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Member #4636
09-26-18, 16:58
I've been going to FKK's for 15 years but the last time I visited was just before they passed the new law.
I just want to know what's going on and if the girls are enforcing it or asking for extra to give a BBBJ?
I have some regulars that will know me at Palace so I could probably get a BBBJ from them, but not sure about the others.It is illegal to have sex without condom. Unprotected sex is banned in Germany and customers must pay attention. The fines are between 1 k and 50 k euros.
ExpatLover
09-28-18, 07:39
It is illegal to have sex without condom. Unprotected sex is banned in Germany and customers must pay attention. The fines are between 1 k and 50 k euros.Can someone give me 1 example of a guys who got fined since 1 July 2017, obviously not, the target of the new law was not the BBBJ this is the packaging, the target is to reduce the offer which is already happening now and also to have a data sheet with names, address of all the prostitutes and to start to get taxes on real income this is also progressively taking place. Do you really believe that the German authorities are sensitive of the health of the Romanian prostitutes who will return in Romania.
I don't know why you asked the desk, the girls set their own rules and they are free to ask what they want, there is no official price list. One hour with what you asked for is usually 150-200.Wrong. If You ask desk for rate to make love in bed with DFK, BJ, DATY and multi positions sex, desk answer 50 per 30 mn. Most of Palace girls just don t respect Palace rules. Joana told me she was Ok for kissing, but when I kissed and caressed her, she told she wanted 100/30 mn. As she was a so sensitive part timer, I wanted to enjoy with her, and as I don t want to fuck girls about money, I paid her 200 for a top GFE hour. When she came again to ask me to repeat, I told her: no, because she is too expensive, she answered: 200/ h is the rate at Palace, I answered: no, Palace official rate is 50/30 mn. Had Ingrid for this rate. Julia asked about budget I wanted to spend with her, I answered: 100 for 1 hour, she didn't seem interested, I don t force girls, she stayed sitting waiting whole night. Edina ex Sharks was for 150 for 1 real GFE hour, when I didn't go with her at Sharks for 100. Model Leana was so attractive, but not kissing, so not for me.
But Palace is the most interesting place at the moment in Hessen, because can find some real woman type beauties, good foods.
Entry still 75 and no works at the moment.
My third choice in Germany at the moment, before Sharks, Oase and Mainhattan. Higher level place.
Member #4636
10-03-18, 17:15
Are there any works still going on in the club? Anyone been there recently?
Are there any works still going on in the club? Anyone been there recently?No constructions yet from my visit last week. Entry still 75. Front desk lady saying it may start? Next month. A few nice stunner girls, excellent food with nice selection of many fresh fruits (no flies all over food like Oase), facilities seemed very clean. Just not appearing to be very busy. And same filthy stained yellow wrist keys.
No constructions yet from my visit last week. Entry still 75. Front desk lady saying it may start? Next month. A few nice stunner girls, excellent food with nice selection of many fresh fruits (no flies all over food like Oase), facilities seemed very clean. Just not appearing to be very busy. And same filthy stained yellow wrist keys.I confirm for really good foods, with melon, and more attractive woman type looks than in other Hessen clubs.
No works, no discount.
A club for the night, slow in afternoon.
I've been going to FKK's for 15 years but the last time I visited was just before they passed the new law.
I just want to know what's going on and if the girls are enforcing it or asking for extra to give a BBBJ?
I have some regulars that will know me at Palace so I could probably get a BBBJ from them, but not sure about the others.Girls can work for CIM extra for 50. Many girls prefer to get CIM than kissing which is more intimate for them. Smart girls kiss to make illusion, stupid girls say: I don't sell love.
This is simply my observation based on what I read (and see as a trend) on this and the famous German board, as I didn't get a chance to get out of the sex prison for last 4-5 months. Any comments / suggestions from first hand experience will be helpful (at least to me in my next trip).
Only few weeks back we were reading that many sharky girls in Sharks are / were "asking" for higher (double of triple) than the "standard" rates and they would not budge to the standard rates. Now (for last 1-2 weeks) we read that some of those sharky girls left Sharks because most guys asking for 50 e /30 minutes sessions with the "standard" rates (or most customers asking for only 50 e /30 m sessions) and moved to Mainhattan and Palace to continue their sharky practice. One important (to my observation) differentiator happened in between was that we discussed the "standard" rates on the Sharks thread to it's death LOL.
So, could it be that the discussion of "standard" rates on the Sharks thread actually made some effect for many of the Tourists (and for some of us here)? Think of these:
1) Most Tourists are English speakers, readers and writers.
2) In today's world, most Tourists tend to do some research on the internet before visiting a new place of interest.
3) This ISG board comes in Google and all other search engines pretty quickly when you try to search for mongering options in Germany or Europe (that's how I found ISG decades back LOL). More so if you know FKK names like Sharks, Oase, Mainhatan, Palace, World etc.
So hoping that our "standard" rates discussion did have some (even if only 50% or less) effect on maintaining the "standard" rates at Sharks and "maybe", just maybe it will again have some impact in Mainhattan, Palace etc FKKs, here I will repeat the "standard" rates any monger should stick to IMHO. After all it is always a buyers market like in any business. These girls (even the most beautiful girl in any FKK) need our 50 e more than we need the BBBJ or DFK or whatever else they are trying to scam you as extras.
Here are the standard rates in Sharks, Oase, World and most German FKKs (except for Artemis in Berlin where it's 60 e for 30 minutes for the same service listed below, and the RTC or AO clubs where rates are 30-40% cheaper):
50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. Only extras are CIM for 50 e (some will swallow as well with this), and Anal for 100 e. Every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. Please note that these rates are irrespective of how beautiful / ugly or nice / bad personality the girl is.
For customers who take the easy route without negotiating (same in any business for that matter), there is no standard rate. These WG's takes whatever more they can, again same in most other businesses.
I have been able to get all day (10-12 hours, plus sometimes even going to a late night disco / house music club after the FKK closed, then some fun, sleep and breakfast at my hotel (or her hotel) before dropping her back to the club (or her home or hotel) for 600-700 e if we really liked each other. In those cases, her service included a lot more than the above and / or even free dates outside later LOL. And she also enjoyed the activities, besides making what she wanted to make.
Hope this helps some of my fellow mongers.
Current offer of the moment of the works take place until the month of November (reconstruction of the bar and the living room) the daily ticket is currently available for only 50 euros instead of 75 euros.No confirmation of this so far.
No confirmation of this so far.Entry 75 on last Saturday. No information about discount on desk.
Goods foods and really beautiful rooms which increase pleasure when You are with a beauty.
No confirmation of this so far.I asked front lady for 50, she said no it's 75 until construction start. So I pay 75.
Member #4636
10-04-18, 18:23
50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. I have never had such luck getting all these for just 50 e.
Member #4636
10-04-18, 18:30
A club for the night, slow in afternoon.There is a huge difference between day and night, it is really slow and with very few girls before 6 pm.
Also I confirm the food is always nice, never been disappointed.
Now should I go Palace or Mainhattan here is the dilemma.
Here are the standard rates in Sharks, Oase, World and most German FKKs (except for Artemis in Berlin where it's 60 e for 30 minutes for the same service listed below, and the RTC or AO clubs where rates are 30-40% cheaper):
50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. Only extras are CIM for 50 e (some will swallow as well with this), and Anal for 100 e. Every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. Please note that these rates are irrespective of how beautiful / ugly or nice / bad personality the girl is.Thanks a lot for reminding us all of the correct rates. I wish this could be a sticky note on top of every FKK thread on ISG.
I was particularly happy about your last sentence that "that these rates are irrespective of how beautiful / ugly or nice / bad personality the girl is". This is exactly my experience and an important note to every firsttimer to FKK Clubs. There are some frequent posters lately claiming that you "need to" pay double price to get good performance from the hottest girls. This is utterly BS. First of all, if there is any correlation at all you will find more scammers among the least attractive girls. And there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service at a standard rate. The best girls simply do not need to BS you. If a girl, pretty or not, is trying some BS, just be patient and find someone hotter than her.
Some girls will not kiss. Some will not permit FIV. Some will only provide CBJ. We have to respect that (and say politely "no thank you" and move on to a better performer). What we should not respect is that services as DFK or FIV (or BBBJ) only come with an extra fee. That's a scam and such girls should be avoided at all costs.
The more pushover you are, the more upselling you will experience in the clubs. It's as simple as that. Your choice.
ExpatLover
10-04-18, 19:53
This is simply my observation based on what I read (and see as a trend) on this and the famous German board, as I didn't get a chance to get out of the sex prison for last 4-5 months. Any comments / suggestions from first hand experience will be helpful (at least to me in my next trip).
Only few weeks back we were reading that many sharky girls in Sharks are / were "asking" for higher (double of triple) than the "standard" rates and they would not budge to the standard rates. Now (for last 1-2 weeks) we read that some of those sharky girls left Sharks because most guys asking for 50 e /30 minutes sessions with the "standard" rates (or most customers asking for only 50 e /30 m sessions) and moved to Mainhattan and Palace to continue their sharky practice. One important (to my observation) differentiator happened in between was that we discussed the "standard" rates on the Sharks thread to it's death LOL.
So, could it be that the discussion of "standard" rates on the Sharks thread actually made some effect for many of the Tourists (and for some of us here)? Think of these:
1) Most Tourists are English speakers, readers and writers.
2) In today's world, most Tourists tend to do some research on the internet before visiting a new place of interest.
3) This ISG board comes in Google and all other search engines pretty quickly when you try to search for mongering options in Germany or Europe (that's how I found ISG decades back LOL). More so if you know FKK names like Sharks, Oase, Mainhatan, Palace, World etc.
So hoping that our "standard" rates discussion did have some (even if only 50% or less) effect on maintaining the "standard" rates at Sharks and "maybe", just maybe it will again have some impact in Mainhattan, Palace etc FKKs, here I will repeat the "standard" rates any monger should stick to IMHO. After all it is always a buyers market like in any business. These girls (even the most beautiful girl in any FKK) need our 50 e more than we need the BBBJ or DFK or whatever else they are trying to scam you as extras.
Here are the standard rates in Sharks, Oase, World and most German FKKs (except for Artemis in Berlin where it's 60 e for 30 minutes for the same service listed below, and the RTC or AO clubs where rates are 30-40% cheaper):
50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. Only extras are CIM for 50 e (some will swallow as well with this), and Anal for 100 e. Every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. Please note that these rates are irrespective of how beautiful / ugly or nice / bad personality the girl is.
For customers who take the easy route without negotiating (same in any business for that matter), there is no standard rate. These WG's takes whatever more they can, again same in most other businesses.
I have been able to get all day (10-12 hours, plus sometimes even going to a late night disco / house music club after the FKK closed, then some fun, sleep and breakfast at my hotel (or her hotel) before dropping her back to the club (or her home or hotel) for 600-700 e if we really liked each other. In those cases, her service included a lot more than the above and / or even free dates outside later LOL. And she also enjoyed the activities, besides making what she wanted to make.
Hope this helps some of my fellow mongers.50 euros for 30 minutes including BBBJ if you are a regular customer? I think many mongers on this forum will laugh, more or less impossible to get in Shark from the top girls.
Member #4636
10-04-18, 21:33
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Some girls will not kiss. Some will not permit FIV. Some will only provide CBJ. We have to respect that (and say politely "no thank you" and move on to a better performer). What we should not respect is that services as DFK or FIV (or BBBJ) only come with an extra fee. That's a scam and such girls should be avoided at all costs.
The more pushover you are, the more upselling you will experience in the clubs. It's as simple as that. Your choice.I hope you are right but from my experience I find it very difficult, not to say impossible, to find a girl that will let us put a finger in her vagina and lick her pussy just for 50 e including also fucking of course and BBBJ and DFK. I feel like I will keep on moving to find a better performer which will never be there. All the girls I have met ask for an extra fee for DATY (which I want always).
Member #4636
10-04-18, 21:55
I asked front lady for 50, she said no it's 75 until construction start. So I pay 75.I just found this, don't speak German but I think it says that works and cheaper entry fee start from October 15th.
https://www.fkk24.de/the-palace/aktionen/umbauarbeiten-ab-1510-tageskarte-bis-november-fuer-nur-50-euro-erhaeltlich
And there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service at a standard rate.Standard rate is ambiguous. If three customers were to pay the following: 50 EUR per 30 min. 100 EUR per 60 minute. 600 EUR per 6 hours.
All three customers would have paid "standard rates". Nobody tipped or paid more than market rate. But in most cases, the guy paying 600 EUR per 6 hours would be the most desirable.
Would you feel comfortable rephrasing your original statement to "there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service for 50 EUR 30 min"?
There is a huge difference between day and night, it is really slow and with very few girls before 6 pm.
Also I confirm the food is always nice, never been disappointed.
Now should I go Palace or Mainhattan here is the dilemma.Palace is far higher level for me, also than Oase and Sharks at the moment. At least, at Palace, You can see beautiful women, not GND little girls.
Thanks a lot for reminding us all of the correct rates. I wish this could be a sticky note on top of every FKK thread on ISG.
I was particularly happy about your last sentence that "that these rates are irrespective of how beautiful / ugly or nice / bad personality the girl is". This is exactly my experience and an important note to every firsttimer to FKK Clubs. There are some frequent posters lately claiming that you "need to" pay double price to get good performance from the hottest girls. This is utterly BS. First of all, if there is any correlation at all you will find more scammers among the least attractive girls. And there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service at a standard rate. The best girls simply do not need to BS you. If a girl, pretty or not, is trying some BS, just be patient and find someone hotter than her.
Some girls will not kiss. Some will not permit FIV. Some will only provide CBJ. We have to respect that (and say politely "no thank you" and move on to a better performer). What we should not respect is that services as DFK or FIV (or BBBJ) only come with an extra fee. That's a scam and such girls should be avoided at all costs.
The more pushover you are, the more upselling you will experience in the clubs. It's as simple as that. Your choice.Thanks for the kind words Shark16. Hope that eventually all these scamming goes away and everyone (including the girls) is happy.
Standard rate is ambiguous. If three customers were to pay the following: 50 EUR per 30 min. 100 EUR per 60 minute. 600 EUR per 6 hours.
All three customers would have paid "standard rates". Nobody tipped or paid more than market rate. But in most cases, the guy paying 600 EUR per 6 hours would be the most desirable.
Would you feel comfortable rephrasing your original statement to "there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service for 50 EUR 30 min"?Excellent point McA. Only the honest, passionate and nice optifuck girls will get few 6 hours bookings (like in Globe), so essentially the market will reward the solid service and looks. No need to pay inflated prices. Similar to any other service business.
HungryStud101
10-05-18, 03:55
Thanks for the kind words Shark16. Hope that eventually all these scamming goes away and everyone (including the girls) is happy.
Thanks a lot for reminding us all of the correct rates. I wish this could be a sticky note on top of every FKK thread on ISG.
Some girls will not kiss. Some will not permit FIV. Some will only provide CBJ. We have to respect that (and say politely "no thank you" and move on to a better performer). What we should not respect is that services as DFK or FIV (or BBBJ) only come with an extra fee. That's a scam and such girls should be avoided at all costs.
The more pushover you are, the more upselling you will experience in the clubs. It's as simple as that. Your choice.Please tell me Gino and Shark16: When did CIM not come with an Extra fee? I have been going to the FKKs since 2010 and it always has. Maybe you misunderstood my posts? It is rare that a girl will throw in CIM for free in a FKK. If they do decide to give it up for free that is not standard. Am I wrong?
You think a guy that pays for an extra service is a sucker? I think a guy that sits with a girl in a room for hours on end or takes a girl home and brags that they did this for 700 Euros is also a sucker. Hell, 700 euros is 2 full days in an FKK with a little left over.
My flight costs at least 2000-3000 $. Car rental and hotels are also expensive (car rentals are 2 X the USA). The opportunity to get away to visit an FKK is rare. Also understand that old women in the US charge incredible prices. 300 $ to 600 $/ hour. Vegas is an expensive place to monger. My favorite agency is at 500 $/ hour Girls at the world famous Vegas Brothels are ugly and I wouldn't fuck most of them for free. I get across the pond rarely and I don't come here to make a point with a WG over 50 Euros. This is not that big a deal for us really and I am not going to sleep with ugly women to save 50 Euros. She has to do something for me optically. So even though there are many 50 Euro options, I usually do not care to spend too much of my precious time with them...maybe I will do a few 50E sessions per visit. I did 3 this visit and last trip I can remember 4.
Please try to see things from my perspective.
And BTW. I didn't go with the girls that wanted 150 Euro for a BBBJ+CIM. I just reported it. I was trying to avoid saying BBBJ +CIM but I don't think I am getting through to you so I will put it in print.
Please tell me Gino and Shark16: When did CIM not come with an Extra fee? I have been going to the FKKs since 2010 and it always has. Maybe you misunderstood my posts? It is rare that a girl will throw in CIM for free in a FKK. If they do decide to give it up for free that is not standard. Am I wrong?
You think a guy that pays for an extra service is a sucker? I think a guy that sits with a girl in a room for hours on end or takes a girl home and brags that they did this for 700 Euros is also a sucker. Hell, 700 euros is 2 full days in an FKK with a little left over.
My flight costs at least 2000-3000 $. Car rental and hotels are also expensive (car rentals are 2 X the USA). The opportunity to get away to visit an FKK is rare. Also understand that old women in the US charge incredible prices. 300 $ to 600 $/ hour. Vegas is an expensive place to monger. My favorite agency is at 500 $/ hour Girls at the world famous Vegas Brothels are ugly and I wouldn't fuck most of them for free. I get across the pond rarely and I don't come here to make a point with a WG over 50 Euros. This is not that big a deal for us really and I am not going to sleep with ugly women to save 50 Euros..From USA flight cost 2000 to 3000 usd? Business class right?
ExpatLover
10-05-18, 05:19
Please tell me Gino and Shark16: When did CIM not come with an Extra fee? I have been going to the FKKs since 2010 and it always has. Maybe you misunderstood my posts? It is rare that a girl will throw in CIM for free in a FKK. If they do decide to give it up for free that is not standard. Am I wrong?
You think a guy that pays for an extra service is a sucker? I think a guy that sits with a girl in a room for hours on end or takes a girl home and brags that they did this for 700 Euros is also a sucker. Hell, 700 euros is 2 full days in an FKK with a little left over.
My flight costs at least 2000-3000 $. Car rental and hotels are also expensive (car rentals are 2 X the USA). The opportunity to get away to visit an FKK is rare. Also understand that old women in the US charge incredible prices. 300 $ to 600 $/ hour. Vegas is an expensive place to monger. My favorite agency is at 500 $/ hour Girls at the world famous Vegas Brothels are ugly and I wouldn't fuck most of them for free. I get across the pond rarely and I don't come here to make a point with a WG over 50 Euros. This is not that big a deal for us really and I am not going to sleep with ugly women to save 50 Euros. She has to do something for me optically. So even though there are many 50 Euro options, I usually do not care to spend too much of my precious time with them...maybe I will do a few 50E sessions per visit. I did 3 this visit and last trip I can remember 4.
Please try to see things from my perspective.
And BTW. I didn't go with the girls that wanted 150 Euro for a BBBJ+CIM. I just reported it. I was trying to avoid saying BBBJ +CIM but I don't think I am getting through to you so I will put it in print.Everyone has the right to act like he wants, CIM was never for free except with a girl you know well and you have long booking with her, she will give everything for free just because you are spending thousans and thousands every year with her. What is sure, prices are going up and service is going down also more and more veteran girls in the girls knowing how to suck our cash.
HungryStud101
10-05-18, 23:02
From USA flight cost 2000 to 3000 usd? Business class right?No.
Delta in Coach class and it wasn't even comfort plus. In fact I saved 800 $ by going back on a Sunday. My flight was just over $2,000 this time.
My colleague made his arrangements a few days after me and he left on Friday which was a more popular day and he paid 3,000 $ this trip and that was coach class too.
I'm sorry if I sounded like a dick in my post below. I just want people to understand my perspective.
Kosher Kowboy
10-05-18, 23:30
No.
Delta in Coach class and it wasn't even comfort plus. In fact I saved 800 $ by going back on a Sunday. My flight was just over $2,000 this time.
My colleague made his arrangements a few days after me and he left on Friday which was a more popular day and he paid 3,000 $ this trip and that was coach class too.
I'm sorry if I sounded like a dick in my post below. I just want people to understand my perspective.What route are you taking on Delta?
I always fly thru Atlanta if the price is right if not thru NYC and Comfort+ is all I sit in. Comfort+ JFK-FRA is pretty much always $900 +/- $75 RT but not one search engine or the Delta site itself will route you thru there so I buy one ticket to JFK and than a second ticket JFK-FRA. Delta won't say why they won't route thru there on searches on a combined ticket so try it out next time a la carte the only catch is have to get to JFK but from there it is a steal. How much is a flight to JFK from where you are? Add $1 K to that and see how much it is RT thru New York? Has to be less than $2 K-$3 K?
I just searched March 4-18 and April 2-16 and the rates are $836 to $939 w taxes JFK to FRA. (Comfort+).
FWIW I check the Delta site if I am up late or up early once a day between midnight and 6 AM and I would say every 3 weeks or so a drastic drop hits and I buy. I got my last flight while in FRA, left for a club early to get the cheaper entry and the price was over $1600 bucks came back and logged on and was something like $835. I got the ticket and went to bed. I woke up the next day was over $1700 again. They don't advertise these flash drops.
I just searched March 4-18 and April 2-16 and the rates are $836 to $939 w taxes JFK to FRA. (Comfort+).Haven't been following closely. Perhaps HS101 is not booking his trips 5-6 months in advance.
FWIW I check the Delta site if I am up late or up early once a day between midnight and 6 AM and I would say every 3 weeks or so a drastic drop hits and I buy. I got my last flight while in FRA, left for a club early to get the cheaper entry and the price was over $1600 bucks came back and logged on and was something like $835. I got the ticket and went to bed. I woke up the next day was over $1700 again. They don't advertise these flash drops.How much time do you spend per day executing these searches? I've seen some airline websites that show two month calendars side-by-side. So for example, the calendar on the left would show 31 price points for outgoing flights on March 2019. Calendar on the right would show the 30 price points for each calendar in April 2019. Skyscanner uses such an interface, so you can at a glance see what might be the cheapest day in a given month to fly into Frankfurt and what the cheapest day to fly out of Frankfurt on a given month:
https://www.skyscanner.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/nz-lond-5-alt.png?fit=1048, 1223.
Is that how you are able to do it quickly? I hear other people setup email alerts. Like send me an "email when JFK-FRA ticket is under $500".
Kosher Kowboy
10-06-18, 00:49
Haven't been following closely. Perhaps HS101 is not booking his trips 5-6 months in advance.
How much time do you spend per day executing these searches? I've seen some airline websites that show two month calendars side-by-side. So for example, the calendar on the left would show 31 price points for outgoing flights on March 2019. Calendar on the right would show the 30 price points for each calendar in April 2019. Skyscanner uses such an interface, so you can at a glance see what might be the cheapest day in a given month to fly into Frankfurt and what the cheapest day to fly out of Frankfurt on a given month:
https://www.skyscanner.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/nz-lond-5-alt.png?fit=1048, 1223.
Is that how you are able to do it quickly? I hear other people setup email alerts. Like send me an "email when JFK-FRA ticket is under $500".I do book 2-4 months in advance usually. I clicked on that link. Delta has the calendar view as well for one full month or a 5 week view that shows the options 5 weeks before your selected departure date and 5 weeks after your selected return date. Something like that.
Don't really spend that much time, am booked four months out now and probably in another month or so will start sniffing around for the spring in the meantime maybe I will check every 3 days for shits and giggles just in case a steal is out there. I can't remember who it was but I vaguely recall I think Badinsweet once posting about some search he set up and often found very cheap flights from I think the west coast for $500-$700 (I think) . Once I see a fare I want to buy I quickly open hotels.com up to make sure it is not Messe time as the hotels will be triple, quadrupled jacked up if not more. Than I buy. My goal is to get the flight for $1 K or less and get a room for $100 a night or less and try to get a 7 day overhead for air / lodging in the $1500-$1700 range or under ideally, between $1700-$1800 I think about it any higher I keep hunting. The greater my overhead the more visits to Day Care I will make to balance all out.
Recently my time is consumed drooling and dreaming of the reinspritzing Gypsies in Vienna and staring at the girls on those sites. How that city and those studios weren't on my radar before I have no clue.
Member #4636
10-06-18, 04:55
I'm sorry if I sounded like a dick in my post below. I just want people to understand my perspective.You did not sound like a dick. I get that perspective because I also feel the same too. If something is not ordinary and you have already spent to get there, you want the best out of it so you don't mind to throw an extra 50 e to get there. I have also done the same, I prefer to give something more and increase the pleasure. It is all VFM at the end of the day.
Would you feel comfortable rephrasing your original statement to "there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service for 50 EUR 30 min"?It seems to happen more than you think. You make it sound like it is impossible. It's not. I can't recall a club visit in 2018 where I did not have the opportunity.
Of course; if you go for 1 h sessions a lot more girls will provide a good performance (including all the services that FKK visitors normally would expect). I'd say 80- 90% of the girls (including the hottest). So, 100 E /1 h is the going rate IME. But yes, there are enough hot girls that will happily provide good performance in a 50 E /30 mnts session too. It's not about which girls provide what, but about your own attitude and expectations (and possibly a bit of luck and charm).
Of course #2; my experiences in 2017- 18 have basically been at Oase and World (and to a lesser extent at Atlanta / Sharks/Bernd's/Rom). I have not been to Palace and Mainhattan in a long time. The reason is primarily that I find it more difficult to get good peformance at a normal rate there. So; there you go.
I have never had such luck getting all these for just 50 e.Have you by any chance read this old post #7576 in Artemis thread http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1702812&viewfull=1#post1702812 (or something similar) and practiced these principles, not only hard negotiations? If you did and your results didn't improve, I am sorry I don't have any other suggestion. But if you are yet to practice these principles, very likely you will start having amazing results once you start, like my experience over the decades. Good luck Pksimar69.
I knew there was a word missing in my report. Nice find, Gino. Here is a better link to RB's report I think: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1702812&viewfull=1#post1702812.
It seems to happen more than you think. You make it sound like it is impossible. It's not. I can't recall a club visit in 2018 where I did not have the opportunity.
Of course; if you go for 1 h sessions a lot more girls will provide a good performance (including all the services that FKK visitors normally would expect). I'd say 80- 90% of the girls (including the hottest). So, 100 E /1 h is the going rate IME. But yes, there are enough hot girls that will happily provide good performance in a 50 E /30 mnts session too. It's not about which girls provide what, but about your own attitude and expectations (and possibly a bit of luck and charm).
Of course #2; my experiences in 2017- 18 have basically been at Oase and World (and to a lesser extent at Atlanta / Sharks/Bernd's/Rom). I have not been to Palace and Mainhattan in a long time. The reason is primarily that I find it more difficult to get good peformance at a normal rate there. So; there you go.My experience is very similar too. For over a decade, latest being in early 2018 (wish I can get out of this sex prison soon, else I might as well die LOL). That said, if even by mistake, even for only once, literally just one time, you pay more than the "standard" rates for any of the services, you are NOT going to get anything for the standard rate never ever in that club. And may even be not in any other clubs in Germany, Switzerland and Austria! Until you stop going to FKKs for couple of years by when fresh new girls come into the business who never saw / heard of you. These WGs talk. I mean really really TALK! About every single details about you. They have a lot of time in between sessions, even the busiest girls. They talk on the couches, in the locker rooms, in their sleeping rooms, restaurants, everywhere. Consider the girls in your personal life talking, make that 100 times for these WGs. If one girl sees a post here in ISG that she thinks her friends should know, that will be spread viral in no time LOL. And they never ever forget who was a sucker (or not), even after many years!
