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GoodEnough
01-09-05, 05:58
I think this topic is already done to death. Let's leave the poor naifs who get fleeced by these avaricious,scheming con artistes to their awful fate!
GE
Im married to a good filipina now, but I had to learn to use my radar properly after a few dicey relationships I managed to escape in Manila and Cebu. The first one was insanely jealous, screwed up home, cut her wrists etc. She had a good heart and did love me, but it was just too intense with her baggage and jealousy so I bolted. I've met and know many angels in the Phils.. You just have to have your radar in order. I'm still a Dirty Dog though!
Member #1005
01-09-05, 12:46
Well, based on your last post, there’s no questioning of your intellect here.
Juniour
Hot Diggidy Dog
01-11-05, 08:12
I think Unifun had it right. Most westerners think that when you're married to someone, you and she are #1 to each other. To a Filli, you're like a junior member of the family. Parents first, children next, siblings after that, and spouse fits in wherever ... Short of shopping in the orphanages for a bride, it's a chump's game.
Are there good Fili wives? Sure! I know one. I also know several bad ones (still married) and quite a few now divorced from their UK or US husbands. And don't go on about all the good Fili wives you met last week at the US-Fili club you belong to, you know perfectly well you'd be too ashamed to show your face if your Fili wife walked out on you.
A friend of mine met a Fili in Manila, dated for a year, got engaged, etc. -- she was back home after separating from a US husband. When the divorce came through my friend did the dumbest thing possible -- married her, adopted her two kids from the previous marriage, and (here's the killer) moved back to the US. In a year they were separated, in two divorced.
He's still got the two girls. Mommy comes to visit twice a month and takes them shopping for an afternoon, that's it.
Cross cultural marriages are almost always a problem -- fitting your oversized American body into a Fili family is a tough fit.
[QUOTE=Uninfun]
Most of the filipinas I've met will bang like a rabbit. That being said, I've known more than a few to cheat, or just dump H#1 after a couple of years. I'm sure there are guys with a conservative woman who will remain loyal.
As to loyalty, they are loyal to their family first and you second (not that that is a bad thing, but a truth).
I have met 3 Filipinas since I have arrived here for my college friend's wedding. They have a couple of boyfriends abroad that they constantly e-mail. These guys are Americans that pay for their rent, clothes, etc... I was surprised that they were so frank about these things with me. In the meantime, the guys do not know that these women are plying their tricks behind their backs.
For those of you who decide to support these women, watch out. Anyway, these girls, even though I treated them with respect, have given me a low opinion of Filipinas, at least those who ply their trade around the Makati area, where there is a plethora of foreign businessmen. At least with Mexican women, through my limited experience, I find that they tend to be more truthful about matters with regards to the heart.
Planning on marrying my filipina but having thoughts of possible problems. Family is poor but own land and farms and not asked her for one dime in about 18 months. I have been generous with her and had her quit her lousy 7000 peso job and bought her land, initially I did it as an escape so when I left she would have something from me tangible. Never asked me for jewelry or watches or clothes. Of course I bought her but never too expensive since I did not want someone ripping her off. She is not faking since we spend virtually every minute together. Here is my question ,she has 9 brothers and 2 sisters and the thought of me supporting or bringing in the whole family makes me il. She of course says that no way but I know the filipina values family over husband, plus one child, which she says will stay with her mother in the province. What do you experienced Filipino watchers say are the chances of her being honest to me.(she has been truthful to me and we talk constantly)
Sounds OK to me. I would take her at her word and you also have some actions to already judge her on.
My wife used to get upset if I "splurged" on her family (bought a cheap fridge for their farm P9,000) and discouraged me from sending her gifts. I did insist on giving her money after her return home from HK to pursue the K-1 paperwork, but she only accepted enough for her trip to Manila and St Luke's expenses.
We did send her family $100 for Christmas in the past, but this last year money was tght and we sent P3,000 from our last trip.
I made a $1,000 "loan" to help her brother set up a roofing business 2 years ago (but her kuya also forked over P50K, we split the cost); I will probably never see payback on this and did not expect it. Made another loan in April 2004 and this I expect to see soon, if not all in 1 payment, then perhaps spread over 4 payments.
Discuss with your fiance your expectations on family support if she works. This is an issue with some couples I know here. Be as clear as you can, but sometimes when we think things are clear, they aren't.
In any event, if there is a serious emergency (and I'm sure there will be), be ready to assist. Sometimes it's not the whole enchilada, just P1,000 to show that you care or are willing to help. Your future wife can help you figure this out.
Marc25,
If the thought of you supporting the whole family makes you ill, then do not marry her. Because the likelihood of you supporting them is high. They are poor but have land. Are they farmers who can till the land but need some money to start off for farming equipment? If your girl is quitting her job (cuz you want it that way), what is going to do for monthly expenses? Unless they have a way to become financially independent, you will be the primary source of help. Of course your girl says : No Way. She feels that way. But what happens when they are in need of money, say, for food. Can your girl be the only that eats while the rest of her family starves in front of her? How would you behave in her place?
Frequent Flier
01-13-05, 04:45
Sound as if you have one great girl there. That of course should be your first and greatest concern and it seems that you understand that very well as you have maintained your relationship with her.
If she has a child that will stay back at home, something girls are all to willing to do in the PI that I do not understand. As you have stated and seem to already know you will most likely be expected to support the child and at least one if not more of the people taking care of this child. I'm sure the Mother would at least feel this much responsibility.
I am currently helping a girl and her child so that they can make a go of it for the future. I will not support her forever and she knows this. I insist that she take English classes now, so that she can go on to school when the child is three years old and can stay with a sitter or nanny. I do this because I knew her in the past and some guy knocked her up and doesn't care to be involved or be responsible. So I am helping out. I can tell you that her family owns land and in the past she had sent money home to help. She was not a gogo bar girl, but worked in Hong Kong for many years.
However, this girl hasn't sent any money home in over two years and told her family she would send no more money before she quit. They haven't asked that I know of. She has purchased them presents at times on the standard holidays, but never anything to expensive.
The point is that some girls will not support their family. Not sure how they escape this social weight and why they do not feel obligated like others do, but they do.
I have read other stories and know guys married to Filipina's who have the same stories.
It does happen, but you still have to take a little leap of faith in these situations. As I'm sure you know, nothing is for sure.
Good Luck,
FF
GoodEnough
01-13-05, 09:55
Let's see, when I last lived in the US, which was a long time ago, the divorce rate was about 50% and edging higher. When I lived in France, which was more recent, the divorce rate was about the same and fewer and fewer couples were choosing to get married. I sense a trend here. Why pick out the poor Filipinas for scorn and abuse? The fact is, if a Westerner marries a Filipina the risk of divorce is high, but probably no higher than if he had married another Westerner.
Yes, cross-cultural marriages are hard. The frames of reference, the socializations, the values and expectations are different; often radically different. I've made this point before and I will try to make it one more time: the odds on establishing a lasting relationship increase dramatically if you can find a "non poor" middle class, reasonably well-educated lady. This should hardly be a surprising revelation. Most people in the West marry within their own socio-economic class. In fact, if most of you heard of a well-educated, financially secure guy marrying the daughter of a subsistence farmer from some small, rural town, you would probably be fairly disdainful of the relationship. It should then not be shocking that many, if not most such relationships to not work here either.
One other point about "land owning" families. Most families do not actually own the land, or anything else. Rather, it's historically deeded to the family, or rented to the family by the local Datu or landlord. Land titling here is completely screwed up, and few clear titles to rural land exist. The odds are good that, though a girl's family may have been farming the land for generations, it does not own it. The chances are even better that the family borrows heavily, from the landlord, prior to each planting season for seeds and fertilizers and then repays the loans with most of the crops grown, only to borrow again prior to the next planting cycle. That's pretty much the way that the rural system of perpetual serfdom works here.
GE
Thanks for your reply, I know she owns the land Spanish land grant, 1/16 spanish. She is going to the top school in the Phillipines I told her if she can pass I would send, loves school, studying wants to be doctor, I said nurse so you can support me and I get check, no check I divorce you next day, up to you, I said. She said okay.
I am sure she will pass nurse program in the states and plan to do a prenuptial . I am also resigned to the fact that we may break up but feel what time we have together is so wonderful it seems a shame to let it go. I do not need her to work at all, my lifestyle will not improve with her income but it makes her more educated , sucessful and would make me proud of her. She worked two jobs, she went to school full time and bought 3 farms so I feel she has some class irregardless of her poorness(first in her family to go to college or leave the farm) I am expecting the worst and I let her know that and yet I miss her company, I am in thailand ,by myself and have almost no interest in another woman, it is getting me worried that I actually care for her deeply. She has told her family that once she leaves the pi she will not be able to send money as we will need it for our family. I guess nothing it 100%, but I remember a friend of mine worth 1 billion US and married to 5 billion " buddy no one gets everything they want , no one , there are always tradeoffs" wrong quote , what he also said"before you marry be 100% sure , do not doubt". My two frieds decided to marry in one and three day respectively. ONe of them married a 40 year old professional bar girl. He of course had never been to the PI and went down to get a Fiancee visa to the first woman he went to bed with because the sex was so good.
Now he is supoorting seven people and of course before he went he said he would not even think of any girl who has children as he has raised his children. I tried to talk to him but he will not listen to anything negative about the most wonderful woman in the world. He has given her a credit card (two) and her limit is the same as his. OH well. I see real disaster but know he will not listen, my girl says he is in a dream and does not want it wakened.
Travel to Monger
01-13-05, 22:18
Planning on marrying my filipina but having thoughts of possible problems. Family is poor.....
Never asked me for jewelry or watches or clothes...
...she has 9 brothers and 2 sisters and the thought of me supporting or bringing in the whole family makes me il. She of course says that no way but
What do you experienced Filipino watchers say are the chances of her being honest to me.(she has been truthful to me and we talk constantly)
Marc,
I think that “the chances of her being honest to you” are respectable based on what you included in your post.
That said, I don’t think that the real issue here is her honesty but rather the inevitable financial emergencies that will confront her immediate family over the years.
First let’s estimate how large her family will be once her siblings are all grown. If each of her siblings has 2 children (22 kids), her parents and her existing child you are looking at approximately 25 individuals.
When these individuals are faced with a financial crisis (hospitalization, medicine, school tuition, etc) they will look to the family member who is married to the foreigner since he is rich. She will either have to pony up the money as required or appear to be completely un-caring of the very serious problems facing her parents, siblings or child. Even in the West, this would often be a difficult request to refuse if you were several orders of magnitude richer than the rest of your family. Imagine if your sister were married to Bill Gates and your parents needed an expensive surgical procedure that wasn’t covered by their insurance and she said “fuck-off and die.”
However, in the Philippino culture, unlike ours, it is always expected that you would always provide what ever you have to a family member who for whatever reason needs the money more than you do at this moment. They view their assets as being community property across the entire family.
I have heard numerous stories where a Filipina goes abroad to work for several years as a domestic helper or “entertainer” and then returns home with a nice nest egg only to face the expectation that the first “crisis” faced by any family member will be solved by her turning over her savings. These things are not an option in their culture unless she is willing to be disowned by her family.
So in the end it comes down not to only whether you can trust that she is being honest about her feelings, but also would you want to put her in the position of not behaving in the manner that would be expected of someone in her financial position.
PsyberZombie
01-14-05, 12:52
Any·one who has any substantial Net Worth knows how to get out of giving away that net worth to all the moochers who in·variably ask
You should sit your little Filipina wife / GF down and explain how this works =
Any·one who asks for moola gets a 'sob story' about how in spite of all the trappings of wealth you possess , you are , in fact , deeply in debt and have NO Liquid Assets to spare . Consider it a 'White Lie' ; and don't forget to tell wifie No More Vacations or Jewelry will be possible if you relent [ hopefully this too will be a White Lie ]
This should be easy to pull off , especially if you are in the U.S. and the mooching family is across the Pacific Ocean
If you really *do* have substantial net worth , to the point that friends , family , and even people you barely know are constantly hitting you up for 'Loans' or 'Investment Opportunities' , you may have to resort to the next level of Deception , and do what Yours Truly does =
Enlist your Accountant to be the Bad Guy for you
When·ever some·one hits you up , just give them your Accountant's name and phone number and tell them she'll fix them up
When the Mooch calls , the Accountant gives them the Sad News that in spite of all appearances , you are actually just one step ahead of getting every·thing you own re·possessed and how all your credit cards are maxed out [ All LIES ]
Because the Bad News comes from a third party , it seems that much more believeable
And the dozen or so hours I get billed each year for this 'service' are more than worth it in the long run
Try it !!
Wander Luster
01-15-05, 08:17
As of last Sept i spend half the year in Cebu for work. I've been here 3.5 months since Sept. I've messaged with I think almost 100 girls through filipinoheart.com and met scores. Trouble is I'm married, so this method does not work very well for getting laid. My wife is never able to come to the Phils 'cause of her work back home so I'm alone for 2 months here-- my SOB story if I were not to get laid for 2 months.
It is VERY easy for me to have girls here attracted to me, but of course it's too much work to go behond friends cause they know I'm married and I won't lie.
I've spent too much money in bars so that's not my thing anymore.
Question: it would seem to me that "adultfriendfinder" would be a great place to meet freelancers in Cebu. Any have ideas about that. If it's true for Manila than probably also for Cebu. Angeles is another story. There are "freelancers" posting alll over the dating sites from Angeles.
If a filipina wants to have your kid and fucks on your first time meeting her, only after extensive chatting and phone calls for 3 months, she definitely bad business right?
GoodEnough
03-04-05, 12:38
Not necessarily.
GoodEnough
03-06-05, 02:33
I just got a PM asking me how I managed to delete the post from Wil Kil. I do not have the power, the authority or even the interest to delete anyone's post. It must have been the administrator who decided that it was inappropriate.
GE
However, in the Philippino culture, unlike ours, it is always expected that you would always provide what ever you have to a family member who for whatever reason needs the money more than you do at this moment. They view their assets as being community property across the entire family.
I have heard numerous stories where a Filipina goes abroad to work for several years as a domestic helper or “entertainer” and then returns home with a nice nest egg only to face the expectation that the first “crisis” faced by any family member will be solved by her turning over her savings. These things are not an option in their culture unless she is willing to be disowned by her family.
So in the end it comes down not to only whether you can trust that she is being honest about her feelings, but also would you want to put her in the position of not behaving in the manner that would be expected of someone in her financial position.Regarding para1, you may not be expected to cover all of the expenses; when there was a death (actually happened twice in last 18 months), we had my wife's kuya contribute P1,000 on our behalf each time and reimbursed him, everybody was ok with this.
Regarding para 2, the OFWs or OCWs get screwed by everybody, in many cases including the family. It's very hard to work in Singapore (usually less $$ thna HK and 1 day off a month), HK or elsewhere for 2,4,10 or 20 years and then return home, soon to be broke, but it happens all the time.
Elsewhere on WSG/Philippines there was a post, mostly of generalizations about marrying a Filipina and the importance of "family" support. I think the poster was confusing Thailand with RP (I've been to Thailand but really only know about the culture from that week (nada, LOL), what I read on "Stickman" and elsewhere. Choose xarefully and you will be rewarded; choose foolishly and you will be punished cruely....but then divorced and free to choose again, LOL. And the choosing (interviewing!!) may be the best part of all!
GoodEnough
03-13-05, 08:01
As Harvey WB says, quite accurately, it's difficult to generalize, and the extent of familial responsiblity depends on the Filipina with whom you're living. In my case, I've known my girlfriend for about 14 months, and we've been living together for 6 or 7 months. Never once, in all that time, has she asked me for a centavo for her family. Harvey's advice is right on the money. Choose carefully, and be careful.
GE
Khun Larry
03-26-05, 01:40
As of last Sept i spend half the year in Cebu for work. I've been here 3.5 months since Sept. I've messaged with I think almost 100 girls through filipinoheart.com and met scores. Trouble is I'm married, so this method does not work very well for getting laid. My wife is never able to come to the Phils 'cause of her work back home so I'm alone for 2 months here-- my SOB story if I were not to get laid for 2 months.
It is VERY easy for me to have girls here attracted to me, but of course it's too much work to go behond friends cause they know I'm married and I won't lie.
I've spent too much money in bars so that's not my thing anymore.
Question: it would seem to me that "adultfriendfinder" would be a great place to meet freelancers in Cebu. Any have ideas about that. If it's true for Manila than probably also for Cebu. Angeles is another story. There are "freelancers" posting alll over the dating sites from Angeles.Did you join these sits as a paying member or did they contact you?
I can't see any Filipinas paying $30 a month.
Khun Larry
03-26-05, 01:51
In fact, if most of you heard of a well-educated, financially secure guy marrying the daughter of a subsistence farmer from some small, rural town, you would probably be fairly disdainful of the relationship.
GENot if she was a cutie 20 years younger
I would be more interested in if she had any sisters : )
Hey Wanderlust,
Can you pass on some of those 100s of email addresses. Surely you don't need all of them. :-)
I noticed that Cherry Blossoms is cheaper. Why did you pick FilipinoHeart?
In response to GE's post about marrying within one's own socio-economic class, I dug up this old article from the IHT.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/01/13/opinion/eddowd.html
As a frequent reader, I do get a lot of chuckles from some of the comments I see here concerning the trials and tribulations of potential relationships with Filipinas. Just as anywhere else in the world, there are class levels, this country being no different.
For all of you that haven't cracked the code on finding the gal of your dreams, start with these little snippets:
Bad Filipinas
Bar girls in general come from broken homes, destructive relationships, or have financial burdens to friends, family, coworkers, etc. They can and will fleece you approximately 98 percent of the time if they can devise a way to separate you from your pesos in the interest of having a better life than the bare existance that they currently live. That's not to say that they are bad, but a lot of them (not all, so don't flame me) want to get out of their problems and you are a walking ATM machine.
They don't have a clue about the western world except what they see in movies and the lies told by family members so they will hook a fish like you so that the girl can send as much money back to their greedy friends, lazy brothers, jealous aunts, etc in as quick a period as possible.
Don't get me wrong! There are some great bar girls that due to their circumstances resorted to the bar game. I know one that has a 4 year degree from a top school, is smart as a whip, and is still a virgin. Her dad really needs 30k PhP in medical treatment a month to survive. The family can't afford it, this girl works two full time jobs just to make sure dad gets the treatment he needs. That's called dedication and if you were sick and were on the deathbed, I bet you would hope that you had someone looking out for you that was that dedicated.
There are exceptions to the rule in most societies, this being one in particular. In this one 95% of the wealth is controlled by 3% of the population, and there is a wide swing between the average working stiff that trudges through life and the Ayala's and Lopez's of the country.
A general rule of thumb on bad ones:
They have a hard time speaking english.
They spend every peso they have on load for their cell phones.
They act with the maturity of a 10 year old (ok well some of the college grads do that too lol)
They dont save, nor care to, even though they may be bringing in 40k to 80k PhP a month in bar fines and drink slips.
They cant spell college, nor do they want to.
Their interest is on how fast they can trick you, the sucker, into separating them from a barstool so they can spend your money.
Their expectation of the western world is we live in mansions in LA, have maids, yaya's, drivers and you probably haven't admitted you have a corporate jet and unlimited cell phone accounts for them and their bar friends to whisk away to St Tropez or other exotic locales.
They want a house full of kids, but they arent sure about how they are created. Sex education wasn't on the list of requirements in the province, but they are sure happy if they can use them to seal the deal with you in short order.
Their friends are money leeching fools that would steal a red hot stove if they thought they could get by with it.
Look for those traits and investigate carefully before a relationship progresses with those sorts of gals. Remember not all are, but a lot can be determined by reading the list above and quietly observing their behavior.
Good Filipinas
There are tons, literally thousands, of well educated gals here that would like someone intelligent, witty, charming and successful. They really could care less if they ever left the country. Mom, Dad, Grandpa and Grandma have sent them to the best schools from an early age and doted on them to make them the cream of the crop. These girls are NOT spoiled, they are a great catch.
They have a high degree of refinement and poise, and they are as easy, or easier to get in the sack than the average jaded bar girl and one hell of a lot safer relationship wise. If you are into marriage, this girl will go to the ends of the earth for you to make you happy and is enterprising enough to mulititask career and personal life better than any western girl you could meet.
There is a downside to this though. If you are a one night stand sort of guy and woo her till you get her in the sack, then dump her, expect Mom, Dad, Grandpa and Grandma, if any of them hear of their cute little coquette being defiled to work on making your existance a living hell, i.e., left in a Cavite cane field maimed or worse!
I have seen several instances of smooth talking Westerners going down this path, working slowly on separating the young, innocent, college educated professional gal from her knickers to end up with their life ruined. If you are married, they can and will find out all about you.
Basically, they leave a relationship with a Westerner alone if the daughter is happy, unless the daughter has some sort of dowry / investment that they are eventually going to be responsible for (read as the family fortune, and some do guys). In that case, as soon as they get wind of you with their precious progeny they can and will send a message subtly if they don't like you. If you don't get the message don't be surprised if it gets escalated so you "get the point".
I know all sorts of women here. Currently I have a DeLasalle grad that would do the world for me, has a decent income, drives her own car, and has traveled abroad. She is a tiger in the sack and constantly improves on her technique to perfect her relationship with me. That's total quality improvement guys, find that in your average street strumpet. She will eventually go to the Wharton school. I hope she doesn't leave here too soon because she is that great and I will miss her. I'm sure knowing her that she will fly back just to see me every chance she gets, because I am the man of her life and she is that sort of old fashioned gal.
As I said, its just as easy or easier than landing a bar girl, and a lot more intellectually stimulating. If you are really wanting a partner, I would think you want flawless english, a brain on her shoulders, and a little class that she can impart on your potential future offspring.
Where do you find these darlings? In businesses, in nice restaurants, Rockwell mall in the evenings is a great place. There are real stunners out there that are Ateneo University students in the grad program. Try Seattle's best and you will find girls working on deadlines that would like some worldly advice and stimulating conversation. Try the restaurants on Friday and Saturday night after 9 and sit next to a table of coed kitties and strike up a conversation. Their english is as good or better than most Americans I know because they have been speaking it in their households since birth. The reason: Upper class Filipinos look down on Tagalog as a useless language unsuitable for business. It's a class distinction, not snobbery. These girls are groomed to be a catch for the right man. That man could be you.
Any top university setting (DeLaSalle, Ataneo) will provide you a literal cornucopia of fresh, clean, talented, well read, westernized muff free for the taking. No bar fines, no rough talk (except when she tells you what she learned by reading the men's column in FHM in your ear in the sack and wants to experiment)
Sure, it takes a little time, but its not beyond reality. In fact, if and when she falls for you, I guarantee much more devotion that you could ever believe. This is a land of romance, even at both levels of the social spectrum! I get gifts all the time, cards, free dinners and thoughtful praise. Compare that to your average street strumpet.
I don't know about you, but after a couple weeks of rhythmal grunting between the sheets you need a little more intellectual stimulation than just bar talk. Maybe you don't and I wish you well, but at least look before you leap guys!
For those of you in town for short periods of time and want to make a quick sperm deposit, I commend you and offer you the following suggestions:
Air Force One in Paranaque has good selection, but the women there have been spoiled by Japanese and Korean clients and think they are prettier and more sexy than they actually are. I find better quality from most chicks on Burgos in the sack dept, but AF1 has better lookers in the face department.
Skyline Massage has a great fishbowl to pick from if you come early, wait too late and you can get leftovers.
Stay away from streetwalkers, they can be very dicey with regards to the health quality of the product they are serving. If you like gifts that keep giving, be my guest. I personally don't like Russian roulette.
If transvestites are your game, the street behind the Manila Pen (the one on the entrance side) is full of them 2 blocks toward the Burgos direction after 9pm. Not my bag, but there are some lookers out there after 12 when I used to drive back home. This town has an astonishing amount of gays for some reason, which I suppose is societal acceptance. Anyway, if it is for you, that's the place.
Burgos is fun, with Flamingo being the best price to quality ratio. Yes, Billboard has the lookers, but along with that the attitude and high prices. If you have a few drinks in Flamingo with the girl, the barfine drops. Ask mamasan there after you have bought a few drinks. Of course, if you are the sort that walks in, and demands a girl in 5 minutes after arrival for take out, then you get the bar fine. I normally pay around 1000p, how about you?
High Heels down toward Jools on Burgos has some quality leg, but they are too pushy with the drinks. When they push on you, just pull your receipts out of the jar and ask for the check. That normally shuts them up quickly and the waitresses recede into the dark.
Personally, I love Boracay, but bring your own women. There are just too many stories from my friends being pickpocketed and / or just plain robbed in their room from some of the fine lovelies you can come across in Cowabungas and the Pier there. Bring someone you trust, and have a great time. It is indeed a beautiful place and well worth it for a weekend.
Hope this clears things up, and Good Enough, you are a genius dude. I hope to meet you soon here after reading your posts for months.
Ricksan
GoodEnough
03-27-05, 20:37
Great post man. I agree with every point you make. In fact, I have noticed somewhat of a predictable cycle with guys who live here. That is, when they first arrive, most guys (myself included) cannot believe how much available pussy there is in one place, and begin to sample as much and as many and as frequently as possible. A couple of months of this however, and the whole thing starts to get a bit stale, and guys start to long for a partner to whom they can actually talk and with whom they enjoy spending time outside of the sack. This is when they start to discover the "good filipinas" to whom you refer in your post.
Everything you say about Manila is equally true of Davao, where I live, and probably for other cities as well. The fact is that being loved by a dedicated, smart, educated filipina is almost a zen experience and one that I would heartily recommend for anyone coming here for more than a couple of weeks. Most of the longer term expats I know feel this way, and would not trade places with anyone. They're just too content.
If you're going to be in Davao, let me know and we can get together for a beer or whatever. I'll send you a PM the next time I plan to be in Manila which should be within the next couple of weeks.
GE
Ricksan,
Your post is very simply outstanding and I do not know how it could have been said any better. What an outstanding amount of information you have provided our fellow brothers and i am sure many will put it to good use. Again thank you for such a well written and informative weath of information! A toast goes out to you!
GE,
Thanks for your response. After reading the threads in most of the Philippines area of the board for almost 2 years I see the same themes over and over. I couldn't help myself finally and posted just to clear all the rumors.
The posts fall into the same areas constantly:
1. Where do I get laid?
2. What hotels can I trust?
3. What is the shortest distance on the map between the International Terminal to the puss of my dreams I have been hearing about?
4. Is the quantity true, based on what the 5000 other guys have already contributed to the board?
5. I found that she (read as the street strumpet they picked up the first night, in either a bar, mall, on the street, taxi, bathroom, fell out of the sky in their lap, etc) was uneducated, ripped me off because I was naive, spent too much, was from Mars, etc.
6. Cant believe the postings of guys like you in the board, even though there are thousands of them, they must be all false.
7. Are too blind to read and belive all the other posts in here.
My thoughts on these subjects lead me to believe that people reading the boards really dont read at all, or don't get it when after all the rants, raves, etc. there are on here to convince them, they act like they (the poster) are the first person on the planet to ever find out about filipina muff, or we all lie to them as a hobby.
I wonder how they made it to the net to begin with. Each week there are tons of postings on here, and they still ask the same questions over and over like its not to be believed.
