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Young & Restless
04-20-05, 18:48
If anyone is interested, I just saw this package listed on this week's top 20 with Travelzoo:

$599 -- Rio de Janeiro: 5 Nights & Air
http://www.travelzoo.com/Top20.asp?id=100186721
Source: Gate 1 Travel

Juddo
04-21-05, 01:21
Anyone know if this is chica friendly?

Macunaima
04-21-05, 14:55
Um, Jwadd, I hate to break the news to you, but there's no way of telling who lives in a favela and who doesn't. There are plenty of people who you meet every day who speak perfectly correct Portuguese and who dress as well as anyone else who live in favelas. There are plenty of poor, uneducated and "threadbare" people who DON'T live in favelas. Furthermore, nothing I've ever seen indicates that where one lives in Rio corresponds with how likely one is to be a criminal. A VICTIM of crime, yes, but a criminal?

"Good night Cinderella" drops are sold under the counter in almost every bar you guys frequent. If a woman thinks you're a good mark for that, she can easily get them. She doesn't need to be "from the favela" to do this. Nor is it more (or less) likely that women who live in favelas do this.

As for your "friend" who works here and confirmed your suspicions, beware of treating other peoples' prejudices as if they were pondered opinions.

Finally, I have news for you: there are some favelas that are quite nice places to live. There are some working-class, non-favela neighborhoods in the north and west zones of Rio that are reall hell holes. "Favela" does not necessarily mean "poor and miserable" and it CERTAINLY doesn't mean a higher propensity for criminal behavior, at least not in the commerical sex market of Rio.

As for "more tatoos". JWadd, I teach at a univeristy here in Rio AND I work in a pre-vestibular program in Rocinha. The middle-class girls I teach have FAR more tatoos than the girls from the favela, though the favela residents who do have tatoos tend to have rougher ones.

People do not have "Hi! I live in a favela!" laserprinted onto their forehead, Jwadd. And if you don't speak very fluent Portuguese and have a real good grasp of local culture, I highly doubt that you're able to tell favela slang apart from the general run-of-the-mill working class slang we have in this city. Given this, it seems to me that it's more your preconceived notions of what a favela is or isn't that are talking when you say that "there are a lot of favela girls at Help". that may be true, but the only way to know for sure would be to go back home with them.

It also seems to me that you are ,istaking street kids for "favela kids" (whatever those are). I spend a lot of time hanging out on the Copa strip, watching you folks interact with the local fauna. Most of the kids I see out there most probably do not live in favelas: they live on the street. Some of them actually live in the north zone and bus in to work the crowds on Friday, staying on the street until Sunday, when they go back home to their families.

Bubba Boy says:

"For someone not to like it [anal sex], would be considered abnormal in Brasil...."

Men, perhaps. PLENTY of women do not like it, though many of them are willing to do it because they know men do like it.

Pluto2
04-21-05, 15:11
Looking for someone to run with in Rio next week, the 24th -30th.

I'm staying in Ipanema and hate to eat alone etc.

PM me.

Pluto2

Lorenzo
04-21-05, 16:40
Yes, it is chica friendly, but you have to pay 25% of your room rate each time you bring a girl in, and she has to register. I stayed at Augusto's last year for a few days, between the time my Brazilian GF threw me out when she caught me cheating and the time she forgave me (meaning she realized she had killed the goose that laid the golden eggs) and took me back, a total of about 4 days. To my mind, this is one of the best bargains in Rio. The hotel is appointed as well as some luxury hotels I have stayed in. The rooms are huge, the buffet breakfast is sumptuous, the lobby is elegant, the service is excellent, and it is cheap. When I stayed there in August 2004 the daily rate was R180, at the time the equivalent of US$63, so the girl fine really is only about US$15. Cheap.

The downside? Augusto's is almost 3 blocks from the beach, which is why a lot of people don't like it. WTF, everything in life involves a tradeoff, and walking is good exercise.

Lorenzo

Dark Knight
04-21-05, 16:56
The hotels listed there are not generally guest friendly, and the single supplement is substantially higher.

But you are right, that is a good deal. I am going to travel down there with the REAL gf and stay in one of the Ipanema hotels on that deal. She has asked to visit Brazil since I go so often. I'll just keep her off Copacabana at night, and make a side trip with her to Buzios and Cabo Frio.

FYI: I subscribe to Travelzoo's top 20, and that or similar deal is almost always available.

Bunda Boy
04-21-05, 21:44
Macunaima,

Thanks for setting the record straight on Favela girls. I doubted that figuring them out was that easy. Its like here in the States, just because a girl has a tattoo and drives a pick up with a rebel flag doesn't mean she is trouble. THere are a lot girls who dress nice and talk smooth that are far more trouble. No matter where you are you just have to be careful and stay aware. In Rio, even though many don't like to pay the fee, I like the security of staying at a hotel that registers the girls and charges for the service. I hope this may make them think twice about doing anything stupid. I know they may ahve fake ids, but I like the secure feeling.

Young & Restless
04-22-05, 00:19
Hi Dark Knight,

I recognized a few of the hotels listed on that special too, but I don't really know for sure if they are chica friendly or not. I was surprised that they had the Marriott listed under that special, I know for a fact that one is chica friendly, but it's also expensive and kind of defeats the whole purpose of going on a cheap trip.

Take it easy,

Y & R

Sandiego
04-22-05, 06:02
Just wanted to share my great time in Copa last summer. I'm going back soon. Cuba or Rio? Cuba or Rio? Cuba or Rio? What about Cartegena? Shit, I haven't been to Europe, I was thinking about Poland.

Macunaima
04-22-05, 21:06
Well, BB, it may make them think twice and then again, it may not.

The Russian tourist who just got shot was in a very high-security hotel who registered everyone. That's how the police found the girl's "agenciador" so quickly.

Dr Completo
04-22-05, 23:01
Sandiego,

Thanks for sharing the photos. One of these days I'll run across a familiar face, bunda, camel toe, or tatoo I'm sure when looking at the pictures.

Bunda Boy,

Have you had a close calls on your last trips to Rio? Love the name, by the way.

Vinnie01
04-22-05, 23:54
I was in Rio on business and like most visiting a local steady.
We were at Garota Ipanema for lunch and the manager came over and asked me to join them for lunch the next day.
He said it would be around 1:30 but there would be a lot of pretty girls.
Well, unfortunately, my steady friend had school during the day so I had to go by myself.

There were forty girls who had won their local region beauty contest and they were all there for the Miss Garota Ipanema title for 2005.
Need less to say it was a smorgasbord of beauty.

There were media people everywhere. I was trying to not get photographed by any newspaper or television camera and still mix with all the girls.
The next day was a less formal luncheon and I again was invited.
The girls now had on casual clothes and the media was gone. However, the public must have heard about this since there were always 20-50 people with cameras on the street trying to get pictures of the girls.
I know I was caught on film in some candid positions with these girls.

I did manage to get a few numbers and e-mail addresses but the chaperon was pretty strict on letting them see anyone while this function was going on.

Lastly, I did not bring my camera the casual day but will post the first day to give you an idea.

I will post pictures in the photo section.

Kmarxist
04-23-05, 04:11
I was there December26 -January18. I would say either the agencies if you speak portuguese or the termas. they are way cheaper. help is out unreal girls want 600R. You can negociate tell them Brazilizans dont pay that! I lost a lot of my pics but will try to find a cd where I copied some.

Rovnak
04-24-05, 00:03
After my adventures in Sampa, I made my first sojourn to Rio. Easy flight from SP to Rio on TAM, no reservations required, flights every hour.

I went to my apartment, prearranged through Rio Apartments. I recommend that agency, they treated me well, no complaints. The apartment was on border of Copa and Ipanema. I spent very little time in Copa. I preferred Ipanema and next time, I will stay in the same place or even further in Ipanema.

Itinerary:

Monday - get settled into apartment. Monday evening, head over to Solarium. This is my first time in a therma, but I am totally prepared, thanks to all the information on this forum. I give Solarium the highest ranking for my visit. The only subpar aspect is that they have only two showers and only one of them had functional hot water. Otherwise, Solarium outperformed all the other thermas that I visited in terms of selection and value. The bar area was populated by about 40 garotas. The talent was very very high and consistent. I wouldn't say that there were any 10s, maybe not even any 9s. But there was a large group of solid 7-8's depending on your criteria, and there were very few throw aways. And furthermore, they were ALL friendly and playful. Monday I sampled a sex kitten loira and then a short smouldering morena. With two drinks my bill was still just 400R.

Tuesday - I decided to test the escort scene and called several places and indies. I called VipRJ and the lady spoke English but she insisted I needed to pay for one session before she would send me link to the "book" in email. I said I wanted to see the book first because faces are important to me. She would not agree so I said goodbye. Then I called Prazer Total, no english, and they said they do not even have a book. Goodbye. Then I called the highly rated independent Barbara Torres. No english, but I was able to deal with the Portuguese and made arrangement for later that afternoon. She arrived on time. She has incredible reviews on the gpbr review site. She is tall and shapely and friendly. Her face is ok, not great. But her pussy control is out of this world. She used a portuguese word "pompo...." to describe the skill she had. I have NEVER felt a tighter grip, and she enjoyed seeing my reactions as she worked those muscles. I don't know if this is natural or from kegel exercises or what, but it was IMPRESSIVE. She also gave some feedback on some other girlfriends of hers that advertise on hotside as well. Then Barbara called scortshow, for me, and asked them to send a girl over with the book. I asked for Thais Hickman to bring the book. Barbara left, and Thias arrived. I would have done Thais but to my chagrin she was only delivering the book and she was already late for a festa. So I was dinged 70R just to see the book (40 + 30 for the book and taxi). I was a bit pissed that they would send someone who was not available to stay. But I was not too upset because at least I satisfied my curiosity about the famous book and I was not so attracted to Thais anyway. In short, Thais and Laila were the only ones in the book that I cared for. The rest of the book would not have cut it at Solarium at all. So this was good to find out even though it cost 70R.

After dinner, I headed out to Luomo first. Frankly, the talent level was awful. I did not see anyone I liked and left after one drink. I jumped in a cab and headed to the Centro and 65. 65 was hopping, the live band sucked in my opinion. The room was smokey and crowded. The selection was ok, not as good as Solarium. I was only attracted to two. Then I spotted a real winner, named Amanda. Young, tight, morena/mulata. Just oustanding time. She wanted to be my namorada later in the week and I took her number but she was a bit too possessive already, asking if I was going to see other girls and all.

Wed - I decided to test the waters of the famous Centaurus. It was the most convenient place for me. I went around 6:00 pm, paid the upfront 310R and then was shocked that that selection was far worse than Solarium and not any better than 65. Furthermore the girls were more pushy. I was not happy and if I had not already payed I probably would have left. As it was, I did find a great little shorty named Nubia. She has only been at Centaurus for a few weeks and formerly danced at Bahamas, which she claimed to prefer. We had a very good session, defintely lasted a long long time. Well past 40 minutes, probably longer than an hour. I recommend her, though I don't recommend Centaurus if you have to prepay. More on this later. I had looked for the recommended mulata Sandy, but she was not around.

Thursday - I went to Monte Carlo. This is popular with American tourists. The talent was ok, I hooked up with a sister act and did a dupla. They were fun, and even took turns taking pictures of us. However, the younger sister was both prettier and hotter, and I really wished I had just gone with her alone. MC was ok, though I would not go out of my way to go back there. If I was in a nearby hotel sure.

I had some food and headed over to Solarium again. The selection was basically the same as the first time I was there, but as I said, there was many that appealed to me. So after flirting with a trio of beauties I went with one of them, a tall morena, Valeria, with a great smile and a nice body. This was a really good session as she was extremely hot. After that I showered and then had another round with the shortie that I had met on my Monday visit.

Friday - After reviewing my options, I went back to Solarium and had two more delightful sessions. One with sweet and beautiful Vanessa, and then a night cap with the same shortie I had been with twice already. Somehow I just couldn't resist her kisses. And she was insatiable, coming up with new positions when a less passionate girl would have been asking for a rest.

Saturday - I was determined to find Sandy at Centaures, a highly recommended mulata. I went to the entrance at 5:00 and asked if Sandy was working. They said she has not worked there since December. Dissappointed I said I "nunca pre pago". They said ok, you can go in for 90R. I thought this was a minor victory, but I decided to think about it outside and check the arriving talent for free. I stood outside for about an hour, discretely observing the arrivals. Awful, awful, awful!!! Girls with bellies, and plain faces. I saw like 20 arrive and there were only 2 that were appealing at all. So I packed it in and decided Centaurus is just not happening this time.

That night I went to Barbarellas. Had my two drinks for 60R and checked out the talent. Some lookers, but they wanted 500-600R for two hours. No thanks. At 1:00 am I headed over to Help for the first time. It was ok, not my scene. I got lazy and jumped the gun arranging to take home a nice looker but she turned out to be a cold fish pro. After she kept asking me if I had gozou yet, I said I wasn't going to. I was just going to bang her. She got pissed at this, and I told her to just leave, "vai, vai!!". Frankly, I was tired and glad to see her leave.

In retrospect I should have hooked up with one of the termas girls that had given me their numbers earlier in the week but I was too curious.

Sunday - I went back for one last spin at Solarium. Again, i had a great great time, this time with an older but still attractive blond. She was an enthusiastic lover, as had been every one at Solarium.

Monday, I headed back to the US and bid Rio goodbye. This was my "sampler" trip. Next time I will try and spend more one on one time with a special girl or two or three. But this first time it wa nice to sample the whole scene. I never had any crime scares, but I was cautious and didn't push the envelope. One of the taxi drivers that I chatted with on the way to Solarium wanted to take me to Villa Mimosa, but I declined.

Rio Bob
04-24-05, 00:46
Well, BB, it may make them think twice and then again, it may not.

The Russian tourist who just got shot was in a very high-security hotel who registered everyone. That's how the police found the girl's "agenciador" so quickly.

This guy who was a Physicist and I think you have to be pretty smart to be a Physicist, I guess he thought he was going to outsmart this programma but he was wrong. She obviously wasn't taking any shit that day and I don't know where the gun came from, did she bring it in the room with her? I do know girls carry knives with them but a gun WOW, don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) these girls off, like Macunaima has said in other posts , pay up your debts this is not a game for them.

Macunaima, did you used to post on Lonely Tree dot com, you sound very familiar?

Rio Bob
04-24-05, 00:57
Well, BB, it may make them think twice and then again, it may not.

The Russian tourist who just got shot was in a very high-security hotel who registered everyone. That's how the police found the girl's "agenciador" so quickly.

Well now we know why many hotels turn non chica friendly because of situations like this. Believe me, many of the hotels experience many different situations with the girls , robberies, murders, fights, whatever but it doesn't look good in front of their respectable guests and its embarrasing, so eventually some hotels become chica unfriendly as we know like the Debret which was notorius for being chica friendly for years.

Kmarxist
04-24-05, 09:31
Does anyone who has posted pics got the numbers to these girls? The ones I got are disconected, must have gone back to their city. I talked to one she said she was moving to spain.

PM me with numbers.

Hoo Doo
04-24-05, 22:49
Rovnack,

I do agree with you about your accessment of Solarium. Not always 10's or 9's but the girls are all smiles and are more than eger to meet you with out all the pushie hard sell stuff. plus on two occasions i thought they had the brazilian womans volley ball team on staff. It was all legs and thighs for as far as i could see. 4x4 is fine but the 5pm+ rush crowd gets to be a bit much and Luomo's is always a treat.

SanDiego; My man!

Macunaima
04-25-05, 01:11
The woman who offed the Russian apparently swiped the gun from her pimp who was carrying it for her "protection". This was in Barra, BTW, and the fact that she had a pimp i9ndicates that it was a call-girl service.

Hot To Cool
04-26-05, 05:43
The woman who offed the Russian apparently swiped the gun from her pimp who was carrying it for her "protection". This was in Barra, BTW, and the fact that she had a pimp i9ndicates that it was a call-girl service.Macunaima,

I glad you mentioned that it occurred in Barra, because that's a place that we mongers, especially foreign mongers, never frequent. Although that can happen anywhere, that sort of incident is less likely to happen in Copa, or even in Vila Mimosa.

Hot To Cool

Kenn
04-26-05, 15:55
Macunaima At least that is "HIS STORY".... Blame the other person.....
I do not think they have even found her yet....

Vitor97
04-27-05, 13:56
Barrah is a safe place, when I was there that beach is where I spent most of my time.

Hot To Cool
04-28-05, 07:06
Barrah is a safe place, when I was there that beach is where I spent most of my time.Vitor 97,

I agree that Barra da Tijuca is safe. However, since, judging by its name, it is probably closer to the dangerous area of Tijuca, I would say it is in general less safe than leme,Copa, and Ipanema.

Hot To Cool

Macunaima
04-28-05, 14:10
Well, the dude tested negative for gunpowder residues, but I agree: who the hell knows what really happened.

As for Barra being "safe", it is, in fact, one of Rio's more crime-ridden neighborhoods. There are fewer muggings there, however, simply because there's no street life. Everyone moves around by car.

Handyman #2
04-28-05, 18:44
I am trying to sneak in a trip to Rio, Sao Paulo and BA in July. I am doing my homework on where to stay, where to eat (food) and the best value ladies. But since I do not speak the language, I will be at somewhat of a disadvantage if I try calling for carry out. Does anyone know of a Roxanne (BA) service in Rio and Sao Paulo? If not some of you ex pats (or their english speaking girl friends) might look into doing something like that for some extra income.

Trippleecks
04-29-05, 12:58
Kenn from www.ez-riorentals.com has something like that available.

Trippleecks
04-29-05, 13:03
Hot To Cool...Vitor97... Guys that Russian was killed in Barra de Tijuca. There are more violent crimes committed in Barra than anywhere else in Rio. More home invasions than anywhere else in Rio.

For tourists, Copacabana And Ipanema are much safer if you only follow the simple guidelines. "AT NIGHT TAKE A CAB"

Hot To Cool
04-30-05, 04:28
[QUOTE=Nodd_N]Hot To Cool...Vitor97... Guys that Russian was killed in Barra de Tijuca. There are more violent crimes committed in Barra than anywhere else in Rio. More home invasions than anywhere else in Rio.

For tourists, Copacabana And Ipanema are much safer if you only follow the simple guidelines. "AT NIGHT TAKE A CAB"

Nodd_N,

Granted there are home invasions in Barra da Tijuca, but as Macunaima said there is simply less street life there so whatever occurs there will be witnessed by less people on the street and criminals are in Barra take that into consideration and act accordingly. Similarly, criminals in Copa or Ipa have to take into consideration the fact there is more street life there and thus there are more potential witnesses, good Samaritans, vigilantes, or, shall we say, even police?

Perkele
04-30-05, 07:58
Similarly, criminals in Copa or Ipa have to take into consideration the fact there is more street life there and thus there are more potential witnesses, good Samaritans, vigilantes, or, shall we say, even police?I thought I'd give my 2c.

The police in Copa is so fucked up that it would be a miracle if they interfere a possible mugging. Most probably they just steal whatever is left. Don't expect the police to help you. On the otherhand there is a slight chance to get police to co-operate and that is if you speak portuguese.

P

Mack Dad
04-30-05, 11:58
After lurking in the forums I have decided to give back.

I will assume that all have managed to get a plane ticket, passport and visa to get to Brazil. The following Airlines that fly to Brazil from the US are Continental, Varig, American, Tam, and Delta. All of them fly to Rio except Delta which will start in October of 05. Since we are on the net you can search your own prices and itineraries. You can ask around and believe or not post offices are a good source of information in getting a passport. For the Visa go to http://www.brasilemb.org/ and download the form and follow the instructions. Now here is the tricky part since the US immigration policy is less then favorable to the Brazilians they reciprocate. I have seen two people go get their visa both at the same time and one got a 30 day and the other got a 5 year. That is out of your control. Just cross your fingers and hope you get a 5 year.

Now when you get in to Rio you will be finger printed and photographed if you are US citizen. Just deal with it there is no need to get upset or get an attitude. You can thank homeland defense this. Once you get your luggage and pass customs you will be in the arrivals lobby. Do not get a cab there. They are a rip-off. If you have already booked a hotel on Copacabana and know the address you best bet is the REAL bus. Very inexpensive and will drop you off as close to the hotel that they can get. Cost is around 7 Reias that is about 3-4 dollars US. Hotels that I have stayed at that are guest friendly are Praia Lido http://www.praialidohotel.com.br/. I consider this place bare bones and after flying 7-10 hours I wouldn’t want to sleep there. Some people like if because of the price and it being close to Mabs. My place that I stay which is walking distance to Meia Pataca and Help is the Princess Copacabana. This place is a lot better then Praia Lido http://www.turisbarra.com/hoteis/princess/HotelPrincess.html.
Also friends have stayed at the Vilamar. I can not vouch on this hotel but was told it was nice. http://www.turisbarra.com/hoteis/vilamar/vilamar.htm.
All of these hotels are guest friendly and allow girls to come up without a charge. I only recommend the Vilamar and Princess due to the proximity to Help and Meia Pataca.

The Real bus will drop you off on Avenida Atlantica. The street is where Copacabana beach is. If you are staying at the Princess it will drop you off at the Othon Palace hotel. Walk down the street perpendicular from the hotel and you will get to Avenida Copacabana. You know you are on the right street because you will pass Blame it on Rio travel services. Some people swear on them but I don’t. I went in there to look at apartments and they were so busy that the girl gave me a business card and told me call back later. I think it’s a bad business when the phone is more important then a walk in client. Also you will pass an internet place with phone booths. This place is where I go to make my phone calls and check email very cheap 5 reias an hour . Once you pass the internet place you will be at Xavier da Silveria and Avenida Copacabana. Cross that street and you will see the Princess on the right . Vilamar is one street north of the princess.

Once you check in. Don’t forget to get a business card from them. You can get settled down and rested. Around 2 or 3 in the afternoon you leave the room. You walk back out the same street where you walked in. On Avenida Copacabana to your right and left will find Drogarias. These are the pharmacies and you can pick up Vitamins V, C, and L there. Also you might want to buy some KY also. I have noticed that Brazilian woman love anal. Also there is a grocery store that you can buy some drinks and some snacks there for your room. Also there is a Bradesco bank there which takes US ATM cards to make withdrawals. You are allowed 1000 reais withdrawal per day. I recommend this place because now Citibank has started to charge a 6 reais convience fee. Now at 10 PM all the ATM’s all over the city get turned off. So get you money before this happens or you will be broke until the next day.

Now that you have oriented your self go back the Othon palace. To your right you will see Meia Pataca. This is the place to hang out and check out some pros there. Do not eat at any of the restaurants on Atlantica. I have tasted better hospital food. You can sit down there and talk to all the gringos there and share and receive information. Names you can find there like Jimmy from Ohio who retired there. John Thompson from New York who now running a travel agency. Owen from Nigeria who swears he is a pimp but all he does is go the bus terminal to find homeless and or unemployed girls and tries to hook you up with them. Jimmy will tell you how it is down there on a no holds bar approach. John and Owen are about making a dollar so beware. Also there you will also see a bunch of people trying sell you stuff from lighters, Maps, CD’s, panties, peanuts you name it they will try to sell it. You usually see the girls walking from the beach and sit hang around . I have found if the girl knows English she is higher priced. Do yourself a favor and learn some Portuguese. Also there are taxi drivers that hang around. Two drivers that I trust are Didi and Syndey. They can take you to the Thermas without no hassle. Since this is your first time they take you there for free. Also you can make arrangements with them to go see Statue and Sugar loaf. Also talk to them to take you back to the airport the day you are leaving. They will charge you 60 reais to take to GIG.

