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Fast Eddie 48
02-26-09, 17:59
I took the MPV van from Miraton to/from HKIA a number of times and the travelling time was about two hours, but always in the afternoon and not during the morning peak hour.Wallyp88,
This is on a Pirvate car but we are talking about bus ,you need to get off the bus walk across the huanggang border and catch another bus to HKIA .
Fast eddie 48
OldAsiaHand
02-27-09, 03:34
Yes, yes, there is the point of being respectful and asking the other guy for permission clearly and explicitly. But I think with too many guys, especially the ones not used to P4P scene, their feelings get in the way. They approach it as if these girls are their girlfriends, or regular girls. The male territorial instinct kicks in (don't fuck "my girl"!). But we all know, that the moment you let her go, she will be looking for other guys to fuck. They are working girls after all.
Wadman,
I remember one incident in CP a couple of years ago. Santa and I had just picked up some BBS girls and were walking back to the Miraton with them. A couple of Santa's mates, I think they were ABC, came out of that western restaurant next to the hotel. One of them approached my girl and asked for her number right in front of me and told her he would call her later. He probably figured that I did not understand what he was saying to her in Chinese.
Nevertheless, I thought this was way out of line and I am certainly not new to the P4P game. Call me selfish but if he had asked me if it was OK first, I would have probably told him to wait until I was done with her.
I think different mongers have different perspectives on this subject. Guys like you and SEAJ pass the girls around like sharing food. "Try this one, she gives excellent head". Others feel that once they select a girl, she "belongs" to them regardless. Some take it to the opposite extreme and will never do girls that their mates have done out of some kind of respect for the territorial rights. I have noticed that many Thai working girls respect this, as well. They will refuse to go with a mate. I agree that most Chinese working girls could care less about it and will go with anyone that pays them.
My theory is that this territorial rights thing is more common among westerners than Asians.
Just my POV.
OAH
Chang Ping
02-27-09, 04:02
Wadman,
I remember one incident in CP a couple of years ago. Santa and I had just picked up some BBS girls and were walking back to the Miraton with them. A couple of Santa's mates, I think they were ABC, came out of that western restaurant next to the hotel. One of them approached my girl and asked for her number right in front of me and told her he would call her later. He probably figured that I did not understand what he was saying to her in Chinese.
Nevertheless, I thought this was way out of line and I am certainly not new to the P4P game. Call me selfish but if he had asked me if it was OK first, I would have probably told him to wait until I was done with her.
I think different mongers have different perspectives on this subject. Guys like you and SEAJ pass the girls around like sharing food. "Try this one, she gives excellent head". Others feel that once they select a girl, she "belongs" to them regardless. Some take it to the opposite extreme and will never do girls that their mates have done out of some kind of respect for the territorial rights. I have noticed that many Thai working girls respect this, as well. They will refuse to go with a mate. I agree that most Chinese working girls could care less about it and will go with anyone that pays them.
My theory is that this territorial rights thing is more common among westerners than Asians.
Just my POV.
OAHTks for your POV. I am not sure if territorial rights is "more" western the same as "face" is more eastern. But I get your point nonetheless.
Not wanting to dredge up the whole incident again but I do respect "territorial rights" unless given the signal or impression that its not OK to proceed. Case in point, if someone introduces gal as GF or regular or something along those lines.
To illustrate the opposite of this, case in point as discussed earlier, this prick communicated what would clearly be interpreted as OK to proceed and then cried foul when I acted on it.
That to me is clearly disingenuous and should not be tolerated among mongering bros.
You may not believe this but I AM sensitive to the feelings of bros I hang out with (within reason of course), respectful and am very accommodating almost to a fault. Which is probably why I find this episode all the more upsetting and incredulous.
Coming back from HK last week, i decided to stop in CP for 2 nights. Went to the Shangyuan hotel, 10min walk from Miraton / Huimei area, 208/night, nice environment.
Took the in room 300 service the first night. The sauna mamasan came to my room with a line up of 4 girls: i chose a 20yo cutie (the 400 service apparently comes with nicer girls), shower with BBBJCIM then FS in the room. Nice 90min service though the girl was little nervous at first (her first \"white\" foreigner...)
The surprise came the next day when the mamasan called me in the morning and asked if we could have dinner together as she was working in the sauna in the afternoon. OK! We went back separatly to the hotel and she came to my room: wild fuck all night! Nice feeling, especially as chinese girls are usually not so daring and a 30- mamasan skills is at least as good as her pupils...
Meiguoguizi
02-27-09, 13:01
Wadman,
I remember one incident in CP a couple of years ago. Santa and I had just picked up some BBS girls and were walking back to the Miraton with them. A couple of Santa's mates, I think they were ABC, came out of that western restaurant next to the hotel. One of them approached my girl and asked for her number right in front of me and told her he would call her later. He probably figured that I did not understand what he was saying to her in Chinese.
Nevertheless, I thought this was way out of line and I am certainly not new to the P4P game. Call me selfish but if he had asked me if it was OK first, I would have probably told him to wait until I was done with her.
I think different mongers have different perspectives on this subject. Guys like you and SEAJ pass the girls around like sharing food. "Try this one, she gives excellent head". Others feel that once they select a girl, she "belongs" to them regardless. Some take it to the opposite extreme and will never do girls that their mates have done out of some kind of respect for the territorial rights. I have noticed that many Thai working girls respect this, as well. They will refuse to go with a mate. I agree that most Chinese working girls could care less about it and will go with anyone that pays them.
My theory is that this territorial rights thing is more common among westerners than Asians.
Just my POV.
OAH
Perhaps you should have warned him that for several days after being with you she would likely be suffering from PCS, post-Caucasian syndrome, a common ailment in China where the poor young thing will be unable to feel the entry or motion of an asian tool unless it is moving horizontally.
Most of the HK chinese do this sort of thing. They think other people do not understand chinese.
In my opinion we are accustomed to other people ignoring our date. But in Asian countries they know the girl is not your GF and it is very much possible the girls do smile at them.
I had a young very pretty chinese GF. I have taken her on many vacations. Wherever we went she was approached by other single men. In some cases young chinese men. My GF would smile and say she is with me unlike american girls react in a angry way.
I would just ignore the whole thing and sometimes she would tell me they were asking for her phone number. There is no use getting into a bar brawl out of jealousy.
She is with you for the moment and that is all what matters. You do not own her just because you stuck a deal with her.
Old Mean Dog
02-27-09, 22:02
Most of the HK chinese do this sort of thing. They think other people do not understand chinese.
In my opinion we are accustomed to other people ignoring our date. But in Asian countries they know the girl is not your GF and it is very much possible the girls do smile at them.
I had a young very pretty chinese GF. I have taken her on many vacations. Wherever we went she was approached by other single men. In some cases young chinese men. My GF would smile and say she is with me unlike american girls react in a angry way.
I would just ignore the whole thing and sometimes she would tell me they were asking for her phone number. There is no use getting into a bar brawl out of jealousy.
She is with you for the moment and that is all what matters. You do not own her just because you stuck a deal with her.
I think the point is, there is 100's of girls in CP to choose from, why they need this particular girl at that exact time is beyond me. If I do all the leg work to find one I like, pay for her services, then technically, she does belong to me for that period of time. Nothing worse then some lazy douche bag, running up to her while she is with me to get her digits.
Asking the guy what shop she comes from, is a much better approach and would certainly prevent any animosity.
-CPE
Wadman,
I remember one incident in CP a couple of years ago. Santa and I had just picked up some BBS girls and were walking back to the Miraton with them. A couple of Santa's mates, I think they were ABC, came out of that western restaurant next to the hotel. One of them approached my girl and asked for her number right in front of me and told her he would call her later. He probably figured that I did not understand what he was saying to her in Chinese.
Well, OK, but that's more a case of your perceived language shortcomings. I am sure they make lots of other less appropriate comments too.
Nevertheless, I thought this was way out of line and I am certainly not new to the P4P game. Call me selfish but if he had asked me if it was OK first, I would have probably told him to wait until I was done with her.
A bit of an extreme POV with a BBS girl, no? Especially one you do ST. For a BBS girl, I am more than happy to give you her phone number before, and send her over after.
I think different mongers have different perspectives on this subject. Guys like you and SEAJ pass the girls around like sharing food. "Try this one, she gives excellent head".
While SEA Joe and I do compare notes on girls, I do not take Joe's girls. Someone said that "after a caucasian does a girl, she won't be able to feel an Asian dick for days". It's a somewhat similar thing with Joe's girls.
After the thick wads of cash he has shoved into their wallets, they will barely notice the one single bill I put into them.
Others feel that once they select a girl, she "belongs" to them regardless. Some take it to the opposite extreme and will never do girls that their mates have done out of some kind of respect for the territorial rights. I have noticed that many Thai working girls respect this, as well. They will refuse to go with a mate. I agree that most Chinese working girls could care less about it and will go with anyone that pays them.
Most Chinese WGs are a bit reluctant to do you if she has done your friend. But only a bit. Money usually talks.
My theory is that this territorial rights thing is more common among westerners than Asians.
I would once again like to point out the fact that we are talking about WGs here. Not regular girls. I am not sure I agree that Asian guys are less territorial when it comes to regular girls. Nor do I think that Western guys are more territorial when it comes to WGs.
OldAsiaHand
02-28-09, 03:16
What did I do wrong? How do you separate the quotes?
Well, OK, but that's more a case of your perceived language shortcomings. I am sure they make lots of other less appropriate comments too.[QUOTE=Wadman]
Yes, you hear it all the time. A friend of mine living 25+ years in Thailand never learned the language. Asked why, he says he does not want to get angry hearing what people say about him.
[QUOTE=Wadman]
A bit of an extreme POV with a BBS girl, no? Especially one you do ST. For a BBS girl, I am more than happy to give you her phone number before, and send her over after.[QUOTE=Wadman]
I support CPExpat's theory. If she is with me, regardless of how long, she is exclusively mine during that period. I am also happy to send her over after I do her.
[QUOTE=Wadman]
While SEA Joe and I do compare notes on girls, I do not take Joe's girls. Someone said that "after a caucasian does a girl, she won't be able to feel an Asian dick for days". It's a somewhat similar thing with Joe's girls.
After the thick wads of cash he has shoved into their wallets, they will barely notice the one single bill I put into them.[QUOTE=Wadman]
I reckon the Caucasian dick theory is nonsense.
[QUOTE=Wadman]
Most Chinese WGs are a bit reluctant to do you if she has done your friend. But only a bit. Money usually talks. [QUOTE=Wadman]
I only experienced the reluctance once. I wanted to send a BBS girl to Bill Lee but she refused. At least, at the time she was with me. Bill went back and took her from the shop later.
[QUOTE=Wadman]
I would once again like to point out the fact that we are talking about WGs here. Not regular girls. I am not sure I agree that Asian guys are less territorial when it comes to regular girls. Nor do I think that Western guys are more territorial when it comes to WGs.
Yes, we are only talking about WGs here. Obviously, most guys would be more territorial with regular girls, but some can be just as territorial with WGs.
Just my POV.
OAH
What did I do wrong? How do you separate the quotes?
You need to manually enclose a quote like this (Take out the ! and it will work).
[!Quote=Name] Text to be quoted [!/quote]
it looks like this:
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or nested
[!quote=name2][!quote=name1] Text1 to be quoted[!/quote] Text2 to be quoted[!/quote]
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Most Chinese WGs are a bit reluctant to do you if she has done your friend. But only a bit. Money usually talks.
I only experienced the reluctance once. I wanted to send a BBS girl to Bill Lee but she refused. At least, at the time she was with me. Bill went back and took her from the shop later.
So, have I told you about my plan of a group of us doing 1 BBS girl. No, not all at once! But over a period of days. The last guy invites her out for dinner. When she shows up, all her former boyfriends will be sitting at the table waiting for her.
Actually, something similar has taken place already. XiaoMing from Swanlake BBS/KTV is a goodlooking and fun girl (or used to be anyway). At one point, most of the guys in the group have picked and done her. BSDave then invites her along for a bite to eat. She took it surprisingly well, was not in the least bit embarassed and gave as good as she got. SEA Joe and me ran into her at Swanlake KTV again yesterday, and man, has she changed. She looks the same, but was nasty to Joe, me, and everybody else. A few months on the job does a lot to the girls.
Yes, we are only talking about WGs here. Obviously, most guys would be more territorial with regular girls, but some can be just as territorial with WGs.
Well, to give you an idea of how territorial some guys are about WGs... some guys refuse to reveal the tagnumber of a sauna girl they have done to their buddies. Because he feels he has done her, and feels some sort of ownership or bond. A sauna girl! Who fucks about 3-4 guys a day, everyday on average, in a well-run sauna. High-end sauna girls do less, cheap low-end ones do even more.
I can understand someone not wanting to share sauna girl info because she might become too popular. Or some BSD might tip her.
See, with WGs, there should be no issue with another guy taking the girl after you are done with her. The thing is, not all guys see them strictly as WGs. Some guys start actual, serious relationships with them, usually KTV girls. For a while at least (and then hopefully he will wake up and realize that she is a KTV girl).
Other BSDs like to keep the girls as mistresses/regulars/semi-regulars. These guys realize the situation, and don't see these girls as candidates for something more serious. They are just private and personal playthings. So when these guys take a KTV girl, even for the first time, she is a possible candidate for something more longterm.
Beijing Xiber
02-28-09, 11:23
So, have I told you about my plan of a group of us doing 1 BBS girl. No, not all at once! But over a period of days. The last guy invites her out for dinner. When she shows up, all her former boyfriends will be sitting at the table waiting for her.
Actually, something similar has taken place already....
About 20 years ago during my younger and wilder days, my buddies and I were sitting in the Ramada Kowloon Bar on the second floor overlooking the street. Just 4 guys kicking back and enjoying happy hour. Then our 5th friend shows up with WG we all knew from a tea dance place from B2 of the New World Center.
We all razzed him about not bringing one for each of us and that he should share her with us. Since I was the one staying in the hotel, I offered up my room, thinking the WG would never go through with it. Being the good host, I even told my buddies they could all go first.
With a twinkle in her eye, she proceeded to take each of us to my room, one at a time, and return with each of us, grinning from ear to ear back to the bar to get the next guy. When we were all done, we all sat around and compared notes on her service level expertise and that we are all now true brothers! it was truly a memorable night.
However, to this day I still can not figure out why I did not call room service or new towels and to clean the room but instead and stupdily used tissue and a semi clean face cloth. Go figure.
So try sharing and remember sharing is one of the golden rules we all learned in kindergarten! Just remember no to share soiled towels and to order new ones from house keeping!
Keep safe out there.
BJXB
dear chairman joe, i really appreciate all of your tips, seriously. i am heading there in mid march, and am very much looking forward to the return trip. i remember last time i was there, i couldn't find any decent, normal bars to hang out. i am not a huge ktv fan, so tend to like to have a few beers before heading out to a bbs. thanks for the tip on the oyster bar. is it on one end of zhongyuan st? are there other normal bars? (i went to one that had a show, but had minimal expenses, pretty lame.) also, i think i will stay at the miraton this time (last time peninsula, but too far); do you think manhattan is better in terms of quality and location? again, i really appreciate all the info. i hope to be able to buy you a few rounds when i get there.
yup, she was on her best behaviour last week-end. she shone on me and i had a great time in cp. or was it the fact that a lot more gals came back and new ones from the factories also came streaming back?
respectable numbers thursday at all of the bbs's - so much so that i had a hard time trying to decide just which li'l 'un i was gonna go for my first "arrivay arrivay" pop! this was also the case the whole of my stay - spoilt for choice -even on friday evening! had even taken 4 gals (including the very pretty cien cien) from the swl for dinner (and no, i didn't pay 'em anything - just treated them for hot pot dinner) - that's how large a choice we had!
at least 50-60 gals at the night market - some not so attractive yet as they seem to be brand new gals who don't yet know how to put on proper make-up/have good hair-do's - and a dozen or so gals at each of the bbs's we visited..... at 11:30 pm!!
the ex-5th floor, now hole-in-the-wall bbs under the snooker sign (hey, we should call it the snooker bbs - ok?) also had a couple vietnamese gals - who can only speak a smattering of cantonese - available. one of them - a chun was a real cutey!
by the way, the mommies confirmed to me that yalan bbs's usually do stay open till midnight before letting their gals go.
the hui mei alley bbs's were also very well stocked with each showing off at least 15 gals each - and the one behind the barber shop with at least 25! well stocked at 3 pm! and that ass hole poppa - who routinely shouts and hurl abuse at mongers who don't take one of his gals - even kept his manners and not uttered even a peep when we walked out of his shop! i still can't stand this blot on the cp momma/poppa society though!
wadman also took us to the "lotus bar" area - a whole bunch of zhuhai type umbrella bars ringed by bbq stands offering 18 huge oyesters for rmb30 (buy a dozen, get half a dozen free) as well as other bbq goodies cheaply. it is located catty corner from the manhattan, about a hundred metres from the clipper, and one sits around drinking rmb10 bottles of beer with the gals behind the counter whilst snacking and playing dice games.
weelock fell in love with the big titted ex-clipper footie gal who recognized me and invited us to patronize her. my ex-footie gal also introduced us to her boss who is an abc/bbc ex-san francisco and vancouver and also to the other partner - who's wife is a classy good looking mid 20's gal also manning one of the bars. good place to hang out for you guys with limited chinese language speaking skills!
seaj
1. Being territorial.
You guys say that some of us are territorial and possessive. Well, let me make myself perfectly clear. ALL of these girls belong to ME. They are MINE!!!
And NO, you cannot have her goddam phone number.
2. Numbers are down.
I agree with OAH, again. The numbers are way down and so is the quality. There are very few new girls. The selection sucks. This surprises me. I thought there would be lots and lots of new unemployed girls looking for money in the oldest profession.
Could someone please explain what has happened? Where are the farmfresh newbies?
Cloud Palms
03-01-09, 17:43
Perhaps you should have warned him that for several days after being with you she would likely be suffering from PCS, post-Caucasian syndrome, a common ailment in China where the poor young thing will be unable to feel the entry or motion of an asian tool unless it is moving horizontally.
Whoa back up there cowboy! Lets put that type of reasoning back in our holsters shall we?
WG or not, I would feel disrespected if what happened to OAH happened to me too but probably not a great idea to say that to a group of Chinese guys IN CHINA or even ABCs in China. Then again you're the "LARGE Rich American" and know it all so please try it and report back!
SE Asia Joe
03-02-09, 03:35
Guys guys guys - been "in action" and not been posting and am quite taken aback that you guys are still on this "thing"
Chang Ping asked for an opinion and we've all given him such opinion - and that's what they are - OPINION - or as OAH would say just his P.O.V. so howzabout letting "this" rest?
OK - another topic -
Of late, I've had to read thru the "ISG abbreviations page" tab to actually get the meaning of certain abbreviations - and even had to guess what certain abbreviations mean.
Well, past week-end I've had the privilege of initating a certain young lady into the joys of anal sex (errrrr..... my joy actually.... not hers unfortunately!!). And I was thinkin' - can she now only be referred to as being a three-holer? Or an Anal Gal? I mean - all that's a bit crass and.... whatever. So howzabout I suggest the abbreviations "V.O.A." - which of course is to mean Vaginal, Oral and Anal?!
Is this abbreviation good enough to go on the "ISG abbreviations page?"
Just my P.O.V.!!
SEAJ
PS. Only Santa's opinion is 100% correct!! They are ALL his gals - so you guys better stay away from HIS Gals!! ROFLMAO!!
SE Asia Joe
03-02-09, 04:05
Dear Chairman Joe, I really appreciate all of your tips, seriously. I am heading there in mid March, and am very much looking forward to the return trip. I remember last time I was there, I couldn't find any decent, normal bars to hang out. I am not a huge KTV fan, so tend to like to have a few beers before heading out to a BBS. Thanks for the tip on the oyster bar. Is it on one end of Zhongyuan St? Are there other normal bars? (I went to one that had a show, but had minimal expenses, pretty lame.) Also, I think I will stay at the Miraton this time (last time Peninsula, but too far); do you think Manhattan is better in terms of quality and location? Again, I really appreciate all the info. I hope to be able to buy you a few rounds when I get there.
Jeez - please!! I ain't no such honorific - not by far - jsut a simple monger out to maximize whatever little good times I have - that's all. But nonetheless - many thanks!
On bars in Chang Ping - well..... as you've stated and already know, regular "normal" bars really do not exist - and just about the only one I know is probably the one in the Lobby of the Miraton Hotel - not exactly a swinging place!!
The only other ones are like what I've previously posted on - the Lotus bars modelled after the umbrella bars of Macau's LianHuaLu (lotus!!) - and this is situated on Swan Lake Road, a half block away/ on the same side of the Clipper. The owner there is ex HongKOng, SFO, VCR and of course English speaking; the gals "serving' drinks are as energetic and marketing oriented as the gals of LHL SH, and led by "Sandy" one of the partners' wife and quite a classy, attractive mid-20"s gal who is also quite conversant in English.
Beers are RMB10 per bottle whilst it is only RMB3 for a Large bottle of beer if you sat/bought it from the food stalls surrounding these umbrella bars. BTW - the oysters at these food stalls are only RMB30 for 18 huge pieces - altho mind you, I would NOT recommend you eating too much of this. I did and I had a sort of queezy tummy for a couple days!
CP is just not a good place to do "normal" bars - and you'd end up like Tightway if you expect to be able to hook-up with "normal gals" at "normal" Bars in CP ..... with WG's!!
Xinde Disco - at the end of Swan Lake Road, diagonally opposite from Jia Yi is a sort of "pick-up" place in CP - but again here, its mostly off-duty WG's just having their own good time - including getting all drugged up. The club itself also got KTV gals/line-ups but they're pretty crap, plus the charges there is nutso.
My best tip for you - hook up with Santa - he Loooooves his beer - but only late at night - and he also looooooove all his BBS gals - and remember - they're ALL his gals!!
SEAJ
On bars in Chang Ping - well..... as you've stated and already know, regular "normal" bars really do not exist - and just about the only one I know is probably the one in the Lobby of the Miraton Hotel - not exactly a swinging place!!
That's quite the understatement. That place is deader than a doornail.
Beers are RMB10 per bottle whilst it is only RMB3 for a Large bottle of beer if you sat/bought it from the food stalls surrounding these umbrella bars.
Eeeer... It's 6 rmb for a big bottle at the food stalls, not 3 rmb. It's cheap, but not that cheap.
BTW - the oysters at these food stalls are only RMB30 for 18 huge pieces - altho mind you, I would NOT recommend you eating too much of this. I did and I had a sort of queezy tummy for a couple days!
But then, you eat all kinds of crappy streetfood. Queasy tummy could have been due to just about anything else you ate.
My best tip for you - hook up with Santa - he Loooooves his beer - but only late at night - and he also looooooove all his BBS gals - and remember - they're ALL his gals!!
SEAJ
Yes, they are all Santa's girls. We are just "borrowing" them for a fuck or two. After that they can go back to their bigamist hubby Santa.
SE Asia Joe
03-02-09, 04:30
Eeeer... It's 6 rmb for a big bottle at the food stalls, not 3 rmb. It's cheap, but not that cheap.
Hrmmph.... much YOU know!! Santa and I enjoyed our Large bottle of RMB3 beer just last Thursday evening. It even had RMB3 on the label of the beer bottle!! So THERE!!
BTW - it RMB 5 at your favorite street stall on the opposite of the street. Yup - we also had beer there!
But then you eat all kinds of crappy streetfood. Queasy tummy could have been due to just about anything else you ate.
Yes, they are all Santa's girls. We are just "borrowing" them for a fuck or two. After that they can go back to their bigamist hubby Santa.
BESIDE everyting else we partake of there!!
SEAJ
Ps. the markets are again crapping out - and thus I'm back to posting these drivels. when oh when are the markets gonna start acting better?? Perhaps I shud aks Giotto!
SE Asia Joe
03-03-09, 05:48
Methinks ..... that I've been posting too much!!!
Plain ole Boredom and Frustration at how the markets been actin' - the devil makes work of idle hands!
Besides that I've been noticing that some of my reports has tended towards what an ISG senior described as had transpired, before a prominent lawyer got disbarred for 3 months in his home town:
Judge: It is the judgement of the court that the defendant be sentenced to 10 years in the federal penitentiary facilities.....blah blah...
Lawyer: Your Honor, with all due respect to the courts and your fine record of judical impartiality.... but you are so full of shit why dontcha go and fxxc yourself?!
Apologies to one and all if I've offended you in my previous efforts to provide a bit of information and light reading.
SEAJ
Pointpanic
03-03-09, 11:54
Joe without you, Wadman, Santa, CPExpat and OAH filling these pages I'd have no way of keeping up with what's happening in CP since Bill left. So you've got to keep the rest of us informed on a daily basis till we return. Hope to get out there before Santa leaves. Aiming for a few days April 12-16. Still got to figure out the Shenzhen Bao'an private cab ride to Hui Hua deal with out getting totally ripped off, so far so good. Hope to see you guysthen.
Methinks ..... that I've been posting too much!!!
SEAJ
Does anyone know where I can find a BBS Somewhere near the Sheraton in Houjie. Went to many saunas there the service is good but would like to try a BBS.
Thanks
Cp seems to have a whole less people walking on the streets these days. Stores are closing in many parts of CP. Even the old kaiyingge western restaurant, which later turned into a shoe store is closing down now with a massive liquidation sale. Less people on the train up to CP and even going into HK altogether.
The BBS don't seem to be as well stocked as before. Baby's store is either really dead or so busy that every day I come at 3-4 pm all the girls are picked. Most of the time the room's got only 10 girls or so.
One of the sister just came back to work at the second store convenient store after having a kid back home. So the quality there is picking up again.
One area that was most surprised at was the night markets. When I went on a Thursday night, there must have been at least 80 girls there. A lot of good looking ones as well actually. I must warn everyone that this place is not a good place to be at alone late at night. When I went there with a few buddies, there were two vans, with about 8 people who came out, who looked like thugs, started to mess up one of the stores and bullying a mamasan there. Basically, the day time BBS are protected better protected because they are owned by big owners, swan lake/penn owner, silverstar KTV etc. But these night markets are not that well protected and connected, so they get a lot of crap from thugs.
The other night, a thug picked out a girl, had fun with her and then sent her back. About a few minutes later, that guy came back with 5 other guys, and told the mamasan that the girl he just picked took 3000 RMB from him. When the girl denied that ever happened, these thugs started trashing the convenient store shelves and food items. The mamasan, agreed to pay back the 3000 RMB, not wanting the store to be completely trashed, but the guy wasn't happy. He wanted the girl to pay 2000 RMB also because he thought she was the thief and needed to be taught a lesson. So the girl didn't want any trouble and paid another 2000 RMB. She didn't have enough money so the other girls lent her a few hundred here and there. I felt bad for these girls, they work so damn hard for their money and in the end it just gets stolen. So be careful of this night market, try to go with other guys if you can. Most of the girls there were actually just working there for transition work. Usually they went home for Chinese new year, just came back and don't have much money, so they work here for a few days and then they bounce to other BBS or KTV places. So the girls here don't stay very long. In a period of one week, 50% of the girls changed and never came back.
Economy's not good, so be careful in CP. Take caution and monger safely.
AsnDragon
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I'm in Shenzhen and receive several texts from Joe asking me to go on a chicken run with him in CP.
I write, "not sure, I have things to do, will be too late, blah blah blah..."
Joe writes, "don't let me down, meet at station, hurry, don't be late, blah blah blah..."
Well, how can I let a good friend down? So I pack and hurry to the station and we go to CP. We check in to our rooms. Joe gets a little irritated with me because I'm indecisive about which room to take. Joes says, "Santa, will you please hurry and make up your mind, I want to do the chicken run."
Ok, I put my bag in my room and tell Joe I'll meet him in the lobby, "I need to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) first."
I go down in the elevator to the lobby and when the elevator door opens in steps Joe with a tall and sexy gal. You guys know the type, cute face, long sexy legs that go all the way up to a very tight little arse.
I say, "Joe, where did you find her?"
Joe says, "in the lobby."
I say, "are you taking her to your room."
He says, "of course!"
I then whine and complain, "but Joe, what about our chickenrun together?"
Joe says, "come on Santa, don't be so damn stupid, do you think I would turn down a girl like this to go on a chickenrun with you!"
OldAsiaHand
03-07-09, 06:19
does anyone know where i can find a bbs somewhere near the sheraton in houjie. went to many saunas there the service is good but would like to try a bbs.
thanks
dannycat,
there are some bbs rep001tered around the area directly across the street from the sheraton behind the buildings on the main road.
there used to be some bbs down near the ferry terminal, but they were shut when i was by there last year. they may be open again.
oah
Transporter
03-07-09, 08:53
Just paid for my tickets for next weeks trip back to CP. I haven't been on here in months, so I read a few pages, glad to know that the same people are still there (I think).
See ya all soon
Any kind bro can provide contact details to book the KTV room at Peninsula and Crown Prince hotel?
Heard that they are highly recommended in Dongguan and better than Tao Yuan KTV (Jia Yi hotel) and Hui Hua.
Also, how far away are both from the Hui Hua hotel as I am planning to stay there.
Thanks!
Any kind bro can provide contact details to book the KTV room at Peninsula and Crown Prince hotel?
Heard that they are highly recommended in Dongguan and better than Tao Yuan KTV (Jia Yi hotel) and Hui Hua.
Also, how far away are both from the Hui Hua hotel as I am planning to stay there.
Thanks!
Crown Prince is in nearby HuangJiang town, about 15 minutes from HuiHua hotel by cab.
Peninsula is about 5-10 minutes away by cab from HuiHua.
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Fast Eddie 48
03-07-09, 21:23
dannycat,
there are some bbs rep001tered around the area directly across the street from the sheraton behind the buildings on the main road.
there used to be some bbs down near the ferry terminal, but they were shut when i was by there last year. they may be open again.
oahoah,
danny is talking about houjie, not humen.
there is no ferry terminal in houjie, and most of the bbs there is closed down 3 yr ago.
only a few near the main bus station.
i saw last yr but quality sucks .
fast eddie 48
One evening Asia Joe says "let's go have some fun!"
Santa: What kind of fun?
Joe: Well, I don't know, lets go have a facial.
Santa: Like, where you get a girl to sit on your face?
Joe: No, you idiot, haven't you ever had a facial before? They wash your hair and remove the dirt and dead skin from your face.
Santa: That's fun?
Joe: Yeah, haven't you ever had it before? Let's go!
So we go to this hair salon, go upstairs and lay on these flat beds and hang our heads over the end. In walks two girls wearing surgical masks. They start by washing our hair and face. My gal scratches the shit out of my scalp with her very sharp finger nails. She tells me to close my eyes and covers my face with a white sticky cement which slowly hardens. She goes back to scratching my scalp, but this time adds some kind of hot sauce that slowly turns warm and then hot, with a tingling sensation.
Santa: Hey Joe, what the fuck is this shit she is rubbing on my head?
Joe: That's ginger!
Santa: Ginger? Damn, my fucking head is on fire!
Joe: Santa, can't you just shut the fuck the up and relax. Why are you always fucking complaining. Just relax and enjoy it.
After about an hour of this hotsauce and plaster she finally picks this crap off my face and washes my head with cool water.
Santa: Now my ear is blocked and I have a goddam pain in my neck.
Joe: Well, why didn't you use the adjustable headrest the way I did?
Santa: Headrest? I didn't know there was an adjustable headrest.
Joe: Of course there's fucking headrest! Santa, why are you such a fucking idiot!
OAH,
Danny is talking about Houjie, not Humen.
There is no Ferry terminal in Houjie, and most of the BBS there is closed down 3 yr ago.
Only a few near the main bus station.
I saw last yr but quality sucks .
Fast eddie 48Thanks fast Eddie.
I have a car, How far is CP from Houjie I might have to take a trip there if you think its safe to park. Hear a lot on here about security there so I am a little concerned.
So try sharing and remember sharing is one of the golden rules we all learned in kindergarten! Just remember no to share soiled towels and to order new ones from house keeping!
Keep safe out there.
BJXB
There is another way.
Many years ago I took two newbie friends of mine on a tour to Singapore for shopping and then to Bangkok and Pattaya. Another one joined us at Bangkok.
One day we were sunbathing at Jomtien beach Pattaya and I finally picked up a very nice gal for an afternoon round.
We were all staying at the same hotel, same floor but different rooms.
When I finished with her I told her that one of my friends liked her a lot and he would like to have some time with her. She hesitated for a while but finally agreed. so I took her to my friend’s room and told him to do the same after he finishes with her and I went back for a siesta.
About two hours later she came knocking on my door totally exhausted and asked me if she could have a shower and some sleep. She also told me that there is no way she could have four guys in a row again. I told her that it would be more faun to do it again all together next day but she wouldn't listen.
My only problem was that, although we didn’t share towels, she used my tooth brush so I went looking for a new one. No big deal.
Good memories.
Hi all,
Will be heading up to Dong Cheng in Dongguan soon for a weekend. Looking to hit some of the KTV's around in the city. I've searched the thread and the focus is primarily on CP.
Was wondering if anyone has any ideas on the KTV's around Dong Cheng. Would appreciate any help on some directions..promise i'l be back with some reports..
3way
Fast Eddie 48
03-11-09, 05:56
Hi all,
Will be heading up to Dong Cheng in Dongguan soon for a weekend. Looking to hit some of the KTV's around in the city. I've searched the thread and the focus is primarily on CP.
Was wondering if anyone has any ideas on the KTV's around Dong Cheng. Would appreciate any help on some directions..promise i'l be back with some reports..
3way3 way,
There been many post on Dong cheng international hotel at Dongguan city in this theard, you need to RTFF, I post 3 report on this hotel myself do a search. You should book a room here nice 4 star hotel got everything you need.
Fast eddie 48
I was catching a train from Dongguan to Shenzhen, and a guy came to me asking if I wanted an iphone 3G. I stopped to take a look to see if it was a real iphone or not. BAD IDEA. This guy followed me from Dongguan station all the way to Shenzhen Station, trying to peddle his iphone which he stole from some malaysian guy. He was so desperate that he started his price point at 1300 RMB and even asked for as low as 500 RMB.
I ignored him because of three reasons:
1. I don't support any thieves in undermarket goods 2. There a lot of these types of schemes going on, they sell you the iphone, follow you and then they surround you minutes later with a bunch of guys, who claim that you stole their iphone from them and in turn get robbed by them.
Lots of this type of activities that I've run into in Dongguan recently.
AsnDragon
Just a short "pay back" for the good infos I got fm you guys here:
Had to cut short my visit to CP-Miraton. 2 nights only. Took a train fm GZ. Excellent in 1st class, 40 min and 60 RMB only. Beats any car or bus.Taxis from train stations are all crooks: 20 RMB for the short trip. Check in at the hotel: they fucked up my reservation: only rooms with 2 beds availale on biz floor. Changed to regular floor - single big bed..was at the end not a problem. 338 RMB.
4:00 afternoon, walked out from the hotel, turned left, 200 m big junction, crossed that little park and walked into that lane behind the Yang (?) hotel: already at the first BBS mamsan pulled me into the back room. Selected a young lass, ST for 150 RMB, gave her my room number to deliver. 30 min later a knock at the door and there she was. Overall the best performer of all I had those days...
Later evening went back to that ally again for a LT girl. for 400RMB...nothing special to report.
Next day same stories: 2 ST at daytime, both for 200, and a LT from the night market for 300 RMB - she was scared like shit: "gweihloh put 2 condom" I could have better fucked my blow up plastic doll ....
All of them did their job - BBJ, cat bath, fucking in 1, perhaps 2 positions with a lot of moaning...
Yes, some of them are real stunners as long as they are dressed. Off the clothes either they have tiny tits hidden behind push-up bras or a too soft white fleshy skin around the legs or stomach. Moaning they do all like a porno star. Artificial. But many of them restrict in touching here and there, no kissing at all, once its over, all the excitement stops, they getting dressed with a cool expression on their face, finally haggling for a tip and out they are. No naughty picture session allowed, no kiss-good-bye, no sweet chat - strictly business.
