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Streetlooker

10-19-17, 06:08

Brought a smile to my face.

They are short of money, we are short of honey, the two get together and everyone is happy!Just remember however that when you negotiate a relationship deal with a bargirl be it a Short time encounter. A long time encounter, or a serious live in relationship encounter with a filipina. You do so from a position of strength and get the terms of service YOU want. If any girl says no to my terms then I don; t pay her bar and she goes back to the stage. A girl must answer 2 questions before she even gets a drink. 1 Are you a cherry girl? (I really wish cherry girls could be better marked so you know which ones are cherry from a distance. Maybe put a BIG red V on there damn foreheads LOL. 2. Are you currently on your Menstruation rendering you useless to me at this time. (some Korean bars do have a girl wearing a ribbon in their hair marking that they are on the red flow. One had them with a RED tag over their number tag) I do find this to be a very good thing saves time when picking. Once they get the drink I ask them if they like LT or ST. I want LT so I can get 2 pops in. 2 will you give me 2 pops one now one in the morning. 3 I will fuck you hard long and fast and in any position I want you in and I got a HUGE dick (I really don; t think my dick is big at all but they seem to think its huge. I can only wonder that their must be a lot of guys out there with little tiny peckers if the girls think mine is big because its not even close to big IMO. Or that they are lying to me about the size and just don; t want to fuck hard for there money). 4. Do you give BJS? A lot of girls complain about doing this. 5 You BJ me and I fuck you with no condom is this ok?. And that's it, if they agree to these terms I BF them and I have not had nothing but good service from the girls who I have taken for the most part.

Streetlooker

10-19-17, 06:16

FWIW, I find Filipinos a lot less mercenary than non working girls from many other countries. It could be the language thing. But I get a lot of freebies from Filipinos in and outside the country.If you use the Find fuck forget rule on them sure you get some freebies. However they might have let you fuck them for free but it was with a plan to bag you in the long term. Sometimes it doesn't work for them. Lets face it a filipina only has one thing of value to give a guy and that's her pussy.

Bushes

10-19-17, 15:46

If you use the Find fuck forget rule on them sure you get some freebies. However they might have let you fuck them for free but it was with a plan to bag you in the long term. Sometimes it doesn't work for them. Lets face it a filipina only has one thing of value to give a guy and that's her pussy.
Read what CM just wrote (below) as your comment means you don't quite understand the pinay logic and the fact they maybe 'ashamed' to ask. Next time be generous not cheap and slip something like a blue one or two into their bag?I am thick but not that thick. I avoid mothers and hard core pros and most of the girls have other sources of income. I avoid girls with hard luck stories. I give a small donation and walk away. I would be clear that I am looking only for fun without commitment. Some girls would make it clear they are not looking for boy friends; as in they want suitable compensation and hence want to enter negotiations.

My definition of a freebie is that there are no monetary negotiations nor expectations. I do contribute with vacation, material goods, and sometimes monetary gifts; but not at WG prices. I have the benefit of time and access so I can pick and choose. Some have been meeting me for years. Many have moved on to marriages with foreigners or fellow countrymen. (and they still sneak messages to me, beats me why).

Most Filipinos are happy with the arrangements. More of the other nationalities are always looking renegotiate higher. I don't hold it against them. If they can get a guy to pay more, why not. I know and hear about what some guys pay. They are letting the little guy do the thinking.

Chocha Monger

10-20-17, 00:52

I watched the critically acclaimed documentary film 'Motherland' produced by filmmaker Ramona S. Diaz. It really made some things clear about the population explosion in the Philippines. The film documents the daily happenings on the maternity ward at Dr. Jose Fabella Hospital located in Santa Cruz, Manila. This maternity hospital is called a "baby factory" because it has the highest birth rate among all hospitals in the Philippines.

The blame for the Philippines' overpopulation crisis often falls on the government and the church but Motherland may challenge these perceptions. The hospital gives mothers classes on family planning, and provides free intrauterine devices (IUDs) and tubal ligation. Yet, after being educated on family planning the poor mothers living in grinding poverty, often in squatter towns, repeatedly refuse to avail themselves of the free family planning services offered to them before leaving the hospital.

One attractive mestiza nurse shows her frustration as she tries to convince a 19-year-old mother to get a free IUD implanted before going home. The young Pinay mother resists insisting that the pregnancy was just an accident and she does not have sex regularly with her boyfriend. When the nurse presses her further for the real reason behind her refusal of the IUD, the girl reveals that her mother told her not to accept any form of family planning. The nurse then told her that it was inevitable that her boyfriend would have sex with her again, and warned that following her mother advice would lead her to the same fate of having 10 children. The nurse then asks her if she asks her mother for permission when she has sex with her boyfriend. The girl laughs and says that she does not. The nurse having made her point tells the girl that it is up to her to protect herself from future pregnancies and their consequences on her life. So, the availability and cost of contraceptives is not necessarily the problem. The girls and their parents obviously want large numbers of children even without the resources to provide for them adequately. This is not surprising in a culture where children and grandchildren are the retirement plan.

The nurses encouraged the mothers with several children and scarce resources to have tubal ligation. One of the women declared that a tubal ligation would allow her to cheat more freely on her husband, as not having the fear of pregnancy would make her "unlimited" in sex. The other Pinays in her group nodded in agreement and laughed. Throughout the film, the women expressed their eagerness to get back to having sex. This caused the nurses concern that the women who refused family planning would return to give birth again within a year.

Many of the fathers were unemployed or precariously employed on a part-time basis. However, all of the families came up with some money to pay the hospital bill, which ranged from 11 K to 17 K pesos. The mothers could not leave the hospital with their babies without paying the bill. While the girls often tell foreigners, there is no help for the poor at the public hospitals that is not true. There was means testing and the families paid what they could with charities picking up the remainder of the bill. The hospital provides free medications for the mothers and babies as long as they remain admitted. Still, some women choose to go HAMA (Home Against Medical Advice), which the nurses warn will result in the termination of free prescriptions.

In summary, the Pinays have babies that they cannot afford because they want them although they tell us otherwise. Many refuse free family planning resources. The ones who make use of contraception see it as a license for having unlimited sex with unlimited partners as much as they love eating unlimited rice at Mang Inasal. Their 'emergency' hospital bills will get paid without the help of your money. The hospitals have relationships with charities that take care of that sort thing. Pinays routinely have sex with their penniless unemployed boyfriends who reckless spray sperms in their pussies with intent to impregnate. The no money, no honey rule does not apply to the Filipino fellas.

The documentary is streaming on PBS until the middle of next month. http://www.pbs.org/pov/motherland/.

BrainDrain

10-20-17, 11:26

I've been chatting with a pay for play Filipina online. She suggested that I watch her get banged by another guy and then fuck her. I'm not sure if this is the beginning of a con or robbery, but I have noticed a fair number of Filipinas with ads suggesting this kind of scenario. Are they just an exhibitionist culture, or is this a trick?My instinct is that it might be some kind of scam. What's in it for you? Why come to Pinas to go sloppy seconds? If you suggested it is your thing then that's your choice, not hers.

When you are on the ground in AC it's not too hard to put together your own crew to do this.

Disclaimer: whatever floats your boat.

BD.

BrainDrain

10-20-17, 11:33

I am thick but not that thick. I avoid mothers and hard core pros and most of the girls have other sources of income. I avoid girls with hard luck stories..How do you avoid mothers?

I have a preference for non-mothers as their focus is less on money ie they don't have the pressure to send money to their family for support.

In hindsight A great girl whom I later burned off was.

- 26 year old.

- no child (tight body).

- parents were both dead (less money demands).

- one sibling (supporting her through university).

- reliable (always on time).

But there are so many mothers available in Philippines and they love sex too.

BD.

Bushes

10-20-17, 16:42

How do you avoid mothers?

I have a preference for non-mothers as their focus is less on money ie they don't have the pressure to send money to their family for support.

In hindsight A great girl whom I later burned off was.

- 26 year old.

- no child (tight body).

- parents were both dead (less money demands).

- one sibling (supporting her through university).

- reliable (always on time).

But there are so many mothers available in Philippines and they love sex too.

BD.I avoid mothers to avoid the drama, to avoid hurting their feelings or expectations, to avoid loose pussy and stretch marks, and to avoid possibly adversely affecting the next generation. I ask straight out. But we all know the truth is a flexible concept with the fairer sex.

Some that stay with me do sometimes get sent off to classes. Not that it really helps but it is a start.

I also strongly encourage birth control even if condoms are used or requested. There are many methods out there. I was actually surprised that some know but don't use. Even though some have confessed that they don't know why they like sex so much and sometimes feel they are abnormal. Some of the college grads are quite sharp and know the score but being on birth control has a stigma in their minds; better to give in to a weak will than to anticipate defeat.

I think everyone will eventually hit a crisis and ask for help. The problem is when the grandmother passes away four times.

Not 'gifting' the poor Filipinos we shag, is a mean act.I don't do them. Not my cup of tea.

WestCoast1

10-20-17, 17:55

Great report. My info below is from my experience in 2 separate provinces (different from CM's info in that its not from the big city, and not from a documentary, however the info and outcomes are almost identical, showing a cultural and cross-geographical / island similarity).

The blame for the Philippines' overpopulation crisis often falls on the government and the church but Motherland may challenge these perceptions. The hospital gives mothers classes on family planning, and provides free intrauterine devices (IUDs) and tubal ligation. Yet, after being educated on family planning the poor mothers living in grinding poverty, often in squatter towns, repeatedly refuse to avail themselves of the free family planning services offered to them before leaving the hospital.In one of the provinces I was out for my morning walk when I passed by the largest of the local Catholic churches. It was about 6 am. The local church has not only a cathedral for mass, but next door on the church grounds are other church-owned buildings. There was a banner there, in big letters it read like: "Family Planning Clinic. Classes Monday and Saturday 4 pm". A few days later I was walking by again early in the morning and there was a late-20's priest walking by (robes and all). I stopped him and asked about the classes. "Ah family planning sir. You know. What a woman does before she gets pregnant, during her pregnancy, and what she should do after the baby is born. Like that". I see, birth control, to prevent pregancy. "Ah no sir. Not like that. Before she's pregant they teach time of month she can get pregant. Like that". Yes, sounds like how to prevent a pregnancy, ovulation times. "No sir. Time of month, how to GET pregnant. How to have healthy baby. Medical after pregnant. Like that". I had an AHA moment! "Haha sir will you like to attend a class?" We both laughed. Even the Catholics can be funny at times. I'll ask the pope fella.

One attractive mestiza nurse shows her frustration as she tries to convince a 19-year-old mother to get a free IUD implanted before going home. The young Pinay mother resists insisting that the pregnancy was just an accident and she does not have sex regularly with her boyfriend. When the nurse presses her further for the real reason behind her refusal of the IUD, the girl reveals that her mother told her not to accept any form of family planning. The nurse then told her that it was inevitable that her boyfriend would have sex with her again, and warned that following her mother advice would lead her to the same fate of having 10 children. The nurse then asks her if she asks her mother for permission when she has sex with her boyfriend. The girl laughs and says that she does not. The nurse having made her point tells the girl that it is up to her to protect herself from future pregnancies and their consequences on her life. So, the availability and cost of contraceptives is not necessarily the problem. The girls and their parents obviously want large numbers of children even without the resources to provide for them adequately. This is not surprising in a culture where children and grandchildren are the retirement plan.In both provinces I referred to, every one of my regulars (except one) either furiously spurt out babies (about one child every year or two years), or they are trying to spurt out a child. The lone holdout is 22 and while she is a horny tart who likes sexing both her pinoy boyfriend and me, she is cautious and wants to wait until she's married and older before having a child. With the exception of her, all the others give the appearance to an outsider that they are baby-making machines (or wanting desperately to be one for those who can't get pregant).

The nurses encouraged the mothers with several children and scarce resources to have tubal ligation. One of the women declared that a tubal ligation would allow her to cheat more freely on her husband, as not having the fear of pregnancy would make her "unlimited" in sex. The other Pinays in her group nodded in agreement and laughed. Throughout the film, the women expressed their eagerness to get back to having sex. This caused the nurses concern that the women who refused family planning would return to give birth again within a year.All the others in both provinces fall into one of two categories:

1) Will cheat on her boyfriend with anyone. Like the girls in the documentary, they may or may not crave sex, but they crave babies.

2) Will cheat on her boyfriend, but selectively (foreigners only). One girl explained it like this. Having been with me for about 7-8 years, I discovered 2 years into that time that she had a live-in boyfriend. "My heart beat to him". I see. Yet you spend several nights in my bed everytime I come here. Do you also cheat your boyfriend with other pinoy? "No!" Why then with me? Money? "Yes. But also can get Phil / Am baby. I want baby so much". I see. You prefer baby first to your boyfriend? Or to me? "I don't care that. I trying long time both of you. I want fregnint!" She's horny when drunk, and not so much when sober. However, regardless of her horny level, she sexes me often (and initiates with DFK), I think in an attempt to get pregant. Since admitting to having a boyfriend (and gone thru several since) she has been consistent in reiterating to me that she wants to get FREGNINT by me when she's not having a current pinoy boyfriend, and FREGNINT by either myself or her pinoy boyfriend when she is in such a relationship.

Its clear to me that all of the ladies in both provinces that I'm speaking of (my regulars), minus one, are baby-making machines. They get jealous when another girl gets pregnant and they aren't. There is a strong push from their family for her to get pregant, and to help care for her current children (thus incentivizing her to get pregnant again). Remember she is not raising 4 kids; she has a lola and tita next door helping, and mother and sisters at home helping. They expand. They shrink. They expand. They shrink. Rinse / lather / repeat. In addition, all of these girls are barrio rats. I know that sounds derogatory, but I mean it in the sense that they don't have any desire to leave home or their barangay. They are not waiting for a rich foreigner to whisk them away to a better life in his country. Leave the father of her 4 kids? Leave the home where she grew up (and will probably die)? Leave her extended fam and neighbors (its all she's ever known)? These girls don't prowl the Internet with dating site profiles. She's busy making a life -- by making more lives. Pillow talk: "Westy God want it". Really. "Yes we learn at the church. Its in the Bible". Really, I have the Bible on my phone, can you show me where in the Bible? "No but we learn it at church". Got it, and turn over here sweetie. Seems God's not the only one who wants it tonight.

Many of the fathers were unemployed or precariously employed on a part-time basis. However, all of the families came up with some money to pay the hospital bill, which ranged from 11 K to 17 K pesos. The mothers could not leave the hospital with their babies without paying the bill. While the girls often tell foreigners, there is no help for the poor at the public hospitals that is not true. There was means testing and the families paid what they could with charities picking up the remainder of the bill. The hospital provides free medications for the mothers and babies as long as they remain admitted. Still, some women choose to go HAMA (Home Against Medical Advice), which the nurses warn will result in the termination of free prescriptions.This struck a cord. The fathers. Many go for months without work (work often is construction-related manual labor). When working, they get 2 days this week, maybe 4 days next week. Under p200/ day.

When you cum in a pinay and she pulls you closer while you're cumming, thrusting her groin up to you, digging her heals into your asscheeks, clamping you into her like a vice, that's probably baby-hunger. I would say 'God bless' this pinay, but I think God is blessing you both at that moment. Long wave the Philippine flag. . .

Bushes

10-20-17, 18:44

WestCoast1

10-21-17, 14:14

Surprised that the documentary got through as parallel problems are a lot closer to home, my home. It is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.Bush thanks for the input. What do you mean by the pot calling the kettle black (didn't understand the reference)?

CallSign Papa

10-21-17, 15:14

Bush thanks for the input. What do you mean by the pot calling the kettle black (didn't understand the reference)?Think he means he's equally happy to get them pregnant, I know there have been many times I was very close to doing just that.

Bushes

10-21-17, 16:52

Bush thanks for the input. What do you mean by the pot calling the kettle black (didn't understand the reference)?To begin with, I plead ignorance as I have not seen the documentary. But I assume it is to documentary that touches on the issues with the poverty cycle and the financial and other challenges families face with raising a baby / children. (I can image all those grannies going tsk tsk).

My comment of the pot is that the US faces that issue too. They don't need to find examples from across the ocean. There is already a political storm on how to take care of underprivileged children within its borders. There is also a political storm on how to stop countries from sending their underprivileged children to the US.

BBC is also reporting on how Oxford and Cambridge are not doing enough to let underprivileged children through its gates and having the necessary support to bring those children up to standard.

Bushes

10-21-17, 16:53

Think he means he's equally happy to get them pregnant, I know there have been many times I was very close to doing just that.That type of input probably does not help the situation, IMHO. LOL.

Chocha Monger

10-22-17, 01:11

Think he means he's equally happy to get them pregnant, I know there have been many times I was very close to doing just that.I believe you are right, as he mentions it happening in his country. He did not look at the documentary as the filmmaker Ramon S. Diaz is a Filipina. She did not include any critical narrative in the film. In fact, she did not include any narrative at all. The dialogue is translated from Tagalog into English subtitles. She just rolled the cameras and captured what was taking place, which is the genius behind the documentary. Maybe he thinks it was a foreign film criticizing Filipinos and they would object to it getting out. It is not. It simply shows what is, without offering opinions on the matter. After the credits roll, Diaz explains that she just captures the people doing what they do normally.

She said, "The joy felt at Fabella is no different from the joy experienced by mothers and fathers worldwide. But because the film takes place in the Philippines, I invite audiences to witness similar situations from the starkly different perspective of a poor, densely populated, Catholic country. I hope that in viewing this film, audiences will discover the connective tissue that binds us all as members of the global community of caregivers."

Hutsori

10-22-17, 07:23

...let underprivileged children through its gates and having the necessary support to bring those children up to standard.Firstly, they're adults. Secondly, to get through the gates they need to attain the standard first. High school and sixth form is where they learn the standards. Don't dumb down good unis; allow excellence to exist. There are other, less challenging schools for those who aren't qualified. Lastly, the news mentions lack of enrollment, but it doesn't mention how many applied, how many were accepted, and how many decided to attend a different uni because they find Oxbridge intimidating socially. Why do you think journalists amplify somethings and omit others?

Bushes

10-22-17, 14:05

Quote Originally Posted by Bushes
...let underprivileged children through its gates and having the necessary support to bring those children up to standard.

Firstly, they're adults. Secondly, to get through the gates they need to attain the standard first. High school and sixth form is where they learn the standards. Don't dumb down good unis; allow excellence to exist. There are other, less challenging schools for those who aren't qualified. Lastly, the news mentions lack of enrollment, but it doesn't mention how many applied, how many were accepted, and how many decided to attend a different uni because they find Oxbridge intimidating socially. Why do you think journalists amplify somethings and omit others?Good for you to recognize what journalists do. People should look at the "Motherland" on an US PBS station, I assume, because I cannot get it where I am, and track down the BBC news report. Form your own opinions.

From the Cambridge website:

"The deadline for your UCAS application is 15 October."

"There's no age requirement for admission to Cambridge, although the vast majority of undergraduates are 18 years or older when they start their course. If you'll be over 21 when you start your course you are classified as a mature student.

All students must demonstrate that they have the maturity and personal skills to cope with university level study, and will be able to gain full benefit from the course when admitted.

Applicants who'll be under 18 on admission should seek advice from a College Admissions Tutor as early as possible to discuss their application. If they're considering Medicine, they should also read the advice regarding age requirements for this course in the Medicine course entry.

Applicants who would be under the age of 16 on admission may also be subject to additional requirements and restrictions in order to comply with legislation."

Have to. I have a last load that my SYT is patiently waiting to take care of in the next room.

Bushes

10-22-17, 17:53

I could not find a video but found a related article on the BBC website. Quote:

'Serious inequalities'.

A spokesman for Cambridge said its admissions were based on academic considerations alone, adding that the greatest barrier to disadvantaged students was poor results.

"We currently spend £5 m a year on access measures leading to 190,000 interactions with pupils and teachers."

As you said, the journalist was projecting a certain view. Tone, mannerism, video clipping would probably lead to a better understanding of the message being delivered.

Firstly, they're adults. Secondly, to get through the gates they need to attain the standard first. High school and sixth form is where they learn the standards. Don't dumb down good unis; allow excellence to exist. There are other, less challenging schools for those who aren't qualified. Lastly, the news mentions lack of enrollment, but it doesn't mention how many applied, how many were accepted, and how many decided to attend a different uni because they find Oxbridge intimidating socially. Why do you think journalists amplify somethings and omit others?

Bushes

10-23-17, 08:02

WestCoast1,

I case you are interested. From the cnbcnews website, here is a clipping:

Statistics show just what that fullness means. Children of unmarried mothers of any race are more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock.

The black community's 72 percent rate eclipses that of most other groups: 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native Americans were born to unwed mothers in 2008, the most recent year for which government figures are available. The rate for the overall USA Population was 41 percent.

Love your pictures. I am not so dexterous to be able to snap while doing other tasks. Steady shot doesn't appear to help. Well have to rush and finish up so I can go to bed early tonight so my uni girl can get up early to beat the traffic to her AM classes.

Bush thanks for the input. What do you mean by the pot calling the kettle black (didn't understand the reference)?

To begin with, I plead ignorance as I have not seen the documentary. But I assume it is to documentary that touches on the issues with the poverty cycle and the financial and other challenges families face with raising a baby / children. (I can image all those grannies going tsk tsk).

My comment of the pot is that the US faces that issue too. They don't need to find examples from across the ocean. There is already a political storm on how to take care of underprivileged children within its borders. There is also a political storm on how to stop countries from sending their underprivileged children to the US.

BBC is also reporting on how Oxford and Cambridge are not doing enough to let underprivileged children through its gates and having the necessary support to bring those children up to standard.

Bushes

10-24-17, 08:50

Chocha Monger. Read your tome to Stanford grad and US based filmmaker Ramona Diaz. Just wanted to point out some things. Note, only did Sundance offer funding but it also offered a prize.

While I was born and raised in the Philippines, I've lived my entire adult life in the United States. I'm both an insider and an outsider, which allows me to have a distinct point of view. "

— Ramona Diaz, Filmmaker.

"Motherland (2017)".

Production Funding provided by.

Sundance Institute Documentary Film Program.

Chicken and Egg Pictures.

Catapult Film Fund.

Motherland Is a Co-production of CINEDIAZ, Inc. , Independent Television Service (Itvs) and American Documentary.

POV, With Funding Provided by Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB).

FROM "HuffingtonPost:

Diaz, who was born and raised in the Philippines, lives with her husband, Rajiv Rimal, in Baltimore, where they are raising their American-born daughter, Sabina Diaz-Rimal, who is now a ninth grader. Diaz is a graduate of Emerson College, Boston and holds an MA in Communication from Stanford University.

From BaltimoreOutLoud.

Ramona S. Diaz, another Baltimore-based filmmaker, will bring audiences her documentary Motherland. Having premiered at this year's Sundance Film Festival (2017) the film delves into the world's busiest maternity ward, located in the Philippines. Diaz is also a past alumnus of the MdFF for her work on 2004's "Imelda" and 2011's "The Learning. "

Diaz was born in Makati and studied at Assumption College before her family moved to the United States.

RAMONA DIAZ IS QUOTED AS SAYING:

"Because, you know, that hospital has been covered by the BBC, The New York Times, and other media outlets."

I watched the critically acclaimed documentary film 'Motherland' produced by filmmaker Ramona S. Diaz. It really made some things clear about the population explosion in the Philippines. The film documents the daily happenings on the maternity ward at Dr. Jose Fabella Hospital located in Santa Cruz, Manila. This maternity hospital is called a "baby factory" because it has the highest birth rate among all hospitals in the Philippines.

The blame for the Philippines' overpopulation crisis often falls on the government and the church but Motherland may challenge these perceptions. The hospital gives mothers classes on family planning, and provides free intrauterine devices (IUDs) and tubal ligation. Yet, after being educated on family planning the poor mothers living in grinding poverty, often in squatter towns, repeatedly refuse to avail themselves of the free family planning services offered to them before leaving the hospital.

One attractive mestiza nurse shows her frustration as she tries to convince a 19-year-old mother to get a free IUD implanted before going home. The young Pinay mother resists insisting that the pregnancy was just an accident and she does not have sex regularly with her boyfriend. When the nurse presses her further for the real reason behind her refusal of the IUD, the girl reveals that her mother told her not to accept any form of family planning. The nurse then told her that it was inevitable that her boyfriend would have sex with her again, and warned that following her mother advice would lead her to the same fate of having 10 children. The nurse then asks her if she asks her mother for permission when she has sex with her boyfriend. The girl laughs and says that she does not. The nurse having made her point tells the girl that it is up to her to protect herself from future pregnancies and their consequences on her life. So, the availability and cost of contraceptives is not necessarily the problem. The girls and their parents obviously want large numbers of children even without the resources to provide for them adequately. This is not surprising in a culture where children and grandchildren are the retirement plan.

The nurses encouraged the mothers with several children and scarce resources to have tubal ligation. One of the women declared that a tubal ligation would allow her to cheat more freely on her husband, as not having the fear of pregnancy would make her "unlimited" in sex. The other Pinays in her group nodded in agreement and laughed. Throughout the film, the women expressed their eagerness to get back to having sex. This caused the nurses concern that the women who refused family planning would return to give birth again within a year.

Many of the fathers were unemployed or precariously employed on a part-time basis. However, all of the families came up with some money to pay the hospital bill, which ranged from 11 K to 17 K pesos. The mothers could not leave the hospital with their babies without paying the bill. While the girls often tell foreigners, there is no help for the poor at the public hospitals that is not true. There was means testing and the families paid what they could with charities picking up the remainder of the bill. The hospital provides free medications for the mothers and babies as long as they remain admitted. Still, some women choose to go HAMA (Home Against Medical Advice), which the nurses warn will result in the termination of free prescriptions.

In summary, the Pinays have babies that they cannot afford because they want them although they tell us otherwise. Many refuse free family planning resources. The ones who make use of contraception see it as a license for having unlimited sex with unlimited partners as much as they love eating unlimited rice at Mang Inasal. Their 'emergency' hospital bills will get paid without the help of your money. The hospitals have relationships with charities that take care of that sort thing. Pinays routinely have sex with their penniless unemployed boyfriends who reckless spray sperms in their pussies with intent to impregnate. The no money, no honey rule does not apply to the Filipino fellas.

The documentary is streaming on PBS until the middle of next month. http://www.pbs.org/pov/motherland/.
To begin with, I plead ignorance as I have not seen the documentary. But I assume it is to documentary that touches on the issues with the poverty cycle and the financial and other challenges families face with raising a baby / children. (I can image all those grannies going tsk tsk).

My comment of the pot is that the US faces that issue too. They don't need to find examples from across the ocean. There is already a political storm on how to take care of underprivileged children within its borders. There is also a political storm on how to stop countries from sending their underprivileged children to the US.

BBC is also reporting on how Oxford and Cambridge are not doing enough to let underprivileged children through its gates and having the necessary support to bring those children up to standard.

I believe you are right, as he mentions it happening in his country. He did not look at the documentary as the filmmaker Ramon S. Diaz is a Filipina. She did not include any critical narrative in the film. In fact, she did not include any narrative at all. The dialogue is translated from Tagalog into English subtitles. She just rolled the cameras and captured what was taking place, which is the genius behind the documentary. Maybe he thinks it was a foreign film criticizing Filipinos and they would object to it getting out. It is not. It simply shows what is, without offering opinions on the matter. After the credits roll, Diaz explains that she just captures the people doing what they do normally.

She said, "The joy felt at Fabella is no different from the joy experienced by mothers and fathers worldwide. But because the film takes place in the Philippines, I invite audiences to witness similar situations from the starkly different perspective of a poor, densely populated, Catholic country. I hope that in viewing this film, audiences will discover the connective tissue that binds us all as members of the global community of caregivers."

Soapy Smith

10-24-17, 17:16

Firstly, they're adults. Secondly, to get through the gates they need to attain the standard first. High school and sixth form is where they learn the standards. Don't dumb down good unis; allow excellence to exist. There are other, less challenging schools for those who aren't qualified. Lastly, the news mentions lack of enrollment, but it doesn't mention how many applied, how many were accepted, and how many decided to attend a different uni because they find Oxbridge intimidating socially. Why do you think journalists amplify somethings and omit others?Exactly. Let's rename them to set the record straight. They're not underprivilieged, they're ungrateful. Life would be much more pleasant for everybody if the clamoring, ungrateful masses would simply learn their place in society, accept the less challenging universities, and figure out how to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, just like the rest of us do. They're always just looking for the next handout, and the rest of us are tired of paying for those handouts.

Bushes

10-24-17, 19:23

Chocha Monger,

As you know, most of the information on US based and raised Stanford grad Ramon S. Diaz is straight from the PBS website. She is offering an opinion.

In an interview she said:

"I spent a month explaining to them what it was I wanted, to get them on my side. You want to get to a point where they are sort of your embedded producers. They understand what you are trying to do and they give you a heads-up whenever they see something that they think you're interested in."

I was not too far off as Diaz also wrote:

"It was soon evident that the story I was looking for, a story about reproductive justice and maternal and women's rights, was unfolding within the hospital walls."

