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Admin
01-01-05, 02:00
Thread Starter.

Athos
01-01-05, 04:01
Cali Monger
Yeah we have a match, Anita used to have braces at Centaurus, her tongue piercing is fairly new, small tattoo I remember too. If you check her breasts, you will notice they sag a little bit. Garotas over 22 usually lie about their age. Anita goes sometimes by Alice. If you want more details, Anita does not lick ass and that's a service I like to receive. But she gives good head, tight pussy and no kid. Highly recommended as her body is splendid, she goes to the gym to keep it that way.

Robert Palli
01-01-05, 07:13
Definately would like one of the girls in termas. That would be awesome. Maybe even help garotas.

Saint
01-01-05, 21:08
i decided to take a break and get out of buenos aires and get some beach time. i booked a last minute ticket to rio. i arrived the other night and i have been resting up. i do have to say the quality has gone way way down since i was here last year. i went to help 2 nights ago and really struggled to find a cute girl. i saw maybe only 2 hot girls. the rest of the girls looked like something you would find on the street or at mia pataca´s. it was bad. i did end up hooking up with a 19 year old cute blonde. i took some good photos of her and might post some shots when i get to buenos aires. she asked for 350 r but i quickly got her down to 250r. she stayed about 3 hours and i had a great time.

i hooked up with some friends at alcazar and i always ask myself why in the world everyone meets up there. i hate that place. it has to have the worst food with the worst service and the worst attitude. yesterday i got raped on the service and the food. get this. i order a normal steak sandwich and they have jacked up prices of something like 22r for a simple piece of steak between two pieces of normal bread. then i asked for lettuce and tomatos for the sandwich and they charged me 20r for a salad! what thieves. i ended up paying like 42r for a simple steak sandwich. i recommend everyone boycott that place. the service always sucks too.

anyway, a few of us hung around and watched the fireworks. i gotta say that even the normal girls in the streets the quality has gone way way down. what´s going on here? makes me damn glad i don´t live here. god bless buenos aires because after coming to rio it makes me realize how much i love the classiness of the city there. the fireworks sucked. there was no breeze so the smoke just built up from the fireworks and hung around so you could not even see the fireworks.

i went to help and i ran into my buddy jack danials from wsg. i met him in buenos aires and we hung around in help really late but the girls all sucked. literally the girl to guy ratio was like 7 guys for every girl. it was packed with dudes. the termas are all closed yesterday and today. i laid out on the beach today and i just ran into jack daniels here in the internet cafe. (small world). we are going to dinner tonight probably at zaza´s and probably will try help again.

i will hit the termas tomorrow and i hope to god the girls aren´t as bad there as at help. where have all the hotties gone?

i´m not just talking about the quality at help. there are over a million people on the streets of copacabana for the fireworks. over half of them are female. i had a hard time seeing many hotties out of over a million people. that is not an exaggeration. i walked around with my buddy, hemp several hours and i think it´s fair to say that neither of us were impressed.

don´t blame it on the newbies which i think has nothing to do with it. there simply aren´t as many hot girls around compared to two years ago. this is my 9th trip to rio over the past two years and this is the worst i have ever seen it. i have noticed a trend in south america (mainly buenos aires and rio) that the hot girls must be leaving for greener pastures.

the one funny moment last night was in help. this hottie that i saw 1.5 years ago that i had a great time with was with her boyfriend. she stopped to talk to me and asked if i was still dating my girlfriend. i told her no. my ex was really pissed at this girl because when she came to my house in the usa she found all these naked pictures of the girl. this girl´s boyfriend didn´t seem to happy that we were talking about me having naked pictures of her. oh well. what the f*ck do you expect when you come to help for nye with your ex-pro girlfriend???? hilarious!

i´m hooking up with jackdaniels for dinner then we are heading to help again. i won´t leave empty handed tonight. i´ll post some pictures of the girl i saw the other night. she was cute.

life is good.

Robert Palli
01-02-05, 02:49
What's up man? Sorry to hear about the bad quality in RIO that really disappoints me since i'll be in rio from the 7th to the 14th of January. Hopefully the girls will flock down to rio by then. I might have to stick with termas and escorts and avoid help if it's so bad. I would love to see those pics of the girl? Was she complete? Since this may be the only girl doable in help when I come, I would love to get her contact info, pic, or name even.(even description would be good). Also for the other mongers, any info on help during this week would be great and also on the termas. Hopefully they'll be up and running by the time I get in. Also, if u want to join me in mongering during that week, message me or email me. I'll give u my email once u message me. Also, any info on www.biariosp.com(BIANCA GOSTINHO) or something 200 reals for 3 hours complete. I want to know whether to try her or not. Any reviews reports would be great.

Thanks,

Robert

Saint
01-02-05, 17:22
I went to Help again last night because it is the only thing open on NYE and New Year´s Day. It was horrible again. Maybe 3 hot girls out of hundreds. I didn´t have any problems with attitudes but the general theme is that there are so many guys that outnumber girls that the decent looking ones will give guys attitude if they don´t want to leave with them. My buddy Jack Daniels went up to talk to girls and they didn´t even say anything but NO. Literally that was the first word out of their mouth and they walked away. I saw the same thing with several guys. The girls just said, *NO*. I asked both girls that I pulled out and both told me that the ratio is such that they really do not have to leave with anyone that they aren´t attracted to. They said that they just keep saying no until one that they like comes up to them. I found this amazing but I guess if I were the girls, I would do the exact same thing. If you are going to make the same amount...why not leave with someone that you are attracted to?

I had better luck. I pulled a pretty blonde 21 year old from the South of Brazil. She spoke Spanish so we had no problems communicating. GREAT session and we hit it off. She spent the night for 300R. She gave me her home # and she wants to fly to Buenos Aires in March so we will see how it goes. I did this once before and it was great.

Yeah it may be like bringing sand to the beach but I am a sucker for a pretty thin blonde with good natural breasts. Thank God the termas are open today. I plan to see how the terma action is and I will also hit Barbarellas sometime this trip and see how it is.

Robert,

Sorry but I´ve never given out personal information on a girl to someone that I don´t know personally. You won´t have a hard time seperating the pretty girls from the dogs at Help. The pretty ones are few and far between. Good luck.

JoshJosh69
01-02-05, 17:31
I am a little alarmed at the latest couple of reports regarding HELP. People seem to be saying that they are paying 300reals for the night. Is this what all the girls are asking now? Please advise.

MoonDog
01-02-05, 18:01
Saint,

It is really no different than other major cities in Latin America. The best girls are out of town with their families, and the clubs and reataurants increases their prices due to the flock of tourists in town at this time.

It is the same in BA for tourists, but can be very nice if you know someone special that you want to be with during the holidays.

Have a great year in 2005,

Moondog

Ezinho
01-02-05, 18:14
I will hit the termas tomorrow and I hope to God the girls aren´t as bad there as at Help. Where have all the hotties gone?
Europe.

No seriously, I think thats where they all are. I was in Rio from April to September and I can't tell you how many girls I met in the termas that were either getting ready to leave for Europe, or had just come back and were planning to go back next year. It seems a lot of them start out in Portugal, but eventually make their way to Spain, Italy, etc, where there is even more money to make. Just to put it in perspective, I can honestly say the selection in April was at leat 5 times better than in September! So I actually watched with my own eyes the quality lower month by month.

But I guess I can't really balme them though. The way the dollar is going against the Euro, if I could work in Europe, I might do it too!

Snooky
01-03-05, 04:30
Saint:
It's all in the timing. Everyone goes to Rio in their summertime December - March prices are up and so are the number of guys.

At help, I seriously doubt that it was 7-1 and not even 1-1 but definitely not what it normally is in the off-season. when there are more guys in town they charge more and can pick and choose their dates for the evening. I've never heard of verbal NO's before but have had the $300USD quote NO's which means that I move on.

Also agree with Moondog that at Christmas time and New Years a lot of girls are at home with their families or with their boyfriends or favorite guys.

Robert Palli:

1)The termas are closed for Christmas and from what I understand only about 5-6 holidays of the year would Luomos or Monte Carlo be closed. I think Help is only closed on Christmas eve and Good Friday. If you are planning future trips you may want to pay attention to the holidays http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2005&country=33

2)95% of the fun of Rio is finding your own ladies. What one person considers a hottie may not be attractive to you. Case in point, peruse some of the pictures in the Brazil photo gallery.

All:

Who on here wants Robert Palli to finally get to Brazil, get his nut and figure it all out on his own :)

Lover Boy #2
01-03-05, 08:04
Mr. Palli,

Here is another tip for you for what you want. Go to 4X4 ask for Bom-Bom. She will do anything you want, is very friendly and you will have a great time. But, like others are saying....get out there and find your own paradise. We all feel bad for your previous travel issues, but finding the gems is all the fun...and one man's gem could be another's trash!

JackDaniels
01-03-05, 10:07
Help is absolutely dreadful. Vast numbers of 2's and 3's, a few 4's and 5's, even fewer 6's and you could count the 7's on the fingers of one hand. I was determined not to change my game plan. I was not going to leave with anything less than a 7. The girls look trashy and the huge amount of guys there appear to be similar. I was buying a drink at the bar and I moved a can of beer by a couple of inches on the bar counter to avoid knocking it over by mistake. There were 2 American guys next to me and one of them barked ''Hey, that is my beer''. I gestured my apology and he did not acknowledge. Just a trashy guy. I also saw guys walking around and grabbing girls' butts, much to the anger of the girls. This is an awful place.

I did find a nice looking girl, a 7, and I got friendly with her but I noticed a couple of small cold sores on her lips. You could only see them up close. You can't be too careful and I decided not to go with her although she was keen. I did have a full body fondle with her at the bar counter, including under her shirt (front and back). I was discrete though (JD is no exhibitionist). She was the only girl that I thought was worth doing, but I was not prepared to take a risk with the cold sores, which she said was caused by smoking. Yeah,right. Shame, she was rather nice and there was some kind of chemistry going on between us.

It was amazing to see 5's walking around with a prima donna demeanour. 2 blondes approached me, I would grade them as 4.5, and asked me which one I preferred. I was not in the least interested, but I played a game appearing to dither between one and the other. I then pointed to one and said ''Well, it is you''. She said that she would be $200. I said ''Hmmm, that is 520 reals, which is a lot''. She said ''Yeah, because we are beautiful''. I did not want to laugh out loud, so I made a tactful exit.

Centaurus terma is also the pits, but I managed to get together with one of the best lookers there and had a great session. So, I was happy with that. This once renowned place has become really bad, though they continue to act as if they are the best. The attitude of the front desk staff is poor.

Luomo is great and I had 2 great sessions with a blonde 20 year old, who provided great performances. Great kissing for a very long time in the bar before we got into the room. The good thing about termas is that you can try out before making a commitment and I knew she would be great.

I also got a great girl out of Barbarellas - another petite blonde who was really sweet.

I am never going to Help again. It really is the pits. I have never seen so many unattractive females assembled in one place. In fact I wonder if it is worth going to Rio again. I had great girls in BA and Sao Paulo. In SP, I got the perfect 10. She was good enough to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue. No exaggeration. (Sorry, but my personal policy is no names and no photos).

I am reminded of a comment that JWadd made earlier and I do concur with his comment.

Rio can eat my shorts

Royalflush
01-03-05, 13:53
I was in Rio for a couple of weeks prior to Christmas and my experience was very different from what has recently been posted. I found the talent pool everywhere I went was very good--and I've been to Rio enough so I recognize faces and some of them recognize me. I'm not a big fan of Help, but went there on one occasion and got hit on by almost every girl that walked by. I even went upstairs to the very end above and to the right of the stage and women were looking up and flirting with me the whole time. A very tall, slender, beautiful blonde from SP, who I didn't think I'd have much of a chance with started talking with me by the bar downstairs and then propositioned me. She was about 6'2" with heels on much taller than I am. When I declined (mainly due to her height), she asked if there was someone else I wanted to be introduced to. Couldn't have been nicer. When I finally settled on someone, it was a cute morena with a killer body: petite with d-cups, great butt. Best of all, she had been circling me all night and was all over me like a 16-yr old in love. A funny thing happened while she and I were talking at the bar. A non-pro, possibly a Brit, came over to me and started talking (about what I do not know), until her girlfriend dragged her away. She was cute, and I might haved pursued her if I weren't predisposed. At any rate, I took the bird in hand and she stayed with me until around 1pm the next day, with multiple sessions. Gave me her home address, email, cell phone, etc. Very sweet girl visiting from Goiana(sp?). R250 total.

Barbarellas was also better than usual. Got my pick of the hottest women in the place. Each one was sitting down next to me, I would interview them, then usually send them away. Both times I was there, I ended up with a hot looking girl with nice attitude, who settled for R200. Didn't stay all night, though. One of them (upon leaving my place) told me the price was $200 dollars, to which I stated that this was not the US and when someone tells me up front that it's 200, the assumption is that is Reais. She didn't even argue, just smiled and took the money.

4X4 was better than the last two times I was there. If you go around 4pm before everyone gets off work, you have a great selection. I've found lots of girls there who like Americans. Found one morena, who was extremely pretty and thin, with a nice butt. She had a piercing above her left eye and a tatoo just above her pussy (her only flaw). She was a total sweetheart. Would not stop kissing me. She just kept kissing the entire time we were together, except while she was sucking. Very tight, also, and the best fuck I had in Rio, with the possible exception of one escort I got from Company Girl.

I think there was a miscommunication, though, because I waited for her to come back to the boite and she took a very long time. When I finally saw her again, she stuck her tongue out at me and walked by. In retrospect, I think I was supposed to wait for her in the upstairs lounge, so she probably thought I was looking for another girl. Oh well.

Had two good experiences with escorts. Tried company girl and ciaplus. In each case the girls were not very good looking in the face, but attitude and technique made up for it. I generally go only for very pretty women, so when these escorts showed up at the door, I was disappointed. However, when I saw how nice they were and how willing they were to please, and how good they looked below the neck, I found myself getting into the spirit of things.

I was generally happy with the quality level of the women in Rio during my visit, but then I left more than a week prior to Christmas, so a lot of girls I saw were probably trying to hit their number before leaving for the holiday. I would say to those who want to visit during the holidays, you may want to head to places like Recife and Bahia. I hear great things about both, and you also will have lower prices and much lower crime.

One thing I would add to all the above is I can speak enough Portugese to get by and all my conversations were in Portugese. I have heard some girls saying that they will only go for guys who speak their language, so if you want to gain an advantage, learn the language.

Saint
01-03-05, 16:19
Yesterday I had a exhausting day. I went to the beach and caught some rays for a few hours then I was going to go to Luomo. I got a call from Hemp saying that he was at Solarium. I didn´t want to go to Solarium as I have only had a few good sessions and I find the selection of girls lacking usually. Hemp did call me before I was going to leave warning me that there were only 5 girls but more were supposed to come in. I called him again before I left my apartment checking to see if it got any better. Against my judgement and 15 R taxi and 50R entrance fee later I knew I made a mistake. It was horrible with not one girl I would pay to see. The guys outnumbered the girls maybe over 2 to 1. I don´t think I will return here anytime soon.

I told Hemp I was going to Luomo and he went with me. The quality of the girls has gone down since I was last here but still there were some cuties. I quickly selected a pretty blonde girl with a great body. She was really great. I pretty much spent the entire day and night here. I hooked up with this cool dude from CH. I can´t remember his handle but I will call him Dr. P. We had a lot of laughs and closed down the place. Dr. P. was with this hottie blonde that I wanted to session with. Then he told me her sister was the wildest girl he ever had in his life. Don was there also and he confirmed that everyone and his brother told him that she was great. She wasn´t exactly my type but I was in the mood for a porno session. It didn´t help me say no when she came up to me and said in Portuguese that she wanted me to cum all over her face. Oops.

I usually don´t like getting descriptive with sessions but I feel I owe it to the monger community to say that this is just one of those girls that loves sex. She told me that she can´t get enough sex and I believe her. Even before the session she was making out with her sister and they were sucking on eachother´s tits on the dance floor. She was the wildest girl I was ever with and we are talking about over 700 or 800 girls...maybe more. That is just an estimate. During the session she was so freaking wild. True to her request on the dance floor, she did pull off my condom and had me cum all over her face. What a nasty girl...ha,ha. Her name is Paula for those of you interested.

I was so drained after that session but she demanded another round. That girl is so freaking nympho. I was literally drained after that session. Dr. P. and I planned on hooking up after our sessions. I was in a mellow mood because I also had an hour long massage from Jacqualine the masseuse. Man she is strong! Anyway, we hooked up and were both starved. We went to the Terrace in front of Help and chowed like there was no tomorrow. This place ain´t cheap but at least the food is pretty good unlike that craphole Alcazar.

I was so drained but we noticed several hotties strolling around. I told him that things might be picking up. I was in shorts so I had to go home and change after dinner. I was getting a second wind and I felt I owed it to myself to go to Help. I have been working like a dog in Buenos Aires and I´m not sure when I will get another chance to go on vacation. I went home and showered and changed and went to Help.

The place was packed at 1:30 AM. I also always pay with a u$s 100 bill. The exchange rate is so good here as mentioned many times, so the entrance is free with the good exchange rate. I have done it 3 times this trip. There was a little bit better selection of girls but the girl to guy ratio was dismal. Still, I found a hottie brunette girl from Sao Paulo and she absolutely rocked my world. Funny at first she thought I was from Brazil. I said, `oi Brasilera` and she responded back, `oi Brasilero`. She quickly found out I was American and tried to charge me a gringo rate of 500 R. I just laughed and wished her good luck. I´m sure she could get it since she was hot and there were so many guys but what you will notice as Jack Daniels mentioned is that many guys in here are trashy.

Many guys in Help are just there to watch. Many have zero chance of scoring with all the money in the world and many more think they can score with a total hottie for very cheap. Also, many drunks that hook up with horrible horrible girls. I have actually seen this phenomenom with some a popular guy on CH. He was with this old woman one time and he was so drunk that this old hag even tried charging him like 400R. I told him that if he left with her I would never talk to him again.

Anyway, I got the price down to 200R which was really cool. I didn´t think she would go for it. I told her I was exhausted and already came 3 times today and she didn´t think that was too funny. One thing about Brasileras is they are extremely jealous. Even if they are just with you for the first time. Anyway, I am dragging now but I am meeting Dr. P. at 4X4 when it opens.

Hopefully the downtown termas are good. I was going to go to Barbarellas last night but it was Sunday after a holiday so I figured it would be slow. I will try it maybe tonight. JackDaniels said he pulled a hottie so I will see how it goes. He has good taste in girls.

Later.

PS. DonGringo I only hung out with a few times but he is right. I admit I am a picky bastard. And why not? As mentioned before, I have always had good luck with girls. If I am going to pay for a girl she had better be pretty or really damn good in bed but preferably both.

I realize we all have different numbering systems but a classically pretty girl will always be pretty. There is one thing for a guy to be with a hot girl that no other guy can say is ugly and one thing for a guy to be with a fowl girl that he might THINK is hot and others know is ugly. I like girls that could literally be on a cover of some magazine. Perfect hair, perfect teeth, good complexion. Just like DonGringo said. I have only gotten a few photos but I will post one of a girl I saw from Help. She had a damn cute face, perfect tits but she had some pudge in her stomache. Oh well. Still was hot and a damn good lay.

The incident DonGringo is talking about is 100% true. We were in Centaurus and I spot this hottie blonde. Perfect hair, perfect face, perfect teeth, great body with great tits. I ask him about her and he says that several guys said that she was horrible in bed. I never go by what other guys say because we all have different experiences. She came over to me and the first thing I told her is that I heard she was horrible in bed. Ha, ha.

Holy shit. While we were in the session she F*cked the life out of me. She kept saying in Portuguese, `how horrible is this`. She said it over and over as she changed positions. Kept saying things like `tell your friends how horrible this feels`. It was great.

JackDaniels
01-03-05, 17:19
Europe.

No seriously, I think thats where they all are. I was in Rio from April to September and I can't tell you how many girls I met in the termas that were either getting ready to leave for Europe, or had just come back and were planning to go back next year.

Well, that is good for me. I might pay European prices but I will save the airfare and hotels. In fact, if all the world's hotties are going to be on my doorstep, I am happy. :)

MoonDog
01-03-05, 18:42
The incident DonGringo is talking about is 100% true. We were in Centaurus and I spot this hottie blonde. Perfect hair, perfect face, perfect teeth, great body with great tits. I ask him about her and he says that several guys said that she was horrible in bed. I never go by what other guys say because we all have different experiences. She came over to me and the first thing I told her is that I heard she was horrible in bed. Ha, ha.

Holy shit. While we were in the session she F*cked the life out of me. She kept saying in Portuguese, `how horrible is this`. She said it over and over as she changed positions. Kept saying things like `tell your friends how horrible this feels`. It was great.
Good story about Centaurus. The Latin girls are so competitive and jealous, it is a riot to watch in action.

Thanks for the re-cap.

CaptainNemo
01-03-05, 19:48
I concur Saint’s experience with Paula. I hope that we are talking about the same person. She has a slight different name in the Luomo. Something like Palumo Resort. She and her sister have the blonde hair extension. So, they are not really blonde. It is a very nice and expensive hair job. Most of people will not even notice that.

She does not have the young, fresh face. Her face looks like the blonde finalist at Apprentice 2. But, she is great in bed. Every time I am with her (3 times), she spends extra time with me in the room. There was one time. We were in the middle of session when the time was up. She picked up the phone and acknowledged it. Then, she was immediately back to doggie and asked me to continue. It took me another good 5 minutes to come (I had a lot of drink that day).

After session, she often spends a lot of time with me at the bar. I was bit embarrassing when she compares how many orgasms she had with other girls (including her sister).

The other good thing about Paula is that she is not jealous. Luomo is small. Every time I was there, there was always a girl getting jealous if I went with other girls. The situation is so bad that most of girls know about it. Paula is very good that she encourage me to go with other girls. She keeps telling me that she is not jealous. That’s how I have the wonderful session with her sister. She will tell other girls how good I am. It makes me feeling very good. From time to time, I do need someone to boast my ego.

Young & Restless
01-03-05, 21:25
I'm pretty sure that this is the same girl that I met at Luomo in November. Her Luomo name was Paula and her real name sounded only slightly different than that. Long blond hair (from a bottle) w/ dark brown eyes, a belly piercing and a neckless around her waste. A few other noticeable ID marks were a tattoo right above her... er umm.. flower (wink, wink) and another one on the left side of her waste.

If this is the same girl that I was with, she was hands down one of the biggest nymphos that I have ever encountered in Rio. She finished up w/ an incredible BBBJ and insisted that I cum all over her. There was no doubt that she was into her job. Unbelievable...

I think I will have my complete report ready on Wednesday. Until then...

Y & R

JackDaniels
01-03-05, 22:29
Help:
I am not sure what to make of the feedback, whether the quality is down due to girls leaving the country or if it is the seasonal effect. Perhaps it is both. Either way, I don't feel inclined to visit the place during New Year. However, Rio is a good place to spend New Year and I guess the answer is to get some kind of private supply rather than having to rely on the abysmal quality in Help. I talked to 2 Brits in there and they too were saying that the quality was awful.

Luomo:
The Luomo girls could be possessive as my girl said to me after our session that if I don't choose another girl, she would not go with another guy that evening ! Everytime she went to talk to friends, or went to the bathroom, she would say to wait for her and that she will be back very soon - and she did come back to me within minutes.

Centaurus:
Two things that my Centaurus girl said to me. She said that she sometimes goes to Help as it is easy money. I guess as she is very attractive, she will get picked up pretty fast. She said "Girls not beautiful in Help" ! The second thing she said to me was funny. She provided a really good CIM after which she said something like "Mmmmmm, nice taste of chocolate". Well, if I could guarantee that, there would be plenty of takers any time I request CIM.

Now I recall the third thing she said to me during our time in the cabine. As she approached her climax, she kept biting her lower lip and kept saying "F*** me, baby" louder and louder until she climaxed. I guess I lucked out in Centaurus - there was nothing close to this girl in there.

Saint
01-04-05, 16:41
Oi chicos. Hey, I hope I am not painting the wrong picture for newbies that don´t travel much. One guy said that he was cancelling his trip to Rio because of the quality deteriorating. For most newbies or guys that only travel once or twice a year, you will probably still find Rio to be a paradise. It´s for the well traveled guys and the guys that have been here several times that I am saying is going to be disappointed compared to the `glory days`. Still, Rio as a sex destination still beats most places I have been to around the world with the termas.

I said it before and I´ll say it again. The terma is the single best invention in the world. Maybe one of you more eagar beavers can give the rest of us a book report on when the first terma got started and who was the first one that started it. That guy deserves a Nobel Peace prize. I´m serious.

Last night I was going to go to Barbarellas when my Paulista from the night before called me. She´s not a hard core pro and only here in town for 2-3 weeks. Anyway, I took her to dinner and we just walked along the beach in Copacabana. I was drained but she spent the night and it was really great. I keep trying to go to Barbarellas but something keeps preventing me from going. I hope to make it there tonight. I really am curious about the scene there. I think a few of the girls I pulled out of there are some of the highest rated Rio photos. There used to be some real model quality girls in there.

I am dead so I will finish checking my emails then go lay on the beach a few hours. The weather has been good the past few days. Not sure if I will go to the termas today or call the blonde from the other night to go to the beach. Decisions, decisions. Life is tough.

Kid Cisco
01-04-05, 19:10
Me and Godfather/Saint don't agree on a lot of things BUT this time I do agree with him that newbies and rookies should check out Rio for themshelves.

I get turn off by girls that go and travel 9 hours on a plane and then talk about how ugly the girls look and call them trashy BUT, I can't help but notice the ones that look good to them are almost always 98% of the are so-called "blonde hotties".

With that said, must guys I know that goes to Rio aren't looking for "blonde hotties" they aren't into FLAT BUTTS they are into nice ROUND BUTTS and like their women with a little tan and anyone that been to Rio knows how those tan lines look on those brown/black skin girls.

If blondes and Buenos Aires, Argentina is your thing fine, just don't paint a picture to guys that haven't been to Rio that just because a girl isn't a blonde she isn't worth her asking price or worth a trip to Rio.

I been going to Rio before there was a club help and one thing I notice from talking with the girls that hate it when a gringo thinks just because they are a American they the girls are to bow down to them and kiss their feets, most girls that pick up on that attiude would just say NO or ask for some wild price like 500 reals or $300.00 just to get gringo out of their face.

So check it out newbies and guys that haven't been to Rio and a few years don't worry there are still many HOTTIES around to pick from just have a good attiude and don't look down on the girls.

Kid Cisco

Frank White
01-04-05, 20:42
Nemo,

Her working alias is Paloma Picasso.

Met her 3 weeks ago in Luomos, we had a great session together which she commented with “safaaado!”.

She’s really a pro and we adjusted perfectly, no details necessary as some of you know what we are talking about.

Did you know that she is a “celebrity”?

She featured a videoclip from famous ‘Mike in Brazil’, which is available either at Mike’s website (if you are member), or you can download for free at KaZaa, search for ************ & Paula(trailer name).

BTW the tattoo shows wellknown pussy-cat Sylvester..

Frank

Track Star
01-04-05, 21:01
Kid Cisco,

You're darn right. Everybody that is whining and whimpering about Rio, go somewhere else. My experience in September was very good. Negotiate price. Use some salesmanship. Price of pussy in Rio is very reasonable and there are many hotties to be had. The guys that complain so much..if they can get all the hotties in the US like they make it sound..why the heck are they in Rio in the first place? Only real mongers need apply..the rest can stay home.

JackDaniels
01-04-05, 21:32
Saint, I am glad that the Paulista in Help is turning out to be a good contingency for you. It just goes to show that in an ocean of dogs, one can still find a kitten.

I half agree that Rio is a good destination. Termas are a great concept and as for the guy who invented it, may he be blessed with many children. OK, lets look at the totality of Rio. Help is awful, Centaurus is awful which leaves the other termas and the escort agencies. I know that Luomo is good. I have not tried the escort agencies as they were closed over the New Year period.

Guys contemplating their first trip should not have high expectations of the place. You should just go and appreciate everything that Rio has to offer and not just go for the girls. If you come here with very high expectations you may well be disappointed. As always, it is all in the eye of the beholder; my 7 could be your 2 and my 2 could be your 7. Do go to Help and see it for yourself. Maybe you hit it on a good day and find it good. I have just given my personal impressions.

I get PMs from guys requesting names and contact details of girls. My personal policy is no names and no photos. Even if I gave out names, there is no guarantee that you will have as good an experience. Additionally, I do not have the girls' consent to give out their names. It is better for you to judge for yourself. There is no substitute for personal experience.

I have tried in my posts to give a personal impression of the places I have visited. Others may have quite different impressions of the same places and even have different experiences with the same girls. Some may find my posts useful or interesting, some may not. My posts are nothing more than a personal impression. It is subjective, not objective. There is nothing better than going out there and experiencing it yourself and making your own selection. There is no accounting for taste.

I am not sure if Kid Cisco was referring to me but I am not really a blonde connoisseur. It is only hair colour. My taste is quite varied. I also like the tan and I like Asian girls. Nor am I am a gringo, let alone an arrogant one. I don't look down on the girls. I don't expect them to look up at me.

I tell it like it is. On the days I visited Help, it was filled with trash of many hair colours and skin colours. That is how I saw it. Only a personal impression. That is all it is. I totally agree with Kid Cisco on this - guys, just go out there and see it for yourselves.

El Austriaco
01-04-05, 21:46
Gotta go with Kid Cisco here, though I've also duly noted Saint's disclaimer about "Rio as a sex destination still beats most places [...]". IMHO, it beats pretty much any place I've ever been to in this world. Haven't been to BA, Argentina, though - so I feel utterly unqualified to compare the two. This time, I was in Rio from the end of June through mid-October - winter season, basically. Couldn't see a shortage of talent there - although there weren't a lot of tourists around. Never been to Rio around this time, though.

I also agree with Kid Cisco that, in case you're predominantly looking for blonds, there are certainly better places to go than Rio - while there are some hot ones to be found, it's probably more difficult and time-consuming than in other locations. If that's your primary concern (it isn't mine), Rio shouldn't be very high on your list.

However, if you like a variety of women and, in particular, if you like black/dark/mulata/mixed/"exotic" women, I still think that Rio is hard to beat. IMHO, of course.

Like others have said before, check it all out for yourself - Help, Terraco Atlantico, Meia Pataca, Balcony, the escorta agencies, the different termas -all documented and described here. Unless you're extremely picky or very specific about your type, I can't really imagine you won't find something you'll like.

Come to think of it, the hottest blond I ever saw (anywhere) was in Meia Pataca, of all places. Still kicking myself daily to this day that I never took a picture of her. Dammit. Will post some other pictures, though. I promise.

Plus, Rio has so many other great things beyond girls. So in my book, it's definitely worth a trip once in a lifetime even without factoring in the girls. To paraphrase Jack Daniels.

My two centavos

El Austriaco

JustGotBack
01-05-05, 08:20
JackDaniels, I kind of agree with you. I absolutely agree that Help and Centaurus are not worth it. I never bothered pulling a girl out of Help, but did go there everynight to browse. There was this one girl who worked in front of Help that I'm still kicking myself for not getting and it's been months. Centaurus was an absolute ripoff. Not even worth it. I would have left except it's prepay. But the termas alone are worth it. Luomo is good but 4x4 is great. Cheap and high quality. Sure there are a lot of so so girls but there are a handful of gems. The price was also $40 or so USD when I was there. I went everyday. The girls got used to me and would flock around just to talk even though they knew I would most likely pick someone new.

Ern123
01-05-05, 13:50
Well, just got back from Rio after 4 weeks of fun.

First of all, why do all people talk of the high quality girls in Rio, especially in Help. That is plain bullshit.. I have never in my life seen so many ugly hoes as in front of Help and even inside. Especially in front of help, you have to be really desperate to go with one of them.

Add to that all Americans that overpay the girls. Almost exclusivly black/negro americans pay the girls ridiculous money and the prices go skyhigh. Do you take pride in overpaying the girls, or is it impossible for you to get some when not paying these prices??? You pay the girls more for one pop then the monthly minimum salary in brasil, it's sick.

A researcher with 5 years university education in rio makes 900 reais a month. Thats what a working girl makes in one day in help..

So, stay out of help, it really sucks in many ways. Generally you should try to avoid places where americans go, because the prices will skyrocket.

Spent a week in fortaleza to, much nicer girls and almost no americans so the prices are much lover and the girls are younger and more beatiful.

For mongering I would recommend the call-in services. Very very beatiful pornstar quality girls, good prices and no hustle. This is what the wealthy brasilians prefer and of course they are right. You need to speak some portugese when calling to make yoiur appointment though..

Hm, have to go. But will write something more, Watch out for the police at night. They will stop you, search you, and pull out kokain from your pocket that they planted there.

You can do nothing. They will demand money to let you go. Had to pay 600 reais, but they wanted 2000 at first. One frech guy payed 2000 and two italians payed 2000 euros. It's a really big problem so use taxi after 24:00.

Will write more soon.

Ernie

Saint
01-05-05, 16:06
Damn I am tired. I am having to fly back to Buenos Aires early because it is too damn busy and some local paper wants to interview me so I gotta get back. It will be nice to get back anyway. I miss Buenos Aires. Anyway, yesterday I went to the internet cafe to check my email and I ran into Leo from CH and WSG. A cool guy that I have hooked up with a number of times in BA, Rio and even Miami at his pad. We chatted about how the quality has gone way downhill here. While we were chatting he spots this hottie girl and he calls her over and she gives us her phone number. I was going to call her but I was so busy. Maybe later today before I leave tonight. She was really cute.

I laid on the beach a few hours then headed to Luomo for a massage. The talent was decent but nothing to write home about. I guess it gets old after hitting it so many times. Still, I sessioned. I ran into SF H.omb.re, Bwana and R. I saw this pretty girl from Sao Paulo. She didn´t seem to be super energetic but she had a damn pretty face and I LOVE Paulistas so I quickly gave her my key.

I gotta say that I was so unimpressed. I think this was the first time I got a covered BJ in all my times in Brazil. I literally had to struggle to get her to do BBBJ for like a minute. She is damn cute but I would avoid her. I did most of the work too. Her name is Nubia in the club. Funny that first she told me that she was only 21 then I busted her after she admitted that she had been working in termas 4 years and was really 24. Who the hell knows the truth. A real shame she was a lousy lay and I´d avoid her. The really funny part was when she tried to get me to session with her again. I laughed and told her that I did all the work the first time. Then I told her not to worry that I wouldn´t tell anyone she was bad in bed (so I fibbed a little). She got pissed and grabbed my throat and told me I better not tell anyone she was bad in bed.

She worked in Europe off and on which I found common for many of the hotties. Anyway, I hooked up with this cool guy named T. from the UK so we´ll call him TUK. TUK and I got along really good. He left for a 2 girl session and I went to get a massage and we hooked up and then decided to meet up at Barbarellas.

I gotta say that the talent in Barbarellas has gone downhill but there were still some hotties in there. The talent is head and shoulders above the other clubs, Help and the termas. Yes, it is expensive at 60R to enter (which includes 2 drinks or 1 imported drink and beware because they count Red Bull as an imported drink). Then if you pull a girl out it is another 60R.

Hunterman called my cellphone and wanted to meet me so I invited him to meet TUK and I at Barbarellas. He is a really nice guy. He said he hadn´t been here in years. Barbarellas isn´t the place you come to every night but somewhere you come to treat yourself every once in a while. Like I mentioned, some of the girls are really pretty. I spotted one girl that was a knock out drop dead gorgeous type and I waited too long to snag her. Some cheesy Italian dude pulled her and was dancing with her for a long time. I think she was getting tired of it but I waited and she was still with her.

I saw this girl that was one of the strippers dancing that had a fantastic body with gorgeous natural tits. A blondie from Sao Paulo (I told you I´m a sucker for Paulistas). Anyway, I tipped her a few dollars and told her to come to my table when she was done. TUK loves Asians and called this half Japanese and half Brasilera girl over. She was decent but nothing spectacular but once in a while you just get in one of those moods.

Surprisingly my Portuguese after not being here has really been totally decent and it has helped me alot with the girls. Hunterman spotted this other stripper with HUGE tits that were gorgeous. I hope he got some photos. She first asked for 400R then I think he got her down to 300R then she does this trick of pretending to leave him or something and dancing on stage. She came back with 350R and he bit. She told him her minimum is 300R which I think is about what the minimum most hotties charge. I paid 250R twice here over the years with model quality girls.

The funny thing is that Hunterman´s girl told him that her tits were full of milk since she just had a kid 6 months ago. That would have turned me off since I had a bad milk experience with a girl in Costa Rica and those of you that follow my reports know about my buddy TAD´s experience with milk in Cuba. Oh well. I think he liked it. To each his own.

He left with her and my Paulista came over. Her body was great and her ass was wonderful. Her face wasn´t great but it was hard to see since it´s so damn dark in Barbarellas. You gotta take a good look. I talked to several hotties in here and you wanna know the one thing they all had in common? They all had worked in Europe. My Paulista, TUK´s girl and 3 other girls I talked to. Milan, Malaga, Madrids, Barcelona and Switzerland.

My Paulista was really affectionate and I knew it would be a fantastic session. She was making out with me like crazy in the club. The funny thing was when I asked about price she said, `to be totally honest my normal price is 500R but since you told me you are poor I will do 400R´. I always tell the girls I´m just a poor student in South America studying Spanish. Ha, ha. They don´t buy the act though. Oh well. I laughed and told her that I had to buy books this month and all I had was 300R. She just laughed and said sure why not.

The funny thing is that I ordered a Red Bull and water so that should have been more than my 2 drinks cover charge. The girl got an alcoholic drink but the guy didn´t charge me for her drink. When I walked in they told me that the girl´s drinks are anywhere from 25R on up. He just told me he would charge me for 1 Red Bull and the other drink so I paid 120R to pull her out.

We got to my apartment and she was kinky doing this strip show. The girl can really dance. We showered together and started the festivities in the shower then ended up in bed. Again, I usually don´t post detailed sexual information but I will say that there is something going on this trip because almost all of the girls I have been with have asked me to cum on their tits or their face. Oh well. I´m not complaining. The funny part was when she saw my digital camera she told me to take a picture of my cum all over her tits and stomach to remember her. Ha, ha. What a wild girl. I did take the picture so maybe I will post it on CH. I am not really into taking pictures like that. Call me old fashioned but it was her idea so how could I say no.

She stayed several hours and probably was one of my best sessions in Rio. I should note that every single session I have had with Barbarellas girls has been fantastic. TUK was still at Barbarellas negotiating since his girl asked him for $200 US!!!! I told her she was crazy and started joking around with her telling her that my friend was crazy for her and that sometimes money isn´t everything. Then I told her in Spanish (She spoke spanish),´let´s be honest..you are pretty but not the most beautiful girl in here and my friend still chose you because he really is attracted to you´. She just started laughing almost to say you have some nerve but the look on her face was ...you are absolutely right. I´ve learned a long time ago that humor goes a long way. I think she was going to give in on the price and once TUK emails me I will post a follow up on how much he paid.

