about way you got me thinking about how many, co-workers, employees of business associates, that of slept with over the years, all great times.
Happy Hunting and always be kind to the ladies.
Was going to put this question in General Info, but saw all the discussions about maids and wanted to get some advice on hiring.
I've settled into the BGC area and my apartment is kinda big around 240 sq meters. I am used to cleaning my own apartments, but seems like the cost-benefit ratio in PI makes sense to hire someone.
Anyone have any advice / recommendations?
(I might just go the cleaning service route as well.).
Was going to put this question in General Info, but saw all the discussions about maids and wanted to get some advice on hiring.
I've settled into the BGC area and my apartment is kinda big around 240 sq meters. I am used to cleaning my own apartments, but seems like the cost-benefit ratio in PI makes sense to hire someone.
Anyone have any advice / recommendations?
(I might just go the cleaning service route as well.).Yeah, 249 sqm seems a tad large.
This is the most important attribute of household staff: Discretion. If she is going to blab to visitors about your life and those others in your life then no tidy flat is worth that. That being said, the front desk staff will likely spill the beans to a girl who asks.
Re a cleaning service, it's hit and miss. Those I hired and didn't supervise / inspect did a mediocre job, namely female hairs were still easily seen. Of course you can blame the workers when a visitor finds them. I've paid p500 for a person to come in for a few hours. That was for about 2 hours of work, my inspection, and another 30-60 minutes to clean up what was missed.
For my own peace of mind and conflict avoidance I tidy up a few times a day.
Roll Aides
05-30-15, 17:17
Was going to put this question in General Info, but saw all the discussions about maids and wanted to get some advice on hiring.
I've settled into the BGC area and my apartment is kinda big around 240 sq meters. I am used to cleaning my own apartments, but seems like the cost-benefit ratio in PI makes sense to hire someone.
Anyone have any advice / recommendations?
(I might just go the cleaning service route as well.).If you can afford an apartment that size, I suggest you get it cleaned by your live-in harem. I believe there is advice here on the forum about engaging legal help to avoid concubinism liabilities. Frankly I don't see any reason not to dual-purpose a maid / fuckslut, contrary to recent posts here. If there is any difference between what you want and what you're getting, just re-hire.
Yeah, 249 sqm seems a tad large.
This is the most important attribute of household staff: Discretion. If she is going to blab to visitors about your life and those others in your life then no tidy flat is worth that. That being said, the front desk staff will likely spill the beans to a girl who asks.
Re a cleaning service, it's hit and miss. Those I hired and didn't supervise / inspect did a mediocre job, namely female hairs were still easily seen. Of course you can blame the workers when a visitor finds them. I've paid p500 for a person to come in for a few hours. That was for about 2 hours of work, my inspection, and another 30-60 minutes to clean up what was missed.
For my own peace of mind and conflict avoidance I tidy up a few times a day.Thanks Huts and Roll.
While I could afford the 500 / day on the cleaning service, I want someone to clean everyday. My sleep schedule is mid-morning to mid-afternoon, but varies and so it may make the cleaning service route inconvenient. I'm leaning towards the domestic servant / maid even with some of the pitfalls of potential blabbing. It's a multi-bedroom apartment and if I have visitors, I'm sure the maid can stay on the other side of the apartment rather easily without being noticed. Haven't really thought through the "gossip" pitfalls, but I'm sure I'll trip on something as I learn my way.
(LOL, absolutely no-go on the maid / fuckslut route. Having someone around like that 24-7 would be annoying to me.).
I'm leaning towards the domestic servant / maid even with some of the pitfalls of potential blabbing. It's a multi-bedroom apartment and if I have visitors, I'm sure the maid can stay on the other side of the apartment rather easily without being noticed. A live-in maid is very affordable. I know it's not uncommon for a maid to live in the laundry room, so giving her a proper bedroom is a nice perk; put a TV in it. I had live-in help when I worked in the Gulf and the main problem I encountered was their pilfering of food and household supplies to sell to their compatriots; one of my maids went so far as to start her own catering business selling my food to guards and others in the neighbourhood. If you have the expectation that she'll cook something more than her native food you'll want to verify she has done so in the past competently, not merely that she's willing to learn. Some friends on mine who employ maids who cook Western dishes well pay them more than a basic maid. You may want to review Title III WORKING CONDITIONS FOR SPECIAL GROUPS OF EMPLOYEES, Chapter III EMPLOYMENT OF HOUSEHELPERS at http://www.dole.gov.ph/labor_codes/view/4.
A live-in maid is very affordable. I know it's not uncommon for a maid to live in the laundry room, so giving her a proper bedroom is a nice perk; put a TV in it. I had live-in help when I worked in the Gulf and the main problem I encountered was their pilfering of food and household supplies to sell to their compatriots; one of my maids went so far as to start her own catering business selling my food to guards and others in the neighbourhood. If you have the expectation that she'll cook something more than her native food you'll want to verify she has done so in the past competently, not merely that she's willing to learn. Some friends on mine who employ maids who cook Western dishes well pay them more than a basic maid. You may want to review Title III WORKING CONDITIONS FOR SPECIAL GROUPS OF EMPLOYEES, Chapter III EMPLOYMENT OF HOUSEHELPERS at http://www.dole.gov.ph/labor_codes/view/4.I'm not 100% sure how demanding other employers are of their maids, but if and when I hire someone. They are getting a relatively easy job. Two negatives: 20+ ft high ceilings and the apartment is large (the balcony is probably another 100+ sq m). My requests are very little though: keep the place clean daily and laundry (1 person) is the extent. No need to cook for me and possibly using the spare bedroom if there aren't out-of-town guests visiting.
Realistically, if someone worked efficiently. It's probably 2-3 hours a work a day. Slowly working, it's probably double that.
The building is pretty secure with rules in place on household help. IDs required, must use the service elevator, must check out with security when leaving etc.
Pinaypounder
06-22-15, 00:30
I agree with all the comments but cannot chastise Cons for shagging his PA as I found her the job with him (she is an intelligent, articulate and sexy pinay).
She loves the nawty side (well did) and the flashback to when we DPed her and had 2 other bi sexual pinays to deviriginise her in your apartment one weekend are memories made for life.
But still best not go anywhere near an employee anywhere but especially in this country as GE noted for a number of reasons.Next trip I expect to meet this one!
PP.
How do I apply?
I'm not 100% sure how demanding other employers are of their maids, but if and when I hire someone. They are getting a relatively easy job. Two negatives: 20+ ft high ceilings and the apartment is large (the balcony is probably another 100+ sq m). My requests are very little though: keep the place clean daily and laundry (1 person) is the extent. No need to cook for me and possibly using the spare bedroom if there aren't out-of-town guests visiting.
Realistically, if someone worked efficiently. It's probably 2-3 hours a work a day. Slowly working, it's probably double that.
The building is pretty secure with rules in place on household help. IDs required, must use the service elevator, must check out with security when leaving etc.
These little darlings are so precious. I was on the elevator today with a gorgeous little doll, and I was telling her how cold it gets where I come from in the USA. She asked "Is it December there now?" I only smiled and told her "not yet, but soon. ".
Offshore Swell
07-23-15, 10:48
Is it just me or do fat Filipinas really plot to block me at my every turn. Is this a national pastime that nobody else has noticed?
Here are a few examples of classic Behaviour.
Take my experience wandering along in the airport passageway behind a pair of larger bottomed Filipina travellers. All big rubbing thighs jammed into tight jeans and backpacks. OS, recognising his superior ground speed to this duo, sets up his passing manouvre, planning a smooth passage to the right, one, two, three go!
Suddenly they both lurch over that way and spread out, taking up the whole passageway. OS hits the brakes and reduces speed to snail pace while our this gormless pair wander down the way, waddling randomly left and right to control the space for another 30 meters or so before the passageway widens and it becomes dimensionally impossible for them to maintain their grip on the passage. Go, go go!
Or the close confines of a JCO store where OS has been assigned the task of securing donuts. Time is of the essence as Miss Bukidnon is reclining naked in my bed in nearby hotel and is desirous of OS's affections.
Again a quick sly pass down the back of this lady who has taken up position between OS and the cashier and is mesmerized by the donuts.
This time, as I make my move she reverses like a truck into my path. All the while gazing longingly at the donuts in the display. OS can only grit his teeth and dream of Miss Bukidnon with all her slinky curves, lustily awaiting my return. So close but so far away. Eventually this block of a woman, is drawn back to the counter in a real life donut equivalent of mathematical random numbers. OS, forever the opportunist. Siezes the chance to make the last meter of his journey to the cashier. Whew!
Or when OS is descending in the hotel lift to make his exit. The sound goes ding and the doors open and here's this fool blocking the exit from the elevator. Mindlessly fixated on his mobile phone. Shifting from one foot to the other as they are prone to do to prevent anticipation of their next movement, his equally overweight family just sit there gawking at me as he completes his important business with his telephone and shuffles dreamily away from the doors.
Now OS has always had fantasies about being invisible but most of these fantasies are centred around the ladies change rooms, shower blocks and so forth. What the Filipina experience has taught me is important in that being the invisible man may have some complications. But probably mostly in Phils for it seems like a national pastime that they just seem to always want to get in your % way.
OS.
AussieGaigin
07-23-15, 11:39
Is it just me or do fat Filipinas really plot to block me at my every turn. Is this a national pastime that nobody else has noticed?
Here are a few examples of classic Behaviour.
OS.I can assure you this behaviour is not limited to fat Pinays.
Every female in Australia seems to have developed this skill. If there is a passageway, they will fill it with their own body, their partners / friends' body, or some solid object to block your path.
They have this innate skill in blocking your path or veering you off your chosen path, usually in the dangerous direction. I could spend hours here giving you examples.
You should come down here to get some more practice in this art.
And it gets worse if you are in a hurry. As your donut example shows! LOL Yes, I laugh, but I'm deeply offended by your anti chubby tone. There are a lot of skinny people who can impede progress as well.
I don't think I've ever seen a Filipino walk on an escalator. Except for the kid that was going the wrong way. I guess this is why they block both lanes and never consider moving aside when some strange foreigner walks up behind them. It is sometimes faster to take the stairs. I mean the old-fashioned kind of stairs.
Nevertheless, I find the slow-moving cell phone zombies (youngish) the most annoying. It's not too bad in the Philippines yet, but it's living hell in urban areas like Tokyo. They even cross busy roads with their eyes glued to that tiny screen. How about a guy riding toward you on a bicycle, but looking at his cp?
And sadly, one cp zombie may be a bit pissed at the X Man. I was on a bicycle, on a busy street, and keeping to the left as is required. As I approached an intersection with a green light, I noticed a cp zombie with half a foot into the street and his cp even further out. I surely don't want to be clipped by the cars passing me to the right, so I moved as close as I thought I could. Unfortunately, when I leaned into my turn, I clipped his phone. I heard it go clackity clackity on the pavement. I felt bad, but maybe he learned a good lesson. A few weeks after that some high school kid lost his phone and his life when he did something similar on the train platform.
