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While some fantasists believe in the fairy tales the online girls spin most expats or seasoned visitors know that most of it is bull at best...For those seeking some light comedy, there is no need to look beyond this very site. Lots of guys flying girls half way around the world, paying regular "allowances" or Pay Per Meets but insisting that money isn't the primary driver.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements
Locamotive
07-07-24, 23:08
Couldn't have a said it better G. I visit on business 4 times a year, and only tonight I had a message from one of my contacts wondering when 'Sir' was coming back to town. You don't have to live in the Phils, but frequent visits make sex on tap possible when you return if you make contacts previously. For others looking to gain some contacts when in the Phils, keep in mind it's best you look as smart as you can (use deodorant. So many girl's have told me foreigners don't smell that great). Most of my contacts have nothing to do with the typical bar scene. For example, hotel staff and security staff hook-ups / referrals have been great. Even a taxi driver's niece. And there's no bar fines to worry about. Phil.I do the same,4 times a year 2 to 3 weeks each visit. Regulars I think are the way to go as we know the girls do the same. Stay in contact a bit between returns and of course all of them say I will wait. Hahaha, same line I'm sure they use on everyone. Not often but a few times since there are regulars you may get attached, this is just human nature. This is the only pitfall I see vs the guys who just shop around every visit and don't do many if any repeats. Both ways have there trade offs. Regulars you hit the ground running plus they know you and you already have a connection. No guesswork, you know what you're getting. Drawback its possible to get hooked, I'm guilty of this too. Its easier for me to keep this in perspective once I get home and realize she is probably giving another guy a BJ as I type this and telling him the same bullshit. It is what it is, the monger lifestyle. Retiring there I think will be much different.
NapaSlapper
07-08-24, 02:00
Rain, rain and more rain, its hard to get motivated to hit the bars when its very wet, what does not help is the constant road works in and around walking street which turns the roads into muddy areas, but out we went over the last couple of weeks.
Its fair to say that bar hops over the last several months have been split barhops because my western friends refuse to go to or drink in the many korean oriented bars of walking street for the simple fact they cannot get any girl attention from the better girls in the korean bars, as the western bars are so few now days it can get pretty boring to visit the same few bars with mostly older fatter plain girls working there, but at least the girls tend to be friendly, will accept lady drinks and give some attention to punters.
My korean friends insist on drinking in the korean oriented bars which are many because they just don't like the look of the older girls in the western bars, I tend to agree with them when it comes to the girls.
Western bars seem to be having a hard time, their customers tend to be older expats in early for a couple of beers but the numbers of such are quite small with many bars having no customers at all and very few girls, in truth I go along to the western bars for a short while to catch up with friends but very seldom if not at all see anything worth buying a lady drink for.
Western oriented bars are geckos bar, lollipop bar, masquarade bar, champagne bar, they are all very near each other so can't be missed.
Korean oriented bars, these bars tend to be much better decorated, better ambience and better entertainment, some have great dance shows, they also have far higher number of slim, young, ok looking girls, its fair to say that all korean oriented bars are westerner friendly in as much as westerners are free to enter and buy themselves a beer and watch the shows, many girls here just do not bar fine with anyone, they earn great money from salaries, making it rain money, tips and of course large lady drinks commissions, of the girls that do fuck for a living then they tend to only choose asians as bed partners unfortunately.
Good korean oriented bars are xs bar, avalon bar, QBar, gold bar, madonna bar, between these bars there is a high chance of seeing the best angeles has to offer as far as better looking, slimmer, younger girls go.
I hear some wishfully say on this forum that westerners are the ones with the better looking girls on their arm, well I would have to disagree stronly, looking around the bars and the town by far the koreans have their choice amongst the better looking angeles girls, the westerners not so much so.
In summing up, I think its fair to say that the koreans have fully taken over angeles to a large extent, they are by far the most dominant punter numbers by a long way, they buy up all the available bars, the hotels, the restaurants, they have by far the better looking girls working in thier bars, have their own korean only van girl delivery service of girls and even their own police force, there is unfortunately new kings in town and they are called koreans.
Threadbare
07-08-24, 06:39
Hi, can someone on the ground in AC please tell me if the Envy Hotel is closed? I read and heard that the Envy bar and hotel is closed, someone else told me it's not closed. I have a reservation there in 2 weeks and they are not replying to emails. Thanks for your help.
WestCoast1
07-08-24, 06:45
Hi, can someone on the ground in AC please tell me if the Envy Hotel is closed? I read and heard that the Envy bar and hotel is closed, someone else told me it's not closed. I have a reservation there in 2 weeks and they are not replying to emails. Thanks for your help.I believe that I posted a picture last year, from the hotel entrance (Real St, next door to Body Shop gogo bar), showing a large sign saying that the hotel had closed. A month or so ago, it was reported here that the restaurant also closed. If you made the reservation thru Agoda or Booking or such, you can contact Agoda / Booking and find out. Also just look on Agoda / Booking and enter "Angeles City" in the search box. If the place is closed, then I would say you won't see any listing for Envy.
Threadbare
07-08-24, 07:27
I believe that I posted a picture last year, from the hotel entrance (Real St, next door to Body Shop gogo bar), showing a large sign saying that the hotel had closed. A month or so ago, it was reported here that the restaurant also closed. If you made the reservation thru Agoda or Booking or such, you can contact Agoda / Booking and find out. Also just look on Agoda / Booking and enter "Angeles City" in the search box. If the place is closed, then I would say you won't see any listing for Envy.Thanks WC. I stayed there in November, but there was a for sale sign up outside. I always deal with them direct. I haven't paid anything obviously, so I guess I need to find another place. I liked it because it was small, quiet and out of the way, no reception desk and no ID checks.
I hear some wishfully say on this forum that westerners are the ones with the better looking girls on their arm, well I would have to disagree stronly, looking around the bars and the town by far the koreans have their choice amongst the better looking angeles girls, the westerners not so much so.
Hi Napa,
Great observation / report and the same goes for Sabang. Of an evening when I'm having a few beers outside my room really early, I see a trail of Korean divers walking hand in hand with the best talent around. I must say the girls don't look that happy, but it's their pay packet and it obviously seems they're 'tied' to their employment engagement.
