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Guys please don't think that every BG wants to do what she is doing. She did nothing wrong and was 100% faithful. She got run around like a loose wheel by me just so I could see if she was true to me.
I was the guy who wondered on her running around with my pick in my hand wanting others. I now feel the truth is I WAS THE LOOSER and SHE ALSO LOST.
Please don't think that a non BG will not try "because of the relathieves to make you stupid for pera" This is a poor place they ALL frankly need money.
My advise here would be SLOW THE FUCK DOWN AND RELAX. Strike up a conversation anywhere you go and start talking to whoever you choose. Invest some time "give yourself a predetermined amount" and be nice.
Nice report Bill and excellent advice, your honesty is refreshing and a welcome read. I'm sure there are many others out there in similar situations as you were in even if they don't admit it. Hope it works out better for you and her the next time around.
Nice report Bill and excellent advice, your honesty is refreshing and a welcome read. I'm sure there are many others out there in similar situations as you were in even if they don't admit it. Hope it works out better for you and her the next time around.
Go by three F's. Find them, Fuck them, forget them. Except if you are a frequent traveller to Philippines. Keep the numbers handy of the girls who gave you good service. Do not be surprised if they have moved and changed their phone numbers.
If you are the marrying type the BG is definitely not your option irrespective of the sexual satisfaction. Find some other normal girl. Marriage is a big step. tread slowly.
If you are staying in Phi for a length of time and would like short term Gf , it is a good idea to make a deal with a BG. There will be no illusions on both of you.
All poor girls need financial freedom for themselves and possibly to help their family because usually there are many brothers and sisters. They will lie. Although I believe there are many girls in AC who do not want to go barfine all the time and happy to make money by LD and daily allowance. I would never believe if they told me this. these girls will say anything to make them look decent and trustworthy. I have caught many of them in a lie. sometimes I tell them I am leaving town. When I went back to the bar I have found them making out with other patrons, although they promised me they will wait for me and not go with anybody. This is with some girls I have kept for a few days and they professed unending love.
I understand they need to make money and not tied to one person but what I do not understand why they need to lie about it. We all know what business they are in.
FreebieFan
07-06-09, 11:39
Man filipina lie no matter whether bar girl or not. Lying is a sport to the average filipina. Its part of their culture. Its about saving face. They would rather lie than admit they are wrong or don't know something. They will lie about the most insignificant things. And when you catch them in the lie. They will lie about lying.Wrong wrong wrong. I have the sweetest group of people possible as in laws who are good and decent people from whom I have never heard a request for money, nor a lie nor even a hint of lie.
Do not assume that your experiences mirror or parallel everyone elses and thereby because " it happened to you it must happen to everyone else" Maybe it doesnt happen to everyone.
Acccept that in every society, yours mine and who'evers there are good bad and otherwise.
Lets also not forget that us as mongers lie on an incredible scale. We agree to meet one lady and when a better offer comes up we lie to cancel the first diba?
My gf does not has a birth certicate (lost by her mother) or valid id-card. And if i want to take her with me on a flight to for instance Boracay thats not possible coz she cant identify herself properly at the airport.
Today she told me that a friend told her that a post idcard is valid for travelling within phills. The costs are 300 pesos and turn around time 1 day.
Can any one tell me if this is correct?
Can anyone tell me what the costs are for getting a new birth certificate and for getting a passport as the next steps. She is trying to get this info as well but i want to make sure that im not getting scammed.Hi Broko,
My Davao guapa has also been hitting me for bucks on a similar issue. She claims she's had to hire a lawyer and has been travelling back and forth to the province where she was born to get the matter settled in Court. May be we are sharing the same girl-friend. :D
On second thoughts, I don't think we do, because mine has accompanied me on several flights, using her University Identity Card.
Bill Buxton
07-06-09, 20:13
Guys,
The families have a long reach as far as money goes. When they see there little girl head off into the sunset on the big ass bird they are very happy (WHY).
The answer is simple, they have 1 less person to feed or worry about and have a 99% guaranteed cash machine for life. The family comes first even before us in the "I have to help my family game" The girls in the states will work long hrs and even take out a loan so they can send pera home. We as the asawa can control what they send but they will always ask money from the girl.
I myself send some cash over when not here but will limit the expenditure to 1 time per month. This said I feel it makes better relations between my wife and also with her family. Sure birthdays and holidays they get a stipend but this would happen if I was home.
I have witnessed many friends of my wife getting on demand calls from here to send money. They act much like a collection agency dunning for money. Some of her friends pay and don't question the demands from family on them. While others tell the family to funk off. This said it usually only lasts a few weeks before they are back on the train sending cash.
What can I say its just the way it is right or wrong we all live the life here or home. Who can say they are right or wrong in the loyalty but it is what it is.
You as the head of the house can limit and guide the wife on matters of her family. Sit down and explain whats gonna happen and see if she can understand the reasons behind the plan. In most cases if a girl workers outside the country or lives away they will be OK with this. They know first hand what it takes to make a buck and when they call will tell them whats up.
You need to spend some time with the gals and understand what they get from the other side. I am sure if we had mom and dad living in a shack we would also want to help when we could. Its harder here to make them believe its anything but being a CHEEP CHARLEY but how would they know? Most have never left this place to see what things cost elsewhere.
Another problem with here is they all [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) each other off using yak yak and pera. EXAMPLE- you get 3-4 wives together while the men are sitting and talking at another table. The girls will talk about c-phones, jewelry, shoes, whatever. They will then 4 sure get around to talking about there allowance from the bf or asawa. One will sound off that she gets 5-k peso a week. By the time it gets to the last gal its up to 20-k per week from hers. Now we all know that's BS but in fact the other three gals think she is telling the truth. At the end of the night they all go home and start ww1V with the spouse. They believe each other and will make a problem with the husband over what they heard two hrs before.
I have seen it its a fact and its funny as long as its not your gal. Ah money it keeps the world turning but sometimes is not worth having much extra.
B. B.
Chocha Monger
07-06-09, 23:55
Guys,
Another problem with here is they all [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) each other off using yak yak and pera. EXAMPLE- you get 3-4 wives together while the men are sitting and talking at another table. The girls will talk about c-phones, jewelry, shoes, whatever. They will then 4 sure get around to talking about there allowance from the bf or asawa. One will sound off that she gets 5-k peso a week. By the time it gets to the last gal its up to 20-k per week from hers. Now we all know that's BS but in fact the other three gals think she is telling the truth. At the end of the night they all go home and start ww1V with the spouse. They believe each other and will make a problem with the husband over what they heard two hrs before.
I have seen it its a fact and its funny as long as its not your gal. Ah money it keeps the world turning but sometimes is not worth having much extra.
B. B.
American military wives do the same thing when it comes to their allowance from hubby. Some will claim that the husband gives them his entire housing and food allowance, then another will claim that she gets that plus more. Then some poor bastard will be getting the third degree for being cheap or hiding money. Like you said it's funny as long as it isn't you.
Soapy Smith
07-07-09, 06:31
American military wives do the same thing when it comes to their allowance from hubby. Some will claim that the husband gives them his entire housing and food allowance, then another will claim that she gets that plus more. Then some poor bastard will be getting the third degree for being cheap or hiding money. Like you said it's funny as long as it isn't you.
This is not restricted to military wives. Research shows that women make the majority of spending decisions in American families that have both male and female adults in the household. We like to talk big about controlling the dough, but it's mostly talk. Some part of this is that women do the majority of grocery shopping, and we act like it's no big deal because we don't want to do the grocery shopping anyway.
But they also make decisions about furniture and other household purchases. Thus TV advertising targets women more than men -- with the exception of sports shows. And even then they sell us beer and cars by flashing t and a at us, and we fall for it. Don't believe the research? Go check out a Sears store or even Walmart. Pace off the square area devoted to products that men buy, and then pace off the area devoted to products women buy. Sorry, but the men's clothing section, hardware, automotive, and outdoor sports sections do not add up to the area devoted to women's clothes, jewelry, toiletries, groceries, housewares, furniture, toys, candles and assorted decorating crap.
When you think about it this way, is it really so different than Pinays married to kanos who end up sending all kinds of money and Balikbayan stuff home to the Phils?
Skip
All Pinays lie to some degree. Of the 10 Pinays that I "tested"with questions I new the answers to already, they all lied if it would have embaresed them.
One Gf who was no longer a virgin after we went on a vacation together, said she would tell everyone she was still a virgin to save face.
I don't let let lies bother me to much, I assume most of the girls know deep inside that I did not fly all the way across the world to spend only 2 or 3 days with them, before I had to go back to work.
For example, a girl I met on my last trip forgot she told me her password to her DIA profile. So after asking her if she was chatting with other guys or sending them emails on DIA, I said I did not believe her. After a day or so she deleted all of her emails and told me I did not have any proof she was seeking other men. She then gave me her password to prove she was not like those other girls and did not lie. I responded to her "guess you are correct there are no emails from other men in there. "I let her gloat for a few mins, then I copied and pasted about 10 emails that she had SENT to other men. of course she had forgoten to delete her sent file, and all the proof was there.
Since I caught her in the lies, she could only go on the offense and say I slept with a lot of woman I my 3 month vacation there (you bet I did!).
I understand why she lied, she knows the chance of me deciding to "pick"her as the one to marry and bring to the holly land are not very good.
All Pinays lie to some degree...
certainly pretty much true, but we Americans, Canadians, Italiens etc. do actually exactly the same, don't we? :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Cunning Stunt
07-07-09, 12:34
certainly pretty much true, but we Americans, Canadians, Italiens etc. do actually exactly the same, don't we? :)
Lets face it, 95% of the folk on the planet would admit to being economical with the truth when it suits their purpose. And the other 5% are downright liars:D.
Hey Hesekiels, I hope to be visiting your area of particular expertise in the autumn. Hope you are around to share a beer/point me in the right direction.
Cheers CS
ThatGuy865
07-08-09, 02:27
Lets face it, 95% of the folk on the planet would admit to being economical with the truth when it suits their purpose. And the other 5% are downright liars:D.
Hey Hesekiels, I hope to be visiting your area of particular expertise in the autumn. Hope you are around to share a beer/point me in the right direction.
Cheers CSThe difference is the lie constantly and about things most others wouldn't. And even when you have presented with evidence of their lie. They will lie to get out of that lie. If their lips are moving. They are lying.
Yellow Fever #2
07-08-09, 08:04
The difference is the lie constantly and about things most others wouldn't. And even when you have presented with evidence of their lie. They will lie to get out of that lie. If their lips are moving. They are lying.
BGs are professional liars. I have experienced them lying to get out of lies. They are more than capable of giving several layers of lies.
In fact lying to protect someone (usually self) happens, even to some of the best mongers but reality lies are hard to justify and quite easy to get caught. It is much harder to lie than to tell the truth.
I think PI BGs may lie more than BGs from other SE Asian countries because it is part of their lazy culture and they can speak the language better than most others around here, not much chance for a misunderstanding. I guess you can always blame it on the Catholic Church. It is just easier for them to do.
If their lips are moving, most likely they are lying.
The difference is the lie constantly and about things most others wouldn't. And even when you have presented with evidence of their lie. They will lie to get out of that lie. If their lips are moving. They are lying.
I have tried like hell to not get in on this debate. Forgive my response as it may come off a bit coarse but I am a product of America's urban school system.
At any rate I have been around Filipinos since 02'. ( US, South Korea, Philippines, UAE, Japan, the order by country in which I encountered them) In general I have found them to be full of shit (was invited to a large dinner back in 05' in Dubai by some PI associates only the bill $350 was on me LOL) and about as trustworthy and reliable (some just walk out of your life without saying a word not talking about GFs just friends) as a crackhead. Had some experience with crackheads while growing up. Distribution..... all I will say about that.
Now having said that. I have been with the same Filipina for over 2 1/2 years known her for 4 1/2. She has given me every "reason to stay" with her. I trust her with my life. She didn't come from a rich family but she wasn't squatter poor or provincial poor. She also wasn't selling top and bottom. (top=mouth. bottom= pussy/ass)
Her family just a motley crew... but nothing I wouldn't see back in the States. No one ever comes around begging for money and if they did I would politely say no.
Now not flaming or trying to impose morals on anyone but a lot of guys on ISG are married or in committed relationships (including me well semi-committed). So what are we doing?
FreebieFan
07-08-09, 08:54
Now not flaming or trying to impose morals on anyone but a lot of guys on ISG are married or in committed relationships. So what are we doing? Nice insight. Well from my perspective I ALWAYS tell them the score and if they want to run or stay, they did so knowing what the situation was.
However on the deeper level, for sure, were doing the same thing.
This has become an interesting thread if only because we often see the world thru our own wonderfully softly tinted glasses. And of course we can justify our own actions, not least to ourselves LOL
GoodEnough
07-08-09, 12:49
Like Illogic, I'm in a relationship and, like him, I would trust her with anything. But relationships like this develop over time--we've been together for more than 5 years. As I've said before, most guys coming here do not have that kind of time and for them, the generalizations as presented by others, probably hold true.
GE
Let's face it, we all lie or at least embellish when it suits us, there are lies you tell the IRS, lies you tell your boss to cover for your friends about who broke the coffee machine and lies you tell your GF about not watching internet porn.
Such lies don't really hurt anyone....maybe.
Then of course there are the lies that Filipina's (and Thai's, Viets etc) tell you
Like I need P5,000 for my brothers operation or because our water buffalo is sick when she really needs it because her idiot boyfriend lost all the rent money at Sabong and some guy name "Boraco" (badass) is after him.
These kinds of lies are easy to unmask, despite what wisdom we hear on these pages, guys still fall for it when they know better....oh well.
Spamhog learned gems of wisdom looooonnng ago sitting in a Quonset hut in Vietnam's region III one rain soaked day from a Master Sgt who was older than dirt.
"You can take the girl out of the bar, kid, but you can never take the bar out of the girl."
I lost track of the times I saw the truth of that statement manifest itself over the years.
Then there is the embellishment game that ALL filipinos play and the ladies have it down to an art form.
Filipino's in general like to play the "keep up with the Jones game" more so than any other collection of people I have seen. My very own beloved Mrs Spamhog, who is the most honest woman I have met (I verified it of course countless times) sometimes plays this game despite nasty looks from me when she does.
It goes like this: A group of Filipinas are sitting around comparing notes, each bragging about how rich their husband is and how good he treats her.
Gemma: Wow thats a nice watch your husband bought you for you birthday
Bing: Yeah, imported (timex) cost P10,000
Not true, it was only only P5,000 but Bing has to embellish thereby giving her husband "face" and making it seem he is richer and more successful than he is. Gemma will want her hubby to buy her a watch just as expensive and when she sees Bing she will show her and add to the price to one up her.
This happens with virtually all Filipinos male and female, it has a lot to do with face, honor and ones success.
Now this game is played directly opposite to how American's play it.
Joe: Hey Charlie, nice car, how much you pay for it?
Charlie: Only ten grand, a steal....
Charlie is lying out his butt, he bought the classic car for $12,000, but he wants everyone to think he is the most clever bargainer of all time and besides, that is the value he is gonna put down on the registration so the county doesn't tax him the for the higher rate.
Americans tend to low ball things to save face and Filipinos tend to high ball to save face.
Billy
FreebieFan
07-10-09, 08:03
Now this game is played directly opposite to how American's play it.
Joe: Hey Charlie, nice car, how much you pay for it?
Charlie: Only ten grand, a steal.
Charlie is lying out his butt, he bought the classic car for $12,000, but he wants everyone to think he is the most clever bargainer of all time and besides, that is the value he is gonna put down on the registration so the county doesn't tax him the for the higher rate.
Americans tend to low ball things to save face and Filipinos tend to high ball to save face.
BillyBuy a condo in Manila and the developer will ask you " And how much do you want us to put the value/selling price of the apartment "
This is question with a few meanings... as if you put the full value, you can show to the next purcchaser how much you paid.
However if you low ball the figure, the amount of tax paid is less.
Lies lies and what was the phrase.... ???
Bill Buxton
07-11-09, 02:47
Let's face it, we all lie or at least embellish when it suits us, there are lies you tell the IRS, lies you tell your boss to cover for your friends about who broke the coffee machine and lies you tell your GF about not watching internet porn.
Such lies don't really hurt anyone....maybe.
Then of course there are the lies that Filipina's (and Thai's, Viets etc) tell you
Like I need P5,000 for my brothers operation or because our water buffalo is sick when she really needs it because her idiot boyfriend lost all the rent money at Sabong and some guy name "Boraco" (badass) is after him.
These kinds of lies are easy to unmask, despite what wisdom we hear on these pages, guys still fall for it when they know better....oh well.
Spamhog learned gems of wisdom looooonnng ago sitting in a Quonset hut in Vietnam's region III one rain soaked day from a Master Sgt who was older than dirt.
"You can take the girl out of the bar, kid, but you can never take the bar out of the girl."
I lost track of the times I saw the truth of that statement manifest itself over the years.
Then there is the embellishment game that ALL filipinos play and the ladies have it down to an art form.
Filipino's in general like to play the "keep up with the Jones game" more so than any other collection of people I have seen. My very own beloved Mrs Spamhog, who is the most honest woman I have met (I verified it of course countless times) sometimes plays this game despite nasty looks from me when she does.
It goes like this: A group of Filipinas are sitting around comparing notes, each bragging about how rich their husband is and how good he treats her.
Gemma: Wow thats a nice watch your husband bought you for you birthday
Bing: Yeah, imported (timex) cost P10,000
Not true, it was only only P5,000 but Bing has to embellish thereby giving her husband "face" and making it seem he is richer and more successful than he is. Gemma will want her hubby to buy her a watch just as expensive and when she sees Bing she will show her and add to the price to one up her.
This happens with virtually all Filipinos male and female, it has a lot to do with face, honor and ones success.
Now this game is played directly opposite to how American's play it.
Joe: Hey Charlie, nice car, how much you pay for it?
Charlie: Only ten grand, a steal....
Charlie is lying out his butt, he bought the classic car for $12,000, but he wants everyone to think he is the most clever bargainer of all time and besides, that is the value he is gonna put down on the registration so the county doesn't tax him the for the higher rate.
Americans tend to low ball things to save face and Filipinos tend to high ball to save face.
BillyI think this same thing has been said before, many times. It all depends on who needs to know your information. Who would ask the guy about what he paid for a car ? not me. I don't frankly care about what anyone has I know what I have thats Much more important. The gals sure do mark up the price on everything but we all know who pays the freight for them to begin with.
Most implanted wanna be wise ass bigshots don't have 12-k (US) to buy anything here, and if they do they in most cases don't crow about it anyway. This is the home of the 5 cent millionaire and I am sure will always be just that.
This place houses the best of the best from war hero's, to trust fund baby's to drug lords. Just like back home we also got the full mix and then some.
If you keep a low profile you will have a better stay in most cases. Run around like king shit and you gotta look over your shoulder TO SEE WHO WANTS A PIECE. Info gets spread like a California wild fire here so be careful what you kick around. If the only trouble here each day is about a $30-$40 ring or watch I will be truly happy...
W.L. Buxton.
Soapy Smith
07-11-09, 08:17
This thread is really quite informative. Lots of wisdom here. Thanks everybody for sharing. There's another side of Filipino lying that hasn't been elaborated, although GE alluded to it about a week ago. It's when two people perpetrate a little white lie together and participate in helping each other save face. Here's an illustration:
Last August I hooked up with a Filipina who proved to be a great short-term GF. I met her at LA Cafe. The sex was great, and she was very open, very affectionate and considerate, and wanted to keep seeing me. I liked her a lot and wanted to keep having great sex with her. I did pay her the going rate for our LT sessions. I was working in the Quezon City area and could not invite her to rendezvous with me around my co-workers, so I found ways to slip away to Ermita and meet her at monger hotels in that area. The first two times we met at LA, but after that I just told her what hotel I'd be at and then we connected through texting and phone calls. I had promised to meet her one Saturday night at Las Palmas, but I was eager to try a little strange, so I actually arrived at about 1 pm and went to LA looking for a little afternoon delight. I found one that met my expectations, but knowing my new GF probably had friends among the freelancers already there on a Saturday afternoon, I asked her to please wait about five minutes after I left and then meet me at the 7-11 about a block to the East. She showed up at 7-11 about a minute after I did. I figured "what the hell," bought some snacks and drinks for both of us and then took her to Las Palmas, did an enjoyable ST with her, and sent her on her way.
My new GF showed up about 8 pm, even bringing some adobo pork and rice dish she had prepared for me. As we started to get affectionate she suddenly stopped and said, "I know you've been with another woman already today." I feigned ignorance of the whole affair. I looked at her strangely and said, "what"? That was the best I could do on short notice without getting into a lie that would ultimately hoist me on my own petard. She asked, "did you have a room here last night and tonight, or just tonight"? "Just tonight," I answered. Her question allowed me to conveniently leave out the part about "this afternoon." She said, "okay, I believe you." I immediately told myself she didn't believe me, but wanted things to work out with me -- maybe even hoping to get an improbable invite back to the land of round doorknobs -- and so decided it was better for neither of us to lose face in the interaction. And that's really the point: she was protecting her own face -- that I still desired her -- not just mine.
I suspect one of her girlfriends at LA had already texted her about my showing up and being cozy with a certain little spinner during the afternoon. Perhaps the little spinner even went back to LA and sounded off to other women about having done me. But with the little white lie that the GF and I worked out in our conversation she could at least go back and tell the other women that nothing had happened between me and the afternoon spinner, even if none of them really believed it -- and, of course, would probably not say so to her face. And, oh yeah, the sex was as great as ever that night, although she did ask me why it took me so long to cum.
So that's how people in the Phils perpetuate lies together so that everybody can save face.
Skip
Cunning Stunt
07-11-09, 11:02
i suspect one of her girlfriends at la had already texted her about my showing up and being cozy with a certain little spinner during the afternoon.
could have been. the filipina bush telegraph is highly advanced and a piece of juicy tittle-tattle travels at the speed of light.
there again it might have been indiscreet hotel reception staff. i find that they, particularly the female staff, often seem to take great delight in pissing on ones fireworks.
This thread is really quite informative. Lots of wisdom here. Thanks everybody for sharing. There's another side of Filipino lying that hasn't been elaborated, although GE alluded to it about a week ago. It's when two people perpetrate a little white lie together and participate in helping each other save face. Here's an illustration:
Last August I hooked up with a Filipina who proved to be a great short-term GF. I met her at LA Cafe. The sex was great, and she was very open, very affectionate and considerate, and wanted to keep seeing me. I liked her a lot and wanted to keep having great sex with her. I did pay her the going rate for our LT sessions. I was working in the Quezon City area and could not invite her to rendezvous with me around my co-workers, so I found ways to slip away to Ermita and meet her at monger hotels in that area. The first two times we met at LA, but after that I just told her what hotel I'd be at and then we connected through texting and phone calls. I had promised to meet her one Saturday night at Las Palmas, but I was eager to try a little strange, so I actually arrived at about 1 pm and went to LA looking for a little afternoon delight. I found one that met my expectations, but knowing my new GF probably had friends among the freelancers already there on a Saturday afternoon, I asked her to please wait about five minutes after I left and then meet me at the 7-11 about a block to the East. She showed up at 7-11 about a minute after I did. I figured "what the hell," bought some snacks and drinks for both of us and then took her to Las Palmas, did an enjoyable ST with her, and sent her on her way.
My new GF showed up about 8 pm, even bringing some adobo pork and rice dish she had prepared for me. As we started to get affectionate she suddenly stopped and said, "I know you've been with another woman already today." I feigned ignorance of the whole affair. I looked at her strangely and said, "what"? That was the best I could do on short notice without getting into a lie that would ultimately hoist me on my own petard. She asked, "did you have a room here last night and tonight, or just tonight"? "Just tonight," I answered. Her question allowed me to conveniently leave out the part about "this afternoon." She said, "okay, I believe you." I immediately told myself she didn't believe me, but wanted things to work out with me -- maybe even hoping to get an improbable invite back to the land of round doorknobs -- and so decided it was better for neither of us to lose face in the interaction. And that's really the point: she was protecting her own face -- that I still desired her -- not just mine.
I suspect one of her girlfriends at LA had already texted her about my showing up and being cozy with a certain little spinner during the afternoon. Perhaps the little spinner even went back to LA and sounded off to other women about having done me. But with the little white lie that the GF and I worked out in our conversation she could at least go back and tell the other women that nothing had happened between me and the afternoon spinner, even if none of them really believed it -- and, of course, would probably not say so to her face. And, oh yeah, the sex was as great as ever that night, although she did ask me why it took me so long to cum.
So that's how people in the Phils perpetuate lies together so that everybody can save face.
Skip
Just face the facts. She is working in LA cafe. It is no illusion what she does. Why consider her as your GF ? Why do you care what she thinks ?
Lots of people make the mistake of falling in love with a hooker.
Feigning jealousy is one way of making sure these girls keep you as a regular customer and also make sure the money goes to them only. This happens quite often in AC bars. I always tell them I am a butterfly and will barfine other girls which includes from their bars also. While they are not happy about it they have no choice. Ever wonder the reason why the girls want you to come to their bar ? Because they get some credit among others that they are a asset to the bar and show off that you are their BF at least for a short time.
Never let them trap you into thinking you are the boyfriend and cannot have sex with others. If you are in a serious relationship it is a different matter altogether.
ThatGuy865
07-11-09, 21:21
Ge and Illogic,
I'm happy for you both. My best friend also found and married what I would consider a great Filipina. Which I think is no easy thing to do.
You guys have made me think though. As you say we all lie to these girls, especially bar girls. So why should/would we expect any difference from them. The only difference between pina's and us, Most of us have the advantage of being sophisticated/worldly enough to know how to hide/disguise it better. So from that point of view. Maybe we all lie and we are just able to see thru their lies easier due to their unsophisticated minds.
Radical Guy
07-12-09, 02:37
My very own beloved Mrs Spamhog, who is the most honest woman I have met (I verified it of course countless times) sometimes plays this game despite nasty looks from me when she does.
It goes like this: A group of Filipinas are sitting around comparing notes, each bragging about how rich their husband is and how good he treats her. I'm also married to a Filipina, a wonderful wife. She hates when her Filipina friends brag about husbands. When other Filipinas ask her what I do for a living, she doesn't tell the, what I really do (I'm a lawyer), she just smiles and says, "My husband is a janitor." She gets a kick out of watching the snobby ladies trying to respond with "Oh, well as long as he loves you"... and then seeing them snicker among themselves.
Soapy Smith
07-12-09, 18:48
Just face the facts. She is working in LA cafe. It is no illusion what she does. Why consider her as your GF ? Why do you care what she thinks ?
Lots of people make the mistake of falling in love with a hooker.
Feigning jealousy is one way of making sure these girls keep you as a regular customer and also make sure the money goes to them only. This happens quite often in AC bars. I always tell them I am a butterfly and will barfine other girls which includes from their bars also. While they are not happy about it they have no choice. Ever wonder the reason why the girls want you to come to their bar ? Because they get some credit among others that they are a asset to the bar and show off that you are their BF at least for a short time.
Never let them trap you into thinking you are the boyfriend and cannot have sex with others. If you are in a serious relationship it is a different matter altogether.
Sam, I think you’ve misread the situation. I am 61 years old and have been married for 37 years. I have no plans to end my marriage, but sex with p4p Pinays in their 20s or early 30s is a joyful activity for an old guy like me. Mongering is not my principal reason for going to the Phils. I go there for business reasons, and the freelancer scene at LA Café is a wonderful distraction that I indulge in on weekends and occasionally on a weeknight either before or after a flight to somewhere else in the Phils. I do not monger in the zip code areas near where I work, and that’s also why I restrict my mongering to times when I can conveniently absent myself from my business associates.
I was not in love with this woman, and I told her so. I regarded her as a GF, because the sex was wonderfully affectionate, and I enjoyed being with her. I told her that the GF thing was limited to my three-week stay for that trip. I think she may have taken it a little more seriously than that, but in another way we were also using each other. She used me for LT money, and I used her for the most wonderful sex I’d had in nearly thirty years. In hindsight, I’d say my mistake on that particular Saturday was to have gone with the little afternoon spinner. Variety is nice, the sex was okay, but her attitude was a little mercenary. I’d have come away more contented if I’d saved my seed and my energy for a romp of the sort that I always had with my little GF p4p. I did romp with her that night, but popping the cork was a bit of an effort. I understand that GF p4p implies a paradox, but this was one paradox that I fully embraced. She was a GF in the sense that I wanted to continue to see her for wonderful sex. I was in serious lust with this woman, but not in love.
Where LA Café p4ps are concerned, I don’t think we should lop all of them into the same basket as bargirls in AC. Their life situations are quite varied. A few really are students who do p4p to support their study. I had a regular there a couple years ago who had a little Sari-Sari store in southern Pasig City, but came to LA on weekends to earn extra money. Some keep it up for a long time and become really hardened; others do it for a shorter span but get out of the life in one way or another. Some see it as strictly business, and some still entertain unrealistic dreams of meeting some prince who will rescue them from their poverty and take them to the U.S.
Not many years ago I had sort of an unwritten goal in my mongering life of putting as many notches as possible in the handle of the gun. More recently it is also about the pleasure and joy of the experience. There’s still a nice feeling from unwrapping a woman for the first time, joining her in the shower, tasting her, feeling the warm sheath of her mouth and vagina for the first time, and watching and hearing her responses during sex. But some of those experiences also are disappointing, whereas when we find somebody that’s a particularly good temperamental fit, it can be very, very satisfying to continue to return to the same well for drinking water.
In the same way that there are differences in the life circumstances of many of these women, there are also different intentions and strategies among the mongers in this forum. I think it’s not particularly helpful to advise other mongers that they should adopt our own particular credo toward mongering. For some of us old dogs it’s particularly difficult to learn new tricks that work for younger men. We all need to figure it out for ourselves. The ways that we interpret what’s going on with these various women is probably influenced more by the lenses of our own mental models than by the actual details of the women, their intentions, and their lives. Just my $.03.
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Soapy Smith
07-12-09, 19:04
Most of us have the advantage of being sophisticated/worldly enough to know how to hide/disguise it better. So from that point of view. Maybe we all lie and we are just able to see thru their lies easier due to their unsophisticated minds.
I'm not so sure they don't frequently see through us. At risk of over-generalizing, women are often much better than men at interpreting social situations, body language, and so on. I think some of it originates in their biological connection to babies: they give birth to babies and they breast feed them. We don't. And part of it is socialization: mothers teach it to their daughters, while they're more likely to help us become hardened in preparation for the roles of bread-winning and socially-endorsed violence. Pinays are often not going to draw attention to the fact that they see through our BS, because of their cultural expectation to avoid causing others to lose face. Obviously there are some exceptions.
FreebieFan
07-13-09, 04:10
Been reading about a site called Flesh Asia daily, which is kiddie porn type site, featuring Filipina type models and dalily celebrity gossip. Some tasteful pics. But seems the author of the site has gotten a visit from the NBI. Someinteresting observations, but whats more interesting is the comments on this situation from presumably male Philipinos who clearly don't have a lot of empathy for both the NBI and the trapo's who may have instigated the investigation.
site is at...http://fleshasiadaily.com/2009/07/10/full-disclosure-the-shit-day-that-was-last-friday/comment-page-3/#comment-18436
Hey Gents,
I hope this doesn't come across as someone who hasn't taken the time to RTFF. If you check some of my posting history, I hope you will be satisfied as to the legit nature of my inquiry.
I have not visited "the home world', but have a lot of recent experience with the ladies from there. Most of it recent meetings in Hong Kong, Shanghai, or Dubai. I was invited by another monger to visit his part of the world in Puerto Galera for a few days of diving and both of the scuba and "muff" variety!
My question is this, I know that female company is easily obtainable, and the choices are plentiful. As much as I enjoy the variety, I find that afterwards, or in some cases before there are long periods of silence and we have nothing in common other than the fact I want to jump her bones or the like. Nothing wrong with that for a night or two, I can always read while she watches the T.V., etc.
What I am wondering is, if there is a realistic opportunity to meet, enjoy the company of some local ladies that have a little more life experience, while retaining the physical attributes we all enjoy so much. In a perfect world, she would also have a decent education, and maybe be employed in a real world (albeit underpaid) job.
I am not looking for a full time girl friend or the like, but a 30'ish, attractive lady that can still rock my world and hold a conversation afterwards until I am ready for the next round. Maybe even get dressed up and enjoy an evening on the town, before our next visit to "O town".
I know this is asking for a bit of the "moon", but I figured you guys would be in the know and maybe be willing to share some thoughts and information if this is a realistic approach.
TIA,
Sky
ps How is the mongering in Puerto Galera?
Hey Gents,
I hope this doesn't come across as someone who hasn't taken the time to RTFF. If you check some of my posting history, I hope you will be satisfied as to the legit nature of my inquiry.
I have not visited "the home world', but have a lot of recent experience with the ladies from there. Most of it recent meetings in Hong Kong, Shanghai, or Dubai. I was invited by another monger to visit his part of the world in Puerto Galera for a few days of diving and both of the scuba and "muff" variety!
My question is this, I know that female company is easily obtainable, and the choices are plentiful. As much as I enjoy the variety, I find that afterwards, or in some cases before there are long periods of silence and we have nothing in common other than the fact I want to jump her bones or the like. Nothing wrong with that for a night or two, I can always read while she watches the T.V., etc.
What I am wondering is, if there is a realistic opportunity to meet, enjoy the company of some local ladies that have a little more life experience, while retaining the physical attributes we all enjoy so much. In a perfect world, she would also have a decent education, and maybe be employed in a real world (albeit underpaid) job.
I am not looking for a full time girl friend or the like, but a 30'ish, attractive lady that can still rock my world and hold a conversation afterwards until I am ready for the next round. Maybe even get dressed up and enjoy an evening on the town, before our next visit to "O town".
I know this is asking for a bit of the "moon", but I figured you guys would be in the know and maybe be willing to share some thoughts and information if this is a realistic approach.
TIA,
Sky
ps How is the mongering in Puerto Galera?
...the "got their shit together ones."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=get+your+shit+together
Meeting women in the Philippines is very easy :)
Meeting women with a brain, decent job/money, manners and attractive not so easy, especially for shot time liaisons
Sounds like you are looking for a little sophistication. Sophisticated women is not what attracts men to this country. :)
As for the beach places.... better to grab a "to-go-plate" from one of the city watering holes.
FreebieFan
07-15-09, 00:46
[QUOTE=Sky Ryder]Hey Gents,
I hope this doesn't come across as someone who hasn't taken the time to RTFF. If you check some of my posting history, I hope you will be satisfied as to the legit nature of my inquiry.
I have not visited "the home world', but have a lot of recent experience with the ladies from there. Most of it recent meetings in Hong Kong, Shanghai, or Dubai. I was invited by another monger to visit his part of the world in Puerto Galera for a few days of diving and both of the scuba and "muff" variety!
My question is this, I know that female company is easily obtainable, and the choices are plentiful. As much as I enjoy the variety, I find that afterwards, or in some cases before there are long periods of silence and we have nothing in common other than the fact I want to jump her bones or the like. Nothing wrong with that for a night or two, I can always read while she watches the T. V., etc.
What I am wondering is, if there is a realistic opportunity to meet, enjoy the company of some local ladies that have a little more life experience, while retaining the physical attributes we all enjoy so much. In a perfect world, she would also have a decent education, and maybe be employed in a real world (albeit underpaid) job. I am not looking for a full time girl friend or the like, but a 30'ish, attractive lady that can still rock my world and hold a conversation afterwards until I am ready for the next round. Maybe even get dressed up and enjoy an evening on the town, before our next visit to "O town".
I know this is asking for a bit of the "moon", but I figured you guys would be in the know and maybe be willing to share some thoughts and information if this is a realistic approach.
TIA, Sky[QUOTE]I think you need to do the old internet chat routine first. That way you can determine if the girl has a sense of humour, friendly and able to discourse on a wide variety of subjects.
Trying to meet hot funny interesting ladies at random in Manila will othrewise be difficult.
Tungsten Chef
07-15-09, 00:52
I was married in Cebu in January of this year. Stayed in Consolacion for 1 month. Honeymoon in Bantayin Island...Budyong Beach.
I already know about the thoughts of most of you here. You marry her, you marry the family. I don't mind my wife giving money to her mother to buy the food and other necessities, but her dad seems to be a real LOSER!!
The guy works as a security guard here and there. Last stationed at Gaisano Mall in Butuan City. All of a sudden he quits his job. Wow. No responsiblities now that a foreigner is in the picture. Apparently he's waiting for a phone call for another position. Haha, sure bullshitter.