After doing an afternoon snack you are ready to do some Thermas. I have had good luck at Loumo, Monte Carlo, and Solarium. http://www.luomo.com.br/
http://www.termasmontecarlo.com.br/index.php http://www.solarium.com.br/
Monte Carlo seems to have the most girls working. The places are set up nice. You walk in they ask your name and they give you a key. You go to your locker and change into a robe. Then you can usually go take a shower and dry off at the Sauna and then get a deep rub back massage. After that go to the bar and get some drinks. You will see a lot of women there when you walk in. Just keep walking until you get to the bar. Most will approach you don’t settle for one that comes to you. Find one that you really want and then go from there. The nice thing about this is that there is no haggling. The price is set when you walk in. I have seen some woman there would make you want to marry them but remember this is candy land. They will take you the room at the thermas for 40 mins or you can get a suite for an hour. Remember on Friday and Saturday evenings the house is packed and sometimes you have to wait for a room.

After you have left the Thermas you can catch a cab back to your room. If you can’t remember how to pronounce the street name, show them the business card that has the address on it. Get settle down or you can go back to Meia Pataca and asked around on a place to eat. One place that I recommend is Monchique http://www.monchique.com.br/. Its about 7 block north on Avenida Copacabana. It a Brazilian Buffet and its cheap and really good.

So now it should be around 10-11 PM go back to your room and get changed and head off to Help. It is located on the next street over from Meia. Once you go in you will see wall to wall pros there. Now shop around and for gods sack don’t pay no more then 250 reias for the whole night. Some idiots have jacked the price up and some will say 300 reias for an hour. Walk away believe me there are others to be picked. I have managed to pick some out of there that were only 200 reias the whole night and ended up having breakfast and lunch together the next day. Mind you some of these pros are somewhat homeless or live in a shanty apartment with 6 other people and like the tranquility of being away in a plush room.

The next day after she leaves you can head off to the Beach around 12 or 1 and enjoy the beach scene. There you will be approached and propositioned you can take it or leave it. Since this was my weekend trip to Rio I am relaxing and when 6 PM comes around check out and head off the airport. For those who may want more information PM. I have contacts and other places and sites to do.

Trippleecks
04-30-05, 13:10
Hot to Cool, the only people being robbed late at night in Copa. or Ipanema are the dumb ass tourists walking around late at night, alone or drunk... If they simply took taxies they would never have that problem.. Try and get one of the girls to take a stroll with you late at night and see what she says.. If the locals won't do it, what in the hell makes some guys think they can???

NEVER WALK AROUND LATE AT NIGHT ALONE the only people being robbed late at night in Copa. or Ipanema are the dumb ass tourists walking around late at night, alone or drunk... If they simply took taxies they would never have that problem.. Try and get one of the girls to take a stroll with you late at night and see what she says.. If the locals won't do it, what in the hell makes some guys think they can???

NEVER WALK AROUND LATE AT NIGHT ALONE OR DRUNK IN RIO...... SIMPLE.

Veterano
05-01-05, 02:22
Handyman # 2: I know Don at RioTrips and recomend him highly--he can take care of anything you need, garotas and much more

I am sure Kenn is also a good choice, altho I don't know him

Veterano

Bubba Boy
05-01-05, 19:42
Dons contact details are here http://www.amerioca.net/ , you can also see him walking around L'oumo with his own personally monogrammed robe "Donald".

Kmarxist
05-04-05, 01:53
I will be in Rio this july 22- 28. Anyone there around this time.

Hot To Cool
05-04-05, 09:40
Mack Dad,

Thanks for your Cliff Notes. The only thing I'd add is that the HSBC ATM in Leme is open after 10 PM.

N,

What you say about taxis is true. However, I don't think a walk from Help to one of the apartment buildings(where I usually stay)immediately north of the Othon hotel on Atlantica really warrants a taxi.

Hot To Cool

Just for Kix
05-05-05, 23:58
Greetings Gentlemen,

I am new to this forum and have been reviewing the wealth of information. I've been to Rio once, but not with like minded people and I had to be very discreet. I did hook up with two Help girls. The first turned out to be a huge problem (I will post details on that shortly). The second was fantastic, unfortunately I met her on my final evening and I had to meet my traveling companions and leave for GIG in the morning.

I am going back May 20-25 and would love to hang out with some like-minded fellas for some drinks, food, etc... perahaps a Help wingman? PM me if interested. I've booked my flight but not my hotel, I'm considering the Royal Rio.

Alex P Keaton
05-07-05, 00:20
Just let me have one more session with her before I leave tomorrow, then she's all yours. :) Her name is Kayla, and she works at Monte Carlo. She is young, tall, and slender. She has long brown hair with highlights in it, nice B-cup breasts, a compact bunda, and nice tan lines. Her eyes were blue, but I suspect colored contact lenses. She speaks virtually no English but good Spanish. She gave me the best GFE session I had during this trip, and she showed the capacity to do a PSE if that's what you're into.

Jayf1970
05-08-05, 02:54
Mack Dad,

Thanks a lot for a great detailed FAQ. Busy forums like this one get swamped with short conversations (which is also great) and it becomes very difficult to get comprehensive info for a first time visitor.

I promise to post a trip report after my first trip.

Nvr2L8
05-08-05, 21:21
This might help. A couple of years ago I got "clipped" with a tourist visa that expired in 90 days. I don't live in the city where the consulate is located (Houston), so I had to use a passport/visa agency. When I called to check it out, the guy wasn't helpful at all.

The next time I applied, I talked on the phone to a guy at a different agency, and he suggested that I request a visa with a 5-year duration on the visa application form.

Anyway, in section 21, "Purpose of trip", at the bottom there is a "Comments" area. The guy advised me to be as detailed as I could, and I also wrote something to the effect that "I plan to return to Brazil next year, so I would respectfully request a duration of 5 years," yadayadayada.

I got the 5-year visa, can't tell you if what I wrote made the difference. HTH.

[QUOTE=Mack Dad]After lurking in the forums I have decided to give back.

[snip]
Now here is the tricky part since the US immigration policy is less then favorable to the Brazilians they reciprocate. I have seen two people go get their visa both at the same time and one got a 30 day and the other got a 5 year. That is out of your control. Just cross your fingers and hope you get a 5 year.
[snip]

Mack Dad
05-09-05, 02:41
No problem just trying to give back. Brazil will always be my place to go. For those interested I am currently working on a FAQ for Buenos Aires and Lima. At least there you don't need a Visa.

On a side note I have noticed that Brazilian women are very feisty and love anal. Argentinean women love to lick your back end like it is their last meal. Peruvian women are somewhat submissive and like being dominated. Those are just my experiences. I am still looking for the ones love to swallow and can't keep their mouth of your lollipop stick. Next trip Colombia. Maybe I can find it there. If I can find one the likes to do all traits and look like Jenifer Lopez then would I found the perfect hoe.

JustGotBack
05-09-05, 05:30
While you should be alert in Rio, such as you would be in LA or New York, don't be paranoid. Sensational talk like this doesn't do anyone any good. I know when I read it before my first trip, it got me all wound up for nothing. I found Rio about as safe or unsafe as any large city around the world. I walked, took the bus or the subway and never took a taxi. I would walk around Copa late at night and never had any problems. By all means take a taxi if you feel more comfortable, but you aren't exactly walking through the valley of death if you aren't. There are in fact quite a few locals walking around at all hours.


Hot to Cool, the only people being robbed late at night in Copa. or Ipanema are the dumb ass tourists walking around late at night, alone or drunk... If they simply took taxies they would never have that problem.. Try and get one of the girls to take a stroll with you late at night and see what she says.. If the locals won't do it, what in the hell makes some guys think they can???

NEVER WALK AROUND LATE AT NIGHT ALONE the only people being robbed late at night in Copa. or Ipanema are the dumb ass tourists walking around late at night, alone or drunk... If they simply took taxies they would never have that problem.. Try and get one of the girls to take a stroll with you late at night and see what she says.. If the locals won't do it, what in the hell makes some guys think they can???

NEVER WALK AROUND LATE AT NIGHT ALONE OR DRUNK IN RIO...... SIMPLE.

Kmarxist
05-09-05, 17:08
Does anyone have numbers or names to girls that provide bbj or anal?

Last time I went the girls complained about size and wouldn't do it. Anal part and for bbj I only found one, but she is not in Rio anymore.

So if any of you can pm me with info or just post it.

Carrib
05-10-05, 00:53
Kmarx,

Most girls I know in Rio provide BBJ. As for anal, it depends on the girl..some do while others do not. U will get better chances in the termas.

Just got back. I totally agree with you here..in Rio just like any big city--you have to be alert. Rio is a dangerous city, but most of the tourist areas are patrolled and reasonably protected, but it doesnt mean crime doesnt happen. For the most part Avenida Atlantica is pretty safe as it is well lit and there are usually one or two squad cars stationed nearby. There have been numerous reports of tourists getting robbed walking the dimly lit side streets near help. Most of them were drunk, walking alone. Some of these girls will try and protect/warn you if she feels you are about to get robbed. That's exactly what one did when she was walking home with my VERY drunk buddy.

If you are staying near Miguel Lemos/ Xaveria da Silveria area, that little square block sometimes has muggers lurking. (whenever the coppers are not there) Some of those streets are poorly lit. if u see some guys hanging out just be careful, cross the street. Do something to make the know that you wont be an easy target. If you are walking alone, don't get blasted with your gold chains and/or new rolex flashing. Hookup with a buddy and get back to the apt /hotel together. Your last resort is that taxi.

Kenn
05-10-05, 13:50
Just because the cops are there in their cars does not mean anything. They will most likely not lift a finger to help you..........

TAKE TAXIES AT NIGHT.......................

Biggie Smalls
05-11-05, 00:42
You are in Rio now. Coming to Sao Paulo. She thinks you work in TV. PM me. And no shes not preganent, but wants to give you a new number

Veterano
05-11-05, 01:47
Good point, Kenn, the cops come from the same favelas the thugs do

The muggers are their neighbors, childhood pals, inlaws and relatives!

Having said that, I really think it is safe to walk from Terraco to the Roiss, don't you? (I will be staying at the Roiss next week)

Thanks for the input

Veterano

Macunaima
05-11-05, 03:14
Two points, Veterano:

Many, if not most, carioca muggers don't come from the favelas. Nor do most of Rio's cops. Cops are rarely, if ever, assigned to work near where they were born or live for personal safety reasons. Furthermore, this is a metropolitan area of some 10 million people. The chance, then, that a cop will recognize a mugger as a childhood friend is pretty low.

Latina Addict
05-12-05, 03:57
My buddy picked up Shakira outside Help a week ago on a wednsday. Tall, blondish, 7.5 in the face, smoking body. Kind of strung out, IMHO and I got bad vibes, but my buddy was horny. I had found the fun little spinner Luciana and was content, but he was thinking with the smaller of the male brains. This was his experience:
---initial price was a high 250 for TLN, he negotiated in her broken english to 200. (I previously briefed him that was waaayyy too high)
---He gave in to the typical **** demand of money up front.
---She only was interested in scoping out the room (5 star hotel in Copa) to include: insisting on using his laptop, looking in drawers, stuffing hotel amenaties in her purse, trying to use the phone, etc.
---Demanded to eat befor any fucking. (38 real room service bill)
---Kept asking if he had any cocaine.
---Kept talking about her Fed Ex pilot boyfriend (sorry guy), and saying that he kept saying she was crazy..Yea, NO SHIT!
---During sex refused BBBJ, kept checking constantly that condom was still on and generally being a fucking gringa like ****.
---After first pop, fell asleep. My bud woke up later and wanted to fuck, she turned even more into a **** He basically barely got penetrated and she kept say no, I wanna sleep...shit...
---He said That's enough and escorted her out. As he was escorting her to the door, she took a swing at him.
---The idiot then said as she handed him her number, so, you gonna call me?

STAY AWAY FROM SHAKIRA AROUND HELP!


PS, about my Luciana, semi pro, who, by her own numbers said she would stay with me TLN for 150 Reals.
---Luciana
---tits, 34 A, slightly saggy
---Ass, nice, small bubble ass.
---105 lbs, 5'1"
---Sltghtly saggy tummy, one kid, short hair studying turism
---Face...7
---tits...6
---Ass...8.5
---Body...7.5
---Performance, Hard riding likes it deep and on top...8.5 on Brazillian scale, maybe 4005.2 (give or take a few hundred) on the fucked up gringa scale.
---Look on her face in the second hour of straight pounding as she begged for mercy. hehe...priceless Nice girl

Moral of the story, don't pay the high dollar prices of Help **** like garotas, be patient and find the gems as I like to do.

Latina Addict

Macunaima
05-12-05, 14:32
Dude,

While Shakira sounds like a bad deal, all around, it's her right to use a condom or not and I don't see why someone being worried about their health equates to being "a stuck up gringa ****". If the guy wanted BBBJ, it's extra and he should have made that clear at the start. What, was he EMBARRASED to talk about it?

That said, your pal should've never paid up front and should've dumped her as soon as she started pushing him.

Jose Lima
05-12-05, 21:15
Macu,

I agree as soon as she started using my stuff I would have given her $R20 cab money and kicked her out. Any Monger who gets scammed or is takin advantage of is a sucker. I got scammed on my first trip to brazil by a GP and it never happened again. As soon as I feel an atitude coming on I kick them out with cab fare only. A GP tried to do that CBJ with me aout 1 year ago. I was high as all hell but I got the flock outta there and left without paying a dime.

Hey man its like your buying a service you deserve good service. If not then dont screw her and don't pay.

Latina Addict
05-13-05, 00:46
Macu dude...You are 100% right, and my buddy screwed up and is sort of an experienced monger too. Basically no excuse...BUT... About the BBBJ, yep it is her right, even considering that BBBJ is basically SOP for most GP's, it is her final decision. I need to point out the NUMEROUS other "gringa **** like" things this GP did, including I might add, attempting to assult my buddy. Any attempt to defend this type of GP is, taken in my opinion, to support a horrible work ethic.
Do you support this type of behavior from your employees? Just because sex is involved, does not justify theft, attitude, contract violation, fraud and ASSAULT!
Just the humble opinion of a very experienced monger who adores Latinas and expects a lot more for services that gain her 25% of the average monthly Carioca's salary for a few hours of fun.
All above said solely IMHO.


Latina Addict

Veterano
05-13-05, 01:59
Doesn't any but me worry 'bout retribution by her favela thug buddies? AND SHE KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE, right?

Veterano

Bubba Boy
05-13-05, 02:11
It is probably better to pay them something. Ie if no services are performed by her and you have to turf her out, maybe R30 for her. If she has agreed to stay all night and leaves after 1 pop maybe give her half. I have only had to do this less than 5 times, generally there is not a problem. I have even bumped into the same girl in Help a few days later and they still come up to me and chat, I think they lead a hard life in many respects and the odd instance of reduced payment is not a big deal to them.

Sal Dali
05-13-05, 02:52
"Dude",

Really, you can go now. You've worn out your welcome and you've been acting like the men on this list can't think on their own OR as though you're so impressive that you're going to change someone's opinion. My very strong recommendation is that you focus your efforts elsewhere. Here, you're just being seen as an irritant and I think you're only concretizing the opinions you're trying to change.

Sal D.


Dude,

While Shakira sounds like a bad deal, all around, it's her right to use a condom or not and I don't see why someone being worried about their health equates to being "a stuck up gringa ****". If the guy wanted BBBJ, it's extra and he should have made that clear at the start. What, was he EMBARRASED to talk about it?

That said, your pal should've never paid up front and should've dumped her as soon as she started pushing him.

Prosal
05-13-05, 10:55
You're right. Macunaima can now go back to his ONG.

The guy seems to be on a mission against all people who happen to enjoy a different lifestyle than himself, and talk down to us mongers as though our opinion means shit and as his own is the one and only true way ; I think the best response is to ignore his condescending posts.

Cheers

Pro

Trippleecks
05-13-05, 14:48
I don't get it. Anyone that does not think like the rest of you is not welcome here? We all have our own opinions and I think Macunaima's are well thought out and well written. If you don't agree with them that is your right but you don't have the right to ask for him to be banned from the boards.

Shit if the only things posted here were.... "I think your right man, I could not agree more" and "That's what I think".. The boards would be as boaring as hell and 1/2 the members would never bother to read anything any longer...... just my opinion and I am entitled to it..........

Slick1
05-13-05, 15:15
I have to agree with Nodd. Although I haven't really followed the Brazil board very closely until recently in preparation for my June visit, I think Macunaimas posts, although a tad bit condescending at times, are well written, intelligent, and offer a unique insiders perspective on life in Brazil. While he is quick to challenge with a differing viewpoint, those counterarguments are comprised of facts and not personal attacks. He has raised issues I never would have considered and clarified printed inaccurracies that cast a negative universal impression on what I percieve to be his backyard. No one says you or I have to agree with all he says, but we need to respect his right to say it. Having dined, conversed, and mongered with Jackson on multiple occassions in beautiful BA, I hardly think he is into censoring differing viewpoints. After all, this is the WSG not George Bush's America. ( just kidding my Republican friends)

Macunaima
05-13-05, 15:51
Latina Addict sez:

"Do you support this type of behavior from your employees? Just because sex is involved, does not justify theft, attitude, contract violation, fraud and ASSAULT!"

Hell, no. I agree that the guy definitely found a live wire - in the worst possible sense. As I said, I think the girl in question was bad news from the get-go. However, that said...

There was no contract to do BBBJ in the case at hand. As far as I can tell, this wasn't specified and it should be. ANYTHING that you want other than a quick fuck should be clearly specified. You want multiple fucks, with the girl staying all night? Get an agreement beforehand. Want a BBBJ? Agreement beforehand. Anal sex? Agreement beforehand. Like any other contract, hiring the girl's time doesn't mean you can do whatever you want. And why should you bother with this? Presuming the girl is honest (and I agree that the one in question WASN'T), this is the easiest way to avoid miscommunication, misunderstanding, bad feelings all around and a potentially nasty scene.

Secondly, Copa pros are generally nobody's employee but their own. For better or for worse, then, it's they whom determine what "quality standards" are. So the question - rhetorical though it might be - re: supporting an employee's behavior is moot. In these cases, the girl's her own employee, so whatever she decides to "support" is what goes and caveat emptor.

Finally, having met many "gringa cunts" in my life - but never having been assaulted by one - and having had various and sundry Brazilian women throw everything from ashtrays to knives at me at one point or another (and these weren't even pros, mind), I'd have to disagree with your view that one is more likely to be physically attacked by a gringa. Insult and/or injury - whether real or perceived - do not rate highly as Brazilian national dishes and members of both sexes are likely to make their disatisfaction known in very physical ways.

This is why, when all is said and done, it is my opinion that it's just easier and less stressfull to tip a girl like the above some 20-50 R$ for her time and send her politely on her way. Sure, you've been scammed, but hell, are you going to ruin your evening for a lowsy 8 USD?

Macunaima
05-13-05, 16:14
Dear Pro,

I love you, too, baby.

Kisses.

July Gan
05-13-05, 16:39
Well, I am a frequent traveller to Rio and very much enjoyed BBBJs exclusively in the "safe" environment of the top termas in Rio until I had to experience the "soft touch" of a nitrogen "torch" on my privates burning a thankfully very mild case of molluscum. I am grateful that it was just this and not herpes.

I think that we should not be too quick to dismiss Macunaima. There is never such thing as too much information. By all means do as you please but do not dismiss the obvious risks just because you don´t like to be informed that what you is risky.

Pin Junior
05-13-05, 19:25
There is a good hotel in Copacabana which does not charge extra as most of hotels in Copacabana do.

It is a good hotel called Princess Copacabana at Xavier da Silveira Street, informations here http://www.barraleme.com/Hoteis/Princess/princess.htm

The Corn Hole
05-13-05, 19:46
LA,

Have to agree on Macunaima on this one. Nothing in life is guaranteed not even BBBJ in Rio, Your buddy broke a few monger rules that should be adhere to at all times, namely asking about services beforehand and especially the cardinal rule of NEVER pay the girl upfront no matter what unless she's from an escort service. Everybody knows Help can be a mixed bag so a pre-screening them is always a good idea. Yeah, some can turn out to be vipers in pirahna's clothing which is why you ALWAYS pay after to prevent them from sweeping the rug out from underneath you.

I don't blame the girls at all for acting this way. It's the guys who are at fault, too many of them come down to Brazil with that American mentality of being overly-generous and gdp percieve this as weakness and exploit it. All Gringos should remember that Brazilian men don't tolerate crap like this and we shouldn't either!

Adickt
05-13-05, 20:54
July Gan,

I don't think your problem was an STD. I think it is more of a body contact issue. Please clear me up on this. I have had over a thousand BBJ's over the last 30 years without any problem what so ever. I did catch pink eye a couple years ago and it was very painful, if only for a day or two. I thought it was because I put on my contacts without washing my hands. It was limited to my right eye and over almost the next day, after going to a clinc and getting the cipro drops. I guess it is common in Brazil in their summer. Now I am thinking that I might have got my eye a little to close while giving DATY, or I am just becoming paranod with all this STD talk.

I wished Macunaima himself would start a much more safe terma. I would spend almost all my time there. The lines outside would be blocks long. He knows a lot of girls and could hire the good looking ones. The girls would flock to work under far more safety. I agree that he does have a point when the terma girls are giving service to so many guys everyday that the small odds increase, even if it is only BBBJ. He would quickly become a very rich man. Maybe we ought to consider going into business with him. If he needs financing, I for one would be ready to contribute with a partnership interest.

Macunaima
05-13-05, 21:50
I've no interest in becoming a pimp, Adikt. Nor would the powers that be let me even if I wanted to.

You know how hard it is to open a new termas? Most places that are currently open have been around for a looooong time. Only the names and owners change.

Bimbo Boy
05-14-05, 10:22
I support Macunaima as well. He was never abusive, and I learn about the hobby when I read his posts. Indeed he gives us an interesting insight on how is Copacabana perceived by the rest of Brazilians.

Fartknocker
05-15-05, 00:59
Mac is right about not getting into the "biz." A guy I knew -- a Brazilian guy -- decided he was going to run girls in Cabo Frio. He got a couple of Rio girls to come over for the weekend and was using a local bar as a "point of encounter." It took the local cops all of two nights to figure this out and nab him. That fiasco cost him $10,000 USD to get himself out of trouble and get permission to keep running his "business."

So then he decides to head down to the South to pick up a bunch of girls. (In the southern states there are more blondes, and the girls are generally willing to work for less money than Rio girls) He hooked up with a cafetinho ("pimp") he knew in Porto Alegre and was driving back to RJ state with a van load full of hookers when he got stopped by the Federal Police. A couple of the girls were wanted in connection with some fugitive drug dealer, and they wound up telling the police all about this guy's plan to open brothel up in Cabo. To get himself out of jail and get all of the records of the arrest erased he wound up paying out around $100,000 USD -- which was pretty much all the money he had.

Running girls in Brazil is a very dangerous business, not because the cops really give a shit about enforcing the law, but because they know they can extort a lot of money out of anyone doing this sort of thing. Any other dirty business -- like dealing drugs or smuggling -- attracts similar attention. You need to be very well-connected to pull it off succesfully, and paying a large percent of your take to various law enforcement personnel is a mandatory cost of doing business.

Any gringo trying to start up in that biz is going to wind up donating his life savings to some fucking Brazilian cop.

Rio Bob
05-15-05, 12:52
There is a good hotel in Copacabana which does not charge extra as most of hotels in Copacabana do.

It is a good hotel called Princess Copacabana at Xavier da Silveira Street, informations here http://www.barraleme.com/Hoteis/Princess/princess.htm

Looks like a good place. Did they ask you to sign your visitors in? How many blocks is it from the beach?

Sunset Strip
05-15-05, 22:24
Hey guys,

I have been receiving monthly promotions from Solarium but not MOnte Carlo.
When I went on the Monte Carlo website there was an email promotion but it was in POrtuguese.

Does anybody know what it says?

And are they (Monte Carlo) still giving a R$40 discount via email or another way?

Thanks,

TJ

Sal Dali
05-16-05, 05:35
The problem I'm having with Macunaimas is not that he's providing information. Some of the material he presents is correct. Some is not. This is pretty common and I'm not particularly jazzed by by either. Rather, the thing I'm bothered by is that it's approaching preaching and reflects a certain intolerance. It's okay with me if he posts . .. but I'd prefer that a general category be established that could be entitled something like "Macunaimas Guide to Acceptable Mongering Behavior" . . . or something similar. At least then I'd know which section to avoid.