Only for once, few years back, I paid 200 e for an hour of super hot sweaty 1 hour public session with CIM in Palace kino, which I should have paid the standard 150 e. After that one mistake, I could not get any standard rate service in Palace for next couple of years from any girls!
Even worse (or should I say was better for me), I was surprised that one girl I never met before, very nicely told me in Globe (Zurich) that she saw me in Sharks couple of years back with her friend, and she knows what I like and how much I pay. She described quite correctly all these but also warned me that the costs are going to about double, but she would like to give me discounts as she wants to be my regular like her friend back in Sharks. She is a Globe hottie in early 20's!
So IME, whatever maximum I pay for whatever service one time, just ONE TIME, even by mistake, that becomes a minimum rate (almost like written on my forehead) that I will have to pay across the board for these WGs. And if I paid more than the standard rates, they will try to get even more for the same service in every occasion as they know I don't stick to standard rates. I think I can bring the rates back to standard only in one of the two ways. Either I stop going to FKKs for next couple of years, and then the new girls don't know me. Or accept a lot of declines from these WGs until they all talk and the cartel decides that this guy is no longer a sucker, so only way to get any euros from him is by delivering services at standard rates, which is still some awesome money compared to nothing!
My experience is very similar too. For over a decade, latest being in early 2018 (wish I can get out of this sex prison soon, else I might as well die LOL). That said, if even by mistake, even for only once, literally just one time, you pay more than the "standard" rates for any of the services, you are NOT going to get anything for the standard rate never ever in that club. And may even be not in any other clubs in Germany, Switzerland and Austria! Until you stop going to FKKs for couple of years by when fresh new girls come into the business who never saw / heard of you. These WGs talk. I mean really really TALK! About every single details about you. They have a lot of time in between sessions, even the busiest girls. They talk on the couches, in the locker rooms, in their sleeping rooms, restaurants, everywhere. Consider the girls in your personal life talking, make that 100 times for these WGs. If one girl sees a post here in ISG that she thinks her friends should know, that will be spread viral in no time LOL. And they never ever forget who was a sucker (or not), even after many years!Don't be paranoiac, girls talk, but guys bullshit even more, so many need, rather than enjoying fucking girls.
Manners and skill pay as money, but 50 are for rabbit sex, too short to take time to make love in bed, with foreplay. Making really cum girls, not just fake porn moaning, make girls looking at you in different way. Even those who try to block at the beginning but when they feel it s coming, most of girls will help you to make them cum, some pressing on your head. Even exhausting for some, but it s like a drug, they want to feel, and they don t get so often real orgasmus, some nearly squirting, some with really sticky juice. Funny to try to make them taste their own juice.
Sebastiane
10-06-18, 16:21
I don't agree with Mr. Shark. I speak fluent German and the service I get varies from girl to girl and from club to club. Sure girls talk but it is not as bad as you are making out. In over 10 years of mongering all over Germany I can speak with experience. When I started years ago at Palace 50 e usually got you DFK, sex, BBBJ and a GFE with some girls for 30 min. Now you have to pay 100-150 for the same but you go for an hour. And I personally am not going to haggle over 50 euros with a girl who is the one I want to go with! Sure you can keep on rejecting girls until one agrees to do everything for 50 e but that's not why I go to FKKs. I go to have sex with the most beautiful girls and very few of the hottest girls now with give you what you want for just 50. I would rather pay a 10 100 for 30 min than wait for a 6 for a measly 50 e saving! Obviously there is some variation depending on the club: a 10 at Samya with everything I want will be less than a 10 at Palace or Harmony or Globe simply because the latter clubs have higher rates.
I know girls talk- I myself have mentioned it- but it can also work in your favour if you have a good reputation. And that increases if you've become a regular!
At the end of the day we all go to FKK looking for slightly different things other than just fucking. Some want to try only girls who are 18 or 19, some will only go for optificks, some wait for the 10's only, some want a fuck for 50 only no matter what. And some guys pre-book their favourites for multiple hours or even the whole day!
I personally don't think the effect of tourists on pricing is that high as most of the customers tend to be locals -- even though it could be Auslander who live and work in Germany.
Member #4581
10-06-18, 16:26
I hope you are right but from my experience I find it very difficult, not to say impossible, to find a girl that will let us put a finger in her vagina and lick her pussy just for 50 e including also fucking of course and BBBJ and DFK. I feel like I will keep on moving to find a better performer which will never be there. All the girls I have met ask for an extra fee for DATY (which I want always).FIV is something most working girls dislike because it can be a health risk. Doesn't matter if she is a semi regular or if it is just a first time 50 E with her. It makes sense too, as they don't know where that finger has been, how dirty is it, whether the guy even washes his hands after wiping his ass. If she lets every single monger put fingers in her pussy it can lead to problems. Apart from hygiene, another problem is that some guys could be rough with how hard they poke; and it is wrong for mongers to demand that FIV be automatically included in 50 E or 100 E. You wouldn't want to work in a unhealthy working environment and be asked to do dangerous things, why should the girl be? If the girl lets you, great. But just because the monger claims his hands are clean does not mean the girl should take his word and let him plow her pussy with his digits.
Kosher Kowboy
10-06-18, 16:35
FIV is something most working girls dislike because it can be a health risk. Does and't matter if she is a semi regular or if it is just a first time 50 E with her. It makes sense too, as they don't know where that finger has been, how dirty is it, whether the guy washes his hands after wiping his ass. And if she lets every monger put fingers in her pussy it can lead to problems. And it is wrong for mongers to demand that FIV be included in 50 E or 100 E. You would and't want to work in a unhealthy working environment and be asked to do dangerous things, why should the girl be?Well said. Many WGs here and many more there have all told me they have no desire to have men shoving bacteria laced fingernails up their pussies and / or getting a vaginal cut and not being able to work. Several don't even want the outside touched and / or rubbed but will permit it. They just ask not to stick them in. Just sitting for ten minutes talking to a girl prior to a room a guy may move an ashtray, might be smoking himself, might shake the hand of another monger he knows who walks buy or move a dirty glass out of the way there are a million things to transfer bacteria to a guys fingers than in to the vagina. The tear is actually their bigger concerns all takes is a tiny little piece of a nail. A bad yeast / bacterial infection or a tear in the vagina can put a girl out of commission as long as a STD could.
But just like girls will let guys AO them and take on the risk in the mainstream clubs there will be girls who do allow FIV. But as you say, most dislike it.
I hope you are right but from my experience I find it very difficult, not to say impossible, to find a girl that will let us put a finger in her vagina and lick her pussy just for 50 e including also fucking of course and BBBJ and DFK. I feel like I will keep on moving to find a better performer which will never be there. All the girls I have met ask for an extra fee for DATY (which I want always).We mongers tend to forget that these Romanian (or Bulgarian etc EE) girls still go back to their home country every few weeks or months, and back there that same 50 e is equivalent to about 10% of most folks monthly income. So basically they make same as their brothers, cousins or fathers make in whole month, in only 5 hours max. There are some exceptions, but most of these girls are more tied to their home country and family than the life in Germany which is to only make quick money. Like in any work, only the folks who loves their job (not just the money) and works hard, succeeds easily in making good money. We should support their hard work, but also remember this dynamics that 50 e for 30 minutes standard rate service is a great pay rate for an EE girl once she accepts the work of an WG. And even if we take this dynamics out, how may of the mongers actually make 100 e per hour or 600-1000 e per working day consistently? So we should not feel bad about the standard rates. It's a win-win situation for all parties, and it's up to all parties to remind themselves about it to keep it that way. Otherwise Germany will become like in USA, Australia or Canada. Hope not.
Well said. Many WGs here and many more there have all told me they have no desire to have men shoving bacteria laced fingernails up their pussies and / or getting a vaginal cut and not being able to work. Several don't even want the outside touched and / or rubbed but will permit it. They just ask not to stick them in.I know of one who doesn't even want to let mongers lick her butt hole. She said she got a pussy infection once, and she believed she got it from letting a monger eat her asshole out, who went from ass to pussy to ass eating her out.
Member #4636
10-06-18, 20:31
Have you by any chance read this old post #7576 in Artemis thread http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1702812&viewfull=1#post1702812 (or something similar) and practiced these principles, not only hard negotiations? If you did and your results didn't improve, I am sorry I don't have any other suggestion. But if you are yet to practice these principles, very likely you will start having amazing results once you start, like my experience over the decades. Good luck Pksimar69.Thanks, I just read the post and it confirmed what I have also noticed that is missing in these clubs: Chemistry. It is not just the way you talk to each other before going to the room, it is that click in your mind that only few girls can give IMO. I have met one girl in Palace that has done this click to me but knowing that the chances to see her and having sex with her is like a roulette just gives me more stress. I tried to see her 5 times and succeed only once and that because I was very lucky. With all other girls I don't see that click happening. And how can I see it when some girls approach you in a way 'Hello, , what's your name? Do you want to go to the room?
Males me wonder sometimes how are mongers really turned on when they go to these clubs? If you haven't fucked for 2 weeks and taken a blue pill before it is fine, you fuck anything that is moving anyway, but seriously do you get hard when you just see these ladies walking naked? Just wondering.
Member #4581
10-06-18, 21:05
"Girls talk", yes but I think this "girls talk and their ability to remember" assumes a mythical standard around here in ISG. Girls talk the same way we talk. At least here on ISG our talk gets recorded, and is searchable. Their talk is oral, and subject to vagaries of time and only in small circles. Roxanna did not talk to Cosmina, Evita and Arianna might not have liked each other yadda yadda. What Roxanna knew, Cosmina might not. Here on this site, whether KK likes me or not, I know what his experiences and likes were and vice versa (just kidding, I love KK and his reports LOL).
Secondly, the ability of girls to remember specific details about guys is also elevated to a mythical standard. Again, I dispute this notion. They are not blessed with super human memories. If they were, they would not be sucking dick and licking ass for a living. As in any other profession or walk of life, sometimes *some* girls remember *some* guys and *some* of their wants and dislikes. Pretty normal. You might remember a few things about a customer that you served two years ago in your own business. Not that different from their situation. Yes, I sometimes run into girls who remember small things from a while ago. I also run into girls who had no memory of having even fucked. Steffi did not remember me after having fucked twice or thrice before. And she was hardly alone.
I think guys generally are happy that a pretty girl from a while ago remembers anything about them, stokes their ego and ergo they play up the "girls talk and they remember" story.
The other thing is that there is a constant churn of girls in these clubs that they can't be such efficient mechanisms of information exchange. If the 6 or 8 girls I fucked two years ago in a club are no longer there, and now we have 50 totally new girls, there is no information exchange. It is not as if they catalogued all their brain dump into a secret vault, accessible only to FKK girls.
Member #4636
10-06-18, 21:56
"I think guys generally are happy that a pretty girl from a while ago remembers anything about them, stokes their ego and ergo they play up the "girls talk and they remember" story..I met a girl the other day that remembered that on my last visit she asked me for a room and I told her 'Later'.
LOL.
I think guys generally are happy that a pretty girl from a while ago remembers anything about them, stokes their ego and ergo they play up the "girls talk and they remember" story.
Perhaps. But WGs will always remember the guys that do long rooms and / or the customers that repeat often with the same WG.
The whale might just "wife" one girl at a time, but I bet 90 percent of the WGs can point to the whale and say who his wife is. Reception and the male regulars who spend 40+ hours in the club can also sometimes remember who the whale is there to see. This is of course amplified in smaller clubs.
As for smaller details about likes. I think WGs might make small mental effort if ever they might get the opportunity to steal him away from his wife. Or his wife retires.
It seems to happen more than you think. You make it sound like it is impossible. It's not. I can't recall a club visit in 2018 where I did not have the opportunity.
Of course; if you go for 1 h sessions a lot more girls will provide a good performance (including all the services that FKK visitors normally would expect). I'd say 80- 90% of the girls (including the hottest). So, 100 E /1 h is the going rate IME. But yes, there are enough hot girls that will happily provide good performance in a 50 E /30 mnts session too. It's not about which girls provide what, but about your own attitude and expectations (and possibly a bit of luck and charm).
Of course #2; my experiences in 2017- 18 have basically been at Oase and World (and to a lesser extent at Atlanta / Sharks/Bernd's/Rom). I have not been to Palace and Mainhattan in a long time. The reason is primarily that I find it more difficult to get good peformance at a normal rate there. So; there you go.I would agree with this comment. It's all about chemistry. A little bait of additional tips for a good 30 minute session could also work. In my opinion as a visitor these hour sessions are only 45 minutes and I definitely don't have piv sex for 30+ minutes to take up the whole hour. Maybe I'm doing it wrong but even slow foreplay slow everything is still like 30 to 45 minutes. As much as most guys want to believe they are porno stars the truth is 15 minute of piv is a strong time for most guys.
That being said you are not going to get this price at palace. The entry fee is too high that the girls charge way more and sharky attitude is a lot more present compared to Oase and shark which remain my favorites.
I don't agree with Mr. Shark.
I would rather pay a 10 100 for 30 min than wait for a 6 for a measly 50 e saving!We don't have to agree. It can still be a good and respectful discussion. But I think you are missing my point a little.
I have always liked the honesty in your reports as you always seem to pay the 50 E extra to the girls. You are free to overpay as much as you like. I don't care. Just as long as you do not pretend what you pay is the going rate. Because most gents including myself will pay 300 E for a day at a FKK club getting the exact same thing that you pay 450 E for. It's obviously fine by me. I hope it's ok for you.
My point is that if the girls are used to that you are overpaying, then it will be very difficult for you to find girls in the club at a normal rate. Even if other gents do. Have you ever tried?
But as long as you have the money to overpay and are okay with overpaying, then I have absolutely no problem with it.
Member #4581
10-06-18, 23:29
Perhaps. But WGs will always remember the guys that do long rooms and / or the customers that repeat often with the same WG.
The whale might just "wife" one girl at a time, but I bet 90 percent of the WGs can point to the whale and say who his wife is. Reception and the male regulars who spend 40+ hours in the club can also sometimes remember who the whale is there to see. This is of course amplified in smaller clubs.
As for smaller details about likes. I think WGs might make small mental effort if ever they might get the opportunity to steal him away from his wife. Or his wife retires.The kinda memory that is imputed in the anecdotes and myths on this site are much more than knowing who the wife of a whale is.
How many times have we seen reports here "I stepped into the club, and this girl that I have not been with in x years knew everything there is to know about me" or "I ran into this girl who I never fucked before, but she knew all my likes and dislikes from her friends who had sessioned with me"...
It is those kinds of anecdotes. I don't doubt those things happen or that some girls here and there know a few details about some guys they docket away as future customers. But to extrapolate such instances into "girls talk and remember" -- there is an element of grand self importance ("I am such a good customer that girls know about me in advance and remember me for a long time even I dont session with them") and ascribing mythical memory abilities to most girls.
Fact is, if you truly poll most girls, they miss as miss as much as anyone else and forget as much as anyone else. For every girl that notices who a guy is going to the rooms with, there are multiple girls who are yapping away with their pals and miss things happening right under their noses.
FIV is something most working girls dislike because it can be a health risk.So true. I think most gents agree to that. Oh, I remember one of my first FKK sessions way back and the girl explaining why she would not let my nails inside her vagina: "Did you ever try to open a door with your tongue or with your penis? Do you ever wipe your ass with your tongue or with your penis? I would rather do you bareback than having your nails in me!!!" LOL! Point taken. :)
My problem is when girls ask extra money and make a business out of it. FIV is NOT an extra. Neither is kissing.
On a more serious note I am shocked that none of you are trying to help out Pksimar69. The dude loves DATY, can't live without it, and always pays extra for it .... Seriously? Is this for real? Pksimar69, let me tell you: DATY is NOT an extra. I must have surpassed 1000 sessions in FKK Clubs by now, love DATY, always DATY, and has NEVER paid extra for it. Please take notes.
Member #4581
10-06-18, 23:56
So true. I think most gents agree to that. Oh, I remember one of my first FKK sessions way back and the girl explaining why she would not let my nails inside her vagina: "Did you ever try to open a door with your tongue or with your penis? Do you ever wipe your ass with your tongue or with your penis? I would rather do you bareback than having your nails in me!!!" LOL! Point taken. :)
My problem is when girls ask extra money and make a business out of it. FIV is NOT an extra. Neither is kissing.
On a more serious note I am shocked that none of you are trying to help out Pksimar69. The dude loves DATY, can't live without it, and always pays extra for it .... Seriously? Is this for real? Pksimar69, let me tell you: DATY is NOT an extra. I must have surpassed 1000 sessions in FKK Clubs by now, love DATY, always DATY, and has NEVER paid extra for it. Please take notes.Yama2 makes a career out of DATY. He reports very honestly and accurately how much time he spends on each sexual activity in the room with any given girl and how much he pays. AFAIK, he pays nothing extra for DATY.
And I agree, paying extra DATY is a total ripoff. It is not my thing, but it is one of those -- the girl should be paying the guy for pleasuring her. Or at least DATY and BJ cancel each other out. LOL.
HungryStud101
10-07-18, 05:10
I don't agree with Mr. Shark. I speak fluent German and the service I get varies from girl to girl and from club to club. Sure girls talk but it is not as bad as you are making out. In over 10 years of mongering all over Germany I can speak with experience. When I started years ago at Palace 50 e usually got you DFK, sex, BBBJ and a GFE with some girls for 30 min. Now you have to pay 100-150 for the same but you go for an hour. And I personally am not going to haggle over 50 euros with a girl who is the one I want to go with! Sure you can keep on rejecting girls until one agrees to do everything for 50 e but that's not why I go to FKKs. I go to have sex with the most beautiful girls and very few of the hottest girls now with give you what you want for just 50. I would rather pay a 10 100 for 30 min than wait for a 6 for a measly 50 e saving! Obviously there is some variation depending on the club: a 10 at Samya with everything I want will be less than a 10 at Palace or Harmony or Globe simply because the latter clubs have higher rates.
I know girls talk- I myself have mentioned it- but it can also work in your favour if you have a good reputation. And that increases if you've become a regular!
At the end of the day we all go to FKK looking for slightly different things other than just fucking. Some want to try only girls who are 18 or 19, some will only go for optificks, some wait for the 10's only, some want a fuck for 50 only no matter what. And some guys pre-book their favourites for multiple hours or even the whole day!
I personally don't think the effect of tourists on pricing is that high as most of the customers tend to be locals -- even though it could be Auslander who live and work in Germany.I agree wholeheartedly with this post.
I feel like a fool for not going to the room with a girl over a few Euros sitting back in the sex prison. You never know. I may never get back.
Member #4636
10-07-18, 05:43
On a more serious note I am shocked that none of you are trying to help out Pksimar69. The dude loves DATY, can't live without it, and always pays extra for it .... Seriously? Is this for real? Pksimar69, let me tell you: DATY is NOT an extra. I must have surpassed 1000 sessions in FKK Clubs by now, love DATY, always DATY, and has NEVER paid extra for it. Please take notes.If you have done 1000 DATY and never paid extra you seem to have serious skills in negotiating. I don't know how you do it so I have my eyes open to read your secret!
Maybe I forgot to say that except for DATY I almost always ask for CIM, COF and I never go for 30 min sessions unless I haven't fucked for 2 weeks.
9 out of 10 I pay 150/ hour for that pack which I find normal from what I read in the ISG board. So it is not like I ask DATY only as an extra when negotiating but I want DATY to be included in the pack. There are some ladies that have asked 200 for that including BBBJ which I usually reject unless she is very hot.
Kosher Kowboy
10-07-18, 08:11
I feel like a fool for not going to the room with a girl over a few Euros sitting back in the sex prison. .I feel the same, for a year I went back and forth over 50 Euros with a favorite and same thing with a new found favorite too over the same amount; now I am happy fucking both of them regularly at club rate for services rendered. Zero regrets now. Life is too short to haggle over a few Euros if it is the girl you really want to fuck and no more walking away from a girl because she won't let me shove my bacteria and fungus laced fist with dangling hangnails up her fucking kunt for 50 Euros during our wedding night.
As if prison isn't bad enough tonight I got dragged in to a torture chamber, just another arm of the Sexual Prison System we live in. Had dinner with another monger from this neck of the woods and got dragged in to Perfect 10, Austin's finest strip club after eating. The girls were actually all very doable, many lookers but no action. Just $20 dances. I happily would have paid $100 for a CBJ and a fuck tonight even $150 from any Shark! I would have paid any Gypsy even more to service me. We got dances instead. Biggest fucking scam ever. Combined 10 dances for $200 and $30 on club entry. For what? I got nothing from them. Our strippers are actually pretty but we can't fuck them but we can fuck our hookers but they are ' The Deplorables ' ; can't win either way. This country sucks.
At least I got to shake Ultra Happy's hand good night.
As if prison isn't bad enough tonight I got dragged in to a torture chamber, just another arm of the Sexual Prison System we live in. Had dinner with another monger from this neck of the woods and got dragged in to Perfect 10, Austin's finest strip club after eating. The girls were actually all very doable, many lookers but no action. Just $20 dances. I happily would have paid $100 for a CBJ and a fuck tonight even $150 from any Shark! I would have paid any Gypsy even more to service me. We got dances instead. Biggest fucking scam ever. Combined 10 dances for $200 and $30 on club entry. For what? I got nothing from them. Our strippers are actually pretty but we can't fuck them but we can fuck our hookers but they are ' The Deplorables ' ; can't win either way. This country sucks.I can't even bring myself to go to a USA Strip club anymore. A few times I have tried. Got the money I wanted to spend and everything, but then I just couldn't do it. Didn't even leave the house for the strip club. For that kind of money in Germany, I could have had an hour long session with a really pretty girl and fucked her in her mouth, pussy, and asshole (with a nut in each orifice) and still had time for some massage. Have passport, will travel!
HungryStud101
10-07-18, 14:07
Absolutely true Kowboy.
Sebastiane
10-07-18, 14:32
We don't have to agree. It can still be a good and respectful discussion. But I think you are missing my point a little.
I have always liked the honesty in your reports as you always seem to pay the 50 E extra to the girls. .Thanks for liking my reports but I don't pay 50 extra for things that are not 'extras'- unless the girl is absolutely one I must go with!' I pay extra for things like analingus, [CodeWord119] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord119), CIM, anal, but rarely for DFK or DATY. I only pay that if the girl is 9+/10 and doesn't want to go to a room for 50 for 30 minutes. Then I have no problem with paying 50 extra if she won't go. Why? I don't want to miss an opportunity to have sex. The reason I usually get excellent service is that I tend to go with 4 or 5 girls per day and spend an hour with each girl. I rarely do 30 minutes sessions even from the start of my FKK career. So my average spend is more like 500-700. The most I've spent I think is 1400 but that was with 7 girls including 2 threesomes and many extras!!
I agree we don't have to agree but I just thought your post was too unrepresentative.
Sebastiane
10-07-18, 14:42
W. Because most gents including myself will pay 300 E for a day at a FKK club getting the exact same thing that you pay 450 E for. I.I doubt that very much I. E 'that you get exactly the same'. Unless that just means 'sex' but if you mean 'sex with high 8's, 9's and 10's (the only ones I go with) including DFK, DATY, 69, BBBJ and analingus' I doubt it even more! But there's no point in arguing. I rarely go for 30 min sessions and my standard is 60/100.
Sebastiane
10-07-18, 14:44
It's been 3 years since I was in Palace but would like to go back soon but I need to know on which days the girls are completely nude.
Thanks.
"I stepped into the club, and this girl that I have not been with in x years knew everything there is to know about me" or "I ran into this girl who I never fucked before, but she knew all my likes and dislikes from her friends who had sessioned with me"...I am less skeptical than you on this point. I believe these feats of memory can happen often but the posters omit details (I. E. How much they paid, how much time they spent in the room, quirky fetishes they might have). It is precisely these details that make certain mongers easy to stand out and easy to remember.
Here is a hypothetical scenario. Let's imagine your fetish is to BDSM, peeing, or bareback cum-in-ass anal. It really doesn't matter. You invest maybe 30-40 hours room time on ten different WGs, trying to build rapport. Over time, you've made your fetish known to all of them. But you soon realize all ten are just stringing you along, telling you "don't worry baby, we make this next time, I promise". Then you session Steffi. After about the fifth session, you stop going with other WGs, and make Steffi your exclusive FKK wife. Over the six months you then proceed to spend 150 hours room time with Steffi. Because you are such a VIP customer this affords you plenty of pre-and-post-zimmer couch time. Everybody in the club notices that the two of you are attached at the hip (all WGs, most of the staff, many of the local male regulars). At that point, the two of you become "talked about" because other WGs become jealous of Steffi or curious how she hooked such a good whale. Even if Steffi never says anything to anybody about your fetish, WGs will assume she performs this fetish for you. Your face, your potential financial upside as a future customer, and your fetish is then captured in the memory of about 100 WGs.
It is those kinds of anecdotes. I don't doubt those things happen or that some girls here and there know a few details about some guys they docket away as future customers. But to extrapolate such instances into "girls talk and remember" -- there is an element of grand self importance.Yes, some posters suffer from NPD, which is mainly characterized by "exaggerated sense of self-importance". Symptoms are presented in bullet points here. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662.
Fact is, if you truly poll most girls, they miss as miss as much as anyone else and forget as much as anyone else. For every girl that notices who a guy is going to the rooms with, there are multiple girls who are yapping away with their pals and miss things happening right under their noses.The only ones that are truly branded as being forgetful are WGs like Sylvana. She probably approached me at least ten times, before she finally "recognized" me and left me alone.
At about the seven or so clubs that I attend the most, I find that I know the "service reputations" of between 5-35 percent of the LU on a given night. Counting WGs that are not working that day or recently retired, I probably know the service reputation for easily a 1000 WGs.
For instance, if a monger companions asks me, "what do you know about that WG standing over there?" I can often "pull up her profile" based on what other mongers have told me and respond with "I never been with her myself. But three monger friends liked her. They all pay well so YMMV if you want just a 50 EUR session. Also of those monger friends, one only repeats if the WG does DFK, and another only repeats if the WG does anal, so I suspect the WG you are interested will be extremely open to both".
Why do I bring this up? Because as humans we tend to remember details, when we hear the same story from multiple sources (or hear the same story from the same source repeatedly). The WGs sit in the club full-time. They chat amongst each other full-time. When a customer walks by they might talk about him (that what us mongers do most of the time), so I wouldn't be surprised if each WG could easily remember 3000 faces, and some small details about each. I suspect they are more incentivized to remember the guys at the two separate extremes (I. E. Future potential whales or cheap, hard-to-please, time-wasters).
Member #4581
10-07-18, 16:11
You can debate this endlessly, as always happens. Here are some examples. Steffi did not remember me after 2 or 3 sessions. Others like that: Janine, Aurelia, Evita, Nikki, many others. Those are just from my own personal history. You say girls can remember 3000 guests. I am positive that Steffi and very certainly Janine did not session with 3000 guys a minimum of 2,3 times. Yet they forgot me. It is those instances guys conveniently forget to mention here.
And it is not as if anyone has done a survey to test their memory. Girls talk endlessly, yes they do -- but unless you understand Romanian, you have no clue what they are yapping about. They may be talking about a hundred other things. They are sitting there talking and regurgitating only about clients and their likes and dislike?? And given how many cliques are there in these Rom gangs, how are they passing intel across sub groups, and from German to Rom to Hungarian to Bulgarian, and how are they keeping knowledge alive over years and years when they keep changing clubs and going in and out of business?
