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I am adding this report here, as suggested by X Man.
Filipina Chat Sites, My Three Pesos
I joined a Filipina dating site a few weeks back, and my inbox has been absolutely flooded with girls from all over the PI who want to meet up. I have chatted with many, to the point where it sometimes occupies too much of my free time.
Meeting even a reasonable fraction of them is out of the question, as the duration of my trip to the PI in Feb will be 2 weeks, and I will only hit 3 destinations. But I will be one of the guys that actually travels the distance and meets a select few. Sounds like a great way to spend a holiday to me.
On the dating site, I have found a few real gems, a few wastes of time, and a couple of scary-looking trannies. However, in general, they all seem to fall into 3 distinct categories:
1. Very young and innocent young lovelies, who claim to be virgins (and likely are), and want Prince Charming to give them (and sometimes also their families) a better life.
2. Mid-twenties to early-thirties lovelies, who usually have kids and want Prince Charming to give them and their kids a better life.
3. Older and usually not-so-lovelies, that want a man with a pulse and at least a few bills in his wallet.
If I goes well, I may post a few highlights next month. As for the genuinely sweet ones, they will remain private.
RazDate websites are an excellent way to meet Filipinas. I met my wife on a website called Cherry Blossems and before I meet her I had a lot of fun with many on the women from the website. There are also some Filipinas that will introduce you to their cousins, aunts, and sisters to try to give them a better life. My wife and I are going to do a free website to try to find some good american men for her younger sister and some of her single cousins. As for Raz in my experience you are right the filipinas fall into those three areas. There is one more I like to add.
Sweet and hardworking, a filipina that has gone outside the Philippines and has a job in Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, etc.... They are very loving and look for good qualities in a man. They do not look for money because many of them are making decent money.
Bigchez
Bigchez, did not meet my wife on CB, but met many friends. My wife and I still chat there occasionally (I introduced her to the site). I did meet 32 chatters in Davao just before I proposed and took them all to Jack's Ridge, overlooking the city. Actually, I started inviting people 1 month before my trip and it kind of snowballed from there. My now wife was stuck in HK as an OFW and was not amused few of your favorites.by my shenanigans. About half of the ladies are now in the US but we lost track of some who are still in RP.
It was/is a great way to make friends and possibly get to meet a few. I wrote/chatted with hundreds in the 5 years before I made my first trip and met 7 or 8 that stood out. Then I got to meet many more as friends in subsequent trips.
Hello to all,
just a little bit off the topic. I called my gf today (remember its Valentinesday after xmas and before holy week a mayor holiday in PI) and ask what she is going to do at Valentines and she says she was visiting a funeral of her friend.
The mother of her friend died, she had cancer for some time and I would know that girl , cause she was also working in a chat and before she worked at Mistys.
In fact I know the girl and she was always telling that she worked there, cause her mother got sick with cancer and they had to sell the house and thats why she worked there , because she needs money to pay the bills and medicine.
Why do I post here? Just to tell that it s not allways bola2 made up just to get some easy money or some extra cash to support the filipino bf or so.
Personally, it gave me some thinking, cause I only believe what I see, specialy in SEA.
Everyone have a good day!
Blink157
Cebu Local
02-14-06, 23:37
Hello to all,
just a little bit off the topic. I called my gf today (remember its Valentinesday after xmas and before holy week a mayor holiday in PI) and ask what she is going to do at Valentines and she says she was visiting a funeral of her friend.
The mother of her friend died, she had cancer for some time and I would know that girl , cause she was also working in a chat and before she worked at Mistys.
In fact I know the girl and she was always telling that she worked there, cause her mother got sick with cancer and they had to sell the house and thats why she worked there , because she needs money to pay the bills and medicine.
Why do I post here? Just to tell that it s not allways bola2 made up just to get some easy money or some extra cash to support the filipino bf or so.
Personally, it gave me some thinking, cause I only believe what I see, specialy in SEA.
Everyone have a good day!
Blink157
Blink
There are many genuine cases of females in need,But there are many bullshitters also.You still have to be on guard.For example,A internet cafe I frequently visit is located on Burgos in Makati.Speaking Filipino and Cebuano,I overhear what the bargirls discuss and once I heard a girl tell her friend,that so far Her Aunt DIED 16 TIMES this year already.Take care and best regards
Frequent Flier
02-15-06, 07:19
hello to all,
just a little bit off the topic. i called my gf today (remember its valentinesday after xmas and before holy week a mayor holiday in pi) and ask what she is going to do at valentines and she says she was visiting a funeral of her friend.
the mother of her friend died, she had cancer for some time and i would know that girl , cause she was also working in a chat and before she worked at mistys.
in fact i know the girl and she was always telling that she worked there, cause her mother got sick with cancer and they had to sell the house and thats why she worked there , because she needs money to pay the bills and medicine.
why do i post here? just to tell that it s not allways bola2 made up just to get some easy money or some extra cash to support the filipino bf or so.
personally, it gave me some thinking, cause i only believe what i see, specialy in sea.
everyone have a good day!
blink157
i agree that sometimes it is true, but the 99% of the time that it is false keeps those who truly need help from receiving that help. so who is at fault here? the girls should not be so quick to embrace the bs side or to accept those who do pull the bs on foreigners. they are at fault not guys who are not willing to believe the bs while trying to peel the layers to see if there is truth. the sad part is on the filipina side.
ff
FF is dead on. And if you have to peal layers, that's already a good reason to just say NO.
I once had a Filipino professor in uni in CA. He said something like , "Filipinos are like the survivors of a sinking ship." "While in the water they'll desperately grab the sides of the lifeboats ... sometimes turning over the boat.". Either everyone survives or no one survives.
Not sure if it makes sense to you, but it made sense to me at the time and still does.
x
Blink
There are many genuine cases of females in need,But there are many bullshitters also.You still have to be on guard.For example,A internet cafe I frequently visit is located on Burgos in Makati.Speaking Filipino and Cebuano,I overhear what the bargirls discuss and once I heard a girl tell her friend,that so far Her Aunt DIED 16 TIMES this year already.Take care and best regards
The Flips are known for outrageous lies like that. When I worked for a construction company we had to require many documents for a death in the family because all of the employees from the Philippines were claiming the same relatives had died more than once. Funny, but true.
Anyone want to send money? I love the way her ym name changed half way through....to "honest xxx". I used xxx to disguise her email address and names.
BTW, can you actually send money to someone with only a first name? How does the sending money process work at xoom? Don't worry, I'm not planning on sending anything. Just curious.
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xxxfilipina_woman: I am Just here hopen that someone have a good heart to help me here,...you know i am the one VICTIM of Landslide
X: I'm sorry to hear that.
xxxfilipina_woman: Its Okey baby...I am so much sad to think it
xxxfilipina_woman: I hope you Gonna have willing to help me here baby
X: Are you in Leyte?
Honest xxx: Yeah I am Dear
X: What town?
Honest xxx: ormoc
X: I've made a donation to a charity here in Xland that is helping landslide victims.
Honest xxx: Good
Honest xxx: Baby I am so much needed ur help...I hope you Can do help me....please
X: ?? What do you want me to do?
Honest xxx: Okey Baby..I am Just need a little bit amount for make a Home to stay good and have to sleep with my family baby...
X: OK
Honest xxx: Baby i hope you Are serious to help me here..that i am need a little bit amount to make a home to stay good bbay
X: But I don't know how.
Honest xxx: Okey Baby You there a way cheaper you Could send the money to me...and its really can big help with me baby....
X: How?
Honest xxx: www.xoom.com/sendmoney
X: Okay, I'll try.
Honest xxx: Just click that web site and you can go them web site Baby
X: What's your name?
Honest xxx: I am xxx
X: I think I need an address or full name or account number....I can't just send money to "xxx".
I married a pinoy, and, from my experience, I can claim that she, and some of her friends, are very materialistic. If I did not pay the bills, she'd be gone! She goes 'home' (as she calls it) every year for a few weeks while I take care of our kids. Before marriage, she was very sweet. Now she is happy when she has new clothes (almost every week!) and I am 'loved' as provider. She, like many other pinoy, are too close to her siblings, cousins etc and all of them want 'goodies' whenever she visits. I would not marry a pinoy if I had my time over again. My advice - beware!!
CanContrib
03-30-06, 23:40
I married a pinoy, and, from my experience, I can claim that she, and some of her friends, are very materialistic. If I did not pay the bills, she'd be gone! She goes 'home' (as she calls it) every year for a few weeks while I take care of our kids. Before marriage, she was very sweet. Now she is happy when she has new clothes (almost every week!) and I am 'loved' as provider. She, like many other pinoy, are too close to her siblings, cousins etc and all of them want 'goodies' whenever she visits. I would not marry a pinoy if I had my time over again. My advice - beware!!
I suspect you mean "Pinay" (vrs "Pinoy"), unless of course you married (ugghhhh! bakla!
To the issue, well, what did you expect? Is that so much different than in whatever country you're originally from? Certainly boiling it all down isn't that much different than in NorthAmerica, and actually better than there. That stated, have you given her a way for *her* to pay the bills for her, her family, and you? What profitable business did you set up for her to manage and earn income to pay your mutual bills? If not, try it! Pinay do have some pride and (yes of course there are exceptions); most Pinay will be much more appreciative if you give them the means to fish for a lifetime for their immediate family (YOU!) and your mutual extended family, rather than you just throw them a few fish (pesos) daily. It's not unusual for me to tell akin bayau (brothers-in-law) that my wife paid for our drinks tonight. Works for me.
Speaking of "siblings", this is a good opportunity to mention just how highly I regard akin asawa's siblings. They ride shotgun for me, and we provide alibies as best we can for each other. We all have the same problem, the same problem that afflicts any male in anything other than a short-term relationship, which succinctly is that good sex goes from 3 times a day to once a month - if you have a good month! You don't like, it, break it off and start over. Doesn't matter what country. Or, deal with it together with *her* siblings (who have exactly the same needs) and have yourself a good life (which I will post another update on as soon as I have time - look in the Manila forum for past, present, and future on that, since it encompases Malate and the rest of Metro Manila, Las Pinas, and northern Cavite.).
Back to siblings .... we provide mutual alibies as much as we can, and we go out together as much as we can for as long as we can. Of course, we do take a bit of time out seperately (while we're "together") to have some fun with the current catch-of-the-day. Give thanks for your SO's large family, and be especially happy when they come back from their OFW contract and blow a bunch of hard currency on your needs in appreciation of what you did for them the last few years. It's fun to set them up with a nice girl too. It's fun just getting together for food and drinks on nights we can't convince the wives why we need to go out. It's fun when we do go out comparing who got who for "love" vrs what the odd-one-out had to pay for (or we paid for him). All in all, I wouldn't want to be without them!!!!!!!!
CanContrib
03-30-06, 23:49
FF is dead on. And if you have to peal layers, that's already a good reason to just say NO.
I once had a Filipino professor in uni in CA. He said something like , "Filipinos are like the survivors of a sinking ship." "While in the water they'll desperately grab the sides of the lifeboats ... sometimes turning over the boat.". Either everyone survives or no one survives.
Not sure if it makes sense to you, but it made sense to me at the time and still does.
x
My Pinay wife periodically mentions the Pinoy "crab mentality", which I think pisses her off even more than it bothers me. Picture a bunch of crabs trying to get to the top of the heap by pulling down anyone higher. It's real. Unless well-incented at the outset, anything resembling teamwork here is an exception.
Holton Cowboy
04-01-06, 01:29
If you are living in the Philippines with plenty of time and want an easy way to find a live-in gal that won't be after you for marraige. Here is what I did.
I got on www.adultfriendfinder.com and searched only for women that were seperated. Divorce is not permitted in the Philippines so marriage is out of the question. I had a 24 yearold beauty to move in with me in only a week and I'm an old man, not a young handsome guy.
I've bought her a few things in the last 6 months, perhaps $150..00 worth of stuff, mostly clothes.
Cebu Local
04-01-06, 04:37
My Pinay wife periodically mentions the Pinoy "crab mentality", which I think pisses her off even more than it bothers me. Picture a bunch of crabs trying to get to the top of the heap by pulling down anyone higher. It's real. Unless well-incented at the outset, anything resembling teamwork here is an exception.It has something to do with the Cultural tradition."walang iwanan"Nobody gets left behind or "samasama" all together.If a guy succeeds by advancing,He has"betrayed"them by leaving them behind.Sort of like a Filipino movie I watched,Where the hero goes off to the states and becomes successfull but is lonely being separated from the family and gang,So he gives it all up to return to the PI and its a happy ending.He has less money but he is happy,Go figure.Anyway my 2 centavos opinion
It also depends upon who they hang out with here. I notice changes in my wife, sometimes subtle, sometimes not, when she starts a friendship with a new group of Filipinas.
She was an OFW in Singapore and HK, a "good girl" from a poor family in Ilocos and not materialistic, would get pissed at me for sending her (or her family) simple gifts. She is a good buffer on the few requests tha we have received in the last 4 years, offering reasonable compromises. Our financial status has hopefully stabilized, but I'm making about 25% of what I made 5 years ago, so we are the "nots" mixed in with a few groups of "haves".
A friend from Hawaii gave me some good advice when we were in Cebu 5 years ago and I follow it to this day. When her behavior changes, I don't stand for it, just tell her to straighten up (in other words, appropriate to the situation).
3 years ago she had a "tampo" episode one night a few weeks before she was (possibly) going home for a visit. She came out of the bedroom with tears in her eyes and said "Hoooney, I'm sorry" ( I was pissed), and I asked her what day she wanted to leave. She excitedly told me and asked when she would return. I said "Return? Who said anything about you returning?" We laughed about it later, but I think she knows my philosophy and it has not changed.
GoodEnough
04-02-06, 04:47
[QUOTE=Harvey Wb]It also depends upon who they hang out with here. I notice changes in my wife, sometimes subtle, sometimes not, when she starts a friendship with a new group of Filipinas. QUOTE]
Harvey has absolutely the right idea. I've found, in my now 2+ years of living with the same woman that from time to time, you need to make the rules clear. In my case, it's simple. Anything that causes stress in the home or in my life, and that can be removed, gets removed. I had enough hassles with life in America, and I'm too old and too selfish to tolerate more of them now. I'm lucky, in that my lady understands this and she goes well out of her way to make sure that life in our home is as hassle-free as possible.
I cannot speak for anyone but myself, but I do not want another "partnership between equals," where we discuss differences of opinion and debate endlessly what may be an amicable resolution. This may be because I invariably lost such debates even after thinking that a reasonable compromise had been reached. Life is simpler now in that I decide the way it's going to be. If this is harsh, so be it. If this is selfish, well, I' at a stage at which I figure I've earned the right to be somewhat ego-centered.
One of the nicest things about the PI, in my opinion is the option that it offers to structure your life, especially your domestic situation, pretty much the way you want it to be. Why recreate the same levels of stress that prompted you to leave your home country?
:D
GE
Cebu Local
04-02-06, 09:00
well I cant argue with you guys,Personally GE knows I have opted to go with Chinese for practical reasons.Filipinas are fun,But for Business and Life Partner........I believe I understand them and can get along with them But they are not that practical and are ruled by emotions rather then their heads.Just my personal opinion on my personal choice
Cebu Local
04-02-06, 09:35
It also depends upon who they hang out with here. I notice changes in my wife, sometimes subtle, sometimes not, when she starts a friendship with a new group of Filipinas.
She was an OFW in Singapore and HK, a "good girl" from a poor family in Ilocos and not materialistic, would get pissed at me for sending her (or her family) simple gifts. She is a good buffer on the few requests tha we have received in the last 4 years, offering reasonable compromises. Our financial status has hopefully stabilized, but I'm making about 25% of what I made 5 years ago, so we are the "nots" mixed in with a few groups of "haves".
A friend from Hawaii gave me some good advice when we were in Cebu 5 years ago and I follow it to this day. When her behavior changes, I don't stand for it, just tell her to straighten up (in other words, appropriate to the situation).
3 years ago she had a "tampo" episode one night a few weeks before she was (possibly) going home for a visit. She came out of the bedroom with tears in her eyes and said "Hoooney, I'm sorry" ( I was pissed), and I asked her what day she wanted to leave. She excitedly told me and asked when she would return. I said "Return? Who said anything about you returning?" We laughed about it later, but I think she knows my philosophy and it has not changed.I am glad you have gotten control of your domestic situation,More power to you.Cheers
Dragon Slayer
04-02-06, 11:24
Pals,
I could write volumes on the Subject of FIlipinas AND Chinese Women. In 2 1/2 years I have met and fucked nine Chinese women all living in PR China or who were born/educated there and moved elsewhere. None were Pros and one was an MD. I never met one I did not fuck within 1-2 hours after meeting. On Filipinas I guess I have around 150 of them but I would have to think awhile. Only 5% were Pros. I did meet some that I struck out with but none in the last couple years.
Chinese women are far less mercenary. This I can state with certainity. They also are more generous in gift giving and paying for things. But, as I told GE earlier on the phone this evening, I think they are less sincere, more deceitful and more likely to "play you for a fool". This is based on my experiences with the nine I met/fucked and the one I had a 1 1/2 year relationship with ten years back. I do not know if they are EVER telling me the truth or if they even care what they tell you. I wonder if the fact they are mostly atheists or agnostics has something to do with this.
Both are great to fuck. I love the white, porcelain skin of the chinese women and the way they scream out when getting a "royal fucking". Filipinas have intense passion also but tend to be quite a bit quieter during the "action". They try to "work you like a NYC construction project" but I believe they are often sincere and honest.
I hope to get into a discussion on this in a few weeks when I have more time. As to my one and only wife. She was Thai and worthless. I did learn to speak Thai almost fluently but I have no fond memories of that time 16 years back.
Dragon Slayer
GE, that is some good stuff. What you have put into practice are things I'm just figuring out...better late than never.
Society, and Mom, told (tells) us to be nice guys. Western sociey/govt tells us and regulates us to be equal. All, good advice and good law, but we aren't equal and a real woman doesn't want a wimpy, girly boy who will do everything she wants. Not a Filipina, and not a Westerner. "Girly boy"....you gotta love Arnold, Governor of California.
Be fair, be generous, be a communicator, be romantic, but most important of all .. be a strong man. I could go on and on here....but the lurking lechers won't get it, and you young Brad Pitts are getting by on your looks alone.
If you need personal advice and direction send $100 to X.ripoff.com and I will tell you all the secrets of romance in the West or in PI or in East Asia.
GoodEnough
04-02-06, 12:14
Sure Xman, but I'm older than you and I only figured all of this stuff out about 2 years ago, so I'm no genius.
I was at a party last night with about 20 people. Two other friends of mine--an Australian of about my age with a gorgeous girlfriend about the age of my lady, a 72 or 73 year old Australian guy and his 42 year old wife--and I were the only guys there with young, Filipinas. The other guys, all in their 50's-60's schlepped along their very large, very white wives. I don't know if I've ever had so many vituperative glances from so many women in so short a time. You could just see how pissed off they were. I just smiled. Some of them were barely polite to me, and they ignored the Filipinas like they were invisible.
In a way, I feel sorry for these women, who cannot possibly compete, and who would get the hell out of there if they could, but they know that if they left their husbands and went home, it would take the husbands less than a day to rustle up some sweet young things. These ladies really are between a rock and a hard place, but I feel sorriest for the husbands, who look miserable, and for the most part, are miserable. I should know. I've talked to enough of them.
Every time I go to one of these affairs I'm reminded again, of the enormity of the difference, for a foreign guy, between SE Asia and home. Vive la difference!
:D
GE
funny, before i finished typing my message, ds sends in another excellent post.
grass is always greener...after some time with east asians, i also love to see the chocolate of the filipinas (or other se asians). but, always love to get back to the whiteys. nothing nicer than a wisp of jet black pubic hair on top of an lovely mound of white goose pimpled flesh.
looking forward to your critique ds.
please allow me...
1) generalization is basically racist, but please allow me
2) some of these "experiences" happened in the usa with immigrants.
thai (many exp.) : love that smile and lack of body hair. the most beautiful women i've had... never did or would do an **** girl, but some thai are naturally hairless.
japanese (many exp): porcelain babes who often love foreigners, despite language barriers. first one was 20+years ago, an older woman from okinawa whose husband was away. never quite had someone like her who would/ could do it like she did. she slowly and quite enoyably worked her way from biting my nipples to loud suckng noises while attached to the crown of my family jewel. i still have dates with jwomen 15 years younger than me, but i think i've reached a threshold. most interesting was an older woman, ex startlet. at the time she was a very fine 49, and i was ten years younger. yes, 49, don't use your imagination. she was smooth as silk and under 50 kilo. she wined and dined me at some very nice places. she paid for the love hotel, and said she like foreigners because j guys would be tempted to blackmail her. i never thought about blackmailing her, but was getting freaked out about riding in a mbenz with darkened windows.
korean: best lay i ever had.....girl sqeezed my muscle with her vagina like it has never been squeezed before or since. (four experiences)
Cebu Local
04-02-06, 12:25
Pals,
I could write volumes on the Subject of FIlipinas AND Chinese Women. In 2 1/2 years I have met and fucked nine Chinese women all living in PR China or who were born/educated there and moved elsewhere. None were Pros and one was an MD. I never met one I did not fuck within 1-2 hours after meeting. On Filipinas I guess I have around 150 of them but I would have to think awhile. Only 5% were Pros. I did meet some that I struck out with but none in the last couple years.
Chinese women are far less mercenary. This I can state with certainity. They also are more generous in gift giving and paying for things. But, as I told GE earlier on the phone this evening, I think they are less sincere, more deceitful and more likely to "play you for a fool". This is based on my experiences with the nine I met/fucked and the one I had a 1 1/2 year relationship with ten years back. I do not know if they are EVER telling me the truth or if they even care what they tell you. I wonder if the fact they are mostly atheists or agnostics has something to do with this.
Both are great to fuck. I love the white, porcelain skin of the chinese women and the way they scream out when getting a "royal fucking". Filipinas have intense passion also but tend to be quite a bit quieter during the "action". They try to "work you like a NYC construction project" but I believe they are often sincere and honest.
I hope to get into a discussion on this in a few weeks when I have more time. As to my one and only wife. She was Thai and worthless. I did learn to speak Thai almost fluently but I have no fond memories of that time 16 years back.
Dragon SlayerI draw the line between women for Fun and Women for LTR.I am driven to grow my businesses and would prefer to have a partner who has something to contribute.IMHO the Chinese have a better head for business,though I will agree that they will play you to get rich,stuff etc.But If you are driven and the Chinese girl is equally driven,then there is compatability.We both like the party line"To get rich is glorious".Filipino women are generally sincere and SOMETIMES honest.But they dont have a head for money making.My particular Chinese lady has immensely made my business in China grow with access to Party Officials,Rich Chinese Tycoons etc.I have Financially benefited from her in Spades,But so has she of course also,We are having a date in Penang Malaysia next weekend and I have to show my thanks by treating her to another special trip,Btw Yes they are Athiest or Agnostic mostly,But will convert for practical purposes if needed.As GE was saying to me before, CL You re relatively young,rich,Canadian and can basically get most any Filipina.Why Chinese???I told him I wanted to get
even richer.To get ahead even more,I needed somebody to help me towards that goal who was equally driven.
But that is my personal take and I repeat Filipinas are some of the sweetest women around,I respect that different people have different priorities in life.Best regards
I'm not sure what schelpping means, but I'm in stiches.
Cebu Local
04-02-06, 12:34
Sort of dragging along their BIG wives somewhat embarrassedly.To put things in perspective,I am in my late 30 s and my chinese lady is in her mid 20 s.So we would not stand out as a couple.GE I love the way you described that party.Sleek Filipina Gazelles along with Western Walruses.Cheers.
That reminds me...there was a VIet/Chinese girl,
(many of the Vietnamese who fled Vietnam in the post-war era were ethnic Chinese)
I met her in California, but she was good, very good. Very good in that this was musky smelling ****, jet-blac haired, porcelain skinned Chinese beaty.She wore glasses that made her look like a teacher, but she had a body to die for.
This was years ago of course, but she bought a car that had a bad tranny. She took it back to the dealer, which had a chinese dealer. I was kind of shocked about the way her and her brother went to town on the dealer. Well, good business / money skills aren't the things that make you feel romantic....unless of course you are CL. :-)
GoodEnough
04-02-06, 12:50
Schlepping is a Yiddish term, that more or less means "dragging an unwieldy, object." Sorry for lapsing into New York vernacular.
As CL and I have discussed on a couple of separate occassions, he is being extremely pragmatic. He's young. He's rich. He wants to get richer. He has business in China and he needs someone Chinese to help him grow that business. Sounds like an enormously sensible decision that he's made, and remember, her still gets to travel around, whether he's married or not.
I'm not young, have no desire to grow any business, am content where I am and have enough to get by. We're in different phases of our lives and we want/need different things.
Xman, you are of course, entitled to your predelections, but I wonder just how many white women you've had who squeezed every drop out of you with her vaginal muscles.
:D
GE
Cebu Local
04-02-06, 12:51
That reminds me...there was a VIet/Chinese girl,
(many of the Vietnamese who fled Vietnam in the post-war era were ethnic Chinese)
I met her in California, but she was good, very good. Very good in that this was musky smelling ****, jet-blac haired, porcelain skinned Chinese beaty.She wore glasses that made her look like a teacher, but she had a body to die for.
This was years ago of course, but she bought a car that had a bad tranny. She took it back to the dealer, which had a chinese dealer. I was kind of shocked about the way her and her brother went to town on the dealer. Well, good business / money skills aren't the things that make you feel romantic....unless of course you are CL. :-)Not really Its just that Chinese do not have that many hang ups with you having other women as Filipinas.More money equals more funds for Fun activities.She doesnt mind my other activities as long as she is THE ONE.Filipinas tend to be more possesive and jealous in that regards.Yes I love that porcelain skin also
I once went to a party in (east Asia), and my date was a college girl. (13 yrs younger). She was wearing a miniskirt, as usual, and was pushing 45 kilos to my 90.
It was the grand opening of my friend's cigar bar, so he and his partner had invited some local bigwigs. There were a lot of middle aged men/ women, including women in formal gowns. My date noticed this right away and didn't want to go in. I talked to my buddy and he said to come back in 90 min. We do, and the crowd is much thinner. Me and miss coed go out on the balcony where there is less tobacco smoke. I quickly strike up a conversation with a fellow who happens to be the owner of one of the biggest E-language publishing companies in (east Asia). One of his first questions, said with a smirk, happens to be, "Is this your daughter?".
DUH, I hestitated...and I looked the fool. Now if this was your situation, what would your answer be...
A) My mistress (this is what she called herself at the time...duh)
B) My sister
C) ???
Miffy, if you're reading this...I still love you and want you and still have that small chip in the front of my teeth which you loved so much when I rubbed the rough edges on your cllt...
X
GE, I haven't had caucasian sex in 20 years, if that's what you mean. Now that I think about it, maybe I should try. I'll be in good ol usa this summer. Hmmmm. how many Viagra tablets would it take for me to get a hard on for a typical American hefer? (just joking, I've never tried Viagra) (done some hefers though... :-)
CL, I've often thought about things as you have. My lfe would be easier if I married a local girl. If I married a Filipina and brought her here, she would be dependent on me for a lot of things. On the other hand, a life of debauchery and alcholism seems to suit me fine....without any wife. That probably has an unhappy ending though.
I've chatted with some Chinese girls on the Interent. Strikingly beautiful, but hard to make any kind of connection in the English language.
X
Dragon Slayer
04-02-06, 19:55
X Man,
I have heard some cocksucker tell me (they are NOT asking), "so, is this your daughter?" One was a very fat fuck in a civic club I briefly joined ( I fit in with these R & F Losrs like Donald Trump at a Biker Bar). My Answer to these apprentice idiots is always, "you have a problem with a successful guy having a beautiful, intelligent, younger woman for a girlfriend?" or "If I am capable of attracting women less then half my age, what is it to you?"
I do NOT let them get away with their very rude comments. I often throw in that I am a _______ (my Profession). I am NOT an archaeologist or palentologist. I do not "dust off relics" or dig up and polish fossils".
That said, I fucked over 100 women in Thailand from age 18 to 30. My fondest memories are of a Thai woman who owned a Bar on Pattaya Klang (Pattaya Center) in Pattaya City. She was 39 (older than me) when I began fucking her and 43 when I stopped. A lovely woman with an incredible body. Huge, 36d tits and she could fuck. I would shove it up her ass and she took it "like a real trooper".
GE, remember that night at Henny's (No, not that night w Freddy) when the crowd of Foreign Workers arrived? Man, I never saw so many "Chan Am" (big elephants in Thai). The one Gerry (geriatric or old lady) who came to our table did NOT even acknowledge the existence of my 22 y/o woman or Rose, her sister. Got histerical when she was told of my home on Leyte. I was supposed to fly off immediately to check on the mud slide (house is on the ocean; no mud to slide).
Dragon Slayer
By the way DS, R you a TOOL MAKER by any way?
Me too, am 1 and proud to be it. Not a archeologist or a philosophist.
