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Fastpiston
04-16-24, 00:04
Don't believe the NonSense on this forum. Barfines range from 4,000 to 5,000, (with one easily anvoided exception) and there are more pretty, young, slim girls than I can handle. Sure, some bars only have fuglies, but bars like Viking, Shooters, Geckos, and Avalon are well stocked with hotties. All the girls I bought drinks for barfined.
My biggest problems are who to boom boom next, girls I liked not wanting to repeat with me, and the high cost of drinks and barfines.I have had a great many years in AC and feel that Covid downgraded the place dramatically. The best girls are doing online stuff from home, why should they mess with AC? Look good, clean and have self esteem, then you will be too busy. Most guys in AC haven't a clue how to look good. Try it. It works, no matter your age. Older confident very presentable men are very attractive to women. Women's impression is made in seconds.
Hi Guys,
If you are tired of paying 5 K for premium short time, and willing to lower your standards, I know of the three places near walking street that offer 1500 BJ either on the premise or back to your hotel room. And most do not mind being filmed. PM me if interested. I live in Negros but frequent AC as the round trip from Dumaguete is less than $100 or less if you fly into MNL and take the Genesis Bus from T3 (300 pesos /2 hours). I have regulars in AC, Subic, Manila, Cebu and Duma that I see apart from these low budget locales. My main squeeze in Subic, for example, is an 18 yo top heavy bottom light cutie that stays the night and treats me right. Not a bar girl. Not bad for a 68 yo bloke. Frankly I like Subic better than AC. Also unrelated to this thread there is a casa within walking distance of LA Cafe in Malate (now Midnight oasis or something like that) where you can get girls for 3 K. I did not take any girls from there, however. Cheers.I know of one K bar that has reduced bar fines.
3000 if you are just taking the girl out for drinks and whatever. No sex.
3500 for short time.
4500 for long time.
Maybe a competitive trend will start.
On my last few stays at ABC Hotel I have noticed while eating at the Vintage Hall Restaurant:
Koreans do NOT have the best lookers. I have seen plenty of Koreans walking by with their girls either going to their rooms or to Aqua Club. Majority of them have 7's. Some have lookers at 8's.
However 85% of their girls are dressed up in evening wear. Ie like long dresses. Some are in provocative short skirts in high heels. Most do look sexy but not all. Undressing them with my eyes the girls bodies are no better than what we can barfine.
75% of the Koreans walk ahead of the girls. The rest will have the girls holding on to their arms.
Koreans do not have the market on the best looking girls contrary to naysayers view.
Anyone is welcome to view for themselves. Best times are 7 pm and beyond. Or go up to Aqua Club.
Of course this observation is limited to ABC and not to any Korean Hotels.
Greetings folks. Planning my first trip to Angeles later this year. I understand that one way in which Philippines differs from Thailand is that it's quite difficult to find massage shops which provide happy endings. I've also heard that there are some places on Teodoro Street that might provide what I'm looking for. Any intel would be most appreciated. PM is available if you don't want to put out names publicly.
I have had a great many years in AC and feel that Covid downgraded the place dramatically. The best girls are doing online stuff from home, why should they mess with AC? Look good, clean and have self esteem, then you will be too busy. Most guys in AC haven't a clue how to look good. Try it. It works, no matter your age. Older confident very presentable men are very attractive to women. Women's impression is made in seconds.Hi Fastpiston, I have to agree. I'm in my 50's and by my own judgement, not particularly good looking. However, numerous times I've had comments passed in my direction from locals noting how I smelt good and how other 'foreigners' don't necessarily take care of their personal hygiene. Sure, if I'm going to the Philippines and AC, I'm not going to dress-up in a hot climate, but I'm going to be presentable, so to speak.
NapaSlapper
04-18-24, 00:46
I have had a great many years in AC and feel that Covid downgraded the place dramatically. The best girls are doing online stuff from home, why should they mess with AC? Look good, clean and have self esteem, then you will be too busy. Most guys in AC haven't a clue how to look good. Try it. It works, no matter your age. Older confident very presentable men are very attractive to women. Women's impression is made in seconds.Have to fully agree that covid was the final nail in the angeles coffin and it is now sure just a shadow of its former self, one would have to go back 15,20,25 years to say angeles was a real fun place to visit, where whitey was not second class, all girls barfined, all girls stayed long time with any nationality, absolutely not so now unfortunately.
Many many girls that once swung their hips on angeles stages have not returned to their bars, many went abroad to sell their pussy, some found online, some got married and live abroad and doing well.
Every angeles bar owner is desperate to employ younger, slimmer, attractive girls for their bars, unfortunately those type of girls have many choices to earn big money outside of the bars of angeles city, what's left in angeles is of mainly low standard, yes a very few girls are ok looking and slim working in the korean top bars, unfortunately due to very low numbers the ok looking girls are in extreme demand for drinks only and mostly don't fuck with anyone.
Fully agree that there are many avenues to find non bargirls in the phills for guys who are willing to stay for longer periods, but one has to be well dressed, clean, fairly ok looking, not obese and persistent, something that is not in the nature of many angeles bar mongers that want mostly easy obtainable notches on the bed post and are not too fussy with whom those notches come from.
NapaSlapper
04-18-24, 02:33
It seems that most bar hops over the last few weeks have been split barhop, first with western friends in the few western orientated bars of walking street and then on to meet korean friends and hit the many korean orientated bars of walking street.
The reason of two separate barhops in two different types of bars is because koreans do not like the look of the girls in the western bars and my western friends refuse to go to the korean bars because the better looking girls there are cold to them and mostly won't sit for drinks with them as they only have eyes for the many asian guys.
Korean oriented bars.
Q bar, this is a nice bar, very polite wait staff, friendly manager, some nights many girls, some nights not so many, always at least one or two girls that are ok looking but can be fussy who they give attention too.
XS bar, have said this multiple times before, this bar is by far the most popular bar for the asians, why, because it has great shows, nice decor and the girls are a cut above the rest of the girls in angeles, the girl numbers are well down than last year but still the best bar in town due to a much higher chance of seeing tall, slim, attractive younger girls.
Avalon bar, can be very hit and miss, its always busy with asian customers and a few girls that are ok looking, many asian friends like this bar as the girls are mostly warm, welcoming and friendly, worth a drink or two.
Western oriented bars.
Lollipop bar, a handful of expats on most visits,10 or 12 girls, although girls are friendly and playful and many are willing to barfine in truth never see any girls even worth buying a lady drink for.
Geckos bar, again very quiet for girls numbers and punters, mostly expats, girls tend to look very bored, many with arms crossed or sitting playing on their phones, many moons ago this bar was jumping and wall to wall girls, alas those days are long gone for this bar.
Vikings bar, now this is a nice size bar, the owners and mummies make sure to make one welcome, girls mostly in bikinis, 15-20 odd girls is the norm, some playing on their phones, some smiling and some not looking happy at all, there is a waitress called jonalyn that works here, back in the day she was one of angeles super stars, worked in atlantis bar as a cultural dancer, great lay in her day, if anyone likes late 30's ladies but still with a nice face a few extra pounds but not too fat she might just be worth buying a lady drink for and see if its possible to barfine her, all in all a bar worth a visit for at least 1 beer.
Masquarade bar, owls nest bar, champagne bar, popped our heads in on a few occasions but never stay for a drink due to very low numbers of girls and no lookers.
In summing up, western bars very quiet indeed, many bars with 2 or 3 girls only and no customers, many girls looking bored, many bar owners not happy at all, its catch 22,very few customers means no money to employ the slightly better looking girls, no good looking girls means many punters won't stay for a drink, it is what it is unfortunately.
Korean bars doing quite well, yes less girls than last year but many bars very busy with asian customers buying lady drinks, making it rain peso and mostly spending good money in the bars, Not only are the korean bars busy but I'm told that the Korean only van delivery service of girls is going from strength to strength.
Banana Boi
04-18-24, 07:51
In summing up, western bars very quiet indeed, many bars with 2 or 3 girls only and no customers, many girls looking bored, many bar owners not happy at all, its catch 22,very few customers means no money to employ the slightly better looking girls, no good looking girls means many punters won't stay for a drink, it is what it is unfortunately.
Korean bars doing quite well, yes less girls than last year but many bars very busy with asian customers buying lady drinks, making it rain peso and mostly spending good money in the bars, When you say Koreans are spending good money how much are you talking about being spent while in the bar for lady drinks and tipping girls directly (ie. Not including for the girl to go out). Would like an idea if I can compete for the girls.
Are your Western friends not getting attention in Korean bars solely because they aren't Asian or because they aren't willing to spend as much or more than the Koreans on the girls in a bar?
Thanks for the great update.
WestCoast1
04-18-24, 08:43
When you say Koreans are spending good money how much are you talking about being spent while in the bar for lady drinks and tipping girls directly (ie. Not including for the girl to go out). I don't know that there's a good answer to this. Its not just that the K's spend more (and get less). They do more outrageous things in the bars, like literally throwing money about the place (make it rain). If your idea of competing is to throw 30-40-50 p1000 notes in a single fistful (that's $1000 USD), then get after it. They also tip often on an outrageous scale. He buys a girl 1 drink (say, p250), then tips her p1000 as he sends her back to the stage and calls down another girl. Or he barfines her for the evening (p5000), takes her out dancing / eating, and sends her home or back to the bar without a f*ck, with a p5000 or 10 k tip.
They skip the bar scene completely sometimes, sending just one of them to a bar to barfine 5-10 girls at a time, sending vans to pick them up in groups (you will see the vans roll up in the evening just in front of Envy resto, and from up on WS 10-ish hotties come out of this or that bar and pile into the van and disappear for the night). They are in for big tips tonight.
Caveat #1: Not all Koreans behave like this*.
Caveat #2: Girls are in general prettier in the K bars. However the hotties are often taken right at the bar's opening bell. While the K bars have prettier girls, you can find pretty girls in any of the other bars NS or other's have mentioned.
Would like an idea if I can compete for the girls.I don't think you need to compete. Stay out of the K bars, and dwell in the western bars that NS mentioned. There are enough pretty girls in any of them to find a winner, and they are more likely to be happy to go with you after just one drink. Chat with a mama to help you find what you want.
Are your Western friends not getting attention in Korean bars solely because they aren't Asian or because they aren't willing to spend as much or more than the Koreans on the girls in a bar? Both.
* While I've seen this kind of overkill from K's in bars, I have also been in bars where the Korean gents were lone wolves, sitting around chain smoking, buying only drinks for themselves, staring at their phone, while none of them is doing the outrageous stuff of throwing money or spending big (whales) on LD.
The uptick in Korean whales in AC has led to: Increased prices, and more girlie entitlement (you will now come across more drink-only girls in the bars, who will not necessarily identify themselves until they deny your barfine request).
BB we have been having this discussion for a year now, and your questions suggests a lack of RTTF. Others weigh in.
Have to fully agree that covid was the final nail in the angeles coffin and it is now sure just a shadow of its former self, one would have to go back 15,20,25 years to say angeles was a real fun place to visit, where whitey was not second class, all girls barfined, all girls stayed long time with any nationality, absolutely not so now unfortunately.....Even when I used to visit Angeles City 20 odd years ago there were girls who used to ignore me especially in upscale bars like Blue Nile but there were so many other girls (100's) of equal or superior beauty to them that it did not matter. Ah! The good old days.
Banana Boi
04-18-24, 17:41
BB we have been having this discussion for a year now, and your questions suggests a lack of RTTF. Others weigh in.Not denying this. I don't follow the PI threads closely. Last time I read these threads were before I went on my 2 month stroll through SEA in January. That's when you replied to me before. This is now me trying to decide if PI should be on my TDL for my next 2 month trips starting in June and again in October. It's really difficult to take any time away from Jakarta these days where Koreans and Japanese can't win there since girls don't get money for LD's.
I always appreciate your detailed answers a lot but if you feel I'm one who doesn't RTFF closely (which I don't) then I don't want you to waste your time replying to my questions. I will refrain from asking unnecessary questions in the PI threads.
Unless competing is what you're into.The answer to this is Yes, I love competing against guys who think they're hot shots. Do this all the time against the Koreans and Japanese in gogo bars in Pattaya. Money can flow from me too but I have never thrown 1000 USD in the air for girls to catch. Closest to that I've done is sit with gogo girls and fold bills into paper airplanes and aim them at butt cracks of the girl's on stage. They go crazy when my paper airplanes are purple or brown in color.
When you say Koreans are spending good money how much are you talking about being spent while in the bar for lady drinks and tipping girls directly (ie. Not including for the girl to go out). Would like an idea if I can compete for the girls.
Are your Western friends not getting attention in Korean bars solely because they aren't Asian or because they aren't willing to spend as much or more than the Koreans on the girls in a bar?
Thanks for the great update.A wrap of 1000 p notes is about $2000 and it's not uncommon to see a couple of these stuffed in a fanny pack. That may not be spent in one night but it doesn't last the whole trip either.
I'd agree with WC1 that, while some whities may spend the same amount, it tends to be much more payment for services rather than meaningless tips etc. Our K-boi might make it rain while Chad will be buying trays of drinks to ensure free flowing blowjobs, groping etc or a group of guys might buy out a bar and close the doors for a special occasion. Same ultimate cost but different outcomes.
Of course, there are always going to be the hot girls who magically appear while the drinks are flowing but quickly disappear when it's time for the quid pro quo.
Cheers. G.
A Traveler
04-20-24, 03:53
When you say Koreans are spending good money how much are you talking about being spent while in the bar for lady drinks and tipping girls directly (ie. Not including for the girl to go out). Would like an idea if I can compete for the girls.
Are your Western friends not getting attention in Korean bars solely because they aren't Asian or because they aren't willing to spend as much or more than the Koreans on the girls in a bar?
Thanks for the great update.This information is not correct. Lollipop was hoping last night. Gecko's has been pretty hopping too. Same with Shooters. The bars are packed with pretty girls. You can pay 350 to buy one you like a drink, which is expensive, but will get you 15 minutes to see if there's any chemistry. If there is you can ask her to barfine, which will, cost 4 k to 5 k, which is expensive, but for the most part girls have been staying overnight.
So despite the high costs, AC is in full swing. I haven't had any problems pulling new girls. My biggest problem is girls not wanting to repeat with me, or disappearing. I'm getting kind of tired of pulling sexy young new girls for a one off. The 30 year old beauty at Lollipop who acted like she liked me and repeated with me twice disappeared without a trace. I imagine some guy paid her barfine for a week and took her to Palawan. Or maybe he's paying her salary to be his life in girlfriend. She was a really sweet girl.
A Traveler
04-20-24, 04:01
I Caveat #2: Girls are in general prettier in the K bars. However the hotties are often taken right at the bar's opening bell. While the K bars have prettier girls, you can find pretty girls in any of the other bars NS or other's have mentioned.Not rue. Plenty of ugly girls in Korean bars. And plenty of hot girls in Western bars. All the bars are basically the same, with Filipino girls from 20 to 30+, some ugly and some pretty. The difference between the K bars and Western bars is that at the former girls are dolled up in dresses, will not make eye contact, and may be sitting on stage using there phones. But these are full service boom boom providers, so if you see one you like, just tell a waitress to call her down. She most likely will provide BBFSCIP and stay overnight.
In the Western bars the girls are still 20 to 30+ Filipinos, some ugly and some pretty. But they will be dressed in bikinis or miniskirts and crop tops, and may make eye contact and flirt.
WestCoast1
04-20-24, 05:54
Not rue. Plenty of ugly girls in Korean bars. And plenty of hot girls in Western bars. All the bars are basically the same, with Filipino girls from 20 to 30+, some ugly and some pretty. The difference between the K bars and Western bars is that at the former girls are dolled up in dresses, will not make eye contact, and may be sitting on stage using there phones. But these are full service boom boom providers, so if you see one you like, just tell a waitress to call her down. She most likely will provide BBFSCIP and stay overnight.
In the Western bars the girls are still 20 to 30+ Filipinos, some ugly and some pretty. But they will be dressed in bikinis or miniskirts and crop tops, and may make eye contact and flirt.Thanks the more current update. My views were from 3 and 6 months ago. Things change, especially in regard to looks. I found that in general, there were fewer chubs in the K bars than the Wolfpack bars. In addition, at least one mama in a K bar assured me that she could find a barfine girl to suit my tastes and do what was requested. Tallyho.
However, my comments about K's getting what they want with large spending is, generally, true.
Sir Lancelot
04-20-24, 13:08
what's left in angeles is of mainly low standard, yes a very few girls are ok looking and slim working in the korean top bars, unfortunately due to very low numbers the ok looking girls are in extreme demand for drinks only and mostly don't fuck with anyone.
In summing up, western bars very quiet indeed, many bars with 2 or 3 girls only and no customers, many girls looking bored, many bar owners not happy at allYour posts should be followed with a 'Fake news' warning.
I was recently in Angeles and the place was hopping. The bars were busy with lots of customers, there were lots of girls and plenty of pretty ones. Some bars were so busy with customers I struggled to get a seat. The stage was so packed with girls at Viking, they had a line of girls dancing in front of the stage too. You make the place out to be a ghost-town but the truth is quite different.
You also have an obsession with Koreans. You try to put people off by implying westerners don't have a chance. I'm a white British guy in my late forties and on my trip I fucked the best looking black-tape dancer in Avalon (one of your beloved Korean bars) and an extremely hot Japanese-looking girl in Genesis, who three sour-faced Koreans tried to barfine under my nose. They literally asked a waitress to invite her over to join them despite the fact I'd bought her a drink. She told me this had happened as we walked down Fields Avenue back to my hotel, telling me she hates the arrogance of customers like that.
Angeles is a candy-shop, full of willing young, pretty girls, willing to spread their legs for cash. Anyone visiting, whether Western, Korean or Martian, will have the time of their life.
Your posts should be followed with a 'Fake news' warning.
The bars were busy with lots of customers, there were lots of girls and plenty of pretty ones
Angeles is a candy-shop, full of willing young, pretty girls, willing to spread their legs for cash. Anyone visiting, whether Western, Korean or Martian, will have the time of their life.Went to Angeles once in 2020. Won't go back. The majority of girls were between 6 to 8. Some of the perimeter bars I walked in and then straight out of.
My opinion: cheap sex with substandard girls.
NI.
A Traveler
04-20-24, 14:45
Today I attempted to investigate the Perimeter bars. I only made it to three, so it was a abject failure. Or maybe it was a resounding success. You be the judge.
First bar on the strip was Night Moves, which I visited in the blazing daytime of 2:30 pm. It consists of "expats" (older gentlemen of European descent), hanging out eating and drinking. There is a stage with a half dozen 30+ girls, some maybe sort of cute if you're not too picky. But even if there was a smoking hot 18 year old, I would hesitate to call her down, because there's more of a neighborhood bar vibe than a go go vibe, and I would be self conscious of being the only one groping a girl.
Next up was XXX. So last year I visited this bar. In 2023 AC was a different place, basically the place NonSense is still describing, with not many girls back to work. At that time there was a sort of cute 20 year old I bought a drink for and was getting on well with. But I was desperate for a three way. Pickings were slim, but the waitress, who was 35, overweight, and had two kids had a face that I thought was cute. So a barfined them both for a weird three way where the 20 year old laid there and played with her phone while the fat waitress rode me with a condom. Then the waitress left and I could BBFS the 20 year old.
This year the 20 year old cutie was long gone. But of course the waitress, who is even fatter now, recognized me and was all over me, so I had to buy her a drink. It's like night and day now compared to last year, and the stage was full of a dozen pretties, including a 25 year old beauty from Mindanao. She was charming and eager to go, but she had two kids, wore a body suite presumably covering baby damage, and I would not even consider talking to the fat waitress this year, but now I was stuck with her. So I billed out and moved on.
Candy Bar was my last stop. As soon as I walked in there was a pretty waitress, and she came and sat with me. She said she was 21, but I think she was a little older, and she was eager to go. I paid her bargain 2,500 PHP barfine at 4 pm and took her straight home for some straight to the point BBFSCIP. I've been doing long times with the 5,000 PHP top tier dancers, but having to hang out with them can get kind of tiring if you don't really click with them. I usually just watch some Netflix with them and go to sleep. So it was kind of refreshing to have a short time for a change. Tomorrow she will come straight to my room, and she says in the future she can bring a friend. Will I make it to the rest of the Perimeter bars?
After she left I was free to go to Lollipop on Walking Street to continue my search for the missing sexy dancer. She still wasn't there. But there were three super sexy beauties, one was an absolute stunner. All three would be considered upgrades to the girl I'm looking for, but she had really clicked with me, so I'll keep looking.
Went to Angeles once in 2020. Won't go back. The majority of girls were between 6 to 8. Some of the perimeter bars I walked in and then straight out of.
My opinion: cheap sex with substandard girls.
NI.4 year old information is of no value in 2024.
AC was only open in January and February as the lock down went into effect.
I have noticed the higher barfines now have produced a better crop of ladies.
2024.
Not rue. Plenty of ugly girls in Korean bars. And plenty of hot girls in Western bars........One should keep in mind that the tastes of both nationalities may not be the same. It may actually be a win win situation for both.
Banana Boi
04-20-24, 18:43
One should keep in mind that the tastes of both nationalities may not be the same. It may actually be a win win situation for both.Exactly true. Unfortunately, I prefer the the Japanese / Korean style look so I have to go to expensive bars and battle the Koreans. I don't want the farm girl look. Just like in Pattaya, I want the Asian / Euro mix look. I'd spend 1/5 the cost if a Treetown, Soi 25, or Myth Plaza girl was even remotely hot for me.
Locamotive
04-20-24, 22:00
This information is not correct. Lollipop was hoping last night. Gecko's has been pretty hopping too. Same with Shooters. The bars are packed with pretty girls. You can pay 350 to buy one you like a drink, which is expensive, but will get you 15 minutes to see if there's any chemistry. If there is you can ask her to barfine, which will, cost 4 k to 5 k, which is expensive, but for the most part girls have been staying overnight.
So despite the high costs, AC is in full swing. I haven't had any problems pulling new girls. My biggest problem is girls not wanting to repeat with me, or disappearing. I'm getting kind of tired of pulling sexy young new girls for a one off. The 30 year old beauty at Lollipop who acted like she liked me and repeated with me twice disappeared without a trace. I imagine some guy paid her barfine for a week and took her to Palawan. Or maybe he's paying her salary to be his life in girlfriend. She was a really sweet girl.The girl who repeated twice, she like you I'm sure and the connection was GFE I'm sure. We have to remember allot of these girls could win a Oscar, they are very good little actresses. Even if not acting and really liked you she is in the business of making money and like us she probably likes variety. If you noticed her some one else certainly did. We all get attached to these girls sometimes but just step back and remember what this is and why we are there. Long ago I decided get 4 or 5 you really like and put them on speed dial. If one not available then you go to next one. Believe me she has the same list. Had one before I texted when I arrived, sure honey love to see you Ill be at bar later. I go around 9 pm and she is hand in hand in a booth with another dude and she ignored me. Ok whatever down the list I go,. Next day she comes to my room and all over me like white on rice. Sorry honey but a whale showed up unexpectedly for only one night and he's a big spender, don't be mad. Was I pissed yeah a bit but I moved on and didn't show it. Again its a business, she likes me I'm sure, I'm just not the only one on her list. A bar girl is just not practical for a repeat visit every time as she has other suiters. Best plan is girls outside the bar scene but those take time which ill save for retirement.
..... Believe me she has the same list. ......Ain't that the truth.
Years ago, I was regularly bar fining a dancer, three or four trips a year for a week or two every time. This went on for several years. It was great times. She really adored me and we always made time for each other when I was in town.
Reality hit home when I messaged before arriving one trip:
"Babe, it's G. You in town next week? Let's catch up. I'm at Hotel X again".
Her loving reply?? "Which G?
I later saw her contact list and amongst all the other "G's" I was recorded as "G. Ugly".
Reality sucks.
G.
Koreans are booking ABC Hotel more. Especially during the weekends. Last Wednesday night a single one was hosting 9 girls up at the Aqua Beach Club. LOL. Catching some attention from gawking westerners.
This information is not correct. Lollipop was hoping last night. Gecko's has been pretty hopping too. Same with Shooters. The bars are packed with pretty girls. You can pay 350 to buy one you like a drink, which is expensive, but will get you 15 minutes to see if there's any chemistry. If there is you can ask her to barfine, which will, cost 4 k to 5 k, which is expensive, but for the most part girls have been staying overnight.
So despite the high costs, AC is in full swing. I haven't had any problems pulling new girls. My biggest problem is girls not wanting to repeat with me, or disappearing. I'm getting kind of tired of pulling sexy young new girls for a one off. The 30 year old beauty at Lollipop who acted like she liked me and repeated with me twice disappeared without a trace. I imagine some guy paid her barfine for a week and took her to Palawan. Or maybe he's paying her salary to be his life in girlfriend. She was a really sweet girl.Ever noticed NonSense post seems to be reruns? Lollipop has always been hoping.
These posts about Koreans this and that are hilarious. Some act like westerners have exclusive rights to AC! No one group owns AC. Everyone can co-exist here. I have not seen any evidence that Koreans have the market on the top notch girls. Money talks everywhere. You have the finances clout you have the beauties.
A Traveler
04-21-24, 12:14
The girl who repeated twice, she like you I'm sure and the connection was GFE I'm sure. We have to remember allot of these girls could win a Oscar, they are very good little actresses. Even if not acting and really liked you she is in the business of making money and like us she probably likes variety. If you noticed her some one else certainly did. We all get attached to these girls sometimes but just step back and remember what this is and why we are there. Long ago I decided get 4 or 5 you really like and put them on speed dial. If one not available then you go to next one. Believe me she has the same list. Had one before I texted when I arrived, sure honey love to see you Ill be at bar later. I go around 9 pm and she is hand in hand in a booth with another dude and she ignored me. Ok whatever down the list I go,. Next day she comes to my room and all over me like white on rice. Sorry honey but a whale showed up unexpectedly for only one night and he's a big spender, don't be mad. Was I pissed yeah a bit but I moved on and didn't show it. Again its a business, she likes me I'm sure, I'm just not the only one on her list. A bar girl is just not practical for a repeat visit every time as she has other suiters. Best plan is girls outside the bar scene but those take time which ill save for retirement.Words of wisdom. A wise man once said to never barfine the same girl more than three times to avoid attachment. Nevertheless I will continue to search Lollipop. She was smart enough to make a fake Facebook account, so she could just vanish without a trace.
Meanwhile, the waitress from Perimeter came back for the opposite of a GFE: a quick 15 minute vaccination session. She says she will bring her cute coworker next time.
Banana Boi
04-21-24, 13:32
Her loving reply?? "Which G?
I later saw her contact list and amongst all the other "G's" I was recorded as "G. Ugly".
Reality sucks. Glad I wasn't drinking water when I read this. That does suck though.
Sir Lancelot
04-21-24, 14:48
Her loving reply?? "Which G?
I later saw her contact list and amongst all the other "G's" I was recorded as "G. Ugly".On the bright side it makes a funny story, thanks for sharing.
The girl who repeated twice, she like you I'm sure and the connection was GFE I'm sure. We have to remember allot of these girls could win a Oscar, they are very good little actresses. Even if not acting and really liked you she is in the business of making money and like us she probably likes variety. If you noticed her some one else certainly did. We all get attached to these girls sometimes but just step back and remember what this is and why we are there. Long ago I decided get 4 or 5 you really like and put them on speed dial. If one not available then you go to next one. Believe me she has the same list. Had one before I texted when I arrived, sure honey love to see you Ill be at bar later. I go around 9 pm and she is hand in hand in a booth with another dude and she ignored me. Ok whatever down the list I go,. Next day she comes to my room and all over me like white on rice. Sorry honey but a whale showed up unexpectedly for only one night and he's a big spender, don't be mad. Was I pissed yeah a bit but I moved on and didn't show it. Again its a business, she likes me I'm sure, I'm just not the only one on her list. A bar girl is just not practical for a repeat visit every time as she has other suiters. Best plan is girls outside the bar scene but those take time which ill save for retirement.True.
I can't tell you the number of guys who think that the girl is in love with them and there is some special connection. But as soon as you leave, it is next guy up and she will make him feel the same way and he will be thinking the same thing. Most girls have a number of "special" guys who think they mean more to the girl than other guys. Just part of the game.
