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Dire Wolf
Great report and the ultimate nampa score rewards your persistence
I remember one girl who kept asking each time we met.
"How many sex friends do you have?"
my reply was always, "many, but you are ichi ban"
she was always happy with that.
You have laid out the ground rules nicely, now it is how long can you keep both of you happy.

[Jesterl]

I was able to go to a good happening bar in osaka called club dc. i was lucky to find a girl that was into that? We went to a couple places before, but "no gaijin", guess j-dudes are self-concious of the gaijin dick.

Anyway, is it common for j-girls to go for this stuff?

Are there any places to go and meet girls in an environment like this as opposed to bringing your own? Bringing your own was the only way to hook up as it was only between couples.


So I have this older woman FB that I meet up with once or twice a month. We were supposed to go to a happening bar tonight, but she had to back out since her husband got sick and she has to go home and actually be a wife. However next week, she promises "I do anything to make it up to you."

That's way too good of an offer.

The one thing I really want to do is go to the hap bar, but we're doing that anyway so I can't really claim it. I thought about asking if she has any cute female friends who wouldn't mind joining us, but I don't know if she does, or if she's into it.

I gotta think up something. Why am I stumped here?

[Gaienmae08]

For the accomplished nanpa artists out there not a noteworthy event, but for someone who recently escaped a debilitating decade-long relationship with his self-confidence somewhere beneath the bowels of the Oedo Line, it's something to write home about ('cept of course I won't, because I'd be villified as a Charisma Man, so I'll bore you lot instead).

Takeout from an "International Party", that evening ended with some intense hand-holding in a romantic basement bar known as "The Hub", but the follow-up date fetched up in some random karaoke joint with the default karaoke program running while much more intense international negotiations were conducted. I will admit that the treaty was not ratified, so to speak, due to mundane logistical reasons, but a further round of negotiations in a more refined atmosphere is a matter of days.

28, not a head-turner by any means, but nice enough face and the chemistry just clicked. Healthy interest in sex, demure but not shy, haven't detected any signs of pyscho-weirdness; standard issue J-tits (but very much enjoys having them attended to) and nice body (slim but not thin), I suspect there's even a nice pair of buttocks in there.

Interesting tactical note: I speak pretty damn fluent Japanese, which seems to have been my undoing during past attempts (great for fascinating conversations though.); this time I stuck to English (she speaks it well enough not to cause me to switch to Japanese in frustration), seems to have been a good move.

[Dire Wolf98]

guess j-dudes are self-concious of the gaijin dick.
Not necessarily. J-dudes who are owners and/or managers of those places are more concerned with gaijin misbehavior than anything else. Don't be so 生意気 (なまいき ) namiaki!

Are there any places to go and meet girls in an environment like this as opposed to bringing your own? Bringing your own was the only way to hook up as it was only between couples.
Yes, please see the recent report by Gaienmae08:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=749930&postcount=753

There are frequent international parties in Tokyo. There have to be some in Osaka too.

[AussieGaigin]

Here is a website for one organiser of these parties:

http://www.kokusaika.org/

They have an email notification system.


Others might be found in magazines such as Metropolis.

I have had a small amount of success at these parties as a casual visitor to Tokyo, I think some one who is resident there could do better. Not surprisingly the same core group of girls seem to turn up at all of them.

[Azure Knight]

This had to be a dream . . .
Very nice! I do allright for myself, but reading stuff like this makes me insanely jealous. There's a part 3 right? Looking forward to it!

[Azure Knight]

I was able to go to a good happening bar in osaka called club dc. i was lucky to find a girl that was into that? We went to a couple places before, but "no gaijin", guess j-dudes are self-concious of the gaijin dick.

Anyway, is it common for j-girls to go for this stuff?

Are there any places to go and meet girls in an environment like this as opposed to bringing your own? Bringing your own was the only way to hook up as it was only between couples.
I wouldn't say common...maybe that they're more open to it than we'd expect. It helps though if its a casual relationship, or she's into the idea of voyeurism and/or partner swapping. I'm sure you can get more than a fair share of girls to go on the premise of "we'll just look and do our own thing", but once they are in the environment and a little alcohol is running through their veins a lot of the restraint just melts away.

There are happening bars that accept single guys. Most of the places in Osaka, it seems like you've got to sign up and get the OK beforehand, you can't just drop by unannounced. As I understand it though, its far better to go with a girl, as the single guys just end up standing on the sidelines watching as the couples go at it.

Do tell more about your experience though - do you remember which places didn't accept you? How about what went down inside?

With any luck I'll be able to go this week...here's hoping yet another random thing doesn't come up and kill my plans.

[Azure Knight]

Interesting tactical note: I speak pretty damn fluent Japanese, which seems to have been my undoing during past attempts (great for fascinating conversations though.); this time I stuck to English (she speaks it well enough not to cause me to switch to Japanese in frustration), seems to have been a good move.
While I agree with you in theory, it just depends on the situation/girl.

There are a lot of girls out there who are willing to trade some tail for free English lessons. These girls are the easiest to bag, because they usually already speak some English, and are actively looking for you. If you try to speak Japanese to them, they'll lose interest. After all, the unspoken deal is tail for English, and you aren't holding up your end.

From there, it just depends. The no Japanese/only English angle can work from the position of you being an exotic mysterious foreigner, and she gets swept up in the excitement of it all. But then, she's gotta be the type of girl who can just get lost in the moment like that. Speaking Japanese can really take all the mystery and excitement out of the broken English-Japanese conversations...now that you can actually communicate, she realizes how incompatible you both really are! If you're going to speak in Japanese, you lose the mysterious foreigner angle somewhat so you can't rely on it - gotta work on charming the girl the old fashioned way. If you've got a girl who needs some sort of emotional attachment first, then Japanese helps a whole lot.

[Dire Wolf98]

While I agree with you in theory, it just depends on the situation/girl.

There are a lot of girls out there who are willing to trade some tail for free English lessons. These girls are the easiest to bag, because they usually already speak some English, and are actively looking for you. If you try to speak Japanese to them, they'll lose interest. After all, the unspoken deal is tail for English, and you aren't holding up your end.

From there, it just depends. The no Japanese/only English angle can work from the position of you being an exotic mysterious foreigner, and she gets swept up in the excitement of it all. (snip)

Azure Knight -- I agree with your points. It all depends upon the situation and the girl. Within the field of marketing, this is referred to as Target Marketing.

However, regarding your point: "There are a lot of girls out there who are willing to trade some tail for free English lessons," IMHO, English lessons or language excahnge are just pre-texts/excuses. It's a polite J-Girl way of creating a cover story, and/or a socially-acceptable framework, for their interest in sex.

As Nampa practitioners, you need to be familiar with your target audience. There are some J-Girls who want to experience the mystery of dating a non-Japanese guy. They will have sex with some foreigners until they marry a Japanese guy. Other J-Girls want to date (and marry) a foreign guy because of the various doors it opens. They don't want to live in a tiny apartment or house in Saitama -- they want to break free.

Speaking Japanese could have the following effect:

* For J-Girls seeking mystery, they will quickly thrust you into the category of the "henna gaijin misfit" who can't get a gf in his home country. Avoid speaking Japanese with this crowd.

* For other J-Girls seeking diverse experiences, they will categorize you as an adventurous guy with global experiences and intellectual talent (multi-lingual). They want to travel with you to NY/LA/SF/Chicago/Boston/London. They want to go on weekend trips with you to Hong Kong, Taipei or Seoul. They don't want to go to Guam (aka Poor Man's Hawaii). They want to dine with a guy who can match excellent wines with dinner. In the bedroom, they want to be able to discuss certain activities in Japanese.

I most confess my ignorance on one point – several of you keep using the phrase “happening bar.” At first, I thought it was simply a bar that was popular. However, it seems to imply something much more than popularity. Please enlighten me.

[Azure Knight]

However, regarding your point: "There are a lot of girls out there who are willing to trade some tail for free English lessons," IMHO, English lessons or language excahnge are just pre-texts/excuses. It's a polite J-Girl way of creating a cover story, and/or a socially-acceptable framework, for their interest in sex.
There's that, yeah. There are girls who do exchange sex for English lessons though - I've seen a few guys get burned by this. They're excited to take their new Japanese girlfriend out on a date, but can't help but to notice that she's always bringing her English textbook along...

A lot of women also use us for affairs. We foreigners are usually more attentive and available than Japanese guys. Plus, since we're so far removed from Japanese society and her social circle, she can keep her secret safe.


I most confess my ignorance on one point – several of you keep using the phrase “happening bar.” At first, I thought it was simply a bar that was popular. However, it seems to imply something much more than popularity. Please enlighten me.
A happening bar, or couple's cafe, are just swinger bars. Couples cafe's may only admit couples, or maybe couples and single girls. Happening bars may allow for single guys. Hopefully I can tell you more about the inner workings of one later this week (keeps fingers crossed).

[Nampa Guy]

A happening bar, or couple's cafe, are just swinger bars. Couples cafe's may only admit couples, or maybe couples and single girls. Happening bars may allow for single guys. Hopefully I can tell you more about the inner workings of one later this week (keeps fingers crossed).

I can help a bit with Happening bar scene. I have actually taken J girls there on a first or second date with good success.
One idea for the newbie participant is to make it look like an adventure and a place to spectator. You are really “too shy” to participate but lets “go watch”, especially the SM or rope tying. You would be surprised how many girls are fascinated with this. I actually met a J guy in a happening bar who was paid by J women to introduce them to this scene and escort them safely thru it. He was in control and actually offered his tied up girl to me if I wanted. Both times that I took dates to happening bars on a first date I either got BJ or laid in the place. One time in the office of the tencho. (long story). The other girls I took that were further into the relationship knew what they were getting into and prepared for it by getting cute pants and drinking energy drinks, etc. There was kind of a show off, lets look around mentality. You should know that the quality of places varies greatly and every place can have an off night. I would not go there without a date and be prepared to be the show. But it can be a good Nampa ploy and is not that expensive if you have a membership for yourself already.
I am interested to hear about the Osaka HB scene.

[Gaienmae08]

Here is a website for one organiser of these parties:

http://www.kokusaika.org/

They have an email notification system.I've been to a couple of events organized by them and they have a pretty good atmosphere - if they say they're providing food, it's proper food, and all-you-can-drink involves proper beer (Asahi) etc. rather than being fobbed off with soda in plastic cups.


Others might be found in magazines such as Metropolis.

I have had a small amount of success at these parties as a casual visitor to Tokyo, I think some one who is resident there could do better. Not surprisingly the same core group of girls seem to turn up at all of them.I've been doing the rounds recently, went to a couple in Shibuya and was impressed by neither from a value-for-money point of view (2 - 3k yen); one didn't even have beer, and the other ran out of warm happoshu about halfway through. The demographic is pretty much the same; Western Woman is always almost totally absent, but under-25 J-Cuties are also fairly rare on the ground (not a problem for me personally). Fairly large proportion of Japanese of both genders who really do seem to be there for the "international exchange" aspect and will bore you to death with questions about your home country. I am developing a technique which involves talking on auto-pilot to these people about my amazing ability to eat raw fish while slowly backing away on a trajectory which will have me accidentally colliding with a pre-selected target.

Of the half-dozen I've been to, three have lead to follow-up dates, the other times I've usually ended up going drinking with an interesting variety of people (of the sort who don't give a damn whether I can eat natto or not) afterwards.

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[Dire Wolf98]

(snip) Plus, since we're so far removed from Japanese society and her social circle, she can keep her secret safe. (snip)I can verify this -- I have first-hand experience.

btw, good luck in your planned future visit to a happening bar.

[Dire Wolf98]

"You don't bring your wife to Bali; you bring your 19-year-old girlfriend."

-- A popular Japanese male saying

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J-Girls are different. Yea, I know, call the Wall Street Journal, stop the presses and change the headlines on Page One.

J-Girls have a special place in the world as they possess numerous subtle, as well as obvious, positive points. Charms that immediately come to mind include poise, grace and elegance. At the same time, flat-out attractiveness can't be discounted. One major reason why scans of J-Girls flood the Internet: Japan has an impressive number of attractive girls. IMHO, Japan leads the G7 in attractive women per capita.

Some J-Girls have no problems dating, or having flings with, older men. Buddhism and traditional Confucian values cultivate and contribute to this phenomenon. Also, numerous TV shows, movies and commercials reinforce this view by portraying 40-something and 50-something husbands with wives in their early 20s. Some TV shows also feature 40-something and 50-something married men with secret girlfriends in the 19-to-25 year-old range.

The expense of real estate forces single men to live with their parents until marriage. Therefore, many J-Girls believe that older married men tend to more be worldly and sophisticated. A certain percentage of J-Girls assume that older successful men, married or single, will pursue younger girls. Men who succeed in the business world will want to succeed in attracting young girlfriends, many J-Girls believe.

All these factors help to stack the deck in favor of older men, Japanese or foreign.

Let's get back to talking about Keiko.

As I said before, from the time of our first sexual encounter, things only got better. When I was with her, I seemed to have boundless energy and desire.

On numerous occasions, Keiko tested me to see if I was only interested in sex (as per the Ground Rules she established during our first date). For example, we would go out to lunch or coffee or for a walk in Ueno Park. Officially, sex wouldn't be on the menu. However, all it would take is one eye-to-eye glance or for me to hold Keiko's hand a certain way and then she would often ask me if I wanted to go to a Love Hotel.

Still, things seemed too good. I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop and discover some deep dark secret, such as blackmail, a criminal background, extremist religious or political affiliations or something odd. Nothing.

For Keiko's 22nd birthday, I gave her a silk Chanel scarf. She really liked it and immediately demonstrated her appreciation (we were in a Love Hotel at the time).

One week later, Keiko brought me to a stationary store. She asked me to look at the nicer selection of pens. When I found one I liked, she grabbed an identical pen and bought both: one for her and one for me. Keiko said the pens were discreet items that we could both use in our daily lives and they would represent our special bond. We could think about each other when we use those pens and it wasn't an obvious gift that would make my wife suspicious.

Eventually, I discovered another minor flaw: Keiko sometimes has problems with her complexion when she experiences periods of intense stress (mostly job related). Not a problem.

As is the case with some girls her age, Keiko changed jobs a few times (which was stressful) during which time she worked at a few different boutiques in Shibuya (the Japanese Mecca for casual 20-something fashion). Eventually, she found something she really enjoyed: Fitness Instructor at a very popular Tokyo chain of health clubs.

At the health club, she started-out as a Weight-Training Instructor. After Keiko earned a promotion, she became an Aerobics Instructor. Keiko has the type of body that must make the J-Girls who belong to her health club say to themselves, "I want to look like Keiko-sensei!"

Keiko also continued to play basketball with her high school team; she functions as some sort of a graduate advisor. Sometimes when we were together, she would apologize for the bruises she received during basketball practice sessions. I assured her that it was okay, but I never mentioned that her Badges Of Courage turned me on.

Sometimes when we'd meet, we'd go straight to a Love Hotel. Other times we met for lunch, coffee or walks in the park -- often, the both of us would become so turned-on that we would have to go to the nearest Love Hotel any way. Keiko was perfect.

Many times she would phone me on her lunch hour: "Hi! I am shopping with a friend. She is helping me pick-out some lingerie that I will wear the next time we meet;" or "Hi! I'm thinking about what I want to do to you the next time we get together . . . "

The sensuous calls and e-mails continued. Demographically and geographically, we lived in very separate parts of Tokyo – that minimized the danger factor. She remained sweet and discreet; and she constantly looked for new ways to make me happy. I tried my best to reciprocate.

I have to assume that Keiko is too tall for most Japanese guys, which made me a good match for her. Still, I went to great lengths to try to make her feel smaller and cute, including patting her head and calling her "Chisaina Keiko-chan." I also begged her to allow me to pick her up off the ground and hug her [known in Japanese as "dakko"]. It's a common request made by cute petite J-Girls to their Japanese boyfriends. She repeatedly protested that she was too big/heavy. Keiko finally let me do that after our 20th sexual encounter. It was fun – I picked her up and she wrapped her legs around my waist.

Eventually, I began to have thoughts that are very dangerous for married men.

I started to fantasize about how our DNA might match and what kind of tall, athletic, attractive combinations it would produce. I wanted to attend her basketball practices and see if I could help her team. I wanted to play one-on-one with her. Post-up on me, Baby!

I started to fantasize about bringing her to formal events in Tokyo: me in my Tux and Keiko in a Neiman Marcus hot black cocktail dress that I would buy for her. I wanted to bring her to parties at the American Embassy. I wanted to bring her to the pool, and be seen poolside, at the Tokyo American Club. Hell, I wanted to be seen with her poolside at the Four Seasons Resort in Bali (Jimbaran Bay).

I felt like I owned a Lamborghini Countach and no one could see me driving it. It was a secret I had to keep from most of my friends in Tokyo and NY, although I know their jaws would drop if they met her. Then again, I think jaws would drop if I walked with Keiko through Soi Cowboy in Bangkok, cool bars in Manhattan (such as Bryant Park, Luna Park or Pastis) or the nicer beaches of SoCal.

Meanwhile, Keiko experienced a bump in the road with one of her friends from high school.

Keiko repeatedly updated her friend, Chieko, on numerous details of our relationship. Chieko, who didn't have a boyfriend at that time, begged Keiko for an opportunity to meet me. Keiko distrusted Chieko's motives and they reportedly had several arguments. Chieko probably felt that as long as I'm married, she might as well have some fun too. I suspect that Chieko wanted to secretly slip her phone number to me.

Apparently, Chieko became relentless with her requests. One day while sitting in a coffee shop in Shibuya, Keiko asked me if I wanted to meet Chieko. I told her the truth: I didn't want to meet Chieko because I wanted Keiko to be my only secret girlfriend. Still, I added, I would meet Chieko ONLY if Keiko wanted me to, but that Keiko would remain my one and only secret girlfriend. Keiko grabbed the check, grabbed me by the hand and walked me to the nearest Love Hotel.

Things were great and could have continued for years. But many good things come to an end, as in the movie "9 1/2 Weeks."

I had to part ways with my firm in Tokyo and fly back to the U.S. to start a North American job search. Whenever I returned to Tokyo, we managed to meet at least once or twice each trip.

Since the time I left Japan and officially relocated back to the US, I experienced serious employment turbulence. As a result, I have had few opportunities to return to Tokyo. Earlier this year, I visited Tokyo for business for the first time in several years. Prior to my trip, I sent numerous e-mails and left numerous voice mail messages. No reply from Keiko. It's understandable because too much time passed between visits. That ship has sailed, which is a bummer.

I still have those incredible memories.

I miss Tokyo.

I miss Keiko.

I still have the pen that she bought for me.

[Lion]

I still have those incredible memories.

I miss Tokyo.

I miss Keiko.

I still have the pen that she bought for me.

Great story, even with the melancholy.
Thought about writing a book or movie script?

But the bottom line (for anyone who doesn't know it yet), is the better your GF-on-the-side becomes the more dangerous it becomes for your other life, and the more hurt it will cause when (not if, but when) the other shoe drops.


The harder they come, the harder they fall, one and all
-Bob Marley

[Dire Wolf98]

(snip) But the bottom line (for anyone who doesn't know it yet), is the better your GF-on-the-side becomes the more dangerous it becomes for your other life, and the more hurt it will cause when (not if, but when) the other shoe drops.

The harder they come, the harder they fall, one and all
-Bob Marley Yes, a secret GF situation can be very dangerous. A loose canon could cause problems. Luckily, Keiko was ultradiscreet (not uncommon for a J-Girl). And, demographically and geographically, we lived in very separate parts of Tokyo – that also minimized the danger factor. Keiko lived in a blue collar part of town and I lived in a non-blue collar neighborhood. Our paths could never cross after work and on weekends. Still, it did hurt when the other shoe dropped because Keiko was special in so many ways.

[Lion]

Yes, a secret GF situation can be very dangerous. A loose canon could cause problems. Luckily, Keiko was ultradiscreet (not uncommon for a J-Girl). And, demographically and geographically, we lived in very separate parts of Tokyo – that also minimized the danger factor. Keiko lived in a blue collar part of town and I lived in a non-blue collar neighborhood. Our paths could never cross after work and on weekends. Still, it did hurt when the other shoe dropped because Keiko was special in so many ways.

The problem with GFs is that the more you grow to like/love them, the better the sex is, and the harder it is to do without them. After a serious real GF it is hard to get the GFE no matter how much you are willing to pay.

That is why pay-for-play works for physical release but rarely gives you the emotional connection that goes with a real relationship.

(this is not to lecture you of course, but for the benefit of those newbies thinking Nampa is the answer to everything)

[Azure Knight]

I agree with Lion. As the old saying goes, you don't pay them for the play, you pay them to leave. Everything is on your terms - when, where, how long, etc. You don't have to worry about dates, presents, random meetings, or phone calls/emails - things that are very dangerous to committed mongers. Nampa may seem cheaper at first, but if you consider what you'll be spending in the long run, I imagine its much more of a drain on the wallet.

For me, the most ideal nampa situation is a FB who is preferably married/with a boyfriend. She has no intentions of leaving her mate, but she needs to get off every now and then, and that's where I come into play. I can be honest with her to a point, so we can avoid things like having to do phone calls and random emails, and if we saw each other on the street randomly we'd know to just walk by and act like total strangers. If things really work out we can skip date-like activities and go straight to the hotel, and then this would be cheaper overall than any P4P option. This is why I like going after older married women - we're both playing by the same rules.

There are a lot of young J-girls who don't mind being the mistress, but you never know when the fickle female heart might come into play and she strikes against you, or just some bad circumstances arise that complicate things.

[Dire Wolf98]

The problem with GFs is that the more you grow to like/love them, the better the sex is, and the harder it is to do without them. After a serious real GF it is hard to get the GFE no matter how much you are willing to pay.

That is why pay-for-play works for physical release but rarely gives you the emotional connection that goes with a real relationship.

(this is not to lecture you of course, but for the benefit of those newbies thinking Nampa is the answer to everything)I agree in many respects with Lion and Azure Knight. Both of you raise valid points.

However, I was still able to occasionally enjoy P4P when I was going out with my secret GF Keiko. When the P4P was good, it was still satisfying. For example, at the Image Fashion Club, HappyX2, in Shibuya, all the girls wore school uniforms and loose socks. When she was available, I always picked one girl, 18yo kogal Aiko, who had a deep tan and kinpatsu. The moment we were alone, we would engage in DFK and she would allow me to slowly undress and caress her. She had a sparse trimmed kitty and loved DATY. Aiko also had a velvet tongue which was great for nama fera (BBBJCIM). We finished many sessions doing 69.

Regarding my secret GF Keiko, she was very discreet to the point that if we did have an unintended encounter on the street, I think she would have maintained her poker face.

Also, IMHO, there are some things that the pros will do that GFs won't do -- like mat play and all those Soapland-related activities. Also, Keiko always claimed that she was too shy to take a shower with me (she drew the line in that respect). And as good and enthusiastic Keiko was about oral, she never ventured south of my kintama. Keiko wasn't the absolute best, but she is in my all time Top 10 and she is a jaw dropper.

For me, a skilled GFE-oriented pro can still take my breath away. Perhaps that makes me a hardened mercenary. My two favorite girls a Starship Soapland in Yoshiwara -- Arakawa-san and Misaki-chan -- always provided incredible off-the-charts service.

And yes, P4P puts you incomplete control. It's less of security risk.

[Xslikx]

The harder they come, the harder they fall, one and all

Bob MarleyJust in the interest of keeping the record straight, "The harder they come" was written by Jimmy Cliff.

[Inakajin]

And yes, P4P puts you incomplete control. It's less of security risk.

Based on my experience, I'd have to disagree with this. During the past 25 years, with two different wives, I've had 8 GFs--half I was with only a few times, the other half for up to a year and a half) and not one of them caused any problem for my marriages or me.

Conversely, in a little over 5 years of P4P, I've been "given" chlamydia twice, face herpes (cold sores) and crabs once each. And with my custom of making love with my wife within a day or two after encounters with P4P women, I consider myself phenominally lucky that she didn't get any of them.

Of course, it depends too on whether or not you play with single or married ones. The latter are far less likely to cause problems for you because they realize it could swing both ways. Then there's also the "Fatal Attractions" type that could really fuck you up, but I guess I've been lucky there, too.

Thus, I'd have to say that P4P is far more of a security risk for me than having a regular GF.

[Dire Wolf98]

(snip) Thus, I'd have to say that P4P is far more of a security risk for me than having a regular GF.

You're correct. I guess that's a health risk that can become a security risk.

[Lion]

Just in the interest of keeping the record straight, "The harder they come" was written by Jimmy Cliff.

Glad to be corrected on errors like that.

As for others comments:

The problem with the GF in my mind is mostly emotional. The more into her you are the better the sex usually is, and the harder it is to let go (which inevitably has to happen).

The P4P definately offers physical activity which most GF or wives are not into. It also offers health risks as Inakajin mentioned.

The solution is getting a married sex friend who understands limits and isn't looking for a future. They won't be the hard bodied aerobic instructor types, but they are also more likely to be adventurous in bed then the dedicated GF who thinks they own you.

[Inakajin]

Glad to be corrected on errors like that.

As for others comments:

The problem with the GF in my mind is mostly emotional. The more into her you are the better the sex usually is, and the harder it is to let go (which inevitably has to happen).

The P4P definately offers physical activity which most GF or wives are not into. It also offers health risks as Inakajin mentioned.

The solution is getting a married sex friend who understands limits and isn't looking for a future. They won't be the hard bodied aerobic instructor types, but they are also more likely to be adventurous in bed then the dedicated GF who thinks they own you.

Well said, Lion! I've always avoided the ones who I perceived early on wanted to own me, and that's been part of my success, I think.

[Two by Four]

Inakajin you raise a good point.

The health issue.

Take the most nymphomaniac (non-professional) J girl you can find and she will had had far fewer sexual partners than any J girl working in the sex industry.

The P4P gals service many guys a day. Obviously I don't have exact numbers but to make it finacnialy viable I'd say they have to service at least 4 guys PER DAY. Roll the dice that many times and snake eyes will come up eventually.

I too picked up crabs once in Japan with a P4P gal. She could talk the cute talk, did a foreign study in Australia, blah blah blah. But the skank gave me crabs man! that is nasty. Thank god I covered up or who knows what else I could have picked up. (BTW I found a very effective safe and natural treatment for crabs if anyone needs one......)