It's sad in a way as I'm all for helping out the girls and am against exploitation.
However, over time I've made some great contacts with girls in the Phills and away from the typical Go Go / Girly Bar scene.
They mightn't be the prettiest girls on the block, but man, they know how to deliver. Phil.
LoveItHere69
07-09-24, 07:18
Hi, can someone on the ground in AC please tell me if the Envy Hotel is closed? I read and heard that the Envy bar and hotel is closed, someone else told me it's not closed. I have a reservation there in 2 weeks and they are not replying to emails. Thanks for your help.You know that would be the perfect job for Mr. Boots On The Ground NapaSlapper. It would maybe cost him a whole 10 minutes of his time. Slight problem. He is not there.
NapaSlapper. You can help this guy out and prove you are there too.
Welcome to Angeles City, the previous home of Clark Air Force Base!
Caution: Long trip report.
This trip report will cover transportation, hotel, restaurants, and clubs / bars in Angeles City. For logistics and other notes, please refer to my trip report in the "Manila" section, #20336.
Transportation:
While in Angeles City, I used Grab or Trikes to get around. From Manila to Angeles City, I used Beeway and the cost was 3500 for a private car. Because of traffic, the trip took 2. 5 hours. From my hotel to pretty much anywhere I wanted to go cost 100 for trikes or 120 for Grab. To avoid the death trap trikes, I mostly used Grab.
Hotel:
I stayed at the ABC Hotel. It was an outstanding hotel with great rooms. The staff and service were excellent. I stayed in the Aqua Suite. One reason was because I was informed the room was very quiet and the other was because of the room layout. Was it girl friendly: YES. The hotel had two pools, one on the first floor and the other was on the 6th floor, rooftop bar. The rooftop bar was off the fucking hook; great spot to eat, drink, swim, and play! All the girls loved that place; I included.
Restaurants:
I did a lot of research before I left and here are my thoughts on the food scene:
Ikabud excellent.
Al Bacio very good.
Margarita Station good.
T-Backs OK.
Tequila Reef drinks very good, food okay.
Hotel excellent.
BTW, there was a place called Bretto's Deli and Coffee Shop that was rather close to my hotel and next to Bretto's was a liquor store. Between the both, I bought some decent wine and Patron Silver for the room / girls.
Clubs / Bars:
In each club / bar, I asked several questions and did my best to write the answers on my trusty note pad. Thus, if I am wrong with any of my notes, feel free to chime in with the correct information. I blew through many clubs / bars and will do my best to post the correct information.
All the clubs / bars I went to only had one price; the bar fine. The bar fine included the money for the girl. I will write down the information on the clubs on / near walking street. Then the second section will be about the perimeter road bars.
Clubs on / near walking street:
Club: La Bamba.
Lady's drink: 335.
Bar fine: Not possible.
Number of girls: 17.
Quality of the girls: OK to very good.
Night / Time: Saturday /8.
Comments: I asked about the price for the bar fine and I was told all girls work and they were only available after work.
Club: Champagne.
Lady's drink: 315.
Bar fine: I was told no, but yet I pulled a girl out of the place for 3500.
Number of girls: 30+.
Quality of the girls: OK to very good.
Night / Time: Saturday /8:30.
Comments: I think it was only the dancers that were not allowed to be bar fined. One of my favorite clubs.
Club: Bacarra.
Lady's drink: 150.
Bar fine: 4000/5000 depended on the girl.
Number of girls: 30.
Quality of the girls: Good to very good.
Night / Time: Saturday /9:15.
Comments: This was a nice place, but it had a weird set-up. None of the girls were dancing; they just stood, looked, and smiled.
Club: Angel Witch.
Lady's drink: 310.
Bar fine: 5000.
Number of girls: 20.
Quality of the girls: OK to good.
Night / Time: Saturday /10:15.
Comments: The place had a nice long stage and some of them were dancing. There were many chunky girls to be had.
Club: Lucifer.
Lady's drink: 350.
Bar fine: 4000.
Number of girls: A butt-load.
Quality of the girls: Good to hot.
Night / Time: Saturday /10:50.
Comments: This was a good size place. It had a confusing set-up, but I like the club. There were a few girls that wore thongs! Another favorite of mine.
Club: Lollipop.
Lady's drink: 350.
Bar fine: Not possible.
Number of girls: 30+.
Quality of the girls: Good to hot.
Night / Time: Saturday /11:30.
Comments: This was a great place, but the service sucked. I loved the black tape theme; the girls were as close to being naked as possible. Again, I asked about the price for the bar fine and I was told all girls work and they were only available after work. Another favorite of mine.
Club: Old Club.
Lady's drink: 300.
Bar fine: 4000.
Number of girls: 23.
Quality of the girls: Good to very good.
Night / Time: Sunday /10.
Comments: This place was good and had a nice line-up of girls.
Club: Insomnia.
Lady's drink: 300.
Bar fine: Not possible.
Number of girls: 15.
Quality of the girls: OK to very good.
Night / Time: Sunday /11.
Comments: Again, I asked about the price for the bar fine and I was told all girls work and they were only available after work.
Club: Zeus.
Lady's drink: 300.
Bar fine: 3000/4000 depended on the girl.
Number of girls: 12.
Quality of the girls: OK to very good.
Night / Time: Sunday /11:30.
Comments: This was a smaller place (if I remembered correctly) and tucked in between other clubs. The place was not special whatsoever.
Club: Carousel.
Lady's drink: 350.
Bar fine: 4000.
Number of girls: 20+.
Quality of the girls: Good to very good.
Night / Time: Sunday /11:45.
Comments: This was a larger club and even had a fucking carousel in the middle of the place. I liked the club.
Club: Q.
Lady's drink: 350.
Bar fine: 5000.
Number of girls: 20+.
Quality of the girls: Good to very good.
Night / Time: Sunday /12.
Comments: The best part about the place was all the girls were wearing thongs; woohoo! Another favorite of mine.
Club: Micko's.
Lady's drink: 300.
Bar fine: 5000.
Number of girls: 15.
Quality of the girls: Good to very good.
Night / Time: Monday /7:15.