Anyway, I ended up paying 420R when you factor in the entrance and exit fee of 120R. Yeah it´s more expensive but it´s all relative. The important thing is having fun which I did. What I really like about Barbarellas is that since it´s expensive it keeps most of the riff raff trash out and the girl to guy ratio is always really good. There aren´t tons of models walking around but the quality is still better than Help and most of the other night time venues.

Back to Buenos Aires and back to work until the next trip. Ciao.

P.S. Paula does have a tattoo of Sylvester above her pussy. It is funny that she kept grabbing me saying that my dick was tweety bird and Sylvester was going to eat tweety bird. The girl is funny. Again, she isn´t the hottest or youngest girl in there. She normally isn´t my type. I prefer slimmer girls with more of an angel face. She is just pure, raw sex. Her younger sister is really pretty and also works in Luomo so check her out. I didn´t have time to see her but my friend did and said she is also wild but not as wild as Paula.

Paula along with the blondie I pulled out of Barbarellas were two of the wildest girls I have ever seen. It is a real turn on when the girls want you to cum all over them like a porno but keep in mind that if they are doing it with me they are probably doing it with every other dude too so make sure they are showering very very well before your session starts.

Also, some more advice is that if you really hit it off with a terma girl just get her phone number and hook up with her after work. Almost every one I had been with offered to spend the night for a fee that was as cheap as a Help girl for a few hours. Granted the girl probably won´t do it with every single dude but if you are a nice guy with them I´m sure they will. It may be a better option than going to Help.

CaptainNemo
01-05-05, 16:26
Add to that all Americans that overpay the girls. Almost exclusivly black/negro americans pay the girls ridiculous money and the prices go skyhigh. Do you take pride in overpaying the girls, or is it impossible for you to get some when not paying these prices??? You pay the girls more for one pop then the monthly minimum salary in brasil, it's sick.

Ernie


Gee, this is a ridiculous statement. Unless you have known how much every monger spends, how can you make such a statement?

Maybe you met one or two guy who overpaid. In my experience, many guys boast how litter they paid.

Saint
01-05-05, 19:50
CaptainNemo,

I totally agree with you. From my vast experience over the years hobbying around the world it has been my experience that most guys are always bragging about the little amount they spent but the girls they saw are horrible. Granted we all have different tastes but there is no way you are going to pay the same for a Mercedes or BMW than you are going to for a Ford Pinto.

The hottest girls will always be able to charge more in places like Help, Barbarellas and all the other places I have been to around the world that weren´t fixed prices. That´s what makes the termas so great. No hassles with price, you go with who you want to go with and you can sample the girls a little (make out, grope, etc) before leaving with her.

I will stand by my statement that for the majority of all guys out there that Rio as a sex scene is still a paradise. The termas will give Rio the edge. However, without the termas I would say that Rio is not above other places. Add in the fact that the city is full of scams for the newbie traveler and the city in many areas can be dicey. I will say that out of 9 trips here I have never experienced any crime and I walk around late at night alone. I could never live here though and each trip I realize more and more how much I like a classy city like Buenos Aires.

I leave in a few hours. It was a good vacation and I hope the quality doesn´t continue to deteriorate here. There are still some gems but you really really really have to look. Guys that don´t speak any Portuguese are at a much bigger disadvantage.

Rio Regular
01-06-05, 02:13
Team mates,

I will be in country from January 17th to the 31st. I will be in SP from the 17th to the 19th then in Rio from the 19th to the 23rd, back to SP from the 23rd to the 27th the finally in Rio from the 27th to the 31st. Will anyone be around for a few good rounds?

RR

Kid Cisco
01-06-05, 16:59
I hate to beat a died horse, but why would someone goes to a place 9 times that is so much of a dump? And full of trashy looking girls I wouldn't! I have better things to do with mine time then to spend 9 hours on a plane and the whole time there spend mine time wishing that I was with some "blonde hottie" in classy Buenos Aires Argentina?

If I had it so good in classy Buenos Aires, Argentina I wouldn't NEVER leave it I know I wouldn't go to a trashy place like Rio (9 TIMES) lol.

That just don't make any sense to me, I to have been around the world I use to work for the airlines a one point in mine life and I flew to just about everywhere for free and I also spend over a decade in the US NAVY and had a chance to live overseas.

And trust me it wouldn't take 9 trips to for me to realize, I didn't like it (Rio) or to realize I had to really really really really look to fine a "hottie blonde"???

Thats just like a guy taking a trip going around the world 9 times and complain about catching only CAT FISH in a certain lake, if you want to catch BASS go to a different lake that have BASS in it.

So, once again guys if you go to Rio ONE time and don't like it DON'T waste your time and $$$ going another 8 MORE times and then complain about it.

Also, I forgot who wrote that black American guys are over paying the girls in Rio thats a joke.

Have you ever thought just because the girls tell you it would be $300.00 for you to take them out of club help and then you see a black guy or other guys taking the same girl doesn't mean he or they paid her $300.00, theres a good chance he or they paid her around $80.00, Maybe she just wanted YOU to get out of her face an leave her alone thats why she told you $300.00 (maybe she could tell you had other issues).

Why and how I know this because I have seen it happen all the time and watch girls laugh behind guys back as they walk away and like I said, I been going to Rio before there was a Club Help.

Take care guys.

PS: And theres nothing wrong if Rio isn't your thing, just don't go there 9 times and then spend a week talking about how bad and trashy it is, just stay on the plane and go somewhere else like classy Buenos Aires and fine you a "hottie blonde" lol

Safadao
01-06-05, 21:16
I personally believe that the quality has drastically dropped and can be attributed to the girls leaving to work in Europe where they can make exuberant amounts of Euro ,which is very strong right now. I live here in Rio and have talked to many of the girls wh ohave worked there and those that cant wait to go. If Bwanna and any other óld head´guys are here I´d love to meet you for a chopp.

Saint
01-06-05, 22:19
Kid Cisco,

As usual you are good for a few laughs. I haven't been to Rio in over a year. When I went the previous times it was mainly 2 years ago and a few times last year. Probably 4 of the times I went it was to visit my girlfriend who I was dating. Still, as I mentioned, Rio as a sex destination is still good with the termas.

I happen to really like the beach and I went there to get some beach time (which I did almost daily this trip) as well. It will probably be a while before I return to Rio. As far as you mentioning the 9 hour flight. Several of the times I went it was only from Buenos Aires which is 3.5 hours and a very easy trip. Several of the times I went it was also to hook up with a few friends who talked me into coming.

I disagree with you saying not to come to Rio if you like a certain type of girl. Rio has just about everything. I happen to not be attracted to black girls which eliminates a huge number of girls in Rio. It's ok. I still usually find what I am looking for.

The fact remains that the quality has gone down in Rio. I am not the only one that is posting about it. I have read several posts on several boards by veteran travelers (granted they aren't all tough guy ex Navy Seals like Kid Cisco) but they all agree that the quality has deteriorated in Rio.

Like I said, it will probably be a while before I go back. It was still a fun trip. As always, I always tell it like it is with my opinions which is worth as much as you paid for it...Nothing...

Vinni100
01-06-05, 23:50
My friend Bill from New Jersey is in Rio right now. He arrived yesterday. I was supposed to join him but work got in the way. Bill is a crazy guy :). Looks like Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones and Brazilians, not knowing the difference call him Mick-a-Jagger.

If any of you see him down there tell him to call Vinni. Also, he hangs at Balcony, Mabs and Professor's.

I will probably head out later this month or in March.

Thanx fello mongers!

Vinni :)

JackDaniels
01-07-05, 00:30
Maybe.

I am not ruling it out. It is still possible to have fun there. I would still contemplate spending New Year in Rio, if I was in South America. Some of the termas are still good and I hear the escort scene is also good. It is indisputable however, that the overall quality has gone down significantly, especially in Help and Centaurus. I have been to Rio a few times. In fact, on my first trip I got together with a regular girl, a non pro, who was a 9. She was absolutely beautiful and charming. I have good memories. I did see many attractive, regular girls at the New Year celebrations in Copa. It would be great to get together with a regular girl. It would be the other end of the spectrum from Help.

Centaurus had been good, in fact, it had been very good previously. I really did not expect it to have changed so much. I always thought that Help wasn't that great but that there was always a few in there that were worth taking. This time, it was not just mediocre but really bad. Most people base their opinion on just these two places and in a sense they were representative of the scene in Rio.

I will go back to Rio, and even visit Help just to see what it is like but I am in no hurry. Right now, I need to focus on my regular life. When the time for recreation and vacation comes up, I will look at the options. Will Rio be one of those options ?

Maybe.

Bimbo Boy
01-07-05, 01:14
I used viprj 3 times, and I was disappointed everytime. The girls are never like in the photos, it's bait and switch. I suspect that they use photos of american models, but what comes at the door is not what you ordered.

The first girl was cold. The second was old, and the third girl was the same girl than the first time !

Forget about viprj !

Regards.


Ira check out www.viprj.com.br they have higher end escorts especially their VIP selection. Of course the cost will be higher end also as you can imagine but they boast that they are real models working in real model jobs looking to supplement their income. I have met several of these girls and they have all been real nice outstanding nice girls. I read about some other escort services and the guys say that the service was good and she was pretty enough. These girls are more than pretty enough but you won't get them for 100 reais like Karla escort for example, you will have to cough up the dough for these garotas. Im not trying to put Karla escort service down in any way as it represents an excellent value but VIPRJ just provides a different level. You asked and this is just my opinion. Also if you like the big blond type from the south of Brasil check out this one: WWW.BIARIOSP.COM

Cachorro
01-07-05, 08:53
I agree with Moondog. New Year's is an unusual time, so you can't read too much into it.

It's pretty well understood though, that New Year's until Carnaval is going to be more expensive in Rio, and many more gringos in town.

It makes sense that the very hottest girls are not in Help every night at New Year's. If the girl's not taking time off, then some monger will see them at Help and pay a premium to take them out of circulation for a few days. Every guy can see the odds are tough.

I also think there's no way you're going to find hot women at the New Year's eve celebrations in Copa. Brazilians with a bit of "class" (your words Saint) will warn you away from any free street party, and they won't go themselves. Any party with the povao, they are just not interested and the hassle of dealing with drunk men is too great. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it is.

California Guy
01-07-05, 10:21
I haven't been before but reading on the messages it sounds bunk! I mean if there are thousands of more white guys driving up rates and most of the hot ones aren't even in the country, then I don't understand the point? Obviously I am not all about this but I would love to bang some Brazilian beauties since I would be there.

Hey it is cool but I am just questioning if I should even go before Carnival.

Young & Restless
01-07-05, 13:38
The chic from Help left at 6am and I had to get a few more hours of sleep. Once I woke up and got packed, I had to call the Carioca girl one last time. This girl has no idea how beautiful she is. When I called her she was at work and was so happy to hear my voice. She kept asking me to come to her job and tell her goodbye in person before we left, but it was too far out of the way from where we were going to. We kept talking for about 20 more minutes, but I had to end the conversation abruptly because we had to check out in about ten minutes. I really wish that I would have went out with her on Day 5 like I had intended to, but there’s not too much that I can do about it now.

Up to this point, we had not done any tourist things. No Corcavado, no Sugar Loaf, nothing. So yesterday I asked the doorman at our hotel if he could recommend a driver that would be interested in driving us around for basically the entire day. He walked me over to a guy that drives for the hotel located on the left of the Marriott. This guy’s name was Eddy and spoke very good English. Once we told him where all we wanted to go he offered us a flat rate. He was going to drive us around to wherever we wanted to go and take us to the airport for R$ 180 (R$ 90 per person). He said that he would pick us up at 11am. So we would be paying him ~R$ 26 per hour, split that between two people and that comes out to about five dollars an hour per person. This guy was friendly, had a nice car and was trustable. I would recommend him to anyone that may need a driver for an extended period of time. PM me if you want his cell number.

He was waiting for us at the agreed time and we headed for Corcovado. Once we turned off of Av. Atlantica, I started looking for Corcovado and once I could see it, I wished that I couldn’t have. I went up to the top on a cloudy day in the past, but nothing like this. You could not even see a piece of the statue. I asked Eddy if we should even bother going there, but he said that we would be able to see it better once we got to the top, so we continued on our way there.

I keep forgetting how long of a drive it is to the top of this mountain. Just getting to the base of the mountain takes 20-25 minutes depending on traffic and it takes every bit of the same amount of time to get to the top.

Once we got to the top I was in disbelief, because I still could not see the statue. It did not get any better and once we got in front of the statue the irony of this whole situation got the best of me and I started laughing so hard that I had tears running down my eyes. It really was not a big deal to me because I have been up to the top of Corcovado on postcard quality days, but to think that so many of these people had traveled from all over the world (not to mention the 50-minute taxi drive) with the Christ statue being one of the highlights of their trip and this is what they got. It really was awful, because not only were the clouds so thick and there was a constant drizzle, but the sun was so bright through the clouds that you could not look at the statue for more than two seconds without burning your eyes. You could only see a vague silhouette of Cristo through the fog and instead of looking like a statue, under these conditions it looked much more like the real thing. Luckily, after about 15-minutes the clouds went away and we could see it perfectly for about ten minutes.

After we left there, we went to eat at my favorite churrascaria (~ Brazilian barbeque) in Rio, Porcão. This is one of my favorite restaurants in Rio. They bring every type of meat imaginable to your table (steak, ribs, pork, chicken, lamb, sausage, etc.) and it’s all you can eat and it’s all delicious. We had to wait at the bar for about 20-minutes before being seating, but they had tons of free food that you could eat while you waited at the bar. The service there is excellent too. While we were waiting at the bar, a girl that worked there asked me if there was anything special that we wanted while we waited and I requested anything made with shrimp. In just a few minutes she brought back a basket filled with grilled shrimp and a special dipping sauce (Milanesa?). It was excellent and complementary. After we finished our table was ready. This place is incredible and less than half the price of the churrascaria (Fogo de Chão) that’s located in the area where I live. Don’t go to Rio without eating here at least one time. There are several Porcão in Rio, but make sure you go to this one, because you have an awesome view of the Guanabara Bay and the mountains behind it:

Porcão Rio's (R$ 49,90)
Av. Infante Dom Henrique, s/número – Aterro do Flamengo
Tel: 3461-9020; http://www.porcao.com.br/
Sunday - Thursday 11:30 am to Midnight; Fri/Sat 11:30 am to 1am

Eddy was waiting outside for us after we finished and even though I was feeling a little sluggish after eating all of that food, our next stop … Luomo.

You will definitely realize that you are not in Kansas anymore when you go to this place for the first time, because it is located on the second level of a shopping mall. I want to say that it’s just one block behind Av. Atlantica (maybe two), but once you get there you do not have to worry about finding this place. Once you get inside, anyone will be able to point you in the right direction until you eventually see the entrance with a neon sign facing the street. Before I go in, I always have to look over the edge at the street for a few seconds and just realize how lucky I am to be there (damn, I miss Rio). I had more than a few seconds to do it on this occasion, because we got there about 10-minutes before they opened. Once inside, we got our keys and went into the boite.

This is a smaller terma, but has some hot women waiting inside. There were probably ten or so girls in the boite when we got there. I told Corey on the way to Luomo that we only had enough time for one drink and had to make our decisions by the time we finished it (we had to go back to the hotel to get our luggage and go to the airport from there). We set down and spotted two hot blond chics. Once they saw that we were interested, they came and sat with us. I explained to both of them that we were going to have to leave a lot sooner than we really wanted to, but we went ahead and bought them each a drink while they were sitting with us. After we gulped them down we headed for our rooms.

The girl’s name that I took was Paula. She's been a discussion topic in the Rio forum over the past couple of days, but I’m going to write about her here to complete my report. She's probably in her mid-later 20’s, really long bottled blond hair, dark brown eyes, had one tattoo right above her left leg and another one right above her shaved pussy (thanks to other WSG members, I found out that it was a tattoo of Sylvester. I glanced at it, but it was a little too dark to make out). Best of all she is a total nympho in the sack.

Once we were in the room, she did not waste any time. She started things off with a hellacious BBBJ. She was aggressive enough to where one might think that she had been deprived of tube steak for over year. I don’t want to get too graphic, but she was not afraid to say or do whatever she wanted to. During the BJ session she kept telling me how much she liked my “captain” and kept looking at it like it was hers and not mine while she was jerking me off. We switched to her on top. It took some creative willpower for me to hold back, but I did and we must have changed positions 3 or 4 more times. Once she could tell that I was almost there, she stopped and took my condom off and started again w/ a BBBJ. Her energy level was off the hook! Once I was getting close, she made me stop again, laid down in front of me and told me to cum on her. I could not believe she wanted me to do that, but who am I to not to fulfill a request like that.

After it was all over, I took a shower and we were running late so we had to haul balls out of there. On our way out, we were in awe at all of the hot girls that just seemed to be pouring in. I really hated to leave! The price was not bad at all. I want to say that it was about R$ 220.

”Luomo”
Rua Siqueira Campos, 143/ 15 - 2nd Floor
Copacabana District - Mon-Fri 4pm - 2am
Saturday/Sunday 4PM – Midnight
Te: (55 21) 2549-4113
http://www.luomo.com.br/english/eindex.htm

Eddy was waiting for us on the outside of Luomo and took us to the hotel so we could get are stuff and head to the airport. Damn, I REALLY hate this part of the trip!!

Tchau Rio!!!

This was definitely a fun trip. I had some new experiences (some good, some bad) in Rio that I will never forget.

I know this report used up all kinds of bandwidth, but the detailed reports that I read before going to Rio for the first time were such a tremendous help to me. I knew everywhere that I wanted to go as soon as I got there and as I said in the beginning, I wanted to put back into what I had gotten from the WSG Forum.

Just a few final thoughts:

The p4p scene…

Termas

Personally my favorite option here is the termas. This is about the best all around deal when in comes to p4p in Rio. The prices are already set and you are guaranteed to be able to find at least one girl that really turns you on. Depending on which one you go to, the quality of the girls in the termas will easily blow away the ones from Help and you don’t have to worry about them picking your pockets. For any travelers that may feel a little wobbly about coming to Rio, you could very easily do whatever you want during the daytime and then go to the termas at night. Your chances of encountering problems would be slim to none. You shouldn’t have any problems in Rio anyway, but in case that is something that has kept you from going, now you have a way around it.

Here is how I rate the termas that I have been to:

Centaurus:

Pros…
- Best looking girls in Rio (IMHO)
- Incredible selection
- Very nice rooms
- Big boite area (room where you set down and visit with the girls)
- Easy to get to from Copacabana or Ipanema

Cons…
- The most expensive terma in Rio
- The price set-up (pay upon entry)
- Somewhat of a business environment (not to be mistken w/ HP sales)
- Overstocked (so many gorgeous girls, you waste so much time trying to decide)


Luomo:

Pros…
- Very hot girls
- Excellent selection (per capita)
- Very relaxed environment
- Cheaper prices
- Very convenient location

Cons…
- Extremely small boite
- Very compact rooms


Solarium:

Pros…
- Very hot looking girls
- Very good selection
- Moderate prices
- Very nice establishment and facilities
- Open on Sundays and Holidays

Cons…
- Location (~20 minutes from Copa)
- Boite layout (too many blind spots)
- Long wait for a pimp daddy room


Monte Carlo (from previous trip)

Pros…
- Mega convenient location
- Very good prices
- Laid back atmosphere
- Sweet girls

Cons…
- Mediocre selection of girls
- Teeny regular rooms


Help Disco…

The most controversial spot in Rio… I have been here many times and can tell you that there are plenty of skanks in here, but you can find some good looking girls here too. Despite what so many people say, you can definitely go to Help and have a great time. I usually go to Help for one of two reasons:

Reason #1 Just to look and have a few drinks…

Reason #2 It’s too late to go anywhere else…

I don’t think that I would ever go to Rio without going to Help at least one time. Even just to go for the sake of nostalgia, if nothing else. This place may inadvertently make you think that you are more of a ladies man than you really are, because the set-up in this club is the exact opposite of the ones that you are used to in your own country. The hunter is now the hunted. While you are in Help, the girls are the ones that approach you and smile at you to try to get you to pick them up. The role reversal is cool, but just don’t let it go too far to your head. While you are there it may be tricky to decipher fact from fiction, but just remember that this is all part of a game that has been being played for a long time.

If you go just too look, you will probably make out a lot better than you would if you went there to pick up a girl. If you see a hot chic there you might just say hi, but you won’t be so eager to overpay her and if she doesn’t take the bait… oh well, you were just there to look.


Barbarrela

I have mixed feelings about this place. I’ve been a couple of times and have noticed the same thing each time. There is usually a handful of some of the hottest girls that you could possibly imagine. Some of the finest girls that I have seen in Barbarrela were way finer than the best looking girls at any of the termas that I’ve been to.

On the flip side of the coin, the girl to guy ratio in this place is not even close to being like it is in one of the better termas. To make matters worse, this place has more than it’s fair share of uglies too. The ratio of supermodel fine girls in this place versus below average chics is not even fair.

If you don’t mind parting with a decent amount of cash, I would say come to this place early on in the night and try to make an offer to one of the beauties in there. I assure you that you will see at least a few girls in here that will make your jaw drop.

Personally, I think that the termas are much better “balanced” than places like Barbarrela and Help, because the hot girls are all over the place and you just need to look for one that has the right appeal for you.

Still you should definitely check this place out, because the hot chics at Barbarrela are just unbelievable.


Non-pro scene…

There really is not too much specific advice that I can offer here as far as exactly where to go and things like that, but I can recommend a few things.

Go somewhere away from Copacabana. I consider myself lucky to have hooked-up with two girls (the Paulista and the Carioca) on this trip that were non-pro. I met one in Leblon and the other in Barra da Tijuca. Was it just a coincidence that I did not meet either of them in Copacabana? I don’t think so. Just to see their reactions, I asked each one of them (separately of course) if they wanted to go to the beach with me on whatever day. As expected, they both said yes. When I asked them if we could just go to the Copacabana, both of them pretty much had the same reaction. The Carioca girl just smiled and said “Nãoooo” followed by a little laughter under her breath and the Paulista said, “What? Are you kidding me?!?” Point being that Copa is not the most popular place for the non-pros to hang out at. I would just make normal plans to eat or find something else to do outside of Copa and try your best to keep the drool from falling out your mouth when you see girl that you want to talk to.

This second bit of advice is by far the best that I can offer… Learn as much Portuguese as possible. I don’t care for how short or long of a time that you will be there. Eat, sleep, shit and breathe Portuguese before you go on your trip. There are too many benefits to mention. Most of the non-pro girls will speak little to no English, so if you don’t know any Portuguese you can’t even get your foot in the door. That’s only one advantage. At places like Help for example, you can bargain with the girls, make sure that they will agree to what ever services that you are interested in and kind of get a feel for their personality. I could go on and on. Just learn as much as possible before you go and you will be so glad that you did.

Well gents, that’s it for me. Take care, good luck and have fun in Rio!

Y & R

Young & Restless
01-07-05, 13:40
Little did I know that this morning would be my last moment of fun with the Paulista. After we finished, I told her that we were going to eat lunch at Cervantes and invited her to come with us. Before we went to bed last night I explained to the Paulista that tonight was going to be my last night in Rio and Corey and I were going to go to a bar later. She asked if she could come too, but I told her to come back to the hotel after 10pm and we could all go do something then.

The weather was nice, unlike most of the other days so we decided to walk to Cervantes. So far, things were going a 100x’s better today than they were yesterday. I was really enjoying the walk until we got about one or two blocks away from Cervantes.

We proceeded to cross the street when all of a sudden some nasty old crack head lady ran up to us and started acting like a freak. In one hand she had this gross looking bottle of old beer and in the other hand she had about two or three reis. We just kept walking, but this lady kept begging the Paulista. Finally, I took her the Paulista’s arm and brought her to my other side. The last thing I heard her say was, “I’m handling this!” As soon as she said that, everything went into slow motion. My head slowly turned away from the Paulista and back to the old lady. Once this nasty old crack head had clean shot at my face, she stuck her fingers up my nose!!

It was so disgusting, because the smell of her fingers was beyond rancid. I can’t really think about it too much more or I will throw up, but the smell was like she had been playing with herself all day and had not bathed all month.

After she took her fingers out of my nose, she raised her hand in the air and acted like she was going to collapse on the street. While all of this was going on I looked up to find my good buddy Corey standing safely across the street watching from a spectator’s distance. I told him later that at the next sign of any problem it would be everyman for himself. My main concern would be my own safety and to find the quickest way possible to get myself out of whatever the situation might be… Not that he could have really done anything to help here, but it was like he was in a race with Carl Lewis to get across the street.

Meanwhile, the Paulista and I kept walking across the street and she had a damn good idea. She said walk fast into that drug store, they will not let her inside there. The store employees must have been watching the whole time because they had about three employees standing at the store entrance. It reminded me of that part in The Saint where Elisabeth Shue was running to the American Embassy. Once we got inside of the store, I turned around to see what this lady was doing and she was standing in the middle of the street with her shirt lifted over her head showing off a pair of down right nasty toe-pointers. I felt sorry for the people walking by, but sorrier for myself because I was on my way to lunch, plus I was beginning to wonder if I would ever be able to get wood again after seeing that site.

Once we were inside the Paulista said that if the old lady would not leave, the store would call the police and they would beat the shit out of her for sure. She did not deserve anything like that; I just wanted her to get the hell away. I asked where the restroom was and the store manager pointed over to it. I went inside and what do you know… no soap in the dispenser. Wonderful. I went inside the ladies restroom and he was kind of making a big deal about it, but that was not going to stop me. I shoved so much liquid soap up my nose it almost made me choke. When he saw what I was doing he left and came back with an alcohol pad. That was just what the doctor ordered. Although it burned like a motherfucker, I pushed it so far back into my nose I could damn near feel my throat.

While we were at Cervantes, conversation switched from the clubs last night to what just happened with that strung out lady. The Paulista told me that after that lady pulled her fingers out of my nose, she was trying to do macumba on me while she had her hands in the air and was lowering herself to the ground. I asked her what in the hell is macumba and she said that it meant voodoo in English. I’m not into hokey things like that, but she started telling us some other second hand stories about people who had some pretty bizarre experiences with macumba or voodoo. I’ll admit some of her stories where pretty freaky, but I was way more concerned with catching tuberculosis from that lady or something else like that rather than having a spell caste upon me.

We left Cervantes and decided to walk back to the hotel. Everything was cool until we got back on Av. Atlantica and some guy was trying to sell us a watch that was obviously stolen. We told him no a few times and he keeps trying to sell this thing to us, finally the Paulista tells him in Portuguese that we don’t want the watch and to stop asking us if we want it. The guy got pissed-off and now he drops back a few steps behind us and is following us. There was nothing intimidating about this guy, but the Paulista kept saying that he could have a knife.

We were approaching a sidewalk café and I asked Corey and the Paulista if they wanted to go inside and have a beer and see if the guy would leave. Once we got inside, we all sat down and this guy is like standing right at the entrance. I thought it was funny, because there were no doors or anything, but there was like an invisible barrier that this guy would not cross. He just stood there looking inside. After a few minutes, the Paulista got up from the table and starts talking to the manager (?) and some of the restaurant staff. As soon as I noticed that she was talking to all of those people, I also noticed that the guy had disappeared. Personally, I thought things were blown just a little too far out of proportion, but she was nervous and drinking a cold beer sounded pretty good to me.

Once she realized that the guy had left, she came back to the table and said let’s leave. We were still waiting on our beers, but she said, “Please let’s just leave now and you can drink a beer back at the hotel”… jeez.

We got back to the hotel and she got her things from my room and said that she would be back at 10pm. Corey and I drank two beers at the bar and headed to Centaurus. We got there at 6:30 or so and the place was packed. The girls were gorgeous, but the guy-to-girl ratio was noticeably higher than the other times that I had been there. There were three girls that I had my eye on and the girl that sat down with me was not one of them, but she would not take the hint. Finally, I saw one of the 3 girls that I had been watching and she was standing alone near the dancing area. She was not my first pick of the three, but was still hot. She was about 5’7”, bottled blond hair, had a smokin’ ass and was wearing a pink bikini. I just got up and walked over to her and asked if she wanted to go upstairs. She said yes, but had to go check on room availability. She said it would be about 20-30 minutes before a room would be available… Damn!! First time this has ever happened to me in Centaurus. I was tired of all the smoke in the Boite, so I told her that I wanted to wait in the relax room. The girl that was sitting with me in the Boite saw us sitting together in the relax room and gave me a major go to hell look (sorry babe). After about 15-minutes a room was available. This girl was such a giver. Gave an unforgettable bbbj and worked it on top. This was one of the few times that I finished in less than half of the allowed time. We went at it again, but I was pretty much out of steam to be able to finish. The girl gets a big “E” for effort though.

I met Corey back in the boite and went back to the locker room to change. I forgot to mention on our previous visit to Centaurus, I got a phone number from a really sexy chic and she quoted me a good price for all night. I can’t remember exactly what it was, but it was along the same lines of a girl from Help. By the time we got to the locker room that day, I had sort of forgotten about her giving me her number. Once I did remember it, the lady in the locker room had already taken my robe so I went to her basket and felt inside the pockets of the top two or three robes. She obviously knew what I was looking for and started taking out all of the robes and was checking the pockets. I told her not to worry about it, but you could tell that she felt like it was her fault. Well, on this night while we were in the locker room on our way out, she comes up to me and hands me about three phone numbers that were all written down on little scraps of paper… without names! LOL!! It was a nice gesture, but I never called any of them.

We left Centaurus and went back to the hotel. It was about 10:15 and there was no sign of the Paulista, so we went upstairs to the bar and got a table overlooking the lobby. After about 10-minutes I saw her walk in and I went to meet her downstairs. Corey said he was going up to his room to change and would call my room when he was ready.

I was totally surprised when I saw the Paulista, because standing behind her were three guys that I had never seen before. She introduced these guys to me and said that she met them after she left earlier and invited them to go out with us tonight, because it was there first time/night in Rio and they didn’t know anyone or where to go. I can sympathize with these guys, but I did not know them and already had too many unpleasant run-ins on this trip. Quite honestly, I was a little offended that she did not even ask me if those guys could hangout with us. I’m now in a quandary, because now all eyes are on me and there is a little uncomfortable silence in the air.

I asked them if they could wait a few minutes while I talk to the Paulista in my room. We got up to my room and I called Corey and told him the news. He said that he would take a rain check and was going to call a girl from a few days ago to come stay with him. At this point, there was no doubt that I would not be going with the Paulista. I told her that I was too tired to do anything else that night. She became furious and gave me a cussing that my ears are still burning from. I never heard from her again on the trip, but I really did not feel like I was to blame for what happened. For her to cuss me out was really going too far, but no girl from Sao Paulo could ever be cool (j/k)…

After the Paulista stormed out of my room, I picked up the phone and called the Carioca girl. She said that she had already made plans with her friend, but told me to call back in 30-minutes and she would tell me if she could still come. I told Corey everything that was going on and he told me that his girl was on her way to the hotel. I told him that if the Carioca girl does come to the hotel, he cannot answer his phone or his door for any reason.

I called the Carioca girl back and she said that her friend wanted to know if Corey was at the hotel (I saw that one coming). I told her that he went out with some other friends and I had no idea when he would be back. She basically said that if Corey was at the hotel, both she and her friend would come together, but she did not want to sell out her friend since they made plans already.

It’s amazing how the tables can turn in so little time. Earlier that day, I thought I was set and now I had to start from scratch. Oh well… what better place to be in that position than Rio…

At this time it was a little too late to go to a terma, so I was debating on going to Help or Barbarella. Ultimately, the higher prices, extra fees and whiskey kept me away from Barbarella, so Help it was.

I really was not dead set on bringing back a chic, because it had only been a few hours since I was at Centaurus, so that made it easier for me to be picky. I bought a six-pack worth of beer tickets and found me a spot on the corner of the island bar, kicked back and watched the show. I was approached by a few girls that I would have been embarrassed to bring back to my hotel. I have found that the best way to make them leave is to avoid speaking any Portuguese with them and just act totally confused anytime they say something to you. They’ll leave after a few seconds. One girl came up to me and she did not look at all Brazilian, turned out she was from Argentina. Talking with her was a little difficult, because her Portuguese was not very good and she could not understand my Spanish. I would have taken this girl back to my hotel just to see how an Argentina rates against a Brasilera in the sack, but her body was not quite good enough. A little while later, some girl walked in front of me and stuck her tongue out. I asked her if I knew her and she leaned towards me and said, “Barbarella”. Sure enough, it was the girl that quoted me R$ 350 a few nights earlier and now she was in Help. Does anyone know how it works at Barbarella? I guess they can just come and go as they please.

I was probably on beer #4 and I saw a really hot chica dancing a few feet in front of me. She had unbelievable tits, a great ass and one of those Brazilian smiles that nearly melt you. Every few seconds she would look at me and smile, so finally I got her to come over. She started out at $350, but I talked her down to $280. I could not believe it when she said R$ 285, I counter offered with R$ 275 and she then said R$ 280. She just had to have 5 more reis! Anyway, I told her to let me think about it and in a flash; she was gone with someone else.

Now it was getting late and I started to think about calling it a night, until I looked up and saw this extremely sexy chic dancing in the exact same spot that the previous girl was dancing in. She did not have the tits of the other girl, but made up for it with a perfect butt, beautiful smile and some really nice European features. She would look at me every now and then, but did not make too much eye contact. I watch for a few minutes and some guy that was few years younger than me walked up behind her and started grinding with her. I started to write this off as another missed opportunity, because he was younger than me (technically I’m under thirty, but he was for sure closer to her age than me) and he looked like the jock type. To my surprise, not more than a few seconds after he started dancing behind her, she stop what she was doing, walked about 5 feet behind him and started dancing again. Damn! She dissed that dude! Before the end of the song, another guy of the same description got in front of her and started trying to grind. No sooner did he start, before she just walked up to the bar and stood next to me waiting to order a drink. It was clearly time to go into Portuguese mode.

I offered her one of my beer tickets to get whatever she wanted to drink and she accepted. After we introduced ourselves to each other, one of my first questions to her was why did she brush off those other two guys earlier. She said that she was not into guys their age. Sounded good to me… I then invited her back to my hotel and she accepted. My next question was the price. She quoted me R$ 250 right off the bat and despite my cardinal rule, I did not counter offer. It was late, she was hot and she said that she would stay until 6am, so R$ 250 sounded ok to me.

We got back to the hotel and undressed. One thing that I liked a lot about this girl was that she was a good kisser. I don’t kiss every girl that I hook-up with in Rio, but some of the ones that I have kissed go way to far with the DFK to where it is almost a turn off. She kissed perfect though, soft and not too wet. After a few minutes, the moment of truth had come… Would it be CBJ or BBBJ? She asked me for a condom and although it took a few minutes of convincing, I got her to do it without one. She gave an above average BBBJ, but the worlds best CBJ can’t even compete with just an average BBBJ. We went at it in lots of different positions. Just by looking at this girl, one might think that she may be a prude in the sack. Not at all the case here. After about an hour and a half with no breaks, I was done and I barely had enough energy to get up and take the condom off. If this was not my last night in Rio, I would definitely hook-up with this chic again.

Young & Restless
01-07-05, 13:41
Today was going to be a difficult day, because I had already made up my mind that I was going to take the Carioca up on her offer to go do something tonight. I was also getting tired of having to make up excuses to the Paulista & Carioca as to why I could not do anything on whichever night. If I were going to be in Rio for 2-weeks or even 10-days, I could have kept going out with both of these girls, but 7-days was not enough time for me.

I was starting to like the Carioca girl more than the Paulista, because she was much sweeter and easy going. She did not speak English, where as the Paulista spoke it perfectly. There are some major pros and cons with having a girl that does or does not speak English. If I had a choice, I would prefer that the girl not speak very much English. That may sound crazy to some of you, but that’s just my preference.

I decided on this day when the Paulista came back to the hotel, I was going to tell her that I was going out on a date with another girl that I had met earlier on in the trip. Was this a mistake? Yes it most definitely was, but at the time that is what my gut told me to do.

At this point, I am feeling kind of shitty and could not believe that I was actually having a conversation like this while I was on vacation in Rio. We sat down at one at one of the kiosk and I explained to her what was going on. I was really expecting her to just tell me that I was no good, not really her type anyway, blah blah blah… but instead she got a little emotional. This days was going so shitty…

I wanted to leave the kiosk, so I asked her if she wanted to go for a walk. I felt bad because I had been spending a lot of time with this girl and had a good time with her. We walked about three blocks back behind the Marriott on Av. Atlantica and from there, almost all of the way to the end of Copacabana in the direction of Barbarella. I saw plenty of shady characters during this little stroll and at one point had to laugh at something the Paulista said. It was obvious that we were a little ways off the beaten path and I was getting some hard stares from several people that we were passing. We were coming upon a group of about 5 or 6 guys just standing around watching everyone walking by them. As we approached them the Paulista said quietly to just keep walking past these guys, because they may be trouble. No sooner did we pass them up and she turned around and said, “I see what it is now. They’re not trouble… they’re gay”. The way she said it was really funny.

My advice in situations where you are getting unwanted looks from people while you’re just walking around Rio or whatever, is to look these guys right in their eyes and let them see that they do not intimidate you. You don’t have to look at them like you are challenging them to a fight, but be sure that they can see that you are not nervous or intimidated. Don’t just walk past them like you have tunnel vision and pretend they are not there. I know this pretty basic advice, but it has been effective for me.

Anyway, at sometime during this long and sweaty walk with the Paulista, she must have pulled an old Jedi mind trick on me. Not only had I changed my mind about going out with the Carioca girl that night, I also offered to take the Paulista to go eat at the Outback (she hinted at going to eat there the day before). This could not have been any more opposite of my intentions at the beginning of the day.

We went back to the hotel so she could shower and I called the Carioca girl to let her know that I had made other plans for the night. She asked what they were and I could only think of telling her that we were planning on having a guy’s night out. Very lame excuse, but that’s the only thing I could think of to say.

Corey was shocked when I told him how my day went and what my dinner plans were, so he said he was going to arrange for some company.

We got to the Outback and I was suddenly reminded of home. They gave us one of those pagers to hold on to until a table was available. We sat down at a big table next to the bar with other people that were waiting. Next to us were two Brazilian businessmen that started a conversation. After about ten minutes they traded pagers with us and let us have their table. They seemed pretty cool. Once our table was ready they both handed the Paulista their business cards. I never said anything about it, but once we were seated the Paulista pulled out their cards and tore them up. She said that the guys were trying to flirt with her and I felt like they were too, but to me they both looked kind of goofy so it wasn’t a big deal. I grabbed the torn cards and jokingly told her that I was going to return them to the guys. She quickly grabbed my arm and said that would cause problems. Sometimes I’m taken way too seriously… jeez.

