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02-22-04, 21:45
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JimmyDR
02-22-04, 22:04
1. Its your money!

2. Never settle for less than you want!

3. Its your money!

4. Never let the fuglies get the better of you, market rate dictates they should be paying you, but they never do. Just walk away.

5. Don't fall in Love ever!!!

6. Learn from other mongers mistakes, we all make them.

7. Never be afraid to walk out of a place cause the selection sucks.

8. Don't fall in love with them, its their job.

9. Its your money!

10. When a friend pays, money is no object. (Its not your money!)

ChicagoBoy23
02-22-04, 22:24
Know your pricing. Check it out on this site.

I overpaid so badly my first few times it was pathetic.

Definitely lot easier overseas - this board overcomes problems of language and where to look.

Highly recommend both Russia and Buenos Aires

JimmyDR
02-22-04, 22:27
Highly recommend both Russia and Buenos Aires


Whats the flight times from USA and average cost?

Response:
Chicago is long way

4 hour flight to Miami - 1 hr stop over 10 hr night flight to BA

NY to Miami is 2.5 hours.

Chicago fare (coach) ~ $900



I see cheaper fares from many other cities.

MeatMan
02-22-04, 22:44
1.Went trolling by foot, ALWAYS scan the area For law enforcement or dangerous activity.If it's too "hot", move on.

2.Keep the prices FAIR so the next guy in line gets his fair shot!

3.Never expect to recive more than what the women has too offer.When she says "anything you want" It's usually bait and switch.


5. IT'S YOUR MONEY! AND YOUR RULES!

6.Most Importantly,Use you bigger head,NOT the little one.

GauntMan
03-29-04, 18:57
Maybe this has been addressed before, but Ill ask anyways.
Why not post a message with all the little sex acronyms like BBBJ, I know a couple but if anyone knows the rest please post them!!!

BBBJ - bareback blow job
GFE - girl friend experience
CBJ - covered blow job

Joe Zop
03-29-04, 19:16
If you look up at the top in the black bar, you'll see a link called "Terms & Abbreviations" that covers all of the most commonly used ones.

Three I
03-29-04, 19:48
Remember these few commanments!

1. Never tip before service! You will alway get bad service if you do!

2. Remember you are in control you are paying them for service not the other way around! Some girls are lazy and just lay there tell the mama and kick them to the curb.

3. A massage girl always lie!

4. The cute young girl that smile alot are the worse fucks!

5. Koreans provide the best service!

6. You are not their friend!

7. They lie to themselves, their family and you!

8. Never tip first!

9. Never any truth only more lies!

10. What ever age they give you add 10 years to it!



If you want to add more please do so!

Mighty Spearsman
03-29-04, 20:58
Commandment #11: Always read WSG Forum first!

If Bill Clinton had followed this rule, maybe he would have gone to Downtown AMP to get his rocks off rather than get into trouble with Monica.

Seriously, I have always found WSG to be invaluable, to learn where to go, who to look for, who to avoid, how much to pay, etc. This is obvious advice but is still worth stating.

For example, if you're planning to go to an AMP, always check here first to learn the names of the best girls, especially one who is no longer working there. That way, when you go to an AMP and the mamasan asks you "have you been here before?" you can say, "yes, last time I was with Coco (or whatever the name is)" even though you'd never been there before, they'll think that you're a repeat customer. The mamasan will probably reply "sorry, Coco no work here anymore, I find you nice new girl." I can almost guarantee that you'll have a good session.

Commandment #12: The Korean AMP girls who speak little or no English usually provide better service than the Korean who speaks fluent English.

Commandment #13: a variation of *******'s Rule #7 - Never be afraid to walk out of a place halfway through a massage if things are going badly, even though you've already paid the $40 house fee. At vthe worst, you'll be out what you already paid to the house, and there's always a chance that the mamasan will give you a full or partial refund, or else try to make things right somehow by switching to a different girl.

Strong support for MeatMan's Rule #1 and *******'s Rule #7 - don't ever be afraid to just walk away from a potentially-bad or suspicious situation and try again another day. If your gut tells you that something isn't right, then there is probably is something wrong going on, especially on the streets. Go home and beat off, and remember that tomorrow is another day, and that every year there is a new crop of 18 year old girls just waiting for us!

*************

A Respectful Disagreement with Three X - At many (but not all) AMPs, you are usually better off to pay the tip up-front, right after the table shower. Always check first with WSG Forum to find out which AMPs this is true for - for example, at Downtown, Supra and CPHC in Washington, DC, and at Hong Kong and Magic in Waterbury, CT, it is always better to lay 5 jacksons on the table right after the shower, while at New Seoul in Vernon, CT one should always leave a small tip at the end (since it's a HJ-only place).

Reputable places in Houston that have a fixed-price policy (Maria's, Latin Sensation Studio, Lucia's, Escape in Houston, etc.) will require that you pay up front, but screen and train their employees carefully to minimize the chance of a bad session. And in the rare case where you do have a bad session, they will try to rectify any problems you may have afterwards if you let them know that the service was not up to snuff.

JimmyDR
03-29-04, 21:30
Remember these few commanments!

1. Never tip before service! You will alway get bad service if you do!

2. Remember you are in control you are paying them for service not the other way around! Some girls are lazy and just lay there tell the mama and kick them to the curb. No tip

3. A massage girl always lie! All the time

4. The cute young girl that smile alot are the worse fucks!

5. Koreans provide the best service!

6. You are not their friend! They hate us.

7. They lie to themselves, their family and you!

8. Never tip first! If at the end they want more, grab your tip and give less.

9. Never any truth only more lies!

10. What ever age they give you add 10 years to it! Sometimes 15-20 more



If you want to add more please do so!

NY Monger
03-29-04, 22:42
Someone much wiser than me, said the First Rule of mongering is- Never get caught. Everything else follows from that.

1. You need to understand the consequences of getting caught by your SO, boss and society. First two are very hard to figure out. Society tells you the rules - go figure it out! If you think you may get caught, and the cost is high for you, this may not be worth it for you. Try collecting stamps!

2. Always scope out where you are and what you're doing - understand local laws and customs. Its usually folks who dont understand local laws and customs who get caught. You're better off wasting a free night, than being caught.

3. Never, repeat, never allow yourself to be the one initiating any law-breaking activity. Ask her what she means - generally, unless you look like the old guys from Dragnet,- the women will clue you in. Simple rule, that most guys dont follow.

4. Followup on secureing your PC, or phone or whatever you're using to communicate. Loose lips sink ships, or hand up divorce papers.

5. Always, have a reason to be whereever you're going. Plausible deniability is key to survival.

6. Don't try to impress SOs, workmates etc with your 'street smarts' - they may think you're cool to know this stuff today, but if you're caught, they'll never believe you didnt know what you were doing.

Please throw in your tips, cause we all benefit from each others info.

PsyberZombie
03-30-04, 01:23
I originally saw this on the Jacksonville, Florida Board [ Can you believe that there's a Hole Town named after JACKSON ??!!??!! ]

I do not claim to be the author nor do I claim to have followed its wisdom, much to my chagrin.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

20 Rules for SW

1. IS SHE? - It ain't like in the movies - at least, not in Da Burgh! They wear ordinary clothes, and are just walking alone, with no bags, or maybe making a phone call at a pay phone (but if you checked, there's no one on the line). Believe it or not, a girl walking alone and without shopping bags on a hobbyist street is almost always a SW.

2. If you aren't sure, come back in a few minutes. Non-pros who happen to be walking are going somewhere, which isn't up and down the same stretch of road. And on hobbyist streets, the local women tend to avoid looking like they might be in business, unless they are!

3. If she is watching traffic, she's probably a SW.

4. If she makes eye contact with you, she's probably a SW.

5. If she then smiles at you, she is a SW. After all, you're just some dude driving by.

6. If she's with a "boyfriend", who disappears when you come around again, he's pimping her. Be careful! Don't unlock the door until she's ready to get in, with him nowhere to be seen! If you follow these rules, you're in control of the situation.

7. THE PICKUP - Pull over at the next parking lot, or around the next corner and park nearby. If you're sure she saw you - smile back at her, dummy! - then feel free to pull further down the block, so it's not so easily observed by LE. She'll casually turn down your block, walk past - and then suddenly walk up to see if you're letting her in. Keep eye contact, keep smiling - invite her in.

8. Lock the other doors! You're in a crime-filled neighborhood!

9. AVOIDING LE STINGS - Do not EVER EVER EVER discuss anything with a girl who isn't seated in your car, except to offer her a ride. THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING! IT'S LEGAL! Just being a nice guy... On every board I've seen, LE always tries to make the bust without the F LE risking her ass by getting in. READ THIS RULE AGAIN! IT'S IMPORTANT!

10. This is the perfect time for LE to pull you over for rolling through a stop sign, just to harass your ass. Drive like a preacher! It's an effective way of intimidating we hobbyists, and they'll use any opportunity if they're watching.

11. Make a turn or two before discussing $$, just in case. Watch your rear view - you can bet she will, too! I've never heard of LE getting in the car, with a follower, but better safe than sorry. A known LE trick - she doesn't get in, but directs you to meet her around the corner. Guess who's waiting there, instead of her? If she doesn't get in right away, move on!

12. AVOIDING SCAMS - If you do a car date, and you let her pick the spot (she'll try to direct you), be aware that she may be setting you up for a robbery. Don't settle for her spot - or at least, force her to come up with a second choice. Her boyfriend can't be in two places at once.

13. If you go back to a hotel, and she picked it, be aware that this could be a setup for cash&dash, or her pimp busting in & robbing you.

14. If you go back to her place - are you mad? The "boyfriend busting in mad, waving a gun" scam probably happens a lot - since the victims won't report the robbery, they get by with it, even though the victims know where the robbers are staying!

15. If you go back to your hotel, um, have fun! (OK, that's not a rule. If you go back to your hotel, be discreet so the mgmt doesn't call LE on you.)

16. If you go back to your house - are you really ok with a potentially-addicted SW knowing where you live?

17. WALLET - Do not leave your wallet within her reach. If you think you know a clever spot to hide it, remember that 100's of others have thought of it, too. While you're distracted, her free hand can be working...

18. MONEY - Do not have more in your pocket than you want to spend. She (and your dick) will talk it out of you. If she's really worth an extra few dollars, you can go get it (out of the trunk, the ATM, your other pocket, whatever). Current street rates are 20 for BJ, 40-50 for FS, and you can tip later if you think it's worth it. Remember, it isn't worth it just because you came. She'll always demand a tip, if she thinks it's coming. Many will claim they "usually charge more" - the word on this board is: they don't. But, hey, some of these girls are hard-working, quality-driven providers, even though they're SW (really - I mean it!), and they deserve a break.

19. HUNTING HOURS: They're out at all times, in most weather. I've heard of them walking as early as 4:30am, and well past midnight. They work the lunch hours for guys on lunch, afternoons for guys on early shifts, mornings for guys who'll be late for work, and all through the evening and night. If it's lightly raining, there will be less, but there will be some. Most of these girls are drug addicts; their addiction doesn't have a "M-F, excluding legal holidays" schedule.

20. CFS!!! Carry a condom. Usually, they don't have one (which I think is so fuc*ing stupid, but then, if they had a clue they wouldn't be SW-ing). You don't want to be tempted to skip the cover because that pussy is so fine.

And the freebie: Every time some SW claims "I'm the best! I'm worth more", it really means, "I'm a lame-ass lying lazy talentless junkie!" The good ones don't have to brag; they'll get your return business.

Benchseats Rock
03-30-04, 09:42
MSNBC just aired some reruns from 2001 involving the sex industry. It was a mulit-part series and dealt with porn and several major cities' vice squads as well. I only caught two of the reruns, one focusing on Hollywood Vice and the Other on New Orleans.

In New Orleans the cops can AND WILL get into the car.

In New Orleans the cops will get naked in order to convince you they are the real thing.

In New Orleans the cops will drink beer while on the job.

In New Orleans the cops have follower cars, in car cameras, audio monitors, and brake light tapping signals that you cannot see.

In New Orleans if you dance around the discussion without getting specific enough times they will arrest you anyway and use as evidence your discussions that continually "dance" around the topic and THAT is what demonstrates your intent to a judge.

In New Orleans, the vice squad as of 2001 has a 98% conviction rate.

I can only think that other jurisdictions will be adapting to the N.O.P.D. playbook, so KEEP ON YOUR TOES.
All the rules posted here do work, but kicking her out of the car as quick as you can say bacon ALWAYS works.

Besides, beating off is free, and so is the thrill of the hunt.

I will repost this in the New Orleans forum.

Stay Safe

KC Questor
03-30-04, 12:21
"20. CFS!!! Carry a condom. Usually, they don't have one (which I think is so fuc*ing stupid, but then, if they had a clue they wouldn't be SW-ing). You don't want to be tempted to skip the cover because that pussy is so fine."

They don't carry condoms because if they do get hassled by cops it is hard to explain why a girl would carry lots of condoms around with her. It is easier to explain a man with one for personal use than a SW carrying a professional supply.

Snake27
05-28-04, 05:46
One issue rarely, perhaps never considered in the WSG is the possibility of finding semi-pros in discos, bars, and strip clubs. These are girls who don't consider themselves professionals but might be convinced by the right "sugar daddy".

I might know about this or it might be a self-delusion. Doesn't matter! I offer it as a potentially useful method in the sexually repressed USA. When that cash-strapped chick you've sweet-talked comes to your hotel room, what are the U.S. Sex Police going to do ? How can they stop this moral transgression ? The poor morons cannot !!

I don't think specific bar info is as useful as the general idea. First, pick the right bar. A "working class" bar or disco is best.

A bar with college students or professionals is less productive; those girls have cash and tend to look for "Mr. Relationship". A strip club is ok too, though the girls tend to be haughty and expensive. I doubt this works if you are totally out of shape physically, though it is fine if you look your age. If a girl 20+ years younger than you comes up to you and asks you for a drink or a dance, it is a VERY GOOD SIGN she is game.

BTW, I was inspired by a comment I overheard in a bar once between a girl and her girlfriend, who said something like "I might have gone with him if he was willing to pay for it, but he wouldn't even buy me a drink". So, the first step is offer them a drink. Smile and be friendly. Don't worry about someone saying "no". If they do, move on. Even if you have good game for your age, many will say no. If one says "yes", be specific about what you want and obey my three rules: 1) good hygiene, 2) polite yet to-the-point, and 3) generous beyond market prices. I know I run contrary to the talk in the WSG about the "importance" of holding to market prices, but my advice is to go less frequently and pay more.

That's my advice. Take it or leave it. Or save your money for a trip outside of the repressed USA. But that takes the challenge out of it.

GettingTang
07-06-04, 12:28
As for condoms, cops consider a hooker carrying one as evidence. this is insane! So what do the hookers do? they almost never have them on hand. This is just WRONG~!

TANG~!

Daddy Lows
07-06-04, 19:11
GT,

Go with the flow. Ifin they don't have a condom, get a BBBJTCIM.

;-)

Peace

Star Lord
07-06-04, 23:24
I had a question. Does LE do stings over the Internet? I had PM someone who had a report saying they were available.

The response I got back mentioned money. That pushed my paranoid button. It seems like discussing prices and services before the gal gets in the car.

How does one protect ones self from a sting in cases such as this?

Rolly Polly
07-09-04, 13:58
I have no experience with an internet sting, but I would say they do have them. Talk money and service and then make the bust at the meeting place.

It's amazing how many mongers loose their heads when pussy is on the line and go for the sting. I feel so bad for the Johns I see getting hit on the street.

Back to internet stings, if you do an "outcall" at your place you are probably safer from stings. I've been weary of "incalls" in the past. I don't use escorts that much anymore, but when I did I made a few contacts in the business and could check things out before putting the call in for service.

Happy mongering.
Rolly

Yet Another Guy
08-08-04, 15:57
The answer about internet stings is YES.

A buddy of mine got caught up in one 2 years ago, in Quad Cities, on the Illinois side. The police arrested a woman who was using the net to get clients, and rolled over her email account and address book to the police. Incall setup was used.

They are also targeting members of RS2K in Chicago, primarily in the DuPage county area, but also downtown was hit in the last couple of months. It appears from the scuttlebutt that they're trying to go after the owner of that referral service - for what it isn't clear.

Spartan94
08-28-04, 08:16
Hi Guy's,

This might be a dumb question. Forgive me I'm a newbee. I get girls mainly at Tijuana at Adelitas. But how would I go about asking a working girl if she is working or to actually say: I'll pay for services? I've seen some walking the streets of San Diego, i.e. El Cajon Blvd., but am a bit affraid that she might be a LE. I read this section and kinda get the idea but I don't have a car so I'd like to ask the SW to come to my place; I'd hunt in my area of course. I've also seem some escorts or\and working girls on the net which I've responded by e-mail to but they never get back to me. I am not directly saying I'll pay cash for sex. What would be the best way to direct my proposition? The ads on the net do have a phone number to them but I'm CHICKEN-SHIT, hahaha, sorry to call the number. I do appologize for my dumbness. Thanks. I've posted on the TJ section on girls if it helps anyone; or pm me.

Have fun and play safe guys.

Spartan

Webcams
09-21-04, 06:41
Snake;
"doubt this works if you are totally out of shape physically"

I have found one thing to be true, the more money you have the less atractive you need to be!

Good Points, I* am sure it happens everyday, I always heard about the 'dance' clubs in downtown LA but never tried them.

Snake27
10-23-04, 05:56
Follow-up on my message below from May.

In America it's a big challenge, and very inefficient, but I like a challenge !! Of course I can understand a guy just giving up and taking a flight to the DR or some other exotic location, but consider the pleasures of hunting a semi-pro ! A young woman who doesn't consider herself a full-time prostitute. And there isn't much other choice in my town, as the police are all over the real pros.

I've become more skillful at this in recent years. I don't have the best game and probably look absurd compared to the guy in the Houston section who has posted fascinating stories about dating 10s from strip bars for free. His stories are true even if they are not; but, as I said, I am not that good. I need a little $$$ to take me over the top. Keeping in shape and following the rules I posted previously are useful, however.

The modus operandi I've discovered works basically as follows. You have 2 or 3 favorite bars, they should be "working class". Then, as a clean, polite guy, you ask the girl if she wants a drink. Most girls tell me no, and indeed most nights I strike out and go home, but eventually someone who is in the right category says yes. On occassion, the girl may ask you. Eventually, get a phone number. Lately, I NEVER talk about prices until I call her and arrange a rendezvous. Typical offer is $50 - 80, I don't negotiate. These are good prices compared to hardened outcall pros. And I don't want it free either, even if that would be on offer, as it complicates the affair.

If it seems right, we meet at a hotel, and somtimes even at her apartment. The affair dries up usually in one of 3 ways: Either I get bored after a few months (the usual way), or her cell phone stops working (I take this as a bad sign), or she tells me to stop. A couple times it happened that a girl said she had a "serious" boyfriend and couldn't see me anymore. Fine, I am not trying to compete with guys half my age !

It's the "Last Tango in Paris" experiences I seek. No names, no identity. Just brief and meaningless affairs. But it requires the patience and the deliberation of a spy.

Anything Cool
03-13-05, 07:33
I have always gone to providers who offer incall, however I found one who only does outcall. Is it a bad idea to bring her to my apartment (I'm single and live alone) or should I rent a motel room? Any advice will be appreciated.

Thank you.

Robux
03-13-05, 18:19
anything cool,

this comes under the same catagory as not paying with a credit card. don't leave a trail, or as little of one as you can.

you don't want to end up in a little black book that might get confirep001ed in a bust.

robux

Anything Cool
03-21-05, 04:04
Thank you Robux for the quick reply to my previous question. I have another question and I hope someone has the answer.

There is a massage place advertised in the local paper that I think may offer extras. Rather than go there and possibly be disappointed I thought I would call them to try and get some information.

Do I just ask them outright if they offer extras? What is the best way of getting this information over the phone?

Thanks for the help.

Ausse Salt
03-21-05, 08:06
G'day Mates,

Here's a quick take on some rules. Sit up and pay attention: If you see an adver tisment for an AMP (sports section or phone book) it's a good sign that they do extras. Go for a visit - worst thing, all ya gets is a good massage. Pat the mum on her arse when she leads ya to the shower. Put'er at ease, mate.

Never take a lovy home with ya, find a safe motel -that way she can't steal and don't 'ave your address. Ya can't be too careful. And when stopping to pick up a nipper whose streetwalkin- never discuss anything 'til she gets inside yur car! Too right! Can't tell ya how`many blokes make this mistake. The only thing ya ask out the winda is if she needs a ride. If she's workin LE, chances are she won't get in your car. And if she's a seasoned pro she'll know what ya mean by a ride. FInally, for those punters walkin on foot, you can walk over and talk to the`nipper, if got a smoke on ya, ask her for a light. She'll ask ya for a date right quick.

Salty

USTraveller
03-30-05, 08:19
My experience with massage places leads me to believe that you will never get information over the phone about extras. In fact, you'll probably never get that info from any escort or outcall service either. Most have disclaimers about non-sexual contact and the only way to find out for sure is to bite the bullet and try it out.

There are general rules that make it easier to find places though. Usually, if the place is Asian, you will at least be able to get a HJ. If the place is open late or 24 hours, then you just might get extras. And as Salty said, if they are advertising in the Sports section, or even a local city guide, there is a good chance for extras. Hey, I sound like the mongering Jeff Foxworthy.

Anything Cool, check out the Special Interest, Massage section of the forum and scroll back to around January 2004 for some more guidelines of increasing your chances of getting extras in a massage parlor.

-USTraveller

Cuba Tourist
06-01-05, 04:34
I like to scuba. I have been going to Cartegena, but the diving is just fair. Looking for a dive/ chica spot close to the USA. I know that Thailand is great, but it is too far. Thinking about the Bay Islands of Honduras, but the chicas are on the mainland. Any ideas/recommendations?

Frank Booth
06-30-05, 16:22
I like to scuba. I have been going to Cartegena, but the diving is just fair. Looking for a dive/ chica spot close to the USA. I know that Thailand is great, but it is too far. Thinking about the Bay Islands of Honduras, but the chicas are on the mainland. Any ideas/recommendations?

How about Pacific Costa Rica? Also, given your name, have you dived Cuba?

Pat Reno
09-19-05, 20:39
This site is great for looking up almost any City Map in the world will show Building, Roads and places od interest using Satalite Photo's.

http://earth.google.com

Sky Dumont
10-04-05, 00:48
Found a new Funny Site in the net, not the best but funny links, www.erotraveler.com.

Thanks Sky dumont

Scotty Monger
10-06-05, 03:09
I like to scuba. I have been going to Cartegena, but the diving is just fair. Looking for a dive/ chica spot close to the USA. I know that Thailand is great, but it is too far. Thinking about the Bay Islands of Honduras, but the chicas are on the mainland. Any ideas/recommendations?

Good diving in Curacao, was there in 2002. The chicas at Campo Alegre range from fugly to a few hotties, it's a roll of the dice. They rotate new ones in regularly. Mostly Colombianas, with usually a few from DR and Ven. It's "point & click" mongering, but that's just fine after a day of diving.