Comments: This was a smaller place, so it seemed like there were a butt-load of girls, but I counted twice. I liked the place.
Club: SS.
Lady's drink: 300.
Bar fine: 4000.
Number of girls: 15.
Quality of the girls: Good to very good.
Night / Time: Tuesday /9:45.
Comments: A friend of mine and I sat down right in front of the girls and they never acknowledge that we existed; they completely ignored us. If I wanted that kind of treatment, I would get back with my x-wife! Fuck that place!
Club: Body Shop.
Lady's drink: 280.
Bar fine: 3500.
Number of girls: 15.
Quality of the girls: Good to very good.
Night / Time: Tuesday /10:15.
Comments: This was a nice place and they had a tank-top theme going; I liked the place. Another favorite of mine.
Club Elite It was only a lounge, no girls to be had.
Perimeter road bars: Most of these bars closed at 9 or 10. Many of these bars had an option for a small or regular size lady's drink; so ask!
Bar: Black Satin.
Lady's drink: 290.
Bar fine: 3500.
Number of girls: 12.
Quality of the girls: OK to good.
Night / Time: Sunday /7:30.
Comments: This was one of the larger bars in the area that I visited. The place was packed and I enjoyed the girls dancing.
Bar: Thunderbirds.
Lady's drink: 250.
Bar fine: Not possible.
Number of girls: 15.
Quality of the girls: OK to good.
Night / Time: Sunday /8.
Comments: Once again, I asked about the price for the bar fine and I was told all girls work and they were only available after work.
Bar: Candy.
Lady's drink: 300.
Bar fine: 2500.
Number of girls: 6.
Quality of the girls: OK to good.
Night / Time: Sunday /8:30.
Comments: This was a nice smaller place.
Bar: Moonlight.
Lady's drink: 300.
Bar fine: 2500.
Number of girls: 12.
Quality of the girls: OK to good.
Night / Time: Sunday /9.
Comments: This was another nice smaller place.
Bar: Gray Fox.
Lady's drink: 260.
Bar fine: 2500.
Number of girls: 8.
Quality of the girls: OK to good.
Night / Time: Sunday /9:30.
Comments: This was a small cozy place. Blowjobs were available in the bar for 1800. Stop by and say Hello, to Anna. Another favorite of mine.
Bar: Night Moves.
Lady's drink: 260.
Bar fine: 2500.
Number of girls: 8.
Quality of the girls: OK to good.
Night / Time: Tuesday /7:45.
Comments: This was another nice smaller place.
Bar: Showtime.
Lady's drink: 300.
Bar fine: 3000.
Number of girls: 5.
Quality of the girls: OK to a bit better than OK.
Night / Time: Tuesday /8:30.
Comments: This was another nice smaller place.
Bar: Emotions.
Lady's drink: 150 for a small drink.
Bar fine: 3000/4000 depended on the girl.
Number of girls: 12.
Quality of the girls: Good to very good.
Night / Time: Thursday /8.
Comments: This was the last bar of my trip and I really liked the place. It was 3 blocks away from my hotel and not close to the other perimeter bars. I was impressed and it was another favorite of mine.
There were 2 or 3 blowjob bars around the corner from Garfield's; I think one was called Rio. I went into one of them (I think it was called Sweety) where there were steps going down. The place looked pretty damn shabby. Sorry, I did not get any prices on either place.
Overall thoughts on Angeles City:
There was one thing I did not like about some of the clubs / bars, they did not allow girls to be bar fined; that doesn't not seem fair to the girls!
I really liked the city; there were way too many options of clubs / bars. I lost a couple of nights of romping because I went down for the count. I would have gone to more clubs / bars if I had those two nights available. Either way, I got a good taste of Angeles City.
I thought the city was quite safe and I never felt threaten in any manner. As a monger, I was impressed with volume of the clubs / bars and girls available. Overall, I had a great time! Would I recommend it to other mongers? Absolutely!
Como siempre, Solo mis dos pinche pesos, por supuesto!
Good korean oriented bars are xs bar, avalon bar, QBar, gold bar, madonna bar, between these bars there is a high chance of seeing the best angeles has to offer as far as better looking, slimmer, younger girls go.Why the hell do you keep listing Q Bar as a Korean oriented bar. This proves you have never been there. There is absolutely no criteria that anyone would label Q bar has Korean oriented. No Korean touts, no Korean papasans. Even the majority of the customers are non-Korean. You're reading the wrong reports! And the quality of that bar isn't that good, from the limited time I was there.
There are no Korean touts in front or Korean pappsans to help and greet you at XS and Avalon. There is a heavy presence of Korean customers in those bars. If that is your definition, that is it.
FuriousGeorge
07-10-24, 04:12
Good info, especially on the perimeter bars. But, EVERY bar has barfines. The fact that you listed Lollipop among the ones that don't, means something about your questioning was off. Lollipop is the king of barfines (and superstars in bed, in my experience). By closing time there are almost no girls left because they're all barfined. I've barfined around 30 of them. Probably not your fault. I think sometimes if the waitresses / girls get the vibe you're only there on an information gathering mission, they might play innocent and give you the answer you got.
Welcome to Angeles City, the previous home of Clark Air Force Base!
Caution: Long trip report.
..I think sometimes if the waitresses / girls get the vibe you're only there on an information gathering mission, they might play innocent and give you the answer you got.No offence to Tom but a new face going to multiple bars, asking about prices for taking a girl back to your room, but not taking anyone, screams a police sting and would make many bars and workers therein very nervous.
Police and NGOs have used foreigners to gather evidence many times in the past.
BTW, I'd agree. A great report.
G.
No offence to Tom but a new face going to multiple bars, asking about prices for taking a girl back to your room, but not taking anyone, screams a police sting and would make many bars and workers therein very nervous..
Good info, especially on the perimeter bars. But, EVERY bar has barfines. The fact that you listed Lollipop among the ones that don't, means something about your questioning was off. Lollipop is the king of barfines (and superstars in bed, in my experience). By closing time there are almost no girls left because they're all barfined. I've barfined around 30 of them. Probably not your fault. I think sometimes if the waitresses / girls get the vibe you're only there on an information gathering mission, they might play innocent and give you the answer you got.Thank you both for your input. This was my format I used in every country. I have no idea what really goes on in AC, but I go in, gather information, and the leave. As far as Lollipop, I only reported what I was told, please do not kill the messenger.