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Will I go back? Hmmm.... if I am there on biz, yes. But as a separate monger trip? NO!
SE Asia Joe
03-12-09, 09:43
One evening Asia Joe says "let's go have some fun!"
Santa: What kind of fun?
Joe: Well, I don't know, lets go have a facial..........
Joe: Of course there's fucking headrest! Santa, why are you such a fucking idiot!
..........I then whine and complain, "but Joe, what about our chickenrun together?"
Joe says, "come on Santa, don't be so damn stupid, do you think I would turn down a girl like this to go on a chickenrun with you!"
Errr .... what do you want me to say??
Remember... This is the transformed, newer, gentler Joe here!
Do you REALLY want me to say again about somebody bein' a f......n' idiot??
SEAJ
BigEightEight
03-12-09, 16:41
I was catching a train from Dongguan to Shenzhen, and a guy came to me asking if I wanted an iphone 3G. I stopped to take a look to see if it was a real iphone or not. BAD IDEA. This guy followed me from Dongguan station all the way to Shenzhen Station, trying to peddle his iphone which he stole from some malaysian guy. He was so desperate that he started his price point at 1300 RMB and even asked for as low as 500 RMB.
I ignored him because of three reasons:
1. I don't support any thieves in undermarket goods 2. There a lot of these types of schemes going on, they sell you the iphone, follow you and then they surround you minutes later with a bunch of guys, who claim that you stole their iphone from them and in turn get robbed by them.
Lots of this type of activities that I've run into in Dongguan recently.
AsnDragonWhat really happens is that they will swap a fake non working one for the real one that you try earlier. So be very careful as it happened to a friend. Or while you are looking at the phone someone will bump you from behind and steal your wallet or mobile phone.
What really happens is that they will swap a fake non working one for the real one that you try earlier. So be very careful as it happened to a friend. Or while you are looking at the phone someone will bump you from behind and steal your wallet or mobile phone.Best is you just ignore everything and never response to anything...walk fast and away from any incident or anyone that approach you! Believe me, you are asking for trouble if you show just a tiny bit of interest towards them.
For all of you that have been patrons of Jiayi (Taoyuen) KTV, there's good news around the corner. In the next month or two, Mayflower KTV will be open, with twice as many KTV rooms to accommodate all us ISGers, and the best yet is they will try to have even more girls in the line up room for us to choose from than Jiayi. Reason being. Mayflower is the same owner as Jiayi. They converted an old factory into a KTV heaven with singing rooms and also guest rooms. It's right next to Xingdi if anybody has a big question mark as to where the location of mayflower is going to be at. If you drive by you will be able to see that it's structure and inside is basically almost finished and done, just waiting to get approval to open.
From a reliable source, a good friend who works inside of Jiayi as a supervisor told me that they plan to take away all the KTV girls from other establishments in CP, such as Hui Hua, Hui Mei, Miraton, Manhattan, Penn etc. And bring them all over to Mayflower to work. To achieve it, the owner has a blitz strategy in recruiting all the mommies of all the other KTVs, by paying them double the salary to come over to Mayflower to work; as a result these mommies will bring along all their girls and contacts over to mayflower. There's been a lot of resentment that many other hotel owners are working closely to try to delay the opening of Mayflower as a result. That's why Mayflower has delayed their opening recently. Versaille had been a victim of Jiayi's success and hostile take over of their business, for all of you veterans of CP who know or have been to Versaille.
So good times are just around the corner boys. Saddle up and get ready.
AsnDragon
One evening Asia Joe says "let's go have some fun!"
Santa: What kind of fun?
Joe: Well, I don't know, lets go have a facial.
Santa: Like, where you get a girl to sit on your face?
Joe: No, you idiot, haven't you ever had a facial before? They wash your hair and remove the dirt and dead skin from your face.
Santa: That's fun?
Joe: Yeah, haven't you ever had it before? Let's go!
So we go to this hair salon, go upstairs and lay on these flat beds and hang our heads over the end. In walks two girls wearing surgical masks. They start by washing our hair and face. My gal scratches the shit out of my scalp with her very sharp finger nails. She tells me to close my eyes and covers my face with a white sticky cement which slowly hardens. She goes back to scratching my scalp, but this time adds some kind of hot sauce that slowly turns warm and then hot, with a tingling sensation.
Santa: Hey Joe, what the fuck is this shit she is rubbing on my head?
Joe: That's ginger!
Santa: Ginger? Damn, my fucking head is on fire!
Joe: Santa, can't you just shut the fuck the up and relax. Why are you always fucking complaining. Just relax and enjoy it.
After about an hour of this hotsauce and plaster she finally picks this crap off my face and washes my head with cool water.
Santa: Now my ear is blocked and I have a goddam pain in my neck.
Joe: Well, why didn't you use the adjustable headrest the way I did?
Santa: Headrest? I didn't know there was an adjustable headrest.
Joe: Of course there's fucking headrest! Santa, why are you such a fucking idiot!Somebody Else:
This sounds almost like somebody else. Someone told this person I was going to be in Shenzhen for a while and someone gave my cell number to him. He called asking me to join him at Futian Walmart BBS and some mongering around Shenzhen two days later. I said fine. He was planning to stay nearby Vienna Hotel. It’s the same hotel where I usually stay. Two days later about 6pm, I called him about his ETA. The first thing he said was, "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WHAT"? I said, "What about Walmart BBS"? He said, " I’m going some place else with my Hong Kong friends, A KTV" I said, "You should have called since you are changing the plan".
AsnDragon,
Not that I doubt your sources, but there has been many false alarms about MayFlower's grand opening. Originally, it was supposed to open way back in December!
As for MayFlower stealing the girls from the other KTVs, it's obvious their girls have to come from somewhere, and my guess is most of them will not be new girls. So yes, they will be stealing them from other places. I can't see the other KTVs taking it lying down though. It will be interesting to see what happens.
The construction of MayFlower was started before the economic downturn. When CP was still growing strong, as was the rest of China. It was sensible and feasible to add a mega-KTV like MayFlower back then. But as things stand now, there isn't enough money to support MayFlower and all the other KTVs. So if MayFlower really opens in all its glory, it will be war.
For all of you that have been patrons of Jiayi (Taoyuen) KTV, there's good news around the corner. In the next month or two, Mayflower KTV will be open, with twice as many KTV rooms to accommodate all us ISGers, and the best yet is they will try to have even more girls in the line up room for us to choose from than Jiayi. Reason being. Mayflower is the same owner as Jiayi. They converted an old factory into a KTV heaven with singing rooms and also guest rooms. It's right next to Xingdi if anybody has a big question mark as to where the location of mayflower is going to be at. If you drive by you will be able to see that it's structure and inside is basically almost finished and done, just waiting to get approval to open.
From a reliable source, a good friend who works inside of Jiayi as a supervisor told me that they plan to take away all the KTV girls from other establishments in CP, such as Hui Hua, Hui Mei, Miraton, Manhattan, Penn etc. And bring them all over to Mayflower to work. To achieve it, the owner has a blitz strategy in recruiting all the mommies of all the other KTVs, by paying them double the salary to come over to Mayflower to work; as a result these mommies will bring along all their girls and contacts over to mayflower. There's been a lot of resentment that many other hotel owners are working closely to try to delay the opening of Mayflower as a result. That's why Mayflower has delayed their opening recently. Versaille had been a victim of Jiayi's success and hostile take over of their business, for all of you veterans of CP who know or have been to Versaille.
So good times are just around the corner boys. Saddle up and get ready.
AsnDragon
Fast Eddie 48
03-14-09, 06:37
Somebody Else:
This sounds almost like somebody else. Someone told this person I was going to be in Shenzhen for a while and someone gave my cell number to him. He called asking me to join him at Futian Walmart BBS and some mongering around Shenzhen two days later. I said fine. He was planning to stay nearby Vienna Hotel. It’s the same hotel where I usually stay. Two days later about 6pm, I called him about his ETA. The first thing he said was, "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WHAT"? I said, "What about Walmart BBS"? He said, " I’m going some place else with my Hong Kong friends, A KTV" I said, "You should have called since you are changing the plan".Weelock,
Where the hell you been?
It's been almost a month ago when I was in China and you post this now?
I contacted you in CP to let you know I was going to be in Shenzhen the next day and you told me you got a freebie lineup, so that is why I didn't call you, so you can chase your pipe dream.
You call me and told me you are at Seibu bbs and no action, but I already got plan to go to ktv with my Hk buddy, so what the hell happen to your freebie.
Fast eddie 48
Hey Guys,
I am going to CP tomorrow. I gather I probably don't need to reserve hotel ahead of time on a Sunday, but if any bro has Clipper's number, would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks!
DV
Wadman,
Well, granted that there is a big economic downturn around the world, CP still appears to remain pretty strong though. I went to Jiayi a few weeks back. I went right at 5:30 for the the lineup, and it was completely packed with sausages. There were more guys picking up girls than last year around April of 08. All rooms were booked on Friday, sat and sun. I had to book 2 weeks in advance for a Saturday medium room at Jiayi.
Even going to the BBS rooms in CP, all the girls are cleaned out before 4:30 pm. I walk into rooms with only 3-4 girls. I'm wondering to myself, is it that girls have not all come back to CP yet? Or has there been an increase in demand recently that there's not enough girls to supply all the mongers' demand. So I think there still is a big need for a Mega KTV establishment like mayflower, and my guess is once it opens it will do quite well actually.
One thing that is a bit troubling is that CP has become a lot more well known over the last 6 years. Ever since Zhangmoutou's huge crackdown back in 2002, lots of mongering activities, including second wives have all moved to CP as a result, flooding CP with loads of entertainment developments. I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing. But I'm just afraid that as CP becomes too well known, and visited by too many foreigners, it's notoriety as the mongering destination of China will draw unwanted attention from Beijing and that could result in a crackdown. Kind of like Shatsui in Shenzhen.
I read somewhere that CP is ranked in all of China as number three, in terms of the most stars of hotel. Signifying that CP has so many hotels that only Beijing and Shanghai surpasses CP in the number of hotels. That is very amazing considering that CP is only a town, not even a city. It's scary how much CP has invested in the Mongering business, and my guess is that it'll continue to grow with time.
Already I see a lot more group mongering tours coming in from Taiwan, Singapore etc. Eventually CP will grow, the demand will increase, because with the economy going downwards, girls working in this industry is the easiest way to earn money and with more supply, it becomes even more desireable for mongers to come.
I agree with you though, I cannot wait until mayflower opens, I think there will be a lot of wars going on between these hotel owners, which will be good for all of us. Meaning more competition and better service for all of us.
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
Not that I doubt your sources, but there has been many false alarms about MayFlower's grand opening. Originally, it was supposed to open way back in December!
As for MayFlower stealing the girls from the other KTVs, it's obvious their girls have to come from somewhere, and my guess is most of them will not be new girls. So yes, they will be stealing them from other places. I can't see the other KTVs taking it lying down though. It will be interesting to see what happens.
The construction of MayFlower was started before the economic downturn. When CP was still growing strong, as was the rest of China. It was sensible and feasible to add a mega-KTV like MayFlower back then. But as things stand now, there isn't enough money to support MayFlower and all the other KTVs. So if MayFlower really opens in all its glory, it will be war.
From a reliable source, a good friend who works inside of Jiayi as a supervisor told me that they plan to take away all the KTV girls from other establishments in CP, such as Hui Hua, Hui Mei, Miraton, Manhattan, Penn etc. And bring them all over to Mayflower to work. To achieve it, the owner has a blitz strategy in recruiting all the mommies of all the other KTVs, by paying them double the salary to come over to Mayflower to work; as a result these mommies will bring along all their girls and contacts over to mayflower. There's been a lot of resentment that many other hotel owners are working closely to try to delay the opening of Mayflower as a result. That's why Mayflower has delayed their opening recently. Versaille had been a victim of Jiayi's success and hostile take over of their business, for all of you veterans of CP who know or have been to Versaille.
So good times are just around the corner boys. Saddle up and get ready.
AsnDragon
This sounds exactly like the opposite of good times for the CP KTV patron. Monopolizing the CP KTV business would only lead to shitty service, worse girl attitude, and higher prices. I hope this fails miserably, and the KTV owners succeed by being more competitive and offering us a better quality experiences at reasonable prices.
Consider the biggest and baddest KTV's in CP, Taoyuan is actually one of the suckiest in town. The current line-up is all quantity over quality, the probability of getting a clunker of a girl is higher than anywhere else, and here you have to go to Prince to find a place the nickels and dimes you more than here.
Support those places that put quality in their line-ups, run tight ships, are proactive about making sure you have a good time, and reward your buisiness with fair billing and prices.
SE Asia Joe
03-14-09, 19:37
Hey Guys,
I am going to CP tomorrow. I gather I probably don't need to reserve hotel ahead of time on a Sunday, but if any bro has Clipper's number, would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks!
DV
0769-8189-9888
SEAJ
0769-8189888
SEAJThanks! hope to run into you at some point.
DV
Well, granted that there is a big economic downturn around the world, CP still appears to remain pretty strong though. I went to Jiayi a few weeks back. I went right at 5:30 for the the lineup, and it was completely packed with sausages. There were more guys picking up girls than last year around April of 08.
JiaYi is evolving in terms of when people show up. It used to be that guys showed up around 6:30 to beat the 7 o'clock crowd. Then the 7 o'clock crowd got smart, and started coming in at 6:30. Which means you have to be there at 6 to be beat them. I have been there as early as 5:45, which is when the first girls start walking into the big hall.
And then there are those guys who size up the girls at the KTV entrance. Yes, before the girls even have had a chance to enter the KTV itself and get changed.
All rooms were booked on Friday, sat and sun. I had to book 2 weeks in advance for a Saturday medium room at Jiayi.
I would say, overall, business is down signifantly in CP. Weekends are almost back to normal capacity (before Chinese new year, before economic downturn). Weekdays are really quiet compared to before.
It used to be that, on weekends, if you didn't have a booking by 3-4 pm, you could forget about getting a room in the major KTVs. Unless you're a big spender, in which case somehow, someone will find a room for you. These days on weekends, you may not get a room in the KTV of your choice, but you can probably book a room somewhere.
Even going to the BBS rooms in CP, all the girls are cleaned out before 4:30 pm. I walk into rooms with only 3-4 girls. I'm wondering to myself, is it that girls have not all come back to CP yet? Or has there been an increase in demand recently that there's not enough girls to supply all the mongers' demand.
Part of it is/was because of Chinese new year. The other reason is because fewer guys => fewer girls. Talk to some of the BBS mommies, and they will tell you that business is down.
So I think there still is a big need for a Mega KTV establishment like mayflower, and my guess is once it opens it will do quite well actually.
I agree with you here. Mayflower's capacity seems be 1800 girls in total, of which 1000+ will be displayed at once in their flower street. Even if they manage to get only half those numbers, it's still huge. Guys will go for the novelty factor alone. So business will be good for them for a few months at least, maybe longer if things are managed properly.
The problem is what happens to all the other KTVs in CP. In my opinion, there isn't enough business to go around for everybody if Mayflower opens up at full capacity. And there won't be for a while.
I read somewhere that CP is ranked in all of China as number three, in terms of the most stars of hotel. Signifying that CP has so many hotels that only Beijing and Shanghai surpasses CP in the number of hotels. That is very amazing considering that CP is only a town, not even a city. It's scary how much CP has invested in the Mongering business, and my guess is that it'll continue to grow with time.
Hmmmm... it's a bit difficult to believe that CP has more hotel stars than Shenzhen, say. Shenzhen being so much bigger, and it's not like Shenzhen doesn't have hotels all over the place too. But yeah, CP does have a stupidly amount of mid-to-high end hotels for a town its size.
Already I see a lot more group mongering tours coming in from Taiwan, Singapore etc. Eventually CP will grow, the demand will increase, because with the economy going downwards, girls working in this industry is the easiest way to earn money and with more supply, it becomes even more desireable for mongers to come.
Euuhh...
1. If the girls cannot make a decent amount, some of them will go home. There will be fewer new ones coming in. Girls don't enjoy being XiaoJie's (hookers), it's just that they can't refuse the fabulous amounts of money (relatively speaking) they can earn.
2. The big shots that control the town won't allow the girls/guys ratio to get way out of whack where it becomes a complete buyer's market. The ratio may go up a bit, even a fair bit. But not way up there, e.g. 3 times what it used to be.
Yes, CP will grow if the demand grows. But I just see that happening until the economy picks up.
The other way for demand to increase is if prices go down. But that hasn't really happened. A few hotels have lowered their prices a bit (around 30 rmb or so). Some cheap KTVs no longer have a room minimum (usually weekdays only). But that's about it. Not enough to make a difference.
BTW: Regular rooms at Peninsula hotel are now 238 rmb. Computer rooms are 268 rmb. 1 breakfast. No surcharge on weekends. This is about 30 rmb cheaper than before, I believe.
Those are my theories anyway.
I agree with you though, I cannot wait until mayflower opens, I think there will be a lot of wars going on between these hotel owners, which will be good for all of us. Meaning more competition and better service for all of us.
Maybe, maybe not. China logic, unfortunately, is not always logical. More/extreme competition => good for the customer. You would think. It may not work out that way. I don't have the answer as to what it will be either, just that there is Western logic and then there is China logic.
Mongerxx,
I do agree with you that if they do monopolize the whole KTV market that it's not going to be a good thing. But with all honesty, I think other KTV's will look for other outlets or methods to attract more customers to their KTV's. Let's face it, most hotels earn a significant amount of money from their Sauna and their KTVs. So KTV's in major hotels or other establishments are not going to go away, eventually I'm sure they will still find more girls to come work at their establishment. Some may try to go towards higher end, some perhaps will go towards having better quality girls, who knows. .
But for example, changan has naked KTV, where girls come and strip naked in the rooms for you or with you. This type of attraction could be a different market approach. Not saying this will happen in CP, but just saying there are different routes for different establishments to follow.
You are right though, taoyuen has a pretty large quantity but not so great quality. So I'm sure Miraton or other big players could go for higher end better looking taller girl line ups. If you've been to Royal Garden in DaLang, you will see that they are super high end. Rooms are 1000 plus and they hve super tall 170cm model type of girls for you to choose from that start at 500 RMB for sitting fee alone. Even Dongtai has their market in attracting people who like to do drugs in the KTV rooms. They still survive there. I think all CP hotel KTVs can coexist together, so long as they approach the market, targeting different niches and differentiate themselves from the group.
Taoyuen could have quantity, but other can have quality.
AsnDragon
This sounds exactly like the opposite of good times for the CP KTV patron. Monopolizing the CP KTV business would only lead to shitty service, worse girl attitude, and higher prices. I hope this fails miserably, and the KTV owners succeed by being more competitive and offering us a better quality experiences at reasonable prices.
Consider the biggest and baddest KTV's in CP, Taoyuan is actually one of the suckiest in town. The current line-up is all quantity over quality, the probability of getting a clunker of a girl is higher than anywhere else, and here you have to go to Prince to find a place the nickels and dimes you more than here.
Support those places that put quality in their line-ups, run tight ships, are proactive about making sure you have a good time, and reward your buisiness with fair billing and prices.
Consider the biggest and baddest KTV's in CP, Taoyuan is actually one of the suckiest in town. The current line-up is all quantity over quality, the probability of getting a clunker of a girl is higher than anywhere else, and here you have to go to Prince to find a place the nickels and dimes you more than here.
Agreed. JiaYi/TaoYuan is actually quite substandard in many ways. The only thing they have going for them is the mega-lineup. For newbies, it's a must see.
Quality, on average, isn't very good. But with that many girls, you are bound to find a few that are stunners in your eyes.
Girl attitudes is often lacking.
TaoYuan does have buy one get one free, if you order beer. But then they have that stupid 1 ladydrink per girl requirement. Is that still going on? Have they dropped that?
Wadman,
You are a senior member and a veteran of CP, so I respect a lot of your viewpoints. Firstly, all mommies keep telling you a lot of bullsh*t about how business is bad and things are not as good as before and there's a lack of customers. But when I go into the BBS and there's no girls to choose from on a Tuesday afternoon at 3 pm, when they had like 25 girls the day before on Monday, then I don't think things are as bad as they seem. EXCEPT for Xue-er. She never manages to sell off her group of girls for some reason while all the other mommies are able to. So some mommies just ***** and complain to you to sort of to get you to help them out. They use all types of psychological techniques, including Xue-er who was so damn desperate to sell off her girls that she resorted to telling me about how her husband is leaving her and showed me a text message about how he wants her to get out of his life but she's not allowed to take their baby daughter away.
I also agree with you, China logic is very twisted and at many times is not logical. So I suppose China-logic can be interpreted to be an oxymoron in itself. But I do believe that China is fairly resilient in terms of their survival in the market. When there was a crackdown on mommies getting customers around the huimei area, they resorted to putting them in minivans for you to choose. When That was cracked down on, they resorted to bringing the girls to your room for you to choose. They evolve and come up with these interesting ways to survive. So I would not be surprised if some of the bigger KTV's put forth other techniques to attract customers. Miraton hotel rates have not changed that much and they are still fully booked on many weekends like before, even with this economic downturn. I think Penn had to lower it because it's location is not very good. It is unclear what market segment they are targeting at times. IMHO I think Clipper hotel rooms are nicer than Penn, but Penn is suppose to be a fairly high scale 4 star hotel. Honestly Penn is just a bit too far from everything. But I do agree with you this economic downturn has brought down things a bit in CP.
I think in the end it still comes down to the Hong Kong Mongers. Without them, CP will collapse. They still represent the core base of CP's main business. Whether it be in hotels or KTV's BBS etc. HK guy's location being so close to CP makes them the core clientele simply because of the frequency they come to monger. If HK's economy is bad then CP eventually will start to fade as well. I mean the taiwanese, laowai, singaporean etc. Don't matter that much, because their frequency is simply not enough to make much of a major difference.
That's why all the KTV and BBS actually like Hk guys more, because there's a chance that they will come back every weekend. Even foot massage girls are part of this group as well. Hoping that if a customer from HK likes them they will have set amount of hours to meet their quotas every month.
CP has so many damn hotels, small, big, medium. All types. I am not surprised that it's ranked number 3 as the most amount of stars of hotel in China. Just these 2 months they just built a peace hotel right behind rainbow department store, and they are building a huge Haixia Hotel right near the train station like 16 floors, and then another big one called international asia hotel behind the haixia hotel is being built. It's the one with a hole in the middle of the building. It looks like the Royal Garden Hotel. There are also a few big ones in small alleys many mongers don't even know of. Pass the Smelly stinky big river, there's another 3-4 big hotels that are huge that I've only noticed on my last trip. And I've been frequenting CP for more than 6 years. I mean it's makes sense, you got manhattan, clipper that just came up these 6-7 months. There is just too many hotels in CP and they only way to absorb all of that supply is to increase the girls and increase the mongers.
Restaurants, foot massage places, stores, hotels all depend on mongering activities either indirectly or directly to survive. If the mongering levels do decline, then this whole town will be in deep crap. Let's all hope that doesn't happen.
AsnDragon
JiaYi is evolving in terms of when people show up. It used to be that guys showed up around 6:30 to beat the 7 o'clock crowd. Then the 7 o'clock crowd got smart, and started coming in at 6:30. Which means you have to be there at 6 to be beat them. I have been there as early as 5:45, which is when the first girls start walking into the big hall.
And then there are those guys who size up the girls at the KTV entrance. Yes, before the girls even have had a chance to enter the KTV itself and get changed.
I would say, overall, business is down signifantly in CP. Weekends are almost back to normal capacity (before Chinese new year, before economic downturn). Weekdays are really quiet compared to before.
It used to be that, on weekends, if you didn't have a booking by 3-4 pm, you could forget about getting a room in the major KTVs. Unless you're a big spender, in which case somehow, someone will find a room for you. These days on weekends, you may not get a room in the KTV of your choice, but you can probably book a room somewhere.
Part of it is/was because of Chinese new year. The other reason is because fewer guys = fewer girls. Talk to some of the BBS mommies, and they will tell you that business is down.
I agree with you here. Mayflower's capacity seems be 1800 girls in total, of which 1000+ will be displayed at once in their flower street. Even if they manage to get only half those numbers, it's still huge. Guys will go for the novelty factor alone. So business will be good for them for a few months at least, maybe longer if things are managed properly.
The problem is what happens to all the other KTVs in CP. In my opinion, there isn't enough business to go around for everybody if Mayflower opens up at full capacity. And there won't be for a while.
Hmmmm. It's a bit difficult to believe that CP has more hotel stars than Shenzhen, say. Shenzhen being so much bigger, and it's not like Shenzhen doesn't have hotels all over the place too. But yeah, CP does have a stupidly amount of mid-to-high end hotels for a town its size.
Euuhh.
1. If the girls cannot make a decent amount, some of them will go home. There will be fewer new ones coming in. Girls don't enjoy being XiaoJie's (hookers), it's just that they can't refuse the fabulous amounts of money (relatively speaking) they can earn.
2. The big shots that control the town won't allow the girls/guys ratio to get way out of whack where it becomes a complete buyer's market. The ratio may go up a bit, even a fair bit. But not way up there, e. G. 3 times what it used to be.
Yes, CP will grow if the demand grows. But I just see that happening until the economy picks up.
The other way for demand to increase is if prices go down. But that hasn't really happened. A few hotels have lowered their prices a bit (around 30 rmb or so). Some cheap KTVs no longer have a room minimum (usually weekdays only). But that's about it. Not enough to make a difference.
BTW: Regular rooms at Peninsula hotel are now 238 rmb.computer rooms are 268 rmb. 1 breakfast. No surcharge on weekends. This is about 30 rmb cheaper than before, I believe.
Those are my theories anyway.
Maybe, maybe not. China logic, unfortunately, is not always logical. More/extreme competition = good for the customer. You would think. It may not work out that way. I don't have the answer as to what it will be either, just that there is Western logic and then there is China logic.
Wadman,
Yes they still do have that one drink per lady stupid rule. But then again other KTV's have it too, it's just they don't say it out loud, they are very quiet and sneaky about it.
But which KTV in your opinion is the best? I mean I find Prince to be rather substandard as well. Their rooms suck and their girls are only great if you can pick them from that fashion show, which is quite hard because all the regulars get them first. Sheraton in Houjie is too expensive and their qualities are not that great unless you are willing to pay for 2000 RMB for a girl overnight. Huimei, Miraton, walter, their girls are just decent, finding a stunner here and there. I think it's about expectation though. If you go in not expecting tooo tooo much like wanting the grade A, then you'll be much better off. In addition, most of the time it's more about the if the girls is fun or not. I've had stunning looking girls from Royal Garden that are like a dead fish, it's hard to even carry a conversation with them.
If you have a good KTV to recommend to me, I would be very grateful. So far most of them haven't been all that great. Out of 30 KTV experiences I have perhaps 5 that are memorable.
AsnDragon
Agreed. JiaYi/TaoYuan is actually quite substandard in many ways. The only thing they have going for them is the mega-lineup. For newbies, it's a must see.
Quality, on average, isn't very good. But with that many girls, you are bound to find a few that are stunners in your eyes.
Girl attitudes is often lacking.
TaoYuan does have buy one get one free, if you order beer. But then they have that stupid 1 ladydrink per girl requirement. Is that still going on? Have they dropped that?
It's been almost a month ago when I was in China and you post this now?
I was referring you to just like from Santa's post recently.
I contacted you in CP to let you know I was going to be in Shenzhen the next day and you told me you got a freebie lineup, so that is why I didn't call you, so you can chase your pipe dream.
You said you be in SZ in two days and wanted to go out mongering and Walmart BBS. There was nothing set for the next day when you first called.
You call me and told me you are at Seibu bbs and no action, but I already got plan to go to ktv with my Hk buddy, so what the hell happen to your freebie.
I did NOT "Contract" you. You called me and I asked how you got my number? I believe you said Walman. I didn't say I was with a freebie. "HELL", same exact words from you again.
When I called you said, "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT". You told me, "Change of plans. I'm going out with my HK friends".
Jettsetter
03-15-09, 01:29
I'm relaxing from a busy trip with "family" and have a few things planned with some clients, but otherwise, will be just chilling and relaxing.
Anybody want to grab a beer or check out some BBS/KTV action, let me know. I'm around tentatively until the 20th, but may extend beyond if other things are going on.
-Jettsetter
PM me if you're around.
Blurking2002
03-15-09, 04:45
Was on business trip in GZ on the 27th night, friends called my China cellphone and ask me to join them in CP.
Was late went I finish dinner and reach CP train station. Arrived Miraton hotel around 1030pm and got another warning call from my friends that they reserved a bottle for me there and waiting for me.
So rush to Fu Hou KTV (1st time there), place nice and around the standard of peninsular or hui hua KTV rooms. 11pm, so don't expect to have parade or good stock to check anymore. Looking at my friends selection, I think overall is 5-7 out of 10. Well, the market price is still 2-5-8. But some of the girls if you pay extra rmb100 (can't remember 50 or 100), they will strip in the room. Let's put it this way, the room was in chaos and I have to go to another friends room to rest (have 2 groups of friends there and I am tooooo tired after work and traveling.)
My friends said they selected a "milk cow" for me, but look at her, I lost my appetite already even though the size is really bxg! It happensi know the mummy (she was previously from Fan Zhuan KTV, and she called her "Hong Pai" (best girl) which customer just left KTV. Let me say this, all the rushing and traveling is worth! She was a beauty, just fits my specs: tall, nice body, medium size bxxbs, big eyes, knows how to dress and intelligent enough (you ever experience, sometimes if the girl is too dumb, you get turn off).
The night went on well, went back to room with her. Got her wet and she ordered me that she wants to drove on me to reach climax again. Hahaha, mission accomplished. After that was too tired and sleep straight.
Will update if got time for day two (prince hotel in HJ.)
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With all of the reports coming in about Mayflower, I just got to check it out when I get back in May. I remember about eight years ago when an awesome lineup was about two hundred gals "dressed" in various theme. Then came Amazon KTV right next to the Versaille Hotel. Then they escalate it up to 400-500 lineup on weekend. I remember going with a few friends and it was awesome. It is like a kid going into a mega candy store and trying the choose the sweets with too many sweets to consider.
Now with the anticipated opening of Mayflower with 1, 000 plus gals, I guess I do not have to be a Muslim and dying as a matyre and being serviced by four dozen virgins or virgin wannabe. I'm glad to be Chinese abc where I do not have to die but to be alive among 1, 000 plus "sweet things" and wake up tomorrow and do it all over again and then at the end of the week fly home to be with the family.
I just hope that most or all of these 1, 000 KTV girls are afraid of laowais and gweilos. Just more of us abc's and cbc's. Just kidding guys. I'm not flaming you guys, I just sitting in Northern California and counting the days when I will be back. Just had a few more drinks this evening than I should have.
Fast Eddie 48
03-15-09, 05:19
I was referring you to just like from Santa's post recently.
You said you be in SZ in two days and wanted to go out mongering and Walmart BBS. There was nothing set for the next day when you called first.
I did NOT "Contract" you. You called me and I asked how you got my number? I believe you said Walman. I didn't say I was with a freebie. "WHAT THE HELL", same exact words from you again.
When I called you said, "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT". You told me, "change of plans. I'm going out with my HK friends".Weelock,
What is the damn point you are trying to get to
Are you just mad that Wadman give out your cell number or your freebie dump you and you cannot get actions at the bbs or I was too busy to go mongering with you because I have other plans please explain yourself and stop being a little cry baby.
Fast Eddie 48
Weelock,
What is the damn point you are trying to get to?
You should read Santa's original post to understand. I just made a comment ( post ) of it happening to me just like in Santa's post. I never meationed your name. It's kind of funny you knew it was about you in my first post. The point is you should at least called or have a good reason for not showing up or an apology.
Are you just mad that Wadman give out your cell number or your freebie dump you
NO, I'm not mad at Wadman. I know you and it was fine. Normally, personal info like private phone numbers should NOT be given out or without their consent.
I never said anything about freebies to you or anything about being dumped. Where did you get this info ? You made it up or heard some rumors or lies.
I'm not going to post anything further about this. It's a waste of bandwith.
Chang Ping is not a typical China, the risk factor here is certainly higher than other regions of China, because all these migrant workers. For a complete newbie to CP, stick to saunas is the safest option, unless you have a dependable guide to show you around. BBS is quite freightening for a complete newbie, unless you have a guide or know some store mamas.
Its true you should not throw your money around, but when you feel easy with certain hotel concierge or even a certain driver and can communicate with him with comfort, I think that's another safer option, to use him as a guide to learn the scenes, he is doing it for extra income, and you are doing it to learn the actions as a complete newbie, i believe this option will cut down risk factor in CP and other unfamiliar towns.
I have carefully use this option in CP when I was a complete newbie, and also in other Chinese cities, it worked for me pretty well, I got what I wanted, of course have to pay some extra money and get the experiences, b and also cut down the risk factors of being alone in difficult situations.
Another tip in CP is to take van or taxi to go out, especially at night, but walking in crowded areas in day time so far, in my 7-8 trips or so to CP, I did not have a problem, but I always take taxi at night.
Good Tips.
I notice that CP is quite often used rather than Dongguan or DGG. When the train from HK stops at Dongguan, I suppose we're automatically in CP?
There's also references to jiayi and some other places I assume are districts in Dongguan.
I'm sorry, but my China geography is shit poor.
Thank you
Hey Guys, just got in, started with regular sauna, massage at Peninsula. They did the "Hong Kong" style, which involved a lot of oily rubbing around the dxxk but nothing else. Still, it felt good. BTW, you can buy massage coupons at the front reception, which will save you 38 yuan per massage (sadly this discount does not apply to special sauna).
Then, off to Yalan BBS, first went into the place with the Q-balls on the door, slim picking, saw a thin girl from Hubei. Great body, poor attitude. After one pop, she said she wanted to leave, so I let her. It was only 9:30, so I tried to find the night market. I am pretty sure I found it, opposite to the hospital and all, but nothing was happening at all. Around 10, I went to Huimei, but to my surprise, no mommies looking for customers in the back alley.
Then, back to Yalan to another BBS in the same alley. There were only 3 girls by then, but took an instant liking to a girl from Hunan, young, thin, decent rack, and big eyes. She kinda liked me also, so we quickly went back to the Clipper. It turns out that this is her second day working, so it was a super tight experience; it was like a tight fist around me--this is the reason why I come to CP. One has a hard time finding this elsewhere. CP is like the source of the Yellow River in Tibet, where the water is still fresh and clear. I speak Chinese, so we were talking and playing for a while before she gave me a surprisingly deep BBBJ, followed by another round, which was awesome.
Then, we just went downstairs to the street BBQ. I had the best shrimp skewers ever. We had the works (meat, shrimps, oysters. Etc.) and some beers for 100y. I probably got ripped off slightly, but I didn't feel like having the laoban explain every item to me. We went back and had a third session within a short time. She just left. I LOVE CP!
BTW, I had no plans for KTV, but if Joe or others were organizing one anyway in the next couple night. I am happy to join, just let me know time and place to meet.
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Hey Guys, just got in, started with regular sauna, massage at Peninsula. They did the "Hong Kong" style, which involved a lot of oily rubbing around the dxxk but nothing else. Still, it felt good. BTW, you can buy massage coupons at the front reception, which will save you 38 yuan per massage (sadly this discount does not apply to special sauna).
Then, off to Yalan BBS, first went into the place with the Q-balls on the door, slim picking, saw a thin girl from Hubei. Great body, poor attitude. After one pop, she said she wanted to leave, so I let her. It was only 9:30, so I tried to find the night market. I am pretty sure I found it, opposite to the hospital and all, but nothing was happening at all. Around 10, I went to Huimei, but to my surprise, no mommies looking for customers in the back alley.