And, for those that spend some time in the Philippines and have experienced nosy eavesdroppers:

"And I knew then that it was going to be completely observational. Because I was just fascinated, first of all, with the conversations that the women had, on the beds, and the communities they formed. And when I first visited, I would just walk around the ward, and I just sat in on conversations and they never even minded me. (laughs) They wouldn't stop their conversations! They would just continue and I would sit there and listen and be like, "Sheesh. I want the cameras to be like this, and to have the audience have this experience of just sitting in, listening to all this great conversation, and no one ever kicks you out. " So that was the film in my head, and from the very beginning, I knew I wanted to make an observational documentary."

"The story that unfolds in Motherland takes place in the Philippines, but it is universal."

Yeah, it happens in the US too. Plenty of similar stories closer to her's and my home.

I believe you are right, as he mentions it happening in his country. He did not look at the documentary as the filmmaker Ramon S. Diaz is a Filipina. She did not include any critical narrative in the film. In fact, she did not include any narrative at all. The dialogue is translated from Tagalog into English subtitles. She just rolled the cameras and captured what was taking place, which is the genius behind the documentary. Maybe he thinks it was a foreign film criticizing Filipinos and they would object to it getting out. It is not. It simply shows what is, without offering opinions on the matter. After the credits roll, Diaz explains that she just captures the people doing what they do normally.

She said, "The joy felt at Fabella is no different from the joy experienced by mothers and fathers worldwide. But because the film takes place in the Philippines, I invite audiences to witness similar situations from the starkly different perspective of a poor, densely populated, Catholic country. I hope that in viewing this film, audiences will discover the connective tissue that binds us all as members of the global community of caregivers."
Chocha Monger. Read your tome to Stanford grad and US based filmmaker Ramona Diaz. Just wanted to point out some things. Note, only did Sundance offer funding but it also offered a prize.

While I was born and raised in the Philippines, I've lived my entire adult life in the United States. I'm both an insider and an outsider, which allows me to have a distinct point of view. "

Ramona Diaz, Filmmaker.

"Motherland (2017)".

Production Funding provided by.

Sundance Institute Documentary Film Program.

Bushes

10-28-17, 03:32

FWIW CallSign Papa, I lot of readers on this forum have contributed to the problem of leaving an illegitimate child as a result of their travel and play. There are evidences in PI and all over Asia. Some Pinay actually crave a mixed child and and seek and hunt for that deposit. Knock on wood, I am not one of them. I do however make a not insubstantial financial contribution to help some of those in various countries around Asia through some smaller organizations.

Arnold Schwarzenegger's illegitimate son with his housekeeper however did not increase the single parent birth rate of the Hispanic population because the maid was married and wrote down the husband's name as the father. As news reports have said, the kid looks like a young Conan the barbarian.

I guess all sexes like to play. George Bush Senior was accused of sexually assaulting a woman by grabbing her butt. Junior famously smacked the butt of one of the female Olympic beach volleyball players, at her invitation. Bill Clinton supposedly only put it in Monica's mouth and his cigar in her box. The US is so puritanical in some of its view.

I case you are interested. From the cnbcnews website, here is a clipping:

Statistics show just what that fullness means. Children of unmarried mothers of any race are more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock.

The black community's 72 percent rate eclipses that of most other groups: 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native Americans were born to unwed mothers in 2008, the most recent year for which government figures are available. The rate for the overall USA Population was 41 percent.
Think he means he's equally happy to get them pregnant, I know there have been many times I was very close to doing just that.

Wicked Roger

10-28-17, 16:50

FWIW CallSign Papa, I lot of readers on this forum have contributed to the problem of leaving an illegitimate child as a result of their travel and play. .Which readers have contributed to that Bushes? Name them as that is a very general statement.

Yes there are many single mothers, yes many are pinoy father who shag and run, some are expats of all nationalities who do the same as pinoys and others who do the right thing.

I know of both kinds. The latter group do their best to ensure a good education etc, the former group I know of as I know the unfortunate girls and have tried to advise how-to find the father after he disappears from the web and radar but cutting all his Facebook profiles, numbers etc.

I have been asked to make girls pregnant as they want a white baby as it is perceive ed as being able to earn more cash etc. They also add they want nothing from me apart from my sperm. I have never agreed to this.

So who are the board members who have contributed to this as I know of no one on the board who has openly admitted he is a 'shag and run' daddy, maybe others can help me here?

Bushes

10-28-17, 20:45

I cannot name specific readers but I suspect a fair number. It is a general theory, similar to a general theory Einstein made. Prove to me no reader left a family branch in the Philippines. Or tell me how few did leave a branch of the family tree among the palms.

The probabilities are quite high given the sport we engage in and the desire of some of the ladies for a mixed baby for whatever reasons. (I am glad to hear that you also resisted making a deposit, even though I can say I know of several ladies with mixed babies who know the father but have not and do not press them for financial assistance).

As for shagging and running, there is no better way than to grab a flight. Many of the runners might actually have no clue a girl is in the family way. You might be surprised how many girls, even pros, do not take precautions outside a thin latex. Partially because of lack of knowledge.

Social media is a recent technological advance. I suspect many readers have been active before smartphones and facebook.

As for hearing the news of a new family tree branch, the few punters I know found out through the grapevine of bar / working girls because they frequent a place often or reside in country. The ones that contribute tend to have viewed the girl as a GF as they had more than one encounter.

Please be serious. No reader will step forward as what you call a "shag and run daddy" unless they have already taken responsibility and see no further liability in confessing. This is not a confessional and there is no real or perceived upside in confessing.

Which readers have contributed to that Bushes? Name them as that is a very general statement.

Yes there are many single mothers, yes many are pinoy father who shag and run, some are expats of all nationalities who do the same as pinoys and others who do the right thing.

I know of both kinds. The latter group do their best to ensure a good education etc, the former group I know of as I know the unfortunate girls and have tried to advise how-to find the father after he disappears from the web and radar but cutting all his Facebook profiles, numbers etc.

I have been asked to make girls pregnant as they want a white baby as it is perceive ed as being able to earn more cash etc. They also add they want nothing from me apart from my sperm. I have never agreed to this.

So who are the board members who have contributed to this as I know of no one on the board who has openly admitted he is a 'shag and run' daddy, maybe others can help me here?

Wicked Roger

10-29-17, 17:44

Bushes

10-30-17, 06:13

Actually, WR, most of my posts were on this section only because some people jumped down my throat about my comment on the US funded, US based, and US Stanford grad Diaz. As this section is "Filipinas. Opinions and Advice". I am offering the former. I think her POV (as in PBS POV) is looking through mostly a US lense. It took time for me to click and collect some of the information I posted. I am most likely a 2 to 3 posts a year type.

As for punters who have been tracked down (maybe thanks to you) and know they have an offspring, I have also advised that a monthly donation will go a long way. I would point out a nice dinner out will keep the family in food for a month in PI or Indonesian or Vietnam. Again, I don't want to preach from my US perch and try to avoid that.

A prepaid PI sim is what many short terms girls get for that one night stand. By the time they find out they are in the family way, the guy is long gone and untraceable. Then, which guy was it? Paternity tests are more affordable now and within reach.

Few hotels will give out your contact / reservation information. However, I can say that is not absolute.

Don't ask me to name names. I won't because some are US persons and there are big consequences. Futhermore, many shared information with me in confidence and no second household was maintained.

Most of my information are actually from the gals I have met over the years. They are from all walks of life. Many that have mixed kids or have friends or family members with mixed kids, do not know the father. The ones I find most interesting are those who are "kept" girls and are paid a salary through a company. They actually get health care and birth control. I did not ask even those to fill out a questionnaire about their benefactor and if he is a registered on ISG.

If you wish, please publish your list.

I am serious Bushes as you have 22 FRs and make sweeping statements about everyone.

Fact. The mongers I know and meet on the board, none have fathered kids except one (who is now dead and he looked after each child as best he could). Others not member of the board who have kids (expats) all took responsibility and married the lady (at least 90%.

Now there maybe some (am sure there is) but I have never encountered them and if I did I would ask them to be mature and responsible.

But name them as you make such a bold statement or POM the names as it won't go further than the PM and is never shared.

CallSign Papa

10-31-17, 00:54

I cannot name specific readers but I suspect a fair number. It is a general theory, similar to a general theory Einstein made. Going to have to pull you up on this, a scientific theory (as per Einstein) "is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. ".

Yours is, I can only guess, an anecdotal theory based on supposition. 95% of the pinays I've tangoed with who have kids have been screwed over by immature or reckless pinoys. As with WR, the few I know how have mixed race children receive support from that father (although there obviously are one or two exceptions), whereas literally none of the pinoys provide anything in terms of support or finance.

Blanquiceleste

10-31-17, 01:29

Fact. The mongers I know and meet on the board, none have fathered kids except one (who is now dead and he looked after each child as best he could). Others not member of the board who have kids (expats) all took responsibility and married the lady (at least 90%.)I am not out to support Bushes with his claims. But the 90% statement you make here also might be from a very small non-representative sample.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27379710

A quarter million Amerasians living in penury around AC / Olongapo cannot be the result of responsible fathers.

Chocha Monger

10-31-17, 09:33

I am not out to support Bushes with his claims. But the 90% statement you make here also might be from a very small non-representative sample.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27379710

A quarter million Amerasians living in penury around AC / Olongapo cannot be the result of responsible fathers.One of the Amerasians explained why her father did not marry her mother, "They were living together for a bit, but they didn't get married because my grandmother didn't approve of the relationship. So he left." The article goes on to describe her mother saying, "Each of her children has a different father. Each one was a US serviceman."

The Filipina in question clearly played a willing part in creating or perpetuating poverty conditions for her Amerasian children. She was also in thrall of her mother who decided it was better for her to keep working as a prostitute instead of marrying the father of one of the children. It is easy to place the blame on the servicemen who left behind those children with prostitutes but the women and their families also played a role in the final outcome. The article also mentioned that the children faced discrimination from Filipino society when they sought employment as adults. Therefore, even with assistance from their fathers they would still face marginalization and poverty in adulthood.

The article was written to protest the return of USA Bases and servicemen to the Philippines using Amerasian children as evidence that the USA Bases cause unwanted effects on the local population. However, Amerasian children are not even a drop in the bucket of bastards born in the Philippines. Prostitution in the Philippines exists overwhelmingly to serve Filipinos and not tourists as some would like to believe. If all foreign men stopped going to the Philippines, the majority of the prostitutes would not even notice their absence. Filipinas and their children would continue living in abject poverty. There would still be discrimination in the local employment market. All of the ills mentioned in the article will remain except there would no longer be foreign faces to scapegoat.

According to a Philippine government report on live births for 2015:

"More than half (909,783 or 52.1%) of the total registered live births in 2015 were born out of wedlock. The three regions that recorded the highest number of illegitimate children born in 2015 were Region IVA (146,382), NCR (146,100) and Region III (97,834).

"The proportion of illegitimate babies born in 2015 in NCR (63.0% Region IVA (56.2% Region V (52.5% Region VII (54.9% Region VIII (64.2% Region XI (55.9%) and Caraga (52.0%) were more than half of its total births.

"On the contrary, 70.7 percent of the total births in foreign countries are legitimate children. ".

Therefore, the percent of illegitimate births in foreign countries is 29.3% compared to 52.1% in the Philippines.

Some time ago, I wrote about a verbal exchange between an old British monger and a Pinay freelancer at LAC. The Brit yelled at the Pinay to stop selling her ass and to go home and take care of his daughter. The Pinay yelled back that she was selling her ass because he was not giving her enough money to support his daughter. The old Brit was giving her 150 GBP or approx. 10,226 PHP per month for one child. That was not enough to stop the mother from going out shopping for more sperms. There is no such thing as enough money for those women. At least one monger who tried to support his kids in the Philippines died a pauper. I am sure many other foreigners perished under similar circumstances.

Shining Wit

10-31-17, 10:03

Wicked Roger

10-31-17, 11:38

Blanquiceleste

11-01-17, 00:52

All of the ills mentioned in the article will remain except there would no longer be foreign faces to scapegoat.

"The proportion of illegitimate babies born in 2015 in NCR (63.0% Region IVA (56.2% Region V (52.5% Region VII (54.9% Region VIII (64.2% Region XI (55.9%) and Caraga (52.0%) were more than half of its total births.

"On the contrary, 70.7 percent of the total births in foreign countries are legitimate children. ".

Therefore, the percent of illegitimate births in foreign countries is 29.3% compared to 52.1% in the Philippines.There is no such thing as enough money for those women. At least one monger who tried to support his kids in the Philippines died a pauper. I am sure many other foreigners perished under similar circumstances.

And how many of those are the result of irresponsible Filipino fathers?

It also seems a hell of a lot when Wikipedia quotes 2015 census population figures of 411,634 (Angeles City) and 233040 (Olongapo City).All very valid points. And I think there a lot religion and literacy has to answer for in these matters.

In the foreign countries, I take it that women are educated and society is pro-choice, hence birth control (preventive and late stage) plays a key role in ensuring these numbers stay where they are.

In the PH where contraception itself is frowned upon by the church and abortion is not legalized, the figures quoted are not surprising.

And the responsibility of childcare cannot be absolved by simply pointing out the Filipino fathers are not doing it. Hell, they could not do it even if they freakin' wanted to. I have nothing personal against anyone here, each person makes a choice about how they want to lead their lives. No judgement. But at the end of the day, the fact is that each bastard child that is uncared for is the result of an irresponsible father.

Blanquiceleste

11-01-17, 00:55

I would agree with you. My sample is small and maybe I hang around in more 'responsible and mature' circles LOL.

I was pointing out the comment was saying ISG members and that is wrong from my sample size but as for the rest of Asia. The BBC says it and why would I disagree, just don't say it is most of us (IE ISG members) when no proof is offered.Fully agree. And all we can really do is to try and impact the immediate environment around us. That is how change comes about. Peace!

Bushes

11-01-17, 06:22

Be careful of news reports as sometimes statistics can be used in a misleading way. As for the US 41% birth to unwed mothers, I would consider it out of wedlock, in general. But the devil is in the details. I think the Philippines government might not consider the US a foreign country, and thus not at 29%.

WestCoast1,

I case you are interested. From the cnbcnews website, here is a clipping:

Statistics show just what that fullness means. Children of unmarried mothers of any race are more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock.

The black community's 72 percent rate eclipses that of most other groups: 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native Americans were born to unwed mothers in 2008, the most recent year for which government figures are available. The rate for the overall USA Population was 41 percent.
According to a Philippine government report on live births for 2015:

"More than half (909,783 or 52.1%) of the total registered live births in 2015 were born out of wedlock. "
"On the contrary, 70.7 percent of the total births in foreign countries are legitimate children. ".

Therefore, the percent of illegitimate births in foreign countries is 29.3% compared to 52.1% in the Philippines.

Streetlooker

11-01-17, 07:07

And how many of those are the result of irresponsible Filipino fathers?

It also seems a hell of a lot when Wikipedia quotes 2015 census population figures of 411,634 (Angeles City) and 233040 (Olongapo City).Almost all the girls I ever talk to that have children and are now working the bars selling their pussy have told me the father of their child ran away and left her stuck. This has been going on for has long has I have been going to the Philippines which is over 31 yrs now. So the bargirls of today mostly grew up without a responsible father also and the cycle continues over and over without a end. Its by far the number one reason why the Philippines is so fucked up and 3rd world. FILIPINO males total lack of responsibility for anything.

Bushes

11-02-17, 16:12

FILIPINO males total lack of responsibility for anything.I think economics also play a part. If a shrew is creating a typhoon over cost of raising a kids and the Pinoy cannot find steady income, most guys would and do head for the hills.

There is the flip side of pregnancy as entrapment. But that is another wrinkle.

CallSign Papa

11-03-17, 02:04

Streetlooker

11-04-17, 06:31

Soapy Smith

11-04-17, 18:34

Total and utter nonsense, it stems from the average filipino male's inability to accept responsibility for their own actions. You bring a kid into this world, costs be damned, you do your damn duty and be a father.

Is it also everyone else's fault for the guy not rubbering up?Please be careful describing the "average" Fillipino. One reason there are so many births to unmarried Filipinas is that, among poor Filipinos many marriages are common law. No marriage license. If you follow closely in the Motherland video you will see women report during intake that they are unmarried, but at discharge an asawa ("husband") comes to transport mother and baby home.

If you spend time in the slums, as I have, you observe that most households have a male figure in place, although the woman is likely the one who holds the family together. Do many Filipino men desert their partners and kids? Yes, and many Filipinos who do social advoacy work talk about this. But this does not make them typical of all Filipinos. Considering the women that we Westerners end up copulating with, the "average" case may well be a woman who has been deserted, but this doesn't make them average for all Filipinas. The point is, the Filipinas we are likely to encounter are not typical of all Filipinas. As compared to other Filipinas, they are more likely to have been deserted, and this is exactly why they sell their bodies to provide for themselves and their kids. It's important not to project generalizations from the women we encounter.

In one sense it's unfortunate that Filipinos generally condemn pokpoks--and some in this forum are quite condescending toward them as well--because, in another sense, many of them are trying to fulfill their obligations as mothers to provide for their kids.

As for not "rubbering up," I won't defend it, but I do think the dynamics are different than in Western countries. In the states I can buy them in near total anonymity at Walmart, Costco, or CVS, but I remember when I was younger having to ask for them from a drug store employee, often a woman, because they were always behind the counter. In many places in the Philippines this is still how they are purchased--from behind the counter at 7-11 or a neighborhood generics drug store.

There's also a very different cultural aspect to the situation. First, there's the role of the Church, which is often felt more strongly among poor people than among the well-educated and well off. (Check out the humorous recent post from WC about his conversation with a priest about "family planning. ") So well-educated Catholics simply make their own decisions, and they have smaller famlies as a result. Education is also related to awareness about protection against STIs. And, there is probably also some rooster machismo element in the culture that leads the guy to think of the condom as curtailing his ability to prove his manhood.

For us Westerners rubbering is often a simple mental deliberation about risking pregancy and disease versus diminishing the sensation. I suspect "average" Filipinos don't experience it as a simple act of personal responsibility.

Blanquiceleste

11-04-17, 18:49

Please be careful describing the "average" Fillipino. One reason there are so many births to unmarried Filipinas is that, among poor Filipinos many marriages are common law. No marriage license. If you follow closely in the Motherland video you will see women report during intake that they are unmarried, but at discharge an asawa ("husband") comes to transport mother and baby home.

If you spend time in the slums, as I have, you observe that most households have a male figure in place, although the woman is likely the one who holds the family together. Do many Filipino men desert their partners and kids? Yes, and many Filipinos who do social advoacy work talk about this. But this does not make them typical of all Filipinos. Considering the women that we Westerners end up copulating with, the "average" case may well be a woman who has been deserted, but this doesn't make them average for all Filipinas. The point is, the Filipinas we are likely to encounter are not typical of all Filipinas. As compared to other Filipinas, they are more likely to have been deserted, and this is exactly why they sell their bodies to provide for themselves and their kids. It's important not to project generalizations from the women we encounter.

In one sense it's unfortunate that Filipinos generally condemn pokpoks--and some in this forum are quite condescending toward them as well--because, in another sense, many of them are trying to fulfill their obligations as mothers to provide for their kids..Excellent balanced view. Could not have it better myself.

Soapy Smith

11-04-17, 19:01

I think economics also play a part. If a shrew is creating a typhoon over cost of raising a kids and the Pinoy cannot find steady income, most guys would and do head for the hills. There is the flip side of pregnancy as entrapment. But that is another wrinkle.I think this is a reasonable question, not "total and utter nonsense. " From a normative standpoint--should the guy leave when she creates a typhoon--most of us probably agree he should stay and face responsibility. But as a descriptive or empirical question--is he likely to leave during the typhoon--the odds are higher. In fact, CSP's reply--that the "average" Filipino deserts the woman--suggests he agrees with the empirical assertion. My own suspicion is that typhoons are regular occurrences in poor Filipino "marriages" with lots of kids, and that fathers sometimes leave and sleep at a nearby relative's house--and return later. Heading for the hills doesn't always mean staying in the hills.

Golfinho

11-04-17, 20:22

If you spend time in the slums, And, there is probably also some rooster machismo element in the culture that leads the guy to think of the condom as curtailing his ability to prove his manhood. For us Westerners rubbering is often a simple.Spend some time observing US ghetto mentality to note roostering element: its a residual element of their slave culture. For the old fossils, there's no mental calculation involved if they can't physically can't get a rubber on themselves. As for Filipinos: they skedaddle because they can't financially support their children, pure and simple.

Bushes

11-04-17, 20:33

Is it also everyone else's fault for the guy not rubbering up?Condoms are not cheap, especially if one has no income. Not all countries have places where one can get one at a lower price or for free. In some places in Asia, condoms can run over USD4 for 3. One piece can cost more than a poor person earns in a day when a poor person can find work.

I believe there are places still in the US where one can get free condoms if one has funds to travel to a distribution center.

Even if one can afford one, I have seen reports on this forum where one is not used.

Anyway, back to sleep. My SYT is waiting.

Mr Enternational

11-05-17, 00:52

Spend some time observing US ghetto mentality to note roostering element: its a residual element of their slave culture.That is actually a misnomer. The ghetto mentality in the US is a result of the Civil Rights Act and the rise of feminism. After slavery and before the CRA, Blacks in America did not have half the problems that they have now. Families stuck together and businesses flourished. There were not a bunch of single moms running around in the late 1800s and early and mid 1900s. These days in the USA, if a woman can not take care of her kids she is given free shit. If a man can't take care of his kids, he is thrown in jail.

Mr Enternational

11-05-17, 00:57

Condoms are not cheap, especially if one has no income.So you think that children are cheaper than condoms? During my lifetime I have spent less on condoms than I did on 2 months of child support.

Bushes

11-05-17, 01:00

So you think that children are cheaper than condoms? During my lifetime I have spent less on condoms than I did on 2 months of child support.If a person cannot afford a condom, how would he / she be able to afford children? Remember the let them eat cake?

Bushes

11-05-17, 01:02

One of the problems with the US is the fixation on hero worship and wanting to be the world police, whatever the issue is. So, Hi Yo Silver. Away!

Or should it be, Sancho, look at those evil giants?

According to YaleGlobal website, under the title Out-of-Wedlock Births Rise Worldwide.

"At one extreme are some 25 countries, including China, India and most countries in North Africa and Western and Southern Asia, where the proportion of births out of wedlock is low, typically less than 1 percent. In those societies births outside of marriage carry strong social disapproval, including sanctions, penalties and punishments to the mother and father as well as stigmatization of the child. Some travel guides advise couples to pretend to be married. In striking contrast, the proportions of births outside marriage in another 25 countries mostly in Latin America, including Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, Jamaica, Mexico and Colombia, are estimated at more than 60 percent. In another 20 countries, including Belgium, Denmark, France, Norway and Sweden, the majority of births occur outside marriage, with government assistance typically provided to single mothers. ".

Of the 42 countries on the bar chart, only 12 are under 30%. 30 countries are over 30%, including Australia and New Zealand. Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Singapore, Myanmar, India, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Bangladesh are not on the bar chart. South Korea and Japan are about 2%.

I suspect Cocha Monger, the Philippine government report was looking at Asean countries mostly and some other select western countries to get their 29%. Or Australia and New Zealand pulled the numbers the other way.

It just looks like a lot of people are just squeezing one into a Pinay pussy or some other pussy, and leaving. The high UK, US, and France numbers are in line with what I have observed.

According to a Philippine government report on live births for 2015:

"More than half (909,783 or 52.1%) of the total registered live births in 2015 were born out of wedlock. The three regions that recorded the highest number of illegitimate children born in 2015 were Region IVA (146,382), NCR (146,100) and Region III (97,834).

"On the contrary, 70.7 percent of the total births in foreign countries are legitimate children. ".

Therefore, the percent of illegitimate births in foreign countries is 29.3% compared to 52.1% in the Philippines.
WestCoast1,

I case you are interested. From the cnbcnews website, here is a clipping:

Statistics show just what that fullness means. Children of unmarried mothers of any race are more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock.

The black community's 72 percent rate eclipses that of most other groups: 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native Americans were born to unwed mothers in 2008, the most recent year for which government figures are available. The rate for the overall USA Population was 41 percent.

GoodEnough

11-05-17, 04:17

So you think that children are cheaper than condoms? During my lifetime I have spent less on condoms than I did on 2 months of child support.I think this discussion largely misses a few major points. First, there's virtually no reproductive health, sex education or family planning information in the Philippines, since the Catholic Church frowns on it. Second, there's little stigma involved on out of wedlock births, and more than half of the babies born in this country are born out of wedlock. Third, child rearing is often viewed as a family and sometimes an extended family obligation in this country, and new mothers are not typically just left to fend for themselves. Finally, the situations described herein usually occur (and recur) within very poor, uneducated families, and the logic of the West, or even the logic of more educated, more affluent Filipinos simply doesn't apply. For those with access to the US PBS site, you should watch the "Motherland" documentary, in which nurses fruitlessly encourage poor women to avail themselves of free IUDs or tubal ligations; pleas that usually fall on deaf ears.

Golfinho

11-05-17, 14:15

After slavery and before the CRA, Blacks in America did not have half the problems that they have now. Families stuck together and businesses flourished. There were not a bunch of single moms running around in the late 1800s and early and mid 1900s..Ah, yes, those fairy tales you heard from your Uncle Remus.

WestCoast1

11-05-17, 18:22

Second, there's little stigma involved on out of wedlock births, and more than half of the babies born in this country are born out of wedlock. Similar thing has been occurring in my country over the last 20 years. The word 'bastard' has somehow become associated with 'asshole' or other dirty term not related to out-of-wedlock births. Many of my pinay regulars have no concept of bastardized, in fact they are wanting to get pregnant from their BF or any white man, regardless of marital status (she is unmarried with a local BF and does not care, she is unmarried with no BF and does not care, or she is married to her husband while sleeping with white men and does not care). "Does not care" might be an understatement, she wants to get pregnant (others are the opposite). When I talk to these girls, its clear they have never heard of the out-of-wedlock-bad idea. "So?" The ignorance seems to somewhat de-legitimize sex-within-marriage-only.

From dictionary dot com:

1.

A person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.

2.

Slang.

A vicious, despicable, or thoroughly disliked person.

Soapy Smith

11-05-17, 18:46

I think this discussion largely misses a few major points. First, there's virtually no reproductive health, sex education or family planning information in the Philippines, since the Catholic Church frowns on it.I think the qualifier, "virtually," is important. There are a few groups--NGO types and probably some government workers--who work in poor communities to promote family planning. But, because of the institutional (read Church) resistance and deep-seated cultural beliefs, which you describe in points two through four, it probably feels to these workers like shoveling sand against the sea. The cultural beliefs are so deep-seated in poor communities that they are rarely discussed openly, even among women.

I know of one family in which all of the women (mother and four daughters) had tubal ligations after three or four children. The mother's occurred about 25 years ago, the daughters' from 10 to 15 years ago. So these services have been around for a while, but were carefully guarded "secrets. " In each case the women didn't even tell family members, and especially not husbands, that they were doing it. The daughters found out about each other's ligations, and their mother's, well after the fact. They had heard about available services in a neighboring Metro Manila city, and each then ventured on her own to get the surgery.

These were individual decisions and very lonely experiences. One of the women went with a nurse friend who knew the location but then left to go to work. The woman sat in the clinic most of the day, finally had the surgery about six pm, had less than two hours recovery time at the clinic, and then went on her own, still bleeding and in pain, for a 30 minute bumpy jeepney ride home. She was in pain for several days but didn't dare tell anybody what she'd done. Her common law asawa was furious when he found out a few months later, but the "marriage" had already largely disintegrated because of his infidelity. It's interesting that he still felt entitled to some control over his wife's reproductive organs even after he began dropping his own seed into another woman's organs.

I'm suggesting that women may well know of the services but don't dare discuss the question openly. The expression from one woman in the video--"my mother told me not to do it"--probably typifies the dynamic by which the cultural beliefs are transmitted among women.

For those with access to the US PBS site, you should watch the "Motherland" documentary, in which nurses fruitlessly encourage poor women to avail themselves of free IUDs or tubal ligations; pleas that usually fall on deaf ears.How would we know if they "usually" fall on deaf ears? Is it possible there are some "takers," but they didn't serve the film-maker's purposes, and so she edited them out?

Soapy Smith

11-05-17, 19:17

Similar thing has been occurring in my country over the last 20 years. The word 'bastard' has somehow become associated with 'asshole' or other dirty term not related to out-of-wedlock births. Many of my pinay regulars have no concept of bastardized, in fact they are wanting to get pregnant from their BF or any white man, regardless of marital status (she is unmarried with a local BF and does not care, she is unmarried with no BF and does not care, or she is married to her husband while sleeping with white men and does not care). "Does not care" might be an understatement, she wants to get pregnant (others are the opposite). When I talk to these girls, its clear they have never heard of the out-of-wedlock-bad idea. "So?" The ignorance seems to somewhat de-legitimize sex-within-marriage-only.I think we assume that birth out of wedlock is the anomaly. But what if monogamous marriage is the anomaly? Among others who advance this argument, the book **Sex Before Dawn** offers a cogent argument that we are inherently polygamous, and that monogamy is like forcing a crucible onto humans' sexuality. They contend that early hunting and gathering groups were not monogamous, although couples often stayed together throughout life for purposes of an efficient division of labor. It's possible that they weren't entirely knowledgable about the underlying principles of conception. The authors say that evidence suggests that mating with other sex partners was regarded as acceptable, as good community relations, and that, in any case, the children were seen as the responsibility of the clan as a whole. Part of their argument draws from a few contemporary cultures that are still largely communal hunters and gathers and practice polygamy within the clan or village.