Somewhere on this forum someone was saying how he liked to finish with uncovered 69 with his P4P gal. Dude what are you thinking? You are asking for serious health trouble.

BTW you probably know that you now have herpes for the rest of your life. L-lysine and vitamin C usually keep my cold sores at bay.

Anyway I am rambling.

Be safe with your P4P action.

2x4





Based on my experience, I'd have to disagree with this. During the past 25 years, with two different wives, I've had 8 GFs--half I was with only a few times, the other half for up to a year and a half) and not one of them caused any problem for my marriages or me.

Conversely, in a little over 5 years of P4P, I've been "given" chlamydia twice, face herpes (cold sores) and crabs once each. And with my custom of making love with my wife within a day or two after encounters with P4P women, I consider myself phenominally lucky that she didn't get any of them.

Thus, I'd have to say that P4P is far more of a security risk for me than having a regular GF.

[Nino]

Inakajin you raise a good point.

The health issue.

Take the most nymphomaniac (non-professional) J girl you can find and she will had had far fewer sexual partners than any J girl working in the sex industry.

Depends what you mean by "sex industry". If you are talking about a slam-bang Chinese este, then I am sure you are right.
But for example a girl working for AM... 4 customers? That would be a 10-hour work day, counting for taxi time. Surely you are kidding.

I got to know a girl personally who worked for the now-defunct "Cherry Blossoms" DH (and had a very neat private deal with her, seeing her in her apartment... ah, memories).
Anyway, there was nothing like 4 customers/day. More like 1 or 2.

I say the typical drunken **** you get "for free" in a Roppongi meat market beats that easily. Plus consider the booze and accompanying carelessness...
I stick with AM, thanks.

[Kiyomori]

Just want to add my two cents. For what it is worth. Though I have only been in Japan a year, and leaving in August, I have nampa at several different settings and met and had several different types of girls. I have never had a problem with one. Until this girl I met in January. We have been "dating" since then and I have tried to get rid of her twice. But, I find that I am indeed emotionally attached to her. She has not been a drain on my wallet, she paid for the trip to the onsen at Kawaguchiko and out trip to Nagano, nor been overly clingy and I find that though I continue to bang and meet other girls she continues to offer me emotional support that you would normally have in a "regular" relationship. For me I know it is not a "regular" one, but she does not understand that in part because she is 22 and also I am only her 3rd boyfriend.

Despite this I find that our sex is incredible. She has gone paipan, does anal and has pretty much lost any inhibitions she once had, but still working on getting her to a happening club. Though, I have a married FB that I meet about every other week, I find that this girl really does give me the emotional support to the point that I actually am starting to feel bad about all the shit I am doing behind her f back. I guess I grew a conscious or something.

I guess what I am saying is that there are plus and minuses to having a regular thing, but its also nice to just have someone who just wants to fuck and that is it.

[Azure Knight]

the health concerns worry me as well. what do you guys do to stay clean and safe?

in the thailand forum, i remember one guy saying that he made it a point to drink lots of water before a p4p, so that he could [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) soon after. said it helped flushed out the system, and swore by it. doesn't sound all that medically sound though.

any better tips?

[Dire Wolf98]

I wish that all of you guys were in Japan when I was living there. What a fun and cooperative bunch. Back when I lived in Tokyo, I adopted the handle Lone Swordsman on some boards because, like Zatoichi I was wandering around on my own. However, unlike Zatoichi, I was receiving massages (and sex) and not giving massages. LOL

[Lion]

the health concerns worry me as well. what do you guys do to stay clean and safe?

in the thailand forum, i remember one guy saying that he made it a point to drink lots of water before a p4p, so that he could [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) soon after. said it helped flushed out the system, and swore by it. doesn't sound all that medically sound though.

any better tips?

pissing is not a bad idea, actually. i wouldn't consider myself safe though if that was my only plan.

dh or soaps are better in my opinion, since you have plenty of time for a pre and post washdown, hopefully with antiseptic soap, antiseptic gargle etc...these girls also have fewer customers.

avoiding cheap pink salons or places like tobita where girls do 10-20 guys a day would also be a good move. remember all mongers see lots of women, and the numbers get pretty scary when you think about it since they grow exponentially.

if you do choose to go to tobita, then it goes unsaid that a jimmy hat is necessary.

impossible to say no to bbbj though, and often hard to reject going down on a very sweet thing with her legs open wide, especially when it might prep her for fs. if you do go for bareback oral, the gargle is a necessity i think. i imagine all girls will appreciate you trying to stay clean-most of them keep a bottle in their bag as well.

[Nino]

Impossible to say no to BBBJ though, and often hard to reject going down on a very sweet thing with her legs open wide, especially when it might prep her for FS. If you do go for bareback oral, the gargle is a necessity I think. I imagine all girls will appreciate you trying to stay clean-most of them keep a bottle in their bag as well.

Every Love Hotel has a couple of convenient gargle packs around the wash bassin, use them.
And the girls in the BJ bars invariable appear smelling of Listerine... and I wouldn`t have it any other way.

One more thought about the non-paying pickups in Roppongi: How in the world do you know that your conquest is *not* working in the fuzoku business also?
The idea that there are two worlds out there, one with "good" and one with "bad" girls is cute, but an illusion.

[Sudsy]

in the thailand forum, i remember one guy saying that he made it a point to drink lots of water before a p4p, so that he could [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) soon after. said it helped flushed out the system, and swore by it. doesn't sound all that medically sound though.

it's actually very medically sound - and doctor recommended. it can flush bacteria out of the urethra before it has a chance to start a colony.

i usually carry a pocket bottle of listerine, and a washing down of mr. happy as soon as possible afterwards is a good idea. if you're going to an establishment that doesn't feature showers or baths, you can buy alcowipes at any drugstore.

[X Man]

Better yet, if you are bareback, it's wise to ejaculate on the outside. Same idea, flushes the tube. As for "outside", pick your target carefully.

X

??? you wash your dick with Listerine? Does your dick gargle?


It's actually VERY medically sound - and doctor recommended. It can flush bacteria out of the urethra before it has a chance to start a colony.

I usually carry a pocket bottle of listerine, and a washing down of Mr. Happy as soon as possible afterwards is a good idea. If you're going to an establishment that doesn'T feature showers or baths, you can buy alcowipes at any drugstore.

[X Man]

Hey, you've trained her well! I suspect she appreciates that. She might even suspect that you have other interests -- and maybe she doesn't care.

Make sure to invite her to visit you sometime after August! Don't pay for her ticket though. Just offer her room and board.

Hope you both continue to have fun.

X




Just want to add my two cents. For what it is worth. Though I have only been in Japan a year, and leaving in August, I have nampa at several different settings and met and had several different types of girls. I have never had a problem with one. Until this girl I met in January. We have been "dating" since then and I have tried to get rid of her twice. But, I find that I am indeed emotionally attached to her. She has not been a drain on my wallet, she paid for the trip to the onsen at Kawaguchiko and out trip to Nagano, nor been overly clingy and I find that though I continue to bang and meet other girls she continues to offer me emotional support that you would normally have in a "regular" relationship. For me I know it is not a "regular" one, but she does not understand that in part because she is 22 and also I am only her 3rd boyfriend.

Despite this I find that our sex is incredible. She has gone paipan, does anal and has pretty much lost any inhibitions she once had, but still working on getting her to a happening club. Though, I have a married FB that I meet about every other week, I find that this girl really does give me the emotional support to the point that I actually am starting to feel bad about all the shit I am doing behind her f back. I guess I grew a conscious or something.

I guess what I am saying is that there are plus and minuses to having a regular thing, but its also nice to just have someone who just wants to fuck and that is it.

[Hollow Man]

I've brought this topic up before and am now an expert. (I've done the listerine thing before btw.)

My supplies

Listerine (before oral and after , make sure the after is gargling for at least 1-2 minutes)

[EXTREME] - Isopropyl (rubbing) Alcohol. Rubbing alcohol contains a 70% isopropyl mixture with water or ethyl alcohol. 99% isopropyl will kill any and every bacteria and virus in 1 second. Listerine will do it in 2 minutes. (American medical journal testing). DO NOT leave the isopropyl on for more than 5 seconds (the itching will be your punishment). Immediately flush it off with alot of water for at least 1-2 minutes. May cause irritation or rash. I always carry a small bottle with me and rubbing alcohol is available anywhere.

[REASONABLE] - Purell hand sanitizer conatins a small percentage of isopropyl but no need to wash it off and its safe. Use a generous amount Purell to clean her genital area and yours before the deed. Then use it afterwards as well.

[Checklist]
- Yourself. If you have any cuts on Mr. happy then wait for it to heal. its an opening for viruses. Don't just depend on the condom. Some also use Cipro or other antibiotic while mongering.
- Check personality. talk about sex life and other stuff to classify her as normal, or crazy *****.
- Check breath. A sign of hygeine.
- Check tongue. coated tongue means bacteria. Usually it's the halitosis or bad breath kind but sometimes its more.
- Check genitals. I never go down on a girl but I always check the bush. If she wants the lights then you insist (or make a game of it) and do the check anyway.

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!

[Sudsy]

??? you wash your dick with Listerine? Does your dick gargle?

The listerine is for gargling after DATY or DFK. If my cock could gargle, I'd be starring in porn films and getting paid for it, not paying for it! :-D

[Asianthunder]

About Nampa. Where are the spots to Nampa the foreigners of Japan? The foreigners as in Russians, Americans, Phillipines, etc. And is there a specific way for Nampa for them?

[The Special One]

I love the internet and all of the 'experts' it produces.

Hand sanitizer, while a good idea in theory, does what it says on the tin. Sanitizes the HANDS. If you read the label, it will clearly say that it is not to be used on mucous membranes or genitals. Every chemist carries feminine wipes that will 'disinfect' the area if you are so convinced it needs it. Bear in mind that overuse of wipes can lead to irritation, which then can trigger a UTI (urinary tract infection). You should also never encourage a girl to use a douche, as overuse of those also leads to irritation and can actually aggravate infections by pushing them up into the cervix and into the uterus.

A good soapy shower, with urination by both parties after the deed is as effective as the extreme and reasonable measures you've described, and has much less potential for irritations and thrush or UTIs. We all have both good and bad bacteria, and when you take extreme measures to rid the bad, you are also killing the good bacteria.

Ciprofloxacin, is an antibiotic most commonly prescribed for frequent UTIs that do not respond to other antibiotics. It is occasionally given for gonorrhea when multiple STDs are present. It's also used against anthrax exposure. Amoxicillin, axithromycin, or doxycycline are prescribed for the clap and bacterial vaginosis (which can develop after overuse of douches and/or 'sanitizers'). Syphillis is cured with a good ole huge jab of penicillin.

Antibiotics are a treatment, NOT a prevention, and the suggestion of taking them when you're mongering is incredibly stupid and eventually harmful. Every time you take antibiotics, your body builds up a resistance to them. Taking them just for the hell of it because you think it'll prevent you from catching something is useless and when you do finally catch something major, antibiotics will be less effective, or even useless. Improper dispensing of antibiotics in third world countries (and now into developed as well) has led to 'superbugs' that are resistant to all antibiotics.

Bad breath is not always a symptom of bad hygiene. Quite often foul smelling breath originates in the stomach and could be a symptom of having a parasite (NOT a virus or infection) or simply because the has a poor digestion system and has food rotting in the stomach. Same with the coated tongue, many smokers develop a film over their taste buds to protect them from further damage from the tar in cigarettes.

Checking a girl's personality isn't going to tell you anything about her sexual health. Japan is one of the most ignorant countries in the world when it comes to sexual education and health. I've met some of the sweetest girls in the world who haven't a clue about reproductive health or have even bothered to have a yearly cervical smear.

The bottom line is this guys. Every time you play, you take the risk of having to pay later. Personally, I think P4P is a safer gamble than nampa, as they will likely be more aware of their health, especially if they work for an established agency like AM. Obviously using condoms is a must (yes, I know there are ones out there that are still of the belief that BB is ok), and while so many times here I read about 'that girl must be doing at least 2 or 3 guys a day', stop and have a think how many partners YOU have had. Chances are a 22 year old girl in the business for a year or two has had a lot less partners than mongers who've been out there for 15 years. And FFS, take some responsibility for yourself as well! How's YOUR hygiene? Do you get a yearly exam? Wash your hands before tossing one off or finger banging your gf/wife? These girls are getting diseases and infections from someone. Is that someone you?

And lastly, quit being an internet doctor and ask a real medical professional before advising people to do things that are potentially harmful!

TSO (who does actually possess a medical degree)


I've brought this topic up before and am now an expert. (I've done the listerine thing before btw.)

My supplies

Listerine (before oral and after , make sure the after is gargling for at least 1-2 minutes)

[EXTREME] - Isopropyl (rubbing) Alcohol. Rubbing alcohol contains a 70% isopropyl mixture with water or ethyl alcohol. 99% isopropyl will kill any and every bacteria and virus in 1 second. Listerine will do it in 2 minutes. (American medical journal testing). DO NOT leave the isopropyl on for more than 5 seconds (the itching will be your punishment). Immediately flush it off with alot of water for at least 1-2 minutes. May cause irritation or rash. I always carry a small bottle with me and rubbing alcohol is available anywhere.

[REASONABLE] - Purell hand sanitizer conatins a small percentage of isopropyl but no need to wash it off and its safe. Use a generous amount Purell to clean her genital area and yours before the deed. Then use it afterwards as well.

[Checklist]

- Yourself. If you have any cuts on Mr. happy then wait for it to heal. its an opening for viruses. Don't just depend on the condom. Some also use Cipro or other antibiotic while mongering.

- Check personality. talk about sex life and other stuff to classify her as normal, or crazy *****.

- Check breath. A sign of hygeine.

- Check tongue. coated tongue means bacteria. Usually it's the halitosis or bad breath kind but sometimes its more.

- Check genitals. I never go down on a girl but I always check the bush. If she wants the lights then you insist (or make a game of it) and do the check anyway.

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!

[Ozboy]

Bravo. This post deserves a second or third read, IMO.


I love the internet and all of the 'experts' it produces.

Hand sanitizer, while a good idea in theory, does what it says on the tin. Sanitizes the HANDS. If you read the label, it will clearly say that it is not to be used on mucous membranes or genitals. Every chemist carries feminine wipes that will 'disinfect' the area if you are so convinced it needs it. Bear in mind that overuse of wipes can lead to irritation, which then can trigger a UTI (urinary tract infection). You should also never encourage a girl to use a douche, as overuse of those also leads to irritation and can actually aggravate infections by pushing them up into the cervix and into the uterus.

A good soapy shower, with urination by both parties after the deed is as effective as the extreme and reasonable measures you've described, and has much less potential for irritations and thrush or UTIs. We all have both good and bad bacteria, and when you take extreme measures to rid the bad, you are also killing the good bacteria.

Ciprofloxacin, is an antibiotic most commonly prescribed for frequent UTIs that do not respond to other antibiotics. It is occasionally given for gonorrhea when multiple STDs are present. It's also used against anthrax exposure. Amoxicillin, axithromycin, or doxycycline are prescribed for the clap and bacterial vaginosis (which can develop after overuse of douches and/or 'sanitizers'). Syphillis is cured with a good ole huge jab of penicillin.

Antibiotics are a treatment, NOT a prevention, and the suggestion of taking them when you're mongering is incredibly stupid and eventually harmful. Every time you take antibiotics, your body builds up a resistance to them. Taking them just for the hell of it because you think it'll prevent you from catching something is useless and when you do finally catch something major, antibiotics will be less effective, or even useless. Improper dispensing of antibiotics in third world countries (and now into developed as well) has led to 'superbugs' that are resistant to all antibiotics.

Bad breath is not always a symptom of bad hygiene. Quite often foul smelling breath originates in the stomach and could be a symptom of having a parasite (NOT a virus or infection) or simply because the has a poor digestion system and has food rotting in the stomach. Same with the coated tongue, many smokers develop a film over their taste buds to protect them from further damage from the tar in cigarettes.

Checking a girl's personality isn't going to tell you anything about her sexual health. Japan is one of the most ignorant countries in the world when it comes to sexual education and health. I've met some of the sweetest girls in the world who haven't a clue about reproductive health or have even bothered to have a yearly cervical smear.

The bottom line is this guys. Every time you play, you take the risk of having to pay later. Personally, I think P4P is a safer gamble than nampa, as they will likely be more aware of their health, especially if they work for an established agency like AM. Obviously using condoms is a must (yes, I know there are ones out there that are still of the belief that BB is ok), and while so many times here I read about 'that girl must be doing at least 2 or 3 guys a day', stop and have a think how many partners YOU have had. Chances are a 22 year old girl in the business for a year or two has had a lot less partners than mongers who've been out there for 15 years. And FFS, take some responsibility for yourself as well! How's YOUR hygiene? Do you get a yearly exam? Wash your hands before tossing one off or finger banging your gf/wife? These girls are getting diseases and infections from someone. Is that someone you?

And lastly, quit being an internet doctor and ask a real medical professional before advising people to do things that are potentially harmful!

TSO (who does actually possess a medical degree)

[AussieGaigin]

About Nampa. Where are the spots to Nampa the foreigners of Japan? The foreigners as in Russians, Americans, Phillipines, etc. And is there a specific way for Nampa for them?
I would guess that any Russian or Filipino girls in Japan are likely to be working girls, so don't like your chances of getting a freebie.

[Asianthunder]

I'm pretty sure there are a couple europeans or other ethnic groups that are in Japan for school or work. Im just wondering where they normally hang out at?

And for the working girls, im just wondering where they hang out at on their off times? does anybody know?

Thanks in advance

[Gaienmae08]

I would guess that any Russian or Filipino girls in Japan are likely to be working girls, so don't like your chances of getting a freebie.In their defence all the Russian and Filipina girls I've personally known (not very many, admittedly) don't fall into that category.

On the other hand I'd hazard that a high proportion of "working girls" from these countries might be found in hostess bars and in need of some TLC after spending the evening pandering to the inane whims of Japanese salarymen ;).

As for Americans - how about hanging out near the various US bases? I'm sure there must be some serving females and / or bored wives desparate for attention.

Otherwise the only kind of place that occurs to me for meeting a mixed bag of non-Japanese females would be Japanese language classes.

[Soujourn]

One thing TSO mentioned is that YOU should be regularly tested. Now - this is super important if you practice nampa and I'll tell you why. I had an experience where I nampa'd a total hottie - we went at it for a couple days straight, then she left and I never saw her again... A great nampa experience. Then one day out of the blue , about 3mo later she calls up and wants to go out. Great! We go out have a pretty good time, but I sense something funky. Oh well. J-girls are funky and I leave it at that.

Then a week later she calls and wants to have lunch. OK - I'm on. We meet and she springs it -- she claims that I gave her an STD and she wants 'compensation'. Not just a few yen for some antibios and chocolate, but like 3million yen! And if I disagree about, she's gonna spring her goon friends on me. Well, to make a long story short -- I tell her to wait a few and I'll come back with some 'proof' for her - being my recent STD exam which showed I was totally clear. AND , I invited her to come along to the nearest International clinic for another complete exam to double check.

Well, she back pedaled in a heartbeat. I knew I would prove that she had whatever she had (or claimed) not a result any activities with me, and she would basically be admitting her scam (or indiscretion) - so either way she loses.

In the end I basically told her that she's very lucky that I don't turn her into the police for trying to blackmail me, and that I would gladly post her picture all over the net exclaiming what she had done. Needless to say she disappeared without incident.

Beware my homez, these girls are shifty devils at times. Especially the ones that are somewhat fluent in English. How did they get that? No way by Japanese public schools - more likely by gaijin pubic academy.

Better safe than sorry. Wrap it and test it - regularly.

[AussieGaigin]

In their defence all the Russian and Filipina girls I've personally known (not very many, admittedly) don't fall into that category.

.
My apologies for the slur. I meant to write MANY.

I concede that there will be some there as legitimate tourists or business people, but believe it would be a relatively small portion of the total. Reports in this forum, and in other media, suggest they are prevelant in the mizu shobai.

I am not sure where you could nampa the legit girls, but I didn't go to Japan to hunt up foreigners.

[The Special One]

Excellent point, Soujourn, and that opens up a whole new tin of worms. Aside from the STD scam (and that's not the first time I've heard of it), there's the pregnancy one. I've got a mate that actually caught his casual FB in the bathroom taking the used condom out of the bin and later confessing she wanted to try and impregnate herself.

Nampa as a sport is fun, but I'll stick to P4P. I'd rather pay a bit more for a couple hours than potentially be paying for a mistake the rest of my life.


One thing TSO mentioned is that YOU should be regularly tested. Now. This is super important if you practice nampa and I'll tell you why. I had an experience where I nampa'd a total hottie. We went at it for a couple days straight, then she left and I never saw her again. A great nampa experience. Then one day out of the blue, about 3mo later she calls up and wants to go out. Great! We go out have a pretty good time, but I sense something funky. Oh well. J-girls are funky and I leave it at that.

Then a week later she calls and wants to have lunch. OK. I'm on. We meet and she springs it.- she claims that I gave her an STD and she wants 'compensation'. Not just a few yen for some antibios and chocolate, but like 3million yen! And if I disagree about, she's gonna spring her goon friends on me. Well, to make a long story short.- I tell her to wait a few and I'll come back with some 'proof' for her. Being my recent STD exam which showed I was totally clear. AND, I invited her to come along to the nearest International clinic for another complete exam to double check.

Well, she back pedaled in a heartbeat. I knew I would prove that she had whatever she had (or claimed) not a result any activities with me, and she would basically be admitting her scam (or indiscretion). So either way she loses.

In the end I basically told her that she's very lucky that I don't turn her into the police for trying to blackmail me, and that I would gladly post her picture all over the net exclaiming what she had done. Needless to say she disappeared without incident.

Beware my homez, these girls are shifty devils at times. Especially the ones that are somewhat fluent in English. How did they get that? No way by Japanese public schools. More likely by gaijin pubic academy.

Better safe than sorry. Wrap it and test it. Regularly.

[Dire Wolf98]

I would guess that any Russian or Filipino girls in Japan are likely to be working girls, so don't like your chances of getting a freebie.Based on experience, I would estimate that there are many more Filipina maids in Tokyo than Filipina hostesses, Filipina strippers or Filipina massage girls.

[Asianthunder]

I've never been to Japan but im planning a trip so im just diong my homework and checking out this site and everything. So im just wondering do the girls (who are traveling and/or on vacation) hang out at the same bars as the guys do?

cause if im gonna try to nampa some J-girls, i should also try my luck wit those the filipinas, eastern european, and girls that are traveling and/or on vacation!

any answer would be great! even if its not the one im looking for!

[Evan Stoner]

Classic...


Especially the ones that are somewhat fluent in English. How did they get that? No way by Japanese public schools - more likely by gaijin pubic academy.

[Dire Wolf98]

Japan is very expensive -- you're not going to find many girls traveling/vacationing from Eastern Europe or the P.I.


I've never been to Japan but im planning a trip so im just diong my homework and checking out this site and everything. So im just wondering do the girls (who are traveling and/or on vacation) hang out at the same bars as the guys do?

cause if im gonna try to nampa some J-girls, i should also try my luck wit those the filipinas, eastern european, and girls that are traveling and/or on vacation!

any answer would be great! even if its not the one im looking for!

[Gaienmae08]

I've never been to Japan but im planning a trip so im just diong my homework and checking out this site and everything. So im just wondering do the girls (who are traveling and/or on vacation) hang out at the same bars as the guys do?

cause if im gonna try to nampa some J-girls, i should also try my luck wit those the filipinas, eastern european, and girls that are traveling and/or on vacation!

any answer would be great! even if its not the one im looking for!I've heard rumour that female Western backpackers can often be found at themed whale meat restaurants, where they find short term work as waitresses (they don't need an expensive costume, you see: evil grin.

Seriously, check out Lonely Planet or whatever guidebooks are en vogue in the budget traveler scene and try the bars or whatever which are mentioned in those. Or stay at a "guest house"-type place. Or work the queues beneath Tokyo Tower in the afternoon, and if you have no luck there move on to one of the many classy "Gaspanic" establishments in Roppongi.

[Kajos]

[EXTREME] - Isopropyl (rubbing) Alcohol. Rubbing alcohol contains a 70% isopropyl mixture with water or ethyl alcohol. 99% isopropyl will kill any and every bacteria and virus in 1 second. Listerine will do it in 2 minutes. (American medical journal testing). DO NOT leave the isopropyl on for more than 5 seconds (the itching will be your punishment). Immediately flush it off with alot of water for at least 1-2 minutes. May cause irritation or rash. I always carry a small bottle with me and rubbing alcohol is available anywhere.70% isopropyl or ethyl is a much more effective antiseptic than 99%. There are several studies that have shown this, look on google. The following simple summary from the FDA takes into account the issues of cell membrane permeability and volatility's effect on time of contact. From http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/a2z-b.html:

"Ethanol alcohol at 70% is more effective at killing bacteria than at 90 to 100% because the alcohol gets inside the cell better. Isopropyl alcohol is even more effective at killing bacteria because it is less volatile. While alcohol is a good disinfectant for inactivating many bacteria, it will not inactivate bacterial spores that are resistant. At acidic pH levels, many bacteria are inactivated by vinegar (acetic acid)."

[Lion]

I've never been to Japan but im planning a trip so im just diong my homework and checking out this site and everything. So im just wondering do the girls (who are traveling and/or on vacation) hang out at the same bars as the guys do?

cause if im gonna try to nampa some J-girls, i should also try my luck wit those the filipinas, eastern european, and girls that are traveling and/or on vacation!

any answer would be great! even if its not the one im looking for!

Same bars yes, but look for young 20-something backpacker/English teacher types who are not that attractive getting hit on by all the J guys around.

[Asianthunder]

Hey guys, I just want to say thanks to Dire Wolf98, Gaienmae08, and Lion for responding to my post about looking for non-J girls to nampa in japan.

I just wanted to mention that I didn't mean only eastern european girls (I don't know why I put that actually). I was thinking along the lines more of the backpackers and english teachers that Gaienmae08 and Lion mentioned.

But thanks, Dire wolf98 for clearing up on the eastern europe and PI girls. I was thinkin more western euro girls.

I plan on staying at youth hostel or guest house so hopefully I'll see some there!

So overall you guys would recommend bars like gas panic and other places that foreigners hang out at? I just thought those establishments would have more guys than girls

Again, thanks for responding guys!