The uncle in Bantayin who helped organize our wedding asked him when we were all together if he was going to get a job or embarrass the relatives and live off the foreigner's dime. At our party after the reception he never came out once to drink or mingle with the people. What an arrogant bastard.
Our baby is due in October. I'll be heading there in January of 2010. I tell you I won't be hanging around there house much. I told my wife to budget the money. Everyone comes out of the woodwork as you guys on the forum already know. I'll have more to add later on my last trip there.
Hey's Guys!
Thanks for the comments about the question I asked. I suspected that what you said was most likely the case. I guess I will surf the chat routine and see what happens, while still picking up some "short time" talent as needed.
Thanks,
Sky
I would like to quote my post from prior, but as that post was also quoting from a prior post, it doesn't come out correctly, so this new update is in reference to the post at the link below:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=897933&postcount=1967
As it turns out, her Friendster was initially created by her younger sister, who has a very active Friendster account and added the silly writing on there like "hey guys, please add me up", etc. After all, I did find it strange that the writing style was different on her Friendster from her actual e-mails. Anyway, she is not the one who told me her sister made her Friendster, this is what I was able to figure out by 'spying' on her Friendster as well as that of her sister.
She's also changed her status to 'single', and looking for 'friends'. Interesting.
By the way, she still doesn't know that I'm aware of her Friendster. She now has six friends, four of them being siblings, one being her female friend (who, I must say is very hot with a super duper rack), and lastly, the man I mentioned in my previous report, "Dan".
Anyway, I never mentioned to her that I knew of Dan or her Friendster, but I called her today to wish her a happy birthday. Surprisingly the phone connection was good, and she explained it had stopped raining for a bit in Manila.
Well, we chatted for about 15 minutes, and she told me that she misses me, but that she didn't want to lie and had something to tell me: there was another guy.
I asked her for details, and she told me it was some guy her friend introduced her to very briefly a while back, and that he lives in Japan, and that he messages her and whatnot, but she barely knows him and she still prefers to be with me and wants me to come sooner. She also told me that he'll be visiting Manila in about a month to see her (a two day trip).
Well, I never brought up the Dan thing, and she ended up telling me anyway.
She also told me she'd gone to LA Cafe once since I'd last seen her, but she'd gone with her best friend (some Korean guy, and although I don't know his intentions, I know she has no romantic feelings for him, as I did overhear a conversation they had once and it was pretty obvious), as he wanted to pick up a girl there and play billiards.
I also asked if she had Friendster, and she said yes, and told me to add her.
And, towards the end of the call, she said, "Can you send me something?" I thought to myself... "here we go... how many pesos does she want?"... but surprisingly she said, "Can you send me photos, because I don't have any and I want to be reminded of you" or something to that extent. I agreed, and not long after we said goodbye.
So does this change anything?
-She has not asked me for one peso;
-She has come clean about this other guy.
...what else? As I said in my original post, I'm a pretty good judge of character, and that it was rare for me to meet someone as 'good' as her. Initially I was stumped by her behavior, but seeing her come clean of her own volition makes me think my initial assessment was correct.
Any thoughts from the others here?
I would like to quote my post from prior, but as that post was also quoting from a prior post, it doesn't come out correctly, so this new update is in reference to the post at the link below:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=897933&postcount=1967
-She has come clean about this other guy.
...what else? As I said in my original post, I'm a pretty good judge of character, and that it was rare for me to meet someone as 'good' as her. Initially I was stumped by her behavior, but seeing her come clean of her own volition makes me think my initial assessment was correct.
Any thoughts from the others here?
Most guys have already made their feelings felt on getting involved with a working girl. You seem to be smitten so I will offer this…. While I could never do it for personal reasons (not because I think they are all bad or less than human) I think you should just go into this eyes wide open and don’t invest to much into "it" so if anything does happen then you can walk away clean and not bitter as a lot of guys do once they are burned and lose something substantial whether it be their heart, mind or money.
I have never been fussed about how many men a woman has had sex with before me. It would be hypocritical to insist that she be almost virginal. If it is good enough for me to have had sex with 300 women before I had sex with her, then the same standard applies in reverse.
However, the key issue with working girls is that they very quickly become acculturated with the atttitude that men are for money, and the key is to get as much out of the man as possible.
I hav seen more than a few here in my home town, filipinas married to Australian men. The totally screw the poor guy, strip him for what they can get. Others go back into the business, while married, to make some money on the side, or to get more sex and excitement than their husband will or can provide.
So if you go into it, make sure that you protect and insulate your assets from her. For ever.
G
GoodEnough
07-18-09, 15:10
Most guys have already made their feelings felt on getting involved with a working girl. You seem to be smitten so I will offer this…. While I could never do it for personal reasons (not because I think they are all bad or less than human) I think you should just go into this eyes wide open and don’t invest to much into "it" so if anything does happen then you can walk away clean and not bitter as a lot of guys do once they are burned and lose something substantial whether it be their heart, mind or money.
I do not mean to rain on your parade, but, as Illogic correctly advises, I would suggest that you proceed with extreme caution. First, even if she was not a working girl, you've spent a total of three or four days with her, so you really don't know her well at all. Second, of course, she is a working girl and thus probably pretty expert in the arts of deception. Unless and until you're able to spend a substantial amount of with her, it's better to restrain from investing substantial emotions in the relationship. As you know, under the best of circumstances, the odds are not in your favor.
GE
Starchild2012
07-18-09, 15:24
so does this change anything?
-she has not asked me for one peso;
-she has come clean about this other guy.
...what else? as i said in my original post, i'm a pretty good judge of character, and that it was rare for me to meet someone as 'good' as her. initially i was stumped by her behavior, but seeing her come clean of her own volition makes me think my initial assessment was correct.
any thoughts from the others here?
this is going to be long.
please don't take this the wrong way or anyone who is going to read this.
i have been in manila now for close to six months and last year spend the same number of months in cebu and had close contact with at least 100 filipino women.
some sexual, some relationship, some just friendly.
the one thing that i have learned from each and every filipino women are contrary to what many of us think, filipino women are one the smartest women i have met so far not in the god or bad way of been smart but better and one step ahead of many of us.
be it may bar girls or a normal working women, their level of understanding of their immediate surroundings are way ahead of us.
at first one may not realize thinking that philippines has adopted american culture so they are more or less same and as they speak english, it must be easier to interact and know them.
far from it, filipinos are as different from americans as they are from indians or russians internally.
filipino culture is "different" than rest of us as is among between ourselves.
the biggest mistake we make is to attach our life's experience in our own country and apply it here.
unless we understand this, we will face a bumpy road in dealings with filipinas.
we can never ever fully understand a filipina, no matter how long we stay here.
unless, i'm born as a filipino, i will never be able to fully understand their culture, its impossible, i can make millions of observations and comment on their behavior, yet may never know them fully.
its same like 100 other cultures in the world, we will never know them fully unless we are one of them.
yes, it is a common sense thing.
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that is reason i would strongly suggest if you want to know the truth about this girl or anything related to a filipino, we isg mongers are not the best guide to ask for, cos we ourselfs are observing here and can at best give you a subjective opinion.
>>>>the best thing you can do in this situation is to ask a filipino guy<<<<<<
he is the culture itself, that we are trying to get closer and study, he will be able to easily judge his own kind than we would be ever able to judge them.
as we know filipino guys and philippines in general is very friendlier, you will not have a hard time making tons of friends here, not gay kind of things but friends who would help you in these matters :)
just tell him your situation and let him study and analyse her, he will be the best judge of her character, simply cos he is one of them.
however, he may or may not be right on judging her, for the simple fact that he is a human being after all and like us, he could also make a mistake.
but the closest you will ever come to knowing her properly is only through a filipino.
if one wants to know about an indian women, they should ask an indian, it makes sense, if one wants to know about a korean girl, one should ask a korean, which i did :)
the trouble is we all mongers here assume many things about a filipina based on observations, we are not at fault, cos we do not have any other tools to judge a filipina.
it complicates the matter further for us, as very few filipinos or thais would monger & write in isg, cos they don't need to......they have plenty of women here to go with.
which in a way proves itself that how good and easy it is to be with a women here, filipinos speak excellent english same as indians yet indian thread is full of indians and no filipino here, which also proves that its very difficult to find a women in india than in the philippines which is the reason i'm here from india :)
whether the relationship succeeds or not is secondary, we need to have a women first, which is the reason we come here.
women here are easy, which does not or should not ever be matched and concluded with our experience with women from other countries.
just because here there is an option for plenty of sex with as many women as possible does not mean filipinas does not have their own thing going own.
just because she fulfills a mans every desire easily does not mean she does not have any other side of her character developed.
this is the trap we all fall in, just because girls here are easy going with us in every mans ways, we assume rest of the things in her mind and judge her based on that.
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we make the same mistake over and over again and thousands have made before us, rep001tered through the isg board we find men with broken heart in the philippine and thailand thread going into a relation with a filipina or thai women because she fulfills everyman's desires, why wouldn't it be any other way, isn't that we all want ?
yes, of course it should be that way, only a fool would not be with a women who fulfills his desire and completes him.
>>>>the trouble is we fail to realize in all this is that she is a women first ....a girl friend, wife or a bar girl second.
we never got the respect as men before back in our own country and we have forgotten what really a women respect for a man is.
and suddenly, when we come here and see a filipina fulfilling our every desires, we forget the very moment that she is a women.
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the very reason she fulfills you and you feel complete is because of her respect for you as a man.
it can never be any other way, else we wouldn't be discussing it, the very reason that you did not care about her background or anything and still wanted to be with her, is because she respected you as a man first that is all is needed for her to win you.
can we see the cultural difference here, many of us call this a deception. it is not, respect is an inherent character in filipino culture as far as i have observed.
its not that she likes or hates the japanese guy who contacted her no she respects him cos he is a man.
he will like her so does everyone else with a filipina women who respects one as a man first and a businessman, unemployed, white, black, asian second.
this is the culture we must understand and not mistake it as deception and cheating.
she may have 100's of other friendster contacts, it does not mean anything.
she still respects you as same as the way she first met you. we have to understand this very very clearly.
the reason that you wondered why she did not ask you for pesos and then you had to change your assessment is the fact and the reason that she has not changed her respect for you even one bit.
we mistake their respect for man as deception and cheating, it does not mean however that she will not cheat or she is of high morality.
no, cos for the simple reason that she is a women first and your girlfriend or wife second, she is capable of doing anything that a women has done before.
how can it be not??
the mistake we make is we start to assume many things cos she fulfills our desires or more like makes us feel like a man.
we need to understand this cultural difference before assuming anything about a filipina.
from our side to get things done we need to respect them as a women first, than whatever we desire with them second, if we do that, we will save ourself with a lot of heart break and monger money.
i hope you wont throw away a good or a bad relationship with her just because other mongers have had bad experiences in the past not every but many, cos some mongers her have good relationship with a filipina women, but majority of them complain, simply cos they assumed many things before they realized she is a women after all.
can it be any other way? can we have a good relationship with a filipina before we think she is a women than we do them as easy and the one who fulfills every mans desire. will it ever succeed putting the cart before the horse?
its all about respect here. don't mistake it as deception.
good luck,
I think all vampires become more evil when they share a nest together. Just takes time.
Cunning Stunt
07-18-09, 16:27
>>>>The best thing you can do in this situation is to ASK A FILIPINO GUY<<<<<<
I have spent a lot of time drinking with Filipino's (purely for research purposes, you will understand:D), and picking their brains for hints on understanding the Filipina psyche. I can assure you that they are as baffled and mystified as the rest of us.
The alcohol addled consensus is usually the same, and although not couched in these exact words, is that you are best adopting the 3 F's approach and not to waste time trying to understand the imponderable.
But there again the average Filipino is shamelessly promiscuous and in mongering terms, would leave most of us supposedly experienced practitioners well in their wake!!
I'd first off like to thank all of you for your input.
That is reason i would strongly suggest if you want to know the truth about this girl or anything related to a Filipino, we ISG mongers are not the best guide to ask for, cos we ourselfs are observing here and can at best give you a subjective opinion.
I agree, and I do have Filipino friends here in Los Angeles, so I will take your advice and ask a Filipino, though who knows, maybe their perception may be different as Filipino-Americans.
if one wants to know about an Indian women, they should ask an Indian, it makes sense, if one wants to know about a Korean girl, one should ask a Korean, which i did :)
True, as an ethnic Korean myself, I have 'helped' non-Koreans to understand Korean women. Every girl is different of course, but there are certain general things in which they're similar. eg: importance of parental approval of their fiance's.
And suddenly, when we come here and see a Filipina fulfilling our every desires, we forget the very moment that she is a women.
I can understand this, but I have a very difficult time cumming (for the past year or so), and I did not come once while doing anything with her. It always ended in failure (as it does with 90% of the women I hook up with).
The very reason she fulfills you and you feel complete is because of her respect for you as a Man.
At this point, sex hardly means anything to me. Perhaps because I can't really even do it anymore (and at a young age, too, geez). I kept thinking over thiis sentence about her respect for me as a man. My conclusion is that it's true. I like feeling like 'the man', someone she can look up to or whatever. Sex is worthless now, so physical desires aside, that would complete my inner desire.
Its not that she likes or hates the Japanese guy who contacted her no she respects him cos he is a man.
This is where I'm confused a bit. Are you saying Filipinas will just automatically respect someone for being a man? Maybe I'm not sure what you mean by 'respect'. Anyway, it's just a bit confusing here...
I hope you wont throw away a good or a bad relationship with her just because other mongers have had bad experiences in the past not every but many,
I agree. I won't 'throw it away'. I know it sounds like, as Illogic pointed out, that I'm smitten with her, but I assure you I'm not. I don't think about her as much as some of you may think.
The best way to describe her and what she means to me is as someone out there who I know that makes me feel good when I'm with her, but not to a point where I'm going crazy thinking about her. As in, I assume if I was truly in love I'd be calling her everyday at least, but I've called her (according to Skype records) five times in the past 6+ weeks since I've last seen her.
I don't dream about her or anything like that. Really, I'm okay, and I won't be heartbroken if she decides to, for example, marry this other guy. I guess the thought of her just gives me a little 'boost' or something to look forward to next year. I'm having a really hard time explaining it, so I'll give that up now.
Can it be any other way? Can we have a good relationship with a Filipina before we think she is a women than we do them as easy and the one who fulfills every mans desire. Will it ever succeed putting the cart before the horse?
I understand she is a woman, and that there are tons of guys out there. She's also fairly attractive (a solid 7, and I believe I have high standards) and extremely sweet, but not just acting sweet, but genuinely sweet, so I don't doubt many men will be after her.
As we agreed, we would be a 'couple' but with extreme flexibility. I'm currently not looking for any girls to date, though as a Korean I do get offers to get set up on blind dates with Korean girls (I'm around the prime marrying age for Korean women), so I do accept them from time to time. In fact, I have a blind date coming up with a Korean Air flight attendant. I hope she's one of the hot ones. :)
Anyway, my conclusion is that she's a good girl, and whatever, girls will be girls, and I hope she'll still be 'single' when I make it out to the Phils next year, but if she's not, no big deal. I can always find another one (though it's rare to find one as sweet as her). I plan on moving to Cebu in the next few years so I need to take a trip out there anyway to check out the neighborhoods and whatnot.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Starchild2012
07-19-09, 16:58
This is where I'm confused a bit. Are you saying Filipinas will just automatically respect someone for being a man? Maybe I'm not sure what you mean by 'respect'. Anyway, it's just a bit confusing here...
I had to re-read your posts about the relation to get a grasp of things going on in a more deeper level.
Yeah, haven't gotten laid for some time now, so plenty of time for research hehehe :)
When i came to PH, due to time issues, i could only go with bar girls and as i lived more often here and had time to date the regular girls, i found many of the Filipinas characters to be similar.
What i once thought was --------the reason she is so good, polite and respectful to me is 'cos she is a bar girl, she wants my money, her approach would naturally be one of respect for her customers and obey his orders cos he will give her money and she has no choice but to be sweet to her customers.
Man, How wrong I was, 'cos back in India, it never happened to me that a regular girl would respect me as much as a bar girl would, even though the bar girl would respect me only for the money. double down
I always had a similar experience dating a non bar girl for one night stand or for a weekly or monthly relation, it was me who would break up with them, cos i wanted to taste anew :)
Regular Filipina girls approach to me, their behavior was almost always was similar to the way a bar girl approached.
However, The asshole of a man that i'm, i doubted the initial regular girls approach to me as some kinda hidden agenda for a LTR or money.
So, after one night or rather one hour stand, i would make an excuse and get out of the situation and the girl will calmly leave. Mission accomplished or so would i think.
I always looked at their behavior suspeciouslly, rejected many of their sincere approach.
I went as far as to accuse many of the regular girls for being a bar girl in the past 'cos it was impossible for me to get my head around that regular girls could be as same as bar girls.
Even though most of the girls were average looking ones, i still remember, purposely drawing a line with couple of knock outs, cos i refused to believe she could be this good and not have a hidden agenda and that too with an Indian.
Ohh Man, I still feel so bad for thinking all in a negative way.
It was my dis-respect and ignorance to earlier Filipina women, which i still regret.
As we say, We can take a bar girl out of the bar, but never the bar out of a bar girl.
They would say, We can take a Monger out of the bar, but never the bar out of a Monger, We will always think shitty and negative first.
I still remember going out to one of Malate bars with a knock out Filipina and no sooner i go to toilet all the waiters will huddle up and ask her if she is ok hanging out with an Indian.
After been drunk, i even accused her of been a hooker and trying to take my money. I just couldn't simply believe with all my past experiences that i could land such a regular girl and that too the one which would do everything that i wanted and respect me so much.
It was really hard for me to come out of the bar mentality.
The point i'm making is, it is perfectly natural for her to behave the way she is behaving right now, if she wasn't a bar girl she would most likely be the same.
In short, she is not a FAKE.
In saying that, i'm not implying that she will not con you or will love you more. The chance of her conning you or loving you more is as same as any regular girl would anywhere in the world, simply because She is a Women After All.
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This is the Cultural difference we need to understand. The reason so many of us are here is a testimony that the culture of Filipina women is at least better than what we had back home.
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Even if she was not a bar girl, she would have responded the same way to the Japanese guy or any other man.
She is for your taking, If only you want her. She will come more close to you, the more close to her you go.
If you tell her not to contact anyone else but you, you can bet, she will not ever, but most of us will have doubt believing the above line, simply because of our monger in a bar mentality, we will always have hard time believing that a women cannot cheat.
Even though, she told you about the guy, without you asking for it, this speaks for itself.
Is there any other way to approach a healthy relationship with out any prejudice and assumptions ?
I think you have done the right thing by being open to her about the relationship and how you want it to be. I think your approach was positive.
I could write on and on but that would all be assuming from now :)
Good Luck
Starchild2012
07-19-09, 17:25
I have spent a lot of time drinking with Filipino's (purely for research purposes, you will understand:D), and picking their brains for hints on understanding the Filipina psyche. I can assure you that they are as baffled and mystified as the rest of us.
The alcohol addled consensus is usually the same, and although not couched in these exact words, is that you are best adopting the 3 F's approach and not to waste time trying to understand the imponderable.
But there again the average Filipino is shamelessly promiscuous and in mongering terms, would leave most of us supposedly experienced practitioners well in their wake!!
Was just implying that it would be a sensible thing to ask a Filipino after all, didn't know that it has gone that far :)
Tungsten Chef
07-20-09, 04:45
We couldn't wait no longer for the parents to get the wedding plans going in Bayugan City. The only price we got was 90 thousand peso, a bit too much for that town. The call went out to auntie and uncle in Bantayin Island. They would head to Cebu and help with the plans.
Our first roadblock to the altar was the "certificate of legal capacity". My wife kept telling me to get whatever I needed here in Canada. What did I know?? Off I went to the bureau of vital statistics to have a marraige search done. Cost was 60$. Next up was a document from the Philippine Consulate here. Another 38$. I figured everything was ok for this. Not.
It wasn't the proper paperwork. We had to make an appointment with the Canadian Consul(Embassy) in Cebu which would be a couple days later. The worst thing was the 10 day posting was now too late. We didn't have enough time to get the legal capacity and have the waiting period for the marraige to be posted.
I ended up dishing out another 2000p for the paper. I paid the Sarossa Hotel in full for the reception. Worst case scenario we have to have a civil wedding if we don't get the marraige license. No way I'm losing big bucks if the wedding can't be held in a church. But wait, here comes another relative. Auntie who suggested the Sarossa(man, that was a mistake) knew a judge. The wedding would be saved, but at a price.
I'm thinking maybe 15 thousand p for all. Well it was only 6000p for the judge. Auntie made 1000p and her friend who helped out got 600p. I'm not bringing this up cause I'm a cheap guy. Just want guys to know that letting the folks in Phils take care of business might cost you a bit more money in the end.
I'm thinking maybe 15 thousand p for all. Well it was only 6000p for the judge. Auntie made 1000p and her friend who helped out got 600p. I'm not bringing this up cause I'm a cheap guy. Just want guys to know that letting the folks in Phils take care of business might cost you a bit more money in the end.
I used a fiancee visa and got married in Las Vegas. The preacher was dressed as Elvis.
Slim
I used a fiancee visa and got married in Las Vegas. The preacher was dressed as Elvis.
Slim
Fucking awesome! The Elvis thing I mean.
Gentlemen,
I have just about made all the arrangements for my diving and more trip to Puerto Galera. Something came up today that kind of stopped me in my tracks.
The dive center I am working with doesn't take credit cards, which leaves me stunned. They also told me there is no ATM on the island....now I am trying to figure out about how much cash I should bring along for the trip....
I have no idea what I should expect to pay for LT/ST plus bar fine there or what is a normal per night expenditure. I don't tend to drink a lot especially if I am going diving the next day, but do enjoy a decent meal and a bit of fun.
I am also trying to decide whether to see what is available once I am there or make some arrangements to bring my own entertainment along. I haven't seen a lot of info about Galera or Sabang on the forum, but would appreciate any info you guys might want to share. I know this is kind of vague, but I don't know enough to ask more specific questions....
TIA
Sky
Rubio Tonto
07-20-09, 20:26
You'll have to make do with cash. You can get a cash advance on your credit card at the Tourist/Business Center in Sabang Beach. They'll charge you a hefty fee, something like 7 or 8%. That's in addition to what your credit card bank will charge you back home. If you do bring enough cash before you get there, and if after one night you like your lodging, I'd suggest paying for the remainder of your lodging in advance in order to better plan out your cash outlay.
Makeupaname
07-21-09, 00:16
by 'spying' do you mean you have set your friendster to private mode? if you are
not in private mode then she can see that you have viewed her profile.
this is what I was able to figure out by 'spying' on her Friendster as well as that of her sister.
She's also changed her status to 'single', and looking for 'friends'. Interesting.
By the way, she still doesn't know that I'm aware of her Friendster. She now has six friends, four of them being siblings, one being her female friend (who, I must say is very hot with a super duper rack), and lastly, the man I mentioned in my previous report, "Dan".
Anyway, I never mentioned to her that I knew of Dan or her Friendster
Nightrider1
07-21-09, 02:00
i have been a 12 time visitor to phil and come for 7 weeks at a time every 6 months. i started with mostly p4p but moved into the chat sites of filipina heart and dia to line up more normal girls who i enjoyed better than professionals especially as i get older. well last sept i met an 18 yr old on dia who worked as a internet cafe attendent so we had lots of time to chat when she was not waiting on customers. got closer and closer and met in march. fell for her big time cause she is honest as the day is long and never lies to me. even if we have a 48 yr differance in age it did not matter to her or me.. i did not have sex with her cause she was a virgin but we did everything else. very horny girl.. i agreed to send her to college as she had no means to do it herself. father died 4 years ago and mother barely eeking out a living in gen san. so i paid for this semester of tuition plus the cost of a boarding house and books and fees too. she still had her dia profile and yahoo too and i knew she was chatting with others but did not expect her to meet in person anyone else although i told her she could if she wanted too. we chat on yahoo every day usually about my upcoming trip in august to see her again. well last week she tells me " my friends say that virginity is important to foregners is that true " i said to some it is and to some not. she said " is it important to you " at that time i knew she had been fucked. as i said she is honest ,and she said she met a guy who had sent her mssg in dia. they had never chatted before so he was basically a stranger to her .they met at the mall and had dinner and then they went to his hotel and watched tv and after a while he started kissing her ,and she got horny to use her words. she said she told him to stop when he started to go inside her and she cried but he did not stop.finally he said " relax i am already inside you " well to say the least i am devastated hearing this. of course now all the regret e-mails and chats are coming and how she did not expect him to fuck her and take her virginity because we both talked about me doing it in august when i come there. and i can see that it was basically a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) from how she explains it. i am having a hard time getting over this and just wonder if any of you feel i should just say go to hell or if this senario is believable. i do still have feelings for her even now because of how she is when she is with me, and i also feel sorry for her that this happened to her without her consent, but i dont want to be a sucker and a sap and taken advantage of either. you can reply on the forum or with private mssg
Chocha Monger
07-21-09, 03:10
i have been a 12 time visitor to phil and come for 7 weeks at a time every 6 months. i started with mostly p4p but moved into the chat sites of filipina heart and dia to line up more normal girls who i enjoyed better than professionals especially as i get older. well last sept i met an 18 yr old on dia who worked as a internet cafe attendent so we had lots of time to chat when she was not waiting on customers. got closer and closer and met in march. fell for her big time cause she is honest as the day is long and never lies to me. even if we have a 48 yr differance in age it did not matter to her or me.. i did not have sex with her cause she was a virgin but we did everything else. very horny girl.. i agreed to send her to college as she had no means to do it herself. father died 4 years ago and mother barely eeking out a living in gen san. so i paid for this semester of tuition plus the cost of a boarding house and books and fees too. she still had her dia profile and yahoo too and i knew she was chatting with others but did not expect her to meet in person anyone else although i told her she could if she wanted too. we chat on yahoo every day usually about my upcoming trip in august to see her again. well last week she tells me " my friends say that virginity is important to foregners is that true " i said to some it is and to some not. she said " is it important to you " at that time i knew she had been fucked. as i said she is honest ,and she said she met a guy who had sent her mssg in dia. they had never chatted before so he was basically a stranger to her .they met at the mall and had dinner and then they went to his hotel and watched tv and after a while he started kissing her ,and she got horny to use her words. she said she told him to stop when he started to go inside her and she cried but he did not stop.finally he said " relax i am already inside you " well to say the least i am devastated hearing this. of course now all the regret e-mails and chats are coming and how she did not expect him to fuck her and take her virginity because we both talked about me doing it in august when i come there. and i can see that it was basically a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) from how she explains it. i am having a hard time getting over this and just wonder if any of you feel i should just say go to hell or if this senario is believable. i do still have feelings for her even now because of how she is when she is with me, and i also feel sorry for her that this happened to her without her consent, but i dont want to be a sucker and a sap and taken advantage of either. you can reply on the forum or with private mssg
nightrider1,
let's suppose she is really telling the truth and i doubt that. do you really want to get involved with a girl who has no self control? i mean she went to a stranger's room. he fondled her, she got "very horny" and he fucked the snot out of her. if she was very horny she wanted to fuck period. she was aroused! the guy didn't slap her, rip her drawers off and then furiously ram his dick into her. his dick had already started going into her pussy when she supposedly protested. if she did protest it was most likely out of discomfort from being penetrated for the first time rather than being due to any thoughts of being faithful to you. there wasn't any [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) involved. now that her cherry is popped she is worried that she will lose your financial support. she came clean because you'd have found out anyway when you fucked her.
i can tell already that no matter what anyone says you'll still support this girl. in your post you've basically made excuses for her actions. and it's your business if you want to keep putting up with her shit. we're not here to judge you brother but you asked for honest opinions. so i'll tell you straight. realize that this girl is just another poor fuckhole who is happy to take your money. you can choose to fuck her and get your money's worth then ditch her.
the other option is to continue wasting money on her. i've seen this weak virgin personality before. this is not the last time she'll get fucked. other guys will get her horny and fuck her again. it will never be her fault. it will always the guys' fault for getting her horny and putting their dicks in her pussy. each time she'll confess and each time you'll forgive her. you'll feel betrayed but you'll search for some reason to forgive even though you know that you shouldn't. the cycle of being a cuckhold will continue until she breaks you or takes off with some young fucker willing to marry and support her. then you'll be left contemplating the meaning of life.
it's a long road from a message on dia to the point where a dick was entering her pussy. she made that journey and she'll make it again and again. don't let the dead daddy thing fuck with your mind. you can't save her from herself. if you haven't read "private dancer" by stephen leather please do. it will make you feel a lot better about the situation. get the free download here and good luck! http://www.stephenleather.com/privatedancer.html
Member #4214
07-21-09, 03:29
She said she told him to stop when he started to go inside her and she cried but he did not stop.Finally he said " relax i am already inside you " Well to say the least I am devastated hearing this. Of course now all the regret e-mails and chats are coming and how she did not expect him to fuck her and take her virginity because we both talked about me doing it in August when i come there ...
Young girls can be frighteningly naive. Don't let cynical mongers deceive you otherwise. Her naivete is apparent in her bald honesty to a depraved monger like yourself. Moreover, your more innocent play with her set her up with unrealistic expectations - she likely didn't expect much different from this guy. So in that way, your experience with her kind of set her up for this fall.
The way I see it, you are now in the catbird seat. Lets face it, breaking a hymen is messy and painful. It is just a drag. But those months immediately after are pure ambrosia because it is when she discovers how enjoyable it can be. I would tell her what she did was wrong, but you can forgive her naivete if she commits to you completely. That means she has a responsibility not to go into a private setting with any other guy. If you really want her to be yours, that is. That's what I'd do ... but we are all different.
Lustforthrust
07-21-09, 03:36
.. i did not have sex with her cause she was a virgin...
R.O.T.F.L.M.A.O.
by 'spying' do you mean you have set your friendster to private mode? if you are
not in private mode then she can see that you have viewed her profile.
Don't worry, I got all that taken care of. I used to be a bit of a computer geek back in the day, and still am, just not as much as some of my friends are now. I even have friends who work at MySpace and I even met "Tom" at MySpace headquarters a few years ago. He's dating Chinese model, Tony Leigh who happens to be my friend's friend.
As for my Friendster: not only is it in 'private' mode, it is set-up with a fake name, fake e-mail, and fake pics (of a good looking guy who, by looking at photos, appears to travel a lot and has money). I also messaged her on the site w/ the fake account and she never responded.
I did add her to my new, 'real' Friendster the other day, and today she did put a comment on my page saying "I love you", which I don't believe, but it's still nice.
fell for her big time cause she is honest as the day is long and never lies to me. even if we have a 48 yr differance in age it did not matter to her or me.. i did not have sex with her cause she was a virgin but we did everything else. very horny girl.. i agreed to send her to college as she had no means to do it herself. father died 4 years ago and mother barely eeking out a living in gen san.
so i paid for this semester of tuition plus the cost of a boarding house and books and fees too. she still had her dia profile and yahoo too and i knew she was chatting with others but did not expect her to meet in person anyone else although i told her she could if she wanted too.
they met at the mall and had dinner and then they went to his hotel and watched tv and after a while he started kissing her ,and she got horny to use her words. she said she told him to stop when he started to go inside her and she cried but he did not stop.finally he said " relax i am already inside you " well to say the least i am devastated hearing this.
of course now all the regret e-mails and chats are coming and how she did not expect him to fuck her and take her virginity because we both talked about me doing it in august when i come there. and i can see that it was basically a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) from how she explains it.
i am having a hard time getting over this and just wonder if any of you feel i should just say go to hell or if this senario is believable. i do still have feelings for her even now because of how she is when she is with me, and i also feel sorry for her that this happened to her without her consent, but i dont want to be a sucker and a sap and taken advantage of either. you can reply on the forum or with private mssg
nightrider a filipina who has no intentions of sleeping with a man would never go to room alone to be with him. just because she does go to your room alone does not guarantee sex either but if she is willing be alone with you then she is inviting the inevitable.
i met a chat mate in cebu back in 08. a nurse even sitting with me in the lobby of the marriot she was visibly nervous. i am sure if i would have asked her to come up to my room she would have fainted. this is the type of filipina one must seek. i gave up on her though due to other commitments.
furthermore a lot of filipinas know virginity is something valued in the philippines especially to filipino men though times are changing. once she gives up her virginity she has already killed her chances of finding decent filipino guy. some are so naïve that they try to use their pussy as a sign of love. smart filipinas know this is not the case. i have met more than few filipinas who some guy pledged his undying love and then after popping her ran off into sun set sometime leaving them with child.
you paid her tuition, housing, etc…. and this is how she repaid you by letting some random guy deflower her? you have did more than enough and it just burns me up when i see what seems like good guys getting taking for ride by ungrateful people. nightrider… man to man….drop her like she is a hot plate you just grabbed.
Chocha Monger
07-21-09, 06:12
Nightrider,
Do yourself a favor and dump that fuckhole. You support her financially and she allows a total stranger to climb up on her and fuck her like a b*tch in heat. What the fuck is that? Don't let other guys convince you to support pussy for other mongers to fuck. You courted her and supported her all the while being the consummate gentleman. Then what does she do? She goes and spreads her [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) flaps for some monger who just waltzed into town. That's the extent of her consideration for you. This b*tch has demonstrated that she has no pedigree.
Several years ago a friend of mine found himself in a situation much like yours. The girl was a virgin and he failed to fuck her out antiquated notions of chivalry. Well, someone else busted her open for him. He forgave her. He kept supporting her financially. He even rented a house out for her. The accidental fuckings continued. He always forgave her. Then one day he walked in on a thug fucking his beloved young fucklet. He asked the guy to leave and he was nearly given a good beating for his trouble. That finally woke him up. She left for Canada. A year later she was deported and called my friend reminiscing about the "good times" she had with him. Thankfully by then he had gotten over her. He wished her good luck living in her shit hole and hung up the phone.
Cunning Stunt
07-21-09, 07:00
...but there really is no fool like an old fool:(. And I guess you know it!
The advice has been 100% that you ditch her and I would agree with that. It really should have been you, who invested the time, effort and money, who ought to have been first in there, not some casual one-night stander. That is assuming that she was as virginal as she claimed which, in view of the ease with which she 'lost' it, I am inclined to doubt.
Bet that you wish that you had not been such a gallant gentleman now! But put it down to experience and move on. Despite repeated warnings and sob stories regarding the perfidy of these girls, you never really believe it until it has happened to you.
Mind you, on the plus side, she did admit to her 'mistake', when she could have kept quiet. Why did she do that, I wonder?
P.S On a completely different topic - its not just their pussies that they want to sell.
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ap/20090720/tap-as-philippines-kidney-trade-fe2a5de.html
Lustforthrust
07-21-09, 08:15
He claims he didn't do her because she was a virgin, but did everything else and then goes on the add that they had agreed to pop her cherry in August when he got there.
I think the question is: what did and do you expect, Nightrider? She's 48 years younger than you, right!? Please grant her to be deflowered by a guy in her age!
Anyhow, do you expect that she will be yours till you die?
If you want to send her money - do so! But do it because you like her, don't expect anything in return (i.p. "love") and don't make her a prostitute who has to go to bed with a so much older guy on a regular base. She will only make it for the money, that's for sure - if she's nice with you or not.
Sorry, but be honest with you!! Support her but don't expect anything in return.