If you go to the best diving spots in CR, you will most likely need to take a girl from SJO with you, if you have time to spend a few days in SJO to find the right one.

Iv'e been to Roatan Honduras too, but no P4P there that I am aware of. You would have to hop a puddle-jumper to the mainland, etc... not worth it IMHO.

I'm currently looking at St. Maarten for my next dive/monger trip, but not sure the diving is up to snuff.

Yes, LOS is a long haul, but it was BY FAR the best location for a diving/mongering vacation. You should try it someday, if you get the chance.

Popper
10-06-05, 03:27
Hey Scotty (or anyone),

I am on my way to LOS next week to do some diving, scuba not necessarily muff, can you recommend the best dive/nightlife locations for a first timer to Thailand?

Many Thanks

ps. I have been pouring through the Thailand board, but they seem to only be interested in one thing (imagine that.)

Blood Red
10-27-05, 17:22
Hey all,

I have an odd problem and I would appreciate any advice/help on this matter.

I seem to suffer Erectile Dyfunction when I put on a condom. Usually, w/ out a condom, I can maintain an erection fairly decently, although not as well as I'd like. But when I put on a condom, I usually lose my erection.

My question is: Will Viagra help w/ this problem? Any advice or opinions?

How can I overcome my Condom PHOBIA? Do I suffer from erectile dysfunction?

Thanks a lot!

Regards,

Trent

Zing23
11-13-05, 23:44
I seem to suffer Erectile Dyfunction when I put on a condom. Usually, w/ out a condom, I can maintain an erection fairly decently, although not as well as I'd like. But when I put on a condom, I usually lose my erection.

My question is: Will Viagra help w/ this problem? Any advice or opinions?

How can I overcome my Condom PHOBIA? Do I suffer from erectile dysfunction?
Trent,

Viagra won't really help, except as a placebo. viagri helps your erection stay firm, when you are turned on. If you aren't turned on, no real impact.

The condom is threatening, especially if you haven't used on before. I had a
similar problem 15 years ago, between wifes, during a period when I had several girl friends and one insisted on a condom. I got over it in 3 ways:

Use the lambskin condoms for practice (they feel different) and just get used to the feel in private.

Bob

Lickme
02-28-06, 17:17
In Europe purely for 3 or 4 days of mongering?, I.E. where is the cheapest place i could go in europe and have an amazing non stop sex tour?.

I have been looking at the Poland forum which looks like a very cheap place to go has anyone got any advice for me please?.

DJ FourMoney
03-17-06, 09:22
Just from my research -

Prague.... FKK's make finding P4P alot easier than say Warsaw for sure and the Privats are about as hard to find as in Prague, but in case you get flustered with that, you can use FKK's, Outcall and the RLD if your really hard up.

It seem the key to any great monger trip is PLANNING and a bit of luck...



In Europe purely for 3 or 4 days of mongering?, I.E. where is the cheapest place i could go in europe and have an amazing non stop sex tour?.

I have been looking at the Poland forum which looks like a very cheap place to go has anyone got any advice for me please?.

Rtrdengr
04-11-06, 23:14
Trent,

Viagra won't really help, except as a placebo. viagri helps your erection stay firm, when you are turned on. If you aren't turned on, no real impact.

The condom is threatening, especially if you haven't used on before. I had a
similar problem 15 years ago, between wifes, during a period when I had several girl friends and one insisted on a condom. I got over it in 3 ways:

Use the lambskin condoms for practice (they feel different) and just get used to the feel in private.

BobI've had problems with condoms that too tight. Try a few different brands or especially diameters or flex.

Danielson
06-01-06, 18:37
Hi guys,

I want to go to Thailand again but my girlfriend is not going to let me, I'm allowed to go anywhere but there, as shes been and knows the scene.

So I am trying to find a way of ring her from thailand and being able to have a different country code come up so she thinks I'm somewhere else.

Having a different country sim does work but if she was to ring it a thai person starts to speak if I don't get to the phone in time or theres no reception.

Going through an operator in another country seems to be the only answer but where do I find one?

George90
06-02-06, 18:55
Hi guys,

I want to go to Thailand again but my girlfriend is not going to let me, I'm allowed to go anywhere but there, as shes been and knows the scene.


You don't deserve to go to Thailand! Just obey for girlfriend like a good little boy!


If you are a real man, then

1) if she doesn't trust you alone in Thailand, DUMP HER!
2) if she is refusing to provide sufficient high quality sex to you so that you are not interested in the action available in Thailand, DUMP HER!

Artisttyp
06-02-06, 20:08
I wanted to post the same thing but didnt want to be that bold in my response.
What I really wanted to say is take a walk around the corner come back and read your post again this should enlighten you to the fact that your in the wrong type of realationship...dont you think?

Artisttyp

Crypton
06-02-06, 21:26
Hey all,
I have an odd problem and I would appreciate any advice/help on this matter.
I seem to suffer Erectile Dyfunction when I put on a condom. Usually, w/ out a condom, I can maintain an erection fairly decently, although not as well as I'd like. But when I put on a condom, I usually lose my erection.
My question is: Will Viagra help w/ this problem? Any advice or opinions?
How can I overcome my Condom PHOBIA? Do I suffer from erectile dysfunction?
Thanks a lot!
Regards,
Trent
I ain't no doctor, but hey, it doesn't stop me! I think you already recognize this as a purely mental problem ("condom phobia"). So, it is not ED - which is more of a physical problem (although doctors probably prescribe viagara for both types of patients). But at the same time, there is no fool proof solution to this mental problem. I think many people, including myself, use Viagra to overcome performance anxiety. In other words, once you are aroused and get erect, viagara helps you maintain it regardless (to a large extent) of what your mind fears. So, to answer your question, I would try viagra and use a condom. I also find Viagra works a lot better when chewed than when swallowed whole. The lag time is shorter and the effect greater.

Cheers.

Organicgrowth
06-03-06, 10:20
Trent666,

I agree in part with Crypton about your problem. If you haven’t done so already I WOULD NOT SUGGEST USING VIAGRA FOR THIS PROBLEM. If your have been using Viagra to help you with this problem: stop and try the following for a while first.

My reasoning is simple: I agree that it is condom phobia of sorts and not a physical problem. You can very easily sort out the condom phobia yourself without any need for external help / embarrassments.

Make sure the condoms you use fit you. In this I’m serious, get a good quality, correct size condom: the physical “abuse” your penis gets during any form of sex can actually reduce the hardness of your erection. Get yourself aroused and gain an erection: put on the condom and masturbate in it. Get used to it. Even if you start to soften up, stay with this. You might also want to try having a little lube in the condom as well as on your hands. Just do permutations of these things and within a short while your phobia will ease off as you start to enjoy the experience.

The reason I suggest NOT using Viagra in this case is also simple: if you become reliant on Viagra (or similar phosphodiesterase inhibitors), when you actually do not need it, other than for social (non medical) use, then it will be very difficult to help you in the longer term if one day you really do need Viagra....

You can beat this: just try.

Regards, Havanaman

Rubber Nursey
06-06-06, 02:02
Excellent advice (as always!) Havanaman.

Trent666 - Your problem with condoms is most certainly not an 'odd' one - it's a VERY common one. As a working girl I experienced this problem a lot, particularly in older men who had enjoyed a lifetime of bareback sex with sex workers (pre-AIDS/safe sex era) and in men with little experience in condom use.

I would recommend doing exactly what Havanaman said:
- make sure you have the right sized condom (VERY important - not only for your own comfort, but for safety when you're actually having sex. Too small and it could split: too big and it could slide off). I would also recommend using an 'ultra-thin' condom. Durex Featherlite is my favourite in Australia. Find out what the thinnest brand is in your own country (check out the Safe Sex section of this forum for some suggestions).
- add a small amount of lube before putting the condom on (use as much as you like when you're by yourself, but when having sex, just squeeze a small amount into the 'teat' at the tip of the condom before rolling it on - if you coat your penis in lube and then use a condom, it will slide off during sex.
- MASTURBATE! Many men talk themselves into thinking that sex can't possibly feel good with a condom: prove yourself wrong. :)

As you've said yourself - this is all in your head. The best cure for any sort of performance anxiety, I've found, is to take the focus off the performance. Condom use can make this difficult, because rather than just getting hot and heavy with your girl and going for it when the mood takes you, you have to stop right in the middle of it and focus on your penis to put on the condom. That's why most working girls worth their salt can put a condom on with their mouth. With that taken care of during the initial head job, everything else can just flow on from there without any stopping and starting.

Next time you go to see a sex worker, tell her about your condom problem right from the start. (We REALLY appreciate knowing this sort of stuff beforehand, so we can plan the booking accordingly). If she is experienced, she should know how to approach the situation without drawing too much attention to putting on the condom. Same goes for 'regular' sex with a girlfriend or one-nighter. Talk to her. Communication is THE key to good sex.

Performance anxiety is a vicious cycle - you worry about your penis not working, so it doesn't. Next time you worry about the last time your penis didn't work, so it does it again! The only way to break it is to take the focus OFF your penis. Off intercourse completely, if possible. Focus on making HER feel good. Make your aim to make HER cum and put thoughts of your own orgasm right out of your head. Go into it with the attitude that you're just gonna have a rollicking good time with a beautiful woman and if you happen to cum, then so be it; but if you don't, it doesn't matter. Trust me - once the pressure is off, everything should work just fine and you won't end up missing out on a thing. Men's penises can behave a little like spoiled children at times and occasionally need to be treated as such. What's the best way to get a thirteen year old to mow the lawn? Tell him he's not allowed to. :)

Best of luck!

Organicgrowth
06-06-06, 09:26
RN,

Thank you for your kind words.

I really like your communication idea. Regretfully (as missed from my own post…) men tend not to communicate well, regardless of it's very real importance. For me a lesson learned thank you!

Regards, Havanaman

Ilike69
06-08-06, 16:03
Get a correct size condom and you use it regularly you will get used to it.

I guess erectile dysfunction in your case is more of mental problem. First time when i had (supposed to be) sex with GF, my little brother lost inetrest and became flat just after one small salute. I had to struggle and i could only shag with hands after lot of squeezing and twisting. (imagine pussy is there in front of you and you are shagging with great difficulty) After that forgettable incident I used to think i have a problem.

I did not masterbute for 2 weeks.. After 2 weeks little bro started playing most of the time during day n night. wild thaughts used to come rushing in during office hours..Even if i see decently dressed females little bro used to make lot of noice.. Next time i screewed one sw.man it was awesome experience..little bro was rock solid for 15-20 mins

Dont masterbate only screew you will enjoy very much

Kaplay
06-24-06, 13:55
hi

i am seeking some advice on a personal problem of mine. i am in my early thirties.
my problem is i tend to suffer from some form of premature ejaculation. i mean when i get down to sex with a woman, i get very passionate and hard. but then when it gets to the act of sex itself, that is penetration, my penis tends to get overly sensitive and pretty soon i cum.

for me slow and gentle sex is one way that i can hold a bit longer but as you all know, sex doing it at slow speed is nice for both parties but sometimes you just got to step it up a gear or two. i have left some woman disappointed in the past as i could feel that they were getting into the swing of things once i was in as they were swinging their hips around. but i had to tell them to stop as it was getting to sensitive for me.

i have tried reading various sorts of tips in magazines but still cannot get rid of my problem. i have tried the hold bit. they say like when you take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you try to control it by stopping halfway and then let it go again. this i have tried during masturbation and sex but still the sensitiveness wins over in the end.

i would welcome any advice or tips in this matter. i seem to think that there is no other way for me.

thanks,

kaplay

Routard
06-25-06, 11:53
I would welcome any advice or tips in this matter. I seem to think that there is no other way for me.


Don't believe this. I have good news for you, here is what you need to do: have sex as much as you can with the most gorgeous women. Isn't this gret news?

Please, don't believe that I try to make fun with it, this is a very serious advice. It's not only a matter of practizing like for most performances. Regarding sex, the emotional matter is more important than the pysical matter. You need at first to get back your self confidence. Never stay with a feeling of failure.

If you had sex with a girl and came too early, just recover for an hour or two in order to get back an erection, and have sex again with another girl. If you cumed again too early, do it again a third time, untill you have the sex of your life. At that point you probably would like to go on, but my advice is to stop, you could finish again with a failure (this time erectile problem).

With this therapy, you will soon realize that you don't need anymore to reach the third girl before having excellent sex, it could be the second girl. And after a while you wil realize that you can extend your time even with the first girl.

Problem is how to have sex with several gorgeous women in the same day. Here is where ISG can help you.

When I was younger, I cumed also too early each time I had sex for the first time with a girl (discovering her wonderfull body for the first time...). Now, I can easily have sex for one hour with any girl at any time of the day.

Rubber Nursey
06-25-06, 14:49
I seem to think that there is no other way for me.

Your last statement may explain a lot of your problem. That sort of negative thinking is a one-way ticket to performance anxiety. You will end up creating the same sort of vicious cycle described a few posts ago - the more you THINK you're gonna have a problem, the more likely it is that it will end up happening.

1) Read my last post to the guy having problems maintaining an erection. Yes, your problem is the complete opposite, but the best way of dealing with performance anxiety (of any kind) is to take all focus off the performance. In the other guy's case, it was taking the focus off maintaining his erection - in yours, it's taking the focus off orgasm. I'm willing to bet that the first thing that goes through your head when things start to feel good, is "Oh no, I'm gonna come too early". Then - whether you mean to or not - you start focusing all your energy and concentration on stopping yourself from reaching orgasm. Am I right? Which means ALL your attention is on your penis and the feelings building up inside you; your mind completely focused on every movement and every sensation - which, of course, has the complete opposite effect to what you were trying to do and makes you orgasm even faster. Like I suggested to the other guy, you need to take the focus off your perfomance. Try not to think about orgasm. Easier said than done, I know, but try to think of something really mundane - like Saturday's game or your last fishing trip or what you're gonna have for dinner tonight - until the feeling subsides a little.

2) If leaving the woman disappointed is a concern - then make sure you don't! Indulge in extensive foreplay and be sure to bring HER to orgasm before you have intercourse. Slide into her immediately after she has an earth-shattering climax and I'm sure she won't care if you go for two seconds or two hours!

3) Like I said to the other guy - communication is THE key to great sex. Talk to the woman you are about to have sex with. Let her know your fears. If she's a sex worker, make sure you can come more than once in the booking, so if you go off in the first five minutes, you know you can always start again. (I've said it before and I'll say it again - hookers REALLY appreciate knowing these things beforehand, so we can work with you to make your booking more enjoyable). Same goes for a 'normal' woman. Talk to her. It doesn't have to be a deep and meaningful conversation - maybe tell her that she got you really horny and you couldn't help yourself, or joke that "Now we've got that out of the way, let me make love to you long and slow". The more understanding you get from your partner - and the more comfortable YOU get with laughing it off and not getting upset about it - the easier it will become.

4) Try using extra thick condoms. We have 'Four Seasons Extra Strong' here (made with anal sex in mind). They can dull sensation quite a bit, which may help.

5) Masturbation (read: practice/self training) may help. When masturbating, practice letting your mind wander away from the task 'at hand' (excuse the crappy pun) and see how long you can put off orgasm.

Best of luck, baby. Hope some of this helps! :)

Kaplay
06-26-06, 20:54
Rubber Nursey & Routard

Thank you both for your advice. I think that it is both equally good and the both of you is at least looking at things in 2 different persepctives.

Routard,

I have tried having sex often with a bit more partners, but I had never thought about doing it that way as you have said it. I had always thought that practice makes perfect and thought that maybe more sex will decrease the likelihood of cuming early.

In that sense I think that Rubber Nursey, this where you have a point because at the back of my mind I had always thought about my problem. So you can see even if I was having more sex, the thought of the problem was there.

I have read somewhere about the focusing your thoughts elsewhere before somewhere and once I tried it, but failed. I guess I couldn't get something to focus on. But I will give it a try again.

Nursey, I don't know if maybe I am too passionate. I mean, like when having foreplay. Obviously, one gets all hot and horny and you sort of don't want to kill the mood of taking a break from making the progress from foreplay to penetration. I kind of think that the blood is rushing around too much in the body!! I also don't know if again the passionate things comes in because I always like doing it in the missionary position where I like to hold the girl and kissing at the same time. Its kind of like more gf kind of sex. So the passion is even greater there and one could get hornier that way. That's my view of it.

I've lately been trying to get more extensive foreplay done as you have mentioned. I'm enjoy giving oral to the girl nowadays but I don't know how well I am doing it in terms of getting the girl to reach an orgasm. Of course, with the sex workers that I have visited, it has been mostly with escorts, as I tend to think that they have less business as someone that would in a brothel or parlour. I mostly visit asian cities in singapore and hong kong. So oral sex there I tend to be selective about it.

There was one phillipina escort girl in singapore and she told me that I made her cum and that when we did have penetrative sex, she went on top and then she did really slow. I think that is my one and only experience with someone having an orgasm with me through oral sex. Though I did not feel any hot juice coming from her pussy. Is it that not all girls can come like that?

Again, I thank you both for your kind advice. I shall post something once I see some improvement.

Kaplay

Alexander Great
06-26-06, 23:22
Rubber,

Thanks for the lenghty reply. I have the same problem as Kaplay so I appreciate your advices. They all make a lot of sense.

I wish I can hear more stories how have people solved this problem but I don't think too many visit this thread. Anyway, here are few more things I am doing besides the ones you mentioned.

1. No porn.

2. Kegel exercises. I've started doing these about a month ago and I already feel that those muscles are stronger. Genetically I am very skinny and while I have worked on the whole body to significantly develop it, I believe that's one area that has left undeveloped and weak. Again, I really wish I can hear from people who have been doing these and can vouch that Kegel exercises has helped them.

Any comments on these, especially #2?

Rubber Nursey
06-28-06, 04:09
Thanks guys - you're most welcome. :)

A really large proportion of my clients over the years struggled with premature ejaculation. (I also had a long-term boyfriend with the same issue). For some it only happens in certain situations and for others it happens every time they have sex. But either way it's a VERY common problem, so remember, you're not strange or dysfunctional and certainly not alone. More importantly, IT'S NO BIG DRAMA. Seriously, if you happen to cum a bit too quickly, is it really such a big deal in the grand scheme of things? It may seem like a tragedy in your own head at the time - and that's what causes the vicious cycle of performance anxiety - but really, what does it matter? YOU had fun, didn't you? And if you are a giving and attentive lover, you will have brought your partner to orgasm (or at least made her feel pretty darn good!) so SHE had fun as well, right? Sex is not a test that you either pass or fail. Sex is supposed to be FUN!!! That's what you need to remind yourself, every time you do it. Don't let your 'problem' become so huge in your own mind, that it becomes a bigger issue than the sex itself.

Ok, a question for both of you. Once you cum, can you get another erection shortly after? And if so, do you last longer the second time around, or do you reach orgasm just as quickly as the first time?

A few of my regulars with premature ejaculation would masturbate just before the booking. That way they could last longer with me, because it was effectively their second round. With others, I would start the booking by bringing them quickly to orgasm with French and then having intercourse (with their second erection) at the very end of the booking. HOWEVER, this advice does come with a warning. DON'T do this if you have trouble obtaining a second erection or if you have trouble reaching orgasm again so close after your first one. You don't want to end up pounding her for half an hour without cumming and leaving frustrated or, even worse, not be able to get it up at all. (Especially if you paid hard-earned money for the privilege!) You know your own body and what it is and isn't capable of.

Alexander - I can't vouch for the Kegel exercises for men, because (obviously) I'm not a man. But it surely can't do any harm! With most sexual dysfunctions being largely psychological, I would think that it probably doesn't matter whether it actually works or not - if YOU believe that it works, it probably will!

Kaplay - I'll answer your questions re: foreplay and oral sex in a separate post, shortly. :)

Alexander Great
06-29-06, 22:32
Thanks RN,

You have a great attitude.

All the best.

Kaplay
06-30-06, 20:54
Nursey,

Response to your question, normally I don't have problem with a second erection. I have had mixed results with the second round of sex. Sometimes it has ended up the same and others it went on for a litte longer. The thing that I find, is that on the second erection, I don't feel it as hard as it is on the first one. It seems like on the first erection, there is more blood pumped and my penis feels thicker. On the second one, not so.

I think that you are right in that we should see the sex as something fun and not worry about the problems. But then we are men, something wrong down there we tend to feel less like a man.

Thanks.

Artisttyp
07-07-06, 17:13
Usually I book hotels in advance from the states or I just show up but has anyone reserved a room via credit card at an internet cafe.Is this safe? I hear sometimes hotels accomadate you knowing your on a public computer and let you reserve without credit card info.Does anyone have experience with this? Sometimes you get better leads to hotels once you are already in place.Thanks

Lazzaro
08-01-06, 13:24
....Next time you go to see a sex worker, tell her about your [...] problem right from the start. (We REALLY appreciate knowing this sort of stuff beforehand, so we can plan the booking accordingly). If she is experienced, she should know how to approach the situation..... Same goes for 'regular' sex with a girlfriend or one-nighter. Talk to her. Communication is THE key to good sex......
RN,

I'n not a Rookie (I'm 46), but in the last times, it happens that when I'm very horny, especially when I'm going back home late in the night and I see lot of girls "during" their job in car close to my house.
But even if I'm horny (and looking at them in action I come more horned) If I pick up a girl (in car) for a sort of quickie, after an initial good erection, during the act I lose it and I don't come. But once the girl went out, after a little I pick up another girl and I get a climax ONLY with an HJ.

Same situation if I have an intercourse being standing...

I told my problem to these girls, but instead try to make me confortable, they begun to laugh andall answered "your problems, not mine" and went out leaving me naked in the car.....

You see, it is really difficult told them about your problem when you received lots of answer like that.....

I don't think to have some sexual problem, maybe it is a mind problem (in Italy, you can have wherever you want but none could see you during the act, otherwise they aer "obscene acts in a public place". Take in mind that it doesn't matter if you're IN your house with the windows open: if someone in a public place could see you, you could be liable to prosecution), but it is very difficult for me explain about my problems at this point.

Any suggestion?

Ciao
L

P.S.: will you forgive me for my bad english. I hope you understand the meaning. As you easily understand, I'm Italian and not English mother tongue

Rubber Nursey
08-01-06, 14:16
Lazzaro,

Please don't apologise to me for your English. I can assure you that it's much better than my Italian! I can only speak one language and you can speak two - that's something to be proud of! :)

I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with the girls you talked to. I guess I'm the one who should apologise, because when I'm talking about MY experiences, I tend to write from a brothel/private worker point of view. I really don't want to say anything bad about street-based sex workers, but they do often have very different motivations for working than brothel or private workers. A lot of them have drug problems, violence, poverty and homelessness issues that other workers don't have to deal with (not ALL of them, but a large majority). A brothel or private worker (not all of THEM, either, mind you) is more likely to treat their job as a business. They cater to your every need so that you'll come back as a regular client and help build up that business. Street girls often aren't quite so service orientated and just want you to give them your money and go away, because their need for immediate cash is more important than return business.

Your problem could very well be related to the fact that you're having sex in public. Or maybe that you're afraid of getting busted? Maybe in your mind you're trying to finish quickly and instead, turning yourself off? Maybe after a few minutes you're starting to worry that it's taking too long and that you might get caught? Or maybe there's nothing wrong with you at all and you just prefer HJs???