Member #4636
10-07-18, 16:17
And it is not as if anyone has done a survey to test their memory. Girls talk endlessly, yes they do -- but unless you understand Romanian, you have no clue what they are yapping about. They may be talking about a hundred other things. They are sitting there talking and regurgitating only about clients and their likes and dislike?? And given how many cliques are there in these Rom gangs, how are they passing intel across sub groups, and from German to Rom to Hungarian to Bulgarian, and how are they keeping knowledge alive over years and years when they keep changing clubs and going in and out of business?I once asked these Romanian ladies what they are talking about all the time and they told me that the clients was not their main discussion. They talk about their life back home, their new heels, their stomach ache (have you noticed they keep drinking tea?) their problems with the roommates etc. I find it reasonable not talking about our dicks to be honest. They do remember a client that pays much although they don't remember their name.
If you have done 1000 DATY and never paid extra you seem to have serious skills in negotiating. I don't know how you do it so I have my eyes open to read your secret!
Maybe I forgot to say that except for DATY I almost always ask for CIM, COF and I never go for 30 min sessions unless I haven't fucked for 2 weeks.
9 out of 10 I pay 150/ hour for that pack which I find normal from what I read in the ISG board. So it is not like I ask DATY only as an extra when negotiating but I want DATY to be included in the pack. There are some ladies that have asked 200 for that including BBBJ which I usually reject unless she is very hot.150 is just normal rate for 1 hour with CIM in Hessen. I think many girls would accept at Sharks where business is not so busy now. Even cost only 125 in NRW.
Most of girls don t respect club rate which is 50/30 mn including DFK, DATY, BJ and sex, at Palace, but usually WGs don t ask for extra to be DATY, good way to change a girl behavior on first room. Some even say: thank You, after orgasmus, most say: now your turn for pleasure. Girls don t look at You in same way when You make them cum, and easier from clit than vagina, with most of them.
You can debate this endlessly, as always happens. Here are some examples. Steffi did not remember me after 2 or 3 sessions. Others like that: Janine, Aurelia, Evita, Nikki, many others. Those are just from my own personal history. You say girls can remember 3000 guests. I am positive that Steffi and very certainly Janine did not session with 3000 guys a minimum of 2,3 times. Yet they forgot me. It is those instances guys conveniently forget to mention here.
And it is not as if anyone has done a survey to test their memory. Girls talk endlessly, yes they do -- but unless you understand Romanian, you have no clue what they are yapping about. They may be talking about a hundred other things. They are sitting there talking and regurgitating only about clients and their likes and dislike?? And given how many cliques are there in these Rom gangs, how are they passing intel across sub groups, and from German to Rom to Hungarian to Bulgarian, and how are they keeping knowledge alive over years and years when they keep changing clubs and going in and out of business?JNPR, it doesn't surprise me that Janine was forgetful. Same with Sylvana. They both were lonewolfs.
Steffi talks to me once in a while, because I have monger friends that go with her. So Steffi knows me, even though I have never sessioned with her. Same with Evita. They'd often be cuddling up with a monger friend while I was standing there beside them as a third wheel. Monger friend would say "Hey, do you know McA?" Their smart-ass response was always "Yes, of course. He is always here". I have probably been introduced to Evita five times in this manner, although we've never actually spoken directly one-on-one. WGs know me through their network of WG friends and through their network of clients.
Ninety percent of the WGs I have a scouting report on are WGs I have never sessioned before. Many I have never even personally talked to. I only know about them through my monger friends network. I attend the clubs maybe 75 days a year. Many of my monger friends attend even more than I do. Or I have monger friends that dedicate 90 percent of their visits to one club, so when I visit their home club, I get subject matter expert level of knowledge from them. Often, they overload my brain with names and scouting reports. I retain about 25 percent. But these guys tend to be happy to repeat, if I ask them to share. When I said that a WG could probably remember 3000 faces and small details about each, I would say a substantial percentage of the faces they know, are not mongers they've sessioned with, but mongers that are at the club most often or spend the largest amounts.
In reality, I may have only logged 10 visits at Sharks this year. To the WGs, it probably seems like am there more, because I am always sitting on the couch (never doing long rooms). But there is continuity. Sometimes a fresh-off-the-bus WG will see me walking by and say "Hey baby where you go?" The veteran WG will will then abruptly say to FOTB WG, "Don't waste your time with that one. He only goes with WGs with big tits". They do the tits cupping motion with their hands, which is universal. I laugh. They laugh back. I keep walking around the track. There are also WGs that do the FKK club circuit. Egyptian Angelina knows me from Palace, Oase, and Sharks. Her friends at all three of those clubs never approach me.
I feel the same, for a year I went back and forth over 50 Euros with a favorite and same thing with a new found favorite too over the same amount; now I am happy fucking both of them regularly at club rate for services rendered. Zero regrets now. Life is too short to haggle over a few Euros if it is the girl you really want to fuck and no more walking away from a girl because she won't let me shove my bacteria and fungus laced fist with dangling hangnails up her fucking kunt for 50 Euros during our wedding night.
As if prison isn't bad enough tonight I got dragged in to a torture chamber, just another arm of the Sexual Prison System we live in. Had dinner with another monger from this neck of the woods and got dragged in to Perfect 10, Austin's finest strip club after eating. The girls were actually all very doable, many lookers but no action. Just $20 dances. I happily would have paid $100 for a CBJ and a fuck tonight even $150 from any Shark! I would have paid any Gypsy even more to service me. We got dances instead. Biggest fucking scam ever. Combined 10 dances for $200 and $30 on club entry. For what? I got nothing from them. Our strippers are actually pretty but we can't fuck them but we can fuck our hookers but they are ' The Deplorables ' ; can't win either way. This country sucks.
At least I got to shake Ultra Happy's hand good night.The countries that offer beautiful pussies for sales are the good quality of life countries because it enable you to save a lot of your stress, life, time, money. Like Mr cane said, mongers believe we can fly, touch the sky, and touch down in Germany to solve this issue LOL.
We got solution to that and we also combine it with memorable trip in sky.
Member #4581
10-08-18, 01:21
JNPR, it doesn't surprise me that Janine was forgetful. Same with Sylvana. They both were lonewolfs.
Steffi talks to me once in a while, because I have monger friends that go with her. So Steffi knows me, even though I have never sessioned with her. Same with Evita. They'd often be cuddling up with a monger friend while I was standing there beside them as a third wheel. Monger friend would say "Hey, do you know McA?" Their smart-ass response was always "Yes, of course. He is always here". I have probably been introduced to Evita five times in this manner, although we've never actually spoken directly one-on-one. WGs know me through their network of WG friends and through their network of clients.
Ninety percent of the WGs I have a scouting report on are WGs I have never sessioned before. Many I have never even personally talked to. I only know about them through my monger friends network. I attend the clubs maybe 75 days a year. Many of my monger friends attend even more than I do. Or I have monger friends that dedicate 90 percent of their visits to one club, so when I visit their home club, I get subject matter expert level of knowledge from them. Often, they overload my brain with names and scouting reports. I retain about 25 percent. But these guys tend to be happy to repeat, if I ask them to share. When I said that a WG could probably remember 3000 faces and small details about each, I would say a substantial percentage of the faces they know, are not mongers they've sessioned with, but mongers that are at the club most often or spend the largest amounts.
In reality, I may have only logged 10 visits at Sharks this year. To the WGs, it probably seems like am there more, because I am always sitting on the couch (never doing long rooms). But there is continuity. Sometimes a fresh-off-the-bus WG will see me walking by and say "Hey baby where you go?" The veteran WG will will then abruptly say to FOTB WG, "Don't waste your time with that one. He only goes with WGs with big tits". They do the tits cupping motion with their hands, which is universal. I laugh. They laugh back. I keep walking around the track. There are also WGs that do the FKK club circuit. Egyptian Angelina knows me from Palace, Oase, and Sharks. Her friends at all three of those clubs never approach me.You started your original reply with "I disagree: but I don't see any specific points of real disagreement, other than to say "I disagree".
You can say Steffi is an exception, Janine is an exception, Evita is an exception and so on. I can only give specific examples from my first hand experience. And I am not even talking about girls that I never sessioned with -- such girls might not remember me or my face at all. If I give a handful of examples of specific girls who were multi session girls for me, and they don't even remember my face, that disproves the theory that these girls have super mythical memory which was built on endless internal discussions between them.
I never said these girls have zero memory. Just that they don't have super memory. If you give examples of this girl remembered this or that, that is a normal thing to expect. In any business line, business owner knows and remembers a few things or even many things about some/many customers: perfectly normal and expected.
I did say "some" girls remember "some" details about "some" guys "some" times. What gets written up here, in tones of wonderment and glee, are the instances when those examples of memory are presented. Yes it stokes my ego as well but there is no Herculean feat of biochemistry here.
I will wager any amount of money that almost no girl remembers anything about 3000 guys. Not even a real recognition of the faces. Half the girls probably can't tell which Asian they had fucked a few months earlier, they may all look the same to them. Unless it was a repeat regular customer.
And then you said you knew 75% of the girls. That is precisely what I said. Due to ISG and other mongers, men actually know a lot more about girls than vice versa. Info about girls is written up, recorded, stored, and is searchable. Half the guys who stepped into the dens of Sharks knew about servies and physical description and tats of Mandy at one point, never ever having seen her before.
Not so about the guys. And just looking at any one club -- there are at most a couple of hundred girls at Sharks in a year. Many of them stay for a few years even. In a give year, there are thousands of different mongers passing through the doors of Sharks. You do the math.
You started your original reply with "I disagree: but I don't see any specific points of real disagreement, other than to say "I disagree".
You can say Steffi is an exception, Janine is an exception, Evita is an exception and so on. I can only give specific examples from my first hand experience. And I am not even talking about girls that I never sessioned with -- such girls might not remember me or my face at all. If I give a handful of examples of specific girls who were multi session girls for me, and they don't even remember my face, that disproves the theory that these girls have super mythical memory which was built on endless internal discussions between them.
I never said these girls have zero memory. Just that they don't have super memory. If you give examples of this girl remembered this or that, that is a normal thing to expect. In any business line, business owner knows and remembers a few things or even many things about some/many customers: perfectly normal and expected.
I did say "some" girls remember "some" details about "some" guys "some" times. What gets written up here, in tones of wonderment and glee, are the instances when those examples of memory are presented. Yes it stokes my ego as well but there is no Herculean feat of biochemistry here.
I will wager any amount of money that almost no girl remembers anything about 3000 guys. Not even a real recognition of the faces. Half the girls probably can't tell which Asian they had fucked a few months earlier, they may all look the same to them. Unless it was a repeat regular customer.
And then you said you knew 75% of the girls. That is precisely what I said. Due to ISG and other mongers, men actually know a lot more about girls than vice versa. Info about girls is written up, recorded, stored, and is searchable. Half the guys who stepped into the dens of Sharks knew about servies and physical description and tats of Mandy at one point, never ever having seen her before.
Not so about the guys. And just looking at any one club -- there are at most a couple of hundred girls at Sharks in a year. Many of them stay for a few years even. In a give year, there are thousands of different mongers passing through the doors of Sharks. You do the math.Girls usually have very good memory, this is part of their job, they remember in which room, details about sex, details about you, your job, your plans, your dreams for life as asked me Kate when I will go, but she looked worried when I told her this is with helicopter and have to jump from helicopter to reach this ultimate spot = helli ski in Alaska. On this Saturday, I returned with a girl, I had only 1 room with her on March, when she saw me she smiled, she remembered about my way for sex, too much love in bed for her, but we repeated and she nearly made on bed. When I move all over FKK land, as say some girls: this guy goes everywhere, they remember me from other club. At Wellcum where I go only on August, to prepare and recover from the hell of Zoncolan, some girls remember me from previous Summer even I never had room with them. I met a Sharks pole dancer at Marina Slovenia, no room at Sharks but she remembered me at Marina. Before she didn't smile to me, now back at Sharks she smiles to me. What is funny is some girls who know details about me, tell me we were in room together, when I will never go with them. Girls look at us, what we do, with who we go, know details.
About us, even when we don t go with this girl.
For sure, I m afraid Janine was not even able to remember her own real name, but busy superstar with her busy Asian business, Evita knew I went only with Megan. When I chose her friend, very pretty, very sexy look, Nina, but my worst FKK room, she came from so low level Spanish business, I was downstairs after 15 mn, not waiting for her, the only girl I didn't walk downstairs with, she was running after me, asking if I would give her 50, even I put off condom because I didn't want to lose my time with a little girl behavior, when usually after 15 mn I m still kissing the girl, but she got her 50, but Evita and Mia I never had room with, went straight to lockers to ask her what happened. Mia came to me just after.
Girls look at us, talk about us, but don t become paranoiac. Some guys bullshit more than girls and need to gossip rather than fucking. This is FKK land. Even at high level Globe, I felt a German busy superstar didn't really want to go with me, about what she heard about me, very selective, so she thought she would not be good looking and in bed enough for me and was afraid I would go to complain on desk, she didn't know I never complained about any girl, even about so low level Nina. During our 2 hours first room, she told me: now I know, I will run to You. After her booking on desk, she came back full smiling, asking: I want a good fucking to finish my night. 1 hour later, she was exhausted with very dry vagina, at 2. 30 am, when she was so wet, asking me to fuck her again at 8 pm.
Didn't little Bulgarian princess remember about you?
I doubt that very much I. E 'that you get exactly the same'. Unless that just means 'sex' but if you mean 'sex with high 8's, 9's and 10's (the only ones I go with) including DFK, DATY, 69, BBBJ and analingus' I doubt it even more! But there's no point in arguing.You read me correct. I always find someone hotter and will encourage the readers of this forum to do the same. And you are correct: There is no point in arguing. Let's just agree to disagree.
I rarely go for 30 min sessions and my standard is 60/100.Not true. Why suddenly being so defensive? But again, no point in arguing. Those who want the facts can simply read your reports and make up their own mind.
Peace. Out.
You read me correct. I always find someone hotter and will encourage the readers of this forum to do the same. And you are correct: There is no point in arguing. Let's just agree to disagree.
Not true. Why suddenly being so defensive? But again, no point in arguing. Those who want the facts can simply read your reports and make up their own mind.
Peace. Out.I think, as say girls, we are all different with different behavior and tastes, I know I'm very different, but we are free to spend how we enjoy. I don't care about what do or spend other guys, I don't go for guys, I go to find girls who make me dream with their beauty and elegance, I hate prostitute behavior, then I run away, same with GND or upselling little girls. I want smart woman types who never speak about money, but just take what I give them.
Pleasure is not addiction, as long we are able to control what we do. But FKK game can t compete with real sports, running for improving records, a real drug.
Enjoy your life.
Due to ISG and other mongers, men actually know a lot more about girls than vice versa. Info about girls is written up, recorded, stored, and is searchable. Half the guys who stepped into the dens of Sharks knew about servies and physical description and tats of Mandy at one point, never ever having seen her before.If the forums contained photos so you can match "faces" to "details", I would probably agree with you. But in general male customers, do not have a knowledge advantage due to forums being searchable. ISG reporters omit a lot of details such as amount of time money / time spent with a WG, services they enjoyed with WG, or their own preferences and personal biases. If you speak to them in person, they are more open about this, and you have actual context.
Less than 10 percent of my knowledge about WGs comes from the forums. It comes from frequently chatting with other mongers in the club. I am starting to see why our opinions differ. You are less of a "loser" or "addict" than I am. You spend far fewer days in the club than I do (although on a yearly basis our visits to Sharks are probably equal). And since you spend fewer days, you are trying to maximize your enjoyment by spending more time in the rooms, which means you are isolated from the informal knowledge network. Also I believe your visits come in spurts. You may do four days in the club, and then be absent for six months. Recognition of faces and memorization of small details is probably similar to the cognitive process of learning a foreign language. You can't cram for four weeks, and then shelf it for six months and not use it. In order to retain, you must "learn" little by little and consistently, ideally every day. Like I said, I retain a small percentage of what I hear, but the repetitive and frequent knowledge transfers, and then constantly seeing the same faces (both WGs and other male mongers) over and over, means over time, I build up quite a knowledge base.
KK seems to be becoming both a recognizable face and subject matter expert at both Dietzenbach and Mainhattan. I think we can attribute this to his frequent rotations (sounds like one week every six weeks). He seems to make an effort to meet both frequent tourists and local regulars and I believe he has said that he derives most of his info from back channels. He builds relationships with other mongers. I also imagine KK as a person that is spending a lot of times on the couches bullshitting with other mongers because he doesn't appear to be a long room guy. I would also characterize him as helpful. So if you met up with KK at say Manhattan, he would be overloading you with what he knows about each WG as they pass by, and I am willing to wager any amount of money, that he can provide profiles for many WGs that he has NEVER sessioned with. If you have a question about a WG, he knows nothing about, he might say "Hold on, let me walk over to Gerhard who is here nearly every day. He will know more about her". Or he will send a WhatsApp msg to one of his Manhattan monger buddies. This act of doing legwork and research will help him add more profiles to his memory bank, especially after three mongers have asked him about the same WG. After your session is complete, KK will ask you for feedback. He can build a running tally. "That is now three out four that I spoke to who liked Irina". He will start to remember your preferences and probably be able to give you better suggestions in the future. Now he probably won't remember all the WGs you went with, but he will remember the ones you most often "annoy" him about. Like if you are Whatsapping KK every time he is in Frankfurt about whether he saw Irina on his last visit to Manhattan, he will remember that.
I will wager any amount of money that almost no girl remembers anything about 3000 guys.It is sad, but I think I can easily several hundred faces of male mongers, probably 80 percent I never have spoken to before. If I were to visit Sharks on a Sunday, I'd probably see about 25-35 familiar male faces. If I were to visit on Wednesday, I might see 10-15 familiar faces. So assuming there is some overlap because certain guys attended both days, I can remember about 40 faces of those who are actively visiting Sharks. Then there are mongers who have more or less stopped attending so much such as the young Turk you've spoken about many times before. So just at Sharks alone, over the seven years I have attended, I might recognize 100-200 males faces. Although may of these men I know from seeing them multiple times at multiple clubs. Sometimes you meet one monger, you are introduced to his entire network of friends. Other times I am sitting next to another monger friend who is waiting for Evita or Mandy to arrive. But at the same time, he is anxious that somebody else will get snatch her first. He anxiously scans the entrance, and every time a whale shows up, he points the guy out (not saying negative things). But over time, I start to recognize Evita or Mandy's regulars even though I don't actively wait for or observe the movements of Evita and Mandy.
And then you said you knew 75% of the girls.Small correction. I said I attend 75 days a year. Sharks, I am attending less these days, so I think I might only have "profiles" for 25 percent or less. Keep in mind that I do not know the names of many of these WGs. If someone asks me how is Raluca's services, I may stare at them clueless. But if he points her out to me, I might remember who in my monger network has tried her before. Of course, usually they will point her out to me, because mongers generally ask about the WGs they've never sessioned with or even talked to, so they are not going to know the WGs name yet.
I think the fact that I know WGs and mongers primarily via their faces underscores (at least for me) that what I read on ISG does not "stick" for me in terms of memory. I mean it is unwritten rule that we never physically describe other ISG posters, although I would guess that many mongers have gotten a description offline on what certain ISG posters look like. For WGs, ISG reports are always name-based. So I may read that Raluca gave "9" service. And then that reporter may follow with a physical description of Raluca and where she sits, but there is a bit of guesswork for me. If there is more than one WGs that fit the description, I might attribute that "9" service to the wrong WG. But when I get reviews from a fellow monger in person, it is easier for me to remember. I see and overhear the WG "working" my monger friend trying to close the sale. I see them disappear for 30-60 minutes. And then I see them leave the room. I see if he is smiling. And generally he will tell me how it went. So for future reference purposes, I won't attribute that "9" service to the wrong WG, unless two WGs are virtually identical twins.
Sebastiane
10-08-18, 16:51
You read me correct. I always find someone hotter and will encourage the readers of this forum to do the same. And you are correct: There is no point in arguing. Let's just agree to disagree.
Not true. Why suddenly being so defensive? But again, no point in arguing. Those who want the facts can simply read your reports and make up their own mind.
Peace. Out.Sure. Go ahead and read my old reports!! I have no reason to be defensive. If I was such I wouldn't write how much I I spend in each session in my reports!! I often spend a lot more because I usually get a lot of extras! Anyway let's stop this here. As long as we have fun in FKKs as we want! I think I have a rep as a bit of a big spender amongst the girls but no way a whale!
Kosher Kowboy
10-08-18, 19:56
I have been reading both your posts in your back and forth in various threads and just wanted to say despite minor differences in opinions I think both of you guys are correct about many things and have provided great insights in to the mongers and girls and share great information and experiences presented in a true and realistic manner in to the dynamics of all of this and within the parameters and boundaries of reality and facts. I don't always agree but never will I doubt the integrity and veracity of what both of you have to say and both of you all are great assets to the board.
Keep up the great work guys, I know you both are younger than many posters (for sure younger than this aging Texan) and club attendees but let me say both of you are wise way beyond your years with posts much more reflective of reality than many of your elders at times. Enjoy the fountain of youth, I hope to cross paths with both of you one day but if we do I highly doubt in will be in that ' shithole' I love so much :D
whether KK likes me or not, I know what his experiences and likes were and vice versa (just kidding, I love KK and his reports LOL).
I like you, was going to steal a line from an old Obama / Clinton debate (occurred a long time ago) but wouldn't want it to be misinterpreted as a slap (would have been simply humor), Obama on the other hand meant what he said to Hillary. I like most mongers, we are all different but are bonded together by a bunch of high volume ' over fucked' pussies who take our money and run as far from us as they can.
Which is exactly why I monger :D
KK seems to be becoming both a recognizable face and subject matter expert at both Dietzenbach and Mainhattan. I think we can attribute this to his frequent rotations (sounds like one week every six weeks). He seems to make an effort to meet both frequent tourists and local regulars and I believe he has said that he derives most of his info from back channels. He builds relationships with other mongers. I also imagine KK as a person that is spending a lot of times on the couches bullshitting with other mongers because he doesn't appear to be a long room guy. I would also characterize him as helpful. So if you met up with KK at say Manhattan, he would be overloading you with what he knows about each WG as they pass by, and I am willing to wager any amount of money, that he can provide profiles for many WGs that he has NEVER sessioned with. If you have a question about a WG, he knows nothing about, he might say "Hold on, let me walk over to Gerhard who is here nearly every day. He will know more about her". Or he will send a WhatsApp msg to one of his Manhattan monger buddies. This act of doing legwork and research will help him add more profiles to his memory bank, especially after three mongers have asked him about the same WG. After your session is complete, KK will ask you for feedback. He can build a running tally. "That is now three out four that I spoke to who liked Irina". He will start to remember your preferences and probably be able to give you better suggestions in the future. Now he probably won't remember all the WGs you went with, but he will remember the ones you most often "annoy" him about. Like if you are Whatsapping KK every time he is in Frankfurt about whether he saw Irina on his last visit to Manhattan, he will remember that.
I think you got me figured out about as good as the girls do. For those who wish to WA me about the Mainhatten girls feel free but spare your fingers the work on Irena and Yvonna; is safe to say if they are there they will be getting my money. I have tried both of their vaginas and was very satisfied.
I think you got me figured out about as good as the girls do.KK, some mongers if you speak to them at the bar, they've got that eye of the tiger look, like they haven't cum in three months. You ask them "Hey you know anything about that brunette standing over there?" They will grunt "No idea" and go back to frantically scanning the floor for their next target as if their car was illegally parked outside. You, however, have always come across as more helpful.
Your increasing interaction with Manhattan regulars and amount of time you spend on couches is one manner which you may have generated "buzz" amongst the WGs. That buzz, chatter, and curiosity amongst the WGs probably expedited the process for you to be a "recognized face". Mongers seen as helpful, chatty, and showing the newbies the ropes may make the WGs brand you as someone potentially dangerous or someone they can use as an ally for marketing.
My point was simply that a savant-like memory is not required. Its the repetition, frequency and consistency of human interactions that reinforces our ability to remember. These constant human interactions make it seem like our memories are savant-like. Here are three things that might help a monger remember details about WGs they've never sessioned with. If you speak with other mongers as much as I do, I think the following may be true for you as well, KK.
(1) Actively helping others. In the fictional scenario I used about you helping JNPR at Manhattan, you were not passive. You were actively listening as JNPR listed his preferences. You were asking insightful questions. You did research by speaking to "Gerhard" and whatsapping "Dieter". You then relayed back to JNPR "Her name is Raluca and my sources say she is a service grenade". Post-session, you ask JNPR for his feedback. Over the next six months, three other newbies at Manhattan ask about Raluca, and your knowledge of Raluca finally "sticks" in your memory.
(2) Stories and human emotion. For instance, if JNPR had gotten ripped off by Raluca, and you witnessed JNPR visibly irate, and it took you ten minutes to calm him down, guess what, that moment, and her actions are going to be stuck in your memory. Likewise, when a monger friend recounts how his relationship with his FKK wife crashed-and-burned. Or if you join your monger friend on his day three and he tells you about how he thinks he has found his next FKK wife. All these stories will have real human emotion that is going to be visceral, and I bet you will remember.
(3) Repetitiveness. If JNPR makes Raluca his FKK wife, then every few months when you bump into JNPR he will tell you about the latest news, drama, or updates.
So the question is are their female counterparts to guys like you amongst the WGs? I would say these WGs are like you on steroids! They spend way more hours at the club. They spend way more time on the club floor observing other customers and other WGs. And they talk to each other way more than us mongers do. All three bullet points can also allow WGs to learn about mongers that they have NEVER sessioned with.
Kosher Kowboy
10-09-18, 01:09
Your increasing interaction with Manhattan regulars and amount of time you spend on couches is one manner which you may have generated "buzz" amongst the WGs. That buzz, chatter, and curiosity amongst the WGs probably expedited the process for you to be a "recognized face". Mongers seen as helpful, chatty, and showing the newbies the ropes may make the WGs brand you as someone potentially dangerous or someone they can use as an ally for marketing.
So the question is are their female counterparts to guys like you amongst the WGs? I would say these WGs are like you on steroids! They spend way more hours at the club. They spend way more time on the club floor observing other customers and other WGs. And they talk to each other way more than us mongers do. All three bullet points can also allow WGs to learn about mongers that they have NEVER sessioned with.All of the above true. They know I have steered traffic in some of their directions at times, quite a few times over the last three years almost. Several trips ago I met a guy from South America there and he ended up right in front of a girl he was talking to asking me about her and I told him something to the extent she is lots of fun yet I had never been to the room with her. She ended up with an hour, got 100 for anal and 50 for CIM from him too plus the 50 for the BBBJ all in all over 300 Euros. That ' referral' did pay a dividend for me in the form of a one time discounted session. The only things they do not like is when they see me talking to Asians as I think they see me as a potential block to them charging them super inflated prices in the event the guy asks me about prices. At the end of the day they see me as a nice guy who will give them 100 Euros, no more, no less and they don't bother asking for more and they know I repeat and will always try a new vagina out each visit as well. They all get a turn. They know exactly what I like and I don't even bother talking about it on the floor, just go to the room and do our thing and they know I do not demand much or ask for anything out of bounds. For me it is stress free and in return they don't turn the heat on me. Being such a small club all holds true about their chatter while jacked up on steroids as you say, especially in this small a club they all know everything.