Cheers mate,
Tin Tin
Dragon Slayer
04-02-06, 22:13
Pals,
This is my favorite topic. To be fair, there are many decent. good white women. We all remember the rude, arrogant, obnoxious ones. That night at Henny's when Foreign Aid, or more appropriately, a herd of Ta nam kwai (river buffalos) strolled in (excuse me, stampeded the place is much more accurate), I could not leave fast enough. GE tried to detain me but they were just too much. My Lady and her sister felt very uncomfortable being several inches shorter and hundreds of pounds lighter than this herd. Being totally ignored and left out of the conversation by the chan am (big elephant, remember?) who chose to occupy our space ( we must have left a large amount of uneaten food on the table) did not help this.
I have to mention also relating to the one's comment concerning the mud slide that there are no airports on the island, save the Tacloban Airport at the far end. It is an entire day trip to get there by plane/boat from Davao. I was in touch by cellphone and e-mail daily anyway.
What makes me amazed is how these Gerrys (old women) always want to give me advice. Unsolicited, of course, from everything to the kind of woman I really need (fat pig like them, for sure), the way I should run my company (this advice has come from more than a few unemployed Gerrys) and even to Fine Wines. Like they know a fucking thing about wine. These hefers will guzzle down anything you put in front of their huge chompers, just so long as it is free. Yet, they consistently approach me at Wine Tastings to give me their "sage advice' while I am disgusting the wine's bouquet, vintage or other pertinents facts with friends.
I will take a lovely, gorgeous asain lady any day. I need to scan "Road to Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling here. He said it first and best. "I have a neater, sweeter maiden in a land faraway, Mandalay>
Dragon Slayer
There are some fine white women. But each of them is surrounded by about 5 guys hoping for some scraps of attention.
A few years ago I found myself in graduate school at a northeastern liberal arts college, a purgatory I was lucky to live through. Even though the ratio was 4 women to every man it still wasn't enough to make up for the fact that most of the women were buffazillas (Godzilla face, buffalo body). The few lookers each had an entourage of horny hangers on.
At this college there were women who had been in Japan at the same time I was there. Practically every day at this college I had to listen to these women go on about gaijin with Japanese women, saying how it was a sign of chauvinist oppression and these guys were losers that couldn't handle 'real women.' It was all I could do to get through every day without puking.
After I put in my time at this place I went straight to Asia for a month. It was like going through a decontamination booth after being in a nuclear waste disposal plant.
Really I can handle the women talking and complaining. It's kinda fun to watch them marinade in their own hopelessness. But when feminazis get together and pass laws like this International Marriage Broker Law, designed to stop guys from going to other countries to meet women, that's just going too far. They hide behind concern about women being abused when they come here. But the law is really designed to just punish guys who have the nerve to want something better. That 'hell has no fury like a woman scorned' is one of the truest sayings there ever was.
Cebu Local
04-03-06, 00:52
The Feminists cannot stand the fact that many western men given the choice will change them for an Asian or Latina partner.Look at Richard Murdoch,Given all his wealth,He could get his choice of women.But His Current wife is a Chinese Executive.They harp on the fact that these Asian Women are supposedly all supposedly uneducated peasant women who are happy with a bowl of rice.I have a Canadian friend,Who is married to a Filipina who is a Biochemist with a Phd in BioChemistry from one of the top Universities in Canada.Whenever they go to cocktail parties and such,Their initial attitude is very condescending at first"wow,you speak good english","Did you finish University"etc.Their jaws drop when she tells them she is a Biochemist working for six figures at a Pharma.They simply cannot believe a slim sexy Filipina would marry a guy 13 years her senior and still treat him with respect,affection etc
My choice of a Canadian Educated Chinese who is smart,succesful,educated,sexy and always fashionably dressed is another one who breaks their mold of all chinese want to marry foriegners to leave China.The femenists really hate her type.They cannot understand why a girl like her did not convert into a femenist b**ch during her stay in Canada,The answer is really simple according to her,If she was a Femenist b****,Do you think she would have attracted the young,rich suitors she had???If you want to attract people who could have their choice of women,You better be competitive.I was in the First Class lounge of Cathay Pacific a few years ago and had the oppurtunity of being seated beside Bill and Melissa Gates.Bill was busy,But I had a chance to chat briefly with Melissa Gates.She was really nice,sweet as she discussed her program of eradicating disease and fighting infant mortality.She was clearly very affectionate will Bill.So if a Western woman has the right attitude and is not a bi**h,Look at what she can get.Would Bill have fallen for a bi*ch???
GoodEnough
04-03-06, 01:19
Sorry Xman. I must have misunderstood you. Funny you should mention 20 years since the last time you had sex with a caucasion. I was on the phone with DS yesterday and we were both trying to remember the last time either of us had sex with one, and neither of us could remember, so it must have been a long, long, time ago.
This topic seems to have struck a responsive chord in a lot of guys out there. As to the appropriate response to the woman who asked if the young lady was your daughter, I think you should have said: "No, this is one of my girlfriends. I don't have children, but I'm thinking about it in the next 4 or 5 years."
:D
GE
Cebu Local
04-03-06, 01:25
Sorry Xman. I must have misunderstood you. Funny you should mention 20 years since the last time you had sex with a caucasion. I was on the phone with DS yesterday and we were both trying to remember the last time either of us had sex with one, and neither of us could remember, so it must have been a long, long, time ago.
This topic seems to have struck a responsive chord in a lot of guys out there. As to the appropriate response to the woman who asked if the young lady was your daughter, I think you should have said: "No, this is one of my girlfriends. I don't have children, but I'm thinking about it in the next 4 or 5 years."
:D
GEAbout 2 weeks ago,If Eurasian counts.GE you know who......
GoodEnough
04-03-06, 12:03
No CL, eurasian does not count, but even if it did, I know exactly the woman you're talking about and there's not a guy out there (including me) who doesn't or wouldn't envy you. If you change your mind or get tired of her, I would be happy to "fill in " so to speak.
:D
GE
.I was in the First Class lounge of Cathay Pacific a few years ago and had the oppurtunity of being seated beside Bill and Melissa Gates.??
I'm shocked he does not utilize a private jet from his personal or business fleet. I'm also shocked his personal protection detail let you get within speaking distance to him. i'm not calling bullshit or anything....i am just surprised.
Cebu Local
04-03-06, 12:58
No CL, eurasian does not count, but even if it did, I know exactly the woman you're talking about and there's not a guy out there (including me) who doesn't or wouldn't envy you. If you change your mind or get tired of her, I would be happy to "fill in " so to speak.
:D
GEOk GE,I havent had North American Caucasian for over 5 years then.About her,Try googling her name and you will get her Official Website and about 53,600 hits.There are some awesome pictures of her on it,So you know Why I work hard.Watch out for her ads which they are shooting now.They will be on CNN,BBC etc very soon.Best regards
Cebu Local
04-03-06, 13:12
I'm shocked he does not utilize a private jet from his personal or business fleet. I'm also shocked his personal protection detail let you get within speaking distance to him. i'm not calling bullshit or anything....i am just surprised.Not all tycoons use Private jets when travelling Transpacific,The smaller jets require stopovers which can be avoided by the longer range Commercial Jets,To cite an example Lucio Tan,The Richest Guy in the PI according to Forbes has several private planes,But flies Commercial Transpacific.Regarding Security detail,The First Class Lounge area of Cathay Pacific In Hong Kong is actually quite secure,It is a separate area from the Business Class Lounge.Business Class Passengers cannot access it,Only First Class Passengers can enter.Elite people are actually not that hard to approach If you are obviously also respectable and talk politely For example.I was at a Cocktail with the Philippine President just last friday and had a quick chat with her.I have had a brief chat with Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra last year at the APEC Business summit cocktails etc etc.GE,Spamhog and a bunch of the guys who saw me at the ATF Summit last January in Davao can confirm sometimes I run with a Hi So crowd
I had caucasian a few months ago...from Georgia in the Caucasus
Cebu Local
04-04-06, 00:06
I had caucasian a few months ago...from Georgia in the CaucasusRussian from Vladivostok a few months ago in Macau,But doesnt that count as partly asian also since Georgia and Siberia are located in Asia,What do you guys think??
SergeantRay
04-04-06, 05:42
I was in Dumaguete savoring a tequila on the rocks and enjoying the view of the ocean and distant Siquijor, when some old, leathery white chick pulled up, complete with a yapping runt of a dog. She was little more than a pallid, walking wrinkle. Damn, the whole experience went straight down the crapper.
Later at the local mall I saw one of those older, fat, short-haired chicks, the type that looks lesbian. When I told my friend, I said maybe she's lesbo or not, but who can tell the difference? Does it even frickin' matter? This is the typical white drab who's "my age" and supposedly my match. Lord help me.
It's weird how just the the sight of an American/Euro wench can ruin the entire mood, followed by a murmured, "Thank you, Jesus, that shit is far behind me."
Dragon Slayer
04-04-06, 21:22
Pals,
Notice how it is primarily fat, obnoxious. ugly, unmarried (or unhappily married) white women who do the complaining about US with asian women. My favorite hagnout in my City is a Japanese Restaurant with four (4) lovely female bartenders (no men).
One of the white girls used to get on my case often about my love of asian women. I just continued being polite to her and "let it go". Two of the others are Asian, including the beautiful Japanese Bar Manager. She likes me a lot and just recently did me a big favor her when I left my valuable case ( got drunk with a White, Lady Client who just referred me a lot of good business) containing a blank check on the operating account of my Firm ( she held it unopened for me safely).
I think that being polite to white women and just working around the "comments" is a good way to go. Besides, as mentioned, the fat, ugly pigs normally making these comments are NOT worth it. As to jealous guys, we can make all kinds of interesting retorts to them. "Your sex life must be a wateland as barren as the Alaskan tundra, for you to make such a rude, offensive comment to me."
When I had my beautiful "Shanghai Baby" who worked in an English Language School in southern china she often commented on the instructors, all of whom were from the UK, Canada, USA & So Africa. All were white and mostly women as the salary and benefits may have sounded good by So China standards but really sucked by American Pay Scale. She said that ALL the women were the size of three chinese girls. She would ask me if me in America liked these Elephants. I replied, "No, but many men in the USA think this is all they can get."
Dragon Slayer
Dragon Slayer
04-04-06, 21:36
Pals,
Regarding Bill Gates, it is amazing how many rich guys and celebrities just travel around like we do. At LAX I was having a drink while waiting for my Flight. Rocker Tommy Lee sat down across from me and ordered a beer. He said hello and got on his cellphone. A few weeks later David Spade was eating lunch, quietly at a nearby table in my favorite Japanese Restaurant as I was having lunch. The following day I was in meeting some friends for a little Happy Hour R&R and again, in walked Tommy Lee. He sat at the bar alone, drank a few beers and no one approached him.
These individuals are high profile but just don't care. Life always having body guards with you has to suck. One of my Clients, a rock Musician, met me for lunch. When he left someone at a nearby table said, "wasn't that ___?" I said "yes, it is. He keeps a low profile when not performing before a live audience."
I will never have to worry about being famous. As long as I have my little girls and a gorgeous asian woman, I am happy. A nice, new sports car wouldn't hurt either.
Dragon Slayer
Teddy Bear 99
04-08-06, 23:50
I have one of my favorites I want to come visit me and take her to the theme parks in Orlando. I need to write a letter for a tourist visa. Any ideas on how to word one? PM me so we don't have to take up some bandwith.
The degree of difficulty to get her a tourist visa on a scale of 1 to 10 is a solid 10. Too many Filipina just disappear into the wordwork when they get to The States. Good luck my man but be prepared for a lot of grief.
ES
I have one of my favorites I want to come visit me and take her to the theme parks in Orlando. I need to write a letter for a tourist visa. Any ideas on how to word one? PM me so we don't have to take up some bandwith.
Cebu Local
04-10-06, 14:08
The degree of difficulty to get her a tourist visa on a scale of 1 to 10 is a solid 10. Too many Filipina just disappear into the wordwork when they get to The States. Good luck my man but be prepared for a lot of grief.
ESI am in the Travel business with 15 years experience.Correction try 11 on a scale of 1 to 10.If you have more questions PM me
CL, your post reminds me...
You once gave info about how to arrange a ticket so that the lady couldn't cash in the ticket. I would really appreciate it if you can share that info again.
I have a friend who is apparently going to take a bar girl to Bali. I warned him, but to no avail.
X
Cebu Local
04-10-06, 23:27
CL, your post reminds me...
You once gave info about how to arrange a ticket so that the lady couldn't cash in the ticket. I would really appreciate it if you can share that info again.
I have a friend who is apparently going to take a bar girl to Bali. I warned him, but to no avail.
Xarrange for her to fly to Bali using the Air Asia E ticketwhich is none refundable or Ask the travel agent for lower category ticket K or Kilo class or lower which is none refundable,none endorsable to other people and cannot be changed to another date without penalty.Any other questions drop me a line
Thank you CL and congratulations on hitting 1000 posts.
Take care,
X
Cebu Local
04-11-06, 14:16
Thank you CL and congratulations on hitting 1000 posts.
Take care,
XNo problem My friend .Remind your friend that You want to make sure the ticket is none refundable,None Endorsable,None Reroutable etc,Best Regards too
Thanks CL,
I think we're too late....
My friend was told by the travel agent that he couldn't make credit card payment over the phone and the agent recommended sending the money direct to the person flying via Western Union.
So, right about now a bar girl is getting $900 cash. Does Anyone want to put odds on the chances of her showing up in Bali?
Oh, one more thing CL. Does you advice below also apply for Philippine domestic travel.
X
Cebu Local
04-12-06, 01:41
Thanks CL,
I think we're too late....
My friend was told by the travel agent that he couldn't make credit card payment over the phone and the agent recommended sending the money direct to the person flying via Western Union.
So, right about now a bar girl is getting $900 cash. Does Anyone want to put odds on the chances of her showing up in Bali?
Oh, one more thing CL. Does you advice below also apply for Philippine domestic travel.
X
About the same chance of her getting a US visa,If she shows up I will buy you dinner next time you are in Cebu or Manila.Yes,They sell E tickets and None refundable and None endorsable Domestic tickets in the PI also.Btw While I was at an Internet Cafe in Burgos that I partially own,I overhead 4-5 Bar girls laughing about some idiot who sent her money to go abroad and how She was going to spend the weekend shopping in SM Thanks to the Idiot.Next time Refer your friends to me so I can advice them properly Cheers
I have a story to add about of a customer of mine married to a Filipina:
A customer of mine in Germany was very disheartened when I visited him quite some time ago. I asked what happened and he came up with this story:
He was married to a Filipina for many years. His wife some day went home to visit the family for several months. When she came back she had a baby. She told him that she got pregnant before she left. He might not have believed this deep inside from the beginning, but settled with it. When the child was about 4 years old, and he had already built a good relation with his daughter being a good father, the truth came up.
Not only that it was not his daughter, it was not hers either. It was her sister's. So he kicked her out on the spot and kept the child he loved.
Dragon Slayer
04-12-06, 09:11
Tiger 1,
How are you? I remember you inquiring about Davao 2 years back.
I can tell a similar tale that involves yours truly. A 23 y/o school teacher from Iligan City working at MEPZ back in 1994, to make a living away from her Family (at least that is what she told me). In May 1995 shortly after I returned home to the States I got a call from her. Said, "I am one month pregnant with your baby". I did all you would expect and even opened up bank accounts in pesos and dollars to prepare for the coming birth. Back then I was much younger, dumber and poorer. The last is the saddest part as I spent money I really could not afford at the time.
I first became suspicious (this girl was an absolute "dream" as she was beautiful, well educated and from a good Family which I travelled to Iligan to meet) when I was leaving to work for four weeks. I held up the Bank Books and said, "I am afraid to leave these with you". Remember, I would be back in four weeks to be there for the child's birth. She replied, "what if the baby is born early?" I handed over the Accounts and told her NOT to spend any money as this was for the birt of the Baby.
Returned four (4) weeks later to learn the money was completely, I mean fucking completely GONE. Of course I was furious and told her this. I could not account for how the money got spent and this got me thinking.
Baby was born and I never stopped thinking of this. She changed towards me soon after and when the Baby was seven months informed me she was going to Davao (Yes, Davao before my first arrival) to seek employment and she and the Baby were out of my Life. Letters to her Family went unanswered and Letters to the Apartment I was paying were returned as "no forwarding address".
I did see them both again briefly on two occasions over the next three years. Then my actual daughter was born and this really got me thinking. My daughter's mother is very dark skinned and I, of course, am very white. My daughter is pure white with light brown, thick, wavy hair like mine. My first "child" was very dark skinned with straight, jet black hair. Funny thing, the lovely mother had pure white skin and black hair. Now where did the black skin on the Baby come from?
My daughter's pediatrician and a few Specialists at the Hospital reviewed the photos of me, the first mother and the Baby. Said it was genetically very unlikely that the Baby, now 4, was mine. Pointed to my real daughter's skin and hair color and other points in the genetic structure. Yes, they were correct.
Got a Letter a few years back from the Sister of the real father saying that I had been conned. That the mother had married her brother, the real father, and was just working me for money. I had NOT heard from her for awhile and decided to just hang onto the Letter and do nothing. Two years later I get an e-mail asking for money for my "child's" education.
I reacted as you would expect the Slayer in a Situation like this. It was easy as the lying tramp was using the Account of a woman in the Corporate Office of the Company at MEPZ. I told her what I had learned. What surprised me is that she admitted knowing from the second day after the baby was born. Had tests done with the real father as the baby did not look at all like me. Of course, I had no way of knowing the real father ever existed.
I had met the real father when he was staying back in 1996 at the apartment I was paying for the mother and child. He was introduced as a cousin from the Province. Even asked me to see if some of my friend's in the Phils could find him work. That took more balls than King Kong to ask.
Anyway, it is long in the past and I can look back on it and laugh. She is still working long hours at MEPZ (yes, I checked) and they are living in the same filthy dump where I first met her in 1994. THe father is unemployed and they cannot even afford tuition for the child in a cheap private school.
Today, get hit on by women in the Phils over the internet for money frequently. My answer always is NO NO NO. The nice thing about my 22 y/o in Davao is that, like the 25 y/o in So China, my "Shanghai Baby" or my "Beijing Doll" now in the UK, she never asked me for any money. There are still some decent women out there. My daughters mother was in the same group until our Baby was born. But these are mine.
Dragon Slayer
Well, we all got to learn. I was lucky so far. No kids with the wrong girls. Got married to a girl from Guangzhou 1990. Divorced just on time. She was even cheating her father for money as I learned later. Luckily at that time she already got a good job in Germany so I didn't have to pay a lot. But she tried hard for it.
By the way, I don't remember having enquired about Davao, since 2 years back was my first trip to the Filipines but with family in Boracay for scubadiving.
I normally stay in HK, China, Thailand.
Every one of my trips to the Philippines has at least one girl trying to pull some pregnancy ploy, 'my period is late,' etc.
From my last visit in November a girl is saying she's 5 months pregnant. And of course she had claimed to be a virgin so it could only be mine, yada yada. Even though I was wearing a condom it must have leaked, bla bla. The girl had her clothes off and was in bed within 5 minutes of coming to the room, some virgin. I wonder how many other guys she's trying this with and who fell for it.
Never send money or accept any responsibility until there's clear, unbiased proof that it's yours.
Mahku, you must be great husband material since women seem especially motivated to marry you. Either that or you pick the wrong women. :-)
I've received the "late period / might be pregnant" email twice. On both occasions I ignored the email and the subject never came up again.
In all fairness, it might not be an attempted scam as it was in DSs case, but a test of committment.
Nevertheless, as one of my Filipina friends once said to me, "Filipinos love to make babies."
Every one of my trips to the Philippines has at least one girl trying to pull some pregnancy ploy, 'my period is late,' etc.
From my last visit in November a girl is saying she's 5 months pregnant. And of course she had claimed to be a virgin so it could only be mine, yada yada. Even though I was wearing a condom it must have leaked, bla bla. The girl had her clothes off and was in bed within 5 minutes of coming to the room, some virgin. I wonder how many other guys she's trying this with and who fell for it.
Never send money or accept any responsibility until there's clear, unbiased proof that it's yours.
During our last visit in November, my friend made a Davao girl pregnant. Against my advice, and the wisdom, he never used condom with her. He met her in a bar where she was with 4 other friends - none of them pros.
He is 25, and suspects that it is his kid. The girl told him that she was a virgin (!) and he said that is why he used no condoms (stupid idiot!).
My question is: Could the girl get a child support Order in Philippines and come after him in California? He makes good money. He has no intent to see her again even if the kid is his! But, he would like to help her "Voluntarily."
I wonder anyone here would have an insight on this.
I also know that Mexican girls cannot get child support from American fathers, as the law requires both mother and father to sign the birth certificate. If you do not acknowledge that you are the father, the girl won't get child support. Is that the same in Philippines?
MD
Cebu Local
04-16-06, 07:09
During our last visit in November, my friend made a Davao girl pregnant. Against my advice, and the wisdom, he never used condom with her. He met her in a bar where she was with 4 other friends - none of them pros.
He is 25, and suspects that it is his kid. The girl told him that she was a virgin (!) and he said that is why he used no condoms (stupid idiot!).
My question is: Could the girl get a child support Order in Philippines and come after him in California? He makes good money. He has no intent to see her again even if the kid is his! But, he would like to help her "Voluntarily."
I wonder anyone here would have an insight on this.
I also know that Mexican girls cannot get child support from American fathers, as the law requires both mother and father to sign the birth certificate. If you do not acknowledge that you are the father, the girl won't get child support. Is that the same in Philippines?
MD
Yes,There are many ways to avoid paying child support,For starters He can use all sort of legal dodges and avoid paying a dime.Poor girls do not have resources to come after youThat would be completely legal..But again I raise the issue of the right thing,IF the Kid is really your friend s,It doesnt cost much to raise a kid in the Philippines.100$ a month is plenty to put that kid in private school,house and clothe the kid etc.May I suggest that your friend have the girl sign a waiver absolving him of any responsibility for the child,But In return,Your friend undertakes to give a small stipend lets say 100$ for the Childs education etc.Come on,We all make mistakes and one should be willing to take responsibility for one's mistakes.But If your friend wants to dodge the responsibility PM me and I can give you advice to avoid paying the 100$ monthly
During our last visit in November, my friend made a Davao girl pregnant. Against my advice, and the wisdom, he never used condom with her. He met her in a bar where she was with 4 other friends - none of them pros.
He is 25, and suspects that it is his kid. The girl told him that she was a virgin (!) and he said that is why he used no condoms (stupid idiot!).
My question is: Could the girl get a child support Order in Philippines and come after him in California? He makes good money. He has no intent to see her again even if the kid is his! But, he would like to help her "Voluntarily."
I wonder anyone here would have an insight on this.
I also know that Mexican girls cannot get child support from American fathers, as the law requires both mother and father to sign the birth certificate. If you do not acknowledge that you are the father, the girl won't get child support. Is that the same in Philippines?
MD
Dude your friend is messed up!
How could he have a child and leave it in that messed up country?
You need to read him the riot act.
GoodEnough
04-16-06, 08:23
Please don't give this guy advice on how to avoid his responsiblities. You and I both know that this country is full of Filipinos who shirk any and all responsiblity for supporting the children they father, and there's nothing the women, typically poor and uneducated can do about it. Don't contribute to the perpetuation of this morally bankrupt behavior.
Why doesn't he insist on a DNA test to prove the kids is his and, if the whole thing is not a scam, then agree to paying, as suggested by CL, a modest amount per month. AS CL states, the cost is trivial.
:D
GE
Hey Muf Diver, if your buddy can live with himself what makes him think a poor gal in the P.I. is going to track him down in the U.S. to make him pay child support. It's hard enough to enforce from state to state.
Just tell him to send her a "C" note a month. He will sleep better at night.
For all who posted replies<
My buddy is a jerk. I know that. I mentioned to you that he wants to voluntarily pay some money each month. As CL said, $100 is sufficient (5000 pesos). Although he had the one night stand, he had no feelings for the girl. Also the girl (who had appararently claimed to be a virgin) fucked him after meeting him for a few hours! He is good looking - may be she was infactuated with him.
But, what he doesn't want is a Pinoy court Order to withhold child support from his paycheck in California. My question was, specifically, can she get one and can she enforce that in USA? Like many raised concerns, I doubt it!
I agree with the moral majority to pay $ if you contributed/deposited the sperm! But, no one wants a third world girl acting like a gringa ***** and get hold of your balls for child support.
I took GooedEngough's post with a bit sarcasam. He could post on a sex realated site, yet cannot fathom the desires of a person to FIND OUT INFORMATION.
Thanks again for your replies. I have asked my buddy to meet with a Pinoy lawyer in San Francisco for a consult. He wants to get a waiver written in Tagalog (following CL's advice) before making any contributions. Also, he wants a DNA test done in US, after the birth of the baby.
MD
If your friend helps her monthly financially,im sure the girl will be satisfied with that. Because she can look around at her girlfriends with kids and they aren't getting a single peso from those deadbeats! I think $100 a month is not to much to ask of him.
GoodEnough
04-16-06, 18:42
I took GooedEngough's post with a bit sarcasam. He could post on a sex realated site, yet cannot fathom the desires of a person to FIND OUT INFORMATION.
MD
I think you may have misunderstood me. I understand fully the need for information abd the appropriateness of this site and others like it for unearthing such information. My point was simply the necessity of providing some degree of financial support for the child in the event that (1) she;s really pregnant and (2) the child is really his and not to simply abandon the financial future of the kid.
I am about 99% sure that for the US Embassy to recognize a child born here as an American, the man has to acknowledge paternity, and this is purely his choice. That being the case, it would be almost impossible for a Filipina to get a garnishment order from a US court.Hell, Filipinas who get knocked up by Pinoys have no legal recourse here whatsoever. Of course, to be sure of this, it's a very good idea never to give her an address, phone number social security number of bank account number.
:D
GE
Dragon Slayer
04-17-06, 19:53
Pals,
I think I can answer this one as I DO know this Law. No fucking way in heaven or hell she will EVER get a court order in USA to compel you to give Child Support.
As a Father with children in the Phils, I did sign and acknowledge my paternity. I did this so my children could get US Passports and eventually come here. I have NEVER, for a single minute, regretted having a child in the Philippines. My only children, also.
With the girl in Cebu who conned me, I was not asked to sign papers acknowledging paternity. At the time I did not know of this legal procedure. It came up in 1999 with the birth of my seven year old (this one IS mine). I have often wondered if she had the real father (he lived right there) go by the Hospital to sign them. She did marry him. The middle name for the child was his name, I learned a few years after.
I would bet good money the child is NOT your friend's. Who do you think they always hit with the "I am pregnant with your baby" routine, the filipino who could give a flying fuck? Or the "dumbshit" foreigner with a conscience?
It is not expensive to have a DNA Test to prove paternity in the Philippines. To ease your pal's conscience he should return and have this done at a Hospital. He does not need to spend money (lawyers are NOT cheap) on a US Lawyer unless he feels threatened. The US Embassy will NOT even get involved in a matter like this.
I met several girls over the last 15 years in the Phils who I later learned had to get married as their boyfriend back home got them pregnant. In each case the girl told me she had no boyfriend. A few times I even thought the girl was a virgin.
Now, if the chld IS your friend's, P5000/Mo is only the "tip of the iceberg". I was with L______ for years before she became pregnant with my daughter, now 7. When they reach 4 the money escalates dramatically. Dresses, school and other items kick in. Wish for a boy as they are much cheaper to raise. I have two girls.
Dragon Slayer
Frequent Flier
04-17-06, 21:37
Every one of my trips to the Philippines has at least one girl trying to pull some pregnancy ploy, 'my period is late,' etc.
From my last visit in November a girl is saying she's 5 months pregnant. And of course she had claimed to be a virgin so it could only be mine, yada yada. Even though I was wearing a condom it must have leaked, bla bla. The girl had her clothes off and was in bed within 5 minutes of coming to the room, some virgin. I wonder how many other guys she's trying this with and who fell for it.
Never send money or accept any responsibility until there's clear, unbiased proof that it's yours.
Had a girl who I knew in Hong Kong, She was from the Philippines and took me for some money with lies and other BS. When I first met her I thought she was just a nice girl. There in HK with her aunt, didn't work the gogo bars or anything. Well in the end she was hanging with a Swiss guy who was a drug addict and she was receiving my money for his dealings. I'm sure he put her up to it, but that doesn't change anything. In the end she did some jail time in HK as well as her Swiss bf who was married to a Japanese girl who had 2 of his kids. Of course she goes back to the Philippines to have a fatherless child by this Swiss guy who wants nothing to do with her.
That was four years ago. I recently came to be in touch with her again. Just phone conversations. It took her about 2 weeks before she called me to tell me she has broke her arm. She was riding the caribou and fell off and broke her arm. She will just wait for it to heal as she cannot go to the hospital. Well, if it is a lie then it is a very funny lie, which it probably is, if not a lie and she truly is hurt, then she gets no money because she lied so much in the past. Before she could even ask for money I told her this. She responded that it wasn't a lie but that it was God's will for her to have this or some BS like that, which makes me believe all the more that she is up to her old tricks. They never change.
FF
Frequent Flier
04-17-06, 22:00
During our last visit in November, my friend made a Davao girl pregnant. Against my advice, and the wisdom, he never used condom with her. He met her in a bar where she was with 4 other friends - none of them pros.
