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I haven't been to the PI yet, but have a trip planned for October. Just a question for the guys dealing with situations involving pregnant chicks or accusations of pregnancy. With so much barebacking in AC, there is always a risk. Why not just give a false name? Are there problems with this? Does the Hotel keep a log of comings and goings that the girl could get ahold of in a paternity situation. Just curious when setting up my strategy for whether to use an assumed name while I am there.
Thanks,
Shadowj
Cebu Local
09-24-06, 07:33
I haven't been to the PI yet, but have a trip planned for October. Just a question for the guys dealing with situations involving pregnant chicks or accusations of pregnancy. With so much barebacking in AC, there is always a risk. Why not just give a false name? Are there problems with this? Does the Hotel keep a log of comings and goings that the girl could get ahold of in a paternity situation. Just curious when setting up my strategy for whether to use an assumed name while I am there.
Thanks,
ShadowjRegulations require foriegners to register with passports,But this can be dispensed with.No hotels do not keep logs of coming and goings, use an assumed name If that is your preference.Personally You should not run away from your responsibilities
I haven't been to the PI yet, but have a trip planned for October. Just a question for the guys dealing with situations involving pregnant chicks or accusations of pregnancy. With so much barebacking in AC, there is always a risk. Why not just give a false name? Are there problems with this? Does the Hotel keep a log of comings and goings that the girl could get ahold of in a paternity situation. Just curious when setting up my strategy for whether to use an assumed name while I am there.
Thanks,
Shadowj
Most hotels require that you register with your passport and also a credit card in case you bust the place up so I wouldn't be using any false ID connected with my credit card which can really foul things up for you down the road, remember, if they want you bad enough they can always go to the police/immigration and track you that way.
They do have paternity testing here in the PI and of course in any situation I would demand proof of the results of such test should a female make that accusation. Most filipinos wont submit to them due to the cost and bureacracy involved.
I would be VERY careful of barebacking in any situation. The PI has no where near the AIDES cases Thailand does, but Manila and of course Angeles is the highest ratio. Interesting to note that in the provinces especially Davao, cagayan de oro etc, almost no Aides cases HOWEVER many cases of Syphyllis. Lots of the "Ahkyat Barko" (Ship hopper) girls carry this, get it from the merchant seamen.
Spamhog
Dragon Slayer
09-27-06, 08:55
Pals,
Rookies never cease to amaze me. Why ponder such foolish matters as fake IDs and using a phony name to register? Why NOT simply use a condom. Fucking the pros without it is definitely stupid. End of Story.
As to getting a woman pregnant. If you do not have the human decency to own up to what you did. you are a fucking, pathetic coward. It bothers me that Cebulocal should encourage such activity. Then again, perhaps it should NOT bother me. I have to be more carefl who I choose for friends in the future. Something GoodEnough and I discussed only a few days ago.
Dragon Slayer
Leeman1234
09-28-06, 21:46
Pals,
Rookies never cease to amaze me. Why ponder such foolish matters as fake IDs and using a phony name to register? Why NOT simply use a condom. Fucking the pros without it is definitely stupid. End of Story.
As to getting a woman pregnant. If you do not have the human decency to own up to what you did. you are a fucking, pathetic coward. It bothers me that Cebulocal should encourage such activity. Then again, perhaps it should NOT bother me. I have to be more carefl who I choose for friends in the future. Something GoodEnough and I discussed only a few days ago.
Dragon SlayerYup I totally agreed with ya bro! Bareback will kill you one day worst make the working ladies pregnant!
Well maybe its cheap and fucking good to all whites! Poor these ladies!
Cebu Local
09-29-06, 13:20
Pals,
Rookies never cease to amaze me. Why ponder such foolish matters as fake IDs and using a phony name to register? Why NOT simply use a condom. Fucking the pros without it is definitely stupid. End of Story.
As to getting a woman pregnant. If you do not have the human decency to own up to what you did. you are a fucking, pathetic coward. It bothers me that Cebulocal should encourage such activity. Then again, perhaps it should NOT bother me. I have to be more carefl who I choose for friends in the future. Something GoodEnough and I discussed only a few days ago.
Dragon SlayerDS
Unfortunately You misunderstood my post,I do not encourage Barebacking and running away from your responsibilities.I am hurt you would think of me endorsing that behavior,I simply told him that Some hotels do not require Passports and Registration,If he chooses to do so.Think of me as the Nuetral Travel Agent who doesnt judge you even I disagree with what you are doing.Hopefully that issue is clear.I have modified my advice accordingly.Cheers
You got a bonus! You found the only one! I'm not sure what I'd do if I ever encountered a *real* virgin.Hehe. My wife still had an intact hymen when she married me...dunno what your definition of 'virgin' is.
I've found there are plenty of decent Phillipina girls here who wait for the 'right guy' to get married. Maybe you're looking in the wrong places.
In a catholic country where virginity (or at least modesty) is still an admired attribute, the women you meet in bars have abandoned their morals to survive. Enjoy them but don't denigrate them for it.
I hate it when guys go to another country, bang a few hookers & suddenly they're an authority on the all the women in that country.
I agree with Amavida. I've met hundreds of Filipinas, got to know maybe 50 well enough to make a judgement call and 49 were fine, #50 was a little bit of a scammer (believe that her friends put her up to it), but she travelled from CDO to Davao to meet me and then back on the bus to CDO, so maybe she was OK also.
HWB & A: I agree with both of you that for every scammer there are lots of sweet girls just looking for a decent BF. If you compare the percentage of scammers among Filipinas looking for a foreign BF to the percenatage of guys going to the PI for sex who scam the girls . . . . .
IMHO certain members here have their own agendas, hence one needs to take BOTH the positive posts and the negative ones with a grain of salt.
gentlemen we all talk about the scammers and rip off artists working the internet etc. however the other edge of the sword is that MANY decent ladies are on(and off) the internet and genuinely looking to meet a decent foreigner. By this they mean somebody who is not a dedicated monger, drunken bum who likes to beat the crap out of his women. Good luck Baby!
I've known lots of "nice girls" who were sorely frustrated after scouring the internet and meeting guys who ask them to show themselves or talk dirty while they jerk off. These ladies usually ask me or Mrs Spamhog to find them a nice guy...I give my standard answer, "I don't know any nice guys". (myself included)
As far as the "virginity" thing goes I suppose there is a happy medium, many Filipinas espouse virtue but the honest ones will tell you the truth about her sexual history, give me an honest woman any day, virgin or not.
Good luck & happy mongering
Spamhog
Yes I have to agree with you spam hog, I think there is a great deal of girls even in ac who have been severely burned by foreigners like me!
The trouble with me is I like to fall in love, but with 5 or 6 or more girls at the same time! As we all know if they think you are their boyfrend, well this opens it up for mind blowing sex all positions, and bare back come inside.
Yes there are some serial scammers out there, but in the main I think us foreigners are to blame, I mean the phills is like fucking disney land, so if these girls meet hardened mongers like me they have no chance, as I will lie, cheat, do anything to get that mind blowing sex.
Taipei Traveller
01-19-07, 05:38
Some have big agendas and some have small agendas. However, most Filipinas agree that the SIZE of the agenda DOES MATTER.
Guinness
Unless of course you are like Guinness and have no agenda, where absence is even more sorely missed than having a small agenda
Yes there are some serial scammers out there, but in the main I think us foreigners are to blame, I mean the phills is like fucking disney land, so if these girls meet hardened mongers like me they have no chance, as I will lie, cheat, do anything to get that mind blowing sex.
Speak for yourself. You are the kind of slime that give real men a bad name.
Interesting. I'm middle aged, bald, beer belly, only a moderate income, yet I get mind blowing sex (with p4p AND regular women) without misleading anyone. I can only guess you are one horrifically ugly guy.
No, even if I was dog ugly, I wouldn't lie. Just isn't necessary. I suspect you have some personality flaw.
X
I will lie, cheat, do anything to get that mind blowing sex.
Pete The Beat
01-20-07, 11:37
The attitude i take after 2 trips to phils and a couple of filipina gfs here in australia is that its all a game and you win some, lose some, but there's always another little honey waiting in the wings. The stories they come up with and the variations on the same theme have to be almost admired. If you get sucked into their pleas for money over the net or after meeting them personally, well, bad luck for you, just learn from your mistakes.
What keeps us coming back is they are so cute, so good and willing in bed and by and large, so cheap. Beats the shit out of breaking your balls over aussie or american women who are control freaks, want everything off you and are older, not as good in bed, not as naturally attractive generally, and if you marry them and it doesn't work out, will take you for everything.
Whats better? Some cute little filipina asking you for $50 for some imagined sick relative, or some over made up, middle aged aussie chick with baggage from previous relationships, expecting you to wine and dine her for weeks or months even on a slight promise of some cold pussy if she feels like it?
I know there are some horror stories of guys marrying their little honeyko and then having her dash off as soon as she gets her visa etc, but most of the time the guy should have seen it coming and only has himself to blame. If he is honest with himself and looks back he will know the stories that didn't add up but he chose to ignore them. Love is blind!
I know what keeps me working 6 days a week for 11 months of the year is that I will be in Manila at New Year bedding an assortment of young, very willing and sensual partners that will cost me a fraction of what it would at home and will leave me feeling as good as gold.
Maybe one day I will get sick of the assortment and settle for just one, but until then I will enjoy their games and assess each story on its merits and watch my own back.
Until then I say: Each to their own, treat each lady with respect, wear a condom, beware of the scams, but love the phils!!
Cheers,
Pete
Country Club
01-21-07, 08:13
Hi Guys,
I've been a reader for years and posted a few in the USA guide. I am heading over to AC for the first time in March and have a few questions. Didn't know whether to put this here or in the general AC section. Anyways, here is my situation. I have been talking to my AC "gf" since last May via YM and phone. I have a exporting business I started over there and have been able to trust her with large amounts of money. She has been more on top of it than I have, giving me reciepts and expense reports without me even asking. She has never asked me for money for a "sick" grandma or for anything really. Any money that I've ever given her has been work related. Overall she is great and a sweetheart, nothing to ever make me doubt her feelings. Now here is my dilemma, I am going to AC and want to have fun for a few days before I meet up with her. She lives in Mabacalat which is the municipality next to AC. She says she hardly goes into AC if ever. My question is how small or big is AC in general, like if I go BFing for the first 5 days is there a chance she may hear about it in the next municipality over? If I had a relative sense of how big AC is, I would have a better idea. Or even if you have advice if you were in this similar situation. Thanks guys.
Hi Guys,
I've been a reader for years and posted a few in the USA guide. I am heading over to AC for the first time in March and have a few questions. Didn't know whether to put this here or in the general AC section. Anyways, here is my situation. I have been talking to my AC "gf" since last May via YM and phone. I have a exporting business I started over there and have been able to trust her with large amounts of money. She has been more on top of it than I have, giving me reciepts and expense reports without me even asking. She has never asked me for money for a "sick" grandma or for anything really. Any money that I've ever given her has been work related. Overall she is great and a sweetheart, nothing to ever make me doubt her feelings. Now here is my dilemma, I am going to AC and want to have fun for a few days before I meet up with her. She lives in Mabacalat which is the municipality next to AC. She says she hardly goes into AC if ever. My question is how small or big is AC in general, like if I go BFing for the first 5 days is there a chance she may hear about it in the next municipality over? If I had a relative sense of how big AC is, I would have a better idea. Or even if you have advice if you were in this similar situation. Thanks guys.
Why risk the chance? I wouldn't. The saying "It's A Small World" would definitely apply... especially in the Philippines. Somebody probably knows someone who knows someone who knows your Girlfriend. It's very likely that she might find out that you were in the Philippines for 5 days before you made your presence known to her. If I were you... I would go to Manila or Cebu... just away from AC... far away from AC!
This one time a married buddy of mine and I were on our way to Boracay. We brought our girlfriends along with us. Mind you... This was before I was married and I eventually ended up marrying the girlfriend that I brought to Boracay. As we were waiting at the airport to board the plane, he was slighty nervous because he was a bit worried that he might bump into one of his wife's friends or relatives or even one of his own relatives at the airport for good reason. Alot of the times when my buddy and I are at one of the malls in Manila, we always bump into someone he knows, who knows him and his wife. So being a little paranoid is normal because you never know who you might bump into. So as we all waited to board the plane, my buddy and I sat a good distance from our girlfriends so it would appear that we werent with anyone besides ourselves... although I wanted to sit beside my girlfriend, being the good friend that I am, I waited with my buddy so that I could appear to be his alibi / wingman.
Yes, the Philippines is a BIG country... but you never know who you might bump into. They might know your wife or a relative of her's who knows you or at least seen a picture of you with or without her. Especially if you dont look Filipino, they will surely remember what you look like! Just play it safe and "play" far away from AC!
Also becareful when you contact her when you get to the Philippines. You mentioned that you stay in contact with your girlfriend via phone and messenger? Make sure that you contact her like you usually do. Like, if you usually chat online with her when it's 9:00am in the Philippines, you better chat with her during the same time that you would usually chat with her. Becareful when calling her, or dont even call her since she'll see the number that you are calling from on her cellphone. Pinay's are very loving, but they can also be very angry if lied to. They can also get very suspicious if they have been scorned once already by somebody else. It's just their defense mechanism. Just play it safe if you intend to "disappear" for the 5 days before meeting up with your girlfriend.
Good advice from Flip Mo,
You can have plenty of fun in MLA before you go to AC.
I did the same thing in Dec. I was with my girl and she wanted to see the pic in my passport. Then she started looking at visas and a chill went up my spine. I grabbed it back....yikes....if she had seen the arrival date in my passport, the jig would be up.
The other problem I had was that I have a PI phone. If she calls that phone she can see if it is on or not. I got caught that way twice with other women.
X
Yes she knows you're in the PI when she can call your phone no. and it rings. What I do is to purchase another SIM chip only for the girl I'm with. It's only a couple of bucks. Then you're presumably "out of the country" for anyone who calls your regular number.
Good advice from Flip Mo,
You can have plenty of fun in MLA before you go to AC.
I did the same thing in Dec. I was with my girl and she wanted to see the pic in my passport. Then she started looking at visas and a chill went up my spine. I grabbed it back....yikes....if she had seen the arrival date in my passport, the jig would be up.
The other problem I had was that I have a PI phone. If she calls that phone she can see if it is on or not. I got caught that way twice with other women.
X
When I visit phills next I am visiting 4 of my "girl freinds", trouble is they like me to text them all the time wheither I am in england or phills, can anyone tell me how to stop letting them see from my text that I am in the phills already as I beleive the text record tells them its a smart. Globe, call, and then my game is up! , or I have to think of more bola bola.
When I visit phills next I am visiting 4 of my "girl freinds", trouble is they like me to text them all the time wheither I am in england or phills, can anyone tell me how to stop letting them see from my text that I am in the phills already as I beleive the text record tells them its a smart. Globe, call, and then my game is up! , or I have to think of more bola bola.
Try this one: When you get to the Phils next time, Get your self an extra cell phone and at least two different SIM packs either globe or smart, dont matter. These will all be 0920 ...something eleven digits in all. Once you activate the phones here you can use them and switch the SIMS as you see fit, different numbers to different girls, or one for "regular GF's, one number for BG's etc. Then you can place the phones on ROAM,easy to do and you can get instruction for it when you get the SIMS. Only thing is YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE PHILS TO ACTIVATE the roam feature which allows you to text back and forth to the Phils. THE GIRLS WILL UNDERSTAND THIS, just tell them what you are doing.
If you are in England,(Or any number of other countries) you can text her for fifteen pesos, she can reply for one peso. SHE cannot tell where you are coz the numbers still the same and you tell her you put it on ROAM before you "left". You will have to load up your SIMS with several cards ) P300 each.
Good luck.
Spamhog
Try this one: When you get to the Phils next time, Get your self an extra cell phone and at least two different SIM packs either globe or smart, dont matter. These will all be 0920 ...something eleven digits in all. Once you activate the phones here you can use them and switch the SIMS as you see fit, different numbers to different girls, or one for "regular GF's, one number for BG's etc. Then you can place the phones on ROAM,easy to do and you can get instruction for it when you get the SIMS. Only thing is YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE PHILS TO ACTIVATE the roam feature which allows you to text back and forth to the Phils. THE GIRLS WILL UNDERSTAND THIS, just tell them what you are doing.
If you are in England,(Or any number of other countries) you can text her for fifteen pesos, she can reply for one peso. SHE cannot tell where you are coz the numbers still the same and you tell her you put it on ROAM before you "left". You will have to load up your SIMS with several cards ) P300 each.
Good luck.
Spamhog
In the US, it's 20p per text on Smart for sure and IIRC for Globe. At about $0.40 per text, I find it's cheaper to use my US mobile for texting to the Phils while my gf's text me on my Smart. I know they won't text me on the US mobile because that will cost them 15p for each text. And yes, whether it's Smart or Globe, you need to activate the International Roaming before you leave the Phils.
Jeez guys! It's cheaper to get new GF's verses new SIM cards and phones. I rarely see the same girls when I'm in the Philippines. Not even the exceptional ones. I made that mistake in the past and have learned not to do it again, because you have to build your vacation around meeting the several different girls you might be seeing, and that waste valuable mongering time. There are just too many other opportunities out there to pass up. Be honest with girls when you meet them and tell them up-front that your not looking for a GF. Trust me, they will hang with you anyway.
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
this is good advice yella, but maybe some of us are looking for a gf. my last trip i "tasted" (as they say) seven women, and only two were p4p.
one, the manila girl, is exceptional. early 20s, regular girl with a job, extremely good looking, speaks and chats intelligently and seems to be quite okay with marathon sex sessions.
my problem is i'm really stuck on this one, and she claims to be stuck on me. could someone give me a good bittch slap? i need it.
x
chatting with her as i write this...the topic is sex and she writes....
"ok! we will just rest if someone is going to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)"
jeez guys! it's cheaper to get new gf's verses new sim cards and phones. i rarely see the same girls when i'm in the philippines. not even the exceptional ones. i made that mistake in the past and have learned not to do it again, because you have to build your vacation around meeting the several different girls you might be seeing, and that waste valuable mongering time. there are just too many other opportunities out there to pass up. be honest with girls when you meet them and tell them up-front that your not looking for a gf. trust me, they will hang with you anyway.
always on the quest
yella man
this is good advice yella, but maybe some of us are looking for a gf. my last trip i "tasted" (as they say) seven women, and only two were p4p.
one, the manila girl, is exceptional. early 20s, regular girl with a job, extremely good looking, speaks and chats intelligently and seems to be quite okay with marathon sex sessions.
my problem is i'm really stuck on this one, and she claims to be stuck on me. could someone give me a good bittch slap? i need it.
x
chatting with her as i write this...the topic is sex and she writes....
"ok! we will just rest if someone is going to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)"
first, yella man does have a good point, but, also consider that at times, if you find women of quality (or ones you just love to bang) keeping them on your electronic leash of a cell phone has its points. i used to have lots of "old friends" in the pi for whom i would call or text a day or two before arrival, depending on what geographic region i was in, i knew that a nice tight one would be waiting, one i knew and "tasted" before, important (for me) is that i trusted her from previous experience and knew what to expect as well as a time saving measure. one can always find new to add to your traveling harem and delicately shuffling sim cards etc is a good way to ensure your privacy, even if you explain to them you are not in a committed relationship. you can be sure that some of them do the same, shuffle sim's, alternate online names how many guys does she have calling her? you would be suprised how honest some of them are if you are honest with them. as i used to ask them...define "girlfriend" (or boyfriend), not fiance, not husband/wife.
xman, i think i saw that girl your talking about, (sunflower?) if so, she was a little cutie, i thought kinda young but.....anyhow i say proceed with caution, they all say they are "stuck" on you. (refer to previous about defining girlfriend) but always remember that sexual compatability is an important part of a relationship, sooner or later one comes along......
regards
spamhog
Thanks for your reply, I think I have found another answer a Skype phone.
I have ordered this skype wifi phone so I can be anywhere in the world which has a wifi area and make the text or call from that phone, and it will only show my skype number.
Try this one: When you get to the Phils next time, Get your self an extra cell phone and at least two different SIM packs either globe or smart, dont matter. These will all be 0920 ...something eleven digits in all. Once you activate the phones here you can use them and switch the SIMS as you see fit, different numbers to different girls, or one for "regular GF's, one number for BG's etc. Then you can place the phones on ROAM,easy to do and you can get instruction for it when you get the SIMS. Only thing is YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE PHILS TO ACTIVATE the roam feature which allows you to text back and forth to the Phils. THE GIRLS WILL UNDERSTAND THIS, just tell them what you are doing.
If you are in England,(Or any number of other countries) you can text her for fifteen pesos, she can reply for one peso. SHE cannot tell where you are coz the numbers still the same and you tell her you put it on ROAM before you "left". You will have to load up your SIMS with several cards ) P300 each.
Good luck.
Spamhog
Thanks for the message SH,
Yes, I was referring to the Sunflower girl. Hmm, I think of her more as the foxy type, rather than the cute type. "kinda young"? Well, half my age, but certainly old enough. I'll just introduce her as my daughter.
Someday you'll have to tell me how Ms. SH was able to snag you. Or better yet, let Ms. SH interrogate my girl in order to determine her suitability -- that would be interesting.
Increasingly I've done what you suggest in your post. Keep in touch with ladies from my past, and play the field at the same time. I think I'm long overdue for an extra SIM card.
I still haven't collected all my notes from my Dec/Jan trip in order to post some messages. Work looks to get less busy after tomorrow, so maybe that will happen soon.
Xman, I think I saw that girl your talking about, (Sunflower?) If so, she was a little cutie, I thought kinda young but.....Anyhow I say proceed with caution, they all say they are "Stuck" on you. (refer to previous about defining Girlfriend) but always remember that sexual compatability is an important part of a relationship, sooner or later one comes along......
Regards
Spamhog
Interesting choice of words, "snagged" like a big trophy trout and reeled in eh? HAH! I like that, question is who snagged who? Anyhow, I thought I would give you an honest answer, I'll try not to belabor the point as it can get kinda boring. But as to why we BOTH decided on each other was a number of factors. First, I was introduced by someone I had a measure of trust in, I was briefed on her as she was no doubt briefed on me. All the basics were there, the personality etc and we got along well and we were both realistic about our expectations. She didn't hit me up for money during our courtship, she worked but was "underpaid" like all of 'em and could have used it, but she never asked for a peso. There were, however, TWO DECIDING FACTORS.
I know you somewhat Xman and you been around the block, you have had enough contact with the Asian lady of various races, personalities, types and a variety of experience to know what you want. So did I, but more important SO DID SHE, I place a LOT of emphasis on this one as her life experience at that point (she was 30) developed her into very practical, realistic person. Dare I say made her strong. The person you are at thirty is the person you are gonna be for the rest of your life. This is one reason why I CONSTANTLY CAUTION the brethern who are looking for serious relationships against women who are too young.
Second, the MOST IMPORTANT is she was totally honest with me, withheld nothing about her past, present etc, details about her relationships and her integrity was PROVEN to me in a number of ways. She had to earn my trust, and beleive me I checked and tested it. But she also taught me a few lessons about honesty so that for one of the first times in my life I was totally honest with a woman, she didn't like some of what she heard but she accepted it and also vice versa.
We trust each other and we hide no secrets, past or present.
Understand that the perfect Filipina doesn't exist no more than the perfect woman exists, same for the perfect man, etc. But rather is this person on the same wave length as you, will she change after you are 'snagged' or is what you see what you get (Maturity, integrity, character) most of all, can you trust her and CAN SHE TRUST YOU.
The little devil that constantly sits on my shoulder and whispers in my ear and
sometimes jabs that red hot pitchfork of his in my balls as I live amongst this sea of pussy is always gonna be there, but I don't pay much attention to him. Now if you can find one like that and she passes muster, that is what you want for a committed relationship.
You would be wise to find someone you trust who does know her and compare notes, BUT you gotta consider the source. BE CAUTIOUS and verify everything!
Regards
Spamhog
It's late and I'm tired...so just a quick reply to the post from SH.
Never found any of your posts "belaboring", nor boring in any way. Some great info in this last post and gives me (us) a few more things to think about.
Thanks, X
Bill Buxton
02-01-07, 02:09
Interesting choice of words, "snagged" like a big trophy trout and reeled in eh? HAH! I like that, question is who snagged who? Anyhow, I thought I would give you an honest answer, I'll try not to belabor the point as it can get kinda boring. But as to why we BOTH decided on each other was a number of factors. First, I was introduced by someone I had a measure of trust in, I was briefed on her as she was no doubt briefed on me. All the basics were there, the personality etc and we got along well and we were both realistic about our expectations. She didn't hit me up for money during our courtship, she worked but was "underpaid" like all of 'em and could have used it, but she never asked for a peso. There were, however, TWO DECIDING FACTORS.
I know you somewhat Xman and you been around the block, you have had enough contact with the Asian lady of various races, personalities, types and a variety of experience to know what you want. So did I, but more important SO DID SHE, I place a LOT of emphasis on this one as her life experience at that point (she was 30) developed her into very practical, realistic person. Dare I say made her strong. The person you are at thirty is the person you are gonna be for the rest of your life. This is one reason why I CONSTANTLY CAUTION the brethern who are looking for serious relationships against women who are too young.
Second, the MOST IMPORTANT is she was totally honest with me, withheld nothing about her past, present etc, details about her relationships and her integrity was PROVEN to me in a number of ways. She had to earn my trust, and beleive me I checked and tested it. But she also taught me a few lessons about honesty so that for one of the first times in my life I was totally honest with a woman, she didn't like some of what she heard but she accepted it and also vice versa.
We trust each other and we hide no secrets, past or present.
Understand that the perfect Filipina doesn't exist no more than the perfect woman exists, same for the perfect man, etc. But rather is this person on the same wave length as you, will she change after you are 'snagged' or is what you see what you get (Maturity, integrity, character) most of all, can you trust her and CAN SHE TRUST YOU.
The little devil that constantly sits on my shoulder and whispers in my ear and
sometimes jabs that red hot pitchfork of his in my balls as I live amongst this sea of pussy is always gonna be there, but I don't pay much attention to him. Now if you can find one like that and she passes muster, that is what you want for a committed relationship.
You would be wise to find someone you trust who does know her and compare notes, BUT you gotta consider the source. BE CAUTIOUS and verify everything!
Regards
SpamhogPlease remember most guys here do not take the little gal home.When a girl knows she can travel with her asawa to his country she gets a peace of mind feeling.When a girl knows she is here married or just girlfriend she knows every second she can be traded in.Thats a fact.
The girls know about the temtation here from others and sometimes the ones closes to them try to get on the ATM.Compitition here is high amoung the girls and most guys want younger and younger.When they get the "I DO" they know that is not a lifelong closed chapter for there book of life.They know they must try and keep there man under observation most of the time.Trust takes time to build with us and them.I am sure every girlfriend and wife of every guy knows why the guy goes to angeles, and why he comes home late in most cases it's not because he worked late at the office.
The good gals want good honest guys and we want the same.Thats what life is about, honesty.Is it hard to trust here yes it is, hard at home sure, but you will find what you want in both places if you look long enough.
SH, has a nice wife and he is a good guy also.I have had the pleasure of his company on my visit to CEBU.I am sure his advise if followed will get a person heading in the right direction.It makes a difference what you do here if you want to play thats easy.If you want a lifelong partner you have to test them and invest the time.I am also sure you can't mix the two togeather without some problems.Afterall why take the big step if you are happy messing around.The answer is messing around get old and most of us want a good gal to spoil and love just like they want a good man.
B.B...
Wow, was that post from BB? I guess you're not as ornery as I thought!
I wish I had more time to spend with this lady, but I do not live in the Philippines. I can visit the Philippines up to three times a year, so I'll get more time with her. Unfortunately, I find it very hard (no pun intended) to remain monogamous while in the Philippines. As BB rightly points out, this will likely come back and bite me.
Thanks for the great advice guys. X
Please remember most guys here do not take the little gal home.When a girl knows she can travel with her asawa to his country she gets a peace of mind feeling.When a girl knows she is here married or just girlfriend she knows every second she can be traded in.Thats a fact.
The girls know about the temtation here from others and sometimes the ones closes to them try to get on the ATM.Compitition here is high amoung the girls and most guys want younger and younger.When they get the "I DO" they know that is not a lifelong closed chapter for there book of life.They know they must try and keep there man under observation most of the time.Trust takes time to build with us and them.I am sure every girlfriend and wife of every guy knows why the guy goes to angeles, and why he comes home late in most cases it's not because he worked late at the office.
The good gals want good honest guys and we want the same.Thats what life is about, honesty.Is it hard to trust here yes it is, hard at home sure, but you will find what you want in both places if you look long enough.
SH, has a nice wife and he is a good guy also.I have had the pleasure of his company on my visit to CEBU.I am sure his advise if followed will get a person heading in the right direction.It makes a difference what you do here if you want to play thats easy.If you want a lifelong partner you have to test them and invest the time.I am also sure you can't mix the two togeather without some problems.Afterall why take the big step if you are happy messing around.The answer is messing around get old and most of us want a good gal to spoil and love just like they want a good man.
B.B...
Xtorted Decay
02-22-07, 10:46
Havn't been to this board in quite a while, but I'll add my 2 cents.
I've been to the Philippines a few times now and met many, many girls. However I do not consider myself an expert and have no desire to give advice. This is just my experience and my opinion.
Most girls there don't have any idea what it is to be American, or a westerner. We're almost like a faery tale come to life for a lot of them. As such they'll see you in a number of different lights. Most of them dream of marrying a westerner for a number of reasons, high among them being financial security. This is hardly a filipina only trait, I think all women are drawn to a man who is financially secure to some point.
But obviously, most of the time they have the sense to know that you have a lot of options there, and they're not going to push that point, maybe for fear of rejection? Or maybe I just got it in my head that they all want to marry me. Maybe that place has done bad things to my ego:). Anyway, being different also makes you into a trophy of sorts. The amount of attention I've gotten while having a girl with me already far exceeds any other factor. It was like I was the focal point of determining the hierarchy among 2 or more girls.
Still, I consider this low class behavior. Maybe its just me. I'm sure you can see the potential for fun though.
I've had a completely different experience though. I met one of the 'good girls'. In Mindanao (not Davao, closer to Cagayan de Oro) no less, the evil realm of Abu Sayaf.
I won't go into details about this girl, but I will give you an idea of my experience. She's a lady, like no one I've met here in America, though I'm sure they're here too. Her english is better than most Americans I know, she's intelligent, she's kind, etc etc. Am I being played? Its possible. But I've known her for a long time now and she's survived all of my 'tests'.
I don't know. I'm only 24. I don't know where I'll go with this, and sometimes I feel like I might be in over my head. But I would take a girl like this over a million ho's. I may be mistaken, and end up just being a huge sucker, and having another one of those 'learning experiences' we all hate so much and never seem to learn from (I don't anyway). As of right now, though, all I can say is if you really want a relationship, and you can handle tampo, the good ones are out there. But you have to do some digging.
And if you get your heart broken, there's plenty of filipinas who would love nothing more than to cheer you up.
I recently sent a few introductory messages to Cherry Blossom girls, without knowing that the girls were actually Pinoys working in BKK. Almost ALL of the Pinoys responded back and said that they are teachers or they are in education in BKK.
Could this be true? Or are they in BKK illegally (overstayed tourist visa?) and freelancing? Does Thailand need that many Pinoy educators?
Does anyone have any experience in dealing with the Pinoys in BKK?
May be this is not the right forum to ask this question. But, I will attempt another post in Thailand forum as well.
MD
Pete The Beat
02-23-07, 12:08
Follow your heart son - at 24 you've got time on your side and life is about making mistakes and most importantly learning from them! You've really got nothing to lose - if it works out good luck to you! If it doesn't its not the end of the world and at 24 you've got lots of new women waiting for you!! As the saying goes - you will be older and wiser for the experience!
Good luck
Cheers
Pete
Yes, I am aware of a few family members of friends who are working in Thailand teaching English. The Thai's want to do a lot of international busines, but have problems w/Engrish.
Think about it, why would someone pay to import a pinay to work as a pro, when so much is available in the countryside?
I recently sent a few introductory messages to Cherry Blossom girls, without knowing that the girls were actually Pinoys working in BKK. Almost ALL of the Pinoys responded back and said that they are teachers or they are in education in BKK.
Could this be true? Or are they in BKK illegally (overstayed tourist visa?) and freelancing? Does Thailand need that many Pinoy educators?
Does anyone have any experience in dealing with the Pinoys in BKK?
May be this is not the right forum to ask this question. But, I will attempt another post in Thailand forum as well.
MD
Yes one can find Pinay is LOS, and just about every other Asia country,(Hk and Malaysia is loaded with 'em) Yes they do teach school, the Phils produced truckloads of teachers as well as nurses, the two skilled professions primarily expated. I lived in Phuket and there was a school that acredited TESL and gave them the cert they needed. The Thais are eager to learn English as that is a mark of intelligence and a better job.
I honestly didn't pay much attention to Filipinas in LOS, too busy with the local variety, never heard of 'em "flatbacking" for extra income, not to say they might not. Anyhow, look under general thread where another member and I got into a theoretical discussion over the merits of importing poon to LOS, I don't think it would fly, to many local pros.
regards
Spamhog
I have been corresponding to an employed philipina (with a child) for about 2 years. I don"t have time on this trip to go to Manila to meet her. She is an employed girl, but always short of money. She had asked me to send her money twice, and I had refused.
I have met her and seen her on camera on many occassions on MSN or Yahoo chat, after setting up a chat date. But, I have not physically met her.
She is willing to meet me on my next trip to Singapore, as my trip is only 4 days long. She has agreed to stay with me while in Singapore as it would cost me nothing for her stay other than her meals and the plane ticket.
What are the pitfalls of this reunion(!) in Singapore? What are your esteemed warnings?
Steven
I have been corresponding to an employed philipina (with a child) for about 2 years. I don"t have time on this trip to go to Manila to meet her. She is an employed girl, but always short of money. She had asked me to send her money twice, and I had refused.
I have met her and seen her on camera on many occassions on MSN or Yahoo chat, after setting up a chat date. But, I have not physically met her.
She is willing to meet me on my next trip to Singapore, as my trip is only 4 days long. She has agreed to stay with me while in Singapore as it would cost me nothing for her stay other than her meals and the plane ticket.