We know that many other species, previously presumed to "mate for life," are actually quite promiscuous. Many bird species, for example, make nests with the same mate year after year, but while the male is out gathering twigs for the nest, the female is often out getting it on with other males. Biologists presume this is a mechanism for creating a stronger species through cross-fertilization in the gene pool. Bonobo chimps, our closest primate relatives, are conspicuously polygamous, and scientists think the females actually prevent intra-group aggression through their willlingness to mate openly and frequently with a number of different males. Why should we assume that human biology is any different?

The argument goes that monogamy arose with sedentary agriculture and principles of private land ownership. When land owners needed to be confident about the heredity of their offspring in terms of handing down property rights, they needed an institutional arrangement that allowed them to claim their legitimate children. Thus monogamy is a human construction, not inate nature.

There are some contemporary groups, even some led by women, who espouse, not just polygamy, but polyamory. See, for example:

http://dodsonandross.com/

It seems clear that this forum exists for and is comprised of men who do not adhere to monogamous partnerships, so why should we be surprised when women don't want to adhere to them?

Chocha Monger

11-06-17, 00:03

I think economics also play a part. If a shrew is creating a typhoon over cost of raising a kids and the Pinoy cannot find steady income, most guys would and do head for the hills.

There is the flip side of pregnancy as entrapment. But that is another wrinkle.I concede the point that Bushes makes about Pinays becoming "shrews" and creating "typhoons" when money becomes scarce causing the men to flee into the mountains or distant barangays. Many Filipino men are henpecked, especially those who reside with their in-laws. The women may seem mild-mannered and shy at first. However, after a few weeks of sexing, their pragmatism and appetite for conspicuous consumption emerges. "Buy me!" becomes a routine demand. "My baby father so bad" usually signals the beginning of a condemnation of fathers failing to meet financial requests that seem to metastasize like an extremely aggressive cancer.

Pinays do not reveal their dark side until after their man knocks them up or, even better, after she obtains a "legal marriage. " The latter is the fastest way to rouse the raging banshee lurking hidden in the shadows inside. I saw the wrath of a Pinay rained down on her Pinoy after he had the temerity to go drinking without her permission. This girl is no taller than 4 ft 11 in and everyone described her as shy. Yet, she did not hesitate to initiate one of the wildest traffic-stopping chicken fights in the recent history of the town. After the rumble, the guy went into hiding for a week. She searched high and low for him, and asked to borrow money to travel to his hometown to look for him there. I declined her request on the grounds that it was a generally bad idea for numerous reasons.

In case anyone is wondering, I never rooted her. She is not a pretty face but she has a nicely shaped petite body. I know the couple from hiring them to do chores for me occasionally. They have been together for 5 years and trying in vain to make babies. Apparently, one of them is sterile as they expressed frustration at fucking up to 12 times a day and still no baby. I did not offer a sperm donation but I am sure many mongers are willing to make a deposit to determine if the girl is fertile.

WestCoast1

11-06-17, 04:15

It seems clear that this forum exists for and is comprised of men who do not adhere to monogamous partnerships, so why should we be surprised when women don't want to adhere to them?I think many board regulars are not surprised. I offered the information for newbs, who often experience culture shock.

Someone explain why the country is devoutly catholic, and so heavily pro-sex-outside-marriage?

BobLou

11-06-17, 04:18

I believe anywhere in the world the most common reason is poverty.

I think many board regulars are not surprised. I offered the information for newbs, who often experience culture shock.

Someone explain why the country is devoutly catholic, and so heavily pro-sex-outside-marriage?

Bushes

11-07-17, 02:39

Soapy, you should look at the SBS documentary called "Who is Your Daddy" whereby 30% has been thrown around as to UK Dads who might be raising someone else's offspring.

We know that many other species, previously presumed to "mate for life," are actually quite promiscuous. Many bird species, for example, make nests with the same mate year after year, but while the male is out gathering twigs for the nest, the female is often out getting it on with other males.
There's also a very different cultural aspect to the situation. First, there's the role of the Church, which is often felt more strongly among poor people than among the well-educated and well off. (Check out the humorous recent post from WC about his conversation with a priest about "family planning. ") So well-educated Catholics simply make their own decisions, and they have smaller famlies as a result. Education is also related to awareness about protection against STIs. And, there is probably also some rooster machismo element in the culture that leads the guy to think of the condom as curtailing his ability to prove his manhood..You will note that Diaz only has one child. Furthermore, if one can afford an education, one would most likely be able to afford and know about contraception. I know in US college, the girls knew a lot about contraception because the uni health service counsels them and gives them access to discounted / subsidized products. After uni, I got sticker shock when I had to pay for those things at retail prices.

Also, from a news clipping:

"Of the world's 140 million births that happened in 2016, about 15 percent. Or 21 million – were born out of wedlock. This global average, however, does not reflect the enormous variation in the proportion of births outside of marriage across countries and regions."

The good thing about scientific theory is that it once proven wrong, it falls or needs to be modified. Einstein spent most of his life trying to support and prove his theories.

Going to have to pull you up on this, a scientific theory (as per Einstein) "is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. ".

Yours is, I can only guess, an anecdotal theory based on supposition. 95% of the pinays I've tangoed with who have kids have been screwed over by immature or reckless pinoys. As with WR, the few I know how have mixed race children receive support from that father (although there obviously are one or two exceptions), whereas literally none of the pinoys provide anything in terms of support or finance.

Bushes

11-13-17, 03:12

In case anyone is wondering, I never rooted her. She is not a pretty face but she has a nicely shaped petite body. I know the couple from hiring them to do chores for me occasionally. They have been together for 5 years and trying in vain to make babies. Apparently, one of them is sterile as they expressed frustration at fucking up to 12 times a day and still no baby. I did not offer a sperm donation but I am sure many mongers are willing to make a deposit to determine if the girl is fertile.Wise move if you are using them to provide non horizontal services. FWIW, many factors to get pregnant and does not necessarily mean either in infertile.

D Cups

11-15-17, 16:35

Hi guys,

I don't have time to cut and paste into their respective threads but do want to minimally report my chronological findings for any interested readers. Asiadrain and Exman please keep your comments to yourselves as I find them completely useless. This 30-day trip was my fourteenth since 2007. First night in Makati at Clipper Hotel was fine. Arrived early am to succumb to to early morning "massage" providers and a double BBBJ: a nice welcome. In many of the Burgos clubs the girls still play with your boner for minimal pesos. Found a sexy one, bar unrecalled, who came after work at 1 AM to take care of business. Day 2 transferred to Rothman Hotel in Malate to pick up a guitar I left there from last year's trip and promptly hit GPoint and LA Cafe which yielded a sexy little minx who was a great lover for 3 K although a runner. The next day yielded a 88 pound spinner with ample boobabe named Dorie. I'd see her again. Day 4 down to Cebu City / Diplomat Hotel to reunite with an old flame with nice large tits dripping with mama milk (it wasn't me). She begged me to drink at least a pint or two from each side and was horny as hell. She's one of my regulars that I've seen at least five times over the years. We sight saw up to the Hilltop Flower Garden in North Cebu which is a good scenic ride for something different between fuck sessions. I stayed at Diplomat to watch a football game across the street at Time Out but subsequently discovered it was temporarily closed for tax evasion but there is another sports bar near Mango called Fifth quarter or something like that. Day 6 off to Dalaguete / Ocean Bay Resort with another long-term beau with enormous 38 D tits for two days of banging that hot 22 year old slightly chubby body. We had another, older chubby from Carcar join us for a 3-some. I was hoping the young one would learn how to give a blowjob from the older (35 ish) one but she was too dumb or unmotivated to increase her skill base. Sent then both home after two days while I continued solo southward via bus and ferry to Dumaguete for a day without sex and plenty of rain. In between rainfalls in Dumaguete I hit the Why Not Bar and danced with a nice one who even gave me food and drink to my surprsie but sadly did not go home with me. During the day I checked out rental homes in the Sibulan area as well as around Valencia (rented a motorbike). There is a new housing development area called Alta Tierra near there that I checked out but it is for land buyers only and as everyone knows you have to marry a flip to buy land in the PI (well there are incorporated albeit highly bureaucratic exceptions). Nice panoramic views from there, though and they do have a five-unit hotel with nice restaurant and pool on site which I did not use. The road up to Forest Camp was temporarily washed out with all the flooding so unless you had a jeep forget it. Saw the tallest, bustiest and quite beautiful Pinay ever shopping at the Dumaguete Robinson Mall but lacked the confidence to approach her. Might have been a ladyboy, though. Teamed up with another American the next 10 days or so and went back to Cebu then up to Angeles and over to Subic. We took turns landing mall trollops at Ayala in Cebu City and I also had a cupid chick and long-time sexy regular who paid me visits at Mandarin in between work responsibilities. Paid 4 K for a short time (ouch) from Mango Square (bar unrecalled) but she was beautiful and a good provider. Also hung out at the the Australian pub (name unrecalled) on the corner there in Mango Square area for some good live music. Some sexy waitresses there but not available until after work at 2 am and by then they are too drunk to fuck properly. Up to Angeles on Day 18 at my old stomping grounds Orchid Inn Resort and piked up a 36 D from the 24 HR bar on Walking Street. Definitely not a looker neck up but oh so nice tits. Reunited with 85 pound spinner with 10 pounds of tits who I had in my phone from last time. She told me she had a kid since I last saw her a year ago (wasn't me) but she was still tight as a vise grip and no sag in her ample bosom on such a small frame. She was #4 in the bikini contest at Wild Orchid last year. Got greedy though: wanted 4 K for short time (what the fuck?) and no pics (disheartening as I like to do pornographic POVs). I only gave her 3 K which she bitched about. Oh well. Supply and demand. Did another babe at Blackbeards across from Wild Orchid who was more amenable and cheaper, however. I like this little bar off main street because they will play any music you want. In Subic stayed at Treasure Island but the Floating Bar and Wh*house (operated by Kokomos) was not yet operational to my dismay. Nevertheless had some nice finds along the strip there and took one of my regulars to go swimming with the dolfins at Ocean Park an hour away. It was fun although slightly expensive (3700 p) to swim with the intelligent creatures. Returned to Manila to stay at H2 O Hotel for my conference. Watched a Monday night football game Tuesday at noon at LA Cafe while two lasses massaged me so I took them booth to my room for yet another fulfilling 3-some for 1500 K each. My final night (Day 30) a taxi driver convinced me to go to two different casas and EDSA all of which were disappointing. The biotches wanted between 5 and 10 K and none of them were that spectacular so I declined and went back to the old standby, LA Cafe, to reunite with an oldie but goodie who blew me nonstop down to the root balls for at least 30 minutes before pounding that pretty and still tight pussy. A fitting conclusion to my trip. Cheers, mates.

CallSign Papa

11-22-17, 01:01

Nice report the, you sure were a busy boy, you've seen more of Phil in 10 days than I have in 4 years.

I hit the Why Not Bar and danced with a nice one who even gave me food and drink to my surprise but sadly did not go home with me. I think you'll find they're called "barmaids" .

Mr Enternational

11-22-17, 01:55

Up to Angeles on Day 18 at my old stomping grounds Orchid Inn Resort and piked up a 36 D from the 24 HR bar on Walking Street.Did you see the chick in Phillies that you were talking about before?

D Cups

11-22-17, 15:16

Yes, and two other cutie busties that work there, ME, but alas no sexual rendezvous with any of them. Oh well. There are so many other choices in AC as we all know.

Did you see the chick in Phillies that you were talking about before?

D Cups

11-22-17, 15:40

Thanks, CSP. It was 30 days. I usually stay 20 - 30 days in PI / SEA (buiness-related) and 10 - 12 days when I go the Dominican Republic 2 or 3 times a year (monkey business only). I am starting to prefer Dominicanas over Filipinas although both have a tendency to push the limits of my generosity. By this I mean Western Union requests from regulars in between visits as well as new founds. Filipinas seem to getting more greedy. Perhaps spoiled by the Koreans or other foolish peso millionaires. Still, I love that there are gorgeous (or at least doable) slim and busty 20-somethings in this world willing to spend an hour or several days tending to the schwantztooka of this 62 year body. Motivates me to stay in shape as I have dropped 35 pounds this last summer. Cheers.

Nice report the, you sure were a busy boy, you've seen more of Phil in 10 days than I have in 4 years.

I think you'll find they're called "barmaids" .

DelBosque

11-22-17, 21:09

Back from Manila.

I stayed in Ermita, because in the daytime I also want to feel the real atmosphre of a city.

And Makati is a modern area and for me not the real Manila.

I left Manila without hungry, you can easy find (hot) food day and night.

LA Caf is not really my cup of th, it feels like a market without a soul.

Too much people / lady's, the music to heavy for me (I have more than 60 why!) . And than.

Hello sir, what's your name, where are you. Non stop, non stop.

No possible to drink a quiet beer and look around without a lady who smile to you and make.

A sign to come to your table.

I prefer G-Point, more space / air, relax atmosphre and a funny live band, some of the girls are maybe.

Older and there clothes less fancy, the heels off there shoes less high, but I was never disappointed.

About their service.

I also had a good experience with some girls outside the mall, at about 6/7 pm, who propose you.

Massage at your hotel, they give you a small paper with the rates en Phone and, 300 p /1 h body massage.

1000 p extra for full service. I had a good time with 2 of them. Same experience in Angeles City.

In the daytime, walk in and around Robinson Mall, put your best smile on your face and you go'and.

A be surprised how many girls (young and older) smile you back. If you like them, turn your head and.

If you see they do the same. Have a talk with them, you have a big chance to.

A good place to sit in the mall is the side entance (left side) where you have directly the Burger King.

You can sit very close to the entrance and see every one who come in, . And they can see you.

But, do'nt forget to put your best smile.

ENJOY.

Sxxxx

11-22-17, 23:09

Good report, full of commonsense. You seem to have the right approach to enjoy the Philippines.

Member #4558

11-23-17, 10:30

Thanks, CSP. It was 30 days. I usually stay 20 - 30 days in PI / SEA (buiness-related) and 10 - 12 days when I go the Dominican Republic 2 or 3 times a year (monkey business only). I am starting to prefer Dominicanas over Filipinas although both have a tendency to push the limits of my generosity. By this I mean Western Union requests from regulars in between visits as well as new founds. Filipinas seem to getting more greedy. Perhaps spoiled by the Koreans or other foolish peso millionaires. Still, I love that there are gorgeous (or at least doable) slim and busty 20-somethings in this world willing to spend an hour or several days tending to the schwantztooka of this 62 year body. Motivates me to stay in shape as I have dropped 35 pounds this last summer. Cheers.Dunna where you are cummin from but at 62 you should retire and enjoy global pukie as much as you can. I've set my limit at 50 so I have 7 yrs left. Then I sell all my biz, keep a few houses / cabins around and enjoy the rest of my days with GF, child and sports events with the guys (the cheating).

Soapy Smith

11-27-17, 10:49

LA Caf is not really my cup of th, it feels like a market without a soul. Too much people / lady's, the music to heavy for me (I have more than 60 why!) . And than.

Hello sir, what's your name, where are you. Non stop, non stop. No possible to drink a quiet beer and look around without a lady who smile to you and make. A sign to come to your table.Your reaction is understandable; some patience and directness is required to fend off unwanted advances. But I think recent rumors of LAC's demise are greatly exaggerated. I visited a couple weeks ago for the first time in many months. I made two slow rounds of the first floor, got many smiles and a few of the "Hello, sir"s. But there were also a few passable options, which I turned down because I was looking for somebody in particular. I went upstairs to a much calmer setting. No Koreans in sight, only Filipino and Western men, and not the person I was looking for. No onrush of ugly freelancers; perhaps they quickly noted I was uglier than they were. Eventually one SYT, 25 accordiing to her accounting, but looked more like 20, asked if she could sit with me. We discussed our options while each of us nursed a single beverage. She kept insisting she could make me very happy, and when I didn't offer a reply she slowly leaned in and gave me a very soft kiss on the lips. It was a great kiss, and I was a goner.

In the bar she looked good, maybe an eight or nine. Unwrapped in my room she looked even better. No kids, no stretch marks, tight body, soft touch, more soft kisses, and above average GFE.

You really have to be patient at LAC. Some posters insist that the proportion of uglies to lookers is worse than in the past. Maybe, but as I think back eleven years to my first visit to LAC, I recall well the many uglies that had to be fended off. So maybe some of the better ones have figured out the internet "dating" game, but I still think with a little patience there are still good options available at LAC. And cheaper than elsewhere.

Montanaland

12-14-17, 13:03

Wicked Roger

12-14-17, 20:31

We were together for 2 days. But she insists on waiting for me and she communicates with me multiple times a day. She is 28 and still lives with mom / dad, 3 siblings. Is she trying to set the hook in getting to the USA or is she really in love? What do I do?Yes (hook USA), No (love).

Two days WTF grow up and try other pinays and guess what? Many will sound like the one you are writing about.

Drop for least 6 months make sure she can see or post love poems etc on your Facebook etc and go hunting and see if I am wrong.

Soapy Smith

12-14-17, 22:05

She is middle-class since her and her family own a parts store in the city, but throughout our months of communication she keeps placing herself here (USA) and in our house. Etc. Etc. She even posts love poems / sayings constantly on her facebook. We were together for 2 days. But she insists on waiting for me and she communicates with me multiple times a day. She is 28 and still lives with mom / dad, 3 siblings. Is she trying to set the hook in getting to the USA or is she really in love? What do I do?You take it slowly. Within minutes of my post CM or another of our serial cynics will absolutely guarantee that she's an opportunist. It's true that many are, but not all. So don't be swayed by opinions that are stated in absolutes. There is no such thing as a universal model of Filipina motivations.

Also, it's neither unusual nor necessarily a bad sign that she wants to get to the states. Many, perhaps most Filipinos, want to go to the states. Poor and less well-educated Filipinas often entertain a fantasy of being swept up by an American prince and living out a life of great wealth, since obviously all Americans live wealthy lives. But even well-educated Filipinos consider it a mark of "success" to have obtained professional employment in the states. When they return to the Philippines to visit family they are treated like small time heroes--but also are expected to share their wealth as pasalubong to be distributed to all extended family members.

You frame the dilemma as a dichotomous question: she loves me, or she is an opportunist. I recommend that you try to expand your thinking to other considerations. For example, ask her about her dreams and personal goals. Does she aspire to getting education that would permit her to provide for herself and you -- if something happened to your health or to the competitiveness of Dakota shale oil? Many Filipinas, especially those who are less well-off, have a very passive understanding of their own capacities and self-sufficiency. Their understanding of survival is built on a model of fate and dependency. They eat today when food is plentiful because they assume they can't control tomorrow. Many dynamics in Philippine society and history contribute to this passive sense of dependency. They cannot get their heads around the notion of delayed gratification, such as living leanly while obtaining education or employable new skill sets, in anticipation of opportunities that may open up later. For many poor Filipinos it's a totally foreign cultural notion.

These considerations are important, not just to determine whether she's an opportunist, but also to avoid repeating the situation you created with the once sexually-active partner who now contributes so little to cleaning and cooking in your house. It's one thing to consider whether to bring this Filipina to North Dakota, it's quite another whether you could stand being with her after the joy of non-stop sex wears off.

By the way, have you seen the family "parts store"? This probably doesn't mean a NAPA auto parts store; it's more likely a shop in which scavengers bring in used or discarded mechanical parts, some of which may be refurbished and resold. I've watched how they take inoperable generators and alternators and break them apart to rip out the windings and resell them as scrap copper. Many of these businesses are barely scraping by. Unless you know their actual income, don't jump to the conclusion that they're middle class.

To still live with parents at age 28 and to have remained single is a little unusual, especially since she didn't show much reluctance to have sex with you. Her sexual experience came from somewhere. Is there a chance she has been married or had children? You reported going down on her voraciously; were there any signs of stretch marks or a C-section scar? Does her vagina feel tight like you'd expect of a woman who's never given birth, or perhaps a little looser and more accommodating for a larger Western penis? In my experience Filipinas who have never borne children are notoriously tight, and you can't miss the sensation. Keep in mind that Filipinas sometimes conceal the presence of children because they think it will scare away potential partners. Children need not be a deal-breaker, but it's important to know what you're getting into. Maybe you can break the ice by asking her how she'd feel about being a mother, and what kind of a mother she thinks she'd be.

You might also throw out the possibility of your moving to the Philippines. Since you probably don't want to do that, you'd need to treat it as a hypothetical. But check out her response. If she really loves you--as opposed to seeing you as a ticket to the states--then she ought to be willing to live with you in the Philippines as well.

I repeat: take your time. Get to know her. If she presses you for decisions, tell her that you do not want to enter into a relationship until you're sure it can work, and that both of you need to get to know each other better. Use your experience with the previous domestic girlfriend to explain why you are a little gun shy. Go visit her again. Get her to introduce you to her family and friends. If there are secrets she's concealing from you, some of them may pop up from a girlfriend who didn't get the memo. Remember the saying, "decide in haste, regret in leisure."

BrainDrain

12-14-17, 22:41

We were together for 2 days. But she insists on waiting for me and she communicates with me multiple times a day. She is 28 and still lives with mom / dad, 3 siblings. Is she trying to set the hook in getting to the USA or is she really in love? What do I do?I agree with Soapy Smith. I'll say it more bluntly.

"I love you" and "I miss you" are two terms that filipinas liberally use. I am guessing you see and hear these everyday many times.

And of course I wish to tell you the good news is she's be saving herself just for you which is why she got into bed with you so fast on the first day. Your amazing physique and magnetic personality knocked her out.

I'm not a cynic. I'll just tell you you are a love struck fool about to lose your money if you believe what you are thinking.

AC & Philippines is a fantastic place to visit for us middle aged men.

To search a good wife / partner you need to use different search tools that the 'sex tourist" tools you are currently using. They are there but not this way.

BD.

Chocha Monger

12-15-17, 01:06

I was lucky enough to visit the Philippines last September and I met a lovely local girl off of tinder (see Angeles report) She along with the other freebie I met through tinder were really clingy. This sweetheart of a girl even sent me a handmade box for my birthday. We skype almost everyday and I guess we are in a relationship. She is middle-class since her and her family own a parts store in the city, but throughout our months of communication she keeps placing herself here (USA) and in our house. Etc. Etc. She even posts love poems / sayings constantly on her facebook.

We were together for 2 days. But she insists on waiting for me and she communicates with me multiple times a day. She is 28 and still lives with mom / dad, 3 siblings. Is she trying to set the hook in getting to the USA or is she really in love? What do I do?After reading the report posted with questions from Montanaland, I knew he was in big trouble. To answer his question we must look at the last situation that resulted in his decision to go mongering in Angeles City.

Several years ago, he moved in with an American woman who admitted to having sex with well in excess of 30 men during years of riding the cock-carousel, around and around she goes. As a rule American women divide the number of men they fucked by three. Meaning that the live-in girlfriend actually fucked well over 90 men at least. Therefore, she was all sexed-out by the time she got to Montanaland. The proof was in the pudding when Ms. Cock Carousel suddenly started rationing sex with him to 2 or 3 times a month, and he got plenty of liberal feminist lectures to go with it. Fortunately, he realized that he had to escape from this Matchcom cock-wrangler. He read ISG and made his virgin trip to AC, so far so good.

His reports show that the research and reading on ISG paid off in spades. He effortless fucked his way through Manila, Subic, and Angeles City. Montanaland did not have any trouble until returning home and one of his Tinder fuck meats started acting all needy sending him love messages several times a day and planning her life with him in the USA. She even sent him a gift. The poor fella is now confused and does not know what to do. Those of us who venture into the Pinay dating scene know how hot and heavy the girls come on promising to be faithful loyal and true until we return like General MacArthur. It all sounds great, especially to anyone recovering from a rough patch in the romance market at home. A nice fella may think that he won the jackpot on his first foray to the Philippines. However, the odds of that happening is infinitesimal. More often than not, foreign fellas discover that Pinays are much more practical and resourceful in their sexual relationships than their initial demeanor may suggest. So, let us help a fellow foreigner out.

Montanaland, she is in love with the United States of America. You are her "tulay" (bridge) to get there. Be realistic about what happened. You swiped right on Tinder and she met you for some hot fucking, most likely the bareback kind. LOL! You fucked her for two days and with each orgasm, she declared her undying love for you. Looking at it objectively, you must admit that lust is the most appropriate word to describe the encounter rather than love. In the Philippines, a 28-year-old is the equivalent of a granny in the USA. She is uninhibited and uses social media to date in sex tourism town. You are not her first foreigner she and already knows what American men come looking for and what makes them tick. AC girls know exactly how to play the Kano. For a Filipina, love means you giving her everything she wants out of life. Love means that she is holding you responsible for making her happy and providing for her including her entire family. When you are no longer able or willing to do that, the love ends.

Montanaland, you should be alarmed because she is "love bombing" you. Love Bombing is a seductive tactic that is used when someone who is manipulative tries to control the relationship with bombs brimming with "love" right from day one. It often takes place within whirlwind romances and is usually directed by sociopaths or narcissists.

Your description of her behavior has all the indications of love bombing: She insists that she is waiting for you; communicates with you several times each day; sends you gifts; constantly posts love poems / quotes; and she is obsessed with the idea of being in your house. Unfortunately, it is such a dizzying experience it can take a little while to grasp the reality of what is actually taking place.

This concept is known as love bombing due to the bombardment of actions that may appear very similar to "love" but that are extremely overwhelming and deliberately perpetrated. So much so that the bombing can effectively sweep people off their feet and cause high levels of infatuation, as the target is unaware that it is a manipulative means to gain attention.

The approach does not give the person being bombed time to think straight or to assess whether the bomber is genuine or not as the relationship moves through the stages at full speed.

Love bombing is initially carried out through excessive phone calls, text messages, emails, the constant desire to be in close contact whether virtual or physical and the desire to be connected almost every moment of every day.

It is a predatory and over the top move to lure and attract someone so that they feel irreplaceable and fall unquestioningly into their lair without the need for the love bomber to make any real emotional commitment. Love bombing is a one-way game, with the simple goal of destabilizing and derailing the person being targeted so that they become very easy to manipulate.

You should start dialing back the communication and see how she reacts. All that communication must not leave much time for work, exercise, and chores around the house.

Kabul Guy

12-15-17, 04:15

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To search a good wife / partner you need to use different search tools that the 'sex tourist" tools you are currently using. They are there but not this way.

BD.What search tools would you recommend?

I have been using the dating sites and had good luck in hookups but none so far that I see as real long-term prospects. There were a few good possibilities but fatal flaws soon showed up.

So far I have resisted blind dates suggested by my Philippine friends and acquaintances, all pictures that I have been shown are not at all appealing to me, usually too olf, too many kids, too fat etc.

BrainDrain

12-15-17, 07:51

What search tools would you recommend?

I have been using the dating sites and had good luck in hookups but none so far that I see as real long-term prospects. There were a few good possibilities but fatal flaws soon showed up.

So far I have resisted blind dates suggested by my Philippine friends and acquaintances, all pictures that I have been shown are not at all appealing to me, usually too olf, too many kids, too fat etc.Our sex search tools are transaction based. We want a date for which we will pay cash. The girls on these sites, even the innocent hopeful ones are getting a daily barrage of dick pics, abuse messages and down right rudeness from the armchair wankers. The girls start to get a tainted impression of "all" foreigners.

For something deeper you have to consider the social structure of Philippines. Identification and reference relies far more on family connection and local reference. In the west, we can be identified through our own ID, our own jobs, our own structure, we can stand as one.

In Philippines, much more relies on referral and referencing through related third parties. We see this all the time in this forum. A girl introduces a cousin, the cousin introduces a friend etc. A solo without references doesn't make sense.

The same with finding a life partner. Friends of friends are going to be the way. Choose a location where you will visit / live without mongering. Be a clean living long term marriage material guy. Take the blind dates and take the introductions.

Just my experience.

Apologies to the poster that finds my posts "inanne" (sic).

Chocha Monger

12-15-17, 08:54

What search tools would you recommend?

I have been using the dating sites and had good luck in hookups but none so far that I see as real long-term prospects. There were a few good possibilities but fatal flaws soon showed up.

So far I have resisted blind dates suggested by my Philippine friends and acquaintances, all pictures that I have been shown are not at all appealing to me, usually too olf, too many kids, too fat etc.The problem with trying to find women without transactional intent is that they have better options within their peer groups. They have no need to marry a middle-aged or elderly foreign man from a different culture as a sacrifice for the economic security of the family. High class Filipinas do not normally marry Filipinos outside of their socioeconomic class. Most will not marry an older foreigner out of concern that they will be mistaken for one of the "desperate poor girls" that do.

Thanks to sensational reports in the national media about naughty foreigners going to jail for one thing or another, well-off Filipino families have unflattering opinions of Western men. From time to time, we hear those opinions in the rants of their president and senators. LOL! However, there is really no need for a wife in the Philippines as marriage only subjects the foreign man to more legal jeopardy without bringing any meaningful benefit. Too many Filipina-Foreigner marriages end in fatalities. What the Philippines offers is uncomplicated fun. It excels at providing this. Why make things complicated with people who take pride in being simple.