He is 25, and suspects that it is his kid. The girl told him that she was a virgin (!) and he said that is why he used no condoms (stupid idiot!).
My question is: Could the girl get a child support Order in Philippines and come after him in California? He makes good money. He has no intent to see her again even if the kid is his! But, he would like to help her "Voluntarily."
I wonder anyone here would have an insight on this.
I also know that Mexican girls cannot get child support from American fathers, as the law requires both mother and father to sign the birth certificate. If you do not acknowledge that you are the father, the girl won't get child support. Is that the same in Philippines?
MD
Used this service myself once while in the Philippines. They shipped the kit to Manila FEDEX to be held at a local FEDEX store for pick up. Once it arrived I picked the kit up, did the test myself of the Mother, Child and myself, only a cheek swab. Sent the package back via FEDEX and with about two weeks received an email, as I had provided an email address to receive the results the quickest, that I was without a doubt not the father. A zero percent chance.
http://www.1800dnatest.com/
FF
I also know that Mexican girls cannot get child support from American fathers, as the law requires both mother and father to sign the birth certificate. If you do not acknowledge that you are the father, the girl won't get child support. Is that the same in Philippines?
MD
I did not know that. So clarify for me, if I sign a birth certificate for a child (mine) that was born in Mexico, she can then hit me up for child support through the U.S. system?
I do know that if (and many do) a Mexican woman crosses into the U.S. and gives birth on American soil, she can then get support through the U.S. courts.
I know this is a PI thread but the subject caught my attention. But for what its worth I plan on going to the PI some day, the sooner the better.
Mugroso
Dragon Slayer
04-18-06, 03:58
Frequent Flyer,
How are you? Did you ever hear of Neal Hutchison's book "Money Number One"? I purchased a copy at the american hangout, the Alamo Bar in Pattaya City, Thailand in May 2003. Based on Neal's personal expriences and past relationships with Pattaya City Bargirls. Much of it could easily be related to experiences in the Philippines.
He covers the "Falling in Love" with one of these women in considerable length. There is a Chapter where he tells you to get the "lady" to return home to be with her Family and away from the influences of the other ladies in the Bars/Clubs. He says that if you do, expect a letter very similar to this within a couple of months. The Example Letter begins with, "Hello Darling". It quickly goes on to relate an accident concerning a River Buffalo (Ta Nam Kwai) and the resulting "injury" to her leg.
Okay now, back to planet earth. I have my little girls and my woman on an island. The Family is pretty well off and all live in homes either on the beach or across the street from the beach. Our home was completed in time for my 7 year old's birthday in early January. It is on the beach.
Many of the people are fishermen and others own rice farms. Many raise caribou, the species similar to the Thai water buffalo. I have NEVER seen anyone riding one of these caribou, nor have I EVER seen anyone in Thailand riding one (in 1990-1993 I had a girlfriend living in a village in northern Thailand; some of the people in the village raised water buffalo).
If she fell off one she is absolutely a dumb fuck. Far more likely she thinks you could be had once more.
Dragon Slayer
Frequent Flyer,
Many of the people are fishermen and others own rice farms. Many raise caribou, the species similar to the Thai water buffalo. I have NEVER seen anyone riding one of these caribou, nor have I EVER seen anyone in Thailand riding one (in 1990-1993 I had a girlfriend living in a village in northern Thailand; some of the people in the village raised water buffalo).
If she fell off one she is absolutely a dumb fuck. Far more likely she thinks you could be had once more.
Dragon SlayerApparently you've never been out the "province". I've seen many many people riding carabo. I don't really see the point as an average person can walk faster than most carabo.
Mug,
Yes, if you sign on the birth-certificate, you are acknowledging that you are the father. Once you have done that the Mexicana has certain rights.
However, if you are in USA, sh still has to go the Mexican family court system first. Then she has to have that order cerified by the U.S. Consulate in Mexico, and then come to USA to fight.
I know this fact because a guy I knew got hit with it. Because the girl he knocked up subsequently met another gringo, and he helped her file the claim for child support. I must say that the girl was very smart, the guy was too naive!
It is a long shot. But, if you did not acknowledge that the child is yours, she has no right to come to USA and collect the child support.
MD
CanContrib
05-10-06, 01:35
For all who posted replies<
My buddy is a jerk. I know that. I mentioned to you that he wants to voluntarily pay some money each month. As CL said, $100 is sufficient (5000 pesos). Although he had the one night stand, he had no feelings for the girl. Also the girl (who had appararently claimed to be a virgin) fucked him after meeting him for a few hours! He is good looking - may be she was infactuated with him.
But, what he doesn't want is a Pinoy court Order to withhold child support from his paycheck in California. My question was, specifically, can she get one and can she enforce that in USA? Like many raised concerns, I doubt it!
I don't know about the US, but I do know there's no chlld-support or alimony treaty between the Philippines and Canada. *That* is the question you need to ask your knowledgeable lawyer.
My *guess* would be "probably not".
CanContrib
05-10-06, 02:07
Before I get too distracted reading postings I don't have time for, what was I going to write ... oh yes ... there's so much I have no opportunity to report on, so just one of the experience backlog na.
We have this "safe house", actually two, depending on who is where .. so there's this Pinay who's been chasing me for 3 months, and I finally 'helped" her. 19, nice girl, not bar girl. I do believe I'm her #2, which is as perfect s you can get as she proved to me, and of course she loves me. Like I said to her, we'll see if she knows me next year. Anyway, I noticed and wiped up the puddle after our 3rd time in 2 hours and wiped it up. Grabbe! Energetic dii ba!
So I passed on meeting an older friend tonight that would have required precauious travel in the middle of the night when she gets off (her IT work, she's just a real person too), so that's queued for tommorrow if she can get the day off work. I need the night off after my 19-lover anyway. I do want to see my older friend this week while I can, it's a "relationship" worth perpetuating.
The bad part is that next week I go back to "not much here and you don't go out1', once my wife comes home.
Lesson: don't make any solid comitment unless you want "married life" (translation: wala), since once you "settle down" you can then only use opportunities when you can arrange them, which becomes increasingly difficult. If you want boring, go for it. If you want to make love daily, then make sure you have your "arrangements: and "alibies" in place, and *her* relatives to run shotgun for you.l It's possible, but it's not easy, which is the point. Great 19-year-old GF though. I hope that **I** can manage to be with her more.
CanContrib
05-10-06, 02:32
Great Thread!
CanContrib, you're my hero! You're living the life I want to lead!
I've been to PI only once and loved it there. It is so down to earth there that I am seriously considering moving there someday.
Just curious, do most of you live there or just visit there once or twice a year?
And if you live there, what type of work is availiable (if you need to work at all).
Regarding filipinas, I've noticed there are different sub races among them, there are the ones who have a very 'tribal' look to them, usually a round face... and there are the ones with slimmer faces like the one here. Is there a regional difference where one could find more of one or the other?
I don't know about "most of you", but I have my permanent residency status here now and I have no desire to return to the land of "pay the government and you can have what's left", which is nothing. To your other question yes there is work available, expecially on a professional basis. If you have permanant residency no problem, otherwise it will cost you P5K plus and at least two weeks for a legal work permit for your specific time-limited job. Do you need to work? I don't know. Do you need an income, or do you already have money to burn?
The best advice I can give, after a few years here, doing things mostly the hard and expensive way, is to make your decision, bring a big bunch of money, hook up with the RIGHT people, pay your way through, and then make your life happen. Screw up anywhere and you will pay a lot more.
To the question of slim (or not slim) know that Phils has many centuries of foreign "influence". That means that you can get fat or slim or anywhere inbetween, just like anywhere else. For example, it doesn't matter how much I feed my wife, she is always drop-dead-maganda :) Yup, I like slim; most pinay are.
CanContrib
05-12-06, 10:21
Every one of my trips to the Philippines has at least one girl trying to pull some pregnancy ploy, 'my period is late,' etc.
From my last visit in November a girl is saying she's 5 months pregnant. And of course she had claimed to be a virgin so it could only be mine, yada yada.
Unless you love the girl and want to marry (or at least support her) - which seems very unlikely given the "quality" of girl you're talking about, something like 300pesos should buy you appropriate abortion pills. Hand them to her and tell her to go have a good life and not pester you.
FYI, rumor has it you can get them in lots of places, especially Cubao and likely a lot cheaper there. Easier though to just ask almost any bar girl who will know how to have them brought to you. Or likely any street pimp offering you Viagra will also have some of those handy. Not that I know any of that as fact, of course. :-)
CanContrib
05-12-06, 10:36
overhead 4-5 Bar girls laughing about some idiot who sent her money to go abroad and how She was going to spend the weekend shopping in SM Thanks to the Idiot.Next time Refer your friends to me so I can advice them properly Cheers
I know more than a few girls who've met stupid-enough foreigners that they get wire-transfers of $1000 monthly for a while. It's not just a rumor. When the money dries up, then they go looking for the next stupid foreigner. In the interim, I don't mind letting _them_ buy me a few drinks since for a while they have more money to burn than I do. The girls who are really good at it will sometimes have two or more stupid foreigners sending them money at the same time, and just juggle their "visits" to keep the gravytrain rolling. Of course, those are the smart girls; there are a few and lucky for them they're outnumbered by stupid foreigners. I know one girl who built a house for her kids that way. I wish I could afford a nice new cellfone every few months the way she seems to turn up with. She's a good friend though, and we laugh about all this when we trip over each other every few months. Best time to trip over her is when she's just got rid of some stupid foreigner, doesn't need money, and she wants to pay the shot for some wine and time in a jacuzzi with me. Too bad I don't have much chance to get out and trip over her these days. Which reminds me, I should txt her and see what she's up to this weekend.
CanContrib
05-12-06, 10:43
next time you are in Cebu or Manila.Yes,They sell E tickets and None refundable and None endorsable Domestic tickets in the PI also.Btw While I was at an Internet Cafe in Burgos that I partially own,
Next time you're in Manila, find a way to let me know & maybe we can compare biz notes over a few beers. Seems you and I have more than a few things in common.
Aside from that, any ideas how one might set up to sell travel services out of one's Internet Cafe? :)
We need to expand our revenue base.
Cebu Local
05-12-06, 23:38
Next time you're in Manila, find a way to let me know & maybe we can compare biz notes over a few beers. Seems you and I have more than a few things in common.
Aside from that, any ideas how one might set up to sell travel services out of one's Internet Cafe? :)
We need to expand our revenue base.I sent you a pm,But I wanted to clarify something Even though I have lived in the Philippines for the past 15 years,Speak Filipino Tagalog and Cebuano fluently at close to native level,I am NOT involved with a Pinay.I am involved with a Canadian educated Chinese from Shanghai.Pinays are too emotional,Have no concept of Financial planning and consider long range planning what to do tommorow.If you could speak Tagalog,You would really consider what they are thinking.I was listening to a conversation among 4 Burgos girls yesterday,How long after you get to America should you divorce the Stupid MATANDANG GURANG NA KANO,The consensus was after you get your green card then you can bring your boyfriend over.One was saying How SMART her cousin was for marrying and divorcing 3 times,Now she has US citizenship and 2 houses.Of course they had no idea I spoke Tagalog,Just another TANGA FORIEGNER at the table,Filipinas????Pass btw Matandang gurang na Kano is Stupid old goat American
GoodEnough
05-13-06, 05:26
I know more than a few girls who've met stupid-enough foreigners that they get wire-transfers of $1000 monthly for a while. It's not just a rumor. When the money dries up, then they go looking for the next stupid foreigner. In the interim, I don't mind letting _them_ buy me a few drinks since for a while they have more money to burn than I do. The girls who are really good at it will sometimes have two or more stupid foreigners sending them money at the same time, and just juggle their "visits" to keep the gravytrain rolling. Of course, those are the smart girls; there are a few and lucky for them they're outnumbered by stupid foreigners. I know one girl who built a house for her kids that way. I wish I could afford a nice new cellfone every few months the way she seems to turn up with. She's a good friend though, and we laugh about all this when we trip over each other every few months. Best time to trip over her is when she's just got rid of some stupid foreigner, doesn't need money, and she wants to pay the shot for some wine and time in a jacuzzi with me. Too bad I don't have much chance to get out and trip over her these days. Which reminds me, I should txt her and see what she's up to this weekend.
Like you, I know several women here who collect money from multiple guys whom they've never met. Each of the guys thinks that he's "engaged" to the girl, and each sends money every week or every month. My question though is whether this says more about the guys or the girls? I mean, if you're stupid enough and/or pathetic enough to send money to a woman you've never met, about whose character you know absolutely nothing, what does this say about you and your basic intelligence?
Many of the girls I know who are running these multiple scams feel no guilt at all about what they're doing. They say that the odds on any of these guys actually showing up in the PI are small, and that if one ever does show up, she's go with him in a heatbeat and drop the others. These girls seem intent on creating as many options for themselves as possible. And why not? There is apparently no shortage of willing marks waiting to be fleeced. I can understand completely the uncomplicated motivation of these women. What I fail to understand at all is the motivation of the guys involved with them. Do they all that Pygmalion complexes? Do they all lead such empty lives in their own countries that this is the only source of female contact they have? I'll never understand, but their collective gullibilty is supporting hundred, if not thousands of families here, as well as dozens, if not hundred, of internet cafes with web cams and private rooms.
For what these guys are spending, they could afford to come over here for a few weeks and test the waters in person. Most though, never will whether out of fear of travel or commitment to preserving their fantasies, or for other reasons.
Anyway guys, whatever your motivation, keep up the payments. You're having a positive impact on the GDP of a country that needs the foreign exchange.
:D
GE
Cebu Local
05-13-06, 10:15
I do not have anything against Filipinas.I think they make great lovers girlfriends and wives for some people.But the very thraits that make them charming Sweet,Loving,Jealous and Highly emotional do not make them an ideal mate for me.Ask yourself how many BIG businesses in the Philippines are run by pure native Filipinos and How much is run by Spanish and Chinese and Chinese Mixed breedsThe answer is very very little.The tendency for the Filipina is to be more concerned about looking after family then turning a buck.Plus speaking Filipino allows me to understand their mentality which scares me more.So different strokes for different folks.I just cant see a nice sweet Filipina Girl helping run my businesses as my life partner.Sorry for those I offended and who PMed me
A while back I asked CL for info about how to buy a Filipina an air ticket, but prevent her from cashing it in.
My friend, for whatever reasons, wired $500+ to a Cebu bargirl so that she could buy a ticket to Bali and meet him.
Just want to report that she did pick up the money, did buy the ticket, and did go to Bali. Happy ending to that story.
X
Cebu Local
05-13-06, 22:47
A while back I asked CL for info about how to buy a Filipina an air ticket, but prevent her from cashing it in.
My friend, for whatever reasons, wired $500+ to a Cebu bargirl so that she could buy a ticket to Bali and meet him.
Just want to report that she did pick up the money, did buy the ticket, and did go to Bali. Happy ending to that story.
XGood thing for your friend,That was a rare case indeed,Maybe She never went abroad before and wanted the experience
I been lurking on and off, I was seeking answers on this board, I see it's leaning towards more negetive than positive about marrying a phillipina woman. About pulling scams ect. , I can see the pros and cons, I'm planning to marry one, now I'm getting second thoughts on this. I could be throwing away chance of true happiness, But anyways I met her on yahoo chat about year and a half ago. She is working in HK as a nanny her contract is up in mid July she is from Cagayan de oro city. Not once she ask me to send money if she did then BYE! I move to the next one. I'm planning to go to phili in aug 10 I'm taking a 3 weeks vacation so me and her will get to know eachother even better. I reading someones post if I understood it correctly if she ask money to help her family out while visiting, then I would say Bye! Then I go to bars and fuck many gals I can. Sometimes we text eachother few times a week once in a rare while she will call me then I call her back thank goodness pre paid phone cards. Sometimes she send pics of her and cousins while walking on the streets of HK. It took me months to have her send nude pics of her she send few pics as my b-day present by e-mail she told me she was embarrassed LOL! I know asain women are shy about their body. She asked me why I still single I told her I don't like white women and gave her my reasons I don't like white women because their attitude ect. Ect. She understood my reasons, and I was being straight foward to her and told her if we ever marry someday and if you start to get white women way of thinking (Fem Nazi) I would tell you to leave my house and don't come back. She understood loud and clear and told me she don't go for white women ways she rather stay to her phili ways being a good wife attend to husband needs, We shall see on this. After meeting her I will get a Finance? Visa since you have 90 days to marry I will test drive her for 2 months while living me if everything goes smoothly then we will marry. So how long does the visa takes to get processed and approved? I heard it's 6 months so what's the time length? For visa? I thank you for your input on this.
I been lurking on and off. I was seeking answers on this board about marrying fillipna woman, all I see it's leaning more towards to negetive than positive, about them scamming and ect. Now I'm getting second thoughts on this, I could throw away the true happiness. I understand the pros and cons, Anyways I'm planning to marry one she is working In HK as a caregiver her contract is up in mid July, I met her on yahoo chat year and half ago, I was planning to take 3 weeks of vacation and I will leave aug 10 she is from Cagayan de oro city. I figure 3 weeks is enough to get to know her even better. Sometimes she send me pics of her and cousins walking on the streets of HK, sometimes she text me and rarely calls me and I call her back thank goodness for prepaid phone cards. Not once she asked me to send her money, if she did then I'll say Bye! I go find someone else. Even while visiting if she ask for money to help her family, Again I'll say bye. I go to bars and bang many gals I can find, she asked me why I still single never married I told her I don't like white women because of their attitude ect. Ect. She understood my reasons. I was being straight foward to her and told her if we ever marry someday and you get the white women way of thinking (Fem nazi)I will kick her out of my house and she understood loud and clear she told me she don't go for white women ways. We shall see on this LOL! I heard finance visa takes 6 months to get approved? So what is the actual time length for visa to get approved? I figure with the visa you have 90 days to get married so when she arrives we will live together for 2 months as a test drive if everything goes smoothly then I will marry her. I thank you for your input on this.
Cebu Local
05-14-06, 04:10
Do not think that Philippine women are bad,Remember that there is a world of difference between normal girls and bar girls.The fact she is working overseas as a contract worker is already a plus,Thay means she is not a lazy person,These workers work 10-12 hours a day 6 days a week.But they are not perfect wives,Like all women they have defects unique to the Filipina,Strong Family ties that means she will always help her family.Accept this for all Filipinas,A Fiance visa allows for a test drive,But go further Have a Pre-Nuptial agreement also.They are emotional,That means loving to the point of self sacrifice but also that they are not as rational and logical as the western mind,If she wants to help her Family do not hold it against her,Many times Family contributes towards the cost of working abroad which is like 1 years income for the average Filipino in Placement fees,Ticket etc.She might be wanting to repay assistance given to her.Go ahead take a chance,Since she has certain plus factors Just remember Pre nuptial and Dont have her hold the finances until you have been together sometime.Processing for Fiance Visa is 6 months to one year Best regards
Cebu Local
05-14-06, 04:32
You have to understand that to A Filipina Family is above all,Once She considers you a her true ASAWA and no longer a Stupid KANO,then as Can Contrib says you are fine.But before that stage in your relationship keep your guard up.
Been away a few days, haven't read all of the posts. My experience is like 95%+ positive, met very few scammers, actually only 1 or possibly 2 out of 200+ "penpals". As I've said before, my wife (then Fiance) got pissed at me for buying her family a refrigerator before we got engaged, would also tell me to stop sending her simple gifts such as T-Shirts, souveniers, etc..
We did help her brother in his business, but we only matched what the Kuya had "invested".
Here in the States, have met close to 100 Fil-Am couples, only one went sour - she was already married and took her Am hubby for a ride.
My wife worked as a DH in Singapore and HK, but she isn't the best housekeeper, LOL. I do help out. She is the most passionate woman I have met and probably loves me more than my Mother did, if that is possible.
You do have to use the head on your shoulders when making a decision - if something doesn't seem right, chill out and wait before making a decision or walk away. Get other peoples opinions, I did. I met my wife in HK and had a chat friend from CB (female) meet us in Kowloon for lunch and got her opinion, as well as opinions from Americans and Filipinos in the Phils when we were there.
I'm very positive about Filipinas as wives, but maybe go there with just the idea of meeting friends; if you meet the right one, then you will naturally start thinking of a more serious relationship. Don't go there with the intention of "finding a wife".
A trial at a local court here that got little media attention appears certain to untangle a web of deception and betrayal involving a Filipina in a case that smacks of greed and murder.
full story at: http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200605190158.html
Dragon Slayer
05-20-06, 10:18
Pals,
I believe that scams by filipinas are abundant today. Especially using the internet.I will Post my experiences when I return to the USA.
There still are many good women here. I am fortunate in this regard also.
Dragon Slayer
CanContrib
05-20-06, 21:46
I been lurking on and off. I was seeking answers on this board about marrying fillipna woman, all I see it's leaning more towards to negetive than positive, about them scamming and ect. Now I'm getting second thoughts on this, .... .
As you're reading all this "advice", remember to compare sexworkers with sexworks anywhere, bar-girls with bar-girls, and non-sex-worker girls with ordinary girls. Remember that *any* girl wll grace your bed if she likes you enough to do so and you happen to trip over her at the right time, it's just a lot easier here in Phils than in NA. A like-for-like comparision still has Pinays well ahead in the ratings, pick your category, jjust make sure you _understand_ the category you pick and are confiidant that your girl is indeed who she says she is. (there's no requirement that girls always tell the truth, especially first time, di ba?).
In summation, would I pick a good Pinay over a (supposedly "good" NorthAmerican) woman?
Hell yah!!!!!!! Just have your act together when you do that. odds (yes *odds*) are that a good Pinay is more likely than any NA female. You still need to seleect the right one for you, eh?
CanContrib
05-20-06, 22:16
A trial at a local court here that got little media attention appears certain to untangle a web of deception and betrayal involving a Filipina in a case that smacks of greed and murder.
full story at: http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200605190158.html
Scams *are* abundant today, true!. The more literate the scammer, the more prolferant the scam.
When in countries where the "law" doesn't defacto auto-scam the man, yes, females have more incentive. As always, "buyer beware"! At least in Phils you get some value for your expenditure.
Consider it this way, long term, you spend $1M in North America, and you have _what_ at the end of it all? Bankrupcy and your broken heart? Contrast, you bring $100K to Phils, use your head, and you have .... ?
What's the worst? for $100K you have 10 years of great life with girls you couldn't even dream of back in NA, never mind the NA hassles.
What's the best? YOu have a *LIFE*, and you keep your other $900K in reserve if you have that much to start with if your NA "wife" didn't suck the rest of your life from you before you found a map.
Yeah, maybe you (like me) don't have $1million, but hey, do the math, you want a life or you want $900K of debts to pay until you die with NO love somewhere in NA with some deadbeat woman sucking the life out of you *by*law* there? Yeah, pick one, since you can't have both.
You do your proper research where you're sitting, and then when you already *know* where your'e going, you spend "what" (in comparison) is almost nothing, to find out where life is better?
Na, you all stay back in US & Canada & Europe. Don't come here to Phils! It's terrible here (write me if you want ot know all the bad stuff). Don't come here. Stay away. Better we have more good girls longing for us who are already here. Yes, stay away, please!!! The odds are already something like 3:1 (female-to-male) ; don't you mess that up, we like it this way!
CanContrib
05-20-06, 22:28
I ... and you get the white women way of thinking (Fem nazi)I will kick her out of my house and she understood loud and clear she told me she don't go for white women ways.
If you bring her to NA, don't be surprised if she strangely beocmes a "white woman".
We shall see on this LOL! I heard finance visa takes 6 months to get approved? So what is the actual time length for visa to get approved? I figure with the visa you have 90 days to get married so when she arrives we will live together for 2 months as a test drive if everything goes smoothly then I will marry her. I thank you for your input on this.
Visa "requirements" vary from country to country; I won't even think to start to guess wich is yours and what might apply. In general, what a given country's web site might tell you is just the official line - try to act it out and you might get a bit of a surprise.
LIve with her for as long as it takes in the Phils (my thinking is 5 years is a good benchmark), and *then* see what happens when you travel outside Phils. As another wise resident commented, if you want to abrogate that time, a pre-nuptual agreement would be very appropriate. What does your aswa-to-be say about that?
While I have yet to try to get "akin asawa" into the country I'm a citizen of, I really do expect the embassy to be less reluctanct to grant a visa to someone I've lived with 5 years solid than to someone I *might* want to marry 'maybe' 'if', etc. We'll see. Best of luck!
General advice, live with her (and her family) for a few years - see if she (and her familyl) is who you want to spend the rest of youf life with (and mutually support) - otherwise, why are you trying to get a visa for her?
CanContrib
05-20-06, 23:05
... [taken out-of-contex] That means loving to the point of self sacrifice but also that they are not as rational and logical as the western mind,If she wants to help her Family do not hold it against her,Many times Family contributes towards the cost of working abroad which is like 1 years income for the average Filipino in Placement fees,Ticket etc.She might be wanting to repay assistance given to her.Go ahead take a chance,Since she has certain plus factors Just remember Pre nuptial and Dont have her hold the finances until you have been together sometime.Processing for Fiance Visa is 6 months to one year Best regards
I just dropped akin bayou (Pinoy brother-in-law) off at NAIA (the airport) for his OFW contract. I hope to see him by Christmas again. As usual, we ran shotgun for each other while he's "home" - which this year meant he stayed with us (long story!) We had a very quick window of opportunity while he's at his girlfriend's house for a last minute quickie, and I had a chance on the way to deliver him to the airport to treat two other bayou to some "nice girls" for a fast convenient hour (yeah, me too, funny how someone I know just happened to be available). What did I spend for the 3 of us? Um, P2500 for the 3 of us, including gas, beer, tatlong quarto, tapos sempre yung babae, lahat. Ok, I didn't have quite enough with me, so I told the dude to collect the balance of 40pesos from whoever has it, walang problema. :) Of course this is out in Cavite, not metro Manila.
How do I know of this hidden place in Imus? Sempre, from my brother-in-law's brother-in-law. :-)
OO! Pinoy family is good! So I'm lucky with her family, or are they lucky with me? Whatever, it works! They bought food on the way home, since I was out of cash.
CanContrib
05-20-06, 23:34
I do not have anything against Filipinas.I think they make great lovers girlfriends and wives for some people.But the very thraits that make them charming Sweet,Loving,Jealous and Highly emotional do not make them an ideal mate for me.Ask yourself how many BIG businesses in the Philippines are run by pure native Filipinos and How much is run by Spanish and Chinese and Chinese Mixed breedsThe answer is very very little.The tendency for the Filipina is to be more concerned about looking after family then turning a buck.Plus speaking Filipino allows me to understand their mentality which scares me more.So different strokes for different folks.I just cant see a nice sweet Filipina Girl helping run my businesses as my life partner.Sorry for those I offended and who PMed me
Yeah,tell me about it! Juggling personal relationship *and* being business partner with a Pinay isn't exactly all roses. Then again, it's nice to be able to tell her brothers that it's *her* business that's buying the night's beer tapos amin polutan. That of course also means that you'd better get laid "labas" kasi she's not interested by the time you get home after drinking outside.
CanContrib
05-20-06, 23:45
I sent you a pm,But I wanted to clarify something Even though I have lived in the Philippines for the past 15 years,Speak Filipino Tagalog and Cebuano fluently at close to native level,I am NOT involved with a Pinay.I am involved with a Canadian educated Chinese from Shanghai.Pinays are too emotional,Have no concept of Financial planning and consider long range planning what to do tommorow.If you could speak Tagalog,You would really consider what they are thinking.I was listening to a conversation among 4 Burgos girls yesterday,How long after you get to America should you divorce the Stupid MATANDANG GURANG NA KANO,The consensus was after you get your green card then you can bring your boyfriend over.One was saying How SMART her cousin was for marrying and divorcing 3 times,Now she has US citizenship and 2 houses.Of course they had no idea I spoke Tagalog,Just another TANGA FORIEGNER at the table,Filipinas????Pass btw Matandang gurang na Kano is Stupid old goat American
That really does depend on the girl, eh? Though I've not been here quite as long as you, I've (over)heard many Taglog conversations between bar girls (and others), and yes, I know very well wereof you speak. Who knows, maybe if after all these years I take my wife to Canada that will be the end of it all, but if so, well, I can't kick about what she's given me in return thus far. Then again, the key, as everywhere, seems to be to ensure that one's "partner" knows the bread is best buttered together. Not easy, anywhere; thus one must chose wisely and deal with it every day. Ultimately its a personal relationship thing and yes, financial.
Cebu Local
05-21-06, 15:28
While I have yet to try to get "akin asawa" into the country I'm a citizen of, I really do expect the embassy to be less reluctanct to grant a visa to someone I've lived with 5 years solid than to someone I *might* want to marry 'maybe' 'if', etc. We'll see. Best of luck!