But as soon as you leave, it is next guy up and she will make him feel the same way and he will be thinking the same thing. Most girls have a number of "special" guys who think they mean more to the girl than other guys. Just part of the game.The old saying goes, "It's not your girl, it's just your turn. ".
WestCoast1
04-22-24, 00:27
I can't tell you the number of guys who think that the girl is in love with them and there is some special connection. But as soon as you leave, it is next guy up and she will make him feel the same way and he will be thinking the same thing. Most girls have a number of "special" guys who think they mean more to the girl than other guys. Just part of the game.Spot on. Over the years, the number of men (usually complete strangers to me who chat me up while sitting at Kok's or Phillies) who have confused the transactional nature of trading money for sex, with some form of dating, is quite high.
AC is a successful calliope of many disillusioned men who confuse prostitution with dating (or call it 'romance' or 'connection' if you will) mixed with an entire industry exploiting and profiting from the confusion. The people who work there (not the visitors) understand and exploit it well.
Spot on. Over the years, the number of men...who have confused.....Another big distinction is recognising the difference between affection and being cuntstruck. Not everyone can do it. I don't fall in love but Ill definitely plead guilty to the latter on occasion.
It lead me to paying too much, doing stupid things or other idocy, just to maintain access to a favoured beauty who knows what buttons to press.
Was it worth it?? Of course.
Enjoy. G.
Another big distinction is recognising the difference between affection and being cuntstruck. Not everyone can do it. I don't fall in love but Ill definitely plead guilty to the latter on occasion.
It lead me to paying too much, doing stupid things or other idocy, just to maintain access to a favoured beauty who knows what buttons to press.
Was it worth it?? Of course.
Enjoy. G.A decent looking sweetie who tries to choke herself to death on my cock is a weak spot for me. LOL, Good times.
A decent looking sweetie who tries to choke herself to death on my cock is a weak spot for me. LOL, Good times.Be strong brother, be strong. It's a burden but we do our best.
Ms G Who? Below could BBBJUW* to completion. Now you know why I was so infatuated. 😜.
Cheers. G.
* For the uninitiated that's Bare Back Blow Job Under Water. How she didn't drown, I have no idea.
It wasn't her only skill.
G.
Spot on. Over the years, the number of men (usually complete strangers to me who chat me up while sitting at Kok's or Phillies) who have confused the transactional nature of trading money for sex, with some form of dating, is quite high.
AC is a successful calliope of many disillusioned men who confuse prostitution with dating (or call it 'romance' or 'connection' if you will) mixed with an entire industry exploiting and profiting from the confusion. The people who work there (not the visitors) understand and exploit it well.I think it is understandable due to the differences in performance. In the USA, when you see an escort, it is usually transactional in nature and the girl may be friendly, but you are never under the impression that she really likes you or there is some connection going on. In AC, the girls are friendly and chat with you and give you the impression that they like you so you get confused because it's so different than escorts in the USA. Because it is similar to a date in the USA, this confusion leads to the thought that there must be something going on, some special connection and the girl really likes you. For guys with experience in this field, that experience comes like initially believing this and being disappointed when you start to realize that you are nothing special to the girl and it's next man up for the girl when you are not there. If you take a look in the mirror and take into consideration your success or lack thereof in the USA, and the age difference, you have to ask yourself, what makes you different than the other guys visiting AC to this girl? The answer usually is nothing except that you are with her now and she hopes that you will see again on this trip and maybe will send her money when you are home.
So guys who believe this aren't stupid but just inexperienced. I am an older gent so I have been through this already and have learned my lesson. Not smarter, just more experienced.
Spot on. Over the years, the number of men (usually complete strangers to me who chat me up while sitting at Kok's or Phillies) who have confused the transactional nature of trading money for sex, with some form of dating, is quite high.
AC is a successful calliope of many disillusioned men who confuse prostitution with dating (or call it 'romance' or 'connection' if you will) mixed with an entire industry exploiting and profiting from the confusion. The people who work there (not the visitors) understand and exploit it well.Well said WC.
I've met so many guys who go the PH to find love because they can't get it at home. I think they expect it to be an easy fix.
Not only in the PH, but anywhere there's a sex scene, is basically an economy in its own right.
The bars profit, the girls profit, and guys profit from getting their sexual fix.
Anywhere I've travelled to in the PH I've been lucky and have 'scored' with some beautiful girls in all locations.
Generally I swap WhatsApp or Facebook details to plan in advance for my next visit. And when I check their Facebook posts from time to time, I see many foreign guys commenting on their posts with love hearts, squishy messages and the lot. So it's pretty obvious I'm not the only 'who's been there' . If you come to the PH to find mutual love, you might be very disappointed. If you come to the PH to have a great time without realistic romance expectations, you can have a great time. Again and again.
Phil.
.......Generally I swap WhatsApp or Facebook details to plan in advance for my next visit. And when I check their Facebook posts from time to time, I see many foreign guys commenting on their posts with love hearts, squishy messages and the lot. So it's pretty obvious I'm not the only 'who's been there' . If you come to the PH to find mutual love, you might be very disappointed. If you come to the PH to have a great time without realistic romance expectations, you can have a great time. Again and again.
Phil.I started mongering long before most guys on ISG were born. I've been to all the major mongering destinations. My conclusion is that it is easier, especially for older gents of mediocre finances, to find true love in those destinations, especially in Asia, than in western countries. I did in Thailand but she could not relocate and neither could I. My advice would be to perhaps shun a romantic involvement with a prostitute. It may work for some but I would not do it as there are many obstacles to an unimpeded experience.
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I've never been to Angeles. I thought about it at one point, but didn't go, and probably never will now. I will just make an observation. If I don't like a place, I don't go back. From what I hear, Angeles is pretty miserable except for the girls. If the girls aren't good and the bar scene is miserable, then why does NS keep going back? It doesn't make sense. At least that is what logic seems to speak. . .
This hobby takes all types. I just don't understand why some people try to shame or drive people away from something just because they don't like it.Hi Aml, this is just my personal opinion (for others) and I somewhat agree with you. I avoided Angeles for ages as I figured if I was going to The Philippines, I wanted to be near water. Personally, I'm not right into the typical bar scene and have always found other means to meet girls wherever I've been, except maybe Bantayan, but that didn't matter as it was so great and relaxing. I visited Angeles about a year ago, just to see what it was like. Yes, you'd only go there for the sex. Like Manila, it's not pretty. However, in a few months I will return. Not to go to the girly bars, but because I met a lady there in a blow bar well back from walking street who was amazing. We keep in touch and we don't have to deal with the whole bar fine thing. She knows that if I look after her, she'll look after me for a few days before I have to head home. Until next time.
Locamotive
04-25-24, 17:21
I started mongering long before most guys on ISG were born. I've been to all the major mongering destinations. My conclusion is that it is easier, especially for older gents of mediocre finances, to find true love in those destinations, especially in Asia, than in western countries. I did in Thailand but she could not relocate and neither could I. My advice would be to perhaps shun a romantic involvement with a prostitute. It may work for some but I would not do it as there are many obstacles to an unimpeded experience.I felt that way too at first, bar girl = prostitute, no thanks. After many years of traveling in Asia mostly Philippines I've found not necessarily the case True they are having sex for money.
And don't misunderstand some are true working girls, they like the money, hours and multiple men. These I agree be careful, just enjoy them, pay them and move on. Many of these girls are just trying to eat and support their kids or family. Is this career of choice, no its a job of necessity.
Unlike US working in McDonalds does not pay 10 bucks a hour. Without education its hard to make a living here. Most will jump at the chance to leave the bar and have a boyfriend especially a western.
One. I've known a few got a western boyfriend left the bar and never looked back, they got lucky. There are some good ones just proceed with caution.
This guy's posts are bizarre NonSense. NS posts remind me of Choca Monger but CM at least had a sense of humor. If you are lucky or have some game there are bangable beauties everywhere and anywhere in the PI. I was stationed at Clark in the 80's and got tons of free quality pussy back then when I was a fit, handsome stud with a Datsun 280 ZX. Even now as a 68 yo PI retired long white-haired dude with a goatee and a lot more girth, I get as much or more than I did back then for a little bit of cash of course. AC is still better than any western country despite the Korean impact. Love to sit at Kokomos and watch the ever-changing pussy parade at 6 PM every day. There is always 1 or 2 8's or 9's passing by even if they are not working in a bar. And every time I go back its a new parade with new talent. There are even 1500 P BJ bars if one is inclined. I now live in PI (Negros) and regularly go to Angeles, Subic, Cebu, Manila and other places to add to the roster. Of course Thailand and Jakarta are other affordable options, too. Good times abound in BKK and Patts and certain hotels in Jakarta with very sexy girls who may or may not better than the angels of Angeles City. Just my. 02.
NapaSlapper
04-26-24, 03:12
It seems that viking bar was raided last night and closed down for good, reports of the bar manager there abusing staff And has been arrested.
Reports of high powered pinoy officials are insisting the manager of viking bar feel the full force of the law and the bar will not be allowed to open again by the present owners.
Seems the government are cracking down on angeles bars in general, lets wait and see what the outcome of this bar will be.
First trip since COVID. Walking street is less. Less going on, but it might be the time of the year; and the Asians have taken over more. They now have Asian club owners with Asian door touts out trying to draw you in.
I saw a rich guy come out of Wild Orchid with about 10 girls. He released them. I saw a real cutie and talked to her. She agreed to go back to my hotel. Once there, she said she was a cherry girl. A little dangerous on her part to wait until then to tell a guy that. We agreed on a price and had some fun but no sex. Just to be with an 18 year old virgin was so hot. As usual, I worried she wasnt really 18, but I later went into her bar and saw her working so I felt better. I thought about barfing her, but 5 k for another no sex romp was a lot. But she was smoking hot and a lot of fun.
All in all AC is still good, and getting better for Asians. But maybe not as good for non-Asians.
...... I saw a real cutie and talked to her. She agreed to go back to my hotel. Once there, she said she was a cherry girl. A little dangerous on her part to wait until then to tell a guy that. We agreed on a price and had some fun but no sex. Just to be with an 18 year old virgin was so hot........C'mon man, are you serious? You just looked at the meal and admired it without eating?
WestCoast1
04-26-24, 17:26
NS: It seems that viking bar was raided last night and closed down for good, reports of the bar manager there abusing staff And has been arrested..
Couple of questions:
1) Was Vikings closed down previously, after the covid re-start?
2) Is that a K-bar?
Love to sit at Kokomos and watch the ever-changing pussy parade at 6 PM every day. There is always 1 or 2 8's or 9's passing by even if they are not working in a bar.I've noticed more and more very attractive girls in AC are now working the online aps. Of course, some are fishing for sponsors but most are also very open to ST / LT hook ups if the price is right.
I'm not sure if they were fired from the bars due to bad behaviour or online is now simply a better deal for them. Over the years I've known a couple of girls who developed such a following that the bars no longer served a purpose for them and it actually cost them money to turn up every night. Hence, they quit and made much more money out on their own. They were the exception though. 99% of the time there was a reason why a stunner wasn't working in a high end bar. Typically drugs or poor attitude.
Enjoy. G.
I've noticed more and more very attractive girls in AC are now working the online aps. Of course, some are fishing for sponsors but most are also very open to ST / LT hook ups if the price is right.
I'm not sure if they were fired from the bars due to bad behaviour or online is now simply a better deal for them. Over the years I've known a couple of girls who developed such a following that the bars no longer served a purpose for them and it actually cost them money to turn up every night. Hence, they quit and made much more money out on their own. They were the exception though. 99% of the time there was a reason why a stunner wasn't working in a high end bar. Typically drugs or poor attitude..Sexual tech savvy entrepreneurs. My motto: get more in Twenty Four!
It seems that viking bar was raided last night and closed down for good, reports of the bar manager there abusing staff And has been arrested.
Reports of high powered pinoy officials are insisting the manager of viking bar feel the full force of the law and the bar will not be allowed to open again by the present owners.
Seems the government are cracking down on angeles bars in general, lets wait and see what the outcome of this bar will be.You missed the whole show. Raffy Tulfo was behind the raid. He is the one pressuring for a close down. Bar Nana is connected too. Viking is still opened.
Sexual tech savvy entrepreneurs. My motto: get more in Twenty Four!Probably not far off the mark. These girls definitely are experts at self promotion and extracting the most out of their admirers.
G.
I've noticed more and more very attractive girls in AC are now working the online aps. Of course, some are fishing for sponsors but most are also very open to ST / LT hook ups if the price is right.
Enjoy. G.I've discovered the same G. Not so much in AC from personal experience, but in other areas I travel to. The feedback from the girls is they're trying to cut out the 'middle man.' Plus once I find a good one, I keep in touch with them via WhatsApp (their preferred choice) and then I become a 'frequent flier' and they get all the cash. Having said that, I don't really have the inclination or time to spend days on dating sites trying to weed out the duds. Phil.
ThreeInches
04-29-24, 00:37
NS: It seems that viking bar was raided last night and closed down for good, reports of the bar manager there abusing staff And has been arrested..
Couple of questions:
1) Was Vikings closed down previously, after the covid re-start?
2) Is that a K-bar?Closed down the bar on a "health" violation should be back up and running with "new" management shortly.
They allow the koreas to escape, maybe this is rolled into their protection plans fees. They just fail to follow up until they are long gone. Wouldn't be surprised if they don't give them a heads up before they come looking for them so they can say they looked but didn't find them. Not in their best interests to get rid of the golden goose.
ThreeInches
04-29-24, 01:47
Seems the government are cracking down on angeles bars in generalNo evidence of this happening, wolfpack bars are not / will not be effected by this, they may go around looking for "health" violations & health card violations but this is a case of putting a mayabang korean (s) in their place.
NapaSlapper
04-30-24, 02:36
Reply to westcoast.
Hi westy, I know that vikings bar has been raided on a few occasions, can't remember if that was slightly before covid or slightly after.
Although vikings was a korean oriented bar as in such that the managers were koreans and most of the punters using the bar were korean, as to who the owners are now then bars change hands on a regular basis, so not sure, what is sure is that the koreans are buying up every available bar, hotel, restaurant or empty premises that is available, the amount of korean money pouring into angeles is very high.
A word about bar raids to the noobies.
Almost all bars in angeles city have been raided at some time over the recent past, some for employing under age girls, some for human traffick violations, prostitution violations etc.
To say that any bar or group of bars is imune to raids is wrong as shown already, what is sure is that owners, mummies, bar girls do get arrested and detained, skme for long leriods, punters so far have got away with being detained in bar raids, normally being detained while the raid is in progress but released after showing ID and answering some questions.
Raids do occur and will continue to occur, some can be bargained away some can't and result in permanent closure, what most important is that up to now punters have not been detained that's not to say it won't happen in the future.
Few words on latest bar hops.
The town remains fairly quiet for girls and punter numbers, especially wester punter numbers.
While in some bars (western) its fairly straight forward to get laid by some of the girls there are still girls that are drinks only girls, cherry girls, constant excuse not to barfine girls etc, I find in the western bars the few better looking girls are the ones that want to stay in the bar, girls that can't get many lady drinks bought for them are good to go.
This is more so in the korean bars, although the girls here are younger, slimmer and more attractive there are more obstacles in a punters way, the same drinks only girls, cherry girls, excuse girls, are still to be found the worst problems is that many of the girls are show girls, as in they are there to do their show and many times exit the stage to either rest in the back room or to move on to another bar where they have another perfomance to make, the biggest problem in the korean bars is the amount of girls that are asian only girls in as much they only give attention and maybe some pussy to asians.
For sure mongering in angeles city is not as straight forward as some nearby asian countries especially if one is in the least a little bit fussy in who one wants to have as bed partners.
C'mon man, are you serious? You just looked at the meal and admired it without eating?I didn't say that. LOL. But oral sex isn't sex sex. She said she had never given a BJ until me. I don't know if I believe it. I asked her if a guy had ever gone down on her and she got quiet. So that's a yes. So guys are eating her out but not asking for a BJ? Or she just rejected them? Who knows.
I was with a 19 year old in Makati that said she had a GF. I asked how she lost her virginity to a man and she said with a chinese customer. He must have paid up.
Virgin girls are fun as they are young and hot and not too experienced. Its like High School. But I am not dropping 500 usd to take a cherry. It's not that important to me.
ThreeInches
04-30-24, 18:07
While in some bars (western) its fairly straight forward to get laid by some of the girls there are still girls that are drinks only girls, cherry girls, constant excuse not to barfine girls etc, I find in the western bars the few better looking girls are the ones that want to stay in the bar, girls that can't get many lady drinks bought for them are good to go.
This is more so in the korean bars, although the girls here are younger, slimmer and more attractive there are more obstacles in a punters way, the same drinks only girls, cherry girls, excuse girls, are still to be found the worst problems is that many of the girls are show girls, as in they are there to do their show and many times exit the stage to either rest in the back room or to move on to another bar where they have another perfomance to make, the biggest problem in the korean bars is the amount of girls that are asian only girls in as much they only give attention and maybe some pussy to asians.The easiest way to not waste your time on lady drinks and not to get turned down is to grease the mama its the best way to ensure good service and acceptance. Girls who are reluctant are made to see the bigger picture after I voice my concerns to the mamasan. Jokingly asking the mama san why they don't want to bar fine will get the ball rolling. The mamasans have also pre-saved me the trouble by telling me who was waiting on a "boyfriend" and who wasn't feeling well. They know all of that information you just need to not be meek and ask. Mama-sans have also served me up some cherry girls as I enjoy cherry girl juice as a delicacy. They know that I'm not going to break the seal but I am sure going to rub my dick on it vigorously which they seem to be fine with. You might even ask who the habitual runners are or if they had problems with other customers. The girls come and go but I've known these mamas for many years. Since I have a good relationship with the mama sans they all flag me down not usually the girls themselves to offer me "snacks" I have voiced that I like in the past. Mamas have even helped me to dodge clingily bar girls so that I could bar fine girls from the same bar after they leave they can be very good allies indeed. The older waitresses are also good sources of intel.
I didn't say that. LOL. But oral sex isn't sex sex. She said she had never given a BJ until me. I don't know if I believe it. I asked her if a guy had ever gone down on her and she got quiet. So that's a yes. So guys are eating her out but not asking for a BJ? Or she just rejected them? Who knows.
I was with a 19 year old in Makati that said she had a GF. I asked how she lost her virginity to a man and she said with a chinese customer. He must have paid up.
Virgin girls are fun as they are young and hot and not too experienced. Its like High School. But I am not dropping 500 usd to take a cherry. It's not that important to me.Glad to read further details. Did you CIM then in that case you the man!
NapaSlapper
05-01-24, 15:37
You missed the whole show. Raffy Tulfo was behind the raid. He is the one pressuring for a close down. Bar Nana is connected too. Viking is still opened.Vikings bar still open? Not a chance, was closed down and remains closed down and padlocked.
Word from those close to the bar and in the know tell me that new management are set to take over vikings and try to get licenses passsd to reopen at some time.
Maybe making a recent visit will have you posting correct info instead of guessing as to correct info.
WestCoast1
05-02-24, 14:28
"Can't seem to put my finger on it": Said no man who's been to Philippines. Get out there gents, take the local's temperature. Finger the pulse of Angeles.
She said she had never given a BJ until me. I don't know if I believe it. Hi Vic, my experience has been that if any girl in the PH tells you that you're the first, or the best, they might be telling porkies.
I worked with a guy a few years back who went to Manila for the first time aged in his mid-forties and after his marriage break-up.
He fell for a girl who told him he was the best she's ever had and he truly believed it. He was boasting that she'd told him he was first guy she'd swallowed. There's one born every minute I thought. But I knew he was just happy again, and let's face it, everyone has emotions.
He bought her jewelry (which she sold) paid for a plane ticket and sorted out her passport application for her to visit him in Australia (she never fronted at the airport) and he was sending her money each week via Western Union.
It took him a little while to realize she was on her back most of the time, while he was back in Australia planning his next visit to meet her.
In the end I took him aside and explained how it all works. He now goes back regularly and has a great time with other girls. He said to me, "Don't ever fall in love with a bar girl".
My reply. "I probably should have told you that".
NapaSlapper
05-02-24, 17:15
The easiest way to not waste your time on lady drinks and not to get turned down is to grease the mama its the best way to ensure good service and acceptance. Girls who are reluctant are made to see the bigger picture after I voice my concerns to the mamasan. Jokingly asking the mama san why they don't want to bar fine will get the ball rolling. The mamasans have also pre-saved me the trouble by telling me who was waiting on a "boyfriend" and who wasn't feeling well. They know all of that information you just need to not be meek and ask. Mama-sans have also served me up some cherry girls as I enjoy cherry girl juice as a delicacy. They know that I'm not going to break the seal but I am sure going to rub my dick on it vigorously which they seem to be fine with. You might even ask who the habitual runners are or if they had problems with other customers. The girls come and go but I've known these mamas for many years. Since I have a good relationship with the mama sans they all flag me down not usually the girls themselves to offer me "snacks" I have voiced that I like in the past. Mamas have even helped me to dodge clingily bar girls so that I could bar fine girls from the same bar after they leave they can be very good allies indeed. The older waitresses are also good sources of intel.Do you honestly believe that a mama, waitress or bar owner would actually tell a punter who a drinks only girl is? That would defeat the whole object of drinks only girls being employed to hustle drinks in order to make big money for the girl, the mama and the bar owners.
Sure, mamas / waitresses / bar owners can politely introduce a bar girl to a punter but have no power or say over a bar girls choices or decisions as to whom she will give attention to, drink with or fuck with, nor do they want power or a say, why, well read the very strict phills human traffic laws to see exactly why that is.
Hi Vic, my experience has been that if any girl in the PH tells you that you're the first, or the best, they might be telling porkies...I find it best to just play along. Sometimes I think that they have lied for so long that they actually believe the stories themselves.
Of course, of there is something in it for her, then she will soon come around. This is a fairly typical conversation:
G: What are you looking for?
Her: Oh, I'm pure as the driven snow. I'm looking for a nice boy who will watch the sunset with me.
That's nice but I'm married with 97 kids so am just looking for someone who will gargle my cum after I piss all over her face.
Wow that sounds nice. I guess we can be friends.
Sure. How about we meet at Mall X at 7:30.
Oh. I'm shy to meet foreigners in public. We meet at your hotel? Can you help with my books.
Sure. 4 k if you stay the night.
Can. 😍.
Its a modem day Romeo and Juliet.
Enjoy. G.
ThreeInches
05-03-24, 05:03
Do you honestly believe that a mama, waitress or bar owner would actually tell a punter who a drinks only girl is? That would defeat the whole object of drinks only girls being employed to hustle drinks in order to make big money for the girl, the mama and the bar owners.
Sure, mamas / waitresses / bar owners can politely introduce a bar girl to a punter but have no power or say over a bar girls choices or decisions as to whom she will give attention to, drink with or fuck with, nor do they want power or a say, why, well read the very strict phills human traffic laws to see exactly why that is.Is english your second language? You seem to have a hard time understanding what I post. You may just be trying to be argumentative for the sake of it or just don't understand the post as a whole (in which case that isn't your fault) I'm not sure which. Having a good relationship with the mama san can open up a reluctant bar girl. Mama's do tell me who only is there for drinks because they know I would just stop coming to that bar due to a bad experience and since I spend about 1. 5 million pesos on bar fines annually give or take (which the mama's directly benefit from) not counting drinks. They would lose a lot more than drinks. I've known these mama-sans and the more wizened waitresses for many years, so some random bargirls fate pales in comparison to what profit is to be had if they treat me well which they understand, and like I said before which you must have not understood. I also hear what the girl I barfined last night said about me from the mama-sans, if the girls is trying to play me they have told me this countless number of times and introduced me to other girls. May just be a language barrier issue for you if you are running into tight lipped mamas.
The easiest way to not waste your time on lady drinks and not to get turned down is to grease the mama its the best way to ensure good service and acceptance. Girls who are reluctant are made to see the bigger picture after I voice my concerns to the mamasan..Have to agree with ThreeInches here, hard to accept but if you want a girl so so bad you might have the best chance of bypassing the girl and going right to the mamasan. Might not work for tourists though but for regular customers you can easily get a mamasan as your 'guide' on her new girls. A girl doing few barfines makes the mamasan little money, getting the mamasan to understand that you'll go to her first for her girls will help you get the girl and better service. The girls are afraid of mamasan in most cases, if they are not then they have too much experience. Its all about money, mamasan makes little off a girls drinks. She wants the big cut from barfines.
Have to agree with ThreeInches here, hard to accept but if you want a girl so so bad you might have the best chance of bypassing the girl and going right to the mamasan...Or ask the girl early. I'd rather be down one drink than ten but lots of guys sit there all night plying her with drinks then get a shock when it's time to leave.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
05-07-24, 12:15
Some more finger pics. Better than pr*ck pix I'm told. Fingering the pulse of AC.
Get out there. Or in there.
Is english your second language? Napa's language skills are fine. It's a brain disorder caused by too much bacon slapping. Cheers.
I just returned from a 2 week plus trip to the Philippines. I almost cancelled my trip as I read many reports on numerous forums from travelers complaining about the Philippines, particularly the high cost of everything, specifically company and the lack of quality. One thing I did notice about all of these posts was they were mostly from Philippines veterans with many trips, mostly pre-Covid under their belt and they were making comparisons about now versus then. Since I already had the airfare purchased and didn't want to have to try to use a future $3 K plus flight credit, I decided to go ahead and make the trip.
Since I am a relative Philippines noob only having spent 4 nights before in Angeles City in transit to Thailand, this report will focus on what I found on this trip with no comparisons to how things were (or might have been) five, ten or more years ago. I will occasionally compare things to other venues I visit frequently like Costa Rica, Thailand or the Dominican Republic. This report is mostly intended for folks that are considering heading to the Philippines for the first time or returning after a long absence.
Money
The currency is the Philippine Peso. I almost exclusively paid for things in cash and got my cash from ATMs since I have a Schwab card that refunds all ATM fees. It looked like most ATMs charged a p250 fee and most limited you to a p10 K withdrawal but you could do multiple withdrawals. One ATM I found in a 7/11 allowed p20 K. My hotels were all paid by credit card through Agoda.com in USD. Exchange booths abound in the tourist areas I visited but I didn't pay attention to the rates or fees.
On average p10000 cost me about $175. So, when I was out on the town, I was quick calculating that p100 was about $2.
Transportation.
I got a good fare on United for Polaris class. Originally my itinerary had me going direct to San Francisco from my hometown and connecting to Manila. That was one of the reasons I decided to take this trip as I had never had a one stop itinerary to SE Asia before. Well schedules changed (as always) and I ended up connecting in Denver on the outbound and Washington Dulles on the inbound. All of my connections were so tight that I didn't have the opportunity to visit any of the Polaris lounges. I hear they are great but I'll just have to assume that is the case.
The service on the flight was good and the lay flat seat was comparable to Delta One and Singapore Air. The food was decent but not as good as other trans-Pacific flights I have taken. But for the fare paid I was happy. Total 24 hours outbound and 22 return.
My first stop was Angeles City so I had to get transportation from MNL terminal 3. Everyone recommended the Genisys bus as it is super cheap but that would have required getting a taxi from around Clark Airport to my hotel in Angeles City. I knew I was going to be tired and I was landing at 6 am so I scheduled a car from Beesway. It was p3500 and he got me there in 1 HR. 20 min. Since there was very little traffic. I also used Beesway for my return back to Manila. Same price Angeles to Makati.
In town I always took a trike for short runs. P100 and Grab (like Uber) for longer trips or if I had luggage. Grab gives you a very reasonable fixed fare unlike the metered taxis.
Hotels.
My itinerary had me 12 nights in Angeles City, 1 night in Makati and 3 nights in Malate / Ermita. Note all of the hotels were guest friendly. The only one that checked ID was the Regency Grand Suites in Malate.
Angeles City. Wild Orchid Lagoon Resort.
There are two Wild Orchid hotels. The Lagoon resort is a bit more upscale with two large and well-maintained pools. There is also a swim-up bar at the pool. It is also a bit more expensive.