BTW, historically I have encouraged carefulness and safety. I just expressing my aversion to long-winded diatribes lecturing people regarding adult decisions that they can make for themselves (with the information they already have).

SD


I have to agree with Nodd. Although I haven't really followed the Brazil board very closely until recently in preparation for my June visit, I think Macunaimas posts, although a tad bit condescending at times, are well written, intelligent, and offer a unique insiders perspective on life in Brazil. While he is quick to challenge with a differing viewpoint, those counterarguments are comprised of facts and not personal attacks. He has raised issues I never would have considered and clarified printed inaccurracies that cast a negative universal impression on what I percieve to be his backyard. No one says you or I have to agree with all he says, but we need to respect his right to say it. Having dined, conversed, and mongered with Jackson on multiple occassions in beautiful BA, I hardly think he is into censoring differing viewpoints. After all, this is the WSG not George Bush's America. ( just kidding my Republican friends)

Java Man
05-16-05, 06:56
TJ Fanatic:
it's been awhile since i visited the Monte Carlo website. i was unware of the e-mail promotion. i'll assume it will be the same as the Solarium e-mail promotion they send out every once in awhile (since Solarium and Monte Carlo are run by the same people): Free admission and discount for the cabin.

Terca do Prazer translates to Pleasure Tuesday
Nome = Name
Idade = Age

e-mail

Você já é cliente da Monte Carlo? Sim/Não
Are you already a customer of Monte Carlo? Yes/No

O Desconto você ficará sabendo quando receber o E-mail com a confirmação.
Lembre-se : É obrigatório o preenchimento de todos os campos acima. Aguarde a confirmação e o valor do seu desconto por e-mail. Imprima-o e leve-o no dia da festa, entregando em nossa recepção

Roughly translated:
You will receive the Discount when you receive the confirmation email.
Remember: complete all the fields above. Save the confirmation and the discount email. Print it and take it in the day of the party, giving it to the reception desk. (inorder to receive the discount.)

my understanding: the Solarium email discount was also honored by Monte Carlo when presented to the reception desk.

Member #3411
05-16-05, 17:06
Dear mongers,

I just got back from a wonderful one week trip to RJ.

First of all I would like to thank you for all the contributing members (especially Rio Bob, Macunamia, Bubba Boy, justgotback, Nodd N, Lorenzo and Y&R) of the Brazilian Board whose posts have provided excellent information and inspired my first visit to Rio.

Although I have wished to return the favor to the board with "off the beaten track" potential mongering scenes through non-pro carioca girls, for some technical reasons I could not manage it this time.

Here are some highlights of my trip. Unfortunately, there is nothing much original but hope it helps someone.

Crime and Safety : Well, prior to my trip, some posts over here quite scared me and made me think twice whether it is a good idea to go Rio at all. After spending one week there, I can gladly say Rio is quite safe, at least my experience was like that. Neither did I never feel myself in danger of some sort nor did I witness any sort of mugging. I walked many times and late at night, on Av. Atlantica and Av. NS de Copacabana, even the side streets and it was just fine. However, as previously advised over here I followed some simple important rules like I was never drunk, always aware of my surrondings and acted comfortably, did not dress flashy or wore any juwellry or expensive watches. If you dress or act like you are coming from a different planet, you are bound to attract interest and possibly get mugged anywhere in the second or third world. Though, your chances can be slightly higher in Rio.

Logistics : Due to pre-trip security concerns, I have decided to stay in a hotel this time and my choice was Rio Roiss. I booked it thorugh ipanema.com and got a rate of $50 plus tax for a single room. Good location, very close to Help and M. Pataca (Easy walking distance after Help with the garota. The only hassle was the cab drivers. Imho, cabs in that area should be avoided any time of the day, not only at night).The room was acceptable as I did not intend to spend much time in the room except for the sleep and the sexo. The only problem was the noisy airco. No problem or extra charges if you book a double room. If you book a single, the norm is to pay the difference which is something like R$50. However, if you tip the reception for something like R$20 you can avoid the single/double difference. The problem is you have to do it each nite because the night shift changes daily. First time I took a girl to the hotel, I slipped R$ 20 and it was just fine. The second night, I only slipped R$15 (had no change). After the girl left in the morning, just when I was about to fell asleep, I heard a knock on my door and was surprised to find the doorman (the fat one with the moustache for those who know the hotel) asking for an additional R$10 for not putting it up on the bill. I was so fucking furious, asked my R$15 back and told him to put it on the bill. For next time they maybe think twice (umm maybe not).

Next : Help, Therma sampling and other comments

Sunset Strip
05-17-05, 15:36
Chingon,

Thanks for the translation, that was a big help.

TJ

Bubba Boy
05-17-05, 17:59
Just hit Rio. It is definitely quieter now since my last visit 2 months ago. Even the second section of Help is closed, not enough patrons. Hell, I was in there at 11.45pm on Sunday and there were only about 50 people in, it did fill up quickly by 12.30am, however my point is there is alot less people in Rio now.

Even a couple of the termas were very slow for the girls, I would think alot of the T girls did not make any $ that night. I know alot of girls that are in Europe for the summer, I am even meeting a couple of them when I am getting home (seperate visits of course).

Another point, the prices of general services is now about 10% more everywhere. Taxis have a seperate sheet with an additional charge to reflect their prices which is not yet reflected on their meters. The metro is now R2.25 up from R2.00. Hotels are also up a bit on last years prices at this time of the year. IE Princess Copacabana, this time last year was R170 on the weekends and R216 during the week, now it is R190 & R248.

Weather is still nice, mid 20's C during the day and low 20's C during the night .

I agree totally with Sal Dali's comments in regards to Macunaimas posts. Adding to this, If he is to continue to post he should do it in the correct topic on this board. The report section is not the correct place. He would be better to keep to the "general living" section as he does not monger.

Bubba Boy
05-17-05, 18:12
Can some one give me some info on the Scotch Bar in Lido? I had the addess but fucked if i could find it.

Sun Seeker
05-17-05, 19:29
Earlier this month I made my fifth trip to Rio, this time for 8 nights.

General

This is the first time that I have visited Rio outside the peak holiday period of November to March. There were noticeably fewer ‘gringos’ around but also fewer ‘garotas’ and fewer really hot ‘garotas’. Overall I think that the supply / demand equation was better for the ‘gringo’ in May, and asking prices in Help were lower than recent visits in November 04 and January 05.

The quality of the different termas can vary by month or week or even by night depending on who is working there, so my impressions given below could have been different if I had gone a different nights. The girls do move on, and in some termas it was noticeable that certain favourite girls had stopped working.

A lot of girls from termas and Help took the initiative to suggest meeting up another day, but then didn’t show up. Then when you call them they re-arrange and then don’t show up again. I know of other people who had the same happen to them. It gets to the stage where you consider double-booking so that at least one will show up.

The real continues to appreciate, and yet prices for items such as hotels and taxis are increasing, so reals are worth more and they get paid more of them. The price of the official taxis from GIG airport has increased from 50 to 60 reals, so I took the advice of Bubba Boy and went upstairs to the departures level and negotiated 40 real with a taxi dropping someone off for a flight departure. Taxis have an increased tariff but their meters have not been adjusted so the drivers use a sort of bingo card to calculate the higher amount now due. A lot of hotels have increased their published USD rates that they then convert into reals for local billing.

Help

I visited Help on four occasions and took a girl out twice. Opening asking prices were down 50-100real from the peak season. As usual there was a variety of girls to cater for all tastes, but very few really hot girls and they were the usual Help ‘stars’ who are there every night. At the next level down there are some very cute girls who can be a lot of fun, but no matter how much you screen a girl from Help, it is always a bit of a lottery about what she will actually be like when you get back to your hotel. One of the girls I took out was really sweet, enthusiastic and stayed well into the next day and wanted to meet up on the beach, while the other was a complete waste of time (tall pretty morena, sorry can’t remember her name).
I know of someone else who paid upfront for all night and after a couple of hours the girl claimed to be taking a shower but left the shower running and sneaked out of the apartment (Patricia, pretty morena with silicon implants). Someone else had a girl who agreed to all night but started smashing up the apartment when she wanted to leave after a couple of hours but be paid the all night rate (sorry can’t remember her name). When you go into Help, the girls are playing at home and the dice is loaded in their favour. So, buyer beware.

Solarium

I visited Solarium four times. Price 220 real for 40 minutes. The girls are not 10's but there is a good selection of 8's, they are all good fun, and I love it when they shake their booty and dance to the samba music. I had great times with all the girls that I chose. Milena (twice), full figure morena; Maya, slim morena; and another tall morena sorry can’t remember her name she also had a great body although silicon implants.

Luomo

I visited Luomo twice. Price 210real for 40 minutes. Slightly disappointed compared with previous visits and some of my favourite girls had left (Bruna and Adriana), but Luomo was still a very good choice. The girls are all good fun, and again it is great the way they strut their stuff on the dance floor. I chose Nicol, a mulatta, and Naomi another mulatta (featured in the photos section). Both were great in the cabin.

Quatro x Quatro

I went here once. Price 190 real for 40 minutes but if you take a room before 5pm they waive the entrance fee element so net cost 150 real for 40 minutes. I think it is the best terma in Rio, but unfortunately it is a long journey if you are staying in the zonal sul tourist area. The metro from Rua Siqueira Campos to Urigayana is fine and cheap but just takes ages.

Quatro x Quatro opens at 2pm, so plenty of time to have a couple of girls before the 5pm entrance fee becomes payable. After 4pm the place starts filling up with locals as they finish work for the day, then just before 5pm there is a rush to chose a girl before the 5pm deadline.

The terma is much bigger than the others and has loads more girls with plenty of quality choices. I chose Diana (pronounced Giana), who I saw in January, a tall morena with big eyes and hair tied tight and high behind her head, a top performer in the cabin. The next girl I chose was Angel, a petit brunette with Poco Hontas looks, again great performance in the cabin.

Monte Carlo

I went here once. It is quite big and has plenty of girls but nothing appealed to me. Somehow I have never really enjoyed Monte Carlo, but others love it.

Centauraus

I went once only because I have met a couple of really great girls there in the past but recent visits have been very disappointing. Price 310 real for 40 minute. On this trip it was as disappointing as before, I hung around for ages but eventually found a really beautiful petit morena from Minais Girais calling herself Mona Lisa.

Unfortunately when we got into the cabin she was a complete waste of time.
Unlike other termas the girls at Centauraus don’t bother to dance, they hassle you all the time and don’t take nao easily.

Once again I managed to get into Centauraus with only paying the entrance fee so I could have bailed out if I wanted. The girls are now wearing new outfits which consist of tight nylon trousers and cropped nylon blouses on top. The reason given was that bikinis were too cold now it is winter time in Rio, but I don’t know why they couldn’t just turn up the air conditioning and keep the bikinis. With the new outfits it is not so easy to see what you are getting.

I am planning to return to Rio in October.

Dark Knight
05-17-05, 19:36
....READING WITH SOME INTEREST THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN MACUNAIMA AND OTHERS....

I guess what I find most disturbing is not anyone who would "preach" to me (personally, I didn't interpret it that way - Mac seems fine). Rather, the type of person who throws the phrase 'typical gringa ****' around so loosely.

Macunaima
05-17-05, 23:47
Sal Dali sezs: "The problem I'm having with Macunaimas is not that he's providing information".

Then you haven't been reading my posts very carefully, Sal. I've been providing a lot of info that, apparently, other mongers don't provide. Whether or not you find that info useful is your call, of course. But I fail to see what informing people about Centuarus YET AGAIN would add to the conversation here. Shit, you want info on prices or where to go, there's thousands of people here providing it. I feel no need to copy them.

I'd rather post about the things I do know quite a bit about - particularly Brazilian laws re: mongering.

As for what material I've presented that's "not correct" in your lights, maybe you could perhaps specify details?

Carrib
05-18-05, 03:49
Please do try and remember these sluts names who are running game. Take pics and post them here so other mongers can steer clear. I for one have only paid upfront once and I got burned as well, simply wrote it off.

its seems that some of them are getting hipped to that game as well, and are agreeing to get paid after the deed only pull some other bullshit.

Do know that most building security, if you get to know them, dont tolerate shit from these gdps. a quick call downstairs, provided you can explain your situation in portuguese, will get her a swift "pe na bunda".

Here are a few pointers: Please use some common sense. If for any reason you are feeling a bad vibe, dont take her. If you have trouble with this, stick to the termas babes.

Whenever you hear the words "primero dinero", show her ass the door, or as the say "pe na bunda" KICK IN THE ASS.

Sal Dali
05-18-05, 20:26
Hey,

Please read the sentence again. It means that I don't have a problem with your providing info, it's how you're doing it.


Sal Dali sezs: "The problem I'm having with Macunaimas IS NOT that he's providing information".

Then you haven't been reading my posts very carefully, Sal.

Member #3411
05-18-05, 22:40
Thermas

Last week I have visited 3 thermas based on previous recommendations on the board.

Luomo:

I will never forget Luomo. My first therma, first morena, first Greek :)

The second I entered Luomo on my 4th day in Rio, a cute little morena named SOL (23) came on to me. Very cute face, smoking body and although she spoke no english and I speak no portugese it was absolute fun. The time in the cabin was sensational. She is a true safada. The mirrors gave it the effect that you are acting star in a porn. And Sol loved watching it too! Unfortunately, she was so great that I couldn't last too long. We spent some time cuddling and teaching each other words when little Atre woke up again. Well, being a newbie in the therma scene I do not know if it is the norm, but as soon as she saw the hard-on, we began the second round. Wow!

Repeated the session the next day with her. Again 2rounds in 40 minutes. Almost fall in love with this girl. I regret being so lazy with the cam. If someone has a photo of her, I would be most grateful if you could share it with us. One note. She doers CBJ. So if you are a BBBJ fan better negotiate it at the beginning. It was fine for me.

After Sol I made a third round with a tall morena with a cute face. Forgot her name.Figured out that her beauty is not equivalent to her performance in the cabin. She asked if I could meet her at Help that night. I said yes but fall asleep at the hotel.

Luomo has a small boite but I think it makes it more intimate :)

4X4

If you are someone having difficulty making choices,imho this therma is not for you. Lots of girls catering a wide range of taste. Maybe i had a bad timing (just before 5 pm rush) but the ratio of girls to men (mostly locals) was almost 1 to 1. I didnt find the girls very friendly and I spotted no pre-cabin making out. I put a stop-loss on time and left without taking a girl.

Monte Carlo

Very convinient location close to Av. Atlentico. I liked this therma a lot. Lots of girls. Even the robes and slippers were nicer. Good sauna and steam room.Took another morena here. Nothing to write home about. After the session, went back to the boite. Made out with a few other girls. This therma,i think has the best garota-men ratio of the 3 thermas that I have visited. I like petite women rather than tall ones, so lots of girls that I would love to do. If I had more time.

El Apodo
05-18-05, 23:30
Quatro x Quatro

I think it is the best terma in Rio, but unfortunately it is a long journey if you are staying in the zonal sul tourist area. The metro from Rua Siqueira Campos to Urigayana is fine and cheap but just takes ages.



By my watch it was 27 minutes from the top of the Siqueira Campos metro station to the door of 4x4 via the Metro. It might be a couple of minutes shorter by taxi, but at 2R compared to 20R+. I can plan accordingly!

Latina Addict
05-19-05, 01:04
Gosh, any one else having problems with those pesky ass sucking mosquitos in this forum? Hmmm, must just be me.
BTW "typical gringa ****" fit just fine the description and pictue I was trying to paint. If I am speaking too fast I will slowwwww down a bit for the children that are buzzing around my head.
Of course the expected flaming from the before mentioned ass sucking mosquitos shall go 100% unresponded to. Not worth further 1's and 0's.
Latina addict ( a non ass sucking mosquito) and damn proud of it. Ciao.

Dark Knight
05-19-05, 01:55
Just be glad you're not one of the sad little guys who are incapable of forging any relationships with women unless they have reais in hand.

Some guys get Addicted to paying for bad experiences... and ultimately become lonely and hostile.

Sunseeker... thanks for the post... nice topline.

Mack Dad
05-19-05, 09:48
Who is going to be in Rio this weekend? I will be there from this Friday till Sunday. PM me for contact info. Look up my previous posts and you will know what knowledge I can share.

Sun Seeker
05-19-05, 20:43
Carrib,

My post perhaps wasn’t clear, but I never pay up front for Help girls. However someone who I met who was making his first visit to Rio told me about that he had paid up front for a Help girl (Patricia) and she had pretended to be in the shower but actually sneaked out of his apartment. We actually saw her in Help a few nights later.

I showed the Rio newbie a copy of Bubba Boy’s report so he wouldn’t make any more mistakes.

El Apodo,

Point taken about journey time from Rua Siqueira Campos, I meant my total journey time is ages. I always stay in Ipanema, and the bus from Ipanema to Rua Siqueira Campos takes at least 30 minutes so the total journey time, bus and metro, is over one hour each way. I never take a taxi to Quatro x Quatro.

Latina Addict
05-19-05, 22:33
Had an unbelievable experience in a Centro terma just minutes ago. Was with a light skinned mulata. Location similar to 8 floors of *****s in Sao Paulo, but 4 floors, 60+ Garotas. Literally 5 or 6 stunners, and the most ugly there on the Latina Addict scale was maybe..hhmmm a 6. Chose a 19YO going on 14. Demanded to see ID, gladly showed me she WAS born in 1985! Synopsis:

---Name...Valkira Overall a 9.9 on my picky, I love em cute, young and slim scale. Just ask Biggie smalls if I am picky...PPY..Pretty, petite, young...
---age...19, JUST 19, looked 14, re. the demand to see ID .Could easily pass for very much younger.
---Weight.. By her own words 36 kilos. wow
---Tits..Perfect little A cups, rock hard, awsome perky hard nipples.
---face 8 ++
---hair, awsome lightly curly Carioca black, below shoulders. Green eyes (fake)
---Body...10+ wow guys,I could not beleive she was even better than my previously reported wild eye Garota in MY Love.
---BBBJ... 9.5..pornstar style, with vigor, BB without requesting.
---Bucetinha..The most tiniest cutest I have ever seen bar none. That tiny thing was tight, and at the most 2 inches from the clit to the beginning of the taint.
---performance..10+ Loved cowgirl style and came loudly, fiercely and with tons of sweat. Wow...Dripping pussy. She says she LOVES Gringos!
---Overall, freaking awsome GFE with not one hint fucking Gringa **** like attitude, previously mentioned with my buddy. Gringa **** like attitude...Gringa **** like attitude...Gringa **** like attitude...Gringa **** like attitude...Gringa **** like attitude...Gringa **** like attitude...Gringa **** like attitude.. SORRY, I just love the way that sounds. I digress.
She wants to see me later and do TLN (her suggestion) she said whatever I want to pay her is ok. I said 50 per hour is wayyy too high and she laughed hysterically and said oh My God of course it is! I will offer my max of 150 Reals for TLN, 12 hours.

This place is 17 minutes from Copa, and only 55 cents on the Metro, and is 50 yards from the station. Hours are 9 am to 8:30 PM.
Prices for EVERYBODY inhouse is 1 Real per minute plus 2. ie. half hour for 32 Reals ( 12 bucks!) Take out is a pretty much a flat fee (do not pay more) of 50 Reals an hour, Motels are nearby).
Now, if you can handle the 8 floors of *****s in sao Paulo, then this is your place! Not been to Villa Mimosa yet, but the locals say is cleaner, and safer. Beers are 3 Reals. You do need a little higher "eeewww" threshold than you need at Luomo, but wow, you could fuck there all day for mere pennies compared to the higher end termas. Or, take out for 50 an hour, or try there once, and invite out, whatever, you guys know. I finally have a camera now and will start with pics soon to back up my reports.
Ok, now you ask, exactly where is this place? If you are not a condescending pinhead, PM me. I would love to share some of my goldmines I have found. And vice versa. Tonight, will be outside Help with my newly educated, previously fucked over buddy. We will be on the look out for Shakira.

Latina Addict

Mex005
05-20-05, 03:59
Hi,

I am in Rio from Tuesday afternoon to Saturday afternoon. For work, but hope to find some time for pleasure as well. I only know the Rio location at Help disco, and had some nice time with 18Y old nice GF-like girl. Read a lot about termas in this forum, and would enjoy a try-out, but I am not the person to go alone, so if somebody wants to join me, let me know.

Cheers,

Mex

Sunset Strip
05-20-05, 18:42
Latina addict,

Can you tell us exactly which metro station this therma is near by?

Thanks

Also, do you guys think prices at these smaller thermas may go up now that more non-Brazilians are visiting them?

TJ

Monger 3
05-20-05, 20:27
Had an unbelievable experience in a Centro terma just minutes ago. Was with a light skinned mulata. Location similar to 8 floors of *****s in Sao Paulo, but 4 floors, 60+ Garotas. Literally 5 or 6 stunners, and the most ugly there on the Latina Addict scale was maybe..hhmmm a 6. Chose a 19YO going on 14. Demanded to see ID, gladly showed me she WAS born in 1985! Synopsis:

---Name...Valkira Overall a 9.9 on my picky, I love em cute, young and slim scale. Just ask Biggie smalls if I am picky...PPY..Pretty, petite, young...
---age...19, JUST 19, looked 14, re. the demand to see ID .Could easily pass for very much younger.
---Weight.. By her own words 36 kilos. wow
---Tits..Perfect little A cups, rock hard, awsome perky hard nipples.
---face 8 ++
---hair, awsome lightly curly Carioca black, below shoulders. Green eyes (fake)
---Body...10+ wow guys,I could not beleive she was even better than my previously reported wild eye Garota in MY Love.
---BBBJ... 9.5..pornstar style, with vigor, BB without requesting.
---Bucetinha..The most tiniest cutest I have ever seen bar none. That tiny thing was tight, and at the most 2 inches from the clit to the beginning of the taint.
---performance..10+ Loved cowgirl style and came loudly, fiercely and with tons of sweat. Wow...Dripping pussy. She says she LOVES Gringos!
---Overall, freaking awsome GFE with not one hint fucking Gringa **** like attitude, previously mentioned with my buddy. Gringa **** like attitude...Gringa **** like attitude...Gringa **** like attitude...Gringa **** like attitude...Gringa **** like attitude...Gringa **** like attitude...Gringa **** like attitude.. SORRY, I just love the way that sounds. I digress.
She wants to see me later and do TLN (her suggestion) she said whatever I want to pay her is ok. I said 50 per hour is wayyy too high and she laughed hysterically and said oh My God of course it is! I will offer my max of 150 Reals for TLN, 12 hours.

This place is 17 minutes from Copa, and only 55 cents on the Metro, and is 50 yards from the station. Hours are 9 am to 8:30 PM.
Prices for EVERYBODY inhouse is 1 Real per minute plus 2. ie. half hour for 32 Reals ( 12 bucks!) Take out is a pretty much a flat fee (do not pay more) of 50 Reals an hour, Motels are nearby).
Now, if you can handle the 8 floors of *****s in sao Paulo, then this is your place! Not been to Villa Mimosa yet, but the locals say is cleaner, and safer. Beers are 3 Reals. You do need a little higher "eeewww" threshold than you need at Luomo, but wow, you could fuck there all day for mere pennies compared to the higher end termas. Or, take out for 50 an hour, or try there once, and invite out, whatever, you guys know. I finally have a camera now and will start with pics soon to back up my reports.
Ok, now you ask, exactly where is this place? If you are not a condescending pinhead, PM me. I would love to share some of my goldmines I have found. And vice versa. Tonight, will be outside Help with my newly educated, previously fucked over buddy. We will be on the look out for Shakira.

Latina AddictThis my kind of place. Where was it and what is it called. Not a proficient Portuguese speaker, but can get around, and speak fluent Spanish. For a brotha on a budget, this place sounds it!