Old And Ugly
07-10-24, 07:06
There was one thing I did not like about some of the clubs / bars, they did not allow girls to be bar fined; that doesn't not seem fair to the girls!
You asked the wrong person, or you asked in a wrong way, I barfined girls from all those clubs multiple times. As Goferring said, maybe something about you made them think you have some sort of law enforcement connection.
WestCoast1
07-10-24, 07:54
Probably not your fault. I think sometimes if the waitresses / girls get the vibe you're only there on an information gathering mission, they might play innocent and give you the answer you got.
No offence to Tom but a new face going to multiple bars, asking about prices for taking a girl back to your room, but not taking anyone, screams a police sting and would make many bars and workers therein very nervous. Police and NGOs have used foreigners to gather evidence many times in the past.
As Goferring said, maybe something about you made them think you have some sort of law enforcement connection.Agreed. Over the last year, both AC and Burgos, have often got the requested info instantly. At other times the girl, then a waitress, then a mama had been coy about it. Usually when I was alone. However one early evening at Lollipop, there with a mate who is a regular there, several different waitresses were coy about giving the barfine amount. Also never since the covid re-opening did anyone tell me that there was NO barfine. By coy, I mean they pretended not to know the amount, they called over another gogo girl or waitress (who also pretended not to know), and finally a mama came over to give me the scoop.
Yet another reason for westerners to stay out of AC. If you are looking for the cheap (er / est) barfines on WS, you will need to ask the barfine amount (s) in each bar (and reasonably you should not have to invest in a drink to find out; you wouldn't be required buy something at Tequila Reef in order to find out the burrito cost). Most western visitors there are lone wolves, meaning it will be difficult for them to ascertain prices just because they are alone. Also if multiple bars (as reported by T-J) are willing to forgo a barfine, it shows a lack of desperation (as does much of the new post-covid operational procedures) to a degree that says there are better options outside of WS and AC.
Great descriptive report TJack.
FuriousGeorge
07-10-24, 08:06
If I'm in AC I like to watch sexy girls on stage while I drink. That drink costs me USD $3. If I want a girl to come over in a barely-there bikini and drink with me while I chat with her and grab her boobs and she strokes my dick, well that's another $6 USD. Then, if the vibe is right, I get to take her back to my posh hotel and have bareback sex with her for as long as I want for around $100 USD (including tip). My brothers, I can't think of a better way to spend my time and money.
Yet another reason for westerners to stay out of AC. If you are looking for the cheap (er / est) barfines on WS, you will need to ask the barfine amount (s) in each bar (and reasonably you should not have to invest in a drink to find out; you wouldn't be required buy something at Tequila Reef in order to find out the burrito cost). Most western visitors there are lone wolves, meaning it will be difficult for them to ascertain prices just because they are alone. Also if multiple bars (as reported by T-J) are willing to forgo a barfine, it shows a lack of desperation (as does much of the new post-covid operational procedures) to a degree that says there are better options outside of WS and AC.
Great descriptive report TJack.
If I'm in AC I like to watch sexy girls on stage while I drink. That drink costs me USD $3. If I want a girl to come over in a barely-there bikini and drink with me while I chat with her and grab her boobs and she strokes my dick, well that's another $6 USD. Then, if the vibe is right, I get to take her back to my posh hotel and have bareback sex with her for as long as I want for around $100 USD (including tip). My brothers, I can't think of a better way to spend my time and money.You mean for as long as SHE wants.
AC pay before model gives all the leverage to the girls and plenty run off after the first round.
Expat American
07-10-24, 09:02
If I'm in AC I like to watch sexy girls on stage while I drink. That drink costs me USD $3. If I want a girl to come over in a barely-there bikini and drink with me while I chat with her and grab her boobs and she strokes my dick, well that's another $6 USD. Then, if the vibe is right, I get to take her back to my posh hotel and have bareback sex with her for as long as I want for around $100 USD (including tip). My brothers, I can't think of a better way to spend my time and money.Many bars the girls now wear dresses or street clothes. And there is definitely not nudity. There goes point 1. Many girls just sit there like a doll when you buy a drink. Only a few bars have any playtime in the bar. There goes point 2. Girls who do proper overnight are getting rarer. And now there are reports of AC girls demanding condoms. So point 3 is on its way out. There are better places than AC to spend your money. You can still get what you describe but its something you have to go hunting for, rather than available at every bar. After the cost of flights and hotels and dealing with the shit hole of a city and crappy food, it doesn't add up for me any more. I used to love the place and have incredible memories and many gigs of pics and videos from 2004-2016 but I really won't go there anymore.
WestCoast1
07-10-24, 12:25
If I'm in AC I like to watch sexy girls on stage while I drink. That drink costs me USD $3. If I want a girl to come over in a barely-there bikini and drink with me while I chat with her and grab her boobs and she strokes my dick, well that's another $6 USD. Then, if the vibe is right, I get to take her back to my posh hotel and have bareback sex with her for as long as I want for around $100 USD (including tip). My brothers, I can't think of a better way to spend my time and money.That's pretty much the way we do it. However, you can ask the price of the beer before ordering, and you have every opportunity to bug out if the waitress says "I am not sure", or "I don't know as I am working here one month only". Both of those are not only incorrect answers, they would be bullsh*it answers. It means that she has been told not to answer. Lying to the customer (call it 'disingenuous' if you like) is literally reason to not go in there, and not go to AC at all for newbs, as newbs like T-Jackin' must ask in every bar they enter. Its tempting to ask how long this system lasts if it drives away customers. Today however, it doesn't drive away the important (K) customers. T-Jackin' lost drink money in every lying bar he went into, as he was not aware that he had no opportunity to barfine when he walked in the door.
About middle-2010's, I and others reported of a police crackdown in AC. Several bars were raided within a 2-week span (rescuing girls). Fear of mentioning barfines set in all of the bars. However the bars got around that quickly by telling inquiring customers to simply pay the girl any amount he thought was appropriate the following morning. This whole thing lasted only a month or so, but it was indicative of the bar's need to survive (getting *any* barfine amount from the customer is better than *no* barfine). Today's bars are no longer in that position, and they can just blow off lone-wolf westerners.
