FKK Palace - Frankfurt [Archive] - Page 7

BottySpanker

12-27-06, 12:22

Got there about 7pm. Certainly not empty - seemed plenty of people but not crowded - 50-50 between men/women. It steadily got busier throughout the evening.

I saw Vicky when I went in, but she was with some other guy. I saw her over a year ago and had a delicious time so decided to wait.

...and wait.

...and wait.

I kept turning girls down, especially the rather annoying Marcia, and they began to think I was just a voyeur. Vicky was obviously keeping some lucky punter happy.

Thought I'd go for a massage, but masseuse was busy.

Eventually I saw Vicky. She said she had to go for a shower but would be right back.

Back to the waiting...

Sat at a table with Vanessa from Poland and Adriana from Bulgaria (I think). They were speaking German so I thought they were German but found out it was just a language they could both understand. Vanessa has fabulous tits, so I mentally marked her up as one for later.

Vicky came out and we went straight to the zimmer. I'd deliberately decided to go with her first because although I find petite girls very attractive I almost always find it harder to cum with them. I don't know if it's the voluptuous woman/milk maid thing but that's just the way I am.

Vicky looks much prettier than in those pictures. She's really cute. I also think she really likes her job. We were 69ing and something seemed unbelievable so I pushed her arse aside and saw her taking my cock all the way up to my balls. I have a reasonably large cock and no one has ever done that to me, yet alone a tiny little waif of a girl. I nearly came right there!

And so much for my plan to take my time before cuming. 10 mins after entering her I came. 1 minute later we're at it again, and I easily cum again.

I stay the hour and we have a great time. She asks why I didn't want to have anal this time and I say 'we've never had anal, I didn't know you did it. How an earth do you do anal, you're too small'?

Turns out she likes it, so I guess I'll have to save that one for next time.

I go and rest/recuperate. Later I bump into Sophia, the complete opposite to Vicky - tall, busty, and black. She's very attractive indeed so off we go to the zimmer. Waste of time and money - avoid.

Feeling maybe it's time to go. Sophia was a turn off and having a hard time thinking about getting hard again. I decide to give it a while, and sure enough after some rest I see Vanessa and Adriana again. Vanessa is mousey blond quite tall, curvy, and with suck-tastic tits. Adriana is medium height, slim, long dark hair, and cute b cup breasts, with nice nipples. Immediately they say how about a threesome and in a weak moment I say yes.

Very glad I did. They both didn't kiss but they really made an effort and were very sexy. I've nearly always had a good time with 2 girls, when they make an effort it's incredibly erotic. Vanessa's tits were even better to touch than to look at - just perfect. I could have spent a couple of weeks just on her tits. Actually on each tit.

So if you're stuck for something to do over xmas you now know.

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I Robot

12-27-06, 18:22

Never experienced or heard about it. But as a non-regular visitor - beware!Me neither, thats why I was so surprised about the whole thing. I have always felt relatively safe there, but this made me think. It was almost 6 months since my last visit so I guess they identified me as a newbie and easy target. I hadn't seen them before either. Recounted the incident to another girl later who told me that some of the girls working there are screwed up in the head.

Just ignore. Was it Lilly? That's her own kind of humor. ;-)Very good! Indeed it was Lilly. To be fair she wasn't offended by the non-tip and was ok in the room, but it was a good attempt to extort another 50 anyway.

Rogers

12-29-06, 06:55

Alexandra - brunnete, short, slim from Rusland. New girl. Didn't like the deep penetration despite my small size! Nice girl but would not repeat.

German girl - brunnette, medium height, spinal tatoo, hangs out w/the other german girls - wish I remembered her name since MUST AVOID. Send I came in her mouth when she blocked my view and just used her hand.

Catalyst

12-30-06, 19:22

3 girls for 30 minutes with champagne = 50 euros. Of course.

Reality is they would have suddenly claimed after the session that I agreed 100 euros for each girl + $$$ for the champagne. My word against theirs. But how many people have been caught in this way? The messe fairs must bring in a whole batch of customers who are there to have their wallets emptied in this way.
I would have agreed, but I would have insisted on first speaking to the front desk to avoid misunderstanding. When they changed their minds I would have still insisted on speaking to the front desk, either to report the trick or maybe with luck to force them to follow through on their offer rather than admit that they were scamming me.

Member #3346

12-31-06, 12:37

Thanks for all your helpful advice. Got back from a 4 day trip to FRA. Hit Palace twice, World once, and Oase twice. Went to the RLD twice and besides for getting exercise going up and down the stairs, it was a waste of time.

I flew in, took the S8 then the U bahn to Neue Borse. I got in in the evening and was staying at Fleming Hotel, so when it's lit up at night and you go through the hole in the wall, it's very easy to find. Checked in, cleaned up, and went next door. It was a little cold. I found that if you go out the door at the bottom of the Fleming hotel stairway, you can go down the driveway to Palace, saving a little walking distance.

Once in Palace, paid admission, they explained the basic rules, and went to the locker room and cleaned up. Something I learned is to always take two towels. One to dry yourself with, and a dry one to wear after. They didn't give me a tour, and there were some ladies sitting around the bar. I thought the little bar area was the main sitting area, and just behind that was the kino and that was it. I wondered how I was going to spend all night in the area until I saw what was behind the partition.

I was stunned by the overall attractiveness of the women. I thought the looks of the women were almost all a 7+, and that's naked. If the ladies were allowed to use clothing like pushup bras or outfits to hide their flaws like they do everywhere else in the world, they would rate much higher. There were a couple trolls, but the women were beautiful, with East/West Europe, Dominican Republic, Morocco well represented. They had one Thai and one Mongolian, but the Asian selection was lacking. The majority had natural breasts.

I spent a while scoping out the scene, but honestly, it's pretty hard to figure out. I saw a couple girls go in and out of the rooms quick, but couldn't tell if the girls who stayed in longer were giving great service, or if they suckered some guy into staying longer to milk him for euros. Many girls came up to me to ask if I was from and if I wanted to go to the room. I remembered people saying to be cautious about the Germans and Romanians, but that was about more than half the girls! I figured for my first shot, I would go quickly, so if the girl rushed me it wouldn't matter as much, so I just picked the hottest girl, Julia, a Russian. Sort of looked like Paris Hilton, but with a more perfect body. Nice implants, had chinese tattos on her spine that she didn't know the meaning of(I saw others with similar tattoos, I wonder if it's some type of brand). Went to the room she asked if I wanted an hour and to come in her mouth, I said no, quick BBBJ, no kissing, then the cover went on. Multiple position FS, decent effort, then doggie with her using her hand to get me off as soon as possible. Amazing to look at me doing this girl in the mirror, but we were done in less than 20 minutes and that was it. For all my Palace sessions, they were pretty short, because I was scared that if I took my time, the girl would say I went 31 minutes and charge me 50 extra.

I also saw Marisol from Dominican Republic, pretty face with a fantastic slender body with a great tight round ass. Great BJ skills, good kisser, unrushed, multiple positions. Nice session, but not GFE.

Last I saw Cynthia from Bulgaria, real young and skinny, flat chested but cute face, looked middle eastern. Minimal English, no kissing, but enthusiatic BJ. Started riding CG with partial penetration, but when I started licking her nipples, she started getting into it. Some DATY, again, no kissing, but good fucking skills.

I was talking to this Dominican named Maria, sort of looked like Lil Kim, decent body. She was DFKing me, licking my nipples, and even started using a dildo on herself by the pool area, but I wasn't attracted to her so didn't go.

I wouldn't repeat with any of the above girls. I saw quite a few others I wanted to session with, but when I went back the next day they weren't there, about 70% of the girls were the same. Of note, I'm Asian, speak some Spanish and English, no German, and a lot girls wouldn't talk to me. Some told me that Asians aren't thought of as good customers because many speak no English and it's hard to communicate.

I agonized a lot over how much time to spend at Palace/Oase/World and which order to visit them in. Palace is definitely a place where a newbie would be likely to get ripped off, because more of the girls either will upsell you, rush the BBBJ, not kiss, and leave as soon as you've shot. On the other hand, if you didn't know everyone was supposed to give you DFK and BBBJ, you might think you had a great session. I went to Palace first because it was accessible and had an accessible hotel right next door. People said that it doesn't matter where your hotel is as long as you can get there by train, but if you have jet lag, it does help, because you can go in and out of Palace and your hotel, but can't easily go between a hotel by a train station and Palace. Oase and Palace are accessible from Frankfurt by taxi at a reasonable fare, and easily accessible by train, World is not. Of the three places, I'd be surprised if many people would actually be able to sleep well in a kino. Downstairs at World is the only place that you might be able to crash for a while.

I'll post more in the World/Oase threads, but in comparing the three, I would say they all had a lot of hot women(whatever your criteria is for looks/body type, you will find something to your liking). More ethnic variety in Oase and Palace. Oase and Palace are easier to get to than World. World and Palace have a much nicer setting as far as room and comfort(this is in the winter, so none of the outdoor areas were available). Palace is much more likely to have girls that give poor service. For a newbie in Frankfurt that doesn't speak much German or Russian, if you had to pick a single FKK, go to Oase. It's easy to get to, the taxi back to town is affordable if you miss your train, but most importantly, the service is more consistent. Oase was the only place I went to where ALL the girls took their time with the DFK, and had great BJ skills, and didn't upsell up front. If you have time, I would hit them all just for the variety.

Thanks again for all your help!

Jackyo

12-31-06, 15:38

Of note, I'm Asian, speak some Spanish and English, no German, and a lot girls wouldn't talk to me. Some told me that Asians aren't thought of as good customers because many speak no English and it's hard to communicate.

For a newbie in Frankfurt that doesn't speak much German or Russian, if you had to pick a single FKK, go to Oase.
Its kind of difficult to try to enjoy yourself at this place while at the same time worrying about being taken advantage of.

And while some guys pooh pooh the importance of being able to communicate, it makes a huge difference.

German, Polish and Russian. Those are the key languages to learn.

I personally am into Hungarian women though. Need to find a way to take classes.

Though mostly the women will find a way around communication problems, some of the women do not like to deal with it. This shouldn't be a surprise.

Yes, I agree. Oase is the best deal of the Hessen 3.

Rain City

12-31-06, 21:13

#3346,

Thank you for a good report. I agree -- not just Palace but at any FKK, it could be a mine field. I have had a fair share of bad sessions. However, as I learned more, my good session ratio has improved significantly. The following are what I do to best ensure that I will have a good session:

1. Talk to the girl before commiting yourself and get some senses (This works often but not all the time, as some girls change their attitude completely once in the room).
2. Talk to other customers and get their recommendations. At leaset they will tell you their bad experience and you can avoid those girls.
3. Watch the body language/chemistry of the couple after they come out of the room. This could be YMMV, but at least you can tell the bad chemistry.

I would like to hear from other members as well if they have more to add to this.

Hessen Bub

01-03-07, 10:08

Jackyo

01-03-07, 15:22

Here is the Palace Blacklist compiled since the end of November, 2006. I took postings on this forum made about girls you'd avoid or not want to see again and created a summary.

I particularly liked Fats comments on "moaning like a moose" and "BBGJ or Bareback Gnaw Job". :-)

Keep 'em posts coming, dudes!

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Anna- black hair, large natural Breasts. Claimed greece.

Luisa- from colombia, dirty blonde hair, sometimes pairs with Lisa

Lisa- black from dom rep, sometimes pairs with Luisa

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I also have had a poor experience with Lisa and Louisa as twosome. I escaped with only E50 each, but I wish I had saved my money and juice for a more deserving couple.

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I ended up going with two girls who I think you should think long and hard before taking to a room.

Patricia from the Dom. Rep. She seemed to be getting more business than most, so I thought she must be doing something right. Once in the room she asked if I'd like to stay for an hour, fuck her in the ass, and come in her mouth. And not in a nice way, in a give me all your money way. She gave me a BBBJ just long enough to get hard enough for a condom and then hopped on top and started moaning like a moose. It was so fake it was almost comical. After a total of at best ten minutes, she starts complaining that I'm taking to long so i just tell her I'm tired and give her 50 Euros. A waste of time and money.

Rebecca from Germany. Almost an exact repeat from above. Once in the room she says I can fuck her in the ass and cum in her mouth for only 200 Euros like she's doing me some kind of favor. Since it was getting late, I knew she was going to be the last girl of the evening so I tell her I'll cum in her mouth but no anal. She then proceeds to to give a BBGJ, a bare back gnaw job. All teeth, no lips.

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That rings a bell. Is she thin and tatooed? She wanted to debate whether it was value for money to pay 100€ for CIM, as opposed to just 50€ for an evaluation. She might be qualified for the debating team, but not for another session.
Rebecca, 22 year, German, blonde-brown hair
Skill 2
Attitude 2
Looks 4

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In the main room, both girls were nice enough but once in the zimmer, they were both all business with no kissing and I can guarantee no repeats from me.

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If there is a serious attempt to do a black list, I would like to add (Crazy-) Daisy. She claims to have worked at Palace for a year, but I can't find a single review here on ISG. Anyway, one might connect with her and have a decent session, but I'd say her performance is totally lacking enthusiasm (like Ines at FKK World).

Daisy, 20something dirt-blonde Romanian
Skill 2
Attitude 2
Looks 4

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Daisy has been at Palace for at least four months; that's how long ago I first saw her there. She is a tall, slender Romanian with long, straight brownish-blonde hair and a decent rack. She usually hangs out with the Romanian clique led by Olympia. I would rate her looks much higher than a 4, but I agree with the poor performance scores. I went with her the first time I saw her there because it was time for me to leave for the night and I had to pick impetuously, and her performance was perfunctory and unenthusiastic. When she saw me a couple of months later, she remembered me and greeted me, and although she acted as if we had had a great session, she could not have been terribly surprised when I turned her down for a repeat.

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Crazy-Daisy's serivce ranges from poor to excellent, depending on her mood and on the guy. Since this is not very much acceptable you must decide on your own if you want to take the risk. Olympia by the way is the same.

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Had a pretty shitty time on my visit.

AVOID the following girls!

Lilly - German, light brown hair, short, small tits. She stripped on the stage that night. Processed me in and out. Begged me to cum after just a few positions.

Iranian girl - forgot name. Big natural tits and slim. Black curly long hair and tanned. She got me in room and wanted me to suck her tits for way to long. She was obviously trying to extend the time. Gave brief BJ and started using her hand. When sex came, she held the base of my dick because she said I was too big which is fucking bs. I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm both pretty small lenghth and girth. I don't know if I even actually penetrated her. AVOID!

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Sina is her name, she tells she's from Persia.

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German girl - brunnette, medium height, spinal tatoo, hangs out w/the other german girls - wish I remembered her name since MUST AVOID. Send I came in her mouth when she blocked my view and just used her hand.

Clara - Romanian, small, nice sized tits, gold tan, blond. Great saleswoman. In the room did not deliver though. Would not repeat.

Dedalus

01-04-07, 15:57

Two facts about The Palace, that really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, and I am a regular visitor there. It is discussed in several German forums as the Roemerforum and in Lustscout:

1. They raised the entrance fee to 75 EUR! Official reason: The new spa area and the new rooms. That's bullshit! They had a hamam before, and to have enough rooms is basics! And was there a price reduction during renovation time with no steam bath/hamam!? No, there wasn't! I am afraid that other clubs like FKKW and Oase (especially when the outside reconstruction works have finished) will also raise their price to 75 EUR!

Hessen Bub

Hey,

I heard about the price increase as well. Since there are not enough Top-Acts at Palace to justify a trip there and an extra 10 Euros, that means Palace will be off of my radar for awhile. I do hope that Oase and World will not follow the greedy, bad example that Palace has set. If they do, then I will spend the extra dough to head up the NRW way or visit Atlantik.

World is not bursting with male traffic, so I really cannot see them making their regulars suffer. Who knows what Mauro will do. I would not be surprised if he follows the Palace example, but it will probably hurt his business overall. I bet that Atlantik and a few of the other smaller clubs in and near Frankfurt really start to thrive.

Palace has to be banking on the notion that the tourists will still visit and not care too much about the extra 10 euros. Maybe a good bet since the heavy Messe times are right around the corner. They probably figure that those of us regulars who are living here and who are smarting from the new value added tax increase may boycott the club, but that tourist traffic will make up for the lost revenues. They are probably also hoping that by the time spring rolls around, the regulars who they lost will warm up to the idea of the price increase.

Despite the renovations, the quality of performance at Palace has been so poor of late that a price increase right now is what the Germans would call "sehr unverschämt."
I for one will only visit the club again if one of three things happen:

1) Marina come back.

2) Cindy comes back.

3) They come to their senses and lower the entrance fee back to 65 EUR.

Gents, it starts here. Show Palace (and the other clubs) that a entrance fee increase is unwise. Boycott the place and send them an email to let them know why.

Cheers,

Dedalus, rabble-rouser

Hessen Bub

01-05-07, 13:13

1) Marina come back.

2) Cindy comes back.

3) They come to their senses and lower the entrance fee back to 65 EUR.

1) Will not happen. I talked to her lately.

2) Rumors say, she's working at a club in Zurich, Switzerland.

3) Will not happen, talked to Palace management.

Hessen Bub

Dedalus

01-05-07, 13:57

1) Will not happen. I talked to her lately.

2) Rumors say, she's working at a club in Zurich, Switzerland.

3) Will not happen, talked to Palace management.

Hessen Bub

1) A man can dream can't he?

2) Those missed me. Globe or Zeus?

3) Gutsy move on their part. From the rantings and venting that I have read on the RF, they are loosing many regulars. I won't be visiting there anytime soon.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Hessen Bub

01-05-07, 15:16

2) Those missed me. Globe or Zeus?

Globe. But could also be that she's just been there after leaving Palace and quitting the job.

Hessen Bub

Felipe2006

01-05-07, 20:42

DFWdude

01-06-07, 00:06

Henio

01-06-07, 01:40

While 10 EUR is not that big a deal, the 65-75 is a psychological barrier that has thrown the club into the "not such a good deal zone". I am going to Germany on a Tour da Pussy next month and I was planning on the Palace, now Oase is more likely. As with all price increases, the only way to stop it is to bring your business elsewhere. If not, other clubs will follow Palace's initative.

Chivaz (who will boycott Palace)

Akibono

01-06-07, 05:23

While 10 EUR is not that big a deal, the 65-75 is a psychological barrier that has thrown the club into the "not such a good deal zone". I am going to Germany on a Tour da Pussy next month and I was planning on the Palace, now Oase is more likely.

Even though I predicted a price increase due to the upturn in the German economy, this one took me by surprise. The NRW region is such a better deal now that I don't make the Frankfurt 3 a priority any more.

Bocken

01-06-07, 09:17

I've been lurking in these forum for a while now - but this is my first report.

I was pretty much just passing through Frankfurt recently, and had limited time and no car, so I visited FKK Palace twice in two days. It was my first visit to an FKK ever, and let me tell you, it was awesome! Yeah, reading various reports around here I gather that there might be even better FKK's than Palace, but even so, this rookie is SOLD on the whole FKK thing after one taste of Palace.

Been mongering for a while in Thailand, and while that remains my destination of choice I really had no idea something as great as the FKK experience was available in Europe... Anyway, the report:

DAY 1:

After finding Palace (easy by train, even though I've never been in Frankfurt before) I got a short briefing from the woman at the front desk after she had ascertained that I was a newbie (tip: robes are available if you ask for them, much more comfortable than a towel IMO).

Heading inside I was immediately greeted by a naked black woman who looked like a damned supermodel - i was too distracted to talk to her and when I came back out after having changed into my robe I saw her heading to a room with another dude. After that I never saw her again that day. Dammit! Oh well, no matter, I ordered a cup of coffee and scanned the premises - this was a friday afternoon and there were very few men there, and maybe... 12-20 women.

Was approached by a darkhaired, rather cute russian girl named Elena or possibly Yelena. After some DFK at the bar we headed to a room for a very pleasant session. DFK, BBBJ, me playing with her rather big and soft breasts for a while, and then a couple of different positions... yes, I know, probably pretty standard FKK-fare, but since I am a rookie at these places I was truly gratified by the GFE feeling here as opposed to the typical european RLD attitude.

Afterwards I headed to the bar, and was almost immediately accosted by a short, chubby, old and not particularly attractive brazilian woman. She was pretty aggressive and a bit hard to get rid off.

Anyway, despite the brazilian troll, things had started out pretty nicely indeed, but they were about to become even better. I explored the facilities, spent some time in the sauna, and then went back to the bar (keeping a nervous eye out for the brazilian) and was soon approached by Stefania, a slim goodlooking italian girl. She was very outgoing and fun to talk to, I'm guessing long-time FKK-visitors might find her a bit pushy, but since I was a complete newbie and feeling slightly lost, I was just happy that she did a lot of the talking and took charge. There was some couch-action, but the moment she reached inside my robe there was nothing for it: off to a room! There followed a top-notch worldclass BBBJ second to none. After a while of intense BJ pleasure she asked if I wanted a condom, to which I replied: no no, just keep doing what you're doing. When we were done we remained for a while, cuddling, smoking a cigarette, talking some more. Very pleasant and relaxing in all.

And those two measly 30 minute sessions concluded my first day at palace. Pathetic, I know, I blame the jet lag - even though I crossed no time zones flying from Sweden.

DAY 2:

Arrived at about noon. Saw the gorgeous black woman again, she was sitting alone at a table eating breakfast/lunch. I was carrying a plate of food and a cup of coffee myself, and tried to catch her eye, but she didn't notice or possibly ignored me. Being unsure of the etiquette here, I was reluctant to intrude while she was eating and sat at another table. Again, this was the last I saw of her. WTF?! How can be that unlucky?

Was approached by Elena (Yelena?) again, and also by a couple of her russian friends, but I had my eye on Stefania. Pretty soon I found her and immediately took an extended session with her. Same routine as last time, just more of it, at a more relaxed pace. In the end it cost me 150, even though I had been pretty certain we spent (slightly) less than an hour in the room and I had availed myself of no extras. Still, since I didn't time the session we MAY have been more than an hour, and I'm not prepared to call Stefania a ripoff. Also, she certainly worked hard for the money, and in truth I payed with a smile... I was just surprised at the amount, is all.

After that long and satisfying session, I had decided to relax for a good long while and NOT take another girl to a room for quite some time. Well, that didn't work out of course. A tall hungarian girl with short dark hair (forgot her name) started rubbing her tight body against mine as I was sitting there sipping my coffee. My immediate reaction was to shoo her away, but somehow I never got around to it, and then I got turned on and a few minutes later we were in a room. It turned out she spoke almost no english, so communication was non-existent. Even so, a pleasant and tender session.

And that was my first trip to Germany for mongering purposes. But not the last - in two weeks I'm heading back to Frankfurt and this time I will have a car and GPS. Oase and World - here I come!

Oh, and BTW, is there any other FKK's in the Frankfurt region worthy of a visit, given that I have 5 days to spend in the region? Labyrinth? Malibu? F35? Someplace else?

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Bocken

01-06-07, 09:36

I've been lurking in these forum for a while now. But this is my first report.

I was pretty much just passing through Frankfurt recently, and had limited time and no car, so I visited FKK Palace twice in two days. It was my first visit to an FKK ever, and let me tell you, it was awesome! Yeah, reading various reports around here I gather that there might be even better FKK's than Palace, but even so, this rookie is SOLD on the whole FKK thing after one taste of Palace.

Been mongering for a while in Thailand, and while that remains my destination of choice I really had no idea something as great as the FKK experience was available in Europe. Anyway, the report:

DAY 1:

After finding Palace (easy by train, even though I've never been in Frankfurt before) I got a short briefing from the woman at the front desk after she had ascertained that I was a newbie (tip: robes are available if you ask for them, much more comfortable than a towel IMO).

Heading inside I was immediately greeted by a naked black woman who looked like a damned supermodel. I was too distracted to talk to her and when I came back out after having changed into my robe I saw her heading to a room with another dude. After that I never saw her again that day. Dammit! Oh well, no matter, I ordered a cup of coffee and scanned the premises. This was a Friday afternoon and there were very few men there, and maybe. 12-20 women.

Was approached by a darkhaired, rather cute russian girl named Elena or possibly Yelena. After some DFK at the bar we headed to a room for a very pleasant session. DFK, BBBJ, me playing with her rather big and soft breasts for a while, and then a couple of different positions. Yes, I know, probably pretty standard FKK-fare, but since I am a rookie at these places I was truly gratified by the GFE feeling here as opposed to the typical european RLD attitude.

Afterwards I headed to the bar, and was almost immediately accosted by a short, chubby, old and not particularly attractive brazilian woman. She was pretty aggressive and a bit hard to get rid off.

Anyway, despite the brazilian troll, things had started out pretty nicely indeed, but they were about to become even better. I explored the facilities, spent some time in the sauna, and then went back to the bar (keeping a nervous eye out for the brazilian) and was soon approached by Stefania, a slim goodlooking italian girl. She was very outgoing and fun to talk to, I'm guessing long-time FKK-visitors might find her a bit pushy, but since I was a complete newbie and feeling slightly lost, I was just happy that she did a lot of the talking and took charge. There was some couch-action, but the moment she reached inside my robe there was nothing for it: off to a room! There followed a top-notch worldclass BBBJ second to none. After a while of intense BJ pleasure she asked if I wanted a condom, to which I replied: no no, just keep doing what you're doing. When we were done we remained for a while, cuddling, smoking a cigarette, talking some more. Very pleasant and relaxing in all.

And those two measly 30 minute sessions concluded my first day at palace. Pathetic, I know, I blame the jet lag. Even though I crossed no time zones flying from Sweden.

DAY 2:

Arrived at about noon. Saw the gorgeous black woman again, she was sitting alone at a table eating breakfast/lunch. I was carrying a plate of food and a cup of coffee myself, and tried to catch her eye, but she didn't notice or possibly ignored me. Being unsure of the etiquette here, I was reluctant to intrude while she was eating and sat at another table. Again, this was the last I saw of her. WTF? ! How can be that unlucky?

Was approached by Elena (Yelena? ) again, and also by a couple of her russian friends, but I had my eye on Stefania. Pretty soon I found her and immediately took an extended session with her. Same routine as last time, just more of it, at a more relaxed pace. In the end it cost me 150, even though I had been pretty certain we spent (slightly) less than an hour in the room and I had availed myself of no extras. Still, since I didn't time the session we MAY have been more than an hour, and I'm not prepared to call Stefania a ripoff. Also, she certainly worked hard for the money, and in truth I payed with a smile. I was just surprised at the amount, is all.

After that long and satisfying session, I had decided to relax for a good long while and NOT take another girl to a room for quite some time. Well, that didn't work out of course. A tall hungarian girl with short dark hair (forgot her name) started rubbing her tight body against mine as I was sitting there sipping my coffee. My immediate reaction was to shoo her away, but somehow I never got around to it, and then I got turned on and a few minutes later we were in a room. It turned out she spoke almost no english, so communication was non-existent. Even so, a pleasant and tender session.

And that was my first trip to Germany for mongering purposes. But not the last. In two weeks I'm heading back to Frankfurt and this time I will have a car and GPS. Oase and World. Here I come!

Oh, and BTW, is there any other FKK's in the Frankfurt region worthy of a visit, given that I have 5 days to spend in the region? Labyrinth? Malibu? F35? Someplace else?

Jackyo

01-06-07, 10:59

Even though I predicted a price increase due to the upturn in the German economy, this one took me by surprise. The NRW region is such a better deal now that I don't make the Frankfurt 3 a priority any more.
Palace, for one, doesn't deserve a price increase.

A prediction: it won't be long before World and Oase follow suit.

The questions in my mind: how elastic or inelastic is demand and will the club owners be able to make this stick? How long will it be before the standard 50 Euro pricing per thirty minute session starts to wander upwards as well and with it the standard pricing for extras?

Fazit: be informed of your rights as consumers and don't allow them to push us around.

For my own selfish purposes: if you enjoy the Hessen 3, please stay in Hessen and don't spoil the relative calm of my exclusive hunting preserve which is you-know-where. :-)

Thor93

01-06-07, 11:19

Jackyo

01-06-07, 23:22

Palace has increased entry fee to 75 Euros, which is extremly bad news of course. I was wondering what the reasonig was behind that move (if any) - besides ripping off customers of course:)

My own take is that Palace wants to change their customer make-up – more foreign business types, who don´t care about 10 € increase, and less young locals (often Turkish or Arab). To put it bluntly – they are trying to keep out certain types of people.

Palace is in the city of Frankfurt, next to the subway, people don’t need a car, and so it has a lot of young local guys. Personally I´ve never had any problems with the Turkish guys, but many people do complain about them. It seems to be an issue the behavior of Turkish guys when they are in a group, out with their buddies etc. as opposed to guys by themselves.

In small-talk some girls in GT and PHG told me, when I asked them if they´d worked in other clubs – “yeah sure, Palace, but there are too many Turks, that´s why I came here”. The first time I heard that, I was stunned, but it seems many of the girls feel that way.

It´s the same thing that happens with normal clubs (discotheques) in Germany all the time – a club becomes popular, more & more people, in the end too many Turkish guys (they tend to go out in all-male groups) so there is an numerical imbalance, girls don´t feel comfortable anymore & stop going there and the club goes south financially. Sad, but true. And please don´t go all pc on me, I´m just describing things, not judging anything.

I think something like that is happening with Palace. Personally I doubt 10 Euros will change things, especially as it pisses off ALL customers, but we´ll see. The Japanese guys in town for a few days will continue to come to Palace.

Felipe
... but so long as this club is in the city and easily accessible, it will have more of an urban mix as compared to the clubs which are more difficult to get to.

10 Euros will not be enough to change this, I don't think.

Some girls don't like the Turks because in groups they do tend to hang out together, they aren't always intelligible and they make rude remarks. Worst of all from their perspective: they can be cheap and don't do much business.

But you know what, they would object to just about any ethnic group which did the same. They would say the same about English speakers if there were enough of them and they acted the same way.

Girls who do service Turks frequently though probably have an easy time. In their culture it is consider it a manly thing to come quickly.

What a difference compared to having to deal with Western dudes who bang them for long periods of time because that is what we consider manly.

J Long

01-06-07, 23:56

Dedalus

01-07-07, 02:27

My own take is that Palace wants to change their customer make-up – more foreign business types, who don´t care about 10 € increase, and less young locals (often Turkish or Arab). To put it bluntly – they are trying to keep out certain types of people.

Palace is in the city of Frankfurt, next to the subway, people don’t need a car, and so it has a lot of young local guys. Personally I´ve never had any problems with the Turkish guys, but many people do complain about them. It seems to be an issue the behavior of Turkish guys when they are in a group, out with their buddies etc. as opposed to guys by themselves.

In small-talk some girls in GT and PHG told me, when I asked them if they´d worked in other clubs – “yeah sure, Palace, but there are too many Turks, that´s why I came here”. The first time I heard that, I was stunned, but it seems many of the girls feel that way.

It´s the same thing that happens with normal clubs (discotheques) in Germany all the time – a club becomes popular, more & more people, in the end too many Turkish guys (they tend to go out in all-male groups) so there is an numerical imbalance, girls don´t feel comfortable anymore & stop going there and the club goes south financially. Sad, but true. And please don´t go all pc on me, I´m just describing things, not judging anything.

I think something like that is happening with Palace. Personally I doubt 10 Euros will change things, especially as it pisses off ALL customers, but we´ll see. The Japanese guys in town for a few days will continue to come to Palace.

Felipe

Hey Felipe,

I am pretty sure that this has nothing to do with the price increase. The folks at Palace (or Oase and World for that matter) do not care who they take 65, now 75 euros off of. This is greed, plain and simple. I have spoken to a few Palace girls who are now at other clubs and they told me that they have moved because their regulars are not coming to Palace because of the price increase and that most of the girls are hurting business-wise.