What are the pitfalls of this reunion(!) in Singapore? What are your esteemed warnings?
Steven
Lemme see here if I got this right, sweetie works in MANILA(?) And wants you to send her plane fare (GOT to be round trip under Phil Law.) and cover the cost of her trip to Singapore after asking you several times for supplemental income? Does she have a passport? No? Gonna cost you about $100 Us for that, then she needs about $30 to leave the country, then some spending money for entry fee to Singapore plus cab fare hmmm, this is kinda adding up here. So to buy this "pig in a poke" sorry no pun intended, your going to lay out about $700-800 US, with no guarentee she is going to show.
If she Does show, suppose you dont like her in person or shes a lousy lay? Now you are saddled with this woman who you dont really like and doesn't suck a dick or something and brother, Singapore loaded with frisky sexy women, Thais, Loads of Filipina maids, cute little Malays and aloof but horny as hell Singa CHinese.
Something you better realize about Singapore, THEY SCRUTINIZE LONE FEMALES ENTERING THE COUNTRY, if she dont have a work permit and she cant open her purse and show credit cards, travelers checks and a lot of money, they WILL KICK HER OUT. I HAVE SEEN THIS!!!!!!!! I used to regularly take the flight from BKK to Singa and they would waylay Thai girls and give 'em the third degree, sometimes they would refuse entry, same with Filipinas. WHY?
Well Freelancers come in to Sing close to the weekend, go hit Geylang or the Orchid towers (4 floors of *****s as we used to say) or work the hotels and make big bucks humping all the rich businessmen then high tail it back to Jungleland.
Im just telling you the pit falls thats all.
Im NOT saying she will be a no show but Vegas odds makers say she comes up with a sick kid at the last minute and can't make it...sorry about your plane fare, spent it on a Doctor. Rule of thumb is you never give 'em money unless you've met them face to face, know something about them, where they live, size 'em up AND, most important: YOU LIKE HER.
Good luck
Also SIngapore is Expensive, taking a companion around is gonna get pricey.
Spamhog
SH has brought up some points that surely disappoint you -- despite their validity.
Nevertheless, I have a buddy who sent a bar girl money for air fare to Thailand. (He had met her face-to-face / genital-to-genital). One of the list's legends - Cebu Local - suggested the chances of her showing up were extraordinarily slim.
It was a happy ending. She showed up. And it's likely he's in Cebu now bonking her once again.
X
Muf, Spam makes some valid points. There is a way around things, which is to buy an electronic ticket with your credit card, in such a manner that it is only refundable to your own credit card account. Then of course, make sure she is fully aware of that situation. That said, she might have problems entering SIN without a sufficient amount of cash in her wallet, so you might have to send her that, in addition to the passport money, and departure tax. When all is said and done, that might be all she is looking for, and she is onto the next guy. OR, she shows up, and you have a great time.
Many girls spend their whole day, or night online, chatting up guys, and look at it as a long term investment. Remember, all they need is to clear about 100-150US$ per month to make it worth their while. So if they are in chat rooms, meeting new guys on a regular basis, then they can get one or two guys to send 100$ in a month, they are netting more than if they were waitresses, or worse, factory workers.
I met a girl in Thailand who had a small book full of guys names, their birthdates, names of kids, what their jobs were, when was the last time they met, name of hotel they stayed in, restaurants they went to, so when she chatted with them, she could refer to all the fun things they had done on the guys last visit. this girl was good, and pulled in about 700-800US$ a month, and rarely had to get on her back, except when one of her guys came into town.
So, it could very well be all she is looking for is the money necessary to make it look good for customs at SIN. if you send her 200$ for customs, 100$ for a passport, and 30$ departure tax, she has done well.
Not trying to flame, I actually hope it works out, just throwing it out there for thoughts and comments.
Girlfinder
02-28-07, 01:27
I have been corresponding to an employed philipina (with a child) for about 2 years. I don"t have time on this trip to go to Manila to meet her. She is an employed girl, but always short of money. She had asked me to send her money twice, and I had refused.
..Steven
Hope you have had time to be in Manila, if not you might miss some important :)
Some of my experiences: I had contact with a girl for 3 years. Last time we met, I bought here expensive cellphone as a gift. Back home I asked her for a small favour in Manila, but she could not do without more money. Even I knew she was earning some, she obviously wasn't willing to "invest" in me. After that I cut all contact, although she keep sending me 5-6 mails and phones me 3-4 times back home.
Lesson? They really are proffs in asking money. Test out if she will invest in you before you get to much involved.
BTW, I have another one now beeing "so in love with me". Cherrygirl stopped working in bar, after I gav here a quite nice present. She want me to meet her family and all that. I realize this could be her way "out of hell". For me a temptation so hard to resist, wondering which head shall decide my actions...
Ok, what I mean, go to Manila as soon as possible, have fun, live life !
Bill Buxton
02-28-07, 05:31
You can get cheep flights out of clark Angeles for singapore. Tiger airways for 20 u.s.dollars one way.I know because I booked online for that price.Do some checking and you can travel for cheep money from the P.I.
B.B.
I would like to unabashedly confess my stupidity for the sake of discussion and perhaps a lesson or two to be learned.
Like so many others here that admit it or not, I have on occasion barebacked a bar girl. I am not here to justify or condemn this practice, my story is to simply state the possible consequences of such actions.
This story begins with a bar girl named Veronica who I met at Nero’s Forum and had spent three consecutive days with. I reported briefly on this girl earlier in the Angeles section. Although she was fun and I genuinely enjoyed her company, she was getting too attached too quickly so I stopped seeing her.
Fast forward three and a half weeks later.
I went to Nero’s one night and there she is, she looks great, is no longer pouting and is actually a lot of fun so I barfine her. We got a bite to eat at Kokomo’s and we were both having a great time, that is, until she rather nonchalantly tells me she is pregnant and I am (of course) the father! To say that this put a damper on the evening would be a complete understatement!
She tells me that she took a pregnancy test a few days earlier with the help of her housekeeper, (why a housekeeper’s advice is trusted and revered is beyond me). Now, keep in mind that even on my short trip I had seen so many single mothers in Angeles City with no support from the fathers, either foreign or Filipino. Although to be fair, it may be possible under these situations that a foreigner father doesn’t even know he has sired a child. However, the end result is still the same, a single mother that is dirt poor raising a child in an overpopulated third world country. I always said to myself that I would never be one of those guys that consciously abandoned a child or a pregnant mother; I had the simple desire to do the right thing, whatever that might be.
As my head was still spinning with all of these revelations, she then informs me that she took a drug called Cytotec the day before, which from what I understand, is a medication for stomach ulcers that has a certain nasty side effect that will make a pregnant woman have a spontaneous miscarriage. I believe this drug is commonly used by bar girls as an abortion pill.
I came up with a plan, the next morning we would find a doctor; get a real informed opinion on her alleged pregnancy and her medical condition if she really did take some kind of abortion pill. I wanted to be able to make decisions based on facts and not just the word and speculation of a bar girl and her housekeeper. For my part, I would of course pay for any medical bills regardless of the outcome or the diagnosis and I reassured her that I would be there with her from beginning to end. I thought this was a great plan, that is, until she flatly refused to go!
She gave some story about she was afraid of doctors and blah, blah, blah. So here I was faced with this situation where I was determined to do the right thing but was at the total mercy of this girl. Thus began one of the worst days of my life with me trying to reason with a young girl with the mentality of an immature five year old. I tried to reason with her, tried to be the good guy, tried to be the bad guy but she just wouldn’t budge. Finally after about 10 hours of this nonsense she said she wanted to go see her mother in Manila where she promised she would see a doctor. At this point, this idea seemed the best way for me to simply wash my hands of this situation; let her mother deal with this. So I gave her 7,000 pesos to go home and get the help she needed. I of course realize that this whole story could have been a fabrication from the start, but for me the 7,000 pesos eased my conscience to some degree for the slim possibility that she could have been telling the truth.
She did return a few days later with a story of going to the doctor who gave the diagnosis that she was no longer pregnant and there were no ill effects of her taking this Cytotic. The doctor prescribed some medication and said she would be fine, the doctor and pharmacy bills conveniently cost the amount of what I gave her. I did not want to have anything to do with her so I kept her at a distance the rest of my time in Angeles despite her numerous calls and text messages.
In looking back at this I can say that I handled this situation rather poorly, clearly there would be a lot of things I would do differently if I could. Upon reflection, I don’t think she was ever pregnant, I believe she made up this story for one or more of the following reasons:
1. She wanted a foreigner boyfriend and this was some psychotic way to trap one.
2. She wanted attention. She was queen for a day when she found a sucker like me!
3. She wanted a moneyko. That is, this was all a ruse to get some money out of some poor sap who didn’t know any better. In my case, it worked.
4. She was bored and I made for some good entertainment, plus she had a great story to tell all of her girlfriends back at the bar.
If only I had worn that condom.
Fastpiston
03-25-07, 07:17
I would like to unabashedly confess my stupidity for the sake of discussion and perhaps a lesson or two to be learned.
Like so many others here that admit it or not, I have on occasion barebacked a bar girl. I am not here to justify or condemn this practice, my story is to simply state the possible consequences of such actions.
This story begins with a bar girl named Veronica who I met at Nero’s Forum and had spent three consecutive days with. I reported briefly on this girl earlier in the Angeles section. Although she was fun and I genuinely enjoyed her company, she was getting too attached too quickly so I stopped seeing her.
Fast forward three and a half weeks later.
I went to Nero’s one night and there she is, she looks great, is no longer pouting and is actually a lot of fun so I barfine her. We got a bite to eat at Kokomo’s and we were both having a great time, that is, until she rather nonchalantly tells me she is pregnant and I am (of course) the father! To say that this put a damper on the evening would be a complete understatement!
She tells me that she took a pregnancy test a few days earlier with the help of her housekeeper, (why a housekeeper’s advice is trusted and revered is beyond me). Now, keep in mind that even on my short trip I had seen so many single mothers in Angeles City with no support from the fathers, either foreign or Filipino. Although to be fair, it may be possible under these situations that a foreigner father doesn’t even know he has sired a child. However, the end result is still the same, a single mother that is dirt poor raising a child in an overpopulated third world country. I always said to myself that I would never be one of those guys that consciously abandoned a child or a pregnant mother; I had the simple desire to do the right thing, whatever that might be.
As my head was still spinning with all of these revelations, she then informs me that she took a drug called Cytotec the day before, which from what I understand, is a medication for stomach ulcers that has a certain nasty side effect that will make a pregnant woman have a spontaneous miscarriage. I believe this drug is commonly used by bar girls as an abortion pill.
I came up with a plan, the next morning we would find a doctor; get a real informed opinion on her alleged pregnancy and her medical condition if she really did take some kind of abortion pill. I wanted to be able to make decisions based on facts and not just the word and speculation of a bar girl and her housekeeper. For my part, I would of course pay for any medical bills regardless of the outcome or the diagnosis and I reassured her that I would be there with her from beginning to end. I thought this was a great plan, that is, until she flatly refused to go!
She gave some story about she was afraid of doctors and blah, blah, blah. So here I was faced with this situation where I was determined to do the right thing but was at the total mercy of this girl. Thus began one of the worst days of my life with me trying to reason with a young girl with the mentality of an immature five year old. I tried to reason with her, tried to be the good guy, tried to be the bad guy but she just wouldn’t budge. Finally after about 10 hours of this nonsense she said she wanted to go see her mother in Manila where she promised she would see a doctor. At this point, this idea seemed the best way for me to simply wash my hands of this situation; let her mother deal with this. So I gave her 7,000 pesos to go home and get the help she needed. I of course realize that this whole story could have been a fabrication from the start, but for me the 7,000 pesos eased my conscience to some degree for the slim possibility that she could have been telling the truth.
She did return a few days later with a story of going to the doctor who gave the diagnosis that she was no longer pregnant and there were no ill effects of her taking this Cytotic. The doctor prescribed some medication and said she would be fine, the doctor and pharmacy bills conveniently cost the amount of what I gave her. I did not want to have anything to do with her so I kept her at a distance the rest of my time in Angeles despite her numerous calls and text messages.
In looking back at this I can say that I handled this situation rather poorly, clearly there would be a lot of things I would do differently if I could. Upon reflection, I don’t think she was ever pregnant, I believe she made up this story for one or more of the following reasons:
1. She wanted a foreigner boyfriend and this was some psychotic way to trap one.
2. She wanted attention. She was queen for a day when she found a sucker like me!
3. She wanted a moneyko. That is, this was all a ruse to get some money out of some poor sap who didn’t know any better. In my case, it worked.
4. She was bored and I made for some good entertainment, plus she had a great story to tell all of her girlfriends back at the bar.
If only I had worn that condom.
Believe me,this is a very very old trick the girls in the Phils often try and is a scam for a quick buck. Your forum posting is similar to many others that have appeared. Best drop the girl and move on. If you really feel emotional about it then:
1) Tell her no discussion, you must go to a doctor with her. If she really is pregnant, ask the doctor when the baby birth is expected. Work back nine months and see if you were penetrating her at that time. If she is not pregnant or if the timing does not coincide with you penetrating her, tell her to take a hike.
2) If the date is not clear, or if she says she has a kid that is yours, take a few hair samples and send them with yours to a DNA test company in the US. If they do not match, it is best if she goes back to her Filipino or other foreigner who got into her and seeded her.
You obviously fell for the scam at a much earlier stage.
This was just what I needed to read. This site saved me from another bogus "nice lady".
"Second, the MOST IMPORTANT is she was totally honest with me, withheld nothing about her past, present etc, details about her relationships and her integrity was PROVEN to me in a number of ways. She had to earn my trust, and beleive me I checked and tested it. But she also taught me a few lessons about honesty so that for one of the first times in my life I was totally honest with a woman, she didn't like some of what she heard but she accepted it and also vice versa. "
-Spam Hog
I tried so hard to be sure she knew that honesty was vital, and she agreed. I tried to keep my eyes open and saw a LOAD of BS after some time. But not before she got her hooks in me deep, I love(d?) her very much. This is a Thai lady. Someone I've known for years introduced us too. This lady being soo deceptive caught me completely off-guard brothers.
So be warned, Thai ladies can make you believe anything they want. And I thought I'd been around the block enough to see this coming.
So my P4P days are over and I still want an open, honest relationship to wind out my life. My burning questions;
1) Are Pinoys more honest -as I've read before
2) Where do you look, and NOT look ie; web dating
3) How do you guys "test" their honesty?
This was just what I needed to read. This site saved me from another bogus "nice lady".
"Second, the MOST IMPORTANT is she was totally honest with me, withheld nothing about her past, present etc, details about her relationships and her integrity was PROVEN to me in a number of ways. She had to earn my trust, and beleive me I checked and tested it. But she also taught me a few lessons about honesty so that for one of the first times in my life I was totally honest with a woman, she didn't like some of what she heard but she accepted it and also vice versa. "
-Spam Hog
I tried so hard to be sure she knew that honesty was vital, and she agreed. I tried to keep my eyes open and saw a LOAD of BS after some time. But not before she got her hooks in me deep, I love(d?) her very much. This is a Thai lady. Someone I've known for years introduced us too. This lady being soo deceptive caught me completely off-guard brothers.
So be warned, Thai ladies can make you believe anything they want. And I thought I'd been around the block enough to see this coming.
So my P4P days are over and I still want an open, honest relationship to wind out my life. My burning questions;
1) Are Pinoys more honest -as I've read before
2) Where do you look, and NOT look ie; web dating
3) How do you guys "test" their honesty?
First I'm glad that my thoughts helped "save" someone from further dismay in a bad relationship.
Second, if you follow some of my postings, you will know that I CONSTANTLY preach against Thai women for anything other than a purely sexual relationship. I lived in LOS for awhile, I speak the Language rather well and this of course colored my opinion. But I have found them to be especially deceitful, secretive etc., THEY DID NOT LIKE THE FACT I SPOKE THEIR LANGUAGE!!!! This applies MORESO to "regular girls" than bar girls.
Now to answer your questions:
Women are women no matter where you go, I find women to be more secretive in general about their past due to societal standards.
1. Filipina seem to be more honest than Thai (and some other Asian women, Malay, Chinese Viets). This does not mean that they will not BS you. The very first Filipina to break my heart (awwwwwww) was a doozy. she was well employed in Taiwan, working there under a false passport, already married in the Phils and looking for a sucker to get her back to the Phils gratis (me) almost anyway, found her out. Point I'm trying to make is that Phil ladies are like any other, (see societal standards) which intheir case mandates a women should be a virginuntil married, chaste otherwise and "maria Clara-like)
Maria Clara being a demure Spanish lady the Epitome of Purity peity etc.
I see plenty of examples of deceitful Filipina, MOST OF THEM ARE BAR GIRLS.
2. Web dating is only a source to meet them, you have to come here to the Phils and see them to determine what they are REALLY LIKE, I don't think the web site matters, you have to concentrate on WHAT THEY ARE SAYING ONCE YOU MEET THEM ONLINE. After a few chats you will probably see what type of person they are. If they start talking about money, flush 'em. If the say things like "I love, you, I want to be yours and yours alone, you are the only man in my life." etc etc. Flush 'em.
I personally beleive the best way to find a "good one" comes from somebody who recommends her, (This is how I met Mrs Spamhog) knows a bit about her background etc.
3. there are a number of way to "TEST" her, I think I've mentioned before I used to do background checks in conjunction with a PI agency, (I dont anymore please dont ask).
You can "Test" her online real easy, I used to get phony Yahoo ID's (just like they do). Some were really funny, I used to use names of Notorious American outlaws like "William H. Bonney" "Clyde Barrow" etc. I would then chat with her under this alias and see what she said, compare it with what she told the client, or if she would ask for money etc.
Sometimes I would hit her with ..."I'm going to be in (your city) next week, can we meet?" Almost every time I would get a "yes". A few from Women who were engaged etc. You can do this yourself or get one of your friends to using an alias to go online with her, send here a pix etc. Now I would do this ONLY in a situation where you have a "committed" relationship, someone you just met on the internet is not going to have the commitment to you nor should you hold them to such a standard to "wait for you". Basically who ever is first in is gonna get it.
You really have to check out her status once you get here, hanging around her neighborhood will tell you a lot. filipino's love to gossip and repeat "Estorias" so you could ask around or have someone ask around on your behalf about her, Yes you can hire a PI to do an extensive background.
Your biggest concerns are that she is NOT a card holding (GRO) prostitute/bar girl. Not a Criminal or Shabu head (drug addict) Does not have a committed relationship with a Filipino BF (or married!) and not working the internet solely for money.
If she has a lot of internet chatmates and even has met one or two before and it didn't work out don't hold it against her. A "good one" will tell you this (as you should tell her).
Spamhog
Yes, my experience with Thai ladies is that they are very deceptive. I was not looking for a Thai wife anymore -or anyone- when my buddy and his Thai wife told me about her. I was celebate for a couple years before getting back in the game, so to speak.
I felt ready and was considering Pinoy possibilities when I was given the Thai lady's phone number. Nuf said, lesson learned, and brothers be warned. This girl was smooth as baby diarrhea and had this veteran hound out of his socks. And that aint like me.
I have very little guile by nature and know this, so that's why I asked for the collective wisdom here. Advice here can be very sound in my experience, even beyond P4P tips and tricks. I'll spend time researching here and elsewhere so when I've learned whatever I'm supposed to learn -I wont need to be alone.
Soju Lizard
05-11-07, 01:36
I totally agree with Spamhog. I can give two examples I've seen first hand in my own travels that also might open your eyes.
1. I brought a girl once from Angeles to Manila (yes I know that is like taking sand to the beach) and for the entire weekend she was texting and receiving overseas calls from her 7 (yes seven) boyfriends. She was upfront about what she was doing as I was pretty honest too and told her I didn't care about her significant others. She even let me read her texts and oh man, she had them all strung along pretty good. She should have won an Academy Award.
2. Once while taking a taxi ride in Manila, I noticed several photos in the taxi of a young Filipina with an older Western gentleman and their kid. Just to make conversation I asked the driver if that was his sister. He replied that it was his girlfriend and she was married to a guy in the UK. They have been together since high school and both agreed she should get married to an older foreigner with a lot of money so that when he died they could be together with the funds she would inherit. He said he had no problem waiting for her since they figured the husband wouldn't even last 10 years because of his age and health and by the time they were in their 30's they'd be together again with a big bank account. This totally shocked me but I'm so thankful for the insight of how deceiptful and treacherous some people are. I know this is probably the exception and not the norm, but it should give anyone pause before looking to a third world country for your mate.
First I'm glad that my thoughts helped "save" someone from further dismay in a bad relationship.
Second, if you follow some of my postings, you will know that I CONSTANTLY preach against Thai women for anything other than a purely sexual relationship. I lived in LOS for awhile, I speak the Language rather well and this of course colored my opinion. But I have found them to be especially deceitful, secretive etc., THEY DID NOT LIKE THE FACT I SPOKE THEIR LANGUAGE!!!! This applies MORESO to "regular girls" than bar girls.
Now to answer your questions:
Women are women no matter where you go, I find women to be more secretive in general about their past due to societal standards.
1. Filipina seem to be more honest than Thai (and some other Asian women, Malay, Chinese Viets). This does not mean that they will not BS you. The very first Filipina to break my heart (awwwwwww) was a doozy. she was well employed in Taiwan, working there under a false passport, already married in the Phils and looking for a sucker to get her back to the Phils gratis (me) almost anyway, found her out. Point I'm trying to make is that Phil ladies are like any other, (see societal standards) which intheir case mandates a women should be a virginuntil married, chaste otherwise and "maria Clara-like)
Maria Clara being a demure Spanish lady the Epitome of Purity peity etc.
I see plenty of examples of deceitful Filipina, MOST OF THEM ARE BAR GIRLS.
2. Web dating is only a source to meet them, you have to come here to the Phils and see them to determine what they are REALLY LIKE, I don't think the web site matters, you have to concentrate on WHAT THEY ARE SAYING ONCE YOU MEET THEM ONLINE. After a few chats you will probably see what type of person they are. If they start talking about money, flush 'em. If the say things like "I love, you, I want to be yours and yours alone, you are the only man in my life." etc etc. Flush 'em.
I personally beleive the best way to find a "good one" comes from somebody who recommends her, (This is how I met Mrs Spamhog) knows a bit about her background etc.
3. there are a number of way to "TEST" her, I think I've mentioned before I used to do background checks in conjunction with a PI agency, (I dont anymore please dont ask).
You can "Test" her online real easy, I used to get phony Yahoo ID's (just like they do). Some were really funny, I used to use names of Notorious American outlaws like "William H. Bonney" "Clyde Barrow" etc. I would then chat with her under this alias and see what she said, compare it with what she told the client, or if she would ask for money etc.
Sometimes I would hit her with ..."I'm going to be in (your city) next week, can we meet?" Almost every time I would get a "yes". A few from Women who were engaged etc. You can do this yourself or get one of your friends to using an alias to go online with her, send here a pix etc. Now I would do this ONLY in a situation where you have a "committed" relationship, someone you just met on the internet is not going to have the commitment to you nor should you hold them to such a standard to "wait for you". Basically who ever is first in is gonna get it.
You really have to check out her status once you get here, hanging around her neighborhood will tell you a lot. filipino's love to gossip and repeat "Estorias" so you could ask around or have someone ask around on your behalf about her, Yes you can hire a PI to do an extensive background.
Your biggest concerns are that she is NOT a card holding (GRO) prostitute/bar girl. Not a Criminal or Shabu head (drug addict) Does not have a committed relationship with a Filipino BF (or married!) and not working the internet solely for money.
If she has a lot of internet chatmates and even has met one or two before and it didn't work out don't hold it against her. A "good one" will tell you this (as you should tell her).
Spamhog
I totally agree with Spamhog. I can give two examples I've seen first hand in my own travels that also might open your eyes.
1. I brought a girl once from Angeles to Manila (yes I know that is like taking sand to the beach) and for the entire weekend she was texting and receiving overseas calls from her 7 (yes seven) boyfriends. She was upfront about what she was doing as I was pretty honest too and told her I didn't care about her significant others. She even let me read her texts and oh man, she had them all strung along pretty good. She should have won an Academy Award.
2. Once while taking a taxi ride in Manila, I noticed several photos in the taxi of a young Filipina with an older Western gentleman and their kid. Just to make conversation I asked the driver if that was his sister. He replied that it was his girlfriend and she was married to a guy in the UK. They have been together since high school and both agreed she should get married to an older foreigner with a lot of money so that when he died they could be together with the funds she would inherit. He said he had no problem waiting for her since they figured the husband wouldn't even last 10 years because of his age and health and by the time they were in their 30's they'd be together again with a big bank account. This totally shocked me but I'm so thankful for the insight of how deceiptful and treacherous some people are. I know this is probably the exception and not the norm, but it should give anyone pause before looking to a third world country for your mate.
#2 in Soju's post is something ALL OF US NEED TO READ AND RE-READ!!!!
I have found this thinking to be quite prevelant here. Many YOUNG filipina...read those under 25 (say) REALLY WANT A MUCH OLDER FOREIGNER
to MARRY, preferable a guy in his fifties or even sixiteis, the reason is that they got maybe ten years (like an indentured servitude) with Pops until he croaks and leaves them the money/assets in a foreign land (USA?), then they
are young enough to go find another guy their age or return to their Filipino paramour and live well.
As I write this I am preparing to leave Moalboal, I plan a trip report this week, but I ran across one little place that was built by a Foreigner 12 years ago, guy died a few years back,(heart attack) the widow married a younger Filipino.
Be careful of this in THAILAND, sometimes they kill you (drug overdose).
Spamhog
I lived in Manila for seven years and saw all of what all of you are saying. It is all true and more.
I was in a hotel one day and happened to sit with a young (20 something) black American man. He told me a hell of a story.
He met a Filipina in one of the chat rooms and she charmed him. They chatted for weeks and months and he began to send money to her. She promised to marry him when he came.
Well, when he showed up at the airport there was a man holding a sign with his name. Thinking she had arranged a car for him he approached the sign carrying man and introduced himself. The man told him, "I am XXXX's husband and she does not want to see you".
The guy left Manila the day after I talked with him
Beware guys! Make it sex only.
ES
Girlfinder
05-20-07, 09:08
Thanks for your very interesting views on the different pitfalls and what to look for.
GF
Tungsten Chef
05-22-07, 00:37
My girlfriend is a member of Iglesia Ni Cristo. The parents and her would love the vows to be exchanged in the church. I'm not a religious person at all. I've been reading up on their beliefs and ways and to tell you the truth, I'm not to fond of converting. I know it don't make sense, but I was thinking of becoming a member just so she can have a nice wedding with all her friends and relatives in attendance.
The worst thing I noticed about this religion is that you cannot marry someone of a different faith, if you do you are never allowed back in the church again. What a crock!! They really love her money when she attends, but once married to a non Cristo, she's out. That's the thanks you get?? Not much of a choice either, unless the significant other you meet will become the same denomination. Cristo really seems like they run the show too much. Persuading you who to vote for and you cannot be a member of a labor union. I know a co-worker here, he actually gives them 10% of his salary per month. Gee, my lord never asks for money. Isn't a few coins after the service good enough?? I can imagine the cars and houses these people that run the church drive around in.
A civil wedding looks the best for us. I don't want to go to no bible study for 25 days, then being baptized at my age. I just want to be who I am. I know the family will agree to a civil wedding, it's just it really has to be a secret. No friends, no relatives. The church finds out she's married, she can never go back. Not much of a wedding if you ask me. Why does religion have to so strict when all we want is to be happy. P.s. yes I know it's mainly a Phil religion.
Girlfinder
05-23-07, 00:28
I can imagine the cars and houses these people that run the church drive around in.Hehe....is that what everybody try to achieve in all kinds of work...
But back to topic, I guess they are "forced" to stay into their religion. I also once tried to discuss this with my girl but she wouldn't understand. Belief is really what keeps them up there and gives them a hope, I think. Pls tell what you decide - and good luck,
GF
Bill Buxton
05-23-07, 01:40
#2 in Soju's post is something ALL OF US NEED TO READ AND RE-READ!
I have found this thinking to be quite prevelant here. Many YOUNG filipina. Read those under 25 (say) REALLY WANT A MUCH OLDER FOREIGNER
To MARRY, preferable a guy in his fifties or even sixiteis, the reason is that they got maybe ten years (like an indentured servitude) with Pops until he croaks and leaves them the money/assets in a foreign land (USA? ), then they are young enough to go find another guy their age or return to their Filipino paramour and live well.
As I write this I am preparing to leave Moalboal, I plan a trip report this week, but I ran across one little place that was built by a Foreigner 12 years ago, guy died a few years back, (heart attack) the widow married a younger Filipino .
Be careful of this in Thailand, sometimes they kill you (drug overdose).
SpamhogSign a prenup and don't worry about the rest. Yes it is IRONCLAD and where is the gal gonna get the money to fight the family while the case is in probate? You guys kill me, it takes money to fight to get money, and if you are happy to give the cash to the little gal, set up a trust. She gets only so much per month and she can not go through the cash in one stroke. If the details are set up right in another country you have nothing to worry about. As for all the. 10 cent millionares out there, I am sure she will not be a big drain on the estate.
B. B.
I can imagine the cars and houses these people that run the church drive around in.
Oh yes! INC (love the acronym) is a very good business. Praise the lord ;)
Danny 2003
05-23-07, 09:04
I would like to unabashedly confess my stupidity for the sake of discussion and perhaps a lesson or two to be learned.
Like so many others here that admit it or not, I have on occasion barebacked a bar girl. I am not here to justify or condemn this practice, my story is to simply state the possible consequences of such actions.
This story begins with a bar girl named Veronica who I met at Nero’s Forum and had spent three consecutive days with. I reported briefly on this girl earlier in the Angeles section. Although she was fun and I genuinely enjoyed her company, she was getting too attached too quickly so I stopped seeing her.
Fast forward three and a half weeks later.
I went to Nero’s one night and there she is, she looks great, is no longer pouting and is actually a lot of fun so I barfine her. We got a bite to eat at Kokomo’s and we were both having a great time, that is, until she rather nonchalantly tells me she is pregnant and I am (of course) the father! To say that this put a damper on the evening would be a complete understatement!
She tells me that she took a pregnancy test a few days earlier with the help of her housekeeper, (why a housekeeper’s advice is trusted and revered is beyond me). Now, keep in mind that even on my short trip I had seen so many single mothers in Angeles City with no support from the fathers, either foreign or Filipino. Although to be fair, it may be possible under these situations that a foreigner father doesn’t even know he has sired a child. However, the end result is still the same, a single mother that is dirt poor raising a child in an overpopulated third world country. I always said to myself that I would never be one of those guys that consciously abandoned a child or a pregnant mother; I had the simple desire to do the right thing, whatever that might be.
As my head was still spinning with all of these revelations, she then informs me that she took a drug called Cytotec the day before, which from what I understand, is a medication for stomach ulcers that has a certain nasty side effect that will make a pregnant woman have a spontaneous miscarriage. I believe this drug is commonly used by bar girls as an abortion pill.
I came up with a plan, the next morning we would find a doctor; get a real informed opinion on her alleged pregnancy and her medical condition if she really did take some kind of abortion pill. I wanted to be able to make decisions based on facts and not just the word and speculation of a bar girl and her housekeeper. For my part, I would of course pay for any medical bills regardless of the outcome or the diagnosis and I reassured her that I would be there with her from beginning to end. I thought this was a great plan, that is, until she flatly refused to go!
She gave some story about she was afraid of doctors and blah, blah, blah. So here I was faced with this situation where I was determined to do the right thing but was at the total mercy of this girl. Thus began one of the worst days of my life with me trying to reason with a young girl with the mentality of an immature five year old. I tried to reason with her, tried to be the good guy, tried to be the bad guy but she just wouldn’t budge. Finally after about 10 hours of this nonsense she said she wanted to go see her mother in Manila where she promised she would see a doctor. At this point, this idea seemed the best way for me to simply wash my hands of this situation; let her mother deal with this. So I gave her 7,000 pesos to go home and get the help she needed. I of course realize that this whole story could have been a fabrication from the start, but for me the 7,000 pesos eased my conscience to some degree for the slim possibility that she could have been telling the truth.
She did return a few days later with a story of going to the doctor who gave the diagnosis that she was no longer pregnant and there were no ill effects of her taking this Cytotic. The doctor prescribed some medication and said she would be fine, the doctor and pharmacy bills conveniently cost the amount of what I gave her. I did not want to have anything to do with her so I kept her at a distance the rest of my time in Angeles despite her numerous calls and text messages.
In looking back at this I can say that I handled this situation rather poorly, clearly there would be a lot of things I would do differently if I could. Upon reflection, I don’t think she was ever pregnant, I believe she made up this story for one or more of the following reasons:
1. She wanted a foreigner boyfriend and this was some psychotic way to trap one.
2. She wanted attention. She was queen for a day when she found a sucker like me!
3. She wanted a moneyko. That is, this was all a ruse to get some money out of some poor sap who didn’t know any better. In my case, it worked.
4. She was bored and I made for some good entertainment, plus she had a great story to tell all of her girlfriends back at the bar.
If only I had worn that condom.Sagramore, I like to read some of your reports even I'm not very good to speak in english at least I understand some of the story! Thats true. Many single mothers there in ac but most of theor Filipino bf only. They always think that story to get more extra money. Actually I won't beleive any of bar girls about that. Except, shes a normal girls. I mean she gave you the first time (virgin). Anyway thanks for your report.
Guys,
I need some advice.
My biggest problem is:
How can I date a girl, and tell her I just want one thing, and then meet another girl the next day?
What if the girl see's me with another girl?
What is the best way to let a girl know right away what the score is?
Bill Buxton
07-14-07, 11:04
Guys,
I need some advice.
My biggest problem is:
How can I date a girl, and tell her I just want one thing, and then meet another girl the next day?
What if the girl see's me with another girl?
What is the best way to let a girl know right away what the score is?Let her know straight up whats up and could be she will try harder to make you happy. Please don't think the little princess has no idea you might do that already. I would worry about how many she has in line and protect yourself. Could be she will break your heart before you ever get close to hers.
B.B.
FireWalker
07-14-07, 22:24
Guys,
I need some advice.
My biggest problem is:
How can I date a girl, and tell her I just want one thing, and then meet another girl the next day?
What if the girl see's me with another girl?
What is the best way to let a girl know right away what the score is?