Just my opinion,
Shamuc
Yellow Fever #2
07-21-09, 08:45
i have been a 12 time visitor to phil and come for 7 weeks at a time every 6 months. i started with mostly p4p but moved into the chat sites of filipina heart and dia to line up more normal girls who i enjoyed better than professionals especially as i get older. well last sept i met an 18 yr old on dia who worked as a internet cafe attendent so we had lots of time to chat when she was not waiting on customers. got closer and closer and met in march. fell for her big time cause she is honest as the day is long and never lies to me. even if we have a 48 yr differance in age it did not matter to her or me.. i did not have sex with her cause she was a virgin but we did everything else. very horny girl.. i agreed to send her to college as she had no means to do it herself. father died 4 years ago and mother barely eeking out a living in gen san. so i paid for this semester of tuition plus the cost of a boarding house and books and fees too. she still had her dia profile and yahoo too and i knew she was chatting with others but did not expect her to meet in person anyone else although i told her she could if she wanted too. we chat on yahoo every day usually about my upcoming trip in august to see her again. well last week she tells me " my friends say that virginity is important to foregners is that true " i said to some it is and to some not. she said " is it important to you " at that time i knew she had been fucked. as i said she is honest ,and she said she met a guy who had sent her mssg in dia. they had never chatted before so he was basically a stranger to her .they met at the mall and had dinner and then they went to his hotel and watched tv and after a while he started kissing her ,and she got horny to use her words. she said she told him to stop when he started to go inside her and she cried but he did not stop.finally he said " relax i am already inside you " well to say the least i am devastated hearing this. of course now all the regret e-mails and chats are coming and how she did not expect him to fuck her and take her virginity because we both talked about me doing it in august when i come there. and i can see that it was basically a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) from how she explains it. i am having a hard time getting over this and just wonder if any of you feel i should just say go to hell or if this senario is believable. i do still have feelings for her even now because of how she is when she is with me, and i also feel sorry for her that this happened to her without her consent, but i dont want to be a sucker and a sap and taken advantage of either. you can reply on the forum or with private mssg
i feel very sorry for your situation.
i think you are in for a world of hurt and heartache if you continue with this one. she is a lost cause. you can continue paying her college (high school equivalent) education if you want but dating filipina can be like burning cash. maybe you will get some personal satisfaction of helping her improve her life opportunities, but if she is like nearly any other pi girl, she will find a friend who will introduce her to the high-life of hong kong soon enough if she does not go for the local spots like la cafe or ac. if you give her enough money maybe she won't even need a manager when she makes her first trip to hong kong.
i've only met 2 types of filipina, the ones that sell themselves at home in the philippines and the ones that will only sell themselves outside of the country. there may be others but i have yet to meet them.
you have too romantic an ideal to be successful in your pursuit. (i've tried with filipina and failed too.)
i wish you all the best but i am skeptical of your future together.
if you really want her however, i suggest you get to the pi quickly and make your commitment to stay there with her.
you may also want to consider an out of work (retired) bg at least 35+yo, much closer to your age. with luck her kids have left home and are grown up. her experience and interests will more match yours and she will be much more fun. i guaranty you that she will be loyal and faithful to you.
I feel very sorry for your situation.
I think you are in for a world of hurt and heartache if you continue with this one. She is a lost cause. You can continue paying her College (high school equivalent) education if you want but dating Filipina can be like burning cash. Maybe you will get some personal satisfaction of helping her improve her life opportunities, but if she is like nearly any other PI girl, she will find a friend who will introduce her to the high-life of Hong Kong soon enough if she does not go for the local spots like LA Cafe or AC. If you give her enough money maybe she won't even need a manager when she makes her first trip to Hong Kong.
I've only met 2 types of Filipina, the ones that sell themselves at home in the Philippines and the ones that will only sell themselves outside of the country. There may be others but I have yet to meet them.
You have too romantic an ideal to be successful in your pursuit. (I've tried with Filipina and failed too.)
I wish you all the best but I am skeptical of your future together.
If you really want her however, I suggest you get to the PI quickly and make your commitment to stay there with her.
You may also want to consider an out of work (retired) BG at least 35+yo, much closer to your age. With luck her kids have left home and are grown up. Her experience and interests will more match yours and she will be much more fun. I guaranty you that she will be loyal and faithful to you.
I agree with your advise whole heartedly except for 1 point.
Not all Filippinas sell their bodies for cash, the problem is we only see this side of them there are lots of normal girls there, they might be a bit simpler in the way we view them but thats only because we use western standards but at the same time they survive on very little compared to what you and I could survive on for most of their lives and have raise children and have a full life.
Yellow Fever #2 the whole of Philippines is not LA Cafe, Wan Chai, Tongren Lu or OT.
Just like all of US is not the strip clubs of Vegas or all of Austalia is not Kings Cross or King Street.
Wizard
Chocha Monger
07-21-09, 09:11
I think the question is: what did and do you expect, Nightrider? She's 48 years younger than you, right!? Please grant her to be deflowered by a guy in her age!
Anyhow, do you expect that she will be yours till you die?
If you want to send her money - do so! But do it because you like her, don't expect anything in return (i.p. "love") and don't make her a prostitute who has to go to bed with a so much older guy on a regular base. She will only make it for the money, that's for sure - if she's nice with you or not.
Sorry, but be honest with you!! Support her but don't expect anything in return.
Just my opinion,
Shamuc
Nightrider,
Seriously, don't give this girl another penny unless you're the type of guy who gets turned on by watching strangers lay pipe to your girl. In that case you can PM Philippine mongers with her particulars because I'm sure that there quite a few who would like to call dibbs on her anal cherry. If you're not that sort of guy then let this girl go on her way. I understand that you enjoyed being benefactor to this fatherless waif, but she sees you more like a kindly doting generous grandfather rather than a true lover. Another disturbing factor is the way in which she nonchalantly gave her ass up for free in bed to a complete stranger on a first meeting. I think a real Filipina virgin would never have gone to a strange man's bedroom unchaperoned. This plus the whole ease with which his cock went in her (she asked him to stop but it was already in) sounds like girlie has a real Grand Canyon there. It seems like the guy's cock fell in rather than wedged in. There is a BIG hole in her story.
Another thing is that this girl works in an internet cafe. You don't think that she may have learned the game from the countless girls that use the internet cafes to work foreign water buffaloes for money? These girls know how to play the honesty game by giving you just enough information to gain your trust. There's an old saying, "Give an old goat enough rope and he'll hang himself."
A great post by Shamuc. Some very pointed questions which everyone should ask themselves if they feel in the marrying mood.
For those who have been very critical, I can only assume you've learned the hard way.
I had a fun night with a (Lapu factory employee met at CB) girl who claimed to be a virgin...and there was no penetration. Damn, I was so close! She had planned to go to her hometown about two hours out of town the next day and I presumed that I would never see her again.
The next night I hit Sunshine with and old EDSA friend (long story) and had the sense (lucky?) to ask her about my previous night's dilemma.
She just looked at me with her dreamy eyes, smiled, and said, "Did you believe her?."
I stuttered out an affirmative reply, but my confidence had quaked. (She was very good at that kind of thing, bless her heart). Looking at her (we were buck naked in bed) I could see her amusement. She knew I'd been played and I could see it in her eyes.
So, I sent a text to the so-called virgin and asked her if she'd like to spend more time together. She made it to my room in record time. I plugged her immediately and called her bluff. She came clean. (Illogic, you understand those idioms or should I give you a link to Idiom or Urban dictionary?)
One night in Cebu and the next two at Alona beach, and one unfortunately bloody bonk three months later ...it was great fun. Both ladies are apparently now married in some Western country. Bless their hearts.
X
I think the question is: what did and do you expect, Nightrider? She's 48 years younger than you, right!? Please grant her to be deflowered by a guy in her age!
Anyhow, do you expect that she will be yours till you die?
If you want to send her money - do so! But do it because you like her, don't expect anything in return (i.p. "love") and don't make her a prostitute who has to go to bed with a so much older guy on a regular base. She will only make it for the money, that's for sure - if she's nice with you or not.
Sorry, but be honest with you!! Support her but don't expect anything in return.
Just my opinion,
Shamuc
Yellow Fever #2
07-21-09, 10:57
I agree with your advise whole heartedly except for 1 point.
Not all Filippinas sell their bodies for cash, the problem is we only see this side of them there are lots of normal girls there, they might be a bit simpler in the way we view them but thats only because we use western standards but at the same time they survive on very little compared to what you and I could survive on for most of their lives and have raise children and have a full life.
I agree, my comment was a bit harsh but I left open the proviso that 'there may be other types'.
It's true, they can and do survive on next to nothing.
Of those that travel abroad to ply their trade, it's a tiny a few that can earn more than just to pay their back home expenses -the more they earn, the more relatives they end up supporting. None of them can save a penny and their career is too short. (I have seen some ancient Thais with fantastic bodies in Hong Kong, Wanchai last night but their value is far depressed).
Typical PI bar girl resume:
'Plenty of travel experience, Singapore, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Kuala Lumpur, Bali. Worked as bar girl in various cities over 7 years. Looking for a position at SM Hypermarket and a husband to take care of me.'
IMO, I feel sorry for them but I will enjoy them anyways. Although it may not do much good, I point out (especially to the newly traveled girls) that this new career is not useful for their future and they most likely will not benefit from this 'work'. Living in Hong Kong gives me exposure to scores of new BGs fresh from the farm on their first overseas experience.
Yellow Fever #2 the whole of Philippines is not LA Cafe, Wan Chai, Tongren Lu or OT.
Just like all of US is not the strip clubs of Vegas or all of Austalia is not Kings Cross or King Street.
Wizard
I've never mongered in the PI but I'd really like to try LA Cafe and the Havana Bar, EDSA etc.
The other places you mentioned are some of my favorite pilgrimage places in the world. I'd add Beach Club/Thai Bar in KL and Sukhimvit in BKK.
I still have alot to learn.
Dodger Bulldog
07-21-09, 11:48
well last week she tells me " my friends say that virginity is important to foregners is that true " i said to some it is and to some not. she said " is it important to you " at that time i knew she had been fucked. as i said she is honest ,and she said she met a guy who had sent her mssg in dia. they had never chatted before so he was basically a stranger to her .they met at the mall and had dinner and then they went to his hotel and watched tv and after a while he started kissing her ,and she got horny to use her words. she said she told him to stop when he started to go inside her and she cried but he did not stop.finally he said " relax i am already inside you " c'mon guys, please don't be so hard on old nightrider.
i totally understand the poor girl.
after all, every time i am trying to be true to my fiance and maintain my virginity, the first thing i do is rush off to meet some strange from "date in asia.com," just like she did.
if someone messages me wanting to hook up, i'm not actually expected to say no, am i? what, just because i'm in love?
get real. who could resist?
i also like to test my fidelity to my fiance by going to the mall and dinner with these strangers, then to the hotel, just to watch television together.
especially in the nude.
it's the only way i know to prove to myself how much i really love my fiance.
i would never consider marrying someone until i have been alone in a hotel room naked together with a stranger. maybe even several times.
and when this strange naked girl starts kissing on me i always get all horny and shit, too. to use nightrider's fiance's words.
next thing you know, there it is: a cock is already whaling away inside a pussy and no one has a fucking clue how it ever even got in there.
but once it's already inside her, then i can relax.
cuz there is no earthly reason to bother stopping until after a man has cum really good. might could cause blue balls or something.
as you can see, from the way i explain it, i feel just lke nightrider's girlfriend did:
and i can see that it was basically a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) from how she explains it. there you have it.
basically a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
but for some reason nightrider's fiance and i always forget to report it to the police.
much better, i think, to make a quick call my fiance to share the news, just like she did. this pretense of "honesty" always seems to relieve any guilt i might have over putting myself into that position in the first place.
and it even gives me a little extra thrill to see how uncomfortable it makes the old coot. the more "devastated" she is, the more i know how much she still loves me.
now that i've read about nightrider's fiance, i don't feel so bad any more. it seems like this same shit just keeps happening all over the world.
every single time i am obsessed about protecting my virginity for the most special person in the world to me, i end up naked in a hotel room with my cock up some stranger's pussy.
damn it.
p. t. barnum said there is a sucker born every day. nightrider's fiance and i surely are a couple of those dumb suckers aren't we?
thank god he's not, though.
so c'mon guys, please don't be so hard on old nightrider.
db
Yellow Fever #2
07-21-09, 13:05
i have been a 12 time visitor to phil and come for 7 weeks at a time every 6 months. i started with mostly p4p but moved into the chat sites of filipina heart and dia to line up more normal girls who i enjoyed better than professionals especially as i get older. well last sept i met an 18 yr old on dia who worked as a internet cafe attendent so we had lots of time to chat when she was not waiting on customers. got closer and closer and met in march. fell for her big time cause she is honest as the day is long and never lies to me. even if we have a 48 yr differance in age it did not matter to her or me.. i did not have sex with her cause she was a virgin but we did everything else. very horny girl.. i agreed to send her to college as she had no means to do it herself. father died 4 years ago and mother barely eeking out a living in gen san. so i paid for this semester of tuition plus the cost of a boarding house and books and fees too. she still had her dia profile and yahoo too and i knew she was chatting with others but did not expect her to meet in person anyone else although i told her she could if she wanted too. we chat on yahoo every day usually about my upcoming trip in august to see her again. well last week she tells me " my friends say that virginity is important to foregners is that true " i said to some it is and to some not. she said " is it important to you " at that time i knew she had been fucked. as i said she is honest ,and she said she met a guy who had sent her mssg in dia. they had never chatted before so he was basically a stranger to her .they met at the mall and had dinner and then they went to his hotel and watched tv and after a while he started kissing her ,and she got horny to use her words. she said she told him to stop when he started to go inside her and she cried but he did not stop.finally he said " relax i am already inside you " well to say the least i am devastated hearing this. of course now all the regret e-mails and chats are coming and how she did not expect him to fuck her and take her virginity because we both talked about me doing it in august when i come there. and i can see that it was basically a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) from how she explains it. i am having a hard time getting over this and just wonder if any of you feel i should just say go to hell or if this senario is believable. i do still have feelings for her even now because of how she is when she is with me, and i also feel sorry for her that this happened to her without her consent, but i dont want to be a sucker and a sap and taken advantage of either. you can reply on the forum or with private mssg
it was almost too good to be true. you've waited a long time to lose your virginity (48 years longer than your girl) and your beloved pi web girl has waited too for you, until this unfortunate incident.
i suggest you avail yourself to any of your local prostitutes or escort services and take advantage of their services. i believe you can find addresses and other information at the following website: www.internationalsexguide.info.
you should find the resources contained on that website useful.
this way you will even the score. she got their first but you can get even, maybe even win.
please describe in full detail your first experience.
Fuck Me! you guys are harsh!
Nightrider 1, please read "private dancer". It will clear up all your questions.
Funny part about that read is some of the lines from the story were taken directly from conversations I have had with BG's. Even though the story was written 15 years ago. How is that still relevant?
Every time my babyko says, "you the only one mahalko", I reply, "of course baby, and you the only one for me also". Followed by more inane dribble.
Just remind yourself of the 3 F's (or get a tattoo) and you should do fine.
To Yellow Fever 2
Don't worry about whether she is a virgin or not.
Hard to say whether she was a real cherry girl. Lots of girls pretend to be cherries so that they do not want to be fucked by you. They do exploit your generosity and sob story about their family maybe just that. I have yet to see a Phi girl who say no to money and I have dated many normal girls. But I would be damned supporting a girl without sex cherry or not. along the way I have had couple of cherry girls. I made it clear to them that sex is part of the deal. They agreed. Kept the relationship for a while. Yes, did support them.
If she is a real virgin obviously she is not in love with you enough to give it to you. Never support a girl whatever the story is unless you want to be taken advantage of.
I have been a 12 time visitor to Phil and come for 7 weeks at a time every 6 months. i started with mostly P4P but moved into the chat sites of filipina heart and DIA to line up more normal girls who I enjoyed better than professionals especially as i get older. a hard time getting over this and just wonder if any of you feel I should just say go to hell or if this senario is believable. i do still have feelings for her even now because of how she is when she is with me, and I also feel sorry for her that this happened to her without her consent, but i dont want to be a sucker and a sap and taken advantage of either. You can reply on the forum or with private mssgNightrider,
I feel sorry for you you are a very good man, but take it on the positive side now that she had lost her cherry you can f. Her and feel no guilt about it just grab her by the ears and f. Her face or do anything you dream of, she owed to you, be her monger mentor and please do not feel sorry for her you are giving her a lot more than she can give you in return and if you are not able to understand this well I think that you have a serious problem you should consult a monger phsychologist
P. S. Dodger bulldog, Yellow fever you guys are simply hilarious just rofl reading your reply
Chocha Monger
07-21-09, 20:13
guys i’m going to be rich! i found nightrider’s girlfriend and she agreed to sell me her story. i think it’s going to be a bestseller. eat your heart out stephen leather! lol
nightrider’s girlfriend:
i meet nightrider on dateinasia.com while i waste time at work in internet café. the other girls who come to café to use internet show me how they get a lot of money from internet boyfriends. so i put profile on dia and i meet nightrider. we chat too much. i tell nightrider that my papa die 4 years ago and i have no one take care of me now. i tell him i want go college but no money and poor mama work like dog in gen san. nightrider get so sad he say he going to pay me go to college. nightrider like good grandfather to me. he come see me and we have lots of fun. nightrider want fuck me but i tell him me virgin. he say okay he wait but he want fuck me in august. i not really want fuck nightrider that why i say him i have cherry. i know if i tell nightrider no fucky he no pay my college. so i tell him i no care he so old and i love him too much. he like to hear me say that. after nightrider leave philippines me so horny. i go on dia and this guy say he want meet me in his hotel room. i saving virginity for nightrider so me say okay. i only 18 years old and nightrider fuck too much woman. what he think i save cherry for him? when i get over to hotel room i see young handsome tall kano with blue eyes. my pussy get drip drop wet because now i really horny. he take me to mall and we go eat. when we get back to room he kiss me and i get so horny next thing i know we both lying in bed with no clothes on. he put his big dick in my pussy and i cry a little because it hurt real good. he say shut up and relax because dick already inside me. i tell him okay fuck me good and cum because i no what him get blue balls. he fuck me bareback and shoot his load in my pussy but i know if i get pregnant nightrider take care of me and baby because he love me too much.
well after guy leave i tell nightrider. he love me so much he tell me everything guy fault. he say guy [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me. nightrider number one other guy get mad and call me a hoe but not nightrider. he understand me very horny girl and i just go to hotel room alone to talk to stranger and he [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me. he say he so happy he have honest girl like me. he not even ask why i not fight guy and go to police. he nice old water buffalo he believe everything i say.
Nightrider1
07-21-09, 20:53
Just want to say I know when you post anything you open yourself up to whatever anyone wants to say to you here. Both the sympathetic posts and the hasher ones that basically say I am a dumb fuck for believing anything that comes out of her mouth. I did have some of the same questions such as why did'nt you put your fingernails into his back or grab his balls or try in some way to get away. Short nails ( I know this to be true ) And she said she was just crying and shocked that it was happening. And also thought he would stop when she said it hurt but he did'nt. I know this to be true as well because in March when I was with her we tried and it hurt her too much so I pulled back. To elaborate more on this whole scenario i have her DIA login and password so I looked at this guys profile and sent him a mssg just saying he and I know the same girl and I just wanted to know how he felt fucking a young girl who asks you to stop when she is crying. He was online at the time and the next thing I typed was " I hope your proud of yourself and now you can go back home and tell your buddies how you fucked an 18 yr old virgin who was crying,Damn what a manly man you are" 20 seconds later it says his profile has been deleted so evidently he did not like what I was saying and did not dispute it to me by sending any mssgs back. So bottom line, I believe what she is saying actually happened to her even if some of you have doubts.
Radical Guy
07-21-09, 21:12
to elaborate more on this whole scenario i have her dia login and password so i looked at this guys profile and sent him a mssg just saying he and i know the same girl and i just wanted to know how he felt fucking a young girl who asks you to stop when she is crying. he was online at the time and the next thing i typed was " i hope your proud of yourself and now you can go back home and tell your buddies how you fucked an 18 yr old virgin who was crying,damn what a manly man you are" 20 seconds later it says his profile has been deleted so evidently he did not like what i was saying and did not dispute it to me by sending any mssgs back. so bottom line, i believe what she is saying actually happened to her even if some of you have doubts.please don't take this the wrong way, but this guy's reaction is not evidence that he raped the girl or acted improperly. he may have simply wanted to avoid any confrontation or trouble. there are so many horror stories where foreign men are falsely accused of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) in the philippines as a way to extort money from them. perhaps he is still in the philippines and is terrified at the prospect of being accused of a crime. after all, it is his word against that of your miss purity.
in any case, i must say that if i received an email on dia from some guy accusing me of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or whatever, i would certainly not respond, and may even decide to delete my profile to avoid any possibility of hassles.
of course, it is also possible that the young lady was raped, but i must agree with most posts that the girl's story doesn't seem to ring true.
rg
Chocha Monger
07-21-09, 22:22
Just want to say I know when you post anything you open yourself up to whatever anyone wants to say to you here. Both the sympathetic posts and the hasher ones that basically say I am a dumb fuck for believing anything that comes out of her mouth. I did have some of the same questions such as why did'nt you put your fingernails into his back or grab his balls or try in some way to get away. Short nails ( I know this to be true ) And she said she was just crying and shocked that it was happening. And also thought he would stop when she said it hurt but he did'nt. I know this to be true as well because in March when I was with her we tried and it hurt her too much so I pulled back. To elaborate more on this whole scenario i have her DIA login and password so I looked at this guys profile and sent him a mssg just saying he and I know the same girl and I just wanted to know how he felt fucking a young girl who asks you to stop when she is crying. He was online at the time and the next thing I typed was " I hope your proud of yourself and now you can go back home and tell your buddies how you fucked an 18 yr old virgin who was crying,Damn what a manly man you are" 20 seconds later it says his profile has been deleted so evidently he did not like what I was saying and did not dispute it to me by sending any mssgs back. So bottom line, I believe what she is saying actually happened to her even if some of you have doubts.
Nightrider,
You seem more upset over the fact that this fucked her hard that the fact that she went to his room to get fucked. That he didn't withdraw his cock like you did is a fairly minor detail. That she cried while being deflowered is of no consequence. She did not resist. She did not fight. She didn't scream bloody murder! She lay there and took it like a champ albeit with a few tears. If everyone pulled their dicks out of a pussy upon a virgin feeling a little discomfort all women would be virgins. But I digress.
What you're missing here is that your dear fucklet:
1. Agreed to meet this guy on DIA.
2. Met him alone in his hotel room.
3. Allowed him to kiss her.
4. Admitted she got horny.
5. Took her clothes off.
6. Got into bed and spread her legs.
7. Did not fight the fuck.
Now you're being a hero and tracking down the guy who fucked her because the fuck was maybe not as enjoyable as she expected. What are you going do in the future? Are you going to confront every guy who she spreads her [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) flaps for? What about the next guy who fucks her hard in the ass? Or the one who grabs her ears and cums down her throat as she gags? Are you going to confront them all until some crazy bastard hurts or kills you?
In my first response I said that no matter what we said on here you were going to continue supporting this girl. I had hoped that wasn't going to be the case for your own good. This girl is 18 yrs old and you're about 66 yrs old. How many 18 yr old girls at home are interested in you as a lover? If you want to see how much she loves you stop supporting her. Fuck her without giving her a dime and don't take her shopping or to restaurants. I guarantee you'll find out how much she loves real quick.
But you wouldn't do that because that young fresh kryptonite pussy got you weak. You'll find ways to defy logic. Hold on tight and enjoy the ride. Hopefully, you don't have any family at home that might suffer from the crash when it comes.
just want to say i know when you post anything you open yourself up to whatever anyone wants to say to you here. both the sympathetic posts and the hasher ones that basically say i am a dumb fuck for believing anything that comes out of her mouth. i did have some of the same questions such as why did'nt you put your fingernails into his back or grab his balls or try in some way to get away. short nails ( i know this to be true ) and she said she was just crying and shocked that it was happening. and also thought he would stop when she said it hurt but he did'nt. i know this to be true as well because in march when i was with her we tried and it hurt her too much so i pulled back. to elaborate more on this whole scenario i have her dia login and password so i looked at this guys profile and sent him a mssg just saying he and i know the same girl and i just wanted to know how he felt fucking a young girl who asks you to stop when she is crying. he was online at the time and the next thing i typed was " i hope your proud of yourself and now you can go back home and tell your buddies how you fucked an 18 yr old virgin who was crying,damn what a manly man you are" 20 seconds later it says his profile has been deleted so evidently he did not like what i was saying and did not dispute it to me by sending any mssgs back. so bottom line, i believe what she is saying actually happened to her even if some of you have doubts.
i do not believe she got raped. it is more like remorse to get more sympathy from you and ofcourse more money from you.
the man you confronted probably did not want to have a fight with you. i cannot believe you did this. it is not like she is your wife.
i know you are blinded by love. look at this scenario with clear eyes. you are her cash cow and you are eagerly waiting for her virginity when you go there. suddenly she realises she has no escape plan whether she was a really a virgin or not. now she hatches a plan. tells her lover that she does not want to loose the sponsorship from you and gives you her password. the guy does not respond and changes his profile. do you think anythink stinks here? if i were that person i would have told you the girl willingly had sex and she was not a virgin. and i would have said is it any of your business?
anybody can join dia whether real or not.
the girl probably told him you are going to get in touch with him. in all probability they are still communicating and it is not necessary to communicate through dia anymore. i have gotten in touch with some girls through dia and once we met there is no need to use dia to get in touch.
i had met a 18 year old girl from zamboanga who was a virgin. we were communicating for a while. while i was in ac i asked her if she wants to come and meet me in manila and i told her clearly i want sex. after some persuation she asked me to send money for the air ticket. i sent $150 thinking that it will never happen. i was really surprised when she sent me the copy of the ticket and i had to scramble to book hotel in manila. as promised she was a virgin and we had a great week together. i gave her some money and gifts. even now i spend few days with her when i go to philippines but i do not send money although she asked few times.
it is your own decision to continue your charity to her or have sex with her even though she is not a virgin. just do not fall for this mind games with girls from anywhere especially in philippines. if you want to marry a virgin in philippines keep looking.
GoodEnough
07-21-09, 23:57
There are about 90 million citizens of this country, and there are probably more stories than there are citizens of India and China combined. Some of them however, are true. The problem is that we have no way of differentiating the (mostly) exaggerated or downright false tales of woe we hear from the (occasionally) true stories, so we assume that everything we're told is a lie. because it's easier that way. The point of this semi-lucid rambling is that there's a chance that whatever this girl is saying is true and at the end of the day it's up to each of us to decide what to believe and to act accordingly.
In the end, our experiences are all different to some degree or another, and our response to what we hear will thus be different as well.
GE
ShadowAxis
07-22-09, 01:19
carmex - absolutely, should be required reading for any white guy in asia! i keep several copies on hand for friends who visit. the lessons within are equally applicable to the philippines.
http://www.amazon.com/private-dancer-stephen-leather/dp/9810539169
currently watching a close friend throw away his life and family away over some pi based 44 yo internet sex worker he met online. he supports her in the provinces via. monthly p50000 western union transfers, she never has enough money, "treats" all the relatives, can't handle basic budgeting (didn't pay her cable tv bill for six months - it got shut off during his last visit, he took care of it of course) - and every time she manages to do something right (usually by accident) i get the "look how great she is" speech. it's disturbing to watch and the people in his life are slowly losing all respect for the guy.
don't be that guy....
fuck me! you guys are harsh!
nightrider 1, please read "private dancer". it will clear up all your questions.
funny part about that read is some of the lines from the story were taken directly from conversations i have had with bg's. even though the story was written 15 years ago. how is that still relevant?
every time my babyko says, "you the only one mahalko", i reply, "of course baby, and you the only one for me also". followed by more inane dribble.
just remind yourself of the 3 f's (or get a tattoo) and you should do fine.
Member #4214
07-22-09, 01:46
i do not believe she got raped. it is more like remorse to get more sympathy ...
forming beliefs about total strangers based on third-person internet postings. wow ...
i think one truth many here have lost touch with is, there are many, many girls in phils who have been raised in 'good' homes and adhere to conservative mores and practices. you will simply never cross paths with them in angeles, in la cafe etc etc. they are not part of your world. when these girls cross paths with a seductive monger on his game, his interpretation of her words and actions is warped by his experience, and she can be completely oblivious to his machinations.
frankly, i love to seduce these kinds of girls and test how far along my avenue of depravity i can lure them. willingly of course, and with a big smile on their face, and a fat dollop of my love potion!
based on what the op posted, i still hold that the girl may have simply been a bit too naive, and fell to the concerted efforts of a callous monger-[CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126). if she was gaming the op, she had no reason to fess up until she absolutely had to (to keep the money train rolling.)
Makeupaname
07-22-09, 03:07
a 'good' filipina girl would not go alone with a new friend into a hotel room.
Lustforthrust
07-22-09, 03:27
chump never met this chic in person.
He's been on a high from the prospect of a 66 year-old dick being the first to break, enter and cum in an 18 year old pussy in August. That's the high that has been feeding the chic for a couple of weeks.
August is just a few days away and it's time to deliver either her "cherry" or count bars, write choruses & structure songs.
And she does.
Member #4214
07-22-09, 03:29
a 'good' filipina girl would not go alone with a new friend into a hotel room.
'good' isn't some fixed quality, but a sliding scale. that she already takes money from this old man for her schooling, and entertains his romantic interests would make her naughty in most people's eyes already. so thanks for your erudite input.
but if the op was this girl's primary, or only close interface with western men, she may have come to expect the same level of courtesy from other guys. recall the '[CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126)' was a western visitor not unlike the op himself. in that case she had no fear of losing her hymen to this other guy. that would make her actions grossly naive, not a bald-faced betrayal.
i hear a clear undercurrent of mysogeny in this discussion, and even know it in myself from time to time. it is to easy to forget some girls are raised differently, and can be shockingly oblivious to the intricacies of the mongering arts.
Nightrider1, I just think you need to honest with yourself. If you want to do something nice for a girl because you like her, then it is your business.
But if you want something more then please step back and look at the big picture.
What does she see in you.
You are a older man (66 years old), she is a young (18 year) girl. So she is not looking at you like a young, handsome man. Therefore beauty is not what she sees in you.
You are wealth, at least compare to other guys she knows.
You treat her nice by spending money on her.
Once you realize this is how she looks at you and not real love, then it would be more clearly.
What you see in her
She is pretty.
She makes you feel young.
If these terms are acceptable, then go ahead and spend money on her, F her and have a good time.
If you are looking for a long term relationship like marriage and if she is willing to marry you for your money, and if you are fine with that, then I would say to go for it.
Just make sure you are looking at this clearly.
You have worked hard all your life, you are entitled to live in a fantasy world but just realize that it is a fantasy. Just realize she is with you for your money and not true love (what can you offer her besides money?), regardless of what she says, if it is OK with you then everything is OK but sometimes she will have to go outside to have sex with a young, handsome man.
I agree with you, except that the vast majority of filipinas will not sell their bodies for money.
I make a point of meeting non P4P. Read some of my earlier posts about the successes and failures in this endeavour. But I do get to met their friends, sometimes family, and get inside regular filipino society.
The vast majority of filipinas are honest, maybe not hard working, but religious. Wil not hav sex without marriage etc.
I have read somewhere that maybe 2% are P4P.
It is just that most mongers only ever see and meet P4P in places like AC, Makati etc.
Remember that there are more prostitutes per head of population in my country (Australia) than in any country in SE Asia. I can get sex any time, hetero, homo, little boys, little girls. I can go to a bar and have a woman dance naked in my lap. I can check the local paper every day for pros offering their services. Provided they meet the legal requirements, anyone can set up a brothel in any town, whether the locals like it or not.
Also, I can have phone sex any time, video sex. The list is endless. And I believe it is the same in most western countries.
You just can't get this in Phils, or Thailand.
So get your head straight.
Do not make accusations such as every filipina will sell her body for money. Or every filipina lies to her back teeth. That is an insult to GE's wife. And the wives of some of my friends who live in Phils.
This is just not true.
I have a number of regular filipina girlfriends, none have ever asked for money, I believe that they are honest, and they do not screw around. They may have sex on the side, but so do I, so there is no point in expecting her behaviour to be any different to mine.
But I believe that most of them only have sex with me.
Worth thinkind about.
G
I was interested in your post re filipina attitudes to their virginity and future marriage.
But you are wrong that giving up their virginity ends their chances of marriage to a filipino guy.
I knew a plastic surgeon in Manila who told me that one of his most lucrative lines of business is restoring hymens, so that women's virginity is restored prior to marriage.
So all is not lost.
G
Yellow Fever #2
07-22-09, 05:34
Just want to say I know when you post anything you open yourself up to whatever anyone wants to say to you here. Both the sympathetic posts and the hasher ones that basically say I am a dumb fuck for believing anything that comes out of her mouth. I did have some of the same questions such as why did'nt you put your fingernails into his back or grab his balls or try in some way to get away. Short nails ( I know this to be true ) And she said she was just crying and shocked that it was happening. And also thought he would stop when she said it hurt but he did'nt. I know this to be true as well because in March when I was with her we tried and it hurt her too much so I pulled back. To elaborate more on this whole scenario i have her DIA login and password so I looked at this guys profile and sent him a mssg just saying he and I know the same girl and I just wanted to know how he felt fucking a young girl who asks you to stop when she is crying. He was online at the time and the next thing I typed was " I hope your proud of yourself and now you can go back home and tell your buddies how you fucked an 18 yr old virgin who was crying,Damn what a manly man you are" 20 seconds later it says his profile has been deleted so evidently he did not like what I was saying and did not dispute it to me by sending any mssgs back. So bottom line, I believe what she is saying actually happened to her even if some of you have doubts.
I have no doubts just like you that you found the 'right' guy and you cornered him. His is really scared, his trembling forces him to delete his DIA profile. (An alternative concept is that he was trying to respond and he hit the wrong keys on his computer.)
I think you can view this as a victory and proof of his cowardice. For sure he has a very tiny weenie and your girl probably did not even feel it inside of her. Remember you wrote that he told her to "relax as he was already inside". As she did not feel a thing, therefore very tiny penis. I think in the medical terms it is called micro-penis syndrome. I think she is still intact. For sure she is still a virgin. In her mind she is just as much a virgin as before.
Certainly she has experimented before with organic vegetables such as cucumber and carrots, perhaps even used pens/pencils etc. when vegetable were expensive or in class at collage. His penis must have seemed miniscule in comparison. TECHNICALLY STILL A VIRGIN.
I actually feel sorry for HIM, he must have no confidence and it must be difficult to find girls. Very sad. Can you imagine living with such a complex? I can't.
If you look at the bright side, with your monster geriatric cock, you should be able to win her over. I am sure after she sleeps go with you, she won't look for anyone else. If you had been her first, she would always have doubts that maybe there is something bigger, better or fitter than you. Now you have the chance to prove her wrong. JUST MAKE SURE YOU GIVE HER A GOOD TIME.
At least you know who did her (probably better than some random guy you would never know) and he is quite inadequate in this regard.
You should be on the plane by now and you may not have a chance to read this:
My advice, go forward old man, just do it fast. Don't give her a chance to do this again. You don't want her to watch TV with any one else. She might get horny again, then your dreams are dead.
To be certain she will not cheat or lie to you ever again, build her a dungeon and lock the door when you leave. I read recently in the Philippine newspapers that the police think that there may be thousands of such dungeons in the country. One newspaper even gave directions on how to build a 'legal' dungeon.
Otherwise you can find another, there are 90million Philippinos in the world, most of them living in the PI, at least half of them girls. It is a big number. I say the odds are very good there are thousands of identically cloned girls; Filipina, 18yo, never been TV fucked, with limited education willing to dedicate their life to you. Keep looking on filipinaheart, DIA, tagged etc.
Perhaps you should just move to the PI to do your search, maybe you can find something better.
Have fun. I wish you all the best. May the force be with you.
I agree with you, except that the vast majority of filipinas will not sell their bodies for money.
I make a point of meeting non P4P. Read some of my earlier posts about the successes and failures in this endeavour. But I do get to met their friends, sometimes family, and get inside regular filipino society.
The vast majority of filipinas are honest, maybe not hard working, but religious. Wil not hav sex without marriage etc.
I have read somewhere that maybe 2% are P4P.
It is just that most mongers only ever see and meet P4P in places like AC, Makati etc.
Remember that there are more prostitutes per head of population in my country (Australia) than in any country in SE Asia. I can get sex any time, hetero, homo, little boys, little girls. I can go to a bar and have a woman dance naked in my lap. I can check the local paper every day for pros offering their services. Provided they meet the legal requirements, anyone can set up a brothel in any town, whether the locals like it or not.
Also, I can have phone sex any time, video sex. The list is endless. And I believe it is the same in most western countries.
You just can't get this in Phils, or Thailand.
So get your head straight.
Do not make accusations such as every filipina will sell her body for money. Or every filipina lies to her back teeth. That is an insult to GE's wife. And the wives of some of my friends who live in Phils.
This is just not true.
I have a number of regular filipina girlfriends, none have ever asked for money, I believe that they are honest, and they do not screw around. They may have sex on the side, but so do I, so there is no point in expecting her behaviour to be any different to mine.
But I believe that most of them only have sex with me.
Worth thinkind about.