Jackyo is right. Palace does not justify a price increase. I don't care how much renovation they have done. Most of the girls there are hit-and-run, Laufhaus types who deliver a service that is far below good FKK standards. The good acts at Palace whose business thrives on repeat customers are and will continue to take a big hit. The Palace managment knew this going in.

I am boycotting the place and won't be back there. It may indeed be that World and Oase follow Palace's example, but they will be better off if they settle for being a better and more reasonably price alternative to the money-grubbers in Hausen.

Cheers,

Dedalus, geil und geizig

Felipe2006

01-07-07, 11:27

Hi Dedalus,

You're probably right about Palace.

I won't be in Frankfurt in the next couple of months - I'll stick to the NRW clubs. Hopefully Oase or World will be smart and NOT increase their prices so as to get extra business from pissed-off ex-Palace customers...:)

Vote with your feet (or wallet)!

Felipe

Hessen Bub

01-07-07, 13:19

I have spoken to a few Palace girls who are now at other clubs and they told me that they have moved because their regulars are not coming to Palace because of the price increase and that most of the girls are hurting business-wise.

How do they want to tell at this point? It is beginning of January, most girls and customers are on holiday. School holidays in Hessen last until Jan 13th! To judge, if the 10 EUR price increase will have an effect on regular visitors it is far to early, you will have to wait until the end of January.

A lot of girls by the way do not like the two alternatives in big clubs in Hessen (Oase and FKKW) because of the way they are being managed or because of the type of management they have. Palace seems to have the "cleanest" image among those clubs and to be the club that treats the girls best.

So let's wait and see what happens to the situation at palace and if the prices at World and Oase stay at 65 EUR.

Hessen Bub

Silent Bob

01-07-07, 18:27

Dedalus

01-07-07, 19:50

How do they want to tell at this point? It is beginning of January, most girls and customers are on holiday. School holidays in Hessen last until Jan 13th! To judge, if the 10 EUR price increase will have an effect on regular visitors it is far to early, you will have to wait until the end of January.

A lot of girls by the way do not like the two alternatives in big clubs in Hessen (Oase and FKKW) because of the way they are being managed or because of the type of management they have. Palace seems to have the "cleanest" image among those clubs and to be the club that treats the girls best.

So let's wait and see what happens to the situation at palace and if the prices at World and Oase stay at 65 EUR.

Hessen Bub

Fair question. I talked to a girl at GT last night who has been a staple at Palace for some time. She is a good provider and not a fly-by-night worker. In her opinion, just loosing the RF regulars (many who have made it clear that they will boycott Palace) is enough to but a hurt on her income.

I agree and appreciate that the Palace management treats their girls well. Also I know some of the issues that are problematic at Oase and World, however most girls that I speak with have less of a problem with the management at World and more of a problem with some of the girl clicks that are there.

That said, I found the overall service at Palace to be rather substandard from the time of the World Cup onward. There are hit and runs at all of the clubs, but Palace seemed to make an art of it. That german-girl click is absolute worthless IMHO. World was going through a bit of this when the busload of Romanians docked, but it did not last that long and one can get pretty great sessions at World these days.

I would love to see Inna and Maria again, but between the theft and the bad service, I think it shows some pretty heavy chutzpah from the palace people to enact that price increase.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Felipe2006

01-07-07, 20:34

I think it shows some pretty heavy chutzpah from the palace people to enact that price increase. Dedalus"heavy chutzpah" is exactly the right word for the conduct of the Palace people!

Felipe

Hessen Bub

01-07-07, 20:35

@Dedalus: There are good German girls as well: Isy, Mia, Patricia, Raffaela. Most of them not falling into my scheme, but good service.

Unfortunatly the management ignores that. I'm not willing to go into a club where my personal belonings are not secure (esp. money).

Not any more. Post from the Lustscout forum:

Nachfolgend die Antwort des Palace auf meine Anfrage :
Zitat:
Betreff: Re-Mail

Hallo Lustwandel,

vielen Dank für Deine E-Mail, ich habe Sie erst gerade gelesen, da ich in
den letzten Tagen durch die Nachwirkung einer OP nicht im Büro gewesen
war.

Nun zu dem angesprochenen Themenbereich:

SICHERHEIT der WERTFÄCHER:

Wir haben als erste Massnahme eine Kameraüberwachung installiert.

Derzeit sind wir an der rechtlichen Prüfung, ob diese mit einem 24-Std
Endlosband auch aufgezeichnet werden dürfen.

Ausserdem hat unser Personal ein grösseres Augenmerk auf die Wertfächer
gerichtet.

Weiterhin haben wir eine Sicherheitsfirma beauftragt, die
"Abschliess-Funktionen" zu überprüfen und geeignete Massnahmen
vorzuschlagen.

Nunmehr haben wir komplett neue Schließsysteme mit jeweils neuer und
eigener Sicherheitscodierung bestellt.

Diese werden sofort nach Lieferung durch diese Fachfirma montiert.
Ein genauer Liefertermin konnte uns bzgl. Weihnachts / Neujahrsurlaub der
Firmen nicht benannt werden.
Wir denken jedoch, daß dies noch im Januar 07 der Fall sein wird.

Nach Kenntnis des Einbautermins werden wir sofort reagieren und
Dich nochmal per E-Mail für die Forumsmitglieder informieren.

Wir werden alles dafür tun, daß das THE PALACE weiterhin für alle die
erogenste Zone von Frankfurt/M bleibt und Ihr Euch weiterhin bei uns so
wohl fühlt, wie die letzten 3 Jahre.

Beste Grüsse aus dem
THE PALACE
Lustwandel

Hessen Bub

Everhard

01-07-07, 22:15

Real good that they have relented and are installing new locks.

10€ more in entrance. What’s that given the whole picture? Nothing at all, compared to what I have paid to low performing girls upon a visit on average! Now, I want variety and for that I am willing to take chances and don’t just do the ‘sure things’. In other words I take calculated risks in the search for excellence. Problem is that these calculated risks turn out to be disappointments 9 times out of 10 in Palace. Way too high.

There is a saying that You Can’t Do Business Sitting On Your Ass (YCDBSOYA). Well, the management at Palace has certainly disproved that wisdom! Good for them…

In addition to the theft issue, there are some other things that would have to improve:
* Listen to complaints and do something about them.
* Edit the selection of girls. Expel the bad ones that get complaints.
* One man (Zing23) told it was his first visit, and still he was just given a towel and no explanations or tour.
* They cut back on fruits (minor detail but still, how greedy can you get?)
* Fix the showers’ water temperature

Given the line-up, I think what this club desperately needs is a new rule:

50€ per session. Every cent extra to that must be clearly communicated, be it for extra service or extra time. In a dispute, the customer’s word is final (gentlemens’ agreement).
I don’t care of the session is 30 min, or cut back to 20 min (as in reality) as long as everyone is on the same page.

I guess I have to dream on a little bit more…. Anyway, will I partake in the boycott? Sorry guys. For me, a boycott would translate to no visits until next year or price reduction, whichever comes first. I don’t think I can commit to this, but I salute those of you who will do it. What I can say is that the frequency of my visits will take a dramatic leap downwards, and I will make darn sure to set up a ‘date’ with a ‘sure thing’ upon a visit. No more visits out of the blue. From now on I’m playing it safe at Palace, that is, if I’m playing at all.

Jackyo

01-07-07, 22:45

Boken very nice report for a newbie. I had much the same experience on my first visit to an FKK (Oase 2002). In reply to your asking about other FKK's IMO stick with Oase and World your next trip. I find the others I have been too [Cocoon, Tropicana, Dolce Vita and I forgot the others] that the ambience and experience is not as comfortable as the Big 3. Just my 2 cents.

JL
The ambiance and facilities are so much better in the Hessen 3 and that is where the tourists and newbie traffic should flow.

As for the uneven service levels, who really cares.

Hauptsache: the facilities are so much better down there. Facilities, man! Thats what matters!

This advice will therefore leave the NRW clubs uncluttered and that is as good a scenario as I can think of. :-)

Ekliges Lauern

01-07-07, 23:18

I'm a long time lurker who has been going to FKKs for years. I was at palace the three nights leading up to Silvester and so was mentally prepared for disappointment as to the number and quality of ladies available. I am terrible with names so apologies for the lack of names. Perhaps this can be a bit of puzzle for the Palace regulars.

I like Palace for a number of reasons. One, you can stay at Fleming (or Ibis if looking for cheaper alternative) and walk to the club. I also get to the club every few months and have a couple of regulars that have given me consistently good service for what I am looking for so it’s a pretty low risk proposition for me. Occasionally I get approached by a girl with a laufhaus attitude, but I’m pretty good at spotting them so I don’t end up in the room with one of them too often. My strategy is to spend all my down time observing the interactions between the ladies and the customers. I split my observation time between the main room, where I can watch couples heading back to the lockers, and the Kino, where I can discreetly observe the ladies providing services ins Kino. I should not that I can speak German but not very well. The foreign ladies don’t seem to mind my bad German, in fact, they seem rather surprised that an American can speak German but I do get a weird vibe from the German ladies as I butcher their language. When asked if I am over on vacation, I tell them that I do business frequently in Germany and back every month or two. For my first session of the first night, I usually wait about an hour after arriving, so I generally don’t have enough observational data to make a selection, so I was hoping to fall back on a regular for my first session.

Night one:

For my first session, I was hoping either Czech Linda or Chinese Koko would be in attendance (hey, if I’ve sessioned with them more than 3 times, I can usually remember their names). Linda can be counted on for a thoroughly professional Kino BJ w/FT and Koko an above average BJ and girlfriend sex with a FT finish. Sadly neither was in attendance. I was hanging out at the bar when I was approach by the short Dominican lady in her 30s with the disproportionately large butt. I wasn’t really attracted to her but at that point I just wanted my first pop from a Kino BJ and for me skill is more important than appearance. Plus she seemed to get a fair amount of business during my previous visits so I was guessing she was making up for look in the service department. Plus, little Radler was voting yes to her sales pitch so off to the Kino we went. I explained to her that I wanted it slow, which she complied with at first, but she proceeded to accelerate the action quicker than I would have liked. I had to tell her to slow down and take her time a couple of times. In the end, a competent session, I’d give her a 7 in the service department. The problem with going with some of the average looking girls is that they can hound you for repeat session on a multi-day visit. And sure enough she did. But in fairness, I was satisfied with her performance for what I wan looking for.

Before my second session, Czech Vicky with the dreads caught my eye as she was constantly heading to the room, staying much longer than normal and emerging with happy customers. Plus, I really was into her body as I like small ladies with flat chests, one of my many fetishes. I caught her eating dinner and approached her telling her: no hurry but when she was finished to come see me. She finished dinner and we chatted while she had a smoke and compared notes. She told me she like GT in the summer but didn’t like that she was supposed to have sex with a CBJ for only 25 Euro. She told me that she liked long sessions and was willing to negotiate a price. I was getting a bit of a mercenary vibe, kind of like you get from Czech Linda and Lina at first.I told her that I prefer half hour sessions, but like an FT finish, hoping to sooth her mercenary side (I really don’t mind that the ladies want to maximize there earnings, as long as it is providing a service I am into). Off to the room we went. Start out with about 5 minutes on very sensual kissing and touching followed by a very good BJ. Good girl friend sex in cowgirl and doggy. What I liked is Vicky was carrying on a conversation while we were fucking with her on top. No rush, she let me take it at my pace. Long session of fucking her von hinten. When I was ready, ended with FT. I think she wanted me to extend, but longer sessions with the same girl aren’t my style (plus I need more than 30 minutes to reload between sessions 2 and 3). Vicky made the repeat list with Linda and Koko.

I chilled for a couple of hours gathering data. My selection for session three was a Brazilian lady with black hair, a roundish face and a voluptuous body. I had guessed that she is Romanian or Greek initially. She seemed to have a steady stream of customers and I had noted that she was Kino friendly. I chatted with her and explained I wanted a Kino BJ with an FT finish. Off we went. Weird vibe ensued. When she went to initiate the BJ, she wanted to wrap me up. I explained that that was not what I was after and if she insisted we were not going to have a session. I can only surmise she thought there was an issue with little Radler. She reluctantly complied and proceeds to give me what I’ve come to call the Romanian clean and jerk BJ. Very strong hand grip and much to fast. I’ve found this technique popular with the Romanian ladies and as such I tend to avoid them (not that there aren’t gems among them). This technique actually makes it harder for me to get hard. But once hard, I will come rather quickly. Oh well, you can win them all and I had added Vicky to my short repeat list so even though the last session was a disappointment and overall enjoyable evening. Plus, I just spend five plus hours hanging out in the company many very attractive naked ladies and had sex three times. Hard to put too negative a spin on that.

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Ekliges Lauern

01-07-07, 23:19

Night two:

It’s Friday night and I’m hoping to see Koko. No dice. She must be off for the holiday. There is a new (at least I haven’t seen her) Thai lady in attendance. She is fairly short; I’d guess about 5’4” and had a white half mini skirt on. She said her name was Nan or Poon or something like that. I have yellow fever in a big way so this was a no brainer for me. She seems to be sessioning and returning with happy customers so I took the plunge. Nice long slow BJ. Good girlfriend sex in multiple positions followed by an FT finish. I’m sure I’ve giving her higher marks because she’s Asian, but hey, I’m into that.

Round two: I had been scoping out the Kino action for the past two days. One lady was an attractive Polish lady, about 5’6”, short dirty blonde hair with gel in it, a very cute face (button nose), thin with A or B cup pert breasts. Not beautiful but a very cute early 20s girl. I watched her in the Kino giving a sensual BJ to another chap. I had crossed her off my list because she clearly wanted to go to the room rather than continue in public (repeatedly asking ‘Zimmer?’) much to the dismay of the chap on the receiving end. I had also watched her emerging from the rooms with happy customers (lots of touching and smiles). I decided she is probably pretty good in the room, but is embarrassed with Kino action so I decided to take the plunge. I was glad I did. Very girlfriend like, lots of kissing and touching. Nice slow BJ. Fucking in multiple positions culminating in a long doggy session. No fake moaning, very understated vocal expression. While fucking her doggy style, she positioned her head down on a pillow but looking back at me smiling. Nice touch. She didn’t rush things and let me take it at my own pace. I remember enjoying fucking her from behind for quite a long time. I finished von hinten, we snuggled and I left the room with her as a happy camper. I would repeat with her when in the mood for girlfriend sex with a sweet girl.

Round three: I had observed another lady in the Kino also giving a good BJ to another chap. She, as it turned out, is German, I would say north of 25 but under 30, about 5’7”, brown straight hair a little above the shoulders with zebra striped blond highlights and B or C cup breasts. About a 6 or 7 at best on a 10 scale, attractive but nothing special at Palace. I approached her in the main room starting with the usual “Wie heisst du? Woher kommst du? Etc.” She gave me king of a snotty remark that we had gone over that already. I can only guess that she had approached me in one of my early visits and I had turned her down. Or she had a thing about Americans. Anyway, I didn’t have any plan B at this point so I decided to go to the room anyway (I was probably a little off my game and forgot to suggest the Kino. Anyway, it turned out to be a pretty good session. Not as girlfriend like as the lady from Poland, but still quite pleasant. Sure enough she did give a quite good BJ. I decided that I would fuck her for a while and end with an FT finish. As with the early session, I was really getting into fucking her a long time doggy style. She has a nice soft ass and the sounds she was making were not the fake “oh you are so good” over the top noise a lot of the women think they are supposed to make but her rather soft grunts and moans that gave off the impression “yeah, I’m only letting you fuck me for money, but I’m still kind of digging this”. I was so into it that I decided to save my 50 Euros and finish doggie. Probably would not repeat, but a pleasant fuck none the less.

Normally I’m done after round three. I decided to take a shower and hand out in the Kino for another hour or so gathering data for tomorrow. As the ladies are coming by asking if I would like a little company, I’m running out of excuses. I’ve gone through Pause, Ich bin muede, Ich muss mich erholen and am about to resort to Ich bin kaput. Anyway, who wanders into the Kino but the young lady from Thailand. Despite my protestations, she comes up to where I am lying down and starts snuggling and kissing me. My mind is saying no, but little Radler is voting yes. Ok, what the hell. If my little Thai cutie wants to try to get me off with a Kino BJ, who am I to say no. Well, given this is number four for the day, she has to work for it, but she delivers on a very nice Kino BJ. I did not ask for an FT finish, nor did she ask if I wanted one. I assumed it was OK as we had just done that earlier today in the room. When the time came, the first spurt she took in her mouth then backed off of me. When payment time came, I figured that I would just go ahead and give her the FT bonus since it could be argued either way and I did not want the FKK bad karma over 50 Euros. She looked at the pre-offered 100 Euros, took 50 of it and gave me a kiss. There is integrity among the *****s. And I mean that in the nicest sense of the word.

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Ekliges Lauern

01-07-07, 23:21

Night three:

It’s the day before Silvester and things are really starting to thin out. No one on my repeat list is there. Another lady I noticed from my room exit observations was a petite girl, very pretty face, about 5’4”, thick dishwater blond hair down about four inches past her shoulders with a couple of inches of dark hair peaking out at the end under the blond hair. I can’t remember if she said she was German or Czech. Anyway, in the room after a pretty good BJ to start, I decide we should fuck. With her on top, she told me she was having trouble with my size. Now I am a pretty big guy, but nothing out of the ordinary I’m sure among Palace’s German guests. We switch to doggy, but we have trouble finding comfortable penetration for both of us. Switch to missionary. She does have a pretty face to look at while I’m fucking her, but she isn’t opening her legs wide enough for deep penetration. I reach down to move her legs over my shoulders so I can pound her deeply and finish. She tells me no. At this point I am thinking about just faking an orgasm so I can save my precious bodily fluids for some more deserving young lady. I the end, I decide she is not getting off that easily and decide I am going to fuck her until I come and if she wants to make it hard for me, well so be it. I finish and we leave the room. While walking to the lockers, I try to give of a “not satisfied with her” vibe.

Round two: I’ve spent most of today hanging out in the main room observing or in the tent area watching who is entering and exiting the Kino. I notice one girl, about 25 with straight black hair, kind of plain but by no means ugly with a larger than normal mouth. She has a bit of a stomach and a somewhat large butt she is trying to hide under black skirt. She seems to be getting quite a few customers and they seem to have a good vibe going to the lockers post fun. Sometimes they emerge from the Kino, sometimes the room. Well, my rule of thumb is relatively plain girls with lots of customers are giving good service. I decide to plant myself in the Kino and await her next visit. Sure enough, she comes in trolling for customers before too long. She sits down with me and introduces herself. She says she is from Greece (Athens actually) and speaks pretty good English. I tell her I want a long slow BJ with an FT finish. No problem!

This young lady proceeds to give me the best BJ of my life. The woman is an artist. At one point, I was thinking of telling her if she though she could drag it out for an hour, I’m game to try. She could enslave me with her mouth, she was that good. Anyway, we finish, I look at my watch and see she has been blowing me for exactly 30 minutes. Nice pacing. I happy pay her the FT bonus and she goes on my repeat list.

Intermission: At this point, little Radler is getting rather sore. As I contemplate round number ten in three days, I note that if I decide to, it’s going to have to be another Kino BJ as little Radler would probably object at this point to being wrapped in a gummi. As I am hanging out in the Kino resting, another chap comes and sits down at the level right below me where my feet are hanging over. I move them to the side to give him a little more room. At this point he lights up a cigarette and lays back relaxing. Now, I’m not one of those non-smokers who bitches about smoke in an FKK. As an ex-smoker, I actually kind of like the smell. Anyway, he positions the business end of the cigarette about two or three cms away from my foot. I end up tapping him on the shoulder and saying in German, “Excuse me, you are putting your cigarette up next to my foot”. I point to the cigarette and my foot. He doesn’t say anything, but turns around and moves his hand and cigarette away slightly. If it was anyone on this forum, Kino etiquette is to not risk burning the foot or other body parts of those around you with you cigarettes. Just don’t do it.

Round three: I’m thinking about calling it a day and hanging pout in the Kino. I’ve had my required hour+ recovery time, but as I mentioned, little Radler is getting rather tired. Of course, who comes and makes the Kino rounds but my little Greek blowjob artist. Now I’ve never repeated with the same lady back to back, but when the women who just gave you the best blowjob of your life asks if you would like to have another, well, I’d be a fool to say now. I like variety as much as the next guy, but there is such a thing as a sure thing. Also, I’m wondering at this point if I can, um, finish, so I’m thinking if anyone can get the job done, it’s her. Basically a repeat of BJ number one, although it took quite a bit of effort on her part to earn her FT bonus. I looked at my watch and it clocked in at about 35 minutes. I gave her the standard 100 Euros (50 half hour plus 50FT bonus). She didn’t say anything about the time.

All and all an excellent three day visit. Three new repeats on the list (anyone want to help me out with the names of the Greek and Thai ladies). Two worse than average experiences out of ten is a pretty good batting average. As a special bonus, I’ll include a quick report of my New Years Eve mongering. Not strictly FKK, but here goes.

Night four:

All of the big Frankfurt area clubs are closed for NYE, so I call the Asia Sexworld club up near Siegen to see if they will be open NYE. They will be. I have visited the sister clubs in Moers and Moenchengladback and found both to be good values if you want to fuck a Chinese lady. The price is 80 Euros for a half hour with bbbj, sex and an FT finish. Sometimes they throw in a massage. My plan is to go up, have my fun and if I am up for a round two, leave and get a bite to eat.

I drive up to the establishment, finding it rather easily. I ring the bell and am shown into the bar area. There are three ladies present. The lighting is not flattering, like black light mixed with red and the ladies look under the light kind of unhealthy and rather creepy. I’m not sure if German Chinese ***** mongers are into this look, so what gives? Anyway, I am asked if I want a drink, and am give a 5 Euro glass of bottled water. The tallest Chinese lady, about 25, offers to show me around. The rooms are every bit as creepy as the lighting, including the hunter room with the tiger skin rug complete with the fake tiger head. However, standard brothel decorating touches, such as mirrors on walls, etc, are missing. I’m not overwelmingly attracted to any of the ladies so I decide to go with my tour guide. She is about 5’8” small A or B cup breasts, pretty but not beautiful looks, thin, straight black hair below shoulders. Nice butt, if you like the thinner butts on Asian ladies. Started out with kissing and touching followed by a lack luster bbbj. Of course, my standards may be too high now. Enjoyable session of non-rushed fucking session in several positions culminating with a long doggy fucking session. As we approached the half hour mark, she start to rush me a bit with the “Cum for me” line. This line has the almost opposite effect as the intent as I am tempted to laugh when a Chinese lady says this to me in German. It just doesn’t feel right. But, respecting the time limits, I let her finish me with her mouth. All in all she was better at finishing than starting and for the most part an enjoyable fuck. I decided to get a bite on the way back to Frankfurt and not return for round two. All and all I think the Asia club trio are a good value if you are in the mood for Chinese and are only looking for one round. Otherwise, there is nothing to compare with the visual stimulation of an FKK.

I can’t wait until my next, longer, trip to Germany.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Dedalus

01-07-07, 23:25

The ambiance and facilities are so much better in the Hessen 3 and that is where the tourists and newbie traffic should flow.

As for the uneven service, who really cares. Facilities, man! Thats what matters!

Hauptsache: the facilities are so much better down there... Following this advice will leave the NRW clubs uncluttered. :-)

Du bist gemein ;-))

Cheers,

Dedalus

Jackyo

01-07-07, 23:30

Du bist gemein ;-))

Cheers,

Dedalus
Hey, Deda...

I've given up on pushing NRW. Upon deep reflection, I've decided I really have no incentive to do so.

Bocken

01-08-07, 04:05

In reply to your asking about other FKK's IMO stick with Oase and World your next trip. I find the others I have been too [Cocoon, Tropicana, Dolce Vita and I forgot the others] that the ambience and experience is not as comfortable as the Big 3.Thanks, I certainly will try Oase and World, but since I'll have have 5 days in Frankfurt I'm pretty determined to try one or two smaller FKK's as well... as long as they're in the Frankfurt area. Sure, I'll have a rental car, but I'm not really interested in driving all over Germany :)

The ambiance and facilities are so much better in the Hessen 3 and that is where the tourists and newbie traffic should flow.

As for the uneven service, who really cares. Facilities, man! Thats what matters!Hehe, I've realized that many of the old hands here prefer the NRW clubs, and a club's service and lineup is decidedly more important to me than ambience and facilities... but my trip to Frankfurt is in 10 days and already booked, so Frankfurt clubs it is!

Though in a few months time I'll definitely have to visit a selection of NRW clubs to see what all the fuss is about.

Hessen Bub

01-08-07, 13:24

Names would help a lot. Her are two:

I was hanging out at the bar when I was approach by the short Dominican lady in her 30s with the disproportionately large butt.

Kim is her name. Fun to hang out with, never booked her and never will, not my kind of look.

There is a new (at least I haven’t seen her) Thai lady in attendance. She is fairly short; I’d guess about 5’4” and had a white half mini skirt on. She said her name was Nan or Poon or something like that.

Pum is the name.

Hessen Bub

Iseeu

01-08-07, 21:00

The ambiance and facilities are so much better in the Hessen 3 and that is where the tourists and newbie traffic should flow.

As for the uneven service levels, who really cares.

Hauptsache: the facilities are so much better down there. Facilities, man! Thats what matters!

This advice will therefore leave the NRW clubs uncluttered and that is as good a scenario as I can think of. :-)
It's the facilities that count! Mongers need their comfort range. LOL

M P Lurker

01-11-07, 15:46

It's the facilities that count! Mongers need their comfort range. LOL
Well I'm a tourist but not a newbie any more, so I might just have to get to the Berndt's, GT etc.
Is is good to have nice couches to relax on at the Palace, but my FKK experiences started with cramped clubs with poor facilities:
The old "Tropicana" (Cornellstrasse?, Duesseldorf) first up. Didn't even know what it was till me and my work mate turned up thinking it was a table top or something. He saw the nudes lying around and was immediately pettrified, either because they weren't all stunning girls or because he didn't fancy getting his gear off in front of everyone, or because he would rather waste his money with no sex, who knows. We left and went to a pathetic Tabletop Club, however I returned to Tropicana on my own and ended up trying about 4 girls: Cuban, Dominican, German, and Brasilian. Most were good.
My 2nd FKK was Dream Girls in Stuttgart. only one or girls worth doing at all. The rest fat and old.
Moved to FKK Phoenix in Stuttgart which although poorly furnished and very smoky had a good "atmosphere". There is something to be said for lots of naked girls in a relatively small rooms. It adds to the friendliness. Most patrons were oldish German guys who want to watch the football in between fucks. Went there many times and had lots of hot girls of all colours, even some German girls worth doing regularly.
There I met the most stunning girl that I ever had the pleasure with: "Cindy".
If Cindy was around I would loose all interest in other girls, even the hot ones.
Unfortunately she was just there for fun for a few days visiting with her friend who worked there regularly.
On her last day she turned up just as I was leaving.
"Cindy is here for you!" she said in her weak English, remembering the fun we had before. Unfortunately I had to go as I had eaten something very bad and was about to spend hours dashing to the toilet. The saddest FKK experience of my life. Never seen her again. If anyone knows anything about a Cindy of mixed German/Greek ancestry from Sieburg, who seems to do FKK occasionlly for fun, I would really love to hear. She was a stunning honey blonde with big C cup naturals, vivacious to the point of being a bit hyperactive (could be on something tocause this).

Even newbies and tourists really want quality girls in preference to facilities and ambience, so trying to discourage us from trying other places won't get very far :-) Not sure if you guys were trying to fein subtlety or what.
Fortunately an American tourist at the Palace introduced me to the Forum!
So now I don't have to make all the mistakes for myself anymore.

Unfortunately my mongering days in Thailand are just about up, since I have promised my Thai GF that I will be good. However when I'm passing through Germany for work or otherwise she won't know what goes on at FKK. Hanging out with lots of nude girls is something very hard to give up completely and cost is very reasonable for what you get.

EFrog

01-12-07, 00:30

And for us poor Americans, the current exchange rate is an absolute killer. Change your money at the airport and they take 1.45 dollars for a Euro. So if the clubs start asking 75 euros to get in, we are talking $108 just to walk in the door.

Hopefully business at Palace suffers enough to persuade the other clubs to hold their prices where they are. Because you can be sure that if the girls see the club can squeeze a bit more, they will want to do the same.

Dear Thor

can you just remember that we are here in Europe, Germany, and we can't care about poor US guys and their so cheap $...
Blame GWB, after all, you did elect and reelect him...
And look where you are, thanks his great policy...
And now he ships 21,500 more potential body bags...
Sending more good boys in a messy situation, great way to solve it ...
I feel very sad for these guys and there family.
US is a great country , with great people and a "global village idiot" as they call him at UK intelligence service... (from the UK paper source)
Wasn't Nam a sufficient lesson ?

When $ was reverse , 0,83 to Euro (only four years ago, you know before the joke on Iraq against German advice not to do...), did you have any thoughts about European guys getting to the US and having currency issues.. No...

Please keep in mind that even with low $, high fee... Place like Palace keeps way cheaper then any joint in the US...
Remind me : for, let us say, 250$ (to be over entrance fee and service twice at Palace) what do you get at places like heavenly bodies, string fellows or any escort ? So don't joke...

And about drop in sales, let us just laugh...
What : you won't visit again...
Great !!! These places dont care about cheap guys... You know : one shot, slipping free Coke at the bar just voyeur activity... but always complaining...

Jackyo

01-12-07, 01:10

Even newbies and tourists really want quality girls in preference to facilities and ambience, so trying to discourage us from trying other places won't get very far :-) Not sure if you guys were trying to fein subtlety or what.
.. on preferences in clubs: specifically large versus small, Hessen versus NRW.

Everyone who has been following this knows where I stand on this issue. That Hessen gets a lot of traffic is just great as far as I am concerned. :-)

Bocken

01-12-07, 02:09

can you just remember that we are here in Europe, Germany, and we can't care about poor US guys and their so cheap $.

Blame GWB, after all, you did elect and reelect him...This seems uncalled for. The guy was just criticizing the Palace price-hike, and god knows he's not the only one here complaining about that.

Let's focus on the important stuff, plz, I don't come here to read about George W Bush :)

Dedalus

01-12-07, 06:44

And about drop in sales, let us just laugh...
What : you won't visit again...
Great !!! These places dont care about cheap guys... You know : one shot, slipping free Coke at the bar just voyeur activity... but always complaining...

Neither does Palace care about good, quality service, apparently. Despite being a cheap guy, I have spent more than a few euros at Palace since it opened, and even if I hadn't, I would still exercise my right to complain about: the service, the Diebstahl, the unjustified Preiserhöhung, or anything else I bloody well feel like.

BTW; Complaints about Palace are apparently not the exclusive domain of us cheap, one-shot ,coke-sipping Amis, as there is a multi-page thread on the RF where tons o' Teutonic folks are bitching about it in high style. Good for them. In the words of the old Coke commercial, "That's the way it is."

Support Palace if you wish. It is your right and no one in their sane mind will give you any grief for that. Also flame Bush if you wish. Hell, I might join you. As for the rest, you can take you generalizations and broad-stroke making, stereo-typing paint brush and hoist them way on up there.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Dedalus, not known for being mean-spirited, but I mean, pleeeease.....

Iseeu

01-13-07, 19:34

Neither does Palace care about good, quality service, apparently. Despite being a cheap guy, I have spent more than a few euros at Palace since it opened, and even if I hadn't, I would still exercise my right to complain about: the service, the Diebstahl, the unjustified Preiserhöhung, or anything else I bloody well feel like.

BTW; Complaints about Palace are apparently not the exclusive domain of us cheap, one-shot ,coke-sipping Amis, as there is a multi-page thread on the RF where tons o' Teutonic folks are bitching about it in high style. Good for them. In the words of the old Coke commercial, "That's the way it is."