Then, when they get here, and most of them want quality, they end up missing it by picking up a girl thats dumb as a box of rocks and get jaded by day two. I just shake my head with the logic. Why rush? And at least if you plan out wanting to come over here the first time, do your homework for christ sake!
Now I will be the first to agree that the average western male is completely fed up with the Brown / Vassar educated set that lives like their puss is the temple of gold and males should bow at their feet! Womens liberation of the 70s ruined the US, and it spread to Europe quickly.
Ask most Philippine destined males what they really want and they admire the attributes of the girls here:
Quality muff.
A return to a simpler time, where women knew their role, being a lover, friend, confidant, etc. with an innocence of a Sandra Dee movie (no I'm not that old either guys). Its like a return to the 50s / 60s here though.
A woman that is confident being a woman, not proving she has to be a man and is happy with that.
Good family values in their mate.
Long term prospects in most cases. (And for those of you wanting just to make sperm deposits that is an easy commodity to find here)
I personally think we should just have a link on the board that you can click and download all about hotels, exchange rates, the taxi ride from the airport, what to bar fine, where to go, etc. It seems like 90 percent on the Makati board is the same things over and over. Hey, save them time with a one line link to the download, on to sharing adventures on our sport, eh?
The Manila board is 90 percent reports on LA Cafe (oh pleez can't we get creative, I know every mole on these chicks and their middle names by now). Guys there are hundreds of bars in this town, and lots of watering holes where the young panties abound in copious quantities. Work with me here, I feel like we are the sahara of sex sometimes.
Now most guys back home know how to find quality puss, so at least reeducating the masses on what quality is here shouldn't be hard. I'm all for good, hearty, wet, sloppy sex but I like em as fresh as springtime. Rent a holes are easy to find but hard on the mind and wallet.
Most of us have been down that route, with the constant text messages, the midnight phony rings, constant babbling about why didnt you call me every 3 minutes, etc. Save yourself the sanity. The girl that does this is the same one that if you marry will nag you till hell freezes over. Isn't that what you were trying to escape? Girlfriend hell back home?
If not, may I direct you to the local trailer park on a friday night (bring 6 cans of panty loosener and have a ball, save the airfare for more loosener).
I find the average Filipina to be a more complex creature than estimated in general on the board. Good for us, bad for them. They don't realize how they are in our sights most of the time, but most of you are jaded by the ignorance of the easy ones out there.
To me, its easier spending my time on the quality one, and less time on the painful ones. I would rather have them chase me instead of me putting up with their juvenile games. Hence, why I finally posted.
I wish you all well, and happy hunting for what you desire. GE, I have to make it down to Davao to see how things are, after the Abu Sayaaf response dies down.
Its a matter of time before they blow a few things up to payback for the recent prision massacre of their cronies to make a point up here. Of course assigning that Maria Ressa of CNN to a more fitting post (i.e., Afghanistan) would go a long way to calm westerners fears. That woman makes like there is an Abu Sayaaf behind every tree in Manila, which is NOT the case.
I commend the mayor of your hamlet. I think he gets the point about the whole situation and there isn't as much of a problem there as there is going to be here in the next few weeks, after the holidays and the troops go home, then the fun will begin for sure.
Ciao,
Ricksan
Ricksan: A nice eloquent essay. You seem to stress universities a lot, rather too much imho. To me, Atteneo etc are only into producing parasitic snobs who can share out the good jobs, power and influence between them. I would pity anyone who got stuck with one of those sheltered violets.
On recent journeys to that God forsaken archipelago, I have bedded several university students but, sad to say, my performance was not of its usual stellar quality. This is because I feel sorry for these kids and their families who are trying to do the best they can under the circumstances that the Atteneo etc leeches lay out for them. I am sure their families are more into fixing them up with a fellow leech than pawning them off to passing mongers like us who imagine we are hot shots.
There is no doubt that a guy looking for love should have the Philippines high on his list. But there is no free lunch there either. It is such a depressing, God forsaken place that you can only become a financial straw for these desperate people to grasp at. I personally admire them and marvel at how they can keep afloat there.
Prostitutes are, to use the cliche, fallen women. Guess all we can do is make sure they do not fall on us. I reckon the high TV/TS rate in the Phils is down to its desperate situation as well as to the fact that women hold the country's social fabric together.
I will be making a series of visits there over the coming months. The p4p ladies I have seen are among the best and cheapest I have ever seen. They will do till something better comes along. And that something is not a violet from the hothouse of Atteneo or De La Salle.
GoodEnough
03-28-05, 00:34
Ricksan: To me, Atteneo etc are only into producing parasitic snobs who can share out the good jobs, power and influence between them. I would pity anyone who got stuck with one of those sheltered violets.
Domino, I think your generalizations are way too broad and, for many such students, wholly inaccurate. "Sharing out" the good jobs and the power is more a function of the calcified social structure here than of university training. Your sweeping statement would also include those students...several from poor and lower middle class familiries...who perceive the value of tertiary education, struggle to pay the tuition, and are determined to forge better lives for themselves. I would bet that there are more in the latter category than there are in the "sheltered violets" category you mention.
I make this contention simply because I work with dozens of graduates from these institutions who come from modest families and have no inherent access to power or influence.The people of whom I speak---many of whom are women---achieved what they have strictly through their own capabilities and hard work. It's unfair to denigrate what they've been able to do by ascribing their achievements to family connections.
Having said this, it's true that 98% of the wealth of this country is controlled by about 2% of the population, and that the disparities between the rich and the poor are enormous. However, it's not the universities that perpetuate the disjuncture in status and power, it's the socio-political system.
:D
GE
ge / domino,
agreed that some of the college babes have an attitude here, but most of the time it is a front designed to keep you at bay. in other words if you are the kind of guy that looks like you are a lecherous hobbyist, then they aren't interested. these babes can be very astitute to that, which is half the fun.
you have to come at it from a different angle.
first, while it can be true they can be not as experienced in the sack as the average schoolyard variety burgos strumpet, remember they arent as experienced either. this equates to they can be very eager to please and you get to set your expectations.
they quickly rise to the challenge if they fall head over heels for you. this is a very accepting society and girls are taught to obey males, which means for you that quickly they will be even better in the sack with less chance of fatal flaws, disease, etc. than the average street strumpet. finesse is key, money is the death of these relationships.
i learned long ago that this country has a few major exports:
pussy
educated service talent (highest amount of nurses, accountants exported in the world).
bands and entertainment troupes (seen all over asia)
actors, actresses (bit parts in us and eu)
oh yeah, and beauty. (top ten beauty queen rankings other than us over the last 30 years)
did i mention pussy?
so don't think you can't find quality, it just takes time and a little patience.
the old "wad of bills around your crank" approach will not get you very far, though it does speed things up at greenbelt and burgos.
as far as attitude, well remember they can see through you if you try the following tactics:
my wallet is fat and i can spend money. they could care less because you will dump them, pregnant, alone, confused and having to explain to the parents.
mom and dad got that in their head early on that most westerners are pigs that will hurt them if they drop panties early. you have to convince them its their idea. 2 weeks at most and you are in good standing. one night and chances are they are freelancing, lied to you about their profession as college gal, etc.
my investment this weekend was a total of 1/2 order of pizza and walking around at the mall for 2 hours to get some fine sex. schmooze and you don't lose. most outside mongers here read about bar fines and they think everyone has a price tag, some girls dont, they just want some conversation. you can steer them to your abode for movies and cokes and then get in the panty unveiling mode.
some colleges here are the equivalent of high school. so when a girl says she is a student, remember that some of them are in tier c schools, way down the list of educational requirements of the tier a and b schools. tier a being delasalle and ateneo, tier b being up and ust type ones. from there it drops way off quick, also the girl attending tier c will most likely be from a non-manila area which means she is provincial, i.e., not worldly and potentially very catholic in upbringing. they wear uniforms at those schools, not the tier a ones, because the tier a want independent thinkers.
the real good ones have plenty of time and want to be in the sack, just that they want to be with a trustworthy guy. they are one hell of a lot better in the long run.
did the class queen back home at the top university drop her panties for money? hell no. dont expect any different here unless for some reason her parents really couldnt pay for school. they have pretty good programs here to subsidize when they need to for parents, kinda like an investment annuity, and it takes care of most needs. a top tier school girl wouldn't dream of turning tricks.
yes this is a two class society, filled with haves and have nots. ge hit it on the head that its the top socio economic tier that has the power. i have met them and know their attitude, as if they invented money in this country. the fact is they were real lucky and had grants from the spanish to get a head start.
anti trust laws are unheard of here, but a strong prime minister / parliamentary govt here would clean things up much like what they did in malaysia. most locals just throw their hands in the air with the problems and say "who can we turn to?". they are right, 3 edsa marches and countless politicians routed from office, a new consitution and still things are the same. crooked govt, payoffs, back door deals. dont blame it on the schools. it is at a much higher level.
the true elitist babes dont even go here for school, they go to stamford, harvard, u chicago, carnegie mellon, etc. directly from here because they are groomed from birth as a birthright they are expected to run multi billion dollar empires.
dont blame the schools for the social situation here, its the class system.
ricksan
GoodEnough
03-28-05, 10:13
Ricksan:
Well done and right on! The problem is, I think that (understandably) those who are here as short term tourists do not want to invest days, or perhaps a couple of weeks, in going after this type of woman.
GE and Ricksan (--san? is that Japanese?),
Great posts!
Anyone who doesn't invest a little time in the non- tourist/p4p scene is really missing something special about the Philippines. They are friendly and they speak English. I love Thailand, but the language barrier makes RP a better destination for me. Many of my best travel experiences and best photographs happened outside of the tourist/p4p situations.
GE: I dropped into Davao and "I shall return". I am on record here as saying they are the best looking hookers I have ever seen. (Ok if we exclude this Copenhagen brothel I holed up in the early 70s when you guys were still at mama's nipples; man that waaaas something). I can see why you guys would be so attached to the Philippines which I first visited in 1990 or so and which left a lasting impression on me. It is a great country and Domino might, in time, even relocate there. He will be spemding several months there over the coming year.
He will not be spending it with the Atteneo and De La Salle fakes. They are products of the Salesians and Jesuits, both of whom specialize in producing dimensionless fascists and justify their own moral hypocrisy by saying the pampered brats they spew out of their universities for snobs will change society for the better, in time. I, as you may have gathered, disagree.That is from my observances in Latin America and elsewhere where I saw the same snob factories produce the same dimensionless nothings.
My last night in Mexico, I took my ultra rich French Mexican gf out for ther afternoon. We spoke about French literature (which I love) and I used some of my elementary French which, being an inveterate snob, I also love. It was a wonderful afternoon, the type of weather where only a classy, slightly chilled white will do. That night, after a tearful farewell, I left her and went with my maid to a party in some slumland she lived in. (I needed an armed escort in and out). The party was for some old couple who had been married for about a million years. It was wild and great fun. It sprang from the soil.
Blood, music and tears. Give me a proper wine, a full bodied daughter, raven headed, full breasted molded from the soil with a butt handle worth grabbing. Spare me the anorexic zombies of the snob factories:)
GoodEnough
03-29-05, 01:21
thanks domino. i often disagree with your posts, but i do find them very witty, informative and sometimes hilarious. actually, while you were holed up in the danish brothel i was probably still in grad school, but i assure you i had been weaned by then. in fact. we're probably approximately the same age. be sure and let me know when you plan to return. it would be fun to argue the merits of jesuitical education while watching lovely young women take off their clothes here in davao.
it's true that you're not going to find graduates of atteneo discussing fleurs du mal with you any time soon, and that they probably think rimbaud was a character played by sylvester stallone, but i do not think you're using the appropriate standard of comparison. as far as i can determine, regardless of the tertiary institution, the whole western oeuvre, or maybe i should say western culture in general, is simply not taught here. literary analysis, textual exegesis, or analytical thought in general, is not highly valued, and the education offered here is more pragmatic, more utilitarian than in europe or the us, and it's much, much more superficial. local faculty are, in general, relatively poorly trained and teach curricula which are often outdated, egregiously incorrect, and in general very weak by western standards.
as to appreciation of wines, you can pretty much forget it. i have lived in paris for years, and wine has become an important part of my daily rituals. i've yet to find anyone here (aside from my girlfriend) with any knowledge of grapes whatsoever. the same goes for cheeses. this ignorance however, does not necessarily make the graduates of whom you speak "dimensionless," just contextually different.
this is not to denigrate the full bodied, hot blooded daughters of the soil of whom you speak. been there too. done that too. and i liked it as well.
ge
GE: Perhaps, as always, I have not explained myself clearly. Though I admire French culture, the main serving was my beloved Monique, the ultra and ultimate upper class lady. The trappings of literature, her delightful French grandmother, the trappings of inherited wealth and of fading French colonialism were only part of the attraction, part of the eternal mirage that is an upper class lady.She was the exquisite white wine - and 1930s' wines tend to be bloody expensive. But she was only an illusion.
Women are a bouquet; they are like a brandy one should swirl in a glass before drinking. Karl Marx, God rest his ignorant soul, referred to music as the brandy of the damned. He was, as ever, wrong. Women are the brandy of the damned. And give me a full blooded woman, not one of these imitation reds, these cuckolded strawberries that we daren't touch lest we bruise them.
Philippino universities, when all is said and done, are perhaps no more fraudulent than their Western counterparts; they have, of course, less resources to feed off. But it is the general society I am attacking, not the universities. Indeed, I spent some happy days in Baguio and some of that time was spent in a student internet cafe. The students there were sons and daughters of the soil. And Domino, like God in Genesis, saw it. And he saw that it was good.
So where does this get us? Keep the Salesian/Jesuit indoctrinated strawberries for yourself. Give me a warm blooded, hot headed, big bosomed, **** acting daughter of the soil to play with. And please, holy Jesus, protect me from being ever hitched up again with an upper class anorexic strawberry. no matter how genteel she may be.
GoodEnough
03-29-05, 05:58
Another excellent post, Domino. Maybe the women/wine analogy is appropriate. French wines, savored in France, with French food in the heady ambiance of a nice French restaurant are, to me, as good as it gets in life. Take the same wine, different company, different restaurant in SE Asia and different weather, and the wine doesn't taste as good any more. The "anorexic strawberry" thrives in this kind of hot house, which admittedly requires a sort of willing suspension of disbelief to enjoy.
Alternatively, the lusty earth woman so beloved of the Philippines and horny bastards like you and me would be at best a garish incongruity in Paris, or New York, or Rome, or wherever. She's more of a robust San Miguel beer, which tastes terrific in situ, but would not slide down well elsewhere. I think though, enjoyable as all of this is, it's no more "real" for you and me than the anorexic strawberry milieu. It too requires a suspension of disbelief. I'm trying really hard to keep it supressed as long as possible.
Just off the cuff mid-day philisiphical drivel, but fun nonetheless.
Ciao,
:D
GE
Long Stroker
03-29-05, 07:33
and I just wanted to compliment the truly excellent posting that's going on here. We all have different opinions, yet we can gather here on WSG in an effort to win converts and to vanquish non-believers. Domino and GE, you guys are great. It's really a pleasure to read one of your well-crafted posts.
Ricksan, you don't say much (only 4 posts) but when you do, you really open the floodgates! Slapping your balls on the table like that really helps make for stimulating discussion. Thanks for decloaking and sharing your experiences.
Having never visited the Philippines, I have no personal encounters to reflect on. I just wanted you guys to know that the time you've taken to post your thoughts is appreciated.
Ever notice how many words the French have for sheer elegance and nuanced passion? The Francophobes on this board really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, uncooth wretches that they are. So do the cheap Charlies, paying the barest minimum. There is a type of lady, one who is cultured, well dressed, well mannered and bred, who wears the finest brand name clothes (and wears them well) and bathes herself in the most fragrant perfumes, who is a joy to the eye as well as the heart and soul. For that lady, you should always keep your platinum credit card in hand. And be glad of the privilege to pamper her with whatever she wants.
There is your earthy Sam Miguel type, the honest, big chested wenches who are best taken in pairs (I am meeting stubborn resistance against 3 somes in the Phils). These ladies are also delectable though one would hardly want to introduce to the President of France, or your wife for that matter, on Bastille Day.
And then there are the anorexic Atteneo/ De La Salle strawberries. Which is what the French Revolution was all about in the first place.
France is, as well as being the center of the romantic universe, the maker of the world's best perfumes. Stop quibbling about hiring a hooker for a few pesos. Go out and buy the lady some good perfume.
Domino
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Vive l'amour;)
GoodEnough
03-29-05, 10:23
Et n'oublions pas joie de vivre! And of course, the French make the best wines as well, so put that on the platinum card while you're at it.
Well done Domino. Well done!
The Gratifier
03-29-05, 16:55
Ricksan, GE, Domino - Thanks!
Long Stoker, you beat me to it in your compliments to Ricksan, GE, and Domino. I am in the same boat as you also have never visited the PI so I can not contribute my experiences, but I can appreciate the stellar quality of the recent posts. I thank each of you for your eloquent and insightful contributions and enjoy being a spectator of the literary competition between GE and Domino.
Ricksan - Dude, your cogent summary of Filipinas was truly an afflatus, a devine inspiration. You should be proud. Further, it is testimony to powerful effect that one's words and actions can have on others, and in your case, the ramifications were very positive. Thank you.
my three cents worth on the subject of wine, women and song.
oh contrare, i would agree that while french wines have their bouquet, at least i can identify which vineyard grew those delightful grapes in an excellent napa valley wine, which i can't always tell in some of that ghastly pomerol they serve over there in the land of the pate.
the same goes for the women i have entertained in the boidoir during my short time here on planet earth. personally i love a lusty wench as much as the next man (or woman in certain circles), but the finer points of grooming, such as armpits and legs need to be considered in the francophile female.
those dainty lilies of the valley in the provincial countryside do give a hearty bellow when confronted with the likes of ricksan in the ole sack, but give me a doe eyed filipina with the promise of true lust in her eyes and the reality of a romp of their life, without the catholic voices in her head telling her its the wrong thing to do for the first time in her short existence here on earth... ah, the promise, the possibilities!
vive la france! but all bow to the filipina of your dreams, lads.
thank all of you for your praise and comments and i hope we take the board to a higher level of manuscript than the price of poontang on burgos.
after 58 foreign countries and a hell of a lot of brothels, i can attest that there is no equal to the lust of a filipina darling, properly trained and conditioned of course. it can be a lot of work, but has an extraordinary payoff for those willing to learn the ropes.
this thread explores the mind and soul of the classic filipina. i hope we can all learn more on how they tick, so we can find the easier ways to have them succumb to the sins of the flesh in marvelous ways, yet to be explored.
share stories, gain insight, and compare notes. one can only improve themselves and their love life by studying the mind (and of course body) of the young darlings of this country, and elsewhere of course.
parts of enlightenment are astonishment, illumination and insight, and not necessarily in that order.
continue the debates guys and gals, i love the discourse!
regards,
ricksan
My name is John Domino and I am a sexoholic. (Hello John). Here are my twelve steps. Perhaps you can help me:
1. The Japanese government has decimated the number of entertainment visas it will give citizens of the Philippines. Current visa holders will not be affected. Nor will those on short term yakuza controlled contracts.
2. Domino and friends are thinking of entering this market with a few pilot projects and any help or information would be appreciated.
3. We will begin by sponsoring, in a private capacity, Filippinas to fly to Japan and meet Mr Domino and his associates. This will entail Mr Domino forking up the readies to jet these ladies here and guaranteeing them their payment. (Domino is not into ripping off the poor; like the yakuza he only targets the rich).
4. If Domino does this through a company and not in a private capacity, he will have to guarantee sizeable, taxable sums of money. Domino does not believe in paying tax.
5. The current deal, as Domino understands it, is the ladies pay an agency 30k pesos and the agency fixes them up with cleaning or whatever work in Hong Kong or Singapore and, of course, rips them off big time.
6. Domino is not into that. He iseasily pleased and will be happy just to fuck them and the Lexus :( Japanese babes who are collaborating with him in this noble project.;)
7. Have these women a good work ethic? One reads of Sing. women beating up their Phil maids etc and one knows it is difficult to hire good servants these days. But one imagines, taking the law of averages into account, a lot of these women are simply dreamers and do not have a well developed work ethic.
8. One also believes many of these women are very naiive and cannot figure out that there is no such thing as a free lunch, that if they can earn 20 times more by working in Japan.HK/Sing, there is often a major catch to the situation.
9. This is a genuine request for information. Although I have some leads intpo the netherworld of Japan's night world, I am currently looking at bringing eligible young women to Japan as maids and basic English teachers and then allowing my associates, after I fuck them, to develop this into a fully fledged and somewhat honorable business.
Domino,
A lofty goal, entering a new line of business like that.
Considering your request, I would consider that a franchise agreement that you are actually looking for, or perhaps an import-export agreement.
However, looking back in my files, I found a handy contract that may help you in your situation. You can pay me back the next Friday night we are together by grabbing that rope and ringing the bell at my favorite Burgos bar with a hearty yee haa.
As promised, enclosed is a handy-dandy contract that will take care of your needs. (All virus free and tidy for her signature)
Consider it a gift from Ricksan.
Cheers,
Ricksan
(Attachment Bar Girl Service Contract)
GoodEnough
03-30-05, 04:50
Ah Ricksan, if you've not been with French women with shaved pits, then either you're hanging out with the wrong class of women entirely, you have not been in Paris since the liberation, or you took a wrong turn and went to Les Jardins Zoologique rather than Les Tuileries. I have found French wenches lustry and enthusiastic in the sack though not up to Filipina standards. Filipinas are, as you point out correctly the non pareils of lubricious sex, and truly beyond compare.
As to the comparison between such stellar Napa wines as Carlo Rossi, and Gallo, and actual French Cabernets, Pinot Noirs, Beaujolais, and the like, I can only suggest it's analogous to comparing Budweiser to Remy Martin XO. You can drink them both, but they sure as hell taste different. This is said of course facetiously. There are some truly great Ca. wines, and I've enjoyed my share. The problem I have is that the really good California stuff never makes it beyond the borders of California, while it's possible to get good, if not great. French wine almost anywhere.
Hello John. I know several young, attractive, sexy women here, waiting for Japanese visas. All of them have been there before, and all know what to expect. To date, none of them have received permission to go back and I doubt they ever will. Thanks to the moral majority in America, which considers fucking next to godlessness, the Japanese are really cracking down. This does not bode well for your venture.
My advice to you would be to hook up with a semi-reputable "recruitment/placement" company here. I could probably find you a few contacts if you like, as I know one lady who has been there six times.
GE
I checked out some more on this. No way of bringing unskilled pussy in except through the backdoor:(
GE: Please do not mention French wines in the same paragraph as Wallmart crap. Also, I do not think Ricksam got your wisecrack about hairys in Paris;)
"My advice to you would be to hook up with a semi-reputable "recruitment/placement" company here. I could probably find you a few contacts if you like, as I know one lady who has been there six times.: What do you mean by this?" Entertainers?
GoodEnough
03-30-05, 10:49
"My advice to you would be to hook up with a semi-reputable "recruitment/placement" company here. I could probably find you a few contacts if you like, as I know one lady who has been there six times.: What do you mean by this?" Entertainers?
Yup, entertainers. There are, in fact ways for these girls, be they domestic helpers or entertainers, or whatever to get the "certifications" now required by the Japanese, and there are agencies now helping the girls get the requisite stuff. That's all I meant. I happen to know of one or two of them here in Davao because I know a couple of women who are using the services.
I don't know much about the "backdoor" approach that you mentioned. There is a general panic here at some pretty high levels about what this reduction in the number of overseas workers will mean to the economy. The outlook is not pretty.
GE
GE: I figured there would be a lot of forging documents for a fee. Chcking out the visa section of the J Embassy in Manila, hey seem to be aware of that. But I went into Tokyo immigration today and no 4 year qualification, no visa. Entertainers are currently the only exception and the Japanese authorities wil clamp on that in time. I will check out agencies etc when I return to Manila in a few weeks.
Iwill pm you when I am next back in town. I might even make it back to Davao as they were cute.
4x2: Thanks for your offer of help but I think we have to review the situation back in Manila first. It is probably not a feasible idea to bring them here. They are all so poor and desperate. Even keeping a part time mistress in Manila sems a good idea until the family kicks in. I know this issue has been done to death on the Thai board but Thailand is financially miles ahead of the Philippines.
These ladies are good, nice, daughters of the soil and all the rest. But they are dirt poor and that unbridgeable void is there again. I just fuck them out of pity. I really think we have to keep distance between us and them. Maybe the frigid straweberries of Ateneo etc have the right idea.
Frequent Flier
03-31-05, 07:41
GE and Ricksan,
I really can't believe that the two of you missed the last main indicator of the girl’s true intelligence and place in society in the PI.
GE, I know you are wise enough to know this and Ricksan, based on your post you surely do know this as well. Domino, based on what I can tell of your style of mongering, which I admire greatly, you have probably not been exposed to this. Buy as always I am probably wrong.
Should I let you guys guess or should I lay down this one true piece of information?
OK here it is.
Does your Honey KO like to watch decent TV or when you walk in the room do you find her watching these crazy ass Filipino Tagalog movies that make absolutely no since. Not because of the Tagalog they speak, but because of all the crazy monster or demon costumes. Or the acting in the action movies and oh, the gun fights are a sight to behold.
I have watched movies in other foreign lands, where I could not understand one bit of the language and believe me it comes no where close to comparing to the PI contribution to the TV cinema.
And then there is one more?
Have you had a look in the girl’s closet or bathroom stash to find the growth cream that will increase you height, bust enlargement cream, skinny cream, scar removal cream or the whiting cream. I know I am missing a few here.
This is actually a trick question or statement I guess as it makes no difference. There is no difference in the social status as they all watch the Tagalog crap movies and have at some time another purchased the rose petal cure all concoction, along with some of the other crap mentioned above that you see advertised on TV out of Taiwan.
Guess the fact that I know so much about this stuff means I am in their class as well.
Oh well, when in Rome
FF
Women are right. Shopping is great fun. In America, Europe, ailses and aisles to feed dogs (instead of eating most of them),in Mexico makeup and in the Philippines, whitening cream. That stuff should be made illegal. Also lots of pharmacies (and bakeries). This means badly paid 20 year old babes are diagnosing illnesses and dishing out pills to deal with them.
Can't say I knew about ther growth cream (does it work on dicks?). But here is a puzzle: why are a literate people like the Phils into all that shit? It also makes you wonder about infection rates and stuff like that. There must be a large hidden population of HIV/syphilis/ God knows what people there. But maybe the creams work on them too?
Frequent Flier
03-31-05, 09:15
QUOTE=Domino]
Can't say I knew about ther growth cream (does it work on dicks?). [/QUOTE]
Hey Domino,
Your post reminded of a comedian I saw one night about 20 years ago. He was talking about the bid dick cream that you could rub on your dick to make it bigger. It would take about a month of daily therapy for the full effect to take place. He asked the audience. " Well, wouldn't it make your hand bigger too?"