G
I agree with you 100% and then some. I think the problem for most of the posters and to some extent myself at the start is that you only meet the Pinay bar girls in HK or Sing, you might get smitten and more often then not get screwed over, it happend to me...
But people are different in manila they are mostly normal except they have a lower standard of living thats all, and if Yellow fever #2 ever put his thoughts into words with what i would consider middle class 27 year old Pinay she would set him strait and tell him how much of an ignorant person he is.
Just my POV.
Wizard
Yellow Fever #2
07-22-09, 05:56
I agree with you 100% and then some. I think the problem for most of the posters and to some extent myself at the start is that you only meet the Pinay bar girls in HK or Sing, you might get smitten and more often then not get screwed over, it happend to me...
But people are different in manila they are mostly normal except they have a lower standard of living thats all, and if Yellow fever #2 ever put his thoughts into words with what i would consider middle class 27 year old Pinay she would set him strait and tell him how much of an ignorant person he is.
Just my POV.
Wizard
It's true. I'm ignorant.
I've met dozens of Filipina in HKG, SIN, SHA, KUL but all have been P4P. I've been to the Philippines several times with one of the 'special' P4p ones I met on my travels. We had an 8 month relationship before I fired her.
Even most of the PI girls claiming to be DHs in Hong Kong asked for rewards etc for their time. They were more professional than the BGs. I met one last DH night in HKG, that kept on drinking and after each one claimed it to be her last, then another and another. Only one she said. Then she asked me what her reward would be for the night, she asked MORE than the normal BGs asked for, I offered her 500HKD for her time for ALL NIGHT. She said she would like to return after 2 hours - I said no. A little later she asked me if she could get more for taxi fare as she wanted to leave at 5am and she lived a long way away - again I said no, if she stays until 9AM the buses/MTR can take her home easily enough. Finally she told me she MUST leave at 6:30AM as she has to attend church in the morning. At that point I had enough and I told her to leave. I have enough experience to know that when a girl argues with you in the bar over time or really anything else, it only leads to trouble and an unsatisfying experience. Even after I told her to go away and I was not interested, she came back to me later after someone else bought her a lady drink and told me that she wanted me to wait for her. I told her I was not interested and finally I was free.
Please guys don't put up with a girl that bargains in bad faith and changes the terms of your relationship. At the same token, you must meet your promises to her and pay her what you said you would and treat her with respect. My experience with the PI girls was bad business form. You would not want it from your supplier, you should not accept it from your BG/P4P (sexual services supplier in this case).
The Indonesian DH I met shortly thereafter gave me none of these headaches and was a true champion. She stayed until noon and give me outstanding service, top 10 in my experience.
In contrast, I found the Indonesians to be more realistic and honest in their negotiating. I've yet to meet an Indonesian DH in Hong Kong that negotiated up front for a reward, I mostly give them taxi fair when they leave. Much more genuine, IMHO.
I've never really met local girls in the PI. I never tried, I was faithful to my girl and did not look for P4P or any other girls during my visits there. I had not interest. I am sure they are not all P4P. I cannot give you a figure, others say 2%, some may say 80% are P4P but NOT ALL. There is also the portion that are brutally ugly and have no chance of P4P.
I'm ignorant and I know it. I just like mongering, I've failed in the past at marriage. Renting is easier, cheaper and more fun than owning. Maybe in the future I will change my thinking. Perhaps even find one of the Filipinas that are real, genuine and not P4P. maybe I can get lucky like GoodEnough. I really think he is very fortunate and it is nice to hear.
I do not look at each and every, most, some or any girls as my P4P. You just know it when you see it. It only seems to me that there are many more in the PI that are P4P than in most of the other countries I have visited. For sure the lack of opportunities, the very poor education system and many other factors drive women in the PI towards this career. There may not be any other option for them. Too bad.
It's true. I'm ignorant.
I've met dozens of Filipina in HKG, SIN, SHA, KUL but all have been P4P. I've been to the Philippines several times with one of the 'special' P4p ones I met on my travels. We had an 8 month relationship before I fired her.
I've never really met local girls in the PI. I never tried, I was faithful to my girl and did not look for P4P or any other girls during my visits there. I am sure they are not all P4P. I cannot give you a figure, others say 2%, some may say 80% are P4P but NOT ALL. There is also the portion that are brutally ugly and have no chance of P4P.
I will say this about OFW they don't have the best reputations. Most have had the Filipino boyfriend for while. When that doesn't work out then they latch on to some unsuspecting expat to supplement their $100 month incomes. In the ME I remember I had to defend Filipinas from some Indians guys who worked in Kuwait who proclaimed all Filipinas where *****s because this is what they seen while working in Kuwait.
What I am trying to say OFW are a poor case study to judge native Filipinas by. The heavy hitters on the PI board Good Enough, Freebie Fan, please weigh in.
I was interested in your post re filipina attitudes to their virginity and future marriage.
But you are wrong that giving up their virginity ends their chances of marriage to a filipino guy.
I knew a plastic surgeon in Manila who told me that one of his most lucrative lines of business is restoring hymens, so that women's virginity is restored prior to marriage.
So all is not lost.
G
Once fucked you are no longer virgin don't care how many times the hymen is restored.
A Filipino man from a good family with decent job in most cases will not accept a woman that has been enjoyed by another man for marriage and I don't blame them.
So they are lying to potential husbands about their sexual status? Great way to start a marriage. Guys be careful when you come to this country looking for a partner. This place is so deceptive it would make Houdini blush.
Dodger Bulldog
07-22-09, 07:33
Nightrider,
I'm confident that no one is trying to hurt you more, Nightrider. I'm sure it hurts enough already.
People here are just trying to help you cut through the fog of love so that you can understand how you were betrayed.
What you're missing here is that your dear fucklet:
1. Agreed to meet this guy on DIA.
2. Met him alone in his hotel room.
3. Allowed him to kiss her.
4. Admitted she got horny.
5. Took her clothes off.
6. Got into bed and spread her legs.
7. Did not fight the fuck.
Short nails ( I know this to be true ) And she said she was just crying and shocked that it was happening. And also thought he would stop when she said it hurt but he did'nt. I know this to be true as wellNightrider, even if you give the girl the benefit of the doubt that your point explains away # 7 on the list, please tell us how you rationalize away that she WILLINGLY chose to do every single thing in numbers 1-6.
Why would she do any of those things if she was a cherry girl who loves you as much as you believe she does? Let alone that she did all of them?
You need to address each of those actions one-by-one, in order to gain clarity of the situation for yourself.
In my silly post I was simply trying to demonstrate how ludicrous it is to believe that anyone who is really in love would ever put themselves in that position in the first place.
Each of those actions, one building on top of the other, can't all be an accident. A person must have a strong motive in order for her to have chosen to do all of the things she did.
Please go back and re-read my post, without feeling defensive this time. Rather, look with an eye to see how farfetched it is to believe that all those things can just innocently happen by accident.
Instead of thinking about you and the girl you love while reading it, try to objectively evaluate the situation as if it was happening to someone else.
Your only issue needs to be what your girlfriend did, not the guy. Of course many guys wil do whatever it takes to get laid, so there is no news there. You've got to forget about him and move on from that.
Instead, get stuck on this question: Why you are so accepting that that your fiance did all of those other things when she promised to be true to you?
What could possibly make all of her actions okay?
Sadly, I believe you have known the answer all along, and you are desperately hoping to find a way to help yourself believe otherwise.
It's your life, but we are trying to assist you in realizing that this strong need for denial is not helping you at all, my friend.
DB
Yellow Fever #2
07-22-09, 07:45
Nightrider,
What could possibly make all of her actions okay?
DB
Nightrider,
I think it is possible to separate SEX and LOVE. One is a need another is an emotion.
Perhaps she had sex to fulfil her need, not for love purposes but she LOVES YOU.
You obviously still love her and want sex with her but she is not a virgin. Neither are you. Let it go.
You can enjoy her, have an open relationship, let everyone fuck her for sex and she can let you fuck anyone else for sex. maybe you can even find someone to swap partners with once in a while. become a couple of swingers. Let it go.
If you love each other, you will stay together no matter how many guys she does. She obviously does not care about your past.
Too bad you did not get the cherry. I never had it either and personally I don't want the responsibility and the sex of an inexperienced girl like that must be terrible. I've been offered 'cherry' girls (ya right) but each time a girl tells me she is a virgin, I politely excuse myself and look elsewhere. Don't need the troubles.
Open relationships can work, you are a monger maybe longterm, do you really think you can be satisfied by one tiny 18 yo philipine chick? Or will you continue your search for pussy too?
Yellow Fever
the questions are,
1. was she really a virgin?
nightrider tried to enter but could not. well , phi pussies are tight generally. is she putting up an act? possibly. it is oldest scam in the world. making the man guilty that he took her virginity and owe her something in life like money or eternal love.
2. why nightrider did not finish the job ?
maybe he could not get the hard on necessary to enter a tight pussy in spite of viagra.
if he had finished the job this discussion would have been moot.
3. complaining of pain?
in my experience atleast 80% of phi women complained of pain. did i stop? no way. use some lubricants or get her more horny and get the job done. there is nothing worse than keeping the girl hanging.
4. is virginity a big deal ?
for each his own. if i am going to marry a girl maybe it is good to know i am the one who entered her first. other than that it does not matter.
5. is nightrider paying for her virginity?
i think so. where else a old man can get a virgin?
i am sure in his mind he is thinking of a big let down when he was looking for a glorious time deflowering a girl and suddenly find out this bullshit story of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), seduction, remorse etc.
the going rate of taking a cherry in ac is from 20,000 to 50,000 pesos.
nightrider should really try that. it will give him a good experience to see first hand if the experience is worth it. also he can differentiate between real virgins or scammers.
How one busted 18 yr. old hymen could take over an entire message board!
I know that is an over simplification of the matter, and mean no disrespect. When you stop and think about it, it is amazing the intensity of the feelings and the amount of traffic this one topic has generated!
Nightrider1
07-22-09, 19:19
I agree with you, Time to say enough is enough. I did not think so many
people had so many opposing views. I will just say I appreciate all the
advice and counsel. Especially to those who said "it's time to let it go "
I agree, don't live in the past. and whats done is done. I also agree that
the girl is not blameless,,I never wrote that she was. Nobody pulled her
kicking and screaming into that hotel room. And she never told me he ripped
her clothes off ,so she is culpable for getting into the situation. On a
closing note, as my Marine drill instructor told me long ago " if you want
sympathy here you will find it in the dictionary between shit and syphalis
" I wasn't asking for any sympathy , but I don't know what some of you guys
got out of ripping me just because i am old. So what? Sure my dick is not
what it used to be thanks to a bout of prostrate cancer and years in the
Corps. But i could have done the deed when I was with her. I did not stop
cause my dick was not hard, I stopped because she asked me too. Just
something about understanding pain and not wanting to hurt someone. Lets
put this topic to bed here on the forum but if any of you want to continue
there is private mssg to use ok.
GoodEnough
07-23-09, 00:13
nr, in my opinion you behaved honorably and with dignity and no one has the right to disparage you or what you did. whether she was raped, the extent to to which she did or didn't participate, whether she's a victim or not are all irrelevant. the fact is, you avoided inflicting pain on another, weaker human being, and in so doing remained true to your own sense of morality. treating women as human beings and as something more than disposable commodities is always the right behavior.
it's interesting the distinction that people draw here between p4p and non-professionals. while that dividing line in the west and even in other asian cultures may be unambiguous, here, it's more of an artificial line drawn in the sand, at least in my experience. this is a country in which approximately 50% of the population of 90 million or so live on less than $2 a day. poverty is endemic and extreme. it's also a country with largely unchecked population growth, so the poverty is self-perpetuating and self-expanding. this means there's an enormous number of people who are truly desperate--not greedy, but desperate and who depend on those who can generate income through any means to support the rest of them.
in light of the above, what's the real difference among women who trade sex for money in bars; students who trade sex for tuition money in schools, and others who just want to latch on to someone with money who can help support the innumerable siblings, parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, and young children from prior relationships? the point is that, aside from the 2% of the folks here who control the other 98%, everyone is looking for a better life which, in the case of the philippines, may mean simply the chance to have access to potable water and to eat three times a day.
i travel a lot to isolated, extraordinarily poor rural communities, similar to the places many of the women about whom guys write here come from. the poverty and the corresponding level of need are unimaginable unless you have seen them. wanting to escape this level of destitution is an entirely rational aspiration, and i do not blame any of these women for doing whatever they need to do to get out and stay out while helping those left behind. for some of these women, "anything" may include the degradation that nightrider's lady pretty obviously experienced.
another aspect of culture that does not get much commentary here is the indifference with which many (perhaps most) local men treat local women, who are often impregnated, and then left to fend for themselves; raped and then abandoned, and beaten at the whim of an unstable, angry partner. these women have no legal recourse as the "justice" system here is a pathetic joke, few social services to which to turn, and no alternatives really other than getting on with their lives. i have no problem at all believing that nightrider's young friend is telling the complete truth, as her story is by no means unique and what she's said is consistent with how women are often treated here. the fact that he treated her with some kindness and understanding is laudable.
ge
Dear GE,
noone doubts that the girl needs the money, everyone knows about the difficult situation of many women in the Phils, and we all understood that NR treated the lady more than well.
But: does all this help him? Being with a 48 years younger Filipina MUST lead to a heart attack!
I personally live in Shanghai with a 8 years younger Filipina I got acquainted to in TRL 2 years ago. We just plan our second visit to my friends and family in Germany, we seriously plan our common life. This is a much more healthy situation than a child having a "relationship" with a guy 3 generations ahead! My girlfriend sees the perspective I give her and has no reason to cheat on me. And I'm sure she doesnt.
But NR's girl has NO other chance than seeking a better alternative, perhaps with some real love involved.
NR should seek a lady around 50 (which still could be his daughter...) - this would have a much more reasonable base.
Shamuc
Dodger Bulldog
07-23-09, 03:13
My comments were related to the girl's willful act to hook up with a stranger, which Nightrider has now acknowledged.
As to the importance of "virginity," I consider it to be a very elastic concept.
I think back to a story a friend once told me.
She was on her first date with a man, who quite impertinently demanded to know if she still had her virginity.
"I only date virgins," he said.
"You better date someone else," she replied. "Because I lost mine when I was two years old, to my grandfather."
DB
How one busted 18 yr. old hymen could take over an entire message board!
I know that is an over simplification of the matter, and mean no disrespect. When you stop and think about it, it is amazing the intensity of the feelings and the amount of traffic this one topic has generated!
This not so much about one person lamenting of lost chance to deflower a girl. All of us are interested in making sure any newbies here understand the psychology of Phi girls and not fall into the trap. We all go to Philippines for fun with young girls. At the same time it is important to understand not to believe anybody, get hurt physically as well as mentally.
Philippines is full of willing girls and just move on to the next girl.
Dodger Bulldog
07-23-09, 03:25
Dear GE,
noone doubts that the girl needs the money, everyone knows about the difficult situation of many women in the Phils, and we all understood that NR treated the lady more than well.
But: does all this help him? Being with a 48 years younger Filipina MUST lead to a heart attack!
I personally live in Shanghai with a 8 years younger Filipina I got acquainted to in TRL 2 years ago. We just plan our second visit to my friends and family in Germany, we seriously plan our common life. This is a much more healthy situation than a child having a "relationship" with a guy 3 generations ahead! My girlfriend sees the perspective I give her and has no reason to cheat on me. And I'm sure she doesnt.
But NR's girl has NO other chance than seeking a better alternative, perhaps with some real love involved.
NR should seek a lady around 50 (which still could be his daughter...) - this would have a much more reasonable base.
ShamucI totally disagree with everything said in this post. Who are you to tell anyone how old his partner should be?
It is this very concept about age that chases Western men off to Latin America or Asia, because the women at home refuse to meet their needs.
When living in Latin America I learned that any self respecting, attractive girl in her 20's would never even consider dating a man below 40, and better yet 50.
Dating a guy younger than that meant she was a real loser and couldn't get anyone better.
I used to lie to make myself 10 years older than I was. I would not have done that if it did not create an advantage for me.
They saw how many younger men were just gunning for another notch on their belt, hoping to pop out a son before moving on to the next fresh pussy. With never so much as a thought for ever contributing a dime to raise the kid.
The women expected that older men would appreciate them much more, had already sewn their wild oats, were more stable in their jobs and with their money, and had a much better chance of keeping it in their pants.
Who can blame a girl if she thinks all those things are a big part of her happiness in a relationship? Because, of course, they are.
To judge any relationship based on age comes across as very arrogant and narrow minded.
DB
FreebieFan
07-23-09, 07:52
Personally I always felt it was totally normal that a guy over 50 (me! ) would date girls significantly younger than me as in 20's etc. In fact I'm currently dating a 20 year old Thai student where I live and it seems totally normal.
However, was in UK a few weeks ago and there was a big hoohaw in one of hte papers there as Bryan Ferry, aged 62 (of Roxy Music fame) is dating some lady who is 25. The issue was highlighted as the said lady had previously dated Bryans son. Anyways lots of letters followed about how he was "cradle snatching" what she saw in "the old wrinkly " etc. I read it all with a detached amusement knowing my 20 year old would soon be taking my energy!
FreebieFan
07-23-09, 07:59
A Filipino man from a good family with decent job in most cases will not accept a woman that has been enjoyed by another man for marriage and I don't blame them.Yeah the hypocrisy of these guys is amazing. Go see the various college type young newbies in the various health centres and Quezon avenue all having their fun with P4P gals. And then going home and telling Mommy they have been good boys and are waiting for Ms Right. Its like something out of a soap opera.
Every Filipina knows that her bf is a current or wannabe player. But the rich momm'y want to ignore this and make sure that "Baby" or "Princess" stays clean and wholesome till marriage date.
By the way, if you are ever fortunate to hook up with an engaged Filipina as I once was, its wonderful. She wants to practiec blow job techniques and is happy gettting licked, just as long as no penetration.
Dodger Bulldog, I do agree with you that most women are looking for an older man. Older man usually means that he is more mature, higher salary since he has worked his way up in time. But a 18 year old girl is not mature therefore don't know what she wants. Just about anyone I know who is looking for a serious relationship (marriage) are not looking for any women younger than 25.
So, can anyone tell me what you think a 18 year old girl sees in a 66 year old man other than money?
Chocha Monger
07-23-09, 19:18
How one busted 18 yr. old hymen could take over an entire message board!
I know that is an over simplification of the matter, and mean no disrespect. When you stop and think about it, it is amazing the intensity of the feelings and the amount of traffic this one topic has generated!
Yes, Sky Ryder. The busting of an 18 yr old hymen might could upset the balance of the forces in the Universe. Virgins are such a rare phenomenon. Most men die without ever tasting one.
Traveller22
07-23-09, 19:53
I am wondering how can you be completely honest and straightforward on your intentions on dating or social sites like Dateinsia-Tagged etc… Most Filipina girls here are seemingly looking only after serious-long term relationships. One of the most recurrent sentences is against the “men who play games”.
Do you specify anyway directly on your profile that you are interested only on short term or friends with benefits kind of relations? In this case, does it not reduce dramatically your answer’s rate, if you get any answers at all?
I would be very grateful if great freebies specialists like freebiefan and others could give some advices on this question.
Cheers
My comments were related to the girl's willful act to hook up with a stranger, which Nightrider has now acknowledged.
As to the importance of "virginity," I consider it to be a very elastic concept.
I think back to a story a friend once told me.
She was on her first date with a man, who quite impertinently demanded to know if she still had her virginity.
"I only date virgins," he said.
"You better date someone else," she replied. "Because I lost mine when I was two years old, to my grandfather."
DB
maybe a stupid question: with the modern medicine, is it possible to get the virginity after a woman lost it?
Most men die without ever tasting one.
You know my first virgin when I think back on it I really didn’t think it was such a big deal. Some blood some squirming on her part. Only she was an American college educated woman with more money than my black ass had ever seen at that time.
I use to think virgins didn’t exist in Philippines( I even nicknamed them Unicorns as they were talked about but I had never seen one and I have been around) as these girls start fucking young and they are very sexual beings but since I have started slowly making my way away from the bar scene I have came across a few.
Some religious freaks and some just intelligent and stubborn. One in particular a teacher from Manila. I have continually turned her away as I know I have nothing to offer her in longevity. Today she even asked "why you keep pushing me away." When I told her maybe we should we just remain friends. LOL
Yellow Fever #2
07-23-09, 20:44
maybe a stupid question: with the modern medicine, is it possible to get the virginity after a woman lost it?
It's a very valid question. The is no such thing as a stupid question - and as such, you deserve an answer.
I think the Ancient Egyptians, the ones with the pyramids, perfected the procedure to restore virginity. They did it to keep the sand out. Apparently getting sand in your vagina is not a pleasant thing. I got this information from the Discovery Channel. You never know when the information will be useful.
It was a common procedure back then and it still is.
I am surprised you are not aware of it, I see many more restore virginity clinics in my city than I do optometrists for example. Just open your eyes. The procedure is safe, simple, effective and less expensive than you might imagine.
I was married to a Chinese lady for nearly 5 years and I encouraged my wife to restore her virginity at least once a month. In fact, our marriage came apart when she refused to restore her virginity. I just don't want to have sex with a non-virgin married woman.
It is too disgusting to consider having sex with her anymore after she refused the procedure.
Yellow Fever
I was married to a Chinese lady for nearly 5 years and I encouraged my wife to restore her virginity at least once a month. In fact, our marriage came apart when she refused to restore her virginity. I just don't want to have sex with a non-virgin married woman.
It is too disgusting to consider having sex with her anymore after she refused the procedure.
Yellow Fever
Surely you jest ! !
ES
Chocha Monger
07-23-09, 20:55
maybe a stupid question: with the modern medicine, is it possible to get the virginity after a woman lost it?
No. Once a woman has been soiled by a dick her virginity cannot be restored. Her hymen can be repaired but that is not synonymous with virginity. It's like taking a used car and refurbishing it. You can call it certified pre-owned or whatever but you can never call it "new." So a skilled plastic surgeon can stitch a woman's hymen back on after it's been busted open but she is not a virgin. Of course, you can bust the repaired hymen open again and the sensation may be somewhat similar to that of an original hymen but you're not getting her virginity. You can't reverse time. There can only be one first time.
Busting a fake hymen can't be compared to popping a real virgin's cherry because all of the emotions of seeing a dick for the first time, the exhilaration, the potent rush of endorphins mingled with the surge of adrenaline will be absent. And, of course, she wouldn't remember you forever as her first because you're not. You can't have the same feeling of going where no man has ever gone before like Captain Kirk because it's all phony. Also, some cultures believe that when a woman has sex for the first time her pussy releases a blast of cosmic energy capable of conferring health and other rejuvenating effects on the man who pops the cherry. A false cherry wouldn't emit this life force according to these mystics.
My written arguments are based on Merriam-Webster's definitions below.
virgin:
1: free of impurity or stain : unsullied: chaste: characteristic of or befitting a virgin : modest: fresh, unspoiled ; specifically : not altered by human activity <a virgin forest> (1): being used or worked for the first time (2)of a metal : produced directly from ore by primary smelting b: initial, first of a vegetable oil : obtained from the first light pressing and without heating: containing no alcohol <a virgin daiquiri>
I especially like "not altered by human activity" and "being used or fucked for the first time." I hope that answers your question. ;)
It's a very valid question.
I think the Ancient Egyptians, the ones with the pyramids perfected the procedure to restore virginity. They did it to keep the sand out. Apparently getting sand in your vagina is not a pleasant thing. I got this information from the Discovery Channel. You never know when the information will be useful.
It was a common procedure back then and it still is.
I am surprised you are not aware of it, I see many more restore virginity clinics in my city than I do optometrists for example. Just open your eyes. The procedure is safe, simple, effective and less expensive than you might imagine.
I was married to a Chinese lady for nearly 5 years and I encouraged my wife to restore her virginity at least once a month. In fact, our marriage came apart when she refused to restore her virginity. I just don't want to have sex with a non-virgin married woman.
It is too disgusting to consider having sex with her anymore after she refused the procedure.
Yellow Fever
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll
YF was just about get my monger sleep until I read your post.
All I have to say …….
Are you fucking serious!
Chocha Monger
07-23-09, 21:09
You know my first virgin when I think back on it I really didn’t think it was such a big deal. Some blood some squirming on her part. Only she was an American college educated woman with more money than my black ass had ever seen at that time.
I'm sure it was a big deal for her and that she still holds a special place in her memories for you. Anthropologists believe that human females developed a hymen as test of confidence for males. In essence, the woman had to trust you enough to hold still long enough to let you bust her open because of the pain and effort involved. The man also got some reassurance that he was the first to nut in there giving him some confidence that the resulting offspring was his since no DNA tests existed at the time. Hence, the ages old obsession of chiefs, kings and emperors with virgins. They didn't want someone else's bastard inheriting the throne.
Chocha Monger
07-23-09, 21:15
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll
YF was just about get my monger sleep until I read your post.
All I have to say …….
Are you fucking serious!
I think he's serious. I had a friend who asked his wife's obstetrician to put some extra stitches in her pussy after the birth of their last child. :D
It's a very valid question. The is no such thing as a stupid question - and as such, you deserve an answer.
I think the Ancient Egyptians, the ones with the pyramids, perfected the procedure to restore virginity. They did it to keep the sand out. Apparently getting sand in your vagina is not a pleasant thing. I got this information from the Discovery Channel. You never know when the information will be useful.
It was a common procedure back then and it still is.
I am surprised you are not aware of it, I see many more restore virginity clinics in my city than I do optometrists for example. Just open your eyes. The procedure is safe, simple, effective and less expensive than you might imagine.
I was married to a Chinese lady for nearly 5 years and I encouraged my wife to restore her virginity at least once a month. In fact, our marriage came apart when she refused to restore her virginity. I just don't want to have sex with a non-virgin married woman.
It is too disgusting to consider having sex with her anymore after she refused the procedure.
Yellow Fever
Thanks a lot for your answer!!!! I have a young lover in Ukraine she is now 21 but we are having sex since she was 18 and really a good lover but in the last times I realize she is maybe oversexed and not the same feeling as before when I penetrate her, I have also heard that the are somen body excersizes to reduce this feeling. Maybe I am too inocent with these questions but for me is nice to have these youndg women howver the times are changing and the young women are fucking more than maybe more than we all. I am not willing to chaqnge into anal sex for hygiene reasons and still prefer the pussy BUT virgings not in my expectations now in these modern times
Surely you jest ! !
ES
Gesh...this guy's a loose cannon!
Cunning Stunt
07-23-09, 23:40
Virginity restored!? - it really has to be a stitch up, hasn't it?
Anyway, welcome to the Philippine Forum ...Borat;).
I totally disagree with everything said in this post. Who are you to tell anyone how old his partner should be?
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To judge any relationship based on age comes across as very arrogant and narrow minded.
DB
Dear DB,
there still is a difference between 20 years age difference and 48 years. At least for my definition of love an age gap of more than 30 years can not come along with real love - it will always be a decision based on economical criteria.
Do you really think the 18year old girl is eager to touch and kiss the wrinkled old skin of a 66 year old guy?? One in a million, yes. She does it for money, nothing else.
And what in 10 years? When he already lost all his teeth and needs Pampers whereas she's 28? Ridiculous.
Shamuc
maybe a stupid question: with the modern medicine, is it possible to get the virginity after a woman lost it?
No, but you can have the box it came in.
GoodEnough
07-24-09, 05:00
Dear DB,
there still is a difference between 20 years age difference and 48 years. At least for my definition of love an age gap of more than 30 years can not come along with real love - it will always be a decision based on economical criteria.
Do you really think the 18year old girl is eager to touch and kiss the wrinkled old skin of a 66 year old guy?? One in a million, yes. She does it for money, nothing else.
And what in 10 years? When he already lost all his teeth and needs Pampers whereas she's 28? Ridiculous.
Shamuc
I'm not trying to start a war here, but I do wonder where you get the right to pass judgment on the relationships of others? These are both consenting adults, and the basis for their relationship, or the fact that they have a relationship at all is simply none of your business.
GE
No, but you can have the box it came in.
Now that is funny stuff right there.....I don't care who you are!!!
Wicked Roger
07-24-09, 06:19
I'm not trying to start a war here, but I do wonder where you get the right to pass judgment on the relationships of others? These are both consenting adults, and the basis for their relationship, or the fact that they have a relationship at all is simply none of your business.
GE
I would wholeheartedly support GE view on this matter. It is not our right to pass such judgements, NR wanted some comments/advice not criticism. Brave enough he shares with the other mongers his story as many would not (or some would embellish it)
Some of my good friends in the Philippines have large age differences, one is 65 and his wif is now 26 and been married for since she was 18. They are blissfully happy and she is an out and out nympho and her husband has the time of his life. Others I have met through them are the same 40 years age difference does seem to bother them
So dont knock age differences, we all get something out of it (maybe different for each of us) but as long as we end up smiling each night (and possibly have another hard on :D) then we should all be happy
Personally I like the age difference, makes me feel younger and hornier ;) :D
I'm not trying to start a war here, but I do wonder where you get the right to pass judgment on the relationships of others? These are both consenting adults, and the basis for their relationship, or the fact that they have a relationship at all is simply none of your business.
GE
Dear GE,
I do really not care about what the others do. And if a young girl thinks it is good for her to get into that kind of relationship she shall do so - and same for an old man.
But if someone asks the community about their opinions - like NR did - he gets an answer.
Anyhow, if the girl already cheats on him before he had her the first time that makes all discussion needless at all and shows her motivation.
But you're right - none of our business.
Shamuc
maybe a stupid question: with the modern medicine, is it possible to get the virginity after a woman lost it?
Not a problem with today's surgical techniques.
"About Hymenoplasty and the Hymen Restoration Procedure
For some women, it is important that their hymen be intact while unmarried due to cultural, religious, social or ethnic reasons. Sexual intercourse will rupture the hymen, however, it may also be ruptured due to a cause not related to sexual activity. Tampon use, horseback riding, and activities requiring extreme flexibility may also be a cause. As a result, hymen restoration has become one of the most popular cosmetic surgical procedures for women in Toronto, and around the world".
"In traditional hymenoplasty, an experienced physician will stitch the edges of the remaining hymen together. By doing this, the hymen will grow back together as it heals. Women undergoing hymen restoration will also experience a tightening of the vaginal walls".
Read more: http://www.tcclinic.com/hymen-restoration-toronto.php#ixzz0MA9Wl1Wt
Slim
Cunning Stunt
07-24-09, 11:05
Baffles me why some of these younger mongers are so ageist and rail against the idea of a 60+ guy going at it with a young girl. Guess it might have something to do with their own poppa's being around and of a similar age to the guys in question and every young guy cannot bear the thought of his 'ole man in the saddle, riding rodeo.
Guess that their attitude will change as they get older themselves unless they settle down to boring old monogamy or celibate impotence, like many older guys do.
Anyway, there is a wise old saying where I come from that a man is 'Only as old as the woman he feels':).
Wow. Some great posts here. I'm responding to Shamuc. I'm wondering what his age and culture is, but maybe that's too personal. I'll respond in some ways.
1) If I had a heart attack in that situation, I would be very happy. When someone dies, that is always the first question. "How did he die?" When my firends raise a glass in my honor, I hope it goes like this,
"It may have been from over exertion as he'd been fking the sht out of a woman 1/3 his age....and there may have been complications from the use of chemicals like alcohol and Cialis. They say he had a smile on his face!"
note: at my age I have achieved intercourse with a woman half my age, but no where near 1/3 my age (illegal!). Actually I'm pretty smitten with the multi orgasmic little 35yr-old vixen who visits once a week. (not in Detroit nor AC, btw).
2) Shamuc is planning to marry a Filipina and take here back to Germany (temporarily or permanently wasn't mentioned) where they will live happily ever after. "I live with her"...yes, that is quite a different situation isn't it?
As much as I hate to say it, Shamuc has some food for thought for older guys who expect too much from their younger filipinas. Those who have been reading here regularly know that already which is why his tone seems a bit too Germanic. (Like the Japnanese,they love to have their rules...including rules about how other people should live their lives).
But in the end, Shamuc is a Shmuck. (just kidding)
X Man
Dear GE,
noone doubts that the girl needs the money, everyone knows about the difficult situation of many women in the Phils, and we all understood that NR treated the lady more than well.
But: does all this help him? Being with a 48 years younger Filipina MUST lead to a heart attack!
I personally live in Shanghai with a 8 years younger Filipina I got acquainted to in TRL 2 years ago. We just plan our second visit to my friends and family in Germany, we seriously plan our common life. This is a much more healthy situation than a child having a "relationship" with a guy 3 generations ahead! My girlfriend sees the perspective I give her and has no reason to cheat on me. And I'm sure she doesnt.
But NR's girl has NO other chance than seeking a better alternative, perhaps with some real love involved.
NR should seek a lady around 50 (which still could be his daughter...) - this would have a much more reasonable base.
Shamuc
Yellow Fever #2
07-24-09, 11:33
Baffles me why some of these younger mongers are so ageist and rail against the idea of a 60+ guy going at it with a young girl. Guess it might have something to do with their own poppa's being around and of a similar age to the guys in question and every young guy cannot bear the thought of his 'ole man in the saddle, riding rodeo.
Guess that their attitude will change as they get older themselves unless they settle down to boring old monogamy or celibate impotence, like many older guys do.
Anyway, there is a wise old saying where I come from that a man is 'Only as old as the woman he feels':).
Still, the original poster NR, was dating (or trying to date) an 18yo girl. Maybe you should check her ID to make sure she is legal.
Good for him but what can he (and she) expect from such a relationship and 48 year age difference? Not a very long time together for sure. How about a family, maybe she wants kids, she better get used to being a single mom - she will have a hard time finding a new mate to take care of her hybrid kids.
With any luck he will have a large life insurance policy to take care of her and their kids if they can have any.
At least no one will be able to say he is going to the park with his granddaughter, they just look too different - I'm assuming (NR) you are Caucasian.
IMHO, he should look for at least 25yo girl with some life experience, I even recommended he look at the retired 35+ yo BG market segment.
How interesting is it to look at some young girl but have nothing to say. It might be nice for the first few days but the law of diminishing returns will set in very quickly. There is more to a relationship than just sex.
Some PI girls don't even understand the concept of 'weather and temperature' - only hot. Sure he can train her but does he really want to end up in a way - fucking his (grand)daughter.
Lets get real. A geriatric guy dating a teenage girl is just gross. Should be gross for both parties. Talk about a lifetime walk of shame. Sorry just my feelings.
Do you think her parents will approve? Maybe her grandfather will have a new friend?
"sorry, just my feelings"
Thanks for the quote. Thanks for your feelings.
You say, "With any luck he will have a large life insurance policy to take care of her and their kids if they can have any."
Yep. WOmen marry for support and you have described wy a woman would marry an older man. DUH?" What is your point?
X
Still, the original poster NR, was dating (or trying to date) an 18yo girl. Maybe you should check her ID to make sure she is legal.
Good for him but what can he (and she) expect from such a relationship and 48 year age difference? Not a very long time together for sure. How about a family, maybe she wants kids, she better get used to being a single mom - she will have a hard time finding a new mate to take care of her hybrid kids.
With any luck he will have a large life insurance policy to take care of her and their kids if they can have any.
At least no one will be able to say he is going to the park with his granddaughter, they just look too different - I'm assuming (NR) you are Caucasian.
IMHO, he should look for at least 25yo girl with some life experience, I even recommended he look at the retired 35+ yo BG market segment.
How interesting is it to look at some young girl but have nothing to say. It might be nice for the first few days but the law of diminishing returns will set in very quickly. There is more to a relationship than just sex.
Some PI girls don't even understand the concept of 'weather and temperature' - only hot. Sure he can train her but does he really want to end up in a way - fucking his (grand)daughter.
Lets get real. A geriatric guy dating a teenage girl is just gross. Should be gross for both parties. Talk about a lifetime walk of shame. Sorry just my feelings.
Do you think her parents will approve? Maybe her grandfather will have a new friend?
Yellow Fever #2
07-24-09, 12:31
"sorry, just my feelings"
Thanks for the quote. Thanks for your feelings.
You say, "With any luck he will have a large life insurance policy to take care of her and their kids if they can have any."
Yep. WOmen marry for support and you have described wy a woman would marry an older man. DUH?" What is your point?
X
My point is more for him than for her but she is just as important.
Sure women, especially poor disadvantaged women marry for support. And in the PI when you support this girl, you should also support her rapidly expanding family too. It's too bad it is that way but that is the way it is.