Oops, I've gone off topic, onto rant, but damn it felt good. Relax, be patient!
Is it just me or do fat Filipinas really plot to block me at my every turn. Is this a national pastime that nobody else has noticed?
Here are a few examples of classic Behaviour.
SNIP SNIP
OS.
WestCoast1
07-23-15, 15:20
Is it just me or do fat Filipinas really plot to block me at my every turn. Is this a national pastime that nobody else has noticed?
SNIP
back of this lady who has taken up position between OS and the cashier and is mesmerized by the donuts.
This time, as I make my move she reverses like a truck into my path. All the while gazing longingly at the donuts in the display. Haha when she reversed, did she make the 'heavey-quipment-reversing' sound? Ding-ding-ding!!
The answer is it is just you. Happens everywhere in all different countries. You write good but it is all to do about nothing. Could have been a Jerry Seinfield episode!
Offshore Swell
07-24-15, 02:02
The answer is it is just you. Happens everywhere in all different countries. You write good but it is all to do about nothing. Could have been a Jerry Seinfield episode!Thanks for the suggestions. Will take them on board.
Pinaypounder
07-28-15, 19:27
I met a nice Filipina living in Europe long time now seperated, she came to Canada and she is most whoring cheating women woman I have ever met. LIKE WOW!
I busted her redhanded and I am absolutely floored.
WTF?
What is some feedback on Filipinas living outside of the Phils.
Trying to find one I can trust!
No wonder we all just fuck them!
PP.
WestCoast1
07-28-15, 19:38
I met a nice Filipina living in Europe long time now seperated, she came to Canada and she is most whoring cheating women woman I have ever met. LIKE WOW!
I busted her redhanded and I am absolutely floored.
SNIP
No wonder we all just fuck them!
PP.That's a bit confusing. Living in Europe. Was she born in Europe? Or, was she raised in Phils, moved to Europe, now living in Canada? Its an important distinction (I think).
I met a nice Filipina living in Europe long time now seperated, she came to Canada and she is most whoring cheating women woman I have ever met. LIKE WOW!
I busted her redhanded and I am absolutely floored.
WTF?
What is some feedback on Filipinas living outside of the Phils.
Trying to find one I can trust!
No wonder we all just fuck them!
PP.Why does this surprise you PP? I have been with Pinoy women here in US and they are the same. The only difference is that I think they are nicer in Phils.
PC out.
Chocha Monger
07-29-15, 06:18
Do all Filipinas cheat? It is risky to speak in absolutes because someone will always point to some rare exception in an attempt to refute the entire thesis question. However, I believe the answer to this question is the same as that of the following question. Do all men capable of masturbation jerk off? Masters and Johnson had an interesting answer to that based on results of their studies.
I would say that Filipinas are not generally known for their fidelity. Furthermore, infidelity is widely accepted and forgiven among younger Filipino couples. "Stealing" a boyfriend or a girlfriend seems to be part of romance nowadays. Perhaps, this widespread theme in Filipino telenovelas makes fucking around on each other, breaking up and getting back together more acceptable, or even expected. Many mongers have also encountered the common phenomenon where a Filipino boyfriend or husband knowingly allows his woman to cuckold him with a foreigner in order to receive some material benefit. Rest assured that the Philippines did not become a world class sex tourist destination because of the faithfulness of Filipinas. In fact, it is the willingness of the Filipinas to drop their drawers for all cummers that has made this a burgeoning monger port of call.
Member #4387
07-29-15, 11:09
I met a nice Filipina living in Europe long time now seperated, she came to Canada and she is most whoring cheating women woman I have ever met. LIKE WOW!
I busted her redhanded and I am absolutely floored.
WTF?
What is some feedback on Filipinas living outside of the Phils.
Trying to find one I can trust!
No wonder we all just fuck them!
PP.Before the phil defenders arrives we probably can agree that there most likely are a few pinays out there that does not lie (just so we have mentioned it). I guess it is just hard to find them. Observations from Norway (which is a part of Europe): A growing pinay community in my country have made the catholic church in Oslo have masses atleast twice on fridays, three times Saturday and once or twice on sundays. This is a place most western men don't want to attend so they let their pinays out on their own for a few hours. Instead of joining the mass some are beeing picked up by their lovers in cars outside the church. This I viewed myself driving the mother of my half pinay GF to one mass and she openly told me as I wondered why so many young pinays went into waiting cars and not into church (this beeing fridays first mass and all). As dropping the mother off I droveby a few cars and saw relatively young men with the cheating pinays. I guess they just have to blow off some steam sometimes. I guess they say to their husband they will attend church. You can not cheat without lying that's for sure.
But there are pinays going to church as well so not all cheats (just so I have mentioned it).
I am happy i dont have to try find an honest one though as i only play them so if they lie or not to me is not of great importance.
Before the phil defenders arrives we probably can agree that there most likely are a few pinays out there that does not lie (just so we have mentioned it). I guess it is just hard to find them. Observations from Norway (which is a part of Europe): A growing pinay community in my country have made the catholic church in Oslo have masses atleast twice on fridays, three times Saturday and once or twice on sundays. This is a place most western men don't want to attend so they let their pinays out on their own for a few hours. Instead of joining the mass some are beeing picked up by their lovers in cars outside the church. This I viewed myself driving the mother of my half pinay GF to one mass and she openly told me as I wondered why so many young pinays went into waiting cars and not into church (this beeing fridays first mass and all). As dropping the mother off I droveby a few cars and saw relatively young men with the cheating pinays. I guess they just have to blow off some steam sometimes. I guess they say to their husband they will attend church. You can not cheat without lying that's for sure.
But there are pinays going to church as well so not all cheats (just so I have mentioned it).
I am happy i dont have to try find an honest one though as i only play them so if they lie or not to me is not of great importance.Quite educational from European Norwegian probably written while in Philippines cheating! Shit gets funnier all the time.
I would say that Filipinas are not generally known for their fidelity. Furthermore, infidelity is widely accepted and forgiven among younger Filipino couples.I've previously talked to my Filipina wife about this (we're not in the "younger" category). But firstly, are we talking about having a love interest on the side long term, or just dropping your drawers for money / P4 P, never to see that person again? I suppose the difference between a lover and a one-off quick shag. I wouldn't do the former but have (cough) done the latter whilst away from home. For the former, it's hard to say whether it's any different from the UK or the US to the Philippines. For the latter, absolutely. She says most Filipinas expect their husbands to go to a brothel, though not accepting / liking it, just knowing that it happens, like farting / belching. Logically there must be a similar number of women providing that service, not all single. So perhaps many Filipino husbands actually encourage their wives to have sex for money, and evidence on these forums seems to back that up. Again, probably not liked by the husband but if needs must.
Member #4387
07-29-15, 19:46
Quite educational from European Norwegian probably written while in Philippines cheating! Shit gets funnier all the time.What was the point here. I think you missed it. I admit I am a cheater (not to my GF though). The question at stake here was "philippinas outside phils". Defend them but read topic you are responding to ok? And written the day after returning from phils mr defender. If u are together wth a pinay outside phils i am sure she is not cheating u. U seem to friendly to beeing cheated. Stay on track mr defender.
Pinaypounder
07-29-15, 23:09
That's a bit confusing. Living in Europe. Was she born in Europe? Or, was she raised in Phils, moved to Europe, now living in Canada? Its an important distinction (I think).Born and Raised in the Phils, married a German man at 22 who beat her and his other wives as well, left after hospitalization. Been in Germany for 17 years was married for 8. Has Family here in Canada, came here on holiday after spending a month telling me she loved me, spent time with me and my kids, affection deepened, had online sex with another and 2 day sex fest while on holidays with her FAMILY (lied to them) with another when I was not around and is actively chatting others all while "loving me".
Has 3 other regular lovers prior to meeting me.
All was a "bit of a shock".
I think pyscho. There is more but it is rather embarrassing to tell to be honest!
Thoughts?
What was the point here. I think you missed it. I admit I am a cheater (not to my GF though). The question at stake here was "philippinas outside phils". Defend them but read topic you are responding to ok? And written the day after returning from phils mr defender. If u are together wth a pinay outside phils i am sure she is not cheating u. U seem to friendly to beeing cheated. Stay on track mr defender.Sorry I missed your point. So the conclusion is many Norwegians can not satisfy their pinays.
WestCoast1
07-30-15, 05:35
Do all Filipinas cheat? SNIP Do all men capable of masturbation jerk off?
I would say that Filipinas are not generally known for their fidelity. SNIP Many mongers have also encountered the common phenomenon where a Filipino boyfriend or husband knowingly allows his woman to cuckold him with a foreigner in order to receive some material benefit. Rest assured that the Philippines did not become a world class sex tourist destination because of the faithfulness of Filipinas. In fact, it is the willingness of the Filipinas to drop their drawers for all cummers that has made this a burgeoning monger port of call.Well-spoken, sir. I know its hard to call a large group of people, an entire country, on this issue. However, ask yourself how the following dichotomy can exist: How is it that the world's shyest women are also the ones whom I need only say "Boo!" to make their panties drop? Its analogous to a physics paradigm: I dropped a hammer. It can't fall "up". Right? But it does in phils: married pinay, pinay with BF, engaged pinay, separated pinay, lez-bee-yan pinay, and any pinay with a significant other ("Yes I'm hear to you Westy but my heart beat to him") biz. They keep coming back (and many of them keep cumming back). It must be that Hitachi vibrator, right?
Born and Raised in the Phils, married a German SNIP Been in Germany for 17 years SNIP Has Family here in Canada, came here on holiday'Nuff said. It makes sense now. The born / raised in phils sets her psyche into the realm of ChochaMonger's description. Many of them get caught cheating after they move here, also. OTOH, the same cannot be said for Filipino who were born / raised here. Either they are putting Viagra I the drinking water in phils, or there is something cultural there.
Of course there are many there that don't get caught up in this kind of thing. Just like anyplace. However I never trust pinay raised in phils for fidelity, whether in or out of Phils. Not only for myself, but for my friends. There is little surprise when a pinay does this kind of thing. PP you have been on the board since the early 2000's, this should not come as a surprise.
Member #4387
07-30-15, 05:55
There is little surprise when a pinay does this kind of thing. PP you have been on the board since the early 2000's, this should not come as a surprise.This was actually my first thought as well. It must been the thought of this only happen to others not me kind of thing. Based on how my girls play their BF's, husbands, wu champs whatever and still play with me (a small portion of the female population, yes, but soon enough to make some actual stats of it), I find no reason to even try trust pinays or phil people in general no matter where in the world they are. And I can hardly imagine (I don't know) this kind of things happens in other cultures to this great extent. I do in a strange way semi trust the mother of my phil baby but I would not bet my fortune on her either. Atleast she takes good care of our mutual daughter in Makati and that's the most important thing to me. Still I am happy I don't have to trust them only play with them.