[AussieGaigin]

I guess there would be a few working as maids, but I never came across any in my travels.

I guess they would have similar conditions to the girls in Hong Kong, do they also all get Sundays off? Do they have a common meeting place too? I stumbled across this phenomonen in HK by accident a few years back...talk about a candy shop...

[Gaienmae08]

I guess there would be a few working as maids, but I never came across any in my travels.

I guess they would have similar conditions to the girls in Hong Kong, do they also all get Sundays off? Do they have a common meeting place too? I stumbled across this phenomonen in HK by accident a few years back...talk about a candy shop...I think it's pretty near impossible to legally hire foreign domestic staff in Japan, at least at wage levels which makes it worth hiring them in the first place. I vaguely remember reading in some guide for wealthy expats that this one of the downsides to Japan compared to other Asian locations.

[Sudsy]

I think it's pretty near impossible to legally hire foreign domestic staff in Japan, at least at wage levels which makes it worth hiring them in the first place. I vaguely remember reading in some guide for wealthy expats that this one of the downsides to Japan compared to other Asian locations.

Check the notice boards at National Market in Azabu. There are plenty of part time maids for hire.

[X Man]

Huh? Even now, after the visa changes, I doubt it. Don't get Tokyo mixed up with Hong Kong.

X


Based on experience, I would estimate that there are many more Filipina maids in Tokyo than Filipina hostesses, Filipina strippers or Filipina massage girls.

[X Man]

hey, funny guy.

your post inexplicably reminds me of a sayonnara party held years ago for a young, female, australian eikaiwa teacher. being australian, as they tend to do, she got pretty pissed. there were probably about 20 people at this party -- no other customers. the ozzie boys in the group knew how to have a good party too, and at the end of her sayonnara speech they shouted for her to get her gear off.

she did. i never found her very attractive, but at that moment in time noticed that she had a very nice set of tits. but what she then said is forever etched into my brain, "i've been here a whole year and not one of you blokes shagged me!"

and that is the way it is. the japanese girls are pretty damn good. but i realized that a little attention to the western girl could have some payoff....they are getting seriously ignored.

x




i've heard rumour that female western backpackers can often be found at themed whale meat restaurants, where they find short term work as waitresses (they don't need an expensive costume, you see: evil grin.

seriously, check out lonely planet or whatever guidebooks are en vogue in the budget traveler scene and try the bars or whatever which are mentioned in those. or stay at a "guest house"-type place. or work the queues beneath tokyo tower in the afternoon, and if you have no luck there move on to one of the many classy "gaspanic" establishments in roppongi.

[Asianthunder]

No body shaggin those aussie chicks? Thats why I'm askin! Western girls need some loving too and I want to help! Haha

[AussieGaigin]

I would find it a waste chasing after Aussie chicks in Japan, when there is so much more local, and better, talent available there.

Then again, there are so many J- (and C-, V-, T-, K-) girls here in Sydney, I don't need to go after Aussie chicks here either.

[Azure Knight]

That's the thing - we guys are so busy going after the J-girls, and with Japanese men too scared to approach, western girls often get ignored here. They're not used to having to go out and get it themselves, back in their home countries they usually just wait for guys to come to them. They don't adjust to how things work in Japan and spend a lot of lonely nights with their vibrators.

I've known a few western girls that were good looking and I wanted to hook up with, but something else always got in the way. You want to talk about easy scores, some of these girls will be the easiest ever if you can pry your eyes away from the J-girls.

[Warbucks]

That's the thing - we guys are so busy going after the J-girls, and with Japanese men too scared to approach, western girls often get ignored here. They're not used to having to go out and get it themselves, back in their home countries they usually just wait for guys to come to them. They don't adjust to how things work in Japan and spend a lot of lonely nights with their vibrators.

I've known a few western girls that were good looking and I wanted to hook up with, but something else always got in the way. You want to talk about easy scores, some of these girls will be the easiest ever if you can pry your eyes away from the J-girls.

Well my ole lady is not western but I damn near had to kick a couple Japanese guys ass for trying to flirt with my ole lady. They go after Filipinas like they are going out of style.

[Meiji]

That's the thing - we guys are so busy going after the J-girls, and with Japanese men too scared to approach, western girls often get ignored here. They're not used to having to go out and get it themselves, back in their home countries they usually just wait for guys to come to them. They don't adjust to how things work in Japan and spend a lot of lonely nights with their vibrators.

I've known a few western girls that were good looking and I wanted to hook up with, but something else always got in the way. You want to talk about easy scores, some of these girls will be the easiest ever if you can pry your eyes away from the J-girls.Yeah, I talked to one blonde American cutie here in the US who just got back from living in Japan for a year or so, and she said she hated dating Japanese guys so much because they are so passive aggressive that she jumped on the first 'normal' westerner that she could find.

[Dire Wolf98]

I never lived in Hong Kong; I lived in Azabu . . .


Huh? Even now, after the visa changes, I doubt it. Don't get Tokyo mixed up with Hong Kong.

X

[Lion]

That's the thing - we guys are so busy going after the J-girls, and with Japanese men too scared to approach, western girls often get ignored here. They're not used to having to go out and get it themselves, back in their home countries they usually just wait for guys to come to them. They don't adjust to how things work in Japan and spend a lot of lonely nights with their vibrators.

I've known a few western girls that were good looking and I wanted to hook up with, but something else always got in the way. You want to talk about easy scores, some of these girls will be the easiest ever if you can pry your eyes away from the J-girls.

I agree that they are ripe for the picking, although they (in their 20s)may not go for the 40-somethings as readily as a J-gal might. There is also a shortage of good-looking ones...

But is it worth a shot-sure. And a backpakckers is as good a place as any to meet one.

[Asianthunder]

Thanks AzureKnight for emphasizing my point! That leads to my next (and original) question. Where can we find these western or white backpackers, english teachers, and tourist?

I see that this forum had good recommendations for spots and techniques for picking up J-girls. So what I want to know and I'm pretty sure a couple guys here is where are the spots and is there any special pick ups for the western or white backpackers, english teachers, and tourist ladies?

An example situation would be, how can I pry away the woman backpacker whos with her girls and/or guys friends at bar?

And where do these ladies meet up at so I can try my luck? Thats all I wanna know.

Again you guys, thanks in advance.

[Tall American]

When I had the time to do so, there were and I am sure still plenty of Western women on top of J-girls searching for men through placing their ads in Metropolis Classifieds. Quite easy hunting there if you give it time and the right focus.

[Gaienmae08]

Thanks AzureKnight for emphasizing my point! That leads to my next (and original) question. Where can we find these western or white backpackers, english teachers, and tourist?

I see that this forum had good recommendations for spots and techniques for picking up J-girls. So what I want to know and I'm pretty sure a couple guys here is where are the spots and is there any special pick ups for the western or white backpackers, english teachers, and tourist ladies?

An example situation would be, how can I pry away the woman backpacker whos with her girls and/or guys friends at bar?

And where do these ladies meet up at so I can try my luck? Thats all I wanna know.

Again you guys, thanks in advance.The reason why you haven't got a concrete reply so far is probably that there is no easy answer as far as "where" goes. In Tokyo at least there is no "backpackers ghetto" or "tourist district" along the lines of e.g. Bangkok's Khao Sarn Road or Sukhumwit where you're guaranteed to find (Western) foreigners in masses. The closest equivalent is Roppongi, but even there the Great White Female is not going to be herding around in large numbers at any particular spot (though someone please correct me if this is in fact the case, I don't hang out in Roppongi much).

[Lion]

Thanks AzureKnight for emphasizing my point! That leads to my next (and original) question. Where can we find these western or white backpackers, english teachers, and tourist?

I see that this forum had good recommendations for spots and techniques for picking up J-girls. So what I want to know and I'm pretty sure a couple guys here is where are the spots and is there any special pick ups for the western or white backpackers, english teachers, and tourist ladies?

An example situation would be, how can I pry away the woman backpacker whos with her girls and/or guys friends at bar?

And where do these ladies meet up at so I can try my luck? Thats all I wanna know.

Again you guys, thanks in advance.

Pick up one of the following:
Japanzine
Kansai Scene
Tokyo Metro (website and magazine I think)

As for techniques-whatever works at home...

[Basementcello]

Hello all, Good to see that everyone is having fun out on the hunt around Japan. I've got something I want to get off my chest and I was wondering if any of there are any experienced nampa men who can offer me any advice on a bit of an odd situation. Sorry in advance for a bit of a long winded story, but it delves into the strange Japanese cuture of the hostess club.

Some months ago, some friends visited from the UK, and my Japanese colleague offered to take us out to a hostess club in Tokyo, funnily enough with the full blessing of my Japanese gf who said it would be a fun night out for my English friends. For those who don't know, these are the bars where you pay to have all the cheap Korean liquor you can drink and make conversation/flirt a bit (nothing more! ) with beautiful women. The Japanese salaryman favorite. I have only been twice before and I thought it would be a fun experience for my friends, so off we went.

Being full of Dutch courage after several hours of drinking and trying to impress my friends (each of whom had a girl sat with them), I managed to get the phone number and email address of the hostess sat with me. A stunning 21 year old half Filipino half Japanese girl, who I hit it off with. She definitely looks like the Shibuya stunners you see on the weekend. To further clarify the situation, I am 25 years old, half Asian/European and can speak good Japanese. The morning after, I thought about it and dumped any idea I had of following her up along with an epic hangover. As far as I understand, hostess girls only give their details out to hook customers into patronising the bar more and more, thus increasing their salary and commission. So I decided to leave it as that.

However, as the weeks went on and to my surprise, we started texting each other as friends and eventually arranged to go out on a few dates. Once a month or so, usually after I finish work and before she starts. We have a weird half familiar friends, half flirting thing going on. Holding hands, teasing and joking etc. But nothing more and I think direct nampa won't work as she knows I have a gf. All the while, I have not returned to her bar and she is ok with seeing me outside her work, so it's definitely not the 'become a regular customer' trap. She even bought some Armani fragrance for me for my birthday and I bought a present for her too soon after.

So the question is, does anyone have any knowledge/experience of this kind of situation? Am I wasting my time and being strung along? Can I actually salvage something from this? I want to turn it into a P4P opportunity or a compensated dating type thing, but have no idea how to turn it round.

Anyway, happy hunting to the rest of you all.

[AussieGaigin]

If you want to get a backpacker girl in Sydney, one of the best places to start is an Irish pub.

I think there are a few of these in Tokyo.

You could even try the "International Parties" advertised in Metropolis and the other magazines mentioned. Good for getting J girls, but a few foreign girls also attend. Some of the language school coffee shops could also be fruitful.

There are probably a few girls out in country areas too, teaching and waitressing. A few years ago I was travelling with some Japanese friends around Shizuoka Pref and we stopped at a resort hotel for lunch. I was quite surprised when a caucasian girl appeared as our waitress. What was even more surprising was that it turned out she lived only a few blocks from me in Sydney.

[Nino]

If you want to get a backpacker girl in Sydney, one of the best places to start is an Irish pub.

I think there are a few of these in Tokyo.

Plenty of Irish pubs in Tokyo, but that does not make them automatic gathering places for gaijin backpacker girls.
Tokyo is too big to have only one place to meet them. As a rule of the thumb, you will find some kind of gaijin pub near the larger gaijin houses. I once went to a place like that near the Kimi Ryokan in Ikebukuro; check your Lonely Planet guide or some such to see where the guesthouses are and start your research there.

[Azure Knight]

Pick up any Lonely Planet or any other guide book on Japan, and whatever hot/trendy bar or pub they recommend is bound to be crawling with tourists and backpackers. Or, you can go to some of the major tourist attractions in your area, look for a girl or group of girls who might be studying a map, and offer to give them directions. If you can work up a good vibe you can turn into their tour guide of the day, maybe more.

Expats will probably be much harder, because they have their own regular places that they go to (and expats usually avoid tourist traps like the plague), and they also have their own circle of co-workers and friends that you would somehow have to break into.

I don't think your chances for success for either will be very high unless you're relatively young and good-looking, or you look like the living incarnation of money. This is why most foreign guys don't bother with foreign girls - far more work for the same (or perhaps even less!) reward. If I had an opportunity for one I'd gladly take it but I wouldn't go out of my way to work for it.

[Xslikx]

So the question is, does anyone have any knowledge/experience of this kind of situation? Am I wasting my time and being strung along? Can I actually salvage something from this? I want to turn it into a P4P opportunity or a compensated dating type thing, but have no idea how to turn it round.I would not try to turn it into a compensated dating thing by raising that subject. (In fact, that would really kill the sexual tension you got going on.)

I would take her to karaoke and make out with her. Of course, she will object to making out on some ground, at which point you back off, sing a song and then go for it again. (You could also just take her to a labuho, but this slightly more high risk) In other words, just seduce her. (If she gets hot enough, you can just fuck her in the karaoke box. I do this pretty regularly with girls who I don't think are ready to be steered into a labuho.)

The fact that she knows you have a GF is irrelevant. If you think you are the only guy dating this girl you are mistaken, and once you start fucking her you will also not be the only guy fucking her.

[Asianthunder]

Just wanted to say thanks to Lion, Tall American, Gaienmae08, Aussiegaijin, Nino, Direwolf, Azure Knight and anybody else I could of possibly missed out on for clarifying some points and giving me ideas on trying to hit on some white girls! Or to be more specific non-Jgirls.

I will definitely take the Irish pub in consideration, but like someone else stated, there must be tons of pubs. I just thought there might be a place where majority of these girls might convene at, but thats my ignorance.

For sure I'll check out the bars and stuff and possibly hit up a international partie just to see how it is. But honestly, is Lonely Planet a great guide for someone like me to use? I heard mix reviews on the book so I don't want to go dumping my money right away on the book.

I would actually go out my way to get these non-jgirls cause all the guys are going after these J chicks and again, Meiji mention that the Jguys are too passive aggresive and these women need some loving too! So I'm willin to put some work in to it.

I guess I'll just keep doing some more research and go on metropolis like a couple people recommended and definitely check out the hostels and guest houses.

Again, I really appreciate all the info guys, keep giving them if you guys got any. And thanks in advance.

[Azure Knight]

Can I get some advice from the nampa vets?

Got a woman I met off the internet - mid 30's, single, very attractive. We've had one date so far that went pretty well. However, because of schedules we can only really meet during the weekdays, and she'll probably have work the next day so she can't stay out too late. While she does drink alcohol, according to her she only drinks a little, not enough to get drunk. What's the best way to get this moving in the right direction?

[Nino]

Can I get some advice from the nampa vets?

Got a woman I met off the internet - mid 30's, single, very attractive. We've had one date so far that went pretty well. However, because of schedules we can only really meet during the weekdays, and she'll probably have work the next day so she can't stay out too late. While she does drink alcohol, according to her she only drinks a little, not enough to get drunk. What's the best way to get this moving in the right direction?

Make a date near a love hotel, and then literally steer her in that direction. That is the Japanese approach.

[Denkicash]

Make a date near a love hotel, and then literally steer her in that direction. That is the Japanese approach.Do not talk about it, don't say "shall we go to a love hotel?" just take her by the hand, lead her in that direction, and walk her in.

Works most of the time.

[Azure Knight]

Interesting.

So, do you guys do this cold turkey then? I'm used to having a little more to work with, like we've been dancing at the club together already, or we've been drinking and are very flirty with each other. In my head, I can't quite put together staring at each other across a dinner table for an hour, and then leaving from there and going right to a love hotel, without some sort of transistion in between. Is this what you guys are doing, and does it work?

[Nino]

Interesting.

So, do you guys do this cold turkey then? I'm used to having a little more to work with, like we've been dancing at the club together already, or we've been drinking and are very flirty with each other. In my head, I can't quite put together staring at each other across a dinner table for an hour, and then leaving from there and going right to a love hotel, without some sort of transistion in between. Is this what you guys are doing, and does it work?

Of course, there is no written manual for this, and every situation is different. In my case, it wouldn´t be so much straight from a dinner table, as rather from dinner table to some bar/pub/Karaoke box and then to the lovehote. The point is that a lot of communication is non-verbal. Usually you get the feeling if a girl is "nagare-yasui" (goes with the flow) or not.
Anyway, but the 2nd or 3rd date it would usually happen.

[Jamis Plumber]

Interesting.

I'm used to having a little more to work with, like we've been dancing at the club together already, or we've been drinking and are very flirty with each other.........staring at each other across a dinner table for an hour, and then leaving from there and going right to a love hotel, without some sort of transistion in between. Is this what you guys are doing, and does it work?
I assume you are still in Kansai area, have had the first date and money or time are non-issues. Transition on a second date is possible with good results. A meal at a Japanese restaurant to convince her you like it all Japanese; movie tickets to the hind-row seats at Toho cinemas (green seats BTW, choose the far corner). As lights are dimmed (or turned off) you are free to hold hands atleast. choose an Adrenaline-raising movie so she will have to hold firmly onto you. Caress her gently paying attention to the hot zones. If she catches on, kissing in between is up to you. When the movie is over and everyone is rushing out, stay alittle longer and try deep kissing. From there, you can hold her arm and move towards the nearest "rabuhoteru". It has worked for me many times. It may work for you too. If it is a miss, you are a hunter.

[Azure Knight]

Not bad! But, time is an issue. If we did dinner and a movie we'd certainly have no time for anything else. I'm thinking of the best way to get her from the restaurant to the rabuho without it being too sudden. Of course, if she's fine with "ikinari" "out of the blue" then so am I, but I don't want to throw her off.



I assume you are still in Kansai area, have had the first date and money or time are non-issues. Transition on a second date is possible with good results. A meal at a Japanese restaurant to convince her you like it all Japanese; movie tickets to the hind-row seats at Toho cinemas (green seats BTW, choose the far corner). As lights are dimmed (or turned off) you are free to hold hands atleast. choose an Adrenaline-raising movie so she will have to hold firmly onto you. Caress her gently paying attention to the hot zones. If she catches on, kissing in between is up to you. When the movie is over and everyone is rushing out, stay alittle longer and try deep kissing. From there, you can hold her arm and move towards the nearest "rabuhoteru". It has worked for me many times. It may work for you too. If it is a miss, you are a hunter.

[Basementcello]

I would not try to turn it into a compensated dating thing by raising that subject. (In fact, that would really kill the sexual tension you got going on.)

I would take her to karaoke and make out with her. Of course, she will object to making out on some ground, at which point you back off, sing a song and then go for it again. (You could also just take her to a labuho, but this slightly more high risk) In other words, just seduce her. (If she gets hot enough, you can just fuck her in the karaoke box. I do this pretty regularly with girls who I don't think are ready to be steered into a labuho.)

The fact that she knows you have a GF is irrelevant. If you think you are the only guy dating this girl you are mistaken, and once you start fucking her you will also not be the only guy fucking her.Xslikx,

Thanks for your advice on the karaoke booth, I had been thinking of something along those lines. I guess I am just wary of the difficulty of getting a hostess girl into bed, perhaps I'm aiming way too high, but I'm not thinking with my brain! If you don't mind me asking, what kind of girls do you use your karaoke strategy with?

By the way, AzureKnight, good luck! I definitely feel your pain of advancing a Japanese date beyond the restaurant to the bedroom.

[Evan Stoner]

from nikkan gendai via tokyo reporter (http://www.tokyoreporter.com/)

the types of gals who’re rarin’ to go
july 15, 2008

girls who like to drink on their feet are among the easiest to roll over onto their backs. so men hunting for a one-night stand are advised to eschew sedate and secluded drinking spots in favor of tachinomi-ya (stand-up drinking establishments).

evening tabloid nikkan gendai (june 21) reports that at one such place, under the elevated tracks in tokyo’s shimbashi district, such females accounted for nearly half the clientele, and could be seen chug-a-lugging beer from mugs as they stood shoulder-to-shoulder with male patrons.

“if you ask one, ‘what’s good to eat here?’ to break the ice, she might offer you a nibble of whatever she’s eating,” says hideyuki kagi, author of “the new complete pimp manual,” who provides the main commentary for the article.

“they’re easy to pick up. but you should watch out for girls who are regulars at a place — they might be predators out to entrap you.”

the second type of easy gal, according to kagi, are those who wear their hair cut short, in the style of 22-year-old actress juri ueno, who starred in the popular fuji tv drama “last friends.”

kagi says he became aware of this characteristic around the time his conquests reached 200.

“these kinds of gals are not too picky, so they’re good for a one-time roll in the hay,” he notes.

another type of gal who’s easy to score with is one who goes in for “brazilian wax” depilatory treatments — a practice said inspired by “sex and the city.” of course you won’t know her mons is adorned with ippon-sen (a mohawk-styled trim) until you peel off her garments, but it seems that such women get off through the feeling they can control men.

kagi also says girls who prance in hot pants are likely to be hot to trot.

“they might be a bit deceptive in the first place, and are aggressive, which is why they go for revealing clothes,” he says. “like the girls with short hair, they’re easier to seduce by coming on to them directly. they’ll do fine for a one-night stand.”

the fifth type is the gal with a hearty appetite, who digs into almost anything placed in front of her.

“a girl who likes to sample various things is also likely to have a wolfish sexual appetite,” observes kagi. “she’ll go after the kind of males she’s never encountered before. of the five types, she’s the one with the lowest threshold, easy to get hot and to chill.

“it’s hard to have a serious relationship with this type, but if you just want to have fun, they’re the best.”

[Xslikx]

Xslikx,

Thanks for your advice on the karaoke booth, I had been thinking of something along those lines. I guess I am just wary of the difficulty of getting a hostess girl into bed, perhaps I'm aiming way too high, but I'm not thinking with my brain! If you don't mind me asking, what kind of girls do you use your karaoke strategy with?
My seduction strategy has changed a lot since I came to Japan. Actually, I learned a lot from the boards that are dedicated to Japanese pick-up. Mostly in English but more recently in Japanese.

My approach is I always go for the close. I always try to isolate and fuck them. I will try to fuck them anywhere where it's private enough. I learned early on, especially with the younger or hotter girls, that if you don't try to fuck them really quick, they will assume you don't know what you're doing and move on. (I actually had two HS girls tell me they could meet me whenever and do whatever I wanted, and then when I didn't fuck them after the first few dates, they just stopped getting in touch.) Sometimes, I go for the close too quick and scare them off, but whatever, there are a million more J girls out there.

When, you're eating dinner just start talking about how you're gonna go to karaoke or manga kissa after. Then just go. Don't ask her what she wants to do, or if she wants to go. Lead. She actually wants you to figure out how to fuck her.

Most Japanese girls expect you to just take control. That is, to just take them somewhere private and fuck them. Of course they will object, but this is just part of the game. Just move on to something else and come back to it. The main thing is not to respond when they try to through you off.

PS: There is no such thing as aiming too high. I have fucked two hostesses, a pornstar, and super hot girls with fake tits and pornstar bodies. I just went for it and pushed forward at every opportunity. On the other hand, today I tried to pick up a girl on the train who had been staring at me and she just gave me one "get lost" look, reached in her bag pulled out her keitai and started reading some random bullshit.

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[Sushi Galore]

Gentlemen,

Due to change of job I have been out of the country for more than three years now. I did my share of mongering and nanpa here for almost 8 years before though (and had postings back then) - so I know how to behave, speak quite decent Japanese, etc.

My question is: I will be in Tokyo for two weeks in later October (staying in the Shinjuku area) and was wondering what are the best nanpa spots recently to work the mid 20s to early 30s OL these days?

Is Heartland still the place to go? What about Mowtown? Any other "in" places for easy pick up in Roppongi? Is there something maybe in Shinjuku?

I know this is a rather general question, but trends change and former hunting-grounds my proof to be barren... I don't live here anymore and have not enough time for the trial & error approach in this matter (every day/ evening counts, lol)

Much obliged for any info!

Sushi

P.S. Are there any recommendations for good dating sites (for the obvious of course) on the net so I might already pre-arrange some meetings?

[Evan Stoner]

just did a quick informal count in my gmail account, and here's the tally:

metropolis: 24
world friends: 34
japan cupid: 25

so ymmv, but any of the three works afaic. i don't even look at metropolis anymore as the other two sites are easier to navigate, have pictures and intro information, etc. wf and/or jc are perfect for setting up meetings if you're coming into town in a few weeks. i was actually surprised that i closed more on wf than jc since i tend to use jc almost exclusively these days. by the way, i've never paid to use either of these sites and it's worked fine for me. i'm not philosophically opposed to paying but it's just never appealed to me enough, nor does it appear to be necessary. this is over a period of a couple years. yes, it keeps me busy.

other sources for me have been: dream realize [1], japan loving (defunct i think) [3], japan pen friend [1 but she was 18 and sooo hot so i think this counts for, like, 15]. potential sources i have not yet used include mixi, asoboo, asian euro, facebook, couchsurfing and craigs list. some of these are clearly not as optimal as others, but then you never know.

you tend to see some women registered on more than one site. that's both interesting and potentially dangerous. i try to vary pics and info to mix things up, or if i decide to use the same 'profile' across sites then i make sure the info is consistent (or i may have some 'splainin' to do). it's also interesting to let facebook scrape your gmail account every once in a while and find which of your contacts are also registered on there... educational and sometimes useful.

by the way, gmail is a fantastic way to organize your contacts, what with photos, multiple emails and phones, and most especially groups. i can't believe i did without it for so long. for example i can tell you at a glance that of the 99 (expecting to roll over soon :) ladies whose favors i have enjoyed 54 were first-timers, 17 second-timers, and that i met 96 who did not 'close'. yes, i know you didn't ask.

then there is always the option of strolling down to the corner pub ;-)

stay safe out there.

es

[Jogabonito]

Hey all,

I'm coming to Koshigaya city in Saitama on the 22nd. And I'm staying until July of next year. My Japanese right now is rudimentary. Can I get any advice on starting nampa? Also do many clubs and bars ID over here, because I'm only 17.

[Topos]

hey all,

i'm coming to koshigaya city in saitama on the 22nd. and i'm staying until july of next year. my japanese right now is rudimentary. can i get any advice on starting nampa? also do many clubs and bars id over here, because i'm only 17.

for your information and as you have stated you are 17, which means you are ****.

therefore we cannot give you any advice reguarding this hobby, doing so would put us on the wrong side of the law.

i hope jackson takes note that you are **** and takes the appropriate action.

and of course you need id`s this is japan not the moon

topos

[Lion]

for your information and as you have stated you are 17, which means you are ****.

therefore we cannot give you any advice reguarding this hobby, doing so would put us on the wrong side of the law.

i hope jackson takes note that you are **** and takes the appropriate action.

and of course you need id`s this is japan not the moon

topos

topos is right that you are legally considered **** in this country. that said, giving advice on whether it is possible to go to a club or not is unlikely to be illegal. encouraging you might be however.


young people are considered adults in japan at age 20. however this is the land of beer vending machines, and in general they are not as strict as in the u.s. if you look like a teen, you won't get in. if you look mature-maybe. but don't worry, game centers are very popular for the under 20 crowd and meeting new friends there will be a breeze...