Then, back to Yalan to another BBS in the same alley. There were only 3 girls by then, but took an instant liking to a girl from Hunan, young, thin, decent rack, and big eyes. She kinda liked me also, so we quickly went back to the Clipper. It turns out that this is her second day working, so it was a super tight experience; it was like a tight fist around me--this is the reason why I come to CP. One has a hard time finding this elsewhere. CP is like the source of the Yellow River in Tibet, where the water is still fresh and clear. I speak Chinese, so we were talking and playing for a while before she gave me a surprisingly deep BBBJ, followed by another round, which was awesome.
Then, we just went downstairs to the street BBQ. I had the best shrimp skewers ever. We had the works (meat, shrimps, oysters. Etc.) and some beers for 100y. I probably got ripped off slightly, but I didn't feel like having the laoban explain every item to me. We went back and had a third session within a short time. She just left. I LOVE CP!
BTW, I had no plans for KTV, but if Joe or others were organizing one anyway in the next couple night. I am happy to join, just let me know time and place to meet.
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Firstly, all mommies keep telling you a lot of bullsh*t about how business is bad and things are not as good as before and there's a lack of customers. But when I go into the BBS and there's no girls to choose from on a Tuesday afternoon at 3 pm, when they had like 25 girls the day before on Monday, then I don't think things are as bad as they seem.Some guys seem to think that things in CP will get so much better because there is less demand (fewer guys) and more supply (unemployment due to factory closures). Well, let's look at the evidence:
- some hotels slightly cheaper
- girl fees the same at KTVs
- KTV fees slightly cheaper, at some KTVs
- BBS fees the same (but girl attitudes better, on weekdays anyways)
- fewer girls to choose from at BBS
- sauna rates about the same, some places offer small discounts
- restaurants, foot massage, DVDs, etc - cost is pretty much the same
So overall, not much difference.
BTW: a FuLong sauna mommy called me today. Girl fees are now 300/400. 88 rmb for the room. Show up at 10: 30 PM and stay overnight for free. And lots of new and pretty girls, she says (yeah, right.). So, a slightly better deal than before, but nothing spectecular.
To get to FuLong hotel:
- from main street/drag, pass Miraton, Virgin, HuiMei, Lucky. Go all the way to the end of the street until you hit the traffic light.
- turn left at the lights, go for about 1 km
- after about 1 km, there is a bridge. Right after the bridge, there is a gas station on the left side of the road. (This is just before you hit Plutocrat/Fuhao)
- turn left and go for about 400 meters. FuLong hotel is on the right side of the street
EXCEPT for Xue-er. She never manages to sell off her group of girls for some reason while all the other mommies are able to. So some mommies just ***** and complain to you to sort of to get you to help them out. They use all types of psychological techniques, including Xue-er who was so damn desperate to sell off her girls that she resorted to telling me about how her husband is leaving her and showed me a text message about how he wants her to get out of his life but she's not allowed to take their baby daughter away.XueEr/Michelle used to be my favourite. Not anymore. Ever since she moved from Baby's shop to the one around the corner on the second floor, things have gone downhill. Now she's got crappy girls with crappy service. My theory is that is she too soft. Too soft with everyone, including her girls. She can't get her girls to provide good service. Why should they? It's not like there will be consequences.
She is SEA Joe's favourite mommy now, latches on to him everytime like he is a longlost BF. Joe will deny all this of course.
XueEr has been separated from her husband for the longest time. At least 1 year. Her 4 year old daughter lives with her husband most of the time, XueEr is allowed to see her and have her over at times. According to her, she left him because he started screwing around on her. Who knows what the real story is.
I think in the end it still comes down to the Hong Kong Mongers. Without them, CP will collapse. They still represent the core base of CP's main business. Whether it be in hotels or KTV's BBS etc. HK guy's location being so close to CP makes them the core clientele simply because of the frequency they come to monger. If HK's economy is bad then CP eventually will start to fade as well. I mean the taiwanese, laowai, singaporean etc. Don't matter that much, because their frequency is simply not enough to make much of a major difference.
That's why all the KTV and BBS actually like Hk guys more, because there's a chance that they will come back every weekend. Even foot massage girls are part of this group as well. Hoping that if a customer from HK likes them they will have set amount of hours to meet their quotas every month.
Restaurants, foot massage places, stores, hotels all depend on mongering activities either indirectly or directly to survive. If the mongering levels do decline, then this whole town will be in deep crap. Let's all hope that doesn't happen.Well, yes, there is a part of CP where the whole economy is based on P4P. (We should realize there is another part of CP where there are actual factories! ) But the P4P part will collapse without the HK guys. And it's hurting because of the economy, just like everyone else pretty much all over the world.
But which KTV in your opinion is the best? I mean I find Prince to be rather substandard as well. Their rooms suck and their girls are only great if you can pick them from that fashion show, which is quite hard because all the regulars get them first. Sheraton in Houjie is too expensive and their qualities are not that great unless you are willing to pay for 2000 RMB for a girl overnight. Huimei, Miraton, walter, their girls are just decent, finding a stunner here and there. I think it's about expectation though. If you go in not expecting tooo tooo much like wanting the grade A, then you'll be much better off. In addition, most of the time it's more about the if the girls is fun or not. I've had stunning looking girls from Royal Garden that are like a dead fish, it's hard to even carry a conversation with them.
If you have a good KTV to recommend to me, I would be very grateful. So far most of them haven't been all that great. Out of 30 KTV experiences I have perhaps 5 that are memorable.
AsnDragon
Well, it depends on what you want.
HuiHua, Miraton: classy, well-mannered girls, but not very playful in KTV room
HuiMei, Virgin: great uniforms sometimes (see-through babydoll), a bit more playful, but girls not the best looking
Walter: really ugly girls, stay away
Fuhao: bit more playful, flower street but not that many girls (maybe 150), some girls will strip for an extra 50 rmb
New Century: older, musty smelling rooms, girl looks so-so
JiaYi: lots of quantity (but some of them are real BBS girls!)
Swanlake: cheaper, more playful, but you have to able to handle girls and pushy mommies
Peninsula: some guys swear by the quality, it was only on par with HuiHua, Miraton in my opinion
PP: nice rooms, but girl looks only so-so
HuaDu: near trainstation, they have a flower street as well, but not as large as JiaYi. 200-300 girls.
DiHao (DaLang): some nice model girls, but expensive
Crown Prince (HuangJiang): haven't been there in a long time, so don't know about girls now
If you like playful girls, you should go to ChangAn. Plenty of stripping KTVs there, and if you speak the language and can make a genuine connection with the girls, they are more friendly, more real too.
I notice that CP is quite often used rather than Dongguan or DGG. When the train from HK stops at Dongguan, I suppose we're automatically in CP?
There's also references to jiayi and some other places I assume are districts in Dongguan.
The train is the only one that fucks up "Dongguan". Usually Dongguan refers to Dongguan city or the region (prefecture) of Dongguan. ChangPing (CP) is a city within Dongguan prefecture.
But with the train, the "Dongguan" stop is actually in CP, nowhere near Dongguan city (40 minutes away by car).
JiaYi is a hotel in CP. Its accompanying KTV is TaoYuan.
Then, we just went downstairs to the street BBQ. I had the best shrimp skewers ever. We had the works (meat, shrimps, oysters. Etc.) and some beers for 100y. I probably got ripped off slightly, but I didn't feel like having the laoban explain every item to me.
You better hope SEA Joe doesn't find out! He's gonna rip you a new one for getting ripped off. He's gonna tell you how stupid you were for not going to that place where you can have a large bottle of TsingTao for 3 rmb! Yes, that's 3 rmb for a large bottle. And the food is a bit cheaper too. 18 oysters for 30 rmb.
The outdoor BBQ and bar street is just 20 meters down the road from Clipper. You may even be able to see it from your room if it faces the right way.
Very detailed information provided. Any of you aliaises to 141?
All this talk about the soon (perhaps) to open Mayflower KTV.... You know what? A KTV is a KTV is a KTV. I've had the worst times at some of the highest rated KTVs in the country, and I've had the best times at the smallest dive KTVs with butt ugly girls.
The KTV experience is all about YOUR attitude. If you had a long but satisfying day and you have the right people with you, you'll have a blast no matter where you are. On the other hand, if you've been having a bad day for whatever reason, it'll reflect at the KTV too.
I've posted about it before, and I'll say it again. Whether it's with friends, or with business associates, or whoever, KTV is about hanging out. Everything else, including the booze and girls, is second to that. It's all about the comaraderie. Once you come to that realization, you'll enjoy KTV a lot more.
Think about it for a minute. Are you at KTV to get laid? If that's true, it's a poor choice. BBS is a lot cheaper, and saunas offer better service. Are you there to get drunk? A bottle of baijiu from the local market is a lot cheaper. Are you there to sing? The music studios without the girls are a LOT cheaper. Finally, please don't tell me you like the dice games.....
It is of course, possible that this is a minority opinion. It is however, one that has quite a bit of experience behind it.
SE Asia Joe
03-16-09, 04:34
All this talk about the soon (perhaps) to open Mayflower KTV.... You know what? A KTV is a KTV is a KTV. I've had the worst times at some of the highest rated KTVs in the country, and I've had the best times at the smallest dive KTVs with butt ugly girls.
The KTV experience is all about YOUR attitude. If you had a long but satisfying day and you have the right people with you, you'll have a blast no matter where you are. On the other hand, if you've been having a bad day for whatever reason, it'll reflect at the KTV too.
I've posted about it before, and I'll say it again. Whether it's with friends, or with business associates, or whoever, KTV is about hanging out. Everything else, including the booze and girls, is second to that. It's all about the comaraderie. Once you come to that realization, you'll enjoy KTV a lot more.
Think about it for a minute. Are you at KTV to get laid? If that's true, it's a poor choice. BBS is a lot cheaper, and saunas offer better service. Are you there to get drunk? A bottle of baijiu from the local market is a lot cheaper. Are you there to sing? The music studios without the girls are a LOT cheaper. Finally, please don't tell me you like the dice games.....
It is of course, possible that this is a minority opinion. It is however, one that has quite a bit of experience behind it.
1000% CORRECT Moody!!
It's all a matter of attitude and camaraderie and fun and laughter! Get a bunch of guys who likes to have fun AND knows the basic unwritten rules of such gathering and you'll all have a blast.
But all it takes is one guy to spoil the whole thing - and Jeez - of late I've been bumping into more and more such guys. Pity!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
03-16-09, 04:45
You better hope SEA Joe doesn't find out! He's gonna rip you a new one for getting ripped off. He's gonna tell you how stupid you were for not going to that place where you can have a large bottle of TsingTao for 3 rmb! Yes, that's 3 rmb for a large bottle. And the food is a bit cheaper too. 18 oysters for 30 rmb.
The outdoor BBQ and bar street is just 20 meters down the road from Clipper. You may even be able to see it from your room if it faces the right way.
Harummphhh.... YOU JUST HAD TO GET ME INVOLVED DIDN'T YOU?!
Remember - this is the newer, gentler Joe now - and I ain't gonna rip nobody no nuthin'. You're doing it all by yoruself Wadman!!
And all this talk about Hong Kong guys and the CP economy - well, Rainbow the fat and flirty Mommie cornered me with an offer of a totally White Tiger (which I unfortunately had to decline as I was just leaving CP then). Anyway, she was complaining that the number of Hong Kong and Taiwan guys - on whom most of the Yalan/Humei BBS's rely on for 90% of their business - has really drastically gone down. And the Taiwan guys are really getting very chintzy, picky and even bitchy nowadays (Hell, she knew I'm from HKG - and of course have no complaints about HKG guys!).
She categorically stated that because the number of customers are down, the number of gals are also going down as these gals just cannot make any decent $$ anymore. And thus the bosses ARE cutting down on the number of gals allowed to work at the BBS's.
Yeah Wadman - now rip into me and the other Hong Kong guys for not coming to CP more often and thus causing all this disruptions. Go ahead!!
SEAJ
ps. Yes - you are right. I've sold off and gone flat on all the stock positions I took last week - and thus doing nuthin' again!!
You better hope SEA Joe doesn't find out! He's gonna rip you a new one for getting ripped off. He's gonna tell you how stupid you were for not going to that place where you can have a large bottle of TsingTao for 3 rmb! Yes, that's 3 rmb for a large bottle. And the food is a bit cheaper too. 18 oysters for 30 rmb.
The outdoor BBQ and bar street is just 20 meters down the road from Clipper. You may even be able to see it from your room if it faces the right way.Well, it all depends how much the large shrimp skewers cost. We had eight of them, and I have a hard time imagining (well don't really want to imagine) that they cost less than 5 a piece. Yeah, found the outdoor bbq/ beer area. May try it out tonight. Looked pretty dead last night around 8 though.
DV
Dan Hawaii
03-16-09, 09:56
All this talk about the soon (perhaps) to open Mayflower KTV.... You know what? A KTV is a KTV is a KTV. I've had the worst times at some of the highest rated KTVs in the country, and I've had the best times at the smallest dive KTVs with butt ugly girls.
The KTV experience is all about YOUR attitude. If you had a long but satisfying day and you have the right people with you, you'll have a blast no matter where you are. On the other hand, if you've been having a bad day for whatever reason, it'll reflect at the KTV too.
I've posted about it before, and I'll say it again. Whether it's with friends, or with business associates, or whoever, KTV is about hanging out. Everything else, including the booze and girls, is second to that. It's all about the comaraderie. Once you come to that realization, you'll enjoy KTV a lot more.
Think about it for a minute. Are you at KTV to get laid? If that's true, it's a poor choice. BBS is a lot cheaper, and saunas offer better service. Are you there to get drunk? A bottle of baijiu from the local market is a lot cheaper. Are you there to sing? The music studios without the girls are a LOT cheaper. Finally, please don't tell me you like the dice games.....
It is of course, possible that this is a minority opinion. It is however, one that has quite a bit of experience behind it.
Yo, Moody, The KTV King:)
I'm there for "all the above" mentioned. Hahaha. I love the comaraderie, booze, and the party atmosphere. However, I would not go there if there were no girls there. So for me, the biggest draw are the girls.
I know what you are saying, I would rather party with average looking girls with awesome party attitudes, than hot beautiful poor attitude, boring little miss prissy girls.
I think you hit it right on when saying... it is the people you go with to the ktv that is key, they will either make or break the party atmosphere. You come to realize that when you wonder why some ktv sessions are boring, while some are so unforgettable. I believe going with a VIP is important, and going with friends that know how to have a good time and party are most important. I don't think it is the ktv's fault if you had a bad boring time, furthermore, I believe it is the energy and vibe the girls get off of us which will determine the way the ktv party will go.
Jettsetter
03-16-09, 11:06
Well, it all depends how much the large shrimp skewers cost. We had eight of them, and I have a hard time imagining (well don't really want to imagine) that they cost less than 5 a piece. Yeah, found the outdoor bbq/ beer area. May try it out tonight. Looked pretty dead last night around 8 though.
DV
few of us might head to a ktv... how do we get in touch with you Dagevin?
it seems we can't PM to you.
-J
Bad Boy Billy
03-18-09, 02:10
I have been informed by my Chinese partners that May Day holidays in China this year are May 1, 2 and 3.
IYHO's guys - what impact if any will May Day holidays have on CP BBS's and P4P scene in general if I was kinda planning on spending Apr 27 to 30 in town?
Do many / if any of the girlies head home for thse holidays?
Dan Hawaii
03-18-09, 05:57
I have been informed by my Chinese partners that May Day holidays in China this year are May 1, 2 and 3.
IYHO's guys - what impact if any will May Day holidays have on CP BBS's and P4P scene in general if I was kinda planning on spending Apr 27 to 30 in town?
Do many / if any of the girlies head home for thse holidays?
Last year I was there during that time and not too much happened. Like zero change on the girl action and CP scene in general.
Bad Boy Billy
03-18-09, 06:10
Last year I was there during that time and not too much happened. Like zero change on the girl action and CP scene in general.Thanks mate - appreciate that.
Fast Eddie 48
03-18-09, 06:12
Last year I was there during that time and not too much happened. Like zero change on the girl action and CP scene in general.Dan H,
That was last yr there been many change since you been here, That is what happen if you get married cannot come here anymore.
There are many bbs and factory worker went home during the CNY hoilday and never came back.
Fast Eddie 48
I have been informed by my Chinese partners that May Day holidays in China this year are May 1, 2 and 3.
IYHO's guys - what impact if any will May Day holidays have on CP BBS's and P4P scene in general if I was kinda planning on spending Apr 27 to 30 in town?
Do many / if any of the girlies head home for thse holidays?
For a visit to CP, it hardly matters what the China holidays are (unless it's CNY). CP's crowd is the Hongkies, so the question is: is May 1-3 a holiday in HK? I am not that familiar with HK, so don't know the answer to that question.
If May 1-3 is a holiday in HK, avoid that period cause them Hongkies will be coming up to CP in droves. Some may come up a bit early and make a long weekend out of it.
The next session of the Canton Fair is April 15-19, April 24-28, May 3-7. Usually, CP is best avoided during Canton Fair periods. Last session of Canton Fair was really quiet, crowds was 50% of what it usually is. I imagine this session will be much the same, maybe even fewer people.
SE Asia Joe
03-18-09, 06:52
For a visit to CP, it hardly matters what the China holidays are (unless it's CNY). CP's crowd is the Hongkies, so the question is: is May 1-3 a holiday in HK? I am not that familiar with HK, so don't know the answer to that question.
If May 1-3 is a holiday in HK, avoid that period cause them Hongkies will be coming up to CP in droves. Some may come up a bit early and make a long weekend out of it.
The next session of the Canton Fair is April 15-19, April 24-28, May 3-7. Usually, CP is best avoided during Canton Fair periods. Last session of Canton Fair was really quiet, crowds was 50% of what it usually is. I imagine this session will be much the same, maybe even fewer people.
Yup - May 1, 2 and 3 ARE holidays in Hong Kong.
But Wadman and I have totally different opinions on this. He says that such week-ends (and all week-ends !) are bad as us Hong Kong guys come up and take away all the gals. Me, I say that BECAUSE the gals and mommies knows that us Hong Kong-ers are coming up - everyone is "on the job" and eager to rock and roll!!
To me CP really rocks best during the week-end.
SEAJ
Ps and since you're planning to be in CP just before this particular long week-end - you should do just fine! The gals will all be back at their post when you're here - just waiting for the long week-end when us Hong Kong'ers come up!! Just leave a few for me!
I have been informed by my Chinese partners that May Day holidays in China this year are May 1, 2 and 3.
IYHO's guys - what impact if any will May Day holidays have on CP BBS's and P4P scene in general if I was kinda planning on spending Apr 27 to 30 in town?
Do many / if any of the girlies head home for thse holidays?
I don't believe the girls go home for this holiday. Most live too far away. It's too much time going home and coming back.
Even with the holiday in May and the Canton Fair, it's NO comparison with CNY. Southern China was real dead about for 8 weeks, 4 weeks before CNY and about 4 weeks after CNY. During CNY as you know you have to deal with raids, the colder weather, the higher rates for transportation, higher rates for lodging and less girls.
Therefore, I think you made the right decision NOT to come around the middle of Jan 2009 and come later. It's better now than during CNY. However, I have heard things have NOT returned completely normal, mainly because of the recession.
Warning, I was there in China and in Macau in early May. Some hotels in China will double their rates for the holiday. In Guangzhou during the Canton Fair expect higher rates but CP should be safe during the Fair. In Macau, the 3 star hotels were averaging $1000.00+ HKD a night. It was even higher for the weekend. However, things might change because of the recession.
Dear Bros, I debated with myself for a long time on whether to write the following post. On the one hand, this is important information for CP mongers. On the other hand, I made some very stupid mistakes, and am deeply shameful of it. Nonetheless, in the interest of public knowledge, I give the following horrifying account. Feel free to deride me for my mistakes.
Two days ago, I finished lunch at the Yunnan rice noodle place on Zhongyuan St. (the main street) and contemplating a trip to Huimei for a sauna. A tall woman with long legs approached me and gave me the usual "do you want to see some girls. " I really hesitated because it was going to be my sauna day, but curiosity got the best of me. She was pretty good looking for a mommy, so I followed her. We did NOT head behind the Huimei to the usual BBS. Instead, we headed the other direction into the street next to the two-story Taiwanese restaurant into a residential neighborhood. That didn't alarm me as I have followed plenty of mommies into residential neighborhood for a viewing. We arrived at a residential apartment; she opened the door and started heading upward to the fourth floor. Again, this did not alarm me because I have done that plenty of time. What should have alarmed me is the complete absence of other people in any of the other floors. We arrived at an apartment; she opened the door. THERE WERE NO GIRLS, but she said that "go on in, the girls are in the next room. " I have replayed this scene in my head a thousand times since then and wished so much that some small alarmed had sounded in my head at that time, but it did not.
I stepped across the threshold and the horror began. She slammed the door shut, locked it, and three guys emerged from the next room holding a hammer, a iron pipe and a the iron thing you put on your fist. I panicked, and my first thought was that they will kill me, so I STRUGGLED and SCREAMED. That was a big mistake; they began to beat on me with all of their weapons, focusing on my head. Another guy emerged from the other room and joined in. Eventually, someone put their knee on my neck, and I was losing consciousness, so I stopped resisting as they put tape around my ankles. Fortunately, I spoke Chinese, and I soon apologized to them and promised that I won't resist further. The beating stopped. Blood was flowing freely from my head, soaking one side of my jacket. Facing me were four hard-looking peasant type, one of them perhaps looking a bit sophisticated. They were still mad that I had resisted. I pled with them that I panicked because this had never happened to me. I was sobbing uncontrollably, so they relaxed somewhat and began to lay down the law for me. "If you cooperate, we will not harm you, but if you don't, we will kill you. "
They searched through my stuff and immediately grabbed my wallet and my phone. My phone was old, so they just took the sim card out and laid it aside. They took the 2000 or so I carried, but also dug everything else out. I didn't carry any bank card but had my hotel key, so they asked "what do you have in your hotel? " By then a bit more calm, I said nothing; they can look themselves. I had some more money, but it was not in the safe, but hidden somewhere in the luggage. I was betting that if they didn't find anything in the safe, they may not find my other money, passport and bank cards. They took my key and went to my hotel to search it. The bleeding in my head slowed, and I was not dizzy, suggesting that I didn't get a concussion. I was a bit relieved by that. An hour or so later, the searchers called the people in the locked room saying that they found some money and my cards.
The next round of nightmare then began. With my wallet and money from my room, they had over 8000 RMB, but their main objective is to drain their victims' bank accounts as much as possible. They were NOT interested in the credit cards. They are not Russians and are not interested in selling credit card numbers on the internet. They were however very interested in the debit cards, of which I had two, both for US based bank accounts. They immediately asked me menacingly of the code. I told them honestly and told them to get cash from machines with a VISA sign. On the first trip, they failed to get any money. I was honestly puzzled by why that was the case, but they were not happy about that at all. The head person once again threatened to beat me, and in fact kicked me very hard. However, I sobbed and told them the code again, and also told him that he must go to a VISA linked machine to get cash. In the mean time, I tried very hard to befriend two of the guys there, who seemed a bit nicer. I think I was somewhat successful, and I told them about my own family. Etc. Then, my luck turned further as they got another person to step across the threshold, so they were distracted for another hour trying to get money and PIN from the other person, who was from Hong Kong.
However, around 4pm, the head guys went to the ATM again, and failed to get money again. Needless to say, he was pretty pissed off and threatened to beat me again, but by this time, the other two guys, seeing my uncontrollable sobbing, tried to persuade his elder brother that I was telling the truth. The questioning dragged on for another hour, and I swore that I didn't know why they couldn't get money from the accounts. Seriously, I didn't know why and was deathly afraid that they would kill me in anger. My pleading finally managed to persuade them to give up questioning me. It helped that they got some money from the other person's bank account. Around 7pm, they cut loose the other person and left the room altogether, leaving me and the other victim to free ourselves. We left the chamber of horror and smoked cigarettes furiously. My head was still bleeding a bit, but my fellow victim was kind enough to direct me to a clinique, where I got some treatment. I was very shaken when I returned to the hotel. I wanted to leave right then, but I was too exhausted, so I showered, locked the door and slept, leaving the next day. Some observations:
1. It was a small organization. They claimed they are a part of a large network, but I never saw any communication with anyone higher up. They were very ignorant of how bank cards worked. It turns out that they weren't able to take any money out because they didn't know what a checking account was. Peasants always save money in savings account, and I didn't have any money in the savings account for that one account. For the other card, Citibank does not allow overseas access to savings account from non Citibank ATMs.
2. They are looking for quick bucks. Had I known this, I wouldn't have panicked and resisted. They only want quick money; they don't want the messiness of killing or kidnapping someone, unless they are convinced that you are super rich. But they told me that they let a few Taiwanese bosses go after getting a few tens of thousands from them.
3. There are many victims. During our conversations, one of the guys told me that sometimes they go through five guys a day, and they have been doing this for a few months. Thus, there are hundreds of victims out there. I think they probably would try to avoid Caucasians, but they told me they have victimized Malaysian, Singaporeans, Taiwanese, Japanese, and of course HK mongers. In fact, they also got two other guys, but these two were smart enough to not step across the threshold, but if they had, they would have gotten four people in one day.
4. They left victims with some money. They didn't take my laptop computer and left me 500 RMB. I think they intuitively know that if they took everything, the victims will have no choice but to go to the police. With the 500, I could easily go back to any of the major airports in the area.
Fellow CP mongers, I don't think this mean we shouldn't have fun in CP any more, but I certainly will never again go to a BBS in an unestablished area. I will only go to saunas and BBS behind Huimei and in Yalan. I also will not go into anywhere without seeing a few girls there. Also, for Joe and the other regulars, you should tell BBS owners that this is extremely bad for business, and people will be afraid to play through the BBS and will only go to saunas and KTVs. In general, I feel that law and order are degenerating in southern China, and I will avoid it for the next few months. I am still very shaken by this incident, and flash backs continue to haunt me. I hope no one will experience the horror that I experienced.
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ManonsanBoy
03-18-09, 23:55
Dear Bros, I debated with myself for a long time on whether to write the following post. On the one hand, this is important information for CP mongers. On the other hand, I made some very stupid mistakes, and am deeply shameful of it. Nonetheless, in the interest of public knowledge, I give the following horrifying account. Feel free to deride me for my mistakes.
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Thank you for the report. It is a good reminder. Same with cars. These gangs work with the local Bao An a lot of the time. That is why they left you some money so you do not go bothering the Boa An. Crime statistics are kept. However, if they do not like their cut, that is when criminals get arrested, tried and executed.
Horror in CP
Dear Dagevin,
This is an outrage and terrible thing to happen to anyone. I certainly appreciate the story, and will learn from your experience. No question that most of us mongers have followed mamas to strange rooms without thinking too much. Santa and many others also have told of degenerating conditions in DG, so this was the natural evolution (devolution?) of society, I guess.
My only thought is that these things should be reported to the police. I know nothing will come of it, and it is more trouble than it is worth, but the possible benefits are obvious.
Anyway, thanks for sharing. It makes me rethink some of my travel plans.
M
Wow, you are extremely lucky. My friend had this happen to him as well. I had posted a warning on this board to warn mongers of these rampant crimes that are going around in CP.
It is always hard to hear the raw truth of what happens in CP. I mean just by going to CP we are flirting with danger all the time. It is always good to stay vigilant and to go with other bros or fellow mongers in CP. With more people it's a little better as hopefully there's someone within the group that will sound an alarm to not step over to these shady places. I am very glad that you are alright and did not suffer any major irreversible injuries.
To all bros. Be safe when mongering. Never be too confident in China as China really is the wild wild west. Anything can happen and honestly life is not worth much there. Never [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) anyone off as well. As there was a HK guy who dumped a girl and the girl was pissed off and hired someone to slash his throat while he was in a convenient store. He died on not long after.
I don't blame you for wanting to get the hell out of CP afterwards. My friend still hasn't recovered mentally from the whole situation. He gets scared walking into small residential alleys round China still, since his kidnapping experience last time.
I hope all the best to you. Be sure to be in a group if you can next time.
AsnDragon
Fellow CP mongers, I don't think this mean we shouldn't have fun in CP any more, but I certainly will never again go to a BBS in an unestablished area. I will only go to saunas and BBS behind Huimei and in Yalan. I also will not go into anywhere without seeing a few girls there. Also, for Joe and the other regulars, you should tell BBS owners that this is extremely bad for business, and people will be afraid to play through the BBS and will only go to saunas and KTVs. In general, I feel that law and order are degenerating in southern China, and I will avoid it for the next few months. I am still very shaken by this incident, and flash backs continue to haunt me. I hope no one will experience the horror that I experienced.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Jettsetter
03-19-09, 02:39
Dear Dagevin,
This is an outrage and terrible thing to happen to anyone. I certainly appreciate the story, and will learn from your experience. No question that most of us mongers have followed mamas to strange rooms without thinking too much. Santa and many others also have told of degenerating conditions in DG, so this was the natural evolution (devolution?) of society, I guess.
My only thought is that these things should be reported to the police. I know nothing will come of it, and it is more trouble than it is worth, but the possible benefits are obvious.
Anyway, thanks for sharing. It makes me rethink some of my travel plans.
M
Dagevin...
Sorry to hear about your story. I'm glad you shared, as it's important for us to think twice about some things before blindly trusting that the mommies on the street are legit.
Luckily I haven't come across this scenario... but I usually always to to these types of places in numbers. I think they tend to prey on the single guys as it makes for an easier target. A group of even two guys might make it less of a prospect to try to take them over, but maybe i'm wrong (anybody hear of that - where two guys get jumped).
Certainly makes me think twice about the BBS scene, although I know the regular places and would stick to those, although thugs could easily take over a place at either location.
In the end, I think there are plenty of ISGers around and anybody venturing is better off going with a seasoned veteran like Santa or OAH or Wadman when they're around, for both safety and reliability.
The scenario sucks, but I'm honestly glad you're alright out of this.
-Jett
Dear Bros, I debated with myself for a long time on whether to write the following post. On the one hand, this is important information for CP mongers. On the other hand, I made some very stupid mistakes, and am deeply shameful of it. Nonetheless, in the interest of public knowledge, I give the following horrifying account. Feel free to deride me for my mistakes.
.[/blue][/size]Dagevin,
You broke one of the main cardinal rule "Never. Never follow a tout" even if she is a "pimpette" and legs/boobs to die for. Tell them that if they are interested in selling is for them to bring the merchandise over to you.
Sorry to hear about it. I hope this serve as a warning to a lot of newbies lurking on the board that mongering can be dangerous to your health if not followed wisely.
Your experience should be one of the first articles/thread that newbies read before venturing out in the wild world of mongering.
Take care
Dear Bros, I debated with myself for a long time on whether to write the following post. On the one hand, this is important information for CP mongers. On the other hand, I made some very stupid mistakes, and am deeply shameful of it. Nonetheless, in the interest of public knowledge, I give the following horrifying account. Feel free to deride me for my mistakes.Dagevin
You need to PM OWL, you need to have him show you how to take on all those guys. Have him show you how he would "roundhouse" kick and break the balls of the other attacker in two minutes or less.
Where is OWL when you need him. PM OWL and he will come to your rescue and teach these bullies a big lesson.
Can someone get ahold of a big searchlight and tell them to stencil "OWL" on the glass and flash it up to the sky of "Gotham" Dongguan. Lets hope OWL will take the fast train in to DG and beat these bullies.
OWL where are you when we need you. Ahhh.
Dagevin,
Holy shit! Really scary stuff. My sympathies and thanks for sharing your story with us in such detail.
Not meaning this as criticism, but this is one of the reasons why you should do these things in groups, especially late at night. Stuff like this is less likely to happen.
This also illustrates another example of China logic. Economy bad, business bad. You would think that they would provide better service and lower prices to entice customers. But I guess people need money by hook or crook, and never mind the fact that this will keep a lot of customers away. This is not unusual for China btw, a lot of places (restaurants, foot massage, BBS) that are poorly located tend to do this too: they charge you more out of desperation rather than get you a better deal to entice you to come back.
Crime has been up in CP, CA, BaoAn for a while. But I am a little surprised to hear that it is this closely connected to P4P.
Dear Bros, I debated with myself for a long time on whether to write the following post. On the one hand, this is important information for CP mongers. On the other hand, I made some very stupid mistakes, and am deeply shameful of it. Nonetheless, in the interest of public knowledge, I give the following horrifying account. Feel free to deride me for my mistakes.
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Yup - May 1, 2 and 3 is a hllday in Hong Kong.
But Wadman and I have different opinions on this. He says that such week-ends (and all week-ends !)_ are bad as us Hong Kong guys come up and take away all the gals. Me, I say that BECAUSE the gals and mommies knows that us Hong Kong-ers are coming up - everyone is "on the job" and eager to rock and roll!!
To me CP really rocks best during the week-end.
SEAJ
Hmmm.... and what do you think the girls do outside of weekends? They all sleep away until the weekend rolls around? Most girls work pretty much every day.
Yes, those few days off that they have/take, they will do so on weekdays. But most of them are still on the job for the most part, and with far fewer guys => better ratio, and girls are in less of a hurry.
So, it depends on what you want. If you like lots of HK guys around you, by all means go on weekends. If you like the place to yourself, go on weekdays.
Did the BBS rounds with Santa, ABCinLA and Jetsetter Tuesday night. We went around 10:30 PM, after finishing our dinner. Not the best time to go, rather late. We went behind the HuiMei first, not many girls on the main level shops. One shop, the one with the papasan, had only fat girls.
Note to ABCinLA: "Fei2" = fat. Nobody likes being called fat, certainly not young girls. The polite form is "Pang4", which equates to something like "chubby".
Shabah F117
03-19-09, 03:09
Dagevin:
It seems like this was your first trip to CP and a bad one.
IMHO, I think both of you and the other victim should have gone to the police. Since they went into your room and most of the hotels have video cameras you could get pictures of them. ATM also have cameras.
The location is most likely a rental and the landlord might have some information on person who rented the place. There is always a good and a bad guy. Like a good cop and a bad cop during an interview but their goal is the same to get information from you. Can you tell me where was the apartment located?
You should go back to the place with the police. Hope you called all of your banks/intuitions to close your accounts.
A first time poster but been reading this forum for a while now. I thank everybody for the wealth of information I've been able to glean about Chang Ping! I'm planning a trip there at the end of this month and hope to be writing a series of reports about my adventures. On another site, a KTV (sauna? ) called GOLD MINE (jin kuang? ) is mentioned. Does anyone know anything about this place and where it is?
Thanks in advance.
SE Asia Joe
03-19-09, 05:17
Fellow CP mongers, I don't think this mean we shouldn't have fun in CP any more, but I certainly will never again go to a BBS in an unestablished area. I will only go to saunas and BBS behind Huimei and in Yalan. I also will not go into anywhere without seeing a few girls there. Also, for Joe and the other regulars, you should tell BBS owners that this is extremely bad for business, and people will be afraid to play through the BBS and will only go to saunas and KTVs. In general, I feel that law and order are degenerating in southern China, and I will avoid it for the next few months. I am still very shaken by this incident, and flash backs continue to haunt me. I hope no one will experience the horror that I experienced.
My symplathies to you Dagevin. You've really posted a very important and timely reminder for all of us - even and including us regulars to CP. Looking back, many times I know that I've probably NOT had my danger - and common sense - radar on. All these nubile, willing and easily obtained young things gives us all a false sense of security, and worse, clouds our judgements as to what constitures taking dangerous or risky chances.
I have talked to a few mommies, managers etc about the degenerating scene and the rise in crime in CP - and for the most part, these people themselves feel that "something" should be done - only - what exactly?? They themselves feel "threatened" about their personal safety AND for their own livelihood. There really is no authority or body or ??? who could or should handle this all; not with the rampant corruption and generally low quality of the very people who are supposed to be doing this.
Perhaps this is a good time for us all to suggest how to better take care of ourselves/outline some of the things we all should watch out for/relay some of the unwise things we've been guilty of committing. Let start with what I know is some of my laxity:
- Getting too familiar with people in the trade - gals, mommies, mafoos etc - these people can and many times, will turn to crime. NOT good to let them know too much about you.