Kabul Guy

12-15-17, 09:01

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The same with finding a life partner. Friends of friends are going to be the way. Choose a location where you will visit / live without mongering. Be a clean living long term marriage material guy. Take the blind dates and take the introductions.
.....I have avoided that route so far because I don't want a failed date relationship to sour my friendships with the Philipino's here. We worked together in Afghanistan for years and that shared history means a lot to me. So far most referrals have been older women, closer to my age 62 instead of my preferred 30 +_ age range.

D Cups

12-15-17, 14:11

Montana: you do realize that if you want to make a go of it with her and tie the knot that you are actually marrying the entire EXTENDED family, don't you? That means you will cut your income into at least a third and more likely a lot more depending on moocher mom and dad, and the three siblings, all the first, second, third and fourth cousins, aunts, uncles, unknown illegitimate kids, Filipino boyfriends, Filipina girlfriends, etc. She has and most are all prompting her and advising her on how to win your heart and wallet and life savings? Wake up from this romantic myth dream! Don't be a fool, man!

On another note it is not unusual for a 28 year old to be living at home in the Philippines (and many other parts of the world including the USA, sadly). If you are hell bent on doing this go live in the Philippines with her, not here, and try it out. Any guy that brings a woman from their home country to the USA is completely stupid because the woman will quickly be tainted by American broads who think their pussy is made of the rarest, purest platinum-gold alloy while they literally rob you of your income, savings and indeed entire masculinity (and your mind) while bombarding you with endless, emotional drivel. Buyer beware.

I was lucky enough to visit the Philippines last September and I met a lovely local girl off of tinder (see Angeles report) She along with the other freebie I met through tinder were really clingy. This sweetheart of a girl even sent me a handmade box for my birthday. We skype almost everyday and I guess we are in a relationship. She is middle-class since her and her family own a parts store in the city, but throughout our months of communication she keeps placing herself here (USA) and in our house. Etc. Etc. She even posts love poems / sayings constantly on her facebook.

We were together for 2 days. But she insists on waiting for me and she communicates with me multiple times a day. She is 28 and still lives with mom / dad, 3 siblings. Is she trying to set the hook in getting to the USA or is she really in love? What do I do?.

Red Kilt

12-15-17, 14:26

<SNIP>
You might also throw out the possibility of your moving to the Philippines. Since you probably don't want to do that, you'd need to treat it as a hypothetical. But check out her response. If she really loves you--as opposed to seeing you as a ticket to the states--then she ought to be willing to live with you in the Philippines as well. <SNIP> This is the deal maker or breaker.

Great suggestion from Soapy. Throw it out there and see how she reacts.

I actually found my significant other this way. She was adamant that she did not want to live outside of the Philippines and that was a significant criterion in attracting her to me.

We love travelling to other places and she also loves visiting my country for 3 to 4 weeks at a time but we're always glad to get back to the PI. I should also add that we lived together for 8 years before we "formalized" it.

As an aside. I counselled one of my work colleague's heart-broken daughters recently about a guy she had met online. He had never visited but had made all sorts of promises to the girl online about trips to the USA and visas etc. Then he disappeared.

She was crying to me how she loved him so much and she was feeling devastated. All of these histrionics about love were built on a few cam to cam internet chats. She has never met the guy in person and she was bawling her eyes out because she "loved him so much" but he suddenly disappeared, and she was bewildered.

There are some strange ones out there Mr Montanaland. Open your eyes very widely.

D Cups

12-15-17, 14:26

Well said, Soapy. The Philippines culture completely boggles my mind especially given the surrounding counter cultures of other Asians especially the Chinese, Japanese, Indonesians, and Koreans. Yet, this culture of "live for today" is exactly why their economy sucks for them but is a boon for us. Culture is akin to a "national personality" unlikely to change without significant, nationally impacted, emotional events that replace the mindsets of its leaders.

Many Filipinas, especially those who are less well-off, have a very passive understanding of their own capacities and self-sufficiency. Their understanding of survival is built on a model of fate and dependency. They eat today when food is plentiful because they assume they can't control tomorrow. Many dynamics in Philippine society and history contribute to this passive sense of dependency. They cannot get their heads around the notion of delayed gratification, such as living leanly while obtaining education or employable new skill sets, in anticipation of opportunities that may open up later. For many poor Filipinos it's a totally foreign cultural notion.

D Cups

12-15-17, 14:56

As stated in my PM to you I love my job, it is good money for not much work, they pay for my travel and I already get as much global pukie (approximately 50 - 70 different pussies and delectable pairs of big tits annually) as I possibly can muster to oblige with my ageing albeit highly motivated libido. Congratulations on your success at a relatively young age. No doubt you worked very hard for it, prompting your desire to say goodbye to it to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Let's compare notes when you're 62 and see you how you are doing then. A lot of retired guys are bored to tears. Me, I plan to keep on writing and publishing professionally (and playing guitar and pumping young, amply endowed lovelies) until I no longer can because it is all good and this is how I define fun.

Dunna where you are cummin from but at 62 you should retire and enjoy global pukie as much as you can. I've set my limit at 50 so I have 7 yrs left. Then I sell all my biz, keep a few houses / cabins around and enjoy the rest of my days with GF, child and sports events with the guys (the cheating).

Mr Enternational

12-15-17, 16:15

For a Filipina, love means you giving her everything she wants out of life. Love means that she is holding you responsible for making her happy and providing for her including her entire family. When you are no longer able or willing to do that, the love ends.The funniest show in history is 90 Day Fiance. Right now this American guy that had already been cheated on by 2 spouses met a Filipina online. He went to Quezon City to visit her. The girl is 36 with no kids. (And like CM said, that is way over the hill in these parts.) he promised her the world. He brings her home to Arizona and she was like okay we have to have this baby within the next year. The guy was like hold on now. He had a vasectomy and all but he promised her all these things to get her. I guess a baby was one of them. He tells her he really does not want a baby so soon and she says well I will go fuck somebody else then.

I am not saying that everyone is the same, but you better analyze the shit out of your chick and be damn sure of what you are getting yourself into.

Orgasm Donor

12-17-17, 19:55

Soapy Smith

12-17-17, 20:03

As an aside. I counselled one of my work colleague's heart-broken daughters recently about a guy she had met online. He had never visited but had made all sorts of promises to the girl online about trips to the USA and visas etc. Then he disappeared. She was crying to me how she loved him so much and she was feeling devastated. All of these histrionics about love were built on a few cam to cam internet chats. She has never met the guy in person and she was bawling her eyes out because she "loved him so much" but he suddenly disappeared, and she was bewildered.From a Western perspective we are inclined to say that nobody "falls in love" after two nights spent with a Western man (as in Montanaland's case) or from a few internet chats with somebody the Filipina has never met in person. But maybe these situations can be understood through the overwhelming "dream" that many Filipinas have for a life in the states. I am struck by this fitting quote from a well-known Filipino: "It has often been said that in cultural terms we were in the convent for 300 years and in Hollywood for fifty. We prayed the rosary in the morning and dreamed of Marilyn Monroe at night. " It's not quite clear which 50 years he's referring to, but I think many would agree with the metaphor of ongoing influence from Hollywood images. So things American, including American men, fit into this unreflective dream that many Filipinas entertain.

So when prince charming arrives, however briefly, he appears as this pre-destined fulfillment of the woman's American dream. Reflection and judgment go out the window; she's sure she is in love. In a sense she is in love, but not in the ways that we Westerners think of as necessary ingredients for a successful long-term relationship. So your colleague's daughter's American suitor has shattered not only this thing she thought was love, but also her dream of getting to America.

In the same way, Montanaland's paramour may really think she is in love. Several posts have suggested that all of the paramour's "I love yous" and "I miss yous" are simply well-honed scripts driven from opportunistic motives. They may be. But another possibility is that Montana landed (pun intended) on the welcoming beachhead of a Filipina's American dream. If he was gentle and kind--and continues to be gentle and kind in his internet interactions with her--she may be more convinced than ever that she has found her American Prince Charming. Sometimes even women with a fair amount of earlier sexual experience may find gentleness and kindness a surprising and welcome experience. Perhaps many Filipinas are as culturally unsophisticated as Snow White and Sleeping Beauty, who were swept off their feet by nothing more than one prince who opens a coffin and another who kisses a sleeping woman awake. Women, including Filipinas, who live in fairy tales may be easily swept off their feet.

Orgasm Donor

12-17-17, 20:21

Whenever I find myself considering a foreign wife, I take a few minutes and watch Eddie Murphy's bit on "marriage" and "Finding a wife in Africa. It never fails to give me a few laughs and also sobers me right up. Another good one is Chris Rock bit on "Commitment".

Montana: you do realize that if you want to make a go of it with her and tie the knot that you are actually marrying the entire EXTENDED family, don't you? That means you will cut your income into at least a third and more likely a lot more depending on moocher mom and dad, and the three siblings, all the first, second, third and fourth cousins, aunts, uncles, unknown illegitimate kids, Filipino boyfriends, Filipina girlfriends, etc. She has and most are all prompting her and advising her on how to win your heart and wallet and life savings? Wake up from this romantic myth dream! Don't be a fool, man!

On another note it is not unusual for a 28 year old to be living at home in the Philippines (and many other parts of the world including the USA, sadly). If you are hell bent on doing this go live in the Philippines with her, not here, and try it out. Any guy that brings a woman from their home country to the USA is completely stupid because the woman will quickly be tainted by American broads who think their pussy is made of the rarest, purest platinum-gold alloy while they literally rob you of your income, savings and indeed entire masculinity (and your mind) while bombarding you with endless, emotional drivel. Buyer beware.

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Chocha Monger

12-17-17, 20:56

The funniest show in history is 90 Day Fiance. Right now this American guy that had already been cheated on by 2 spouses met a Filipina online. He went to Quezon City to visit her. The girl is 36 with no kids. (And like CM said, that is way over the hill in these parts.) he promised her the world. He brings her home to Arizona and she was like okay we have to have this baby within the next year. The guy was like hold on now. He had a vasectomy and all but he promised her all these things to get her. I guess a baby was one of them. He tells her he really does not want a baby so soon and she says well I will go fuck somebody else then.

I am not saying that everyone is the same, but you better analyze the shit out of your chick and be damn sure of what you are getting yourself into.Yes. Do not ever promise a Filipina cream pie unless you can deliver cream pie, and in huge servings. Otherwise, be prepared for her to find another fella to fill her up at your expense. Pinays may not seem very smart but they remember everything that you say if it involves getting something from you. "Maybe" and "if possible" does not mean anything to them. They will insist that you "promised" it to them. It is best never to mention getting them anything unless you are 100 percent certain that you can deliver on schedule. Although Filipinas are very unreliable and untrustworthy, they expect foreigners to be dependable and transparent.

WestCoast1

12-18-17, 06:28

Although Filipinas are very unreliable and untrustworthy, they expect foreigners to be dependable and transparent.So true. And quite a dichotomy: Unreliable and untrustworthy, yet the quickest to drop her panty. Nothing makes sense, yet I like it there.

MohdirFan82

12-18-17, 12:59

Me and my buddy Jim were best friends but he was little older then me. Jim was around 48, divorced and 2 grown up kids in US. Suddenly one day we decided we want to visit Philippines to have a good times. Now As for me, I been to Philippines a lot of times, since 2001 and I was very well aware of how things works. We first landed in Manila, and went straight to our rented condo.

We had a lot of fun in bars, pick up girls from streets, online, tinder, our dicks were about to fall off Sometimes we have 4 to 6 girls in our room in a day. Good times.

On the other hand Jim one day went to mall and met someone, she was around 30, no kids and very very gorgeous. They exchanged numbers, and same day she was in our room. According to her she was a nurse and seems to be very nice girl. They had sex, slept together and Jim would not let her go. I said Jim, "Let her go, their are thousands other girls waiting". He said no Marie is going with us everywhere and I am only fucking her. Anyway I said whatever Jim. Jim and Marie were like peas and pie. She would wash his feet at night, massage him and put him to sleep, cry cry cry and say " Jim you are my angel". I never met anyone like you Jim I love you, I will die without you etc. Etccccc.

My fear became real and Jim is in Love with her, and I told him. Once you leave Philippines you leave history behind and forget. Do not fall in love or believe someone say I love you. This was his first time in Philippines.

Anyway we returned to Kentucky, and Jim would talk, text, sent her gift, money and etc all the time. I told Jim, stop this shit, are you crazy? How many thousands time I hear I love you from Pinoy, and you fall in love with her.

Well, its good to be in love and be happy. One day Jim called me, he is flying to Philippines to marry her, bring her to Kentucky and live happy life forever. I begged him, told him not to do it.

To cut the story short, he went to Philippines married her, filed K1 visa for her, and 6 months later she was here in Kentucky. I went for his wedding and wished him the best of luck.

A year and half later, one day Jim called me, come to Jefferson Country Jail and release me, so I went to jail, and paid his bond and released him. He was arrested for domestic violence. And I took him to my home, he said things were perfect till she got her green card, Marie start working in Nursing home and in Hospital 7 days a week and I would hardly see her, and the money she would earn sent all to his family or hide. This went on for months till I sat down with her, and tell her what is going on? She said, I have 5 brothers, 2 sisters, father, mother, uncle and disable nephew to support.

Jim Said "I didn't bring you to America for that, I thought your family was financially okay". She said, no but I got to help them.

They started argument everyday, Marie had a friend in San Diego who showed her trick to call police, and you will be free from your husband, Marie had protective orders against him, and then she filed for divorced.

So Jim story ended, I usually never write in bold words but I will write now " PLEASE DO NOT BRING PHILIPPINE HERE IN USA" Keep them in Philippines and you will be treated like a king. If you bring Pinoy in US, you will lose control.

Philippines is my favorite country, I love the people, food and women But never bring them in US, or fall in love.

MohdirFan82

12-18-17, 13:19

Dear friend,

It's good to be have love, its okay to love her Nothing wrong wit that. But remember my advice I visited Philippines for 18 years. I can't recall how many girls loved me, wrote poems sent me gifts. This is why I love Philippines, guy like me, who was many times turned down by middle aged, considered just below average American women.

And here in Philippines I am treated like Jesus. Its feel good to be in Philippines, have fun, enjoy and leave. And come back for some more.

Remember the golden rules of Philippines: 1- Never bring her to United States no matter what. 2- Do not get her pregnant.

If you fallow this 2 rules, you will really enjoy. Yes you can be in love, whatsoever but remember I told you 2 rules.

I was lucky enough to visit the Philippines last September and I met a lovely local girl off of tinder (see Angeles report) She along with the other freebie I met through tinder were really clingy. This sweetheart of a girl even sent me a handmade box for my birthday. We skype almost everyday and I guess we are in a relationship. She is middle-class since her and her family own a parts store in the city, but throughout our months of communication she keeps placing herself here (USA) and in our house. Etc. Etc. She even posts love poems / sayings constantly on her facebook.

We were together for 2 days. But she insists on waiting for me and she communicates with me multiple times a day. She is 28 and still lives with mom / dad, 3 siblings. Is she trying to set the hook in getting to the USA or is she really in love? What do I do?

D Cups

12-18-17, 14:42

Holy shit! But I imagine there are a lot of foregone conclusions like this from other foolhardies. I rest my case.

Me and my buddy Jim were best friends but he was little older then me. Jim was around 48, divorced and 2 grown up kids in US. Suddenly one day we decided we want to visit Philippines to have a good times. Now As for me, I been to Philippines a lot of times, since 2001 and I was very well aware of how things works. We first landed in Manila, and went straight to our rented condo.

We had a lot of fun in bars, pick up girls from streets, online, tinder, our dicks were about to fall off Sometimes we have 4 to 6 girls in our room in a day. Good times.

On the other hand Jim one day went to mall and met someone, she was around 30, no kids and very very gorgeous. They exchanged numbers, and same day she was in our room. According to her she was a nurse and seems to be very nice girl. They had sex, slept together and Jim would not let her go. I said Jim, "Let her go, their are thousands other girls waiting". He said no Marie is going with us everywhere and I am only fucking her. Anyway I said whatever Jim. Jim and Marie were like peas and pie. She would wash his feet at night, massage him and put him to sleep, cry cry cry and say " Jim you are my angel". I never met anyone like you Jim I love you, I will die without you etc. Etccccc..

GoodEnough

12-18-17, 16:26

Soapy Smith

12-18-17, 20:03

Remember the golden rules of Philippines: 1- Never bring her to United States no matter what. 2- Do not get her pregnant. If you fallow this 2 rules, you will really enjoy. Yes you can be in love, whatsoever but remember I told you 2 rules.I live in a city of about 250,000. The local Filipino-American association has a little over 200 member families. At one time I was active in the organization and got to know many of the members. Approximately a quarter of the families were built around couples in which the husband was American and the wife Filipina. Most of these had kids, most of the kids were in their teens, and a few had raised their mixed race kids into adulthood.

Over the eight years of my involvement with the organization I knew of two families which seemed to experience some sort of abuse. In one a caucasian husband was often verbally abusive to his wife; since it often appeared in public at association events it was hard to miss. I ran into them recently in a local Walmart and was surprised at how much more amiable they seemed than in the past. They've been together about a dozen years.

In the other relationship a young African-American man was alledgedly abusing his Filipina fiancee, who had been in the states less than a month. She reported to other women in the association that he was abusing her physically and forcing her into sex several times daily against her will. She did not report the situation to authorities, but local association members helped raise enough money for a return flight to the Philippines.

So the families to which I am referring constitute a sample of more than 40 families, and all but two of these appear from the outside to be stable family units. I have found that the bamboo grapevine prevails in Filipino-American communities just as it does in Philippine communities, so when families are in uproar it's unlikely to remain a secret.

Cases like the one you describe attract attention, but are they representative? I too know of two negative cases, but I also know of more than 40 cases that do not appear to have resulted in disaster. Moreover, there were detectable warnings that your friend ignored. So, as succinct, elegant, and easy to remember as your two rules are, can you really say they're based on generalizable evidence?

I am considering two other possible explanations: a) our local authorities know about the lethality of Filipina-American marriages and are putting something in the water supply as an antidote; or b) unbeknownst to non-Filipiinos, my local Fil-Am association has put out advance notice that "we accept only happy families. ".

Dg8787

12-18-17, 20:30

I live in a city of about 250,000. The local Filipino-American association has a little over 200 member families. At one time I was active in the organization and got to know many of the members. Approximately a quarter of the families were built around couples in which the husband was American and the wife Filipina. Most of these had kids, most of the kids were in their teens, and a few had raised their mixed race kids into adulthood.

Over the eight years of my involvement with the organization I knew of two families which seemed to experience some sort of abuse. In one a caucasian husband was often verbally abusive to his wife; since it often appeared in public at association events it was hard to miss. I ran into them recently in a local Walmart and was surprised at how much more amiable they seemed than in the past. They've been together about a dozen years.

In the other relationship a young African-American man was alledgedly abusing his Filipina fiancee, who had been in the states less than a month. She reported to other women in the association that he was abusing her physically and forcing her into sex several times daily against her will. She did not report the situation to authorities, but local association members helped raise enough money for a return flight to the Philippines.

So the families to which I am referring constitute a sample of more than 40 families, and all but two of these appear from the outside to be stable family units. I have found that the bamboo grapevine prevails in Filipino-American communities just as it does in Philippine communities, so when families are in uproar it's unlikely to remain a secret.

Cases like the one you describe attract attention, but are they representative? I too know of two negative cases, but I also know of more than 40 cases that do not appear to have resulted in disaster. Moreover, there were detectable warnings that your friend ignored. So, as succinct, elegant, and easy to remember as your two rules are, can you really say they're based on generalizable evidence?

I am considering two other possible explanations: a) our local authorities know about the lethality of Filipina-American marriages and are putting something in the water supply as an antidote; or b) unbeknownst to non-Filipiinos, my local Fil-Am association has put out advance notice that "we accept only happy families. ".Flawed comparison. These are Kentuckians to begin with! All heresay again about Fil-Am failed marriages. I believe there are more successful ones than failed ones.

Someone would be an idiot to not think the Pinay wife would not help her family and to not budget accordingly.

SS thanks for the real story.

Sxxxx

12-19-17, 02:05

Well the girl normally is marrying guys much older than themselves, for financial stability (incl's money transfers to her mum and dad).

The guy marries for young willing sex.

Not enough, for a long term relationship.

Its the old story: "Why buy a book, when you can join the library" And the Phils library is a very big library indeed. Phils. Spoiled for choice (variety) , for life, and at half the cost.

GoodEnough

12-19-17, 02:43

Flawed comparison. These are Kentuckians to begin with! All heresay again about Fil-Am failed marriages. I believe there are more successful ones than failed ones.

Someone would be an idiot to not think the Pinay wife would not help her family and to not budget accordingly.

SS thanks for the real story.I think the comparison is flawed. Of course I don't know the basis of the relationship of the 40 couples mentioned, but I'm guessing that they weren't based on spending a mere two days together. I've been happily committed to the same woman here for 16+ years, and it's been the best relationship of my life, but we did not make a commitment to each other after two days. I'm friendly with dozens of foreigners here in Davao who have been married / involved with the same woman for lengthy periods, but again, these relationships evolved normally, over time, much as they would in the West.

GE.

Chocha Monger

12-19-17, 03:22

Me and my buddy Jim were best friends but he was little older then me. Jim was around 48, divorced and 2 grown up kids in US. Suddenly one day we decided we want to visit Philippines to have a good times. Now As for me, I been to Philippines a lot of times, since 2001 and I was very well aware of how things works. We first landed in Manila, and went straight to our rented condo.

We had a lot of fun in bars, pick up girls from streets, online, tinder, our dicks were about to fall off Sometimes we have 4 to 6 girls in our room in a day. Good times.

On the other hand Jim one day went to mall and met someone, she was around 30, no kids and very very gorgeous. They exchanged numbers, and same day she was in our room. According to her she was a nurse and seems to be very nice girl..MohdirFan82,

Thanks for sharing. You did all you could to help your friend Jim, without infringing on his right to make his own decisions no matter how stupid. As the saying goes, there is no fool like an old fool. After a divorce, many men make bad relationship decisions, as they go through a rebound phase in a subconscious attempt to plug the hole left in their lives. Predatory women can tune into this vulnerability and exploit it by playing the role of the "loving" partner. Marie had Jim in a thrall, and he refused to heed your warnings. He fell victim to his neediness and ego. Jim was not thinking with a sober mind otherwise, he would have realize that Marie was doing some rather corny acting when she washed his feet and dried it with her hair, weeping all the while and calling him an angel. LOL!

Perhaps, you feel guilty about taking Jim to the Philippines to monger seeing how it all went wrong for him. You are not to blame. You were more than a good friend to him, bailing him out of jail when Marie had him locked up for a session with Fleece Johnson. Maybe, you should have left him in there a bit longer just to be sure that he learned his lesson. Many other old fools with follow in his foolish footsteps with the full encouragement of those hoping to fuck an imported Filipina on the rather large and growing aftermarket. Much like Jim, they will not listen until it is too late. LOL!

Marie is making good undeclared income at the nursing home giving blowjobs to the elderly men there in return for cash and inclusion in their wills. With a nice gig like that it is no wonder that she works 7 nights each week. Once she cleans out Jim and takes his house, she will be living the American dream. Marie will have the full support of most American women and men, as Jim committed the ultimate sin of marrying a woman 18 years younger than him. Therefore, he is a qualified pervert and had it coming as far as they are concerned.

Maybe, the coming immigration reforms that intend to make the system merit-based and end chain migration might make it harder for men to make fools of themselves. Until then, there will be many others like Jim. Interestingly, in the Philippines, they would never allow a foreigner to do such a thing to a Filipino. However, Jim can expect no such support from fellow Americans.

Crazy4Thai

12-19-17, 03:24

I am back in Bangkok, perhaps where I belong. I am staying in touch via Line with the Burgos "massage" girl who did provide a GFE every time I was with her. A week ago she hit me up for a "loan" as it is slow and Christmas is coming. When she asked I did not cut all ties as I enjoy her when we are focused on her business. I just explained that I never do that because there are so many women and I am not a bank. We got past that and jokes on Line continue. One topic is I am trying to get her to rim me. She is laughing but is not going for it. Last night when she got past the greeting part she wrote that she is at home because "we have typhoon now". I expressed my surprise and eventually we were back to sex talk again. I then told her that I would soon be off to the blow job bar where lady rims me with HJ. No response. I add that this time I am taking 2 and one will rim me while the other blows me. No response. Before I headed out I looked up Manila weather and saw that all was well with a chance of light rain and a light breeze blowing. I guess she gave up on what was intended to be another round of asking for money to be sent to her. Or I broke her heart as she thought she was the only one.

Sxxxx

12-19-17, 06:48

I am back ......................I never give them contact info. Pain in the neck. Face to face, pussy to penis. That's it!

BrainDrain

12-19-17, 07:43

because "we have typhoon now". I expressed my surprise and eventually we were back to sex talk again. I then told her that I would soon be off to the blow job bar where lady rims me with HJ. No response. I add that this time I am taking 2 and one will rim me while the other blows me. No response. Before I headed out I looked up Manila weather and saw that all was well with a chance of light rain and a light breeze blowing. I guess she gave up on what was intended to be another round of asking for money to be sent to her. Or I broke her heart as she thought she was the only one.I've had one girl hitting me up for various things over the past week. Yesterday's line was parent's house destroyed in the typhoon. I guess these lines must work on someone.

BD.

Mogwai

12-19-17, 09:35

MohdirFan82

12-19-17, 14:57

Member #4558

12-19-17, 15:05

Philippines is my favorite country, I love the people, food and women But never bring them in US, or fall in love.Seriously do you live on waste back in your home country since you love the crappy / fatty Phil food? And a corrupted and crooked country is your fav country. Well I guess cheap pussy with younger girls got you seriously blinded.

Mr Enternational

12-19-17, 18:31

Seriously do you live on waste back in your home country since you love the crappy / fatty Phil food? And a corrupted and crooked country is your fav country. Well I guess cheap pussy with younger girls got you seriously blinded.Way to come bust up the party Mr. Realist. You mean you do not have a favorite Filipino restaurant where you eat once a week in the city that you live?

Member #4558

12-19-17, 20:01

Way to come bust up the party Mr. Realist. You mean you do not have a favorite Filipino restaurant where you eat once a week in the city that you live?I don't live here thanks God. So no, even if I stay in Makati somewhere between 40-80 days a year (divided over multiple work related trips), I stay clear of any place offering an all in Phil cuisine (I had hard time using "cuisine" over their crappy food, even veggies they manage to destroy and make unhealthy with the damn frying everything) and stick to intl known brands with western- or Thai dishes. That being said, this is all my subjective opinion and with this (my opinion) I just wondered if BM was in his right mind while stating he loves Phil food. I know I might generalise a bit but don't we all at times (meaning I haven't tasted all their dishes and I have no desire to)?

Higgins T

12-19-17, 22:30

I allmost Took a 29 year Old Filipina to Western Europe where I live And work.

I Decided Not to.

And believe me I Had the angel (strong feelings) sitting on one shoulder the and the Devil (rational thinking) on the other.

Asian Woman Are fantastic: feminine, Sweet, sexy, somtimes stubborn and sometimes they like Drama. I Can Handle that.

Asian women Are fantastic IN ASIA.

If You bring them to the west, they will eventually Change.

Since they Did Not grow up in the Western society they underestimate the hard work, the continuity, the dedication to keep your Western system Running. The sacrifice, the delayed gratification, the Patience You Need sometimes to keep the wonderfull Western Lifestyle which I am very happy with. Sometimes the relationship will Be very Nice and easy, sometimes it will come Short because of other obligations. You Are Not on Holiday.

Marrying an asian Woman and Taking her to the West is like Giving a Child Full authority. It will work For sometime But Then it can go wrong very badly. If She feels entitelt to something, if their Family back Home Gives her pressure, the Risk that She Starts behaving unrationally, is Even higher than with a Western Woman.

I See a high Risk that She will eat You Alive without mercy if you Open up your whole world to her.

So spend Time with her, treat her well, Maybe invite her over For a few Weeks But Do Not Marry that lovely asian Girl and bring her to the West. She will Change and will Not be that Girl anyone After a few years in the West.

Crazy4Thai

12-20-17, 01:04

I never give them contact info. Pain in the neck. Face to face, pussy to penis. That's it!To each his own. Sometimes the digital back and forth is just silly but it also can be quite entertaining. And functional for reuniting with favs. As a current fav likes to write "Enjoy each moment". Deep thoughts by Filipinas.

Chocha Monger

12-20-17, 02:02

Seriously do you live on waste back in your home country since you love the crappy / fatty Phil food? And a corrupted and crooked country is your fav country. Well I guess cheap pussy with younger girls got you seriously blinded.Not all of the food in the Philippines is crappy and fatty. The comfort foods tend to be salty sugary and greasy. However, those qualities are universal went it comes to comfort foods around the world. They satisfy primal cravings for calorie dense food from the days when humans spent more energy chasing down animals and foraging for food. The average Filipino is still much skinner than the average fat-assed monger who only breaks a sweat during Viagra-fueled fuck sessions with Pinays weighing less than a third of his weight.