Reinhardt2002
05-21-05, 00:52
Had an unbelievable experience in a Centro terma just minutes ago. Was with a light skinned mulata. Location similar to 8 floors of *****s in Sao Paulo, but 4 floors, 60+ Garotas. Literally 5 or 6 stunners, and the most ugly there on the Latina Addict scale was maybe..hhmmm a 6. Chose a 19YO going on 14. Demanded to see ID, gladly showed me she WAS born in 1985!

Latina Addict Hi Latina Addict,

Do you remember the address of this house ? Is shure in Rio's downtown ?

I know two address like this in Rio:

R.Uruguaiana, 24 (24,Uruguaiana str) - 5 floors

R.Carioca,59 (59,Carioca Str) - 5 floors

But I advise: is a undergroud circiut, prices betwen R$10,00 to R$40,00 (US$ 4,00 to US$ 13,00), whit very,very luck you can find few good girls.

Jayf1970
05-21-05, 16:32
Fellow Mongers,

After reading reports on several cities, Rio looks most appealing for a mongering vacation. My vacation is next month (June). My question is: is it a good time to visit Rio? Or is it going to be totally dead?

How about the weather? I have read the reports and some books on Rio as well. But just want to hear from someone first-hand. Is the weather good enough to enjoy mongering?

Thanks a lot guys for all the great info.

-JayF

Perkele
05-21-05, 21:33
Fellow Mongers,

After reading reports on several cities, Rio looks most appealing for a mongering vacation. My vacation is next month (June). My question is: is it a good time to visit Rio? Or is it going to be totally dead?

How about the weather? I have read the reports and some books on Rio as well. But just want to hear from someone first-hand. Is the weather good enough to enjoy mongering?

Thanks a lot guys for all the great info.

-JayFFirst of all, there will be girls all around the year and going on low season might be good thing to do. Less tourists, less business to the girls -> cheaper etc.

Weather. Average temperature from 66 to 77 and rainfall 3.2 inches (source weather.com)

From the experience the weather can be pretty cold, especially during the nights when its raining.

Go ahead and have fun.

P

Rio Bob
05-21-05, 23:01
Fellow Mongers,

After reading reports on several cities, Rio looks most appealing for a mongering vacation. My vacation is next month (June). My question is: is it a good time to visit Rio? Or is it going to be totally dead?

How about the weather? I have read the reports and some books on Rio as well. But just want to hear from someone first-hand. Is the weather good enough to enjoy mongering?

Thanks a lot guys for all the great info.

-JayF

Jay, the wether may be great for mongering as it will not be too hot, maybe during the day it could reach high 70's and possibly 80. Since this is off season then freelancers may charge less since there is less demand but on the other hand you may not have the plentiful selection to choose from as many of the girls may stay in their hometowns or be in Europe working. Any time of year is always a good time to go to Rio, I have probably been there in every season and always had a good time. Don't let the month stop you.

Macunaima
05-22-05, 01:01
You're right about that Sal. I was the one not reading carefully enough.

Sorry

Bubba Boy
05-22-05, 03:28
Weather is Ok right now. Quality at Help is Ok, because there are not that many guys here, hence you can pick and choose. Think a ratio of upto 10 girls to 1 guy at the moment. I kid you not, some nights this there has been less than 50 guys in there.

Terma quality is average. It seems every hot chick without kids is in Europe right now. I have found a few hotties but they have had boyfriends and hence not overally warm in the sack. Man I have to put that on the list before taking them to the cabine. Excuse me miss but do you 1)take in the ass? 2)Chupa sim? 3)have no boyfriend? if it is yes to all those questions nos vamos.............

Bubba Boy
05-22-05, 15:44
To put things into perspective an "average" performance by a terma girl is way better than most P4P in any other country. I am not complaining as such, just that I have had better here. One girl even tried to give CBJ, that lasted about 10 seconds when she saw the horrified look on my face. She then proceeded with a decent BBBJ.

Help: there have been some quality girls of late. Probably because normally the hotties get snapped up to quickly and I don't get to see them.

There are not many mongers in Rio at the moment, less girls than normal as well but still enough to enoy oneself.

Member #3411
05-22-05, 21:04
A few therma girls that I have chatted told me that they go to Help after the their thermas are closed at 1 am. In fact, last Saturday I have seen a bunch of Luomo girls (5 or 6) partying with their latest clients.

Therefore, imho after 1 am your chances of getting a cutie increases. Plus "the pressure of sales" and increased competition means lower prices.

Again last saturday at Help, I have chatted with a blue eyed hottie with a drop dead body from mineis gerais or somehere like that whose opening price was 250 R$. Without waiting for my counter-offer, she dropped down first to 200 R$ and then to 150 R$. Due to techinal reasons, I have to pass. I saw her 30 minutes later when she offered me a double, R$ 100 for her and R$ 100 for her friend...man...

Nevertheless, the situation can change very quickly and beauties are picked up so fast so dont hesitate when you see something that you really like.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]
Help: there have been some quality girls of late. Probably because normally the hotties get snapped up to quickly and I don't get to see them.

Round the World
05-24-05, 16:17
Anyone interested in joining forces, swapping tips, sharing a beer at Help this coming Monday and Tuesday nights (May 30-31).

I'm a senior member with lots of contributions in the FKK, Spain and Mexico boards coming to GIG for the first time. I'd greatly appreciate the camaraderie this board has shown in the past.

Cheers,
RtW

Mex005
05-25-05, 01:07
I just called in Erika from newscort.com Hopefully it will be a good experience. I will let you know.

M

Mex005
05-25-05, 04:00
OK, the report on Erika. In a way, disappointing. As I do not use escort services normally, it was exciting in the beginning, and yes the girl was nice, but her face was a 5, and her body a 7, so I am not sure if the picture on newscort.com was close to reality, but he, everyone has to learn. Total price was way too much, 120 for 2 hours + 100 taxi and 30 USD extra for hotel quest, so roughly 120 USD total. Way too much, so I am not going to do this again, but as said, this is learning money.
I decided after 1.5 hours that she could go, I had enough.

That was it,

Mex

Hojo
05-25-05, 04:10
To put things into perspective an "average" performance by a terma girl is way better than most P4P in any other country.

I agree with Bubba Boy. Most of these therma girls will give you porn star performance. What a country!

And when you are at the bar between sessions, thema girls make you feel like the man. There is lots of fondling, groping and biting (by the girls).

pop till you drop,
hojo

Carrib
05-25-05, 12:45
OK, the report on Erika. In a way, disappointing. As I do not use escort services normally, it was exciting in the beginning, and yes the girl was nice, but her face was a 5, and her body a 7, so I am not sure if the picture on newscort.com was close to reality, but he, everyone has to learn. Total price was way too much, 120 for 2 hours + 100 taxi and 30 USD extra for hotel quest, so roughly 120 USD total. Way too much, so I am not going to do this again, but as said, this is learning money.

I decided after 1.5 hours that she could go, I had enough.

That was it.

Mex100 reals for a taxi? Listen, there is no place in rio that charges 100 REALS to get to via taxi. The most is 20-30 reals. In fact I beleive that the price is actually 100 reals for 2 hours and the 20 is the TAXI fee. So you got hit for an extra 100. She is coming from the agency right and will need to go back to pay the madam/pimp. What agency is going to setup shop way the fuck out? the furthest is Barra, where it costs about 20-25 reals to get to from Copacabana.

As for the hotel fee, you got taken there as well. There are love motels that charge about 40 reals for a few hours. Please read these boards as u have loads of information at your disposal. This is slow season and you should be paying no more than 150-200 reals ALL night for a fine ass girl. If you will be there much longer check out and get an apartment. You can get on real nice apt for about 40-50 USD.

They saw you coming a mile away, but that's okay. Learn from it, that's what this board is for and enjoy your rio trip. :)

Look at Karla models or http://www.scortshow.com.br/principal.html same agency 100 reals for 2 hours and NO more than 20 reals tip for a taxi. They also have a book that a girl that stays in copa can bring you, and that is FREE as well. Its okay to say "FUCK you I will not pay that!"

Rabo Verde
05-25-05, 19:49
I want to put in my two cents. You guys, especially newcomers, should just quit using hotels, you will be much better off in an apartment!!! KENN on this board is an agent for a number of good apartments, is a local in Rio, a wounded Vietnam vet, and will set you up with an apartment, arrange for your pick-up from the airport, etc. He has helped me many times, and is highly recommended. He doesn't like to toot his own horn here, so I will do it for him. His website is:

http://www.ez-riorentals.com/

Cachorro
05-26-05, 13:13
Carrib,

You'd expect to pay her taxi both ways, so that makes 50 reais each way. It would be hard to spend 50 on a taxi in Rio, but maybe not impossible. Say between Barra and an agency in Tijuca, or something like that.

Not sure when you were there last, but in April taxis had their prices increased just over 10%. Not so cheap as it once was.

Hoo Doo
05-26-05, 23:55
Carrib,

I do agree with you about the apartment vs. hotel view. But i must add that for a first timer a hotel can be the right move, with an apartment rental being a more progressive move on future visits (After the first visit the hook will be set..Deep!!). There is a certain amount of Knowledge that will be needed when renting an apartment so that one does'nt get riped off and truely recieves what he's look'n for, knowledge that a first timer won't have.

There are quite a few unsavorey characters down there (legit or not) look'n for a berry to pick. A hotel on the first vist can provide a stress free time while one gets the lay of the land. No pun intended.

Rio Bob
05-27-05, 00:33
A few therma girls that I have chatted told me that they go to Help after the their thermas are closed at 1 am. In fact, last Saturday I have seen a bunch of Luomo girls (5 or 6) partying with their latest clients.

Therefore, imho after 1 am your chances of getting a cutie increases. Plus "the pressure of sales" and increased competition means lower prices.

.

Yes all true, even the girls from Barbarellas will go to Help on their off days or after they get out of Barbarellas or any other boite in the Lido section, I even have pulled a school teacher out of Help one time while she was talking to her ex fiance, it was something to think about. You will find all types in Help at one time or another in addition to the hard core regulars, once I even found Chuponalgas inside Help.

Carrib
05-27-05, 00:55
Carrib,

You'd expect to pay her taxi both ways, so that makes 50 reais each way. It would be hard to spend 50 on a taxi in Rio, but maybe not impossible. Say between Barra and an agency in Tijuca, or something like that.

Not sure when you were there last, but in April taxis had their prices increased just over 10%. Not so cheap as it once was.I must admit that I dont use these rio escort services much (not much need for them in rio) I've used them about 4 times total, but I have NEVER paid more than 20 reals for a taxi. when in Bahia, I usually use http://www.sexomais.com/--if I am going for P4p action. The boites in Salvador are dumps.

Jellyfish
05-28-05, 17:40
Hey Guys, I am planning a trip to Rio soon and I need a good crash course on the scene there. Has anyone posted to this board a good summary of the Rio mongering scene: i.e. locations of clubs, brothels, places to meet normal chicks, places to stay, places to eat, stuff to do etc.? I dont have enough time to sift through all of the posts and I need a good summary. If anyone can point me in the right direction with a link I would really appreciate it. Many Thanks Guys.

Latina Addict
05-28-05, 17:44
Hey Mac, listen everybody knows we have our disagreements, but listen, there was a post this morning at 08:25 telling you to fuck off. This was not written by me and I sincerely apologise if you saw it. My password was obviously stolen in a locutorio, and those were not my words. Sorry dude...

Latina addict

RexG
05-29-05, 04:22
Hey Guys, I am planning a trip to Rio soon and I need a good crash course on the scene there. Has anyone posted to this board a good summary of the Rio mongering scene: i.e. locations of clubs, brothels, places to meet normal chicks, places to stay, places to eat, stuff to do etc.? I dont have enough time to sift through all of the posts and I need a good summary. If anyone can point me in the right direction with a link I would really appreciate it. Many Thanks Guys.Do a search for posts authored by "Bubba Boy". In the same search, specify "Part" to be searched for in the title of the posts. This will yield a nice 5 part overview of the Rio experience.

Rio Bob
05-30-05, 12:51
Daniella Cicarelli rules out reconciliation with Ronaldo

Brazilian model Daniella Cicarelli ruled out a reconciliation with his former couple Real Madrid striker Ronaldo.

Cicarelli, as cited by daily Extra, considered as definitive her separation with Ronaldo, which occurred two weeks ago.

The model returned to Brazil and resumed her work with MTV channel.

According to the press, the model has been seen as of late in night-clubs, beaches and stores of Rio de Janeiro.

I wonder which nightclubs in Rio they are refering to, they're aren't that many. Imagine bumping into her in one of Rio's nightclubs or at the beach Wow.

Kenn
05-30-05, 14:02
The longer I'm here the more I believe that escort agencies are the way to go... 150-200.reais for 2 hours and most times you can get a phone number for her for the weekends when many agencies close..

Termas cost 200.reais and up for a 40 min. session and if you have 2 girls you can pay 400-500.reais for an hour.... Help is way too pricey and Meia Pataca, Mabs and Balcony Bar is "most times" just full of street trash.. Dishonest and ready to rip you off at the first chance they see............

Hojo
05-30-05, 19:02
Hello guys,

I´ve left Help 2 nights in a row empty handed. I like to leave with 9 ot 10s, but I have only been able to see 4 of them. One 19yr old wanted $300R for 1 hour. My strategy is, if she has an attitude at Help, you´ll have more problems with her later.

This is crazy. Thank God for Thermas. I have had 2 excelent sessions in Lumono with 2 different blonds. My favorite girl Shayla is still there. I posted pictures of her on the picture thread a few months back.

If you are shopping for the blue pill. The blue pill price is $114R for a 4 pill box of 50 mg, and $178 for a 4 pill box of 100 mg. I got these prices at the Drug Store on Rua Djalma Urich 1 block from Avenida Atlantica.

If you are in an apartment close to Help, read my post on the crime thread. muggers are out in force this week.

pop till you drop,
hojo

Carrib
05-30-05, 20:19
Good for you! 300R/hr and during slow season? A bit of advice, the drugstores around help/meia pattacca have become hipped to gringoes buying Viagra and cialis and have raised the price accordingly. Its been a long while since I purchased viagra--(cialis works better for me)

I have paid 108 reals for a 4 pack of 20mg of Cialis (rua figaroa de Magaresh) but I've heard that some drugstores that sell it for as low as 95 reals.

178reals for viagra seems excessive

I've stopped going to Help for the reason you mentioned. Garotas asking ridiculous prices for subpar performance, the only way we are going to correct this is by doing exactly what you did. Hats off to you Hojo!! now I only wish that other mongers would follow your lead.

Bubba Boy
05-31-05, 03:03
I also saw the guys you are talking about. One of them is particularly filthy, I had to shove him away, and then had to go straight to the bathroom to wash.......

Only one comment, most drogarias sell 100mg for R145. The one opposite the Roxy Theatre on Rua Bolivar is good for this.

btw, I also agree Shayla is great, even though she is much thinner this year!

Macunaima
05-31-05, 15:06
Rio Bob sez,

"I wonder which nightclubs in Rio they are refering to, they're aren't that many."

Now there's a comment by a man who either knows what he's talking about or hasn't a clue.

In comparison to a place like NYC or London, Rio has few clubs. However, it still has a TON of clubs, the vast majority of which are completely off the average mongers radar screen.

Just fer instance, Rio Bob, do you have any idea how many clubs are now operating in Catete alone? I NEVER see gringos there but it sure looks like a Ciscarelli crowd.

Rio Bob
06-01-05, 00:35
Rio Bob sez,

"I wonder which nightclubs in Rio they are refering to, they're aren't that many."

Now there's a comment by a man who either knows what he's talking about or hasn't a clue.

In comparison to a place like NYC or London, Rio has few clubs. However, it still has a TON of clubs, the vast majority of which are completely off the average mongers radar screen.

Just fer instance, Rio Bob, do you have any idea how many clubs are now operating in Catete alone? I NEVER see gringos there but it sure looks like a Ciscarelli crowd.

Macunamia, I am not familiar with Catete. My knowledge of Rio clubs is restricted to Copacabana, Ipanema, Lagoa, Leblon, Centro and Barra.

Im just a clueless tourist and I do live in New York. When I read a newspaper and they talk about Rio then in my mind I picture the areas mentioned above but since you live there would you be kind enough to enlighten us clueless WSG posters so that we can expand our horizons. I have to be honest with you that I don't mind too much being cluless in Rio.

For a married guy such as yourself you seem to be very knowledgable about where the clubs are and who frequents them and how the gringos conduct themselves in Copacabana. Is your wife clueless to your methods of how you gain this knowledge?

Thanks,
Rio Bob.

Macunaima
06-01-05, 02:17
Well, Espaço Maru in Catete is hopping, though it's a bit of a young crowd. Not much reason for a monger to go there, however, unless he speaks very good Portuguese and doesn't mind looking like a Tio Sukita. But Saturdays they now have '80s night with free Atari games and a sushi bar on the roof. It's a fun place. And I am not a fan of clubs.

There are also plenty of clubs and bars in Botafogo and Lapa these days. Far too many to name. Again, it's not really a monger scene but it's a lot of fun.

Hojo
06-01-05, 15:38
There is a very good girl to guy ratio at Monte Carlo these days. They have a hand full of 9s or 10s. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder YMMV. I´ve been there a few days in a row and usually there are less than 10 guys in the club before 6:00 PM and about 30 or 40 girls.

Also the scenery at Help has improved a little since my last post. It took out a beautiful girl from Sao Paulo.

pop till you drop,
hojo

Kmarxist
06-02-05, 02:55
You guys need to bring them down, bargain with these chicks if not walk away! A girl i speak to very well told me that when us gringoes turn her down at least twice, she will start to give in. she is a young 21 y o blonde and will do it for 200R for 2 hours. I can not give up the name but she said most of them start to get worried. she usually quotes people 600R then will drop to 400R and will eventually charge 200R if you turn her down enough. She also said the older you are the more she will quote. 40+ , she told me some dumb asses pay her up to 1,200R and they dont last that long since they are old. Please guys dont be so desperate and turn them down. Worst that could happen is you go home with your second choice. REMEMBER they depend on our money, we dont depend on them there is plenty of other spots.

Rio Bob
06-02-05, 13:32
Well, Espaço Maru in Catete is hopping, though it's a bit of a young crowd. Not much reason for a monger to go there, however, unless he speaks very good Portuguese and doesn't mind looking like a Tio Sukita. But Saturdays they now have '80s night with free Atari games and a sushi bar on the roof. It's a fun place. And I am not a fan of clubs.

There are also plenty of clubs and bars in Botafogo and Lapa these days. Far too many to name. Again, it's not really a monger scene but it's a lot of fun.

I don't know how I missed this place in Catete, free Atari games? Gonna have to put this on my to do list when I arrive in Rio next time.

Vampyr
06-02-05, 14:14
Nuth, Bombar, Baronetti, Six, Prelude, Hard Rock Café, Club Six, Melt, pangea and Chaos on the upscale level and about 20 - 30 more on the mid to lower club levels.

Hojo
06-02-05, 19:59
I went to help last night and there were very few Gringos. The disco was about 35% full. The dance floor was almost empty at times.

It was a good time, more girls seem to be providing reasonable deals as compared to this past Memorial Day Weekend.

pop till you drop,
hojo

RxHammer
06-03-05, 08:49
Greetings,

I know this is the wrong thread but the traffic in the Recife thread has been very slow so....

Looking for a girl friendly hotel on or near Boa Viagem beach in Recife. Will be going in July and any help/advice would be a great help.

Thanks. PM or post in Recife thread would be great...

RxHammer

Macunaima
06-03-05, 15:03
Nuth and Bombar are over-rated, over-priced and - unfortunately - over here.

Havahopeful
06-03-05, 16:43
Just got back from 9 days in Rio.

I spent the first 2 in Copacabana and last 7 in Ipanema. I will limit this post to women as I have already posted about the Hotel and crime issues in the other sections.

First day (Saturday) we went to Monte Carlo as soon as it opened. Nice selection, I felt there was a nicer group of girls than when I went there in January. I had a threesome with a shorter girl that was probably 1/2 to 2/3 black and the rest white and another blond. The blond was very hot but not as fun in the sack as the other girl. By the end of the session I pretty much concentrated on the mixed race girl as she was sweeter and more passionate.

One nice thing is that Monte Carlos does not charge you 2 times for the room as I believe most other Termas do when having a threesome.

My friend was a first timer and he was with a beautiful blond he had great things to say about her. (however, she did stick a finger in his ass without asking, which to me is not a surprise I wnat to have)

I apologize for lack of names, but it seems like this was a year ago!

That night we went to Help. The ratio in Help was much much better than it was in January. There were plenty of beautiful girls in there, however, the first quote from all of the top girls was inevitably something outrageous like 600R. After some laughing and negotiations I could quickly get them down to 350 or 300 but after that many wouldn't budge. Obviously this is work to these girls but in my (possibly deluded) mind I would think that the person they are with does make a difference and the fact that I am a younger reasonably attractive guy who can communicate in Portuguese would really work negotiations in my favor.

Often, with the hottest ones I would stay firm at 150R and they would tell me that they would come looking for me later if they didn't get any higher takers. This did happen to me with one of the girls but by that point I was already out the door with another I would say 8 for 150R. She only stayed for 2 hours but I really wanted her to leave so that was no problem.

This was a shorter girl about 5 ft tall who was from Amazonia and had the indigenous look that I prefer. Great little spinner and great session.

Track Star
06-03-05, 17:56
Haveahopeful,

The girl you mention from Amazonia..I think I know her..small..did she have nice firm silicones??

If she did I can swear that you had the same girl I had twice in March..

she is a HELP regular..most often stands in one spot at HELP and shakes her little tight ass. Let me know dude.

Track Star
Brazil-lover and *****monger

Havahopeful
06-03-05, 19:46
She didn't move around too much. The most distinguishing thing about her in Help was that she didn't look like a gdp. She was dressed very nice, sexy but not at all obvious.

When we first started chatting she wasn't very aggressive and didn't mention sex at all, with the exception of the eventual negotiating it was a conversation I could have had with a girl in a club anywhere

Havahopeful
06-03-05, 22:44
Day 2

Went to Luomo during the day. I have to say I was extremely disappointed! This was my absolutely favorite place in January when I visited. I went there 4 nights and I thought it was head and shoulders above Monte Carlos and Solarium.

My friend had a session with a tall girl that is 1/2 Turkish and was born there. She was very sexy and gave him good GFE. After lots of waiting around for something better I finally had a session with a short little spinner who put on an ok performance. All of the girls that I was with in January apparently no longer work there. This included, Pricilla, Karina, and Vanessa. I felt my friend's girl was an 8 and there were a few other 6.5s there and nothing better!

This was on Sunday. Which also started 5 straight days of rain.

On Monday I changed Hotels and went to Ipanema where I ran into my girlfriend as I was getting out of the cab. This was a bit embarrassing as I had told her I was arriving on Tuesday!!!

On Wednesday I got away from my girl for long enough to hit 4 x 4 for my first time. I have mixed feelings about this place. The major boite I felt was very dirty and run down. Generally speaking there were an incredible amount of girls there but I thought the talent level a bit week. The place got incredibly crowded very fast which made it feel like a disco more than a Terma. However, we got lucky and did hook up with 2 girls that were 9.5s in my book. I thought they were head and shoulders the hottest girls there and there were only 2 other girls in the entire place that I saw that I would have sessioned with.

After some small talk we went up to one of the newer lounge areas that was actually really nice. We hung out there for a while joked around and had a lot of fun. These girls weren't as affectionate as normal terma girls in the boite (when your that hot you really don't have to work it) In walking around with the girls I saw a new locker room that was quite nice and a sauna/steam room also very nice that I had missed earlier. The place is so big that you can get confused and easily miss out on the nicer parts of it. The rooms all have showers which is nice, that way you know the girl has really cleaned herself off between sessions. Session itself was unispired, but still a pleasure because she was so incredibly hot. She gave a covered bj, which actually a few girls tried to do this trip. (another shocker as noone even tried that in January).