Small but terrible! (or terrible, on some profiles).
I keep seeing this on FC and DIA profiles. Any translation?
Small but terrible! (or terrible, on some profiles).
I keep seeing this on FC and DIA profiles. Any translation?Short but not a weak pushover. She's bold, strong, outspoken, enduring etc. It's an affirmation. I recall the Tagalog word is batibot.
Short but not a weak pushover. She's bold, strong, outspoken, enduring etc. It's an affirmation. I recall the Tagalog word is batibot.Huts is right, but just remember that many girls use these terms after seeing them in other profiles or hear them from others without being sure what it means.
The key word is "small"; "terrible" doesn't necessarily mean "nawty" but it might.
I have said it to small girls myself, and there is usually a heap of thigh slapping and ROFL at the funny foreigner's joke.
Do more research to verify that the small girl is indeed "terrible" in the way that you hope.
Thanks, I guess they also read "someone who will accept who I am" in other profiles. Seems to be standard. I am hoping what I saw on one profile will catch on: 'I am looking for a relationship.
Huts is right, but just remember that many girls use these terms after seeing them in other profiles or hear them from others without being sure what it means.
The key word is "small"; "terrible" doesn't necessarily mean "nawty" but it might.
I have said it to small girls myself, and there is usually a heap of thigh slapping and ROFL at the funny foreigner's joke.
Do more research to verify that the small girl is indeed "terrible" in the way that you hope.
Thanks, I guess they also read "someone who will accept who I am" in other profiles.The 'acceptance of who I am' she's looking for is by a fella who's willing to put up with her children or overlook the penis between her legs.
....SNIP.... or overlook the penis between her legs.So maybe that is what 'small but terrible' is referring to?
.. or overlook the penis between her legs.No kidding, I really need to build my LB detection skills, in preparation for my upcoming visit, I have blasted the dating / social media sites. The number of "sure, I would love to come fuck you for money, but I am a ladyboy" responses I have received is astounding.
Wicked Roger
08-04-15, 12:57
No kidding, I really need to build my LB detection skills, in preparation for my upcoming visit, I have blasted the dating / social media sites. The number of "sure, I would love to come fuck you for money, but I am a ladyboy" responses I have received is astounding.I always chat and cam with the girls first and my rule is no cam / hear the voice then I won't see them. Also when they write "accept me as I am" that to me is a LB red flag.
I always chat and cam with the girls first and my rule is no cam / hear the voice then I won't see them. Also when they write "accept me as I am" that to me is a LB red flag.Me too, this is just on my initial message blasting that I send out (copy and paste on Tagged is great) which makes my intentions quite clear. Well that and my profile states I am taken and am only looking for short term girl friends LOL. I have to admit to not studying the pics in great detail, one I went back and looked at a bit closer and you could see a little willy bump in a bikini photo.
Have cam checked two large breasted ladies and verified they are not LB and the dating site pics are real.
Boobs1 had a cold and was a bit disinterested when we first cammed, but I put it down to her being sick. Have cammed with her again, but while she has agreed to come see me, I am just not getting that warm fuzzy feeling that I should be getting from a sexy little pinay that wants to be my bed companion for a few hours or the night. She seems rather disinterested, or bored with the whole thing. Maybe I am planning too far in advance for her??
Boobs2 checked out ok on cam today, and my spidy senses are not tingling with her. Boobs2 lives closer to my hotel, so hopefully can stick closer to the schedule for being my first unload of the trip.
I think I am going to swap Boobs2 for Boobs1 when I first get off the plane, and push Boobs1 to an off site meeting where I am not about to bust a nut and be tempted to take whatever turns up.
Dark Knight1
08-08-15, 15:06
Do all Filipinas cheat? It is risky to speak in absolutes because someone will always point to some rare exception in an attempt to refute the entire thesis question. However, I believe the answer to this question is the same as that of the following question. Do all men capable of masturbation jerk off? Masters and Johnson had an interesting answer to that based on results of their studies.
I would say that Filipinas are not generally known for their fidelity. Furthermore, infidelity is widely accepted and forgiven among younger Filipino couples. "Stealing" a boyfriend or a girlfriend seems to be part of romance nowadays. Perhaps, this widespread theme in Filipino telenovelas makes fucking around on each other, breaking up and getting back together more acceptable, or even expected. Many mongers have also encountered the common phenomenon where a Filipino boyfriend or husband knowingly allows his woman to cuckold him with a foreigner in order to receive some material benefit. Rest assured that the Philippines did not become a world class sex tourist destination because of the faithfulness of Filipinas. In fact, it is the willingness of the Filipinas to drop their drawers for all cummers that has made this a burgeoning monger port of call.As for your comment on Filipino telenovelas the most watched show in the country (The Legal Wife) was a show about you guessed it a philandering Pinoy.
I would go out on a limb and say 80 percent of Filipinos can't be trusted. Lying, fornicating and stealing is second nature to them only behind supporting unworthy family members. Filipinos drop there underwear at alarming rate with most of the women riddled with STDs due their low educational achievements, standards and religion. They seem to carry these same traits even when abroad.
GoodEnough
08-09-15, 03:30
I would go out on a limb and say 80 percent of Filipinos can't be trusted. Lying, fornicating and stealing is second nature to them only behind supporting unworthy family members. Filipinos drop there underwear at alarming rate with most of the women riddled with STDs due their low educational achievements, standards and religion. They seem to carry these same traits even when abroad.Of the thousands of comments, reports and analyses I've read herein over the years, this has to be one of the most ill-informed and pointless. It has no basis in fact, thus no empirical justification and seems motivated by bitterness or perhaps just pure meanness. I doubt that most Filipinas lie with an greater frequency than the punters who lie consistently to them, and the reference to "riddled with STDs. " is beyond absurd. As to the dropping of underwear, I'm pretty sure that the average monger drops his with even greater frequency.
The opinion, which is poorly stated and has no evident basis in fact, also reflects a complete lack of understanding of local culture. What nonsense!
GE.
Dark Knight1
08-09-15, 04:07
Of the thousands of comments, reports and analyses I've read herein over the years, this has to be one of the most ill-informed and pointless. It has no basis in fact, thus no empirical justification and seems motivated by bitterness or perhaps just pure meanness. I doubt that most Filipinas lie with an greater frequency than the punters who lie consistently to them, and the reference to "riddled with STDs. " is beyond absurd. As to the dropping of underwear, I'm pretty sure that the average monger drops his with even greater frequency.
The opinion, which is poorly stated and has no evident basis in fact, also reflects a complete lack of understanding of local culture. What nonsense!
GE.It isn't fact based at all. Its a statement and opinion based on experiences and observations. My post is not ill-informed as I have witnessed countless mongers complain of a drippy dick or worse things such as warts after going bareback in PI. Can you with a clear conscience argue the fact that Filipinas are ignorant about STDS for the most part? I am sure most mongers would win a lying and sex frequency contest with the average Filipina but this thread is called Filipinas opinions and advice not Mongers opinions and advice.
Of the thousands of comments, reports and analyses I've read herein over the years, this has to be one of the most ill-informed and pointless. It has no basis in fact, thus no empirical justification and seems motivated by bitterness or perhaps just pure meanness. I doubt that most Filipinas lie with an greater frequency than the punters who lie consistently to them, and the reference to "riddled with STDs. " is beyond absurd. As to the dropping of underwear, I'm pretty sure that the average monger drops his with even greater frequency.
The opinion, which is poorly stated and has no evident basis in fact, also reflects a complete lack of understanding of local culture. What nonsense!
GE.Well said. Seems like bitterness riddled with STD's.
My un scientific research on FC, DIA etc. Seems to reveal more attractive women from around Cebu than elsewhere. Not that there aren't any in Manila, and other places, but I just seem to notice more Cebu profiles. Any thoughts on the "non pros" on these sites?
Pinaypounder
08-12-15, 21:42
My un scientific research on FC, DIA etc. Seems to reveal more attractive women from around Cebu than elsewhere. Not that there aren't any in Manila, and other places, but I just seem to notice more Cebu profiles. Any thoughts on the "non pros" on these sites?The more remote the location the greater the number or the higher the ratio of pure unadulterated beauties.
The ration of Beauties in Zamfricken bongo is through the roof but who wishes to go there?
The top of the tree has the best fruit!
PP.
HeyyyyyyPaul
08-13-15, 01:33
This was actually my first thought as well. It must been the thought of this only happen to others not me kind of thing. Based on how my girls play their BF's, husbands, wu champs whatever and still play with me (a small portion of the female population, yes, but soon enough to make some actual stats of it), I find no reason to even try trust pinays or phil people in general no matter where in the world they are. And I can hardly imagine (I don't know) this kind of things happens in other cultures to this great extent. I do in a strange way semi trust the mother of my phil baby but I would not bet my fortune on her either. Atleast she takes good care of our mutual daughter in Makati and that's the most important thing to me. Still I am happy I don't have to trust them only play with them.Curious if you had a DNA test yet with your daughter?
Concur. The Cebuanas are sweet as mangos and ripe for picking. I am thinking of retiring there.
My un scientific research on FC, DIA etc. Seems to reveal more attractive women from around Cebu than elsewhere. Not that there aren't any in Manila, and other places, but I just seem to notice more Cebu profiles. Any thoughts on the "non pros" on these sites?.
This was actually my first thought as well. It must been the thought of this only happen to others not me kind of thing. Based on how my girls play their BF's, husbands, wu champs whatever and still play with me (a small portion of the female population, yes, but soon enough to make some actual stats of it), I find no reason to even try trust pinays or phil people in general no matter where in the world they are. And I can hardly imagine (I don't know) this kind of things happens in other cultures to this great extent. I do in a strange way semi trust the mother of my phil baby but I would not bet my fortune on her either. Atleast she takes good care of our mutual daughter in Makati and that's the most important thing to me. Still I am happy I don't have to trust them only play with them.A few years ago I actually had a legitimate Filipina girlfriend (very short lived).
However, I always remember her telling me to never trust Phil people (words I live by when in PH).
Also had a former colleague from China who tried starting business in PH and made the mistake of trusting his Pinoy partners.
He came to Manila with a large fortune, and left with a small fortune.
I always tell my friends from back home to come, have fun, enjoy the company, be a generous & kind host, but don't believe a word anyone says to you, don't trust anyone, and most importantly to always remember that your life is only worth what's in your wallet.
Life is good when things are put in perspective that way. Can't wait to be back in about 2 weeks.