Support Palace if you wish. It is your right and no one in their sane mind will give you any grief for that. Also flame Bush if you wish. Hell, I might join you. As for the rest, you can take you generalizations and broad-stroke making, stereo-typing paint brush and hoist them way on up there.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Dedalus, not known for being mean-spirited, but I mean, pleeeease.....
to the cheapo tourists and travellers who have a genetic affliction called being male and can't ignore nubile naked women 5 minutes from the Messe. Big textile show at the Messe last week and Thurs. night, the line was out the door waiting in the rain to get in.
I, of course, won't go near the place, but while I was luxuriating in the arms of Ines, Laetitia, Julia, and Cristina in Oase, I met 2 guys who, once they saw the mob scene outside Palace, got right back in their car and drove to Oase, which BTW, was also really crowded.
I'll continue to boycott the place, not because of the 10 Euro price hike, but because the Palace management doesn't care about good, quality service, and they don't need to because in sales the 3 most important keys to success are location, location, location and they're blessed with proximity to the Messe hordes who prefer the convenience and just don't know better. It's pure economics. Supply and demand. And since most of their customers don't care and are just looking for a quick fuck, why should they manage their business differently?

Just MHO.

MoneySign

01-13-07, 19:48

Qubei

01-13-07, 21:07

Reading a lot of negative critique about Palace so thought I have to say I have always had good experiences there, been there 5 times. Out of maybe 15 sessions I don’t have had any bad ones, of course the service level isn’t generally as high as at some of the NRW clubs, but on the other hand you will find more stunners here and if you are at least somewhat selective when you make your choice I think you will have a good time. World is good but Palace is more convenient, I also prefer the layout of Palace over World. I have only been to Oase once and had a bad experience with a girl, unfortunately the management was totally indifferent so I have never returned, but maybe I should give it another try since I see a lot of praise for the place.

Increasing the price with 10€ is of course not preferable and it could start a bad trend, but still I think when I’m in Frankfurt I don’t really know what I would prefer, drive to World or pay 10€ more at Palace, I’m actually leaning towards Palace.

Anyways, but to my original question, was at Palace a while back and had a great PSE experience with two girls, both blowing me, one riding me and one sitting on my face and finishing on both their pretty faces :) One girl is known as Frederica, although here friend called here Erica, I’m looking for the name of the other girl; they were friends and seemed to prefer to work together when a guy asked one of them to find another girl. She was a short 23 year old Czech brunette with a very pretty face. When observing here throughout the night she seemed to be kind of a processor, but I have to say my experience was mind blowing :)

Shark16

01-13-07, 22:36

pingvin,
i am glad you had a good time. the czech girl could have been lina, which has received lots of bad reports as a processor in this forum (me being one of few with good experiences with her). on my last visit (before the price raise ...) i noticed she did threesomes together with erica, a relatively new slovakian girl in palace with pretty face and enhanced chest.

erica was not without talent, but did not deliver consistantly throughout the session imho. a somewhat limited routine and she seemed a little lost when the routine was broken. but a sweet and fun girl with dfk and bbbj skills she is definetely a young [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) with potential. makes me wonder if she will develope into a great sp or just a lame processor. further reports on her appreciated (when entrance fee is reduced)! :-)

may i just add that i support the campaign to boycott palace. the price raise is ridiculous. vote with your feet and money & stay away.

James 006

01-13-07, 22:58

Hey,
You probably know the Ukrainian girl, really sexy and quite good looking. Always with a belt around her ass. She has been in Palace for at least 2 years.
I think she is sexy but I never had a good service. She has an attitude and start with bitching and negative energy. Usually she do a 15 minutes session. Just few times she stays in a room for a long (30 minutes) time. Still I like her sexy look. Someone who know this girl and can give advises?

Mr Happy Feet

01-13-07, 23:44

I spent a day at my first FKK. I have pursued the hobby all over the globe, but I must say the Germans got it right. Everything from the parking lot to the bathrooms are right on the money. The freaking towel staff is better than some U.S. hotels.

I arrived at 1pm. My first session was with a Puerto Rican or Dominican Hottie with the best roundest ass I have ever seen (Marianna). She was a bit predatory and tried to force a 200 Euro anal tongue massage on me. Of course, that lowered my enjoyment, but it was the first of three sessions. Next up was Natasha, a Ukraine blond which I will see again. We did the whole deed in the movie theater. I needed to know if I could perform in public and she enjoyed the advertising as she flipped between cowgirl, mish, and doggie.

I was really done for the day after Natasha and just waiting for the dinner meal, but I couldn’t resist trying for number 3 with Vanessa another blond, but from Russia. I explained to her that my little guy may not be able to perform, but she had no problem with that. I took her to a room and we used some standing positions, before she finally relieved me with a BBBJ/HJ combo that I will never forget.

I had one of the most erotic, exciting, comfortable, and safe experiences of my mongoring life. For all you lurkers out there, if you haven’t taken the plunge and traveled to Germany “do it now”. I thought Thailand was something (and it is), but FKK Palace is in a whole different league.

I know the price change has got many of the veterans talking. And I discussed this with several board members and fellow mongors at the club, but to me it is worth it--- between the babes, food, amenities, security, location blah, blah, blah. Most people that I talked to said the only drawback is that there is no outside garden area at Palace.

Thanks to all previous board members who responded to my PMs or posted in the forum. I appreciate the help.

MHF

Fred Olino

01-14-07, 00:46

I's great you liked your first Palace visit and i look forward to meet again so you can tell me more about your previous experiences in places outside of germany. I read some in this forum you told me your nick. While i am kind of a regular at the palace i have no clue about the shops outside of germany. I hope i can spare the time next weekend to go to the palace and meet you again for some chat about our beloved female clubbers.

PS: while i usually arive at 13:30 and head back home at 20:10 (i use pulic traffic...) if you can make it you really should really shift your time. While i have a favorite girl in the afternoon hours where i get special service and a realy friendly welcome whenever i visit some real bombshells arrive 1-2 hours after you left today. So if you can do it shift your next visit to be 2 hours later... you might find this place even more pleasing if you stay past 19:00.

Viscount

01-14-07, 00:46

I too am not happy with the price rise at the palace, as I agree it will maybe set a trend, I think they are aiming for the Messe traffic, I am due back in Germany, the week after next, but for a short time only, so I will make for Oase.

But I will visit the Palace again, as there are a Couple of babes, I cannot live without, so I will be boycotting of a sort, but the FRA three all have different qualities, I just can't wait for summer, when I can step of my aircraft at Hahn, and make straight for the Garden at Oase.

Good mongering to all

Viscount

Jdbkk555

01-14-07, 02:08

I ran into a couple of rather nice Asian ladies today at Palace. Pom from Thailand. A real looker that hangs out near the bar. Great GFE service. I almost forgot where I was. She was really intent on making sure I was a happy camper. I must have spent 2 hours with her (for 100E), great BBBJ. She kept switching from a resting position with light touching. To BBBJ. To a range of positions. After a couple of so-so experiences with Euro ladies, it was nice to get predictible great service. She said she was 22. In Germany now for only a year, from Udon Thanni. She speaks good English. I asked where she learned. She said she did a couple of tours of service in Pattaya (explaining the service).

Second was May from China. She gave me some other name initially. And I pressed her for her Chinese name. She works only weekends, doing dental assistant work during the weekday. She too hung around the bar area and was notably shy. She said she was 23yo, been in Germany for 5 years and only part time for the past 2 years.

These two Asian ladies were a breath of fresh air. I was surprised at how agressive some of the Palace ladies are. I had a really hard time shaking this older, not that great looking Colombian lady. A range of Romanians came by to press me into a servicing. I've got to find a graceful way to let the ladies know I'm not interested. If any of you guys have a suggestion on how to give a lady the "hit the road" in the FKK scene. I'd appreciate it.

I left at about 1: 00 and more and more guys kept coming. The wait for a room was running about 20 minutes from what I could tell.

JD

Adam6969

01-14-07, 03:15

I spent a day at my first FKK. I have pursued the hobby all over the globe, but I must say the Germans got it right. Everything from the parking lot to the bathrooms are right on the money. The freaking towel staff is better than some U.S. hotels.

I know the price change has got many of the veterans talking. And I discussed this with several board members and fellow mongors at the club, but to me it is worth it--- between the babes, food, amenities, security, location blah, blah, blah.

MHFI had a similar reaction to my only visit about a year ago! Nothing compares. I too observe the comments of the veterans and those able to visit frequently with wonder. Do they forget how good they have got it?

Great report,

Thanks

Adam

Dedalus

01-14-07, 11:07

I think the main reason Palace raised the entry fee is a matter of supplies and demands. That's is just a way to slightly reduce the number of people going there. We probably would do that same thing if we own the club. If I were running the club, I would raise the fee for the evening "rush hours" ONLY. Having said that, I agree with many of you that we should boycott the club and see if Palace cares about customer reaction. If we stop going there, we can see if that make a difference. However, if Oase and World do the same thing by raising their entry fee to 75Euro, then what? Does it mean we stop going to all the clubs in Frankfurt? I think NOT. I have a feeling that Oase and World will raise their prices soon too. As long as people are willing to pay, they will just keep raising the price. That's just the economic reality.

For what it's worth I spoke to someone at World on Friday who said that they would not be raising their price. The reasoning being that Palace can get away with it because they are in Frankfurt, but "we" cannot. Who knows what Mauro at Oase will do. If he thinks that he can get away with it, then he probably will.

I also had a discussion with a girl who GT last night who has been a fixture at Palace since it opened. She left Palace a few days after the price increase. This is not the only reason that she left, but she still keeps contact with some girls who are there. According to her, the Messe traffic that was expected was off by quite a bit. (The current Textile Messe is usually a big business boom for Palace.) This would contradict the earlier report about Palace busting at the seams. Also, I was at World on Friday and a large number of Messe goers were present. Word is that Oase was also full of Messe revelers.

to the cheapo tourists and travellers who have a genetic affliction called being male and can't ignore nubile naked women 5 minutes from the Messe. Big textile show at the Messe last week and Thurs. night, the line was out the door waiting in the rain to get in.
I, of course, won't go near the place, but while I was luxuriating in the arms of Ines, Laetitia, Julia, and Cristina in Oase, I met 2 guys who, once they saw the mob scene outside Palace, got right back in their car and drove to Oase, which BTW, was also really crowded.
I'll continue to boycott the place, not because of the 10 Euro price hike, but because the Palace management doesn't care about good, quality service, and they don't need to because in sales the 3 most important keys to success are location, location, location and they're blessed with proximity to the Messe hordes who prefer the convenience and just don't know better. It's pure economics. Supply and demand. And since most of their customers don't care and are just looking for a quick fuck, why should they manage their business differently?

Just MHO.

I agree. Although I find the price hike ridiculous, the main problem that I have is that Palace has dropped so low in terms of service quality (both the girls and the management) and in terms of security in the last half year. I do know how good we people over here have it, but that does not change my aversion to rewarding bad performance with more money. I do miss Inna, Maria, and Linda but the extra gas costs for me to get to World or Oase, where the line ups and service are better IMHO are worth it, and actually less than the extra 10 Euros that Palace is charging.

Spend wisely, Gents and have fun,

Dedalus

Hessen Bub

01-14-07, 11:20

Dedalus

01-14-07, 11:33

I heard that Palace was packed during the textile fair and that people were queuing down the entrance out to the stairs, and that people turned around and drove to Oase instead. Which was packed to. The only place not being affected by fairs in Frankfurt is World. It's to far away. That is why they will probably be not able to raise prices.

Hessen Bub

On Friday World was affected. There was a 2-3 hour period in the evening when it was a boy's club due to the Messe traffic. Probably not the same numbers as Oase but pretty significant.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Goodtime Man

01-14-07, 16:15

People are complaining how crowded the Palace can get, and at the same time, complaining about a 10E ($13) entry price increase. I don't get it.

For me, because of location and convenience, it is a non-issue.

Dedalus

01-15-07, 07:06

I heard that Palace was packed during the textile fair and that people were queuing down the entrance out to the stairs, and that people turned around and drove to Oase instead. Which was packed to. The only place not being affected by fairs in Frankfurt is World. It's to far away. That is why they will probably be not able to raise prices.

Hessen Bub

Word from a few Palace visitors who were there on Saturday is that the place was bursting and that the girls were trying to soak up 100 EUR for a normal session because of the long waits for a room. Why am I not surprised????

Cheers,

Dedalus

DFWdude

01-15-07, 07:59

How long is this fair going on for in Frankfurt? I am planning on being in Frankfurt on the 2/1-2/3. Just wondering how packed I can expect the place.

Hessen Bub

01-15-07, 10:34

Textile fair is over: http://www.messefrankfurt.com/corporate/en/

girls were trying to soak up 100 EUR for a normal session because of the long waits for a room.

Happens in Oase to. Understandable, if you are waiting for a room for 30 or more minutes. Alternative always is a fuck in the cinema for 50 EUR.

Hessen Bub

Dedalus

01-15-07, 11:42

Happens in Oase to. Understandable, if you are waiting for a room for 30 or more minutes. Alternative always is a fuck in the cinema for 50 EUR.

Hessen Bub

My attitude as well ;-))))

No one has ever tried to pull this on me at Oase. Palace neither, for that matter, and I was at both places during last years Textile fair. Sounds like more price gouging to me.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Iseeu

01-15-07, 16:30

Textile fair is over: http://www.messefrankfurt.com/corporate/en/

Happens in Oase to. Understandable, if you are waiting for a room for 30 or more minutes. Alternative always is a fuck in the cinema for 50 EUR.

Hessen Bub
of the messe and it certainly didn't happen to me there, even though Oase was also packed with standing room only in the public areas and the wait was substantial for a zimmer frei. I love waiting for a room in Oase- gives you lots of time to feel the merchandise, check the tonsils, and discuss world peace which is what I did with both Ines and Laetitia. But, I can see price gouging like this happening at Palace to the deperate horny hordes.

Hessen Bub

01-15-07, 19:05

MyNo one has ever tried to pull this on me at Oase. Palace neither,

Will not happen to regulars.

Hessen Bub

ProfPleasure

01-17-07, 03:00

If you extend to an hour at the Palace, does this entitle you to a second orgasim?

Hessen Bub

01-18-07, 12:51

If you extend to an hour at the Palace, does this entitle you to a second orgasim?

Yes, if you can manage within the next 30 minutes. This applies to all FKK-slubs in Hessen.

Hessen Bub

Dvorak1

01-19-07, 11:51

For any Palace regulars or those who have been there the last few days, have you spotted a petite (about 5 ft) Spanish girl? She's from Barcelona, Spain but comes from Colombia originally. She's my regular at the Palace but left a few months back and could be back. She sometimes goes by the name of Jessica or Alejandra but her real name is Andrea and her hair then was blonde (it could still be blonde). She has nice implants, shaven, and some stretch marks due to pregnancy.

You can PM me if you have any information so I can drop by and visit soon.

Thanks!

Mike

Qubei

01-19-07, 15:41

I read on Palace website that every Monday was "Straps-Party". Any info is appreciated, how does it differ from dessoustag?

James 006

01-19-07, 19:59

i rise this again.
would be nice if someone had a good time with her.
i never had!

pingvin,
i am glad you had a good time. the czech girl could have been lina, which has received lots of bad reports as a processor in this forum (me being one of few with good experiences with her). on my last visit (before the price raise ...) i noticed she did threesomes together with erica, a relatively new slovakian girl in palace with pretty face and enhanced chest.

erica was not without talent, but did not deliver consistantly throughout the session imho. a somewhat limited routine and she seemed a little lost when the routine was broken. but a sweet and fun girl with dfk and bbbj skills she is definetely a young [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) with potential. makes me wonder if she will develope into a great sp or just a lame processor. further reports on her appreciated (when entrance fee is reduced)! :-)

may i just add that i support the campaign to boycott palace. the price raise is ridiculous. vote with your feet and money & stay away.

Michelangelo

01-19-07, 20:16

Henio

01-19-07, 20:48

Hessen Bub

01-20-07, 14:14

have you spotted a petite (about 5 ft) Spanish girl? She's from Barcelona, Spain but comes from Colombia originally.

Have not seen her yesterday. But most of the latina girls are still on x-mas holiday.

You are probably talking about Sasha (dark hair, rather big ass compared to rest of her body), a shitty session by most standards, and should be avoided.

Chivaz

Correct, service is way below standard. See picture.

Hessen Bub

James 006

01-20-07, 23:04

Yes, this is the girl!
When I fucked her the first time 2 years ago, the ass was not that bigg.
I looked at my clock when she said time was up and we had been in the room for only 10 minutes. She got SO pissed when I controlled the time!
She is still a sexy ***** and I wish I could get some more feedback on this girl. She is quite bussy and do make a lot of money. How can this be possible if she only gives bad service?

You are probably talking about Sasha (dark hair, rather big ass compared to rest of her body), a shitty session by most standards, and should be avoided.

Chivaz

Dedalus

01-21-07, 00:31

Yes, this is the girl!
When I fucked her the first time 2 years ago, the ass was not that bigg.
I looked at my clock when she said time was up and we had been in the room for only 10 minutes. She got SO pissed when I controlled the time!
She is still a sexy ***** and I wish I could get some more feedback on this girl. She is quite bussy and do make a lot of money. How can this be possible if she only gives bad service?

You said it: She is sexy, but I no know who has been with her twice. My one and only session with her was ok, but not quite regular club standard. I wish that she were a better session and a friendlier girl, for she could be a treat if she wanted to be.

Cheers,

Dedalus

All For Bb

01-22-07, 01:27

Just came back from 3 days trip to the Frankfurt big 3. Thursday, Jan 18, World, Friday, Jan 19, Oase. Nothing special to report. Fuck 5 girls in each place. At this time the lineup in Oase is better than World. Facility inside Oase is improved.

Went to Palace yesterday (Saturday, Jan 20). Don’t like the 10 euro increase (but that is not the biggest problem). The worse thing for palace is the quality of girls service. Fucked 7 girls from 7 countries. I have to say that selections (line up) this time Palace is the best. But in general, majority girls do not expect to serve you for 30 minutes (while majority girls in Oase and World do). Instead, majority in Palace expect to serve only for 10-15 minutes. They are very pushy. Most of them will tell you at front if you can give them 100 euro, they will provide good service, implying if not, service will be bad.

Here is 7 girls I fucked:

1. Italian, Stephanie, bad. Fuck 20 minutes, she said it’s over 30 minutes, request 100, went to manager, manager was unfriendly to me and help her. Said I have to pay her 100, then I talked to other manager, not insist me to pay 100.

2. Spanish girl. Don’t remember her name. (Wear glasses). Bad service. Pushy at 15 minutes.

3. Czech Lana. Big tits. Also pushy.

4. Slovakia Francesca. (not right spelling), very cute, lovely pussy and tits. Nice service (my god, finally).

5. The best of day, Germany girl, Kim , 19, very beautiful, tall, big natural tits, good figure, very beautiful and young pussy to eat and fuck. Thanks to one Italian friend I met, who referred to me.

6. Russian (Moldavian) Nina, very nice service.

7. Finally fuck a Romania girl. Don’t remember name. Nice body, sweet and lovely pussy. Beautiful feet. But bad service. She wants to pay her extra 50 to lick her feet. Refused, and still had her feet and pussy licked extensively. But not very happy.

In summary, all 7 girls are from different countries. That’s amazing. All are young and very beautiful. Eat all 7 pussies (DATY), and feet. Fuck all closed to 30 minutes with struggle with 4, happily with 3 (Kim, Francesca, and Nina). I hope the management should insist and educate girls to provide good service for 30 minutes, not push (rush) for 10 to 15 minutes. If that happened, we should bring it to management. To educate management too. Totally, eat and fuck 17 pussies in 3 days in big 3. Had a sweet dream about these 17 wet young pussies in my mouth while fly back to USA. What a life! Wish I can work and live in Germany for these pussies.

Finally, my new friend from Italy, talking to you is enjoyable, please pm me if you see this report. A correction: I check the record; I have totally fucked 1421 pussies till yesterday in my life, (not 1500 pussies yet as I told you). Best wishes for your international young pussy hunting!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Michelangelo

01-22-07, 06:55

Iseeu

01-22-07, 09:28

Went to Palace yesterday (Saturday, Jan 20). Don’t like the 10 euro increase (but that is not the biggest problem). The worse thing for palace is the quality of girls service. Fucked 7 girls from 7 countries. I have to say that selections (line up) this time Palace is the best. But in general, majority girls do not expect to serve you for 30 minutes (while majority girls in Oase and World do). Instead, majority in Palace expect to serve only for 10-15 minutes. They are very pushy. Most of them will tell you at front if you can give them 100 euro, they will provide good service, implying if not, service will be bad..
Hmmm let's see if this is a good business:
* Raise basic entry price to be highest in market
* Let staff establish lowest service level in market; 50 Euro for 10-15 minutes
* Let staff be pushy and rude to your customers
* Let staff gouge prices to unsuspecting customers to provide basic product for double the price.
* Hordes of horny mongers, with tongues hanging out, visible wood,standing in the rain and begging to be let in.

Sounds profitable - I wouldn't expect Palace management to do anything about it...

The blacklist continues:

1. Italian, Stephanie, bad. Fuck 20 minutes, she said it’s over 30 minutes, request 100, went to manager, manager was unfriendly to me and help her. Said I have to pay her 100, then I talked to other manager, not insist me to pay 100.

2. Spanish girl. Don’t remember her name. (Wear glasses). Bad service. Pushy at 15 minutes.

3. Czech Lana. Big tits. Also pushy.

7. Finally fuck a Romania girl. Don’t remember name. Nice body, sweet and lovely pussy. Beautiful feet. But bad service. She wants to pay her extra 50 to lick her feet. Refused, and still had her feet and pussy licked extensively. But not very happy.

That's a new one for the price list - 50 euro to suck toes!

Fuck all closed to 30 minutes with struggle with 4, happily with 3 (Kim, Francesca, and Nina). I hope the management should insist and educate girls to provide good service for 30 minutes, not push (rush) for 10 to 15 minutes. If that happened, we should bring it to management. To educate management too.
The only thing that would educate their greedy management is if their income would be affected for the worse because customers refuse to bring them their business. But they have the best location in the business and the hordes of horny mongers will continue to beat a path to Palace's door.

The Palace management have learned the most basic and oldest law of economics and exploited it to the extreme: "A fool (with dick in hand) and his money are easily parted."

Ortos

01-22-07, 15:45

Sorry to be on the other side of the aisle here, but I have been to Palace several times during this past (non-Messe) week. I have had some of the best sessions of my entire FKK career there and, imho, the line-up at Palace these days is super! I've been going to all the 3 big clubs in FFM area (plus GT up in NRW area) and the line-up at Palace is the best, for me at least. Not to say GT or Oase or World are bad, just that Palace shines out a bit brighter with greater depth, more stunners, and some really, really superb lookers and perfomers...

Now, yes, this club has some problems, some negatives (so do all clubs if you look carefully) and nobody is thrilled with the 10E increase. But I swallowed this and have been consistently satisfied by the selection AND the session performance on almost all occassions. I think there are indeed alot of girls at Palace who are sharks, that is, they sense newbie weakness or some signs of being able to take advantage of certain guests and they go for the blood.

But if you are experienced enough and confindent in your interaction and know how to handle the situations on the couch or in the kino, then you will do okay here, really. There are some incredible finds at Palace. I think it is fun and popular to bash this place, but, I seldom if ever need the intervention of the management to sort out any disagreements that might occur. I don't mean to sound arrogant or anything, but if you are experienced enough at "reading" the girls' personalities and performance attributes (or lack thereof) BEFORE you cross the threshold of the room, then you will not be in the position to be ripped off. I've become pretty good --although not immune to occassional mistakes-- at weeding out the bad apples, even from just a glance, and to zeroing in on those GFE gems, so I have NOT had the problems at Palace that some others have had.

A few changes there: They moved the small cubby-hole pay lockers to the wall opposite the small curved bar as you enter. Where the pay lockers used to be, adjacent to the Men's bathroom, there are now racks with towels.

A very positive improvement: A whole new wing of rooms has been opened! I think more than one dozen brand new sex rooms with large circular beds and mirrors! Amusing that not all the girls know about this, because you see them waiting with their clients on the three couches in front of the old rooms, whilst there are many of the new rooms, located down a new hallway to the left as you face the bank of "old" rooms, standing open and available. This means that during busy nights, there will be less waiting at Palace. Indeed, I have never waited for a room at Palace this week, even on a busy Sat night!, whilst at Oase and esp at GT one had to wait sometimes.

A few specific girl sightings or notice of absences at Palace:

Well I did see the reknowned so-called "Eva not from Danemark" with her charateristic fishnet body suit last Sunday...Then she disappeared. I have seen neither hide nor hair of: Vicky, Maria of Bulgaria, Dinara, Charlie and some other well-known Palace girls of late. They are just gone.

However, often there are:

Cz Lina -- Too be avoided. There has been so much discussion about this genearlly pushy girl on this thread, how could anyone who reads here make the mistake to go with her and not realize what to expect?

Cz Linda-- With huge natural tits and a new looK: She lost weight and dyed hair blond. She looks good and still performs nicely, esp the long, slow bbbj!

Katerina and Julia of Russia -- both ex-Oase and have been at Palace for a while.

Afternoons: Anastasia (Latvia), Natasha (Ukraine), Vannessa (Russia)

A few times I observed the petite Thai girl... forgot the name.

Romanians: Not so many this time, but there are a few that have been around: Clara, tall Allyssa, big-titted Christina, Daniella and Bianca. Almost there every night!

But the true attraction for me at Palace is this influx of really stunning and top performing girls from Dusseldorf and Koln who come down for a few days. There are lots of girls I had never seen before and I like the new material on a day to day basis. Some of them have worked at GT and other clubs. I had three long, long completely GFE satisfying sessions with this fantastic gorgeous Turkish-German girl, who said she worked at GT, but is now at Palace for the winter. This girl completely blew my mind. Also a stunning German (?) girl who hangs in the kino and gave me all sorts of free couch action dfk and bbbj before entering the room for an hour.

Really, experienced mongers with decent selection skills will have a field day at Palace. I think all this talk about the one incident during the biggest most hectic Messe of the year, where men were lining up in the rain to get in, is somewhat distorting the overall demeanor of this club. During non-Messe weeks the club is highly recommended! Don't be too mislead by some of this Palace-bashing. Don't miss out on this top line-up at the moment.

Just my opinion from spending a few days there this past week.

Ortos

Dvorak1

01-22-07, 18:54

I read that there is a girl named Andrea (claiming to be from Colombia) active in Palace these days. Brown hair & petite, that is all that was mentioned. I will be there this Saturday; will try to spot her!Thanks Michelangelo and to everyone else who was keeping an eye out for this girl. She's petite so she may be hard to find ;-) She has a Venezuelan friend named Vicky (dark complexion and taller - about 5'5") who might be able to tell you where Andrea / Jessica / Alejandra is / was.

Mike

Beffen1

01-22-07, 22:38

Sorry to be on the other side of the aisle here,
Ortos

Thanks Ortos, for providing some much needed comprehensive intelligence on Palace. The new rooms are definately cool. Vicki gone is not so cool. Good to know I may still have a place to hang out on a Sunday night when I need to go the airport on Monday. No more news of stolen or pilfered cash lockers? I read that they will improve these soon.

beffen

Hessen Bub

01-23-07, 09:17

I have seen neither hide nor hair of: Vicky, ... They are just gone.

Vicky is not gone, she will be back. She just having some days off. And the other girls: Most girls extend their x-mas-holidays, so the full line-up will be available end of January.

Hessen Bub

Ortos

01-23-07, 21:18

Hessen Bub,

You are right on target! I just left Palace on a short break. Before I left, I saw Vicky at Palace. She has that really sleazy punk look, sports those thigh high black boots and when she smiles at you as she walks by, your loins get that tingling feeling...you know.

Palace has a really good line-up tonight, for the start of another Messe...time to get out of town for a while!

Oh Beffen; One of your most memorable Palace girls is still in the business: The famous Angelika (ex-Atlantis) is there tonight! Amazing that she still shows up to work now and then, despite not being in the same league as most other girls there looks-wise. But I bet she gets more sessions than some other younger, better looking girls. Wonder what her secret is...???

Shark16

01-23-07, 23:12

Oh Beffen; One of your most memorable Palace girls is still in the business: The famous Angelika (ex-Atlantis) is there tonight! Amazing that she still shows up to work now and then, despite not being in the same league as most other girls there looks-wise. But I bet she gets more sessions than some other younger, better looking girls. Wonder what her secret is...???

Excellent service. It's that simple.

J Long

01-23-07, 23:57

I couldn't copy all the quotes that I agree with. Spent week 1/13 to 1/19 at big 3 will post detailed reports soon (I hope) but at Palace I thought he girl selection was the best of all, but the service in general terrible.

1. Diana, Spain, great body but terrible service, it was like wrestling with someone to get her to change position. During mediocre BBBJ she wouldn't do it in any position except her back to me. Just terrible.

2. Stephanie, Panama, very friendly but during the BBBJ she first rubbed a disinfectant on my dick (that was ok I am all for good hygenie, ) would stop every two minutes and spit into a tissue and wipe her tongue. Before you all think I stink down there it is not true I srub with soap and water and sat in "hot tub" for 10 minutes, showerd 3 times etc. Expensive cologne etc. I want to be as clean and smell as good as I can for the girls. Anyway lousy serivce from her. She knew it especially after I avoided her during other visits.

3. There was one that was a great session. Jessica from Brazil. Both GFE and PSE. Cute face with pouting lips and nice enhanced chest. Great bbbbj and while I was fucking her she says "I want you to come on my face". Now facials are usually discouraged or they put their hand up to block everything as you cum but she didn't duck any shot. I am no Peter North but I ejaculate a lot and she just laid there smilling. Had second session with her even better. Gave me her phone number. Said she was going to be traveling and I could catch her in other country. Definite repeat. Enough for me now.

JL

Beffen1

01-24-07, 00:38

Originally Posted by Ortos
Oh Beffen; One of your most memorable Palace girls is still in the business: The famous Angelika (ex-Atlantis) is there tonight! Amazing that she still shows up to work now and then, despite not being in the same league as most other girls there looks-wise. But I bet she gets more sessions than some other younger, better looking girls. Wonder what her secret is...???

If I remember correctly, it's her sarcastic Russian psychobabble "You look Bin laden" , as well as really sloppy wet slurpy deep throat blow jobs and fake moaning that doesn't sound fake as she grinds and pounds you in cowgirl.

Ortos- you heading to NRW away from the Messeness?

beffen

Ortos

01-24-07, 15:42

Last night was the first night of another large Messe. There were tons of girls at Palace awaiting the rush of mad monger crowds...a rush that never materiealised! Palace was crowded with lots of sexy babes, but distinctly underpopulated with men! So a real buyers' market. And the girls were all shocked and complaining: "I have only been to the room once all night!" or "I have not been into the room at all!!" So it was a great night to take your time and look around and play hard to get and let them kiss and stroke you a while in the kino before you eventually give in to the course of nature...

In addition to Vicky and Angelika, it was nice to see the lovely Inna (Bulgaria) at Palace last night. And I should mention that on previous visits in the recent past at Palace I have seen such long lost "stargirls" as Natalie of Belarus (looking very nice without her thick layer of make-up and she lost some weight too...) plus, about month or so ago, the elusive Mascha, the petite-ish dark-haired Russian vixen who used to be at Oase a couple of years ago but makes only occassional forays into the fkk scene now and then.

Beffen: The hotel prices in Frankfurt are disgusting now so I was about to go to the airport and leave, but just before, I found a nice deal for one night in Bad Vibel, about 15 minutes outside Frankfurt. So I will stay one more night and then split tomorrow... I think it must be Palace again, as I looked into World on Monday and was very unimpressed by the meagre turn-out at World that day. Really almost nothing to spark interest in the impovershed line-up of less than 30 girls... Not like this place normally is...