I liked the Wild Orchid. While the hotel is definitely showing some wear and tear, the staff was always around fixing, painting, cleaning, etc. The entire staff was incredibly friendly. I had a Lagoon Balcony room and it was pretty large. Comfortable King size bed and the AC cooled the room well even though temperatures were approaching 100 degrees F.
The location is a short walk to Walking St (Fields Ave.).
Breakfast was not included in my rate though I could get breakfast in the hotel restaurant. All of the food in the restaurant was pretty good and very reasonably priced for a hotel. I was also open 24 hours for food and drinks. I would definitely stay here again.
Angeles City. ABC Hotel.
I spent the last 4 nights in Angeles here. I had heard so much about it I wanted to see it. First thing, the rooms are pricey. I got what they call the Aqua Suite and it was huge, really more than I needed. Also, I lot of the square footage was taken up by a fancy round tub that was the size of a backyard jacuzzi but it didn't have any jets. For me this was wasted space, I never used it as there was a nice walk-in shower and I'm too old to attempt carnal activity in a bathtub. Also be advised there was no balcony. On a super positive note, the room is stocked with six, incredibly large bath towels.
There was an extensive mini-bar in the room that even include bottles of liquor and wine. If you bring company up to the room watch their consumption as the prices are pretty steep.
The main swimming pool is large and located in an open-air atrium right by the main hotel restaurant. There are also two small pools located on the roof at the Aqua Club. The Aqua Club is a nice bar area where they have different themes every night. It can get pretty lively. The first night I went up it was Ladies Night and there was a ton of incredibly young, bikini clad model types hanging around taking photos / videos of themselves, probably for their Instagram feed. They were hanging around the tables where the guys were buying bottles and shots. I'm sure they were available but probably well out of my price range.
The location is on Fields Avenue about half way between Walking Street and the Perimeter Bars. Not a very long walk either way but I usually opted for a trike as it was very hot in the daytime and a little sketchy after dark.
The restaurant food was OK but quite a bit pricier than at the Wild Orchid.
If I had a travel companion (female) I would probably stay here again. But for a single traveler it was a bit too much.
Makati. City Garden Grand.
I only stayed here one night. It was quite impressive and a very short walk to P. Burgos St. The room was huge, it was a deluxe king and quite reasonable for the quality and location. I swear this room had the largest bed I have ever seen in a hotel. It was at least as wide as two queen beds side-by-side and longer than a normal king. The room was quite large but no balcony. Nice roof top pool and a roof top restaurant that was a little pricey but not outrageous.
You need to swipe your card to access the room floors.
I definitely would stay here again if I am in Makati. Breakfast was not included in my rate.
Malate. Regency Grand Suites.
This is not really a hotel but a bunch of Condos managed in Birch Tower. A few companies seem to manage a select set of condos and book them out as hotel rooms. The do provide daily housekeeping. The building is definitely showing signs of wear and tear. There were the usual amenities provided and a couple of smaller, somewhat thin bath towels. They were responsive to a request for more towels.
The room was just OK. Comfortable King bed and air conditioning in the living room and the bedroom but it really didn't cool the room of very well. Breakfast was not included but was available in the little restaurant on the ground floor right by reception. Security is good and you need to swipe a card to access the elevators to the room. The pool was well shaded but the water was a bit murky. Luckily there weren't many people when I was there since they only had a few not-so-comfortable lounge chairs.
The location is great. A very short walk to Robinsons Mall and a short trike ride to The LA Cafe and the KTVs.
Of all of the hotels I stayed in this trip, this is the only one I probably wouldn't book again.
Entertainment.
As a rule, I found the Filipinas to be incredibly friendly and most spoke passable to excellent English. Quite a few of them don't even think about mentioning a condom and a couple were a bit surprised when I put one on. Even though they are obviously working to separate you from your cash, their demeanor was a lot less transactional than their counterparts in other Asian or Latin American venues. They would nurse their "lady drink" so that they finished about the same time you finished your drink, not gulp it down quickly and ask for another like many places in Thailand.
I visited many bars and I am not going to try and remember each one and comment on it. I will call out some of the more exceptional (good and bad) places I did visit.
Angeles City.
There are two main bar areas, Walking Street and Perimeter Road which is maybe 1 K up Fields Avenue.
Walking Street.
Most of the bars are gogos with a few KTVs thrown in to keep the Asian customers happy. Previous posters have pointed out that there are two types of bars, the Korean owned bars and the western owned bars. Many people diss the Korean owned places but I found really very little difference except that almost all of the Korean owned bars allow smoking inside while the western bars do not. I felt welcomed in every bar I stopped in to. A lot of the western owned bars seem to be owned by a consortium called the Wolfpack Group. They have a discount card that I believe gives you a 20% discount on your drinks and the drinks of a female companion that doesn't work in the bar. Lady Drinks not discounted.
It is also said that the Korean customers hit the bars early and barfine all of the good-looking talent. That may be partially true but I would still see stunners in the bars at night and I saw a lot of Koreans were walking around with their date of the day and those dates were for the most part nothing spectacular. It is also said that the women in a lot of the bars prefer going with Koreans over westerners. Watching the Koreans move I kind of understand why.
1) They seem to barfine them for a least the day. They are taking them to nice (er) restaurants and seem to treat them like a date or a GF.
2) I didn't see one Korean get overly drunk and obnoxious. I can't say the same for some of the westerners I saw.
3) In the bar they seem to treat the women with a little respect. I saw some western guys pretty much mauling bar girls after buying them a drink. The Koreans are a bit more laid back.
Note all of the above statements are generalizations from only 12 days of observation. I could be totally wrong.
Drink prices seemed pretty consistent with a San Miguel running p95 to p140 and lady drinks p250 to p300.
Some bars of note:
Midnight Rodeo. Not a gogo but rather a live music venue. Located just off Walking Street, down from Phillies restaurant near the Queens hotel. A very good Filipino band plays western music pretty much from the 60's, 70's and 80's. Though not a gogo you can buy drinks for and barfine most of the waitresses. The waitresses are incredibly friendly, attractive but most are probably in their 30's. Some are probably a bit older. This was probably my favorite bar to just visit and kick back. A San Miguel was p120 and I think the LDs were p250. Bar fine was p4000 but somewhat negotiable if the woman is willing to take a smaller cut.
Bacarra. A gogo on Walking Street that I visited late afternoon a couple of times. They had a pretty good daytime line-up including one absolutely gorgeous spinner. They don't really dance but just sit on stage only to get up when a new customer enters or someone calls them down for a drink. SML was p120 and LD was p250. Barfine p5000.
Champaign. Another Walking St gogo. Had a great time in this bar a couple of nights. The dancers / waitresses were for the most part pretty attractive and very friendly. Lots of customer interaction. On my second night returning to this bar the manager bought me a drink. Never had that happen before in the Philippines. Don't remember the exact drink prices but they were probably in the p120 / p250 range.
Mega Dance. This is a night club located on WS pretty much next to Phillies. I walked in about 11 pm one night and left quickly as the music was incredibly loud and annoying (to me). It was packed with women though and quite a few looked very good in the dark bar. I did talk to one woman that was outside grabbing a smoke and she was complaining that there were no guys inside, just women.
Aqua Club. On the rooftop of the ABC Hotel. I described it a bit above. Very good looking and young freelancers the two times I went up. Bring lots of cash though as these ladies looked very high-end and the drinks weren't cheap.
Perimeter Bars.
These are lower-end bars up Fields Ave from Walking St. I walked up one afternoon; it wasn't really too far but with the heat I decided to trike it from then on. Prices at these bars are much less than Walking St. San Miguels were regularly I believe p95 or so and p55 during some happy hours. LDs were p200 to p250. The women working these bars are for the most part a lot older than their Walking St counterparts though there were a few younger a good-looking one.
Most of the bars I visited were pretty similar. The customers seemed to be mostly western expats or long-term vacationers. Most served pretty decent food and one bar, Night Moves was packed around 2 pm and most folks were eating lunch.
One bar, Emotions, was only about a couple blocks away from the ABC Hotel. I stopped in one early evening and was pleasantly surprised at their lineup. Drinks were a little higher here, I think a SML was p120 and LDs were p250. Barfine was p2500 if you wanted to use a room onsite or p3000 to take them back to the hotel. I took one girl out from here and took up to the Aqua Club. She had never been there and was a little intimidated by the luxury and the hot young women running around.
And not a bar but I have to call out Al Bacio Italian Restaurant. It's very close to the ABC Hotel. It was a little on the expensive side but the pasta was outstanding. It was an elegant setting and would be a great place to take a date.
Manila Bars.
I didn't spend much time in Manila, just one night in Makati and two nights in the Malate area. In Malate I went to the LA Cafe both nights. This is a 24-hour freelancer bar. A lot of people say this place has gone downhill but I was there mid-week and it was packed both nights in the around 10 pm. There are women of all shapes / sizes and ages but I was impressed with the overall quality. The women there are pretty aggressive in that they want to negotiate a deal right off the bat. It kind of reminded me of the Blue Marlin Bar at the Hotel Del Rey in San Jose Costa Rica in its heyday. Drink prices were reasonable, I think a SML was p140. No LD prices. I was sitting at the bar with a group of women and bought a bucket of beers for p700. Take out prices varied from woman to woman. I had one stunner quote me p5000. After I walked away, she wanted to negotiate but I never go with one that I've talked down in price. Most were asking p2500 / p3000.
In Makati I stayed near the bars around P Burgos. Most of the bars are gogos and drinks are pricey and the women for the most part were pretty attractive. One bar called Fyre stood out. The lineup was outstanding, rivaling a high-end strip club in the states. And a couple of the dancers actually danced. There was one dancer that was working the stripper pole like a gymnast and I called her down to buy a drink. She was absolutely phenomenal looking. When she got to my table, she smiled and to her credit said "you do realize that lady drinks are p850". I damn near dropped my beer. I smiled at her and told her that was way out of my price range and tipped her a p200 for being honest with me. She could have milked me for a lot of cash.
Outside of the bars, the streets are lined with freelancers. All of them vying for your attention as there weren't many tourists out and about. Some of these women were quite good looking. Probably a 50/50 mix of women and ladyboys. Prices quoted from p1000 to p5000. There are short time hotels in the area with p500 rooms.
All in all, I enjoyed my stay. I will definitely return but will probably spend more time in Malate as I like freelancer bars more than gogos. I am scheduled to go to Thailand for the month of October and I had carved out 10 days to visit Cambodia and Vietnam. I just might replace that with the Philippines.
I had a Brain Fart. The dates for the trip report below is from March 31 to April 17,2024. I don't know where the October dates came from.
Sorry for the confusion.
I just returned from a 2 week plus trip to the Philippines. A big 👍 for the very informative report.
Great to hear you had such a good time at all your stops.
G.
Expat American
05-09-24, 10:29
Midnight Rodeo. Not a gogo but rather a live music venue. Located just off Walking Street, down from Phillies restaurant near the Queens hotel. A very good Filipino band plays western music pretty much from the 60's, 70's and 80's. Though not a gogo you can buy drinks for and barfine most of the waitresses. The waitresses are incredibly friendly, attractive but most are probably in their 30's. Some are probably a bit older. This was probably my favorite bar to just visit and kick back. A San Miguel was p120 and I think the LDs were p250. Bar fine was p4000 but somewhat negotiable if the woman is willing to take a smaller cut..Nice report. I never saw Midnight Rodeo featured in a TR but I used to love that place. I didn't know the waitresses bar fined. I have had a couple follow me to my hotel but not via bar fine. Usually though its where I would take a LT BF between fucks to hang out, listen to the great band (the really do an amazing rendition of Queen songs) and maybe dance a bit. Agree also on Al Bacio, nice Italian place especially considering where it is. You were surprised that BBFS is common? Dude, that's like the only reason left to go to AC anymore for most punters. LOL.
Sadly I am one of those who have been going to AC since 2005 so I can't help but compare and find it not worth the time or money in its current state. But glad you had a good time.
SergioAgu93
05-09-24, 12:19
I just returned from a 2 week plus trip to the Philippines. I almost cancelled my trip as I read many reports on numerous forums from travelers complaining about the Philippines, particularly the high cost of everything, specifically company and the lack of quality. One thing I did notice about all of these posts was they were mostly from Philippines veterans with many trips, mostly pre-Covid under their belt and they were making comparisons about now versus then. Since I already had the airfare purchased and didn't want to have to try to use a future $3 K plus flight credit, I decided to go ahead and make the trip.
Since I am a relative Philippines noob only having spent 4 nights before in Angeles City in transit to Thailand, this report will focus on what I found on this trip with no comparisons to how things were (or might have been) five, ten or more years ago. I will occasionally compare things to other venues I visit frequently like Costa Rica, Thailand or the Dominican Republic. This report is mostly intended for folks that are considering heading to the Philippines for the first time or returning after a long absence..Very honest and informative, thanks.
I just returned from a 2 week plus trip to the Philippines.Great review HardDrive and very informative for those that haven't been to the places you visited or the PH scene generally.
I usually get my business work out of the way when I arrive in Manila and before my flight home. Therefore, Makati is a good choice for me and I usually stay at the other Garden City across the road. Never had a problem bringing guests back there as long as we're all well behaved.
Once work's out of they way, it's time for a bit of fun and relaxation. So usually I try to find a spot by the water, or on an island somewhere, and check out the potential scene. For this reason, I haven't done inland Angeles much, and although it's aged, I like staying at the Wild Orchid when I'm there and the majority of the staff are great.
I also prefer the freelancer scene, or relying on the contacts I've made on all my previous visits. The only time really I use WhatsApp. It's like a contact list of my previous adventures and I seem to add contacts on every visit.
The thing I like about this forum is that people all have their own tastes and objectives and that's more than generally respected.
Phil.
The only time really I use WhatsApp. It's like a contact list of my previous adventures and I seem to add contacts on every visit.
Phil.I'm a big fan of WhatsApp:
Girls have a unique identifier so there's no need to sort through the 1000 Mary Valdez's in Cebu like FB.
It keeps Contact names, photos, chats and web links all together in one place.
Its search facility is wide ranging. Its very easy to find photos sent by 'Cebu Freelancer" s and then check our chats on Pina Love.
My number / username has followed me across countries and several new phones.
No recommendations of my account nor contacts to friends of friends. No ads or recommendations based upon internet activity. Basically my play WhatsApp is kept 100% separate from my daily life and contacts.
Recognition of duplicate numbers. I've saved a lot of time by catching pretend good girls with a new pinalove profile who offered cum gargling services a week ago.
Actually, I don't delete or block anyone. Even the psychos just get an X beside their name so that I know not to waste my time next time they set up a Pina account or contact me. "XLB" is pretty self explanatory.
Cheers. G.
WestCoast1
05-11-24, 08:21
I just returned from a 2 week plus trip to the Philippines. I almost cancelled my trip as I read many reports on numerous forums from travelers complaining about the Philippines, particularly the high cost of everything, specifically company and the lack of quality. One thing I did notice about all of these posts was they were mostly from Philippines veterans with many trips, mostly pre-Covid under their belt and they were making comparisons about now versus then. Since I already had the airfare purchased and didn't want to have to try to use a future $3 K plus flight credit, I decided to go ahead and make the trip.High-5 and ditto the other gent's comments and high marks. For those who seem unable to write a descriptive field report, please use HD's report as a guide.
This report worthy of a pic. May ye be blessed with a tiny, narcissistic gal who likes to take pics and vids of herself while being driven down the Hershey Highway (or doing anything).
Phils: Like Forrest's box of chocolates. Or alternately, a sexual Twighlight Zone.
WestCoast1
05-16-24, 23:38
4-5 days since the last AC post. Possibly a testament to the long-gone good-old-daze, the weird-and-crappy new days (ala NS), the increased K presence, and the lowly 50% gringo return rate since covid.
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Money
The currency is the Philippine Peso. I almost exclusively paid for things in cash and got my cash from ATMs since I have a Schwab card that refunds all ATM fees. It looked like most ATMs charged a p250 fee and most limited you to a p10 K withdrawal but you could do multiple withdrawals. One ATM I found in a 7/11 allowed p20 K. My hotels were all paid by credit card through Agoda.com in USD. Exchange booths abound in the tourist areas I visited but I didn't pay attention to the rates or fees.
On average p10000 cost me about $175. So, when I was out on the town, I was quick calculating that p100 was about $2.
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Amazing report HD. And yes the grand at Makati is amazing.
You also seem to have gotten a good exchange rates at ATMs. I had taken cash, the new $100's. They fetched good rates in exchanges and there were many. I had layered the cash into multiple envelopes and used the vaults in hotels. I also had a forex fee free credit card for use with grab or at restaurants. Just additional data points for fellow mongers.
Dear Friends of AC thread.
I have read posts till about 6-7 pages on this thread and so far could only read about bars and bargirls, I am doing some ground work on AC for consideration of visit 4-5 months from now. I am curious as to other than the bar scene what are the other mongering options available, preferably straightforward like a Massage parlour, Soapy massage parlour (similar to Thailand) or Casas. Immense respect to all the Phillipinos / as and if bars are the only way to go I understand, but it would be of great help if anybody could provide any information on this topic.
Many Thanks in advance.
Dear Friends of AC thread.I am curious as to other than the bar scene what are the other mongering options available, preferably straightforward like a Massage parlour, Soapy massage parlour (similar to Thailand) or Casas.Hi Arnold, whilst I don't do the massage scene, most guys report on here that they're not exactly worthwhile or indeed like Thailand. There's a bar on Blow Row that is not your typical go-go bar called Roelgeorge (formerly Flaming Bar) that might be worth a try. Last time I was there a few months ago, they were mainly older girls, but extremely good at their job. I usually just swap WhatsApp details with them for hook-ups at your hotel.
I also hit-up the hotel security guys, taxi drivers or any local targets and just ask the question, "Where can I find a nice pretty girl around here?" Sounds like a stupid question in AC but usually within half an hour I'll have some talent in my room.
So to conclude, my experience has been that there's no need to rely on the go-gos or clubs to hook up. Hope this helps. Phil.
4-5 days since the last AC post. Possibly a testament to the long-gone good-old-daze, the weird-and-crappy new days (ala NS), the increased K presence, and the lowly 50% gringo return rate since covid.I am with WestCoast on the Christmas metaphor. I just made my first trip back to AC in 16 months a couple weeks ago. I only spent 5 days there, mongering 3 of those and brief drinks out the other 2. I'm not sure if my experience represents the long-term trend, but I noticed a few changes compared to my last visit in January 2023. Unfortunately, I didn't get a lot of entertaining details or photos for individual reports this time. I might still write up separate reports for each night, but I'm more inclined to just give a general update of impressions since I did not get much satisfaction.
Supply and Demand Better.
The biggest surprise was the noticeable improvement in supply and demand. There are far more / younger / hotter girls available than in Jan 2023. XS was already hot before and still is. But now there are greater numbers of 18-22 year olds in Avalon / Dollhouse / Carousel, and even smaller places like Geckos and Q Bar. Yes, I was sorry to see Viking Bar, Brown Sugar, and Ace closed during my visit. Most other spots had at least several decent lookers. Big disappointments were Atlantis (major decline), Genesis, Dragon, and shooters.
Also shocking were how few visitors there were on Walking Street, especially during the weekdays. Girl supply was a big improvement, but the huge drop in demand with fewer mongers was a short term plus and maybe long term minus. I couldn't believe how dead the street was on the 3 nights T-W-Th. Most places only had a few customers (including Koreans). The weekend was busier, but even that more resembled what weekdays were in Jan 2023. I heard managers, waitresses, mamasans, and WGs all mention the big drop in customers, some seeming worried. They also mentioned how so many girls wanted to BF with so little business coming in.
Prices and Accessibility Same or a Little Better Depending on Your Point of Origin.
There are more direct flights to Clark from around Asia compared to early 2023. I'm based in Asia, so my flight was only 90 minutes and around US $200 round trip. Getting through Clark customs is a breeze compared to Manila, and Grab gets you to your hotel in about 20 minutes for around P330. Hotel prices were down just a bit, so I only forked out US $400 for 5 nights at one of the decent spots a block from WS.
Drink prices seemed almost the same as January 2023. As others have recently reported, Bar Fines are a bit higher and more uniform (4/5/6 k pesos, or US $70/85/105). Every bar I visited quoted only 1 takeaway price, all for the new definition of LT (which seems to mean an hour or 2 if you are lucky). No one quoted me a single ST price. I don't mind paying the extra 20 bucks a night at all if it is a fun 2 pops, but that's not happening as much.
So for me being based in Asia, the associated costs were slightly cheaper than my 2022 and 2023 trips. But I think it will depend on where you're coming from, whether you can get one of the limited direct Clark flights, and how tempted you are to go for the many stunners (more fun to be had if they don't look so good, in my opinion).
Attitude and Service Worse.
Bigger supply of hot girls doesn't mean better sex. Clearly more filipinas are returning to a similar economic reality as before the pandemic, so they're coming back to the go go bars in search of easy money. But no mistake about it, their attitudes have changed. They now estimate themselves higher through their mobile apps and social media, as if they are the same as other girls around the world. Attitudes have been changing for a while, and it was even worse this trip. I agree with other guys who have observed that there are more drink milkers, runners, shorter "overnighters," and outright scammers.
My 3 nights out (T-W-Th) were a big contrast from 2023 in a few ways. I BFd 3 women. One was a hot 21 year old single mom (no marks) named Jenlyn from Geckos on Tues (4 k, no tip). The 2nd ws an 18 year old super stunner named Niezel from Dollhouse on Wed (5 k, no tip). The 3rd was a cute and fit 29 year old dancer named Paula from XS on Thurs (6 k plus 500 tip).
The first 2 of these were among the hottest girls I ever fucked (especially Dollhouse absolute dream for looks), but they both turned out to be bad experiences. Both had promised to stay til morning before BFing, but immediately following session 1 they both ran to bathroom to shower and put clothes back on. J was willing to stay longer and not do session 2, so I just told her to go. And came up with some BS scam about an early breakfast with her sisters (see below) and refused to even look at me after first session before bolting. P agreed to stay til 5, with a bit of push and pull but managed to keep a good spirit. She fell asleep a while before allowing 2nd session and then asked to go, so she was gone before 3 am.
Of the 3, only P was satisfying sex, with 2 good sessions, BBBJ and BBFS multiple positions. J only wanted to make sure I wasn't angry but wasn't willing to do anymore (brief BBBJ, insisted on condom). And was a bad dream. She started off amazing but suddenly became "shy" in my room. She was a great kisser but did no BJ and wouldn't let me see her body with light on (she had no problem gyrating her g-string ass around the Dollhouse stage pole in front of 50 people 45 minutes before that, go figure). And grudgingly allowed BBFS, which was fucking amazing but too short to enjoy it before she ran. She then turned downright hostile when I called her out for scamming me.
I also wasted LDs on drink milkers back to back nights (18 year old super hottie Milecita from Q Bar and petite MILF Rachel from Carousel). I saw a 20 year old stunner at Avalon milking drinks before driving her poor guy away.
Employer Leverage Worse and Almost Gone.
The bars clearly have little remaining leverage over their girls. I heard waitresses tell me every night that "it's up to the girl. " I hadn't heard this much before, and it seems that the bottom line has moved. The young stunners seem aware that they at least have to put out for session 1 and can't cross that line, but condom requests are becoming more common. They know they can get away with running, and they are keeping a close eye on where the line of bare minimum service is. Even waitresses and mamas are openly acknowledging the common attitude problems now. For guys who have very limited time frames or budgets, this would make me have second thoughts about making a long trip. This, along with the hotter temperatures each year (everyday was blazing 35 degrees Celsius), it seems to be keeping visitors away, at least this month.
For me, the frustration with the 2 runners was pretty bad, when you think you're just getting started and have the amazing girl right there and then she starts playing the see*nt games. It forces you to make some tough decisions at the moment and exercise serious self control. I'm not sure how much it is worth it if the bars can't provide some guarantee.
There's been talk on the forum about whether or not to complain back at the bar when someone runs or you get scammed. I decided not to this time, knowing that I'll likely be back on occasion and that I would call them out here. Even though they pissed me off, I know I can just go with someone else any other night, and I only partially wasted a petty amount not getting the 2nd session. No matter how I look at it, US $100 is still relative bargain for the young stunners. But I may complain in the future.
Scams and Excuses. Worse.
I'll share more details about the nightmare with swindler and from Dollhouse. Her runner scam is methodically worked out between her and 2 other unbelievable hotties at Dollhouse. The waitress actually recommended and to me, and when she joined me, I was shocked when she said her 2 older sisters worked with her at Dollhouse, and they were both up on stage. I don't know if they were really sisters or not (and names were probably fake), but I believe they were 18,22, and 23, and they were an exceptionally hot trio (from Samar), like eye popping. Never seen a set of sisters look like that.
Whether or not they are family, they obviously have worked out a system for supporting each other as runners. They start texting each other around an hour after the sucker (me) pays the BF, pretending to arrange an "urgent" breakfast with each other early the following morning as an excuse for the BF'the girl to run. She turns her mobile phone sound on after session 1 so then there is constant pinging among the 3. It is so bad that you have no chance to converse with her anymore and have no choice but to let her go so that it doesn't escalate. After session 1, and just had her clothes on facing the other way and refusing to even talk to me. When I pointed out that she never intended to do an overnight at the moment she had agreed to it before I BF'the her at Dollhouse and the whole thing was a scam, she just said "yeah" to my face before walking out and before I blew a stack (and luckily had a good recovery the next night with P).
Overall Worse.
I was originally planning to spend another week in AC in June, but I'm looking to go elsewhere now. The girls are hotter and you can pull them every night, but it's more complicated than fun, and the politicking is too fucked up. If you can just go to WS knowing basically what to expect without all the dicking around, it would still be a paradise. But this last visit, the sex was bad to mediocre, hardly any of the girls I met were fun to be around, and the **** games were all the same shit I spent decades playing back when I was chasing civilians. Hotter girls, worse sex, more stress. I don't plan to visit AC much unless it looks like WG attitudes get better and bars can regain some control over the service.
NRandom940
05-21-24, 14:30
I am with WestCoast on the Christmas metaphor. I just made my first trip back to AC in 16 months a couple weeks ago. I only spent 5 days there, mongering 3 of those and brief drinks out the other 2. I'm not sure if my experience represents the long-term trend, but I noticed a few changes compared to my last visit in January 2023. Unfortunately, I didn't get a lot of entertaining details or photos for individual reports this time. I might still write up separate reports for each night, but I'm more inclined to just give a general update of impressions since I did not get much satisfaction.
Supply and Demand Better.
The biggest surprise was the noticeable improvement in supply and demand. There are far more / younger / hotter girls available than in Jan 2023. XS was already hot before and still is. But now there are greater numbers of 18-22 year olds in Avalon / Dollhouse / Carousel, and even smaller places like Geckos and Q Bar. Yes, I was sorry to see Viking Bar, Brown Sugar, and Ace closed during my visit. Most other spots had at least several decent lookers..How much would it cost to BF them for short-term?
Overall Worse.
I was originally planning to spend another week in AC in June, but I'm looking to go elsewhere now. The girls are hotter and you can pull them every night, but it's more complicated than fun, and the politicking is too fucked up. If you can just go to WS knowing basically what to expect without all the dicking around, it would still be a paradise. But this last visit, the sex was bad to mediocre, hardly any of the girls I met were fun to be around, and the **** games were all the same shit I spent decades playing back when I was chasing civilians. Hotter girls, worse sex, more stress. I don't plan to visit AC much unless it looks like WG attitudes get better and bars can regain some control over the service.It's and ot the rising prices but that negative not caring attitude which kills AC as monger destination. The girls chase for the money but not willing anymore to attend to you with their full attention. No more GF feeling whicht was the main reason to go to AC before!
Simple fucks I can get elsewhere for much lesser money.
I just returned from a 2 week plus trip to the Philippines. I almost cancelled my trip as I read many reports on numerous forums from travelers complaining about the Philippines, particularly the high cost of everything, specifically company and the lack of quality. One thing I did notice about all of these posts was they were mostly from Philippines veterans with many trips, mostly pre-Covid under their belt and they were making comparisons about now versus then. Since I already had the airfare purchased and didn't want to have to try to use a future $3 K plus flight credit, I decided to go ahead and make the trip.