- Letting what should only be a P4P relation to evolve into something more/not managing expectations better. Crime of passion, revenge, etc
- NOT emphatizing enough with who you are dealing with - normal behaviour from where you come from may NOT be acceptable/insulting/out of line etc in China/in a mongering situation. Not knowing when you may have pissed off somebody.
- Unnecessary "outrage" at some piddlin' little thing - your own principles, sense of justice, common decency etc - all this - in CHINA????!!!
- Alcohol/horniness/having too much fun induced lapses of sense.
etc etc
SEAJ
Dan Hawaii
03-19-09, 07:01
Dagevin:
It seems like this was your first trip to CP and a bad one.
IMHO, I think both of you and the other victim should have gone to the police. Since they went into your room and most of the hotels have video cameras you could get pictures of them. ATM also have cameras.
The location is most likely a rental and the landlord might have some information on person who rented the place. There is always a good and a bad guy. Like a good cop and a bad cop during an interview but their goal is the same to get information from you. Can you tell me where was the apartment located?
You should go back to the place with the police. Hope you called all of your banks/intuitions to close your accounts.
Dagevin,
wow bro, that's really FUBAR. I mean, that really sucks and I really feel for you. I can just imagine the horrors. And just hopeing it would be just a nightmare and you can wake up OR a bunch of your friends just come out and start laughing at the practical joke. WOW. Sorry to hear that. I did venture to one BBS that I did not know and it was like you described....up stairs in an apartment with no one around. I had my spidey sense up, and was pretty sketch out and scared walking up the stairs. But luckily had girls and I was with another team hawaii friend. I think they avoid you if you are with someone else . Well, maybe not.
Shabah does make some good points about cameras, but maybe the cops are in on it too and get a portion of the loot????? I don't know, and can not help you with that. Try ask Ace Gallant, he has connections with the police and may be able to help you.
Hope you recover and lick your wounds and chalk it up to a learning experience. And thank you very much for sharing, I will certainly say "no" and run away at any smell of danger. Thanks for the reminder, bro, and bringing us back to reality. We owe you one.
dear bros, thank you all for your overwhelming sympathy and support. i really appreciate it. believe me, if i do go back (and i really can't imagine it be the near future), i will be sure to hook up with one of you before exploring bbs. however, they were ready to take down two guys; perhaps three people would be different.
on why i didn't go to the police, the main reason is that prostitution is still nominally illegal in china, even in dongguan. i guess the local police would be pretty sympathetic, but then they could equally have made trouble for me as well. as i got out relatively unrep001hed, i just wanted to avoid trouble and go on with my life. i know some of you disagree with that.
my head is healing nicely, and the mental trauma is beginning to fade. yet, i still find myself getting very nervous when walking alone at night (i am now in another city in china). i suspect i will feel the same way for some time to come.
So what do we need to do to stay safe and avoid theft?
MAYBE.
Leave room card at the front desk when leaving the hotel?
Not carry much cash or any cards?
Carry a cheap phone only?
Can we trust the hotel staff not to open our bedroom safebox?
Some of us think the police might be corrupt and getting kickbacks from the bad guys. Looking for hookers is illegal in China, so that would also cause us not to report.
Allowing criminal gangs to rob visitors in CP will be very bad for local business owners, so the property owners are the ones that need to take action.
Cloud Palms
03-20-09, 06:05
I would suggest to store your most important items - bank cards, passports, cash - in the main hotel safe rather than your room safe to avoid these forced burglary attempts. The hotel staff will usually do a good job making sure it is you before they open your hotel safe to anyone, using a pin # and ID.
If the jerks dont find anything in your room then chances are they will think thats all you have with you.
Please be safe all.
Went to ChangAn with HornyAsianDog yesterday. HAD is a good guy to hang with and CA has superior service in my opinion.
First we went to Golden Coast Spa international Club = 黄金海岸SPA国际会所 = HuangJin HaiAn SPA GuoJi HuiSuo.
Location: on 107/S358 road, about 2 km west of CA downtown (towards Humen)
Large Yellow building
Main number: 0769-81550088
Rooms are small, small bathrooms.
When you walk in, they will try to direct you to the more expensive sauna where the rates are 400, 500, 600 for the girl and 88 for the room. This one is on the second (and upper) floors. They will pretty much deny that there is another sauna in the same building. So you gotta ask them for Tui1Na2 (which implies regular body massage). They will then direct you to rooms on the main floor. Once you get into these rooms, it's pretty obvious it's not just regular body massage. So you ask for full service at this point (Quan2 Tao4) and yes, the manager will bring out sauna girls for your review. Price is 358 all-in, 100 minutes, 2 shots. Girls were so-so looking. I didn't partake, but HAD picked a cute sweetie.
They have foot massage services in the same building, which is where I went.
39 rmb for 1 hour regular foot massage
78 for 2 hours, includes HJ
128 for 90 minutes foot massage, includes HJ with boob massage
168 for 90 minutes foot massage, includes boob massage and BJ
I took the 168 rmb option, curious to see what it would be like. Foot massage itself was surprisingly good, boob massage was a bit silly (not my thing), she insisted covered BJ only which ruined it for me. She said covered BJ is company policy, but relented and did blow me uncovered for maybe 5 minutes and then time was up. Didn't cum. Overall, lousy service as boob massage + BJ part was only about 25 minutes.
We were in a hurry, because the next sauna has a flower street at 6.
The next sauna we went to was Dragon Island Club = 龙岛会 = long2 dao3 hui4.
Location: Across the road from the main entrance of ChangAn hotel (about 20 meters to the right), there is a side street. Go into this side street for 100 meters, LongDaoHui is on the righthand side of the street. ChangAn hotel is on 107/S358 road, in downtown CA.
Main number: 0769-85097777, 0769-85312288
They were supposed to have a flower street show where they parade all the girls (sauna and foot massage girls) on a stage between 6-7 PM. We hurried over from previous sauna session, got there at 6:40 and were told parade was over. Hmmmphhh, that's China service for you.
Left for dinner, 98 rmb all you can eat in a Japanese restaurant. Order off the menu, including sushi items. Not a bad deal.
Went back to LongDaoHui afterwards, did a 2 hour foot massage. Girls weren't very playfull, so that was a dud. Not sure what the point is of a foot massage in CA (or anywhere!) if you can't at least grab the girls boobies and ass.
The next flower street parade was supposed to be at 1 AM, but we didn't want to wait that long (it was 11:20 PM at this point) so we went up and saw some lineups. Quality better than HuangJinHaiAn. Price is 500 all-in (if you call ahead, maybe...). Models available at a higher price, but we didn't bother. I picked number 29. 19 from Sichuan. 5 foot 2, b/c cup, nice curves. Crappy lower teeth though. And hair everywhere: armpits, some on forearms.
The standard fare is: dance/strip for a few minutes, she will then wash/scrub you in the shower, BBBJCIM (captain stressed that this was standard, so all girls must do CIM in this place. None of this "I don't like cum in my mouth" nonsense you get from some CP sauna girls). She kept sucking and licking after I came, on my request, so again much better attitude than CP sauna girls. You can fuck her in the shower too if you want. I declined, I like a good BJ and CIM more than a fuck. She did some steps in the shower already: catbath, toe-sucking, AR.
The clock starts AFTER you come out of the shower. At which point you have 90 minutes left. Overall, I spent 2 hours and 24 minutes in the room. On the bed, she is supposed to do the usual sauna routine. I don't like sticky gel on my body after that nice clean feeling you get from a long shower, so I told her to hold the gel, use warm water if necessary.
Overall, I must say the service and attitude of the girl was excellent. HAD reported the same with his girl. Sauna routine included:
- facial wash and ear picking (I declined)
- setting the soles of your feet on fires by spraying alcohol and holding a lighter to them
- long and deep AR (mmm.... I can still feel that soft, girlie tongue up my ass)
- handstand BJ
After the sauna routine, she blew for about 10 minutes. And then it was on to the FJ. Cowgirl, asian CG, mish, mish with her legs in the air, mish with her legs wrapped around me, mish with her legs behind her ears, doggy on the bed, stand up doggy, doggy with the girl on the big medicine ball (always such a turn on to see the girl having all kinds of problems balancing on the ball while you drill her :-) ), then more doggy on bed, and back to cowgirl.
The phone rang at this point. That doesn't mean time is completely up, it's the 10 minute warning. Had her finish me in cowgirl, and then washed up. All in all a very good sauna experience. Rooms were small though, shower area in bathrooms really small. They are redecorating, the new rooms will be finished "soon".
Playboy2000
03-20-09, 14:09
So detailed. Superb report! Thanks Wadman!
Went to ChangAn with HornyAsianDog yesterday. HAD is a good guy to hang with and CA has superior service in my opinion.
First we went to Golden Coast Spa international Club = 黄金海岸SPA国际会所 = HuangJin HaiAn SPA GuoJi HuiSuo.
Location: on 107/S358 road, about 2 km west of CA downtown (towards Humen)
Large Yellow building
Main number: 0769-81550088
Rooms are small, small bathrooms.
When you walk in, they will try to direct you to the more expensive sauna where the rates are 400, 500, 600 for the girl and 88 for the room. This one is on the second (and upper) floors. They will pretty much deny that there is another sauna in the same building. So you gotta ask them for Tui1Na2 (which implies regular body massage). They will then direct you to rooms on the main floor. Once you get into these rooms, it's pretty obvious it's not just regular body massage. So you ask for full service at this point (Quan2 Tao4) and yes, the manager will bring out sauna girls for your review. Price is 358 all-in, 100 minutes, 2 shots. Girls were so-so looking. I didn't partake, but HAD picked a cute sweetie.
They have foot massage services in the same building, which is where I went.
39 rmb for 1 hour regular foot massage
78 for 2 hours, includes HJ
128 for 90 minutes foot massage, includes HJ with boob massage
168 for 90 minutes foot massage, includes boob massage and BJ
I took the 168 rmb option, curious to see what it would be like. Foot massage itself was surprisingly good, boob massage was a bit silly (not my thing), she insisted covered BJ only which ruined it for me. She said covered BJ is company, but relented and did blow me uncovered for maybe 5 minutes and then time was up. Didn't cum. Overall, lousy service as boob massage + BJ part was only about 25 minutes.
We were in a hurry, because the next sauna has a flower street at 6.
The next sauna we went to was Dragon Island Club = 龙岛会 = long2 dao3 hui4.
Location: Across the road from the main entrance of ChangAn hotel (about 20 meters to the right), there is a side street. Go into this side street for 100 meters, LongDaoHui is on the righthand side of the street. ChangAn hotel is on 107/S358 road, in downtown CA.
Main number: 0769-85097777, 0769-85312288
They were supposed to have a flower street show where they parade all the girls (sauna and foot massage girls) on a stage between 6-7 PM. We hurried over from previous sauna session, got there at 6:40 and were told parade was over. Hmmmphhh, that's China service for you.
Left for dinner, 98 rmb all you can eat in a Japanese restaurant. Order off the menu, including sushi items. Not a bad deal.
Went back to LongDaoHui afterwards, did a 2 hour foot massage. Girls weren't very playfull, so that was a dud. Not sure what the point is of a foot massage in CA (or anywhere!) if you can't at least grab the girls boobies and ass.
The next flower street parade was supposed to be at 1 AM, but we didn't want to wait that long (it was 11:20 PM at this point) so we went up and saw some lineups. Quality better than HuangJinHaiAn. Price is 500 all-in (if you call ahead, maybe...). Models available at a higher price, but we didn't bother. I picked number 29. 19 from Sichuan. 5 foot 2, b/c cup, nice curves. Crappy lower teeth though. And hair everywhere: armpits, some on forearms.
The standard fare is: dance/strip for a few minutes, she will then wash/scrub you in the shower, BBBJCIM (captain stressed that this was standard, so all girls must do CIM in this place. None of this "I don't like cum in my mouth" nonsense you get from some CP sauna girls). She kept sucking and licking after I came, on my request, so again much better attitude than CP sauna girls. You can fuck her in the shower too if you want. I declined, I like a good BJ and CIM more than a fuck. She did some steps in the shower already: catbath, toe-sucking, AR.
The clock starts AFTER you come out of the shower. At which point you have 90 minutes left. Overall, I spent 2 hours and 24 minutes in the room. On the bed, she is supposed to do the usual sauna routine. I don't like sticky gel on my body after that nice clean feeling you get from a long shower, so I told her to hold the gel, use warm water if necessary.
Overall, I must say the service and attitude of the girl was excellent. HAD reported the same with his girl. Sauna routine included:
- facial wash and ear picking (I declined)
- setting the soles of your feet on fires by spraying alcohol and holding a lighter to them
- long and deep AR (mmm.... I can still feel that soft, girlie tongue up my ass)
- handstand BJ
After the sauna routine, she blew for about 10 minutes. And then it was on to the FJ. Cowgirl, asian CG, mish, mish with her legs in the air, mish with her legs wrapped around me, mish with her legs behind her ears, doggy on the bed, stand up doggy, doggy with the girl on the big medicine ball (always such a turn on to see the girl having all kinds of problems balancing on the ball while you drill her :-) ), then more doggy on bed, and back to cowgirl.
The phone rang at this point. That doesn't mean time is completely up, it's the 10 minute warning. Had her finish me in cowgirl, and then washed up. All in all a very good sauna experience. Rooms were small though, shower area in bathrooms really small. They are redecorating, the new rooms will be finished "soon".
Jettsetter
03-21-09, 01:11
Last night, I had the pleasure of meeting BigSwingingDave; JimTraveller; SEAJ and some others to the Plutocrat. While I've heard mixed reviews about this place, I was sure that with the Sheriff in town (SEAJ), we would have a great time, and not deal with all the BS where random mommies and managers come in an drink up all our alcohol, order random stuff, etc.
The only bad thing about Pluto is that the lineup is fairly limited. But arriving at around 7 p.m., there's still a fairly good pick of gals, and given the ability to have them strip down, I was sure to look for gals that had something to show off and grab. As the others can attest, I tried to go for the nicer racks.
I also tend to look for gals with good attitudes, as my night in bed, usually is a direct correlation of how they act in general. Bitchy and a bad lay or happy and a good lay. Most of the time, it's a direct correlation, but I've had some gals who have been GREAT at conning me... oh well... I leave those up to my bad interviewing skills, as I've really tried to hone it over the years.
Needless to say, we had no problems through the night. Most of us picked two gals each, had fun times playing random dice games, not just the traditional liar's dice, which I'm not a huge fan of.
Great to hook up with cool ISGers with a common bond, no problems and personalities that match fairly well.
Nights like that, with a meshing of good personalities, are what makes up a great night at a KTV setting...
SEAJ... next time, I'm hoping to hear some 80's rock or something... haha...
-Jett
Pointpanic
03-21-09, 03:13
Jett,
Thanks for the update on an old favorite. Was Ivy still there? Never had a chance to hook up with her since Bill Lee left. I know SEAJoe always is willing to sacrifice his inhibitions in order for the rest of us to have a good time there and to get the girls to take it off. He's the best! (What you mean Wadman didn't make your party?) Did Manger Lei Ri Hong (Jetson's pointy haired son ) continue to assist with procuring the KTV room? I know Vickie and Yang Liu are no longer there. I'll be out there 4/12-4/16 at Huihua. Thanks again Buddy, hope to see you in CP sometime.
PP
Last night, I had the pleasure of meeting BigSwingingDave; JimTraveller; SEAJ and some others to the Plutocrat. While I've heard mixed reviews about this place, I was sure that with the Sheriff in town (SEAJ), we would have a great time, and not deal with all the BS where random mommies and managers come in an drink up all our alcohol, order random stuff, etc.
Great to hook up with cool ISGers with a common bond, no problems and personalities that match fairly well.
Nights like that, with a meshing of good personalities, are what makes up a great night at a KTV setting...
SEAJ... next time, I'm hoping to hear some 80's rock or something... haha...
-Jett
My deepest symplathies to you Dagevin for your incident in CP.
Travelling around Latin America I thought that something similar might happen to me sometime and my solution is maintaining double accounts. I have with me the ATM card of the slim account. The fat one remains back home ready to be sent to me if needed.
The other dangerous time is moving from airport-hotel-airport when you travel with all your belongings. I only use legitimate taxis at that time.
Thank you for advising us about the dangers in CP.
El Greco
Dan Hawaii
03-21-09, 23:31
The other dangerous time is moving from airport-hotel-airport when you travel with all your belongings. I only use legitimate taxis at that time.
Thank you for advising us about the dangers in CP.
El Greco
Yup, from airport to hotel is the most dangerous, that's when you have all your cash and baggage. I think going home is less worrisome, cause you spent all your cash. hahaha.
SE Asia Joe
03-22-09, 10:49
Jett,
Thanks for the update on an old favorite. Was Ivy still there? Never had a chance to hook up with her since Bill Lee left. I know SEAJoe always is willing to sacrifice his inhibitions in order for the rest of us to have a good time there and to get the girls to take it off. He's the best! (What you mean Wadman didn't make your party?) Did Manger Lei Ri Hong (Jetson's pointy haired son ) continue to assist with procuring the KTV room? I know Vickie and Yang Liu are no longer there. I'll be out there 4/12-4/16 at Huihua. Thanks again Buddy, hope to see you in CP sometime.
PP
Lei Ri Hong have been promoted and now is now in charge of the whole KTV with only Max Li (???) above him. And he's now cut his "Astro Boy" haircut and sporting a style more in line with his higher stature!!
And yes - as usual I've had to force the issue with the gals for them all to take it off - and of course paid the price by being attacked by all of them.. But what the heck - I managed to cop quite a few titties, bums and even pubes in the process!! All for a good cause I say!! PLus I was with my regular gals - thus really could not go "all the way" with my tom foollery.
Vickie is still here - but working as a gal herself as she could not get enough gals to come under her stable. But she's got her Beau to take care of her so she's OK.
And Jetsetter's observations are not really accurate - as I believe he's not been here in the past. To me - there's a whole lot more gals than in the past and the quality's markedly better. I mean there were some gals who can be qualified as being real stunners and also a troupe of really tall gals - and TALL gals is what the Chinese mongers think sets a higher quality KTV apart.
BTW - the deal now at Fuhao is buy 1 get 1 free instead of 2 fer 1 - but I feel that Fuhao does have more gals who can really chug that beer down - and as such - still not a good idea to get into heavy drinking games at the Fuhao AND always a good idea to watch out for the hanger-ons. I had our DJ post up an actual "Please Do Not Disturb" sign outside our door, and even then, we still had "visits" till I kicked them out. Plus I hope you know that there are actual guys at Fuhao whose ONLY job is to go into peoples' KTV rooms and drink drink drink and encourage occupants to drink. These guys are bad news and totally useless as far as I'm concerned.
Phone me when you get here
SEAJ
Ps. And yes, it was a great time as far as I'm concerned - perhaps since we did not have anybody from the "other board." Some of these Samuel guys are true assholes.
Jettsetter
03-22-09, 19:18
Jett,
Thanks for the update on an old favorite. Was Ivy still there? Never had a chance to hook up with her since Bill Lee left. I know SEAJoe always is willing to sacrifice his inhibitions in order for the rest of us to have a good time there and to get the girls to take it off. He's the best! (What you mean Wadman didn't make your party?) Did Manger Lei Ri Hong (Jetson's pointy haired son ) continue to assist with procuring the KTV room? I know Vickie and Yang Liu are no longer there. I'll be out there 4/12-4/16 at Huihua. Thanks again Buddy, hope to see you in CP sometime.
PP
she moved back to Beijing. i called her while I was here and she hasn't been in the "biz" or at least in CP for quite some time now...
Bigboobman007
03-23-09, 10:30
First we went to Golden Coast Spa international Club = 黄金海岸SPA国际会所 = HuangJin HaiAn SPA GuoJi HuiSuo.
When you walk in, they will try to direct you to the more expensive sauna where the rates are 400, 500, 600 for the girl and 88 for the room. This one is on the second (and upper) floors. They will pretty much deny that there is another sauna in the same building. So you gotta ask them for Tui1Na2 (which implies regular body massage). They will then direct you to rooms on the main floor. Once you get into these rooms, it's pretty obvious it's not just regular body massage. So you ask for full service at this point (Quan2 Tao4) and yes, the manager will bring out sauna girls for your review. Price is 358 all-in, 100 minutes, 2 shots. Girls were so-so looking. I didn't partake, but HAD picked a cute sweetie.
We were in a hurry, because the next sauna has a flower street at 6.
The next sauna we went to was Dragon Island Club = 龙岛会 = long2 dao3 hui4.
Went back to LongDaoHui afterwards, did a 2 hour foot massage. Girls weren't very playfull, so that was a dud. Not sure what the point is of a foot massage in CA (or anywhere!) if you can't at least grab the girls boobies and ass.Great FR. Spot on. Just want to add a few more pointers and options to bros who will be visiting CA Saunas. Sauna is definitely one of my favorite thing to do in CA, other than the naked KTV and footie.
Most sauna establishments are in its own dedicated building unlike those in CP where there are found mostly in hotels. Certain hotels do have them also, the famous one being Guo Ji Hotel at premium price. Like what Wadman mentioned, they have different sets of gals doing different set of services. In general: the footie (supposedly pure massage with you sitting down), massage/tui na etc who does anything from pure massage (you lie down) up to finishing off with BJ, another set of massage gals who will finish off with FJ usually under the same management as the 2nd group and finally, the Sauna service with usually better looking gals than the 3rd group at higher price.
Apart from recommendation from forums, I ask taxi drivers and even the PR of a certain sauna themselves who has a connection of friends working in different saunas. This has worked wonderfully for me. Since I'm quite picky of the type (slim with big boob) of gals I like, I usually go to a sauna, let the PR show me the selection, ask them if they have any others that fit my taste or introduce the most popular gal and they will give me some gals tag numbers to remember because they are either busy or not working that day. 2 reasons: the hottest gals are usually busy and if you book the gal thru the PR before you come, they will not charge you the room fee or at discounted rate. I go thru this with a few places and after some time the gal that I want in the place I visited before free up, I call the PR to book and walaa. Got my gal and at cheaper price. I did this excercise the last time (about 1 month ago) I was there and I was introduced to 2 places I really like: Jin Sha Venice and Jin Zhe Jun. They are both about 10 min ride from the town area. Jin Sha is a sparkling new 5-star joint with a resort feel. The sauna cost about 50rmb more than the other places (400, 500 and 600, depending on the gal quality/height). I didn't try Jin Zhe Jun but did see their selection which are higher in terms of quality and quantity than the joints in the town area. This place has a KTV and hotel in the same complex and probably the same name.
Apart from the places mentioned already, I have been to:
- Pacific/Tai Ping Yang. A pretty good, popular place with good selection of gals.
- Jin Long Dao (Same owner with Long Dao Hui). Sauna gals are brought into together to be shown in a "catwalk" room. They have bath house facilities.
- New Rainbow hotel (opposite Golden Coast). A reasonable selection of gals.
- Dong Hao Hotel and another joint nearby (2 min walk).
- Berlin Hotel. Only provide the 1st 3 sets of service (no sauna). Not much selection of gals.
All the above are in town area.
Here's something interesting. Dong Hao Hotel (more of a sauna than a hotel) has sauna rooms with connecting door. Why is this important? Well, if you go with a buddy, you each select a gal and you can swop the gal if you want within the given time of 2 hrs. So you get to pop 2 gals for the price of 1. Unfortunately, at the time I went there with a buddy, we didn't see many good quality ones so we decided to go to another place. I heard King Long hotel in CP allows you to do this as well with connecting rooms. Any other sauna like this?
I did mention I like to do footie in CA. Here's why. Contrary to Wadman's experience, I never fail to kiss the gals and grab and suck their boobs. A lot of sweet talking and persistence, of course. Also, you have to insist on getting a room for your own, dim the lights and turn off the TV. It's more difficult if you have a buddy together with you altough I did once with 3 guys and our respective footie gals in a room. It's normal if you ask for an du che (massage the stomach) service, which is a cover for massaging dick. The gals are more willing if you intend to extend the session with them which an du che usually starts on the 2nd session but I had no problem getting it in the middle of the 1st session. While an du che is accepted as part of their service, kissing and grabbing the gals are purely their call.
I have done footie in New Rainbow, Pacific and Long Dao Hui. Long Dao Hui being my favorite because they have the best-looking gals. They have the Wang Pai category which are 10rmb more than the normal one with prettier gals. Sauna gals and ambience in Long Dao Hui however, is not the favorites is CA.
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Unless they've raised prices recently, the tip for the girl should have been 400.Thanks guys for the great info here on ISG. Was valuable for my trip to KL last year, though even armed with a knowledge of what to expect (or not) it doesnt always go the way you want. (another story for another thread)
I am staying in May at the Kande Hotel and have read some good things here. Keen to get an update on the 'special massage' situation and anything thats worth knowing in advance as I am staying a few days. Sounds like the Hotel's spa is the safe bet, though by the sounds of it busy. Apart from some handy info to deal with the at the Kande (I am white caucasian with little mandarin) what are the other recommendations..eg: overnight etc
Thanks brothers
Jettsetter
03-25-09, 08:34
so here's a thread starter...
so there are great things about each location that i've been from los, pi, china, as examples... the reason i really enjoyed pi over china to a certain extent, is what to do during the day...
now, i love to monger as much as the next guy, and can get in a good body count over the first few days, but after a few days, my drive diminishes a bit, and popping 2+ times a day becomes more and more difficult or interesting.
so here's the age old question that perhaps we can share locations on, which is, between mongering, and don't get me wrong, let's not stop the discussion on mongering, but what do you guys like to do between sessions?
i mean, ktv'ing at night and bbs runs during the day are great, but they can get expensive and a little boring if you do the same thing every day...
i know one of my favorite things to do is a good footie..
i highly recommend the footie across from lion hotel (formerly the one on the first floor of lucky hotel). the owner - who also owns the hair cut place and spa/salon next to hui mei, created a mega-massage place across from lion, next to the china mobile store, and also bought a hotel down the street.
i saw pictures of the newly built hotel but haven't seen the actual rooms. those rooms ranged in the 200-300 range... might not be a bad alternative, although i'm still waiting to see if they have in-room internet and its speed...
my next favorite thing to do, but this only lasts for about a day is dvd shopping... getting the best and latest and sending the films back home, can take up an afternoon at a good dvd shop. at 5rmb per movie, although some have sported as low as 4rmb per movie, you can't beat the deals out there.
so besides that... i heard there was some go-karting place somewhere.. we've gone bowling before (with pointpanic and crew - that was a blast)...
but are there other areas in and around cp to do some fun stuff with your buddies or even alone...
and if you guys aren't interested in talking about this, no big.. ignore it... i'm more than happy to talk about all the mongering stuff, but would be very interested to see if some folks have discovered some real fun chill places to go while enjoying cp.
p.s. leaving today -at the hkia awaiting my flight. be back in may...
-jett
ManonsanBoy
03-25-09, 09:53
So here's a thread starter...
So there are great things about each location that I've been from LOS, PI, China, as examples... the reason I really enjoyed PI over China to a certain extent, is what to do during the day...
-Jett
Golf Golf and more golf
Thanks guys for the great info here on ISG. Was valuable for my trip to KL last year, though even armed with a knowledge of what to expect (or not) it doesnt always go the way you want. (another story for another thread)
I am staying in May at the Kande Hotel and have read some good things here. Keen to get an update on the 'special massage' situation and anything thats worth knowing in advance as I am staying a few days. Sounds like the Hotel's spa is the safe bet, though by the sounds of it busy. Apart from some handy info to deal with the at the Kande (I am white caucasian with little mandarin) what are the other recommendations..eg: overnight etc
Thanks brothersJust found out that I am staying at Kande International in Huizhou, not Kande Club in Houjie.
Can anyone help with the recommendations there?
Thanks
Fast Eddie 48
03-25-09, 15:54
Golf Golf and more golfManonsanboy,
Thing to do is fishing during the day and go hunting at night .
Fast eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
03-26-09, 09:20
My next favorite thing to do, but this only lasts for about a day is dvd shopping... getting the best and latest and sending the films back home, can take up an afternoon at a good dvd shop. At 5RMB per movie, although some have sported as low as 4RMB per movie, you can't beat the deals out there..............
But are there other areas in and around CP to do some fun stuff with your buddies or even alone...
-Jett
1. You of all people should know that buying pirated DVD's and bringing it across the borders (China/HKG/US) is fraught with dangers of getting nabbed at customs and getting realy heavy duty fines (HK$10,000 per DVD in HKG I've heard etc). And thus you should expand on what you do when "Send the films back home" i.e. do you sent it back on the internet/pack it up and actually mail it back home etc. Would appreciate your "procedures" as I've often wondered what is the best/safest way to do this.
2. You forgot about Saunas!! And chilling out with buddies to swap war stories. And most importantly - working on the gals as a regular person and not just as a WG. Plenty of fringe benefits here - GFE, her taking you to her favorite "things to do when not working" (NOT shopping of course!!) etc etc.
3. I personally find CP a bit of a bore (and of course too much of a tax on my libido) after 2, max 3 days and prefer to take it in small doses. Now I know that for you guys who comes here from far away, it may be more practical to just stay a chunk of days at CP - but perhaps you could stay a couple days, leave most of your luggage with the hotel and make side 2 or 3 day trips to other places such as Zhuhai, GZ, Shenzhen etc. where there is more variety. Guarantee you that after a couple or so days "away" from CP, you'll be raring to go back and do another couple or so days there! I know I find myself doing so after a few days back home in Hong Kong!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
03-26-09, 09:30
Great new Pricing at our favorite dirty legs KTV!!
Yup - the perrennial favorite Swan Lake is having a fire sale to clear stock every night!
The new deal - small room RMB 500 for max 5 guys and drink as much beer as you can!! Their gals not counted whilst gals you take in from outside counts as a guy. Mid size room RMB 800 for 8 guys. RMB 100 for each "additional" guy or outside gal. DJ, food, other liquor besides beer as per consumption.
Lots of new gals I've not seen before at the Swan Lake and all of 'em still as nasty as before!
No more buy 1 get 1 free deal. Gals still 1-3-6 and you still gotta watch out for them disappearing on you! Like I said - NASTY Dirty legs!
SEAJ
P.s. Just watch out for drunks - both gals as well as guys - and nasty stuff on the floor of the bathrooms!
I never had a problem with bringing back DVD's in my luggage to the States. I should mention that the DVD's I have bought are Chinese original movies, not Hollywood, and all have a small shiny seal attached to the label.
The same goes for Chinese music CD's.
Jettsetter
03-26-09, 17:16
1. You of all people should know that buying pirated DVD's and bringing it across the borders (China/HKG/US) is fraught with dangers of getting nabbed at customs and getting realy heavy duty fines (HK$10,000 per DVD in HKG I've heard etc). And thus you should expand on what you do when "Send the films back home" i.e. do you sent it back on the internet/pack it up and actually mail it back home etc. Would appreciate your "procedures" as I've often wondered what is the best/safest way to do this.
2. You forgot about Saunas!! And chilling out with buddies to swap war stories. And most importantly - working on the gals as a regular person and not just as a WG. Plenty of fringe benefits here - GFE, her taking you to her favorite "things to do when not working" (NOT shopping of course!!) etc etc.
3. I personally find CP a bit of a bore (and of course too much of a tax on my libido) after 2, max 3 days and prefer to take it in small doses. Now I know that for you guys who comes here from far away, it may be more practical to just stay a chunk of days at CP - but perhaps you could stay a couple days, leave most of your luggage with the hotel and make side 2 or 3 day trips to other places such as Zhuhai, GZ, Shenzhen etc. where there is more variety. Guarantee you that after a couple or so days "away" from CP, you'll be raring to go back and do another couple or so days there! I know I find myself doing so after a few days back home in Hong Kong!!
SEAJ
Great points - I like side trips, i.e. to GZ, but am rearing to get back to CP for the evening session. In short, I like doing other things, but with my limited time, I want to be sure I'm at CP each night.. sad... but when I'm not in CP, I'm sad :(...
DVD's... Well, we used to carry by hand, dvd's back and while I've "heard" of people getting fined, I actually never met anybody who actually knows of someone personally who got hit with such a fine. And I'm only really talking about bringing it back to the US.
In terms of HK, I find that there's little risk, although I've never had a situation where they actually checked baggage except one time. IN that case they did a random search and it was only through going through one of the old school border crossings (not the new big crossing in Shenzhen).
So procedures for US DVD delivery... it's not that complicated..
We decided that with all the "stories" we heard that we'd rather ship the DVD's back. Now there's a risk you won't get your DVD's, but I've never had that problem. The thing is that we don't send stuff snail mail. We essentially send our DVD's back 2nd day air. The overall result has been very good 100% on my end.
However, this comes at a cost.. basically the shipping doubles the cost of the DVD's, but it's well worth it in my opinion. So while I may buy $100 USD worth of DVD's, it costs another $100 to ship. Oh well, small price to pay for piece of mind.
The shipping company is EMS, which is similar to our DHL...
The DVD shop I go to does everything for me. Don't rely on hotel lobby EMS or handing over your DVD's for them to package. WE used to do that and we found that the EMS guy usually took a few of the DVD's for himself, since there was no recourse.
Find a trustworthy DVD shop - PM if you need to know details. buy your DVD's, have them pack up everything in front of you. I usually remove the boxes, or even have them put it in CD folders for you (they'll do all the legwork), package it in a box, with tape, fill out the EMS slip and get it done on your first few days on your trip.
By the time you get back, your DVD's will be waiting, which is what happened on my most recent trip. Got 100USD worth of DVD's, which is is A LOT of DVD's, and had it waiting for me when I got back.
Now keep in mind, I sent a stack of DVD's to one of my buddies in Houston and he has yet to get his, so I don't know if there's a risk that some of these won't go through. That's always a risk. So buyer be aware!! I'm not guaranteeing this works, but it HAS worked and i"m willing to risk the DVD's now showing up and so is anybody I'm doing this for when they can't make the trip.
If you think about it, at $20 per DVD, that's about 10 DVD's, whilst I'm getting about 100-200 DVD's on average...
I don't know if this will last or whether customs is just way overloaded to check each package. Also this way, I don't have to worry about packing the DVD's (they're heavy), dealing with getting checked, etc. etc...
Hope this sheds some light...
-Jett
Dan Hawaii
03-27-09, 06:17
so here's a thread starter...
so there are great things about each location that i've been from los, pi, china, as examples... the reason i really enjoyed pi over china to a certain extent, is what to do during the day...
now, i love to monger as much as the next guy, and can get in a good body count over the first few days, but after a few days, my drive diminishes a bit, and popping 2+ times a day becomes more and more difficult or interesting.
so here's the age old question that perhaps we can share locations on, which is, between mongering, and don't get me wrong, let's not stop the discussion on mongering, but what do you guys like to do between sessions?
i mean, ktv'ing at night and bbs runs during the day are great, but they can get expensive and a little boring if you do the same thing every day...
i know one of my favorite things to do is a good footie..
i highly recommend the footie across from lion hotel (formerly the one on the first floor of lucky hotel). the owner - who also owns the hair cut place and spa/salon next to hui mei, created a mega-massage place across from lion, next to the china mobile store, and also bought a hotel down the street.
i saw pictures of the newly built hotel but haven't seen the actual rooms. those rooms ranged in the 200-300 range... might not be a bad alternative, although i'm still waiting to see if they have in-room internet and its speed...
my next favorite thing to do, but this only lasts for about a day is dvd shopping... getting the best and latest and sending the films back home, can take up an afternoon at a good dvd shop. at 5rmb per movie, although some have sported as low as 4rmb per movie, you can't beat the deals out there.
so besides that... i heard there was some go-karting place somewhere.. we've gone bowling before (with pointpanic and crew - that was a blast)...
but are there other areas in and around cp to do some fun stuff with your buddies or even alone...
and if you guys aren't interested in talking about this, no big.. ignore it... i'm more than happy to talk about all the mongering stuff, but would be very interested to see if some folks have discovered some real fun chill places to go while enjoying cp.
p.s. leaving today -at the hkia awaiting my flight. be back in may...