Ortos

Redvike

01-24-07, 18:31

I visited Palace in late December, and I also had an enjoyable session with Ina/Inna from Bulgaria. She's tall, slim, with nice bolt-ons and nipples. Black hair color (colored? ) and she was quite game for my 50e fee. Maybe late 20s, she said 25, and in excellent shape.

She has one of those flat and fat free stomachs that are a real pleasure to touch. Reminds me of an old girlfriend.

She enjoyed a bit of daty in one of the bigger bedrooms, and didn't mind a bit of double finger penetration (both holes) while I was at it. Indeed, she asked if I wanted anal, but I was running low on cash. She had quite a beautiful pussy, sort of the sleek and aerodynamic kind.

She then gave a nice blow job with ball licking, followed by some pleasant mostly missionary sex with deep kissing. Nice clean mouth, she said she brought mouth wash, because the club did not provide it. This is something he management should seriously consider.

No rushing to speak of, and a nice obligatory goodbye kiss at the cash lockers.

I also tried Kristen from the Domincan Republic. She is also slim and elegant, but shorter. We went to one of the small bedrooms in the Ali-Baba section and had a decent time, but that was my first shot so I didn't last quite as long.

Vompat

01-29-07, 12:50

In the morning when I first got to Frankfurt I visited RDL before I went and worked for couple of hours, other session OK, other one rip off.

But then I visited Palace first time, it was a first day of an exhibition, so expected it to be very crowded but it wasnt. I did not count the people but anyway there was much more girls than guys.

I had a first session with a lovely 28 year old german girl from Dusseldorf, I forgot the name but to me the name sounded more Russian than German. She was very good, wonderful body with small tits, the face also nice but not goergoeus like the body. Great blowjob and 69, only thing that disturbed be was the lubricant when we started fuckin.

Second session I had with 28 year old Miryam from somewere south america or Spain and she was fantastic. Lovely big tits and the body amazing and the face was lovely too. That was best paid sex I ever had.

Then I left and in the evening I anyway wanted to have a little more so I went back to RDL, to Elbenstraat 55 on floor 4, were I found this Brazilian girl which was very good, even repeted with her the next morning before I have to leave.

Wov, I really love Germany, cant wait to get back there!

Goodtime Man

01-30-07, 13:49

First visit to Palace this past weekend, first vivit to any FKK club. Lots of useful infirmation from this site. Stayed at the Fleming's Hotel right next door... nothing could beat that for convenience, especially with the ability to leave and re-enter the club later (for dessert!).

First, the facility... the 10E price rise is immaterial IMO, given the absolute convenience of the location, an easy reach by trolley (U6 or U7 lines), taxi or private car as well as being within an easy walk of 2 decent hotels, the aforementioned Fleming's and the Ibis. The place itself is surprising pleasant, clean and large... lots of "nooks and crannies" to explore, lots of comforatble places to sit and gaze. Showers all over the place, no shortage of towels.

Saturday afternoon was quiet in terms of guys and girls, but still no shortage of beautiful talent. By 4 or 5 PM, the place starting hopping, both clients and girls, but still never too crowded. Sunday late afternoon and early evening was much quieter than Sat evening.

The girls: I was very impressed. At least 75-80 % I would term beautiful. I had 5 sessions over the 2 days, all of which were excellent. As for names, there is Diana, a perfect 10 body with a pretty face. She is from Spain, but originated in Medellin, Columbia. Incredible body. Did I say that already?

Then a Penelope Cruz look-alike named Alida (?) from Rumania. Actually repeated sessions with her. Speaks excellent English.

All in all, the Palace is an excellent place, and those of you with less than an intercontinental flight to get there are lucky guys!

Amsterdam Man

01-30-07, 15:59

DeepVoid

01-30-07, 21:37

Ortos
Thanks for the great report Ortos. This keeps me excited between trips.

The cute Thi girl is named Pun. I went with her her first day at Palace which was fun cause she was so sweet and a bit shy. It was a great GFE. I went with her again 2 weeks ago as my last dip of the day. She was not shy anymore but she gives a slow BBBJ and loves DATY.

I am also glad to see Anastasia mentioned. She isnt the best looker of the bunch but she more than makes up for it with her service. She LOVES DATY and has had mutliple orgasms in previous sessions.

The other unmentioned find there is Crystal from Dominica. She can kiss for hours and loves sex like a GF. I usually dont go for the black girls but she does have the softest skin I have ever felt.

Sorry to be on the other side of the aisle here, but I have been to Palace several times during this past (non-Messe) week. I have had some of the best sessions of my entire FKK career there and, imho, the line-up at Palace these days is super! I've been going to all the 3 big clubs in FFM area (plus GT up in NRW area) and the line-up at Palace is the best, for me at least. Not to say GT or Oase or World are bad, just that Palace shines out a bit brighter with greater depth, more stunners, and some really, really superb lookers and perfomers...

Now, yes, this club has some problems, some negatives (so do all clubs if you look carefully) and nobody is thrilled with the 10E increase. But I swallowed this and have been consistently satisfied by the selection AND the session performance on almost all occassions. I think there are indeed alot of girls at Palace who are sharks, that is, they sense newbie weakness or some signs of being able to take advantage of certain guests and they go for the blood.

But if you are experienced enough and confindent in your interaction and know how to handle the situations on the couch or in the kino, then you will do okay here, really. There are some incredible finds at Palace. I think it is fun and popular to bash this place, but, I seldom if ever need the intervention of the management to sort out any disagreements that might occur. I don't mean to sound arrogant or anything, but if you are experienced enough at "reading" the girls' personalities and performance attributes (or lack thereof) BEFORE you cross the threshold of the room, then you will not be in the position to be ripped off. I've become pretty good --although not immune to occassional mistakes-- at weeding out the bad apples, even from just a glance, and to zeroing in on those GFE gems, so I have NOT had the problems at Palace that some others have had.

A few changes there: They moved the small cubby-hole pay lockers to the wall opposite the small curved bar as you enter. Where the pay lockers used to be, adjacent to the Men's bathroom, there are now racks with towels.

A very positive improvement: A whole new wing of rooms has been opened! I think more than one dozen brand new sex rooms with large circular beds and mirrors! Amusing that not all the girls know about this, because you see them waiting with their clients on the three couches in front of the old rooms, whilst there are many of the new rooms, located down a new hallway to the left as you face the bank of "old" rooms, standing open and available. This means that during busy nights, there will be less waiting at Palace. Indeed, I have never waited for a room at Palace this week, even on a busy Sat night!, whilst at Oase and esp at GT one had to wait sometimes.

A few specific girl sightings or notice of absences at Palace:

Well I did see the reknowned so-called "Eva not from Danemark" with her charateristic fishnet body suit last Sunday...Then she disappeared. I have seen neither hide nor hair of: Vicky, Maria of Bulgaria, Dinara, Charlie and some other well-known Palace girls of late. They are just gone.

However, often there are:

Cz Lina -- Too be avoided. There has been so much discussion about this genearlly pushy girl on this thread, how could anyone who reads here make the mistake to go with her and not realize what to expect?

Cz Linda-- With huge natural tits and a new looK: She lost weight and dyed hair blond. She looks good and still performs nicely, esp the long, slow bbbj!

Katerina and Julia of Russia -- both ex-Oase and have been at Palace for a while.

Afternoons: Anastasia (Latvia), Natasha (Ukraine), Vannessa (Russia)

A few times I observed the petite Thai girl... forgot the name.

Romanians: Not so many this time, but there are a few that have been around: Clara, tall Allyssa, big-titted Christina, Daniella and Bianca. Almost there every night!

But the true attraction for me at Palace is this influx of really stunning and top performing girls from Dusseldorf and Koln who come down for a few days. There are lots of girls I had never seen before and I like the new material on a day to day basis. Some of them have worked at GT and other clubs. I had three long, long completely GFE satisfying sessions with this fantastic gorgeous Turkish-German girl, who said she worked at GT, but is now at Palace for the winter. This girl completely blew my mind. Also a stunning German (?) girl who hangs in the kino and gave me all sorts of free couch action dfk and bbbj before entering the room for an hour.

Really, experienced mongers with decent selection skills will have a field day at Palace. I think all this talk about the one incident during the biggest most hectic Messe of the year, where men were lining up in the rain to get in, is somewhat distorting the overall demeanor of this club. During non-Messe weeks the club is highly recommended! Don't be too mislead by some of this Palace-bashing. Don't miss out on this top line-up at the moment.

Just my opinion from spending a few days there this past week.

Ortos

Vompat

02-01-07, 12:27

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vompat
In the morning when I first got to Frankfurt I visited RDL before I went and worked for couple of hours, other session OK, other one rip off.

But then I visited Palace first time, it was a first day of an exhibition, so expected it to be very crowded but it wasnt. I did not count the people but anyway there was much more girls than guys.

I had a first session with a lovely 28 year old german girl from Dusseldorf, I forgot the name but to me the name sounded more Russian than German. She was very good, wonderful body with small tits, the face also nice but not goergoeus like the body. Great blowjob and 69, only thing that disturbed be was the lubricant when we started fuckin.

Second session I had with 28 year old Miryam from somewere south america or Spain and she was fantastic. Lovely big tits and the body amazing and the face was lovely too. That was best paid sex I ever had.

Then I left and in the evening I anyway wanted to have a little more so I went back to RDL, to Elbenstraat 55 on floor 4, were I found this Brazilian girl which was very good, even repeted with her the next morning before I have to leave.

Wov, I really love Germany, cant wait to get back there!

I really love the scene in Germany as well. I will be making my first trip to the Palace in April. Is there a good time of day to visit? I love to wander around the Frankfurt RLD as well.

I only been there once, but 17 00 hours was perfect that time.

BlueScott

02-04-07, 01:27

Thank you to all who have contributed to this thread. The information I got here made my first experience there absolutely wonderful. It is time for me to give back to those who will follow after me. I’ll start with navigation for beginners.

From the Frankfurt area The FKK Palace is extremely easy to get to via public transportation. Take the U6 or U7 you-bahn to the Industriehof / Neue Börse stop. You can change from other lines to the U6 or U7 at Hauptwache station. Wait until the train leaves, then cross over to the other side of the tracks, and cross the street. You will have a tall stone fence in front of you. To your right about half a block is a break in the wall with a pedestrian passage. This sidewalk leads to Konigsberger Strasse. Once you go through the wall you should see a sign ahead with gold lettering on brown that says "The Palace". Walk a block and a half ahead and you’ll see a second sign that points you to the entry off the parking lot on the far side of the building.

If you are planning to ride the trains back note the time of the last train to your destination. The last U6/U7 train is at 0144hrs, but if you have to transfer the last train from Hauptwache to downtown HBF leaves at 2340hrs or 2343hrs.

If you need to stay later there are a line of cabs waiting to take you home, but if you are like me you probably spent your whole allowance on the women inside.

A Tageskarte, a rail pass good for a whole day is 5, 50Euro. A good deal if you plan to make several trips in one day. A one way ticket from the HBF to the airport can cost about 3, 30Euro so you come out ahead pretty quickly.

BlueScott

02-04-07, 02:08

Thank you to all who have contributed to this thread. The information I got here made my first experience there absolutely wonderful. It is time for me to give back to those who will follow after me.

For those who have not been to an FKK before it is much more plush than your imagination has led you to believe. Imagine being a King for a day. I went on a Wednesday afternoon around 3pm. When I got there the women outnumbered the med easily 3 to 1. It was “Dessouse” day, meaning that most were wearing some form of lingerie (or not). The woman at the door was friendly and helpful. She gave a quick description of how the club runs and gave me my lockers. 74Euro Entry

Based on prior posts I knew that I should slow down and watch the action first. It was clearly a buyer’s market on this day. If I so much as made eye contact and smiled I got an offer to go to a room. The members who suggested that you watch the pre-room behavior for an indicator of service were 100% right on. Some women were all business and you knew that is how they would perform as well. Some were warm and affectionate as they approached, and that is a good start.

I toured the facilities and then an extremely hot woman caught my eye. She specifically asked that I not use her name on the internet so I will honor her request. She said that someone posted her name before and men in her hometown found it and gave her hell when she went home. She also pointed out that it creates unreasonable expectations since she is different with men that she likes than she is from other men.

Anyway, if you go you will likely be able to pick her out. She is short, the true definition of a spinner, great legs and butt. She not only was an absolute knock out, but she was all over the room, flirting and having a good time. I decided that she would be a great place to start since she was actually having a good time. We hit it off personally and had a glorious session. She had passionate kisses, and climbed all over me. I’m big at 6-02 and she must have been around 5-00. She climbed on me like a piece of playground equipment and rubbed everywhere. She licked and kissed everywhere she could reach. After getting me good and warmed up she went down for a BBBJ. Her skills were outstanding. I wanted to stay there forever, but absolutely had to experience more than just her mouth. She slipped on a cover and climbed up on top of me and rode cowgirl. I got close and changed to make it last longer. She spun around for reverse cowgirl, then doggy style. I simply couldn’t hold out any longer and popped with that great view.

She remained warm like a girlfriend for cuddling and stroking afterward and was in no hurry to get to the locker to collect her 50Euro. As a nice touch she continued to flirt, wink, and touch me as we passed each other for the rest of the night.

After enjoying the Sauna, Hot Tub, and couches for a while I tried another session with Stephanie from Italy. She is probably about 5-06, with straight shoulder length brown hair. She’s very thin but is high energy. I asked her what her best skill was and she said her mouth. She demonstrated her oral skills with a BBBJ in the Kino for a while. I have to agree that she was extremely talented with her mouth. She asked me if I wanted to finish in the Kino or get a room. I opted for a room. She was not as more businesslike but did incredible things with her mouth. She offered several up sells, but I stuck with the basic kissing, BBBJ, and covered sex. Stephanie made too many fake noises for my taste, and I had to slow her down since she set too fast a pace but she was an overall enjoyable experience. 50Euro

As the night continued on the numbers of women skyrocketed. Nude and semi-nude women were lounging on every available piece of furniture. The women repeatedly told me that it was unusual to have this many women with so few men. I wasn’t complaining but it did make for more competition and high pressure sales. You have to be pretty firm with a “no not right now”

After resting up sufficiently I had my third and final room session with Linda, a hot younger girl from Columbia. She has straight black hair, enhanced C-cup breasts and a round full butt. Her kisses were big open mouthed and passionate. She moved on to playful nibbling. She also had outstanding oral skills and took the BBBJ to some extremely stimulating levels. She then climbed on top and rode hard. She demonstrated some acrobatic skills going from cowgirl to reverse cowgirl and back with me inside her the whole time and barely missing a beat. 50 Euro

This was an awesome first visit. I have to give a great deal of thanks to the others who have posted here before giving me the insights to navigate this heavenly place with three of three positive sessions. I do have to admit that speaking some German was extremely helpful. My German is by no means perfect but it got me through several conversations and cuddling sessions with women that didn’t speak English.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Ortos

02-04-07, 11:26

BlueScott,

Thanks for a very good report about Palace. Just a small tip, if you wish:

You mention that the first girl asked you NOT to mention name, etc. on Internet, etc... In fact, during future visits to FKKs you may want to adapt the following policy: Never make any mention of the Internet whatsoever. If a girl asks how you found out about the club, just say: "Oh, a friend told me about it," or "I saw and advert," or "This place is so well-known..." Do NOT say: "Oh, I read about it on the Internet and I intend to post a report, etc."

It seems to be often the case (but not always!) that when FKK girls hear "Internet" lots of red flags go up in their eyes. I mean, for some reason, it tends to be more of a negative thing than a positive thing in their eyes. So if you avoid any mention of Internet, you will never be in a conversation like: "Please don't mention my name, or anything about me or our sex together...etc." Just a suggestion, but of course each man can decide for himself how to handle this...

I should say that one very prominent (somewhat exhibitionist) girl at Palace once begged me to post about her on the Internet, so the opposite is certainly possible...

By the way, you mention that the first girl was so friendly to you during the rest of the night. You might one day try repeating with a girl if she is really good and GFE-like. Sometimes the second visit exceeds the first session, as hard as that is to believe...

Also: Bear in mind that you can always get leave the club and re-enter at no additional charge later in the day/night. So if you go there in the afternoon, you can have a session or two, leave the club and go have a rest at your hotel, then come back a few hours later and continue FKKing... This is one of the aspects of Palace that makes it particularly attractive: It is so close to central Frankfurt (where my hotel usually is) that I can come and go as I wish and often experience the best of the day shift and the best of the night shift all for the one 75E entry fee... Yes it used to be 65E, but they raised it a month or so ago... But the added benefits of the location, make the 10E increase slightly less bitter...

Next time try Oase too...You will like this club as well...a bit different vibe there for sure...

Ortos

Dvorak1

02-05-07, 13:46

Could Diana (GoodTime Man post), Miryam (Vompat post), and the girl BlueScott described below be the same girl? If so, I'd like to know more information so I can spot her the next time I'm in Frankfurt (no need to give her name if she doesn't want to have it posted -- or BlueScott can send me a Private Message to help me out).

Color of hair? What she usually wears (what she wore on dessouse night?)? Speaks english? Which girls she hangs out with?

She sounds a lot like Jessica, a girl from Spain/Colombia, used to have blonde hair, short (5'), enhanced breasts, some stretch marks on stomach from kids, and hangs out with another Latin girl.

You can PM me if you prefer.

Thanks!

Mike

She specifically asked that I not use her name on the internet so I will honor her request. She said that someone posted her name before and men in her hometown found it and gave her hell when she went home. She also pointed out that it creates unreasonable expectations since she is different with men that she likes than she is from other men.

Anyway, if you go you will likely be able to pick her out. She is short, the true definition of a spinner, great legs and butt. She not only was an absolute knock out, but she was all over the room, flirting and having a good time. I decided that she would be a great place to start since she was actually having a good time. We hit it off personally and had a glorious session. She had passionate kisses, and climbed all over me. I’m big at 6-02 and she must have been around 5-00. She climbed on me like a piece of playground equipment and rubbed everywhere. She licked and kissed everywhere she could reach. After getting me good and warmed up she went down for a BBBJ. Her skills were outstanding. I wanted to stay there forever, but absolutely had to experience more than just her mouth. She slipped on a cover and climbed up on top of me and rode cowgirl. I got close and changed to make it last longer. She spun around for reverse cowgirl, then doggy style. I simply couldn’t hold out any longer and popped with that great view.

She remained warm like a girlfriend for cuddling and stroking afterward and was in no hurry to get to the locker to collect her 50Euro. As a nice touch she continued to flirt, wink, and touch me as we passed each other for the rest of the night.

Goodtime Man

02-06-07, 19:32

Valmont

02-07-07, 18:00

Ortos

02-07-07, 22:22

Hey guys, not sure if you remember me or not, but I used to post a LOT about Palace and World, and the K-town area back in 2003-2005. Anyway, I was wondering if there is still a girl at Palace named Katrina (?). She is rather tall, long dark hair, pale skin, and enormous breasts. VERY good service in the room, and very nice out of it.

Any help? Please tell me you guys are still enjoying her.

V

V,

About two weeks ago, I was in Palace on several consecutive nights. I met alot --but by no stretch of the imagination ALL-- of the girls. I do NOT remember any girl with that name matching your description. There is, of course, a Romanian named Christina who DOES match that description... Did you mix up the name pechance...

Ortos

Valmont

02-08-07, 14:20

Ortos, probably did. Yep, that's her... so she's still there?

V

Member #2363

02-08-07, 16:31

I saw in the palace website that every monday they have a straps party -
"STRAPS-PARTY....DESSOUS-PARTY ....jeden Montag STRAPS-PARTY ....jeden Mittwoch DESSOUS-PARTY ....die sexy Ladies im THE PALACE in....in heissen Strapsen, erotischen DESSOUS....und heissen Fummeln ....Sie betצren Dich....Sie verfhren Dich"

Does any one experienced this? and description on what does it mean?

Thanks

Ortos

02-08-07, 18:23

Ortos, probably did. Yep, that's her... so she's still there?

V

Yes, V, Christina was there more or less every night I visited. She is a night shift worker, coming in about 19.00. Always has a smile on her face and a long following of satisfied customers... If you go in the next few weeks you will more than likely see her there...

Ortos

Gbg25se

02-08-07, 19:15

Hello,

Which of the "big three" in Frankfurt is the best regarding to watch or participate in public action?

Thanks from a new fkk-fan.

P

Blondofil

02-08-07, 23:24

Yes, Christina is a very good and unforgetable session.

Beffen1

02-08-07, 23:50

Oase's kino is almost always hopping. The kino at Palace can be good as well and the TV Raum, sometime called the VIP Raum, at Palace, is good too when there is a shortage of rooms. World seems to have very little couch action and the kino is usually quiet except during Party times or rocking nights.
Bernd's schieferhof is an intimate little club that has lot's of public action. Closed weekends.

beffen

Ortos

02-09-07, 00:05

One must agree with Beffen: Oase and Palace have a huge edge over World...thus as far as the so-called "big 3" are concerned. Again: Bernd's outside Bonn is probably the very best vis actione publique goes...

Back in FFM: Oase has rennovated their kino somewhat making it more voyeur-friendly: They tiled all the walls with mirrors making it very possible to observe the activity going on in the couch in front of you...so to speak. Palace's kino can rock as well. Both are good inter-session resting areas to get your juices flowing for the next round. Often you can get gratis couch action for a minute or so just hanging inside either the Palace or Oase kinos...I mean: you get groped/fondled down below by several girls without having to committ to a session. This can be very fun and helpful in selecting a session partner for the next round...

Ortos

Viscount

02-09-07, 01:18

Yes, Christina is a very good and unforgetable session.I have had her,but she said she was Greek/Rumanian,very nice body,amazing service,and big tits.

Dedalus

02-09-07, 02:02

I would agree with all of the comments below, but I will also add that the last 3 visits that I made to World saw some serious, thigh-slappin', double-decker, bump and grind, public sex down in the Relax zone. A few weekends ago it was Ruby doing a good show. Before that Karina displayed her ample talents. I also saw Adrienne make a guy pretty happy back in January.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Ekliges Lauern

02-09-07, 19:16

The layout of the Kino at Palace keeps me coming back.

I'm a Kino BJ guy myself, so I like getting the spot highest up furthest from the door. You can observe all the action in the room, have a great view of the screen and girls coming through the door.

One of the girls noticed I kept grabbing that spot and observed I like being "Ganz Oben". I'm not really a voyeur so much as I like making an informed selection and in the Kino it is easy to see how the girls interact, perform, etc. Plus, since I'm a Kino BJ guy, being Kino sex friendly is a big plus for me. However, do forget there are some real gems at Palace as well that aren't Kino friendly so its good to mix time in the Kino with time in the common room.

I haven't been to Oases since the renovation, but my complaint was it was difficult to observe for future decision purposes. And the girls seemed less accepting at Oases of men just hanging in between sessions in the Kino.

Round

02-10-07, 15:27

I am flying form the far east to Spain and will be changing flights in Frankfurt. How far is the closest club to the airport? Is it feasible to arrive in the morning jet over to the club and then flight out again in the evening?

Is it easy to get to from the airport?

You guys have really wetted my apetite and need to go there so please let me know!

Thanks in advance

Chicafan

02-10-07, 18:28

I would like to ask a few questions. As these trips are expensive I want to make the most out of my time- right clubs, right nights; and, I'm not experienced enough to know. I'll ask these questions realizing that everyone has different opinions and taste but your feedback is still appreciated.

I did my first trip to FKKs in December and loved them. I must admit I did not enjoy hanging out at World but loved Goldentime and Palace. There were undoubtedly pretty girls at World I just did not enjoy the environment and the food was very poor. One thing I noticed for sure in GT were the incredible numbers of guys. On Saturday night it was hard to even find a seat. Being used to Rio termas I thought I was in for trouble but it turns out since the women are all business they remain pretty available. There was a Polish girl at GT that blew my drawers off. I would love to see here there again or go to a club she's working at now but I can't even remember her name. I thought Palace was awesome in all ways(food, atmosphere, talent, except for the smoke being so thick.

I am returning in a couple of weeks and I'm thinking about doing a retrace going to GT(great sessions), one other(was thinking the Living Room), and back to Frankfurt for three nights.

I'm trying to plan my schedule to be in the best places on the good nights.

So here are my questions:

1) In your opinions, does it get much better talent-wise than GT and Palace? If not, I'll probably be happy at those places again.

2) Palace- Is Sunday an off night at Palace? It sounds like weekday nights at Palace have a lot of girls available, which is good. I was there on a Thursday night. Do Friday and Saturdays tend to be crowded with guys? I am thinking I would be there on a weekend and if those tended to be bad nights I'll readjust my schedule.

3) Do you have any recommendations about other clubs in Frankfurt?

4) Frankfurt hotels- I stayed by the main train station(Hotel Excelsior) and took a cab to Palace. It's not a particularly interesting area(seedy?) and the hotel was not great(55E). Since I will be there three nights this time I might want to explore more and that area gives me access. That hotel near Palace sounds great and I would love to have access in and out of the club all day but that seems to put me out in that industrial area. It would be nice to be somewhat near the club but also stay in an area that's a little nicer, and has more of what Frankfurt offers as a city, whatever that may be.

5) How do you make sure a girl agrees to 30 full minutes of service? I'll take my watch in with me if I need to.

Feel free to PM me if you want.

Thanks.

Harry Dude

02-11-07, 11:02

I typically go to Palace if I have 4 hours or more between flights - in fact, I fly through Frankfurt a lot and I always make sure I have at least 4 hours so that I can pop over to Palace. I store my luggage at the airport and then take a taxi to Palace (if I have more time I will take the S-bahn to save some money).

I have even done this with only 3 hours between flights...

If I have 6 hours or more I rent a car from Sixti.de and go to FKK Oase (I usually pay 25EUR for the rental car so that is actually less than taking a taxi to Palace).

I am flying form the far east to Spain and will be changing flights in Frankfurt. How far is the closest club to the airport? Is it feasible to arrive in the morning jet over to the club and then flight out again in the evening?

Is it easy to get to from the airport?
Thanks in advance

Ortos

02-11-07, 11:59

1) In your opinions, does it get much better talent-wise than GT and Palace? If not, I'll probably be happy at those places again.

2) Palace- Is Sunday an off night at Palace? It sounds like weekday nights at Palace have a lot of girls available, which is good. I was there on a Thursday night. Do Friday and Saturdays tend to be crowded with guys? I am thinking I would be there on a weekend and if those tended to be bad nights I'll readjust my schedule.

3) Do you have any recommendations about other clubs in Frankfurt?

4) Frankfurt hotels- I stayed by the main train station(Hotel Excelsior) and took a cab to Palace. It's not a particularly interesting area(seedy?) and the hotel was not great(55E). Since I will be there three nights this time I might want to explore more and that area gives me access. That hotel near Palace sounds great and I would love to have access in and out of the club all day but that seems to put me out in that industrial area. It would be nice to be somewhat near the club but also stay in an area that's a little nicer, and has more of what Frankfurt offers as a city, whatever that may be.

5) How do you make sure a girl agrees to 30 full minutes of service? I'll take my watch in with me if I need to.

Feel free to PM me if you want.

Thanks.

Well, I'll have a go at some of your questions:

1. Whilst there are clear-cut differences between both GT and Palace, to me, they both have the top line-ups in their respective regions, NWR for GT, FFM for Palace. They both attract a good mix of time-proven "stars" and lots of new amateur/free-lance talent. In this last Dept., one would probably have to tip the hat to GT in terms of sheer numbers of young German student types from various ethnic backgrounds (but most of these early 20s girls are brought up in Germany and mentality wise are more or less German, this judging from their very strong home-grown German accents...). So as far as I am concerned: Both clubs have more or less the same talent level, though at Palace you have to watch out for a few "sharks" or "churn/burn processor" type girls. True they can be found in any club, and if truth is told, many girls at one club may well have worked in the other from time to time. Palace just seems to attract a greater number, but I personally do very very well at Palace and slightly prefer the line-up/vibe/operating system at Palace over GT. But GT is great also...

2. Yes, Sundays at Palace are different than say, Thurs, Fri, Sat, etc. But this can work in a positive way too, as the girls that are there --and there will usually be a decent selection on Sundays at Palace-- may well be more relaxed, and less stressed to get you in/out of the room. I've had some of my best nights at Palace on Sundays, and some disapointing nights as well...alll depends. GT may also suffer a little bit in terms of turn out on Sundays, but there will probably be less men there too, which is a real, real Bonus.

3. Other clubs in FFM: You mean you haven't tried Oase? Well, go there for sure. And Oase can be quite good on Sunday afternoons - midnight... I always go to Oase on Sudays and am happy.

4. Hotels: There are lots of good Hotels around the Hauptbahnhof. The seedy area is only in one or two blocks. Beyond that, it is just normal business FFM. Choosing a hotel, indeed your entire stay in FFM, should first be correlated with the presence or absence of a Messe event during your proposed dates. What are your dates? Then look to see if there is a Messe in town. This more than anything else should influence where/when you stay in FFM. You want decent prices: Do NOT visit during a Messe. Simple.

5. Come on. The answer: Select your session partner correctly and this will not be an issue...

Chicafan

02-11-07, 16:41

Jackyo

02-11-07, 16:59

5) How do you make sure a girl agrees to 30 full minutes of service? I'll take my watch in with me if I need to.

Feel free to PM me if you want.

Thanks.
Watch and observe her interactions with other customers.

Time her sessions to get a sense of her service commitment (yes, this isn't an absolute indication of how well she will perform but its an indication).

Talk to her other customers.

And check out your rapport with her before you commit.

And did I forget to say that you should bring a watch with you?

Shark16

02-11-07, 21:09

I want to look into staying at this Fleming's. Does anyone know which one is referenced above and located next to Palace?

Fleming's Hotel Frankfurt an der neuen Börse
Elbingerstrasse 1-3 60487
Frankfurt am Main

Flemings Hotel Frankfurt-Messe
Mainzer Landstrasse 87- 89
60329 Frankfurt am Main

The one in Elbingerstrasse 1-3.

Percent99

02-12-07, 18:21

BlueScott can you pm ? because I really have something important to ask you in private

Blue Devil1

02-13-07, 23:52

Ortos

02-14-07, 07:12

I will be in Frankfurt in a few days and will have a rental car. I would like to try out Palace on my tour of the area FKK's, but wonder about the parking situation. I inferred from the website that Palace doesn't have its own parking lot, but parking is available around the club.

Indeed, Palace DOES have its own parking lot. There is a lot with space for twenty or so cars within the Palace entrance complex. The question is: Will there be a space available there when you arrive? I've actually never been able to find a space, so I always park (free) just across the street where there is are some possibilities, or, more often, down the street one can find. There are no time limits and no paid parking! Don't worry, just go...

Ortos

Wanking

02-15-07, 01:21

Dedalus,

I see u mentioned on ignatzmice about a rash of locker thefts in Dec and Jan.
I presume it was the bigger lockers in the changing room you are refering to? And not the small valuables lockers that are in view of the small bar.

Anyone on the board here hit??

Ortos

02-15-07, 07:01

"I see u mentioned on ignatzmice about a rash of locker thefts in Dec and Jan.
I presume it was the bigger lockers in the changing room you are refering to? And not the small valuables lockers that are in view of the small bar. "

I think there were a few incidents involving thefts of the small valuable lockers at Palace during Dec. At any rate, I was at Palace in late Jan and all the valuable lockers were moved to a new location, just opposite the small bar as you enter. This must have been a reaction to the the theft's incidents. I remember a few years ago, bandits attacked the reception desk at Oase and made off with several thousand Euros in Eintritt fees! The security at Oase must have been looking elsewhere than the front entrance cameras, eh?

Ortos

Blue Devil1

02-15-07, 08:40

Indeed, Palace DOES have its own parking lot. There is a lot with space for twenty or so cars within the Palace entrance complex. The question is: Will there be a space available there when you arrive? I've actually never been able to find a space, so I always park (free) just across the street where there is are some possibilities, or, more often, down the street one can find. There are no time limits and no paid parking! Don't worry, just go...

OrtosOrtos,

Thanks, for the info.