Just introduce yourself as "Mr. Butterfly". Even my regular girl calls me that lovingly.
FireWalker
07-14-07, 22:26
Oh yes! INC (love the acronym) is a very good business. Praise the lord ;)
INC is not an acronym, but yes the church is a great business to start. I think it is one that could be successful in PI.
Frequent Flier
07-15-07, 07:52
Sign a prenup and don't worry about the rest. Yes it is IRONCLAD and where is the gal gonna get the money to fight the family while the case is in probate? You guys kill me, it takes money to fight to get money, and if you are happy to give the cash to the little gal, set up a trust. She gets only so much per month and she can not go through the cash in one stroke. If the details are set up right in another country you have nothing to worry about. As for all the. 10 cent millionares out there, I am sure she will not be a big drain on the estate.
B. B.
Not sure of other countries, but this is true for the USA.
All you need is reasonable reason to sue and a lawyers belief or actual knowledge of enough money for it to be worth their time.
There are thousands of ambulance chasers out there that know it will be settled long before it goes to court and will be willing to take the case based on the chance of winning or really settling out of court.
No offense to any lawyers out there, but the goal is not to go to court for both lawyers. They get paid for doing less than half the case load most of the time. Plus, it is true that the preparation for trial and the actual trial portion is and will be the most expensive part. Other family members could easily see all that wealth coming their way reduced to very little trying to keep all or most of the money. Remember in the the USA you can sue a Ham Sandwich if you desire.
I have been on the receiving side of some ridiculous law suits that I had to settle to keep from going to court where it would have cost double the settlement.
FF
Fastpiston
07-15-07, 08:14
I have seen a number of reports about girls claiming to mongers that they are pregnant from them and that she is 'afraid of doctors' - first sign of a scam to avoid going to a doctor with you and being revealed as a scammer. Solution is simple, buy a pregnancy test kit from a drugstore (very cheap and readily available in most drugstores). Just get the woman to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on the card and see the result for yourself. If she is pregnant, just be aware that most AC girls have Filipino boyfriends, living off their earnings (foodchain).
Bill Buxton
07-15-07, 09:56
I have seen a number of reports about girls claiming to mongers that they are pregnant from them and that she is 'afraid of doctors' - first sign of a scam to avoid going to a doctor with you and being revealed as a scammer. Solution is simple, buy a pregnancy test kit from a drugstore (very cheap and readily available in most drugstores). Just get the woman to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on the card and see the result for yourself. If she is pregnant, just be aware that most AC girls have Filipino boyfriends, living off their earnings (foodchain).This is not just a problem with the most have bf's in ac it's allover. They all if they like you or think they can get pere from you try the guess what card. Pregnancy is a well overused scamm that gals use here, and all over the globe. Remember the quick drug store test sa stated above, could set the record straight fast. They all try "by hook or by crook"they all need pera!
B. B.
TeenieWeenie
07-16-07, 02:36
I swiped this from "Dragonslayers" Forum:
"I took a bath and dressed after lalaine departed to await the call from her "fiance", . Cyber Mike. This guy has to be dumber than a fucking donkey. I did her three times and got a decent blowjob. He sends her $200-300/Mo and calls twice daily to be certain she has no one else (how do I place a huge laughing icon here? ). "
If a girl asks you for money, you are being played. Maybe there is an exception to this, but I would say the odds are overwhelmingly against you.
Don't be a schmuck!
Fastpiston
07-16-07, 09:47
i swiped this from "dragonslayers" forum:
"i took a bath and dressed after lalaine departed to await the call from her "fiance", . cyber mike. this guy has to be dumber than a fucking donkey. i did her three times and got a decent blowjob. he sends her $200-300/mo and calls twice daily to be certain she has no one else (how do i place a huge laughing icon here? ). "
if a girl asks you for money, you are being played. maybe there is an exception to this, but i would say the odds are overwhelmingly against you.
don't be a schmuck!looking through this board sometimes, i wonder if some grown up guys are really 'babes in the wood'! a few simple hints, easily determined from looking at the archives on this board:
1) don't overpay and ruin the market for yourself and others. if you buy cars in different countries, they cost different according to the local market price. in the bars, the girls are selling a service - pay the local price. don't compare with us and other places, they are irrelevant as they are different markets.
2) if you must send money to girls, check out the girl first over several months before you do it. if she has jewellery, new cell phone etc. where did she really get the money from? talk to her friends / colleagues carefully, discretely, they may drop hints or make slips on what is going on.
3) if you hear that the buffalo, mother, sister is sick and she needs money urgently, watch out! if you meet the family and they look upon the visit as a way of getting a 'free meal' or ask for money - you will have trouble in the future, believe me.
4) if you must get deep with a girl, get her a phone landline - that way you know whether she is at home at night. call at random.
5) don't fall for the "i am having your baby" thing, especially if she says she is scared of seeing a doctor. get a preg test from most drugstores in phils, all she has to do is [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) on the marker stick. if positive insist absolutely on seeing the doctor to get your own estimate on when she was fucked. if you were not in town - you have an alibi. if she does conceive, check the dna of the baby against your own. any mismatch, you can walk away with a clear mind - it is someone else's.
6) try and get a girl from outside the bar scene - better hit rates for quality. there are fabulous girls about in phils. who really have fantastic characters: loving, honest, dedicated -if that is what you want. how do you get them - easy - put up the image of being a really good, religious, catholic boy, and talk to locals (who are not in bar scene) casually that you are looking for a serious girlfriend - tell them the kind of girl you are looking for and you will be overloaded with introductions. always say this is your first trip to the philippines and that you are on a business trip. filipinos always think that you already have a girl if it is your second trip. usually first meeting with such a girl is sex free. during that meeting be the good innocent boy on a business trip. she will go home and talk nonstop about how great you are to all her friends. on second meeting, say how lovely she is and how you love her and want so much to make love as that is the way to develop the relationship further. from that point i think you know what to do!
SpaceHerpes
08-19-07, 17:12
I have been reading some of these stories and I find myself possibly in one of those situations.
I met this girl on Asia Euro and we started talking on yahoo I'm. I forget what city she lived in but I know that it was not Manila or close to it. Now, she was real sweet and we talked and saw each other on the webcam for days. Then all of a sudden, she was not on line for a week. The next time we spoke, she claims she lost her phone and that is why she could not talk to me. So she kept talking about needing money to get a new phone. She did not outright ask for it but she kept talking about it. Now, like a dumb ass, I offered 50 bucks and she jumped on it. Mind you, this is all new to me so I asked how I could send it and so we decided to send it Western Union. I asked her where to send it and she gave a name of some other girl which right there a red flag went up but it was only 50 bucks so I did it. She promised the next time if I sent money, I would send it to her address and her name.
Now, the address was in Pasay City but Cecille (the scammer) specifically said she was in another city far away from Manila in fact she went as far as to say she had never been to Manila. Now the next time we spoke, she said that her daughter (Hazel Jane) needed to go to Cebu for some thing with her school and needed a plane ticket. Once again, she never asked for it, she just kept complaining. At this point, I offered to help again but I would need to send it to her name and address (which I wa snot really going to help, I just wanted to call her bluff). Once again, she made up some stupid story but this time I did not send anything and just said I had to fix my car After that I ignored her for a few days. Anyway, the next time I talked to her, I confronted her about my feelings and she reassured me that it was all coincidental and I just chalked it up to her being poor and having a rough life. So we continued to talk and we got along great. She was funny, charismatic and witty. Now I have talked to a few Filipinas and there are some that just seem dull, but not Cecille, she was different.
Ok, se we start getting closer and more serious, so now she says she is moving to Manila to work because I am planning on visiting in Jan 08 and she claims she is going to work at the Asia Mall until I get there. Again, she starts complaining about needing money for a plane ticket to get to Manila and once again, I don't give her anymore money. I know by this time I should have just dumped her on the curb because I have seen and talked to so many Filipinas from that website that were WAY better looking than Cecille but I really liked her so I kept the relationship going but I was cautious all while talking to a few other girls too. Hehehehe.
Oh yeah, again, she cries about a phone because my 50 dollars was not enough and she was saving that 50 till when she can afford a new phone. Meanwhile, she swipes out her sim card with all these different cell phones and I see them at diff times when we speak and use the cam.
Ok, so now she is in Manila and we barely talk now. I call her sometimes late at night and she is up doing God knows what. At least 3 times I have called and she was at a bar or listening to a live band with her so called "friends". So last week, she says she moved into a new apartment with her cousin (which she seems to have so many relatives all over the Philipennes) and I said I would send her some money or something so she gives me the address and it's in Pasay city too like the original address she gave me. This one has a diff name too and she claims it is her landlady. So anyway, I started reading on the web and I found out SO many things about the area she lives in right now and it is infested with brothels and places where Filipinas live to have sex with westerners. I read all about the protitutes in the Philipennes thanks to sites like this one and another one so now I am not a newbie.
Now my guess is that Cecille is one of those *****s who goes out at night and meets westerners for sucking and fucking but what I can't figure out is this; I have not sent her money since that first time so why does she not just ignore me? I mean, if she can't score money from me, why does she string me along?
Mind you, I am not as much as a dumbass as some of you may be thinking as you read this because I have been talking to 2 other girls while I have been talking to Cecille and they are EXACTLY as some of you described the "GOOD GIRLS" to be.
They send me tons of pics, they live with heir families, hell I even talked to one the girls mother on the phone and NEITHER one of them has mentioned money one time.
Anyway, here is the address to where Cecille is supposed to live
183-the Progresso st. F. B. Harrison, Pasay city 1300
See/o melodivina "medy" Gemina
Her name is supposedly Cecille Gayan. So if any of you are in the area and need to get laid, hit her up and tap that ass a few times for me.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I can tell you for a fact that Cecille is a bar-girl that works at the EDSA Complex in Pasay (which is part of Manila). I met her on my last trip to the Philippines this past May and I barfined her on two different occasions. She is a pretty girl with a fun personality but I would definitely put her in the scammer category.
My experience with her is that she told me she was pregnant and that I was, of course, the father. (This is an all too familiar theme for me if you read my past postings!) By this time I was home in my country so I asked her to go to a doctor and get a pregnancy test, scan the results and send them to me and prove to me she is pregnant. She never did.
She then told me she went back to live with her family in General Santos City (which is part of Mindinao) and that she was having difficulties with her pregnancy. She gave me a story that she was in the hospital and wanted me to send money for medical bills. I told her I would send money and reimburse her bills if she scanned the receipts and doctor notes she had and sent them to me. I’m still waiting.
The funny thing about her was she would trash the other girls in the bar because they were liars and cheats. I guess it takes one to know one!
There are some good girls on those sites but there are also the scammers. You did a good job of suspecting a scammer in this case. The best thing for you to do is to get on a plane and experience the country and the women in person; once you do you will never be the same!
PM me if you want any details on Cecille.
Cheers!
GoodEnough
08-20-07, 06:55
Very nice report. Many of these girls run so many scams on so many different guys at the same time that they cannot keep their stories straight and cannot remember to which guy they told which story. No one ever accused them of being the brightest bulbs in the chandelier. Most of these women come from extreme poverty, and most who are in the sex trade in Manila, don't come from there, or even from Luzon, but from anther province. Many have been impregnated by irresponsible Filipinos who promptly flee the scene, leaving them destitute and without child support, Since most of these girls have zero education, no skills (except fucking) and no money, they wind up as sex workers.
Many (though certainly not all) of these women also lay on their backs to support not only their children, but their families since the parents are too fucking lazy to work and prefer to live off of their daughter's income from prostitution. They never have enough money and they're always on the look out for avenues to acquire more.
Even those whom you meet on one of the chat sites often string along several guys at the same time, hoping that maybe someday one of them will show up here and take them away from the lives they know. I agree with Sagramore. The only way to truly separate the wheat from the chaff is to come here, meet the ladies (without their families) and spend a while getting a sense of their characters. There are lovely, honest, faithful women here, but you will not be able to differentiate them from the rest of the scamming crowd without a personal visit. In the meantime, I advise you not to send any money to anyone for any reason no matter how poignant the story or the tale of woe. Remember, there are thousands of women for each prospective visitor, and believe me, if you come here, you will have a wide spectrum of candidates from among which you can choose.
For whatever it's worth, I also advise that you avoid the girls from Manila, simply because there's a greater concentration of scam artists in the metro area than in other places. Better to head for another area and to cultivate relationships from Mindanao, Dumaguete, or any of the other 7,000 or so islands that comprise this country.
I've lived here now for almost five years, and I can no longer count the number of guys I've seen scammed, despite all advice received, by women whom, they insisted, were "different from those scammers." In the case of the Philippines, seeing really is believing.
GE
SpaceHerpes
08-20-07, 07:41
I can tell you for a fact that Cecille is a bar-girl that works at the EDSA Complex in Pasay (which is part of Manila). I met her on my last trip to the Philippines this past May and I barfined her on two different occasions. She is a pretty girl with a fun personality but I would definitely put her in the scammer category.
My experience with her is that she told me she was pregnant and that I was, of course, the father. (This is an all too familiar theme for me if you read my past postings!) By this time I was home in my country so I asked her to go to a doctor and get a pregnancy test, scan the results and send them to me and prove to me she is pregnant. She never did.
She then told me she went back to live with her family in General Santos City (which is part of Mindinao) and that she was having difficulties with her pregnancy. She gave me a story that she was in the hospital and wanted me to send money for medical bills. I told her I would send money and reimburse her bills if she scanned the receipts and doctor notes she had and sent them to me. I’m still waiting.
The funny thing about her was she would trash the other girls in the bar because they were liars and cheats. I guess it takes one to know one!
There are some good girls on those sites but there are also the scammers. You did a good job of suspecting a scammer in this case. The best thing for you to do is to get on a plane and experience the country and the women in person; once you do you will never be the same!
PM me if you want any details on Cecille.
Cheers!Yesterday I ended it with her. I accused her of being a ***** and told her why I thought she was a ***** and of course she denied it all. She started crying and was a TOTAL WRECK. I know this because while I was breaking up with her, I asked to see her on the cam and she was defiantly balling her eyes out. I felt really bad because I really had strong feelings for her.
It's also funny that you mentioned Mindinau because that is where I think she was from. And, she also mentioned that she was sick and in the hospital for 1-2 days but I forget the date, I think it was like 3-4 weeks ago.
Anyway, if you could just describe her here that would be great. If not, I will just buy a subscription and we will correspond through the PM's because even though I dumped her, I would like make sure I did the right thing because right now, I feel pretty guilty.
Very nice report. Many of these girls run so many scams on so many different guys at the same time that they cannot keep their stories straight and cannot remember to which guy they told which story. No one ever accused them of being the brightest bulbs in the chandelier. Most of these women come from extreme poverty, and most who are in the sex trade in Manila, don't come from there, or even from Luzon, but from anther province. Many have been impregnated by irresponsible Filipinos who promptly flee the scene, leaving them destitute and without child support, Since most of these girls have zero education, no skills (except fucking) and no money, they wind up as sex workers.
Many (though certainly not all) of these women also lay on their backs to support not only their children, but their families since the parents are too fucking lazy to work and prefer to live off of their daughter's income from prostitution. They never have enough money and they're always on the look out for avenues to acquire more.
Even those whom you meet on one of the chat sites often string along several guys at the same time, hoping that maybe someday one of them will show up here and take them away from the lives they know. I agree with Sagramore. The only way to truly separate the wheat from the chaff is to come here, meet the ladies (without their families) and spend a while getting a sense of their characters. There are lovely, honest, faithful women here, but you will not be able to differentiate them from the rest of the scamming crowd without a personal visit. In the meantime, I advise you not to send any money to anyone for any reason no matter how poignant the story or the tale of woe. Remember, there are thousands of women for each prospective visitor, and believe me, if you come here, you will have a wide spectrum of candidates from among which you can choose.
For whatever it's worth, I also advise that you avoid the girls from Manila, simply because there's a greater concentration of scam artists in the metro area than in other places. Better to head for another area and to cultivate relationships from Mindanao, Dumaguete, or any of the other 7,000 or so islands that comprise this country.
I've lived here now for almost five years, and I can no longer count the number of guys I've seen scammed, despite all advice received, by women whom, they insisted, were "different from those scammers." In the case of the Philippines, seeing really is believing.
GEGreat advice. It matches exactly my experiences over many years around the world. The RP girls are the most clever or cunning of the world's scammers - many can and do tell lies in the most convincing manner. I do not think that poverty explains the situation entirely - maybe it is a national characteristic to do things the easiest way possible, especially if they can rip off a foreigner.
You asked a question in your post about why would a girl string you along, in my opinion, why not? You have already sent her money once; therefore you have proven yourself as a "tree that bears fruit" and you have also given her the impression that you would send money again. It costs her very little to have contact with you, she knows she will probably never meet you in person so what’s the harm in fabricating a few dramatic stories in the hopes that it may produce a little extra cash.
Also, keep in mind that the Philippines is a poor country, there are many hard working Filipinos that make less than $5 a day. Even though $50 is not a lot to you, it is to a person that makes $150 a month. To put things in perspective, you gave her more than I did for two full nights of passion!
Cheers!
Well, a bit too negative GE, but I guess you have to be blunt to make sure the message gets out. Love is blind....
I'll add two things...and I've said this before.
1) If a lady hints about money, or asks for money, no reason to get bent out of shape and call her a scammer. The smart and devious ladies will just adapt and refine their technique. Just let it slide....no sense in training them to be better scammers.
2) If she's trying to "scam" you, she probably is desperate (maybe greedy desperate) and / or of low moral character. Either way, a woman like that is more likely to get comfortable on your hotel bed. (I know from experience) So, make sure you get her email address and phone number. This is especially true for those who have poor scam techniques....the good ones are already making too much money to bother...
3) Okay, I lied, I have three points. If you go to the Philippines to meet a chat friend and she is eager to go shopping, this is probably a bad sign. At one time I thought a few gifts would be a good investment with girls I met online...but, I've never had a good payoff. They typically expect more, more, more. As for online girls, meet them at the food court in the mall. The food is cheap and you keep their expectations low. Things can only get better (especially if she money focused). If you want to spend money on a lady, suggest an overnight trip to the beach. I've never had that plan backfire - yet.
X Man
SpaceHerpes
08-20-07, 23:36
You asked a question in your post about why would a girl string you along, in my opinion, why not? You have already sent her money once; therefore you have proven yourself as a "tree that bears fruit" and you have also given her the impression that you would send money again. It costs her very little to have contact with you, she knows she will probably never meet you in person so what’s the harm in fabricating a few dramatic stories in the hopes that it may produce a little extra cash.
Also, keep in mind that the Philippines is a poor country, there are many hard working Filipinos that make less than $5 a day. Even though $50 is not a lot to you, it is to a person that makes $150 a month. To put things in perspective, you gave her more than I did for two full nights of passion!
Cheers!Hey man, I am sure Cecille is a very common name in PI what makes you think the girl I am talking about is the same one you have had sex with?
I aksed you to describe what she looks like before but you did not. I am not saying it is not the same person but you seem so sure even though I never described her or even showed a pic.
How about you describe her for me like I asked in my first response to you.
In other words, her hair color, her hair length. What kind of face does she have? How about how tall? Is she thin and petite or does she have some meat on her bones? Is she flat chested, medium or big breasted(which would be unusual if she did have big breasts) :)
Anyway, stop assuming it is her, just describe her to me on here and then we can see if it's the same person. Thx.
I'm already tired of hearing about this lady. You already unnecessarily busted her chops online, so why spend one more minute on it?
And one more thing, you should NOT be insulting someone online that you have never met just because you sent her money unnecessarily. You said yourself that she never asks for money, only hints about it.
What if her little sister happened to be sharing the computer with her when you had your little outburst? Have some decency man.
X Man
Hey man, I am sure Cecille is a very common name in PI what makes you think the girl I am talking about is the same one you have had sex with?
I aksed you to describe what she looks like before but you did not. I am not saying it is not the same person but you seem so sure even though I never described her or even showed a pic.
How about you describe her for me like I asked in my first response to you.
In other words, her hair color, her hair length. What kind of face does she have? How about how tall? Is she thin and petite or does she have some meat on her bones? Is she flat chested, medium or big breasted(which would be unusual if she did have big breasts) :)
Anyway, stop assuming it is her, just describe her to me on here and then we can see if it's the same person. Thx.
SpaceHerpes
08-21-07, 10:56
I'm already tired of hearing about this lady. You already unnecessarily busted her chops online, so why spend one more minute on it?
And one more thing, you should NOT be insulting someone online that you have never met just because you sent her money unnecessarily. You said yourself that she never asks for money, only hints about it.
What if her little sister happened to be sharing the computer with her when you had your little outburst? Have some decency man.
X ManI guess you never read my original post where I stated all the strange occurrences that happened which led me to believe she might be a scammer.
I came on here for advice from experts which I am not. Some of you guys have been to the very same places I am asking about and I needed some much needed help.
Also, I even posted that I really liked her alot and I felt guilty after I did what I did because even though I may not trust her, I still had some feelings for her. BTW, lets not question my behavior because I have never dropped a dime on any prostitute in my life so suggesting I was being too harsh on a girl or whether or not her little sister may have been in the room when I did is laughable consider what this site is really all about.
If you don't like what I have to talk about, just move along, show me some coutesy even if I am a new here, there is no need to be the MEAN FORUM TROLL to me. I just needed some advice so like I said, just move along or ignore my posts, thats what an adult does right?
FireWalker
08-21-07, 11:56
I'd like to add another point to the discussion about Scammers vs. Good Girls on internet.
Even if you find a gem on the internet, chances are she knows or is related to a scammer. The scammers share their secrets with their relatives. Even if a girl has pretty good character, she will use some of her scammer relative's trade secrets. She may have boundaries that she tries not to cross, but . . .
it is hard to argue with success.
Spaceherpes,
You posted for the first time on this forum telling the story on how you think you are being scammed by a girl you met on the internet. I replied to your post in an effort to help you as I actually know the woman you were referring to.
The reason I am so sure we are talking about the same Cecille is because you gave her last name on your first report, also her daughter’s name.
I am more than happy to provide more details about her but not in this public forum as I don’t think it’s appropriate. If you PM me I can give you the email addresses, chat ID’s for her as well as pictures.
Cheers!
SpaceHerpes
08-21-07, 13:07
I'd like to add another point to the discussion about Scammers vs. Good Girls on internet.
Even if you find a gem on the internet, chances are she knows or is related to a scammer. The scammers share their secrets with their relatives. Even if a girl has pretty good character, she will use some of her scammer relative's trade secrets. She may have boundaries that she tries not to cross, but . . .
It is hard to argue with success.Yeah, I hear you. I understand and you know what, I don't dislike the Filipino people. I think overall they are wonderful. Hell, this girl even after all the things that have happened and what I said to her, she still is trying to talk to me and stupid or not, I am still talking to her but I will keep her at arms length. I can't relate to being poor and having to sell my body to make a little money but I can see how if a person is desperate, they will do just about anything for some scratch. I have read some horror stories about [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and all sorts of terrible things that happen to young men and women in these poor countries and I feel bad. I thank goodness that I am lucky enough not to live like they have to.
Anyway, I will continue to talk to Cecille but I will keep her at arms length. Like I said, I still can't believe after all the bad things I said to her she still wants to talk to me. But like someone said, I gave her 50 bucks already so whats the harm in stringing me along, I may send more (NOT! )
Oh yeah, I am talking to another girl who I think is a scammer. She sent me a bunch of pics and she is very nice looking, real innocent looking with light skin and a beautiful face. She says she has NEVER had a BF and she is 28. So she then says she has internet connection at home but she has no phone number or phone. How is that possible, last time I checked, the dsl runs form the phone line? I know I need a phone number for dsl so just incase it goes down, I can use dial up on a modem. Anyway she says her BDAY is in two days and asked if I would send her a card (mind you, we have been talking for 5 minutes). So I ask her for her bday year/day and month and she pauses for like 30 seconds. She comes back with 08/22/1978. Now she says she will be 28 on the 22nd but according to my calculations, she will be. 29 Unless I am retarded which is likely LOL.
I also had some other girl show me her tits on the web cam which my reply was.
"I'm sorry but I am not going to pay alot for this muffler"
Which I am sure only Americans over 30 may get. I know she did not. Anyway, I actually have a good time flirting with all these girls and I can't wait to go the PI. I hope when I go, someone from here will show me the ropes.
Yes, Yes, Yes, listen to FW. For us regulars, this is just such common knowledge that we don't even think about mentioning it.
I met a professional lady from GSC, which is about as far from MLA as you can get, and she flat out told me that some of her friends had quit good jobs in order to go into the business of online scamming or begging or whatever you want to call it. (we need a better name).
Once again, if you get a really lame attempt at a scam, don't slam the girl. Don't teach her how to improve her game. You might do a hell of a lot better by saying, "well, i'm sorry your house burned down, and you're starving, and the elctricty bill is unpaid...but I wish you the very best."
When you do that you hint that you know what she's doing, but you help her save face. A key to surviving in Asia is understanding how to save face.
I don't mean to offend anyone, but Americans / Brits / ozzies seem to be particularly bad at this rather harmless social technique. Americans have the additional limitation of being loud and occasionally suggesting that the solution to geopolitical problems is nuking the population which seems to offend you.
I'm going off on a tangent..sorry. Work gets busy next week, so I WILL NOT
be clogging up the threads with my rants...
X Man
I'd like to add another point to the discussion about Scammers vs. Good Girls on internet.
Even if you find a gem on the internet, chances are she knows or is related to a scammer. The scammers share their secrets with their relatives. Even if a girl has pretty good character, she will use some of her scammer relative's trade secrets. She may have boundaries that she tries not to cross, but . . .
it is hard to argue with success.
Luvulooongtime
08-21-07, 15:58
A little background on myself: I am an amercian born Meztiso (half-Filipino ) who is culturally american. I have ladies I have met through Filipinaheart and picking up in the Malls who have requested cash for various emergencies such as sickness, education, building material etc. Etc. Some of these requests are legit. But I am sure some were just for living expenses. Also I have learned that "loan" really means gift. LOL. So Gentlemen, whenever you hear a sad story, it could be total be. S. But if you are aware of this you cannot be duped. But all in all, I love visiting the PI and screwing as many women as I can.
My opinion: only give to those you have met in person and spent some time with or else you may regret your generosity.
Luvulooongtime
SpaceHerpes
08-21-07, 16:44
I don't mean to offend anyone, but Americans / Brits / ozzies seem to be particularly bad at this rather harmless social technique. Americans have the additional limitation of being loud and occasionally suggesting that the solution to geopolitical problems is nuking the population which seems to offend you.The comment you made about Americans as much as it offends me, it is so freaking true.
Now, I am not one of those types of people but many Americans are. They are not only ignorant but close minded. It's obvious because they elected GW for a second term and that is all the empirical evidence you need.
Anyway, like I said before, I felt bad in confronting her and maybe it was a bad idea. But that is what newbies do, they live and learn. hopefully, I can learn from my mistakes and make friends with some of you guys on here so when my time comes to go to the Philippines, I don't look or act like a schmuck.
Oh yeah, that girl Cecille sent me some more pics recently because I had been asking for them for so long so after we had our little argument, she sent me some of her which must be very recent. She sent me a few pics of her sitting and lying on a bed and she has these knee high black boots on with what looks like some very high heels. It's obviously a Hotel Room by the tile floor and the generic white sheets and tan thin blanket that every cheap hotel has and you can clearly see a carryon bag on the floor and one of those rectangle shaped suitcases with the wheels on the bottom. I guess I am still just paranoid eh?
I think it is funny, but sad at the same time.
SpaceHerpes
08-22-07, 01:30
Spaceherpes,
You posted for the first time on this forum telling the story on how you think you are being scammed by a girl you met on the internet. I replied to your post in an effort to help you as I actually know the woman you were referring to.
The reason I am so sure we are talking about the same Cecille is because you gave her last name on your first report, also her daughter’s name.
I am more than happy to provide more details about her but not in this public forum as I don’t think it’s appropriate. If you PM me I can give you the email addresses, chat ID’s for her as well as pictures.
Cheers!Hey man, I am sorry about that, I forgot that I had mentioned her daughters name. I just purchased a pm subscription so hopefully, it will be activated so I cam pm you. I am very curious to know more.
Thanks again man!
I have met and spent time with my share of bargirls and have made a few observations; keep in mind that bargirls are different from “normal girls” in that there are plenty of poor women who never, or will never cross that line and work in a bar.
Having said that, I have a great deal of compassion for these bargirls; they come from a background of poverty and hardship that anyone living in a modern western country cannot understand because it simply does not exist in their countries. These women are desperate and often times uneducated, this, however, does not mean that they do not have pride. None of these women like the situation they are in and they certainly don’t like they way they have to make a living and they will usually lie to their families back home about their true occupation. Often times they are filled a sense of shame, it should be of no surprise that Cecille would burst into tears after being called a *****, after all these women are human and have feelings too.
However, just because someone is poor does not justify the scams and lies that these girls may pull over, but it does go a long way to explain what motivates them. It is relatively easy to understand the motivations of the women in these situations, but to be honest, I can’t understand what motivates some men to send money to women they have never even met. Now keep in mind I’m not picking on Spaceherpes for his gift of $50, I am referring more to the guys that will send hundreds if not thousands every month to women they have not met in person and probably never will.
I am amazed at the stories I hear so many times over, it is at the point where I actually don’t hold it against a girl if she can scam a guy over the internet. If I guy is that foolish then he deserves it to some extent. The most outrages amount I’ve personally heard of is from a friend I met on my first trip to the Phils, she is not a bargirl and is very attractive and personable, she had a virtual relationship with an American and he gave her $40,000 over the course of a year! Keep in mind they never met in person! Needless to say their relationship did not last.
Spaceherpes,
I wouldn’t be surprised if the pictures she sent you are ones that I took of her as your descriptions sound very familiar. If it is, it’s not really a cheap motel, pretty much all hotels in the Phils look that way. ;)
Cheers!
SpaceHerpes
08-22-07, 10:45
I have met and spent time with my share of bargirls and have made a few observations; keep in mind that bargirls are different from “normal girls” in that there are plenty of poor women who never, or will never cross that line and work in a bar.
Having said that, I have a great deal of compassion for these bargirls; they come from a background of poverty and hardship that anyone living in a modern western country cannot understand because it simply does not exist in their countries. These women are desperate and often times uneducated, this, however, does not mean that they do not have pride. None of these women like the situation they are in and they certainly don’t like they way they have to make a living and they will usually lie to their families back home about their true occupation. Often times they are filled a sense of shame, it should be of no surprise that Cecille would burst into tears after being called a *****, after all these women are human and have feelings too.
However, just because someone is poor does not justify the scams and lies that these girls may pull over, but it does go a long way to explain what motivates them. It is relatively easy to understand the motivations of the women in these situations, but to be honest, I can’t understand what motivates some men to send money to women they have never even met. Now keep in mind I’m not picking on Spaceherpes for his gift of $50, I am referring more to the guys that will send hundreds if not thousands every month to women they have not met in person and probably never will.
I am amazed at the stories I hear so many times over, it is at the point where I actually don’t hold it against a girl if she can scam a guy over the internet. If I guy is that foolish then he deserves it to some extent. The most outrages amount I’ve personally heard of is from a friend I met on my first trip to the Phils, she is not a bargirl and is very attractive and personable, she had a virtual relationship with an American and he gave her $40,000 over the course of a year! Keep in mind they never met in person! Needless to say their relationship did not last.
Spaceherpes,
I wouldn’t be surprised if the pictures she sent you are ones that I took of her as your descriptions sound very familiar. If it is, it’s not really a cheap motel, pretty much all hotels in the Phils look that way. ;)
Cheers!I understand, and it's a complicated thing. You see, like I mentioned before, I was very new to this whole thing and luckily, I catch on quickly. You know the old saying "Fool me once, blah blah blah". Well anyway, I really liked her and I think any man or woman that has feelings for someone would be really pissed to find something out like this. Remember, I only came to this site because I wanted to find out if she was what I suspected her of being.
Now, since coming to this site and reading about the experiences many of you guys have had, to be honest, this is one of my fantasies and I will be going to PI VERY SOON to indulge myself. Hell, if I could get a job there, and make what I make in the states, I would move there for a few years.
I live in South Florida and I have dated all of South America. From Colombians to Brazilians. Hell, I even dated an Au Pair from the Czech Republic and a girl from Switzerland. Thats pretty good for a guy who has never been outside of this side of the world. So since, I LOVE dark skin beauties, particularly Asian ones, I really can't wait to visit the Philippines and have some fun. I have never paid for it but I certainly have no problems with doing so.
BTW, Brazilian women are the most passionate and intense lovers, I am sure the guys on here who have been to Brazil or have had a Brazilian girl know that already. The one Columbian I had was not that bad either.
Sag, like I said before, as soon as my subscription goes through, I will be contacting you for that info.
Also, when is the next time you will visit PI? You sound like the perfect mentor to show me the way!!!
I appreciate your patience and help on this one!!
Luvulooongtime
08-22-07, 15:57
My cousin told me a Filipino proverb: "When poverty enters the front door, morality is thrown out the window. " Gentlemen: . Fuck as many as you can. Spread a little cash. Have a great time. Just do not be stupid.
Luvulongtime
my first thought was, "is your cousin a filipino?"
my second thought was "george bush isn't poor." (numerous other wealthy and immoral people's names can be inserted here instead of gb...)
my third thought was, "is your cousin talking from the perspective of the poor, or the not-poor considering how to deal with the poor?" any if it's the second point, how in hell does he know?
x man
i sometimes play a little magic trick with kids. first you show them the coin and then after the magic, the coin disappears - then reappears out of their ear or somwhere else. i once tried this little show with a filipino kid. first, i showed him the coin. with the speed of light, he grabbed the coin, squeezed it tightly in his fist, and smiled at me.
was he rude, was he a thief?
nope, just using his own local common sense. when a fool hands out money, take it!
ha, ha, sorry for laughing at my own joke. can i get an isg copyright on that little story/ analogy?
my cousin told me a filipino proverb: "when poverty enters the front door, morality is thrown out the window. " gentlemen: . fuck as many as you can. spread a little cash. have a great time. just do not be stupid.
luvulongtime
Luvulooongtime
08-23-07, 15:31
Yup, X-man, my cousin is Filipino . He grew up in Tando. I did not intend to imply that wealthy people are more moral. Just that morality is not a priority when your survival is at stake. I, in fact, despise Bush and others who are privaleged, yet cannot set a good example as leaders. I just want to warn fellow and would be mongers to be aware of the lengths people will go to get money out of foreigners. My cousins warned me when I go to Manila to be careful. As provincials they did no realize I grew up in tough part of America and I am not easily fooled or intimidated; ) Compared to where I grew up I feel Manila is relatively safe and a disneyland for men. Just donot be stupid and you will enjoy.