-jett
massage spas. i have been to 2 of them, you can relax, excercise, swim, footie, body massage, lounge around, eat, etc... kind of cheap, i know someone can expand on this, cause i'm alittle fuzzy on prices and name of the spas. i don't want to give out wrong info.
i heard there is a mountain/temple you can go sight seeing, never done it, because i'm not a real sightsee-er, cause not too many places can beat hawaii's scenery.
shopping: well, most of the retail outlets are for women, cause they have all the money in that town. but you may be able to find some new thread, shoes, etc... maybe take a trip to sz, it's a shopping haven there.
golfing... supposed to be really badass, like you get a 4-5 star golfcourse, caddy, golfcart, and a personal girl assistant that you can flirt with...., but i heard golfing is really expensive, like 200 usd???
other than mongering, well, i think that's it.
Chang Ping
03-27-09, 08:13
So here's a thread starter...
So besides that... I heard there was some go-karting place somewhere..
-JettCan anyone share more about this go-karting place?
Jim Traveller
03-27-09, 20:12
Wondering what to do during the day eh?
If you are a footie enthusiast like me then the days are taken up in one of the many footie outfits in CP. Hui Hua is my favourite. I have also succumbed to the lure of free food and spent early afternoons at Bao Zhu Ling, across the street from Meriton
If you have a girl with you, then you need to figure out what to do between lunch and dinner. Taking a girl to a footie is not my idea of fun. Kills any opportunity for harmless flirting with the footie girl. Which is half of the fun.
There are two parks in CP. "Yin Xian Shan Zhuan" is an amusement park with a temple on a small mount. The park is a bit run down. The main attraction seems to be various shooting or throwing games that you can find in your county fair. Not my idea of fun but it is something to do. For gilrs that are fresh from the farm this park has some attraction. For those who have been to Shenzhen this is a bit too backward even for the girl. Admission I think is about 30 rmb.
Another nice neighbourhood park is the "Railway Park". Nice lake with pedal boats for rent; a zoo (very lame, to be avoided) that charges a small admission; lots of basketball courts where locals actually experiment with healthy living. Admission is free, the boat rental is not. Take your fresbie or a kite, its like have a stroll in the park with your girlfriend. You will like it if it is your 4th day in CP and your body is longing for some normalcy. Your girl will like it because it is not another restaurant, KTV or footie and she gets feel normal and alive. Both parks are right in CP within a 10-15 rmb cab ride.
Short trips away from CP is recommended. It is nice if you have two couples, cheaper on the transportation and the girls feel better / safer when in the company of other girls. Zhangmutou, rmb 40 taxi ride away, has a famous buddist temple on top of a mountain called "Guan Yin San". It is a good climb if you are out of shape. Could be embarassing if you are caught breathless and your lady friend asks: oh dear, are you OK? However, an afternoon in the sun will definitely improve your spirits and apetite, and by that I don't mean just apetite for food. (to be continued)
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Jim Traveller
03-27-09, 20:35
Continued.
Taking your lady friend to day trips from CP is sure to leave an impression, it is one thing that makes her feel like a real girlfriend, rather than a pro.
Shopping trips should be avoided but if you really want it you can take her to Dong Meng in Shenzhen. It is the same idea as the local Hua Run clothing market but just on a much, much larger scale. Haggling is not going to be easy. The merchants know how to raise the asking price when a girl come shopping with a short-term boyfriend. If you are in a generous mood you might as well say, "here is 1000 rmb and you go girl", staying a few steps behind and watch your girl exercise her business talents. If you are not, then avoid the whole idea altogether.
You can take the girl to "windows of the world" or "happy valley" in Shenzhen, both are sizable amusement parks that are worth at least half a day in each. Admission is like rmb 120 each, and some rides within costs a little extra. The two parks are beside each other but I don't recommend doing both on the same day. They are quite far from the LuoHu station so I'd recommend getting a private car to take you there and pick you up. A return trip should cost between rmb 400-450. If you wish to have a car wait for you and take you around town in shenzhen, and then back to CP, the cost will be rmb 500 for the day.
For those of you not into rollercoaster rides, Windows of the World is a much safer choice than the Happy Valley. Having another couple to go with you adds more fun. Again, if it is your first day in CP you are probably better off unloading your guns at many fine local establishments. Day trips should be far from your mind. However, if you are KTV weary after a few nights of wantoness, and you think you have found the right company and hoping to keep her for a few days, then short trips like these have their place. Once the girl is outside CP, she feels like real girlfriend rather than a short-term rental.
The girls know how they are looked upon by waitresses / normal girls no matter where they go in CP. However, once outside, they can feel a bit relaxed and strangely enough, even a little proud walking around with a boyfriend with means. Perhaps you will be rewarded once you take your lady friend back to the hotel for the night. More likely, both of you will be tired and will fall asleep like two pieces of log. But it will be a different experience, not just another day in CP.
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Playboy2000
03-28-09, 00:12
So, if I understand correctly, if you go into a 5-person room with five guys, everyone drinks beer, you have one DJ for 200 and 300-worth of food, then the total cost is 1000RMB, or 200RMB per person. Sounds like a pretty good deal! Particularly because I prefer beer!
What do you mean by "disappearing on you"?
Great new Pricing at our favorite dirty legs KTV!!
Yup - the perrennial favorite Swan Lake is having a fire sale to clear stock every night!
The new deal - small room RMB 500 for max 5 guys and drink as much beer as you can!! Their gals not counted whilst gals you take in from outside counts as a guy. Mid size room RMB 800 for 8 guys. RMB 100 for each "additional" guy or outside gal. DJ, food, other liquor besides beer as per consumption.
Lots of new gals I've not seen before at the Swan Lake and all of 'em still as nasty as before!
No more buy 1 get 1 free deal. Gals still 1-3-6 and you still gotta watch out for them disappearing on you! Like I said - NASTY Dirty legs!
SEAJ
P.s. Just watch out for drunks - both gals as well as guys - and nasty stuff on the floor of the bathrooms!
SE Asia Joe
03-28-09, 04:25
Golfing... Supposed to be really badass, like you get a 4-5 star golfcourse, caddy, golfcart, and a personal girl assistant that you can flirt with...., but I heard golfing is really expensive, like 200 usd???
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Golfing in China is best experienced thru a friend who is a member of a particular golf club as most of them are private membership. If you go with a friend, then he can get you the "guest" fees which averages RMB 800 weekdays, 1300 week-ends but will include cart, caddy, locker and of course 18 holes. If you are a "walk-in" figure on spending approx RMB 400 more.
Prominent amongst these is of course the Mission Hills complex with 12 - yes, TWELVE - 18 hole courses and is billed as the Largest in the world!
There ARE a few PUBLIC golf courses in China - like the one at the sports complex at LongGang - where a round (with caddy, cart, locker etc) during the week-end can be as low as RMB 580 and weekdays I think about RMB 350. But they've got strange rules like between 9 - 12 am, they will NOT allow any tee-offs - that its suppossed to be "ground Maintenance" period - but which actually is a period of time where "members" (a public course with members????!!) and the local "big wigs" (of course including Government ones!) can have a leisurely round!!
Another way is to go via the local golf shops - just enquire what "special packages" they've got and they'll usually offer you vouchers for play at nearby courses.
We from Hong KOng also arrange via Tour agents who specializes in arranging such in China as well as SE Asia and once you get on their e-mail distribution lists, you'll get regular ads like the following (Apologies to Jackson if this violates ISG rules! )
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Hi dear golfers,
Dong Guan Citic Chang Ping Golf Packages During Easter !!
the date : 10 or 13 Apr 2009
the dollar : $750/pax
the deal :
18 holes green fee, shared caddy and cart, locker
Booking Hotline : 2545 -"date when Hong Kong reverts back to China" - Alice
Or you can send an email to (pls pms me if you want the e-mal address) for booking.
rgds
Jumbo Golf Holdiays
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SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
03-28-09, 04:41
So, if I understand correctly, if you go into a 5-person room with five guys, everyone drinks beer, you have one DJ for 200 and 300-worth of food, then the total cost is 1000RMB, or 200RMB per person. Sounds like a pretty good deal! Particularly because I prefer beer!
What do you mean by "disappearing on you"?
The DJ is 100 - and the gals FROM the SWL are 100-300-600 - and thus you can have 2, 3 or however many to accompany you drinking the night away, and it ain't gonna cost you an arm and a leg; and you will NOT have to pay for whatever beer they consume - or you forcing such down their gullet!!
Disappearing on you means that if they figure you ain't gonna take them for 3 0r 6, that they loose interest (happens a lot if you have multiple gals sitting with you). And if you had made the mistake of having already paid the mommie her 100 sitting fee at the beginning of the night, she will just disappear on you and get back to the viewing bowl to await another BF for the night!! This being so, IMPORTANT that you do not ever agree to hand over your RMB100 to the mommie when you choose your gal and tell her that you will only pay when you leave (Stress to her that you are a KTV patron - otherwise she does have the right to ask for 100 up-front if you're only gonna take her out)
Also, do not make the mistake of picking a gal, and then going off to have dinner/snacks with her before resuming back to the KTV room. The mommie will assume - rightly I think - that you've already gone out and screwed her and thus the gal is deserving of her 300 fee (100 for sitting and 200 for ST) - NO MATTER whether you did do her or not.
SEAJ
Dong Guan Citic Chang Ping Golf Packages During Easter !!
the date : 10 or 13 Apr 2009
Hmmm.... note to self and all those who don't like to fight for space with all those Hongkies: avoid CP during Easter weekend.
Dan Hawaii
03-28-09, 20:24
Continued.
Taking your lady friend to day trips from CP is sure to leave an impression, it is one thing that makes her feel like a real girlfriend, rather than a pro.
Shopping trips should be avoided but if you really want it you can take her to Dong Meng in Shenzhen. It is the same idea as the local Hua Run clothing market but just on a much, much larger scale. Haggling is not going to be easy. The merchants know how to raise the asking price when a girl come shopping with a short-term boyfriend. If you are in a generous mood you might as well say, "here is 1000 rmb and you go girl", staying a few steps behind and watch your girl exercise her business talents. If you are not, then avoid the whole idea altogether.
You can take the girl to "windows of the world" or "happy valley" in Shenzhen, both are sizable amusement parks that are worth at least half a day in each. Admission is like rmb 120 each, and some rides within costs a little extra. The two parks are beside each other but I don't recommend doing both on the same day. They are quite far from the LuoHu station so I'd recommend getting a private car to take you there and pick you up. A return trip should cost between rmb 400-450. If you wish to have a car wait for you and take you around town in shenzhen, and then back to CP, the cost will be rmb 500 for the day.
For those of you not into rollercoaster rides, Windows of the World is a much safer choice than the Happy Valley. Having another couple to go with you adds more fun. Again, if it is your first day in CP you are probably better off unloading your guns at many fine local establishments. Day trips should be far from your mind. However, if you are KTV weary after a few nights of wantoness, and you think you have found the right company and hoping to keep her for a few days, then short trips like these have their place. Once the girl is outside CP, she feels like real girlfriend rather than a short-term rental.
The girls know how they are looked upon by waitresses / normal girls no matter where they go in CP. However, once outside, they can feel a bit relaxed and strangely enough, even a little proud walking around with a boyfriend with means. Perhaps you will be rewarded once you take your lady friend back to the hotel for the night. More likely, both of you will be tired and will fall asleep like two pieces of log. But it will be a different experience, not just another day in CP.
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Yo Jim Traveler, how you doing? Great to hear from you. The amusement park sounds like an awesome idea. Never heard of that one. I did go to the other cheaper parks that you talked about, kind of a lot of locals hang out there, but was kind of fun. When we went, there was some kind of "beer fest" going on. Had all kinds of beer and food vendors and entertainment. However, you should leave before dark, cause the locals get drunk and a bit roudy.
Transporter
03-28-09, 22:28
It is a rare occasion now days that I jump on the forum, and even a rarer occasion that I actually post anything, but since I am sitting here waiting for my ride back to HIA, and I have actually taken advantage (year right) of the special promotion at TEH KTV, I figure I better help out with some information.
Yes there is an all you can drink (fake tsing tao) KTV room. The rooms are all located around the stage area (on purpose of course). And there are 2 sizes; 5 person room for 500rmb, and 8 person room for 800 rmb. The 500 or 800 is for all you can drink beer. But you must be careful, as they count each and every person that comes into the room other than the girls from the club. For example, I invited SEAJoe to stop by (as we always invite others to come on by, have a drink or just chat a bit). He was in the room only for a short time for a quick chat, but he was counted on the final head count. Each person extra (beyond the 5 or 8) will be charged 100 rmb. This is whether they drink or not or anything. Keep in mind it is customary to always properly greet with a toast (so no way of avoiding not drinking).
Now another thing to consider is that the 5 room will come with 1 DJ, and the 8 room will come with 2 DJ's, so for those of you who are not good at math, that means it is 600 rmb and 1000 rmb.
Of course I am writing this for the new guys, the regulars already have a way around most of the problems, as you would normally use your regular DJ, she will of course not count all the little things, as she will always be looking our for your interest.
Conclusion: is it really worth it....it all depends on the people.....does it save money.....sometimes (you might want to try the beer that is all you can drink first)......also keep in mind that the 500 room is a small/medium room, so 5 guys and 5 gals is a little bit small, and same for the 800 room.
Not to sure what to make about the disappearing girl thing. In all my years in CP I have never saw or heard of anyone giving the sitting fee at the beginning of the night. I really can't imagine anyone ever doing such a thing (I apologize to anyone who as done this by mistake). As paying the sitting fee has always been a marker in a sense, just like you give your permission to the girl to change clothes, the paying of the sitting fee is an indication. It is to signify that the girl is free to leave anytime after they receive the sitting fee. Of course many times the girls remain in the room and party with us all night, even go to eat with us afterwards, but at least they know that they won't be going home, and have the opportunity to jump back in the line up if they want to. So in one line, the payment of the sitting fee is an indication for them to leave, or feel free to leave.
Jim Traveller
03-30-09, 23:45
Hey Dan dude,
It looks like you haven't been back for a while. I used to look forward to your regular reports of adventures. Yes, CP does get a little old sometimes. Just half a dozen KTVs and your non-descript sauna, footie, BBS and forgetable restaurants.
Yet each day brings its own surprises and rewards. While I salute the faithful CP stalwarts like Santa, who deligently keeps ISGers in touch, I also revel in the company of dirty old hands like SE Joe. Whom judging by his posts alone one may mistake as being informative but a little cheap (harping on bargains all the time). But beyond the steely post-modern consumerism, good old Joe, as I found him in flesh (and busily getting into flesh) in CP, is just a warm-hearted softy who knows not to take it all too seriously. Cheers to Joe. May the Force be with you.
As to sweet young things like Dan Hawaii, who always seemed to bring sufficient number of groupies on the same flight to start his own party, my feelings are extremely mixed. On the one hand, everyone knows Danny Boy can be the life of the party who knows how to be rowdy in a jovial way. On the other hand, Dan and his buddies incur too much wear and tear on the CP hardware and software. I still get the question from the local talent pool: "Where is your big fella friend, you know, the tall guy with a baby face and walks around with KY Jelly all the time. Tell him I am still sore, fuck! "
Do come back to CP, Dan, but announce your travel plans early. I will try to arrive just a few days before you, and all the damage. So when you roll into town, I can just calmly say hello.
Cheers and play on.
Yo Jim Traveler, how you doing? Great to hear from you. The amusement park sounds like an awesome idea. Never heard of that one. I did go to the other cheaper parks that you talked about, kind of a lot of locals hang out there, but was kind of fun. When we went, there was some kind of "beer fest" going on. Had all kinds of beer and food vendors and entertainment. However, you should leave before dark, cause the locals get drunk and a bit roudy.
Yo Jim Traveler, how you doing? Great to hear from you. The amusement park sounds like an awesome idea. Never heard of that one. I did go to the other cheaper parks that you talked about, kind of a lot of locals hang out there, but was kind of fun. When we went, there was some kind of "beer fest" going on. Had all kinds of beer and food vendors and entertainment. However, you should leave before dark, cause the locals get drunk and a bit roudy.
SE Asia Joe
03-31-09, 11:19
It is a rare occasion now days that I jump on the forum, and even a rarer occasion that I actually post anything, but since I am sitting here waiting for my ride back to HIA, and I have actually taken advantage (year right) of the special promotion at TEH KTV, I figure I better help out with some information.
GREAT that you're back to posting as you DO have a lot of insight - AND experience - that you can give to all of us. Keep it up Porter!
Yes there is an all you can drink (fake tsing tao) KTV room. The rooms are all located around the stage area (on purpose of course). And there are 2 sizes; 5 person room for 500rmb, and 8 person room for 800 rmb. The 500 or 800 is for all you can drink beer. But you must be careful, as they count each and every person that comes into the room other than the girls from the club. For example, I invited SEAJoe to stop by (as we always invite others to come on by, have a drink or just chat a bit). He was in the room only for a short time for a quick chat, but he was counted on the final head count. Each person extra (beyond the 5 or 8) will be charged 100 rmb. This is whether they drink or not or anything. Keep in mind it is customary to always properly greet with a toast (so no way of avoiding not drinking).
Now another thing to consider is that the 5 room will come with 1 DJ, and the 8 room will come with 2 DJ's, so for those of you who are not good at math, that means it is 600 rmb and 1000 rmb.
Ooooops!! Sorry about that - them S.O.B.s' The NERVE they've got charging for me. These mommies/managers at the SWL really don't know how to do business. And here's another expample of how stupid they are!!
I went in to SWL last night and clarified about the 500 and 800 "deals." Turns out that my previous impression and what we've both written about is not 100% accurate. The $500 for 5 people in the small room is correct - but for the $800 deal in the mid sized room - THIS ONLY APPLIES FOR FIVE (5) guys and NOT for EIGHT guys. So if you have 8 guys, the charge goes up to $800 + 300 (3 extra guys) + 200 (2 DJ's) = $1,300. If you have 8 guys and is in the small room - then the charge would be 500 + 300 (3 extras guys) + 100 (1 DJ). Their reasoning being that they're 'giving up" a mid sized room i/o a small one. Chinese Economics at work here!!
Of course I am writing this for the new guys, the regulars already have a way around most of the problems, as you would normally use your regular DJ, she will of course not count all the little things, as she will always be looking our for your interest.
Conclusion: is it really worth it....it all depends on the people.....does it save money.....sometimes (you might want to try the beer that is all you can drink first)......also keep in mind that the 500 room is a small/medium room, so 5 guys and 5 gals is a little bit small, and same for the 800 room.
Not to sure what to make about the disappearing girl thing. In all my years in CP I have never saw or heard of anyone giving the sitting fee at the beginning of the night. I really can't imagine anyone ever doing such a thing (I apologize to anyone who as done this by mistake). As paying the sitting fee has always been a marker in a sense, just like you give your permission to the girl to change clothes, the paying of the sitting fee is an indication. It is to signify that the girl is free to leave anytime after they receive the sitting fee. Of course many times the girls remain in the room and party with us all night, even go to eat with us afterwards, but at least they know that they won't be going home, and have the opportunity to jump back in the line up if they want to. So in one line, the payment of the sitting fee is an indication for them to leave, or feel free to leave.
Well - unfortunately this did happen - and I apologize to those affected as I had to leave that afternoon and just went ahead and booked the room for them WITHOUT fully explaining the ins and outs (Jeez - RTFF?? Betcha they wished they did that evening!!). They came to SWL, chose the gals and succumbed easily to the Mommie's demands for $100 up-front. And some of these guys had taken 2 gals and of course the one who "perceives" she ain't gonna be taken for ST/LT would rather go back to the "Display room" than sit and drink with the guy.
And then, a worse thing. After selecting the gals, some of them went ahead and decided to take the gals out for dinner. When time came to pay the bill the mommie asked for another $200 ($300 is sitting plus ST fee at SWL) )- presuming that when the guy took the gal out from the SWL - that they went and popped them. (Quite rightly actually!!)
What a right royal mess - and I only heard about it all the next time I came there.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
03-31-09, 11:28
BTW - was at SWL at 7 pm last night and was greeted at the door by a mommie complaining loudly (they ARE loud - these mommies at SWL) - Damn Damn Damn - all these new gals not knowing anything and NO customers!!
And sure enough, when I went upstairs, the room was chock-a-block full of gals and there were a helluva lot of new faces there. Bit of good news for you guys thinking of coming to CP - and I KNOW you thundering herds ARE coming for the Canton Trade Fair aintcha??!!
In fact, the Miraton just told me that their rates are straight back up to $358 ++ for the whole of April - just coz of you guys coming. Jeez!!
SEAJ
Flyguy 1974
03-31-09, 16:41
Was in CP early this month for a night stay. Went to hui hwa karaok but room was fully booked. Finally the kind manager was very helpful to get us a room at other floors. Girls selection was limited due to weekend. I was told by the manager that "tao Yuang" and "Prince" offer a better selection of girls. Any bro can confirm that? I need recommendations as in which KTV provides high quality girls.
Dan Hawaii
03-31-09, 20:39
Hey Dan dude,
It looks like you haven't been back for a while. I used to look forward to your regular reports of adventures. Yes, CP does get a little old sometimes. Just half a dozen KTVs and your non-descript sauna, footie, BBS and forgetable restaurants.
Yet each day brings its own surprises and rewards. While I salute the faithful CP stalwarts like Santa, who deligently keeps ISGers in touch, I also revel in the company of dirty old hands like SE Joe. Whom judging by his posts alone one may mistake as being informative but a little cheap (harping on bargains all the time). But beyond the steely post-modern consumerism, good old Joe, as I found him in flesh (and busily getting into flesh) in CP, is just a warm-hearted softy who knows not to take it all too seriously. Cheers to Joe. May the Force be with you.
As to sweet young things like Dan Hawaii, who always seemed to bring sufficient number of groupies on the same flight to start his own party, my feelings are extremely mixed. On the one hand, everyone knows Danny Boy can be the life of the party who knows how to be rowdy in a jovial way. On the other hand, Dan and his buddies incur too much wear and tear on the CP hardware and software. I still get the question from the local talent pool: "Where is your big fella friend, you know, the tall guy with a baby face and walks around with KY Jelly all the time. Tell him I am still sore, fuck! "
Do come back to CP, Dan, but announce your travel plans early. I will try to arrive just a few days before you, and all the damage. So when you roll into town, I can just calmly say hello.
Cheers and play on.
I might be coming to CP with a bunch of Hawaii guys ending of may or beginning of June. I hope you, SEAJ, and the regulars are in town, would be nice partying up with "normal" people;). Thanks for the post, gave me a big laugh.
I'm I the only one that walks around with KY Jelly? I thought that was normal CP battle gear? Just like a couple of condoms in the wallet? Hahaha.
SEAJ, he's a "love sick" character. I guess CP let's him take his frustrations out on the female species. Hahaha. Just kidding SEAJ, you one fun loving dude. Hope to party with you and your posie again.
P.S.
I was wondering if you had Horse's, email address. He did not subscribe to ISG , so I have no way of contacting him.
Flyguy 1974
04-01-09, 13:57
BTW - was at SWL at 7 pm last night and was greeted at the door by a mommie complaining loudly (they ARE loud - these mommies at SWL) - Damn Damn Damn - all these new gals not knowing anything and NO customers!!
And sure enough, when I went upstairs, the room was chock-a-block full of gals and there were a helluva lot of new faces there. Bit of good news for you guys thinking of coming to CP - and I KNOW you thundering herds ARE coming for the Canton Trade Fair aintcha??!!
In fact, the Miraton just told me that their rates are straight back up to $358 ++ for the whole of April - just coz of you guys coming. Jeez!!
SEAJThe rate for Hui hwa will go up to the same rate as miraton too in the month of April because of the canton fair. Btw bro joe where is this SWL? I'm in KTV so appreciate if you could give me some advise on KTV in CP. Which KTV provide high quality girls or models? I believe the price will be different from the standard 200-500-800, right?
Jettsetter
04-01-09, 17:25
Looks like I and some others will be back in CP come early/mid May. Anyone else going to be in town. Last time, I had a blast with the ISG crew i met out there... hope to repeat the good times.
After this trip, I'm going to have to hold out until September until I return again. So sad.
Is it just me or does everyone get withdrawals when they're not in happyland?
-Jett
Dan Hawaii
04-01-09, 20:15
Is it just me or does everyone get withdrawals when they're not in happyland?
-Jett
I get nightmares all the time. I dream I'm in CP and then I wake up to find myself in paradise (Hawaii), and that's when the nightmare begins. I wish I could sleep all week. ;) haha.
I might just miss you in CP, think we are going to go beginning of June, I'll let you know when our plans get a bit firmer.
Dan Hawaii
04-01-09, 20:23
The rate for Hui hwa will go up to the same rate as miraton too in the month of April because of the canton fair. Btw bro joe where is this SWL? I'm in KTV so appreciate if you could give me some advise on KTV in CP. Which KTV provide high quality girls or models? I believe the price will be different from the standard 200-500-800, right?
SWL is Joe's abbreviation of Swan Lake KTV, BBS, and Hotel. It's in the Yalan area. From yalan BBS, walk 1/3 towards Penninsula hotel. On the same street as Jia Yi.
As for model girls, they are just taller, not neccesarily prettier. IMHO, it is not worth it to go and search out these model girls or to pay the higher prices that they demand.
SE Asia Joe
04-02-09, 06:27
The rate for Hui hwa will go up to the same rate as miraton too in the month of April because of the canton fair. Btw bro joe where is this SWL? I'm in KTV so appreciate if you could give me some advise on KTV in CP. Which KTV provide high quality girls or models? I believe the price will be different from the standard 200-500-800, right?
I see that you were in Zhuhai/CP early last month KTV'ing and doing the saunas etc. How about you writing reports about your adventures to let us all know the ins and outs of the particular establishment/experience you partook of.
That is how ISG works - you write about your experiences and the rest of us learn; and thus on your question about KTV recommendations - you'll be able to find out everything you wanted to know if you would go back 10 or 20 pages here.
What do you think?? Fair enough??
SEAJ
Member #4515
04-02-09, 08:26
As there are few girls in CP are willing to shvae. I finally found one who is happy to do it.
Hi Guy's
I go to Houjie every week and cannot find a BBS, Does anyone know if they exsist in Houjie, I would love to find a english speaking regular but that is hard to do. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Maverick2004
04-02-09, 10:04
Guys,
Does anyone have any experience in hiring an interpreter cum companion (female ofcourse) for their short business visits and what are the chances of the person actually becoming your companion for all matters tthroughout your stay of the few days. Is it the norm or an exception.
Any suggestions or experiences?
Socrates69
04-03-09, 03:43
Dear Bros, I debated with myself for a long time on whether to write the following post. On the one hand, this is important information for CP mongers. On the other hand, I made some very stupid mistakes, and am deeply shameful of it. Nonetheless, in the interest of public knowledge, I give the following horrifying account. Feel free to deride me for my mistakes.
Two days ago, I finished lunch at the Yunnan rice noodle place on Zhongyuan St. (the main street) and contemplating a trip to Huimei for a sauna. A tall woman with long legs approached me and gave me the usual "do you want to see some girls. " I really hesitated because it was going to be my sauna day, but curiosity got the best of me. She was pretty good looking for a mommy, so I followed her. We did NOT head behind the Huimei to the usual BBS. Instead, we headed the other direction into the street next to the two-story Taiwanese restaurant into a residential neighborhood. That didn't alarm me as I have followed plenty of mommies into residential neighborhood for a viewing. We arrived at a residential apartment; she opened the door and started heading upward to the fourth floor. Again, this did not alarm me because I have done that plenty of time. What should have alarmed me is the complete absence of other people in any of the other floors. We arrived at an apartment; she opened the door. THERE WERE NO GIRLS, but she said that "go on in, the girls are in the next room. " I have replayed this scene in my head a thousand times since then and wished so much that some small alarmed had sounded in my head at that time, but it did not.
I stepped across the threshold and the horror began. She slammed the door shut, locked it, and three guys emerged from the next room holding a hammer, a iron pipe and a the iron thing you put on your fist. I panicked, and my first thought was that they will kill me, so I STRUGGLED and SCREAMED. That was a big mistake; they began to beat on me with all of their weapons, focusing on my head. Another guy emerged from the other room and joined in. Eventually, someone put their knee on my neck, and I was losing consciousness, so I stopped resisting as they put tape around my ankles. Fortunately, I spoke Chinese, and I soon apologized to them and promised that I won't resist further. The beating stopped. Blood was flowing freely from my head, soaking one side of my jacket. Facing me were four hard-looking peasant type, one of them perhaps looking a bit sophisticated. They were still mad that I had resisted. I pled with them that I panicked because this had never happened to me. I was sobbing uncontrollably, so they relaxed somewhat and began to lay down the law for me. "If you cooperate, we will not harm you, but if you don't, we will kill you. "
They searched through my stuff and immediately grabbed my wallet and my phone. My phone was old, so they just took the sim card out and laid it aside. They took the 2000 or so I carried, but also dug everything else out. I didn't carry any bank card but had my hotel key, so they asked "what do you have in your hotel? " By then a bit more calm, I said nothing; they can look themselves. I had some more money, but it was not in the safe, but hidden somewhere in the luggage. I was betting that if they didn't find anything in the safe, they may not find my other money, passport and bank cards. They took my key and went to my hotel to search it. The bleeding in my head slowed, and I was not dizzy, suggesting that I didn't get a concussion. I was a bit relieved by that. An hour or so later, the searchers called the people in the locked room saying that they found some money and my cards.
The next round of nightmare then began. With my wallet and money from my room, they had over 8000 RMB, but their main objective is to drain their victims' bank accounts as much as possible. They were NOT interested in the credit cards. They are not Russians and are not interested in selling credit card numbers on the internet. They were however very interested in the debit cards, of which I had two, both for US based bank accounts. They immediately asked me menacingly of the code. I told them honestly and told them to get cash from machines with a VISA sign. On the first trip, they failed to get any money. I was honestly puzzled by why that was the case, but they were not happy about that at all. The head person once again threatened to beat me, and in fact kicked me very hard. However, I sobbed and told them the code again, and also told him that he must go to a VISA linked machine to get cash. In the mean time, I tried very hard to befriend two of the guys there, who seemed a bit nicer. I think I was somewhat successful, and I told them about my own family. Etc. Then, my luck turned further as they got another person to step across the threshold, so they were distracted for another hour trying to get money and PIN from the other person, who was from Hong Kong.
However, around 4pm, the head guys went to the ATM again, and failed to get money again. Needless to say, he was pretty pissed off and threatened to beat me again, but by this time, the other two guys, seeing my uncontrollable sobbing, tried to persuade his elder brother that I was telling the truth. The questioning dragged on for another hour, and I swore that I didn't know why they couldn't get money from the accounts. Seriously, I didn't know why and was deathly afraid that they would kill me in anger. My pleading finally managed to persuade them to give up questioning me. It helped that they got some money from the other person's bank account. Around 7pm, they cut loose the other person and left the room altogether, leaving me and the other victim to free ourselves. We left the chamber of horror and smoked cigarettes furiously. My head was still bleeding a bit, but my fellow victim was kind enough to direct me to a clinique, where I got some treatment. I was very shaken when I returned to the hotel. I wanted to leave right then, but I was too exhausted, so I showered, locked the door and slept, leaving the next day. Some observations:
1. It was a small organization. They claimed they are a part of a large network, but I never saw any communication with anyone higher up. They were very ignorant of how bank cards worked. It turns out that they weren't able to take any money out because they didn't know what a checking account was. Peasants always save money in savings account, and I didn't have any money in the savings account for that one account. For the other card, Citibank does not allow overseas access to savings account from non Citibank ATMs.
2. They are looking for quick bucks. Had I known this, I wouldn't have panicked and resisted. They only want quick money; they don't want the messiness of killing or kidnapping someone, unless they are convinced that you are super rich. But they told me that they let a few Taiwanese bosses go after getting a few tens of thousands from them.
3. There are many victims. During our conversations, one of the guys told me that sometimes they go through five guys a day, and they have been doing this for a few months. Thus, there are hundreds of victims out there. I think they probably would try to avoid Caucasians, but they told me they have victimized Malaysian, Singaporeans, Taiwanese, Japanese, and of course HK mongers. In fact, they also got two other guys, but these two were smart enough to not step across the threshold, but if they had, they would have gotten four people in one day.
4. They left victims with some money. They didn't take my laptop computer and left me 500 RMB. I think they intuitively know that if they took everything, the victims will have no choice but to go to the police. With the 500, I could easily go back to any of the major airports in the area.
Fellow CP mongers, I don't think this mean we shouldn't have fun in CP any more, but I certainly will never again go to a BBS in an unestablished area. I will only go to saunas and BBS behind Huimei and in Yalan. I also will not go into anywhere without seeing a few girls there. Also, for Joe and the other regulars, you should tell BBS owners that this is extremely bad for business, and people will be afraid to play through the BBS and will only go to saunas and KTVs. In general, I feel that law and order are degenerating in southern China, and I will avoid it for the next few months. I am still very shaken by this incident, and flash backs continue to haunt me. I hope no one will experience the horror that I experienced.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.This goes along with what I posted years ago. A friend of mine knew someone who got kidnapped when he hailed a taxi van. What happened was, he hailed a taxi solo, then as he stepped in, a few meatheads came out of the woodworks and entered the van with him. He was taken for the million dollar ride, kidnapped when reaching the daily max, then rince and repeat the next day until funds were exhausted. Good to know what can happen so you can try your best to safeguard from those situations.
Thanks for the warning.
SE Asia Joe
04-03-09, 03:50
As there are few girls in CP are willing to shvae. I finally found one who is happy to do it.
One more mutilated gal off the market.
SEAJ
As there are few girls in CP are willing to shvae. I finally found one who is happy to do it. Hey SEAJ
Just another one going over to the "smooth side". No more choking on furr balls.come on SEAJ. You got to admit that it looks very sexxyyyy. If we get a few converts a day. And them showing the other gals how nice it looks. In a few months we will have a few thousand converts, by year end tens of thousand of convert.
Come over to the smooth side SEAJ
Jim Traveller
04-03-09, 20:55
That is a little tough, dude. For girls with truly great language skills, they don't need to "do" their customers. I have known of one girl in CP that can speak good English - that is the exception rather than the norm.
Take you phrasebook or pocket translator, I have known ISGer using that to pick up women will astonding success!
Guys,
Does anyone have any experience in hiring an interpreter cum companion (female ofcourse) for their short business visits and what are the chances of the person actually becoming your companion for all matters tthroughout your stay of the few days. Is it the norm or an exception.
Any suggestions or experiences?
Flyguy 1974
04-04-09, 05:24
I see that you were in Zhuhai/CP early last month KTV'ing and doing the saunas etc. How about you writing reports about your adventures to let us all know the ins and outs of the particular establishment/experience you partook of.
That is how ISG works. You write about your experiences and the rest of us learn; and thus on your question about KTV recommendations. You'll be able to find out everything you wanted to know if you would go back 10 or 20 pages here.
What do you think? Fair enough?
SEAJMy last trip started with zhuhai.
Day 1- We stayed at a 3 star hotel called "hong Tun" where the next door is the infamous "wang Fu KTV ". This hotel is value for money as it was just being renovated not too long ago therefore rooms are pretty good in conditions. We checked in at about 8. 30pm and then adjourned for dinner. By the time we came back to Wang Fu KTV it was already 10. 30pm. Girls selection were very limited. The good one have been taken and the left over was not to our liking (5-6/10). The KTV manager was then brought in a few of the so called "grade A" models (7-8/10) charging for 1300RMB overnight. Wihout much choices we took the girls. Mine ws not too bad at all as I have 3 rounds with the girl. However my friend was complaining about his one being a dead fish.
Day 2- The next day we took a van from zhuhai to changping which cost us about RMB550. After checking into the hotel we straight went to hui hwa KTV at about 6. 30pm. To our surprise all rooms were full. It was a Saturday night and we were told that room will normally run-out. However, the manager still managed to squeeze out a room for us at the end. Girls were ranging btw 6 to 7 and I managed to find a 7, but the downside was their height! I prefer tall with sexy body The KTV manager was kind to inform us that we can get a better selection of girls at the "Prince" and "tao Yuang" KTV. Any bro can confirm this?