The height cream is really a riot. Great trick photography or actually trick camera work. They will show a man or woman standing beside the interviewer. The interviewer is always a lady and she is always at least 12 inches taller. Then the vertically challenged person takes the cream and they do the one month later thing. When the person shows up they are magically 12 inches taller than the interviewer. The cream is to be rubbed on the shin area. Then this area of your leg will lengthen giving you your extra height. That is how it works according to the commercial.
Damn! Why do I know so much about this crap? Help!
Oh yea! It is really quite funny. The actors are all Taiwanese and that is where the all these commercials originate from. They are speaking Taiwanese but there is a voice over in English. Very amusing.
FF
GoodEnough
03-31-05, 14:31
I was recenty reading a book on the social history of the Philippines, hoping it would give me some insight into the culture here. I am, by training, a Sociologist, yet the more time I spend here, the less I understand the cultural/social dynamics of the place. So much for my motivation. One of the most valid points the author made was that Westerners typically believe that, because the Philippines is the only "Christian" country in SE Asia, and because the Spanish and then the Americans were here for a combined 450 years, and because people speak (sort of) English, then it must be fairly Western and thus reasonably easy for a Westerner to understand. What Westerners fail to understand, he says, is that the whole Christian/European pretext is a mere chimera; a thin patina overlaying a culture deeply rooted in mysticism, mystery and magic.
This may help to explain why even well-educated Filipinos are incredibly superstitious, believe firmly in ghosts and spirits, and accept as literal truth, totally non-rational apocrypha passed on for generations. My girlfriend for example, who is reasonably well educated, cautioned me once against eating chicken mixed with squash that had been prepared by the maid. She warned me it could make me ill; even deathly ill, as that's what her great grandfather, her grandfather, her father and her mother had told her. When I asked her why it hadn't sickened the maid, she told me it was because "the maid did not believe in it and therefore, could not be affected." It appeared however that because my girlfriend believed in it I could be sickened.
I am not a Catholic, in fact I'm not even a Christian, and yet I find I know more, much more about Catholicism, and the history of Christianity than the vast majority of Filipinos, who love the mystery, or the magic of it all, but who really do not know very much about the history of their religion. The Catholicism practiced here is adapted to the ethos of the place. Very evangelical, very non-traditional.
Now couple all of this sense of mystery and this acceptance of demons, ghosts and all manner of mystical creatures with an educational system that's the most poorly funded in SE Asia, and which discourages any form of analytical thought. A system that lacks text books for its students, paper, rudamentary learning materials, or even enough chairs for students. Add to that a virtually bankrupt government that simply cannot afford additional investments in health care, education or social services, and what you get is a culture which neither fosters much intellectualism, nor art nor alot of positive expectations.
This is a culture that nurtures fantasy, dreams, and the illogical. It's a country whose politicians have names like "Joker" and "Boy" and where many, if not most, of the population visits the cemetary on All Souls Day to commune with the spirits of their ancestors. It's why those "crazy" movies don't seem nutty to most Filipinos. It's the fantasy, the escapism, that allows them to retain hope in the midst of hopelessness.
This is my take on the place. I have no idea if this is accurate or just a paradigm that makes sense only to me. I do know that Filipinos are among the gentlest and warmest people I've ever met, and they deserve to be judged in a less harsh light than that provided by Western culture.
GE
Deep Diver
03-31-05, 14:55
I currently have a girlfriend that is 45 years old (10 years older then me in age and 10 years younger then me in bed. God what a trooper in bed. ) Anyway she has told me that she wants to get married but that she doesnt think she can have children because of her age. She has asked me to get a younger girlfriend and have a child with her. She knows that I really want children and I also want her. I am not sure if this is just some way to prove my love for her or if she is really serious. I have dated PI girls before and 99.999999% of them seem possessive to the point of being psyco. I am not sure what to do. She has named a few girls that she thinks would make good mothers and has even approached them, with a few saying yes (for a price, either money or employment ouside the PI) What should I do?
Okay, so we know that after 400 years of Spanish convent culture and 50 years in Hollywood these women in this country are confused, but jeez sometimes I think the mothership landed in the back yard and dropped them off!
Deep Diver: I think she wants you to have what you want, but isnt that strange? I mean who would have thought she would want you to be happy in such a way?
On other thoughts:
Why is it that the average Filipina is just so darn jealous? I find 90 percent of them quickly resort to knowing "all your business". It seems that you can't have a normal life without that lovely delight in your life snooping into what you may or may not be doing.
Do you think its insecurity or genetics? I find that most of these women are really insecure, but that's a result of a very paternal, male-oriented society. You only need to look as far as the help wanted ads, those that would make any Western HR manager croak, with advertisements like these:
Secretary Wanted
Must be 5'4 or taller, long legs, single, no kids, attractive, for special Executive Assistant position for CEO.
I can just imagine hearing some of the interview questions for that vaunted position eh?
Actually, this is the way the average secretarial position is advertised here, which anywhere else would turn your stomach. Hey, I guess if I had a chance though, it wouldn't be bad to have a lovely working as my gal Friday eh?
There is one at my office now that would make a blind man have a hard on, unfortunately she isn't my assistant! Time for me to run an ad i guess.
Anyway, i digress. Don't you guys and gals that deal with gals in all levels of society see the same things I am seeing? Are women that controlled that they put up with this in the culture, or is it just me?
Food for thought.
Getting back to jealous women, I find that the average Filipina has this streak (maybe genetic) that comes out as soon as you don't answer the cell phone in 2 rings, return a text from a business meeting within 10 seconds or less, or don't call her 3 times a day.
Perhaps Domino's analogy of the average Filipina has its merits after all.
Your thoughts?
Ricksan
Deep Diver
03-31-05, 22:05
I agree most of them are jealous. Point being I went to the store to get some food one time and the store is 5 minutes by car. I went there and back with 10 minutes at the store and in 20 minutes one of my Ex's called me 6 times.
Problem is she comes back for booty call every once in a while. (not that I am complaining)
I just am not sure if my girls for real or just testing me to see what I would do. I just never thought of a PI girl doing something like this.
GoodEnough
03-31-05, 23:56
Ricksan this is the mother ship. I'm assured, by guys I know who have lived here for years that the jealosy thing is hard wired into the brain of every Filipina. I've never seen anything like it anywhere else. Filipinas assume that it's the natural tendency of every many on the planet to chase as many women as possible, so they do what they can to protect themselves. It's rabid, and it's not fun to be on the receiving end.
Deep Diver: I agree with Ricksan. She can't give you what you want, and she does not want to lose you, so this is a practical compromise that probably could only happen here.
GE
So GE is a sociologist? No wondr he does not understand society. Sociologists study (sic) society from afar. They spy on the monkeys from a distance and try to get the monkeys to fit into whatever madcap theory they are currently squandering their lives away with. Anthropologists live among the monkeys and observe them, never asking the chimps whether they still beat their wives or are homophobic chimpanzees. They too have severe limits Economists, in contrast, know nothing about the economy but can sometimes give some good insights into the social make up of a society (much better, at least, than soci-ologists, who want to measure society with a mercury stick).
To say that anoyone is a Catholic is a meaningless statement. Most Italians, for example, have major problems with the theology(-ology) of the Catholic church but over 70% believe in the evil eye. Many of the dudes who post on the Thai board visit Bangkok's Biergarten where hundreds of cheap sluts hang out. That bar has some very nice Buddhist altars and the hookers maintain those altars, pray there and offer alms there every day. Same same with Thermae. I am not sure waht the Pope of Buddhism thinks of that.
In Melbourne Australia, to be a Catholic historically meant to barrack for Collingwood footy team and in Glasgow it still means to support Glasgow Celtic football club. The rantings of the moribund King of Rome and his lackeys have little to do with any of it.
One of the highlights of my trips to Thailand was to go on a motorbike with a hooker to her family home and meet her parents. I learned so much from her about them simply because she told me. On the way back ,we had to be driven by her 12 year old cousin who had a build like Mike Tyson. She did not want to drive home alone as she was afraid of ghosts or getting shot by a sniper. (forget the fact that the sniper could have whacked Iron Mike as well). So she fucked thousands of guys in Pattaya but was afraid of ghosts. I am sure she was a good Buddhist because Lord Buddha, like a pinch of salt, protects her from whatever.
In the civilized West, First Holy Communion time, Christmas and other stuff like that are prime time for hookers. They come out of the woodwork to sell themselves to buy their daughters Communion outfits and whatnot. Maybe think of that the next time you begin to fathom the religion of the Philippines, which came to them via Mexico where Our Lady of Guadalupe graces the brothels, serenely beaming down on the fornicators and promising, in silence, to deliver the ladies from evil.
As regards the American occuption and the support they give America: that seems a tougher nut to me. America fights wars the way the Yanks fought its civil war: destroy everything and everyone in their way. Perhaps the situation in the Philippines is so desperate they tend to forget, and even forgive.
One pertinent thing there is that the wretchedly poor do not have time for such mental meanderings. Simply surviving is enough.
The last granny I picked up in Bangkok, who was a great fuck btw, thanked me countless times for picking her up and she repeatedly explained to me that she was so lucky to have scored me, a meal ticket. We got talking and I asked her had she ever been abroad. She said yes to Singapore to her German boyfriend (so many of them have German boyfriends I often get confused). When I have these conversations, which is often, I always have one eye on this board. So I asked did loverboy send money or how much was she paid for the trip. She told me the amount, maybe 30,000 baht. She spent all of it on buying her son a new motorbike, which is fair enough to me but which would probably [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) lover boy off no end.
So, by all means study society as much as you will. But don't ever begin to imagine you can begin to fathom it.
GoodEnough
04-01-05, 05:38
Domino:
Sounds to me like you may have been abused by a sociologist as a child. We don't mess with monkeys (these are for primatologists) like some assholes (proctologists) and I do not keep a safe distance as this is for anthropologists, Everyone knows what sociologists do. We provide "acute comments" seeking to explain "social phenomona" with recondite statistical charts, flow diagrams, surveys, and other bells and whistles. And we're correct at least ten or twenty percent of the time under certain circumstances and if you don't listen too carefully.
The thing is Domino, no one expects to understand Thailand or Vietnam. Everyone knows these are impenetrable, (inscrutable?)"foreign" places. But alot of people expect to understand this place and they're amazed that this is as incomprehensible as the other places you mention.
GE
Lustforthrust
04-01-05, 06:17
One of the most valid points the author made was that Westerners typically believe that, because the Philippines is the only "Christian" country in SE Asia, and because the Spanish and then the Americans were here for a combined 450 years, and because people speak (sort of) English, then it must be fairly Western and thus reasonably easy for a Westerner to understand. What Westerners fail to understand, he says, is that the whole Christian/European pretext is a mere chimera; a thin patina overlaying a culture deeply rooted in mysticism, mystery and magic.
GE
Perhaps the author is ignorant or presumes Westerners are ignorant. Its pretty well-known that the Philippines is a 3rd world country and non-secular to boot. It along with the Malays, Indonesians & Bruneians lacks a written script. Before they were discovered by the Arabs & Europeans, there was no knowledge, no history and thats not too long ago.
I truely love this type of wanking discussion because occasionally a pearl of wisdom will bubble up from the festering stew of ego and rationalism.
Asking why from a western culture perspective about asian cultural behavior, then trying to map those behaviors onto western cultural norms is an approach that will likely fail because this is a prideful approach. With pride, somebody has to lose in order for somebody to win. Somebody has to be better. Apples onto oranges. Square pegs into round holes. Nothing positive can really come this way.
Now I'm not a student of any social science diciplines and don't have an axe to grind with any of them, either. It seems to me that some understanding might come by exploring the whats (what people do) and whys (why what they do is important to them), and doing so without the tool of judgement. Doing this without judgement is crucial. Judgement in this context is the act of comparison to one's own cultural norms. Call this technique immersion and absorbtion without judgement.
Granted, it's going along for the ride. It's an intellectually passive exercise. But when I've done this, I can, without really understanding in a way I can verbally explain, after I get into the groove, act like another. It's like wearing another's skin.
Is this helpful in fitting in? You betcha. Does it help with understanding? Hell yes. Is it an aid in comparing and contrasting cultural behavior? No. Does it work? Oh, yeah.
References: Joseph Campbell and "Using your brain for a change".
Robux
I brought a Japanese friend of mine to that movie when it first hit Tokyo. The movie ends with a big showdown: Irish Catholics v NY Protestants with the upper class WASPs calling in the army to mow everyone down, and the pig tailed, opium smoking Chinese saying: Please Holy Jesus, get us the fuck out of here asap". It is a great scene with the Catholics counting their beads and polishing their hatchets, the Protesants praying and sharpening their hatchets, the Wasps praying and loading their 45s, and the Chinese stuck in the middle. I explained to her that those actions were all integral parts of their respective religions and she brought the matter up many times later in the love hotel around the corner. (I tried putting Crazy JW on to this in the Japan- Nampa section but he is being uncooperative). I like Hollywood's spin of saying criminals built New York.
Point is: no one understands any society. George Bush senior, when on the campaign trail, went into a supermarket. But he did not know what people do there as he had never been in one. Robert McNamara says someting similar about JFK. How can foreigners understand an Asian country when they cannot even understand their own?
Of course, I have to agree with Robux as I don't want his fellow club members coming after me:) We are in no position to judge anyone. Well, all of us, except me. I admire mothers who prostitute themselves to put rice on the table. I pity young beauties who are fucking their youth away instead of hooking up with a good, upstanding citizen like
John T Domino
Robux: square pegs into round holes. I like that, even if my peg is not square.
GoodEnough
04-01-05, 11:05
Perhaps the author is ignorant or presumes Westerners are ignorant. Its pretty well-known that the Philippines is a 3rd world country and non-secular to boot. It along with the Malays, Indonesians & Bruneians lacks a written script. Before they were discovered by the Arabs & Europeans, there was no knowledge, no history and thats not too long ago.
Member, you're actually wrong on all counts. The Philippines is a secular country, not a theocracy. There's no state religion and it's constitution guarantees religious freedom. And what ever gave you the idea that Bahasa Malay, Bahasa Indonesia and Tagalog are not written languages? Nonesense. Malay is actually based on Sanskrit, and is probably significantly older than English. Indonesian is a direct derivative of Malay.
Robux, and interesting point of view. I doubt that immersion and absorption without judgment are possible, but it's worth a shot.
GE
I would tend to disagree with that analogy. I would agree that the Philippines is 90 plus percent Catholic. (Thank the Spaniards conquering the masses and research the Karl Marx quote "Religion is the opium of the masses" to gain insight on that phenomenom.
Hey, we can blame the Spanish for everything, almost! However when the Spaniards sailed into Manila Bay the first time, there was a Malaysian/Indonesian (predecessor, it wasnt a country yet) warlord (Datu) that basically had his say so here in the small hamlet that was Manila at the time. However, he had never seen cannon and was routed out in about 3 days. The Chinese wanted to trade with everyone, that's what they do, much like Jews they are shopkeepers, however everyone hates someone making a buck off someone elses misery, so they were the black sheep of the country and still relegated to the back burner of power and prestige here. Sucks eh?
The Spaniards pacified the masses with working for them in bondage, stealing whatever resources they could, using human capital to make dubloons for them from the mined Mexican gold, and having a ball with their women along the way. Oh yeah, and introduced Catholicism to keep them obedient and pacified, kinda a tradition that endures to this day.
Ok, so the US gets the country as a war prize from a fabricated war (Remember the Maine was a farce cooked up for interventionism in Central America) against the Spanish in those parts. Then the US comes over and tries practicing colonialism. Here you have a pacified group of locals and scary white guys come in thinking they are going to have a British type colony.
Sure, they put in a legal system that kinda made sense, school system modeled after their own, medical system, etc. but wasn't that really for their investment so they could have worker bees being more productive with less down time? They constantly had to deal with revolts from the masses and decided that it was time to go home after WWII, when they had spent a lot of money on a war and didn't see the value of rebuilding a colony that was basically in ruins from US and Japanese battles. Nice guys eh?
Land ownership rights? Oh, missed that one for sure. Leftover Spanish class system? Who cares, let someone else deal with it. The foundation for future monopolies, oops.. forgot that one too. But we will keep the prime real estate for bases (kinda reads as an I.O.U. for what help, cough cough) the US gave them. Pinatubo blows up, perfect chance to leave town and let someone else clean up the toxic byproducts of fueling ships, running motor pools and stenching the air in the bases for the last 90 years. Where was the EPA inspectors when the bases were turned over, eh?
As far as religion, I would say that there is a rather large influential group of foreign churches that either help the local population in various ways through the non-governmental organization concept (NGOs), helping the blind, keeping the really impoverished from starving, bare subsistance sorts of stuff.
The country accepts and welcomes those religions that try to help, but its always an uphill battle in a country of 90 million folks that have a majority above a minimal poverty line.
You could go about 5 miles from where i live and see a major Mormon tabernacle (im not Mormon by the way), several Christian churches and Methodist, Baptist and other religious demominations represented here. They all do good things, however the collection plate never brings in enough dough to do it for everyone.
I would say its a broad statement to say that the Philippines are secular. Its more that the Catholic religion is really entrenched and they actually do tolerate other ones. Its unfortunate that whover cooked up the map in this country didn't realize that the southern end of the company is more like Indonesia than Spain. That's half the problem, and the Catholics had a 450 year head start in getting in people's heads.
Ricksan
Ricksam: An excellent, concise history lesson. But what about the coconut billionaires, ie the Ateneo/De La Salle leeches and their anorexic off spring? And are there any women there really worth bothering with? I did awhirlwhinnd tour there recently and my email is overwhelmed with requests for money. Unlike the Thai requests, these are not sluts, yet. But in a country where the leeches leave only crumbs for the rest, it is hard to do anything else.
We have to put it in perspective.
We all are walking ATM machines, just in varying degrees. You most likely more than me. My middle name is cheapbastard lol. Even cheap Filipinos cringe at my negotiating skills. After all, I have to keep them honest as much as I can :).
At least in Thailand they are more direct in their approach. You know where they stand, because its all business. You make a transaction (pussy) and they hold up their end of the bargain (take you for as much moola as they can).
Remember, a Filipino would never club you over your head and steal your money. They would rather sneak if off you a peso at a time. They have all the time in the world to do that, haha. They are like the infamous Star Trek Borg in figuring out ways to separate you from your pesos, if you let them.
Ricksan
Lustforthrust
04-02-05, 04:32
Come on GE!
Japan, India Israel & the PI are all secular countries. Surely, there's a difference?
I wouldn't call Japan or India "non-secular" but I would the PI - you get the drift? Needless to say, theocratic States would be Iran and the Holy See. Pakistan, Iraq, Kuwait are "Islamic" (neither "theocratic", nor "secular") states. Turkey is a secular state.
"Non-secular" = theocratic, not my defintion. Maybe yours.
All Roman languages are based on Sanskrit. English uses a Roman script. Bahasa is "language" in Sanskrit. Can you show me the WRITTEN Bahasa for Malay/Indo/Bruneian? Does the Philippines have a script? NO! It uses ROMAN script!
Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, and the Philippines use Roman scripts.
Pity you haven't figured this out after years of living in the PI and SEA?
Nonsense? Perhaps the author was right afterall, his book was aimed at the ignorant masses in the West!
Lustforthrust
04-02-05, 04:51
Which brings me to my point about history & knowledge. These nations could not have documented and evangalized/propogated knowledge even if they wanted to, until they were found by the Europeans. Once found, the colonizers did this for them.
Again for comparative purposes. Both the USA and Israel are secular states. Of the two, which one is more secular and less religious?
Fastpiston
04-02-05, 09:00
There seems to be a tendency to get derailed from the objective of this board. Please focus on Filipinas rather than monkeys and religion.
MasterBlaster
04-02-05, 09:03
Come on GE!
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All Roman languages are based on Sanskrit. English uses a Roman script. Bahasa is "language" in Sanskrit. Can you show me the WRITTEN Bahasa for Malay/Indo/Bruneian? Does the Philippines have a script? NO! It uses ROMAN script!There was actually a Philippine script that existed prior to the use of the Latin characters. The scripts were later translated to the closest Latin sounding characters during the early Spanish colonization period. The old language just died slowly afterwards. The local character 'NG' actually emanated from the old scripts and it did not emanate from Latin (coz you can't really find a sound in the Latin character set to match it.)
Fastpiston, Although I can empathize with you, it really depends what focus you want. Do you want a narrow shot or do you want to capture a more complete picture? I personally find some of the quasi racist stuff interesting for my own perverse reasons ( Thank the Lord that we have got, the gatling gun and they have not). I am nearer Robux on my personal hands on approach than most others. I also find Ricksan aka Cheapbastard's comments about a peso at a time and not mugging you interesting, even if I prefer to exercise caution.
As I will be spending increasing amounts of time in the Phils, I appreciate eclectic soundings and so I don't mind people going on about Sanskrit.
If we compared this thread to the American Women thread, I would have to say there are, at least, some granules of sense here; there are none in the AW thread.
I think these women threads should be looked at as op eds with a rather wide mandate. Otherwise we just talk the 3F dogma. And Samus Aran in Thailand has the franchsie on that one.
I was over at Podium mall in Ortigas tonight. Had a wonderful time with the lovelies at the perfume kiosk there. Young, attractive, single... did i mention single?
There is something about those gals in the A line dresses and the heels that makes an old horny bastard like me get a boner. Best part is, they spoke fluent English too.
Hey, 30 min conversation and free advice on Filipinas. Girls here are a wealth of information on other girls, as long as it isnt them, they just gab away. I had 3 phone numbers by the time our little swaree was over.
What was my investment? A little conversation, a few jokes. Don't have to worry about my crank falling off after doing one (or more) of them.
The 3F crowd would have real issues having to engage in real talk, rather relying on the money doing the talking. Considering some of the photos i have seen posted, there aint enough Cialis or Vitamin V for me to plonk some of those cuties in the low rent district.
Of course another great place is sporting goods stores. I find gals there tend to come from athletic backgrounds (well at least here in Manila) so if you like a little hardbody, not a bad place to strike up a convo for sure.
Ya know guys, this could be a turning point for you. We should have a contest sometime when you are in town. We put together a pot of money, and find women in strange venues and bring em back to a party at a central location. 24 hours to snag em and shag em, winner take all. Maybe we can beautify this board for a change haha. The one with the best looking one with the lowest investment wins. Ill even let ya have my runner up in the looks and cooks dept, what cha say? GE would prob kick my butt in this competition though, he has a head start and probably a stacked deck already :(
Good idea?
Ricksan
Marconista
04-02-05, 21:42
Not a bad idea Ricksan, but before we go ahead with this, I think you should post some of your personal pixs of ladies you have encountered in RP - for us to believe in any of what you are saying.
And - you post about GE? I can not remember to have seen any pix posted by him in this forum, ever.
Get serious - dont challenge anyone on photocompetition or beauty - as there for sure are members here that challenge you, for sure. Maybe not me - as I like the natural pinays - not the ones looking chinese or spanish. Some of those that the pinoys or asian fancy, I find ugly. Those I can get in Europe and China. You know - it depends on our origin - but we all have different likings.
Have a nice stay in the RP.
............
Considering some of the photos i have seen posted, there aint enough Cialis or Vitamin V for me to plonk some of those cuties in the low rent district.
.....................GE would prob kick my butt in this competition though, he has a head start and probably a stacked deck already :(
Good idea?
Ricksan
The Gratifier
04-02-05, 21:54
Ricksan - You greatly impressed me with your earlier "Good Filipina, Bad Filipina" tour de force post. I was enlightened, encouraged, enthralled, and humbled by it and the subsequent repartee by GE and Domino that followed on this board because of your post. I feel it very safe to assume your taste in women is as refined and exquisite as your posts.
Since I have not posted photos, I can not complain about my disenchantment with the Photo sections. However, I will say that after reading posts in Asia and South America, I get excited about going somewhere, that is, until I click on a photo then change my mine and itinerary.
As I have mentioned previously, I have never been to the PI. However, I shall accept your wager with two provisions. First, I am not a rich man, and earn a mediocre salary, but I am 'inveterately" (thanks Domino) implacable so I will shell out handsomely (suckerly?) for the right woman. So, within reason, I don't think money should be an object for this contest. I think we should attempt to ferret out the finest with cost being secondary. A post hoc analysis of the quality / cost would provide readers with some indication of the 'value'. Which begs the questions: "Am I getting hosed for getting hosed?" Second, I would request a 48 hour timeframe, since for my first day I expect to be taken fully advantage of and ripped off multiple times the first day before the learning curve kicks in :). I say, let us make life an adventure. Hope to meet you in May.
GoodEnough
04-03-05, 02:21
Ricksan:
An excellent idea. Unfortunately, I cannot participate, because after years of skirt chasing here and elsewhere, I'm in a more stable relationship now. On the other hand, I would not mind being a neutral observer, or even a judge! I will be in Manila next week, so if you want to get together to refine the contest rules, let me know.
As to photos, it's true. I never post them, rarely take them and even more rarely look at them on this board. I understand other guys like them, but it's just not my thing. I try to contribute in other ways.
GE
I'm no expert on this subjct but master blaster is right regarding an indigenious Philippine language. My knowledge in this matter comes from a Filipino Grand Master in their Martial Arts,(Arnis or stick fighting among others) his black belt is covered with characters and letters that spell out his expertise and give symbols of weapons he is a master of (Beleive me, this guy IS a true master!!!!).
Anyhow, the script contains 17 letters and symbols, it looks close to Hindi but some symbols look chinese. According to GM, this language was practised ONLY BY A FEW TRIBES in the central Visaya's whom the Spanish encountered. It probably spread from Indonesia, which had a strong Hindu Influence (Bali) 'Ang Spana' quickly banished it and outlawed it as this writting was often engraved on shields and was used by the Warriors to boast of their victory, their skills and opponets they had vanquished in ritualized combat.
However, the writting was kept alive in secret along with the fighting skills passed form father to son.
I have a belt which spells out my name in this language, only nine characters to spell out my given westernized name which has twelve letters.
Also, I have heard that some of the tattooing on Ancient Filipinos was a form of writting, some of this tatoo writing is becoming popular in certain quarters with young college afficionados here in Davao.
Bit of trivia I know but interesting.
GoodEnough
04-06-05, 06:07
I know this is quite a bit off the most recent subject, but it does say something about this place. I read articles today in two local papers here summarizing a UN study on child pornography in the Philippines. Among the many conclusions of the study, according to these newspapers, is that prostitution in general is the fourth largest contributor to the GNP of the country. It's been oft reported that the second biggest contributor is the collective remittance of overseas workers. If you couple that fact with the prostitution conclusion, then you've got to ocnclude further that a large portion of the entire GNP is comprised of sources that are totally unrelated to the agro-industrial complex of the country.
I do not know quite what to make of this, but it sure does not bode well for economic growth or sustained development any time in the near future. Not when prostitution is one of the high growth sectors of the economy.
GE
Measures of GDP are mercurial. Do the gangsters who run the Phils have an agro-industrial complex? It seems to me that they concentrate on exporting people on the hoof, building condos to shake them down when they come back, paying off the military and all other sources of power and producing service industry slaves to keep the people on their knees; this penchant to be on their knees would help explain why the sex idustry is so big there.
I laos doubt that prostitution is a growth industry there; it is low end stuff with not much else availalbe in terms of cash flow.