Pre-pay, price-gouging, increased runners in the night, lying about prices, girls tricking customers into buying LD's and then not barfining, a pro-K / anti-westerner bent, and girls not in bikinis. Patts looks better, and the Phils immigration numbers show it. More girls for FG and me.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1053908/philippines-number-of-foreign-visitor-tourist-arrivals/
Why the hell do you keep listing Q Bar as a Korean oriented bar. This proves you have never been there. There is absolutely no criteria that anyone would label Q bar has Korean oriented. No Korean touts, no Korean papasans. Even the majority of the customers are non-Korean. You're reading the wrong reports! And the quality of that bar isn't that good, from the limited time I was there.
There are no Korean touts in front or Korean pappsans to help and greet you at XS and Avalon. There is a heavy presence of Korean customers in those bars. If that is your definition, that is it.These are RRR.
Rerun reports. Pretty simple easy reports with change of dates.
Good info, especially on the perimeter bars. But, EVERY bar has barfines. The fact that you listed Lollipop among the ones that don't, means something about your questioning was off. Lollipop is the king of barfines (and superstars in bed, in my experience). By closing time there are almost no girls left because they're all barfined. I've barfined around 30 of them. Probably not your fault. I think sometimes if the waitresses / girls get the vibe you're only there on an information gathering mission, they might play innocent and give you the answer you got.I concur. I have barfined countless girls there. Sometimes the bars get paranoid and disavow they do barfines. Especially to first timers. They might use a different word for it.
.... There are better places than AC to spend your money. You can still get what you describe but its something you have to go hunting for, rather than available at every bar....
After the cost of flights and hotels and dealing with the shit hole of a city and crappy food, it doesn't add up for me any more. I used to love the place and have incredible memories and many gigs of pics and videos from 2004-2016 but I really won't go there anymore.
...Lying to the customer (call it 'disingenuous' if you like) is literally reason to not go in there...
Its tempting to ask how long this system lasts if it drives away customers. Today however, it doesn't drive away the important (K) customers....
About middle-2010's, I and others reported of a police crackdown in AC...This whole thing lasted only a month or so, but it was indicative of the bar's need to survive (getting *any* barfine amount from the customer is better than *no* barfine). Today's bars are no longer in that position, and they can just blow off lone-wolf westerners.
Pre-pay, price-gouging, increased runners in the night, lying about prices, girls tricking customers into buying LD's and then not barfining, a pro-K / anti-westerner bent, and girls not in bikinis. Patts looks better, and the Phils immigration numbers show it. More girls for FG and me...AC still has a purpose as part of a larger Philippines visit. It's airport is a handy transit / stopover point where someone can have some fun on the way through. However, I'd wholeheartedly agree that it's not worth flying in just to monger there.
Unfortunately, there are many old guard locations in Asia and Latam that are certainly worth flying into and never leaving. They often come with fringe benefits beyond just attractive girls: good food, hotels, other things to do etc. Add to these the newer places who are just entering the part time mongers' radar.
AC has been a failing business model for years now. In a time when the whole world is turning to customer reviews and experiences to drive business, AC really does stick out as one of the very few that demands 100% upfront payment with no guarantee of delivery of the agreed services and no intention of assisting if the customer doesn't get what he ordered.
The white foreign customer really has the least amount of bargaining power of all the parties involved. For numerous reasons already mentioned as nauseum, K bois are the preferred customers. Whitey must therefore go to the few remaining bars who will be charitable enough to accept his money and he must accept what ever terms they offer. If he doesn't like it, then it's of no consequence to the bar. Then there is the group with the real power in the equation: the girls. Any mildly attractive girl now has numerous options to making serious money with out even setting foot in a bar so any that do can literally name their terms. If any guy or bar doesn't like it, then she has many alternatives waiting to accept at a moment's notice.
Are there ways of still having fun in AC? Of course. However, the days of sin city where the average white punter being the big dick in town are well and truly over.
FuriousGeorge
07-10-24, 18:57
There is a ton of nudity in AC in the 'fun' bars. I was in Q bar and a guy paid for all the girls to take their tops off. For the next hour, everyone was topless, without exception. In Lollipop and others (usually the ones with the giant pitcher of rum and coke for the girls to pour themselves) girls will often just dance topless on stage. Buying a girl a drink gets you at minimum an arm around her and ass cupping. Many will let you grab a boob if you're not a creep, and a plenty will give you a nice dick rub over the pants, hoping to entice you into a barfine (smart technique I must admit). As for point 2, I personally don't care if they stay overnight. I take full advantage of the evening time and I make it last, and have no problem sleeping alone. I haven't used a condom there in 7 years and never will again. Anecdotal, I know.
Believe me, I understand that AC isn't for everyone. But it is for some of us.
Many bars the girls now wear dresses or street clothes. And there is definitely not nudity. There goes point 1. Many girls just sit there like a doll when you buy a drink. Only a few bars have any playtime in the bar. There goes point 2. Girls who do proper overnight are getting rarer. And now there are reports of AC girls demanding condoms. So point 3 is on its way out. There are better places than AC to spend your money. You can still get what you describe but its something you have to go hunting for, rather than available at every bar. After the cost of flights and hotels and dealing with the shit hole of a city and crappy food, it doesn't add up for me any more. I used to love the place and have incredible memories and many gigs of pics and videos from 2004-2016 but I really won't go there anymore.
DzikaBomba
07-10-24, 20:07
sex with her for as long as I want for around $100 USD (including tip). My brothers, I can't think of a better way to spend my time and money.So sad. I want to cry. Please go to Costa Rica instead. Its suited for Guys like you.
Many bars the girls now wear dresses or street clothes. And there is definitely not nudity. There goes point 1. Many girls just sit there like a doll when you buy a drink. Only a few bars have any playtime in the bar. There goes point 2. Girls who do proper overnight are getting rarer. And now there are reports of AC girls demanding condoms. So point 3 is on its way out. There are better places than AC to spend your money. You can still get what you describe but its something you have to go hunting for, rather than available at every bar. After the cost of flights and hotels and dealing with the shit hole of a city and crappy food, it doesn't add up for me any more. I used to love the place and have incredible memories and many gigs of pics and videos from 2004-2016 but I really won't go there anymore.Quote " There are better places than AC to spend your money. " Agree its a shithole and not for everyone but if you take it for what it is. Purely a whoring destination. Then allowances could be made.