Luvuloongtime
Luvulooongtime
08-23-07, 15:40
On last point X, my cousin grew up in proverty in Tando, yet managed to escape to USA And make a good life for himself. My only point is when you are hungry, your thoughts are not on moral niceities. So if you are scammed, you are probably stupid/naive. Just be aware and enjoy.
Luvulongtime
SpaceHerpes
08-23-07, 17:22
my first thought was, "is your cousin a filipino?"
my second thought was "george bush isn't poor." (numerous other wealthy and immoral people's names can be inserted here instead of gb...)
my third thought was, "is your cousin talking from the perspective of the poor, or the not-poor considering how to deal with the poor?" any if it's the second point, how in hell does he know?
x man
i sometimes play a little magic trick with kids. first you show them the coin and then after the magic, the coin disappears - then reappears out of their ear or somewhere else. i once tried this little show with a filipino kid. first, i showed him the coin. with the speed of light, he grabbed the coin, squeezed it tightly in his fist, and smiled at me.
was he rude, was he a thief?
nope, just using his own local common sense. when a fool hands out money, take it!
ha, ha, sorry for laughing at my own joke. can i get an isg copyright on that little story/ analogy?this reminds me of something my father said to me one day. i had an older brother who was a pos and he had no problems stealing from his own family. since i have 3 brothers, the pickings were ripe for him. so anyway, one day i went to my father crying about how my brother went into my room and stole money out of my drawer and he stole other misc things.
my father's response was "well, if you don't want him to steal from you , lock your door"..........
i was freaking 14 years old. from that day on, i knew my father was a simpleton and even though i love him, we have never seen eye to eye on much.
that sort of mentality is simple and just a cop out. so if a woman wears sexy clothes, it is ok for someone to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her? are we just going to say "well, if she was not wearing those clothes, she would have not gotten raped"?
there are stupid people who do stupid things and one may think that if they are that stupid, they deserve to be scammed and in certain situations, i might agree. like the time, i bought a 125 dollar bubble z hockey stick and i left it next to my car after playing hockey and drove away without it. thats stupid and i deserved that. i don't blame anyone if they snatched that up, thats a kick ass stick!!!
but lets say, i left my door unlocked with the stick inside, should it be my fault that some dirt bag opens the door to my car and snags it? now i think these days you have to lock your car doors and take other precautions but the perp should take the blame for being a sack of crap, not me for leaving my car unlocked.
at what point do we draw the line and place the blame on the person doing the scamming, grifting, stealing or whatever you want to call it?
there is a point wear the person with the immoral behavior has to be accountable for something right?
Luvulooongtime
08-24-07, 00:45
When I first visited the PI in 2001, I met my long lost uncle the Mayor. He was the mayor of a relatively small town of 70k in Rizal Province. The Mayor was a notorious playboy and had 4 "wives" and many girlfriends (he passed away recently). I asked him as a foriegner(I am a half filipino-american, in other words a meztiso) what was the best advice he could give me in my interactions with the locals and ladies.
His advice: 1. Trust no one, and 2. The girls want your money.
My uncle was a charming, smart, and able politician. I have heeded his advice and have had a great trouble free visits to the PI ever since. Perhaps some of you might think this advice is from an overly cynical and jaded politician. But remember gentlemen: forewarned is forearmed.
Luvuloongtime
FreebieFan
08-24-07, 10:38
About 9 months ago I was in HK and arranged to meet a Filipina there. She was innocently looking for a job. And it wasnt a bar job. She truly was quite a babe in the woods.
Well. We ended up back in my hotel after a Mcdo where a HJ was enjoyed. Over the weekend we ended up doing the deed a a few times. She started to profess love etcetc.
Saw her a few times in Manila too. Usually on a Sunday as I always had a hour spare before my flight. She didn't qualify for my Friday or Saturday afternoon sessions as she wasnt wild enough. And usually when I met her on a Sunday it would be after shes been to church. She'the even cross herself before blowing me saying she knew it was bad but she wanted to make me happy. Whatever.
Anyways always sending me sms with love messages.
Today practicality has taken over. Got a yahoo message saying
" I've found a man to marry me. Bye". So much for the love hahah.
Will remember her from the last time we went to Sogo together. She even bought a nightie when I said we were going to a hotel. Guess I didn't properly explain that Sogo is a hotel but not where people stay overnight.
Byebye lover number 156. Welcome number 157.
I agree 100% that people who do wrongdoing should be held accountable; I guess my point is that we as individuals also have a responsibility to be smart and accept the consequences of the risks we take everyday.
I have come to look at money I may give to Filipinos as a risky charity. It is charity as I know that once I give money away I will never see it again as I will never be repaid and it is a risk in the sense that I may be giving it for a good cause that truly helps out a person in need, or I could be financing a fun trip to the mall. In a way, it is like gambling, that is, when a person gambles they set aside an amount they can afford to lose. If that person loses it all then so be it but hopefully a person doubles their money and if they do then it’s a great day!
Another example of risk is taking a walk in New York’s Central Park at night by yourself, which would be stupid, and a person who does so will probably get robbed or worse. Are the robbers to blame, absolutely! Should they be found and punished and held accountable for their crimes? Without a doubt! Will they be found and brought to justice? Probably not. As infuriating as that may be it is reality.
It is also infuriating when a person blatantly takes advantage of my generosity and good heart as is the case of bargirl Cecille who crosses the line and fabricates a story of false pregnancy in the hopes of scamming some money. Did I "deserve" this kind of treatment? Well, in a certain respect yes. Let’s look at honestly, I went to a bar looking for a sexual encounter with a prostitute (I’m sitting at the casino table). I do so with the full knowledge that I am dealing with the lowest class of poor, uneducated and desperate women (I’m placing my bet). Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. I must say that I mostly win in these encounters, that is, most women I meet are a lot of fun, and we have great sex together and have no problems afterward. I have even made friends with and keep in touch with several that I’ve met.
In the case of internet dating, I think this is also a case of taking a risk just because you simply cannot know a person online as you would in person. It is just too easy for both parties to lie about anything. Yes there are a lot of scamming girls on these sites, but let’s be honest, there are also a lot of perverts and sleazy characters that prey on the women as well. I’ve heard so many stories from Filpinas (both bargirls and normal girls) where they meet a guy in a chat room or on one of these sites and one of the first things they ask for is for them to show their tits. If you were a nice girl you may get discouraged and give up, or you may learn how to play a game quickly and cash in these perverts. The sad part is there are some nice guys out there and there are nice girls as well but it’s tough for them to find each other.
I know that after 5 trips to the Phils I’ve learned a lot and come a long way, but I still consider myself a newbie that is still learning. I can say that it is easier for me to spot bargirls and scammers on these dating sites now just by looking at profiles. My advice to anyone sitting on the fence is to get on a plane and experience the Philippines first hand.
I guess the key I’ve found is to try and keep a good attitude, when we get scammed or taken advantage of what do you do? You could get angry or look for some kind of retribution, or you could look at it as a life lesson and move on. I personally have tried my best to learn from my experiences and keep a smile on my face, but I can also say that I am not nearly as generous as I was on my first few trips. It’s kinda sad in a way.
Cheers!
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I put a question and observation in the "Amateurs" forum. Perhaps someone over here can help me understand why a "pro" pinay could have a tighter pussy then non-pro girl friends I have known.
Is it only that regular use that makes her have a larger kooch? The bar-girl is tighter because she hasn't had much work recently?
These things are mysteries to me, but a source of no small disappointment with some gf I have had. As in, she is a great girl, but.
Hell, if I could get a job there, and make what I make in the states, I would move there for a few years.
I have never paid for it but I certainly have no problems with doing so.
If you read between the lines, that is one of the problems in the Philippines. There are lots of jobs, but if you work here, you get Filipino pay. I have 20 Filipino employees and they make 350P-500P a day. I asked my company why do we pay them so low and I was told, because that is the normal pay for manual labor. I have been working here for four months, brought over by an American company, so I am getting American pay. I will retire next June and I would love to stay here and live, but I would need an American job to support my lifestyle. I could stay here on my retirement and live a Filipino lifestyle, but I have grown use to my standard of living.
I had a friend who's wife was Filipino and they were married 20 years. he retired in May 2004 and moved to the Philippines and opened a local bar. Six months after he retired he had a heart attack and died. When I spoke to his wife, she told me that maybe he would of lived if they had been near a good hospital. It took them two hours to get him to a major hospital and he died when he arrived. If you choose to live here you give up rights (Police/Fire/Mail...ect) that you pay for (taxes) in another country.
Lastly, is there such a thing as free pussy? IMHO you pay for it one way or another...LOL
Stay Safe,
Robb
What does it mean when you ask a girl, "If we are married, how often do you want sex?" and she says:
She: "Maybe 4 times a week or twice at night"
Jambo: "Twice at night? Every night?"
She: "Don't know, maybe."
So does that mean, twice every other day, 16 sessions a month? I better get some stock in Levitra.
lol well at least I know she likes sex. I actually heard of a man married a pinay that did not like sex. Imagine that? Must have found the only one in the country. Bad luck.
Could some experienced mongers have a look at my most in the amateurs section and give me an opinion please.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=635310#post635310
I had a note below, but since I am still being moderated, it got buried.
Tungsten Chef
08-27-07, 04:21
What does it mean when you ask a girl, "If we are married, how often do you want sex?" and she says:
She: "Maybe 4 times a week or twice at night"
Jambo: "Twice at night? Every night?"
She: "Don't know, maybe."
So does that mean, twice every other day, 16 sessions a month? I better get some stock in Levitra.
lol well at least I know she likes sex. I actually heard of a man married a pinay that did not like sex. Imagine that? Must have found the only one in the country. Bad luck.
Could some experienced mongers have a look at my most in the amateurs section and give me an opinion please.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=635310#post635310
I had a note below, but since I am still being moderated, it got buried.My future wife told me we can only have sex once a day. To hell with that!! She said she noticed other girls who screwed up a storm, their bodies didn't look the same. Lost weight, maybe a smaller ass or whatever. I just laughed it off as another old Philapina's wive's tale. I then said what does it matter we're gonna be married. She agreed. I'm only there for 7 weeks and no way am I gonna be starving for sex.
First of all, I think you are leading her on with those kinds of questions. In Asia, things are often communicated ambiguously / indirectly. You may be thinking this is just a philosophical question, but in some asian cultures, that's a marriage proposal.
And then we have her answer... oh boy. Asians tend to tell you what you want to hear. We might think "lie", but they think "keep good relations/communication."
As for your questions about vagina size, I don't think there is any answer. I met a 4'11, 38kilo EDSA girl with two kids who was very, very tight. Then there is the hotel receptionist I've been doing who is all loosy goosy.
In your other post you mention your ex and frequency of sex. Are you sure it was her vagina that had changed or just your sensitivity?
For me, the first night in the Philippines, the lady always seems tight and responsive. The last night is usually a different story. I think after screwing myself silly for two weeks, I'm just not as sensitive.
X Man
What does it mean when you ask a girl, "If we are married, how often do you want sex?" and she says:
She: "Maybe 4 times a week or twice at night"
Jambo: "Twice at night? Every night?"
She: "Don't know, maybe."
So does that mean, twice every other day, 16 sessions a month? I better get some stock in Levitra.
lol well at least I know she likes sex. I actually heard of a man married a pinay that did not like sex. Imagine that? Must have found the only one in the country. Bad luck.
Could some experienced mongers have a look at my most in the amateurs section and give me an opinion please.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=635310#post635310
I had a note below, but since I am still being moderated, it got buried.
OMG, wouldn't you love to slap the btch?
"....leave immediately...."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBIU9dAlHGM&mode=related&search=
X
TrickyRick
10-01-07, 02:26
I am married to a filipina. At first things were going well so it seemed I lived in my parents basement my own kitchen bathroom. It was free so why not. Then I bought my own house for me and my wife. I put a downpayment payed for renos. She paid for the phone electric, heat after a bit of an argument and amounted to $300 tops a month. I paid the mortage, taxes, food. Then sold, bought another house I put in more of a downpayment and renovated. My wife put nothing down no help for renos but paid phone, electric, heat. Then my wife buys new jeepney for her brothers then later buys a property in Philippines then builds a brand new 3 bedroom 3 bathroom granite countertops stainless steel appliances etc etc for her parents none with my consent. I was pissed she helps her family I have a impossibletime getting her to help with any additional expenses with the house. So be aware your the husband but her family may come first not saying all are like this I have asked other filipinas and they send money but not that much.
... So be aware your the husband but her family may come first ... not saying all are like this ... I have asked other filipinas and they send money but not that much...
TR:
So very true! A simple rule in terms of importance is: first comes always her family in the Philippines (parents, brothers and sisters), then there is a huge gap and maybe later comes her own foreign husband. I am almost 100% certain that all of them are like that (seems to be their culture!)!
BTW, a wise mongerer in AC told me once: "if you wanna have hot sex, marry a Filipina; but if you are looking for true love, better go for a dog!" It's not bad, isn't it!? :)
Cheers - Hesekiels
GoodEnough
10-11-07, 04:53
The phrase "utang na loob" in Tagalog means (I think) an obligation from the heart, and its a central, if not the central premise of Philippine culture. It implies a debt that children have to their parents for the very fact of being born, and it's a debt that's never fully repaid. It's part of who they are and, though the sense of obligation is stronger in some than in others, it accounts for the reason that Filipinas will sacrifice almost everything else in their lives to support their parents and, to some extent, other members of their families. This sense of obligation trumps every other commitment in their lives in many cases and is not looked on as a choice but as something that they must do.
If you talk to young sex workers in this country you will find in many, if not most cases, that the lady is doing what she's doing in order to support her parents and often her younger siblings. She's not exchanging sex for money cause she wants to, but to discharge the enormous sense of obligation she feels to provide money for her parent's support, and often for the support of her own young child. And it's this sense of partial repayment of the debt that lets her overcome the sense of shame at what she's doing since the "rightness" of satisfying the obligation transcends the "wrongness" of working in the commercial sex trade.
The trick, when looking for a Filipina partner is to find one whose sense of utang na loob is not strong or is non-existent. I was lucky in that case, and my wife feels none of it, so it's never been an issue with us. In TrickyRick's case, at least his wife spent her own funds, presumably, for her parents. This is much better than some cases I know of where the wife was constantly after the husband to provide funds for the family back in the Philippines.
In most cases though it's better to recognize that this is part of the package when you establish a long-term relationship with a Filipina, and it's best to discuss the whole matter up front, before you commit yourself to something in the longer term. Many couples I know make an agreement up front about how much, if anything, they will send to her family and under what circumstances. In my case, I made it very clear that the answer was zero but, as I said, in my case, there was no argument since my wife doesn't much like her parents and felt exactly the same way.
GE
The trick, when looking for a Filipina partner is to find one whose sense of utang na loob is not strong or is non-existent. I was lucky in that case, and my wife feels none of it...
GE
Wow you are a lucky man, not very many filippina women like that!
... Many couples I know make an agreement up front about how much, if anything, they will send to her family and under what circumstances...
GE
Gud luck with that to any punter!
These prenup discussions soon get forgotten when father/brother/baby cousin comes down with a terminal illness/hits financial crisis etc etc.
Happy mongering
Amavida
GoodEnough
10-12-07, 05:18
Yes, I was lucky but my situation is not unique. The best way to test the strength of a Filipina's sense of obligation to her family is to live with her for quite a while prior to making any sort of legal commitment. If the family is going to view the foreigner as a walking, talking ATM, it won't take long before the requests start and the "emergencies" come to the fore. Once they do, it's easy enough to see how the lady responds. If you've chosen someone who is reasonably mature, it also ought to be easy to lay down the law from the beginning of the relationship. In my case, I just let it be known that I was not going to contribute for anything under any set of circumstances. I was never tested on this because, as I said, my wife's sense of utang na loob is so weak that it might as well not be there at all. Having said that, we've bought the (very) occasional sack of rice, but it's not on any sort of regular basis.
To give you an example, my wife's younger sister (27) recently gave birth to her 6th or 7th child and my wife got an emergency call asking for money to pay the hospital bill. Her response? "No one told you to get pregnant every year and to have babies you cannot afford to raise. You're on your own." I did not prompt this response.
It's quite possible to find women who do not feel this stultifying sense of duty and obligation. All it takes is a little looking and some well-focused questioning before any commitments are made.
GE
Luvulooongtime
10-12-07, 15:53
Gentlemen,
I am half pinoy, but born in California and completely culturally american. During my visits I have learned of the preeminance of family obligations. I do get annoyed by the requests for cash. But there is a positive side to it. My long lost family in the PI will do anything for me. I find it refreshing compared to the western values of individuality above all else. I do not wish to live in the PI with the all encompassing family obligations, but there is value to it.
Luvuloongtime
FreebieFan
11-07-07, 10:27
Having been married to one for a length of time I can add to the discussion. My wifes family have almost never ever asked. Weve seen many colleagues who are hit from the dying caribou to braces for the neighbours kids etc. But my family (in laws) almost never.
Once there was a car crash and money was urgently needed (hospitals don't do anything in Manila without advanced or secured payment.). So on this ocassion I came to the rescue. And over the next 6 months it was repaid by the family. Small notes at a time.
Another time there was an unexpected baby (if there is such a thing) and we contributed extra for a cot etc. And beyond that thats all thats happened. Probably even less than a western family might ask maybe.
I certainly got lucky. But agani its all down to selection and knowing the rules in advance.
Wow you are a lucky man, not very many filippina women like that!
Gud luck with that to any punter!
These prenup discussions soon get forgotten when father/brother/baby cousin comes down with a terminal illness/hits financial crisis etc etc.
Happy mongering,
AmavidaI disagree and agree with the other few comments below. If a relationship is becoming serious it has to be made known that nothing is going to be given unless you want to. To the extent that the future wife has to realise that choosing a westerner means that his rules go. Never had a problem although I've kicked out a few who tried
Kavorka341
11-08-07, 14:24
I've recently returned from my first trip to the phils, and have been slack in not posting a report. Reading through this thread tonight and reading some of the similarities of what happenend to me has lead me to finally post.
I've mongered throughout SE Asia for around 7 years, and I've paid for it and I've got it for free, and I've been scammed and I've learnt from it, and I feel now I have a very good understanding of what is happening in MOST situations.
This was my first trip to phils so I thought I would try the online option to meet some girls before I got there. I joined FH and received a stack of replies. I spent about a month online, chatting with alot of girls, weeding out the cam girls, and the scammers. I got my list and all my grand plans of meeting them when i got there.
Anyways, I arrived and got to my hotel and jumped online. As soon as I did I got chatting with a new girl I hadn't seen before. She seemed cool, 26yo, seemed educated, so I got her number and called her. She also gave me her work number and said I could call her their as it was cheaper. She spoke well and we decided to meet up the next night.
So the night arrives and she tells me she will meet me at my hotel. She arrives in a cab to pick me up and we head out. When we arrive at the bar she pays the taxi fare, then pays the cover charge into the bar. Then at the end of the night she demands she pays the bar bill. We then take a taxi back to the hotel and she pays for that aswell.
So far I'm thinking this is fantastic. It hasn't cost me a cent, and we clicked really well, and she has come back to my hotel. perfect.
So we do the deed, and she stays for a while the next day and then leaves. I then had to head down south for business for a week and thats when i get the call from her saying she is pregnant (which was very possible). I tell her to go and get a test from the chemist. She gets back to me and tells me it's positive. I then tell her to go to the doctor and get a test. She gets back to me and tells me it's positive. I tell her I'll see her when I get back to Manila.
So I get back and we organise another night out. In the cab she shows me the positive test kit and a report from the doctor. I think ok, but I have a feeling it's a scam as the doctors report doesn't have a date on it. Anyway we still go out and have a great time. In my drunken state during the night I tell her that if she wants anything from me she must first, let me see her take the test, second, let me come to the doctors with her, and third, if they are positive then we have to test that it is infact mine. Anyway the same thing happens and she pays for everything again that night.
A few days later she tells me she has taken some medicine to stop the birth. Then after I leave the phils and get home she tells me she has been to a doctor and had it all taken care of.
At no stage did she ever ask for any money. Infact quite the opposite.
I know she has a good job. I know where she works, and have called her there and checked out the company is real.
She calls me now, and said she is willing to pay her own airfare to come and see me.
I thought this was all fantastic until I read all the posts here regarding the pregnancy scam. It was all so similar.
So whats happening here?
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Captain America
11-13-07, 19:02
so you got one hot little filipina to fall madly in love with you. Now you have to decide if you want to keep her or not, because she seems ver intent on keeping YOU! No red flags that I can see.....
Fastpiston
11-18-07, 16:27
I've recently returned from my first trip to the phils, and have been slack in not posting a report. Reading through this thread tonight and reading some of the similarities of what happenend to me has lead me to finally post.
I've mongered throughout SE Asia for around 7 years, and I've paid for it and I've got it for free, and I've been scammed and I've learnt from it, and I feel now I have a very good understanding of what is happening in MOST situations.
This was my first trip to phils so I thought I would try the online option to meet some girls before I got there. I joined FH and received a stack of replies. I spent about a month online, chatting with alot of girls, weeding out the cam girls, and the scammers. I got my list and all my grand plans of meeting them when i got there.
Anyways, I arrived and got to my hotel and jumped online. As soon as I did I got chatting with a new girl I hadn't seen before. She seemed cool, 26yo, seemed educated, so I got her number and called her. She also gave me her work number and said I could call her their as it was cheaper. She spoke well and we decided to meet up the next night.
So the night arrives and she tells me she will meet me at my hotel. She arrives in a cab to pick me up and we head out. When we arrive at the bar she pays the taxi fare, then pays the cover charge into the bar. Then at the end of the night she demands she pays the bar bill. We then take a taxi back to the hotel and she pays for that aswell.
So far I'm thinking this is fantastic. It hasn't cost me a cent, and we clicked really well, and she has come back to my hotel. perfect.
So we do the deed, and she stays for a while the next day and then leaves. I then had to head down south for business for a week and thats when i get the call from her saying she is pregnant (which was very possible). I tell her to go and get a test from the chemist. She gets back to me and tells me it's positive. I then tell her to go to the doctor and get a test. She gets back to me and tells me it's positive. I tell her I'll see her when I get back to Manila.
So I get back and we organise another night out. In the cab she shows me the positive test kit and a report from the doctor. I think ok, but I have a feeling it's a scam as the doctors report doesn't have a date on it. Anyway we still go out and have a great time. In my drunken state during the night I tell her that if she wants anything from me she must first, let me see her take the test, second, let me come to the doctors with her, and third, if they are positive then we have to test that it is infact mine. Anyway the same thing happens and she pays for everything again that night.
A few days later she tells me she has taken some medicine to stop the birth. Then after I leave the phils and get home she tells me she has been to a doctor and had it all taken care of.
At no stage did she ever ask for any money. Infact quite the opposite.
I know she has a good job. I know where she works, and have called her there and checked out the company is real.
She calls me now, and said she is willing to pay her own airfare to come and see me.
I thought this was all fantastic until I read all the posts here regarding the pregnancy scam. It was all so similar.
So whats happening here?
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
You need to find out her source of money and background. I would be highly suspicious. If she is from a rich family, then you should be safe.
She calls me now, and said she is willing to pay her own airfare to come and see me.
I thought this was all fantastic until I read all the posts here regarding the pregnancy scam. It was all so similar.
So whats happening here?
Looks like she badly wants to go the US and is willing to invest a little in her plan. When you didn't fall for the preggy thing (and didn't offer to "do the right thing" blah blah..) she's simply moving on to plan B.
Of course it could be pure filipina love too :D
Kavorka341
11-21-07, 13:52
CA, Fastpiston and Pute Nut, thanks for the comments.
I am back in phils tomorrow for a few weeks business so will be sussing her out some more.
Khun Larry
11-21-07, 20:52
I am back in phils tomorrow for a few weeks business so will be sussing her out some more.
Everything sounds good ... just move on when you get tired of her taking you out, booming and paying
FreebieFan
11-22-07, 04:00
From the way the story reads I don't think theres any issues.
Theres no legal implication that it was yours and maybe now she just wants a ticket out of there.
I've lived in Manila for 5 years. Mongered in there for 20. And married one.
Your story reads like you got lucky with a gal who is well off. It happens.
Easy for you to check the money side. Check the family name. Remember in the Phils, thats 90 % of the wealth is owned by 10% of the country. And of that 10% theres about 50 families and their extended branches who control that.
Id relax. And determine if you want her in the US. The other thing is to determine if she can get the visa. Remember 92% of all visa applications get rejected at the Embassy. If she can get a visa its because shes got money. AND connections.
Hobby Knob
11-22-07, 17:27
I know its not a current topic, but I was thinking about this today... I'm married to a pinay and have dated some chat girls on the side during visits. And here is one thing I noticed that I find ironic.
Look around their house and you'll find the couch, the TV remotes the iPod all wrapped in plastic to protect them. But.... Take them to bed and they do not want to wrap yours up in plastic...
The asawa "hates the feeling" The cam girls say the same thing, but I think they want to get knocked up (or be able to say they are) to scam you.
Just thought this was funny
FireWalker
11-26-07, 20:10
I know its not a current topic, but I was thinking about this today... I'm married to a pinay and have dated some chat girls on the side during visits. And here is one thing I noticed that I find ironic.
Look around their house and you'll find the couch, the TV remotes the iPod all wrapped in plastic to protect them. But.... Take them to bed and they do not want to wrap yours up in plastic...
The asawa "hates the feeling" The cam girls say the same thing, but I think they want to get knocked up (or be able to say they are) to scam you.
Just thought this was funny
Part is also mental. Using a condom is associated with prostitution.
Lawn Gnome
12-16-07, 02:43
I then had to head down south for business for a week and thats when i get the call from her saying she is pregnant Positive pregnancy test after one week? I don't think so.
A few days later she tells me she has taken some medicine to stop the birth. Then after I leave the phils and get home she tells me she has been to a doctor and had it all taken care of.They don't have RU486 or abortionists in the Phils. What happened is that you successfully called her bluff.
TrickyRick
12-28-07, 00:35
Bashing the Filipina ladies is just plane wrong. Here is why. So what if they want some happiness, don't everyone? I married one, yea and she was a bar girl and we had a good time for four days and she ask me to marry her and I did. That was thirty two years ago. Well long story short she is gone now. But she was the most wonderful person I could have ever spent my life with. She was strong willed to survive. We had three babies, the oldest is a Hydro Dam operater, the second teaches college and the third is in his first year of college. When we married we had $6. 00 to our name, yes it was a hard life we shared together, we roofed houses, we did every honest job we could find, we survived, she stuck by me through my bi-poplar and all my stupid decisions. My sweet pe-pie passed this time last year with cancer and fought it to the end so please I beg you lay off those girls or just walk right on by your not good enough for them. This is not my experience but someone else thought it would be good to post.
Samar 2009
12-31-07, 02:37
Bashing the Filipina ladies is just plane wrong. Here is why. So what if they want some happiness, don't everyone? I married one, yea and she was a bar girl and we had a good time for four days and she ask me to marry her and I did. That was thirty two years ago. Well long story short she is gone now. But she was the most wonderful person I could have ever spent my life with. She was strong willed to survive. We had three babies, the oldest is a Hydro Dam operater, the second teaches college and the third is in his first year of college. When we married we had $6. 00 to our name, yes it was a hard life we shared together, we roofed houses, we did every honest job we could find, we survived, she stuck by me through my bi-poplar and all my stupid decisions. My sweet pe-pie passed this time last year with cancer and fought it to the end so please I beg you lay off those girls or just walk right on by your not good enough for them. This is not my experience but someone else thought it would be good to post.Good report TR.
The main thing is that you have found happiness with your lady regardless if she was a bar girl previously. I know a few so called "LADIES" mainly European with a very nice and comfortable upbringing, got married to nice and proffesional men which looked after them to the extreme, bought their wives new cars, they never let them work also, because the men were earning good money, and guess what? the so called "LADIES" as soon as they reached about 40-45 years of age, I believe they got bored with their better half and they wanted to divorce them (most likely they found toyboys). IMHO I believe they were playing the field for quite a while behind their husbands back. The reason for the divorce was that THEY WERE NOT COMPATIBLE. It took them about 25 years to find that out. IMHO they had too much free time on their hands and that equallity crap as well. My point is a BAR GIRL got transformed into a LADY and the so called LADIES got transformed into PROS, especially now that the husbands assets have grown conciderably and they will get half the assets.
I wish you good luck and keep your chin up.
Acemanmax
Bashing the Filipina ladies is just plane wrong. Here is why. So what if they want some happiness, don't everyone? I married one, yea and she was a bar girl and we had a good time for four days and she ask me to marry her and I did. That was thirty two years ago. Well long story short she is gone now. But she was the most wonderful person I could have ever spent my life with. She was strong willed to survive. We had three babies, the oldest is a Hydro Dam operater, the second teaches college and the third is in his first year of college. When we married we had $6. 00 to our name, yes it was a hard life we shared together, we roofed houses, we did every honest job we could find, we survived, she stuck by me through my bi-poplar and all my stupid decisions. My sweet pe-pie passed this time last year with cancer and fought it to the end so please I beg you lay off those girls or just walk right on by your not good enough for them. This is not my experience but someone else thought it would be good to post.You Sir, have my deepest sympathy to the loss of your wife and my respect of your life!
Mr Durex
Starchild2012
01-02-08, 20:47
Bashing the Filipina ladies is just plane wrong. Here is why. So what if they want some happiness, don't everyone? I married one, yea and she was a bar girl and we had a good time for four days and she ask me to marry her and I did. That was thirty two years ago. Well long story short she is gone now. But she was the most wonderful person I could have ever spent my life with. She was strong willed to survive. We had three babies, the oldest is a Hydro Dam operater, the second teaches college and the third is in his first year of college. When we married we had $6. 00 to our name, yes it was a hard life we shared together, we roofed houses, we did every honest job we could find, we survived, she stuck by me through my bi-poplar and all my stupid decisions. My sweet pe-pie passed this time last year with cancer and fought it to the end so please I beg you lay off those girls or just walk right on by your not good enough for them. This is not my experience but someone else thought it would be good to post.
Wonderful...She was his soulmate...LOVE is NEVER LOST...It is ETERNAL..TRUE love is infact the shadow of the alimighty......they would be together in next life for sure....The universe will adjust this world to bring them together..
It sounds un-scientific..but only if all of humanity could find SOUL MATE....we all are trying to find one..these frustation, debate will go on till we find our true love and when we do..its all Bliss and Peace
Makeupaname
01-03-08, 08:50
Would a Filipino family go along with saying a girl is single even if she is not? My girlfriend is visiting family in the PI over the holidays. I've talked on the phone with her mom, dad, sister & brother. She has video web chatted to her mom, dad & lola with me present. But I have also seen a text message on her phone calling her asawa.
Some of the most genuine ladies I've ever met were girls I've bar fined.
That actually makes a really good quote - in addition to it being the pearl of wisdom that is surely is...
Tony Hoeprano
01-20-08, 08:51
For sh*ts and giggles, I started talking to a gal in Manila I met on DAI, studying to take a nursing exam to be able to work in the US. She is 23, gorgeous, yet a bit immature sometime. We've had long chats on the YM and webcam and is the real deal as far as her looks go. She has sent some provactive pics with her in panties and t-shirt. Granted I'm a decent looking, younger guy who loves filipinas (actually I just caught yellow fever), but still who knows of her true intentions, yet everything she says checks out
Now, whenever I go to DAI website, she will check if I'm there and will be quite jealous. She professes strong feelings, and I've even seen her reveal those feelings on the webcam after she asked if I would stop talking to her if I met someone else in the US. She's never asked for money and seems to be sweet and submissive (when she speaks English), emails constantly, and even puts my pics on her friendster page.
I like this gal, but take it with a grain of salt, who knows what can happen, she might meet someone else, she might have bad breath, and so on. I plan on taking a trip in March, and would like to know if I should implement a plan B in case things go south with this gal?
Yes you should if possible have plans B, C and D. None of your targets will be really surprised if an internet contact does not actually show up. Further, consider whether you can live with a girl so jealous and possessive. Perhaps you can use your alternates to inoculate her.
For sh*ts and giggles, I started talking to a gal in Manila I met on DAI, studying to take a nursing exam to be able to work in the US. She is 23, gorgeous, yet a bit immature sometime. We've had long chats on the YM and webcam and is the real deal as far as her looks go. She has sent some provactive pics with her in panties and t-shirt. Granted I'm a decent looking, younger guy who loves filipinas (actually I just caught yellow fever), but still who knows of her true intentions, yet everything she says checks out
Now, whenever I go to DAI website, she will check if I'm there and will be quite jealous. She professes strong feelings, and I've even seen her reveal those feelings on the webcam after she asked if I would stop talking to her if I met someone else in the US. She's never asked for money and seems to be sweet and submissive (when she speaks English), emails constantly, and even puts my pics on her friendster page.
I like this gal, but take it with a grain of salt, who knows what can happen, she might meet someone else, she might have bad breath, and so on. I plan on taking a trip in March, and would like to know if I should implement a plan B in case things go south with this gal?
Yes, plan b would be very wise. Sorry for prying, but what is plan A?
For sh*ts and giggles, I started talking to a gal in Manila I met on DAI, studying to take a nursing exam to be able to work in the US. She is 23, gorgeous, yet a bit immature sometime. We've had long chats on the YM and webcam and is the real deal as far as her looks go. She has sent some provactive pics with her in panties and t-shirt. Granted I'm a decent looking, younger guy who loves filipinas (actually I just caught yellow fever), but still who knows of her true intentions, yet everything she says checks out
Now, whenever I go to DAI website, she will check if I'm there and will be quite jealous. She professes strong feelings, and I've even seen her reveal those feelings on the webcam after she asked if I would stop talking to her if I met someone else in the US. She's never asked for money and seems to be sweet and submissive (when she speaks English), emails constantly, and even puts my pics on her friendster page.