In the 3 situations you presented in the event JNPR makes Raluca his FKK wife by all means let me know so I can hit them from both ends, him for info and her for a small finders fee :D
I told him something to the extent she is lots of fun yet I had never been to the room with her. She ended up with an hour, got 100 for anal and 50 for CIM from him too plus the 50 for the BBBJ all in all over 300 Euros. Did the South American reveal that it was 300 EUR? The WG? Or both?
That ' referral' did pay a dividend for me in the form of a one time discounted session.I assume your discounted session did not occur the same day as the South American's. Did you have to remind her that you provided the assist and then plead your case for a discounted session? Or did she just reward you with the discounted session without you needing to ask?
All of the above true. They know I have steered traffic in some of their directions at times, quite a few times over the last three years almost. Several trips ago I met a guy from South America there and he ended up right in front of a girl he was talking to asking me about her and I told him something to the extent she is lots of fun yet I had never been to the room with her. She ended up with an hour, got 100 for anal and 50 for CIM from him too plus the 50 for the BBBJ all in all over 300 Euros. That ' referral' did pay a dividend for me in the form of a one time discounted session. The only things they do not like is when they see me talking to Asians as I think they see me as a potential block to them charging them super inflated prices in the event the guy asks me about prices. At the end of the day they see me as a nice guy who will give them 100 Euros, no more, no less and they don't bother asking for more and they know I repeat and will always try a new vagina out each visit as well. They all get a turn. They know exactly what I like and I don't even bother talking about it on the floor, just go to the room and do our thing and they know I do not demand much or ask for anything out of bounds. For me it is stress free and in return they don't turn the heat on me. Being such a small club all holds true about their chatter while jacked up on steroids as you say, especially in this small a club they all know everything.
In the 3 situations you presented in the event JNPR makes Raluca his FKK wife by all means let me know so I can hit them from both ends, him for info and her for a small finders fee.I do not mind mild upsell or go for longer session, but if girls ask ridiculous upselling then it is simple for me, I just go for 50 euro 30 min hardcore doggy banging session, cum then, I am out of the room.
HungryStud101
10-09-18, 02:18
I think, as say girls, we are all different with different behavior and tastes, I know I'm very different, but we are free to spend how we enjoy. I don't care about what do or spend other guys, e.Right on Sirioja. I think you said that you don't care what other guys spend. Neither do I and I agree with you. Yes, it is helpful to know what the typical rate is for a service. However, the price is set between the purchaser and the seller and it can vary dependent on several variables.
There has been a lot of chest thumping going on in this thread. Some guys openly criticized me for offering 100 E /30 min for a BJ that I like with a finish that I like. And I said that several of the very busy girls turned me down. They wanted 150 E /30 minutes for this. Now why would they turn my 100 E down and go with a guy for 50 E? That makes no sense?
Could be Sirioja is a repeat customer and in the FKK every week and maybe he does long rooms? Could be Shark16 is also very frequent visitor. Or maybe they like the shape of his dick and he reminds them of Ashton Kutcher? Maybe Gino is a financial wiz and helps them with their investments and he looks like a young Bruce Lee? Maybe I pissed the girl off like I did Gina back in March and she is not going to go with me for any price? Or it could be that the same girl would not go to the room for less than the price she offered me. She is able to get that price. There are always girls that will settle for my offer. There are always girls that are not so busy and will settle for less. I know I can do some girls in the club for 50 E and sometimes I go to the room with them. However, I usually need a little something. They have to have a certain je ne sais quoi that distinguishes them from the other girls. And it is always something a little different. I don't know what it is but I know it when I see it. And, more often than not, they are the busy girls. They can charge 100/30 min GFE and they can sometimes refuse to throw in the extra service. Not for me and not for anyone else.
UltraHappy
10-09-18, 02:18
As if prison isn't bad enough tonight I got dragged in to a torture chamber, just another arm of the Sexual Prison System we live in. Had dinner with another monger from this neck of the woods and got dragged in to Perfect 10, Austin's finest strip club after eating. The girls were actually all very doable, many lookers but no action. Just $20 dances. I happily would have paid $100 for a CBJ and a fuck tonight even $150 from any Shark! For what? I got nothing from them. Our strippers are actually pretty but we can't fuck them; can't win either way. This country sucks.
At least I got to shake UltraHappy's hand good night.Yes, sex prison strip clubs are a total scam. That's why I've been able to easily avoid them after discovering FKK-land.
But, given the choice between swapping monger stories in a frozen yogurt venue versus a strip club, the strip club seemed like the only logical choice when stuck in USA sex prison. If for nothing else, I must admit the scenery there was really nice. I wish I could have convinced one of them to be Romanian for me for the night. I was kind of hoping that some girl would yell out at me as I passed by, "Where you go?
KK was kind enough to remind me me that I couldn't get by just wearing a towel around my waist there.
I seriously thought I would be strong enough to resist the temptation of young flesh in Austin's finest, but as it turns out, I had to get a few dances before leaving to ensure sweet dreams for me for the night.
Kosher Kowboy
10-09-18, 02:39
Did the South American reveal that it was 300 EUR? The WG? Or both?
I assume your discounted session did not occur the same day as the South American's. Did you have to remind her that you provided the assist and then plead your case for a discounted session? Or did she just reward you with the discounted session without you needing to ask?He told me all after the session in detail. She saw us talking after, just like the girls talk she knew I got the details and we were comparing notes as I had just gone with another girl. On a subsequent trip she asked me if my friend was coming, we ended up just chatting. One thing led to another and it was just offered in the room. ' Just this time' ' Don't tell the others' blah blah.
Might she again? Who knows. Time will tell. I do not plan to ask for it but if she comes up to me and offers it another story but in the meantime I will pluck the fruits I want to off the tree and carry on as usual, have my favorites and want to try the vagina of that extremely petite girl before any others.
Kosher Kowboy
10-09-18, 03:24
I seriously thought I would be strong enough to resist the temptation of young flesh in Austin's finest, but as it turns out, I had to get a few dances before leaving to ensure sweet dreams for me for the night.Please WhatsApp me and look after me and keep me inline the next couple of weeks and remind me I have upcoming trips. That girl I liked (the grinding one in the white top and hair tied up) turns unadvertised tricks for one of the pimps here. $400/ hour. She is Mexican not Colombian. A stripper lied! I can't blame her, Medellin sounds better than Juarez. This pimp and I have a history and he is a scumbag and he thinks the same of me. I know his cut is $150 so I am sure I could contact her on my own thru some contacts here would be very easy to do and cut the pimp out. I hadn't been to a strip club in 10 or 15 years or so until you rolled in to town. Next time we go get frozen Yogurt. I'd much rather you get me hooked on some Oase Queen instead of ' introducing' me to this Latina hottie who I can't get out of my mind.
I'll get over her. I can't spend the Gypsies money on her.
Member #4636
10-10-18, 16:37
As I said there will be works going in in the bar and lounge from 15 October till November. I was planning to visit but now I think I should rather cancel.
As I said there will be works going in in the bar and lounge from 15 October till November. I was planning to visit but now I think I should rather cancel.What is the problem? Still very beautiful rooms which increase pleasure with a beauty, and good foods. No problem for me, but attractive girls in NRW at the moment, for only 100/ h.
Member #4636
10-11-18, 05:32
What is the problem? Still very beautiful rooms which increase pleasure with a beauty, and good foods. No problem for me, but attractive girls in NRW at the moment, for only 100/ h.I have already booked for FRA so I will go somewhere else. I would have gone to Palace if I knew that my dream queen would be there but I don't know. So I am not planning to take the risk once again especially when I know that works will be going on.
Next trip will be to NRW, can you tell me which clubs you suggest?
I don't understand problem about works. If discount rate, should attract more guys and WGs like Sharks Wednesdays.
In NRW, GT and YY in NL have good level for 50/30 mn.
I don't understand problem about works. If discount rate, should attract more guys and WGs like Sharks Wednesdays.
In NRW, GT and YY in NL have good level for 50/30 mn.Would you say YY is more day time club than night time club for full line up to be there like gt?
Would you say most line up to be present at YY by 3 PM?
ExpatLover
10-12-18, 05:06
I have already booked for FRA so I will go somewhere else. I would have gone to Palace if I knew that my dream queen would be there but I don't know. So I am not planning to take the risk once again especially when I know that works will be going on.
Next trip will be to NRW, can you tell me which clubs you suggest?Recommend you Samya but more after 8 PM there is always a good party going on.
Member #4636
10-12-18, 05:36
I don't understand problem about works. If discount rate, should attract more guys and WGs like Sharks Wednesdays.
In NRW, GT and YY in NL have good level for 50/30 mn.I believe the works would not attract the good girls or if it attacks a lot of guys and WG it will be too busy for my taste especially at night. When I land in FRA I will decide last minute what to do.
Can you tell me which clubs do you mean YY and NL?
Would you say YY is more day time club than night time club for full line up to be there like gt?
Would you say most line up to be present at YY by 3 PM?YY is GT twin, but more beautiful club with more beautiful garden, big spa, outside swimming pool, better foods, entry 50 before 2 pm. Closed at 1 am, full casting at about 4 pm, day club like GT. I just hate lockers and bad for no more credit card machine on desk. Good rooms with shower. Public sex in kino.
Had some really high level girls there, for 50 for each 30 mn, without upselling, Kity, Elena, Fabienne, Rami, Roxana. Antonella ex LR left for Samya.
ExpatLover
10-12-18, 19:43
I believe the works would not attract the good girls or if it attacks a lot of guys and WG it will be too busy for my taste especially at night. When I land in FRA I will decide last minute what to do.
Can you tell me which clubs do you mean YY and NL?YY is in NL and a long way to go from Frankfort, better to go to Shark same Romanian pussy there.
Would you say YY is more day time club than night time club for full line up to be there like gt?
Would you say most line up to be present at YY by 3 PM?If you can choose between GT and YY, deffinately go YY!
More beautiful girls. For me better service also at YY. Better wellness facilities, newly renovated, better food. Cheaper entry. Better everything.
The smaller lockers doesn't matter.
I believe the works would not attract the good girls or if it attacks a lot of guys and WG it will be too busy for my taste especially at night. When I land in FRA I will decide last minute what to do.
Can you tell me which clubs do you mean YY and NL?Yin Yang in Nederland on German border. Free BBBJ. Public sex in kino.
YY is GT twin, but more beautiful club with more beautiful garden, big spa, outside swimming pool, better foods, entry 50 before 2 pm. Closed at 1 am, full casting at about 4 pm, day club like GT. I just hate lockers and bad for no more credit card machine on desk. Good rooms with shower. Public sex in kino.
Had some really high level girls there, for 50 for each 30 mn, without upselling, Kity, Elena, Fabienne, Rami, Roxana. Antonella ex LR left for Samya.High level girl is what matter to me the most, kity I went with in GT, very nice girl. If YY is more stunner club, then it will be great.
If you can choose between GT and YY, deffinately go YY!
More beautiful girls. For me better service also at YY. Better wellness facilities, newly renovated, better food. Cheaper entry. Better everything.
The smaller lockers doesn't matter.I think we got similar taste about girl with like Eleny being stunner level etc, so now I have to go to YY LOL.
Siri just told me that YY is day time club with full shift at 4 pm, which suit me better to because usually I base myself in Dusseldorf so I got to head back with last train.
How are the rate there? Is it 50 euro 30 min, 50 euro CIM, 100 euro anal? Is it hardcore upselling at YY like palace or it is more mild than palace for upselling?
If you can choose between GT and YY, deffinately go YY!
More beautiful girls. For me better service also at YY. Better wellness facilities, newly renovated, better food. Cheaper entry. Better everything.
The smaller lockers doesn't matter.I don't confirm all: YY is better club, can save 10€ before 2 pm, but only very few interesting girls at YY, more numerous at GT where a real German team.
Member #4636
10-13-18, 17:34
Yin Yang in Nederland on German border. Free BBBJ. Public sex in kino.Thanks, it is now on my wish list. As I don't rent a car I see that the best way by public transport is to use a train from Dusseldorf?
Thanks, it is now on my wish list. As I don't rent a car I see that the best way by public transport is to use a train from Dusseldorf?Without car, I'm afraid a bit complicated to reach YY, same like GT, in country with horses. Very beautiful club, same level for foods than Palace.
But times changed, new German girls who can t upsell at GT, go to YY to upsell. On this Friday, a Audi from around Koln proposed me: extra 50 for DATY, extra 50 for fingers games, extra 50 for BBBJ. She comes from Dolce Vita. I must be stupid to have to pay to DATY her to make her cum, but my game because I knew after she would be sensitive for sex, and she was very. 150 for 1 h. Same today with a BMW from Hamburg, 150 for 1 GFE hour, but with DATY with fingers for her so wet orgasmus, she was so sticky wet, then BBBJ but average. I improve, but I was better on previous week end with my so pretty Romanian for 100 for 1 really full GFE hour with a rare really good BBBJ, then You feel the girl really likes You, same like way for kissing.
I don t advice YY for German girls at the moment, Romanians or Kity are better.
For German girls, go to GT or Hamburg or Globe, or upselling at Palace. At YY, have to work hard with German girls. Lucy GT was at YY today.
Without car, I'm afraid a bit complicated to reach YY, same like GT, in country with horses. Very beautiful club, same level for foods than Palace.
But times changed, new German girls who can t upsell at GT, go to YY to upsell. On this Friday, a Audi from around Koln proposed me: extra 50 for DATY, extra 50 for fingers games, extra 50 for BBBJ. She comes from Dolce Vita. I must be stupid to have to pay to DATY her to make her cum, but my game because I knew after she would be sensitive for sex, and she was very. 150 for 1 h. Same today with a BMW from Hamburg, 150 for 1 GFE hour, but with DATY with fingers for her so wet orgasmus, she was so sticky wet, then BBBJ but average. I improve, but I was better on previous week end with my so pretty Romanian for 100 for 1 really full GFE hour with a rare really good BBBJ, then You feel the girl really likes You, same like way for kissing.
I don t advice YY for German girls at the moment, Romanians or Kity are better.
For German girls, go to GT or Hamburg or Globe, or upselling at Palace. At YY, have to work hard with German girls. Lucy GT was at YY today.Upsell is OK as long as session is given, I do not mind 150 euro per one hour session, above that is where it get too rip off for me to choose 50 euro 30 min session bang hard and out the room.
Upsell is OK as long as session is given, I do not mind 150 euro per one hour session, above that is where it get too rip off for me to choose 50 euro 30 min session bang hard and out the room.But if Sidney. De didn't ask me any extra for kissing like a GF, but extra 50 for DATY, extra 50 for fingers, extra 50 for BBBJ which is legal in NL and standard with some Romanians who are prettier than her, so could be 250 for 1 h, when I had great Germans and have pretty Romanians for 50 per 30 mn, so even she was really fresh and sensitive GFE type for sex, no repeat for me. Maybe Dolce Vita rates, same expensive than Globe. Nina. De is for 150 for 1 full GFE hour, lovely but some fake moanings and lack of passion, even so sticky wet. Lucy. De ex GT was also at YY on Saturday.
I prefer my lovely Dacia in bed.
Member #4636
10-14-18, 19:19
Upsell is OK as long as session is given, I do not mind 150 euro per one hour session, above that is where it get too rip off for me to choose 50 euro 30 min session bang hard and out the room.There should be an un-oficcial price list for our newbie mongers what should be included in each price. In example.
For 50/30 min you get the basic CBJ+sex.
For 100/30 min you get above +/ or CIM / DATY.
For 100/60 min you get?
For 150/60 min you get etc etc etc.
This price list should be based on experience by older mongers or frequent visitors. Even better each club on ISG board should have it's own price list.
ExpatLover
10-14-18, 20:11
Upsell is OK as long as session is given, I do not mind 150 euro per one hour session, above that is where it get too rip off for me to choose 50 euro 30 min session bang hard and out the room.Now I know who is the guy who is overpaying, are you aware that 1 hour is 100 euros, you are also the guy who so many girls from World are laughing about.
I do not mind 150 euro one hour session GFE service, above that for me is no longer mild upsell or upsell, but ripp off.
I have been asked 200 euro one hour, if that is 2 cum all GFE service, I may buy into it if service is delivered.
The problem occur when girls ask too much and even you pay they hold back service, then it make me go to other clubs like in nrw region where service is there.
As for NL YY, I have to try it out.
Banana Boi
10-15-18, 03:05
Given the increasing demand of girls wanting minimum 1 hour for certain services, is Palace still significantly worse than Sharks and Oase for the majority of girls with top looks?
ExpatLover
10-15-18, 03:44
Given the increasing demand of girls wanting minimum 1 hour for certain services, is Palace still significantly worse than Sharks and Oase for the majority of girls with top looks?Sometimes with other German senior mongers we are discussing about the clubs to go or to strictly not to go, always Palace, Artemis, LR are on the top of the list of the clubs who are the worse.
Member #4636
10-15-18, 05:34
Given the increasing demand of girls wanting minimum 1 hour for certain services, is Palace still significantly worse than Sharks and Oase for the majority of girls with top looks?In Palace there is a bog difference in looks. Some girls are 8 or 9 and some others are under 5. Not many average look in my opinion. So it depends if you are lucky or not the day you go.
Given the increasing demand of girls wanting minimum 1 hour for certain services, is Palace still significantly worse than Sharks and Oase for the majority of girls with top looks?For my eyes, much more interesting casting with woman looks at Palace, rather than lack of charm and elegance at Sharks or Oase, and probably World. Mainhattan also very average for looks for me, except tall Eva and Marina.
North is far higher for me at the moment, with 3 interesting clubs for casting, 1 is for only 1 girl. Palace is fourth for me in Germany, Sharks sixth at the moment after Samya.
Except Germans at YY, but not pretty Romanians, no upselling on north.
PussyLiccker
10-15-18, 10:25
Given the increasing demand of girls wanting minimum 1 hour for certain services, is Palace still significantly worse than Sharks and Oase for the majority of girls with top looks?Usually I don't care for the majority of the LU, and only interest in the ones I end up talking to. At Mainhattan, two I was interested in proposed 100 for half HR and 150 for 1 HR of GFE services. I don't care to dig for girls of optics I don't find attractive so I was disappointed and left. Same situation with couple new girls at Sharks.
Highly doubtful Palace is better. I"m sure the club set the standard for upsells, and it is a city club like Mainhattan.
With such conditions, why not check out Parasise in Stuttgart? Fra isn't really better anymore.
Given the increasing demand of girls wanting minimum 1 hour for certain services, is Palace still significantly worse than Sharks and Oase for the majority of girls with top looks?I find Oase as bad as palace for upselling.
As for Palace upsell has been there since day one, but I find service better at Palace than Oase, though I got very limited visit to Oase, but it was not good one in aspect of service, but optic was found in Oase.
Palace, I would say optic is there always find one or two stunner, but not many more than that LOL.
I find Oase as bad as palace for upselling.
As for Palace upsell has been there since day one, but I find service better at Palace than Oase, though I got very limited visit to Oase, but it was not good one in aspect of service, but optic was found in Oase.
Palace, I would say optic is there always find one or two stunner, but not many more than that LOL.My two favorite clubs in the Frankfurt area are Palace and Oase. Never had a really bad session at either. Always find several tutes I like optics-wise on any particular visit. Never any upselling. But, I think the reason for the latter is that there is no real need to upsell a guy like me. I enjoy hour-long sessions with anal. Already they're about to make some good money. Especially if I got for BBBJ / CIM service.
There should be an un-oficcial price list for our newbie mongers what should be included in each price. In example.
For 50/30 min you get the basic CBJ+sex.
For 100/30 min you get above +/ or CIM / DATY.
For 100/60 min you get?
For 150/60 min you get etc etc etc.
This price list should be based on experience by older mongers or frequent visitors. Even better each club on ISG board should have it's own price list.Well, Standard Rate in any FKK in Germany is this (you can confirm this asking any local German monger):
50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. Only extras are CIM for 50 e (some will swallow as well with this), and Anal for 100 e. Every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. Even if the session is for 2 hours, if you do multiple Anal sex with the WG in that session, your extra for Anal is only 100 e one time. Same for CIM. Even if you do CIM 3 times in a 2 hours session, you pay only one time 50 e for CIM extra, but of course you also pay 200 e for the 2 hour session. Please note that these rates are irrespective of how beautiful / ugly or nice / bad personality the girl is. Few exceptions are these: at Artemis in Berlin it's 60 e for 30 minutes for the same service listed above, in the RTC or AO clubs rates are 30-40% cheaper, and in NRW extras are 25 e for CIM, 50 e for Anal.
Any monger can pay any higher (or even lower), it's his personal choice. But if you want to get a fair price and value at the standard rate, just stick to the standard rate and remember that every WG needs your money more than you need the sex with her. For you it's just fun and no big deal if you don't use her service, but for her it's money from you that feeds herself and most cases her family back home in Romania or Bulgaria or some other EE country. If majority of the mongers are smart enough, they can always get the fair standard rate deal and eventually even the sharky girls will agree to the standard rates. This is Germany, not USA or China or Australia or any other country where there is really no standard rate as there is no structured system for Sex Industry. Let's not help make Germany same as USA or any of these countries for Sex Industry.
Have a great time. It's your money, you decide how smartly (or not) you want to use it for your happiness.
Member #4636
10-15-18, 19:56
Well, Standard Rate in any FKK in Germany is this (you can confirm this asking any local German monger):
50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. .I think we had the same conversation either here or in another topic and I said that I have never had all that for 50 e. Some other mongers also agreed with me. I don't think we need to do the same again. Fact is that I have visited 4 clubs till now and I have never had all that for 50 euro. Not to mention that none of the girls accepted FIV which is normal of course for them.
Well, Standard Rate in any FKK in Germany is this (you can confirm this asking any local German monger):
50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. Only extras are CIM for 50 e (some will swallow as well with this), and Anal for 100 e. Every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. Even if the session is for 2 hours, if you do multiple Anal sex with the WG in that session, your extra for Anal is only 100 e one time. Same for CIM. Even if you do CIM 3 times in a 2 hours session, you pay only one time 50 e for CIM extra, but of course you also pay 200 e for the 2 hour session. Please note that these rates are irrespective of how beautiful / ugly or nice / bad personality the girl is. Few exceptions are these: at Artemis in Berlin it's 60 e for 30 minutes for the same service listed above, in the RTC or AO clubs rates are 30-40% cheaper, and in NRW extras are 25 e for CIM, 50 e for Anal..Wow!
Great post, thanks.
That has been my experience also, I pass by any WG that doesn't play by the rules.
I agree, they need us more than we need them.
HungryStud101
10-16-18, 04:11
Well, Standard Rate in any FKK in Germany is this (you can confirm this asking any local German monger):
50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all.Go to some of the plain looking 6-7's in the back of the club with cobwebs growing on them and you may be able to get this. But probably not the FIV. You're not going to get that. I had a girl spray my hands (and hers) with an anit-bac and tell me I can put my fingers anywhere but that was 100 $/30 session.
Only extras are CIM for 50 e (some will swallow as well with this), and Anal for 100 e. Interactive 3-sum +50 Euro each girl I think.
Erotic Massage (Prostate Massage) +50 Euro.
COB by Russian or Boob massage +30 E (according to Claudia from Sharks).
Compare with NRW (from an earlier report of mine 2017 and 2018:
1/2 hour with a girl - 50 E.
1/2 hour with 2 girl - 100 E.
1/2 hour with 2 girls and they are interactive 150 E (75 E each).
1/2 hour with girl and CIM happens - 75 E (50+25 E).
Prostate massage +25 E.
Every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. Even if the session is for 2 hours, if you do multiple Anal sex with the WG in that session, your extra for Anal is only 100 e one time. Same for CIM. Even if you do CIM 3 times in a 2 hours session, you pay only one time 50 e for CIM extra, but of course you also pay 200 e for the 2 hour session. Please note that these rates are irrespective of how beautiful / ugly or nice / bad personality the girl is. Few exceptions are these: at Artemis in Berlin it's 60 e for 30 minutes for the same service listed above, in the RTC or AO clubs rates are 30-40% cheaper, and in NRW extras are 25 e for CIM, 50 e for Anal.
The note at the top said "you can compare with any German monger. " I think I know what the problem may be. There is a common perception that German's will fuck anything. One of the Romanian girls I sessioned with said "Germans like to have sex with ugly women. " She was the hottest girl of the trip for me. So maybe that is how German's stick to this 50 E /30 min everything? However, I don't agree. I think this is an over-generalization. It seems that every time I am in Sharks I make friends with Germans. I am pen-pals with a few German's from Stuttgart and they had very similar tastes to mine. In fact, I think we all did the same girl over the course of a day and we all paid the same price if I am not mistaken. It was a guy from Stuttgart the visit prior that told me to offer Gina an hour session for 100 E. So this is all bull. But guys from Stuttgart are not locals to the Hesse clubs anyway.
You can probably get many nice girls to go to the room for 50 E /30 min sessions but my experience is that many girls will not. I think you are a fool to travel all the way to Germany to fuck ugly girls and old women and to settle for less desirable women just so you can write in this forum that all your sessions were 50 E /30 minute sessions. It is futile to try to stem the tide of inflation during your annual visits.
Oh and one more thing: There is no way that a girl is going to turn down my offer for 100 E /30 min for a session with a BJ I like and a finish to that BJ that I like and go with a German guy or a frequent tourist that writes in this forum for 50 E /30 M and give them 50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. That is nothing but bullshit.
Kosher Kowboy
10-16-18, 13:22
Delta in Coach class and it wasn't even comfort plus. In fact I saved 800 $ by going back on a Sunday. My flight was just over $2,000 this time.
.Go on Delta today. I logged on yesterday at night and Comfort+ from Austin thru Atlanta to Frankfurt in the early spring was over $1600 but coach was $636. I hate flying coach being taller but with $100 off using some miles the ticket was $536 and I might get upgraded with Medallion status two months prior to flight if Comfort Plus is not sold out but if not I do not think one can beat $536 RT; my flight to Arizona for the annual spring training family trip is more! So is the Phoenix hotel than the Frankfurt ones! Go buy your Delta tickets now to the land of DFK / FIV for 50 Euros!! Germany's finest WGs await your filthy fingers!
Go to some of the plain looking 6-7's in the back of the club with cobwebs growing on them and you may be able to get this. But probably not the FIV. You're not going to get that. I had a girl spray my hands (and hers) with an anit-bac and tell me I can put my fingers anywhere but that was 100 $/30 session.
You can probably get many nice girls to go to the room for 50 E /30 min sessions but my experience is that many girls will not. I think you are a fool to travel all the way to Germany to fuck ugly girls and old women and to settle for less desirable women just so you can write in this forum that all your sessions were 50 E /30 minute sessions. It is futile to try to stem the tide of inflation during your annual visits.
Oh and one more thing: There is no way that a girl is going to turn down my offer for 100 E /30 min for a session with a BJ I like and a finish to that BJ that I like and go with a German guy or a frequent tourist that writes in this forum for 50 E /30 M and give them 50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. That is nothing but bullshit.HS.
You raise some excellent points. I think you are correct, even at Mainhatten I find ' cheaters' in the middle tiers (not the top tier girls) and at the bottom of the food chain deals can be had. In general as many have pointed out, these girls don't want fingers shoved in there, bacteria and hangnails etc can knock them out of work several days or longer. YMMV as always but the hot girls aren't going to be rejecting your high (er) offers to go get some less paying guys bacterial laced fingers jammed up there for less money. I don't like to call bullshit really on anyone, I think much has been discussed in posts and many more times in backchannels about this ' wedding night 50 e' talk going around and IMHO I have full faith in this group as a whole to do with all that is posted in this thread and others to read and decipher and apply their own experiences and that of their friends to what they have read and walk away with their own opinions on the variances presented. Some may come up with the exact same conclusions you do but even if they do perhaps in a way it is good a voice is out there hammering home especially to new guys what ' would be nice' or ' what was' in the Land of Oz simply to encourage new guys to study and research hard and fight for their Euros. I agree Artemis is more, I am sure the NRW has better deals but '50 e wedding nights throughout the Land of Hessen with the Precious Princesses?? '.