I guess I would give you the same advice as the other guys - try not to focus on your problem too much. Concentrate on how good it feels, rather than wondering whether you're going to lose your erection. And if you have to get a second girl to give you a HJ to finish the job...who cares? It's not such a big deal, so don't let it become one in your mind. That's what causes these problems in the first place.

Best of luck, baby. :)

Piper1
08-01-06, 14:24
hi rn - i've only read a a handful of your posts so far (will read more when i get time), but they are a good read, with interesting info from a woman's point of view, and more specifically from an (ex?) hooker's point of view.

you should start your own "advice column" thread, called "dear rubber nursey ...".

just kidding (but then again, why not?)

also, as a businesswoman, why not advertise your services as a sex therapist and get paid for it.

um, do you have a website? ;)

Rubber Nursey
08-02-06, 15:36
Awww shucks, Piper. Thanks! Let me return the compliment. I've read a lot of your posts, too, and you've always come across as a really nice guy...articulate, friendly and respectful. Are you an Aussie by any chance? ;)

It's funny you should mention having my own site. I've actually been considering it for quite a while. I spend so much time doing this sort of stuff on this site (mostly in PMs) that I've often wondered whether it would be better to start my own, rather than cluttering up Jackson's. Pretty expensive exercise though. And could I really CHARGE people to listen to my inane drivel? Not so sure about that!

Anyway, this is the Rookie Advice section and the erection conversation was already sailing pretty close to being off-topic ...but thank you so much for the compliment. It's very much appreciated. x

Newbie LA
08-16-06, 21:11
Hey all,

I have an odd problem and I would appreciate any advice/help on this matter.

I seem to suffer Erectile Dyfunction when I put on a condom. Usually, w/ out a condom, I can maintain an erection fairly decently, although not as well as I'd like. But when I put on a condom, I usually lose my erection.

My question is: Will Viagra help w/ this problem? Any advice or opinions?

How can I overcome my Condom PHOBIA? Do I suffer from erectile dysfunction?

Thanks a lot!

Regards,

TrentI'm new to mongering and condom usage and I also find it difficult to stay hard. However, my problems involve more than just condoms and include:

1. Secreased sensation from condom
2. Pros vaginas are very loose
3. Those narrow massage tables are very uncomfortable
4. Not enough foreplay/gfe (I'm more like a woman in terms of needing some affection to get turned on)

So I've been settling for HJ instead of FS (its frustrating to pay for FS yet only get a HJ). Needless to say my ego has taken quite a beating and now I'm getting performance anxiety.

Lustforthrust
10-09-06, 18:42
Didn't think it was possible but after 2 weeks of twice daily ejaculations, it took me a good deal of time to cum and it was a mere drop.

I read somewhere that it's a combination of too much sex and not enough rest. I eat well and exercise regularly, so I'm covered there.

Any views on this?

Qwerty79
11-17-06, 04:12
Hello global punters,

I'm from Melbourne, Australia and have been mongering for over 2 years. My experiences have varied from terrible to excellent and I am frankly getting a little tired of being unable to predict whether or not I will have a good time. Yesterday, for the first time in over 2 dozen visits, I decided to stay with the same girl twice. I'm thinking of making her my regular.

I would like to hear what you have to say about regulars versus random punting.

Cheers,

Qwerty

Qwerty79
11-17-06, 04:14
Hello again mongers,

Another matter on which I would like to hear your views on is whether it is OK to continue mongering when you are in a stable relationship or marriage.

Bye,

Qwerty

The Greek
11-20-06, 18:06
Excellent advice (as always!) Havanaman.

....- add a small amount of lube before putting the condom on (use as much as you like when you're by yourself, but when having sex, just squeeze a small amount into the 'teat' at the tip of the condom before rolling it on - if you coat your penis in lube and then use a condom, it will slide off during sex.With all respect I strongly disagree with you (from my own experience and a matter of physics), If you lubricat ethe condom from inside, th eonly thin gyou gain is to minimize the friction 'experience' in your pennis ie it might take longer to come or loose your erection since there is no 'stimulus'.

I think either a larger and thinner condom or the right partner will resolve the issue of a tight condom. satistically, most hookers don't know how to properly roll down a condom on a man's pennis.

that's all :^)

Rubber Nursey
11-22-06, 05:15
I know heaps of hookers who do the lube in the condom thing and clients are generally pretty happy with it. It's not about a condom being too tight - obviously that's only fixed by using the right sized condom. The lube in the teat has more of a psychological effect (according to clients). It makes the head of the penis feel 'wet'; the feeling you would expect to have when you're sliding inside a woman.

The post you referred to was actually encouraging a man to masturbate with condoms to get used to using them. I added the suggestion to lather himself in lube before putting on the condom, to make it a slightly different experience to the not-so-good condom experiences he'd had (and added the qualifier about not using so much lube when actually having sex, in case he decided he liked the feeling). It was just one of many options given to him.

What works for one guy, does nothing for another. Every client is different. Obviously, as a penis owner, you know what you like better than I do. Half the fun is in the experimentation :)

Rubber Nursey
11-22-06, 05:32
Qwerty,

From a sex worker perspective, if you prefer a GFE kind of booking, having a regular girl is definitely the way to go. When we see a stranger, regardless of how 'nice' the guy seems, we are always on guard for things like violence, taking the condom off, uninvited attempts at anal sex, etc. That's not to say that we're necessarily gonna be aloof or stand-offish with a new guy... just that somewhere in the back of our minds we have to remain alert, so we might not be able to completely relax and get into it. You're more likely to get a 'professional sex service' with very clearly defined boundaries.

With a regular client, you know exactly what he wants and how he wants it, you trust that he's not gonna do anything you haven't agreed on and you know that he's not dangerous. I had many relationships with regular clients that were much more like friendships. When you're with someone like that, it's much easier to get carried away and lose yourself in the sex. Boundaries relax a little and the line between client and 'sex partner' can become pretty blurred.

Sasha Coffee
11-22-06, 10:12
Qwerty

Listen to Rubber Nursery, from a second working girl.

She is right if you want the GFE thing, establish some trust and get to know a girl a bit.

You'll be surprised how accomodating they can be.

Rubber Nursey
11-24-06, 02:41
Another matter on which I would like to hear your views on is whether it is OK to continue mongering when you are in a stable relationship or marriage.

Obviously there's plenty of men on this site who are married and still paying for sex with other women, all for very different reasons. But really, nobody can tell you whether its 'ok' FOR YOU. Like all the other guys on this forum, YOU are the one that's gonna have to live with the consequences (if any) of your actions.

When it comes down to whether it's 'ok' FOR YOU, I think there's two questions worth asking yourself...

a) Would my WIFE think it's ok for me to continue mongering when I'm married? If she doesn't, you'll be doing a whole lot of sneaking around and your actions could result in emotional devastation, perhaps even divorce, when you get caught, and

b) Do I think it's ok for my WIFE to pay OTHER MEN for sex????? If you expect monogamy from her, but you continue to indulge in P4P yourself, then you're a hypocrite.

That said, the decision is yours alone. Your marriage, your business.

Giggity
11-25-06, 05:48
Qwerty,

From a sex worker perspective, if you prefer a GFE kind of booking, having a regular girl is definitely the way to go. When we see a stranger, regardless of how 'nice' the guy seems, we are always on guard for things like violence, taking the condom off, uninvited attempts at anal sex, etc. That's not to say that we're necessarily gonna be aloof or stand-offish with a new guy... just that somewhere in the back of our minds we have to remain alert, so we might not be able to completely relax and get into it. You're more likely to get a 'professional sex service' with very clearly defined boundaries.

With a regular client, you know exactly what he wants and how he wants it, you trust that he's not gonna do anything you haven't agreed on and you know that he's not dangerous. I had many relationships with regular clients that were much more like friendships. When you're with someone like that, it's much easier to get carried away and lose yourself in the sex. Boundaries relax a little and the line between client and 'sex partner' can become pretty blurred.Good to know, RN. It's important for people to know that even hooking up with a non-working girl often doesn't result in GFE the first time...

In your experience, about how many encounters does a well-mannered, considerate client have to book before one is considered a "regular", and you're more willing to lower your guard?

Rubber Nursey
12-01-06, 08:36
Sorry, Giggity. I missed your post. :)

I wouldn't say (for me, personally) that there's an actual number of visits involved. It's more about trust and honesty and simple chemistry. Some people you hit it off with, the same as you do in real life - you just 'click'. Some people just give off really good 'vibes' and are easy to trust right from the start. Likewise, some people give off really bad vibes and no number of visits are ever gonna make you feel relaxed and safe with them.

Honesty is something that generally has to be proven over time (also as in real life) with little things like turning up when they say they're going to, calling to apologise if they're not going to make the appointment and, something I tend to really pay attention to, sticking to the same story. Obviously we don't always share our whole life stories in P4P scenarios - but in a 'regular' situation, we do tend to eventually share at least a small part of ourselves. A guy who tells me one week that he's single and childless, then the next week tells me his wife is ill and his son needs new shoes (generally to try and knock the price of my service down!) is certainly not going to gain my trust in a hurry.

Trust, for me, is mostly instinctual, but also guided by client behaviour. For example, I never provided an anal sex service and I made that very clear from the start, however, some regular clients would repeatedly attempt to 'accidentally' slide it into the wrong place or continually finger me in that general area, in the hope that I would eventually change my mind. There is no possible way I could ever relax and lose myself in the sex with a client like that, no matter how many times I had seen him before - I would always have to remain alert. Same goes for clients (rare, but still a concern) who try to take the condom off during sex.

The deciding factors for great sex with a worker, are similar to those with a 'regular' woman - if you 'click' (both sexually and emotionally/psychologically), you have trust and honesty and you treat each other with respect, you are likely to have a good time. If you want different things in bed, if one of you is 'faking it', if your personalities just don't gel, etc, then sex is likely to not be so good, whether you're paying for it or not.

My advice - if you're looking for a real GFE, don't choose a girl because of her looks or her age or her prices. Shop around, enjoying the variety of working girls out there, until one day you have mind-blowing sex with one that you feel a strong emotional, physical and/or sexual connection with. When you find that woman - stick with her. :)

Alex Rock
12-05-06, 11:39
Giggity & qwerty, don't know how I clicked into this thread. Here are some comments from a monger's experience.

I learned a lot about mongering first hand only after I found out my gf was a wg. I also learned about my own responses in different circumstances too. I was messed up in my head and set out on a kind of frenzy to get to know working girls in all kinds of circumstances. After a variety of experiences, I believe if you get a good provider/client relationship, just like with a hairdresser or tailor, everybody wins.

Different girls have very different styles and they can act different if they're tired or fresh, stressed or relaxed and whether they know you or not. When I took girls home, most would be a little nervous at first - you can understand why - but after some time getting to know each other, chatting and becoming friendly and developing some trust, I found the quality of sex with most girls improved immensely, especially after they'd wake up next day and often after breakfast (or lunch). Some girls get into it and others just aren't interested and don't make you feel good or don't seem to enjoy it themselves. I prefer not to give those girls repeat business.

Because my preference is for slower more prolonged sex, I choose the girls that like "that style". Over time, some working girls have become friends and might stay over for a few days, some want sex that is more "bfe" from their perspective, rather than oriented to making the client happy i.e. more gentle and caring and they like to be held all night. Other girls like fast and hard sex and after it's over don't want to be touched while they sleep.

I find I have trouble getting or keeping a hard on with girls that want to rush or who want fast hard sex or girls who they think that all they have to do is open their legs and let you "do it". I can lose my erection too when the condom goes on. At first I thought I had ED or some kind of performance anxiety. Now I think those girls weren't touching my "buttons", I was a little nervous and felt rushed. I respond much better to girls who take their time and touch me or stroke me gently and make you relax. When you feel relaxed it's easier to get a nice hard on and keep it.

Some girls learn what you like and seem to enjoy making you feel good. Girls who know what they are doing will help you relax and make sure you get good erections. They get the most repeat business and everybody wins because the girls will be more relaxed with you and you will with them.

Some guys on these sites like to negotiate prices right down and won't pay till the girl wants to go- that's their way. I offer to pay up front, I find that paying a little more, being polite and respectful, smiling and giving a little tip or a gift will make girls much more relaxed and happier. Some give little gifts back and some even come and cook at my place from time to time. Seems like common sense!?

Giggity
12-08-06, 01:37
Thanks, both of you, for your perspectives on the matter. I must say I had forgotten about having made that last post, so it was a nice surprise when I clicked back into this thread and saw two answers to it!

That being said, I really asked my question in the worst possible way... as if there was some kind of magic number of minutes before a client went from "shifty" to "trusted"! So, thanks for elaborating on the subject. It helps everyone to remember that yes, even working girls are real people with real feelings, and different customer behaviors will bring about different provider behaviors, creating a totally different experience altogether.

Just like when I used to work in retail... I used to go out of my way to help nice customers to a ridiculous extent.. even to the point where my managers would criticize me for spending too much time helping people, whereas I gave the meanies just barely good enough service to keep me out of trouble. Perhaps that's why I don't work in retail anymore :) .

The Greek
01-12-07, 08:50
I agree with Alex. My own experience: in my late teens /early twenties, I will screw any woman with a single priority: to cum asap and as many times as possible. Then I start getting bothered when the session with the professional or the girlfriend was not interactive: the 'usual' behavior where a woman spreads her legs open and things that's the only thing she needs to do. I and my late twenties, I would be so turned off by such women but I will not even have an erection to. Loose!

In my 30s, I lost completely my patience for women (again girlfriends or professionals) who will not do this or that. Even the few times I ended up continuing the sex act to full orgasm, it was a miserable one. I couldn't understand why I had to 'beg; for a blow job or why a girlfriend will never come on top etc. I also found it very irritating when a pro will not take of her bra.

In my 40s now, I am having hard time to turned on by anyone who does not have a pleasant personality and/or a smile on her face.

Again, that's my personal experience. Again, I think more of it is psychological, feeling that the person next to you.pro or not- really cares about you even for 5 minutes, than having to battle an orgasm out of a situation.

Sasha Coffee
01-13-07, 19:17
I don't think there is any magic number of times you need to visit a WG to get GFE. Its a personal thing between two people and it will happen when you are both comfortable.

I would you suggest you pick a WG who is maybe in her late 20s has worked for a while. I say this because they are generally aware that most guys want a certain amount of GFE they are also experienced enough to take their time and understand what you are trying to achieve. It could take you a while to find the right WG but it will be fun finding her.

Sometimes I find I can never provide a GFE to a client no matter how often he visits me, as much as I try I can feel in myself that I'm faking it. Other clients I am able to provide this straight away or maybe on their 2nd or 3rd visit. Its about the chemistry between us in the first place, sometimes you can achieve that with fimiliarity and sometimes not.

Be patient.

Double Nickle
01-14-07, 16:44
Didn't think it was possible but after 2 weeks of twice daily ejaculations, it took me a good deal of time to cum and it was a mere drop.

I read somewhere that it's a combination of too much sex and not enough rest. I eat well and exercise regularly, so I'm covered there.

Any views on this?I participated in a research project at a Urology medical practice. I had to regularly come in and provide a fresh semen sample. I was told, if I remember correctly, that after the 3rd day or so the semen start to die off. But after spilling all your seed it took about 2 days to build up a full supply. I presume the seminal fluid waxes and wanes with the semen. Anyway, a 2 to 3 day wait should maximise the volume and motility of semen. I'm not sure the latter is of any advantage unless you're looking to impregnate somebody.

I've read of a supplement that is supposed to increase sperm volume. I'll keep an eye out for it.

Double Nickle

Van Velen
01-15-07, 20:40
Gentlemen,

A question that I have been pondering, in light of my plans to visit a good
mongering country this summer, is how to approach a girl. What to say to her to let her know what my intention is. I don't think I would feel comfortable just stepping up to her, tap her on the shoulder, and make my proposition, though. I will at least try to have a "normal" conversation with her first, which shouldn't be so difficult since we will propably be somewhat of the same age. But then the tricky part. When and how do I let her know that I'm not "just" a tourist but someone who wouldn't mind taking a 'tour' in her pants, in exchange for a appropriate fee of course. Since at the moment I am still unsure I thought it wise to ask the more experienced here what they have used in situations in which it actually worked. And of course what didn't work. Please keep in mind that there will be some kind of language barrier. My English is damn near flawless (ahum!) depsite not being a native speaker but I'm afraid I can't expect the same of them. As always, any input will be appreciated.

El Austriaco
01-16-07, 05:19
Gentlemen,

A question that I have been pondering, in light of my plans to visit a good
mongering country this summer, is how to approach a girl. What to say to her to let her know what my intention is. I don't think I would feel comfortable just stepping up to her, tap her on the shoulder, and make my proposition, though. I will at least try to have a "normal" conversation with her first, which shouldn't be so difficult since we will propably be somewhat of the same age. But then the tricky part. When and how do I let her know that I'm not "just" a tourist but someone who wouldn't mind taking a 'tour' in her pants, in exchange for a appropriate fee of course. Since at the moment I am still unsure I thought it wise to ask the more experienced here what they have used in situations in which it actually worked. And of course what didn't work. Please keep in mind that there will be some kind of language barrier. My English is damn near flawless (ahum!) depsite not being a native speaker but I'm afraid I can't expect the same of them. As always, any input will be appreciated.
Short of some more specific information, it is sort of hard to give you specific advice, but I will try anyhow.

1) When you say "mongering", let me first make sure we are talking about the same thing, right? P4P... pay for play, sex for money. In other words, prostitution. Well, if so, don't worry: since we are talking about a business transaction, the girl will know what you want. Everything I am going to say pertains to girls offering sex for money (pros), NOT to regular girls (non-pros). I'll address regular girls separately.

2) You don't mention which country you are thinking about visiting. Personally, I can only talk about the countries I have mongered in, which include some of the most notorious destinations (Cuba, Dominican Republic, Brazil, Colombia, Thailand, Mexico, El Salvador, Venezuela, among others), and for example, I have never been to the Philippines (PI), which also seems to be a very popular mongering destination. Wherever you go, I'd say stick to the places you read about here on ISG as hangouts for hookers, and you can be sure that no one in those places will be offended if you drop the money question. No reason to be shy about it. Just be polite, gracious and with a sense of humor about it, if necessary, and you will be fine.

I remember one time in Puerto la Cruz, Venezuela, in 2001, I had an hour-long conversation with a very nice girl I wasn't really sure about whether she was hooking or not. Finally, a friend of hers came up to me and said, "Well, unless you have something else planned today, there is an option". I said, "OK, what's that?" She said "A night of pleasure". I said, "You know, sounds fine, I like the concept of pleasure, but something tells me you are not talking about it in the biblical sense of the word. The thing is, here in Venezuela, pleasure works more like an amusement park, so the question really is... how much is the admission fee?" And we took it from there...

If nothing else, you could always say that you really like her and want to "spend time with her in private, to get to know her better". Ask her if she knows a good place to go. If she really is a hooker, she will have no problem suggesting a nearby (love) motel. If that's what she suggests, you know what is up, and can offer her a "present". Ask her to suggest the size of the "cash present". And you will know what you want to know.

3) Especially since you obviously speak good English despite not being a native speaker, I assume you will strike up conversations with the girls in English (I might be wrong, but you don't mention anything about foreign languages, or where you wanna go...). Don't worry: the working girls you will meet in most foreign countries and who are able to communicate in English are most certainly experienced veterans at the game and not offended by anyone inquiring about the details of the deal. I think it would be more of a problem if a girl didn't speak English (like most girls) and who you accidentally take for a hooker while she is not. Believe me, you go to a place where hookers hang out waiting for tourists AND the girl speaks English, she is hooker who has been in the game for a while, period. Veranda Help in Rio de Janeiro or La Dolce Vita in Cartagena, Colombia would be a good examples for this.

4) If for whatever reason, you are talking about "regular girls", i.e. no hookers, trying to offer them money, hm, this is a way more sensitive proposal, and I would greatly discourage you from that unless you know the local language and the culture very well. Depending on where you are, the worst-case scenario could be that you might seriously offend a girl and be in lots of trouble (like getting beaten up by her BF, family, or friends, or worse). If you are really unsure whether a girl is hooking or not, please err on the side of caution and DON'T offer anything; let her make the move. This especially applies to places that are not only frequented by hookers and their customers, but mostly be regular people, with a few (off-duty or not) hookers thrown into the mix, too. In this case, I think it is more prudent to wait for the girl to take the first step. Off the top of my head, Paco's in the pedestrian Zone in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, comes to mind. Again, reading ISG here will give you an inklining as to what kind of place a joint is. I am addressing this here since you wrote something to the effect of "and it actually worked", which makes me think that maybe, just maybe, you might not only be talking about hookers (my logic being "Why would he be worried that a hooker would turn him down? Perhaps he IS talking about regular girls").

5) General advice: make eye contact, smile, invite her over to your table, offer her a drink, start making small talk, and take it from there. Ultimately, how quickly you want to nail down the details of the transaction and/or how much time you want to spend with the girl outside of the bedroom before is really up to you. Some guys are of the "wham-bam, thank-you-Mam" variety, others like to party with the girls, others like to indulge into their fantasy of almost like having a GF (the so-called "girlfriend experience") and take them out to dinner, spend days on the beach with them, whatever not. Some like to spend their entire vacation with a single girl. It all depends on your style.

6) On a final note, please make sure to negotiate ALL details of your deal with a girl before hand: how much, which currency, how long (e.g. 1 hour, 2 hours, all night long?), how many pops (e.g. one, two, unlimited?), what is included (DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and so on and so forth). This will save you LOTS of trouble later. Whenever a girl tells you, "Just give me whatever you think is fair", don't do it. I am only speaking about the countries I have been to, of course. In some Asian countries, things might be different, I think. You might want to listen to the Asia experts on that (I do not consider myself to be one of them).

7) Don't take the first offer they make. You gotta negotiate, man. Doing your research here and collecting the latest intel in the field will give you a good idea of what to pay.

8) And, most importantly, NEVER pay upfront. NEVER.

Well, that's all I can think of right now. Hope this helps.

EA

George90
01-20-07, 22:35
Gentlemen,

A question that I have been pondering, in light of my plans to visit a good
mongering country this summer, is how to approach a girl. What to say to her to let her know what my intention is. I don't think I would feel comfortable just stepping up to her, tap her on the shoulder, and make my proposition, though. I will at least try to have a "normal" conversation with her first, which shouldn't be so difficult since we will propably be somewhat of the same age. But then the tricky part. When and how do I let her know that I'm not "just" a tourist but someone who wouldn't mind taking a 'tour' in her pants, in exchange for a appropriate fee of course. Since at the moment I am still unsure I thought it wise to ask the more experienced here what they have used in situations in which it actually worked. And of course what didn't work. Please keep in mind that there will be some kind of language barrier. My English is damn near flawless (ahum!) depsite not being a native speaker but I'm afraid I can't expect the same of them. As always, any input will be appreciated.

I was also wondering whether you are referring to mongering or non-pro action.

Your post gives the impression that you are interested in non-pro action. I suck at picking up non-pros so I can't help you there.