I like this gal, but take it with a grain of salt, who knows what can happen, she might meet someone else, she might have bad breath, and so on. I plan on taking a trip in March, and would like to know if I should implement a plan B in case things go south with this gal?
Wicked Roger
01-23-08, 16:26
For sh*ts and giggles, I started talking to a gal in Manila I met on DAI, studying to take a nursing exam to be able to work in the US. She is 23, gorgeous, yet a bit immature sometime. We've had long chats on the YM and webcam and is the real deal as far as her looks go. She has sent some provactive pics with her in panties and t-shirt. Granted I'm a decent looking, younger guy who loves filipinas (actually I just caught yellow fever), but still who knows of her true intentions, yet everything she says checks out
Now, whenever I go to DAI website, she will check if I'm there and will be quite jealous. She professes strong feelings, and I've even seen her reveal those feelings on the webcam after she asked if I would stop talking to her if I met someone else in the US. She's never asked for money and seems to be sweet and submissive (when she speaks English), emails constantly, and even puts my pics on her friendster page.
I like this gal, but take it with a grain of salt, who knows what can happen, she might meet someone else, she might have bad breath, and so on. I plan on taking a trip in March, and would like to know if I should implement a plan B in case things go south with this gal?
I always have many plans - never sure if A, B C D etc just many - as you may find things change daily of not hourly. Should be Manila very soon and have a number of options lined up in case person 1 or 2,3.... decides not to show up.
Tony Hoeprano
01-24-08, 01:08
Yes, plan b would be very wise. Sorry for prying, but what is plan A?Not a problem. As it turns out, I might as well not even tell you plan A because it will most likely not come to fruition LOL.
Last week she said she was going to Sigalug (spell? ) festival in Cebu with her friends and that she would be gone about 5-6 days. I get an email from her on the 6th day and she says her best friend convinced her to come back home (in Davao) and basically it was a nice to know ya, I miss ya, I don't get internet in the house so it will be impossibe to chat with you anymore. At least she did email me, rather than leave me hanging I suppose, but either way it's the same result, more or less.
I presume she chatted me up to assuage her ego, she was pretty bored and lonely in Manila, being that she was always on her laptop and knew nobody there.
Okay here is a question I would like answered by someone experienced with Filipinas. This is a topic best avoided with ANY woman, because there is no correct answer, any response will be the wrong answer. I have learned this the hard way before and am not about to be burned again, hence the need for advice. I have been chatting with a real sweetheart online for a month or two and she just asked me how many girls I have had sex with in my life. My reaction was immediately "NO WAYYYY" and I basically told her that I was not prepared to answer that question based on the fact that I didnt feel comfortable sharing that info with her at this point in our relationship. Nor did I wish to be judged by someone such as her, who has little to no life experience.
Anyways, predictably, it got ugly really quicky, as you all know how totally prone to misunderstanding and irrational Filipinas can be, despite the mutual understanding of a common language. We had a massive argument about it and now she says I dont care about her because I am keeping secrets from her and I dont trust her bla bla bla etc. I have told her it is not a secret, it is just something I will maybe tell her later when I am ready, but she is having none of that. This is not going to go away despite my best efforts.
Now everything is relative of course, to a virgin (which she is), even a small number of previous partners will seem like an awful lot to her. For example, if I say 20 then I am worried that even that number will seem horrifying to her (living in SEA the real number is obviously a lot more than that, especially if you include P4P ;)). So I will have no choice but to lie. No two ways about that, but what is good figure to make up which will appease her? Also, what is a good reason to avoid telling her which she will accept? So far she just refuses to accept all the very reasonable ones I have given her. So I will HAVE to tell her something, but what? I need to give her a number, but it has to be a number that will not scare her off. She is a real gem and someone I will regret ditching or being ditched by, therefore I dont want to lose her over this. All advice and opinions appreciated! (PM if you prefer)
Sounds fishy to me. You can get Internet in Davao at Net cafe for 10 pesos per hour. I think her "best friend" has a penis.
On the other hand maybe you had regularly scheduled chats and she simply was telling you that she could no longer do that.
Davao is a nice place to visit, BTW.
Can you send me one of these pictures you were telling us about?
X
Not a problem. As it turns out, I might as well not even tell you plan A because it will most likely not come to fruition LOL.
Last week she said she was going to Sigalug (spell? ) festival in Cebu with her friends and that she would be gone about 5-6 days. I get an email from her on the 6th day and she says her best friend convinced her to come back home (in Davao) and basically it was a nice to know ya, I miss ya, I don't get internet in the house so it will be impossibe to chat with you anymore. At least she did email me, rather than leave me hanging I suppose, but either way it's the same result, more or less.
I presume she chatted me up to assuage her ego, she was pretty bored and lonely in Manila, being that she was always on her laptop and knew nobody there.
Soapy Smith
01-25-08, 11:33
I have been chatting with a real sweetheart online for a month or two and she just asked me how many girls I have had sex with in my life.
She is a real gem and someone I will regret ditching or being ditched by, therefore I dont want to lose her over this. All advice and opinions appreciated! (PM if you prefer)I think it was a mistake to tell her you were "not prepared to discuss it" at this early point in the relationship. At this point I don't think any number will work. Even two is probably one too many, assuming she really is a virgin, and besides, she's already angry. Don't rule out the possibility she's not really a virgin, and she's testing you to find out how shocked you might be to know the truth about her.
I think I might have told her something like this:
"I have had sex with a very few women, and each experience was very special and very private. Imagine for a moment that you and I had sex some day. It would be special, and it would be private, and it would be nobody else's business. To talk to other women about it would be violating your privacy and would be disrespectful of how special it was between us. So for the same reason I would never tell other people about something like that between you and me, I cannot disrespect any previous partner I've been with by telling you about it. I'm sorry you think I'm keeping secrets, and, to tell the truth, it is secret. It's not me I need to protect, it's them. It would be a secret if anything sexual ever happened between us, and for exactly the same reason I would refuse to disrespect you by telling other people about us. I want you to know that this is the kind of person I am. I do not kiss and tell, and I do not violate the privacy of people I care about."
A pack of lies? Totally. But I'm thinking your only hope now is to use this ploy to redirect the conversation. Maybe you can still weasel out of this by making her feel that you will treat her very, very special.
ps. As many mongers have said in many different ways: virgins aren't worth the hassle. You need to be really honest with yourself about whether this one is.
Bilbo Baggins
01-25-08, 11:45
LA Guy, she sounds manipulative your reaction was right the real question she should be asking is how faithful are you going to be with her if you are going to be together what you did before you met her is not her business. To get into an argument over your past experiences before you even met the girl is worriesome and a bad indication. She has to respect your wishes just AS YOU WOULD RESPECT HERS.
She lives in the Philipines where men are always after sex (Is that comment redundant?) She cannot live in that country and expect a man to be virginous. The women I talk with seem more interested in whether I am a wife beater and non provider.
Anyway I dont know what I am talking about except the manipulation bit.
Now everything is relative of course, to a virgin (which she is), even a small number of previous partners will seem like an awful lot to her. For example, if I say 20 then I am worried that even that number will seem horrifying to her (living in SEA the real number is obviously a lot more than that, especially if you include P4P ;)). So I will have no choice but to lie. No two ways about that, but what is good figure to make up which will appease her? Also, what is a good reason to avoid telling her which she will accept?
I have been asked this questions many times ! I have never given an answer!
Its that simple , as i would not be able to know how many never kept a total I did for 5 weeks in cebu 17 girls but hey i am 51 now, did the russian thing before they stopped me going etc.
Just use your words wisely, make them feel special to you and your future. then you don't have to answer!
I always start by saying that i never counted as each time was for love, that you where in love with the girl. If you had i kept a count that would mean you where only after sex ! but this is not who you are! then go on saying that its a good thin as you have learn't how to treat a lady with respect and to make her feel on a cloud etc!
So that when we do make love for the first time she will be so thankful for my expereince as it will be so lovly and gentle, and that she will never ever think about another man as , she will have found her true soul mate in mind , body and dreams!
This is total bull shit but its what they want to hear ok. they know already you had lots, but they need to justify it themselves in their mind. Thats all shes looking for a way to accept your past.
Learn to write to them with this in mind, tell them what you think they want to hear, its a way of saving face for them. This is very important to Filipino's always must save face, no this always give them a chance to save face and you will enjoy your time there so much more even if with a taxi driver etc. use this tactic to give then a way out with saving their face okay mate,
good luck
Great posts already by Porty and Bilbo, so I don't have much to add.
To expand on Porty's idea, you have to accept that the logic is different. In her culture, saving face is logical. Fibs and bullshit and temper tantrums .... to save face is perfectly logical in that culture.
Does that make any sense at all? You have to avoid the temptation to apply your logic to their logic.
I suppost my answer to her question would have been either "Hundreds, too many to count", or , "I'm a virgin...I've been waiting for you." Laugh, then change the subject.
Nevertheless, friction at this point is problematic. Maybe ignore her for a while and see if she changes her tune. If you let her take charge, you might as well mail her your bank card and your testicles.
On the subject of unexplained anger, I recently got an ugly email from a (former) chat friend. I flew into Cebu and also visited Davao during the holidays. She works in MNL and visited her hometown in CDO for the holidays. I wanted to meet her, but things didn't work out for a variety of reasons -- one of which was she replied to my text with, "who are you?" (Yes, I had typed in my name.) I never promised anything beforehand. Anyway, I sent a message saying I was disappointed that I didn't get to meet her.
Wow, I was "trying to trick girls" and I'm a "bastard" and "don't every bother me again."
Too bad, she was hot. Remind me to post her G rated picture.
X
Tony Hoeprano
01-27-08, 02:58
Ok, she can use her cellphone for sms yahoo (I live in the US) and she now says she is coming back to Manila next Friday.
BTW, she doesn't use the internet cafe, she has her own studio, laptop, and internet connection in Manila. She mentioned a city in Metro Manila, but I forget the name of it. I talked to a filipina friend of mine here in the States and she said some of what she says is kinda iffy, but not impossible. To be fair, there's a lot of stuff that checks out (saw her friendster page before I knew she had one), so it's hard to say she's lying.
Xman, I'll get those pics out to ya, give me 24 hours though LOL.
Love is blind....and Internet love is deaf dumb and blind. (sorry if that isn't PC).
You sound obsessed Tony. We all get there from time to time, I'm not being judgmental. If this lady is sometimes flirting and sometimes aloof, it's understandable. You only know her online. There have probably been guys who've come and gone already -- especially if she has her own "studio".
Studio?
My advice is find a few other ladies (see posts on the CHAT thread), keep chatting with this lady but cool it down a bit, and somehow find a way to meet here face to face. My advice is not to send any money, nor make any promises.
X
Ok, she can use her cellphone for sms yahoo (I live in the US) and she now says she is coming back to Manila next Friday.
BTW, she doesn't use the internet cafe, she has her own studio, laptop, and internet connection in Manila. She mentioned a city in Metro Manila, but I forget the name of it. I talked to a filipina friend of mine here in the States and she said some of what she says is kinda iffy, but not impossible. To be fair, there's a lot of stuff that checks out (saw her friendster page before I knew she had one), so it's hard to say she's lying.
Xman, I'll get those pics out to ya, give me 24 hours though LOL.
Nevertheless, friction at this point is problematic. Maybe ignore her for a while and see if she changes her tune. If you let her take charge, you might as well mail her your bank card and your testicles.
Thanks to Bilbo, Porty, Skip Kost (you guys certainly have a gift for coming up with that romantic BS, I bow to you masters :)). Also thanks X Man for your input into my little dilemma. I highlight your quote above purely because you are spot on with that, and I agree 100%. I knew from the beginning that if I backed down then it would be all over. I let her stew for a while but things have started to pick up again. She really seems to be great girl so far, and I would have been disappointed if I had been forced to ditch her. She seems to like me so I will go with the flow and see where it all ends up. Things can only go so far with online chat though, so I have to try and sustain things until I get over there and meet up with her. Then I will know for sure if she is worth the effort or not. But so far no clues as to alterior motives, and no requests for financial aid in 2 months of chatting. Watch this space!
Hunny Buns
02-04-08, 18:23
Translate SEX with MAKE LOVE, and just tell her the number of people you truly loved and made loved with. This way, all details about the relationship will also touch her heart :)
Thanks to Bilbo, Porty, Skip Kost (you guys certainly have a gift for coming up with that romantic BS, I bow to you masters :)). Also thanks X Man for your input into my little dilemma. I highlight your quote above purely because you are spot on with that, and I agree 100%. I knew from the beginning that if I backed down then it would be all over. I let her stew for a while but things have started to pick up again. She really seems to be great girl so far, and I would have been disappointed if I had been forced to ditch her. She seems to like me so I will go with the flow and see where it all ends up. Things can only go so far with online chat though, so I have to try and sustain things until I get over there and meet up with her. Then I will know for sure if she is worth the effort or not. But so far no clues as to alterior motives, and no requests for financial aid in 2 months of chatting. Watch this space!
Wow, if this works for you, good on you man. Seems like your doing the etymology...but that's okay.
I avoid the love word. The word "like" works almost as well. Mix things up a bit and while you're thrusting away, throw in a "I love fucking you." It's best to do this at climax, because it gets them thinking about what you really mean.
And you do know what i mean, don't you?
Translate SEX with MAKE LOVE, and just tell her the number of people you truly loved and made loved with. This way, all details about the relationship will also touch her heart :)
Dan Hawaii
02-05-08, 17:16
But so far no clues as to alterior motives, and no requests for financial aid in 2 months of chatting.
Greencard
sponsor her family out of PI and into USA
Money
sob stories about her family's misfortunes
financially support her family every month
send back money to her family secretly, then tell you she does not make that much at her usa job, so you end up buying everything and paying for al the bills.
half your assets
power over you
support her family
bound you with a child
child support
place your balls in a vice
play you like a puppet
make your life a living hell
support her boyfriend and his family
make you pay for yearly trips back to PI to visit family and boyfriend
buy all kind of shit from usa to bring back to PI
She's got you hooked, she's just trying to reel you in. If she asks for money this early on in the relationship, she's going to lose you. Don't worry, it will come.
Rule #1: Never fall in love with a girl from another country, unless they are richer than you. The odds of you finding a true loving girl, without alternative motives, are highly against you.
Naked Gunz
02-06-08, 02:59
Rule #1: Never fall in love with a girl from another country, unless they are richer than you. The odds of you finding a true loving girl, without alternative motives, are highly against you.
From my pillow talk with the hundreds (well, ok dozens)of Pinays I have banged, the common theme is that FAMILY IS EVERYTHING and your the outsider.
Pinay Lover 2
02-06-08, 06:24
From my pillow talk with the hundreds (well, ok dozens)of Pinays I have banged, the common theme is that FAMILY IS EVERYTHING and your the outsider.That isn't true with all Filipinas and this type of blanket statement doesn't fit every girl.
I am married to a Filipina now for 5 years and for us it is the exact opposite.Since the beginning of our marriage I have always come before her family. As of now, she doesn't want to have anything to do with her family at all. In fact she said she really doesn't care to ever see them again. It's a long story but after helping them to get on their feet they got too greedy. This pissed off my wife and she cut them off.
It is true that the family is important to a Filipina, and many use it as an excuse to fleece a guy, but also remember there are many that will make sure that their husband is first. Then if there is anything left it goes to her family.
Mike
Pinay Lover 2
02-06-08, 06:46
Greencard
sponsor her family out of PI and into USA
Money
sob stories about her family's misfortunes
financially support her family every month
send back money to her family secretly, then tell you she does not make that much at her usa job, so you end up buying everything and paying for al the bills.
half your assets
power over you
support her family
bound you with a child
child support
place your balls in a vice
play you like a puppet
make your life a living hell
support her boyfriend and his family
make you pay for yearly trips back to PI to visit family and boyfriend
buy all kind of shit from usa to bring back to PI
She's got you hooked, she's just trying to reel you in. If she asks for money this early on in the relationship, she's going to lose you. Don't worry, it will come.
Rule #1: Never fall in love with a girl from another country, unless they are richer than you. The odds of you finding a true loving girl, without alternative motives, are highly against you. Wow, most of those items in your list sounds like you're describing an American woman.
Anyway, I am married to a Filipina and never encountered any of the items you have listed on your list, at least from a Filipina. But from my experience, and my wife backs me up on this from her experience and knowledge, your list mainly fits the girl that works in the sex trade.
It use to be that if you got a girl from the province you were pretty safe and wouldn't run into a scammer. My wife is from Leyte. But now many of these girls (from the province) are learning from girls that come back from; AC, Manila, Makati, and even Cebu, on how to scam a guy. Well all good things eventually come to an end. It doesn't mean that there aren't any good girls left, it mean it will take more time to find the right one.
As for your Rule #1, I would say never fall in love with a western woman. Been there and done that, and it cost me a lot.
Mike
Dan Hawaii
02-06-08, 10:27
From my pillow talk with the hundreds (well, ok dozens)of Pinays I have banged, the common theme is that FAMILY IS EVERYTHING and your the outsider.
Exactly, her family is number one and you follow as number 2 or 3, hopefully not over 5. Hahaha.
Don't get me wrong, falling in love is a great feeling, especially with someone special. But a good word of advice,.... keep them in the country that you found them in. It just gets complicated when you take them back to the USA. I may be wrong and may get flamed, but that's a rule of thumb I, myself, sometimes find hard to do. I hear of success stories, but most of them are of guys who are native to the same country as the girl. And are not more than 2nd generation US.
Culture shock and indifferences, home sickness, and lack of communication are big barriers that most couples can not overcome, then frustration kicks in, and marriages fail.
Naked Gunz
02-07-08, 03:34
It use to be that if you got a girl from the province you were pretty safe and wouldn't run into a scammer. My wife is from Leyte. But now many of these girls (from the province) are learning from girls that come back from; AC, Manila, Makati, and even Cebu, on how to scam a guy.
Mike
Ok, I have to agree..I'm only there about a week at a time and that time is with *****s. If I had a about a year to observe the women there I would have much more of an informed decision.
I had a cab driver bring me what I thought would be a ho, and she turned out to be a province girl just two weeks in the city..very shy, no english and quite attractive. I passed cause her aunt chapperoned (sp?), and she was just too innocent. I could tell she could be molded into whomever I wanted.
As for your Rule #1, I would say never fall in love with a western woman. Been there and done that, and it cost me a lot.
Mike
Yep, my last divorce left me living in a garage for a year..ahhhh the sweet institution of marriage!
Dan Hawaii
02-07-08, 12:59
Wow, most of those items in your list sounds like you're describing an American woman.
Mike
What do you think happens when you bring them to the USA? You will be surprised how fast they become "Americanized".
... I have always come before her family. As of now, she doesn't want to have anything to do with her family at all. In fact she said she really doesn't care to ever see them again....
... but also remember there are many that will make sure that their husband is first. Then if there is anything left it goes to her family.
Mike
Mike thats very unusual in my experience.
Thank your lucky stars.
Amavida
My gf is also from Leyte. I met her in Manila.
In the begining I gave her lot of money telling her to open a bank account and save money and show me the proof.
She did exactly that. I know how cheaply these girls live.
I did not want to meet her family or go to her province. But slowly she said when we were in a hotel in Manila that she has invited one of her cousins family to meet us. They came and talked to me saying my gf family is waiting to see me. Even then I avoided two more months but curiosity got the better of me and I went to see her family. They lived in a small house. That was OK with me. I refused to stay in their house and stayed in a nearby hotel. My girl wanted me to to stay all the time at her house. I refuesed that also. So they invited me for dinner which I later found out she paid money.
I stayed only two days there although we planned stay for one week.
After this episode she started telling me here and there that her family is bothering her to send money. Immediately I cut down on the money I give her.
To cut the long story short unless you marry her and insist that money is controlled, unless you control the money the demand from family will always be there.
unless you control the money the demand from family will always be there.
Yup, you got to keep yourself from becoming an ATM. American Teller Machine. This applies to women all over the 3rd world not just the Philippines but especially in Mexico. Got experience there.
Mugroso
It’s all about how the girl was brought up. My lady was raised in Japan by a single mother. Yes she loves them stacks (Ebonics for money one stack equals $1000) She likes fine jewelry and cloths so do I so I can't complain there. But as for her family she disdains them.
She complains about the leech type behavior and the destruction of her mother finances for helping them out whenever they got in trouble. Case in point: One uncle illegally hooked up a power line resulting in a $5000 fine which the bread winner the mother in Japan had to pay so u see where I am going. I made it clear with her from the jump her family will not be assisted unless someone is dying. Like the sick grandmother which I have saw with my own eyes.
I only give her family money for services rendered and that’s it. Like land prospecting when I go real estate shopping or when one of her cousins drive us around because I am not to keen on driving in the Philippines. Other then that the money stays in my pocket.
marriage!marriage!marriage!
Find me a happy married man and I'll find you a happy zoo monkey!
What i don't understand is many mongers here have been trapped once and wanting to come back again.
A woman's primary goal in this world is to trap a man so he can provide her children and finances so she can raise them
A man's primary goal is to get inside women's pants. It's not natural for men to just F one woman.
Wake up guys! There are 3 billion of them, start making your mark on the wall.
And can someone please explain the joy of being trapped?
Dan Hawaii
02-09-08, 08:52
To cut the long story short unless you marry her and insist that money is controlled, unless you control the money the demand from family will always be there.
If you take her to the USA. Even though you control YOUR money, she will give HER money to the family whenever possible. Leaving you to pay for all her bills and shopping sprees.
When I talk about her money, I'm talking about when she finds a job in the US. It happens alot. Her money always seem to flow to the family, while you are supporting her and yourself, and your kids , if you have any. Not all girls are like this, but the majority of them seem to be this way.
Nothings wrong or bad about loving and supporting your family, just saying this is what takes place most of the time. So when you marry and plan on supporting her, it's not just her that you are going to need to support, but her whole family also.
Dan Hawaii
02-09-08, 09:02
marriage!marriage!marriage!
Find me a happy married man and I'll find you a happy zoo monkey!
What i don't understand is many mongers here have been trapped once and wanting to come back again.
A woman's primary goal in this world is to trap a man so he can provide her children and finances so she can raise them
A man's primary goal is to get inside women's pants. It's not natural for men to just F one woman.
Wake up guys! There are 3 billion of them, start making your mark on the wall.
And can someone please explain the joy of being trapped?
Exactly, this is an instinctive trait of all species. It's important to the survival of the species. I'm not kidding, there is scientific proof on exactly what Columpuss said. Males suppose to pass on their genes (procreate) to as many willing females, in return the females look for a male that can provide security, food, shelter, etc... If a male can provide, the females will mate, because the traits of the father (being a good provider) will be passed down to their children. These positive traits of being able to provide is crucial for the survival of her children, girls know this, that's why they look for males that can provide.
Gotta love science. So mongering is kind of the same principle, we supply money to females, so they can provide for themselves, and we get to mate. :) So why is it illegal or looked down upon? Things that make you go hmmm.
Try to find a book titled "the manipulated man". It's rather old so likely out of print. It's great stuff. In one section the author explains why women look down on prostitutes. The reason is that they are giving it away too cheaply / easily, making their entrapment more difficult.
Strangely enough, the book was written by a woman.
X
marriage!marriage!marriage!
Find me a happy married man and I'll find you a happy zoo monkey!
What i don't understand is many mongers here have been trapped once and wanting to come back again.
A woman's primary goal in this world is to trap a man so he can provide her children and finances so she can raise them
A man's primary goal is to get inside women's pants. It's not natural for men to just F one woman.
Wake up guys! There are 3 billion of them, start making your mark on the wall.
And can someone please explain the joy of being trapped?
marriage!marriage!marriage!
Find me a happy married man and I'll find you a happy zoo monkey!
What i don't understand is many mongers here have been trapped once and wanting to come back again.
A woman's primary goal in this world is to trap a man so he can provide her children and finances so she can raise them
A man's primary goal is to get inside women's pants. It's not natural for men to just F one woman.
Wake up guys! There are 3 billion of them, start making your mark on the wall.
And can someone please explain the joy of being trapped?
Bruh. There are plenty of guys who are happily married. I do not think that all women on the earth main goal is to trap a guy. There are plenty of women who don't want anything but to have a good time and move on. There is nothing that can compare to waking up in the bed with a woman who wants to be there because of you and not what you are going to pay her in the morning.
I have mongered in Uzbekistan, UAE, Japan, Afghanistan, Philippines, Thailand, and South Korea. The story is the same.Yeah there is the thrill of being with a new lady but there is the condom and the threat of catching something nasty, occupational hazard, sure you can catch something from a regular girlfriend also but if you take more time choosing your mate then you do ordering a burger at Mickey D's that would not be a issue.
A lot of women have came and went from my bed but the best girls in the sac has been with women that were my girlfriends. There is a comfort level that can't be matched with with one night stands....
D etat
Quoting you "the best girl has been......my girl friend"
Not your wife!!! There is a universe of difference.
A girl friend is a short term trap and you still have hopes.
A wife is a malignant tumor.
Can you honestly tell me that you can F that girl when she's in her 40s, 100 kilos, with stretch marks, and kids knocking on your door while you clear the fatty slab around her ass to penetrate.
Happy married guys do not frequent this forum
You can F a girl with 2 dollars in her pocket who has great tits
You think a girl can F you with 2 dollars in your pocket even if you're John holmes?
This is not directed at you alone but those who think that the girl you meet in her 20s will stay the same 10 years down the road
I am reaching middle age and never been married and don't understand the need. To each his own, there are exceptions out there but i know you are not one of them because you are reading this buddy. Wish you the best!
D etat
Quoting you "the best girl has been......my girl friend"
Not your wife!!! There is a universe of difference.
A girl friend is a short term trap and you still have hopes.
A wife is a malignant tumor.
Can you honestly tell me that you can F that girl when she's in her 40s, 100 kilos, with stretch marks, and kids knocking on your door while you clear the fatty slab around her ass to penetrate.
Happy married guys do not frequent this forum
You can F a girl with 2 dollars in her pocket who has great tits
You think a girl can F you with 2 dollars in your pocket even if you're John holmes?
This is not directed at you alone but those who think that the girl you meet in her 20s will stay the same 10 years down the road
I am reaching middle age and never been married and don't understand the need. To each his own, there are exceptions out there but i know you are not one of them because you are reading this buddy. Wish you the best!
Bruh I was married to an American woman for four years. It didn't work for various reasons. To say that the institution of marriage is shit is just like saying mongers are "pathetic and have to pay for it." Individuals have to find and do what’s right for them. Marriage is not bad if the two people involved are adults and both are willing pull their weight mentally, emotionally and financially.
As for $2 dollars statement. There are a lot of women who stick by broke ass men. If you frequently travel to the Philippines as I suspect you do then I know you have seen it. Hell I have many relatives back in my hometown in the USA who dont share my enthusiasm for making money and they still have women on their arms.
As for the being attracted to old age. I am in my 20s and I hope about time I reach middle age if I am with a lady whom I have dated for many years by that time I should be able to see past her outward appearance after the years invested. We all get old bruh. Some men can't see themeselves sleeping with a different lady every night. Some guys can't bring themselves to pay for sex in the business of prostituion. Some guys can't see themselves with the same women for years and years as you said to each its own.....
You take care bruh
Naked Gunz
02-10-08, 08:43
Bruh. There are plenty of guys who are happily married. I do not think that all women on the earth main goal is to trap a guy. There are plenty of women who don't want anything but to have a good time and move on. There is nothing that can compare to waking up in the bed with a woman who wants to be there because of you and not what you are going to pay her in the morning.
I have mongered in Uzbekistan, UAE, Japan, Afghanistan, Philippines, Thailand, and South Korea. The story is the same.Yeah there is the thrill of being with a new lady but there is the condom and the threat of catching something nasty, occupational hazard, sure you can catch something from a regular girlfriend also but if you take more time choosing your mate then you do ordering a burger at Mickey D's that would not be a issue.
A lot of women have came and went from my bed but the best girls in the sac has been with women that were my girlfriends. There is a comfort level that can't be matched with with one night stands....
As they declared their love, some have been better than others.
As they declared their price, some have been better than others.
Rentals are returned easier than purchases..
Don't rule out the great GFE ho that goes above and beyond.
Finding them is easier than "the one". And I can always go back.
That's an impressive list over most Western men, but there are some here that have mongered abt 4x that many countries. That "I love you for you" feeling erodes with time like all things in life. I think you should define where these great relationships are. USA or 3rd world. We all know there is a world of diff...Peace
As they declared their love, some have been better than others.
As they declared their price, some have been better than others.
Rentals are returned easier than purchases..
Don't rule out the great GFE ho that goes above and beyond.
Finding them is easier than "the one". And I can always go back.
Man look don’t get me twisted and think I am on “a get married quest.” As Columpuss so eloquently pointed out if I was I would not be on this board. All I am saying don’t shit on others decisions to get married. I defend mongers in the same way when I hear guys especially co-workers of mine saying guys who go Thailand or the Philippines are losers and they cant get a girl in their own country etc… In retrospect to go back to a good GFE. Go back to what? A lady who while you were gone how many men had their way with her?
That's an impressive list over most Western men, but there are some here that have mongered abt 4x that many countries. That "I love you for you" feeling erodes with time like all things in life. I think you should define where these great relationships are. USA or 3rd world. We all know there is a world of diff...Peace
Bruh thats a small list of countries I have been to I am in my late 20s but each of those countries I have visited more then 3 times and I live in Metro Manila. About feelings eroding thats up to them two people involved in that relationship. Man I know many guys who are happily married in the states as I due in the Philippines where I now call home. Where are the great relationships found you asked?
In my opinion they can be found in the 3rd world more likely then in the west but at what cost? A women who is economically dependant on you so she puts up with your bullshit?
He guys I am not arguing or debating just another point of view to all the monger out there I congratulate you. To all the married guys a thumbs up also. Live the way you see fit. Both lifestyles have advantages and disadvantages its up to you to choose which one fits you.
Take it sleazy
Interesting and varied opinions being presented. D'etat, lighten up. Nothing wrong with your position, no one is attacking you. There may be an attack on the institution of marriage....who knows.
On one point, men want sex, mate and to get that we sometimes have to commit. Watch any chick flick and commitment is the end game for them. And if we want to pass on our genes, marriage (or some similar "contract") is usually necessary -- and also morally relevant. Columpuss, take note.
I once read an essay describing how college professors have very low satisfaction with their wives. This is because they have a bunch of hot young women sitting in front of them every day. Someone like Columpuss, and me, who regularly goes to PI, might say that 40ish Western (and Eastern) women are ....over the hill. But they start looking better when you have nothing else to chase....
It's all relative.
x
Dan Hawaii
02-10-08, 12:19
Bruh. There are plenty of guys who are happily married. I do not think that all women on the earth main goal is to trap a guy. There are plenty of women who don't want anything but to have a good time and move on. There is nothing that can compare to waking up in the bed with a woman who wants to be there because of you and not what you are going to pay her in the morning.
I have mongered in Uzbekistan, UAE, Japan, Afghanistan, Philippines, Thailand, and South Korea. The story is the same.Yeah there is the thrill of being with a new lady but there is the condom and the threat of catching something nasty, occupational hazard, sure you can catch something from a regular girlfriend also but if you take more time choosing your mate then you do ordering a burger at Mickey D's that would not be a issue.
A lot of women have came and went from my bed but the best girls in the sac has been with women that were my girlfriends. There is a comfort level that can't be matched with with one night stands....
I can find a hot wg and do her all night and all day. She can be the most finest girl you ever saw. However, by the 5 th day, it's kind of gets boring.
Analogy, you can eat your favorite food and say, dam, this is delicious, I can eat this everyday. But as the 5 th day comes around, you feel sick and don't want to eat this, once delicious food, you want variety. Same here for me with girls. No matter how hot or beautiful they are, I always want new flavor.
Dan Hawaii
02-10-08, 12:26
We all get old bruh. That's what we are paying for, their youth.
Some men can't see themeselves sleeping with a different lady every night. That's what I want every night, a different flavor.
Some guys can't bring themselves to pay for sex in the business of prostituion.
I pay them to leave:)
Dan Hawaii
02-10-08, 12:31
As they declared their love, some have been better than others.
As they declared their price, some have been better than others.
Rentals are returned easier than purchases..
Don't rule out the great GFE ho that goes above and beyond.
Finding them is easier than "the one". And I can always go back.
That's an impressive list over most Western men, but there are some here that have mongered abt 4x that many countries. That "I love you for you" feeling erodes with time like all things in life. I think you should define where these great relationships are. USA or 3rd world. We all know there is a world of diff...Peace
"Only poor people have true love, because they are so poor... that's the only thing they can give and expect from each other. "
Fastpiston
02-24-08, 06:38
news item from london daily mail today. best make very sure your filipina is not already married! most of them are, but will not tell you!
british man facing jail over his 'adultery' with a filipino woman asks: 'why won't the foreign office help us?'
by andrew drummond
last updated at 00:23am on 24th february 2008
when david scott fell in love with a beautiful filipino woman, he embraced the opportunity to escape his humdrum existence as a machine operator in swindon and begin a new life in an exotic land.
but within weeks of leaving his friends and family to join his girlfriend in her native country, his dream of happiness has vanished - to be replaced by a nightmare he could never have anticipated.
after fathering a child with cynthia delfino, whose separation from her estranged husband was not complete, the 35-year-old became an unwitting victim of the philippines' harsh legal system.
he and 29-year-old cynthia were charged with adultery and thrown into a rat-infested prison for four days.
terrified: david and cynthia must pay her estranged husband £7,000 but have no money
and despite david having spent his life-savings trying to ensure freedom for the couple and their newborn baby, they have now had to go into hiding as the country's police search for them.
if they are caught, david faces seven years in jail and having his daughter taken away from him permanently.
"i can't believe this has happened to me," he said at his hideaway in a squalid suburb of the philippines capital manila, after almost two months on the run.
"i have done nothing wrong and yet i have found myself in this horrendous situation. i am begging the british government to help."
david's ordeal began when cynthia became pregnant with his child before she had officially separated. adultery is illegal in the philippines, where it can incur a seven-year jail sentence.
now, just weeks after the birth of baby janina, cynthia's estranged husband - who is considered the child's legal father in the philippines - is determined to see the pair imprisoned if they do not pay him £7,000 compensation.
if they are jailed, he will be the one bringing up their baby daughter, a prospect david says breaks his heart. now only cash, which david and cynthia do not have, or diplomatic pressure, can save them from jail. however, the foreign and commonwealth office say they cannot interfere with philippine law.
david said: "nobody is going to take my daughter away from me. it will be over my dead body. under british law my daughter is mine. why can't the foreign office help?"
cynthia, a psychology graduate from manila's colegio de san juan de letran, met david over the internet in november 2006.
at the time, she had been separated from her husband, noriel delfino, for a year and was working as a supervisor at the emirates palace hotel in abu dhabi.
david, then living in swindon, was working on a contract for the ministry of defence, cutting armour for use on military vehicles in iraq.
they began talking on the website camfrog.com and soon realised their attraction for one another.