Fish and chips; hamburgers and fries; and jelly donuts are just as unhealthy as any Filipino junk food. However, Filipinos have healthy food that most mongers have not tried, such as adobong daga (rodent cooked adobo style), which uses a sustainable source of lean protein and serves as an environmentally friendly form of pest control. Best of all you get to burn off some of those empty beer calories while catching dinner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnp9_zRCZMI

Chocha Monger

12-20-17, 03:32

I have Pinoy girl friend for 12 years, she is the best thing. From 12 years we had up and downs. But in the end we settle out own problems and not even one time the police knock on my door to punish me. It doesn't happen in US, you can even get arrested and punished for asking your wife for sex, let alone domestic issues.

My advice applies to me and people who think they like to be in control. Simply you stay men in Philippines, if you have issue with women you replace her with better one. It doesn't happen in US, if pay thousands to get rid of girl who dearly in love with and now she is Americanised and act like women in West which try to escape and ran to Philippines.

If you have a women in Phillipines, treat her right, be good to her. And when you have issue that can't be resolved, it's easy to replace.All very true but most American men miss their comfortable lives back home in spite of suffering severe sexual deprivation. The temptation to take their sweet little Pinay fuck meat back home is just too great, especially when she says and does everything they want in the Philippines. They start thinking, "Oh boy! I have everything I want in my life back home, except for an unlimited supply of sweet docile sexy pussy. If I take my darling fucklet back home, I will have the perfect life!

They do not realize that Filipinas come from a matriarchal domestic arrangement where the grandmother or mother wears the pants and controls the money. After the wedding and green card, she will want to take charge of her husband's income and redistribute it to her family back in the Philippines. If the husband does not agree to this, she will resort to emotional blackmail by sulking or threatening to cuckold him with a man willing to give her the money, and there is no shortage of those in America. LOL!

Alternatively, she may find employment herself and put all of her time and energy into working as many hours as possible to fund the ever-growing demands from her relatives. Meanwhile, she neglects her husband and her physical fitness. She grows fat, and is always too tired to put her previous levels of effort into sex. The husband gets wandering eyes and she gets insanely jealous and insecure. Then things start getting crazy.

What do you think a fat old ugly workaholic American fella would give to fuck a young fresh-off-the-boat Filipina wife looking to cuckold her husband in return for cash benefits? LOL! Another thing men will want to consider is the tax penalty included in the new tax bill. Alimony will no longer be tax deductible for the payer. However, the person receiving alimony can treat it as tax-free income. Therefore, divorce got more expensive for men when their imported Filipina wives sue for alimony. It may not be cheaper to keep her but it is going to be more expensive to get rid of her. LOL!

Mogwai

12-20-17, 09:11

I've had one girl hitting me up for various things over the past week. Yesterday's line was parent's house destroyed in the typhoon. I guess these lines must work on someone.
BD.

Last night when she got past the greeting part she wrote that she is at home because "we have typhoon now".There was a typhoon last Sunday in the central Philippines. So your girls could speak the truth. Or not of course. You never know.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/17/world/asia/philippines-landslides-tropical-storm.html

Red Kilt

12-20-17, 11:11

There was a typhoon last Sunday in the central Philippines. So your girls could speak the truth. Or not of course. You never know.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/17/world/asia/philippines-landslides-tropical-storm.htmlJust to corroborate Mog's reference, I have just returned from 2 days in Central Phils and there is a sh. tload of damage. It's possible parts of their story are true.

D Cups

12-20-17, 14:34

You speak truth, CM. I personally know several American guys who married Filipinas who are like this. One of my best friends, for example. He married her, put her through nursing school, and now she she is the breadwinner as he is retired. She blimped out a little bit but still gives him sex. She's way better looking than most American holsteins her age, tho. She doesn't cook or clean, tho, and sends her moocher relatives at least 40% of her six digit income. If he had to do it over he says he'd stay single and do what I'm doing: mongering in Southeast Asia, Caribbean, Latin America. He is living vicariously through me and longs for the single life, travel, new pussy. Regarding your other point, yes, a guy would have to be completely stupid to marry an American broad.

Filipinas come from a matriarchal domestic arrangement where the grandmother or mother wears the pants and controls the money.
Alternatively, she may find employment herself and put all of her time and energy into working as many hours as possible to fund the ever-growing demands from her relatives. Meanwhile, she neglects her husband and her physical fitness. She grows fat, and is always too tired to put her previous levels of effort into sex. The husband gets wandering eyes and she gets insanely jealous and insecure. Then things start getting crazy.

Alimony will no longer be tax deductible for the payer. However, the person receiving alimony can treat it as tax-free income. Therefore, divorce got more expensive for men when their imported Filipina wives sue for alimony. It may not be cheaper to keep her but it is going to be more expensive to get rid of her. LOL!

Dg8787

12-20-17, 17:16

Just to corroborate Mog's reference, I have just returned from 2 days in Central Phils and there is a sh. tload of damage. It's possible parts of their story are true.A few days ago I received pictures of severe typhoon damage in Eastern Samar. Houses were damaged from the wind and fallen trees. The 5’ x 6’ community outhouse was still standing. It was the strongest building there, wood frame on thick slab of raised concrete, walls and roof of galvanized metal with 12" air gap from top of the wall to the roof. Sadly all the houses were not built as well.

Most families livehood is from fishing and they have been unable to fish or their boats were damaged too. I did send money for 6 families to buy food there. Calbiga had heavy flooding too from other pictures sent to me.

There is real damage so be kind and wise.

Soapy Smith

12-20-17, 17:38

Just wondering what the other 75% of the families was built around. Divorced couples?Perhaps the meaning of Phil-Am is not clear. Just like Italian-Americans or African-Americans, these are people of Filipino descent who have settled in the states. More than half of this association are households in which both husband and wife are of Filipino origin. They arrive here on visas that are preferential to people with advanced education or skills. In some other cases Filipino husbands obtained American citizenship through American military service.

A small handful of households are single Filipinos or Filipinas who were recruited as nurses or teachers. There may be two or three households with a husband of Canadian, Australian, or European origin and a Filipina wife. I was the only member for which nobody in the household was of Filipino origin.

I originally made contact with them when I was invited to attend their annual picnic in 2006, a few months prior to my first extended stay in the Philippines. I was a total stanger when I walked into their picnic area armed with nothing more than a potluck dish to share and the name of the association President. This was probably the warmest and most welcoming group of people I have ever encountered in my country. Filipinos may not be universally welcoming to all outsiders, but with regard to Westerners, their welcoming stance is in sharp contrast to East Asians, who tend to be very exclusionary and do not welcome outside men forming relationships with their women.

MohdirFan82

12-20-17, 18:03

In 2001 when I just got divorced, lost my house, cars, kids, job, 401 K etc. I felt really depressed, a friend of mine introduced me to Phillipines In the beginning I was just listening to his stories for hours and watching these pictures. I thought to my self, hell this old fella get 18 and 19 year old girls and they beg him to come over.

Russians mail order scam was at its peak, so I couldent conveince myself this can be true out of desperation I joined the single men club for dating in Louisville, KY. Talked to this 38 years old slob (when lion is hungry it even attack crocodile or elephant) and I was one horney Lion back then. Took her on a date, spend my hard earn money on fucking fancy dinner (olive Gardan) with wine. So in the end I should atleast get a blow job or a something but she said " I am really nice guy she might let me kiss her after several more dinner dates " .

My friend said, you are stupid let's go to Phillipines here I go, after that never looked back.

I never dated any live stock in US or GPS girl in US I feel so blessed. It's make me 10 years younger every time I creampie 18 years old Pinoy now I ain't no fat guy or ugly guy. I am just 58 years old.

God bless Phillipines and US $.

Soapy Smith

12-20-17, 19:27

I think the comparison is flawed. Of course I don't know the basis of the relationship of the 40 couples mentioned, but I'm guessing that they weren't based on spending a mere two days together. GE.Correct. Many relationships based on a few days sexual courtship of the type often reported in the ISG forum are unlikely to last long enough to end up as members of a Fil-Am association. But I do know a few couples whose initial in-person contacts were quite limited, and they succeeded in getting to know each other over a series of emails and skype sessions.

I have one friend, a very well-educated nuclear engineer, who met a Filipina waitress in a hotel in Hong Kong. He was in a rocky stateside marriage at the time. He is more than two decades older than she is. I have never inquired about the extent of their initial sexual relationship, but I have assumed it began during his short stay in Hong Kong. They courted over the internet and a couple of visits to her hometown in Zambales Province. They married after about 18 months, ten years ago, and he brought her to the states. She has three kids from an earlier marriage, and they have one of their own, now about six. He retired about three years ago, and they moved to the Philippines. I visited them about a year ago, and they appeared to be very happy, although I think he's a little lonely for contact with American friends. She has always been very affectionate with him, which was sometimes hard to watch because I craved something similar for myself. I know of several other relationships between American men and much younger Filipina brides who continue to dote on them for years.

My point was to respond to MohdirFan's two rules. Note that his rules appear to apply to all Filipinas, not merely those known only through brief sexual encounters. In fact, he leaves no room for other trajectories, as suggested by his "no matter what."

Remember the golden rules of Philippines: 1- Never bring her to United States no matter what. 2- Do not get her pregnant. If you fallow this 2 rules, you will really enjoy. Yes you can be in love, whatsoever but remember I told you 2 rules.

If he had qualified rule one as: "Never bring a Filipina to the United States whom you know only through a brief sexual relationship," I think that's good advice. Then rule number two becomes unnecessary.

My bottom line is that relationships between Filipinas and American men in which the two have carefully gotten to know each other stand at least as much chance of success as do relationships between two Americans.

Dg8787

12-20-17, 19:44

George03

12-20-17, 20:02

MohdirFan82

12-20-17, 22:18

Yes she was a good girl, and keeping her pussy for the right person. I guess I wasnt a right one. Never went to date for second time.

Wow, took her to the "fancy" Olive "Gardan" and still couldn't get laid. Amazing!

Crazy4Thai

12-21-17, 04:14

There was a typhoon last Sunday in the central Philippines. So your girls could speak the truth. Or not of course. You never know.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/17/world/asia/philippines-landslides-tropical-storm.htmlGood input. The girl is based in Makati though so I suspect that she was borrowing from that weather drama rather than actually experiencing it. As I wrote previously, Makati was overcast, light rain possible and light winds.

BrainDrain

12-21-17, 04:19

A few days ago I received pictures of severe typhoon damage in Eastern Samar. Houses were damaged from the wind and fallen trees. The 5 x 6 community outhouse was still standing. It was the strongest building there, wood frame on thick slab of raised concrete, walls and roof of galvanized metal with 12" air gap from top of the wall to the roof. Sadly all the houses were not built as well.
There is real damage so be kind and wise.You guys DG8787, RedKilt & Mogwai do give a good reminder. It's a case of the pinay that cried wolf. In my case the girl over the last week had:

No money for transport to work. Still managed to work.

No money to buy clothes for Christmas function. Still managed to go.

No money for Christmas function present. Still managed to go.

In her specific case it was just another story.

BD.

Nightrider1

12-21-17, 10:43

Wow, took her to the "fancy" Olive "Gardan" and still couldn't get laid. Amazing!I thought the EXACT same thing as I was reading that post. LOL.

CallSign Papa

12-21-17, 12:14

In her specific case it was just another story.
In all cases it's just another story BD, I'm surprised most filipinas aren't related to Hans Christian Andersen with all the tall tales they tell.

Roll Aides

12-22-17, 01:01

For fellow punters visiting the Philippines for the first time, I heartily recommend undertaking a simple course of conditioning, which will minimize your risk and stress whilst staying here and enjoying the fine Pinay putay that the islands have to offer. Please note, this program can also be useful for occasional visitors who have fallen out of practice.

1) Obtain a copy of the 2006 film, Idiocracy, about a dystopian future in which everyone is retarded. Watch this film at least once per day, for a minimum of two weeks (preferably a month.) Properly performed, this will help mitigate any feelings of disorientation, irritation, or stark disbelief, which might otherwise interfere with the enjoyment of your magical time here.

2) Practice saying the word "no" repetitively, for at least a full hour each day, using a firm but friendly tone of voice. You may wish to incorporate variations, such as "not going to happen" "I think not," "when pigs grow wings," or simply chortling and shaking your head in negation. This should be kept up until saying "no" is entirely habitual to you, and you start to accidentally say "no" in conversations when you actually meant something else. A good indication is when you answer the phone with "absolutely not," or something similar.

Please do not disregard these safety measures, or you may find yourself experiencing certain unpleasant symptoms, such as: Losing your temper at cabbies and airlines; "loaning" women money; complaining that the electricity and / or water is not working; dry heaves; headaches; overpaying for pussy and then rationalizing it; diesel inhalation; nausea; hair loss; marrying bar girls; and venting / rants on message boards about that time it took three cashiers twenty minutes to sell you a phone charger. Remember, a little preparation goes a long way.

Dg8787

12-22-17, 03:31

Yes she was a good girl, and keeping her pussy for the right person. I guess I wasnt a right one. Never went to date for second time.You should have made it clear to her up front. Eat at fancy Olive Garden and you put out later! Did she order extra breadsticks?

WestCoast1

12-22-17, 07:50

Just to corroborate Mog's reference, I have just returned from 2 days in Central Phils and there is a sh. tload of damage. It's possible parts of their story are true.My girls from northeast Mindanao (6 of them) have all left messages: "lost all my stuff" and "house flooded" and "part of roof gone" and "all house gone the river flood into the house and then the house washing away all gone". All in 3 days.

GoodEnough

12-22-17, 09:56

My girls from northeast Mindanao (6 of them) have all left messages: "lost all my stuff" and "house flooded" and "part of roof gone" and "all house gone the river flood into the house and then the house washing away all gone". All in 3 days.I've seen some of the pictures friends' families have taken in and around CDO. The damage to some areas is severe, and it's not unreasonable to conclude that some of these ladies are telling the truth.

GE.

Red Kilt

12-22-17, 11:32

I've seen some of the pictures friends' families have taken in and around CDO. The damage to some areas is severe, and it's not unreasonable to conclude that some of these ladies are telling the truth.

GE.I sent exactly the same message to WC too. The local news is showing some very severe damage in Norther Mindanao just west of CdO around Misamis Occ.

Dg8787

12-22-17, 20:57

I've seen some of the pictures friends' families have taken in and around CDO. The damage to some areas is severe, and it's not unreasonable to conclude that some of these ladies are telling the truth.

GE.It is true that there are severe typhoon damage. It doesn't take a lot of money to repair some houses. You would be surprised what $50-100 will do. I have sent money to repair 6 homes. Unfortunately there are thousands of damaged homes. Thanks to those who are willing to help.

Chocha Monger

12-23-17, 03:17

I never give them contact info. Pain in the neck. Face to face, pussy to penis. That's it!Such direct and vigorous intercourse is the most rewarding and productive means of communicating with Pinays. All others are a waste of time. Leave all the calling, texting and messaging with apps for other fellas who like to chit chat the girls and send money for emergencies when the typhoon blows away the house for the carabao (water buffalo), etc. Pinays like to fill in the time between intense intercourse by using their smartphones and hotel Wi-Fi to inform their other foreigner sweethearts that they have no money for food and load. Apparently, fresh cream pie and recently deposited loads do not count.

Streetlooker

12-23-17, 06:38

I thought the EXACT same thing as I was reading that post. LOL.Olive garden is fine dining in Kentucky.

Nightrider1

12-23-17, 10:36

Olive garden is fine dining in Kentucky.Sure is, one step up from Mc Donalds, Olive garden has people who wait on you and bring you unlimited bread sticks. LOL.

Mua Tur

12-23-17, 13:09

It is true that there are severe typhoon damage. When:

December 22,2017.

Affected Cities belongs to CDO and Davao Orientaa are as follows:

Bongo Island, Maguindanao, Pagadian City, Cagayan de Oro, Bonbon, Cebu City, Gusa, Cugman, Carmen, Mati, Tarragona, Manay, New Bataan, Baganga, Pagsabangan, Tandawan, Cateel, New Bataan, Bislig, Surigao del Sur.

It doesn't take a lot of money to repair some houses. You would be surprised what $50-100 will do. I have sent money to repair 6 homes. Unfortunately there are thousands of damaged homes. Thanks to those who are willing to help.Its really appreciable you had supported some of effects. But we can not determine the volume of damage with the money we are sending off unless we are not there. Here are some pics.

Soapy Smith

12-23-17, 17:22

I sent exactly the same message to WC too. The local news is showing some very severe damage in Norther Mindanao just west of CdO around Misamis Occ.People have been posting about storm reports from the news and from women's appeals for help. In fact, there are two separate tropical storms, about five days apart. The first was Kai-Tak (local name Urduja), which struck Samar in the Eastern Visayas on December 16th. It passed over northern Samar Island, and did some of its worst damage on the island of Biliran, a small island province at the northern end of Leyte Island.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-18/typhoon-hits-philippine-province/9269758

Tembin (local name Vinta) hit Mindanao early on December 22nd, moving westward across the island and eventually toward Palawan. Much of the worst damage appears to be in Lanao del Norte in areas west of Marawi City and southwest of Iligan City. The huge damage that RK and others are reporting is from this storm. There are reports of whole villages being obliterated and many, many bodies being retrieved. I suspect the numbers of dead will be in the high hundreds. This country just can't catch a break. Recent reports suggest that this Philstar report is probably premature.

http://www.philstar.com/

I added the first two links in an edit, and the hotlinks did not take. You will have to paste into your browser. I think this link shows the paths of the two storms:

https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/171222_ocha_phl_ts_kaitak_ts_tembin.pdf

Chocha Monger

12-23-17, 23:19

Well, as a rough guide when determining how much money to send, $100 USD is about P5,000. Here are some prices of goods that money is likely to purchase:

Emperador Solera brandy 750 ML P88.

Ginebra Gin Bilog 350 ML P116.85.

Tanduay Ice Alcomix 330 ML (3-pack) P78.

San Miguel Beer 330 ML P32.75.

Red Horse Beer 1000 ML P97.

Marvels Red cigarettes (pack) P47.

Marlboro cigarettes (pack) P82.

The family will not even notice that the nipa hut is gone until a week later, and they will be sure to let you know that the money you sent was not enough and you need to send more money. Remember the trike and the animals washed away in the flood, so you need to replace those too. A good starting point to replace the nipa hut and contents is P100,000.

P.S. Do not forget that Americans in Puerto Rico and the USA Virgin Islands are homeless and without electric power and safe drinking water.

GoodEnough

12-24-17, 01:34

People have been posting about storm reports from the news and from women's appeals for help. In fact, there are two separate tropical storms, about five days apart. The first was Kai-Tak (local name Urduja), which struck Samar in the Eastern Visayas on December 16th. It passed over northern Samar Island, and did some of its worst damage on the island of Biliran, a small island province at the northern end of Leyte Island.

. This country just can't catch a break. Recent reports suggest that this Philstar report is probably premature.

http://www.philstar.com/

I added the first two links in an edit, and the hotlinks did not take. You will have to paste into your browser. I think this link shows the paths of the two storms:

https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/171222_ocha_phl_ts_kaitak_ts_tembin.pdfThis country, like other island nations, is especially prone to natural disasters caused by rising sea levels and global warming, and the frequency of storms and related storm damage will likely worsen in the years ahead. However, it appears to me as if disaster management and disaster relief efforts have been improving rapidly. The Government is investing in disaster mapping; all local and provincial government are now required (I think) to produce and update disaster recovery and relief plans; the national government has invested in rescue craft and the forward positioning of supplies, and help does appear to be arriving more quickly to stricken areas. That's the positive news.

On the negative side of the equation, subsistence farmers and fisherfolk still insist on building structures in the middle of flood plains—in defiance of a national law prohibiting such construction—and will continue to be at risk. Construction standards have not improved. Drainage systems in outlying areas are wholly inadequate and forest cover continues to disappear because of illegal logging, increading the frequency and severity of landslides. Effective land use planning is spotty and largely absent from larger cities.

GE.

WestCoast1

12-24-17, 03:32

This country, like other island nations, is especially prone to natural disasters caused by rising sea levels and global warming, and the frequency of storms and related storm damage will likely worsen in the years ahead.
GE.Two of my girls on Mindanao sent me pics yesterday (taken the day prior) showing fam / neighbors either inside the home and waste-deep in water, or just outside the home in the common compound courtyard also waist-deep in water. However today both girls report all the water has receded completely, and its muddy everywhere inside and out. The cleanup process has begun. However, all girls report the fam losing almost everything they owed, either from flooding sweeping away contents, or being evacuated and thieves stealing the contents. One lost an entire plywood home, washed away into a river that flooded over its banks (along with a bunch of other homes along the banks).

Mogwai

12-24-17, 10:10

P.S. Do not forget that Americans in Puerto Rico and the USA Virgin Islands are homeless and without electric power and safe drinking water.Hmm, America first?

Anyway, now that American companies have to pay less taxes they can spend more money on charity programs for Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

GoodEnough

12-24-17, 10:48

Two of my girls on Mindanao sent me pics yesterday (taken the day prior) showing fam / neighbors either inside the home and waste-deep in water, or just outside the home in the common compound courtyard also waist-deep in water. However today both girls report all the water has receded completely, and its muddy everywhere inside and out. The cleanup process has begun. However, all girls report the fam losing almost everything they owed, either from flooding sweeping away contents, or being evacuated and thieves stealing the contents. One lost an entire plywood home, washed away into a river that flooded over its banks (along with a bunch of other homes along the banks).I've not seen any reports of cholera, but that's always a post-disaster risk, especially in countries like this in which public health resources are so limited.

GE.

AussieGaigin

12-24-17, 10:53

When:

December 22,2017.

Affected Cities belongs to CDO and Davao Orientaa are as follows:

Bongo Island, Maguindanao, Pagadian City, Cagayan de Oro, Bonbon, Cebu City, Gusa, Cugman, Carmen, Mati, Tarragona, Manay, New Bataan, Baganga, Pagsabangan, Tandawan, Cateel, New Bataan, Bislig, Surigao del Sur.

Its really appreciable you had supported some of effects. But we can not determine the volume of damage with the money we are sending off unless we are not there. Here are some pics.Some video footage on local TV news here in Sydney tonight included clips similar to your pictures.

Also mentioned was a fire in a shopping mall in Davao that killed at least 37 people. Don't know how old that actually was, our TV stations are notorious for digging out "old news" to fill in time for a story.

Mogwai

12-24-17, 11:27

Also mentioned was a fire in a shopping mall in Davao that killed at least 37 people. Don't know how old that actually was, our TV stations are notorious for digging out "old news" to fill in time for a story.This happened yesterday. It was in the news here in Holland as well.

GoodEnough

12-24-17, 14:11

This happened yesterday. It was in the news here in Holland as well.It's made the news all over the world. I know the family that owns the mall pretty well, and I imagine they're devastated given that they're some of the kindest, nicest people I know. My wife was at the mall when the fire started and was evacuated within minutes after having smelled smoke. There's as yet no cause given as to the origin of the fire, but the NYT did say in an article that various terrorist groups had threatened to attack malls during this season.

GE.

Dg8787

12-24-17, 19:11

Soapy Smith

12-24-17, 19:23

This country, like other island nations, is especially prone to natural disasters caused by rising sea levels and global warming, and the frequency of storms and related storm damage will likely worsen in the years ahead.For a number of years the Philippines has ranked as one of the top three most disaster vulnerable countries, along with two Pacific island nations, Vanuatu and Tonga. But disaster threats in the Philippines also include volcanoes and earthquakes. In Metro Manila the greatest concern is about the West Valley Fault line, which runs parallel to the Marakina River through Quezon City, Pasig, Taguig, etc. Locals refer to it as preparing for "the big one. " The Department and Science and Technology has a phone app available that has a GPS component and automatically calculates the distance from the fault line.

However, it appears to me as if disaster management and disaster relief efforts have been improving rapidly. The Government is investing in disaster mapping; all local and provincial government are now required (I think) to produce and update disaster recovery and relief plans; .A 2010 law changed the funding landscape. Previously five percent of national funds directed to local government units were designated for disaster management, but local leaders had a lot of discretion as to how the funds were used. The greatest political payoff came from being seen doling out resources to disaster victims. The new law took some discretion out of the hands of local political leaders by designating that a larger proportion, more than half of the five percent, I think, could only be spent for mitigation (disaster threat mapping, building codes, designating and enforcing no-build areas, sea walls, stronger public buildings and bridges, etc.) and preparedness (training, buying rescue equipment and electric generators, educating the public about evacuation, building evacuation shelters, etc.). Local leaders did not like losing their discretion, and they knew that buying rescue craft has much less political cachet than being shown on TV handing out disaster relief. I have been told that a few local governments caught on quickly, but many resisted, and many are still way behind the curve.

On the negative side of the equation, subsistence farmers and fisherfolk still insist on building structures in the middle of flood plains in defiance of a national law prohibiting such construction and will continue to be at risk. Construction standards have not improved. Drainage systems in outlying areas are wholly inadequate and forest cover continues to disappear because of illegal logging, increasing the frequency and severity of landslides. Effective land use planning is spotty and largely absent from larger cities. GE.Therein lies the rub. Poor people need livelihoods. I was in Tacloban nine months after Haiyan drowned thousands of people there. Soon after the disaster national authorities introduced a moratorium on building within a half km of the shore. I took the photo below when I was there. Clearly the fisherfolk had rebuilt their shanties at the shoreline, totally ignoring the moratorium. Alternatively, are they going to drag their bancas half a km to the edge of the water, or leave them and their fishing gear far from home where they can't safeguard them? The other part of the equation is that they are squatters. They live in dangerous areas at the shoreline because they can't afford to buy land, and nobody who can afford land wants to live there.

Poor people throughout the Philippines squat under these same dynamics. Squatters are voters, and often political leaders don't want to be seen pushing them around. So building in identified flooding and seismic danger zones is often a simple economic equation. Poverty and landlessness are the real issues.

Another dynamic is affecting the dangers of erosion from illegal logging and mining. In recent years the principal deterrents to this activity have been environmental NGOs and local indigenous groups, who typically used the land for communal consumption. Recently I was told by a prominent NGO leader that executions of these resisters have spiked within the last year. He insists that it's because the illegal mining and logging interests have become entrenched in high levels of the current administration, and so they have little to fear from government enforcement. I have no way to corroborate his claim, but people I have talked to can't disprove it.

Soapy Smith

12-24-17, 19:28

The family will not even notice that the nipa hut is gone until a week later, and they will be sure to let you know that the money you sent was not enough and you need to send more money. Remember the trike and the animals washed away in the flood, so you need to replace those too. A good starting point to replace the nipa hut and contents is P100,000.I have been told by poor Filipinos who have experienced such disasters that the most important resources they need following the crisis are blue tarpaulins, a hammer, and a few nails. It is likely that human resilience does more for disaster recovery than do the billions of dollars of humanitarian relief.

Dg8787

12-24-17, 19:39

For a number of years the Philippines has ranked as one of the top three most disaster vulnerable countries, along with two Pacific island nations, Vanuatu and Tonga. But disaster threats in the Philippines also include volcanoes and earthquakes. In Metro Manila the greatest concern is about the West Valley Fault line, which runs parallel to the Marakina River through Quezon City, Pasig, Taguig, etc. Locals refer to it as preparing for "the big one. " The Department and Science and Technology has a phone app available that has a GPS component and automatically calculates the distance from the fault line.

A 2010 law changed the funding landscape. Previously five percent of national funds directed to local government units were designated for disaster management, but local leaders had a lot of discretion as to how the funds were used. The greatest political payoff came from being seen doling out resources to disaster victims. The new law took some discretion out of the hands of local political leaders by designating that a larger proportion, more than half of the five percent, I think, could only be spent for mitigation (disaster threat mapping, building codes, designating and enforcing no-build areas, sea walls, stronger public buildings and bridges, etc.) and preparedness (training, buying rescue equipment and electric generators, educating the public about evacuation, building evacuation shelters, etc.). Local leaders did not like losing their discretion, and they knew that buying rescue craft has much less political cachet than being shown on TV handing out disaster relief. I have been told that a few local governments caught on quickly, but many resisted, and many are still way behind the curve.

Therein lies the rub. Poor people need livelihoods. I was in Tacloban nine months after Haiyan drowned thousands of people there. Soon after the disaster national authorities introduced a moratorium on building within a half km of the shore. I took the photo below when I was there. Clearly the fisherfolk had rebuilt their shanties at the shoreline, totally ignoring the moratorium. Alternatively, are they going to drag their bancas half a km to the edge of the water, or leave them and their fishing gear far from home where they can't safeguard them? The other part of the equation is that they are squatters. They live in dangerous areas at the shoreline because they can't afford to buy land, and nobody who can afford land wants to live there.

Poor people throughout the Philippines squat under these same dynamics. Squatters are voters, and often political leaders don't want to be seen pushing them around. So building in identified flooding and seismic danger zones is often a simple economic equation. Poverty and landlessness are the real issues.

Another dynamic is affecting the dangers of erosion from illegal logging and mining. In recent years the principal deterrents to this activity have been environmental NGOs and local indigenous groups, who typically used the land for communal consumption. Recently I was told by a prominent NGO leader that executions of these resisters have spiked within the last year. He insists that it's because the illegal mining and logging interests have become entrenched in high levels of the current administration, and so they have little to fear from government enforcement. I have no way to corroborate his claim, but people I have talked to can't disprove it.Very well written. While Pres Marcos was stealing the treasury he developed a low income housing plan at no or low cost to the government. He gave squatters rights. They did not get title to the property but the right to live there and the right to electrical power and water providing they paid for the hook ups. Thru out the Philippines you will see this on the coast, along the highways and even next to the shipyards in Manila.