I would appreciate it if you could post the reference to the report you cite. Although The Phils, being poor, will always attract the worst in society, the same as Thailand or Cambodia do, I think anything the well fed cats of the UN say has to be read with caution. The UN are the same animals who fuck kids in the Congo for a slice of bread. Koffi Annan, their boss of bosses, merely flits round the world (he is now attending the Pope's jamboree), whispering platitudes and living the good life. He is married into the Wallenberg family, Sweden's richest. What would he know about anything?
GoodEnough
04-06-05, 11:29
okay domino, since you asked, here's the article, in its entirety:
study finds prostitution in rp fourth largest source of gnp
april 5, 2005
prostitution in the philippines has become a multi-million dollar industry and is now the fourth largest source of gross national product, a report on child pornography said tuesday.
commissioned by the united nations children's fund (unicef), the report, child pornography in the philippines, said new technology such as the internet has taken pornography to a new level that is much harder to detect.
it said poor, developing countries like the philippines have now become major centers for the global sex tourism industry where women and children are exploited.
the report said the growth of prostitution in developing countries is "inextricably intertwined with sex tourism."
and it added that a study by the psychological trauma program of the university of the philippines found that prostitution has now become the fourth largest source of gnp in the philippines.
the report's coordinator elizabeth protacio de castro of the center for integrative and development studies at the university of the philippines said: "we have only started to scratch the surface of child pornography in this country."
at a press conference to launch the report she said the philippines had now become a major attraction for "****s and perverts" who prey on children and are involved in the production of child pornography.
"we know child prostitution exists in the philippines but what we don't know is the extent of child pornography," she said.
"while some data is available it may not reflect the real number of children being victimized by the child pornographer," she said.
data from the department of social welfare and development shows only nine children were victims of child pornography in 2000 compared with 13 in 2003, while the number of children who were victims of child prostitution numbered 186 and 247 for the same years.
de castro said the aim of the report "is to address the lack of information" available on child pornography in the philippines and to "address issues about such things as the laws protecting children."
the study, carried out last year, said the advent of the internet, mobile phones, and digital camera had made the work of the pornographer easier while making it more difficult for the authorities to detect.
de castro said the attitude of local internet service providers would have to change if child pornography is to be tackled in the philippines. she said every single isp approached for the report refused to be interviewed.
"digital technology, with its obvious attractions for children, often facilitates recruitment of kids into these practices. it can also be seen as a safer form of prostitution," said unicef's country representative in the philippines, nicholas alipui.
as to the agro-industrial complex, of course there is one. agricultural exports are still the country's number one foreign exchange earner, and processed foods, plywood, and other processed raw materials have found some pretty good markets in japan and china.
i can't comment on your remarks about un folks except to say that they're a pretty mixed bunch. i've met some who are sincere, highly intelligent and hard working and others who conform exactly to the stereotype you paint. given the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of america being led by bush and his cronies, i just cannot get too worked up about the un.
:d
ge
http://www.childprotection.org.ph/monthlyfeatures/archives/mar2k5b.html
Here is another thing this pathetic parasite, De Castro, wrote. Conflict resolution in the family, by Save the Children. Parasites at best!
Her information on the Phils seems bs. Of course, amateur porno is booming with digital advancements but I bet no ISPs would talk to here because they regarded her as a parasitic idiot. Just like UNICEF, her sponsors, who made a fortune out of the recent tsunami. Why are Unicef collecting money and freezing out legitimate charities anyway? Big pension payouts to fund for the fat cats, I bet.And to pay glorified hookers like de Castro.
Here follows some comments on this *****. The tragedy is that parasites like her and many other parasitic NGOs do more harm than good. They use the poor and exploited for their own selfish reasons.
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Sex tourism is a minimal part of the sex industry. But it makes good headlines or good copy for nothings like Ms Castro.
The Philippines is a secondary, not a primary destination. Just check the posts here and compare it to Brazil or Thailand where sex tourists are a tiny, albeit highly visible part of the scene. Maybe give the ***** the url.
If she has only begun to scratch the surface, how does she know most child predators are going to the Philippines and not, for example, Cambodia?
She admits she has not the figures. The least she could have done is check in with the cops/Interpol to get them.
(Child) pornography needs major logistical backing to do it properly as California's San Ferdinando valley attests. Where are these facilities in the Phils and why no police raids?
The Phils was a notorious place for child prostitution during the 1980s. Has all that documentation been lost/not updated?
The numbers quoted, though bad, do not support her hypothesis that the Phils is a hotbed of child sex exploitation.
De Castro said the aim of the report "is to address the lack of information" available on child pornography in the Philippines and to "address issues about such things as the laws protecting children." But this is what she was paid to do and failed to do. She is a parasitic fraud.
The study, carried out last year, said the advent of the Internet, mobile phones, and digital camera had made the work of the pornographer easier while making it more difficult for the authorities to detect. Was she paid to say this shit?
I had hoped to get some pertinent information but I know better to look towards UNICEF or other criminal organizations. The sexual exploitation of children is a dsigrace but scum like her, to say nothing of the Unicef criminals, only aid and abet it.
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processed foods, plywood, and other processed raw materials: these are evidence of the lack of an industrial complex and evidence that the Phils is run by a kleptocracy, which is why so many of them have to work overseas when not spreading their legs for their mostly domestic clietele.
De Castro belongs on her knees. Giving blow jobs to everyone her bs offends would be good for her and would clear out the cobwebs in her tiny brain.
GoodEnough
04-07-05, 00:39
Domino, the next time, please don't hold back your opinions. Tell us all what you really think!
It's true that a large percentage of the expats here, and not an inconsiderable number of locals, work for NGOs on various "humanitarian" programs. Some of them are reasonably effective and others are pretty much what you claim them to be. I don't agree with tarring everyone with the same brush, but I sure do get your point. Of course, I find the various sects of holier than thou (white) missionaries who flood this place a whole lot more obnoxious than the NGO workers. They eat at the best restaurants, live in the best neighborhoods, drive lovely cars, while "subsisting" on contributions from church members. This pretty much sickens me.
My own opinion is that, on balance, most of the NGOs do more good than harm, though a good number do spend a hell of a lot of money and time "studying" things to death and then doing precious little to implement the results of their studies. I could, if I wished, spend my life going to the same sort of endless, rambling and pointless conferences and seminars that I used to attend frequently in the US. This week, for example, I was invited to speak at two of them. I declined both invitations.
You're also correct that the major problems with this place are structural and historical. There's an oligarchy that runs is without regard, for the most part, to the welfare of most citizens, and corruption is rampant. I don't know that it's ever going to change. There's so little invested here in public infrastructure--both physical and social--that the country seems to slip further behind every year. It's depressing and, in this respect, not all that different from most of Africa. The range and depth of problems is so overwhelming that it's difficult to see any light at the end of the tunnel.
At the end of the day, I suppose it doesn't matter much if you're right or wrong about de Castro. Prostitution in and of itself is not the problem. This is a country in which the economy cannot or will not expand quickly enough to provide meaningful employment to most people and until that changes, and until there's some sort of true national commitment to the eradication of corruption, things will probably continue to deteriorate.
GE
given the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of america being led by bush and his cronies, i just cannot get too worked up about the un.hmm, well i dunno ge, i can fairly be described as one of those cronies. but still, best regards always.
wastrel
Although NGO and religious fraudsters are a world wide phenonemon - stay away from the 419 scammers as they can be nasty and violent btw - there is something really wrong with the Phils, which is pockmarked with churches of all kinds. I note your comments about the large number of parasitic missionaries and that NGOs quasi gangsters hijack so much of the national pie. I am currently reviewing application grants for good and honest friends of mine in the Phils and the skewed terms of reference really show what a wasted effort it all is.
And as for Rizal, the national hero, whose name is everywhere. That strikes me as another fraud. After the Spaniards executed him, the United States took over and really fucked over the place, killing 200,000 Filippinos in theprocess. That was hardly a great national Filippino victory, so why honor him so much if not to raise more smoke, mirrors and confusion?
It seems to me that the kleptocracy who rule the place (Gloria, I think, is the only Asian head of state going to the Pope's jamboree/fuck in in Rome) have their act pretty well together: a little bread, some circuses and lots of religion to bamboozle the masses. If economic growth is the goal, there should not be much use for study, only implementation. Why so big an emphasis on the service industry? (nurses and the like). Part of the Catholic agenda of keeping them down trodden and servile?
Which brings us back to Filippina women and why we feel mostly sorrow for these women. Maybe Thai sluts are better after all. Horses for courses and all that.
Afernote on the papal fuck in: Yahoo have photos of the American delegation looking at the dead Pope. If Laura Bush and Ms Rice had any class, one at least of them would have stayed at home and allowed Jimmy Carter to go instead, assuming JC had nothing better to do with his time than fly half way around the world to view a stiff. Note also the photos of the cardinals, bishops and sundry parasites hovering around the delegation like so many flies around shit. We should also not forget the world's most intelligent people in all this: Bangladesh. They are sedning their disaster minister along to the gig. I hope he can shake down the fat cats for some money and that some of it gets to people on the ground.
...........end of rant................
GoodEnough
04-07-05, 05:43
Sorry Wastrel. I sure did not mean to get personal. And this is surely not the place for political diatribes at any rate. I did not mean to offend.
Domino:
It's nice to finally meet someone, even virtually, who is more cynical than I am. After all this time, I didn't think that was possible, but you win hands down. Amazing isn't it, that George can send the secretary of state and his wife to the funeral of an 80+ year old guy who died of natural causes, and cannot quite bring himself to send anyone to the funerals of dead US service people who died because of his casuistry. Oh well, here I go with the liberal democratic diatribe again.
I would guess that the reason so many of us feel at least an occassional sense of sorrow here is that the place could be so much more than it is. At this point, and for whatever reasons, I think that the US, through its various aid programs, is honestly doing what it can to help with the reform process, and to tell the truth, the US probably runs the best aid programs in the whole country--certainly the best programs in Mindanao and the most realistic.
:D
GE
Member #2718
04-07-05, 11:32
The report said the growth of prostitution in developing countries is "inextricably intertwined with sex tourism."
a study by the University of the Philippines found that prostitution has now become the fourth largest source of GNP in the Philippines.
God I hope so! ;-)
This article seems timely considering the current topic.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/04/06/news/phils.html
Marconista
04-07-05, 15:22
...........end of rant................
I hope so!
Long Stroker
04-07-05, 16:44
I hope so!
I disagree.
Me want more rant! You see, Rant = truth. Often it is only in the heat of the moment that a person really opens up and calls things as they see them. Refuse to engage in self-censorship. We're all free to speak our minds here, right?
X Man: Good article, especially the high infant mortality rates. Interesting too that a woman becomes President of a country with coconut billionaires. It feeds back into my argument that the Catholic church there and their Atteneo/De la Salle brain washing factories are a central part of the problem.
I signed up to filipina heart (sorry Jackson for mentioning this shady Australian based site, but you will see I am in the clear in a moment). I had to take immediate evasive action as I was swamped by Filippinas looking for a good, clean wholesome guy like me. It is a bad scene when one gets immeidately swamped by offers. Whether this is just an Aussie scam or a symptom of how desperate Filippina women are, count me out.
It would be nice to find a nice Filippina. But I would rule out anyone associated with the brain washing factories. And the rest have too depressing a background to even contemplate. Give me a coke swilling, hamburger eating, money guzzling American behemoth instead:(
...Give me a coke swilling, hamburger eating, money guzzling American behemoth instead...(You can certainly get that in the PI, if you don't mind your coke and burger babe weighing only 95 pounds soaking wet and used to thinking of US $2.50 as serious money. And they probably know the words to American pop music better than you do, and have followed every episode of the "Oprah Winfrey Show" with rapt attention, as much or more than the average US gal.
They love McDonald's in Manila, but I prefer their version, called Jollibee. I'll take a double yum yum, with cheese, please.
GoodEnough
04-08-05, 04:58
Did you know that (at least according to them) Jollibee outsells McDonalds in the Philippines? To me, the products of both are equally tasteless, but we now have a Jollibee in our office building in Makati and a McDonalds across the street. Talk about junk food heaven. What I cannot figure out is how all of the tiny women, most of whom do not weight more than kg. 40 gorge themselves at least once a day on cheeseburgers, fries and coke and retain their svelte little figures. I will swap the US alternative for this any day of the week.
One of the reasons that infant mortality rates are sky high here is the absence of prenatal care. It's available, at least in the cities, but people cannot afford it. A women in my office told me yesterday that most Filipinos do not have medical insurance, which is widely available through employers, because they cannot sustain the cost. "There are," she said, "other necessities like eating that come first."
Between Domino and Wastrel's posts, and my own ruminations, I'm getting depressed just being here!
GE
Long Stroker
04-08-05, 05:09
And they probably know the words to American pop music better than you do, and have followed every episode of the "Oprah Winfrey Show" with rapt attention, as much or more than the average US gal.
Intriguing observation, Wastrel.
The Oprah Winfrey Show is ground zero for the kind of feminist brainwashing of American women that has made countless American men seek sex and affection on foreign shores.
How is it possible for Filipinas to be exposed to Oprah's girl power message and yet still remain the caring, affectionate, utterly feminine creatures that they are?
They have a saying in Sri Lanka: the elephant appears different, depending from where your are looking. So the elephant, Oprah-itis, would look different from a fat American viewpoint, or a semi emaciated Filippina one. Women are into that shit, everywhere. Interesting that Oprah is such a weather vein here.
The Chinese graveyard in Manila teems with baby graves which is odd as they are supposed to be so rich. Post/pre natal care? Check out all the pharmacies, one to a block, with throngs of little teenage women diagnosing and dishing out pills. No doctors, no care, only prayer.
One the saddest things about LA Cafe is not so much the hookers outside as their pimps. Same same around Malate church. There is something wrong with seeings throngs of women, suckling babies in tow, pimping one of their own. Ten pimps (excluding the pimpettes) and only one pussy for hire. There is something comical, Crime & Punishment like, in seeing a monger being led off by a mini army of women and suckling children.
The burger chomping ladies probably stay thin as they run around a lot and probably eat nothing otherwise. A short time employee of mine in Bkk ate half an ice cream and put the other half in the fridge for later; an American behemoth would not do that.
Countries with the Hispanic touch seem to mix music, dancing and tears in a very melancholic way. Look at the amount of armed security guards the Phils has. How much do they add to GNP? And how happy are they to have a job, any job? Melancholy is the Philippino motif:(
Think I'll go out an score me a fuck;)
Lard festooned American women are just now figuring out a high protein, low carbo diet will cause them to lose that extra house they carry around with them. Of course they all flock like the proverbial herd of sheep to the latest Oprah-approved book signing to learn that. Losers!
Hey there are 2 Jollybees in the San Fran bay area. The Daly City crowd has to have that taste of home you know. :)
Who in their right mind would want a whiney, Oprah polluted, Brownette or Vassarette when you can savor the delights of a gracious LBFM. Womens lib, Oprah, sheep mentality, ignorant yupster feel good kumbala movements and the press have ruined American women. Now all they can do is boo frickin hoo and whine about how men don't understand them.
I have 3 cures for them:
Lose the career
Lose the attitude
Lose the panties
Filipinas hate vegetables and eat more meat than any group of people i have ever seen on the planet. Try ordering a salad here. It nearly kills them to serve anything in this society without slipping some sort of meat into things. Of course humping helps lose weight too! Hey, it just occurred to me, I like slipping meat into things too!
Hold my San Mig while i kiss yer girlfriend!
Remember all LBFMs run on rice and water, and we all know balanced a healthy rice and water diet is, eh?
Ricksan
Pinay Lover 2
04-08-05, 06:20
Hi all this is my first poat here.
For Domino,
If you are serious about finding a "nice" filipina I can help you there. I am married to a wonderful, graceful and beautiful filipina. I have know her 6 yrs and we have been married for almost 3 yrs. I am 44 and she is 26.
Back in my wife's hometown there are many wonderful nice filipinas looking for foreigner. Specially since my wife married me. If you are really serious drop me a line and I can help.
By the way this site rocks. I have learned so much here. Would love to put some of that knowledge into practice but don't know if I'll ever get the chance. Oh and another thing my wife know I come here all the time and it doesn't bother her. She just says if I catch you fooling around I'll cut it off. Need I say more!
Pinaylover
Don't get too depressed about RP, as a friend told me 5 years ago "you can't save them all". Be grateful that by your being there, some greenbacks are helping some of the folks there.
Someone lamented that they would like to find a nice (not sure if that was the word, just maybe the intent) Filipina. Well, there are millions of them there, just take your time. I found mine, glad I got off the mongering path, cause as luck would have it, the income ain't there for mongering anymore and it got old, at least for me. Ah, so why am I here? Well, reminiscing is nice too, LOL. I'm so desperate for a taste of RP that I'd settle for a week in MNL!
Just to get a massage at my favorite place and wander the halls of Robinson's Galleria and OK, maybe even a few days in Laoag and my favorite restaurants (grotty massage in Laoag tho, owned by the brother of the ex-Governor).
I do miss Davao most of all and my next trip will definitely have 3-7 days reserved for a trip there, despite wifey's (Ilocana) objections.
There are now ten Jollibees in the USA, all in California, suddenly up from one the last time I checked. I'm sure this has some kind of profound deeper meaning of importance to every man on this forum, but I have no idea what.
P.S. They also watch a lot of locally produced action shows in which men are men and women get rescued.
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Pinay Lover 2
04-08-05, 11:53
Hi all,
I posted my first post earlier but didn't see it so I'll try again
For Domino,
If you are interested in a nice filipina I can help you there. I am married to a wonderful filipina who has many friends. They keep asking me to find the possible husbands. These girls are very sweet, shy and good looking. If interested drop me a line and I'll see what I can do.
Also like to say this board rocks. I have learn so much here. What surprises me is my wife likes to see what goes on here, too. But she told me don't get any ideas. Anyway I'll try to add what ever I can from time to time.
GoodEnough
04-08-05, 17:18
This thread is getting positively existential and almost erudite. In fact the recent dialogues put most of the other threads and boards to shame.
Filipinos, I have observed, have four staples in their diets: rice, meat, noodles, and ice cream, all consumed frequently and in great quantites. These folks must have the metabolism of hummingbirds. The other thing I've noticed is that if you host a social function, regardless of the amount of food you provide, it will disappear in about 3 nano seconds.
Today, for example, I hosted a merienda at my office for a Filipina colleague who was leaving our company. I gave my assistant PhP4,000 (about $75) to order food. Now $75 here buys alot of local food, and the 30 person conference table was full of platters placed end to end. Virtually all of the food was gone, down to the waxed paper, in less than 30 minutes, including four huge tubs of ice cream. Remember that this was offered after lunch when, presumably, folks should have been fairly full, I never cease to be amazed that a 40 kg. Filipina can eat at least twice as much as I can in half the time it takes me to eat half as much food.
What a place!
:D
GE
Frequent Flier
04-09-05, 02:21
This thread is getting positively existential and almost erudite. In fact the recent dialogues put most of the other threads and boards to shame.
And you guys are keeping my Thesorass busy as well. Did I spell Thesaurus right?
Filipinos, I have observed, have four staples in their diets: rice, meat, noodles, and ice cream, GE
How about Mango? They do get some fruit. I love the powered mango drink mixed with Rum. Cheap Charlies drunk in the PI while playing golf.
FF
This seems to be the new buzz word.
Pinay Lover: Thanks for the offer. As a regular member, btw, your posts are delayed so you have to wait for them to be posted. I do not think it woud do your marriage well if this particular fox was let loose among those chicks.
Oprah: She and magazines like Cosmopolitan give out the wrong signals. I like true feminists, women who can stand on two legs not four. I also like bbw but that is another story.
It is refreshing to hear testaments praising ordinary women.
GoodEnough
04-09-05, 13:01
Favorite mango drink: 1/2 mango, equal volume sugar, equal volume milk and 24 ice cubes. Put in blender for 30 seconds. Drink. Mango taste between faint and not there.
Just got back from 3 days in Boracay, as always the delightful hamlet it is.
Thinking about postings on the board, I came across exactly what people in here have been discussing. I have a case of an undereducated gal from a poor background outclassing a sophisticated lady of means and outshining her in every respect.
Here is a classic example of Dominos snobs and why they can be a pain.
I had a short notice trip provided by a friend of mine in another business. He and I get together each year for a pilgrammage to Bora to have a few beers, laughs and decompress from the hard life in Manila. Being short notice, I couldn't get any of my normal college girls to go, so I had to pull up my alternate list of attendees to cull out someone that was worthy of being in the company of Ricksan.
My friend Patrick had met a girl there last year (codename Cokegirl because he hit on her when she was drinking coke only at Pier One bar with a group of her friends that were drinking beer) and he invited her along. So I bring along my partner for the swaree, (codename Chatty, which she wasnt the three times I had met her in the past in a bar).
The 4 of us stayed at Pearl of the Pacific, on the far end of Boracay beaches, but close to several of our watering holes for convenience sake. I mean, who wants to endure too long a trike ride when you are trashed and as far as walking is concerned... are you kidding?
Anyway, I digress. Cokegirl turns out to be the classic, refined, high end filipina. High maintenance and demanding to boot. Everything Domino has talked about concerning the wilting violets held true for this one. She was leading Patrick around like a little puppy with squeals of "i want this!" and "why don't you buy me that?". She came from a good family, but was spoiled rotten. Someone should have set her straight on manners. Chatty would smile and make eye contact with me when she pulled her antics, showing those subtle expressions that have you laughing inside with the situation. Non verbal ques shed a whole new light on things when you observe them. Chatty was great at letting me know "she got it" when she and I would see the same thing happening. In fact, behind closed doors when coaxed, Chatty said "Why does he let her do him like this?" Something a filipina would never say in public.
Cokegirl led Patrick around in circles and you would have thought she was the one that organized the trip and activities, of course catered to her tastes, not ours. The group was solicited for input on what we should do only once out of 3 days. I was beside myself watching her being so bossy. Restaurant selections, where to go, what to do, after the 2nd day you felt like a member of her personal shopping tour group. Were we there to amuse her i wondered?
On the other hand Chatty and I were quietly bemused with the likes of her slovenly ways. In 3 days Chatty refused me buying items all over the island saying "it was such an honor just being able to go on this trip, you have done too much for me already". I broke the zipper on her backpack, and stopped in a market to buy her a new one (a total investment of 300p by the way) and Chatty was almost in tears with the gratitude, refusing not once, but three times of this token. I wouldn't hear no for an answer and told her I felt guilty for ruining her bag and wanted to replace it, so her stuff wouldn't fall out when we left. She finally agreed, but only after much coaxing. Try that with your average bar girl.
And you knew it was from her heart, not that she was trying to be politically correct in the moment. Here is a girl from modest means, well read I found out, with great manners, that goes out of her way to fit in and not be a bother to anyone, while enjoying a vacation away from her life, which is quite a hard one (she supports her seriously ill father and wont take a dime from me to do it, claiming it is her burden to do so, not mine). Try that with your averge Jollybreeder strumpet or in this case, with a high end high maintenance strata enamored luxo wench.
Its nice to watch someone with adoring eyes enjoy the simplest of pleasures, whether it be an afternoon sipping beers over at the bar at Puka Beach after a banka boat ride, dancing at Cocomangas, or just hanging out snorkelling. She even refused to let me pack my suitcase on the checkout day, saying she wanted to repay me for what I had done for her. Hell, I felt guilty letting her do it, but I knew she felt she had to show her appreciation in a basic way. That tells a lot about the basic person much more than which family you were born into in this particular tale.
So, the bottom line of this story is:
A girl from modest means can outclass a high end gal in some situations.
Class is in the way you approach life, not just what you get out of life.
Chatty was such a girl. Cokegirl was a stereotypical wench that needed a spanking and a wake up call. I felt sorry for Patrick, but he should have put the foot down with Cokegirl's lack of class, even though she was raised in a good family, Chatty was much classier in many ways. While I am still friends with Patrick, his friend put a wet blanket on what could have been a great mini vacation.
Your thoughts?
Ricksan
I thought you would get a kick out of this.
A Filipino friend of mine was discussing about his family matters he has faced recently. His sister was in the states in college, and living with their aunt as she went to school. Now she comes from a pretty middle class family, but Dad dotes on his daughter and gives her a car, charges cards, and allowances, and trusts her to do well in school. Go enjoy yourself, study hard, we will help you succeed little darling. But here comes the problems with living in Western Society. The dark side of life in America as far as Filipinos are concerned, especially if you have a traditional values family.
It seems Daddy's little precious made the mistake of attending a rave in the LA area and it got communicated back to Daddy-O. She was out till 3 am and didn't let anyone know until after the fact, when it was overhead in a conversation with one of her gal pals (blonde valley girl that invited her). Probably if she had been up front with it and let auntie know what she was doing it would have settled out better. What she did was sneak it into her nightlife and auntie found out after the fact. Remember the rumor mill extends back to Manila, and let's say dad wasn't amused.
As you well know, raves are a way of life in southern California and it was all pretty much innocent fun, a night out with her girlfriends but Dad has seen expose's on 20/20 and decided that it was leading the daughter down the wrong track. There will be no rufies and all night orgies for his precocious daughter!
Egads! His charming little coquette could have sex before marriage? What other decadence would she try? It was time for the electronic choke chain to be applied.
That's it he decides, he calls up auntie and muffy is on the airplane back to the RP for a little re-education on proper filipina morals, post haste!
The brother is now the sisters keeper. He is 30 and established in business. He was to get her return ticket and charge cards and keep them locked up, make sure she only goes to church and chaperoned affairs until Dad decides that she is back on the right moral track. Dad's investment in his daughters life is at stake. There will be none of that California rave business! The funny thing is, he agrees this is the right approach.
Kinda funny, eh? 24 and grounded!
When I was 24 I had already been to 10 foreign countries and spend a year in Japan on my own, but remember Filipino society is a lot more strict when it comes to "finding yourself". Its hard to relate, but I can see where they come from when they are confronted with western behavior firsthand.
I laughed and asked the brother, "what happens on the second offense?", "Grounded till you are 30?" The brother said, "Dad was being lenient and I can see where he is coming from, in fact I agree with him" I guess he had seen his own self in some of her actions and could relate now, being older and wiser. He praised his Dad on being tough with him in his own oat-sowing days. Don't think Dad didn't get in sonny boys case too!
It looks like the daughter learned her lesson, not to incur the wrath of Dad and the family. You guys probably think that most of these girls don't have morals here, but I can assure you most of the time it simply isn't true. Family pressure to succeed, especially for a woman to be chaste, is in the higher order of things in a lot of families here. We could use a lot more of that in the western world. Maybe parent pressure isn't that bad an idea. Western families could learn a lot from this episode.
Sometimes I wish my kids had been exposed to the same helping hand that some of these kids do. It may seem draconian, but maybe it nips future problems in the bud. A lot of us are expecting things to take care of themselves and bad things happen as a result down the line.
Perhaps a little more involvement and less hand wringing can set a person's life on the right track early. Once they are indeed on their own, they are prepared to make the right decisions. I hear a lot in the board about class and moral upbringing but really think of it. How far would you go to get involved in your kids life? We talk about it a lot, but seldom get involved. Sure, this i am sure was innocent in nature given the girl, but it was the underlying sneaking around part that really sealed the deal. I think Dad was more miffed at that than the event itself.