This dinner and the rest of my time with this girl was really a lot of fun. Throughout my time with her, she would always answer any questions that I wanted ask about Brazil. This girl was very direct and she never offered me any candy-coated response to my questions. The only thing that annoyed me was that so many times she would allude to discussing politics. Personally I would rather jack-off with a handful of kosher salt than discuss politics in a foreign country.

We finished at the restaurant and another thing about this girl that I appreciated was that she would always pull out her purse and take out money to pay for her own food and taxis. I would never dream of letting her do that. Finally I asked her to stop and explained to her that where I am from it is normal etiquette for the guy to pay for these things. Still, I appreciated the gesture.

We went back to the hotel and as soon as I closed the door my phone was ringing. It was Guilherme calling and he said that we would be leaving to go to the Nuth in 10-minutes. I was ready, but the girl needed to change clothes, put make-up on…women. I told him that we would take a cab there and find them in the club. Corey decided to take off with Guilherme and the other three people that were with them.

Finally, she is ready and we get on our way. I must admit that most of the time that this girl was with me she did not wear make-up, but she did tonight and she was a knockout. This taxi ride on the way to Nuth was one of the worst parts of my entire trips. I had never been to the Nuth before, so I had no idea what to expect, no idea how to get there, nothing. I only knew that it was in Barra da Tijuca and supposed to be the best club to go to in Rio on Wednesday nights.

We had been riding for about 15-minutes or so and all of a sudden the Paulista started talking to the driver and had a confused look on her face. After they stopped talking I saw her crack her window and look up for a second. I noticed that when she looked up, her eyes were watery. I asked her what was going on and she said that everything was ok; she just had something in her eye. I told her to tell me the truth and she said that it really was nothing and everything was going to be fine. In the meantime, we were driving through all kinds of tunnels (just like the one that you go through on your way to your hotel from the airport). When we weren’t driving through a tunnel, it was like we were driving on the dark side of a mountain. Pitch black, no lights, no other traffic, nothing. If I did not know any better, I would say that we were on our way to a favela.

I looked over at the girl and said, “We’re about to get robbed, aren’t we?” She said that she was not sure, but said at this point it was very possible. I asked her if we did get robbed was I looking at just getting my ass kicked and having my money taken. She said for me that would probably be the only thing that would happen, but for her it would definitely be much worse than that. I could not believe what I had gotten myself into. For the first time ever, I felt threatened in Rio and did not know what to do about the situation.

I asked the Paulista if we should tell him to stop his car at the first sign of civilization and find another taxi. She said that it was too late for that. I didn’t think so, but she knows Brazil better than I do so I didn’t push the issue. All kinds of crazy thoughts were going through my head, but I decided to sit back and see where this ride took us. Finally, we start to see the city. Just when I was starting to feel a whole lot better, he pulls into a gas station on Av. Alda Garrido (I think). He said something to the Paulista, popped the hood, got out of the car and called the attendant over to where he was standing. I could not see anything they were doing from the backseat and I felt like they were trying to conspire about something. The Paulista said that she was going to go inside and ask the clerk how far we were from the Nuth.

We both got out of the car and the driver said something to her while we were walking. She told him that we were going inside to by something to drink. The clerk told her that the Nuth was less than 2-minutes away and that was music to my ears.

The driver took us to this shanty looking building that did not look anything like the picture of the club that I saw on the internet. There were lots of people standing outside and I wanted to get out of this cab, so I thought we would sort out the details latter. Turns out that the only reason that this driver pulled into this gas station was so that he could beef-up his fair a little…

While we were standing in line, the Paulista said the reason that she first got upset while we were in the cab was because she asked the driver why he did not turn on the main avenue that everyone uses to go to Barra da Tijuca and he told her that it was not safe at night. She said that she did not believe him because she could tell that he was high on something. I also thought that he looked like he was high when I saw him in good light at the gas station, so her story sounded believable. The important thing was that nothing happened. I still felt edgy though and just wanted to get inside of whatever in the hell club we where at and find the rest our party. Not so much that I wanted to see them so bad, but I did not want to have to deal with this taxi bullshit again to get back to the hotel.

I noticed this line was not moving one bit and I asked the Paulista to find out what was going on. She was talking to everyone at this place. Within 15-minutes I knew that the first 4 people in line were Brazilian, the guy behind them was Portuguese and the most recent arrivals were from Ireland and Australia. I could not have cared less. I asked her what it was going to take to get us inside of this club. She said the staff is telling her that tonight is a private party for only gold members and people on the guest list. This night was starting to suck so bad. I asked her what if I gave the guy at the entrance a R$ 50 “handshake” and she said he would almost for sure let us in. She said not to do that yet, because she was going to get us into this place. I had a R$ 50 ready in case she was unsuccessful. After about 10 more minutes, to my surprise not only did this girl get us into the club, but she also got the two Irish guys and Australian girl inside as well. She was on a roll with her Jedi mind tricks today.

FYI, if you decide to come here be sure to bring a copy of your passport with you. The Paulista said the staff told her that if any of us did not have a copy with us, we would not be allowed inside.

When you first walk inside, they will take your passport copy and register you into their database. Then they will issue you a type of credit card that you will use at the bar to purchase drinks. The Paulista said that the people in the line told her that my entrance fee would be R$ 50 and a portion of this included drinks.

We get inside the club itself and now everything looks familiar. The inside of the Nuth looks exactly like it does on their website. This place was nice once you got inside. There are basically three sections. The first is the lounge area when you first walk in. It has some places where you can sit down and a bar over on the left. The theme of this club is like Tahitian or something like that. There were several Tikki torches, palm trees, bamboo things, etc. The second section is the upstairs area. There is one pool table and restrooms in the back and a restaurant/bar that overlooks the Tikki area. My biggest complaint about this place is the third section. The dance area… This was the smallest of the three sections and had at least 100X’s more people in it then the other two combined. The dance floor was so small that I had to wonder if there was even enough room for my penis (j/k). I’ve been to strip clubs where the main stage was bigger than this dance floor. It was so crowded in this area that you have to walk right through people.

The good things about this club… it was packed with beautiful, hot Brazilian chics. I mean hot. I was told already by Guilherme on my last trip to Rio that there is semi-pro action here, no doubt. He said that on more than one occasion, he has been there, talked to some fine girls, danced and had a few drinks when she asked him for some money. I was looking closely at these girls and there were several of them grouped together in one of the corners of the dance floor that I am almost certain were working. They really had some hot girls in here.

If you can’t speak Portuguese, I would say forget about picking up a chic at this place. Also, leave your Help tactics back at Help. Once inside, you will see what I mean. But if you can speak Portuguese, dance good, dress nice and have some game, your chances of picking up a beautiful chic at this club are a thousand times better than they would be if you saw her at a club in the U.S. The chics here looked more classy and I’ll say it one more time… mega hot!! I was disappointed that I saw almost no Americans here, mostly European guys and Brazilian girls. Go there and represent!!

Nuth Lounge
Av. Armando Lombardi, N° 999
Barra da Tijuca
Rio de Janeiro - RJ - Brasil 22640-020
http://www.nuth.com.br/
email: nuth@nuth.com.br
fax: 011 (55 21) 3153 – 8595

It would be smart to try to do some research in advance to see if they were going to have some kind of bullshit VIP party on the night you go there. I’ve heard that Wednesday’s are the days to go. Don’t do like I did and show up after midnight. If you are a single guy, I think you would stand a much better chance on getting inside if you show up around 9pm. I was told that their entry system is to first allow entry to couples, then single girls (which seem to be based on appearance) and last, but not least… single guys. Maybe get your hotel to send them an email or a fax a few days in advance saying that you are a prestigious guest of their hotel and the hotel has recommended the Nuth to you, because they want you to go somewhere that you will have a good time and be very impressed. You know, some kind of b/s like that. I don’t know if it would really help, but I’m just trying to think of suggestions to get your name on their VIP list if they have one on the night you decide to go.

Meanwhile, I made two rounds in this club, but saw no sign of my friends. This really sucked, because it was becoming more of a reality to me that I was going to have to take another taxi back to the hotel instead of getting a ride back with them.

We stayed here for about 2 ½ hours and during that time I had two beers. My drive for fun had pretty much disappeared once I realized that meus amigos were not here. I was not in the mood to drink or dance, I already had a gorgeous girl that was going back to my hotel with me, my friends weren’t there, it was late and I was tired so I wanted to leave.

We walked up to the cashier booth to turn in our cards. The Paulista starts talking to the cashier and after a few more seconds they start arguing with each other. The Paulista told me the cashier said, “For you (the Paulista) it will be R$ 20 – 30, but for the foreigner it will be R$ 80.” The Paulista said, “I cannot believe that she said that to me exactly like that. It will be R$ 80 for the FOREIGNER.” I told her don’t worry about it, because we are not stupid, we just don’t speak Portuguese. I told her that we all know that they try to rip us off when there is not a posted price, a menu, etc. She was still furious and said that things like this will hurt the tourism in Brazil. It was a good point, but I see it differently. Things like that won’t impact tourism, only the vendor. We’re coming to Brazil come hell or high water.

And now, the moment that I had been dreading once I realized that my friends weren’t there… time to take a taxi back to the hotel. It may seem like I’m making a big deal about this, but the taxis in Rio are really a big rip-off at nighttime and the ride on the way there was still lingering in the back of my mind.

We stood outside and there were about 6-taxis lined up waiting. The Paulista said, “Look at them. Which face do you trust the most?” Truthful answer was none of the above. They all looked like thieves to me. I decided to choose the oldest looking man there.

We didn’t have any problems getting back to the hotel and thankfully there were not any hiccups along the way. Once we were back in the room I called Corey’s room to see why we did not see them at the Nuth and he said that they would not let them in the club. Corey was with two Brazilians and two other Americans; I guess they would not let them in because they already had too many single guys there. They left the Nuth and went to Bombar and Melt, but he said that it was a sausage fest at both places and did not stay long at either one.

I was way too tired to have any fun before I went to sleep, so after I hung up the phone it was lights out. I would have to say that this whole day was at the bottom of my list for having fun on this trip. It was not all bad, but I would have had a much better time if we just would have stayed at the hotel after we got back from the Outback.

Young & Restless
01-07-05, 13:43
The Paulista stayed with me at the hotel. It ended up being a hell of a night and I started the day off perfectly. The only problem was that we had already made plans to go out with the two girls from the day before, so I had to tell the Paulista something. The only thing that I could think of to tell her was that tonight was going to be the guy’s night out. We told the girls to show up at our hotel at 7pm, so I told the Paulista that we were leaving the hotel at 6pm to meet up with the guys again. She was a little confused and disappointed, because the time was so early (and it definitely was), but I told her in Gringoland we do weird stuff like that (I know this sounds lame, but it was the best I could do at the time). She left at 5 and said she would call me the following morning.

Corey and I went to Mab’s for a couple of beers and went back at the hotel a few minutes before the girls were supposed to show up. To my surprise, they were both setting in the lobby waiting for us. Isn’t this sort of thing not ever supposed to happen in Brazil and especially in Rio? I’ve noticed that people hardly ever meet you or call you before the time you both agree. Anyway, I was glad that I told the Paulista to leave a little early. I had to take a quick shower and change clothes. I told Corey to stay with the girls in the lobby and keep them company for a few minutes.

After I finished and went back to the lobby, I started laughing. Once they all saw me walking towards them, Corey and the girls were ecstatic to me see me. Neither of the girls spoke any English and Corey’s Portuguese is still limited to ‘obrigado’, so their conversation was challenged to say the least.

They asked where we wanted to go and I suggested Rio Sol, because Corey wanted to buy some clothes while we were in Rio. If you’ve never been, Rio Sol is one of the biggest shopping malls in Rio and there is eye candy galore. This place is definitely worth checking out. There are so many hot girls shopping there and they have tons of nice stores and restaurants. I can’t tell you much about meeting girls from there because I’ve never tried, but you’ll be impressed even if you go and just check it out.

The girls said that Rio Sol sounded fine and plus that would let me see if they were going to try to get us to buy them stuff. One thing that I’ve been told by my Brazilian friends and it makes perfect sense, is that if you bring a girl to a mall and she starts picking out all kinds of things for you to buy her… get rid of her. They said that the girls bring the things back to mall and exchange them for cash when you are not with them. I totally believe this, because after they told me that I remembered when I brought a girl there and she picked out a few things. Before we left, I thought it was strange that the salesman gave her a store business card with his name written on it. After my friends told me that, I knew exactly why he did it. It was so that she could bring the things back to him for a refund on a later date. So sneaky… I could be totally wrong for saying this, but it is very hard for me to trust anyone in Rio. My suggestion is to never give anyone the benefit of the doubt, no matter how nice or honest they come across to you.

Anyway, on the way to Rio Sol Corey brought his disposable camera with him with the intent to destroy it in front of the girls. They both kept asking about it since that night at Nosso Hotel and he said that he didn’t mind breaking it if they would stop asking for it. I had to laugh a little, because he let out a loud yell in the taxi when he pulled the film cartridge out. He said it shocked the living shit out of him. Everyone except him had a good laugh from that one. Once we got to Rio Sol, we walked in front of a restaurant that had draft beer. I told them that I was going to get one to drink while we walked around, but they wanted to set down at a table. Everyone ordered a beer, except for the girl with me. She said that she had to be at work very early the next morning and had to end the night around 11 or 11:30. I was surprised and disappointed when she said that because I thought that they were going to stay with us at the hotel. I asked her why she could not stay at the hotel and just go straight to work from there. She said that she did not bring a toothbrush or anything else with her to get ready for work in the morning. I told her that I had an extra one that she could have and that I would buy her some clothes for tomorrow while we were at the mall. She then said that she has to wear a smock at her job, so… I gave up at that point.

I told them that I wanted to go back to the hotel so we could visit (wink, wink), since the night was going to end much earlier than I thought it was going to. They both said that they wanted to stay at Rio Sol, so Corey could pick out some clothes. I told them if they wanted to stay that was fine, but I was going back to the hotel. After a few seconds, they wanted to go back to the hotel.

I know it wasn’t cool for me to be like that, but my trips to Rio are always so short and I didn’t want to waste time on shopping once I realized what our time constraints were.

We got back to the hotel and I could not figure out what was going on. The girls did not want to go inside the hotel and they would not tell me why. Eventually, my friend that works at the hotel asked how everything was going and I asked him to ask the girls what the problem was. They agreed to tell him, but asked me to walk away. This was insane.

Finally, he walks up to me and said that the reason they do not want to go inside is because the taxi driver told them that we were going to try to have an orgy with them. I was furious. I started looking for the taxi driver so I could confront him about this, but he was already gone.

I told him to tell them that was crazy and nothing could be further than the truth. I told him to let them know whenever I am trying to be intimate; I want friends and other people as far away from me as possible.

I was still very pissed at this driver. The only reason that I could think of for him to do something like that would have been because I told him to stop his car about 3-minutes after we left Rio Sol, because he was not using his meter and I was not about to let this fuckhead rip us off (he quoted me a fair rate, once I told him to stop the car). He must have told that to the girls after I got out of the taxi. Orgy in Portuguese is ‘festinha’, right? I would have heard that or picked up on what he was saying to them if he said it while I was still in the cab.

Anyway, the girls were put at ease so we went up to my room to have some drinks. The hotel bar might have been a better option, because my mini-bar ended up being raided and I went ahead and ordered more beer from room service, but what the hell… I won’t let myself be cheated in Rio, but on the flipside of the coin I will not let a few bucks get in the way of having a good time while I am there on vacation.

I noticed the time was approaching for my girl to leave, so I had to ask Corey and his girl to go to their room while I had some time with my girl…

Eventually, the time that she said she needed to leave by had past and things were going great. After a few more minutes went by she stopped and apologized, but said that she had to leave. DAMN!! I was big time disappointed. She called Corey’s room to speak with her friend and I was listening to them argue with each other. Apparently, her friend did not want to leave. When she hung up she told me that her friend said that if she was going to leave, she was going to introduce me to one of their friends. I just laughed it off and told her that I understood why she had to leave and not to worry about it. I really was disappointed though.

We saw them off and she told me that she could stay out as late as she wanted tomorrow night. I told her that I would call her in the afternoon to make plans.

It was close to 1am and I was not ready to end the night. Corey and I decided to go to Barbarella. I had not been there in so long and was way overdue for a visit. We sat down at a table and were brought our drinks. The last time that I went there they brought you a bottle of whiskey that was marked off down the side so you could measure out your own drinks. This time they brought each of us a glass filled with ice and about ¾ filled with whiskey. It really sucks that they don’t serve beer here.

I was surprised to see how the quality of girls there was so inconsistent. They had some girls in Barbarella that I thought would be lower quality Help girls. Some were well above average, while about 4 or 5 that I saw were perfect 10s and looked way better than the terma girls that I saw on this trip. Only problem was that they were all sitting with a bunch of guys at one big table.

I had about four girls come sit with me. Two of which, I could not wait for them to leave and one was easily above average looking. She was an average girl at Centaurus at best. She wanted R$ 350 and I wasn’t even in the mood to negotiate. After she left I was working on my second whiskey and coke. I think the only reason that I was drinking them was to try to justify the R$ 60 entrance fee, which included these two drinks. They really were awful. One last girl sat down with me and she was pretty hot, but she started out at R$ 450. There was no way this was going to happen. She didn’t stick around too long and neither did we after we finished our drinks.

The samba show at Barbarella was pretty cool and during their breaks all available girls would get on the stage to try and entice the patrons. If we would have went there earlier on in the night it would have been a lot cooler, but it was around 1am when we arrived and I was a little tired from all of the drinks back at the hotel and the two whiskey & cokes.

We decided to take off. The waiters at Barbarella have no shame at all. When the waiter gave us our bill he said immediately “R$ 60 and my tip!!” I’m not 100% sure what the exit fee for a girl was the last time I was there, but it seems like it was R$ 70. So if you take a girl back to your hotel, remember to add R$ 130 (R$ 60 entrance + R$ 70 exit) onto whatever price you and the girl agree upon in order to get the actual price.

Barbarella
Rua Ministro Viveiros de Castro, 24
Tel: 2275-7349


Neither of us had eaten anything today and we were starving, so we got the cab driver to take us to Cervantes. Unfortunately they were closed, but I really just wanted to get back to the hotel and crash.

Young & Restless
01-07-05, 13:44
This was our last day to stay at the Rio Roiss. About two months prior to this trip, I received an advertisement from the Marriott with an offer that I could not refuse. Stay three nights and get the fourth night free, plus a complimentary room upgrade. This was great, but I still think the Rio Roiss is your best deal if you are going only to monger.

If some of you stayed at the Debret back when they allowed girls in your room and are maybe thinking that the Rio Roiss is something along the same lines, don’t worry. The Debret is a dump compared to the Roiss. Whenever I make it back to Rio, I plan to go look at some apartments. The two that I see mentioned on here the most are http://www.gringomanagement.com/ and http://www.ez-riorentals.com/. I don’t know if either one is better than the other, but when I make it back to Rio, I’ll have an opinion for you. Also, I have some Brazilian friends that keep telling me they can show me the best apartments for the best prices in Rio. I’ll try to set aside a little time to do some research on all the above and report on what I find. For now, I am waving the flag for the Rio Roiss:

Rio Roiss (R$ 200,00 Deluxe Rm. ~$75)
Rua Aires Saldanha, 48
22060-030 - Copacabana
Rio de Janeiro - Brasil
Reservations: 011 ( 55 21) 2522-1142
Fax: 011 (55 21) 2521-7719
http://www.rioroiss.com.br/
rioroiss@rioroiss.com.br

Once we arrived at the Marriott, I was greeted on a first name basis by one of the hotel employees that I’ve known for a couple of years now. He’s helped me out with several tips and recommendations on many occasions.

We got checked in and our rooms were great. For the first time ever, I had a room facing the Copacabana. The view from my room was unbelievable. Sometimes it takes something like this to make you realize how amazing Rio really is. Corey said that he was going to sleep some more, but I was wide awake at that point and wanted to go to the beach. This was a Monday and normally would be a shitty day for going to the beach, but this was a feriado (holiday) and the beach was packed.

When I got to the beach, I was surprised to see another hotel employee that I have known for a long time just hanging out. Throughout my stays at the Marriott, I ended up making about four good friends. If you get a chance to hang out with some locals that speak English, do it. They will take you to places off the beaten path, introduce you to other people and give you a lot more insight about the city than you would have known about otherwise.

Anyway, he asked me if Guilherme knew that I was in Rio (Guilherme was one of the two guys that I mentioned in my report from 07-13-04. I gave him an assumed name because he was still working at the Marriott at that time). I told him that he knew I was here, but I had not spoke with him yet. He let me use his cell phone to call him and Guilherme said that he was going to come to the beach.

While I was sitting there, my eyes were drawn to this mega-hot chic. She had dark blond hair, cinnamon skin, a perfect Brazilian butt with a tattoo just above it and a bangin’ body. As far as I could see, she had only one flaw… some guy (Brazilian) was sitting down talking with her the whole time. I’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that 99% of every girl you see on the Copacabana is working. I asked my friend from the hotel what he thought and he said that he was almost certain that she was. I kept waiting for that guy to get the hell out of there, but never would. Finally he did leave… along with the girl. Oh well…

Once Guilherme showed up he said that he and the hotel employee on the beach with us were going to a concert tonight at a place called “Hip Hop” (pronounced Hippie Hoppie in Portuguese). They both said that it was safe and would be a lot of fun. I agreed to go and we planned to leave at 1030 that night.

I had to get back to the hotel, because the two girls from the night before were coming to meet us for lunch. During my little caipirinha binge, I told both girls that we were going to eat at Marius and invited them to come with us. I know that I could not have invited them to a place that was more expensive, but these girls were really nice and never asked either one of us for anything, plus we planned on going there anyway. Up until now we had spent hardly any money at all on food, so we were overdue to splurge a little.

This was my first time to eat at the seafood side of Marius. There is no denying that this place is expensive, but the food is unbelievable. Everything was all you can eat from lobster, jumbo prawn (biggest that I’ve ever seen), shrimp, fish, salmon, etc., etc. Total cost per person was about R$ 87,00. Very expensive, but it was my favorite meal of the trip and if we had one where I live, I would be eating there tonight:

Marius (R$ 87,00 - Seafood / R$ 60,00 - Meats)
Av. Atlântica, 290 Copacabana
Tel: 2104-9002 Seafood / 2104-9000 Meats
http://www.marius.com.br/

Both girls had to leave afterwards. The one with me had to go to school and the one with Corey had to go to work. They agreed to meet us again the following night.

Back at my room, I noticed my message light was flashing. It was the girl from Sao Paulo. On this trip I met two non-pro girls. I will refer to this one as the “Paulista” and the one from the previous night as the “Carioca”.

She asked me what my plans for the night were and I told her about going to the Hip Hop and invited her to come. She said that sounded like fun and I told her to come to the hotel at 10pm and we would be leaving 30-minutes after that. She arrived a little before 10 and looked awesome. Guilherme called my room from the lobby and said that we could all go have a few drinks at a kiosk across the street before we left. After about 2 or 3 beers a piece everyone was acquainted and we got on our way to Hip Hop.

I believe this place was in the Lapa district and was covered with some pretty impressive graffiti. You had to buy a ticket to get in and I think the price was R$ 2.50 p/ person. The guy we bought our tickets from ripped me off right in my face. I paid for the Paulista’s and mine. He refused to give my change to me and started walking away. Guilherme handed me 5-reis, but I told him to forget it. It was only about the principle. Oh well… if you would have seen this place, you would understand why I was not going to make a big scene over my change.

We get inside and this place looks like a cross between something out of Harlem and 8-mile. Hip Hop was about the size of two high school gymnasiums. On the front of the inside was the main stage, where I guess the more popular acts were doing freestyle. About two-thirds of the way towards the back was a basketball court with people playing. On the outside of this place opposite to the entrance, there were some concession stands and smaller stage with other people doing freestyle. Everything here was dirt cheap, from the entrance fee (well… it could have been even cheaper), to beer (R$ 2) and food (R$ 2-3). I was still full from Marius, but the Paulista ordered a barbeque plate. I tried a couple of pieces and it was delicious.

As far as I could tell, we were the only gringos at this place. I am no good at guessing headcounts, but there had to be at least 600 people in there. The quantity of the good-looking girls there was definitely not anything overwhelming, but there were some cuties walking around. When we first walked in, I was wondering if some drunken asshole was going to try to start some shit with us, but nothing like that ever happened. Overall, the scene was pretty cool and definitely different.

After a few beers, we all needed to go to the restroom. As long as I live, I will NEVER forget this moment. The other guys walked into the restroom before I did and I asked the girl if she wanted to wait outside the door for me. We were a good 90-feet from the restroom and she said, “No thanks, I can smell it from here”. There was no way I could delay going to the restroom. Once I stepped inside the restroom, I saw Corey in the distance and he looked like he was trying to hold his breath. No sooner did that thought cross my mind, before I understood why. I have been in some horrible restrooms in Mexico and in various gas stations and truck stops, but this one took the cake. After breathing in only one breath, my eyes started to water up and my gag muscles started working some serious overtime. On his way out, Corey started laughing when he saw me gagging, but I didn’t see too much humor in this (at the time anyway). How I kept from vomiting is beyond me. This restroom was hideous. There was about an inch of water (or something else) that covered the entire floor and it was impossible to breathe. You either had to cover your face with your shirt (and it was still nearly impossible, even then) or hold your breath. I had never seen anything like this in my entire life and even thinking about it is kind of making me gag a little bit right now. If you’ve ever had to use those nasty public restrooms on the Copacabana that you have to pay one or two reis to use, this restroom made those seem like the Ritz-Carlton. There is no way I would have sampled any of the food from this place if I had witnessed this atrocity beforehand.

I got the hell out of there and Corey is waiting for me with the Paulista. We both could not believe how disgusting that restroom was. Anyway, we started watching the main event. The show was awesome and outside of the restroom incident, everything was still fine. Until this… I wanted to help Corey get hooked-up and this was not the right place to do it with someone that can’t speak any Portuguese, but my mind was not thinking rationally at the time. I saw two cute girls standing alone while we were watching the show and asked Guilherme if he would try to help Corey get introduced to one of them. He made an attempt, but I did not think he was being aggressive enough, so I walked over to them and said “Oi…”. The Paulista got major pissed. At first, I thought that she was just joking, but I could not be that lucky. She started yelling at me and I told her that I was just trying to help Corey. It took me several minutes to get her calm, but trying to help a friend just proved to be a bad idea. After things calmed down, I told Corey that I was trying to help him meet one of the two girls and he said, “Oh… is that what you where trying to do??” Unbelievable. Even he didn’t believe me. From here on out, no more favors like that.

After watching the main act (a guy from Cidade de Deus) we all left. The guys wanted to go to some other clubs, but I was ready to go back to the hotel… They dropped us off and left. Since it was so late, I offered the Paulista to stay the night with me (wink, wink). She accepted and the night ended quite nicely…

Corey told me that they stayed out for a few more hours, but he ended up going back to the hotel alone. For some reason they did not go inside Help even as a last resort, but it was so late all of the good ones were probably already gone.

My friend Guilherme told me earlier in the day that he was working on renovating two small buildings on another beach in Rio and once completed, he was going to start working as a travel guide. I’ve never recommended anybody to anyone here on the WSG Forum, but I will give this guy my highest recommendation. For me, it is really hard to trust damn near anyone in Rio, but this guy has never asked me for anything and is 100% trustworthy. Even if you’ve never been to Rio, you do not need anyone’s help to have an excellent time, but you would have even more fun if you let someone like him show you around a little. If it is permitted I will post the address to his web-site once he has it running, if that sort of thing is permitted on here.

Young & Restless
01-07-05, 13:46
this girl kept trying to wake me up at about 5:30am. she kept calling my name and shaking me. i was too tired to even answer her. finally at 6am, i woke up and gave her money to her and off she went. a few minutes after she left, i was wide awake and decided to go for a short walk to kill a little time before the hotel restaurant opened at 7am.

finally 7am rolls around and i am the 1st one in line for the free hotel breakfast. once i saw what they had available, i realized quickly why it was free. all they had was a few different slices of deli-style lunchmeat, two different types of sliced cheese and about three different kinds of bread/jam to choose from. if i would have known this beforehand, i would have just stayed in bed earlier. it damn sure doesn’t look anything like that picture they have on their web site. anyway, while i was picking out something to eat, i saw a good-looking redheaded girl (bottled red) come in the restaurant with a man in his mid-fifties. she was about 22 and looked kind of like uma thurman’s character in pulp fiction, but with dark red hair and a brazilian body. i thought she looked really sexy. i noticed that the entire time she was in the restaurant with this guy; she was staring at me real hard from the time she walked in, until the time i left. it was a good kind of stare, but i could not figure out why she was not even trying to be discrete about it while she was setting there eating with that man.

one of the ladies that works in the restaurant came up to my table and offered to cook me an omelet with some bacon. anything would have been nice to liven up this boring breakfast. i ordered my omelet; she asked for my room number and returned shortly with my food. after i finished eating i got up to leave and i noticed the girl and the man getting up to leave by the time i was getting inside the elevator. once i got inside my room i laid down and closed my eyes for about 2-minutes when i heard a knock on my door. i open the door and the girl from the restaurant is standing there.

i invited her in and we sat down on my bed and started talking. she said that she had been in that man’s room with him since 8pm the night before. i wanted to laugh so bad, but i kept it in. my first question to her was how in the hell did she know what room i was in and she said that she listened to me tell the lady in the restaurant my room number.

well, now that she was there with me, we obviously had some other things to discuss. this girl’s name was gleyse and i asked her if she wanted to stay with me for a little while and she said yes. i asked about money and she said r$ 300. i told her that i was glad that she came by my room, but there was no way i could do that. she then said that she would accept r$ 250. i told her that was too high as well. she asked me what price would i pay and i said that i would pay r$ 200, if we could have two sessions. she agreed without any hesitation.

the session was superb. i think this girl was somewhat of a nympho, because she was already with that other man earlier and made it obvious that she was still enjoying her time with me. i thought she was sexy with her dark red her, no fat and a nice round ass. i did not last nowhere near as long as i thought i was going to. we ended up passing out and not waking up until corey called my room to ask when i wanted to go eat lunch. i told him that i found some company after breakfast and still had something else that i needed to do before we left.

after the second time, i went to the restroom and showered. when i came back into the room, i got the money out of my safe to give to her, she asked me where we were going and i told her to lunch. she told me that she was hungry too. i just looked at her while i was counting the money. i told her here is r$ 200 and after i gave her that i gave her r$ 20 more and said this is for your lunch. she laughed a little bit and said ok and goodbye. two sessions with this girl was easily worth more than r$200, so i more or less wrote the extra r$ 20 off as a well earned tip. truthfully, i think she deserved more than what i gave her, but that was the price that we agreed upon and i would look like an idiot if i paid more.

we decided to go to a café styled restaurant/bar that i was introduced to on my last trip to rio. i could not remember the name of it on my last rio report, but i have the complete name and address this time:

botequim informal
rua humberto de campos, 646 (leblon)
tel: 2259-6967

this is a nice little place where you can relax and drink some chopp. the also have great food too. by now, i was already picking up on the trend of us eating only one time per day, so when we went to this place i told corey that we should order several different things and split them between each other. we ordered empadas de camarão (pastries filled with shrimp & melted cheese), bolinhos de bacalhau (fried codfish balls) and mineirinho (filet mignon w/ melted mozzarella and grilled onions). there was no way we could finish everything, but it was not expensive and we had the whole variety thing going on.

while we were sitting there, a table of three girls and one guy was sitting next to us. their table was so close that you might as well say that we were all sitting at the same table. after a few minutes of waiting for our food, a chinese lady walks buy selling some rated r trinkets, such as a lighter that pops-up a penis instead of a flame, a vibrating brush with an ~8” shaft and a combination lighter/switch blade. our table and the girl’s table were all laughing our asses off at everything that she showed us and i was thinking this could be a good opportunity to use some portuguese and try to get acquainted.

i told the girl sitting next to me that i lost my appetite after when the lady showed us that lighter. she starting laughing and to my surprise starts speaking to me in perfect english. i asked her if she and her friends had eaten at this restaurant before and she said that it was and this was only her second time to be in rio and she was staying with a long-time friend of hers that lives there (the only girl that had a boyfriend with her). this girl was from sao paulo, 20 years old and hot. i told her that later we were going to go watch some live music later and told her that she and her friends could come. she said that she and her friends were not going to stay out late, because the other two girls were leaving rio early in the morning and this was going to be there little celebration. i did not want to push the issue, since maybe that was her way of telling me nicely that she was not interested, so i told her if she wanted to call me some other time, i could be reached at the marriott on ave. atlantica after tonight (that night would be my last night at the rio roiss, will explain later).

after we paid our bill, we took a cab back to our hotel. for all of that food, a coke for my friend, 3-beers for me along with 2-caipirina glass and 2-cerveja glass (which i left at the rio roiss and am still pissed off about), total damage was about $10 for him and $15 for me. at this point, food had hardly impacted our budget.

it was sunday and as far as i knew solarium & monte carlo were the only termas open. we chose to go to solarium. if you are staying in the copabanaca area, this place is about 20 minutes away depending on traffic, but seeing some of the city on the way there is nice.

we get to solarium and walk in to the reception area. after briefly speaking to the lady at the reception, i thought she had some nice sex appeal to her. if any of you are solarium regulars, she is what i would call a classic brazilian woman; naturally curly hair and deep bronze skin… very nice. i thought about asking for her phone number or offering mine to her on the way out, but i was perfectly satisfied by that time.

one cool thing about solarium is that you pay for everything on your way out instead of in the beginning like at centaurus. after changing into our robes, we went upstairs to the boite. there were plenty of gorgeous girls available. once we sat down and it did not take more than a minute or two before we both had girls setting with us.

the first girl that was sitting with me was very sweet and burning hot, but at this point i was overdue for a nice brazilian blond. after about 20-minutes, i spotted the one that i wanted. i had to use my “who is that girl over there?” technique with the girl that was setting with me. once i asked her that question, she asked me if i wanted to talk to her instead. i told her that i did want to talk with the other girl for a few minutes to see if i thought she was my type or not. this second girl was smokin’. she was 25 and built like a brick shithouse. i believe her name was elie, but i am not 100% sure. flawless body, bottled blond and on fire. i told her that i wanted to rent the suite and she went to check on it. she returned and said that the suite was booked for the next two hours and the regular rooms had a minimum 45-minute wait. i was a little disappointed because i used the suite on my last visit at solarium and it was awesome. it had a huge bed, jacuzzi, shower and a tv that was playing porn the whole time. i highly recommend it if it is available when you are there. i believe the price is r$ 330 for one-hour.

waiting 2-hours was out of the question, so we went to the standard room. the standard rooms are very small, but you forget all about that once you both lay down on the bed. this girl (along with every other girl that i have been with in a terma) allowed bbbj and knew exactly what she was doing. after about 10 or 15-minutes, we got down to business. very talented girl… incredible.

corey and i both finished up around the same time, so it was time to take off. while we were paying, i noticed that they had a tv in the reception area that displayed some of the girls that were working. it was cool, because there were two brazilian guys close to our age standing in line and we were all giving high-5’s when our girls were shown on the tv.

solarium is tied for 2nd place with l’oumos for my favorite termas. their establishment is a little nicer, but one could say that l’oumos has a slightly better selection of girls. total setback was r$170 plus drinks.

solarium
rua j.j. seabra, 21 - jardim botanico - r.j.
tel: (55 21) 2294-6599 / 2274-2741
open mon - fri 3pm until 2am
saturday 2pm - 9pm
sunday 4pm - 12am
http://www.solarium.com.br/

we left there and went back to the rio roiss. at this point, my libido was content and really just wanted to go somewhere to hang out at for the rest of the night. i asked the front desk clerk if he could recommend a good place with live music. i had not heard of the place that he told us about, but the venue sounded cool. he said there was a place called galeria gômer (<=sp?) located in a place called “shopping downtown”. the thing that confused me the most was when i asked him if it was located downtown, he said no that was just the name of the place. i want to say that this place was located in barra da tijuca. maybe some of you rio experts can shed a little light on this. anyway, we got a taxi and he told our driver where to take us and off we went. we get there and this place was awesome. all locals, no tourist or working girls whatsoever, but we had already fulfilled that part of our agenda for the day so this was perfect.

the band there was excellent. they played everything from stone temple pilots and pearl jam to the beatles. they also played some brazilian rock too. i would say that the ratio was about 65/35, u.s./brazilian music. i saw two girls sitting by themselves watching the band. once i determined that they were there alone, i told corey that i was going to try to get them to sit with us. both of them were in their earlier twenties and were very beautiful. i told them hello and asked if they were waiting for somebody. they told me that they just came for the music and that was exactly what i wanted to hear. i told them that we would like to invite them to come and sit with us and have a few drinks, if they would like. they started talking to each other and i could not understand everything, but they were smiling the whole time so i took that as a good sign. next thing you know, we have two girls sating with us.

i knew it was up to me to maintain their interest since my friend does not speak portuguese, so i asked them what type of work they do, what their interest are, and tried to make them laugh as much as possible. things were going fine until the girl that i was interested in suggested that i drink a caipirinha. i love caipirinhas, but i usually drink them way too fast and this time was no exception. on top of all the beer that i drank, i gulped down about three caipirinhas. i can’t say enough how good the band was, so the time was going by so fast. the girls said they were going to order some food, so they ordered a beef dish that was served on a grill of some sort and was really deicious. just for setting down at a table, we were served a variety of complimentary breads and garlic butter. the whole scene at this place kicked ass.

the band stopped playing around 2am and it was obvious that the girls were not interested in calling it a night. paying the check was just a footstep away from being a very embarrassing moment. between the two of us, we had just barely enough money to pay the bill. i told the girls if they would ride with us to our hotel (wink, wink) we could visit a little more on the way there and we would pay the cab fare to take them home.

they agreed, so we found a cab and headed to the rio roiss. once we arrived at the hotel, we told the driver to wait for just a minute while we went to get the money for the fare. i invited the girls to come to our rooms, but the night clerk would not let them up to our rooms because neither of them had their ids. i was furious, but did not make a scene. i asked the girls if they wanted to go home after we paid the taxi or if they would like to visit with us a little more. their response was music to my ears, they said they wanted to visit some more… yes!!! we went up to our rooms while the girls waited downstairs. once we returned downstairs we all got back in the taxi and i told the driver to take us to the vanity, because i could not think of any other place where the girls could get in without ids. corey said that we could go anywhere else besides there. last nights memories were evidently still fresh on his mind. i asked the cab driver if he could recommend a nice hotel that did not require ids and he said that he knew one that would end up being around the same price as the vanity, plus it had a swimming pool in the room. hell yeah!!!

the name of this place is “nosso hotel” this place was unbelievable. you rent this place in time increments just like at the vip motel, but much cheaper. some words of wisdom… check this place out!

nosso hotel
av. niemeyer, 210 - leblon
rio de janeiro - rj - tel. 2274-3247
http://www.nossohotel.com.br/

the second i walked into this place, i knew that i had to mention it to everyone here on the forum. we walked inside of the room and it was unreal. we either stayed in the “vitória régia” suite or the “king’s”; i honestly don’t remember which one it was. the room had a lounge area with a very nice mini-bar stocked with all kinds of alcoholic & non-alcoholic drinks. at this point, i had switched from drinking alcohol to drinking red bulls like a madman. everyone else got something to drink and we headed into a different area of the room where to my surprise i saw the f**king swimming pool inside of our room!! corey and the girl that he was making friends with got into the swimming pool. i was laughing my ass off because we did not bring swim trunks with us, so the only alternative was to swim in your underwear. i don’t have a problem with that, but i do if there is another guy in the pool. i told the girl that i had been talking with to come with me and let’s go see the rest of this room. the bedrooms were badass too. one of the bedrooms even had a strobe light above the bed. i turned the corner and what i saw left me speechless… another f**king swimming pool inside of our room!!! two pools inside one room! i wish that i had given our taxi driver a better tip.

when the girl saw the pool, she started to get completely undressed and got in the pool… hey, when in rio… i had not been skinny dipping since i was in high school, so i was enjoying the hell out of this. after awhile in the pool, it seemed pretty obvious what was next on the agenda, so it was time to go see if the other room had strobe lights too…

after an unforgettable time, it was time to leave. this next part was the only shitty thing about day number two. we had to pay and turn in our keys. the first part was no problem, but the second part… apparently, we were issued two sets of keys for this room. why two sets? i have no idea, but one of the girls knew where the first one was, but the second one was like an agatha christie mystery. there were two hotel employees in our room helping us look for this key. i had to laugh the next day, corey told me after he got dressed he was walking around the room and saw a hotel employee walking around (probably looking for that key) and he said to himself “holly shit! there are other people in here!” all of us were looking everywhere. i looked all around and inside both swimming pools, all over the bed, inside the minibar… everywhere. it was ridiculous. we were all in the lounge area and the girls where talking to me about the key. corey kept asking me, “what did they say? what did they say?” after every sentence. by this time i was too tired to speak portuguese much less translate it every 10-seconds. i was ready to get the hell out of there.

beforehand, i told corey that most of the girls in rio love to take photos, so he bought a disposable camera and brought it with him to rio. apparently, he and the girl with him were taking lots of pictures of each other while they were in the swimming pool (i am laughing my ass off while i am typing this!) and both girls were asking him for his camera. we both were pretty lit by now and he came up to me while i was sitting down while this whole “key fiasco” was going on. as long as i live, i will never forget this little conversation. he said “man… this sucks”, i said “yeah, no shit”, he said “plus i can’t find my f**king underwear!” this kind of took me by surprise, because i could not find mine either. i told him that and what he said made me laugh during this miserable moment. he said, “i can’t understand what anyone is saying here, but i just want to know three things. #1 why can’t anyone find that key? #2 why do they want my camera? and #3… where in the hell is our underwear?!?!” i was in bad need of a good laugh.

i stood up to revive myself and put my hands in my pockets. what did i find? that f**king key. i did not remember them giving it to me, but oh well i did not care or want to talk about it any more. it was way passed time to leave. we get back to the rio roiss and i don’t even remember if we gave the girls cab money or not. once i got up to my room i collapsed. on the days to come, i had more than my share of fun, but there were several screwed up things that happened too. day 2 turned out to be my favorite day in rio on this trip.