Since I am a relative Philippines noob only having spent 4 nights before in Angeles City in transit to Thailand, this report will focus on what I found on this trip with no comparisons to how things were (or might have been) five, ten or more years ago. I will occasionally compare things to other venues I visit frequently like Costa Rica, Thailand or the Dominican Republic. This report is mostly intended for folks that are considering heading to the Philippines for the first time or returning after a long absence.
Money
The currency is the Philippine Peso. I almost exclusively paid for things in cash and got my cash from ATMs since I have a Schwab card that refunds all ATM fees. It looked like most ATMs charged a p250 fee and most limited you to a p10 K withdrawal but you could do multiple withdrawals. One ATM I found in a 7/11 allowed p20 K. My hotels were all paid by credit card through Agoda.com in USD. Exchange booths abound in the tourist areas I visited but I didn't pay attention to the rates or fees.
On average p10000 cost me about $175. So, when I was out on the town, I was quick calculating that p100 was about $2.
Transportation.
I got a good fare on United for Polaris class. Originally my itinerary had me going direct to San Francisco from my hometown and connecting to Manila. That was one of the reasons I decided to take this trip as I had never had a one stop itinerary to SE Asia before. Well schedules changed (as always) and I ended up connecting in Denver on the outbound and Washington Dulles on the inbound. All of my connections were so tight that I didn't have the opportunity to visit any of the Polaris lounges. I hear they are great but I'll just have to assume that is the case.
The service on the flight was good and the lay flat seat was comparable to Delta One and Singapore Air. The food was decent but not as good as other trans-Pacific flights I have taken. But for the fare paid I was happy. Total 24 hours outbound and 22 return.
My first stop was Angeles City so I had to get transportation from MNL terminal 3. Everyone recommended the Genisys bus as it is super cheap but that would have required getting a taxi from around Clark Airport to my hotel in Angeles City. I knew I was going to be tired and I was landing at 6 am so I scheduled a car from Beesway. It was p3500 and he got me there in 1 HR. 20 min. Since there was very little traffic. I also used Beesway for my return back to Manila. Same price Angeles to Makati.
In town I always took a trike for short runs. P100 and Grab (like Uber) for longer trips or if I had luggage. Grab gives you a very reasonable fixed fare unlike the metered taxis.
Hotels.
My itinerary had me 12 nights in Angeles City, 1 night in Makati and 3 nights in Malate / Ermita. Note all of the hotels were guest friendly. The only one that checked ID was the Regency Grand Suites in Malate.
Angeles City. Wild Orchid Lagoon Resort.
There are two Wild Orchid hotels. The Lagoon resort is a bit more upscale with two large and well-maintained pools. There is also a swim-up bar at the pool. It is also a bit more expensive.
I liked the Wild Orchid. While the hotel is definitely showing some wear and tear, the staff was always around fixing, painting, cleaning, etc. The entire staff was incredibly friendly. I had a Lagoon Balcony room and it was pretty large. Comfortable King size bed and the AC cooled the room well even though temperatures were approaching 100 degrees F.
The location is a short walk to Walking St (Fields Ave.).
Breakfast was not included in my rate though I could get breakfast in the hotel restaurant. All of the food in the restaurant was pretty good and very reasonably priced for a hotel. I was also open 24 hours for food and drinks. I would definitely stay here again.
Angeles City. ABC Hotel.
I spent the last 4 nights in Angeles here. I had heard so much about it I wanted to see it. First thing, the rooms are pricey. I got what they call the Aqua Suite and it was huge, really more than I needed. Also, I lot of the square footage was taken up by a fancy round tub that was the size of a backyard jacuzzi but it didn't have any jets. For me this was wasted space, I never used it as there was a nice walk-in shower and I'm too old to attempt carnal activity in a bathtub. Also be advised there was no balcony. On a super positive note, the room is stocked with six, incredibly large bath towels.
There was an extensive mini-bar in the room that even include bottles of liquor and wine. If you bring company up to the room watch their consumption as the prices are pretty steep.
The main swimming pool is large and located in an open-air atrium right by the main hotel restaurant. There are also two small pools located on the roof at the Aqua Club. The Aqua Club is a nice bar area where they have different themes every night. It can get pretty lively. The first night I went up it was Ladies Night and there was a ton of incredibly young, bikini clad model types hanging around taking photos / videos of themselves, probably for their Instagram feed. They were hanging around the tables where the guys were buying bottles and shots. I'm sure they were available but probably well out of my price range.
The location is on Fields Avenue about half way between Walking Street and the Perimeter Bars. Not a very long walk either way but I usually opted for a trike as it was very hot in the daytime and a little sketchy after dark.
The restaurant food was OK but quite a bit pricier than at the Wild Orchid.
If I had a travel companion (female) I would probably stay here again. But for a single traveler it was a bit too much.
Makati. City Garden Grand.
I only stayed here one night. It was quite impressive and a very short walk to P. Burgos St. The room was huge, it was a deluxe king and quite reasonable for the quality and location. I swear this room had the largest bed I have ever seen in a hotel. It was at least as wide as two queen beds side-by-side and longer than a normal king. The room was quite large but no balcony. Nice roof top pool and a roof top restaurant that was a little pricey but not outrageous.
You need to swipe your card to access the room floors.
I definitely would stay here again if I am in Makati. Breakfast was not included in my rate.
Malate. Regency Grand Suites.
This is not really a hotel but a bunch of Condos managed in Birch Tower. A few companies seem to manage a select set of condos and book them out as hotel rooms. The do provide daily housekeeping. The building is definitely showing signs of wear and tear. There were the usual amenities provided and a couple of smaller, somewhat thin bath towels. They were responsive to a request for more towels.
The room was just OK. Comfortable King bed and air conditioning in the living room and the bedroom but it really didn't cool the room of very well. Breakfast was not included but was available in the little restaurant on the ground floor right by reception. Security is good and you need to swipe a card to access the elevators to the room. The pool was well shaded but the water was a bit murky. Luckily there weren't many people when I was there since they only had a few not-so-comfortable lounge chairs.
The location is great. A very short walk to Robinsons Mall and a short trike ride to The LA Cafe and the KTVs.
Of all of the hotels I stayed in this trip, this is the only one I probably wouldn't book again.
Entertainment.
As a rule, I found the Filipinas to be incredibly friendly and most spoke passable to excellent English. Quite a few of them don't even think about mentioning a condom and a couple were a bit surprised when I put one on. Even though they are obviously working to separate you from your cash, their demeanor was a lot less transactional than their counterparts in other Asian or Latin American venues. They would nurse their "lady drink" so that they finished about the same time you finished your drink, not gulp it down quickly and ask for another like many places in Thailand.
I visited many bars and I am not going to try and remember each one and comment on it. I will call out some of the more exceptional (good and bad) places I did visit.
Angeles City.
There are two main bar areas, Walking Street and Perimeter Road which is maybe 1 K up Fields Avenue.
Walking Street.
Most of the bars are gogos with a few KTVs thrown in to keep the Asian customers happy. Previous posters have pointed out that there are two types of bars, the Korean owned bars and the western owned bars. Many people diss the Korean owned places but I found really very little difference except that almost all of the Korean owned bars allow smoking inside while the western bars do not. I felt welcomed in every bar I stopped in to. A lot of the western owned bars seem to be owned by a consortium called the Wolfpack Group. They have a discount card that I believe gives you a 20% discount on your drinks and the drinks of a female companion that doesn't work in the bar. Lady Drinks not discounted.
It is also said that the Korean customers hit the bars early and barfine all of the good-looking talent. That may be partially true but I would still see stunners in the bars at night and I saw a lot of Koreans were walking around with their date of the day and those dates were for the most part nothing spectacular. It is also said that the women in a lot of the bars prefer going with Koreans over westerners. Watching the Koreans move I kind of understand why.
1) They seem to barfine them for a least the day. They are taking them to nice (er) restaurants and seem to treat them like a date or a GF.
2) I didn't see one Korean get overly drunk and obnoxious. I can't say the same for some of the westerners I saw.
3) In the bar they seem to treat the women with a little respect. I saw some western guys pretty much mauling bar girls after buying them a drink. The Koreans are a bit more laid back.
Note all of the above statements are generalizations from only 12 days of observation. I could be totally wrong.
Drink prices seemed pretty consistent with a San Miguel running p95 to p140 and lady drinks p250 to p300.
Some bars of note:
Midnight Rodeo. Not a gogo but rather a live music venue. Located just off Walking Street, down from Phillies restaurant near the Queens hotel. A very good Filipino band plays western music pretty much from the 60's, 70's and 80's. Though not a gogo you can buy drinks for and barfine most of the waitresses. The waitresses are incredibly friendly, attractive but most are probably in their 30's. Some are probably a bit older. This was probably my favorite bar to just visit and kick back. A San Miguel was p120 and I think the LDs were p250. Bar fine was p4000 but somewhat negotiable if the woman is willing to take a smaller cut.
Bacarra. A gogo on Walking Street that I visited late afternoon a couple of times. They had a pretty good daytime line-up including one absolutely gorgeous spinner. They don't really dance but just sit on stage only to get up when a new customer enters or someone calls them down for a drink. SML was p120 and LD was p250. Barfine p5000.
Champaign. Another Walking St gogo. Had a great time in this bar a couple of nights. The dancers / waitresses were for the most part pretty attractive and very friendly. Lots of customer interaction. On my second night returning to this bar the manager bought me a drink. Never had that happen before in the Philippines. Don't remember the exact drink prices but they were probably in the p120 / p250 range.
Mega Dance. This is a night club located on WS pretty much next to Phillies. I walked in about 11 pm one night and left quickly as the music was incredibly loud and annoying (to me). It was packed with women though and quite a few looked very good in the dark bar. I did talk to one woman that was outside grabbing a smoke and she was complaining that there were no guys inside, just women.
Aqua Club. On the rooftop of the ABC Hotel. I described it a bit above. Very good looking and young freelancers the two times I went up. Bring lots of cash though as these ladies looked very high-end and the drinks weren't cheap.
Perimeter Bars.
These are lower-end bars up Fields Ave from Walking St. I walked up one afternoon; it wasn't really too far but with the heat I decided to trike it from then on. Prices at these bars are much less than Walking St. San Miguels were regularly I believe p95 or so and p55 during some happy hours. LDs were p200 to p250. The women working these bars are for the most part a lot older than their Walking St counterparts though there were a few younger a good-looking one.
Most of the bars I visited were pretty similar. The customers seemed to be mostly western expats or long-term vacationers. Most served pretty decent food and one bar, Night Moves was packed around 2 pm and most folks were eating lunch.
One bar, Emotions, was only about a couple blocks away from the ABC Hotel. I stopped in one early evening and was pleasantly surprised at their lineup. Drinks were a little higher here, I think a SML was p120 and LDs were p250. Barfine was p2500 if you wanted to use a room onsite or p3000 to take them back to the hotel. I took one girl out from here and took up to the Aqua Club. She had never been there and was a little intimidated by the luxury and the hot young women running around.
And not a bar but I have to call out Al Bacio Italian Restaurant. It's very close to the ABC Hotel. It was a little on the expensive side but the pasta was outstanding. It was an elegant setting and would be a great place to take a date.
Manila Bars.
I didn't spend much time in Manila, just one night in Makati and two nights in the Malate area. In Malate I went to the LA Cafe both nights. This is a 24-hour freelancer bar. A lot of people say this place has gone downhill but I was there mid-week and it was packed both nights in the around 10 pm. There are women of all shapes / sizes and ages but I was impressed with the overall quality. The women there are pretty aggressive in that they want to negotiate a deal right off the bat. It kind of reminded me of the Blue Marlin Bar at the Hotel Del Rey in San Jose Costa Rica in its heyday. Drink prices were reasonable, I think a SML was p140. No LD prices. I was sitting at the bar with a group of women and bought a bucket of beers for p700. Take out prices varied from woman to woman. I had one stunner quote me p5000. After I walked away, she wanted to negotiate but I never go with one that I've talked down in price. Most were asking p2500 / p3000.
In Makati I stayed near the bars around P Burgos. Most of the bars are gogos and drinks are pricey and the women for the most part were pretty attractive. One bar called Fyre stood out. The lineup was outstanding, rivaling a high-end strip club in the states. And a couple of the dancers actually danced. There was one dancer that was working the stripper pole like a gymnast and I called her down to buy a drink. She was absolutely phenomenal looking. When she got to my table, she smiled and to her credit said "you do realize that lady drinks are p850". I damn near dropped my beer. I smiled at her and told her that was way out of my price range and tipped her a p200 for being honest with me. She could have milked me for a lot of cash.
Outside of the bars, the streets are lined with freelancers. All of them vying for your attention as there weren't many tourists out and about. Some of these women were quite good looking. Probably a 50/50 mix of women and ladyboys. Prices quoted from p1000 to p5000. There are short time hotels in the area with p500 rooms.
All in all, I enjoyed my stay. I will definitely return but will probably spend more time in Malate as I like freelancer bars more than gogos. I am scheduled to go to Thailand for the month of October and I had carved out 10 days to visit Cambodia and Vietnam. I just might replace that with the Philippines.I have a love / hate relationship with Aqua. I love hanging out there, but their rooms are overpriced and the jacuzzi is too damn small. The way they water down their drinks at Aqua should be illegal. I just think if I pay 400 p for a mixed drink that I should at least taste some alcohol in it.
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Perimeter Bars.
These are lower-end bars up Fields Ave from Walking St. I walked up one afternoon; it wasn't really too far but with the heat I decided to trike it from then on. Prices at these bars are much less than Walking St. San Miguels were regularly I believe p95 or so and p55 during some happy hours. LDs were p200 to p250. The women working these bars are for the most part a lot older than their Walking St counterparts though there were a few younger a good-looking one.
Most of the bars I visited were pretty similar. The customers seemed to be mostly western expats or long-term vacationers. Most served pretty decent food and one bar, Night Moves was packed around 2 pm and most folks were eating lunch.
One bar, Emotions, was only about a couple blocks away from the ABC Hotel. I stopped in one early evening and was pleasantly surprised at their lineup. Drinks were a little higher here, I think a SML was p120 and LDs were p250. Barfine was p2500 if you wanted to use a room onsite or p3000 to take them back to the hotel. I took one girl out from here and took up to the Aqua Club. She had never been there and was a little intimidated by the luxury and the hot young women running around.
And not a bar but I have to call out Al Bacio Italian Restaurant. It's very close to the ABC Hotel. It was a little on the expensive side but the pasta was outstanding. It was an elegant setting and would be a great place to take a date.
Manila Bars.
I didn't spend much time in Manila, just one night in Makati and two nights in the Malate area. In Malate I went to the LA Cafe both nights. This is a 24-hour freelancer bar. A lot of people say this place has gone downhill but I was there mid-week and it was packed both nights in the around 10 pm. There are women of all shapes / sizes and ages but I was impressed with the overall quality. The women there are pretty aggressive in that they want to negotiate a deal right off the bat. It kind of reminded me of the Blue Marlin Bar at the Hotel Del Rey in San Jose Costa Rica in its heyday. Drink prices were reasonable, I think a SML was p140. No LD prices. I was sitting at the bar with a group of women and bought a bucket of beers for p700. Take out prices varied from woman to woman. I had one stunner quote me p5000. After I walked away, she wanted to negotiate but I never go with one that I've talked down in price. Most were asking p2500 / p3000.
In Makati I stayed near the bars around P Burgos. Most of the bars are gogos and drinks are pricey and the women for the most part were pretty attractive. One bar called Fyre stood out. The lineup was outstanding, rivaling a high-end strip club in the states. And a couple of the dancers actually danced. There was one dancer that was working the stripper pole like a gymnast and I called her down to buy a drink. She was absolutely phenomenal looking. When she got to my table, she smiled and to her credit said "you do realize that lady drinks are p850". I damn near dropped my beer. I smiled at her and told her that was way out of my price range and tipped her a p200 for being honest with me. She could have milked me for a lot of cash.
Outside of the bars, the streets are lined with freelancers. All of them vying for your attention as there weren't many tourists out and about. Some of these women were quite good looking. Probably a 50/50 mix of women and ladyboys. Prices quoted from p1000 to p5000. There are short time hotels in the area with p500 rooms.
All in all, I enjoyed my stay. I will definitely return but will probably spend more time in Malate as I like freelancer bars more than gogos. I am scheduled to go to Thailand for the month of October and I had carved out 10 days to visit Cambodia and Vietnam. I just might replace that with the Philippines.When you say Barfine 2500 for Perimeter bars for example. That is literally JUST the barfine? So the girl is paid on top? Isn't that. Very expensive? So what. 2500-3000 barfine for the night + paying for the girl which is I assume between 4000-5000 at least for a young and hot one? So all in all for a hot below 25 year old that would mean 7 - 10 k on the lower end is that correct? I am just trying to get an understanding of the current pricing.
WestCoast1
05-22-24, 01:47
When you say Barfine 2500 for Perimeter bars for example. That is literally JUST the barfine? So the girl is paid on top? Isn't that. Very expensive? So what. 2500-3000 barfine for the night + paying for the girl which is I assume between 4000-5000 at least for a young and hot one? So all in all for a hot below 25 year old that would mean 7 - 10 k on the lower end is that correct? I am just trying to get an understanding of the current pricing.Its well known on the board that AC barfines are all-inclusive. No tip or payment 'on top' is done (unless you are feeling generous). You might be confusing the AC system with the Makati / Burgos or Thai gogo systems of barfine+tip. While the Burgos barfine (4 k typical) + morning tip to the girl (5 k typical) offers incentive for the girl to stay the night and complete the morning pop (hence the morning tip), the entire AC barfine is paid up-front, leaving the girl to depart early or give crappy service as she knows she will not be tipped in the morning. The Burgos system costs twice as much as AC, but almost guarantees the girl will complete the assignment to your satisfaction. The AC system costs half as much as Burgos, but you will get more crappy performers or runners. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Please RTTF.
Barney Rubber
05-22-24, 05:08
I just returned from a 2 week plus trip to the Philippines. I almost cancelled my trip as I read many reports on numerous forums from travelers complaining about the Philippines, particularly the high cost of everything, specifically company and the lack of quality. One thing I did notice about all of these posts was they were mostly from Philippines veterans with many trips, mostly pre-Covid under their belt and they were making comparisons about now versus then. Since I already had the airfare purchased and didn't want to have to try to use a future $3 K plus flight credit, I decided to go ahead and make the trip.
Since I am a relative Philippines noob only having spent 4 nights before in Angeles City in transit to Thailand, this report will focus on what I found on this trip with no comparisons to how things were (or might have been) five, ten or more years ago. I will occasionally compare things to other venues I visit frequently like Costa Rica, Thailand or the Dominican Republic. This report is mostly intended for folks that are considering heading to the Philippines for the first time or returning after a long absence.
Money
The currency is the Philippine Peso. I almost exclusively paid for things in cash and got my cash from ATMs since I have a Schwab card that refunds all ATM fees. It looked like most ATMs charged a p250 fee and most limited you to a p10 K withdrawal but you could do multiple withdrawals. One ATM I found in a 7/11 allowed p20 K. My hotels were all paid by credit card through Agoda.com in USD. Exchange booths abound in the tourist areas I visited but I didn't pay attention to the rates or fees.
On average p10000 cost me about $175. So, when I was out on the town, I was quick calculating that p100 was about $2.
Transportation.
I got a good fare on United for Polaris class. Originally my itinerary had me going direct to San Francisco from my hometown and connecting to Manila. That was one of the reasons I decided to take this trip as I had never had a one stop itinerary to SE Asia before. Well schedules changed (as always) and I ended up connecting in Denver on the outbound and Washington Dulles on the inbound. All of my connections were so tight that I didn't have the opportunity to visit any of the Polaris lounges. I hear they are great but I'll just have to assume that is the case.
The service on the flight was good and the lay flat seat was comparable to Delta One and Singapore Air. The food was decent but not as good as other trans-Pacific flights I have taken. But for the fare paid I was happy. Total 24 hours outbound and 22 return.
My first stop was Angeles City so I had to get transportation from MNL terminal 3. Everyone recommended the Genisys bus as it is super cheap but that would have required getting a taxi from around Clark Airport to my hotel in Angeles City. I knew I was going to be tired and I was landing at 6 am so I scheduled a car from Beesway. It was p3500 and he got me there in 1 HR. 20 min. Since there was very little traffic. I also used Beesway for my return back to Manila. Same price Angeles to Makati.
In town I always took a trike for short runs. P100 and Grab (like Uber) for longer trips or if I had luggage. Grab gives you a very reasonable fixed fare unlike the metered taxis.
Hotels.
My itinerary had me 12 nights in Angeles City, 1 night in Makati and 3 nights in Malate / Ermita. Note all of the hotels were guest friendly. The only one that checked ID was the Regency Grand Suites in Malate.
Angeles City. Wild Orchid Lagoon Resort.
There are two Wild Orchid hotels. The Lagoon resort is a bit more upscale with two large and well-maintained pools. There is also a swim-up bar at the pool. It is also a bit more expensive.
I liked the Wild Orchid. While the hotel is definitely showing some wear and tear, the staff was always around fixing, painting, cleaning, etc. The entire staff was incredibly friendly. I had a Lagoon Balcony room and it was pretty large. Comfortable King size bed and the AC cooled the room well even though temperatures were approaching 100 degrees F.
The location is a short walk to Walking St (Fields Ave.).
Breakfast was not included in my rate though I could get breakfast in the hotel restaurant. All of the food in the restaurant was pretty good and very reasonably priced for a hotel. I was also open 24 hours for food and drinks. I would definitely stay here again.
Angeles City. ABC Hotel.
I spent the last 4 nights in Angeles here. I had heard so much about it I wanted to see it. First thing, the rooms are pricey. I got what they call the Aqua Suite and it was huge, really more than I needed. Also, I lot of the square footage was taken up by a fancy round tub that was the size of a backyard jacuzzi but it didn't have any jets. For me this was wasted space, I never used it as there was a nice walk-in shower and I'm too old to attempt carnal activity in a bathtub. Also be advised there was no balcony. On a super positive note, the room is stocked with six, incredibly large bath towels.
There was an extensive mini-bar in the room that even include bottles of liquor and wine. If you bring company up to the room watch their consumption as the prices are pretty steep.
The main swimming pool is large and located in an open-air atrium right by the main hotel restaurant. There are also two small pools located on the roof at the Aqua Club. The Aqua Club is a nice bar area where they have different themes every night. It can get pretty lively. The first night I went up it was Ladies Night and there was a ton of incredibly young, bikini clad model types hanging around taking photos / videos of themselves, probably for their Instagram feed. They were hanging around the tables where the guys were buying bottles and shots. I'm sure they were available but probably well out of my price range.
The location is on Fields Avenue about half way between Walking Street and the Perimeter Bars. Not a very long walk either way but I usually opted for a trike as it was very hot in the daytime and a little sketchy after dark.
The restaurant food was OK but quite a bit pricier than at the Wild Orchid.
If I had a travel companion (female) I would probably stay here again. But for a single traveler it was a bit too much.
Makati. City Garden Grand.
I only stayed here one night. It was quite impressive and a very short walk to P. Burgos St. The room was huge, it was a deluxe king and quite reasonable for the quality and location. I swear this room had the largest bed I have ever seen in a hotel. It was at least as wide as two queen beds side-by-side and longer than a normal king. The room was quite large but no balcony. Nice roof top pool and a roof top restaurant that was a little pricey but not outrageous.
You need to swipe your card to access the room floors.
I definitely would stay here again if I am in Makati. Breakfast was not included in my rate.
Malate. Regency Grand Suites.
This is not really a hotel but a bunch of Condos managed in Birch Tower. A few companies seem to manage a select set of condos and book them out as hotel rooms. The do provide daily housekeeping. The building is definitely showing signs of wear and tear. There were the usual amenities provided and a couple of smaller, somewhat thin bath towels. They were responsive to a request for more towels.
The room was just OK. Comfortable King bed and air conditioning in the living room and the bedroom but it really didn't cool the room of very well. Breakfast was not included but was available in the little restaurant on the ground floor right by reception. Security is good and you need to swipe a card to access the elevators to the room. The pool was well shaded but the water was a bit murky. Luckily there weren't many people when I was there since they only had a few not-so-comfortable lounge chairs.
The location is great. A very short walk to Robinsons Mall and a short trike ride to The LA Cafe and the KTVs.
Of all of the hotels I stayed in this trip, this is the only one I probably wouldn't book again.
Entertainment.
As a rule, I found the Filipinas to be incredibly friendly and most spoke passable to excellent English. Quite a few of them don't even think about mentioning a condom and a couple were a bit surprised when I put one on. Even though they are obviously working to separate you from your cash, their demeanor was a lot less transactional than their counterparts in other Asian or Latin American venues. They would nurse their "lady drink" so that they finished about the same time you finished your drink, not gulp it down quickly and ask for another like many places in Thailand.
I visited many bars and I am not going to try and remember each one and comment on it. I will call out some of the more exceptional (good and bad) places I did visit.
Angeles City.
There are two main bar areas, Walking Street and Perimeter Road which is maybe 1 K up Fields Avenue.
Walking Street.
Most of the bars are gogos with a few KTVs thrown in to keep the Asian customers happy. Previous posters have pointed out that there are two types of bars, the Korean owned bars and the western owned bars. Many people diss the Korean owned places but I found really very little difference except that almost all of the Korean owned bars allow smoking inside while the western bars do not. I felt welcomed in every bar I stopped in to. A lot of the western owned bars seem to be owned by a consortium called the Wolfpack Group. They have a discount card that I believe gives you a 20% discount on your drinks and the drinks of a female companion that doesn't work in the bar. Lady Drinks not discounted.
It is also said that the Korean customers hit the bars early and barfine all of the good-looking talent. That may be partially true but I would still see stunners in the bars at night and I saw a lot of Koreans were walking around with their date of the day and those dates were for the most part nothing spectacular. It is also said that the women in a lot of the bars prefer going with Koreans over westerners. Watching the Koreans move I kind of understand why.
1) They seem to barfine them for a least the day. They are taking them to nice (er) restaurants and seem to treat them like a date or a GF.
2) I didn't see one Korean get overly drunk and obnoxious. I can't say the same for some of the westerners I saw.
3) In the bar they seem to treat the women with a little respect. I saw some western guys pretty much mauling bar girls after buying them a drink. The Koreans are a bit more laid back.
Note all of the above statements are generalizations from only 12 days of observation. I could be totally wrong.
Drink prices seemed pretty consistent with a San Miguel running p95 to p140 and lady drinks p250 to p300.
Some bars of note:
Midnight Rodeo. Not a gogo but rather a live music venue. Located just off Walking Street, down from Phillies restaurant near the Queens hotel. A very good Filipino band plays western music pretty much from the 60's, 70's and 80's. Though not a gogo you can buy drinks for and barfine most of the waitresses. The waitresses are incredibly friendly, attractive but most are probably in their 30's. Some are probably a bit older. This was probably my favorite bar to just visit and kick back. A San Miguel was p120 and I think the LDs were p250. Bar fine was p4000 but somewhat negotiable if the woman is willing to take a smaller cut.
Bacarra. A gogo on Walking Street that I visited late afternoon a couple of times. They had a pretty good daytime line-up including one absolutely gorgeous spinner. They don't really dance but just sit on stage only to get up when a new customer enters or someone calls them down for a drink. SML was p120 and LD was p250. Barfine p5000.
Champaign. Another Walking St gogo. Had a great time in this bar a couple of nights. The dancers / waitresses were for the most part pretty attractive and very friendly. Lots of customer interaction. On my second night returning to this bar the manager bought me a drink. Never had that happen before in the Philippines. Don't remember the exact drink prices but they were probably in the p120 / p250 range.
Mega Dance. This is a night club located on WS pretty much next to Phillies. I walked in about 11 pm one night and left quickly as the music was incredibly loud and annoying (to me). It was packed with women though and quite a few looked very good in the dark bar. I did talk to one woman that was outside grabbing a smoke and she was complaining that there were no guys inside, just women.
Aqua Club. On the rooftop of the ABC Hotel. I described it a bit above. Very good looking and young freelancers the two times I went up. Bring lots of cash though as these ladies looked very high-end and the drinks weren't cheap.