The next Saturday we went back to Monte Carlos. We got there around 7 pm and the place was packed with guys. The problem with the smaller Termas is one big group of guys can totally change the environment in the place. I really didn't see anyone I wanted and for the first time in my life left without having anyone. (another explanation for this might be that in addition to the 5 GDPs I was with my girlfriend and I were having sex 2-3 times a day so I was just wiped out).

My friend went to Solarium later in the week and said it was very good. He was there with another friend and they had 2 girls that he said were even hotter than the girls at 4 x4 we had. Interesting that all 4 of them were in the same room not the guy's request.

One final note to anyone who has never been but is thinking of going to Brazil, particularly the poor SOBs like me that live in the cold midwestern part of USA where a 145lb girl thinks she is a supermodel,

Double Think This Trip!!!!

I have been to Rio twice now and had the time of my life both times. I do pretty well by American standards, I hook up very often with mildly attractive girls and have occassionally dated the real beauty. But it just gets harder and harder with every trip you take to come back home and look at these girls much less listen to their bull shit! My friend that I brought with me feels he is ruined for life. You can't miss something you have never seen!!!

Brazilman
06-04-05, 15:10
What's going on with the exchange rate in rio? I saw on a website that its down to about 2.4. Why is it so low? I have never seen it that low. For those that are actually in rio now,what are they giving at the cambio's and help?

Ezinho
06-04-05, 23:41
What's going on with the exchange rate in rio? I saw on a website that its down to about 2.4. Why is it so low? I have never seen it that low. For those that are actually in rio now,what are they giving at the cambio's and help?2.4? Sounds good to me. Hell, I got 2.38 just last week at the ATM, and thats before all the damn fees!

The Real seems to be running stronger against all the major currencies right now, not just the dollar. I think the Euro just dropped below 3, so its not only the dollar. Some good economic new coming out of Brasil with their exports. Also, the central bank here has been getting rid of the dollars that they have, which makes the Real stronger.

Bulldog67
06-05-05, 00:55
I don't know about the cambios or Help, but I got 2.37 at an ATM this afternoon. I live here, and my salary is paid in dollars, so this is killing me!

Swamp Rat

Bubba Boy
06-05-05, 02:44
I got 2.45 from the cambios today. Even the euro is getting hit now, last month it was 3.3, now it is 2.9........Adding to this everything in Rio is getting more expensive, overall with currency movements Rio is 30% more than this time last year.

Brazilman
06-05-05, 03:29
Are you paying less for the girls at Help, now that the exchange rate is so bad? I can't see paying 200R anymore, at those rates. I thought when the ER goes down the prices go down for Americans and when it went up alot, the prices went up.Now you saying the ER is low and inflation is high. THAT BLOWS!

Jayf1970
06-05-05, 16:16
Thanks a lot to all the hobbyists of this board for great reports. Bubba boy, of course, deserves the gold medal!

I agree with some of the earlier posters: these reports should go into a separate "Rio FAQ" thread. Or another idea is to have a separate thread for longer reports like the old WSG used to have.

In any case, I have a few specific questions that I have not seen being addressed:

1. What is the best place to have a threesome? Termas? escorts? Help? Other boites? I would appreciate any pointers specific to choosing girls in pairs.

2. Is it possible to specify your fetish at a Terma? For those who have been to Bangkok, I 'm thinking of the massage places where you can specifically ask for girl(s) specializing in three-way with lesbians (atleast they act like lesbians. An absolute must if you go to BKK), BJ's, anal, etc.; and man, these girls are experts at what they do!

3. Is toy play common and/or possible with girls in Rio? Where would be the best place to engage in it? I am talking dildos and butt-plugs. Also, is it possible to buy the toys in Rio?

4. Does one need to bring their own lube at the Terma? Incidently, I'm assuming that KY Jelly is freely available in Rio. Is this true? How about condoms?

Once again, thanks a lot guys; and sorry if some of these have already been answered. I have spent quite a bit of time reading the posts but haven't seen these addressed.

I promise to post any unique findings!

Hojo
06-05-05, 17:43
I've been changing my dollars at "Ben & Bros" Jewelers with Edoardo.
He'll try to sell you jewelry of course.

"Ben & Bros" Jewelers
Rua Xavier Da Silveira, 22
Tel 2522-0246

Its between Avenida NS Copacabana and Avenida Atlantica.
This place is within 2 blocks of Meia Pataca Cafe.

Edoardo consistently gave me 2.5R/$ all last week.

You can thank Bobby of Blame it on Rio Travel Agency for this tip. I'm just spreading the news, I'm not affiliated with this guy.

pop till you drop,
hojo

Java Man
06-05-05, 19:30
swamp rat:
you live there?! are paid in dollars?! what do you do and are they hiring? :D

Rovnak
06-05-05, 21:28
I agree with Cingon, what the hell is SwampRat complaining about? You live in Brasil and get paid in dollars? Man, you have it made unless you are getting less than 1/3 salary you would get in US.

Lets see, with the decline in Reals your situation has gone from outrageously, stupendous to simply outrageously fantastic?

Rio Bob
06-05-05, 21:56
Are you paying less for the girls at Help, now that the exchange rate is so bad? I can't see paying 200R anymore, at those rates. I thought when the ER goes down the prices go down for Americans and when it went up alot, the prices went up.Now you saying the ER is low and inflation is high. THAT BLOWS!

People who are selling their goods to Americans in Rio do not take less money just because we are getting less reais to the dollar, that's our problem not theirs. Does their rent go down or their food bill go down just because our dollar is weak, no way. This would include hotels, restaurants, stores and garotas de programmas.

Rio Bob
06-05-05, 22:05
One final note to anyone who has never been but is thinking of going to Brazil, particularly the poor SOBs like me that live in the cold midwestern part of USA where a 145lb girl thinks she is a supermodel,

Double Think This Trip!!!!

I have been to Rio twice now and had the time of my life both times. I do pretty well by American standards, I hook up very often with mildly attractive girls and have occassionally dated the real beauty. But it just gets harder and harder with every trip you take to come back home and look at these girls much less listen to their bull shit! My friend that I brought with me feels he is ruined for life. You can't miss something you have never seen!!!

What he said here is so true and only after just 2 visits he feels this way.

I speak to guys who know Brazil too and feel the same way. Just the other night a guy said to me in a bar here in NY, look at these women in here they are so full of bull s--t who wants to listen to them they all have attitudes. But knowing that you know about a place like Rio you don't have to play their game anymore, you can have a nice calm feeling knowing that soon you'll be in Rio.

Havahopeful nicely said.

Track Star
06-05-05, 23:36
Hello Mongers,

I can only say "Amen" to what Rio Bob and Haveahopeful are saying with regard to the beauty of Rio.

I have only been to Rio twice (last fall and this spring) and are already set on returning in October.

Seattle where I live is one of the worst dating cities in the entire USA. This is a place with people so into themselves that nobody commincates with anybody except their darn computer.

At the youthful age of 46 I have a big problem. I am a very athletic guy that have a face that looks 46 but a body that looks more like 25 + that I don't feel my age 46 but more like 25 + that I am only attracted to women typically 15-20 years younger than me.

If all the stuck up bitches in Seattle that fit my age requirement knew that I was interested in them they would say "stalker, stalker." So as you guys can see I have a delicate problem.

Another problem I have is that I am kind of a loner that do not really date so it is extrememly convenient for me to go to Rio to get what I need without having to put up with all the drama and major bullshit from American bitches.

I don't use any drugs except alcohol during social events. When it comes to Rio I am hooked on that place like it is a major drug. Rio is the best drug because it releases tension, creates intense sexual satifaction and offers fantastic sensual and visual satisfaction.

The worst part is the waiting time home in the US between each trip. Anybody recognize themselves here??

Track Star

RonnyRon
06-06-05, 00:51
Amen is right! Since, I began going down to Rio, American women can date themselves. I have no desire to spend my money or time with them. I took a friend down who thought he was living the life. That was 2 years ago and he has been back 6 times. Now he calls me the Truth!

On another note, it is a little distressing to see the way some of the new guys going down for the first time are acting. Now don't get me wrong I like to wear my diamond rings and bracelet (bling, bling) now and then, but Rio is not the place for that. Talking, no let's make that yelling at the top of your voice, just to be the center of attention is not necessary. A friend and I were sitting at Meia Pataca, which is something I usually don't do. We were having a drink with a couple of ladies. There were about 10 guys at a table in the center of the open air area. One guy yelling so loud, one of the girls with us asked " Why is he talking , so loud?" I said "that's a good question."

Another thing. If you are an American and don't speak Portuguese, I don't care what 50 cents says on the radio, you will not be able to pimp women in Rio. I mean, think about it. Here you are in a country for a week tops where the sale of sex is legal and the women freely do so. In fact by doing so, they are the primary source of income for their families. How can you possibly be a pimp?

If you haven't been going to Rio that long, then you won't remember when the real and the dollar were nearly 1 to 1. I can't say I'm sorry to see the exchange rate coming down. It will probably eliminate some of the nonsense I witnessed this trip.

RonnyRon

Rio Bob
06-06-05, 02:02
For those of you who haven't yet seen this years new Help pictures they have recently been posted to the Help site. They are usually posted right after the new year but this year they were late and it seems that DJ Michael has been maintaining this site but now he is not working at Help anymore.

http://80.78.233.178/index.htm

Bubba Boy
06-06-05, 02:28
Thanks for your comments, and my opinion on your questions are as follows..............


1. What is the best place to have a threesome? Termas? escorts? Help? Other boites? I would appreciate any pointers specific to choosing girls in pairs.

All of the above, kinky is not a word that GDP's are afraid of. I would personally go 1) Terma 2) escorts. Just tell the girls exactly what you want and make sure they will do each other. A good tactic is choose one girl you are into and ask if she is into girls, if she is get her to pick one. Is she isn't grab another girl.

2. Is it possible to specify your fetish at a Terma? For those who have been to Bangkok, I 'm thinking of the massage places where you can specifically ask for girl(s) specializing in three-way with lesbians (atleast they act like lesbians. An absolute must if you go to BKK), BJ's, anal, etc.; and man, these girls are experts at what they do!

This is not a problem, just grab a girl you like and ask questions. Most girls give great BBBJ's, most do anal, some to CIM. I have personally found if I have a good session with a girl and she likes me, the next session I can pretty much do whatever I want to her, and I do mean whatever.

3. Is toy play common and/or possible with girls in Rio? Where would be the best place to engage in it? I am talking dildos and butt-plugs. Also, is it possible to buy the toys in Rio?

The girls love them in the termas, you will not scare a terma girl, more likely she will start suggesting kinky shit that may make you blush (or maybe not!). Just bring your own dildo and go for it, the girls are not shy at all.

It is possible to buy dildos in Rio. There are a few sex shops in Copa and Ipanema. Best bet is to bring your own because it can take up time while searching for something you really want. It is no problem taking them into the country.

4. Does one need to bring their own lube at the Terma? Incidently, I'm assuming that KY Jelly is freely available in Rio. Is this true? How about condoms?

No need to bring your own. The major terms have all the gel and good quality condoms you could ask for. The cheaper termas it is better to bring your own. No problem buying condoms and lube from any of the many of farmacias in Copa or Ipanema.

In general girls in Rio are not at all like the western girls back home (I am assuming your are from the west). They are genuinely passionate and love sex. To explain this further, if you suggested to a western girl (not all but most) to do the things above you might get called a" pervert" and "deviate"..........in Rio a girl will go "thats great, do you also want to try this." They are true deviates and love to fuck hard and kinky.





On another topic, you guys that are complaining about western women, to which I agree, should try continental Euro girls, they are great and have half the attitude of UK,US, AUS etc girls.

Brazilman
06-06-05, 03:59
Question to the guys that said they remember when the exchange rate was 1 to 1. I find it hard to believe that, back then, gringos were paying 150 to 200 dollars for a girl at help or the termas. Someone said they dont lower prices because the dollar is low, but they would have to at that point. Who is going to pay 90 dollars just to enter centaurus. If you bang a girl, thats about 350 dollars for the night. I don't buy it.

Java Man
06-06-05, 05:17
regarding toys: they're more expensive in rio. for example my GF wanted a particular toy she saw at a shop in Rio. it cost R400! at currect exchange rates thats $164.95! i found the same toy here in the US from $36 to $49USD

RonnyRon
06-06-05, 10:25
Hey Brazilman,

I believe it was in 1997 and the rate was R115 for every dollar. I didn't know about the termas then, so I could not tell you the rate. I discovered termas in late 1999 the rate was about the same as when I was there in April. About $US100.00 for everything. Going rate for a girls on the beach, Help, Meia Pataca or at Mab's was $35-40 reals. In 1997 the reals was the new Brazilian currency and had only been in circulation for a couple of years. At the time the Brazilian government was artificially propping up the real. The interest on their loans from the World Bank was killing them and they were on the verge of bankrupty. Shortly after that I believe in late 1998 they had no choice, but to allow their currency to float against the world markets. Their situation then was similar to what happen to Argentina not so long ago.

IMHO prices will come down. This trip the most I paid was $R150.00 and that was one time. Keep in mind, we are the ones who dictate the price. If you simply say NO, they will come down. On the other hand, if you go down there acting like a baller, paying $R200-300 the girls will gladly take your money and laugh at your gringo ass all the way to the bank.

Also it is worth noting that Brazil like the Dominican Republic and many other places is a third world developing country. Up until now they have not had the need to adjust their prices downward to accomodate us. I bet if no one went to Monte Carlos for one week, their price would drop like a ton of bricks.

I've seen many beautiful young women come and go in Rio. Hell, there's a new batch every time I go. Most stay only 3-6 months to a year. Those are the ones I love to meet. Others will never leave. Those are the ones who will tell you they're waiting for their immigration papers to be finalized, so they can move to the states and get married, but you see them in Help every night. Go back 3 years later and sure enough, still in Help. They're like stripper here in the US. They're all just stripping to get through school. After 9/11 their chances of securing a visa are slim and none and slim just left the building.

RonnyRon

Hojo
06-06-05, 12:11
This guy named MooMoo came to me while I was eating at Meia Pataca. He said he was king of the beach.

He rents the chairs, umbrellas and such on the beach in front of the Othon Palace. He said he could get me Barbarella and Help girls during the day.

Have any of you dealt with him?

pop till you drop,
hojo

Brazilman
06-06-05, 12:42
The most I've paid for a girl in rio(help,beach) is 200R. 90% of the time I paid 150R.If i'm getting 2.4 the next time I go,I will be negotiating in dollars.50 dollars to be exact.

Pluto2
06-06-05, 15:21
please blow this guy off, don't encourage pimps or panders.

score the girl you want at help or one of the other clubs and if there is a connection there at some level, ask her out during the day time. bring a pen and paper to the clubs.

if you want to shop on the beach in copa, go walk around and look. make eye contact and if you get the high sign from one of the girls, go put your new portugese skills to work.

worst case, you get set up for **** girls or drugs from one of these husslers, another possibility is robbed. let him rent unbrellas.

pluto2

Macunaima
06-06-05, 19:01
I agree with Pluto. Pimping and pandering is highly illegal in Brazil. Contracting the services of a prostitute isn't. Why take the risk when you don't need to?

Hojo
06-06-05, 23:56
Good points from both of you.

I agree, Why take a chance.

Thermas, Help, Escorts, and Friends of Friends are plenty enough for me.
And my portuguese is getting better on every trip.

pop till you drop,
hojo

Jose Sanchez
06-07-05, 03:45
Could someone please send me a link to the comprehesive guide to rio that I think Barnes had put together a few years ago. It lists the termas, address and hours of operations as well as addresses of other places to pick up chicks.

Thanks

Jayf1970
06-07-05, 14:01
I am considering between Rio Roiss and Princess Copacabana. Looks like the guest policy is a toss up; both appear equally friendly or unfriendly depending on the phase of the moon.

My question is this: do either of them have mirrors in the room?

Jayf1970
06-07-05, 14:44
I am sure they both have mirrors in the room!

When I asked if either of them have mirrors in the room, I meant do they have full length mirrors around the bed.

Thanks a lot!

Jay

Carrib
06-08-05, 01:11
I am considering between Rio Roiss and Princess Copacabana. Looks like the guest policy is a toss up; both appear equally friendly or unfriendly depending on the phase of the moon.

My question is this: do either of them have mirrors in the room?Unless something changed in the last month--I stayed at the Princess Copacabana this past April and had no problems with guests. I think u just book a double room and you can bring as many garotas as u want--one at a time with NO FEE.

Guys another suggestion-make it a point to tell these Hotels that you are in fact staying there because they are guest friendly with NO FEE. Or pass by one of these fee charging hotels and let the manager know why u will never stay there. ....just dont try it with the Copa Cabana palace..LOL!!

Riohemp
06-08-05, 12:35
I am sure they both have mirrors in the room!

When I asked if either of them have mirrors in the room, I meant do they have full length mirrors around the bed.

Thanks a lot!

JayI have stayed at the Princess and can't remember about the mirrors? From what I understand the Princess is superior to the Rio Ross.

Hemp

Jayf1970
06-08-05, 20:20
Gentlemen,

Things seem to have finally fallen into place and I'm scheduled to fly out tonight reaching Rio tomorrow around noon. Will be there for 1 week. Staying at Rio Rioss.

Would love to hang out with any hobbyists in town! PM me!

Jay

Brazilman
06-09-05, 00:16
I think I read on here that princess raised thier prices. It looks like it might be time to start looking for apartments. With the exchange rate in the toilet, combined with the higher prices for rooms, I dont think the princess has much value anymore.Can someone, that knows the new rates, do the math on a hypothetical 10 night stay:thursday to sunday.Lets use 2.45 as the coversion rate.

Bubba Boy
06-09-05, 12:27
Currnetly Princess Copa is R190 Fri-Sat-Sun & R248 Mon-Thur. Current money changers are at R2.50......with the dollar in the tank this is 30% more expensive than last year.

Brazilman
06-09-05, 13:32
Well,I did the math on the hotel. BEFORE taxes, check in thursday and checkout on sunday.10 day trip.It's 88.00 a day.I dont remember the tax rate but go ahead and add another 7 to 15 dollars a day and it's no longer a good deal. we need to find another hotel thats cheaper, or i'm going to start looking for a hotel.

Anyone ,besides the same shills for bobby and ken,tell me what i can expect to pay for a good apt, with hot water,and about 400sft.

Kenn
06-09-05, 14:04
I guess it's like this

10 days / 9 nights at the Hotel about 2058.reais....

10 days / 9 nights in a 1 bedroom apartment 1080.reais......

Brazil Lover
06-10-05, 00:49
I guess it's like this

10 days / 9 nights at the Hotel about 2058.reais....

10 days / 9 nights in a 1 bedroom apartment 1080.reais......But, what are the quality of the apartments? I asked this in the hotel thread, but Kenn, are your apartments better than most? Because the ones I've stayed at were not very nice, and even the Arpoador Inn was a luxury hotel compared to them.

Jayf1970
06-10-05, 16:47
Landed in Rio yesterday. Had my first Terma visit .

Brazil is AWESOME!

I have one request: can someone post basic vocabulary for negotiating sex at Termas or Boites? I don't think I have seen it on the forum.

I had a mindblowing session with a 9 hottie that left only one thing to be desired - she wouldn't do bbbj because I was not able to negotiate with her.

I will post my findings after the trip - too busy right now:) Heading to the beach for some butt-watching.

Thanks a million guys, and let me know if anyone is in the area and would like to hang out.

Jayf1970
06-10-05, 16:52
Thursday June 9:
Luomo: 2.60
Cambio: 2.55
Help: 2.50

Friday June 10:
Cambios: 2.49 - 2.52
Citi Blockbuster ATM: 2.49 (plus R$6 transaction fee)

I thought Travelers Checks might be a good option - virtually risk-free. But the Cambios will give significantly lower rates for them - I was quoted 0.1 to 0.3 below the cash exchange rates; i.e. quite a bit lower.

Jayf1970
06-10-05, 16:57
Princess is R$190 on the weekend and 246 on weekdays.

Rio Roiss is R$186 on all days. Its not as nice as PRincess but pretty decent. Thats US$77 a day and includes a decent breakfast. I heard apartments in the area are US$55-60 a day.

Rio Bob
06-11-05, 13:12
Thursday June 9:
Luomo: 2.60
Cambio: 2.55
Help: 2.50

Friday June 10:
Cambios: 2.49 - 2.52
Citi Blockbuster ATM: 2.49 (plus R$6 transaction fee)

I thought Travelers Checks might be a good option - virtually risk-free. But the Cambios will give significantly lower rates for them - I was quoted 0.1 to 0.3 below the cash exchange rates; i.e. quite a bit lower.

Jay, if you have American Express travellers checks then I do believe that the American Express office in the Copacabana Palace hotel does give the official cash rate for them as opposed to any run of the mill cambio.

Sal Dali
06-11-05, 14:11
landed in rio yesterday. had my first terma visit .

brazil is awesome!

i have one request: can someone post basic vocabulary for negotiating sex at termas or boites? i don't think i have seen it on the forum.

jay,

this is pulled from another board. hope it helps:

acompanhante: escort
alt.: high
altura: height
amiga: friend
anos: years
aparencia: appearance
apartamento privado: private apartment
apenas: barely
ativa: active
azul: blue
balas: beautiful
beijar: kiss, kissing
bonequinha: beautiful doll = petite
bonito: beautiful
boazona: hot babe
boca: mouth
branca: white
bronzeada: brown-skinned person
bum...: ?
busto: bust
carinhosa: affectionate
casais: couples
castanha: brown
charmosa: tender, sweet
cheirosa: sweet-smelling
clara: light
completa: complete (includes anal)
convivio: sexual relationship
corpinho: little body
corpo: body
corpo escultural: great body
de tirar o folego: shaven?
delgado: slim
deliciosa: delightful
desinibida: open minded
dezoito: eighteen
dezenove: nineteen
distinto: outstanding
dupla: couple
empinado: outstanding
envolvente: compelling
encantadora: charming
escultural: classic
estetica: ?
estilo: stylish
fino: slim
frescuras: freshness
garota: good looking woman
garoto de programa: prostitute
gatas: good looking women
gatinhas: good looking
gaucha, gaocho: argentinian
gostoso: tasty
graciete: graciousness
holandesa: dutch
iniciante: innocent
italianinha: young italian girl
jambo: ?
jovem: young lady
liberal: liberal
linda: pretty
loira: blonde
loirinha: blonde
magrinha: slim, thin, very thin
maiores: girls of the majority, not ****
mamilo: nipple
manequim: manequin
massagem: massage
massagista: person who performs massage
medidas: measurements
meiga: sweetheart
menina: young lady, girl
menininha: little girl
mestica: half-caste
modelo: model
morena: brunette
moca: miss
mulata: dark skinned
mulher: woman
mulherao: ?
olhos: eyes
ousadas: darling
passiva: passive
peito grande: big boobs
pele: skin
perfeito: perfect
pernas: leggy
peso: weight
prazer: please, pleasure
princesa: princess
programa: full service sex
quadril: hip
quarentona: 40s
quentes: hot
rainha: queen
rapaze: male prostitute
rosto: face
ruiva: red
ruivinha: red head
s/: without
sabado: saturday
safada: rougish
sapeca: spanking
sem: without
sem pressa: unhurried
senhora: middle age lady
sensual: sensual
segunda: monday
sexo: sex
simpatica: attractive
só: alone
todas: all
torneadas: shapely
transex: bisexual?
travesti: travestite
trintona: 30s
venha: come
venham: come
verdes: green
vinte: twenty
vinte e um: twenty-one

related:

a partit das ...: opens at ...
boate: nightclub, usually sex nightclub
camas: bed
camisinha: condom
casado: married
casa: house
casa noturna: house of the night
duas camas: twin bed

some useful phrases:

are you open today: estao voce aberto hoje? (ozehr)
i would like xxxx at my hotel: eu gosteria xxxx em meu hotel.
what is the address: que e o endereco?
what is the price? que e o preco?
what time do you close: que hora voce fecha?
como voce se chama: what is your name?

s

Kenn
06-11-05, 14:34
I think they do give the official rate also. The problem is, that they are the only place in Rio that you can cash them in for that rate and if you don't mind waiting on line for a hour or more it is a good option. I would NEVER do it myself......