So where do you suggest or by " hunting" do you mean online? Esp if a guy wants a bar scene type of experience.
NI.
FuriousGeorge
07-11-24, 01:26
I have had many acquaintances who've been to Central and South America, and they all say that condoms are the norm there. I have no interest in that. Too bad, because my Spanish is excellent.
So sad. I want to cry. Please go to Costa Rica instead. Its suited for Guys like you.
Apprenticed
07-11-24, 02:28
Does anyone have had any experience with Tinder to meet with girls for sex?
I'm planning to go to AC but a bit concerned with the reports I've been seeing on bars.
Don't know if street girls could be an option.
I'm interested in hearing thoughts about Tinder or any other dating web sites and if anybody had success with them and what prices did they pay for the service.
Does anyone have had any experience with Tinder to meet with girls for sex?
I'm planning to go to AC but a bit concerned with the reports I've been seeing on bars.
Don't know if street girls could be an option.
I'm interested in hearing thoughts about Tinder or any other dating web sites and if anybody had success with them and what prices did they pay for the service.Skip Tinder. It's full of bakla and girls with totally unrealistic expectations. Much better to play nicely and find bargirls who are happy to work overtime on the way to / from work.
Others will have more up to date info than me but I've never seen an AC street walker that isn't truely horrific. If there is a diamond in the rough, I would be asking why she isn't working in a bar. Normally there is a reason why an attractive girl isn't allowed to enter the bars. Buyer beware.
Lots of attractive girls online offering their service. Some are bar girls (see above) available during the day. I've had good results from PinaLove and Philippine Cupid. Prices are all over the place. A roughy for 1500ST is doable as is a half decent all nighter for 3/4/5 k. Note that freelancers and online girls often give better performance and less dramas because they are the opposite of bars: 100% of their pay is at risk until after the deed.
Enjoy. G.
FuriousGeorge
07-11-24, 09:19
I agree with the previous. Tinder is roughly 30% ladyboys, 40% local girls who want to date and marry a foreigner, 20% where it's unclear. They'll probably accept cash for fun but who knows, and then the final 10% are obviously working girls. None are as attractive as their pictures. When I was green in AC I used Tinder, and yes I got some freebies, but they also then thought I was their boyfriend and didn't want to leave. Go bar hopping, find the girl that floats your boat, pay a little more, and enjoy.
Skip Tinder. It's full of bakla and girls with totally unrealistic expectations. Much better to play nicely and find bargirls who are happy to work overtime on the way to / from work. Enjoy. G.You make an excellent point here G. Bar girls working freelance are a good catch. And they love the extra cash and the performance has always been better when they're their own boss and not 'contracted' to the T & Conditions of a bar which generally breeds laziness. Additionally, if you can hook up with one who's providing a service 'off the books' you're basically sorted for your entire stay. Just from experience. Phil.
...Additionally, if you can hook up with one who's providing a service 'off the books' you're basically sorted for your entire stay. Just from experience. Phil.Don't get me started on the benefits of hookers as girlfriends. Lots of fond memories there. 😍.
G.
Thanks for your input. However I have known of this girl for a few years and her cousins. I am certain of her age along with seeing her ID a month before this happening. Of course always use caution. I would not go with an 18 yo without real verification.It is true. You are as young as the bodies you feel!
5 days later the sweet 18 yo came back by. She wanted to explore while keeping her virginity. I obliged. Started off with some kissing and then all her prudish clothes came off. What a magnificent untouched (except me one time) body. I started with massaging her back, buttocks, inner thighs and legs. Turned her over and massaging her breasts.
And moving to her patch. Then devouring her patch.
Had her start a light BJ and HJ finished. She is getting better at each.
Made me feel like a teenager again. It is true. You are as young as the bodies you feel!
Don't get me started on the benefits of hookers as girlfriends. Lots of fond memories there. 😍.
G.Especially the ones on merit and performance basis. Also they are fully aware they will age out someday.
Samsungskruf
07-13-24, 02:30
Planning to meet up with two different sets of girls, in addition to some additional dates I got set up.
Can anyone point me in the direction of a suitable 5 star hotel / condo?
Planning to meet up with two different sets of girls, in addition to some additional dates I got set up.
Can anyone point me in the direction of a suitable 5 star hotel / condo?Dude, just plug 5 star and Angeles into any booking site.
It's not as if there are a thousand choices. Even those listed as 5 star are stretching the definition.
G.
Expat American
07-13-24, 10:17
Made me feel like a teenager again. It is true. You are as young as the bodies you feel!So I'm 38 cause I had a 3 some with two 19 yo. LOL.
WestCoast1
07-13-24, 11:31
Dude, just plug 5 star and Angeles into any booking site. It's not as if there are a thousand choices. Even those listed as 5 star are stretching the definition.
Planning to meet up with two different sets of girls, in addition to some additional dates I got set up. Can anyone point me in the direction of a suitable 5 star hotel / condo?Eleven posts over 13 years. Not a single descriptive FR in a decade. More questions than a bottle of medicine has pills. A serious failure to RTTF, and also using Google / Agoda.
However because I'm the nicest bloke, I will recommend ABC hotel, Field's Plaza, Kandi Towers, and airbnb.
Planning to meet up with two different sets of girls, in addition to some additional dates I got set up.
Can anyone point me in the direction of a suitable 5 star hotel / condo?Mate, I think you're dreaming if you want to get a serious response to your message. I may do 5 star girlies (or even 3 stars in the looks department if the result is amazing) but I don't do 5 star hotels. If you've got that sort of money, why are you asking here and not looking online? And is there such thing as a 5 star hotel in Angeles? The place is basically a shithole, but I enjoy the benefits I find on regular business trips. Phil.