Perimeter Bars.
These are lower-end bars up Fields Ave from Walking St. I walked up one afternoon; it wasn't really too far but with the heat I decided to trike it from then on. Prices at these bars are much less than Walking St. San Miguels were regularly I believe p95 or so and p55 during some happy hours. LDs were p200 to p250. The women working these bars are for the most part a lot older than their Walking St counterparts though there were a few younger a good-looking one.
Most of the bars I visited were pretty similar. The customers seemed to be mostly western expats or long-term vacationers. Most served pretty decent food and one bar, Night Moves was packed around 2 pm and most folks were eating lunch.
One bar, Emotions, was only about a couple blocks away from the ABC Hotel. I stopped in one early evening and was pleasantly surprised at their lineup. Drinks were a little higher here, I think a SML was p120 and LDs were p250. Barfine was p2500 if you wanted to use a room onsite or p3000 to take them back to the hotel. I took one girl out from here and took up to the Aqua Club. She had never been there and was a little intimidated by the luxury and the hot young women running around.
And not a bar but I have to call out Al Bacio Italian Restaurant. It's very close to the ABC Hotel. It was a little on the expensive side but the pasta was outstanding. It was an elegant setting and would be a great place to take a date.
Manila Bars.
I didn't spend much time in Manila, just one night in Makati and two nights in the Malate area. In Malate I went to the LA Cafe both nights. This is a 24-hour freelancer bar. A lot of people say this place has gone downhill but I was there mid-week and it was packed both nights in the around 10 pm. There are women of all shapes / sizes and ages but I was impressed with the overall quality. The women there are pretty aggressive in that they want to negotiate a deal right off the bat. It kind of reminded me of the Blue Marlin Bar at the Hotel Del Rey in San Jose Costa Rica in its heyday. Drink prices were reasonable, I think a SML was p140. No LD prices. I was sitting at the bar with a group of women and bought a bucket of beers for p700. Take out prices varied from woman to woman. I had one stunner quote me p5000. After I walked away, she wanted to negotiate but I never go with one that I've talked down in price. Most were asking p2500 / p3000.
In Makati I stayed near the bars around P Burgos. Most of the bars are gogos and drinks are pricey and the women for the most part were pretty attractive. One bar called Fyre stood out. The lineup was outstanding, rivaling a high-end strip club in the states. And a couple of the dancers actually danced. There was one dancer that was working the stripper pole like a gymnast and I called her down to buy a drink. She was absolutely phenomenal looking. When she got to my table, she smiled and to her credit said "you do realize that lady drinks are p850". I damn near dropped my beer. I smiled at her and told her that was way out of my price range and tipped her a p200 for being honest with me. She could have milked me for a lot of cash.
Outside of the bars, the streets are lined with freelancers. All of them vying for your attention as there weren't many tourists out and about. Some of these women were quite good looking. Probably a 50/50 mix of women and ladyboys. Prices quoted from p1000 to p5000. There are short time hotels in the area with p500 rooms.
All in all, I enjoyed my stay. I will definitely return but will probably spend more time in Malate as I like freelancer bars more than gogos. I am scheduled to go to Thailand for the month of October and I had carved out 10 days to visit Cambodia and Vietnam. I just might replace that with the Philippines.Haven't posted here in a long time and haven't seen a report as thorough and comprehensive as yours! I spend a lot of time in AC and your report was VERY helpful! You helped me avoid a couple mistakes! THANKS!
How much would it cost to BF them for short-term?Last year when the barfine was 5000 at Dragon and XS, the short time barfine was 4000.
Somebody is reporting the barfine is 6000 at XS? Then short time barfine probably will be higher at XS.
If the top club raises their barfines, it means that others will follow soon. Maybe by this coming Christmas.
Hi Arnold, whilst I don't do the massage scene, most guys report on here that they're not exactly worthwhile or indeed like Thailand. There's a bar on Blow Row that is not your typical go-go bar called Roelgeorge (formerly Flaming Bar) that might be worth a try. Last time I was there a few months ago, they were mainly older girls, but extremely good at their job. I usually just swap WhatsApp details with them for hook-ups at your hotel.
I also hit-up the hotel security guys, taxi drivers or any local targets and just ask the question, "Where can I find a nice pretty girl around here?" Sounds like a stupid question in AC but usually within half an hour I'll have some talent in my room.
So to conclude, my experience has been that there's no need to rely on the go-gos or clubs to hook up. Hope this helps. Phil.That is indeed helpful, thank you Philjoy.
Its well known on the board that AC barfines are all-inclusive. No tip or payment 'on top' is done (unless you are feeling generous). You might be confusing the AC system with the Makati / Burgos or Thai gogo systems of barfine+tip. While the Burgos barfine (4 k typical) + morning tip to the girl (5 k typical) offers incentive for the girl to stay the night and complete the morning pop (hence the morning tip), the entire AC barfine is paid up-front, leaving the girl to depart early or give crappy service as she knows she will not be tipped in the morning. The Burgos system costs twice as much as AC, but almost guarantees the girl will complete the assignment to your satisfaction. The AC system costs half as much as Burgos, but you will get more crappy performers or runners. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Please RTTF.Thanks so much Westie for the clarification. Not so much for me, but for new visitors. I now have most of my contacts lined up in advance from previous visits for a work trip and it's purely an arrangement between the girl and me. For the prices you quote, that's really pricey now for the Philippines compared to a few years ago. And if you're getting a shitty experience from the girl on the night that you've bar-fined, you've probably dropped a fair bit of cash for what you could get 'at home' . And if they're two week warriors, that makes for a costly holiday / vacation. From my experience, deal with a girl directly and cut out the middle man. Just my experience. Phil.
WestCoast1
05-22-24, 18:05
Last year when the barfine was 5000 at Dragon and XS, the short time barfine was 4000.
Somebody is reporting the barfine is 6000 at XS? Then short time barfine probably will be higher at XS.
If the top club raises their barfines, it means that others will follow soon. Maybe by this coming Christmas.I think that I reported last year that XS had a multi-tiered BF system, with 4 tiers. I think it was p4 k, 5 k, 6 k, and 7 k. It was so confusing that a gogo girl sitting with me refused to answer me when I inquired as to the barfine amount. She also refused to tell me HER barfine amount. She insisted that we call a mama to ask. We did, and the mama was almost as confusing to me as the girl had been. I pointed to the original girl and asked how much her BF amount was. "Not sure. I can check". How much is that girl over there? "Not sure and I can check for you if you want her". How is it that a mama doesn't know the specific barfine amounts? How is it that the girl doesn't know her barfine amount? "You must ask mama each girl". So you know this girl's BF amount, or not? "Not. Are you interest to barfine this one now?" No, just curious, so I can decide if I have the budget for her. "If you're interest to barfine here then I will tell". AHhhhhhhhhh! "Each mama knows of her girl's barfine. Any mama can check any girl's barfine in the office". She was as evasive as can be. Don't you assign the barfine amount based on category? Black-tape girls, evening gown models, dancers, and such? "No". F*ck! That's not confusing at all. I departed with the feeling that each mama had assigned each of her girls a different BF amount, based on WHATEVER.
Another night I asked a waitress the barfine amount and she also refused to tell me anything. She insisted that we call a mama, and this second mama was also somewhat evasive. I remember asking at the time, in my report here, for someone with boots on the ground, anyone, to just walk into XS and ask the barfine amount (s), without barfining. That was around October, and things change. Some gents have since reported their barfine from XS. If anyone can get clarification on their multi-tiered system, that would be great for arriving gents.
I just returned from a 2 week plus trip to the Philippines.Thank you for your very thorough trip report.
I am currently RTFF and your report was very useful!
LoveItHere
05-23-24, 09:50
Another night I asked a waitress the barfine amount and she also refused to tell me anything. She insisted that we call a mama, and this second mama was also somewhat evasive. I remember asking at the time, in my report here, for someone with boots on the ground, anyone, to just walk into XS and ask the barfine amount (s), without barfining. That was around October, and things change. Some gents have since reported their barfine from XS. If anyone can get clarification on their multi-tiered system, that would be great for arriving gents.4 months ago I asked just for shits and giggles because I knew I would never pay their prices but so very curious. I had the same response. As you can guess they need time to rate you. Does the girl like you? Do you buy lots of drinks? What country are you from? What hotel are you staying at? You want an eating and drinking companion? Smash in the bed all night long? ST or LT? Are you new or old to the game (are you clueless or a pro)? The list goes on forever now. In the past you interviewed the girls now they interview you. Koreans magically put the girls in the drivers seat and they can not drive. Oh, and your interview means nothing because the girls can walk at any time and there is nothing you, the mamasan, or bar can do about it. I am shocked that 10 years ago I wanted to retire in AC. Now I hate it. The bar girls are far more of a pain in the ass than the street girls are now. I do have to return later this year. There are some waterfalls I wanted to visit north of there and Clark is the nearest airport. While there I will walk the streets and cry about the good old days. In 10 years I have seen single to now 4 levels of pricing. Seriously, in a few years they may have 5 or 6 levels of girl pricing.
That is indeed helpful, thank you Philjoy.Not a problem Arnold. I'm only in AC infrequently for work but that's my experience. There's a lot of more experienced members here like Westie & G who offer some great details about AC and the PH scene in general. Everyone is their own and I don't do the typical go-go bar scene. Having said that, thinking outside (and inside) the box has always worked wonders for me. And that's without wasting hours online on dating sites. When you find some talent, infrequently keep in touch with them and then you're all set for your next trip, as opposed to be on the search again and wasting time. Just my experience. Phil.
....Oh, and your interview means nothing because the girls can walk at any time and there is nothing you, the mamasan, or bar can do about it...In AC, the power balance has definitely shifted to the girls. Guys can't complain or there are a million others in line who will do as they ask. Mamas and Bars can't discipline the girls or she will just go elsewhere. Shit, with all the online, Sugar daddy, VCS options, we are lucky any girls actually show up at all.
Just look at all the disincentives to giving good, well priced service over the years. Almost death by a thousand cuts: discount airfares allowing thousands of guys to arrive vs a few servicemen or expats; middle class jobs being generated that give girls and option beyond working on her back; the yellow invasion where the priority is impressing others rather than service received; legislators and officials no longer prepared to look the other way. Of course, the biggest change has been a little thing called the internet. Why work in a bar at all when you can stay at home and have simps and Daddies sending you cash, often with out even meeting let alone sucking 70 yo dick.
The solutions? Simple really: either change with the times and go online or go to where the good ol days still exist*, the provinces. There are no tourist packages, job opportunities, 5 star facilities there. Only girls happy to make the most of any opportunity.
Cheers. G.
PS * or, 3/. accept reality, pay the new prices, roll the dice and see what you win.
Apprenticed
05-23-24, 19:10
The bar girls are far more of a pain in the ass than the street girls are now. Are there reasonably good looking street girls? How much could I expect the price to be for those girls to stay long time?
Threadbare
05-23-24, 22:00
Are there places in the provinces where we can find how Angeles used to be 15 or 20 years ago? I would like to go back to those times. Where could you suggest to visit like this?
In AC, the power balance has definitely shifted to the girls. Guys can't complain or there are a million others in line who will do as they ask. Mamas and Bars can't discipline the girls or she will just go elsewhere. Shit, with all the online, Sugar daddy, VCS options, we are lucky any girls actually show up at all.
Just look at all the disincentives to giving good, well priced service over the years. Almost death by a thousand cuts: discount airfares allowing thousands of guys to arrive vs a few servicemen or expats; middle class jobs being generated that give girls and option beyond working on her back; the yellow invasion where the priority is impressing others rather than service received; legislators and officials no longer prepared to look the other way. Of course, the biggest change has been a little thing called the internet. Why work in a bar at all when you can stay at home and have simps and Daddies sending you cash, often with out even meeting let alone sucking 70 yo dick.
The solutions? Simple really: either change with the times and go online or go to where the good ol days still exist*, the provinces. There are no tourist packages, job opportunities, 5 star facilities there. Only girls happy to make the most of any opportunity.
Cheers. G.
PS * or, 3/. accept reality, pay the new prices, roll the dice and see what you win.
WestCoast1
05-24-24, 00:40
Are there places in the provinces where we can find how Angeles used to be 15 or 20 years ago? I would like to go back to those times. Where could you suggest to visit like this?Not really. Many provincial towns have a small set of crappy gogo bars, but nothing like the AC of yesteryear. I find that many of those small town gogos are full of fuglies, and are over-priced at that.
Others weigh in.
ThatGuy101
05-24-24, 07:50
First time Asia! This helped site helped me begin my journey into DR back in 2017 I'm hoping the Asia treads are just as nice! Been reading lots of Asia forums recently got a trip planned so Manila seems like a waste of time the dudes their are smoking something seen posts saying they pay chicks 5,000 peso to take them to dinner than another 5-6 k to have fun in the hotel that's wild. Never in my life would I pay 200 $ in a third world country hell the flights a few g to come here you 'the expect the girls to be cheap. Reason why I want to come to angeles seem like the OG here have a good grip on the game not paying that crazy prices. So in the Manila tread they even say they have to pay 4-5 k bar fine than they also have to pay the girl another 5 k I'm from Canada so it's 100 = 3900 peso at our best exchange rate place in town which would = to 255 $ that's insane I'm hoping to know does angles bar fee include the price of the girls and does she always want extra 5 K? (sorry back in DR you can get the baddest Latina chick in the bar every guy wants for 100 bucks easy and she might even come down abit off her price) so me hearing dude paying 10 k is crazy to me hopefully someone OG can share some wisdom with me. I think of it like this whenever someone helps a new guy from raising the prices it helps all of us in the long run.
ThatGuy101
05-24-24, 08:15
Posted a report didn't get upload it looks like so I'll repost people in Manila are saying they are paying chicks 5 k to hangout with them and than another 5 k to have fun in the hotel with them than they also say they have to pay 4-5 k bar fine and than the chicks wants money on top of that usually the same amount which is crazy that's like 22-250 CAD I'm wondering in angles does the bar fine also including the service with the girl or does she want extra money for services after you have bar fined her? Obviously I'm new the Asia forums my first time going got it booked and don't want to be messing up prices for anyone else so a quick reply would help everyone out and what should be expected to pay for ST / LT?
LoveItHere
05-24-24, 09:29
Are there reasonably good looking street girls? How much could I expect the price to be for those girls to stay long time?The street girl scene is 70% gone from 10 years ago. They are harder to find because they have to keep on moving / walking. The girls told me the Korean bar owners get the police to run them off and tell the girls if they want to work they need to work in the bars. So if you see one or one you think is a street girl just follow her down the road for 10 minutes. If she stops a lot and looks like she is waiting or looking for someone that someone might be you. A customer. The few that remain are almost all in front of Phillies, Envy, and Mega Dance. Many get a drink and sit up front at Envy or Phillies and sip it for hours waiting for a customer to walk by. You can catch some going into or leaving Mega Dance and Hammer. The police run the girls off in spurts so sometimes there are hardly none out at all. In the past you could plan on a 2 week vacation and just take street girls but now that would be near impossible unless you have low quality standards. I paid 1500 p but I did not negotiate. The lowest you could possibly get is 1000 p. All night I have no idea and would never do that with a street girl unless I knew her for many weeks. Setups from the girls with police were somewhat popular in the past but it seems as if the girls and police do not work together anymore.
Lucifier. Seems they don't hire foreigner manager to control their staff here, be careful visiting this place. Things got out of control, bouncers wanted to fight and mamasan screaming over nothing. A foreigner manager would have shut it all down as not an issue. But the Filipinos are very hot headed when left to their own so watch out for this place if you drink too much or get out of their favor. This is why foreigner managers are hired. To prevent the hot headed reaction Filipinos tend to have. Last thing you want on a vacation is for the cops to show up. When a bar can't control their staff and mamasan and look for a fight. Yes an actual fight. Come outside now and I'll show you who's boss type of fight. Then you have to take a step back and realize other bars are better options.
Be safe out there guys, last thing you want is to have trouble over nothing. Look for the clubs with a manager present.
Are there places in the provinces where we can find how Angeles used to be 15 or 20 years ago? I would like to go back to those times. Where could you suggest to visit like this?Provincial areas like Angeles?? Subic and Sabang both have door to door bars (though much fewer). No where has the cheap fun party atmosphere of 20 years ago. Those days are long gone.
The provinces do have girls without attitude, Jolliebellies exorbitant prices etc and are just generally much nicer areas than Angeles.
Enjoy. G.
Not really. Many provincial towns have a small set of crappy gogo bars, but nothing like the AC of yesteryear. I find that many of those small town gogos are full of fuglies, and are over-priced at that.
Others weigh in.Also, it may not be such a good idea for the only white guy in a bar full of pinoys to go buying drinks for the one looker there .
...So in the Manila tread they even say they have to pay 4-5 k bar fine than they also have to pay the girl another 5 k ...
Posted a report didn't get upload it looks like so I'll repost people in Manila are saying they are paying chicks 5 k to hangout with them and than another 5 k to have fun in the hotel with them than they also say they have to pay 4-5 k bar fine and than the chicks wants money on top of that usually the same amount which is crazy that's like 22-250 CAD I'm wondering in angles does the bar fine also including the service with the girl or does she want extra money for services after you have bar fined her? You have mixed up a few different markets.
Girls in Manila come at wildly varying prices. I'm talking 800 p for a girl on an over pass to 20 k+ for someone who sees herself as prime quality. We may say they are delusional but its not unusual to find girls sticking to these prices as she only needs one simp a month to still make great money.
Sugar Daddies might fall in love and pay your quoted 5 k to meet, then 5 to 10 k per night on top of this for for extras. Burgos caters to visiting businessmen. Its the most expensive area in manila outside high end KTVs and is 3900 barfine plus 4-6 k tip paid direct to the girl. Yes, it will be a $200+ night with drinks etc. LA Cafe or online might be 2-4 k. A rough street walker, 1-2 k and a horror down a dark alley, 800. As I said, a very wide range.
AC barfines are 3-6 k, paid 100% upfront before leaving the bar and include the girls' fee. On the street or online might be 1. 5-4 k.
Pick the price, beauty, convenience trade off that suits you. Everyone is different.
Note that many guys say that a high price does not guarantee good performance.
Enjoy. G.
ThatGuy101
05-24-24, 19:28
Thanks brotha! Love that reply makes a lot of sense exactly the point the simps that are willing to pay a chick 200 $ plus she'll hold out for him than she'll go and tell all her friend well this is what I'm getting paid and they will expect the same amount because her friends / co worker are getting that. Also heard a lot of bars only want to carter now to the Koreans are they will pay higher prices I even seen an expat living there for years walking past few bars and the some girls didn't even give him attention they were only waiting for the Koreans to come. I think I'll be posted in angles city as prices seem pretty reasonable and I heard everyone talking about AC what's the full name of the bar? Sounds like a stupid question but I can't find anything.
ThatGuy101
05-24-24, 19:40
Ahh you prob been AC as angels city I thought there was a bar in Angeles city called AC so never mind that stupid question.
WestCoast1
05-24-24, 21:12
When you say Barfine 2500 for Perimeter bars for example. That is literally JUST the barfine? So the girl is paid on top? Isn't that. Very expensive? So what. 2500-3000 barfine for the night + paying for the girl which is I assume between 4000-5000 at least for a young and hot one? So all in all for a hot below 25 year old that would mean 7 - 10 k on the lower end is that correct? I am just trying to get an understanding of the current pricing.
Its well known on the board that AC barfines are all-inclusive. No tip or payment 'on top' is done (unless you are feeling generous). You might be confusing the AC system with the Makati / Burgos or Thai gogo systems of barfine+tip. While the Burgos barfine (4 k typical) + morning tip to the girl (5 k typical) offers incentive for the girl to stay the night and complete the morning pop (hence the morning tip), the entire AC barfine is paid up-front, leaving the girl to depart early or give crappy service as she knows she will not be tipped in the morning. The Burgos system costs twice as much as AC, but almost guarantees the girl will complete the assignment to your satisfaction. The AC system costs half as much as Burgos, but you will get more crappy performers or runners. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Please RTTF.
Posted a report didn't get upload it looks like so I'll repost people in Manila are saying they are paying chicks 5 k to hangout with them and than another 5 k to have fun in the hotel with them than they also say they have to pay 4-5 k bar fine and than the chicks wants money on top of that usually the same amount which is crazy that's like 22-250 CAD I'm wondering in angles does the bar fine also including the service with the girl or does she want extra money for services after you have bar fined her? Obviously I'm new the Asia forums my first time going got it booked and don't want to be messing up prices for anyone else so a quick reply would help everyone out and what should be expected to pay for ST / LT?Serious failure to RTFF. The two posts above (Argo and mine) describe the situation from just one page (and less than 2 weeks) back.
Go is correct, you are mixing up the AC market (one all-inclusive price of barfine only, paid before departing the bar, and nothing to the girl after; total about p5000) and the Burgos / Makati market (two prices: a barfine paid to the bar before departure with your honey, + a pre-negotiated tip you pay to the girl upon her departure the following morning; total about p10,000).
$255 for a Burgos girl is not insane. While 3rd world countries offer hotties for much lower prices, the Burgos market is the Burgos market. Burgos prices have stayed at the same level, even after covid, for a dozen years; zero inflation). A girl in AC will run you $75 - $100 USD (a near-doubling of prices since pre-covid). Girls can be had for less than that, but in other markets (SW comes to mind). Keep in mind that NCR high-end girls (and in every big city in the world) can go for $ multiples of the Burgos girls, but they are not available on the open market. And there are other markets you might want to consider. With all of this in mind, its possible you want to consider another country (Thailand, DR, and Columbia come to mind).
Please, read back 20 or so pages in the thread for each city / area that you want to visit on this Board. Alternately contact member Wicked Roger in PM; he is very knowledgeable.
Locamotive
05-24-24, 21:52
Serious failure to RTFF. The two posts above (Argo and mine) describe the situation from just one page (and less than 2 weeks) back.
Go is correct, you are mixing up the AC market (one all-inclusive price of barfine only, paid before departing the bar, and nothing to the girl after; total about p5000) and the Burgos / Makati market (two prices: a barfine paid to the bar before departure with your honey, + a pre-negotiated tip you pay to the girl upon her departure the following morning; total about p10,000).
$255 for a Burgos girl is not insane. While 3rd world countries offer hotties for much lower prices, the Burgos market is the Burgos market. Burgos prices have stayed at the same level, even after covid, for a dozen years; zero inflation). A girl in AC will run you $75 - $100 USD (a near-doubling of prices since pre-covid). Girls can be had for less than that, but in other markets (SW comes to mind). Keep in mind that NCR high-end girls (and in every big city in the world) can go for $ multiples of the Burgos girls, but they are not available on the open market. And there are other markets you might want to consider. With all of this in mind, its possible you want to consider another country (Thailand, DR, and Columbia come to mind).
Please, read back 20 or so pages in the thread for each city / area that you want to visit on this Board. Alternately contact member Wicked Roger in PM; he is very knowledgeable.$200 seems about right especially in Makati (Burgos). $4 k barfine and girl is usually 5 k that's 9 k and a bit for drinks if you don't stay too long. $255 could be true if you stay and party a bit. The 5 k for girl seems to be about standard now, how long they stay depends. If she really likes you all night is possible, if she don't that's ST. Looks can matter too, a smoker ST may be all you get. I know a real beauty I've seen a few times and I get 5 k as she knows me usually all night but not always. She told be last trip I got to go early high roller coming tomorrow taking me to Boracay for 5 days,20 k a day. WOW! Good for you, but as with anything they can at times get allot for their services. She is hot and a good lay so this does not surprise me. Still coming from US $255 is still a bargin, as I rarely even see girls like her in US and I travel allot. A working girl here of her quality certainly would not be $255,not even close.
NapaSlapper
05-25-24, 01:43
Vikings bar still remains locked after the raid some weeks ago, many of the girls have moved on to other bars, saw some of them in shooters bar and geckos bar.
The town over the last couple of weeks has been very quiet to say the least, very very few western tourists and even though the Asian punter numbers have gone down too the Asians are still by far the dominant force by a long way.
Prices keep on going one way and that is up, many many below average, older plain janes are demanding 5 and 6 thousand pesos short time 1 pop, some earlier posters were saying that there is only 1 price barfine now in many bars and that is true, long time barfines are indeed a thing of the past it seems.
Drinks only girls, Asian only girls, early runners, Cherrie girls and I don't give blow job girls are to be found in most bars in high numbers, it seems that bar girls rule the roost, they do what they want when they want, seems management and mamas have given up with rules and just let the girls dictate their terms.
New bar has opened up on walking street called Madonna bar, its had lots of money spent on it and is still a work in progress but opening up as is to get some pesos back, prices seem high for punter drinks, think it was 150 or 160 pesos for sml from recollection, girl drinks 400 peso, barfines from memory started at 6,000 peso, ill head in again over the weekend and double check the prices to be sure, some ok looking girls (not stunners) seemed busy with koreans, not sure if the owners are koreans but they sure had a korean manager, I was the only westerner when there, over all a nice big bar, prices seem excessive though.
..She told be last trip I got to go early high roller coming tomorrow taking me to Boracay for 5 days,20 k a day. WOW! Good for you, but as with anything they can at times get allot for their services...
..barfines from memory STARTED* at 6,000 peso....So my offers of 1 k for a night of suckie fuckie might be out of the question?? 😳.
All jokes aside, we have concentrated on girls' prices and how outrageous they are to us mere mortals. However, many mongers are flush with cash and a couple of $'000 is nothing. Paying big dollar amounts is one thing but I've also seen guys shut doors in bars (ie barfine every girl present) for private parties and fly favourite girls to god knows where.
I'm not jealous, really I'm not. 🤬.
Enjoy. G.
*my emphasis.
Thanks brotha! Love that reply makes a lot of sense exactly the point the simps that are willing to pay a chick 200 $ plus she'll hold out for him than she'll go and tell all her friend well this is what I'm getting paid and they will expect the same amount because her friends / co worker are getting that. Also heard a lot of bars only want to carter now to the Koreans are they will pay higher prices I even seen an expat living there for years walking past few bars and the some girls didn't even give him attention they were only waiting for the Koreans to come. I think I'll be posted in angles city as prices seem pretty reasonable and I heard everyone talking about AC what's the full name of the bar? Sounds like a stupid question but I can't find anything.Just for the record, you absolutely don't have to rely on bars in angeles or P. Burgos (makati) for girls. P Burgos specifically caters to corporate clients and embassy workers who live and work nearby, has been their market for decades as W said. Burgos bars are fun if you have corporate card to use or you're in town for a night or two. AC bars are fun and will continue to have defenders to the death on this forum and others. Same can be said for LA Cafe (but no defenders LOL).
But the truth in the matter is, the above listed options are way overpriced for what you get. Some people are happy with that, others not so much. The true beauty of the Philippines is the plethora of regular girls who aren't in bars, in their youthful and sexual primes, who are still ready, willing and eager to get some paid or free fun. You don't have to pay these girls $200 and above, though some will ask. Most will be happy with 2-3 k pesos (angeles) to 5 k-6 k pesos (Manila, though many Manila girls will be happy with 3 k as well) for all night.
RTFF, you'll know where to find these golden freelancers and semi-pros.
ThatGuy101
05-25-24, 09:39
Just for the record, you absolutely don't have to rely on bars in angeles or P. Burgos (makati) for girls. P Burgos specifically caters to corporate clients and embassy workers who live and work nearby, has been their market for decades as W said. Burgos bars are fun if you have corporate card to use or you're in town for a night or two. AC bars are fun and will continue to have defenders to the death on this forum and others. Same can be said for LA Cafe (but no defenders LOL).
But the truth in the matter is, the above listed options are way overpriced for what you get. Some people are happy with that, others not so much. The true beauty of the Philippines is the plethora of regular girls who aren't in bars, in their youthful and sexual primes, who are still ready, willing and eager to get some paid or free fun. You don't have to pay these girls $200 and above, though some will ask. Most will be happy with 2-3 k pesos (angeles) to 5 k-6 k pesos (Manila, though many Manila girls will be happy with 3 k as well) for all night.