With corruption up to the highest levels and over population I don't see any changes for the better.

PedroMorales

12-24-17, 20:15

With corruption up to the highest levels and over population I don't see any changes for the better.True but the poverty keeps the supply of cut price hookers huge. The challenge is not on the supply side but on what to do with the supply.

Soapy Smith

12-24-17, 20:45

They did not get title to the property but the right to live there and the right to electrical power and water providing they paid for the hook ups. Thru out the Philippines you will see this on the coast, along the highways and even next to the shipyards in Manila.And the electric and water utilities have been exploited by "syndicates." The redtape in dealing with Meralco and Maynilad Water--being able to show that you have a legal residence there, that you can provide proof of income to pay the bill regularly, and so on--often makes it attractive to get water and electricity from the syndicate. These private parties get an electrical service "drop" from Meralco, and then sublet electric service to the local residents--at elevated prices. Often squatters are "renting" from other "professional squatters." These are people with money who own property and live elsewhere but have established squatter claims, hold homes inside the squatter settlement, and then rent them to poor familes who are truly poor and landless. I have been shown squatter areas even on the campus of the University of the Philippines in Quezon City. I have a friend employed in a professional position at UP who rents from a professional squatter who has established apartments on the campus. He lives in fear that he, his wife, and twin daughters could be evicted if the university chooses to dislodge the professional squatter's claim.

I was once invited to observe as squatter families from alongside Diliman Creek near Tomas Morato Avenue in Quezon City were being relocated to a new housing development being bulit elsewhere in QC by Habitat for Humanity. The PNP provided buses to transport the people and a handful of deuce-and-a-half military trucks to transport their belongings. Diliman Creek in this area is like a gorge--which occasionally floods over its banks--and many of these homes were perched on ledges on the sidewalls of the gorge. But a protest broke out in which those who were relocating were blocked from moving their belongings to the trucks. The protesters were primarily "professional squatters" for whom the relocation represented a loss of income when these people moved out of the homes owned by the professionals. Eventually the police arrived and created a path out through the blockade. Some of the resistance, however, is from poor squatters who have established lean livelihoods as street vendors, tricycle drivers, or recycling scavengers and fear they will be unable to find new livelihood elsewhere. Others simply don't want to be separated from family and friends from their home provinces who live nearby.

In 2009 Typhoon Ondoy created dangerously high water in the Agno River in Benguet and Pangasinan Provinces. In order to protect several dams from breaching, including the huge San Roque Dam, the authorities decided on short notice to open the flood gates to release pressure on the dams. Unfortunately, there were weak or non-existent systems to warn about flooding downriver. Hundreds of people drowned downriver in Pangasinan Province, most of them squatters living precariously in the river flood plain. Sometimes life is very cheap in the Philippines.

GoodEnough

12-25-17, 02:23

I'the like to thank Soapie for his comprehensive, articulate analyses of the major problems associated with Disaster Relief and Recovery DRR) programs here, and for his discussion of the underlying problems. The only additional information I can provide is that there are now several donor-funded projects focusing on working with local communities to develop more comprehensive DRR plans, to provide the national and local governments with improved digital mapping information, and to allow local leaders to communicate more quickly with local residents about impending disasters and the necessity for evacuation. Much work however, remains to be done, and it's unlikely that the poorer "squatter" communities, which are often built in danger zones, will be relocated any time soon.

As part of a project in which I was involved for a while, I worked with some of the Urban Planning professors at UP Diliman, some of whom are highly skilled. The ex-Department Chair had earned her Ph. The. In the UK and had taught / lectured all over Europe. Historically, she told me, political concerns, corruption and pure greed had trumped the land use plans developed by these competent professionals, with the result that effective zoning, and the protection of flood plains, were effectively ignored and the paving over the natural drainage locations continued unchecked. As has been true historically here, politicians' venality and obsession with short-term payoffs trumped national interest every time. As the frequency and severity of disasters increases however, this may be changing.

In poorer, more rural areas, as Soapie has indicated, the resistance of subsistence farmers and fisherfolk to avoid building ramshackle dwellings in the middle of flood plains relates to livelihood. For these populations, living at or below the poverty line, long-term plans are a luxury for wealthier people. The government, both in the cities and the rural areas is reluctant, and often unable, to remove squatters due both to the social unrest that such displacement causes and because in most cases there's no other place for them to go. Mindanao State University in Marawi has an enormous squatter community on its grounds and the administration is powerless to destroy it. The same is true of UP Diliman and, in a smaller way, in every major town and city in the country. Further, "informal settlers" do have some rights and protections under national law and cannot be summarily kicked off of the land on which they have established homes and / or businesses.

In terms of sheer numbers, the situation worsens year by year as poorer people have more children than better educated, wealthier segments of the population. The poor here have little access to family planning information, to birth control and to education, so the potential for human tragedy in the case of disasters increases together with a growing governmental capability for providing effective DRR services. In a sense then, many of the underlying causes are self-perpetuating.

Soapie, I did respond to your PM and sent you an email address which would allow us to continue the discussion.

GE.

Dg8787

12-25-17, 04:32

And the electric and water utilities have been exploited by "syndicates." The redtape in dealing with Meralco and Maynilad Water--being able to show that you have a legal residence there, that you can provide proof of income to pay the bill regularly, and so on--often makes it attractive to get water and electricity from the syndicate. These private parties get an electrical service "drop" from Meralco, and then sublet electric service to the local residents--at elevated prices. Often squatters are "renting" from other "professional squatters." These are people with money who own property and live elsewhere but have established squatter claims, hold homes inside the squatter settlement, and then rent them to poor familes who are truly poor and landless. I have been shown squatter areas even on the campus of the University of the Philippines in Quezon City. I have a friend employed in a professional position at UP who rents from a professional squatter who has established apartments on the campus. He lives in fear that he, his wife, and twin daughters could be evicted if the university chooses to dislodge the professional squatter's claim.

I was once invited to observe as squatter families from alongside Diliman Creek near Tomas Morato Avenue in Quezon City were being relocated to a new housing development being bulit elsewhere in QC by Habitat for Humanity. The PNP provided buses to transport the people and a handful of deuce-and-a-half military trucks to transport their belongings. Diliman Creek in this area is like a gorge--which occasionally floods over its banks--and many of these homes were perched on ledges on the sidewalls of the gorge. But a protest broke out in which those who were relocating were blocked from moving their belongings to the trucks. The protesters were primarily "professional squatters" for whom the relocation represented a loss of income when these people moved out of the homes owned by the professionals. Eventually the police arrived and created a path out through the blockade. Some of the resistance, however, is from poor squatters who have established lean livelihoods as street vendors, tricycle drivers, or recycling scavengers and fear they will be unable to find new livelihood elsewhere. Others simply don't want to be separated from family and friends from their home provinces who live nearby.

In 2009 Typhoon Ondoy created dangerously high water in the Agno River in Benguet and Pangasinan Provinces. In order to protect several dams from breaching, including the huge San Roque Dam, the authorities decided on short notice to open the flood gates to release pressure on the dams. Unfortunately, there were weak or non-existent systems to warn about flooding downriver. Hundreds of people drowned downriver in Pangasinan Province, most of them squatters living precariously in the river flood plain. Sometimes life is very cheap in the Philippines.It is great to read some real knowledgeable detailed information here from you and from GE too.

A while back a girl living in Hensonville visited my hotel room in AC for LT. After the first session she asked for partial payment so she could go pay for her electric and water bill and she would come back. I said no problem, as a matter of fact we can go together to SM Mall, get a bite to eat and you can pay your bill at Hyper-mart. I asked her if she had the billing statements with her? She gave me this puzzled look and said she would go pay and come back. I thought it was odd that the amounts ended in zeros. She tried to explain to me that a number of homes were on the same billing, which I didn't understand nor could I understand why she was so scared to pay later. She had the look of dealing with the mafia! She went to pay and came back.

Another girl had once told me her E and W Bill was too high. I asked her what does the meter reading show on the bill? She looked at me like I was a space alien!

Soapy, thanks for the education, it really puts it in context what some of the things the poor have to go through. 5/6 is another killer! Kawawa.

Soapy Smith

12-25-17, 11:57

Soapie, I did respond to your PM and sent you an email address which would allow us to continue the discussion. GE.I got your reply, then got buried in last minute Christmas shopping. I will email in a day or so. Soapy.

Soapy Smith

12-25-17, 12:32

5/6 is another killer! Kawawa.5/6, for those who haven't heard of it, is a loan structure in which the borrower pays back six pesos for every five borrowed. Considering how short the loan term often is, those rates are truly usurious. These 5/6 systems are very widely accepted, and people sometimes use them when they want to avoid pawning personal property. I know these debts sometimes go unpaid, and one typical default is to simply return to the province. Barring lethal enforcement, these unpaid debts must put a lot of strain on relationships in the community, especially because urban poor communities usually have multiple neighbor and familial connections to most of the provinces.

I've also observed some informal lending in which one person has capital to invest in loans, but employs intermediaries who have time on their hands and know people in the poor community better. The intermediary hands out loans with the investor's money under 5/6 terms to people they know and trust. The intermediary then becomes a collection agent and gets a cut of the interest repayment. But when a loan is defaulted, the intermediary is also on the hook for the debt. Since the intermediary's leverage is based entirely on personal trust that comes from knowing the borrowers and their families and province mates, these systems probably create even more stress in the community than direct 5/6 loans.

Chocha Monger

12-25-17, 23:13

True but the poverty keeps the supply of cut price hookers huge. The challenge is not on the supply side but on what to do with the supply.A huge supply of cut-price hookers only exists in the bargain bin segment of the market. You can find an ample supply of readily available street meats in the 200-500 pisos range; but what you save on price you spend on medical fees, antibiotics, antiretroviral drugs, and delousing.

Apart from the discount street-meat markets, prices have continued to rise for online freelancers, bar girls, and knock shops. As for what to do with the growing supply of street meats for bareback consumption, the government may apply the same methods currently employed to cull the large population of drug addicts and dealers. Public health experts predicted that a tsunami of AIDS would hit the Philippines, and the rising number of infected Filipinos confirms their concerns. Within a decade, the virus will overwhelm an already overburdened public health system and the elite will demand draconian measures.

As automation reduces the need for OFWs abroad and wealthy countries tighten immigration restrictions, shrinking revenue from OFW remittances and growing unemployment will increase the number of Pinays engaging in risky survival sex further fueling the HIV epidemic. The desperation of poverty will only increase as the poor feel the wrath of more intense typhoons, droughts, declining fisheries, soil erosion, and environmental pollution. However, mongers from more fortunate countries will still be able to fly in for a week or two and shoot their loads into some penurious puss before skedaddling back to the safety and comfort of the developed world. The downside is that they will have a somewhat greater risk of returning home with something incurable.

PedroMorales

12-26-17, 12:47

A huge supply of cut-price hookers only exists in the bargain bin segment of the market. You can find an ample supply of readily available street meats in the 200-500 pisos range; but what you save on price you spend on medical fees, antibiotics, antiretroviral drugs, and delousing.

Apart from the discount street-meat markets, prices have continued to rise for online freelancers, bar girls, and knock shops. As for what to do with the growing supply of street meats for bareback consumption, the government may apply the same methods currently employed to cull the large population of drug addicts and dealers. Public health experts predicted that a tsunami of AIDS would hit the Philippines, and the rising number of infected Filipinos confirms their concerns. Within a decade, the virus will overwhelm an already overburdened public health system and the elite will demand draconian measures..Although I admire your posts, laced as they are with wit and with experience, I have to pull you up on some things. Chief of these is the differentiation between street meat and packaged meat or, if you prefer, between the low and higher end of the markets. Most of these women come from the same backgrounds and I have known individual women who have flitted between all sections: call out, go go, bar girl, mall girl and street walker. . Some have better business sense than others and others are simply losers headed for the slag heap, the sort of crazies one sees wandering around Pattaya and Field and who get bits of rice and what not given to them by bar girls.

If one is sober, one can avoid the worst traps. On my last night in Angeles, I gave two friends I was banging about 50 condoms for future use. One of them, expecting her third child, gave them to her friend as she simply couldn't be bothered. As the three of us lay in bed, I asked the other, the one I liked, what her dreams and hopes were. They were less than modest and quite sad: to get back to see her daughter, to get an education and to get a semblance of a life.

I gave the hopeless one a bag as a tip (they were sharing one bag and one phone) but the other told me she would sell the bag for sure.

She rented a place for 2 k a month and bought charcoal to cook outdoors. They visited me mostly for handouts and would have no more than 12 pesos between them. The other, who lived with her daughter and two kids would gamble anything she was given and her kids would wander around half naked and always hungry. HIV was the least of her concerns.

I banged lots of bar girls too. One of them, in another double act, insisted on condoms.

Although there is good information in these pages, it is important to realise we will never get into their mind set. We go to the hospital to get our STIs sorted out. They don't.

The Philippines should have had a huge HIV outbreak years ago what with its sailors and armies of working girls. My own suspicion is it has it but it is unseen. Fool here who talk about tapping Filipinas are all drinking for the same well, the well where the plague probably is. Mot respectable Filipinas would not touch us with a 40 ft poll as they have their own ambitions and plans which do not involve renting 2 k apartments in Angeles.

On a different note, I like listening to African Catholic choirs. Big Mike Tyson and pretty ladies and nuns sing to Jesus, backed by simple instruments. I would imagine the big black lads would be none too happy with anyone, the priest excepted, messing with the ladies. The same would apply to very large swathes of Filipinas.

I also use PinayLove etc a lot and I make the most outrageous suggestions to the women I chat to. It is seldom a problem with them.

The Philippines is, in essence, a business model of the various families and Chinese gangs who run it. The women we screw are only of importance in so far as they pass money up the chain.

Chocha Monger

12-26-17, 22:53

Although I admire your posts, laced as they are with wit and with experience, I have to pull you up on some things. Chief of these is the differentiation between street meat and packaged meat or, if you prefer, between the low and higher end of the markets. Most of these women come from the same backgrounds and I have known individual women who have flitted between all sections: call out, go go, bar girl, mall girl and street walker. . Some have better business sense than others and others are simply losers headed for the slag heap, the sort of crazies one sees wandering around Pattaya and Field and who get bits of rice and what not given to them by bar girls ....You make very good points. I am not disputing the source of street meats and packaged meat being the same, either one can be farm fresh from rural areas or urban farmed in a squatter camp. Some even work as salesgirls at Watsons and other mall retailers on six months contracts and then sell puss for the other six months of the year until they are eligible for another six-month contract with the store. The six-month contract employment cycle is the result of employers circumventing labor laws with temporary contract labor. It allows large corporations to avoid paying benefits to long-term employees who qualify after six months of work.

However, while all meats come from the same source and the same meat may be offered for consumption to mongers unpackaged at some times and packaged during others. The unpackaged meat undergoes no inspection process. It is essentially "hot meat" on offer from street vendors. Packaged meat on offer in bars at least undergo initial and periodic inspections at social hygiene centers before being certified safe for public consumption. Of course, the inspection process does not rule out every possible illness that mongers may contract from eating meat but it lowers the risk somewhat compared to the unpackaged street variety.

Of course, I am aware that some meat distribution centers are unethical and allow tainted meat to be sold to tourists. However, social hygiene centers have resources to clean up tainted meat detected during the inspection process. As you pointed out, on their own, the girls would never get their STIs sorted out at the hospital. Since the ones working in bars are obligated to undergo inspection, they are more likely to discover their STIs and receive treatment for it. Social hygiene clinics stock a variety of free and subsidized antibiotics for most of the common STIs. Therefore, they are likely to leave the clinic already started on a treatment plan with a supply of medication. The fact that they have to return for re-inspection before being cleared to continue working at the bar provides some motivation to take the medication. Meanwhile, she may work through her sick leave from the bar by selling her "hot meat" unpackaged on the street or in discos. Hence, the consumer of unpackaged hot street-meat may be at greater risk of consuming meat that does not agree with his health.

A monger has the right to consume meat how he likes it served, his health and his risks. Some say, the dirtier the better. They take pride in hunting the roughest meanest street meats and pounding them raw in all holes, in the most squalid roach motels down dark alleys. That is fine too. No one comes to the Philippines expecting high levels of sanitation and a disease-free population. However, a betting man would say that the odds of boarding one's flight home with a case of crotch crickets are much greater after riding feral alley cats compared to declawed bar felines.

Mogwai

12-27-17, 09:26

BrainDrain

12-27-17, 22:35

Soapy Smith

12-27-17, 23:24

As automation reduces the need for OFWs abroad and wealthy countries tighten immigration restrictions, shrinking revenue from OFW remittances and growing unemployment will increase the number of Pinays engaging in risky survival sex further fueling the HIV epidemic. The desperation of poverty will only increase as the poor feel the wrath of more intense typhoons, droughts, declining fisheries, soil erosion, and environmental pollution. However, mongers from more fortunate countries will still be able to fly in for a week or two and shoot their loads into some penurious puss before skedaddling back to the safety and comfort of the developed world. The downside is that they will have a somewhat greater risk of returning home with something incurable.I think you could bring the argument one step further. If wealthier countries' immigration restrictions include building walls to keep out undesirable foreigners, and if the under-developed world contains all these disease-ridden temptations, why not propose a two-way wall to keep desperate nationals at home and away from the threat of diseased pussies?

Considering how imaginative your writing is, haven't you ever considered that your talents are wasted here? I mean, you could be getting paid for this stuff. With just a little redirection, your ideas would seem to have a particularly good fit at Breitbart News:

http://www.breitbart.com/

Another outlet with high potential for a creative African-American writer is Infowars:

https://www.infowars.com/

In order to make your writing more accessible to these outlets' readers, however, you might need to minimize the plot twists and unpack your dense paragraphs. Two rules of thumb: one idea per paragraph; one basic conspiracy per article.

Soapy Smith

12-27-17, 23:51

Brain trust, do I introduce them? BD.At my advanced age I make no claims about brain power or trustworthiness, but, yes.

Like me, I suspect many others in the forum wish they'd had the good sense to sew more wild oats in their 20's and 30's. Many would argue that we ought not knock marriage until we've tried it. But if this is so, the same should be said for sewing wild oats. And if you need to put them in proper sequence, it seems to make sense to sew wild oats before marriage. Then, if marriage doesn't work, a later return to sewing oats benefits from lessons learned in the earlier go-round.

Just give him lots of advice, introduce him to this forum and some of its members. And maybe consider changing your username to conceal some of your incriminating posts. Especially, impress on him the strong desire of young Pinays to make babies with Westerners, and caution him to avoid doing it.

For the benefit of young men like your cousin, I have for some time wondered that, aside from semi-permanent vasectomies, the condom is the only readily available means of male contraception. I read a while back that there are some chemical approaches still in development, but none of them are anywhere near approval for widespread use. For some time I've wondered why there isn't a small valve that could be implanted under the skin on each vas deferens. At initial implantation the valves are set at the "off" position. Then the guy goes in every couple years to have the valves flushed and make sure the swimmers can still get through. When the guy is ready to have kids and take a hiatus from sewing wild oats, the doctor sets the valves to the "on" position. Maybe we need a forum on male contraception, or is there one?

Dg8787

12-28-17, 00:53

Soapy Smith

12-28-17, 01:01

Personally I compartmentize my life and keep it separate. I would tell her he is taken or gay.Also good advice, but if she's already seen him on your FB page, compartmentalization may be difficult if she "friends" him on her own. Then your recourse is to advise him one way or the other offline.

Dg8787

12-28-17, 01:09

Also good advice, but if she's already seen him on your FB page, compartmentalization may be difficult if she "friends" him on her own. Then your recourse is to advise him one way or the other offline.Very true. That's why I don't accept many friend requests. I just use messenger. Some have asked me why I have not accepted their request and I tell them I have a very jealous friend! That has worked. Otherwise I would have a separate page.

It is strange when I see some of my friends who have accepted the girls friend request. Ugh, I might get exposed as the monger I am!

PedroMorales

12-28-17, 01:29

Chocha Monger is an entertaining writer and his posts contain mire than granules of truth and some words of warning. It does not matter if he is right or wrong as long as he helps us make informed choices.

One such choice has to be not to let these women into our private lives, virtual or other, unless we want to take things a lot further with them. I will be letting female relatives take some photos from my photo albums over the next days but I must first remove photos from it of at least one Thai working girl, one Pinay working girl and one Pinay not so freebie. All three women were nice and wedding bells could have rung in all three cases but thankfully I knew for whom the bells would toll. I dearly liked all three of them but outside a very small group, I never mention them. The Thai used to phone me up at all hours, the freebie sobbed inconsolably when I said I would not import her as a maid / bonk and the Pinay working girl I cut loose after about a week. Though I hope life is going well for them and the many others I have bonked, I doubt it. Though I don't mind looking at them in my photo album, I'd hate them to pop up on my FB.

Eszpresszo

12-28-17, 02:41

At my advanced age I make no claims about brain power or trustworthiness, but, yes.

For the benefit of young men like your cousin, I have for some time wondered that, aside from semi-permanent vasectomies, the condom is the only readily available means of male contraception. I read a while back that there are some chemical approaches still in development, but none of them are anywhere near approval for widespread use. For some time I've wondered why there isn't a small valve that could be implanted under the skin on each vas deferens. At initial implantation the valves are set at the "off" position. Then the guy goes in every couple years to have the valves flushed and make sure the swimmers can still get through. When the guy is ready to have kids and take a hiatus from sewing wild oats, the doctor sets the valves to the "on" position. Maybe we need a forum on male contraception, or is there one?What you are proposing, was in fact developed decades ago. They were a pair of 14 k gold, miniature valves. They were same thing as the shutoff valve to your water supply outside your home. There was a tiny key that could turn the valves on and off from an access port at the surface of your skin. They were pending FDA approval. But, I never saw anything about them since I first read about them (in the 70's).

GoodEnough

12-28-17, 05:21

I think you could bring the argument one step further. If wealthier countries' immigration restrictions include building walls to keep out undesirable foreigners, and if the under-developed world contains all these disease-ridden temptations, why not propose a two-way wall to keep desperate nationals at home and away from the threat of diseased pussies?

Considering how imaginative your writing is, haven't you ever considered that your talents are wasted here? I mean, you could be getting paid for this stuff. With just a little redirection, your ideas would seem to have a particularly good fit at Breitbart News:

http://www.breitbart.com/

Another outlet with high potential for a creative African-American writer is Infowars:

https://www.infowars.com/

In order to make your writing more accessible to these outlets' readers, however, you might need to minimize the plot twists and unpack your dense paragraphs. Two rules of thumb: one idea per paragraph; one basic conspiracy per article.All excellent suggestions. However, I'the suggest that prior to taking these steps, he take a least a basic course in logic: the premise that technology is making exponential gains so the the number of sex workers in poor countries will increase is so filled with flaws that it almost sounds as if Trump could have said it. On the other hand, writing for Breitbart probably doesn't require much in the way of formal logic, so perhaps my suggestion is superfluous.

GE.

Soapy Smith

12-28-17, 06:40

What you are proposing, was in fact developed decades ago. They were a pair of 14 k gold, miniature valves. They were same thing as the shutoff valve to your water supply outside your home. There was a tiny key that could turn the valves on and off from an access port at the surface of your skin. They were pending FDA approval. But, I never saw anything about them since I first read about them (in the 70's).Very interesting. Some considerations that might have deterred this earlier model: cost-prohibitive; abrasion from outside, such as from clothes, could prove painful against the testes; the outer access port could be potentially abrasive externally, such as against a partner's mouth. Just saying.

But the idea would seem more practical today given the availability of synthetic substitutes for gold and 3-D printers that can quickly work up proto-types.

Bushes

12-28-17, 11:05

Hmm, America first?

Anyway, now that American companies have to pay less taxes they can spend more money on charity programs for Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.
P.S. Do not forget that Americans in Puerto Rico ...are homeless and without electric power and safe drinking water.IMHO, it is pretty much situation normal in PR. Things have not changed much and most likely will not for the foreseeable future. It is just a money pit.

Mr Enternational

12-28-17, 13:23

What you are proposing, was in fact developed decades ago. They were a pair of 14 k gold, miniature valves. They were same thing as the shutoff valve to your water supply outside your home. There was a tiny key that could turn the valves on and off from an access port at the surface of your skin. They were pending FDA approval. But, I never saw anything about them since I first read about them (in the 70's).I saw this video last year:

A German carpenter says his invention will switch men to a new contraception alternative.

Clemens Bimek says he discovered how to insert a valve that can allow men to turn the flow of sperm on and off — all by flipping a switch located under the skin of the scrotum.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/german-carpenter-invents-contraception-switch-men-article-1.2488832

Bushes

12-28-17, 14:57

However, all girls report the fam losing almost everything they owed, either from flooding sweeping away contents, or being evacuated and thieves stealing the contents.The latter happens in the US, a point not usually reported. Those communities that can, hire security to cordon off public streets and set up perimeters. There are those that resort to S&W security.

This happened just a couple months ago.

With the advent of security cameras, many US neighbors were caught taking neighbor's packages over the holidays. Some UPS and FedEx trucks were followed. Famously, a guy in Texas shot a guy taking a package and trying to turn in into a home evasion. In the PI, where people have even less, this should be no surprise. An opportunistic thief is nothing new. That is why many legal systems forbid entrapment.

Chocha Monger

12-29-17, 02:06

What do I do when one of my contacts wants to meet one of MY cousins.

After she has been scrolling my FB feed, she sets her eyes on a single young western male and wants to 'meet' him.

He's 26. He's a younger cousin. He's between gfs. His type are the reason that I have to travel to Philippines to score with 21 year olds. It brought home to me how wrong it must be for a middle-aged guy like me to bring a 21 GF back to my country.

He's in his home country, she is in Philippines.

Brain trust, do I introduce them?

BD.Let your cousin know what she is. Inform him of her intentions. If he is interested, give him thorough training and make sure, he understands that he is not to attach himself to the ride. The day before he arrives, take her for a full STI screening and HIV test. You will need to give her a 3-month birth control injection at least a month ahead of time. Then let the fun begin and get it on video.

At 26 years of age, he is at his peak ability to deliver copious double cream pies to that young hungry snatch, but at 60-plus he will barely be able to churn up some skim milk powder to sprinkle on her clam. Now is the time for him to enjoy youthful vigorous fucking with an exotic Flip fuck monster without the need for Viagra or prosthetic cock implants. Let him get it out of his system now rather than as a potbellied oldie monger with sexy man delusions.

D Cups

01-06-18, 17:05

I don't recall if you are American or not, GE, but if you are have you checked your 401 K lately?

Cheers.

almost sounds as if Trump could have said it.

GE.

Chocha Monger

01-17-18, 02:55

IMHO, it is pretty much situation normal in PR. Things have not changed much and most likely will not for the foreseeable future. It is just a money pit.It is a money pit, but so is Filipina prostitute vagina. The main difference is that individually mongers will probably throw less than a dollar in federal taxes at PR annually, but over the same period, they will throw thousands of dollars at the prostitute vagina.

Bushes

01-17-18, 17:57

Yep! Much better returns with the later! Especially Filipina ones! They actually appreciate the donations! ISMFITP.

It is a money pit, but so is Filipina prostitute vagina. The main difference is that individually mongers will probably throw less than a dollar in federal taxes at PR annually, but over the same period, they will throw thousands of dollars at the prostitute vagina.

CallSign Papa

01-20-18, 08:31

Clemens Bimek says he discovered how to insert a valve that can allow men to turn the flow of sperm on and off all by flipping a switch located under the skin of the scrotum.This is all well and good but until they can invent a valve that stops me getting diseases too, I think I'll stick with the Okamoto.

PedroMorales

01-20-18, 10:06

I am thinking of taking a hooker home to see her daughter and family for a week or so. The idea is I play the shining knight, bus trip of x hours, let her hang out in the mango swamp she grew up in, then bring her back to Cum Central and give her an industrial scale drilling.

I have half tried things liker this before but without success as the "lady" was too hardened into her chosen career as cum receptacle. It'd be a nice thing to do but is it worth doing?

My own interest in this stems from the fact I am the nicest guy anyone knows and I like to spread good cheer. I also have less to talk about with one of these ladies than I would with an average taxi driver.

What would Jesus do? Bring her home, let her enjoy, for a while, her family under the coconut tree and then back to work on Monday.

Eszpresszo

01-20-18, 15:49

I saw this video last year:

A German carpenter says his invention will switch men to a new contraception alternative.

Clemens Bimek says he discovered how to insert a valve that can allow men to turn the flow of sperm on and off all by flipping a switch located under the skin of the scrotum.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/german-carpenter-invents-contraception-switch-men-article-1.2488832But that idea was already thought up back in the 70's. Prototypes were made.

Harry2

02-10-18, 22:46

How are Filipino girls with BDSM stuff? I want to head over and play around with a girl, use her like a slave etc. Nothing too harsh.

Is this a big taboo or is it possible?

Wicked Roger

02-11-18, 01:38

How are Filipino girls with BDSM stuff? I want to head over and play around with a girl, use her like a slave etc. Nothing too harsh.

Is this a big taboo or is it possible?Depends on the girl and how you bring the subject up. I know some who love BDSM and even a dominatrix who earns lots shoving toys up westerners backside and whipping them. So depends who you find. I have found many willing and some into seriously heavy kinky stuff also but maybe am a lucky boring old fart LOL.