If you mean P4P, then El A has given you good advice.

George90
01-20-07, 22:46
I agree with Alex. My own experience: in my late teens /early twenties, I will screw any woman with a single priority: to cum asap and as many times as possible. Then I start getting bothered when the session with the professional or the girlfriend was not interactive: the 'usual' behavior where a woman spreads her legs open and things that's the only thing she needs to do. I and my late twenties, I would be so turned off by such women but I will not even have an erection to. Loose!

In my 30s, I lost completely my patience for women (again girlfriends or professionals) who will not do this or that. Even the few times I ended up continuing the sex act to full orgasm, it was a miserable one. I couldn't understand why I had to 'beg; for a blow job or why a girlfriend will never come on top etc. I also found it very irritating when a pro will not take of her bra.

In my 40s now, I am having hard time to turned on by anyone who does not have a pleasant personality and/or a smile on her face.

Again, that's my personal experience. Again, I think more of it is psychological, feeling that the person next to you.pro or not- really cares about you even for 5 minutes, than having to battle an orgasm out of a situation.

I had the same evolution. When I was younger, I could put up with the BS many women give us much more than I can now. Now, if she doesn't have the body shape I like, a pleasant personality, and a willingness to do what I want, then I don't have the time or money for her.

In fact, I am much more willing to go with a plain looking woman with a nice personality than a gorgeous woman who has a horrible personality.

Van Velen
01-22-07, 15:54
Thanks a lot for the info, El Austriaco. I'm sure I'm not the only one who profitted from it.

El Austriaco
01-23-07, 07:22
Always glad to be of help. I just remembered something that might be of interest to you, about that very hard-to-define category between pros and non-pros, the so-called semipros. In other words, a non-pro who, considering the right circumstances, might want to consider a (direct or rather indirect)sex for money transaction. A while ago, we had an interesting exchange with a guy on the Cartagena, Colombia board on this. This was his original story:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=494714&postcount=1622

And a few guys chimed in on this, including myself:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=494723&postcount=1623
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=494729&postcount=1625
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=494732&postcount=1626

I thought it might be interesting to you.

EA

Rubber Nursey
02-13-07, 01:36
As always, an excellent post by El Austriaco. :) Particularly (from a sex worker's point of view) the part about clarifying exactly what's included in the service, before the service starts. It makes the session flow much easier when you both know what you want and what's expected of you. I would also add condom use to EA's list of things to agree on prior to the service. If you go in expecting a BBBJ, you won't be impressed when she slips on a condom - I've also read stories from guys who automatically assumed they would use a condom for sex and were horrified to have the girl just jump on without one! If there's something really important to you that she won't agree on, PLEASE don't go into it thinking that you'll be able to change her mind during the session. Save her the aggravation and yourself the disappointment and go find another girl who offers the specific service you're looking for.

And just on the last two points EA made...

7) Don't take the first offer they make. You gotta negotiate, man. Doing your research here and collecting the latest intel in the field will give you a good idea of what to pay.
8) And, most importantly, NEVER pay upfront. NEVER.

That advice won't work so well in some parts of the world. In Australia, for example, the price quoted will be a flat rate for a pre-determined service (with additional services usually costing extra). Try and 'negotiate' with the average Aussie hooker and you'll end up getting a crap service, or get turned down completely, because it will be considered insulting. Please remember that unless the girl is independent, the amount quoted will usually include an agency fee. Any discounts given will almost always come off the girl's share of the fee, which isn't fair considering it's the girl that's performing the service. Haggling the fee down to where she's barely getting anything out of it (and you may not even know this is the case, particularly if you do the deal with the agency, not the girl herself) is a sure-fire way to get yourself a terrible service from a pissed off sex worker who thinks you're a cheapskate.

Also, in Australia and a number of other countries, it's standard practice to pay upfront. No money upfront, no service. Here, most clients wouldn't even contemplate asking to pay afterwards - it's just how it's done. Obviously this issue is all about trust. You guys don't trust we'll do the service once you've paid and we don't trust that you'll pay us afterwards. I won't bother saying which option I believe is 'right' (that should be obvious!) but I will say this...if your girl spends the entire booking wondering whether you're gonna pay her at the end or whether she's having sex with a complete stranger for absolutely nothing, she's not gonna be nearly as attentive as she would be if her wallet was already full.

Rubber Nursey
02-13-07, 02:11
Van Velen,

Like EA, I wasn't entirely sure whether you were talking about sex workers or 'regular' girls. If you're talking about propositioning a woman who is obviously working (at a disco, go-go, street corner, whatever), just go for it. Hookers are businesswomen and they will be expecting you to talk business at some point. If you're not sure whether she's working or not, but you think she is, the suggestions EA gave you are great. Do some polite fishing and wait for her to make the suggestion. However, in places where prostitution is illegal (or girls have reason to be scared of the cops) she may need you to be the one to ask outright and if there's a language barrier, you may have difficulty picking up on any subtle hints she's trying to make.

If you're talking about offering a 'regular' girl money for sex ...don't do it!!! Most women would be horrified by the insinuation that they are a wh*re. Honestly, even when I was a wh*re, I was insulted by people who thought they could buy my affections outside of working hours. (Hookers have private sex lives, too!) Anyway, why would you want to pay a regular girl for sex? If the conversation is getting cosy enough for you to bring up the subject of having sex, then there's a good chance that she wants it too - for free! :)

Mandrake
02-13-07, 10:31
That advice won't work so well in some parts of the world. In Australia, for example, the price quoted will be a flat rate for a pre-determined service (with additional services usually costing extra). Try and 'negotiate' with the average Aussie hooker and you'll end up getting a crap service, or get turned down completely, because it will be considered insulting.
Also, in Australia and a number of other countries

Hi folks.

This is just an addition to RNs comments on paying up front.
In most of Western Europe the price is fixed and payment is expected upfront.

As always, the 'when in Rome' rule apply and it is always a good idear to check out the customs of the country you visit.

As for picking girls.
This is tricky, personally I have accepted the fact that even with the all the preparation in the world, sometimes it will be crap anyway.
Just accept that and move on.

Thanks, m

Oldtimer43
02-13-07, 10:47
In fact, I am much more willing to go with a plain looking woman with a nice personality than a gorgeous woman who has a horrible personality.I agree with that statement 100% unless there is some interaction and she is pleasant I think it is a huge turnoff.

To go with someone just because she looks stunning and nothing else to me is a waste of time.

Excess
02-13-07, 13:43
Interesting and in my opinion valid comment from RN and Mandrake.

Operative words being 'standard practice', 'when in Rome' etc. I would however make a point that the Consumers of p4p do have the right to set the terms if they wish and if the local customs allow. The 'standard practice' such as money up front only becomes standard when it becomes the norm. In other areas a different norm may and does apply while in still others it is in a state of flux - with a tussle between the ideal of the consumers - to pay after for services provided for and the providers - to be paid up front and then deliver the service.

It is rare in business to be paid prior to performing the service or delivering the goods to the satisfaction of the consumer - most of us would baulk at doing otherwise in any areas of commerce and would not think to do so.

The 'stiff' who 'stiffs' a working girl is no better than the working girl who 'stiffs' her customer. Both happen, hopefully with full communication before hand of expectations and pricing these can be reduced if not eliminated, but there will always be the bad apples of both sexes.

Personally, my preference is to pay following receipt of the service that has been discussed and agreed - willing buyer and willing seller. If due to local Customs it requires cash up front - I can oblige without undue fuss but I will lightly challenge it. Simply a principle applied to most transactions. The final and definitive word as always is that of the prospective Customer and not the Provider. Walking away from transaction before consummating it is a most effective form of choice if the offered and negotiated terms and conditions do not suit.

Acting like a Gentlemen and a Lady, will almost always improve the session and is only right and logical since bottom line two human beings are involved. The only provisio would be that when it was time to 'hit the sheets' there is room for 'Unladylike' behaviour to improve the experience, while a Gentleman should normally remain one while ensuring that he is doing his share. :-))

I also subscribe to the theory that it is the right and duty of the Customer to reward and to discipline the behaviour of the Provider.

A good session for me brings - extended (paid for) time, repeat business and suggestions to others interested of that experience. A bad session brings - no extended time, no repeat business and suggestions to others interested no to do so.

Effectively, as for any sector provider of bad service or delivering something less than was agreed, hitting them in the pocket book is the most effective means to reinforce the good 'uns and penalising the bad 'uns. Most providers in any industry who pride themselves on good service and value for money dislike other providers who do not do so and will be happy to see them financially penalised.

The value of Boards like ISG from a Customer's point of view is to highlight good providers and do the same for bad. That is why valid and real field reports form the basis of the Board. A good provider has little to fear from this.

Btw - Rubber Nursey are you sure that you are effectively retired, I was wondering ......... as I have been wondering about Sasha C. and China L.

Time to make a trip back to the Antipodes and engage in some, ehhm, disgraceful behaviour - in the nicest possible way, of course.

Cheers.

El Austriaco
02-13-07, 23:40
Like EA, I wasn't entirely sure whether you were talking about sex workers or 'regular' girls.
Thanks for the kudos, RN. Considering that Van Velen didn't specify which country he was thinking about visiting, it was sort of hard to come up with good recommendations, considering what a diverse world we live in, but I thought it would be prudent to tell him NOT to pay upfront based on his general outline, which seemed to suggest he was looking for freelance P4P providers (pros/non-pros?) more than anything else.

Of course, there are many establishments all over the world where you just HAVE to pay upfront, period, no way around it, and there is no negotiating whatsoever. In addition, there are many countries where paying upfront is just the norm under any circumstances, like the US or Australia. That's why I think that reading the board and taking notes is so important.

But there are many countries where you can find freelancers, and that's where the no payment upfront policy and negotiating strategy comes into play. Needless to say, this statement of mine was (and is) essentially based on the countries where I have mongered.

Hope this helps to clarify things,

EA

Rubber Nursey
02-14-07, 01:02
EA - Please don't think for a second that I was knocking your advice. I realise that negotiation and paying after the service is standard practice in many countries and is often the case, as you said, with freelancers. I did my fair share of negotiation myself when I was working privately and didn't have to hand over half my earnings to the house. (Although I still never budged on the pay upfront rule! :) )

Not knowing which country he was intending to visit though, I thought it was probably worth mentioning that he could do himself a disservice if he attempted to negotiate or withhold payment in some places.

El Austriaco
02-14-07, 01:06
RN, I totally agree with you. Your note was very well received and noteworthy: there ARE quite a bit of countries out there where paying up front it the rule, and you were right in pointing that out. Perhaps I was just thinking too much about places I had visited. In any case, mea culpa, and thanks for the correction. You are 100% right.

Rubber Nursey
02-14-07, 02:01
It is rare in business to be paid prior to performing the service or delivering the goods to the satisfaction of the consumer - most of us would baulk at doing otherwise in any areas of commerce and would not think to do so.
The operative words here being 'to the satisfaction of the consumer'. That's all well and good when the quality of the service can be readily measured, like if your toilet is working again when the plumber leaves. But 'good sex' is highly subjective. You only have to read the reviews on this site to see how it can vary. Ten people might review one girl, with five thinking she's a goddess and five saying she was terrible. The girl herself probably worked just as hard for her money in all ten bookings - but if the payment after service rule applies, those last five guys may pay her less, or not at all, because they weren't as satisfied. Hardly fair.

The main difference between the sex industry and other businesses is, of course, the lack of legal recourse due to the illegality and/or stigma attached to sex work. Workers often can't go to the police and clients are anonymous. The only way to ensure that you're gonna get paid for the service is to demand payment upfront.


Walking away from transaction before consummating it is a most effective form of choice if the offered and negotiated terms and conditions do not suit.
Absolutely. No sex worker makes a client pay upfront or pay more than he wanted to. If he reluctantly agrees to terms that don't really suit him, he's got nobody to blame but himself if things go wrong. Sex workers are businesswomen and have the right to conduct their business as they see fit and clients are consumers, who have the right to vote with their feet.


Acting like a Gentlemen and a Lady, will almost always improve the session and is only right and logical since bottom line two human beings are involved.
Truer words were never spoken.


... when it was time to 'hit the sheets' there is room for 'Unladylike' behaviour to improve the experience, while a Gentleman should normally remain one while ensuring that he is doing his share.
I must confess, while I do appreciate a Gentleman, I certainly don't mind if a Gentleman occasionally unleashes his inner Caveman. :)


Btw - Rubber Nursey are you sure that you are effectively retired, I was wondering .........
Ah, you wouldn't want this old broad anyway. ;) I haven't given up drinking, though - so if you ever do end up visiting the Land Down Under, I'd be happy to shout you a beer!

Excess
02-14-07, 09:44
Ah, you wouldn't want this old broad anyway. ;) I haven't given up drinking, though - so if you ever do end up visiting the Land Down Under, I'd be happy to shout you a beer!

I'll take that as both a threat and a promise - and promise to do so when I have the chance to re-visit the "West Island". You never know - RN - "You can take the girl out of play - but never take the play out of the girl." And thank goodness for that.

Inner caveman, indeed ! "-)) "Arggghh, that would be the Brontasaurus that you'd be looking for wouldn't it, me girl ?." Ya gotta laugh.

Ken Kelova
02-20-07, 23:02
Hi


My problem is I tend to suffer from some form of premature ejaculation. I mean when I get down to sex with a woman, I get very passionate and hard. But then when it gets to the act of sex itself, that is penetration, my penis tends to get overly sensitive and pretty soon I cum.


Kaplay

Hey Kaplay,
Not sure if you have found a solution to your problem yet. If not, I may have one for you. I suffer from the same problem as you and for me as well, going slow does prolong the session but can't go slow forever right? A friend of mine then suggested I use a desensitizing spray which i had never heard of. I went online and researched it quite a bit and found a few names. The most popular one is called "Stud 100". Basically, it's a spray that you spray on your (penis) head about 15 minutes before you get into it. I usually spray it on just before foreplay to give enough time for it to have its effect. You spray about 3-4 times on and around the head. What it does is pretty much makes your head numb so you don't feel much while pounding away. I can personally say that it worked bloody well! Once I went all out on the chick and just would not ejaculate but every other time when I was ready to finish off I just picked up the pace and I was done. It would probably be best if you used it with a condom coz i read that otherwise the potion also rubs on her vagina and numbs it a bit.
I have used it about 7 times so far and it has worked well each time. The only side effect I feel is a slight warming sensation on the head which probably means it is working. Otherwise no side effects at all since then.
Fellas, I don't sell this stuff or anything in case anybody is wondering. Just trying to help a fellow minute man.... :)
Good luck buddy, and anybody else who needs this.

Kaplay
02-27-07, 18:53
Hi Ken,

Many thanks for the advice. I am still getting some of that problem. I've sometimes tried breathing techniques and thinking of other things but still have not found a solution.

I once was in a sex shop in HK and the lady did ask me whether I wanted to try a delay spray as she callled it. I was not too sure of spraying just anything on my penis so I declined. I was also afraid of any side effects that it may have.

Can you tell me where I can get some info on Stud100. I would like to read up more about it and the next time I visit I may try and ask for it.

Thanks and I shall update on it once I have tried it.


Hey Kaplay,

Not sure if you have found a solution to your problem yet. If not, I may have one for you. I suffer from the same problem as you and for me as well, going slow does prolong the session but can't go slow forever right? A friend of mine then suggested I use a desensitizing spray which i had never heard of. I went online and researched it quite a bit and found a few names. The most popular one is called "Stud 100". Basically, it's a spray that you spray on your (penis) head about 15 minutes before you get into it. I usually spray it on just before foreplay to give enough time for it to have its effect. You spray about 3-4 times on and around the head. What it does is pretty much makes your head numb so you don't feel much while pounding away. I can personally say that it worked bloody well! Once I went all out on the chick and just would not ejaculate but every other time when I was ready to finish off I just picked up the pace and I was done. It would probably be best if you used it with a condom coz i read that otherwise the potion also rubs on her vagina and numbs it a bit.
I have used it about 7 times so far and it has worked well each time. The only side effect I feel is a slight warming sensation on the head which probably means it is working. Otherwise no side effects at all since then.
Fellas, I don't sell this stuff or anything in case anybody is wondering. Just trying to help a fellow minute man.... :)
Good luck buddy, and anybody else who needs this.

Ken Kelova
03-01-07, 16:09
Hi Kaplay,
Actually it's known the world over. Just go to google and type in the name. It is a delay spray.... yes.
I read all about it online and then went to a pharmacy and asked for it. Luckily they had it.

Check it out.

Ken

Xephyr
04-11-07, 23:22
Greetings Everyone,

I left this post in for everyone's amusement, but obviously I'm going to delete this guy's membership for proselytizing (and I know that many of you have never heard this word before).

Thanks,

Jackson

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Don't be promiscuous (having or engaging in casual, random sexual)

Sex is the means by which the race projects itself into the future through children and the family. A lot of pleasure and happiness can come from sex: nature intended it that way so the race would go on. But, misused or abused, it carries with it heavy penalties and punishments: nature seems to have intended it that way also.

3-1. Be faithful to your sexual partner. Unfaithfulness on the part of a sexual partner can heavily reduce one's survival. History and the newspapers carry floods of instances of the violence of human passions aroused by unfaithfulness. "Guilt" is the milder evil. Jealousy and vengeance are the greater monsters: one never knows when they will cease to sleep. It is all very well to speak of "being civilized" and "uninhibited" and "understanding"; no talk will mend ruined lives. A "feeling of guilt" is nowhere near as sharp as a knife in the back or ground glass in the soup.

Additionally, there is the question of health. If you do not insist upon faithfulness from a sexual partner, you lay yourself open to disease. For a very brief period, it was said that sexual diseases were all under control. This is not now the case, if it ever was. Incurable strains of such diseases now exist.

The problems of sexual misbehavior are not new. The powerful religion of Buddhism in India vanished from there in the seventh century. According to its own historians the cause was sexual promiscuity in its monasteries.

More modernly, when sexual promiscuity becomes prevalent in an organization, commercial or otherwise, the organization can be seen to fail. No matter how civilized their discussions about it, families shatter in the face of unfaithfulness.
The urge of the moment can become the sorrow of a lifetime. Impress those around you with that and safeguard your own health and pleasure.

Sex is a big step on the way to happiness and joy. There is nothing wrong with it if it is followed with faithfulness and decency.

Double Nickle
04-12-07, 15:44
Xephyr apparently can't spell zephyr and he apparently did not write his report which appears to be lifted from a Church of Scientology pamphlet, "The Way to Happiness." Scientology founder L Ron Hubbard in an earlier book, Science of Survival, said "MAN IS BY NATURE POLYGAMOUS," or words to that effect. LRH apparently had his own fun with the opposite sex, even outside of his three marriages.

Jake Monger
04-28-07, 18:49
Back to the subject!

I have one foreign trip to take this year, from Las Vegas, NV in USA. I have narrowed choices down to Columbia at the mansion, Domican Republic, and Brasil. Has anyone been to all three within the last couple of years, and if so, which is your favorite?

Thanks!

Double Nickle
05-13-07, 11:58
Jackson's basic instructions for Reports of Distinction work and can also be used elsewhere than the Reports of Distinction thread to post a link.


Greetings everyone,

I've started this new thread to provide a centralized location to catalog the Forum's best travel reports. Here's the idea:

If you have written one or several detailed travel reports, or if you know of such reports, then please post the link here.

You may also include a short summary of the nature of the report.

A sample report would be something like this:

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Here's a great series of reports by Young & Restless on his trip to Rio in January of 2005.

334449
334448
334447

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You can copy and paste the link into a report, or you can do it the easy way and use the tags, which you would format like this:

[post]Post ID number here

You can identify the Post ID by moving your mouse pointer over the "Quote" button and reading the Post ID number in the Status Bar at the bottom of your browser window. It's the last number at the end of the link text, just after the letters "p=".

Please note: In order for this thread to be effective, it cannot turn into a discussion forum. I don't want to have to be so tough about this, but any reports that do not include a link to another report will be deleted.

Thanks,

JacksonLoveLos in the USA Sex Guide gives a second way to make a link using post tags which I find preferable myself as you get the wording you choose rather than alphabet soup.


...A sample report would be something like this:

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Here's a fucked up series of reports by BSR and LL on effective use of Google and USG/ISG for finding information for use in mongering

LoveLOS on how to RTFF
Bench Seats Rock on using Google

============================================

You can copy and paste the link into a report, or you can do it the easy way and use the tags, which you would format like this:

[post]Post ID number here
Whatever you want your link to say here

You can identify the Post ID by moving your mouse pointer over the "Quote" button and reading the Post ID number in the Status Bar at the bottom of your browser window. It's the last number at the end of the link text, just after the letters "p=".Note that LoveLos' samples won't direct you to the right post here as the post tags are USASG post tags, not ISG ones.

Double Nickle

Wanking
06-08-07, 22:54
http://www.megarotic.com/?v=6CSKUUN1

Might answer some questions for some guys...

G Funk Era
06-29-07, 07:42
Hi

I am seeking some advice on a personal problem of mine. I am in my early thirties.
My problem is I tend to suffer from some form of premature ejaculation. I have the opposite problem. I have never been able to climax while having sex. I ejaculate while masturbating, but never through intercourse or other intimate contact with a partner.

I recently saw a provider for the first time, and it was disappointing and a little embarassing when I couldn't come.

The last time I had sex was 12 years ago when I was 18 years old. I haven't had very many opportunities, so I guess I have a lot of anxiety about "getting it right" the next time.

Perhaps it's a combination of nerves and using a condom? Or worse: have I "conditioned" myself to only be able to come while jerking off? Is there anything I can do?

I would really like to be able to trade places with the OP.

Johan007
10-12-07, 11:53
http://www.megarotic.com/?v=6CSKUUN1

Might answer some questions for some guys...

This video is for premium members only!

;-)

Johan007
10-12-07, 11:59
Back to the subject!

I have one foreign trip to take this year, from Las Vegas, NV in USA. I have narrowed choices down to Columbia at the mansion, Domican Republic, and Brasil. Has anyone been to all three within the last couple of years, and if so, which is your favorite?

Thanks!


I was in all 3 countries and in the DR even several times (last time in february 2007).

It all depends what you wanna do...and how much money you wanna burn...and if you speak the lingo.

If you do NOT speak spanish/Portugese and are not very experienced monger i would advise DR for you. IF in the DR do NOT take an all in resort as you will NOT be allowed to take in "friends"into your room:-(
In Colombia and Brasil there are many savety issues. In Colombia that is OUTSIDE the cities and in Brasil INSIDE large cities.Brasil can be very expensive...especialy the southern regions with SP and Rio.
Women wise Colombia has the most pretty women IMHO.

If you realy are into anal sex you should go to Brasil. Colombia would be the cheapest bet....Brasil would be the moet expensive one out of these 3 countries. Then again down town Santo Domingo CAN be pretty expensive aswell both hookie wise and on the accomodation.

if you want specefic info pls PM me.

cheers

Johan

Bimbo Boy
10-13-07, 00:51
I have the opposite problem. I have never been able to climax while having sex. I ejaculate while masturbating, but never through intercourse or other intimate contact with a partner.
That's because the mechanical stimulus one gets in masturbation is much stronger than the stimulus one's penis gets in rubbing the inside of a vagina.
Cures are :
1° Teach your girls to squeeze their vagina muscles (Turkish and Arab girls do it incredibly well).
2° Wank less and fuck more.
Regards. BB.