Member #4387
08-13-15, 20:50
Curious if you had a DNA test yet with your daughter?Hehe you haven't followed to much on this forum and a RTFF comment would be in place. Yes we did the DNA testings long time ago. I don't put to much trust into phils and its people so that was mandatory even of I had very few reasons to disbelieve the mother when she claimed her preggy status. She did not come forward as the typical pinay we may deal with as in mongering as we met through normal mechanisms (she liked me and I liked / lusted her) in a high end club called Prive (the Fort). The hole event was like picking up a girl in Norway and we ended back at my room. She, without questions, was very drunk as we drank 3 btls of champagne (me the most ofcourse). This girl is unbelievable as she's hot and sexy (167 cm, paled skinned, ass to die for, nice tetas, extremely beautiful). She comes from not so typical monger surroundings as she is the one and only daughter (single child) in the family, parents owns many businesses themself and easily managed to put her through law school in US with some help from a emigrated uncle living there. She has no phil behaviour which I highly value and she is by now 29 yo. By this she is not very pinay so to speak and puts up high standards. She's happy with having our daughter and as she can't get me (I have GF and baby back home) she deals with this as in going the lesbo way and she tells me she despite guys (probably correct thinking using me as an excample, hehe). Occationaly we still fuck but thats out of pure lust and nothing to do with my mongering sched. She handles our situation great. She knows my domestic GF contact details and could easily give me hard time but she doesn't and for this, beeing a very rare exception, I do trust her, sometimes with my life but in general i only trust her normal. She is fabulous, successful, extremely beautiful, sexy, smart and funny. Dna test ofcourse proved it was my baby and I do take care the best ways I am able too beeing a mongerer and having GF with also my baby back home. Tha mathematics are funny though: my baby here in Makati is 50% phil girl and my baby back home is 25% phil girl. Go figure?
Great Muta
08-13-15, 21:11
Do all Filipinas cheat? It is risky to speak in absolutes because someone will always point to some rare exception in an attempt to refute the entire thesis question. However, I believe the answer to this question is the same as that of the following question. Do all men capable of masturbation jerk off? Masters and Johnson had an interesting answer to that based on results of their studies.
I would say that Filipinas are not generally known for their fidelity. Furthermore, infidelity is widely accepted and forgiven among younger Filipino couples. "Stealing" a boyfriend or a girlfriend seems to be part of romance nowadays. Perhaps, this widespread theme in Filipino telenovelas makes fucking around on each other, breaking up and getting back together more acceptable, or even expected. Many mongers have also encountered the common phenomenon where a Filipino boyfriend or husband knowingly allows his woman to cuckold him with a foreigner in order to receive some material benefit. Rest assured that the Philippines did not become a world class sex tourist destination because of the faithfulness of Filipinas. In fact, it is the willingness of the Filipinas to drop their drawers for all cummers that has made this a burgeoning monger port of call.Some thoughts:
1) The girls we meet online are different from real world girls. These girls are trying to get somewhere or something and whatever they got to do to do it, they will. You gotta remember who is playing who.
2) I do think most filipina's are cheats or are untrustworthy. The best way to find out? Get a fake facebook or have a friend ask them and see if they really are your girl or not. It's sneaky but I've been surprised both good and bad by some of the answers I've got. I honestly think in all the years I've been talking to filipinas that there are two who I would trust out of hundreds.
I think I've given up on having any kind of serious relationship with a filipina. It's best to just get what you want and find multiple girls to do it with.
FritsVanegter
08-13-15, 21:57
Hello,
I did find girls here who use several profiles. Ask for your skype? Offer a show and some even have Paypal to get your money. Sometimes they share it with a friend.
If they are online while they should be in bed they are probably professional gold diggers.
I think it is hard to come across a nice lady online that will let you fuck her after a few of hours of chatting before a 10 days trip to the Philippines.
I think it will be better to just visit a bar and find a not to hardened prostitute that can make you happy.
And my god I hate it when I know they are multitasking like be online at yahoo, facebook, Filipino kisses and skype as well while using a low grade smart phone and a bad connection. I would go nuts doing that.
Greetings,
Frits
Member #4387
08-14-15, 08:40
Hello,
I did find girls here who use several profiles. Ask for your skype? Offer a show and some even have Paypal to get your money. Sometimes they share it with a friend.
If they are online while they should be in bed they are probably professional gold diggers.
I think it is hard to come across a nice lady online that will let you fuck her after a few of hours of chatting before a 10 days trip to the Philippines.
I think it will be better to just visit a bar and find a not to hardened prostitute that can make you happy.
And my god I hate it when I know they are multitasking like be online at yahoo, facebook, Filipino kisses and skype as well while using a low grade smart phone and a bad connection. I would go nuts doing that.
Greetings,
FritsSome of your points make sense but obviously atleast a few doesn't. So you mean its better to go into a prostitute place (bar etc) to find a not so hardene pro?(ofcourse you are entitled to have your oppinion). Sorry mr but when a girl enter a prostitute environment she has crossed a wide river and is a prosti.
Me on the other hand have a good time using datingsites (not so much these days but previous years I was a heavy user), I have easily managed to convo girls only short time and then bang them when I get into town. I guess the problem for many punters are they have no clue how to adress these girls. I have viewed some convos from guys trying to hit up girls in datingsites and I must say it scared me. Beautiful girls get loads of crappy and offensive msgs from guys having no clue how to behave in cyberspace. The have no respect so no wonder they find datingsites to be a difficult place to meet girls (I don't say you are one of them ofcourse). By any normal standards most of the girls have higher standards than a girl in a bar. Lines are blurred at times as some girls work both bars and the cyberspace. Still this is my definit meaning.
Without lying and even beeing modest I have met atleast 1000 girls around the world hooking up with them through various sites. Very few of them would I consider to be prostitutes. Ofcourse I could have missed out a few here and there but with only brief interactions its hard to go "behind the scene". I never cater my girls long time as I have my way of communicate with them. I don't say I am an expert but I had my fair share of success in datingsites so something I must be doing right. Some easy guidelines: never mention money, no abusive language, no request for nude pics or nude cam session (here many many guys failes), straight to the point as in "I want to have nice time with mutual pleasures", never promise relationship or serious commitment and use a decent pic of yourself or as I have done many times a friend pics (which looks quite like me, but ask first, hehe). Then datingsites works as clockwork. And the obvious, maybe most important, rule is: dont start communicating the girls months away from your arrival, they will gettired and a fair share like 90% of guys makes promises they come but never do(the basementwankers). After a while girls will remember this and they become very sceptic. If u have some pics from the place they live pls share them as this will assure them u been here before. I never start hitting on girls until 1 or 2 weeks away from my arrivel, 2 weeks beeing the maximum. JUST SOME HEADS UP.
She is fabulous, successful, extremely beautiful, sexy, smart and funny. It must be true love! Between you and your GF in Norway I mean.
Member #4387
08-14-15, 10:06
It must be true love! Between you and your GF in Norway I mean.hehe, Yes she have almost the same attributes as the phil girl, though a tad taller and even more successful(25% pinay blood in her). I am a cheater and will allways be I guess. I will get caught one day but until then. Enjoy.
My un scientific research on FC, DIA etc. Seems to reveal more attractive women from around Cebu than elsewhere. Not that there aren't any in Manila, and other places, but I just seem to notice more Cebu profiles. Any thoughts on the "non pros" on these sites?There is a logical explanation for Cebu. Cebu is the considered Silicon Valley of Philippines due to good IT Schools and jobs. There are tremendous amount of women who understand computers and how to use them. So, they also socialize online and they use the services more than the others. So, you have an higher chance of seeing a Cebuana online than others.
Chocha Monger
08-14-15, 23:48
The reported cheating rate of 7/8 or 87.5% from field reports is about right for Filipinas. The other 12.5% have not been caught yet. Infidelity is a national past time in the Philippines. Wealthy pinoys have assured me that this cheating has absolutely nothing to do with being a pinoy or foreigner. Filipinas just enjoy the thrill, excitement and drama that come with cuckolding their boyfriend or husband with some strange cock. A few of the good ones might feel a bit guilty after they fuck the side cock but not too guilty, and certainly nothing that can't be rationalized away or resolved by a quick visit to mass. Their confessions would give the most pious of clergymen wood in the confessional.
Anyone getting serious with a pinay had better not be too hung up on fidelity. These women share their pussy faster than they share their rice. Cheating in their culture just doesn't carry the same stigma that it does in the West. Pussy is just a tool to get things that they want or to entertain guys that they find nice or handsome. It is almost like the "free love" culture of the hippies survived here hidden under a cloak of superficial religious and social conservatism. Of course, it doesn't help that the old mail order bride and fee based dating sites falsely marketed Filipinas as shy loyal faithful companions instead of the insatiable little sex fiends they really are. The result of this misleading marketing is that a lot of foreigners show up in the Philippines with totally unrealistic expectations.
It's true that Filipinas found online are more likely to be hunting for foreign men as a bridge to a wealthy Western country or as a financier for a better life for herself and her family. However, one shouldn't be too quick to trust relatively wealthy Filipinas either. Some of these pinays just want to marry abroad because they can easily divorce a foreigner when they no longer like him unlike marrying in the Philippines where getting out of marriage is costly complicated and time consuming. It was shocking hearing educated Filipinas expressing this as a reason for marrying a foreigner, but given the childish attitudes of most of them this should probably be expected.
GoodEnough
08-15-15, 05:33
So let's see if I get this: almost 90% of Filipinas are unfaithful which we tacitly --and somewhat sneeringly--judge as morally corrupt, but the guys who come here to shag 4,5 or even 6,women over a two-day period are admirable, macho studs. Have I got this right? Wonder what the word for hypocracy is in Tagalog.
GE.
So let's see if I get this: almost 90% of Filipinas are unfaithful which we tacitly --and somewhat sneeringly--judge as morally corrupt, but the guys who come here to shag 4,5 or even 6,women over a two-day period are admirable, macho studs. Have I got this right? Wonder what the word for hypocracy is in Tagalog.
GE.Logic would tell me if the rate is 90%, the bars and FLers would be flat out of business.
The holier than those holes are the worst ones.
GhostPayroll
08-15-15, 08:27
Hey all,
I will be doing my first run into the Philippines soon.
Been in China for a long time (13 years) and ready to see something different.
Any start kits? Hahaha.
Advice actually.
So let's see if I get this: almost 90% of Filipinas are unfaithful which we tacitly --and somewhat sneeringly--judge as morally corrupt, but the guys who come here to shag 4,5 or even 6,women over a two-day period are admirable, macho studs. Have I got this right? Wonder what the word for hypocracy is in Tagalog.