[AussieGaigin]

Going to a club might be illegal for a 17 year old, but I'm sure nampa isn't.

I'll bet he would find plenty of high school girl admirers, it shouldn't be too hard to find where they hang out in his area.

[Azure Knight]

PS: There is no such thing as aiming too high. I have fucked two hostesses, a pornstar
How do you pull this off anyway? Do you just set your sights on a girl, reel her in, and then find out later that she's a pornstar? Was she just sitting in Starbucks or something?

I'd love to get just one pornstar under my belt before I retire.

[Evan Stoner]

How do you pull this off anyway? Do you just set your sights on a girl, reel her in, and then find out later that she's a pornstar? Was she just sitting in Starbucks or something?

I'd love to get just one porn star under my belt before I retire. I fucked a porn actress (star? maybe not; unfortunately mad as a hatter) and an ex- Nagoya terebi tarento (cute, hot and gagging for it -- plus tits you wouldn't believe) who I met on World Friends/Japan Cupid. And I wasn't even looking for that type specifically, I just happened on them. I also fucked a hostess in the Roppongi Mandarin Club (those who know, know...) and then dated her for a while. Again, not really trying but lucking out. Very rewarding.

Remember a couple of things:

(1) luck favors the prepared mind
(2) those who dare, succeed

ES

[Techrepjapan]

I'd love to get just one pornstar under my belt before I retire.Both Erika and Sayuri from AM have worked in the Japanese adult film industry in amateur roles.

[Kanda]

Been a while since I've been on ISG, though just saw the post from the 17 years old below. Isn't the age of consent in Tokyo and/or Japan something ridiculous like 13? Gave it a quick google and while a bit confusing, it seems to be either 13 or 16.

[Nino]

Both Erika and Sayuri from AM have worked in the Japanese adult film industry in amateur roles.

Sayuri in amateur roles; Erika actually tried become a "name" pornstar, but I don´t think she produced more than a handful of films.

But yes, for fetish to hump a porn actress, that would do.

[Lion]

been a while since i've been on isg, though just saw the post from the 17 years old below. isn't the age of consent in tokyo and/or japan something ridiculous like 13? gave it a quick google and while a bit confusing, it seems to be either 13 or 16.

i believe in japan they place more emphasis on intention than age (but the number of years difference in age is important for minors). here it matters less whether or not the partner is an adult or not, but also whether they are close in age.

the us is nuts about drawing a line in the sand, where an 18 year old can get accused of statutory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) even if his/her partner is less than a year away in age.

in any case, you would get in trouble in either case, since you no doubt are way over the ages you mentioned.


the stat i posted a little while ago shows they are just as active as american/euopean teens.

"j-girls starting younger"
read this recently in a government handbook on sex and std.j-girls
in 1993 23% of girls had sex by age 18. boys were about the same.
in 2003 is was 45%. boys about 30% (guess the gals are going for the older types..)

[Xslikx]

How do you pull this off anyway? Do you just set your sights on a girl, reel her in, and then find out later that she's a pornstar? Was she just sitting in Starbucks or something?

I'd love to get just one pornstar under my belt before I retire.

Yeah, in those cases I didn't know before hand what I was dealing with. Actually, in the case of the pornstar, she got pissed about something and said, "hey, you know I'm famous, look me up on the internet." She told me her real name and so later I did. It turned out she was a pornstar.

In one case, when I lived in Canada I dated a stripper, who I knew was a stripper before we hooked up. But she didn't know that I knew, and I think that helped.

[Guy Jeen]

Remember a couple of things:

(1) luck favors the prepared mind.So true. I can't say how many times I've been way deep in thought on the train only to realize too late that Missed Opportunity was right there.

It always seems to be when you least expect it. So expect the unexpected.

[James In Japan]

Hello All- I've been a member of this site for several months, but have never posted. Mostly I like to glean information about what to do where to go, and overall its been a wealth of information.

A little background before I get into my actual question. I'm 34, american, educated and well traveled. I would say average looking. I moved to japan 6 months ago, and took a year of Japanese before hand and have contriuned since. I would say my skills are average, but I'm motivated.

I live in the country (aomori prefecture), and the action here is limited. I have 2 relatively large Cities within a hours drive, but nothing really locally. While I have had some success with a few girls here, its been harder work than what I'm used to and what I expected. I believe there are several factors that contribute to that, one being the lack of options and another being the fact that the ones that are here are exactly modern thinkers. Rather conservative. I move around alot by nature, and often use the internet to start building a base of people I know, but I've found that nearly impossible. I've tried all the major sites and on each there are maybe 3 people on there from the entire prefecture. And often they are the same people. Can any one offer any good advice? I know the best way is just to go out and meet people, but don't really have very many gaijin related areas. I don't mind traveling to meet people. But I need some relatible way to make those connections.

I'm not really a monger by nature, nor a P2p person. And by no means a unhappy complaining person. I'm just looking for a way to meet cool people. Any help?

[Katana]

lion you are basically correct intention is weighed heavily. the laws however are confusing and set prefecture by prefecture. the only national law is that a girl must be 18 to work in or for that matter use any sex industry occupation so if you are paying, make sure about the age, police do care about that and raid businesses that used to advertise **** girls and very recently raided one of those arrangement shops that was full of **** school girls working for themselves. did not read about any customers getting arrested but they did stop the operation and all these shops have signs saying under 18 not permitted. so even when dealing with independents or even nampa it is best to avoid this age group if nothing else just for the possibility of spending 23 days in a lockup without a lawyer waiting to see if they charge you while beating a confession out of you.



i believe in japan they place more emphasis on intention than age (but the number of years difference in age is important for minors). here it matters less whether or not the partner is an adult or not, but also whether they are close in age.

the us is nuts about drawing a line in the sand, where an 18 year old can get accused of statutory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) even if his/her partner is less than a year away in age.

in any case, you would get in trouble in either case, since you no doubt are way over the ages you mentioned.


the stat i posted a little while ago shows they are just as active as american/euopean teens.

"j-girls starting younger"
read this recently in a government handbook on sex and std.j-girls
in 1993 23% of girls had sex by age 18. boys were about the same.
in 2003 is was 45%. boys about 30% (guess the gals are going for the older types..)

[X Man]

GJ, so true. Ha, ha, but that's what is so cruel! Women are attracted to confident guys who could give a shit...not the desperate, leering bstrd with a hard on. I have yet to master acting like a cool guy who could give a shit, while hiding my inner lecherous self. And that is what is so appealing about the Nampa thing....

Or maybe it's just Murphy's Law. I had a really naughty one tell me she missed her last train while I was suffering two conditions 1) fantastically drunk 2) had a girl waiting at my apartment. These three conditions have never occurred at the same time since!

Not willing to let an opportunity pass, I took her to a L. hotel (we were in Takadanobaba - remember the Fiddler!). Unable to perform at 2am, I somehow managed to spurt the protein before 10am check out, but pumping away with a throbbing hangover headache is not the best way to fornicate.

She called me the next weekend inviting me to party with her in Roppongi. I had other plans. Never saw her again. The girl that was waiting at apartment still hangs on...I love her tenacity.

X



So true. I can't say how many times I've been way deep in thought on the train only to realize too late that Missed Opportunity was right there.

It always seems to be when you least expect it. So expect the unexpected.

[Techrepjapan]

... Women are attracted to confident guys who could give a shit...not the desperate, leering bstrd with a hard on. ...Agreed 100%.

I don't know how many times I have seen a fine, "race queen", J-girl with some loser J-dude (you know the type... pointy shoes, pants hanging down below his ass, name brand every thing, etc.) that you know is just treating her like shit and could care less with the fine trophy he has.

[Basementcello]

My seduction strategy has changed a lot since I came to Japan. Actually, I learned a lot from the boards that are dedicated to Japanese pick-up. Mostly in English but more recently in Japanese.

My approach is I always go for the close. I always try to isolate and fuck them. I will try to fuck them anywhere where it's private enough. I learned early on, especially with the younger or hotter girls, that if you don't try to fuck them really quick, they will assume you don't know what you're doing and move on. (I actually had two HS girls tell me they could meet me whenever and do whatever I wanted, and then when I didn't fuck them after the first few dates, they just stopped getting in touch.) Sometimes, I go for the close too quick and scare them off, but whatever, there are a million more J girls out there.

When, you're eating dinner just start talking about how you're gonna go to karaoke or manga kissa after. Then just go. Don't ask her what she wants to do, or if she wants to go. Lead. She actually wants you to figure out how to fuck her.

Most Japanese girls expect you to just take control. That is, to just take them somewhere private and fuck them. Of course they will object, but this is just part of the game. Just move on to something else and come back to it. The main thing is not to respond when they try to through you off.

PS: There is no such thing as aiming too high. I have fucked two hostesses, a pornstar, and super hot girls with fake tits and pornstar bodies. I just went for it and pushed forward at every opportunity. On the other hand, today I tried to pick up a girl on the train who had been staring at me and she just gave me one "get lost" look, reached in her bag pulled out her keitai and started reading some random bullshit.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Xslikx,

Looks like you are the man to ask about high level nampa - good work on the pornstar!

What were your experiences with the hostesses, if I may ask? The one I have been seeing recently is a tough nut to crack as she works most nights of the week, and theres no way I'm gonna play the salaryman game. But to hear a ISG member say he has cracked it means I haven't given up all hope yet.

[Guy Jeen]

None of my business, but I have a few more questions. If you don't mind answering.

Is this girl a one-time shot. Or, is she going to be a sex tomo for you? As for the hotel. Love hotel or a regular hotel (all night)?

I had some luck with AFF for the Tokyo area a few years back, but it took more effort than I was willing to put in to it. I found I had better luck dragging my net at the train stations and Starbucks.

I had to do business on a regular basis in Nagoya for four months earlier this year. I renewed my AFF membership just for 30 days. That was a much better score ratio and worth my time, money and effort.

It's interesting to read a few folks have had the same experiances with AFF.Tho still tryin to turn into a regular thing, seems she was a 1-nite wonder. -sigh-

Hey, online deai sites can never be a substitute for train stations, Starbucks, or my personal favorite, bookstores. Deai sites can only be a secondary supplement. The only question is: Is the supplement worth the time/energy/money? I guess it depends on how hungry you are and how much disposable time/energy/money you've got this month!

[Tooldforthis]

Started reading this thread from the beginning and finally made it all the way through. Learning a lot and really getting a humerous kick out of all this stuff. Some really good advice I've picked us so thanx but it seems like this thread has slowed down recently.

Anyway, this is only my 2nd post but my first post (on HK thread) a few weeks ago turned me into an addicted mongerer all of a sudden and wanted to try my luck at some free nanpa action in Tokyo based on all this info. So a few details on my newbie nanpa activities in Tokyo this week.

1) Prior to coming, I replied to 8 personal ads with a 'attractive married guy, looking for dinner, nightlife activity' type approach. Surprisingly, I got about a 50% hit rate. Then have to send a pic to keep them interested (I am decent looking 39yo) then started email nanpa (I guess that is what you call it). Scheduled meetings with 4 for my Tokyo visit. All are 30+ OL profile as many suggested on this thread. One of which even recommends "quick drink and go to my room" even before we meet in person. Most of the others are reserved through email.

2) saved nanpa thread pages 49-45 and read them on JAL fight over to NRT. Finished reading them and decided to start practicing right away on the stewardesses on the plane. It worked. Started some small talk on how long they were going to be in town, where they like to go, etc. Got some slight touching (on the plane) and a phone number from one. I sensed she is a good future target next trip. May follow-up.

3) Arrive in Tokyo. Meet the 'quick drink and go to room' girl 1st night. She is more older and more 'scary' than I thought but definitely good to go and no real nampa required. Actually not too fun but I did manage 3pops with her but not my type. Done with her.

4) Try my luck next day nanpa'ing the lobby clerks, 7-11 laddies (while I'm buying condoms! ), a couple of street OLs. Hey. This is easy with all the advice here on the board. Never push too hard with any of these but I think it would have been possible with a couple. Feeling confident now.

5) Later on day 2, meet other 3 girls from email correspondence. 1st two I meet near hotel for drink/snack. Both are decent OL types but not so interested in them. Have nice time chatting but make no nanpa effort on my part. They send me nice follow-up emails asking to get together again. Probably one with them or save as back-ups.

6) Save my top 'pick' from the email responses for last. Sat. Evening. From email exchanges we seem to have things in common and she looks hot in her pics. Meet her at ANA lobby and wow, my instinct was right. Someone (Soujourn? ) mentioned that comment about they know with 10sec if they will sleep with you. I conclude that is accurate. Took the general guidance here (although I did buy her a drink) about suggesting karaoke room (fun, lots of groping, her dress around her waist, never done this before but great). Then using guidance here, just say let's go and lead her back to hotel. Basically like a lost little deer. Rest of night was great and will meet her again. A keeper. Guess that is not nanpa approach though! ?

7). What is next.coming back to Tokyo in a few days then back again in mid-Sept. My next step is to try a little clubbing nanpa but I think I need to find wingman for that approach. Seems easiest although Soujourn suggests is it possible as a single (for the experts I suppose). Anybody interested in late Sept. I would like to meet a couple of the more experienced pro's on here.

I am thinking this nanpa thing is easier than I expected.

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[Azure Knight]

1) Prior to coming, I replied to 8 personal ads with a 'attractive married guy, looking for dinner, nightlife activity' type approach. Surprisingly, I got about a 50% hit rate.
Very nice! You certainly make it sound pretty easy.

One question though. Would you mind sharing more about where you were able to contact these girls and your approach? I too will be heading into Tokyo in over a week, so I'd like to get started setting up potential dates.

[Tooldforthis]

Very nice! You certainly make it sound pretty easy.

One question though. Would you mind sharing more about where you were able to contact these girls and your approach? I too will be heading into Tokyo in over a week, so I'd like to get started setting up potential dates.Well, I am certianly no expert by any means but just being confident and pushing things a bit farther than I usually do was easier and more successful that I thought. Certainly more successful than it would be in US.

Anyway, to answer your question on the email prep prior to my visit - I grabbed a Metropolis the last time I was in Tokyo and responded to a few personal ads while back in the states to set things up.

[Long Deep]

Tooldforthis,

Great report on your tokyo trip. Do you mind leeting me know what dating site you used or rather do you use? Would be glad if you can share this information.

[AussieGaigin]

Well, I am certianly no expert by any means but just being confident and pushing things a bit farther than I usually do was easier and more successful that I thought. Certainly more successful than it would be in US.

Anyway, to answer your question on the email prep prior to my visit - I grabbed a Metropolis the last time I was in Tokyo and responded to a few personal ads while back in the states to set things up.
I can concur that it is so easy, I have had similar experiences myself. My last visit to Japan was a few years ago now, but I placed an ad in Metropolis prior to my trip, and got quite a few replies to choose from.

I spent over 20 years working in the Japanese inbound tourism industry in Australia, so I had access to lierally hundreds of thousands of J girls. I mananged to develop nampa skills (without actually realising there was a name for this "art") from the comfort of home in Sydney, and hey! most of the time I was getting paid to do it!! I might expand on my "adventures" sometime in the future.

[Backtobasics]

Anyway, to answer your question on the email prep prior to my visit - I grabbed a Metropolis the last time I was in Tokyo and responded to a few personal ads while back in the states to set things up.What was your approach when replying to ads? Almost of them now claim (yes ... claim) the gal is looking for Mr Right, and doesn't want any games.

I gave up on Metropolis a long time ago - but if would care to let me know how you initially get round these 'conditions', I will start tapping into that handy resource again.

[Jogabonito]

Hey guys. Have any of you had success with craigslist Tokyo?

There are not many postings, but I sent out about 10 emails last night and I got one back already, so this could be a good find. We'll see how it turns out.

Also, do you guys have any advice on the cold approach during the day, be it on the streets or in a cafe?

And any luck with free internet nampa sites? I don't really want to pay for AFF or any of the others.

Thanks all.

--ケイーくん

[Nino]

hey guys. have any of you had success with craigslist tokyo?

there are not many postings, but i sent out about 10 emails last night and i got one back already, so this could be a good find. we'll see how it turns out.



did you tell them that you are ****?

[Jogabonito]

did you tell them that you are ****?no, i turn 18 in like 3 weeks so i just plan on not seeing them until then, and then i will be "of age".

[Azure Knight]

What was your approach when replying to ads? Almost of them now claim (yes ... claim) the gal is looking for Mr Right, and doesn't want any games.

I gave up on Metropolis a long time ago - but if would care to let me know how you initially get round these 'conditions', I will start tapping into that handy resource again.
I also have been replying to ads on Metropolis online, but haven't had much luck yet.

I'll be in Tokyo next week, starting to run out of time to set things up beforehand.

[Tooldforthis]

I also have been replying to ads on Metropolis online, but haven't had much luck yet.

I'll be in Tokyo next week, starting to run out of time to set things up beforehand.I just reply with polite response and I attach a pic. I am decent looking, light haired caucasian guy so I think that helps sway some JP girls. Anyway, a couple girls who posted looking for 'friendship' and 'drinks only' turned out to be married women looking for a little romance. Interesting. I also posted myself and got a couple initial replies but nothing decent so far.

[AussieGaigin]

What was your approach when replying to ads? Almost of them now claim (yes ... claim) the gal is looking for Mr Right, and doesn't want any games.

I gave up on Metropolis a long time ago - but if would care to let me know how you initially get round these 'conditions', I will start tapping into that handy resource again.
It would suggest that you be honest, and tell the girl that you are coming for a short time and would like to meet someone to help you find your way around: Meet for coffee/meal/drink after work, sight seeing. some language/ culture exchange, etc. Japanese are usually keen to make a good impression and provide help.

She might be looking for a long term relationship, but this doesn't necessarily mean she will knock back a quickie in the meantime. If you can present yourself properly, you can be in with a chance !! I presume you have some basic skills in chatting up women??

Playing in any "meet market" can be a slow process, but if you are persistent you will get results.

[Topos]

No, I turn 18 in like 3 weeks so I just plan on not seeing them until then, and then I will be "of age".

In Japan you must be 20 to be of age, so you still have 2 years to wait.

The Legal age of adulthood in Japan is 18

This is Japan

Topos

[Topos]

I also have been replying to ads on Metropolis online, but haven't had much luck yet.

I'll be in Tokyo next week, starting to run out of time to set things up beforehand.

I have been here 6 years and reply in a batch to metropolis periodicly and have never got a decent reply.

Many are just looking for a husband.

many say no games

I usually try twice a year just sent off some replys last week....not holding my breath


Topos

[Xepher]

Hello everyone,

I am new to this forum, and there are some many useful infomation about nampa that I spent weeks reading from beginning to the end!

However, I still have some questions about online nampa,

1. What do you put into your online profile?

2. What do you write in your first email? How do you follow up afterward?

Please PM me or reply here,

Thank you all.

[Jogabonito]

In Japan you must be 20 to be of age, so you still have 2 years to wait.

The Legal age of adulthood in Japan is 18

This is Japan

ToposAhh right right. But isn't the age of consent something crazy like 13? Which makes it legal, and I'm not gonna lie about my age.

Anyways I was just trying to throw in my 2 cents. If you guys don't want it that's fine.

Oh and one more suggestion for online nampa. Facebook's "are you interested" application. Check it out and you'll see why.

[Topos]

ahh right right. but isn't the age of consent something crazy like 13? which makes it legal, and i'm not gonna lie about my age.

anyways i was just trying to throw in my 2 cents. if you guys don't want it that's fine.

oh and one more suggestion for online nampa. facebook's "are you interested" application. check it out and you'll see why.

well you may be under the impression that 13 is the age of consent, and thats just a rumor, i would check with a lawyer first.

i would never consider a 13year old anyway

i`m just wondering because i see reports in the newspaper of men being arrested for paying 16 year olds for sex saying they are ****.

and the age of consent and the age of adulthood are quite different.

topos

[Nino]

Ahh right right. But isn't the age of consent something crazy like 13? Which makes it legal, and I'm not gonna lie about my age.

Whatever. In any case, you should not hang out at an internet forum called "International Sex Guide".
You should go to school, and if you find a girlfriend, fine. But do keep it safe.

[Jogabonito]

Whatever. In any case, you should not hang out at an internet forum called "International Sex Guide".

You should go to school, and if you find a girlfriend, fine. But do keep it safe.Alright I hear you guys.

If that's how you all feel I'll leave this place alone.

Happy nampa-ing and peace.

[Basementcello]

To all those guys who have had any success using deai websites or bulletin boards, I need some advice.

Recently, I have been trawling through acres of spam and scam websites to try and contact some of the real Japanese girls who are looking for a simple hook up or a compensated date in and around Tokyo. I think some of the guys (Nino, Azureknight etc.) have had some success with this and this has spurred me on to give it a try. Basically, am I right in thinking:

1. Any website that has "pay for points to email" girls are like scams?. I get literally hundreds of emails form these sites trying to get me to reply.

2. Any website where you register for free, and then recieve emails from other sites are also scams?

3. Free deai bulletin boards are the way to go?

How did you manage to sort out a good deai date? I shall report in full on any success soon.

[Nino]

To all those guys who have had any success using deai websites or bulletin boards, I need some advice.

Recently, I have been trawling through acres of spam and scam websites to try and contact some of the real Japanese girls who are looking for a simple hook up or a compensated date in and around Tokyo. I think some of the guys (Nino, Azureknight etc.) have had some success with this and this has spurred me on to give it a try. Basically, am I right in thinking:

1. Any website that has "pay for points to email" girls are like scams?. I get literally hundreds of emails form these sites trying to get me to reply.

2. Any website where you register for free, and then recieve emails from other sites are also scams?

3. Free deai bulletin boards are the way to go?

How did you manage to sort out a good deai date? I shall report in full on any success soon.

Basement Cello:
Your points 1-3 are correct. I said the same before.
About sites, I mentioned two here already. Combined, they have so much traffic that they keep you busy already 24/24, if you just follow these two, so why would want even more?

[Basementcello]

Basement Cello:

Your points 1-3 are correct. I said the same before.

About sites, I mentioned two here already. Combined, they have so much traffic that they keep you busy already 24/24, if you just follow these two, so why would want even more?Just playing the field mate...By the way, I can't get deai.to to work. I get this forbidden message all the time. Do you know why that is or how to get around it?

[Nino]

Just playing the field mate...By the way, I can't get deai.to to work. I get this forbidden message all the time. Do you know why that is or how to get around it?

Works fine for me, no idea what "forbidden message" you are talking about.
Right now, the latest message is from a cutie, specs ２０ yo, １５７cm、８７ー５７－８3, missed her last train, ready to spend the night with for 5 man.

This type of message usually pops up after midnight. Boy, I wish I had more stamina and pocket money :-)

[Suica1234]

On Lion's recommendation I have decided to visit this wonderful Nampa thread. I never paid attention, or knew what it was, because my main focus was mongering and getting some nice head from Japanese cuties (score is 2/3, read my report on the Tokyo thread if curious).

I'm 22, Asian-American, just finished college in the US and I'm in Tokyo just to have fun for a few weeks with nothing attached. Problem is, I only have the money that I've been saving up from my part time job to spend, which isn't all that much. I can't afford to go shell out Y10, 000 every time I get horny and want some oral relieve.

I've literally went through about 40 out of the 60 pages in this thread, quite time consuming and I don't think I can find the answers I'm looking for. I was wondering if any of you Nampa-experts can help.

Honestly, I don't have that much nampa experience in the US to begin with. I've had quite a few semi-long term and long term GFs, but these just kind of fell in place because we always interact in school. I've always had a new GF soon after a breakup and I haven't really been single since I was a kid. I've never had to go out, play the game and "search" for pussy before.

But now I need to game up. I'm in the city with arguably the hottest girls in the world and I'm here no strings attached.

I speak zilch Japanese. I'm not a clubbing person (meaning it'll be counterproductive to go to Gas Panic and try to score). Like previously pointed out, I'm ASIAN-American so maybe the Japanese hotties aren't really interested. I'm pretty shy for my age. I came alone and have no friends here that can show me around the hottie areas. I don't think I'm good looking or a head turner, probably average. I don't know any of the places (LH, bars, good restaurants) to take out a "catch" since I've only been here for 10 days.

In a nutshell, I don't think I'm doing well to begin with.

Since I'm not really into clubs, I was thinking about just winging it in shopping areas and major train stations. I went to Shibuya last week and boy was there major HOTNESS just right outside the station. I really couldn't believe it. Same thing with the chicks inside the malls. I've read on this thread that the Shibuya chicks are probably not for us, but my motto is "If you don't ask, the answer is always no. " If I'm going to gamble with my embarrassing resume, might as well gamble higher.

So I've made up my mind to just play the innocent foreigner (though with Asian skin, major disadvantage) who pretends to be lost and try to ask for directions from a hot girl alone somewhere in Shibuya. If the chick somehow speaks English and seems remotely interested in me, I'll take the next bold step and ask her to show me around. Since I wouldn't know where to take her.

What are some things I should say to her? What should I avoid doing? If she seems interested to spend more time with me, what should I do? Am I being too paranoid and maybe I'm not as doomed as I see it? Is anybody willing to show a noob around town?

Thank you

[Suica1234]

Sorry I pressed the post button too fast, I actually have a few more questions.

What are the things that I should complement her on? I read in this thread somewhere (too long to remember where) that it's not good to complement her looks because she knows best herself that she's hot and is sought after.

How should I carry myself so I don't seem as nervous as I really am?

If somehow miraculously I succeed in seducing her, how would I pop the question to get her in a room and just let all my fantasies come true?

Any general pointers and hints?

Oh yeah, I don't mean to be rude but the duration of my trip doesn't allow me to use the internet systems to meet girls, so that's no cure for my initial nervousness. I'm also looking for girls around my age, I'm 22, so 18-23 perhaps?

Once again, thanks a bunch.