So when you look for that future someone, remember the principles they are going to bestow on your potential offspring and where they might have gotten their guidance from, and how much they might just appreciate it.
Ricksan
Frequent Flier
04-13-05, 07:58
So, the bottom line of this story is:
A girl from modest means can outclass a high end gal in some situations.
Class is in the way you approach life, not just what you get out of life.
Chatty was such a girl. Cokegirl was a stereotypical wench that needed a spanking and a wake up call. I felt sorry for Patrick, but he should have put the foot down with Cokegirl's lack of class, even though she was raised in a good family, Chatty was much classier in many ways. While I am still friends with Patrick, his friend put a wet blanket on what could have been a great mini vacation.
Your thoughts?
Ricksan
Ah yes oh Ricksan.
As a good friend has said many times in similar situations. Your friends girl had lots of class. Only problem is that is was all third class.
FF
Busted out laughing when I read Ricksan's post where he said, "jollybreeder strumpet".
Note to myself: do not read Ricksan when in the office supposedly working.
Ricksan,
Can you give us a bit more info about your Boracay trip?
Is Cocomangas the place for dancing? What's the story with p4p?
Can you find many "good" girls who are also there on holiday?
I see that you stayed at Pearl of the Pacific. A bit too much for my budget. Any other recommendations?
I've been to the Philippines before, but this month I will make my first trip to Boracay. I would appreciate any info you can share.
Can anyone recommend a simple gift that would be appreciated by the ladies. I'll be in Japan before I go to the Philippines, so my first thought is to buy some kind of Japanese souviners.
I know most things imported to the Philippines can be very expensive. What about soaps or shampoos?
Any ideas would be appreciated.
X-Man,
Take a look at Lakbay.com.ph, they tend to have some good deals in there, quoted in Philippine Pesos, they also will give you some background on the area.
Boracay.com will give you info on the island. Hotels near boat station 2 are in the thick of things. Good restaurants on the beach, plenty of shopping. Hotels near boat station 1 are pricier and less tourists.
Low budget? Try Nigi Nigi e Noo Noos. Kinda funky low budget affair with fan rooms if you are into the tiki look cabanas they have it. Great bar in front. Canadian owns the place as I remember. Lots of expats hang around in the evening sipping drinks and watching the sunset.
Take your own girl along. Pick a nice one in Manila to import in. Airfare is cheap, you want to fly into Caticlan, a 5 min trike ride away to the pier to board banka boat to the resort.
Most of the hotels have package deals including transportation. They will have a sign when you step off the plane at the airport.
Cocomangas is a stellar Boracay hangout, disco, bar, pizza, t-shirts, it has it all. Great place to go dancing and drinking. The place is filled with Manila types on weekends but why waste time striking up conversation for a possible bedfest when you can have your own prequalified jollybreeder with you? Saves time, saves patience.
Hope this helps.
Ricksan
Ricksan,
I liked your post #614 in this thread on 04-12-05 very much. Thank you for that.
W
Bring Chocolate they love it and all ways ask to bring back or send to them.
And you have good chance the girls will be... sweet to you :)
Tylenol
Can anyone recommend a simple gift that would be appreciated by the ladies. I'll be in Japan before I go to the Philippines, so my first thought is to buy some kind of Japanese souviners.
I know most things imported to the Philippines can be very expensive. What about soaps or shampoos?
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Ricksan: Chatty had true class which money can not buy. There are many well brought up Non-Rich girls that have class, while many rich girls have crass. A suggested spelling correction: Swaree = Soiree.
XMAn: If you can, bring in the perfume for women like Estee Lauder, Calvin Klein, Chanel, etc. They really love these. You can also buy these at the Phil Tourist Duty Free shop upon your arrival. Filipinos seem to love Pistacchio Nuts.
XMan,
I'd like to affirm genius8's comment about buying the stuff after you get to RP. I spent (read, wasted) some time shopping in my local USA stores for some perfume that my new gf wanted, only to find out that it was half the price in the duty free shop in RP.
Well another night of boredom came and went, but there is always an gem when you least expect it on the streets of Manila. My fortunes turned around quickly, and here is my latest story.
After countless nights of mongering, I had one of the wildest rides of my life last night. Yes, its true! In staid Manila you too can find a voluptous (yes Gertrude, its true) screamer amogst the flatchested, lip biting set of Jollybreeders in this fair town.
I was in a bar last night on Burgos with a business collegue of mine. It was late and we were on our last drink before we headed our separate ways home when I have a young, full breasted Chinese Filipina set down next to me. Of course it helped that my friend knew the mamasan of the place and probably she offered some fresh muff as a gift to our table. I am not talking the normal, stale, used, flabby boobs from 3 prior kids sort of gal. The little delight that sat next to me and introduced herself was a rare gem indeed.
Her father was a half-Chinese half-Macau resident, which married a half filipina, half european gal from Davao. The result was a gal that could have passed as Singaporean, with a distinctive Chinese accent and looks and nice, firm hooties. Who could ask for more?
It was her first night in the bar. She was a student (23) that was finishing up her Business Management degree and had been supporting her study in various businesses and decided to try earning a little extra cash in the trade. She was very naive to the ways of how bars worked as well as bar fines, what happens next, etc. After having an hour or so of interesting conversation on world affairs, which was the best business to start up in Manila and her future plans after college it was clear that she could be a prime romp in the rack.
She had the GFE look in her eyes, that little twinkle that tells you she had not gotten jaded and wanted to explore what could be a future relationship with a foreigner. She had lost her virginity to a european and had not had a boyfriend since he left town a year earlier. They had met via a marketing job at a major hotel here, where he was on staff. I could see what he saw in her, and his loss was my gain.
Well after paying her bar fine, she looked at the mamasan as if to say "what do I do now?" and after a few minutes was encouraged to dress up and go with me. She really looked clueless as to the next steps, which convinced me of her innocence. In fact, she almost backed out of going and me paying the barfine on a couple of occasions before she finally agreed. She was indeed looking for a long term lover, and some fun in her life, not just a romp in the sack.
We went to my place, where after a lengthy conversation we started kissing and one thing moved to another. Talk about the blushing bride! It was so much fun unwrapping those 36 D's she had, firm and proud. Also she had an ass that would just make you cry. She protected those breasts of hers like the keys to Fort Knox, for it was revealed that once you started kissing on them, she was defenseless. After an hour or so of foreplay, we ended up in the bedroom.
She screamed loud enough to wake up the neighbors for sure, as well as participated in fingering and other foreplay. Her eurosuitor had taught her well I think and she definitely loved sex, after getting comfortable with the short duration period of getting to know one another.
After being used to these lip biting coquettes here in Manila, it was a refreshing change. I think it was the asian slant to her upbringing, vs the normal repressed Catholic "sex is not to be enjoyed" background that let her express herself. Over 10 orgasms in an hour for her, and 3 for me during the evening. It was a major event when she dropped her panties, with a lot of hesitation for she didn't want to be viewed by me as "a bad girl". I truly believe that looking back on it all. Was I a lecher i thought?
So I ask you, how many big boobed Filipinas have you met that weren't jaded or used up? And, would you have felt guilty for taking the prize in this situation instead of looking at the long term prospects by waiting and developing the relationship instead of just racking her for the evening?
Sometimes you can indeed have what you want, but was it right? Pussy is an easy commodity here, and sometimes you come across a girl that is just trying to get ahead, but you can feel guilty in plucking low hanging fruit like I came across last night in the interest of draining my gonads.
I love pussy as much as the next guy, but taking advantage of her innocence in the quest for lust can make a guy feel guilty, even a lecher like me.
I think I will have to look her up, but I get the feeling she will have second thoughts on what she did last night and hide if I try to contact her, that's my observation. It was a wild night, but for her I think she will feel guilt about what she did. Maybe me too. What would you do differently?
Ricksan
Teddy Bear 99
04-24-05, 11:54
Ricksan,
I would do the same, if she's working in a bar, she's there to make money, and her "nieve" approach most likely is an act. I met a girl very similar to her in the Casino Bar @ EDSA named "Ann" who acted very nieve when it came to being barfined, but the mamasan told me she had been working there for over six months and likes other girls as well. Since I only had time for ST that night, I only took her back to my hotel. After some conversation, and kissing, she took the lead opening my pants and taking me into her mouth. After an hour, I was so worn out, I couldn't go on.
Anyways, do you mind telling what bar you met her in? Is it a bar that mainly caters to asians, filipinos, or Americans and europeans? Have you called her or gone back to the bar since? How did she react if you did?
Ricksan,
This is a typical "line" that Babes use, I want you to imagine a chrous line of sweet little darlings all lined up from Northern Luzon to The Sulu, dressed in one peice outfits, top hats black fishnet stockings and high heels (man what an erotic image) all singing the song of the Philippines in their cute little cartoon chipmunk voices, sounds like this:
Its my first time doing this (barfine) Its my first time doing this( blow job in hotel room) its my first time.........(fill in the blanks anything from anal sex to posing in lingerie, a chinese basket job, a two girl double etc.)
Second chorus:
I've only had sex with one man before (Loud chorus)
Its been________years since I last had sex (fill in the blank with any number between one and fifteen)
(Right, thats why that thing stretches like gumby sweetie, man, talk about waving a stick in a cave!!!!)
Third chorus..... You are the first foreigner to make love to me.
The Spamhog says, these girls always come up with a line, your Chinese beauty should have been paid an extra 500 pesos just on the story alone
Any busty little gal like that is going to have rich Chinese all over her like flies trying to be her sugar daddy, they want a young, busty chinese mistress, she commands a premium.
Now as far as what to do about it, obviously you enjoyed the little sweetheart and she sounds like she did too (no pun intended) so I say go with it, enjoy the ride, so shes a good actress, when you think about it, isn't that part of what you pay for? A good performance,
Sounds like this should get an Oscar!
Enjoy
The Spamhog
Anything got info's about what to do around Malate. Ill be stayin in a hotel there. Been a hella long times since ive been in PI.
Thanks
Ricksan, I can't believe that even after reading all the posts here that you really believe the crap you write. "Naive bar girl"? I'm sure her "eurosuitor" along with her americasuitor, filipinosuitor, etc have all taught her well.
All the things she told you are the same lines spewed by "virgin" bar girls all over the PI since the beginning of time.
And stop sending her money every month, she really didn't quit the bar, all you are doing is supporting her boyfriend. ;)
Mook
To clarify my statements:
You guys must think I got off the 5am PAL flight and just left podunk Kansas. That is definitely not the case.
Dudes, Ive been to this country 100s of times and shagged as many women, from all walks of life.
For those of you that think I have a soft heart, I am as tight wadded as the next guy.
I don't pay stipends to chicks, not here, not anywhere. You can bet your bottom dollar on that.
I also don't mess with skanks. Don't have to, don't want to, don't need to. There are too many gorgeous, fascinating women here, with which I have a great time, far better than most samples I have found at the various expat haunts in this town so far. This particular night was something different, which I was sharing with the group. If you don't want to believe it, hey, that's your decision. I just stated the facts.
I've seen as many tricks, scams, lies, etc. or more than probably anyone on this board. This chick was indeed new, and quite different. In fact, I think she quit the business since I was there. Indeed it was her first night, based on other gals I know in there, the mamasan (which hasn't seen her by the way since) and others. My loss, some other suckers gain for sure.
For those of you quick to draw an opinon based on their own experiences, I can understand. Thanks for your insight. I was just sharing with the group, and so be it if you can't relate personally.
I wish you all well in your future muff hunts.
Ricksan
GoodEnough
04-29-05, 10:56
Ricksan:
I have to agree with the other guys. However, the lines that these girls spew are delivered with such perfect sincerity that it's difficult sometimes to remain sceptical. Maybe we help their credibility by wanting to believe them, but it's mostly utter bullshit designed to make us feel special and feel some sense of obligation toward them.
GE
.....I love pussy as much as the next guy, but taking advantage of her innocence in the quest for lust can make a guy feel guilty, even a lecher like me.........Ricksan
You picked up a girl in a bar, paid bar fine and had sex with her. Why would you feel guilty about that? She is not a virgin and had a boyfriend. How did you take advantage of her innocence?
All of us mongers at some point felt overwhelmed in the presence of a sweet young thing. But once she crossed the line and decided to make money by sleeping with strangers, I wouldn't worry too much about her "presumed innocence".
It is evident that you were quite taken by this young lady. However, please try to control your exuberence and make realistic post. I never heard of any women having 10 orgasms in an hour, let alone a working girl!
Bandy
GoodEnough
04-30-05, 01:04
Ricksan:
Maybe you really met the one in a thousand who was actually telling the truth. I've never had that happen, but it's certainly possible. If that's the case, and if the girl really affected you as much as she appears to have done, you're lucky and I hope you find her again.
GE
Spokane Boy
05-04-05, 00:17
I am planning a trip to either Philippines or Thailand and was wondering which one is the best to go to. I was wondering if they dance nude in the bars at either and how freaky does it get in the bars. Can anyone suggest which cities to go to and what clubs to go to. Also wanted to know which hotels are girl friendly and really nice to stay in such as marriot and like that. I have never traveled to asia before only down south. Would use all the help I can get email me at
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I can only speak for the Philippines, but the girls do not get naked and dance in the bars. It is not like the states where there is one girl stripping instead its more like a stage where the guys pick a girl to short time or long time.
Spokane Boy,
I'm not trying to bash on you, but son, can you read? All the questions you asked are answered in every post on this board. Keep reading and when you have something specific clarified, ask away.
Long Stroker
05-12-05, 04:28
john aldrich recently posted a somber cautionary tale over on the indo board which can be read here:
http://www.*************.info/forum/showpost.php?p=358641&postcount=2148
(starting in 5th paragraph)
he advises people to never bring a local chick back to your primary apartment dwelling, because this can result in risky personal exposure to yourself.
my question is - is this also a problem in the the philippines? do girls cry [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) against a foreigner just because he dumped her?
and would the proper course of action be something like: don't bang girls who have contacts in the local government?
stick to "your earthy sam miguel types" as domino refers to them, and you can minimise your risk?
GoodEnough
05-13-05, 00:50
In all the time I've spent here, which is now almost 2 years, I've not heard of a single instance of a girl trying to involve the legal authorities to extort more money. I'm not saying this does not happen, but if it does, it does not receive much publicity. I think the biggest risk here is that once girls know where you live, they may feel compelled to "drop around" when you least want to see them. That has happened to me a couple of times. My response to this has been straightforward. I merely tell them that I have someone else there and that they should not drop by without an appointment.
If you're staying in a hotel, the risks are minimal given hotel security and the fact that you're the guest and she is not. The five start hotels in Manila will invariably call your room once the girl leaves, to tell you she is in the lobby and to task you if it's okay with you if she leaves the hotel. The hotels in Davao, where I live, are less strict, but the security guys always know when there's a girl in your room. Plus, you can always tell them that no one is to be allowed to go to your room who is not accomanied by you. They're pretty good about this.
The final point I want to make is that "justice" here is directly proportional to the amount of money you have. Most of these girls do not have much, and I think it's doubtful that they could interest police or prosecutors in going after foreigners who have much more. As a general rule, most the girls who hang around bars, malls, and restaurants do not have heavy "political connections" and I would not worry about this aspect of life here at all.
:D
GE
Long Stroker
05-13-05, 04:31
It's bad enough that here in the states you almost have to get the girl to sign a contract agreeing that the encounter is mutual before you risk sleeping with her.
I was afraid that maybe Asia was also beginning a period of emasculation like the West is currently suffering through.
Optic Guard
05-13-05, 05:17
Well, I never usually say to anyone how to live, but when it comes to women, always remember that no matter were you are in the world, they seek to control men! I lived in the Philppines for 9 years in the military in the investigation section. They are true pimps of the world.
You can go to any corner in the Philipines and just point to your next girlfriend, and 9 out of 10 times she will agree. Its just a case of the green card and helping their family. The men will set you up with there family no matter how old you are. So if you want some real advice just tell them what they want to hear then fuck them then find another.
Here is a saying: What is more faithful? Your wife or your dog.
The answer: Your dog. They will stay with you long after the wife is gone, and cost a lot less money.
So be a man fuck them then leave them. Men are there own masters. If you have to ask permission, then you are their slave. Change woman like you would change your socks (very often).
This is just the way I feel, I have been single for 26 years and I live in Tijuana.
Have a nice day, and remember, enjoy your life because you only get 1.
Tom
GoodEnough
05-13-05, 05:32
Ah but remember, for these girls, there's no problem that cannot be solved by the payment of an additional PhP500-1000.
this type of problem is more prevelant in thailand where corrupt local cops play along with it and institutionalized cheating of "falang" (thats you and me) is more prevelant. but some things you got to be aware of here, i know of factual (not hearsay) instances where a foreigner was extorted by (usually a house maid or yaya) for molestation, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) etc and they demanded p10,000. my leo sources in davao recall several more over the years, all involve an **** girl and all involve molestation,(this is much harder to prove or disprove) not penetration i beleive there was a case in matina a year ago that made the papers, ge maybe you remember.
but the older more establish bimbi no one seems to care about, they know they are not gonna get satisfaction out of the courts because it takes so long here, also they would tend to threaten you with this hoping you will capitulate, your stance should be, go ahead. i'll tell them how you blew me and iscrewed you in the ass and paid you for it, then the police will want their share, and it will be in the papers so everyone will know you are borricutt (*****).
that is why the spamhog only hires older, ugly maids.
also, it is not a good idea to let them go to your apartment or rented house, no telling when they show up, like when you bring the new one around, once again, this is a classic problem in thailand more so than the rp imho.
spam hog
Member #1005
05-13-05, 09:13
I would like to add to GE comments to say I agree with what he has stated is correct, because culturally Filipinos have a different mind-set.
Many of the girls who work in bars, deny this fact to themselves by hiding behind a wide range of different names, such as GRO, dancers, waitress, or door girls however, you can still pay money and take them all to your room for sex. Unlike in Latin America where the girls refer to themselves as Putas.
I would hope a majority of would not risk the stigma of going public of making a big scene trying extort money from some hapless foreigner. Let’s be honest here how many girls would risk standing up and saying that they went to a bar, met this foreigner went back to his place after midnight where he tried to attack her, so now the whole of her family and friends realise that she doesn’t actually work in a hotel and will wonder where the money she has been sending has actually come from.
Remember, if you meet a girl in a bar, invite her back to your place and have sex with her and then give her some taxi money, this is not yet a crime.
GoodEnough
05-13-05, 10:10
The Spam Hog is correct as usual. The uglier and the older the maid, the better for you as it's highly unlikely anyone owuld believe her if she cried molestation. I actually do not mind it much if former sleep overs show up unannounced as I tell the maid to tell them they cannot come in. They rarely try twice though I have gotten a couple of nasty text messages in the past. I think the best advice is never to lie to the girls about your feelings toward them or what you may want from them. There's no point to it, and it may only make things worse for your down the line somewhere.
:D
GE
Long Stroker
05-14-05, 15:46
Thanks for all the great responses, guys. The depth of collective knowledge here at WSG never fails to impress me.
Dashing Don
06-17-05, 00:51
Hello all,
The Metro section of the NY Times recounted today (6/16) the sad tale of Dr. Jonathan Nyce who is being charged with the brutal slaying of his Filipino wife who is twenty years his junior. They were married for 14 years and lived in New Jersey.
Apparently she (35yo) had been having an affair with the hispanic gardener for a year. Dr. Bryce had known about the affair and she promised to end it but didn't. In typically dry fashion, the Times described Dr. Bryce as bright but socially awkward. He had invented some medical procedure but his company was foundering. He met Michelle through a newspaper ad and they have several children.
An internet search may turn up more info.
I'm not trying to make any points here: maybe she wasn't getting enough sex or attention or both. She looked very attractive in the photo in the newspaper.
Looking forward to my next trip to the PI in late August.
Don
Frequent Flier
06-18-05, 13:29
Here DD,
A link to the news on this guy and his murdered wife.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/060905_nw_nycemurder.html
As they say in the court, cheating is not a reason to murder your spouse, but it is a little telling to all those who think the loving catholic wife from the Philippines is going to stay with them till death do they part...no pun intended here.
She was obviously looking for action.
As a Father of a good friend of mine used to say "if you catch your wife cheating don't be mad at the guy or threaten him as there would be no hanky panky unless the girl wanted it to happen"
If she had killed her husband for the same reason there would be sympathy the world over for her. That's America.
In any case this guy is a turd and I hope he gets his for beating up on a defenseless woman.
FF
Remember, if you meet a girl in a bar, invite her back to your place and have sex with her and then give her some taxi money, this is not yet a crime.Not yet, mate! But depends already where you are.
I was told, in Sweden it is a crime already for the customer. Contrarily it remains free for the pro (supplier).
Absurd!
Thank god I'm 10,000km away from Europe.;-)
Cheers!
Hi,
I have recently met a filipina lady. She is very attractive and very petite as 1 would expect. She also seems to be somewhat wild. Never being with a filipina before, I was wondering in general how wild do theses ladies generally get in the bedroom? Are they generally ok with exploring Greek? You may laugh, but didnt know since they are so tiny if this is something they typically enjoy? Please give your opinions as I find this lady erotic and would like to explore the back door with her tiny frame.
Cebu Local
06-23-05, 14:27
Hi,
I have recently met a filipina lady. She is very attractive and very petite as 1 would expect. She also seems to be somewhat wild. Never being with a filipina before, I was wondering in general how wild do theses ladies generally get in the bedroom? Are they generally ok with exploring Greek? You may laugh, but didnt know since they are so tiny if this is something they typically enjoy? Please give your opinions as I find this lady erotic and would like to explore the back door with her tiny frame.
Sorry to disapoint you,but being very active in the local adult community ,I can tell you with certainty that the overwhelming majority of Pinays are not into anal.the Philippine Cosmopolitan sex survey says only 15% of Pinays are into anal.But then again,she could be part of the 15% cheers
Member #2559
06-27-05, 17:36
As a resident in the RPI, I know as much as I need to find a girl whenever and wherever I (alone) need. but as I stated my wife has suggested we find a girl for the night. Our first attempt was in AC, and my wife did the questioning with the Mamasans, I just sat there and grinned. Eventually we found a girl who was up for it, and it surprised me that it took 3 bars to find one willing (in Nero's). The girl was OK in bed, nothing extra special but definately a proffessional. This definately turned the wife off the idea somewhat next day.
That's the basic problem; my wife is scared that if she really goes to town on some hooker's pussy she could get "sick". So I have suggested trying Manila, but as I go there frequently; Burgos, EDSA/Airport or LA Cafe, I dont want to meet any girls i have known before. I also suggested finding a girl one night meeting her next day and taking her to a clinic for a check up. Then for a wild night.
Any suggestions on alternate venues (must have young good looking girls), other places to try or other suggestions as to how to go about this without the wife getting up tight.
Cebu Local
06-27-05, 22:47
As a resident in the RPI, I know as much as I need to find a girl whenever and wherever I (alone) need. but as I stated my wife has suggested we find a girl for the night. Our first attempt was in AC, and my wife did the questioning with the Mamasans, I just sat there and grinned. Eventually we found a girl who was up for it, and it surprised me that it took 3 bars to find one willing (in Nero's). The girl was OK in bed, nothing extra special but definately a proffessional. This definately turned the wife off the idea somewhat next day.
That's the basic problem; my wife is scared that if she really goes to town on some hooker's pussy she could get "sick". So I have suggested trying Manila, but as I go there frequently; Burgos, EDSA/Airport or LA Cafe, I dont want to meet any girls i have known before. I also suggested finding a girl one night meeting her next day and taking her to a clinic for a check up. Then for a wild night.
Any suggestions on alternate venues (must have young good looking girls), other places to try or other suggestions as to how to go about this without the wife getting up tight.
There is a Philippine adult forum called Manilatonight.com,After you join and have 25 posts,The adult sections open up.There are sections on wife swapping,Bi partners etc.In Manila,Try a place called Skyline Massage Parlour on the 8th floor on the Grand Boulevard Hotel,It has young good looking girls who are checked weekly,About 20-25% of their girls are into threesomes,They even have quintuplet service,where you get 4 girls at one time.Hope this helps
Hot Diggidy Dog
06-27-05, 23:17
Like women the world over, if you get them hot enough, they'll let you try.
The thing is to make it so good for them they'll let you finish.
My experience is if you sling 'em them twice normally in an evening, then go down on them for a good long time (seriously a long time -- 20 minutes, and your tounge is tired at the end) they'll be so hot, so wet, and so loose they'll permit the posterior porking. And Fillipinias being thinner and shorter than most western women doesn't make 'em any less willing to be greeked.
Hi,
I have recently met a filipina lady. She is very attractive and very petite as 1 would expect. She also seems to be somewhat wild. Never being with a filipina before, I was wondering in general how wild do theses ladies generally get in the bedroom? Are they generally ok with exploring Greek? You may laugh, but didnt know since they are so tiny if this is something they typically enjoy? Please give your opinions as I find this lady erotic and would like to explore the back door with her tiny frame.
I met this highly attractive Filipina girl working in the UK via some friends. We hit it off straight away - dfk first date. 2nd date we're practically all over each other. She doesn't want to do the deed because of crappy plasterboard walls and neighbours (she's noisy apparently). But then she proceeds to let me explore her upper body with my mouth without any real effort to stop me, though down lower was a bit more resistant. She had seriously deep breathing, flushed face, and probably the longest snog I've ever had. But then the next day she says in 1 text message that she's not ready and in the next message that she was as horny as hell?!?! It's one hell of a tease! The ironic thing is she says she likes me TOO much and is scared because of it!
Now, she's a professional and not a sex worker (and I doubt ever has been), and also quite religious. So I'm looking for opinions on regular PI ladies. Her attitude does not seem to match the advice given on Filipino dating sites.
Should I give her the time that she's saying on the one hand, or gently push for what we obviously both want? Of course, I don't want to hurt her - but I've waited before and they got bored!
Confused, never had a girl do quite this sort of thing on this sort of scale before!
Thanks.
Marconista
07-09-05, 22:24
Simmer!
I think we should call upon Cebu Local, as he is member of the same community as me in Manila, and living there. He should have a lot of input on pinays, nevermind if they live in the RP or UK. We are talking about the nature of the girls, right?
There is also another "old" member CANCONTRIB, which for sure can give input on this, but we have not seen him on this forum for more than a year now. I hope he is still monitoring the thread.
This has become a long thread, with a lot of valuable advises, so read through it when you have time, and learn.
Me - I have a non-WG lady that I am with when I am in Manila.
Never mind the pre-history, but it did not take long after I started to hit on her, before we made out :) , and she was a virgin (bad me). :D
We went scubadiving together one weekend, and then I did not see her for a few days, but I texted her. When I was back in town I texted her again, and she invited me to the movie. After the movie I paid her taxi home and agreed to see her for dinner the next day. We had our dinner in my hotel, and she was typical filipina "dizzy" after the meal, so I invited her up to my room to relax. This was the first time we dfk'ed and played, but no intercourse. We agreed to see each other the next evening after her work, and then it was a hit.
Someone may not agree, but I think that it is part of their nature to be naughty and go all the way (after a while - almost like what they say in the switchboards down there).