GE.Double standard indeed. I like to remain non-judgmental and un-inquisitive when it comes to my Filipina GFs. Why ruin a good thing? Plus if someone slips them a few bucks (for a bang) before I get there that means that they might not be bugging me all the time for the moola. Exclusivity is for the righteous and it must be bloody boring. My married buddies in California are jealous as hell of my single life. As for Filipina intelligence or lack thereof well this is a good thing, too. A woman that is too smart is nothing but trouble because they ask too many questions that they would be better off not knowing the answer to.
Member #4387
08-15-15, 14:26
Dcups is right. Me too are not worried about if pinays lie to me or not or if they cheat. I do my fair share of cheating to my GF back home so I am the worst they get. Pretending to be single here is the way to go. I could never, and don't want, have an all in pinay GF. Even if my GF back home is 25% pinay she is born and raised in my countries with our fonducts and morals (I am too but I am destroyed). If she is true or not to me I would not know. I for sure would go easy on her if I found out something due to my own behaviour.
WestCoast1
08-15-15, 15:46
A woman that is too smart is nothing but trouble because they ask too many questions that they would be better off not knowing the answer to.Haha. 7 years ago a mate married a Russian girl. He knows almost nothing of the female mind-set (or of any culture other than his own WASP upbringing). Given his life circumstances (late-50's, wealthy, committed bachelor, never a solid GF for more than a month, fairly oblivious of the difference between men / women, etc), I should have been surprised at his sudden desire to marry. An instant change. Suddenly he wanted heirs, kids to continue the family name and carry forward his wealth. He had made several short trips to Russia (less than a week) over a year, hiding his trips from everyone, including me. He was using one of those find-a-bride companies on the internet. One day he showed me pics of a young beauty he intended to marry. I was surprised by the suddenness, but quickly realized he was experiencing some type of mid-life crisis. His stated intents: Show his family that he could date young beauty, marry her, and start pumping out several heirs.
So he brought the woman here and married her right away. Mid-30's, beautiful, fairly good English, master's degree, sharp and loved to talk politics, culture, food, etc. Nice girl. However he never attempted to acculturate himself to her culture (daaa, nyet, and spasiba were beyond him), never went back to visit her family, and openly didn't care about her family. She quickly turned into the queen beeyatch. 5 years later they were divorced. No kids. Before the storm, just after the honeymoon, I remember him offering up this advice (at the time I had to pinch myself to keep myself from laughing at him): "Never marry an uneducated woman. Always find a woman you can carry on stimulating conversation Westy. Doesn't matter if she can cook, you can always eat out. But you will be bored with her if you can't carry on good conversation, and that will ruin your marriage". Coming from a man who had been dumped by every female in his adult years, I found any relationship advice given by him should be taken with a grain of salt. His divorce finalized last year (interestingly, the girl got very little money).
Fast-forward to a few nights ago. Having dinner at a restaurant with him, he mused the following advice: "You know Westy, if you ever get married, find an uneducated woman who actually likes to keep a tidy home, cook, and openly likes sex. Shouldn't matter if she speaks English very well, just a bit is OK". Really? "Ya. A smart woman is trouble once she learns the American way of how things are done here". Really! Hahaha. Doesn't his most recent advice sound like many pinay? And, big fella, isn't that the opposite of what you told me 7 years ago? "F*ck you Westy. And give me the number of that girl you use sometimes. The co-ed".
Ha!
So let's see if I get this: almost 90% of Filipinas are unfaithful which we tacitly --and somewhat sneeringly--judge as morally corrupt, but the guys who come here to shag 4,5 or even 6,women over a two-day period are admirable, macho studs. Have I got this right? Wonder what the word for hypocracy is in Tagalog.
GE.I never tried to keep track of my steady girlfriends. It is like counting cards at Blackjack. After a while unnecessary stress on the mind. Best thing is go with the flow. Unless one is married or have a live in GF do not worry about who is screwing who. They all lie anyway irrespective of which country. If they are living with you there is a old Arab saying " if you are mongering it is like spitting outside your house, if your significant other is doing it she is spitting inside".
WestCoast1
08-15-15, 22:03
GE: Clean out your PM inbox.
GoodEnough
08-16-15, 01:40
GE: Clean out your PM inbox.Sorry about that. It's done.
Haha. 7 years ago a mate married a Russian girl. He knows almost nothing of the female mind-set (or of any culture other than his own WASP upbringing). Given his life circumstances (late-50's, wealthy, committed bachelor, never a solid GF for more than a month, fairly oblivious of the difference between men / women, etc), I should have been surprised at his sudden desire to marry. An instant change. Suddenly he wanted heirs, kids to continue the family name and carry forward his wealth. He had made several short trips to Russia (less than a week) over a year, hiding his trips from everyone, including me. He was using one of those find-a-bride companies on the internet. One day he showed me pics of a young beauty he intended to marry. I was surprised by the suddenness, but quickly realized he was experiencing some type of mid-life crisis. His stated intents: Show his family that he could date young beauty, marry her, and start pumping out several heirs.
So he brought the woman here and married her right away. Mid-30's, beautiful, fairly good English, master's degree, sharp and loved to talk politics, culture, food, etc. Nice girl. However he never attempted to acculturate himself to her culture (daaa, nyet, and spasiba were beyond him), never went back to visit her family, and openly didn't care about her family. She quickly turned into the queen beeyatch. 5 years later they were divorced. No kids. Before the storm, just after the honeymoon, I remember him offering up this advice (at the time I had to pinch myself to keep myself from laughing at him): "Never marry an uneducated woman. Always find a woman you can carry on stimulating conversation Westy. Doesn't matter if she can cook, you can always eat out. But you will be bored with her if you can't carry on good conversation, and that will ruin your marriage". Coming from a man who had been dumped by every female in his adult years, I found any relationship advice given by him should be taken with a grain of salt. His divorce finalized last year (interestingly, the girl got very little money).
Fast-forward to a few nights ago. Having dinner at a restaurant with him, he mused the following advice: "You know Westy, if you ever get married, find an uneducated woman who actually likes to keep a tidy home, cook, and openly likes sex. Shouldn't matter if she speaks English very well, just a bit is OK". Really? "Ya. A smart woman is trouble once she learns the American way of how things are done here". Really! Hahaha. Doesn't his most recent advice sound like many pinay? And, big fella, isn't that the opposite of what you told me 7 years ago? "F*ck you Westy. And give me the number of that girl you use sometimes. The co-ed".
Ha!Your Mate sounds like many of us. Thanks for sharing this story. What are we to do? Commitment, trust are things you want. Heirs who can [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) away your hard work. This is as old as man. I hope he finds the right thing.
There is a logical explanation for Cebu. Cebu is the considered Silicon Valley of Philippines due to good IT Schools and jobs. There are tremendous amount of women who understand computers and how to use them. So, they also socialize online and they use the services more than the others. So, you have an higher chance of seeing a Cebuana online than others.Thanks for the info. I am thinking about a quick trip to Phil from California. I may have to stick to Manila or Thailand this time, not enough time to develop a long list. I had started pairing the target list down, but the plans changed so I am having a shorter trip. In spent two days in Cebu a few years ago, had a couple of pros from Mango. I regret not hooking up with some on my FC list, but I had worn myself out in Manila and Davao, so needed some rest. I will try to find time for a 3 or four week trip early next winter.
Member #4387
08-17-15, 12:30
H: "You are beeing so strict".
M: "good, so you learn, there is no difference in time anywhere in the world and 3 pm is 3 pm and I told you many times (be on time be on time)".
H: "huh".
M: "huh does not mean anything. Its just some stupid way of replying you don't understand shit".
This stupid bird tried play me as in I adviced her many times 1 pm, 1:30 pm and 2 pm she must get ready. After 2 pm she suddenly stop replying and have the nerve to text me back at 4 pm "sorry I just had to get my niece girl from school, that's why I am late". I told her by then the session cancelled ofcourse. She must have been thinking I was a shmuck and I guess the reason she can put up with this is bcs actually some guys are fine with this as long as a girl come. Putting up with such an act will not improve their managing of time. On my question to her on why she did not tell me upfront she could not be here by our 3 pm appointment she simply answered: "I think its not so important and we had agreement this afternoon". Me telling her if she just informed me upfront everything would be ok bcs also I know things can happen but playing the silent game against me was a bad decission. She understood then that we neverd meet.
I clock in girl number 3(in which i can remember)beeing late out of many hundreds on time girls. This one trying to play my good act, god knows what she was doing. So still the stats are realy realy good but you need to play as a hard rock gents. Don't let them girls be in control no matter what. Only 20 min away there will be new girls wanting to come (as I've had to use an emergency girl today). No worries. But I get pissed off beeing treated like a moron (mongerer is ok but no moron). I stood my ground, next please. Dont take it as i have problem with latecommers but i guess me not having this problem makes me adress this happening stronger. I guess no system is perfect.
Mr Enternational
08-17-15, 13:27
Finally someone who stands up to women instead of being a cream puff. A sure sign that one is "used to" women and not going to let one chick make or break him.
Pinay like to use that word strict. Damn right I am strict when it comes to my time. I can get more money, but once time is wasted I can't get that back.
GoodEnough
08-17-15, 14:58
The concept of time having no value is not restricted to random hook-ups; it's a ubiquitous characteristic here. Today I had what I thought was a doctor's appointment at 3 PM. When I arrived, about five minutes early, the corridor outside his office probably had twenty patients waiting to see him. In the outer office there were another ten or so patiently waiting. His secretary told me she would call me when he could fit me in. I asked if she was kidding and left. Two weeks ago, I walked out of a restaurant after waiting to meet a luncheon appointment who exceeded my fifteen minute wait time limit.
I don't think any of us will ever change this aspect of the culture and I imagine that the locals cannot I pretend our obsession with timeliness so ne'er the twain will meet I guess. I do know that I will never accept the lack of respect for other people's time. I no longer get upset. I just leave.
GE.
I no longer get upset. I just leave.Exactly. I am a 20 minute guy and not a 15 minute guy (you so striiiiict! But that's what I do too.
Member #4387
08-17-15, 16:45
Finally someone who stands up to women instead of being a cream puff. A sure sign that one is "used to" women and not going to let one chick make or break him.
Pinay like to use that word strict. Damn right I am strict when it comes to my time. I can get more money, but once time is wasted I can't get that back.Not that in loosing an appointment in my biz scheduel would be the end of the world. Like GE not able to get his doc appointment would set me off harsly. I hate beeing late myself and I would for sure inform my meet up if ID be so early early. I don't have a certain time limit as it depends how and whey a girl inform me. I have mostly a 2 or 3 hours window between sessions (overnighters beeing excluded but pressed on time as well). One session, in itself, takes maybe 20-45 minutes so leaves me enough recoupe time normaly as long as girls are on time.
When they do the phil time trick as in time is not of any value I don't care one bit. Yes, I am here in the phils but my biz is my biz. If they want to be late hook up with softeners. I can not stand it.
I have it feom good reports as in a text the cheeky lady still went on her way to see me. I just did not reply. I got this stupid msg that she had to pay her taxidriver. Wow what a bummer.