"we used a webcam, so i knew how beautiful she was, and from the start we were direct and honest with each other," said david.
"we would spend hours talking about every subject under the sun - we just clicked." cynthia said: "i was honest with david. i said i was married and had two children, a boy and a girl, but was separated from my husband and we were going through a marriage annulment. divorce is illegal in the philippines.
"my husband had ordered me to go to work in the middle east and every month i sent back just about all my salary, 20,000 pesos (£300), to pay for him and the children.
"but he never told me what he did with the money and it was clear our marriage was not going to work.
"we talked about annulling our marriage and he even sent me an email saying he wanted the annulment to get done as soon as possible."
the couple's first face-to-face meeting took place last february at manila's ninoy aquino international airport, as she flew in from the middle east and david flew in from london. "shortly after i met cynthia, i knew our relationship was going to work," said david.
hiding: david, cynthia and newborn janina outside manila
"we had a wonderful time in the mountains of luzon near an extinct volcano at a place called laguna, but after six weeks i had to rush home when i heard my father was dying.
"but we had already agreed we would both save our money to pay for the annulment and plan our own marriage. then, out of the blue, cynthia rang crying to say she was pregnant. i said: 'why are you crying? that is great news.'
"i was as happy as the happiest expectant dad. i told her to get on with the annulment."
cynthia said: "my husband agreed on the grounds of 'psychological incapacity', the only grounds for annulment in the philippines. he even said he wanted to get it over with as quickly as possible."
but then in september at a matrimonial court in manila, where cynthia was due to give evidence, lawyers from her husband suddenly withdrew from the case.
"they were preparing charges against me," said cynthia.
unknown to the couple, noriel had discovered a photograph of cynthia and david they had posted on a website similar to facebook.
enraged, he then began proceedings to have them arrested for adultery.
david said: "i rushed out in november with all my savings to be with cynthia for the last part of her pregnancy.
"everything seemed to be going wrong but i wanted to be there with my wife when my baby was born.
"our real nightmare began on december 30 when police and immigration officials raided the house i had rented in the suburb of caloocan. it was about 10pm and there were all these people outside shouting.
"there were local police, immigration officials and officers of the national bureau of investigation, their version of the fbi. we were taken along to the local police station and thrown into a cell. they said they were charging us with adultery and cynthia's husband was demanding £7,000 in compensation.
"the cell was not big enough to lie down in, so we sat there hunched for three nights and four days.
"it was crawling with cockroaches and other insects, stank of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) and there was my girlfriend eight months pregnant and in great discomfort.
"they wanted to separate us, so we had to pay 500 pesos, about £8, each night to different officers to allow us to be together.
"every night, though, a different policeman would take it in turns outside our cell flicking the light on and off. we pretended to be asleep.
"they took us out during the day to question cynthia and get my details and fingerprints. they let us wash from a bucket; cynthia's relatives brought us soap and toothpaste.
"eventually, on the fourth day, a lawyer came on the recommendation of the british embassy, who got us bail.
"the bail was about 12,000 pesos each - £150. but we had to pay 100,000 pesos, £1,250, to somebody under the table to actually get the bail."
the couple were ordered to appear in court on april 12 to hear their fate.
since then, they have been on the run, fearing that cynthia's husband was trying to get their bail revoked.
they have moved from shack to rented room in the squalor of suburban manila as they desperately try to find a solution to their problems.
david's savings have long since run out and the couple are now surviving on charity from friends and family.
yesterday, david's distraught mother sent her son £100, without which he says they would not be able to afford food.
he said: "we have changed our address twice. i rarely go out. i am the only european here, so if i go out, i stand out like a sore thumb.
"i sit and watch from the window. we have received messages that the police are looking for us, so i am always looking out of the window."
when their daughter was born, the couple's difficult circumstances clouded what was supposed to be a joyful occasion.
"we could not go to one of the big hospitals as they pass on their records quickly to the authorities. instead, we had to go to a small clinic where cynthia was the only in-patient.
"it was a harrowing time. janina was born two weeks early by caesarean section on january 17 and weighed just over 6lb.
"she had an irregular heartbeat which caused us days of worrying. in addition, cynthia lost so much blood after the operation that she had to have a transfusion. thankfully, due to the generosity and kindness of some very good-hearted filipino people, we have been looked after very well since janina's birth and she is now doing just fine.
"but all our money has gone, to lawyers, to police, to hospital bills and on living expenses. my mum rang me today to say she has just sent me £100.
"that's so unfair. it's me who should be looking after my mum. she is 62 and disabled and gets very little in the way of pension. she has been scraping round friends and relatives.
"i hope one day i can tell my daughter janina of this nightmare, of what her mum and i went through. but if the full course of philippines law is followed, cynthia and i will be in jail and delfino will have my daughter.
"we have begged the embassy for help. i thought the child of a british father had the right to british citizenship. but the embassy official allocated to my case is filipino and just quotes filipino law at me, saying it's not my child."
at this point cynthia began to cry, saying: "sometimes i just want to give up fighting.
"i feel so depressed. let them take me to jail. i have done nothing to be ashamed of. i love david and our daughter."
david's mother ann has received a letter from anne snelgrove, labour mpfor south swindon who has promised her 'full support'.
the mp said: "the nationality directorate says that the child will automatically have british nationality if david is named on the birth certificate as the child's father."
but she added: "until this case is settled in the philippines under their law, there is little we can do to progress the matter."
by that time david and cynthia expect to be in jail.
philippines lawyer and women's and children's rights activist katrina legarda warned: "i have to tell you the worst first. david scott is in great danger if he stays here. the fact that he has a baby proves the adultery.
"the baby is not legally his. a child born in a marriage is considered legitimate to the marriage only.
"legally the baby belongs to her filipino husband. frankly put, he does not have a child. he should go home."
ms legarda continued: "as it stands, it seems the only way out is for david to pay the husband. no matter how bad the husband might be, even if the couple are separated, the law still applies.
"i know this sounds unfair but this is the law and whenever we try to change it there is an outcry from the religious groups.
"this should not really be happening. we tried over 20 years ago to introduce a divorce law, but those who supported it were condemned in the pulpits of catholic churches all over the country as people who would go to hell.
"for david and cynthia, and others like them, it is a very sad situation."
a foreign office spokesman said: "we are aware of the case and are providing consular assistance to mr scott and his family, but cannot comment further due to data protection."
In my opinion, Filipinas make the best girlfriends, lovers, and friends.compared to females in the other Asian countries, they aren't as strict, serious, prudish or hung up. Instead, they are more relaxed, carefree, happy-go-lucky, easygoing, playful, passionate and sensual. They are also very nonjudgmental and nonracist. And they have a great sense of humor, enjoying the silliest things which easily amuse them. Thus, you can always have fun and joke around or play with them, even if you have nothing else to talk about. That's so nice and refreshing, especially when you are so accustomed to ant****iality and hostility from women in the US.
Best of all, they LOVE to flirt. When I flirt with girls in the Philippines, they not only enjoy it, but it actually ADDS FUEL to our chemistry (whereas in the US, flirting with girls "creeped" them out and emanated a vibe of hostility from them). And that's a big thing to me, because I am a big-time flirt!
Filipinas are also a great blend of outer and inner traits. Ethnically, they are Asian, Malay and Spanish, resulting in a very exotic and beautiful mix that is very pleasing and sensual to the eyes. Their exotic sexy sensual olive complexion ranges from light to dark shades, all of which are sexy to me and many other foreigners here. And their attractive highly feminine appearance is combined with a tender romantic loving/caring inner side to them – a fantastic blend to say the least.
The way they treat you and touch you is just so sensual and fulfilling. They have this warm tender touch that white women definitely don’t have (not to sound racist). I’ve experienced it and can understand now why so many foreign men are addicted to the Philippines and to Filipinas. I think it’s a genetic thing, not just a cultural thing, as you can feel it to the bone (and soul). Not to sound racist, but just as brown sugar is healthier than white sugar, and brown rice is healthier than white rice, (as any nutritionist will tell you) perhaps brown skinned women are healthier for your mind, body, and sanity as well. They seem to bring this natural balance to your life and soul.
Thus, I’d say that even if you didn’t have a taste for Filipinas or Asian women before, if you come to the Philippines, you soon will. Once you’re here and experience females of this caliber, any preferences you had will simply go "out the window. "
Not only are most Filipinas either hot or cute, and passionate and tender in bed, but their personality is so soothing, gentle, easy-going and accommodating that they are like my best friends too. They are just so comfortable to be around, in a way that you could never imagine possible in the West.
They are also a great blend of White and Asian traits. Their Spanish blood makes them much more wild, relaxed, passionate and expressive than Orientals such as the Chinese, Japanese, or Koreans, who are non-expressive, robotic and overly serious and strict in comparison. And they have big round eyes that are considered attractive in Western Culture (although to my surprise, my slanted Asian eyes are considered more attractive in Filipino culture than their big round eyes are). They have all the physical beauty of thin feminine Asian women in light and dark colors ("vanilla and chocolate" so to speak), as well as their humble, modest, sweet, pleasing, soothing romantic nature. The only drawbacks to them are that they don’t like to think much, don’t like to answer questions or provide explanations when asked to do so, and are sometimes moody and quiet for unexplainable reasons that they refuse to discuss. It seems in their nature to be that way. Thus you don’t get much intellectual stimulation with them. But the good news is that it’s much easier to train and educate them than it is to teach a Westernized woman to be sweeter and more loving.
Although Filipinas aren't as intellectual, educated, or deep-thinking as the European women are, they make up for it in their other qualities. They have this essence about them, warm sensual tenderness and a way of treating you that makes you feel needed and loved, like a real man, in a way that you had always wished and dreamed deep down but never dared hoped for. It's beyond words. Something you have to feel and experience as a man to understand. And when you do, you realize it's what you had always wanted. And even friends. They are tender, sweet, passionate and fun.
In a way, it's like they give new birth to your heart, for if your heart had lost faith in love, they awaken it and renew it with their child-like hope and belief in love, making it a reality for you, and making you a believer again as well.
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News item from London Daily Mail today. Best make very sure your Filipina is not already married! Most of them are, but will not tell you!
British man facing jail over his 'adultery' with a Filipino woman asks: 'Why won't the Foreign Office help us?'
By ANDREW DRUMMOND
Last updated at 00:23am on 24th February 2008
When David Scott fell in love with a beautiful Filipino woman, he embraced the opportunity to escape his humdrum existence as a machine operator in Swindon and begin a new life in an exotic land.
But within weeks of leaving his friends and family to join his girlfriend in her native country, his dream of happiness has vanished - to be replaced by a nightmare he could never have anticipated.
After fathering a child with Cynthia Delfino, whose separation from her estranged husband was not complete, the 35-year-old became an unwitting victim of the Philippines' harsh legal system.
He and 29-year-old Cynthia were charged with adultery and thrown into a rat-infested prison for four days.
Terrified: David and Cynthia must pay her estranged husband £7,000 but have no money
...
Divorce is a long expensive process that only wealthy Philipinas can afford so many dont even bothering getting the correct legal marriage certificate in the first place & if they did they are unlikely to ever get a legal divorce.
So there are many pinays in the situation of in the twightlight zone of marriage/divorce.
If true, this guy either pissed someone off or he was a vicitm of a one in a million scam.
Happy Mongering
Amavida
IgoforAsian
02-26-08, 02:45
Wow, Wu Master, you echo my sentiments exactly. I could not have said it better myself!
I was stationed on Okinawa in the US military in 1985-86. I made about 8 trips to the PI in 18 months. I was single and E5 rank with money to burn. It only cost U$10 to fly each way and 30 days leave a year gave me plenty of time to monger. I really fell in love with the Filipino people. Most of the women I had sex with were bargirls and I tried to treat them well, more like a girlfriend and less like a bargirl. It seemed to be appreciated later in the night. I let the women help make decisions, like where to eat and where to party. I took one girl to a Filipino movie. Did not understand what was going on but the lady translated the important parts for me. I had so much fun with the ladies I thought I might want to marry a Filipina and settle down. I was watching a TV program on AFRTS about a Filipina wife and American husband who ran an introduction service so wrote the TV station and got the address.
When I returned to the states in 1986, I wrote the introduction service. They were having a special so I ordered a listing. I spent hours reading the bios and studying the pictures. I initially wrote to about 25 women with 15 replying. I developed a questionnaire to get pertinent info on each lady and allow me to compare apples to apples. I sent many letters and some money for stamps and small Christmas presents. Most interesting was a sixteen year old school girl I wrote on a lark. I told her nothing would come of it but was interested in a pin pal. She seemed sad when I told her I had narrowed my choices and would not be writing again. Over the course of the next year, I slowly reduced my interests to five ladies. I was getting serious and contacted the Immigration Service and got the paperwork for a fiancée visa. This would allow me 90 days after my mate entered the US before I had to get married or send her home.
I decided another trip to the Philippines was necessary to meet my five prospective mates in person. I went back to PI in February 1987 for 30 days military leave. Three ladies agreed to meet me. Since I was more familiar with Angeles City, I made plans to meet them there spaced out over three weekends and leaving a week to spend with the lady of my choice in Manila to meet her family and friends before returning to the states. I made it clear there would be no hank-panky and each lady was free to bring a friend or relative. I reserved a separate room for the ladies in the main hotel while I stayed in the quieter and more private annex.
I flew into Manila and unexpectedly one of the ladies and her brother met me at the airport and helped me get to my hotel (satellite of the one I was using in AC). We had lunch and talked for a while. The brother took an interested and asked some probing questions about me, my family, and job. I took the hotel bus to AC and settled into the hotel. The reason I planned to meet the ladies over the weekend was to fit their work schedules and my mongering. Figuring I had Monday to Thursday to chase girls and a nice leisurely weekend spending time with my love interests and catching up on rest.
The first prospect to visit was the lady who met me in Manila and her brother. She was dark-skinned, tall and slim, 25 years old, and a school teacher. A very nice looking and self assured lady. We had some nice time together, meals, sight seeing, etc. After many long conversations, it was decided she would be happier staying in the PI and teaching school.
The second lady was a total waste of time but her sister was quite cute and outgoing.
The third lady was my favorite and my best hope for a mate. That is why she was the last to visit. She was 24, a trained engineer, 5'4, 105 lbs and really really cute. I was so sure about her I told my family about her and my hopes of marriage. Her best friend had sent her picture and bio to the agency and #3 confused when a bunch of unknown men started writing her. Her friend finally confessed. I was one of about three men she had corresponded with. Three days before her arrival, I received a phone call from her saying she would not be coming since her friend, who was to accompany her had backed out. I protested hoping she would still come. She said her sister, who she was living with, would not let her come alone. Crap!!
On the Friday lady #3 was to arrive, I had finally snagged a cute young bargirl I had been chasing for weeks and arranged to pick her up later for dinner, disco and a night together. When I returned to the hotel, BANG!!! There was lady #3 sitting demurely on a bench waiting for me. When it rains... She had defied her sister and come alone. I was impressed and more sure she was the one. I booked her a room and carried her bag for her. While she was freshening up, I scurried back to the bar and arranged a rain-check for the little honey I had been chasing. (It was anti-climatic since she was a terrible lay and I sent her home after a quickie.) Lady #3 and I spent some quality time together and decided to give marriage a chance.
Plans were made to meet in Manila and finalize the fiancée visa. I met her sister and brother-in-law and assured them I had the best of intentions. We took the paperwork to the US Embassy and had them check it. I had to wait until I got home to file the visa request which I did.
Made travel plans for her trip to the US. Marriage in the PI was out of the question due to paperwork and time restraints. The military required extensive marriage counseling and a 30-day waiting period. Immigration took about three months to process and approve the visa. My travel agent set up an open ticket with Philippine Airlines for my fiancée. I made wedding plans as we had decide not to drag out the engagement. Every thing looking rosy, right? WRONG. A week before fiancée was to leave the PI she called with bad news. When she went Philippine Airlines to book her flight, PAL said they had a three month backlog of people waiting for flights to the US. She was upset and I was less than happy. Called my travel agent at home and explained the situation. I authorized any new credit card charges and turned her loose on PAL. One last business class seat was snared and the trip was on. Looking rosy again, right? WRONG, again. On the appointed day, I flew to Los Angeles to meet my fiancée and found out her airplane was grounded in Manila for a one-time inspection and had not even taken off yet. Crap!! Was assured by PAL, airplane would arrive next day. Finally, she arrived and we returned home to start our new lives together.
There were some rough times but more good times. We celebrated our 20th wedding anniversary this past summer. My decision to marry lady #3 was the smartest thing I have ever done. She is still cute, young looking, and very passionate in bed. She keeps herself slim and fit, only gained 5 pounds in 20 years. I love her more today than ever.
There are some real jewels out there if you take the time to find them.
Slim
Dan Hawaii
02-28-08, 11:02
I was stationed on Okinawa in the US military in 1985-86. I made about 8 trips to the PI in 18 months. I was single and E5 rank with money to burn. It only cost U$10 to fly each way and 30 days leave a year gave me plenty of time to monger. I really fell in love with the Filipino people. Most of the women I had sex with were bargirls and I tried to treat them well, more like a girlfriend and less like a bargirl. It seemed to be appreciated later in the night. I let the women help make decisions, like where to eat and where to party. I took one girl to a Filipino movie. Did not understand what was going on but the lady translated the important parts for me. I had so much fun with the ladies I thought I might want to marry a Filipina and settle down. I was watching a TV program on AFRTS about a Filipina wife and American husband who ran an introduction service so wrote the TV station and got the address.
When I returned to the states in 1986, I wrote the introduction service. They were having a special so I ordered a listing. I spent hours reading the bios and studying the pictures. I initially wrote to about 25 women with 15 replying. I developed a questionnaire to get pertinent info on each lady and allow me to compare apples to apples. I sent many letters and some money for stamps and small Christmas presents. Most interesting was a sixteen year old school girl I wrote on a lark. I told her nothing would come of it but was interested in a pin pal. She seemed sad when I told her I had narrowed my choices and would not be writing again. Over the course of the next year, I slowly reduced my interests to five ladies. I was getting serious and contacted the Immigration Service and got the paperwork for a fiancée visa. This would allow me 90 days after my mate entered the US before I had to get married or send her home.
I decided another trip to the Philippines was necessary to meet my five prospective mates in person. I went back to PI in February 1987 for 30 days military leave. Three ladies agreed to meet me. Since I was more familiar with Angeles City, I made plans to meet them there spaced out over three weekends and leaving a week to spend with the lady of my choice in Manila to meet her family and friends before returning to the states. I made it clear there would be no hank-panky and each lady was free to bring a friend or relative. I reserved a separate room for the ladies in the main hotel while I stayed in the quieter and more private annex.
I flew into Manila and unexpectedly one of the ladies and her brother met me at the airport and helped me get to my hotel (satellite of the one I was using in AC). We had lunch and talked for a while. The brother took an interested and asked some probing questions about me, my family, and job. I took the hotel bus to AC and settled into the hotel. The reason I planned to meet the ladies over the weekend was to fit their work schedules and my mongering. Figuring I had Monday to Thursday to chase girls and a nice leisurely weekend spending time with my love interests and catching up on rest.
The first prospect to visit was the lady who met me in Manila and her brother. She was dark-skinned, tall and slim, 25 years old, and a school teacher. A very nice looking and self assured lady. We had some nice time together, meals, sight seeing, etc. After many long conversations, it was decided she would be happier staying in the PI and teaching school.
The second lady was a total waste of time but her sister was quite cute and outgoing.
The third lady was my favorite and my best hope for a mate. That is why she was the last to visit. She was 24, a trained engineer, 5'4, 105 lbs and really really cute. I was so sure about her I told my family about her and my hopes of marriage. Her best friend had sent her picture and bio to the agency and #3 confused when a bunch of unknown men started writing her. Her friend finally confessed. I was one of about three men she had corresponded with. Three days before her arrival, I received a phone call from her saying she would not be coming since her friend, who was to accompany her had backed out. I protested hoping she would still come. She said her sister, who she was living with, would not let her come alone. Crap!!
On the Friday lady #3 was to arrive, I had finally snagged a cute young bargirl I had been chasing for weeks and arranged to pick her up later for dinner, disco and a night together. When I returned to the hotel, BANG!!! There was lady #3 sitting demurely on a bench waiting for me. When it rains... She had defied her sister and come alone. I was impressed and more sure she was the one. I booked her a room and carried her bag for her. While she was freshening up, I scurried back to the bar and arranged a rain-check for the little honey I had been chasing. (It was anti-climatic since she was a terrible lay and I sent her home after a quickie.) Lady #3 and I spent some quality time together and decided to give marriage a chance.
Plans were made to meet in Manila and finalize the fiancée visa. I met her sister and brother-in-law and assured them I had the best of intentions. We took the paperwork to the US Embassy and had them check it. I had to wait until I got home to file the visa request which I did.
Made travel plans for her trip to the US. Marriage in the PI was out of the question due to paperwork and time restraints. The military required extensive marriage counseling and a 30-day waiting period. Immigration took about three months to process and approve the visa. My travel agent set up an open ticket with Philippine Airlines for my fiancée. I made wedding plans as we had decide not to drag out the engagement. Every thing looking rosy, right? WRONG. A week before fiancée was to leave the PI she called with bad news. When she went Philippine Airlines to book her flight, PAL said they had a three month backlog of people waiting for flights to the US. She was upset and I was less than happy. Called my travel agent at home and explained the situation. I authorized any new credit card charges and turned her loose on PAL. One last business class seat was snared and the trip was on. Looking rosy again, right? WRONG, again. On the appointed day, I flew to Los Angeles to meet my fiancée and found out her airplane was grounded in Manila for a one-time inspection and had not even taken off yet. Crap!! Was assured by PAL, airplane would arrive next day. Finally, she arrived and we returned home to start our new lives together.
There were some rough times but more good times. We celebrated our 20th wedding anniversary this past summer. My decision to marry lady #3 was the smartest thing I have ever done. She is still cute, young looking, and very passionate in bed. She keeps herself slim and fit, only gained 5 pounds in 20 years. I love her more today than ever.
There are some real jewels out there if you take the time to find them.
Slim
Wow , great story with a story book ending. I wish I had that kind of luck. My modo, now, is to just move to PI and live with the girls, and never take them back to the USA. Trying to set this up so it can happen, you know, financially. I hope I can retire in PI someday.
Bill Buxton
02-29-08, 07:36
In my opinion, Filipinas make the best girlfriends, lovers, and friends.compared to females in the other Asian countries, they aren't as strict, serious, prudish or hung up. Instead, they are more relaxed, carefree, happy-go-lucky, easygoing, playful, passionate and sensual. They are also very nonjudgmental and nonracist. And they have a great sense of humor, enjoying the silliest things which easily amuse them. Thus, you can always have fun and joke around or play with them, even if you have nothing else to talk about. That's so nice and refreshing, especially when you are so accustomed to ant****iality and hostility from women in the US.
Best of all, they LOVE to flirt. When I flirt with girls in the Philippines, they not only enjoy it, but it actually ADDS FUEL to our chemistry (whereas in the US, flirting with girls "creeped" them out and emanated a vibe of hostility from them). And that's a big thing to me, because I am a big-time flirt!
Filipinas are also a great blend of outer and inner traits. Ethnically, they are Asian, Malay and Spanish, resulting in a very exotic and beautiful mix that is very pleasing and sensual to the eyes. Their exotic sexy sensual olive complexion ranges from light to dark shades, all of which are sexy to me and many other foreigners here. And their attractive highly feminine appearance is combined with a tender romantic loving/caring inner side to them – a fantastic blend to say the least.
The way they treat you and touch you is just so sensual and fulfilling. They have this warm tender touch that white women definitely don’t have (not to sound racist). I’ve experienced it and can understand now why so many foreign men are addicted to the Philippines and to Filipinas. I think it’s a genetic thing, not just a cultural thing, as you can feel it to the bone (and soul). Not to sound racist, but just as brown sugar is healthier than white sugar, and brown rice is healthier than white rice, (as any nutritionist will tell you) perhaps brown skinned women are healthier for your mind, body, and sanity as well. They seem to bring this natural balance to your life and soul.
Thus, I’d say that even if you didn’t have a taste for Filipinas or Asian women before, if you come to the Philippines, you soon will. Once you’re here and experience females of this caliber, any preferences you had will simply go "out the window. "
Not only are most Filipinas either hot or cute, and passionate and tender in bed, but their personality is so soothing, gentle, easy-going and accommodating that they are like my best friends too. They are just so comfortable to be around, in a way that you could never imagine possible in the West.
They are also a great blend of White and Asian traits. Their Spanish blood makes them much more wild, relaxed, passionate and expressive than Orientals such as the Chinese, Japanese, or Koreans, who are non-expressive, robotic and overly serious and strict in comparison. And they have big round eyes that are considered attractive in Western Culture (although to my surprise, my slanted Asian eyes are considered more attractive in Filipino culture than their big round eyes are). They have all the physical beauty of thin feminine Asian women in light and dark colors ("vanilla and chocolate" so to speak), as well as their humble, modest, sweet, pleasing, soothing romantic nature. The only drawbacks to them are that they don’t like to think much, don’t like to answer questions or provide explanations when asked to do so, and are sometimes moody and quiet for unexplainable reasons that they refuse to discuss. It seems in their nature to be that way. Thus you don’t get much intellectual stimulation with them. But the good news is that it’s much easier to train and educate them than it is to teach a Westernized woman to be sweeter and more loving.
Although Filipinas aren't as intellectual, educated, or deep-thinking as the European women are, they make up for it in their other qualities. They have this essence about them, warm sensual tenderness and a way of treating you that makes you feel needed and loved, like a real man, in a way that you had always wished and dreamed deep down but never dared hoped for. It's beyond words. Something you have to feel and experience as a man to understand. And when you do, you realize it's what you had always wanted. And even friends. They are tender, sweet, passionate and fun.
In a way, it's like they give new birth to your heart, for if your heart had lost faith in love, they awaken it and renew it with their child-like hope and belief in love, making it a reality for you, and making you a believer again as well.Nice to see some good words about the real ways of the girls here.The gals here are hands down better than any others I have ever found.
B.B.
Soapy Smith
02-29-08, 20:30
In my opinion, Filipinas make the best girlfriends, lovers, and friends.compared to females in the other Asian countries, they aren't as strict, serious, prudish or hung up. Instead, they are more relaxed, carefree, happy-go-lucky, easygoing, playful, passionate and sensual. They are also very nonjudgmental and nonracist. And they have a great sense of humor, enjoying the silliest things which easily amuse them. Thus, you can always have fun and joke around or play with them, even if you have nothing else to talk about. That's so nice and refreshing, especially when you are so accustomed to ant****iality and hostility from women in the US.[/blue][/size]I have found that not all Filipinas live up to this standard, but the ones who do make the hunt worthwhile. When they are playful and teasing and smiling as Wu describes they just light up the room, as well as my heart and groin. And yes, the brown rice metaphor works for me. Mas masarap!
Skip
Starchild2012
03-03-08, 17:03
In my opinion, Filipinas make the best girlfriends, lovers, and friends.compared to females in the other Asian countries, they aren't as strict, serious, prudish or hung up. Instead, they are more relaxed, carefree, happy-go-lucky, easygoing, playful, passionate and sensual. They are also very nonjudgmental and nonracist. And they have a great sense of humor, enjoying the silliest things which easily amuse them. Thus, you can always have fun and joke around or play with them, even if you have nothing else to talk about. That's so nice and refreshing, especially when you are so accustomed to ant****iality and hostility from women in the US.
I agree, What you wrote could be summed up in one word ..Angel :)
Puerto La Cruz
03-05-08, 02:55
Anywhere in Asia is racist vs. whites. I encounter it every time I am there from the families of the women I date down to the restaruants and bars that I go to with or without an Asian girl. But, I'm not in ACwhere it seems the white guy is king. Get outside of AC in the Phils and you are pretty well in need of local talent. Then, the "white" thing starts again.
GoodEnough
03-05-08, 03:11
Funny, but I've lived here almost five years now, traveled fairly extensively around the country, and I've never run into any of the anti-white attitude that you describe. Either I've been extremely lucky or you have been very unlucky. Contrary to your experiences I've found that often there's too much deference paid to whites.
GE
Soapy Smith
03-05-08, 07:48
Anywhere in Asia is racist vs. whites. I encounter it every time I am there from the families of the women I date down to the restaruants and bars that I go to with or without an Asian girl. But, I'm not in ACwhere it seems the white guy is king. Get outside of AC in the Phils and you are pretty well in need of local talent. Then, the "white" thing starts again.I found that Filipinos sometimes stared at me, especially little children, but I presumed it was simply because I looked different. My daughter, who's in her late 20s, visited me for several weeks and we did some touristy things together. Filipino men were always staring but never inappropriate. In fact, White people are the images of beauty that get flashed at them in our movies, so that, unfortunately, they feel sort of an inferiority complex by comparison to White people as though we're an Aryan super race. Do they like our money? Of course, but, believe it or not, some young Pinays even think of us old farts as attractive. Sure, it's sometimes a put on, but not always. I've also talked to a number of attractive young Western women who rode the tightly packed LR trains around Manila and never once got pinched. They wouldn't dare try that in Mexico or Italy.
Filipino's treatment toward me in restaurants and stores was often much more cordial and attentive than toward other Filipinos. I'm not talking about Ermita, or P. Burgos, or near the EDSA complex, which they think of as red light districts, but in the other Metro Manila areas like Quezon City, San Juan, Pasig, or Makati. Is this treatment due to expectations for American-sized tips or an assumption that I was more likely to make nice purchases? Maybe, but even when I didn't buy, I invariably got courteous goodbye greetings. At every establishment where I showed up more than once, by the second or third visit they invariably began to greet me cordially as though I was an old friend. Maybe it was just that I treated them courteously, and this contradicted their stereotypes about wealthy, bossy, inconsiderate Americans. So when I turned out to be a regular guy, it was like I became a "special" regular guy.
It is true that Filipino culture has some distinctive class divisions, and the well-to-dos and Filipinos with higher professional standing (doctors, lawyers, professors, executives) may not always treat the average working stiff Filipino all that respectfully. But I got to mix with both the average stiffs and the well-to-dos and made a point to treat them all as I wanted to be treated. The average stiffs went out of their way to reach out to me and make me feel welcome. I've traveled through much of Europe, and through some of Asia and Central America, and I find Filipinos to be about the most hospitable people I've encountered.
Are there different prices sometimes for Westerners? Yes. Will taxi drivers take advantage of you because they think they can get away with it? Yes. Are there con artists looking to separate you from your money? Yes. But for every one of these there are hotel staff, waiters, and store clerks who are just as likely to give you better service. By the way, any of the yanks on the board visited Paris lately? Sorry, but the anti-white racism has not been my experience in the Philippines.
Skip
....I find Filipinos to be about the most hospitable people I've encountered.
Great post Skip and I agree with you 100%. Many filipinas are very curious about whites and want to become your friends. In some of the provinces I hang, where I was probably the only white guy for miles, I was treated very well in all situations. Treat them with respect, be humble and good things will happen!
Andre Cuipers
03-06-08, 20:08
A lot of items what is mentioned in the report "Why I love Filipinas the best, as lovers, playmates and best friends" is a result of two things.
1) The girls you met are poor poor girls and want to do everything to escape from this missery (the best they like is to go out of that country), Foreigners make them a millionair (for as long as you are with them or whem you are so nice to send them money which they will give directly to their family).
2) The local men are bad (drink, don't work, beat the wives) so every foreighner is nicer then they have now.
I met a lot of girls and most are not so nice. If you think on the price level of the PI then most girls "like" a lot of money. Second they will take possesion of you if you see them a few times (they will never let you be alone because they now that other pinay girls are all the same. Out for you (re money)). If you like to know the real pinay then speak to the rich girls in the PI or go once to Dubai. If they have money they don't need you and don't smile to you.
They are verry hard (they should be. They work hard for the money just to give to the no good bothers and single mother because father died of all the Red Horse beer or walked away to a younger Pinay). Insiders say they have a dual (two) heart. They just show the nice heart if they need you.
Last note on Pinay (oy). They live by day (there is no tomorow).
What that means you can imagine. But if you take them home and they have money you surely will divorse the most of them.
I like to fool arround with the girls. But it is so dissapointing that they don't care about the area they are living (all the dirt and polution of cars). In my view Cambodian (Khmer) girls are looking better then Pinay and Cambodian girls are even less demanding. While Thai are more demanding and more Ugly. But the Thai became so because to many foreighners throw arround with to many money. The same counts already in Manila (and Vietnam and Phnom Penh). Remember the average wage in the PI is ca 2$ after 12 hrs working. So it is in oure hands wether we can still have humble lovely Pinay in the future or that we spoil everything after a 2 week holiday.
Andre Cuipers, Netherlands
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A lot of items what is mentioned in the report "Why I love Filipinas the best, as lovers, playmates and best friends" is a result of two things.
1) The girls you met are poor poor girls and want to do everything to escape from this missery (the best they like is to go out of that country), Foreigners make them a millionair (for as long as you are with them or whem you are so nice to send them money which they will give directly to their family).
2) The local men are bad (drink, don't work, beat the wives) so every foreighner is nicer then they have now.
I met a lot of girls and most are not so nice. If you think on the price level of the PI then most girls "like" a lot of money. Second they will take possesion of you if you see them a few times (they will never let you be alone because they now that other pinay girls are all the same. Out for you (re money)). If you like to know the real pinay then speak to the rich girls in the PI or go once to Dubai. If they have money they don't need you and don't smile to you.
They are verry hard (they should be. They work hard for the money just to give to the no good bothers and single mother because father died of all the Red Horse beer or walked away to a younger Pinay). Insiders say they have a dual (two) heart. They just show the nice heart if they need you.
Last note on Pinay (oy). They live by day (there is no tomorow).
What that means you can imagine. But if you take them home and they have money you surely will divorse the most of them.