I highly doubt Aladdin is floating around the skies of Hessen on his magic carpet ride (soon to be Santa Clause and his flying sleigh full of gifts for Romanian children) landing on the roofs of the Big 5 (especially Palace and Mainhatten) and stuffing 50 Euros notes with their greasy hands and fingers up these Precious Princesses cervixes!
Readers can decide for themselves just note the previous statement does not include the middle or lower tiered girls who will probably give Santa Clause and Aladdin a special two for one wedding night for 50!! If you ask me a true top tiered Shark would tell Aladdin and Santa to go fuck themselves if they asked for a 50 wedding night. As they would me. As they would you. But hey, if some guys want the internet fantasy they can fuck the Oase Queens (one who is well documented to have charged a very well known and IMHO very wise and astute regular FKK attendee for a 150 e BBBJ hour) than let them. That guy who reviewed the Oase Queen for 150 e is a fine example of ' truth in reporting. ' And than there is the ' Fake News' channel, just tune it out if it bothers you, the proof is in the pudding you don't need to prove anything HS. You had a good trip, congrats!
You're right about what that Romanian girl told you, a few told me similar along the lines that a local price point driven and determined German / Turk will lower their standards to get their price but unless they are a well known long time regular to that girl if they are in the upper tier ' no way' especially to the FIV. The middle tiers will play ball and the lower tiers will give it up for 50 so there is truth to ' 50 e everything' can be found at Sharks or Oase type places but are the top tiered girls giving it all up for 50 ?
Not fond of the channel but let's say ' we report, you decide. ' There have been enough reviews posted and stories shared many perhaps in the private message system to mix in with some of these PSA pricing structures of wedding nights for 50 e (maybe Sharks management will toss in some champagne too so the guy can stick his finger in the bottle of booze to serve as a disinfectant for the always included FIV.) At the end of the day I will go where I want, see who I want at the club (s) I enjoy the most and sometimes price is not everything, so many guys can fixate on price when in my experience (which is all I can speak for) much more than simply the Euro amount goes in to the melting pot when I decide on a club, a girl and a session. My melting pot maybe be different than the next guys and so on, neither of us are right or wrong; we simply do what floats our own boat.
At the end of the day HS we can only focus on ' us' and what we can accomplishment and enjoy with these girls and pay what we are comfortable with, we may be crazy but we aren't idiots and certainly can read between the lines as can others. It's just an internet post. It's just guys sitting behind a keyboard. Sitting behind a keyboard any guy can get a wedding night and shove his entire foot up some girl's kunt at Sharks who usually does 1000 e appts all day with fly ins from around the world, those types always give 50 e wedding nights but only if your fingers are over 8 inches long, not manicured and have dangling hangnails. Most of these girls will often request you not use mouthwash or offer you gum either as they really get off with DFK with some guy with horrible breath and bacteria in his mouth as well. If one matches that description they are in luck!
Go to some of the plain looking 6-7's in the back of the club with cobwebs growing on them and you may be able to get this. But probably not the FIV. You're not going to get that. I had a girl spray my hands (and hers) with an anit-bac and tell me I can put my fingers anywhere but that was 100 $/30 session.
Interactive 3-sum +50 Euro each girl I think.
Erotic Massage (Prostate Massage) +50 Euro.
COB by Russian or Boob massage +30 E (according to Claudia from Sharks).
Compare with NRW (from an earlier report of mine 2017 and 2018:
1/2 hour with a girl - 50 E.
1/2 hour with 2 girl - 100 E.
1/2 hour with 2 girls and they are interactive 150 E (75 E each).
1/2 hour with girl and CIM happens - 75 E (50+25 E).
Prostate massage +25 E.
The note at the top said "you can compare with any German monger. " I think I know what the problem may be. There is a common perception that German's will fuck anything. One of the Romanian girls I sessioned with said "Germans like to have sex with ugly women. " She was the hottest girl of the trip for me. So maybe that is how German's stick to this 50 E /30 min everything? However, I don't agree. I think this is an over-generalization. It seems that every time I am in Sharks I make friends with Germans. I am pen-pals with a few German's from Stuttgart and they had very similar tastes to mine. In fact, I think we all did the same girl over the course of a day and we all paid the same price if I am not mistaken. It was a guy from Stuttgart the visit prior that told me to offer Gina an hour session for 100 E. So this is all bull. But guys from Stuttgart are not locals to the Hesse clubs anyway.
You can probably get many nice girls to go to the room for 50 E /30 min sessions but my experience is that many girls will not. I think you are a fool to travel all the way to Germany to fuck ugly girls and old women and to settle for less desirable women just so you can write in this forum that all your sessions were 50 E /30 minute sessions. It is futile to try to stem the tide of inflation during your annual visits.
Oh and one more thing: There is no way that a girl is going to turn down my offer for 100 E /30 min for a session with a BJ I like and a finish to that BJ that I like and go with a German guy or a frequent tourist that writes in this forum for 50 E /30 M and give them 50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. That is nothing but bullshit.HS, I enjoy your posts (more so now that I am stuck in the American sex prison for last 4-5 months). And thanks for writing great reports. That said, with all due respect, I must say you are reading my posts about rates a bit incorrectly. Besides the "standard rate", you probably also read that once you pay higher for any services, even by mistake, "your rate" is essentially written on your forehead, you (not everyone else) will have to pay that higher rate or even more for the next few months / years until these girls forget your rate or fresh new girls come in who don't know your rate, not even thru their WG friends. I am sorry my friend, you now probably are in this category. But you are not alone, many many tourists for sure and even few local Germans may fall in your category. Though this is a relatively small size category (few hundreds) compared to the overall FKK customers in all over Germany (few hundred thousands to even millions), this is a vocal, active and proud (to say I got this service still so much cheaper than in USA!) group in forums like ISG and unfortunately spreading these higher rates as a new normal. It doesn't have to be this way if you care about your own money. There is hope, there is a fix. When in Germany, if you try not to pay more the German standard rates for your next few trips even if the hottest girls you want decline, you will see the results before your know. Soon they will accept your standard German rate payments. Like I said, these WGs need your money a lot more than you need the sex with them, all you have to do is to show some self-restraint for next few times they ask you for higher rates.
Your hottest girl of the trip saying "Germans like to have sex with ugly women", was definitely wrong, like you also eluded into. Have you seen how Germans used to literally book Janine DE at Sharks for hours (sometimes with only drinks at the first couch) that a tourist like you or me would have never a chance on her? This was 1-2 years back, and no monger will ever say that Janine DE is ugly. Even in RTC's now, have you seen Amira RO or Diana RO at Dietzenbach? Have you seen Alexandara RO at Arabella? Or Maria BU at Bernds now? Or from couple of years back, Ada RO and Andrea RO at F39? How about Misha RO in Oase? All these girls makes (and made) tons of money mostly from German mongers but still following the standard rates and in turn providing excellent service so that customers would always go back for more. And nobody with normal sense of beauty probably will even by mistake will call any of these girls ugly, in contrast chances are that some of them are better looking than your "hottest girl of the trip".
This is not our USA (or your girl's Romania) where different girls may have different rates. No, this is Germany, the land of structures in business and life. Rates are exactly same for all FKK WGs, irrespective of looks. Please don't bring (or encourage) the failed concept of different rates for different girls based on their looks from our countries where there is no FKK and the P46 scene is so bad that we end up traveling to Germany for pussies. Please don't s*it where we all are now eating, as we ruined our kitchen in home by s*itting there so much that we don't even have much food back there.
True, that some FKK WG will ask to wash your hands or use anti-bacterial liquids or wet baby-wipes on your hands before you do FIV on her. But isn't that a good practice? In fact, when you go into a room (or before starting public sex), if you ask the girl for a wet bay-wipe (most girls carry those) to clean your hands before you touch her, maybe the girl will have a bit more comfort feeling to let you FIV?
You read it right from my post these:
BBBJ with CIM finish in 30 minutes is 100 e (30 min with BBBJ is 50 e standard, plus CIM extra 50 e).
BBBJ with CIM finish in 1 hour is 150 e (1 hour with BBBJ is 100 e standard, plus CIM extra 50 e).
30 min standard session is 50 e, includes BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, BLS, and public sex. Each additional 30 minutes is 50 e, includes the same service. If you cannot negotiate 30 min / 50 e standard session, maybe go for 60 min / 100 e standard session; at least you are not paying higher than the standard rate.
Please note that only standard extras are CIM 50 e per session (some will swallow as well with this) and Anal 100 e per session. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is extra in the Standard Rates. You may chose to pay extra for anything (like you do HS), but that is non-standard, you are just giving her one-off extra money by your own volition.
It's your money, spend it the way you like. But please don't try to tell the rest of us who are doing this mongering in Germany for decades what the German FKK standard rates are or should be, just by following what some sharky girls made you believe. (I hope) you are smarter than someone falling in traps by these cartel of sharky WGs.
Your hottest girl of the trip saying "Germans like to have sex with ugly women", was definitely wrong, like you also eluded into. Have you seen how Germans used to literally book Janine DE at Sharks for hours (sometimes with only drinks at the first couch) that a tourist like you or me would have never a chance on her? This was 1-2 years back, and no monger will ever say that Janine DE is ugly. Even in RTC's now, have you seen Amira RO or Diana RO at Dietzenbach? Have you seen Alexandara RO at Arabella? Or Maria BU at Bernds now? Or from couple of years back, Ada RO and Andrea RO at F39? How about Misha RO in Oase? All these girls makes (and made) tons of money mostly from German mongers but still following the standard rates and in turn providing excellent service so that customers would always go back for more. And nobody with normal sense of beauty probably will even by mistake will call any of these girls ugly, in contrast chances are that some of them are better looking than your "hottest girl of the trip".
This is not our USA (or your girl's Romania) where different girls may have different rates. No, this is Germany, the land of structures in business and life. Rates are exactly same for all FKK WGs, irrespective of looks. Please don't bring (or encourage) the failed concept of different rates for different girls based on their looks .No, she was not so wrong. Many Germans go to cheap rate sex, or AO sex. Guys who know a bit about FKK land, know guys don't go to Bernds, or Dietzenbach, or Arabella, to fuck beauties, like I look for, but to fuck AO, even girls are really not pretty. Maria. Bu Bernds is just a GND with beautiful natural tits, Dietzenbach or Freude or Arabella girls are really not pretty, Alexandra is prettier but at Arabella, but would not be in normal club, for a selective and demanding experienced client like me, of course all girls don't have same rate, some girls don't worth 30 or 50, when some high level beauties worth expensive. As say girls: we are all different, and I'm happy to be different. From what I hear from German girls when we are in bed, if we can thank Germany for high level FKK land, but Germans don't seem to be on my standard for level in bed, according to German girls.
TheWhatsuppGuy
10-16-18, 21:45
Hi guys,
I will be in Frankfurt in this weekend 19-20/10 and I want to have a nice time.
It will be my first time in this kind of clubs FKK and I have few questions which I don't find answers for in the clubs websites or reviews in the net.
I will arrive in Friday afternoon and will stay until Sunday, and I'm interested to visit Palace and Mainhattan.
As a middle eastern guy there is a few things I wonder about.
** Which club you prefer guys to start with depended of the time I'll arrive? (depended about how many girls will be there and the beauty degree of them and kindness) .
I know that the clubs have wellness sections and they offer towels, bathrobe and slippers which including in the entrance fee to use while staying, my questions:
1 - should I stay in the bathrobe all the time?
2 - if Yes, can I have a short or underwear under the bathrobe or not?
3 - if I want to use the general Jacuzzi or sauna must I be full naked.
4 - Can I wear just a short and naked up while staying?
5 - Football fans, did they show different league in the clubs?
6 - I read in some review the the club give a wristband in different color depends on if you want to approach or you wanna be approached, is that right? And what you guys choose? And which is better in passionate way?
This all in the mind right now, maybe will be more questions until the time of travel.
HungryStud101
10-17-18, 04:59
HS, I enjoy your posts .
This is not our USA (or your girl's Romania) where different girls may have different rates. No, this is Germany, the land of structures in business and life. Rates are exactly same for all FKK WGs, irrespective of looks. Please don't bring (or encourage) the failed concept of different rates for different girls based on their looks from our countries where there is no FKK and the P46 scene is so bad that we end up traveling to Germany for pussies. Please don't s*it where we all are now eating, as we ruined our kitchen in home by s*itting there so much that we don't even have much food back there.
True, that some FKK WG will ask to wash your hands or use anti-bacterial liquids or wet baby-wipes on your hands before you do FIV on her. But isn't that a good practice? In fact, when you go into a room (or before starting public sex), if you ask the girl for a wet bay-wipe (most girls carry those) to clean your hands before you touch her, maybe the girl will have a bit more comfort feeling to let you FIV?
You read it right from my post these:
BBBJ with CIM finish in 30 minutes is 100 e (30 min with BBBJ is 50 e standard, plus CIM extra 50 e).
BBBJ with CIM finish in 1 hour is 150 e (1 hour with BBBJ is 100 e standard, plus CIM extra 50 e).
30 min standard session is 50 e, includes BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, BLS, and public sex. Each additional 30 minutes is 50 e, includes the same service. If you cannot negotiate 30 min / 50 e standard session, maybe go for 60 min / 100 e standard session; at least you are not paying higher than the standard rate.
Please note that only standard extras are CIM 50 e per session (some will swallow as well with this) and Anal 100 e per session. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is extra in the Standard Rates. You may chose to pay extra for anything (like you do HS), but that is non-standard, you are just giving her one-off extra money by your own volition.
It's your money, spend it the way you like. But please don't try to tell the rest of us who are doing this mongering in Germany for decades what the German FKK standard rates are or should be, just by following what some sharky girls made you believe. (I hope) you are smarter than someone falling in traps by these cartel of sharky WGs.Your right. I will pay what I want to pay. Please carefully read my reports and you will see exactly what I paid. I also know that you paid a girl 700 E to go home with you. I could say maybe you are fucking up the pricing system? Why would you take a girl home when you could have wedding night sex with 14 top tier girls. This is 14 sessions. Or maybe you can have seven 1-hour sessions? Most of us haven't had sex with our wives 14 times in a calendar year or 7 times. How many times can you have sex with a girl in a night? Maybe this is fucking up the price system. It is guys like you that tie up the best girls in the club all night. It is guys like you that account for the 2-hour delay at GTs for rooms because you don't do your business and move on and let some of the other guys play. I could say this too.
But this is not the point. You do you and I will do me. The old rules of of 5 or 6 years ago where you can have GFE sex with any girl in the club for 50 E /30 minutes have changed. It is still there and I have had a few of them in my most recent visit to Sharks last month and I have had a few 50 E /30 minute dates in Sharks back in March so it does exist but it is much less abundant than it was back in the day and some girls refuse to do it and I don't care if you are so German that you are Hohenzollern.
I got a note today from an old friend from the USA of whom I have known from forums like this for many years. I will say that his reports and PMs have got me laid in Europe and North America. My friend is not an FKK fan as I am so he asked the following question:
Are a lot of guys on this board dirt poor local German guys for whom 50 euros is make or break, and they eat a weeks worth of food at the FKK buffet while having sex in between meals? Or do they take some strange enjoyment from getting the same service for 50 euros that another guy might get for 100 euros, no matter how much time and effort it takes to get the discount. We are very lucky I guess to be from the US and to earn a decent living. I cant imagine living my life like some of these posters do. I cant stand watching every dollar, sometimes I spend it freely.
I don't think that the above is true but if you read some of these reports it is easy to get that impression.
There are lots of nice girls all over FKK land but you can't fuck them all. I need a little something special form a girl in order to session with her. I believe that Sirioja would say that the girl has to have a certain Je ne seis quoi in order for her to stand out to from the others. We spoil easily. Honestly, I would be happy with 75% of them if they were delivered to my door in the USA or even Montreal (which I consider my home court) but in the FKK they all start to blend together and I want the sexiest the hottest or something exotic or maybe a porn star quality girl. Sometimes they hold out for a little more and so as you can see from reading my reports, I will incentivize them by paying for an extra service such as a Bj that I like with a finish that I like or maybe a longer time in the room or a 3-sum with another girl I want. See from my posts that this is true. I don't think I even broke any of the rules that you have posted. I even cut a date short after 30 minutes and paid 50 E plus a small tip like I felt like giving. Call them cartels but there are several girls that will not do a 50 E /30 minute date with all the things you suggested. I have found a few that wouldn't do it for the first date but would do a 50 E /30 minutes GFE for the second date. This is true. But what about these guys that read the forum and may only get to Hesse once or twice in a lifetime or maybe they are fortunate to take an annual trip? Should they walk away from a dream session with a fantasy girl to save a miserable 50 euros? I say not.
So in conclusion, when in Hesse, don't feel like you are obligated to only spend 50 Euros for a 30 minute date.
Hi guys,
I will be in Frankfurt in this weekend 19-20/10 and I want to have a nice time.
It will be my first time in this kind of clubs FKK and I have few questions which I don't find answers for in the clubs websites or reviews in the net.
I will arrive in Friday afternoon and will stay until Sunday, and I'm interested to visit Palace and Mainhattan.
As a middle eastern guy there is a few things I wonder about.
** Which club you prefer guys to start with depended of the time I'll arrive? (depended about how many girls will be there and the beauty degree of them and kindness) .
I know that the clubs have wellness sections and they offer towels, bathrobe and slippers which including in the entrance fee to use while staying, my questions:
1 - should I stay in the bathrobe all the time?
2 - if Yes, can I have a short or underwear under the bathrobe or not?
3 - if I want to use the general Jacuzzi or sauna must I be full naked.
4 - Can I wear just a short and naked up while staying?
5 - Football fans, did they show different league in the clubs?
6 - I read in some review the the club give a wristband in different color depends on if you want to approach or you wanna be approached, is that right? And what you guys choose? And which is better in passionate way?
This all in the mind right now, maybe will be more questions until the time of travel.Dear Whatsappguy,
While most of the seasoned seniors on this board are rolling their eyes right now thinking RTFF, I will take pity on you and try to answer your questions. I am by no means an expert on Frankfurt FKK's but do stop by several times a year while in transit and have been doing so for several years. Most of the time I go to Palace because it's easy to get to by public transit. I'm not too cheap for a taxi but I adore the ruthless efficiency of Germany's public transit system. By the way, I am a Westerner who currently lives and works in the Middle East so I think I know where you are coming from with your questions.
1. Generally, yes. But lot of guys prefer to hang out in a towel. Personal preference. You are not welcome to go past the front reception and bar in street clothes.
2. If you prefer to do so, it's permissible but it's not customary. And you will be the only on doing it.
3. When using Sauna and Jacuzzi you should be naked. It's not only the custom in this part of the world, many establishments REQUIRE it. It's a matter of hygiene. I can appreciate that modesty might be a more common where you come from but I am afraid that you need to get over it. Trust me, it's better for all this way.
4. I'm not sure it is expressly forbidden, but you will make everyone else uncomfortable. It would be quite unusual. Wear a towel around your waist under your bathrobe if you feel the necessity. But waking around in shorts is not cool.
5. Football? They show football in the FKK? (Ha ha just a joke). No idea. I'm not a football fan. I prefer hockey or rugby.
6. In Palace, they use a wristband system. As I recall, a green wrist band indicate that you would like the ladies to approach you and offer their companionship. The other color (I forget which just now) indicates that you prefer to approach the ladies and that you don't want to be pestered. Again, personal preference.
Generally speaking, if you are going to come and enjoy FKK, it will be better for you if you can come to terms with the issue of modesty. People from Germany and many other European countries have no issue with nudity. This does not mean that you are invited to go prancing around the FKK fully naked, but since we are all endowed with pretty much the same physical features, the bathrobes becomes more of a matter of politeness.
Enjoy and feel free to PM if you have questions.
TheWhatsuppGuy
10-17-18, 15:24
Dear Whatsappguy,
While most of the seasoned seniors on this board are rolling their eyes right now thinking RTFF, I will take pity on you and try to answer your questions. I am by no means an expert on Frankfurt FKK's but do stop by several times a year while in transit and have been doing so for several years. Most of the time I go to Palace because it's easy to get to by public transit. I'm not too cheap for a taxi but I adore the ruthless efficiency of Germany's public transit system. By the way, I am a Westerner who currently lives and works in the Middle East so I think I know where you are coming from with your questions.Thank you very much for taking time to answer all my questions and it was so helpful information for any first timer and in the same situation like me (where I come from).
I know all here think RTFF and it not my first time in forum world and I know how it works specially when its come to repeated questions, but believe me if I found these information I wouldn't ask.
Thank you again and I hope we will meet some day in Palace.
And guys you still welcome to answer this part:
** Which club you prefer guys to start with depended of the time I'll arrive? (depended about how many girls will be there and the beauty degree of them and kindness).
5 - Football fans, did they show different league in the clubs?
Thank you all.
Palace is one of the highest level club, with beautiful rooms which increase pleasure for sex, good foods, polite staff. The most interesting casting at the moment for woman looks for me, but WGs don t respect color we chose on entry, and don t respect club rate which is 50/30 mn with DFK, DATY, BJ and sex, confirmed by desk. Some German girls don t kiss, because they don t sell love, but only suck and fuck, so have to find attractive looks with good services without upselling, that s Palace, but more interesting than not elegant with no charm GND, like many at Oase or Sharks.
Member #4636
10-17-18, 18:01
Hi guys,
I will be in Frankfurt in this weekend 19-20/10 and I want to have a nice time.
It will be my first time in this kind of clubs FKK and I have few questions which I don't find answers for in the clubs websites or reviews in the net.
I will arrive in Friday afternoon and will stay until Sunday, and I'm interested to visit Palace and Mainhattan.
As a middle eastern guy there is a few things I wonder about.
** Which club you prefer guys to start with depended of the time I'll arrive? (depended about how many girls will be there and the beauty degree of them and kindness) .
I know that the clubs have wellness sections and they offer towels, bathrobe and slippers which including in the entrance fee to use while staying, my questions:.I will be the same days in FRA but haven't decided yet to visit Palace or not. But since I have been plenty times I might help on your questions.
1. In the summer and due to the lack of an out door area I prefer to be with the towel. Bathrobe is fine any other time of the year. You have to be with it all the time even in the room when fucking. LOL just kidding. Take it of when you shower and when you use the sauna and jacuzzi.
2. What do you need the underwear for? How is the lady supposed to touch your pennies in the kino? Yes you can wear if you want to bit it is not preferred.
3. Yes you have to be naked, no one will look at your penis they don't care.
4. No you can't you will look like a stranger and you will not like others looking at you and laughing.
5. I watched the champions league semi final with Liverpool and I had a great time. Not a bad idea to watch some football between sessions, the girls will not bother you.
6. You can pick from 2 colours but most of the mongers pick the one where girls can approach you. Make sure you don't lose it with the key!
As I said I might be there Friday night if you want to catch up and since we both cannot send pm or send emails I have an idea.
Leave at the desk a handwritten message something like WhatsupPalace. When I go I will ask if there is a message and I will take it. Sometime go back and they will tell you who got your message, you come and talk to me.
Palace is one of the highest level club, with beautiful rooms which increase pleasure for sex, good foods, polite staff. The most interesting casting at the moment for woman looks for me, but WGs don t respect color we chose on entry, and don t respect club rate which is 50/30 mn with DFK, DATY, BJ and sex, confirmed by desk. Some German girls don t kiss, because they don t sell love, but only suck and fuck, so have to find attractive looks with good services without upselling, that s Palace, but more interesting than not elegant with no charm GND, like many at Oase or Sharks.I meant more interesting casting in Hessen, but north is more interesting for me at the moment.
Member #4636
10-17-18, 19:43
Thank you very much for taking time to answer all my questions and it was so helpful information for any first timer and in the same situation like me (where I come from).
I know all here think RTFF and it not my first time in forum world and I know how it works specially when its come to repeated questions, but believe me if I found these information I wouldn't ask.
Thank you again and I hope we will meet some day in Palace.
And guys you still welcome to answer this part:
** Which club you prefer guys to start with depended of the time I'll arrive? (depended about how many girls will be there and the beauty degree of them and kindness).
5 - Football fans, did they show different league in the clubs?
Thank you all.See my previous post regarding your other questions.
About the time I can tell you about Palace and Mainhattan only. Palace really sucks before 6-7 pm, not many ladies and you are lucky of you find 1-2 hot looking. At night it is much better and if you are lucky enough you might find 5-6 stunners. The problem with the LU is that there are a few really amazing ladies but there are also many under average. So not many around average. Either very good or bad. Food is excellent and the facilities are great as also the rooms. I have visited Mainhattan at 3 pm and I really liked the LU and the atmosphere at this time of day. I haven't visited night but I believe I will also like it. Conclusion: Before 7 pm Mainhattan, after 7 PM both.
5. As I said I would ever watch football in an FKK only if it was Liverpool. And no I am not from there.
TheWhatsuppGuy
10-17-18, 21:08
Palace is one of the highest level club, with beautiful rooms which increase pleasure for sex, good foods, polite staff. The most interesting casting at the moment for woman looks for me, but WGs don t respect color we chose on entry, and don t respect club rate which is 50/30 mn with DFK, DATY, BJ and sex, confirmed by desk. Some German girls don t kiss, because they don t sell love, but only suck and fuck, so have to find attractive looks with good services without upselling, that s Palace, but more interesting than not elegant with no charm GND, like many at Oase or Sharks.Thank you Sirioja for answering, the thing is I have only the weekend in Frankfurt and I don't want to spend time in trains spicially when its late and the head it turning around from beautyness or drinks) , but sure when I'll visit Frankfurt again I'll try Oasis or Sharks for sure.
TheWhatsuppGuy
10-17-18, 21:34
I will be the same days in FRA but haven't decided yet to visit Palace or not. But since I have been plenty times I might help on your questions.
1. In the summer and due to the lack of an out door area I prefer to be with the towel. Bathrobe is fine any other time of the year. You have to be with it all the time even in the room when fucking. LOL just kidding. Take it of when you shower and when you use the sauna and jacuzzi.
2. What do you need the underwear for? How is the lady supposed to touch your pennies in the kino? Yes you can wear if you want to bit it is not preferred.
3. Yes you have to be naked, no one will look at your penis they don't care.
4. No you can't you will look like a stranger and you will not like others looking at you and laughing.Thank you PKsimar for answering which I know is a common questions.
Of course it will be great to have someone to hang up with specially an expert like you (I hope you will not make the upselling role by tipping me some girls to get + by them) hahaha joking!
As I will come with train from Mosbach and if its gone good without stop, I'll be in Frankfurt around 19:00.
The thing is I don't know where to spend my first night: Palace or Mainhattan.
I read that Palace is crowded with LU at night so I think it will be there the first time. But it will be the second one the other night. And my plan is to move from hotel at 21:00.
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My friend is not an FKK fan as I am so he asked the following question:
Are a lot of guys on this board dirt poor local German guys for whom 50 euros is make or break, and they eat a weeks worth of food at the FKK buffet while having sex in between meals? Or do they take some strange enjoyment from getting the same service for 50 euros that another guy might get for 100 euros, no matter how much time and effort it takes to get the discount. We are very lucky I guess to be from the US and to earn a decent living. I cant imagine living my life like some of these posters do. I cant stand watching every dollar, sometimes I spend it freely.