I have been with a few non-WG's, and that are hard to bed the first couple of times, but being persistent (inviting them for more dates) - you will get there, unless you have bad breath, smell or other handicap :) . I am sure Cebu Local can back me up on this.
Right now I am working on two ladies, one promo-girl and Miss "something", and a nursing student. She is curious since she asked if I was circumcised (am not), so she wanted to "see" and try, if I promised not to get her pregnant. She had slept with one boyfriend she said (knowing girls, they always divide the numbers, opposite to boys, so I guess she means two)
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So I'm looking for opinions on regular PI ladies. Her attitude does not seem to match the advice given on Filipino dating sites.
Should I give her the time that she's saying on the one hand, or gently push for what we obviously both want? Of course, I don't want to hurt her - but I've waited before and they got bored!
Confused, never had a girl do quite this sort of thing on this sort of scale before!
Thanks.
Cebu Local
07-10-05, 09:47
Hi
Most of the dating sites give advice for working girls.I personaly know the girl he meets whenever he is in manila and she is gorgeous and is a defenite none-WG,She worked for one of the most exclusive resorts in the Country and is currently still in the travel industry.You get "good "girls in stages.They dont like to go all the way on the first date.Thats for "bad"girls.She will give it up in stages,Expect heavy petting by 2nd date with her giving you a handjob.Expect oral on the 3rd or 4th date and all the way after that."Good "Pinay girls are generally like that.Good Luck
Thanks Cebu and Marco. I've flicked through various reports in this forum but I just needed a "personal" take on my situation! Trouble is, she talks dirty - very dirty - and yet is afraid to act it out physically. She's changed schedules to fit around me and phoned 3 times yesterday. Tonight will be date #3.5 (the first 0.5 just being an introduction at birthday party). So maybe very soon she will be ready. Wish me luck!
Thanks again.
Cebu Local
07-10-05, 23:41
Hi
Me again,I talked to 2 "good" girl friends of mine about your case and their opinion is that the girl is being torn between what she wants to do and what the church teaches her is wrong,Their advice is to let her relax and advance little by little,Go from base to base by each date,Sort of go one step further each date,Dont worry you should be shagging her by the 5th or 6th date.Patience is a virtue
Just a note from a typical dumb ass white guy who doesn;t have the inside that Cebu local & some of the other Pinoy gentlemen do, but here goes.
In my mongering days, I noticed a lot of "good girls" would go through all types of sexual inuendo "Bold talk" etc. but would reign in when it came time to deliver. This is all part of their mystique, remember they are not western women for whom sex is such a casual thing, sex to a Filipina generally means feelings for the guy, even the hookers and hardened pros may not take you if they dont like you or you act like a jerk.
Also, Filipinas gossip about everything and anything, everything you do with her, from a simple kiss on the cheek to how many times you rammed the old log in will be discussed "in confidence" with her Gf's which means broadcast on the local news bulletin so she has to appear that she was "seduced" by a sly westerner to save face. the old "put up a valiant defense but gave it up out of strong feelings" crap.
Filipina play the coy maiden, part of testing you and your feelings, also, they are a bit worried over the size of the schlong and over "disease" since there is a lot of bullshit around that westerners have aids etc.
So like it was recommended, take it slow, be polite and even gentlemanly, you will be richly rewarded.
I forget who was asking about anal, but the spamhog can tell you the 15% is about right. I got two anal cherries so far and one who had done it before (all non pros) but there again, the size of the old Irish inch can be a determining factor, waving a billy club might frighten 'em off but you might find one to experiment with it but only after repeated contact.
Good luck
Spamhog
Ironically she said that night that she was disappointed her period had started! Of all the luck! Still, as you say, good things come to those who wait. I think you're right that she's torn between the church and her feelings. The culture difference is just starting to hit home - to me more I think, as she's had some time getting used to the UK. Simple things like the "come hither" motion - don't beckon with your index finger but use a palm down scratching motion otherwise it's rude. I managed to offend her today with something quite innocuous by UK standards but obviously meaning something completely different by PI standards. Still, she seems to have forgiven me as she's coming around again tonight!
I'll keep researching - it's good fun actually - and reading this forum. Many thanks for the help everyone.
Simmer:
Lemme see if this sounds familiar:
I only had sex with one guy.
I learned to do that from a porn movie.
I can't have sex with you I'm on my period.
(Whats wrong with your mouth?)
Oh I've never done that!
well okay but don't come in my mouth.
Why not.
I don't like the taste......(I thought you said you never done that before?)
Er weell one of my GF said the taste is bad.
It will lighten your skin.
Really?
Yeah, clinically proven, why do you think white women are so white?
Welllllll......maybe
Spamhogs advice, be patient, let her play the game and when you finally cross the finish line make her a bowling ball (all three holes)
Good Luck
Marconista
07-16-05, 16:34
It will lighten your skin.
Really?
Yeah, clinically proven, why do you think white women are so white?
HA HA HA.. I've put that on my hard disk for use later!
Simmer:
Lemme see if this sounds familiar:
I only had sex with one guy.No - she's had a couple, not sure of the exact amount (and frankly don't want to know).
I learned to do that from a porn movie.Not sure how relevant that is...
I can't have sex with you I'm on my period.You can fake many things except bloody bedsheets, bin full of crap, and red bits floating in the toilet.
(Whats wrong with your mouth?)She did, though not very well.
Oh I've never done that!I'll concede that one! But see previous comment.
well okay but don't come in my mouth.I'm not interested anyway to be honest. I know most people are, but I'm not.
Spamhogs advice, be patient, let her play the game and when you finally cross the finish line make her a bowling ball (all three holes)
Good LuckI get the impression that you don't believe that she's not a sex worker. Well, believe it or not, NOT every Thai or Filipina is a sex worker. There are professionals out there as well.
Last night and twice this morning I got my reward for waiting. Tightest cunny I've ever experienced which actually drew blood. Closest I've ever come to a virgin I guess! Not huge tits but reasonable by Asian standards. And she massages, cooks, and cleans as well! What more can a man want?
For the record, yes I was and yes I am still a bit wary. I know there are plenty of westerners that have been ripped off by people wanting a passport into that western country. However, being a nurse means having to work for 3-4 years in the UK and you get your passport. Period. No British husband or kids required. Nurses are in high demand and that's all the immigration people want.
Cebu Local
07-16-05, 23:42
I believe that I told you patience is a virtue and good things are worth waiting for.Spam Hog may have overlooked the fact that She is already a nurse working in the UK.Yes she really doesnt need a British husband to get a British Passport,So I sort of believe that Simmer may have found a genuine Girl friend.OK next lesson,Filipinas are jealous and possesive.Be forewarned,The trade off is they will be thoughtful and considerate until at least they hook you.Dont push anal,unless you really are into that stuff,since the overwhelming majority find it disgusting.The Cosmo survey among Philippine COSMO girls is only 15% are into that stuff.The percentage is higher among sex workers of course.Good luck and Congratulations
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Thanks Cebu. Jealousy wasn't something I picked up on on the internet, so I'll bear that in mind. I'm not the sort that plays around anyway - the last thing I want to do now is lose her!
Anal - no thanks. Not my cup of tea. Again, each to their own.
Maybe I owe you one maybe I don't I don't know, I was being a bit faceteous when posting those excerps I did not mean to belittle your particular lady in any way. I do not think Thai women, Filipinas or any other Asians or any women for that matter are all prostitutes, *****s or skanks, however, I am a great skeptic, time and experience HAS taught me that ALL women are to some extent schemers with a little hypocracy thrown in.
I would have to say that sexually, Filipinas as a whole are more rigidly moralled than most others. That is part of the attraction for me anyhow, they usually will not surrender unless they have genuine feelings for you, not like western women who regard sex as a casual pasttime.
BUT!
I have heard those lines from Nurses, teachers, a lady dentist, factory workers, domestic helpers and yes a bar girl or two with alarming frequency. It may also interest you to know that Filipinas joke about those very things among them self and each other...
Ie: "I suppose you told him you only had sex with one man before?"
"Of course, what else" (Disolve into incessant giggling.)
Or
"Did he fall for the line about learning that from a bold movie?" (bold-porno)
I would imagine a few others on this board have heard these things too or probably will.
Take care
Spamhog
I spent nearly three weeks in the Philippines, chasing both online gals and p4p. One online gal was especially good fun. I had to meet the whole family, but actually had her panties off six hours after initial meeting. She was such a sweety I spent most of four days with her -- nearly the entire time I was in that particular city. Of course she loves me... Having visited the Philippines numerous times over the past 25 years, I had a good idea about how deep her love is.
Back at home, we exchange a few emails. Then I get a mail from a guy who says he found my email address in a "forwarded mail" from her and politely asked how I knew her. I told the guy I met her online, but left out the part about me meeting her and spunking on her face and such.
Turns out the guy has never met her, but has proposed marriage and she has accepted. He's probably sending money too, but I didn't ask.
I've already been elusive with this guy, since I think he's a bit of a wanker. But what should I do? Should I tell him the whole truth and save him a lot of grief down the road? Should I warn HER that she has to do damage control quick if she still wants to bag this sucker? Should I just butt out?
Oh, why do I think he's a wanker? I gave him some indirect advice....something about Asian logic being different than Western logic and Asians have a tendency to "tell you what you want to hear" in order to save face and maintain good human relations. He not only didn't get the HINT, but didn't seem to understand the point.
Okay, waiting for your advice.
Chocha Monger
08-13-05, 17:29
Dear X Man,
My first reaction after reading your post was to say leave the poor bastard to his fate. After all, he is a wanker and a sucker if he is actually willing to marry someone whom he has never met in person. This guy is not only clueless, he is very desperate and possibly dangerous also.
However, if you believe that the WSG is a forum for the free exchange of information and you feel any sense of allegiance to fellow males in spite of the stupidity of some, then you might want to make a full disclosure concerning the copious amounts of spunk that you discharged on this girl's face and such.
Of course, from what you said about him I doubt that this information will cause him to change his mind but at least you'll have a clear conscience. Apparently, sweety wasn't all that forthcoming with you either and were it not the case that you are a smart gentleman then you could have easily been in that bastard's shoes.
If he does call off the marriage then you would have prevented or delayed the departure of good talent from the Philipines and that is a good thing for all mongers. Also, you would be helping sweety learn that conning foreigners has real consequences. You can never know how this guy might react if he marries her then discovers her lies. The fact that he put the effort into contacting you shows that he might have some jealousy issues. Sweety might pay with her life in the end. Face it, normal guys just don't propose marriage to strangers online.
Sincerely,
CM
Cebu Local
08-13-05, 23:29
Do the guy a favor,and let the poor bastard know but dont tell him YOU were the one who was giving her Facials.You never know how he would take it
Tell the guy the truth, I mean you may not have to go into the gory details but you need to wise this sap up and let him know he is being played as she is playing squeeze the weasle with you while he is sending her money so she will reserve that poon for him until he decides to visit? How many are playing this game? Educate the poor fool you may be saving him.
Spamhog
Now why would this guy get such an email forwarded to him? These type of guys are not your friends so don't worry about him and his fate. If they do marry, good luck to them. More importantly, I am looking for donations for my little Davao skank. If anyone wants to help this good cause, please get in touch. All are welcome to bonk her. I am not a jealous man.
The fact that he proposed marriage does not mean he will marry her.
Some years ago, some of us had passwords to the emails of Thai skanks and we posted our findings on the Thai board. Skinless, Tapioca and PurplenGold were three such publicly spirited mongers. No use trying tio help these lemmings; same same with suckers we personally know. Losers latch on to these women. Let them meet their fate. Me? I support the women, hopefully with some of your $$ help.
Some of these guys are so pathetic, they are funny. Let the wolves have him.
GoodEnough
08-15-05, 11:14
This guy isn't getting screwed. He's paying to sustain a fantasy, and she takes the money to let him have the fantasy. What's the harm? If he's stupid enough, or naive enough, or just gullible enough to believe everything she tells him at face value, or if he's too lazy or clueless to read boards like this to get an orientation from guys who have been there, it's his tough luck. Besides, if you shoot down his delusion, the chances are he'll just hook up with another, equally voracious filipina and repeat the same scenario all over again.
Who is to say who'se conning whom? This guy may have told her he's a 6'4" Adonis, with a fat bank account and successful business that he started after he got his Ph.D. in psycho-neurology, while in reality he's flipping burgers in a fast food joint.
We all create our own realities to a certain extent. He's created one that gets him through the day. My advice is to leave it alone.
:D
GE
Thanks for all the great advice.
BTW, I do NOT know if this guy sends her money. Of course I really don't know for sure if he proposed or if she accepted.
This is what I did:
I sent him a message giving him common sense advice about the Philippines. Don't propose to people you don't know, go there and meet several ladies, don't send money, if you DO send money 5000 pesos a month is enough. No reply, not even a thanks. Now I'm tempted to send him some pictures. "Here is your fiance wearing a pair of panties I bought for her. Do you like the color?"
Ah hell, I'll just send the pictures to you guys. Just give me a few days.
I sent HER a message and said I was unhappy that she had allowed my home email address to be picked up by "some guy". Her response was so revealing...."which guy? What's his name?"
And that's where I left it.
I'll add two more tidbits...
This trip I met up with a lady in Cebu. I had met her in April when she worked as a go go dancer in a different city. Back then, I paid her bar fine and we ended up spending the next two days/nights together. She was a lot of fun with a great attitude.
I gave her a call as soon as I arrived in Manila. She tells me that she is in Cebu and that she had "started a new life." Well, I was happy about that. She struck me as a really intelligent lady who wouldn't be in the ass-selling business for too long. She is also very fine! We meet at Bo's coffee in Robinsons just below Midtown hotel (my hotel of course). She had ordered a Mocha for me -- she remembered what I liked to drink. What a sweety. One hour lady we were humping and bumping in my hotel room. Since she had "started a new life" I didn't offer any payment, but I gave her a 500 bill for transportation at the end of the day. But what surprised me is that later she tells me she has a fiance who sends money ("10,000, but I only spend 5,000") and will soon be visiting. Wow. I boinked two fiances in two weeks.
Around this time I read an article in the paper. A seaman (30s) contracts AIDS. Comes back to the Philippines and give AIDS to his live in - a college girl in her 20s. The article goes on to say that she then had sexual relations with three other men, one of whom also gets AIDS.
The moral of all these stories:wear condoms and don't expect fidelity in a long-distance relationship.
x
My girl in Cagayan, who I've met 3 times in the last year, has informed we that she's married and has been since June. It looks like it's some guy from Iowa that she got to know on the web. They got married right away when he went there for their first face to face meeting.
I already knew something was up because she seemed much less needy about money compared to before. She talked about taking trips to Cebu and Dumaguete. The average Filipina student just doesn't have the money for that sort of thing. So I already assumed that she had some guy sending her money, but I was a bit surprised about being married already.
It looks like she wanted one last fling. She said that at the marriage ceremony she was imagining getting married to me. But who knows about that kind of hogwash, telling me what I want to hear and all that. Anyhow it's fine for me because she was great company and a great GFE for all the time I was with her. But I wonder about the guy who came here and married her. I would feel more sorry for him but his lack of good judgement holds me back from that. Whenever she does get to Iowa I hope they have a good life together. She's really a good girl to be with, even if not entirely forthcoming about what she's getting up to.
Actually she's inviting me back for my next possible visit in November. One last LAST fling? I'll have to think about that one since this time I'll know full well about her situation.
Anyhow, looks like I'll have to start looking for a new Cagayan girl...
I can't believe what some of these girls on here are asking for, you have to be making 100k you have to be this and that? I don't think they realize that they are not in a position to make any sort of demands especially if they are not all that.
Fastpiston
08-22-05, 02:19
I had a similar experience where a Filipina I know met someone on Internet. The guy promised marriage on Internet, came over here for the first time and did just that! I would give her no more than 3/10. It is truly amazing how naive some guys are. Just shows how desperately bad things must be with women in Western Europe and USA!
I wonder how many of us wouldnt do the same if we were looking for a wife or a long term partner. I'd probably check out several girls and see which one best matched my needs. I'd also probably be a cheating lying scoundrel and juggle them around until I finally settle on the 'right one'.
JP2U, Oh, you are so right. I sometimes feel guilty, but then I remember that most of my life it was I that was "desperate" to find a woman. In the Philippines the tables are turned and whenever the guilt thing starts, I remember.....
Pimpster,,,,they realize! They are phising!
X Man
I can't believe what some of these girls on here are asking for, you have to be making 100k you have to be this and that? I don't think they realize that they are not in a position to make any sort of demands especially if they are not all that.
I think that is precisely why they should make demands. They want to be wives, not doormats or sperm catchers for rejectsI would not marry a Filipina pauper but I would gladly help her negotiate. And I would do it for free. In my travels around the developed world (US, Canada, Europe, Japan, Ockerland), I have seen many good, young Filipinas make good wives to old (generally) white has beens. I salute them. I have met many good Filipinas here but I am an inveterate social snob. I warm when true class enters but I do not like the Atteneo fakes. So finding the right short nose is hard for this long nose.
I also salute X-man, Chocha, Cebu and some others here. The quality of posts on the Philippines board is much higher than the choir boy Thai thread. Allied to that, the Japanese one meets in the Phils are of a different caliber than the Bangkok pussycats. More Osaka guys, I guess. They certainly are a lot rougher and readier. What the Panthers (and their babrs) cudda done with them:)
If my girl of the moment sent me a message and said she doesn't have money to go to the Internet cafe...but she so much wants to chat with me everyday....I would be tempted to send some money. Probably wouldn't, but I would be tempted.
On the other hand, if they are in the Internet cafe everyday.....telling me about their money problems....my comment is ..."what the hell you doing spending money at the Internet cafe?"
Classic One:
"I'm very sick and need to buy medicine."
Wow, dragged herself to the Internet cafe while "very sick". My heart is bleeding.
Classic Two:
"We have no money for food" (If anyone has been following this thread, this gem comes from the fiance)
````` but I still love Filipinas.
X Man
Damn Domino,
Just when I think you are a complete luny, you come up with something extraorinarily lucid. Referring to your "wives" post....
Also agree that ISG Philippines has some excellent posts and some good people. I first figured out how to get laid in the Philippines 25 years ago so those posts I read just for the titillation. This site also gives great info on strategy, psychology, hotels, things to do, etc.
Some post are just plain fun. Love Domino's volunteer efforts btw. Just tell us how to send the 1000. Or, does she prefer to receive it in person?
I'm in Japan at the moment. Send me a pm if you plan to raise any banzai here anytime soon.
Yea, Japan. Instead of boinking 20ish women, I've had to put up with boinking 30ish women. But the lady Saturday night send me a message. "Thanks for Saturday night and Sunday morning too."
" Damn girl, the only thing I did on Sunday morning was bounce on top of your for thirty minutes." Oh, maybe she was thanking me for the cup of tea I served.
X Man
Chocha Monger
08-22-05, 18:50
I can't believe what some of these girls on here are asking for, you have to be making 100k you have to be this and that? I don't think they realize that they are not in a position to make any sort of demands especially if they are not all that.
Don't be perturbed by their demands. These LBFMs can't be expected to know that guys who make 100K and still have all their teeth don't have to go trolling for pussy on the internet. They can afford the price of admission for bulimic Ameriskanks with silicone tits and plastic vaginas.
These girls don't realize that guys shopping in the Philippines are value shoppers looking for Walmart pussy. LBFMs enjoy being all things to all men, and this is exactly why they're such a great value for the money. Why not be a gentleman monger and return the favor? You can be anything they want you to be short of a ticket back to Candy Land. Remember that the same way that you have no way of verifying anything that they tell you, they have no way of verifying anything that you tell them. Match wits with the best little scammers in the world and enjoy the game. This is where you get to develop your creative side.
Member #1005
08-22-05, 21:35
I can't believe what some of these girls on here are asking for, you have to be making 100k you have to be this and that?
Let’s put things into prospective here with many people keep going on about these girls asking for more and more extravagant demands. However, the reverse of this, which is not widely seen here are the guys who fuel all this demand. I have seen many guys on chat sites who all claim to be “rich” promising god knows what to the girls. I recall one guy who promised that if the girl would be his woman, he would buy her a red BMW and sent her a photo of this, as well as $100 per month, yet she was happy to hang with me (quietly :) ). So it’s no wonder these girls are reaching for the sky with more unrealistic demands and yet in when was the last time you saw a marriage Filippina in your neighbourhoods doing that well?
Whatever happened to the art of conversation? Remember, talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words, if you want to impress the girls just actually try going to the Philippines leave the promises until after you’ve met them.
Just thought I'd let you know that everything's still going well! She's met my parents, she's dead keen on sex (hell, has more of an appetite than me! Good old vitamin K helps though), and we're going off to PI land sometime in the near future.
Cebu Local
08-24-05, 13:40
Just thought I'd let you know that everything's still going well! She's met my parents, she's dead keen on sex (hell, has more of an appetite than me! Good old vitamin K helps though), and we're going off to PI land sometime in the near future.
Hi Simmer
Glad to know that things are doing fine for you,Remember I told you Good things were worth waiting for.Its nice to hear success stories like yours after all the horror stories on this thread.Let me know when you get to the PI and Maybe we could have a drink CL
Hi Simmer
Glad to know that things are doing fine for you,Remember I told you Good things were worth waiting for.Its nice to hear success stories like yours after all the horror stories on this thread.Let me know when you get to the PI and Maybe we could have a drink CLThanks CL - good idea. We'll be going to Negros and the Chocolate Hills so not too far from Cebu.
Cebu Local
08-24-05, 23:03
Thanks CL - good idea. We'll be going to Negros and the Chocolate Hills so not too far from Cebu.Sure why not,I would also be more then happy to buy you Lunch or Dinner.Cebu is like the main city for the region,Let me know when you come in cheers CL
Good luck! I met my Mahal in HK 5 years ago on my way to RP; I had told her that I would then see her again 30 days later, on my way back to BKK. Never made it back to BKK, just kept flying into HK every couple of weeks from Cebu to see her on her "Holiday".
Been married 3 years, never happier! All the while that we were courting and since we've been married, my career went into a tailspin (Telecom and stock market), but life goes on, we've been very happy. Just landed a career position at the Post Office, so maybe things are looking up career wise, but the 3 of us (13 month old daughter), again, are very happy.
She has also turned into a great cook!
When you getto Negros, I hope you'll pass through San Carlos City, nice little place, but the sidewalks roll up about 21:00. Have a great trip.
Chocha Monger,
Good point! My point was that. I can see some a perfect asking to marry someone for 100k. But, many of the girls that are asking for things like he got to have a phd, 100 k has to be this and that. They aren't even close to being hot. I would consider many of them average or below average, and kinda of rough around the edges or well groomed I. e. maicure etc. I wouldn't call them classy, well educated many of he so call colleges over there are sub par. Some of them have children and are past 28 years old and they don't want anyone more than 10 years older. I would be really curious to see if any sucker takes the bait.
Chocha Monger
08-26-05, 07:00
Pimpster,
Not only will some guys take the bait, they will swallow hook, line and sinker as well. Some of these girls may well be pushing 30 yrs of age with a few kids but the force is still strong with their pussies. Some of them will use that pussy to play Jedi mind tricks on the most skeptical of men. When that is combined with an exceptional ability to play an exquisite tune on the skin flute most love and attention starved foreigners will find themselves running to their respective embassies to fill out the paperwork for a spousal visa. They will wear the Ring and it will be the end for them.
Three rings for the Elven-kings under the sky/ Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone/ Nine for Mortal Men, doomed to die/ One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne...
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,/ One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.... -Lord of The Rings
Johnson994
09-14-05, 02:44
Where is the best place and cheapist for bareback full sex in the Philippines?
Where is the best place and cheapist for bareback full sex in the Philippines? Really anywhere and everywhere ! But really you need to find girlfriend or a girl that thinks you will marry her ! Dont find working girl too! dangerous ok!
If you want to go bare back! find your self a good girl that thinks you will marry her! NOT WORKING GIRL! It takes time but its cheap cos only going out on dates, best I had was met a girl in shop, she was working there asked her over for a swim. She arrived with out bathing suit! So went a bought one came back had great swim. Then instead of getting her to change in public area after swim. Suggest she has shower in room more better for her. Well there she is naked and showering, Just take it from there! I did and it cost me 50 pesos a day for her to catch tricycle to work and back from my hotel stayed for 2 weeks. And what ever I wanted when I wanted fo r the cost of 50 pesos a day! Cos she thought i marry her! Okay.
GoodEnough
09-14-05, 12:19
There must be at least 500 reports on this subject for anyone willing to take a couple of hours and read them. Why keep posting the same information?
GE
Well it's over a month since I left the Philippines but hardly a day goes by that one of the girls I spent time with doesn't spring some surprise on me.
The girl from Manila might actually meet me in Kansas City when I go there for a holiday in January. She's going to get her student visa in November and go study in Jacksonville, Florida. This will be a first for me to have a Filipina visit me in the States. Japanese girls used to go home with me when I lived in Japan. This girl is the most normal of the 4 that I spent lots of time with in July and August.
The girl from Cebu has been asking for money pretty regularly. No surprise there you say. The difference with this one is she comes from quite a well-off family. Her father is well connected with local politicians and businessmen. He's an electrical engineer and designed the digital message board at Santo Nino Cathedral. The family drive around an SUV and live in a nice house. They're also flat broke. Business has dried up and they've actually been using my girl's money to get food and gas for the ride. Now even that's running out so she's been asking for school money, electrical bill money, etc. True to my hard-hearted self I've evaded these requests. You really have to wonder about the Philippines economy if people like this are getting destitute.
This girl also stands out as a manipulator and schemer. Among other ruses she's pulled, she tried claiming she was a virgin to get me feeling more obligated. Even at the time it was obvious she wasn't. Lately she's been more forthcoming about past boyfriends, including one guy that I've met before. Small world.
The girl from Cagayan, as I reported before, informed me after I left the Philippines that she's been married for some months. Now she's saying that she really loves only me and she's willing to divorce the other poor sod for my sake. She's offering to meet me again for my short visit in November, but I'm not sure if even I'm that immoral. But she is great company, has a firm body to die for and is a dream in bed. So I'm afraid I will remain tempted.
The girl from Davao, who charms all in her path, ran away from home. Her chat window popped up one day from Pagadian, on the other side of the island from Davao. Her father, also a professional like the one in Cebu, is similarly out of work (Is this country getting worse than ever or what?). Some family quarrels followed and she felt like she needed to get away. She's now back in Davao, working hard to pay her expensive Ateneo fees. She hasn't asked for money yet, only hinting at it so far. I might consider actually bending my personal rules and opening the wallet some.
Mind you, these girls are all quite normal, girl next door types. All are college-educated, fun to be with, very pleasing for a man in all ways. Almost any guy would consider them marriage material. But after getting to know them fairly well, only 2 of them still seem like good long-term relationship material. The one in Cebu plays too many head games and the one in Cagayan also has obvious issues. So in this sample even some of the best of the nice, regular girls are only a 50-50 bet. Food for thought for any of these guys coming over on 1-week courtship and propose tours. Everyone out there keep a clear head.
Mahku,
Thanks for the very interesting posts.
Just curious, how do you know the family is flat broke? Have you confirmed this?