I like to fool arround with the girls. But it is so dissapointing that they don't care about the area they are living (all the dirt and polution of cars). In my view Cambodian (Khmer) girls are looking better then Pinay and Cambodian girls are even less demanding. While Thai are more demanding and more Ugly. But the Thai became so because to many foreighners throw arround with to many money. The same counts already in Manila (and Vietnam and Phnom Penh). Remember the average wage in the PI is ca 2$ after 12 hrs working. So it is in oure hands wether we can still have humble lovely Pinay in the future or that we spoil everything after a 2 week holiday.
Andre Cuipers, Netherlands
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Please allow me to preface my answer with the following statement; I have thoroughly read both your post and the original post (#1168) and I see merit in both. As I see it, the original post reflects a sunny day and your post portrays a cloudy day. JMHO. I would categorise the original poster as an optimist and you as a pessimist (absolutely no offence meant to you). I will define a pessimist as a person who thinks all women are bad. An optimist is one who hopes they are. Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the aeroplane and the pessimist the parachute.
You have expressed your belief that the girls who work in bars are desperate and want to leave the Philippines by marrying a foreigner. This is not correct and I would challenge you to substantiate your claim. I see you have take something out of context. Again, the optimist sees 95% employment and the pessimist sees 5% unemployment. When you criticise a girl for sending money "to the no good brothers and single mother...." you clearly do not understand the Philippine Culture. Most girls, not just bar girls, have a deep esteem for their families as typical of other Asian cultures. They completely believe that the family comes first, that is,the corner-stone of society is the family unit. In essence, the family establishes society's basic values. Therefore, it follows that Filipinas make excellent mothers/wives/friends and all the good things as expressed by the original poster.
"But if you take them home and they have money you surely will divorse most of them" Andre, you are distorting the facts. Many board members are happily married to Filippinas. Here you have exaggerated. (an exaggeration is the truth losing its temper). Again, the pessimist in you is showing through. A wise man told me once " you always borrow money from a pessimist as he doesn't expect to be paid back."
Andre, when I read your report I have to respect the fact that English is not your first language and I aways admire people who have the ability to speak more than one language fluently.
In closing (quote-desiderata).
"......therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul.
With all its drudgery,sham and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful. Strive to be happy."
Max Ehrman.
Sleepy Floyd
03-18-08, 11:31
How much would it cost to find a local Filipino to tutor my girlfriend in the provinces in English? Somewhere around 10 hours a week one on one tutoring.
How much would it cost to find a local Filipino to tutor my girlfriend in the provinces in English? Somewhere around 10 hours a week one on one tutoring.
Pennies.
We have a live in (24/7) Yaya for our home, 1200 pesos/month salary.
English tutor is gonna be cheap. Ask at the school local to her.
Cheers & all the best to you both.
AV
A lot of items what is mentioned in the report "Why I love Filipinas the best, as lovers, playmates and best friends" is a result of two things.
1) The girls you met are poor poor girls and want to do everything to escape from this missery (the best they like is to go out of that country), Foreigners make them a millionair (for as long as you are with them or whem you are so nice to send them money which they will give directly to their family).
2) The local men are bad (drink, don't work, beat the wives) so every foreighner is nicer then they have now.
I met a lot of girls and most are not so nice. If you think on the price level of the PI then most girls "like" a lot of money. Second they will take possesion of you if you see them a few times (they will never let you be alone because they now that other pinay girls are all the same. Out for you (re money)). If you like to know the real pinay then speak to the rich girls in the PI or go once to Dubai. If they have money they don't need you and don't smile to you.
They are verry hard (they should be. They work hard for the money just to give to the no good bothers and single mother because father died of all the Red Horse beer or walked away to a younger Pinay). Insiders say they have a dual (two) heart. They just show the nice heart if they need you.
Last note on Pinay (oy). They live by day (there is no tomorow).
What that means you can imagine. But if you take them home and they have money you surely will divorse the most of them.
I like to fool arround with the girls. But it is so dissapointing that they don't care about the area they are living (all the dirt and polution of cars). In my view Cambodian (Khmer) girls are looking better then Pinay and Cambodian girls are even less demanding. While Thai are more demanding and more Ugly. But the Thai became so because to many foreighners throw arround with to many money. The same counts already in Manila (and Vietnam and Phnom Penh). Remember the average wage in the PI is ca 2$ after 12 hrs working. So it is in oure hands wether we can still have humble lovely Pinay in the future or that we spoil everything after a 2 week holiday.
Andre Cuipers, Netherlands
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While this is painting with a wide brush I have seen with my own eyes what you describe. 1. I Agree. 2.Disagree. 3. Agree 100. 4. Agree. 5. Agree. 6. Can't call. Thanks for the post. Personal experience...Dubai, Japan and PI. Homeowner in Manila.
Good points made in your post Max. Andre words like "some", "many", "most", "often", "sometimes" will solve the problem of over-generalizations. As Max points out, over-generalizations can often be proven false.
For example:
The children of a broken family will become involved in crime.
The childeren of a broken family are MORE LIKELY to be involved in crime.
Unfortunately, SOME of the native English speakers here also TEND to overgeneralize.
X
Andre, when I read your report I have to respect the fact that English is not your first language and I aways admire people who have the ability to speak more than one language fluently.
Max Ehrman.
... You have expressed your belief that the girls who work in bars are desperate and want to leave the Philippines by marrying a foreigner. This is not correct and I would challenge you to substantiate your claim...
Wazza i'd like to chime in here & say that in my experience whilst some BG's are career hookers, most are not. Most are girl next door types who through circumstance find themselves doing that job.
Common life story from bar girls is : from a poor family, job of last resort either due to loss of breadwinner in family at early age (typically father) or got knocked up by pinoy guy (long gone) & shamed into taking this work to support the new mouth to feed.
If you don't think girls in this situation don't dream of falling in love with a nice rich foreigner and having a better life you're kidding yourself.
When bar girls look me in the eye & say 'this is not my dream job' I understand where she is coming from in this strictly catholic hypocritical country.
Amavida
Pocket Sushi
03-22-08, 05:18
Wazza i'd like to chime in here & say that in my experience whilst some BG's are career hookers, most are not. Most are girl next door types who through circumstance find themselves doing that job.
Common life story from bar girls is : from a poor family, job of last resort either due to loss of breadwinner in family at early age (typically father) or got knocked up by pinoy guy (long gone) & shamed into taking this work to support the new mouth to feed.
If you don't think girls in this situation don't dream of falling in love with a nice rich foreigner and having a better life you're kidding yourself.
When bar girls look me in the eye & say 'this is not my dream job' I understand where she is coming from in this strictly catholic hypocritical country.
AmavidaI have to agree based on my experience and 20+ visits to the PI. Most of these girls would not be working in the bars unless they absolutely had to due to various financial circumstances but nearly all of them are hoping to hit the jackpot and latch onto a foreigner. That's like winning the lotto there. Anyone who thinks otherwise is really living in denial. Why do you think Filipinas provide such an excellent GFE to someone they just met? It's because every guy that that hooks up with them is a potential winning lottery ticket and they will be on their best behavior and do anything they can to convince you to stay with them longer and (perish the thought) marry them. I'm not complaining or knocking this situation. In fact, it's due to this reality that I prefer the PI to Thailand for the excellent GFE. But for anyone to believe these girls don't have an ulterior motive for "falling in love" with an overweight guy 20 years her senior. Well I have some excellent beach front property in Angles City that I'd like to sell you.
GoodEnough
03-22-08, 09:38
Not only is Sushi's post entirely accurate, but let's not forget that these girls often also feed the entire family with their earnings, and send younger siblings to school.
Beijing Lover
03-22-08, 10:40
Well I have some excellent beach front property in Angles City that I'd like to sell you.
How much are you asking for your property?
Me and a couple of friends could be seriously interested in buying it!
Stephen
And so do some of the factory ladies toiling away on Mactan Island. I've had some early flights out of Cebu, in a taxi on the way to the airport and seen so many attractive young women on the streets, on their way to work.
I've been tempted to give up the bars and hang out at jeepney stops in Lapu lapu at 7am.
Inadvertently, I've had the pleasure of intimacy with two of these ladies thanks to online connection -- one was just a fk, the other, met papa and siblings, then a very romantic time at Alona beach....
Next visit I called her and her sis answered the phone, "Oh, she's in the US now." Of course I couldn't really complain, since I hadn't kept in touch.
Since the original poster, Sushi, was referring to bar girls, shall we assume the same thing about regular girls?
My feeling is that SOME of the regular girls are more conniving than the bar girls, but I guess it ends up the same...who do you trust?
X
Not only is Sushi's post entirely accurate, but let's not forget that these girls often also feed the entire family with their earnings, and send younger siblings to school.
Wazza i'd like to chime in here & say that in my experience whilst some BG's are career hookers, most are not. Most are girl next door types who through circumstance find themselves doing that job.
Common life story from bar girls is : from a poor family, job of last resort either due to loss of breadwinner in family at early age (typically father) or got knocked up by pinoy guy (long gone) & shamed into taking this work to support the new mouth to feed.
If you don't think girls in this situation don't dream of falling in love with a nice rich foreigner and having a better life you're kidding yourself.
When bar girls look me in the eye & say 'this is not my dream job' I understand where she is coming from in this strictly catholic hypocritical country.
AmavidaHi AV,
IMHO, with respect, there has been a flawed interpretation, on your part of my post (#1181). The original post (#1180) contained sweeping statements/generalizations where the poster stated " 1) The girls you met are poor,poor girls who wanted to do everything to escape from this misery (the best they like is to go out of the country), foreigners make them a millionair..."
FYI.
A general/sweeping statement or conclusion that is presented as a general truth but based on limited or incomplete evidence, then the process of verification is necessary to determine whether a generalization holds true for any given situation.
My point is that the original poster made a sweeping statement and I merely asked him to prove his claim. I did not say that bar girls did not want to marry foreigners.
You will see X MAN (#1185) has picked this up and has given a clear example of how to correctly write a statement without over-generalising.
Take care, travel safe.
..My feeling is that SOME of the regular girls are more conniving than the bar girls, but I guess it ends up the same...who do you trust?
X
Hi X,
Reality Check :
Even for the most down to earth & sensible of us, the fog of sexual desire & bula bula from a beautiful attractive young woman can be hard to resist.
In this country the 'prime directive' of all girls from poor family's who turn 18 is 'get a SUPPORTIVE husband'. In this Asian country many girls are willing put up with being a 'second wife' to a married man in order to get his support.
Whenever you need a reality check about a girls feelings for you, just invent a flimsy reason to need the password for their email account to 'help' them with a problem in their email. 99% of girls are so unsophisticated they will immediately give it. Take a look in their email account when she's not around, you will see that the beautiful loving girl who gazes into your eyes lovingly & tells you how gwapo you are, has been courting ANYTHING & EVERYTHING. Race, creed, fat, skinny, ugly, total loser with no personality - doesn't matter. Foreigner = $$$ in their mind.
i've done this many times & it sure brings you back to reality real quick from the reality distortion field these girls are good at creating.
BTW going to meet the parents is a cruel lie on the part of a foreigner, if you have no intention of being a fiance/husband don't do it. She is parading you in front of the folks as her 'catch' & loses face when you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off never to be seen again.
For somebody looking for a great life partner I could think of a lot worse than a good pinay wife but I advise extreme caution or you will get burned.
Cheers
Amavida
How much are you asking for your property?
Me and a couple of friends could be seriously interested in buying it!
Stephen
Count me in about that beach-front property in AC
I didn't know global warming is happening that fast
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Parading you in front of friends and family - yes, I got that impression. But if at her request on the first date, I don't see how this could be construed as a de-facto marriage proposal.
X
BTW going to meet the parents is a cruel lie on the part of a foreigner, if you have no intention of being a fiance/husband don't do it. She is parading you in front of the folks as her 'catch' & loses face when you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off never to be seen again.
Member #4214
03-27-08, 08:29
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Parading you in front of friends and family - yes, I got that impression. But if at her request on the first date, I don't see how this could be construed as a de-facto marriage proposal.
XIt is not always true. I've gotten to know a semi-pro and her modus operandi quite well. She uses these 'family introductions' in a very calculated way. This girl basically has a very short list of what she considers 'special friends' and in order to build loyalty w/ these guys during their PI visits she will bring them home to meet the family. Father, mother, brothers, sisters, the whole damn shibang. She's already had several mongerers there, parading through a farce of 'this is my boyfriend of the moment' so the family must be on to it. But it is a weird dynamic that doesn't need to be delved into here. Suffice to say the motivations/dynamic behind the family intro isn't always as straightforward as one might assume. It is highly likely the family is in on the deal and is aiding the girl's effort, whatever that may be. Mongerers should be careful not too assume to much. Even when it comes to the supposedly 'oblivious family.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Parading you in front of friends and family - yes, I got that impression. But if at her request on the first date, I don't see how this could be construed as a de-facto marriage proposal.
X
If you on a hit and run mission I think it is totally weak to meet the girls parents. In most Asian countries I have been to South Korea, Japan, Thailand and Taiwan etc... if a girl introduces you to the old folks its pretty serious business. I am not saying when a guy meets a lady he should be thinking of marriage right away but if you know your only goal is to screw then…
Cunning Stunt
03-27-08, 20:18
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Parading you in front of friends and family - yes, I got that impression. But if at her request on the first date, I don't see how this could be construed as a de-facto marriage proposal.
XWe all have our agenda's but tend to forget that they all have agendae of their own.
To illustrate the Pinay mind, I heard that GMA wanted to increase the international reputation of the Philippines by initiating a space programme. She initially wanted to send a Pinoy to the moon but when she heard that this had been done she said OK we will land one on the sun. When informed that this could be risky because of the high temperature she said OK no problem they could land at night!
Soapy Smith
03-28-08, 04:36
To illustrate the Pinay mind, I heard that GMA wanted to increase the international reputation of the Philippines by initiating a space programme. She initially wanted to send a Pinoy to the moon but when she heard that this had been done she said OK we will land one on the sun. When informed that this could be risky because of the high temperature she said OK no problem they could land at night!Please remember that she's an economist, not a physicist. Assuming that she was trained as a neo-liberal Western economist, a la Milton Friedman, then probably every intellectual exercize she ever engaged in was built around a hypothetical supply-demand equilibrium rather than any actual market place involving real humans.
There's a well-worn story involving a physicist, a geologist, and an economist who got stranded in the desert after a plane crash. The only food they had available was an unopened can of beans. The geologist suggested that perhaps a sharp rock could be used to puncture the can, but the other two thought too much food would still be left inside after making the puncture. The physicist suggested using the lens of a pair of their eyeglasses to burn a hole in the can. The others rejected it as too time consuming. Finally the economist raised his hand and opined, "assume a can opener. . ."
Sorry, I just couldn't resist when the topic of GMA as a Pinay exemplar was raised.
Houzi, seems to have the best answer here, which explains why I got laid rather quickly after meeting the elders.
D'etat's post stikes me as odd. Comparing Japan and S. Korea to Philippines is way off the mark. He is correct in that if a J or K lady invites you to meet the parents, it's gotten very serious. I never had that feeling in the Philippines.
I am single and available, so I have no guilty feelings on my side - I think D'etat posted about "hit and run"...
Gamahucher, that is absolutely hilarious.
AV, you can hate me all you want, but I think your info is suspect. You should get out of AC more often. I've met many ladies and her parents and nothing has come of it. I've never gotten bad vibes from these ladies afterward. Filipinos are group oriented and family oriented, and it's natural that they introduce you to the clan.
BTW, there was one lady, I've told her story here, posted her pussy pics at ISG, met her family, fkd her a few hours later, she tried to scam me two weeks later, now is married in USA.
I got some really hot pics of four differnet gals that are now ....um ....married. So, if you see your wife's pic here after going back in the files,,,I'm really sorry. I only did her once and she scremed out some other guys name at the moment of ectasy...it was your name! Really!
X
It is not always true. I've gotten to know a semi-pro and her modus operandi quite well. She uses these 'family introductions' in a very calculated way. This girl basically has a very short list of what she considers 'special friends' and in order to build loyalty w/ these guys during their PI visits she will bring them home to meet the family. Father, mother, brothers, sisters, the whole damn shibang. She's already had several mongerers there, parading through a farce of 'this is my boyfriend of the moment' so the family must be on to it. But it is a weird dynamic that doesn't need to be delved into here. Suffice to say the motivations/dynamic behind the family intro isn't always as straightforward as one might assume. It is highly likely the family is in on the deal and is aiding the girl's effort, whatever that may be. Mongerers should be careful not too assume to much. Even when it comes to the supposedly 'oblivious family.
Houzi, seems to have the best answer here, which explains why I got laid rather quickly after meeting the elders.
D'etat's post stikes me as odd. Comparing Japan and S. Korea to Philippines is way off the mark. He is correct in that if a J or K lady invites you to meet the parents, it's gotten very serious. I never had that feeling in the Philippines.
I am single and available, so I have no guilty feelings on my side - I think D'etat posted about "hit and run"...
Gamahucher, that is absolutely hilarious.
AV, you can hate me all you want, but I think your info is suspect. You should get out of AC more often. I've met many ladies and her parents and nothing has come of it. I've never gotten bad vibes from these ladies afterward. Filipinos are group oriented and family oriented, and it's natural that they introduce you to the clan.
BTW, there was one lady, I've told her story here, posted her pussy pics at ISG, met her family, fkd her a few hours later, she tried to scam me two weeks later, now is married in USA.
I got some really hot pics of four differnet gals that are now ....um ....married. So, if you see your wife's pic here after going back in the files,,,I'm really sorry. I only did her once and she scremed out some other guys name at the moment of ectasy...it was your name! Really!
X
You want to talk about odd? What’s odd is the way you are scrutinizing and refuting every damn thing AV is posting. Second thing is you are right. You can't compare Japan, Korea and the Philippines. Lived over a year in the first two countries. I said in Asia most girls if they ask you to meet the parents there is some reason behind it. Whether it’s saintly or sinister there is a reason. Nine times out of ten the ulterior motive is they are serious about you.
Great work X the world is proud of you for not having guilty feelings. What’s your next trick? Nothing wrong with going in for the one nighter or the monthly fling but how a man does it in my opinion is what it is all about. Also great way to end your post real sophomoric. Don't talk like you are Mr. Playboy either you PMed me a couple of months ago asking how to meet Filipinas in Japan because you were not having any luck :(
To quote Jay-Z the greatest hip hop mogul of our time.
“Don’t let me expose you to those people who don’t know you.”
Hi X, Im laid up with an illness so I have an unusual amount of time to browse the forums this week.
...I am single and available, so I have no guilty feelings on my side...
Everything about your posts seems to be a justification of your behavior. Thats your business X.
AV, you can hate me all you want
Nobody hates anybody here, we are just here to discuss our hobby & matters relating to it. How each person behaves on this board is a measure of the person.
I think your info is suspect
I dont care :D
FYI I live here with a wife & kid (boy). I have a 'second wife' & kid (girl) and several girl friends. In addition I bonk bar girls & Internet girls from time to time. Rather than blow into town, copulate frantically with anything & then blow out of town I have plenty of great sex with really nice girls/women regularly.
You should get out of AC more often
Thanks so much for your advice X.
FYI I live at the other end of the Phils, I fly to Manila on business & so I monger there & AC out of convenience. Occasionally i sneak off to other destinations but not as often as I'd like.
I've met many ladies and her parents and nothing has come of it. I've never gotten bad vibes from these ladies afterward
You're mongering in an Asian culture X, a lot goes on under the surface.
Filipinos are group oriented and family oriented, and it's natural that they introduce you to the clan.
True X, but a little cultural sensitivity wouldn't go astray. Like D'etat said, going to meet the parents is serious business. the folks are often very tolerant, but I can assure you she does lose face when you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. If you just want fun its easy to have a reason not to meet the folks. The girl will understand...
Take Care X
AV
AV, a "justification of my behavior". What are you referring too? Maybe, the fact that I sometimes disagree with you? If that is what you are referring to, please find something tangible to argue, rather than letting fly with a bunch of unrelated comments. I have to say you and D'etat have similar ways of dealing with criticism.
Our first spat came when you were bragging about doing virgins, and now you tell us you are a married sllutt on top of everything else. (I have no problem with the "sllutt" part, btw). Ironically, you and D'etat now criticize me for not feeling guilty for having sex with single women who have asked me to meet the family.
X
Cunning Stunt
03-30-08, 11:13
Still think handbags at dawn outside LA Cafe would be the solution :)
Seriously all the forums have at least one devil's advocate or self appointed old hand/expert (unless its the Thai forum which has loads) and provided they are useful contributors who cares and in fact they can sometimes spice things up. I think X man would be the first to admit that he is can be a prickly ass at times but his contribution is solid so it being the nature of the beast we have to endure the contrary aspects of his nature. One X Man or Amavida is worth a hundred useless lurkers who only emerge from under their logs at infrequent intervals to ask stupid, pointless questions which a minutes use of the search facility would have answered.
Hope you get better soon AV. Regards GH
D'etat,
My "odd" comment was about what you wrote - not you. You seem kind of sensitive about the "odd" word, so I’m sorry for that.
As for my sophmoric humor at the end, I agree. It wasn't funny, and it wasn't appropriate. I'm sorry if anyone was offended.
I thought AV's comment about “meeting family” was very interesting simply because I know, and D’etat, knows, things work differently in East Asia. I asked others to post because I was hoping to learn from others. It's unfortunate that a very complicated idea of culture has resulted in tit for tat angry messages at ISG.
D'etat seems to indicate I should feel guilty about having sex with women? I've had pleanty of long term relationships with Filipinas, so you're wrong to assume I'm there just for a qk fk. BTW, have you read AV's latest message?
Also, I never claimed to be a playboy. What's up with that? Why are you making things up? SHould I avoid talking about sex on the ISG board? I thought that was the whole purpose?
As for Filipinas in Japan, my memory was asking you how YOU met Filipinas in Japan. I think the ISG creed is meeting and sexing women....it seems kind of ODD that you would criticize me here, for a private message I sent which simply was in accord with the ISG
And what do you mean by the quote? Are you threatening to reveal personal information about me? That is about as low as you can go on the ISG board.
X
You want to talk about odd? What’s odd is the way you are scrutinizing and refuting every damn thing AV is posting. Second thing is you are right. You can't compare Japan, Korea and the Philippines. Lived over a year in the first two countries. I said in Asia most girls if they ask you to meet the parents there is some reason behind it. Whether it’s saintly or sinister there is a reason. Nine times out of ten the ulterior motive is they are serious about you.
Great work X the world is proud of you for not having guilty feelings. What’s your next trick? Nothing wrong with going in for the one nighter or the monthly fling but how a man does it in my opinion is what it is all about. Also great way to end your post real sophomoric. Don't talk like you are Mr. Playboy either you PMed me a couple of months ago asking how to meet Filipinas in Japan because you were not having any luck :(
To quote Jay-Z the greatest hip hop mogul of our time.
“Don’t let me expose you to those people who don’t know you.”
In case anyone has forgotten, some ISG members have proclaimed that you should not waste time meeting women who bring along friends, or relatives. Others, including me, have suggested that this could be quite an adventure, and also seems to result in a very happy conclusion.See the chat/penpal thread for some of these posts.
So, does the foreigner meet the family, charm them in a devious way, take advantage of the situation, and then violate the daughter in most kinky ways....possibly taking her virginity? (see av posts for more about virginity)
Or is this just Fil culture...? I spent the night with a CB friend (who lied and claimed she was a virgin) and then the next morning invited me up to the montain where I met papa, and was rather suprised when she said, "He said I could accompany". And so she did. She was the breadwinner of the family (Mactan factory) and my feeling, was she called the shots but was showing respect for her family.
So, I'm posting reality. I realize it is a small dose of reality, but that is my experience. AV can live in Philippines all he wants, but if he doesn't tell us something useful, what's the point?
I somehow think he as some good stuff to add.
D'etat on the other hand would have to do dogenaza to get my respect anytime soon.
You do know what that means, don't you mr smarty pants?
X
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Parading you in front of friends and family - yes, I got that impression. But if at her request on the first date, I don't see how this could be construed as a de-facto marriage proposal.
X
Bilbo Baggins
03-31-08, 02:29
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Parading you in front of friends and family - yes, I got that impression. But if at her request on the first date, I don't see how this could be construed as a de-facto marriage proposal.
X
When I went back to Davao City I joined up with Cherry Blossoms in order to meet more Davao girls faster I started chatting with this pretty 20 year old and tried to get her to come to me in Davao, we couldnt work it out the distances and time frames were too wrong anyway this is what she told me in an email.
u maybe righ in saying u are worry that ur too old for me. but i wantu to know meeting and making friends with older person means marrying them immediately
I am too scared to go meet this lady even if she is pretty her dad is a policeman and an older filipina told me maybe I might get a shotgun wedding if I go to visit her.
I belong to a forum based in Cebu and the folks there advise not to go meet the family of the girl unless I was serious. The anecdotal evidence seems to be both ways. Sorry X Man this may be one of those unsolved mysteries peculiar to the Philippines?
I was talking with a filipina friend and she said out of the blue such and such a person didnt show respect to her. I was puzzled by this because I never saw any rudeness directed to her from this person, investigating I found out this person did something without asking her like somehow this activity was in my friends domain and she should show respect by asking her first.
Maybe its like that X Man as you suggest a courtesy thing before you can do the deed.
Oh yeah I'd be happy to meet any of the girl's friends who come along I have this sweet beautiful girl waiting for me again in the Philippines who I chatted with last night and she is hot to meet up with me again. She was a background girl until I noticed her and edged out the foreground girls. I would never have met her if her friends had not brought her along.
Very interesting post BB. I wonder if older guy = marriage prospect exists because they think we are desperate.
I've chatted with a few women -- and I suppose I was being a bit of a prickly ass -- and was really surprised when they then laid into me with the "dirty old man" insult. I'm pretty low-key about sexual things in chat, so didn't deserve the "dirty" part. Have to admit though that I'm much older than them...and of course that I'm a prickly ass. Anyway, it struck me as odd that they are their chatting with older guys, asking "how's your search", but inside thinking "dirty old man".
Back to meeting the parents or guardian. (met a girl in Cebu who invited me to meet her aunt in Bohol who happens to be her guardian. I didn't due to lack of time, but she is one hell of a charmer.)
If you do meet the family, you are naturally ratcheting up the "relationship" and therefore should proceed with caution. What level you are ratcheting up to is debatable, and probably tends to depend a lot on circumstances. Father is a policeman?.....give it a miss.
Let me suggest two opposite scenarios:
1) Girl is very young and/or innocent, possibly cherry, lives in rural or otherwise isolated area that tends to be conservative and/or religious and doesn't see many foreigners. You tell a few fibs regarding you "availability" and "intentions". You meet the family, seduce her for a qk fk, and then dump her - maybe walking about town with a different girl on your arm the next day. This is stupid, immoral, and dangerous in my opinion.
2) Girl is 24+, some experience with men, and shows some degree of maturity or independence -- having a job, or even being the family breadwinner would count. You are generally honest with her, like her, feel some affection for her. You meet the family, seduce her (or vice versa), likely spend a few days with her, then get on an airplane and leave. This just strikes me as acceptable. Yes, she might be in love and there might be some drama, but that's how relationships work.
I've had women ask me if we were in a long term relationship. My truthful answer is "I really like you, but I have to get on a plane, so of course this isn't long term." They seem to have accepted that. Now, if you live in Philippines things will get more complicated. A while back there was an interesting discussion about white lies, and avoiding unfortunate truths...but this message is already getting too long.
To sum up, don't treat a regular girl like p4p, and don't take advantage of a naive girl.
Now, does meeting the family set those wedding bells to ringing. I guess one way to find out is start asking some of your Filipina friends for their opinion. Don't listen to some prickly ass.
X
GoodEnough
03-31-08, 04:05
For whatever it's worth, having lived here for about five years, my strong recommendation is never to meet the family unless you're going to get married. There's little upside to the "adventure" other than being able to post about it for some of the less clued in who lurk herein. Really, what is the point of meeting the family? For them, it's easy. Size up the ATM and try to assess the potential reward for family members. See if you're worth their daughter's time. Doe you though, where's the upside potential in all of this?
GE, for me personally, some of my most memorable adventures were when I got on a bus or van and went out into the countryside to meet family. I like getting out of the city and I like seeing how ordinary people live, I like meeting new people. I went to places and met people and had experiences I would never have had if I'd not accepted their kind offers.
I've invariably gotten laid after meeting the family, so that could be an upside as well, although I never thought about it much until recently - and that wasn't some devious strategy on my part. This would also seem to lend credence to AV's idea that meeting the family suggests a serious relationship heading toward marriage. I'm still not convinced of that, but it will be on my mind next time I get an invitation.
On the other hand, when ladies suggest bringing Mom to the first meeting, I draw the line. I don't see any advantage to that. Hmm, maybe I sound contradictory on that point.
BTW, the little cutey that joined me at your party....I met her family. Daddy cut open a few coconuts for me with his machete.
I might up and run next time I see someone's Daddy carrying a machete!
X
For whatever it's worth, having lived here for about five years, my strong recommendation is never to meet the family unless you're going to get married. There's little upside to the "adventure" other than being able to post about it for some of the less clued in who lurk herein. Really, what is the point of meeting the family? For them, it's easy. Size up the ATM and try to assess the potential reward for family members. See if you're worth their daughter's time. Doe you though, where's the upside potential in all of this?
Member #4214
03-31-08, 06:36
BTW, the little cutey that joined me at your party....I met her family. Daddy cut open a few coconuts for me with his machete.
I might up and run next time I see someone's Daddy carrying a machete!
XWell, this had me laughing. Sounds like the US equivalent of Daddy cleaning his shotgun when you come to pick up his daughter for prom!
D'etat on the other hand would have to do dogenaza to get my respect anytime soon.
You do know what that means, don't you mr smarty pants?
X
I grew up destitute in one of the most dangerous cities in America. Now in my late 20s I have lived in Japan and South Korea. I own a nice house in an upscale suburb of Metro Manila. I wear nice jewelry and can afford to travel at my leisure any where on this green earth and party like rock star. X I am self made.
I don’t know what possessed you to think your respect means something to me. I respect myself X. I also didn’t come here looking for respect or to make friends. I can do what you do X travel to impoverished nations and use my new found wealth to seduce the native women of the land but what’s the fucking point. Why I am living there in PI you ask? Because a lady came into my life that I met while vacationing in Japan. PI happened to be her native country.
I am a monger. If was not I wouldn’t be on this board. I always tell women up front what to expect and that’s that. They can take it or leave it. I don’t bend or fold. I don’t look down on anyone for the way they live and I don’t tell people how to live. I only offer a opinion.
For whatever it's worth, having lived here for about five years, my strong recommendation is never to meet the family unless you're going to get married. There's little upside to the "adventure" other than being able to post about it for some of the less clued in who lurk herein. Really, what is the point of meeting the family? For them, it's easy. Size up the ATM and try to assess the potential reward for family members. See if you're worth their daughter's time. Doe you though, where's the upside potential in all of this?
Now here is a man I have grown to respect over the last three years I have been a member of this fine forum.
I said it once I am saying it again. If all you is looking for is a screw and thats it to meet the family is bullshit. But hey to each its own.
Thank you for the biography. Most people I know are "self made", and many people I know who live in Asia don't really understand the place. I have to suspect you are one of them since you make a sweeping generalization that because something is true in Japan, it must be true in Philippines. If that isn't what you meant, then I apologize for my misunderstanding.
I agree with what is quoted below as I've said in an earlier post.
I said it once I am saying it again. If all you is looking for is a screw and thats it to meet the family is bullshit. But hey to each its own.
Japan and Philippines are both island countries in Asia, and both are smaller than the state of California. Anyway, just some interesting stats I gathered (mostly) from the CIA fact book.
Population
J: 127 mil
P: 91 mil
Median age
J: 43.5
P: 22.7
Fertility rate:
J: 1.3
P: 3.05
Life span
J: 82
P: 71
Religion
J: Buddhist/Shintoist, most people practice both, few have deep religious feelings
P: Roman Catholic 80% - many are deeply religious
Literacy
J: 99%
P: 92%
Ethinic group
J: 99 % homogenous Japanese culture
P: 28 % Tagalog, 13 % Cebuano, and many others
GDP per capita
J: 33,800 / 2nd largest economy in the world
P: 3,300 / one of the poorest countries in the world
Below poverty line
J: ?
P: 30%
Fifty Fifty
03-31-08, 14:48
Thank you for the biography. Most people I know are "self made", and many people I know who live in Asia don't really understand the place. I have to suspect you are one of them since you make a sweeping generalization that because something is true in Japan, it must be true in Philippines. If that isn't what you meant, then I apologize for my misunderstanding. blah blah blah
Refute, then apologise, now where have we heard that before ???
Having drawn the line with AV it must be time for Mr X to start on another member, all I ask is, what value is any of this for the average mongering reader??
Time to get back on track guys and give the arguments a rest, if you can ??
Thanks for the lectures, but..........
F/Fifty
PS Dont even bother having a go at me, I simply do not care anymore.
There are lot of pitfalls in meeting the family.
1. It is hard to refuse your lovely girls request to meet her family. But the truth is the whole family has heard of you and it is some kind of credit for the girl who has bagged a foreigner and she wants to prove to the family that you are real and you love her.
2. The family will size you up as a ATM strength. In reality not all the families are looking for money from you. some of them are really well off considering they own land and house and have been making a good living even before you came into their picture. Unfortunately Philippino people have large families and they cannot afford to send all to college to study. Even if they do there are very few job opportunities. Their main concern is if you take care of the girl they need not support her and can concentrate on other children.
3. Girls know very well that if they screw your brains out you are more likely to keep friendship and support her. Platonic relationships do not last long. Besides it is a physical, hormonal thing. If she does not have sex with you she is doing with somebody else who do not give anything. Very few cherry girls last long if they try to hold out for long.
4. Curiosity got the better of you as a cultural thing. Get a hold on yourself. It is not all that interesting to see how the people live. Watch National Geographic to get the feel. The more detached you are from the family the better for you even if you marry her.
5. If you are into feeling sorry for the people , donate to your charity. If you start donating to the family there will be no end.
6. Finally dating normal girls is good. It is a good dating experience like any other. You never know. Maybe you will marry her and have a good loving relationship. I believe very few people will actually seduce them and run away with no interest in helping the girls atleast a short time. Being honest will be good in this situation so that the girl will know what to expect and will be ready for the eventuality.