Toto I
10-17-07, 04:30
Hello people,

I'd like some advice, tips and help on something that is really bothering me. Seems like I am suffering from premature ejaculation. I come within a 1-2 minutes and this is as you can imagine terribly depressing. It's affecting me to the point that I ask myself "what's the point of picking up a girl if I can't stay longer than a minute. It's affecting my confidence big time not only in sex but also in every day life. Even with girlfriends and girls with who things are going nice and it's getting hot and then, I seem to have this mental block due to my premature ejaculation problem that I don't even dare taking things to the next level with them. And I am also very hesitant nowadays in seeing working girls as what's the point of paying 1-200$ for a couple of minutes of action.

So please, can anyone direct me towards some help, any form of help? I am desperate to fix that problem that is really bothering me in ways that you can't imagine. I really don't understand why I have this problem. I am young, late 20's, in a very good health, in a good shape not fit but good shape maybe 5 kgs overweight. Could this be due to the fact that I used to be very intensively into sports before and very fit but for a few years now, due to work, school and other things, I have unfortunately become totally disconnected from most physical activity? So does a better fitness, physical endurance improvane staying power? Does working out, running and other sporting activity help in fighting and healing premature ejaculation?

I would truly appreciate any tips, advices and help.

Thank you very much to all for your understanding and help.

Rubber Nursey
10-18-07, 11:19
Hi Toto,

We had a long discussion about this a while back. Go back a couple of pages in this section, to post #48.

Good luck! x

Davidb3069
11-07-07, 23:07
I have the opposite problem. I have never been able to climax while having sex. I ejaculate while masturbating, but never through intercourse or other intimate contact with a partner.

I recently saw a provider for the first time, and it was disappointing and a little embarassing when I couldn't come.

The last time I had sex was 12 years ago when I was 18 years old. I haven't had very many opportunities, so I guess I have a lot of anxiety about "getting it right" the next time.

Perhaps it's a combination of nerves and using a condom? Or worse: have I "conditioned" myself to only be able to come while jerking off? Is there anything I can do?

I would really like to be able to trade places with the OP.

Don't feel bad. Finishing up with a condom and a new chick isn't always easy. I have high blood pressure which makes it even harder. If you take any meds like I do (for blood pressure), they can have side effects.

Relax and have fun. There is no rule that says you have to come with the chick. If she's a pro, she'd prefer you did (and quickly) so she can move on. If you don't, it's not the end of the world. When I'm tired, it's even more difficult.

Another thing is, if I am not really attracted to a girl, it's difficult to finish. You have to learn what you like and what turns you on. Everyone is different. Some of the girls are smart enough to figure out what works for you (if you are a repeat customer) and they will try to help you out.

You might be really shocked -- after 12 years with nothing you might blow long before you want to. Reminds me of a story once where a guy was telling a story a girl told him. She had sex with a guy like you that hadn't gotten laid in many years. She jerked up and down and up and that was it. There he blew.

David

Davidb3069
11-07-07, 23:22
Hello people,

I'd like some advice, tips and help on something that is really bothering me. Seems like I am suffering from premature ejaculation. I come within a 1-2 minutes and this is as you can imagine terribly depressing. It's affecting me to the point that I ask myself "what's the point of picking up a girl if I can't stay longer than a minute. It's affecting my confidence big time not only in sex but also in every day life. Even with girlfriends and girls with who things are going nice and it's getting hot and then, I seem to have this mental block due to my premature ejaculation problem that I don't even dare taking things to the next level with them. And I am also very hesitant nowadays in seeing working girls as what's the point of paying 1-200$ for a couple of minutes of action.

So please, can anyone direct me towards some help, any form of help? I am desperate to fix that problem that is really bothering me in ways that you can't imagine. I really don't understand why I have this problem. I am young, late 20's, in a very good health, in a good shape not fit but good shape maybe 5 kgs overweight. Could this be due to the fact that I used to be very intensively into sports before and very fit but for a few years now, due to work, school and other things, I have unfortunately become totally disconnected from most physical activity? So does a better fitness, physical endurance improvane staying power? Does working out, running and other sporting activity help in fighting and healing premature ejaculation?

I would truly appreciate any tips, advices and help.

Thank you very much to all for your understanding and help.

Honestly, I would take this up with a doctor. It sounds like you might benefit from a visit. May be a simple fix and you've suffered with it all these years.

David

The Lucky Guy
11-08-07, 00:01
hi

i am seeking some advice on a personal problem of mine. i am in my early thirties.
my problem is i tend to suffer from some form of premature ejaculation. i mean when i get down to sex with a woman, i get very passionate and hard. but then when it gets to the act of sex itself, that is penetration, my penis tends to get overly sensitive and pretty soon i cum.

for me slow and gentle sex is one way that i can hold a bit longer but as you all know, sex doing it at slow speed is nice for both parties but sometimes you just got to step it up a gear or two. i have left some woman disappointed in the past as i could feel that they were getting into the swing of things once i was in as they were swinging their hips around. but i had to tell them to stop as it was getting to sensitive for me.

i have tried reading various sorts of tips in magazines but still cannot get rid of my problem. i have tried the hold bit. they say like when you take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you try to control it by stopping halfway and then let it go again. this i have tried during masturbation and sex but still the sensitiveness wins over in the end.

i would welcome any advice or tips in this matter. i seem to think that there is no other way for me.

thanks,

kaplayhi kaplay,

i used to have that problem to some extent years ago but it has disappeared. i don't know if this idea is too simplistic but this is how i would attack it if i had the problem now.

1. first of all; premature ejection as well as impotence is often caused by stress in some form, for example the idea/fear you wont get hard will prevent you from getting hard, the thought/fear of coming to quickly will cause stress that makes you come to quickly. therefore you must find a way of stopping the bad circle. what i would do is to avoid short time meaning the girl disappear after you have popped. the fact that it is all over once you popped will definately cause stress.

2. go on a 1-2 week "therapy vacation". make sure that you always have lt or st meaning minimum 2 hours to 18 hours with an unlimited number of pops.

3. this may sound extremly counter productive - but it is what i would do - use cialis. yes, you heard right increase your stamina insted of decreasing it. my logic is this; whith cialis you will be able to perform within minutes after your first pop. if your present potence is normal, with cialis you can easily have sex every hour for a whole day. sooner or later yoy will physicaly and mentally be both exhausted and satisfied and you will be able to hold as long as you want. once you have experienced that you can hold back, the bad circle starts to get broken.

what i mean is this; find a way to force your body and mind to get so exhausted that premature ejaculation is not possible. once you start to experience control - control will slowly came back to you naturally and stay like that without any kind of "tools". but, to get so exhausted you need to have artifical stamina - you will get that with cialis.

Davidb3069
11-08-07, 00:31
I agree with that statement 100% unless there is some interaction and she is pleasant I think it is a huge turnoff.

To go with someone just because she looks stunning and nothing else to me is a waste of time.

I agree. I like to see some chemistry plus a nice look. I take personality over looks most of the time.

David

Davidb3069
11-08-07, 00:53
I had the same evolution. When I was younger, I could put up with the BS many women give us much more than I can now. Now, if she doesn't have the body shape I like, a pleasant personality, and a willingness to do what I want, then I don't have the time or money for her.

In fact, I am much more willing to go with a plain looking woman with a nice personality than a gorgeous woman who has a horrible personality.

Sounds like you guys are a lot like me. After being with hundreds and hundreds of different women over the years, it's hard to get turned on. I've seen and been with what I'd consider the whole range of 5-10s on the scale. I have a hard time getting excited with normal sex. I do need a girl with a good personality. That's more of a turn-on. If it seems more natural, it's easier for me. More like a normal relationship, it's easier to wrap my mind around it. The girls that are pros that are pushy and want to rush just turn me off. They end up making me take longer. That's assuming I can even finish. It's a little easier fo me to come with a drop dead gorgeous girl..but it's not a requirement.

The girl that won't climb on top won't get my repeat business or a tip more than likely. I look at it like this: if I'm paying you for your time and performancd, you will do most of the work. I will do some too if it's something I don't mind. If I really like the girl I'd be more likely to do more of the work. If I don't see a repeat, she's gonna wear her a** out, not me!

I get more out of foreplay type acts than the intercourse. If I get the chance, I'll go down on her for 45 minutes before she even does anything for me.

I've found myself needing to get into more different situations to get turned on. Running out of fantasies and locations. Wondering how to keep it fresh. I see where the progression to swinging comes from.

David

Cock Sure
11-10-07, 12:51
Hi guys,

Does anyone have any advice for pleasuring a women using the pubic bone/pelvic thrust technique?

I have heard that without using hands or tongues, this is the most pleasurable way of pleasing a women and stimulating her clit.

Yet I cannot quite pull it off. Occasionally, I have tried with both pros and non-pros but never got a good rythym going.

Are there any free instructional videos out there or can anyone give their own anatomical tips?

Thanks

Davidb3069
11-13-07, 03:44
Hi guys,

Does anyone have any advice for pleasuring a women using the pubic bone/pelvic thrust technique?

I have heard that without using hands or tongues, this is the most pleasurable way of pleasing a women and stimulating her clit.

Yet I cannot quite pull it off. Occasionally, I have tried with both pros and non-pros but never got a good rythym going.

Are there any free instructional videos out there or can anyone give their own anatomical tips?

Thanks

I find it funny that most women won't let guys perform oral on them. When I offer to do it, I end up having to start bragging practically before they let me. Then they let me keep doing it a long time. I guess a lot of guys just aren't very good at it. Any ISG'er should be well trained though.

Can some of the ladies here tell me why women are reluctant to receive oral?

David

Cock Sure
11-14-07, 23:16
I think that a lot of women have mental issues with letting men down there not due to lack of ability but because they think the smell is bad.

I love to lick pussy mainly for the thrill of it so unless its not washed in a few days I don't see the problem!

Davidb3069
11-17-07, 22:25
I think that a lot of women have mental issues with letting men down there not due to lack of ability but because they think the smell is bad.

I love to lick pussy mainly for the thrill of it so unless its not washed in a few days I don't see the problem!

Might make sense. Considering the nasty stuff we expect them to put in their mouth.

David

Shyguy123
11-25-07, 23:41
Anyone here know of a place where I can download some HK porn?

Kaplay
11-28-07, 22:45
Lucky Guy,

Thanks for your advice. I think it does sound like something that one could try.
Now I have not tried this method yet but I see some sense into it. I say because I have found before that after I have done some kind of sporting activity, that same night when having some play time with myelf I would find myself holding out much longer. Unfrotunately I have not been able to try it out with someone as yet. So your theory does sound something that could be helpful.

Just to update from the last time that I posted and having been given advice from Rubber Nursey, I have yet to find success to the problem. I once tried some delay spray such as Stud 100 but that got me some numb that once I was inside the pussy, my penis was not having any feeling and went south.

I don't know about the caucasian escorts but one time I was in HK, I got this beautiful asian girl and I did inform her about my problem but she only allowed the one pop and any seconds I would have had to pay for it. But the price for the first shot was already costly so had to pass it out.

I think that the problem could also come from wanking off too much. I mean from my teenage years into my early twenties it was a night time ritual to do it before bed and sometimes it was always like a rush thing to get it over and done with and maybe this is now an effect that is having on my performance.
Glad that you are being helpful.

Kaply


Hi Kaplay,

I used to have that problem to some extent years ago but it has disappeared. I don't know if this idea is too simplistic but this is how I would attack it if I had the problem now.

1. First of all; premature ejection as well as impotence is often caused by stress in some form, for example the idea/fear you wont get hard will prevent you from getting hard, the thought/fear of coming to quickly will cause stress that makes you come to quickly. Therefore you must find a way of stopping the bad circle. What I would do is to avoid Short Time meaning the girl disappear after you have popped. The fact that it is all over once you popped will definately cause stress.

2. Go on a 1-2 week "therapy vacation". Make sure that you always have LT or ST meaning minimum 2 hours to 18 hours with an unlimited number of pops.

3. This may sound extremly counter productive - but it is what I would do - use Cialis. Yes, you heard right increase your stamina insted of decreasing it. My logic is this; whith Cialis you will be able to perform within minutes after your first pop. If your present potence is normal, with Cialis you can easily have sex every hour for a whole day. Sooner or later yoy will physicaly and mentally be both exhausted and satisfied and you will be able to hold as long as you want. Once you have experienced that you can hold back, the bad circle starts to get broken.

What I mean is this; find a way to force your body and mind to get so exhausted that premature ejaculation is not possible. Once you start to experience control - control will slowly came back to you naturally and stay like that without any kind of "tools". But, to get so exhausted you need to have artifical stamina - you will get that with Cialis.

Mr Mundo
02-22-08, 19:44
I think that a lot of women have mental issues with letting men down there not due to lack of ability but because they think the smell is bad.

I love to lick pussy mainly for the thrill of it so unless its not washed in a few days I don't see the problem!But do you really want to lick pussy from a PRO?

Aolini
04-05-08, 22:03
I've been recently thinking about the attitude of many P4Ps and after careful consideration, there is a simple rule you can use to judge whether you have hit a good performer or not.

A lot of P4Ps like to ask "what do you want to do" either before you agree to take them or after you do take them. Every time they initiated this conversation I have had a bad experience. Firstly, it spoils the moment as you have to inform them in a business-like manner that you want your d!"£ to go in this hole or that hole and secondly, it is a sign of them not knowing their business well. Does a professional ask his clients each time what do they expect from him?! No! He does the best job he can. After all, they know why we are paying - and it's not for their intelligence.

The few times that a P4P did not even ask me what I want to do I had a great time. She just went on to give her best performance, without the insecurity and weirdness factor involved in explaining to her word by word a job that she well should know how to perform by now!

I know a lot of mongers like to agree beforehand if a girl does this or that. That's fine as long as YOU initiate this conversation. If she does, forget it. It is a sign of her trying to confirm that you will not ask her to do anything more than the bare minimum (i.e. open her legs).

You have been warned!

Cwomd
06-16-08, 18:03
Hello,

I am curious if you guys think there is any correlation between the darkness and size of the pussy lips and the amount of sex the girl has had. I've been assuming that really dark and 'beat-up' looking lips was an indicator of having lots of sex and definitely not being a virgin..

Am I wrong?

Rubber Nursey
06-17-08, 02:51
I am curious if you guys think there is any correlation between the darkness and size of the pussy lips and the amount of sex the girl has had. I've been assuming that really dark and 'beat-up' looking lips was an indicator of having lots of sex and definitely not being a virgin.
Does a white man who has lots of sex end up with a black penis? :)

I think you'll find it's mostly genetics. And age. (And pregnancy can also darken skin-colour in certain parts of the body, sometimes permanently).

An older woman is more likely to have darker and/or 'beat up' looking lips than a younger woman - just as they're more likely to have dark circles under their eyes or saggy boobs. It's just part of the ageing process. There may appear to be a correlation between darkness/size and lots of sex, but only because an older woman can be reasonably expected to have more sexual experience than a younger woman.

I've seen a lot of white men with very dark-coloured penis/balls/perineum. Often they have some dark-skinned ancestry (say, an Indian or Aboriginal great grandmother). I'm assuming the same could be true for women. Is there a geneticist in the house?

Klang
07-28-08, 00:14
Does anyone know where is the place in Europe that Ryanaire flys where we can get cheap sex?

Wapec
08-24-08, 07:03
Believe it or not I reckon Germany's FKK Clubs hit that spot. Otherwise you're looking to the Baltic or Central Euro Asian States.


Does anyone know where is the place in Europe that Ryanaire flys where we can get cheap sex?

Cinta
09-02-08, 03:41
Does a white man who has lots of sex end up with a black penis? :)Perhaps a bacterial infection is the cause of the skin color change in the penis?

Raphaelduc
10-20-08, 00:02
Hi,

I have been lurking on this board for some time, and went to FKK Palace for the first time last week. However, I could not get an erection and it was a fiasco with two girls.

I don't know why this happened. I am 37, and can get an erection when I watch porn, and have had erections before with women including professionals. The day before I went to Oase I had a strong erection watching porn, but I did not mastrubate because I was saving up!

However, I am worried. Have been researching the net. There is so much confusing information. I had horny goat weed (One 500 mg capusle per day) for about 3 weeks, and I get good erections when watching porn. On the day I had 2 capsules with coffee at around 10 in the morning. My encounters were at 11 Am and 3 pm but both times I was limp. I even took an extra Horny Goat Weed pill at 2 pm but nothing happened. I am really worried. Am checking out the sites, but can anyone of you give me advice? What wrked for you. I don t have any medical conditons, though now I am concerned. Can I change this through excercise or diet? My diet is healthy. Fish, vegetables, pasta and rice, vitamin pills, zinc and magnesium pills, with lots of fruits and water. I am not overweight though I am not muscle bound either. I am the normal average Joe.

I am looking for some herbal remedies, for I have heard that Viagra, Cialis and Levitra have side effects. Is this true? Any experiences. I had slightly high Blood Pressure the last time I saw a doctor.

I am also worried that the girls will talk to each other and the next time I go, I won't get any pussy.

Help me out brothers!

Pagodaguy
10-24-08, 04:39
Having been a monger both in Australia and Asia I would like to point out a few things.

I firmly believe Thai hookers/bargirls are so respected because the price of using there service is so reasonable compared to a hooker in the west. For example I am a firm believer that most mongers are good people. I personally believe the majority of mongers are kind and nice to the girls. Being kind to these girls in both markets has given me many extras at no cost!

Unfortunately the economic reality is what it is. In the west a hooker will cost at least $100- for 1/2 an hour of full service (intercourse) WHILST in the developing world that amount (A$100-) would allow for a weekend of fun with 1 service girl. When you are paying $100- for 30 min. You need to ensure you get a pop/if not a 2 pops. When you are in Asia (for example) you take it easy. Have something to eat, perhaps even a movie, perhaps some shopping and of course a FEW (untimed) pops.

The very reason you can not have this GFE experience in Australia is simple. A weekend fuckfest with 1 girl over a weekend would cost $2000-$3000 for the girl alone! NOT INCLUDING DINNER, MOVIE, HOTEL.

I have asked an older Singapore WG in Australia how much she would charge for an all nighter. Answer A$1000-

WTF. This is for a WG fast approaching 40, small tits, mechanical service at best.

$1000- in Thailand would be the price I used to pay for 2 months of my hookers time (special long term rate negotiated together).

So. That is 160 pops Vs 4 pops.

Dardo
11-05-08, 06:28
Hi all,

I'm a rookie monger and have been experiencing this for the last weeks.

After some years without a relations with girls I decided to take advantage that my work can be done through internet and spend several months at Thailand.

My experience so far has been, TOO good. I mean I'm a nice guy, and it's easy for me to make a girl smile and have fun.

But later I feel I get too much intimacy with the girls, making me feel a little sad when things don't go well, missing a girl when we had good experiences, or putting too much feelings everytime I meet a girl and spend a night with her.

Last week, I've been relaxing, and taking a time away from girls to think about this. I'm even thinking mongering is not made for me.

My idea was to find a girl I liked, to spend with her some days per week experiencing a "soft" relationship. But I'm not sure if something like this can be done without starting to feel to much attached with a girl.

Also, after 6 different girls, with wich I've had in overall very good experiences, I've still haven't found this kind of girl, something that is quite frustrating.

Counsell about this would be appreciatted. Thanks.

Suburbanfarmboy
12-07-08, 15:27
Been lurking for a few weeks now.

Just curious, how old do you think most members on the forum are?

I'm a noob in many regards, young and inexperienced so I'm not sure how I can add value on these posts.

Lucasur
12-10-08, 10:49
Hi all,

I'm a rookie monger and have been experiencing this for the last weeks.

After some years without a relations with girls I decided to take advantage that my work can be done through internet and spend several months at Thailand.

My experience so far has been, TOO good. I mean I'm a nice guy, and it's easy for me to make a girl smile and have fun.

But later I feel I get too much intimacy with the girls, making me feel a little sad when things don't go well, missing a girl when we had good experiences, or putting too much feelings everytime I meet a girl and spend a night with her.

Last week, I've been relaxing, and taking a time away from girls to think about this. I'm even thinking mongering is not made for me.Hi,

Your story is very alike mine, I just started mongering (last summer to be exact) and I found that I'm too a nice guy sometimes. As of now my experiences are limited to Artemis in Berlin and I had quite a few girls approaching me and even after the usual "not now, I'm relaxing" they would insist telling me that I'm so "nice" and that they like me and not someone else. I consider myself average looking so I don't think it is simply looks. I'll never forget an hour spent just talking and joking with a kenyan girl at Artemis "after" having had sex, so she wasn't just trying to get money because I had already paid her.

Sometimes I like and remember the chatting with the girls better than the actual sex.

My idea is that, at least in my case, I have had too few real girlfriend to experience the emotional bonding that is the connection that keep two persons together and therefore I look for it with any girl; it's like I crave it too much and so I keep looking for more than just sex everytime.

But I don't think that mongering is not for those like us. To me as long as it is fun for yourself and the girl is worth doing.

Carmex
01-27-09, 02:18
Hi all,

I'm a rookie monger and have been experiencing this for the last weeks.

After some years without a relations with girls I decided to take advantage that my work can be done through internet and spend several months at Thailand.

My experience so far has been, TOO good. I mean I'm a nice guy, and it's easy for me to make a girl smile and have fun.

I'm even thinking mongering is not made for me.

Counsell about this would be appreciatted. Thanks.

Dardo,

this happens to all mongers at some time or another. Especially in Thailand where the girls are just so nice. Also Philippines.

I think you have to decide what type of relationship you want. P4P girls are really more of pretend girlfriends. Do not forget that you are paying these girls to provide a service, and they have a job to make your experience as enjoyable as possible.

Personally, I think all relationships are based on give/take, or money exchange. Whether you are in a "regular" relationship or one with a pro. Personally, I cannot be monogamous, so I prefer working girls. However, there are some I see consistently, and we have good sex together.

I also grappled with the mongering thing not for me question. However, the alternative (marriage) is just not in my playbook.

My advice is to just have fun and not get too involved. Will be better for everyone. These girls are providers, like a car mechanic, only they are fixing your dick and not your Volvo.

Rubber Nursey
02-17-09, 03:51
My advice is to just have fun and not get too involved. Will be better for everyone. These girls are providers, like a car mechanic, only they are fixing your dick and not your Volvo.
LOL! I think that's one of the best analogies I've ever heard. :) And sage advice, as well.

Dr X Man
03-01-09, 18:05
Not all men are the same. The same man also changes with age, experiences and mode. We are humans after all not machines.
I see all relations cost men.
There are advantages of being single and having fun with different women. There are advantages of being in love but there are disadvantages too.

Purchasing

The math on the Paul McCartney-Heather Mills divorce is as follows:

After 5 years of marriage, he paid her $49 million.

Assuming he got sex every night during their 5 year relationship it ended up costing him $26,849 per time.

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Leasing

On the other hand, New York Governor Elliot Spitzer's hooker, Kristen, an absolute stunner with a body like no other, charges $4,000 an hour. For anything!