[AussieGaigin]

Sorry I pressed the post button too fast, I actually have a few more questions.

What are the things that I should complement her on? I read in this thread somewhere (too long to remember where) that it's not good to complement her looks because she knows best herself that she's hot and is sought after.

How should I carry myself so I don't seem as nervous as I really am?

If somehow miraculously I succeed in seducing her, how would I pop the question to get her in a room and just let all my fantasies come true?

Any general pointers and hints?

Oh yeah, I don't mean to be rude but the duration of my trip doesn't allow me to use the internet systems to meet girls, so that's no cure for my initial nervousness. I'm also looking for girls around my age, I'm 22, so 18-23 perhaps?

Once again, thanks a bunch.
If you don't have any experience in this part of the dating game, perhaps you should not be setting your sights on (what YOU perceive to be) the HOTTEST GIRLS. There are plenty of ordinary J girls around (you can avoid the fuglies) who will be more than happy to show you a good time if you play your cards right.

If you are not confident in "cold calling" a girl directly, you could try the "international parties" which occur in TYO on a regular basis.

As for complements, a good place to start is about her English skills, then perhaps her knowledge of America, her clothes; plenty of things to discuss other than her looks. Ask her questions that get her to talk about herself, her hobbies, Japan, Tokyo, culture, food, customs; look for cues in what she tells you.

Play dumb yourself. Ask her questions like why a lot of buildings have the touts outside; what are the "strange buildings that look a bit like like hotels" around Shibuya, etc; "Innocent" questions about the dating/mating scene will suss out her interest in participating herself.

If you are staying in a hotel that is visitor friendly, think up some excuse to get her to come back with you. Keep a stock of "omiyage" (small presents/ souvenirs) and offer to get one out of your suitcase for her; even just going back to "see if some important messages/ mail you are waiting for" have arrived, you can invite her to come with you for a couple of minutes.

Perhaps some other readers can add more.

[Two by Four]

Check out fastseduction.com

The basic premise is that you get the girl to associate good feelings and emotions with you. She wants more of those feelings and emotions and she is convinced she will feel that way when with you.

Of course if you look like Brad Pit you just have to stand there and the girls will be trying to get your phone nmber or go home iwth you on the spot....for the rest of us there is the art of seduction AKA nampa.

Good luck

2X4


On Lion's recommendation I have decided to visit this wonderful Nampa...

What are some things I should say to her? What should I avoid doing? If she seems interested to spend more time with me, what should I do? Am I being too paranoid and maybe I'm not as doomed as I see it? Is anybody willing to show a noob around town?

Thank you

[Zuluzinho]

Hi everybody

I'm a newbie on this forum and into mongering.

I fancy asian chicks and japanese chicks in particular.

However I' ve never been in Japan but hope I will soon enough.

I'm not and have never been a player. So no Nampa skills for me.

I read a few pages of this thread and mus confess I' m very jealous about some of you guys.

I wish I could accomplish only 5% of your exploits (for some of the posters).

Anyway thanks for sharing all the good tips for nampa. Though I doubt they could be usefull for somebody like me who has no skill at all in pulling up girls.

Who knows. I might try some of them in the future and even have some success. Whish this dream come true

Cheers

PS: sorry for my poor english I' m still learning.

[Sake Lover]

i don't want to annoy anyone, but i wanted to ask: regarding nampa for english-only visitors to japan via web-based introductions (personal ads and bulletin board bbs), are the best years behind us?

is it my imagination or were there more english-speaking j-women in 2003 and 2004 who were actively posting or responding to personal ads on websites like japantoday.com (linked to metropolis)? and were more j-women reading and posting on bulletin boards like tokyofriends?

i only visit japan (kanto region) a few times a year. each trip about 2 weeks. wow, it seemed so easier to meet j-women 5 years ago through such web introductions. of course, some of the meetings were strange, like the 'ginza' woman (who lived in kanagawa but expected to be wined and dined in ginza; i could envision claws on her) and the first-year university student who wanted to pretend that we were jack and rose from titantic.

i do read the forum, but i'm curious if anyone feels the same way. was it easier five years ago?

perhaps such 'web' introductions for nampa have been replaced with speed dating (i've never ventured) and web-based social groups like meetup.com
[example: http://newintown.meetup.com/610/ ].

best regards,

sake

[Evan Stoner]

I don't want to annoy anyone, but I wanted to ask: Regarding nampa for English-only visitors to Japan via web-based introductions (personal ads and bulletin board BBS), are the best years behind us? Couldn't disagree more. Tokyo Friends, Japan Cupid and their ilk make it easier than ever. Seems to be just your imagination. ES

[Asian Rain]

Any opinions/advice on GasPanic Shibuya? I have spotted two outlets. One on Center Street and one up Dogenzaka. How does is measure up with the Roppongi outlet? Any other advice on pickup bars in Roppongi or Shibuya/Shinjuku? Appreciate any advice.

Thanks,

AsianRain

[Harrybona]

Hi brothers!

Been 'lurking' around on WSG / ISG trying to figure out how to get some action in Japan.

Been traveling to Japan for 2 months at a time since last year. But being a field job, I'm never in one place for longer than 3-4 days.

-So can't join a language school to pick up Japanese

-Can't scope a place out and perfect techniques which require time

-Am not 'loaded' so looking for 'affordable' 'dates'

and lastly, am neither White nor East Asian featured. So even though I speak fluent English, I tried language exchange but couldn't 'cut it' with Nihonjin. And since I don't speak Nihongo, or Korean or Chinese or even Tagalog getting to all those girls is difficult.

Are there any other brown-sahibs on ISG who've been successful in Japan?

Wish I was black rather than brown, maybe then the J-girls would respond <dejected>

[Meiji]

Been traveling to Japan for 2 months at a time since last year. But being a field job, I'm never in one place for longer than 3-4 days.

-So can't join a language school to pick up Japanese

...

And since I don't speak Nihongo, or Korean or Chinese or even Tagalog getting to all those girls is difficult.Buy Rosetta Stone or some other sort of language software/tapes. Work on the language on the train/plane, etc.

[Member #3919]

I think you need this forum pua forum.com, or something similar.

Just talk to any girl you are comfortable with for the practice. It will do wonders for your confidence.

The asian factor will only matter if you let it.


Sorry I pressed the post button too fast, I actually have

a few more questions.

What are the things that I should complement her on? I read in this thread somewhere (too long to remember where) that it's not good to complement her looks because she knows best herself that she's hot and is sought after.

How should I carry myself so I don't seem as nervous as I really am?

If somehow miraculously I succeed in seducing her, how would I pop the question to get her in a room and just let all my fantasies come true?

Any general pointers and hints?

Oh yeah, I don't mean to be rude but the duration of my trip doesn't allow me to use the internet systems to meet girls, so that's no cure for my initial nervousness. I'm also looking for girls around my age, I'm 22, so 18-23 perhaps?

Once again, thanks a bunch.

[Two by Four]

I am doing research as to the average monthly cost of keeping a lover under the furin / papa type of arrangement.

A few years back I seem to remember a guy telling me he paid about 40,000 a month to his lover. This included sex 3 times a month and a week break for that special time of month. That seems about right.

Can anyone suggest a website?

[Homer69]

That's a cheap date in terms of yen but what about if either gets feelings for the other? Plenty of risk, headaches and potential disruption to routine.


I am doing research as to the average monthly cost of keeping a lover under the furin / papa type of arrangement.

A few years back I seem to remember a guy telling me he paid about 40,000 a month to his lover. This included sex 3 times a month and a week break for that special time of month. That seems about right.

Can anyone suggest a website?

[Jogabonito]

Hey guys

Butlers cafe has international parties like twice a month

2000 yen for all you can eat / all you can drink

Also, japanese people pay 5000 yen

So you get girls who want gaijin cock

I have gotten laid from there, and many people I know have too

Also, another site for nampa in japan is japanlair (dot)com

Have fun

[Fac50]

Hi all,

This isn't exactly 100% nampa related, but it seems like the best place to post the question.

I was in Tokyo and decided to go and see a hostess club as I'd never been there before. Got into an all Japanese club (seems like they don't usually take gaijin) and was talking to a few girls.

I ended up talking to one girl for most of the night and after the place closed she suggested that we go karaoke. From what I've read it seems like hostess girls just hang out and that's it, so I just enjoyed it for what it was.

She also mentioned that we should go to dinner the next night. I've heard of this as well from the forum that's it's like a pre-date to go back to the club. I don't plan on frequenting the clubs, but decided why not one more night (long story, but I was cool with 2 nights).

So we met and went to dinner, walked around a bit and then went to the club. There were times that she seemed pretty into things and other times when she seemed distant. Anyway, when we were talking at the club, she pretty much told me that I don't need to come there anymore to see her and that I can just call her and go out to dinner.

This was a little confusing to me cause I pretty much thought it was all business with the point to get me to continue to return to the club. I don't really think I'm her type, so any thoughts on if this is a potential situation or if I'm just going down the sucker road would be appreciated.

One other question, it seems like one of the best techniques to move forward is to initiate physical contact. When we were in the hostess club she mentioned her back hurt. I thought it would be a great opportunity to offer a massage. But then thought that since I'm in a standard kabakura that doesn't usually have gaijin, it probably wouldn't be a good idea as everyone would probably get the wrong idea. So I just let it go (I'm a team player here, I'm not gonna ruin things for everyone else). Was that the right move or did I miss the boat on that one?

Thanks for any advice

[Techrepjapan]

I'm curious. How much did all of this cost you so far?

I'm sure she never reached for her wallet.


Hi all,

This isn't exactly 100% nampa related, but it seems like the best place to post the question.

I was in Tokyo and decided to go and see a hostess club as I'd never been there before. Got into an all Japanese club (seems like they don't usually take gaijin) and was talking to a few girls.

I ended up talking to one girl for most of the night and after the place closed she suggested that we go karaoke. From what I've read it seems like hostess girls just hang out and that's it, so I just enjoyed it for what it was.

She also mentioned that we should go to dinner the next night. I've heard of this as well from the forum that's it's like a pre-date to go back to the club. I don't plan on frequenting the clubs, but decided why not one more night (long story, but I was cool with 2 nights).

So we met and went to dinner, walked around a bit and then went to the club. There were times that she seemed pretty into things and other times when she seemed distant. Anyway, when we were talking at the club, she pretty much told me that I don't need to come there anymore to see her and that I can just call her and go out to dinner.

This was a little confusing to me cause I pretty much thought it was all business with the point to get me to continue to return to the club. I don't really think I'm her type, so any thoughts on if this is a potential situation or if I'm just going down the sucker road would be appreciated.

One other question, it seems like one of the best techniques to move forward is to initiate physical contact. When we were in the hostess club she mentioned her back hurt. I thought it would be a great opportunity to offer a massage. But then thought that since I'm in a standard kabakura that doesn't usually have gaijin, it probably wouldn't be a good idea as everyone would probably get the wrong idea. So I just let it go (I'm a team player here, I'm not gonna ruin things for everyone else). Was that the right move or did I miss the boat on that one?

Thanks for any advice

[Fac50]

Hi Techrep

Yes, it was quite costly. And no, I didn't have to stop her from reaching for her wallet. Although she did seem concerned that the bill at the kabakura was getting pricey and it didn't seem like she was running up the bill at the restaurant and karaoke place.

Just to convince myself that I'm not a total tool, let's just say that I've had a recent combination of financial success and relationship frustration. I had budgeted a good amount of money for a p4p experience (2, 500 USD) (that's a testament to the relationship frustration. Believe me I was planning to use the whole damn thing), and still have a good amount of it left, so I'm guessing the whole thing was about 1, 800.

Struck out completely in Nagoya (you can see the thread there) and for some reason when I got to Tokyo I got completely cold feet on the p4p thing. I don't know why I'm such a pussy but I just couldn't get past the potential STD thing. At that point I knew I wouldn't enjoy a p4p, so I decided to give the kabakura a try just so I could see what it was like.

I'm typically quite frugal, but when I budget for something, I have no qualms about spending the entire thing. Once the p4p thing was off the table, I decided to just see where things went. I had no intention of trying to get a date in the bar, but I just ended up liking that one person in particular. I was leaving Japan within 48 hours, had the money, and figured, why not go on a date with someone I was attracted to even if I knew it wouldn't go anywhere.

I realize this goes against all the fundamentals of nampa, however, I am a nampa-rookie and in my 30's. I didn't want to be the Chris Rock 'Old Guy in the Club' doing nampa on the streets, and I'm sure there would be a very high probability that even if I did go out and give it a shot I'd probably go down in flames anyway. So I sold out.

Everything pretty much went as I expected except that she genuinely seemed like she didn't want me to spend a lot of money in the bar, and that she wanted to see me without going to the bar. I suppose that there is the gold digging element, but she knows that I'm not uber-rich and that this money was earmarked for just going out, and it isn't something I regularly do.

Sorry to waste forum space, I'm not really familiar with native-Japanese women so I don't know if there is something to this or just a whole lot of nothing.

Thanks again

[Azure Knight]

Hi all,

This isn't exactly 100% nampa related, but it seems like the best place to post the question......
From what I know of the hostess scene, you're not getting special treatment. That's just how it works. You can continue to "date" her but she will expect you to foot the bill for everything, including the fancy restaurants you end up going to, and she will also expect you maintain the relationship by giving her expensive gifts.

If you just buy all the brand name stuff she wants for her, she doesn't need to directly get the money from you and go out and buy it herself.

If you do choose to go out to dinner with her, you can probably steer things in the direction of a love hotel afterwards. It'll be your reward for paying for all the nice stuff she'll get from you.

It will not be cheap, but if you have the money to throw around and you dig the girl I guess you can go for it. Just remember that she's still on the job even if she's not in the hostess club.

[Shomohin]

Bear in mind also that most hostesses have quotas, sometimes heavy, where they have to pay a penalty if they don't get a certain number of customers to come and request them. Also, they get bonus pay if they get men to take them to dinner before coming together to the club. This is called "dohan". The road is paved with the dead, penniless bodies of men who have chased after hostesses who led them on without any real prospect of consummation. On the other hand, I personally know two hostesses who each hit it off with one of their customers to the extent that they married them. If your gal really is willing to date you without trying to entice you to the club, then I would take that as a good sign. But in any case, if you don't have the money to play in the big leagues, proceed with all due caution.


Hi all,

This isn't exactly 100% nampa related, but it seems like the best place to post the question.

I was in Tokyo and decided to go and see a hostess club as I'd never been there before. Got into an all Japanese club (seems like they don't usually take gaijin) and was talking to a few girls.

I ended up talking to one girl for most of the night and after the place closed she suggested that we go karaoke. From what I've read it seems like hostess girls just hang out and that's it, so I just enjoyed it for what it was.

She also mentioned that we should go to dinner the next night. I've heard of this as well from the forum that's it's like a pre-date to go back to the club. I don't plan on frequenting the clubs, but decided why not one more night (long story, but I was cool with 2 nights).

So we met and went to dinner, walked around a bit and then went to the club. There were times that she seemed pretty into things and other times when she seemed distant. Anyway, when we were talking at the club, she pretty much told me that I don't need to come there anymore to see her and that I can just call her and go out to dinner.

This was a little confusing to me cause I pretty much thought it was all business with the point to get me to continue to return to the club. I don't really think I'm her type, so any thoughts on if this is a potential situation or if I'm just going down the sucker road would be appreciated.

One other question, it seems like one of the best techniques to move forward is to initiate physical contact. When we were in the hostess club she mentioned her back hurt. I thought it would be a great opportunity to offer a massage. But then thought that since I'm in a standard kabakura that doesn't usually have gaijin, it probably wouldn't be a good idea as everyone would probably get the wrong idea. So I just let it go (I'm a team player here, I'm not gonna ruin things for everyone else). Was that the right move or did I miss the boat on that one?

Thanks for any advice

[Fac50]

Hi all,

It looks like some of my posts are severely delayed or not coming up at all.

In any case, I won't waste any more bandwidth here as I think I have enough info for what I was looking for. But I'd like to thank everyone for their input.

[Azure Knight]

Fac50,

As a new member your posts have to be reviewed before they get posted up. Don't worry about it, all of us went through the same thing.

If you had the money for it and enjoyed it, then good for ya! I might have spent it a little differently myself but each monger follows his own road.

[Basementcello]

Hey Fac50,

I have first hand experience in chasing after hostess girls, but with mixed results. I posted on here ages ago about one particular smokin' hot one. After a night out with Japanese colleagues in a hostess club, I got the number of a half Filipino half Japanese girl there, and we hit it off as I am half Filipino myself. It is definitely true that they are paid extra to bring customers to the club and they are fined lots of their salary if they can't follow the rules.

As we hit it off, I made sure that I said to her on our first date that I wasn't interested in coming back to the club at all. She wasn't bothered by this, but when we saw each other, I of course, usually footed the dinner bill and the occasional small gift. To be fair though, she bought me some presents sometimes - cologne etc. Anyway, I digress (memories)... The point is to take it all with a pinch of salt.

Take it for granted that she is out to turn you into another customer. Don't waste too much cash going back and forth to the club, just try and see her outside only. If you have any chance, this will help you know. Also, even if you are plying her with dinners, don't assume she will get it on - hostesses work x number of hours every night with sleazy guys coming onto them, which makes bedding one of these men outside hours a rather unappealing option.

Having said that, friends of mine and I have bedded hostesses, particularly Columbian/Brazilian ones who are out boozing on their nights off. And the I just got a kiss from the half Filipino one, by which time all the effort was putting me off. If you want to find decent non-pro action, just nanpa is the way to go - street, bar, with friends whatever - just get charged up and do it. If you're feeling lazy, Deai dating websites are also a quick route to semi-pro action.

Happy hunting


Hi Techrep

Yes, it was quite costly. And no, I didn't have to stop her from reaching for her wallet. Although she did seem concerned that the bill at the kabakura was getting pricey and it didn't seem like she was running up the bill at the restaurant and karaoke place.

Just to convince myself that I'm not a total tool, let's just say that I've had a recent combination of financial success and relationship frustration. I had budgeted a good amount of money for a p4p experience (2, 500 USD) (that's a testament to the relationship frustration. Believe me I was planning to use the whole damn thing), and still have a good amount of it left, so I'm guessing the whole thing was about 1, 800.

Struck out completely in Nagoya (you can see the thread there) and for some reason when I got to Tokyo I got completely cold feet on the p4p thing. I don't know why I'm such a pussy but I just couldn't get past the potential STD thing. At that point I knew I wouldn't enjoy a p4p, so I decided to give the kabakura a try just so I could see what it was like.

I'm typically quite frugal, but when I budget for something, I have no qualms about spending the entire thing. Once the p4p thing was off the table, I decided to just see where things went. I had no intention of trying to get a date in the bar, but I just ended up liking that one person in particular. I was leaving Japan within 48 hours, had the money, and figured, why not go on a date with someone I was attracted to even if I knew it wouldn't go anywhere.

I realize this goes against all the fundamentals of nampa, however, I am a nampa-rookie and in my 30's. I didn't want to be the Chris Rock 'Old Guy in the Club' doing nampa on the streets, and I'm sure there would be a very high probability that even if I did go out and give it a shot I'd probably go down in flames anyway. So I sold out.

Everything pretty much went as I expected except that she genuinely seemed like she didn't want me to spend a lot of money in the bar, and that she wanted to see me without going to the bar. I suppose that there is the gold digging element, but she knows that I'm not uber-rich and that this money was earmarked for just going out, and it isn't something I regularly do.

Sorry to waste forum space, I'm not really familiar with native-Japanese women so I don't know if there is something to this or just a whole lot of nothing.

Thanks again

[Gaienmae08]

For some reason (probably facilitated by daytime trips to the supermarket) I have developed a fascination for older Japanese women (40+) and like to imagine there is a rich motherlode (hah) of "lonely housewives" looking for occasional interesting times with a "good looking" younger (mid 30s) foreign type such as myself.

Does anyone have any tips on things to do, places to go, ads to place (I'm located in Tokyo, Japanese no problem). I tried a couple of posts in deai. To a while back but got no responses and didn't pursue it further due to being otherwise occupied. (Note I'm not looking for the kind of neurotic woman who hangs around "International Parties" looking for a "white knight" who will sweep her off her feet; I know where to find no end of those)

[Soujourn]

As Japan ages more and more what once was a delicacy is now main fare. I'm talking about the nearly ubiquitous hitozuma or older woman - generally married, curious and horny.

So - where do you meet them? Everywhere. Trains, supermarket, recitals, clubs, pubs, izakaya, streets etc.

Let me relay a recent experience. I was at a small party with some friends. Most of the invited women were in their early 20's. Most of you would be drooling over even at a hostess club. But, what struck me were a couple of very attractive 'older women' , dressed to the nines, with bodies and accessory that only the finest salons in Tokyo could offer. Naturally curious, I parlayed. How do you approach them? Well, older women have been there and done that. In any country. They spend a vast percentage of their monthly income on looking younger. Flattery , naturally, came first to mind. But I really wanted to hook their interest with a deeper intention.

So, here was my game. First , I gave them a bit of what they wanted - 'ladies, you look absolutely stunning tonite' , ' and without a doubt at least 1 of you will come with me'. They looked a bit shocked at this - blushed, but I knew I had hit them square. And since I said to both at the same time, setup a bit of competitiveness. Then I left. You always need to play on the self worth of hitozuma. Approach - Intrigue - Leave. Keep doing this like jigging for squid. You really want to get them into an emotional frenzy. Am I good? or Not? Good? Not Good?. Hit them - then hit the young chicks. Come back and say you are bored with young women. But then leave quickly. Come back. Each time - build more physical contact. You can do this way faster than young women. Even to the point of hands up the skirts. Honestly. Its all apart of a nearly chikan game - which they, in their mind, are desperately awaiting.

Both of these lovely women confided to me that they are looking for foreign husband or friend. Preferably American. And they asked if I could introduce any friends to them. They are not unlike perhaps 30% of the older OL crowd and at least 50% of the already married Japanese woman.

You want some streetside tips? How about --- 'I'm shopping for my daughter and would like help. Do you know where I can buy a beautiful flower arrangement / Japanese gift / etc'. Go to the prowling places - we're talking Omotesandou, Roppongi Hills, Midtown, etc ... in the mall and brand shop areas. Hit the timing a little early - since they likely need to be home before hubby (7pm - 8pm) But not too early. If you are in the other areas -- then focus on hip lunch places. Hitozuma thrive on these - as well OL who dont have the budget to splurge on $150 dinner - but the $15 lunch plate from the same location.

Dress nice. How many time I posted this before. Actually, if you want to go casual, fine. But pleese, gentlemen, remember to wear some nice shoes and socks. If you do nothing else, do this. I have seen OL's /HZ's watch the shoe rack to see who steps in them. You can dress like a spartan - but for godsake invest in a vintage Gucci loafer or Roberto Cavalli. It will get you laid in Japan. I promise. especially with the 'older woman'.

Also - never forget the 5th and 25th rule. This is the common payday in Japan. And when the OL or wife can snag a little extra scratch and play. If it falls on a Thursday -- its best. Friday to weekend are game over for HZ.


S.

[Hobby Monger]

Sorry for my ignorance, but I have seen several references to "OL".

I cannot find an explanation for this in the abbreviations list.

Can someone please help a newbie out and clarify what this means?

Thanks!

[Sudsy]

Sorry for my ignorance, but I have seen several references to "OL".

I cannot find an explanation for this in the abbreviations list.

Can someone please help a newbie out and clarify what this means?

Thanks!

"Office Lady" - a low ranking female office worker. Very common in Tokyo, usually single and under 30.

[Echi Gaijin]

"Office Lady" - a low ranking female office worker. Very common in Tokyo, usually single and under 30.Not just in Tokyo. Japanese for female secretary/office clerk.

[Sake Lover]

Not just in Tokyo. Japanese for female secretary/office clerk.

I just wanted to add for those who don't live in Japan but visit, perhaps less often than I do. Office ladies in Japan are not necessarily like young secretaries in the U.S. who never went to a 4-year college.

OLs in Japan very often have university degrees but little chance for career advancement. Some of these OLs are quite bright, especially the bilingual ones that I've met. Their managers -- always male -- may rely on them heavily but keep them in their place.

This is Japan, after all. I'm still not used to being served coffee by an OL when I visit.

I had a secret 30-year old OL friend about 5 years ago at Sony in Shinagawa. She was university-educated, smart, hard-working, and spoke decent English. I got the impression that her boss relied on her input heavily. Yet, she could never get promoted as she was "just" a secretary or assistant.

[Gaienmae08]

As Japan ages more and more what once was a delicacy is now main fare. I'm talking about the nearly ubiquitous hitozuma or older woman - generally married, curious and horny.Thanks for the advice, and apologies for the delay in responding, shortly after my original post things went a bit crazy in Gaienmae08 world.

I have at least one lead I'm following up though, still at an early stage (email exchange) and might take some time to develop, but looking promising. I will post updates.

[Pita123]

Great information on this thread. I read about a third of it so far.

Last night I went to Tokyo Friends. It took me forever to find it as their directions sucked. Anyway, I noticed a J-girl playing wallflower and went over to chat her up. It was going well. She was 26 and somewhat shy. I'd set the stage for doing something afterwards. But before I made an explicit move in that direction I offered to refresh our drinks. Fateful mistake.

When I got back there were two Japanese guys talking to her. Eventually one of them left but he came back shortly with a J-woman. The J-woman and I had something in common so we talked a bit. Meanwhile I noticed that the guy was exchanging mobile numbers with the J-girl. Eventually the event ended and the woman and the guy said goodbye. The J-girl, however, was nowhere to be found.

[Azure Knight]

Ages ago, I made a profile on UB Love and pretty much forgot about it. I still occasionally get mail from there though. Any chance these are legit?

[AussieGaigin]

Is it possible to pick-up Japanese women if you don't know a lick of Japanese?

Anyone tried it?
Yes

Yes.

Most J girls have some basic knowledge of English and are more than happy to practice, and learn more, from an E speaking guy. How much success you have in that situation is up to you.

[Roaddog]

Ages ago, I made a profile on UB Love and pretty much forgot about it. I still occasionally get mail from there though. Any chance these are legit?


I haven't hit mine in about a year and all of a sudden I started getting some winks and mails here and there. The only thing is the Russians are heavy on there and they will spam the hell out of you trying to break you from your cheddar.

[Joe Nailer]

Is it possible to pick-up Japanese women if you don't know a lick of Japanese?