WestCoast1
08-17-15, 19:33
The concept of time having no value is not restricted to random hook-ups; it's a ubiquitous characteristic here. SNIP
I don't think any of us will ever change this aspect of the culture and I imagine that the locals cannot I pretend our obsession with timeliness so ne'er the twain will meet I guess. I do know that I will never accept the lack of respect for other people's time. I no longer get upset. I just leave.A few thoughts about the time issue:
1. Phils is not the only "time-insensitive" country. Many latin places suffer the same issue. I used the word "suffer" on purpose: both cultures (the 'time-sensitive' and the 'time-insensitive', which I liken to the quick and the dead) look upon the other as being somewhat bizarre. Appointments set for business purposes stand a high chance of not being kept, and appointments set for non-biz purposes stand an extremely high chance of not being kept. If pinoy make you think: "What the F*CK is wrong with these people"! Then also consider pinoy are having the same thought about you: "Why are you westerners so anal about this thing that nobody here cares about"? No amount of teeth-grinding on any person's part will change the behavior of the other (more later).
2. I have had some success in the last few years with timeliness of the new girls (only the girls, not with businesses, and these apply normally to new girls only, as repeats have already been trained) by adopting a few procedures. Mostly, in advance, I remind the girls that I am STRICT when it comes to tardiness. Please drive that fact home *before* you agree to meet her.
3) Stop being upset. My being upset at a late pilipina is akin to being upset with my cat when she doesn't come to me when I call her name. Unlike the dog, the chance of the cat running over to me when called is: Near ZERO.
Common mistake: In chat, telling her to leave her house at 11am to meet you at 1pm. Yes, its a jeep ride of 1.5 - 2 hours, so the timeframe makes sense to you. But its still a mistake to tell her that. DO tell her to leave her home at 9am. DO tell her that its better for her to be very early than late. The girl is not responsible for very bad traffic (or rain), which happens a lot in Manila/Cebu, and your holding her to that responsibility is not reasonable.
GoodEnough
08-17-15, 23:39
As WC has pointed out, indifference to the value of time is a characteristic shared by many cultures, Indonesian and Thai to an, e but two. I'm guessing that the obsession with timeliness is limited to those fiercely competitive economies in which time really is money, but this may be too simplistic an explanation. I remember years ago, during my first weeks of living in Paris, when a French colleague patiently explained to me, over a leisurely lunch, that in the USA People lived to work, while in Frajce, people worked to live. This, at least where I worked, few people cake in early or stayed late, virtually no one worked on weekends, and everyone took his or her full six week vacation entitlement. I have to admit that the French seemed less stressed out than the average American.
Could be that those of us who are obsessed with time are the true anomalies worldwide.
GE.
As WC has pointed out, indifference to the value of time is a characteristic shared by many cultures, Indonesian and Thai to an, e but two. I'm guessing that the obsession with timeliness is limited to those fiercely competitive economies in which time really is money, but this may be too simplistic an explanation. I remember years ago, during my first weeks of living in Paris, when a French colleague patiently explained to me, over a leisurely lunch, that in the USA People lived to work, while in Frajce, people worked to live. This, at least where I worked, few people cake in early or stayed late, virtually no one worked on weekends, and everyone took his or her full six week vacation entitlement. I have to admit that the French seemed less stressed out than the average American.
Could be that those of us who are obsessed with time are the true anomalies worldwide.
GE.Outside of the Germans and Japanese, I can't recall who else is well known for being punctual or even early (I said WELL known). We have Korean time, Indian time, etc. Koreans are fiercely competitive but interestingly take pride in the fact that Korean time exists. It has always been a joke with my Korean friends as I grew up.
Member #4387
08-18-15, 23:12
Outside of the Germans and Japanese, I can't recall who else is well known for being punctual or even early (I said WELL known). We have Korean time, Indian time, etc. Koreans are fiercely competitive but interestingly take pride in the fact that Korean time exists. It has always been a joke with my Korean friends as I grew up.From all places I've been to Fiji would take the price as the worst timehandlers ever. I've been there a few times and remember especially the first one back in 1998 when me and friend were backpacking our way through this ancient cannibalistic culture. Moving our asses from Nadi to Suva I was surprised to see a busstation at all and even more surprised to se a detailed scheduel for busdepartures like 05:32, 06:32, 07:32 etc etc. I deliberatly leave out am / pm as that did not matter at all. With scheduel as stated each hour I was surprised we had to wait for around 4 hours for the bus. Just for fun I asked the kavadrinking driver which bust this actually was and I was surprised he had no clue. I remember we left Nadi around noonish.
On our way to the airport leaving the islands for LAX with Air Pacifics B747 our taxidriver was an hour late. Nothing we could do about that except from us beeing sure we lost our flight. We found it anyway best for us to atleast get ourselfes to the airport so we atleast could stay there. The driver knew more than us as he told us he knew the plane was allways delayed. Due to this he drove like crazy. He drove through a police radar control far to fast and he drove through the police stop post. Out of curiosity I asked the driver if he thought he would get caught? There where not a hole bunch of taxis around so he would be easy to spot. He told me no as the rules were it was up to him if wanted to stop or not. Maybe when he drove back he told me he might stop and pay the ticket. He would just sleep on it for a while. I think he fell asleep before letting us out as he did not want to get paid. He offered us soem kava though. Crazy.
The plane was delayed so that was no problem for us to catch. While onboard, as a couple of hours delayed allready, the captain informed us we would be delayed (surprise) and the delay was due to we had to remove a suitcase as one checked in passenger was not onboard the aircraft. This was as stated a pretty fullybooked 747. I remember I did had a windowseat and I was thinking well there are probably a lot of people working on this to remove this suitcase from the cargohold. After 30 minutes or so I see ONE person, probably drinking cava, almost sleepwalking towards our widebody. He finds himself a stair and I can hear the cargodoor opens under my seat. 3 hrs later the captain informed us the suitcase was found. 30 minutes later I heard a dunk and saw an suitcase hitting the tarmac under wher I was seated. 1 hour later the cargodoor closed. I saw the guy sleepwalking towards the terminal building forgetting the suitcase on the tarmac etc etc. We arrived LAX well delayed. Fiijians were nice though. I remember i fucked a maid in the bush behind our hotel. She was a bushlady herself in all aspects of the word. My friend cracked when he heard my conquest as the lady was taller than me and her hairdo looked like a bush itself. Fijians are tall:-)
FreebieFan
08-19-15, 04:13
. I remember i fucked a maid in the bush behind our hotel. She was a bushlady herself in all aspects of the word. My friend cracked when he heard my conquest as the lady was taller than me and her hairdo looked like a bush itself. Fijians are tall:-)Very very tall and you are never sure of their reactions. They walk towards you, all 2. 5 metres of them with big feet, then they burst into a a happy big toothed " Bula " which is their Hello. But if you were to get on wrong side of them, serious problems. Many massage places in Nadi all run by Chinese. Happy but really big people. Friend ran a hotel there and said there was no point in shouting at them, they didn't really care.
So I am skyping with this DIA chick. She's late 20's nice body wearing a bikini and claims her family has a coconut farm in Mindinao so they send her an allowance in Cebu. Claims to have a degree in aquatic law (didn't know there was such a thing). I was planning to visit her next month in Cebu City (she lives in Alcoy which is South Cebu). I offered to meet her in Alcoy but she said there would be too much chismas (sp? Gossip). She asked if I would pay her bus ticket and I said of course and I will also give you some pesos if you stay with me. She said how much. I said 2 or 3000. She said she wanted 10,000 P. I told her she's crazy. No one will pay that. Then I blocked her on my skype account. Story #2: Met another DIA Cebuana on skype. This one was older, maybe 40's but had the biggest natural tits I have ever seen on a small Filipina frame. First thing she wants me to buy her a stove because she doesn't have one. Of course I said no. Then she gives me some sob story about her teeth and she has no pesos to even talk to me on skype. So I said ok I will send you 500 P on Western Union so we can talk. She said it's too little. I said do you want it or not. She said too little. I said again do you want it or not. She did not answer so I blocked her on skype. I would be happy to pay her 2 or 3 K to meet her but not just for online bullshit. I consider myself a generous guy but am not stupid. So many people get greedy. Like the Vietnamese chicks now want $200 a night. They're crazy so I don't go there any more. Geez it's only pussy. Most of the Filipinas are sweet and reasonable but there are many exceptions. Good luck guys.
Wicked Roger
09-05-15, 14:36
I offered to meet her in Alcoy but she said there would be too much chismas (sp? Gossip). She asked if I would pay her bus ticket and I said of course and I will also give you some pesos if you stay with me. She said how much. I said 2 or 3000. She said she wanted 10,000 P. I told her she's crazy. No one will pay that. Then I blocked her on my skype account..DC,
You let you brain be defocused by I susus LOL.
Alcoy to Cebu is less than PHP 200 - but you did the right thing.
I don't believe you. You cranky old FK. Of course you got upset. Maybe just a little?
Hope you are well. X.
I
The concept of time having no value is not restricted to random hook-ups; it's a ubiquitous characteristic here. Today I had what I thought was a doctor's appointment at 3 PM. When I arrived, about five minutes early, the corridor outside his office probably had twenty patients waiting to see him. In the outer office there were another ten or so patiently waiting. His secretary told me she would call me when he could fit me in. I asked if she was kidding and left. Two weeks ago, I walked out of a restaurant after waiting to meet a luncheon appointment who exceeded my fifteen minute wait time limit.
I don't think any of us will ever change this aspect of the culture and I imagine that the locals cannot I pretend our obsession with timeliness so ne'er the twain will meet I guess. I do know that I will never accept the lack of respect for other people's time. I no longer get upset. I just leave.
GE..
WestCoast1
09-06-15, 04:02
So I am skyping with this DIA chick. SNIP
Story #2: Met another DIA Cebuana on skype.Question. I have avoided using Skype in the past. Various folk told me that I could Skype on cam with only one other person at at time. Hence, I've stuck to YM, as I can carry on several conversations at once. Can one Skype with multiple Filipina at the same time on cam, without all of the girls knowing that I'm chatting other persons?
Only one at a time on skype, X. You can text chat with several simultaneously, tho.
Question. I have avoided using Skype in the past. Various folk told me that I could Skype on cam with only one other person at at time. Hence, I've stuck to YM, as I can carry on several conversations at once. Can one Skype with multiple Filipina at the same time on cam, without all of the girls knowing that I'm chatting other persons?.
Only one at a time on skype, X. You can text chat with several simultaneously, tho..In Skype numbers of caming can be done if have numbers of cam. Need to install a software by the name of "many cam". In YM I have no idea how a single cam can be used for numbers of coming.