She obviously wanted him only for support, she could not even keep her pants on long enough to wait for him. Does not sound like much love or respect. OK, I give her respect, after all she told him about her 'error in judgement'. I think she needs to grow up a little more.
If she would read this, then I hope that she would feel awkward at the situation. An Anna Nicole Smith situation comes to mind.
Most of my comment was for HIM, and his motivations/reasons for getting into a relationship with (what I would consider at least) a woman much too young.
And the way the original post sounded, that he was heartbroken that she lost her virginity watching TV with another guy and not with him, makes it sound even more likely he is not capable to maintain this relationship.
It is my feeling, that if he looks for someone with more experience and a few more years under her belt that THEY will be happier together.
I can only see confusion in this little girls world. She does not know up from down. She may know how to use the computer to find guys (DIA, Tagged, Friendster etc.) but this has been taught since grade 3 in the PI curriculum. She may be legal but there are some loose connections in her head.
I only wish both of them happiness and success, together or apart.
Neon Noodle
07-24-09, 16:30
Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't a relationship with a huge age gap like this (48 yrs) be only possible in the Phils? I would think most wouldn't last too long in a 1st world country if he were to bring her to his home country.
As for my advice to him, as others have said. Move on there are plenty of fish in the sea, If she truly loved and respected you she wouldn't have gotten herself into trouble, she had plenty of time to not do it but she sought it out the whole time. Also from my experience dating and knowing filipinas they are quick and easy to fall in and out of love as you already may know. I think also you would be better off with someone older who has some life experiences and has something more intellectual to add to the relationship. Good luck.
GoodEnough
07-25-09, 00:49
correct me if i am wrong but wouldn't a relationship with a huge age gap like this (48 yrs) be only possible in the phils? i would think most wouldn't last too long in a 1st world country if he were to bring her to his home country.
as for my advice to him, as others have said. move on there are plenty of fish in the sea, if she truly loved and respected you she wouldn't have gotten herself into trouble, she had plenty of time to not do it but she sought it out the whole time. also from my experience dating and knowing filipinas they are quick and easy to fall in and out of love as you already may know. i think also you would be better off with someone older who has some life experiences and has something more intellectual to add to the relationship. good luck.
not only in the philippines perhaps, but such relationships are probably limited to third world countries in which economic imperatives overshadow and outweigh purely emotional concerns.
the problem, i think, with looking at "may-december" relationships through the lens of western culture is that such perceptions largely miss the point by focusing on a definition of "love" that's strictly western. in most se asia countries in which i've lived--indonesia, malaysia, vietnam, laos--the basis for relationships is much more pragmatic, and has less to do with the "romantic love" that is the stuff of medieval chivalry, or perhaps romance novels, and much more to do with what each person can bring to a relationship. thus the phrase "i love you" has far different connotations here and elsewhere in the region than it does in the west. here, soap operas notwithstanding, the concept has more to do with financial security, simple kindness, gentility and compassion.
there are two generic factors at work here that are not generally operational in the west: poverty and kindness. regarding poverty, the fact is that most people in this country are poor. approximately half the country gets by on less than $2 a day and survival is often a day-to-day concern, forcing people to live in the present moment. this being the case, how surprising can it be that the financial security and certainty often associated with older westerners is a large component of "love?"
second, this culture implicitly sanctions the abuse of women by men, who are rarely held accountable for the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and/or other brutalization of "their" women. foreigners are thus (correctly) perceived as kinder, gentler and safer, particularly among the poor. so the freedom from physical abuse, or even the potential for physical abuse constitutes still another large component of what is, for many, defined here as "love."
taking these factors into consideration, and remembering too the enormous obligation (utang na loob) that most women feel toward their families, it is not only possible but highly likely that young women will "love" their much older mates. love is, after all, culturally defined and highly mutable from one society to the next. in this case, the women receive financial stability and kindness while the men have the satisfaction of truly making a difference in the life of someone else.
ge
Yellow Fever #2
07-25-09, 02:51
not only in the philippines perhaps, but such relationships are probably limited to third world countries in which economic imperatives overshadow and outweigh purely emotional concerns.
the problem, i think, with looking at "may-december" relationships through the lens of western culture is that such perceptions largely miss the point by focusing on a definition of "love" that's strictly western. in most se asia countries in which i've lived--indonesia, malaysia, vietnam, laos--the basis for relationships is much more pragmatic, and has less to do with the "romantic love" that is the stuff of medieval chivalry, or perhaps romance novels, and much more to do with what each person can bring to a relationship. thus the phrase "i love you" has far different connotations here and elsewhere in the region than it does in the west. here, soap operas notwithstanding, the concept has more to do with financial security, simple kindness, gentility and compassion.
there are two generic factors at work here that are not generally operational in the west: poverty and kindness. regarding poverty, the fact is that most people in this country are poor. approximately half the country gets by on less than $2 a day and survival is often a day-to-day concern, forcing people to live in the present moment. this being the case, how surprising can it be that the financial security and certainty often associated with older westerners is a large component of "love?"
second, this culture implicitly sanctions the abuse of women by men, who are rarely held accountable for the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and/or other brutalization of "their" women. foreigners are thus (correctly) perceived as kinder, gentler and safer, particularly among the poor. so the freedom from physical abuse, or even the potential for physical abuse constitutes still another large component of what is, for many, defined here as "love."
taking these factors into consideration, and remembering too the enormous obligation (utang na loob) that most women feel toward their families, it is not only possible but highly likely that young women will "love" their much older mates. love is, after all, culturally defined and highly mutable from one society to the next. in this case, the women receive financial stability and kindness while the men have the satisfaction of truly making a difference in the life of someone else.
ge
what a load of bunk.
i mean no offence ge but as 'westerners' we should live with the mores of our culture which says these grandfather/child relationships are sick and only a little bit less sick than ****philia which is against the law. in this case the stronger set of mores and decency rules should triumph, not the weaker set. don't take advantage of the situation.
sure, for example, getting high on weed in jamaica is normal or a great thing does not mean you can buy the weed in jamaica and take it home. just not accepted and illegal.
finding a girl 1/3 your age to fuck and abuse (or love and abuse) may be accepted in these desperately poor third world countries because they need the money but would look awfully odd to bring her back home.
i don't think there will be many friends, family colleagues in the home countries that will give you many high fives for scoring and capturing with some 18 yo bimbo.
getting old sucks but it is a fact of life. try to live with people within your own generation or at most one distant. anything more is abnormal.
even some professional bg with any self respect, would rather not go with some ancient customers if they had the choice but the choice is limited because they often just need money to eat or sleep for the present day. i'm am not saying there is anything wrong with nr (the original poster), he may be the most upright pillar of society in terms of look, dress, hygiene, finances, education etc. but he and all of us should know better.
any girl who chooses to have a ltr with a customer/lover with such a generational gap must be leaving some screws on the table. does any relationship want to be perceived that way?
maybe i'm wrong.
just because you can do it does not mean you should. try some common sense and decency.
if you really want to help our some desperately poor 3rd world country, marry one of them in a decent age range. take care of her and her family (utang na loob).
then use your resources wisely, give charity and offer your time and experience as a volunteer to make change in the country. build a school, help them get drinking water. become a teacher. donate medicine. don't abuse their children.
kindness, gentility, compassion?? surely, you must mean, perversion.
When I look at this picture, I don't think perverted nor abnormal. I think "lucky bstrd". Of course this is only 30 yrs difference.
Dodger Bulldog
07-25-09, 03:32
The problem, I think, with looking at "May-December" relationships through the lens of Western culture is that such perceptions largely miss the point by focusing on a definition of "love" that's strictly Western. In most SE Asia countries in which I've lived--Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Laos--the basis for relationships is much more pragmatic, and has less to do with the "romantic love" that is the stuff of medieval chivalry, or perhaps romance novels, and much more to do with what each person can bring to a relationship. True wisdom.
Please re-read Good Enough's post at least ten times.
Marrying for the concept of "romantic love" was very rare even in Anglo countries up until approximately 150 years ago. It remains foreign in most of the world today.
Only two generations ago my own grandparents were matched up for economic reasons. They were introduced to each other one week before their wedding.
Throughout history, the kings and queens who could marry anyone in the world they wanted did not even do so for "romantic love." They married to acquire new lands and riches, gain new allies, keep the peace, and produce a proper heir to the throne.
For tens of thousands of years of human history a man and a woman joined together solely for survival reasons. It is only during the past .01% of history that people in a minority of places around the (Western) world think that "romantic love" has become the accepted reason for a marriage.
Yet Westerners are so egocentric that we think we all understand love. After all, we learned about it in a movie or cartoon when we were little kids.
And we believe that everyone else should think and act just likes us and follow our silly cartoon notions about love.
No wonder there are so many divorces in the Western world. We actually have no common historic experience with "romantic love." We have no training, nowhere to learn about it, nor any knowledge of what would help such a marriage be successful or cause it to fail.
Generations from now our descendents will laugh at how arrogant and foolish we were to think that we could successfully choose a mate for reasons of "romantic love."
The naive idea that "love' will overcome all problems had been repeatedly proven a sham as the divorce rate skyrocketed in Western countries in the past 50 years.
I met a very bright woman from India, who was enrolled in a U.S. university in pursuit of her Ph.D. in engineering. She told me that her sister in India was excited for her because "Now that you are in America, you can have a 'love' marriage!"
My friend just laughed. "I don’t want one of those. They never work. I will go back home and let my parents pick a nice man for me. My parents love me and will do their best to find someone who will treat me well."
Initially, I thought she was nuts. But having been divorced twice myself, I thought long and hard about what she said. I slowly came to realize the wisdom of her words.
I know that the main reason I was attracted to my ex-wives is that they were really hot. Everything was fun at first, and we seemed to get along well, so I projected onto them my desire of who I wanted them to be. I truly believed everything else would somehow work itself out.
As long as they knew how much I “loved” them, everything would be fine.
I ignored the clues along the way of all the problems that were sure to follow. I was blind and stupid because I was so "in love."
Now I realize how right my friend from India is about ones own ability to choose a partner. The odds of it working are slim and none.
My mother loves me and would pick a girl she thinks will make me happy. She would not purposely choose an ugly girl for me, but Mom would never be fooled by how hot a woman is.
So I went home and gave my mother a blank check to pick any mate she wants for me. She still doesn’t believe I mean it, but I do.
Honestly guys, all this talk about love and virginity really is irrelevant to human happiness. In fact, it is usually extremely detrimental.
It was repeatedly ingrained into us by religion, movies, cartoons, commercials, fairy tales, billboards, silly love songs, and the other artifacts of Western culture. All of which are based on PURE FANTASY. None of which reflect reality.
I think the most destructive force in Western culture today are those Disney fairy tales we tell little kids, like Snow White, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast and the rest. Total pornography.
They simply warp little children's minds with brainwashing about "romantic love." They only serve to set up these poor children for a life of misery and failure in their relationships.
Notice how they always end on the wedding day? They never show the rest of the story, do they?
The fantasy of “romantic love” causes pain and damage to more people's lives than crack, heroin, and alcohol combined.
Do any of us really believe that anyone who has achieved true “romantic love” in their lives would be found contributing to the ISG Forum?
So for anyone here who feels qualified to pass judgment on the choices of others, I think that you should get your own act together first.
And if you ever do, we will not be hearing from you again.
In the meantime, it is pretty foolish for those of us here to try to judge anyone else’s choices.
DB
what a load of bunk.
i mean no offence ge but as 'westerners' we should live with the mores of our culture which says these grandfather/child relationships are sick and only a little bit less sick than ****philia which is against the law. in this case the stronger set of mores and decency rules should triumph, not the weaker set. don't take advantage of the situation.
sure, for example, getting high on weed in jamaica is normal or a great thing does not mean you can buy the weed in jamaica and take it home. just not accepted and illegal.
finding a girl 1/3 your age to fuck and abuse (or love and abuse) may be accepted in these desperately poor third world countries because they need the money but would look awfully odd to bring her back home.
i don't think there will be many friends, family colleagues in the home countries that will give you many high fives for scoring and capturing with some 18 yo bimbo.
getting old sucks but it is a fact of life. try to live with people within your own generation or at most one distant. anything more is abnormal.
even some professional bg with any self respect, would rather not go with some ancient customers if they had the choice but the choice is limited because they often just need money to eat or sleep for the present day. i'm am not saying there is anything wrong with nr (the original poster), he may be the most upright pillar of society in terms of look, dress, hygiene, finances, education etc. but he and all of us should know better.
any girl who chooses to have a ltr with a customer/lover with such a generational gap must be leaving some screws on the table. does any relationship want to be perceived that way?
maybe i'm wrong.
just because you can do it does not mean you should. try some common sense and decency.
if you really want to help our some desperately poor 3rd world country, marry one of them in a decent age range. take care of her and her family (utang na loob).
then use your resources wisely, give charity and offer your time and experience as a volunteer to make change in the country. build a school, help them get drinking water. become a teacher. donate medicine. don't abuse their children.
kindness, gentility, compassion?? surely, you must mean, perversion.
yf i am expeditiously approaching 30. so i wouldn’t be classified as old but i am no longer young. that being said i think your post is out of line. just because a guy is 20-30 or 60 his taste in young women may not change.
what you’re trying to do is control human behavior. i still like to fuck the odd 18-19 year old when i get the opportunity. most people are attracted to youth/nubiles its human nature. the only time i have problem when they people say the girls prefer this or that they are all different.
Dodger Bulldog
07-25-09, 04:08
...mores of our culture
...sick
...only a little bit less sick than ****philia
...stronger set of mores and decency rules
...fuck and abuse
...anything more is abnormal.
...should know better.
...leaving some screws on the table.
...try some common sense and decency.
...surely, you must mean, perversion.
maybe i'm wrong.
yes, i do believe you are.
remember we are talking about adult women of legal age, not babies or children.
we are talking about the most basic of human drives, one that evolution instilled in us as necessary to propagate the species.
and you view it as "sick" and a "perversion."
since you enjoy throwing around these words like "sick," abnormal," "perversion," etc., you have encouraged me to go a little further than i normally would, and say exactly what i think.
now as you said in your post, no offense intended, yellow fever.
but i am appalled that anyone can be so sure of his own extremely narrow-minded opinions, and pass such nasty moral judgments towards others.
you must truly be one sick puppy.
db
Wicked Roger
07-25-09, 05:55
Yes, I do believe you are.
Since you enjoy throwing around these words like "sick," abnormal," "perversion," etc., you have encoouraged me to go a little further than I normally would, and say exactly what I think.
Now as you said in your post, no offense intended, Yellow Fever.
But I am appalled that anyone can be so sure of his own extremely narrow-minded opinions, and pass such nasty moral judgments towards others.
You must truly be one sick puppy.
DB
I would second (and third) the comment here about YF's comments. Appalling and very narrow minded - other words spring to mind but Jackson may consider it flaming ...
GE's perspective is excellent and he has been living in the country for many years and is more knowledgeable than many as he lives there has first hand experience etc
As I have FR before, I have friends happily married with enormous age gaps, I have had girlfriends early 20s and the age gap is over 30 years and everyone (including my friends) were happy (some very jealous and envious :D)
YF - if you have such an aversion to the age gap why are you on a mongers board that mainly focuses on guys shagging younger nubile girls....maybe Jackson can give you a thread for mongers who like to shag girls their own age (or fuglies as some members have put it). Am sure you have lots of contributors (from yourself).
Age is unimportant if you have feelings and everyone is happy, NR was bold enough to state his feelings and predicament in public and that takes some guts, he should be applauded for that. If he and his lady are comfortable then fine...he is not breaking the law
Perhaps whereever you are based you dont get an opportunity to be with nubile girls in the late teens early 20s, and are jealous....maybe you should change your handle to Green Fever instead ...
I completely agree with DB, GE, and the photo from the X-man.
And I think X illustrates that not only do May-December romances exist in the western world, they are celebrated by the media. Pretty much every aging rock star (Jagger, Richards, McCartney) all have 30-40 year age differences with their girlfriend or wife.
I also like DB's point about how Disney corrupts the young minds with such inane bullshit as Beauty and the Beast, Snowwhite, et. all.
If you have enough money in the west, you can pretty much order your mate.
And do you think the Filipinos are any different? Hell no. My neighbor from my home state is Filipino. Actually is 101 years old (no kidding) and fought in WWII in the Philippines. We had a huge party when he hit 100. His wife you ask? I am guessing she might be 50.
When I first met them years ago, they invited me over for dinner one night and I mistakenly asked if she was his daughter (oops!). No, I am his wife was the reply. Lady doesn't look a day over 50.
Marriage to me in general is an archaic concept, but some people don't like to be alone or out chasing pussy so they accept a life partner and blah, blah, you know the rest.
Marriage for love (I believe) is an even crazier concept. And I think females know this from a very young age. Of course everyone wants to find 'the one' who makes the sun rise and set, but pretty much like Disney movies, I believe those are fairy tales. And don't forget the fairy tale of all time, "Pretty Woman".
Mr. Fever, I have no idea why you would post a report like that. Admonishing fellow mongers on a monger board for chasing young pussy is pissing in the wind. I actually believe the opposite is the case, and anyone north of 60 who can still monger with 18-22 year old filipina should be celebrated. Fuck, my old man is 76 and still out chasing pussy (and catching them too!). Tells me his latest hottie is 51. "She looks good naked Carmex", is what he says.
I can only hope and pray that when I am his age I have half of what he does.
Dodger Bulldog
07-25-09, 06:42
And don't forget the fairy tale of all time, "Pretty Woman"Great point, Carmex! Excellent.
It is one of the favorite movies of just about every woman (and little girl) I've ever met.
The guy was about twice her age, and a billionaire.
He offered her $3000 for a week of sex. She fell in love with him, not his money, of course.
The ultimate chic flick is about prostituting oneself out to an wealthy, old, gray-haired man. It's every female's fantasy.
How rich!
Such irony in super moral America, no less.
And as I quote from the movie itself, it was all based on "Cinder-fucking-rella."
DB
FreebieFan
07-25-09, 07:52
And continuing the thread. Literally ust returned one hour ago from a great weekend with a 20 year old student I know.
I'm in mid 50's. When I first met she told me that she gets on better with older men. They understand her better. She looks good with me and looks great in my bed. Shes never asked for a cent. And never made any comment about my age. So for those who don't like the age diffference thing. Enjoy your opinions, but for the rest of us who do. You know just how damn good I'm feeling today.
i am now over fifty, my wife is not interested in sex (well not with me anyway!) so what do i do?
do i just put my cock into retirement? no!! i go looking for pussy.
i've tried my age bracket, i've tried the older market, yes the over sixties. actually quite good fun.
i've tried the foreign eastern european worker in uk market
i've tried the kiev market (very good but often a bit cold)
so its logical to try the younger market and of course pi is the best (imho) dont like thais cos of language problem
as long as the girls are not **** and are happy to get laid then i personally don't have a problem.
i like to think i treat the girls nice, buy them small gifts show them some affection, take them out for meals.
taking them back home is another matter altogether. some guys do others don't.
Soapy Smith
07-25-09, 08:53
And I think X illustrates that not only do May-December romances exist in the western world, they are celebrated by the media. Pretty much every aging rock star (Jagger, Richards, McCartney) all have 30-40 year age differences with their girlfriend or wife.
And don't forget Demi Moore, Susan Sarandon, Cher, Tina Turner, Goldie Hawn, Madonna, etc. For them the age differences may be only 10 to 20 years, but the same lesson is illustrated.
GoodEnough
07-25-09, 09:01
And as I quote from the movie itself, it was all based on "Cinder-fucking-rella."
DB
Well, actually it was based on George Bernard Shaw's Pygmalion but it does speak to the supposedly universal male fantasy of finding a diamond in the rough and polishing it to our specifications. I guess that's another aspect of the "relationship" issue and, who knows, maybe it's every woman's fantasy to be totally pampered and cared for by a wise, kind, rich older man. If that's true, then the equation balances and each person gets what he/she needs from the relationship. What could be better?
GE
Chocha Monger
07-25-09, 09:29
Well, it seems that the storm blow up by the busting of an 18 yr old hymen is still raging. If young girls want to fuck old men for their money they can very well do so. There is no law against that. Some people get riled up at the thought of a geriatric cock penetrating a teenage pussy. This is especially true in America where 18 yr olds can’t even buy alcohol. Most Americans can’t bear the thought of old people fucking. They consider it traumatic to their psyche. For this reason geriatric porn has never found much of a market in the United States. The average life expectancy of an American man is about 75 yrs. So someone in their late sixties can expect to be dead before any kids fathered with an 18 yr old reaches 10 yrs of age. This brings up questions about the ethical nature of leaving behind a 25 yr old widow with children. Would the senior citizen make arrangements for the care of his young family in the event of his death? Some don’t or can’t. I think when people see these cases it turns them against the whole idea of geriatric/teen love.
Then it comes down to the litmus test of fairness. How many of us mongers at 18 yrs of age would have been happy to fuck and suck some 68 yr old chick even if she was a sugar mama and bought us nice things?
In reality, the strong feed upon the weak. That is the basic structure of life on this planet. Being capable of adequately feeding, clothing and sheltering ourselves, or having parents who provided for us, meant that we didn’t have to lick geriatric pussies to survive. Had we been living in grinding poverty like the Mandinka boys in Gambia we’d have dined on, nay, feasted on that 68 yr old pussy in all probability to secure a few days of food. When you live in poverty it is not about what you’d like to do sometimes, it’s about what you have to do to make it through to the next day. Perhaps, those of us visiting or taking up residence in the Third World need to keep this in mind.
Hollywood celebrities are hardly representative of the norm in American society. They have shown themselves to be above the law and common standards of conduct time and time again. The average citizen can’t get away with what a celebrity can. In any case, do we really want to emulate those people? Not to mention that we can hardly compare the lives of Hollywood actresses who have an Electra complex to the lives of impoverished Filipinas living on less than 2 USD/day. If geriatric mongers want to fuck women half a century younger they can do so without having to justify it to anyone. They’re not accountable to anyone on this board. So we don’t have to candy coat anything. It is what it is.
Then it comes down to the litmus test of fairness. How many of us mongers at 18 yrs of age would have been happy to fuck and suck some 68 yr old chick even if she was a sugar mama and bought us nice things?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=878588&postcount=1629
I called a prominent PI board member on this when he basically said us young mongers suck and the girls prefer the older guys. I said the same thing you said only in a nicer way :)
I guess that's another aspect of the "relationship" issue and, who knows, maybe it's every woman's fantasy to be totally pampered and cared for by a wise, kind, rich older man.
If that's true, then the equation balances and each person gets what he/she needs from the relationship. What could be better?
GE
Not just yea, but Fuck Yea!!
Yellow Fever #2
07-25-09, 11:03
I would second (and third) the comment here about YF's comments. Appalling and very narrow minded - other words spring to mind but Jackson may consider it flaming ...
GE's perspective is excellent and he has been living in the country for many years and is more knowledgeable than many as he lives there has first hand experience etc
As I have FR before, I have friends happily married with enormous age gaps, I have had girlfriends early 20s and the age gap is over 30 years and everyone (including my friends) were happy (some very jealous and envious :D)
YF - if you have such an aversion to the age gap why are you on a mongers board that mainly focuses on guys shagging younger nubile girls....maybe Jackson can give you a thread for mongers who like to shag girls their own age (or fuglies as some members have put it). Am sure you have lots of contributors (from yourself).
Age is unimportant if you have feelings and everyone is happy, NR was bold enough to state his feelings and predicament in public and that takes some guts, he should be applauded for that. If he and his lady are comfortable then fine...he is not breaking the law
Perhaps whereever you are based you dont get an opportunity to be with nubile girls in the late teens early 20s, and are jealous....maybe you should change your handle to Green Fever instead ...
I am in my early 40s and mongering since I was in my early 20s. I have plenty of experience on 3 continents.
I've actually always enjoyed mature women, 25 or 30+ is great for me. I feel a little guilty with younger girls and anything less than 20 I feel is not necessary. There are many other girls that have more choice and intellectual capacity for my interests.
I live in Southern China and post in Shenzhen/Shanghai and other cities inside China. I was drawn to this particular forum because of my personal experience with a Flipina BG in Shanghai. A relationship that failed not due to age differences. I've posted a lot about it in this PI forums.
We can all agree there is a difference between and 8 yo and a 13 yo. A similar difference between a 13yo and an 18yo. I think at 18 it *may* be legal but still not right. I think there is a considerable difference between still an 18yo and a 25yo in maturity and ability to understand. The differences in age matter much less after 25, a 25yo and a 30yo are more similar. As we get older we change less.
This 18yo in NR case was not ready. She needs to explore herself more.
This is just my POV.
Call it flaming if you want. I call it open discussion.
Yellow Fever
Lustforthrust
07-25-09, 12:27
Nothing is right or wrong. It's how society views it and how it affects you. Hugh Heffner doesn't give a fuck. Not the same for an average Joe who is 66 and his 18 year old partner living in the developed world.
But I call a bs on this story. It's hard to believe that any economically disadvantaged and intellectually dificient 18 year old is a virgin in the PI. If nothing else, one of her many male relatives would have been her predator years ago.
nothing is right or wrong. it's how society views it and how it affects you. hugh heffner doesn't give a fuck. not the same for an average joe who is 66 and his 18 year old partner living in the developed world.
but i call a bs on this story. it's hard to believe that any economically disadvantaged and intellectually dificient 18 year old is a virgin in the pi. if nothing else, one of her many male relatives would have been her predator years ago.
what knightrider1 does in his life is his own decision. initially he asked for advice from the board. we surely gave it to him filling pages and pages.
he never mentioned he is going to marry the girl. he is lamenting that he had planned this elaborate busting the hymen procedure on his next visit. natuarally he is upset and betrayed when the girl told him she was "forced,semi-raped ( if there is such a thing), made horny against her will, entered her vagina without her feeling it etc". all the while this is going on she is hellbent on saving her virginity for knightrider1. why she went to the man's room, why she took off her clothes,why she did not have the heart to say no, why she laid on the bed can only be known to the girl. maybe the guy had given her a date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drug.
while i was in college my girlfriend told me one of her friends was crying all next day after she willingly lost her virginity. i guess some girls feel that way.
even if knightrider1 wants to marry her and take her to his country it is very good for the girl. she will have a world of opportunity to get educated, meet friends her own age, get self respect etc. all she has to do is open her legs and keep her mouth shut for 2 years if here in usa till she gets permanent residency.
i am sure if knightrider1 is really wants a virgin girl to be his bride there probably are many in se countries. accusing some guy of [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) the girl without clear evidence is bad.
i think it is time to put this matter to rest and we all can go on our daily quest to bust virgins-lol!
Yellow Fever. You've used some expressions that are way over the top: perversion / abnormal... I'm not sure why you pick such inflammatory language even while you post very calm and legitimate arguements.
Although you've created a firestorm, you've consistently presented legit arguements. You've made me think things over a few times.
I doubt I'll ever agree with you (about the age issue), but thanks for the interesting discussion.
X
8 vs 13 years old is a red herring.
When I was a teen i had a 30ish uncle tell me that he thought the same way as when he was 18, although younger people think a 30ish guy is way old.
I am in my early 40s and mongering since I was in my early 20s. I have plenty of experience on 3 continents.
I've actually always enjoyed mature women, 25 or 30+ is great for me. I feel a little guilty with younger girls and anything less than 20 I feel is not necessary. There are many other girls that have more choice and intellectual capacity for my interests.
I live in Southern China and post in Shenzhen/Shanghai and other cities inside China. I was drawn to this particular forum because of my personal experience with a Flipina BG in Shanghai. A relationship that failed not due to age differences. I've posted a lot about it in this PI forums.
We can all agree there is a difference between and 8 yo and a 13 yo. A similar difference between a 13yo and an 18yo. I think at 18 it *may* be legal but still not right. I think there is a considerable difference between still an 18yo and a 25yo in maturity and ability to understand. The differences in age matter much less after 25, a 25yo and a 30yo are more similar. As we get older we change less.
This 18yo in NR case was not ready. She needs to explore herself more.
This is just my POV.
Call it flaming if you want. I call it open discussion.
Yellow Fever
GoodEnough
07-25-09, 16:12
Maybe, in the end, and after all the rationalizations it comes down to doing if because you can, and because you're not breaking any laws in so doing and because you're not hurting anyone.
GE
Cunning Stunt
07-25-09, 17:46
Interesting discussion although I've often thought and said that if you are a declared monger (and if you are not what are you doing here?), it does smell a bit of rank hypocrisy if you attempt to assume the moral high ground and criticize other mongers for perfectly legal and acceptable practices, just because you happen to find them not to your taste. As GE rightly points out if it is not illegal, hurts anybody and takes place between consenting adults, whats is the problem?
The trouble with the more mature mongers (I think, for I am a mere stripling of 52;)), is that they are usually where they want to be financially and lifestyle wise and are often retired, so have a lot more time on their hands. But they still have that persistent itch that requires scratching. Golf, gardening and other pointless pursuits go some way to address this itch but often, only the company of a silky haired, smooth skinned nubile young wench really does the business and really get to the root of that irritating fucking itch.
Incidentally I thought 'My Fair Lady' was based on Pygmalion, rather than 'Pretty Woman'? Maybe they both were but I do know that GBS was a notorious skirt chaser who was chasing young ladies well into his dotage, long after he had forgotten the reason why, had he caught one! An example to us all.
P.S Sorry if the above does not make much sense - have just come in from addressing my own personal itch and probably had one too many SMB's:).
Chocha Monger
07-25-09, 18:56
this whole older guy busting virgin teenage pussy reminds me of notorious monger and businessman, larry lee hillblom. he was a co-founder of dhl and a billionaire. on trips to the vietnam, micronesia and the philippines, larry paid virgins to allow him the privilege of busting their cherries. he was a bareback monger and preoccupied with the thought of catching aids. larry was a true love them and leave them sort of guy, he never recognized any of his bastards. then one day his plan crashed and that was the end of good old larry. since he was a billionaire his ex-cherry girls came out of the woodwork and hired lawyers to lay a claim on his estate. investigators soon found that his house had been sanitized of all dna evidence. his relatives refused to provide dna samples at first, but investigators were able to convince his mother to cooperate for a substantial bribe. it was determined that larry had sired four children; 2 from the philippines, one from vietnam and another from palau. each of the children received 90 million dollars from the estate.
the hillblom story had a third world fairy tale ending. many others aren’t so lucky. there are mongers out there dumping their loads in these young desperate girls. some of them have families in their home countries who know nothing of their activities. others might be close to the poverty line at home living off a meager pension. when these guys croak the children’s support go with them and the young mothers end up selling their asses in bars to feed them. the girls may dream about some kindly old man from the west who will hand out candy canes, stacks of cash and big houses. sometimes they end up with a nightmare instead. all parties don’t always end up with what they want or even what they need. it’s not always the girls that get a raw deal sometimes. many older mongers end up getting beaten or killed by their younger partner’s lover. this is not limited to the poor asian countries, it is fairly common in latin america too. one stunningly beautiful girl was surprisingly frank about the matter. she said, “i had sex with the old man during the day because he supported me financially. what else could an old man do for me? but at night i had sex with a man my own age. he didn’t have money but he was the one that i really loved."
at one time i thought i knew what poverty was, as it turned out i didn’t have a fucking clue. i soon found out what really constituted poverty when the garbage truck from the us facility had to be guarded by soldiers with locked and loaded assault rifles. people cheered as the truck rolled into the landfill, some even ran alongside it. the scene was more like that of a un food aid vehicle approaching a third world disaster zone rather than that of a garbage truck entering a dump. the scene was surreal and post-apocalyptical in nature. armed soldiers stood guard on the parapet overlooking the trench that the truck dumped the load of refuse into. local men and women did battle at the bottom of the trench for items salvaged from the trash. naked toddlers wandered among the burning piles of garbage as smoke, flies and the stench of decay filled the humid air.
it’s not hard to imagine why a poor girl would say anything to avoid a life like that. all i am saying is that the seniors shouldn’t go into this with eyes wide shut thinking that it is something else. obviously, i have no issues with old guys paying for sex with younger women. some of these guys get caught up in the fantasy and end up disappointed. if you’re sitting at home in your retirement community thinking that an 18 yr old filipina is feverishly nursing her cherry in anticipation of the arrival of your gray goose to pluck that cherry, then you may be setting yourself up for a huge let down. also, remember the circle of life. if you’re not comfortable with the thought of other geriatric mongers rooting your 18 yr old half-filipina daughter/granddaughter then make arrangements for their support after you’re gone. i can tell you an anecdote about a retired serviceman who returned to the philippines two decades after serving there only to accidentally root his own illegitimate daughter who grew up to become a bargirl, but the story is much too sad.
GoodEnough
07-26-09, 01:19
Interesting discussion although I've often thought and said that if you are a declared monger (and if you are not what are you doing here?), it does smell a bit of rank hypocrisy if you attempt to assume the moral high ground and criticize other mongers for perfectly legal and acceptable practices, just because you happen to find them not to your taste. As GE rightly points out if it is not illegal, hurts anybody and takes place between consenting adults, whats is the problem?
The trouble with the more mature mongers (I think, for I am a mere stripling of 52;)), is that they are usually where they want to be financially and lifestyle wise and are often retired, so have a lot more time on their hands. But they still have that persistent itch that requires scratching. Golf, gardening and other pointless pursuits go some way to address this itch but often, only the company of a silky haired, smooth skinned nubile young wench really does the business and really get to the root of that irritating fucking itch.
Incidentally I thought 'My Fair Lady' was based on Pygmalion, rather than 'Pretty Woman'? Maybe they both were but I do know that GBS was a notorious skirt chaser who was chasing young ladies well into his dotage, long after he had forgotten the reason why, had he caught one! An example to us all.
P.S Sorry if the above does not make much sense - have just come in from addressing my own personal itch and probably had one too many SMB's:).
My Fair Lady was based on Pygmalion, and so was Pretty Woman, and maybe both speak to the desire to mold "the perfect woman." I don't exactly see myself as Henry Higgins (for one thing I don't think he ever screwed Eliza), but it does give me some pleasure to have what I hope is a positive impact on the lives of some people. I assume there are many out there who feel the same way. If this is ego gratification, the attempt to generate positive karma or stems from some other motivation, it doesn't really matter to me as it conforms to my three criteria: it's legal; it hurts no one; and I can.
GE
this whole older guy busting virgin teenage pussy reminds me of notorious monger and businessman, larry lee hillblom. he was a co-founder of dhl and a billionaire. on trips to the vietnam, micronesia and the philippines, larry paid virgins to allow him the privilege of busting their cherries. he was a bareback monger and preoccupied with the thought of catching aids. larry was a true love them and leave them sort of guy, he never recognized any of his bastards. then one day his plan crashed and that was the end of good old larry. since he was a billionaire his ex-cherry girls came out of the woodwork and hired lawyers to lay a claim on his estate. investigators soon found that his house had been sanitized of all dna evidence. his relatives refused to provide dna samples at first, but investigators were able to convince his mother to cooperate for a substantial bribe. it was determined that larry had sired four children; 2 from the philippines, one from vietnam and another from palau. each of the children received 90 million dollars from the estate.
the hillblom story had a third world fairy tale ending. many others aren’t so lucky. there are mongers out there dumping their loads in these young desperate girls. some of them have families in their home countries who know nothing of their activities. others might be close to the poverty line at home living off a meager pension. when these guys croak the children’s support go with them and the young mothers end up selling their asses in bars to feed them. the girls may dream about some kindly old man from the west who will hand out candy canes, stacks of cash and big houses. sometimes they end up with a nightmare instead. all parties don’t always end up with what they want or even what they need. it’s not always the girls that get a raw deal sometimes. many older mongers end up getting beaten or killed by their younger partner’s lover. this is not limited to the poor asian countries, it is fairly common in latin america too. one stunningly beautiful girl was surprisingly frank about the matter. she said, “i had sex with the old man during the day because he supported me financially. what else could an old man do for me? but at night i had sex with a man my own age. he didn’t have money but he was the one that i really loved."
at one time i thought i knew what poverty was, as it turned out i didn’t have a fucking clue. i soon found out what really constituted poverty when the garbage truck from the us facility had to be guarded by soldiers with locked and loaded assault rifles. people cheered as the truck rolled into the landfill, some even ran alongside it. the scene was more like that of a un food aid vehicle approaching a third world disaster zone rather than that of a garbage truck entering a dump. the scene was surreal and post-apocalyptical in nature. armed soldiers stood guard on the parapet overlooking the trench that the truck dumped the load of refuse into. local men and women did battle at the bottom of the trench for items salvaged from the trash. naked toddlers wandered among the burning piles of garbage as smoke, flies and the stench of decay filled the humid air.
it’s not hard to imagine why a poor girl would say anything to avoid a life like that. all i am saying is that the seniors shouldn’t go into this with eyes wide shut thinking that it is something else. obviously, i have no issues with old guys paying for sex with younger women. some of these guys get caught up in the fantasy and end up disappointed. if you’re sitting at home in your retirement community thinking that an 18 yr old filipina is feverishly nursing her cherry in anticipation of the arrival of your gray goose to pluck that cherry, then you may be setting yourself up for a huge let down. also, remember the circle of life. if you’re not comfortable with the thought of other geriatric mongers rooting your 18 yr old half-filipina daughter/granddaughter then make arrangements for their support after you’re gone. i can tell you an anecdote about a retired serviceman who returned to the philippines two decades after serving there only to accidentally root his own illegitimate daughter who grew up to become a bargirl, but the story is much too sad.
good post and how true. most of the mongers, judging by their posting, only give thought to the 5 minutes of fun and the hell with the consequences. it will never change as too many boneheads doing just what you posted.