General advice, live with her (and her family) for a few years - see if she (and her familyl) is who you want to spend the rest of youf life with (and mutually support) - otherwise, why are you trying to get a visa for her?Nice talking to you earlier,I bumped into the Immigration officer of that country you are a citizen of this evening.You will most probably get her visa approved,Straight from the horses mouth of that wonderful country s immigration consul.If only the weather was better........Cheers Btw its AKING asawa
CanContrib
05-21-06, 21:10
Nice talking to you earlier,I bumped into the Immigration officer of that country you are a citizen of this evening.You will most probably get her visa approved,Straight from the horses mouth of that wonderful country s immigration consul.If only the weather was better........Cheers
Ditto, my pleasure. Thanks for the feedback; I'm just waiting for one important piece of legal paperwork from "back there" to make them happier with my own status to ensure that's not any possible impediment. We're thinking of just trying for a simple "tourist visa", did your contact suggest anything better?
Btw its AKING asawa
You're quite right. I have this nasty habit of trying to write tagalog the way I all to often improperly mis-accent it.
Cebu Local
05-21-06, 23:30
Ditto, my pleasure. Thanks for the feedback; I'm just waiting for one important piece of legal paperwork from "back there" to make them happier with my own status to ensure that's not any possible impediment. We're thinking of just trying for a simple "tourist visa", did your contact suggest anything better?
You're quite right. I have this nasty habit of trying to write tagalog the way I all to often improperly mis-accent it.You have to start with a simple Tourist Visa,You cannot sponsor the wifey for anything else ,Since you are not a Resident of that country,You are a none resident you know what.Only resident you know whats can sponsor.Best regards
Fred C Dobbs
05-22-06, 05:31
As info to anyone interested. The Philippine Retirement Authority just lowered the required six month bank deposit from usd 50,000 to usd 20,000 for persons 50 years and older. This is for a six month trial period starting May 28th. Go to www.plra.gov.ph
CanContrib
05-22-06, 23:03
As info to anyone interested. The Philippine Retirement Authority just lowered the required six month bank deposit from usd 50,000 to usd 20,000 for persons 50 years and older. This is for a six month trial period starting May 28th. Go to www.plra.gov.ph
Wow! Wish they'd done that a few years ago, would have saved me a big bunch of money dealing with the previous requirement!
Is it just me. Becoming to jaded and such. Or does anyone elses seem to think they are all scamminig us to some point?
Dated a few. Banged a few. Written to many over the years. I think with the advent of the internet as opposed to the days of snail mail. Scammers are more prevalent? (in relation to girl friend/partner type girls)
It seems to me that technology has allowed the chicks who scam to flourish. Its just to easy.
In my humble opinion the chicks are less genuine. Than in years past. Maybe its just me being naieve. Or just fucking stupid?
But after visiting. Banging. Dating and romancing. As well as reading the other posts and adventures. I just do not feel the same easiness about things. Anyone else thinking the same?
Not so willing to take on one as a partner as years back (now in early 40's). Maybe common sense says. There are still lots of good looking white tail here that are ready and available to fuck. Plus the ones in my circle have jobs and cash (maybe mostly from x husbands). But who fucking cares.
Still like LBFM type chicks but. Really weary about paying for anyones shit past tonight.
Frank
Although I take my mongering serious, there is a limit to taking oneself and/or the mongering process serious.
There will always be scams differentiated by culture - eastern vs. western
Lighten up an enjoy.
Is it just me. Becoming to jaded and such. Or does anyone elses seem to think they are all scamminig us to some point?
Dated a few. Banged a few. Written to many over the years. I think with the advent of the internet as opposed to the days of snail mail. Scammers are more prevalent? (in relation to girl friend/partner type girls)
It seems to me that technology has allowed the chicks who scam to flourish. Its just to easy.
In my humble opinion the chicks are less genuine. Than in years past. Maybe its just me being naieve. Or just fucking stupid?
But after visiting. Banging. Dating and romancing. As well as reading the other posts and adventures. I just do not feel the same easiness about things. Anyone else thinking the same?
Not so willing to take on one as a partner as years back (now in early 40's). Maybe common sense says. There are still lots of good looking white tail here that are ready and available to fuck. Plus the ones in my circle have jobs and cash (maybe mostly from x husbands). But who fucking cares.
Still like LBFM type chicks but. Really weary about paying for anyones shit past tonight.
Frank
The fee for this visa is $1,500.00! You also need to have money transferred to a bank account in PH!
No dice! If the visa fee was $150.00, I would consider this. Too expensive otherwise.
MD
As info to anyone interested. The Philippine Retirement Authority just lowered the required six month bank deposit from usd 50,000 to usd 20,000 for persons 50 years and older. This is for a six month trial period starting May 28th. Go to www.plra.gov.ph
CanContrib
05-26-06, 00:08
The fee for this visa is $1,500.00! You also need to have money transferred to a bank account in PH!
No dice! If the visa fee was $150.00, I would consider this. Too expensive otherwise.
MD
Are we talking about the same thing here?!? This is about Permanent Residency! *NOT* just a one-shot (or pay ad-infinitum) visitor visa. If you want to stay *permanantly*, it's one hell of a good deal. If you're just coming for a few weeks and might come back for 21 days some oher year, then you are way confused and on the wrong thread. Your first 3 weeks visitor visa to Phils costs you precisely NOTHING.
Look at it this way, whatever country you're from, what would it cost some foreigner to go to YOUR country and be treated as an almost-citizen of your country?
If you bring her to NA, don't be surprised if she strangely beocmes a "white woman".
Visa "requirements" vary from country to country; I won't even think to start to guess wich is yours and what might apply. In general, what a given country's web site might tell you is just the official line - try to act it out and you might get a bit of a surprise.
LIve with her for as long as it takes in the Phils (my thinking is 5 years is a good benchmark), and *then* see what happens when you travel outside Phils. As another wise resident commented, if you want to abrogate that time, a pre-nuptual agreement would be very appropriate. What does your aswa-to-be say about that?
While I have yet to try to get "akin asawa" into the country I'm a citizen of, I really do expect the embassy to be less reluctanct to grant a visa to someone I've lived with 5 years solid than to someone I *might* want to marry 'maybe' 'if', etc. We'll see. Best of luck!
General advice, live with her (and her family) for a few years - see if she (and her familyl) is who you want to spend the rest of youf life with (and mutually support) - otherwise, why are you trying to get a visa for her?Okay I wish I could live there for few years I need to win lottery Lol! sadly it would be impossible. as for pre-nup I was being straight with her I was telling her that most women in phili will use men as a 1 way ticket to USA that they will marry once they get green card they divorce the sucker and take half what he owns, she told me she not like other women who will do that, at first she was reluctant to agree pre-nupt. so I have to explain to her more clearly and she agrees to sign the pre-nupt so she was okay with it, she told me wants a good life nothing else.. thats cool but we will see what happens when we meet.
Fred C Dobbs
05-26-06, 08:01
CanContrib I take it you have a SRRVisa. How cumbersome was the process?
Cebu Local
05-26-06, 22:35
CanContrib I take it you have a SRRVisa. How cumbersome was the process?Yes,CanContrib is using a SRR visa,The process takes a couple of months
CanContrib
05-26-06, 23:15
Okay I wish I could live there for few years I need to win lottery Lol! sadly it would be impossible.
Are you sure you don't have that baliktad (backwards)?
Again, I don't know your country, if it's US or Canada, then you need to win the lottery to live back *there*. In the Phils, if you have any decent savings, or a pension from your former country, or you have a business there or here that you can draw a little bit from monthly, then you're ok. Put it this way, you can live in the Phils and live here very well for a lot less than the poverty line wherever you come from back there. Works for me!
as for pre-nup I was being straight with her I was telling her that most women in phili will use men as a 1 way ticket to USA that they will marry once they get green card they divorce the sucker and take half what he owns, she told me she not like other women who will do that, at first she was reluctant to agree pre-nupt. so I have to explain to her more clearly and she agrees to sign the pre-nupt so she was okay with it, she told me wants a good life nothing else.. thats cool but we will see what happens when we meet.
Yup, so they all say. Maybe she's being honest with you, but even then, will it still be the same after she's resident in the US (or whatever western country) and absorbs the typical western female take-the-man-for-everything-the-legal-system-lets-you-take-him-for? Maybe not. I wish you luck. I trust my wife here, who I've known almost 5 years and been together with for almost that long, but hey, I'm not so sure what would happen if I take her back to NA! I'm half-comfortable that after all that time she really loves me and means every word of everything she says about us growing old together. The other half of me is still cautious about all that and *now* I'm contemplating taking her to NA for a one-month first visit; we'll see what happens if I do. That's after 5 years. You have what so far, zero days together? Come here, meet the hoped-for love-of-your-life and pray she's as real and as honest FOREVER as she's telling you she is. Live with her, and come back here in 2011 and tell us how it turns out.
Yes, a woman will most certainly be heinously insulted if you ask her to sign a document committing her to be worthy of your trust! After all, the man should commit everything and just hope he might not get taken all the way to his grave, right? Think about how that is in *your* own country. Then apply the Pinay aspect where the culture suggests that such should NEVER be needed. Right. Meanwhile, back in the 21st century ...
Oh, and if you're going to go for the pre-nup, then make sure it's going to be "legal" in *your* country of origin, so that if you lose everything you have in Phils you at least have something back there to start over with. In short, "Cover Thy Butt!" lest someone you hope to trust bites it way too hard. Did I mention they *do* bite?
CanContrib
05-26-06, 23:38
CanContrib I take it you have a SRRVisa. How cumbersome was the process?
Yes. Makes me next thing to a citizen, but not that; that's to come. The process wasn't in retrospect all that cumbersome. I don't regret having paid someone I could trust to wave the right magic wands in the right faces and take care of making sure everyone that needed to sign things did so with minimal fuss. I probably paid an extra maybe up to P10,000 for that and it was well worth it. Once I had the "requirements" straight, I spent a couple of hours filling out redundant paperwork in many forms, not that anyone in retrospect cared much about what I put in there though I spent the time and effort to be factual. Get the "investment certificate". Then a trip to NBI for "clearance" and inky fingers. Attend at Bureau of Quarantine at the port for that clearance (whole other story). Complete yet more forms. Attend at varioui BI offices to get things signed and expedited (and more inky fingers) until I had all the needed *after*visa* resident documents.
I'll not quote my total expenditure, since the amount varies with the situation and who you know, but if I'm around to read it I"ll privately point you at a good person to make things happen for you, all very legal, wearing his BI agent ID when he's at BI with you.
All in all, about one month from when I handed him the money needed, and yes I had some complications, and that was all done over the Christmas and NY holiday period! He lamented "no more visa renewal business from you, di ba?" I surprised him with a P1000 tip after the fact, in appreciation for all he's done for me over the years.
Now I can come and go the same as any Pinoy anytime I want. No more VISA renewals. More importantly I can legallly work in Phils with not special work permit needed. Sure there ways around that if you're in business, but this is MUCH cleaner. Now I just have to pay a little over P300 every January at any city hall to get my head taxed and it's all legal and good. I can live with that just fine thank you. It costs me more to get my car licenceplate renewed here, and my Phils drivers licence renewal.
So not so bad. Try getting it done as cheap, with professional help, and as fast in any western country!!!!!
Fred C Dobbs
05-27-06, 03:29
I've been emailing a woman from PSBank who says the process is no problem at all. She even said a representative from the Philippine Retirement Authority can walk a person through it. This would be great if true but I have my doubts. I would gladly pay someone 10,000 pesos to expedite the process. I don't want to spend my entire vacation in Makati dealing with this.
After the six month term deposit at the bank, where did you invest your money after that?
Cebu Local
05-27-06, 06:30
I've been emailing a woman from PSBank who says the process is no problem at all. She even said a representative from the Philippine Retirement Authority can walk a person through it. This would be great if true but I have my doubts. I would gladly pay someone 10,000 pesos to expedite the process. I don't want to spend my entire vacation in Makati dealing with this.
After the six month term deposit at the bank, where did you invest your money after that?Property,A small business..........Sorry CanContrib for answering for you and butting in,But basically I am familiar with the rules and after the 6 months,That is where you can shift the money to just like you did,Fred It really can be done that quickly,You can also bring in your car and stuff from the overseas duty free
CanContrib,
I have a aunt who works at the law office. I will ask her to have the lawyer she works for to have pre-nupt ready to make sure everything is good
CanContrib
05-27-06, 23:09
Property,A small business..........Sorry CanContrib for answering for you and butting in,But basically I am familiar with the rules and after the 6 months,That is where you can shift the money to just like you did,Fred It really can be done that quickly,You can also bring in your car and stuff from the overseas duty free
Walang problema, Cebu, it saves me some typing. :-) Please elaborate about the duty-free car-and-stuff, I myself have no idea since ako at aking aswa started our life together with our respective suitcases oh so long ago. I do have a nice car and stuff "back in the old country" but didn't even contemplate the cost (what would that be) of shipping it all the way here and then paying to avoid the hoops of getting it smogged (for no good reason), the "conduction sticker", plus the usual LTO licencing BS. Seemed way cheaper for me to just buy a good used car for P50K here which is exactly what I did and two years after doing that I'm still driving it or at least will be again when the "agent" shows up with the renewal sticker. I wouldn't mind having my NA car here, rather than letting a friend back there maintain and drive it free, though I just can't see much opportunity to be driving it at the accustomed 140km/hr there, here. Still it's a good asset, so do you think I can get it shipped here for less than the pittance I'd get if I sold it off back there? Maybe I should just talk to one of aking bayou and see if he can squeeze it into one of the containers he loads onto ships when he's over there?
One thing you missed answering Cebu, since you wouldn't know my situation, I re-"invested" the 6-month term deposit to pay down my nice low 21% mortgage at the time plus fund aking aswa's business, which these days nicely pays for the basic necessities of life, plus. Don't tell anyone, but I actually did that somewhat "baliktad", which did complicate things somewhat and is part of what I paid out the (approx) P10K to "take care of".
Life is good.
CanContrib
05-27-06, 23:25
CanContrib,
I have a aunt who works at the law office. I will ask her to have the lawyer she works for to have pre-nupt ready to make sure everything is good
Ok, though not sure what country your aunt is in. Probably most important if NA is to ensure that you'll be clean or at least-cut-and-dried legally-enforceable clean (if worst should happen). However, don't for a moment neglect the reality that should the worst happen, there's no such thing as "divorce" in the Philippines. There is however annulment, and that will cost something like 200+K-peso or more if y ou want it faster than the usual 2 or more years, plus it (like divorce back "there") is a royal pain in the posterious - like a hemeroid that just won't go away for way too long.
Be *very* careful, both here and back there to ensure that no one can ever make claim of "bigamy" against you. Ever. You can have all the love and sex you want, make babies, tell lies about your relationships to make things look good, but never NEVER ***NEVER*** be legally married to more than one person at the same time in any and all countries. Just don't do that even if you think you can play that legal game. No one should ever need to reflect on that advice from a lifetime jail anywhere. Above all else, that's one thing I've beeen very very careful to preclude. The same applies to your intended life-partner, since if she's over 18 she's as likely to be already married as not. Even if not married, there might be some boyfriend making BS claims on her. I don't know if any of that that's an issue to you or if you even *know* if it's an issue to you, but it's worth mentioning in this general forum for everyone to note.
Yeah, this is a "worst case" thread, but we should all keep our eyes wide open and prepare for all those "worst case" situations.
Cebu Local
05-28-06, 00:27
Walang problema, Cebu, it saves me some typing. :-) Please elaborate about the duty-free car-and-stuff, I myself have no idea since ako at aking aswa started our life together with our respective suitcases oh so long ago. I do have a nice car and stuff "back in the old country" but didn't even contemplate the cost (what would that be) of shipping it all the way here and then paying to avoid the hoops of getting it smogged (for no good reason), the "conduction sticker", plus the usual LTO licencing BS. Seemed way cheaper for me to just buy a good used car for P50K here which is exactly what I did and two years after doing that I'm still driving it or at least will be again when the "agent" shows up with the renewal sticker. I wouldn't mind having my NA car here, rather than letting a friend back there maintain and drive it free, though I just can't see much opportunity to be driving it at the accustomed 140km/hr there, here. Still it's a good asset, so do you think I can get it shipped here for less than the pittance I'd get if I sold it off back there? Maybe I should just talk to one of aking bayou and see if he can squeeze it into one of the containers he loads onto ships when he's over there?
One thing you missed answering Cebu, since you wouldn't know my situation, I re-"invested" the 6-month term deposit to pay down my nice low 21% mortgage at the time plus fund aking aswa's business, which these days nicely pays for the basic necessities of life, plus. Don't tell anyone, but I actually did that somewhat "baliktad", which did complicate things somewhat and is part of what I paid out the (approx) P10K to "take care of".
Life is good.Yes,There is a way to bring it in,But I think that you should avail of the benefit once you move to the PI,Let me check if you can still availe of that benefit.Ok I will get back to you
CanContrib
05-28-06, 01:10
Yes,There is a way to bring it in,But I think that you should avail of the benefit once you move to the PI,Let me check if you can still availe of that benefit.Ok I will get back to you
Thanks Cebu. Needless to say, the more time passes, the less the value, and for the car, hey, I haven't seen it in a few years so (email promises notwithstanding) who knows if it even remotely remsembles the car I last drove there and remember owning. Ditto the other "stuff" I have back there. Furniture is "mura dito", so I must wonder if the cost of shipping stuff from there to here is worth it. Ditto aging computer parts, which are obsolete the day after you buy them anywhere. There seem to basically be 2 factors: "shipping cost" and "import cost", so the real question must be ... do those two add up to less than "current replacement cost" in the Philippines.
Fred C Dobbs
05-28-06, 06:50
CanContrib I would like the contact of the person who assisted you in getting your SRRV.
Thanks Cebu. Needless to say, the more time passes, the less the value, and for the car, hey, I haven't seen it in a few years so (email promises notwithstanding) who knows if it even remotely remsembles the car I last drove there and remember owning. Ditto the other "stuff" I have back there. Furniture is "mura dito", so I must wonder if the cost of shipping stuff from there to here is worth it. Ditto aging computer parts, which are obsolete the day after you buy them anywhere. There seem to basically be 2 factors: "shipping cost" and "import cost", so the real question must be ... do those two add up to less than "current replacement cost" in the Philippines.
If you get a retirement VISA you can bring up to $7,000 worth of goods from the US>
Cebu Local
05-28-06, 08:29
If you get a retirement VISA you can bring up to $7,000 worth of goods from the US>You can play with the figures and actually bring in much much more then 7,000 dollars
If I were moving to the Philippines...
...what would I bring...what should I bring?
The only thing I can really think of is cutting edge electronics: Computer / cameras / music devices.
Those of you who live in Philippines? What would you recommend?
Oh, thinking of GE...fine wine.
OH...Japanese condoms?*
* Since there are more lawyers in the USA than there are those little wiggly spermy things, American condoms are very thck. They won't break. Used Amerocondoms are sometimes used as auto tire retreads. Of course the "big" men on this list will tell you that they are too tight. Hmmm.... rubber stretches and a little tight makes the fun last a little longer. Every guy I ever met who said, "too small", also admitted that he'd never worn a J. condom.
X
CanContrib
05-28-06, 22:30
CanContrib I would like the contact of the person who assisted you in getting your SRRV.
Fred, I can't go posting his contact info online. However, you're welcome to email me through this forum a couple or so weeks before you'll be in Malate next, and perhaps we can arrange a time to meet and I'll introduce you in a public place - the same way as I was introduced to him years ago, in person.
GoodEnough
05-29-06, 02:29
If I were moving to the Philippines...
...what would I bring...what should I bring?
The only thing I can really think of is cutting edge electronics: Computer / cameras / music devices.
Those of you who live in Philippines? What would you recommend?
Oh, thinking of GE...fine wine.
OH...Japanese condoms?*
* Since there are more lawyers in the USA than there are those little wiggly spermy things, American condoms are very thck. They won't break. Used Amerocondoms are sometimes used as auto tire retreads. Of course the "big" men on this list will tell you that they are too tight. Hmmm.... rubber stretches and a little tight makes the fun last a little longer. Every guy I ever met who said, "too small", also admitted that he'd never worn a J. condom.
X
Well, the wine for sure, especially if you're not moving to Manila or another large city. Japanese and US condoms are readily available in the larger cities, and I think these are a necessity. My experience with the made-in-Philippines brands is that they're too tight and, more importantly, they have a tendency to break.
You might also want to consider a high end computer. It's tough, even in Manila, to buy the latest stuff since most Filipinos cannot afford it. Even the brand name computers here tend to me low to mid-range. All of the other electronic gear mentioned by Xman are available here, at least in Manila, at countless shops and at competitive prices. There's no need to import cameras, stereo equipment and the like.
:D
GE
CanContrib
05-29-06, 21:32
CanContrib I would like the contact of the person who assisted you in getting your SRRV.
Fred, further to my previous response, I happened to be in Malate today and spoke with my contact about this, specifically for you and also in general. In situations where I can't offhand personally introduce someone, we've arranged that he will respond to a Phils cell# that I might pass to him. After that it's between you and him. This forum has an email (aka "PM") facility so that you can pass yours to me to pass to him, if you like. Matters not for me if you do or don't, since my only interest is to try to both help someone who hasn't yet learned what I've learned and at the same time help the Pinoy BI facilitator (no, not "fixer"!) who's helped me so much over the years.
CanContrib
05-29-06, 21:48
... I probably paid an extra maybe up to P10,000 for that and it was well worth it. ... I'll not quote my total expenditure, since the amount varies with the situation and who you know ...
Lest anyone be confused, I should emphasize that the (about) 10K pesos I paid for his services was just that, for HIS services. That's NOT the total to get it all done, since he has to pay a lot of fees and a lot of people on your behalf. Again the precise amount will vary depending on the applicant's situation and how much groundwork the applicant has himself done (I did most of it myself), so if you ask him to do it all for you from first inquiry to completion, reasonably expect to pay him for all his work for you.
What's the grand total? Again, "depending", between 100,000 & 200,000 pesos. For most people it'll likely be in the middle of that range. Or you can do it yourself for less, if you know exactly what you're doing and don't *permanantly* screw it up for yourself. Well, nothing is "permanent", anything can be fixed at a cost higher than what you might have naively tried to save in an foreign environment. I've learned that in fields where I'm not the professional, it's better to pay someone to do the hard tricky stuff.
I should also mention, that given the large amount I certainly had reservations about handing over all that cash, even with his track record of complete honesty with me over the years and the recommendations that brought me to him in the first place. I also had the able assistance of aking asawa whose suspicious of everything especially of her countrymen, plus the advise of many good local friends. Anyone reading this should always have the same concerns. Don't trust me and don't trust anyone just because you read words here; satisify yourself before handing over BIG CASH. Anywhere to anyone. One little tip - you can do it in installments as work progresses, but again, be very comfortable with who you're dealing with. Not everyone is honest. I just happened to get lucky after having learned to be very careful, the hard way. Don't come back on me or anyone here if you fail to properly read and understand all the words.
Did I mention *CASH*? You don't pay for such with a cheque. Hell, try to pay BIR with a cheque! You want to pay your taxes in the Philippines - even BIR will point you to an ATM. Try writing a cheque for BIR or BID, go ahead, try it. Been there, done that. Learned.
CanContrib
05-29-06, 22:26
Well, the wine for sure, especially if you're not moving to Manila or another large city. Japanese and US condoms are readily available in the larger cities, and I think these are a necessity. My experience with the made-in-Philippines brands is that they're too tight and, more importantly, they have a tendency to break.
GE
Geez! You must be so huge that Pinays take one look and run away. I'm "average" by NA standards and I consistantly get the "you're so BIG!!!" line, since NA "average" IS "big" compared to Asian; my wife laughs hysterically at most Asian "bold movies" which is great for setting the right mood after you've been together for a long time. Compare condoms to T-shirt sizes. That stated, I've never had a local Phils condom break and the 12peso-for-3pack local variety works just fine for me. Are you sure your girl is properly applying it to your member? I do have some imported condoms in my old suitcase but they're never conveniently available for obvious reasons, much handier to just drop a few coins whever you need them.
One observation though, no matter what the condom, they *will* slip off if you're still in there half an hour after you're done. Then it's time for a fishing expedition.
CanContrib
05-29-06, 22:38
You might also want to consider a high end computer. It's tough, even in Manila, to buy the latest stuff
GE
Unless you want to buy excruciatingly bleeding-edge computer components, meaning it won't come out of the factory until the day after tommorrow, I can't think of much new stuff you can't get in uncountable places within the Manila NCR. If it's available anywhere after yesterday you'll find it here, somewhere. Instead, finding older stuff to match up with what you already have is the problem, but that's a problem anywhere.
New stuff? Phils is a lot closer to Asian manufacturers then NA or Europe, di ba?
True if you want it yesterday, you should fly to HongKong or Taiwan or maybe Korea. If you want it *next* week, fly to NA or Europe 2 weeks later and probably pay a bit more. We won't mention that plane tickets aren't exactly free no matter how you slice that.
Example: I needed a Very*big*disk*drive. Last week I told the girl at one place that I have already bought what she said the ONLY importer of such can't get, and I bought it over one month ago at the best rock-bottom price. If it's an Asian manufacturer (and most are) then if it's available anywhere on the planet yesterday, it's available today here. Yes, I had to know where to check and yes I had to do my homework for that particular component, same as I'd have to do anywhere.
Yes, prices can and should be expected to be all over the board. You can easily pay double or you can pay half. Depends on your knowledge and bargaining skills. Once you have raport with your regular suppliers and they know that you *know* more than they do, you can't get screwed. Once I found it, the next issue was price - they had an old price on their pricelist. I told the manager to make a phone call. She knows that I know more than she does. I got it for the *right* price, plus triple their usual in-store replacement warranty, plus a kick-in freebie. Life is good.
Sorry somehow rest of my reply did not show up on this board.. I'm from USA and my aunt who works for a lawyer office is from USA she lives in my old small town in michigan. right now I am living in california, I wish I could live in phili for few years but I don't have a huge savings or good pension, I'm 39 I got years to go if I want to retire and I hope I have good pension for retirement in future, right now i'm working at a dead end job.. I am planning to be in phili by aug 20 I was lucky my job gave me 3 weeks of vacation when I asked for an extra week of vacation, I was lucky I have way too many vacation hours, so if thats a big if everything goes well. I will get a finance visa she will fly to Michigan. I will head back to michigan 3 weeks before she arrives, I had enough of big city lifestyle in California, so I will try to start a new life with her in Michigan.
Fred C Dobbs
05-30-06, 06:47
Thanks for answering CanContrib. I think I will try the advise of my contact at PSBank first.
Dragon Slayer
05-30-06, 17:39
Pals,
Back home. I was surprised to hear one guy, age 39, talking about retirement. I will retire when I am dead. Slowing down a bit with work is one thing. Retiring? Ever see what happens to people who retire? My father became a dull, boring person after he finally gave up his exciting and personally gratifying career.
I used to drop by Our Place, the expat dve bar/hangout in d/t Cebu. I stopped going there even to eat in January 2001. I just could not stand the drunken, obnoxious bunch of worthless guys in there. They would sit and drink for up to 12 hours and talk about absolutely nothing. Of course, most of the did not even score any pussy. It would take effort and this is something they could not afford to expend.
The food in the place was good but the company sucked. No women would venture inside and the air was thick with cigarette smoke to the point where your eyes would hurt. There still are many chinese owned clubs around there where the women get totally nude. If you did not mind being the only westerner in the place with up to 200 filipinos (rough bunch), it was ok.
You can purchase anything over the internet and have it shipped to the Philippines. Cost a bit more but it will arrive. I have gotten into buying direct from the source via te internet. Hong Kong is very near and this is a shipping location for many companies. Buying over the internet tends to allow more time for review and lessens impulse buying.
With hong Kong so close a person can make occasional trips there and into So China for shopping. Shenzhen, Chia is a real source of good quality, low priced electronics. It would also be where you would want to stay while shopping to save on the rediculously high Hong Kong hotel rates.
If a guy is moving to the Philippines, I would consider finding some type of business to own and operate. When each day is just the same as the day before there is not much enjoyment. The internet has opened things up so that business opportunities can be found anywhere.
Dragon Slayer
Cebu Local
05-31-06, 00:20
There was a big ruckus in the building where I live in Makati last night,A girl friend of one of the American guys in the building tried to commit suicide,Basically the guy was throwing her out,So she tried to poison herself by eating a tube of toothpaste,When She didnt die,She started to slash her wrists,But stopped because of the pain,So she climbed on the balcony and threatened to jump.When she was asked why she was going to commit suicide,She said that she was being sent away at night and she had nowhere to SLEEP except the street.A guy then said,You can sleep on my sofa tonight until you can find a place tommorow.OK that was fine with her,She climbed off the ledge and Thats ended it,Great reason to commit suicide,The Filipina mind???????Thank goodness I am into logical pragmatic Chinese
CanContrib
05-31-06, 23:41
There was a big ruckus in the building where I live in Makati last night,A girl friend of one of the American guys in the building tried to commit suicide,Basically the guy was throwing her out,So she tried to poison herself by eating a tube of toothpaste,When She didnt die,She started to slash her wrists,But stopped because of the pain,So she climbed on the balcony and threatened to jump.When she was asked why she was going to commit suicide,She said that she was being sent away at night and she had nowhere to SLEEP except the street.A guy then said,You can sleep on my sofa tonight until you can find a place tommorow.OK that was fine with her,She climbed off the ledge and Thats ended it,Great reason to commit suicide,The Filipina mind???????Thank goodness I am into logical pragmatic Chinese
Yes, some of them can get very emotional which is a terrible combination with desperation. We don't know the background of this girl (here) but perhaps she really did feel that she had nowhere to turn. Your post suggests it wasn't just a ploy to keep the bf, since slashing wrists is going way far into the desperation trip. A girl that thinks that she can poison herself with a tube of what she brushes her teeth with is liklely not likely a college grad, hence the desperation. I'm happy to hear it all worked out ok.