Not all the American mongers are rich. Some just prioritize and allocate a bigger portion of their budget towards paid sex. This is probably easier to do if one is a bachelor who does not have to "hide" where he spends his money and free time. In other words, everyone's life circumstances and priorities are different. I used to know a single 25-year old Romanian civilian girl living in Italy who made no more than 25K. She used her own money to buy a used rolex for 7K. Then you have some single mom in the USA who makes 150K per year who wears a $100 watch because she has to pay for daycare and private school tuition for her three kids.
Tourists have a "vacation mentality" when it comes to spending. Locals, at least the ones who attend 100 times per year, have to pace their spending, which gives the lasting impression that they are cheap. One local monger I know attends once on the weekend. And once during the week. Each week, he will do maybe three 50 EUR rooms and one 100 EUR room. This local monger spends about 13K per year on sessions. Then you have the American tourist who does a 7-day trips, twice per year who is spending 500 EUR per day. This American tourist spends 7K per year on sessions.
Deriving joy from spending 50 does not seem at all strange to me. Many mongers derive joy from believing that the WG is enjoying herself. This could be her having an orgasm. This could be her passionately DFKing non-stop. This could be her providing "free" couch time. When a WG is being less money-hungry, I would say it is a variation of the same thing; it is an expression of her enjoying herself. Also many mongers want to believe that they are not just like every other customer. They want to feel that they are special in some way. So if a monger can convince himself that he is getting her top service for 50 and others pay 200 for it, he is going to feel special.
Thank you Sirioja for answering, the thing is I have only the weekend in Frankfurt and I don't want to spend time in trains spicially when its late and the head it turning around from beautyness or drinks) , but sure when I'll visit Frankfurt again I'll try Oasis or Sharks for sure.Palace is the highest level club and most interesting casting in Hessen. Maybe discount entry?
TheWhatsuppGuy
10-18-18, 16:38
Palace is the highest level club and most interesting casting in Hessen. Maybe discount entry?Thank, it will be sure Palace the Friday night but no discount entry because I'll be in Frankfurt around 19:00 and I'll head to the club around 21:00.
Your right. I will pay what I want to pay. Please carefully read my reports and you will see exactly what I paid. I also know that you paid a girl 700 E to go home with you. I could say maybe you are fucking up the pricing system? Why would you take a girl home when you could have wedding night sex with 14 top tier girls. This is 14 sessions. Or maybe you can have seven 1-hour sessions? Most of us haven't had sex with our wives 14 times in a calendar year or 7 times. How many times can you have sex with a girl in a night? Maybe this is fucking up the price system. It is guys like you that tie up the best girls in the club all night. It is guys like you that account for the 2-hour delay at GTs for rooms because you don't do your business and move on and let some of the other guys play. I could say this too.
But this is not the point. You do you and I will do me. The old rules of of 5 or 6 years ago where you can have GFE sex with any girl in the club for 50 E /30 minutes have changed. It is still there and I have had a few of them in my most recent visit to Sharks last month and I have had a few 50 E /30 minute dates in Sharks back in March so it does exist but it is much less abundant than it was back in the day and some girls refuse to do it and I don't care if you are so German that you are Hohenzollern.
I got a note today from an old friend from the USA of whom I have known from forums like this for many years. I will say that his reports and PMs have got me laid in Europe and North America. My friend is not an FKK fan as I am so he asked the following question:
Are a lot of guys on this board dirt poor local German guys for whom 50 euros is make or break, and they eat a weeks worth of food at the FKK buffet while having sex in between meals? Or do they take some strange enjoyment from getting the same service for 50 euros that another guy might get for 100 euros, no matter how much time and effort it takes to get the discount. We are very lucky I guess to be from the US and to earn a decent living. I cant imagine living my life like some of these posters do. I cant stand watching every dollar, sometimes I spend it freely.
I don't think that the above is true but if you read some of these reports it is easy to get that impression.
There are lots of nice girls all over FKK land but you can't fuck them all. I need a little something special form a girl in order to session with her. I believe that Sirioja would say that the girl has to have a certain Je ne seis quoi in order for her to stand out to from the others. We spoil easily. Honestly, I would be happy with 75% of them if they were delivered to my door in the USA or even Montreal (which I consider my home court) but in the FKK they all start to blend together and I want the sexiest the hottest or something exotic or maybe a porn star quality girl. Sometimes they hold out for a little more and so as you can see from reading my reports, I will incentivize them by paying for an extra service such as a Bj that I like with a finish that I like or maybe a longer time in the room or a 3-sum with another girl I want. See from my posts that this is true. I don't think I even broke any of the rules that you have posted. I even cut a date short after 30 minutes and paid 50 E plus a small tip like I felt like giving. Call them cartels but there are several girls that will not do a 50 E /30 minute date with all the things you suggested. I have found a few that wouldn't do it for the first date but would do a 50 E /30 minutes GFE for the second date. This is true. But what about these guys that read the forum and may only get to Hesse once or twice in a lifetime or maybe they are fortunate to take an annual trip? Should they walk away from a dream session with a fantasy girl to save a miserable 50 euros? I say not.
So in conclusion, when in Hesse, don't feel like you are obligated to only spend 50 Euros for a 30 minute date.HS, I think you again missed parts of the standard German rate concept, that every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. In each of those additional 30 minutes increments, you can get exactly what you get / did in the first 30 minutes, or you can even just sleep or watch movies but you still have to pay 50 e per 30 minutes. When I paid 700 e for 10-12 hours, if I remember correctly, in that 10-12 hours we fucked about 9-10 times, I came 6-7 times and she about 9-10 times, and in between about 4-5 hours we spent in a disco nightclub in Frankfurt. So essentially I got a 300-500 e discount. But that's besides the point. The point is that I didn't get scammed by the girl, and she made the money she needed plus she also had fun.
Like you, I also got scammed few times early in my FKK career. But unlike you (and few others), I was not in denial. I quickly realized that I was being scammed, and then I tried to learn from the more experienced mongers, took their advice to improve my approach to these FKK girls in Germany, avoid the always sharky girls and too sharky clubs like Palace etc. But it still took few months before I could get the standard rates as "my rate" was "written on my forehead" which took time to fade away. Now usually I don't even discuss any rate with a girl if I feel the right vibe (that she's not a scammer, fun personality besides the hot optifuck look, likely enjoys sex at least some amount etc etc), and I do not go to room if the girl starts giving me rates of services first as I know it will be an upsell hell in the room. If she hints (or asks) how long I want a session, I say "as long as you can keep me happy". Smart girls get the point that I know and adhere to the standard rates. Most cases I end up doing sessions one hour or longer when I am having fun. Only exceptions are when my read on the girl's vibe is wrong but we already started the session, in which cases I cut my losses at 50 e. Few cases I abandoned the WG when she started giving rates on the way to the room or while waiting for room or as soon as we got in the room; in those cases my loss was only the few minutes not any euros. If you act right and hit the right frequency in her mind, you will be amazed to learn how many of these FKK girls actually have a inner side of being exhibitionist (otherwise they could work in a House or via internet and make more per hour money, instead of all day being naked in public), loves looking at the mirror while they give you blowjob or getting fucked by you, how many of them actually prefers to enjoy the session (s) as much as you want to. Many of them are even full fledged nymphos. If you stop thinking that you can simply buy their body for sex at whatever price they are asking, you (both) can actually have good fun even at the standard rates. Win-win for everyone, without making the experience as a game of haggles like in most other unfortunate parts of the world. But then again, maybe some of you enjoy the game of haggles and feel like winning by paying more than others. Like they say, to each is his own.
Good that you are now getting 50e / 30 min standard sessions from many girls, and I hope it will improve to almost all the girls soon. And like you said, you can always extend the time as you feel needed, even sticking with the standard rates. Scammer girls will not get much business if most of us mongers think with our big head LOL.
HungryStud101
10-18-18, 17:56
Gino02 - I think you are a fraud. I looked at several of your posts and it is one thing: railing about prices. You have never written a club report. You are either a monger with a dual handle or an out and out fraud. A person that sits behind a keyboard and lives vicariously through others. Why is it nobody has ever met you in an FKK? Why are there no detailed reports from you.
You ought to go to an FKK sometime. I think you would like it.
And besides, if you ever did take a girl home all night there is no way that you were able to cum 9-10 times but that's OK. It never happened. I am going to put you in ignore. You are a fraud. I call shenanigans!
HS, I think you again missed parts of the standard German rate concept, that every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. In each of those additional 30 minutes increments, you can get exactly what you get / did in the first 30 minutes, or you can even just sleep or watch movies but you still have to pay 50 e per 30 minutes. When I paid 700 e for 10-12 hours, if I remember correctly, in that 10-12 hours we fucked about 9-10 times, I came 6-7 times and she about 9-10 times, and about 4-5 hours we spent in a disco nightclub in Frankfurt. So essentially I got a 300-500 e discount. But that's besides the point. The point is that I didn't get scammed by the girl, and she made the money she needed plus she also had fun.
Like you, I also got scammed few times early in my FKK career. But unlike you (and few others), I was not in denial. I quickly realized that I was being scammed, and then I tried to learn from the more experienced mongers, took their advice to improve my approach to these FKK girls in Germany, avoid the always sharky girls and too sharky clubs like Palace etc. But it still took few months before I could get the standard rates as "my rate" was "written on my forehead" which took time to fade away. Now usually I don't even discuss any rate with a girl if I feel the right vibe (that she's not a scammer, fun personality besides the hot optifuck look, likely enjoys sex at least some amount etc etc), and I do not go to room if the girl starts giving me rates of services first as I know it will be an upsell hell in the room. If she hints (or asks) how long I want a session, I say "as long as you can keep me happy". Smart girls get the point that I know and adhere to the standard rates. Most cases I end up doing sessions one hour or longer when I am having fun. Only exceptions are when my read on the girl's vibe is wrong but we already started the session, in which cases I cut my losses at 50 e. Few cases I abandoned the WG when she started giving rates on the way to the room or while waiting for room or as soon as we got in the room; in those cases my loss was only the few minutes not any euros. If you act right and hit the right frequency in her mind, you will be amazed to learn how many of these FKK girls actually have a inner side of being exhibitionist (otherwise they could work in a House or via internet and make more per hour money, instead of all day being naked in public), loves looking at the mirror while they give you blowjob or getting fucked by you, how many of them actually prefers to enjoy the session (s) as much as you want to. Many of them are even full fledged nymphos. If you stop thinking that you can simply buy their body for sex at whatever price they are asking, you (both) can actually have good fun even at the standard rates. Win-win for everyone, without making the experience as a game of haggles like in most other unfortunate parts of the world. But then again, maybe some of you enjoy the game of haggled and feel like winning by paying more than others. Like they say, to each is his own.
Good that you are now getting 50e / 30 min standard sessions from many girls, and I hope it will improve to almost all the girls soon. And like you said, you can always extend the time as you feel needed, even sticking with the standard rates. Scammer girls will not get much business if most of us mongers think with our big head LOL.
PussyLiccker
10-18-18, 18:05
He said 6-7 times. The girl 9-10, and that beats Yammayamma's record. You can make a pricing discussion some place, or take it to the lounge or take it PM). It goes nowhere when there are disagreements.
Leave the thread for reports. I don't find these discussion do anything, but trashes the threads.
He said 6-7 times. The girl 9-10, and that beats Yammayamma's record. You can make a pricing discussion some place, or take it to the lounge or take it PM). It goes nowhere when there are disagreements.
Leave the thread for reports. I don't find these discussion do anything, but trashes the threads.LOL. That same nympho girl once had 14 times in one 24 hours period with me, and funny thing is that none of us even tried for it. That's her best record as much as I know (she left the business now), and definitely credit goes to her, not to me at all. I was just lucky to enjoy all that.
On the serious side, I agree with you PL. I will stop here on this futile rate discussion with folks who starts screwing up the mongering field for everyone else by paying too much but prefers to stay in denials, and starts calling others names when loses the arguments; instead of doing the research thoroughly and learning from the experienced. Thanks PL for you being the wise man among us.
Thank, it will be sure Palace the Friday night but no discount entry because I'll be in Frankfurt around 19:00 and I'll head to the club around 21:00.Was written entry should be discount to 50 because of works, but I don't know if true. Enjoy.
TheWhatsuppGuy
10-18-18, 19:53
I just found that handicraft work takes place until November and they reduce the entry to 50€.
Can somebody report the situation at Palace this days (place, girls, atmosphere, etc etc). Don't care about the entry.
Please as soon as possible because I plane to head there tomorrow night.
ExpatLover
10-18-18, 19:59
He said 6-7 times. The girl 9-10, and that beats Yammayamma's record. You can make a pricing discussion some place, or take it to the lounge or take it PM). It goes nowhere when there are disagreements.
Leave the thread for reports. I don't find these discussion do anything, but trashes the threads.If now we are believing in what prostitutes and mongers are saying or writing starting with me it is really the beginning of the end.
Confirmed: I called them up. 50 e entry every day till the end of the month. I might give it a try.
I've been closing following the rate thread. Good points on differing sides, but I want to add something for thought. As a foreigner who only travels to DE land of nirvana once or twice a year, I can afford to run the table whenever I damn well please. However, that is not okay. It's rude. My POV is that I'm a guest in DE and that I need to fit in with DE culture, follow DE rules, and defer to the local guys when playing in their backyard. I'd rather miss a couple of opportunities with girls in the clubs, but walk away with my reputation as a good guest intact. Always lurking, always learning, always grateful for the chance to share the FKK experience with the local guys that make this possible. My two cents.
Gino02 - I think you are a fraud. I looked at several of your posts and it is one thing: railing about prices. You have never written a club report. You are either a monger with a dual handle or an out and out fraud. A person that sits behind a keyboard and lives vicariously through others. Why is it nobody has ever met you in an FKK? Why are there no detailed reports from you.
You ought to go to an FKK sometime. I think you would like it.
And besides, if you ever did take a girl home all night there is no way that you were able to cum 9-10 times but that's OK. It never happened. I am going to put you in ignore. You are a fraud. I call shenanigans!We are all different as say girls, girls behave in different way with us, from how we behave. Some look for dreams like me, for anything I do, some just want to have sex, some for less expensive money like many Germans. Some feel more comfortable with not so pretty girls, thinking pretty ones will give them bad behavior. I know the prettiest, the princess behavior like to feel woman. Good manners, respect, skill for orgasmus open them, then they come to repeat, even the busiest, not making You wait with your ticket to wait whole day.
Each one own dreams if we are able to have, own pleasure and experiences. For those who don t want to spend money, and I don t say to accept upselling, when I never repeat with upselling girls, but better to stay in bed with money under pillow, waiting to die.
Advises from the most bullshit about and jealous, bad guy in FKK land, who wish to his last FKK GF a better health, he worked hard for 11 months to find her, but he just wish her to take care of her, to be able to have a future woman life. That s the most important for me and of course for her who was superb on our last time. Some guys were looking at us after our room, but after saying: look at this girl, they didn't dare to go to her. Even not so attractive behavior in lounge, but no public exhibition, but going to her was a really good choice: a beauty who likes to feel woman, all what I like. We never spoke about money.
Member #4581
10-19-18, 04:04
One of these days, FKKs should mandate no clothes for the guys and gals alike. Then public sex naturally follows. Once you let it all hang out, you will not feel shy doing what comes naturally.
If you feel shy, can stick to RLD.
And those (while being fat and ugly themselves) that complain they don't want to see other naked ugly men -- stick to porn
One of these days, FKKs should mandate no clothes for the guys and gals alike. Then public sex naturally follows. Once you let it all hang out, you will not feel shy doing what comes naturally.
If you feel shy, can stick to RLD.
And those (while being fat and ugly themselves) that complain they don't want to see other naked ugly men -- stick to pornI don't agree with you, I'm not excited seeing girls fucked in public. I look for woman types and behavior, not girls ready for anything for money. My subjective opinion.
ExpatLover
10-19-18, 06:31
One of these days, FKKs should mandate no clothes for the guys and gals alike. Then public sex naturally follows. Once you let it all hang out, you will not feel shy doing what comes naturally.
If you feel shy, can stick to RLD.
And those (while being fat and ugly themselves) that complain they don't want to see other naked ugly men -- stick to pornThey can also do some sport and diet so they will look better. It is also far better for sex than to take Viagra.
One of these days, FKKs should mandate no clothes for the guys and gals alike. Then public sex naturally follows. Once you let it all hang out, you will not feel shy doing what comes naturally.
If you feel shy, can stick to RLD.
And those (while being fat and ugly themselves) that complain they don't want to see other naked ugly men -- stick to pornThis sounds like one of the partytreffs or gang bang clubs or special events at RTC flat rate clubs where its a free for all for one price.
Naked men everywhere as well as naked women getting it on anywhere, anytime and anyone.
Gino02 - I think you are a fraud. I looked at several of your posts and it is one thing: railing about prices. You have never written a club report. You are either a monger with a dual handle or an out and out fraud. A person that sits behind a keyboard and lives vicariously through others. Why is it nobody has ever met you in an FKK? Why are there no detailed reports from you.
You ought to go to an FKK sometime. I think you would like it.
And besides, if you ever did take a girl home all night there is no way that you were able to cum 9-10 times but that's OK. It never happened. I am going to put you in ignore. You are a fraud. I call shenanigans!From this reader's point of view after reading posts from both Gina and HS, it seems to me that Gina has a fine grasp on the FKK scene. His experiences and opinions are often consistent with my own. On the flip side, I often find that HS's opinions are more often not what I find to be my FKK experience. From a psychological point of view, it is sometimes difficult to swallow that someone else may be getting a better deal than you. If it were me, instead of doubting, I would figure out why the other monger is getting a better deal and I would try to emulate his methods.
One of these days, FKKs should mandate no clothes for the guys and gals alike. And those (while being fat and ugly themselves) that complain they don't want to see other naked ugly men -- stick to pornOh my God no! Hell no!
TheWhatsuppGuy
10-19-18, 15:53
I just found that handicraft work takes place until November and they reduce the entry to 50€.
Can somebody report the situation at Palace this days (place, girls, atmosphere, etc etc). Don't care about the entry.
Please as soon as possible because I plane to head there tonight.
PussyLiccker
10-19-18, 17:50
Oh my God no! Hell no!Somebody got hots for old and fat male bodies. Anyway continue this desire in the lounge.
HungryStud101
10-20-18, 02:25
From this reader's point of view after reading posts from both Gina and HS, it seems to me that Gina has a fine grasp on the FKK scene. His experiences and opinions are often consistent with my own. On the flip side, I often find that HS's opinions are more often not what I find to be my FKK experience. From a psychological point of view, it is sometimes difficult to swallow that someone else may be getting a better deal than you. If it were me, instead of doubting, I would figure out why the other monger is getting a better deal and I would try to emulate his methods.This is the last I will say about this and I'm done. I write reviews. My reviews are documented in several threads throughout ISG. The other guy just rails about people paying over 50 E for a session and that's not a report. Do I pay too much? Not according to your post in the Sharks thread #17505. In fact you said "Nice job not overpaying and only giving into services you want. Heck 100Euro for anal in Hessen is a big achievement in Hessen...I look forward to another entertaining report." But admittedly, I've been had on four continents.
Am I wrong that you cannot get DFK, GFE, FIV and wedding night sex with a top looker for 50 E etc at Oase and Sharks like the other guy says? Look at your OWN reports #16949,16952, 12351. I like how you say "I think the question is can you can still get a 50Euro with kiss BBJ, suck & fuck with a looker regardless of brand name. The statement is hyperbole but I have no doubt that said service can be had with those large 40 year olds that who work on Dessous day using clothes to cover up those bellies..
You also complain in #16952 about "On a trip where even my regulars are refusing my 100 note and that is my biggest complaint. ".
So I think we are on the same page. Read your own reports.
The funny thing is I was impugned for honestly reporting what the girls were charging. I talked to so many girls that wanted 100 E /30 min GFE. I thought for that price I could work in a finish that I like to the BJ I like and that worked with some of the lookers but many wanted 150 E for this. I didn't go to the room with them for that in my last 2018 trips to Hesse. I just reported it. I doubt anybody can be successful for 50E/30 minutes with those same girls.
Am I wrong that you cannot get DFK, GFE, FIV and wedding night sex with a top looker for 50 E etc at Oase and Sharks like the other guy says? Look at your OWN reports #16949,16952, 12351. I like how you say "I think the question is can you can still get a 50Euro with kiss BBJ, suck & fuck with a looker regardless of brand name. The statement is hyperbole but I have no doubt that said service can be had with those large 40 year olds that who work on Dessous day using clothes to cover up those bellies..
You also complain in #16952 about "On a trip where even my regulars are refusing my 100 note and that is my biggest complaint. ".
So I think we are on the same page. Read your own reports.For context, reports were in reference to Sharks.
Member #4581
10-20-18, 03:36
Speaking of fat old big bodies..
Somebody got hots for old and fat male bodies. Anyway continue this desire in the lounge.Or perhaps someone is threatened by other men being nude?
When you watch porn, do you watch only lesbian porn? Do the males in the porn bother you?
Or is it that only fat old males bother you but young attractive males don't? If so, thats interesting. Hmm.
Anyway, my suggestion was a tongue in cheek knowing full well it will never pass and it was a bit of poking fun at the guy asking about wearing shorts in FKK. But it is amusing to see all the homophobic tendencies jump out of members immediately.
Member #4581
10-20-18, 03:50
I agree with HS101. I don't know him personally but from reading his reports, he is well traveled and has a lot of mongering miles on his body. It is absurd to jump on him for reporting what he experiences accurately. The reality is that 30 m50 e has ceased be the textbook definition for a while. You can't get all the goodies that you think should be free such as DFK, BBBJ, BLS, and full 30 M. Not with the hot lookers. And not consistently, and definitely not for a new face in the club from every single hot girl in the club. Perhaps you might get lucky with one girl, perhaps two girls. But if you line up the 10 or 15 best lookers in Sharks or Oase, send a new face to each of them, indoctrinate the new guy with a clear definition of the text book price and he holds steadfast, see how many of the girls give him all the goodies. I would bet a small percentage, if lucky.
If I understand HS101, that's pretty much all he said. Just a simple recitation of ground reality as it exists today.
From this reader's point of view after reading posts from both Gina and HS, it seems to me that Gina has a fine grasp on the FKK scene. His experiences and opinions are often consistent with my own. On the flip side, I often find that HS's opinions are more often not what I find to be my FKK experience. From a psychological point of view, it is sometimes difficult to swallow that someone else may be getting a better deal than you. If it were me, instead of doubting, I would figure out why the other monger is getting a better deal and I would try to emulate his methods.I agree with what HungryStud is writing and is a realistic portrayal of the state of play in the Hessen FKK scene.
The top shelf girls that are sought after are asking for a lot more than 50 euros to go to the room to get the service that some have expected in the distant past. There will be some girls willing to take the 50 euros to perform to the level that has been described by Gina as Takedown says but these will not the girls thy have a queue of horny guys after their hot assets.
The thing is to go for one hour sessions or some other extra in a half hour session to secure that service level which costs more than 50 euros as HungryStud says. This is still on the same pricing scale as before but adds another dimension where in total sum the girl gets a bit more than before. The reality is I will not begrudge a girl doing such a sex service job that makes me so happy the money to incentivise her to perform well.
One of these days, FKKs should mandate no clothes for the guys and gals alike. Then public sex naturally follows. Once you let it all hang out, you will not feel shy doing what comes naturally.
If you feel shy, can stick to RLD.
And those (while being fat and ugly themselves) that complain they don't want to see other naked ugly men -- stick to pornI think bath robe on or off options are the best as it is.
Out of 8 or 9 years FKK, I have not seen any male guest walking bare nude around club beside shower room or related nude places, which I appreciate as I am there to fuck girls and watch girls nude, not male client elected penis walking around LOL.
As for public actions, it is good to watch now and then, it mostly take place in cinema and out side area sometimes. It is good fun, but I got too much manner and courtesy and not to stare, but mildly watch LOL.
However, I do not want to see male clients walking around bare nude with erected penis around club, but it is odd to see quite few guys walking around with bath robe with boxer short or even t-shirt and boxer short in club under neath their bath robes, also sometimes with cap and sunglasses LOL. I presume it is local or in town with colleague for business or messe, so high risk of encounters in club? But cap and sunglasses attract more attention on those guys LOL.
Member #4636
10-20-18, 10:32
I just found that handicraft work takes place until November and they reduce the entry to 50.
Can somebody report the situation at Palace this days (place, girls, atmosphere, etc etc). Don't care about the entry.
Please as soon as possible because I plane to head there tonight.Dude,
I did got your message but it was around 2 am.
I was there from 10 but until 2 I was with my queen.
I was holding it at the bar for 20 minutes no one came and I thought you must have left.
I agree with HS101. I don't know him personally but from reading his reports, he is well traveled and has a lot of mongering miles on his body. It is absurd to jump on him for reporting what he experiences accurately. The reality is that 30 m50 e has ceased be the textbook definition for a while. You can't get all the goodies that you think should be free such as DFK, BBBJ, BLS, and full 30 M. Not with the hot lookers. And not consistently, and definitely not for a new face in the club from every single hot girl in the club. Perhaps you might get lucky with one girl, perhaps two girls. But if you line up the 10 or 15 best lookers in Sharks or Oase, send a new face to each of them, indoctrinate the new guy with a clear definition of the text book price and he holds steadfast, see how many of the girls give him all the goodies. I would bet a small percentage, if lucky.
If I understand HS101, that's pretty much all he said. Just a simple recitation of ground reality as it exists today.HS seems to be steering the argument towards parameters that fit his point of view, top lookers at Sharks, Oase, Palace. Of course 50 euro often does not get you far, duh! From what I recall, you yourself have also only visited Sharks and Oase; of course your opinion would be the same. Does that 50 euro argument apply to clubs like Dietz, Finca, Aca? Or even LR and Babylon? Would you guys even know?
It may be "absurd to jump on him for only posting what he experiences." But that's not all he did was it? Didn't he straight up call out Gina, insulting him to be a fraud?
You can't get all the goodies that you think should be free such as DFK, BBBJ, BLS, and full 30 M. Not with the hot lookers.Yes, you can.
And not consistently, and definitely not for a new face in the club from every single hot girl in the club.I don't think anybody said that. Scammers do exist. At crowded times things are more difficult. And of course; if you pick Palace and Mainhattan as your starting point, you will struggle even more.
I am not jumping on anybody here, but trying to be helpful. The consensus among some of the most frequent posters here are just way too pessimistic and disillusioned on behalf of firsttimers to the clubs. In stead of asking firsttimers to give up I would rather underscore that there is a learning process. Firsttimers will make mistakes, but they can learn from mistakes. And it all starts by knowing the normal pricing and respect them (and I mean the normal pricing quoted by Gino and not the prices quoted by the scammers that even some ISGers around here do sympathize with).
Being decent and respectful goes a long way. In fact, most girls (including the hottest) still appreciate a decent and respectful gent. There is no need to overpay. Nobody can get good performance for 50 E from all the girls, but most gents can visit a club and get a couple of 50 E sessions with solid performance from some of the hottest girls. Again, I have had this opportunity in all of my club visits in 2018, and so do most of my monger friends.