Chocha Monger

02-11-18, 08:41

Depends on the girl and how you bring the subject up. I know some who love BDSM and even a dominatrix who earns lots shoving toys up westerners backside and whipping them. So depends who you find. I have found many willing and some into seriously heavy kinky stuff also but maybe am a lucky boring old fart LOL.Many Pinays would be thrilled to whip the tar out of his hide until he shoots his load. They are naturally inclined to play the dominant female and submissive male slave role. Foreigners usually discover this little secret after marrying them. They are quite active in the cuck and bull scene, and their husbands enjoy performing clean up. He will not have any problems finding one willing to put a collar and leash on him. Some years ago, there was one fella with a bag of tools paying the girls to cuff and peg him. From what he said, none of them batted an eye when asked to do the strap-on and have a go at him.

Harry2

02-12-18, 23:25

Many Pinays would be thrilled to whip the tar out of his hide until he shoots his load. They are naturally inclined to play the dominant female and submissive male slave role. Foreigners usually discover this little secret after marrying them. They are quite active in the cuck and bull scene, and their husbands enjoy performing clean up. He will not have any problems finding one willing to put a collar and leash on him. Some years ago, there was one fella with a bag of tools paying the girls to cuff and peg him. From what he said, none of them batted an eye when asked to do the strap-on and have a go at him.I'd prefer it the other way around.

Mua Tur

02-13-18, 04:50

.....They are naturally inclined to play the dominant female and submissive male slave role. ......... He will not have any problems finding one willing to put a collar and leash on him. Some years ago, there was one fella with a bag of tools paying the girls to cuff and peg him. From what he said, none of them batted an eye when asked to do the strap-on and have a go at him.That's true. Once a girl take me a short time hotel beside Edsa LRT and surprisingly I saw the room is equipped with chain and cuff and more others for BDSM. My surprised tone never change the attitude of the girl. With out an eye blink she admitted these are used what for.

Bushes

02-13-18, 18:57

So who was the Dom?

That's true. Once a girl take me a short time hotel beside Edsa LRT and surprisingly I saw the room is equipped with chain and cuff and more others for BDSM. My surprised tone never change the attitude of the girl. With out an eye blink she admitted these are used what for.

Transporter

02-13-18, 21:45

So who was the Dom?You can join clubs.

There are a handfull of underground clubs.

They usually advertise maybe once a year when they have there annual events, but if you are not in the circle, the best way to get in would be to go on FB.

Search for FB groups or anything to do with Dom Sub S&M and anything you can think of.

Mua Tur

02-14-18, 03:32

So who was the Dom?If you mean dom in usual sex than nothing to explain. It was normal exchanging of dom rule from both side since that's gone for hour (s) long in every sex.

I m not into BDSM things. So most of the equips were remained unused.

Chocha Monger

02-14-18, 03:34

That's true. Once a girl take me a short time hotel beside Edsa LRT and surprisingly I saw the room is equipped with chain and cuff and more others for BDSM. My surprised tone never change the attitude of the girl. Without an eye blink she admitted these are used what for.For a first timer, it must have been simultaneously frightening and arousing to see the room equipped with chains, shackles and racks. Hopefully, you both made good use of the equipment.

Transporter

02-14-18, 20:52

How are Filipino girls with BDSM stuff? I want to head over and play around with a girl, use her like a slave etc. Nothing too harsh.

Is this a big taboo or is it possible?Just gave this a little more thought.

Straight out way is just to advertise and chat with some of the responses (craigslist, etc).

If not you need to get with one of the underground groups, and the easiest way if you don't know any is to just go on forums or craigslist and answer an add for BDSM, make friends, and see if you can be invited to events.

Wicked Roger

02-15-18, 01:50

Just gave this a little more thought.

Straight out way is just to advertise and chat with some of the responses (craigslist, etc).

If not you need to get with one of the underground groups, and the easiest way if you don't know any is to just go on forums or craigslist and answer an add for BDSM, make friends, and see if you can be invited to events.Very good advice Transporter but on FB can be difficult to find at times.

Mua Tur

02-15-18, 09:04

For a first timer, it must have been simultaneously frightening and arousing to see the room equipped with chains, shackles and racks. Hopefully, you both made good use of the equipment.Certainly it could be scary. But since I know my girl pretty long time. An IT professional serves for Chain stores. For shortage of time we arranged the meeting in Pasay while she was in service; spared some time for me in short time hotel. My trust on her didn't allowed me to be frighten even for a moment.

But ha ha we created some new position using the equips because none of us were BDSM things.

Harry2

02-16-18, 01:17

Just gave this a little more thought.

Straight out way is just to advertise and chat with some of the responses (craigslist, etc).

If not you need to get with one of the underground groups, and the easiest way if you don't know any is to just go on forums or craigslist and answer an add for BDSM, make friends, and see if you can be invited to events.Thanks for the response. So I shouldn't try anything with regular girls? Do Philippines know how kinky Westerners can get?

Bushes

02-16-18, 14:13

Yes Mua Tur. But you did understand the term! I am not into it so I am sometimes caught off guard with some of the things the girls say. Last thing you want is to have the big head spinning while the little head and working.

If you mean dom in usual sex than nothing to explain. It was normal exchanging of dom rule from both side since that's gone for hour (s) long in every sex.

I m not into BDSM things. So most of the equips were remained unused.

Ogman

02-24-18, 09:48

Greetings Cheongsters and Mongers!

I will be coming back to the Metro Manila area soon and have always enjoyed the Makati bar scene. However, I have gotten used to the ease of online searching and the ability to schedule midday meet up with professionals. Are there good, reliable websites (or even apps now) that you can search which provide pictures, services, prices and general locations (map) of local service providers so you can text to arrange a midday delight with a lady masseuse or ladies with searchable skills or talents?

X Man

03-12-18, 08:27

Blast from the past Eagles & Witchy Woman.

2 years ago.

Chocha Monger

03-25-18, 01:49

The first concerns a true-life story that I heard from a friend. A Filipino-American lady returned recently to the country to join in the jubilee celebration of her high school class. She was astounded to find many of her fellow jubilarians still married and apparently happy with their one-and-only spouse. Some have been married for over 40 years.

"One husband?" she exclaimed in wonder to her former schoolmates. "Only one?" Then she related that in her case, she has been married already four times. Then she proudly joked that she killed and buried two of them.

http://www.manilatimes.net/whats-next-will-marriage-become-a-trophy/388194/

Tagalog2016

03-27-18, 09:06

"One husband?" she exclaimed in wonder to her former schoolmates. "Only one?" The sister of my GF once asked me, if I can introduce her to my friends so that to get romance with someone of them.

"Why?" I asked. "You have a husband and a son. And you seem to be a good happy family. Why do you want to cheat on your husband?

"Because we don't have serious relationship with him," she wrinkled her forehead a bit.

"Huh, you are married, and you don't have serious relationship? Do you know, that westerners are mostly interested in sex with Filipinas? They don't need any serious relationship."

"That's ok," she gazed at me with innocent eyes. "If he will prove his love to me, we can be lovers. My husband is not a problem for that."

Later on, I told my GF about this story, but she didn't look surprised.

"Well, you know, that all pinays want to have a poriner. Perhaps she is a bit envy of me," she reasoned. "But I know her well, she is a good girl. I am sure, she was not serious."

"Why she is envy of you?

"Because. Because you are a good guy. I told you, she was not serious!" she began to get irritated.

"But why every pinay wants to have a foreigner? There are so many young handsome pinoys. You fuck with them, you marry them, but still it's not enough, and you want to have western BF in addition to that."

"What are you hinting at?

"I am not hinting. I am just asking you to clarify me your way of thinking."

"No!" she exploded. "You are hinting, that all we are a gold diggers!

"I didn't say that. You can't explain yourself."

"Pisti ka!" she almost yelled at me.

"Pisti" means something like "fuck you". Filipinos sometimes say this phrase, when they have no arguments anymore. I said quietly "Layas" (get out of my place), and she left.

Later I received a text, where she apologized and explained, she had PMS, and that is why she exploded out of nowhere. She said, she will talk to her sister, since she considers her sister's thoughts awful. I didn't reply and just smiled.

D Cups

03-27-18, 14:16

"Pisti ka!" she almost yelled at me.

"Pisti" means something like "fuck you". Filipinos sometimes say this phrase, when they have no arguments anymore. I said quietly "Layas" (get out of my place), and she left.

Later I received a text, where she apologized and explained, she had PMS, and that is why she exploded out of nowhere. She said, she will talk to her sister, since she considers her sister's thoughts awful. I didn't reply and just smiled.Well this is better than tampo (the silent treatment). At least you know what she is thinking in that pretty little head.

Chocha Monger

03-28-18, 08:33

The sister of my GF once asked me, if I can introduce her to my friends so that to get romance with someone of them.

"Why?" I asked. "You have a husband and a son. And you seem to be a good happy family. Why do you want to cheat on your husband?

"Because we don't have serious relationship with him," she wrinkled her forehead a bit.

"Huh, you are married, and you don't have serious relationship? Do you know, that westerners are mostly interested in sex with Filipinas? They don't need any serious relationship."

"That's ok," she gazed at me with innocent eyes. "If he will prove his love to me, we can be lovers. My husband is not a problem for that."

Later on, I told my GF about this story, but she didn't look surprised..Sadly, many foreigners do not know that marriage is not a serious relationship for Pinays. Much to their dismay, many learn this after the wedding and a few kids. Pinays will spout their belief in the sanctity of a Catholic marriage fully intending to enjoy unlimited penises before the wedding cake is finished. Large numbers of the Pinays on dating sites are married but still trolling for strange cock. They always need more cock and more money. They do not know the meaning of enough!

The Pinoy husband may have well been okay with it, as long as the foreign boyfriend played the walking-ATM and his wife ignored his young lovers in return. The only person getting a bad deal would be the foreign boyfriend, as he would have been fleeced and possibly extorted.

One old walking-ATM from LA (Lower Alabama), USA, was in the taxi queue at Manila Intl Airport bragging about the salvaged Pinay he married with three sons from a Filipino. He said, none of the boys finished school or worked in the Philippines. However, he expected them to work on his farm planting peanuts, sweet potatoes, and cotton. His Pinay did not accompany him on the trip to visit the family because she was busy working as a janitor back in Alabama to save enough to bring her sons over. It was funny that he actually believed that her sons were coming to America to work as field hands under hot southern sun. That would not last very long once they saw that most Americans refuse to do unskilled poorly paid agricultural labor. Especially, when they discover they cannot afford nice cars and big sexy white women on field hand wages.

It is quite common for Pinays to call and email back home complaining that their Kano fooled them, as he is not as rich and high in social status as they believed. They may have crawled out of a bamboo love shack in the mountains of Bohol or Samar, but in America, they refuse to settle for a doublewide trailer. Once they see the McMansions with four-car garages, they start scheming for a husband upgrade. They always want more.

Goferring

03-28-18, 10:33

Moved to correct Board

BrainDrain

04-02-18, 04:25

Madossa

04-03-18, 11:28

Anyone here in the Phil Forum having experience with a Long Term Relation with 2 Phil girls? I will be in Makati long term soon and I am looking for advice how to find.

Wicked Roger

04-03-18, 17:43

Anyone here in the Phil Forum having experience with a Long Term Relation with 2 Phil girls? I will be in Makati long term soon and I am looking for advice how to find.Depends how long you mean by LTR (weeks, months etc). And the 2 pinays are to be with you all the time, so in bed, in mall etc yes? I have had times with 2 pinays for a few weeks (and taking some out the Philippines for holidays) as well some off threesome type / regular arrangements but depends what you mean LTR (fun or serious stuff?

PM me if you like.

Tagalog2016

04-03-18, 19:18

Anyone here in the Phil Forum having experience with a Long Term Relation with 2 Phil girls? I will be in Makati long term soon and I am looking for advice how to find.Long term relationship with pinays almost never finish with happy end, and that is twice as much more true towards relationships with two girls simultaneously. Sooner or later you will lose control over situation, which may cause big problems for you.

Besides the fact, that both girls will most probably treat you like a cash cow, you will find out eventually that they will become more and more demanding in regards of your time and attention. They will desperately fight for their walking ATM, so that not to let other competitors to leech off you. It could be misinterpreted as a jealousy, but that is something different, like a selfish greedy desire to drain all your blood alone. Pinays are extremely vengeful, and being mostly narrow-minded, they are capable to do crazy and cruel deeds out of their "jealousy".

That said, they don't mind to scam and cheat you at the same time, as they don't consider, that both parties in relationship are equal. They think, they can do whatever they wish to do, while you must be loyal, honest, generous and supportive.

Simultaneous short time or un-serious relationship do work, but you should clearly understand where is a red line, which you shouldn't cross no matter what, if you don't want to get into trouble.

Sxxxx

04-03-18, 23:53

Long term relationship with pinays almost never finish with happy end ....................................Good one Tag and true. Admittedly negative side of Filipinas, but never the less true, what you say.

I avoid the negative side as best I can and partake of the positives, having a great time, every trip.

Yes, they are programmed at birth with those tendencies, you wrote about, and you will not be able to re-programme them. Best ST companions in the world, provided you know the "rules of engagement". I presume you, knowing the pitfalls, have fun in Phils too?

Sammon

04-04-18, 03:24

Do filipinas expect their foreigner marriage to actually work? How much responsibility do they take when it fails?

I have been following a sweet 28 year old mother of 4 kids. Worked as a textile worker in AC and did some afterhours activity via dating sites. Met her a few times and we had good fun.

Later I'm invited to here wedding.

After the weeding while waiting for her USA visa, she visited me a few more times, the last time while she was pregnant just before she departed.

What is her life going to be like in the USA? Husband works most days, can't see her kids, just the new kids. I assume she still needs to remit money to support her girls to her previous non-married pinoy relationship.

Is her life just a train wreck or will it work?

I'm waiting to here from her when she's next back in AC.

BD.I know personally of three girls who got married to foreigners.

1. Girl with a son. Met her online and very sexy and wants to fuck constantly. Got married to a British guy and is still married to him. I am in touch with her constantly online. She likes to keep married through ups and downs through her husband constantly drinking and being cheap. Keep her at home all the time. Now she found a job and happy. For a while she wanted to go back but now she wants to stay married although there is a big age difference. They hardly go anywhere she says. Only friends she has is from work. Lives in a remote village in you. K.

2. Girl from mindanao who I had the pleasure deflowering. Got married to a you. K. Guy. Marriage lasted only 6 months. She though the guy was rich. But the guy lived in a ramshackle house and small farm. No money to anything. She practically froze every day she says. Now back home. Lost touch with her.

3. Girl from province. Met USA guy and got married and moved to California. Guy was abusive and expected her to do cooking and cleaning and in other words wanted a servant. She waited 2 years till she got the green card and left him. Now she is working and dating hoping for a better relationship.

To summarize it is hard to say how philippino- foreigner marriage will go.

Engine Driver

04-04-18, 04:09

Do filipinas expect their foreigner marriage to actually work? How much responsibility do they take when it fails?

I have been following a sweet 28 year old mother of 4 kids. Worked as a textile worker in AC and did some afterhours activity via dating sites. Met her a few times and we had good fun.

Later I'm invited to here wedding.

After the weeding while waiting for her USA visa, she visited me a few more times, the last time while she was pregnant just before she departed.

What is her life going to be like in the USA? Husband works most days, can't see her kids, just the new kids. I assume she still needs to remit money to support her girls to her previous non-married pinoy relationship.

Is her life just a train wreck or will it work?

I'm waiting to here from her when she's next back in AC.

BD.You've got to ask yourself, how could this union possibly succeed? Both go into the marriage without working through the consequences. Let's break it down into basic elements:

1. Age gap. He's usually around 20-30 years older and comes from a different generation. Such a large age gap puts him in a vulnerable position as she's young enough to keep looking.

2. Education and IQ. Her education standard is unlikely to be beyond elementary school and her IQ would be around 80-85 at best. It might be enough to have a reasonable conversation with a trike driver, but not enough for her prospective husband. She hasn't got a clue about geography, finance, economics, politics etc and virtually no general knowledge.

3. Family. For Filipinos, family comes first. She's going to miss her family more than she can imagine and is going to feel isolated. In some large western cities, there are sizeable Filipino populations, but in regional towns, she's going to be on her own.

4. Food. Having consumed rice for three meals a day, she is going to hate the food in the west, and he's going to hate filipino food. Compound this with isolation and loneliness, then her life is going to be miserable.

5. Social status and culture. How is she going to fit into his new social network? Everyone will know she is a hooker and this disadvantage is impossible to overcome.

6. Job prospects. Apart from menial work like cleaning, fruit picking or supermarket shelf stacking, what work can she do? Many western husbands don't want her to work so she can't become independent.

7. Wealth. Often he's not as wealthy as she imagined and unless he continues to be a walking ATM, he's of no use to her or her family.

I could keep going on, but you get the picture. Once she get's her permanent residency stamp, she's gone!

Mr Enternational

04-04-18, 04:12

To summarize it is hard to say how philippino- foreigner marriage will go.But we do know one thing, it is always the poriners fault when it doesn't go well!

Chocha Monger

04-04-18, 04:49

But we do know one thing, it is always the poriners fault when it doesn't go well!We also know that many end like Greek tragedies with one or both parties departing due to other than natural causes.

Tagalog2016

04-04-18, 08:32

Good one Tag and true. Admittedly negative side of Filipinas, but never the less true, what you say.

I avoid the negative side as best I can and partake of the positives, having a great time, every trip.

Yes, they are programmed at birth with those tendencies, you wrote about, and you will not be able to re-programme them. Best ST companions in the world, provided you know the "rules of engagement". I presume you, knowing the pitfalls, have fun in Phils too?Of course pinays can be fun, if you know and respect the rules of the game and have never come too far. And, yes, they have advantages. They have young flesh. They are easy going and childish, which sometimes can be considered as an advantage, since it can charge you with positive energy, given the right circumstances. They can be caring in the short run. They can be reasonably good pals, if you don't take them seriously, and enjoy to chitchat BS, or like someone to hear you out. But they should never be considered as real friends, though.

Also one and the same pinay can be seen from different angles. For one monger she may seem positive and funny girl, for other she may look stupid and annoying. And everyone has his truth.

Anyway, everything stated in the above-mentioned is relevant for short term relationship only. As time goes by, her true essence exposes more and more. In the long run, the majority of Pinays can be briefly and politely described as indecent lying mercenary women of easy virtue.

Some fellow mongers disagree, but first of all everyone should answer the following questions for himself to make sure we are talking about the same thing:

1. Who can be called a good girl? Is it just a prostitute, who honestly fulfilled her job in exchange of money? Or maybe only serious honest and loyal woman, who doesn't fuck for money and never cheat could be called a "good girl"?

2. What time frame do we take into consideration, when we make an assessment? If a girl was flawless within 3 days, is she a good girl? Or maybe we need more time for her to gain our confidence? Then how long? Month, year, or forever?

3. And finally, what about money? If a poor girl asks for some pesos, is it a crime? Where is the border between abuse and satisfying?

Madossa

04-04-18, 10:02

Depends how long you mean by LTR (weeks, months etc). And the 2 pinays are to be with you all the time, so in bed, in mall etc yes? I have had times with 2 pinays for a few weeks (and taking some out the Philippines for holidays) as well some off threesome type / regular arrangements but depends what you mean LTR (fun or serious stuff?

PM me if you like.Yeah, like months or years maybe, depends. I may retire to the Phil.

GoodEnough

04-04-18, 10:34

But we do know one thing, it is always the poriners fault when it doesn't go well!The assumption throughout this discussion is that foreigners tend to marry hookers. The discussions makes no mention of those of us who have stable, long—lasting marriages / relationships with women who have never seen the inside of a hooker bar and would be revolted at the thought of doing so. I know many, myself included, with such marriages to college-educated, smart, ambitious women who place their husbands first in their interior hierarchies of relationships. Maybe, just maybe, for those seeking such relationships it would be more productive and more satisfying not to start with a bar girl.

GE.

Tagalog2016

04-04-18, 12:09

The assumption throughout this discussion is that foreigners tend to marry hookers. The discussions makes no mention of those of us who have stable, longlasting marriages / relationships with women who have never seen the inside of a hooker bar and would be revolted at the thought of doing so. I know many, myself included, with such marriages to college-educated, smart, ambitious women who place their husbands first in their interior hierarchies of relationships. Maybe, just maybe, for those seeking such relationships it would be more productive and more satisfying not to start with a bar girl.

GE.I personally don't refer to prostitutes only, when I express my vision towards Pinays. However I think that most of Filipinas can be described as "pay for pleasure" girls, since the majority of them choose foreigners because of their wealth. It doesn't matter, whether she just spreads her legs in exchange of money, or pretends to be a good girl / loyal wife to gain material benefit from your side.

I believe, that your case is a rare exception, and she loves you and not your wallet in the first place, but in most cases that is not so.

Also I want to note, that classical model of family implies, that both parties are loyal and honest. When a husband is a monger, who is used to visit AC from time to time to fuck WG there, he should expect a similar behavior from his spouse as well. Maybe I am wrong, but so far I haven't met any married Pinay (or who is in a serious long term relationship), who would have willingly and humbly accepted her husband to fuck other girls, without cheating or scamming him in return.

Engine Driver

04-04-18, 13:27

The assumption throughout this discussion is that foreigners tend to marry hookers. The discussions makes no mention of those of us who have stable, longlasting marriages / relationships with women who have never seen the inside of a hooker bar and would be revolted at the thought of doing so. I know many, myself included, with such marriages to college-educated, smart, ambitious women who place their husbands first in their interior hierarchies of relationships. Maybe, just maybe, for those seeking such relationships it would be more productive and more satisfying not to start with a bar girl.

GE.You raise a very valid point. Unfortunately, most mongerers on a 2-week sex vacation to the Philippines are unlikely to come into contact with "college-educated, smart, ambitious women who are likely to place their husbands first in their interior hierarchies of relationship". They only meet hookers. This is a hooker discussion board.

I hope you don't mind my asking, but since you are obviously in a "stable, long-lasting relationship" which is "productive and more satisfying", what are you actually doing on a hooker discussion board?

D Cups

04-04-18, 13:56

Anyone who brings his Eastern wife to a Western continent to live is a damn fool. Go to her country and marry her and you will likely be seen as a hero but to bring her to your country is downright stupid. She will quickly pick up all of the bad habits of her new Western fat ass, loudmouth, pussy precious, self serving. Liberated feminists friends; and the dumbass that married her is now in a world of shit. I have seen this happen to my own close friends and it is always regrettable and usually turns out ugly. If you want to marry the pretty thing keep her in her own country but as far away from her relatives as possible.

Do filipinas expect their foreigner marriage to actually work? How much responsibility do they take when it fails?.

Sxxxx

04-04-18, 14:36

..............I hope you don't mind my asking, but since you are obviously in a "stable, long-lasting relationship" which is "productive and more satisfying", what are you actually doing on a hooker discussion board?Spot on!

Could not have said it better myself.

Red Kilt

04-04-18, 14:42

You've got to ask yourself, how could this union possibly succeed? Both go into the marriage without working through the consequences. Let's break it down into basic elements:
SNIP
ED.

Please clear out your Inbox / Outbox. It's full.

Dante702

04-04-18, 15:43

Hey guys,

I'm 29, I managed to talk an out-call legit massage therapist to have sex. I say legit because I am actually a good looking Fil-Am and did not offer her any extra money (it was only Pp250 per hour). She's young, 24, but has two twins. So she had two babies at the same time. She gets incredibly loose very quickly, but also very wet very quickly. This is the only time, even after having sex with many P4P girls with surely consistent clients and work, that I've experienced this.

To be clear, it isn't the opening that is so loose, it is the inside. I feel like after the first inch, I am alone in open air with nothing hugging the rest of my dick.

I think she was sex-starved because of how wet she got.

I keep searching the internet for the truth about vaginas after sex. I only find results by women. No honesty, all positivity, no objectivity.

I think motherhood is incredibly important and definitely screwed up now in western cultures, but I would like to know the reality about vaginas after childbirth.

Hypotheses. Vote 1 or 2 or other. With thoughts / explanations please.

1) Women get loose after childbirth after a short time, but with true nutrition, exercise, self-care. It returns to completely normal. BUT, most women, will never realize this as none are truly hardcore healthy. These are probably unicorns.

2) No, the vagina does tear and there is always some kind of reduction of tightness. Good practices only minimize the amount of damage / reduction in quality of sex.

X Man

04-04-18, 16:18

Good point ED. Some recent posters have been overgeneralizing about the Philippines with only the hooker environment mindset. For some members here, including me, this is a bit uncomfortable This really is much more than a "hooker discussion board". I've received great info about travel destination, hotels, restaurants, culture, biz, etc.

As a young man, I spent many weeks in Subic Bay back in the 80's. I was the same age as the dancers. There were live bands rocking out. It was bacchanal. I'm not here to figure out the bar and bar girl games. Been there, done that.

Many years ago I became interested in Davao based on reports from a member here. I visited, met him, met his partner, met gals, had a fantastic time, been back to Davao four times. And I've been to Philippines countless times.

You might find a thread here called "chat rooms". I requested that based on my own interactions with gals online.

The newer guys searching for a quality GF can learn a lot here too.

You raise a very valid point. Unfortunately, most mongerers on a 2-week sex vacation to the Philippines are unlikely to come into contact with "college-educated, smart, ambitious women who are likely to place their husbands first in their interior hierarchies of relationship". They only meet hookers. This is a hooker discussion board.

I hope you don't mind my asking, but since you are obviously in a "stable, long-lasting relationship" which is "productive and more satisfying", what are you actually doing on a hooker discussion board?

Dg8787

04-04-18, 19:21

Chocha Monger

04-04-18, 20:20

You raise a very valid point. Unfortunately, most mongerers on a 2-week sex vacation to the Philippines are unlikely to come into contact with "college-educated, smart, ambitious women who are likely to place their husbands first in their interior hierarchies of relationship". They only meet hookers. This is a hooker discussion board.

I hope you don't mind my asking, but since you are obviously in a "stable, long-lasting relationship" which is "productive and more satisfying", what are you actually doing on a hooker discussion board?Perhaps, the marriage is stable and long lasting because there is no divorce in the Philippines. Technically, the Philippine divorce rate is zero because "divorce" does not exist here. The marriage may be productive because it produced offspring and a source of income for the Filipina and her relatives. It is satisfying for the monger because he still gets his fix of young flesh by sneaking off to fuck bar girls in AC.

None of these things means that it is a happy marriage. Unless it is an open marriage and the wife is fucking younger men, it is hardly a satisfying situation for the wife. If the wife is unaware and disapproves of the husband fucking younger women, the marriage is very unstable because there is the risk of things going bad when she finds out about his mongering. In the Philippines, adultery is punishable with a 7-year jail term, so that is how unstable and unsatisfying it can get for a cheating husband.

Anyway, philandering seems to work for Trump, as his wife remains in the marriage so it works for some people. Many people consider a marriage successful as long as it does not end in a divorce. Others would argue that is a very low bar.

Golfinho

04-04-18, 22:15

Anyone who brings his Eastern wife to a Western continent to live is a damn fool. Go to her country and marry her and you will likely be seen as a hero but to bring her to your country is downright stupid. She will quickly pick up all of the bad habits of her new Western.Yes, but she will also see how you stand in your home country. When she sees her Western husband is every bit the alpha male (and even more!) at his home as he is when consorting with hookers in Angeles City, she will quickly pick up all your good habits, and a happy ending is in store for you.

GoodEnough

04-05-18, 00:54

Tagalog2016

04-05-18, 07:34

Perhaps, the marriage is stable and long lasting because there is no divorce in the Philippines. Technically, the Philippine divorce rate is zero because "divorce" does not exist here. The marriage may be productive because it produced offspring and a source of income for the Filipina and her relatives. It is satisfying for the monger because he still gets his fix of young flesh by sneaking off to fuck bar girls in AC.

None of these things means that it is a happy marriage. Unless it is an open marriage and the wife is fucking younger men, it is hardly a satisfying situation for the wife. If the wife is unaware and disapproves of the husband fucking younger women, the marriage is very unstable because there is the risk of things going bad when she finds out about his mongering. In the Philippines, adultery is punishable with a 7-year jail term, so that is how unstable and unsatisfying it can get for a cheating husband.

Anyway, philandering seems to work for Trump, as his wife remains in the marriage so it works for some people. Many people consider a marriage successful as long as it does not end in a divorce. Others would argue that is a very low bar.Also I want to add, that if a westerner hasn't caught his piany wife cheating on him, it doesn't automatically mean, that she doesn't do that.

Someone on the Forum mentioned, that he fucked married pinay, whose husband gave her GPS tracking device, to trace her location, while he is away on business. And still it didn't stop her to get laid with a random stranger. LOL.

A friend of mine after almost 4 years of successful marriage with god fearing pinay from province, accidentally found her correspondence with Pinoy, who was about to return to Philippines from his job overseas. They discussed their upcoming appointment details. She insisted him to use condom, since she said, she is going to be fertile on that certain day, but he opposed, he will fuck her bareback anyway, and finally she agreed.

It happens all the time in Philippines. Pinays are so fearless in this regard, especially when they deal with poriners, because they think, they always can get away with it. They don't care too much about possible consequences.