I do have to comment that the American dude could have picked a better time to show her the door than the middle of the night, like waiting a few hours until dawn. Then again, we don't know his reason.
Yes indeed there are a LOT of girls who have no place to sleep if they have no money for a flophouse and nothing left to pawn. Once their cellfone is already pawned (their last resort) where are they going to go if their family isn't near enough to get back to?
This reminds me of one occasion a few years ago. A sometimes-gf txts me if I'm home alone. I was and txt'd her back. She asked if she could come over and bring a "friend" that had no place to sleep. After having her assure me her friend would be no problem I said "ok", and they were at my condo (at the time) in 15 minutes. I slept in the middle. My good friend didn't mind at all when her friend wanted to show her gratitude for a place to sleep. I often miss having that condo!
Cebu Local
06-01-06, 00:28
Actually Another American in the building took her in,His Comments Looks 6-7 BBBJ 7-8,Bed Skills 7-8,GFE 9 Cost Sleeps on his sofa and food.He will allow her to stay up to a week until she finds a place to stay,In the meantime,She is doing his laundry and Fucking him and Blowing him as much as He wants,He told me last night,He was watching TV drinking a Beer while she blew him twice,Dang I should have offered to be a good samaritan.Being nice sometimes has its rewards
Actually Another American in the building took her in,His Comments Looks 6-7 BBBJ 7-8,Bed Skills 7-8,GFE 9 Cost Sleeps on his sofa and food.He will allow her to stay up to a week until she finds a place to stay,In the meantime,She is doing his laundry and Fucking him and Blowing him as much as He wants,He told me last night,He was watching TV drinking a Beer while she blew him twice,Dang I should have offered to be a good samaritan.Being nice sometimes has its rewards
Receive BJ's that is! :)
Guinness
Fastpiston
06-01-06, 03:17
Yes, some of them can get very emotional which is a terrible combination with desperation. We don't know the background of this girl (here) but perhaps she really did feel that she had nowhere to turn. Your post suggests it wasn't just a ploy to keep the bf, since slashing wrists is going way far into the desperation trip. A girl that thinks that she can poison herself with a tube of what she brushes her teeth with is liklely not likely a college grad, hence the desperation. I'm happy to hear it all worked out ok.
I do have to comment that the American dude could have picked a better time to show her the door than the middle of the night, like waiting a few hours until dawn. Then again, we don't know his reason.
Yes indeed there are a LOT of girls who have no place to sleep if they have no money for a flophouse and nothing left to pawn. Once their cellfone is already pawned (their last resort) where are they going to go if their family isn't near enough to get back to?
This reminds me of one occasion a few years ago. A sometimes-gf txts me if I'm home alone. I was and txt'd her back. She asked if she could come over and bring a "friend" that had no place to sleep. After having her assure me her friend would be no problem I said "ok", and they were at my condo (at the time) in 15 minutes. I slept in the middle. My good friend didn't mind at all when her friend wanted to show her gratitude for a place to sleep. I often miss having that condo!
This shows that anyone staying medium / long term should rent a nice condo and let the non-bar girls out there know that you have a nice place. In Phils. the bush telegraph is efficient. Play your cards perfectly, you can set up a harem. Girls save on rent, you get all for free! Be really nice and buy then Jollybee treats if they perform to standard. Otherwise, no Jollybee!
Cebu Local
06-01-06, 17:03
Just make sure your place is located somewhere like Makati or Malate and not in the the boonies.My place in Manila has several bedrooms,So I can have several houseguests at the same time.Guiness that incident happened just off Burgos,You cannot imagine the number of Burgos girls who would like to sleep somewhere nice.You can get them for board and food.
If you choose to ship goods to the PI, beware of customs. I shipped 1000 lbs last year (TV, computer and household items) and I paid $200 for import taxes.
What made me mad is that the shipper showed up at my house and I never got to talk to the customs official. Everything was used, and they never took that in to account.
When I shipped door to door, I never had to pay any taxes. My wife said that taxes are included in the price. (I don't know)
I got to keep the shipping containers and my wife got two of these made for 1000P, so there was something good out of it...lol
Robb
Guinness that incident happened just off Burgos,You cannot imagine the number of Burgos girls who would like to sleep somewhere nice.You can get them for board and food.
When you say "Burgos girls", are you talking about the Burgos bargirls or the freelancers hanging out on the streets? Both?
Maybe tonight, instead of buying ladies drinks and paying a barfine, I'll just ask the girl if she would like to become my sex slave for the night and in return I'll buy her breakfast at the North Park Cafe! :) It's worth a shot...
See you soon,
Guinness
Bill Buxton
06-02-06, 02:45
guys here have asked about the differences between p.i. gals and american.the gals are about the same depending where they come from. the normal american gal likes nice things always showing the new things she got at the store or the new car she drives.the p.i. gals are just the same they will want everyone to see they have a foreign boyfrend which means she has a "cash cow" so to speek.the cell phone and what she has on for dress speaks louder than a blank check here.it's all smoke and mirrors and the only one that knows the truth is the little honeyko next to you.any gal that comes from nothing is bound to like a change in style if she has the money to change.
this means that if you get a wife from the hills in america that works hard,you give her a better life watch out.most not all will be nose in the air if you do not control the attitude and spending.same with the gals here, they come from a poor family and then see how fast they want to spend your jack.you can not make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.you must remember if the gal marries a guy from this country she will love him rich or poor.if the little jewel gets a foreign guy she will 'say" she loves you and will spend your money faster than shit through a goose.the reason is unknown?many gals here will live with a poor guy with nothing from this country,but the game starts with the foreigner.it's a double standard,they see us as security for the whole clan.these gals are taught that above all else security first, then love.the show starts when you go meet the family and then the frends.the other gals will be jealous of what she has found,foreign skinn.the poor guy that has nothing will never have to prove anything, but not true with us.
we will have to be the ones that set the town standard with the whole family.we are the ones that must give a better life to the "relathieves".this is a handed down tradition that all or most families go by here.they want there little princess that you rescued from the gutter to be taken care of in grand fashion also no scraps for mom,dad,sister,brouther,grand ma,ect.relathieves is a term brought to my attention and i think it's true to a point.
you must not be to rough to fast when bringing the curtain down on the family.the little jewel might just move you out first before getting in the way of easy street for the rest.in my opinion the family is made lazy if you give to much.they drink party and spend money like water.and when its gone they don't care they just wait for the next care package from overseas.heard it seen it many times, some guys have bought banka boats, jipneys,houses,and what ever else the relathieves want or think they need.and they will all want a sorry sorry store, even if ther is 8 more in a 2 block radious.even if you are the poorest guy in town in america you are a wealthy foreigner in the eyes of the "lbfm"s"
if you plan to get along with your futere mrs, get the money deal down to a science over there.i will asure you you will have a better transition with your new found love if the ground rules are already in place.
play safe, b.b...
Cebu Local
06-03-06, 03:41
When you say "Burgos girls", are you talking about the Burgos bargirls or the freelancers hanging out on the streets? Both?
Maybe tonight, instead of buying ladies drinks and paying a barfine, I'll just ask the girl if she would like to become my sex slave for the night and in return I'll buy her breakfast at the North Park Cafe! :) It's worth a shot...
See you soon,
GuinnessI was referring to off duty bargirls and not on duty free lancers,Basically Both,I basically pick up in the 88 Internet Cafe during the morning and Afternoon,The 7-11 beside it at early morning and the Mini stop beside Matrix,But remember its timing,I picked up a Burgos girl yesterday at 5 Am at 7-11,Rather then go home to Paranaque,She took my offer of crashing at my place,Breakfast at Tapa King and quick romp before heading off for the day.Remember She was tired and facing a 150 peso cab ride and a 45 minute ride home to a cramped room.I invited her to have breakfast,then asked her If she was sleepy,which she was,So I let her sleep in a spare bedroom I reserve for "company"aka nothing to steal inside,then did her before she left.During the day invite them for a meal say at Pizza Hut,then ask them If they want to take a siesta in your place....Happy Hunting
Bill Buxton
06-03-06, 12:55
i returned back from the p.i. 8 weeks ago and have bought tickets for round 2 in july for a shorter time 2-3 months.the events that have happened are this.i found a girl that was married to an american and lived on the west coast for 11 years with him.he was much older than her,over 30 years.he married her in her 20.s and she was divorced 9 months ago and returned to the pi with him in december.she has money in the bank owns a house in a busy beach area, 3 million p worth of house not bad for a poor provence gal.
i met her with her ex in january and stayed with her until we came back to the states in the last week of april.after getting here i found that things were not the same and how i felt about her was not the same as it was there.she was like a child,she needed constant care and i knew this would happen and was not shore how much.after a week of being home i had the pressure back on me, the business, the bills, the regular american presure so to speek of life in general.thats ok but the new added baggage was not figured into the works on my part.i was trying to get up to speed after being gone 6 months and was constantly thinking if she was happy.this was driving me crazy! i work from home but would feel guilty if i had to go out.of course she went with me and we had fun but she was like a fish outof water so to speek.out ages are only 7 years apart and she is drop dead beautiful.she never had a child and is in her mid thirty's is a good cook and great person but the feelings are different upon returning back home.
we both decided that she should fly over to where she spent the past 11 years when she was married. she went to san diego and spent 4 weeks there.she came back 2 weeks ago and i now now she is not gonna make any wedding plans here.i am the one that does not want what i at one time wished for.you go there and fall in love 5-6 times a day and find a woman that has her own money and house, but the culture difference is still there.
the deal is over she left friday and yes we will always be friends but thats all,and my input on life there was seen through her eyes also.and i have expressed it to you guys here, but i also had some great schooling there also.like the you can take the girl from the bar but not the bar from the girl line.this person never worked in a bar and never wants to live in her own country again rich or poor.
be careful what you wish for,it's not easy and you will have guilt and many other feelings about the gal if you have to let her stay alone at all.i wanted a better life for her and still do but the investment of time it takes to see them through the new transition is huge.you might say why was it new to her? she has ben here before, not on this coast and was sheltered by an old man that was i am sure worried about her finding a new guy.think long and hard before you get the ring out and get down on one knee.the differences are huge and you must remember you had time there but when you get back home the playing field is different.
b.b.
CanContrib
06-05-06, 00:25
I was referring to off duty bargirls and not on duty free lancers,Basically Both,I basically pick up in the 88 Internet Cafe during the morning and Afternoon,The 7-11 beside it at early morning and the Mini stop beside Matrix,But remember its timing,I picked up a Burgos girl yesterday at 5 Am at 7-11,Rather then go home to Paranaque,She took my offer of crashing at my place,Breakfast at Tapa King and quick romp before heading off for the day.Remember She was tired and facing a 150 peso cab ride and a 45 minute ride home to a cramped room.I invited her to have breakfast,then asked her If she was sleepy,which she was,So I let her sleep in a spare bedroom I reserve for "company"aka nothing to steal inside,then did her before she left.During the day invite them for a meal say at Pizza Hut,then ask them If they want to take a siesta in your place....Happy Hunting
Precisely Right On. Cebu Local told you the facts, exactly as I know them to be true by experience and it doesn't matter if if's Makati, Malate, or anywhere girls go looking for a "better life" or just life until they wake up safe somewhere. Nothing more to add in context. Pay attention!
CanContrib
06-05-06, 00:38
I YOU CAN TAKE THE GIRL FROM THE BAR BUT NOT THE BAR FROM THE GIRL line.This person never worked in a bar and never wants to live in her own country again rich or poor.
Yes, snipped out of context, but still VERY TRUE. Until you've been intimate with a Pinay (and I *don't* mean sex, which one must understand is just a normal part of life to most Pinays), you can't begin to understand how Pinays think and feel. Even after many years it will surface. It's seemingly culturally ingrained and even if you can smooth the rough edges and provide that "better life", they think the grass is always greener on the other side, unless forced to cut that green grass on their own for a lifetime and their kids lifetime. Maybe not even then, and it doesn't matter to most of us what 2 or 3 generations down the road might feel.
Right now I know more Pinays in process (or so they hope) to go abroad than might want to make a life at home, and some of them I know very intmately (see above).
Bill Buxton
06-05-06, 17:36
After calling and talking to my GF on the phone who is in the province she still wants to leave.I had a straight up conversation with her about the high cost of living in my country.And told her that I would not send thousands of peso's to her family because we needed it to have a good comfortable life here.She said it was ok with her if we send a small amount to help the "relathieves".Thats the problem everyone of us will face when we are serious about getting a gal to your country.Remember they have know way of knowing what things cost because they have never left the P.I. for mor than a vacation in another asian country.Those are the lucky one's.
B.B.
For those of you considering taking a Filipina bride I would suggest you go to this site and read. At the bottom of the page are many links to other enlightening sites.
Keep in mind this site is simply one persons opinion and the focus is on taking a lady to the USA but some good words of wisdom for you.
http://filipinawives.com/TransitioningFilipina.htm
ES
Bill Buxton
06-06-06, 13:23
For those of you considering taking a Filipina bride I would suggest you go to this site and read. At the bottom of the page are many links to other enlightening sites.
Keep in mind this site is simply one persons opinion and the focus is on taking a lady to the USA but some good words of wisdom for you.
http://filipinawives.com/TransitioningFilipina.htm
ESI think that the info atthis link is good general advise.I have a frend thats arrived back in the states with his new wife.He told me via a telephone call that his wife finds the people here to be friendly,and the men more respectful twords here than in her country.'Because people know they have to act like human people in there own country not Assholes like some do in the P.I.".
B.B.
What do the girls expect for wedding rings? I do not want to spend thousands on a ring again. Would they like a traditional type ring set but with a lesser stone than a diamond or maybe even a synthetic diamond? What did some of you guys do?
For those of you considering taking a Filipina bride I would suggest you go to this site and read. At the bottom of the page are many links to other enlightening sites.ES
Thanks Eaglestar,
Just returned from a wife hunting trip and that site will prove to be invaluable no doubt.
Excelsior!
Bill Buxton
06-06-06, 17:57
you can first barter,talk down the prices in most any store there.go to china town in manila and get some ideas there but do not pay the price they want i hammer them down on every trip.
you can get a traditional band there for 2-4 thousand p.you can spend as much as you want.you can save the big stuff for your own country when and if you bring her.the gold thing is a dog show so to speek.you can dress her in gold and jewels and also be simple and elegant.any gal i ever met there would like to be like mr.t if she could hold the stuff up.
play safe. b.b...
Cebu Local
06-06-06, 23:42
I speak Tagalog and Cebuano and have lived in the PI for the last 14 years.But I will never marry a Filipina.Not because they are not sweet or loving,But they have no concept of Savings or long term planning.Long term planning is what party to go to on Saturday??Savings???An alien concept to most of them.Girl friend or Mistress matieral defenitely,Wife matieral Pass.If you guys could only hear them talking Girls talk and understand Tagalog,Most of you would cringe.Most favorite topic Milking the old goat for cash.
CanContrib
06-07-06, 01:00
After calling and talking to my GF on the phone who is in the province she still wants to leave.I had a straight up conversation with her about the high cost of living in my country.And told her that I would not send thousands of peso's to her family because we needed it to have a good comfortable life here.She said it was ok with her if we send a small amount to help the "relathieves".Thats the problem everyone of us will face when we are serious about getting a gal to your country.Remember they have know way of knowing what things cost because they have never left the P.I. for mor than a vacation in another asian country.Those are the lucky one's.
B.B.
If she's willing and content to live and grow old with you in the Philippines (and yes that means with you providing for her family *here*), then you *may* have a winner. If her only desire is to use you to get to the "west", well, what would that tell you?
CanContrib
06-07-06, 01:11
What do the girls expect for wedding rings? I do not want to spend thousands on a ring again. Would they like a traditional type ring set but with a lesser stone than a diamond or maybe even a synthetic diamond? What did some of you guys do?
Probably in exess of 95% would be much happier with a huge wad of money or an fancy expensive new cellfone, unless your wedding ring comes with an Immigration visa to a western country.
The other (likely realistically less than 5%) will be happy with a twist-tie on their ring-finger as long as you really love them *AND* can somehow manage to keep them in love with YOU for a lifetime. Yes Pinays fall in love easily, but just easily they can and mostly *will* fall "out-of-love", especially if your money dries up or you don't keep them ecstatically happy, which in both cases isn't all that easy once you're well into a relationship.
Someday I'll buy aking asawa a real wedding ring. For now investing in our next new business seems to be a LOT more important to her. Then again, I have that small fraction of less than 1% that often thinks beyond how to spend money on tommorrow's family party (though she wants to do that too if we can afford it).
CanContrib
06-07-06, 01:14
I speak Tagalog and Cebuano and have lived in the PI for the last 14 years.But I will never marry a Filipina.Not because they are not sweet or loving,But they have no concept of Savings or long term planning.Long term planning is what party to go to on Saturday??Savings???An alien concept to most of them.Girl friend or Mistress matieral defenitely,Wife matieral Pass.If you guys could only hear them talking Girls talk and understand Tagalog,Most of you would cringe.Most favorite topic Milking the old goat for cash.
There are a very few who (mostly) think beyond "bukas na lang", and even they are human as we all are and want the occasional "blow-out" just to relieve daily stress from working hard towards the future. I'm sure someday you'll be lucky to find one of those very few. unless of course you're as content as you seem to be as things are for you - with good reaason. Of course if you can't avoid the "right one" then you'll have the same tough time getting out to have fun that I do. :-)
Cebu Local
06-07-06, 01:49
There are a very few who (mostly) think beyond "bukas na lang", and even they are human as we all are and want the occasional "blow-out" just to relieve daily stress from working hard towards the future. I'm sure someday you'll be lucky to find one of those very few. unless of course you're as content as you seem to be as things are for you - with good reaason. Of course if you can't avoid the "right one" then you'll have the same tough time getting out to have fun that I do. :-)If you look in the China boards,Especially the Shanghai section,You will find out I have gone with a Chinese and they are planning a Bachelor party later this year.She s a Shanghainese Chinese who is a manager in a large business.She lived 5 years in Canada studying at the University of British Columbia and the Dad is a Middle level Party Official.Age is 28 and I am 38.So as you can see there are points of compatibility and being Chinese She saves and is very business minded even though Filipinas are more fun.But each guy to his own tastes.I wanted somebody I could trust to help run my business and somehow letting a Filipina help run a fairly medium sized business kinda is like letting a 5 year old drive
CanContrib
06-09-06, 00:06
... So as you can see there are points of compatibility and being Chinese She saves and is very business minded even though Filipinas are more fun.But each guy to his own tastes.I wanted somebody I could trust to help run my business and somehow letting a Filipina help run a fairly medium sized business kinda is like letting a 5 year old drive
Again, that all depends on your Pinay. She and I don't always agree but while she likes to plan for a party as much as anyone, she's as likely to defer the expense towards instead enhancing our business needs, usually suggesting that we don't spend on food and drink so that we can instead invest those dollars and pesos for our future instead of just burning then over the weekend.
Yes, Chinese have a reputation of being "koriput". So do I, but I temper that with proper local "correctness" which so far seems to be appropriate.
Females everywhere I've ever been long enough to be intimate have this burning desire to use the same finite set of money multiple times, though the bank has a problem with that. That's not a Pinay situation, that's a *FEMALE* thing. Of course, it's a no-win situation, if we don't invest in the party *and* don't invest in the biz at the same time, I lose. She admits math isn't her strong point, which combined with FEMALE anywhere emotionalism does cause some friction though still certainly better than with any NorthAmerican female. At least aking Pinay asawa sees both sides and has the capacity and ingrained motivation to to be rational when it really counts. She's the one who built our businesses here for us, not me, and her management capacity for such isn't discountable. She knows what she's doing here and I know to trust to that. I just help and quietly advise and do my part to make it all work for us.
My greatest problem is in trying to get a few hours "out" given her obsession with her "responsibility" to protect her greatest asset, her foreigner asawa. Yeah, she doesn't really need me, she was doing quite fine before she met me. But life *could* otherwise be worse than it is now. Ok so we *do* make a good team, foreigner & Pinay, but I really do need to get out more for fun there's no time for anymore at home.
Again, that all depends on your Pinay. She and I don't always agree but while she likes to plan for a party as much as anyone, she's as likely to defer the expense towards instead enhancing our business needs, usually suggesting that we don't spend on food and drink so that we can instead invest those dollars and pesos for our future instead of just burning then over the weekend.
Yes, Chinese have a reputation of being "koriput". So do I, but I temper that with proper local "correctness" which so far seems to be appropriate.
Females everywhere I've ever been long enough to be intimate have this burning desire to use the same finite set of money multiple times, though the bank has a problem with that. That's not a Pinay situation, that's a *FEMALE* thing. Of course, it's a no-win situation, if we don't invest in the party *and* don't invest in the biz at the same time, I lose. She admits math isn't her strong point, which combined with FEMALE anywhere emotionalism does cause some friction though still certainly better than with any NorthAmerican female. At least aking Pinay asawa sees both sides and has the capacity and ingrained motivation to to be rational when it really counts. She's the one who built our businesses here for us, not me, and her management capacity for such isn't discountable. She knows what she's doing here and I know to trust to that. I just help and quietly advise and do my part to make it all work for us.
My greatest problem is in trying to get a few hours "out" given her obsession with her "responsibility" to protect her greatest asset, her foreigner asawa. Yeah, she doesn't really need me, she was doing quite fine before she met me. But life *could* otherwise be worse than it is now. Ok so we *do* make a good team, foreigner & Pinay, but I really do need to get out more for fun there's no time for anymore at home.
Have to agree with Cebu Local et al who state that chinese are the best when it comes to business, I kinda have to say this as my filipina is 3/4 chinese but they have a head for business like nothing else, Yes they are Koriput in many ways, however, they know how to get the best bargain and they will. As far as doing business with the Chinese, I'd take them any day over a Filipino, no offense to the pinoy, but if you do business with a Chinese expect a HARD bargain ...BUT he/she will keep the bargain once made as a matter of face. Have her run the business, you'll be in the money in no time, just be prepared to put uop with a lot of superstitious nonsense like feng shui and making sure your entrance faces east or whatever.
Hello,
Does anyone else find it hard to chat to filipinas?
Even when she initiates contact it soon feels like I am doing an interview. I ask questions and she will reply with just yes, no, lol or a smiley. After I run out of the standard questions I hit a wall. I try to introduce all sorts of topics, but they never seem to pick up on them. Language has never seemed to be a problem, they seem to have good english skills. Sometimes the Aussie sense of humour doesnt go down to well, but too late to change that.
Anyway is it just me or what?
Steve
Bill Buxton
06-24-06, 15:51
This is the general thing I also ran into most of the time they say yes and no at times when it should be the oposit one.I think it's best to ask them if they understand what you said if they give you a yes when the should be saying no.
B.B...
Vision Guy
06-24-06, 16:20
I chatted a few times to them. I sort of descovered when they give short answers, they are more likely chating to many other guys besides me. For example I use Mirc to chat. And I can click on a girls name and see that most of the time she is in 6 or 7 chat rooms and god knows how many privet chats.
So I see what you are saying, but I think more than likely, she is chatting to so many other guys at the same time, she does not have time to give you long answers cause she has to respond to the other guys.
Bill Buxton
06-24-06, 23:22
Most have little cash to pay for the pc and will chat with many partners at a time more bang for the buck...VG was right...
Hello,
Yeah the multipule chat thing. I think you get a feel for when thats going on. They usually take ages to come back with the short answer. Even when they are on webcam and I am pretty sure that they are only chatting to me or possibly just a couple of guys, I still get this lack of interest feeling. If they're not interested thats cool, but why continue to contact me?
There is one gal who has had me on her list for like 18 months. She is very attractive so I would think that she has interest from plenty of guys. She will drop in every now an then ask to see my cam or chit chat about the weather then basically go to the yes, no, oic, lol routine.
I thought that it might be a social cultural thing. You know the old "the man should take the lead" type thing.
Steve
What get's them focused is when you give a date as to when you will be meeting them. Then if they get excited and seem eager you know you have a shot for good times. Some you can touch more easily then others before you meet them, others require in the flesh to warm them to you. And some are just a complete waste of time. It's a crap shoot but the more you play the better you get at it.
In addition, you can if you have at least 1 week in PI, meet girls at the chat cafes in whatever city your in. This is very immediate and the girls like the fact that your there and can meet them soon. I always use Mirc in the city I am in -- mainly Cebu and Dumaguete. So don't let the multiple chatters discourage you....these girls are taking a shotgun approach when your far but when your on their turf there going to focus on you -- at least while your banging them. These girls love to fuck so don't listen to any goody two shoes stories from them.
Poppyseed, Visions guy, and others,
Some really interesting points. You guys don't have many posts, but you obviously have a lot of potential.
Sorry for the inconvenience, but I'll add more to this at the thread "internte escorts". As for "internet escorts", I recently sent this post to ISG mgmt.
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In the Philippines section, could we please rename "internet escorts" to something else. For a lot of people, "escort" means calling up an escort service, but what was intended was a thread for those of us trying to pick up women through "online pen pal sites".
Some suggested titles
Online pen pal sites
Internet gals
Internet women
Online seduction
pen pals and chat rooms
CanContrib
06-26-06, 22:04
Have to agree with Cebu Local et al who state that chinese are the best when it comes to business, I kinda have to say this as my filipina is 3/4 chinese but they have a head for business like nothing else, Yes they are Koriput in many ways, however, they know how to get the best bargain and they will. As far as doing business with the Chinese, I'd take them any day over a Filipino, no offense to the pinoy, but if you do business with a Chinese expect a HARD bargain ...BUT he/she will keep the bargain once made as a matter of face. Have her run the business, you'll be in the money in no time, just be prepared to put uop with a lot of superstitious nonsense like feng shui and making sure your entrance faces east or whatever.
Aking asawa Pinoy does very very well bargaining with Chinese in Quiapo and Divisoria. She was good before we met, having learned a lot during her years spent working in China, and she's picked up a bit from me since. Then again, she's not the "average Pinay" and she has absolutely no Chinese blood in her,. If I wasn't aware of such rare exceptions I'd tend to agree with your and Cebu's comments, but there *are* exceptions.
Aking asawa Pinoy does very very well bargaining with Chinese in Quiapo and Divisoria. She was good before we met, having learned a lot during her years spent working in China, and she's picked up a bit from me since. Then again, she's not the "average Pinay" and she has absolutely no Chinese blood in her,. If I wasn't aware of such rare exceptions I'd tend to agree with your and Cebu's comments, but there *are* exceptions.
Your Asawa is probably a sharp as a tack when it comes to getting bargain's kind of lady. I noticed that most Filipina are VERY good at stretching a peso, they have to learn how to bargain given their limited income, its something I think they learn very early. Give a filipina P100 and send her to the market and she'll come back with enough food or whatever to feed a family for two days. Send an Idiot like myself there and I come back with a couple of pieces of rotten fruit.
However, my comments were more intended for the BIG business end of things like negotiating contracts etc between companies. Chinese are the movers and shakers, they also control the money, into money lending etc and the "underground" banking/loan system that permeates this society. Beleive me without it very little would get done big business wise.
Spamhog
Steve Naive
06-27-06, 20:53
I wrote earlier (in KL 2006 thread) about going to Beach Club to find young love on Tuesday, from the perspective of logistics. The Filipina I met is the subject of this article.
Steve is 50+, white, chubby, balding, neither ugly nor God's gift to women. With a lifetime of loving women, he cannot stop this habit with some of the ladies he hires.
I was looking around Beach Club in KL (where there are a lot of Filipinas and occasionally others) as I redeemed my drink ticket for a beer. A loud-ish band and an abundance of ladies ranging 4-7. Few customers in sight.
From behind me I heard a shy "hello!" and turned to be greeted with a hesitant smile. With my beer in hand, we began chatting. She is a 25yo slim Filipina, smallish but nice breasts, body that appeals to me, petite, face that looks nice when she smiles, a 6 overall. Not very Chinese-looking compared to many Filipinas, plenty of Spanish looks, and a good dash of the Malay/Indo or perhaps Indian stock (guessing). But there's something about Maria (not really her name). Not beautiful, but she appeals to me; it is personality and chemistry. She wants a beer and I oblige. Too loud, we go out to the courtyard to get to know each other a bit verbally.
She seems to like me. At some point she blurts out that I am her first... she can't think of the word or doesn't want to say it. Her first paying customer. If I believe her story, she literally arrived yesterday, and started at the bar tonight, and I'm the first one to talk to her. She said she never did this work in Manila... and only one boyfriend in her life.
And I really like her. I am looking at her a lot and smiling, and she asks why, she is not used to this attention.