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Had Paul McCartney "employed" Kristen for 5 years, he would have paid $7.3 million for an hour of sex every night for 5 years (a $41.7 million savings).

Value-added benefits are: a 22 year old hot babe, no begging, no coaxing, never a
headache, plays all requests, no bitching and complaining or 'honey-do' lists. Best of all, she leaves when you're done, and comes back when asked. All at 1/7th the cost, and no legal fees.

Sometimes leasing just makes more sense!

When the whole Heidi Fleiss thing came out and Charlie Sheen's name was on the list they had asked him why he does it. He said that he doesn't pay for the women to come to him, he pays to have them leave. A lot cheaper in the long run.

Fredje1961
03-01-09, 18:43
Hi,

I am looking for some herbal remedies, for I have heard that Viagra, Cialis and Levitra have side effects. Is this true? Any experiences. I had slightly high Blood Pressure the last time I saw a doctor.

I am also worried that the girls will talk to each other and the next time I go, I won't get any pussy.

Help me out brothers! you seem very focused on the way your body works, but I don't see anything about your mind.

Maybe you were tired, stressed, thinking of someone else. So many reasons why you can't get a hard on.

Don't panic if this happens once or twice, I'd rather say "welcome to the club".

Tuxsmasher
06-12-09, 18:50
Whats the best country for finding MILFS with best value for buck?

35-50s, preferably in Europe.

Jojosun
08-22-09, 13:49
All over the world you see them lurking outside int arrivals.

One way to avoid them is this site.

www.toandfromtheairport.com

It gives detailed info about fares for transfer to city centres all over the world, taxis, buses, in a very clear and impartial advice.

Start123
09-07-09, 07:19
What would be a good job to get where you would have to travel a lot?

Wonderer2009
11-04-09, 04:28
Just want to get some opinion from the population here. Since the P4P is relatively easy (you put out the cash and. Done! ), the real life relationships seem to be 100's time harder: you have to find the girl, impress the girl, go on dates, watch what you say and the whole nine yards. And usually, the "real life" girl is not gonna be as good in bed as the P4P ones. And after that more effort is needed to maintain the relationship and sometimes (this part I hate the most), you fight over the littlest things.

It just seems to me that the P4P is much straight forward and requires a LOT less effort. If marriage/kids is not the goal, I don't see much value in "real" relationships beyond friendship and companionship. What do you think?

Also, because of the huge difference in "effort", I found myself getting lazier and lazier trying to find a "real life" girl/relationship. Do other people have the same attitude?

Just curious and like to find out what other people think of this and what they are experiencing.

Thanks

Param Ahmad
11-12-09, 09:12
To Wonderer2009's, "Is it too easy?", I suggest reading my essay "Prostitutes are better because..." at http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/paramahmad0/prostitu.htm

To Start123 about the best occupation for "mongering" around the world, consider becoming a flight attendant.

To anyone who doesn't get an erection when he thinks he should or wishes he would like Raphaelduc, I'd suggest just enjoy touching. Psychologist Albert Ellis once remarked that a man can give a woman an orgasm much more effectively with his hand than he can with his penis. And yes, prostitutes do have orgasms with customers. Sometimes. If it's anxiety about how she's going to feel that's keeping you from experiencing an erection, don't worry about it, because if she's in the sex business, she won't mind. If it's your conscience, don't do anything you think you shouldn't: If all you can feel right about doing is talking or touching or hugging, do just that.

Start with some light touching first.

Cybertron
11-23-09, 07:13
Param Ahmad,

Nice article on prostitutes.

How did you come up with that.

All prostitutes want' is money.

Param Ahmad
12-09-09, 05:29
Param Ahmad,

Nice article on prostitutes.

How did you come up with that.

All prostitutes want is money.Thanks for the complement, Cybertron. My article, "Prostitutes are better because. " is entirely my personal observations from my experiences with prostitutes and women who are not prostitutes, I. E., "normal" women. Women who don't care about how much money you have are rare. Therefore, all women, with rare exceptions, are prostitutes to a greater or lesser degree. The extent to which your money or wealth is responsible for her interest in you is the extent to which she is a prostitute, even if she doesn't think of herself as one. The biggest exception to this general rule is young women who have never supported themselves with their own paychecks and haven't yet learned the value of money; it is because of them there is so much denial about the major role a man's money plays in his appeal to women. Women who marry for money are engaging in long term prostitution. The longer she expects to spend with you, the larger a roll non-monetary factors will influence her, one example being age. For example, a 22 or 23 year old at Riviera Club in Castelldefels, Spain, told me as a prostitute she'd have sex with a man of 60 but maybe not 65, but for marriage he couldn't be more than 5 years older than her. Marilyn Monroe spoke the truth as a character in one of her movies when she said "A man having money is like a girl being pretty. " It's hard to overemphasize the importance of a man's money or a woman's looks. Just as it is false to say non-prostitutes don't care about a man's money and how they will benefit from it, it is also false to say prostitutes care only about money. Prostitutes have told me she loves me, ask me to marry her or tell me she'll marry me, or ask me to take her back to the USA with me, and I once had one quit the business and be my exclusive, faithful girlfriend for close to a year (or so she said and as far as I could find out, and I did some sneaking around clubs of the sort where I found her to check). Put yourself in a prostitute's place, that is, imagine yourself as a gigolo: Are you going to feel equally happy being with a customer who is a halfway pretty 30 year old woman who wants to hire you versus some 250 pound ugly, old-looking, 55 year old? It's the same with the girls, I mean, prostitutes: They're going to like. Or even love. Some customers more than others.

Booey
12-19-09, 20:29
Param Ahmad,

Nice article on prostitutes.

How did you come up with that.

All prostitutes want' is money.I will second Cybertron's vote, great article. I have come to the same conclusion myself. Especially since I don't want children, I see no need to get married. Funnily enough, many of my married friends often tell me how lucky I am that I never got married.

As far as intimacy with a Pro, I have some regulars in Thailand that I keep in touch with, as I usually go out there once or twice a year and it is very GFE when we are together. Sometimes much more intimate and caring than some "real' GF's I've had! I do treat them well when we are together (not by overpaying them, don't worry) and I do believe that there is some genuine affection there or at least they're happy that I treat them like a person and with respect. I've generally found that if you treat these girls well you will get it back tenfold. Yet at the same time these ladies know what I am up to when they are not around but they have never intimated in any way that they they think I should only use their services, and yes, I do know what they are up to when I am not around.

Finally, I would like to pass on the URL to your article to some friends, do you mind?

Param Ahmad
12-23-09, 20:32
I will second Cybertron's vote, great article. ... Finally, I would like to pass on the URL to your article to some friends, do you mind?I'm glad you like my essay, "Prostitutes are better because...", and I hope you will tell others about it: http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/paramahmad0/a_index.html

Westy
12-24-09, 17:42
This article, posted by Warbucks, would deserve a chapter all its own:

"The Rosetta Stone of Womens' Behavior"

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The basis is Briffault's Law:


The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.It's not just a monger's problem, as you can C. Not even "the man's problem" or "a human problem. " It's a circumstance that applies to every male and every female of every species on the planet.

The article "Brides Of The State, " cited in this post, is available from the National Men's Council of Ireland. I am not going to cite their Web address, but I believe it's worth Googling. It's a fascinating and rather disquieting read.

Thank you, Warbucks, for bringing Briffault's Law to our attention!

Professor 1
12-24-09, 23:04
What would be a good job to get where you would have to travel a lot?

A foreign service officer assigned to a U.S. embassy abroad. In order to move up, you must rotate duty desks.

Westy
12-27-09, 03:56
Since the P4P is relatively easy (you put out the cash and. Done!), the real life relationships seem to be 100's time harder. Usually, the "real life" girl is not going to be as good in bed as the P4P ones. And after that more effort is needed to maintain the relationship and sometimes (this part I hate the most), you fight over the littlest things.

If marriage/kids is not the goal, I don't see much value in "real" relationships beyond friendship and companionship. What do you think?I got whacked between the eyes with that "problem" last summer; but all my life I've had trouble bridging the gap between "being friends" and "being lovers. " It feels like stepping into a minefield.


Also, because of the huge difference in "effort", I found myself getting lazier and lazier trying to find a "real life" girl/relationship. Do other people have the same attitude?Definitely. Although the label I use for myself isn't "laziness, " it's "terminal discouragement. "

I haven't met any woman who wants my child enough to do something about it. I don't see enough value in having children "of my loins" to put up with the USA "dating scheme". And I wouldn't want to bring a child into this screwed-up world, with a future as dismal as it looks to me.

Is the game worth the candle? To paraphrase another monger's catchphrase, "Is the screwing you'd get worth the screwing you'd get? " Each of us will have to determine that for ourselves. I wish you the best of good luck, finding your own answer.

Gentleman Travel
12-28-09, 21:22
A foreign service officer assigned to a U.S. embassy abroad. In order to move up, you must rotate duty desks.
Maybe, but foreign service officers have to behave themselves if they want to advance. Better to work in a private sector company with overseas operations.

Chocha Monger
12-29-09, 01:17
maybe, but foreign service officers have to behave themselves if they want to advance. better to work in a private sector company with overseas operations.
not really there is one naughty foreign service worker in thailand using combatives to anally [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) bar girls and he faced no recriminations.

Westy
01-01-10, 18:45
Chocha Monger nails the "Marry American" notion with this post.

Any would-be monger who's feeling "the guilts" about it should read this one.

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Gfechaser
03-05-10, 12:52
Just want to get some opinion from the population here. Since the P4P is relatively easy (you put out the cash and. Done! ), the real life relationships seem to be 100's time harder: you have to find the girl, impress the girl, go on dates, watch what you say and the whole nine yards. And usually, the "real life" girl is not gonna be as good in bed as the P4P ones. And after that more effort is needed to maintain the relationship and sometimes (this part I hate the most), you fight over the littlest things.

It just seems to me that the P4P is much straight forward and requires a LOT less effort. If marriage/kids is not the goal, I don't see much value in "real" relationships beyond friendship and companionship. What do you think?

Also, because of the huge difference in "effort", I found myself getting lazier and lazier trying to find a "real life" girl/relationship. Do other people have the same attitude?

Just curious and like to find out what other people think of this and what they are experiencing.

Thanks

I agree wholeheartedly with these statements. I never wanted to get married or have kids. Marriage and relationships are really difficult and my personality does not lend itself well to relationships anyway. I always thought that I was a little weird in this regard as I much rather liked one night stands, but the p4p scene really opened my eyes. Counterintuitively, I have had experienced more honesty, passion, and overall contentment with professional lovers, prostitutes, etc..., And surprisingly the honesty is truly refreshing. I do not know about others but my experience with prostitutes, depending on the girl atleast, seems more genuine and deeper than what I have seen in most relationships. When you can simplify your needs on both sides everyone is much happier.

Johnny Maldiva
04-05-10, 13:38
I'm a fairly average, if not below average looking guy with not the best results when it comes to relationships. I love sex and the shape of a woman's body, but ultimately I do want more than that. However, it's extremely tough for me to find it, so I'm contemplating "buying" a GF when the time is right, if it comes to that. Have any of you had positive experiences with GFs? How about bad experiences? I'd like to find a mutual bond, a connection that's akin to a normal truly loving relationship. I do realise how contradicting the entire scenario is. ;)

Lastly, what separates a GFE from a regular service?

Gentleman Travel
04-06-10, 17:26
I'm a fairly average, if not below average looking guy with not the best results when it comes to relationships. I love sex and the shape of a woman's body, but ultimately I do want more than that. However, it's extremely tough for me to find it, so I'm contemplating "buying" a GF when the time is right, if it comes to that. Have any of you had positive experiences with GFs? How about bad experiences? I'd like to find a mutual bond, a connection that's akin to a normal truly loving relationship. I do realise how contradicting the entire scenario is. ;)

Lastly, what separates a GFE from a regular service?
The definition of a GFE varies considerably amongst mongers here.
Some talk about a GFE within a 30 minute or 60 minute P4P experience.
I guess they are focusing on kissing, DFK and some other non-sexual extras.
To me a GFE has to be a little more than that, like (especially!) not clock-watching, spending the night, maybe doing dinner beforehand, pillow talk, stuff like that.

As for "buying a GF" you can certainly set yourself up a sponsor of a college girl, even in America, for a reasonable price. Whether it is cheaper than using straight P4P depends on what you negotiate and how often you indulge. But if you long for the GFE then sponsoring a mistress may be the answer. The difference between that and a real GF is that your mistress understands that she has to provide great sex every time you meet. But it can still have the warmth and comfort that a straight P4P experience lacks.

Johnny Maldiva
04-07-10, 01:52
The definition of a GFE varies considerably amongst mongers here.

Some talk about a GFE within a 30 minute or 60 minute P4P experience.

I guess they are focusing on kissing, DFK and some other non-sexual extras.

To me a GFE has to be a little more than that, like (especially!) not clock-watching, spending the night, maybe doing dinner beforehand, pillow talk, stuff like that.

As for "buying a GF" you can certainly set yourself up a sponsor of a college girl, even in America, for a reasonable price. Whether it is cheaper than using straight P4P depends on what you negotiate and how often you indulge. But if you long for the GFE then sponsoring a mistress may be the answer. The difference between that and a real GF is that your mistress understands that she has to provide great sex every time you meet. But it can still have the warmth and comfort that a straight P4P experience lacks.Thanks, Gentleman. That's exactly what I'm looking for. The experience of a long-term GF within the P4P environment. Business-like sex is a real turn off. It's those little things like kissing and mental connection that make paying for sex worthwhile.

How does one sponsor a mistress? Is it possible to bring one in from overseas? Any links would be really helpful.

Gentleman Travel
04-07-10, 16:37
Thanks, Gentleman. That's exactly what I'm looking for. The experience of a long-term GF within the P4P environment. Business-like sex is a real turn off. It's those little things like kissing and mental connection that make paying for sex worthwhile.

How does one sponsor a mistress? Is it possible to bring one in from overseas? Any links would be really helpful.
You can find a local girl through Craigslist - just offer some ongoing support or an apartment or something. There are also specific sugar daddy web-sites, but I think that route is pretty expensive.

If you are in the US I think it is not going to be easy to get a visa for an overseas girl (like from Eastern Europe). If there is a visa-free country where you think you can draw a girl from, then that is much easier. But then you will have to support the girl 100% compared with a local girl where you are only paying for lifestyle enhancements.

I have dabbled in importing a girl under an "au pair" program or student visa, but have not made that work yet.

Johnny Maldiva
05-06-10, 09:03
You can find a local girl through Craigslist - just offer some ongoing support or an apartment or something. There are also specific sugar daddy web-sites, but I think that route is pretty expensive.

If you are in the US I think it is not going to be easy to get a visa for an overseas girl (like from Eastern Europe). If there is a visa-free country where you think you can draw a girl from, then that is much easier. But then you will have to support the girl 100% compared with a local girl where you are only paying for lifestyle enhancements.

I have dabbled in importing a girl under an "au pair" program or student visa, but have not made that work yet.

Thanks, GT. Very useful advice. I've been scouring the web for local foreigners in need of support but it's like finding a needle in a haystack. Only a few hits but they got scared off or found something better very quickly. I honestly don't know how to work the dating site game at all and given up there. Everyone seems too legit in wanting to find a husband to spend their lives with, so there's no chance of P4P there with any foreigners. I'll keep plugging away...

I'd really appreciate knowing how you went about looking for a live-in girl, even if you were unsuccessful. Seems my search engine isn't showing the sites for this...

ShadowJ
05-12-10, 14:17
I'm curious because I haven't seen a good comparative post about different countries. For those that enjoy BBFS, which countries are the best? Ultimately, I'd like to find a place where I can get BBFS GFE without traveling all the way to Manila.

1. I know the Philippines is great. HIV is not prevalent and condoms are nonexistent.

2. BBFS is about a 40% proposition in Thailand. But it is pretty dangerous there.

3. Condoms are ubiquitous in Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Amstersam, etc.

4. I've heard no condoms in Cuba but don't know.

Does anybody have other recommendations?

Charlie Horse
05-13-10, 01:00
I'm curious because I haven't seen a good comparative post about different countries. For those that enjoy BBFS, which countries are the best? Ultimately, I'd like to find a place where I can get BBFS GFE without traveling all the way to Manila.

1. I know the Philippines is great. HIV is not prevalent and condoms are nonexistent.

2. BBFS is about a 40% proposition in Thailand. But it is pretty dangerous there.

3. Condoms are ubiquitous in Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Amstersam, etc.

4. I've heard no condoms in Cuba but don't know.

Does anybody have other recommendations?
You might want to do a bit more research

Junior
05-16-10, 11:21
background
it is a dull rainy sunday back in europe so i thought i would try to write down my ”guide to mongering” based on my own experiences of mongering around the world over the last decade or so.

i have mongered mainly in south america, but also in caribbean, africa and asia. i have only visited pattaya a few times in recent years, so i am clearly not a pattaya expert.

my preference is for attractive women between 18-25, who are also good in bed.
back home i am dull and boring business man with little success with my preferred target group of women. i could probably get a nice, dull and boring lady around my own age – but they all seem to come with excess baggage – junk in the trunk, kids, debts….you get my drift. and they rarely look and fuck like a 23yr old.

so i save my money and travel somewhere nice and with available women 3-4 times a year.

when i travel my alter ego, junior, takes over and suddenly i am transformed into real ladies man, who plays the field and play it well.

junior’s guide to mongering

do your research before you go:
•find and write down: places to pick-up ladies, pricing, good restaurants, recommended clubs/brothels etc.
•find and write down some non-mongering activities too
•are there unsafe areas which should be avoided?

if it is your first time visiting a city you should take some days to visit different venues. maybe the best places for you are not the first you visit. if you are only in town for a short stay or on business start with the venues that has the highest recommendations on the web.

know yourself:
•be honest with yourself about what you like in terms of sex, women etc.
odo you want as many girls as possible, or one girlfriend for the entire stay ?
oare certain sexual acts a must? what would be nice optionals?
ohow much are you willing to pay?

with the ladies:
•be in charge: i mean be assertive and take charge, while remaining respectful and polite. let her know that you know what you want and are used to being in charge.
•make a contract: when you have found a lady you like take care of the business side upfront. this includes agreeing on: price, time, location and services rendered. be realistic based on your pre-trip research and offer a fair price based on the requirements you have made.
•avoid ladies who: drink too much, are too aggressive, have poor personal hygiene, are disliked by their peers. too much attitude is also a strong warning sign. too many objections or trying to make a contract which is unfair to you is also a danger sign.
•be respectful of the ladies other commitments and relations with her friends. many ladies are non-pros or semi-pros, they may have to go to school the next day or they may be living at home while keeping their activities from their families. respect that. treat her friends nicely, without spending ridiculous amounts of money buying drinks for everybody.
•be honest with the ladies. do not make promises you either cannot or do not intend to keep.

some people argue for a 3-day rule, ie. do not stay more than 3 days with one lady as this may lead to “feelings/love”. i think this rule is bullocks. i work in the investment industry and there is a saying my line of work “the trend is you friend” – which basically means if something is working stick with it and if something is not working cut your losses quickly. this should be your guideline. if a lady is rocking your world keep her, if not, it is time to move on.

it is your holiday – so have fun

Ziggy00
05-16-10, 18:11
Hello guys:)

I'm an european guy and was just wondering something: if you (north) american guys were living in Europe (I know this sound strange but just imagine), would you dare to go mongering in the Carribean, considering that good P4P is available here too (Spain, german FKK etc) and that fly ticket to the Carribean can be quite expensive for us? I mean, would it be worth? Of course the weather (tropical) is really a plus...the beaches and all the rest (hourly rate for pussy, GFE), but they remain 3rd world countries.

I'm asking this because I'm planning to take a trip to the Carribean:)

I know many of you Americans come here to Europe for mongering, but I'm sure not only for that, there's tons of things to do here and this isn't 3rd world continent lol

Cheers,

Ziggy

Gentleman Travel
05-17-10, 19:09
Hello guys:)

I'm an european guy and was just wondering something: if you (north) american guys were living in Europe (I know this sound strange but just imagine), would you dare to go mongering in the Carribean, considering that good P4P is available here too (Spain, german FKK etc) and that fly ticket to the Carribean can be quite expensive for us? I mean, would it be worth? Of course the weather (tropical) is really a plus...the beaches and all the rest (hourly rate for pussy, GFE), but they remain 3rd world countries.

I'm asking this because I'm planning to take a trip to the Carribean:)
Mongering in "the Caribbean" is like mongering "in Europe" - it depends a hell of a lot on which specific country you are going to! Hunting in Paris is not like hunting in Kiev. Same thing with Bahamas vs Dominican Republic.

Some of these countries have a very strong ethic against girls peddling their asses (except for the poorest outcasts) or are such "small towns" that girls can't play around without everyone knowing. So do your research.

I was recently at a resort in Jamaica and it was virtually impossible to find local tail. Sure I could have gone miles into town and found a hooker, but it was not easy to get any at the hotel. But I hear of other places where you can pick up local girls for a smile and a beer....

CherchezFemme
05-18-10, 03:00
Speaking of AW, I've been pretty frustrated the last month or so. The weather's warm, I'm horny as fuck, I don't want to spend 200-300 on an escort cuz I'm going to Prague soon and I can get 4-5 girls for that price, and I'm getting rejected left and right. I've tried to friend 3 girls on Facebook, all 3 have not even replied, much less friended. 1 I went to HS with, 1 I went to college with, and 1 by large coincidence is friends with 2 other friends. I'm getting ignored by cunts on FB! The HS girl has over 600 friends and I'm getting ignored. WTF! BTW all 3 are in their mid-30s and not married. You'd think they might be just the slightest bit interested, I mean after all they know me, we have things in common, etc.

Then I'm talking to girls on dating sites, and have been flaked on multiple times. Almost every response I get on these sites is form fat/ugly girls. I don't play that.

To make matters worse, there 's 4 girls interested in me, and I don't want to touch any of 'em. Its horrible, I'm living in a world where what I want I can't have, and what I can have I don't want.

Plus I had a date with a gorgeous girl recently, now she's ignoring me.
I go to bars, MILFs and cougars look at me like I'm a weirdo. I'm in my mid-30s and already too old for them I guess.

Here's something I wrote to a HS friend a couple of weeks ago.

" I think I'm looking to settle down, meet a nice girl, have babies. The problem is its not easy meeting girls. Especially here in the city. You go out, you flirt, you get phone #s, or you meet girls online and it rarely leads to anything. If the girls are younger, they're having fun and have a bunch of guys after them. You don't know where they're at, what they're thinking. If they're older....man, older girls, ones our age? They are suspicious, set in their ways and not easy to deal with. Though they may be desperate to get married, they have a checklist and if they can't put an "X" through almost every item on the checklist that bears your name, forget it. I've had great conversations with older girls and as soon as I gave one wrong answer or piece of information, that's it, I was done.

Its ironic: when I was in my early-mid 20s, I was in shape, had a full head of hair but no money, no car and still kind of shy/awkward with the ladies. 10-12 years later I have money, I'm much more confident, experienced, have a car, etc but I'm fat again and balding so I'm still handicapped.