Young & Restless
01-07-05, 13:47
before i get started, i’ve been telling myself forever that i am going to put together a detailed report for one of my trips to rio. i’ve finally wrote a fairly detailed one here. my intent was to put back into the wsg. it was the detailed reports that were very helpful to me on my first trip to rio, so if this report helps anyone with their travel plans, then i have put back in what i have taken from the wsg forum.

in my report, i wrote about my experiences with the p4p scene (of course) and the non-pro scene that i dabbled in. there are a couple of days that i wrote about here dealing only with my non-pro experiences and provided very little or no info. regarding p4p. so… if you only like to read reports that talk about sex and nothing else but that, you should just skip over this one. for all others, here goes…

i am recently returning from an unbelievably fun week in rio. this trip makes number four for me and it seems like they get progressively better each time that i go. i am still just a rio novice, but over the last three years i’ve come to know quite a bit about this amazing city. i went to rio this time with a longtime friend of mine that was traveling outside of the u.s. for the first time ever. i had been telling him about rio for the past few years and earlier this year he made up his mind to go. after so many painful months of waiting went by, the time for our flight had now come so we sat out to conquer.

after a long 12-hour flight, we arrive in rio.

day 1:

we arrived in rio around 1pm on a saturday and had a driver from the rio roiss (fernando) waiting at the airport to take us to the hotel. in the past i have had problems with exchanging money when i arrived in rio on saturdays. i think your best rate would be at the atm machine at the blockbuster in copacabana, but i did not feel like worrying about my card not working or the machine being out of order or money. all of the other cambios that i knew of in copacabana would have closed by the time we got there from the airport, so i decided to use the amex inside the airport to get me started. the exchange rate at the airport in the u.s. was terrible so i called the amex at the airport in rio prior to the flight and found that their rate was much better. so the first mission was to go to there and get some reis.

there were so many parasites in the airport it made it a real pain in the ass to exchange money. i discretely told fernando that i wanted to go to amex before leaving the airport and next thing you know some guys come running up to us asking what we need. after a few seconds, i just started walking away and fernando caught up with me and said that he would take us to amex right away. if you want to exchange money when you arrive at the airport, here is amex’s info (the amex in copacabana has weird hours and long waiting lines most of the time, so while you’re still at the airport this is a good opportunity in my opinion):

amex - int’l airport 011 (55 21) 9749-2645
terminal 2 – 1st floor

thinking that the hard part was over, i get out of the car and go into the terminal, only to find a group of about four guys staring at me like i had a hundred dollar bill pasted on my forehead. great. we went to amex and got what we needed to get us by for a few days and headed back out of the airport.

you’re probably better off just using the atm at the blockbuster. i only had one problem with using it on my previous trip. the machine could not read the magnetic strip on my card and the people at blockbuster obviously couldn’t do anything to help. i went to numerous banks with every major credit card that you could think of and none of them would let me withdraw money because i did know any of my pin numbers. finally, i went to amex in copa and explained to them what the problem was. they were nice and let me withdraw money from my amex card for the rest of my trip and i only had to show them my card and my passport each time, no pin. i wasted so much time that day and was way too frustrated with the whole thing.

try the blockbuster you’ll get a better rate, just don’t be a dumbass like i was and bring a worn out atm card with you and be sure to memorize the pin numbers of your other credit cards as a backup:

blockbuster – copacabana
av. n. s.de copacabana n°: 619
tel: 011 (55 21) 2549-8677

real quick, in case anyone is still wondering about having to be fingerprinted and photographed by immigration at the airport, don’t worry. we didn’t have to do either one and i did not see anyone else having to either.

after a surprisingly quick drive from the airport, we arrive at the rio roiss. i have read about the rio roiss on the wsg forum for a long-time now and wasn’t 100% sure on how my reaction to this place would be. well, my first impression was not that good. we walked into the entrance and they had guys painting the entranceway of the hotel on the inside and wearing respirators, so it was a little hard to breath and their set-up was somewhat of an eyesore. renovating is a good thing, but i was hoping that they would not be doing that the whole time that we were staying at the hotel. turns out they finished up that same day, so it was not really that of a big deal.

after checking in we went up to our rooms. first, let me say that i’ve stayed at some very nice hotels in rio and some that were above average, so i was a little worried that this place might suck a little. after taking a good look inside the room, i was totally impressed. their furnishings are a little older and not the most expensive, but everything was nice, clean and comfortable. my favorite things were the size of the deluxe room and the overhead shower was cool too. i usually like to stay at nicer places, but i would not have any problems staying at this hotel again.

once we got settled in we decided to go eat at a sandwich shop that i’ve read a lot of good reviews about called cervantes. if you have not been, i highly recommend it. we ordered the “sanduíche filet mignon com queijo” ~ “filet mignon sandwich with melted cheese”. it was unbelievably good and cheap (<r$12 p/ person). if you are coming from the direction of help on ave. atlantica headed in the direction of the copacabana palace, take a left onto the street that mab’s is on, continue pass barbarella and cervantes is one more block down on your left, right next door to a chevrolet car dealership:

cervantes
av. prado junior, 335 loja b (copacabana)
tel: 2275-6147

now it was time to hit the termas. i have told my friend about all of the termas that i have been to in rio and left the decision up to him as to which one we went to first. his choice was centaurus and that was perfectly fine by me. we arrived there around 6pm and the lady at the desk told us that if we could hold off taking a girl upstairs until 7, all of the girls would be there by then for us to choose from. sounded like a good idea to me. one thing i noticed right of the bat was that the price has went up a little bit. it was r$ 310 for 40-minutes. i asked the lady when did they raise their prices and she acted clueless. when i told her that it was r$ 290 on my last visit, she said that they changed their rates about a year ago. bummer, but oh well. i did not fly 5k miles to boycott my favorite terma over r$ 20. after changing, we went straight to the boite where all of the chicas were. this place seems to get better and better every time i go (minus the price increase). there was no shortage of beauties in centaurus. before our trip to rio, i told my friend that going to centaurus has to be the next best thing to being at the playboy mansion. the girls there are always the best looking girls that i see while i am in rio and after four trips in three years they have kept their standards up every time that i have been.

one thing that i emphasized to my friend prior to our trip is that you have to make a conscious effort to be picky in these termas and do not take the first girl upstairs that gives you wood. once one of these gorgeous girls sets down with you, all of them have perfected the art of making the male horny to the max. you still need to keep looking at all of the other girls in the terma though, because there is always another girl that is better looking than the one setting with you. if you’ve never been to a terma before you may feel a little uncomfortable about telling a girl that is sitting with you that you are interested in meeting a different girl there, but don’t be. i’ve been in the termas so many times a cannot tell you how often i’ve had girls blowing kisses at me and winking at me while the guy she is with is kissing all over her neck and fondling her boobs. i would be an idiot if i said that the same thing never happened to me. you won’t see it happen, but it certainly will a few times. my point is don’t feel guilty if you turn down a girl here, because they certainly aren’t feeling guilty about blowing kisses and winking at some of the guys setting around you when you’re not looking. if there were an entry in the dictionary for the cliché “mixing business with pleasure”, there would be a big picture of a terma right next to it. no one would ever need to be reminded about the pleasures inside of the termas, but while you are there don’t repress the fact that this is business too. be picky and make sure you get exactly girl that you want.

he evidently listened to what i said, because he went through 2 other girls before he picked the one that he wanted. i only had to weed through one before i found the perfect candidate. at this point, we had been sitting down drinking for well over an hour and i was ready to make a move. my friend went upstairs first and i only had to wait about 20-minutes before they had another room available.

i wanted to ask a few people on this trip if they post on the wsg forum. while i was waiting outside of my room i met a black guy from the u.s., and he said that he post here on occasions. i told him my user name and he told me his. his user name was not familiar to me and i cannot remember it, but dude if you’re reading this now and remember our conversation, i hope you had a damn good time at centaurus!

i hate to say this because i have read other posters on here receiving a little criticism for not remembering what the girl’s names were that they hooked-up with while at the termas. unfortunately i will fall into this category. some of these girl’s names are very hard to remember and if i was drinking at the time… forget about it. i could not remember this girl’s name (and a few others). this girl was hot, hot. she had a cinnamon skin, gorgeous face, beautiful eyes and her body was bangin’ (very typical brazilian girl) and she knew exactly what she was doing. although i didn’t request this in the beginning, she did allow cim, which was such a nice way to start off day #1.

i know that everyone has their own opinion as to which place (terma) is the best one to go to. let me just say that in all of my trips to rio and all of the places that i have been to while i was there, the best looking girls in rio de janeiro were right here:

centaurus
rua caning 44,
cnr rua raihha elizabeth, ipanema
tel: (55 21) 2267-5088
http://www.centaurusnet.com.br/
(web-site has been down)

after an excellent session with this girl i was feeling satisfied, but ready to go to another place. again, i left this decision up to my friend and he decided on help. i will be the first to admit that this is not the best place in rio, but i still enjoy dropping by there once or twice while in rio.

the girls sitting outside of help were some of the worst that i have ever seen. they were horrible. some of them were older ladies that were well into their 40’s and some of the other bad ones were around their mid-thirties, overweight and not cute at all. i felt sorry for my friend at one point, we made the mistake of sitting at a table that was close to the sidewalk and there was some nasty old lady that had to be in her 50’s that was trying to hook something up with him. i couldn’t help but laugh my ass off the whole time. there were a small handful of cute girls outside of help, but they were few and far between. i told myself that if the girls inside were as bad as the ones on the outside, i would leave immediately and not return again on this trip.

all of a sudden, we started to see a lot of people lining up to go inside help and we were right behind them at matrix speed. inside of help was 100% better than the outside. there was a decent amount of hot looking girls to choose from and it was still early in the night, so you could actually walk around for a change. from here on out, i will refer to my friend as “corey”. we both walked around help for a while before he spotted a hot looking girl (or she spotted him, i should say) that he was interested in. i told him that it was cool if he needed me to help translate. corey does not speak much portuguese outside of saying obrigado, so i knew it would not long before he took me up on my offer.

i decided to check things out solo for a little while and ended up finding a really hot looking girl. same complexion as the girl from centaurus, but had a slightly smaller frame and pretty green eyes. after a little chitchat we started to discuss prices. she started off with r$ 400 and i just smiled a little bit and asked her if she was serious. she asked me what i would pay and i said that i was looking to pay something around r$ 250. something that i have noticed is that if you counter offer with something much lower than the price that she starts out at and she does not walk away immediately, she will more than likely give in to your price or somewhere near the vicinity of it. if you can feel that she is not going to give in to your first offer, slowly increase your offer in r$ 25 increments not r$ 50 increments. remember this is brazil and if you increase your offer by r$ 50 just like that… she will see you as just another gringo with a pocket full of money to burn. it is not much money to you and me, but you would be surprised at how much more serious they will take you when you increase your offer by r$ 25 instead of r$ 50. back to my price discussion with this girl…. after i counter offered with r$ 250, she said that she would charge me $ 350 (since she did not turn her nose up when i said r$ 250, in my mind r$ 350 is just another bogus number). i asked her how long she would stay with me and she said she would stay for 2 or 3 hours. i told her that if she would agree on r$ 275, but only if she would agree to stay all night. she didn’t say anything. i then offered her r$ 285, as my last offer. she agreed and said that she had to leave at 6am though. the deal was made and now i had to go find my friend to let him know that i was leaving.

i was trying to find corey, but he was nowhere in sight. i have been friends with corey since junior high and knew that this scene was all new to him, so i wanted to make sure he remembered how to get back to the hotel before i left help. after walking around help for what seemed like forever, i assumed he was taking care of business back at the hotel already. i went back to the rio roiss and asked them to call his room. they did, but no one ever answered and the night clerk said that he had not seen him. i asked the girl to wait for me in the lobby of the hotel while i went back to help for one final look. shit this sucks!! luckily, i saw him as soon as i walked in and told him that my girl was waiting for me back at the hotel. i made a final offer to help him talk to this girl that was with him, but he said things were ok at the moment, so i was outta there.

my girl was still waiting for me in the lobby, so off to my room we went. i had an excellent time with this girl. she was 21 and really cute. about 15 minutes into a very nice bbbj, my phone starts ringing. i almost ignored the damn thing, but answered it anyway. it was corey and he said he had two girls downstairs, but the night clerk would not allow him to take both of them to his room. i told him to try to palm him some money and he said that he already offered him r$ 50, but the guy would not budge. i told him not to offer any more money to the guy. there is a love motel called the vanity that is a 3-minute cab ride from the rio roiss and there are no problems with having two girls there. the last time i stayed at the vanity was in 2001 and the rate was r$ 60. apparently it has increased to r$ 80 (but that is still only r$ 30 more than the “facilitating payment” that he offered the night clerk at the rio roiss). just out of curiosity, i asked him what price the girls were asking and he said r$ 150 for each girl. that should have thrown up a big red flag, but i was too preoccupied and wanted to hang up the phone as soon as possible.

about 40-minutes later, my phone was ringing again and now i am getting annoyed. this is twice that i was interrupted while trying to enjoy myself. it’s corey again and he is pissed-off this time. once he paid to get inside the vanity, the girls asked for the money upfront and he told them that it was at his hotel and he would pay them afterwards. he said that they started putting their clothes back on and got the hell out of there. i would never pay a girl from help in advance. i told him that he was better off just letting them leave. in the meantime, he has already paid for the room at the vanity and the guy would only reimburse him r$ 25 and he only got that much because he told him that he did not have any taxi money. looking back, i am certain that corey misunderstood the girls and i think that they both wanted r$ 300. he told me that was impossible because he took his finger and pointed at one of the girls and said “one hundred and fifty reis for you” and pointed to the other girl and said ““one hundred and fifty reis for you” and they both shook their heads yes. i told him, “do you really think they understood you when you said “one hundred and fifty” in english? and even if they did understand, would they tell you the truth??” they would have done whatever it took to get r$ 300 each.

finally, i get back to business. i had an excellent time with this girl and even though she agreed upfront that we could go at it more than once as long as she could leave by 6am, i decided to call it quits for the night. i was exhausted.

there are so many better places to go, but you can go to help and have a good time despite popular opinion. here is a link help's web site. i think it's a good depiction of help, because you will see one decent looking girl in about every tenth picture...

help discoteca
http://80.78.233.178/index.htm

Track Star
01-07-05, 16:57
This was a great report that I will use for my next trip. It was thanks to guys like you who are generous enough to share their info here that during my first trip to Rio I knew enough from the info I had read on the WSGForum to find my way around to the essential places. I still have not been to HELP or any terma..I never made it beyond Meia Petaca..I guess I am one deprived fucker. On my next trip I will make it to HELP and either Solarium or Centaurus.

Vinni100
01-07-05, 18:02
I enjoyed your post as I like hearing about everyone's adventures! But I must say I have NEVER paid more than 200 reis for a girl in front of or in Help. All of them were young and extremely pretty. And also, lots of them joined me at the beach once in a while or spent a couple days with me at NO charge. When some girl asks me for R$300 to $400, I simply start walking and they start following.

I always rent a decent apartment as opposed to hotels for the very reason Corey was having problems. The apartments have security and are cheaper than hotels. Plus apartments have amenities and a kitchen. Not that I really use the kitchen. But comes in handy when a girl wants to make you a sandwich.

Also, after being there for the first few days, the girls come to me. The guard downstairs calls me and I choose who can come up to my apartment.

http://www.copacabanaholiday.com.br/layout.asp?url=home&idioma=english

The apartments in Leme are better and nicer than the one room places near Help which I don't recommend so you don't get profiled as a gringo. People in Leme are much more laid back and theres great food everywhere. Marius is in Leme. One the best churrascarias in the world. However, there are places with the same food for a quarter of the price at Marius. Churrascaria Palace at Rua Rodolfo Dantes 16B just a half block off Avenida Atlantica.

I hope I run into you guys someday :)

"I decided to check things out solo for a little while and ended up finding a really hot looking girl. Same complexion as the girl from Centaurus, but had a slightly smaller frame and pretty green eyes. After a little chitchat we started to discuss prices. She started off with R$ 400 and I just smiled a little bit and asked her if she was serious. She asked me what I would pay and I said that I was looking to pay something around R$ 250. Something that I have noticed is that if you counter offer with something much lower than the price that she starts out at and she does not walk away immediately, she will more than likely give in to your price or somewhere near the vicinity of it. If you can feel that she is not going to give in to your first offer, slowly increase your offer in R$ 25 increments NOT R$ 50 increments. Remember this is Brazil and if you increase your offer by R$ 50 just like that… she will see you as just another gringo with a pocket full of money to burn. It is not much money to you and me, but you would be surprised at how much more serious they will take you when you increase your offer by R$ 25 instead of R$ 50. Back to my price discussion with this girl…. After I counter offered with R$ 250, she said that she would charge me $ 350 (since she did not turn her nose up when I said R$ 250, in my mind R$ 350 is just another bogus number). I asked her how long she would stay with me and she said she would stay for 2 or 3 hours. I told her that if she would agree on R$ 275, but only if she would agree to stay all night. She didn’t say anything. I then offered her R$ 285, as my last offer. She agreed and said that she had to leave at 6am though. The deal was made and now I had to go find my friend to let him know that I was leaving."

B J Lover
01-07-05, 18:40
Y & R, you are a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you so much - that type of detail is what we crave. I feel like I know everything I need for my trip based on reports like yours.

Kid Cisco
01-07-05, 20:15
Thanks for taking the time to write a detail report, with your attiude you will have fun and a good time NO matter were you go.

Some guys have lots of hang ups and issues and then blame it on Rio or being picky lol.

I know these girls can be a trip at times I try to make it a habit of not telling ANY girl when I am leaving ( I think maybe your girl from Sao Paulo was trying to line herself up with another guy after you left).

I just tell them I don't know when I am leaving I met girls down there that don't have any where to stay and just hang around and sleep with one guy for a few weeks and then hook up with another guy for a week or two (always on a look out for their next guy).

The problem is once they get your trust and once they know when you are leaving back to the USA some NOT all will steal from you and then hide for a few days until your flight have left back to the states.

I have a habit of only dealing (sleeping) with a girl maybe two times at best for some reason the second time is NEVER as good as the 1st time just like the SADE song lol, after a few rounds and a full night of love making I pay them no more then what you did around (150 -275 reals) and if they are were really GREAT I see them a second time.

Over the past few years there have been a few times I had some (Victoria's Secret lookalike) that I had to see for a 3rd time just to make sure I get them out of mine system the worst thing is to go home wishing you would have tap that "BUTT" a few more times before kicking her out.

There are a few clowns walking the streets around Rio that from time to time I had to work over.

Saint/Godfather like to paint me as the tough ex- Navy SEALS as you notice I never brought it up until he did, but normally I can walk around without any problems around Rio maybe because I stand almost 6'5 over 245 lbs,I am a cool clam person unless I AM PUSH or a person don't take mine warnings.

I don't know but there always a few clowns that want to try you after they been coke up or dope up or beer up or just seeing you walking with a fine "blonde hottie" they maybe feel should be with their foolish childlike acting shelves and they are jealous the girl want give them the time of day and then they have to be taught a lesson (even some drunk off his ass American gringo) I had to put mine size 13 boot in a few of their butts a few times too.

But, once again that was a really good report I hope your boy enjoyed himself too.

Kid Cisco

JoshJosh69
01-07-05, 20:48
That is the best report I have read in a long time. It's reports like those that frist brought me to Rio 5 years ago, 15 times later and 12 days to go until I land at Joabim airport, and man am I excited. Thanks for the stories and I will post my own when I arrive.

Rio Lover #2
01-07-05, 22:51
Y&R

You have written some great reports about the marvelous city
I got back from Rio 5 weeks ago and can`t wait to go back in April.

Termas Time
01-08-05, 03:58
That is one of the most thorough reports that I have seen posted about Rio, Y and R. Thanks for taking the time to post it. Luck with 2 non-pros on one trip is unreal.

Termas Time

El Mejor Beso
01-08-05, 10:33
Does the "Bang Boat" still exist? It was a big yacht with lots of ladies on it.

Pyjama
01-08-05, 13:06
Spent some days in Rio that time together with a friend. He did two escort girls (see this section).

Once I took a girl out of help, but also had the budget service of 30 reais for 30 minutes in an apartment.

Help:

When my friend was about to leave with the garota he chose (bad choice by the way, let's just forget about her) I didn't want to go home alone. Too many guys, just some nice looking girls for my taste - so I was feeling some pressure to choose quickly. There was a girl that didn't dance once that night, always sitting on one of these boxes next to the dancing. All she was doing was talking to other girls now and then, never men. I like this kind of girl much more than the pushy aggressive prostitutes, touching your ass when passing by and grabbing for your dick...
Anyway, so when I talked to her first I asked if she was working at all this night. But of course this is HELP, and of course she was working. I was asking why she didn't dance, and immediately she offered to dance with me. No interest, I wanted to go back to the apartment and do programa. She agreed in a second for 250 reais TN. Don't blaim me for paying too much - she was cute for my taste, and there were many dollars around!

To my surprise she had a good attitude, started deep french kissing right on the stairs on the way out, didn't complain about walking two blocks, and again lots of french kissing in the taxi.

In bed she would do whatever I liked (exept anal, she wanted some extra reais), fingering her pussy, banging her in every position, BBBJCIM and cum on face etc. And again she had a nice attitude, after the first bang she would feed my with chocolate and cookies, just to please me.

She was morena, slim with a nice little bunda, but a pair of silicone fake tits - but nice size and shape. She was the type "safade" I like very much. Would repeat but try to get a better price. If anyone is interested PM me for her mobile number.

Apartment:

Also went to an apartment on Av. Prado Júnior 297/801. Definitely you have to speak some Portuguese. Friendly atmosphere in a very basic environment, I had the choice of ca 6-8 girls, all more or less morenas. Took a young morena, 18 she said (I'd say 20...), and we went just behind a sliding door. Cost: 30/30min or 60/1h. Nice friendly girl, helped me undressing, beijos na boca, BBBJ, though no anal :-(
Would repeat, but take the hour. By the way, Av. Prado Júnior seems to be full of apartments with working girls.

Also had the pleasure of meeting to regular girls, but this is strictly private and with one I have the pleasure that she is living in my city outside Brazil :-)) She was the one I knew first and the started my addiction for Brazil...

Have fun but take care.

Pyjama

Young & Restless
01-08-05, 18:49
Oi amigos,

First, thanks for the good feedback on my report and I look forward to reading your reports so I can keep up with the scene in Rio!

Vinni100,

I knew that I was going to catch some grief when I mentioned paying R$ 285 for the first girl from Help. Truth is, the next morning I did feel kind of shitty about it, but blame it on the alcohol and "horniness", I guess. That's one big reason why Help will never be my favorite place... The key like you said is to stick to your guns, but if your "other head" is doing more thinking than the other, well... you might get taken for few reis...

Also, thanks for mentioning the Churrascaria Palace. I have not head about that one yet, but sounds like it’s worth trying. Another one that I have been to that was good, had cheaper prices and is about a block off of Av. Atlantica. is called “Carretão”.

http://www.carretao.com.br/aboutus.php

A few months ago, I debated on asking Jackson if he would create a section under Brazil where people could recommend restaurants to each other, but I never did because I figured that I would be ridiculed by too many people since this is a site that discusses sex. Since then I’ve noticed that there is a section in Argentina called, “Buenos Aires - Restaurants and Bars”. Maybe a “Rio de Janeiro – Restaurants and Bars” section might be good for the Brazil section too. If enough people agree, I bet Jackson would set it up.

Cheers,

Y & R

No Refill
01-08-05, 21:52
It makes me want to save my pennies.

I think a "Rio - Restaurants and Bars” would be a really cool addition.

Wow, my first post is about Restaurants and Bars... Go figure.

Photo55
01-08-05, 21:59
Y&R, wow. great detailed report on Rio. Porcão is definitely the best churrascaria in Rio. Another great place to see hot girls on a rainy day (ie no beach) is the Fashion Mall. Lastly, I'd say the best non pro scene is definitely the clubs in Barra da Tijuca but you have to speak Portuguese to get any play there or perhaps italian...I don't think much of Melt which was mentioned by Y&R (which is either Leblon or Ipanema, can't remember).

Also, just heard a story of a British guy that was almost drugged by what he thought was a legitimate non pro catch back at her apartment (so be careful at the clubs). Made it to the street just in the time for his body to go totally numb. luckily an honest cabbie helped him into his hotel otherwise he would have been totally screwed.

To those of you that check Mike in Brazil's catch, wondering if any of you know the latest film starlet, Julia (age 20).

http://www.************.com/view.htm?id=nd5000&trailer=julia.wmv

Definitely would like to get her contact information.

Thx,

Photo55

Wahoolee
01-08-05, 22:46
I will have to print it out and refer to it in the future when I travel to Rio.

Thanks!

Vinni100
01-09-05, 19:14
I have actually been to that resturant many times! They have some great food in both places and the price is right :)

I think it would be a great idea to have a forum for Brasil resturants. No grief from me :)

Sunset Strip
01-09-05, 22:29
Because of some responsibilities I will not be able to get to Rio in either June or August as planned. I will probably go again in Sept. But since I am getting the itch right now I know I need to go ASAP. So I am planning to book a flight for July.

However I think this is a holiday month for most Brazilian schools so prices go up. Is this true?

I am the type of guy who loves low season because the girl/monger ratio is to my advantage. On the flip side I do not enjoy New Years and most of the Carnaval season! So given this info. do you all think I will enjoy Rio in July?

I have secured a good rate for July 4-25.

P.S. I know it is almost impossible for a guy to have a bad time in Rio. I just wanted a heads up from the pros out there. I mean most of the guys on this thread seem to be professional mongers!

TJ

Bubba Boy
01-09-05, 23:51
Nice post! You sure do like to go out and mix it with the locals, very brave man!

Papi Muy Rico
01-10-05, 12:23
Your description of your adventures in Rio has been like a Roller Coaster ride …I have laughed…got angry…felt sadness…excitement ...horny … even scared sometimes, like a dramatic soap opera unraveling episode by episode. You are tha man!!!

I truly have to congratulate you for perhaps the best post I have read in this forum. As with any excellent drama I was left asking for more and some questions floating in the air:

1. You found out why the Paulista got so mad with you? Have you kept in contact with her? and with the Carioca? I think you should you never know when those relationships may become handy.

2. What type of job has the Carioca? What about the Paulista? I don’t mean to be nosy but really like to know…you know your novel did not clarify that ..

3. I travel regularly to Brasil for business and love to go to Rio whenever I have the chance; however, the security issue worries me too much, as a gringo travelling solo I might be targeted for a mugging even in plain daylight. That happens a lot there specially lately when violence against tourists is growing. For that reason I would like you to PM me Guilherme’s contact info so next time I am in Rio I hook up with him and have a couple beers with him, and maybe go out for hunting.

4. Did you invite Guilherme to anything provided that he as a token of gratitude for showing you around? I read that he did not ask for anything but I think you should have showed him your appreciation.

I know that Termas are very safe but there are places that are dangerous for tourists wandering alone like Lapa, which I like a lot and where there is plenty of talent to look for. You’ve been there and know what I mean, you have groups of local dudes with faces taken out from “Cidade de Deus”. I was there alone back in december and became paranoid in the middle of the crowd, too many gangs of youths circulating. Would you have gone to Lapa without Guilherme? I don’t think so…you said you felt threatened at some point. That is the advantage of having locals to hang out with.

Another thing is you should not left Corey alone in Help, you should have found him and make sure he had a girl and the terms of the contract clearly explained. As a first timer he might be easily tricked, drugged or robbed or a combination of the three. The fact that he only lost the motel money says he is not a dumb ass though.

Rio Regular
01-10-05, 21:22
Any one else there up for getting your game faces on and enjoying Rio?

Young & Restless
01-10-05, 23:18
I noticed that a few more post were approved since my last post the other day... Thanks again gents for all of the good feedback. I hope some of the info comes in handy.

Kid Cisco,

There is no telling what that girl was up to. She might have met one (or all) of those three guys while we were apart for a few seconds at the Nuth and they could have slipped there phone number to her. I don't really know, but like I've said before it's not easy for me to trust people that I meet in Rio. It can be hard to read people there, because most of them seem genuinely sincere, but then again you never know...

Regardless of what she was up to, I can't really say anything because whenever I wasn't with her I wasn't exactly behaving like a boy scout... hehehe.

Also, I'm with you on having a two or three time limit with any one chica. It's like eating at your favorite restaurant for two or three days in a row... Variety is the key to the spice of life! LOL!

I forgot to mention that my friend that went with me is now an official Rio fanatic. He talks about going back to Rio 10X's more than I do! Thanks again for your good review on my report.

Cheers,

Y & R

Vinni100
01-11-05, 01:24
Any one else there up for getting your game faces on and enjoying Rio?Count me in for March 2005! :)

Vitor97
01-11-05, 03:53
I have been to brazil twice in Decemember, I was dating a brazilian so I couldnt take full advantage, but how is the weather like there in March-April, I want to have a trip like you Y & R, I couldnt agree more, great post, almost story like.

JoshJosh69
01-11-05, 17:46
My last trip to Rio was right smack in the middle of July. Everything is the same, however, at times the weather can be a little crappy. This last July it rained a couple of times and I had to go to Rio Sul to buy some colder weather clothes. Everything else is the same however, there are always plenty of women and the termas are always open. July is fine and I would do it again.

Vinni100
01-11-05, 20:54
The cool thing about dating a Brasilian is you have a free place to stay with every visit and you can still go out to eat everynight. The girl I was with for two years seemed pretty cool at first and then her family came into the picture. I bought all kinds of things that weren't for me. Although, I must say they were nice people. I haven't seen this girl in over a year.

When I date another brasilian, I am only paying for dinner.

Fartknocker
01-11-05, 21:22
There is no telling what that girl was up to. She might have met one (or all) of those three guys while we were apart for a few seconds at the Nuth and they could have slipped there phone number to her. I don't really know, but like I've said before it's not easy for me to trust people that I meet in Rio. It can be hard to read people there, because most of them seem genuinely sincere, but then again you never know...

Your Paulista might have just invited a few friends along for a free night out on the gringo. I've had gf's do this to me often enough to where I stopped getting annoyed. Usually this particular Brazilian scam-lite takes the form of one, or at most two, friends getting themselves invited along. These friends are normally female, but the occasional male/female couple will wind up getting an invite from the gf. Often in Brazil the richest guy at the table will pay the check, so these invitees are happy to come along in the hopes that you will do the same.

The whole reason behind this nonsense is "status". Until you understand the Brazilian status system and its pervasiveness, you can never really understand these people. I can't claim that I fully get it, but I usually know that it is at work when I see it. Friends getting invited along unexpectedly often is the result of a status play on the part of your gf. She gets a status bump from dating a rich American/European, and you and her both get a bump if you shell out for dinner and drinks for all her friends. This puts her higher on the status food chain, which can eventually lead to association with other people of similar status and the increased social and financial opportunities those connections bring.

Most of this seems completely insane to Americans. People will debate whether or not the US is really a meritocracy, but Americans at least BELIEVE that it is. We generally feel the way to get ahead is to work hard, be smart, innovate, and seize opportunities when they become available. Brazilians see personal connections as the way to get ahead. You find someone who is already rich and powerful and ride the wave behind their motor yacht.

Anyway, that's a long explaination for a theory that might not even have be right, but I'd bet I'm at least partially right. She made a pretty big error dragging three guys along, though. Most American men are a bit standoffish to go for that. If she had invited a couple of girlfriends along, she probably would have gotten away with it.

Pyjama
01-11-05, 23:59
No action, no nude girls, sorry! Just two normal girls walking by in downtown Rio. What a difference. And for my taste even the slim girl's bunda is a bit fat and out of shape.

Snooky
01-12-05, 06:30
Most of this seems completely insane to Americans. People will debate whether or not the US is really a meritocracy, but Americans at least BELIEVE that it is. We generally feel the way to get ahead is to work hard, be smart, innovate, and seize opportunities when they become available. Brazilians see personal connections as the way to get ahead. You find someone who is already rich and powerful and ride the wave behind their motor yacht.

It's the same way here in the US. Hard work and innovation only take you so far. It's who you know, who you trust, who trusts you that takes you over the top and offers you the opportunities to seize.

Young & Restless
01-12-05, 16:40
Your description of your adventures in Rio has been like a Roller Coaster ride …I have laughed…got angry…felt sadness…excitement ...horny … even scared sometimes, like a dramatic soap opera unraveling episode by episode. You are tha man!!!

I truly have to congratulate you for perhaps the best post I have read in this forum. As with any excellent drama I was left asking for more and some questions floating in the air:

1. You found out why the Paulista got so mad with you? Have you kept in contact with her? and with the Carioca? I think you should you never know when those relationships may become handy.

2. What type of job has the Carioca? What about the Paulista? I don’t mean ... .

Respin05,

Wow! I see that I did leave out a few things after all. Ok, for your questions:

1) The only reason that the Paulista was mad is because I changed my mind about going out with her at the last minute, because she invited those three guys that I did not know. As crazy as this may sound, I have kept in touch with both the Carioca and the Paulista. I emailed the Paulista a few days after I got back and since then we have emailed each other and talk on the phone whenever convenient. I have also spoke with and emailed the Carioca many times too. Whenever I make it back to Brazil, I'll definitely hook-up with one (or both... hehehe) of these girls again.

2) The Carioca is a nail technician and goes to school at night. The Paulista works in an office as an administrator/translator. Both girls still live at home.

3) I was surprised at how many people have PM'd me asking for Guilherme's contact info. I emailed him right when I got back to tell him thanks for his hospitality during this trip and reminded him to send me the link to his web site like we discussed while I was in Brazil. He hasn't responded yet, but I am going to send him another email to let him know that some of you guys are interested in meeting with him. You will be glad that you decided to meet up with Guilherme. Extremely cool guy.

4) I know this is going to sound pretty inconsiderate of me, but I never gave anything to Guilherme to show my appreciation. Really the only opportunity that I had to offer a token of my appreciation on this most recent trip would been to have paid for the beer that night at the kiosk. Next time I think it would be cool to invite him to go to Centaurus, my treat.

Your right, up until that night I've never been to the Lapa district at night. Not that I would expect any of my local friends to have my back if a fight broke out, but they would at least try to keep both of us out of trouble and he would certainly be better at defusing a bad situation than I would.

I wish that I could have helped out Corey better than I did, but after I walked back to Help and offered to negotiate with the girl that he was with, he declined. Looking back... we should have set a time to leave, before we got there. That way all deals would have been made before leaving and everyone would have left at the same time. Thankfully, nothing too bad happened that night.

Good luck and have fun on your next trip,

Y & R

Young & Restless
01-12-05, 17:23
Your Paulista might have just invited a few friends along for a free night out on the gringo. I've had gf's do this to me often enough to where I stopped getting annoyed. Usually this particular Brazilian scam-lite takes the form of one, or at most two, friends getting themselves invited along. These friends are normally female, but the occasional male/female couple will wind up getting an invite from the gf. Often in Brazil the richest guy at the table will pay the check, so these invitees are happy to come along in the hopes that you will do the same....

Fartknocker,

That's a pretty interesting perspective. That could have been what she was up to, but her biggest mistake (like you said) was inviting guys instead of girls.