BigBuddy69
10-20-18, 11:34
Yes that's trus, and Sharks is more than probably not the best place to go with these kind of expectations. HS101 is totally honest in his reviews, two years ago when I came in Sharks I was already pissed off by this permanent upselling. It's not a problem of being an "only 50 euros cheap charlie whatever' kind of guy, I have no problems with 1 h (and sometimes more) sessions. And the girls I have sessionned the most never asked me how long I wanted to stay. I don't have to commit to spend a minimal amount of money other than 50 € especially with a girl I don't know. I only went once with a girl who told me that she only accepted one hour sessions, only because she had a very high reputation. And I told her clearly that I'll stay true to my word if her service was really good, otherwise I'd leave. I finished spending 1 h30 with this girl.
One of my French friends is a 50 euros kind of guy because he cums fast and has no interest staying after. He warmed me before my first visit that in Hessen, you had to be very clear with what you wanted before to go in the room. Sometimes he argues a little with me because he thinks that in Sharks, you can still get good sessions for 50 euros but every time he goes to Sharks, he picks mainly above 30 yo girls. Still, he hasn't a 100% success rate, last time he had to pay 60 € for 30 minutes for one girl and he committed to 1 h session with another because she didn't want to fuck for 50 €.
Kosher Kowboy
10-20-18, 14:43
I agree with HS101. I don't know him personally but from reading his reports, he is well traveled and has a lot of mongering miles on his body. It is absurd to jump on him for reporting what he experiences accurately. The reality is that 30 m50 e has ceased be the textbook definition for a while. You can't get all the goodies that you think should be free such as DFK, BBBJ, BLS, and full 30 M. Not with the hot lookers. And not consistently, and definitely not for a new face in the club from every single hot girl in the club. Perhaps you might get lucky with one girl, perhaps two girls. But if you line up the 10 or 15 best lookers in Sharks or Oase, send a new face to each of them, indoctrinate the new guy with a clear definition of the text book price and he holds steadfast, see how many of the girls give him all the goodies. I would bet a small percentage, if lucky.
If I understand HS101, that's pretty much all he said. Just a simple recitation of ground reality as it exists today.Agree with all. Whether HS overpaid, underpaid, fucked for free, got perks for less all doesn't matter what does matter relates to one of the purposes of these boards which is to report experiences so others can see reality. Actual experiences and recent ones a little bit of the ' What have you done for me lately' thing. Actual reviews, real names, dates, details etc. Yes HS paid over what is ' traditional' but perhaps he paid what was ' actual' and I don't give a flying fuck if he got ripped off or got a deal, he posted ' truth in reporting. ' And he probably knows he paid up more than some 'claim' (or bullshit) but I can say with great confidence many reviews are guys saying they paid 50 or 100 when they really paid more their ego or fear of being attacked by others as ' stop fucking up prices' gets in the way of accuracy so I absolutely agree with the absurdity of jumping on the reviews of HS. To attack HS is actually to discourage the continuous flow of reviews and accuracy regardless of price as no posts are as valuable to a P6 site than reviews themselves. They are our bread and butter and need to be encouraged and appreciated even if one doesn't agree.
Now jumping down to Darmstadt, not all stick to it but part of the current Sharks ' agreement' (as explained by a former Shark) which only the top quarter stick too (but 90 percent of the guys want them only) so they are the ones most attendees are gunning for is that any guy who walks in the club who is totally unknown or a first timer (which probably does not relate to any of us who have) he is to be upsold, given no breaks, 30 minutes is to be between 15 and 20 and hours 45 minutes. So if you are new go study the reviews and layout of Sharks or some other FKK Club like Artemis, Oase etc and tell the girl you go there, at least they think you have experience if you can toss out a few tidbits to let them know and / or say you have been to Sharks was over a year and a half ago etc. Don't say you are new. New guys are to be quoted 100 for a 30 min BBBJ and 150 BBBJ hours, old faces they work with.
That is how it was explained to me.
On another note, these girls are very shrewd in all their observations of new guys or regulars. A few trips ago I was at Mainhatten talking to a girl I had never met and visa versa. She asked me if I was new to the club and explained been coming for 3 years and I jump between clubs. She replied she can see I had been to Germany several times. I was a tad baffled how she knew and asked her and she explained I had brought and was wearing my own shoes that no new guys show up with their own shoes. Basically, nothing skips by these girls. At least not the good ones.
Maybe invest in a 10 dollar pair of Wal Mart sandals that are waterproof. Might save you more than a few Euros (along with persistence in negotiating) , never know.
TheWhatsuppGuy
10-20-18, 15:03
My first visit to Palace was good, I give 7/10 in total because of the constructions.
Got there in 21:30 and I know they have construction in the place, the jacuzzi and the big bar area was closed. That's why made the place a bit smaller and was many guys and girls. BTW the entry fee 50€ .
After shower I hit to the bar and grab a beer then I hit to the restaurant, in the way I been approached by Hope (nice girl, I think she is Latino from Jamaica or) told here just came and I got to eat, she ask maybe later? I said if I felt for desert it will be you chocolate. But she is not my type. The food was good, my lucky day they had salmon, yum yum. Finished dinner, got out I sat on a table, came a girl I forgot her name (she have natural big boobs, nice body a bit weight there but juicy, thick hair but she hang it up which make her taller) she direct go to business, she told she do everything, everything, but after I read here many about many scammer girls I agreed with here 100/60 including BBBJ, DAAY, I told here I didn't had sex for a while so maybe I'll finish fast she said no problem so I told here can I do a second time, she said no problem and I think it was a mistake, me self I thought I'll finish fast but I was tiered. We hit to the room, she start doing here hygiene routine on me. I start kissing her every where, then I go down on her, take my time enjoying her delicious treasure and she start moaning, I don't think she fake, whatever, I like it, she gave me a good BBBJ, not long, there was no upsillng, but we didn't agree for DFK but she give me to try it once. Then she put the condom and I take her while she laying, she was thinking I will do a minute and finish, but I took my time, and then she start saying, aha you lured me, you said you will finish fast, I lost a bit joyful but I see she enjoyed my dick, and she kept pushing me back, I asked what's wrong? She said yours is big and don't push deep, actually I felt good, because I thought mine is regular. After she riding me and start to make her moves, wonderful feeling, her treasure was tight, she look at her self on the mirror and enjoying her movements, I guess she tried to make me finish. After she brings back finish fast talking, I told her ok, lets do it, I take her doggy and take me 10 min to finish. It was a wonderful feeling. I give my self 5 min to see if I can do it again, but Hell no, I'm so tiered so it was 40 min, 100€.
Hit the shower, go out and garb a beer and sit on a table.
Many sharks there, start the up selling immediately. But also many beautiful girls.
Then been approached by many girls but I kept saying, I just got out from room and I relax. Many said maybe later and I throws my " maybe, but I don't promise " its worked fine.
Get back to the small bar, after I sat get approached by a full tattoo girl (she have a butterfly tattoo up her ass) but I said I'm relaxing. She was sitting with another girl (Merie) blond. Merie came to me and start a conversation, she said she is Germane and it's her second day in Palace, before she worked in Sharks but she get suspended for 10 days because she called an ambulance for a sick girl in Sharks. She said she is 35 after that I lost interest on her but she looks younger. She is so nice but her English is so poor so I start to wonder if she is German. We talked about many things but most was about Sharks club and how its more beautiful and nice but she didn't bring any business issue or room things. I told her I plan to go in Saturday to Mainhattan she said No, go to Sharks, I don't know. But was there a guy came to us and he start a conversation with me and she felt bored so she moved from the table.
Hit back to the middle bar and in the way I been stopped by Lora (skinny body, many tattoos, amazing eyes and very good English) she was sitting with Anna (blond, nice body, and no tattoo) and she start selling me threesome, 50/30 each CBJ, sex. But my fantasy is more than that when its come to 3 some. So I asked her, what more and for how much. She start giving all things which can possible with 3 some but 100/30 each without BBBJ or lesbian show. I silence a bit then I said but what about an hour, and before I get an answer Anna said I don't you will resist 30 min, by chance my first session girl was sitting on the same table so I looked at her and start to laugh, then Lora said 200 each, I said full service BBBJ and lesbian show, she said Yes. But its so expensive for me and I start to doubt if I can resist 60 min with them. So I said I'll think about it. I finished my beer and start a conversation with same guy before.
After a while I get approached by Sammar (half Russian half Italian, amazing body, so beautiful face and very good English) but the result was the same, up selling every thing but she been called by Lora and after she didn't came back.
3 am and after many beers I start to feel more tiered and sleepy. Many girls told me why you sad and serious I said I'm tiered and I wake up so early this morning and train trip from Stuttgart. Suddenly came Aliona (Ukrainian, very beautiful face and smile, natural tits and very good English) we start to talk about many things but most about why I'm tiered, she didn't ask to go to room but her smile and personality gave me that power to do the second and last session. So I asked what and how much, and was the original 50/30 CBJ / sex. And I bring the 1 hour thing. I don't know why I insist about the 1 hour session and I know I can't hold that long, but my imagination about what I want to do in the room I think 30 min will not be enough.
So we agreed about everything but BBBJ will cost me extra so I stuck with CBJ 100/60.
I told her to choose a room with more lights because the previous room I been in was dark a bit so she did.
We get in the room and it was the best sex I had ever (BTW guys I'm not WG expert but I had many many sex in my life) I go down on her, enjoying her delicious pussy, kissing her every where, touching her every where but of course no FIV I respect that. CBJ was amazing I didn't know it will be this good, she is professional and she now what to do so I'm thinking to delete BBBJ from my list but I think it's depends on the girl.
69 was unbelievable but in the middle it's happened unintentionally I bit her pussy lips and she go crazy, what you did, OMG, and she start to check if some blood came out but wasn't. I sweared to her that it was unintentionally. I told my self F now I break the mood and everything thing is destroyed but when she saw no blood she got back to 69 with a smile and enjoy the rest.
We tried every position and she gave me that GFE which I enjoyed so much. She start touching her self while doggy but I don't want to finish this way because I did the previous session so I did it the normal way, its took 40 min and in that's moments I'm done, she told you can sleep for 10 min or I can do you a massage, I go with the massage and she is pro, she massage my nick an up shoulders which gave me strength to go home. 100+20.
Shower and out.
So today it will be another club, but how I read about Sharks and how much is up selling there and its far a bit, so I think it will be Mainhattan tonight. Or what do you think guys?
Hope to have company there, Middle East guy, black hair with a robe, hahahah.
Over and out.
To attack HS is actually to discourage the continuous flow of reviews and accuracy regardless of price as no posts are as valuable to a P6 site than reviews themselves. They are our bread and butter and need to be encouraged and appreciated even if one doesn't agree.Attack HS? I just responded because he went off on Gina. I just so happen to agree with Gina.
Member #4581
10-20-18, 15:15
Yes, you can.
.Shark 16 .
You picked on the first half of my sentence and ignored the second half. I also said hot girls, and guys who are not regulars.
Yes, compromise on optics, age, face and body, you will get more. Naturally.
Yes, if you are a super regular like UH at Oase, you will get more even with girls not known to you. Because your reputation precedes you. It is no different from a high roller in Vegas being courted.
If all girls including hot girls gave all the goodies DFK, BBBJ, BLS, rim, yadda yadda to all and the sundry in a standard 50 e session, we would not be having this discussion.
If the guy has got to have something more - to be well known, to be a regular in the club, to have a strong personality and tough negotiation skills, and most of all willingness to walk away from hot girls and settle for lower quality - the market is already screwed up.
Finally, what we write on this forum makes at most minimal diffference to the total market. A few forum writers and readers make up a tiny slice of the market. The prices are set by a lot more people than those that write and read here.
On another note, these girls are very shrewd in all their observations of new guys or regulars. A few trips ago I was at Mainhatten talking to a girl I had never met and visa versa. She asked me if I was new to the club and explained been coming for 3 years and I jump between clubs. She replied she can see I had been to Germany several times. I was a tad baffled how she knew and asked her and she explained I had brought and was wearing my own shoes that no new guys show up with their own shoes. Basically, nothing skips by these girls. At least not the good ones.I had to laugh when I read this as after only my first FKK visit I've always taken my own flip flops but never realized some ladies might pick up on this.
May explain why even when I first started visiting clubs (only been 9/10 times in total anyway) I've never encountered too many problems with upselling.
However I definitely agree newbies should get an idea of the Club layout (inside Sharks & Artemis are on Google Earth) before they visit. It makes it look much more like you're a regular when you appear to know where you're going.
I'm no expert, but from what I've seen so far I think grabbing the "hot girls" (relative in my opinion, a matter of everyone's taste) is a matter of timing too.
Yes, you could up the price by 100 euros to get her to come on a packed busy night during the Messe. Or just wait for a more opportune one and find another "hot one", by approaching and barraging with offers.
Ultimately, I've had the "super hot girls" approach at different times with different attitudes and different prices at the clubs I've been to. All thanks to the ability to politely say no.
But I also understand that people here on a short trip may not have that luxury.
Yes, you can.
I don't think anybody said that. Scammers do exist. At crowded times things are more difficult. And of course; if you pick Palace and Mainhattan as your starting point, you will struggle even more.
I am not jumping on anybody here, but trying to be helpful. The consensus among some of the most frequent posters here are just way too pessimistic and disillusioned on behalf of firsttimers to the clubs. In stead of asking firsttimers to give up I would rather underscore that there is a learning process. Firsttimers will make mistakes, but they can learn from mistakes. And it all starts by knowing the normal pricing and respect them (and I mean the normal pricing quoted by Gino and not the prices quoted by the scammers that even some ISGers around here do sympathize with).
Being decent and respectful goes a long way. In fact, most girls (including the hottest) still appreciate a decent and respectful gent. There is no need to overpay. Nobody can get good performance for 50 E from all the girls, but most gents can visit a club and get a couple of 50 E sessions with solid performance from some of the hottest girls. Again, I have had this opportunity in all of my club visits in 2018, and so do most of my monger friends.Shark 16,
I think you have read Jnpr30's prose in a disjointed manner. You replied back to him by separating the legs of his proposition.
He did not rule out that wedding nights can be had for 50 euros.
What he was saying was wedding nights with top tier girls were very difficult to get particularly for Newbies or irregular attendees.
The possibility is more probable with lower tier girls and if you tend to be known or considered a regular of the club.
Even Germans report the difficulty that they have getting 50 euro sessions as well. Noting that a 100 note goes down a lot better to get the service with the best lookers for the service that they want.
I'm no expert, but from what I've seen so far I think grabbing the "hot girls" (relative in my opinion, a matter of everyone's taste) is a matter of timing too.
Yes, you could up the price by 100 euros to get her to come on a packed busy night during the Messe. Or just wait for a more opportune one and find another "hot one", by approaching and barraging with offers.
Ultimately, I've had the "super hot girls" approach at different times with different attitudes and different prices at the clubs I've been to. All thanks to the ability to politely say no.
But I also understand that people here on a short trip may not have that luxury.Indeed Lanthano you have the advantage of time and always having the ability to come back to the club as a local.
So you can avoid the queues and bidding wars when it's the busy weekend evenings and Messe times and go when it's quiet when the club superstars are idle.
ExpatLover
10-20-18, 19:55
I'm no expert, but from what I've seen so far I think grabbing the "hot girls" (relative in my opinion, a matter of everyone's taste) is a matter of timing too.
Yes, you could up the price by 100 euros to get her to come on a packed busy night during the Messe. Or just wait for a more opportune one and find another "hot one", by approaching and barraging with offers.
Ultimately, I've had the "super hot girls" approach at different times with different attitudes and different prices at the clubs I've been to. All thanks to the ability to politely say no.
But I also understand that people here on a short trip may not have that luxury.At the end of the end they are just prostitutes, take it easy even the girls don t know which price they will ask in 3 hours.
Shark 16,
I think you have read Jnpr30's prose in a disjointed manner. You replied back to him by separating the legs of his proposition.
He did not rule out that wedding nights can be had for 50 euros.
What he was saying was wedding nights with top tier girls were very difficult to get particularly for Newbies or irregular attendees.
The possibility is more probable with lower tier girls and if you tend to be known or considered a regular of the club.
Even Germans report the difficulty that they have getting 50 euro sessions as well. Noting that a 100 note goes down a lot better to get the service with the best lookers for the service that they want.I agree. My apologies to Jnpr.
Your two summaries below makes sense to me and is not too far off my own conclusions below.
Kosher Kowboy
10-21-18, 02:28
Attack HS? I just responded because he went off on Gina. I just so happen to agree with Gina.I don't think you attacked HS, I was agreeing with JNPR position unless I misread what he wrote or you wrote if I did my apologies. By the way, I see you are headed to Germany, have an excellent trip and I look forward to your reports as always. Guys who write reports with dates, names, places and prices regardless of where they go and who they see are the best contributors.
One example of such.
Hungry Stud.
TankTank123
10-21-18, 03:04
.... I had brought and was wearing my own shoes that no new guys show up with their .....Looks like you have been going to FKKs so often that you refer to your slippers/sandals/flip flops as 'shoes'. I had to explain to quite a few Romanian girls the differences between them. Or were you really wearing shoes?
Kosher Kowboy
10-21-18, 03:32
Looks like you have been going to FKKs so often that you refer to your slippers/sandals/flip flops as 'shoes'. I had to explain to quite a few Romanian girls the differences between them. Or were you really wearing shoes?Think I am just used to saying shoes at this point. The lady at Mainhatten calls them shoes too and I just gave up trying explain difference ages ago. I hate the club issued ones especially the white ones, look like nursing home 'shoes'.
Member #4581
10-21-18, 03:51
I agree. My apologies to Jnpr.
Your two summaries below makes sense to me and is not too far off my own conclusions below.Shark 16. No need, my friend. You are a valued contributor here on this site, far more valuable than I am. And as you said, we are generally in agreement. I think we all want good service at reasonable prices anyway, and especially those of us from faraway lands. If I need to pay $500 for a good service, I can get that right here in the US with a hot girl.
Member #4636
10-21-18, 08:14
My first visit to Palace was good, I give 7/10 in total because of the constructions.
Over and out.Hey Whatsup,
As I said in previous message I got your handwritten message but that was around 2 am. I see that not only we entered the club the same time but we also left the same time! I was most of the time with my queen at the bar and in later in the room, we probably saw each other but didn't know who is who. Around 2 I asked the desk and got your message, I was holding it for 20-30 minutes but you were probably fucking Aliona. The Ukrainian babe is sweet and has a lovely face, she gives excellent BJ as well, glad you liked her. And yes she has a sensitive pussy so don't bite her again. LOL.
Regarding the club and the works.
The main door leading to the lounge and the bar are closed. So all people are stuck in a small area which I don't like at all, not to mention that many were smoking. They told me that the works will change completely the place and the it would be ready in 2 or 3 weeks.
ExpatLover
10-21-18, 19:15
Hey Whatsup,
As I said in previous message I got your handwritten message but that was around 2 am. I see that not only we entered the club the same time but we also left the same time! I was most of the time with my queen at the bar and in later in the room, we probably saw each other but didn't know who is who. Around 2 I asked the desk and got your message, I was holding it for 20-30 minutes but you were probably fucking Aliona. The Ukrainian babe is sweet and has a lovely face, she gives excellent BJ as well, glad you liked her. And yes she has a sensitive pussy so don't bite her again. LOL.
Regarding the club and the works.
The main door leading to the lounge and the bar are closed. So all people are stuck in a small area which I don't like at all, not to mention that many were smoking. They told me that the works will change completely the place and the it would be ready in 2 or 3 weeks.I hope they will also have a outdoor place.
Sebastiane
10-24-18, 06:28
Does Saskia the classically beautiful German blondine from Koeln still work at Palace or has she retired? Haven't seen her for a long time (3 years) so figured she must have retired or moved clubs. Any updated info would be nice.
(She must be in her late 30's by now).
Member #4636
10-24-18, 18:18
Does Saskia the classically beautiful German blondine from Koeln still work at Palace or has she retired? Haven't seen her for a long time (3 years) so figured she must have retired or moved clubs. Any updated info would be nice.
(She must be in her late 30's by now).There is a lovely German blonde in Palace but I can't remember her name. I saw her last Friday but I didn't talk to her.
ExpatLover
10-24-18, 20:39
Does Saskia the classically beautiful German blondine from Koeln still work at Palace or has she retired? Haven't seen her for a long time (3 years) so figured she must have retired or moved clubs. Any updated info would be nice.
(She must be in her late 30's by now).Late 30's and still a prostitute what a great success story.
TheWhatsuppGuy
10-25-18, 21:00
Hey Whatsup,
As I said in previous message I got your handwritten message but that was around 2 am. I see that not only we entered the club the same time but we also left the same time! I was most of the time with my queen at the bar and in later in the room, we probably saw each other but didn't know who is who. Around 2 I asked the desk and got your message, I was holding it for 20-30 minutes but you were probably fucking Aliona. The Ukrainian babe is sweet and has a lovely face, she gives excellent BJ as well, glad you liked her. And yes she has a sensitive pussy so don't bite her again. LOL.
Regarding the club and the works.
The main door leading to the lounge and the bar are closed. So all people are stuck in a small area which I don't like at all, not to mention that many were smoking. They told me that the works will change completely the place and the it would be ready in 2 or 3 weeks.Dear PKsimar,
I asked in the reception many times but before 2 am, that's why I get NO as an answer.
I can't remember who was sitting on the main bar all time but Yes we diffinetly saw each other.
As how my work going here I think I'll have a free Saturday so I'm thinking to give Palace another visit even if they have working issue but I think it will be better than my Mainhattan visit.
So maybe we can have this time to meet there if you will or want to try again to visit Palace.
Hello everyone,
Does anyone know if Stella still works at FKK Palace? Thank you!
Member #4636
10-26-18, 05:40
Dear PKsimar,
I asked in the reception many times but before 2 am, that's why I get NO as an answer.
I can't remember who was sitting on the main bar all time but Yes we diffinetly saw each other.
As how my work going here I think I'll have a free Saturday so I'm thinking to give Palace another visit even if they have working issue but I think it will be better than my Mainhattan visit.
So maybe we can have this time to meet there if you will or want to try again to visit Palace.Yes of course it would be fun to catch up another time. I am not planning to visit the club before the works are over however.
There is a lovely German blonde in Palace but I can't remember her name. I saw her last Friday but I didn't talk to her.Blond long hair with angel face and full tattooed back, staying close to bar?
Hello everyone,
Does anyone know if Stella still works at FKK Palace? Thank you!I read somewhere on forum while back that Stella was seen in sharks, which was hard for me to picture that one.
She was good girl.
Member #4636
10-26-18, 20:53
Blond long hair with angel face and full tattooed back, staying close to bar?I can't remember about the full tattooed back or not but yes she looks like that. What is her name?
I can't remember about the full tattooed back or not but yes she looks like that. What is her name?The one I saw only on messe, has long blond hair, slim, not tall, not anymore 20 , her back is blue, full tattooed, impossible to miss.
No Stella seen on my September visits.
Member #4574
10-27-18, 23:12
Currently at FKK Palace. 50 euros entrance due bar renovation.
I read somewhere on forum while back that Stella was seen in sharks, which was hard for me to picture that one.
She was good girl.I saw at Sharks a blond MILF with same kind of tattoos, but not Stella who was just a limited level German, not able to sell love, so not interesting compare to lovely Dacia.
Member #4636
10-28-18, 07:53
The one I saw only on messe, has long blond hair, slim, not tall, not anymore 20 , her back is blue, full tattooed, impossible to miss.
No Stella seen on my September visits.Siroja,
I went with this lady on my first or second visit to Palace back in March. I didn't see her again and she was back about 2 weeks ago. I remember her because she was very sweet in the room and gave good service. But I cannot remember her name. I am not sure if her name is Stella or not. These girls change names and nationalities all the time. I will ask her if I ever see her again.
Member #4636
10-28-18, 07:56
Currently at FKK Palace. 50 euros entrance due bar renovation.Or better due to lounge room disappearance. The remaining area is small for my taste, I believe the entrance should be even lower for what it offers right now.
Good news is that we should expect something completely different when it is open.
Siroja,
I went with this lady on my first or second visit to Palace back in March. I didn't see her again and she was back about 2 weeks ago. I remember her because she was very sweet in the room and gave good service. But I cannot remember her name. I am not sure if her name is Stella or not. These girls change names and nationalities all the time. I will ask her if I ever see her again.No, blond with angel face and full tattooed back is not legendary Stella. De. I don t know her name. Was she DFKing, upselling or 50 per 30 mn?
Or better due to lounge room disappearance. The remaining area is small for my taste, I believe the entrance should be even lower for what it offers right now.
Good news is that we should expect something completely different when it is open.Something new just in time for the big Christmas rush to bring the customers back to the club.
Renewing premises is investment. Keeps it interesting and is probably a tax write off as well for the owners.
Stopped by tonight, was there maybe an hour or two. The club lacked energy. There are was a beautiful blonde who I chatted with upon immediately arriving who show s me the club, but most other girls were either very big? Or just were very sad / negative. The social space is tiny as hell due to construction. Smaller than I expected.
Honestly there Was not much for me here tonight. Maybe 15 girls at 21:00. Some attractive girls but mostly just no good energy / vibe.
I saw at Sharks a blond MILF with same kind of tattoos, but not Stella who was just a limited level German, not able to sell love, so not interesting compare to lovely Dacia.I liked Stella a lot, natural boobs, beautiful face, bit thick on body to my taste, but within good level body with her beautiful face. I will miss her presence as I have not seen her for long time.
Member #4636
10-29-18, 06:21
Stopped by tonight, was there maybe an hour or two. The club lacked energy. There are was a beautiful blonde who I chatted with upon immediately arriving who show s me the club, but most other girls were either very big? Or just were very sad / negative. The social space is tiny as hell due to construction. Smaller than I expected.
Honestly there Was not much for me here tonight. Maybe 15 girls at 21:00. Some attractive girls but mostly just no good energy / vibe.It is going to be like this for 10 more days probably.
Do you remember names from the girls you saw on Sunday night?
TheWhatsuppGuy
10-29-18, 10:38
Yes of course it would be fun to catch up another time. I am not planning to visit the club before the works are over however.I guess it will be big changes how they told, I get to know that the main bar will be in the middle and many changes in lounge.
Good news for the next visit which I planned it will be in the weekend before Christmas holiday 21-23/12 . Or what do you think PKsimar, will the girls go home in this time or its good to visit?
Member #4636
10-29-18, 18:55
. Or what do you think PKsimar, will the girls go home in this time or its good to visit?Dear Whatsupp,
I don't know because I am only 9 months in the FKK scene but from what I am reading I don't think it would be a good idea. Many girls will prefer to go back to their families for the Christmas days. But again Palace is always a fuck luck place you never know when it will be good or not. However to conclude I would not take the risk in your place, better go earlier or in January.
Member #4636
10-29-18, 19:07
No, blond with angel face and full tattooed back is not legendary Stella. De. I don t know her name. Was she DFKing, upselling or 50 per 30 mn?Yes I agree her name is not Stella. I have roomed her once but can't remember her name. No DFK as far as I remember and normal fees no upselling. I remember her angel face and her lovely hair and that she was German. I think she is one of the best girls that work in the club.
Yes I agree her name is not Stella. I have roomed her once but can't remember her name. No DFK as far as I remember and normal fees no upselling. I remember her angel face and her lovely hair and that she was German. I think she is one of the best girls that work in the club.Not kissing is not for me, I need beauties who sell me love in bed. Romanian dacia are the best for this.
Member #4636
10-30-18, 06:35
Not kissing is not for me, I need beauties who sell me love in bed. Romanian dacia are the best for this.I never thought love could be sold! I get what you mean but this GFE experience some provide is so fake. When there is love you can feel it, but there is usually never.
I like kissing as well but the GFE experience even to be close to love needs much more in my opinion.