I'm trying not to be bitter about dating because a) I'm still too young for that and b) I'm not a b**ch. But if in a few years things are still rough, I may have to look overseas. "

Mail order bride? I hope not...

CherchezFemme
05-18-10, 03:06
OOC Ziggy, why don't you monger in Europe? Or do you just want a change of scenery?


Hello guys:)
I'm an european guy and was just wondering something: if you (north) american guys were living in Europ
Ziggy

DJ FourMoney
05-18-10, 04:28
Speaking of AW, I've been pretty frustrated the last month or so. The weather's warm, I'm horny as fuck, I don't want to spend 200-300 on an escort cuz I'm going to Prague soon and I can get 4-5 girls for that price, and I'm getting rejected left and right. I've tried to friend 3 girls on Facebook, all 3 have not even replied, much less friended. 1 I went to HS with, 1 I went to college with, and 1 by large coincidence is friends with 2 other friends. I'm getting ignored by cunts on FB! The HS girl has over 600 friends and I'm getting ignored. WTF! BTW all 3 are in their mid-30s and not married. You'd think they might be just the slightest bit interested, I mean after all they know me, we have things in common, etc.

Then I'm talking to girls on dating sites, and have been flaked on multiple times. Almost every response I get on these sites is form fat/ugly girls. I don't play that.

To make matters worse, there 's 4 girls interested in me, and I don't want to touch any of 'em. Its horrible, I'm living in a world where what I want I can't have, and what I can have I don't want.

Plus I had a date with a gorgeous girl recently, now she's ignoring me.
I go to bars, MILFs and cougars look at me like I'm a weirdo. I'm in my mid-30s and already too old for them I guess.

Here's something I wrote to a HS friend a couple of weeks ago.

" I think I'm looking to settle down, meet a nice girl, have babies. The problem is its not easy meeting girls. Especially here in the city. You go out, you flirt, you get phone #s, or you meet girls online and it rarely leads to anything. If the girls are younger, they're having fun and have a bunch of guys after them. You don't know where they're at, what they're thinking. If they're older....man, older girls, ones our age? They are suspicious, set in their ways and not easy to deal with. Though they may be desperate to get married, they have a checklist and if they can't put an "X" through almost every item on the checklist that bears your name, forget it. I've had great conversations with older girls and as soon as I gave one wrong answer or piece of information, that's it, I was done.

Its ironic: when I was in my early-mid 20s, I was in shape, had a full head of hair but no money, no car and still kind of shy/awkward with the ladies. 10-12 years later I have money, I'm much more confident, experienced, have a car, etc but I'm fat again and balding so I'm still handicapped.

I'm trying not to be bitter about dating because a) I'm still too young for that and b) I'm not a b**ch. But if in a few years things are still rough, I may have to look overseas. "

Mail order bride? I hope not...

Well join the club, you can fight weight as man two ways -

1) Work on your wardrobe, there are quite of few famous or kinda famous not so thin men and they make it work for them.

2) PDX90 does work, intensive but fairly short by workout standards. Just follow the guide they give you, go to You Tube there's a community there and very few if any disappointed people.

These can work on FB IF you're the type to have pictures taken. Presentation is everything on the net, its instant gratification but it has its down side as you have seen.

The term "Mail Order Bride" I personally find offensive but I understand why people use it. The difference between here (America/Canada) and there (South America, East Europe, Asia) is that women are motivated to get married and its not fiction.

Your goals are similar to mine and I have experienced much of the same problem. Co-workers are unsuitable, age is a factor in America making only women near your age available to you.

If your over 30 don't even bother with women in America, its just a source of frustration.

Ziggy00
05-18-10, 06:03
OOC Ziggy, why don't you monger in Europe? Or do you just want a change of scenery?Yes, I'd love a change of scenery and am very attracted by tropical environment (and latina chicas!). But the idea of going mongering in a 3rd world country like Dom. Rep. Or Costa Rica scares me a bit, am kind of sensitive (good soul) person and looking at all that poor people, children sleeping on the street and asking you for money. Well that could put me in a bad mood.

That's all I meant.

CherchezFemme
05-19-10, 01:12
Yes, I'd love a change of scenery and am very attracted by tropical environment (and latina chicas!). But the idea of going mongering in a 3rd world country like Dom. Rep. Or Costa Rica scares me a bit, am kind of sensitive (good soul) person and looking at all that poor people, children sleeping on the street and asking you for money. Well that could put me in a bad mood.

That's all I meant.

Costa Rica is great, I didn't see people sleeping on the streets or children begging for $. I highly recommend it.

CherchezFemme
05-19-10, 01:35
Well join the club, you can fight weight as man two ways -

1) Work on your wardrobe, there are quite of few famous or kinda famous not so thin men and they make it work for them.

2) PDX90 does work, intensive but fairly short by workout standards. Just follow the guide they give you, go to You Tube there's a community there and very few if any disappointed people.

These can work on FB IF you're the type to have pictures taken. Presentation is everything on the net, its instant gratification but it has its down side as you have seen.

The term "Mail Order Bride" I personally find offensive but I understand why people use it. The difference between here (America/Canada) and there (South America, East Europe, Asia) is that women are motivated to get married and its not fiction.

Your goals are similar to mine and I have experienced much of the same problem. Co-workers are unsuitable, age is a factor in America making only women near your age available to you.

If your over 30 don't even bother with women in America, its just a source of frustration.

DJ
1- In fact 2 of those 4 girls who I said liked me met me when I was dressed to the nines. 1 of em I had met years ago but she had never noticed me. The other one I had a ONS with but she's fat. I don't play that but it was NYE so I said f#ck it. Anyway its hard to dress up all the time, especially that summers here. But I'm going back to college in the fall and I may have to bite the bullet and be uncomfortable with a dress jacket, nice shoes, button down shirts, maybe a tie, gold watch, etc.

2- Yeah I've started working out again, not seeing much results in terms of fat loss. I have to eat less and have less sweets. I know what to do, I just gotta do it.

3- For FB, my pics are hidden so these 3 girls I friended can only see my profile pic- which btw is me with my favorite porn star after I banged her last year. Not a naughty pic, just me and her w/our arms around each other and smiling. I aint changing my profile pic b/c some biatches are ignoring me.

4- That mail order bride phrase was what I wrote to my friend, believe me I know here ppl are more sophisticated and in fact many ppl on here have mentioned they married or are having families with girls abroad.

5- You think the game changes over 30? I don't know, I've always sucked with girls so I can't accurately say. I think if one is good-looking, in-shape, with a good job they're fine.

I think those suspicious women in their 30s that I wrote about are single b/c their standards are too high and they won't compromise even tho their clock is ticking and they want babies bad.

I tell u what- the guys I know who fit their ideal man would never marry a woman in her 30s unless she was 31, 32 MAX. A guy my age up til about 40-42 who is good looking, who is in shape, who has money, who is funny, smart, confident i.e. everything that women want ain't going for a 35 year old.

Frankly, I won't either. I was a teacher for a long time and most of my colleagues were women so I've known easily 200 women almost all of whom have kids. Many of the ones who had kids in their 20s are still good to go. The ones who had them in their 30s and ESPECIALLY late 30s are all used up and nasty.

But I am interested in the ones I know from HS and college b/c they're f'n hot and I always wanted to bang them.

Middleway
07-22-10, 15:13
junior's guide to mongering

do your research before you go:

• find and write down: places to pick-up ladies, pricing, good restaurants, recommended clubs/brothels etc.

• find and write down some non-mongering activities too

• are there unsafe areas which should be avoided?

if it is your first time visiting a city you should take some days to visit different venues. maybe the best places for you are not the first you visit. if you are only in town for a short stay or on business start with the venues that has the highest recommendations on the web.

know yourself:

• be honest with yourself about what you like in terms of sex, women etc.

• do you want as many girls as possible, or one girlfriend for the entire stay?

• are certain sexual acts a must? what would be nice optionals?

• how much are you willing to pay?

with the ladies:

• be in charge: i mean be assertive and take charge, while remaining respectful and polite. let her know that you know what you want and are used to being in charge.

• make a contract: when you have found a lady you like take care of the business side upfront. this includes agreeing on: price, time, location and services rendered. be realistic based on your pre-trip research and offer a fair price based on the requirements you have made.

• avoid ladies who: drink too much, are too aggressive, have poor personal hygiene, are disliked by their peers. too much attitude is also a strong warning sign. too many objections or trying to make a contract which is unfair to you is also a danger sign.

• be respectful of the ladies other commitments and relations with her friends. many ladies are non-pros or semi-pros, they may have to go to school the next day or they may be living at home while keeping their activities from their families. respect that. treat her friends nicely, without spending ridiculous amounts of money buying drinks for everybody.

• be honest with the ladies. do not make promises you either cannot or do not intend to keep.

some people argue for a 3-day rule, ie. do not stay more than 3 days with one lady as this may lead to "feelings/love". i think this rule is bullocks. i work in the investment industry and there is a saying my line of work "the trend is you friend" – which basically means if something is working stick with it and if something is not working cut your losses quickly. this should be your guideline. if a lady is rocking your world keep her, if not, it is time to move on.

it is your holiday – so have fungood advice!

ReneFunder
08-09-10, 20:35
For the experts: in your opinion, where do I find the tightest pussies. I would guess asian countries - but in your personal experience, where did find the tightest pussy?

Malabo
08-21-10, 05:58
For the experts: in your opinion, where do I find the tightest pussies. I would guess asian countries - but in your personal experience, where did find the tightest pussy?A popular saying is "It's not the length of the barrel,but the strength of the bullet"

In your case it would also be the width of the barrel.

Don't be looking out for tight pussy,channel your energy into finding pussy that gives you a good time & happy memories.

Gentleman Travel
09-08-10, 19:42
Yes, I'd love a change of scenery and am very attracted by tropical environment (and latina chicas!). But the idea of going mongering in a 3rd world country like Dom. Rep. Or Costa Rica scares me a bit, am kind of sensitive (good soul) person and looking at all that poor people, children sleeping on the street and asking you for money. Well that could put me in a bad mood.
If you are still planning your trip, I suggest the Dominican Republic as the best/easiest option.

Lots of Caribbean countries are very stoney ground - too small for the girls to be able to be slutty without everyone knowing, or other cultural barriers. Some, like Haiti, that are too poor and hazardous for your tastes.

I haven't actually mongered in DR, but reading the threads it is obvious that there are options from FKK-like experiences at "all inclusive" resorts, to well established pick up bars, etc. And the cities/resorts sometimes have particular characters to cater to different needs/game levels.

Plus DR should be easy and cheap to get to from Europe, which might not be the case elsewhere.

Smiley Cool
09-12-10, 15:19
Costa Rica is great, I didn't see people sleeping on the streets or children begging for $. I highly recommend it.Daytime is fine. But problem arises at night when walking home or to hotel. Beggers or children can lead to trouble, but it's also the fear that arises when traveling. This is not restricted to any country but a generality. Most tourist places tend to weed out the unhealthy elements that taints a city. but places with sex usually is more seedy.

SCool

IndoAussie
07-12-11, 14:48
But I hear of other places where you can pick up local girls for a smile and a beer.Do you mind enlightening us on those places?

SuperRaven
07-18-11, 03:22
Commandment #11: Always read another forum Forum first!

If Bill Clinton had followed this rule, maybe he would have gone to Downtown AMP to get his rocks off rather than get into trouble with Monica.

Seriously, I have always found another forum to be invaluable, to learn where to go, who to look for, who to avoid, how much to pay, etc. This is obvious advice but is still worth stating.

For example, if you're planning to go to an AMP, always check here first to learn the names of the best girls, especially one who is no longer working there. That way, when you go to an AMP and the mamasan asks you "have you been here before?" you can say,"yes, last time I was with Coco (or whatever the name is)" even though you'd never been there before, they'll think that you're a repeat customer. The mamasan will probably reply "sorry, Coco no work here anymore, I find you nice new girl." I can almost guarantee that you'll have a good session.

Commandment #12: The Korean AMP girls who speak little or no English usually provide better service than the Korean who speaks fluent English.

Commandment #13: A variation of *'s Rule #7. Never be afraid to walk out of a place halfway through a massage if things are going badly, even though you've already paid the $40 house fee. At vthe worst, you'll be out what you already paid to the house, and there's always a chance that the mamasan will give you a full or partial refund, or else try to make things right somehow by switching to a different girl.

Strong support for MeatMan's Rule #1 and *'s Rule #7. Don't ever be afraid to just walk away from a potentially-bad or suspicious situation and try again another day. If your gut tells you that something isn't right, then there is probably is something wrong going on, especially on the streets. Go home and beat off, and remember that tomorrow is another day, and that every year there is a new crop of 18 year old girls just waiting for us!

*

A Respectful Disagreement with Three X. At many (but not all) AMPs, you are usually better off to pay the tip up-front, right after the table shower. Always check first with another forum Forum to find out which AMPs this is true for. For example, at Downtown, Supra and CPHC in Washington, DC, and at Hong Kong and Magic in Waterbury, CT, it is always better to lay 5 jacksons on the table right after the shower, while at New Seoul in Vernon, CT one should always leave a small tip at the end (since it's a HJ-only place).

Reputable places in Houston that have a fixed-price policy (Maria's, Latin Sensation Studio, Lucia's, Escape in Houston, etc.) will require that you pay up front, but screen and train their employees carefully to minimize the chance of a bad session. And in the rare case where you do have a bad session, they will try to rectify any problems you may have afterwards if you let them know that the service was not up to snuff.Thanks,

I have used you methods here in Aus, thanks mate, you correct

Jolle
07-19-11, 18:48
Hi.

Anybody knows where in the world one could find virgin girls?

Alta Reclan
08-05-11, 14:46
Hello,

As I'm a rookie on mongering, I'm also rookie on this forum. I'm a healthy (apart from the problem) young man. I have premature ejaculation problem for 5-6 months. Even past I had this problem but sometimes I could solve it but it did'nt last longer, the problem appeared again and again. I read in forum posts about this problem (also from another sites). Actually I'm in a 7 days trip in which I want to have sex but I have to solve this problem. I'm trying to coming late when masturbating sometimes it works little bit. But it continues in general. My question is about the medicals about this problem. Since I have to solve this problem in days, I want to use some medicals apart from the spreys which I understood makes the penis like a unuseful stick.

Does cialis have treatment effects on this problem? Some posts say it has some post it hasn't.

Like from the internet sources. I'd like to learn your opinions.

And also I heard that there is a medicine called depaxetine (not sure about name) I haven't made.

Search for this on forum due of time. I'd like to know if it works? Does it have bad side effects?

And do you have another solution propositions for the problem?

Thanks in advance

SuperRaven
08-22-11, 05:55
I just wanted to add something:

When ever you go for P4P remember to ask what is included in the price, Can I have. Does this include. This was worked very well for me and I recommend doing it, never choose on appearance or the intro. I know this sounds simple, but when you are horny its all systems go sometimes.

SuperRaven
08-22-11, 05:56
Hi

Was going to PM but I can't, how did you with this issue? Any luck.


Hello,

As I'm a rookie on mongering, I'm also rookie on this forum. I'm a healthy (apart from the problem) young man. I have premature ejaculation problem for 5-6 months. Even past I had this problem but sometimes I could solve it but it did'nt last longer, the problem appeared again and again. I read in forum posts about this problem (also from another sites). Actually I'm in a 7 days trip in which I want to have sex but I have to solve this problem. I'm trying to coming late when masturbating sometimes it works little bit. But it continues in general. My question is about the medicals about this problem. Since I have to solve this problem in days, I want to use some medicals apart from the spreys which I understood makes the penis like a unuseful stick.

Does cialis have treatment effects on this problem? Some posts say it has some post it hasn't.

Like from the internet sources. I'd like to learn your opinions.

And also I heard that there is a medicine called depaxetine (not sure about name) I haven't made.

Search for this on forum due of time. I'd like to know if it works? Does it have bad side effects?

And do you have another solution propositions for the problem?

Thanks in advance

Alta Reclan
09-04-11, 21:06
Hi

Was going to PM but I can't, how did you with this issue? Any luck.Still have the problem. Cialis didn't work, even I couldn't feel any difference for erection too which is not a problem. I couldn't try dapoxetine cause didn't find it.

SuperRaven
09-08-11, 03:28
Sorry to here that, if I find any info I pass it on to you. Happy punting.


Still have the problem. Cialis didn't work, even I couldn't feel any difference for erection too which is not a problem. I couldn't try dapoxetine cause didn't find it.

PinkPearl
11-05-11, 12:57
Is there anywhere else in the world where you can:

1. Pay $40 a night for a hotel in a prime location such that you can.

2. Walk outside to dozens of street walking hookers w / I a 10 minute walk.

3. Or phone ladies to come to your room for only $30 ST, with postpayment.

4. Some being stunners 8-10s, many being above average 6-7. 5, most being doable.

5. And many are willing to BB for a tip, plus.

6. The country is one of the safest in Asia, comparable to Western nations and.

7. There is a world class hospital minutes away where you get service quickly.

8. There are markets 7-11's restaurants, etc nearby, and huge malls w / I minutes by skytrain.

9. Plus you don't need to know any of their lingo.

Let me know if anywhere in the world is like that, or even half as good. I doubt it.

And there are a number of other benefits I didn't even mention.

Philipines is too dangerous.

China, too dangerous and you need to speak the lingo.

Hong Kong, too expensive and lingo issues.

Germany, too expensive.

Brazil, too dangerous

Willy Dee
01-07-12, 10:28
Hi.

Anybody knows where in the world one could find virgin girls?If you are returning to one town several times, put the question to the street. Most working girls come from large families, and have sisters. Instead of these sisters "losing it" in a back alley, tell her hermana that you'd be willing to pay big bucks. Eventually, on one of your trips, they'll bring you the real deal. Just have a fat wallet to match the chubby.

Willy Dee

SingleA
03-24-12, 18:30
Could someone clarify the age of consent laws? I thought women had to be 18 everywhere from reading the reports here.

However I notice that the following table shows ages younger. So does that mean you and have a relationship with women of those ages if they willing come to meet you? Even in the USA I see states with 16. I had no idea, I assumed 18 was everywhere.

I just want to make sure I am always legal.

Any input from the knowledgeable mongers?

http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm

Gentleman Travel
03-30-12, 20:59
Could someone clarify the age of consent laws? I thought women had to be 18 everywhere from reading the reports here.

However I notice that the following table shows ages younger. So does that mean you and have a relationship with women of those ages if they willing come to meet you? Even in the USA I see states with 16. I had no idea, I assumed 18 was everywhere.

I just want to make sure I am always legal.

Any input from the knowledgeable mongers?

http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htmIt is a big world and everyone makes their own laws, so there is no universal age of consent.

In fact in many countries the age varies (sometimes by state) depending on circumstances. Like marriage, sex or age disparity.

That chart you link to looks about right to me.

The "no under 18" rule you refer to here is Jackson's rule for ISG.

Not sure why he choose that magic age, maybe because it is basically safe for any jurisdiction, but this is his forum, so we play by his rules.

Pogostick
04-01-12, 13:08
It is a big world and everyone makes their own laws, so there is no universal age of consent.

In fact in many countries the age varies (sometimes by state) depending on circumstances. Like marriage, sex or age disparity.

That chart you link to looks about right to me.

The "no under 18" rule you refer to here is Jackson's rule for ISG.

Not sure why he choose that magic age, maybe because it is basically safe for any jurisdiction, but this is his forum, so we play by his rules.The letter of the law and the spirit of the law are 2 different things. I was in a state that where the age of consent was 14 or 15. I was talking to a local law enforcement officer and asked him about it. He told me that what they really look at is the age spread between the two parties. If a 21 year old does a 15 year old it would be no problem. If a 40 year old does the same girl, big problem.

I'm 60. I have enough other problems. <G

SwingerLover
04-01-12, 14:04
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Germany, too expensive.It all depends on what you are looking for. I don't think that 90 Euros for an eleven hour bareback group sex party with 10 girls, who you can do as often as you like during that time, along with the other guys of course, is too expensive. (This is a current party announcement for the 3rd of April in Kerpen near Cologne!)

If you want single one-on-one-sessions, perhaps even with some supermodel stunners or pornstars, it could of course get very expensive. To satisfy all the points you laid out in your post at a cheap price may be not possible in Germany. Like I said, it all depends on what you're looking for.

Greetings from Swingerlover

Rubber Nursey
04-18-12, 17:11
Could someone clarify the age of consent laws? I thought women had to be 18 everywhere from reading the reports here.

I just want to make sure I am always legal.

Any input from the knowledgeable mongers?

http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htmJust be aware that in many (most?) countries, the age of consent is irrelevant when it comes to commercial sex. The legal age for prostitution is often 18 or 21, so you could have free sex with a sixteen year old, but be jailed for having sex with the same girl at a brothel. Likewise, you could pay for sex with a 19 year old and be jailed because the legal age for prostitution is 21! The only way to make sure you're 'always legal' is to check out the laws in the country / state you're going to, in advance.

Bguy63
05-19-12, 07:42
Hi,

I could not find a forum for US. I am visiting LA next month and looking for info.

Any suggestions?

Wolvenvacht
05-19-12, 08:24
Could someone clarify the age of consent laws? I thought women had to be 18 everywhere from reading the reports here.

However I notice that the following table shows ages younger. So does that mean you and have a relationship with women of those ages if they willing come to meet you? Even in the USA I see states with 16. I had no idea, I assumed 18 was everywhere.

I just want to make sure I am always legal.

Any input from the knowledgeable mongers?

http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htmAnd don't forget that in many countries, prostitution is illegal, whatever the age of the provider.

SwingerLover
05-19-12, 10:33
Could someone clarify the age of consent laws? I thought women had to be 18 everywhere from reading the reports here.

However I notice that the following table shows ages younger. So does that mean you and have a relationship with women of those ages if they willing come to meet you? Even in the USA I see states with 16. I had no idea, I assumed 18 was everywhere.

I just want to make sure I am always legal.

Any input from the knowledgeable mongers?

http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htmAs far as I know, the legal age for sex in Germany is 16. The age of 14, which is listed in the link you posted, does to my knowledge only apply if both participants are under the age of 18. Prostitution is legal in Germany, but only for people who are 18 or older. Then there's the youth protection law. Amongst other things, you may not give under-18-year-olds access to pornographic material. So, as I understand it, you may pick up a 17-year-old in a disco or whereever and, as long as there's no money envolved, (ergo: no prostitution) you could even gangfuck her with a bunch of buddies, if he consents, but you may not show her a gangbang-pornfilm. Sounds ridiculous, I know; but I think that's the way it is, although I'm not 100% sure. DISCLAIMER: This is no legal advice! I'm not sure if anything I wrote here is correct. I could be wrong! When in doubt, ask a lawyer or the department of justice! I take no responsibility if some or all of what I wrote before should be incorrect or become incorrect!

SwingerLover
05-19-12, 10:37
Hi,

I could not find a forum for US. I am visiting LA next month and looking for info.

Any suggestions?Yes. There is a special guide for the US, aside from ISG. Check the front page, left column, scroll down a bit and you'll see in fat letters "USA Sex Guide". You'll have to register there just as you registered here on ISG.