I have read before that status ratings are so important to Brazilians. Again though, if that's what her intentions were that night she really planned it out poorly. It still amazes me that she did that on my last night there...

Y & R

Vinni100
01-12-05, 20:35
It's the same way here in the US. Hard work and innovation only take you so far. It's who you know, who you trust, who trusts you that takes you over the top and offers you the opportunities to seize.In the simplest terms that is correct. However, as Fartknocker pointed out, these people ride on the coat tails of others. The two concepts are totally different. We get ahead here in America with both hard work and business contacts. In Rio, most of them have no idea what that means and they are looking for a hand-out.

Rio Regular
01-13-05, 16:27
Will anyone be in Rio next week? I'd love to find a wingman to go out with. PM me if you will be in town.

RR

Spidy
01-13-05, 17:05
Oh Boy where do I start....

Was looking forward to mongering in one of my favorite places on the planet, but it was not to be unfortunately.

Arrived from Sao Paulo (Dec 15th 2004) by bus after a 6 hour ride and headed for Copacabana to a prearranged apartment with a friend of mine currently living in Buzios/Cabo Frio. We were both looking forward to a good HELP fix (like two crack-cocaine addicts) and drooling over the beautiful women to be found there.

Well much to our disappointment the girls were rude, of lower quality (than previous years) and quick to quote you a price of R$350 after meeting you for two minutes. Even the girls that were butt-ugly quoted me R$350.

What was even worse was the atmosphere at HELP is terrible. It gotten so bad, the girls cannot even sit on a guy’s lap. THIS IS CRAZY!! No really, several times I saw the bouncers (security) tell the girls to get up or would give the girls the wagging finger, as if to say this is a “No No”. Since when in Brazil can’t girls sit on a guy’s lap. They scrutinize a lot of the physical touching that goes on and are basically telling the girls how to behave. THIS IS NUTS!!

If I wanted to have non-physical, non groping encounters with women, I would have stayed home and watched a good Buttman porno.

The quality at places like HELP, Meia Pattaca, Barbarellas and other similar type locations in Copacabana, in our opinion had gotten worse. Maybe it was because it was just Christmas season and this is a low time of year. Cant't say for sure, but personally I think its getting worse.

The only thing saving Rio (from this monger's extinction list) is the termas and Vila Mimosa. Having said that, there is still a lot Rio has to offer but you just may have to look else where, other than Copacabana.

I've been going to Rio since 1990, so I know what places like HELP were like in their hay day and today's scene is a far cry from those days. But I´ll say this much "THIS ARE A CHANGING IN BRAZIL" for mongers. I see this all over Brazil, from Manaus to Rio. So enjoy this times while you still can!!!

Ciao
Spidy

Vinni100
01-13-05, 19:06
Hey dude! I have found the same thing regarding Help. The atmosphere is definately dissintegrating. Help will learn its lesson only after revenues have dropped off the map.

I also can't stand some skank asking for some un-Godly amount of money for sex. I just ignore them. Young and pretty girls.....thats me. Even if I have to wait a day, I'll not settle.

I used to love Monte Carlo, but even that place has some dreggs. On the other hand, I am hearing "Balcony Bar" attracts alot of the trade. I haven't been there due to last time I was in Rio I was dating a girl and we only went to resturants, beach and some nights Mabs.

Eventually, when a "hot spot" becomes a place to go, the girls AND us mongers will follow suit. I still find girls at the beach. Not sure why. I'm pretty laid back and I'm not pushy. I even asked a mother if I could have dinner with her daughter. This was in Cabo Frio 4 years ago. The girl was 20 and mom was around 45ish. I had dinner with the girl and one of her girlfriends. Didn't go home with her, but we made out AND she wasn't a professional. Now that was cool!!! Things like this happen for me if I am not too eager :)

Bubba Boy
01-13-05, 20:18
You have to remember that this is the time leading up to Carnaval and hence the girl/guy ratio is moving towards the girls favour. Not a great time to visit. Carnal is first week of feb this year, earlier than usual.

Ezinho
01-13-05, 20:22
"THINGS ARE A CHANGING IN BRAZIL" for mongers. I see this all over Brazil, from Manaus to Rio. So enjoy this times while you still can!!!How are things "a changing" in your opinion? Like I said in a previous post, I think a lot of the best looking girls are just leaving and moving to Europe, but do you think there are other factors at play as well? (i.e. better economy in Brasil so more job opportunities, crackdown by LE, value of the Euro going up, etc.) Anyone have any thoughts?

Young & Restless
01-14-05, 16:41
Y&R,

I would have also blown off that girl also if she showed up with 3 GUY friends on your last night. You never know what thier intensions are. I don't have a problem with meeting a girlfriends friends, but I wouldn't want to be outnumbered 4 to 1. Especially if I had just met the girl.

I would be the first one to break a nose or bust a lip if things started to happen...

GoRio,

I'd like to think I did the right thing anyway. At that point, I already had my fill of adventure ...

When it comes to trusting Brazilians, I don't want to give anyone the wrong idea, because I've met several Brazilians that I consider to be very good friends and I stay in touch with them even while I am here in the U.S.

You may be right about Brazil having the same ratio of honest vs. dishonest people as other countries in the world. It's just been from my own personal experiences that extra caution is necessary in Brazil.

Have fun on your trip in March and let us know how you make out!

Y & R

Hojo
01-16-05, 01:29
Oh Boy where do I start....

Was looking forward to mongering in one of my favorite places on the planet, but it was not to be unfortunately.
Well much to our disappointment the girls were rude, of lower quality (than previous years) and quick to quote you a price of R$350 after meeting you for two minutes. Even the girls that were butt-ugly quoted me R$350.

Spidy

It seem to me that 90% of the girls working at HELP now are the same girls I have been seeing there for the past 5 years. I would hypothesize the low quality girls Spidy refers to are not low quality girls that have just recently started working at HELP, but are the same girls that have been there all this time. They are just getting older and more hardened. I try to target the fresh 10% I have not seen before. This is just a thought.

Pop till you drop,
hojo

Cachorro
01-16-05, 08:15
Y & R, thanks for your report, it was very enjoyable to read.

With the taxi driver that made up stories about you... it's possible he said something even while you were in the taxi. Orgy in Portuguese is suruba, and for sure there are other expressions too (just as in English we could use tag team, gang bang etc). A lot of Brazilians speak only in slang.

Festinha is a gentle code word that's been borrowed from the regular language. Like the word "escort", whose true meaning is obviously much different to "have this girl come round to my place where I'll fuck her until she goes cross eyed". A festinha means literally a small party -- if you mentioned this word to everyday Brazilians they'd most likely imagine a small gathering of friends, drinking and cooking some food.

Congratulations on doing the double date thing with the two non-pro's. We all know that's difficult to pull off, but a real pleasure when it works out right.

Vinni100
01-16-05, 19:15
Remember guys. There are numerous girls that turn 18 everyday in Rio. :)

Photo55
01-17-05, 02:03
Sorry I don't have the link but was in the science section. Basically says that Brazilians are getting FAT. And well having visited the country over the last 6 years I would have to agree. I was shocked at some of the beachs around Rio and Sao Paulo, I mean just full of fatties. same problem the rest of the world but as the article noted, Brazilians only rank behind the US in per capita sugar consumption, ie, a lot of fatties being created.

So given that (an assumption here) most of the chicks in HELP are from the lower end of the socio economic class they are likely the ones pushing out (there is an inverse relationship between fat and wealth as often the richer folks eat better and have better education around food). SO I would surmise that the hey days of hot brazilians girls is going to get a bit squeezed (no pun intended).

Girlfinder
01-28-05, 23:41
Being a novice maybe, I ask: Can we survice only with English here?

I cannot spanish, do I get a lot of problems meeting younger girls you think?

By the way, if someone can rate Brazil compared to Thailand, Indonesia and Philippines I would be grateful!

Thanx.

Mr Books
01-29-05, 16:29
The whole reason behind this nonsense is "status". Until you understand the Brazilian status system and its pervasiveness, you can never really understand these people. I can't claim that I fully get it, but I usually know that it is at work when I see it. Friends getting invited along unexpectedly often is the result of a status play on the part of your gf. She gets a status bump from dating a rich American/European, and you and her both get a bump if you shell out for dinner and drinks for all her friends. This puts her higher on the status food chain, which can eventually lead to association with other people of similar status and the increased social and financial opportunities those connections bring.

Most of this seems completely insane to Americans. People will debate whether or not the US is really a meritocracy, but Americans at least BELIEVE that it is. We generally feel the way to get ahead is to work hard, be smart, innovate, and seize opportunities when they become available. Brazilians see personal connections as the way to get ahead. You find someone who is already rich and powerful and ride the wave behind their motor yacht.Not to become Homo Academicus with the group, but this is known in social science theories as "symbolic capital". And yes, even we as Americans are known to play this game. People with photos of themselves shaking hands with the President or better yet, having his number on our cell phone. Taking a friend to dinner with Donald Trump or Tiger Woods or Warren Buffett or Angelina Jolie. Or DATING Angelina Jolie. Ask Kevin Federline how much he gained in 'status' by marrying Britney Spears, though her star is (hopefully) fading. Those things make a difference in the 'status' of a person even here in the US.

The next part of this theory involves being able to convert this symbolic capital into economic capital. Invite Joe to dinner so maybe we can be friends and I am one degree of separation closer to Bill Gates. Perhaps the friends will introduce her to other locals because she can "get us closer to Americans with money."

BTW, GREAT story Y&R!

Spidy
02-03-05, 16:55
Sorry about the dely guys, I am currently in Fortaleza and have found it very difficult to connect to the forum from Fortaleza. (Call me paranoid, but it almost feels like this site is being blocked from Fortaleza. Or maybe Jackson (WSG) has been performing maintenance lately?). This is the first time I´ve been able post/read the forum since I've been in Fortaleza since January 12th, 2005.

Currently a big crackdown here in Fortaleza and they blame and target alot of the tourists for the child porn and escalation in sex tourism. Yet another example how things are changing, and not just in Rio.

Will try go into examples later. As I am still enjoying my time here and will post replies later.

Ciao
Spidy

Champagne Boy
02-05-05, 02:00
Hello!

I have followed this and the Argentinan forum for some time (mostly the photo-section..hehe ;) ) and have now decided to go on a trip to the two countries. Well, to be honest, not only for women, but alot for the nature aswell. But hey, nature is better seen together with a woman.

I basicly know where to go to find nice girls to pay for, and more or less some clubs for freebees, but I wondered if any of you guys know a good site for meeting women? Normal chat-boards or dating-sites, like lycoos in France. Not the one you have to pay 200$ for every reply you want to make to a girl. I'm going in 2-3 month so I wanted to be prepared and maybe find some nice friends down there.

Any tip would be much appriciated!

Oh, pardon my spelling, but it's in the middle of the night and I'm dead tired... =)

Gladiator
02-05-05, 22:46
Spidy,

It's not only from Fortaleza, apparently there have been some technical problems with the forum and it's failing on and off so we can't get into it at times.

Anyway, don't forget to give us an update on Fortaleza, I'm considering visiting it later in the year but if the crackdown has fucked up the scene I'd better go somewhere else. Please let us know what the situation is like.

Thanks,

Lover Boy #2
02-10-05, 08:15
Test, test, test.....Jackson, there is something seriously wrong with the forum....this is the first time I could get in for 3 weeks. A lot of guys are on Banker's forum and are very concerned. Is everything OK? What is going on?

Carlos Primeros
02-15-05, 11:26
I am just now in Rio and was venturing Rua Atlantica.

Balcony: mostly dark-skinned girls, not the very best, asking price for TLN 150 - 200 Real
Meia Pataca: good mixture, afternoon hunting ground 4-7 pm. asking price 200 Real
Sobre as Ondas/ front of Help: good mixture, had a very nice pick-up programa for 2 hours todo completa for 150 Real.
Wen on Saturday to L´uomo. This is the only terma which is open on Saturdays. 7 pm. 15 girls from 6 - 8. With some drinks, 40 minutes programa and entry-fee 235 Real. The girls are quality. All in all I spent almost 3 hours there.

The Dollar went up, I got from the Dolleiros 2,68 Real to the Dollar. It was before around 2,50 Real only.

Planned to go to Fortaleza but the flights are pretty full and pretty expensive. Will go instead fishing at Angra dos Reis.

Security in Rio: not too bad if you are careful. Only a Swedish couple was robbed of 1800 Real by the local police. Two Germans with no ID at a dico were extoreted again by the local police of 500 Real each to let them go.
But this is the usual; that happens in every large city in this world.

Carlos

Bravo
02-16-05, 02:45
I am just now in Rio and was venturing Rua Atlantica.

Balcony: mostly dark-skinned girls, not the very best, asking price for TLN 150 - 200 Real.

Meia Pataca: good mixture, afternoon hunting ground 4-7 pm. asking price 200 Real
Sobre as Ondas/ front of Help: good mixture, had a very nice pick-up programa for 2 hours todo completa for 150 Real.

Went on Saturday to L´uomo. This is the only terma which is open on Saturdays. 7 pm. 15 girls from 6 - 8. With some drinks, 40 minutes programa and entry-fee 235 Real. The girls are quality. All in all I spent almost 3 hours there.

The Dollar went up, I got from the Dolleiros 2,68 Real to the Dollar. It was before around 2,50 Real only.

Planned to go to Fortaleza but the flights are pretty full and pretty expensive. Will go instead fishing at Angra dos Reis.

Security in Rio: not too bad if you are careful. Only a Swedish couple was robbed of 1800 Real by the local police. Two Germans with no ID at a disco were extoreted again by the local police of 500 Real each to let them go.

But this is the usual; that happens in every large city in this world.

CarlosWhat were the couple from Sweden and the two German guys doing that they paid money to the police? One thing I have tried to stress over and over again to mongers is that your greatest weapon against extortion is claiming that you do not speak portugese! Just keep repeating over and over again "I dont understand, I dont speak portugese".

A friend of mine who happens to be a police officer in Copa was the one who gave me this advice. The police officers do not want to "rob" you, they are not going to physically TAKE money from you, Instead, what they want, is for you to OFFER the money as a bribe. As long as you know you are not breaking any law, there is no reason for you to have to pay one centavo. Eventually, they will just get annoyed and send you on your way.

Carlos Primeros
02-17-05, 12:17
The two German guys did not have their passports with them when the dico was hit by a Blitz and the Swedish couple was simply robbed at gun-point. The robbers (two police officers of the PM) were identified and aprehended afterwards.

Menioning this is only to highlight that the police here is full of crooks and expect the worst. But this does not apply to Brazil alone and it should not deter you comming here. Simply exercise caution. You are also not running around in NY with your pockets full of money

Carlos

Carlos Primeros
02-17-05, 12:42
I was laying at the beach yesterday oposite to the Othon Copa Hotel when I met a woman, around 30, fake blond, face like Ciciolina but a # 10 body. We got talking and she told me that she was working as a dancer in one of the Rio Samba Shows but has lost her job now because the was getting older and the show wants junger faces.

The day drew on and after a few drinks she started telling me how she loves me. One hour later she already had CARLOS tatooted (henna) below her belly buttom telling me that this is the first time she had a man´s name tatooted on here - forgetting that the had JOHN tatooted on here left ankle.

Anyhow - at around 4 p.m. we went to Meia Pataka to get a bite to eat and afterwards we went to my hotel.

After taking a shower she wanted to be completely shaved. OK with me but this shaving took approx. 20 minutes as she really got a kick out of it. Even after not a single hair was left, she contined with the shaving blade.

Wisely I took a VITAMINE A pill. After approx. 1 hour licking and fucking she got out of bed, went to the mini-bar and took one of the Cinzano bottels, opened it, drank a little bit, and then pured the rest of it into her pussy. Her comment was that this would sweeten everyting.

After another one hour I could not stand any more - literally -. She did not have engough and asked if she could call for a girl from one of the agencies. She even had a selection of agency numbers with here and called 2 agencies to find out if they could deliver immediately a girl which attends woman and is active. Anyhow, within 10 minutes the girl arrived at the hotel. My hotel did not let the girl in so we had to move to the Hotel Lido - which is only one block away and which is a low-key love hotel. I paid 40 Real for the room and 100 for the girl. The agency girl was pitch-dark but nice. Anyhow - I had then my best ever lesbian show with interludes getting my stud involved.

Dear reader - can you imagine a woman fucking for 4 hours with just a little break? Without the help of the black agency girl I would be dead by now.

Then my new girlfriend asked me if she could sleep in my hotel-room but I told here that I need my rest for now and theat we should meet tomorrow for a photo - session. I paid her 150 real. Shen then invited me to a small place where the hookers are normally going to eat when they have to pay for themselves. It was a hole in the wall, but the food was surprisingly good and the complete meal was only 5 real. Before we parted she gave me her phone-number and agreed to meet me tomorrow.

To be continued

Carlos

Java Man
02-17-05, 22:14
Carlos:
What's the name/location of the hole in the wall restaurant the garota took you?

Mack Dad
02-20-05, 15:40
Who is in Rio this weekend? I am here till Monday. Anybody want to share war stories over some caparihanas. Hit me up on PM.

Macgoo
02-21-05, 00:11
Damn, that Carlos is one Serendipitous Canine!!!!!!!!

Vinnie01
02-24-05, 21:32
Just returned from a week in Rio.

I met up with two friends both from the States. One was a virgin and the other his third visit.

I have the luxury of visiting Rio, Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires and Santiago six times a year and this started in 2000.

It was the week after Carnival and there were a lot of girls in town especially from Sao Paulo.

We hit Centuarus, Luomo, Franks, Barbarellas and Help.

Although there are times in the past that I have seen the talent at Help take a sizable step downward. This was not the case this week.

We went to Luomo three times and the girls are still very friendly, affectionate and provide great service.

Centuarus, a little higher quality but attitude and service is starting to resemble Barbarellas. From the amount of men coming in that night, their business has not been hurt by their attitude. I have always found a friendly girl there but I noticed that there were few.

Franks, medium quality of girls, IMHO between 5-7.5. Same sex show and entrance fee. I believe that with Barbarellas 50 yards away that most of the 8-10 work at Bs.

Barbarellas, First let me state that it was Sunday night. However, we came in around 11:00 PM. Most of the girls were actually rolling in the same time. I watched 10-15 girls come in after we sat down.

There were still about a 2-1 ratio of girls to guys but the top choices were hooked up within minutes of them hitting the floor. Two 9s came in, put their bags in the back room and both were snatched as they walked back into the club.

We ordered one coke, one pineapple juice, one red bull and had four ounces of Vodka and the tab was 292 R. That included their entrance fee.

Well, the talent was not that overwhelming so we paid and went to Help.

Help! Well we there three nights and had great experiences all three nights.
The girls were extremely friendly and abundant. The were more people there then I have ever seen. The ratio was about 6 girls to 4 men.

My two friends in two nights scored four of five girls from Sao Paulo who were sharing a room in the city. I am not a frequent visitor of Help but must say it was the best place to play this week.

Adickt
02-25-05, 06:03
Phot 55 said last month that a NYtimes article said,"Brazilians are getting fat". Well, I just returned from my 7th straight winter vacation to Rio and other spots, and I believe it's true.

Over the last 5 years I have seen the beach and MP, lose the 8's 9's and 10's. HELP quality has fallen as well. Now it seems like the termas are starting to be affected. It seems to take longer now to find what I want. Don't get me wrong, I still believe that Brasil is still the best place for GFE. Futhermore, anybody can still find what they want, many times over. If you are like me and like the model types, it just takes more looking. I am of the opinion that Sao Paulo has more top quality garotes than Rio. It's just more fun in Rio.

Now I am starting to plan my summertime shorter trip to German FKK Clubs. Very similiar to the termas. I love those legs on the eastern european girls like I love those tight bunda's on the brazalada's (SP?). Pure sex, such as CIM is of professional porno quality in the FKK's.

I did have a great time in Rio. I left right before carnival. I hear it gets very expensive during that period.

I always go with the intend to experience a ton of girls, but end up with a "girlfriend", after 10 or so. This year, I found my true love in front of the Alcazar at about noon during my second week. She even took my dirty underware home to wash it for me. Absolute part-timer with a real job trying to support her mother and 14 year old sister. All the out of copa termas had a few 8's and 9's still. Seems to be more and more fat in the termas, especially 4 by 4 IMHO.

Cachorro
02-25-05, 17:09
For anyone in Rio this weekend.

Sunday afternoon there'll be a free concert by Rio's favourite son, Zeca Pagodinho. It's at the Aterro do Flamengo from 15h00 or 16h00 this Sunday. Aterro do Flamengo is the beachside park in Flamengo (near Porcao).

Condo Tom
02-25-05, 23:53
I'll be traveling next Month. It will be my first trip there. Looking for anyone else who may be there the same time to explore the opportunities.

Carlos Primeros
02-27-05, 00:04
Hi,

I was reading the same stupid article in the NYTimes - what are the obese Americans say about it? Mia noiva was laughing about this article. She eats whatever she wants, is 34 years old and has 100 pounds. The Brazilians do not snack as the Americans do!!!

For sure there are also fat Brazilians - but got to the Termas - do you find one girls which is fat there? You and I want to hobby - I do not wnat to hobby with a grils wihich has 200 pounds! If they want my money they better are in shape!

For sure the Brzilian women have a BUNDA, but that is what I like and that is the reason why I am there. I love it and I will love the Brazilian women forever- eo gosto as bundas!!!

Chiao

Carlos

Sun Seeker
03-02-05, 21:23
I made my fourth trip to Rio in January, this time spending nine days there.

On my first night I went to Luomo. Great selection of girls who are all really friendly and flirty. I found a really sexy girl who gave a top performance in the cabine. Later I hung out in the bar area flirting with the girls and watching the show.

Later on Saturday night I went to Barbarella’s. It was the first time I had been there and having read mixed reviews I was curious to see what it was like. The entrance fee of 60reals includes two drinks. I arrived early to ensure that I didn’t miss any really hot girls but overall the quality was fairly average and I didn’t see anyone who really appealed to me. The girls I spoke to seemed rather unenthusiastic. Having just arrived in Rio I was feeling fairly jet-lagged so decided to leave early.

On Monday I went back to Luomo with the intention of seeing another girl who I had spoken to the previous night, but on arrival my cabine girl from the previous night latched onto me and since she was really pleased to see me I didn’t wait around for the other girl. Performance in the cabine was even better than the previous night.

Later on Sunday I went to Help. It was packed but there was a very poor male/female ratio, perhaps 1:1. The quality of the girls was terrible, both in looks and attitude. Asking prices were crazy, the first girl I chatted to quoted me an amount in pounds sterling (100GBP or 500 reals) if I wanted to see whether she had silicon implants. I declined the offer. There were perhaps 5 girls who I would consider to be really hot, most of whom I recognised as regulars (one is the girl with dark hair, slightly oriental eyes, large silicon implants, who always sits in front of the dance floor near the main entrance). In the end I bumped into a really nice girl that I spent some time with in November and we agreed 200 reals to go back to my hotel.

On Monday I went to Centaurus. The selection of girls was really terrible, again in both looks and attitude. I hung around for quite a while looking for a girl who appealed but in the end gave up. Having managed to negotiate with the front desk to only pay the entrance fee on arrival, I decided to cut my losses and leave without anything more.

On Tuesday I went to Solarium. Great selection of ladies, both in attitude and looks. I love the way the girls dance in front of the full length wall mirror. I picked a really hot girl from Sao Paulo, great performance in the cabine.

On Wednesday due to rain all day I decided to go to 4x4 which opens at 2pm. I arrived at about 2:30pm, and there were very few customers but a reasonable number of girls. One girl latched onto me and I was happy to chat to her while I appraised the other girls as they arrived, but in the end I decided she was the hottest one there so we went to a cabine. Performance was fantastic. Afterwards, as it was still early and raining outside I decided to hang around in the bar area a bit longer. By about 4pm most of the girls had arrived but there were still not many customers. After 5pm it really starts filling up with customers, mostly locals who have just left work. The girls put on a great strip show on the centre stage. I took another girl to a cabine but this time the performance was very dissappointing..

On Thursday it was again raining all day so I again went to 4x4. Saw the first girl from the previous night, how could I resist, and performance in the cabine was outstanding.

On Friday I went to Solarium. Again great selection of girls. I picked a girl who I had spoken to on my previous visit. Performance in the cabine was superb.

Later on Friday I thought I would give Barbarella’s one more try. This time the selection was much better with a few really hot girls. I passed on a few girls who offered short time for 250reals. The really hot girls seemed fairly disinterested, they didn’t seem to want to talk to anyone for very long, and spent more time dancing on the stage (perhaps they are just dancers and not P4P?). In Barbarella’s I think it helps if there are two or more of you because then the waiters put you on the tables near the dance floor, and the girls think they can join your table in more of a party atmosphere where they can bleed you for drinks. In the end I gave up and left.

On Saturday I went to Luomo. Fortunately on arrival I saw the girl I had spoken to but not sessioned with the previous Saturday. So I made up for lost time and we took a cabine, and she was yet another girl who gave great performance in the cabine. Afterwards I hung around in the bar and saw the girl who I had already sessioned with the previous Saturday and Monday. Well how could I resist, so we took a cabine and this time performance was even better which I didn’t think would be possible.

On my final night I went to Solarium and saw the girl I had seen on Friday. She had just spent the afternon at final rehearsal for Carnival samba dancing. Really great GFE, I felt quite deflated leaving there, knowing that it was back to Blighty for me the next day.

So overall, nine nights and seven girls, of whom six gave fantastic performance and only one was a disappointment. As has been mentioned on this board many times before but especially by Saint, the Brazilian termas really are superb institution. In general the terma girls really like what they do and you can have a great time just hanging out in the termas flirting with the girls. When you do take a girl to a cabine the performance is generally mind-blowing. Most of the girls gave me their phone number to arrange after work hotel visits or trips to the beach and gave a real GFE.

I am planning to go back to Rio at Easter for a minimum of 5 nights. Does anyone know what Rio is like over Easter, do the termas close on Good Friday?

Many thanks to Jackson for all your work to get the forum up and running again, it was greatly missed while it was away and is an hugely valuable resource.

Exec Talent
03-03-05, 09:17
Sun Seeker,

Enjoyed reading your report, but it would have been much better had you included a few names or additional descriptions. You seem to do exactly what I do, which is to ask the girls I see to write down their names and numbers. All seem willing to work outside the Termas, plus it gives you a good little black book for when you return to Rio. In addition to the names, I write a little description so I can keep the girls straight. Also helps when reporting on WSG.

Young & Restless
03-03-05, 17:03
Sun Seeker,

Good report on Rio. What time did you go to Centaurus on Monday? I usually get there between 5:30 and 6:30 and never had any problems finding a beauty. I guess every place can have an off-day though.

I think you hit the nail on the head with what you said about Barbarella. I noticed a group of guys that had a big table next to the dance floor also, with the cream of the crop setting with them. Also, like you said, the finest women in there appeared very disinterested. I think you're better of spending your time on girl that shows you some initiative and not the other way around, even if she is really hot.

Sorry I can't give you any feedback on Rio during Easter time, but Solarium should be open during any public holiday. On my last trip, they were open on a holiday when all (or most) of the others were closed.

Good luck,

Y & R

Sun Seeker
03-03-05, 22:46
Young & Restless,

I went to Centaurus at 4:30 on Monday and stayed for a couple of hours. On my last trip to Rio in November I went to Centaurus twice, on both occasions I waited ages until I found a hot girl and had a great time. Having said that, I think that Centaurus is just not worth the price premium over other termas.

Exec Talent,

Point taken, I hesitated to publish girls names and descriptions in consideration of their privacy, but since they are obviously not their real names and this forum is for the sharing of useful information, here goes:

Luomo Saturday and Sunday: Carla, brunette, back in Rio for Christmas and carnival before returning to work in Madrid.

Solarium Tuesday: Moniki, brunette from Sao Paulo, large natural chest, in Rio for a few months before going to work in Spain.

4x4 Wednesday and Thursday: Diana (pronounced Giana), tall and slim, very big eyes, brunette hair tied up into pony tail on top.

4x4 Wednesday: Sandy, mousey brown hair, petite

Solarium Friday and Sunday: Juliana, brunette, looks like Poco Hontas.
Luomo Saturday: Karina, long brunette hair, quite tall and slim.

Lorenz Mi
03-06-05, 04:24
Hello friends,

I´m still in Rio :-) and have some news.

For sure, termas are the best place to spend some hours during the late afternoon in Rio.

I tested Luomo, Solarium and 4x4: all very nice but the place I prefer is Luomo.

Few hours ago (7 p.m.) I have been there for the second time and was unbeliaveble the atmophere: nice music, bars, tens of interesting girls and many really wonderfull ones. please note that for wonderfull I mean girls that can have the first page on Playboy, Playmate or similar.

I sow many place in the world but is not possible to explain what is termas in Rio: You have only to be there to understand ...

I was looking for one, when arrived a gilr that is exactly what everyone think about a carioca girl: blonde, tall, nice breasts and incredible "bunda"!

ok, She was immediately pick up from onther man (less than 20 seconds) but I contacted her saying I was waiting for her ... not so much, 45 minutes.

Then We stay 20 min on sofa, drinking, strongly skissing and playing (her) with my dick: ooh my god!

Later 40+40 minutes in cabine and You know what I speaking about.

Tomorrow morning should (maybe since brazilian gilrs can say everything and do the opposite) came in my hotel to have some fun and then to go the Ipanema beach.
I'll report.

About other places, everyone has his opinion but, for example, I don´t like so much Copa area since Ipanama district is a very top class place: bars, restourants with very high class design and ambient!

For example, I had a look in Mai Pataca bar and Help disco and my personal opinion Is that are many many levels under termas.

At the end, for sure Rio is the best place in the world for many reasons: after had been in Rio could be very difficult to organize different holiday, ok, speaking about single mas: I suggest to the merried friends to don´t came in Rio if their are not masochist!

Ciao

Vampyr
03-06-05, 23:17
Sun Seeker, Great report on the termas. Did you have any hotel action on your trip? and how much do you think you spent on your 9 day trip(girls, food, hotel)?

J Wadd
03-07-05, 11:45
Hiya, guys:

Check out my posts in the Photo Gallery section.

Enjoy,
JW

Bonhead
03-07-05, 19:34
I was in town a few weeks back and wanted to report on my experiences.

Help: Compared to 3 years ago, the quality of Help has shown a notable decrease in quality (each time I've visted Rio was post-Carnaval March/April time). I will not generalize and would like to say that it is very possible that my recent experiences here can be attributed to post-Carnaval downtime. Of dismay to me was that some of the stunners from yesteryear are still right there plowing their trade, looking as weathered as an overworked mule. Not dissapointed that they are still there at Help, but dissapointed that they are looking pretty haggardly and still haven't moved on to the next stage their trade... From this, I will deduce that quality intake of fresh talent has been low, thereby resulting in low turnover regardless of how dated the girls look. Indeed there were a handful of very good looking girls, fresh faces and sexy bodies--the only problem was demand for them was high resulting in outrageous prices (>300R).

Another major aggravation, I know I'll be flamed for this, but it seems the entire monger scene has been flooded by Europeans, especially Italians. I have nothing against Italians or Europeans per se (I've lived in Europe for three years France & Italy), but current economic conditions of Euro vs Dollar vs Real make me cringe at the thought of having to "outbid" the Italianos for some good pussy. A part of me just wishes not only the Italianos, but all the mongers except for myself and the local Brasilearos would allow me to enjoy Rio for a month alone... ahhhhh one can only dream.

Anyway, back to the story. If you are strictly in town for mongering and have no local friends to show you around, consider Help ground zero during your stay here. But you have MANY other options...

Centaurus: I always indulge in Centuras just once towards the end of my stay in Rio so I can leave with a smile on my face. This time was no different from my other experiences here. Prices have gone up about 20-30R total from what I remember. It is now 90R entry, billed right away as you enter, and 220R for the girl including cabine (total 310R). Super-suites I think cost 100R extra. On a Saturday evening there must have been approximately 50-80 girls here. Quality was good--many 8's and even a few 9's. But I cannot recall a single 10. I spent 2-3 hours drinking, shooting the breeze and sizing up the girls. Eventually I settled on a 28yo, caramel skinned morena who goes by Shakira. She had an absolutely amazing ass (amazing enough to be able to distinguish her from 90% of the girls there), flat stomach and was by and large, very pretty. She had a awesome personality to boot. Wait for about 20-25 minutes for a room to open up; in the meantime I take a shower and get a relaxing massage from her. Upstairs the action was incredible and she put on a great performance. Shocking, but this was the first time I had a termas girl toss my salad--took me by surprise. Anal was okay by her, but I blew my load before I could circumnavigate her alternate orifices. Exhausted beyond belief, we spent the next 10 mins just laying around talking.

L'uomo: Spent a Saturday evening here. Got there at 3:30p and was told they don't open till 4p so I went back outside and grabbed a drink at one of the shack/bars downstairs outside of the shopping center (yes for those who have never been here, L'uomo is located inside a shopping mall type establishment). At 4p, place opens up and I discover about 20-25 girls in attendance. Quality was nice, mostly 7's, a few 8's, maybe even a 8.5, but there were more 6's than I would have wanted to be in there. Girls were very friendly and accomodating. I stayed about 1hr 30 mins, but left w/o taking any girl up since I was heavily intoxicated by this time and felt really out of it. Definitely worth the trip and cheaper than Centaurus.

V. Mimosa: This is Rio's mini red-light district in a seedy area. Definitely not for the faint of heart, but I went here twice and never felt any threat. It's cheap, fun and dirty -- this isn't everyone's thing but it's an experience. The girls ranged from downright ugly to very cute. I paid anywhere from 15-35R to do the deed. I couldn't believe it, but they even have a website: http://www.vilamimosa.com.br/

Non-pro scene: Regular brazilian girls are wonderful but the super-sexy, upscale ones you see in Fashion Mall, Barra shopping, New York City Center etc. simply are not interested in even talking to a sex-tourist gringo (if you're reading this, yes you are too). Best place to meet these girls is their stomping grounds--goto the clubs where they party, the beaches where they tan, shop where they shop, etc. If you speak no Portuguese, good luck. You will get lumped with the rest of the sex tourist gringos who stay at copa and goto Help every night. The popular night clubs in Rio now are Melt, Nuth, Sky Lounge, etc. So maybe you can go there and throw around a little Euro or USD and look big, right? First working on even trying to get in. You think that hot girl at the best clubs controlling the door with their guestlists in LA, NYC and Miami are bitches? Wait till you meet the ones here! Good thing I was with the co-owner, beacuse she would tell guests whom she did not care for in one of five languages to just go home and not waste their time online. I saw one true gringo from Austin slip the guard at the door 60R to get him and his friend in, only to watch them leave dejected after waiting in line for 90 MORE minutes; and he didn't even get his money back. My advice, if you plan on coming down here often, spend time ot make friends with well connected locals who have the hook-up--it will be worth its weight in gold. A local Brazilian friend is a friend for life, trust me.

Track Star
03-08-05, 15:20
Hello Track Star here,

Another American forum member and I will be at Meia Petaca/Havana Bar around 8-9pm on Friday March 25th to have some drinks and conversation before we decide on where to pick up some girls... (Most likely HELP or right there at Meia Petaca)

Anybody interested in meeting up for some drinks?? I'd like to meet other Americans and Scandinavians (Norwegians) who will be there March 25-April 2-2005.

Send me a message.

Cheers.

Track Star

Young & Restless
03-09-05, 15:35
Bonhead,

Nice report on Rio. I’ve read about Vila Mimosa before, but did not realize the prices are that cheap there. Looking at the prices you posted, someone could really go to Rio for dirt cheap if they did all of their p4p in Vila Mimosa (R$ 15-35 per session) and stayed at a youth hostel (R$ 35 per night) in Rio.

Track Star,

Wish I could be there, amigo. Hope you enjoy Help and check out one of the termas on this trip! Have fun!

Y & R

Havahopeful
03-10-05, 00:49
I was in Rio for the first time during the second week of January for 8 days. I have seen a few reports that say it has gone down hill and all I can say is I can't imagine what it must have been like before if that is really the case!

The only other true hobbying trip I have taken was to Havana and Rio beats it hands down.

Just some general observations:

Termas-I went to Luomo's, MonteCarlo and Solarium. Definitely found Luomo's to be the best. Of the three it had the best selection and I just really like the atmoshpere, I love that chill out room in the back.

At Luomo's I was with Pricilla who is a mixed girl, I think 24 years old with died blond hair perfect body. In general all but one or two of the girls there had bodies that I would classify as an 8 or better. The first time with Pricilla she brought her friend along for a threesome. I would definitely reccomend Pricilla as one of the best sexual experiences in my life. One strange thing with the threesomes is always having to change condoms when you switch from one girl to the other. The other girl in the threesome was a 19 year old black girl also great experience and very sweet.

I visited Luomo's two other times and once had a repeat with Pricilla and another time with this european looking girl with braces also an amazing body, very fun and sweet great blowjob, just couldn't compare sexually to Pricilla.

A friend I was travelling with hooked up with Carolina probably the hottest there for my taste. 29 years old tall, very native look to her. He virtually fell in love and basically monopolized her on every visit.

All of these girls were very friendly and all gave us their cell phone numbers. Only negative thing about L'uomos is that I had to pay double for the room because it was a 3 some. Did not know that until I was paying.

Montecarlo's we had the guy at the front desk give us a tour and after sizing up the talent decided to pass and head back to L'uomos.

Solarium. Solarium was all in all ok, my friend once again pounced on the hottest girl in the place and other than her I didn't find any stars. I had a session with a black girl with braces from Salvador, very nice and sweet, but I had to be kind of quick about it as I was meeting a non pro for dinner.

We went to Help 2 times and I really didn't care for it. There were some stunning girls there but they didn't seem all that friendly and quoted some ridiculous prices 550 R for 2 hours to which I just laughed.

Met one girl with an amazing body there ok face, my friend and I negotiated her down to 300 R provided we both had our turns. Very poor session and attitude. Argued with me for 10 minutes about being paid up front to which I said no and that she could just leave if that was her demand, she backed down and agreed to be paid after. She seemed to be new to the game but who knows. From now on the minute I start to dislike a situation or a girl's attitude I am just going to move on as it always seems to ruin the experience.

Actually ran into a girl who had a real attitude problem the night before in Help on the street in Copa one morning, kind of funny she was much nicer and I even thought about proposing a session right then and there but I was on my way to meet a non pro.

Agencies. I called Karla's Models, Ciaplus, and Scort Show on a Sunday, and only one of them picked up the phone. I ran down the list of 4 names I had chosen and they said that none of them were available. I was dissappointed with this as it seems that you can't beat the price and some of the bodies on those girls look amazing.