In 2 trips to the PI, I only met one girls family. Only time I did not get laid and just wanted to get the hell out of there. I think she was smart enough to assume I did not fly all the way over there to spend 4 days with her then return home.
A few months ago on her friendster it has her married with pictures of her and her new "gwapo". White guy. Lot's of pictures of her and the new sucker. Slowly his picture has been moved toward the back of her picture sets. And she is back on CB looking for some dude to support her family.
My adivce is also don't meet the family unless you are really into the girl. The family members will be showing up wherever you and the girl are at. And you will be picking up the bills.
Well, Sammon, I have to keep up my reputation as a caustic prickly ass who will disagree with anyone and everything, I never once suspected that the family thought of me as an ATM. After all, they don't have ATM's up on the mountains.
Try to be more logical in your next post!
But I'm sorry if I misundertood your post (I've been "apologizing continually" according to the fan mail in my PM box).
X
PS, I don't watch National Geographic. Should I rent the video?
There are lot of pitfalls in meeting the family.
1. It is hard to refuse your lovely girls request to meet her family. But the truth is the whole family has heard of you and it is some kind of credit for the girl who has bagged a foreigner and she wants to prove to the family that you are real and you love her.
2. The family will size you up as a ATM strength. In reality not all the families are looking for money from you. some of them are really well off considering they own land and house and have been making a good living even before you came into their picture. Unfortunately Philippino people have large families and they cannot afford to send all to college to study. Even if they do there are very few job opportunities. Their main concern is if you take care of the girl they need not support her and can concentrate on other children.
3. Girls know very well that if they screw your brains out you are more likely to keep friendship and support her. Platonic relationships do not last long. Besides it is a physical, hormonal thing. If she does not have sex with you she is doing with somebody else who do not give anything. Very few cherry girls last long if they try to hold out for long.
4. Curiosity got the better of you as a cultural thing. Get a hold on yourself. It is not all that interesting to see how the people live. Watch National Geographic to get the feel. The more detached you are from the family the better for you even if you marry her.
5. If you are into feeling sorry for the people , donate to your charity. If you start donating to the family there will be no end.
6. Finally dating normal girls is good. It is a good dating experience like any other. You never know. Maybe you will marry her and have a good loving relationship. I believe very few people will actually seduce them and run away with no interest in helping the girls atleast a short time. Being honest will be good in this situation so that the girl will know what to expect and will be ready for the eventuality.
I think the consensus from most of the posters was that the negative aspects of meeting a woman's parents outweigh the advantages. Not everyone touched on the specific issue of whether meeting parents might create some expectation of marriage. I asked a few Filipinas and so far rec'd only one answer. This one from a college educated lady, early 20s, in Visayan region, did not grow up in a big city, but lives there now. I didn't meet her parents (but was invited) and I didn't get past first base. Here is her answer:
****
Well, it's my pleasure to answer your question...
Meeting Filipina's parents doesn't mean that you want to marry that girl maybe unless you had relationship (more than just a friend) towards that person and both of you decided already to got married...But it cannot be denied that before ,if a guy meets the parents of the one he loves,obviously he want to marry that girl...I think that was around 1970s-1980s..But it did not practiced as of now...We're modern now,so it's already accepted.
In fact we had a more Friends,boy or girl, welcome to our family..Where did you get that information?
So, your scared to meet my family because of that information???hehehehehe
Your cute...thank you for the question...
***
Hey, I got a compliment out of that question, so I will thank AV for bringing up such an interesting topic in the first place! Ha, ha, AV, I bet you never thought you would get a compliment from ME!
X
Dear X man,
This is a forum for opinions and discussions. I am not offended by yours or anybody's reply.
PS. Rent a video so that you can watch with the whole family.- lol.
You guys are amusing in your way of thinking. Setting ground rules for meeting family members? In my view it can be a privilege to meet relatives and friends of the women you pursue. They can only open up doors leading to having great experiences!
Why visit the Philippines? To stay in 4 or 5 star hotels rubbing elbows with other tourists? Attending weddings, cockfights, discos, parties, etc. can be very rewarding and prosperous. When I visit, I always try to meet as many people as possible.
Sounds like some of you are meeting the wrong kind of people. You need to circulate and see what comes up!
GoodEnough
04-04-08, 12:41
Going to cock fights, meeting the parents, going to the local eateries...I guess it's all an adventure if you're on vacation. It's different though, if you actually live here, work here, make your home here. Then, the dirt, the poverty and other generally down market stuff is just something unpleasant and to be avoided. You probably wouldn't hang out at cock fights or shacks in your home country or at least I sure wouldn't and it's for the same reasons that I don't go looking for them here.
GE
Have any of you guys ever seen a Filipina with a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor foreigner? I always see some of the girls dating Filipino guys who have nothing. Is it all about the dough and visas when a foreigner is involved? I met my ole lady in Japan she was doing well when I met her. Working two jobs but still financially stable.
Also why do the foreigners seem to pick the low of the lot when it comes to choosing Asian women? Filipinos guys seem to know what to look for. While western guys get stuck with the gold diggers and visa runners.
I asked A Filipina about the whole meeting the parent’s thing. One close to me. My ole girl. She said if the girl pushes the guy then not a problem. But if he asks to then it’s something different. She said now and days some people do it but she doesn’t agree with it. She said the parents will expect more from the relationship (other then a wham bam thank you mam) if a guy is brought before them.
Keep in mind I am asking questions not proclaiming
Beware Of Dog
Chocha Monger
04-05-08, 01:37
Have any of you guys ever seen a Filipina with a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor foreigner? I always see some of the girls dating Filipino guys who have nothing. Is it all about the dough and visas when a foreigner is involved? I met my ole lady in Japan she was doing well when I met her. Working two jobs but still financially stable.
Also why do the foreigners seem to pick the low of the lot when it comes to choosing Asian women? Filipinos guys seem to know what to look for. While western guys get stuck with the gold diggers and visa runners.
I've never seen Filipinas with [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor foreigners. Most of them seem to choose men who can provide a reasonably comfortable life-style.
Yes. It is always about dough, visas or some other resource, status or privilege. This is not limited to Filipinas. Women worldwide simply don't fuck for "free", they never have and never will so don't let it upset you.
Perhaps, it is the Asian women doing the choosing not the Western men. A woman who has a lot to offer or who is considered a prize catch may not need to turn to Western men to get what she wants since desirable local suitors may be abundant.
hi d etat! since you have asked for opinions & im enjoying reading all these opinions i contribute from my perspective.
have any of you guys ever seen a filipina with a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor foreigner? i always see some of the girls dating filipino guys who have nothing.
yes i have, usually the poorer homely looking girls have lower standards. they will hitch their wagon to guys that, to our western eyes, are bottom of the barrel. our family has business's back home in australia. some of the low paid uneducated manual workers in our employment there have somehow scraped together an airfare & arrived here to tell lies & inseminate girls who have no ability to support a child. some of these guys are the dirtiest grubs with no personality but still they find victims..
on the other hand a mate of mine who was a pilot & retired here on a very handsome nest egg. he managed to blow the lot on [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), women & idiotic 'business deals'. he eventually lost everything & arrived on my doorstep begging for a fare home so her could go back to australia & live off friends & relatives until he & his wife had enough money to eek out an existance on social security beneifts. throughout out all this, his long suffering pinay gf/wife stuck with him. she is still with him to this day back home in oz, going to work to support her 'retired' husband. i asked his wife "what happened?" she said to me "every day was a fiesta.."
is it all about the dough and visas when a foreigner is involved? i met my ole lady in japan she was doing well when i met her. working two jobs but still financially stable.
i think in the majority of cases yes it is primarily about a dream to escape poverty. many girls in my family & circle of friends marry & live happy lives with pinoy men. those that hook up with foreigners have generally already been with pinoy men & for some reason decided to cast their net further afield.
as a self made man im sure that you know that the law of the jungle applies here as everywhere else.
also why do the foreigners seem to pick the low of the lot when it comes to choosing asian women? filipinos guys seem to know what to look for. while western guys get stuck with the gold diggers and visa runners.
westerners that come here are either sent/come here on business or for vacation. the majority are on vacation. of those, most are sex tourists, lets face it. these guys arrive with a box of viagra in one hand & a fist full of dollars in the other. they usually have little or no understanding of the culture. many fall for the gfe of the women here and end up towing around girls that you & i may consider, less than ideal...
i asked a filipina about the whole meeting the parent’s thing... she said the parents will expect more from the relationship (other then a wham bam thank you mam) if a guy is brought before them.
i agree with what your gf/partner said d'etat, im no expert but what she said is my reading of the culture here. i think ge & sammon & bob bowie (amongst others) made very good points in the negative on this debate cautioning against this practice of acting like a fiance & then pissing off. xman & mattrick (amongst others) made their points (which they are fully entitiled to) along the lines that they dont really care & enjoy the 'adventure' anyway.
its good to have this debate so that newbie lurkers can maybe get an idea of what they are walking into if they care to know..
cheers
av
So, you see [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor foreigners with Filipinas and you see [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor Filipinas with foreigners?
I'm not sure what your definition of "[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor" is, and I'm not sure what your question is.
My answer to the question which I imagine you asked...yea, it's a strange world.
X
Have any of you guys ever seen a Filipina with a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor foreigner? I always see some of the girls dating Filipino guys who have nothing. Is it all about the dough and visas when a foreigner is involved? I met my ole lady in Japan she was doing well when I met her. Working two jobs but still financially stable.
Also why do the foreigners seem to pick the low of the lot when it comes to choosing Asian women? Filipinos guys seem to know what to look for. While western guys get stuck with the gold diggers and visa runners.
I asked A Filipina about the whole meeting the parent’s thing. One close to me. My ole girl. She said if the girl pushes the guy then not a problem. But if he asks to then it’s something different. She said now and days some people do it but she doesn’t agree with it. She said the parents will expect more from the relationship (other then a wham bam thank you mam) if a guy is brought before them.
Keep in mind I am asking questions not proclaiming
Beware Of Dog
AV, you are an enigma in your own mind.
X
I agree with what your GF/Partner said D'etat, Im no expert but what she said is my reading of the culture here. I think GE & Sammon & Bob Bowie (amongst others) made very good points in the negative on this debate cautioning against this practice of acting like a fiance & then pissing off. Xman & Mattrick (amongst others) made their points (which they are fully entitiled to) along the lines that they dont really care & enjoy the 'adventure' anyway.
Its good to have this debate so that newbie lurkers can maybe get an idea of what they are walking into if they care to know..
Cheers
AV
So, you see [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor foreigners with Filipinas and you see [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor Filipinas with foreigners?
I'm not sure what your definition of "[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor" is, and I'm not sure what your question is.
My answer to the question which I imagine you asked...yea, it's a strange world.
X
Man what is wrong with you?
I said I never see Filipinas with [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor foreigners and if you don't know what [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor is you are a lost cause. Dude are you an American? If not then I understand maybe you not knowing what [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor means.
It means to be destitute or poor or have an average income dude.
Bilbo Baggins
04-06-08, 09:34
It means to be destitute or poor or have an average income dude.Damn I have a below average income I can't even make it to being [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor. Maybe some girls like some guys for qualities other than money but in the Philippines I've still not tested that out next trip I'm not going to spend any money and see if they still love me.
Man what is wrong with you?
I said I never see Filipinas with [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor foreigners and if you don't know what [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor is you are a lost cause. Dude are you an American? If not then I understand maybe you not knowing what [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor means.
It means to be destitute or poor or have an average income dude.
Hi D,
I see myself as of average income, but do not consider myself as "[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor".
Girls don't see you as [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor they see you as able to travel thus having money. They have no understanding of how much money you really have.
I do not understand the basis of this discussion.
In your own country, do you see well dressed women associating with deadbeats?
No.
Do you see poor women doing their best to hitch up with rich men?
Yes.
What is the difference?
As I see it, the difference is that in their own country, women can pretty quickly susss out the level of wealth of the man. This is not as easy as with a filipina in the Philippines with a poor falang, because the falang can afford to live relatively well and convey the impression of wealth for a period of time.
The pinay will try to get to western countries because these countries have a welfare system which will guarantee a standard of living which as far better than she can expect in the Philippines.
Also, our level or regulation, consumer protection, and law and order guarantees that she will be safe from predators.
What is the discussion?
Gangles
GoodEnough
04-06-08, 10:16
Please do not delude yourselves that Filipinas, at least those from the cities, cannot figure out quickly, and reasonably accurately, the level of wealth of foreign men. There are lots of cues on which they are very quick to pick up: the type of restaurant to which you take them; the type of gifts you provide for them; your clothes and your clothing style; the types of drinks you order; the hotel in which you stay. All of these are, to them, reasonable predictors of degrees of wealth. Whether they accept you/stay with you depends on part, on whether they find that level acceptable.
The guys who don't have, or at least don't want to spend any money are not going to attract, for the most part, decently-educated, reasonably middle class Filipinas, at least not for long. They will have no trouble attracting poor girls, mostly uneducated, from the provinces, to whom even minimal luxuries represent reasonable improvements in their living standards. Here in Davao at least, if you're staying at the Marco Polo or one of the other good hotels, and you're taking the ladies to eat in European restaurants, you're going to have a much better success ratio with middle class women. This may not be an absolute law, but it's certainly true in most cases.
GE
Having lived and worked in Manila for over 7 years I can tell everyone here that GE is very tuned in and experienced in matters relating to The Republic of the Philippines in general and Filipinas specifically.
Take heed gentlemen.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=727905&postcount=21
ES
Dating in PHI is no different than in western countries. The girl's family always wants to know about her social life.
All the girls hope and pray that they will meet perfect partner and live happily ever after. Even in here girls size up the catch in terms of dollars. This is where the term ' Gold digger' comes.
Having said that we here will never imagine and this includes the girl you are dating supporting her parents and siblings even if they are poor in comparison. This is mainly because of the social welfare we have. Very few people do not have the basic necessities.
In PHI it is a whole different story. Almost all the normal and bar girls I have talked to say they support their family. It is very disconcerting to a newbie who meets a girl here.
The perception of the relationship in Phi is different also. While in western countries it is normal to date for a long time and separate in PHI the girl does feel being used and detachment tend to scar her future relationships. While the bar girls have understood the situation, the normal girls have not. The moment you show interest in them the wedding bell starts to ring. I have met some only couple of weeks and they are already starting to ask about permanent relationship and meeting the family. This includes the girls who are educated and have decent income.
We all know in reality PHI boys love them and leave them. It puzzles me why they think a foreigner is any different. Maybe they are trying to pull on our heart strings. Even when I tell them it is nearly impossible for me to stay in PHI long time and I am not willing to take her to my country , they do not seem to care.
Damn I have a below average income I can't even make it to being [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor. Maybe some girls like some guys for qualities other than money but in the Philippines I've still not tested that out next trip I'm not going to spend any money and see if they still love me.
Hi D,
I see myself as of average income, but do not consider myself as "[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor".
Girls don't see you as [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor they see you as able to travel thus having money. They have no understanding of how much money you really have.
Guys it was not meant to be an offense. It was just something I thought about from time to time. Being around Filipinos in Dubai, Japan Korea and PI. I am not rich by no means. All people like money. PI is no different. What I meant by [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor is below average pay with no visa involved. Oh well enough on this. Next topic?
Actually, "[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor" can mean 1) poor or 2) below standard
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)+poor
I assumed D'etat meant the second meaning when he wrote: "Have any of you guys ever seen a Filipina with a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor foreigner? (SNIP) why do the foreigners seem to pick the low of the lot when it comes to choosing Asian women? "
Also, in the intial posting D'etat DID NOT write "I never see Filipinas with [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor foreigners". He asked the question, but he didn't answer it himself. I presumed he were referring to HOT Filipinas with scraggly-looking guys -- something that is pretty common, especially in AC. So, I can understand why D'etat was perplexed by my comments on this thread. Nevertheless....
This is the second time D'etat has had a hypersensitive reaction to something I wrote -- and I'm not even trying. :-)
X (apparently also known as "dude")
Man what is wrong with you?
I said I never see Filipinas with [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor foreigners and if you don't know what [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor is you are a lost cause. Dude are you an American? If not then I understand maybe you not knowing what [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor means.
It means to be destitute or poor or have an average income dude.
Am I the only one who is confused? X
D'etat: " I own a nice house in an upscale suburb of Metro Manila. I wear nice jewelry and can afford to travel at my leisure any where on this green earth and party like rock star. X I am self made."
Guys it was not meant to be an offense. It was just something I thought about from time to time. Being around Filipinos in Dubai, Japan Korea and PI. I am not rich by no means. All people like money. PI is no different. [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor below average pay with no visa involved. Oh well enough on this next topic?
Confused? That makes two of us :) Manye looking at your photos I would say you are about 35-50. You are too damn old to be this childish. I am not rich X. But I do wear nice jewelry and fly first class and own a nice house in an upscale suburb of Manila. You don’t have to be rich to do that X. What you do need though is a steady flow of capital (money) and mine comes in like Washington D.C.
MichaelTheOne
04-07-08, 15:10
Too many girls to be had, too little time to have them all...and just one XXXX to do them with...lets move one to the next subject ;)
Too many girls to be had, too little time to have them all...and just one XXXX to do them with...lets move one to the next subject ;)
I agree MTO!
Number one status symbol amongst average Pinay's seems to still be cell phones. How many times has a girl told you gentleman a story of hardship, you've given her some money to help out only to find she runs out & buys a top of the line cell phone! Ugh! Then to cap it off she goes & hocks it to buy milk for baby/pay rent etc. UGGHHH!!! My god every cutey I come across always puts the bite on me for a bloody cell phone sooner or later! Since I live here Im in a position to see that they are not telling lies about the phone hocking, this is what they do.. such inappropriate spending keeps them in a cycle of poverty.
Speaking of cell phones, my singaporean GF just proudly announced to me that she had bought an Apple iPhone. She knows nothing about technology at all but she found it really easy to use & is busily sending me Yahoo IM's from it. BTW this is the ONLY pinay I have _ever_ met who has never asked me for a single centavo. Wish I could have a reason to go to Singapore more often... her pic included just for fun.
Cheers
AV
I agree MTO!
Number one status symbol amongst average Pinay's seems to still be cell phones. How many times has a girl told you gentleman a story of hardship, you've given her some money to help out only to find she runs out & buys a top of the line cell phone! Ugh! Then to cap it off she goes & hocks it to buy milk for baby/pay rent etc. UGGHHH!!! My god every cutey I come across always puts the bite on me for a bloody cell phone sooner or later! Since I live here Im in a position to see that they are not telling lies about the phone hocking, this is what they do.. such inappropriate spending keeps them in a cycle of poverty.
Speaking of cell phones, my singaporean GF just proudly announced to me that she had bought an Apple iPhone. She knows nothing about technology at all but she found it really easy to use & is busily sending me Yahoo IM's from it. BTW this is the ONLY pinay I have _ever_ met who has never asked me for a single centavo. Wish I could have a reason to go to Singapore more often... her pic included just for fun.
Cheers
AV
They definitely don’t plan for the future.
Cunning Stunt
04-08-08, 10:28
I agree MTO!
... her pic included just for fun.
Cheers
AVVery nice AV. But take care you don't leave yourself open to some more attacks from our green eyed resident troll. First rule. DFTFT: D
One of the many things that amuse and me about life in the Philippines is the number of pawnshops. They are everywhere (must be a good business but probably cornered by the Chinese Filipino's) and the main item of pawn currency is the ubiquitous cellphone. Number of times I've asked one of my numerous temporary gf's where her phone is only to find that she has hocked it the day before (hurrah! ). Also means that the cheapest place to pick up a second hand phone is from the nearest pawnshop.
About recent technology I've just picked up one of latest ultra portable laptops called the Asus eee. I am mega impressed by it as it weighs less than a kilo, is the size of a paperback book, and yet has all the functionality of a full laptop. Has some limitations but perfect for a travel laptop. Just have to work out how to put XP on it as the installed OS is Linux Xandros, which is OK but is a pain with regards to installing software.
Cheers GH
SergeantRay
04-09-08, 01:46
I was talking with a friend of mine, a long-time veteran of the PI, and we both agree that the money spent on cellphones and texting is a hugely unproductive drain on the economy.
What if all that money count go into investment in business free from graft and government intrusion?
Bilbo Baggins
04-09-08, 04:54
About recent technology I've just picked up one of latest ultra portable laptops called the Asus eee. I am mega impressed by it as it weighs less than a kilo, is the size of a paperback book, and yet has all the functionality of a full laptop. Has some limitations but perfect for a travel laptop. Just have to work out how to put XP on it as the installed OS is Linux Xandros, which is OK but is a pain with regards to installing software.
Cheers GH
I'm looking at the new air mac after lugging my mac pro laptop around the place.
Very nice AV. But take care you don't leave yourself open to some more attacks from our green eyed resident troll. First rule. DFTFT: D
DFTFT?? I am missing a few cells here. I like MR X aka DUDE's caustic comments just as I like reading yours and D'etat. D'etat, I DIDNT TAKE OFFENCE at the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor comment I was being tongue in cheek.
I have from my research worked out how to live in the Philippines in a reasonable pension and eat out everyday for 500 pesos a day. I could do it cheaper if I lived with my (next) girlfriend in her place but I do have standards.
The money I save with this frugality will be reinvested back into my nest egg which sadly got a rummaging recently. A little sacrifice and discipline today will enable me to live the life I was dreaming of before the stock market took a dive.
Cunning Stunt
04-09-08, 08:59
I'm looking at the new air mac after lugging my mac pro laptop around the place.
DFTFT?? I am missing a few cells here. I like MR X aka DUDE's caustic comments just as I like reading yours and D'etat. D'etat, I DIDNT TAKE OFFENCE at the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor comment I was being tongue in cheek.
I have from my research worked out how to live in the Philippines in a reasonable pension and eat out everyday for 500 pesos a day. I could do it cheaper if I lived with my (next) girlfriend in her place but I do have standards.
The money I save with this frugality will be reinvested back into my nest egg which sadly got a rummaging recently. A little sacrifice and discipline today will enable me to live the life I was dreaming of before the stock market took a dive.Hi Bilbo,
I also looked a the Mac which is a beautiful piece of equipment. Almost a work of art. However I went for the eee as its even smaller and lighter and less than a quarter of the price. Yet it has a webcam and full internet connectivity. Plus its virtually idiot proof and designed for a 10 year old which means its perfect for me! Even getting used to the toytown keyboard and hope to crack the XP installation today.
I admire you if you can live for long on 500 pesos a day. I tried that for a while a few years back, staying in P150 a night rooms at Jowards Pension on Adriatico in Malate (friendly but oh so basic) and eating local foods in malls and cafes but its not something I would want to do for extended periods. However it does allow you to meet some interesting characters and I found that many Filipinas were remarkably sympathetic and giving when they got over the shock of the realisation that a westerner appeared to be as '[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor' as they are. If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been living 'au natural'.
BTW. Just trying to wind up the wind up merchant but methinks he is too wily to be drawn.
GH
I was talking with a friend of mine, a long-time veteran of the PI, and we both agree that the money spent on cellphones and texting is a hugely unproductive drain on the economy.
What if all that money count go into investment in business free from graft and government intrusion?
I hate to generalize I am into details. But like I said they live for the moment. When I stayed in Japan over a year a lot of my ole lady friends worked for peanuts hotels, warehouses, nightclubs etc.. but they owned 2000-4000 watches I could not understand it. Also some of them were illegals or visa overstayers so they could be busted and deported back to PI at any moment even so they shopped until it was no longer feasible. I also discovered something else about them whenever I would question their behavior such as the watches they seem to always turn the table. You have one too is what they would say. They seem not to know the difference between living and living above your means. In Japan though a lot of them have it good. They smile at lonely Japanese guys and they become Santa Clause. One girl I knew there was married to a cool as a fan naturalized Filipino but was getting supported by a Japanese. Incredible.
Cunning Stunt
04-09-08, 09:23
I was talking with a friend of mine, a long-time veteran of the PI, and we both agree that the money spent on cellphones and texting is a hugely unproductive drain on the economy.
What if all that money count go into investment in business free from graft and government intrusion?Good point Serge but you try and extract the texting cellphone from the clutching paws of the average Filipino and you would have widespread anarchy on your hands. It is one of the few, cheap pleasures they have in their poor, blighted lives.
BTW are there businesses in the Philippines free from graft and government intrusion?
GH
Filipinos are very friendly and sociable people but its economy stinks. 60 years of free market economy and look, its SE neighbors are so far ahead. Even Vietnam, just after 15 years coming out of the iron curtain, and is quickly catching up to it. Is it the Spanish influence?
Bilbo Baggins
04-10-08, 02:12
If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been living 'au natural'.
GH
Hahahahaha how did you know I was a nudist? I have just come back from a two month holiday in the Philippines. I went there to find out if I could live there and what kind of life I could have hence my research. I need to go back and see more places. I stayed in a hotel until I got my bearings then I did the cheap thing for about 3 weeks in a nice pension and then went to a luxury resort in Bacolod, Palmas del Mar for $70 dollars a night (about 3000 pesos a day food and bed) so I swung both ends of the spectrum.
I wouldn't want to be [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor and living in the Philippines without any financial resources. I know how to live cheap now and so long as its a choice and not a necessity it can be fun. I don't need much just some place to work, as for women I still don't know, there were some that fell in love with me but I can't take it seriously the alchemy of white skin, money and kindness interferes with reality.
I'm hoping to spend half the year in the Philippines for the next 5 years then take my nest egg and retire there. Its good to know I can live there without being destitute.
I bought the Mac for the video and photography stuff and I'm very happy with it otherwise I might have done the same as you it gets tiring with the heavy bags when you travel.
Soapy Smith
04-10-08, 07:50
Is it the Spanish influence?Yes, or more precisely, the combination of Spanish colonialism and the Catholic Church. It is noteworthy that this is the only predominantly Christian nation in Southeast Asia, and it's the one that all the newly independent nations keep passing by. First Korea, then Thailand, now Vietnam.
I'll save you from a dull and detailed history lesson: rent a copy of the Philippine-made movie, **Jose Rizal**. Rizal was a national hero whose 1896 execution by the Spanish triggered a major rebellion that was not resolved until the U. S. Intervened as a calculated extension of the Cuban-American war. Dialogue in the movie is mostly Tagalog with some Spanish. Has subtitles in several other languages, including English.
Cunning Stunt
04-10-08, 09:13
Filipinos are very friendly and sociable people but its economy stinks. 60 years of free market economy and look, its SE neighbors are so far ahead. Even Vietnam, just after 15 years coming out of the iron curtain, and is quickly catching up to it. Is it the Spanish influence?Hi Columpuss,
The Philippines was one of the most vibrant and go-ahead economies in SE Asia in the 50's and early 60's and in GDP terms one of the wealthiest. And then along came the bogey man otherwise known as Marcos which started the downward spiral of political mismanagement, rampant corruption and nepotism, and economic plunder on a massive scale, problems which continue to the present day. It all very sad particularly as the country is full of bright, industrious, hard working (yes, really!) folk, most of whom have to go abroad and be the worlds nurses, maids, seamen, construction workers etc, in order to earn a decent crust.
I wouldn't want to be [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor and living in the Philippines without any financial resources. I know how to live cheap now and so long as its a choice and not a necessity it can be fun. I don't need much just some place to work, as for women I still don't know, there were some that fell in love with me but I can't take it seriously the alchemy of white skin, money and kindness interferes with reality.And there was me thinking that you was the new George Orwell (Down and Out in Manila and Bangkok. Now there is a good idea for an aspiring young author). But otherwise the point of the exercise rather escapes me. Why live on 500 pesos a day if you have the means to live a much more affluent lifestyle? Unless it was a social experiment or you anticipate poverty as an option in the future. Maybe you are the new Chris McCandless? Sorry, I am been facetious.
Incidentaly, one of the happiest foreigners I ever met in the Philippines really was [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor. He was a Scandanavian, about 50ish and living in cheap local style accommodation with his 25 year old Pinay girlfriend. He had no income as such and appeared to be living on his rapidly dwindling capital. But he always seemed content with his lot and as happy as a pig in shit. Often wonder what became of him, maybe he had a lifeline like wealthy relatives back in the west. An option local indigents do not possess.
Bilbo Baggins
04-11-08, 04:27
Why live on 500 pesos a day if you have the means to live a much more affluent lifestyle? Unless it was a social experiment or you anticipate poverty as an option in the future. Maybe you are the new Chris McCandless? Sorry, I am been facetious.
Surely you jest! Probably all of the above could be right. Curiosity mainly, I wanted to see at what level I could live on and be comfortable with. I lived in a 275 peso room had a cold shower, fan and cable TV. I didn't need the fan. I wasn't allowed to cook in the rooms but I could make coffee. You could eat three meals at the carinderia for about 150 pesos a day or less if one had to, I didn't get sick my friends showed me how to do it all. The room was clean the only discomfit was the cold shower but it was doable. I bought fruit from sidewalk vendors for 10 to 15 pesos and cakes etc for 5 to ten pesos.
I have a little money not a big money and it recently became smaller so poverty in the future is certainly an option. I was a lot wealthier before the divorce and before the market dive. You can lose your money as easy as blinking. If I want to make my money bigger I have to cut costs. Now I know some ways I can do it and still have a holiday in a foreign country.
I found out I don't need much and the answers to the questions what do I need to be happy and what is luxury? If I am careful with my money now I will always have the freedom of choice which is what wealth brings and what true luxury is. Another Chris McCandless? Maybe? I want a simple and uncomplicated life after the stresses and strains of my past. Maybe I will skip the solitude. I could see myself being like that Scandanavian (what 60 year old man would complain about having a 25 year old girlfriend?) except I wont have a dwindling capital if I budget right it should keep growing. I am free thanks to my divorce and I am choosing thanks to some money.
Incidentaly, one of the happiest foreigners I ever met in the Philippines really was [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor. He was a Scandanavian, about 50ish and living in cheap local style accommodation with his 25 year old Pinay girlfriend. He had no income as such and appeared to be living on his rapidly dwindling capital. But he always seemed content with his lot and as happy as a pig in shit. Often wonder what became of him, maybe he had a lifeline like wealthy relatives back in the west. An option local indigents do not possess.One of my friends, a pilot, retired here & did exactly this. Every day was a fiesta. Eventually he arrived on my doorstep utterly penniless. Yes he blew his entire pilots superannuation in a couple of years.
He begged a fare home so he could go live off friends & relatives back home until he could get some social security to live off there. He still bores us with stories of every night in bed with 3 women & non stop partying. He lives in a dump in Australia & takes medication for chronic depression. Some life...
AV
Very nice AV. But take care you don't leave yourself open to some more attacks from our green eyed resident troll. First rule. DFTFT :DThx, DTFTFT sure buts its ok to tease them a little hehehe ;)
One of the many things that amuse and me about life in the Philippines is the number of pawnshops. Also means that the cheapest place to pick up a second hand phone is from the nearest pawnshop.Oh yeah & are'nt the girls offended if you suggest getting them a secondhand one from the pawnshops! hehehe :)
About recent technology I've just picked up one of latest ultra portable laptops called the Asus eee... perfect for a travel laptop.I just bought one for my nephew who is 8 years old. Getting it connected to a wireless network was trivially easy compared to Windoze. I could do everything i needed EXCEPT Yahoo Instant Messenger. Damn!
All my family & friends use YM. I use a 13" Macbook for traveling. I have a 17" MacBook Pro at home & my wife & kids have mac mini's. no viri, malware, adware & virtually no maintenance. Most of my family back in Oz have gradually switched over to Mac's after I stopped volunteering to reinstall Windoze for them over & over again..
Just have to work out how to put XP on it as the installed OS is Linux XandrosYou can buy a model with XP on already, god knows why you want to though.. There is a model of HP simmillar to the eePC with Vista on it, my god imagine how slow it must be.. Cheers GH[/QUOTE]
Ingat!
AV
Cunning Stunt
04-11-08, 08:48
I found out I don't need much and the answers to the questions what do I need to be happy and what is luxury? If I am careful with my money now I will always have the freedom of choice which is what wealth brings and what true luxury is. Another Chris McCandless? Maybe? I want a simple and uncomplicated life after the stresses and strains of my past. Maybe I will skip the solitude. I could see myself being like that Scandanavian (what 60 year old man would complain about having a 25 year old girlfriend?) except I wont have a dwindling capital if I budget right it should keep growing. I am free thanks to my divorce and I am choosing thanks to some money.Yeah I was part in jest, Bilbo. I am sure that readers of this board are not interested in philosophical ramblings from an old fool like myself. But I must admit I am seriously interested in the motives that drive people like you and me to abandon their comfortable lives in the west and settle in places like the Philippines. The cynics will say the easy availability of pussy is sufficient motivation but there has to be more to life than that (did I really say that. I think I'll go lie down in a darkened room! ). Like you I want a simple, uncomplicated lifestyle and am willing to put up with some hardship and forgo lifes luxuries to get it. Also having a vagabond nature, I get jaded if I'm stuck in one place too long. Guess I've got a bit of the Chris McCandless in me but I definately don't want to end up like him!
Anyway I hope you find the life you are looking for.
You can buy a model with XP on already, god knows why you want to though.. There is a model of HP simmillar to the eePC with Vista on it, my god imagine how slow it must be.. Cheers GH
Ingat!
AV[/QUOTE]Cheers Amavida. Wish I'd had your advice yesterday when I installed a lite version of XP. Got it working OK but it has slowed the machine quite appreciably. I just could'nt get along with this Linux Xandros with it assumption that you were familiar with gobbledegook computer codes and peculiar software installation methods (from suppositories or something). Them eee's are tidy little fuckers though. I am quite inordinately pleased with it. It is literally pocket size and provided your not trying to do any advanced graphics on it, can cope with most applications. And at the price they are nearly giving them away.
Christ your pilot mate must have had a ball if he blew a pilots retirement gratuities in a couple of years. No wonder he is now depressed but I bet he has many wonderful deposits in his memory banks.
Wicked Roger
04-12-08, 08:41
The cynics will say the easy availability of pussy is sufficient motivation but there has to be more to life than that (did I really say that. I think I'll go lie down in a darkened room! ). Ingat!
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Gamahucher
Is there another reason....:D Suggest while in the dark room you use an ice cold towel as this may make wake you up from an obvious dream (nightmare by the sound of it..)
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