"Don't worry, just go..." is great advice!

Jimmy K II

02-15-07, 13:26

"I see u mentioned on ignatzmice about a rash of locker thefts in Dec and Jan.
I presume it was the bigger lockers in the changing room you are refering to? And not the small valuables lockers that are in view of the small bar. "

I was in Palace last december (2006) and had a collegue next to mine, who left his locker key for 5 minutes in the room where he was before with the lady.
When he remarked it, he immediately returend to the room but the key was gone and when he came back to the locker, his wallet was already stolen.
Not the best commercial for such a "premium club".

So gent's never take off your locker keys and pay attention to your values.

Personnally i'm hunting since more than 10 years in several clubs (unfortunately not too often) and nothing has happened yet - hopefully it stays so until the end of my "career".

So long, have fun!
Jimmyk

Wanking

02-15-07, 13:33

I was in Palace last december (2006) and had a collegue next to mine, who left his locker key for 5 minutes in the room where he was before with the lady.
When he remarked it, he immediately returend to the room but the key was gone and when he came back to the locker, his wallet was already stolen.
Not the best commercial for such a "premium club".

Actually it never ceases to amaze me the amount of guys who mislay their locker key or who dont bother wearing it and leave it on tables etc. I have often seen guys in Palace walking around looking for their key.

The electronic key set up in Living Room Kaarst is the best ive ever encountered. The wrist band is not too bulky and you never have to remove it from your wrist when you are there.

Warsteiner

02-15-07, 21:10

The electronic key set up in Living Room Kaarst is the best ive ever encountered. The wrist band is not too bulky and you never have to remove it from your wrist when you are there.

I agree, they have the same system at GT and I think they should use this system in all clubs.

Percent99

02-16-07, 18:16

I would like to put one subject for discusion in the forum .There is something bothering me the last days and I would like to share with all of you:
I see a guy who has 3 posts in the forum total and they are in a period of 3 months.This guy is dvorak1
He is in all 3 posts seeking a girl who he claims is a regular of his (why hasnt he posted anything? about her or others ever?)
And he p.m. me telling me that he thinks I am talking about the same colombian girl while I dont think I have ever posted about a Colombian Girl.
Anyway the conclusion is that it makes me very suspisious about the intentions of this Guy as he could be up to no good for all I know and I (or one of us ) could be helping this guy hurt a girl .
It makes me very suspisious to see a guy 8 months lurking to find info about 1 girl and asking for our help when he has no contribution to the forum or no other intrest but to find this girl. Maybe he is in love with her ,maybe he had a good time and he wants to again.But maybe he is a maniac trying to find this girl to harm her.
I think that we all need to protect the girls and the fellow posters from guys and girls that are (possibly) up to no good.this is one of the reasons this forum exists..Imagine how you would feel if you found out that you helped someone in a crime)

P.S.: I am sure he has P.M. maybe every guy in this thread.
Please tell me your opinions about this.
Dvorak sorry and you are free to tell me your version if you like as I have asked by pm and never got answer.
thanks
99%

Ortos

02-16-07, 20:15

%99,

And the connection of your post to FKK Palace is....?????

Percent99

02-16-07, 21:29

He has his 3 posts here.He is looking for this girl here and he is pm ing me and everyone in here and dont you see the connection? I think it concerns this thread and this thread only.
thanks and please dont think that I like having to discuss this.
I just think that in here should be people who can help others and be helped .But not people looking for other things.If you are not bothered sorry.But I am.

Alex P Keaton

02-17-07, 13:21

At any rate, I was at Palace in late Jan and all the valuable lockers were moved to a new location, just opposite the small bar as you enter. This must have been a reaction to the the theft's incidents.

Correct. There are also signs directing patrons to put all of their valuables in the small lockers across from the "coffee bar" because they are under "video surveillance."

We can now engage in the type of speculation we engage in at Oase -- sit at the bar and watch girls and guys do the payment ritual at the lockers, and guess based on their demeanors, chattiness, and huggy-and-kissy-ness what type of performance the girl gave.

Alex P Keaton

02-17-07, 13:24

I was in Palace last december (2006) and had a collegue next to mine, who left his locker key for 5 minutes in the room where he was before with the lady. When he remarked it, he immediately returend to the room but the key was gone and when he came back to the locker, his wallet was already stolen. Not the best commercial for such a "premium club".

So gent's never take off your locker keys and pay attention to your values.

I do recommend that you take your locker key off your wrist when you go into a room with a girl. It's a courtesy so you don't scratch her or poke her with it during the session. But put it someplace you can't possibly forget it when the session's over, like in your sandal.

Alex P Keaton

02-17-07, 13:34

It was pretty slow, in the sense of having a favorable girl-to-guy ratio, for a Friday night. Things picked up somewhat after 11:00 p.m. My reviews:

Linda. So much has been written about her, yet I'd never tried her because she's the opposite of my type (I like 'em little and scrawny). But perhaps entranced by her new blonde hair and weight loss, I gave her a try this time, and it was good. The long, gentle BJ was a high point.

Adrianne. She's from Hungary, a long-time FKK worker who has been at Palace for less than a month. Dark brown hair past her shoulders, green eyes, thin, some symbols tattooed on her upper spine, small implants that probably took her from an A/B-cup to a C-cup. I was pleased by her performance and enthusiasm. The high point was her strong, loud, wet orgasm in response to my DATY, and her praise and eagerness to please me afterwards.

Laura. A thin, tan Romanian with longish blonde hair, B-cups, and a slightly hooked nose. She is one of the Romanians who give Romanians their bad reputation: wanting to upsell and wanting to hurry the session. Her BJ was mostly a HJ with teeth.

Chicafan

02-17-07, 15:09

The high point was her strong, loud, wet orgasm in response to my DATY, and her praise and eagerness to please me afterwards.On my recent first trip through the FKKs I found most girls were not interested in the little vibrator I carry with me. Most girls in Brazil, for instance, adore it while all the girls I "met" at FKKs were puzzled by it, were afraid of it, and/or had no interest at all. I was surprised. In spite of this I still had great sex. But it left me wondering how to get the girls involved and into the session. Now after reading the board I hear more guys talking about DATY with FKK girls so maybe that's the answer. Because of the volume these girls have nightly and that I don't get to see what they do to prepare before a session I did not DATY. Maybe I need to rethink my lingual involvement with the girls at FKKs.

Jackyo

02-17-07, 16:50

I do recommend that you take your locker key off your wrist when you go into a room with a girl. It's a courtesy so you don't scratch her or poke her with it during the session. But put it someplace you can't possibly forget it when the session's over, like in your sandal.
Do take it off when you go into a room with her. She will appreciate it.

I've wondered if there was any other place to attach it to: the ankle, perhaps? Or maybe between sessions you can wrap your key around your dick so you don't lose it.

One of the girls showed me (I forget where) how to turn the key and fit it into a plastic sleeve on the wristband. Believe it or not, I discovered this only recently - and this is after having visited clubs for years.

The Red Carpet Clubs have a special holder on their wristbands for a small card which the girls fill out with their names so they can keep track of how many sessions you had. This is not something you can take a shower with.

I also have to think about where to put my glasses so I tend to put it together with the key.

I've learned from experience that you don't take a pair of glasses into a sauna. I've had plastic frames which were deformed by the heat - the lenses will pop out. There are sometimes small shelves outside saunas for glasses.

I do take my watch and the key into the sauna. I've been concerned that my watch might not work afterwards but so far its survived. I wrap it in a towel to try to keep it insulated from the heat.

The key though will get hot so its not a good idea to wear it there.

I dropped the same watch twice in the shower area in Atlantis. It required having the watch crystal being replaced each time which, of course, cost a bit.

Save your better watches for other ocassions. I make do with an all plastic Swatch which works just great and I can even take it swimming and not have a problem.

Yes, you need nothing more than a watch, glasses (if you wear them), your locker key, towels and sandals to have good clean fun.

Rain City

02-18-07, 06:28

I was at Palace this Friday also. Alex, obviously we missed each other. It sounds like you came in later, as I left before 10 PM.

I agree with Alex. I thought it was rather slow for Friday. I did not see too many appealing options. A lot of my previous favorites were missing, including the famous Vicky.

My first session was with Vanessa (Poland). She is in her early 20s, dark wavy hair with a few highlights. Medium height and slim built. She has nice enhanced (I think) b - c size breasts (she must have gel inplants, as they were nice and soft). I think she did everything right, but I just did not feel the chemistry between us. It was an okay session and job was done. But nothing was memorable. I think this is truly a YMMV case, as I recall some member spoke very highly of her. I would rate her 7.5/8.5/7 (face/body/service).

My second session was with Laura (Romania). Medium height, slim built, wavy blonde hair. Alex described more details of her. I totally agree with Alex. She tried to upsell the service, too much hand action in bj, stayed only 15 min in the room, and so on. Although she is very easy on the eyes, she is not someone I would repeat. I would rate her 8.5/8.5/6. As a side note, for those who spent time with Alexandra (Sasha) in Odessa, Laura really reminded me of Sasha for her facial expression.

I am more and more inclining towards avoiding the Romanian girls. When I was sitting at the coffee stand near the entrance, two dark haired Romanian girls (one with cross tatoo in lower back and the other with red bird [Phoenix?] tatoo on her upper back) came next to me. They said, "Move, we want to sit down here." I said, "Fine." Then when I tried to make a small talk with them, they said, "Don't talk to us. We want to drink coffee." With that kind of attitude, good luck on finding regulars or steady business.

Ekliges Lauern

02-18-07, 09:36

I took a nap following my long flight before getting to Palace about 5PM. I like being there before the evening shift arrives so I can get the best of the day shift and evening shifts. As I hung out getting the atmosphere before my first session, I sensed something was different. Usually I can get a sense of which girls to try by watching which ones were busy with customers, going to the room multiple times. It seemed much slower and I was having trouble getting a sense of the girls as not that many sessions were happening. Also, the girls seemed more desparate than usual early in the day as politely turning away the frequent "Gesellschaft?" inquiries was generating a bad vibe.

Anyway, after an hour or so, I see my Greek BJ artist from my Silvester visit. Well, as she is a sure thing as far as I was concerned so I planted myself ins Kino and awaited her arrival. Before too long, she does the Kino circuit trolling for customers, spots me and off we go. I remember this time to get her name this time for the board. Her name is Anna. A long slow sensual Kino BJ with FT finish follows. Just what I need to start the visit off right. She's not eye candy, but if you are looking for a world class toe curling BJ from a nice girl, give her a try.

As I said before, the atmosphere seems subtly different and I'm having trouble locking on to targets based on observed behaviour. For example, Czech Linda is there and she is spending a lot of time outside the rooms trolling for customers. I orginially locked onto Linda as the girl I had to try since she was never out of the room for more than a couple minutes at a time. Anyway, I see Linda, and as she is on my repeat list of to the Kino we go. I notice she dropped a couple Kilos and with the blonde hair she looks quite nice. Linda is a dilema as she gives a great BJ as well as being a fun fuck. Being lazy and tired, I end up just opting for the Kino BJ again. Of course with Linda, it was great, but I'm starting to feel stuck in a rut.

Now most of the evening shift has arrived. I'm disappointed a few of my favorites are not there. Vicky from Czech, Pum and Koko the Asiatinnen are all MIA. Oh well, as I mention I am stuck in a bit of a rut so its time to try someone new. I notice a thin dark haired waif type, who has a bit of a middle eastern look about her. She has sessioned a couple of times and seemed to emerge with happy customers. My only trepidation, is based on the look and the clanninsh behaviour with some of the other girls, I think she might be Romanian. You see, I am something of a BJ racist. For whatever reason, the Romanian girls always want to tug on little Radler with way more intensity than I like. And for what ever reason, they do not seem to comprehend the German work "Langsam!". Anyway, I approach her. Her name is Debra and she is from Romanian. I think what the hell, I really need to get past my attitudes so I go to the room with her. Sure enough, I get the Romanian clean and jerk BJ. I do rather enjoy fucking her with her on top and von hinten. She is trying to rush me into a short session, but as it is my third session of the night, a quick pop is not to be extracted. A bit of a clash of wills ensues, but I am not to rushed even if I wanted to allow it. I end up taking the whole half hour before popping. Debra would probably be a good session for a younger guy who wanted a really energetic BJ and fuck, but her pacing really wasn't for me.

I'm beginning to think the American girl proverb, "You've got to kiss a few frogs to find the prince" has its FKK equivalent in "You've got to fuck a few Romanians to find the Czeck Linda's of the club".

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Alex P Keaton

02-18-07, 10:00

Catherine. Russian, tall, honey-blonde hair, blue eyes, B-cups beginning to droop. Apart from leaving her shoes on and being a reluctant kisser, she did everything else right. Most noteworthy is that, every time I changed sexual positions, she briefly resumed a BJ, not minding the condom taste or the taste of her juices on it.

Claudia. Romanian with a Spanish father. 5'6" tall, shorter dark blonde hair pulled back into a ponytail, fond of multicolor leggings or socks, tan, C-cups. As part of my "give a Romanian a chance" program, I tried her, and she was okay. It was an average session, neither spectacular nor marred by upselling or rushing. She is a friend of Adrianne, with whom I had the good session the previous night.

I am unable to recall the name of the third girl, and I should. I first met her at Oase, she is a law student who works the clubs on her vacations, she has curly blonde hair, A-cups, and a little roll of fat around her belly. My session with her last year at Oase was better than my session with her this time at Palace, which was just average. If I recall her name, I will add it.

Alex P Keaton

02-18-07, 10:06

Alex, obviously we missed each other.

You probably saw me and didn't know it was me. Long dark hair, goatee, tattoos, fending off most girls' advances.

two dark haired Romanian girls (one with cross tatoo in lower back and the other with red bird [Phoenix?] tatoo on her upper back)

Yes, they are among the worst of the bunch, what I usually refer to as Olympia's group. The lower-back tattoo is an ankh. The right-shoulder tattoo is some red bird-like crest, a phoenix is as good a guess as any.

Jackyo

02-18-07, 11:59

Claudia. Romanian with a Spanish father.
I've read elsewhere about Romanian women trying to pass themselves off as Spanish as they don't like being painted by the same brush.

It is entirely possible that she is indeed Romanian with a Spanish father but.. si no habla Espanol (or better yet: la lengua castellana), no es verdad.

Beffen1

02-18-07, 17:54

my operatives in the field this weekend inform me that vicki/regi, the little blonde czech [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901), is back at golden time.

beffen

Crazy Travel

02-18-07, 18:35

Finally I came back (last time for xmas party in palace and in January in colosseum).

I left Italy to Frankfurt Hahn at 9 in the morning of 17. Arrived, took a car and went to Industriehof (without tom tom, but the old printed map:.))). It was 12 and decided to have a trip in Fra. Parked near palace, took U6 and had lunch in the center. After, I decided to have a walk in RDL but after thousands steps without good result decided to come back. It was 16, I entered the car trying to sleep one hour (I was really tired as I didn' t slept good and took the plane early.). At 17 o'clock finally entered.

I saw immediatly Natascha from Ukraine (super busty). I wanted so much to start with her (had a good experience with her in xmas party) but this time she was always (and only) proponing with a blonde (smelling of ripping off.) girl talking spanish that told me to be russian. So decided to try later hoping to see her without the "friend", but she left palace early so I couln't test.

Another unlucky was the absence of Koko. (I like her so much) and Anastassia (I had one of the best BBJ and I wanted this time to have CIM. But she wasn't. Maybe it's true: every left is lost:.)).

I read many recent report and I'd like to say:

1. Yes, also to me (I was always and only on Saturday) seemed a really unusal slow night

2. In general this time I saw the level a little lower than usual. There were of course some great girls but I saw also some ugly never seen, and, what disapponting me, this time I saw too much silicon.

3. I agree with rain city and other about romanian girl. Without generalizing I usually had bad (I mean rushed) experienced from romanian (as told in my xmas report disapponting many of us.

4. In general we discuss a lot about 30 min, I mean about time. For me, this is my opinion, a session could be good also if it is 15/20. What is important for me is not to feel push to complete. I mean good bbj till almost you cum and after a fucking (I mean for std session). If it last 15/20 is ok. And about me sometimes last 15 sometimes I need 30 or even a little more. So, for me is good in this situation and after some kisses and. Bye bye.

Before starting my specific reporto about girls and session I'd like to thank Rain City. We met, we chat and we discover to be here both. I had a nice talking and for me (that was alone) was really a pleasure to discuss with so polite gentlemen and to share experience real-time.

Ok, the girls.

- Don't know the name:.)) The italian girl. She expressed didn't want to tell me (maybe becouse we are on the some nationality:.)))). She was great, really nice, funny, nice time. GFE experience and without rushed. BBJ, Fuck and finish (on my request) by HJ. All really enjoble for me (50 Euro)

- Maria, the famuos dominica. As usaul great experience. Really know how to use tongue as I asked upgrade to deep rim-job. Great. After cuming also a 10 minute of relaxing massage (100 Euro becouse of rimming)

- Linda. I hear good of her from Maria (she gives advice:.)))) and I really wanted busty girl (dreaming Natasha). Linda is really sweet girl, really good to sell herself. So soft, so nice tit everywhere on me. We started to kiss in the movie and we went in the room. She started to give me a great BBJ (ok, nothing to compare to Anastassia one.). After she tryed to upsell cim or anal but I decided to continue standard. Without problem form her we starte to fuck. Before she on me (so nice to see the tits from that position) and we finished in the missionary with her touching my balls. Nice! (50 Euro)

- Lina. A little after Linda, Lina come for the second time to me. I know she is hurrying girls. But is so nice. I wanted to waste me 50 euro but to stay a little with her. Really beautiful girl. Anywas it was too early after Linda. So BBJ but after some moment of enthusiasm my brother fall down. So I aske her to touch me and to try to make me cum. She was great I should tell, started to touch and after she gave it in my hand and make me a really really really great show. For every point of view she showed me every detail touching herself. Great! At the end it was like a masturbation but I liked. Anyway she is really nice girl at my eyes (I'd like to try again with more energy). (50 Euro)

- BEE. After Lina I decided to wait long time not to repeat the experiece. And, missing koko, I decided for a asian. Saw bee oftne smiling. So I decided. I came to her and we went in the room. Really not rushed (maybe even 45 minute) and we spent the first period just touching and chatting. After she started to become wet and made a great BBJ while I was having a great daty with my finger inside. After a great fuck I was destroyed and happy. The only pity is silinc tits. (50 Euro).

In the meanwhle it came 3 o clock. I changed myself, drink the last coffee and took the car for going to Hahn where my plane would have left at 6. 10. Now I'm here (quite just awake) dreaming about FKK and dreaming next time I'll be able to come. Is really like a paradise.

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Alex P Keaton

02-18-07, 21:02

Aneesa. Half-Lebanese, petite brown body, brown eyes, highlighted brown hair, A/B-cups. Pleasant to talk to. An average session.

Celi. German, chin-length bleached-blonde hair, brown eyes, paler skin, B-cups. An average session for me, although she seemed responsive to what I was doing. She was one of those who doesn't take her shoes off during the session, alas.

And away I go.

Alex P Keaton

02-18-07, 21:08

I've read elsewhere about Romanian women trying to pass themselves off as Spanish as they don't like being painted by the same brush.

It is entirely possible that she is indeed Romanian with a Spanish father but.. si no habla Espanol (or better yet: la lengua castellana), no es verdad.

Entirely possible, but not so easy for me to test. I speak a modest amount of Spanish. But so do many of the girls who have worked in a club for any decent period of time -- in addition to their native tongue, they tend to learn enough German, English, and Spanish to be able to converse with the other girls and the customers.

For whatever it's worth, her facial features seemed to bear out her claim of paternal heritage.

Turnkey13

02-19-07, 03:28

Harry Dude

02-19-07, 04:05

I saw immediatly Natascha from Ukraine (super busty). I wanted so much to start with her (had a good experience with her in xmas party) but this time she was always (and only) proponing with a blonde (smelling of ripping off.) girl talking spanish that told me to be russian.

I was with a different Natascha also from Ukraine (not so busty), long blonde hair, A/B tits. Very nice, slow, unrushed.

Also this weekend:

Also, Bee from Thailand was excellent. She has a massive tattoo covering her entire back (not really to my liking), but she has a super-charming smile and is great in the room. Excellent BBBJ, great DFK.

Jelena from Belarus was the surprise - she was absolutely phenomenal. Really sloppy wet kisses, sloppy BBBJ, energetic fucking - especially with her on top. The right noises at the right time, she made a very good impression of enjoying herself. A gem.

Stephanie from Panama - excellent body (especially if you do not mind bolt-on tits), but not so great BBBJ. As someone else has reported, stops every minute to spit.

Two weeks ago I was with another Stephanie (from Italy). Despite the attempt at upsell, she was really fabulous - somewhat more aggressive than many of the other girls.

What else: Laura from Italy (she uses a different name these days, usually wears stockings, small tits, the one time I was with her she started moaning and screaming after 30 seconds - a poor act, obviously trying to finish me as soon as possible) was curiously looking at a customer who was sitting on one of the couches, reading a book. She was probably wondering what he was there for...

As I was undressing on Saturday evening, the guy using the locker right next to me was preparing to leave. The smell of old, stale sweat was making me gag - he had obviously not showered, neither before nor after. Sometimes I pity these girls - serving customers like that can not be fun. I try to adhere to these guidelines when I am at these places: 1) You can not be clean enough. 2) Floss and brush teeth, but take care not to floss to violently since you do not want bleeding gums. Chewing gum is also ok, especially if you have enjoyed the nice food they serve. 3) Use some body lotion if your skin becomes dry after excessive showering, a pleasant smell is good. 4) Always take off the key-bracelet when playing with the girls. 5) Smile and be friendly, even if the girl approaching is not to your liking.

Iseeu

02-19-07, 08:48

Lorens

02-19-07, 09:10

I'm arriving Frankfurt early onFeb 23rd and am scheduled to depart on the 24th. However, my time is very flexible and I'm considering staying another day. Being a brand new Newbie to the FKK scene, what's the recommendation of the big 3 for my very first visit? Palace, Oase or World? I'll have a car with GPS (with a back up map! ) so that's not an issue. I'm a reserverd / quiet person, but I get into and like to partake in public action, but I really dislike strong upsells. I like the women to come to me, but if they are to aggresive, then I think I know when to back off. At least I hope so.

My original aggresive plan was Frankfurt Friday afternoon and nite, the Colleseum Saturday night and then the new Atlantis in Austriia on Sunday afternoon before my flight early Monday AM. However, reports on the Colleseum indicate no real SP inderaction unless it's intiated which concerns me seeing that I don't have a second language along with what appears to be an absence of public action.

I haven't seen any recent reports concerning Atlantis in Kufdstein Austria an would love to go there to provide a repart.

Depending how I feel getting off the plane I'm seriously considering driving to Brend's which may make my original question moot. But. Back to Frankfurt. If I'm not able to get to Brend's, which of the big 3 would you recommend?

Many thanks for your help

TurnkeyI'm also going to be in Frankfurt on that weekend, and i think it is probably much more interesting to go to Bernds on sunday, than all the way to Austria. If you are interested to join forces, i wouldn't mind sharing the petrol costs. Otherwise, i suggest all 3 big ones, especially if you're with the car. Palace is probably the best one, but World and Oase should be visited too.

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Ortos

02-19-07, 09:53

For what it's worth, I observed the following working patterns for some of the girls mentioned below:

Anasstasia: A brunnette Latvian/Russian. One of my favourite performers. When I first sessioned with her a couple of years ago, I was literally blown away by her strong GFE style (esp DFK) and BBBJ, as noted below. At that time she was working night shift. More than one year ago, however, she changed to the day time, and when I've seen her there it is always on weekday afternoons, NOT on weekends. So that may explain her ablsence.

Natasha/Ukraine (busty version): I think we are speaking of the same girl. She used to work at Atlantis when it was still going strong. Then she resurfaced for a while at Oase and finally found her main nesting spot at Palace shortly after it opened. Always a daytime/afternoon worker, often leaving club at 18.00/19.00. I think if you see her with another girl, just take her aside and whisper in her ear that you want her alone. She will detatch, and give you very good attention solo in the room...

Another girl mentioned below, is a nighttime provider from Panama, Stephanie. One night I was in the mood for Latina love and although I am not a huge fan of augemented chests, I decided to overlook this and try her out. I too was NOT thrilled with the performace in the room, which I found curious because of most of my experiences with Latinas have been at least decent. This I found sub-par, so I will definitely avoid.

Lina/Cz: Well, many of us have written alot of negatives about dear old Lina's churn and burn attitude, but somehow occassionally fairly positive reports surface as well. Interesting to see that she does float some people's boats and she can get enthusiastic. Yet note: she is very much a YMMV type of girl. Yes, she is rather attractive...

I would only say in summary, that Palace, though it has a lot of "red-flag" girls, is a perfect place to go if: A) You like to be approached alot by aggressive girls; B) You are strong/experienced enough to not be manipulated into a room by a girl you may not really want, i.e. you can control your own session destiny; and C) You want a very varied selection, including some really top peformers (if you know how to recognise them), within a fairly central FFM location.

Based on my personal experiences a few weeks ago, I rated the line-ups at Palace and Oase to be top-notch. Oase should also not be overlooked for the new FKK inductee...

Ortos

Jackyo

02-19-07, 11:21

Going to Bernd's for your first FKK action isn't a good idea. You're better off in any case, staying in the FRA area and not searching other pastures far and wide. Colosseum is great if you're in Bavaria, but it makes no sense to make a special trip down there if you're in FRA. You won't want to leave FRA anyway after your first exposure.

For your first FKK experience I would always recommend Oase. Split your weekend between there and World. If you dislike strong upsells, stay away from Palace, although you're likely to encounter some of that in all 3 clubs.

Njoy and report - we need new perspectives.Iseeu knows of what he speaks.

This business of driving around going from FRA down to ColA makes absolutely no sense unless you already are in Bayern for some other reason.

Find a map and see how far away this is to drive - all of that distance and Benzin and to visit only one club (!).

In FRA you have a great choice (I'm saying this semi-sincerely: some of you know where I stand on certain issues) between the clubs which make up the Hessen 3.

They would blow any newbie's mind. A visit to all three would be enough to initiate you into the sub-culture.

I too endorse Oase as the best of this line up. There has been enough written about all three clubs on this forum.

When you have done all three then you can start thinking about other regions and other clubs. Consider the Hessen 3 to be your introductory FKK 101 course.

Turnkey13

02-19-07, 15:37

Many thanks for everyone's advice. I appreciate it. My trip is half business and half pleasure. I have to be in Munich for an early Sunday afternoon meeting so I arranged my return flight from Munich instead of having to drive all the way back to FRA.

I'll be sure to post reports when I return.

Iseeu

02-19-07, 21:25

I'm also going to be in Frankfurt on that weekend, and i think it is probably much more interesting to go to Bernds on sunday, than all the way to Austria.
Bernd's is closed on Sunday.

Ekliges Lauern

02-19-07, 23:16

I’m nearing the end of a three day run at Palace. Sunday night I had three better than average experiences. With a good night sleep and a work out in the morning, I’m feeling recharged. I get to Palace around 5PM and hang out. After about an hour, Claudia, the tall thin Russian with short straight back hair gives me her sales pitch. As I’m determined to try to make new friends, I go to the room with her. BJ was better than average but not in Linda or Anna’s league. Fucking her doggie style was fun, but I had to fight her a bit to control the pace. Bottom line, an OK fuck and a better than average BJ.

Between rounds I run into a group of English speakers. It’s nice to have a group to chat with for a bit, but I’m used to prowling solo. From the conversation, I’m gathering most of these chaps are looking for a temporary girlfriend type. Maybe I’m just a jaded sleaze, but I’m looking for a slutty girl with a good attitude and fantastic skills who likes to suck me off in the Kino. Not that I don’t enjoy the temporary girlfriend occasionally.

From this point on, I forgot names on Sunday night. I think when the blood rushes out of my head, my memory goes with it. Anyway, I detach myself from the group to go hunting. As I’m hanging out by the couch by the stairs, a Russian girl, about 30 with the wavy dyed blond hair, tall with average size tits and a somewhat wide ass plops down on top of me and starts kissing me and feeling me up. As I mentioned, I’m trying to make new friend so off to the room we go. Pretty good BJ and a pleasant fuck. I had an enjoyable time, but her skills just weren’t up to the caliber to make my repeat list.

I end up hanging in the Kino recharging for the next couple of hours. I have my hit list for the final pop of the evening. The somewhat large Ukrainian girl, the one with the monster tits that tries to push doubles with her Brazilian friend; I want to fuck because I am curious. As a fall back position, I have a couple of ladies I have observed administering competent Kino BJs. I wait in the Kino. And wait. And wait. No one on my list trolls through the Kino. Finally, after about an hour, a Dutch girl with big fake tits comes in. I saw her the night before in the Kino and noticed she seemed to have a steady stream of customers. I take the plunge. Anyway to make a long story short, she administers a competent Kino BJ, but once again, not up to the level that would put her on my repeat list.

I end the evening comparing notes with my fellow English speakers. It turns out Czech Linda was there and I missed her. Damn, she would have been perfect for the third pop of the evening BJ. Anyway, interesting thing is some of the guys in the group have gone with Lina and are recommending her. I am going to have to reconsider my personal blacklist.

Before we get to Monday, I should note that when FKKing, I usually take Viagra right as I’m leaving for the club. I’m not a young guy and it make the second (and third and fourth) times a sure thing where otherwise it might be a dicey proposition. This detail will become important to understand the context for round two.

I’m back flying solo Monday night. I see Linda there, and decide she will be my clean up hitter, and pencil her in for round three. I’ve also put Lina on my to do list given last nights recommendations. Plus, she’s probably noticed me repeating with Linda many times so I’m thinking I can coax a good session out of her. Plus, the woman is serious eye candy. Now if I can just make her my Kino BJ ****. But I digress.

About the time I’m thinking of making my selection, Aleeta, a Turkish girl, gives me her sales pitch. I like the Middle-Eastern look and my experience with Turkish girls has been above average with a couple of great ones thrown in. Anyway, we go to the room. Aleeta is quite coachable in the BJ department. She likes to be fingered while sucking me, a nice touch. After a bit of enjoyable fucking, we return to the BJ and I give her the FT bonus. Finally, a new friend for my repeat list.

I have a spot of dinner and plop myself down in the Kino to rest. Here is where the Viagra comes into the story. I’ve spent so much time in the Kino this weekend, that the porn is repeating on me. Anyway after a while, a cute girl who I will later find out it Andrea from Romania administers a quite competent BJ to the chap in front of me. She positions herself to give him (and me) an excellent view. And then it happens, I start getting hard before I am ready to choose another. Right about this time, a German girl I sessioned with a couple of times about a year ago comes into the Kino, sees me and lays down on top of me. She’s the one who used to be blond but now had burgundy hair and a devil tattoo’d on her right butt cheek. She likes to bend over displaying her fantastic ass in the common room. But I digress. Anyway, I don’t want to session with her, but I’m semi-hard, so I’m having a hard time brushing her off with the “I need a rest period” excuse. Anyway, I finally manage to get rid of her.

At this point I need to do a session. Mercifully, in walks Linda. Linda must think she has dropped in my Kino BJ league tables as I didn’t session with her on Sunday. Anyway, she gives me a no hands BJ that takes up the entire half hour. Toe curlingly good. She even tries to get me off with just her mouth (I admire her confidence in her skills). In the end, a little light hand action is needed to combine with her talented mouth to earn her the FT bonus. Say what you will about Linda being a processor, but she knows how to keep me happy and coming back.

Resting before round three, Andrea the Romanian girl giving the BJ in the Kino that set the events leading to round two into motion introduces herself. Anyway, I’m reconsidering my anti-Romanian prejudice. So at this point I’m debating between a “give a Romanian a chance” session and trying out Lina. As I’m hanging at the bar, Maria from the Dominican Republic introduces herself and makes a formidable sales pitch. I tell her, not yet, find me in half an hour. I retire to the Kino to rest and recharge.