Tungsten Chef
07-26-09, 04:53
As I stated in a previous post the old man quit his job and sits on his ass at home thanks to my money. Once my wife moves here I don't give the family a plug nickel. When we were in Bantayin the relatives asked me if I was going to support the family. I said no way, why should I. I don't give 2 shits if this is the Philapino way once the daughter marries a foreigner. What the hell did they live on when I wasn't around?? Case closed.
The more I go there the more I see how they try to get something. The money tree in the backyard lost a few leaves, but they've grown back and that tree will stay that way from now on. Heres some of the bullshit I put up with last trip...
Booze hound brother had the key to our house and would wash his clothes when we were in Bantayin. He also took great joy in washing down my Heineken imports, Jack Daniels, and San Migs.
When the family came from Bayugan to Cebu for the wedding we wired cash for 7 of them to come. The lazy one controlled the money and when they showed up there were only 5 of them. Granny and auntie stayed behind so dad could have the extra cash. Feeling bad that granny couldn't make it we wired her 1000p the next day. What do you think happened? She never made it, but happily pocketed the pesos.
My wife stayed at aunties before the house we rented became available. She would pay some of the bills. All said and done. A week or so after the wedding auntie asks my wife to borrow 1200p saying she never got money from her sister in Manila and she needs to pay the electric bill. Auntie #2 was in town before heading back to Bantayin and told my wife to forget about the 1200p being repaid. Apparently my wife owed her on some bills. Bullshit.
Auntie #2 wants to borrow 1000p to go back home to Bantayin. I said forget it. You won't never get it back.
My wife bought a travelling bag. When the aunt's maid moved to Manila my wife let her use it. My wife got to use the relatives suitcase. Uncle was in Butuan and wanted the suitcase back. In the end my wife's out 400p.
Everyone sure crawls out of the woodwork when a foreigner is in the picture. Like I said I've learned. Now it's gonna be a completely different story in regards to dishing out money. I don't really want to see any of them when I return. What's funny is the woman who was our chaperone married a Canadian too. They have a baby coming this month. The thing is the family don't see the guy much. They think he's snobbish. I think it's cause they smell money.
As I stated in a previous post the old man quit his job and sits on his ass at home thanks to my money. Once my wife moves here I don't give the family a plug nickel. When we were in Bantayin the relatives asked me if I was going to support the family. I said no way, why should I. I don't give 2 shits if this is the Philapino way once the daughter marries a foreigner. What the hell did they live on when I wasn't around?? Case closed.
The more I go there the more I see how they try to get something. The money tree in the backyard lost a few leaves, but they've grown back and that tree will stay that way from now on. Heres some of the bullshit I put up with last trip...
Booze hound brother had the key to our house and would wash his clothes when we were in Bantayin. He also took great joy in washing down my Heineken imports, Jack Daniels, and San Migs.
When the family came from Bayugan to Cebu for the wedding we wired cash for 7 of them to come. The lazy one controlled the money and when they showed up there were only 5 of them. Granny and auntie stayed behind so dad could have the extra cash. Feeling bad that granny couldn't make it we wired her 1000p the next day. What do you think happened? She never made it, but happily pocketed the pesos.
My wife stayed at aunties before the house we rented became available. She would pay some of the bills. All said and done. A week or so after the wedding auntie asks my wife to borrow 1200p saying she never got money from her sister in Manila and she needs to pay the electric bill. Auntie #2 was in town before heading back to Bantayin and told my wife to forget about the 1200p being repaid. Apparently my wife owed her on some bills. Bullshit.
Auntie #2 wants to borrow 1000p to go back home to Bantayin. I said forget it. You won't never get it back.
My wife bought a travelling bag. When the aunt's maid moved to Manila my wife let her use it. My wife got to use the relatives suitcase. Uncle was in Butuan and wanted the suitcase back. In the end my wife's out 400p.
Everyone sure crawls out of the woodwork when a foreigner is in the picture. Like I said I've learned. Now it's gonna be a completely different story in regards to dishing out money. I don't really want to see any of them when I return. What's funny is the woman who was our chaperone married a Canadian too. They have a baby coming this month. The thing is the family don't see the guy much. They think he's snobbish. I think it's cause they smell money.
T any impoverished or down on her luck Filipina/family who nets (marries) a foreigner is lucky is as all hell. I think someone on ISG said it is the equivalent of winning the lottery for them.
Now if that guy is young 20-30s and has “old man money”.... simply extraordinary. This why I won’t get married. I know on this side of the world I am the catch. Not the women. Lucky me my ole lady lived aboard most her life so no relatives asking for money and even if they did I would just say uh uh.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uh+uh
That’s Ghetto English for no.
Enjoy your new life brother.
FreebieFan
07-28-09, 01:00
This whole older guy busting virgin teenage pussy reminds me of notorious monger and businessman, Larry Lee Hillblom. He was a co-founder of DHL and a billionaire. On trips to the Vietnam, Micronesia and the Philippines, Larry paid virgins to allow him the privilege of busting their cherries. He was a bareback monger and preoccupied with the thought of catching AIDS. Larry was a true love them and leave them sort of guy, he never recognized any of his bastards. Then one day his plan crashed and that was the end of good old Larry. Since he was a billionaire his ex-cherry girls came out of the woodwork and hired lawyers to lay a claim on his estate. Investigators soon found that his house had been sanitized of all DNA evidence. His relatives refused to provide DNA samples at first, but investigators were able to convince his mother to cooperate for a substantial bribe. It was determined that Larry had sired four children; 2 from the Philippines, one from Vietnam and another from Palau. Each of the children received 90 million dollars from the estate.One of his ackonwledged sons used to go to the British school in Manila. The mother wasnt bad either. Could tell she had been a BG but had smartened herself up nicely.
FreebieFan
07-28-09, 01:06
[QUOTE=Cunning Stun
The trouble with the more mature mongers (I think, for I am a mere stripling of 52;)), is that they are usually where they want to be financially and lifestyle wise and are often retired, so have a lot more time on their hands. But they still have that persistent itch that requires scratching. Golf, gardening and other pointless pursuits go some way to address this itch but often, only the company of a silky haired, smooth skinned nubile young wench really does the business and really get to the root of that irritating fucking itch.[/QUOTE]Scary.. I was reading this and thought this sounded just like me ! Even down to being the youthful young lad of 52!
Chocha Monger
07-28-09, 01:15
T any impoverished or down on her luck Filipina/family who nets (marries) a foreigner is lucky is as all hell. I think someone on ISG said it is the equivalent of winning the lottery for them.
Now if that guy is young 20-30s and has “old man money”.... simply extraordinary. This why I won’t get married. I know on this side of the world I am the catch. Not the women. Lucky me my ole lady lived aboard most her life so no relatives asking for money and even if they did I would just say uh uh.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uh+uh
That’s Ghetto English for no.
Enjoy your new life brother.
I'd think if the rich foreigner didn't support the impoverished Filipina's family after marrying her his life wouldn't be much fun. I'm sure that the family would put pressure on the wife and make her feel guilty for turning her back on them to go live in "luxury" with her cash cow. After all, we're talking about the people who shared their rice with her until she grew big enough to use her pussy to catch a foreigner. From the family's point of view they made an investment in getting her grown to the point where she's nice and fuckable. When a foreigner marries their daughter, takes her away and refuses to send money they must feel like he stole the family pig they were fattening for years.
As far as they're concerned sending her to a bar would be a much better deal than letting her marry a foreigner who is not going to financially support them. Eventually, the family will convince her to take the foreigner to the cleaners as soon as she gets her green card. And who can blame her when poor papa and mama are still living in a shack? This girl could have remained with her family selling her good stuff in a bar to help her family. Why should she let some foreigner root her for free while her family lives in a shit-hole?
Tungsten Chef
07-28-09, 02:08
I'd think if the rich foreigner didn't support the impoverished Filipina's family after marrying her his life wouldn't be much fun. I'm sure that the family would put pressure on the wife and make her feel guilty for turning her back on them to go live in "luxury" with her cash cow. After all, we're talking about the people who shared their rice with her until she grew big enough to use her pussy to catch a foreigner. From the family's point of view they made an investment in getting her grown to the point where she's nice and fuckable. When a foreigner marries their daughter, takes her away and refuses to send money they must feel like he stole the family pig they were fattening for years.
As far as they're concerned sending her to a bar would be a much better deal than letting her marry a foreigner who is not going to financially support them. Eventually, the family will convince her to take the foreigner to the cleaners as soon as she gets her green card. And who can blame her when poor papa and mama are still living in a shack? This girl could have remained with her family selling her good stuff in a bar to help her family. Why should she let some foreigner root her for free while her family lives in a shit-hole?Family pig?? Sounds like you really respect the women.
Tungsten Chef
07-28-09, 02:11
T any impoverished or down on her luck Filipina/family who nets (marries) a foreigner is lucky is as all hell. I think someone on ISG said it is the equivalent of winning the lottery for them.
Now if that guy is young 20-30s and has “old man money”.... simply extraordinary. This why I won’t get married. I know on this side of the world I am the catch. Not the women. Lucky me my ole lady lived aboard most her life so no relatives asking for money and even if they did I would just say uh uh.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uh+uh
That’s Ghetto English for no.
Enjoy your new life brother.I'll be looking for a "death squad" to take out her dad. None of the family likes the prick anyway.
Cunning Stunt
07-28-09, 03:22
I will never forget the time that I first met my Filipino brother-in-law. Within the hour he had me ensconced in a corner with a SMB in my hand and a bemused look on my face as he mapped out his future life course, which seemed to me to largely consist of spending my money. I thought it was a joke but he was deadly serious. I soon put him straight (although he has never entirely got the message) and through him the rest of the extended family who were waiting, tongues a lolling, in the wings.
You are really not doing them any great favours by marrying their dearly beloved cash cow. You introduce a conflict of interests and disharmony into their formerly simple rustic lives. If you are not careful, formerly hard working farming relatives hang up their carabou’s and join the ranks of the feckless throngs, waiting for a hand out. So hard love is the best policy and try to make it clear from the outset that you are not the barangays first mobile ATM. Before long they might get the message and go back to their simple lives sponging off the earnings of their OFW relatives;).
However, despite my best resolve, and due to the clever maneuvering and wily feminine charms of a certain clever creature over the intervening years, I seem to have dipped in my pocket to buy/build 2 houses in the provinces plus a few trifling tricycles and two FX’s.
Now how did that happen?:D
Long time reader, thanks for your many insights, and let us not forget your posted photos! Many thanks. Okay, lets be honest, your photos, they rock! Hit Harrisons as a result of one of your photo posts.
A question, is there a Tagalog word for the money we send, spend, give them, all willingly. You would think that there being a whole industry of people in this particular transaction ? Just wondering as I walk off to Western Union to send 5KP!
Thks again!
FreebieFan
07-28-09, 06:42
I will never forget the time that I first met my Filipino brother-in-law. Within the hour he had me ensconced in a corner with a SMB in my hand and a bemused look on my face as he mapped out his future life course, which seemed to me to largely consist of spending my money. I thought it was a joke but he was deadly serious. I soon put him straight (although he has never entirely got the message) and through him the rest of the extended family who were waiting, tongues a lolling, in the wings.
You are really not doing them any great favours by marrying their dearly beloved cash cow. You introduce a conflict of interests and disharmony into their formerly simple rustic lives. If you are not careful, formerly hard working farming relatives hang up their carabou’s and join the ranks of the feckless throngs, waiting for a hand out. So hard love is the best policy and try to make it clear from the outset that you are not the barangays first mobile ATM. Before long they might get the message and go back to their simple lives sponging off the earnings of their OFW relatives;).
However, despite my best resolve, and due to the clever maneuvering and wily feminine charms of a certain clever creature over the intervening years, I seem to have dipped in my pocket to buy/build 2 houses in the provinces plus a few trifling tricycles and two FX’s.
Now how did that happen?:DWow Mr Cunning, you clearly had a morning free. Your posts are everywhere.
Meanwhile I guess I hit hte "lucky " jackpot when I got wed. Have only ever been asked to render financial assistance with my extended family and that truly was a life/death situation. And even then the family later scrounged around all family members all over the world and managed to repay me half.
Just sharing this to provide a small recalibration, tho I do know I'm in the very very small minority that have not been hit on.
"uh, uh", is pretty common American Midwest English. Even for the white folk, whether they live in a ghetto or not. I regret the day I used the urbandictionary to clarify a point which you were misunderstanding. :-)
X
T any impoverished or down on her luck Filipina/family who nets (marries) a foreigner is lucky is as all hell. I think someone on ISG said it is the equivalent of winning the lottery for them.
Now if that guy is young 20-30s and has “old man money”.... simply extraordinary. This why I won’t get married. I know on this side of the world I am the catch. Not the women. Lucky me my ole lady lived aboard most her life so no relatives asking for money and even if they did I would just say uh uh.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uh+uh
That’s Ghetto English for no.
Enjoy your new life brother.
This is sad, so why am I laughin' my ass off?
I'd think if the rich foreigner didn't support the impoverished Filipina's family after marrying her his life wouldn't be much fun. I'm sure that the family would put pressure on the wife and make her feel guilty for turning her back on them to go live in "luxury" with her cash cow. After all, we're talking about the people who shared their rice with her until she grew big enough to use her pussy to catch a foreigner. From the family's point of view they made an investment in getting her grown to the point where she's nice and fuckable. When a foreigner marries their daughter, takes her away and refuses to send money they must feel like he stole the family pig they were fattening for years.
As far as they're concerned sending her to a bar would be a much better deal than letting her marry a foreigner who is not going to financially support them. Eventually, the family will convince her to take the foreigner to the cleaners as soon as she gets her green card. And who can blame her when poor papa and mama are still living in a shack? This girl could have remained with her family selling her good stuff in a bar to help her family. Why should she let some foreigner root her for free while her family lives in a shit-hole?
Chocha Monger
07-28-09, 07:22
Family pig?? Sounds like you really respect the women.
Yes, I do and pigs are considered to have high value in Pacific Island cultures. If they sacrifice the pig for a feast to celebrate your visit it is considered a great honor. I don't know where you're from but you don't seem to hold pigs in high regard. Let's chalk this one down to cultural differences.
Agree.
Although I think CM's post was partly sarcasm, it does hit on some unfortunate truths.
Beside the point, but I just finished reading "When Broken Glass Floats". The Cambodian author reminisces about her childhood during the Khmer Rouge atrocities. Read it and you can feel how valuable a pig can be.
X
Yes, I do and pigs are considered to have high value in Pacific Island cultures. If they sacrifice the pig for a feast to celebrate your visit it is considered a great honor. I don't know where you're from but you don't seem to hold pigs in high regard. Let's chalk this one down to cultural differences.
Chocha Monger
07-28-09, 07:35
This is sad, so why am I laughin' my ass off?
It's okay X Man, I laughed too until I realized how sad it was for the family to see years of farm or factory work walk away. Anyway, no one roots for free and these guys always end up paying more that if they had given papa a small pension for all the hard work he put in to raise a daughter in a poverty stricken country. Remember these girls have IMBRA and other laws on their side. Sooner or later they'll take the cheap ass foreigner to the cleaners once they pop out a few babies to give them good leverage.
And trust me when the troubles start you'll want papa in your corner.
Cunning Stunt
07-28-09, 09:42
Yes, I do and pigs are considered to have high value in Pacific Island cultures.Yeah, but I'll bet they are not so high valued in Mexico any more. Them fucking pigs have a lot to answer for:).
CT is hit or miss, but on this rare ocassion he has made a funny.
Yeah, but I'll bet they are not so high valued in Mexico any more. Them fucking pigs have a lot to answer for:).
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
Tungsten Chef
07-28-09, 14:24
This is sad, so why am I laughin' my ass off?Why?
You're divorced. I'm sure any shit like this puts a smile on your face.
Tungsten Chef
07-28-09, 14:49
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Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
Yellow Fever #2
07-28-09, 18:21
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
Although I agree the forum is for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex, this sub forum is called Filipinas - Opinions and Advice.
Except for the recent very short conversation about pigs, there has been a significant amount of heated discussion with varied opinions and advice.
For instance Tungsten's report about the family dipping their hands into his pockets was interesting and very valid. It is advice we should all take before plunging into a relationship with Filipinas.
Similarly our heated debates about
1. virgins and revirgination
2. filipinas who were virgins and then were devirginated (unfortunately for him, not by original suitor - Nightrider)
3. age differences between couples, especially in the 3rd world developing countries and the World's only 4th world country (Philippines)
all seem to be personal opinion and in many cases specific advice. Some of the posts have been downright hilarious while others have been incendiary.
What is wrong with the opinions and advice given in this subforum?
Yellow Fever
Member #4351
07-28-09, 18:24
I think he was referring to two comments which were basically personal insults by two excellent contributors to the forum. Had nothing to do with the fantastic "pig" post discussion (which hasn´t been touched).
Radical Guy
07-28-09, 18:55
I'll be looking for a "death squad" to take out her dad. None of the family likes the prick anyway.I'm sure we all know that the above statement was made in jest, but I would be careful what I said on a public forum. If, by chance, some fatal accident were to befall Dad, you might be a prime suspect.
Chocha Monger
07-29-09, 05:36
Pigs are so valuable to some indigenous peoples that special forces has gone so far as to sling load hogs into the jungle with Blackhawks to garner the cooperation of tribal chiefs in certain locations. When you live deep in the jungle paper currency has little value and possession of currency is a clear indication to guerrillas that a settlement had contact with outsiders. In these instances pigs are the preferred form of legal tender.
I've won the love and tender favors many a jungle and mountain girl with a few chickens or a plump piglet.
Tungsten Chef
07-29-09, 05:54
I'm sure we all know that the above statement was made in jest, but I would be careful what I said on a public forum. If, by chance, some fatal accident were to befall Dad, you might be a prime suspect.The prick almost got shot last year. He was working security at a farm in Mindanao. I guess a disgruntled employee wanted to take out the boss but ended up killing the body guard. If only.
He's an arrogant S.O.B. I never liked him at all. He left the family for quite awhile and ended up coming home with a son from another woman( I know that's nothing to be surprized about there). He abused his wife and the kids too. My wife don't like him nor do all the relatives.
I figured once we were married maybe that's what he was waiting for. Now he could pis off and do whatever. No more obligations to help his family. Worked in Butuan for a few months and than quit. What a fuckken embarrassment to the relatives. Living off a foreigner. Not for long though:)
Cunning Stunt
08-02-09, 06:35
Long time reader, thanks for your many insights, and let us not forget your posted photos! Many thanks. Okay, lets be honest, your photos, they rock! Hit Harrisons as a result of one of your photo posts.
A question, is there a Tagalog word for the money we send, spend, give them, all willingly. You would think that there being a whole industry of people in this particular transaction ? Just wondering as I walk off to Western Union to send 5KP!
Thks again!
Thanks for the kind words, Dameon. Hope your trip to HP was fruitful. It can be a bit hit and miss but it is not that hard to find girls, up for some fun, there. Just requires patience. It is, after all, the mall of choice for the many girls, who live in boarding houses close by, and who work in the bars of EDSA, Pasay and Malate.
Will shortly post some photo's of another HP catch.
As for your second question, I don't know what the Tagalog is for this kind of windfall but there will no doubt be an expression for it, which will probably translate as something like 'mug money':). But you are correct, the money transfer business is enormous (think of all the OFW's as well), and keep legions of people in work.
Dodger Bulldog
08-03-09, 11:53
Cunning Stunt,
I have a request.
I enjoy your posts, but wish I could understand them better. The use of acronyms throws me off. Just recently you have used OFW, SMB, and EDSA.
The meanings are probably very simple, but I'm clueless.
Those of us come here to learn from the more experienced members get stumped by these things.
If the term is not found in the board list of abreviations, it would be helpful if you spell it out at least once each post before then moving to the acronym.
Thank you for your consideration.
DB
Cunning Stunt,
I have a request.
I enjoy your posts, but wish I could understand them better. The use of acronyms throws me off. Just recently you have used OFW, SMB, and EDSA.
The meanings are probably very simple, but I'm clueless.
Those of us come here to learn from the more experienced members get stumped by these things.
If the term is not found in the board list of abreviations, it would be helpful if you spell it out at least once each post before then moving to the acronym.
Thank you for your consideration.
DB
OFW=Overseas Filipino Worker (balikbayan)
SMB=San Miguel Beer......AKA San Mig or Stubby
EDSA=A major traffic artery (Epifanio de los Santos Avenue) but here is commonly referring to an area across from the Heritage hotel with "girlie bars" such as Fire House, Checkers etc.
ES
Cunning Stunt
08-03-09, 17:22
I enjoy your posts, but wish I could understand them better. The use of acronyms throws me off. Just recently you have used OFW, SMB, and EDSA.
You are right - sorry mate - tend to assume that everyone is familiar with the commonly used acronyms and forget that this is not always the case. I will try and remember that in future posts.
But EDSA doesn't count as I didn't realize it was short for Epifanio de los Santos Avenue, ES. Thought it meant Every Day Slow Again!
This just sounds too good to be true, what do you guys think?
Basically, I signed up for FilipinaHeart about a month ago; I receive lots of interest on there (I'm sure anyone would) but unfortunately, most of them are 5's at best. Some are much older than I... and I'm a 30 year old Korean-American.
Well, finally after a month of being on the site and getting lots of interest from average and unattractive girls, I get an e-mail from a very pretty girl, and she tells me I'm really cute and leaves her e-mail address, which is @ Yahoo, which means she uses the messenger service.
I added her to my Yahoo messenger, and she accepted. We started talking just getting to know each other. Then she says she has a secret. Her secret is that when she was in college (she's 27) she used to be a hooker. She would stand out in front of her university, pretending to wait for someone, but then get in the car and negotiate a price. She said she once let some Chinese guy and his friends all bang her for 10,000 pesos.
I'm wondering why she's telling me this, but whatever. She now has a good job, and has her own place, and even her own car (a Honda Civic). So she doesn't do this kind of work anymore, but she said she had to do it to pay her tuition.
She says now, she doesn't need to do this because she makes enough money, and doesn't need a sugar daddy or anything like that. Hmm... OK. She then tells me one of her customers she was I guess in love with, looked almost like me. She said the only difference is that I don't wear glasses. She said this guy was her best fuck ever, and they were fucking for over a year but lost touch.
Anyway, because I look like this guy, she wanted to be only friends with me. I said 'sure', and she said, "yeah, it's not like we're going to start dating and get married". Later on in the conversation, she said that next time I visit the Phils, she can show me around on a tour but only in Manila, as she can't leave the city due to her job. She then says we can also have fun, and, "don't worry, I don't charge anymore!"
At this point I ask her if she's implying we should be fuck buddies, and she says yes. She says I look like a nice guy and that I am a nice guy, but to leave that for my real relationship, and leave my naughty side to her.
Now, I guess none of this is really too good to be true... except for the fact that this girl is:
1) Really pretty, sexy, great body;
2) Doesn't want a relationship;
3) Doesn't want money.
What's the deal here? Am I missing something?
You know what they say about "things sounding too good to be true", right ?
Since you ask our opinion; i would look at the risk-benefit.
Sounds to me like you have little to loose, besides invested time or ego.
On the plus side you have a small chance of having sex with a hot girl.
and i would rate it a small chance because it sounds too good to be true.
In short give it a try.
This just sounds too good to be true, what do you guys think?
What's the deal here? Am I missing something?
This just sounds too good to be true, what do you guys think?
1) Really pretty, sexy, great body;
2) Doesn't want a relationship;
3) Doesn't want money.
What's the deal here? Am I missing something?Nope, it's not that unusual. I travel there every 3 months and I've got one that I see that's 30 and also has a steady job, her own house and a car. I pay for dinner and drinks and nothing else. She also knows I see plenty of other women and she is okay with it. In fact, I re-wrote her profile on FH to help her find a more permanent replacement to me since she is looking for a husband. She even forwards to me some of the pm's she gets from them for comedic purposes. Some of these guys are complete morons and we have a good laugh together.
Member #4214
08-05-09, 01:38
This just sounds too good to be true, what do you guys think?
She is intelligent, knows western men all too well, and really really really wants you to marry her and take her to your country.
I will hand it to you - that is one of the most well-thought-out stories I've heard. She's created the story most likely to capture your heart and lead to the altar. It is insightful, indirect, insidious all in one go.
She could be a lot of fun, but always remember who is playing who. If you are not playing, you are getting played.
In a nutshell: She is feeding you complete bullshit, but could be fun if you keep your head.
ThatGuy865
08-05-09, 02:13
I say go for it. This is like a real challenge. She's banking on her pussy power and you have to bank on your mental powers. She's tellin you up front she's a freak. She has a good job, doesn't need your money. Wants to show you around. Just make sure you stay in your own Hotel. Stick to going to public touristy spots. And bang the hell out of her. If it works out. You got a cool freak to hang out with in Manila.
This just sounds too good to be true, what do you guys think?
Basically, I signed up for FilipinaHeart about a month ago; I receive lots of interest on there (I'm sure anyone would) but unfortunately, most of them are 5's at best. Some are much older than I... and I'm a 30 year old Korean-American.
Well, finally after a month of being on the site and getting lots of interest from average and unattractive girls, I get an e-mail from a very pretty girl, and she tells me I'm really cute and leaves her e-mail address, which is @ Yahoo, which means she uses the messenger service.
I added her to my Yahoo messenger, and she accepted. We started talking just getting to know each other. Then she says she has a secret. Her secret is that when she was in college (she's 27) she used to be a hooker. She would stand out in front of her university, pretending to wait for someone, but then get in the car and negotiate a price. She said she once let some Chinese guy and his friends all bang her for 10,000 pesos.
I'm wondering why she's telling me this, but whatever. She now has a good job, and has her own place, and even her own car (a Honda Civic). So she doesn't do this kind of work anymore, but she said she had to do it to pay her tuition.
She says now, she doesn't need to do this because she makes enough money, and doesn't need a sugar daddy or anything like that. Hmm... OK. She then tells me one of her customers she was I guess in love with, looked almost like me. She said the only difference is that I don't wear glasses. She said this guy was her best fuck ever, and they were fucking for over a year but lost touch.
Anyway, because I look like this guy, she wanted to be only friends with me. I said 'sure', and she said, "yeah, it's not like we're going to start dating and get married". Later on in the conversation, she said that next time I visit the Phils, she can show me around on a tour but only in Manila, as she can't leave the city due to her job. She then says we can also have fun, and, "don't worry, I don't charge anymore!"
At this point I ask her if she's implying we should be fuck buddies, and she says yes. She says I look like a nice guy and that I am a nice guy, but to leave that for my real relationship, and leave my naughty side to her.
Now, I guess none of this is really too good to be true... except for the fact that this girl is:
1) Really pretty, sexy, great body;
2) Doesn't want a relationship;
3) Doesn't want money.
What's the deal here? Am I missing something?Have fun with her and you really don't have anything to lose. If it doesn't work out I will buy you a beer in cebu. Try sunflower on Thursday nite hot lady contest at midnight.
[QUOTE=Byung]This just sounds too good to be true, what do you guys think? QUOTE]
Only time will tell...most of the mongers on this site are also players...it's a two way street!
When she asks for money and you say no, if she still sticks around...keep saying no until you feel comfortable. I have never ever given gals money except p4p...when they ask money for emergencies, family, taxi, bus, food, etc...I say no. Very simple.
I have been in a few long term relationships and still won't give up on the money. If we're living together, that's one thing...money, no problem.
You might be pussy whipped!!?!? Don't let your hormones get the best of you!
This just sounds too good to be true, what do you guys think?
Basically, I signed up for FilipinaHeart about a month ago; I receive lots of interest on there (I'm sure anyone would) but unfortunately, most of them are 5's at best. Some are much older than I... and I'm a 30 year old Korean-American.
Well, finally after a month of being on the site and getting lots of interest from average and unattractive girls, I get an e-mail from a very pretty girl, and she tells me I'm really cute and leaves her e-mail address, which is @ Yahoo, which means she uses the messenger service.
I added her to my Yahoo messenger, and she accepted. We started talking just getting to know each other. Then she says she has a secret. Her secret is that when she was in college (she's 27) she used to be a hooker. She would stand out in front of her university, pretending to wait for someone, but then get in the car and negotiate a price. She said she once let some Chinese guy and his friends all bang her for 10,000 pesos.
I'm wondering why she's telling me this, but whatever. She now has a good job, and has her own place, and even her own car (a Honda Civic). So she doesn't do this kind of work anymore, but she said she had to do it to pay her tuition.
She says now, she doesn't need to do this because she makes enough money, and doesn't need a sugar daddy or anything like that. Hmm... OK. She then tells me one of her customers she was I guess in love with, looked almost like me. She said the only difference is that I don't wear glasses. She said this guy was her best fuck ever, and they were fucking for over a year but lost touch.
Anyway, because I look like this guy, she wanted to be only friends with me. I said 'sure', and she said, "yeah, it's not like we're going to start dating and get married". Later on in the conversation, she said that next time I visit the Phils, she can show me around on a tour but only in Manila, as she can't leave the city due to her job. She then says we can also have fun, and, "don't worry, I don't charge anymore!"
At this point I ask her if she's implying we should be fuck buddies, and she says yes. She says I look like a nice guy and that I am a nice guy, but to leave that for my real relationship, and leave my naughty side to her.
Now, I guess none of this is really too good to be true... except for the fact that this girl is:
1) Really pretty, sexy, great body;
2) Doesn't want a relationship;
3) Doesn't want money.
What's the deal here? Am I missing something?
Dunno, it can happen, spamhog puts money on the fact she is trying to reel you in with her version of an 'honest' reformed ho' sob story but also caution on your part....she could be a Byot with a unit bigger than yours.
Hey, if she is all that and a bag of chips why is she fooling around on filipinaheart?
caution my friend, caution.
spamhog
Bill Buxton
08-05-09, 20:22
[QUOTE=Byung]This just sounds too good to be true, what do you guys think? QUOTE] Only time will tell...most of the mongers on this site are also players...it's a two way street!
When she asks for money and you say no, if she still sticks around...keep saying no until you feel comfortable. I have never ever given gals money except p4p...when they ask money for emergencies, family, taxi, bus, food, etc...I say no. Very simple.
I have been in a few long term relationships and still won't give up on the money. If we're living together, that's one thing...money, no problem.
You might be pussy whipped!!?!? Don't let your hormones get the best of you!Sounds like you might be liking the money more than anything. Cheep and then bragging about it here is no way to go through life. What you gonna do take it with ya? Could be your version on wealth is much different than others around the globe. The people here have less than most other places whats a buck or two ha.
Mostly right, W.L.B.
Tungsten Chef
08-06-09, 05:07
Please cut off the pipeline. Let them sit idly under their banana trees in Phils. Like my cousin says, "their as dumb as nails".
I post this link with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek. I hope you enjoy and that no one takes offense.
http://www.filipinawives.com/Wife.htm
ES
Cunning Stunt
08-06-09, 17:33
I post this link with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek. I hope you enjoy and that no one takes offense.
http://www.filipinawives.com/Wife.htm
ES
Thanks ES.
Have seen this before, years ago, but that does not make it any the less funny. You really have to be married to, or in a close, long term relationship with a Pinay to know how spot on many of these pithy observations are.
Every time that I receive balikbayan boxes packed by Filipinas, I can guarantee that half the contents will either be useless throwaway, crap bought because it was on sale or part of a 2 for 1 offer (which no Pinay can resist) or old clothes (picked up in charity shops, no doubt), which even the most down-at-heel relatives would turn their noses up at. Every single time. Kitchenware is favourites. I have enough plates, pans, and cutlery in my house to equip a works canteen!
But isn't these eccentricities part of the reason we love 'em so:).
Starchild2012
08-07-09, 13:12
This just sounds too good to be true, what do you guys think?
Byung, Chill, the only problem is, i think you are not in the Philippines right now and the mind is playing demon on you.
These things are common, sometimes you will f**ck an absolute stunner and sometimes you will sleep dry. this is the beauty of the PH with no strings attached.
here in ISG most of our good folks are from west and im speaking from a lowest point of view from an Indian perspective for which most Filipina women have prejudiced against, yet i'm scoring after some experience, stunner's, normal women and irregulars and i could say without being egoistical that after six months of living i have banged hotties that only Filipinas or rich kids dream off.
but, its all normal here, man you are reading too much in "WORDS" , they don't portray the emotions that these girls talk off.
These girls are not fake, just come here and f cuk them.....if they say, they wanna get f cuked, they do, just f cucj them, there is nothing more than that.
You are making a big mistake in suspecting these girls man, which i did and regretted long time back.
Many girls who says to fuck them, are using you, they cant fuck around the people they know, they wanna make it discreet, im sure, when the deed is over or going on, she will ask, is there any camera around?
Good Luck
Thanks ES.
Have seen this before, years ago, but that does not make it any the less funny. You really have to be married to, or in a close, long term relationship with a Pinay to know how spot on many of these pithy observations are.
Every time that I receive balikbayan boxes packed by Filipinas, I can guarantee that half the contents will either be useless throwaway, crap bought because it was on sale or part of a 2 for 1 offer (which no Pinay can resist) or old clothes (picked up in charity shops, no doubt), which even the most down-at-heel relatives would turn their noses up at. Every single time. Kitchenware is favourites. I have enough plates, pans, and cutlery in my house to equip a works canteen!
But isn't these eccentricities part of the reason we love 'em so:).
Although I lived in Manila 7 years I did not have any LT relationships with a Filipina but in my work I had close dealings (no sex) with many as there were about 1400 staff at my facility. I picked up on a lot of what you say and what is in the article.
ES
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These things are common, sometimes you will f**ck an absolute stunner and sometimes you will sleep dry. this is the beauty of the PH with no strings attached. Good Luck[/QUOTE]
It is NOT just in the beauty of the PH, it's anywhere, any country. Period.
Many guys have no luck in the PH and others are drowning in it. Some lucky guy in the PI would have no luck in his own country or elsewhere where you might. It's all up to how you present yourself and how the gals see you!
Oh, really? I've never met a person who has no luck in hooking up with the ladies in Phils. Please explain what they look like.
No doubt its impossible for a man not to be able to hook up with local women in PI. I don't care what they look or dress like. Take X-Man for example.
It's all up to how you present yourself and how the gals see you!
Yes, but if all else fails, a sizeable bank-roll can overcome the other obstacles and help open the access doors to many women the world over.
I post this link with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek. I hope you enjoy and that no one takes offense.
http://www.filipinawives.com/Wife.htm
ES
Eaglestar - I laughed until I pissed myself. That is hilarious!
Sums it up - Nothing missed I noticed.
Rosco
Please cut off the pipeline. Let them sit idly under their banana trees in Phils. Like my cousin says, "their as dumb as nails".And your cousin's (or your) use of "their" says a lot about his/her/your IQ!
According to the PM you sent me you did research to find out that I don't live in the Philippines. Considering all the PI hotel reviews I've done over the years, I'm not sure why this would be such a revelation to you.
Did your research also indicate what I look like and dress like? For someone who claims to live in the Philippines, you might consider doing something other than researching about middle aged men who wear plaid bell bottoms.
X
No doubt its impossible for a man not to be able to hook up with local women in PI. I don't care what they look or dress like. Take X-Man for example.
Could not have been me since I never made it to Makati.