Anyone tried it?
They are not used to spoken English, but they can read because of their formal education in school. So write it down in a simple English if in difficulty.

[Berlin123]

Dear fellow mongers,

What would be the easiest option to get to know a Japanese girl in Tokyo?

I guess the girls are rather shy or reserved, so just using the usual chat up lines in a cafe, etc situation won't do?

How are your steps to secure a nice girly for a pleasure twosome with out investing too much time.

[AussieGaigin]

How are your steps to secure a nice girly for a pleasure twosome with out investing too much time.
Step 1: RTFF

[AussieGaigin]

The "rules" or techniques for picking up J-girls are the same as in any other country.

Just seems to be so much easier. LOL

[Drewtothedew2]

Is it possible to pick-up Japanese women if you don't know a lick of Japanese?

Anyone tried it?No, nobody has.

[Evan Stoner]

This is a shot from a day or two ago. The subject is a lovely, trilingual, late-20's girl from Beijing, who I met via passing her my meishi (business card) in a Tully's near my office while she was waiting for her coffee one morning. We went out (for lunch, coffee, dinner) a few times before I got this shot, but well worth it. Hot as hell, shaved, with an ass that won't quit. Well into sex in public, I might add... a plus in my book.

What else can I say. Enjoy.

ES

[Evan Stoner]

Another victim of the ever-subtle pick-up line: "Excuse me ma'am, but you seem to have dropped this as you passed me. No? Ah, on closer inspection it appears to be my business card. Well, here you go. Nice to meet you, and give me a call sometime ;-)".

Cheesy? Yes, but easy, and more effective than you'd think.

This 29-year old works for a quasi-government agency. Very, very pretty, tall and hot with a slightly larger than normal ass -- which I appreciate, as you can tell by the spank marks. Has her own place in Chiba, which although somewhat far is great for quiet drunken weekends together. I forgot to mention she loves sex, sake and wine, and can hold her liquor. I would consider marrying her, if she didn't have the maturity of a ten-year-old. Oh, well, nobody's perfect... I'll concentrate on the ass.

ES

[Tokyo Nampa King]

Whats up guys, I've posted this on other forums but I recently began lurking here and I thought it would be a nice intro to my style.

Actually I'm meeting this honey in about 20 minutes for lunch and afternoon delight. I will be sure to get some pics to post up.

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So for the last year or so there has been this stunning J babe with huge titties and a killer ass on my train. Like every single day we are on the same train, and we get off on the same stop.

So like 3 weeks ago I shocked the hell out of her when I we got off the train I tapped her on the shoulder and said "Ohaiyo gozaimasu". She smiled and then returned the greeting.

So I didn't say anything else, just walked on my merry way.

2 days later we were on the same train again and as we going up the escalator I said the same, but then I mentioned in Japanese that we are always on the same train and I have been dying to ask her out, but never had the courage (flattery and innocence do wonders for gaijin nampa). She laughed and I asked her name. Her name is Rira.

So anyway I asked her if I could take her to lunch, she said she couldn't leave the office during lunchtime. So I asked what time she finished and she said around 7:30 or 8:00. I said cool and asked her if she likes Thai food. She said she LOVES it. So we agreed to meet near the station and go for some Thai.

That night we met and after finishing our dinner (much conversation/ laughter/light flirting/establishing body contact) I told her we should go get a drink. She said she would love to.

We walked up to the Roppongi HUB, and during that time I laid one of my traps. I told her I was going to kick her ass in darts (she said she could play well, which she could). So while drinking and playing darts I made a bet with her. I said if I won the round she would owe me a 2 minute "nice" kiss. She laughed and asked what can she win. I replied "Anything you want" and she said she wanted a nice dinner at the Oak Door (one FUCKING hella expensive restaurant in Roppongi Hills). I said fair enough, and proceeded to kick her ass in dart.

So in the walkway up to the street I got my "winnings", damn that was one hot kiss, and a nice feel up of those titties I had been dying to touch for ages.

So I asked her if we could both get up early next week and have breakfast together (we both start work around 9:30) and said it sounds great, but where will we eat?

Well. I have the keys to my office at all times and noone comes in until around 9:15. 9:30. So I said lets go the convenie and get something and eat it in the meeting room. She said it sounded fun, so this morning we met near my office at 7:30am. Went to the convenie and she said she just wanted a coffee and small sandwich. I got the same. When we got to my office I unlocked the meeting rooms and we went inside.

After 3 minutes or so of small talk, we were all over each other. She was wearing this low cut flower dress and heels which immediately came off, while I was trying to get my dress shirt off. She got on her knees and gave me a nice BJ, rubbing her tits all over it. Damn that was hot. I then bent her over the meeting room table and banged the hell out of her. The we were on the floor and she was riding me, those monsters I had been dreaming about just bouncing.

After we were done, we ate our sandwiches and decided to go for a walk and look at the Sakura (it was now about 8:45). We walked up to Tokyo Tower to the temple there and talked about everything.

Next time we are going to a love hotel in Kabukicho, should be fun.

Damn I am feeling lucky as hell, I should go buy one of those daily lottery tickets.

[Tokyo Nampa King]

Whats up gentlemen. Well I scored some photos from todays fun, and I think you will approve. While it took some prodding and pleading from Ms. Rira, finally she said OK and let me take a few pics (of course this was after our 2nd round).

Man what a day for Nampa King today. I did this girl every which way to Sunday and she loved every second.

After a subdued lunch in a classy restaurant, I brought her to Kabukicho and walked her straight into the love hotel of my choice (Hotel Listo for those of you who know). She was down, even helped pick out a room.

Once inside we relaxed with some sho-chu (no need rushing things) and then got down to business.

Here are the pics

[Patrick3]

I am a new comer in Tokyo and would like to know some places where I can find amator women able to do some escort full service?

Not via an official agency but in the street or in some famous place.

Is any body knows about it?

Thanks for help,

Patrick

[Tokyo Nampa King]

I would be pimping her out myself.

By the way I seriously doubt this belongs in the Nampa Thread.


I am a new comer in Tokyo and would like to know some places where I can find amator women able to do some escort full service?

Not via an official agency but in the street or in some famous place.

Is any body knows about it?

Thanks for help,

Patrick

[Lion]

I am a new comer in Tokyo and would like to know some places where I can find amator women able to do some escort full service?

Not via an official agency but in the street or in some famous place.

Is any body knows about it?

Thanks for help,

Patrick

Just go to any famous place in Tokyo and ask women (in English of course) on the street for full service, just like you would in New York, London, or Sydney. I am sure you'll have lots of interesting reactions, and you might even score if you flash 100,000 or more in their face.

By all means let us know how it goes.

[Lyraus]

Tokyo Nampa King, great report and picks. She looks like a real beauty.

Post some more stories and pics if you have them!

Good stuff.

[Topos]

Whats up gentlemen. Well I scored some photos from todays fun, and I think you will approve. While it took some prodding and pleading from Ms. Rira Here are the pics


If you ever get tired of her or want to move on.

Maybe you might consider passing on her details (With her approval of course)

Love the photo`s, what a rear view, WOW

Topos

[Evan Stoner]

Here's a list of what you'll need:

1 barrel
1 shotgun

(Japan provides the fish)

Got to the office late this morning, and took a cab. While I'm paying the cabbie I see a cutie walking by. So I chase her down (INTO her office building lobby) and breathlessly offer the old line, in Japanese: "Excuse me ma'am, but you appear to have dropped this" while placing my business card in her hand. Long story short, she sends me an email a few hours later:

Hi ES,

Thank you for your business card this morning!
I am glad to meet you.

Please decide restaurant for lunch tomorrow.
I can go anywhere around here.

By the way, please allow me to introduce myself a little bit....
I'm 38years old. I work for [a big JP company] about 18years. .

I love a travelling. Especially Bali Island in Indonesia. Maybe I'll go to Bali in GW too.
My hobbies are Salsa and Pole dance(like a fitness)

How about you?

[her name]

ESさん
メール、日本語でも大丈夫ですか？

[her name again]

So, was I born under a good sign or hwhat? A pole-dancer?! Seriously. By the way, that's not a cute way of her saying she's a stripper, it's actually an exercise technique as some of you know -- go figure. 38 is a little older than I prefer, but she looks 30 and she is FIT. I'm all over that. And a lunch date with a hottie for 60 seconds of effort? Really?? Excellent.

Fill 'er up and pass the gun, Taro.

ES

[Gaienmae08]

Can anyone jog my memory - there was a blog I used to follow a couple of years back (2005 - 2006 timeframe) by some guy in Tokyo describing his various exploits and giving some useful tips. I can't for the life of me remember what it was called, but it was pretty well-known at the time. I'm not sure whether it was updated much after that, I seem to recall the last few posts being general PUA-type theory blah.

Note: I don't mean the now defunct "Drunk Nanpa" blog.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

[Azure Knight]

Can anyone jog my memory - there was a blog I used to follow a couple of years back (2005 - 2006 timeframe) by some guy in Tokyo describing his various exploits and giving some useful tips. I can't for the life of me remember what it was called, but it was pretty well-known at the time. I'm not sure whether it was updated much after that, I seem to recall the last few posts being general PUA-type theory blah.

Note: I don't mean the now defunct "Drunk Nanpa" blog.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?
Amanojack? I think that's a lot older than 05-06 though.

[Gaienmae08]

Amanojack? I think that's a lot older than 05-06 though.

That's the one! Been bugging me for a few days, just couldn't remember the name or anything resembling the title / URL. I don't know how old it is, but 2005/06 was when I first came across it.

Still relatively active by the looks of things.

[Moscow Man]

Hi All,

I’ve got a situation and I am hoping that those with more experience with Japanese females can give me some tips on how to succeed.

Here’s the skinny. I have been living in Tokyo for a year now. Since my arrival, I have been too busy with work to find a proper girlfriend. I have picked up quite a few Japanese girls in Bars. Almost always "One Night Stands" with a few second times at bat.

Lately, I have been really "keen" to Nampa a girl off the street. About a week ago, I casually asked a girl on the subway for some directions. She was extremely sexy and dressed like she was an attorney (or at least like she was an attorney’s assistant). She was only about 25. She exited the train at the next station and ran to check the posted timetable. I was a stranger and appreciated that she went out of her way to help. Anyway, we continued talking which led to the predictable exchanges of contact info and we agreed to meet for dinner and a movie.

A few days later we met at 3PM. We stopped at the cinema to purchase some tickets. Our first choice was "Slumdog Millionaire. " The next show time was like more than 4 hours away. Too late for her schedule. Our next choice was "Burn After Reading. " Same situation. She was curious about "Milk. " So, we opted for that. We had two hours to kill. So, I took her to the T. G. I. Fridays in Shibuya. Bad idea. Turns out it doesn’t open until 6PM. Next we tried Watami. Same problem. Doesn’t open until 6PM. We were running out of time.

Finally, had to opt for fuckin’ McDonalds. Not exactly a way to impress the ladies. Next, we went to the cinema where we watched Sean Penn French Kiss James Franco for an eternity. It didn’t exactly put her in the mood. After the movie, we said our goodbyes. All in all, a pretty platonic evening.

I called her the next day and we arranged to meet at 9PM. This time, everything seemed to go off without a hitch. We went to T. G. I. Fridays. Had a good meal. Went out for coffee and we ended up in a relatively cozy bar in Shinjuku. We chatted and had a few drinks. I bought her first shot of Tequila for her. I started rubbing her neck. This soon escalated into a back massage and soon we were doing some light petting followed by some kissing and she was starting to get really excited. I told her "Let’s go. " I paid the bill and we quickly left.

Now, I have read on this very board that you should not give J-Chicks the option of going to a "Love Hotel. " You should just lead the way and they will follow. That is not really in my nature. Not my style so to speak. But I thought I would give it a try. As luck would have it, there was a love hotel just around the corner. I took her by the hand and we walked around the corner. We started to walk into the hotel. Then she realized where we were going and she immediately put the brakes on with a, "No. No. No. " I turned around and stepped away from the hotel door. I pulled her to me and held her. I kissed her a bit. I kissed on her on her neck and she just started to tremble and moan. I told her that I really liked her and that I just wanted to alone with her a few minutes.

It worked! I took her by the hand and without any reluctance she followed me into the hotel. God Bless you Nampa Message Board! I’ll never ignore your advice again! In my mind, I heard a voice screaming "YES! " This was going to be awesome. I fully intended to bang the hell out of this chick. I stepped up to the counter and slapped my money down.

For dramatic effect, the voice of the clerk skips a beat and says, "Sorry, no vacancy. " The voice in my head began screaming, "Noooooo! " I thought fast and remembered a giant hotel sign about 20 blocks away. Surely, they have a vacancy. She dutifully walked arm and arm with me. We finally arrived only to discover that it was a fucking "Capsule Hotel. " We searched around and finally found another love hotel. But by this time, it was too late. She had to work in the morning and had to catch the last train home. I could have stalled and she would have missed the last train and then we would have had to find hotel.

But, I decided to be a nice guy and surrendered peacefully. We went home on the train. I got off at her station. We started making out in the Subway Station. She started gently moaning and her body started twitching again. I even placed her hand on my cock and she didn’t take it away. I thought to myself, "Damn, she’s horny! " Kissing her on the neck seems to be her "Aquille’s heel. " She seemed pretty oblivious to the half dozen or so people walking around us. I tried to go back to her apartment where she conveniently lives alone. However, she was adamant about not letting me come back to her apartment. I’m sure it had at least something to do with the place being a Pig Sty.

On the way home, she called me to let me know that she was home safe. Then she told me that was still in love with her ex-boyfriend (who had dumped her a couple months back) and then she dropped the old line about how maybe it would be better if we were just "good friends. " I told her that I wanted to be more special than just a "friend. " I told her that I want to see her again and that maybe we should slow down a little. (Yeah, right! ) She said that she would think about it and we ended the conversation pretty amicably.

My general feeling is that she hasn’t closed the door completely. For my part, I don’t have any emotional attachment to this girl. I just want a Japanese girlfriend that I can bang on a regular basis.

My plan is NOT to call her. At least, not for a few days. Ideally, she will be the one to call or e-mail me. If I can get her to agree to see me again and if I can get a few drinks in her, that will be all she wrote.

Anyway, I want to entice this chick to see me again. I was hoping that some of the board members with more (or similar) experience with the mentality (or lack thereof) of Japanese chicks might share with me what worked or what didn’t. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

Next time, I’m going to make a fucking hotel reservation!

Moscow Man

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[Evan Stoner]

Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Next time, I’m going to make a fucking hotel reservation!To be honest, you may be done once the girl has pulled out the "still in love with my ex" line over the phone, but good luck to you. Having said that, you need to use this as a learning experience. If you've lived in Tokyo for a year, there really is no excuse for not being able to find an open love hotel in [Shinjuku]. This is what we're talking about: http://h.dixy.jp/search/railroad/as/6/sh/T20.html. Study and learn.

Also, being the "nice guy" and "surrendering peacefully"? Really? You might want to take a step back and figure out if you really know what you want. If it is what you say it is, then that's not the way to go about getting it. There's a way to be strategic/persuasive and still be a gentleman at the same time.

ES

[Techrepjapan]

On the way home, she called me to let me know that she was home safe. Then she told me that was still in love with her ex-boyfriend (who had dumped her a couple months back) and then she dropped the old line about how maybe it would be better if we were just "good friends.

My general feeling is that she hasn’t closed the door completely. For my part, I don’t have any emotional attachment to this girl. I just want a Japanese girlfriend that I can bang on a regular basis.

My plan is NOT to call her. At least, not for a few days. Ideally, she will be the one to call or e-mail me. If I can get her to agree to see me again and if I can get a few drinks in her, that will be all she wrote.

Moscow ManI have to say, you're done. The line she gave you, I've heard that before. Your idea of not calling her and waiting for her to call you, she won't. Been there, done that. You had your chance, it's gone. Not being able to find a hotel? Are you serious?

[Moscow Man]

To be honest, you may be done once the girl has pulled out the "still in love with my ex" line over the phone, but good luck to you. Having said that, you need to use this as a learning experience. If you've lived in Tokyo for a year, there really is no excuse for not being able to find an open love hotel in Shibuya. This is what we're talking about: http://www.371919.jp/main.html. Study and learn.

Also, being the "nice guy" and "surrendering peacefully"? Really? You might want to take a step back and figure out if you really know what you want. If it is what you say it is, then that's not the way to go about getting it. There's a way to be strategic/persuasive and still be a gentleman at the same time.

ESIf you read my post, you will see that we were in Shinjuku. If there's a similar map of Shinjuku, I'd love to see it.

As for your other comments, WTF?

"Take a step back? "

"know what I want? "

Are you an idiot? All the "persuasive" talk in the world is not going to change the fact that she has to go home. She has a real job and a real career. It's not like she works at Starbucks and can just show looking like she slept in her clothes.

Bad "strategy? " Maybe? But we are talking about sex. It's not I must succeed at all costs. Not getting laid sucks. But it's not the end of the world.

If you insist on making comments like this, how about some suggestions on what you would have done. After all, we know what happened and how it turned.

What would you have done?

Moscow Man

[Sudsy]

What would you have done?

Moscow Man

As Sun-Tzu said... "those skilled in war bring the enemy to the field of battle and are not brought there by him." Choose your locale ahead of time with your course of action in mind.

If you read the post in the photo forum from James M.:


I strategically booked the restaurant close to a love hotel I know and after drinks I said let's go for a walk. I assume the sale and walk her right into the LH.

Perfect example. If you want to be successful at nampa, you should get to know a restaurant or two and a few bars that are conveniently located near several love hotels.

[Hitori De]

If you read my post, you will see that we were in Shinjuku. If there's a similar map of Shinjuku, I'd love to see it.

As for your other comments, WTF?

"Take a step back? "

"know what I want? "

Are you an idiot? All the "persuasive" talk in the world is not going to change the fact that she has to go home. She has a real job and a real career. It's not like she works at Starbucks and can just show looking like she slept in her clothes.

Bad "strategy? " Maybe? But we are talking about sex. It's not I must succeed at all costs. Not getting laid sucks. But it's not the end of the world.

If you insist on making comments like this, how about some suggestions on what you would have done. After all, we know what happened and how it turned.

What would you have done?

Moscow ManHer behavior sounds like a 'no' to me given my experience with J-girls over a number of years. Stand to be corrected if you manage to swing it.

But. Don't let this get to you.

1/ You live in Tokyo so you are literally surrounded by tons of hot J-girls. I would let this one go and move on to the next target.

2/ Also, the comments on doing a bit more research/planning are fair but letting her go like that was the right thing to do on the facts you report (noting others' interpretation could differ).

Happy hunting

[Tokyo Nampa King]

You can't reserve love hotels. Sorry mate.

I have to say you did play a nice nampa, but if you didn't close her that night, it aint gonna happen. But NOW you have learned the power of the Nampa, you are on your way young padawan.

For love hotels anywhere in Tokyo study this: http://www.lovehomap.com/

But for Shinjuku here is the best piece of advice. There is a bar/restaurant in Kabukicho which has outdoor seating as well as indoor. Go down the main gate, passed the big movie theatre until you reach the T junctions (big Manzoku sign above) and go right. You will see the bar on your right.

I ALWAYS take bitches there for the night cap because if you want just 20 feet to the left and take a left where Hotel Listo (an AWESOME love hotel) there is a WHOLE STREET of Love Hotels. I mean at LEAST 30.

Well bro, live and learn and don't pay attention to some of the guys talking shit. Most of them don't have the balls to do what you did, even if you didn't close the deal.

Keep it up.

P. S I got a date about with a hot little thing I nampa'd in Roppongi 1 week ago. I plan to follow my own advice. I try and nampa a girl every day (even the days I have dates). It keeps your skills up and brings your approach anxiety down.

[Nampa Guy]

Hi All,

I thought fast and remembered a giant hotel sign about 20 blocks away. Surely, they have a vacancy. She dutifully walked arm and arm with me. .[/blue][/size]

The fatal mistake here was walking to the next hotel. Never walk anywhere past 2 min. Take a Taxi even if it is 5 blocks away. You ruin the mood and then you have had it.

[BionicMan]

I am no nampa expert at all, but let me add a few of thoughts with common sense.

a) I see Nampa not only as an approach but also as a short time affair (1 time...2 times...3 times? that's it, go with the next) - maybe someone can tell I am wrong or right.

b) what you plan now to do (somehow, under some form, establish a new encounter and so on) looks to me like starting a different kind of relationship. Not for nothing she said "I am still in love with my (ex) boyfriend".
I read this as "sorry mate, love prevails, I am not ready for a fuck only relationship"

c) despite all the above, do not underestimate the "lossing face" factor that reigns in the asian world. If you wait for her to call you, you will be waiting invain as in her mind, calling you after having sort of rejected you, is "loosing her face".

So despite all odds, if you still want to see her (to take her to a love hotel...ehmm...play your cards well as all her alarms will be on if she is not comfortable with the idea), try a phone call, just one to check how she is, long time not talking to you...period! Followed (if that call went well and she was not cold) a few days later by another invitation to TG Friday (and you check the damn love hotel locations! lol!).
You (especially her) return on the crime scene so your message will be through the lines...(ie she should see it as the rest will follow - in a better way - as that unlucky - for you - night)
All in all it is a bet... hit or miss... but wished to give you my two cents!

Keep us posted and...good luck!


Hi All,

I’ve got a situation and I am hoping that those with more experience with Japanese females can give me some tips on how to succeed.

Anyway, I want to entice this chick to see me again. I was hoping that some of the board members with more (or similar) experience with the mentality (or lack thereof) of Japanese chicks might share with me what worked or what didn’t. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

Next time, I’m going to make a fucking hotel reservation!

Moscow Man

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[Tokyo Nampa King]

whats up guys! so i pulled another sweet ass nampa which paid off last night. here's how it went down:

so last week i was walking to the bar after work in roppongi when i saw this sweet ass walking in front of me. as i sped up to see the front i was pleasantly surprised to see one hell of a rack. so i put my smile on and approached her and was like "hey, how ya doing, wanna go have a drink? " she laughed at the gaijin approaching her and was like "sorry i'm on my way to work". so i relied "how about another time, gimme your email (i never ask for phone # unless necessary). she she smiled and wrote it down for me.

we sent a few emails back and forth, and made a plan to meet for drinks last night. so we go to shinjuku and head to the bar. we are holding hands, a few sneaked touches here and there. i'm preppin her, testing the waters and feeding drinks.

so after about an hour i tell her lets go for a walk. she is like cool. i ask her while we are walking if she likes wine, she says she loves it. so i walk her down to a wine shop i know near the love hotels. we pick out a bottle and i walk her across the street and into the love hotel. never ask permission! just walk in, if she don't wanna go she'll let you know.

anyway peep the pics i posted to see the results.

peace!

tokyo nampa king

[Dynamics]

But for Shinjuku here is the best piece of advice. There is a bar/restaurant in Kabukicho which has outdoor seating as well as indoor. Go down the main gate, passed the big movie theatre until you reach the T junctions (big Manzoku sign above) and go right. You will see the bar on your right.

I ALWAYS take bitches there for the night cap because if you want just 20 feet to the left and take a left where Hotel Listo (an AWESOME love hotel) there is a WHOLE STREET of Love Hotels. I mean at LEAST 30.Do you know the bar's name? Can you post a map?

[BionicMan]

whats up guys! so i pulled another sweet ass nampa which paid off last night. here's how it went down:

so last week i was walking to the bar after work in roppongi when i saw this sweet ass walking in front of me. as i sped up to see the front i was pleasantly surprised to see one hell of a rack. so i put my smile on and approached her and was like "hey, how ya doing, wanna go have a drink? " she laughed at the gaijin approaching her and was like "sorry i'm on my way to work". so i relied "how about another time, gimme your email (i never ask for phone # unless necessary). she she smiled and wrote it down for me.

we sent a few emails back and forth, and made a plan to meet for drinks last night. so we go to shinjuku and head to the bar. we are holding hands, a few sneaked touches here and there. i'm preppin her, testing the waters and feeding drinks.

so after about an hour i tell her lets go for a walk. she is like cool. i ask her while we are walking if she likes wine, she says she loves it. so i walk her down to a wine shop i know near the love hotels. we pick out a bottle and i walk her across the street and into the love hotel. never ask permission! just walk in, if she don't wanna go she'll let you know.

anyway peep the pics i posted to see the results.

peace!

tokyo nampa king

great report!
and what a rack she has...indeed!

[Akbkenji]

First post!

So guys, does the whole business card thing really work? I don't know. It just sounds so cheesy to me. Would you recommend any cheap services that can produce business cards for me?

I'm Korean American, so I tend to blend in with the general Japanese public. I'm afraid to approach any Japanese girl, mostly because they'll probably think I'm some psycho Japanese dude who's stalking them.

[Joe Nailer]

...I’m sure it had at least something to do with the place being a Pig Sty.

This one sentence seems to describe about you well. Probably she sensed what you really are albeit what you were trying to make yourself to be.

[Moscow Man]

This one sentence seems to describe about you well. Probably she sensed what you really are albeit what you were trying to make yourself to be.Well, here’s my polite response.

Do the words "Confusing. Consider revising" sound familiar. Obviously, you are trying to insult me. You just lack the grammar skills to do so. It seems you are accusing me of misleading this girl by pretending to be something I’m not. How my use of the word "Pig Sty" comes into play is beyond me.

So, how would that go?

Let’s see. I am pretending to be a nice guy who wants to enjoy a good meal and pleasant conversation with her. In actuality, I am a scoundrel who wants to enjoy a good meal and pleasant conversation with her. And then fuck her. Yes, I’m pretty insidious. What kind of evil bastard would take a woman out to dinner in the hopes of fucking her at the end of the night? I’m so evil! BTW, you can look insidious up at dictionary.com.

While I may be evil, I think she figured out that I was trying to fuck her when we went to the hotel.

I’ll reserve my impolite response for private e-mail.

Moscow Man

[Dong Hi]

On the way home, she called me to let me know that she was home safe. Then she told me that was still in love with her ex-boyfriend (who had dumped her a couple months back) and then she dropped the old line about how maybe it would be better if we were just "good friends. " I told her that I wanted to be more special than just a "friend. " I told her that I want to see her again and that maybe we should slow down a little. (Yeah, right! ) She said that she would think about it and we ended the conversation pretty amicably.

Forget it. I'll think about it means no. Move on to the next one.