Day 3- We took the same van back to zhuhai. Me and my friend decided to visit the infamous sauna at Changann new world hotel. We were offered RMB330 for 1 and half hour body mssg. The girl I got is pretty (8/10) with fair complexion sexy body but what I like most is her boobs (34C), soft and firm! I actually booked her out for the night with RMB1000. This girl is just simply irresistable.
Day 4. Return trip
It was a great experience for the 4 days 3 nights in zhuhai and changping. But we did not have the chance to further explore changping especially the KTVs. We will be going to the cantonfair middle of this month and will stay at hui hwa for 3 nights. Thus, I hope bro joe can share with me some advice and recommendations on KTV and BBS!
In fact learning from some posts here I know about. Jia yi (tao yuang KTV), Royal paradise KTV with their models selection. Btw, is "prince" KTV " still woth exploring?
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Old Mean Dog
04-04-09, 18:05
Guys,
Does anyone have any experience in hiring an interpreter cum companion (female ofcourse) for their short business visits and what are the chances of the person actually becoming your companion for all matters tthroughout your stay of the few days. Is it the norm or an exception.
Any suggestions or experiences?
If your looking for someone to truly be an interpreter rather than a ***** who speaks English, I suggest you go to one of the 3-4 English Training Centers in CP and see if anyone is looking for some work. There is 2 in the shopping mall behind the Lion Hotel, I know of for sure.
Good Luck,
-CPE
Pointpanic
04-04-09, 18:36
This goes along with what I posted years ago. A friend of mine knew someone who got kidnapped when he hailed a taxi van. What happened was, he hailed a taxi solo, then as he stepped in, a few meatheads came out of the woodworks and entered the van with him. He was taken for the million dollar ride, ......Good to know what can happen so you can try your best to safeguard from those situations.
Thanks for the warning.
After reading this does anyone have a reliable taxi service or driver from Shenzhen Airport to Hui Hua on a late Sunday afternoon run? Been doing it with SEAJ's assisatance via phone but I get real nervous at the meeting place right outside the terminal exit ramp where the drivers bid for fares. I try to stick with the original tout but there's no sense of a company to rely on like Eternal East. Each trip has been safe and on time with no rip offs so far. Arriving 4-12 to 4-16.
PP
PP
Not sure if this will help.
I got a ride from HKIA to and from Shenzhen last year - good price efficient.
Shenzhen JL Tour in CP hotel building ph + 86 755 822 00565 organized this - if you call them they do organize trips to other places in a van with their driver.
BSK
After reading this does anyone have a reliable taxi service or driver from Shenzhen Airport to Hui Hua on a late Sunday afternoon run? Been doing it with SEAJ's assisatance via phone but I get real nervous at the meeting place right outside the terminal exit ramp where the drivers bid for fares. I try to stick with the original tout but there's no sense of a company to rely on like Eternal East. Each trip has been safe and on time with no rip offs so far. Arriving 4-12 to 4-16.
PP
Dan Hawaii
04-05-09, 19:34
If your looking for someone to truly be an interpreter rather than a ***** who speaks English, I suggest you go to one of the 3-4 English Training Centers in CP and see if anyone is looking for some work. There is 2 in the shopping mall behind the Lion Hotel, I know of for sure.
Good Luck,
-CPE
One of the schools is owned by a dude named Ken. Nice guy, Horse38 knows him well. He knows alot about the p4p girls in CP cause he probably participates, haha. He's in his late 30's I presume. And he might recommend a girl that may fill both needs. It would be a good idea to negotiate everything up front, it may cost you an arm and a leg, though.
SE Asia Joe
04-06-09, 07:02
After reading this does anyone have a reliable taxi service or driver from Shenzhen Airport to Hui Hua on a late Sunday afternoon run? Been doing it with SEAJ's assisatance via phone but I get real nervous at the meeting place right outside the terminal exit ramp where the drivers bid for fares. I try to stick with the original tout but there's no sense of a company to rely on like Eternal East. Each trip has been safe and on time with no rip offs so far. Arriving 4-12 to 4-16.
PP
Following from the airport info
Boarding Info
1. From Luohu check point to Hualian Mansion, in addition to taxi, one can take No. 215 and get off at the station of "Xinhua Hotel" or take No.25 and No. 12 and get off at the station of "Technology Gallery".
2. One who holds the ticket of FM, MF, 3C and HU gets off at waiting hall of terminal A, please. And the passengers who hold the tickets of ZH, CA, MU, SC and international fligts get off at waiting hall of terminal B, please.
3. Ticket Inquiry: Send FP# Enterprise Num# Class Num# Invoice Num to 0958077(Mobile), 801877(Unicom) or login www.szds.gov.cn
Schedule Table
Start From Destination Departure Time(1st Bus) Arrival Time(Last Bus) Bus fare
(RMB 20) Remark
Hualian Mansion Shenzhen Airport 6：20 20：30 20 The bus runs every 20 minutes and the estimated journey takes 35 minutes,with no stops halfway.One can take the bus 2 hours before the departure time of his/her flight.
Shenzhen Airport Hualian Mansion 7：30 Till no flights The destination of the bus is Hualian Mansion,via Guangzhou-Shenzhen expressway,the station of Zhuzi Lin,and the station of Investment Building. After 7:00pm(referring to departure time), the route will be extended to Ludan Village and Forum Hotel (West Square of Railway Station)
You then hop on the SZ-DGG RMB 40/45 train and reach CP within 30 minutes. Sunday afternoon SHOULD be OK as far as traffic is concerned - but I'd figure on a bit more than the 35 minutes mentioned. So if everything goes to plan, you could make the whole thing within the same or even less time frame as if you were taking a taxi direct Airport - CP, a helluva lot cheaper too RMB 20 + 40/45) and probably less "scary" (Yeah, no probs up to now with taking the taxi - but times are getting harder here and some nasty things' been happenin' - so one cannot be faulted for erring on the side of caution).
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-06-09, 07:28
My last trip started with zhuhai.
Day 1- We stayed at a 3 star hotel called "hong Tun" where the next door is the infamous "wang Fu KTV ". This hotel is value for money as it was just being renovated not too long ago therefore rooms are pretty good in conditions. We checked in at about 8. 30pm and then adjourned for dinner. By the time we came back to Wang Fu KTV it was already 10. 30pm. Girls selection were very limited. The good one have been taken and the left over was not to our liking (5-6/10). The KTV manager was then brought in a few of the so called "grade A" models (7-8/10) charging for 1300RMB overnight. Wihout much choices we took the girls. Mine ws not too bad at all as I have 3 rounds with the girl. However my friend was complaining about his one being a dead fish.
First thing first - thanks for going along with my suggestion.... and a bit of observation. Prices in China are all over the place, but to have to fork over RMB1,300 in Zhuhai seems to me to be way excessive. As wide the choices are in China - I would strongly suggest that you should avoid paying close to US$200.00 for a gal - espcecially in sothern China. For that price, you could have gotten Grade A meat in Macau with all the bells and jingles!! Please don't spoil the market for us guys here who needs to partake of the local produce quite regularly.
Day 2- The next day we took a van from zhuhai to changping which cost us about RMB550. After checking into the hotel we straight went to hui hwa KTV at about 6. 30pm. To our surprise all rooms were full. It was a Saturday night and we were told that room will normally run-out. However, the manager still managed to squeeze out a room for us at the end. Girls were ranging btw 6 to 7 and I managed to find a 7, but the downside was their height! I prefer tall with sexy body The KTV manager was kind to inform us that we can get a better selection of girls at the "Prince" and "tao Yuang" KTV. Any bro can confirm this?
Zhuhai- CP takes at least 2-1/2 hours and the cost is high as they need to go over the Humen Bridge which charges an arm and a leg. I'd not make such a journey unless you were gonna stay at least a couple days as you'd be wasting too much time.
Friday and Saturday nights ARE prime times in CP and very hard to book a room at the more popular KTV's. Other nights, everybody practically begs you to book a room!
Rates at most CP KTV's are 2-5-8, some 1-3-6 and the higher priced 3-6-9 or more at Crown Prince in HaungJiang (this must be the Prince you refer to) or Goodview in Tangxia (both 20-30 minutes away from CP).
Your Tao Yuang - you must be referring to the Tao Yuan KTV at the Jia Yi Hotel - and this is where the 800 girls "flower street" is at. (Yes, at least 800 gals all lined up in a big hall starting at 6:30 and you walk thru there like a kid in a candy store picking up your own sweetness for the night!!)
Day 3- We took the same van back to zhuhai. Me and my friend decided to visit the infamous sauna at Changann new world hotel. We were offered RMB330 for 1 and half hour body mssg. The girl I got is pretty (8/10) with fair complexion sexy body but what I like most is her boobs (34C), soft and firm! I actually booked her out for the night with RMB1000. This girl is just simply irresistable.
Day 4. Return trip
It was a great experience for the 4 days 3 nights in zhuhai and changping. But we did not have the chance to further explore changping especially the KTVs. We will be going to the cantonfair middle of this month and will stay at hui hwa for 3 nights. Thus, I hope bro joe can share with me some advice and recommendations on KTV and BBS!
In fact learning from some posts here I know about. Jia yi (tao yuang KTV), Royal paradise KTV with their models selection. Btw, is "prince" KTV " still woth exploring?
Expect higher hotel prices in CP during the Canton Trade Fair - even though it's a distance away from GZ.
Please do Read the forum some more - in fact - lots more - as most of your questions are already answered. And please do not forget to post subsequent reports - after all, this is what ISG is all about.
Anyway, please note that Chang Ping is (in most of us Southern China mongers' mind) the best place for all sorts of KTV, the most convenient BBS's (most within walking distance and are a little bit more used to catering to foreigners than other locales), great Footies and OK Saunas.
Chang An is great for the naked KTV's but you'd need to have your own car to get around, whilst Zhuhai is of course Sauna heaven.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-06-09, 09:29
Hey SEAJ
Just another one going over to the "smooth side". No more choking on furr balls.come on SEAJ. You got to admit that it looks very sexxyyyy. If we get a few converts a day. And them showing the other gals how nice it looks. In a few months we will have a few thousand converts, by year end tens of thousand of convert.
Come over to the smooth side SEAJ
BnLee - you ain't never heard of washing them all up first?? And getting rid of any and all loose hair in the process?? And you would actually go down on any and all WG?? You're a much braver man than I for sure!!
And NO - it does NOT look sexy at all - it look like a nasty plucked chicken - same texture, same feel and same look! YUCK!!! And after a few days or week - its actually downright nasty - all scratchy to the touch, sandpapers my groin (and your face I guess!!) and looks like mouldy peace of shit!
And then them nicks and scratches and cuts!! OHMIGAWD - harboring all 'em germs and nastiness - and cracking open when mounted! Fresh Blood on your skin now!!
OK guys who hates these mutliators - go out and do your part to tell each and every gal you do NEVER to shave themselves. That if they do, they're definitely gonna be branded as no longer worthy of doing Chinese customers (and Japanese and Korean and Taiwanese and Hong Kongers and.......) and only reserved for ....... you know who you are!!!
And give mommies shit if they ever give you a gal who's been shaved..... and throw out gals who's shaved.....and mark and shame all gals who allows themselves to be mutilitated in our litle playground. This is WAR guys! We gotta defeat these guys who come over and mutilates our lovely fair maidens!!
Hell, I used to love going to Philippines and Thailand - but have stopped going there to monger and only go when I ain't got no choice but to go; All crap plucked chickens there - Mucho Gracias to these Western Mongers who've been spreading these insidious and false information about the attractiveness of the shaved beaver. BTW - I usually restrict myself to going to the Saunas in Thailand - as these places are the "Locals" choice to go to - and thus a great majority of the gals there remains unshaven. Its these Darker skinned Thai gals favored by the Westerners who hangs around the bars that are usually shaved.
SEAJ
Ps. Moving this post to the China Women Opinion and advise thread.
Bigboobman007
04-06-09, 10:58
Hi All,
Just wanna give a heads up for my upcoming trip. Be glad if we can party together.
Here's my itinerary:
-Arriving 15th thru Shenzhen (at night) and will most probably head straight to CA sauna and stay overnight
-Free on 16 and 17 to party in CA or CP
-Go to Canton fair on 18 n 19 and later fly up to north china
-Back to party on 21 evening in CA or CP until 23
-Go to fair on 24 n back home on 25.
Please PM me guys.
SE Asia Joe
04-06-09, 11:23
Lots of new gals all over at 4:30 PM laast Friday -
SWL - chock-a-block full of gals, Mommies wailing and begging - all of 'em trying to get us to book a room - ON a FRIDAY!!! And even with their RMB500 for 5 guys deal. Incredible.
Baby's shop and upstairs a bit sparse - approx 15 or so at each place but the other Yalan shops also had a whole bunch of gals - I counted 46 - yup 46 gals at the snooker room - 4 of them Vietnamese. NOt even enough seats on the couches - some of the gals were on stools!! Stool chickens!!
Business seems terible for most establishments in CP. Hell, even them thieves the Bread vans - they now jump at RMB 10 even during the week-end.
Went to a new KTV both Friday/Saturday - it was THAT good (Seniors - pm me if interested). All rooms were new, and the KTV computer was easy for even non chinese readers to navigate (need more English songs as usual - but hey - this is still new times for them). A limited "Flower street" (approax 100) but the quality of the gals were HIGH! and the DJ's were also good looking.
First night, 4 of us (plus 7 gals and a 1 DJ) and the bill came to RMB 270 each. Second night in a large room, 11 of us (plus ??? gals - must at least been 16)) and it came to RMB 180@. All sort of freebies given to us - including a huge Birthday cake arranged within 20 minutes of them finding out that my regular gal who I took there was having her birthday that night!
BTW - they're still talking about the Mayflower opening or not opening up!! I really wonder when it'll ever do - I mean, somebody spent a pretty penny on it - don't make sense that it remains closed 3 months after everything was suppossed to have been Green light!
SE Asia Joe
04-06-09, 11:40
If your looking for someone to truly be an interpreter rather than a ***** who speaks English, I suggest you go to one of the 3-4 English Training Centers in CP and see if anyone is looking for some work. There is 2 in the shopping mall behind the Lion Hotel, I know of for sure.
Good Luck,
-CPE
Oh Jeeez!!!
And here was Santa - going up to the Swan Lake Road english school and volunteering to "sit in at their conversation night". Of course NOT volunteering to pay anything.... confident that just coz he speaks "Ingeriss" that he would be sooooooo welcome!! Yeah!! Right!!
You hear that Santa - you'se gotta pay!!!
Even guys who's wanting to pay gotta search it out!!
You cheap bastard!!
You wonder why the school administrator gal you met refused to even pick up your fone???!!!
SEAJ
Playboy2000
04-06-09, 13:42
Chang An is great for the naked KTV's but you'd need to have your own car to get around, whilst Zhuhai is of course Sauna heaven.
SEAJ
I was with a large group of guys in ChangAn last summer. We got along fine wihtout a car. Just took taxis to wherever we wanted to go. We did KTVs, saunas, and footies there. (No BBS). I thought CA was great. Loved the nekid KTV and the dirty footies. And I thought the girls were in general more GFE than in CP (but I only had a small sample of 2-3 girls).
SEAJ, I have never been to Zhuhai. Is the sauna service better than that in CP?
Playboy2000
04-06-09, 13:49
BnLee - you ain't never heard of washing them all up first?? And getting rid of any and all loose hair in the process?? And you would actually go down on any and all WG?? You're a much braver man than I for sure!!
And NO - it does NOT look sexy at all - it look like a nasty plucked chicken - same texture, same feel and same look! YUCK!!! And after a few days or week - its actually downright nasty - all scratchy to the touch, sandpapers my groin (and your face I guess!!) and looks like mouldy peace of shit!
And then them nicks and scratches and cuts!! OHMIGAWD - harboring all 'em germs and nastiness - and cracking open when mounted! Fresh Blood on your skin now!!
OK guys who hates these mutliators - go out and do your part to tell each and every gal you do NEVER to shave themselves. That if they do, they're definitely gonna be branded as no longer worthy of doing Chinese customers (and Japanese and Korean and Taiwanese and Hong Kongers and.......) and only reserved for ....... you know who you are!!!
And give mommies shit if they ever give you a gal who's been shaved..... and throw out gals who's shaved.....and mark and shame all gals who allows themselves to be mutilitated in our litle playground. This is WAR guys! We gotta defeat these guys who come over and mutilates our lovely fair maidens!!
Hell, I used to love going to Philippines and Thailand - but have stopped going there to monger and only go when I ain't got no choice but to go; All crap plucked chickens there - Mucho Gracias to these Western Mongers who've been spreading these insidious and false information about the attractiveness of the shaved beaver. BTW - I usually restrict myself to going to the Saunas in Thailand - as these places are the "Locals" choice to go to - and thus a great majority of the gals there remains unshaven. Its these Darker skinned Thai gals favored by the Westerners who hangs around the bars that are usually shaved.
I am in sync with SEAJ here (and I am one of those western mongers). China remains one of the few places one earth where the girls are "natural down there". Girls with jet black hair are just much more beautiful au natural. They should only be shaving their armpits!
Dan Hawaii
04-06-09, 20:34
SEAJ, I have never been to Zhuhai. Is the sauna service better than that in CP?
I heard they are a lot cheaper (half the prices) and they offer more services (maybe not better service) than CP. More kinky services like the "Red Rope". I always wanted to check ZH and Macau out, but CP just never let me go ;)
SEAJ, hows about the girl quality/looks in ZH, better than CP???
I heard they are a lot cheaper (half the prices) and they offer more services (maybe not better service) than CP. More kinky services like the "Red Rope". I always wanted to check ZH and Macau out, but CP just never let me go ;)
SEAJ, hows about the girl quality/looks in ZH, better than CP???I don't mean to speak on behalf of SEAJ, but from his and Ace Gallant's advice, I put a trip together last year that included CP, Zhuhai, and Macao over 8 days. Zhuhai was cheaper by an average of 200RMB for a sauna, but the quality was significantly poorer both in looks and service. For reference, in CP I went to Virgin, Huihua and Miraton saunas. The memory of those in Zhuhai is fading as they were not worth repeating. Macao I went to Rio and Darlings2, which were very good, but almost 1.7x the price. The difference is you can lounge around and do sauna, pedicures, etc in Macao. In CP, it is right to the room for line-up followed by 1-2 hours of bliss.
I heard they are a lot cheaper (half the prices) and they offer more services (maybe not better service) than CP. More kinky services like the "Red Rope". I always wanted to check ZH and Macau out, but CP just never let me go ;)
SEAJ, hows about the girl quality/looks in ZH, better than CP???
Macau would be better than ZH if you lack Chinese language skills. English is a little more widely spoken there but just barely. Macau has greater variety of girls, from Thailand, Korean, PRC, Vietnam, Taiwan, and Eastern Europe but far more expensive than Ching Ping or Zhuhai.
3 star hotels range from 400-600 HKD, higher during weekends and holidays.
Did Rack Track once write drinks were on him ?
Fast Eddie 48
04-07-09, 05:19
I heard they are a lot cheaper (half the prices) and they offer more services (maybe not better service) than CP. More kinky services like the "Red Rope". I always wanted to check ZH and Macau out, but CP just never let me go
SEAJ, hows about the girl quality/looks in ZH, better than CP? To Dan,
Are you having another wet dream again at home, I think CP got you by the little ball, you been taking about going to Zhu Hai for 2 yr.
I don't think service in zhu hai is better, the sauna there is not as nice as in dongguan on average, just there are so many sauna it drive the price down but for good red rope you need to go to shanghai and chongqing.
Fast Eddie 48
OldAsiaHand
04-07-09, 05:45
SEAJ, I have never been to Zhuhai. Is the sauna service better than that in CP?
To quote a legendary monger from the Zhuhai thread, "You get about 80% of the service for about 50% of the price in Zhuhai saunas compared to DG".
OAH
Dan Hawaii
04-07-09, 08:37
To quote a legendary monger from the Zhuhai thread, "You get about 80% of the service for about 50% of the price in Zhuhai saunas compared to DG".
OAH
That's still a win for people in Macau, since the travel distance is closer, like across the border. But for people in CP already, is it worth the Trip down there? Hmmm, that's an ambiguous/IMHO question. Any thoughts????
SE Asia Joe
04-07-09, 09:21
That's still a win for people in Macau, since the travel distance is closer, like across the border. But for people in CP already, is it worth the Trip down there? Hmmm, that's an ambiguous/IMHO question. Any thoughts????
Dan - IMHO - Zhuhai can be worthed to go to IF you also will take in the sight, sounds and total experience that Zhuhai offers.
And by that I mean:
a. You should also try to take in the very nice and scenic atmosphere that Zhuhai is,
b. Sit around the umbrella bars with a couple or so mates to soak in the hustle and bustle and the walking gals and the LE's and the flirting with the bar maid etc. Perhaps even do one of these Lin Hua Lu walking gal or even two.
c. Eat good - and not expensive - sea food
d. Ejoy a good and cheap Sauna or two
e. And then cross over to Macau to partake of the other "wonders' on offer there.
If you go down just to do a sauna then I think its definitely NOT worthed - especially if you need to go back up to CP i/o going on towards Macau or Hong Kong on a "circle Tour." CP-ZH takes at least 2-1/2 hours and costs approx RMB450 one way - and whatever savings you have on the sauna, you'd spend on transport PLUS lose all that time travelling.
CP is just fucking fucking and more fucking - and even for me I prefer to partake of it in smaller doses of 1 or 2 days at a stretch as after that time - it just gets monotonous. So if you're gonna be around these parts for say a week or so, then I suggest you should moe on down to Zhuhai. But if all you want to do is to fuck fuck and fuck some more, then just stay in CP. In fact, our old friend Superforce who IS King of Zhuhai needs to do just that - he once a while go up to CP to just fuck, fuck and fuck some more!
SEAJ
Did the nightmarket run on Sunday night around 11:30, together with Santa, ABCinLa, Sukhumvitter and another guy. As soon as we got there we noticed that there were no girls. One of the mommies told us: zhua1 ren2 = grab people. As in, the LE were grabbing girls off the street.
Sure enough, we saw a minivan parked in front of a make-up store. Some guys were going into the store and yelling at some of the girls to get into the van. One of the guys was wearing a cop uniform. All the BBS shops were locked up, so LE couldn't get in. Maybe that's the reason for the locks.
Of course, the minute LE left, the mommies were already whispering: psst, do you want a girl?
SE Asia Joe
04-07-09, 09:53
BTW - that KTV across the road from the Yalan Hotel has re-opened and they've recruited a few of the mommies/gals from other places.
Rainbow the fat flirty mommie's gone there with her gals but I also even saw Fa Fa from Coco's Hui Mei alley shop sitting there still all nice and sexy - but at RMB 50 more now!!
Also, I've noticed how "uneven" the BBS's are these days - some chock-a-block full, some sparse - and found out that its because the mommies -AND the gals - been moving around all over the place, and usually "en masse" and thus deserting one venue whilst overcrowding another.
All this is actually NOT good as I smell trouble brewing amongst different and competing operators/mommies/gals - in the midst of all this gloom and doom about business in general in CP.
Most of us going to CP are just non-discerning fornicators and pick and chose amongst...... the choices - but I'd worry about being caught unawares in the cross fire that's bound to flare up.
SEAJ
Chang Ping
04-08-09, 03:20
Lots of new gals all over at 4:30 PM laast Friday -
SWL - chock-a-block full of gals, Mommies wailing and begging - all of 'em trying to get us to book a room - ON a FRIDAY!!! And even with their RMB500 for 5 guys deal. Incredible.
Business seems terible for most establishments in CP. Hell, even them thieves the Bread vans - they now jump at RMB 10 even during the week-end.
Went to a new KTV both Friday/Saturday - it was THAT good (Seniors - pm me if interested). All rooms were new, and the KTV computer was easy for even non chinese readers to navigate (need more English songs as usual - but hey - this is still new times for them). A limited "Flower street" (approax 100) but the quality of the gals were HIGH! and the DJ's were also good looking.
First night, 4 of us (plus 7 gals and a 1 DJ) and the bill came to RMB 270 each. Second night in a large room, 11 of us (plus ??? gals - must at least been 16)) and it came to RMB 180@. All sort of freebies given to us - including a huge Birthday cake arranged within 20 minutes of them finding out that my regular gal who I took there was having her birthday that night!
BTW - they're still talking about the Mayflower opening or not opening up!! I really wonder when it'll ever do - I mean, somebody spent a pretty penny on it - don't make sense that it remains closed 3 months after everything was suppossed to have been Green light!Hey SEAJ,
Tks for the great update! Its especially interesting given the fact that the Canton fair has started and many folks have forecasted a CP that does not have enough gals (much less quality gals) to go around and higher prices for everything.
Btw I am going to take you up on mongering together again. Soon
Hi Guys,
I saw the exit for Chang Ping off Highway G105 for the first time passing, My question is if I get off the hwy is Chang ping right there or do I have to travel a ways off the hwy and is it safe to park a car there while you monger? Does the mirton or other hotel have some safe parking I am a qweilo so I will stick out driving a HK/China car in chang ping.
Thanks for any info.
Waterfish7788
04-08-09, 09:44
Well, well, well.
I am one of those who go to CP during the Canton Fair. This time around, I will be alone. I will spend a few day in Shenzhen to meet up with few agent before make my way up to CP. ETA 13th for 5 to 6 days.
Looking forward to meeting up with a few of the senior there for KTV or BBS during the night.
Waterfish
SE Asia Joe
04-09-09, 08:41
Hey SEAJ,
Tks for the great update! Its especially interesting given the fact that the Canton fair has started and many folks have forecasted a CP that does not have enough gals (much less quality gals) to go around and higher prices for everything.
Btw I am going to take you up on mongering together again. Soon
GREAT!!! And yeah - plenty of great gals around - now I don't need to worry about you not having enough choice and having to resort to.... whatever!!
And talking about new arrivals - I was on another of my day trip to CP yesterday and was just "looking" in at the SWL. Again chock a block full of gals at 4 pm and I was having a bit of a hard time deciding. That's when one of the mommies excitedly grabbed a hold of me (nothin' unusual here - they're ALWAYS grabbing punters there!!) and dragged me towards the KTV area whilst telling me that she's got something very special "just for me" (yeah right!!). Dragged me into the ladies bathroom and lo and behold - there were 2 young 'uns which she told me had never repeat NEVER, swear-that-she'll-be-run-over-by-a-car-if she-lied, ever been with a customer at all before!!
"I kept these 2 just for good customers.
No extra charge.
Just pay me the usual.
Which one do you want.
Do you want both of them.
No, just take one. Let me save one for another good customer.
You must teach her.
I trust you'll teach her good.
OK OK Go, Go."
And just like that - I was out the back staircase with my "Working Life Virgin" on my arms!!
No need to go into details, needless to say - fresh and fresh and refreshing!! And never mind that I did have to do quite a bit of coaching, cajoling, convincing, and talking things out - All I know was that I DID have a helluva good time.
Membership has its privileges!!
SEAJ
Dan Hawaii
04-09-09, 19:51
Dan - IMHO - Zhuhai can be worthed to go to IF you also will take in the sight, sounds and total experience that Zhuhai offers.
And by that I mean:
a. You should also try to take in the very nice and scenic atmosphere that Zhuhai is,
b. Sit around the umbrella bars with a couple or so mates to soak in the hustle and bustle and the walking gals and the LE's and the flirting with the bar maid etc. Perhaps even do one of these Lin Hua Lu walking gal or even two.
c. Eat good - and not expensive - sea food
d. Ejoy a good and cheap Sauna or two
e. And then cross over to Macau to partake of the other "wonders' on offer there.
If you go down just to do a sauna then I think its definitely NOT worthed - especially if you need to go back up to CP i/o going on towards Macau or Hong Kong on a "circle Tour." CP-ZH takes at least 2-1/2 hours and costs approx RMB450 one way - and whatever savings you have on the sauna, you'd spend on transport PLUS lose all that time travelling.
CP is just fucking fucking and more fucking - and even for me I prefer to partake of it in smaller doses of 1 or 2 days at a stretch as after that time - it just gets monotonous. So if you're gonna be around these parts for say a week or so, then I suggest you should moe on down to Zhuhai. But if all you want to do is to fuck fuck and fuck some more, then just stay in CP. In fact, our old friend Superforce who IS King of Zhuhai needs to do just that - he once a while go up to CP to just fuck, fuck and fuck some more!
SEAJ
Thanks for the enlightening evaluation on ZH and Macau. I heard a lot about those places and I always wondered about those places, but they are still a mystery in my mind.
That is a great idea, maybe next time around we will head down to HK to catch our flight, we should stop off in ZH and Macau for a couple of days. Always wanted to try out a Macau sauna and maybe do a russian lady. We did think about doing it before, and planned it all out, but we all came to consensus that we should just stay in CP. Because it's hard to beat CP, and I just don't want to look back in hindsight and say, "fuck, we should of stayed in CP";)
And Joe, thank you for sharing your weekly adventures, makes me happy and depressed at the same time. Happy to know CP is still heaven on earth, but depressed that I'm half way around the earth from CP. :( I sometimes wish I was born in HK....you lucky bastards!!!
Dan Hawaii
04-09-09, 20:05
Hi Guys,
I saw the exit for Chang Ping off Highway G105 for the first time passing, My question is if I get off the hwy is Chang ping right there or do I have to travel a ways off the hwy and is it safe to park a car there while you monger? Does the mirton or other hotel have some safe parking I am a qweilo so I will stick out driving a HK/China car in chang ping.
Thanks for any info.
I know there is a kind of big underground parking structure under the Hui Hua Hotel. There are also one in the Hui Mei, I believe, the entrance to that one is from one of the side alleys, on the lucky hotel side. The Miraton parking lot is kind of small. There is also street parking along the main strip of CP, but not sure on the parking regulations. You safest bet is to pay for a parking space in the one of the above hotels, and take taxis around or just walk. Everything is super close together, your longest taxi ride will be 10 minutes and 10 rmb to the yalan area.
If you need more specific detailed info, Wadman and OAH drive around CP. PM them for more info.
Dan Hawaii
04-09-09, 20:18
GREAT!!! And yeah - plenty of great gals around - now I don't need to worry about you not having enough choice and having to resort to.... whatever!!
And talking about new arrivals - I was on another of my day trip to CP yesterday and was just "looking" in at the SWL. Again chock a block full of gals at 4 pm and I was having a bit of a hard time deciding. That's when one of the mommies excitedly grabbed a hold of me (nothin' unusual here - they're ALWAYS grabbing punters there!!) and dragged me towards the KTV area whilst telling me that she's got something very special "just for me" (yeah right!!). Dragged me into the ladies bathroom and lo and behold - there were 2 young 'uns which she told me had never repeat NEVER, swear-that-she'll-be-run-over-by-a-car-if she-lied, ever been with a customer at all before!!
"I kept these 2 just for good customers.
No extra charge.
Just pay me the usual.
Which one do you want.
Do you want both of them.
No, just take one. Let me save one for another good customer.
You must teach her.
I trust you'll teach her good.
OK OK Go, Go."
And just like that - I was out the back staircase with my "Working Life Virgin" on my arms!!
No need to go into details, needless to say - fresh and fresh and refreshing!! And never mind that I did have to do quite a bit of coaching, cajoling, convincing, and talking things out - All I know was that I DID have a helluva good time.
Membership has its privileges!!
SEAJ
Damn you, "Virgin Killer"!!!
DannyCat,
There is an exit for the ChangHu highway from G105.
- go on the Changhu highway for about 20 minutes (due east), there will be an exit for ChangPing town
- once you get off this exit, you will hit the tollbooths
- after the tollbooths, make a left at the first traffic light
- immediately after the traffic light (about 30 meters), there is the main road and the collector lanes (off to the right). Go on the collectors, do not stay on the main road.
- after 200 meters on the collectors you will hit another traffic light, make a right turn
- go on this road for about 3 km, you will see a cluster of tall buildings (20 plus stories high) in the distance
- just before you the tall cluster of buildings, you need to branch off the left (it's a Y fork in the road)
- you will then see, on the left side of the road: Rainbow mall (with a McDonald's), Miraton hotel, Virgin hotel, HuiMei hotel, Lucky hotel, PP KTV, Lion hotel. This is downtown CP, the main drag.
Tip 1: the Guangshen highway runs more or less paralel with road G105 and much faster compared to G105 because it's a real highway (no traffic lights, etc). It is a toll road, as most highways are in China. You can exit to ChangHu highway from Guangshen highway too.
Tip 2: There is a GUANGshen highway and a GUANshen highway. The Guangshen connects Guangzhou city to Shenzhen city. The Guanshen connect Dongguan city with Shenzhen city. Make sure you read the roadsigns carefully, and don't confuse the 2!
Tip 3: As Danny Hawaii mentioned, Miraton, HuiHua, Clipper, Swanlake hotels have parking. Is it free? Well, they don't check unless you park overnight. Street parking is 5 rmb for the first hour, 1 rmb/hour thereafter. Parking is generally safe in CP.
Hi Guys,
I saw the exit for Chang Ping off Highway G105 for the first time passing, My question is if I get off the hwy is Chang ping right there or do I have to travel a ways off the hwy and is it safe to park a car there while you monger? Does the mirton or other hotel have some safe parking I am a qweilo so I will stick out driving a HK/China car in chang ping.
Thanks for any info.
GREAT!!! .... Dragged me into the ladies bathroom and lo and behold - there were 2 young 'uns which she told me had never repeat NEVER, swear-that-she'll-be-run-over-by-a-car-if she-lied, ever been with a customer at all before!!
"I kept these 2 just for good customers.
No extra charge.
Just pay me the usual.
Which one do you want.
Do you want both of them.
No, just take one. Let me save one for another good customer.
You must teach her.
I trust you'll teach her good.
OK OK Go, Go."
And just like that - I was out the back staircase with my "Working Life Virgin" on my arms!!
No need to go into details, needless to say - fresh and fresh and refreshing!! And never mind that I did have to do quite a bit of coaching, cajoling, convincing, and talking things out - All I know was that I DID have a helluva good time.
Membership has its privileges!!
SEAJSeaj
Teach her right. Make sure you tell her to shave her pussy smooth before coming out of the shower. No, hairy pussy for customer. Teach her right, okay. I'm depending on you. Tell her customers will pay her more pretending to be a "white tiger"
Ciao
OldAsiaHand
04-10-09, 05:41
Miraton also has underground parking. I often park in the Miraton surface parking area even when I don't stay there and have never had a problem. When mongering in the Yalan area, I have parked right in front of the Yalan hotel for 4-5 hours without incident. There is a security guard there to watch your car.
Just my POV.
OAH
I know there is a kind of big underground parking structure under the Hui Hua Hotel. There are also one in the Hui Mei, I believe, the entrance to that one is from one of the side alleys, on the lucky hotel side. The Miraton parking lot is kind of small. There is also street parking along the main strip of CP, but not sure on the parking regulations. You safest bet is to pay for a parking space in the one of the above hotels, and take taxis around or just walk. Everything is super close together, your longest taxi ride will be 10 minutes and 10 rmb to the yalan area.
If you need more specific detailed info, Wadman and OAH drive around CP. PM them for more info.
SE Asia Joe
04-10-09, 08:28
Seaj
Teach her right. Make sure you tell her to shave her pussy smooth before coming out of the shower. No, hairy pussy for customer. Teach her right, okay. I'm depending on you. Tell her customers will pay her more pretending to be a "white tiger"
Ciao
Hrmmphhh..... fuckin' mutilator!!
How Dastardly.... how very dastardly!!
When I meet you I'm gonna get you three of the hairiest gorillas I can muster up to attack you - one to sit on your face, another to grind you down and the last one to shave YOU Bald!!
Sound like fun???
SEAJ
Ps. Much YOU know!! Most Chinese guys will literally RUN away from White Tigers - real or fake ones - as White Tigers are considered VERY unlucky!!