Young & Restless
06-11-05, 15:03
Jay,

Bob is correct about the amex office next to the Copacabana Palace offering the official cash rate if you have amex traveler's checks. I had several locals give me names and business cards of a few cambios that would have a better exchange rate than the amex office, but none of them did.

One thing to watch out for is the long waiting lines at the amex office. On more than one occasion I had to wait 3+ hours to cash my checks. One time I went to their office and got my number, went to the outside bar next-door and drank a few beers, WALKED back to my hotel took a nap and a shower, WALKED back to the amex office and they still had not called my number. I shit you not! But other times I was in and out in 20 - 30 minutes. Depende...

P.S. I’ve used the ATM inside Blockbuster on many occasions, but every time I exit the store without a movie in hand, I feel like I have this radiant glow to me that only thieves and pickpockets can see. I've read about the cambio at Help, but I never gave too much thought to it. It did not sound safe to me. Where at in Help exactly do you make your transaction? Is it done out of sight from people walking in front of Help or setting at the café? Also, I did not know that L'uomo had one. That one sounds way safer than Help. How does the one at L'uomo work and has anyone ever had any fraudulent activity on their card after getting money there?

Thanks,

Y & R

Big Bricks
06-11-05, 17:00
Hey Y&R,

Changing money at Help its very safe. They change it right at the door by the closet when you walk inside. The rate is a bit better than outside but I believe that they would only change up to 100 USd per night.

I hope that helps you.


Jay,

Bob is correct about the amex office next to the Copacabana Palace offering the official cash rate if you have amex traveler's checks. I had several locals give me names and business cards of a few cambios that would have a better exchange rate than the amex office, but none of them did.

One thing to watch out for is the long waiting lines at the amex office. On more than one occasion I had to wait 3+ hours to cash my checks. One time I went to their office and got my number, went to the outside bar next-door and drank a few beers, WALKED back to my hotel took a nap and a shower, WALKED back to the amex office and they still had not called my number. I shit you not! But other times I was in and out in 20 - 30 minutes. Depende...

P.S. I’ve used the ATM inside Blockbuster on many occasions, but every time I exit the store without a movie in hand, I feel like I have this radiant glow to me that only thieves and pickpockets can see. I've read about the cambio at Help, but I never gave too much thought to it. It did not sound safe to me. Where at in Help exactly do you make your transaction? Is it done out of sight from people walking in front of Help or setting at the café? Also, I did not know that L'uomo had one. That one sounds way safer than Help. How does the one at L'uomo work and has anyone ever had any fraudulent activity on their card after getting money there?

Thanks,

Y & R

Rio Bob
06-11-05, 18:41
I've read about the cambio at Help, but I never gave too much thought to it. It did not sound safe to me. Where at in Help exactly do you make your transaction? Is it done out of sight from people walking in front of Help or setting at the café?

When i am in Rio I change most of my money at Help as they usually give a better rate than local cambios or ATM's. The way to do it is not to wait on line outside with everybody else and pay at the outside cashier window. Just walk in the front door and walk over to the desk where the girls deposit their pocketbooks and say to the manager Cambio e entrada. Tell him how much you want to change, I usually do either 100 or 200 dollars but early in the evening they may not have the change yet so you may need to come back in an hour or so. It's very safe as it is done inside and out of sight from the street. He will also deduct the entrance fee(entrada) so you do everything in one shot.

Young & Restless
06-12-05, 22:08
Thanks Rio Bob. That doesn't sound bad at all. I guess I was thinking they would to the transaction at the first window where you buy your ticket. If that was the case, I think I would just stick to the ATM at Blockbuster. Thanks again for the info.

Snowman66
06-12-05, 23:39
I went to Brazil last July for the first time ever. Had the best week in my entire life. I am thinking of going back, but I've got this one very weird question that no one has ever discussed on the board.

Since many if not all of us french kiss the girls like it's going out of style, and since many of us also get bbbj from them and many of these girls also give bbbjcim, and since many of these girls don't brush their teeth in between customers, do I even have to ask the next question?

So if we are in a terma, and we are the fifth customer of the night, could that mean this brazilian hottie might already have a couple different ice cream flavors in her mouth while we are making out with her?

Is that gross as hell or is it just me?

Also, if we are eating them out, and some dude was banging the crap out of her just minutes or hours before, could she have some residual on her legs, crotch, pussy etc, from the customer beforehand?

Sorry to disgust everyone, but maybe someone has some good answers out there that might alleviate some of these concerns.

Thanks to all of you!

JoshJosh69
06-13-05, 17:58
It´s like the game of 6 degrees of separation. I try to be the first customer in the termas and I never fuck my friends girls. But indirectly we have all probably had some contact with each other. So make sure you keep yourself clean and I will do the best I can too. Try not to think to much about it because what you say is true.

MrK
06-13-05, 22:12
Hey Snowman,

The same thought has gone through my mind. Anyone who has been to a terma has seem these guys making out with the lovely ladies. During a strip show at Luomo's the girl jumped on my lap and frenched me.

I try not to partake in DFK and dining at the Y. It's probably stupid since with all the kissing and licking being done, how can you not be exposed to her other customers?

Oh well, I just try my best to wear the raincoat when I go out in the rain.

Young & Restless
06-14-05, 00:56
Hey Y&R,

Changing money at Help its very safe. They change it right at the door by the closet when you walk inside. The rate is a bit better than outside but I believe that they would only change up to 100 USd per night.

I hope that helps you.

Hi Big Bricks,

Thanks for your feedback on my question too. I think your response was delayed due to the reg. member status. Thanks for your help.


To the guy that was asking about having problems adjusting to Rio's altitude: I haven't had any problems. What do you mean? Like headaches?

Cheers,

Y & R

El Austriaco
06-14-05, 05:14
Funkignitor,

Where in Brazil did you go? Can't have been Rio. The last time I checked, it was at sea level, like Copacabana, Ipanema :)

Al Kikuras
06-14-05, 05:20
Anyone run into Tabitha (From various flicks) in Rio?

She's gotta be working at one of the termas

Pluto2
06-14-05, 05:38
Just a guess, most of the girls rinse and gargle after a load in their mouths in every place in the world that I have been. Sperm breath is hard to miss.

If you are concerned about killing all the germs, buy her a caprehenia (sp) which will kill most germs known to man. Just one though, you don't want her to pass out on on you while you are riding her.

If you are worried about where your mouth has been, drink one after you finish the ride:-)

Beleriand
06-14-05, 21:14
Hello Gents,

I have been in SP many times and I would like to know if there is a safe, secure equivalent to Bahamas or Cafe Gauguin in Rio de Janeiro.

Any other tips are also welcome. I will browse the board but I am a little scared about the security issues.

Thanks!

B.

Gladiator
06-14-05, 21:37
Since many if not all of us french kiss the girls like it's going out of style, and since many of us also get bbbj from them and many of these girls also give bbbjcim, and since many of these girls don't brush their teeth in between customers, do I even have to ask the next question?

So if we are in a terma, and we are the fifth customer of the night, could that mean this brazilian hottie might already have a couple different ice cream flavors in her mouth while we are making out with her?

Yes, you should never French kiss a terma girl unless you don’t mind ending up with some foreign spermatozoa within your mouth.


Also, if we are eating them out, and some dude was banging the crap out of her just minutes or hours before, could she have some residual on her legs, crotch, pussy etc, from the customer beforehand?


Yes, you should never eat out a terma girl either unless you don’t mind ending up with some foreign spermatozoa within your mouth.

Lorenzo
06-15-05, 04:47
Let me ask you guys a question: would you walk around with cum in your mouth? Of course not! So why do you think a termas girl would do it? I have no doubt that those who let you CIM routinely brush their teeth after the act, then rinse with mouthwash. I have seen them do it, and I would imagine that the establishment requires them to do it. After all, they want the customers satisfied and to keep coming back, not to mention not having their establishment cited as a source of STDs. As for cum in the pussy, I don't think this is bloody likely, since condom use is universal, unless a condom breaks, and believe me, if a condom breaks, the girl is going to panic and douche herself right away. It's possible that some jism might get on a girl's leg if a guy pulls out and leaves the rubber inside, but it won't be in her pussy. So I think there's nothing to worry about.

Personally, I have DFKed and DATYed every single termas girl I've ever been with, without a single exception, and although I've long since lost count, I'm sure by now they number in triple digits. I have never encountered any adverse consequence, so STD symptoms, nothing. For the record, I have been informed by very reliable sources (not having had the experience myself) that cum has a very salty taste. Well, I don't recall ever having had a salty taste in my mouth after having done a girl orally. But if any of you ever get a salty taste in your mouth, then you'll know what it is. =-(

The above doesn't apply to streetwalkers, by the way, for obvious reasons. But as for termas girls, I think there's nothing to worry about.

Lorenzo

Sal Dali
06-16-05, 01:22
since condom use is universal,Damn, I wish I thought condom use as as universal as you suggest.

Sal

Gladiator
06-17-05, 00:36
For the record, I have been informed by very reliable sources (not having had the experience myself) that cum has a very salty taste. Well, I don't recall ever having had a salty taste in my mouth after having done a girl orally. But if any of you ever get a salty taste in your mouth, then you'll know what it is. =-(


You don’t need to feel a salty taste, a microscopic amount of other guy’s cum in your mouth is not going to make you feel any salty taste.

It doesn’t matter if the terma girl washed her mouth after the last guy’s CIM: no wash is perfect, you have no guarantee whatsoever that the wash cleared all the cum, and in fact most probably it didn’t.

Let’s not forget either that some of these girls also do anal rimming, so along with residual cum from a variety of guys there may also be other undesirable substances in their mouth, such as rectal bacteria among others.

I find it amazing each time I see a guy DFK a terma girl, obviously they don’t give too much thought to those microscopic samples of cum, rectal bacteria, etc that are mixed with that fresh toothpaste that they are tasting in the girl’s mouth.

Terma girls are high volume hookers who have routinely unprotected oral sex, and as such their mouths should be no-go areas for DFK.

Lorenzo
06-17-05, 05:24
To each his own. I'd rather live dangerously than not live at all. I know that when I eat zabaglione, or bearnaise sauce, or feijoada for that matter, I'm increasing my risk of a heart attack. And guess what...I don't give a shit! I'd rather eat that way and risk dying earlier than I otherwise might than live to 100 by eating tofu and lentils. And the same principle applies to sex.

Damn the cholesterol, feijoada ahead! Damn the microscopic cum particles and fecal bacteria, DFK, DATY, BBBJ ahead!

Lorenzo

Fartknocker
06-17-05, 05:45
When I was Brazil a few months ago I could not adjust to Brazil's altitude in the 8 days I was there. Did anyone else have this problem and what did you do? Does it take a few weeks staying in Brazil to get used to atmosphere?

I can't imagine how you would have a problem with altitude in any of the major cities. Most of the larger cities are right on the coast and are at sea level. The big cities that are off the coast -- Sao Paulo, Bel Horizonte, Goiania, Curitiba, Brasilia, etc -- are all, to my knowlege, less that 3,000 ft above sea level.

I just moved to a town that sits at 2,800 ft above sea level -- about the same as Sao Paulo -- from a city that was just a little above sea level. I only notice the altitude when I exercise. The altitude definitely takes a bite out of my cardiovascular ability when I am running or hiking up a big hill. However, during normal day-to-day activities, and even during moderate exercise, the altitude is unoticable -- at least to me.

When I was last in Brasil, I took a weekend trip to Novo Friburgo with my namorada-of-the-day. Friburgo is up in the mountains in RJ state and sits about 4,200 feet above sea level -- far higher than any major city I can think of. I had zero problems walking around town with a suitcase in tow or shagging that garota senseless.

If a couple thousand feet of altitude wears on you, you either have some sort of respiratory condition, or you are REALLY out of shape.

Liucio
06-18-05, 16:42
Copa has changed. You could not get me to spend that knid of money for those women. They have organized a price inflation for themselves. The value of their currency Reais is up %12 against the dollar and %7 against the Euro and they are charging the highest prices historically. When I am in RIO I avoid HELP and Mia Petaca. Too many small time wanna be big timers. I have discovered 3 spots where their are better looking women, cheaper and Non-Professional. The Italians has to be the smartest travelers. They know the spots. I have recently purchased an apartment in LEME which will be ready for rental in August. I news form my Rio beat reporter but I do not have time
to write.

For an update HELP will be closing in the far future, this has been know for years.
The police are back to shaking down tourist who are flashing cash. Where is your passport.

Liucio
06-18-05, 17:07
The prices the women charged is inflated and once the consumer agrees to these charges they in turn ruin the fun.

These are the smartest poor women in the world. A girl leaves the flavela and moves to Rio and sells the service at the market place for more money than she could make in 3 months. They deserve it.

I spoke with a some Terma girls 3 years ago and they were making an equilvalent of 600 $R /mo. This doubles during DEC, JAN, FEB.

I pray that this market does not get exported outside of RIO. Thats why it would be bad for HELP to close because these guys would start traveling to different small cities, paying triple the prices and ruin south and north Brasil.

There are some police in COPA ripping off tourist for money. Have your documents on hand.

I was in RIO for only 1 night and I seen 2 tourist get robbed and this is during low season. These are not small kids that are robbing but teenage boys with size and experience. Whats 60$R worth to you?

I will post news from last month. I met some girls who just arrived to RIO for work and they agreed to meet me and tell me about what the veteran women has told them about the business, pricing, scamming and Europeans vs. Americanos. and who pays the most.

Liucio
06-18-05, 19:35
These women are willing to except a lot less but they affer being offered more than than going rate. In North Brasil, I will not mention the city because only a few guys go up there, and you never see the cam corders and jersyes and there. But in this Northern city you can get a 9 for $R70 for 3 or 4 hours. Not only that, - she will cook and clean your apartment.

Now it is difficult to get a photo of a girl because someone is taking the girls around the corner to the internet cafe showing them pics of themselves on the internet. Who would do this and why ruin it for everyone else.

A guy from America has married a girl from 4X4. He is a young guy I think 21 or 22 yrs old. This woman has been working at 4X4 and other termas for years. I guess love is love. Maybe she will learn english and get a job when he takes her back to his country.

Some men were arrested for going to a high school looking for girls. I do not now if they were men from HELP or Meia Petaca. They hired a taxi to take them to different schools and they would proposition girls while walking home.

A Brazilian family was robbed outside of Cesar Park hotel at gun point by one man. This almost never happens in Ipanema. A copule of years ago I walked on Ipanema beach at 2am with no problems.

2 men were robbed while they were inside a womens house in the flavela near the airport. They met her on Ave Atlantica on the beach and she invited them back to her house. After she invited to of her friends to come over and after the 5 of them partied and slept. There was a knock at her door and the woman opened the door and men came in and robbed the house taking money only from the foreign men. The women were not harmed or robbed. After the robbery the women still wanted to be paid for their services. The do not think they were set up, but I smell a big fish. How many times do they tell you " stay out of the Favelas".

Liucio
06-18-05, 20:07
HELP DISCO puts a tremendous amount of money into Rio's economy. It also employees many young women with out any skill or education. These women can earn R$200 /day. That's only 3 or 4 men a day. Some of these women take 5 men a day during Carnival. 5 men at $R90 per two hrs. The government needs this service and it is encouraged.

There is a group of Italian that will export top Brasilian women. They will them in advance and they can earn more in Euro's in Europe. And their families will be taken care of financially. They can get to travel anywhere they want on their day off in Europe inside the Euro Zone. This is very attractive for a young women with a child and no employment. The women that go abroad earn far mre than the women at HELP. You will know them when you meet them.

There is men that wait near BOB's to rob couple walking from help. It amazes me when I see tourist walking in a group from help. Give it time they will be robbed. HELP is a neon light on the flavela satellite. If a crime will be committed it will happen there because, the police see that place as a huge problem. No the police is not looking to protect you while you walk from help.

Help management does not care after you pay the entrance fee. You protect yourself.

I went to SOLARIS twice and it was closed. So another terma closed.

Liucio
06-18-05, 21:14
I was speaking with some newly arrived girls form small cities who had just arrived in RIO for work. Yes these girls at HELP and the termas do choose to play without a condom. It is her choice. Most girls I interviewed said thay men are always, I repeat always offering more to go bareback.

There is a nice cafe in Lagoa that I frequent and the girls there have a saying about the HELP girls. They call them HERPE foreheads. If you step out of the world of HELP, you will learn that the place is a blemish on the beach of RIO.

There is very cheap property for sale in RIO. Look inside GLOBO and you can find some affordable property if you are looking for a 2 bedroom apartment to run as a business.

Next year most hotels will be increase their prices and will not charge for women to enter the room. I thnk a place called Debret has been remodel does not charge or will not be charging for women to enter.

There is still an undertone on hostility between the GERMANS and AMERICANS that exist in LIDO. There was a fight last years between some Americas and Germans near Frank's Bar, not inside the bar but on the corner near the bar. On Santa Cara Rua there is a bar owned by Germans and they asked some American guys to leave because they were closing but the Americans did not see other patron leaving and the night was still young. They refused and the German owner decided he would literally eject them form the bar. There were many Americans maybe 6 men and about 5 Germans. Only a shoving match ensured. I have heard this for years about the animosity between the GERMANS and AMERICANS in COPA.

A girl named CLAUDIA is infamous about calling the police about non payment for services. I was told she does this maybe once a week. She invites the man back to her place and in the morning before both leaves after the business transaction takes place she calls the police and claims she has not been paid. The police comes and she says she is owed even more money than agreed upon. So she is paid twice. And she has done this more than a couple of times. If any has her photo please post it.

Liucio
06-18-05, 21:52
Rogue police, please list your experiences with these policemen. Many are the problem themselves. Do not go to Gloria or Centro at night without a Brasilian friend. It can be tough. I learned this myself years earlier.

There is an Italian named Rocco who filmed an X-movie on Copa in May. There are some Americanos that make X-movies in RIO also.

I will bring you more news about HELP closing. This has been on the record for years. A hotel was to be constructed there in 2002 but it never happened. Now it is talked about again by some overseas investors that are dealing with the politicians in Centro. I have read some this is not correct about the closing. People are talking to some small time door managers at HELP and are gettingfed misinformation. The guys in HELP are only managers, they are not involved in the contracts and money movement. Help is sitting on some prime real estate that could fetch top EURO's for the invetsors. Nothing has been finalized. So do not believe anything until you see the construction crane.

Liucio
06-19-05, 00:12
I disagree with the gentlemen who said you the consumer control the price. These women are controlling the prices in COPA. This pricing olny exist on Ave Atlanitca. I read that some guy paid R$200 for one night. This is what I pay for my entire trip. With the EURO down and airfare prices up and next year hotels prices will be up, you are the one getting iy up the rear.

Presently the exchange rate is 1EUR=R$2.98
Presently the exchange rate is 1$US=R$2.41

With the persistent conditions in IRAQ for Americanos and their declining economy and the increase in their interest rates next year you will see a decline in US visitors.

With the EURO taking a dive and no the vote in Europe and with the increasing rise in prices you will see an even worse economy.

I predict next year during Carnival the exchange rates will fetch as follow:

02/01/06:
1EUR=R$2.56
1$US=R$2.11

This is my prediction for next year. Please hold me to it. I can explain later how I arrived at these numbers. But these numbers will for sure cut the supply of visitors. I mean I seen a record number of guys at Meia Petaca. There were not enough tables. So, yes the natural dynamics of the global economy will change that one square block area on Ave Atlantica.

The winners will be the young girls who after you calculate the inflation rate and exchange, they will be earning your equivalent wage per hour.

And yes it is better for her to be paid in Euro vs YEN or US Dollar.

Liucio
06-19-05, 00:36
There was a great party hosted in Barra da Tijuca by an American business man. Many women Non-Pros. There is also some good cafes in the area near the shopping malls. I did see many tourist with their dates.

Lapa had a celebration of youth. Mostly families and younger kids. Mostly single mothers. I scored on this night - NonPro Action. Samatha

There is a guy that runs an umbrella stand on the beach that will get you girls. And yes when he calls them they will come over but do not pay him for this.

To party in Lagoa you need to speak the language. I met a guy that was travelling alone and he knew the language and spoke it well. He even told me about a off the map place in Sao Conrado.

There was a crime committed near Barbarella's. It might have been a robbery
of some men but the brasilian girls purse was not taken. Are these robbers respecting thier own.

Monger 3
06-19-05, 04:23
But unfortunately, too many Americans who think Rio is the land of milk and honey after seeing a few rap videos dont realize that, especially if they cant speak the language (or even broken Spanish) and flash their inflated salaries in a place where people will literally kill you and not think about it over $10.

I spent time in Rio last week and am in other parts of the country now. I found a few bars where Euros were hanging out (I am a black American from NYC), and it was night and day vs. Help and that area. Chicks started at 150R for the night and not 400R. What a joke.

Rio is a blast though. Use the classifieds if you can speak enough portuguese and find a$$ for 30-50R an hour right in Copacabana. I did so 3 times, each with chicks younger that 20 and best situations I have ever had. Cops and thugs are shaking down drunk morons who wont waste 10R on a cab to go 3-5 blocks. They deserve to be robbed!

Help closing wont force stupid travelers to other parts of Rio and Brazil because they are precisely stupid travelers. They will find some other close to home gem like Columbia to ruin before that happens in my view...Help closing might bring back the good old days where some language and culture knowledge led to the best p*ssy being had on Earth!

Brazilman
06-19-05, 08:48
Liucio,

Why is Help closing? I sense that was sarcasm, but you never know with this supposed crack down on prostitution.

Bubba Boy
06-19-05, 14:26
I think it is reality that the price of P4P will rise in Rio. It is just too good to stay the same and the girls do have other options.

I base this on the following. I just spent a few weeks in Spain where I met up with 2 amigas from Rio. Both I have known for just under 2 years and were just starting their careers in Termas.

One amiga, a strong 9 by any measure, just spent 4 days with me in Madrid. It was perfect timing as she was just ending a 3 month working trip there and heading home. She basically said the first time she was in Madrid she worked for Club Lovely (30 minutes costs 70 Euro or USD$90, standard for most highway clubs in Spain) where she earned about 3 times more per day than she did in a Terma in Rio. She then went back and did a 3 month stint at a terma in Rio. Upon returning to Spain she worked at a better, more high end club, and has now has done 3x3 month stints there. She earns about 6 to 9 times more there than she would at a Rio Terma and she sees less guys and only works 4 days per week. Now she does not work when she returns home, not much point when you do the sums and consider she brings about USD$30,000 home each 3 month stint. It now costs 300 euro to fuck her at the club for the hour.

It was actually great fun to hang with her and see how she has progressed over the last 2 years. When I first met her she was smoking hot and a great fuck. The one draw back was she is obviously from a poor background and did not have much of an education. I once showed her a picture of me standing next to the Eiffel tower, she hadn't a clue where the picture was taken. Now she has developed into a more worldly young lady. She speaks Spanish, some English and a little French now and has travlled a bit in Europe. She has just purchased a house in Brasil and has a small investment unit. I believe she intends to take up studying again in the next 6 months. In short she impresses me a lot now.

I mention the above as a point that these girls now have a lot of options now and Rio will not be the same paradise it is now forever. How much did it cost to hang with her 4 for days? All she asked for was a small gift for her and her mother of which she specified, turned out to be about USD$120 in total. Hence, a further point, yes some girls in Rio do try and grab the $ others do actually enjoy the company of some gringos they meet. Of course the next trip I make to Rio she will be there and will be wanting me to be with her and not visit a terma. I think we are going to have to work something out in this regards.