Non Pros. I hooked up with 2 non pros on my trip. Both of whom I had met online prior to travelling. They were both great and even acted as tour guides for my friend and I. The only problem with non pros is that (at least this is the case with these 2) they tend to latch on and want to get together every day and night. By the end of the week I was exhausted from making up all sorts of excuses why I couldn't see them. Kind of crazy as both of these girls are girls I would love to date back home!!!

Safety. I didn't run into any problems at all, I stayed in Ipanema Towers and was very aware of my surroundings when I visited Copa so I am sure that helps.

Ipanema Towers was great and very guest friendly.

Language. I speak Spanish very well and before comming to Rio I had made it about 1/3 of the way through Pimpsleur's Portuguese 2. When I got confused in Portuguese I would break into Spanish as a back up and was able to communicate enough to enjoy conversations with people. I would say that is a big element in enjoying yourself on this trip. My friend spoke basically no portuguese and he didn't get nearly as much out of the trip.

Hope this information helps some of you out there.

Peter Disco 200
03-10-05, 13:21
Hello J.Wadd,

Nice pics you send, i reconice both bursty woman from the Help you send. De little blond one called Piu Piu and the black one now has braces and is named Renate.

Piu Piu is married now and I don't see here anymore in the Help I was there in Januairi 2005.

Bonhead
03-10-05, 15:15
Nice trip report Havahopeful. Cuba is a destination that has been on my list for quite some time, more so for the beauty of the actual country (the beaches, water, flora & fauna), than the mongering.

There are several Termas' in Barra De Tijuca that are still "undiscovered" to most who spend all their mongering days & nights in dirty Copacabana. Barra De Tijuca has a beach that is 100x better than Copa--just imagine sitting on the beach and not getting harassed every two seconds by a vendor selling some crap.

Anyway, there are three I visited and two that stand out as very good. The first is Caza Amaraillo (sp?) in English known as Yellow House. You can also tell any taxi driver to take you to house #400 on the pria (beach). Entrance is about 15R and drinks are moderately priced. The other place is called Pigalle and is located right outside of Barra De Tijuca (15 minute ride from Barra). I had fun times at both. Unlike the other Termas' Copa/Ipanema, you don't have to check-in your clothing and have a more club atmosphere with all the girls dressed in bikini's (so let's descriptively call it a 'bikini bar'!). Cost here runs approximately 130R total for girl and room; drinks and entrance extra. Girls will range from about a 6-8 and I encountered many, many blondes at both these places (if that's your thing).

Anyway, go check them out and let me know your thoughts!

Handyman #2
03-11-05, 19:04
I know you regulars are getting tired of all the rookie questions, but I am confused with what a termas actually is. At first I pictured a fish bowl (like Thailand) but after reading most of the reports from 2004, I think I had the wrong impression. Is it more like a gentleman's spa, with steam bath, massage, etc? Or is it like a disco with on site rooms?

Please help this rookie get his head out!

I used to travel to Rio in the early 70s as a classified courier, but seldom was allowed out of the consulate at night. I did go back last year but with my wife, so couldn't monger. Now I have a chance to go in July/August and trying to get it together.

Thanks for the help!

Macgoo
03-12-05, 05:10
Since it is a "small-world": Any of you Rio Mongers run into this Jesse James Hollywood while on the prowl? Was he a member of WSG?

"Longtime fugitive Jesse James Hollywood has been yanked out of a comfortable life in Brazil and back to California, where he faces charges of kidnapping and killing a 15-year-old boy. Hollywood, 25, taught English and was living with a young woman in a fashionable beach district at the end of his five years on the lam, Brazilian authorities said. He allegedly paid his expenses with $1,200 he received each month from his parents..."

El Apodo
03-12-05, 14:32
I know you regulars are getting tired of all the rookie questions, but I am confused with what a termas actually is. At first I pictured a fish bowl (like Thailand) but after reading most of the reports from 2004, I think I had the wrong impression. Is it more like a gentleman's spa, with steam bath, massage, etc? Or is it like a disco with on site rooms?



Handyman,

I've never seen the fishbowl, but have spent WAY too much time in a terma. Your second description is pretty accurate. Most of the termas you're likely to visit work something like this.

Enter terma get a bracelet - this is used to keep track of your drinks, women, etc.
Go to locker room and change into robe.
Enter boite (bar area) and you should be able to handle the rest.

All the termas I've been to have shower, sauna, massage, relaxation rooms. etc. As someone on another board said, the terma is the greatest invention known to mankind.

One week until my re-entry into the world of terma!

Rio Bob
03-12-05, 15:00
Non Pros. I hooked up with 2 non pros on my trip. Both of whom I had met online prior to travelling. They were both great and even acted as tour guides for my friend and I. The only problem with non pros is that (at least this is the case with these 2) they tend to latch on and want to get together every day and night. By the end of the week I was exhausted from making up all sorts of excuses why I couldn't see them. Kind of crazy as both of these girls are girls I would love to date back home.

Havahopeful, I couldn't agree with you more, I experienced the same thing with non pros, like you I had set up ahead of time online but 2 I had known from previous trips. All nice looking and nice people too but like you said they want to spend all the time with you and they are not shy about calling you and asking you out.

After a while I had to shut my phone off cause I was tired of making up excuses. One girl on my last night in Rio wanted to know if I wanted to go to the movies with her, I felt so bad for her because on my last night I wanted to go to HELP and I did and left with a sweet little 19 year old, what a night, the next day the non pro called me up practically crying. I don't think Ill ever do the non pro scene again, way to complicated and messy. P4P is much more fun and simpler, great concept, you play then you pay and no problems afterward .

Rio Bob
03-12-05, 15:17
I was in town a few weeks back and wanted to report on my experiences.

Help: Compared to 3 years ago, the quality of Help has shown a notable decrease in quality (each time I've visted Rio was post-Carnaval March/April time). I will not generalize and would like to say that it is very possible that my recent experiences here can be attributed to post-Carnaval downtime. Of dismay to me was that some of the stunners from yesteryear are still right there plowing their trade, looking as weathered as an overworked mule. Not dissapointed that they are still there at Help, but dissapointed that they are looking pretty haggardly and still haven't moved on to the next stage their trade... From this, I will deduce that quality intake of fresh talent has been low, thereby resulting in low turnover regardless of how dated the girls look. Indeed there were a handful of very good looking girls, fresh faces and sexy bodies--the only problem was demand for them was high resulting in outrageous prices (>300R).

Another major aggravation, I know I'll be flamed for this, but it seems the entire monger scene has been flooded by Europeans, especially Italians. I have nothing against Italians or Europeans per se (I've lived in Europe for three years France & Italy), but current economic conditions of Euro vs Dollar vs Real make me cringe at the thought of having to "outbid" the Italianos for some good pussy. A part of me just wishes not only the Italianos, but all the mongers except for myself and the local Brasilearos would allow me to enjoy Rio for a month alone... ahhhhh one can only dream.

BonHead, I think I was in Rio about the same time as you and seen all the same things you did. There were moments in HELP where I felt the same thing about the quality but what I noticed that if you wait awile then there is always new talent walking in.

I was in Rio for 10 nights, went to HELP 5 nights, all picks from HELP were all young sexy and hot, all gave great service, one gave me a little trouble but I straigened her out. This girl I met in HELP was really hot, she had on the knee high boots, mini skirt, very sexy, very friendly, we danced, drank, talked to her friends, she looked like a real gem. Went back to my place with her and she asks me for the cash up front, right away I knew there was going to be trouble. I told her I don't pay up front and if it is a problem then she should leave, she didn't but it upsets the mood.

Anyway the sex was good and after the first pop she starts to get dressed and I said where are you going? For this kind of money you have to give me a second shot, without hesitation she procedded to take her clothes off but I told her to keep them on including the boots and miniskirt that I wanted to do her with them on, she did and the night turned out ok.

Young & Restless
03-12-05, 16:58
Handyman #2,

El Apodo told you the main things that you can expect in a terma. I'll throw in my two cents too.

Here is a list of things that should be common to any terma that you go to:


Reception
When you walk into any terma, this will be the first person you see. Almost all will speak good English and will explain the entire system to you and breakdown the prices for you. They are kind of like a combination of customer service, management and cashier all in one.

Locker room
Here's where you will keep all of your clothes and valuables. They will give you a robe & sandals, and a wristband key for your locker that stays with you from the beginning until the end of your time there.

Showers
Here is where you can take a quick shower, before and/or after having some fun with a chica. The shower areas do have stalls (they're not like the big community showers that you see in the movies).

Message room
From what I understand, by Brazilian Law, every terma is required to have a licensed masseuse on the premises. If you want a real message while you are there, the price is very reasonable.

Boite (bar/club area)
The best way that I can describe the boite is that it is like a nice strip club in the US, filled with chicas wearing bikinis, lingerie or tight leather pants, but without an ongoing strip show. Make any sense? Some of them will have lesbian shows occasionally and some girls will strut there stuff around the dancing areas, but it's voluntary if they do.

If the termas did not have boites, they would not be anywhere near as fun. Here is where you can pick your chica in a fun atmosphere, have a few drinks and know that it only gets better after that.

Relax room
The relax rooms have several message-type beds (they kind of remind me more of doctor office beds) and chairs where you can kick back with your chica or watch Brazilian TV and wonder what in the heck is going on..

The main reason that I would leave the boite and go to the relax room, would be to get away from the smoke or to give my ears a break from the music.

If you are going to session with a chica, most of them will be glad to give you a massage in the relax area before going to a room.

THE Rooms
Here is where your fun will come to a climax (puns intended). Different size rooms are available in each terma and they may call them, Standard, Deluxe and Suites or something along those lines. Usually, the bigger your room, the more time they will allot you.

Also, the larger rooms will throw in other perks to make it worth your wild to shell out the extra bucks for the upgrade, such as a TV playing porn, shower, jacuzzi, bigger bed, so on and so forth.

Hope this helps,

Y & R

Bubba Boy
03-12-05, 19:47
The main action in a Terma occurs in the boite (Pronouced Boi-chi) area. The boite is exactly like a little disco, music is pumping, girls are dancing in G's and guys are hanging around. Only difference is the guys are wearing robe's and generally don't dance or at least shouldn't because unless you can boogy like John Trav' you will look silly next to these girls. They have been dancing since they were 3 years old.! You can take them to a room any time. Room is called a cabine. It is usually R170 or so all up for this pleasure. The price is fixed and the lovely receptionists will inform you of the price. The main thing that suprised me was how small and cramped the boite is, I mean at most clubs it is elbow to elbow stuff. Still, you get used to the goings on very quickly.

I was at 400 club in Barra last week, been there a few times. Entrance is R25, drinks are sort of reasonable for local stuff, but more expensive that copa termas for imported stuff. Only ever pay in cash there to 30% surcharge for credit card payment of bill. Girls R150 for a session.

Centaraus. They happily let you in now when you just offer the R90 entrance fee. I have been 2 times this trip and just have the R90 ready when I walk in the door, they take it and don't say much. More and more people I know that go there do this now, so maybe if we all do it they will be pushed into making it normal policy. The quality at this place is pretty poor at the moment, I have found 1 girl I like so I do her but I would not want to pay R310 for some of the girls when other termas have better girls, better prices and better attitudes.

QuackUp
03-12-05, 20:22
Handyman,

Imho, the termas are better than the fishbowl because you get to interact with the girls before deciding if you want to go to the room with them. Most has been covered on the previous post, but I would like to add, in the locker rooms, there are attendants there so your valuables are pretty safe there. I usually tip the attendants there, and believe me, they do remember you.

Q

Handyman #2
03-14-05, 19:21
Thanks for all the great information! I can now picture it somewhat in my minds eye!

They do sound great! Even better than Thailands fishbowls or Amsterdams / Germany's walk by - walk around places, especially if the talent is there!

You mentioned receiving a bracelet (to keep track of your purchases) so I assume that you pay when you exit. Have any of you lost track of your purchases and not had enough to pay the bill when you leave? What would they do, if that happens? While it sounds like a stupid question, I don't want to let my "kid loose in a candy store" dream get away from me.

Its Time
03-14-05, 20:06
Though I am not a poster on this thread you can see a couple of my threads in the BKK board.

I have been to RIO several times, at least twice a year for the last three, and must say teh thermas are always good for consistency. Centauras for quality of facilities and of course the relax room and garotas. The Solarium Monte Carlo and 4x4 rate the next best for me.

Security is always an issue in the evening and we always book a taxi for the evening, I know this may be cost prohibitive for some, but I like knowing that someone is waiting and has a vested interest in making sure my party and I get to the hotel in one piece...especially after the enevitable cocktails that get consumed in either Help or Melt etc.

Though the quality of help can at times be suspect rest assured that if your are patient and can hold a decent conversation you will usually be rewarded with some great action. The challenge for me anyway os not to get to carried away to soon/...good things come to those that wait.

I need a little help. We usually arive on Friday and leave Sunday night, to get back to the great white north, and book a room at VIPS for a fiesta for 4-6 hours beggining at Noon and ending at 6pm so that we can get to the airport. The agencies have little available at that time and what has shown up has been dissapointing at best. We figured out the lasttime tha if we kept sending them back they would eventually send us some quaility but that was time consuimng and got I ran out of change paying for TAXIS.

Do the agencies book in advance? Is there someone like Roxanna of teh BA board who can vouch for Quality?

We will once again be arriving in paradise on the 31st for three nights if anyone is interested in few beers and some mongering.

Obrigado!

Bull Dozer
03-14-05, 23:56
Hi Guys,

I have posted a few pictures in the Photo section, but due to long delays with the server, I do run out of time & patience. Here are some more pictures of my bad behaviour as some may say, but I don't care because I was having one of the BEST TIME of my life.Some more pics from my Jan.2005 trip. I hope you will enjoy, the girl is from KM. One of the best girls from an Escort agency, as you can tell from her pictures & attitude, always smiling.

Hot To Cool
03-19-05, 04:09
Its Time,

I went to Vila Mimosa by taxi Sunday night and picked a "wild thing" named Amanda. She's a 5ft5 loirinha with a 10 in attitude and about a 8 in looks. She was in the latter part( going counterclockwise) of the U-shaped stroll at the second establishment to the left of some game machines( on the inner part of the U). She says she shuttles between back and forth Copacabana and Vila Mimosa. I suggest going there by taxi to select and negotiate a long term rate with several which appeal to your group. Their long term rates in any case should be much lower in vila Mimosa than any rates you negotiate in Copacabana. As for safety concerns, Amanda says that within the U shaped area there is security. It is only in the streets nearby that there is a chance of assault, though she as a Brazilian has walked them at 2 or 3 AM without incident. In any case there are taxis ready to take you out of the Vila Mimosa area on the street directly in front of the U-shaped stroll.

Hot To Cool

Lorenz Mi
03-19-05, 23:08
In my previous post, my opinion on Help was very bad compared to termas or Barbarella, but day by day it is changing. Yesterday night, after 2 very nice hours in Carioca de Gema (live samba music show in Lapa : very recommanded !) I went again to Help and for sure was the best night in that place, probably since was Friday, but I´m not so sure.

Many many peaple and the usual bad ugly girls, but waiting and checking the area, I discovered also many very interesting girls: very nice with great body!

Ok, it is not Barbarella where really I´ve seen the big group of beautiful girls in my life (unbeliavable), but the "rate" is also different (600-400 R$ at Barbarella compared to 200-300 R$ at Help).

I had a great night with a very nice mulata named Giulia for 300 R$ : very nice face, wonderful body and very passional sex with real orgasm (maybe she is also a great actor but I don´t believe ... since some other hotel guests was able to hear !!!

So, after 20 days in Rio my advice is to test everything, starting from termas (great but after 3-4 times is always the same stuff), barbarella (depending from how many money You have, but try one girl at leat once) and help for other nights.

For the area to stay, my suggestion is always to be in Ipanema that is absolutely better than Copa, and by taxi You need only 10 minutes and 10-15 R$!

Ciao

Sidhartha
03-20-05, 05:08
Can someone please post some info about the Vila Mimosa? I did a search of the forum, but came up with nothing useful. Stuff like what it is, where, what to expect, cost, - the usual stuff we need. Thanks. If I ever get there I will add my report.

John Shaft
03-20-05, 10:00
Good question Handyman,

When you pay your bill at the end, the drinks, entrance fee, and room can all be paid with a credit card; however, the girls fee has to be paid in cash. One time I think I fucked 3 girls (I was on a roll that night), and I didn't have enough reals to cover it all. Fortunately, the receptionist gave me no problem, and took my AE card. Could've gotten sticky, because most termas have big hulking mofos at the door who aren't there simply for aesthetic purposes.

Java Man
03-20-05, 19:59
sidharta:
on 10/06/04 elmo posted:

To get to Vila Mimosa, cut and paste the web address below to view a map of Rio's largest prostitution place. (Many thanks to Charly for originally posting this map on 01-18-04)

http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/attachment.php?s=&postid=163057

For some perspective : look at a map of Rio and find Maracana Stadium - this is the big stadium for championship football (soccer) matches. Vila Mimosa is about 1 km or 1/2 mile east of the stadium - heading towards the downtown area (where Therma 4X4 is located.) Vila Mimosa is just north of the main road into downtown from the stadium - Av President Vargas. The map link above shows the Sao Cristavao metro stop in the lower left corner. This is the metro stop just before the metro stop for Maracana stadium.

From Copacobana, it should cost about 18-20 Reals for a taxi to get to VM.

Also, here again is the website to photographer Oliva Gay - there are 16 photos of VM - showing the street scene, bars, garotas, and the rooms. Cut and paste it to your web brower.

http://www.oliviagay.com/p6_1.php?act=1&num=01&no=1

i've also posted a report. the search function here could be better as i was unable to find my post.

Davis150
03-20-05, 22:07
I am finding Rio less desireable after multiple trips. The prices are going up and the quality is going down. A few observations:

Escort Services: Unlike Sao Paulo, the online escort services rarely show faces making it easy for them to pull a switch. I have had countess unhappy experiences with FetischeOnline and Scort Show, and a few good experiences with Malu Models. Aside from switches, girls who advertise as doing anal "completo" show up with a DO NOT ENTER sign taped across their beloved cu. I find it helps to make it known over the phone while procuring the model, that anal sexo is importante and a model who shows and is not completo will be sent back. Of the various scorts, Mayara Rodriguez is a total anal pro, and a sweet girl to boot. Cindy a.k.a. Priceilla, is also a little hottie, but she knows it, has a bit of a 'tude, and isn't a real hard worker. Still, nice little ass, and she has that young babysitter look if your looking to get that fantasy taken care of.

HELP: The quality has lowered and the price has increased. Still, you can pull out a cutie from there, but there's an increasing amount of cocaine and heroin addiction among the girls. I nearly scored a twosome with a couple of sisters who work there from Goiania. One was a short blond, the other a tall morena. Both had names that begin with L and the blond had MADE IN BRAZIL tattooed on her lower back in cursive. I later found out that the tall sister had pnumonia (which I consider a RED flag) and the blond has a GFE thing going where half a dozen guys from three different continents are wiring her money because they think she's given up the life and is in school. She was a little chunky but a cutie and I'd appreciate if some of you mongers could post some pictures of her because I'm on the masturbation maintenence program until my next trip. The music is too loud, I'm white and can't dance, so I prefer to get the girls out front of HELP at Cafe Atlantico.

Cafe Atlantico: I have had great luck here in both quality and price. If you see a garota of good quality outside along the street or hanging in front of the restaurant, don't be afraid to invite her to your table. Many of these girls are semi-pros and I've had some of the best fucks in my life from this particular spot. I had this one girl named Paula who seemed shy and somewhat inexperienced and turned into a fuck crazed nympho as soon as I got back to the hotel; slapping her own ass, screaming so loud I was afraid she'd wake the other guests...man and she fucked me 4 times for 150R.

ANAL SEX: Help and Cafe Atlantico are iffy in terms of anal. By the time you get a girl back to the hotel, she knows you're paying and if she's not inclined for anal, she's not giving it up. If you're an ass man, as am I, the best place for anal sex is the termas. I prefer Loumo and 4x4. You can get agreement on it before you go to the room so you're assured she's a wide-receiver. You'll be able to tell by the conversation whether she's into it or whether it's something she'll do, but it's not her speciality. Escorts is another good place to get girls into anal, but it's a little more risky as some girls are just doing it so you'll answer their ads. I am not a sadist and take no enjoyment in fucking a girl in the ass if it's killing her. I have run into girls like this on more than one occasions with the escort services.

VIAGRA: Over the counter and I've come to the conclusion that it next to impossible to over dose on the shit. I buy the 100 ml pills and break 'em in half, but I think there's a tolerance thing going on there and I'm usually taking the full dose by the end of the week.

Hotels: I'm a fan of Princess Copacabana and Rio Roiss. Delbrete almost threw me out and told me, "We're not that kind of hotel anymore." I use VIPS for two or more girls -- there's plenty of light if you're inclined to make videos and it's simply a great place to fuck (a little pricey, though).

Sloth
03-22-05, 00:07
Ok I've never been to Brazil before and I've done most of my mongering in SE Asia., but there's something that puzzles me a bit about the terma scene in Rio. I understand pimping is illegal there so I would guess that the termas management keeps the cabine and entrance fees and the girls are pocketing the rest. If these girls charge 150R for each session and they average about 3 sessions a day that means they are walking away with 450R daily. That translates to roughly 150 US dollars (maybe a little less depending on the current exchange rate) which is more money than I make. These girls are stinkin' rich after they work at one of these places for a couple years. Now, I'm not one to look a gift Ho in the mouth but this seems a little disturbing to me.

Do I have it right here?

Sidhartha
03-22-05, 05:47
Thanks a lot Chingon. Unfortunately neither link worked for me. I can search the archives to see if I find anything, something I haven't done so far. I am more interested in a report about the place, than in directions for the moment anyway.

Perkele
03-22-05, 18:47
Thanks a lot Chingon. Unfortunately neither link worked for me. I can search the archives to see if I find anything, something I haven't done so far. I am more interested in a report about the place, than in directions for the moment anyway.Ok. Here we go.

Villa Mimosa, location next to Praca da Bandeira in Rio de Janeiro.

This is probably the sleasiest area with rather large number of HO's. Villa Mimosa itself is basically a set of bars on one street.

VM works 24/7 and because of this it changes its appearance, depending the time of the day and the day of the week. If you go on Wednesday afternoon, you probably find whole place rather empty with only a few girls around. If you go Friday at 23.30 you'll ran into a baccanal with hundreds of girls, drugdealers and drunken brasilians. The quality of the girls vary from 0 - 10. If you're lucky you'll run into 8's, 9's and occacional 10's. During the week, usually afternoons you might run into schoolgirls earning money for weekend parties. (This really happens).

You might not want to do any girls in any of the bars in VM, even though you could. Basic price is 25 R$ for the girl,1 R$ for condom and 5 - 10 R$ for room. Room price may vary depending on spent time (20 Min is basic) and whether there is A/C or not.

Being GRINGO obviously doesn't help in VM, you'll be charged more everywhere so it is better to go with your brasilian friend and let him do all talking and negotiations.

You can take girls to motels nearby, which is RECOMMENDABLE option. All taxi's know all motels around Praca da Bandeira. Gallant is one, where a suite with jacuzzi for 4 hours is 57 R$. Atleast she can take a bath, not to mention you. There are no SHOWERS in VM.

One more thing. There is a bar, run by a German guy named Casablanca. They are a bit more stylish, have nicer girls etc. Downside is that they are more expensive and that is pissing locals off.

S

Papi Que Rico
03-22-05, 19:18
A good overview. I'll be in Rio in about six weeks. Mayara certainly is a cutie, and if she has a good attitude as you say that's a winning combination. I checked Malu models and Scort show but did not see her. Where could I contact this fine young thing?

Thanks

WolfPack
03-23-05, 23:47
\That translates to roughly 150 US dollars (maybe a little less depending on the current exchange rate) which is more money than I make. These girls are stinkin' rich after they work at one of these places for a couple years. Now, I'm not one to look a gift Ho in the mouth but this seems a little disturbing to me.

Do I have it right here?150 a day x 6 days a week (6 days a week is standard for a terma girl) equates to 46,000 US a year. That is assuming they work 6 days a week all year round and that they get 3 bangs each and every day. They probably make closer to 35k because they go on vacation and believe it or not, there are slow days (I have seen em). Also if they catch a cold or something they don't get paid and they are actually charged for not showing up by the management. Anyway, 35k a year is very far from being rich, even if they worked for 30 years straight. In Brazilian cash, however it is about 130k a year. Wich is pretty good considering. All I have to say is more power to them and I hope they all get rich.

Rio Bob
03-24-05, 00:34
Just read over of few of some recent posts, complaining, prices up, quality down, one guy complaining girls make more than him. Look, all may be true but I recently returned from a 10 day trip in Rio and had the best time of my life there, I cannot complain, yes prices are up, girls make good money and if they didn't then they wouldn't be there.

Havahopeful
03-24-05, 15:55
Rio prostitutes earn much more than the average citizen. I think that is the case, for most of the non streetwalker free prostitutes in the world.

A friend of mine had a 30ish not all that attractive escort purchase a building from him for 1.2 million in the USA. When you consider that an escort as beautiful as your average to below average Terma girl probably charges from 300-500 dollars an hour there it seems even more out of line compared to the average salary there.

The amazing thing about Rio is that at least most of these girls are still friendly, provide GFE and make you feel like a million dollars! I don't really hobby at home but I doubt the same can be said.

Sloth
03-24-05, 23:27
Guess how much they make is a mute point really. It's not like I want to see these girls in a ditch or anything, they probably earn every penny and I'm sure they do even better if they go to Europe to work for a while.

Rio Bob
03-25-05, 02:02
150 a day x 6 days a week (6 days a week is standard for a terma girl) equates to 46,000 US a year. That is assuming they work 6 days a week all year round and that they get 3 bangs each and every day. They probably make closer to 35k because they go on vacation and believe it or not, there are slow days (I have seen em). Also if they catch a cold or something they don't get paid and they are actually charged for not showing up by the management. Anyway, 35k a year is very far from being rich, even if they worked for 30 years straight. In Brazilian cash, however it is about 130k a year. Wich is pretty good considering. All I have to say is more power to them and I hope they all get rich.


Good post but you forgot to deduct the days they are on their periodical. Lets say 3 days a month, 36 days a year.

Even the girls in Help are not there every night, I asked a real stunner how many nights she worked and she told me 4. Other girls I saw 1 night and never saw them again. Six days a week at a termas sounds alot, maybe they do but I don't go to Termas cause I like my girls to at least had 24 hours since her last gig.

Let me tell you something, what they do is not always a pleasure, some of these guys they have to do for the money, believe me they deserve every penny that they get. With me I know its a pleasure for them but others it looks like a tough job.

Carrib
03-25-05, 03:05
Whether they make $20k or $100k US who cares? You guys are forgetting one thing--you are paying anywhere from $40-90 to fuck a stunner that would probably cost ten as much in the states. We're forgetting the other side of this whole equation--that they have kids to feed, sometimes develop drug habits and after a few years, without a good diet and proper exercise, their bodies break down quickly. I cant tell you how many yound stunners I meet and after year or so develop beer bellies and cellulite cheeze ass (yuck!)

These girls work hard for their money and no, they dont get clients every day. Some popular girls do work alot but others sometime go home with no money. They sometimes have to deal with very jealous brazillian boyfriends that will try to kill them if they find out where they work (a couple succeeded in doing just that--one GDP who worked at Centaurus and another at 4X4, both were killed by Boyfriends)

Tbuss
03-25-05, 14:21
That translates to roughly 150 US dollars (maybe a little less depending on the current exchange rate) which is more money than I make. These girls are stinkin' rich after they work at one of these places for a couple years. Do I have it right here? You almost have it right. Yes, they make alot of money, but making it and keeping it are two different things. Except for a very few exceptions most of them are lousy with thier money and/or drug habits and boyfriends to support. Just like strippers in the US, making tons of cash but nothing to show for it. So, no most of them aren't stinkin' rich.

Hoo Doo
03-25-05, 15:53
Hey look,

Most of us that have had multipule experiences with these great Rio garota's know what a grand time is to be had when you hook up with a winner. The way they can almost cater to your every whim and push the whole concept of GFE to the next level, seaming to take the encounter to the point where if you're not careful you could loose your grip and they do this for money! If any of you think that this is an easy task(even for money) please think again. These girls can't afford to get too caught up in the flo and then get broken down when you leave a few days later, but still they put it down! To hang out have fun & screw is just fine to them. They have bills to pay and sometimes mouths to feed. In short pay them what their worth, shut up the petti B.S. and enjoy what they have to offer. And remember what you"ll have to deal with when you get back to the U.S. and the picture will become just that much clearer.

Member #4156
03-25-05, 17:01
What does GFE BBJ and all that stuff mean?

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: There is a link labeled "Terms and Abbreviations" in the menu bar at the top of this page. This will take you to the WSG Glossary where you will find a list with most of the Terms & Abbreviations used in the Forum. Thanks!

Member #4156
03-25-05, 17:04
Hey look,

Most of us that have had multipule experiences with these great Rio garota's know what a grand time is to be had when you hook up with a winner. The way they can almost cater to your every whim and push the whole concept of GFE to the next level, seaming to take the encounter to the point where if you're not careful you could loose your grip and they do this for money! If any of you think that this is an easy task(even for money) please think again. These girls can't afford to get too caught up in the flo and then get broken down when you leave a few days later, but still they put it down! To hang out have fun & screw is just fine to them. They have bills to pay and sometimes mouths to feed. In short pay them what their worth, shut up the petti B.S. and enjoy what they have to offer. And remember what you"ll have to deal with when you get back to the U.S. and the picture will become just that much clearer.Amen to that!

Davis150
03-25-05, 20:21
I think she was asking 300r for 2 hours.

Ern123
03-27-05, 20:16
Whether they make $20k or $100k US who cares? You guys are forgetting one thing--you are paying anywhere from $40-90 to fuck a stunner that would probably cost ten as much in the states. We're forgetting the other side of this whole equation--that they have kids to feed, sometimes develop drug habits and after a few years, without a good diet and proper exercise, their bodies break down quickly. I cant tell you how many yound stunners I meet and after year or so develop beer bellies and cellulite cheeze ass (yuck!)

These girls work hard for their money and no, they dont get clients every day. Some popular girls do work alot but others sometime go home with no money. They sometimes have to deal with very jealous brazillian boyfriends that will try to kill them if they find out where they work (a couple succeeded in doing just that--one GDP who worked at Centaurus and another at 4X4, both were killed by Boyfriends)Please, don't even go there.. it's americans like you that make the prices sky-high in rio. Comparing "She would cost etc in usa.." is plain stupid.

An university graduate with a good job in rio make approx. 800 reais a month.
If you want to do charity, give to "save the children" or something, not to a lazy hooker.

There are still places in rio, with good prices, starting at 10 reais dispite the american prescence.

Check out the ads in odia

http://odia.ig.com.br/classificados/anuncios/aviso_e_quarta.htm

Push "Sou maior de 18 anos"

Bye for now

Admin
03-28-05, 02:00
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Lorenzo
03-28-05, 20:39
Bubba Boy,

Many thanks on behalf of all present and future mongers on your series of posts on the Rio (mostly) and SP mongering situation. I can't imagine anyone being more thorough and comprehensive. You are a true humanitarian in the tradition of Albert Schweitzer and Mother Teresa. If there were a Nobel Prize for mongering--and there should be--you should be the first recipient. I'm sure there would be much disagreement as to who should be second.

I can't disagree with a single thing you said, but let me just add the following to supplement:

1) It's great that you provided so much info on Help!, and maybe it is some people's cup of tea, but IMHO Help! is strictly for newbies and is best avoided. Since there is so much luscious, luscious, luscious pussy in elsewhere in Rio at far more pleasant establishments, why bother with Help! at all? But I guess this is something mongers will just have to decide for themselves.

2) If you like fine dining and are not a penny pincher, and if you find a termas girl that you like and make arrangements for her to take a night off and party with you, why not begin the evening by taking her out to dinner at a fine restaurant? I love to eat and hate to do it alone, but since I always travel alone, this is an ideal way to find myself a dinner companion. However, it's best to do this with someone with whom you have a bit of chemistry. My favorite is Antiquarius in Leblon, but other excellent dining establishments are Satyricon, Yemanja, and even upscale churrascarias like Mariu's and Porcao. Odds are likely that she will never have experienced anything like this, since these places are beyond the reach of all but well to do Brazilians. On the other hand, if you are American, western European, or Japanese, you will find that even the most expensive restaurants are modestly priced by the standards of your own country. For example, dinner for two at Antiquarius, Rio's best restaurant, will probably come to less than US$100, including drinks, wine, appetizer, dessert, and tip. We are always talking about a GFE, and to me this is an essential part of a GFE.

3) I agree with everything you said about Centaurus, undoubtedly the most controversial termas in Rio, for the reasons you stated. One of my basic beliefs is that everything in life involves a tradeoff, and this is nowhere better illustrated than at Centaurus. Here the tradeoff is higher prices and attitude v. a consistently higher caliber of girls. I suppose every monger will have to decide for himself. To my mind, however, there are so many high quality girls available at L'uomo, for example, and others, that there is no need to bother with Centaurus. But I suppose it should be experienced at least once.

4) You didn't mention the Classificados which appear every day in O Globo and Jornal do Brasil. To take advantage of these you will need to read and speak Portuguese. The classificados are, in a way, the exact opposite of escort services in that you can talk to the girl but don't know what she looks like. However, to me talking is more important in that I get a chance to see if there is any chemistry, if she has an attitude, and to negotiate services. But I think you can be reasonably certain that she will be attractive; if not, you can send her on her way (although ethically you should pay her cab fare).

5) A minor point, probably bordering on nitpicking: 'paulista' refers to a resident or native of Sao Paolo state, not the city. Residents of Sao Paolo city are called 'paulistanos'.

Thanks again, BubbaBoy, for excellent reporting.

Lorenzo

Euro100
03-28-05, 22:32
BB,

I have been to Rio many, many times. And yet I learned a lot of new things form your posts. Somehow Jackson should put your posts into a separate section and close the thread; this should be required reading for Rio mongering rookies!

To your list of boites I would add Scotch Bar, also in the red light district of Av. Princesa Isabel. This is a really interesting place, because it is a regular disco at times, and a strip joint at others. So you can first watch a strip show, then dance with the naked strippers. And this is also the only place in Rio where I have ever seen life sex on stage. I have had many quality pick-ups (all pros, of course) at this place. Very recommended.

Happy mongering
euro

Papi Que Rico
03-29-05, 00:10
I'm on my way to Salvador in a month. I've got a 4.5 hour layover in Rio. Any chance of my having enough time to dash out for my first garota de programa during this wait?

Bunda Boy
03-29-05, 01:51
Bubba Boy,

Great job on your posts. They were thorough and should be required reading for anyone who plans to travel to Brazil. You deserve a Pulitzer or Nobel prize for taking the time to write all of that information!!

I made my third trip to Rio last month, and I hope to make many more! I am fortunate to travel with a friend and WSG memeber who travels to Rio 5 to 6 times a year. He knows his way around town, speaks a little bit of the language, and even has some local contacts that help make the experience even better. This time we were joined by a Rio first timer.

I have to disagree with Lorenzo and Bubba Boy a little - I like Help. I think if you have a game plan and be patient you will get a winner from there. In my "vast" experiences there, I have taken a number of girls from there and have not been disappointed. I like to pick a couple out and watch them for a little while. I look for girls that are dancing, laughing, and enjoying themselves. I would rather take a 7 or 8 that has personality and is having fun over a drop dead 11 who is quiet. I think this translates in to a better time once you get the girl back to your room. This trip I took 4 girls from Help and had incredible experiences with each. My buddy and I were able to score 4 girls from the same apartment (not at the same time!). I thought the overall quality was outstanding, maybe because it was right after Carnival and some of the girls stayed around to earn a few more bucks. The price was a little higher than the past times I have been there but I don't regret paying what I did for any of the girls. I like to use what I call the CPP ratio - the Cost per Pop ratio. I divide the number of pops i get with a girl by how much I paid for her. Even paying a little more, I still consider it the best deal in the world!!! We also went to Barbarella and left after an hour to go back to Help. I was disappointed in the quality and quantity of the girls at Barbarella and didnt think any of the girls would justify the price they would ask. We went back to Help and scored another great girl and another awesome experience.

We also went to a couple of Termas. These things are the greatest inventions ever!! In my mind, when I picture Monger heaven I picture these places. Luomo is quickly becoming my favorite. I think the quality there was as good as any place and the price can't be beat. I have never had a bad experience here. I was disappointed in Centarus a little. I had a great girl but she was not much better than my Luomo girl for the price.

I love this place and hope to get back in May and share some more great experiences.

Nicolasi11
03-29-05, 05:09
Hi guys,

Maybe I am stupid, but what is CIM?

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Its Time
03-29-05, 16:22
Los Lonely boys sing "How far is heaven". For me it is 15 hour in the air to RIO. Anybody around this weekend and want to get a drink and compare notes?

Simmer
03-29-05, 18:52
Thought I'd write a few notes on my experiences in Rio recently. Sorry, my memory for names is pathetic! My choice of woman is generally dark, 5'8 or less (my height), medium chested, 20-25 years old, which is what all the below were unless mentioned otherwise.

Went to Help on my first night. About 150 ugly women and 150 desperate, fat, balding blokes (don't think I fit into any of those categories!). Left alone. Got accosted by a bloke outside who "had a gun". Ignored him and got in a taxi.

Went to Loumo next (Terma). Met a nice-looking Brazilian who I took to a suite as it had a shower. I kind of like showering with girls - you can make sure they're clean as well as having a bit of aquatic fun! Turned out the shower was just for me :-( but she straight away asked if I wanted anal and was most disappointed when I said no! I'm not a big fan. Usual story with the sex, although she did like 69 a lot, which suited me just fine! Spurted what I thought was a medium-to-heavy load which seemed to gobsmack her (maybe that's more than average?). Anyway, I'd been drinking loads of water all day which may have increased the load somewhat. Once finished, she wanted to cuddle and stare into my eyes (which freaked me out a bit as she didn't blink!). Then she was keen to go again! Definite 110% commitment that girl! All in all, clean, safe fun. R280 for suite and girl and drinks.

Next night I met up with an American who was working down in Rio. He took me to a club he knew, Frankie's in Lido - in fact knew so well that the doormen let us in free! Girl behind me who I hadn't seen started talking to the American who knew Portuguese (I know neither Spanish nor Portuguese). He translated and basically she wanted to sit with us. Ok, no harm there. But my god, what a stunner! Talk about a babe walking into your arms! Paid about R50 for the 3 drinks she and I had, then left after the American negotiated R200 for the night with her. No bar fine, no tips expected from the doorman, but I did give him a bit for finding a taxi in the pouring rain. Problems with money meant she effectively stole about US$40 of mine, despite receiving the full R200. Confusion initially, but when I tried to later get it back, she suddenly didn't understand a word of English. Sex was very rushed. She did everything I wanted but she was pressuring me to finish. Then she wasn't going to stay the night - she wanted to go back to the club. Demanded taxi fare, and all of a sudden *I* didn't understand *her*. She left without her taxi fare. Basically she tried every trick in the book, which is a real shame as she had such a hot body that she could earn serious amounts of money by being nice, without ripping people off.