One of these days I'm going to dig up that old picture you constantly make reference to. It was actually checked shorts. Or maybe you can give it to us. Rumor has it that you had it enlarged and it now hangs there in your room.
X
I was in Makati a few weeks ago and stopped by Havana Cafe in the evening. I couldn't believe my eyes. Some skinny ass dude sporting plaid bell bottoms and platform shoes was on the dance floor cutting a rug with a real stunner. Let's be honest, we don't go to Phils for the weather, food, traffic, noise, pollution and the cock fighting on t. V. I love the place.
Thank you for your thoughts Illogic,
I have "nothing" on the Japan thread is not true, but it would be true to say that I rarely post there.
I can't help the guys looking for p4p in Japan because I've never done it there. I'm dating regular women, with regular jobs. They tend to be in their 30s and generally they pick up half the tab for any date or excursion. Life is good in Japan as you know.
You made a choice to leave Japan and base yourself in Philippines. I've never questioned why you did that, nor do I care. So, I take my holidays in the Philippines, have myself a fuck fest with women half my age, take pictures, visit new places, and then take the time to post pictures and field reports. Why do you want me to justify / explain these personal choices I've made?
Why do I post so much? 1) maintain good karma-- I get info, I give info 2) when i'm not in PI, i can be there vicariously by reading other's posts. 3) ISG posts are usually more interesting than yahoo chat
I will add one thing, an overseas holiday in SEAsia is cheaper than any kind of travel holiday in Japan. For example, I can go to a bar in Japan, have four beers with my friends and I spend about 1200 pesos. Last night I sat in a bar, bought several ladies drinks, had my dicked rubbed, had a girl show me her tits and pussy, and spent less than 1000 pesos.
I'm sorry if you thought I was rude regarding your 'honest question', but I truly can't understand the question. If I recall, it was something like this, "Since you live in Japan, why do you visit the Philippines".
Maybe this is the answer you would like to read, ' No J girl will give me the time of day, so I go to the Philppines out of desperation'
So, what is my "problem"? I didn't know I had one. I'm having the time of my life.
Anyway, Illogic is probably correct in that no one else want to read our debate, or 'tirade' as he calls it.
X
The better question is why am I here at ISG trying to have a logical discussion with someone called illogic, when I should be out enjoying my holiday in Cebu!!! :-)
I knew you lived in Japan a couple of years ago when you PMed asking how I was hooking up with Filipinas in Japan because they were ignoring you telling you to come to their club. I researched your post to find out why a man living in Japan with beautiful Japanese, Brazilians, Koreans, Chinese and yes Filipinas posted so much on this board. You have nothing on the Japanese threads.
James Madison one of the most prolific posters on Japan threads has no problem getting women in the bed in Japan, educated financially secure Japanese. I never have read a post about him talking about taking a trip to PI so what is your problem? I lived there in Japan most of 2007 and had the best time of my life in the place.
This my last post on this as I am tired of cluttering up the board with our stupid tirade but whenever I pm you like man and keep it between you and me and ask you an honest question you always respond with some ignorant one liner.
Bill Buxton
08-09-09, 16:35
Guys,
Don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) all over each other here use the PM.
Talk about the weather, girls, food, hotels, families, baseball socar something other than this.
OK, so what did you say her neme was?
Sorry Bill. Her name? Which day, and are you referring to morning, afternoon, or evening?
Quick summary. I've had rather poor luck with DIA contacts thus far in Cebu. I'll have to write that up later on when I have more time.
I spent the last two nights with a girl I bar fine from Dec. 2008. This time we met after work, and she took the next day off. She was ready to spend a 3rd night with me, but I encouraged her to give me a rest and go to work.
I put 1000 in her bag even though she'd told me that she didn't need me to give her money. What a sweetie. Petite and brown, just the way I like them.
X
Guys,
Don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) all over each other here use the PM.
Talk about the weather, girls, food, hotels, families, baseball socar something other than this.
OK, so what did you say her neme was?
I know there has been a lot of discussions over tome on this forum about the wisdom (or lack thereof) of sending money to girls in the Philippines and the cost of living ,etc. I almost fell out of my chair yesterday when I got this email from Cubuanas. I will just copy it and let everyone judge for themselves. That being said I just spent a few hundred dollars buying a R/T ticket for a girl ( I have never done, but she is a friend of one I have done regularly) from Shanghai back home because her father died and times are tough here. So who is the "sucker" now.....lol If she is faking I will give her credit for a job well done, because I spent the better part of Wed, with her crying uncontrollably on my shoulder.
Enjoy
Never Send Money Before Meeting a Girl in Person
Each day we have 200-500 girls from the Philippines join our site. Of those, we approve 100-200 each day. Most are good and honest girls, a few are here to tell you a sad story to get you to send money. We give each new girl a rating of 3-Stars, except for the occasional girl we send to the 1st Class Members area. We have 1-2 girls working in our office here in Cebu at all times of the day and night. Their only job is to review new members and provide customer support on “Live-Help”. In addition, this week, we have started reviewing all messages from new girls before being sent. If they ask for money we remove their profile. Some girls know this and will send you their email address in order to scam you without us knowing. We also block them from sending their email address and believe if you want them to have your email address; you can send your email address to them at any time. We never review messages from our men members.
That said I know many men don’t listen to our advice about not sending money. In order for you make a more informed judgment let me tell you some of the prices here in the Philippines. Typical colleges here have tuition cost of $40 monthly and they all accept payment on a monthly basis. Daily expenses for a student run approx. $2 per day, this includes bus fares, internet café and lunch. A doctor office visit runs about $2-$5 and medication is cheap. A major operation in a hospital with a 1-2 week stay can run $400-$1,000. Health care insurance is available for approx. $2-$6 a month depending on family income. When the inevitable medical emergency arises with you and your dollars standing between life and death and you feel cornered, consider that for $50 a year you can provide insurance coverage (PhilHealth Insurance) for her entire family.
The average college graduate earns $150 a month and a public school teacher can earn at most $300 a month. Any job paying more that $300 monthly is foreign based and few and far between. Middle class family incomes here run approx. $250 a month. So when your girl starts talking to you about sending her more money than her family can earn in a month. Cool the relationship until you can meet her in person and start looking at the new girls joining our site every day. Collect and Collect and then carefully Select after you meet her in person.
No girl from the Philippines can EVER get a visa to come to the USA without you first meeting her in person and then YOU applying for a fiancé Visa. There are no exceptions and we have heard all the stories. If you think you ran across an exception, just contact us and let us know before you send your girl on a 1 day millionaire shopping spree with your hard earned money.
Report any girl asking you for money. Good Luck in you careful search for Love.
Regards,
Cebuanas.com Team
Sky Ryder, I congratulate you on your generosity. You've come to know these people and you've made some judgement call.
I think many of the warnings we see are for the guys who have no clue about how things work. There are many happy endings in the Philippines, in more ways than one.
I once sent a message on behalf of a friend who wanted to pay for his Cebu Papillon go-go girl to accompany him to Thailand. A senior member, unfortunately long gone, who ran a travel agency gave detailed info about how to protect onself and avoid the gal from cashing in the ticket. My friend ignored all advice and bought the ticket.
She showed up in Thailand. He had a good holiday. I met her a year later, still at Papillon, and last I heard she still exchanges email with my friend.
Moral of the story is even the bar girls can SOMETIMES be trusted. But if any of you still have your doubts, send the money to me first and I'll help you. :-)
X Man
I know there has been a lot of discussions over tome on this forum about the wisdom (or lack thereof) of sending money to girls in the Philippines and the cost of living ,etc. I almost fell out of my chair yesterday when I got this email from Cubuanas. I will just copy it and let everyone judge for themselves. That being said I just spent a few hundred dollars buying a R/T ticket for a girl ( I have never done, but she is a friend of one I have done regularly) from Shanghai back home because her father died and times are tough here. So who is the "sucker" now.....lol If she is faking I will give her credit for a job well done, because I spent the better part of Wed, with her crying uncontrollably on my shoulder.
Enjoy
Never Send Money Before Meeting a Girl in Person
Each day we have 200-500 girls from the Philippines join our site. Of those, we approve 100-200 each day. Most are good and honest girls, a few are here to tell you a sad story to get you to send money. We give each new girl a rating of 3-Stars, except for the occasional girl we send to the 1st Class Members area. We have 1-2 girls working in our office here in Cebu at all times of the day and night. Their only job is to review new members and provide customer support on “Live-Help”. In addition, this week, we have started reviewing all messages from new girls before being sent. If they ask for money we remove their profile. Some girls know this and will send you their email address in order to scam you without us knowing. We also block them from sending their email address and believe if you want them to have your email address; you can send your email address to them at any time. We never review messages from our men members.
That said I know many men don’t listen to our advice about not sending money. In order for you make a more informed judgment let me tell you some of the prices here in the Philippines. Typical colleges here have tuition cost of $40 monthly and they all accept payment on a monthly basis. Daily expenses for a student run approx. $2 per day, this includes bus fares, internet café and lunch. A doctor office visit runs about $2-$5 and medication is cheap. A major operation in a hospital with a 1-2 week stay can run $400-$1,000. Health care insurance is available for approx. $2-$6 a month depending on family income. When the inevitable medical emergency arises with you and your dollars standing between life and death and you feel cornered, consider that for $50 a year you can provide insurance coverage (PhilHealth Insurance) for her entire family.
The average college graduate earns $150 a month and a public school teacher can earn at most $300 a month. Any job paying more that $300 monthly is foreign based and few and far between. Middle class family incomes here run approx. $250 a month. So when your girl starts talking to you about sending her more money than her family can earn in a month. Cool the relationship until you can meet her in person and start looking at the new girls joining our site every day. Collect and Collect and then carefully Select after you meet her in person.
No girl from the Philippines can EVER get a visa to come to the USA without you first meeting her in person and then YOU applying for a fiancé Visa. There are no exceptions and we have heard all the stories. If you think you ran across an exception, just contact us and let us know before you send your girl on a 1 day millionaire shopping spree with your hard earned money.
Report any girl asking you for money. Good Luck in you careful search for Love.
Regards,
Cebuanas.com Team
[QUOTE=X Man]Sky Ryder, I congratulate you on your generosity. You've come to know these people and you've made some judgement call.
I think many of the warnings we see are for the guys who have no clue about how things work. There are many happy endings in the Philippines, in more ways than one.
X
The truth is I have made no judgement call about about "these people" at all, I was just trying to put up some info that was sent to me by one of "these people". I thought that given the amount of times there are posts about should I send....."xxxx" money for _______________(fill in the blank) there would be a few people interested by the statement.
I try very hard to accept an individual as that, although I will admit that sometimes in certain groups you can set you watch by the behavior exhibited. Makes one wonder if it is like a pack mentality, in that they spend so much time around each other that the tend to lose their individuality. It is way to deep for me to figure out.
I do know this, if ever there was a question about the wisdom of sending money abroad to the Philippines, it is now addressed for me.
I will say that I admire the creativity of these gals, and it must work or they would stop doing it!!
Sky
Marconista
08-25-09, 01:42
Thanks Sky Ryder, for valuable info for the newbies here and slow learners :)
I have added your post in the thread "Links to Reports of Distinction" for everyone to easily find it.
Hopefully a lot of guys can learn from reading it.
Never Send Money Before Meeting a Girl in Person
Hi guys
Just thought I would add some of my observations about the girls and sending money. I am here in Angeles where I live..
Over the past year I have had the pleasure of meeting numerous ladies from students, bar girls to single mothers.
One thing that appears to be quite common is girls with not only one foreign bf sending money but many of them have several if not three guys sending money.
I even know of a student here where the bf (much older) living with her and generously supporting her. Unfortunately for him she has a younger Filipino bf and the part I find incredulous, is that she even had the balls to bring the guy home to a party and enjoy the man's hospitality. This character gives this girl tens of thousands of pesos a week. Now this girl openly brags to all her classmates about her activities.
In my own townhouse complex there are half a dozen girls here supported by foreign cash and I can tell you that very few of them are missing their so called foreign bfs.
Most of them are busy chatting away on yahoo and msn with multiple guys...this information they tell me direct. They are not shy about what they are up to, they rather enjoy telling you.
Now I don't mean to paint all girls with the same brush, I have also met some extremely kind and sweet girls.
Just my observations that others may find useful.
Hi guys.Just thought I would add some of my observations about the girls and sending money. One thing that appears to be quite commrvations that others may find useful.
Frank 4220,
Thank you for your observations. All useful for my continuing education.
The bad girls/ladies are extremely bad. Especially those who deceive their male supporters. Apparently many are incorrigible liars. When this behaviour is first experienced personally by a supporter it is an unpleasant awakening, disappointing and even distressing depending on the level of supporter involvement. Unfortunately it makes a man wary or even suspicious of all ladies.In the end a supporter (or husband) can never be certain what the lady may be doing when apart from her man. However, I have very little knowledge or experience on which to base my thinking. Even so, a theory is beginning to emerge out of the fog.
ET
Hi guys
Just thought I would add some of my observations about the girls and sending money. I am here in Angeles where I live..
Over the past year I have had the pleasure of meeting numerous ladies from students, bar girls to single mothers.
One thing that appears to be quite common is girls with not only one foreign bf sending money but many of them have several if not three guys sending money.But you know my girl is different:D
Thanks good advice. Some guys never learn and maybe some guys don't know!
Just thought I would add some of my observations about the girls and sending money. I am here in Angeles where I live..
Over the past year I have had the pleasure of meeting numerous ladies from students, bar girls to single mothers.
One thing that appears to be quite common is girls with not only one foreign bf sending money but many of them have several if not three guys sending money.
I even know of a student here where the bf (much older) living with her and generously supporting her. Unfortunately for him she has a younger Filipino bf and the part I find incredulous, is that she even had the balls to bring the guy home to a party and enjoy the man's hospitality. This character gives this girl tens of thousands of pesos a week. Now this girl openly brags to all her classmates about her activities.
In my own townhouse complex there are half a dozen girls here supported by foreign cash and I can tell you that very few of them are missing their so called foreign bfs.
Most of them are busy chatting away on yahoo and msn with multiple guys...this information they tell me direct. They are not shy about what they are up to, they rather enjoy telling you.
Now I don't mean to paint all girls with the same brush, I have also met some extremely kind and sweet girls.
Just my observations that others may find useful.
It is also common knowledge that the girls in the bar usually put money into a kitty at the beginning of the month and the one with the most money sent to her from abroad wins the kitty at the end of the month.
My ex BG babyko used to tell me when she won the kitty. She was always so excited because it is sort of some status symbol as to who has the most foreign BF sending money. Unfortunately, as will all these girls, a fight breaks out and the bar has to stop the kitty thing.
Honestly, the way she could lie to guys was unbelievable. Sometimes a guy would call while she was in my hotel room and either I would be fucking her from behind while she talks or she would be sucking me off. Pretty much after that happened if any girl ever asks me for money, its aloha baby.
Question for you non believers out there, i.e. 'mine is different'; Do you think filippino guys give these chicks any money? Fuck no they don't! You might as well ask them to design the next Apollo space rocket because that is the same look you will get when you ask them. To them it is completely illogical.
I think I will get a tattoo with the 3 F's just to remind myself of this fact.
Lustforthrust
08-25-09, 16:54
I even know of a student here where the bf (much older) living with her and generously supporting her. Unfortunately for him she has a younger Filipino bf and the part I find incredulous, is that she even had the balls to bring the guy home to a party and enjoy the man's hospitality.
Maybe the guy is what is called a cuckold.
Recently met a Filipina in HK craigslist that was offering to do me while her bf/husband watched. I turned her down because she didn't excite me as one I'd want to make cum.
Bill Buxton
08-25-09, 16:57
When a gal knows you have taken all outside offers off the shelf they do change. When a gal knows you will be hers and not sharing you with the next flavor of the hr things change. The reason so many do what they do is because of US mostly. They lie, connive, and do what they have to do just to get by. Nobody wants to look the fool not us not them.
They know the game and play it like we do. The only difference is we are the ones complaining about what they do to us. They try and keep us happy with whatever skills they have developed ether in bed or out. The look listen and size up the situation and most times they get dumped. Sure bar gals tell us anything to get a buck but what do we tell um to get some a//?
When a guy finds a good gal and settles down he will have in most cases a great situation. They are mostly loyal and yes "jealous" but you will see a different person all together. What guy or gal would be happy to see the one they are staying with running around with others. What planet are you from to think anyone would like that foolishness. I went through many and found a good one so to speak and would never change a thing now.
Sure I get that funny feelin when I see some hot little spinner smile at me. But also I know I have a great gal at home also. "I am just more careful where and what I do now for sure". When the time is right you all will see that the gals are worth more than just a time or two in the rack.
B. B.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Hi guys
Just thought I would add some of my observations about the girls and sending money. I am here in Angeles where I live..
Over the past year I have had the pleasure of meeting numerous ladies from students, bar girls to single mothers.
One thing that appears to be quite common is girls with not only one foreign bf sending money but many of them have several if not three guys sending money.
I even know of a student here where the bf (much older) living with her and generously supporting her. Unfortunately for him she has a younger Filipino bf and the part I find incredulous, is that she even had the balls to bring the guy home to a party and enjoy the man's hospitality. This character gives this girl tens of thousands of pesos a week. Now this girl openly brags to all her classmates about her activities.
In my own townhouse complex there are half a dozen girls here supported by foreign cash and I can tell you that very few of them are missing their so called foreign bfs.
Most of them are busy chatting away on yahoo and msn with multiple guys...this information they tell me direct. They are not shy about what they are up to, they rather enjoy telling you.
Now I don't mean to paint all girls with the same brush, I have also met some extremely kind and sweet girls.
Just my observations that others may find useful.
You forget the mindset of these sponsors. Many a time they have plenty of money and sending $500 a month to a girl does not mean anything to them. This reminds me of a girl I met at beergarten in Bangkok. She had a German boyfriend and he had a house and a nice car. We had lots of fun driving in her car and partying. She even paid for sometimes saying her BF sends lot of money every month. She hangs around the bar because she says she is bored and loves foreigners company and I am sure extra money does not hurt.
Many of these people love to hang on to one special girl. Money factor does not bother them and also I doubt her trysts will bother him also. We all do get bored sometimes with regular bargirls. That is why we look for a regular GF . Everybody knows supporting a girl is the only way to try to keep her short of marriage and living together all the time. No girl or for that matter no man will stay away from sex and companionship if the gap between visits is too wide.
Those people who believe the girl is waiting for him month after month with closed thighs is fooling himself. Ofcourse the girls will swear on whatever that they are saints because that is the only way to keep the cash coming.
I truly believe most of the sponsors do know the girls maybe playing the field when they are not around give or take couple of real saints.
Like somebody said in this forum it is a real pleasure of re living their youth when they see a sweet young thing meet them at the airport the moment of their arrival and going to their own house and fucking like long lost lovers.
For the rest of us we need to check into the hotel alone ( sigh! ) , go barhopping and barfine a girl who may or may not tickle our fancy.
When a gal knows you have taken all outside offers off the shelf they do change. When a gal knows you will be hers and not sharing you with the next flavor of the hr things change. The reason so many do what they do is because of US mostly. They lie, connive, and do what they have to do just to get by. Nobody wants to look the fool not us not them.
They know the game and play it like we do. The only difference is we are the ones complaining about what they do to us. They try and keep us happy with whatever skills they have developed ether in bed or out. The look listen and size up the situation and most times they get dumped. Sure bar gals tell us anything to get a buck but what do we tell um to get some a//?
When a guy finds a good gal and settles down he will have in most cases a great situation. They are mostly loyal and yes "jealous" but you will see a different person all together. What guy or gal would be happy to see the one they are staying with running around with others. What planet are you from to think anyone would like that foolishness. I went through many and found a good one so to speak and would never change a thing now.
Sure I get that funny feelin when I see some hot little spinner smile at me. But also I know I have a great gal at home also. "I am just more careful where and what I do now for sure". When the time is right you all will see that the gals are worth more than just a time or two in the rack.
B. B.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I found your report to be interesting, thank you.
Having said that, a few days ago, I posted a transcript from a chat I had on Yahoo with a girl I met on FH. Here is a link to it: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=919997&postcount=1809
Basically, I met a girl on FH, and chatted with her on FH. We started chatting quite a bit, and she was telling me she only chats with me, etc. She then says she doesn't have much load on her pre-pay internet or whatever, hinting that I should send her money, and then finally outright saying so, saying it's $50 per month.
Well, later, when she's supposedly 'offline', I see her status as online on her FH profile. I figure she was chatting a bunch of guys up, so I messaged her with an alias Yahoo account. She adds me right away, and we chat, and the transcript from the link above is what happened.
Well, the next day, as my real self, I was messaging her telling her that my 'friend' had told me that she was 'cheating' on me, and she denied it of course. I then told her that my 'friend' claimed to message her on YM, and she denied that saying it wasn't true. She got angry and said that I'm breaking her heart and that she's crying, and she turns on her cam, and I actually see her crying on cam. She's either really sensitive, or a fucking good actress; I'm thinking the latter.
Then I told her, "well, my friend has a pic of you from your cam". She didn't believe it, so I told her I would send the picture. I then sent her the picture, which was clearly her. She denied that was her. LOL
She then asks me what my friend's name on Yahoo is, and I said I didn't know, that since he was my friend, he was just looking out for me and probably used a fake one. Now, at the same time, I'm signed into the alias account with a separate computer, and I'm having conversations with her as both myself and my 'friend'.
Finally, she messages my 'friend' (me, of course) asking who I am, and what my name is on FH. I then call her on her lies, and tell her she's a lying ***** and that she fucked up. I told her something along the lines of, "wow, he really liked you, how could you do this to him"...
Then the girl messages me on my 'real' account and finally fesses up and says she's sorry about what she did, and that she really did like me, and that she understands if I never talk to her again. She also says she will never ask me for money again, and that she wants me to give her a second chance.
Now, I told her I wasn't sure if I would be willing to give her another chance. All I did was tell her that I would be willing to meet her when I visit Davao. She said she'd be willing to make the trip to see me, with money out of her own pocket. I've also told her my 'friend', the one who 'outed' her, lives in Davao. Of course, there is no friend as it was all me.
She said she's still willing to meet my 'friend', even though she thinks he'll hate her a lot. I then told her that he's retired there now, living with his Filipina wife, and that he's an ex-gov't spy. She believes it too, considering 'he' was able to catch her on her lies. I told her that my 'friend' has told me to stay away from her and that she's a bad girl, but she says she's not going to be like that anymore, because she 'really likes me'. I told her my 'friend' may end up giving her some sort of test without her knowing it, like spying on her or hacking her computer, and she told me she doesn't care, because she knows she will pass the test (she knows my imaginary 'friend' in Davao has her number, address, and e-mail, which I got when she wanted me to send money via Western Union).
So, after this incident, this girl keeps messaging me all the time, and she knows full well I'm not going to give her any money.
Could it be possible that she really does like me? Maybe, like you said, she thinks that I'm 'serious' and that she doesn't need to mess around anymore? That this could be 'real'? I don't see what her motivation is anymore.
Oh, and a lot of things she told me is true, such as where she went to school and that she's a nurse (I found her Friendster and saw the hospital pics with her in uniform). I also saw some comments on her Friendster page in Tagalog or whatever language that mentions 'Korean' with words like 'beauty', which has me thinking she might have a Korean father (from the start, I felt she looked Korean, which is why, as a Korean myself, was attracted to her looks).
Maybe some of you guys have better insight.
BTW, I would post entire transcripts and whatnot, but it's just too long.
Having said that, a few days ago, I posted a transcript from a chat I had on Yahoo with a girl I met on FH. Here is a link to it: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=919997&postcount=1809
Basically, I met a girl on FH, and chatted with her on FH. We started chatting quite a bit, and she was telling me she only chats with me, etc. She then says she doesn't have much load on her pre-pay internet or whatever, hinting that I should send her money, and then finally outright saying so, saying it's $50 per month.
Thanks for sharing your story Byung!
I think most girls on the internet play the numbers. She really doesn't know you and she may have been burnt before by someone promising to come and rescue her, or they have sent her money and she is hoping that you will also send money. Jsut ask a girl from any dating site how many guys she has chatted and how many have asked her to get naked, promised that he is coming to the Philippines and that she is the one. I think most guys would be shocked with the answers they would receive.
I would love to run a poll here and see how many guys on this site that have never even visited the Philippines, but chat with girls everyday, hoping that they will someday be able to visit.
Just IMHO!
Robb
Member #4214
08-26-09, 02:52
Could it be possible that she really does like me? Maybe, like you said, she thinks that I'm 'serious' and that she doesn't need to mess around anymore? That this could be 'real'? I don't see what her motivation is anymore.
Oh, and a lot of things she told me is true, such as where she went to school and that she's a nurse (I found her Friendster and saw the hospital pics with her in uniform). I also saw some comments on her Friendster page in Tagalog or whatever language that mentions 'Korean' with words like 'beauty', which has me thinking she might have a Korean father (from the start, I felt she looked Korean, which is why, as a Korean myself, was attracted to her looks).
Maybe some of you guys have better insight.
What you've done is quite amateurish - everyone and their cousin knows these girls chat up any guy they can. They are desperate to find a suitable mate or income source, and their clock is ticking. My bet is she sees right through your charade (you are not the first guy to play this game, she knows you don't have some spy-friend in Davao) and she is playing along to feed your ego and draw you in. Just my 2.
Bill Buxton
08-26-09, 03:19
I found your report to be interesting, thank you.
Having said that, a few days ago, I posted a transcript from a chat I had on Yahoo with a girl I met on FH. Here is a link to it: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=919997&postcount=1809
Basically, I met a girl on FH, and chatted with her on FH. We started chatting quite a bit, and she was telling me she only chats with me, etc. She then says she doesn't have much load on her pre-pay internet or whatever, hinting that I should send her money, and then finally outright saying so, saying it's $50 per month.
Well, later, when she's supposedly 'offline', I see her status as online on her FH profile. I figure she was chatting a bunch of guys up, so I messaged her with an alias Yahoo account. She adds me right away, and we chat, and the transcript from the link above is what happened.
Well, the next day, as my real self, I was messaging her telling her that my 'friend' had told me that she was 'cheating' on me, and she denied it of course. I then told her that my 'friend' claimed to message her on YM, and she denied that saying it wasn't true. She got angry and said that I'm breaking her heart and that she's crying, and she turns on her cam, and I actually see her crying on cam. She's either really sensitive, or a fucking good actress; I'm thinking the latter.
Then I told her, "well, my friend has a pic of you from your cam". She didn't believe it, so I told her I would send the picture. I then sent her the picture, which was clearly her. She denied that was her. LOL
She then asks me what my friend's name on Yahoo is, and I said I didn't know, that since he was my friend, he was just looking out for me and probably used a fake one. Now, at the same time, I'm signed into the alias account with a separate computer, and I'm having conversations with her as both myself and my 'friend'.
Finally, she messages my 'friend' (me, of course) asking who I am, and what my name is on FH. I then call her on her lies, and tell her she's a lying ***** and that she fucked up. I told her something along the lines of, "wow, he really liked you, how could you do this to him".
Then the girl messages me on my 'real' account and finally fesses up and says she's sorry about what she did, and that she really did like me, and that she understands if I never talk to her again. She also says she will never ask me for money again, and that she wants me to give her a second chance.
Now, I told her I wasn't sure if I would be willing to give her another chance. All I did was tell her that I would be willing to meet her when I visit Davao. She said she'd be willing to make the trip to see me, with money out of her own pocket. I've also told her my 'friend', the one who 'outed' her, lives in Davao. Of course, there is no friend as it was all me.
She said she's still willing to meet my 'friend', even though she thinks he'll hate her a lot. I then told her that he's retired there now, living with his Filipina wife, and that he's an ex-gov't spy. She believes it too, considering 'he' was able to catch her on her lies. I told her that my 'friend' has told me to stay away from her and that she's a bad girl, but she says she's not going to be like that anymore, because she 'really likes me'. I told her my 'friend' may end up giving her some sort of test without her knowing it, like spying on her or hacking her computer, and she told me she doesn't care, because she knows she will pass the test (she knows my imaginary 'friend' in Davao has her number, address, and e-mail, which I got when she wanted me to send money via Western Union).
So, after this incident, this girl keeps messaging me all the time, and she knows full well I'm not going to give her any money.
Could it be possible that she really does like me? Maybe, like you said, she thinks that I'm 'serious' and that she doesn't need to mess around anymore? That this could be 'real'? I don't see what her motivation is anymore.
Oh, and a lot of things she told me is true, such as where she went to school and that she's a nurse (I found her Friendster and saw the hospital pics with her in uniform). I also saw some comments on her Friendster page in Tagalog or whatever language that mentions 'Korean' with words like 'beauty', which has me thinking she might have a Korean father (from the start, I felt she looked Korean, which is why, as a Korean myself, was attracted to her looks).
Maybe some of you guys have better insight.
BTW, I would post entire transcripts and whatnot, but it's just too long.I would say it sounds like yes she likes You and is keeping her options open. This said they will try and get cash sometimes its a game with the gals bragging rights. Like "wow I got 100 last night from this guy" Its a game. The only way to know if its true is go over and camp out. Stay a month and see if she is real or not. Don't send her much more than cab fair to get to the airport to meet you.
Keep her on a short leash and watch her habits and listen and take notes. If you see her asking for dough tell her no, and see how she responds. If she sticks around, she might be OK. Its hard to know without spending some time with the gals. You never know who is adding pressure to them for money. Some just like the money themselves, and are game players. Its a crap shoot trying to find a nice gal on the net. Even face to face would be a chore in most cases. If you got a buddy that is married ask him about a sister in law. This helps in the back ground on the family. Please know not all sisters are alike and some are very different. Just because your buddy is happy will not guarantee you the sister is also a home run.
Its a tough call but take a vacation and see whats up.
B. B.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I met a girl on FH, and chatted with her... hinting that I should send her money, and then finally outright saying so..Uh huh, you and every guy who she can get a chat session with.
Well, later, when she's supposedly 'offline', I see her status as online..Uh huh, you caught her chatting to all the other guys. This is absolutely par for the course.
Could it be possible that she really does like me? Maybe... she thinks that I'm 'serious' and that she doesn't need to mess around anymore? That this could be 'real'?They all cry when they get caught out. They hate losing face like that. Brother Byung you are trying to talk your self into excusing her behavior. You will regret it.
Oh, and a lot of things she told me is true ...So what? She has told many other men this also. What makes you so special?
Dude lets get real ok?
What do you want?
a) a fling?
b) a fuckbuddy?
c) a regular GF?
d) a wife?
If the answer is a or b then completely ignore the cheating double dealing bullshit. Just meet up & do the business.
If the answer is c or d then delete her contact & find a trustworthy one.
Believe it or not there are decent honest reliable women in this country and some of them are quite cute.
Don't waste your life chasing shadows with the hordes of young girls playing the field online.
AV
Member #4167
08-26-09, 18:19
Sorry Bill. Her name? Which day, and are you referring to morning, afternoon, or evening?
Quick summary. I've had rather poor luck with DIA contacts thus far in Cebu. I'll have to write that up later on when I have more time.I think it was Freebie Sex or Cheap Charlie who said he had good luck on DIA. I was looking for DIA and I might have signed up for the wrong website.
Still - I have gotten quite a few hits from girls in the Phillipines recently. I want to share my knowledge with others and also ask questions to fill in my gaps.
Here is my experience (from using these websites in Latin America)
1. Yes - you can meet girls - but once you hook up with them, they are typically fatter and uglier than the picture.
2. Just as with dating - alot of time can be wasted. False starts - no shows - girls lose interest.
3. When you do meet them your probability of getting sex is perhaps 1:5 when you hook up. Most of the girls I met I didn't even want to pursue having sex with. This may be because they were too fat/ugly or old for my tastes or I didn't like the vibe or their personality -or I could sense that they just wouldn't put out. Of the ten I met face-to-face, three were ruled out (bad vibe, or ugly), and of the three I tried for, I managed to have sex with one of them.
Phillipines Experience:
The first girl I met on the DIA-like site was a devout Catholic - hardcore.
MY Questions For The Group:
1. Isn't it difficuly to get laid once you meet these girls? Why wouldn't my experience in the PI be similar to my experience in Latin America?
2. The whole point of the exercise is to meet a girl face-to-face to then see if you guys have a chemistry. I beleive online dating hides a lot of that chemistry. Basically all online dating does is get you face-to-face with a girl. Why couldn't I just go straight to the PI and meet girls in the street.
3. What is the proabability I can get sex on the first date?
4. MY feeling is that online dating and sites like DIA are a huge waste of time, is this true?
Member #3428
08-26-09, 22:46
Phillipines Experience:
The first girl I met on the DIA-like site was a devout Catholic - hardcore.
MY Questions For The Group:
1. Isn't it difficuly to get laid once you meet these girls? Why wouldn't my experience in the PI be similar to my experience in Latin America?
2. The whole point of the exercise is to meet a girl face-to-face to then see if you guys have a chemistry. I beleive online dating hides a lot of that chemistry. Basically all online dating does is get you face-to-face with a girl. Why couldn't I just go straight to the PI and meet girls in the street.
3. What is the proabability I can get sex on the first date?
4. MY feeling is that online dating and sites like DIA are a huge waste of time, is this true?
Well.... I used CB mostly before and have a rolodex now of girls. Every girl I met there I had sex with first night. Most were all catholic except one Seventh Day and say they are devout and go to church weekly. Most that I chatted with were NON pro's, the pro's I met on line were honest about it after a while.
Filipina's, to ME in my opinion, are very fatalistic and when they say they love you they stick to you and are very clingy. You can easily walk into Department stores, malls, and such and pick up girls to have sex with for money. But those are semi pro's or such or girls that really need cash. And there is a huge difference in poverty levels IMHO between like a girl in Manila who needs cash and a girl in Bangkok that needs cash. The filipina's to me have it much harder, much harder life.
Filipina's to me are the easiest of all South East Asian places to pick up non pro working girls because they have a harder life, will cling to you to keep you and will do whatever to make you happy. Their english is better then other countries also. And CB and DIA I guess and cebuana's and such are very easy place to grab girls. Buyer be ware that many are working girls. But the non working girls have always put out for me on first date after chatting them up some.
My limited experience over the years. Even on 12 hour layover's have had girls come to meet me and end up right in bed. But I'm not a MNL expert mate, just a monger going for sex on transits every other month and few weeks of work every so often. This hardly makes me knowledgeable like others on this board.
MY Questions For The Group:
1. Isn't it difficuly to get laid once you meet these girls? Why wouldn't my experience in the PI be similar to my experience in Latin America?
Previous experience is helpful but keep an open mind & see how it goes. There will be some similarities but this is not Latin America its Asia.
2. The whole point of the exercise is to meet a girl face-to-face to then see if you guys have a chemistry. Why couldn't I just go straight to the PI and meet girls in the street.You certainly can get lots of pussy 'off the street'. Its nice to have a few lined up from a dating site just to warm up on ;)
3. What is the proabability I can get sex on the first date?If you pitch yourself to the naughty girls, odds are high.
4. MY feeling is that online dating and sites like DIA are a huge waste of time, is this true?They can be time wasting & they can be fun, it depends on how you go about it. There's two ways to approach it :
1) Mr. Nice guy, a lot of time spent waffling on to girls who think your desperate to become a new income stream for them & their 17 cousins. Likelihood of rumpy pumpy, low to moderate.
2) Mr Naughty, makes it clear he's coming to play, does'nt spend hours waffling. Likelihood of boom boom moderate to high.
Some trips you get lots of dating site chicks in bed other trips not so lucky.. bahala na..
AV
I think it was Freebie Sex or Cheap Charlie who said he had good luck on DIA. I was looking for DIA and I might have signed up for the wrong website.
Still - I have gotten quite a few hits from girls in the Phillipines recently. I want to share my knowledge with others and also ask questions to fill in my gaps.
Here is my experience (from using these websites in Latin America)
1. Yes - you can meet girls - but once you hook up with them, they are typically fatter and uglier than the picture.
2. Just as with dating - alot of time can be wasted. False starts - no shows - girls lose interest.
3. When you do meet them your probability of getting sex is perhaps 1:5 when you hook up. Most of the girls I met I didn't even want to pursue having sex with. This may be because they were too fat/ugly or old for my tastes or I didn't like the vibe or their personality -or I could sense that they just wouldn't put out. Of the ten I met face-to-face, three were ruled out (bad vibe, or ugly), and of the three I tried for, I managed to have sex with one of them.