One further point, there are tons of Brasilian girls all over Spain working. The GDP network is very strong. You see them everywhere on the beaches, usually lying on or wearing a brasilian flag. Her phone would ring off the hook. Everywhere I went with mi amiga there was something to do with a group of people, most GDP's or ex GDP's. It was kind of fun going to dinner with another couple one night, the Italian guy (who now lives in Spain) did not know his wife was an ex GDP girl. Hence, I was briefed beforehand not to mention certain things. It was funny as the conversation would be held in 3 different languages, at first when I would speak in English to the guy, his wife would always watch me (she didn't speak English, my spanish pronunciation is not good enough to hold an in depth conversation). I would reassure her in Portuguese what we were talking about. Her husband didn't speak Porto (the girls would always speak in porto together, rapid fire). After a while she relaxed and it was actually a very very funny and excellent night.

If you are intending to grab a bit of Brasilian ass in Spain don't expect it to be as good as you get in Rio - service wise. Everything is more rushed in Spain, less getting to know you time with the girl and more $ orientated. However, compared to most countries still a damn good option.

For new readers to this forum GDP = Garotta De Program (girl of program= sex worker girl)

Young & Restless
06-19-05, 16:14
Hi Bubba Boy,

As much as I hate to say this, I think you are absolutely right when you titled your report “Nothing stays good forever”. Honestly, that thought has been in the back of my head for sometime now, but I have always made myself ignore it.

I know that some of the girls are working seasonal in Europe, but I think the biggest problem is how popular Rio has become here in the most recent years. I know that Rio did not just pop up all of a sudden, but I’d say that its popularity has increased exponentially here in the past few years. Good for Rio, not so good for us.

Maybe I’m just being paranoid, but you see Rio on television now more than ever from everything to Citibank & Valtrex commercials (funny how Valtrex chose Rio as the backdrop for that commercial), predominant Victoria’s Secret models now appearing on the silver screen, MTV videos, etc. I've even heard rumors about Blame it on Rio part II being put into production with Demi Moore playing Michael Caine's old role and Ashton Kutcher playing hers.... j/k. Like I said though, this kind of press is great for Rio, but has the opposite effect for us, IMO.

Rio is hands-down my favorite destination, but in regards to the inevitable, I have already started scouting out other destinations such as a recent trip to Argentina and I’ll be going to Colombia by the end of this year. As you say, nothing stays good forever, so it's time to put on my exploring cap.

I think that Rio will always have beautiful girls available to anyone that goes there, but with more and more gringos going to Rio these days, the prices will continue to climb and the sweet Brazilian girls will be harder to find.

Again, all the above is just my opinion and I would be glad to be wrong in this case.

Macunaima
06-19-05, 16:48
"A girl leaves the flavela and moves to Rio and sells the service at the market place for more money than she could make in 3 months."

Very few of these women live in or have lived in favelas, guys.

"I spoke with a some Terma girls 3 years ago and they were making an equilvalent of 600 $R /mo. This doubles during DEC, JAN, FEB."

Try more like 600 USD. I began my research three years ago and if you like you can check out the prices people were posting back then. Asking price in a termas three years ago - according to the women and many of the self-same mongers who are now on this board - varied from around 100 to 200 reais. More or less about what's being asked now, adjusted for inflation.

What you guys are noticing isn't a market being "ruined": it's the dollar going down and Brazilian inflation going up. Three years ago, I charged 25 reais a lauda for translations - now I charge 40. "Official" inflation over the last three years has clocked in at around 20 percent and "real" inflation has been about twice that. My rent, for eample, has gone from 700 reais to 1000. A bottle of beer from a street vendor which once cost 1.50 now costs 2.50.

In the meantime, the dollar dropped from its post election high of 3.15 reais to 2.50.

All this means that the same program that cost you 30 USD back then now costs you 50. It's not the market going up, folks. If anything, pro prices are not keeping pace with inflation. The women complain all the time that they are getting less money now than ever before because there are more girls working the streets than ever before.

"I pray that this market does not get exported outside of RIO. Thats why it would be bad for HELP to close because these guys would start traveling to different small cities, paying triple the prices and ruin south and north Brasil."

My guess is that if mongers try to take this market in mass to small towns in inner Brazil, we'll be shortly seeing many more busts. Rio, SP, Salvador and Recife are used to you guys' antics. Ocudumundu Mirim, Minas Gerais, isn't.

Dark Knight
06-19-05, 17:50
It absolutely kills me that guys would pay a gdp more than R$200 for TLN.

Liucio, I must respectfully correct you. The consumers DO control the price. This is an immutable law of economics. Supply and demand. Here's a hypothetical:

An attractive garota named Luana works at HELP. She has, over this past season, been getting $R300 to R$400 for her services. She has become accustomed to that.

Over the next week, every time Luana quotes R$300 to a guy, he says it's too much and asks her to move on. This happens to her dozens of times and gets no clients for a week. She comes to HELP (or BarBarela, etc), pays an entry fee, and buys her drinks, but leaves at the end of the night without a client.

Now, what do you think Luana will do? Will she stop being a gdp? Or will Luana reduce her price?

Guys, YOU control the pricing by what you pay. It has always been thus, and will always be. When General Motors isn't selling cars, they offer rebates and incentives - they reduce the price! These girls are selling a price-elastic service. The guys have choices (termas, acompanhantes, etc); exercise those options.

Each of us has to take control and bring the market dynamics back to equilibrium. I have sat next to guys at cafes who tell me that they pay 400 or 500 reais. It sickens me. If you insist on paying $200US to some chick, save yourself the hassle and go to Vegas.

Junior
06-19-05, 18:07
On my most recent trip in marts I spoke at length wth one of the girls from Centaurus regarding the economics of the place.

The girls get 80% of the program price. The remainder covers medicals test etc. The do not get commissions on drinks or rooms. The are always keen to upgrade you to more time to earn more. or to take a second girl. The second girl will usually be a friend who will also earn some money and probably return the favour another time. It is a lot less work for the girls rather than being being alone with the client.

This particular girl averages about R7-8000 a month with some seasonal variation. She is one of the more popular girls at Centaurus - I am guessing she in the top 10 earners.

I am pretty sure the centaurus girls earn the most among the terma girls. The prices are higher, but the girls also do more clients -atleast as far as I can tell from numerous visit to the termas.

No matter what the economics are the termas are still HEAVN ON EARTH.

Heading East
06-19-05, 20:19
I understand that many people are concerned about the prices some people are paying at Help, and based on simple economics some of the prices are crazy! But are they?

I will use my self as an example. I pay help girls $R300 per night. I don’t think that this is a particularly excessive amount. It works out at about US$125. Which for a night’s sex, I think, is a very reasonable price.

I'm sure if I wanted to, I would be able to get the price paid down to as little as $R150 or US$63. But what would be the cost to me?

Firstly I would risk losing the 9 or 10 that I desire. Why would a top bird be interested in taking R$150 from me when she knows that she can get R$300 from someone else?

When I set eyes on a top bird, which is becoming an increasing rarity at Help these days, I want to make sure I secure her. I’m not really interested in picking up an enthusiastic 7; I have these girls in London for free. I come to Rio for the specific reason of having sex with women who are physically perfect!

The other issue to think about is performance. I would argue, from experience, that I get much better performance from a girl who feels that I’m paying her a fair price for her services, than one who feels cheated.

In my younger days, when I was more inclined to price negotiate, I tended to get girls who want to leave at 4am. Instead I now get a girl who wants to stay for breakfast sex, and the afternoon on the beach with me.

Liucio
06-19-05, 20:54
The reason I say that the consumers do not control the prices is because these men are paying prices that Brasilian men do not pay. Ask any taxi driver or waiter. And they will tell you "these men are stupid". I have been told these exact words by 3 taxi and 2 waiters. They all used the words "stupid". So tell me why does the Brasilian man get the same piece of ass that the Italian and American man gets but he pays a fraction of the price. The Brasilian guys pay mo more than $R60-$R70 reias. No more . And they can get the same women. Upon my research I gathered data on some salaires that different occupations earn:

Doctor : $R800/mo

Taxi : $R280- $R350 -DEC, JAN, FEB, MAR double salary

Waiter: $R250-low tips is bread and butter, the waiters in LIDO earn more than the IPANEMA waiters there is a waiter at Meia Petaca that has been working there for 9 years. He has taken pictures with some LA LAKERS and many football players from Spain & GERmany clubs.

BOB's manager: R$250

Police: $R250- $R300 This varies - the police on the beach and walking the street are making entry level - But the DRUG TASK FORCE makes over $r300. Plus of course you can keep some money you find wrapped in plastic or you can keep the shake down money.

Cashiers at Grocery stores : $R250

Hotel manager at DEBRET: $R300

Most of the female occupation is in the service indusrty : CASHIER, SALON, COOK, HOSTESS, TEACHER, WAITRESS. Some get a season increase in pay, only season.

So my point is that you have a girl coming in from a small counrty side town with no intermediate education and no work history, just nice skin, ass ,waist line and breast and for some men long hair. And these women start commanding 2 months salaries for 1 hour.

I have spoken to many older GERMAN & ITALIAN MEN and they do not mind paying the qouted price of $R200 for 2 hrs. They say they enjoy the company.

I have spoken to young AMERICAN MEN and they $R150-$R200.

I have witnessed a Brasilian hire a girl for $R70 , but she was NOT from HELP and she was a 7 or 8.

No, these men at HELP and MEIA PETACA are not turn away the high prices. I truly disagree. I seen two guys follow a girl as she left there area after she said no tho there lower price.

All the girls I interviewed said to me the greatest factor is the time left for work. If it is late and they has no customers they will take $R80-$R90.

Another factor was the the hourly work. Most women I interviewed gave only 60min and she is in the shower. They only work on a per/hr basis.

I have different numbers for te TERMA girls. I will post those later.

All the girls I interviewed said yes they would definitely take less. Some said they would take half. But their negotiations skills are much superior. Believe me I have seen it. They will be turned down for one quote and go to the next table and they offer is accpeted plus they get 2 or 3 drinks on the gentleman.

So I do disagree. If these guys truly controlled the price it would be reflected in the market price. And the market price is from what I had seen $R150-$R200. Some women start at negotiating at $R300. Yes $R300.

I interviewed a vetran that has been working PROGRAMA for six years.
she has two kids and no boyfriend. Her kids are ages 4 & 2 .

I met her to interview her on a Moday morning. I went with her to do laundry and her salon with her. I spend 6 hours talking to her.

Her phone rang close to 20 times. ALL clients. She makes appmnts.
She was making apptmnts on her dayoff.

She had 2 international calls. The guy will be arriving in 8 hrs or 24hrs and he wants to hire her for the night. Now can you believe it. She is getting calls on her day off. She prefers to older men (40's& over). She works out everyday. She has a club membership in IPANEMA. She runs the beach every morning. Every client of hers takes her shopping and to dinner. She has a nanny. And she refuses to leave her kids to work in EUROPE OR SPAIN.

She is now saving her money and considering purchasing a home.

She entered this profession with the idea to do it only for the HIGH SEASON , CARNAVAL. But the high season turned into 6 years. She has not finished school as she promised herself. She has not bought a house as she promised herself. She enrolled for GERMAN and ENGLISH courses but never went more than 3 times.

She says she rarely goes to help or cafes. Her business is 1 client for the entire time he is in RIO. She will get dinners and breakfast. Shopping, taxis, BUZIO, trips to the counrty. Boat trips, concerts, sambas, and shopping.

I spoke with guys at MEI PETACA and none said they would do these things for the women. They said they would never hire 1 woman for 10 days. But I spoke with some older gentlemen who do not frequent MEI PETACA, all EUROPEAN OLDER MEN and they prefer 1 or 2 women for their entire vacation. She actually moves into his hotel room for the 20 or 25 days he is in RIO.

The conclusion is if you refuse som of these girl offer of $R150 for 1 hr. The gentleman at the next table will glady accept her offer and buy her a drink.

Liucio
06-19-05, 21:06
The gentleman that asked why HELP is closing. The reason is because HELP is sitting on prime realestate. PRIME REAL ESTATE. Help generates almost nothing cmpared to what a 5 star hotel could generate. Help generates peanuts. Real Estate is operated differently in Brasil than in Europe. The property is owned by a Brasilian but the investors are foreign. They are only interested in their ROI (RETURN ON INVESTMENT). But this is in the far future. Not this year or maybe not next year. Paperwork in Brasil gets shuffled at a glaciers pace. There is so much beauracracy there. You pay everyone. I mean everyone is in your pockets on a business transaction.

Liucio
06-19-05, 21:12
If anyone has negotaited for less than R$150 for the veterans. Please let me post what you have paid if you don't mind. Because all the girls I interviewed will not take less than $R150 (VETERANS). I have seen 1 gentleman negoitiate for 20 minutes and 5 drinks he settled for her price of $R150.

Liucio
06-19-05, 21:35
Yes, I agree the Centaurus girls are making more money. These are what these call in America the "FRANCISE PLAYER". They bring the money in and they also make more money than the other termas. Plus the establishment is much nicer and pleasant. The woman are of higher quality. They also moonlight meaning they have clients when they are not working. Many of the men that go to Centaurus go there for 1 particular girl that that enjoyed before. They do not go there to choose, they go there for that 1 woman they had last week or last month. They is mainly true of the Brasilian and EUROPEANS men.

The gentleman who said some Progama girls earns $R6000/mo. Are you sure this figure is correct. Maybe during CARNAVAL but not year round. Please explain.

There is a girl that works at BARBARELLA'S that will not except less than $R200. I wonder if this is the same woman we both are talking about. But the nights I was there she was doing very good see was sitting with many men negoiating.

I have to ask the gentleman to stop paying in your currency. Please do not pay in EUROS. Please do not pay in DOLLARS. The veterans are now asking to be paid in the customer currency.

For the gentleman that is taking the girls to the INTERNET CAFE to show them the PICS. Please post why you are doing this. This makes the girls refuse a photo. I am not accusing you of anything worng I just want to know the purpose. Not everyone post the girls photo on the internet. This only makes the girl paranoid of the camera.

Liucio
06-19-05, 22:01
My response to DARK KNIGHT

Yes, I thing Launa continues to get that price. During Carnaval, I seen her leave with a client every 2 hours. As soon as she got out the shower she was back on Ave Atlantica. I do not think guys are refusing her. Maybe you have seen her sit alone but I never have. I have always seen her leave with someone. I am sure she averages 4 clients per day at $R300 each. Are guy turning her away now? I have seen her leave MEA PETACA with a client then later that night I would see her in BARBARELLA. I would like to know on average what the men are paying. Some men I spoke to will not except the 60 minute girls. They will pass on $R150/60 minutes. But a couple of gentlemen are complaining about the 60minutes after negotiating for 60 mins.

I would like to find out from the men are their prefering 60 mins or the entire night.
At one time the girl would spent at least 2 hrs at least 2 hrs but now they ae demanding 1 hr only. This is new but of course they will make more with 1 hr. And back at the cafe in 60 mins.

As far as the women agreeing together as the OIL CARTEL. It is true I have heard it from new comers they have been told to start negotiating at $R150.
I have been told this by most girls, but of course many will take what they can get.

I have met some men that will not pay over $R90 for any Programa, no matter what season. But of course he speaks perfect Portuguese and he befreind them all. He has even said that he has receive a nice hair cut and had his laundry and clean by a Programa all for $R90.

Rio Bob
06-19-05, 22:17
b) He's black, as are many if not most of his clients. Black sex tourism in Rio is on the upswing and the local white burghers are appalled. A black American man, dressed straight out of an MTV Raps video, is the current paranoid fantasy of those Brazilians who fear that Gringos Want Our Women.


Yes Copa has changed, like I said before I have been going to Rio now for 25 years and I have seen the most change in the past 3 years. As little as 4 years ago in 2001 I would stop at any one of the termas in Rio and for the most part be the only gringo in there. Most of the other men were Brasilian and seemed to be having a nice calm relaxing enjoyable afternoon in their Rio mens clubs. The last time I stopped in Monte Carlo last year the place was packed withh 100 % Americans who completely have taken over the place, you could barely find a free girl, the commotion was like a college frat party, I saw no Brasilian men.

This boat bust last week I read on another travel board was a group of about 30 from Houston, can you imagine this group entering 4x4 on a Friday evening when Brasilian business men are there to unwind in their own institutions and these guys are drunk, loud and taking over the place and the business men can't find an available girl to be with or have to wait to get sloppy seconds or thirds, do you think this is not going to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) anybody off? Maybe these business men have friends in the police dept and the police are going to target and harass to limit the numbers of these groups from coming in as these business men have had enough and want their peace and tranquility back.

Monger 3
06-19-05, 22:23
Dark Knight,

You are right. I even had a hooker in Mandalay Bay quote me 700 for a session and then respond to my my 150 counter-offer, with *lets go*. We are the price setters f*ck all the talk about inflation and dollar devaluation. When faced with it, most girls we end up talking to face the alternative of going home empty handed vs. going home with a cliente...except for maybe the busy seasons.

Add in their embedded cost of being a GDP, like the exit fee at Casquina in Bahia or the entrance fee at Help, and most hoes would be stupid to not accept a severely reduced price from what they offer.

I met a girl at Casquina last week who was working for a week without meeting anyone, and 6 days leaving there empty handed costs 50-100R for the chica. She could either stay broke (or in debt), or take my 100-150R for TLN and hope I enjoy myself enough to give her some cab fare.

Rio Bob
06-19-05, 22:25
I predict next year during Carnival the exchange rates will fetch as follow:

02/01/06:
1EUR=R$2.56
1$US=R$2.11

This is my prediction for next year. Please hold me to it. I can explain later how I arrived at these numbers. But these numbers will for sure cut the supply of visitors. I mean I seen a record number of guys at Meia Petaca. There were not enough tables. So, yes the natural dynamics of the global economy will change that one square block area on Ave Atlantica.

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Its funny a couple of years ago I met a big blond from Floranopalis in Help, I spent several nights with her but the dollar was fetching 4 reais at the time and she told me that an American friend of hers who was a financial wizard told her that soon the dollar will be fetching 5 reais and that she was saving all her money in dollars. I hope she didn't wait till now to convert her money as she would have lost close to 50 % of her cash.

Monger 3
06-19-05, 22:31
"A girl leaves the flavela and moves to Rio and sells the service at the market place for more money than she could make in 3 months."

Very few of these women live in or have lived in favelas, guys.my experience quite the opposite, but I like the brown and black types. In my trip to Rio, all my trades were with chicas from Baixada Flumi-whatever, Nova Iguassu, or the back hills in Minas (and far out), and I loved it. U treat them with respect and charm, and they will bang ur brains out, and at a nice discount to some stuck up loira from Barra or Lagoa or some other barrio that generates stuck up hoes, and about which I can care less about. Dont even compare them to the HELP type. These are the chicas charging 30-50R an hour in random bordellos throughout town, and I have found several 7+ within walking of my apt in Rio.

Gimme the hoes from the Rio equivalent of the hood anyday, especially the newbies 18-20 yrs old. Mind blowing =P

Liucio
06-19-05, 22:37
Most of violent robberies were a gun is produced are not targeted towards Brasilinas. But of course the are targets also.

Why the men at HELP are robbed and not the girls I do not know. All the girls I know I warned me who to watch out for.

Most of those guys on the beach shaking your are hand are the exact same men behind the car with knife.

I do not know if the AMERICAN who had the lap top taken got it back. I am sure he did not. How can someone take a laptop from you with a gun.

And why would you be sitting a MIA PETACTA watching DVD's at night.

Even more crazy is the guy that took it does not know English well enough to use the machine. I do not think the police can do very much even if people has seen this guy many times around the beach. He will just dissappear for a month and return.

Liucio
06-19-05, 22:55
I think of course there are different prices for different people. Of course a woman will choose the man that paying $R200 over the guy that will pay $R100. That's a no brainer. But the men will also pay girls like Luana $R300 for 2 hrs. There are many girl that can fetch $R300 for 2 hr. They sit, they look, they walk over and drink. Thats it . It done. Then you see her 2 hours later.

From my interview with the men. Most of these guys are just looking to enjoy themselves. Some claim to be a record producers in the STATES. But some are just working class guys on vacation. One guy said "I wear my jewerly because I want to look mt best. I want them ( women) to know who they are dealing with."

The taxi drivers and waiters and police think we all have it made in our countries.

I was in another small town in North Eastern Brasil and all the women thougth I was some wealth tourist. Speaking the language of course gets you a lower price and it keeps the trouble away.

A place like BARBARELLA'S may have done themselves a disservice by raising the price. It was pact during CARNAVAL but last month on a FRI, SAT night it was not very busy. Was this due to price or some other variable?

Liucio
06-19-05, 23:06
This older gentleman form California told me that HELP a time in the MID 90's
was like a city in CALIFORNIA.

Where these Latin American would stand on the corner in the morning looking for work. And you could pay them almost nothing. He said he had work done to his home that would normaly cost $US300 done for $US100. And that these Men would do an excellent job.

He said that COPA was once that way. But know you can not get a good price because the next guy would ruin it.

Maybe after flying 12 hours price is not important anymore. After 12 hrs on an airplane $R300 is nothing.

But yes the women have agreed on a floor price. A price that they agree not to go below. But of course many do.

Of course the men agree not to pay $R300 but of course they do.

Liucio
06-19-05, 23:18
Brasilians overseas:

There are many of the more beautiful girls that work over seas. They are difinitely a 10 in everyone's eyes.

They work at HELP for maybe 1 or 2 years.

Then they get connected via clients. The clients arranges for the a place to work. Many go to Spain and Germany.

Many are choosing EUROPE because of the EURO. Its more real money. They earn for more in EUROPE than they could at HELP, far more. Plus many work 24hrs a day for 10 days at a time. Then they get I think 4 days off to do what they want. And they learn different languages and get more connections.

When they return home they turn their noses down on the HELP girls who are hustling for $R200/hr.

Go to CENTUARUS and you will meet some girls that once worked overseas.

Liucio
06-19-05, 23:32
I know nothing of the boat party arrest. My source on the ground has not returned any valuable info regarding it.

Let me assure you that it was all PR. The POLITICIANS & POLICE in RIO care absolutely nothing about about party such as that. That same party happens during Carnival everyday, even advertised. They were problably foreigners. Maybe they refused to pay the quoted bribe. I am sure they could have made the problem go away.

The residents of RIO care nothing about seeing foreigners being arrested on the television. They care about CRIME & EMPLOYMENT. Nothing more. The CONDO owners on the beach care about the crime that comes from the down from the hills and the POOR on those HILLS care about finding WORK.

My only question is : could those arrested afford the bribe.
Speaking from experience money talks. You don't need to explain what happened.

As I found out in my early days in that coutry. "PAY HIM. " "PAGAR ELE"

Liucio
06-19-05, 23:39
Does anyone now if SOLARUIM still exist.

I went there twice last month and it was closed.

It is near LAGOA. It was the best TERMA 2 years ago, better than CENTUARUS.

I was friends with some girls there but I can not locate ant of them now. And they are not working at any other TERMAS and they have not responded to e-mails. I can not believe that they are now working regular jobs.

The name was SOLARUIM.

Exec Talent
06-19-05, 23:40
My first visit to Rio was about 5 years ago. Before that I spent most of my time traveling other parts of the world. During my early visits to Rio most of the fellow visitors were respectful, relatively quiet financially well-off businessmen and professional athletes. Lately there seems to be a lot of head bangers and "everymen" with "I am a god" attitudes because in Brazil they are suddenly rich. On my last visit I ran into a waiter who saves all his money for visits to Rio. Candidly paying R$300 (USD 120) in Rio for a looker is not going to break me. What does tick me off is fat, ugly escorts in the US charging $300+. If you guys want to ***** about something ***** about that or just say no to them.

If the prices keep rising maybe it will be out of reach of some folks which will ultimately result in a reduction in demand. Five years ago during my first visit the exchange rate was 1.95 to 1. I even employed a driver/translator for the entire two weeks.

Bubba Boy
06-20-05, 00:07
For the record, I spend most of May in Rio and it was the quietest period I have ever spent in Rio. Some times there was only me and maybe 3 other guys in some termas, of course peak periods a few more came in but not that many. Help was likewise very slow, no one was in there before 11.45. The second section was closed. I was in Rio last may and it was definitely not that slow.