They all have a story, of course. I'm jaded enough to know that, but naive enough to believe that the story is often true. She came to KL, being promised a job as a sales girl in a shop. She wants to help support her struggling family, and she just broke things off with her BF of five years, but does not want to talk about him. I learn later that he was 44, married, and he did something that trampled their relationship. He was her one and only lover.
Now she's more than ready to start a new life, and this opportunity arises. She jumps, without really studying the terms or understanding the implications. They pay for her airfare, initial lodging, pocket cash, SIMM, probably other basic requirements, in exchange for RM7000 to be repaid. On arrival, it turns out instead that she needs to work as bar girl for a little while, and then they will help her find the shop job. Right.
Things are working out, I pop the question and negotiation begins. Amazingly, she has no idea how much she costs, but fortunately her Overseer, an 30-ish Filipina, conveniently appears at just the moment that money needs to be discussed. 200RM for one hour, 500RM for one night, firm. My usual counter is to offer less (like RM150), and offer a suitable tip (like the rest) if she pleases me with the service. But since I'm negotiating with Overseer, not my lady, it's hard, and I decide to spring for the one hour, and work out a longer stay with my lady somehow if the first hour works.
During this conversation I learn that these ladies typically have a 30-day visa, and at the end they spend 8 hours each way on the bus to the Thai border. Overseer just got back from such a trip herself. No doubt Overseer has been through a similar story herself, some months ago, and now finds herself working for The Man or whoever is behind this scheme.
In the taxi, I catch a shudder. What's up? Nervous, she says. Scared, I see. Almost ready to cry. Good Catholic girl, sacrificing her values in a way that she is not comfortable with but feels stuck with no way out. I'm feeling compassionate, because this is very real, or else she's a fine actress. I tell her I'm a nice guy and will treat her well, but if she has changed her mind I will pay her taxi back to the club. No, she is comfortable with me, if not the situation, so we go to my room.
It hits me how clueless she is. She does not know the value of 1RM in terms of PHP, and she does not know her price on the open market. I explain the latter to her; how odd to be explaining the system to a WG, instead of the other way around. I open a currency exchange calculator on the Web to teach her about the value of money. So how much is RM 7000 then, she asks, and her eyes well up when she sees it is over 100k PHP; finally she gets it. Perhaps she had assumed that RM and PHP were nearly equal. I tell her she will have to see many men to pay off her debt, and tell her I'm sorry, but I think she's been taken advantage of by dishonest people. She realizes it will be a long time before there is money to send home.
Meanwhile Steve is still seriously horny, while dealing with his own feelings about this emotional display and her situation. I have been supportive, and held her when she was upset, and now she's ready to move on.
Somehow the subject of condoms comes up. She not only doesn't have any (I do), but has never used one or seeon one before, and she was going to f*ck me without one, the only way she has ever done it. I'm shocked. I'm not about to do it without one, for my sake as well as hers, and I teach her how to put one on me. Doesn't she care about pregnancy, disease, AIDS? The rhythm method answers the first, and her boyfriend convincing her that he is too old to make her pregnant. That's rich! The other two are similarly buried in ignorance or denial. I explain the risks, and urge her to get equipped and protect herself. I know, some of you, dear readers, are rolling your eyes or cursing me.
Is it possible that Steve has found a lady who is even more Naive than he himself? It sure looks that way, but Steve knows he is Naive, so he still has doubts. The feelings are all so real, though, that's what really hit me about this.
So it's to the showers. You first, she says, but then agrees to bathe together (which I enjoy a lot, and of course it is easier to avoid theft).
Some kissing and cuddling before the shower, sincere - I love it. As she removes her underwear, "Oh no," she says, "cannot make love!" It seems she has her period, asks what is the date? Two days early, I guess she expects her body to run like a German train schedule. I can't believe this new turn of events. Now what? Could she really not know? I have never had a WG have her period, so somehow they seem to know when not to work.
We towel off, I'm wondering where this goes next. Can you use mouth/hands? Yes. So to the bed. She is willing but not very skilled. Less practiced with "manual stick" than "automatic transmission," and the vehicle lurches a bit. Driver's Ed is called for.
It is only her first day of the period, and I don't find blood on my fingers, so I ask if we can do it anyway. She agrees. Enthusiastic partner, eager to please, frisky and frenzied. Totally GFE in all the good and the bad ways, I think, a bit more than I might have hoped for. A few streaks on the cautionary towel prove she was not lying about having the period, but of course she could have known all along.
Now I'm satisified, and it's been two hours since she arrived. I offer her the alternative of staying with me rather than going to her boarding house, which she hopes to find using an address on a tiny scrap of damp paper. She wants to stay until 3AM, because Overseer has SMSed her and wants her home by then, but she wants to be cuddled for awhile. I put her payment in her purse, making sure she sees the four bills, she nods and smiles a little ruefully.
I'm wondering: what happens at 3AM? All of this is so unbelievable, and I have not ruled out a con. Will there be a muscle man waiting to abduct me as I let her out the door? Did she notice the room number, I try to recall? I think of various solutions to my dilemma, but we both cruise off to sleep. She is really sweet to hold, and holds me like a true love; she sure knows how to cuddle. Steve thinks sometimes he is looking for love in all the wrong places, but his needs are for more than for what's between his legs, which has always been a problem for him in this game, but then some effective solutions have been found, too.
What happens at 3AM is this: nothing, as we're both still asleep. She stirs at about 3:30AM, says she must go. As she's getting ready to go, I check and confirm that my money, wallet, passport, computer, etc are all untouched. I offer her a tip for taxi, condoms, etc and she looks at me with surprise: but you already paid me! She's wising up, though, and hides the tip in her bra so that Overseer does not find it. She finally understands that they are not going to look after her best interests, so she'll have to start doing that for herself.
I examine the hallway, nothing. She wants me to escort her out to the taxi, no problem, I dress. She asks me to call before I leave town, I agree. And after a farewell like new lovers, the taxi takes her away. Sigh.
All in all she pulled on my heartstrings more effectively than she pulled on the other parts. I know that is a dangerous thing in this game. I still marvel that she could be so naive herself, challenging my own supremecy at naivete. Some of you are still rolling your eyes or rolling on the floor in hysterics (but think about the enymology of "hysterics"), and that's fine.
Some day maybe Steve Naive will be more jaded and will change his name, but not today. Steve feels touched by this naive spirit.
Do you believe her story? Is it yet another set of lies? If so, it was the con without a sting, as she never asked for or took more than we agreed on. It sure seemed real to me. Then again, Filipinas are clever, and I have been chumped before. Your opinions are solicited - PM and I will summarize, or reply here, as you choose.
Bill Buxton
06-27-06, 22:52
I wrote earlier (in KL 2006 thread) about going to Beach Club to find young love on Tuesday, from the perspective of logistics. The Filipina I met is the subject of this article.
Steve is 53, white, chubby, balding, neither ugly nor God's gift to women. With a lifetime of loving women, he cannot stop this habit with some of the ladies he hires.
I was looking around Beach Club in KL (where there are a lot of Filipinas and occasionally others) as I redeemed my drink ticket for a beer. A loud-ish band and an abundance of ladies ranging 4-7. Few customers in sight.
From behind me I heard a shy "hello!" and turned to be greeted with a hesitant smile. With my beer in hand, we began chatting. She is a 25yo slim Filipina, smallish but nice breasts, body that appeals to me, petite, face that looks nice when she smiles, a 6 overall. Not very Chinese-looking compared to many Filipinas, plenty of Spanish looks, and a good dash of the Malay/Indo or perhaps Indian stock (guessing). But there's something about Maria (not really her name). Not beautiful, but she appeals to me; it is personality and chemistry. She wants a beer and I oblige. Too loud, we go out to the courtyard to get to know each other a bit verbally.
She seems to like me. At some point she blurts out that I am her first... she can't think of the word or doesn't want to say it. Her first paying customer. If I believe her story, she literally arrived yesterday, and started at the bar tonight, and I'm the first one to talk to her. She said she never did this work in Manila... and only one boyfriend in her life.
And I really like her. I am looking at her a lot and smiling, and she asks why, she is not used to this attention.
They all have a story, of course. I'm jaded enough to know that, but naive enough to believe that the story is often true. She came to KL, being promised a job as a sales girl in a shop. She wants to help support her struggling family, and she just broke things off with her BF of five years, but does not want to talk about him. I learn later that he was 44, married, and he did something that trampled their relationship. He was her one and only lover.
Now she's more than ready to start a new life, and this opportunity arises. She jumps, without really studying the terms or understanding the implications. They pay for her airfare, initial lodging, pocket cash, SIMM, probably other basic requirements, in exchange for RM7000 to be repaid. On arrival, it turns out instead that she needs to work as bar girl for a little while, and then they will help her find the shop job. Right.
Things are working out, I pop the question and negotiation begins. Amazingly, she has no idea how much she costs, but fortunately her Overseer, an 30-ish Filipina, conveniently appears at just the moment that money needs to be discussed. 200RM for one hour, 500RM for one night, firm. My usual counter is to offer less (like RM150), and offer a suitable tip (like the rest) if she pleases me with the service. But since I'm negotiating with Overseer, not my lady, it's hard, and I decide to spring for the one hour, and work out a longer stay with my lady somehow if the first hour works.
During this conversation I learn that these ladies typically have a 30-day visa, and at the end they spend 8 hours each way on the bus to the Thai border. Overseer just got back from such a trip herself. No doubt Overseer has been through a similar story herself, some months ago, and now finds herself working for The Man or whoever is behind this scheme.
In the taxi, I catch a shudder. What's up? Nervous, she says. Scared, I see. Almost ready to cry. Good Catholic girl, sacrificing her values in a way that she is not comfortable with but feels stuck with no way out. I'm feeling compassionate, because this is very real, or else she's a fine actress. I tell her I'm a nice guy and will treat her well, but if she has changed her mind I will pay her taxi back to the club. No, she is comfortable with me, if not the situation, so we go to my room.
It hits me how clueless she is. She does not know the value of 1RM in terms of PHP, and she does not know her price on the open market. I explain the latter to her; how odd to be explaining the system to a WG, instead of the other way around. I open a currency exchange calculator on the Web to teach her about the value of money. So how much is RM 7000 then, she asks, and her eyes well up when she sees it is over 100k PHP; finally she gets it. Perhaps she had assumed that RM and PHP were nearly equal. I tell her she will have to see many men to pay off her debt, and tell her I'm sorry, but I think she's been taken advantage of by dishonest people. She realizes it will be a long time before there is money to send home.
Meanwhile Steve is still seriously horny, while dealing with his own feelings about this emotional display and her situation. I have been supportive, and held her when she was upset, and now she's ready to move on.
Somehow the subject of condoms comes up. She not only doesn't have any (I do), but has never used one or seeon one before, and she was going to f*ck me without one, the only way she has ever done it. I'm shocked. I'm not about to do it without one, for my sake as well as hers, and I teach her how to put one on me. Doesn't she care about pregnancy, disease, AIDS? The rhythm method answers the first, and her boyfriend convincing her that he is too old to make her pregnant. That's rich! The other two are similarly buried in ignorance or denial. I explain the risks, and urge her to get equipped and protect herself. I know, some of you, dear readers, are rolling your eyes or cursing me.
Is it possible that Steve has found a lady who is even more Naive than he himself? It sure looks that way, but Steve knows he is Naive, so he still has doubts. The feelings are all so real, though, that's what really hit me about this.
So it's to the showers. You first, she says, but then agrees to bathe together (which I enjoy a lot, and of course it is easier to avoid theft).
Some kissing and cuddling before the shower, sincere - I love it. As she removes her underwear, "Oh no," she says, "cannot make love!" It seems she has her period, asks what is the date? Two days early, I guess she expects her body to run like a German train schedule. I can't believe this new turn of events. Now what? Could she really not know? I have never had a WG have her period, so somehow they seem to know when not to work.
We towel off, I'm wondering where this goes next. Can you use mouth/hands? Yes. So to the bed. She is willing but not very skilled. Less practiced with "manual stick" than "automatic transmission," and the vehicle lurches a bit. Driver's Ed is called for.
It is only her first day of the period, and I don't find blood on my fingers, so I ask if we can do it anyway. She agrees. Enthusiastic partner, eager to please, frisky and frenzied. Totally GFE in all the good and the bad ways, I think, a bit more than I might have hoped for. A few streaks on the cautionary towel prove she was not lying about having the period, but of course she could have known all along.
Now I'm satisified, and it's been two hours since she arrived. I offer her the alternative of staying with me rather than going to her boarding house, which she hopes to find using an address on a tiny scrap of damp paper. She wants to stay until 3AM, because Overseer has SMSed her and wants her home by then, but she wants to be cuddled for awhile. I put her payment in her purse, making sure she sees the four bills, she nods and smiles a little ruefully.
I'm wondering: what happens at 3AM? All of this is so unbelievable, and I have not ruled out a con. Will there be a muscle man waiting to abduct me as I let her out the door? Did she notice the room number, I try to recall? I think of various solutions to my dilemma, but we both cruise off to sleep. She is really sweet to hold, and holds me like a true love; she sure knows how to cuddle. Steve thinks sometimes he is looking for love in all the wrong places, but his needs are for more than for what's between his legs, which has always been a problem for him in this game, but then some effective solutions have been found, too.
What happens at 3AM is this: nothing, as we're both still asleep. She stirs at about 3:30AM, says she must go. As she's getting ready to go, I check and confirm that my money, wallet, passport, computer, etc are all untouched. I offer her a tip for taxi, condoms, etc and she looks at me with surprise: but you already paid me! She's wising up, though, and hides the tip in her bra so that Overseer does not find it. She finally understands that they are not going to look after her best interests, so she'll have to start doing that for herself.
I examine the hallway, nothing. She wants me to escort her out to the taxi, no problem, I dress. She asks me to call before I leave town, I agree. And after a farewell like new lovers, the taxi takes her away. Sigh.
All in all she pulled on my heartstrings more effectively than she pulled on the other parts. I know that is a dangerous thing in this game. I still marvel that she could be so naive herself, challenging my own supremecy at naivete. Some of you are still rolling your eyes or rolling on the floor in hysterics (but think about the enymology of "hysterics"), and that's fine.
Some day maybe Steve Naive will be more jaded and will change his name, but not today. Steve feels touched by this naive spirit.
Do you believe her story? Is it yet another set of lies? If so, it was the con without a sting, as she never asked for or took more than we agreed on. It sure seemed real to me. Then again, Filipinas are clever, and I have been chumped before. Your opinions are solicited - PM and I will summarize, or reply here, as you choose.This is a good story and "yes" is the answer. good honest girls from all over get the bula bula.They get told about all kinds of jobs and beg,borrow the money to get to the place and the job is working in the bar for a barfine.It's a shame they fall for this trick for money to send home.Not like the "crack" and "H" addicts we have here getting the green for a fix...
Nice report, B.B...
Cebu Local
06-28-06, 00:11
There are a lot of reports in the Philippine Media about Philippine girls being conned into going to Malaysia as Shopping center Sales girls,waitresses etc,But again there are those going voluntarily.I have been to the Beach Club and as a Filipino speaking individual,I have been able to chat with these girls and would say that a large percentage maybe 40% are conned into going to Malaysia.Just my 2 centavos opinion Btw On last months edition of the Philippine Cosmopolitan,There was an article about a woman who was conned into going to Malaysia,ended up working as a Hooker and met a guy and TRUELLY FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM,They currently are living together in Singapore.
Steve Naive
06-28-06, 00:42
There are a lot of reports in the There was an article about a woman who was conned into going to Malaysia,ended up working as a Hooker and met a guy and TRUELLY FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM,They currently are living together in Singapore. If I were local to KL, I could easily imagine repeat visits leading to falling in love for real. This was a powerful experience for me, and she is a precious soul, not yet a hardened bargirl. By the way she treated me I sense that it could be mutual... she found a friend in a difficult place.
OTOH I would not want her managing my household finances... at least not until I trained her to understand the value of money.
Steve,
The possibilities could be very true in what you have experience in Beach Club. I am always tempted to go to these places and have some GFe effect before deciding on a long night with someone in a room.
But is way too "comfortable" to be seen in public with a girlie in a club especially if you are a local. Too many familiar faces around.
Me and friend usually go to HC's or Mp's in KL where we experience less GFE which we are not very happy about but some level of service is expected and mostly not having the introductions in public.
We do go to the pubs in thailand, indonesia and have visits the pubs and have all the GFE we want and experience some excitement with a girlie from a pub we pick up.(just like what you did in KL)
Nevertheless I have read your FR KL thread and appreciate your contribution and do PM me when you are here the next time. Probably we can catch up.
If I were local to KL, I could easily imagine repeat visits leading to falling in love for real. This was a powerful experience for me, and she is a precious soul, not yet a hardened bargirl. By the way she treated me I sense that it could be mutual... she found a friend in a difficult place.
OTOH I would not want her managing my household finances... at least not until I trained her to understand the value of money.
CanContrib
06-28-06, 22:26
However, my comments were more intended for the BIG business end of things like negotiating contracts etc between companies. Chinese are the movers and shakers, they also control the money, into money lending etc and the "underground" banking/loan system that permeates this society. Beleive me without it very little would get done big business wise.
SpamhogYeah, in that specific context you're absolutely right. We agree that's *my* job, not hers. As you make me pause to think about it, she and I have actually never discussed it or felt a need to, since that's just the way it is.
Like when we paid out the house amortization. She suggested maybe I could ask for a payout discount, which where I come from you just don't get when paying off a mortgage, but ok, sure, why not ask. The result was a 20-ish% capital saving, which took me all of 10 minutes to get. That's one whopping big chunk of major capital saved, and I'm surely happy she suggested it when I wouldn't have otherwise considered it possible.
Steve Naive
06-29-06, 12:22
(A followup on my long-winded story posted yesterday)
The lady practically begged me to call her before I left KL. She suggested 11AM on Wednesday. I called about eight times over a few hours, starting at that time.
Her phone was either switched off, or she gave me the wrong number. From the message I got, I don't know for sure ("The number you have dialed cannot be reached at the moment. Please try again later.") I also emailed her and sent an SMS to ask her to read email.
Given all else that has happened, this should not surprise me. If I don't hear from her again, I'll miss her. Heck, I miss her already.
Dragon Slayer
06-29-06, 13:41
Hi Steve,
Slayer here. # 1 on Davao Board. Been wondering where the fuck you have been. Up to your old "tricks" I see. Well you neither need nor want my advice. No way in heaven or hell you would follow it anyway.
The girls cell may just have been off, low battery or out of range. I get these messages all the time. Often have to make several calls just to reach my daughters mother or my son's (read about him Steve?) mother or the other ladies in Davao, Cebu, CDO or Makati.
Heard the story 1000 times in last 18 years travelling to SE Asia. You need to see the sleaze bag fucking filipinos who get these girls into this work. Same dickless cocksuckers (don't even dare PM you fucking losers) who recruit japyukies for japan. Little or no real education, little intelligence but sociopathic, violent and good at inventing bullshit stories for "down on their luck filipinas".
Steve, why the fuck do you leave your passport, wallet, money and who knows what else in your room with a bargirl? Especially when you suspect foul play. BTW, if you DO suspect foul play in the night, DO NOT simply fall asleep. Prepare for the possibility, no matter how remote.
I do hope we meet up some day. It will be a "real Trip". My return to the Phils is shortly and my nephew in US Law Enforcement will accompany me for his frist Trip. Pm me if you can get there in August.
On the side, I cannot believve some guy copied Steve's entire report again here. WHat purpose does this serve? I often wonder why a guy copies several paragraphs of one of my Posts. Steve's Post was a novella.
As always, I enjoy reading of your exploits Steve. Totally different from mine but great all the same. Stay healthy Pal.
Dragon Slayer
(A followup on my long-winded story posted yesterday)
The lady practically begged me to call her before I left KL. She suggested 11AM on Wednesday. I called about eight times over a few hours, starting at that time.
Her phone was either switched off, or she gave me the wrong number. From the message I got, I don't know for sure ("The number you have dialed cannot be reached at the moment. Please try again later.") I also emailed her and sent an SMS to ask her to read email.
Given all else that has happened, this should not surprise me. If I don't hear from her again, I'll miss her. Heck, I miss her already.
Steve:
Just a few points, first let me commend you on a report well written with just the right amount of humor and honesty that is refreshing. I have done some light mongering in KL city but many years ago, didn;t find any Filipinas (Plenty of Thai and Indonesians) but here is my take ont he situation after reading your initial report and the PS re cellphone.
There is a theme song all Filipina's have it goes like this:
1. I have only had sex with one man in my life
2. It has been _______ years since I had sex (Fill int he blank)
3. I learned to do that (THAT is anything other than straight misisonary position intercourse) from looking at porno films with my GF's. (A variation of this is the married GF who taught her how to give a blow job etc.)
4. Hard luck story
5. this is my first night (Week, month) in the bar and you are my first (sometimes second) customer. (A variation of this is the freelancer you meet who says the same thing about her first time doing this).
Okay based on my experience mongering around different places in Asia with Filipina's (Whom I put in a seperate catagory from Thai, Viets, Laotians, Singa chinese, Malays, Indos etc.) 1 through 3 are usually BS. No matter if you hear that from penpals you meet, girls on the internet, "regular" girls, nurses, teachers or A cute littel freelancer you picked up in the mall.
There are so many cultural and even profesisonal reasons why these ladies tell you that, I have met two (2) Filipina for whom that was true.
In the case of #4, it usually is true, that is the sad part, remember MOST of these girls DO NOT WANT TO BE WORKING IN A BAR and humping strange guys for money, triple that for being overseas, away from their families and at the mnercy of some pitiless overseer. If they were not deseperate for money and a great deal of pressure put on them they WOULD NOT BE IN THAT POSITION. (Hold that thought)
Now the BIG problem is 5. All I can tell you is you have to look at it on a case to case basis, here is where you mongering experience comes in. You cna usually tell the ones form whom it is true, they are fumbling, nervous and a bit ignorant about the proceedure.
I would say in her case most of what she told you was true, girls are often given a "cover story" such as a real job and are smuggled into the country to work as hookers, she was no doubt quoting the party line to you in case you were a TEST case sent by mamasan, or worse the local cops who at times employ foreigners for this job (they often do this).
Now the question you got to ask yourself is while she sounds absolutely new to that particular venue, what did she do in the Philippines, how and where was she recruited ads most of these OFW hookers are picked up in local KTV's etc. and know exactly what they are getting into...go back to point #4.
Many of these girls do lie of course but something you should consider...many lie to themselves (Go back to point 4) to come to grip with the facts they are just prosty's which are despised in their society and by family so they have to "save face" and pretend they are not in their own minds.
As far as the phone thing, be patient, phones often dont work, she may have hocked it, changed her number or maybe jyust can afford to reload it with a prepaid card. Keep trying, however, be cautious, have experience witha a variety of girls before you find one you want to concentrate on, no matter how "good" she seems.
good luck
the SPamhog
Dashing Don
07-03-06, 15:29
Now here's a post that I never thought I would make.
Upon returning from my trip to PI a month ago, I met a girl on Filipina Heart. 18yo and a virgin from a place near Butuan in Mindanao. We chat and cam and she looks and seems very nice. I'm going back to PI on Friday and will meet up with her in Butuan on Monday. Thats after I quench my thirst in Manila.
If all goes well, I'm considering marrying her and taking her back to the US. I've done a little research on immigration procedures and the K1, or 'fiancee visa' seems the quicker of the two paths to take.
I do have assets and a good income to protect and she will have to sign a prenup. As yet I haven't sat down with an attorney to work out the details. I'm thinking along the lines of zero to her if either of us files for divorce in the first five years and after that, a lump sum for five to eight years, eight to twelve etc. I want to be fair to the girl as I'm taking the best years of her life, but above all, I must protect what I've accumulated in my 49years. I've never done this before and I'm curious if others have.
Of course, child support is separate from this and cannot be negotiated away by private treaty. I already pay hefty child support but dont mind it as I love my kids and would like to have more.
This girl is very anxious to get married. There has not been any mention of money. She seems sincere. Even if she's not, I'll probably knock her up in the first few months she sets foot in the US, and then she'll be busy. But my feeling is that to be a wife and mother is what she ultimately wants. Just not in the Philippines.
My ex-wife, with whom I am very friendly, says that I will continue to make mongering trips even when I am eventually confined to a wheelchair...........she could be right. I never saw marriage as a barrier to mongering.
Why get married? I've been apart from my ex for a year and I've had a serious look at the females here in the US. I've gone on dates; been set up by friends etc and mind you, these were with mostly latinas. But I'm not interested in the women here. Between equality and the lack of femininity, I'd rather get on a plane.
This topic has been brought up before and I paid it scant interest. There's even a section for marrying foreign women, but I think Filipinas are different, read best, and I'd rather get input from guys who know the PI. I was already married to a South American and am familiar with the ever needy family etc.
I've made enough jokes here and am quite prepared to have a few made about me. The crux of my question is this: if I have covered myself with a prenup, should I be unduly worried about anything else?
Any input welcomed.
Don
Don't do it Don. I'll be in the Philippines on the 21st. We can get together for a drink and maybe I can talk you out of it.
Dashing and daring, a middle aged man says he's going to venture forth to the the Philippine and marry an 18yrOld virgin.
Duh!
X
Dashing Don
07-03-06, 16:41
Xman: Thanks for that reasoned and informative post. Its just what I was looking for. I'm digesting it as we speak.
Mahku: I've always enjoyed your posts and would definitely meet up with you but I arrive on the 8th and depart on the 17th. Your thoughts are most welcome though.
Don
Now here's a post that I never thought I would make.
Upon returning from my trip to PI a month ago, I met a girl on Filipina Heart. 18yo and a virgin from a place near Butuan in Mindanao. We chat and cam and she looks and seems very nice. I'm going back to PI on Friday and will meet up with her in Butuan on Monday. Thats after I quench my thirst in Manila.
If all goes well, I'm considering marrying her and taking her back to the US. I've done a little research on immigration procedures and the K1, or 'fiancee visa' seems the quicker of the two paths to take.
I do have assets and a good income to protect and she will have to sign a prenup. As yet I haven't sat down with an attorney to work out the details. I'm thinking along the lines of zero to her if either of us files for divorce in the first five years and after that, a lump sum for five to eight years, eight to twelve etc. I want to be fair to the girl as I'm taking the best years of her life, but above all, I must protect what I've accumulated in my 49years. I've never done this before and I'm curious if others have.
I've made enough jokes here and am quite prepared to have a few made about me. The crux of my question is this: if I have covered myself with a prenup, should I be unduly worried about anything else?
Any input welcomed.
DonDon,
I still don't get why you want to get married - unless it's that you want to have more kids. I agree that US women are challenging but that doesn't justify marriage. Since you're divorced, you know this - once you marry her, you are handing her a lot of power and ability to make your life miserable - you can't just blow her off like you can a gf or hooker. I would suggest you give single life a bit more time.
Anyway, if you do it, have a heart to heart with your lawyer. I don't know how rock solid even the best pre-nups are - some states have pretty strict rules about how assets are divided, especially after long (10+ year marriages) and if there is child support involved. BTW, I'm not an attorney
Good luck,
PB
Dashing Don
07-04-06, 04:43
Pat,
Thanks for your response.
I don't want to get married but thats the only way to get a Filipina in here.
I'm beginning to think that you are right about the attorney thing. If the prenup is airtight, there isn't much the girl can do. But if its not, then I'm in trouble. Of course, all this is pure theory.
Don
Now here's a post that I never thought I would make.
Upon returning from my trip to PI a month ago, I met a girl on Filipina Heart. 18yo and a virgin from a place near Butuan in Mindanao. We chat and cam and she looks and seems very nice. I'm going back to PI on Friday and will meet up with her in Butuan on Monday. Thats after I quench my thirst in Manila.
If all goes well, I'm considering marrying her and taking her back to the US. I've done a little research on immigration procedures and the K1, or 'fiancee visa' seems the quicker of the two paths to take.
I do have assets and a good income to protect and she will have to sign a prenup. As yet I haven't sat down with an attorney to work out the details. I'm thinking along the lines of zero to her if either of us files for divorce in the first five years and after that, a lump sum for five to eight years, eight to twelve etc. I want to be fair to the girl as I'm taking the best years of her life, but above all, I must protect what I've accumulated in my 49years. I've never done this before and I'm curious if others have.
Of course, child support is separate from this and cannot be negotiated away by private treaty. I already pay hefty child support but don't mind it as I love my kids and would like to have more.
This girl is very anxious to get married. There has not been any mention of money. She seems sincere. Even if she's not, I'll probably knock her up in the first few months she sets foot in the US, and then she'll be busy. But my feeling is that to be a wife and mother is what she ultimately wants. Just not in the Philippines.
My ex-wife, with whom I am very friendly, says that I will continue to make mongering trips even when I am eventually confined to a wheelchair. She could be right. I never saw marriage as a barrier to mongering.
Why get married? I've been apart from my ex for a year and I've had a serious look at the females here in the US. I've gone on dates; been set up by friends etc and mind you, these were with mostly latinas. But I'm not interested in the women here. Between equality and the lack of femininity, I'd rather get on a plane.
This topic has been brought up before and I paid it scant interest. There's even a section for marrying foreign women, but I think Filipinas are different, read best, and I'd rather get input from guys who know the PI. I was already married to a South American and am familiar with the ever needy family etc.