It just strikes me as the same old bullshiiiiiit many of the girls use. It's pretty obvious they share information just as we do. Hell, her bull (my assumption) is probably more believable because of the situation...and a true sucker might think there is more potential for being paid back. Why depend on Daddy to give an allowance when she can make as much as Daddy scamming?
I know a lady who seems genuinly to be well off. When we chat, she appears to be in a small apartment and from what I can see she's middle class, with a good job. She's never given me any reason to doubt her, which is besides the point...
Without me prying or anything she tells me some of her friends have quit their jobs in order to scam online. I guess it pays more.
Hmmm, virtual reality prostitution.
X
I found a yahoo message board which, at first sight, seems to imply it might be similar to this message board.
In fact, some girls post, but it's mostly a bunch of Sunday school banter. One guy writes in with a bunch of religious mumbo jumbo. The next post is quoted below. At first, I thought it was real. But, now I wonder....is this very subtle sarcasm? Maybe Dominic knows...
***
Well, I am bringing my best friend with me to the PI in November. We
are looking for a really godly woman as well, and we'd like the Lord to
bring her to us, and give her to us.
How do we expect to meet her?
Probably by accident, fate, or God's working.
I don't know what to do or think. But putting messages on this board is
better than sitting at home watching a movie, right?
Some of us are just a bit lonely, and would love to have lifetime
partners.
GoodEnough
09-15-05, 15:17
Though much of the Philippines is a chimera, now appearing as one sort of reality, and then as another sort, the decline of opportunity for middle class professionals is, it seems, real. The country is simply not creating jobs, particularly in MIndanao, and foreign investment in this island is quite modest and shrinking. It's possible therefore, that everything claimed by the women to whom Mahku refers is true. Of course, it's equally possible that it's all bullshit as this is the land of the endless variations on the same (my carabao died) scheme. The internet merely offers scope for additional thematic variations.
Xman, if these bible thumpers are not attempting sarcasm, then I hope they're committed soon. This country has enough missionaries--most of them from the US--to start several new religions. They are having an impact, as the most rapidly growing religious movements here are not Catholic, but various evangelical sects. As if this place isn't nuts enough on its own!
:D
GE
X-man
1. The sites you draw our attention to are virtual substitutes of the old marriage dating agencies. More than 15 years ago, all kinds of minor cult members used to advertize in them. Women wives, mail order, remain the Pi's chief export.
2. Good Enough's post is great food for thought and the members of whacko religions want to get out as much as good Muslim/Catholic girls.
3. Don't let membership of this esteemed forum con you into believing that all Asian women want to be hookers/doormats for white guys.
4. Given the zero options available with being a good Catholic, it makes sense to join a whacko cult and divorce oneself off from the untouchables. Anyone familiar with India's caste sytem will understand this dynamic.
5. Davao is littered with whacko churches: they are well funded and dynamic. They offer certainty in this crazy country.
6. In Rizal Park every weekend (3 pm Sunday is best), the bible thumpers all meet and duke it out. It is great fun and a real eye opener. Domino has joined in on a few occasions and has won all his bouts. He has only met one Pinoy who knows the score: a burly schoolteacher he took for a goon/hitman told him the authorities are happy with this biblical circus as it keeps the unemployed masses happy with "bread and circuses". The priest opposite in San Pedro Cthedral, meanwhile, rabbits on, mentioning corruption etc but cannot hit the nail on the head as someone will then hit im on the head.
Mahku,
Just curious, how do you know the family is flat broke? Have you confirmed this?
X
Very good point. In fact I can't even be sure that this girl is even a member of this family, and not just part of a well-planned scam.
That's why my rule when faced with these situations is this: Express total sympathy, believe only what I've seen with my own eyes, and above all cultivate a blank spot in my vocabulary for such words as 'Western Union.'
Laughed out loud when I read your post.
I'll assume you have a gut feeling that this girl / family is legit.
As Dominic rightly points out, not all the ladies are scamming and Xing. That would be a generalization and a stereotype which is very untue.
x
GoodEnough
09-16-05, 16:53
Ah Mahku, if I had not met you I would think you were something of a skeptic. Who could doubt the continuing soap opera-like epic that is life in the Philippines? Nothing here is sad; it must be tragic. The concept of liking does not exist, but loving madly certainly does. Mild anger is not within the Philippine lexicon, but screaming hyteria is common.
The personal life histories of these ladies are but microcosms of the political arena, in which there are villains and heros aplenty, and they are mostly interchangeable, but there are no shades of gray. This is a culture in which subtlety does not seem to exist, and which has no sense of its own irony.
This is a place deeply imbued with the importance of empty, but sweepingly dramatic symbolic gestures, which is what allows the government to pass myriads of laws to help the poor, few of which are ever implemented and even fewer of which are ever funded. This is a country that articulates wonderfully ambitious economic goals which, once trumpeted with great fanfare, slowly sink beneath the muck of public consciousness, never to be heard of again, only to be replaced by similar, if not identical fiats several months later.
Truth, as we would define the concept in the West, is not synonomous with truth here. Facts count far less than transient emotions, which may be expressed sincerely at the time they are uttered, only to be forgotten as the next emotion sweeps through. Therefore, if a girl needs to make up a preposterous story to express how she is feeling at a given moment, the recounted facts may be (usually are) bullshit, but the emotion is probably valid, albeit temporary.
Succinctly, life here is but a play, and the Filipinos, for the most part, merely players. The tragedy is that the farce has been running so long that it's now accepted as reality.
:D
GE
Johnson994
09-16-05, 22:12
Really anywhere and everywhere ! But really you need to find girlfriend or a girl that thinks you will marry her ! Dont find working girl too! dangerous ok!
If you want to go bare back! find your self a good girl that thinks you will marry her! NOT WORKING GIRL! It takes time but its cheap cos only going out on dates, best I had was met a girl in shop, she was working there asked her over for a swim. She arrived with out bathing suit! So went a bought one came back had great swim. Then instead of getting her to change in public area after swim. Suggest she has shower in room more better for her. Well there she is naked and showering, Just take it from there! I did and it cost me 50 pesos a day for her to catch tricycle to work and back from my hotel stayed for 2 weeks. And what ever I wanted when I wanted fo r the cost of 50 pesos a day! Cos she thought i marry her! Okay.Thanks. It seems you are the only one that answered my question. I am not that good looking but I will try a regular girl and then if I strike out I will look for a working girl. Where are the working girls?
CanContrib
09-23-05, 00:30
Really anywhere and everywhere ! But really you need to find girlfriend or a girl that thinks you will marry her ! Dont find working girl too! dangerous ok!.
There are semi-pro's who aren't dangerous at all. You'll know who those are if you're good friends with them for a few years. :-)
To your main point, it doesn't matter if you marry her but once you settle on one you wind up as good as married, since Pinoy traditions guarantee that (meaning: "as good as") will happen in due course. Anything other than a very short-term arrangement suggests both caution and being very sure you're making your best choice. Having a few semi-pro friends is great, kasi sometimes wala satas sa bahay mo, and you really do need an oil change, so text an old friend and say "meet me!".
As for the permanent arrangement, well, yesterday we're on the way to pick up some supplies in Zapote, and she says to me "we need to save for when we get really old and can't walk anymore, so that we can pay someone to look after us". (We have no kids and likely won't.) She knows that my money is her money and (unlike North America) the money she earns goes into our mutual pot too. It's really a "we" thing, was from the beginning, and after the years is even more so. On the other hand, when you have someone who cares almost *too* much it's really tough to get away for even a short while. She's too afraid something bad will happen if you go over to the next street after dark to have a drink with your neighbours, and will make sure to remind you of her fears at length an hour later. Means texting back new gf prospects way too often "siguro bukas na lang, cge?
Life is tough sometimes. You can have an "asawa", or you can be free. Having your cake and eating it too, requires a lot of magic, araw araw. The more she sincerely loves you, the harder it is to have fun.
CanContrib
09-23-05, 00:56
If you want to go bare back! find your self a good girl that thinks you will marry her! NOT WORKING GIRL!
I have a wonderful long-time friend. She's not a "working girl" by some definitions, but then again she does have a few bf's who make donations from time to time to support her and her kids, and I know that. I'd give too much away if I told how we met, but I'll reveal this much - the first time we really got together she ripped her panties due to a bit of urgency on her part. We still laugh about that. (no, this is not my wife!) First time there was just no way any condom was going to have any chance of being installed; too much heat happening. After, we had a talk about that. Yeah, she's fine, and we arranged for her to get un-pregnant, and I'm fine too. Now she *always* uses a condom, even with me, and reminds me that I taught her that. She reminded me again yesterday, and also that she's looking forward to "next time" anytime I can. BTW, I don't and have never paid her, but I do help her out sometimes, mostly times when we can't get together! Times we can and I have no money - money doesn't matter for that.
CanContrib
09-23-05, 01:14
Guess who just woke up and came to see what I'm doing! I'd better make this actually useful contribution fast, and still without giving away anything she could attribute to me if she trips over this - and she knows enough that she might.
So there's this 18-year old gf-wannabe, out here in the provincial burbs of Manila. She finally got me to meet her mom, and Tatay, and Nanay and, and, and, the other day. She's well aware meron-asawa-dito-ko and is trying to figure out if I'm her friend or her lover or what. Her subdivision is the next thing to what looks to me like a squatters area and I'm not so sure I'll be accepting too many after-dark invitations to be there even with her and her family. Walking through the sludge to see her family's new "house" has me contemplating sending an elf of hollow-blocks, sand, gravel, and cement as a small gift. Not that it could even get close to where it's needed since the "street" is a whole single meter wide and that includes the open sewage "drain"! There's poor and then there's *poor*., and she's better off than a lot here! I wouldn't have gone in there if she hadn't dragged (escourted) me to her family. All this is within walking distance of our fairly upscale subdivision. She doesn't yet know that I will help her some, but I did leave her to think about how much of a gf she wants to be before I do anything more or even pass any clues.
CC, having problems following you. Were the last three posts about the same woman?
Unlike you, I love those visits to the places where ordinary people live. what a great experience. I've never regretted it, and sometimes regretted not talking someone up on an offer that was ....just too far.
Anyway....a quote...
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i am so longing that i can have my husband in other country like america because i know that the western man is honest, caring, faithful and good lover.
i am looking for long relation not in games but i am so serious of my search.
****
Yea baby, I don't want to be your husband except for the sex parts, I'm honest (other than the numerous white lies) caring (for myself), faithful.....YEP, never had sex with a penis other than my own.....
good lover....probably not....seems like I have to pay for it a lot.
NOTE: When these ladies tell their lies and give their bullshit, please don't let them know that you know. If you do, you are just helping them polish their scams. Much better to reply, "Oh baby, how can I help!"
My Mongeror friends, I know this topic has been raised here before (by me), still no one came out with a good answer or a comparison, so I once again kindly seek your valubale advsie!. Also, how different are the prices in both places for ST and LT?
Thanks
White Wolf
10-05-05, 22:50
My Mongeror friends, I know this topic has been raised here before (by me), still no one came out with a good answer or a comparison, so I once again kindly seek your valubale advsie!. Also, how different are the prices in both places for ST and LT?
ThanksIt all depends on the quality of the girl and the amount of time you want to put in it. But lets say an average for the phils is 1200-2500 ST and 2500-3500 LT. I can't give you an average for Thai pussy as i haven't experienced that enough yet.
For anything else about Thai vs Flip I have only seen that Filipinas in general provide for a better GFE. But as my Thai experience is pretty limited i'm not the best to judge that.
White Wolf
10-05-05, 22:55
Thanks. It seems you are the only one that answered my question. I am not that good looking but I will try a regular girl and then if I strike out I will look for a working girl. Where are the working girls?Johnson994,
It all depends on where you are in the Phils or going to be. Almost every city has its own location where to get working girls. But in cities like makati, qc, ermita, davao or cebu its pretty easy to find them. Just read the forum thread that comes closest to your area.
CanContrib
10-06-05, 23:55
CC, having problems following you. Were the last three posts about the same woman?
Hehehe, no.
There is my wife (akin asawa Pinay), and then there are some Pinay friends. :) Bad news to mix them up! Though my friends have seen me with my wife more than a few times, and have later after some intimate moments remarked about how much they perceive her positive qualities and understand why most of my life is with her.
Unlike you, I love those visits to the places where ordinary people live. what a great experience. I've never regretted it, and sometimes regretted not talking someone up on an offer that was ....just too far.
Hey, I'd *love* to go to a lot of places, but my current situation somewhat restricts my freedom to do so. It's a trade-off, and for me a fairly good one. All in good time.
Anyway....a quote...
****
i am so longing that i can have my husband in other country like america because i know that the western man is honest, caring, faithful and good lover.
i am looking for long relation not in games but i am so serious of my search.
****
Yea baby, I don't want to be your husband except for the sex parts, I'm honest (other than the numerous white lies) caring (for myself), faithful.....YEP, never had sex with a penis other than my own.....
good lover....probably not....seems like I have to pay for it a lot.
NOTE: When these ladies tell their lies and give their bullshit, please don't let them know that you know. If you do, you are just helping them polish their scams. Much better to reply, "Oh baby, how can I help!"
You've perfectly illustrated why my current life-partner is my best choice, even if nothing is ever completely perfect. Meanwhile, my life isn't all *that* dull. I just have to be very careful and choose and make good use of my opportunities, and of course I can't post all that many truly personal details that would somehow get back to her and really screw things up. Having your cake and eating it too takes some skillful juggling.
AdventureMike
10-10-05, 12:37
For those fellow mongers who want further flexibility or lower cost than the Fly the Bus or Taxi options from Manila, you can take a short (5 min from Domestic terminal, probably 10 from Intn'l) cab ride to "5-Star bus lines" and they have buses every 30-60 minutes that leave for Dao (a short 6-8 min trike ride from AC). The trip is direct (only stops to take on passengers) and takes 90 min (maybe less if you do not come at rush hour like I did).
The bus cost is 127p and the cab and trike costs depend on your negotiation skills (I paid 100p for each). Buses are new, comfortable and have air-con and the attendants on the bus conveniently have change for larger bills (unlike every #$@#$# taxi and trike driver in PI).
The bus passed through EDSA so you could probably also board there if you are already in Manila, but I did not recognize the exact location.
[My apologies if this info is redundant but I did not see any bus mention in the several AC pages I read through.]
Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....
Nite_Runner
10-24-05, 01:34
Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....I would say 100%.. Once you marry her, her family comes along as a package.. I have fallen victim to this and it is quite hard to say "no" when they come calling for various "things".. Yes, we have helped them start numerous businesses, buy cars, houses and for one reason or another, they would always bomb out... You (and your wife) will have to learn to say "no" or they will bleed you dry.. It comes down to the "haves" vs "haves not"... You have more than they do so you should pay everytime there is an emergency (or not)...
ChuckPinoy
10-24-05, 11:14
Have kept girlfriends in each location and none compares to the Philippines. After 4 years I can maintain loyal relationships there and they are sincere.
Thai girls are beautiful, but they are more different than Americans. Mongolians can be beautiful, but they are so remote in tehir culture and so tied to Russian history for their country that they don't identify.
Filipinas are the best and will stay with you with very few questions asked. A simple $150-200 will keep a premium grad student reserved for you in Manila.
Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....They will not contact you. Your fiancee will be the one to either ask or use money you send her to help them.
It is virtually impossible now to sponsor relatives. In fact, it has become extremely difficult to file a K1 or K3 Visa. Most of them end up in Administrative Review. Length of time 3 months to over 1 year. Have you met this girl in person that you are planning to marry?
Nite_Runner
10-24-05, 16:10
They will not contact you. Your fiancee will be the one to either ask or use money you send her to help them.
It is virtually impossible now to sponsor relatives. In fact, it has become extremely difficult to file a K1 or K3 Visa. Most of them end up in Administrative Review. Length of time 3 months to over 1 year. Have you met this girl in person that you are planning to marry?Tatsuo..
We just sponsored a family member (brother and his family) and it took approx 18 months.. Lots of phone calls and letter writing... And it does not stop once they arrive stateside... Not just the culture shock however, they will need complete care and feeding for the first two years.
Nothing to add, but I agree with the advice you're getting. I went through it as well. Listen to these guys. You NEVER marry just the girl.
FD
Tatsuo..
We just sponsored a family member (brother and his family) and it took approx 18 months.. Lots of phone calls and letter writing... And it does not stop once they arrive stateside... Not just the culture shock however, they will need complete care and feeding for the first two years...I know this is my first post but I've been lurking for a while... If you bring her family to the states, you're screwed! Keep them in the phils and just send some money once a month or so... I married a little filipina and she should be here soon. She has mentioned her family coming for a "visit" but I just kinda let it float out there without an answer. I told her its ok if she sends half of her paycheck home every month once she's here and working and she seems ok with that. But I will not let her family come here! I have said in the past that it will be better if we just go visit them every now and then. She seems ok with that too. I've heard alot of horror stories about letting family members come here! You are responsible for them when they get here! I will NOT do that! I've also heard that once they come here, you're loving filipina wife will change as well! I don't know about it first hand but, I don't intend on finding out either!
Goodluck man!
Deep Diver
11-07-05, 10:11
Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....
First off you (nor can your wife) can not sponser any non immidiate family member( IE, cousins nephews aunts uncles grandparents )unless they are under the age of 18 and you or your misses is the legal guardian of that person or they are invalids. Brothers and Sisters take anywhere from 3-10 years for approval and it has to show that they are a benifit to the US and will not be a burden on the social system. (IE educated or have a sufficent income/savings to support themselves in addition to what you would pledge if they fell on hard times.) 90% of the time the visas are denied. Also your new family members would be uneligable for any state aid benifits for a mimimum of 5 years once they were approved. Parents a bit easier and can take anywhere from 1-3 years depending on thier location. If they are visiting the US and deside to stay if they apply for the visa they can stay while there visa is under review. however this does not give them the right to work and free movemnet out of the US.
Take my advice if you dont want them to come here on a perminate basis then dont even invite them over. I made this mistake with a peruvian wife. Now I have a filipina and there is NO chance that will happen again.
NOTE: waiting times are on average they can and some times do take a bit longer
Cebu Local
11-07-05, 10:25
There is a form of undertaking that they can be made to sign at US visa section where they undertake not to attempt to change status once they get their visitors visa and giving the US the right to immediately cancell their visa and deport them if they attempt to do so.This might go down better with the little woman then saying I WILL NEVER ALLOW YOUR PARENTS TO VISIT US,In Filipino culture that is very cruel and heartless,90% of Filipinos would advice Marry the bastard,get your citizenship then Divorce him.A poll of 6 of my Filipina staff found that cruel and heartless.Much better to say Yes dear,They can come over to visit,but first they have to sign some papers........,you can also secretly fax the US embassy in Manila that they have intentions to change status.They will be denied off course their visas,then you can say,I wanted to have them over,but you know those#@%&%@$ guys in the embassy wouldnt allow them.....
Deep Diver
11-07-05, 10:53
There is a form of undertaking that they can be made to sign at US visa section where they undertake not to attempt to change status once they get their visitors visa and giving the US the right to immediately cancell their visa and deport them if they attempt to do so.This might go down better with the little woman then saying I WILL NEVER ALLOW YOUR PARENTS TO VISIT US,In Filipino culture that is very cruel and heartless,90% of Filipinos would advice Marry the bastard,get your citizenship then Divorce him.A poll of 6 of my Filipina staff found that cruel and heartless.Much better to say Yes dear,They can come over to visit,but first they have to sign some papers........,you can also secretly fax the US embassy in Manila that they have intentions to change status.They will be denied off course their visas,then you can say,I wanted to have them over,but you know those#@%&%@$ guys in the embassy wouldnt allow them.....
That form you were refering too no longer is available thanks to our supreme court. Since the US is the land of the free people are allowed to APPLY to change thier status any time they like however in only extreme situations do they get approved (ie there is a war or natural disaster ). They wont deport them however You as the american citizen is the sponser not the wife who may only have a 2 year temp resident visa. Best advice DONT sign anything !!!
Also once in the US all immigration matters are no l onger refered to the issuing county but to the district office of INS who may get reference from the originating country.
Cebu Local
11-07-05, 11:14
That form you were refering too no longer is available thanks to our supreme court. Since the US is the land of the free people are allowed to APPLY to change thier status any time they like however in only extreme situations do they get approved (ie there is a war or natural disaster ). They wont deport them however You as the american citizen is the sponser not the wife who may only have a 2 year temp resident visa. Best advice DONT sign anything !!!
Also once in the US all immigration matters are no l onger refered to the issuing county but to the district office of INS who may get reference from the originating country.Thank you for enlightening me,but again I am not into obtaining anything beyond tourist visas.I learned something new and useful today.Obviously not being American,I do not follow US immigration regulations much.I do some work for Canadian Immigration concerns but thats a different story.No wonder the rate of US visa denials has gone up from 85% to 96% recently.It must be tougher now thatthey can apply to change status without being forced to return to the PI to reapply Thanks again
on another front when did this SC take effect??,I have a natural born american citizen friend living in cebu with his filipina wife and 2 small kids,they basically denied his family a visa to visit the grandparents in the US unless he would sign a paper saying that they swore under oath not to change status when they visited the US and that he would be liable for perjury if he did so and gave the US the right to deport them if he did so.This was to ensure he would not shortcut the waiting period.He refused and the family just ended up going to Singapore and HK with Grandpa and Grandma.I am excited since this SC ruling could help my buddy??
Deep Diver
11-07-05, 13:10
on another front when did this SC take effect??,I have a natural born american citizen friend living in cebu with his filipina wife and 2 small kids,they basically denied his family a visa to visit the grandparents in the US unless he would sign a paper saying that they swore under oath not to change status when they visited the US and that he would be liable for perjury if he did so and gave the US the right to deport them if he did so.This was to ensure he would not shortcut the waiting period.He refused and the family just ended up going to Singapore and HK with Grandpa and Grandma.I am excited since this SC ruling could help my buddy??
I will find it via theinternet web page since all supreme court rulings are posted in one form or another along with each judges point and PM it to you when I have found it
Ok Guys i just got back from the Philippines, unfortunitly i only spent 4 days in manila and 20 days in cebu ! Did not have much time to go out as i had work and other things to do, but i did find something very intewresting.
I never new exsisted in the philippines, only in thailand !
Found a members only club which had floor show !!!!!!! I was lucky enough to spend the night with the Starlet of the show ! This was before i knew what the show was !!
Before 12 midnight it was just the normal show of girls dancing and taking bra's off etc , then once midnight came it was on for young and old! Listed below !
1/ 2 girls eating each other !! Wow !
2/ Smoking a full ciggarette with their pussy !! Amazing !
3/ A pussy sucking up a full bottle of San migual and then spraying the beer from the pussy of the audience !
4/ The united nations flags being pulled from the pussy !
5/ 3 ice blocks in the pussy then popping out in to a empty jug, folled by putting them in a glass of beer and having an audience member drink the beer!
The list goes on !!
The Starlet did tell me that they rarely ever have a foriegner ( Western ) go there as its private! Entrance cost is 2 beers at 150 pesos if i remeber correctly. Ladies drink are expemsive for westerners, bottle of beer 450 pesos but glass is only 190 pesos for the ladies. Rate girls ok bodies 7 to 8s all of them, faces well its up to each man what he likes, smiles 9s he he. boobies for filipino's 9s as i hate all the small breats girls from the proviences that are 80% in the clubs.
The main difference is that these girls you dont find at the normal clubs that we go to! they all have large tits smallest was 34 b, also they are around 5' 4 tall and taller, and very pale skin. These are not from the proviences thats for sure! Do they bar fine ? i have no idea as i was just out with a friend drinking for the night. But as i have made very good friends with the starlet i can fine out the situation if anyone is interested !!
The clubs name is called CHECK IN !!!
I do have the address as not many taxi drivers no it
Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....Enjoyed reading all the responses. I married my filipina wife back in 2003 and made sure she was an orphan. Slight joke only. She has been estranged from her mother's side of the family for years and was raised by dad. He had TB when I met him and could see he wasn't going to be in the world long as it was evident he was on his way to congestive heart troubles. Younger brother was a druggie and older brother a bit of a bully to her when young. So guess what she has no interest in anybody coming around for any reason.
Now we just got back from a 15 day trip over there. I spent 3 days in Manila and then 12 days in Angeles partying. She spent 2 days with family (what's left) and came back with some tears in her eyes. Her nephews and nieces were skin and bones since her brother got himself into a motorcycle accident. What else is new? Saw her mother who only complained about her problems but didn't offer a hello or a hug of any kind. That really hurt her but she sucked it up. All that brought her back to me in Angeles as I am not going all the way out to Taytay in Rizal.
After a few days with me she was bored with Angeles as I spend most of my time drinking with Fred and Tony in Roadhouse and Champagne. This time visited school friends (had a better time) and cleaned up the area around her father's grave. Still she was glad to get back home as she found the Philippines too hot, too noisy, too smelly, carzy drivers, and unreliable power. I laughed at that as she lived there for 21 years.
Now at home she mentioned she might like us to get a home over there to use for vacations. I go no home is ever going to be cheaper than a hotel. Two, where will this home be since I spend my time in Angeles and Puerto Galera. So she says a home in a sub-division with maybe a smaller quarters off to the side. Hmmm! Yep, this would be for her brother, sister and law with their 4 children. So I simply say maybe some day after all we have here is secure and paid for so forth and so on. However, there would be definited rules such as not allowed in the main house, no pigs, no chickens, no roosters, no stray animals of any kind and no stray motorcycles. Basically rules like my friends in AC where parents are allowed over for a day only, no nights, and they must call a day or so ahead.
Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....Hello,
I am a filipina and im just giving my own opinion regarding that. As what my cuzin experienced. She has 3brother and 6sister imagine that. She marry this guy from germany. That man knows everything about my cuzin, she never lie and that's good. They know each other thru chat. My cuzin help her family. But in conclusion she supporting her family financially. They have an agreement between my cuzin and his husband. [You can help and support your family once in a while, but the point of the husband is, there making there own family.] Hes just pointing out the right thing to do. My cuzins is very lucky for having supportived husband. GoodLuck and just have faith that everything will be settled in good conversation.
My opinion here is that you can talk to your fiance, what your plan. You can help her nephew and niece but before doing that decide first for yourself. Both of you will understand each other if you talk sincerely. Its good to talk about it now rather keep it to yourself. Marriage is not just a relationship but for long time period of time. So, its better to talk every single matters that involve your loveones.
To all of you, not all the filipina people wants a rich Expat to marry them. The facts saying that 93% filipina wants a rich man and 7% just want a good companion. Where just family oriented country so you cannot change that. Everybody here's is doing good to help and support there family's being OFW and so for. So hoping that all of you will understand that. In fact, through my own experienced i meet a lot of Expat from good to bad. Yes, i fall inloved twice but i never regret that. The reason why we broke up, we just not suit for each other, but still were good friends.And that's the good thing, no regrets. I loved to be GFE, for a week or a month because i want to know more about them. Its not just for fucking but to have someone who have a good sense of humor and a good companion. Is not the money, but the happiness that you will leave to them. That would be our price. Where not here just to earn, eventhough that was our reason. Where just extending our selves to them who in need of someone they can talk to and laugh with. Thank you.