[Chengdude]

Do younger girls in Japan go for older foreign guys say 40-60 years old as much as they do in China. It seems the novelty of a white person makes it easier to attract young girls in China. I was wondering if because of Japan being more westernized and having similar incomes to the US, if girls there go for older guys as they often do in China? Or do they mainly stick to their own age groups?

[AussieGaigin]

Do younger girls in Japan go for older foreign guys say 40-60 years old as much as they do in China. It seems the novelty of a white person makes it easier to attract young girls in China. I was wondering if because of Japan being more westernized and having similar incomes to the US, if girls there go for older guys as they often do in China? Or do they mainly stick to their own age groups?

Provided your have the right attitude and the right technique it is possible for older guys to get younger J-girls. I was pulling in 20 year olds in my late 50s (they didn't know my age, but I passed off as 40 something so that may have helped. I had even older friends here doing the same thing).

[Evan Stoner]

Update of my courtship of the hot number I met whose hobbies include pole dance and salsa. She invited me to her pole dance performance a few weeks ago... a couple photos attached.

Verrry hot for a 38-year old.

ES

[Topos]

Whats up guys! So I pulled another sweet ass nampa which paid off last night. Here's how it went down:


Tokyo Nampa King

Question was your approach in english or Japanese


Topos

[Zcorps]

Question was your approach in english or Japanese


Topos

I can't answer that question, but it shouldn't matter. When I nanpa I tend to nanpa in Japanese, and it works great. However, one of the most successful guys I've met was some guy in his 40s who speaks no Japanese at all. He knows konichiwa and maybe 5 other words, but he picks up much more girls than anybody I've met. He's not handsome either.

[Backtobasics]

I can't answer that question, but it shouldn't matter. When I nanpa I tend to nanpa in Japanese, and it works great. However, one of the most successful guys I've met was some guy in his 40s who speaks no Japanese at all. He knows konichiwa and maybe 5 other words, but he picks up much more girls than anybody I've met. He's not handsome either.

He sounds like a clone of me ... apart from the success that is ...

[Evan Stoner]

Y'know, walking up to a really hot girl on the street in Tokyo chatting her up briefly then handing over your business card and going on your way is a really low % technique (although doesn't take much time/work). But it's the one in whatever (five/ten/twenty tries depending upon hotness?) response that makes it all worth it. I stopped a 20-ish really really hot girl on the street in Omotesando today, handed her my card and said give me a call let's go for a drink.

Just got a mail from her. Made my day.

While I was writing this, she called me. She's half-Japanese (Filipina mother) and a part-time hair model. We're getting together next Thursday. Sweet.

ES

[Techrepjapan]

She's half-Japanese (Filipina mother) and a part-time hair model. We're getting together next Thursday. Sweet. ESES,

I hope this turns into a successful event for you. Post photos, if possible.

TechRepJapan

[Evan Stoner]

I hope this turns into a successful event for you.TRJ, thanks. If things go well I will return with a report. If I crash and burn there will be a conspicuous silence.

ES

[Kerfuffle]

TRJ, thanks. If things go well I will return with a report. If I crash and burn there will be a conspicuous silence.

ESEs, your reports are always nice and inspirational, but methods eliciting phone numbers for callbacks can be tricky if one needs to use discretion with the keitai for personal reasons; there's sometimes a Catch-22 in that one would need to know and trust a girl well enough to feel confident she would understand and abide by these personal situations of her potential nampa suitor. Yet, unless said suitor dispenses a contact number on the spot (not just an e-mail address) for followup, it's sometimes a no-go. In such situations, discretion is the better part of valor, but it's still frustrating. Shogai nai, or are there better ideas for nampa when personal discretion needs to rule the day?

[Suedehead]

Shogai nai, or are there better ideas for nampa when personal discretion needs to rule the day?Try Skype Out.

[X Man]

To add to AG, about 40% of 30-40 J females are unmarried. Lot's of potential there as well. The last time I pulled a 20ish gal was over five years ago, but I'm still on the younger side of half a century.

X



Provided your have the right attitude and the right technique it is possible for older guys to get younger J-girls. I was pulling in 20 year olds in my late 50s (they didn't know my age, but I passed off as 40 something so that may have helped. I had even older friends here doing the same thing).

[X Man]

best (good?) piece of advice #2 for pre-love hotel antics in K-cho:

find the oddly named " " baseball / gameland center. The name escapes me for the moment. The stall at the far right has slower pitches. After getting all hot and sweaty, suggest something "relaxing".

X



But for Shinjuku here is the best piece of advice. There is a bar/restaurant in Kabukicho which has outdoor seating as well as indoor. Go down the main gate, passed the big movie theatre until you reach the T junctions (big Manzoku sign above) and go right. You will see the bar on your right.


P. S I got a date about with a hot little thing I nampa'd in Roppongi 1 week ago. I plan to follow my own advice. I try and nampa a girl every day (even the days I have dates). It keeps your skills up and brings your approach anxiety down.

[Evan Stoner]

Es, your reports are always nice and inspirational, but methods eliciting phone numbers for callbacks can be tricky if one needs to use discretion with the keitai for personal reasons; there's sometimes a Catch-22 in that one would need to know and trust a girl well enough to feel confident she would understand and abide by these personal situations of her potential nampa suitor. Yet, unless said suitor dispenses a contact number on the spot (not just an e-mail address) for followup, it's sometimes a no-go. In such situations, discretion is the better part of valor, but it's still frustrating. Shogai nai, or are there better ideas for nampa when personal discretion needs to rule the day?You are right, in that you need to judge the potential liability of giving out any (true) information. If you don't have a 'safe' number or mail address then that makes it difficult. If you do, then you can always get 'personal' cards printed up. I tend to just give out my business card. I don't recommend it if you care about your job... I don't have that problem :P But seriously, it's never caused me any problems -- so far, knock on wood. YMMV...

ES

[Markcarlton1]

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone would like to join me for a nampa expedition to Roppongi this Saturday night. Was planning on scouting round the usual places Motown, Gas Panic, Heartland, etc and then reporting back our experience here next week.

[Tokyo Nampa King]

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone would like to join me for a nampa expedition to Roppongi this Saturday night. Was planning on scouting round the usual places Motown, Gas Panic, Heartland, etc and then reporting back our experience here next week.Sorry bro but in Japanese that would be garu huntingu. Not nampa.

Traditional nampa is on the street. Hell anybody can pick up J girls in those bars. Now try picking a girl up on the train, or street and before the night is over you got her up in a love ho. Now THATs nampa my friend.

[Markcarlton1]

Sorry bro but in Japanese that would be garu huntingu. Not nampa.

Traditional nampa is on the street. Hell anybody can pick up J girls in those bars. Now try picking a girl up on the train, or street and before the night is over you got her up in a love ho. Now THATs nampa my friend.You're right of course. But I still feel there's a need to report on what is possible in Roppongi for a 40s male on the hunt on a Saturday night. We get a lot of hearsay but little in the way of actual experiences.

Also I'm not at all interested in gyaru. 30s or 40s Japanese women are my major turn on so that's what I'll be on the look out for this Saturday. Will report back!

[Tokyo Nampa King]

Why not start at the singles party at Quest; if you can't score there, you never will. Lots of 20s, 30s, 40s women looking for it. I can meet you there if you like:

Roppongi Int'l Friendship Sushi Party Aug. 1 (Sat.) 6:30-9:00pm Aussie Bar Quest. Sushi buffet dinner, salad, veggies, cheeses, breads, cake, etc. + open drink bar with beer. Ladies-Y3,000, Men-Y3,500 w/res. by Fri. (+500 going directly) 03-3281-4303, www.internationalparty.comThis is an advertisement, not a real comment. Ive seen this same "suggestion" on other forums damn near verbatim, and on CraigsList.

So unless they are paying the site for the advert, I suggest deletion.

[Lion]

This is an advertisement, not a real comment. Ive seen this same "suggestion" on other forums damn near verbatim, and on CraigsList.

So unless they are paying the site for the advert, I suggest deletion.I agree. He should post in the classified section (it is free anyway).

[Chocha Monger]

Something happened to me a recently that kind of has me perplexed. I thought I'd put it out there for you Japan experts and see what you think.

I made the acquaintance of this married 32 yr old Japanese woman in an organization that we both belong to. Her husband is American and he seems to spend quite a bit on her, buying her a nice car, ski trips, trips back to Japan, etc. He doesn't seem to be much older than her either. She is from Tokyo, very pretty and dresses trendy J-girl style.

We have spoken very briefly after meetings. We have each other's contact info but never really used it except for business reasons on rare occasions. She knows that I'm seeing another Asian chick. So a couple of days ago she asked if I would be at a meeting in the near future. I told her that I was planning to leave the US for a year, maybe longer. She got all sad looking and asked if this could be the last time we saw each other for a long time. I said yes. At that point she opened her arms and hugged me. She said that she wanted me to email her while I was overseas. But it was what came next that surprised me. She said, "I will be waiting for you."

Now, I can't ever remember doing or saying anything that would give her the impression of us being anything more than casual friends at the most. What do you guys think?

[Zcorps]

Something happened to me a recently that kind of has me perplexed. I thought I'd put it out there for you Japan experts and see what you think.

I made the acquaintance of this married 32 yr old Japanese woman in an organization that we both belong to. Her husband is American and he seems to spend quite a bit on her, buying her a nice car, ski trips, trips back to Japan, etc. He doesn't seem to be much older than her either. She is from Tokyo, very pretty and dresses trendy J-girl style.

We have spoken very briefly after meetings. We have each other's contact info but never really used it except for business reasons on rare occasions. She knows that I'm seeing another Asian chick. So a couple of days ago she asked if I would be at a meeting in the near future. I told her that I was planning to leave the US for a year, maybe longer. She got all sad looking and asked if this could be the last time we saw each other for a long time. I said yes. At that point she opened her arms and hugged me. She said that she wanted me to email her while I was overseas. But it was what came next that surprised me. She said, "I will be waiting for you."

Now, I can't ever remember doing or saying anything that would give her the impression of us being anything more than casual friends at the most. What do you guys think?

Sounds to me like Japanese tatemae. You might just be reading too much into it.

[Evan Stoner]

Sounds to me like Japanese tatemae. You might just be reading too much into it.Not much to be surprised at there. Did she grab your joint while she hugged you? If not, then you are reading too much into it.

ES

[Chocha Monger]

Not much to be surprised at there. Did she grab your joint while she hugged you? If not, then you are reading too much into it.

ES
No. She just ground her little box into my pelvis. Her English is bad so I figured she didn't know what she was saying anyway. I always thought that touching was taboo to Japanese. From what you guys say it isn't apparently when it comes to public appearances.

[Azure Knight]

I could use some advice. I have a profile on a social networking site. I keep a diary, and its mostly about sexual exploits and what not. Try to let everyone who visits my page know what I'm all about. One of my diary entries is about how I know this guy who teaches English to a girl, and instead of paying him with cash she goes with him to a love hotel. I say that's a nice set-up, and I'd like to have the same.

Anyway, I get a message from this girl asking me to teach her English. I replied that maybe I could, what kind of lesson was she looking for? I got this response.

日記èª*ã�¿ã�¾ã�—ã�Ÿ(*´∀｀*)
é�¢ç™½ã�„æ–¹ã�§ã�™ã�*。(笑)
���セフレ�嫌��。
彼��る�ら。
外人���������

(trans.
I read your diary.
Its pretty interesting OR I'll go for the interesting type. (This is ambiguous, she could be talking about my diary in general, or responding to my question)
I don't want a sex friend.
I have a boyfriend.
I want foreign friends.)

What do you think? The first two sentences lead me to think she's down, but the last three go in the completely opposite direction.

[Gaijin Otoko]

Well, I can't figure out what encoding the message used, so I can't see the original Japanese, but based on your translation, it seems quite clear to me that the forecast for this chippy is for an uninterrupted period of "uaintgettinany" for the foreseeable future. I can't tell you how to handle positive responses, but I have enough personal experience to tell you what a rejection sounds like. Sorry, friend.


I could use some advice. I have a profile on a social networking site.

<snip>

What do you think? The first two sentences lead me to think she's down, but the last three go in the completely opposite direction.

[Warbucks]

Something happened to me a recently that kind of has me perplexed. I thought I'd put it out there for you Japan experts and see what you think.

I made the acquaintance of this married 32 yr old Japanese woman in an organization that we both belong to. Her husband is American and he seems to spend quite a bit on her, buying her a nice car, ski trips, trips back to Japan, etc. He doesn't seem to be much older than her either. She is from Tokyo, very pretty and dresses trendy J-girl style.

We have spoken very briefly after meetings. We have each other's contact info but never really used it except for business reasons on rare occasions. She knows that I'm seeing another Asian chick. So a couple of days ago she asked if I would be at a meeting in the near future. I told her that I was planning to leave the US for a year, maybe longer. She got all sad looking and asked if this could be the last time we saw each other for a long time. I said yes. At that point she opened her arms and hugged me. She said that she wanted me to email her while I was overseas. But it was what came next that surprised me. She said, "I will be waiting for you."

Now, I can't ever remember doing or saying anything that would give her the impression of us being anything more than casual friends at the most. What do you guys think?

What do I think? I only lived in Japan for 8 months in 07 but I will tell you a woman in general will not touch you unless they got some type of sexual interest in you. Now you talking about Asia where women in general are raised to be conservative and not express themselves in a physical manner. When I was in Japan I would go out to some clubs and I would just wait until some Japanese girl came and touched me. Once they did I know it was on later that night. Trust me it happened without fail. Only thing though I was hanging out in Roppongi/Yokohama hip hop spots where a lot of “liberal” Japanese women go. As for this lady your talking about she sounds professional and conservative but I would still think she has some interest in you more than friends due to her unusually intimate behavior.

[AussieGaigin]

What do you think? The first two sentences lead me to think she's down, but the last three go in the completely opposite direction.
The fact that she has responded seems to indicate some curiosity in your proposal. Use of "interesting" might be a clue here. The mention of the boyfriend could be a test for you; she may simply be trying to not seem too keen at first.

I would be tempted to meet her, and get a better impression face to face.

[Lustforthrust]

......planning to leave the US for a year, maybe longer. She got all sad looking and asked if this could be the last time we saw each other for a long time. I said yes. At that point she opened her arms and hugged me. She said that she wanted me to email her while I was overseas. But it was what came next that surprised me. She said, "I will be waiting for you."

Now, I can't ever remember doing or saying anything that would give her the impression of us being anything more than casual friends at the most. What do you guys think?

This is a Japanese woman living in the States being American, but English is not her 1st language; what she meant was that she'll be waiting for you to email her while you are overseas.

If there was any sexual interest, it would have been apparent long ago, now you are firmly footed in the LJBF land.

LJBF = Let's Just Be Friends.

[Chocha Monger]

This is a Japanese woman living in the States being American, but English is not her 1st language; what she meant was that she'll be waiting for you to email her while you are overseas.

If there was any sexual interest, it would have been apparent long ago, now you are firmly footed in the LJBF land.

LJBF = Let's Just Be Friends.
Actually, there was some interest demonstrated before but I deliberately ignored and avoided it due to circumstances and possible consequences. From our conversations I'd definitely say that this girl likes to visit the gully side. Also, her husband is suspected of being a monger, possibly even an ISG member. ;)

She has always been the one seeking me out. Not the other way around. I already have a full stable. I am not averse to being just her friend because those relationships inevitably end up with the woman getting rooted by her friend the minute hubby makes her cry. At 32 yrs she is old by Japanese standards and he apparently wants more tender shoots. I've seen him looking longingly at the Japanese college girls attending social functions. He also wants to go back to Japan "to work." Yeah right! :D

[Shirokyu]

Something happened to me a recently that kind of has me perplexed. I thought I'd put it out there for you Japan experts and see what you think.

I made the acquaintance of this married 32 yr old Japanese woman in an organization that we both belong to. Her husband is American and he seems to spend quite a bit on her, buying her a nice car, ski trips, trips back to Japan, etc. He doesn't seem to be much older than her either. She is from Tokyo, very pretty and dresses trendy J-girl style.

We have spoken very briefly after meetings. We have each other's contact info but never really used it except for business reasons on rare occasions. She knows that I'm seeing another Asian chick. So a couple of days ago she asked if I would be at a meeting in the near future. I told her that I was planning to leave the US for a year, maybe longer. She got all sad looking and asked if this could be the last time we saw each other for a long time. I said yes. At that point she opened her arms and hugged me. She said that she wanted me to email her while I was overseas. But it was what came next that surprised me. She said, "I will be waiting for you."

Now, I can't ever remember doing or saying anything that would give her the impression of us being anything more than casual friends at the most. What do you guys think?Ultimately it is going to be about practical consequences, Japanese girls a much more practical about sex, and much less likely to be bleeding romantics in the long run. (1) it may just be flirtatious with no consequence, or curious about you (2) if something happens she may go for it and change your life and hers.

In Japan you can date bored married woman there is a special dating segment for this. Sounds like (1).

[The Black Rose]

Hi,

I'm a short time lurker (as of this morning) and first time poster, Foudn this section looking for somethign on google totalyl unrelated (forgot what it was) I just know I all of a sudden had a raging desire to meet some fine women and take them to an LH.

I've been in Japan for about a couple years now, had some women here and there but nothing like a steady flow of women, and I realy want to fix that.

Anyway I latched on to soujourners and Endoweds posts so if they can answer this (everyone else is welcome of course) that would be wonderful.

Ok So I went to roppongi last night at about 12 30, take a couple of side trips to find the Ass bar, and then to th elove hotel hotel ibis (if theres more I'll probably look them up later through the links provided in this section) got to the strip at abotu 2am and went to club 911 for about 30 minutes then went up to motown where I had intended to stay the rest of the night untill pulling out someone to the LH anyway it was a lot nicer than I expected, no trannys or suuuper old women (all the times I've been there its just walk in. See the tranny, walk out in shock and horror!) anyway I was dressed nicely in my regular club gear and caught a couple looks fro women as I got my drink, danced with this one chick who seemed interested but I got a bit nervous and I guess she felt that and *went to the bathroom, * (man chicks are sensitive, they feel your energy waning for a second and theyre out the door. Oh well) anyway.

Met these other two girls next to me, as per soujourners tips and both were intrested, one was pretty hot, the other one was cute, so it was a win for me and since I just read soj's tips abotu doing a 3p I figured Id try that, as I still haven't mastered the art of serperating chicks, anyway they were both into me dacning and feeling them up in a playful way (there were like two guy friends of thereis and someother dude that kept trying to makeout with the hot one so I couldn't do TOO much cuase then the hot one would kinda freak and move away. Then come back later as I was paying more attention to her friend basically sitting on my lap or grabbing me)

. Now at this point, you're probably thinking *TAKE THEM HOME* right? Yeah I was too, unfortunaltey the two cockblocking guy friends were there and the othe rdude. Anyway we were havin foun for a while and one by one the guy freinds started to leave.. THEN I tried to bounce them, first as we were talkin abotu food, asked them if they liked chocolate cake (I forgot to bring chocolate with me so I figured I would take them to almonds then to a lh or something). Of coruse they said yes, so I said ok lets go to xxx place to get some chocolate cake, then started to get up and leave. Then got the yadas and my stomach is full excuse. Ok so I chilled later, started askign them abotu singing and music, then to kareoke and did the same thing, but with karaeoke, *we just went yada*. Ok now this where it starts to fall apart. Or rather finish its failure:

I was pretty much running out of ideas, and running low on energy, wasnt frustrated or anything, I just decided to sit back an denjoy the rest of the time. Then this old japanese dude butts in and basically freaks them out and they leave. I go out with them (I should have gotten their numbers but. I just forgot and was trying to figure out how to get them back with me--probably the alcohol runnign the show at that moment) and they left me sayign were goign home. Bye.

I was stunned like wow wtf. And forgot to get their numbers. Oh well, went out to gas panic for abit till last train and didn't realyl come up with much besides a girl who was really keen on me and sober with her upset friend there but was cockblcoed by her boyfriend LOL oh well. Anyway

My questions.

Yes I know I forgot the chocolate that was my bad but other wise I felt I did pretty good, had lots of fun, the chick who I talked to earlier and fizzzled out with was lookin desperate to get in on the action she had missed by going to the bathroom, the time went fast and it was just very fun, the point I'm missing out on is gettign thei girls to the LH either for a 3p or seperating them

What should I have done to do these two things? What could I have done? The only options were to just either say lets go, and take them by the hand, which maybe I shoudl have done but honestly didn't have the balls for that, I will next time

Or should I have cut my losses, got their numbers and left after they rejected my offers to go somewhere else?

I probably wasted a lot of tiem I could have spent talkign to other women.

Anyway for omseone who didn't go out all summer (had some issues I ha to deal with) I guess I did pretty good. Save for the actually sexing them part. Oh well. Next time.

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[Basementcello]

Hello,

I hvae had many of the same problems. I otfen find that women say thtat I cannot express myself properljuy and thatt U am diffiult to understand.

Shame


Hi,

I'm a short time lurker (as of this morning) and first time poster, Foudn this section looking for somethign on google totalyl unrelated (forgot what it was) I just know I all of a sudden had a raging desire to meet some fine women and take them to an LH.

I've been in Japan for about a couple years now, had some women here and there but nothing like a steady flow of women, and I realy want to fix that.

Anyway I latched on to soujourners and Endoweds posts so if they can answer this (everyone else is welcome of course) that would be wonderful.

Ok So I went to roppongi last night at about 12 30, take a couple of side trips to find the Ass bar, and then to th elove hotel hotel ibis (if theres more I'll probably look them up later through the links provided in this section) got to the strip at abotu 2am and went to club 911 for about 30 minutes then went up to motown where I had intended to stay the rest of the night untill pulling out someone to the LH anyway it was a lot nicer than I expected, no trannys or suuuper old women (all the times I've been there its just walk in. See the tranny, walk out in shock and horror!) anyway I was dressed nicely in my regular club gear and caught a couple looks fro women as I got my drink, danced with this one chick who seemed interested but I got a bit nervous and I guess she felt that and *went to the bathroom, * (man chicks are sensitive, they feel your energy waning for a second and theyre out the door. Oh well) anyway.

Met these other two girls next to me, as per soujourners tips and both were intrested, one was pretty hot, the other one was cute, so it was a win for me and since I just read soj's tips abotu doing a 3p I figured Id try that, as I still haven't mastered the art of serperating chicks, anyway they were both into me dacning and feeling them up in a playful way (there were like two guy friends of thereis and someother dude that kept trying to makeout with the hot one so I couldn't do TOO much cuase then the hot one would kinda freak and move away. Then come back later as I was paying more attention to her friend basically sitting on my lap or grabbing me)

. Now at this point, you're probably thinking *TAKE THEM HOME* right? Yeah I was too, unfortunaltey the two cockblocking guy friends were there and the othe rdude. Anyway we were havin foun for a while and one by one the guy freinds started to leave.. THEN I tried to bounce them, first as we were talkin abotu food, asked them if they liked chocolate cake (I forgot to bring chocolate with me so I figured I would take them to almonds then to a lh or something). Of coruse they said yes, so I said ok lets go to xxx place to get some chocolate cake, then started to get up and leave. Then got the yadas and my stomach is full excuse. Ok so I chilled later, started askign them abotu singing and music, then to kareoke and did the same thing, but with karaeoke, *we just went yada*. Ok now this where it starts to fall apart. Or rather finish its failure:

I was pretty much running out of ideas, and running low on energy, wasnt frustrated or anything, I just decided to sit back an denjoy the rest of the time. Then this old japanese dude butts in and basically freaks them out and they leave. I go out with them (I should have gotten their numbers but. I just forgot and was trying to figure out how to get them back with me--probably the alcohol runnign the show at that moment) and they left me sayign were goign home. Bye.

I was stunned like wow wtf. And forgot to get their numbers. Oh well, went out to gas panic for abit till last train and didn't realyl come up with much besides a girl who was really keen on me and sober with her upset friend there but was cockblcoed by her boyfriend LOL oh well. Anyway

My questions.

Yes I know I forgot the chocolate that was my bad but other wise I felt I did pretty good, had lots of fun, the chick who I talked to earlier and fizzzled out with was lookin desperate to get in on the action she had missed by going to the bathroom, the time went fast and it was just very fun, the point I'm missing out on is gettign thei girls to the LH either for a 3p or seperating them

What should I have done to do these two things? What could I have done? The only options were to just either say lets go, and take them by the hand, which maybe I shoudl have done but honestly didn't have the balls for that, I will next time

Or should I have cut my losses, got their numbers and left after they rejected my offers to go somewhere else?

I probably wasted a lot of tiem I could have spent talkign to other women.

Anyway for omseone who didn't go out all summer (had some issues I ha to deal with) I guess I did pretty good. Save for the actually sexing them part. Oh well. Next time.

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[Two by Four]

For us mortals we usually settle for a # close rather than a F close the first time we meet a hot babe. It usually takes me a few dates to get F close. I would have just gotten their number and called them in a day or 2.


Hi,

I'm a short time lurker (as of this morning) and first time poster, Foudn this section looking for somethign on google totalyl unrelated (forgot what it was) I just know I all of a sudden had a raging desire to meet some fine women and take them to an LH.

I've been in Japan for about a couple years now, had some women here and there but nothing like a steady flow of women, and I realy want to fix that.

Anyway I latched on to soujourners and Endoweds posts so if they can answer this (everyone else is welcome of course) that would be wonderful.

Ok So I went to roppongi last night at about 12 30, take a couple of side trips to find the Ass bar, and then to th elove hotel hotel ibis (if theres more I'll probably look them up later through the links provided in this section) got to the strip at abotu 2am and went to club 911 for about 30 minutes then went up to motown where I had intended to stay the rest of the night untill pulling out someone to the LH anyway it was a lot nicer than I expected, no trannys or suuuper old women (all the times I've been there its just walk in. See the tranny, walk out in shock and horror!) anyway I was dressed nicely in my regular club gear and caught a couple looks fro women as I got my drink, danced with this one chick who seemed interested but I got a bit nervous and I guess she felt that and *went to the bathroom, * (man chicks are sensitive, they feel your energy waning for a second and theyre out the door. Oh well) anyway.