RTFF, you'll know where to find these golden freelancers and semi-pros.I appreciate the info really do! I've been in Dr for last 7 years so not sure how things works in Asia want to get info before boots on the ground don't want to mess it up for everyone else while over paying which is no fun for anyone just not use to those prices 255 $ cad Haley to see that's not always the case seeing the Manila forums and YouTube videos of them only cater to Korean really turned me off but that's why I am here tryna get the most education before boots on the ground I appreciate you guys taking the time to help me and all the newbies in Asia! I know Dr no bar fine just straight fun 60-80 cad bucks Asia little different but I'm sure I'll adjust quick same game different hustle.
I appreciate the info really do! I've been in Dr for last 7 years so not sure how things works in Asia want to get info before boots on the ground don't want to mess it up for everyone else while over paying which is no fun for anyone just not use to those prices 255 $ cad Haley to see that's not always the case seeing the Manila forums and YouTube videos of them only cater to Korean really turned me off but that's why I am here tryna get the most education before boots on the ground I appreciate you guys taking the time to help me and all the newbies in Asia! I know Dr no bar fine just straight fun 60-80 cad bucks Asia little different but I'm sure I'll adjust quick same game different hustle.Don't worry, there isn't one man let alone a group of guys that can ruin or make a market. A few dicks are not going to do anything.
Go have fun.
FuriousGeorge
05-25-24, 20:35
Doesn't look too dead. And this dude at the 5:14 mark is going to have quite a night. Wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0fGL4WtwQI
NapaSlapper
05-26-24, 10:39
Doesn't look too dead. And this dude at the 5:14 mark is going to have quite a night. Wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0fGL4WtwQIAs with many youtube videos the actual date of shooting the footage is mostly not know, many youtube footage can be shot weeks, months, years before being posted, so in truth might not paint an up to date image.
Yesterday (25,5,24) nights angeles barhop was probably the quietest I have ever seen angeles for punter numbers and girl numbers in all my almost 3 decades here and that's a Saturday which should be the busiest night of the week.
Seems many punters have voted with their feet not to visit angeles, put that down to high air fares or the high price of lady drinks, high barfines that are fully paid in advance with no returns or the princess atitude and racism amongst the very few girls that are passable in looks and body.
Many moons ago every bar in angeles had mostly very fuckable girls in spades, now one has to pop ones head into multiple bars before seeing a girl worth stopping in for a drink in that bar, it is what it is unfortunately.
Are there reasonably good looking street girls? How much could I expect the price to be for those girls to stay long time?The street girls from my experience are hit a bit and miss. Definitely cheaper than the bar girls and lots of money to be saved without paying bar fines, mamas and the barman putting his hand out too. I've had some great streeties, but some demand inflated prices. If you politely decline and start walking, the price generally drops very suddenly. Average rate I've paid recently is 1 k for a BJ and 3 k for a couple of hours of action. Just be careful when your leaving a bar late at night with a belly full of alcohol that the streetie you're negotiating with doesn't have a pair of knackers under that mini-skirt _ Phil.
The true beauty of the Philippines is the plethora of regular girls who aren't in bars, in their youthful and sexual primes, who are still ready, willing and eager to get some paid or free fun. You don't have to pay these girls $200 and above, though some will ask. Most will be happy with 2-3 k pesos (angeles) to 5 k-6 k pesos (Manila, though many Manila girls will be happy with 3 k as well) for all night.
Absolutely agree Rain Man. One strategy that's worked well for me is to visit a regular bar and get somewhat friendly with the bar staff. Although they probably have to work well into tomorrow, offer to take one of them to lunch the next day. I'll cost you very little for the feed, and on average, 75% have ended up in the sack at my room straight afterwards. The average 'tip' I give them is 1-2 K but they know they're going to get repeat business.
Just a tip. Quite a number of times I've had girls tell me I smell nice. When prompted, they've told me that foreigners generally smell a bit iffy or are a bit lazy when it comes to deodorant use. You don't have to dress up in three piece suit, but looking somewhat respectable and following basic hygiene practices gets noted. I've seen some guys walking the streets and thought "Fuck, I feel sorry for the poor girl who has to do him tonight" _ Phil.
As with many youtube videos the actual date of shooting the footage is mostly not know, many youtube footage can be shot weeks, months, years before being posted, so in truth might not paint an up to date image.Or you can use some brains. It's somewhat recent.
Vikings is closed. That club across Royal Amsterdam seems to be open. When did that open; they were doing construction work in January. Couple of other details that I doubt you would know since you would have to be actually there.
Or you can use some brains. It's somewhat recent.
Vikings is closed. That club across Royal Amsterdam seems to be open. When did that open; they were doing construction work in January. Couple of other details that I doubt you would know since you would have to be actually there.NoSherlock there. All in the details or lack of it. AC still has value.
The street girls from my experience are hit a bit and miss...Punters just need to be a little cautious. Some girls are working alone because they prefer the freedom, not splitting the money etc. However, some can't go back to the bars for a reason: commonly, drugs and too many complaints.
Seems many punters have voted with their feet not to visit angeles, put that down to high air fares or the high price of lady drinks, high barfines that are fully paid in advance with no returns or the princess atitude and racism amongst the very few girls that are passable in looks and body.
Many snow birds follow low seasons and would see that as a positive. Less competition, lower prices and more choices. Of course, it only applies to guys who don't rely 100% on barfines.
Years ago, I made the mistake of arriving in a town mid-fiesta. I was fortunate enough to have a mariachi band truck parked right out my window. Since then, I've never been a fan of chasing peak season and crowds.
Pattaya during Songkran also comes to mind. Give me low season any time.
Enjoy. G.
Just for the record, you absolutely don't have to rely on bars in angeles or P. Burgos (makati) for girls. P Burgos specifically caters to corporate clients and embassy workers who live and work nearby, has been their market for decades as W said. Burgos bars are fun if you have corporate card to use or you're in town for a night or two. AC bars are fun and will continue to have defenders to the death on this forum and others. Same can be said for LA Cafe (but no defenders LOL).
But the truth in the matter is, the above listed options are way overpriced for what you get. Some people are happy with that, others not so much. The true beauty of the Philippines is the plethora of regular girls who aren't in bars, in their youthful and sexual primes, who are still ready, willing and eager to get some paid or free fun. You don't have to pay these girls $200 and above, though some will ask. Most will be happy with 2-3 k pesos (angeles) to 5 k-6 k pesos (Manila, though many Manila girls will be happy with 3 k as well) for all night.
RTFF, you'll know where to find these golden freelancers and semi-pros.Absolutely agree. Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. However, in the "old days" it was more of a package vacation. I could enjoy the bars, the girls, the banter, and essentially enjoy the experience. Now it's more of Facebook introductions and networking, meeting at the hotel for boom-boom, and then good bye. I may need to re-visit my old stomping grounds in Barrio Barretto to see if its any different.
However, in the "old days" it was more of a package vacation. I could enjoy the bars, the girls, the banter, and essentially enjoy the experience. Now it's more of Facebook introductions and networking, meeting at the hotel for boom-boom, and then good bye. I may need to re-visit my old stomping grounds in Barrio Barretto to see if its any different.Agree. Good times are still available outside the bars but I also miss groups of guys and a pack of girls roaming bar to bar then returning to the room (s), pools etc.
Unfortunately, you may be disappointed by the BB bars. They too have gone the way of AC. Lots of fun to be had outside and online though.
Enjoy. G.
Doesn't look too dead. And this dude at the 5:14 mark is going to have quite a night. Wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0fGL4WtwQIBig girl in red at the 6:12 mark must be from the USA. Sad.
Just wondering which airlines fly from LA or San Fran direct to Clark? Would save a few hours travel time. Which is most economical, if there is such a thing?
Just wondering which airlines fly from LA or San Fran direct to Clark?None.
Which is most economical, if there is such a thing?One option is to fly into Clark with EVA with a layover in Taipei. You can check your options with a website such as kayak.com. Then I normally book directly with the airline to get seat options and better customer service, depending on the price difference. But from LAX, you will actually save time if you fly direct with PAL to Manila, and then take a private taxi or the shuttle to Angeles; this will cost more.
A very good website to check what direct flights lands in any airport in the world is: https://www.flightsfrom.com/.
FlagRunner77
05-27-24, 13:30
I've just arrived for a quick two days (first time) before Pattaya. Staying at Valentinos. I wondered if anyone was around? I'm exploring WS tonight and most of tomorrow.
Let me know!
Punters just need to be a little cautious. Some girls are working alone because they prefer the freedom, not splitting the money etc. However, some can't go back to the bars for a reason: commonly, drugs and too many complaints.Absolutely agree G. The streeties are on the lower step of the ladder but I've had a few great ones and flicked hundreds away. I've kept the contact details of the great ones (most work in department stores during the day) and are looking for some extra cash and are great in the sack. But there's some very dodgy ones out there. Caution is agreed, but try telling that to a lot of blokes late at night with a lot of alcohol in the system. You might get lucky, but you might also regret it afterwards. Just my experience. Phil.
A very good website to check what direct flights lands in any airport in the world is: https://www.flightsfrom.com/.The Wikipedia of any airport also lists "Flights and Destinations" which gives all the destinations of each carrier.
For layover flights, good old Google Flights works well. You get carrier, flight times, layover location and times. Best of all you also get a quick scan of approximate costs each day so can see that Tuesday is half the price of Saturday or that a particular period is holiday high season.
I also book direct with the airlines rather than aggregators, travel agencies etc: often they have the cheapest discount seats and are far easier to deal with for changes and cancellations. This is especially true for discount airlines where timetables seem to be only a rough indication of when you will actually take off.
Locamotive
05-27-24, 18:44
Big girl in red at the 6:12 mark must be from the USA. Sad.The exact reason I get out of here every chance I get. Ask her though she'll swear she is a 9 or 10. US women are delusional.
Locamotive
05-27-24, 18:56
Punters just need to be a little cautious. Some girls are working alone because they prefer the freedom, not splitting the money etc. However, some can't go back to the bars for a reason: commonly, drugs and too many complaints.STD's as well. Use caution with freelancers. Had a manasun once talked about a few girls they had to let go, kept failing the medical test they take, which we know aint that precise. You can't pass that I'm guessing your nasty. They move to the streets or online to the unsuspecting punter, beware.
WestCoast1
05-28-24, 11:56
Had a manasun once talked about a few girls they had to let go, kept failing the medical test they take, which we know aint that precise. You can't pass that I'm guessing your nasty. They move to the streets or online to the unsuspecting punter, beware.You're talking about my last several girlfriends. Easy there!
You're talking about my last several girlfriends. Easy there!And mine too Westie! As for the medical tests the girls supposedly take? It's the Philippines. Newcomers will discover over time you can't believe everything you're told. It still surprises me to this day how gullible some can be. Generally it's those looking for love. There's a difference between 'love' and a chick you grab from a bar or the street. Some just don't understand. Phil.
LoveItHere
05-28-24, 17:39
Just wondering which airlines fly from LA or San Fran direct to Clark? Would save a few hours travel time. Which is most economical, if there is such a thing?One stop only. Mostly unknown airline because only a few years old. I took it and liked it but I am pretty easy. LAX or SFO, 1 stop TPE (Taiwan), land at Clark.
https://www.starlux-airlines.com/en-US
Locamotive
05-28-24, 20:32
And mine too Westie! As for the medical tests the girls supposedly take? It's the Philippines. Newcomers will discover over time you can't believe everything you're told. It still surprises me to this day how gullible some can be. Generally it's those looking for love. There's a difference between 'love' and a chick you grab from a bar or the street. Some just don't understand. Phil.Its not supposedly and I'm not a newcomer. Is it 100% with all bars and all girls, this I do not know, but they are required too lets put it that way. Known a few girls going and we were doing something else later, sure Ill tag along. It looked like a medical place and they came out with a paper to give the club. Did I go back and witness the procedure, no, but they did something. Over the years I've had good results from bargirls, no disease issues. Online and freelancers do they get checkups, I doubt it, to each his own.
TravelingMan3
05-28-24, 21:22
STD's as well. Use caution with freelancers. .Girls that work in the bar can have STD's as well as bareback is common and they may get multiple customers a night if attractive enough. I'm speaking from expericne as I caught STD's a few times from those "clean" girls that work in the bars.
Erato Gelato
05-29-24, 08:06
Been 5 years since I've gone looking for fun in Phil via dating apps. Going to stop in for a short visit next week and would like to do a bit of advance casting. Started reviewing some of the apps I remember being popular before like PinaLove and FiliinoCupid, but couldn't see a way to filter by city. Is there one app worth recommending that's still popular here (Angeles) and allows for location filtering?
WestCoast1
05-29-24, 13:05
Been 5 years since I've gone looking for fun in Phil via dating apps. Going to stop in for a short visit next week and would like to do a bit of advance casting. Started reviewing some of the apps I remember being popular before like PinaLove and FiliinoCupid, but couldn't see a way to filter by city. Is there one app worth recommending that's still popular here (Angeles) and allows for location filtering?Date In Asia dot com.
Its not supposedly and I'm not a newcomer. Is it 100% with all bars and all girls, this I do not know, but they are required too lets put it that way. Hi Locamotive. I wasn't referring to you personally in my reply and as for supposedly, more so the quality, guidelines and credibility of the tests have been questioned in the past. Phil.
Old And Ugly
05-29-24, 18:54
I will explain to you how the medical checkup for the girls works:
It is called "hygiene" , it is not an exam, the medical worker inserts some sort of suppository in the vagina, that "explodes" inside and creates a discharge which supposedly, does a cleaning job, like "draino" . And that's it, absolutely nothing else. The idea of an actual exam is an illusion. Also the girls prepare for that by washing the insides with all kind of feminine products that are meant to suppress any odor.
Old And Ugly
05-29-24, 19:09
Been 5 years since I've gone looking for fun in Phil via dating apps. Going to stop in for a short visit next week and would like to do a bit of advance casting. Started reviewing some of the apps I remember being popular before like PinaLove and FiliinoCupid, but couldn't see a way to filter by city. Is there one app worth recommending that's still popular here (Angeles) and allows for location filtering?Dateinasia, but most of the profiles are fake / pinalove, you are limited to 1 text every 10 minutes, but most profiles are ok / and of course facebook.
Is there one app worth recommending that's still popular here (Angeles) and allows for location filtering?Pina Love allows search by distance from a place eg XYZ Hotel, My Location and City Name.
Most of the big site allow search by city. It's in the Search Preferences where you select age etc.
Enjoy. G.
Dateinasia, but most of the profiles are fake / pinalove, you are limited to 1 text every 10 minutes, but most profiles are ok / and of course facebook.Try TanTan.
Dateinasia, but most of the profiles are fake / pinalove, you are limited to 1 text every 10 minutes, but most profiles are ok / and of course facebook.Hi Old and Ugly,
I'm pretty much sorted with talent in AC, but out of interest, how does the Facebook option work? Are there specific pages where guys and girls connect? Regards. Phil.
Expat American
05-30-24, 17:55
I will explain to you how the medical checkup for the girls works:
It is called "hygiene" , it is not an exam, the medical worker inserts some sort of suppository in the vagina, that "explodes" inside and creates a discharge which supposedly, does a cleaning job, like "draino" . And that's it, absolutely nothing else. The idea of an actual exam is an illusion. Also the girls prepare for that by washing the insides with all kind of feminine products that are meant to suppress any odor.So it flushes out a weeks worth of dried monger goo. Nice!
Old And Ugly
05-31-24, 07:38
Hi Old and Ugly,
I'm pretty much sorted with talent in AC, but out of interest, how does the Facebook option work? Are there specific pages where guys and girls connect? Regards. Phil.It looks like pinalove, to get to it, in the fb app on the phone clickon the heart shaped icon on the bottom of the screen. I only used it a few times, but the responses were real.
Old And Ugly
05-31-24, 07:40
The bar reopened last night.
Old And Ugly
05-31-24, 07:45
Used to be across the street from viking, he relocated his shop in a shopping alley on the other side of the street after royal amsterdam. He needs your business.
Used to be across the street from viking, he relocated his shop in a shopping alley on the other side of the street after royal amsterdam. He needs your business.I enjoy a good gents barber. These was / is also one at the bottom of ABC. It's a good heart starter to stumble down in the morning for a hot towel close shave.
G.
Old And Ugly
06-01-24, 07:52
Envy is closed, I couldn't find out why.
It looks like pinalove, to get to it, in the fb app on the phone clickon the heart shaped icon on the bottom of the screen. I only used it a few times, but the responses were real.Thanks Old and Ugly, I'll check it out. Always great to hear tips and tricks here. Phil.
I enjoy a good gents barber. These was / is also one at the bottom of ABC. It's a good heart starter to stumble down in the morning for a hot towel close shave..The ABC barber is a cancer survivor. Been back about a year now. Gives a nice haircut and great shave. I get a nice shave before dining at the why.
Used to be across the street from viking, he relocated his shop in a shopping alley on the other side of the street after royal amsterdam. He needs your business.One of the sad things about all these chaps is they get screwed for rent. How it works is you agree a monthly rate, say 20 k PHP but then it is regularly upped afterwards. Fine if the money is pouring in but bad if it is not. The ordinary guy has basically no chance in the Pi.
The ABC barber is a cancer survivor. Been back about a year now. Gives a nice haircut and great shave. I get a nice shave before dining at the why.I didn't know that. I do remember him as a nice guy so its good he is recovering.
Yes, a daily shave was a good heart starter every morning.
G.
Expat American
06-02-24, 10:02
I didn't know that. I do remember him as a nice guy so its good he is recovering.
Yes, a daily shave was a good heart starter every morning.
G.You know there isn't anything going on in AC when the most active threads are about a barber. LOL.
Envy is closed, I couldn't find out why.Sorry to hear that. My favorite place for breakfast and just generally hanging out. Hope it's temporary. . .
TravelingMan3
06-02-24, 19:25
All right fellas I haven't been in AC since 2018 and it sucked girls were already out of shape over priced etc. With that said I back in town now for other reasons and while here decided to check out the scene. Before I give my thought I've only been in tow a one real day as I landed early Sunday morning and didn't hit town until 0400 and I live in Pattaya so I'm comparing it to that so kinda not fair. So with that said here are my thoughts so far at 0400 town was already dead Hammer was dead so went Eclipse which had a decent crowd but no real chick talent. Went to a 24 hour bar that sucked so went to sleep.
Tonight I went to Vikings Dollhouse and Lollipop they all were terrible and to my surprised girls in Vikings and Dollhouse were wearing dresses which I had heard about but thought it was the Korean bars. Lollipop was good back in the day but quality tonight was bad if your a monger I see NO reason to come to Angeles to monger over a place like Bangkok or Pattaya or even Jakarta. The one thing that has been a positive is the food at Rbi steakhouse and the Korean food I had that was good.
You know there isn't anything going on in AC when the most active threads are about a barber. LOL.My bad. I remember a while back it was even worse. We had an ongoing to and fro about laundry services for a couple of pages. 😁.
I'll shut up now. 🙏.
G.
Old And Ugly
06-03-24, 01:51
Sorry to hear that. My favorite place for breakfast and just generally hanging out. Hope it's temporary. . .One of the waitresses next door, said that it went bankrupt.
Expat American
06-03-24, 06:25
All right fellas I haven't been in AC since 2018 and it sucked girls were already out of shape over priced etc. With that said I back in town now for other reasons and while here decided to check out the scene. Before I give my thought I've only been in tow a one real day as I landed early Sunday morning and didn't hit town until 0400 and I live in Pattaya so I'm comparing it to that so kinda not fair. So with that said here are my thoughts so far at 0400 town was already dead Hammer was dead so went Eclipse which had a decent crowd but no real chick talent. Went to a 24 hour bar that sucked so went to sleep.
Tonight I went to Vikings Dollhouse and Lollipop they all were terrible and to my surprised girls in Vikings and Dollhouse were wearing dresses which I had heard about but thought it was the Korean bars. Lollipop was good back in the day but quality tonight was bad if your a monger I see NO reason to come to Angeles to monger over a place like Bangkok or Pattaya or even Jakarta. The one thing that has been a positive is the food at Rbi steakhouse and the Korean food I had that was good.I never thought ID read a report about AC where the food was praised over the girls. Twilight Zone stuff.
WestCoast1
06-03-24, 16:37
I never thought ID read a report about AC where the food was praised over the girls. Twilight Zone stuff.Orange Is The New Black, and AC food is a better draw than trim. Whod'a thunk it.
What 75 lbs (34 kg) looks like. Enjoy the view.
IndStallion31
06-03-24, 16:57
Wow guys AC is hell lot of Better than Manila. Sexy and cute chicks and very accommodating nature. Completing three days today here and finished 7 chicks till now (4ST and 3 LT) including the one I'm with now. ABC hotel is amazing but expensive. We are group so having hell lot of fun. Options in Gogos are good. Some gogos are not pushy. FL options via internet and dating websites are good too. Will write detailed report later.
I think I will return soon again here / yet I have two more days in This trip.
Just need some info on day time bars which can provide BJ like in Thailand??
Just need some info on day time bars which can provide BJ like in Thailand??Hi Stallion. Great to hear you're having a good time. Try Roelgeorge Bar on A Santos Rd (aptly named Blow Row) Just a five minute walk from Walking Street. A lot of older girls at times but they're very, very good at their job from experience _ Phil.
Hey HardDrive, thanks a lot for your review. Because of it I thought I go to Emotions to have a quick beer since I stayed at ABC. There was a 22 year old cute girl which I invited for a few drinks. She literally wouldn't stop to rub my dick for 2 hours. However I did enjoy it. The place had only two costumers but the staff was fun to talk to. Paid 4 K to take her for the whole night. Took her to the room for some jacuzzi time and fun. Then we went up to Aqua. I bought her a bikini and we went to the pool to play beer bong. Great night with a fun girl. So, everybody who is complaining about Angeles. I don't get it; it is so easy to have a great night here.
Great night with a fun girl. So, everybody who is complaining about Angeles. I don't get it; it is so easy to have a great night here.Hi Yolo,
Great you're having a good time in AC. For me, it's not the prettiest place in the world and I only visit for a few days at a time to coincide with business trips. But having said that, I've always left AC very satisfied. If you look hard enough, I've found you can get whatever you want there. Enjoy!
Gents.
In Angeles, if you bar fine a bargirl on the day shift (say 10 am) when is she entitled to leave?
Cheers.
Dirk.
WestCoast1
06-06-24, 03:45
Gents.
In Angeles, if you bar fine a bargirl on the day shift (say 10 am) when is she entitled to leave?
Cheers.
Dirk.Technically, anytime she wants to depart. However its customary for daytime to mean some sort of ST. What that means, exactly, is up to you and the girl. You can ask her directly before barfining how long she can stay. Or put it to her alternately: Can you stay until 4 pm (or such) + 2 pops?
Expat American
06-06-24, 07:18
Gents.
In Angeles, if you bar fine a bargirl on the day shift (say 10 am) when is she entitled to leave?
Cheers.
Dirk.It USED to be you have her until the end of her normal shift (6 pm) or when the bar closes (like 9 pm or later). In the new AC it could mean 20 min to 2 hours or all day. More likely the former. But negotiate it before. I personally find it tiresome to deal with them all day unless she is special in some way.
Old And Ugly
06-06-24, 07:37
Gents.
In Angeles, if you bar fine a bargirl on the day shift (say 10 am) when is she entitled to leave?
Cheers.
Dirk.Most girls on day shift have something going on in the evening, like kids, family, etc. And they have to be there. Usually they can stay up to the time their shift ends, this is why you take them out as early as possible to get as much time as possible for your money. If she comes up with some story that she has to leave earlier, just remind her that if you didn't bar fined her, she would be going home when the shift ended anyway, and without the barfine money.
Korean Clubs / Bars.
After watching several videos, RTFF, and Google, these are the places I found that were Korean owned and / or operated. Please look at my list so I can keep or delete.
Bad Boy.
Viking-Pirate.
Sky Falls.
Cosplay.
Genesis.
Baccara.
Arabesque.
Aura.
Bunny.
Penguin.
Club XS.
Dragon.
Club Atlantis.
Dimple.
Bar Nana.
Dollhouse.
Soya.
Thank you all in advance!
Tijuana.
Gents.
In Angeles, if you bar fine a bargirl on the day shift (say 10 am) when is she entitled to leave?
Cheers.
Dirk.Depends on the girl. Most girls try to leave after one shot unless she likes your hotel and ofcourse you. The goal for them is get barfined so that they get out of the daily drudge.
Gents.
In Angeles, if you bar fine a bargirl on the day shift (say 10 am) when is she entitled to leave?
Cheers.
Dirk.Hi Dirk. The guys on here have offered some great feedback.
The skill is in the negotiation process. Know what exactly you're going to get before committing. After numerous visits, I now have a number of 'previous' girls lined up in advance from earlier visits and keep in touch with them via WhatsApp which takes out the expense of the lady drinks and the bar fines.
But there's still some negotiation going on beforehand. Generally the offer is buying them dinner (which is relatively inexpensive) and then staying overnight with me for 3 k and it's usually always accepted. I then tip them 500 p - 1000 p when 'I kiss them goodbye' the next morning and they accept it a present or an unexpected bonus.
Always works out well for the next visit. Just my experience _ Phil.
P.S. (Just hide the TV remote control if you're bringing them back to your room, as they'll get too comfortable and not devote their total attention to f*cking you).
Erasmus B Dragin
06-06-24, 15:53
None.
One option is to fly into Clark with EVA with a layover in Taipei. You can check your options with a website such as kayak.com. Then I normally book directly with the airline to get seat options and better customer service, depending on the price difference. But from LAX, you will actually save time if you fly direct with PAL to Manila, and then take a private taxi or the shuttle to Angeles; this will cost more.
A very good website to check what direct flights lands in any airport in the world is: https://www.flightsfrom.com/.
Typically, the best option from LA is PAL nonstop to MNL, then Genesis bus from NAIA T3 direct to AC. Buses run more or less hourly, last bus at 22:00. Reliably 2 hours from T3 to SM Clark. Allowing one hour for bag collection, emigration & shuttle from T1 or T2, that puts you in AC 3 hours after landing. Genesis buses are reasonably comfortable & have onboard WiFi for PHP 430.
Another option is any direct flight to Hong Kong, then CePac, Air Asia, PAL, Hong Kong Express, Royal Air, etc to Clark. With a good connection this can be about the same overall travel time as the former, but anything less than 1 1/2 hours in HK is cutting it close. For a longer layover, there's a free shower.
If you plan ahead (6 weeks or more) you can get really good deals on airfare.
Korean Clubs / Bars.
After watching several videos, RTFF, and Google, these are the places I found that were Korean owned and / or operated. Please look at my list so I can keep or delete.Club XS: Definitely not Korean operated. I was told there was one Korean manager, but I've never seen him. The bar is owned by the Wolfpack group. I was told one of the five owners is Korean.
Dragon: Definitely Korean operated. But this bar was purchased by a Black American with a Muslim name. I was told that's why they added a group of girls who wear bikinis. Personally, that's my only complaint with Korean bars; the girls wear dresses.
Erasmus B Dragin
06-07-24, 00:29
Typically, the best option from LA is PAL nonstop to MNL, then Genesis bus from NAIA T3 direct to AC. Buses run more or less hourly, last bus at 22:00. Reliably 2 hours from T3 to SM Clark. Allowing one hour for bag collection, emigration & shuttle from T1 or T2, that puts you in AC 3 hours after landing. Genesis buses are reasonably comfortable & have onboard WiFi for PHP 430.https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=wR0PyjZYpOVULdxI&v=ONgMVCyXd34&feature=youtu.be
FuriousGeorge
06-07-24, 08:40
This seems like good news. The Level 3 bar was bought by the American who owns 69 Rock, and by this walkthrough and his description of plans, sounds like a killer gogo bar, in the middle of walking street.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzJ1QjPbaiE
NapaSlapper
06-07-24, 15:41
Club XS: Definitely not Korean operated. I was told there was one Korean manager, but I've never seen him. The bar is owned by the Wolfpack group. I was told one of the five owners is Korean.
Dragon: Definitely Korean operated. But this bar was purchased by a Black American with a Muslim name. I was told that's why they added a group of girls who wear bikinis. Personally, that's my only complaint with Korean bars; the girls wear dresses.Xs bar not Korean operated? I would check you source of wrong information or to actually make an Angeles trip yourself for 1st hand information and to meet the Korean xs bar manager who is there every day.