Hrmmphhh..... fuckin' mutilator!!
How Dastardly.... how very dastardly!!
When I meet you I'm gonna get you three of the hairiest gorillas I can muster up to attack you - one to sit on your face, another to grind you down and the last one to shave YOU Bald!!
Sound like fun?
SEAJ
Ps. Much YOU know!! Most Chinese guys will literally RUN away from White Tigers - real or fake ones - as White Tigers are considered VERY unlucky!!Sounds fun. But I will just shave them smooth and give them back to you. Btw, I'm a recent grad of OWL's school of Martial Art. I can take on five, countem. Five attacker with a flash of roundhouse kicks and flying fists so fast that it will superman dizzy. I will shave them smooth before they can say "Jack Flash".
BTW. , the hairy gorilla gals, a couple of your cousins/kin folks/sistas/. Just jk.
Been planning for a spontaneous trip to CP on April 17th after being teased by this forum about how fun CP could be for monthsss. But was struck with the tone "Our rooms have all been booked out" in both Miraton and HuiHua. Darn the Fair.
Reason to choose those two as my first choice is that they have a decent KTV and sauna inhouse which would enable us the conveniences.
Can any members recommend any hotels in CP with similar conveniences?
Another favor I would ask is that can anyone PM me the the contact number of mommy for both Peninsula KTV and JiaYi? Thanks and would be deeply appreciated.
Hello everyone,
Any idea what is the most economically way to get from Macau airport to Dongguan, Changping?
Understand that i can get to Zhuhai Gongbei custom and get transport there... maybe via a coach but not sure the operating timing. However i also wish to know if there are any buses from the hotel in Macau that travel directly to Changping?
BTW thinking of staying at Hui Hua hotel.
Appreciate your suggestions.
Thanks in advance
Hello everyone,
Any idea what is the most economically way to get from Macau airport to Dongguan, Changping?
Understand that i can get to Zhuhai Gongbei custom and get transport there... maybe via a coach but not sure the operating timing. However i also wish to know if there are any buses from the hotel in Macau that travel directly to Changping?
BTW thinking of staying at Hui Hua hotel.
Appreciate your suggestions.
Thanks in advanceHello newbie,
There are many ways to get from Macau to CP, from buses, ferries and private transportation. There have been several different routes reported or posted already.
There are three bus stations at Gongbei Border. Two of the bus stations are Gongyun and Xinhe. Gongyun does NOT go to CP and you have to walk 200 yard to the other station. Xinhe Gongbei does go to Dongguan East Railroad Station in CP. There are also ferries that go from Macau to other areas of Southern China like Dongguan.
Gongyun Bus Terminal（拱北汽車客運站）
Xinhe Gongbei Tongda Bus Terminal（信禾拱北通大汽車客運站）
Gongbei Kee Kwan Coach Station (under Gongbei Customs), 拱北口岸岐关汽车站
The third station Gongbei Kee Kwan is underground near the undergound mall. I posted some maps of Zhuhai in the Zhuhai Thread where you can locate two of the bus stations.
The cheapest and most direct IMHO is take the bus at at Xinhe Gongbei to Dongguan East Railway Station located at the edge of CP. I have taken this route a few times. Note the Dongguan East Railway is NOT the same as the Dongguan Railway in CP which is much closer to the Miraton Hotel and Yanlan Area. Once at the railway station, you can take either a local taxi or a yellow local bus. For the underground bus station, Gongbei Kee Kwan, I never taken this route because of the extremely early and late times for departures and arrives to CP. This might be another good option but you need to check first.
Many people have been asking the same question in the past and there have been several replies. Please try Doing a Search First, PDSF. In other words, Search First Please Do, SFPD for more info and details.
link for map for Xinhe Gongbei Bus Station
http://wikimapia.org/3593753/Xinhe-Gongbei-Tongda-Bus-Terminal%EF%BC%88%E4%BF%A1%E7%A6%BE%E6%8B%B1%E5%8C%97%E9%80%9A%E5%A4%A7%E6%B1%BD%E8%BB%8A%E5%AE%A2%E9%81%8B%E7%AB%99%EF%BC%89
PS. Is "Mr Elf" OWL in disguise looking for HELP ?
Macau to Dongguan
http://www.deltabridges.com/macau-guide/macau-dongguan
Zhuhai to Dongguan
http://www.deltabridges.com/node/1934
SE Asia Joe
04-14-09, 08:38
Macau to Dongguan
http://www.deltabridges.com/macau-guide/macau-dongguan
Zhuhai to Dongguan
http://www.deltabridges.com/node/1934
I do know that you're probably only trying to be helpful - but the info you've given is for a WRONG destination - Dongguan Nan Cheng - which is a good hour or so AWAY from Chang Ping.
Dongguan is huge and Chang Ping is one of the many many towns within Dongguan.
SEAJ
Yup, Dongguan NanCheng is in Dongguan city (which is divided in NanCheng and DongCheng). Dongguan city is at least half an hour away from CP. (but if you take the train, you get off at the "Dongguan" station...).
"Dongguan" is usually used to refer to the region (prefecture) of Dongguan is which is huge. But sometimes it is also used to refer to Dongguan city.
I know, I know, what an idiotic way of naming things.
KNow that you're only trying to be helpful - but the info you've given is for a WRONG destination - Dongguan Nan Cheng - which is a good hour or so AWAY from Chang Ping.
Dongguan is huge and Chang Ping is one of the towns withing Dongguan.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-14-09, 09:24
Yup, Dongguan NanCheng is in Dongguan city (which is divided in NanCheng and DongCheng). Dongguan city is at least half an hour away from CP. (but if you take the train, you get off at the "Dongguan" station...). I know, I know, what an idiotic way of naming things.
Actually........... I think that there's nothing wrong with the way things are on this score - rather its the wrong perception of readers here that's causing the problems.
To hopefully give you all a better idea, look at the flwg comparison
P.R.C. = U.S.A.
Guangdong province - California State
Dongguan = Los Angeles (Note - most people do NOT refer to only the actual City of Los Angeles when they say L.A., rather the collection of cities/towns close to L.A., within L.A. county)
Chang Ping or Chang An or DongCheng = Beverly Hills, or Pasadena or Diamond Bar or even Anaheim all the way down in Orange county!
NanCheng (South Dongguan City) and DongChen (Dongguan City) = South Paz and Pasadena itself.
Perhaps time for somebody to suggest to Jackson that we should split Dongguan into sub-headings!! How do you go about doing this?
SEAJ
Strictly speaking, "Dongguan city" should be "DongGuan Shi". It's just that people get lazy and leave out the "Shi" = city. Government literature, roadsigns, etc do it too.
The naming system is fine if you live here, or have been here enough to be familiar with it. For newbies, it can be damn confusing.
The district of LongGang (which is one of the districts of Shenzhen) has a slightly better system. Within LongGang district, there is the main/capital city, which is called LongCheng (Cheng = city). At least this way, if you say you live in LongCheng, there is no confusion as to whether you live in the district or the main city.
As for the train, not sure why they named the CP stop "Dongguan". It stops at other town in Dongguan too (ZhangMuTou, ShiLong). Maybe because of the reputation that CP has. Nobody wants to be caught going to CP, the town of ill repute.
Actually........... I think that there's nothing wrong with the way things are on this score - rather its the wrong perception of readers here that's causing the problems.
SE Asia Joe
04-14-09, 10:22
Strictly speaking, "Dongguan city" should be "DongGuan Shi". It's just that people get lazy and leave out the "Shi" = city. Government literature, roadsigns, etc do it too.
The naming system is fine if you live here, or have been here enough to be familiar with it. For newbies, it can be damn confusing.
The district of LongGang (which is one of the districts of Shenzhen) has a slightly better system. Within LongGang district, there is the main/capital city, which is called LongCheng (Cheng = city). At least this way, if you say you live in LongCheng, there is no confusion as to whether you live in the district or the main city.
As for the train, not sure why they named the CP stop "Dongguan". It stops at other town in Dongguan too (ZhangMuTou, ShiLong). Maybe because of the reputation that CP has. Nobody wants to be caught going to CP, the town of ill repute.
I don't 100% agree - according to your logic, the Shenzhen train station should be re-named "Luohu" instead of being correctly named and known as being "Shenzhen."
OK - it IS confusing and even as late as a few years back, I myself get confused as to where is what in Dongguan (fact is, even now I still need my map once a while to figure out where all the litttle towns in DGG is actually at!! But as far as the Rail station is concerned - there is nothing wrong with it being named DongGuan.
If you re-name it Chang Ping, then those people wanting to go to Dongguan will not know to stop at Chang Ping - sort of like if you renamed LAX the "Bennett Rancho" airport - for that is actually the area where the Los Angeles Airport is situated at!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-14-09, 12:01
Sounds fun. But I will just shave them smooth and give them back to you. Btw, I'm a recent grad of OWL's school of Martial Art. I can take on five, countem. Five attacker with a flash of roundhouse kicks and flying fists so fast that it will superman dizzy. I will shave them smooth before they can say "Jack Flash".
BTW. , the hairy gorilla gals, a couple of your cousins/kin folks/sistas/. Just jk.
The Great One's talking to himself !!!
(He's inventing new handles, posting and then turning around and replying to himself. What an idiot! It's OWL I'm writin' about - not about the GREAT BnLee!!)
And Hey Bnlee - no fair talkin' about my kinfolk! Hairy or not, they've still gotta earn $$$
SEAJ
I don't 100% agree - according to your logic, the Shenzhen train station should be re-named "Luohu" instead of being correctly named and known as being "Shenzhen."
It was probably named "Shenzhen" because some years back that was all there was to Shenzhen. Generally speaking (in the city, not on the train) it is referred to as "Luohu train station". And it will probably be renamed as such once Shenzhen has more than 1 passenger train station.
OK - it IS confusing and even as late as a few years back, I myself get confused as to where is what in Dongguan (fact is, even now I still need my map once a while to figure out where all the litttle towns in DGG is actually at!! But as far as the Rail station is concerned - there is nothing wrong with it being named DongGuan.
If you re-name it Chang Ping, then those people wanting to go to Dongguan will not know to stop at Chang Ping - sort of like if you renamed LAX the "Bennett Rancho" airport - for that is actually the area where the Los Angeles Airport is situated at!
SEAJ
Sorry, couldn't disagree more with you here. It makes no sense whatsoever that the CP station is named "Dongguan". What good does that do?
1. People wanting to go to Dongguan city end up in the wrong place since CP is nowhere near it.
2. People wanting to go to CP will get confused
3. If all you know about your destination is that it is "somewhere in Dongguan region", then you are in trouble. Chances are overwhelmingly that it is nowhere no CP/Dongguan station
4. While CP is part of Dongguan region, so are the towns of ZhangMuTou and ShiLong (where the train also stops). ZhangMuTou station was there before the CP station, so if any station should be named "Dongguan station" due to historical reasons, it should be ZMT.
Again, the only reason that I can think of as to why it is named "Dongguan station" is because of the reputation that CP has. If your wife/gf finds a trainticket stub on you, at least you can claim (or try to anyway) that you went to Dongguan and not CP.
Hello newbie,
There are many ways to get from Macau to CP, from buses, ferries and private transportation. There have been several different routes reported or posted already.
There are three bus stations at Gongbei Border. Two of the bus stations are Gongyun and Xinhe. Gongyun does NOT go to CP and you have to walk 200 yard to the other station. Xinhe Gongbei does go to Dongguan East Railroad Station in CP. There are also ferries that go from Macau to Shenzhen and from Zhuhai to Shenzhen.
Gongyun Bus Terminal（拱北汽車客運站）
Xinhe Gongbei Tongda Bus Terminal（信禾拱北通大汽車客運站）
The third station is underground near the undergound mall. I posted some maps of Zhuhai in the Zhuhai Thread where you can locate two of the bus stations.
The cheapest and most direct IMHO is take the bus at at Xinhe Gongbei to Dongguan East Railway Station located at the edge of CP. I have taken this route a few times. Note the Dongguan East Railway is NOT the same as the Dongguan Railway in CP which is much closer to the Miraton Hotel and Yanlan Area. Then you can take either a local taxi or a yellow local bus. For the underground bus station I never taken this route because of the extremely early and late times for departures and arrives. This might be another good option.
Many people have been asking the same question in the past and there have been several replies. Please try Doing a Search First, PDSF. In other words, Search First Please Do, SFPD for more info and details.
link for map for Xinhe Gongbei Bus Station
http://wikimapia.org/3593753/Xinhe-Gongbei-Tongda-Bus-Terminal%EF%BC%88%E4%BF%A1%E7%A6%BE%E6%8B%B1%E5%8C%97%E9%80%9A%E5%A4%A7%E6%B1%BD%E8%BB%8A%E5%AE%A2%E9%81%8B%E7%AB%99%EF%BC%89
PS. Is "Mr Elf" OWL is disguise ?Hi Weelock,
Thanks for sharing. I search through the Dongguan thread but can't get any info. Sorry. Should have search through the Zhuhai thread as well.
Am glad I manage to change upon this forum with plenty of information!
P.S. Mr Elf is no OWL
I do know that you're probably only trying to be helpful - but the info you've given is for a WRONG destination - Dongguan Nan Cheng - which is a good hour or so AWAY from Chang Ping.
Dongguan is huge and Chang Ping is one of the many many towns within Dongguan.
SEAJReally appreciate your helpfulness.
Fast Eddie 48
04-14-09, 16:53
Strictly speaking, "Dongguan city" should be "DongGuan Shi". It's just that people get lazy and leave out the "Shi" = city. Government literature, roadsigns, etc do it too.
The naming system is fine if you live here, or have been here enough to be familiar with it. For newbies, it can be damn confusing.
The district of LongGang (which is one of the districts of Shenzhen) has a slightly better system. Within LongGang district, there is the main/capital city, which is called LongCheng (Cheng = city). At least this way, if you say you live in LongCheng, there is no confusion as to whether you live in the district or the main city.
As for the train, not sure why they named the CP stop "Dongguan". It stops at other town in Dongguan too (ZhangMuTou, ShiLong). Maybe because of the reputation that CP has. Nobody wants to be caught going to CP, the town of I'll repute.SE AISA JOE
I think most people know CP train stop is Dongguan, they do annoument when the train arrive in CP stop is Dongguan, but CP have another train st on the east side.
I don't think changing the name on shenzhen station to Lohou is a good idea, most people outside of guangzhou don't know lohou.
Fast Eddie 48
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SE Asia Joe
04-15-09, 05:52
It was probably named "Shenzhen" because some years back that was all there was to Shenzhen. Generally speaking (in the city, not on the train) it is referred to as "Luohu train station". And it will probably be renamed as such once Shenzhen has more than 1 passenger train station.
Sorry, couldn't disagree more with you here. It makes no sense whatsoever that the CP station is named "Dongguan". What good does that do?
1. People wanting to go to Dongguan city end up in the wrong place since CP is nowhere near it.
2. People wanting to go to CP will get confused
3. If all you know about your destination is that it is "somewhere in Dongguan region", then you are in trouble. Chances are overwhelmingly that it is nowhere no CP/Dongguan station
4. While CP is part of Dongguan region, so are the towns of ZhangMuTou and ShiLong (where the train also stops). ZhangMuTou station was there before the CP station, so if any station should be named "Dongguan station" due to historical reasons, it should be ZMT.
Again, the only reason that I can think of as to why it is named "Dongguan station" is because of the reputation that CP has. If your wife/gf finds a trainticket stub on you, at least you can claim (or try to anyway) that you went to Dongguan and not CP.
ACTUALLY..........who cares about whatever the stations is called!! It all amounts to a hill of beans as far as what the powers that be decides!!.
All we need to do here is just to make one and sundry coming to know that
1. CP is where the train Station named Dongguan is at.
2. Dongguan is a big place - know where in DGG you want to go to.
3. Make sure you bring lots of $$ and at least 1 pack of condoms upon arrival (you can buy more here for later trysts - but you'll need at least 1 pronto as soon as you arrive - for that is all the time you'll have before your small head tells you that you absolutely have no more leeway as far as timing is concerned!)
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
04-15-09, 06:17
ACTUALLY..........who cares about whatever the stations is called!! It all amounts to a hill of beans as far as what the powers that be decides!!.
All we need to do here is just to make one and sundry coming to know that
1. CP is where the train Station named Dongguan is at.
2. Dongguan is a big place - know where in DGG you want to go to.
3. Make sure you bring lots of $$ and at least 1 pack of condoms upon arrival (you can buy more here for later trysts - but you'll need at least 1 pronto as soon as you arrive - for that is all the time you'll have before your small head tells you that you absolutely have no more leeway as far as timing is concerned!)
SEAJUncle Joe,
Just one pack of condoms! Are you getting soft on us? I am ready for China again, just pick up 5 boxed 12pkg of lifestyle ultra thin from the local drug store is on sale 50 % off time is tough here in California.
Fast Eddie 48
Hi Guys,
Just want to say thanks for all the feedback on parking at CP.
I will check it out.
SE Asia Joe
04-15-09, 11:31
I just posted the CRH train schedules SZ-DGG-GZE on the Travel Plans and Announcement thread if anybody interested.
SEAJ
Slower Better
04-15-09, 13:24
I just posted the CRH train schedules SZ-DGG-GZE on the Travel Plans and Announcement thread if anybody interested.
SEAJHello, guys, can we focus here. What is this preoccupation with schedules?
ManonsanBoy
04-15-09, 22:56
thursday: crossed from hk @ 3 pm. very fast and soon was on a bus to tangxia. called mamasan when bus passing fenggang. told her to get her best ready. checked in @ golden lake. long hot shower to loosen up after the bus trip; number 1 delivered after i came out. new from hubei; short and a little dumpy and speaks kinda slowly. very sweet and compliant. decided to give her attention; daty and then mounted her swiftly. she was so horny she forgot about condom. pumped for 15 minutes front back and sideways. shot load outside. release. it had been a week and i took the viagra when i got on the bus. 200 and she was smiling.
went to the restaurant at the front of the complex.
2 hours after the first load, went to the sauna at the golden lake. 228 for a nice room and chose a 9 from a parade. 500. totally scrubed, washed, nails done, ear wax removed etc etc. this time, she did all the work. 90 minutes of various sexy "fu vu". when i was doing her from behind, noticed her ass was dilating and so without saying anything, slowly inserted thumb. she moaned and this was followed by my dick. she moaned some more and started playing with herself. after 10 minutes, i could not come and fell in a heap. she said what do i want and i said, remove the condom and mount me. she did just that and 5 minutes later, i shot a load into her as she herself cum. she said she was horny as hell after being at home (chung ching) for 2 months.
friday: at 5 am the next morning, mamasan sends another new comer. playful and cute but no bareback. could not cum and had to do handjob with her hitting on my face.
golf and therapeutic massage for the day at new village hotel. 100 for 2 hours by a pleasant looking girl in a tracksuit. tip: 50. chatted the whole time.
mamasan called with "hwa fu vu" girl. delivered @ 8 pm. 450 all night. she came in; a solid 8. her specialty was bbbj and indeed 30 minutes later, i shot a load into her mouth. she says half her customers do not even fuck her. i could see why. the next morning, watched the masters and fucked her this time but let her finish me off.
saturday pm; went to xiu jing in da ping. chose from a parade of 8 a 500 one with a great smile and big tits. usual full service and i shot a load on her back.
sunday: spent day around shenzhen and tangxia with the massage girl on her off day. spent 1000 buying her nick nacks and some make up. nice relaxed chatty company. i suggested to her she may like to come up to my room. she said no but i gave her room number. i went up to room, watched tv and prepared to go to bed. at 11 pm, knock knock; she was there. i took a viagra after showing her in saying is my blood pressure tablet. this one was not a worker and she was not experienced sexually. lost virginity 12 months ago but experience was so bad she only had sex twice since. she allowed me to kiss her on the lips, daty and i did her very gently but for a while. she started to cry when i was slowly doing her and she grabed my neck, tilted her hips and cried "kau shet". she came 2 minutes later after some fast and furious pumping, as did i, inside her.
repeat performance the next morning. had yum cha at the lake and she was off to work.
golf again and then off to gladden hotel in fenggang for good massage and fs. i had to finnish myself off with her sucking my tits and licking my armpits.
took bus to lohu from hotel and got home exhausted and drained.
why bother flying over easter from hk?
Bad Boy Billy
04-15-09, 23:06
CP experts - help if you can please.
Billy has 2 free days - May 1 and 2 - anybody like to predict how CP will be on thiose days?
Will we see greater than usual influx of guys?
Thanks in anticipation.
Cloud Palms
04-16-09, 01:54
Senior members probably know better not to waste their time with this place but I will post this review to confirm any speculation.
Alright, so I was having an absolute blast with good buddies and some awesome DJs at a KTV. No sitting girls were even needed as we were having such a good time. I then decided to head out and check out Huatai(Walter) sauna across the street from Huihua instead of staying with the group to a dance club. Let that be a lesson, if you're having a good time with the group, dont leave to go to a sauna as you can go to a sauna any time of the day and theyll be there ready to get you off.
I got a coupon from a manager on the street for 400. I got there and they took me to what looks like a regular room in their hotel, nothing special just like a sauna room as other places. The only difference is that instead of a small fridge they have a small oven which heats the towels for you after you showers. Good touch there.
Then they brought in the lineup, Wow...absolutely putrid!!! 5 came in, ugly, ugly, fat, fat and ugly, f*king fat and ugly. Next line up was the same. The next one as well. I guess thats why they have discounts. So I was about to get up and leave when the manager begged me to wait for one more lineup. In this one I saw one looker, who happened to be from the "A" group and not the "B" group like the rest. She was 500 instead of 400. Figures, probably any regular girl from the other places could work at Huatai and be in the A group. But this one was good looking and with big boobs and attitude was ok. Standard service but she was chatty which I always like cause they usually seem to have interesting backstories on how they would up doing this work.
All in all I had a 6/10 experience with the "A" group girl. But I recommend not to waste your time with this place, go to the other saunas for the service or save some $ for BBS.
CP experts - help if you can please.
Billy has 2 free days - May 1 and 2 - anybody like to predict how CP will be on thiose days?
Will we see greater than usual influx of guys?
Thanks in anticipation.
Well, let's see:
1. It is in between Canton Fair sessions
2. It is during May 1-3 holidays (in China, maybe not Hong Kong)
3. It's a Friday and Saturday
In my opinion, it will be like a regular weekend in CP, maybe slightly busier.
SE Asia Joe
04-16-09, 05:43
Well, let's see:
1. It is in between Canton Fair sessions
2. It is during May 1-3 holidays (in China, maybe not Hong Kong)
3. It's a Friday and Saturday
In my opinion, it will be like a regular weekend in CP, maybe slightly busier.
May 1-3 Fri-Sunday ARE ALSO public holidays in Hong Kong and thus one can expect CP to be busier than the usual already crowded week-ends.
But hell, when was the last time that a bit of competition is gonna deter the Big Guy Bad Boy Billy????!!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-16-09, 05:45
Hello, guys, can we focus here. What is this preoccupation with schedules?
Tsk-Tsk-Tsk S.B!!!
SEAJ
Bad Boy Billy
04-16-09, 05:57
In my opinion, it will be like a regular weekend in CP, maybe slightly busier.I just thought it might be getting a little on the 'too busy' side.
May 1-3 Fri-Sunday ARE ALSO public holidays in Hong Kong and thus one can expect CP to be busier than the usual already crowded week-ends.............But hell, when was the last time that a bit of competition is gonna deter the Big Guy Bad Boy Billy????!!!Do I detect a note of sarcasm here?
I will be in Tianjin up until aft Apr 30 - then need to be in Shanghai May 3 - just thought CP might be a change from the almost barren wasteland that BJ still is.
Lastr time I had free days in China it was CNY - now May day - clearly the 'Chinese pussy gods' are not smiling on Billy.
Having said all that I would have like to finally meet a few of you guys there - will give it some thought.
SE Asia Joe
04-16-09, 06:25
Do I detect a note of sarcasm here?
Lastr time I had free days in China it was CNY - now May day - clearly the 'Chinese pussy gods' are not smiling on Billy.
Having said all that I would have like to finally meet a few of you guys there - will give it some thought.
BBB - SARCASM????? NO WAY!!
Sarcasm implies some kind of bitterness, of some taunting..... and there's NO way I would even dare to contemplate being sarcastic with you. I mean the things you get up to - both from what I've read as well as from what I've heard from other ISG'rs about you - you must be the Mongering God and I cannot wait to actually meet you!
Fact is, if you remember, I was the one who did the pre-arrival preparations for you (at OAH's request) the time you came down to CP, including reduced rates for your penchant for multiple gals.
SEAJ
Bad Boy Billy
04-16-09, 06:54
BBB - you must be the Mongering God I wish
and I cannot wait to actually meet you!Same here my friend
Fact is, if you remember, I was the one who did the pre-arrival preparations for you (at OAH's request) the time you came down to CP, including reduced rates for your penchant for multiple gals.And the favour will be repaid in spade fulls - just gotta got to meet some time.
OK OK - enough of the 'love fest'.
Are any of you CP regulars going to be in CP nights May 1 and 2?
SE Asia Joe
04-16-09, 07:22
Uncle Joe,
Just one pack of condoms! Are you getting soft on us? I am ready for China again, just pick up 5 boxed 12pkg of lifestyle ultra thin from the local drug store is on sale 50 % off time is tough here in California.
Fast Eddie 48
Boasting again huh, Eddie??!!
Wot..... you're gonna decorate your party room with blown up condoms?
And..... I said at least 1 pack for immediate use as he ain't gonna have time to go out and buy before the siren call of nature gets too loud. And no.... "siren call of nature" don't mean the sound of your blown-up condoms bursting!!
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
04-16-09, 07:43
Boasting again huh, Eddie??!!
Wot..... you're gonna decorate your party room with blown up condoms?
And..... I said at least 1 pack for immediate use as he ain't gonna have time to go out and buy before the siren call of nature gets too loud. And no.... "siren call of nature" don't mean the sound of your blown-up condoms bursting!!
SEAJSeaj,
Like they say is better to have them and not need it than need them and don't have any.
I always bring extra if I have any left over, I just give them to you, the unused one that is.
HEHEHE
Fast Eddie 48
I just thought it might be getting a little on the 'too busy' side.
You might be right, I wasn't sure whether those days were holidays in Hong Kong or not. Turns out they are. HK guys make up the majority of CP customers. To the point where most managers and shop owners in the main areas of CP (i.e. the longer term residents) usually speak at least some Cantonese. Go outside these main areas, and the odds drop dramatically.
SE Asia Joe
04-17-09, 04:44
You might be right, I wasn't sure whether those days were holidays in Hong Kong or not. Turns out they are. HK guys make up the majority of CP customers. To the point where most managers and shop owners in the main areas of CP (i.e. the longer term residents) usually speak at least some Cantonese. Go outside these main areas, and the odds drop dramatically.
The odds..... and the superior quality, the reliable service, the wide choice also goes down correspondingly.
It needs us Hong Kong guys to strictly enforce the consistency of the product!!
So...... Thank us from Hong Kong will ya'!!
Muahahaha
SEAJ
The odds..... and the superior quality, the reliable service, the wide choice also goes down correspondingly.
It needs us Hong Kong guys to strictly enforce the consistency of the product!!
So...... Thank us from Hong Kong will ya'!!
Muahahaha
SEAJ
Uuuh... CA has better saunas than CP, especially in terms of service.
As far as saunas in CP itself: the ones further away from the main areas (and maybe just outside of CP itself) offer better service and value too.
The way I see it is that you need critical mass i.e. enough customers to make the town/area into a happening place and to get competition going. But once that happens, the main areas (the ones with the superior locations) are rarely the ones with good service or value.
In a faraway sauna, the manager will almost cry if you complain loudly. He/she knows that the chances of you coming back and bringing friends over are slim. In saunas in main areas, they hardly care, they know there are plenty of walk-up customers.
The main areas of CP were pretty much built by the Hong Kong guys (the money comes from their wallets anyway). The further away places is a lot more Taiwan and local guys.
Was in CP on Friday, met up with Fast Eddie. After a BBQ dinner, we decide to check out the talent at HuiMei sauna. Rooms are 238 and 268, depending on size. Girl fee is 300.
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Is there still a Girl + Room fee?
In ZhuHai, they waived the room fee...only counted the 300 or so Girl fee. Even gave me the VIP room for free (during an afternoon).
So if I wanted only a SN fun, are they still gonna count the room fee?
SE Asia Joe
04-18-09, 13:53
Here we are, banished to the 13A floor of the Peninsula KTV - grandiosely named as the VIP floor - but which we know is just the floor that they stick the overflow from the main KTV areas when they run out of rooms downstairs. Oh well - at least this floor IS quite lavishly furnished etc.
Anyway, been noticing sitting here checking my e-mail, the difference between how we, of the various different nationalities/origins act. The ABC's - knockers, knockers and grabbing and massaging these huge mammaries, The Hong Kong guys gambling away with their porcelain faced dollies, The Singaporeans thinking they can get their gals drunk by playing the dice game and the 2 Locals quietly and cooly getting all the proper servicing by their gals - one of which is a University graduate and the other a real courtesan.
Just observing!!
SEAJ
Pointpanic
04-19-09, 05:07
You are right Joe. the Chinese girls here just don't have them let alone hair in all the right places, plus we have been too influenced by U.S. standards, Thank goodness I was able to get my my share of them last week. By the way, one of them (from the upstairs corner store at Yalan ie Bill's boycott) was a rare white tiger with absolutely no hint of shaving after a very close inspection and manipulation. Didn't have to worry about regrowth issues!Just invisioning all of the individuals you are refering too at the Peninsula. Wish I was there.
PP
Here we are, banished to the 13A floor of the Peninsula KTV - grandiosely named as the VIP floor - but which we know is just the floor that they stick the overflow from the main KTV areas when they run out of rooms downstairs. Oh well - at least this floor IS quite lavishly furnished etc.
Anyway, been noticing sitting here checking my e-mail, the difference between how we, of the various different nationalities/origins act. The ABC's - knockers, knockers and grabbing and massaging these huge mammaries, The Hong Kong guys gambling away with their porcelain faced dollies, The Singaporeans thinking they can get their gals drunk by playing the dice game and the 2 Locals quietly and cooly getting all the proper servicing by their gals - one of which is a University graduate and the other a real courtesan.
Just observing!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-20-09, 08:18
You are right Joe. the Chinese girls here just don't have them let alone hair in all the right places, plus we have been too influenced by U.S. standards, Thank goodness I was able to get my my share of them last week. By the way, one of them (from the upstairs corner store at Yalan ie Bill's boycott) was a rare white tiger with absolutely no hint of shaving after a very close inspection and manipulation. Didn't have to worry about regrowth issues!Just invisioning all of the individuals you are refering too at the Peninsula. Wish I was there.
PP
Know what - we oughta start a private list of any and all White tigers we come across and pass it along between us "good guys" who do sometimes like the feel of fresh, soft tenderness of the naturally hairless. Hell, we probably could sell this list - I know that BnLee would pay us big bucks!!
So.... you guys please PMS me your particular contacts. I promise to check out the validity of each and every new entry to the list!!!!!! - And have it available for your perusal when you get into town. Fair Trade?
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-20-09, 08:40
Uuuh... CA has better saunas than CP, especially in terms of service.
As far as saunas in CP itself: the ones further away from the main areas (and maybe just outside of CP itself) offer better service and value too.
The way I see it is that you need critical mass i.e. enough customers to make the town/area into a happening place and to get competition going. But once that happens, the main areas (the ones with the superior locations) are rarely the ones with good service or value.
In a faraway sauna, the manager will almost cry if you complain loudly. He/she knows that the chances of you coming back and bringing friends over are slim. In saunas in main areas, they hardly care, they know there are plenty of walk-up customers.
The main areas of CP were pretty much built by the Hong Kong guys (the money comes from their wallets anyway). The further away places is a lot more Taiwan and local guys.
Validity in what you said - but methinks that the "product" is definitely also the result of what the customers are and how they act when procuring such. And unfortunately CP's been getting more and more "furreners" including those from Western countries (ISG'ers?) as well as from S.E. Asia (Samuels' guys).
These "once in a blue moon" CP mongers do harm in a couple ways -
One, as they know that they've come a long way and is there to really hoop it up, don't give a damn about costs, conventions of the trade - and how their actions will affect other mongers.
Second, as the service providers knows fact one - they'd zero in on these suckers and go to town on them - many times leaving us "regulars" in the lurch; unlike the way that western businesses are run, these Mommas, poppas and gals all know that "loyalty" is a nebulous concept and that what is important is the $$$ right then and there! (which BTW validates your remarks Wadman).
And since Chinese Business Ethics are such, they also really don't give a damn about pleasing these once a year Johnnies!
CA as opposed to CP has a higher proportion of "locals" or 'localized Taiwanese/Hong Kong factory owners etc" customers. These guys - they do NOT take any shit from anybody and never mind "complain" when not satisfied - hell, they regularly take "matters into their own hands" when even unintentionally slighted; and thus the "product" catering to these clients in CA and areas outside of CP has to be of superior quality vs cost etc!
Please Remember - most Local Chinese mongers still consider CP as being too low class for them - that's it's only for the Hong Kong truck drivers and coolies who cain't afford to get their rocks off in Hong Kong - NOT a place for decent mongers to go to!!!
SEAJ
Is there still a Girl + Room fee?
In ZhuHai, they waived the room fee...only counted the 300 or so Girl fee. Even gave me the VIP room for free (during an afternoon).
So if I wanted only a SN fun, are they still gonna count the room fee?
As far as I know the sauna at HuiMei hotel still has their room fee. There isn't much in terms of discounts at the major hotels in CP. I guess P4P is much like real estate: location, location, location.
There are some cheaper, out of the way saunas in CP for 350-400.
Fast Eddie 48
04-20-09, 16:53
As far as I know the sauna at HuiMei hotel still has their room fee. There isn't much in terms of discounts at the major hotels in CP. I guess P4P is much like real estate: location, location, location.
There are some cheaper, out of the way saunas in CP for 350-400. Bruce / Wadman,
The sauna in Zhu hai have just one price paid the sauna after the service and no tip to the girl, I think the girl are train not to ask for tip.
The sauna in Dongguan you paid for the room to the hotel, girl get 300 rmb tip for FS, I am not sure if the girl get to keep all 300 rmb at every sauna, I once ask the girl at new century. She told me yes and the hotel charge 258 rmb for the room, the price is more than double than in Zhu hai but the room is much nicer,they do offer discount 50 rmb for regular or a 100 rmb room discount for next visit good for 30 days .
Fast Eddie 48
Know what. We oughta start a private list of any and all White tigers we come across and pass it along between us "good guys" who do sometimes like the feel of fresh, soft tenderness of the naturally hairless. Hell, we probably could sell this list. I know that BnLee would pay us big bucks!
So. You guys please PMS me your particular contacts. I promise to check out the validity of each and every new entry to the list!. And have it available for your perusal when you get into town. Fair Trade?
SEAJSEAJ
You are correct, I would love to have that list. Maybe getting that list will cure me of the problem or convincing the girls to shave their snatch smooth. As for paying for that list. "me, have no money. Just another poor hard working chino just trying to make ends meet"
Need someone to confirm on this. Visited Peninsula KTV several days ago with some guests. The reservation for the room was booked through a manager called Sandy. Was informed that they had 2 price range for their girls.
First one is the normal girl which had the rate of 2-5-8
Model (A rated) girl was 3-8-12
Minimum spending in the room is 588RMB
Also, we were charged with everything used in the rooms, even including the tissues.
Reason to check these things is to confirm whether we had been overcharged and if yes, then we will not reserve the KTV through this manager again.
SE Asia Joe
04-21-09, 08:51
Need someone to confirm on this. Visited Peninsula KTV several days ago with some guests. The reservation for the room was booked through a manager called Sandy. Was informed that they had 2 price range for their girls.