Unfortunately my spot on high away from the door is occupied. I end up sitting down fairly close to the door, waiting for my spot to free up. In comes Andrea who starts feeling me up. I cave and let her start the Kino BJ. After telling her not to yank little Radler so hard, she does a competent job. Now, Andrea is cute. Not beautiful, but definite a cute early 20s girl. I decide she isn’t a BJ pro so I decide it might be fun to take her to the room and fuck her. Basically, she’s pretty submissive when getting fucked. She pretty much lets you have her in any position you like but you can tell she would rather be anywhere else. She does give me a couple of “Cum for me” comments, but not so frequent that it get annoying. I end up finishing and she says, “Superman, you fuck me for an hour”. Actually no, it’s been 25 minutes since you started blowing me in the Kino, I think to myself. I’m not looking forward to the fight at the locker over time. I give her 50, and she doesn’t saying anything, kisses me and leaves. No problem, but I would not repeat. But she was cute.

Lina and Maria are now at the top of my to do list next weekend when I return.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Ortos

02-20-07, 12:27

Thanks for a great report on Palace and containing some references to some well-known girls.

Yes, Linda is one of my personal favourite BBBJ-queens. You nailed a good choice there.

As commented below, Lina is not a cut-and-dry case. I personally experienced one rather sub-par session with her about a year or so ago. But that may be just me, and there was no chemistry between us. Yes, she looks good, but since that first bad session, whenever I've been to Palace she has always been there. And I have always observed her working the floor, "churning and burning" her way through the night. She is certainly not one girl you will see sitting alone on a couch for any period of time. Seems she is always busy, and she does trawl the kino and other areas of the club for customers. Often I see the sessions do NOT last so long, but who can say whether this is completely due to her, or her clients who pop too soon...
Interestingly: Since my one session with her, she knows I will NEVER go back into a room with her, so she just ignores me completely. If I am sitting by myself recharging in the kino, she will approach other guys sitting in there by themselves, but completely overlook me, every time. Fine with me, but it is almost as if she knows I had a bad session with her, because there is clear recognition in her eyes when she sees me... I look forward to your comments about her performance inside the room...Like we say: YMMV greatly in this hobby, and some guys love this girl alot...

Well, thanks again for a great report!

Ortos

Phantxtc

02-22-07, 19:01

Rain City

02-23-07, 06:36

I personally never mention about this forum to the girls. I am sure some girls are aware of it, but why should we disclose our source of information? After all, knowledge is power. I don't want to see a lot of shills posted here.

Instead, I talk to other customers -- asking if they are happy with the girl they just spent time with. Or making some small talk, then ask their recommendations if they are regulars. I am sure those girls see me talking with other people and they realize I may share my information with others as well.

Just my 2 cents...

Fats

02-23-07, 06:49

Ekliges Lauern

02-23-07, 06:50

Hello,, gentlemen,

I have a layover in Frankfurt next month and am planning my first visit to either Palace or Oase. As a newbie, I've studied the forum posts to educate myself, and I appreciate all the opinions and reports you guys have given. When I get back, I'll do my best to offer a suitable report in return.

The questions I mainly want to pose relate to avoiding the newbie vibe or falling prey to the scammers and processors, especially if I choose to visit Palace. I know it's been said that even the veterans get taken from time to time, so I'm sure there are no hard and fast rules. But while reading the forums, I came up with a few strategies that I want your opinions on before I test them out.

It sounds like the easiest way out of having the girl try to scam you is to call her out. If you are wearing a watch, let her know you've kept an eye on the time and if she tries to add time for talking at the bar or whatever, tell her you understand the rules to be that the time starts when you enter a zimmer and, as someone earlier suggested, ask if the two of you could go to the front desk for clarification. Is that a workable approach? It seems like if you know you're being scammed, all you should have to do is to not give in easily.

If you have no problem with public sex, would it help ensure good service to try to have her perform in the kino instead of in private so she at least has to "advertise" a good performance? Is it harder or easier for her to claim extended time in the kino (that is, too many people would be around to be able to say the activity itself was longer than it was, but it might be harder to argue when the standard couch action ended and the session itself began)? Any thoughts on this?

I read somewhere someone suggest that you never mention anything about the internet or posting on it. But what do you think of this? If you're clearly dealing with a processor and you know you're in a "hard-sell" business arrangement, what about using the internet as a strategic gambit along the following lines. Tell her you post online reviews and you can offer her three options: If she's good and doesn't mind positive publicity, you'll give her a glowing review; if she's good and doesn't want any publicity, you'll respect her wishes and not post anything; but if she's bad, you'll post a negative review, regardless. I know that's pretty pointed, but if it comes down to business tactics, can you fight fire with fire and still get decent attention even if you know she's merely "doing business"?

As far as countering upsells goes, what if I tell her something to the effect of "I may be willing to pay for more during a second session if I am pleased with the first session"? Will that help make for a better first session, even if she is a processor?

Lastly, I only speak English and I know that's to my disadvantage. This may be a cheesy idea but what if I give her a little card reading something like "Ich bin bereit, für mehr während eines zweiten Treffens zu zahlen, wenn ich das erste Treffen genieße? "? (By the way, if these do *not* say something along the lines of "I may be willing to pay for more during a second session if I enjoy the first session", anyone who knows German and/or Russian, please feel free to offer corrections.)

I appreciate in advance any opinions you guys have on these ideas, or other suggestions you may have.A couple of points:

Set a 1 hour rule. I never go to the room with a lady within my first hour at the club. Find a spot and observe the ladies coming out of the rooms and Kinos. Observe the customers with them. Do they look happy or pissed off? When you do decide, use the info gleaned from your observations.

Kino sex. I'm not a voyeur. Really. But I spend about half my time hanging out in the Kino. The girls know they are on display in the Kino and that other customers are watching. Watch for a girl giving some other bloke the service you want. The Kino is the best friend of the informed consumer. If you are comfortable with Kino sex (not necessarily recommended for the beginner), your girl should be on her best behaviour. Understand, that if she drags you to the room after an initial BJ, you've lost the advantage of being in public. That said, there are some real gems that are uncomfortable Kino sex.

Upsell. Don't sweat it. I think people make way to big of a thing about it. I like a FT ending and am willing to pay for it. My regular girls know this, but new girls are required to tell you that it is 50Euro extra. I don't go for anal, but I'm sure the guys that do don't mind when the girl tells them it is available for a price. Just don't sweat it. Just say no if you don't want it.

Newbe vibe. Speaking only English will not be a major issue, although my tortured Deutsche usually works to my favor as most non-German girls at least find it funny. You will get asked if you are here on work or vacation. The correct answer is work. Say you come back to Germany every month or so. You will also get asked if it is your 1st time. Correct answer again is no. Or if you are uncomfortable with that, say you have been to other clubs. Tell them you like GT better in the summer. The will believe you as they have probably worked at GT in the summer or heard about it from the girls network. The last thing you want to do is give the girls the impression that they will likely never see you again.

Last point. Until you get your FKK legs under you and get confident in picking winners, stick to the sure things. You can't go wrong with Czech Linda. You just can't. Make a list from recent posts and when you run into one of the girls mentioned as being a top performer, go with her. And if things don't turn out as well as you had hoped, well, its only 50 Euros. Sit back, relax, recharge and pick another.

Happy hunting.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Ortos

02-23-07, 09:31

One has to agree with just about everything Radler just below has written.

First and foremost: The best anti-body to being scammed is: Select your session partner wisely! Second: project an air of confidence, i.e. you know the rules, know the playing field, have been here before and will be here again, etc. Yes, this may be difficult to affect if indeed it is your debut visit, but try. Radler's comments about responding to the normal questions is spot on! I even tell them I work for a company that posts me to Frankfurt for a month or so every other month: so I'm always in town...:)

It may have been I who said something like: I personally never make any mention of the Internet, etc. This is my own personal choice, but others may disagree. I just know that, with one exception, every time I did mention Internet, I got negative vibes or it never helped. Now, your suggestions about using it to ward off scamming behaviour is an interesting angle, but must be used correctly and with accurate timing, to acheive good results. I would think that if you do have a situation that brings you to the front desk for the manager to get involved, perhaps a comment spoken in the Manager's ear, that you will post this whole affair on the Internet if it doesn't end your way, might gain you some attention. One point to consider however is that if you come down too hard on the couch pre-session about not wanting to be scammed, etc., it might kind of ruin any pseudo-GFE chemistry you are trying to develop pre-session. I mean, if you deliver this kind of preface to a girl who is in fact NOT a scammer, but perhaps a genuine non-mechanical, non-processor, real GFE-provider, your approach might work to deminish the actual intamcy of the session. I would suggest to just be aware of what goes on, and hold your Intenet card in your rear pocket so to speak. Play the card if you need it, but hope your selection wisdom will prevail so you don't need to use it.

Of course: Wear a watch if you can. And/or: If it is your first time with any girl, and you are not sure of how she will handle the time issue, just ask her what time is it exactly (or tell her: "It's 22.15") as you enter the room for the start of the session. I often do this in a non-agressive way, just to kind of set the parameters and let her know I am aware that some girls do abuse the time issue a bit, but not necessarily accuse her of doing so. If she comments something about this, I just tell her: You are so gorgeous I would probably get carried away with your beauty and skill and loose all track of time...

Speaking only English, on the one hand, is not a problem. There are several girls who speak no German and can only communicate in English (many Romanians new to the FKK scene for example...or sometimes Latina girls, etc.). However, I personally believe that, in some cases, speaking English only, esp. if it sounds to them as native English, tips the girls off that here might be a newbie tourist that they can try to scam. So it all depends on who you are dealing with. Nevertheless, if you show them that you are aware of the traps that many newbie, first-time visitors fall into, then in the end it should not matter whether you speak German or English. I would say, though, that if you can speak passable German, then some EE girls will think you ARE German, or at least live in the area and they treat you more as a local. This is the image that I try to project to the girls, for better or worse: that I am in fact a local.

In summary, Mr Phantxtc: Be aware of the rules, but don't necessarily shove it down each girls throat everytime you flirt with them on the couch. It sounds like you are way ahead of most first-tiime club visitors and you will find your own way naturally. Last --and this runs counter to Radler's 1-hour rule-- sometimes you got to go with your insticts. If, early into your visit, you encounter a girl that just captivates you, and you feel the chemistry flowing and everything is working on all thrusters: Go for it! As he just said: It's only 50E to loose if it goes bad...Live and learn, gamble a bit, but play your cards smart and you will be an FKK winner!

Ortos

Ortos

02-23-07, 09:38

Radler, I was also at the Palace on Feb. 19th and had a session with Lena. I was sitting at the coffee bar near the entrance when she came up and introduced herself. In short order she was giving me a HJ under the towel along with some DFK. She was friendly and personable and we went off to a room. Once we were in the room, I had a Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde experience with her. She became very businesslike, my last kiss was at the coffee bar and she wanted to upsell to $anal$. Fifteen minutes later she had my 50 Euros and was off looking for her next victim. I'm in Ortos' camp, once and never again.

Fats:

That sounds quite similar to what happened to me: First she was all lovey-dovey/GFE-vibes, etc. OUTSIDE the zimmer. Once inside: 180-degree change: Business! I actually called her on this, and she knew I saw right through her act (too late for me, though! I should have seen through it BEFORE the zimmer!). Well, I paid the 50E and consider it a wise investment: I learned alot by this and it has saved me a few bad sessions after this...but not always! Even now and then I go with my gut, and 8 out of 10 times I am right. 2 times I strike out and pay the fine. I must say: I am more adept at choosing the right partner after being burned a couple of times. It is the learning curve we all must go through, I guess...I can now recognise that "churn and burn look" a mile away.

Ortos

Dedalus

02-23-07, 12:12

It sounds like the easiest way out of having the girl try to scam you is to call her out. If you are wearing a watch, let her know you've kept an eye on the time and if she tries to add time for talking at the bar or whatever, tell her you understand the rules to be that the time starts when you enter a zimmer and, as someone earlier suggested, ask if the two of you could go to the front desk for clarification. Is that a workable approach? It seems like if you know you're being scammed, all you should have to do is to not give in easily.

I usually take a look at my watch before setting it on the bed table with my locker key. I also do this so that she notices it and it is usually the last thing that I do before I start to let my hands start to wander. I do not usually do this with girls who I have developed a "relationship" with, but I still check the time.

If you have no problem with public sex, would it help ensure good service to try to have her perform in the kino instead of in private so she at least has to "advertise" a good performance? Is it harder or easier for her to claim extended time in the kino (that is, too many people would be around to be able to say the activity itself was longer than it was, but it might be harder to argue when the standard couch action ended and the session itself began)? Any thoughts on this?

In many cases you are spot on with your thoughts here. There are a number of girls in this scene who do a substandard performance in the room, but perform quite well in the Kino, or in the TV room. I hear nothing but complaints about Romanian Julia: How he is a processor and is very unfriendly, etc. But I have seen her do some pretty good work in the VIP TV room and in the Kino before. I must also say that my few sessions with her were pretty good, but I have no problem believing what others say about her.

I have never seen Olympia do a public session. Perhaps she does not want to let a room-full of potential customers know how terrible she is. I have never seen Sasha do anything in public either. Same goes for Paola.

I read somewhere someone suggest that you never mention anything about the internet or posting on it. But what do you think of this? If you're clearly dealing with a processor and you know you're in a "hard-sell" business arrangement, what about using the internet as a strategic gambit along the following lines. Tell her you post online reviews and you can offer her three options: If she's good and doesn't mind positive publicity, you'll give her a glowing review; if she's good and doesn't want any publicity, you'll respect her wishes and not post anything; but if she's bad, you'll post a negative review, regardless. I know that's pretty pointed, but if it comes down to business tactics, can you fight fire with fire and still get decent attention even if you know she's merely "doing business"?

I would not mention the Internet. They all know about the boards and both the girls and the management read this forum, the Roemer and a few others. Those that don't, talk with those that do. There are a few ladies who are proud of there board popularity, but as a rule, most girls do not like being talked about on these boards. Mention that you post or threaten that you will post a bad report, and there is a distinct possibility that a room full of girls will shun you. Also many of these girls have good memories and if you return, then you will be known as the guy who writes about them on the Internet. Some guys get away with this, but I have had girls point men out to me and say; "I don't like him. He writes about us girls on Internet."

You are better off trusting your judgement and being a nice guy.

As far as countering upsells goes, what if I tell her something to the effect of "I may be willing to pay for more during a second session if I am pleased with the first session"? Will that help make for a better first session, even if she is a processor?

Probably not. If she is a processor, then she is a processor and when you try that line, then most likely she will try to finish you off quickly and move on to the next guy. You are probably not going to change her work ethic.

Lastly, I only speak English and I know that's to my disadvantage. This may be a cheesy idea but what if I give her a little card reading something like "Ich bin bereit, für mehr während eines zweiten Treffens zu zahlen, wenn ich das erste Treffen genieße? "? (By the way, if these do *not* say something along the lines of "I may be willing to pay for more during a second session if I enjoy the first session", anyone who knows German and/or Russian, please feel free to offer corrections.)

A little German-skill would not hurt, but rather than carrying flash cards, you would be better off carrying a confident (not arrogant) attitude. Most of the girls have some basic English and those that do not will figure out some way to communicate with you. I would think that the flash card deal would scream "Newbie" to every girl and make you an easy mark for those would take advantage of you.

The one hour rule that was suggested earlier is a good one. You will be approached in that one hour and if you politely let the girls know that you want to relax and wait a bit, despite the hard sell that some will give you, then you will show the girls in the club that you are a discriminating buyer and no fool to be taken advantage of. Also try to session with a few tried and true good ones that are talked about on this board. Linda is a treat. She will offer to up-sell the session, but she is OK if you politely say no. Dilara is an attractive Turkish girl in her thirties who is a great session. If Inna is there (devilishly attractive Bulgarian with a great body) then you cannot go wring with her. There is a Romanian named Georgia (actually she is going by another name at Palace and it escapes me right now) who speaks very good English and is a very good session.

I hope that these girls are still there. I am still on a Palace strike and have not been there since the price increase.

Good luck, relax and have fun.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Turnkey13

02-23-07, 19:15

I found myself in Frankfurt. Well I actually planned the trip.

I arrived at the Fleming hotel which is literally next door to the Palace From the back entrance all you do is walk out to the street, cross the driveway and you’re there. I paid 91 euros and being so close was well worth it.

I arrived at the hotel about 11: 30 and refrained from going to the Palace as there were a lot of empty parking spots. Plus I had serious jet lag so I dozed for an hour or two. Finally about 16: 30 I went in.

Not at all what I expected and I’m attributing that to arriving still somewhat early. Many women, but not a lot of men. At first, no one really hit on me. Plenty of casual eye contact and a couple of "brushes", but nothing resembling aggressive even though the women greatly outnumbered the men by about 2 to 1. Plus I was tagged as a Newbie from the very beginning when I asked a question at the entrance desk. From what I’ve read on this forum, I was expecting a lot more aggressive behavior especially seeing the ratio of men to women.

After about 30 min, I linked up with a Cuban woman who said her name was MyLyn. I’m sure that’s not how it’s spelled though. Maybe 5’2" (couldn’t tell with the heels), smaller breasts, perky nipples, darker complexion, long brown/black hair and great white teeth. She spoke fairly good English. Says she’s 24 and has been in Germany for 6 years. No up sell what-so-ever. We talked at the coffee bar about 20 minutes (no roaming hands. Damn! ) about Fidel & Roual and then I decided to start the session in the Kino. Only a couple of minutes of sucking me and then she wanted to go to a room. I was kind of disappointed in that, but off we went. (at that hour the Kino was dead. A couple of guys alone and a pair of women). In the room, decent BBBJ, licking balls, but she kept asking if I wanted to fuck her. I declined and went to a 69 which was OK with her. I stayed down on her and she was becoming wet and she became a little more aggressive licking my balls and sucking my cock. She allowed fingering, but really didn’t kiss. Definitely no DFK.

Anyway, the session went 20 minutes which surprised the hell out of me. . For a first time I thought it would be more like 5 minutes.

Overall Impressions. Cool place and I’m going to go back for round 2 and 3 later after another nap. Extremely important to stand your ground with the women. After my session, I was chilling out and was approached a couple of times by a couple of very tall, shorter hair blondes. One had tattoos galore which is a turn off for me. But overall, I didn’t have any real problems telling them I wasn’t interested at the moment.

I left at 1800 and will go back around 2100 for rounds 2 and maybe 3 and I’m hoping for better Kino action.

Henio

02-23-07, 20:24

Phantxtc

I agree with most of what has been said here. Only thing I would advice against is to bring a list of names or try to find a specific girl from description and I tell you why:

a) About the only girl you are gonna recognise from descriptions is Linda and that is only because she has humongous jugs. If you are in doubt, it is not her.

b) Trying to figure out who is who from your list instead of just soaking in the atmosphere and having fun is a waste of your FKK time. It is great if you have someone with you who knows the ropes of who is who, but if not, just let it be and go on to discover your own gems. Remember these girls are pretty human and many of them do perform differently from guy to guy. Some of the best in the business have no reports on them

Do wear a watch and take a look at it when the girl notices at the start of the session, don't go to hard on your selection interview, smile, be courteous and nice to the girls (even when turning them down) and you will have a blast. IMO, don't mention the interenet period. Plead total ignorance, oh and yeah, do say you are regularly in the area on business (this applies to all P4P establishments/areas in the world :-)

If you happen to have a substandard session, don't think much about it, leave it behind and focus on the good time yet to come. Too advanced avoidance technique with third degree interviews will probably do more damage than good.

Chivaz

Alroy

02-24-07, 04:23

I spent a very nice Tuesday evening at the Palace and enjoyed all the ladies very much especially a French/German girl who spoke 8 languages who was the best kisser and gave amazing head.

started with a Romanian girl with very striking eyes who was playing with her pussy when I sat down next to her. We chatted for awhile, she was very businesslike but assured me that she gave really good blow jobs so I decided to start the eveing with her. I made her cum first after 15 mins of DATY and she had to be left alone for 5 mins after that as she said she could not bear being touched right after an orgasm. But she was very enthusiastic and very skillful in her oral work and made me cum in her mouth which very rarely happens. She was willing to wait for me to recover so I could have intercourse as well -- I decided to save it for the next girl and what a girl she was. All this for 50E though I'm sure we were together for at least 45 mins if not more.

Cecile the French German was just a really nice comfortable affair, a soft maybe slightly full body but lovely lips and and a great attitude. Also really smart -- I bet a lot smarter than most of her customers (she is a college student). She got really really wet and oozy when I was going down on her and sucked my balls, dick with a finesse and skill that was wonderful to watch. She was also really great to have sex with willing and properly responsive, nice noises when you were stroking and making you really feel that you were a guy who had just lucked out and was making it out with this really smart pretty babe. After lots of positions I finally came in her arms and kissed her deeply as I orgasmed. There was no talk of money ever and I felt that I had to give her 100 at least -- I'm sure that we spent 60-70 mins together not counting the necking that we did before we went into the room.

The last girl -- a skinny Russian was the least fun but maybe becuase I had been through a couple rounds but she did try hard and it felt very different afterthe more fully figured women and was nice in a different way. we pounded furiously for a bit and she finally had to suck/jerk me off which she did with profesional willingness.

I should have pounced on a black girl who left at 2 AM and also another girl who was a friend of the lovely Cecile as the girls do start leaving after about 1 AM on a weekday night and most o fthe girls who stay behind are kind of desperate.

Anyway a wonderful evening and I left satisfied and would have stayed for one more round if there were more girls I wanted to have left.

Chicafan

02-24-07, 05:55

I made her cum first after 15 mins of DATY and she had to be left alone for 5 mins after that as she said she could not bear being touched right after an orgasm. But she was very enthusiastic and very skillful in her oral work and made me cum in her mouth which very rarely happens. She was willing to wait for me to recover so I could have intercourse as well -- I decided to save it for the next girl and what a girl she was. All this for 50E though I'm sure we were together for at least 45 mins if not more.I would like to take this opportunity to ask your opinions about girl cleanliness. What I saw a lot on my first and only(so far) FKK run was that a lot of girls were having sessions one after the other so fast I couldn't get a good read for whether or not they shower, douche, brush teeth or what between sessions. Most of them seemed to appear after a session then start working again without much time for cleaning up. In the termas of Brazil the girls usually disappear for a little while to get ready and the assumption is they go to freshen up. Along with that, Termas girls are given bi weekly blood tests and bi weekly doctor checkups- they have to pass the checkup to keep working. It's not at all unusual to see girls walking around with band aides on from where blood was drawn. I've always felt comfortable DATY with termas girls where I normally wouldn't with many girls from other venues in Brazil unless I knew the girl and felt comfortable. So I'm just trying to get some opinions on what the girl's habits are, what's required(if anything), or any other thoughts on the subject. It seems to me to really make the sessions better if she likes it too. But along those lines, on my last trip I carried a little vibrator with me and none of the girls wanted anything to do with it which also made me feel like they don't even care about their own pleasure so I wasn't as inclined to get down and dirty with them.

I realize there's not likely to be any standard in the FKKs as the girls are not employees but I'm just throwing it out there for discussion.

Hessen Bub

02-24-07, 09:10

I have never seen Olympia do a public session. Perhaps she does not want to let a room-full of potential customers know how terrible she is.

No Sir, Olympia can do very good sessions. She can do very bad sessions as well, it's all about sympathy and the mood she's in. No public sessions - correct. Maybe next time I'll try to drag her to the cinema ... ;)

But she was very enthusiastic and very skillful in her oral work and made me cum in her mouth which very rarely happens.

....

All this for 50E though I'm sure we were together for at least 45 mins if not more.

45 mins including coming into her mouth for 50 EUR? What was her name? Should have been 100 EUR minimum.

Hessen Bub

Dedalus

02-24-07, 12:24

No Sir, Olympia can do very good sessions. She can do very bad sessions as well, it's all about sympathy and the mood she's in. No public sessions - correct. Maybe next time I'll try to drag her to the cinema ... ;)

Hessen Bub

Hey Man,

Gotta hand it to you with that one. my one and only session with her was several rungs below club standard. Fooled me completely, for she was a sweetheart before we got into the room. Once there, she kept rushing me and was very hectic and stopped after 5 minutes saying that 30 minutes was up. I stopped the session, took her to the front desk, complained and ended up giving her 25 EUR for her troubles.

Don't fuck with Dedalus...

I also know very few people who have had good sessions with her, but that is no matter. If you click with her, then you are a lucky man, for she certainly is a beauty. Hut ab!!!

Cheers,

Dedalus

Henio

02-24-07, 16:02

I.... So I'm just trying to get some opinions on what the girl's habits are, what's required(if anything), or any other thoughts on the subject....
There is no one answer to this. You have girls like Vicky/Regie at Palace/GT who will give increadibly hot and dirty sex, but is then very thorough in her hygenie habits in between sessions, has a special disinfectant soap for her pussy, couple of different things for her throat etc. Then you have a girl like Sunny at Oase that runs to the back, splashes her pussy for a few seconds, applies another layer of body lotion and is back out again. Daniella at World has been known to "forget" to wash properly so better get her at the start of the day ;-). You are right in observing how fast they get back on the floor. That is the best hint.

In most clubs, the doctor will drop by bi-weekly or once a month or so and the girls do "voluntary" testing. You can't demand sex workers in Germany to have tests, but the clubs will usually find a way to get rid of those who do not voluntarely do the tests.

Staff at GT does keep an eye somewhat that the girls clean up in between. After you establish a good rapport with some of the girls, they may tell you who is good and bad with this as well.

Chivaz

Hessen Bub

02-24-07, 16:51

I also know very few people who have had good sessions with her, but that is no matter. If you click with her, then you are a lucky man, for she certainly is a beauty. Hut ab!!!

Oh yes, she is pretty & intelligent. And she knows what she wants (your best = your money). And I can tell you: The training she had during the period she was working as a professional table dancer really pays of in the room. :D Have you seen her dance at Palace? All other girl could take lessons from her.

Hessen Bub

P.S.: Here is a picture, not a good one, she actually looks much better, but it helps to identify her.

Phantxtc

02-24-07, 20:48

Just wanted to thank you gentlemen for the responses to my questions, and for the additional input. A confident, friendly demeanor and trying to avoid the hard-sellers sounds like the way to go. I will do my best to put all your advice to good practice when I'm there and will report back.

Much appreciation to you all. :)

Wdeville

02-24-07, 21:20

Is "take-out" available from any of the Palace girls. Should I find one that's worth heading back to the Fleming hotel next door for an extended private session?

ProfPleasure

02-25-07, 02:26

A newcomers first visit to the Palace.

In late January I made my first visit to the Palace (and first visit to any FKK). I’ve finally come far enough back to Earth that I can write a report. Wow.

First, let me say that I may not be typical of the men using this site, though I’m enormously grateful to you all. I’m a 60ish semi-retired out-of-shape (well, fat) recent widow. I married so young that I was basically an non-participant observer of the sexual revolution. I only strayed outside my marriage after my wife became ill, and only with a few “escorts” here in LA. Enough said; read on or ignore.

I arrived in Frankfurt in the late morning, took a cab to Flemings, checked in, and arrived at the Palace a little after noon. There were perhaps 10-15 men and 15-20 women present. Everything seemed very quiet.

Stephanie, from Italy (22, light brown hair, 34B) was kind enough to give me a tour. I reciprocated by going to a room with her. I suggested we spend a full hour together, which I recommend. She was very enthusiastic, playful, affectionate. We started by exchanging massages, then long deep-kissing and fondling, then a wonderful blow job almost to climax, then a nice cowgirl ride and a finish doggie style. I was spent, and very happy. We finished with her giving me another massage.

I returned from the shower and found the main room even quieter. Stephanie saw me as I walked in and took me under her wing, inviting me to sit with her and her two friends, Patricia and Sylvia. We enjoyed perhaps 15 minutes of chatting, at which point Patricia just kept looking better and better, so off we went to a room.

Patricia (24, from Germany, tall/slim, short blond hair, 32A, tattooed) gave me as good a blow job as I’ve ever had (until later that day). After I spent some time deep-kissing her mouth and her pussy, we finished mish style. A thoroughly lovely half-hour. And I’d tied my personal record of two girls in one day.

Back to the shower, and once again when I returned to the room Stephanie, Patricia and Sylvia waved me over and invited me to join them. While Stephanie went off to get me something to drink, I wondered how much time I’d need before I was ready to do Sylvia. Well, more time than I took, as it turned out. After perhaps 15 minutes of chatting, we went off to a room.

Sylvia (German, of Brazilian ancestry, 20, dark haired, 34A) is very pretty, with a very soft pear shaped ass. But it became clear that she’d been mostly smiling as we hung out because she speaks very little English, and that was more of an issue than I expected as I found that I was less than totally turned on and my dick was a bit tired. Result – a perfectly nice long blow job, but I just wasn’t getting hard enough to screw. Still, hardly the worst half hour (or 50 Euros) I’ve ever spent.

It seemed like a good time to head back to Flemings for a bit, where I took a 90 minute nap and had lunch.

I returned to the Palace about 5:00. It was still pretty quiet. Once again, after showering, I saw Stephanie as I entered the main room, and she greeted me like a long-lost lover. She’d been so much fun the first time, that after hanging around a little I suggested she tell me who she’d most like to have a three-some with and we’d all go to a room. She selected a girl from Poland, whose name I never really caught. She was very pretty, with frissy blond hair. Age 24, breasts larger than I love (36C), but she turned out to be very into the three-some. So somehow in 30 minutes I got a two-mouth blow job, and got ridden doggie twice, coming with Stephanie again.

Then dinner. Not bad food. Great company. I ate with Stephanie and Patricia, who pointed out a girl they thought I’d like for dessert! So I joined Celina (19, German from Koln, longish blond hair, looked like a high-school cheerleader). She was just starting to eat, so we hung out for maybe 30 minutes while she ate, which gave me lots of recovery time. In the room, she purred like a kitten, opened up her wet pussy and begged me to eat it, and altogether moved back and forth between seeming 18 and 25. Coming wasn’t easy (I’d already come 4 times that day), but when I did it was a revelation; a kind of exquisite almost painful sensation as my old balls desperately tried to respond to this tight young pussy. Then, as we were laying there in post-coital bliss, her phone rang. She asked me to be quiet, explaining it was her father (!!), and that he thought she was over at a friend’s house in Koln! Like high school again (except that high school was NEVER like this).

Now the scene was getting busy, and I wanted to be sure my last choice for the day was a good one. Two Latin American girls approached me fairly aggressively (kissing, hand under towel), but they weren’t what I was looking for, and they were nice enough about it. (Hey, never in my wildest dreams did I ever think I’d have two beautiful naked girls in their 20's approach me and tell me they wanted to fuck me, so what the __!!).

Then I saw Regina. Regina (21, 32A, short blond hair, Czek, tiny) is my dream of a great fuck. And when I approached her she fell into my arms and snuggled into my all. We talked, kissed, talked a little more, then started wildly making out. What a thrill. Then, in the center of the room, she started to blow me. Oh my fucking God! Well, I’m not that public I guess, so off to a room for the best blow job and cowgirl of my life (to date). Perfect.

I hope to live a long life, and return to the Palace often, but if I die tomorrow, well I’ve already seen Heaven.

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Euro100

02-25-07, 02:27

NO. Don't even try.

Chicafan

02-25-07, 03:06

A confident, friendly demeanor and trying to avoid the hard-sellers sounds like the way to go.Why do some of these girls sabotage themselves by acting completely offended if you don't have sex with them within 30 seconds of saying "hello, how are you"? I found quite a few acted put-off and it's not like I was trying to take up their time, embarrass them or play games like I was cool. I remember one in Palace acting like I was the plague because I wasn't ready that minute.

Hessen Bub

02-25-07, 11:43

NO. Don't even try.