Just to clear xs bar up for the members, xs bar has got to be the number 1 bar in Angeles for the amount of customers (Koreans) the best dance shows and the most likely bar to have a few ok looking girls (Korean only girls) the xs building main lease is held by the wolfpack group but they sub lease it out to others (Koreans) to run the bar on a day to day basis.
Contrary to your claims greenbud xs bar is 100% a korean run bar.
Xs bar not Korean operated? I would check you source of wrong information or to actually make an Angeles trip yourself for 1st hand information and to meet the Korean xs bar manager who is there every day.There are no Korean touts in front. Korean papasans do not greet the Korean customers. That should be the definition/non-definition of a Korean operated bar. It seems to be mainly Philipino mamasans that deal with the customers. I will check if there is a Korean manager the next time I am there.
Yes, many of the customers are Korean. But it's on Walking Street with a popular show. Many non Koreans also.
You're being delusional again. The obnoxious PM again. You are so funny. Are you going to claim the manager is your brother in law again? Just like last time in your obnoxious PM. Those things can be checked. You need to claim things that are unverifiable.
NapaSlapper
06-08-24, 01:20
All right fellas I haven't been in AC since 2018 and it sucked girls were already out of shape over priced etc. With that said I back in town now for other reasons and while here decided to check out the scene. Before I give my thought I've only been in tow a one real day as I landed early Sunday morning and didn't hit town until 0400 and I live in Pattaya so I'm comparing it to that so kinda not fair. So with that said here are my thoughts so far at 0400 town was already dead Hammer was dead so went Eclipse which had a decent crowd but no real chick talent. Went to a 24 hour bar that sucked so went to sleep.
Tonight I went to Vikings Dollhouse and Lollipop they all were terrible and to my surprised girls in Vikings and Dollhouse were wearing dresses which I had heard about but thought it was the Korean bars. Lollipop was good back in the day but quality tonight was bad if your a monger I see NO reason to come to Angeles to monger over a place like Bangkok or Pattaya or even Jakarta. The one thing that has been a positive is the food at Rbi steakhouse and the Korean food I had that was good.Have to fully agree that angeles has basically died a death and cannot be remotely compared to other nearby Asian mongering destinations.
Lollipop bar as you said has lost its shine big time over the last few years but so have many other western oriented angeles bars, as far as nudity, bikinis, sexy underwear etc well that has not been seen in most angeles bars for some time now, many girls in street clothes, many girls in evening dresses, there is in truth more flesh to be seen on any beach the world over than in the bars of angeles, it is what it is unfortunately.
Am presently in Bangkok on a business trip, not only is the Thai girl talent much younger, slimmer and better looking than their angeles cousins but also the fun factor and energy on stage shown by the Thai girls is far far higher and of course there is lots of topless and nudity in Thai gogos, so would fully agree with you that for the savvy monger an angeles visit makes little sense especially as other destinations offer so much more at similar prices.
TravelingMan3
06-08-24, 23:12
All right my Angeles trip is over it was about 4 days I'm currently back in my condo in Pattaya so I'll give my quick thoughts. Things I didn't like the gogos why aside from the ugly ladies they were wearing dresses in a good number of places. I didn't realize Crystal Palace and Brown Sugar are now closed those were some of my favorite places to drink. Then there is Dollhouse and Atlantis one word terrible and these were the main places in years past. Honestly the only positive is Mega Dance went here about 3 times the bottle service girls are cute one had a great ass also the bikini girls if you get one it would be wort it.
Hi Guys, got a business trip lined up in a few months and will have a week in AC again after MNL and maybe a visit to Sabang to catch up with some talented contacts. I normally stay at the Wild Orchid in AC. Yes, it's dated but I've never really had a problem with it. Good food, conveniently located on Blow Row and good staff. Just wondering if ABC is worth the hype? I see their reviews are comparable and ABC is a bit more pricey of the two _ Cheers _ Phil.
Hi Guys, got a business trip lined up in a few months and will have a week in AC again after MNL and maybe a visit to Sabang to catch up with some talented contacts. I normally stay at the Wild Orchid in AC. Yes, it's dated but I've never really had a problem with it. Good food, conveniently located on Blow Row and good staff. Just wondering if ABC is worth the hype? I see their reviews are comparable and ABC is a bit more pricey of the two _ Cheers _ Phil.There is no hype about ABC. ABC is a superior hotel plain and simple. Rooms are newer and I am sure the bathrooms with shower and separate tubs are better. Restaurant and aqua Club onsite.
Location to WS is not as good.
ABC will cost you more than WO. If you are satisfied with WO then why change?
Am presently in Bangkok on a business trip,
of course there is lots of topless and nudity in Thai gogos,Lots of full nudity in Thai Go-Gos in Bangkok? Which ones? Please enlighten us. I only know of 4. I am always looking for more of them. I like to have a cold beer in front of naked girls.
Of course, I know you won't answer that question. You've been to Bangkok as many times as you've been to Angeles.
Expat American
06-10-24, 07:21
There is no hype about ABC. ABC is a superior hotel plain and simple. Rooms are newer and I am sure the bathrooms with shower and separate tubs are better. Restaurant and aqua Club onsite.
Location to WS is not as good.
ABC will cost you more than WO. If you are satisfied with WO then why change?I think Central Park is a good compromise. Newer and more renovated than Wild Orchid and better located but not as plush as ABC. If easy proximity to WS is important (and why else would you be in that shit hole town anyway?) then better to stay walking distance to most of the bars. Less dealing with Trike Mafia or grab rides. But by all accounts, it seems not worth the trip any more. Go to Cebu or somewhere else instead.
Old And Ugly
06-10-24, 11:22
Lots of full nudity in Thai Go-Gos in Bangkok? Which ones? Please enlighten us. I only know of 4. I am always looking for more of them. I like to have a cold beer in front of naked girls.
Of course, I know you won't answer that question. You've been to Bangkok as many times as you've been to Angeles.Been to Bangkok few months ago, I saw topples, and totally nude dancers in Nana Plaza, but compared to Angeles, there is too much going on, too pushy, too aggressive.
Old And Ugly
06-10-24, 11:29
Hi Guys, got a business trip lined up in a few months and will have a week in AC again after MNL and maybe a visit to Sabang to catch up with some talented contacts. I normally stay at the Wild Orchid in AC. Yes, it's dated but I've never really had a problem with it. Good food, conveniently located on Blow Row and good staff. Just wondering if ABC is worth the hype? I see their reviews are comparable and ABC is a bit more pricey of the two _ Cheers _ Phil.Royal Amsterdam Hotel, is in the best mongering location. Not suitable for long term stays, but perfect for the 1-2 weeks bed activities. Rooms are around 3 K / night.
ThreeInches
06-10-24, 12:06
Royal Amsterdam Hotel, is in the best mongering location. Not suitable for long term stays, but perfect for the 1-2 weeks bed activities. Rooms are around 3 K / night.Staff at amsterdam is horrible got a battle axe that runs the front desk, Amsterdam is due for a renovation imo, even their suite has hospital beds or what feels like a hospital bed in them. As grand central hotel is open that is the best option imo, softer beds and better wifi speeds and right now priced lower than amsterdam.
Score birds imo offers the best value in AC in terms of quality, internet and value and if you care about your knees score birds has a working elevator.
Only thing that bothers me about score birds is I guess also why vikings got shut down? The annoying baklas that relentlessly harass you to try to get your dick in their hands / orifice in these massage places during your walk to / from walking street. If you are listening score birds please have a talk with these men and ask them to politely ask maybe once per trip but continuous harassment is not fun.
Score birds should work out a secret walking street exit with some property on the other side imo. Looks like Level 3 is right behind it could work out a deal with the rock bar guy and have "Kama'aina Loyalty" members use this secret shortcut.
WestCoast1
06-10-24, 12:42
in Nana Plaza, but compared to Angeles, there is too much going on, too pushy, too aggressive.'too much going on, too pushy, too aggressive'. Angeles? Or Nana Plaza?
Lots of full nudity in Thai Go-Gos in Bangkok? Which ones? Please enlighten us. I only know of 4. I am always looking for more of them. I like to have a cold beer in front of naked girls.
Of course, I know you won't answer that question. You've been to Bangkok as many times as you've been to Angeles.He might have been having drinks in the LB Go-Go bars with full nudity. I have heard they are full nudity. He could be correct.
ABC will cost you more than WO. If you are satisfied with WO then why change?Thanks Dg, it was just a matter of getting some feedback here on ABC rather than relying fluffy internet reviews, which are lots of google translated Korean reviews. Not so much an issue of changing from WO. Always been happy there. Just checking out alternative options. Phil.
I think Central Park is a good compromise. Newer and more renovated than Wild Orchid and better located but not as plush as ABC. If easy proximity to WS is important (and why else would you be in that shit hole town anyway?) then better to stay walking distance to most of the bars. Less dealing with Trike Mafia or grab rides. But by all accounts, it seems not worth the trip any more. Go to Cebu or somewhere else instead.Thanks Expat.
Yes, I generally do Cebu more often but it depends on where work takes me.
WO has always been handy with girls I know on Blow Row and I have a good stack of WhatsApp contacts built up over time and lots of trips, so WS isn't my go-to.
Yes, agree, the place is a shithole, but you can definitely have some fun in your downtime. Thanks for the Central Park info. I was basically just looking at all my options and thought I'd ask the question here from those with experience. All is appreciated. Phil.
Been to Bangkok few months ago, I saw topples, and totally nude dancers in Nana Plaza,Which ones? I was there last December. Over the years, there has been a trend in Thailand of eliminating organized, full nudity (less nudity in Bangkok and Pattaya). I've peeked my head into most of the bars in Nana (except several on the second floor, lol); didn't see any.
Old And Ugly
06-11-24, 19:05
'too much going on, too pushy, too aggressive'. Angeles? Or Nana Plaza?Nana Plaza.
Old And Ugly
06-11-24, 19:08
Which ones? I was there last December. Over the years, there has been a trend in Thailand of eliminating organized, full nudity (less nudity in Bangkok and Pattaya). I've peeked my head into most of the bars in Nana (except several on the second floor, lol); didn't see any.Nana plaza 2nd and 3rd floor, lots of them.
Old And Ugly
06-11-24, 19:53
Staff at amsterdam is horrible got a battle axe that runs the front desk, Amsterdam is due for a renovation imo, even their suite has hospital beds or what feels like a hospital bed in them. As grand central hotel is open that is the best option imo, softer beds and better wifi speeds and right now priced lower than amsterdam.
Score birds imo offers the best value in AC in terms of quality, internet and value and if you care about your knees score birds has a working elevator.
Only thing that bothers me about score birds is I guess also why vikings got shut down? The annoying baklas that relentlessly harass you to try to get your dick in their hands / orifice in these massage places during your walk to / from walking street. If you are listening score birds please have a talk with these men and ask them to politely ask maybe once per trip but continuous harassment is not fun.
Score birds should work out a secret walking street exit with some property on the other side imo. Looks like Level 3 is right behind it could work out a deal with the rock bar guy and have "Kama'aina Loyalty" members use this secret shortcut.I stayed at both, and to me Royal Amsterdam seems more updated, and closer to western standards.
Front desk, was always nice to me, and the beds are big and hard, not bouncing back when pounding, they have also sofas, with big round armrests, perfect for practicing circus acts. Yes the WiFi is slow sometimes, but when in Angeles, I don't care about TikTok too much, and I didn't turned on the TV for about 20 years now (just some Netflix, and Youtube very rarely, but never while in Angeles).
Of course is always a matter of personal preferences, and past experiences maybe other guys prefer a softer bed, more relaxation and entertainment when indoor.
I'm a bit old world fashioned, and I always give the front desk when I'm checking in a few hundreds pesos to buy chocolates, and when I buy fruit on the street I get a few extras for them, and the porter. When I see the housekeeping girls I pass them 100 pesos, a few dollars doesn't matter for us, but it makes their day a lot brighter. I'm not advertising for them, everybody has preferred places, and places they hate, I'm just relating my experience. Last time I stayed there was last week, and it was very productive, only threesomes, and four hands naked massages, things that I can't have no more since I moved in the province.
Nana plaza 2nd and 3rd floor, lots of them.Only topless. Did they change?
Old And Ugly
06-12-24, 05:47
Only topless. Did they change?I don't know how many times I have to repeat it: NAKED, no clothes on, bare pussy, nude, etc.
Anyway this is the Angeles forum, that was just an observation, related to a side trip, maybe in the Thai forum there is more info about it. I was in BK visiting an old friend, a Thai girl, that lives in the US, and went back to Thailand to extend her nose. She is a pervert (a very sexy one), always wanted to see what's going on inside those bars, but could not go in there by herself, so she dragged me to Nana, Cowboy, and Patpong, inside every single bar, most of them in and out, but we had a few drinks where she wanted to stay longer, and they were always the bars with the naked girls, therefore I replied to the post about no nudity, because I just been there, other wise I don't really care to convince anybody about anything, I'm way past that in my existence. Living on the beach, with a sexy babe beside you, sounds exciting, and it really is, but sometimes it is boring if you had an active lifestyle before that. That's the only reason I'm writing here once in a while.
Thanks Dg, it was just a matter of getting some feedback here on ABC rather than relying fluffy internet reviews, which are lots of google translated Korean reviews. Not so much an issue of changing from WO. Always been happy there. Just checking out alternative options. Phil.You might try ABC for a change up. It is further away from the action. I enjoy ABC even though it costs more. The Koreans do not overrun the place.
You might try ABC for a change up. It is further away from the action. I enjoy ABC even though it costs more. The Koreans do not overrun the place.Thanks DG, I'll look into ABC for future visits. Money isn't too much of a problem for me and I generally save that through not paying bar fines and 'compensating' my contacts directly when I'm in town.
I've booked the WO for another business trip soon. I'll take a look at the ABC when I arrive. Phil.
Hi guys,
This might be a long shot, but we have a lingerie and sex toy business and are always on the look-out for girls to model for us for our social media etc.
I'll be in Angeles soon again and wanted to line up some talent for pics in advance. I was just wondering if there were any Facebook or other pages we could search for local talent that might be interested.
It's definitely a paid gig and I've connected and worked with girls in Sabang before. We are totally professional and don't disclose any of our model's info online, apart from their social info they wish us to share. They were lovely, but didn't necessarily want to be 'stars' as their families may find out.
It's a bit weird as they'll f*ck you for cash, but they're reluctant to follow our advise and helping them to making their way out of poverty.
So basically, if you know of any Angeles pages I could reach out to in advance, it would be very much appreciated. Phil.
NapaSlapper
06-16-24, 02:51
All right my Angeles trip is over it was about 4 days I'm currently back in my condo in Pattaya so I'll give my quick thoughts. Things I didn't like the gogos why aside from the ugly ladies they were wearing dresses in a good number of places. I didn't realize Crystal Palace and Brown Sugar are now closed those were some of my favorite places to drink. Then there is Dollhouse and Atlantis one word terrible and these were the main places in years past. Honestly the only positive is Mega Dance went here about 3 times the bottle service girls are cute one had a great ass also the bikini girls if you get one it would be wort it.Yes, many moons back walking st bars atlantis bar, carousel bar, dollhouse bar, club asia were the better bars stocked with multiple young, slim fuckable girls.
Even not on walking st clubs like Dbar, cherries bar and a few others along that strip had many attractive girls to choose from, even as far down perimeter road and a good few km from walking st had great day time bars, mirrors bar, lost in asia bar, after school bar, rodies bar etc, although these were mainly day time bars they were packed with 30,40,50 very fuckable girls in each bar.
Of course back in the day angeles too had topless and naked girls on stage, girls without tats, no phone in hand and a great attitude and big smiles from every girl and of course girls that were not racist and would willingly fuck for a living.
Roll on to todays angeles and as a westerner in angeles its very hard to get any attention or a smile from the better looking slim girls, why well as we all know there are new kings in town that are called asians, many bars have turned from places to find bed partners for the night into places that supply over prices punter drinks and dance shows by want to be princesses.
As far as bars that have closed then yes some have, some only open certain days of the weeks, the biggest suprise is that the massive and excellently placed envy bar and restaurant has closed its doors for good after spending fortunes to open just a short while ago, why, simple, not enough customers.
Last couple of angeles barhops have seen angeles very quiet, that goes for punters and the bar girls, take away the asians and it would turn from very quiet to lights out for angeles bars in truth.
NapaSlapper
06-16-24, 03:19
I don't know how many times I have to repeat it: NAKED, no clothes on, bare pussy, nude, etc.
Anyway this is the Angeles forum, that was just an observation, related to a side trip, maybe in the Thai forum there is more info about it. I was in BK visiting an old friend, a Thai girl, that lives in the US, and went back to Thailand to extend her nose. She is a pervert (a very sexy one), always wanted to see what's going on inside those bars, but could not go in there by herself, so she dragged me to Nana, Cowboy, and Patpong, inside every single bar, most of them in and out, but we had a few drinks where she wanted to stay longer, and they were always the bars with the naked girls, therefore I replied to the post about no nudity, because I just been there, other wise I don't really care to convince anybody about anything, I'm way past that in my existence. Living on the beach, with a sexy babe beside you, sounds exciting, and it really is, but sometimes it is boring if you had an active lifestyle before that. That's the only reason I'm writing here once in a while.Thanks for your previous reports, they have been both honest and informative to those members that want to visit angeles.
Are there topless and naked girls in thailand bars, yes indeed, as many have said, are the girls of angeles mainly covered up, yes indeed, Take no notice of members like greenbud and a few others whose sole purpose is to stop members posting their trip thoughts and to be argumentative while offering no boots on the ground info.
Trip reports are very few for angeles, whether positive or negative those that take the time to write them I say well done.
FuriousGeorge
06-17-24, 09:17
This gringo is going to single-handedly revive the AC bar scene. I look forward to spending lots of money here when I return in a few months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5imF9Q0T-KU
Are there topless and naked girls in thailand bars, yes indeed,And of course, you can't answer the question, which ones. You probably never been there.
There are no go-go bars in Nana that has full nudity. There are maybe around 4 in Soi Cowboy. This was the case for the last few Decembers; I doubt they change for high season only.
Take no notice of members like greenbud and a few others whose sole purpose is to stop members posting their trip thoughts and to be argumentative while offering no boots on the ground info.Every member should post their travel thoughts. I just correct your falsehoods. It's hard to correct your exaggerations, since much of it is opinion. Funny thing is that I lean toward that side you espouse, but not to the degree you exaggerate towards.
Huh? No boots on the ground info? Obviously, you don't have good reading comprehension. All the people that mentioned you sending them obnoxious PMs are good contributors to this forum. I question yours, with all your falsehoods and exaggerations.
Houston Player
06-17-24, 13:31
And of course, you can't answer the question, which ones. You probably never been there.
There are no go-go bars in Nana that has full nudity. There are maybe around 4 in Soi Cowboy. This was the case for the last few Decembers; I doubt they change for high season only.
I'm sorry sir but you don't know what you are talking about. I don't know NapaSlapper so I can't vouch for him. However I live in Bangkok and can give boots on the ground information.
There are currently 3 go-go bars in Nana that have full nudity that I'm aware of and there are probably more. Geshia in the tub, Angelwitch on stage and Spankys during shows.
As you stated there are also several in Soi Cowboy. Crazy House, Suzy Wong and Long Gun that I know of and in Baccara the girls are topless with short skirts and no underwear.
There are currently 3 go-go bars in Nana that have full nudity that I'm aware of and there are probably more. Geshia in the tub, Angelwitch on stage and Spankys during shows.Thank you for stating the names of the bars. Unlike other people.
I will check them out next December and report on it. Last December, Spankys definitely did not have full nudity during the shows. Last time I saw it over there was around 2013 or 2014. I only peeked inside Angelwitch. I think I peeked inside almost every bar looking for full nudity.
The other bar in Soi Cowboy that has full nudity is on the north side. Maybe Dollhouse, or the bars next to it. Can't remember. There are 5 bars in Pattaya that has full nudity. We should have a separate thread that list all the bars that has full nudity. Anyone else, please chime in.
FlyGuyEddie007
06-17-24, 22:46
This gringo is going to single-handedly revive the AC bar scene. I look forward to spending lots of money here when I return in a few months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5imF9Q0T-KUThanks for sharing I will watch at home.
Houston Player
06-18-24, 01:30
Thank you for stating the names of the bars. Unlike other people.
I will check them out next December and report on it. Last December, Spankys definitely did not have full nudity during the shows. Last time I saw it over there was around 2013 or 2014. I only peeked inside Angelwitch. I think I peeked inside almost every bar looking for full nudity.
The other bar in Soi Cowboy that has full nudity is on the north side. Maybe Dollhouse, or the bars next to it. Can't remember. There are 5 bars in Pattaya that has full nudity. We should have a separate thread that list all the bars that has full nudity. Anyone else, please chime in.Definitely Dollhouse, you're right, I forgot because the talent has been so bad I haven't been in there in for quite some time.
Expat American
06-18-24, 05:59
This gringo is going to single-handedly revive the AC bar scene. I look forward to spending lots of money here when I return in a few months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5imF9Q0T-KUSo its a restaurant beer garden strip club gogo bar dance club? All I want is a place with cute girls who will let you grope them for drinks and barfine for a reasonable price and stay all night and provide BBFS. Is that asking too much? LOL.
Chris Long
06-19-24, 09:09
Arrived in Bangkok April 27. Spent a week in Bangkok then Pattaya for nearly a month then back to Bangkok for nearly another week then a three day weekend in Makati in Manilla. Was treated like a Rock Star. Girls in Thailand pulling on me giving me heart signs had 100% success in Thailand and Manilla getting what ever girl I wanted never had to settle never once heard the words no or I have menstruation. Spent an ungodly amount of money in Thailand. Had s x several times a day every day for nearly two months. Then arrived in Angeles City Monday June 17. Was some what out off the door girls were not running out to grab me calling me sexy man it giving me heart signs. The most they could be bothered to do was yell out the name of their bar often while still staring at their phones. Freelancers seemed none existent a few in front of envy / Phillies but 90% were lady boys and the few women there were sub five in appearance. Walked around on walking street waiting for a hot door girl to come and grab me and insist that I bar fine her the way they had done in Thailand. None did wondered into caracal they seemed friendly but none met my standard in looks so didn't talk to any. Wondered around looking for more freelancers but didn't find any. No one calling me sexy man no massage shops with girls offering me boom boom. The massage girls standing on walking street all seemed to be below my looks standard. Ended up just going to bed with no boom boom the first time in nearly two months. Welcome to Angeles City.
FuriousGeorge
06-19-24, 19:10
If it's a cool vibe, which it looks like it will be, it will attract plenty of girls to fill that need. And the place where the girls sleep seems way nicer than some of the dumps these bars provide. It doesn't appear to be a dance club for civilians. Those stages are for the bargirls. Also there are backrooms for 'lap dances'. You can already grope and finger in the western bars out in the open so I'm guessing there will be plenty available here. We'll see but I'm optimistic.
So its a restaurant beer garden strip club gogo bar dance club? All I want is a place with cute girls who will let you grope them for drinks and barfine for a reasonable price and stay all night and provide BBFS. Is that asking too much? LOL.
Arrived in Bangkok April 27. Spent a week in Bangkok then Pattaya for nearly a month then back to Bangkok for nearly another week then a three day weekend in Makati in Manilla. Was treated like a Rock Star. Girls in Thailand pulling on me giving me heart signs had 100% success in Thailand and Manilla getting what ever girl I wanted never had to settle never once heard the words no or I have menstruation. Spent an ungodly amount of money in Thailand. Had s x several times a day every day for nearly two months. Then arrived in Angeles City Monday June 17. Was some what out off the door girls were not running out to grab me calling me sexy man it giving me heart signs. The most they could be bothered to do was yell out the name of their bar often while still staring at their phones. Freelancers seemed none existent a few in front of envy / Phillies but 90% were lady boys and the few women there were sub five in appearance. Walked around on walking street waiting for a hot door girl to come and grab me and insist that I bar fine her the way they had done in Thailand. None did wondered into caracal they seemed friendly but none met my standard in looks so didn't talk to any. Wondered around looking for more freelancers but didn't find any. No one calling me sexy man no massage shops with girls offering me boom boom. The massage girls standing on walking street all seemed to be below my looks standard. Ended up just going to bed with no boom boom the first time in nearly two months. Welcome to Angeles City.AC is not Thailand. Thailand is not Philippines. Do not expect good Thai food in AC.
AC WS is so small compared to Pattaya and BKK. It is one street. I have been told the bars were ordered to keep a low profile and no soliciting for sex on the street. It is ok to solicit for drinks in the bar. Why is that? There is always constant political pressure to close down WS. Hence the low pressure and no grabbing of customers. The bars have pressure the police to not allow FL to solicit in WS.
If you can't deal with SOP here then best to exit early. You will be greatly disappointed standing in WS waiting for a Pattaya or BKK experience.
AC is not Thailand. Thailand is not Philippines. Do not expect good Thai food in AC.
AC WS is so small compared to Pattaya and BKK. It is one street. I have been told the bars were ordered to keep a low profile and no soliciting for sex on the street. It is ok to solicit for drinks in the bar. Why is that? There is always constant political pressure to close down WS. Hence the low pressure and no grabbing of customers. The bars have pressure the police to not allow FL to solicit in WS.
If you can't deal with SOP here then best to exit early. You will be greatly disappointed standing in WS waiting for a Pattaya or BKK experience.That's the tragic part. AC was once a bigger scene than Pattaya, but pseudo morality fooled them into killing the golden goose.
Pattaya on the other hand embraced the sleaze and is now an ever expanding and bustling metropolis with billions of USD making its way into the city yearly via trade, visitors, investments etc, while AC can only attract a trickle here and there, and maybe scam some Chinese money into building a new and useless mall that took almost a decade to complete and some pity money from Clark.
Despite the tragedy and all, we still like to visit and most of us at least still have a good time.
NapaSlapper
06-24-24, 16:58
Arrived in Bangkok April 27. Spent a week in Bangkok then Pattaya for nearly a month then back to Bangkok for nearly another week then a three day weekend in Makati in Manilla. Was treated like a Rock Star. Girls in Thailand pulling on me giving me heart signs had 100% success in Thailand and Manilla getting what ever girl I wanted never had to settle never once heard the words no or I have menstruation. Spent an ungodly amount of money in Thailand. Had s x several times a day every day for nearly two months. Then arrived in Angeles City Monday June 17. Was some what out off the door girls were not running out to grab me calling me sexy man it giving me heart signs. The most they could be bothered to do was yell out the name of their bar often while still staring at their phones. Freelancers seemed none existent a few in front of envy / Phillies but 90% were lady boys and the few women there were sub five in appearance. Walked around on walking street waiting for a hot door girl to come and grab me and insist that I bar fine her the way they had done in Thailand. None did wondered into caracal they seemed friendly but none met my standard in looks so didn't talk to any. Wondered around looking for more freelancers but didn't find any. No one calling me sexy man no massage shops with girls offering me boom boom. The massage girls standing on walking street all seemed to be below my looks standard. Ended up just going to bed with no boom boom the first time in nearly two months. Welcome to Angeles City.Thanks for your input, I sure agree with most of your points.
The last few angeles barhops this week have been barren bar hops for both me and my western friends, although some on this board claim angeles is packed with 8+ girls in every bar and street corner I just don't see what they see, maybe they are marking a girl an 8. 5 out of a possible 100,who knows.
Barhopped more than a dozen angeles walking street bars this week, most western bars we walked in and walked straight back out again, most of those bars has very few girls on stage and those that were were not only looking totally bored and uninterested but were mostly fatter older mummies, fully agree its just so hard to find fairly slim, fairly young ok looking girls.
Best bar again for a handful of ok girls, entertaining shows and good atmosphere has to once again go to XS bar even though it is a korean managed and oriented bar (I was the only westerner) its about the only bar that employs a few better looking girls, of course the better looks comes with more excuses not to barfine for the girls.
NapaSlapper
06-24-24, 17:06
I'm sorry sir but you don't know what you are talking about. I don't know NapaSlapper so I can't vouch for him. However I live in Bangkok and can give boots on the ground information.