NapaSlapper
07-14-24, 10:37
Why the hell do you keep listing Q Bar as a Korean oriented bar. This proves you have never been there. There is absolutely no criteria that anyone would label Q bar has Korean oriented. No Korean touts, no Korean papasans. Even the majority of the customers are non-Korean. You're reading the wrong reports! And the quality of that bar isn't that good, from the limited time I was there.
There are no Korean touts in front or Korean pappsans to help and greet you at XS and Avalon. There is a heavy presence of Korean customers in those bars. If that is your definition, that is it.And you know this how? By your own admissions your last very short angeles visit was last year, the 1st one for you in a few years, so not sure what up to date information or experience you can offer this board.
As someone that lives and works very near angeles and is in the bars very often expecially Q bar then my up to date information, visits and experiences show that in fact Qbar is heavily populated with korean customers hence why I call it korean orientated, no I did not say korean owned as it is not but over countless recent visits to QBar all other customers except me were koreans so stating Korea oriented is 100% correct info IMHO.
Seems like an up to date visit to both angeles and Bangkok is well over due to get yourself some 1st hand up to date experiences so that you don't quote misinformation like your misinformation of angeles XS bar is not run by koreans and also has a korean manager and your recent claims of no nudity could be found in thai bars of nana plaza Bangkok until you were corrected by a fellow board members who lives in Bangkok stating that in fact you did not know what you were talking about and that there are several such bars in nana plaza just as I had correctly said and written previously in the angeles forum.
Not trying to be mean but please if you are going to troll and try to discredit other members then at least get your fact right 1st, thanks.
NapaSlapper
07-14-24, 11:25
AC still has a purpose as part of a larger Philippines visit. It's airport is a handy transit / stopover point where someone can have some fun on the way through. However, I'd wholeheartedly agree that it's not worth flying in just to monger there.
Unfortunately, there are many old guard locations in Asia and Latam that are certainly worth flying into and never leaving. They often come with fringe benefits beyond just attractive girls: good food, hotels, other things to do etc. Add to these the newer places who are just entering the part time mongers' radar.
AC has been a failing business model for years now. In a time when the whole world is turning to customer reviews and experiences to drive business, AC really does stick out as one of the very few that demands 100% upfront payment with no guarantee of delivery of the agreed services and no intention of assisting if the customer doesn't get what he ordered.
The white foreign customer really has the least amount of bargaining power of all the parties involved. For numerous reasons already mentioned as nauseum, K bois are the preferred customers. Whitey must therefore go to the few remaining bars who will be charitable enough to accept his money and he must accept what ever terms they offer. If he doesn't like it, then it's of no consequence to the bar. Then there is the group with the real power in the equation: the girls. Any mildly attractive girl now has numerous options to making serious money with out even setting foot in a bar so any that do can literally name their terms. If any guy or bar doesn't like it, then she has many alternatives waiting to accept at a moment's notice.
Are there ways of still having fun in AC? Of course. However, the days of sin city where the average white punter being the big dick in town are well and truly over.Words of a wise man with correct knowledge from you, agree with most of what you say here.
Angeles has indeed changed over the last 10 to15 years to almost being unrecognisable to back in the day and in truth many other asian destinations offer far more attractive, willing girls at lower over all costs.
100% agree that angeles is now a korean town, they are 100% the new kings, they control the few better looking, slimmer, younger girls.
Mr westerner has to unfortunately settle for what the koreans reject in order to get any attention or to get laid in the bars of angeles, it is what it is comes to mind.
Apprenticed
07-15-24, 17:33
Skip Tinder. It's full of bakla and girls with totally unrealistic expectations. Much better to play nicely and find bargirls who are happy to work overtime on the way to / from work.
Lots of attractive girls online offering their service. Some are bar girls (see above) available during the day. I've had good results from PinaLove and Philippine Cupid. Prices are all over the place. A roughy for 1500ST is doable as is a half decent all nighter for 3/4/5 k. Note that freelancers and online girls often give better performance and less dramas because they are the opposite of bars: 100% of their pay is at risk until after the deed.
Enjoy. G.So, are you suggesting that I could just go to the bars and just ask directly to the girls if they meet with me after work (and get their WhatsApp number)?
I am very interested in understanding how to get to the freelancers. Are there bars specific for freelancers or any girl could be a freelancer?
So, are you suggesting that I could just go to the bars and just ask directly to the girls if they meet with me after work (and get their WhatsApp number)?
I am very interested in understanding how to get to the freelancers. Are there bars specific for freelancers or any girl could be a freelancer?Yes, you can get girls' numbers in many bars. Officially bars don't allow it but it happens. Just don't be too blatant about it lest it cause some issues for the girl. Note that odds of success are much higher if you bar fine the girl first then agree to meet again later off the books. If you want to avoid the bars all together, then the easiest method to find girls working overtime is online. Many girls' profile pics include selfies inside the bar or in numerous hotel rooms.
Freelancers are street walkers (rough), online or at freelancer bars. The main bars with freelancers / no barfines are Mega and Aqua. Many bargirls go to Mega after work to try to score (another) customer for the night. Aqua can have some very attractive girl packs who come up from Manila to party for the weekend while Daddy is away.
Good luck. G.
ILuvBrownGirls
07-16-24, 02:17
If you have been going to AC for any period of time, there are songs that in an instant bring you back to trike fumes and freshly shaved brown pussy. Here are my honorable mentions:
1. Dangerous by Roxette (definitely a song that generations of bargirls have danced to).
2. Shoot to Thrill by AC / DC.
3. Empire State of Mind by Jay-Z.
4. We No Speak Americano by DCUP and Yolanda Be Cool.
5. Poker Face by Lady Gaga.
I know some of these are kinda dated but Dangerous is still in heavy rotation.
Add to the list!
If you have been going to AC for any period of time, there are songs that in an instant bring you back to trike fumes and freshly shaved brown pussy. Here are my honorable mentions:
1. Dangerous by Roxette (definitely a song that generations of bargirls have danced to).
2. Shoot to Thrill by AC / DC.
3. Empire State of Mind by Jay-Z.
4. We No Speak Americano by DCUP and Yolanda Be Cool.
5. Poker Face by Lady Gaga.
I know some of these are kinda dated but Dangerous is still in heavy rotation.