Why not? Sure it is possible. But you should know the girl a little longer than 30 minutes. I know a lot of guys who have done it, including me.

Hessen Bub

Dedalus

02-25-07, 13:51

Is "take-out" available from any of the Palace girls. Should I find one that's worth heading back to the Fleming hotel next door for an extended private session?It is possible, but you could just book an longer session at Palace and probably come off better on the financial side.

Most people who arrange "dates" with these girls do it with girls who they know somewhat. It does happen and there are a few well-knowns who do this quite frequently. One former FKK star use to clean up money-wise when a particular high-rolling dude would come through Germany. She would sometimes take several days to a week off just two be his "date" and travel mate.

Personally, I would rather invest the dough into the "variety" of the FKK experience. Also the prices for these "dates" don't seem to me worth it, unless the girls is quite special. I know one who takes 400 for three hours. Now, she is great, but that is a fair amount of cabbage to shell out for what will be three pops if I am lucky. Also, I can book her at an FKK for the same amount of time an save 100, and I can space that out to regenerate if need be.

Still, if you click with a lady, then make an offer. She may indeed bite.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Dedalus

02-25-07, 13:53

P.S.: Here is a picture, not a good one, she actually looks much better, but it helps to identify her.Thanks Bub!

I think it is a great shot of her. It is especially interesting to actually see her smile.

Ah, what could be.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Wdeville

02-25-07, 19:04

Henio

02-25-07, 21:35

Thanks for the feedback on the "take out" question guys...more experienced on the escort side of things with longer, multi-hour sessions and will be making my first FKK trip in April.

With only three days to spend, would you advise sticking with Palace for all three or spreading it around to Oase, World, and Palace to experience them all? I won't have a car if that matters.
Personally, if I would not have a car I would probably juat stick to Palace, but thas is mostly due to my lack of interest in going around using public transportation. I understand Oase is not that hard via public transportation so you might want to give that a try for at least one day. Forget about World, too much hassle for such a short trip.

Chivaz

Euro100

02-26-07, 15:12

Why not? Sure it is possible. But you should know the girl a little longer than 30 minutes. I know a lot of guys who have done it, including me.

I have done it too. It's possible, but in my opinion absolutely not worth it. If you do take out in Brazil, for example, then you are getting something extra. The girls usually stay all night, have breakfast with you in your hotel, maybe meet you later at the beach , throw in another freebie. All for around 100 euro for the whole night. I have had situations following TLN where the girl really considered herself my girlfriend while I was in Rio and stopped charging.

I was assuming Wdeville wants that kind of service when he talked about takeout. And it simply is not available in Palace, at least not to somebody who is there for the very first time.

euro

Hessen Bub

02-26-07, 16:03

I was assuming Wdeville wants that kind of service when he talked about takeout. And it simply is not available in Palace, at least not to somebody who is there for the very first time.

True. Palace is not Brazil.

Hessen Bub

Doctor_Skank

02-26-07, 16:07

Has anybody had experience with Palace during "Messezeit"? Is it particularly full during the evenings, subpar hurry-up service with waiting on rooms etc.? Or is it not possible to generalize?

Wanking

02-26-07, 16:10

A newcomers first visit to the Palace.

Brilliant report and lovely writing style....

Ortos

02-26-07, 17:46

Has anybody had experience with Palace during "Messezeit"? Is it particularly full during the evenings, subpar hurry-up service with waiting on rooms etc.? Or is it not possible to generalize?

Alot of people might be tempted to generalise, and just say: Palace during Messezeit? Skip it...And there was the incident in early/mid January '07 where, at the height of the first mega-Messe of the year, the hoards of mongers trying to visit Palace were so vast that they had to stand queing up in the rain, etc.

But a couple of weeks after that, I happened to visit Palace during Messezeit and I found, perhaps surprisingly, rather positive mongering conditons. I found that there was a girl selection to die for and that many of the girls who had come to work the club at this time with high expectations were actually a bit disappointed with the turnout of men. Also I found that Palace had added a dozen or so brand new rooms, which made for hardly any if any room waits.

So I think it can go either way, and I would certainly not dismiss Palace (or Oase) as a venue during Messezeit. I feel so confident in this, I am actually considering a quick trip there in one week, which will coincide with another fairly robust Messe event. Should be fun... If Palace does get overrun, as can happen sometimes, it's not too far to Geissen or even the NRW clubs...

Ortos

Dedalus

02-26-07, 20:23

Has anybody had experience with Palace during "Messezeit"? Is it particularly full during the evenings, subpar hurry-up service with waiting on rooms etc.? Or is it not possible to generalize?

I never liked the long waits for rooms during the big Messe dates and I am still avoiding the place right now. Having said that, I remember having a great time at Palace a few years age during the "Bad und Heizung" Messe. The place was crowded but manageable and it was a great party atmosphere. The Kino was rockin' with people copulating en mass. Some great shows where seen that night.

Palace is a different club now then it was then, but if the stars are correctly aligned, then it could be a good time.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Doctor_Skank

02-26-07, 23:36

Thanks for the advice fellas. I am sure I'll end up there... just too tempting to pass up... :)

Hessen Bub

02-27-07, 08:10

Palace has plus 9 rooms since January 1st, so waiting times are reduced. My advice for those fairs that have an impact on Palace (the big ones): Come early, fuck who you want to fuck until 9 or 10 pm and then either leave or just watch.

Hessen Bub

Death Warrior

02-27-07, 08:13

Was on business in Frankfurt, so natuarally a visit to Palace was first on agenda. Arrived at about 7pm, seemed much quieter than previous visits with a low number of men and also a low number of girls. Intention was to chill for an hour or so and then make the first choice. However, within 10 mins of sitting down, Marcia from Brazil approached. Normal small chit chat as she sat on top of me. She started to DFK and worked her way down under towel and started a BBBJ..so first session was committed. Asked if I wanted to continue in lounge or in room. Off to the room we went, excellent continuation of BBBJ with plenty of attention to balls, lots of DFK during sex. Tried to upsell to the hour. An really good session from a girl I would not have normally picked.

Needed (alot) to time to recover, so relaxed for about 1.5 hrs. It also started to pickup, with many more men arriving and more importantly more girls. Saw Czech Linda, who does look much better with blonde hair and slimmer figure. The girl is like a machine and is constantly busy, as experienced once before she does provide an excellent service.

Next up was Alida from Romainia, petite gir with a tatoo of an Ankh on her lower back. I'm not sure if I had had her before, but I remembered her. Her small frame sitting on top of me gently caressing took care of the second session. An excellent choice again, with lots of DFK, BBBJ, ball licking and sex in several positions.

The last session was with Romainian Diana after a much longer recovery time, she had approached earlier when I was relaxing after having returned from the first session. This was an OK session, not as good as the first two, as the BBBJ was not so deep and I also think due to me (age is catching up with me now), however I would still recommend.

BlueScott

02-27-07, 10:12

Dvorak,

Sorry for the delay in responding to your question.

No, I'm pretty sure they are not. The wonderful girl I spent time with was a true spinner. She was wearing 5inch platform shoes and was still easily the one of the shortest women in Palace. She was italian and obviously very well educated.

She had long light brown hair that reached just to nipple height. This is remarkable because she had some of the lightest colored nipples I've seen. They were almost the same color as the skin around them.

On lingere day she was wearing a yellow skirt that was so short that it was nothing more than a ruffle around her waist. Nothing was covered. She wore a matching bikini top and a huge smile.

The most easiest way to identify her in the club was by her shoes. They were so tall with her short stature that she tied them on with long ribbons that she wrapped around her legs to her knees.

[QUOTE=Dvorak1]Could Diana (GoodTime Man post), Miryam (Vompat post), and the girl BlueScott described below be the same girl? If so, I'd like to know more information so I can spot her the next time I'm in Frankfurt (no need to give her name if she doesn't want to have it posted -- or BlueScott can send me a Private Message to help me out).

BlueScott

02-27-07, 10:25

FKK literally means Nudist Club. Of course we know and love the FKK Sauna clubs for the nude women, and the recreation, but for us it means much more than nudity.
On "Dessous" days the women actually put on some clothes. It varies from woman to woman but imagine fishnet, various lingere, bikinis, etc to try and enhance or advertise the strengths.

Someone more fluent in German than I might have some additional input but that is the most significant difference I've found on those days.

Enjoy, because it's all good at the FKK.

I saw in the palace website that every monday they have a straps party -
"STRAPS-PARTY....DESSOUS-PARTY ....jeden Montag STRAPS-PARTY ....jeden Mittwoch DESSOUS-PARTY ....die sexy Ladies im THE PALACE in....in heissen Strapsen, erotischen DESSOUS....und heissen Fummeln ....Sie betצren Dich....Sie verfhren Dich"

Does any one experienced this? and description on what does it mean?

Thanks

Cheetah440

02-27-07, 16:40

Lina - I had a mixed session with her. She caught me relaxing about 10mins after a session. She is very attractive and gives a very good bj. After 10 mins of doggie I could tell she was getting annoyed so I just kept fucking her harder. Had her blow me for about 20 mins and she didn't complain a bit. She says she prefers bj's and anal.hmmm. I'll repeat and take her up on her favorites next time for sure.

Olympia - She was trying to get me to do a double with another Romanian. I told her I would try her first. I'll say she was rather enthusiastic and I had no complaints at all. She was a little spinner. Great bj, multiple positions. When I finished doggie she did say she would have loved me to finish in her mouth. Said I should give her $100 anyway. I said, I'll give you $50, next time $100.

She called me a bandit. Ha. All in all I enjoyed it. I'm not looking to fall in love, just a good fuck with a hot chick.

Had a few other less memorable sessions. This was from back in November. Looking forward to returning very soon.

BraveBoy79

03-02-07, 02:28

My first visit to any FKK in Germany was in Palace earlier today. I am so fascinated and satisfied with the visit that I can't help sharing. I have been to other redlight areas in other parts of the Europe, but those are all rip-offs.

Reached at 7 PM taking a long walk from Messe to Palace. It took good 30 minutes, on map it looked closer. :-( Reached at Palace at 7:30, lady at counter greeted me and asked me if it is my first time here. I nodded. She clearly explained pricing structure, rules and terms. Very fair. I paid e75 to enter. Another lady escorted me inside, showed me lockers, showers, buffett, seating area and briefed about how things work here. Impressed again by this professional attitude.

The ration f/m was good 3-1 in the beginning which started to get worse as time passed. Sat on a couch for few minutes, girls started to come and sit with me to chat briefly. I took my time to select and chose a wonderful Romanian girl, 22 years and good body. She sat in my lap and started to kiss me deep. My little one was getting ready quickly. After some playing, she took me to the room and started to perform. Good GFE and no indication of hurry or money in between. Went great bbbj, and all position sex. After finishing we came out, I took shower and settled with a drink. Went to see check-out movie room, liked atmosphere. XXX movies helped me alot to regain quickly. I could see at least 3 couples doing serious stuff while lying around. One couple was actually busy in the final act with full sound effects. At times it was difficult to differentiate if the sounds were coming off movie or from the hall. Good fun to watch 3 acts at the same time :-)

Went out on hunt again and saw an impressive Greek petite girl. I think 21 years old, short black hair and loves DFK. Again in a room and finished in 20 minutes.
It was almost 10 now, took shower and saw buffett getting ready. Deserved to eat, as I had earned my dinner. Menu was lousy, only low rating area at Palace, I think. Anyway, ate whatever found, was starving. Had few drinks and a couple of Capaccinos. All of this gave me good energy to catch another bird. This time I got the girl I had my eyes on. She is Yogusalavian, 22, her name is Lara. What body man! Anyone can get a hardon with her one look only. Sexy lips, 5-10 tall, firm breasts, tight nipples, shaved tasty pussy with all variations in layers and skin as soft as silk. We tried to get a room but all were busy, she took me to VIP lounge. Started with bbbj, the best one I have ever got. It was hard to control (mind it this was my 3rd session of the evening). We continued the final act for good longer time, I could see she was enjoying too (or faking!).

After finishing my 3rd course (the best of all three), I decided to take shower and head back to hotel with lovely memories.

All in all I spent e225 during all evening, but what a great value.

Looking forward to be back in this place later.

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Alex P Keaton

03-03-07, 02:34

Laura from Italy . . . was curiously looking at a customer who was sitting on one of the couches, reading a book. She was probably wondering what he was there for . . . That was probably me. I bring a book with me every time I go. Ha, I'm famous!

What I was there for was to (1) pace myself between the three sessions I would have that day, (2) observe the attitudes and performances of the girls who were there based on their interactions with other customers, (3) wait for additional girls to arrive, (4) get a sense of the friendliness, conversation skills, and intelligence of the few girls who were bold enough to come over to chat with me about the book I was reading, and (5) convey the impression that I would rather read a good book than have a bad session. Cheers!

ProfPleasure

03-03-07, 23:37

What was the book?

Uzinuzin

03-04-07, 16:00

M P Lurker

03-05-07, 08:59

That was probably me. I bring a book with me every time I go. Ha, I'm famous!

What I was there for was to (1) pace myself between the three sessions I would have that day, (2) observe the attitudes and performances of the girls who were there based on their interactions with other customers, (3) wait for additional girls to arrive, (4) get a sense of the friendliness, conversation skills, and intelligence of the few girls who were bold enough to come over to chat with me about the book I was reading, and (5) convey the impression that I would rather read a good book than have a bad session. Cheers!
I wanted to take in my laptop computer (with no camera) but was not allowed. I guess I will have to fallback to a book next time as 2nd preference (thanks for the idea). Its a pity to totally waste a recovery period of 2 hours if can't sleep. Perhaps they will still want to check for hidden cameras.

Ekliges Lauern

03-05-07, 12:16

I have booked to vist Palace over this Easter. As far as I know there are no messe and all Germany is closed on Good Friday, Easter Sunday and Easter Monday. I heard that FKK clubs (including Palace) are normally very quite (now that I don't quite understand. Everyone is off work and then clubs are quite! ). But how quite are we talking about here? Anyone has any firsthand experience from last year or previous years? (I'm only interested in Palace).I was at Palace last year on Good Friday weekend. Yes, it was quiet, but in my mind not as quiet as the days leading in to New Years Eve. Still a decent selection available. I did go on Easter morning trying to get a couple of rounds in before my flight and there were only three girls there, so I wouldn't bother with Easter morning, but otherwise, the selection was find.

I'll be there this year Good Friday evening and Saturday. I'f you see a big guy perpetually parked in the Kino in the corner, on high far away from the door, that will be me.

Nick The G

03-05-07, 13:26

.....over this Easter. I heard that FKK clubs (including Palace) are normally very quite (now that I don't quite understand. Everyone is off work and then clubs are quite! ).It's easy: many people stay at home with their families celebrating easter. ("home fucking is killing prostituition").

Dedalus

03-05-07, 15:25

What was the book?

"The Happy Hooker" perhaps?

Cheers,

Dedalus

Iseeu

03-06-07, 01:08

"The Happy Hooker" perhaps?

Cheers,

Dedalus
Actually it was "FKK for Dummies".

LOL- a book at a club. Did you take the book to the zimmmer with you and read her to sleep?

Guys- How you spend your time between sessions is just as important for ensuring a good experience as the time you spend in the session. Look around, speak with the various creatures inhabiting the ecosystem, make allies for later, gather information, hunt, plan your next encounter, soak up the unique atmosphere.

Read at home.

Ekliges Lauern

03-06-07, 02:25

Guys- How you spend your time between sessions is just as important for ensuring a good experience as the time you spend in the session. Look around, speak with the various creatures inhabiting the ecosystem, make allies for later, gather information, hunt, plan your next encounter, soak up the unique atmosphere.I could not agree more. Talk to a few of the lovelies, but let them know firmly that you are not ready for a session. Observe. Pick your target list for the next round. Observe in the Kino if that is your thing. Observe in the common room as they go to the lockers and see if the guys they are with look happy and are interacting with them. Then when you are ready, take the plunge with someone you have observed. This method will weed out most of the Laufhaus ladies.

Wdeville

03-06-07, 05:57

I was also planning a visit the Thu, Fri, and Sat leading up to Easter. Wasn't even thinking of the impact on availability, selection, and quality, but sounds like it might. The question is, how much impact? I'd hate to go all that way and find only a handful of ladies, and less than stellar quality.

Another question about leaving and coming back as an option to hanging out all day. Sounds like you can get a stamp to return later in the day if you want. Is that true? Might beat reading a book.

Chicafan

03-06-07, 17:45

I could not agree more. Talk to a few of the lovelies, but let them know firmly that you are not ready for a session. Observe. Pick your target list for the next round.It doesn't seem that easy. They usually want a session right then or they walk away then hardly look at you later. Sometimes even after a very hot session they still act snotty outside. I agree it's easy enough to observe but the girls don't seem to want to establish much of a rapport. They can seem quite bitchy considering the presumption is they want you to choose them. It's really strange.

ProfPleasure

03-07-07, 00:26

Sounds like you can get a stamp to return later in the day if you want. Is that true?

Yes, Just ask as you leave.

Rain City

03-07-07, 04:59

I agree with Chicafan. Some girls seem like not wanting to establish any rapport with you. And probably those are the girls who want to go to a room right away, finish it in 5 minutes, and move on to the next target. They are either just stupid or too arrogant, IMHO. In either case, I don't think you can get a GFE with those girls. So no broken heart there.

I personally did not have any girl who acted snotty after a hot session. Ony the WOM and WOT acted that way after a session with them. But your experience might be different from mine.

Chicafan

03-07-07, 17:32

I personally did not have any girl who acted snotty after a hot session. Ony the WOM and WOT acted that way after a session with them. But your experience might be different from mine.Maybe "snotty" is the wrong word. It's that they act no different than before the session, like there's no bond between you still. I'm not looking for a lot but at least a smile or some eye contact when they walk bye later. I have a feeling some of the behavior is more of a defensive thing; their job is not easy. But I'm not sure how to have fun with them when the wall is up. It's not at all like I ask for a lot of attention before the session but there seems to be this "take me now or I don't even have time to slow down and talk" from a lot of them. Now, I should mention that I did speak with some of the girls, especially the latinas, and hold some decent conversation. It just so happens I did not feel like doing those girls. Maybe I'm just drawn to the colder, hot ones.

I need to do some kind of report on my visit last week.

Rogers

03-07-07, 22:41

Late report - Feb

1. Wrote down her name but now can't read my own writing! Romainian, brunette, voloptous to thick body, big boobs, hangs out with Olympia - AVOID! Session was quick.

2. Olympia - I was surprised to read some of the reviews on her after I had my session with her. I had the opposite experience. Maybe she's changing because word is getting out on some of her bad sessions. Anyway, I did not know who she was because I didn't do my homework and read some reviews. It's for the better because I could have potentially avoided her. Brunete,short, slim, Romainian - Angel like face. Went in room and she initiates DFK - must have spent 5-10min at this. Oracl, sex, CIM - 1 hr. Asked me to come back tomorrow - I didn't! Went to World instead.

Ekliges Lauern

03-08-07, 03:02

It doesn't seem that easy. They usually want a session right then or they walk away then hardly look at you later. Sometimes even after a very hot session they still act snotty outside. I agree it's easy enough to observe but the girls don't seem to want to establish much of a rapport. They can seem quite bitchy considering the presumption is they want you to choose them. It's really strange.Well, if you are like me, not young but not old, they will believe you that you are not ready. Turn them down with a smile, and a look in your eye as if you may want to fuck them later. Remember, they are women and they have egos too. No woman wants to think that a man doesn't want to fuck her. Key is to give off the vibe that bodily fluids and wallet willing, you'd try them all out.

How they react to polite rejection with the vague possibility of a later session tells you alot about a woman. Another point, if you repeat with a couple of the women, it will get around. As a potential repeat customer, your desirability goes up and if the lady realizes you are likely to repeat if you like the session, you'll likely get friendlier, better service. A couple of my repeat ladies have introduced their friends and I have had generally good sessions that way. I'm pretty sure the women introduced have gone out of their way to try to snag me as a regular. Last thing you want them to think is that you are a tourist that they will never see again.

HectorG

03-08-07, 11:07

I understand this place does not serve alcohol. But I enjoy a beer or two between sessions. Is there a pub within walking distance where I can go to "rest up" in between girls?

Akibono

03-08-07, 15:33

I understand this place does not serve alcohol. But I enjoy a beer or two between sessions. Is there a pub within walking distance where I can go to "rest up" in between girls?Flemmings hotel is right next to the club. They have a restaurant and bar.

Viscount

03-08-07, 23:54

Flemmings hotel is right next to the club. They have a restaurant and bar.Also if you get the street car back to Bockenhiemer warte,and go to Doctor Flottes,a superb old pub,with lots of diiferent beers on tap,one of Frankfurts greatest,the address is Grafstrasse 87,very easy to find from the station
web site www.doctor-flotte.com.

Hope that helps

Best regards,

Viscount

Bigvern69

03-09-07, 13:25

Hi, there everyone, Irish FKK veteran is around in Frankfurt this weekend.

I will be visiting Palace, Oase and World was wondering if any one wanted to tag along?

I have been to them all before and any reccomendations on any special events or the best days to attend this weekend would be welcomed

Also I have noticed that World is having a FASCHINGS PARTY tomorrow. I am not a native German and was wondering what sort of party this is.

If you do I will be in FKK Palace tonight at around 18: 00 can't wait. It has been 6 months since I have been to Palace.

Happy times

Bigvern

HectorG

03-09-07, 17:02

Sure does. Thanks for all the help. Looking forward to my trip next month, my first time ever to an FKK.

Warsteiner

03-09-07, 21:01

Also I have noticed that World is having a FASCHINGS PARTY tomorrow. I am not a native German and was wondering what sort of party this is.The Faschingsparty is a carnival party (fasching = carnival). I've had a quick look at the World site and this took place on the 10th Feb (02.10.2007 European date format), which was the carnival time.

It looks like they haven't updated the English speaking part of the site as on the German part they're advertising a trip to Las Vegas.

I'm sure you'll have a good time anyway and don't forget to write a report.

Bigvern69

03-11-07, 14:34

Well it has been a long weekend but not a bad one. THought I would let you know how the grand tour went. Palace, Oase, World in that order.

Palace: Probably the last time I go there. Sorry to be so negative about this place but it is simply not enjoyable any more.

1st They have put their prices up, entrance is now 75 Euro. I was really looking forward to going to this place as it has been my favourite for a long time, however I left within 30 minutes here is why.

Paid my entrance and went to get changed. Already I should have know better, the ratio of guysd to girls was around 2: 1. This means that the power in the market belongs to the sellers. The girls. Within 15 minutes I heard 4 different girls say to potential customers, don't do that, don't touch me, don't do that here, you can't touch me until your in the room.

None of the girls appeared to be approaching customers, all the guys were doing the work. !

In fairness the selection of girls was good there were some lookers, but if I want bitchy women I will get married and live with one. Felt particulalr turned off and left. Last time I go there.

My idea in a brothel is that any thing should go except abuse. So if I go in with cash to spend I can at least expect at least a professional attitude. In return I do not expect to come out with any money!

Unless Palace correct this attitude as this is the second time I have experienced this. I cannot see this being a success int the future.

Oase and World were a different story, 6 girls amazing blow jobs, never had my cock felt so randomly by so many young enthusiastic attractive women. NOW THESE PLACES ROCK: but more later.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Ortos

03-12-07, 00:09

BigVern,

I was also at Palace, a club I know very well, on several occassions last week. If you were there on Thurs or Fri then your comments do describe the club. But this is NOT the normal situation there. It IS the normal situation during a large Messe event. (Did you not notice how obscenely expensive hotel rooms were inside FFM last week?)

I think it only proper to point out that the negative mongering conditions at Palace last week (the bad man/girl ratio, the different approach of the girls, etc.) were directly the result of the Messe and the huge number of (mostly Italian) men in town for the trade fair.

Last night, for example, was a completely different situation at Palace: back to the normal Mello club with very favourable conditions and a great line-up. There was lots of fondling going on in the right corners of the club. It was a really great night at Palace last night, in contrast to the miserable environment earlier in the week, as you correctly reported.

By the way, I should mention that I did discover some positive aspects to visiting Palace during the height of this Messe crowd: If you choose the right girl to session with, all during the 30min+ wait for the room, you can have some really good kissing and cudling and heavy petting on the sofas and even single-person love chairs in the corridor of the new wing of rooms...

Ortos

Crazy Travel

03-12-07, 07:17

BigVern,

Of the Messe and the huge number of (mostly Italian) men in town for the trade fair.

OrtosNot all italian are bad :-))) Unluckily, for example, I was not there.

I'm joking of course.

Ciao from Italy

Doctor_Skank

03-12-07, 11:49

My contribution to the subject...

Recently I couldn't help myself and went to Palace during one of the Messe days. The Messe for those who don't know is a trade fair... could be any number of trade fairs from automobiles, to plastics to books. Messe happens many times a year and when it does, Frankfurt is temporarily transformed. In any case, the "messe" brings a lot of businessmen to Frankfurt and while Messe is on, things like hotels become more expensive, restuarants are fully booked and FKK clubs get very busy.

Even though I knew this, I was determined to visit Palace just out of curiousity. I also knew that Monday and Tuesday were probably more or less normal days in terms of male traffic, but that Wed-Fri would be very full. Nonetheless, I had to try and did... arriving about midnight on Thursday night.

It was worse than I thought it could be.

First of all, I like the club layout. Quite large, with interesting "zones" ranging from sauna, to bars, to "chill out" to a "kino" theatre. Regrettably beer was not served, but this is only a minor drawback.

The problem was really shortage of rooms and too many men. I would estimate the m/f ratio to be at least 3:1... but maybe even as high as 5:1. Just looking at the common areas where people sit, the estimate could have been even 10:1... :(

One would think that this would be a seller's market, and in some ways it is, but it really is detrimental to the girls as well since they often have to wait up to 30 minutes just to get a room. There are only about 30 rooms at Palace, and with some guys choosing double or triple sessions to avoid the crowds outside the rooms, it seems that only 15 or so rooms were experiencing any turnover.

I spoke to some of the girls and they told me that supposedly 90 girls were working that night... I don't believe it. I only saw about 25 faces, and assuming another 30 were occupied, that puts the number at about 55-60.

The girls themselves were quite OK, but unspectacular. The best were the Romanians in terms of looks... at least in my opinion. A couple of big-titted Germans added to the mix, as well as some chicas.

I ended up selecting a Romanian, having turned down a few chicas that had approached me.

My girl was about 1,65 tall, slender with dyed-blonde hair and a nice face... including the Romanian nose. :) She claimed to be German at first, but was Romanian. She goes by "Chiara". I choose her for some intangible reason, having already blown off the too-aggressive chicas and another Romanian girl who was too mercenary for my taste. Chiara and I hit it off quite well chatting while waiting for a room, both of us a bit annoyed having to sit in a hallway with 6 other couples but using the time to get to know each other.

My tiredness and her "tough girl" attitude somehow harmonized very very well. While other couples joked around boisterously and loudly, we sat somewhat solemnly together talking about the club, life and other existential things. Our sex was reserved but somehow very honest, she making a real effort to please me with a long active blow job and sex in as many positions as I wanted. I wanted to last the full 30 minutes, but while banging her doggy from behind looking in the mirror watching my cock disappear repeatedly again and again into her divine pale white body, 5 days a jism buildup in my body ready to explode...well, I just couldn't hold back. I laughed about having broken the Palace record by coming in exactly 12 minutes. Interestingly enough, even though she wouldn't kiss me on the lips before or during the sex, she spontaneously started tongue kissing me afterwards in a tender way. Maybe she felt sorry for me.. but I think it was just a positive response to the honest low-key conversation we had.

Afterwards I sat at the bar again and she came up to me and gave me another kiss on the lips. Perhaps it was a business decision on her part to get me to be a regular, but it felt sweet anyway.

In any case, my final verdict on Palace is still pending.

Drawbacks include the 75 € entrance (too much really) and the overcrowded nature during "Messe".

Pluses include the club layout, above-average selection of girls and central Frankfurt location.

I'll try it again under different circumstances.

Dreams

03-12-07, 12:10

With regards to previous posts:

I have been to Palace more than once, while on business in FFM. I could not therefore choose the dates, and whteher there was a Messe or not.

To be short, all reports are correct; It's awful when there are twice as many guys as women, and it's wonderful when the ratio is the opposite.
My last visit was in mid feb, and I had my best ever evening at Palace. From 6 pm to 2 am, four excellent sessions, and a lot of talking, fondling with many others girls while recovering between sessions,. It was a buyer's market, never waited for rooms, a lot of action in the kino, since the girls had to work hard to get sessions..

Having little time, Palace has for me the advantage to be in town, I don't need to rent a car etc.. Also i prefer the lay out in Palace as compared to oase and world. In these last 2 you have to constantly walk around to see what happens. At Palace, just sit strategically at the bar, and you control everything...

Speedy

03-12-07, 12:23

Hey guys.
Loving the reports.
I am off there in the next week, so for me Its biased in the sense that I dont know what to expect next week.
will the girls go off elsewhere because they have just been at palace for a week or will they stay ;-(

Still dont know which to choose for next week.
Confusion!

Ortos

03-12-07, 14:10

hey guys.
loving the reports.
i am off there in the next week, so for me its biased in the sense that i dont know what to expect next week.
will the girls go off elsewhere because they have just been at palace for a week or will they stay ;-(

still dont know which to choose for next week.
confusion!

i really don't know what all the confusion is about. as dreams just said, during normal (non-messe) nights, palace is top-notch. if you must go during messe, here's a tip: go early, around 16.00 and the conditions will be rather good, getting bad after 21.00.

the reports of 3:1 guy/girl ratio validly describe palace during messe. (btw: i think there were indeed well over 60 girls working at palace during the messe last week, so a report of 90 might not be total fantasy. and there were many very stunning girls, often getting snatched up as soon as they finished a session!). but if there is no major messe next week, i would put palace on top of my list. lots of the girls seen at palace last week are from the ffm area, so they work week in and week out. i noticed that some other girls, who are more or less regular workers at palace, but who come down for multi-day work stints from places like dusseldorf, etc., actually were absent during the messe. they clearly wished to avoid the over-run club. in fact, i asked several girls on weds and thurs nights whether they thought such crowds were a positive thing for the working girls or a negative thing. almost all answered that they found it very negative. yes there were plenty of guys, but there was too much competition from other girls, the environment was quiet stressfull and, at least two girls commented, lots of the guys are just coming to look but not session....

what a contrast from palace at it's normal quiet best. even last saturday night, the first night post-messe, was such a joy compared to the other days in the week. so it is easy to get a false impression about this club if you visit during the wrong (messezeit) time....

ortos

Speedy

03-12-07, 15:39

Hey Ortos,
Thanks for your input.
I completely understand what you are saying.
And i think ill go back to palace even though I have not tried out the other clubs such as Oase, GT, world etc.
Seems like you cant really go wrong.

Chicafan

03-12-07, 16:20

I like how they play songs from different cultures and the girls representing that culture dance. I like the food layout and think they put a little more into their menu, even though it tastes like cafeteria food for the most part-it's edible, just not great. I like some of the girls, especially the Romanians. I've spent three nights at Palace and their weren't Messes in town. It was great imo. Even in non Messe weeks I notice it gets busy by about 10-11pm and the girls seem to dry up a little- they're just sessioning. I really recommend getting their early to get a couple sessions before the girls disappear or have a waiting list.

For me, the new facilities they've added(massage room, relax room, steam) are terrific. It also seemed like the smoke was not nearly as bad two weekends ago compared to December and that's a big plus for me. I'm not saying they deserve 75E entrance but I would bet their thinking is that they upgraded, and it's more convenient than driving, cabbing, or transporting yourself by other means to Oase and World.

I just like the Palace and like someone said below, you don't have to get up and walk around to make sure you're not missing anything the way Oase and World seem to push you towards. They're all great places, I just find Palace much more convenient and the sessions I had really make it a dream for me. If I went back and my four favorite girls were working I'd be in heaven.