There are currently 3 go-go bars in Nana that have full nudity that I'm aware of and there are probably more. Geshia in the tub, Angelwitch on stage and Spankys during shows.
As you stated there are also several in Soi Cowboy. Crazy House, Suzy Wong and Long Gun that I know of and in Baccara the girls are topless with short skirts and no underwear.Thanks for your confirmation of my earlier reports of nudity in the bars of Bangkok, lets not forget patpong area of Bangkok for more nudity, not sure how some claim to have been to Bangkok but do not see topless / nudity in many of the bars.
That's the tragic part. AC was once a bigger scene than Pattaya, but pseudo morality fooled them into killing the golden goose.
Pattaya on the other hand embraced the sleaze and is now an ever expanding and bustling metropolis with billions of USD making its way into the city yearly via trade, visitors, investments etc, while AC can only attract a trickle here and there, and maybe scam some Chinese money into building a new and useless mall that took almost a decade to complete and some pity money from Clark.
Despite the tragedy and all, we still like to visit and most of us at least still have a good time.Tragedy is only in the history books. I never experienced the "old days". So no tragedy to me.
Today is the only day I am concerned about. Today there are still plenty available. Next year will produce another crop.
Tragedy is only in the history books. I never experienced the "old days". So no tragedy to me.
Today is the only day I am concerned about. Today there are still plenty available. Next year will produce another crop.Have to agree DG. Most of my work has always taken me to other places in the Phils, however I was in Angeles for the first time last year and am returning soon on a work trip. Back then, I found 'my best solution' on Blow Row without having to worry about WS, bar fines etc. And had a great time. Everyone to their own I suppose. It's definitely a shitty town to visit IMO, but when you have a tight 'gristle gripper' taking care of you at the right price and accompanied by a few drinks, there's nothing to consider about the 'good old days' _ Just my thoughts _ Phil.
FuriousGeorge
06-26-24, 08:08
All you have to do is watch the many recent videos of nightly walks of WS on youtube and you will see what you are in for. At least outside on the street. As for me, I enjoy it and I look forward to returning later this year. I am curious about what you consider 'blow row'. Up on perimeter near Garfield's? I've detailed my experience up there at Nifty's, which was weird, but not unpleasant. I'm going to check out more of those bars for daytime activities when I return. People also have said that the ROELGEORGE bar on A Santos offers daytime BJs. I've poked my head in there a couple of times but have not seen much interesting, and this video gives a little tour. Not sure where or with whom the BJs happen, but it's not to say I'm not against a relaxing daytime BJ if the vibe is right. Hell I'll give it a try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBQ53hccatI&t=2s
Have to agree DG. Most of my work has always taken me to other places in the Phils, however I was in Angeles for the first time last year and am returning soon on a work trip. Back then, I found 'my best solution' on Blow Row without having to worry about WS, bar fines etc. And had a great time. Everyone to their own I suppose. It's definitely a shitty town to visit IMO, but when you have a tight 'gristle gripper' taking care of you at the right price and accompanied by a few drinks, there's nothing to consider about the 'good old days' _ Just my thoughts _ Phil.
WestCoast1
06-26-24, 10:57
All you have to do is watch the many recent videos of nightly walks of WS on youtube and you will see what you are in for. At least outside on the street. As for me, I enjoy it and I look forward to returning later this year. I am curious about what you consider 'blow row'. Up on perimeter near Garfield's? I've detailed my experience up there at Nifty's, which was weird, but not unpleasant. I'm going to check out more of those bars for daytime activities when I return. People also have said that the ROELGEORGE bar on A Santos offers daytime BJs. I've poked my head in there a couple of times but have not seen much interesting, and this video gives a little tour. Not sure where or with whom the BJs happen, but it's not to say I'm not against a relaxing daytime BJ if the vibe is right. Hell I'll give it a try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBQ53hccatI&t=2sTwo 'blow row' areas:
1) On A Santos street, where Philly is walking about in the vid (Party One bar). Pre-covid it had half a dozen ST bars where you could get a girl for half or 1/3 the price of LT gogo bars. There was no stage or dancing like the LT gogo bars, just girls sitting about waiting to be had. You could take the girl upstairs or into a back room for an hour and have your way with her, or just get a BJ. Many of the girls were expert knob cleaners. Or you could take the girl to your place for a few hours and turn her loose. You could get 2 girls for a few hours for less pesos than a full LT WS gogo bar.
2) Same over on Raymond St, just a block south of Phillies, pre-covid there were 4 such ST bars right next to the church in the curve where Raymond turns into Rosario St.
I think there are fewer such ST places, but Party One bar had relocated just around the corner from the video location, on to Vian St. There is another one located on Santos St, across the street from Bourbon hotel and Rob's Gastropub, next door to Uncle John's convenience store (see pic). ST bars also might double as a sari store. You can sit and buy a girl a drink if you like, or just point to one who you desire, pay the mama (last time I was there p1500 was typical) and take the girl. Never seen a blow-row girl say no to a barfine. Girls are typically older, 30-40's (similar to Perimeter) unable to work a WS gogo.
I am curious about what you consider 'blow row'. Up on perimeter near Garfield's? I've detailed my experience up there at Nifty's, which was weird, but not unpleasant. I'm going to check out more of those bars for daytime activities when I return. People also have said that the ROELGEORGE bar on A Santos offers daytime BJs. I've poked my head in there a couple of times but have not seen much interesting, and this video gives a little tour. Not sure where or with whom the BJs happen, but it's not to say I'm not against a relaxing daytime BJ if the vibe is right. Hell I'll give it a try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBQ53hccatI&t=2sHi George,
I think Westie has provided some great info for you in his reply regarding Blow Row and I can't add too much other than my experience.
A Santos has been very fruitful. Roelgeorge bar has some great history to it and although the girls are older, man can they work the magic. You're basically taken out the back to a little room which is not particularly pretty. The girls have told me the son of the original owners now runs the bar and basically sits in his office and is not to be seen. He could probably give the room a new coat of paint and touch up the decor and buy a new mattress.
But if you're after a BJ and a beer at 2 pm in the afternoon, it's a great place to relax.
It's not exactly a place that 'stands out like dog's balls' but it kind of feels like you're stepping into history when you walk through the door. It was the old Flaming Bar when the military was in town way back.
The girls are friendly and experienced. A BJ was about 1000. The last girl I had there offered full service after the BJ because I didn't taste too salty and had a clean (her words), circumcised member, which was my parent's decision (and not based on religion) 49 years ago and seemed a bit of a novelty to her.
I'll be returning soon for work and will update here with a field report. Just my experience. Phil.
Old And Ugly
06-26-24, 23:42
There is another one located on Santos St, across the street from Bourbon hotel and Rob's Gastropub, next door to Uncle John's convenience store (see pic). ST bars also might double as a sari store. You can sit and buy a girl a drink if you like, or just point to one who you desire, pay the mama (last time I was there p1500 was typical) and take the girl. Never seen a blow-row girl say no to a barfine. Girls are typically older, 30-40's (similar to Perimeter) unable to work a WS gogo.I used to rent an apartment above the bar in the pic, I saw the girls ten times a day, and they were very friendly, we always exchanged few words, but I never tried their services. Yes it is a BJ bar.
Also 10 ft to the right of the bar where the entrance to my apartment was, a skinny lady slept there at night in the doorway, she is probably a 5, and I saw her working in the BJ bar sometimes, I think she's not all there in the head. She never, ever asked for, but everyday I gave her money, 100-500 p hoping that my gesture will bring a glimpse of happiness in her life, but she was always acting weird, like she didn't know what to do with the money, almost like she didn't wanted to take it.
SouthEaster
06-27-24, 00:49
Hey WC. Thanks for the post, valuable info. I couldn't help but notice that the arrow on the photo points to a closed, locked door. A bit confused on how one gets inside!?
FuriousGeorge
06-27-24, 09:30
I've been to that Uncle John's a thousand times since I stay at Central park around the corner and buy my alcohol and gum there and drop my laundry off right next to the new Party One spot. And yes I've seen that place next to John's and there was always a lady sitting there knitting among the clutter and always wondered what was up. Google says the pic was taken February of this year, so I'm guessing it's closed since I've never seen doors on it during the day. Party One seemed weird. I've never gone in. Reolgeorge though, I'm going to check out the BJ options and report back. Another place I've always been curious about because I walk past it a lot on my way to Norma's. Next to Orchid Inn and Brown Sugar, there are always these girls sitting around doing nothing, all day long. They wave when I walk by. I figure it's got to be a similar setup going on.
WestCoast1
06-27-24, 09:38
Hey WC. Thanks for the post, valuable info. I couldn't help but notice that the arrow on the photo points to a closed, locked door. A bit confused on how one gets inside!?Photo not taken by me. Its a screen-capture from maps.google.com street view. The picture taken by google could be up to several years old, and the closed shop might have been several different businesses in that time, including being closed completely for periods of time. I was in AC several times in 2023, and briefly in 2024. During that time, the boarded up shop you see in the picture was a ST joint / sari store. Locals would stop by and buy cigarettes or soft drinks, and guys would stop in and chat the girls or take them back to his place for a while (p1500 barfine quoted to me by a girl there). Its barely big enough for several people to sit down inside. Can't remember the name of it.
Edited to include FG's Party One info. Girls there reported barfine 1500. Also utilized that lavndaria next door for my clothes numerous times. Should you need clothes washed on the other end, near Kandi or Tiger, there is more than one on Narcisco St, across from the 7-11, and at the corner of Josepha St.
Old And Ugly
06-29-24, 09:05
Hey WC. Thanks for the post, valuable info. I couldn't help but notice that the arrow on the photo points to a closed, locked door. A bit confused on how one gets inside!?Most likely the pic was taken in the early morning hours when the bar is closed. I used to live above the bar last year, but I passed by numerous times after that during my numerous visits to AC, and if it was closed it would had been kind of out of place for my eye, and remember it.
Reolgeorge though, I'm going to check out the BJ options and report back. Another place I've always been curious about because I walk past it a lot on my way to Norma's. Next to Orchid Inn and Brown Sugar, there are always these girls sitting around doing nothing, all day long. They wave when I walk by. I figure it's got to be a similar setup going on.Great post George. I've found over time it's just worth asking the question of the locals and hotel staff (However candid people want to be, these guys and girls aren't stupid and know you're in town for a naughty and some action. I can't think of another reason to visit Angeles besides a business trip) They all generally know what's going on and will probably get a cut out of any referrals. A theme that's present all over the Phils and can provide some great results from experience _ Phil.
The other week under the Friends and Family Plan I was introduced to an untouched 18 yo virgin. She was saving her virginity for later but wanted to explore. She was very shy and came conservatively dress under a full length denim dress. I wasn't sure until the dress came off, then what a lovely body with A cups. She was very shy so I asked if I could blindfold her? She nodded willingly.
Blindfolded and naked I started kissing and licking her nipples and slowly moved down to her soft patch of hair. Shit it doesn't get any better than this. She tasted As sweet as a mango! I repositioned her to the side of the bed with her legs dangling off the mattress and I on my knees on the floor with a pillow underneath. I placed her feet on my shoulders and slowly went to town for 20 minutes worshipping and devouring that YT.
Later while still blindfolded I introduced her to a sideways 69. She was a little reluctant at first but slowly sucked on it and the started to DT it. At the end I took her blindfold off and taught her to do a HJ. Her eyes turned so wide as she watched me explode!
Only in the PH! AC is not dead folks. Priceless!
Smarty3040
07-03-24, 03:49
Hello everyone,
I'll be visiting Angeles City for a few days. In Manila, there was good enjoyment in places like Maison, LIPS, and Marquee, especially the excellent in-bar service. Due to time constraints and accompanying travelers, I'm looking for similar go-go bars in Angeles where that same level of service is available right inside the bar. Hope good options are available in Angeles compared to Manila. Could you please suggest some places?
My PM is open, so you can inbox me as well.
Hello everyone,
I'll be visiting Angeles City for a few days. In Manila, there was good enjoyment in places like Maison, LIPS, and Marquee, especially the excellent in-bar service. Due to time constraints and accompanying travelers, I'm looking for similar go-go bars in Angeles where that same level of service is available right inside the bar. Hope good options are available in Angeles compared to Manila. Could you please suggest some places?
My PM is open, so you can inbox me as well.Where are your trip reports?
PM NapaSlapper for advice.
The other week under the Friends and Family Plan I was introduced to an untouched 18 yo virgin.
Only in the PH! AC is not dead folks. Priceless!Great report DG _ My only 'warning sign' is how can you be sure she is an 18 year old virgin and not possibly be younger? I'd personally just be very cautious when it comes to young ladies. I know I might face arguments opposite, but when you're getting to those of a young age there has to a be a lot of caution involved, for obvious reasons. Personally, I wouldn't go anywhere anyone that young when there is obviously a really seriously risk involved. Just my opinion. Phil.
Great report DG _ My only 'warning sign' is how can you be sure she is an 18 year old virgin and not possibly be younger? I'd personally just be very cautious when it comes to young ladies. I know I might face arguments opposite, but when you're getting to those of a young age there has to a be a lot of caution involved, for obvious reasons. Personally, I wouldn't go anywhere anyone that young when there is obviously a really seriously risk involved. Just my opinion. Phil.Thanks for your input. However I have known of this girl for a few years and her cousins. I am certain of her age along with seeing her ID a month before this happening. Of course always use caution. I would not go with an 18 yo without real verification.
Old And Ugly
07-04-24, 11:47
Hello everyone,
I'll be visiting Angeles City for a few days. In Manila, there was good enjoyment in places like Maison, LIPS, and Marquee, especially the excellent in-bar service. Due to time constraints and accompanying travelers, I'm looking for similar go-go bars in Angeles where that same level of service is available right inside the bar. Hope good options are available in Angeles compared to Manila. Could you please suggest some places?
My PM is open, so you can inbox me as well.Nothing like that in angeles city, except the BJ bars. Barfine your girl (s) and rent a room for 2 hours at fields hotel, smack in the middle of the action. Very clean, and cheap.
Expat American
07-04-24, 14:15
Hello everyone,
I'll be visiting Angeles City for a few days. In Manila, there was good enjoyment in places like Maison, LIPS, and Marquee, especially the excellent in-bar service. Due to time constraints and accompanying travelers, I'm looking for similar go-go bars in Angeles where that same level of service is available right inside the bar. Hope good options are available in Angeles compared to Manila. Could you please suggest some places?
My PM is open, so you can inbox me as well.You're about 10 years too late.
Thanks for your input. However I have known of this girl for a few years and her cousins. I am certain of her age along with seeing her ID a month before this happening. Of course always use caution. I would not go with an 18 yo without real verification.That's good to hear DG. I didn't mean in any way to be objectionable. It's just that there are various national agencies looking into the actions of foreigners and locals alike when it comes to 'relationships' with younger women in the Phils. My comment was more or less a warning for potential new visitors to the forum with those intentions, that action with young girls / women can be very risky. Philippine jails aren't pretty. An Australian lady friend of mine works for a charity rehabilitating inmates offering them job skills for when they're eventually released. And when it comes to getting in trouble with minors, your own country won't help you out At all. Phil.
Recently I had to get a 29 day visa extension. First I tried to do it online. Online sucks as I wasted 20 minutes registering and go no where.
So I went down to the local Bureau of Immigration located at Marquee Mall. As I walked in to the office there was no one manning the place. Then someone (fixer I assumed) walked in holding like 50 applications. Shit I knew it would be a long time.
I had noticed a business just before the BI office advertising visa service. I went back there and talked with them. They said it usually takes 2-3 hours if you applied yourself. And today it would be longer than 3 hours due to absent workers. The visa extension costs P3030. Fixer fee is P1000 and they would get it done in less than 2 hours. Hired them on the spot, gave them my passport and a cell number to let me know when it was ready. Went and did a few things and grocery shopping. 90 minutes later stopped by th fixer and he ran to BI and came back with the extension. Well worth it to me.
TwentyTwoTwos
07-05-24, 18:49
Just wondering guys, How often do you guys meet girls that claim to be virgins but nothing about their attitude resembles it. I'm talking to a couple 18 and 19 year olds that claim to be and want to lose their virginity but I don't believe them LOL just wondering if this is a common tactic young filipinas deploy.
TwentyTwoTwos
07-05-24, 20:47
Thanks for your input. However I have known of this girl for a few years and her cousins. I am certain of her age along with seeing her ID a month before this happening. Of course always use caution. I would not go with an 18 yo without real verification.To build a network like this you have to live there right? It's not possible for someone that visits for 4 weeks out of the year.
Recently I had to get a 29 day visa extension. FYI Immigration changed the time needed for extensions, before the rule was you could only extend it 7 days ahead of time or less. They must have had lots of issues with rush extensions so the new rule is minimum 10 (days to get an extension. If you walk in to immigration yourself you are automatically charged an extra 1000 for 'fast service'. If you use a visa agent who does the 5 day turnaround service you get the 1800 peso extension fee plus you pay the service fee of 600 pesos. After your first extension your allowed to get a 6 month extension but only in Manila and Cebu main office. 583 immigration here in Angeles will run your passport down to Manila for the 6 month service. And they'll also run your passport down to the US embassy and get you a new passport. I'd suggest doing a 6 month extension and then applying for a new passport if you need one.
Just wondering guys, How often do you guys meet girls that claim to be virgins but nothing about their attitude resembles it. I'm talking to a couple 18 and 19 year olds that claim to be and want to lose their virginity but I don't believe them LOL just wondering if this is a common tactic young filipinas deploy.
To build a network like this you have to live there right? It's not possible for someone that visits for 4 weeks out of the year.Girls love be to live in a fantasy land. It's very common for them to pretend to be good girls while sucking dick at any opportunity. Many girls remain virgins far longer than in the west* but many also like to maintain an illusion. Remember, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's not a zebra.
No you don't. It certainly helps but isn't essential. I'm not a resident now but have numbers I can call on upon arrival. You do need to be a repeat visitor though. Otherwise there is no way / reason to keep old numbers of preferred contacts. A pro tip is to train them that you are generous while in town but do not entertain calls, messages etc while back home. You don't need, and there is no benefit to, answering requests for assistance when you return home.
Maintaining that network is easy in the big cities where there is a stable population but harder in places like AC where girls are coming and leaving all the time. Just because a girl was great and gave you her number last trip, does not mean that she will still be there next time.
Enjoy. G.
P.S. * These girls will also be living a modest life in other ways too. She is unlikely to be in a gogo at 3 am in a Tuesday night, covered in tramp stamp tatts, drink alcohol like a fish of have friends who are all hookers. Girls aren't good for one aspect of their life and a wild child everywhere else.
To build a network like this you have to live there right? It's not possible for someone that visits for 4 weeks out of the year.You don't have to live here. You have to visit here. You can easily build a network the first week you are here. You have to be a nice person for a girl to recommend you to others, once she realizes you are not going to be your boyfriend. You also can't be a Cheap Charlie. Gift your girls somewhere a little less than a barfine amount. Ie. 3. 5 k to 4 k. Works for me.
Most girls here are novices from the provinces and will bring their provinces friends or cousins over. Let them swim in your hotel pool. Buy a few meals. You are here for a few weeks. Enjoy them. They are only here to fed their families back home. Don't listen to naysayers. Develop your own style. Be yourself. Let go of your problems and issues while you are here. Don't worry you will still have them back home. Problems and issues can be on hold. I knew of a person who couldn't let go and had a miserable time here.
BTW, the Koreans do not have all the prettiest girls.
Just wondering guys, How often do you guys meet girls that claim to be virgins but nothing about their attitude resembles it. I'm talking to a couple 18 and 19 year olds that claim to be and want to lose their virginity but I don't believe themUmmm, Warning signs maybe? It's basically a game for us and a game for the girls. They'll tell the new and uninitiated anything they want to hear. I've seen so many guys fall for it and do their balls over a girl who is hitting up on every other potential cash machine at the same time. If you're 'talking' to these girls online, then you're wasting your time in my opinion. Phil.
Girls love be to live in a fantasy land. It's very common for them to pretend to be good girls while sucking dick at any opportunity. Many girls remain virgins far longer than in the west* but many also like to maintain an illusion. Remember, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's not a zebra.
No you don't. It certainly helps but isn't essential. I'm not a resident now but have numbers I can call on upon arrival. You do need to be a repeat visitor though. Otherwise there is no way / reason to keep old numbers of preferred contacts. A pro tip is to train them that you are generous while in town but do not entertain calls, messages etc while back home. You don't need, and there is no benefit to, answering requests for assistance when you return home.
Maintaining that network is easy in the big cities where there is a stable population but harder in places like AC where girls are coming and leaving all the time. Just because a girl was great and gave you her number last trip, does not mean that she will still be there next time.
Enjoy. G.
P.S. * These girls will also be living a modest life in other ways too. She is unlikely to be in a gogo at 3 am in a Tuesday night, covered in tramp stamp tatts, drink alcohol like a fish of have friends who are all hookers. Girls aren't good for one aspect of their life and a wild child everywhere else.Couldn't have a said it better G. I visit on business 4 times a year, and only tonight I had a message from one of my contacts wondering when 'Sir' was coming back to town. You don't have to live in the Phils, but frequent visits make sex on tap possible when you return if you make contacts previously. For others looking to gain some contacts when in the Phils, keep in mind it's best you look as smart as you can (use deodorant. So many girl's have told me foreigners don't smell that great). Most of my contacts have nothing to do with the typical bar scene. For example, hotel staff and security staff hook-ups / referrals have been great. Even a taxi driver's niece. And there's no bar fines to worry about. Phil.
TwentyTwoTwos
07-06-24, 16:19
Girls love be to live in a fantasy land. It's very common for them to pretend to be good girls while sucking dick at any opportunity. Many girls remain virgins far longer than in the west* but many also like to maintain an illusion. Remember, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's not a zebra.
No you don't. It certainly helps but isn't essential. I'm not a resident now but have numbers I can call on upon arrival. You do need to be a repeat visitor though. Otherwise there is no way / reason to keep old numbers of preferred contacts. A pro tip is to train them that you are generous while in town but do not entertain calls, messages etc while back home. You don't need, and there is no benefit to, answering requests for assistance when you return home.
Maintaining that network is easy in the big cities where there is a stable population but harder in places like AC where girls are coming and leaving all the time. Just because a girl was great and gave you her number last trip, does not mean that she will still be there next time..Thanks for the response! Recently I've been vetting a lot of girls for my trip in about 2 months but the communication falls apart when I tell them I don't have any money for them. One girl started giving me one word answers and I had a fallout with another one and blocked her. After reading your post I realized maybe I shouldn't have burned the bridge before I banged her. I thought maybe the guys on this forum vet for girls as close to a week before landing because you can only tell a girl you don't have money for her for so long until she hates you. You need to get there quick. Or maybe most of them live there.
Most of my contacts have nothing to do with the typical bar scene. For example, hotel staff and security staff hook-ups / referrals have been great. Even a taxi driver's niece. Don't forget simply walking down the street and politely saying Hello,. I'm constantly amazed by the number of guys who think that the only available girls are in a gogo, strutting around a chrome pole at 3 am.
G.
..Recently I've been vetting a lot of girls for my trip in about 2 months but the communication falls apart when I tell them I don't have any money for them....Insert dramatic music. "And that's where he fucked up. ".
There is no need, or benefit, to start chatting months out. It just provides time for buffalo to die and requests to start rolling in. Much better to be boots on ground and to ask to meet now or after work.
My attempt at copious pre-work:
That's it, I'm soooo done putting in ground work on the online hookup sites!
This is doubly applicable if you're not even going to pay them once you are here. There certainly are freebies but there needs to be some benefit to her for meeting you. It can be straight out cash, it can be a nice meal and a night out, it might be you're a good looking guy, have a nice personality and are socially acceptable. Have you heard the saying "ass, grass or cash" as what is expected for helping a girl? Well this is the opposite.
If you do insist on chatting with her for months, then here needs to be reasons for her to do so.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
07-07-24, 00:16
Recently I've been vetting a lot of girls for my trip in about 2 months but the communication falls apart when I tell them I don't have any money for them. One girl started giving me one word answers and I had a fallout with another one and blocked her. Ding! Ding! Ding! Isn't this the story of gals everywhere?
NapaSlapper
07-07-24, 11:25
Ummm, Warning signs maybe? It's basically a game for us and a game for the girls. They'll tell the new and uninitiated anything they want to hear. I've seen so many guys fall for it and do their balls over a girl who is hitting up on every other potential cash machine at the same time. If you're 'talking' to these girls online, then you're wasting your time in my opinion. Phil.While some fantasists believe in the fairy tales the online girls spin most expats or seasoned visitors know that most of it is bull at best.
I have always said that when a pinays lips are moving she is 99% lying or bullshiting, its a national past time in the phills.
A word about online girls, yes there are many girls online, many girls that are willing to meet old foreigners for a nice meal and a fist full of dollars in exchange to see the colour of their panties, well guys, I think in most parts of the world they call these type of girls paid prostitutes, yet here in angeles some believe these type of girls are good girls and even virgins.
Fully agree with those that say good girl pinays can be found on occasion like girls that hold down a regular job like accounts, sales, bank, etc by approaching with caution and a smile or a Hello, What is important to note that although possible to meet good girls large age differences, looks differences are just not tolerated except in the fantasies of some.
Want a good girl pinay wife / girlfriend then one has to choose a girl of fairly similar age and looks (10-15 years age difference might be do able) but seldom more, one also has to put in the time to court such a girl, might have to wait weeks or months to get some action if at all, pretty much the same as any country the world over.
Thanks for the response! Recently I've been vetting a lot of girls for my trip in about 2 months but the communication falls apart when I tell them I don't have any money for them. One girl started giving me one word answers and I had a fallout with another one and blocked her. After reading your post I realized maybe I shouldn't have burned the bridge before I banged her. I thought maybe the guys on this forum vet for girls as close to a week before landing because you can only tell a girl you don't have money for her for so long until she hates you. You need to get there quick. Or maybe most of them live there.You are wasting their time and ours. Go watch some porno. Instead of jerking off onlne. You say you are going to go to the Philippines and won't even say how much you will pay or even pay something up front. Do you do that in your local butcher's, leer over the dead meat and waste the butcher's time while they are trying to service paying customers? Why do you expect Pinay hookers to waster time fulfilling your fantasies onlne when they have heard 10000 otehr losers say your very same words before.
You are a tire kicker. If you ain't buying, jog on.
Don't forget simply walking down the street and politely saying Hello,. I'm constantly amazed by the number of guys who think that the only available girls are in a gogo, strutting around a chrome pole at 3 am.
G.No need to worry about that G. Agreed _ A good walk has resulted in some amazing results. And continues to do so, even in the middle of the day or late afternoon. A simple 'kumusta' generally breaks the ice and then you're in. My experience over many years has been, if you know some basic Tagalog, it's to your advantage _ Phil.
Has anyone porked any of the street walkers who set up shop outside the Roman Hotel at the back of Johnnys. Pork famously goes off in hot weather and I am sure these veterans carry a dose or two of the pox. I have passed up those roads (there are a number of them) during the day and have kept my eyes averted. I have used Roman at night for short term and there are always plenty of freelancers about it but I have never loitered. Some have tried to ask to join my litle sex sessions but I always got the feeling they have seriouss drug, STI or other issues. Maybe I am just being snobbish, as well as curious.
TravelingMan3
07-07-24, 16:06
I was over in AC earlier June for about four days and thought the talent in bars gogos and clubs was very weak. I must say that I got there at like 0400 as I took the flight from Bangkok on Saturday so it was early Sunday morning. I also didn't go into Mega Dance that night (Didn't know that is the happening club now). I have something to do in AC the first week of October so booked a flight to Mnl in September and while it not the reason I'm going I'll check out the scene while there. Is my thinking correct that a lot of the chicks have moved online I got buddies who say they get chicks off of facebook and various dating sites and that the girls are cute. So to me that may be a reason the bars suck nowadays.
I couldn't see for my self as my tinder gold wasn't working and I don't have facebook. I plan to have tinder working this time to see. As I said in an earlier post the only attractive girls I saw were from Mega Dance and they weren't customers there just the bottle girls and the bikini dancers. The only place I saw improvement was the ladyboys that stand. On the street and at Paradise sports bar at the end of walking street are more attractive than they were nine years ago.
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