Met these other two girls next to me, as per soujourners tips and both were intrested, one was pretty hot, the other one was cute, so it was a win for me and since I just read soj's tips abotu doing a 3p I figured Id try that, as I still haven't mastered the art of serperating chicks, anyway they were both into me dacning and feeling them up in a playful way (there were like two guy friends of thereis and someother dude that kept trying to makeout with the hot one so I couldn't do TOO much cuase then the hot one would kinda freak and move away. Then come back later as I was paying more attention to her friend basically sitting on my lap or grabbing me)

. Now at this point, you're probably thinking *TAKE THEM HOME* right? Yeah I was too, unfortunaltey the two cockblocking guy friends were there and the othe rdude. Anyway we were havin foun for a while and one by one the guy freinds started to leave.. THEN I tried to bounce them, first as we were talkin abotu food, asked them if they liked chocolate cake (I forgot to bring chocolate with me so I figured I would take them to almonds then to a lh or something). Of coruse they said yes, so I said ok lets go to xxx place to get some chocolate cake, then started to get up and leave. Then got the yadas and my stomach is full excuse. Ok so I chilled later, started askign them abotu singing and music, then to kareoke and did the same thing, but with karaeoke, *we just went yada*. Ok now this where it starts to fall apart. Or rather finish its failure:

I was pretty much running out of ideas, and running low on energy, wasnt frustrated or anything, I just decided to sit back an denjoy the rest of the time. Then this old japanese dude butts in and basically freaks them out and they leave. I go out with them (I should have gotten their numbers but. I just forgot and was trying to figure out how to get them back with me--probably the alcohol runnign the show at that moment) and they left me sayign were goign home. Bye.

I was stunned like wow wtf. And forgot to get their numbers. Oh well, went out to gas panic for abit till last train and didn't realyl come up with much besides a girl who was really keen on me and sober with her upset friend there but was cockblcoed by her boyfriend LOL oh well. Anyway

My questions.

Yes I know I forgot the chocolate that was my bad but other wise I felt I did pretty good, had lots of fun, the chick who I talked to earlier and fizzzled out with was lookin desperate to get in on the action she had missed by going to the bathroom, the time went fast and it was just very fun, the point I'm missing out on is gettign thei girls to the LH either for a 3p or seperating them

What should I have done to do these two things? What could I have done? The only options were to just either say lets go, and take them by the hand, which maybe I shoudl have done but honestly didn't have the balls for that, I will next time

Or should I have cut my losses, got their numbers and left after they rejected my offers to go somewhere else?

I probably wasted a lot of tiem I could have spent talkign to other women.

Anyway for omseone who didn't go out all summer (had some issues I ha to deal with) I guess I did pretty good. Save for the actually sexing them part. Oh well. Next time.

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[Lustforthrust]

I just forgot and was trying to figure out how to get them back with me--probably the alcohol runnign the show at that moment) and they left me sayign were goign home. Bye.

I was stunned like wow wtf. And forgot to get their numbers.

My questions.

What could I have done? The only options were to just either say lets go, and take them by the hand, which maybe I shoudl have done but honestly didn't have the balls for that, I will next time

Or should I have cut my losses, got their numbers and left after they rejected my offers to go somewhere else?

I probably wasted a lot of tiem I could have spent talkign to other women.



In general, the longer it takes for you to move to home-base, the more difficult it becomes. So, once you see in her the potential/willingness to K-close or F-close, you move and you don't have to be subtle. She's got to feel pressured (your horniness).
Many guys lose it because the cab takes too long or because she had too much to drink (longer you stay, the more you/she drinks) or because you thought of all the things that could go wrong or realized that she had no hips/thighs/ass and had other rational thoughts because you had time to think things through.

I'm not sure how separation works; I may have read it here or in a player's guide and it is important but I forgot, sorry.

[Azure Knight]

I'm not sure if this is a report or a warning or what.

Last month I met up with a girl I met online. We fucked once - I had to stop halfway through because she complained that it hurt. When I pulled out, the condom stayed inside and I had to fish it out.

So earlier this week, this girl calls me up and tells me that she's missed her period this month, which means she might be pregnant and the father would have to be me. I figured she was full of BS. I met her immediately after her period, which is not an ideal time for pregnancy. And I didn't even cum. No jizz + bad timing = no kid. I told her this in no uncertain terms. She said she'd go to the clinic to confirm and would let me know about the results. If she was pregnant, she said she didn't want the kid and would abort.

I figured that she probably wasn't pregnant, and just missed a period. Even if she was, it had to have been some other dude's kid, cause I didn't even cum. I told her that if she was pregnant and it was mine, I'd accompany her to the abortion clinic, but made sure to repeat that I didn't cum.

So today was clinic day. She emails me and tells me not to worry, because the baby isn't mine. I call her up and she admits that she'd also fucked some Navy guy (which she hadn't owned up to before) and the baby is his. Yes, she is pregnant. She was all for abortion, but not after actually seeing the ultrasound she's not sure anymore, and wonders if keeping the kid will be a way to keep the guy in her life (though the guy has said he doesn't want the kid and if she keeps it - good luck single mom).

So I'm off the hook (I never considered myself on it) but some poor Navy sap is in a fair degree of shit (hope you're not reading buddy...).

I write this to say gentlemen: BE CAREFUL. We have a lot of anti-STD tricks but you need to be wary of the preg-trap as well. This kid isn't even mine and this chick tried to pin it on me at first.

[Ozboy]

Not to belabor the obvious, but you can "not cum" in the sense of "not ejaculate" and still impregnate a girl. It may not be likely, but it's possible. All depends on how much sperm is in the pre-ejaculate fluid.

Anyway good news for you.

[Azure Knight]

Ah yeah, Precum Gate. The recent research shows that any sperm that might be in precum would be the leftovers from a previous ejaculation, and not particularly effective in causing pregnancy. So if you are going for round 2 or getting in a morning fuck after a good night, it might be somewhat dangerous. But its not the potent baby sauce everyone first thought it to be.

Of course, no one is really going to spread that info around, because if everyone thought they were off the baby hook that wouldn't mean that STD's are no longer a problem. Wrap up.

I would advise/recommend everyone here to read/study up about stuff like this, because you never know when it might apply to you at some point in time. Luckily, I had a Japanese GF a few years ago who didn't like condoms and wouldn't let me use them - we were both tested and clean but I was worried about pregnancy so I studied up on it. Really helped me out this time, as I could tell this chick for certain (well, not 100%...) that even if she was pregnant the kid probably wasn't mine.

And thanks.


Not to belabor the obvious, but you can "not cum" in the sense of "not ejaculate" and still impregnate a girl. It may not be likely, but it's possible. All depends on how much sperm is in the pre-ejaculate fluid.

Anyway good news for you.

[Basementcello]

Yeah, lucky escape!

I was into meeting girls off the keitai de-ai websites a few months ago. Bear in mind, many of the girls were amateurs looking to make a few yen pulling tricks on the side. I used a site where around Tokyo, hundreds of girls every day would post messages looking to hook up for cash. The shocking thing was that a number offered to go without condom for a little extra money, even offering to let you finish inside her...

Suffice to say, I never met those girls and would always suit up for any girl I did meet.


Ah yeah, Precum Gate. The recent research shows that any sperm that might be in precum would be the leftovers from a previous ejaculation, and not particularly effective in causing pregnancy. So if you are going for round 2 or getting in a morning fuck after a good night, it might be somewhat dangerous. But its not the potent baby sauce everyone first thought it to be.

Of course, no one is really going to spread that info around, because if everyone thought they were off the baby hook that wouldn't mean that STD's are no longer a problem. Wrap up.

I would advise/recommend everyone here to read/study up about stuff like this, because you never know when it might apply to you at some point in time. Luckily, I had a Japanese GF a few years ago who didn't like condoms and wouldn't let me use them - we were both tested and clean but I was worried about pregnancy so I studied up on it. Really helped me out this time, as I could tell this chick for certain (well, not 100%...) that even if she was pregnant the kid probably wasn't mine.

And thanks.

[Lustforthrust]

Usually, I pull out the condom, wheel up and spray a facial, but since I had 2 rounds the previous night plus 1 in the morning that day, I figured that there wouldn't be enough to spray her and so, for my 1st fuck with this J-girl I'd cum in the condom inside her.
So I gave her 10-15 thrusts after I'd cum and when I paused just before I did the proverbial roll over, she reached under and pulled me out.

Later I asked her what that was about and she told me that when she did her semi-annual OBGYN visit the last time, the doc fished out a condom. The chic assumed it had been lodged there for about 2 months! Digusted, I never saw her again.

Seems to me you'd have limp out to lose a condom, but that would mean you've cum or got hit by limpbizkit midfuck and not know it?

[The Black Rose]

So this past weekend I went out, had a fairly good time. It almost ended very early though. I went to hub in shibuya to get a quick cheap drink before hitting roppongi, and hit some girls up etc.. When I went, I was approached by this good looking girl who was a *bit* drunk, she gave me a sip of her drink, and I ordered mine. I went back to my table and saw her go back to hers with her Japanese entourage (you know what I'm talking about) anyway, about 5 minutes later. After taking two sips of my drink I felt like I had just got hit by a hammer! Thinking WTF, I left immediately and went to the closest starbucks I could find.

I was confused becuase I had gotten.. Drunk but in like 5 minutes and it was not a heavy drink at all! It took me a while to figure it out but It turns out the drink the chick gave me a sip of (which was the one I bought later that is not a heavy drink) was probably spiked by one of the dudes she was sitting with. Well he was sitting next to her eyeing every guy she was talking too! Think wow ok, I sobered up after about a couple hours of ice coffee, face washing, and gulping down LOTs of water.. And taking a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). Many many times, I was determined to get that crap out of my system. I'm lucky I only took two sips, and only drank 1/8th of my drink.. If I had done anymore, The pavement outside would have ran into my face!

So yes should be a given but I was being naive that night. Don't take drinks from strangers. Period.

Anyway on to the fun parts, went out clubbing, checked out motown earlier in the evening about 12-1am and it was just jam packed and not really that many women. Well at least ones that werent hanging on ten guys at once so I went to the bottom motown. I really don't like that place so I left quickly and was still feelin the effects form the spiked drink. So at that part of the night I wasnt feelin so hot. Anyway after just wondering out of some places, checked out gas panic, chilled with some cool foreign and japanese dudes, not that many chicks there either. So I decided to go to Club Midas.

Club Midas was pretty cool, chick was diggin me right away, but her bf was there LOL so I said *cool nice to meet ya* and went on my way, Got pulled into a wing by a chil african dude dancing with some cute girls, after they left I went to put my jacket in my locker and saw them again, struck up a conversation (after asking them to help me put my jacket in the locker. Those lockers. Anyway) so yeah talked to them, sat in between them on the couch, fed them some chocolate (that was pretty fun I must admit) got their contact info, turns out they were with 13 other girls or something that came as a group. Anyway fed them chocolates again but this time I had them do rock paper scissors to see who gets fed by me first, after feeding the winning chick, I fed the losing chick but played a bit with her till she bit me a bit trying to get the chocolate.. Anyway danced with the bitting chick a bit after getting both of their contact infos, then shortly left. A bit before closing time.

So I got some questions for you guys:

So out of those two girls I got the contact infos from, I want to bang both of them, apparently they are both friends, The one that really seems to be into me lives in Shizuoka (far) and the other lives in West Tokyo, she seemed to be into me somewhat but I didn't spend as much time with her as I did with the other one for some reason, Anyway, since they both live far apart, I'm just planning to email both just in a nice meeting you at the club *start conversation* and see where it goes.

Now my question is, How do I get both of these girls? How would you guys approach this situation? I got other girls I'm talkin to so I'll be pretty set, but still Id like to get these two as well.

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[The Black Rose]

Seems like this place died all of a sudden. Well If soujourner is around, could you give us tips on how to suceed with women online? Like profiles, mailing them and meeting them etc. I know you offered to those who asked but I don't think anyone asked haha.. I'm trying out Japan cupid (paid subscribtion) and the younger cute girls pretty much just trash my mails. So yeah any tips would be nice.

[Tokyo Nampa King]

So this past weekend I went out, had a fairly good time. It almost ended very early though. I went to hub in shibuya to get a quick cheap drink before hitting roppongi, and hit some girls up etc.. When I went, I was approached by this good looking girl who was a *bit* drunk, she gave me a sip of her drink, and I ordered mine. I went back to my table and saw her go back to hers with her Japanese entourage (you know what I'm talking about) anyway, about 5 minutes later. After taking two sips of my drink I felt like I had just got hit by a hammer! Thinking WTF, I left immediately and went to the closest starbucks I could find.

I was confused becuase I had gotten.. Drunk but in like 5 minutes and it was not a heavy drink at all! It took me a while to figure it out but It turns out the drink the chick gave me a sip of (which was the one I bought later that is not a heavy drink) was probably spiked by one of the dudes she was sitting with. Well he was sitting next to her eyeing every guy she was talking too! Think wow ok, I sobered up after about a couple hours of ice coffee, face washing, and gulping down LOTs of water.. And taking a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). Many many times, I was determined to get that crap out of my system. I'm lucky I only took two sips, and only drank 1/8th of my drink.. If I had done anymore, The pavement outside would have ran into my face!

So yes should be a given but I was being naive that night. Don't take drinks from strangers. Period.

Anyway on to the fun parts, went out clubbing, checked out motown earlier in the evening about 12-1am and it was just jam packed and not really that many women. Well at least ones that werent hanging on ten guys at once so I went to the bottom motown. I really don't like that place so I left quickly and was still feelin the effects form the spiked drink. So at that part of the night I wasnt feelin so hot. Anyway after just wondering out of some places, checked out gas panic, chilled with some cool foreign and japanese dudes, not that many chicks there either. So I decided to go to Club Midas.

Club Midas was pretty cool, chick was diggin me right away, but her bf was there LOL so I said *cool nice to meet ya* and went on my way, Got pulled into a wing by a chil african dude dancing with some cute girls, after they left I went to put my jacket in my locker and saw them again, struck up a conversation (after asking them to help me put my jacket in the locker. Those lockers. Anyway) so yeah talked to them, sat in between them on the couch, fed them some chocolate (that was pretty fun I must admit) got their contact info, turns out they were with 13 other girls or something that came as a group. Anyway fed them chocolates again but this time I had them do rock paper scissors to see who gets fed by me first, after feeding the winning chick, I fed the losing chick but played a bit with her till she bit me a bit trying to get the chocolate.. Anyway danced with the bitting chick a bit after getting both of their contact infos, then shortly left. A bit before closing time.

So I got some questions for you guys:

So out of those two girls I got the contact infos from, I want to bang both of them, apparently they are both friends, The one that really seems to be into me lives in Shizuoka (far) and the other lives in West Tokyo, she seemed to be into me somewhat but I didn't spend as much time with her as I did with the other one for some reason, Anyway, since they both live far apart, I'm just planning to email both just in a nice meeting you at the club *start conversation* and see where it goes.

Now my question is, How do I get both of these girls? How would you guys approach this situation? I got other girls I'm talkin to so I'll be pretty set, but still Id like to get these two as well.

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1st. Hook up with the West Tokyo girl (you live in Tokyo right). Send her an email and tell her you are planning on going for some drinks, she should join (my best line to get a girl alone is say I am meeting a bunch of friends, then when she gets there tell her the friends cancelled but hey LETS HAVE FUN).

Take her for drinks, kareoke, then to the Love Hotel. Its simple ok.

Now, the Shizuoka girl. Send her an email at sometime after the hookup with the West Tokyo girl and tell her you will be in Shizuoka at some future date (make it up) and say hey we should get drinks and have a good time cause you dont know the area.

If girl B asks about girl A just say you guys met for drinks (true) and had a good time (true). Leave it at that. #1. She will respect you for not "kissing and telling" (cause odds are she will know you hooked up with her) #2. Make it seem like no big deal.

There ya go

[The Black Rose]

Simple strategy for ya.

1st. Hook up with the West Tokyo girl (you live in Tokyo right). Send her an email and tell her you are planning on going for some drinks, she should join (my best line to get a girl alone is say I am meeting a bunch of friends, then when she gets there tell her the friends cancelled but hey LETS HAVE FUN).

Take her for drinks, kareoke, then to the Love Hotel. Its simple ok.

Now, the Shizuoka girl. Send her an email at sometime after the hookup with the West Tokyo girl and tell her you will be in Shizuoka at some future date (make it up) and say hey we should get drinks and have a good time cause you dont know the area.

If girl B asks about girl A just say you guys met for drinks (true) and had a good time (true). Leave it at that. #1. She will respect you for not "kissing and telling" (cause odds are she will know you hooked up with her) #2. Make it seem like no big deal.

There ya goThanks man, I'll put that to work.

[The Black Rose]

whats up guys! so i pulled another sweet ass nampa which paid off last night. here's how it went down:

so last week i was walking to the bar after work in roppongi when i saw this sweet ass walking in front of me. as i sped up to see the front i was pleasantly surprised to see one hell of a rack. so i put my smile on and approached her and was like "hey, how ya doing, wanna go have a drink? " she laughed at the gaijin approaching her and was like "sorry i'm on my way to work". so i relied "how about another time, gimme your email (i never ask for phone # unless necessary). she she smiled and wrote it down for me.

we sent a few emails back and forth, and made a plan to meet for drinks last night. so we go to shinjuku and head to the bar. we are holding hands, a few sneaked touches here and there. i'm preppin her, testing the waters and feeding drinks.

so after about an hour i tell her lets go for a walk. she is like cool. i ask her while we are walking if she likes wine, she says she loves it. so i walk her down to a wine shop i know near the love hotels. we pick out a bottle and i walk her across the street and into the love hotel. never ask permission! just walk in, if she don't wanna go she'll let you know.

anyway peep the pics i posted to see the results.

peace!

tokyo nampa kingso i saw this report, wondering how to do the whole nampa thing, and basically its just walking up to hot women, and just asking them out for a drink right then?

that seems pretty easy! or is there more to this then i am seeing right now?

[Basketcase42]

Coming to Tokyo for 4 days next week and I have 3 gals lines up. One for 2 days so every day is full. 2 from Japan Cupid and one from a personals add in Metropolis. The personals gal should be a sure thing cause she "just wants a nice time with love and affection" and she's happy to have dinner right there in the hotel then go up to the room for some wine. Uh. Huh.

Wish me luck. Kinda new at this.

[Teppenyaki]

Good luck! And please report!


Coming to Tokyo for 4 days next week and I have 3 gals lines up. One for 2 days so every day is full. 2 from Japan Cupid and one from a personals add in Metropolis. The personals gal should be a sure thing cause she "just wants a nice time with love and affection" and she's happy to have dinner right there in the hotel then go up to the room for some wine. Uh. Huh.

Wish me luck. Kinda new at this.

[AussieGaigin]

So I saw this report, wondering how to do the whole nampa thing, and basically its just walking up to hot women, and just asking them out for a drink right then?

That seems pretty easy! Or is there more to this then I am seeing right now?
You really have to be able to pick the right woman at the right time. This may take some skill, which you can develop over time.

Having some personality and reasonable conversation/entertainment skills will help a lot.

[AussieGaigin]

I've copied this over from the Tokyo thread, as it seems some people are offended by the idea of "not paying for sex" being discussed there LOL.

I am totally in agreement with TNK on this. A good night out with a F4F beats the best P4P anytime.

I have over 25 years experience in the nampa game; apart from an "exploratory" visit to a Hakata soap many years ago I have never really bothered to venture into the mizu-shobai.

But I have had hundreds of J-girl "freebies", both in Japan and more prominently here in Australia. I had the good fortune to be heavily involved with the Japanese tourism industry here during this time, which gave me an intense intrusion into their culture.

I certainly haven't spent big money on dates; most girls will split (and I've still got to eat anyway), some will even pick up the whole tab for my "services". Part of my work here involved training new arrival employees in English, business and social culture, etc; their bosses were paying me to do this and I got the "fringe benefits".

And TNK, don't worry about the age factor; I was pushing 60 (but not balding) when I retired from the industry a few years back, and I think I could still pull a 20 yo now (if my wife wasn't always hanging around LOL).

Sorry ES, but I hope you don't think that I am "into myself" too. I simply took advantage of a situation I unintentionally found myself in, and exploited it for what is was worth.

Reading all the reports here about how hard it can be to get in to a Japanese shop, or how expensive and disappointing it can be if you do, just makes me wonder why any one bothers??

But good luck to both of you. I certainly enjoy reading your reports, even if I can't get back there again.

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Originally Posted by Tokyo Nampa King
I rarely spend more than 10,000 on a date (including love hotel) so unless you know a place where you can score with sexy 22-27 year old Japanese girls (the average age/type of the women I take out) for that price than let me know. I certainly havent seen it.

Maybe when I am like 45 and balding and I want a taste of that young flavor again that I cant get on my own anymore than I will consider kicking out some of the money many of you guys pay. Until that day comes though, I like the game Im running.

And yes the sex industry is upfront, but the girl has you on a timer..is only there because you are paying, and the sex is usually missing something for me compared to when I use only my charms (and a few drinks) getting a girl to the love hotel.

Not looking down on it, just for me right now the cost/benefit isnt there. In the future that may change.

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You're well into yourself, aren't you Chief? Do us a favor and save the overconfidence for the girls you claim to date. In these forums it's mostly just annoying and certainly doesn't add value.

ES

[Two by Four]

OK now that I have your attention I am wondering if anyone has tried walking into a love hotel in a group of 3. Is there a standard love hotel policy regarding occupancy or is it the more likely YMMV according to the hotel you walk into?

I have an opportunity to close with 2 cuties, they are actually a lot of fun to hang out with and have a very open attitude. I don't want to get tripped up just in front of the finish line.

2x4

[Zcorps]

OK now that I have your attention I am wondering if anyone has tried walking into a love hotel in a group of 3. Is there a standard love hotel policy regarding occupancy or is it the more likely YMMV according to the hotel you walk into?

I have an opportunity to close with 2 cuties, they are actually a lot of fun to hang out with and have a very open attitude. I don't want to get tripped up just in front of the finish line.

2x4


Some hotels will stop you and not let you. By stopping you, I mean stopping the elevator and opening it. Other hotels will charge you extra. Some hotels just don't care. Best to do some research ahead of time. I can't remember the sites, but there are a few Love hotel reviews sites you can use to find out (if you speak Japanese). Personally though, I'd rather close the girls in my room.

[tjoe2002]

A lot of places won`t allow more than two people. Try the P&A Plaza Hotel group. They are a boutique hotel chain in the Shibuya love hotel district that has themed rooms with a party plan and reservations.

http://www.paplaza.com/reserve.html


OK now that I have your attention I am wondering if anyone has tried walking into a love hotel in a group of 3. Is there a standard love hotel policy regarding occupancy or is it the more likely YMMV according to the hotel you walk into?

2x4

[Two by Four]

I am not in Tokyo but I do recall being at a love hotel in town that had a "party room" prominently displayed. Time to put some boots on the ground and figure this one out.

Thanks for both responses

2x4


A lot of places won`t allow more than two people. Try the P&A Plaza Hotel group. They are a boutique hotel chain in the Shibuya love hotel district that has themed rooms with a party plan and reservations.

http://www.paplaza.com/reserve.html

[The Black Rose]

I'm all for Nampa over p4p anyway myself, Would TNK mind explaining how he runs his game? Or at least some tips for starters? He seems to have a great handle on this, and Id love to hear a lot of his insights. As nampa seems to be more than just asking a random woman on the street for coffee.


I've copied this over from the Tokyo thread, as it seems some people are offended by the idea of "not paying for sex" being discussed there LOL.

I am totally in agreement with TNK on this. A good night out with a F4F beats the best P4P anytime.

I have over 25 years experience in the nampa game; apart from an "exploratory" visit to a Hakata soap many years ago I have never really bothered to venture into the mizu-shobai.

But I have had hundreds of J-girl "freebies", both in Japan and more prominently here in Australia. I had the good fortune to be heavily involved with the Japanese tourism industry here during this time, which gave me an intense intrusion into their culture.

I certainly haven't spent big money on dates; most girls will split (and I've still got to eat anyway), some will even pick up the whole tab for my "services". Part of my work here involved training new arrival employees in English, business and social culture, etc; their bosses were paying me to do this and I got the "fringe benefits".

And TNK, don't worry about the age factor; I was pushing 60 (but not balding) when I retired from the industry a few years back, and I think I could still pull a 20 yo now (if my wife wasn't always hanging around LOL).

Sorry ES, but I hope you don't think that I am "into myself" too. I simply took advantage of a situation I unintentionally found myself in, and exploited it for what is was worth.

Reading all the reports here about how hard it can be to get in to a Japanese shop, or how expensive and disappointing it can be if you do, just makes me wonder why any one bothers??

But good luck to both of you. I certainly enjoy reading your reports, even if I can't get back there again.

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Originally Posted by Tokyo Nampa King
I rarely spend more than 10,000 on a date (including love hotel) so unless you know a place where you can score with sexy 22-27 year old Japanese girls (the average age/type of the women I take out) for that price than let me know. I certainly havent seen it.

Maybe when I am like 45 and balding and I want a taste of that young flavor again that I cant get on my own anymore than I will consider kicking out some of the money many of you guys pay. Until that day comes though, I like the game Im running.

And yes the sex industry is upfront, but the girl has you on a timer..is only there because you are paying, and the sex is usually missing something for me compared to when I use only my charms (and a few drinks) getting a girl to the love hotel.

Not looking down on it, just for me right now the cost/benefit isnt there. In the future that may change.

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You're well into yourself, aren't you Chief? Do us a favor and save the overconfidence for the girls you claim to date. In these forums it's mostly just annoying and certainly doesn't add value.

ES

[Akbkenji]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, so please excuse my ignorance.

I've always wanted to try nampa, but I've never had the confidence to do so. I feel like I'd be able to if I had a wing man. Would anyone be interested in helping a brother out?

Appearance wise, I'm Asian, and 25 years old. I think I generally have a pretty good fashion sense, and have moderate looks.

I'm living in Yokohama, but I'm down with going up to Tokyo. If anyone's interested, shoot me a PM or something. Thanks.

[Sake Lover]

Hey, Basket Case!

How did your 4 days in Tokyo go? Were the Japan Cupid girls looking for a serious BF?

Did you share some love & affection with the girl from the Metropolis ad?

Best regards,

Sake


Coming to Tokyo for 4 days next week and I have 3 gals lines up. One for 2 days so every day is full. 2 from Japan Cupid and one from a personals ad in Metropolis. The personals gal should be a sure thing cause she "just wants a nice time with love and affection" and she's happy to have dinner right there in the hotel then go up to the room for some wine. Uh. Huh.

Wish me luck. Kinda new at this.