First one is the normal girl which had the rate of 2-5-8
Model (A rated) girl was 3-8-12
Minimum spending in the room is 588RMB
Also, we were charged with everything used in the rooms, even including the tissues.
Reason to check these things is to confirm whether we had been overcharged and if yes, then we will not reserve the KTV through this manager again.
IMHO - the prices you outlined does NOT seem out of line; RMB588 is about right for the small/medium room - and if you got a bigger room and on a week-end night, then you've even gotten a bargain.
The gals ARE 2-5-8 and the "Model" or "superstar" gals ARE a bit more expensive - something like 3-6-9 or 3-5-10. This is something that the Mommies themselves have to advise you on - for each particular class of gals she brings in. Up to you if acceptable or not - for the majority of gals ARE 2-5-8. More important though is which gals are Wood fish (will go out and screw) and which are Gold fish (only to sit with you at the room) - and the identifying signals. i.e. blue tags/string OK, Red tag - on the rag or name card on left side of dress OK, right side, not OK etc.
Note though, that most of us usually do go above such minimum charges as it don't take much to rack up the bill - which is where one MUST be careful about. I've a few times previously written here what all one must do/setting the rules with the DJ/mommie PRIOR to actually starting the night - to make sure that one does not get a nasty surprise at the end of the evening.
That's more important/I'll repeat as too damn many of you guys just go to the KTV all gang-busters/BSD and end up the night all upset:
- What exactly is the price of the particular liquor to be consumed AND mixers.
- Is there going to be 10 or 15% "Service charge" to be added to bill
- What discounts from the total bill WILL be calcullated - i.e. Pay in HK$ same amount as RMB, or 14% off on bills paid RMB.
- Any speciall offers like B.O.G.O. or B2G1 etc,
- what are the 'freebies' to be given by the DJ, by the mommie/manager - free food, liquor?
- Price of the "mandatory consumables" (i.e. fruit platter, nuts, dried foods etc that's automatically placed in the room at the start of the evening).
- One person MUST sign off on any orders for whatever item
- NO outsiders, mommies, managers, friends of sitting gals coming into room uninvited and partaking of our liquor - giving us face suppossedly (total B.S. - the whole purpose of this is to rack up the bar bill; some KTV's even have "professional drinkers - whose ONLY duty is to go in rooms and drink drink and drink!!)
- No "vendors" of dolls, food, pop-corn, cigarettes etc coming into our room to peddle their wares - with the sitting Gals in cahoot - to pad the bill.
- Timely reminders as to the amount of the bill already racked up - i.e. when minimum surpassed, every RMB 300 thereafter etc.
- NO half empty glasses/bottles cleared and dumped.
- All empty containers saved for inspection/counting at end of nite.
- And if you're really particular, to outline what are the charges for things like tissues - for YES, definitely tissues are routinely charged - so - make sure you/your gals don't spill drinks - and insist that the DJ also have towels to clean up the table (free??)
- How many DJ's required for each room and exact price for @DJ - and if there's gonna be "cleaning charges" tacked on or not. (such cleaning charge is USUALLY only requested by a DJ who you're sweet on or who you want to take out with you - that instead of you waiting for her to clean up the room, you will graciously give her the RMB 30 - 50 to give to a cleaning lady to do it)
- and last, if you've unopened bottles left at end of evening - do get a "storage card" for use the next time you come back (within 1 month usually) and if you're leaving CP soon - then leave these cards with one of us there!! "Orphaned left-over bottles" are what the DJ's use to "Treat" their regular clients - that's how common an occurence it is for guys to leave leftover bottles without getting a storage card.
So...... how much WAS your charge for the evening and for how many guys/gals??
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-21-09, 09:12
SEAJ
You are correct, I would love to have that list. Maybe getting that list will cure me of the problem or convincing the girls to shave their snatch smooth. As for paying for that list. "me, have no money. Just another poor hard working chino just trying to make ends meet"
Hrmmmph.... You ain't heard the expression "No Money No Honey?" or in this case, "No Quais No Bai Hu"
Another method you can obtain "our list" is if you contribute a name, location, price and other details of YOUR own REAL White Tiger - none of that crap shaved or waxed monstrosities!
Now..... all I need is you other guyses co-operation and submissions of names!!
SEAJ
Need someone to confirm on this. Visited Peninsula KTV several days ago with some guests. The reservation for the room was booked through a manager called Sandy. Was informed that they had 2 price range for their girls.
First one is the normal girl which had the rate of 2-5-8
Model (A rated) girl was 3-8-12
Most of the peninsula girls are the 2-5-8 category.
Minimum spending in the room is 588RMB
Sounds about right. For 588, I don't think you get a very big room either.
Also, we were charged with everything used in the rooms, even including the tissues.
Unfortunately, most of the major KTVs charge for tissue paper, water fee, fruit plates, etc. All the nickel and diming stuff. Unless you know the mommy or DJ (but DJs have less power) really well, I don't think there is a way to avoid this at the big KTVs.
Sukhumvitter
04-21-09, 10:01
Excellent list of questions Joe! Very helpful.
For a new KTV, do you go to there in the afternoon before the "party" to establish this stuff, or do you go early that same night before the "gang" arrives? Or do you only go to new KTVs where a friend has already given you an insider (and their phone number) to talk to?
I've always been the "guest" at the KTV parties and paid my fair share to the guy organizing the room, but I've never been the "host", so this stuff is good to know.
Thanks!
IMHO - the prices you outlined does NOT seem out of line; RMB588 is about right for the small/medium room - and if you got a bigger room and on a week-end night, then you've even gotten a bargain.
The gals ARE 2-5-8 and the "Model" or "superstar" gals ARE a bit more expensive - something like 3-6-9 or 3-5-10. This is something that the Mommies themselves have to advise you on - for each particular class of gals she brings in. Up to you if acceptable or not - for the majority of gals ARE 2-5-8. More important though is which gals are Wood fish (will go out and screw) and which are Gold fish (only to sit with you at the room) - and the identifying signals. i.e. blue tags/string OK, Red tag - on the rag or name card on left side of dress OK, right side, not OK etc.
Note though, that most of us usually do go above such minimum charges as it don't take much to rack up the bill - which is where one MUST be careful about. I've a few times previously written here what all one must do/setting the rules with the DJ/mommie PRIOR to actually starting the night - to make sure that one does not get a nasty surprise at the end of the evening.
That's more important/I'll repeat as too damn many of you guys just go to the KTV all gang-busters/BSD and end up the night all upset:
- What exactly is the price of the particular liquor to be consumed AND mixers.
- Is there going to be 10 or 15% "Service charge" to be added to bill
- What discounts from the total bill WILL be calcullated - i.e. Pay in HK$ same amount as RMB, or 14% off on bills paid RMB.
- Any speciall offers like B.O.G.O. or B2G1 etc,
- what are the 'freebies' to be given by the DJ, by the mommie/manager - free food, liquor?
- Price of the "mandatory consumables" (i.e. fruit platter, nuts, dried foods etc that's automatically placed in the room at the start of the evening).
- One person MUST sign off on any orders for whatever item
- NO outsiders, mommies, managers, friends of sitting gals coming into room uninvited and partaking of our liquor - giving us face suppossedly (total B.S. - the whole purpose of this is to rack up the bar bill; some KTV's even have "professional drinkers - whose ONLY duty is to go in rooms and drink drink and drink!!)
- No "vendors" of dolls, food, pop-corn, cigarettes etc coming into our room to peddle their wares - with the sitting Gals in cahoot - to pad the bill.
- Timely reminders as to the amount of the bill already racked up - i.e. when minimum surpassed, every RMB 300 thereafter etc.
- NO half empty glasses/bottles cleared and dumped.
- All empty containers saved for inspection/counting at end of nite.
- And if you're really particular, to outline what are the charges for things like tissues - for YES, definitely tissues are routinely charged - so - make sure you/your gals don't spill drinks - and insist that the DJ also have towels to clean up the table (free??)
- How many DJ's required for each room and exact price for @DJ - and if there's gonna be "cleaning charges" tacked on or not. (such cleaning charge is USUALLY only requested by a DJ who you're sweet on or who you want to take out with you - that instead of you waiting for her to clean up the room, you will graciously give her the RMB 30 - 50 to give to a cleaning lady to do it)
- and last, if you've unopened bottles left at end of evening - do get a "storage card" for use the next time you come back (within 1 month usually) and if you're leaving CP soon - then leave these cards with one of us there!! "Orphaned left-over bottles" are what the DJ's use to "Treat" their regular clients - that's how common an occurence it is for guys to leave leftover bottles without getting a storage card.
So...... how much WAS your charge for the evening and for how many guys/gals??
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-21-09, 10:12
Guys - I've never endorsed any businesses but I will for the Lotus Bar area as I do NOT want this place to close down for lack of business (it certainly is in such danger - as cheap as things there are and as few people as there are who knows this place). Plus I DID promise the owner of the complex that I would publicize his place here. Hope I'm not breaking any ISG rules etc - as I do earnestly believe that this is a good place for ISG'ers to go to when they're in Chang Ping. NOTE: I do NOT have any interest - financial or otherwise - AT ALL - in this place - just helping out a good guy!
OK - the place is "The Lotus Bar Area" and is modelled after the famous umbrella bars in Zhuhai. There are a about a dozen or so of these 12x12 feet open air bar surrounded by bar benches and manned by individual gals whose main duty is to sell beer, drink such, play games and chit chat with you - and the beers are as cheap as RMB 8 to 15 each!
The owner of the whole complex is Winky Wong - and he is ex-San Francisco and vancouver BC., ABC who'd return to China and started this area. (I've posted his picture with his girl friend below) He is of course English speaking and very helpful/informative about what all is happening in CP. Some (very few!) of the gals are also English speaking (sort of!!) whilst Sandy, the wife of one of his partner is quite fluent - and also very classically beautiful and sexy for her age!! (Ps. she's not THAT old, perhaps mid 20's - but I guess a bit old at CP standards!!!!)
The bar area is surrounded by a dozen or so "barbecue stands" with some of the cheapest damn beer I've found in CP (God knows if theyr'e fake or if they're even rot gut - but they are CHEAP - at as low as RMB3 for a large bottle!!) and also VERY cheap barbecues. 4 of you could sit around these restaurants for HOURS, get stuffed... and totally drunk.... for under RMB 60 TOTAL! BTW - 18 huge barbecued but fresh Oysters are only RMB 30.
But Please do NOT just hang around the barbecue stands - as it wouldn't help Winky out at all !! He just "sub-lets" these restaurants and his main income is from his own umbrella bars!! If his umbrella bars fold, then the whole area would also go Kaput!!
Make it a point to sit at the bar, ask for Winky or his english speaking partners and chit chat with him/them. For you "Noobies" - what a helluva way to get pointers in CP!! And then order and drink the cheap beer and have a good time with the gals there. Who knows - you may just get lucky (don't count on it with the bar tenders though - these gals are NOT common W.G.'s - and only want to sell beer!) - especially if you get a chance to chat with one of the many "After-Duty" KTV gals who do go there to hang out after work. The place stays open practically till dawn and thus an easy and cheap place for these KTV gals to go to.
WHERE - on Swan Lake Road, on the same side of the street as the Clipper and Swan Lake Hotels and half way between The Clipper and the Manhattan Hotel (across the street). Enter the place through a wide passage way lit by X-mas tree lighting, walk about 30 feet onto an open court yard where you will be greeted by what I described above.
Thanks for reading this and say Hi to Winky for me if you do go there!!
SE Asia Joe
SE Asia Joe
04-21-09, 10:51
excellent list of questions joe! very helpful.
for a new ktv, do you go to there in the afternoon before the "party" to establish this stuff, or do you go early that same night before the "gang" arrives? or do you only go to new ktvs where a friend has already given you an insider (and their phone number) to talk to?
i've always been the "guest" at the ktv parties and paid my fair share to the guy organizing the room, but i've never been the "host", so this stuff is good to know.
thanks!
naahhhh.... not that onerous!!
just go there with the rest of the guys and grab the dj (together with whoever you've booked the room with if not her) and outline what is expected then. the music would not be turned on yet, the gal parade wouldn't start right away - and you take this time to not only give your instructions to the staff - but also to "show" (or even outline to ) others in your party that there are instructions given to ensure we do not get ripped off. and thus let them know that you also expect cooperation and certain "standards of behaviour" from them.
btw - let me tell you that being "host" as you put it - is actually not a lot of fun for the "host." i certainly much prefer to be guest - but then, if the "host" do not lay down the "rules" - all of us end up getting ripped off.
thus sometimes, i cain't help but put in my 2 cents before the start of proceedings - and end up being "host" instead of just having a good time!! i mean, you actually end up having to be a quasi-l.e. - and what's the fun in that??!! and let me tell you, some guys - especially those who've you've just met - thru introduction of another monger, from this board and from the "other" board etc etc can be real pain in the asses!! total assholes!!
i've even had to "intervene" when one of these assholes angrily told a momma to drink 8 bottles of beer to give him face!! (my dj alerted me as soon as she knew this was happening - this is what a good dj would do!!).
shit - 8 bottles is easily over rmb 250 - to give him face? i told her she did not need to drink it all (she was already on her 3rd bottle) and just to get out of the room. and what was the mommy's crime? well, it was because her gal who had been 'sitting' with this ass hole had refused to sit with him any longer - and the mommy had dared to ask him to still pay the rmb 200 sitting fee.
at first, i thought - hmmmmm... what the hell is that all about? well the mommy had left and thru the dj had told me that she's sorry but to please still ask for rmb 100 (not 200) - which of course this a hole still refused "as a matter of principle." well, via the dj, i told the mommy to please just forget about it - which she did as i guess she knows that i am quite a frequent customer there. i then told this asshole that he now didn't need to pay anything at all - that he's won on the "matter of principle" but that having done so, he should now give some money to her. but again he refused to do so. (his choice of course - but i told him that he's only inviting problems).
then the real story emerges - as i was quite puzzled as to what this was all about. ok - what happened was that this asshole had forced the gal to go into the bathroom with him and there and then he had tried to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her!! true - that's what the gal got all upset about. and - why did this idiot try to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her in the bath room?? well, according to his buddy there, it was because if he "did" her in the bathroom - without actually taking her out "short time" - then all he would need to pay was rmb 200 instead of 500!! he's done this quite a few times in the past. can you believe this?!!! idiot!!! total idiot!!
seaj
ps. always enumerate your demands and expectations each time you go to any ktv - even ones you've visited dozens of times before. don't just presume that "your" dj/mommy knows what is expected as you've outlined it all before. this is china after all!!
Bad Boy Billy
04-21-09, 11:14
Guys - I've never endorsed any businesses but I will for the Lotus Bar ...................... I do earnestly believe that this is a good place for ISG'ers to go to when they're in Chang Ping. NOTE: I do NOT have any interest - financial or otherwise - AT ALL - in this place - just helping out a good guy!Joe - fabulous information.
Why did you not post this earlier - this is the type of info I am desperate for -I am not a KTV guy - I yearn for any place to down a few beers and shoot the shit with anybody - thank you so much.
What time does it kick off?
SE Asia Joe
04-21-09, 11:24
Joe - fabulous information.
Why did you not post this earlier - this is the type of info I am desperate for -I am not a KTV guy - I yearn for any place to down a few beers and shoot the shit with anybody - thank you so much.
What time does it kick off?
Eerrrrr...... I guess its because I didn't know if appropriate to post such info up or not.
After all, the Lotus Bar IS just a commercial place and I just didn't know if OK to endorse such a "Non-P4P" establishment here or not. What do you guys think? More important - what do you - JACKSON - say about this?
I'm not 100% sure when it kicks off - but presume it should be around when it gets a bit dark at night (???!!). After all, I would think some of the locals WOULD go there for a cheap dinner.
SEAJ
After all, the Lotus Bar IS just a commercial place and I just didn't know if OK to endorse such a "Non-P4P" establishment here or not.
Thank you for the advice. I'll add this to one of my "to do" list. There's plenty of posts for eateries, veggie massages, DVD shops, etc. that are non p4p, so adding info like this certainly helps when recuperating or just wanting to hang out.
I'll be sure to go and have a few non-alcoholic drinks (don't drink), hopefully get to chat with Winky, and just suck in the atmosphere. Sounds like a cool way to spend a few hours.
Joe - fabulous information.
Why did you not post this earlier - this is the type of info I am desperate for -I am not a KTV guy - I yearn for any place to down a few beers and shoot the shit with anybody - thank you so much.
What time does it kick off?
Don't have great expectations here. None of the girls speak english and, as Joe already said, they are not available for hire. Consequently, they earn very little. Generally tipping is not part of the culture, but I sometimes discretely slipped the girls a tip (10 or 20 rmb) if they tried talking with me. I can communicate in chinese ok but I'm not "conversational". The girls make a very small commission from each beer you buy.
You probably will not have much opportunity to "shoot the shit" unless you are with buddies. You might meet a few Hong Kong or Taiwanese guys you can talk with.
There is a similar location in the alley behind the Lucky Hotel selling latenight cheap beer and oysters. A young guy called Prince working in the second shop speaks good english. It's not as nice as Lotus, but convenient if you are in the area. Here they only have tables where you might end up sitting alone, at Lotus they have little barstands and barstools where it is easier to mingle.
The girls arrive to work at 6pm. I think the busy hours are 11pm to 3am.
Joe - fabulous information.
Why did you not post this earlier - this is the type of info I am desperate for -I am not a KTV guy - I yearn for any place to down a few beers and shoot the shit with anybody - thank you so much.
What time does it kick off?
Either 5 or 6 pm, just in time for dinner
Don't have great expectations here. None of the girls speak english and, as Joe already said, they are not available for hire. Consequently, they earn very little.
True, generally speaking very few girls in Dongguan speak English, maybe 1% speak converstional English.
The owner claims the bar girls at the beer bars make 2000-3000 rmb per month when commission is included. I guess that is a optimistic figure; I asked a couple of them, and they said 1500 a month. They are going home, not enough money.
That may be difficult, going to beer bars, and not drinking.
BTW, I am posting from Peninsula KTV, after God knows how many glasses of red wine (diluted with 7-up mind you), so excuse me if I am rambling a bit.
Thank you for the advice. I'll add this to one of my "to do" list. There's plenty of posts for eateries, veggie massages, DVD shops, etc. that are non p4p, so adding info like this certainly helps when recuperating or just wanting to hang out.
I'll be sure to go and have a few non-alcoholic drinks (don't drink), hopefully get to chat with Winky, and just suck in the atmosphere. Sounds like a cool way to spend a few hours.
I can communicate in chinese ok but I'm not "conversational".
My poor communication and translation skills recently caused a misunderstanding, botched a negotiation and got me into trouble with a good friend. I guess I should be more careful in the future, even with good intentions, and try not to get involved.
If you are not a native speaker, beware!
Are you classifying white tiger as complete hairless, or very fine/minimal hair. I've yet to find a bai hu, but very close. you have to look hard sometimes.
So should their be a bai hu scale (10 complete nothing, 1 less than 20 hairs?)
......BTW, I am posting from Peninsula KTV, after God knows how many glasses of red wine (diluted with 7-up mind you), so excuse me if I am rambling a bit.Are you drinking that "Great Wall"brand red wine? That stuff is worse than the ripples that the guys on skid row drinks. China needs to make some good red wine. The first time I had it, I almost choke. I need more than 7UP mixed with it to drink it. I need to be stone drunk before I will drink that god awful wine that the locals make.
Hrmmmph.... You ain't heard the expression "No Money No Honey?" or in this case, "No Quais No Bai Hu"
Another method you can obtain "our list" is if you contribute a name, location, price and other details of YOUR own REAL White Tiger - none of that crap shaved or waxed monstrosities!
Now..... all I need is you other guyses co-operation and submissions of names!!
SEAJYou gather up all the white tigers, almost white tigers and wannabe (I will teach them how to be a white tiger. Teach them my secret techniques) and I will personally certify them for the group. On some, I will even do a "taste" test just to make sure. And for you "Da Lo" aka SEAJ, I will only charge you $1000rmb per girl/certification. Sorry no credit just cash and no fake "uncle mao" notes. Make sure that they are over 18. 5-23yo.
Ahh. I should have study OB/GYN when I was in college. Too late now.
I need to make some serious money, after my accountant show me my recent balance on my 401K. Ahh. Help a bro out.
Bad Boy Billy
04-21-09, 22:45
Eerrrrr...... I guess its because I didn't know if appropriate to post such info up or not............After all, the Lotus Bar IS just a commercial place and I just didn't know if OK to endorse such a "Non-P4P" establishment here or not. Of course it is OK - anything associated with w.h.o.r.e hunting is not only permitted but indeed is REQUIRED.
Food outlets, eating establishments, bars to 're-charge' or 'relax' between rounds, maps to find locations, ATM locations or currency exchange outlets, hotel info, transport info - indeed any topic that allows, assists or in any other manner makes the whole 'pussy hunting' concept easier, more enjoyable or more accessable is WELCOMED and REQUIRED on ISG.
Bad Boy Billy
04-21-09, 22:53
Are you classifying white tiger as complete hairless, or very fine/minimal hair. I've yet to find a bai hu, but very close. you have to look hard sometimes.
So should their be a bai hu scale (10 complete nothing, 1 less than 20 hairs?)Should be no scale - a 'white tiger' is a 'white tiger' - nothing short of naturally totally bald / free of all pubic hair pussy should qualify - IMHO of course.
Personally have never found one in China - that is next mission - here is the only 'white tiger' I have had to date - and she was in Angeles City, Philippines - I guess she is really a slightly brown tiger huh guys?
Bad Boy Billy
04-21-09, 23:00
Don't have great expectations here. None of the girls speak english and, as Joe already said, they are not available for hire.....................You probably will not have much opportunity to "shoot the shit" unless you are with buddies....................The girls arrive to work at 6pm. I think the busy hours are 11pm to 3am.Was not necessarily expecting 'play' from the employees here - just a place to sit and drink withiout looking / feeling like a total 'leper' as I did sitting all alone at that bar in Miraton having a drink on my own.
I have been to many countries with zero language skills in any of them - never have problems communicating / having fun with locals. Maybe 'shoot the shit' was the wrong terminology - 'relax' and 'chill out' may have been better. IMHO the one thing I did miss in CP was some place like this - if you are hunting alone - KTV not an alternative - but this type of place if there is simply a bit of activity would make a world of difference.
IMHO - the prices you outlined does NOT seem out of line; RMB588 is about right for the small/medium room - and if you got a bigger room and on a week-end night, then you've even gotten a bargain.
The gals ARE 2-5-8 and the "Model" or "superstar" gals ARE a bit more expensive - something like 3-6-9 or 3-5-10. This is something that the Mommies themselves have to advise you on - for each particular class of gals she brings in. Up to you if acceptable or not - for the majority of gals ARE 2-5-8. More important though is which gals are Wood fish (will go out and screw) and which are Gold fish (only to sit with you at the room) - and the identifying signals. i.e. blue tags/string OK, Red tag - on the rag or name card on left side of dress OK, right side, not OK etc.
Note though, that most of us usually do go above such minimum charges as it don't take much to rack up the bill - which is where one MUST be careful about. I've a few times previously written here what all one must do/setting the rules with the DJ/mommie PRIOR to actually starting the night - to make sure that one does not get a nasty surprise at the end of the evening.
That's more important/I'll repeat as too damn many of you guys just go to the KTV all gang-busters/BSD and end up the night all upset:
- What exactly is the price of the particular liquor to be consumed AND mixers.
- Is there going to be 10 or 15% "Service charge" to be added to bill
- What discounts from the total bill WILL be calcullated - i.e. Pay in HK$ same amount as RMB, or 14% off on bills paid RMB.
- Any speciall offers like B.O.G.O. or B2G1 etc,
- what are the 'freebies' to be given by the DJ, by the mommie/manager - free food, liquor?
- Price of the "mandatory consumables" (i.e. fruit platter, nuts, dried foods etc that's automatically placed in the room at the start of the evening).
- One person MUST sign off on any orders for whatever item
- NO outsiders, mommies, managers, friends of sitting gals coming into room uninvited and partaking of our liquor - giving us face suppossedly (total B.S. - the whole purpose of this is to rack up the bar bill; some KTV's even have "professional drinkers - whose ONLY duty is to go in rooms and drink drink and drink!!)
- No "vendors" of dolls, food, pop-corn, cigarettes etc coming into our room to peddle their wares - with the sitting Gals in cahoot - to pad the bill.
- Timely reminders as to the amount of the bill already racked up - i.e. when minimum surpassed, every RMB 300 thereafter etc.
- NO half empty glasses/bottles cleared and dumped.
- All empty containers saved for inspection/counting at end of nite.
- And if you're really particular, to outline what are the charges for things like tissues - for YES, definitely tissues are routinely charged - so - make sure you/your gals don't spill drinks - and insist that the DJ also have towels to clean up the table (free??)
- How many DJ's required for each room and exact price for @DJ - and if there's gonna be "cleaning charges" tacked on or not. (such cleaning charge is USUALLY only requested by a DJ who you're sweet on or who you want to take out with you - that instead of you waiting for her to clean up the room, you will graciously give her the RMB 30 - 50 to give to a cleaning lady to do it)
- and last, if you've unopened bottles left at end of evening - do get a "storage card" for use the next time you come back (within 1 month usually) and if you're leaving CP soon - then leave these cards with one of us there!! "Orphaned left-over bottles" are what the DJ's use to "Treat" their regular clients - that's how common an occurence it is for guys to leave leftover bottles without getting a storage card.
So...... how much WAS your charge for the evening and for how many guys/gals??
SEAJ
Total charge for the evening for:
2500 for the room and drinks and snacks and fruits and the goddamn tissues
200+300 to pay out the gals we did not take out
1200+1200+1200 for the model gals we took out
200 for the DJ
Every charges seemed just right except for the model gals' rate which i never heard of in DG thread.
I will have to say that, all in all, the 2-5-8 peninsula gal was just too damn ordinary. We got there at 6.30 and even got upstairs browsing for a suitable 2-5-8 gals on our own but to no avail did we find an eye candy. Perhaps DG KTV scene starts at 6pm?
SE Asia Joe
04-22-09, 10:23
Total charge for the evening for:
2500 for the room and drinks and snacks and fruits and the goddamn tissues
200+300 to pay out the gals we did not take out
1200+1200+1200 for the model gals we took out
200 for the DJ
Every charges seemed just right except for the model gals' rate which i never heard of in DG thread.
I will have to say that, all in all, the 2-5-8 peninsula gal was just too damn ordinary. We got there at 6.30 and even got upstairs browsing for a suitable 2-5-8 gals on our own but to no avail did we find an eye candy. Perhaps DG KTV scene starts at 6pm?
Yowich!!! Far as I can tell, there were only the 3 of you? Plus 5 gals? And just the KTV bill was 2,500 + 200 DJ? And thus 2,700 or 900 each?! what/how much were you guys drinking?? Or did they detect you were newbies and one-time-Johnnies, and thus went to town on you?
Your original question was about the 588 minimum charge - and if you ended paying what I figured you did - you guys really got ripped off!! (unless of course if you were drinking expensive liquors and/or are heavy duty drinkers). If you were drinking beer - at RMB 380/doz, B2G1 - you must have consumed at least 9 dozen beers. 6 dozen at 380/Doz@ = 2,280 (gratis 3 dozen) = 220 for the fruit platter etc.
SEAJ
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-22-09, 10:38
You gather up all the white tigers, almost white tigers and wannabe (I will teach them how to be a white tiger. Teach them my secret techniques) and I will personally certify them for the group. On some, I will even do a "taste" test just to make sure. And for you "Da Lo" aka SEAJ, I will only charge you $1000rmb per girl/certification. Sorry no credit just cash and no fake "uncle mao" notes. Make sure that they are over 18. 5-23yo.
Ahh. I should have study OB/GYN when I was in college. Too late now.
I need to make some serious money, after my accountant show me my recent balance on my 401K. Ahh. Help a bro out.
Hah! N-O.......F-R-E-A-K-I-N'.........W-A-Y !!!!
One - I get to do the taste test, Two - you're gonna butcher the "close to being White tigers" in OUR list.
And by the way - I've already gotten PMS'd and started the list with TWIN White Tigers - YUP TWINS!! Eat your heart out Bnlee!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-22-09, 10:56
I will have to say that, all in all, the 2-5-8 peninsula gal was just too damn ordinary. We got there at 6.30 and even got upstairs browsing for a suitable 2-5-8 gals on our own but to no avail did we find an eye candy. Perhaps DG KTV scene starts at 6pm?
2-5-8 gals too damn ordinary?? Come on guy - this is CP!!! Not Shanghai, not Macau and not even Crown Prince in HuangJiang nearby.
OK, perhaps I'm showing my pedestrian taste, but to me the Peninsula does have quite a good selection of gals - at least on par with the other KTVs in CP - and as far as the Model/superstar category - they ain't nuthin' special exceptin' that they're taller. And I cannot remember that they were as high priced as you'd outlined.
A couple months ago, we hit the Peninsula quite late - approx 9:30 pm and was of course presented with a mediocre selection. I managed to get this gal and took her ST - which was when she told me that she actually was a "model" category - but that she had gone ahead and sold herself as being an ordinary 2-5-8 gal. Reason being that she did not manage to get a sitting booking at a "model" price and rather than remaining unsold, had jumped at sitting with me at 2-5-8.
Going back to your pricing - are you sure the Mommie told you 3-8-12?? If I remember correctly, the Pen's "model price" was 3-6-9. Did the mommie read that you were unsatisfied with the 2-5-8 selection AND read that you were a BSD, and thus willing to pay whatever to get the best? Did she also detect that you were gonna be a one time customer? You think she went to town on you and your buds?
Remember - flexible pricing is the norm in China (down in my case above - and way way up for you??)
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-22-09, 11:07
Should be no scale - a 'white tiger' is a 'white tiger' - nothing short of naturally totally bald / free of all pubic hair pussy should qualify - IMHO of course.
Personally have never found one in China - that is next mission - here is the only 'white tiger' I have had to date - and she was in Angeles City, Philippines - I guess she is really a slightly brown tiger huh guys?
NICE NICE NICE!!!
And yes I agree, there are quite a few "near" white tigers - and very very few true W.T.'s.
And yes, we should rate them - a full 100 for gals like your AC gal, 95 if with 5 hairs, 90 if with 10 hairs and so on. What do you guys think? Freepeak's idea of rating them 10 for being totally hairless and 1 less point for each 20 hairs would end up with us even including gals with 200 hairs!! I'm suggesting a "cut off" point of maximum 100 hairs - which is probably already too damn much!!
You guys reading here are probably thinking that this all don't make sense - that gals with few hairs would most likely just shave it all off. But that is NOT what I've found out - most of these "near W.T.s'" usually are adamant about hanging on to what few pubic hairs that they do have. Don't ask me why - they just do.
SEAJ
Hah! N-O.......F-R-E-A-K-I-N'.........W-A-Y !!!!
One - I get to do the taste test, Two - you're gonna butcher the "close to being White tigers" in OUR list.
And by the way - I've already gotten PMS'd and started the list with TWIN White Tigers - YUP TWINS!! Eat your heart out Bnlee!
SEAJHey Uncle Joe
I was trying to get on your good side of taking all those white tiger and help you check them out. I know you like the hairy ones, the hairer the better. That is the way you like them. I promise that I will do no more multilation or shaving of them. I'm not butcher. Maybe a crazy shaver. But that is all. If you like them hairy, I know an italian girl that even sport a bit of hair around her nips and some on her face. I will PM you her number. Gratis. Hairy gals are just not my cup of tea.
Now, be a good guy and send me those poor twin white tiger. They probably have not had business for a long time. Let me help them out.
NICE NICE NICE!
And yes I agree, there are quite a few "near" white tigers. And very very few true W. T. 's.
And yes, we should rate them. A full 100 for gals like your AC gal, 95 if with 5 hairs, 90 if with 10 hairs and so on. What do you guys think? Freepeak's idea of rating them 10 for being totally hairless and 1 less point for each 20 hairs would end up with us even including gals with 200 hairs! I'm suggesting a "cut off" point of maximum 100 hairs. Which is probably already too damn much!
You guys reading here are probably thinking that this all don't make sense. That gals with few hairs would most likely just shave it all off. But that is NOT what I've found out. Most of these "near W. T. S'" usually are adamant about hanging on to what few pubic hairs that they do have. Don't ask me why. They just do.
SEAJHey Uncle SEAJ
Me want to apply for the humble job of pussy hair counter. I will even do a double count for every "white tiger or wannabe".
SE Asia Joe
04-23-09, 06:53
Hey Uncle Joe
I was trying to get on your good side of taking all those white tiger and help you check them out. I know you like the hairy ones, the hairer the better. That is the way you like them. I promise that I will do no more multilation or shaving of them. I'm not butcher. Maybe a crazy shaver. But that is all. If you like them hairy, I know an italian girl that even sport a bit of hair around her nips and some on her face. I will PM you her number. Gratis. Hairy gals are just not my cup of tea.
Now, be a good guy and send me those poor twin white tiger. They probably have not had business for a long time. Let me help them out.
UNCLE? You're calling me .... UNCLE??!! Wot - you're trying to convince yourself that you're stilll a young buck???!!!
OK OK OK - I AM OLD - but Hurmmmpphhh - I can still do my own counting thank you very much!!
And as far as my "tastes" are concerned - NO, I don't necessarily like 'em hairy or hairless or whatever - I just much prefer that Pussy hair be left au naturelle. Period! And NOOOOOOOO - I don't like hairy nipples, or hairy face - but then again its all just a matter of differing appreciation/ aesthtics in a gal. Period.
Hairy arm-pits - cain't decide yet! Sort of gross, but then also sort of erotic. It's natural though!!
SEAJ
Yowich!!! Far as I can tell, there were only the 3 of you? Plus 5 gals? And just the KTV bill was 2,500 + 200 DJ? And thus 2,700 or 900 each?! what/how much were you guys drinking?? Or did they detect you were newbies and one-time-Johnnies, and thus went to town on you?
Your original question was about the 588 minimum charge - and if you ended paying what I figured you did - you guys really got ripped off!! (unless of course if you were drinking expensive liquors and/or are heavy duty drinkers). If you were drinking beer - at RMB 380/doz, B2G1 - you must have consumed at least 9 dozen beers. 6 dozen at 380/Doz@ = 2,280 (gratis 3 dozen) = 220 for the fruit platter etc.
SEAJ
SEAJ
Yep, we did drank 2 bottles of expensive cognac hence the more expensive bills.
What I really want to question is the price structure of the model gals. I recalled when researching in the thread is that the model gal pricing should be 3-6-9 and I confirmed 2 times with the manager and 2 times with the mommy and was told firmly that the model gals pricing was 3-8-12.
Need to add that the model gals pricing structure was informed before I start choosing the gals. Also, that I asked the manager repeatedly that I heard from a good friend that the model gals pricing structure should be 3-6-9. But was firmly told that it was 3-8-12.
Maybe the price raise was due to the Canton Fair period?? Can any senior member confirm on this when they visit Peninsula KTV next time? Thanks.
To trim or not to trim?
Well, if it's hanging down to her knees and sprouting out of her nipples, then what?
Blacklisted
04-24-09, 02:05
Good day Gentlemen, this is my first posting in at least 12 months and I just want to say a big hello to all you guys. Finally sorted out a VPN to get through the China firewall craziness.
AG, WSG and I will be in CP from Thursday 30th April to the 2nd and we are exceptionally keen to hook up with some brothers down there. Unfortunately OAH will be mongering in far away lands during that time and will not be able to join us.
However, being the KTV loving fiends that we are and also seeing as it will be World Shanghai Guy's first time in CP (yes, CP virgin), I am sure that a rather large KTV event is a must, either Thurs or Fri.
Please PM me those interested.
SE Asia Joe - will you be around? Sent you an sms but not sure you received....
Cheers!!
AG, WSG and I will be in CP from Thursday 30th April to the 2nd and we are exceptionally keen to hook up with some brothers down there..
Cheers!!
THE great ACE Gallant??
Taiwan's been desolate since he's left. His ktv reports were legendary...
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