I never thought love could be sold! I get what you mean but this GFE experience some provide is so fake. When there is love you can feel it, but there is usually never.
I like kissing as well but the GFE experience even to be close to love needs much more in my opinion.Meaning is making love sex with fluent kissing.
ExpatLover
10-31-18, 05:46
I never thought love could be sold! I get what you mean but this GFE experience some provide is so fake. When there is love you can feel it, but there is usually never.
I like kissing as well but the GFE experience even to be close to love needs much more in my opinion.Right all those prostitutes are playing a rule to suck as much cash as possible from us, we should never be naive about that. For me what matters is the beauty that is all.
It's P6 and nothing else. The girls don't love us but the 50 and 100 EUR bills in our pocket. It'a all about Illusion.
It's P6 and nothing else. The girls don't love us but the 50 and 100 EUR bills in our pocket. It'a all about Illusion.Just suck and fuck is so boring, and most of WGs are far below performer. I fell from the tree since a while, illusion increase pleasure, in mind of course.
Member #4636
10-31-18, 19:42
It's P6 and nothing else. The girls don't love us but the 50 and 100 EUR bills in our pocket. It'a all about Illusion.What is P6 ?
I don't agree with you. I believe girls can love us just like we can love them. They are humans at the end of the day and they have feelings like all of us.
What is P6 ?
I don't agree with you. I believe girls can love us just like we can love them. They are humans at the end of the day and they have feelings like all of us.Paid sex.
They do, they just grow numb to sex, especially the type they are engaged in at the club with customers.
Assuming they do have souls, they have probably have sold them to the good-for-nothing BFs and / or pimps that they meet with after they leave the club that you know nothing about.
Tedesco knows what he's talking about, as does anyone else with experience or their head screwed on the right way.
Don't be a fool and know that nothing about these girls or what goes on at these places is as it seems.
Paid sex.
They do, they just grow numb to sex, especially the type they are engaged in at the club with customers.
Assuming they do have souls, they have probably have sold them to the good-for-nothing BFs and / or pimps that they meet with after they leave the club that you know nothing about.
Tedesco knows what he's talking about, as does anyone else with experience or their head screwed on the right way.
Don't be a fool and know that nothing about these girls or what goes on at these places is as it seems.Totally agree Lanthano. From bitter experience in the end these girls are devoid of any love for their customer. In some cases it's openly hostile.
As you say their boyfriends who push them in this work have ownership of these working girls souls.
The girls themselves will say they are not selling love but sex.
Its all double talk and half truths and many times outright lies. The girls are never wrong in their minds when they are telling you total bullshit to your face. It hurts but it's the truth.
Totally agree Lanthano. From bitter experience in the end these girls are devoid of any love for their customer. In some cases it's openly hostile.
As you say their boyfriends who push them in this work have ownership of these working girls souls.
The girls themselves will say they are not selling love but sex.
Its all double talk and half truths and many times outright lies. The girls are never wrong in their minds when they are telling you total bullshit to your face. It hurts but it's the truth.Well it is like a cult religion for those girls to have pimp or lover boy.
However, FKK is there to sell sex, not love. I do not want love, but just sex, so that is why I am in FKK.
Some girls in FKK are actually good person as human, so it is a shame that they are in cult religion called pimp or lover boys. Strange faith and brain system some of these girls have.
ExpatLover
11-01-18, 05:11
Totally agree Lanthano. From bitter experience in the end these girls are devoid of any love for their customer. In some cases it's openly hostile.
As you say their boyfriends who push them in this work have ownership of these working girls souls.
The girls themselves will say they are not selling love but sex.
Its all double talk and half truths and many times outright lies. The girls are never wrong in their minds when they are telling you total bullshit to your face. It hurts but it's the truth.The prostitutes are selling sex, no their mind, emotions it is the only way for them to protect their mental health.
Member #4636
11-01-18, 06:35
Totally agree Lanthano. From bitter experience in the end these girls are devoid of any love for their customer. In some cases it's openly hostile.
As you say their boyfriends who push them in this work have ownership of these working girls souls.
The girls themselves will say they are not selling love but sex.
Its all double talk and half truths and many times outright lies. The girls are never wrong in their minds when they are telling you total bullshit to your face. It hurts but it's the truth.Lathano and OmarRap thank you so much for your wise words.
Maybe I am indeed a fool right now but only time will tell if I am right or wrong. Telling from your bitter experience it will probably be the second. I am currently in a situation where I am thinking more than the top head instead of the bottom head. LOL.
There may be some exceptions. I even know 4-5 women working really many years (more than a decade) in clubs. This way they also knew their current partner / husband after finishing the job. One couple is already married since 5 years. But all ladies were already in the 30's looking and being ready to make such a step.
That's completely different compared to punters fallen in love and sharing couch time with their teeny lady as for example it happens with Abi in Sharks who really has to manage her social time in order to make the male "soul mates" happy in a row.
There may be some exceptions. I even know 4-5 women working really many years (more than a decade) in clubs. This way they also knew their current partner / husband after finishing the job. One couple is already married since 5 years. But all ladies were already in the 30's looking and being ready to make such a step.
That's completely different compared to punters fallen in love and sharing couch time with their teeny lady as for example it happens with Abi in Sharks who really has to manage her social time in order to make the male "soul mates" happy in a row.I hope these poor husband knows that his wife has been fucked by like 1000 different men.
There may be some exceptions. I even know 4-5 women working really many years....For statistical purpose: always German punter engaged with 1xRomanian /1 xGerman /3 xPolish woman. It seems that Polish woman and German man match well. The Polish women all 35+, the German one in the 40's and the Romanian ex WG (she began the job very late and was from the very first beginning rather a good friend in club but never the typical prostitute) in the 1st half /30's.
For statistical purpose: always German punter engaged with 1xRomanian /1 xGerman /3 xPolish woman. It seems that Polish woman and German man match well. The Polish women all 35+, the German one in the 40's and the Romanian ex WG (she began the job very late and was from the very first beginning rather a good friend in club but never the typical prostitute) in the 1st half /30's.Makes you wonder who these guys could have met if they had chosen a different, less bizarre hobby.
But sounds funny and ridiculous: they spent their young years getting banged by a thousand guys for heavens knows how much money, then when they hit the threshold, opportunistically jump ship with one of the well-off guys that they hang around.
In a sense, maybe not too different from life outside the FKK clubs. Sigh.
ExpatLover
11-02-18, 06:09
Makes you wonder who these guys could have met if they had chosen a different, less bizarre hobby.
But sounds funny and ridiculous: they spent their young years getting banged by a thousand guys for heavens knows how much money, then when they hit the threshold, opportunistically jump ship with one of the well-off guys that they hang around.
In a sense, maybe not too different from life outside the FKK clubs. Sigh.Very difficult for them to find a well off guy, mostly the tourists are not interested in it and the local guys will never take a Romanian prostitutes from a club so many other woman possible who were not fucked 20000 times or more.
There may be some exceptions. I even know 4-5 women working really many years (more than a decade) in clubs. This way they also knew their current partner / husband after finishing the job. One couple is already married since 5 years. But all ladies were already in the 30's looking and being ready to make such a step.
That's completely different compared to punters fallen in love and sharing couch time with their teeny lady as for example it happens with Abi in Sharks who really has to manage her social time in order to make the male "soul mates" happy in a row.Even being in love for a WG, but how to forget she was ready to have sex with everybody for money. I liked very much some of my girls, maybe too much for this business, I try to make them behave like women for me, but not my image of woman of my life, I may not be open mind enough, to be able to build life with a prostitute. In France, a guy living with a prostitute, even not taking her money, is called pimp for the law.
Member #4636
11-02-18, 19:24
Even being in love for a WG, but how to forget she was ready to have sex with everybody for money. I liked very much some of my girls, maybe too much for this business, I try to make them behave like women for me, but not my image of woman of my life, I may not be open mind enough, to be able to build life with a prostitute. In France, a guy living with a prostitute, even not taking her money, is called pimp for the law.I really appreciate that you are sharing your long time experience.
I think that being in love with a WG is possible and it does happen. Sometimes we men just have to see the difference if it is love with the girl of with the image of the girl.
I really appreciate that you are sharing your long time experience.
I think that being in love with a WG is possible and it does happen. Sometimes we men just have to see the difference if it is love with the girl of with the image of the girl.Not 6 years yet in FKK land, soon 8 years with Russian escorts, but a real life full of love before. I chose some girls to live again part of this past in bed, but when I see them behaving like prostitutes, no more dream to live again delights, time to leave.
FunExplorer
11-04-18, 15:00
Another late report. I like this place. Lot of up selling in the past. Situation I think is the same. But this time around I thought it was worth.
Having arrived at 4 PM, I could count some 15 girls. Found none attractive enough. Had couple of beers but cursing myself for coming early. Spent next two hours literally watching disinterested girls. Many did approach but I turned them down.
Then came Camila from Colombia. Girl with nice boobs. 32 years. Very good approach. Liked her and took her. Good GFE with her. DFK, DATY, and fantastic BBJ. Did not mind my fingering. Not a time watcher so I ended up staying with her for almost an hour. E 100, which was worth surely. She recommended her Spanish friend Viola as a girl I would surely be interested but then she had not yet come and she said was expected around 8 PM. I did not attach much importance to that.
In the meantime, more girls arrived. I continued to relax with beer. Camila came to me with her friend Viola. She was lovely. 33 years. Lovely boobs and ass. Did not talk of price at all. Took her straightaway as I knew her friend would have surely briefed her based on her experience. Fantastic time with her. Her BBJ was one of the best I had and her kisses were passionate. At least I thought so unless she is an actress par excellence. Had sex in multiple positions and came in her mouth. E 100. She offered anal too but I did not. Would have made me poorer by E 100. I have however never experienced back door entry and not interested too.
Third one was Eva from Colombia again. It was a bad choice. Though it was E 50, she gave a lousy BBJ and I exited within 15 minutes.
Just waited for another hour and a half but no other girl appealed to me. A girl told me that you are here since afternoon and did not fuck any girl after seeing three girls being taken! Did not care.
I wondered whether to go back to hotel. But eventually decided to have a second session with Viola. I should say it was equally wonderful like the first one except that I could not cum. E 100 for one and half hours. I spent time chatting with her and smoking. It was a very lovely and relaxed experience.
Another late report. I like this place. Lot of up selling in the past. Situation I think is the same. But this time around I thought it was worth.
Having arrived at 4 PM, I could count some 15 girls. Found none attractive enough. Had couple of beers but cursing myself for coming early. Spent next two hours literally watching disinterested girls. Many did approach but I turned them down.
Then came Camila from Colombia. Girl with nice boobs. 32 years. Very good approach. Liked her and took her. Good GFE with her. DFK, DATY, and fantastic BBJ. Did not mind my fingering. Not a time watcher so I ended up staying with her for almost an hour. E 100, which was worth surely. She recommended her Spanish friend Viola as a girl I would surely be interested but then she had not yet come and she said was expected around 8 PM. I did not attach much importance to that..This Colombian girls must have been Romanians LOL Romanian girls change from being claiming Italian and Spanish to claiming to be Colombian now? LOL.
Member #4636
11-05-18, 20:21
This Colombian girls must have been Romanians LOL Romanian girls change from being claiming Italian and Spanish to claiming to be Colombian now? LOL.Ha ha ha. And why would a Romanian girl prefer to say she is Colombian?
This reminds me, when I met a lady and said she is from my country, without knowing my nationality. Then I start talking to her and she didn't understand a word. LOL.
Ha ha ha. And why would a Romanian girl prefer to say she is Colombian?
This reminds me, when I met a lady and said she is from my country, without knowing my nationality. Then I start talking to her and she didn't understand a word. LOL.Originally Romanian girl says they are from spain or Italy, speaking to other girls in Romanian language LOL.
Now I imagine they say Colombian because it is also Latin race and some girls are tanned skin.
It is FKK thing, Romanian in FKK claim to be some other nationalities, I tend to pretend to believe them, so it is easy on both me and her LOL.
So these girls are Colombian girls with amazing Romanian language ability.
And why would a Romanian girl prefer to say she is Colombian?.Because it's nice to differentiate towards the standard compatriot. There are girls those faces may spread the impression being of Corean origin. And some gipsy may pretend being from South America or Spain. And there are customers being happy not to share the room with the Romanian they share it in reality but with the illusion they would like to be with. To be honest. For a one-time tourist customer (doesn't depend whether coming from 20 km away or having stayed 14 hours in plane) there is nothing better but the memory having known such an exclusive girl in his eyes and returning home believing in this faked consciousness. My sincere congrats. On both sides, customer and working girl.
ExpatLover
11-06-18, 06:09
Because it's nice to differentiate towards the standard compatriot. There are girls those faces may spread the impression being of Corean origin. And some gipsy may pretend being from South America or Spain. And there are customers being happy not to share the room with the Romanian they share it in reality but with the illusion they would like to be with. To be honest. For a one-time tourist customer (doesn't depend whether coming from 20 km away or having stayed 14 hours in plane) there is nothing better but the memory having known such an exclusive girl in his eyes and returning home believing in this faked consciousness. My sincere congrats. On both sides, customer and working girl.Also the reputation of most Romanian girls is not at the top, mostly are considered to cheat and it is may be not completely wrong.
FunExplorer
11-07-18, 11:50
This Colombian girls must have been Romanians LOL Romanian girls change from being claiming Italian and Spanish to claiming to be Colombian now? LOL.Cannot understand why a girl should lie. May be they do so with regulars and I am not one of them. I visit twice or thrice a year for short duration depending upon my business in Frankfurt. Even assuming the girl was Romanian it would not have made any difference as long she gave me good service and friendly.
Member #4636
11-07-18, 19:40
Cannot understand why a girl should lie..You can't imagine the ton of reasons they have. LOL.
Member #4636
11-07-18, 22:08
Has anyone been there to tell us what it looks like now?
Cannot understand why a girl should lie. May be they do so with regulars and I am not one of them. I visit twice or thrice a year for short duration depending upon my business in Frankfurt. Even assuming the girl was Romanian it would not have made any difference as long she gave me good service and friendly.It is common thing especially in Hessen clubs, why? I don't know, I guess they do not want to give bad image to their nation as it already have and also since majority of line up is Romanian, they want to stand out? But this has been common for years and years in Hessen clubs.
Has anyone been there to tell us what it looks like now?OK, I don't know if something changed between 2007 and works in October this year. The entry fee is back on EUR 75 since Monday afternoon.
Has anyone been there to tell us what it looks like now?They posted a pic at their page on Facebook. I think they moved the bar to the middle.
Has anyone been there to tell us what it looks like now?They posted a picture on their Facebook page, I think they moved the bar to the middle.
Member #4636
11-08-18, 20:13
They posted a pic at their page on Facebook. I think they moved the bar to the middle.Yeah I saw the pic on their page the bar is much bigger and has moved to the center. I hope the girls are not bigger as well. LOL.
Hello everyone,
Does anyone know if Stella still works at FKK Palace? Thank you!Stella stopped working in last December and is not likely to come back. Asked around with her close friends and they all confirm. She was in sharks for a couple of weeks with Lulu, but a couple of years ago. No Stella level beauties at the moment for my taste.
Yeah I saw the pic on their page the bar is much bigger and has moved to the center. I hope the girls are not bigger as well. LOL.Was there yesterday, the small bar and the slot machines by the entrance are gone, construction work is still going on in this area.
The smoking lounge is gone, you are now allowed to smoke in the entire bar area. The old bar is gone and is now a big sitting area with a huge sofa plus tables. The pool is gone too and is a sitting area too. I paid 75 Euros entrance which now gets you a free alcoholic drink. There are new specials, such as on Tuesday reduced entrance to 60 euros plus you can enter the club in your street clothes. The slot machines are now where the smokers lounge used to be.
The entire center area where the stripper pole used to be is gone, this is where the new huge oval bar with chairs around it is situated.
FunExplorer
11-09-18, 10:00
I returned back to Palace after two days again today in the late afternoon. Not an impressive LU considering it is a Saturday. Did not go with any of the existing girls. Had usual quota of beer and waited patiently. Its quite sickening to wait specially given that girls too looked bored. By 6.30 PM or so more girls arrived and more men started arriving. In spite of more than 40 girls at this time, I had difficulty in choosing girls.
Maria from Latvia was my first choice today. Beautiful girl, 29. As usual with other girls, wanted E 100. Agreed, as I have been in the last four days with other girls. I think it has become a standard rate barring exceptions. Since I want DFK and BJ, I reckon girls take advantage. But this girl was exceptionally good in the room. Very nice attitude apart from being friendly. Very good BJ and kissing. Sex in multiple positions. She has a very nice ass. Highly recommended.
Had a break for over one hour with beer. By this time, there were too many men. Some more girls too had arrived in the meantime. Viola arrived and came to me straight. Went with her and had a very nice time. E 100 for one hour.
As I was resting, I was approached by Hungarian Andriada, 33 years. Was not my type of girl. But I should appreciate her persuasive skills as I sat in smoking room. She was sitting next to time and smoking too. She started meddling with dick and offered BJ and DFK for E 50. I decided to go with her. She has wonderful skills in BJ and her DFK was good too, though occasionally I felt like her teeth interfered. I extended the time with her to one hour. Had very good fuck in multiple positions. E 100 in all.
Left at 12.45 AM.
.... on Tuesday .... you can enter the club in your street clothes ....I think they should clarify this point on their website. Male guests never were constraint for FKK themselves but always got the chance to wear a bathrobe or a towel around the hips. Doing like this is attracting the well-dressed pimp acting as the serious gentleman. Using the German term "Zwang" isn't convenient on a website of this kind at all, because you arise the assumption that something has to be done but you're not free in your decision. As a result you could assume that the WG are forced to stay naked in the club on all other days.
Stella stopped working in last December and is not likely to come back. Asked around with her close friends and they all confirm. She was in sharks for a couple of weeks with Lulu, but a couple of years ago. No Stella level beauties at the moment for my taste.Julia. De who told me about her fashion French holidays was prettier for me. Also an angel face blond with full tattooed back.
No more pool? Real bad improvement.
Member #4636
11-09-18, 16:27
There are new specials, such as on Tuesday reduced entrance to 60 euros plus you can enter the club in your street clothes. Is the street clothes only for Tuesday? Also what exactly does this mean, the men enter with suits in example while the girls are naked?
ExpatLover
11-09-18, 21:24
Is the street clothes only for Tuesday? Also what exactly does this mean, the men enter with suits in example while the girls are naked?No it means the contrary.
Was there yesterday, the small bar and the slot machines by the entrance are gone, construction work is still going on in this area.
The smoking lounge is gone, you are now allowed to smoke in the entire bar area. The old bar is gone and is now a big sitting area with a huge sofa plus tables. The pool is gone too and is a sitting area too. I paid 75 Euros entrance which now gets you a free alcoholic drink. There are new specials, such as on Tuesday reduced entrance to 60 euros plus you can enter the club in your street clothes. The slot machines are now where the smokers lounge used to be.
The entire center area where the stripper pole used to be is gone, this is where the new huge oval bar with chairs around it is situated.So it sound like the club is only with bunch of sofa and table now? LOL.
The small bar by the entrance and changing room next to restaurant area is gone is bad news, that is where I situate myself to hunt who I want to go with due to good lighting there. I hope they make a small bar there again after construction is done.
Pool I gone? I hope at least they make some jacuzzi or some kind of out side area somewhere somehow.
Stella stopped working in last December and is not likely to come back. Asked around with her close friends and they all confirm. She was in sharks for a couple of weeks with Lulu, but a couple of years ago. No Stella level beauties at the moment for my taste.Stella was good girl and shall be missed, but remembered, Is Kylie still around? I did not see her for long time and never seen her during my last visits.
Julia. De who told me about her fashion French holidays was prettier for me. Also an angel face blond with full tattooed back.
No more pool? Real bad improvement.Julia DE is at Palace at the moment?
Julia DE is at Palace at the moment?I don't know, I saw her only once, on messe, asking: what is your budget to spend with me?
Member #4636
11-10-18, 04:27
Is the street clothes only for Tuesday? Also what exactly does this mean, the men enter with suits in example while the girls are naked?Visited the club.
There is now a huge bar in the lounge where everyone can smoke. There is no jacuzzi anymore. I can't say I am excited from the new look. The club was empty for a Friday night, I was there after 2 am and counted 10-15 ladies and 20 mongers.
Visited the club.
There is now a huge bar in the lounge where everyone can smoke. There is no jacuzzi anymore. I can't say I am excited from the new look. The club was empty for a Friday night, I was there after 2 am and counted 10-15 ladies and 20 mongers.So smoke are everywhere now at main bar area?
I liked that smoking room idea before instead of chimney style set up like other FKK.
Member #4636
11-10-18, 22:50
So smoke are everywhere now at main bar area?
I liked that smoking room idea before instead of chimney style set up like other FKK.Mr. Ho,
From the look of the main area lounge I understood that they still have minor works to carry out. You. Get the feeling that the club is just a huge bar now and it is still quite dark like before.
Every Tuesday the entrance 60 euro and the men are dressed with anything they like while talking with naked girls.
Including in the 75 euro entry is now also a free alcoholic drink.
There is no late entry reduce price.
No jacuzzi anymore.
Mr. Ho,
From the look of the main area lounge I understood that they still have minor works to carry out. You. Get the feeling that the club is just a huge bar now and it is still quite dark like before.
Every Tuesday the entrance 60 euro and the men are dressed with anything they like while talking with naked girls.
Including in the 75 euro entry is now also a free alcoholic drink.
There is no late entry reduce price.
No jacuzzi anymore.Sound like bad renewal with even more less places to relax than before.
If it is one big bar style club only, it is so not comfortable to stay, making club worst. They should have kept that smoking glass room and jacuzzi area where men can relax away from annoying girls asking for session one after another, so now no places to relax beside inside sauna if they keep them LOL.
Member #4636
11-11-18, 19:04
Sound like bad renewal with even more less places to relax than before.
If it is one big bar style club only, it is so not comfortable to stay, making club worst. They should have kept that smoking glass room and jacuzzi area where men can relax away from annoying girls asking for session one after another, so now no places to relax beside inside sauna if they keep them LOL.If you want to escape you can always book a 6 hour massage with the lovely masseur lady. LOL.
Yes this is true, there is no place to escape from the hungry ladies but to be honest this does not bother me, I always like to be with company even between sessions, I don't like to be alone.
I forgot to add before that there is reduced entry for 50 euro if you go till 17.00 which is good because the club before 6-7 looked always empty.
If you want to escape you can always book a 6 hour massage with the lovely masseur lady. LOL.
Yes this is true, there is no place to escape from the hungry ladies but to be honest this does not bother me, I always like to be with company even between sessions, I don't like to be alone.
I forgot to add before that there is reduced entry for 50 euro if you go till 17.00 which is good because the club before 6-7 looked always empty.Oh this 50 euro entry is good change as 75 euro was too much for Palace setup. But man so it is just one big main bar style club? If they are removing that small bar by the security money locker, then that is worst for me.
Member #4636
11-12-18, 06:25
Oh this 50 euro entry is good change as 75 euro was too much for Palace setup. But man so it is just one big main bar style club? If they are removing that small bar by the security money locker, then that is worst for me.They have removed that small bar and the slot machines next to them. If you want to see what the huge bar looks like there is a picture on their FB page.
YES! FINALLY!
Here I come! So long 75 euro entry fee!
PM me if you're around next week to check it out with me.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7m42h
They have removed that small bar and the slot machines next to them. If you want to see what the huge bar looks like there is a picture on their FB page.This huge bar looks like oval shape round bar, which kind of remind me of artemis set up of main bar area. And it looks even more darker than before.
I wonder what they make of small bar by the slot machine because that was nice blight place to hunt for girls and also chill out as there is no music and more laid back. I hope they will put sofas or small bar again there.
Member #4636
11-13-18, 06:06
This huge bar looks like oval shape round bar, which kind of remind me of artemis set up of main bar area. And it looks even more darker than before.
I wonder what they make of small bar by the slot machine because that was nice blight place to hunt for girls and also chill out as there is no music and more laid back. I hope they will put sofas or small bar again there.One good change is that on the left of the bar (as you enter) the area is higher so when you are down at the bar you have a great view of the girls when they stand and dance and shake their asses.
OK I think I have said enough about the new look just for 2 hours re visit. LOL.
Mr HO I think I asked you before but can't remember of you replied. Which girls do you prefer in the club and why? It would be very interesting to see your answer.
Last Friday I spent 7 hours (5 pm till midnight) in Palace after my real last visit there 12 years ago (yes, in autumn 2006 and a short revival three weeks ago during construction works). Well, so many things didn't change in the main hall. The jacuzzi was replaced by a 360 degree couch area, the red carpet by a laminate floor easy to clean. The colour "grey" predominates. Only the seats of the bar stools are covered by a beige alcantara leather.
I still remember the furniture (swing couches, red carpet, multicolored pillows) representing the name of an Indian palace (I was in Mandawa in 2003). Today it's modern, stylish, cool, sober and a kind of businesslike. Yesterday I passed along a new building of Deutsche Bank in Mainzer Landstrasse in Frankfurt. The entrabnce hall seems to share the same style, ok, it's not a brothel, but following the same intention, thus not an area to relax or stay together in groups watching soccer or Formula 1 on the TV screens. Also not a restaurant there to stay longer but only the time needed to eat. The guest should be as soon as possible back in the main hall ready for pick up by the ladies. By the way, the buffet in the evening is served rather late at 7:30 pm. The quality is ok. What to expect more? A kind of delivery hero for bulk consumer locations.
Let's wait until the corridors in the room area, which still spread the Indian style, will be transformed into that business looking style.
This huge bar looks like oval shape round bar, which kind of remind me of artemis set up of main bar area. And it looks even more darker than before.
I wonder what they make of small bar by the slot machine because that was nice blight place to hunt for girls and also chill out as there is no music and more laid back. I hope they will put sofas or small bar again there.I liked Kylie a lot, but I have not seen her for awhile at least when I am there, she has not been around, I tend to stick to the table front of former smoking glass room so called German table a lot, why? I like the look to start with and generally speaking I like them as humans if one of the girl I know is around because service is promised, if not one may face of upselling with not promised service delivered.
Over all, not just palace, but upsell is becoming too harsh that beside NRW, you spend so much time negotiating and worrying about service vs price you pay and if it is delivered as promised. It make me head toward NRW or I will also try to go across border to dutch FKK next time.
I liked Kylie a lot, but I have not seen her for awhile at least when I am there, she has not been around, I tend to stick to the table front of former smoking glass room so called German table a lot, why? I like the look to start with and generally speaking I like them as humans if one of the girl I know is around because service is promised, if not one may face of upselling with not promised service delivered.
Over all, not just palace, but upsell is becoming too harsh that beside NRW, you spend so much time negotiating and worrying about service vs price you pay and if it is delivered as promised. It make me head toward NRW or I will also try to go across border to dutch FKK next time.Anyone know which German girls are currently in house?
Mr HO I think I asked you before but can't remember of you replied. Which girls do you prefer in the club and why? It would be very interesting to see your answer.I really liked having sex with blonde, Czech Gina (first FKK girl I ever went with). Until she went and had all of that "plastic monster" surgery that is! Another I liked a lot was Ukrainian (so she says) Daniela. Total PSE, dirty mouth, and loves it in the ass. That is, until she went and gained too much weight! Well, it looks like she has lost a lot lately. Gina was also as thin as a rail the last time I saw her. Lost weight, but too much! Much preferred it when she had a plump, round, "white onion" with a beautiful, bright pink butt hole between her alabaster ass cheeks.
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