Dannah Mae
Frequent Flier
11-10-05, 09:25
To all of you, not all the filipina people wants a rich Expat to marry them. The facts saying that 93% filipina wants a rich man and 7% just want a good companion. Dannah Mae
Eh? Did you get that one backwards or does the fact that 7% are looking for a good companion and 93% are seeking a rich man prove your point through numbers only. If this is the case I would say that most to all are seeking a rich foreigner to marry and very few care about the relationship.
FF
Cebu Local
11-10-05, 12:05
Eh? Did you get that one backwards or does the fact that 7% are looking for a good companion and 93% are seeking a rich man prove your point through numbers only. If this is the case I would say that most to all are seeking a rich foreigner to marry and very few care about the relationship.
FF
Dont Generalize,I personally know at least 8 upper middle class or higher Filipinas who have turned down rich foriegners.One good friend was on a modeling job in HK when this Arab dude sent her a pair of Diamond earrings worth 30 US$K to make her go out with him,She sent them back.She is a MTV .VJ.Another Female friend who came out in the Philippine Tatler as one of the top 10 most eligebile women in the Philippines.,has turned down rich Japs,Brits,Aussies,Chinese and is sticking with her Pinoy BF.I just booked them at Boracay over the long weekend.Maybe 7% is too high,lets try 2% maybe???
Anyone have any idea or where i would go here in makati to get a local id or drivers license in makati, need to get local rates at my hotel since it saves me one half the regular cost.
Cebu Local
11-12-05, 13:02
Anyone have any idea or where i would go here in makati to get a local id or drivers license in makati, need to get local rates at my hotel since it saves me one half the regular cost.You need an Alien certificate of registration to get a local drivers license,You have an ACR,You automatically are a local.But the problem is getting the ACR.The LTO office is located along Taguig Street,Barangay Olympia Makati.Good luck
MasterBlaster
11-12-05, 19:47
Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....
Once married and settled, a Filipina because of her culture will have the urge to act as a 'savior' to her family or relatives who are in need. Although you mentioned that her family or relatives are not destitute, you will really never know where they stand economically until it hits you. You should try to control your would-be wife's urge even as you start the relationship. Negotiate. Explain what would work for both of you and have her agree to it. If it requires that she work for what ever she sends back home then lay it down. Make it certain that your own family comes first before anything else.
Found this on one of the online matchmaking sites.
hello to all....
hi im ***...i have a sense of humor as my fren found their stomach aching in laughing..hehehh just teasing here..will i dont know why im here maybe it just that..im bored or what...but i suggest you will have to know me better and you will see me mysterious..its a challenged from me GUYS....
so hold on your breath as you enter me for once your in me you will be tie by me hahaha..im serious and i mean it...looking forward to seeing you here..
***
I am married to a filipina and we both live in South Korea. While it is true that my wife wants to help her family out as much as possiable. We have talked about it and have agree only to help her brother get through college. Also if you marry a filipina remember there are a lot culture differences between american culture and filipino culture. You will have to work these out between the two of you and be aware that there will be a lot of fightning the first 1 to 3 years because of culture difference.
Bigchez
Going through the personals, I can see so many of these ladies describe themselves as simple. Simple?
What exactly do they mean by that? I know many are rather poor, so they may mean "of simple means".
Am I missing something?
X
Going through the personals, I can see so many of these ladies describe themselves as simple. Simple?
What exactly do they mean by that? I know many are rather poor, so they may mean "of simple means".
Am I missing something?
X
Basically it means having a roof over there head, food to eat, and a minimal amount of money for there personal needs. Having expensive items or things of materialistic value is not important to them.
Going through the personals, I can see so many of these ladies describe themselves as simple. Simple?
What exactly do they mean by that? I know many are rather poor, so they may mean "of simple means".
Am I missing something?
X
I think it means they are "low maintenance." They don't need/want a lot of luxuries. You won't have to take them out a lot. They will be content with a nice home and a husband who is responsible.
I think a lot of them say whatever they think you want to hear though. She may hook you and suck you dry.
I think it means they are "low maintenance." They don't need/want a lot of luxuries. You won't have to take them out a lot. They will be content with a nice home and a husband who is responsible.
I think a lot of them say whatever they think you want to hear though. She may hook you and suck you dry.
What J Boy is saying about "they can hook you and suck you dry" is somewhat of a true statement, but I would like to elaborate on that some more, as well as address further the "living simple" statement, and meeting a filipina over the internet as X Man is attempting to do. I do have considerable experience in the Philippine culture and it is my belief that many of the women you will meet over the internet who reside in the major metropolitan area's such as Manila and Makati will scam you, and tell you whatever you want to hear as this is there hustle, preying on men by manipulating them with falling in love with them. Contrary to this, you will find many women who are from the provinces who do live a simple lifestyle with just the basics and are happy with that. They to are on the internet, but most are on there seriously looking for love and affection. Yes, they are also seeking stability, security, and opportunities, but what woman doesn't? It does not matter what part of the world you are in, and you cannot blame them for this. We all want to have the very best and we establish our goals to achieve it. I truely believe a filipina woman when it comes to having a relationship or marriage is the premier woman in the world today, because of there passion to please there man, and they recognize that a man is the leader in a household. Family means everything to them and they will treat you like a King no matter what materialistic things you may have, or the type of lifestyle you can offer them. They are happy people even getting by on a modest means.
You need an Alien certificate of registration to get a local drivers license,You have an ACR,You automatically are a local.But the problem is getting the ACR.The LTO office is located along Taguig Street,Barangay Olympia Makati.Good luckI live in AC and do so on a tourist visa for the past 2 1/2 years, with perioidic visits to the US.
I have a drivers license here and no alien certificate.
I simply wne to LTO and rec'd it (a temp one) the same day. The plastic one took 6 months though.
Thank you for the comments on what "simple" means. I would like to elaborate just a bit on what "on the go" has written.
I generally avoid the ladies who claim to be from "Makati". More than a few are scammers who seen to think a Makati address looks more sophisticated.
Girls from the province should not be trusted unconditionally. I met a conniving little b..tch from Davao. I had a lot of fun with her, but her "fiance" was a bit disappointed.
No problems when I was with her, since I was fairly generous, but she pulled every trick out of her little black e-mail bag after I was back home. Really pathetic. Some examples...each from a seperate email (she had money for the Internet cafe!):
We have no money for the electric bill.
I will send you a copy of the bill to prove to you.
My mother asked me to ask you for help.
We have no money for food. My father hasn't had work.
I missed my period. I'm very worried honey.
This was back in August/September. The other day she sent me her picture, wearing new bikini (not the one I bought her) poolside at the Mandalay Hotel.
On the plus side, if anyone is interested in her, let me know. Small, slim and will do it on the first date. Usually has to go home early, so leaves you time for evening play. She will give you GFE. just give her an incorrect email address. :-)
CL,
I've gotten drivers licsenses at both Angeles and San Fernando LTO's with just a passport (US) for ID. Just used a business that I know for the address.
FD
Cebu Local
12-13-05, 12:10
CL,
I've gotten drivers licsenses at both Angeles and San Fernando LTO's with just a passport (US) for ID. Just used a business that I know for the address.
FDFD,I stand corrected,I forgot that Provincial LTO offices are not as strict as Makati.But Makati LTO was looking for an ACR,Well I learned something new and useful Thanks FD
I just recieved this email moments ago from a girl I have been emailing and talking to actually in Makati where she works at a call center. I had to laugh since it was exactly what we were speaking about with the simple life and all. She is actually from Olangapo.
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:48:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "rhia xxxx" <rhia_xxxx@yahoo.com> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
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Subject: Re: MY HONEY KO!!!!!!!!!!
To: "edward xxxx" <eddiexxxx2000@yahoo.com>
i was so touched with your letter...... you really touch my heart, you really do........ I love your sincerity and honesty, and all the passion you show for life and for our friendship. I wish you would not work so hard as it is not that important to me, if we ever decide to build a serious relationship like I want. I know I want but I know you tell me you are not ready and I can appreciate that, as most men would lie to me, and you have never done that or mis lead me.
Please dont over work yourself for you work to many long hours. I can wait to see you soon, we dont need more money honey, all i want is
2 be with you..........im a simple girl, just love me, that is enough....
honey, please take care of yourself... i will be waiting for you.
mwaaahhh!!!!!!
your future wife & queen,
Rhia xxxx
C L,
You should have been there to read the written test for the motorcycle licsense that I took in San Fernando. I was laughing out loud at some of the questions ! The Pinoys around me must have thought me nuts !
FD
Don't laugh though, she could be a true gem, you just have to wait and see.
I met maybe 50 Filipinas online and through snail mail (well, maybe several hundred contacts, but only met about 50 in person). There were 3 or 4 scammers or something like that but the rest appeared legit. The one I wound up with has been with me for 5 years through thick and thin (it has been very thin the past 3 years) and we are quite happy. Good luck.
Don't laugh though, she could be a true gem, you just have to wait and see.
I met maybe 50 Filipinas online and through snail mail (well, maybe several hundred contacts, but only met about 50 in person). There were 3 or 4 scammers or something like that but the rest appeared legit. The one I wound up with has been with me for 5 years through thick and thin (it has been very thin the past 3 years) and we are quite happy. Good luck.
I am not laughing at all Harvey Wb, and when I said I was laughing it was because of the timing of the email came immediately after I was making my post regrading Filipinas stating they have "simple lives". The point I was making was that in IMHO 90 percent plus of the girls who are living outside the major metro area's are very serious about finding that special love one to put in to there lives. As I stated in my initial post on this subject below, I feel Filipina women make the greatest lovers in the world because of there dedication and devotion to family and to there man.
As far as I go, I am not interested in any girlfriends or relationships. I love them all and could never be faithful. In addition I love having my own space and freedom and that is why a relationship would never work for me. I would be miserable as hell!!!. This is what I told my friend who responded with the email I posted. The girls I choose to correspond with, and share in friendships with, I never mislead or give them false hope. I make it very clear that I am not the relationship type of person who would make a good lover, for the reasons I just stated.
Fast Eddie 48
01-04-06, 07:53
I think online dating for filipina is a big waste of time at lease for me anyway
just got back from a trip to pi 3 days in manila 4 days in cebu , be talking to
10 filipina in online dating contact all of them by cell phone 3 no show after
set up meeting , one bring her mom to my hotel only 17 yr old , one bring her
cousin after work 2 hr late and 2 are virgin want to save it after marriage and
only one with action 25 yr old don,t look anything like photo and ask for money after , i have much better luck in china on freebie may be because i
am chinese and speak cantoneses.
fast eddie 48
I think online dating for filipina is a big waste of time at lease for me anyway
just got back from a trip to pi 3 days in manila 4 days in cebu , be talking to
10 filipina in online dating contact all of them by cell phone 3 no show after
set up meeting , one bring her mom to my hotel only 17 yr old , one bring her
cousin after work 2 hr late and 2 are virgin want to save it after marriage and
only one with action 25 yr old don,t look anything like photo and ask for money after , i have much better luck in china on freebie may be because i
am chinese and speak cantoneses.
fast eddie 48
Hi Fast Eddie,
you are serious about the girl taking with her a chapperone???? O man...this sucks big time!!! I mean...wtf they think???
My girl in Filipinas is 23....and i asked her if it was ok for her parents if she spends her free time with me in a hotel. Her parents didn't object because they said she was old and wise enough.
I usualy also try to find (online) 3-4 honies to meet up when i am there. I am curious how things will go if i am in the filipinas....i am a first timer.
Anyway.....sorry man you had such bad experience in the filies.....
Johan.
Not unusual. I met many girls and several had chaperones, but my mongering was kept separate from my "meetings".
Had a friend who ditched a girl for her chaperone cousin, LOL.
I’m continuing this here because it seems to belongs here rather than the Angeles site.** If you are using online sites you will likely find girls all over the map…including Filipinas in Hong Kong. Some sites I know of: 2mu in AC, Cherry Blossom, Filipinaheart, Euro???, Friendfinder. Please feel free to add to the list, I’m sure there are hundreds of places. You can also do Yahoo member search by area, but I haven’t had much luck there. Quite a few of the yahoo ladies I dug up never replied. Probably middle-class types who already have boyfriends.
**BTW, does this topic deserve its own thread? It would be nice to share notes. We could also swap profile info if we are subscribed to different services. I’ve been at Cherry Blossom, but may soon discontinue.
Reading the posts in the AC thread:
Junior, what do you mean when you say, “hence, thats why a majority of guys (who visit online friends in PI) are rather old.” I don’t understand the cause / effect relationship.
Raspewtin, I generally agree with the three categories you have presented, but I can think of a few others. Here’s one:
Ladies who want you to send them money, sometimes known as scammers. Many are extremely good looking and willing to show some skin…for a price. Don’t send money and don’t get your hopes up to high when you get in-country.
Ace of S, it doesn’t bother me that they chat with many people (I do), but it bothers me when they are chatting with many people at the same time and they are on cam. I guess it’s a jealousy thing. You say that most seem like scammers, but that’s not my experience. Where are you meeting all these scammers?.
X
Online
A while back someone asked about success rates for non pros that I met online. Since I had a very small statistical sample, I was worried that the success rate I gave may have been an exaggeration. I think I said something like 50%. Having just returned from the Philippines, I can say that after sampling a larger group (pun intended) 50% still seems valid. Out of five ladies I met face-to-face, I had sex with three of them – all three on the first night, although one of them made me wait for the second night before there was insertion (she claimed to be a virgin). As for the two I didn’t score with, I didn’t try. In fact, I didn’t really try with one of the girls I scored with, but she knew what she wanted. There were two additional women who wasted my time, but I never met face-to-face.
Does anyone want to hear the boring details?
*** disclaimer: I do not know for sure if all these girls were truly non-pro. I have my doubts about at least one of them. I gave about 500 for transportation money to two of them. One asked "what for" and the other just took it. Both wanted to spend more time with me. The "virgin" spent several days with me and she got a 2000 peso budget in addition to the fact that I covered all expenses. She tried to give it back to me on the last day.
Member #1005
01-21-06, 18:38
Junior, what do you mean when you say, “hence, thats why a majority of guys (who visit online friends in PI) are rather old.” I don’t understand the cause / effect relationship.
X Man
I have been at this corresponding business for twenty odd years, but as I have pointed out that when I begun it was via air mailed letters, however, from my experience of these on-line sites that you have mentioned (it would be useful to others if you put in hyper-links)
The Cause
You will find that many of these guys who are chatting to these younger prettier girls, all claim to be:
(a) handsome, some claim to look like Brad Pritt, Tom Crusie or a younger version of George Clooney.
(b) rich, and many claim to earn six figured salaries work for large major companies and hold positions of power. Not only that many of these guys also claim that they can get these girls high paying jobs in their countries at the drop of a hat.
(c) well travelled, and are constantly travelling the world and will soon be in their neighbourhood to meet these girls.
The Effect
Many of these girls believe this bullshit, and all the rest of the excuse for a while and become a bit too selective about who or whom they wish to correspond with because after all which sounds better having a guy that’s handsome, rich and is a frequent fl(liar) always on business or having some average guy who boasts to be none of these things?
The reality is that in my experience and I know that this was backed up by a census that was carried in Thailand a few years ago, was that something like 90% of the guys that were actually arriving there were aged 40+. Hence that is why I say the only people travelling to the Philippines tend to be the old or the bold one who do travel. This is no big deal really but for any guy who is serious about seeking a wife from the Philippines I would suggest you actually go there ASAP, if you start corresponding with decent girls before all these other guys fuck her brain up with their sweet sounding lies.
My Experience
If you had time I could really tell you some interesting stories, but just a quick one, I have a good friend from Cebu who is one of the original girls I used to correspond with, she is now married and has two kids and live with an ex-serviceman in one of the Midwestern states, I keep in touch with her family and we still exchange Christmas cards.
I actually wrote to about thirty girls at that time, but I actually used to travel to Cebu, I recall one girl who was in the province of Cebu, who after writing for a while sent me a letter saying she had met some handsome guy and was going to marry him and live in his country. I visited Cebu, six weeks later and would hire a taxi for half a day to drive me to the provinces to actually knock on these girls doors, just to say hello. As I was passing her Baranguy (village) I stopped and with some difficulty actually found her home because there are no formal streets as you would find in other countries.
So I went into see her and was surprised at her because she was OK, nice body ( I’d fuck it) face was average, I can only guess the photo she sent me originally was when she was much younger and fresh faced. What I discovered was that one, she couldn’t speak English very well, had little formal education and shock and horror she was not the one writing letters to me, it was her cousin – who was a GUY(?) Spent and hour at her home, speaking through her cousin and left, even the taxi driver was surprised by her and then tried to offer me a cousin of his who as a real college girl and beautiful. I am in Cebu for two weeks, and two days later I had visited Toledo with my friend’s family as I like seeing the countryside left early in the morning came back at around 8pm. I walk into my hotel and this girl is waiting for me with a female cousin or friend, are waiting for me in the lobby, turns out they had been waiting for me since early afternoon.
Anyway my friend mother and father are with me and intervened, being Filippino-Chinese they are very protective of their guest. The jest of it was this girl had travelled and waited all day and really wanted to be with me and says its too late to go home now, can they stay in my room. My friend’s mother says stuff, in Tagalog with arm movements and raised voices and basically (I am assuming here get the fuck back home you w-h-o-r-e!, they never gave me a translation) gets her purse out gives her some money and send them on their way home. For the rest of the time I was there this girl was calling the hotel every day, leaving messages saying she wanted to meet me, and this way before the mobile revolution, then when I left was writing saying she wanted to be with me, she loved me and wanted to marry me, or rather I should clarify and say her male cousin was still writing the letters. I did write back once and told her I was getting married, thinking that would be the end of it. But about a year later she writes back asking if I am still married and that she still wants me etc, and send me some revealing photos in a bikini, taken in a studio, which as most of you already know girls from the provinces do not readily wear bikinis.
That is only one story but I have hundreds, if only I had time.
X Man I suggest you write to Jackson asking for a specific thread for online dating and web chats discussion.
Ace of Spades
01-21-06, 22:18
X-MAN,
I have met them in various chat rooms. Typically, the girl will claim she is in love with me in just a few days and then ask for money. At that point, I don't bother talking to them anymore.
Junior:
I have been meaning to ask you about your experiance with FILIPINA outside the Philippines. For example, HK, KOREA, JAPAN or maybe even back in the States. Do you find them just as sweet as in their country or do you find them different?
If you wish to comment on adding a seperate thread for info regarding online encounters, you can do so at this location: Click on "All the Forums" and go to the bottom where you will find "Site Admin" and then click on "suggest new forums".
I posted this request:
Currently in the Philippines section there is a discussion about online dating and web chat encounters (in Angeles and Filipina threads). I think there is enough interest to creat a seperate thread for this growing method of meeting and wooing the objects of our affection -- without getting burned in the process.
X Man
Member #1005
01-22-06, 22:30
I have been meaning to ask you about your experience with FILIPINA outside the Philippines. For example, HK, KOREA, JAPAN or maybe even back in the States. Do you find them just as sweet as in their country or do you find them different?
Ace of Spades
First off, I am not from the States, I am British but as you are Canadian and belong to the Commonwealth you will understand that here in the UK we don’t have many Filippinas. I have only ever seen one young guy (under 35) with a Filippina girlfriend or wife. Most of the Filippinas we tend to see here are aged 30+, former nurses and typically married to a much older guy of around 65+. In the UK there are many Indian girls because the Indian subcontinent is part of the Commonwealth. I don’t know why there are not many younger Filippinas in the UK, even my Swedish friend from Gothenburg commented that in her home city there were more young Filippinas compared to London; she was one of these Korean adopted by a Swedish family when Korea used to export their unwanted babies. I doubt the average Englishman on the street could make out the Filippino accent, whereas I could.
I have met sevral Filippinas who have visited London and through a friend of a friend I would be sent an e-mail asking if I could show this person around London and look after them, but only in the social sense not sexually. But these girls tend to be educated overseas and have wealthy parents who expect their daughters to marry a future Senator or even future President of the Philippines.These are for want of a better word “high maintenance”.
In other countries, in HK you have to frequent the malls on Sunday morning where all the Filippinas hang around on Hong Kong Island near the Star Ferry, for open air Sunday service. I once met a nice girl there by accident because she was starring at me so I started speaking to her she worked as a domestic. It’s a pity I was not in HK for long because I am certain I would have been tapping her ass.
X Man – Can do, if you want to start that thread.
Ace of Spades
01-22-06, 22:57
The reason why I asked is because I have had experiances with FILIPINA abroad where they been totally afraid of me, "stuck up" and had this funny atitude towards me like "at least I am not Black." I have seen this in TAIWAN, HONG KONG and even my own country where these girls think they are in DISNEYLAND doing the most undesireable work in a given country A friend of mine named CLANDESTINE on this board from the US has had the same experiance and on many different occasion.
I have concluded that the girls who can afford to go abroad and are NOT AVERAGE. They belong to the middle or upper classes in the Philippines. Hence, they can be very selective in who they talk to and require high maintenance as you have sugguested. These girls just ain't sweet and are too WESTERNIZED.
As for the UK, I believe as you indicated filipina would be coming as nurses and I believe hospitals would require extensive experiance before hiring them after graduation. So this might explain the lack of young fresh filipina there.
Just a couple of notes:
In Canada, Philippinos are curently hover around 3-4 of the highest number of immigrants brought in each year. Most of these immigrants gravitate to either Toronto or Vancouver. I read a recent report that said Toronto had a Philippino population of 150,000 in 2001. How do they get here? A large number come over on the care-giver program (become of live-in nanny for two years, then gain automatic status as permanent resident), but many also gain admittance on their own competence in skills or education. In short, to be an immigrant to Canada, these Philippinos must have skills, education and some money.
You can get into Canada on the care-giver program fairly easily (take note for mongers who want to bring their girlfriends). What is needed is a contract for employment and go through the gov't process. I can write a full report on the process if the community wants it. If they don't have this help from Canada, the philippina needs to pay an agency around $3-5,000 USD to basically line-up the job and file some papers. What a rip-off!
For any kind of immigration, they need education. Even the care-giver program requires around 2 years of college as this is equivalent to a high-school education in Canada. The upshot of this ramble is that the philippina in Canada is very different from what the mongers typically experience in The Phil. They have education and some access to capital.
Can you get a sweet Philippina in Hong Kong - absolutely!!! But you must remember that these women are not stupid. They know the score from either personal experience or that of their friends. Even the sorriest-looking expat can get a harem of girlfriends. The girls only have one day off per week. So, if you want to get crazy, you can have a grilfriend for each day of the week. In fact, I've known some men who have tried that (although it causes havoc on public holidays).
I hope this report has some value. It's early in the morning here in Canada and I'm a bit sleepy.
Cheers,
Tooch
These philippinas in HK have either had their heart-broken or have friends with stories. So, they have become very battle hardened and are not easily seduced. You can still seduce them, but it will take some time in many instances which is something a travelling monger does not have.
Ilongo_boy
01-23-06, 19:22
Hi Tooch,
Would you mind posting that care-giver report? Thinking of getting one myself in the near future. I was just in Manila for a month.
Thanks,
IB
RasSpewtin
01-25-06, 18:31
I am adding this report here, as suggested by X Man.
Filipina Chat Sites, My Three Pesos
I joined a Filipina dating site a few weeks back, and my inbox has been absolutely flooded with girls from all over the PI who want to meet up. I have chatted with many, to the point where it sometimes occupies too much of my free time.
Meeting even a reasonable fraction of them is out of the question, as the duration of my trip to the PI in Feb will be 2 weeks, and I will only hit 3 destinations. But I will be one of the guys that actually travels the distance and meets a select few. Sounds like a great way to spend a holiday to me.
On the dating site, I have found a few real gems, a few wastes of time, and a couple of scary-looking trannies. However, in general, they all seem to fall into 3 distinct categories:
1. Very young and innocent young lovelies, who claim to be virgins (and likely are), and want Prince Charming to give them (and sometimes also their families) a better life.
2. Mid-twenties to early-thirties lovelies, who usually have kids and want Prince Charming to give them and their kids a better life.
3. Older and usually not-so-lovelies, that want a man with a pulse and at least a few bills in his wallet.
If I goes well, I may post a few highlights next month. As for the genuinely sweet ones, they will remain private.
Raz
RasSpewtin
01-25-06, 18:32
Tooch:
I am also here in Canada. I am all ears. If you care to post your knowledge and details on the care-give angle, I would appreciate it greatly.
Raz
Non-Canadians, please ignore this post
HOW BRING YOUR FRIEND OVER TO CANADA FOR A NEW LIFE UNDER THE CARE-GIVER LIVE-IN PROGRAM
Eligibility for Care-Giver Program
She must satisfy these three criteria;
1) have the equivalent of a Cdn High School Education. This translates to 72 college credits in the Philippines
2) must have a basic speaking understanding of English (or French!) This is so they can function in society and can do a basic task like call 911 if necessary
3) they must have some proven skill/ability to take care of children/elderly. This means they have either six months of full-time training to do this OR they have experience being a nanny to children or a care-giver to the elderly. This means they must have been employed at this task. How Long? 12 months employment during the last three years, including six months of continuous employment with one employer.
How to get the process going;
She needs to have someone offering her a job and go through the paper process with Citizenship and Immigration Canada (please google website) This is a rather straight-forward process. In fact, they give you a kit for everything you need to do. They also have a help line. Of course, you can always go to an agency and pay $3-5,000, but that is not necessary if you hustle to find someone willing to "sign the contract" and fill-n some applications.
The important thing here is to have the job offer and go through the process whereby she cleared to come to Canada. She could theoretically come to Canada and never work for that person. She can always quit. She is able to stay in Canada for one year while looking for new employment. The good news is that she will find a job very easily.
Important Note: one of the requirements of the Care-Giver LIVE-IN program is that the nanny is supposed to live with her employer. However, I know many who have their own apartments and I very much doubt they will ever get caught.
Getting Permanent residency;
Once she has 24 months of accumulated residency in Canada (if she is unemployed during the period or she goes on vacation to the Philippines, this time is deducted), she may apply for an open work permit to work at any job -as well permanent residency. Permanent Residency is pretty much automatic. She can also apply to bring her family (husband and children if applicable) to Canada at that same time -which will be granted in time (about one year). From there, she will be able to apply for Canadian citizenship in three years (instead of the normal 5 years as she has already completed two years).
Time-Frame:
Because of the high volume of immigration applications from the Philippines, there will be wait of 8-12 months from the time the application is submitted before she arrives in Canada. If she come from another country like Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, Dubai, etc., then the waiting is drastically reduced. For example, it is usually only a four month wait from Hong Kong
Good Luck! I hope this inspires someone to help that special friend. I did this almost three years ago. My friend is now a permanent resident and I am glad I was able to help her change the quality of her life.
Cheers,
Tooch
Ilongo_boy
01-25-06, 20:55
You're a good man Tooch and thanks for the info. BTW, I'm also in Canada.
IB
Cebu Local
01-25-06, 23:51
Tooch
Thanks for posting the Info,A special friend of mine is also leaving for Canada this year under the program.Her papers are already with the embassy.But being non-resident Canadian,I had to have a friend in Toronto hire her.Cheers
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