I say this because maybe the stronger Real is starting to affect demand from tourists, I still hold the view though that prices will continue to rise and Rio will not always be the cheap paradise it is now. Where is a dictator to fuck the economy up again when you need one..........................just kidding - I actually hope brasil's economy continues to strenthen for the good of the people.

Liucio
06-20-05, 00:14
You are correct to each, his own.

If you do not want to pay $R300 move on.

If you agree to pay $R300 then pay.

I think next year willing be a pivotal year where everything slows down considerably.

With the brazen uptick in crime in COPA. And the shake downs by the police.
And the price increase in hotels fees, oil, airlines and lower EURO and DOLLAR. The supply should go down.

I think we all agree that there will be someone willing to pay 3 $EUROS for a bottle of water in the airport.

Liucio
06-20-05, 00:26
For a small period there was actually a reduction in crime but now there has been a huge increase. But form the poeple I spoke with the crime has been targeted towards the tourist.

Before crime around HELP was not reported by the men. They would say well I lost $R50 what the hell at least I didn't die.

Now, they are walking up to the police trying to navigate though to fill out that small CRIME REPORT page.

I would like to know if any reported robber has ever been caught apprehended.

I do not know why the Brasilian girl that is with you does not get robbed.

I am sure everyone is not being set-up. That is impossible.

I seen many of those police talking on their cellular with their back turned away from the problem corners such as the corner where BOB's is located.

A lot of guys DO NOT want to pay the $R5 taxi from HELP at 3AM. They would rather walk. Many guys have told me this.

Liucio
06-20-05, 00:40
I Have seen the most corupt police in Fortaleza.

The girls and police must be working together. They are definitly supplementing their salary there.

The beaches there is the arena for the shake down. They know you do not have your documents on hand and throw in the girl who does'nt have papers but she's standing there talking to you. Only talking nothing more.

I have no concrete news on this ""BOAT arrest. I read last weeks online O'GLOBO and I found nothing. Maybe some can write something only if they know the facts. ONLY THE FACTS. Was any BRASILIANS arrested?

Were there any DRUGS found? Were the girls under of age? How many guys involved? And the most important who did the raiding was it the LOCAL POLICE or FEDERAL POLICE? BIG Difference in BRASIL.

Please list where we can read about this 2nd hand. What newspaper?

Liucio
06-20-05, 01:25
I have met mant people who do not go 100 square meters from MEA PETACA. They sit in those chairs for 10 days besides a taxi to a TERMA.

I have seen some order their dinner there. Most people are just not cultural or can not understand and appreciate culture.

Getting on the Metro and the buses can be difficult if you do not know the culture or language.

I took one guy with me on the bus to SANTA TEREZA. He was amazed. He had never left COPA. He had never been on the bus, metro or in a residential neighborhood.

Maybe some of those GENTLEMEN at the cafes are wealth. I don't know but the police sure want a piece of that liesure money.

As far as REAL ESTATE. It is hot everywhere. Those AMERICANS that got in last year were ready. They were prepared as you should be. They are not visitors of this site. They are %40 & %60 owners in the higher end apartments in IPANEMA. They purchased 2 , 2 bedroom flats. I am sure they will earn their investment back in 2 years if they keep it occupied year round.

You definitely have to be able to trust someone there. It an equation in your business success.

There are many young low key Italians with Apartments, many.
They of course got into the business before the 1999.

Millenium raked in a tremendous amount of cash.

I met a guy in BELO HORIZONTE that said he owned some apartments IPANEMA.
Upon further check, he is the owner and his places have been booked.

An AMERICAN told me about some places in MEXICO, but I am ignorant of MEXICOS economy and market and culture. But if the money is there I will follow.

Liucio
06-20-05, 02:08
For the gentleman that said he will pay the R$300 because he does not want to miss getting a 10. You say why take a 7 and payless and get less quality.

The Brasilian men never pay those prices and I have witnessed them get 10's. Yes, I have witnessed it.

There is a difference between paying $R300 for all night and $R300 for 2 hrs.
I would payer niether, but I respectl your rights to do either.

You said that you would be worried or concerned about the guy at the next table getting the 10 instead of yourself.

Are you just as concerned about the BRASILIERO getting her for $R80-$R90.

Yes, these girls do price discriminate just as we do.

Liucio
06-20-05, 02:27
My response to :

YOUNG & RESTLESS

There is a reason RIO is used as the background for that VALTREX commercial. RIO is 2nd to THAILAND.

Read any WHO or CDC journals and you would agree. The manufacturer is
GlaxoSmithKline, a EUROPEAN PHARMA company.

They are number #2 in the market to PFIZER.

But we are not supposed to talk about the subject in here. It will draw much hate postings.

Liucio
06-20-05, 02:31
If anyone knows why the woman is not being robbed during a robbery please post. Some guys think they are being set-up. But I think it maybe a respect issue. I didn't know these guys had ethics while robbering.

Liucio
06-20-05, 03:02
I would like to know the marrage numbers.

I only know of the marriages that resulted between meetings.

There was a guy that married the woman form CENTAURUS TERMA.

And there are two guys that I knew ( only from previsous visits ), that married programa girls.

Theres a huge trust factor involved. If she's not earner that kid of money in a salon, or as a cashier what will she do when you return. And will you agree to continue to send her money.

The gentlemen who married his wife years ago, had actually put her on his credit card. She had a Chase Credit card a CO-PURCHASER on his account.

To her credit, she never abused the card. And years later after he married her.

And now they have four children total - 2 from her previous relations.

That's love.

THATS THE DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH you can find even at HELP.

KnifeFish
06-20-05, 03:03
You are correct to each, his own.

If you do not want to pay $R300 move on.

If you agree to pay $R300 then pay.

I think next year willing be a pivotal year where everything slows down considerably.

With the brazen uptick in crime in COPA. And the shake downs by the police.
And the price increase in hotels fees, oil, airlines and lower EURO and DOLLAR. The supply should go down.

I think we all agree that there will be someone willing to pay 3 $EUROS for a bottle of water in the airport.You're probably right, although the major reason for the strong real is that their interest rates are set currently at 19.75%. The high oil price and the recent trade deals with China have also pushed the real up.

Java Man
06-20-05, 03:57
Liucio:
information on the Boat Bust can be found in the Rio: crime and safety section of this forum. it was originally reported in O Globo. NO Brasilians were arrested. this was a Federal Police Immigration Arrest.
O Globo reported that the americans were fined the maximum: $340 for not having their documents and ordered to leave the country in 3 days, with there visas revoked or restricted.
From second hand credible reports i recieved, this is not accurate. Yes the americans were detained for 12 hours, however, once lawyers and the US Embassy got involved, the charges were dropped against the 28 americans. the alleged crime was not a deportable offense. The PF themselves stated in O Globo that they did not find evidence of the original complaint: no minors and drugs present, nor evidence of pandering.
somehow the garota that made the initial complaint was identified and got her ass severly kicked by another garota, requiring a hospital stay.
the last i heard was that the organizer of the event was still held, but would be released shortly.

Liucio
06-20-05, 04:12
Was the organizer AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN?

Were these gentlemen on a tour package of some sort? OR where the the MIA PETACA guys.

Why would a PROGRAMA tip off the FEDS, those guys are interested in more serious crime.

Liucio
06-20-05, 04:18
Chingon

I you any info on a place called SOLARIUM?

It is located in LAGOA.

Liucio
06-20-05, 04:52
I have been to with a girl from RECIFE that demanded to be paid up front and I agreed. She left but then returned she had to give the money to her roommate to take back with her to their small town. She did not want tell me ahead of time. But I over heard her giving my address to roommate on her cell. It all worked out, I had her again later that week. But I would not do it again. It makes no sense and it provides no incentive for good service.

Some girls from BARBARELLA want to be paid in advance especially : ANNA
Yes she is a 10 or 11.

Liucio
06-20-05, 05:35
In did not see the JAPANESE girl in MAY.

She calls herself ROSA but, her birth name is different. She never goes inside HELP she is always standing outside near the tables.

Some of the girls tell me she has an AMERICANO boyfriend.

I would like to know if anyone has ever hired her personally?

I did not see the little girl CARLDANADA. She sells CHICLETS GUM with her brother.

Macunaima
06-20-05, 06:23
Liucio,

With all due respect, many of your salary quotes are WAAAAAY the fuck off. Minimum wage in Brazil right now is 167 a month. NO doctor, with the possible eception of a rank intern in residency, makes only 5 minimum wages a month.

Hell, man, I get paid almost 600 reais a month for teaching two classes as a substitute prof at a public university. Do you REALLY think an anthro who's basically a teacher's assistant makes almost what a doctor makes for 10 hours of in-class work a week? Come on, man!

As for managers and the like, 500 R$ is a more reasonable wage. Fuck, my MAID gets paid 100 reais a month to clean my apartment four hours, once a week, and she's charging cheap!

My research - and it has been quite etensive and I speak very fluent Portuguese - indicates that even a relatively unnattractive woman working in a good termas will pull down something like 1,500 Reais a month - in the off-season. The twins at Centaurus can probably make something like 8 times that during Carnaval. You are SERIOUSLY underestimating wages and pro's pay here in Rio. Your stats might be reasonable for somewhere in the Amazon, say, but not in this burg.

"As far as the women agreeing together as the OIL CARTEL. It is true I have heard it from new comers they have been told to start negotiating at $R150."

I can definitely confirm this one.

"I would like to know if any reported robber has ever been caught apprehended."

Several, actually. Just usually not immediately.

"I seen many of those police talking on their cellular with their back turned away from the problem corners such as the corner where BOB's is located."

Welcome to Rio. Don't feed the civil service workers.

Re: boat bust. You ask: "Was any BRASILIANS arrested?"

Contrary to what Chignon says, all forty prostitutes were arrested and taken down to the station house where they were released without charges. If anyone has any info regarding what happened to the male dual citizen, I'd dearly love to hear it.

"Were there any DRUGS found?"

No.

"Were the girls under of age?"

No.

"How many guys involved?"

29 and a photographer.

"And the most important who did the raiding was it the LOCAL POLICE or FEDERAL POLICE?"

The Feds.

"Please list where we can read about this 2nd hand. What newspaper?"

Either here or on the crime board, I posted a complete translation of the O Globo report on the 12th of June. You can find it there.

"If anyone knows why the woman is not being robbed during a robbery please post."

Mostly because the criminals know that the women will be around there day in and day out all year long and you won't. You will probably go away in a week or so. Moreover, the police take crime against Brazilians much more seriously, not because of prejudice, but because they know that actually finding and busting these guys is not always easy and one needs witnesses to come in and fill in the appropriate papers and etc. Gringos are here today, gone tomorrow. They want justice to magically and instantly occur and when it doesn't they throw up their hands, ***** about "Brazilian corruption" and go back to whatever they were doing. They do not want to take time out of their rotine and even those that do will usually not follow up on the problem. The women, on the other hand, know who's out there and are well known. A kid who rips one of them off might find himself lookijng down the wrong end of a 9mm some dark night and I guarantee you that know cop will investigate his death. The kids know this and thus avoid ripping off people who are liable to cause them trouble.

"I would like to know the marrage numbers."

There are no such numbers and anyone who cites them to you is talking straight out their asshole.

"The gentlemen who married his wife years ago, had actually put her on his credit card. She had a Chase Credit card a CO-PURCHASER on his account. To her credit, she never abused the card. And years later after he married her. And now they have four children total - 2 from her previous relations. That's love."

Nope. That's a pro retiring who's realized she's not going to get a better deal. It may also be love, but that is certainly not the main factor that impelled her to leave the life.

"THATS THE DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH you can find even at HELP."

And caveat emptor.

"Was the organizer AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN?"

Yank.

"Were these gentlemen on a tour package of some sort? OR where the the MIA PETACA guys."

Meia Petaca, I presume. Note spelling.

"Why would a PROGRAMA tip off the FEDS, those guys are interested in more serious crime."

Actually, busting se tourists when they make it this easy is now all the rage among the Feds. It's quick and gratifying work for them and they get a lot of good press out of it so why the hell not? I would presume that the tip off, like Chignon says, was a GP who was probably pissed off, perhaps because she was snubbed by the boat trip's organizer.

Chignon says: "From second hand credible reports i recieved, this is not accurate. Yes the americans were detained for 12 hours, however, once lawyers and the US Embassy got involved, the charges were dropped against the 28 americans. the alleged crime was not a deportable offense... somehow the garota that made the initial complaint was identified and got her ass severly kicked by another garota, requiring a hospital stay."

Do you have a publically accessible source for that, Chignoin? That is very, very important info for me! No names, no pack drill, of course. But this is quite important. Please PM me!

Java Man
06-20-05, 15:15
Lucio,
all arrested were american.
not a tour package. the organizer is an american who has or will retire to Rio. he arranges for the boat, food, drink & entertainment. it's all done by word of mouth. everyone knows someone on the boat.

Why would a PROGRAMA tip off the FEDS? pissed off at another garota, at the organizer, maybe she was PMSing who knows? your guess is as good as mine. if you can figure that one out, you're smarter than most.

yes i know Solarium, same people own Monte Carlo. i've been to both. as far as i know it's still open.
www.solarium.com.br

Bubba Boy
06-20-05, 21:10
Macunaima: The minimum wage as I understand it is R$275 per month, it hasn't been R$160 since about 2001???

Love Seeker
06-20-05, 21:39
Hello,

Thinking of making a trip to Rio the first two weeks in August.

I have some questions.

1) Do many of the girls that I would meet at Helps or on the beach speak English?

2) I will be traveling alone and I am very concerned about safety. Can I hire an English speaking driver that can keep me out of trouble (looking for a big young guy)? How much would I pay for a driver?

3) Is it easy to hook-up with other Americans or Europeans with the same interest in young women? (Safety in numbers)

4) How much rent should I pay for nice studio or one bedroom apartment the first two weeks in August?

Thanks

Love Seeker

Java Man
06-21-05, 04:57
From second hand credible reports i recieved, this is not accurate. Yes the americans were detained for 12 hours, however, once lawyers and the US Embassy got involved, the charges were dropped against the 28 americans. the alleged crime was not a deportable offense... got that from one of the guys on the boat when it was raided. no publicly accessible source, sorry.

somehow the garota that made the initial complaint was identified and got her ass severly kicked by another garota, requiring a hospital stay....that's strictly rumor.

Liucio
06-21-05, 05:40
Chingon,

Working in the hosptial

The minimum wage is $R250. It was raised to $R250 this year. This is what the cashiers, waiters, doorman, people and the people at the airport are making. I can refer you to some sources also that will state the same.

The Professionals like the Doctors and Dentist and some parts of the police force are making more but not much more.

Go to Botafogo and ask any of those young doctors their salary. Then ask a nurse her salary. Speak with doctor Moraes. He is a 34 year doctor working at the hospital in Botafogo. He will tell you what the salary is for a public doctor. In fact is not always gauranteed his full salary. Sometimes he is owed money by the hopstial.

As far as the girls: I have not met 1 that is making $R6000. Not even the TERMA girls.
Most of these girls have an apartment in COPA, which they can not afford. Which is the reason some have to work 7 days aweek. Many are sending money home supporting a mother, grandmother and 2 kids. Although not all.

I think your numbers are inflated but we will not argue.

Thanks for the info on the "BOAT BUST".

Liucio
06-21-05, 05:45
Maybe RIO is getting serious about cleaning up it image.

I doubt that thats the place to start.

Kenn
06-21-05, 13:13
Min. wage is now $R300 a month..

Voyajer1
06-21-05, 14:22
I know that in the Sampa reports Pluto wrote about private houses(Privados Hector, etc) in Sampa. Are there any in Rio de Janeiro? Where can you locate them? Any addresses?

Macunaima
06-21-05, 15:14
Correct on the minimum wage. All I can say in my defence is that I was multi-tasking at the time, talking on the phone while writing. Must've slipped.

However, my main point still stands. Those salaries L. posted are hideously low, even by carioca standards.

"The minimum wage is $R250. It was raised to $R250 this year. This is what the cashiers, waiters, doorman, people and the people at the airport are making. I can refer you to some sources also that will state the same."

L, I don't need sources. I LIVE here and I've lived here for 20 years and know full well what people are making. Shit, L, I've been making Brazilian wages for two decades now and you think that I don't have a DAMNED good idea what people get paid for their work?

While cashiers and doormen MAY be making close to the minimum wage, that doesn't include all their perks. Waiters make minimum wage for the same reason they do in the States: their money is made off of tips. A decent waiting job can pay very well, indeed - 1000 r$ or more a month, which is not a bad hunk of change for a guy who never made it through highschool. As for "people at the airport", there are a lot of job categories there, but only the lowest would make anything close to minimum wage.

My wife is a university professor in the social sciences at a 3rd rate private school (which in Brazil is synonymous with "worthless education"). She has her masters only and she makes 3000 R$+ a month. My brother-in-law works as bus-driver for a private high-school and he makes around 1000 reais a month. Our building super makes minimum wage, but he also gets his apartment for free and works maybe twenty hours a week. Our maid pulls in close to 1500 a month, between one job and another.

Professionals make quite a bit more than minimum wage in Brazil, L, though not as much as they would in the U.S. or Europe, of course. A job requiring a university degree will usually get you a minimum of 1000 R$ a month as a starting wage and 2000 - 3000 is a better estimate when all bennies and several years of on-job eperience are included.

I do not need to go to the public hospital in Botafogo to talk to the interns, L. Many of the kids down there are my students and interns make SHIT for wages when doing their public service. Your problem is that you don't take into consideration what they REALLY make outside of the public service once they've got their degree and residency completed. If you're chatting to folks working the emergency room, you are talking to the lowest of the low in the medical profession who are doing a legally-required temporary stint prior to moving on to something better. This is not good baseline for generating wage stats. Most doctors put in their public service hours and then do fairly well for themselves in public practice, something "Dr. Moraes" apparently neglected to tell you.

Hell, L, I have two friends who are MEDICAL TECHNICIANS and they make around 1200 reais a month, plus bennies. So please don't epect me to buy the thoery that the medical profession in Rio is averaging half that in monthly wages.

Your problem L seems to be that you don't quite understand how labor and pay is structured down here. Anyone making a public doctor's wage and that alone after his residency's done is either an independently rich philanthropist or a quack. frthermore, you seem to think that the Brazilians you meet are baring their souls to you about what they make and how they make it. Wealth is an intensely private thing down here and "officially" EVERYONE makes less than what they really make. People are thus very likely to underplay their wages, especially when talking to strangers with funny accents.

Why do you think I agree to make only 600 R$ when my wife makes five times that? It's because my job is at a poor but prestigious university and working there looks great on my resumé and I can make ends meet by doing translation work off the books. After a few years of this, I'll hopefully be off to the private sector and better pay, but I'll probably always keep my hand in in the public sector, simply because it's good work and it looks good on the CV.

"As far as the girls: I have not met 1 that is making $R6000. Not even the TERMA girls."

Yep, that is a high-end estimate, as I quite clearly stated. But tell me, L, do you even speak Portuguese? If not, why are you so convinced that you've got the inner skinny on what's going on? The fact of the matter is that popular terma girls can indeed pull in 6000 reais over Carnaval, especially if they are working nights turning tricks on the side. 2000 is a much more realistic wage, but then again, I made that very clear in both my previous posts, didn't I?

reg12
06-21-05, 16:39
Liucio,

I know a girl at Centuarus who makes at least 1500 reais per week...and when she has regulars in town...she makes more. So 6000 reais per month is not uncommon.

I met this other girl at Barbarellas and she quotes 500 reais. I turned her down and some European old guy snapped her up right away and was willing to pay that price. This girl was hot so I'm not surprised that she can command that rate. I'm sure she makes 6000 + per month.

If you are talking about the average Help chick or Meia Pataca puta...then yes, I agree those girls would probably struggle to make 6000 per month. But there are girls who can command that rate easily.

Beleriand
06-21-05, 21:52
Having mongered quite a few times in SP and being a total newbie in Rio I was about to give up trying anything in Rio since most reviews in the Rio threads spoke of declining club scenes (I usually go to the clubs in SP), robberies, LE raids, etc. and I couldn't really bring a chica to my hotel this time since its packed with co-workers.

Then I saw Rovnak's report on Solarium and decided to give it a shot. I had never been to a Terma before.

I must back his report 100%.

As in clubs, they give you a little tag with a # and a key to go change into a robe. All payments are done upon exit. This is what I spent:

Entry Fee R$50
Room Fee R$70 or R$50 (can't recall)
Chica 40' R$120 + Tip

Total R$242 - includes 2 Drinks (1 for me & 1 for chica), excludes tip

It is not necessary to invite a drink to the chica but I always do.

Now, I went around 4pm (Tuesday) and there where 3 other guys and about 15 chicas. All chicas where between 7 and 10 and of all types.

On each country I been to I always find myself wishing to find some very pretty local girl but without exception, only the averages and below dedicate to this hobby. At least in my experience.

In Brazil it is different, and today I found further proof of this. There was this beautiful barbie doll called Camila. Brunette, long brown hair, green eyes to kill for and a cute well formed spinner body (I am not good guesstimating cup sizes but I would say around B). Her face sweetness embodied. I am sure there is a celebrity that looks like her but right now I can't recall who she is.

Once I bought her her 'Agua de Coco' and my 'Red Bull" (I was not able to sleep on the flight in this morning) we started making out in the bar.

Then we moved to the room and I visited heaven. Total GFE, BBBJ, DATY (prior inspection although that's no guarantee but I can't help it). No greek.

This girl alone makes me wish I found time to return during this stay. And there were other beauties, including a couple of gorgeous blondes.

By the way, it seems both showers have hot water now!

Can't thank Rovnak enough for his convincing post. It made my Rio stay memorable.

And it never ceases to amaze me the attitude Brazilians have in relation to this hobby. It's unreal! The cabbie couldn't stop talking me about other places and prices and such. Girls couldn't care more about you. The people at the solarium's front desk were super nice and helpful. This is perfect!

Cheers!

B.

Carlos Primeros
06-21-05, 22:58
Dear Macunaima

I agree totally with your report - I am German/Portuguese form St. Cantarina living in Europe. I have a girl-friend in Rio which is a MD. She was "working" before to afford here studies and now she is working in a hospital near to the airport to make ends meet. After her official working time she is working in a private hospital to make some extra money. She was working at Centaurus and war really making good money for hear standards - 4000 R$ in 2002. That was the highest pay she ever got.

She told me one thing: do you want to fuck 5 - 6 guys a day for 2000 US$ a month? ( that was the exchange rate at those days) I did not enjoy it and I am making now the same money as a MD. My live has improved.

The girls at the Termas are making the same money as a MD. So I think that their life is not bad.

Stop argueing about the pay of the Therma girls - they provide a serviece and we pay for it . Why lament about it?

Carlos

Bubba Boy
06-22-05, 00:24
Actually the minimum wage is not R250 as of 2005. It was R260 in 2004 and is now R275+ in 2005.

The rate of R6000 per month for an upper end GDP is also wrong. One of my favourite amigas in Rio does 4 guys on average a night at R120 per pop x 20 working days per month = R9,600

I also know numerous other busy girls that would do this and more. The same amount of guys at Centaurus would equate to R13,000 per month, still not much money by western standards but good for brasilian standards.

Liucio
06-22-05, 02:28
Macunaima,

Lets remain civil, there is absolutely no need for the tenor in your writing. Yes, I do speak the language and yes I did speak with many people regarding their salaries. I was actually responding to CHINGON'S statement. But we are can join in. Remember we are discussing wages not arguing or battling for ground. I am speaking entirely on my experience and I perceive you were also. If I made a misnomer then I stand corrected but I am only stating the numbers I was given. My statement was not anything to be.

Liucio
06-22-05, 02:39
CONTINUED:

Directed towards Macunaima :

My statement was not anything to be defensive or offensive about. My experinces were simply different than yours. I we not to taken as a device brag about. I'm not saying I have been there the most times, or that I know the most girls, or that I'm the most cultured on Brasil. If you don't agree this thats understandable and granted. To note I spend the least of my time in RIO when I am in Brasil. Now lets discuss things and not argue.

We are can learn a thing or two here.