I've made enough jokes here and am quite prepared to have a few made about me. The crux of my question is this: if I have covered myself with a prenup, should I be unduly worried about anything else?
Any input welcomed.
DonDear Don,
I married a Filipina after divorcing a local Australian. This was the worst decision of my life; things changed after the marriage. Some of my mates also married Filipnas and are in the same sad situation as myself.
My advice:
1. Do not marry anybody at all for two years; go on mongering and be clear on the qualities you want in a wife. Do not be seduced by the expertise of the RP girls - they promise so much and are a sheer delight while courting.
2. Learn to manage on your own; learn the cost of running a flat or house etc.
3. Why is this 18 yo keen on you? Think about it. My experience - and I have lived in RP for a while - is that she sees you as a ticket to the 'good life'. Many RP think people in North America, Australia, Western Europe are all rich. She will continue to be very sweet to you while she believes that you will marry her or, more pointedly, support her financially and materially. She will, of course, not mention money until after the marriage ceremony. She is not stupid; she would not want to jeopardise the prospect of a materially better life. Her friend would encourage her and would be jealous of her meterial prospects.
4. If you find an RP female you think you love, live with her for at least a year and check her out.
5. During this time, observe her carefully. Watch out for the following - my list is incomplete-
* Asking for (and even demanding with tantrums) very excessive $ for housekeeping (she saves the excess and mails it to relatives).
* Buying heaps of clothes - and then sending boxes of stuff that is 'out of fashion' etc to relatives.
* Demanding an annual funded visit with $ for expenses to RP to see relatives or attend 'important' funerals etc.
* Using sex as a reward for being obedient. In Tagalog, her friends talk about what they do to gain materially from their marriages to white guys.
* Unwillingness to visit your friends with you. I have lost all of my pre-marriage friends and now talk to guys like me who married an RP female.
* Continuing to call RP 'home'; in their minds, they will always be Filipinas abroad making a life for themselves.
* Telling you 'hard luck' stories about herself and other Filipinas ('relatives')
6. If you still widh to go ahead with a marriage, either the female is an exception (and there are, obviously, some few good Filipino females) OR you are thinking with your heart or your dick and not your head. Pre-nups are not worth a great deal if she makes your life with her a hellish experience.
7. Asia is a big place; in my experience, I find many Chinese girls to be better and supportive partners and they continue to be very feminine.
Best wishes
Ray
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.
Pat,
Thanks for your response.
I don't want to get married but thats the only way to get a Filipina in here.
I'm beginning to think that you are right about the attorney thing. If the prenup is airtight, there isn't much the girl can do. But if its not, then I'm in trouble. Of course, all this is pure theory.
Don
ANYBODY who gets married in this day and age SHOULD get a pre nup no matter where the bride is from, I would say double that if the woman is an American or Americanized (read a liberated student of Hillary, Sally Jesse and Oprah) and they learn fast. There are some built in safeguards by the system, for instance she must clear her first year (or is it two???) before any of her entitlement rights attach. You understand that your prenup is good only in the USA or state in which you reside and they all have different laws concerning a pre nup, and that such a document means crap in the Phils, you have no rights as a foreigner she gets EVERYTHING in the PI.
Here are a couple of points:
MAKE SURE a copy of the prenup is translated to Visayan!!!!
You can make her (or anybody else) your beneficiary if you are legally married, should something happen to you (face it, you are going before her coz of your age!) in the first year of marriage, she will get something. DO NOT make your attorney executor of your will, he will step in and take a heafty cut. You can do your own will and have it notarized and a copy left with your Kids, relatives etc.
These things I learned doing PI work for an attorney in the USA and what I know of Phils law.
Good luck
Spamhog
Dashing Don
07-04-06, 23:21
Thanks fellas for the feedback.
I'm still not clear on a couple of things though:
If she changes her behavior for the worst within the first two years of marriage, I can just divorce her and she'll have to go back to the PI...without a financial settlement. Right? Between the provisions of US Immigration's K1 visa which deems that there be a two year waiting period (to defeat gold diggers), and the freely-entered-into prenup, she's snookered. At least so it would seem.
I can't live with the girl as I have a job/house/kids etc here in the US. Thus, I have to import her. I seem to remember a poster who did this a lot. A New Zealander I think. Just can't remember his handle. He would bring them in for a while. Test driving and all that.
I certainly wouldn't invest, get married or otherwise entangle myself in the PI. Everything would be done in the US.
Ray, I'm thinking with my dick of course! Having a nice 18yo sharing the sack with you night after night has a certain draw to it. And I'll monger till the day I die. If she looks at me as a meal ticket, so bet it. Thats ok. The broads here in the US look at their men as meal tickets too, despite all that phony equality garbage. In any business I've seen, very very few women can hold their own with aggressive males. So they marry them. Much simpler.
For seven good years, I had the best of both worlds. I had a nice Peruvian wife, kids, home etc AND I mongered every few months. It was great. Came to an end though. So I'm looking to replicate that. Obviously I will not be advertising my mongering proclivities to any future mate. Just hoping I can get away with it and that if I do get caught, by that time a certain acceptance will have crept in on her part.
Several of the posters here have Filipina wives and speak highly of them and the girls, even the hookers in the PI, do seem very sweet. I'm just trying to navigate correctly. I think that the next step will be to sit down with an attorney but it won't happen before I leave on Friday.
Cebu Local: I tried pming you last week but your box was full. I need to book a hotel in Butuan. I'd appreciate it if you can get back to me in the next few days. Thanks.
Don
Cebu Local
07-05-06, 00:13
Don
You have PM,Sorry I cant weigh in on Filipinas,because I am getting engaged to a Chinese.But I wish you all the best luck Cheers CL
Chocha Monger
07-05-06, 01:56
Hmm... a fifty year old divorced man importing a teenager for marriage with a pre-nup then trying to ditch her before her two year conditional visa is up; such stories always have an interesting ending. I'm sure the family court judge and immigration will take a long hard look at this one and arrive at their own conclusions, especially after the first anchor baby arrives.
Pre-nups can be thrown out if the judge thinks that the terms were unfair or one party's rights were violated. The consular officer will also make sure that girl is informed that she is entitled to an unconditional green card after she makes a call to the local police station and they file domestic violence charges against her elderly husband.
American women frown upon old men who bang 18 yr old girls and have ensured that laws like IMBRA exist to deal with those who marry and import these girls from impoverished nations. Also, test driving foreign women with a K-1 visa has officially been put to an end.
The broads here in the US look at their men as meal tickets too, despite all that phony equality garbage. In any business I've seen, very very few women can hold their own with aggressive males. So they marry them. Much simpler.Don,
Most American women look at men as meal tickets but not always. A fair number of wives make more than their husbands. My ex-wife was from a wealthy family who sent us money. Not likely to happen with a Filipina or Thai girl's family.
Anyway, I'm fairly close to your age and also worry about protecting my assets - which is why I don't plan to get married anytime soon, unless I meet a great rich girl. In the meantime, when I want to fuck an 18 year old girl, I consult Craigslist or plan a trip to Asia or Brazil. Don't forget, your wife may be a hot 18 year old now, but I've seen some cute Filipinas balloon up in their early 20's - why get yourself tethered to one?
In California, after 10 years of marriage, I believe all assets are split in half - and I'm not sure if you can avoid that with a prenup. One solution I have heard about is trusts, which in some states last 100+ years or indefinitely and shield your assets from lawsuits, divorce etc. My sense is that they are a pain in the ass to set up though, and limit your access to your assets. Again, ask your attorney and/or accountant about it as I'm not an expert.
PB
Dashing Don
07-06-06, 03:27
Aside from the poster who deliberately misread everything I've said and portrayed me as some kind of predator, I've been listening to the other posters and as the day approaches, I find my thoughts turning to protecting my assets rather than bagging the young tail and taking it back to the US. I don't intend to do anything rash on this trip and I have a few girls as backup to call if the main one doesn't work out.
It does seem as if prenups are only for short term relationships. I've also heard that prenups can be overturned if they go against 'the public interest'. That nugget I heard from an lawyer. But I haven't sat down with a family lawyer yet.
It'll be interesting to see what happens as I've never gotten this 'deep' in a relationship with a Filipina. And I'll report back on what transpires.
Thanks to all,
Don
Cebu Steve
07-06-06, 04:29
Don,
I'm a few years younger than you, but have had the same thoughts about bringing a great young babe back from the PI.
I'm no lawyer, but I have looked into how pre-nups work pretty closely. I have done a lot of reading on it. I would say, based on research, that even if the relationship ends within 0 to 5 years, you are going to have to pay a fairly significant settlement. Not in the 50-50 split range or anything like that. But depending on your assets it could be a 5 figure number. If she's staying in the states, you'll probably have to pay alimony for at least a while. A court would not allow her to be left to become destitute.
If she really changes in the first year or two, the law does specify that after divorce, she goes back. But you know how immigration really is here. I am not 100% that it would be enforced. There are an awful lot of people here illegally.
Good luck, and of course have a blast on your trip. I (and likely others) will be very interested in your future reports, including advice you get from an attorney.
CS
Aside from the poster who deliberately misread everything I've said and portrayed me as some kind of predator, I've been listening to the other posters and as the day approaches, I find my thoughts turning to protecting my assets rather than bagging the young tail and taking it back to the US. I don't intend to do anything rash on this trip and I have a few girls as backup to call if the main one doesn't work out.
It does seem as if prenups are only for short term relationships. I've also heard that prenups can be overturned if they go against 'the public interest'. That nugget I heard from an lawyer. But I haven't sat down with a family lawyer yet.
It'll be interesting to see what happens as I've never gotten this 'deep' in a relationship with a Filipina. And I'll report back on what transpires.
Thanks to all,
Don
Don:
You ARE correct Pre nups CAN BE OVERTURNED, or at least contested, Divorce settlements can be CONTESTED and SO CAN YOUR WILL!!!! I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU MAKE A WILL AHEAD OF TIME and name your beneficiary (Kids from previous marriage or a blood relative) BUT ANYTHING can be challeneged in court, that is why God (or is it the devil?) made lawyers. She can hire a lawyer and contest anything and drain your pockets doing it as YOU have to hire a lawyer right back! Yeah Right where is a teenaged Filipina going to find a lawyer in the USA??? well there are plenty of womens organizations who would champion her cause and portray you as a "predator" and a monster who took advantage of this poor young thing, you know how our Politically correct our society is. That is one reason why I suggested you make sure she has copies of EVERYTHING translated to visayan, to prove that you didn't take advantage of her ignorance.
Best you can hope for in such a worst case scenario is that she would get tired and frustrated with the legal system, run out of patience and just head back home to the PI with whatever small settlement you were willing to stipulate to. (I personally think the Filipina psych is geared towards this one) If you live in a state with a "no fault" divorce such as Virginia (where it takes 9 years of marriage before assets attach) count yourself lucky.
Spam hog
Bill Buxton
07-06-06, 12:15
FIRST ERRORS IN THE QUOTE DEPT PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THAT.
This is not an "OJ" CRIMINAL case, it's a civil matter, big difference.It will not matter about personal public opinion's it's not about the world standards it's about you.
If you follow the outline she gets half of what you "earned together" no more or less,not anything either of you had before the happy day.The key here is money and you have the assets not her and money talks nobody walks,nobody.And this is true all over the planet.I would expect problems if written by yourself but through a competent attorney very hard to break.We are not talking about headline breaking cases here,we are talking about regular people not two millionaires or land Barron's or oil tycoons.Regular (MY KIND OF)people.
I am not talking about the new voe rich guys that live in the PI now.(Who were regular guys at home)I am speaking about the average.
QUOTE;Spam Hog;
You ARE correct Pre nups CAN BE OVERTURNED, or at least contested, Divorce settlements can be CONTESTED and SO CAN YOUR WILL!!!! I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU MAKE A WILL AHEAD OF TIME and name your beneficiary (Kids from previous marriage or a blood relative) BUT ANYTHING can be challenged in court, that is why God (or is it the devil?) made lawyers. She can hire a lawyer and contest anything and drain your pockets doing it as YOU have to hire a lawyer right back! Yeah Right where is a teenaged Filipina going to find a lawyer in the USA??? well there are plenty of womens organizations who would champion her cause and portray you as a "predator" and a monster who took advantage of this poor young thing, you know how our Politically correct our society is. That is one reason why I suggested you make sure she has copies of EVERYTHING translated to visayan, to prove that you didn't take advantage of her ignorance.
Best you can hope for in such a worst case scenario is that she would get tired and frustrated with the legal system, run out of patience and just head back home to the PI with whatever small settlement you were willing to stipulate to. (I personally think the Filipina psych is geared towards this one) If you live in a state with a "no fault" divorce such as Virginia (where it takes 9 years of marriage before assets attach) count yourself lucky. END QUOTE;
Lets take first things first.If the gal wants to contest what you say is right as far as the pre nup goes where will she get the money? Do you think a good counselor from a local free or low cost legal service will cut the mustard.The answer is no way.If you draw up a prenup nup in the us or another country she will NEVER GET ANYMORE THAN WHAT SHE SIGNED FOR,AND AGREED TO GET.
The reason the contested wills are so sticky is there is no representation for people to argue with.Meening the deceased.The only one that wins is the lawyer.Most people do not outline and have papers on hand showing an outline as to what they want someone to receive.Most contested wills are in fact showing the person had no will at all.The family members are fighting over personal property that is owned by an estate."They fight with the person mostly the executor" which they usually see as a threat by some or all the family members. People throw good money in after bad all the time and this is a fools errand.I have a very good friend that had a prenup nup signed by his now ex wife and she got nothing but what was outlined in the paperwork.She also had her own money to fight if she wanted and she declined any further FOOLISH action.
I would rather take my chances with the prenup which in most cases is "IRON CLAD" than be happy to find out you should have in the final analysis.Like they say a fool and his money soon part,I want to protect mine.
MORE PEARLS'
B.B...
Bill Buxton
07-06-06, 12:55
Spam Hog I messed up the quote function on the lower post and did my best to fix it.
B.B..
I've had the pleasure of spending a few days with The Senator from the great state of New York, Dashing Don.
DD, you know what my gig is. I've got a young lady stabled in the P.I. who I come out to visit with every 2 or 3 months. The bottom line is I'm treated very well by her without the threat of her unpacking my saddlebags and taking half my shit. I know it would be nice having her live here in California but it just ain't worth the risk of having her "change" once she gets here as others have stated.
Take my advice and keep the little lady in the P.I.. She will take good care of you and the cost impact is minimal. I'd suggest you get on the frequent flyer program with Philippine Airlines and you will be upgraded to first class before you know it. Just have a Scotch and an Ambien and you will be there before you know it.
Speaking of Philippine Airlines, I got a kick out of butthole Surfer's comment bashing Philippine Airlines for the "unannounced technical difficulties" which causes them to land in Honolulu every time he has flown with them. Surfer, that stop in Honolulu is called "refueling". You see, there is a wind way up in the sky called a jetstream and when airplanes fly west, they fly against this wind which uses more fuel and that requires them to stop for a fill up. P.I. Airlines now stops in Guam, not Hawaii for this "technical difficulty" Surfer refers to.
flew that PR 102/103 MANY times in the 90s, and unannounced "technical" stops in HNL are all too common going over
PAL is (better said WAS as I have not flown them in almost 10 years) NOTORIOUS for adding unscheduled stops in HNL when the load factror is light. Yes OCCASIONALLY a very strong ghead wind might necesitate a stop in HNL but fuinny how they skipped the stop when the flight from SFO (or LAX) was full, but when not they would cancel the separate flight from HNL (PR 108 I THINK) and put those passengers on the SFO-MNL flight. The 747-400 they used has more than enough range to amke that flight nonstop with FAA mandated reserves. Gotta PLENTY of other PAL stories but I won't bother.
Don: I am impressed you are going to Mindanao (finally getting out of Manila) but don't expect ANY 5 star level of hotel in Butuan City. Or 4. Or 3. WEll maybe there is a 3 star by now (they were building a nicer hotel last time I was there)
As a lawyer who had a TIGHT prenup with a Filipina and went through a divorce, I can tell you that the Court ALWAYS can invalidate your agreement if found not "equitable". Also, even if she wanted to she could not waive alimony (now called spousal support) or child support (HIGH probability you WILL knock her up as Filipinas are breeding machines). Prenups only deal with allocation of property (or assets) accumulated during marriage. A prenup is ESSENTIAL, but realize it only goes so far.
Why am I am helping you when we are enemies? Because I am a generous and helpful person by disposition.
The bottom line is I'm treated very well by her without the threat of her unpacking my saddlebags and taking half my shit. I know it would be nice having her live here in California but it just ain't worth the risk of having her "change" once she gets here as others have stated.
Take my advice and keep the little lady in the P.I.. She will take good care of you and the cost impact is minimal. I'd suggest you get on the frequent flyer program with Philippine Airlines and you will be upgraded to first class before you know it. Just have a Scotch and an Ambien and you will be there before you know it.DD,
Just found this post and thread which may be worth reviewing if you haven't seen it. I think it's on the money.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=468935&postcount=143
PB
Dashing Don
07-09-06, 02:05
Its 8:30am Sunday here in Manila and I'm in the business Center at the Peninsula. Got in at midnight; checked into the hotel; went to EDSA and got a barfine. She's upstairs sleeping as I write.
Everyone in the hotel is addressing me as 'Senator', I mean everyone. At breakfast; the concierge, housekeeping. What a hoot! The only downside is that I can't be rude to anyone now: I have to actually answer the 100 'Good Morning Senator's I get everyday instead of ignoring them like before.
CL: Thanks for recommending the Almont in Butuan. If you booked it for me (and other hotel arrangements) wouldn't you get a commission? As it seems that it would not make a difference to me pricewise, I'd be glad to send you any business that I could. I'm in the PI about every two months. Let me know.
It seems that Prov and Guinness, in a fatherly way, are questioning my committment to mongering. Fellas!! I just want to have my cake and eat it too. Even if I have a nice young Filipina at home, I can still make mongering trips. And will. It never stopped me before (although probably had something to do with my being divorced LOL). If I want to visit an AMP in Manhattan I will. That won't change. So what we are really talking about is capital. And how to preserve it. Thats why, as soon as I get back on the 17th, I will get a consultation with one of the most prominent family law firms in New York.
Surf, I'm glad to see you coming around. Just a few days ago on the 'Mansion Incident' section of the Colombia board, you advocated my demise in a particularly gruesome way. Now you're giving me legal advice. I know I speak for Prov and Guinness when I say "welcome back to humanity.":)
You didn't mention whether your prenup was overturned. Also, as I understand it, child support is the only thing that cannot be addressed in a prenup. Anyway, no more speculation. I'll go to the top law firm in NYC when I get back.
Finally: One reason why I get along so well with my ex is that she and the kids are very well taken care of, both materially, and in terms of time spent with the kids. It would be same with any Filipina I take back. Any prenup would reflect the fact that she is giving up the best years of her life. In no way am I trying to enslave anyone or be unfair. I just don't want to subject myself to a court system which often treats the guys like we are criminals and leaves us penniless.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back upstairs and bang my barfine one last time before she leaves.
Don
DD:
I never "advocated" that kickboxer go after you (I abhor violence), I merely noted that he would not need a weapon to hurt you (the guy is tough as nails depite being about 5'5").
You are wise NOT to skimp on the lawyering expense as it will save you in the long run. My agreement was never invalidated because we settled; luckily, my ex made good money (mortgage broker) so I got out fine really (except having to pay my own attorney which was painful and gave me some appreciation for how clients feel getting those huge bills). You cannot waive support, child or spousal, as you will learn from your lawyer so there is no magic bullett. Divorce is not cheap, especailly where there is a disparity of income.
Finally, I urge you to reign in your staff before they alienate CebuLocal by trying to embroil him in a dispute in which he has never been invloved.
D.D. since there seems to be some discussion over going to Butuan, ive been there a few times let me tell you a few things about it. Best way to access if is by going to Cagayan de Oro. They have flights in from Manila. You then catch a bus (aircon) is about five hours. Not much in the way of hotels there, you might shell out P1000 for the best place in town. Cant recall the name of the hotel I stayed at something like the dynasty or whatever, white building with green chinese characters. As far as hotels go typical Philippines which means the cockroaches can carry you out the door, but they do have hot water and cable if I recall.
You usually have to get around by trisikad, not many taxis. The Bus stop you get off in is rather rough. I wouldn't worry too much about personal safety in that area of Mindanao but you might meet up with a pickpocket or snatcher at the terminal, plenty of 'em.
P.S. you and your lady might enjoy a trip to nearby Camuiguin Island, nice place.
regards
Spam hog
DD:
I never "advocated" that kickboxer go after you (I abhor violence), I merely noted that he would not need a weapon to hurt you (the guy is tough as nails depite being about 5'5").
Kickboxer would need no knife to tear you to shreds you old racist Don, even if you are a foot taller than he is. I'd like to see it, you in your Klan Robe all shiny White until it became a nice shade of crimson as he tore you to pieces. Sounds like a pay per view event MANY would enjoy watching. Hmmm.
Surfer, once again you have proven you are nothing but a two faced liar. YOU are the serial antagonist on this thread as you are in Colombia. Look, We understand you lost half your assets to a filipina you imported to the U.S., who married you only for a nice looking green card. We also understand you think this time you can find the "right" girl, if only this time you travel outside Manila. Go ahead, but don't take out your frustrations on the rest of us. Please post a field report next year after the 2nd filipina unpacks your saddlebags. I'm sure it will go something like this: "If only I were to have travelled deeper into the jungle I'm sure I could have found a girl to accept me for who I am." :)
SH, have you done a Camiguin report? I'd like to go there someday. I think GE (Davao) was planning to go there just before his injury, so we didn't get a report. Send us some info if you can...
X
D.D. since there seems to be some discussion over going to Butuan, ive been there a few times let me tell you a few things about it. Best way to access if is by going to Cagayan de Oro. They have flights in from Manila. You then catch a bus (aircon) is about five hours. Not much in the way of hotels there, you might shell out P1000 for the best place in town. Cant recall the name of the hotel I stayed at something like the dynasty or whatever, white building with green chinese characters. As far as hotels go typical Philippines which means the cockroaches can carry you out the door, but they do have hot water and cable if I recall.
You usually have to get around by trisikad, not many taxis. The Bus stop you get off in is rather rough. I wouldn't worry too much about personal safety in that area of Mindanao but you might meet up with a pickpocket or snatcher at the terminal, plenty of 'em.
P.S. you and your lady might enjoy a trip to nearby Camuiguin Island, nice place.
regards
Spam hog
Prov: Please show us ONE post where you have imparted information or posted a photo. Just 1. You have never posted anything besides attempts to stir up flame wars. You have been duly warned by jackson that the next incident would be your last. Seems like it is time for administrative action in which no "vote" is required.
How do you go about getting an international license to drive?
D.D. since there seems to be some discussion over going to Butuan, ive been there a few times let me tell you a few things about it. Best way to access if is by going to Cagayan de Oro. They have flights in from Manila. You then catch a bus (aircon) is about five hours. Not much in the way of hotels there, you might shell out P1000 for the best place in town. Cant recall the name of the hotel I stayed at something like the dynasty or whatever, white building with green chinese characters. As far as hotels go typical Philippines which means the cockroaches can carry you out the door, but they do have hot water and cable if I recall.
You usually have to get around by trisikad, not many taxis. The Bus stop you get off in is rather rough. I wouldn't worry too much about personal safety in that area of Mindanao but you might meet up with a pickpocket or snatcher at the terminal, plenty of 'em.
P.S. you and your lady might enjoy a trip to nearby Camuiguin Island, nice place.
regards
Spam hog
A couple of years ago I stayed at Almont Inland Resort. It cost something like 1000. It has nice grounds, a good pool and ok rooms. It's on the way out of town going towards the airport.
At the time there was a Cebu-Butuan flight but last year it was discontinued. I'm sure there are still Manila flights though. I plan on being there some time next month so I'll be able to report on any new hotels or flights
White Wolf
07-11-06, 18:28
How do you go about getting an international license to drive?
I guess that depends on where you are from. But for most countries an international drivers license is nothing but a translation of your original drivers license in a foreign language. For the Philippines I never needed one as they accepted my European driers license at all rental agencies.
If you are from the USA, Canada, Australia, or any first world country, the Philippines recognizes and accepts your country's Driver's License to drive in the Philippines, as will the car rental agencies. To confirm, ust the car rental agency. The question though, is: Do you really want to drive in the Philippines, and Can you drively safely in the Philippines?
Bill Buxton
07-11-06, 23:57
You can use your license from the stated I believe for 3 months after that you must get an international one.You can use the original from the states much longer say you went out of the country on business and just returned.They will never know.I can give you the name of a place to go and in a half hour a drug test and a box of chocolates have an international one.
All about who you know and peso- nality.Walk right past the COMMON people and straight to the supervisors office of the motor vehicles division.
Just like back home right.
B.B...
Dashing Don
07-12-06, 01:20
I'm in the Marriot in Cebu having just arrived by overnight ferry from Butuan.
Took a direct flight to Butuan from Manila. 41us. The Almont Hotel is supposed to be the best in town but has been closed for a year for renovation. So I stayed at the Almont 'Inland Resort' near the center. The same one that Mahku referred to. I got the 'matrimonial suite', which is the best in the hotel: a cabin in front of a spacious pool. $60 per night. But, they charge you up front and won't refund you. Nice place. Spacious and ok food.
Met some other caucasians here in the nearby Gaisano Mall. All were here to spend time with their wive's families. American, Canadian and Irish. The Irish guy married a nurse who works in a hospital in back of his house in County Cork. He couldn't believe the talent in PI.
There's nothing to do here but go to the mall. There's a nature preserve 70km south but no one has heard of it. The people look more indigenous here (sorry Surfer; thats code for being darker, and usually poorer).
Met the FH girl at the airport. She's not quite as pretty in person as on cam--one of the many things I have learned on this trip. Also, her English is less than proficient which means I have to repeat things and have difficulty communicating in general. Other than that, she is a fine person but I have given up any thoughts of going any further with this.
to be contd
GoodEnough
07-12-06, 01:24
How do you go about getting an international license to drive?
Go to any AAA office and show them your license, give them a picture and pay the fee. You will get the international license, which I have never found to be very helpful.
Here in the PI they will accept anything short of a birth certificate. Any European, US, Canadian, Japanese license will do. For those staying a bit longer, and who have an address that's other than a hotel, it's also fairly simple to arrange for a local license, which is what I use. It will take you about an hour's worth of hassle at the Land Transport Office, coping with the endless hoards of people.
Remember, if you're renting a car outside of Manila, most of the rentals here don't exactly conform to US/European standards, and you're likely to get something that's 5-6 years old and a bit banged up.
Driving here takes some getting used to. In Davao, for example, which is alleged to be the world's largest city, I have never seen a stop sign in my 3 years of driving around the city. There are only 4 or 5 traffic lights in the city, two of which actually work some of the time. No Filipino driver stops at any intersection for any reason and it's wise to always slow down and look. Traffic lanes are a Western concept that is not understood clearly here and right of way is not operational here, nor is the idea of "passing lane." Car lights are something to be switched on when the car is new, and before they've burned out. After that, forget it. Bicycle lights have not yet been discovered here, and I don't think I've ever seen one. As I think I've said before, if you're going to drive here, just assume that every driver within your immediate vision is about to do the most stupid, irrational thing you can imagine and then you drive to avoid their stupidity. You will rarely be disappionted, as Filipinos--otherwise the world's nicest people--do whatever they want to do, whenever they want to do it while behind the wheel.
All told though, if you survive the first 3-4 days, you begin to internalize their behavior so that you can anticipate it without conscious thought. Once this happens, you should be okay.
:D
GE
Dashing Don
07-12-06, 01:33
Cont'd.
The girl is a virgin and is determined to stay that way until marriage. She says that a lot of the girls in her town, nearby Bayugan, are like that. Its fine with me. She's with me here in Cebu but I'm not trying to take her 'flag' as virginity is know in these parts. The psychological and emotional reprecussions would appear to be too great and I can always get a working girl. I think SH referred to this in a mongering report he made a while ago. I feel the same way.
Her take on the internet dating thing is interesting and she's been quite frank. In the mall we met a middle-aged female who works in an internet cafe and helps girls who don't know english. If the girl gets the caucasian to send money, this 'internet mamasan' gets half.
Other stories about caucasians taking the 'flag' and taking off; getting girls pregnant and taking a powder; a ninteen year old who was pregnant with a filipino who took off, but who managed to 'bag' a 70yo Canadian who now lives in the village with her. Hilarious! A million stories about the Internet and caucasians. But a few things become obvious: that Filipinas make good wives and want to be good wives and mothers. That catching a caucasian is viewed very positively, so I assume that there are many more success stories than bad ones.
Probably, I'll look for 21yo+ girls who have a college degree and are thus better able to read and write english because for me, no matter how good looking the girl is, if you have to constantly repeat everything it gets tiring. I knew there was a problem when I found myself speaking broken English.