GoodEnough
09-06-15, 15:52
I don't believe you. You cranky old FK. Of course you got upset. Maybe just a little?
Hope you are well. X.
I
.Thanks X. Probably less cranky and more detached now than I used to be. Besides, for political absurdity at its most blatant, once need look no further than the Republican slate of candidates in the US. For pure comic relief, nothing in this country can touch Donald Trump, and as far as I know, no local politicians get more blond as they age.
GE.
Pinaypounder
09-07-15, 03:17
Question. I have avoided using Skype in the past. Various folk told me that I could Skype on cam with only one other person at at time. Hence, I've stuck to YM, as I can carry on several conversations at once. Can one Skype with multiple Filipina at the same time on cam, without all of the girls knowing that I'm chatting other persons?You can multi chat with Skype but only use cam with one!
You can even open up multiple Skypes with different user names!
PP.
Pinaypounder
09-07-15, 03:23
So I am skyping with this DIA chick. She's late 20's nice body wearing a bikini and claims her family has a coconut farm in Mindinao so they send her an allowance in Cebu. Claims to have a degree in aquatic law (didn't know there was such a thing). I was planning to visit her next month in Cebu City (she lives in Alcoy which is South Cebu). I offered to meet her in Alcoy but she said there would be too much chismas (sp? Gossip). She asked if I would pay her bus ticket and I said of course and I will also give you some pesos if you stay with me. She said how much. I said 2 or 3000. She said she wanted 10,000 P. I told her she's crazy. No one will pay that. Then I blocked her on my skype account. Story #2: Met another DIA Cebuana on skype. This one was older, maybe 40's but had the biggest natural tits I have ever seen on a small Filipina frame. First thing she wants me to buy her a stove because she doesn't have one. Of course I said no. Then she gives me some sob story about her teeth and she has no pesos to even talk to me on skype. So I said ok I will send you 500 P on Western Union so we can talk. She said it's too little. I said do you want it or not. She said too little. I said again do you want it or not. She did not answer so I blocked her on skype. I would be happy to pay her 2 or 3 K to meet her but not just for online bullshit. I consider myself a generous guy but am not stupid. So many people get greedy. Like the Vietnamese chicks now want $200 a night. They're crazy so I don't go there any more. Geez it's only pussy. Most of the Filipinas are sweet and reasonable but there are many exceptions. Good luck guys.Why would you EVER send money to a woman you have not met. It is "people" like you that fuck everything up. There are hundreds of thousands of them, pay them for WORK but don't pay them to chat.
You are a senior member somehow but you have learned dick! And you wonder why is $ 200 to fuck in Vietnam! really?????????????
PP.
Question. I have avoided using Skype in the past. Various folk told me that I could Skype on cam with only one other person at at time. Hence, I've stuck to YM, as I can carry on several conversations at once. Can one Skype with multiple Filipina at the same time on cam, without all of the girls knowing that I'm chatting other persons?I don't know why others are saying you can't multi-cam on Skype. I do it a couple of times a week with my contractors spread across the globe. No need for extensions / downloads / plug-ins.
However, everybody knows they're in a group, and can see everybody else, so it's probably not what you're looking for unless you're planning an orgy!
Pinaypounder
09-07-15, 04:03
I don't know why others are saying you can't multi-cam on Skype. I do it a couple of times a week with my contractors spread across the globe. No need for extensions / downloads / plug-ins.
However, everybody knows they're in a group, and can see everybody else, so it's probably not what you're looking for unless you're planning an orgy!YOu can multi cam on the same chat I have done that but if you multi cam with 2 different chats they know when you are NOT speaking to them!
Ms Account
09-07-15, 05:51
On a related question to the current discussion of Skype cams.
I find it easier to retain and initiate conversations with chat mates through SMS. A lot don't have either wifi or regular internet access for skype / ym / facebook / viber etc. Assuming they have load, SMS is easier for them.
I have roaming on my Global pre-paid Filipino number. Unfortunately roaming SMS is prohibitive at somewhere around 15 pesos per message. So I quickly use up my load and have to send money to a chat mate regular to have them load my phone. Maybe it would be easier if I went to a post paid plan.
I have experimented with global SMS providers Skype and Local phone. Apart from the fact that both are horribly unreliable with not actually sending the SMS, the other problem is both say they will support showing the "sending number" as you define (they put a caveat depending on the country) but the sending number the chat mate sees is some arbitrary Skype / local phone phone number. No matter how often I train them to not to respond to the Skype number but to respond to my actual Filipino number, inevitably it creates confusion with them claiming I am not responding to their messages.
The strange thing is that if I send a SMS to my local Australian number, for both Skype and local phone it shows my designated sending number. So it appears a problem with the Philippines mobile phone exchanges.
Is anyone using a Global SMS provider that actually shows your designated sending number when sending SMS's to the Philippines?
Why would you EVER send money to a woman you have not met. It is "people" like you that fuck everything up. There are hundreds of thousands of them, pay them for WORK but don't pay them to chat.
You are a senior member somehow but you have learned dick! And you wonder why is $ 200 to fuck in Vietnam! really?????????????
PP.Read my post again you idiot.
GoodEnough
09-08-15, 01:16
Why would you EVER send money to a woman you have not met. It is "people" like you that fuck everything up. There are hundreds of thousands of them, pay them for WORK but don't pay them to chat.
You are a senior member somehow but you have learned dick! And you wonder why is $ 200 to fuck in Vietnam! really?????????????
PP.Think this is a bit harsh and a misread of the original post. As I read his post, he offered to send her the equivalent of about $11 so they could continue to chat. Seems reasonable to me.
The fact is there are lots of sob stories here, some of which are even true, and there are lots of big hearted guys who want to feel that they have the means to help others in need. Yes, there are lots of scam artistes, and yes, some of the stories are pure fiction, but I don't believe that sending modest amounts of money affects the price of P4 P one way or the other. The only differences between the Internet-based stories and those recounted face-to-face is one of distance.
GE.
WestCoast1
09-08-15, 04:45
YOu can multi cam on the same chat I have done that but if you multi cam with 2 different chats they know when you are NOT speaking to them!
However, everybody knows they're in a group, and can see everybody else, so it's probably not what you're looking for unless you're planning an orgy!Ya, that is similar to what others told me. Hence, I simply tell the girls I don't have Skype. Its an easy download, but my desire to not use it makes it easy to disengage from girls who insist on it (or claim that the caf she's in does not have YM on their computers -- a lie).
So I am skyping with this DIA chick. She's late 20's nice body wearing a bikini and claims her family has a coconut farm in Mindinao so they send her an allowance in Cebu. Claims to have a degree in aquatic law (didn't know there was such a thing). I was planning to visit her next month in Cebu City (she lives in Alcoy which is South Cebu). I offered to meet her in Alcoy but she said there would be too much chismas (sp? Gossip). She asked if I would pay her bus ticket and I said of course and I will also give you some pesos if you stay with me. She said how much. I said 2 or 3000. She said she wanted 10,000 P. I told her she's crazy. No one will pay that. Then I blocked her on my skype account. Story #2: Met another DIA Cebuana on skype. This one was older, maybe 40's but had the biggest natural tits I have ever seen on a small Filipina frame. First thing she wants me to buy her a stove because she doesn't have one. Of course I said no. Then she gives me some sob story about her teeth and she has no pesos to even talk to me on skype. So I said ok I will send you 500 P on Western Union so we can talk. She said it's too little. I said do you want it or not. She said too little. I said again do you want it or not. She did not answer so I blocked her on skype. I would be happy to pay her 2 or 3 K to meet her but not just for online bullshit. I consider myself a generous guy but am not stupid. So many people get greedy. Like the Vietnamese chicks now want $200 a night. They're crazy so I don't go there any more. Geez it's only pussy. Most of the Filipinas are sweet and reasonable but there are many exceptions. Good luck guys.Very funny. I did chat with her on skype too. She claims to be a rich lady who lives in her family home in Alcoy. If you look at her facebook pictures and Skype camera, her place is a well furnished location with a Danish taste. TV even is around 65" wide LED. So, her being a broke is bogus but I assume she is a very high paid escort. She has a lots of pictures on FB in several different Cebu hotels. She is still in my FB and she likes every picture I post.
Member #4387
09-08-15, 11:35
Think this is a bit harsh and a misread of the original post. As I read his post, he offered to send her the equivalent of about $11 so they could continue to chat. Seems reasonable to me.
The fact is there are lots of sob stories here, some of which are even true, and there are lots of big hearted guys who want to feel that they have the means to help others in need. Yes, there are lots of scam artistes, and yes, some of the stories are pure fiction, but I don't believe that sending modest amounts of money affects the price of P4 P one way or the other. The only differences between the Internet-based stories and those recounted face-to-face is one of distance.
GE.The ammount in itself isn't the problem but I have with my own eyes watched 2 girls on two seperate occations chatting with guys and made them send money for taxi, load and internetcafe. They ofcourse had no intention in meeting the guys and did a swift experiment in my room and I watched closely. I don't remember the ammount for both but as in a 20 min work the first girl got 1000 piso in total and if you work that way for a few hours she could earn a decent daily salary only bullshitting guys. The other girl managed to get less in around the same ammount of time and the punters she was skyping stood their ground.
Its ok to me and each guy loss is limited to only what's called next to nothing in western standards. Even if I am not cashsensitive I make it very clear during precom I am not going to pay anything and they have to arrange the ie transport etc themself to get here. Maybe in time I have lost a few gems enroute but since the barrels are full of girls hooking a new one is not exactly great science. So in this aspect, money small and everything, I don't like beeing treated as a fool so to me it is just about having certain ground rules I stand by.
Despite this if me and a girl are working out from the Smart platform I have sometimes send pasaloads, 10-20 pisos, just to make sure the girl have load until she arrives safe and sound. Oposite I have got pasaload from a girl send to me (I was only testing her out and no big deal, just fun).
All in all I agree with you GE and each to his own but just be aware what might can happen.
The ammount in itself isn't the problem but I have with my own eyes watched 2 I know several girls with BF in Denmark, Norway and USA. They date and party with me while they get supported by their BF or husbands. I am the "Other Guy". Guys need to be more careful whom they send money to but it is not my business to educate them.
Ya, that is similar to what others told me. Hence, I simply tell the girls I don't have Skype. Its an easy download, but my desire to not use it makes it easy to disengage from girls who insist on it (or claim that the caf she's in does not have YM on their computers -- a lie).Yeah, Yahoo is unfortunately the norm.
Mind you, Skype seems to be getting worse and worse. Barely a day goes by without me or one of the others having to drop and rejoin the call because it's either half speed (underwater) or double speed (chipmunk), or simply no voice at all. However, when it *does* work, it's far better quality than what YM is (or at least was, last time I used it).