Frankie's apparently has a sex show every night, though I left too early to see it.

My last night ended up in the place right next door to Frankie's. Not sure what it was called, but it was right on the corner. Again, no cover charge because of the American being friends. I wasn't interested in sex from the bad experience the night before. Several girls came and went, but one in particular was quite happy talking knowing full well that neither of us would be taking her home. There were plenty of other men who would have! Continuous stripteases from maybe midnight onwards, with the girl sitting next to us going on at about 4:30am. She stripped looking directly into my eyes the whole time! Apart from a bit of groping and tongue action, I still wasn't interested despite her being a cute stunner! As she kept us (well, mostly me) company for so long, I gave her a tip before we left, R50. Big tip perhaps, but she was worth it for the effort. Got an even better snog after that too! Walked back to the hotel and asked a streetwalker how much on the way (this was getting on for 6am) and she quoted just R60!

Damn, I wish I'd taken her away! I was kicking myself the next day.

Next day I had to be at the airport by 5pm. So went to Monte Carlo terma, which was supposed to be busy right from 3pm (when it opens). Sure enough, wandering along the beach towards Monte Carlo and somebody accosts me, suggesting I visit. "Well, sure" I said, "I was going there anyway!". He didn't seem to believe me! Anyway, went in and it *was* busy. Initially more blokes than women but by about 3:30 plenty of decent women had turned up. First chat was with somebody with far too much makeup, which does nothing for me (au naturelle, or complementary rather than OTT). Got rid of her and got talking to a nice darkie. Chatted for about 5 minutes, fondled, usual stuff. She then asked if I wanted sex and I said "ok, let's go" and went straight off to the room! I wasn't fast at cumming (condoms do that to me) so by the time I'd finished we were both absolutely knackered and heavily sweaty. Still, she seemed to enjoy the longetivity as it appears that most men cum in only a few minutes... oh well! Again, a long cuddle til I looked at her watch, and it was time to go! A great ending to Brazil! R224 for sex and my water (she didn't want a drink).

Compared to Bangkok, I'd say this is a totally different experience. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Give it a try, and if you want to stay safe, stick to the termas. Help is crap, some of the Boites may have decent women but you risk a bad experience, and probably best to avoid the streetwalkers!

One final request: can everybody quote in LOCAL currency, as quoting in US dollars is less use than a chocolate teapot when the exchange rate has gone down by 50% compared to my currency in the last couple of years? Thanks!

Bubba Boy
03-30-05, 00:08
Euro: Thanks for your comments. I actually planned to go to the Scotch bar but could not find it, will definitely check it out when I am back in May. I have heard good things about it.

Lorenzo: I knew I would make a few errors, I will correct Paulistas to paulistanos when I update the list again. I intend to keep my "mini guide" up to date, if only for my own reference. Will try to add a couple of more "parts" to it like restaurants etc and post it here once in a while. My aim in life is to be able to nail as many brasilian babes as you do when I am your age!

Bunda boy: Man I love the name, if I had to describe brasil by using only one word "bunda" would be it, Brasil is all about the the "ass", man I love brasilians asses, but I am digressing.............My comments about Help were not actually against the place, hell 250 available brasilian chics in anyone place can only be good. My point was more about careful selection of girls, something you seem to have down pat, Kudos to you. I can also see Lorenzo's point, there are other options about which some may find better. Its all about personal preference. Todo bom! (its all good)

Bubba Boy
03-30-05, 00:23
Papi,

What airport are you flying into or out of? Basically if you fly into "GIG" the main international airport you may be cutting it tight on time because that airport is in Zona Norte (the north zone) and is a dangerous area and you will have to go into centro or Zona sul (the south zone, copa or Ipanema etc) to get to the action. Thats a 30 minutes cab ride each way, maybe 45minutes in heavy traffic times.

If you are flying into the domestic airport you certainly could grab a "bite to eat" during your layover. The domestic airport is "SDU" santos Dumont, and is only a 5minute cab ride away from Terma Aeroporto or Terma Rio Antigo, maybe 15minutes (R18 in a cab if you hail one at the entrance, avoid the touts) to Zona Sul or 10minutes into Centro proper (4x4 etc). The terma staff will store any luggage for you and it should be relatively safe. You will of course have to be flying in after 3pm to take advantage of the termas. So yes it is possible, but all the planets will have to align for you.

Rio Bob
03-30-05, 02:15
Bubba Boy,

1) It's great that you provided so much info on Help!, and maybe it is some people's cup of tea, but IMHO Help! is strictly for newbies and is best avoided. Since there is so much luscious, luscious, luscious pussy in elsewhere in Rio at far more pleasant establishments, why bother with Help! at all? But I guess this is something mongers will just have to decide for themselves.

Well, I have been going to Rio since 1980 and I love going to HELP, is it for newbies? Well, I have seen a lot of newbies at the termas, its perfect for them, no need of language skills, no need to negotiate, no fear of getting ripped off or of even being rejected like back at home, 40 minutes in a cabine, how safe can you get. I don't go to termas's anymore because it is the most boring experience in Rio IMHO.

Trev 59
03-30-05, 12:32
I'm planning a week or so in Rio in June some work (maybe) and lotsa play!

Any fellow WSG fans like to meet up?

I've been once before but was all work no play, lots of looking though!

Would appreciate contact with fellow WSG fans :-)

Papi Que Rico
03-30-05, 18:05
Regretfully I will be flying in and out of GIG. I guess I'll have to spend the time viewing the eye candy at the airport and getting ready for a night in Salvador.

Thank you for your reply, and also for your great reports. You are turly an asset to this site.

Papi

Dawg2
03-31-05, 21:14
I'm planning a week or so in Rio in June some work (maybe) and lotsa play!

Any fellow WSG fans like to meet up?

I've been once before but was all work no play, lots of looking though!

Would appreciate contact with fellow WSG fans :-)59,

I'll be there June 8th thru 15.

Peter Kin
03-31-05, 23:44
Planning my first visit and am trying to position the best "hot spots" with a possible hotel. I have a map of the hotel but does anyone have a map of the best places?
If I stay at the Rio International would I be centrally located in Copa?

Thanks in anticipation.

Young & Restless
04-01-05, 02:26
Bravo, Bubba Boy! What else can I say? You’re a true wealth of knowledge when it comes to partying in Brazil and especially Rio. Having been to Rio 4-times in the past few years, I can honestly say that your report is right on the money and anyone that is debating/planning a trip should use the information in your report when making their decision.

Great report!

Y & R

Pix 13
04-01-05, 03:21
@simmer, m8 good to see you got back safely, am a bit disappointed about your experience in Help, because will be going next week and was looking forward to Help.

Can you tell me what day of the week you went, what time you got in, did you sit outside Mei Pataca and watch the talent first, before going in? Jeees a 150 fat ugly ones, there must have been a few stanners at least?

Sidhartha
04-01-05, 04:43
I agree with everyone. Bubba is going to a special place in heaven. Great job.
One point on which I have never found much information: if one gets to Centro by underground or bus, how then to get to some of the major termas, like 4X4?

Simmer
04-01-05, 17:44
Pix 13,

I went on Tuesday evening. Walked around outside until about 11:30 then went in. Nobody interesting outside as far as I was concerned. Inside were mostly females until about 11:45-12 when it started getting busy. By 1am it was very busy. I left at about 2am as the quality was going downhill (I guess the good stuff was being whisked away!). What was left wasn't really worth the effort. Perhaps I was a little harsh, but frankly I would sleep with them for free, but for money you expect just that little bit more - which they didn't have. Sure, there was the odd good-looker - on some bloke's arm. I found the termas and boites far better quality.

I was initially not bothered about the termas because it sounded too "sanitised". But they turned out to be far better than I thought - you can have a bit of fun, and a drink, and there's no real pressure.

Forgot to mention money: with a UK debit card I was able to only use maybe half the cash machines (ATMs). Others flatly refused to served me. HSBC worked though. Make sure you have enough cash for a day at a time, as you may struggle to find a working cash machine later in the evening.

Enjoy yourself next week!

El Mujerista
04-02-05, 01:47
One point on which I have never found much information: if one gets to Centro by underground or bus, how then to get to some of the major termas, like 4X4?Sid, it's pretty easy by Metró (I haven't used the bus), though I recommend you take along a good map of Centro to navigate on the surface. Presumably you'll be coming from Copacabana (Rua Siqueira Campos is as far south as the Metró currently runs, though there is connecting bus service to Ipanema), so you just need to get on the train (Linha 1, orange line, but that'll be the only choice) and head to Centro (direction Saens Peña).

Termas 65 (aka Meia Cinco) and 4X4 are only a couple of blocks from each other, and both are within a few blocks walk from the Uruguaiana Metró station. Head for the Rua Uruguaiana exit and then look for either Rua Rosario for Termas 65 or Rua Buenos Aires for 4X4.

Termas Aeroporto is a few blocks from the Cinelândia station. Take the Rua Santa Luzia exit and head for Av. Beira Mar.

For those staying at Centro, Gloria or Botafogo, take the train the opposite way (direction Siqueira Campos) and get out where the train terminates. From there, you'll be in easy walking distance of L'uomo (just a few metres away) or Monte Carlo (about six blocks).

Happy Hunting,
EM

Rabo Verde
04-02-05, 07:48
By Michael Astor
ASSOCIATED PRESS

6:59 p.m. April 1, 2005

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil – Police incensed by investigations of brutality and corruption by "bad" cops may have carried out a massacre in two impoverished suburbs of Rio de Janeiro, killing 30 people, state officials said Friday.

Another victim was left brain dead in Thursday's onslaught in Nova Iguacu and Queimados, crime-infested suburbs 20 miles northwest of Rio, said Claudia Guerreiro, a spokeswoman for the Rio Public Safety Department.

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In Queimados, gunmen mowed down 12 people, some in Bible Square and others in front of a car wash, she said. In nearby Nova Iguacu, they killed 15 people at a bar, she said.

"There are strong indications that the massacres could have been a reprisal ... for the arrest of eight police officers suspected of killing two men in police station" earlier this week, Guerreiro said.

The eight were caught on camera dumping the bodies of the two men outside the station, Guerreiro said.

Marcelo Itagiba, head of the Rio de Janeiro State Public Safety Department, said authorities were investigating whether police participated in Thursday's suburb slayings and if so, "we will be implacable."

He said the massacre may have been the work of people "unhappy with our investigations into crimes committed by police officers and with our efforts to weed out corrupt and bad policemen."

One victim was 13-year-old Felipe Soares Carlos, who had had just returned from school.

"He went out to play with his friends and minutes later I heard shots," said his 17-year-old sister, Priscila. "I went out and saw a lot of bodies stretched out on the street and then I saw my brother. I touched him and his eyes rolled over and I knew he was dead."

"One minute you see all these kids you have known for years playing in the street and the next minute they are all dead," said Maria Jose, who owns a neighborhood bar. "It was shocking."

Sobbing families of the victims flocked to the Austin Cemetery in Nova Iguacu for the funerals that began late Friday. Many held up pictures of their slain relatives, who ranged in age from 13 to 64.

"He went to get cigarettes. I heard shots and went to see what happened. My son was dead," said Rosa Maria Silva, whose 19-year-old son Jonas was among the victims.

Several lawmakers also attended the funeral. "Experience has shown that this type of crime is always carried out by the underworld of the police apparatus," said Jorge Piciani, president of the Rio de Janeiro state assembly.

The human rights group Amnesty International said the killings were reminiscent of massacres by Rio death squads.

Twelve years ago, death squads killed eight street children while they slept outside Rio de Janeiro's Candelaria church. A month later, 21 people in Rio's Vigario Geral shantytown were gunned down, apparently in retaliation for the killing of police allegedly involved in drug dealing.

Rio de Janeiro is one of the world's most violent cities, with a homicide rate of around 50 per 100,000 residents.

"We are relying on the cooperation of residents of the entire region to carry out the investigation," said security inspector-general Joao Carlos Ferreira, who said of the shooters' motive: "We are not ruling out any hypothesis."

"It all happened so quickly," a witness told TV Globo News.

In Nova Iguazu the gunmen "began firing on six people inside a bar and then on another nine people in the vicinity," said another witness whose son was among the victims.

Mr Itagiba said the drive-by slaughter may have been revenge killings for the arrest of 15 police officers in the murder of two people in nearby Caixias.

Rio's largest previous massacre was on August 29, 1993 when about 30 police officers killed 21 residents of the Vigario Geral shantytown.

Those killings were described as revenge for the murders of four police who had run-ins with alleged drug dealers in the shantytown.

Hot To Cool
04-02-05, 08:49
I'm on my way to Salvador in a month. I've got a 4.5 hour layover in Rio. Any chance of my having enough time to dash out for my first garota de programa during this wait?Papi,

What you could do is take a taxi to Vila Mimosa, which is located in the north zone. There is security within the U-shaped compound of "establishments." Even if you don't partake( the rooms are a bit dingy), it's worth it just for the experience. If you do, it's 25 R for 30 minutes including the room.

Boa viagem,

Hot To Cool

Rio Bob
04-03-05, 18:51
***Help***
***When it is time to leave always negotiate the time, the service if necessary (anal ect) and price in Reals. Write it down when you get home if necessary, one of my friends does this, I think he is nuts (and he probably is, but that is another story), but he very rarely lets any working girl get the better of him and he speaks zero Portuguese. Make sure the price is clear and is in Reals not dollars.

All good advice that you gave but I would like to add that depending on the exchange rate at the time you may want to give dollars instead of Reals. And I also would like to add that now since the dollar is weak I bet you can't find a garota that would ask for dollars they would rather have 300 reais instead of $100, like in the past. For example about 3 years ago, if you gave a girl from Help $100 then she can turn around and exchange it for 400 reais now she can only get 275 reais. Today I would prefer to pay in dollars if they would even take it.

Also writing everything down like a contract? Time, money, service? Well if you do it then in a round about subtle way you are telling her you don't trust her, sure she won't then try to cheat you but you wouldn't be making any friends fast, you will turn her off, remember these programmas are people too and they are girls. I prefer to be nice to them, sweet talk them, have fun with them and believe me if they like you they won't cheat you, they also will want to stay the night and they may even beg you to service them which is the real GFE.

Rio Bob
04-03-05, 19:03
@simmer, m8 good to see you got back safely, am a bit disappointed about your experience in Help, because will be going next week and was looking forward to Help.

Can you tell me what day of the week you went, what time you got in, did you sit outside Mei Pataca and watch the talent first, before going in? Jeees a 150 fat ugly ones, there must have been a few stanners at least?

Pix, dont worry, There may have been 150 fat girls in Help but what about the other 100. Girls are constantly moving in and out of Help, I have seen it where one minute it was dead and 20 minutes later I didn't know which one to pick. Go with an open mind, you will see why they call this the greatest disco in the F***ING World.

Rio Bob
04-04-05, 02:23
***Help***

***Always take a taxi from help. Many street kids line up around Help and particularly the side streets leading back to Avinida Noss S Copacabana. Never walk along Avinida Atlantico (the street that follows the beach) late and never walk along any beach late. The taxis lined up out front of Help are a disgrace and will not use the meter, they will try to charge you at least double the fare, maybe more. I usually leave Help, turn right, walk along the footpath that fronts Restaurant Atlantico and go and stand outside of Bobs (a Brasilian McDonalds like burger joint) or grab a cab as it is turning into the first street between Bobs and Restaurant Atlantico. Once inside the cab and the meter is on you will be on your way home, if the meter is not put on point at it, if it is still not on jump right out. This is important in that the girl will know you are not a greenhorn and an easy target. If the girl complains about why you are not taking a cab outside of Help just say "outro taxi" (english - other taxi) ----and point to the cabs out front and say "bandidos" (bad men, bandits) and you are walking quickly towards Bobs. She will know what you mean and that you are not a greenhorn.

I just want to say that first you say don't walk along Ave Atlantica then you say walk along ave atlantica to find a taxi that uses their meter. Well let me tell you, I stayed a 5 reais taxi fare away from Help last time for a metered fare and at 3 or 4 in the morning when it is most dangerous most taxis in front of Help were quoting me 10 reais, 5 reais more is less than 2 dollars, I figured my safety was worth more than less than 2 dollars. I chose not to walk where you say and grab another taxi because I felt that the exposure in the street was not worth it, your talking about going a block or two more in the most dangerous part of Copacabana at the most dangerous time of night to save 2 dollars? People your spending thousands on airfare, hotel, food and garotas, don't skimp on your safety, when you leave Help, yes don't get ripped off always ask first to the taxi driver how much but if it is just a few dollars then just get the hell out of there as quickly as possible. And for sure you can bargain with these guys if they ask for way too much then just tell him what you are willing to spend, for the most part during the hours of the morning the taxis have a right to charge more for a ride, it is normal.

Rio Bob
04-04-05, 02:36
***Help***
***Heavily screen her. Any sign she is off her head or displaying weird behaviour, get rid of her. I think it is best to spend at least 30 minutes with her before going. Buy her a drink, they are cheap as hell, have a dance with her....have a bit of a discreet fondle...(but don’t think you are in a terma, as that much groping will get your ass kicked out of the place and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) her off), make sure there are no glowing signs she is going to cause trouble or fuck you. The key here is pay attention to any "flags", if you have any doubts ditch her and get another one.

Yes great advice but the beauty of Help is that before hand you and her can act as if you just met in a club in New York, you can dance and drink for a couple of hours and really get to know her. Also if she is really good and sophisticated then you will not see any weird behaviour, if she is really sharp and if she feels you are a real greenhorn nubie, then you will not see it, she will make you feel like you have died and went to heaven, then when it is too late if she is a real pro she will deliver the message and it will all be over. To tell you the truth most of the girls from Help that I have met through the years have been on the up and up maybe 90% so don't be too paranoid about it all.

Rio Bob
04-04-05, 02:51
***Hooker Beach***

There is a highly organised area of Copa often known as "hooker beach". Alot of the girls you see in Help at night or at some of the Avinida Atlantica restaurants will hang here during the day. They will usually go for R100 -R150 for a couple of hours, negotiate- start low. It is directly opposite Meia Pataca on Copacabana beach, not far from Help.

Again be careful here with the Touts, they are there to rip you off, not to assist. They will try to organise everything for you and are quite persistent. If I choose to relax her for a few minutes, I will negotiate a chair for R10 and get my own drinks or if I want to speak to a girl I will go over and introduce myself. If you let the Touts bring you drinks, introduce you to girls etc and you don't negotiate the price of their service upfront they will hit you for as much as they can get out of you, avoid them for EVERYTHING but the chair rental. You can get drinks yourself at the Kiosk in the part of the beach. From memory beers are R4, be careful drinking beers on the beach, they go straight to your head and you will get drunk twice as quickly.


Beers normally at a barraca are 2 reais , if your paying 4 reais you are paying Ahole prices. The best way to find out how much beer is going for is to buy your first beer away from "Hooker beach" which is in front of the Rio Othon Palace hotel, just go to any barraca on the beach and buy a beer, it is usually 2 reais then on hooker beach if they want to charge you more at a barraca then just tell then 2 reais or Ill go somewhere else. The guys who serve you at your chair of course charge you extra for their service , it is normal and normal is 3 reais for them to go to the barraca while you sit in the chair and vegitate.

Rio Bob
04-04-05, 03:03
***Help***

***Always watch and get your own drink. I have personally spoken to guys that have been drugged and ripped off, not common but not a good thing to go through.

Yes there are some who may want to slip you a boa noite cinderella but they won't do it in Help they will do it when they are in your apartment because if they do it in Help then you may fall down in Help and not make it to your apartment. And they for the most part will not do it if you are staying in a hotel and they left their documentation at the front desk. If you are staying in an apartment be careful, when you lock the door from the inside , hide the key so she can't get out unless you let her out.

Bubba Boy
04-04-05, 20:36
Many thanx Y & R, I still read your report from time to time, note the comment in my writings "no one cool has ever come out of sampa?" stolen straight from your writings........haha.

Rio Bob, I have no idea what your problem is with Lorenzo, me or the world in general.

Young & Restless
04-04-05, 21:07
Bubba Boy,

No worries, amigo! I borrowed that line myself from City of God. hehehe

Both you and Rio Bob have been very good contributors to this forum and I think he was just tweaking a few things in your report. I know that I appreciate both of your opinions and I'm pretty sure I speak on everyone else's behalf too.

Take it easy,

Y & R

Peter Kin
04-04-05, 21:44
I know we prefer no clothes, but what sort of clothes should I take for late May? I know it won't matter in the termas, but at Help etc what is appropriate? Jeans? Light shirt? short sleeves? etc.

Also what about day time? Are shorts worn apart from the beach?

Any help for this first timer would be appreciated.

Rio Bob
04-05-05, 01:56
Many thanx Y & R, I still read your report from time to time, note the comment in my writings "no one cool has ever come out of sampa?" stolen straight from your writings........haha.

Rio Bob, I have no idea what your problem is with Lorenzo, me or the world in general.

My problems with the world in general are beyond the scope of this forum. But I just offered my opinion and experience in relation to what you posted. Your post was full of very good information but like Y and R suggested I just tweaked it based upon my experience in the matter. I don't have a problem with you or Lorenzo but I think Lorenzo should leave Mother Teresa out of this forum and if he doesn't think that Help is suited for his tastes then that is fine but he shouldn't classify the people who go there in an erroneous manner.

Track Star
04-05-05, 15:18
Fellow Mongers

I just returned from a nice trip to Rio. Did 7 girls while I was there. They all came out of Meia Petaca and Help. My favorite garota remains Suleica a girl from Manaus that has black hair, nice face, nice body and provides a good GFE experience and she is a very good fuck as well. She knows her shit. She has been in the business for 5 years and is evidently quite busy and successful. She owns 2 houses and a car!! I spent 3 days with her before I kicked her b out. What happened between us could be typical. I was in contact with her via letter and email before I arrived telling her when I would arrive and if she could meet me at MP at a certain time Friday March 25th. I go to MP and don't see her before Monday at MP. Of course she was busy with other clients. That was no problem with me since I went to HELP and picked other talent in the meantime. When we finally meet at MP on Monday she gets an attitude saying she has been looking for me, that I dont lover her anymore and that I have turned into this multi-garota guy. I am able to calm her down but I do sense this possesiveness that these girls often have to make sure they capture your reais. Be real guys it is all about the reais not about you. They fuck hundereds of guys a year. We spend the day at the beach next day and she ask me to buy her beach slippers, bikini etc which I do (chumpchange in anyway..I am not trying to say I am a millionaire..okay). Then she is asking if I am going to buy her Bambino a gift etc which I ignore. She also mentions how much she likes the italian and how generous they are etc. That same night we meet up at MP after a day at the beach (by the way I took her to a nice restaurant late after noon for a late afternoon dinner). As we sit at MP anotehr cute girl that I had fucked a few nights before that have the hots for me sees me says hi and kisses me on the cheek and goes back to her table a few seats away. My garota Suleica I can see gets jealous and proceeds to says goosh you fucked her and takes her tongue out like she is diwsgusted to the point of thowing up. She proceeds to say that that girl stole $5000 from an American etc. We invite an American name Steve to the table who speaks Portugese. He talks to Suleica and her sister (who is also a gartoa de programma). Suleica proceeds to tell him that she had met a good looking italian earlier that had given her his telephone number and that wanted to pay her more money than I was paying but she had told him she was staying with me. She told the American that she did not need to stay with me but just did it since she liked me. Evidently she was pulled this massive Italian deal to make me mad and also because she was still very mad and jealous over the fact that this girl came over and kissed me. Now I was kind of getting a little mad too because I was tired of hearing how great the italians were, how generous they are. I am originally from Norway and have a dual citizenship Norway/USA and are a proud member of two proud nations. Americans and Norwegians are not inferior to Italians in anyway. Just to digress the national sport and pride of the nation of Norway is the most cardio-demanding sport in the world cross country ski racing which I also happen to be a competitor in. (in Norway this is considered the ultimate test of your manhood) In the 4 last Olympic cross country ski relays for men since 1992 Norway has kicked Italy's ass 3 out of 4 times!!!..last time in Salt Lake City 2002. She is fucking a Nordic God and proceed to pull this italian crap on me..give me a break and I kick her out the next morning after having fucked her long and hard the night before. I fucked her hard for an entire hour calling her ***** etc in Norwegian and being very loud and using verbally abusive and sexually explicit language during the long sexual act before I pulled out, ripped the condom off and sprayed a massive load on her tummy and little airstrip of hair above her pussy...which creates a great sense of pride for your ego. By the way Red Bull and Chivas regal works the same as Viagra..gives you a massive orgasm with max sperm output...try it!

Finally these Italians needs to wake up. They think these girls are real girlfriends and marriage material. Get real. Italianos stop being stupid.

Hi,

This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.

I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it very difficult to read a report that is written as one long block of text. It's kind of like trying to eat an entire steak in one bite.

I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key every few sentences while you're writing, and thus break your report into smaller paragraphs, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.

Thanks,

Jackson

Papi Muy Rico
04-05-05, 21:57
I am going to Rio for 5 days and then Manaus for 2 weeks.

I plan to:

1. Go to a couple termas.

2. I will try the agencies for the first time.

3 Go to a couple Normal Clubs: Bombar. Melt, etc to drool over some local non pro cariocas babes ( and do something about it!).

4. Do the normal tourist stuff: Sugar loaf, etc.

5. Go to local pub to watch some good Football ( not American Football but the real stuff AKA soccer).

I would like to hook with fellow associates to share couple beers and "sports" activities.

I:
Speak portuguese very well
Know the city quite good

So le's do it

I was offered a good deal at the Mar Ipanema Hotel at Rua Visconde de Piraja in Ipanema, have anyone been there? Is it comfortable/clean/overall good? At least is well located

I don't care about been girl-friendly since I have too many gadgets with me and don't want to risk them so I am going to sex motels.

Cheers

Rio Bob
04-06-05, 02:15
Fellow Mongers

Americans and Norwegians are not inferior to Italians in anyway. Just to digress the national sport and pride of the nation of Norway is the most cardio-demanding sport in the world cross country ski racing which I also happen to be a competitor in. (in Norway this is considered the ultimate test of your manhood) In the 4 last Olympic cross country ski relays for men since 1992 Norway has kicked Italy's ass 3 out of 4 times!!!..

Track Star your right Americans are not inferior to Italians as a matter of fact many Americans are of Italian heritage and many other nationalities. What is inferior now is the dollar compared to the Euro and as a result the Europeans have more buying power and that is why you are feeling this way.

I remember just several years ago when the dollar was strong and the Euro was much weaker girls were complaining to me how cheap the Italians are and now it is just the opposite, don't take this personal it is simply the exchange rate.

In Rio cross country skiing doesn't matter much but another cardio demanding sport does matter in Rio and I may add that the Italians are very good at it and that is what we are all going there for because the garotas are very good at it too.

Rio Bob
04-06-05, 02:24
I know we prefer no clothes, but what sort of clothes should I take for late May? I know it won't matter in the termas, but at Help etc what is appropriate? Jeans? Light shirt? short sleeves? etc.

Also what about day time? Are shorts worn apart from the beach?

Any help for this first timer would be appreciated.

Pete, i think that you have got it right, late May the temp may still be in the 80's during the day and at night close to it so shorts during the day and short sleeve shirt at night with jeans fine but no shorts in HELP.

Euro100
04-06-05, 05:20
I know we prefer no clothes, but what sort of clothes should I take for late May? I know it won't matter in the termas, but at Help etc what is appropriate? Jeans? Light shirt? short sleeves? etc.


Peter,

I see Americans walking around in Rio decked out in baseball caps, Hawaii shirts, golf shorts, and tube socks. This just screams "I am a foreigner, please rob me". Instead wear soccer shorts, no socks, T-shirt to the beach.

Don't forget sunglasses, CHEAP ONES!!! Also, get a $5 watch. If you get robbed at the beach, you will not mind giving up the watch and sunglasses.

One more good item of clothing: get a money belt. They look like normal belts, but have a zipper inside. This is not an idiotproof defense against getting robbed, but still ... better than putting the money into your socks (the robbers look in the socks first, by the way ... personal experience).

For the evening I would recommend a thin cotton jacket, not a dress coat, but still nice looking. Plus a pair of pleated khakis and loafers. No tie. Collared light colored shirt (or at least a nice t-shirt). The chicas are a bit more impressed this way. (At least this is what I have experienced.) You can get into any restaurant this way, too.

Many Brazilian men like to dress up a bit in the evening ... if they can afford it.

cheers
euro

Peter Kin
04-08-05, 00:18
I am having trouble identifying this hotel on Google.

Could someone give me the link.

Thanks

billybob
04-08-05, 03:16
I am having trouble identifying this hotel on Google.

Could someone give me the link.

ThanksTry here: http://www.ipanema.com/hotel/p.htm

RexG
04-08-05, 05:36
Peter,

I just posted some contact info for the Princess Copacabana in the Rio Hotels thread. Hopefully it will show up there after it has been reviewed by the moderator.

Rex

Java Man
04-10-05, 09:24
End of Brazil's Daylight Savings Time occured this week, (i think monday.) Rio is now 1 hour ahead of the U.S. Eastern Time Zone.
The Dollar continues to fall against the Real, as of today (4/10/05) the exchange rate is $1=R2.58. Can anyone in Rio tell me what rate the Citibank ATM is exchanging? It was lower by a few cents than the posted rate when i was in Rio in feb.
thanks in advance.

Kenn
04-10-05, 12:03
Chingon

Brazil's time did not change last week. It was the time in the USA that changed last Saturday, Apl.2, that made it now a 1 hour different between Rio and EST in the USA...

Java Man
04-10-05, 17:49
kenn
i didn't realize Brazilian daylight savings time ended feb 20. i've been calling Rio since then and noticed a 4hr difference from chicago (CST.) with the end of US DST i now have a 2hr difference. it seemed like last year, US and Brazil's DST changes almost coincided, but i could be mistaken.
BTW, Brazil DST will start on Oct 16, 05 at midnight. the US on Oct 30, 05 at 2a.

Vitor97
04-10-05, 19:17
I'm going back, it has been 2 years now, I own a small company, deffintely not rich,but I have no kids, no ex wives, and very little bills. I want to have a good time, basiclly drink, sleep, eat, shop, and have fun with lots of beautiful women. I have already dont most of the major site seeing tours, etc, and to me vacation is about relaxing with a good book, putting the cell phone away, leaving the work world behind and having fun. So My main question is,

Once I get to rio, how much money do you think a guy needs to have a good time, American dollars, say I want to sleep with 1 woman a day, maybe have a 3 some, and a few all nighters.

ANy help appreciated,.

Rio Bob
04-11-05, 03:53
I'm going back, it has been 2 years now, I own a small company, deffintely not rich,but I have no kids, no ex wives, and very little bills. I want to have a good time, basiclly drink, sleep, eat, shop, and have fun with lots of beautiful women. I have already dont most of the major site seeing tours, etc, and to me vacation is about relaxing with a good book, putting the cell phone away, leaving the work world behind and having fun. So My main question is,

Once I get to rio, how much money do you think a guy needs to have a good time, American dollars, say I want to sleep with 1 woman a day, maybe have a 3 some, and a few all nighters.

ANy help appreciated,.

The beauty of Rio is that it can be done in many different lifestyles. From Villa Mimosa for your girl and splitting a pizza or eating at Bobs, maybe $60 a day up to getting a stunner at Help for 300 reais and eating in real good restaurants every night throwing in a couple of 3 somes you may be looking at $250 a day US, easy on average.

When I get into town I like to have a refrigarator filled with french champagne, beer, water, rum, vodka and 43 liquor. The girls like nice things and it relaxes them plus you have a better time when they are relaxed and happy.

$250 a day is my number.

Hojo
04-11-05, 05:18
I'm going back, it has been 2 years now, I own a small company, deffintely not rich,but I have no kids, no ex wives, and very little bills. I want to have a good time, basiclly drink, sleep, eat, shop, and have fun with lots of beautiful women. I have already dont most of the major site seeing tours, etc, and to me vacation is about relaxing with a good book, putting the cell phone away, leaving the work world behind and having fun. So My main question is,

Once I get to rio, how much money do you think a guy needs to have a good time, American dollars, say I want to sleep with 1 woman a day, maybe have a 3 some, and a few all nighters.

ANy help appreciated,.

Hello Victor 97,
I second Rio Bobs number of $250 USD/day. This is what I spend on average for a 10 day visit "off season" which includes the following:
- $5/day cell phone
- $45/day apartment
- TLN with Help girl for the night
- 1 therma girl in the Cabina (not the suite) at Lumono or Monte Carlo for the afternoon
- food from moderately priced cafe or restaurant

pop till you drop,
hojo

Lorenzo
04-11-05, 05:25
My problems with the world in general are beyond the scope of this forum. But I just offered my opinion and experience in relation to what you posted. Your post was full of very good information but like Y and R suggested I just tweaked it based upon my experience in the matter. I don't have a problem with you or Lorenzo but I think Lorenzo should leave Mother Teresa out of this forum and if he doesn't think that Help is suited for his tastes then that is fine but he shouldn't classify the people who go there in an erroneous manner.

Excuse me? I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. To my knowledge I have never mentioned Mother Teresa in this forum. Why would I? As for Help!, if you like it, fine. I was just expressing my opinion and not classifying anybody. My experience has been that the majority of the girls there are skanks, and I was trying to help fellow mongers avoid wasting their time. My point was that it's all about quality, which I think is much higher at the termas. Of course, anyone is free to differ.

In fact, Rio Bob, in the past I have thought you were one of the best contributers to this board, one whose posts I always read, along with a handful of others. But lately you seem to have morphed yourself into a one man debating society. Maybe all those weeks when we couldn't access the forum made you cranky. So, let's get back to the comradely spirit of this forum, shall we?

Fraternally, Lorenzo

Member #4156
04-11-05, 07:26
Hello Victor 97,
I second Rio Bobs number of $250 USD/day. This is what I spend on average for a 10 day visit "off season" which includes the following:
- $5/day cell phone
- $45/day apartment
- TLN with Help girl for the night
- 1 therma girl in the Cabina (not the suite) at Lumono or Monte Carlo for the afternoon
- food from moderately priced cafe or restaurant

pop till you drop,
hojoHey Hojo, what apartment did you stay in for $45.00/day. I'm interested!

Track Star
04-11-05, 16:26
Monger-friends,

During my recent stay in Rio from March 25-April 3 I spent $750 to stay in Royal Rio Palace Hotel.

Beyond that I spent $870 airfare round trip from the Pacific Northwest and an additional $2000 of which approx $1000 was for pussy and the other $1000 for food, drinks, souvernirs etc.

Even though I had sex every day I think I need to buy even more pussy next time.

Track Star

Paul VJK
04-11-05, 17:57
Decided I needed a nice break. Fed up with the girls up here in the good ole USA and wanted to have some fun down in RIO. Only had time for a 5 day trip. Was debating about not going cuz that’s a hell of a long flight for only 5 days. Not to worry.

Flew in through Miami. Fucking long flight. Killer. Screaming babies. Now I remember thinking about how it might be a bad omen for the trip. I shouldn’t have worried.

Arrived in the morning. I guess I was lucky as the lines at the airport were relatively short. Stayed at the Royal Palace – Copacabana. www.royalrio.com. Reasonable prices. Well located. Girl Friendly. About two blocks from the beach. What more can you ask for?

Spent most of the first day sleeping. Hung out by the beach for the afternoon. Felt a little nervous cuz I was on my own – but I fell asleep a bit under an umbrella and nothing happened to me. No big deal.

One big revelation in those first few hours in Rio. After reading about all the beautiful girls in Rio, I realized…. They really are beautiful. Wasn’t prepared for this – everywhere I looked was another gorgeous girl.

Mid afternoon I made my way back to the hotel and then on to my first stop – 4x4. A little bit of a drive, but worth it. Again I was nervous cuz I was traveling on my own (plus I only knew a few words of the language). Shouldn’t have worried. They spoke a little English and we communicated just fine. Paid. Went in. Must have been around 60 girls there. Wow. I’ll repeat. Wow.

Wandered around a bit, because I was cautious about being pinned down with someone I wasn’t interested in. Wanted my first Rio girl to be someone I really wanted. The big difficulty wasn’t finding someone I wanted – it was narrowing the selection down. Finally settled on a gorgeous, slim brunette with hair down to her ass. All I needed to do was smile and she was right by my side. Talked a little – she spoke a little English. We sat down and she started groping and we started making out and I couldn’t resist.

Anyways, later that evening I wandered around. Went down to Help but didn’t go in – was too tired. Lots of girls mulling around.

Spent the next day basically the same way. Hung by the beach, went to a Monte Carlo in the early evening and then went to Help at night. Monte Carlo was fine – hooked up with a nice hottie – best blowjob I’ve had in years. Went to Help – I think the trick was to be patient. There were enough hotties that if the price was too high, I could always move on. First few girls quoted me 300. I wasn’t interested at that price and didn’t really negotiate much. Finally one quoted me 300 - but she seemed kind of… lighthearted. So I countered with 10. She laughed and we ended up hanging out the rest of the night. She came back to my place and in the morning I gave her 200.

Went to the beach that day – and started talking to one of the guys who hang out by the beach selling stuff. He brought over this girl – and I ended up back at the hotel with her a few hours later. What a fucking body. And what an appetite for sex. I think her name was Carolina. Big natural tits. Great ass. Blowjob lips. Long, dark hair. She kept me going longer than anyone I’ve ever met.

We went to a restaurant later that evening together and she stayed with me overnight. Ended up giving her 250, I think.

Day 4 was a little touring, Luomo, and Help. Luomo was amazing – but I think my favorite was 4x4. Help was fine – same sort of pattern. I just bided my time until I found someone who was willing to negotiate. Didn’t set my heart on any one girl.

Day 5 was just beach and a beach girl. Found my guy on the beach again and told him I was leaving but I wanted one more girl. No worries – he hooked me up. Back to the hotel, did my final Rio babe and then headed back to the real world.

Some final thoughts – 1) The girls were gorgeous. 2) Had no problem with crime – I just stayed in crowded places. 3) Food was amazing. 4) Everything was cheap 5) Great place for a vacation – even if it’s not a sex vacation.

Regrets: 1) Should have stayed longer. 2) Should have done some brazil travel outside of Rio.

J Wadd
04-11-05, 21:45
Well, someone asked what Citibanks (no apostrophe on this computer) ATM exchange rate is now: 2.53R/1USD!! Fuck me how the dollars dropping. The first time I went to Brasil (3 years ago), it was 3.25R/1USD (it was 2.76 3
three weeks ago).