Bguy63
06-20-12, 17:16
Yes. There is a special guide for the US, aside from ISG. Check the front page, left column, scroll down a bit and you'll see in fat letters "USA Sex Guide". You'll have to register there just as you registered here on ISG.Thank you very much SwingerLover.

I saw this message too late.

Anyway, it is useful info

Montrealer2
08-12-12, 17:53
Hi there,

I am not a rookie, but I have a rookie-sounding question.

Which countries are best-known for the SW scene. Specifically to have outdoor sex with a SW?

I have ALWAYS been fascinated by GOOD-LOOKING thin-shaped hookers in nylons / stockings standing by the side of the road.

I experienced this briefly in Vienna before their new laws got implemented. Had a buffet-style choice of scantily dressed EE girls in their late teens or early 20's. All were thin, tall (with their heels) , wearing make-up and dressed in skirts and pantyhose. I had one in the back of a parking lot behind a rental truck, and another one took me into a private local (in the back of a restaurant). Very kinky.

I've also witnessed gorgeous girls in sexy clothing standing by the side of the highway in Romania near Brasov, but could not partake in the fun. I think they would go into the forest for the session.

I've also heard that Italy and Spain are quite well-known for this.

I would like to plan a trip where I could visit these specific places all in one big trip. And get it out of my system! LOL.

I would like to get your advice and input on the matter.

Thanks

SuperRaven
10-14-12, 10:31
Just wanted to list a few tips, was asked by a fellow punter about a few tips (not saying I am expert) just my views.

My views from girls taken in Thailand, Australia, Singapore, China mainland, Malaysia and Hong Kong.

- freelancer girls never pay first, not matter what they say, if they keep argue kick them out of your room. I get Vietnam girls in Singapore constantly ask for money up front got so sick of them, stopped taking them. You get much better performance if you say you do good for me I give you tip.

- Gris in gogo bars in Thai, set price first up for st or lt, if a lt Gris is sit pull price back to st and let her go.

- in Australia in the hooker shops always ask what's included ad what you can do, because in aus they love doing less or same money as its a set price.

- Hong Kong freelance bar are way over priced better use those HK web site s where you go to condos with red sign on door. All te local HK guys use this, rich expats just over ay at the bars

Just my views

Bguy63
10-14-12, 13:27
Just wanted to list a few tips, was asked by a fellow punter about a few tips (not saying I am expert) just my views.

My views from girls taken in Thailand, Australia, Singapore, China mainland, Malaysia and Hong Kong.

- freelancer girls never pay first, not matter what they say, if they keep argue kick them out of your room. I get Vietnam girls in Singapore constantly ask for money up front got so sick of them, stopped taking them. You get much better performance if you say you do good for me I give you tip.

- Gris in gogo bars in Thai, set price first up for st or lt, if a lt Gris is sit pull price back to st and let her go.

- in Australia in the hooker shops always ask what's included ad what you can do, because in aus they love doing less or same money as its a set price.

- Hong Kong freelance bar are way over priced better use those HK web site s where you go to condos with red sign on door. All te local HK guys use this, rich expats just over ay at the bars

Just my viewsThis is great info. Thank you so much

JayJay28
10-17-12, 16:49
Hi,

Has anyone experiences with these websites also?

http://www.cityoflove.com

http://www.happyescorts.com

There seems to be some hot girls advertising, but I'm wondering if they are fakes or if this would be waste of time? Any experiences so far with this sites?

Greetings,

JJ

DzGermany33
11-20-12, 22:22
Hi everyone,

I'm not really a rookie at mongering any more (even posted a trip report or two) but there's one thing I know nothing about: starting photographing porn, especially soft-core to artistic hard-core porn. I really like the idea of finding a cute girl who I can take MetArt-style photos of, and then fuck, and film that.

Where would I start? Where do you look to find a girl like that? I guess there are two things: countries (I'm based in Estonia right now, no action here at all, but there might be in nearby countries) and if there's a better way than meeting a normal escort and asking if you can take photos. How do the pros find all their models?

Any info you have will be of great interest. Thank you!

SwingerLover
11-21-12, 09:57
The only one I know off hand who is available for film & photo during private sessions is german porn star and Venus-award-winner Melanie Moon. Of course it will not be cheap, film & photo starts at her session-variations from 200 Euros upwards. One can also join her filmed gangbang parties, where they do the filming for around 65 Euros. And it's possible for users of her website to get some filmed action with her too, where the filming is also being done by them.

www.melaniemoon-privatedates.com/service.html

DzGermany33
11-21-12, 11:01
The only one I know off hand who is available for film & photo during private sessions is german porn star and Venus-award-winner Melanie Moon.Thanks SwingerLover. I don't think she's quite what I'm looking for, though. I'm not really after filming a private session, but more starting to make the kind of photoshoots many sites have. How do sites / photographers normally find their models? How does MetArt keep finding so many girls, for example? What are their sources?

EastGoing
11-26-12, 19:49
DZ,

Read Budapest thread and google about Hungarian escorts. Plenty of internet sites with escorts setting prices for modelling and shooting as well as other "normal services". Furthermore, Hungary is main european place for many brands and productions, Rocco Siffredi has moved and established over there many years ago. You probably know about Private Productions and Pierre Woodman, whom I think now has put up his own company, among others.

Private had (I'm not updated anymore) a branch also by San Cugat Del Valles, near Barcelona. When I was there, several years ago, I remember asking every brothel I was visiting if a girl would like to come with me for a casting (you had to supply the girl by yourself, they wouldn't provide at that time) , but couldn't find one, and I must have gone through the whole city in the many months I spent there! I would have liked a lot to be an "actor", even if probably I would have needed some "blue support" at the beginning, since I don't like at all to have other people around, especially men.

This last chapter just to tell you that if you manage to do it, you must give me a chance! Not main actor, just extra will do, I love gloryholes, LOL! And if you hire SwingerLover it will be a success! He's experienced, I read often his reports, I'm a fan of him. I wonder if I might have seen him in some german movies I've watched (gangbangs, bukkakes, etc.). I saved the great map he posted just in case one day I travel to Germany.

Jokes apart, I think also Prague thread could be of help to you, but I haven't read it for long time, since many pornstars are from Czech Republic.

Sorry to read you're having difficulties in Tallinn, I have great memories of that city, once again quite backdated.

Good luck,

Cheers

SwingerLover
11-27-12, 18:45
And if you hire SwingerLover it will be a success! He's experienced, I read often his reports, I'm a fan of him. I wonder if I might have seen him in some german movies I've watched (gangbangs, bukkakes, etc.). I saved the great map he posted just in case one day I travel to Germany.Thanks for the flowers. I'm glad you enjoy my map and my reports. But I have to disappoint you about film footage; as you can deduce from my reports, I have always been able to avoid filmed events until now.

Just keep in mind that most places on my map do not do parties every day! Check websites, ads and the Calendar thread first!

DzGermany33
12-05-12, 10:19
Thanks EastGoing! I'll look into those, Hungary especially since I've never been there. And if I do manage to do it, I'll shoot you a message.

Rodeo9112
12-23-12, 02:56
Sosua, Dominican Republic; it only lacks the malls and high end transportation system. But. Hoes aplenty and even women working in stores, restaurants, etc, are available.


Is there anywhere else in the world where you can:

1. Pay $40 a night for a hotel in a prime location such that you can.

2. Walk outside to dozens of street walking hookers w / I a 10 minute walk.

3. Or phone ladies to come to your room for only $30 ST, with postpayment.

4. Some being stunners 8-10s, many being above average 6-7. 5, most being doable.

5. And many are willing to BB for a tip, plus.

6. The country is one of the safest in Asia, comparable to Western nations and.

7. There is a world class hospital minutes away where you get service quickly.

8. There are markets 7-11's restaurants, etc nearby, and huge malls w / I minutes by skytrain.

9. Plus you don't need to know any of their lingo.

Let me know if anywhere in the world is like that, or even half as good. I doubt it.

And there are a number of other benefits I didn't even mention.

Philipines is too dangerous.

China, too dangerous and you need to speak the lingo.

Hong Kong, too expensive and lingo issues.

Germany, too expensive.

Brazil, too dangerous

NicFrenchy
12-25-12, 08:39
Thanks EastGoing! I'll look into those, Hungary especially since I've never been there. And if I do manage to do it, I'll shoot you a message.Just a piece of advice, if you're going to play up in Budapest, avoid the duos of girl in the Vaci Utca, they will get all of your money and you will not even get to see a titty.

Always use reputable agencies in Budapest.

Bguy63
12-26-12, 01:41
Is there anywhere else in the world where you can:

1. Pay $40 a night for a hotel in a prime location such that you can.

2. Walk outside to dozens of street walking hookers w / I a 10 minute walk.

3. Or phone ladies to come to your room for only $30 ST, with postpayment.

4. Some being stunners 8-10s, many being above average 6-7. 5, most being doable.

5. And many are willing to BB for a tip, plus.

6. The country is one of the safest in Asia, comparable to Western nations and.

7. There is a world class hospital minutes away where you get service quickly.

8. There are markets 7-11's restaurants, etc nearby, and huge malls w / I minutes by skytrain.

9. Plus you don't need to know any of their lingo.

Let me know if anywhere in the world is like that, or even half as good. I doubt it.

And there are a number of other benefits I didn't even mention.

Philipines is too dangerous.

China, too dangerous and you need to speak the lingo.

Hong Kong, too expensive and lingo issues.

Germany, too expensive.

Brazil, too dangerousI agree with PinkPearl except for the 'dangerous' part. Every lace has its dangers. I have heard of a friend who was almost cut to death in Pattaya close to his hotel and he would have died if he wasn't taken to the hospital. That doesn't mean it's the same everywhere Everytime. Just that you are a little careful wherever you are in this world. Regarding Philippines, I would consider it the next best after Thailand. I just had a fantastic experience last night in Cebu. FR will be osted in the relevant place soon

BigAl838
02-05-13, 11:23
hello!

i believe about 10 years ago i read an article in a magazine (either men's journal or maxim, i think) entitled," where women chase men " which was about specific cities in south america where the local women would flock to american male tourists and would " hop in the sack " with them with very little provocation (and not in hopes of getting pregnant by them or getting them to take them back to the us with them).

ten years later i have found myself to be single again and in the position of being owed round trip airfare by an airline to anywhere that they travel to and would like to use it to travel to such a place. would any of you happen to know if any of the following places fit the description of a city where the local women " throw themselves " at american male tourists:

aruba, bermuda, cabo / los cabos (mexico) , cancun, montego bay (jamaica) , nassau (bahamas) , punta cana (dominican republic) , and san juan (puerto rico).

i want you to know that i am definitely not interested in participating in the [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) industry! i find that to be very disgusting! while i am interested in sex tourism, i find the idea of having sex with **** girls who have been forced into the [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) industry against their will to be extremely repulsive and want no part of it!

i would also like to hear some reviews of " campo alegre " in curacao. i just found out about the place and if i read some favorable reviews of it might use my free airfare to fly to aruba and then take a flight from aruba to curacao.

any information or advice you have to offer will be greatly appreciated.

Kute Guy
03-24-13, 17:08
I would also like to hear some reviews of " Campo Alegre " in Curacao. I just found out about the place and if I read some favorable reviews of it might use my free airfare to fly to Aruba and then take a flight from Aruba to Curacao.

Any information or advice you have to offer will be greatly appreciated.What do you want to know about Campo? There are a lot of reviews on here. I have been there and can testify to the beauty of the ladies there but ofcourse its P4P. Not just some women throwing themselves at you. There are some cities in Latin America where the women will chase you. Medellin, Iquitos, etc but you will have to be fluent with Spanish OR be larger than life and be prepared to throw some cash. Practically no one in Latin America speaks English. If you are into ebony women then read my report on Gambia.

If you find a place where latinos throw themselves at you then please let me know. I haven't been lucky enough to have this experience and I LOVE LATINO women and been to pretty much every latin country out there. Nicaragua might be another option too. Wish I liked Asian / oriental women. Thailand / PH / Cambodia they definitely throw themselves at you and give you a GREAT GFE.

Kute Guy
03-24-13, 17:17
Sosua, Dominican Republic; it only lacks the malls and high end transportation system. But. Hoes aplenty and even women working in stores, restaurants, etc, are available.Yes agree. Been there four times already from UK.

I still remember how I was caught off-guard. I had about two hours of time to kill before my flight back home. Shopping around, in 'I am heading back home' mode, mistakenly walk into a small store that sells women's clothes and lingerie. Two hot black female shop assistants. They look at each other and then me and ask me to come to the back for a quickie. I was dumbfounded. Politely declined and left the shop. But I wish I had gone for it!

Rio D
05-31-13, 17:56
I want you to know that I am definitely NOT interested in participating in the [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) industry!There is no actual "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) industry" that exploits young females. That is a lie started in recent years by NGO's and charity groups who used false statistics in order to generate sympathy and produce more donations for their organizations. Unfortunately, some feminist groups began to use the same false statistics to help spread the myth, and to further their anti-male crusade. You only need to read the thousands of accounts from the men who post on this site, from locations worldwide. That is the only valid research out there,"mongers" who have no agenda, simply recounting what they have seen and experienced. There are no reports from anyone, anywhere, of seeing large-scale "sexual exploitation", or of females held against their will.

NewImage
11-14-15, 02:53
Question:

What are my options for an Asian mongering holiday in June / July.

Lots of destinations = heavy rain, Vietnam = blazing sun.

Prefer a Indonesian, Malaysian, Thailand type destination.

Or do I just bite the bullet and put up with weather / conditions?

Experienced mongering travelers. Where have you gone at these times?

Thanks

Rio D
01-01-16, 23:26
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/travel/how-to-pick-a-cellphone-plan-for-traveling-abroad.html

Momochan
04-24-16, 19:24
Hi guys,

I am an Indian guy living in London, England and in late 30's and married. I never ever frequented call girls before but as I am getting older and wife is getting less horny so my sexual needs are not being met hence this post.

I just found this site yesterday and after perusing it I have narrowed my choices for a few days holiday for cheap hookers to Prague or Sofia, the reasons for above is cheap flights from London and cheap accommodation etc.

So my questions are these.

1. Racism. I ask this because of the latest onslaught of Muslim sexual assaults in Europe in the media, how are tourist who are brown treated? Will the girls go with me regardless of Colour / Creed?

2. Corruption. How is the level of corruption there? Would I get extorted by the local police / mafia?

Any help / advice would be appreciated, I am not working at the moment so could go at short notice so a wingman would not go amiss.

P.S. I am lot loaded so that is why looking for cheap European destinations.

DoctorKlar
04-24-16, 20:32
Hi guys,

I am an Indian guy living in London, England and in late 30's and married. I never ever frequented call girls before but as I am getting older and wife is getting less horny so my sexual needs are not being met hence this post.

I just found this site yesterday and after perusing it I have narrowed my choices for a few days holiday for cheap hookers to Prague or Sofia, the reasons for above is cheap flights from London and cheap accommodation etc..I regret to inform you that you chose crappy European destinations for your first recreational trip if your principal goal was as stated. The cities you chose are both fine from a tourism standpoint but not for what you are seeking.

For Europe, you should have been reading the following threads instead:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?275-Germany-FKK-Clubs

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?171-Austria

And possibly the clubs in Spain as well (Barcelona and Madrid) but only after you've tried at least on of the above two choices.

Consider changing your flight to Frankfurt or Vienna and visit some FKK clubs. Even if you spend more on your plane ticket, you will save tons of money because the girl prices in Germany are cheaper than the other European options. Plus, in these destinations, you will experience no significant discrimination and you won't have to worry about any corruption / mafia. From a racism and corruption standpoint, it will be sort of like you are in London, but much, much cheaper.

Sly One
04-25-16, 00:03
Hi guys,

I am in late 30's and married. I never ever frequented call girls before but as I am getting older and wife is getting less horny so my sexual needs are not being met hence this post.Welcome to married life son. The bad news is problem doesn't get better just worse and less even less horniness over time.

Also why do you think the rest of us guys are are here? Because are wives are sexy and keep us satisfied? LOL.

Good luck in your quest.

Sly

TellAll
04-25-16, 08:28
Hi guys,

I am an Indian guy living in London, England and in late 30's and married. I never ever frequented call girls before but as I am getting older and wife is getting less horny so my sexual needs are not being met hence this post.

I just found this site yesterday and after perusing it I have narrowed my choices for a few days holiday for cheap hookers to Prague or Sofia, the reasons for above is cheap flights from London and cheap accommodation etc.

So my questions are these.

1. Racism. I ask this because of the latest onslaught of Muslim sexual assaults in Europe in the media, how are tourist who are brown treated? Will the girls go with me regardless of Colour / Creed?

2. Corruption. How is the level of corruption there? Would I get extorted by the local police / mafia?

Any help / advice would be appreciated, I am not working at the moment so could go at short notice so a wingman would not go amiss.

P.S. I am lot loaded so that is why looking for cheap European destinations.Before you hit any destination, you should consider dumping the wife that isn't fucking you. Why endure more years of that.

Dump her and then build up your monger fund without the dead weight.

Momochan
04-25-16, 17:50
Before you hit any destination, you should consider dumping the wife that isn't fucking you. Why endure more years of that.

Dump her and then build up your monger fund without the dead weight.Problem is I come from a traditional family so divorcing is a big no no also I have a young boy so don't want to hurt him by leaving "yet".

Guy93
04-27-16, 09:30
Don't know where to put this, but I really like Kimi Raikkonen and I think I could manage to look like him in his young days with some heavy changes on my face, hair, losing weight, etc. Of course I still wouldn't be able to look like him, but I guess I would be somewhere close.

And we share some interests and I think I could manage to speak like him.

So do you think this would attract girls outside in P4P world? Remember the fact I still wouldn't be F1 champion or have lots of money or be able to move away from Finland yet.

Wolvenvacht
04-27-16, 19:20
Don't know where to put this, but I really like Kimi Raikkonen and I think I could manage to look like him in his young days with some heavy changes on my face, hair, losing weight, etc. Of course I still wouldn't be able to look like him, but I guess I would be somewhere close.

And we share some interests and I think I could manage to speak like him.

So do you think this would attract girls outside in P4P world? Remember the fact I still wouldn't be F1 champion or have lots of money or be able to move away from Finland yet.As this is a forum about paid sex, your question if you will have success outside in the *real* world is unlikely to be answered here. Why don't you ask that question on any forum where women hang out?

If you want to know if P4 P girls will like you, the answer is yes, provided your wallet bears a good resemblance to Kimi's wallet. .

Tiny 12
04-27-16, 19:32
Hi guys,

I am an Indian guy living in London, England and in late 30's and married. I never ever frequented call girls before but as I am getting older and wife is getting less horny so my sexual needs are not being met hence this post.

I just found this site yesterday and after perusing it I have narrowed my choices for a few days holiday for cheap hookers to Prague or Sofia, the reasons for above is cheap flights from London and cheap accommodation etc.

So my questions are these.

1. Racism. I ask this because of the latest onslaught of Muslim sexual assaults in Europe in the media, how are tourist who are brown treated? Will the girls go with me regardless of Colour / Creed?

2. Corruption. How is the level of corruption there? Would I get extorted by the local police / mafia?

Any help / advice would be appreciated, I am not working at the moment so could go at short notice so a wingman would not go amiss.

P.S. I am lot loaded so that is why looking for cheap European destinations.Given the nature of your problem, it would be cheaper, once you factor in travel expense and lost time from work, and more convenient to see providers in London. There are affordable options. See www.adultwork.com for provider listings, for example. There are also review sites specific to the UK. You can find those through search, or pay for a membership here and someone will surely send you some links via PM. (It's against the rules of this forum to name competing sites.)

And be aware of the risks of getting and transmitting something to your significant other. If you always properly use condoms, you'll cut down the risks substantially, although herpes and HPV would still be potential risks.

Guy93
04-28-16, 01:30
Hi Wolvenvacht, I think you are right. Thanks for the answer.

NewImage
05-16-17, 08:11
Ok. Pretty experienced SEA punter. Wanting to try black / ebony girls but not sure of my response to them. Very difficult in Oz to meet and test run (if you now what I mean).

Have heard they are horny as fuck.

My problem is where to go? - have thought of Africa but such a long way and if my response is poor then partial waste of $$.

Thought of Sth Pacific Islands. Guam, Solomon, Vanuatu etc but looks are a bit sketchy.

US. Too far.

Thought might go to Bangkok for test run with dark girls there but been there before and what I saw wasn't doable.

Any advice? Experience re these locations esp Sth Pacif. Which would appear best nearest option.

Stero320
06-05-17, 15:38
Kind of weird question comes to my head, but I want to book a night with a girl in her place. I know what we can do for this time, but let's say we are tired after few hours, it is like 2 AM and do we sleep together and I leave her after waking up or sleeping with a customer is not included?

Thanks for help.

Macron
05-29-20, 14:18
Kind of weird question comes to my head, but I want to book a night with a girl in her place. I know what we can do for this time, but let's say we are tired after few hours, it is like 2 AM and do we sleep together and I leave her after waking up or sleeping with a customer is not included?

Thanks for help.Generally sleeping with a customer is the only thing which makes most girls agree for a full nighter in most of the cases say 80 Percent. No one is a sex machine and can go on and on for whole full night until you and the girl are high on performance enhancing drugs.

Radar99
05-30-20, 05:40
Generally sleeping with a customer is the only thing which makes most girls agree for a full nighter in most of the cases say 80 Percent. No one is a sex machine and can go on and on for whole full night until you and the girl are high on performance enhancing drugs.Most of the girls promise full night but fall asleep after 2 o clock. Also some would pretend to be sleepy and won't cooperate.

Macron
05-30-20, 17:18
Most of the girls promise full night but fall asleep after 2 o clock. Also some would pretend to be sleepy and won't cooperate.In reality the normal bodies of humans tend to be the less active after 3 o clock in the night. The metabolic levels are it's least level as well as the sensory levels as well as the conscious state of the mind. So I don't know how can someone go all night without taking a break, so they need breaks but again what's the sense of having full night.

Mongerer88
05-30-20, 20:06
In reality the normal bodies of humans tend to be the less active after 3 o clock in the night. The metabolic levels are it's least level as well as the sensory levels as well as the conscious state of the mind. So I don't know how can someone go all night without taking a break, so they need breaks but again what's the sense of having full night.In many parts of the USA, Los Angeles's Koreatown in particular, Korean girls see customers in apartments in big complexes. Sometimes it is where they actually live, sometimes several ladies share an apartment used as a trick pad. You have to give some screening information to assure them you are not a cop. I had some fantastic experiences seeing a Korean lady in L. A, who was a big-time squirter. She left the scene, unfortunately.

Radar99
05-31-20, 03:04
In reality the normal bodies of humans tend to be the less active after 3 o clock in the night. The metabolic levels are it's least level as well as the sensory levels as well as the conscious state of the mind. So I don't know how can someone go all night without taking a break, so they need breaks but again what's the sense of having full night.Most of the guys don't understand that, it's better to go for full day rather than night. It's makes more sense.

Macron
06-01-20, 03:09
Most of the guys don't understand that, it's better to go for full day rather than night. It's makes more sense.Yes that will save money and also the session will me more meaningful and worth.