Phillipines Experience:
The first girl I met on the DIA-like site was a devout Catholic - hardcore.
MY Questions For The Group:
1. Isn't it difficuly to get laid once you meet these girls? Why wouldn't my experience in the PI be similar to my experience in Latin America?
2. The whole point of the exercise is to meet a girl face-to-face to then see if you guys have a chemistry. I beleive online dating hides a lot of that chemistry. Basically all online dating does is get you face-to-face with a girl. Why couldn't I just go straight to the PI and meet girls in the street.
3. What is the proabability I can get sex on the first date?
4. MY feeling is that online dating and sites like DIA are a huge waste of time, is this true?
Trying to meet so called normal girls through websites is a real challenge. You should take it as a thrill of the chase even if you do not score. Luckily in a country like PHI we can always go around the corner and get P4P girls, so need not get frustrated with your dick in your hand after the "date" over.
I have met a few girls through dating sites. Some I really hated to be with but as a Gentleman I showed interest in them only to lie to them next day saying I have to leave town. Yes, I have gotten few sex on the first dates.
My plan usually is to bring the girl from the provinces to the city like Manila or cebu and stay with them. If you date a local girl many a times it will be just a date with no extras. If a girl agrees to stay with you , you are pretty much sure sex will be there.
Yes, there is always a chance that you may not like the girl. So I pretty much agree to stay with them only for three nights. If the going is good can extend the stay later. Or try for longer stays next time.
Member #4167
08-28-09, 18:20
Well.... I used CB mostly before and have a rolodex now of girls. Every girl I met there I had sex with first night. Most were all catholic except one Seventh Day and say they are devout and go to church weekly. Most that I chatted with were NON pro's, the pro's I met on line were honest about it after a while.Thank you Tansak, Amavida and Sammon - I appreciate you guys inputs - you will save me a lot of time.
Thanks,
WB
Believe it or not there are decent honest reliable women in this country and some of them are quite cute.
Don't waste your life chasing shadows with the hordes of young girls playing the field online.
AVI believe you, but how to meet them and how to be sure they are decent honest reliable women?
Newbie report on Cebu – part two
The first part can be found in "Cebu".
922402
Just came back from my trip in Cebu, during August (2009) I spend about 20 days in Cebu city. I was looking for GFE not just plain sex. While in Cebu I never paid barfines but I gave all the girls money. Most of the girls I met were from Date in asia. Below I will write about my experience with Cebu girls and I do have some questions for the readers, so would appreciate comments or feedback.
Attitude of the girls towards p4p.
If I divide the world into pro's (prostitutes) and non-pro's (good girl) I would run into serious trouble in Philippines. It seems to me that every girl I met has some form of sex/relationship for money. This is fine with me, as I have money but I am just trying to understand it because I do not want to confuse a good girl with a pro only because she asks me for money. I have met girls in bars (pro's) in malls, on DIA and friends of other girls and most of them were willing to accompany me to my hotel room. All of these girls would at some point ask for money. Either as a fee (bar girl), taxi money (DIA) or poverty/tuition (good girls). Even a girl I had a kinda gf-relationship with asked me for allowance. I asked several other girls about this and they said that it's very normal in a relationship for the guy to give allowance to the girl.
Don't get me wrong, of course in other countries you also spend money on girls (dinner, movies, gifts etc) but I don't literally hand over money. It kinda feels like I am buying their love for me, which raises the question would they still be with me if I don't give them money.
Question 1 to all of you is: "Do all Filipino girls expect some money for you, even if you are in a normal gf-bf relationship? And would they be with you even if you give them nothing (besides the normal dinner, movies, etc)?
Good girls
I am in search of a good girl, simply because I am looking for love and want to settle down at some point with a gf or wife. My problem is that I don't know how to be reasonable sure that she is a good girl. A good girl would not sleep with guys for money, would be wife material and will stay with you because she loves you. The problem lies mostly in the attitude of the girls towards p4p (see above).
I do not know how to distinguish a pro or semi-pro from a good girl as they all have a need for money and will ask for it. I do understand that they are poor and the need for money can be so strong that they overcome their shame or shyness and ask for money.
I have this notion that good girls do not ask for money or if there is great need they will find a way to return the money eventually. This was confirmed by a Filipino girl in Davao who said she would never ask for money and work harder to find the money herself.
An example is a girl I met on DIA in Cebu and we agreed on spending time together for 2 weeks taking trips and she asked for p1000, for expenses. Not a problem. However now as I am back home, she is asking for p10.000 saying that her family is in great need of a source of income as her brother lost his job and her father can't work due to heart attacks. The money would be needed for starting a small shop. I tend to believe her, as I visited her home and met her parents. Her family is poor and there is a great need for money.
I just don't know if it's a scam or not, or if there is a desperately need for money. It seems that, a girl putting up this type of scam and a poor girl with bad luck, would both behave in the same way, so how can I distinguish the scamming girl from the good girl?
Question 2: How to distinguish the scamming girl from the good girl, if the good girl desperately needs money?
Thanks,
Blizz
I believe you, but how to meet them and how to be sure they are decent honest reliable women?Oh the delicious _irony_ of asking this on ISG.. hehehehe :D
In Asia, as in many traditional societies the pussy is brought to _you_!
Seriously though, If you live here for even a short time, have manners & a little money, families will line you up with very nice women.
If you are only here for a week or two its up to you to put in the hard yards before you come to chat up some women on say Filipina Heart for instance. Do you know any Asian people in your neighborhood back home? You would be surprised at how easy it is to get introduced to someone nice.
On a recent short trip back to Australia it became known that I was on the loose. A nice prosperous Taiwanese family I know in my neighborhood intro'd me to a very delectable cousin who was 'available'. Shit man you got to beat them off with a stick I tell ya! :)
As to how to be sure... well life wouldn't be very interesting if everything was absolutely certain would it ;)
AV
Member #4214
08-29-09, 23:33
Question 1 to all of you is: "Do all Filipino girls expect some money for you, even if you are in a normal gf-bf relationship? And would they be with you even if you give them nothing (besides the normal dinner, movies, etc)?
Good girls
I am in search of a good girl, simply because ...
Question 2: How to distinguish the scamming girl from the good girl, if the good girl desperately needs money?
Thanks,
Blizz
A simple fact about the terrain: many (perhaps most) girls in the PI are desperate to secure a means of support, primarily for themselves, but also for other desperate members of their family. This is an objective fact that weighs on both 'good' girls and 'bad', as you use the terms.
I would suggest there are no good or bad girls in the PI. But each girl has core principles by which she lives. In my view none of the girls are more or less respectable than the others. Is a homely and uneducated girl 'bad' because she makes more compromises to feed herself? And her elderly mother? Is a young girl without an education, and raised to feel like an indentured servant to her family, somehow 'bad' because she scrambles desperately for cash?
So in your search to find 'wife material' I would suggest you first begin by identifying those core principals you feel are necessary - non-negotiable. Then you seek out, and only consider those girls who live them (the principles) on a daily basis. To give one example, in the PI you can find virgins in the 25-40 age range. Ask many of them why they are virgins and they will tell of seeing too many husbands beat, impregnate, and abandon their wives. Wives often have essentially no recourse there. If you find, and win the heart of one of these women, my guess is you can be reasonably confident that she will be devoted and faithful for the entirety of your life. I've met Filipinas living in poverty who have vowed off men entirely under this type of reasoning. Over time they may ask for small amounts of money, but how could any reasonable person view them as 'bad' because of that?
Money does not separate right from wrong, good from bad. Some might say a girl who outright 'names her price' is more honest and clear-headed. Oftentimes these women can be more trust-worthy than a good girl who is intrigued by non-pro ways.
Anyway, I shouldn't drag this out. It seems you are not clear what you are looking for, and you are looking in the wrong places for it. The vast majority of the really really 'good' girls are not on DIA looking to hook up.
922402
Don't get me wrong, of course in other countries you also spend money on girls (dinner, movies, gifts etc) but I don't literally hand over money. It kinda feels like I am buying their love for me, which raises the question would they still be with me if I don't give them money.
Blizzlet me answer your question by another question : would you still be with the girl if she dont give you sex?
When I first started a profile on FH, I did so with every intention of finding a wife. Make that a Filipina wife. I did so because of some of the very same reasons stated below about filipinas: devotion to her man, devotion to her family, religion, a traditional man is man/ women is women belief, and the overall sense that a filipina would treat me good and be appreciative of the home I would provide for her and (hopefully) our children.
Over the first few months or so, I met so many females, that I could not keep track of them. So I set the bar impossibly high: must be 5'6" or taller, must have college degree, must have no children and be very attractive, under 120 lbs, etc... And I still received so many emails all I could do was just pick from pictures as to which ones I thought had a chance.
I visited the phils 9 times over a time period of 15 months, mostly for long weekends, 3-4 days at a time. I had every intention of finding a wife, after several weeks of chatting online and video chats.
The first few dates were nothing short of disasters. Mostly these girls were semi pros who used FH to have men come to phils to spend time with them and fuck them and spend money on them; Sort of like rentable GF's for the week.
I was completely oblivious to this game at first and my true sentiments caused some awkward situations at times. Read more like: "Oh you mean you were serious with what you said? I thought you were just coming down here to fuck me and move on."
None of these girls wanted money directly. Mostly time and gifts and dinner and vacations et. al. Of the seven or so that I flew to Phils to see, two specifically would not take any money, or gifts, and wanted to split the check or pay for themselves for everything. To ask me for money directly was completely illogical for them.
These were not rich girls or girls from rich families. They just had good moral values and standards. For whatever reason, things did not work out with either of these girls, but I wanted to state to the board that sound females do exist in the phils, and they would not dream of asking a guy for money. Not even after they met him.
Some nay Sayers may question the validity of my statements, but I have no reason to make false statements. Both were unequivocal in their views about girls that ask guys for money, either over the internet or in person: they are shallow and non trustworthy and do not waste your time. If you do, you are being used.
I still keep in contact with one of these girls, and usually she will ask who is my latest, what is she like, etc. When I tell her the details, she points out the scammers and money hounds. It is sort of like having a spy on the inside of the other team. At first it was astonishing how intuitive she was, but then, over time, I began to realize it was just good common sense.
She would say things like: "when she says this, she means this" or "Carmex she is a prostitute and that is why she is asking for ______" Little details that I would not have caught would sway her judgments one way or another.
So where am I now? Well, I have given up the whole wife concept and am just sport fucking in the PI and Thailand. Good girls are out there, but usually I meet them thru someone else's wife or on Friendster or other chatrooms or websites. I do have a few rules now though. I never sway from them they serve me well.
Most guys will have to learn this lesson for themselves the way I did but I guess some guys will never learn.
I do have a few rules now though. I never sway from them they serve me well..
Carmex
Can you please tell us your current rules ? ?
ET
I had that experience with FH a few years back. Only two girls I met through there were into getting married AND never asked me for anything. I liked them both a lot, but I wasn't interested in marriage so we moved on without the bedroom part. All the others were asking for help one way or another regardless of their short- or long-term goals.
For those who want to find someone to marry, FH is wasted money and I think this probably goes for other sites though I won't pass judgment as I've never been on them. If I ever want to get married to a filipina, I'd start by looking for expat friends who have married well and network my way from there.
Member #4214
08-31-09, 02:51
When I first started a profile on FH, I did so with every intention of finding a wife. Make that a Filipina wife ...
So where am I now [18+ months later?] Well, I have given up the whole wife concept and am just sport fucking in the PI and Thailand ...
An evolution from Wife Hunting to Sport Fucking, in 18 months or less. What a great story!
Blizz, you've certainly added some interesting thoughts to this board.
Since you are looking for a good girl, I wonder how you ended up here in the first place. Or maybe you've decided that finding a good girl might be facilitated by learning about (and enjoying) "bad" girls. I suspect more than a few ISG members fall into that category....
I guess we all find different answers at the end of our "search".
As for the poor and desperate vs scam dilemma -- heed the advice given by others. The obvious scammers are the ones who jumped on the bandwagen yesterday. The good ones are the ones who steal your heart and trust first.
X
Newbie report on Cebu – part two
The first part can be found in "Cebu".
922402
Just came back from my trip in Cebu, during August (2009) I spend about 20 days in Cebu city. I was looking for GFE not just plain sex. While in Cebu I never paid barfines but I gave all the girls money. Most of the girls I met were from Date in asia. Below I will write about my experience with Cebu girls and I do have some questions for the readers, so would appreciate comments or feedback.
SNIP...but well worth reading...
Question 2: How to distinguish the scamming girl from the good girl, if the good girl desperately needs money?
Thanks,
Blizz
Member #4167
08-31-09, 20:55
If I divide the world into pro's (prostitutes) and non-pro's (good girl) I would run into serious trouble in Philippines. It seems to me that every girl I met has some form of sex/relationship for money.
Question 1 to all of you is: "Do all Filipino girls expect some money for you, even if you are in a normal gf-bf relationship? And would they be with you even if you give them nothing (besides the normal dinner, movies, etc)?
I do not know how to distinguish a pro or semi-pro from a good girl as they all have a need for money and will ask for it. I do understand that they are poor and the need for money can be so strong that they overcome their shame or shyness and ask for money.
I have this notion that good girls do not ask for money or if there is great need they will find a way to return the money eventually. This was confirmed by a Filipino girl in Davao who said she would never ask for money and work harder to find the money herself.
An example is a girl I met on DIA in Cebu and we agreed on spending time together for 2 weeks taking trips and she asked for p1000, for expenses. Not a problem. However now as I am back home, she is asking for p10.000 saying that her family is in great need of a source of income as her brother lost his job and her father can't work due to heart attacks. The money would be needed for starting a small shop. I tend to believe her, as I visited her home and met her parents. Her family is poor and there is a great need for money.
I just don't know if it's a scam or not, or if there is a desperately need for money. It seems that, a girl putting up this type of scam and a poor girl with bad luck, would both behave in the same way, so how can I distinguish the scamming girl from the good girl?
Question 2: How to distinguish the scamming girl from the good girl, if the good girl desperately needs money?
Thanks,
BlizzBlizz,
"Question 1 to all of you is: "Do all Filipino girls expect some money for you, even if you are in a normal gf-bf relationship? ""
I have never been to the PI, but I have been to several Latin American / 3d world countries, so I will throw in my .02:
3rd World Women are the same all over the world. In ALL third world countries they typically expect money or support from you in return for their company. (I have had only one exception to this rule). In any poor 3rd world country you are wealthy to them. If you were a multi-millionaire dating in hot young chicks in the states, I am sure that these women would also hit you up for money - expecting you to be their "SugarDaddy"
"I do not know how to distinguish a pro or semi-pro from a good girl as they all have a need for money and will ask for it."
If a girl is unemployed and u ask her to spend a week with you - and she says no - she is a pro. A pro can make more money by working the bars. A pro will charge you PER sex act. A semi-pro only works part-time. In Ecuador, I tried to pry pros away to join me for an extended trip, but they would not go. She has a job. Semi-pro/good girl - is there a distinction? Even the good girls will ask for and expect money/gifts. Perhaps if u met a 45year old Phillipina (or one your age) she might be a truly good girl and not ask u for money.
"Question 2: How to distinguish the scamming girl from the good girl, if the good girl desperately needs money? "
10,000 Pesos is probably a scam. 1,000 pesos is legitimate. It's all a polite way to get money out of you without appearing to be a prostitute.
That having been said, there are a lot of legitimate needs in the PI, due to the poverty. If she is not married to you or your committed partner, I wouldn't feel obligated to giving her money to fix the family roof.
Member #4167
08-31-09, 21:02
The obvious scammers are the ones who jumped on the bandwagen yesterday. The good ones are the ones who steal your heart and trust first.X Man - What a nugget of wisdom!
I learned this lesson the hard way (When my heart was broken !). This has hardened my heart and led me to sport-fucking.
I will print this out and carry it around with me in a wallet.
I still chat with at least nine girls who I know through the bar scene in my various trips to various countries. All are married to foreigners and have babies now and have left the scene in their past. Good girl vs Bad girl? Alot of guys don't care about the girls background. Reminds me of a friend of mine back in Korea. I fucking this unbeliveably fine, 19 year old filipina nympho in Korea for several months but, alas, I had to leave the country, so I told him everything she liked to do, like "lick and suck my balls", "stick her tongue in my ass", "loved getting fucked while she was on the rag", and so on and so forth. After I left the country he started seeing her and eventually married her. They now have two children and seem very happy together. I guess some men are just looking for one good piece of ass, and others, like myself can't seem to get enough variety in their diet.
Yella Man
I had that experience with FH a few years back. Only two girls I met through there were into getting married AND never asked me for anything. I liked them both a lot, but I wasn't interested in marriage so we moved on without the bedroom part. All the others were asking for help one way or another regardless of their short- or long-term goals.
For those who want to find someone to marry, FH is wasted money and I think this probably goes for other sites though I won't pass judgment as I've never been on them. If I ever want to get married to a filipina, I'd start by looking for expat friends who have married well and network my way from there.
Reminds me of a friend of mine back in Korea. I fucking this unbeliveably fine, 19 year old filipina nympho in Korea for several months but, alas, I had to leave the country, so I told him everything she liked to do, like "lick and suck my balls", "stick her tongue in my ass", "loved getting fucked while she was on the rag", and so on and so forth. After I left the country he started seeing her and eventually married her. They now have two children and seem very happy together. I guess some men are just looking for one good piece of ass, and others, like myself can't seem to get enough variety in their diet.
Yella Man
I had an old Army buddy back in the States who was educated and managed to land a high powered career with a well known computer company. He was in his late 20s at the time. Who did he decide to marry?....A 23 year old ex-Shabu using whorish Filipina in my unit who had not a pot to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in and a window to throw out of. He had already been divorced twice via American women. He works she takes care of the kids from his previous marriages.
I just think some guys need that emotional attachment to a woman regardless of her background or socioeconomic status.
They also do seem happy though.
Starchild2012
09-01-09, 18:45
Question 1 to all of you is: "Do all Filipino girls expect some money for you, even if you are in a normal gf-bf relationship? And would they be with you even if you give them nothing (besides the normal dinner, movies, etc)?
Blizz
I think people unnecessarily dissect Filipino character for no reason.
People judge Filipinos based on few months of living here and some bad experiences they had and judge whole of the Philippines in one single shot of light.
First of all, The word "Third World" has nothing to do with economic well being or GDP or a condition of moral well being.
It was a word coined by French economist and demographer Alfred Sauvy, who coined the term Third World, referring to countries particularly in the Middle East, South Asia, Central and South America, Africa, and Oceania, that were unaligned with either the Communist Soviet bloc or the Capitalist NATO bloc during the Cold War.
The term Third World arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned or neutral with either capitalism and NATO (which along with its allies represented the First World) or communism and the Soviet Union (which along with its allies represented the Second World).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World
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I would suggest at least live here for six months to a year, before making any conclusions.
Filipinos are no different from us, when i came here, being from India, i felt i was discriminated and the only chance i had to get laid was with bar girls.
How wrong, six months living here and my thought and existence has taken a 180 degree turn.
We are our own worst enemy, its impossible to be any other way than "experience" our life as time passes by as we get more experience and change our views.
Man is not all about GDP and economy...Man is spiritual in nature and our life experience are a growth in spirituality than GDP numbers.
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After living in Manila for six months and six month in cebu last year, i observed there are a million women who would not ask you money to a 1000 who would, the problem is "marketing" and "exposure".
The girls who wants money advertise themselves more openly on the Internet and chat rooms with the women who does not, the problem is we need to live here, get the aura of the place and one will intuitively know which girl is after money and which girl is genuine.
Filipinos are very very friendlier people and they have a different unique cultural background even with the outside American culture, Filipinos are different.
Do your act in front of a Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Russian or US girls the same way we do with filipinas and we would know, where we stand....our act of stupidity runs as far as filipina or Thai girls are with us, no other girl would buy the shit that we throw at them. period
Don t equate money with pleasure and friendliness, do this with an Indian, arab, eu or us girls, it wont count...atleast never ever in India.
There are lots of call centers girls, nurses, doctors, manager filipinas who are willing to go on a date and earn above 50k per month.
Most of the dude who come here does not have time to invest to find local good girls, they only find girls who market themselves for money.
Philippines has unlimited possibility in hooking up with women, they come in all sorts of shape, size, color, some ask money, some dont.
Please spend at least six months here and then you will never even see a girl who will ask you for money.
Its the whole Aura or getting the vibe of the place thing.
Put the girl to a test, i tested many times and asked working good job Filipina girls money and they were willing to give whatever they had at that time.
Filipino culture or Asian is like a big family, they all share emotions and wealth to a greater extent than Europe or America.
Everyone lives together, support each other, asking money is no big deal here, friendship really matters a lot to Filipinos.
Here women have a lot of respect for men, i would say now with Internet and all, it is IMPOSSIBLE to meet a non money asking filipina at first. please understand this.
Not to be ignorant, there is a lot of economic problems in here, yet, there is no other country on planet as approachable as the filipinas as here, with all the economic conditions that they live in.
Good Luck
Please spend at least six months here and then you will never even see a girl who will ask you for money.You are right, of course. I am searching for ways that would allow me to spend more time in Philippines, yet gives me enough income to be comfortable. Haven't found it yet.
Member #4491
09-01-09, 20:43
Question 2: How to distinguish the scamming girl from the good girl, if the good girl desperately needs money?
BlizzHow about not bothering about this? Give her the money if you have it to share. Money are never lost, it just change owners. Her family will get the cash no matter if you are the first or the tenth guy that gives her 10 000 peso. And then they will spend it in their little circle and someone else will have some money. And then they change owners again and sooner or later someone deserving according to your moral standards will get it.
Send her the money and cut of your Red Cross International donations. I am sure she needs it better.
Is she a scammer? Yes, to some extent in my opinion. Why? Because she asked for money. I have at least five girls I see regularly, that never ask me for money. Never. They work hard and do not see me as an exit. Normal girls. Or I would even say outstandingly good girls. The kind of girls you can find only in the Philippines where I people are still decent. An unique country of decent people, but with an urgent need for being pragmatic. Do I give them money? Yes of course. Dis I ever see any woman without giving her money or gifts? No, never.
Having this said about my 5+ good gfs, one must never forget that for many perfectly normal girls in Philippines. And the rest of the world (s). Financial security comes first. Love will grow on a couple, but financial security is a must from day one. That is the definition of a happy marriage. I have it very close and have seen the process. And yes, I can only say that it is love as real as any today. All are happy, so why question if it was real?
Born Looser 5, I love your posts. You posses clarity and an open mind.
Regards,
Barba
FreebieFan
09-02-09, 00:31
How about not bothering about this? Give her the money if you have it to share. Money are never lost, it just change owners. Her family will get the cash no matter if you are the first or the tenth guy that gives her 10 000 peso. And then they will spend it in their little circle and someone else will have some money. And then they change owners again and sooner or later someone deserving according to your moral standards will get it.
Is she a scammer? Yes, to some extent in my opinion. Why? Because she asked for money. I have at least five girls I see regularly, that never ask me for money. Never. They work hard and do not see me as an exit. Normal girls. Or I would even say outstandingly good girls. The kind of girls you can find only in the Philippines where I people are still decent. An unique country of decent people, but with an urgent need for being pragmatic. Do I give them money? Yes of course. Dis I ever see any woman without giving her money or gifts? No, never.
Having this said about my 5+ good gfs, one must never forget that for many perfectly normal girls in Philippines.
Barba
Case in point... had had an afternoon boom boom session recently in Manila. I offered to give the girl P200 so she could take a taxi home. No thanks, she says. I have P20 in my pocket so I can take the jeep then a trike.
GoodEnough
09-02-09, 05:28
I'm with Barba on this subject. This is an extremely poor country, and by all indications that I can observe, it's getting poorer, or at least creating lots more poor people. So the fact is that most people need money, many for basic survival, and ultimately, whatever funds you provide will be put to good use. There are so few decent jobs here, and the odds on securing meaningful employment, even with a degree, are minimal, so people do what they need to do in order to survive. If this involves "scamming" it's unfortunate, but the economic situation being what it is, it's not surprising.
GE
I think people unnecessarily dissect Filipino character for no reason.
People judge Filipinos based on few months of living here and some bad experiences they had and judge whole of the Philippines in one single shot of light.
Not I. I have hung around them in the USA, South Korea, Japan, Dubai/UAE and one year down of being a property owner in PI.
First of all, The word "Third World" has nothing to do with economic well being or GDP or a condition of moral well being.
Hmmm? Poor people no matter what country always make the best crooks.
I would suggest at least live here for six months to a year, before making any conclusions.
I have.
Filipinos are no different from us, when i came here, being from India, i felt i was discriminated and the only chance i had to get laid was with bar girls.
They are different from us. Very different. GE tried to point this out to me last year in a post but I disagreed but the light bulb has clicked on. I have worked with Indians in Dubai and in Afghanistan Filipinos are not like you guys either. Anyone here can meet so-call normal girls but at what price? Sponsorship…. A parasitic marriage or relationship?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=788977&postcount=715
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=788712&postcount=710
How wrong, six months living here and my thought and existence has taken a 180 degree turn.
I have too.
Man is not all about GDP and economy...Man is spiritual in nature and our life experience are a growth in spirituality than GDP numbers.
I also I don’t know about that one. I didn’t experience life until my personal GDP grew. I remember a couple of years back looking out at the crystal blue water of Phuket from the balcony of my hotel room after the poverty from which I grew up in and I thought about my personal GDP and how that made this possible.
Filipinos are very very friendlier people
This comes down to personal experiences.
Do your act in front of a Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Russian or US girls the same way we do with filipinas and we would know, where we stand....our act of stupidity runs as far as filipina or Thai girls are with us, no other girl would buy the shit that we throw at them. period
Could you please explain this more?
There are lots of call centers girls, nurses, doctors, manager filipinas who are willing to go on a date and earn above 50k per month.
Unemployed or under-employed Nurses are a dime a dozen here. I have one I am fooling around with in Metro Manila at this moment another I hung out with last year in Cebu. A lot of them got on the “become a Nurse and go overseas and make buku dollars” bandwagon but just like the IT gold rush of the States a lot of them found this was a bust.
A Filipino doctor belongs to the upper echelon of Filipino society and if a guy is a plumber or something I doubt just because you are a foreigner she would be interested in you. A guy would have to bring more to the table to land one of those young high-professionals or an Exec. They tend to marry other hi-so Filipinos.
Please spend at least six months here and then you will never even see a girl who will ask you for money.
This is not true. Just ask the only guy who has his own forum on the PI threads and he has been here for years.
Filipino culture or Asian is like a big family, they all share emotions and wealth to a greater extent than Europe or America.
Yeah in PI they teach interpendance but in my country its everyman for themselves and this is what I live by. Carry your own weight. I guess you would call this a clash of cultures.
Everyone lives together, support each other, asking money is no big deal here, friendship really matters a lot to Filipinos.
Asking for money is always a big deal BL I don’t know maybe some of you guys are rich. I earn a decent salary but I cringe when I hear those words can you loan or can I borrow?
Here women have a lot of respect for men, i would say now with Internet and all, it is IMPOSSIBLE to meet a non money asking filipina at first. please understand this.
Hmmm. Respect in what form?
Not to be ignorant, there is a lot of economic problems in here, yet, there is no other country on planet as approachable as the filipinas as here, with all the economic conditions that they live in.
That is exactly the reason why they are so approachable because of the economic conditions. I lived in Japan for 8 months and there is an abundance of Filipinas there but they are not so approachable and will ignore most advances from men just ask one prominent poster on this thread. Why because they have the potential to earn decent money and they are already living in one the world’s pristine countries so no need for a visa also.
I'm with Barba on this subject. This is an extremely poor country, and by all indications that I can observe, it's getting poorer, or at least creating lots more poor people. So the fact is that most people need money, many for basic survival, and ultimately, whatever funds you provide will be put to good use. There are so few decent jobs here, and the odds on securing meaningful employment, even with a degree, are minimal, so people do what they need to do in order to survive. If this involves "scamming" it's unfortunate, but the economic situation being what it is, it's not surprising.
GE
http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20090710-214895/Weighing-Arroyo-and-her-administration
Member #4167
09-02-09, 20:01
That is exactly the reason why they are so approachable because of the economic conditions. I lived in Japan for 8 months and there is an abundance of Filipinas there but they are not so approachable and will ignore most advances from men just ask one prominent poster on this thread. Why because they have the potential to earn decent money and they are already living in one the world's pristine countries so no need for a visa also.I'm with the Warbucks/GE crowd. Warbucks made the point so eloquently in the above paragraph. I have also noticed the same behavoir from Filipinas in the USA. They are "not so approachable." If Filipinas were intrinsically open, warm, approachable women, then they would remain so, even in Japan. Yet Warbucks has shown that their attitude changes once they get into the good life.
In Cuba I met a stunningly beautiful 21yo girl that said she had her EXIT VISA and was leaving in 2 months. Because I enjoyed her company and her beauty, I took her out on a date. Even though she was very friendly and affectionate with me, I dropped the relationship, because I knew that there was nothing I could offer her. As soon as she got to the states she'd dump me for someone her own age.
Member #4491
09-02-09, 22:32
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Member #4491
09-04-09, 22:19
Ok, so it is at least not some parsing software but a human being.
Got your directive! Will comply. And I hope I influenced future editing.
I am not sure who "me" refers to but if it is ever an issue I will find out.
Best from Barba
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Starchild2012
09-05-09, 14:35
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Wow, Thanks for reading and writing it up step by step. you sound like illogic, are you his bro ? ;)
Hmmm? Poor people no matter what country always make the best crooks.
I don't know if money being good relates to crookedness, cos Bernie maddoff, wall street and banking crisis were in US and europe...and they were the greatest and biggest fraud done ever on earth in the richest country.
They are different from us. Very different. GE tried to point this out to me last year in a post but I disagreed but the light bulb has clicked on. I have worked with Indians in Dubai and in Afghanistan Filipinos are not like you guys either. Anyone here can meet so-call normal girls but at what price? Sponsorship…. A parasitic marriage or relationship?
I really hope you spend some time in India and with Indian women and know the frustration we face to have sex in India, India has the highest avg. year when men have sex than any country....i think im desperate enough to get whatever i can
I also I don’t know about that one. I didn’t experience life until my personal GDP grew. I remember a couple of years back looking out at the crystal blue water of Phuket from the balcony of my hotel room after the poverty from which I grew up in and I thought about my personal GDP and how that made this possible.
Really its the other way, when your destiny and karma calls, your GDP will grow, spirituality precedes materialism.
I guess this is the difference between oriental and occidental thinking.
Could you please explain this more?
I have encountered russian, arab, japanese, korean and UK US girls in india, thailand, singapore, hong kong, macau and here in PH, but everywhere, the most approachable women, are from PH, may be its my personal experience.
I have called normal working women i mean like call centre managers into my condo in first date pretending that to just visit and then have fun with them and then just leave them cold. i mean no calls, whatever, i just forget about them and what i get nothing in return, no angry messages, calls, NO CURSES, not ones but many times, women here, are not aggressive or revengeful..In India if i were to do that...i would be cursed to hell 1000 times with angry message and calls and threatened to put my balls on fire :)
In India, women will take your money and then curse you as well...its never enough...never ever enough anything u do.
Unemployed or under-employed Nurses are a dime a dozen here. I have one I am fooling around with in Metro Manila at this moment another I hung out with last year in Cebu. A lot of them got on the “become a Nurse and go overseas and make buku dollars” bandwagon but just like the IT gold rush of the States a lot of them found this was a bust.
A Filipino doctor belongs to the upper echelon of Filipino society and if a guy is a plumber or something I doubt just because you are a foreigner she would be interested in you. A guy would have to bring more to the table to land one of those young high-professionals or an Exec. They tend to marry other hi-so Filipinos.
I agree, docter's are in elite group, but their friends necessarily aren't..if one can hook up with normal docters friends...there is a way to get to them ..they dont ad themselves in Dating sites, but there friends are
This is not true. Just ask the only guy who has his own forum on the PI threads and he has been here for years.
Man, i don't know, may be i got a different experience, or i have lower standard.....but truly..im not encountering any women that have asked me money as they used to as before.....well, it may be a temporary phase..after sometime ..lets see if i meet them again.
Asking for money is always a big deal BL I don’t know maybe some of you guys are rich. I earn a decent salary but I cringe when I hear those words can you loan or can I borrow?
Not like in capitalism i meant, it could be more understandable, money is not everything and not the only thing....people and cultures have different goals than earning just money.
1 in 9 American live in Food stamps, thats nearly 30 Millions, similar numbers are unemployed and live on benefits.
If it was not for world war 2 and bretten woods and making USD as world reserve currency, we may have seen the same pattern in US now people asking for money worse...there will be riots and killing on streets...is that any better...
In US people don't ask money they steal :D kidding
i'm not sure, if Filipinos ask money while they live in US or Europe...they are not as crazy as here as one may think...its economic problem...their pleas for money could be understood...
During great depression of 30's in US...everyone was asking for money from friends and relatives and begging and lotting everywhere..now they are not...if Philippine is too become a rich country...slowly asking money will also go.
Hmmm. Respect in what form?
May be i'm from India and no women looks at Indian men as cleanly as they would do with other men :)
Personally, I'm living a dream, I thought one night stands are stuff of Hollywood and for an Indian middle class guy to get laid so many times....i just think...it could be no other way than respect for being a man and nothing else..i hear lot of us having a good time in PH ..well the amount of money i spend here and double the money i spent in India..i got a crappy deal , shit bars and lots of unwanted curses.
i got an upgrade from women here..:)
That is exactly the reason why they are so approachable because of the economic conditions. I lived in Japan for 8 months and there is an abundance of Filipinas there but they are not so approachable and will ignore most advances from men just ask one prominent poster on this thread. Why because they have the potential to earn decent money and they are already living in one the world’s pristine countries so no need for a visa also.
I wish you visit India once..i would be happy to show you around...Indians live in mass poverty, and yet women are as unapproachable as women from Arab country which are some of the richest countries in the world.
We cant even see Arab women face and they are rich...many women from pakistan, India, srilanka, bangladesh, are unapproachable..call their culture or religion....the fact is half of women on the earth are unapproachable due to religion or culture or what to talk about American women..which people from US itself write..so we have left with less than 30% or so south east Asian women who are approachable easily.
I would say, you are right, about meeting Filipino women in japan, however, from where i come from, even with mass poverty and Arab riches, women are unapproachable.
i think, opinion, life's point of view, does not matter in the long run, they change over time, i have changed my own view 100 times about the PH... it could be my survival that makes me paint a rosy picture of what it is not.
Good Luck
Hello Blizz,
I read your post part 2, and the comments from other ISGers.
They seem to me to be a cynical lot.
My experience is different to yours, but there are common elements.
The main difference is that I have been back and forth to Phils since about 1995, but irregularly. So I have had some experience of filipinas. And I have worked with quite a few, and employed a few on various jobs over the years.
Having lived in their houses, and met their friends, I can say that filipinas are no different to conventional western women when it comes to finding a wife or long term partner.There are squillions of them, but you never get to meet them. Just stand on a street corner in Manila and watch them stream by, there is a pretty good percentage of really attractive ones, almost none of th great fat slugs in my country, and almost all of them are regular, straight women.
I use Cherry Blossom for my dating site, because it has almost the best search engine. By using the search engine, I can be fairly specific about the physical characteristics of the woman I am looking for. Tall, thin, between 25 and 35, no kids.
I wrote a very specific profile, about what I want, and no scammers.
I said specifically that I will not send money or give money till there is a relationship, so don't waste my time and yours.
Also, the service includes the ability to post a profile called a "match" and I get daily matches by email.
I take qute a lot of time back and forth, I get them to move across to email, and I get a phone number. On email we can send photos back and forth, and sometimes I will chat of YM, or CB.
Of the women who have made it through the sorting process, maybe 5 in a hundred, all but one has been pretty genuine.
A couple have been stunners.
None have asked for money, or not till I have offered.
Most would be lower middle class, family not starving, with a regular job, but often not well paying. And they are honest, no need to lock my valuables, they get things done.
So they are there, and they are real treasures.
All would be marriage material, and two are front runners for permanent relationships right now.
The big problem with this approach is that all of them but one have regular jobs, so they can not take time off to spend with me for more than a weekend. So I have to go to them, and get a hotel nearish to their work, and we spend weekends and evenings together.
So, don't give up. They are there, and they are worth it.
And it is much easier than in western countries, where the women tend to put you through the wringer.
Good luck,
Gangles
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