Fastpiston
09-11-15, 01:43
The ammount in itself isn't the problem but I have with my own eyes watched 2 girls on two seperate occations chatting with guys and made them send money for taxi, load and internetcafe. They ofcourse had no intention in meeting the guys and did a swift experiment in my room and I watched closely. I don't remember the ammount for both but as in a 20 min work the first girl got 1000 piso in total and if you work that way for a few hours she could earn a decent daily salary only bullshitting guys. The other girl managed to get less in around the same ammount of time and the punters she was skyping stood their ground.
Its ok to me and each guy loss is limited to only what's called next to nothing in western standards. Even if I am not cashsensitive I make it very clear during precom I am not going to pay anything and they have to arrange the ie transport etc themself to get here. Maybe in time I have lost a few gems enroute but since the barrels are full of girls hooking a new one is not exactly great science. So in this aspect, money small and everything, I don't like beeing treated as a fool so to me it is just about having certain ground rules I stand by.
Despite this if me and a girl are working out from the Smart platform I have sometimes send pasaloads, 10-20 pisos, just to make sure the girl have load until she arrives safe and sound. Oposite I have got pasaload from a girl send to me (I was only testing her out and no big deal, just fun).
All in all I agree with you GE and each to his own but just be aware what might can happen.Pasaloads, little $ amounts to keep fires burning in the hearth, feeding for sex, good idea.
Just be careful about paying for 'college', buying a house and. Wait for it. Wait for it. Signing any legal marriage papers.
Fastpiston
09-11-15, 01:55
Very funny. I did chat with her on skype too. She claims to be a rich lady who lives in her family home in Alcoy. If you look at her facebook pictures and Skype camera, her place is a well furnished location with a Danish taste. TV even is around 65" wide LED. So, her being a broke is bogus but I assume she is a very high paid escort. She has a lots of pictures on FB in several different Cebu hotels. She is still in my FB and she likes every picture I post.I have met two of these.
One I encountered with a rich Filipino friend of mine. He knew what she was, so did I, but she really had traveled the world, knew all those places extremely well as I did, talked the talk, and never let on what she was. She was very smart and clever.
Another I met on a flight from Manila to Bangkok. Again a really impressive talker. Had a work permit in Singapore, but always shifted talk away when I probed for details. She was meeting an Aussie in BKK who I saw at the airport when we arrived. Again, obviously a top end hooker. She later contacted me and wanted to chat with me from Singapore, but I did not follow up as these type girls are looking for many $. Choice: pay $$ for bullshit talk and a round or two, or many many $ rounds. I choose the later.
There is another explanation for the behavior of the lady on the mnl-BKK flight.
She may have a profile on Travel Girls, and be one of those women who travel the world as companions. Sometimes this involves payment of money.
But sometimes it does not involve money, only coverage of expenses.
And sometimes it includes sex, and sometimes not. Depends.
Some guys want good companionship and conversation more than sex.
G
I have met two of these.
One I encountered with a rich Filipino friend of mine. He knew what she was, so did I, but she really had traveled the world, knew all those places extremely well as I did, talked the talk, and never let on what she was. She was very smart and clever.
Another I met on a flight from Manila to Bangkok. Again a really impressive talker. Had a work permit in Singapore, but always shifted talk away when I probed for details. She was meeting an Aussie in BKK who I saw at the airport when we arrived. Again, obviously a top end hooker. She later contacted me and wanted to chat with me from Singapore, but I did not follow up as these type girls are looking for many $. Choice: pay $$ for bullshit talk and a round or two, or many many $ rounds. I choose the later.
Ok. This is lady everyone talking about from cebu. Alcoy.
Ok. This is lady everyone talking about from cebu. Alcoy.Impossible to tell from her back to the camera but the background living room is similar to what I saw on skype. In any case any guy that pays any chick the equivalent of 10,000 P for one night is stupid nuts. You could get four or five girls for that or at least three lookers.
Impossible to tell from her back to the camera but the background living room is similar to what I saw on skype. In any case any guy that pays any chick the equivalent of 10,000 P for one night is stupid nuts. You could get four or five girls for that or at least three lookers.I didn't want to post her face without blocking it. So, I choose that picture. She is a smooth operator. Like I said she is in my facebook and she put like on most of my pictures.
BrainDrain
09-17-15, 08:21
This year I've had total four trips to the RP already and it has been quite a shagfest when I haven't been working. In this time I have met three ladies whom have done an excellent job of portraying the "I've never done this before, innocent pinay" ploy.
I've been able to use the location features of wechat, not to monitor them, but to put a "honey pot" profile close to their area. It isn't too long before they reach out with a nice "Hello" to the new guy in their patch. So in this way, my real profile is here at home with me, yet the other profile is in their play area and they are willing to meet. They have a good story and business model.
I love baiting them with things like "Have you ever been to ABC Hotel, (Where I shagged her last time) and she replies never and I point out the photo in her news feed of her in my ABC Bathroom mirror. That pic disappared so fast.
Anyway, it's amazing how aggressive they get as they feel themselves getting cornered. One poor honey had me new profile lined up for a P5 k shag only to get message from other me letting her know I was arriving at a similar time. My goodness she was peddling fast to keep both her boyfriends happy. FOr the record, one guy got told "She had party with friends, see you after."
I"ve come away from this with a much better understanding and now, that as wonderful as I think I am, many of these girls just also want to play the game, just like me.
Hi BD, given the choice I'm sure these girls would rather marry a poriner and get on his gravy train but they soon realize that we are mostly horndogs not willing to commit to one and only. That's why I don't query them about their other lovers (as long as they take time for me). That would really be a double standard. Some pinays, however, remain optimistic about finding "the one" which I think is a universal myth propagated by females for females.
I"ve come away from this with a much better understanding and now, that as wonderful as I think I am, many of these girls just also want to play the game, just like me..
Dark Knight1
09-17-15, 15:36
Hi BD, given the choice I'm sure these girls would rather marry a poriner and get on his gravy train but they soon realize that we are mostly horndogs not willing to commit to one and only. That's why I don't query them about their other lovers (as long as they take time for me). That would really be a double standard. Some pinays, however, remain optimistic about finding "the one" which I think is a universal myth propagated by females for females..Filipinas would rather marry a wealthy Filipino. Foreigners are a second choice and in most cases an only choice once they have been ostracized by their own society.
BrainDrain
09-18-15, 01:37
Filipinas would rather marry a wealthy Filipino. Foreigners are a second choice and in most cases an only choice once they have been ostracized by their own society.There are many more girls than there are wealthy pinoy. BUt I also accept that a relationship for a pinay with a pinoy is possibly better.
BrainDrain
09-21-15, 02:58
This year I've had total four trips to the RP already and it has been quite a shagfest when I haven't been working. In this time I have met three ladies whom have done an excellent job of portraying the "I've never done this before, innocent pinay" ploy.
Well I am so disappointed. The lovely lady that I left behind in Manila last week declaring our true love for each other and ongoing love has been put to the test this morning.
My alterego, a new "nice western guy" on wechat sitting in her local starbucks was able to get a date with her. Seems she is single today, which is convenient for her new 'date'.
Disappointed but not surprised.
Senior members can PM me for details of how to configure.
BD.
Dark Knight1
09-21-15, 14:48
Well I am so disappointed. The lovely lady that I left behind in Manila last week declaring our true love for each other and ongoing love has been put to the test this morning.
My alterego, a new "nice western guy" on wechat sitting in her local starbucks was able to get a date with her. Seems she is single today, which is convenient for her new 'date'.
Disappointed but not surprised.
Senior members can PM me for details of how to configure.
BD.Don't know how your disappointed. Filipinas don't brood on relationships like Westerners. When things are not going their way or there is potential for greater gain they will move on to the next victim in a blink of an eye and unlike westerners will never think of past relationships. Their minds in this regard are like steal traps how they seeming shut out unpleasant memories such as all the cocks they have sucked, semen they have consumed and anal episodes from elderly, overweight strangers. They only seem to brood when embarrassed or their false sense of pride is challenged as their male counterparts.
Great Muta
10-07-15, 21:00
I can't stress enough how important it is to create a 2nd fake account if you treat your girl as anything but a hoe online. If they are on facebook, hit me up and I'll do it for you. I literally talk to 15-20 girls a day and they are all cheaters. You can't treat these girls as anything but hoes. Just tell them you want to marry them and give them a "mixed kid" and they will suddenly love you.
These are all girls I either talk to or talked to.
- A single mom to be as soon as that hell spawn pops out. Of course she doesn't use condoms and of course she was pregnant within a few weeks. She had two bf's and is now down to 0 after the pregnancy. Hoping to play with those milk jugs soon.
- 2 others are also now single moms after one night stands with guys who weren't their boyfriends. I can tell you that babies make girls age hard.
- One has atleast 3 different BF's that I know of, plus 50+ other guys telling her they love her on their profile. She sent boob pics to my alter ego within an hour. She will let me fill her pussy up like a cum gas station as I please.
- One girl took a vacation to another country with a foreigner due to trying to get revenge on her current bf. She also considered putting a cucumber in a guys ass for money. She dates one guy and takes cash from another, while flirting with multiple men twice her age. She actually stopped working as the money guy gives her enough. She also let another guy creampie her while she had a BF. Doesn't worry about a 3rd kid even though she has no job.
- One has double accounts and doesn't allow you to add her as a friend on either, as each account is for different boys. One of her BF's bought her underwear which she so nicely modeled for me. She's in her 50's, has no steady job but blames corruption for holding her down.
- Many who think its cool to post sexy photos in groups for all to see while not getting why their BF's are mad at them.
- One who said that telling a guy that he can have her love, while she had a BF, claimed that was just "a joke".
- One that I really thought was good just agreed to a secret meet with my 2nd profile alter ego.
- There was one I used to skype with while her husband was in the other room.
- One who had a BF that claimed that when she told a guy she was single, that it meant she was a single mom, as she was divorced from her husband.
- One who was getting her visa and agreed to meet up with me when she arrived.
- This one is a friend of fuck, but she's 20 and wanted to marry with a 75 year old.
- One who just got married after knowing a guy for 2 months, after leaving her BF for him, is already upset at the new husband and has agreed to meet me.
- Got one who tells me she loves me, but yet refuses to let me see her "secret fb".
- Had one who of course loved me and all that, but yet had a group she created in facebook where she regularly posted nude that she never told me about. It was cool for her to send naked pics to guys, but when I did it to her female friends, it was a problem.
- One who loves her BF and is either engaged or broken up with him, but yet sends me boob pics on demand.
- A hooker, who got pregnant from a korean customer twice her age and now is "planning to be a single mom", with no job add you.
- I don't really talk to this one, but she needs money and offered to blow me for cash. I'll give her a buzz when its time.
- One who shares a bed with, holds hands with and does other questionable weird shit with her gay cousin.
The bad thing is that these girls pretty much soured me on ever trusting a female again.
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