Thats all for now; more later,
Don
sh, have you done a camiguin report? i'd like to go there someday. i think ge (davao) was planning to go there just before his injury, so we didn't get a report. send us some info if you can...
x
x man its been awhile since i went to camuiguin. it is a great place if you want to tour, lots to do, climb a volcano, snokel in an underwater grave yard. (the have a real spooky grave yard on land, i mean skulls hanging from trees and stuff!) bathe inthe hot springs, some great diving. most of the "resorts" are small, family owned, a few by foreigners. it is not on the scale of boracay favored by the manila crowd. ihowever, there is not much inthe way of mongering. i did not see a "bar" or club on the island
and unless things have changed drastically in the past three years (which i doubt) i think this is a classic case of bringing your own. of course this is the "peens" and you can get lucky anywhere.
i think camiguin has the friendliest people in the islands.
spamhog
Save the time & $$ on the AAA International Drivers License for the PI. When I showed it the guy was like "what the heck is this" but was perfectly satisfied with my California DL. In fact, it HELPS to let them know you are American and there are not many countries left where that is the case.
Nissan rental (Blue And White) at NAIA used to have the best rates on the best cars. They also had an office next door to Heritage on Roxas. I even took a station wagon of theirs all the way around the loop on the Halesma Highway through Baguio, Banue and back to Cabanatuan City. Never tried to rent a car on Mindanao and often it is cheaper to hire the car WITH the driver (plus he provides a navigator, translator as well as some sense of security.
Surigao is WAY more Bundok than Butuan or CDO etc. Cebu has all the creature comforts and is a different World indeed.
If you cannot communicate with babae, it gets boring QUICK. There are some in Mindanao that speak great English, though less than Manila, Cebu etc. Often, the ones that speak TOO good English are to be scrutinized for how they got that proficiency.
First off, you CAN drive with a US drivers license for a limited time period IF you are on a Visa or within the "three week visit" catagory. Anything over that you NEED a license to drive AND you need a License to drive a motorcycle.
That said, I cant imagine why anyone would WANT to drive here. As far as renting cars go it is available in most major cities including Davao, Cebu as well as Manila, however consider this: If you break down, run out of gas have an accident, disble the car etc etc you are literally shit out of luck. No such thing as a tow truck here (Unless you are in Davao/Cebu where I know they have localized tow services.) I've regularly driven through Bukidnon from Davao to Cagayan/Kidapawan and never encounted a breakdown problem. If I did it might have taken days to get assistance, few gas stations, no tow services etc. What you have is some guy who fixes tires in a makshift "Vulcanizing' shop next to a sari sari store where they MIGHT have some gas or deisel in a family sized coke bottle. Depending on whats wrong with your vehicle and what make it is finding spare parts is a logistic nightmare.
I reference this as it seems DD is considering renting a car and driving about in norhtern Mindanao, perhaps from CDO to Butuan along the national highway. Consider what happens if you have a breakdown DD even a flat etc. It is not like a US interstate. You might be able to rent a vehicle in CDO but my strong advice is not to. Take the air con bus which is about P80, also at the Agora terminal are private vans who drive to and from Butuan (and other areas) these are L 300 jobs who wait until they get x amount of passengers going in a certain direction, fewer stops. Yes you could look into hiring a driver in Butuan but remember few taxi's.
Good luck
Spam hog
Fastpiston
07-13-06, 06:05
I too can't imagine why one wants to drive in Phils. Drivers are cheap. If a foreigner is doing the actual driving and has an accident, the whole neighborhood and family will all be out with their hands out claiming all sorts of damages.
Bill Buxton
07-14-06, 01:14
I too can't imagine why one wants to drive in Phils. Drivers are cheap. If a foreigner is doing the actual driving and has an accident, the whole neighborhood and family will all be out with their hands out claiming all sorts of damages.
This is true who do you think will get the money or charges from the accident.They money goes to the local and the rest to the foreigner.
When you can get a driver a car everything included for 6 dollars per hour why drive.Sit back and enjoy the view.Take victory liner it's safe comfortable and cheep.Hire a car or van,ten bucks goes a long way here.
B.B...
Cont'd.
Her take on the internet dating thing is interesting and she's been quite frank. In the mall we met a middle-aged female who works in an internet cafe and helps girls who don't know english. If the girl gets the caucasian to send money, this 'internet mamasan' gets half.
Don
I must say that I finally gave up on writing to the Philippinas because so many kept asking for money that it made me sick. After all, I had never even slept with them. I always asked them why they do not request money from rich men in their own country. The answer is that their people would drop kick them into the ocean, or worse. I tell them that not all Americans are rich and not all people in their country are poor. Logic to these girls is like trying to reason with a 3 year old.
Fortunately I work in the US with some educated Philippinas. They are nothing like the internet sharks. It is like the difference between a ghetto hustler and a Harvard graduate. So there are many good people from the Philippines. Most of them are not on the internet begging Americans for money simply for talking with them.
It makes me respect the P4P girls there. At least you get sex for your pesos with them.
I'm going to Butaan airport, last time a taxi droped me off in Gingoog city and that was the last I saw of a taxi, so my wife family held me like a hostage cuz I was not married at the time and she was a virgin. I've heard different stories that I needed international liscense and I don't want any problems, I would have to stay at a resort and there is only one there to use their hotel taxi. Anyway I was quite pleased marring the wife, have had other virgins before but she was exceptional. I have rented motorbikes before and could'nt find any in Gingoog.
I enjoy reading your interesting posts. Very much appreciated. Thank you.
Hello everyone,
It's been a long time since I posted and since I've been on the board. About 2 years ago I believe.
Anyway, last time I was here, I asked about putting a girl through college, well she finally graduated as a nurse and will be going to the US to work.
My next "project" is to setup a business for a girl that I met 2 years ago. I know what some are thinking, girls scam guys all the time. I know, I know, I'm not stupid. I don't love the girl, I have real no interest in her nor wish to bang her. I just have this crazy savior complex where I try to help people out. Anyway, I met her 2 years ago, when she was working at a boutique store at the mall. What happened was I tried to pick her up and we ended up going out. Later I find out she's a virgin, I checked, and we just remained friends. We kept in contact and I went to see her a couple of months ago, she was working at another store since her contract with that store ran out. Anyway, I wanted to see, if she was a bullshitter or not because the 2 years since we met, she swears she's still a virgin and was always busy working. I'm a sick guy but I check again and it's legit. So I don't know why, I just want to help her out. I have no desire to screw her nor marry her etc. etc. Just want to help out.
Are there any recommendations for a simple business that can be setup for someone to run. She's seems to be pretty smart and saves well. She makes 5000p a month working but saved up a decent amount of it, when she showed me her bank statement.
I was thinking of a internet cafe in a province somewhere, doesn't need to make much money, I figure even a 5000p profit a month is better for her than busting her hump at a store for 6 days a week.
Any advice appreciated.
Mook
Travel Dog
07-15-06, 11:50
Mook
You should change your name to monk! You're a better man than me, and most of the guys here.
TD
Dashing Don
07-16-06, 08:39
I'm back in Makati after a sexless week in Butuan, Cebu and Panglao Island and am making up for lost time.
Some impressions:
Butuan has nothing going for it and the only foreigners there are those that are accompanying their Filipino wives. It was my birthday during my two days there and I wanted to go to a restaurant and get a decent bottle of wine and have fun. My 'future wife' had no clue where to go so we jumped into a trike and asked the driver for his suggestions. Now this trike was literally falling apart with holes in the floor, tilted at a 45 degree angle, and it would sway from side to side as we went along. The 50cc or so engine couldn't manage more than 10mph and the smoke and smell was something awful. At one point there was a loud bang as we hit a huge pothole and suddenly we were airborne. Thats when I figured out what the piece of fucking rebar was doing, sticking out of the roof of the cab. You're supposed to hold on to it when the trike hits a pothole.
After about a half hour, we pull up in front of a dimly-lit place with a sign saying 'all you can eat--100pesos'. What the fuck! Told the driver to take us to McDonalds, quick. So I ended up celebrating my birthday with a McFish.
A few days later, we took the ferry from Butuan (Nasipit) to Cebu. 10 hours overnight. For 30us, we had a stateroom which was as big as a hotel room with aircon, tv, shower, minibar etc. Very nice. The hordes were up top in these little boxes and communal toilets. Smooth pleasant ride.
Cebu:
Second time here. I like this town. We stayed in the Marriot and traversed the Lahug-Osmena Circle-Port axis and I must say that it seemed much better run than Manila. More green; less poverty; and new buildings going up. It seemed like it was on the move.
Ayala Mall is as nice a mall as any I've seen in the states. We also hit the girly bars; Dimples; Black Hole?; and Silver Dollar. And later the Sunflower Disco but by now I was drunk. I liked the laid back feel of the Dollar but didn't barfine anyone because of the young girl that was with me.
Panglao Island:
A two-hour ferry ride from Cebu takes you to Tagbilaran, Bohol and from there a half hour taxi ride to the resorts on Panglao. We stayed at Bohol Beach Resort a spacious place with a lot of frontage on a nice beach. Food was wack though. Best food is at Alona Palm Resort which is Swiss/German run. Great food there.
Rented a powerboat to go snorkelling at Balincasag Island, about 45 minutes away from Panglao. Great snorkelling and Im sure great diving as there was a 150 foot wall just a few yards offshore. Than back to Manila.
Everywhere we went, the patience, good humor and friendliness of the Filipinos was key to the nice time we had. If we were in the wrong shipping office, the staff would call and or direct us to the right one. Going in the wrong direction? Complete strangers would walk us a whole block to set us straight.
A ready smile or nod of the head will get you far in the PI. Start demanding your 'rights' and I'm not sure what will happen. Probably at the very least, there will be a long wait. The Filipinos are always ready to have a joke and are a lot of fun.
All thoughts of getting married disappeared about 10 minutes after I met my internet girl. She just wasn't as attractive in person and bad breath cannot be detected over the internet. I had promised to take her around and I followed through, buying her stuff etc. We had a good time but its great to get back to Manila and all that well-dressed pussy. I'm going to have to rethink this marriage thing. Maybe I'm just a monger at heart. Thats what my ex says. Not only that, she says that all my friends are mongers and that I consider non-mongers to be pussies.
Now that girl knows a thing or two.
Don
Hello everyone,
It's been a long time since I posted and since I've been on the board. About 2 years ago I believe.
Anyway, last time I was here, I asked about putting a girl through college, well she finally graduated as a nurse and will be going to the US to work.
My next "project" is to setup a business for a girl that I met 2 years ago. I know what some are thinking, girls scam guys all the time. I know, I know, I'm not stupid. I don't love the girl, I have real no interest in her nor wish to bang her. I just have this crazy savior complex where I try to help people out. Anyway, I met her 2 years ago, when she was working at a boutique store at the mall. What happened was I tried to pick her up and we ended up going out. Later I find out she's a virgin, I checked, and we just remained friends. We kept in contact and I went to see her a couple of months ago, she was working at another store since her contract with that store ran out. Anyway, I wanted to see, if she was a bullshitter or not because the 2 years since we met, she swears she's still a virgin and was always busy working. I'm a sick guy but I check again and it's legit. So I don't know why, I just want to help her out. I have no desire to screw her nor marry her etc. etc. Just want to help out.
Are there any recommendations for a simple business that can be setup for someone to run. She's seems to be pretty smart and saves well. She makes 5000p a month working but saved up a decent amount of it, when she showed me her bank statement.
I was thinking of a internet cafe in a province somewhere, doesn't need to make much money, I figure even a 5000p profit a month is better for her than busting her hump at a store for 6 days a week.
Any advice appreciated.
Mook
Mook, I weould seriously NOT persue the INTERNET idea, lots of start up capitol, high maintainance, which I doubt she has the technical expertise for so she will have to hire a "Tech" who will rob her blind. Two suggestions follow
Have her go into the "Ukay Ukay" business literally translated it means bargain and indicates a second hand clothing store. You indicate she has some experience in this so she should be able to get business license etc for her shop. If she makes it she could branch out into a retail clothing outlet/boutique, buy stuff from Thailand or Hong kong (china) if she has the contacts.
Second I would look into a retail shop selling all kinds of cards ie cell phone, internet, cell phone covers, accessories, Pasa load etc. Lots of such little businesses here and these places do okay.
Good luck
Spam Hog
After mulling it over, I think I'll just send her to nursing school. The internet cafe does sound hard with all the things that can go wrong.
The girl I sent through nursing school went to de la salle university in manila but she attened nursing school previously but left because of financial hardships. This new girl never went to school before but did graduate high school but I have a feeling it'll be hard to get her into school.
I don't know if this is accurate but I've heard from some filipino friend here in the states that they can first go to be a nurses assistant and then try to be a nurse.
I'll be heading over to the PI end of august, drop me a pm for some SM's.
Mook
Senator Don, sorry to hear your trip to Butuan was not too sucessful. I know what you mean with the bad breath. That's a real turn off in my book. They say things happen for a reason.. I think you should consider yourself lucky and get back to the job at hand which is to bang beaver in Manila.
You need to stop listening to that nonsense from people like [Deleted by Admin] Surfer. He'll try and convince you the real quality is in the boondocks. I say Bullshit. This is the same [Deleted by Admin] who will tell you he was listening to your favorite band before they went "commercial".
Anyway, thanks for taking one for the team as I am sure Butuan is a place I need not vist.
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Dashing Don
07-18-06, 00:32
Have to agree about Surfer. Generally, Surfer's posts are noteworthy only for their ability to induce a sudden and uncontrollable bowel movement in the unwary reader. Lately he's been smoking even more weed and has been relentlessly pushing the 'pure monger' thang.
The 'pure monger' ventures into parts unknown, mostly in Mindy, to discover the mythical female El Dorado, where the girls are pure and a monger like Surfer can romp with these nymphs, without being interrupted by crass, pay-to-play types like ourselves.
Guess what? It dont exist! The Mindy girls are likely to be darker, less educated and probably more traditional.....(read) harder to bang. Throw in the lower standard of living and what have you got........just another pipe dream from Surfer.
Don
Don wrote:
"The 'pure monger' ventures into parts unknown, mostly in Mindy, to discover the mythical female El Dorado, where the girls are pure and a monger like Surfer can romp with these nymphs, without being interrupted by crass, pay-to-play types like ourselves."
EXACTLY! This is the first intelligent thing you have ever posted here Don. I am impressed that you can be so eloquent.
Don wrote:
"Guess what? It dont exist!"
Despite the poor grammar, again Don hits the nail on the head! It does NOT exist, so why bother searching? Better to stick to known quantities like EDSA complex and Angeles.
You see Don, we CAN agree on something! And if you will stick to telling all how great Manila and Angeles are, then we will get along just fine (and I will even cease commenting when you post racial stereotypes!).
Dashing Don
07-18-06, 04:00
Its true that in the Peninsula Hotel where I am a frequent guest, I am registered as Senator. When one reserves online, there is a choice; admiral, vice-president etc. On a whim, I chose 'senator'. But thats not the whole story.
In order for the staff to believe that you actually are a Senator, you must come across as one. Good looks? They certainly help. But also, a certain....patrician air, shall we say? A sense of self. A presence? Yes, I would say all of that. For sure, when I enter for breakfast, and the female staff twitter among themselves 'its the Senator', and then to me, 'Good morning Senator', I feel at one with the world.
Contrast that with Surfer's entrance into the Peninsula:
Wearing: A filthy LL Bean tshirt with yesterday's alfalfa sprouts on it; a Roll-ur-Own pack dangling from his tattered jeans; 'Peace Now' buttons on his flak jacket, which is emblazoned with the message 'Im a brotha too'. The unwashed smell and the 10' surfboard round out this rude and unwelcome intrusion, leading to.........................the bellboy shouting!
I knew Senators, and Surfer, you ain't no Senator!!!!!!!!!
Don
No Nonesense
07-18-06, 04:17
Hi Don,
Going through your posts you are alway's writing derogatory comments against Surfer. How does the moderator continue to let this happen as Surfer is a great contributor with many valuable reports?. Every report you write it seems to have a flame directed at this man.
GoodEnough
07-18-06, 11:26
Don wrote:
"The 'pure monger' ventures into parts unknown, mostly in Mindy, to discover the mythical female El Dorado, where the girls are pure and a monger like Surfer can romp with these nymphs, without being interrupted by crass, pay-to-play types like ourselves."
EXACTLY! This is the first intelligent thing you have ever posted here Don. I am impressed that you can be so eloquent.
Don wrote:
"Guess what? It dont exist!"
Despite the poor grammar, again Don hits the nail on the head! It does NOT exist, so why bother searching? Better to stick to known quantities like EDSA complex and Angeles.
You see Don, we CAN agree on something! And if you will stick to telling all how great Manila and Angeles are, then we will get along just fine (and I will even cease commenting when you post racial stereotypes!).
But surely gentlemen, it's the journey (or the quest if you will) that counts. Not the actual destination. The fun is in the looking, the constant searching, and that quiet feeling of total (almsot total) satisfaction when it appears you may have found the perfect creature. The fact that you haven't is irrelevant because, someday you might.
Bill Buxton
07-18-06, 11:26
Whats this about????? Lets talk about the facts at hand. Why all the self richeous bula??Remember you all tell me the same lets get back to topics not shit like this...
He: A dude from Las Vegas. 39. Divorced with kids. Average looks. This is his first trip out of the US.
She: 24. In Manila for a year now via Cebu and Zamboanga Norte. Well-educated and used to manage a Chow King outlet. Had some physical encounters with Mahku a couple of years ago but it's now settled into a 'just friends' status. She's been engaged twice already, both times to guys that she chatted with for few months and met once for about a week. But, surprise surprise, they didn't end up working out.
He and she have been chatting for about a month. He arrived here in Manila at 4 am this morning. I got a text from her at about 11 am. They're now engaged. Who needs to visit the looney bin when you can mingle with people like this?
Mahku, you always have something interesting to say.
First, what flight would put you in Manila at 4am? Maybe she met him at LA cafe at 4am?
Second, "engagement"? Twenty five years ago when I first went to the Philippines I learned the married tonight, divorced tomorrow routine.
Well, I wish the couple the best of luck.
X
After spending 6 weeks in the Phils, I came away with some girls to stay in touch with while I'm away. I've noticed since my last day in the Phils that my favourite of these (from Manila/Pasay) is very jealous. Maybe to the point where I might not want to stay with her. My brother who lives in Asia tells me this is common behaviour among most filipinas. I met a couple of girls in Cebu that I am staying in touch with as well and they seem less so.
Brother has been married to a Thai girl for several years, he thinks they're much better in this regard than filipinas. I didn't spend nearly as much time in BKK as I did in Manila and most of that was with BG's.
Any long-time expats want to comment on this?
It's the PAL flight from Vancouver, which arrives at 4:10 am. I was afraid for the poor guy having his first international trip being a Manila arrival at that hour, with all the taxi barracudas and what not. I thought of offering to go meet him but I had other fish to fu-, er...fry.
I thought of sending her a message today saying, 'So I guess you probably broke up and you got engaged to the next guy...' but thought better of it.
I wish them luck and hope for the best also, but I've seen way too many of these cases to be optimistic.
Mahku, you always have something interesting to say.
First, what flight would put you in Manila at 4am? Maybe she met him at LA cafe at 4am?
Second, "engagement"? Twenty five years ago when I first went to the Philippines I learned the married tonight, divorced tomorrow routine.
Well, I wish the couple the best of luck.
X
Bear Foxtrot
09-07-06, 13:43
OK, so here's the story... My girlfriend in Manila was a dancer at a club. They let her go because of her age (she's in her mid- to late 30s, depending on how you classify it); however she still loves and wants to dance. For my part, I just want for her to be happy in what she's doing. Unfortunately though, due to her age, it seems as if not many bars/clubs will give her a chance or hire her because of her age. That being said, can any of you guys recommend to me or refer me to any bars/clubs that could or would hire a talented dancer, regardless of the fact that she's a little older than the other girls? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I'm pretty much in over my head with this one.
Cebu Local
09-08-06, 00:05
OK, so here's the story... My girlfriend in Manila was a dancer at a club. They let her go because of her age (she's in her mid- to late 30s, depending on how you classify it); however she still loves and wants to dance. For my part, I just want for her to be happy in what she's doing. Unfortunately though, due to her age, it seems as if not many bars/clubs will give her a chance or hire her because of her age. That being said, can any of you guys recommend to me or refer me to any bars/clubs that could or would hire a talented dancer, regardless of the fact that she's a little older than the other girls? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I'm pretty much in over my head with this one.No that is overage by local standards,She can try being a dance instructor or you just have to support your own private dancer.She will not be able to get a job,Routinely even in normal companies people over 35 are not hired.They are considered over the hill
Bear Foxtrot
09-08-06, 11:22
No that is overage by local standards,She can try being a dance instructor or you just have to support your own private dancer.She will not be able to get a job,Routinely even in normal companies people over 35 are not hired.They are considered over the hill
So about the only option left is streetwalker huh?
One of the most prolific and well-informed posters on this list give you an answer, a bit blunt, but very accurate -- and you respond like that?
Okay, here are some more anwers....that everyone would assume you've already comtemplated...
Send her enough to survive...afer all, she IS your "girlfriend". Better yet, marry her. Marry her, and pimp here...hell, that's better than what you suggested in your last post!
Help her start a business. Sari sari stores are cheap. An Internet cafe might have more potential. A dance bar would be better yet!
Hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
X
Cebu Local
09-08-06, 14:28
So about the only option left is streetwalker huh?
Sorry to be blunt but Unless She is in Junquera Street in Cebu or Sta Cruz in Manila.,Where FS is about 500 pesos,She is also too old for that.Most of clubs are owned by people like "Earl" or "Dave" in Burgos or the KTV s like Pegasus are owned by Uptrend and they do not hire girls over 30.If you care to confirm this I can post the tel nos of the clubs so that you can confirm this policy.Sad,But thats the truth
Soju Lizard
09-08-06, 20:49
That being said, can any of you guys recommend to me or refer me to any bars/clubs that could or would hire a talented dancer, regardless of the fact that she's a little older than the other girls? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I'm pretty much in over my head with this one.Are you trying to get your girl a job as a GRO? Now I've heard everything. LOL.
Being a local, she should know how things work there. Being let go because she reached her retirement age should not have been a surprise to her. Why don't you suggest she shoot for a mamasan job? Some of the younger mamasans do barfines too if you guys need the extra cash. Course they can't leave the bar until the bar closes for the night but that's only a slight inconvenience for a true mongerer. My buddy tagged a nice 40ish mamasan in Burgos on our last visit back in Feb. He said she nearly broke his back. There's always jobs available for talented girls in the PI. And if she's the mamasan, nobody is gonna tell her she can't get up and dance when the mood hits her.
I want to get my fave pinay more of a particular mineral supplement to help a health condition she has (not an STD, I can tell you that much). While I was in the Phils last month, I found this supplement to be very expensive there, definitely more expensive than in the US. I'm in the US now: I actually found it even cheaper on the web than in my favourite store. I will have the vendor ship to me since they have free shipping on orders above a certain figure so I would just add my own items to the order.
Questions for the old hands here is:
- What's the best way to get it to her?
- How would I find out how much are the customs duties?
- How to handle paying for the customs duties? It's not likely she'll have enough money to cover that, but I'm sort of against giving her cash directly...
Salamat
Cebu Local
09-11-06, 00:04
I want to get my fave pinay more of a particular mineral supplement to help a health condition she has (not an STD, I can tell you that much). While I was in the Phils last month, I found this supplement to be very expensive there, definitely more expensive than in the US. I'm in the US now: I actually found it even cheaper on the web than in my favourite store. I will have the vendor ship to me since they have free shipping on orders above a certain figure so I would just add my own items to the order.
Questions for the old hands here is:
- What's the best way to get it to her?
- How would I find out how much are the customs duties?
- How to handle paying for the customs duties? It's not likely she'll have enough money to cover that, but I'm sort of against giving her cash directly...
SalamatThis is a door to door service which generally is used by Filipinos all over the U.S and Canada.It generally does not pay taxes.If your city has no Johnny Air Cargo,Ask any Pinoy,Send it but declare it as product sample so that there is no duty,Do not have the company ship it directly since they would declare it as an order.Hope this helps Cheers
Fog Ducker
09-11-06, 00:50
This is a door to door service which generally is used by Filipinos all over the U.S and Canada.It generally does not pay taxes.If your city has no Johnny Air Cargo,Ask any Pinoy,Throughout the US and Canada Filipino's send these Balikbayan boxes loaded with corn beef, spam, etc to the PI. These are cheap door to door services and the boxes usually come in 3 sizes. The smallest is about 12 x 12 x 18 and will cost about $20 to send. There is no tax, dutiy, etc. You could fill the rest of the box with shampoo, soap, chocolate, etc which your honeyko will appreciate.
Like CL says, if no Johnny Air Cargo there will be other like companies. Just find your local Filipino community and go to any of the stores in the area and ask.
I sent federal express but it is very expensive. 100 dollars for 3 lbs + 40 for duties. You must tell fed express you will be responsible for the fees and must open an account with fed express
However, my advice: do not send anything to philippinas. They will be use it to be more beautiful for their pinoy boyfriends. Dont have philippina girlfriend, they will cheat on you.
I want to get my fave pinay more of a particular mineral supplement to help a health condition she has (not an STD, I can tell you that much). While I was in the Phils last month, I found this supplement to be very expensive there, definitely more expensive than in the US. I'm in the US now: I actually found it even cheaper on the web than in my favourite store. I will have the vendor ship to me since they have free shipping on orders above a certain figure so I would just add my own items to the order.
Questions for the old hands here is:
- What's the best way to get it to her?
- How would I find out how much are the customs duties?
- How to handle paying for the customs duties? It's not likely she'll have enough money to cover that, but I'm sort of against giving her cash directly...
Salamat
Thanks for the feedback, especially yours Andresb. I've had a couple of requests for money from other filipinas since I left. Those got turned down flat, I'm not going to do that for anyone there. But the one I'm doing this nutritional supplement thing for seems OK. I know, I know what everyone is saying, heck I don't trust the word "seems". I can say she has not shown any interest in my money so far. Guess we'll see how long that lasts if she is indeed a predator in sheep's clothing. In the meantime, it's not a big deal to my cash flow to do this once or twice until her condition gets better. If it doesn't get better in that time, then it's more than I can handle anyway and I won't take it any further.
In the meantime, I found Johnny Air Cargo here: http://www.johnnyair.com/home.htm. I'm in the Los Angeles area so I can check them out. The website appears to say that the balikbayan boxes go via ocean cargo ships so they'll take 30-45 days to deliver, that's why the shipping would be so cheap for that.
If this girl is making you happy then go ahead and do whatever you feel like doing. Don't let negative thoughts get in the way of a beautiful friendship. There is an old cliche that has been around for many years that states " a few bad apples on a tree does not make the rest of them bad" and this applies to life as well. I have had many beautiful filipina friends through the years that are very loving and trustworthy, so do not let a few bad apples out there ruin a possible long term friendship for you. Judge them all on a individual basis just like you would want them to look at you. You have very little to lose and everything to gain. The most I see you losing is some time and a little money, big deal. IMHO
Bear Foxtrot
09-15-06, 22:52
One of the most prolific and well-informed posters on this list give you an answer, a bit blunt, but very accurate -- and you respond like that?
Okay, here are some more anwers....that everyone would assume you've already comtemplated...
Send her enough to survive...afer all, she IS your "girlfriend". Better yet, marry her. Marry her, and pimp here...hell, that's better than what you suggested in your last post!
Help her start a business. Sari sari stores are cheap. An Internet cafe might have more potential. A dance bar would be better yet!
Hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
X
do you think she could still make it as a dancer in the US? There's some big name clubs where I live, also some other lower-key presentable but shabby ones...what do you think her chances would be?
You'd have to marry her to get her here (or bring her as a fiance and marry within 90 days), if she passed the interview. I'd forget that approach.
SixteenVolt182
09-21-06, 23:14
I am comming to Manila in Oct, there is a girl that wants to come see me from Angeles city. I want to meet her, to see if I like her. But if I don't like her, I don't want to spend the rest of my vacation with her. Does anyone have any advice on getting rid of her if I don't like her. I don't want to be mean to her, but I also don't want to spend the whole week with a girl I don't really like.
Thanks for any advice
I am comming to Manila in Oct, there is a girl that wants to come see me from Angeles city. I want to meet her, to see if I like her. But if I don't like her, I don't want to spend the rest of my vacation with her. Does anyone have any advice on getting rid of her if I don't like her. I don't want to be mean to her, but I also don't want to spend the whole week with a girl I don't really like.
Thanks for any advice
Be Honest and tell her upfront when you meet her, thats my advice, when you meet her just tell her that you are going to be careful and take things slow with any potential girlfriend, let her know you are NOT a fool to "fall in love" with the first girl you meet (her) and you are being honest with her, tell her you do not want to make a mistake or her part or on yours, if it works, fine if it doesn't it is best if both She and You concentrate on other potential mates. Also you can assuage her feelings should you give her the boot by making sure she has enough money to return to her province, buy her a first class bus ticket, give her a little extra for food, a taxi whatever etc.
These girls understand brutal honesty and they respect a decisive man and an honest one, lie to her & that will injure her more, also by meeting your obligations and responsibilty by seeing that she gets back home okay you have done what an honorable man should.
Good Luck
Spamhog
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