So, Ive spent months in this country traveling all around the place -- about 200 garotas in 30-or-so cities. Those of us who have spent a little time here are always telling the newcomers TO FUCKING BARGAIN DOWN THE PRICE! Well, now all of us have to pay out the ass for the laziness of some.

300-600R is the standard Rio/SP asking price -- about 120+USD -- which isnt that much better of a deal than you can get in the States. Understand? Instead of paying them a Brasilian months salary for sex, we are soon going to be paying a US months salary for sex. What happened??

All I can hope is that with this reality motivating ALL OF US to give a shit about pricing, we can somehow work it out to get the default/knee-jerk price down to 200R or less (which means negotiating down to 100-150R) -- where it used to be back before MTV/whatever fucked this place up by putting it on the knucklehead gringo sex map.

Sorry for the rant -- its absolutely directed at no one in particular -- Im very type B and look forward to hangin with all of you killers some day as the years go on. The best is yet to come.

Bargain!,
JWadd

Bubba Boy
04-12-05, 03:47
Nice report Paul VJK, reminded me of my first trip and how special it is to see Rio for the first time.

Judd
04-12-05, 07:34
Jwadd,

I was just perusing the Argentine board and noticed the same thing. Prices going up. Not sure if it's economics or gringo mathmatics 101.

Hit it hard!

Late,

Judd

Slick1
04-12-05, 15:13
Bubba Boy

Excellant reports. I will be visiting Rio for the first time in June and I will definetely print out your reports for reference. Thanks again.
By the way, how is the weather in Rio during the later part of June.

Track Star
04-12-05, 16:37
Bubba Boy,

Thank you for excellent reporting. This is valuable info for every serious monger and dedicated Rio hobbyist. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

I cannot wait to get back to Rio again.

Track Star

J Wadd
04-12-05, 20:13
Well done, Bubba Boy. Are you in country right now?

To the rest: I should be dragging my condom cross to Rio this Weds. or Thurs. Anyone interested in an experienced wingman, drop me a p.m. Probably staying at Rio Roiss -- but with the weak dollar being so fucking weak, I'm not sure I can stomach 160R for that semi-dump. Dunno. Will update.

JW

Rio Bob
04-13-05, 00:42
***Metro***


***Common Ailments***

Every time I go to Brazil I get a bad case of the flu, seems just about every other Gringo that goes there also gets it and it really can knock the shit out of you. It is a good idea to OD on Vitamin C or better still get some flu shots before hitting Rio, your immune system may be weakened from the flight, general partying and lack of sleep. I have finally found a solution that works for me. As soon as I feel the affects of a cold come on I get stuck into the Antibiotics, the longer the symptoms go without treatment means longer recovery time and less sexo. The one that works for a bad case of the flu is Azitromicina Dildratada (generic name). It costs about R26 for 3 tablets (take 1 per day with food), is available without prescription from the local Drogaria of which there is one on every corner. They worked so well for me I stocked up on them and keep them in my travel bag. If you don't speak Porto, just write it down and take it to the farmacia, the back section not the cashiers, and they will get it for you.

Look I know you guys hate me already and Im sorry but having a cold will never ever ever be cured by taking an antibiotic. A cold is a result of a virus and antibiotic's do not kill virus's they kill bacterial infections.

You can take all the antibiotics in the world that you want, the only thing that it will do for you is that in the future when you really need an antibiotic it won't work on you. Just be carefull about taking drugs in Rio without the guidance of a Doctor unless you really know what your doing. The only thing that will cure a cold or a virus is rest and plenty of it.

Im not a Doctor either but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

Lorenzo
04-13-05, 03:50
Bubba Boy,

Another great report as usual. Your reports, IMHO, are the standard by which other reports are measured. You should write a guidebook for mongers; maybe you already are and these reports are first drafts? Thanks for quoting me, BTW.

Paul VJK,

Great report for a first timer. You must be a quick study.

Rio Bob is right; antibiotics will do nothing for a cold. They will probably be effective against diarrhea, unless it is a side effect of a viral infection. When I travel to the tropics, I usually bring a bottle of 500mg Cipro tabs. Remember if you start taking Cipro, you have to finish the whole bottle or it may make things worse. Also, I usually bring all the OTC meds I might need from home, especially Imodium, which I have never been able to find in Brazil. I find buying OTC meds in Brazil very frustrating, so I would prefer not to go through that.

At the risk of sounding like a cultural imperialist, I must say that I am a bit leery of Brazilian medicine in general. First of all, medical training in Brazil consists of only 6 years post-secondary education, as opposed to 8 years in the US, Canada, and Europe. Besides, I had a personal experience a few years ago that didn't leave me with a lot of confidence. I was at the Sambodromo during Carnaval and got very sick--vomited, felt feverish, sweating, etc. Fortunately, there was a doctor on site. He felt my forehead, listened to my heart and lungs, then proceeded to write me 3 prescriptions. I asked him somewhat incredulously if he wasn't going to take my temperature, since I was sure I had a fever. He said that he didn't need to take my temperature since he could tell from listening to my heart that I had a fever. Now I had never heard anything like this, so when I got back to the US I asked my doctor about this. He had a skeptical look on his face and said that yes, it was true that you can tell if someone has a fever by listening to the heart, but that it isn't good practice because you can't tell the degree or severity of the fever that way. He added that any competent physician would take a pulse, temperature, and blood pressure. I should also add that I went to a Brazilian dentist when a crown came off, and I was quite happy with his service. At least he had a good chairside manner. He just glued the crown back in place and charged me R$100. That was 2 years ago and the crown is still in place.

Lorenzo

Bubba Boy
04-13-05, 04:07
De Nada, Trackstar.


Slick1, Weather is ok in June, it never gets really cold in Rio. I still wear shorts during the day, nights you may consider something extra ontop of your shirt if it is raining, but then if you are from a cold climate a t shirt may get you thru. Think 16-19C (60-65F) during the night and 18-23C (65-75F) during the day.


Jwadd, I generally don't post when I am in Rio, to busy! It is only when I go home that I write about Rio, I guess I miss the place! I will be there late may/early june and then early July for a couple of weeks.

Quote:Rio Bob. "Look I know you guys hate me already and Im sorry but".

Bob, I have zero problem with your posts, post away.........

Amerioca
04-13-05, 15:06
I just wanted to let fellow mongers know that Via Show was recently purchased by the dono(owner) of Universal Church. It is just a matter of time before it is converted into a place of worship.

For those not familiar with Via Show, it is a popular dance/concert hall located in Via Dutra, KM 167 on Linha Vermelha (red line expressway). Approx. 35 to 55 minutes north of Rio in Baixada Fluminense. Everything from live bands to funk djs play at this venue.

Expect a crowd of a few thousand on the weekends or when a popular event is being held. Lotsa honeys to be found...civilians, not on the program. Many Cariocas frequent this place.

If you are in Zona Sul, and not familiar with the public transportation system, I would rec. a taxi. Should not cost you more that 55 Reals (one way) on Bandeira 2 (level 2) on the meter. It is always best to ask the taxista first for an estimate.

By bus, I would suggest going to a rodoviara (bus station), either Novo Rio or Praxa 15. Catch an express bus (designated by an "R" after the line number) for Nova Iguacu. Sit up front near the bus driver. Tell him you want to stop at Via Show..."Para pra mi, Via Show por favor." Wouldn't hurt if you tipped him a Real or two. Also, the location will be hard to miss. Right off the expressway, big signs, and crowds of people hanging out front.

Things usually get going at around 10pm or so. The festa continues into the break of dawn. If you come much earlier, you can monger over at the mall across the street.

When you are ready to do the do, there are many motels in the area to choose from. I strongly rec. Champion. It is the top dog of motels. Like VIPs in Vidigal but, without the ocean view and high prices.

If your mission was not completed, and need to get back to Zona Sul, I strongly rec. a taxi. Again, ask the taxista for pricing. Taking a bus back is a no no late at night.

Good hunting.

John
04-13-05, 16:32
Bubba Boy,

Thank you very much for such nice reports. I strongly recommend that you request Jackson for having a separate section for your reports. They are too valuable for us mongers to be lost in all the posts in the Rio section. It is like a guide for us mongers and I don't think you can get this much information all together even if we read 50 or more pages of the Rio Section.

Thank you once again.

John.

Prosal
04-14-05, 12:12
Amerioca

Very good post about Via Show, thanks for it, we need more like that, and less "essential infos for newbies" which have already been rehearsed here hundreds times.

Copa is a very unrepresentative and very small part of Rio, and the other areas deserve more reports. I'd be curious and very interested to hear about Tijuca, Meier, Vila Isabel, as about any other northern district where's tons of availables cuties eager to meet gringos, as about Niteroi, where the bar and disco's scene is highly good, or close cities as Nova Iguacu or Duque de Caxias.

J Wadd
04-14-05, 17:56
PM for wingman and club-troll buddy.

JW

Fartknocker
04-14-05, 19:33
Look I know you guys hate me already and Im sorry but having a cold will never ever ever be cured by taking an antibiotic. A cold is a result of a virus and antibiotic's do not kill virus's they kill bacterial infections.

Not completely true. Depends on what type of "cold" you are talking about. I just got over a nasty "chest cold" that was cleared up by (doctor prescribed) antibiotics quite nicely. "Cold" is really too generic of a word to be meaningful.

Personally, my major complaint with Brazil is that I seem to frequently get a "dor de barriga" -- the "shits," aka Montezuma's Revenge Estilo Brasileiro. Contrary to what many Brazilians will tell you, the water is most emphatically NOT safe. Additionally, general sanitation is abysmal by 1st world standard.

As a few of you might know, I own a bar down in small beach town in Brazil. Like most bars and restaurants in Brazil, we don't have running hot water. Plates, glasses and silverware are all washed cold with a bit of antibacterial soap. On busy nights, when glasses are in short supply, a dirty glass straight from someone elses lips may only get a pass through a sinkful of cold soapy water and a couple of quick scrubs. If that person had something beyond the capabilities of antibacterial soap to exterminate, then the next person to use that glass probably gets it too.

Poor sanitation, as described above, is so universal that you probably can't avoid it. Your best bet is to bring plenty of Imodium, or some other brand of anti-diarrhea that you know works well for you. Chances are pretty good if you are there for more than a couple of weeks that you will need it.

Rio Bob
04-16-05, 04:48
Well, someone asked what Citibanks (no apostrophe on this computer) ATM exchange rate is now: 2.53R/1USD!! Fuck me how the dollars dropping. The first time I went to Brasil (3 years ago), it was 3.25R/1USD (it was 2.76 3
three weeks ago).

So, Ive spent months in this country traveling all around the place -- about 200 garotas in 30-or-so cities. Those of us who have spent a little time here are always telling the newcomers TO FUCKING BARGAIN DOWN THE PRICE! Well, now all of us have to pay out the ass for the laziness of some.

300-600R is the standard Rio/SP asking price -- about 120+USD -- which isnt that much better of a deal than you can get in the States. Understand? Instead of paying them a Brasilian months salary for sex, we are soon going to be paying a US months salary for sex. What happened??

All I can hope is that with this reality motivating ALL OF US to give a shit about pricing, we can somehow work it out to get the default/knee-jerk price down to 200R or less (which means negotiating down to 100-150R) -- where it used to be back before MTV/whatever fucked this place up by putting it on the knucklehead gringo sex map.

Sorry for the rant -- its absolutely directed at no one in particular -- Im very type B and look forward to hangin with all of you killers some day as the years go on. The best is yet to come.

Bargain!,
JWadd

JWadd, we all fell your pain but you can't blame it all on MTV because no one was complaining 3 or 4 years ago when the dollar was fetching 4 reais to the dollar and 300 reais was $75. Part of the pain is from the weak dollar and part of the pain is from the strong Euro. If you got Europeans coming into town giving the girls 400 and 500 reais because of the strong exchange rate for them it doesn't mean as much to them as it does to us then sure the price is going to go up.

This last trip of mine I was amazed at how many girls start at 500 reais then go to 400 but stand at 300. It is tough to get a real nice one to go down to 200 now and why should she when she can get a European to give her 400 reais easy.

Yes Rio is more popular now too as a result of new publicity in some music videos and therefore the demand is up for the girls services, simple economics dictates that when demand rises and supply doesn't meet the new demand then the market dictates that the price will rise, what we need is more girls and that will happen when they hear how much girls are making in Help for a night which means sooner or later things should even out and probably settle at 300 reais for a nice one at Help.

Rio Bob
04-16-05, 04:56
Not completely true. Depends on what type of "cold" you are talking about. I just got over a nasty "chest cold" that was cleared up by (doctor prescribed) antibiotics quite nicely. "Cold" is really too generic of a word to be meaningful.

Personally, my major complaint with Brazil is that I seem to frequently get a "dor de barriga" -- the "shits," aka Montezuma's Revenge Estilo Brasileiro. Contrary to what many Brazilians will tell you, the water is most emphatically NOT safe. Additionally, general sanitation is abysmal by 1st world standard.


Yes Fartnocker you are absolutely right that it depends upon what type of a cold and a cold that is a result of a virus then antibiotics will have as much affect on as taking viagra does.

I also get the Montezumas revenge on occasion in Rio, not sick sick where I am in bed for days but sort of a milder case where as soon as I eat something I need to run quickly to a banhiero, not good when you are with a chica but the same as you all say, most times in Rio towards the end of the trip when I am run down I feel sick. Thats when I take a day or two off and rest then I come back strong and have a good time.

Sidhartha
04-16-05, 05:21
Just got back from Rio yesterday, after my first stay there in an apartment. For those intending to stay in an apartment, here are two important points:

1) Do not pay more than the first night's rent in advance.

2) Do not pay the rest of the rent as soon as you get there. After a 15-20 hour flight you will want to take some time to check out the apartment and environs - since you have paid for the first night, tell them you will pay the rest next morning. Most agents live nearby, in Copacabana or Ipanema, and can easily come by.

I booked through gringomanagement, a studio/one-bedroom in Ipanema for $50. The location was great, but when I saw the apartment - well it was crappy. I didn't want to screw up my vacation staying in the place, so I sent the Gringo folks a message saying I would move out the next day. Well, their 'associates' in Rio had another apartment available, also in Ipanema. This was okay, a nice , newer place. So I took it. It had other problems and I was offered a third apartment, but I preferred to remain in it.

To be fair, the Rio associates were helpful and eager to please, which was a plus.
Bottom line: Will I stay in an apartment again? Maybe, and with some backup plan. I will take the Ipanema place for $50 - but it is not worth any more.

After seeing the first crappy place I took myself over to the Atlantico Copacabana, where I have stayed before. Even though I was a little desperate, I negotiated a rate of 180 real, and NO guest fee. If you talk to them beforehand it should be possible to get them down to 150-165, maybe even less. This includes breakfast and you dont have to rent a phone. So, apartments are not necessarily a good deal in Rio, and you dont always get your money's worth.

ESCORTS: As for the girl scene, I called VIPRJ one Sunday, and they quoted 600 real. I excused myself. Karla was consistent in asking 100 real an hour plus taxifare. Two of their girls were about 4-5, one was 6 or 7. So , worth taking a chance.

ANTIBIOTICS: There has been some discussion here about chomping down antibiotics as a prevention against colds. I wouldn't do it. They will not prevent or cure a cold, and may actually supress symptoms if you catch something else. For instance, dengue is quite common in Brazil, and starts with cold like symptoms. No cure for it, but severe cases require hospitalization. Antibiotics are needed when you catch opportunistic bacterial ailments after a cold, the most common being bronchitis (cough and such like). So, if you have caught a cold, and it looks like it is getting 'chesty', go ahead and chomp down your antibiotics. But you may want to start with the older ones, like Amoxicillin. It is not necessary firing the heavy guns right away.

Sidhartha
04-16-05, 05:32
I should add that I got shoe-slimed this visit - the first time I have come close to anything remotely criminal there. This was near the Leblon end of Ipanema beach - I looked down, and there was some yellow stuff on my new shoe. After half a minute or so a shoeshine boy asked if I wanted it cleaned, I said no. I decided to cross over to the other side of the street, at which time he became more persistent, yelling 'sheet' and pointing at my shoe and offering me a cloth. I told him to fuck off and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off in succession and crossed over. That was the end of it, except that though I got most of the stuff off right away, it did leave an oily stain on my shoe. They must use some kind of oil-based goop. So if you get slimed, try to clean it throughly if you care about the shoe. I am not quite sure what would have happened if I had accepted the shoeshine boy's offer, but I had read about this scam.
I would also suggest that folks be careful about showing their watches when someone asks for the time in Portuguese. Nothing untoward happened to me, but I got an uneasy feeling when a beach type asked for the time in Portuguese, squinted carefully at the watch (a cheap Casio) when I showed it, and then turned out to speak decent English. I shushed him off when he tried to get friendly. If it had been an expensive watch, the outcome may have been different?

Snooky
04-16-05, 06:32
Sidhartha,

Are you sure on the Karla Models wanting R$100 per hour plus taxi? I've used them on numerous occasions and it has always been R$100 + taxi for 2 hours. The last time was late Feb of this year.

reg12
04-16-05, 07:30
That is insane. My one dealing with them was a bait and switch. When I called them, they quoted me 300 reais + taxi. I told the girl on the phone that I could just go to Centaurus for that rate. She then told me to forget the taxi fee. It turned out that the girls had a car. I requested Cassia based on the pictures and the girl who showed up...although not bad by any means...was definitely not Cassia. She was a trooper and must have blown me for like 45 minutes straight before I actually started nailing her.

The good thing is these escort garotas are generally willing to give you their cell numbers so you can cut out the escort agency. I got this girl's number but never called her again...just too many options in Rio. She actually told me that the girl who answers the phone at VIPRJ was a former GDP who's actually hot.

Sonidos
04-16-05, 08:23
Hello Fellow Mongers,

I spend about 8 to 9 months traveling around the world on business and I have a few things that I do to avoid getting sick from water borne critters especially in countries with questionable standards. It is simple but hard to follow sometimes.

1) Drink my soft-drink and beer straight from the can or bottle. No glass, no ice, please (see Fartnocker's comment below).

2) Avoid drinks made with ice as much as possible.

3) Be selective where I eat salad and mixed fruits.

4) Drink only bottled water. This one is tricky because in certain countries some are just bottled tap water or water straight from the river or well. Yes I am sure because I have seen it in some countries, and I also have some "knuckle head" cousins who are in this business in my native country, and they get away with it by paying off the government officials. I always ask local the best bottled water because they know bad ones.

5) Always use a Hand Sanitizer.

I apologize if this does not belong here but I hope it helps someone.

Have fun but be safe.

Member #1846

Sal Dali
04-16-05, 13:39
Even easier:

3 days before leaving on such a trip, chew 2 pepto-bismol tabs, twice a day. Continue this while on your trip. Bowel movements will turn black, but it will prophylatically protect you from the majority of these problems.

BTW, I've been following this for years . . and have been successful and avoiding getting ill. Also, the rest of the stuff that's been printed about antibiotics is correct. Most bugs are virii. Antibiotics won't help much.

Sal Dali (yep, real doctor )


Hello Fellow Mongers,

I spend about 8 to 9 months traveling around the world on business and I have a few things that I do to avoid getting sick from water borne critters especially in countries with questionable standards. It is simple but hard to follow sometimes.

Rio Bob
04-16-05, 16:11
I booked through gringomanagement, a studio/one-bedroom in Ipanema for $50. The location was great, but when I saw the apartment - well it was crappy. I didn't want to screw up my vacation staying in the place, so I sent the Gringo folks a message saying I would move out the next day. Well, their 'associates' in Rio had another apartment available, also in Ipanema. This was okay, a nice , newer place. So I took it. It had other problems and I was offered a third apartment, but I preferred to remain in it.

Sidhartha, sorry to hear about your experience and I will agree with you that the 45 and 50 dollar apartments are not perfect, if you find one that is not too bad then stick with it. Yes I too have had a negative experience with some apartments as I don't care for critters running around the kitchen or bathroom bigger than a pin head and one place I stayed at had them and unfortunately in such a great location but I will never stay there again. I now stay in another apt with no location and no view and no critters that I have seen yet.

I like the freedom of an apt and the fact that nobody is keeping a tab on me but like most things there is always a trade off for something else.

Kaysar
04-16-05, 16:14
Just got back....
After seeing the first crappy place I took myself over to the Atlantico Copacabana, where I have stayed before. Even though I was a little desperate, I negotiated a rate of 180 real, and NO guest fee. If you talk to them beforehand it should be possible to get them down to 150-165, maybe even less. This includes breakfast and you dont have to rent a phone. So, apartments are not necessarily a good deal in Rio, and you dont always get your money's worth.

ESCORTS: Karla was consistent in asking 100 real an hour plus taxifare. Two of their girls were about 4-5, one was 6 or 7. So , worth taking a chance.
ahead and chomp down your antibiotics. But you may want to start with the older ones, like Amoxicillin. It is not necessary firing the heavy guns right away.Hi Sidhartha,

Thanks for the nice report. Do you think Atlantico Copacabana would let escorts in without much hassle or fee?

Who did you try from Karla's?

Kaysar

Sidhartha
04-16-05, 17:31
Snooky, no I am not sure about R100 for an hour at Karla Models. There are always language issues, even if the other side speaks English.

I am basing it on the fact that one of the girls said after an hour and 15-20 minutes that time was running out. She was quite nice, and we were simply chatting at that point. Next time I will clarify it with the Madam - whether it is one hour or two. Maybe push for two hours.

About an apartment and critters, folks should keep in mind that in tropical countries it is hard to keep critters out, especially when you open windows etc. It should not get to the point of infestation, but a few critters, especially ants, crawling around is normal. The best solution is to buy (or take) a can of insecticide and spray it near doors, windows and openings (wires etc) when you are leaving for a few hours. And keep all foods in the fridge.

I still question whether a non-serviced room, with no telephone, is good value for 130 reais, when you can get a good hotel room, with breakfast, daily linen changes and no guest fee, in a central location, for 150-200 real. Maybe if you are staying for a month or so - but for a week or 10 days?

Sidhartha
04-16-05, 17:37
I apologize if this topic has come up before - I don't read this board religiously (sorry Board!).

In the last two years almost all girls in Rio seem to have taken to using Novocaine (or similar) ointments for certain especial services. I tried to read the label, but couldn't tell exactly what the ingredients were (they use different brands anyway).
The point is, most likely these are ointments made with petroleum jelly - vaseline, petrolatum, whatever. And that substance, being oil-based, degrades the integrity of latex condoms - it allows virus to pass through, including hepatitis and HIV.

Are people aware of it and doing something about it? My solution was to not do any act that would require the girls using the stuff - next time I will try to be better prepared. Not everyone knows about this, I have found, and it is a serious potential health issue.

Fartknocker
04-16-05, 22:26
Hello Fellow Mongers,
1) Drink my soft-drink and beer straight from the can or bottle. No glass, no ice, please (see Fartnocker's comment below).

2) Avoid drinks made with ice as much as possible.

3) Be selective where I eat salad and mixed fruits.

4) Drink only bottled water. This one is tricky because in certain countries some are just bottled tap water or water straight from the river or well. Yes I am sure because I have seen it in some countries, and I also have some "knuckle head" cousins who are in this business in my native country, and they get away with it by paying off the government officials. I always ask local the best bottled water because they know bad ones.

5) Always use a Hand Sanitizer.


Definitely some good advice. You may run into a few problems implementing this in Brazil.

First, drinking only from sealed bottles isn't always possible. A lot of the lower-end bars only serve beer in a "garrafa" -- a 600 ml recycled glass bottle. The custom is for two or more people to share the bottle using individual glasses. That way the table can order another ice cold garrafa when the last one runs out. (Brazilians are crazy for super-cold light beer) This is a nice social custom I would hate to miss. Its a very Brazilian thing.

Drinking straight from a garrafa would look impossibly gauche -- like some wino swilling down a cold quart of Colt 45 in an alley. If you insist on drinking from a sealed bottle, you need to find a more upscale place that serves longnecks (pronounced LONG-a-nek-eh in Brazil).

Second, hand sanitizer is rarely available. Hell, half the time the johns in bars don't even have soap and paper towel. Bring your own if you want to go this route.

Third, ice is often safer than you think. My bar buys its ice from a local ice vendor every night. Electricity is so damn expensive in Brazil that an ice machine doesn't always pay for itself. Plus we have bad water out of the tap. For all of our bar drinks we buy "gelo filtrado" -- ice made with purified water that is safe for using in drinks. I think most bars go the extra mile and buy the filtrado, but you could always ask.

Finally, bring the Imodium anyway. Despite your best efforts you will probably get the shits anyway. Brazil is a truly beautiful, and despicably filthy country.

Lorenzo
04-17-05, 06:36
Sidharta,

Could you be a little more specific? For precisely which "especial [sic] services" and "acts" are these girls using novocaine? I have neither experienced nor heard of this. And do you mean that they apply it to the man or to themselves? The only thing I can think of is that she may rub it on her asshole in preparation for anal sex? Is that what you mean? Please elucidate!

Lorenzo

Bubba Boy
04-17-05, 07:53
For the record most girls in Rio use Xylocaina and not novocain for preparation before anal sex. It is a local anesthetic and applied a couple of minutes before anal. The active incredient (lidocaine) is available in 2% & 5% strenghts.

I have used it a few times and it did not deteriate the condom in anyway. Usually when oil based products are used with condoms they basically break, never heard of this occuring with Xylocaina, well not in any numbers greater than normal.

Sidhartha
04-17-05, 17:09
It doesn't really matter whether they use novocaine or lidocaine, they are all topical local anesthetics. (Incidentally Novocaine was the original trade name for lidocaine - a substance synthesized from cocaine.) The critical information is whether the drug is contained in an oil-based substance, like vaseline, or water based. If it is water based it is probably safe for latex. If it is oil-based then there is serious potential danger. Can you tell, looking at a tube printed in Portuguese, and sporting an erection that is simply dying to get into some place?

Bubba Boy, you will not be able to tell if a condom has been affected. The 'holes' are minute - so tiny that even bacteria cannot get through. But a virus, being smaller, can. And it is the virus we are all worried about, right? Hepatitis, HIV, that kind of stuff.

I dont want to disturb anyone unnecessarily. But I am not going to try anything where the girl uses one of these ointments. And I take my own KY, just to make sure the girls are not using something they shouldn't. There's wats around it, like using the newer non-latex condoms. But they are not as strong, so be careful.

To answer Lorenzo's question, the Rio girls have started using novocaine before anal.
Incidentally, what I have said about oil-based lubricants and latex is not rare knowledge. You may even find it written on a box of condoms! Certainly if you search on the Internet. But it is surprising how many people do not know.

Sidhartha
04-17-05, 17:19
When I stayed there about two years ago I had no hassle about girls visiting. They didn't even check IDs.

When I asked them a week ago they said the same thing, no guest fee. I was very specific about the matter. They do ask that girls be over 18.

When you are booking a room, make sure you ask for a double - the rates are the same for double and single. And, as added insurance, mention the girl issue and make sure everyone understands there is no guest fee involved.

About Karla Models, I tried Patricia and Bebel (small tits if you are a tit man) that I remember. I do not remember the other. Both had very nice attitudes and were willing to do anal - with their little tubes of lidocaine. You must have read my views on that.

Sal Dali
04-17-05, 20:02
Other thoughts about lidocaine:

1) Lidocaine can cause oison by ingestion and subcutaneous routes (in large or FREQUENT) doses). Excitement, hallucinations, distorted perceptions, changes in heart rate, and dyspnea. It is an anesthetic rapidly absorbed by mucous membranes. Excessive doses may cause methemoglobinemia. Believe it or not, anal is a "route" of ingestion.

2) Many are, or can develop an allergy to the "caine" family. If you use a product to delay orgasm, then you're probably using a "caine" product and it's probably lidocaine. If after using these (including the condoms that specifically advertise to delay orgasm, AND you've noted some increasing itching, don't be surprised if it's an allergy to the lidocaine (or the laytex).

3) There are many specific products with lidocaine that are safe for sexual activity with a condom. However, many are also petroleum-based and will damage latex (a fact that should be very well known by anyone here). So, caveat emptor.

SD

Member #2329
04-17-05, 21:36
I think this debate over lidocaine should be held in another part of the forum (ie, WSG->Special Interests->Safe Sex).

Lidocaine is Xylocaine (xylocaina). It is a local anesthetic and is commonly found in anal lubricants even here in the USA. Although the bottle suggests it is for homosexual use (thus making it an awkward purchase at your area CVS and while passing through Brazilian customs checkpoints), I always bring some of this stuff (http://www.adultsupermart.com/adult-sex-toys-806.html) down to Rio de Janeiro with me along with KY and American condoms. The bottle says it is water-based and contains lidocaine.

Best not to raise unnecessary concerns about these kinds of things unless you have research to back up your own worries. Besides, the worrying type is not often the guy who is found ***** mongering and having anal sex with the putas in Rio.

No worries- have fun.

Bubba Boy
04-17-05, 22:04
The Xylocaina that I have is definitely water based, this is the clear gel, 2%. From memory the ointment is a white substance, pretty sure this is water based as well, it comes off instantly in water.

JoshJosh69
04-17-05, 23:34
I am a physician assistant who specializes in dermatology. I will also be arriving this week in Rio for my 16th trip in 5 years. If anyone has medical questions, they can PM me, and I will do whatever I can to help out.

Sidhartha
04-17-05, 23:56
Is Lidocaine available over the counter in Brazil? If so, that could be another solution. Buy it yourself, make sure with a Brazilian chemist that it is a water-based cream, and use that if a girl wants something. Since it is a Brazilian product the girls will probably accept it.

On the other hand, it is not safe for someone to use it repeatedly, especially in a circumstance where it could be getting into the bloodstream through broken blood vessels. Lidocaine is also used as a drug for heart ailments ... but I guess Brazilian authorities will have to tell the girls that.

Snooky
04-18-05, 01:47
Sidhartha ,

If you are worried about condoms deteriating <sp?> using an oil based lube (with or without a "caine") switch to Avanti, they are made of polyurethane and can be used with any lube.

Sidhartha
04-18-05, 05:29
Thanks Snooky,

Yes I was aware of that and made the suggestion in an earlier post.

However, my experience is that the non-latex brands are not as strong, and abandoned using them as a result. But, faced with the problem we have been discussing here, I may have to use them after all. Lesser evil kind of reasoning.

Maybe put on a new one in mid-stroke, to make sure of its strength. Isn't it funny, the lengths we are prepared to go to, just to get a little pussy?

Sonidos
04-18-05, 06:22
Thanks Sali Dali for the tip. In addition to the black bowl movement, some people will get a black tongue so don't be alarmed. I get the black tongue once in a while after using it.

Bubba Boy
04-18-05, 08:15
Yep, it is available over the counter. About R18 from memory. Comes in Gel or Cream, 2% & 5% strengths.

Vatel69
04-18-05, 12:27
I don´t know if this might help, but a member from another forum is a physician and he came up with this formula:
Lidocaína5%+
Benzocaína5%+
Diltiazem2%+
Hidrocortisona 0,5%+
Neomicina0,5%+
Creme Base QSP 50 gramas
He suggests that you apply the cream 1/2 hour before the penetration and and right before penetration mix it with ky to help more.
It doesn´t take all the sensation away and helps the girl just enough to take the initial pain away. It doesn´t kill all the girl´s muscle sensations, which is good in case of a vein gets ripped.
I personally know a few girls who started anal sex after using this formula. In Brazil you can have it prepared in a Farmacia de manipulação. It´s a pharmacist that prepares mostly natural medicine to the order. They are not hard to find in the major cities.
I hope it helps.

Rio Bob
04-19-05, 03:50
Thanks Snooky,

Maybe put on a new one in mid-stroke, to make sure of its strength. Isn't it funny, the lengths we are prepared to go to, just to get a little pussy?

Im not a back door man, maybe I can count on one hand the times I have done it in my life, the last time I was in Rio I had a real stunner beg me to hit her in the back door and I could barely penetrate, now I know why with all the chemicals and lubes that you need.

Sidhartha, I don't think you are going through all this just to get a little pussy now are you?

Sidhartha
04-19-05, 05:00
Actually, no, Rio Bob, I dont think I am a back door person. If a girl is willing I will try it out, and there is a very small percentage of women that really likes it, and they are terrific. Otherwise, the pussy is best. I am not into pain, and who wants to do a girl who is in pain and using all kinds of chemicals, as you put it? If she is not enjoying it, you wont particularly enjoy it either. Most girls who really like back door use a simple lube I think.

I raised the topic initially because on my previous trip I didn't see any girl using the ointments they are using now. Nor have I seen any girl use it in other countries. Now, I want to look very carefully at whatever a girl uses, because it affects me - and in this case I couldn't tell what it was. So I ended up not doing anything that would make a girl use strange ointments.

By raising the topic I was just hoping to alert members that they need to look carefully at this 'new' trend and make sure a lubricant will not damage latex condoms. And get some ideas for myself, if anyone had any. Well, what Snooky said provided one - buy a water-based product made in Brazil.

Bubba Boy
04-19-05, 08:12
Brasil is all about the ass and ass fucking in general. The overwhelming majority of women do it, just because they use assistance does not mean they do not enjoy it. For someone not to like it, would be considered abnormal in Brasil.....similar story in Europe as well..........

Jose Lima
04-19-05, 17:34
Monger-friends,

During my recent stay in Rio from March 25-April 3 I spent $750 to stay in Royal Rio Palace Hotel.

Beyond that I spent $870 airfare round trip from the Pacific Northwest and an additional $2000 of which approx $1000 was for pussy and the other $1000 for food, drinks, souvernirs etc.

Even though I had sex every day I think I need to buy even more pussy next time.

Track StarOk here is my expensise report for when I go to Rio:

Airfare-$600-$700
Hotel-$70/day
Food-$100/day
pussy-$170/day Two girls a day is plenty
Bars drinks money-$100/day

If im going on a straight up mongering trip i will cut out the Bars drinks money and lower the food budget then inflate my pussy money. I also put a 10% fuck-up factor in there. Your always struggling those last few days.

I can do a all smut mongering trip for 5 days for about $2700

Havahopeful
04-19-05, 21:10
Can anyone report on if Monte Carlos, Centauras or Solarium charge double for a room when doing a threesome? I know this is the policy at Luomos.

Also a friend of mine mentioned Balcony Bar as a good alternative to Help. Other than a post describing their bill padding techniques, I haven't seen much mention of this place or really even know where it is as I didn't have a chance to visit on my first trip to Rio.

As always any help is appreciated.

Incidentally I found a pretty good guide to the Rio and Salvador Scene that answers a lot of newbie questions on a website called brazilmensclub.com

J Wadd
04-19-05, 23:02
Heya, guys:

Help:

Quick word on Help (as if anything more needed to be said about this place): I was there last Thurs. and lotsa garotas do favela seemed to have moved in. Be wary.

Also, on nights where there are no cops stationed out front, expect all the favela kids to rush you and make any walk miserable (or worse). Kids rushed my girl, she over-reacted and screamed, they laughed and more kids came (like over 10), etc. Fucking cabrone taxi drivers stationed out front wanted 10R(!!!!) to drive us to Roi Roiss from Help.

Motel:

A good place to take your girl if you're tired of your hotel (or not sure if she's trustworthy) is Hotel Lido (intersection of Carvalho and Castro). Most taxi drivers will mistake it for the more expensive and well-known Praia Lido Hotel. No problem if they do -- Hotel Lido is around the corner to your right (when facing Praia Lido) and a 1 minute walk. 40R for two hours (a.c., etc., -- all the basics). Good price for Copa.

Happy Hunting,
JWadd

Hojo
04-20-05, 00:43
Hello JWadd,

What problems can happen with Favela girls at Help?

Are these girls more likely to slip a drug into your drink at the apartment or hotel?

Is the quality of these girls less than the already decreasing quality of the common Help girls?


pop till you drop,
hojo

Dark Knight
04-20-05, 01:00
Ok here is my expensise report for when I go to Rio:

Airfare-$600-$700
Hotel-$70/day
Food-$100/day
pussy-$170/day Two girls a day is plenty
Bars drinks money-$100/day

If im going on a straight up mongering trip i will cut out the Bars drinks money and lower the food budget then inflate my pussy money. I also put a 10% fuck-up factor in there. Your always struggling those last few days.

I can do a all smut mongering trip for 5 days for about $2700


WOW.

Track & Jose: I'm surprised by those numbers. That seems very high.

Here's what I think I spend on average;

Airfare: 700-1000 : it is what it is.

Apartamento: $40-50/day (always 1/2 or 1/3 of a 2 or 3 bedroom: safer and more fun with friends)

Drinks: $30-50/day...on the top end. I'm an ice-cold Skol guy. But, even the mixed drinks are only $3 a pop.

Girls: Varies. If i'm having a low-key week and spend MOST of my time with one, then it's about $200-300 FOR THE WEEK.. If i'm having a wilder 2 or 3 PER DAY, then I MAY spend $100/day. I mix it up between chicks I meet on street or Rio Sul mall, locals from Ipanema/ Leblon clubs, and the occasional regular from Help. I have never spent more than R$200 (even for a "dime"), but from reading the forum over the past couple of months, it seems that may be changing.

Food: I'm a foodie, and I'll spend "whatever" to eat. I mix it up between Marius, Antiquarius, Copacabana Palace, etc. But that is only dinner. I usually have breakfast with locals at one of the ubiquitous bars on Av Nossa Sen Copacabana. Lunch on beach, or frango passarinho... if at all. Call it $50 - $70/ day.

Taxis: whatever they rip me off for. The same ride is never the same price twice. Funny how that works. I spend hardly any money if I'm hanging out with any one chick in particular. They get a completely different price schedule than the tourists do. I have even sent them into Centro to do shopping for me or "my sister" back home.

You are spending $200 MORE per day than I spend..and I don't 'watch' my money AT ALL. I'd be interested to know what your week looks like.

I buy alot of art work..I prolly blow the difference on the local artisans.

Details, please.

Bunda Boy
04-20-05, 03:44
JWadd,

How can you tell that a garota is a favela girl? What sets them apart from the other girls at Help?

J Wadd
04-20-05, 18:34
I think they're pretty easy to determine. They're a little less well dressed (threadbare and worn out), more tattoes, scarring etc. (these things, of course, can show up on any girl) -- but the giveaway is their Portuguese. It's slangy, rougher, faster and just more low-classed-out.

I probably wouldn't notice it if I hadn't spent time in those cities which are basically one big favela anyway (Belem, etc.). But for what it's worth, I was talking to one of the guys who works there and he agreed with me.

Yes, while girls of the favela might be saints in the rough, you'rr more likely to be set up in one of these situations. But no big deal. Just watch your drink when your alone and don't take her back to your room. Also watch out for suspicious phone calls once your alone (boy friend lurking, etc.). This happened to a guy a know in Fort.

Help really varies from night to night. Lotsa low-class honies on Thurs. last -- totally different when I went back on Sat. and Sun. Dunno.

Happy Hunting,
JWadd