Two girls I like there are Kim(tall beautiful German). She's a cross between Heidi Klum and Kate Moss in way. She's mentioned in a report below and it's true, she's a very beautiful girl, if not stunning.

Alana(sp?)(dark haired, Romanian, nice B-C tits, decent face, came alive in the room). The only problem with Alana is the attitude/never smiles outside the room.

There are two other girls at Palace I adore I cannot remember names(sorry). One girls is Czech or Romanian and simply has a killer body and beautiful face. She's a stud. You'll see her dancing once or twice a night. She's just built as well as I could ask for, has a wonderful face, speaks pretty good English. There's also a dark haired Romanian girl and I believe her name is Mona. She was great too. Sorry I cannot be more specific though. These girls tell me their names three times and I still forget.

On the negative side- there's a tall Romanian with a great body and she has a lot of personality, even dances a lot on stage and while standing around with her friends. I forget her name but she speaks very little English if any. She was horrible in the room. She just doesn't understand how to "make love". She never lets you relax; stops giving BJ abruptly and starts to slide condom on even though you're saying you want more BJ and that you like it; she phucks too hard so that you worry if you slide out she'll fracture your boy, etc. Then at the end she asks you over and over if it was good. Even if she just judges body language and tone she'd know what you like and don't like. When she stops giving BJ after just a few minutes and you say you want more, point to he mouth and to your boy and start to nudge her gently down again and she just shrugs and keeps putting on the condom what are you supposed to think? She's either stupid or just a bad performer at this point. I doubt she wants to be bad or she wouldn't ask over and over if it was good, like she cares. But someone that speaks Romanian needs to give her some advice. After about 15 minutes I was praying I could just get out of the room.

If I had the dough I would stay at Flemings next door. I mean, it's right next door to Palace. But I can stay by the train station for about 55E or at Flemings for 120E and I have to pick the less expensive option at this point. Leaving at will and returning would be a really great thing.

Iloveblackass

03-13-07, 13:58

Hi guys, nice to meet you all.

As you can see I adore black girls, african type: big lips and small asses.

What about black girls in PALACE?

Thanks a lot, I trying to search on this thread but it's enormous, more than 100 pages.

Hessen Bub

03-13-07, 16:08

my girl was about 1,65 tall, slender with dyed-blonde hair and a nice face... including the romanian nose. :) she claimed to be german at first, but was romanian. she goes by "chiara". .

beautiful girl, service is standard. she was at oase and world before.

on the negative side- there's a tall romanian with a great body and she has a lot of personality, even dances a lot on stage and while standing around with her friends. i forget her name but she speaks very little english if any.

[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) maybe? if not, [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) definetly too is to be avoided, bad service, stunning body.

hessen bub

Johnny Darko

03-13-07, 19:27

Have not been here for a while...nothing to report...

A few months ago somebody was keeping a list of potentially bad providers at Palace. Would somebody who has taken care to record it please post it again.

Moreover, would experienced Palace mongerers provide their (subjective) list of good potentially providers.

Of course such lists are always bound to be a hit and miss, but I hope that they serve as a guide...

Alex P Keaton

03-13-07, 21:44

A few months ago somebody was keeping a list of potentially bad providers at Palace. Would somebody who has taken care to record it please post it again.

I assume that you mean
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=547098&postcount=1513

Johnny Darko

03-13-07, 21:52

Yes, Alex...
Thanks.

Chicafan

03-13-07, 22:06

[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) maybe? if not, [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) definetly too is to be avoided, bad service, stunning body.

hessen bub

ahhh, read my post from earlier:

there are two other girls at palace i adore i cannot remember names(sorry). one girls is czech or romanian and simply has a killer body and beautiful face. she's a stud. you'll see her dancing once or twice a night. she's just built as well as i could ask for, has a wonderful face, speaks pretty good english. there's also a dark haired romanian girl and i believe her name is mona. she was great too. sorry i cannot be more specific though. these girls tell me their names three times and i still forget.

that's [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) i was talking about. i loved her, first session. i would say she was great. we had fun, great 69, nice sex. she stayed very busy until late into the night/early morning. i decided i wanted to repeat the same great experience at about 2am- it was my last night and she was my favorite still working. we went back in together and she just gave out during the session and said she was tired. i wanted to get mad or demand more but it was my third session and hey, i was beat too. i really didn't get the feeling she was trying to screw me over at the time but now that you say she was bad, maybe she played me a little. she disappeared so i figured she left since i stayed another hour and didn't see her again. is the "i'm tired" thing a trick? also, did i have any rights since she more or less quit before the 30 minutes was up? i thought she looked so damn good during the session and while i finished(hehe) that i just didn't want to complain. she posed and rubbed her tits on me, and just looked beautiful. but was it a trick and is there anything i could have expected of her or even not payed her?

bob, before i got your message i would have said she's a repeat for sure. but now, since she speaks good english and i can communicate with her i'd make darn sure she understands she has to work the whole time.

i wish i could remember that other tall, thin romanian girl's name. she told me three times but i forgot it. she's has an excellent body and black hair a little more than shoulder length. now she was just awful. i'd rather spank and play with [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s tits than have sex with her.

HectorG

03-14-07, 11:19

Does anyone know if there is a schedule posted of Messes anywhere on the internet? Not that it matters for me, because I've already booked my flights and hotel to Frankfurt on April 12-14!

APK, thanks for your advice. I was able to book a room at Apadana for only 35 euros per night through Hrs.com, including breakfast. It's a two-star by the train station and Eros district but that's fine for me. I'm not picky.

Jackyo

03-14-07, 11:32

If you highlight in your post you want a particular girl on the blacklist, I will make sure I make a note of it. When I next do an update of the list, I will make sure she is included.

Toscana

03-14-07, 11:38

http://www.messefrankfurt.com/corporate/en/

Looks like Fine Art for you, Bob. LOL. But if you found a hotel room that easily, perhaps there'll not be so many culture vultures around. Unless they are planning to spend entire nights in Palace......... Good luck anyway.

Adimondo

03-14-07, 18:00

Visited The Palace on a Tuesday. No major trade fairs in town. Staff more attentive. Plenty of chicks, low business, definitely a buyer's market. Duration of my stay lasted from 7pm till 3am. I fancy the Moroccan theme of this venue especially after the extension/renovation. Decided to be patient and disciplined. So I did, taking my time to watch around in order to make the right choice. Had dinner followed by coffee, noticing the movements and the available talent on the premises. Moved on to the main bar and then to the sofas.

Two black haired barracudas were offering their services for threesome sessions. One of them was tall with big tatooed Gothic letters on her back claiming to be from former Yugoslavia and the other was smaller and of Turkish origin. Persistent marketing and a quite bitchy approach. My alarm bells rang. No, thank you!

Carried out few interviews. Talked to two Bulgarian blondes (coloured, of course). One of them caught my attention. Forgot her name. Small talk on the swing-sofa. I kissed and caressed her body, but no action from her part. No kissing on the mouth and therefore no chance for DFK L Thanked her for the conversation and moved away.

Had eye-contact with a smoking hot blonde babe. She was good at marketing herself. Gave me the impression she would hurry up things. Then the surprize: this was the infamous Lina from Czechia. All the alarm bells rang and red warning leds flashed up in my head. Due to the numerous negative FRs stating her as a processor I dropped her as though she would be a hot potato. Let her caress me under the towel before I moved on. It's really hard to turn down such a stunner L

Continued the interviews at the main bar having a conversation in Spanish with Carmen from Madrid. Lots of make-up on her face. She gave me a pretty bored impression. I quote her as highly attractive. Adelina from Romania came along. Beeing well acquainted with this country I had a nice chat with her, even though she hadn't been exactly my cup of tea. She introduced me to Stela, who was big fun to talk to. I supposed Stela could provide great GFE. But again, didn't feel to pull her. They introduced me to whole bunch of Romanian chicks who came by. I got the feeling half of the club's babes are from Romania. They all speak English and are due to their Latin origin easily able to conversate in Italian or Spanish. I guess they even pretend to be of different nationalities when dealing with punters. One of them (forgot her name) had Caribbean looks like Cuban or Dominican and spoke perfect Spanish due to her long stay in Spain. She was a genuine Romanian displaying a definitely chicky/bitchy attitude and using a very vulgar language. One of her statements: "I've already screwed whole Spain!" Got to know Elisa, an absolute stunner: beautiful face, legs to the throat, olive complexion, long brown hair, perfect German and English lingual skills. A classy, cool babe, the quintessence of fine ass pu$$y. Supposed her to be from Russia, Baltic countries, Poland or Chechia. No way. Where do you think she came from? You've guessed it, guys: Romania! Decided not to take any risk by closing a deal with her. She was way too cool, if know what I mean, dudes. These girls come from the same country featuring pretty different looks and personalities. They can never be reduced to a common denominator. Made friends with them girls and moved on.

Approached Nika (Nikola), Russian from Saint Petersburg, a sweetie in her early 20s. Long brown hair, decent make-up, smooth skin, cute face. Invited her on the swing-sofa for interview. Absolute GFE, DFK, stroking, good communication in German. She liked sticking her tongue into my ears which I enjoyed and drove me wild. We went into a new in Moroccan style refurbished room. A highly relaxing and enjoyable session. I started off with caressing her tight and fresh body. No tatoos! DATY with lots of moaning. A delicious sweet taste. I couldn't stop. Turned into 69 with her above me. Nika is a great performer in terms of BBBJ and ball licking/sucking. I continued working on her box playing with a finger around her back door. We enjoyed the session to the full in our own quiet way. No talking, just moaning. Then I took her from behind pumping till I shot off my load. In the aftermath I needed to cuddle for a while. 50 EUR.

Time to reload the batteries. Eating, drinking, visit to the movie-room, then on to the steam bath. My attention was concentrated now towards a tall well built black haired stunner with Asian looks. I noticed her during the evening, she seeming to have been pretty busy. After midnight I could catch her on a sofa in the club centre. Made eye-contact, smiled, she responded, went up to her and invited her to a more remote sitting facility. We hit off with each other pretty well. This was Emel, allegedly of Turkish nationality born in Germany, anyway she spoke perfect German. She had ancestors of Tartar origin, therefore her Asian looks. Off we went to the room and began with an oil massage which she performed highly professional. An incredible well skilled BBBJ drove me mad. Licked her crack sticking one finger into her back door. She used her fingers simultaneously. The huge amount of honey streaming from her snatch turned into foam. She climaxed strongly. Continued with BBBJ till a mind blowing CIM. This was a wild and passionate session. No moaning, just loud screams from both of us. 100 EUR.

In order to avoid the crowds, check www.messefrankfurt.com in advance!

Excess

03-14-07, 20:56

A great report Adimondo only outdone in my opinion by your amazing focus and discipline in the evaluation and selection of your dance partners.

Very admirable and I would hope to emulate your determination not to be distracted by the fluff on my next foray. I will try, promise. Thanks again.

Alex P Keaton

03-15-07, 02:56

APK, thanks for your advice. I was able to book a room at Apadana for only 35 euros per night through Hrs.com, including breakfast. It's a two-star by the train station and Eros district but that's fine for me. I'm not picky.

You're welcome. I was satisfied with my stay there during my February visit.

Chicafan

03-15-07, 06:58

You're welcome. I was satisfied with my stay there during my February visit.

Thanks you all. I have been booking in Frankfurt without consulting that website. I was spending 55E a night. It turns out I can still be by the train station and get rooms in the 35-40E range. I'm all for that and appreciate the heads up.

Mojito Cool

03-15-07, 09:02

Two girls I like there are Kim(tall beautiful German). She's a cross between Heidi Klum and Kate Moss in way. She's mentioned in a report below and it's true, she's a very beautiful girl, if not stunning.

Alana(sp?)(dark haired, Romanian, nice B-C tits, decent face, came alive in the room). The only problem with Alana is the attitude/never smiles outside the room.Agree,

When I saw Kim in the palace she was really the most beautiful girl. I ask her if she was Ok with Anal sex thinking that will be too good. She answer "Yes sure. I love it".
I spend more than an hour with this stunning blond. Marvelous.

Speedy

03-15-07, 10:51

Going VERY soon to Palace.
Staying opposite in the IBIS.
59 euro job.
Does the trick....

Expect a report on tuesday gents.
I Will be there over the weekend.

Hessen Bub

03-17-07, 20:12

if she was Ok with Anal sex thinking that will be too good. She answer "Yes sure. I love it".

How much did you have to pay to make her love it? ;-)

Hessen Bub

Speedy

03-19-07, 12:17

i arrived to Palace around 5pm on friday with some friends, including as mentioned before some friends of african origin. I was unsure about this being a problem after a few posts from others, there were about 3-4 other black guys there and it wasnt a problem AT ALL.

Outside parking was severly lacking, so we parked on the opposite side of the road hoping we wouldnt get clamped!

On arrival as per usual you pay the 75 euros entry fee.
The receptionist greeted us with all smiles gave us our towels and we were off.
A cutie walks in clothes comes in, has me going wild already and i havent seen her body!

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Showered up and ready to go the look on my friends faces was unbeatable as it was their first time.
At the moment the ratio is 3 girls to 1 guy.
After showing them around and making sure the girls knew some new faces had arrived we sat next to the bar.

A few girls came over but wanted to check out all the talent before commiting.

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After 20 minutes we move to the swing, and a TALL lady comes over, very pretty and a nice body. she mentions her name, OH NO, i know the name from on here, BUT was it a good or bad report? I just coudlnt remember so I said I am relaxing. (After searching i cannot find her name)
This place IS Romania, NOT germany.
Throughout the night i would say 80% of the girls i spoke to are romanian.
We met a 1/2 japanese and 1/2 spanish girl, brazillian that looked heavily pregnant about 40 years old and just looked soo wrong, a couple of Germans but mainly Romanian.

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GIRL 1

Then, in walks the girl I saw at the reception, yummy.

She looked like Brittany Murphy,22, slim, enhanced breasts, chin length hair tied up brunnette but with all over blonde highlights, tattoo on her middle back in chinese that she says is just a pattern.Blue eyes (only noticeable from close).

I called her over and as my friends were near me I beckoned her to the theatre. Immediately yshe starts to blow me. Wait, i want to talk for 10 seconds first I say, why the mad rush? She replies talk costs money. Fair enough I thought. Then, back to business, i go to touch her breast, she pulls my hand away and says in the room only. I start to wonder.
I decide to just cut to the chase and goto the room.
In the room i gave her a quick 5 minute massage and then she flips over to give me a decent BBBJ. I go to play with her pussy and she just gives this look of "here we go". No kissing, No touching her breast. Nothing. She actually slapped my hand away when i tried touching her breast again and said i told you no touching!
Im thinking, ive been done! There is a first for everything.
AVOID this girl at ALL COSTS.

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We leave to check into our hotel and return about 9pm.
I walk in and a girl who stayed next to the steps going from the swing to the bar comes up to me. I decline her and say maybe later. She is slim about a uk8. Small breast about 32a/b
She has freckles on her chest area but only noticable close up. More on this girl later.
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GIRL 2.

SELDA.
size uk 12
26years old.
"SELDA" tattoo on her left breast.
Black hair and slightly tanned.
Look Turkish but i think she said she was german.

Im relaxing and this girl comes over.
I notice her from the bar when i was eating.
Very pretty face, body was for me a little over weight although i like my slim girls.

She comes over and starts kissing me, Im thinking, mmm a little rushed no!?
I say after my coffee Ill consider you.
She just had this thing about her though, she wanted to be fucked, HARD.

I call my friend over to give me the coffee because at this stage she is sitting on me.
She says, you both, I want you both.
After never having done a threesome with two guys i think its not a good idea, but im always up for a challenge, So I agree.
At this point its about 10pm. The rooms are filling up.
So we need to wait about 7-8 mins for one to become free.
In the room "lobby" area she starts kissing us both wildy attracting the attention of everyone waiting. We look up and everyone is just staring, the girls start asking Selda are you taking them both, and looks of amazment go through the area.
Im of a fair build a little muscular, and my black friend is also fairly well built so people are thinking how will she handle us both.

We get into the room.
This girl is on HEAT!
WOW.
She starts to BJ me whilst my friend is interviewing her breasts.
After flipping her, tossing her, fucking her, we finish, about 40 minutes later.
All of us are sweating, the room is HOT, and we can barely walk.
We all had an amazing session.
She came AT LEAST 3 times in this period.
What a girl.
We walk out and it seems that the whole club is staring at us.

SESSION COST 100 EUROS IN TOTAL

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The girl i mentioned earlier that has the freckles comes over and says, you said you were coming with me, you are a liar. I am laying down on the sofa, and she lays ontop of me. And starts saying you are coming with me right?
I hush her away and say i said maybe later. Although she is cute, and a little forcefull she was fun to be around.

At this point of the night not many girls are seeing action.
Even though there are more guys it was only from about 11-1am it was busy.

After we shower up and sit down selda comes back thanks us with a kiss and sits down.
She then needed to do her dance routine which was with a belly dancing outfit. Whilst this was happening, two seperate girls winked and gave us a gesture meaning you fucked her well....Its the closed fist with the forearm moving as if you were stabbing yourself gesture. This session gave us a name for the girls.
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We were introduced to a morrocan girl, although she says she is spanish.
She looks morrocan.
27 years old uk10.
Brown shoulder length hair with flair.
32b cup.
She was all smiles and I thought she was cute.
In the next hour or so she and Selda came over and talking to us several times, just for a brief chat, nothing more.

I decide i want to do a tag team effort again, two girls, two guys.
They agree.

Freckled girl watches me like a hawk and my other friend says that she started following us to the room!?

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GIRL 3

We enter the lobby again for a 10 minute wait.
Again we start going at it like teenagers on heat.
I decide to stay with Selda, and my friend tries the new fruits.
We get in the room, and they turn the lights on.
Eh? Whats going on here?
We chat, talk, no sex. Just the odd kiss etc.
Have we been played?
HELL NO....
We spend time talking/relaxing/chatting....
Great.
No rush, we then start getting fired up for another great session with both girls.
We finish, the morrocan girls gets 5 waters, one for all of us, one to hose herself down with as we are all sweating like mad.
Ciggarette and chat for 10 mins or so.
All in all 1 hour was spent with both the girls.

100 Euros total spend not each guy.

Superb girls, would definetly see them again.

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I lay down and my freckled friend keeps staring at me, NON STOP.
SCARY!
My friend mentions it looks like she wants to spike your drink or slash your throat! And said, if i goto a room with her she will probably want to smash the champagne bottle over my head! Nice.
I felt very uneasy at this point as it was just too much.I just wanted to go!

All in all a very good trip, happy I went back to Palace the girls were all in all a very friendly bunch, no bitchyness going on.
All up for a chat/kiss etc.

We were offered to go to a nightclub with a certain group of girls i wont mention names, but we were sceptical and also we were VERY tired so we declined.
But i thought that was a plus point!!

STATS:
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GIRLS QUALITY
1-5= 10%
5-6= 30%
6-7=50
8-9=10%

There were no 10s that night.
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GIRLS QUANTITY FROM 10PM
about 40

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GUYS QUANTITY FROM 10PM
about 50

Wdeville

03-19-07, 19:56

Getting ready for my first FKK experience in just a couple of weeks now and have a few questions. First off, thanks to the ISG community for supplying a great education upfront. I've definitely made full use of the extensive reports and threads.

Heading to Frankfurt, and will make base at a hotel very close to Palace. I hear a lot of back and forth about the merits (or lack there of) of Palace vs. other Hessen clubs, especially for first timers, but I've decided that it's really the best option for me. There seem to be lots of reports that Palace is not newbie friendly, but I'm pretty sure I can handle it. I'm an experienced mongerer and strip club aficianado, and I picture Palace, and other FKKs, to be not that far off from a couple of clubs I frequent that are essentially brothels disguised as strip clubs, probably just taken to a higher level (and I hope with prettier girls!). Will definitely be on the lookout for the optifucks, and think the instincts developed in seeking out only the best lapdances or private booth dances will serve me well...but I do have a few questions:

1) Have pretty much decided to stay put at Palace for my three day stay, but just wondering if I did want to take a taxi from Neuen Borse hotel to Oase, about how much would I be talking? If I wanted to use public transportation, do I need to head back into Frankfurt Central and then out (well documented itinerary), or is there a more direct option from Neun Borse?

2) Session charges - couldn't really find a clear answer for this one: suppose you go for an hour session and CIM twice (hey I like blowjobs), do you get two add-ons for CIM or one (150E or 200E)? Does CIM aslo mean Come on face? or is that another extra...for instance, I shoot and go in the mouth and on the face, is that two extras or still just one?

3) The club is booked up, and there is a wait for a room. Do the girls typically extend the "couch time" the entire wait time, or are you typically, just hanging out waiting? What happens if you're waiting for a long time, say 20 minutes for a room, and you lose your load before you ever get to a room? Guessing you still pay the standard fee, plus any extras?

4) If I just wanted a session or two with just a long teasing lapdance and HJ, would that just be the standard 50E charge?

5) Sounds like the norm here is more once you cum the session is over, even if you have time left. Is that something that needs to be negotiated upfront...for instance, that if you cum before the session is up, that you want a massage until time is up...or is it really just case by case once you are in that situation? If I have an extra 10 minutes here or there, I'd just as soon get my money's worth vs. cash and dash.

6) If you go for a multi-hour session, I assume you have a little more leeway with the number of times you can cum per session. Seems to be 1 per 1/2 hour is max...so if I went for a 2 hour session and wanted to cum, say, 3 times, that should not be a problem? Are girls more or less inclined to go for a multi-hour session, given that they might actually turn 1 hour into 90 minutes with three quick sessions?

7) Where are the best places to hang out between sessions? a) when you are looking for more action b) when you really would rather just be left alone for while

Sorry for all the questions guys...just want to be fully prepared. Look forward to providing a full report afterwards and "giving back" to the community...thanks for any help you can offer.

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Hessen Bub

03-20-07, 09:35

1) Never taken a cab to Oase, but should be around 20 to 30 EUR?!

2) CIM is 50 EUR extra each time, so 200 EUR would be correct. If you come in her mouth and on her face, it's still 50 EUR extra.

3) Waiting time is not to be paid for. If you cum outside the room, standard fees apply.

4) Correct.

5) You are paying for 30 minutes, so after you have come it's up to you to decide whether to leave the room, talk or ask for a massage.

6) Coming 3 times in 2 hours is only your problem, but not a matter of cash. ;-)

7) a) At the big bar, overlooking the whole place or on the big swing. b) in the new facilities at the back of the club.

Have fun!

Hessen Bub

Speedy

03-20-07, 11:25

[QUOTE=Wdeville]

1) Have pretty much decided to stay put at Palace for my three day stay,

ive never been to oase before so cant comment.
the address for the hotel will help.
just check the distance on www.viamichelin.org for info on the distance.
search by postcode.

2) Session charges - couldn't really find a clear answer for this one: suppose you go for an hour session and CIM twice (hey I like blowjobs), do you get ?

im not sure but would presume it would be one charge,
the girl would be happy with you taking her for 1 hour anyway, so i would say the cost would be 150E. Check first before you goto the room.

3) The club is booked up, and there is a wait for a room. Guessing you still pay the standard fee, plus any extras?

yes, there is some coach time, depends on the girl really, check my post below.
you will pay the standard fee yes.

4) If I just wanted a session or two with just a long teasing lapdance and HJ, would that just be the standard 50E charge?

Yes.

5) Sounds like the norm here is more once you cum the session is over, even if you have time left. Is that something that needs to be negotiated upfront...for instance, that if you cum before the session is up, that you

Generally when you finish you leave.
Again depends on the girl/s

6) If you go for a multi-hour session, I assume you have a little more leeway with the number of times you can cum per session. Seems to be 1 per 1/2

Cant comment, i dont know.
All you need to do is get it straight before you enter the room.

7) Where are the best places to hang out between sessions? a) when you are looking for more action b) when you really would rather just be left alone for while

a) The couch areas near the bar
b) Tv room or sauna/pool area or around the back area steam room etc

Toscana

03-20-07, 11:46

i had a pretty miserable time at palace last saturday night.

i arrived very late. as i had to pick someone up fom the airport early in the morning, it was either palace or nothing.

throughout the night i would say 80% of the girls i spoke to are romanian.

this was also the case on saturday. i rejected at least ten girls who approached, all of them romanians, and all because they wanted to go to “zimmer” within twenty seconds of saying hi. what is more, on closer observation, it was quite clear by the end that many were being orchestrated by a handful of young shaven-haired “guests”, their pimps to all intents and purposes.

when i did go to the room, it was twice with romanians who were a bit cleverer in the preliminaries, once with a german and once with a “spaniard”, also i am sure from bucaresti. the last is forgiven, because she was the only one to offer decent service. otherwise it was absolutely pathetic, apart from the optics. although i checked with each beforehand, the kissing was perfunctory, as was bbbj or 69 as soon as little tosc rose, and it was on with the cap asap, however i might encourage otherwise. it was always a battle of wills, which i could only win, if i nailed them down in missionary and kept going and kept going until the 30 mins were more or less up. not my idea of a session. in three of the four sessions i refused to come at the end, which is the only thing that disconcerts them, because they are focused on this as every guest’s sole aim. they do not even realise how cynical they have obviously become. a result of messe-processing, as one of them ultimately admitted, when she wanted to know why i reacted so.

a complaint at the reception would have been absolutely pointless, as i’d already had a run-in with the old shrew who had made me so wonderfully welcome on entering. compare that with the solicitous welcome and great attitude of management at, for example, living room.

for the record:

clara, slim blonde cracker from romania. she’s already on the blacklist (rogers), which i’d been unable to consult. terrible attitude.

lilly, another great slim blonde from germany. rogers also complained about a lilly, but her description doesn’t fit. this one’s from nürnberg. poor attitude.

adela, perhaps 20, light brown hair, not so slim, nice b breasts, romania. she gives great kisses wherever you meet her (in my case she almost had me toppling off the barstool), but beware, it goes downhill very rapidly in the room. we were really pissed off with each other by the end. jackyo, this one should be straight on the blacklist.

helena, black hair, great smile, very curvy with natural c breasts, very soft everywhere. from “madrid” in romania. good bbbj, no problems with multiple positions, and after three abstentions, i permitted her a cim finish which almost drowned her out. lol.

after this experience i wonder whether the club can really be considered as part of the fkk tradition any more.

i sent this message to the website after i got home. only if you’re interested. doubt if it’ll do any good.

"hallo,

ich war am vergangenen samstagabend spät bei euch „gast“. es war bei weitem nicht das erste mal, aber höchstwahrscheinlich das letzte.

nach einer anreise von mehreren stunden wurde ich – wie immer eigentlich guter laune und auf keinen fall etwa angeheitert - von einer älteren dame mit sehr frecher lippe begrüsst, so herzlich eigentlich, dass ich nachgefragt habe, ob ich überhaupt willkommen sei. schwersten herzens hat sie mir einlass gewährt.

was folgte, war noch schlechter. nach dem motto: es gibt fkk-mädchen, die arbeiten, und es gibt fkk-mädchen, die bei palace sind. von den vier mädchen, die ich kennengelernt habe, war bei dreien nach ankunft im zimmer nicht die spur einer arbeitsmoral zu erkennen. ziel war es, den kunden schnellstmöglich abzufertigen und dabei so wenig wie möglich zu leisten. dabei vergessend, dass nicht alle gäste ahnungslose touristen sind, und dass der klub eigentlich auch von stammgästen lebt. ein jammer. sie können sich vorstellen, wie aussichtsreich eine beschwerde bei meiner freundin am eingang gewesen wäre.

ich kenne fkk-klubs im ganzen lande. es war nicht immer so bei palace, aber bei dieser entwicklung ist ihr klub auf dem besten weg, die beispielhafte fkk-tradition zu ruinieren."

Wever

03-20-07, 12:55

Before going there I read a lot about the girls and their performances. But in fact when I went in I was overwhelmed of the size and amount of girls walking around.
I decided just to have a good time and the first hour or so I just enjoyed the sauna, showers, film, etc. Quite a few girls asked to join me but I needed some more time I told them.

I went into the sauna, had a good session and was relaxing a bit in a corner lying back on a large matras. Then a nice slim girl asked me if she could sit next to me. OK, she told me she was Turkish but grew up Germany. Bit by bit we came closer to each other and our bodies touched. She put her hand under my towel and gave my little one a nice rub while she looked at me. We kissed and I was hot enough to follow her to a room.

A nice BBBJ, DATY and missionary position followed and I left the room very satisfied. I think her name was Selda or so but am not sure.

I needed a break and did the same as where I started. Sauna, Whirlpool, some food and film (they have real nice films I think).

At least that is what I wanted to watch. Going into the film room there was a slim long haired beauty (Dominican Republic she told me) who stood in front of me and did not let me pass (in a friendly way). She asked me where I was going and what I was going to do there. At the same time she was rubbing my Tommy with here hand. When she started to talk to me I really held her off as I really wanted to watch a movie but she stood so firm that I could feel the heat of her body.

And this rubbing did have its effect together with her funny/joking way of talking. Then she gave me a big kiss on the moth and ı was lost again.

Well again no regret. I started with here breast, went down and either she played very well theatre or she liked it a lot. I do not care what it was, I enjoyed her slight moaning and movement. She even helped herself a little before she 'came' (?). Again I do not care if it was real or not.

Then she gave me a BBBL and sat upon me. She moved a few times and I came far too quickly.

Cannot remember here name anymore.

Later she came again to ask if I wanted another time but I was out.
However I had said that I would join another girl from Hungary that had chased me before. I was watching a movie when she came in. 'now you won't escape anymore' she told me. However I was done in a way ı could not resist and smoke a cigarette with her. In that time she managed to get my little one having some size though and we went to a room. She tasted great however she played a little too much theatre that was clear. Then she started with the usual BBBJ and got it straight again. I wanted to do a missionary position and however it started nicely, I did feel the power flowing out of it. Three times was too much, and I stopped after a few hard pump just as if I had come. I wanted to hide the condom (the girl had nothing to do with it anyway, she was a beauty and nice) but she took it from me. You did not come she said, come here. And she started to give me a blowjob till I came. And that was rather a long BBBJ. When came she pulled the last bits out of me but I am not hot at a CIM anyway. So great again but do not remember her name.

The first two girls offered me anal as well, the Hungarian did not mention this.
And I left with a very good feeling and have a nice evening (20.00 - 00.30)

Unfortunately I will not be there before next year.

Have fun and keep the thing alive. Till next year.

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Ortos

03-20-07, 14:24

Toscana,

First, thanks for your report. You are yet another of those on the growing list of anti-Palace mongers of late...and from the content of your report, with good reason.

First, I just came back about 10 days ago from a week in Frankfurt where I spent many a (happy) night at Palace. It was definitely over-run at times, because of a large Messe, which made mongering conditions very much less than optimal, i.e. rather poor. Yet, despite this, I was still able to have some really top notch sessions.

I did NOT monger with any Romanians at Palace, and although I saw a few of them, I did not encounter a situation like you and others: 80% Romanians. I encountered throughout the week, a fully diverse and very deep line-up with all kinds of girls from all over the place. I stayed firmly amongst the (rather large) group of tried and tested girls who I've known from Palace or ex-Oase girls. I did alot of sessions with Russians to very good effect. I was also very impressed by the line-up and general conditions at Palace BEFORE 20.00. I found some very good opportunities and choices at Palace during the period 16.00-19.00. Then the crowds arrived and it went downhill.

I know, I seem to be about the only one who likes Palace these days, and I accept that I am seeing things different than alot. It sounds like you were able to correctly analyse the fact that many of these new Romanian girls are actually being "directed" around by their skin-head pimps. I did not see any of this during my recent visits, but then there were such crowds it was hard to direct anything. Too bad, it sounds like Palace has some work to do, if they care to do that is...

Your Palace experience sounds alot different from mine. Thanks again for the report...

Ortos