Mogwai

04-05-18, 08:07

I hope you don't mind my asking, but since you are obviously in a "stable, long-lasting relationship" which is "productive and more satisfying", what are you actually doing on a hooker discussion board?I think we all know there are board members who are in a serious relationship and do some mongering on the side. Nothing new here. And nothing wrong with that.

Mua Tur

04-05-18, 10:53

Many years ago I became interested in Davao based on reports from a member here. I visited, met him, met his partner, met gals, had a fantastic time, been back to Davao four times. And I've been to Philippines countless times.

You might find a thread here called "chat rooms". I requested that based on my own interactions with gals online.

The newer guys searching for a quality GF can learn a lot here too.Davao could be counted different planet to the rest of Philippine even to their close neighbor Cebu province.

Thinking and belief about life way out different than others. In chatroom could be for anything but unzip the pant from waist; yah! Need real work out for that.

Goferring

04-05-18, 11:02

I think we all know there are board members who are in a serious relationship and do some mongering on the side. Nothing new here. And nothing wrong with that.I'd also argue that those that have met and married "normal" girls from their peer group have lived or at least visited Asia for a considerable time and have more of an Asian than Western mindset.

In Asia it is totally accepted, if not expected, that a man of means will have affairs outside of marriage. If those affairs do not embarrass anyone nor draw excessively on family finances, then no one will object or be offended because they pose no threat to the marital unit. It's the idiots who incorrectly interpreted this as it being ok to play around in the home town or with the in-laws and embarrass their wife and family that come unstuck.

To suggest that I'm going to walk away from decades of marriage and several kids because a bar girl gives good head is a nonsensical to me as suggesting that I would leave to live off Meatlovers pizzas. I enjoy both occasionally but not as a constant part of my regular diet.

Tagalog2016

04-05-18, 13:17

In Asia it is totally accepted, if not expected, that a man of means will have affairs outside of marriage. If those affairs do not embarrass anyone nor draw excessively on family finances, then no one will object or be offended because they pose no threat to the marital unit. It's the idiots who incorrectly interpreted this as it being ok to play around in the home town or with the in-laws and embarrass their wife and family that come unstuck.I think, that the key phrase here is "man of means", which automatically means that:

Marriage is a pure business deal between a westerner and a pinay. Essentially he pays her, so that she play a role of good wife and she "accepts" him to fuck other women, because he provides her and her family. Such business deal should be deliberate choice for both him and her. He should understand either, that if his wife married him because of money, she can (and often she does) cheat him in return.

I think, that it is rare exception, when a woman, who sincerely loves her poriner, would have humbly and willingly accepted him to fuck prostitutes. It could be a case, if both spouses are peers, and a wise old woman lets him fuck prostitutes, so that her husband wouldn't find a young mistress. It could be a case, when husband is older, but they live together for decades and to date she is old anyway. It could be a case if she is a swinger, bisexual, etc. But anyway the latter is not a classical model of family.

If pinay is still relatively young, she wouldn't let her poriner to fuck others, unless she is purely after money.

DickBump

04-05-18, 17:21

Interesting read in this thread. I met my pinay wife almost 20 years ago while she was working in Hong Kong and then when she moved to Montreal we first met in person. Back then she was able to secure a US Tourist Visa and visited a few times before we ended up getting married.

Nowadays my mongering activities consist of a few trips a year to LOS Algodones and the occasional LBFM encounter while passing thru Manila on my way to Bacolod City. In general I find that if a pinay's family is fucked up then they are also fucked up.

Myself I have it pretty good and love reading these forums. Hard to not have a soft spot for these olive brown skinned hotties.

Ashok91

04-05-18, 18:53

Hey Guys,

Attached is Michel and she is Filipina. She is currently in Bangalore, India and seems to travel a lot.

I'm planning to meet her. Anyone here has any experience with her?

Chocha Monger

04-05-18, 20:50

I think, that the key phrase here is "man of means", which automatically means that:

Marriage is a pure business deal between a westerner and a pinay. Essentially he pays her, so that she play a role of good wife and she "accepts" him to fuck other women, because he provides her and her family. Such business deal should be deliberate choice for both him and her. He should understand either, that if his wife married him because of money, she can (and often she does) cheat him in return.

I think, that it is rare exception, when a woman, who sincerely loves her poriner, would have humbly and willingly accepted him to fuck prostitutes. It could be a case, if both spouses are peers, and a wise old woman lets him fuck prostitutes, so that her husband wouldn't find a young mistress. It could be a case, when husband is older, but they live together for decades and to date she is old anyway. It could be a case if she is a swinger, bisexual, etc. But anyway the latter is not a classical model of family.

If pinay is still relatively young, she wouldn't let her poriner to fuck others, unless she is purely after money.Pinays have no problem cheating faithful hardworking men while they are busy at work providing for them and their lazy relatives. It will be even easier for them to justify cheating a cheater. LOL! For Filipinas, marriage is about creating a legal entitlement to the foreign man's money and the perceived status that comes from staking a legal claim on a walking-ATM.

She will sex her Pinoy lover whenever her walking-ATM goes out to fuck prostitutes, and pretend that she does not smell them on his dick upon his return. This mutual cuckolding can go on for years until one of the parties gets serious with another lover. The Pinay wife may decide she wants rid herself of the old foreign husband because the Pinoy boyfriend is pressuring her, as he wants to move into the house and take ownership of automobiles, businesses, or land.

If the foreign husband becomes serious with his younger mistress or impregnates her, his Pinay wife and in-laws may act to secure their interests by arranging for him to meet his end in a "robbery. " There is no benefit for a foreigner in marrying a Pinay, it only brings dangers and obligations. If he mongers and it annoys his wife or she was planning to rid herself of him anyway after accumulating a certain amount of wealth, she can have him thrown in jail for adultery for 7 years or arrange for the fatal robbery. Old foreigners married to Filipina nurses should be particularly careful about cheating, as nurses can and have used their knowledge, skills, and access to potent drugs give geriatric husbands a farewell cocktail or parting shot.

Sammon

04-05-18, 20:51

Hey Guys,

Attached is Michel and she is Filipina. She is currently in Bangalore, India and seems to travel a lot.

I'm planning to meet her. Anyone here has any experience with her?Looks like a ladyboy. I do not trust anybody who posts pics all doled up. And made up boobs. Philippinas do not have this big boobs. Maybe meet outside first and see.

Wicked Roger

04-05-18, 20:58

Hey Guys,

Attached is Michel and she is Filipina. She is currently in Bangalore, India and seems to travel a lot.

I'm planning to meet her. Anyone here has any experience with her?I agree with Simmer and am not sure if she is pinay either. You ask lots of questions Ashok and never really contribute on the Indian forum where you last 7 'FRs" have been posted but if you meet this 'pinay' do let us know if our thoughts are correct and do a meaningful FR.

Goferring

04-05-18, 22:03

I think, that it is rare exception, when a woman, who sincerely loves her poriner, would have humbly and willingly accepted him to fuck prostitutes. It could be a case, if both spouses are peers, and a wise old woman lets him fuck prostitutes, so that her husband wouldn't find a young mistress. It could be a case, when husband is older, but they live together for decades and to date she is old anyway. It could be a case if she is a swinger, bisexual, etc. But anyway the latter is not a classical model of family.

If pinay is still relatively young, she wouldn't let her poriner to fuck others, unless she is purely after money.Tag,

Yet again a western outlook is being applied to an Asian situation. It's common in Asia to have apparent and real situations that may not be the same so that no one is embarrassed and everyone saves "Face". That's why you can't fuck your neighbour or cousin but it's tolerated if there is a dalliance on a "business trip", where the wife's family and friends will not see what may occur. Of course everyone knows what happens but it's important that no one is directly confronted or emabarrased.

Re read my post and you will find that it was only about two peers of the similar social and financial standing that marry. I would argue that this happens far more often than is recognised on this board. You are talking about non peers where the monger would be far older and wealthier than the girl and has probably only met on line or for a very short time. In those cases, I totally agree with you.

My use of "a man of means" was simply because mongering costs money. If the husband does not have that freely available then any activities will negatively impact the family's financial situation and therefore the wife directly.

Mr Enternational

04-06-18, 00:42

Hey Guys,

Attached is Michel and she is Filipina. She is currently in Bangalore, India and seems to travel a lot.

I'm planning to meet her. Anyone here has any experience with her?Are you going to fuck him first or is he going to fuck you first?

Mr Enternational

04-06-18, 00:59

There is no benefit for a foreigner in marrying a Pinay, it only brings dangers and obligations.Well what about love?

GoodEnough

04-06-18, 01:08

Chocha Monger

04-06-18, 02:10

Well what about love?What about love? Love is a feeling of intense desire and attraction toward a person with whom one is disposed to make a pair; the emotion of sex and romance.

In the Philippines, marriage is a legally enforceable marital contract entitling a woman to a share of your assets and future earnings, along with the threat of 7 years in a human sardine can with hundreds of criminals who want to make you their woman. The lack of divorce for the Filipina wife and the low cost of hitmen create a perverse incentive for her to have her husband murdered when she wants to end the marriage.

You do not need a legal contract to catch feelings for a woman. In fact, couples "fall in love" first and then decide to marry making the marriage part moot as far as love is concerned. No-divorce marriage in the Philippines is permanent consequence resulting from a temporary feeling called love. LOL! Your penis and feelings will work fine without it. Furthermore, if all the girl wants is love, she is not going make a fuss about marriage as most of them make babies and live with Filipino men without it.

Engine Driver

04-06-18, 02:45

Goferring is correct, and I believe he's the only participant in this discussion who understands the fundamental socio-cutural differences between Asian mindsets and those in most of the West. Most of the guys who come here for 2-3 weeks, and assume that based on their experience with bar girls, they understand something about the culture are deluding themselves. Ultimately, this is an unwinnable argument since some of us who have lived in SE Asia for years, studied and lived in the cultures, and immersed ourselves in the latter's daily realities proceed from a different set of assumptions than those who have had different life experiences.

GE.It's all rather academic. Most of the contributors on this site are unlikely to come into contact with educated, cultured and sophisticated Pinay women from good families. They are only going to mingle with hookers, so that's the only group of women they need to understand. All hookers are in the business for money and a permanent residency card in a western nation. Every foreigner is seen by them as a walking ATM and a conduit to achieving financial success. As long as the foreigners are aware of these basic facts, they shouldn't get into too much trouble.

We do appreciate the fundamental differences between Asian and Western mindsets as you say, but applying them is not necessary as most of us are not likely to be in country beyond two weeks and will have no opportunity to mix with the broader population. Most westerners have no intention of marrying a hooker, but those that do often run into difficulty right from the start. The discussion was intending to flesh this out more.

We do get that extra marital dalliances are tolerated in Asia as long as the husband is discreet and doesn't disrupt the family unit. We also understand the general behaviour of hookers is not representative of the behaviour of all Filipina women. The majority of Filipina women would not be interested in marrying foreigners and seek only relationships from men in their own social stratum. Furthermore, the majority of Filipina women are happy to remain in the Phillipines. We are not complete imbeciles.

I would also add that the non-pro women who seek foreigners on DIA, PL, FC etc might only be marginally better than hookers.

Chocha Monger

04-06-18, 03:24

Somehow, I doubt the old Western monger with an "Asian mindset" will be happy with other mongers and Filipino trike drivers fucking his wife when he is on that "business trip" chasing prostitutes. Most of the Western men who marry Filipinas claim they want a traditional marriage with a loyal wife.

Furthermore, Filipinas do not have an "Asian mindset" they have a "Filipina mindset" which means they act jealous and possessive towards their husbands while cuckolding him behind his back. Filipino marriage involves both the man and woman cuckolding each other, and the man accepts any bastard children the wife brings home in her belly. If a Western man has this mindset, he should not have any problem marrying a bar girl as he will not mind being a cuckold.

If both parties are going to fuck other people and make bastard babies with them, the expense and charade of a marriage is pointless. Why go into a church in front the entire village and family to recite empty vows when the bride still has her trike driver lover's cum in her pussy and the monger husband still has the scent of his most recent prostitute on his cock? The foreigner is going to be providing free roast pig, rice, cake, sweet drinks, and alcohol to the whole barangay. Why waste time and money on a lie? The Philippines does not require foreigners to marry in order to live here as cash dispensing walking penises. Do not make it unnecessarily complicated.

Perhaps, we should have a "Cuck and Bull" thread to help the Asian mindset fellas. Many fellas on the board are into pounding married Pinay pussy and flooding it with hot cream pie.

Bushes

04-06-18, 10:08

Dante,

Look up speculum. With a lot of lube it goes into virgins too.

On a first date or time, some girls can get so wet it is as if they peed in their pussy with lubricant. You can fist that girl fairly easily.

Secondly, a girl with a good OBGYN, will cut and sew the pussy so that it is tight or tighter. An option not performed in most village homebirths. In many places, surgery is required to remedy the fxxxing air or lack of sensation.

Third. Many cultures have exercises to help girls recover from child birth. Some rebuild the tightness for the sex part. Focusing on those muscles. Some also have an natural and unconsciously strong muscles. I had to demonstrate by sliding the girl's finger inside to show them.

Fourth, the vastness of the great beyond after the first inch. Have found that with non mothers too. And virgins.

So, IMHO, it varies greatly. Some are just variations between girls and some are from childbirth and sex. The one thing that is hard for a woman to fake is how wet she gets from sex. No artificial insertion beforehand. I had one young mother who gets dripping wet but gets so tight that I sometimes find the backside easier to enter. But boy, can she grab and squeeze it.

Hey guys,

I'm 29, I managed to talk an out-call legit massage therapist to have sex. I say legit because I am actually a good looking Fil-Am and did not offer her any extra money (it was only Pp250 per hour). She's young, 24, but has two twins. So she had two babies at the same time. She gets incredibly loose very quickly, but also very wet very quickly. This is the only time, even after having sex with many P4P girls with surely consistent clients and work, that I've experienced this.

To be clear, it isn't the opening that is so loose, it is the inside. I feel like after the first inch, I am alone in open air with nothing hugging the rest of my dick.

I think she was sex-starved because of how wet she got.

I keep searching the internet for the truth about vaginas after sex. I only find results by women. No honesty, all positivity, no objectivity.

Bushes

04-06-18, 10:19

There is certain wealthy world President whose whxxxe is publicising their tristes while wify was having a baby. So far wife is staying put. But all this pales by comparison to past French and Italian leaders. The populace there seem to be less hypocritical or puritanical. Now, where did I put my Ashley Madison login info?

I think, that the key phrase here is "man of means", which automatically means that:

Marriage is a pure business deal between a westerner and a pinay. Essentially he pays her, so that she play a role of good wife and she "accepts" him to fuck other women, because he provides her and her family. Such business deal should be deliberate choice for both him and her. He should understand either, that if his wife married him because of money, she can (and often she does) cheat him in return.

I think, that it is rare exception, when a woman, who sincerely loves her poriner, would have humbly and willingly accepted him to fuck prostitutes. It could be a case, if both spouses are peers, and a wise old woman lets him fuck prostitutes, so that her husband wouldn't find a young mistress. It could be a case, when husband is older, but they live together for decades and to date she is old anyway. It could be a case if she is a swinger, bisexual, etc. But anyway the latter is not a classical model of family.

If pinay is still relatively young, she wouldn't let her poriner to fuck others, unless she is purely after money.

Tagalog2016

04-06-18, 13:36

Tag,

Yet again a western outlook is being applied to an Asian situation. It's common in Asia to have apparent and real situations that may not be the same so that no one is embarrassed and everyone saves "Face". That's why you can't fuck your neighbour or cousin but it's tolerated if there is a dalliance on a "business trip", where the wife's family and friends will not see what may occur. Of course everyone knows what happens but it's important that no one is directly confronted or emabarrased.

Re read my post and you will find that it was only about two peers of the similar social and financial standing that marry. I would argue that this happens far more often than is recognised on this board. You are talking about non peers where the monger would be far older and wealthier than the girl and has probably only met on line or for a very short time. In those cases, I totally agree with you.

My use of "a man of means" was simply because mongering costs money. If the husband does not have that freely available then any activities will negatively impact the family's financial situation and therefore the wife directly.Gofferring,

Could you please explain, what drives your wife, that she allows your dalliances? What could be her reasoning of that?

Let's put aside "Face" matter. Ok, nobody knows, just you and she. If she is your peer, if she loves you and if she doesn't cheat on you in return, doesn't she feel jealousy? Isn't she afraid of STD?

I don't question the fact, that sometimes adultery in Philippines is tolerated.

I don't question the fact, that it is related with Asian mindset.

But I believe, that everything happens for a reason. In most cases such tolerance is related with money. I also listed other possible reasons in my previous post. I will give you a couple of examples:

1. It is quite common in Philippines, that Pinoy allows his wife to have an affair with foreigner. Sometimes he allows her to work as a bar girl. The reason is obvious. Money!

2. Millions of married Pinoys work overseas, visiting their families in Philippines just once per year or sometimes even less frequently. Their wives tolerate that they essentially rise the children without father. They clearly understand, that their husbands somehow need to manage their own sexual needs, while they work abroad. For an instance, in Saudi Arabia it looks as follows: Twenty low grade Filipino workers live together in one barrack for months. In spite of it is illegal and heavily punished by Saudi authorities, they produce own booze, they gamble and, sure thing, they fuck prostitutes. One girl once a week for 20 men. All of them fuck her in a row bareback! Of course their pinay wives know about that, but even though there's a high risk to caught STD, they tolerate it. Why? Because of money!

I have the experience of long term relationships with Pinays too. And in my experience, they, as majority of other women on the earth, don't like their husband / boyfriend to cheat on them. That is why, I don't understand you completely.

D Cups

04-06-18, 14:21

Well what about love?To be cynical, love is an illusion driven by libido for men, and greed (or at least socioeconomic betterment) for women (the CM paradigm). To be idealistic, love is an everlasting commitment to be and raise a family through thick and thin. For most of us, including me, it's just something you say to people you care about.

Tagalog2016

04-06-18, 21:04

Well what about love?Actually, true love to a woman is very similar with a feeling you feel towards your children, siblings, or mybe parents, when you were young. A lot of people mix up obsession, infatuation and passion with love, but that is just delusion. That's because love often starts with infatuation, but they are totally different feelings.

Of course infatuation gives you more strong sensations. It can drive you crazy, and it can cause you to make stupid things. But it doesn't last for long, sooner or later it fades away. Love is much more long-lasting feeling, and it can last for years and sometimes for decades. It's more deep, but less keen feeling though.

When a men or a woman takes care of his / her disabled spouse for years. It is love. When a monger decides to marry young sly Pinay, whom he knows for half a year. It is infatuation. It happens quite rarely, that people get married because of true love. They just mix up concepts.

Goferring

04-07-18, 01:31

Gofferring,

Could you please explain, what drives your wife, that she allows your dalliances? What could be her reasoning of that?Tag,

I don't know specifically as it would be far to embarrassing and confrontational to discuss or request permission directly. I expect our relationship is the same as many other mixed or pure couples and depending on who the "justification" was being presented to the reasons could be drawn from:

Outsourcing sex acts that she is not comfortable with.

Not being seen in places that "good girls" would not go to.

Not embarrassing friends by making a scene over something they are all doing.

Not disturbing her kids by upsetting the family unit or environment.

Not being seen as the cause of a marriage difficulty or break down.

You were quick to dismiss "Face". However, I think it pays a much bigger role than you allow.

I could keep going but I expect that the biggest is simply why bother? Any discreet dalliance causes her no harm and poses no threat to the marriage. Visibly complaining or ending the marriage only has downside.

Member #4566

04-07-18, 02:21

To be cynical, love is an illusion driven by libido for men, and greed (or at least socioeconomic betterment) for women (the CM paradigm). To be idealistic, love is an everlasting commitment to be and raise a family through thick and thin. For most of us, including me, it's just something you say to people you care about.Love evolved from the long term commitment necessary to raise an infant human to maturity. Humans have large brain cases and our women could bring our babies to term with a big head but the woman's hips would be so wide that she would never have the speed to elude a predator.

Thus life made an accommodation: the woman could keep her hips relatively narrow but the baby would have to go through an extended period of post partum cranial development. In other words, a human's childhood is long and requires nurturing parental attention. Love arose from the biological necessity for parents to bond to each other and to their children. Contrast humans with a slithering snake who lays her eggs and then is gone; no love here because she does not need to care for them.

We wax philosophical, and the poets create art about love as the subject but they all miss the point. It is simple biology.

Mr Enternational

04-07-18, 02:51

I have the experience of long term relationships with Pinays too. And in my experience, they, as majority of other women on the earth, don't like their husband / boyfriend to cheat on them. That is why, I don't understand you completely.Everybody has their own definition of cheating. That is why these things need to be vocalized at the beginning of a relationship. It seems your definition is merely fucking someone else. My girlfriend in Brazil told me that it is okay for me to fuck other chicks when we are not together, but when we are together I am hers. Am I cheating on her? My girlfriend in Peru likes to swing and attend orgies. Are we cheating on each other when we go to those parties?

For me cheating has shit to do with fucking someone else and more to do with caring for someone else. The way western guys mess up is due to them not being able to fuck someone and go home. They have a tendency to get attached then start shirking their duties with their main girl. Maybe many Filipinas' idea of cheating is taking care of another woman, and not just simply fucking them.

Whenever I get a new girlfriend at home in Pattaya I always tell them from the beginning that I will be fucking other chicks. It is a small place and for me it would not be fair for one of their friends to see me out with some chick and spring the news on her. Am I cheating on her?

That is why you want to stay out of other people's business. You see your friend's wife out with a guy or whatever and you want to tell him, but you don't know the type of relationship they have. They may get down like that. Now you are looking like a donkey.

Member #4566

04-07-18, 05:05

Mr Enternational

04-07-18, 05:50

I don't call the prostitutes that I have sex with my girlfriends. The promiscuous relationships that you have with several women you say are your "girlfriends" might be better described as your fuckmates.I did not speak of prostitutes or fuckmates. I spoke of real girlfriends. I presently have a girlfriend (nonpaid) in Brazil, Colombia, and Peru. I have tons of fuckmates (nonpaid) all over the place (I was with a couple in the Dominican Republic last weekend). I use prostitutes (paid) on an as needed or as wanted basis.

For instance when I get to Rio at the end of this month I will go downtown and fuck a couple of prostitutes until a fuckmate that works reception at a fancy hotel finishes work and comes to stay the night. The next morning I will leave Rio to meet my girlfriend on an island in northeast Brazil where we will stay a few days and I will go scuba diving.

Last week me and my girlfriend that works at an energy company in Bogota took a trip to Armenia where they have the coffee plantations. When we got back to Bogota she went home and I tried to get a fuckmate (that I have told I have a girlfriend in Bogota and have shown her pictures of us together) to come to the hotel but she had eaten some bad pizza and was having stomach problems. So, I went to Santa Fe to fuck a prostitute for $8 (see report in the Bogota thread). I do not use the terms interchangeably!

Tagalog2016

04-07-18, 06:49

Everybody has their own definition of cheating. That is why these things need to be vocalized at the beginning of a relationship. It seems your definition is merely fucking someone else. My girlfriend in Brazil told me that it is okay for me to fuck other chicks when we are not together, but when we are together I am hers. Am I cheating on her? My girlfriend in Peru likes to swing and attend orgies. Are we cheating on each other when we go to those parties?

For me cheating has shit to do with fucking someone else and more to do with caring for someone else. The way western guys mess up is due to them not being able to fuck someone and go home. They have a tendency to get attached then start shirking their duties with their main girl. Maybe many Filipinas' idea of cheating is taking care of another woman, and not just simply fucking them.

Whenever I get a new girlfriend at home in Pattaya I always tell them from the beginning that I will be fucking other chicks. It is a small place and for me it would not be fair for one of their friends to see me out with some chick and spring the news on her. Am I cheating on her?

That is why you want to stay out of other people's business. You see your friend's wife out with a guy or whatever and you want to tell him, but you don't know the type of relationship they have. They may get down like that. Now you are looking like a donkey.What you describe is called open relationship. You find it comfy and your girls find it comfortable either. If both parties are happy with that, then I don't see any reason to complain. No one of you has strings attached to each other, which means that if one of your girls would suddenly tell you, she is going to marry someone tomorrow, and she doesn't want to meet and fuck with you anymore, you have nothing to say against her, since she has no any obligations to you whatsoever. This kind of relationship has both pros and cons. For your lifestyle it may have only pros, if you don't have any emotional attachments to those girls.

What I meant, was traditional long term relationship with emotional attachment, when both partners are expected to be faithful one to each other. Actually, I don't have anything against open relationship, and moreover, that is what I consider the most appropriate way for short term relationship, which consist of sex and relax. But for a long run it doesn't work, at least for me.

And yes, you are right, that cheating on someone can mean both: just fucking, and something more, comprising feelings. Latter is worse of course.

Tagalog2016

04-07-18, 07:40

If both parties are going to fuck other people and make bastard babies with them, the expense and charade of a marriage is pointless. Why go into a church in front the entire village and family to recite empty vows when the bride still has her trike driver lover's cum in her pussy and the monger husband still has the scent of his most recent prostitute on his cock? The foreigner is going to be providing free roast pig, rice, cake, sweet drinks, and alcohol to the whole barangay. Why waste time and money on a lie? The Philippines does not require foreigners to marry in order to live here as cash dispensing walking penises. Do not make it unnecessarily complicated.You made me laugh again. Yes, you are absolutely right, that such marriage has no sense whatsoever.

The thing is that both poriner and pinay want to outsmart each other. He thinks, that he will enjoy the privilege of fucking multiple hot wet tight pussies, while his wife will remain faithful to him. She thinks the same towards him. As a result, both become cuckolds, and up to a certain moment, everyone thinks he managed to trick his counterpart. LOL.

D Cups

04-07-18, 15:14

You lead pretty much an ideal life, Mr. E. As far as I can tell. Paid travel. Mutiple girlfriends worldwide. What could be better? I do ok but man you really got it going on. Hope our paths coincide again. QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2163837 Brazil, Colombia, and Peru. Dominican Republic / QUOTE.

Tagalog2016

04-07-18, 16:27

I could keep going but I expect that the biggest is simply why bother? Any discreet dalliance causes her no harm and poses no threat to the marriage. Visibly complaining or ending the marriage only has downside.Goferring,

I sencirely hope, that your wife is truly good, decent woman. Then you are a lucky man. No joke. And all the best. Don't rely on her Asian mindset and be careful. It's so easy to break what you have been built for years, and so difficult to build up something new. Sometimes impossible.

Chocha Monger

04-07-18, 22:06

You made me laugh again. Yes, you are absolutely right, that such marriage has no sense whatsoever.

The thing is that both poriner and pinay want to outsmart each other. He thinks, that he will enjoy the privilege of fucking multiple hot wet tight pussies, while his wife will remain faithful to him. She thinks the same towards him. As a result, both become cuckolds, and up to a certain moment, everyone thinks he managed to trick his counterpart. LOL.I admit that it is very amusing to see the mongers and the Pinays trying to outsmart each other with both sides playing the role of double agents in marriage. The foreign monger thinks he is locking down the Pinay wife's pussy with a worthless marriage certificate. The Pinay thinks she is locking down an incorrigible monger's cock, in addition to securing a lifetime supply of foreign currency. Meanwhile, both go through great lengths to deceive and cuckold each other. Both parties take great glee in the thought that they are the cuckolder and their cuckolded spouse is the unsuspecting victim. However, the reality is that they are both cuckolding the cuckolder, rendering both cuckolds. LOL!

I guess the marriage serves as a form of elaborate sadomasochistic role-playing where each side gets to think they are the Dom and their spouse the sub. The fantasy usually ends when one or both of the cuckolders come home with an incurable venereal disease, or there is a pregnancy involving a third party. At that point, it becomes obvious that the game cannot continue as before. The status of cuckolder becomes untenable and both spouses fight for the status of cuckold, as it is the less reviled position than that of the oath-breaking faithless cuckolder.

However, in the Philippines, the Pinay is always the indisputable winner in the marriage game, as she will come away with more than the foreign monger husband will. She will never be worse off than she was before the marriage. Her Pinoy boyfriend will do very well too. The foreign cash dispensing walking penis is the only one who comes away reduced, if he comes away alive. The most ridiculous part of it is the fact that it was unnecessary, as maid services are extremely affordable and much cheaper than a Pinay cheater wife and her relatives. LOL! If foreigners want to enjoy unlimited young tight wet pussies, they should just stick to being mongers. They can have short-term or long-term girlfriends who do not fuck for cash, or they can go all P4P.

Finally, foreigners are deluding themselves into thinking that the "Asian mindset" and "face" applies to them. Filipinos see them as "poriners" and the carabao is entitled to more "face" than a poriner. When the poriner's Pinay wife brings her Pinoy boyfriend into the marriage bed to fuck her and the neighbors and entire barangay knows about it, no one tells the poriner and it becomes quite the joke. They will greet the poriner a good day on the street and laugh at the fact that he is unaware that his wife cuckolds him. They do this not to save his "face" because he is considered quite the fool in the barangay; everyone knows that he is a cuckold except him. There is no face left for him to save. The real reason no one warns him is the fact that he is a poriner, and outsider. He will never be truly one of them, as much as he thinks himself part of the family or the tribe. To the natives, he will always be nothing more than the resident cash dispensing walking penis. When speaking about him in his absence, they will refer to him as "her poriner" or "the poriner" but rarely if ever by his proper name.