Add to the list!Fun game. Ask the girls what some of the lines from the song mean. You would be surprised how many don't know what a "poker face" is.
Yes, you can get girls' numbers in many bars. Officially bars don't allow it but it happens. Just don't be too blatant about it lest it cause some issues for the girl.
Good luck. G.Great feedback G. I've been discreet 'off the books' and honestly, once the girls are working outside of their 'restrictions' it's a much better personal service at a better price. They all do WhatsApp. From experience, they'll all work freelance unless they're 'raw' and don't want to jeopardize their relationship with their new pimp / bar owner / mama. Phil.
Great feedback G. I've been discreet 'off the books' and honestly, once the girls are working outside of their 'restrictions' it's a much better personal service at a better price. They all do WhatsApp. From experience, they'll all work freelance unless they're 'raw' and don't want to jeopardize their relationship with their new pimp / bar owner / mama. Phil.Be extremely discreet getting numbers in the bar. As NS stated earlier that the Filipino bouncers will drag you out into the street and best the hell out of you. Just because I haven't been beaten nor have I ever seen a besting taking place on WS doesn't mean NS isn't telling the truth.
ILuvBrownGirls
07-17-24, 22:43
Fun game. Ask the girls what some of the lines from the song mean. You would be surprised how many don't know what a "poker face" is.They probably assume it is what the client does to them once they get to ABC.
If you have been going to AC for any period of time, there are songs that in an instant bring you back to trike fumes and freshly shaved brown pussy. Here are my honorable mentions:
1. Dangerous by Roxette (definitely a song that generations of bargirls have danced to).
2. Shoot to Thrill by AC / DC.
3. Empire State of Mind by Jay-Z.
4. We No Speak Americano by DCUP and Yolanda Be Cool.
5. Poker Face by Lady Gaga.
I know some of these are kinda dated but Dangerous is still in heavy rotation.
Add to the list!6. Hotel California.
100% agree that angeles is now a korean town, they are 100% the new kings, they control the few better looking, slimmer, younger girls.
Mr westerner has to unfortunately settle for what the koreans reject in order to get any attention or to get laid in the bars of angeles, it is what it is comes to mind.Whats interesting is the Korean barfine for short time can be as low as 3000, sometimes 3500 for 3 hours. Compare that to the western bars prices at 5000 and the girls only want to do one shot it might make sense to take some of the leftovers.
Be extremely discreet getting numbers in the bar. As NS stated earlier that the Filipino bouncers will drag you out into the street and best the hell out of you. Just because I haven't been beaten nor have I ever seen a besting taking place on WS doesn't mean NS isn't telling the truth.Agree DG, not necessarily getting their details in a bar.
It's when you get them back into your room, you get their details.
Then you can negotiate off-site for future hook-ups.
I've had at least eight contacts lined up this way. It's now a personal mutual 'negotiation' and works out fine as the girl gets all my cash. I don't have to pay bar fines, hugely unreasonably prices for lady drinks that are basically fruit juice, and then the bar tender putting his hand out for money too.
If the girls are better off from my contribution, I'm happy with that _ Phil.
Agree DG, not necessarily getting their details in a bar.
It's when you get them back into your room, you get their details.
Then you can negotiate off-site for future hook-ups.
I've had at least eight contacts lined up this way. It's now a personal mutual 'negotiation' and works out fine as the girl gets all my cash. I don't have to pay bar fines, hugely unreasonably prices
for lady drinks that are basically fruit juice, and then the bar tender putting his hand out for money too.
If the girls are better off from my contribution, I'm happy with that _ Phil.Last I went a few years ago, I was able to get many numbers from the bars. It was discreetly, but everyone could see we both had our phones out. It was after the bars closed and I saw the girl on the street, with a mamasan behind that she made a fuss. It looked like I was picking her up right after the bar closed, in front of everyone, but it was.
Coincidence I woke up late and was looking for fun. After hour or so, messaged her and she could join me before work. If you do try to get numbers at the bar, you'll want to tip the staff and mamasan. Probably won't be cheaper than buying drinks but you can negotiate a bit off the bar fine. However, I don't think it's necessary, you'll waste a lot of time trying to get her after the bar closes. I prefer LT so if you see her next day, it'll be ST. And the diff will be around $20 usd. That's best about PH, everything is for LT, most of time. Enjoy, collect all the numbers you can.
Topics probably popped up several times.
I've stayed at Scores, Prime, and Penthouse.
Score birds is basic, and I got the lowest levels of rooms and hated it. No window and the cable tv never really worked.
Penthouse was close by, but the rooms were not the same as photos. But run down. But on Santos and close to walking street and mega.
Prime Asia was the better hotels I've stayed in, but it was farther out from walking street. I took 6 girls back after mega club and getting trikes back wasn't fun. Plus, they were strict with IDs and at the time vaccinations.
I am looking at Dalian Peak as next place to stay on my trip. Any recommendations? I've read Grand Central Hotel as a popular one?
Is ABC worth the extra cash? The daytime pool seems a fun time since not much goes on during the day.
Whats interesting is the Korean barfine for short time can be as low as 3000, sometimes 3500 for 3 hours. Compare that to the western bars prices at 5000 and the girls only want to do one shot it might make sense to take some of the leftovers.Wasn't barfine always for LT? I barfined girls from XS, they were most $$. But had great attitudes, spoke English, down to party, and for LT. Has the game changed that much? But other spots were still 3-4 K LT from bars. I get prices going up, but services should be the same. First time in PH, bar fines were 2 k, and 3 k in the popular places. Yet everything was LT. Although there were lots of Koreans last time I was there, there were still plenty fish in the sea. Sometimes I think it's bc I see the girl alone, that she's soo f-in hot. But in the line up, it makes it harder to judge. I'm hoping I can still grab a girl and enjoy her all night til morning, or has that changed?
FuriousGeorge
07-19-24, 23:19
Central Park is absolutely the best hotel if you're looking for an upscale hotel near walking street. It just can't be beat. Have stayed other places, but never will again.
Topics probably popped up several times.
I've stayed at Scores, Prime, and Penthouse.
Score birds is basic, and I got the lowest levels of rooms and hated it. No window and the cable tv never really worked.
Penthouse was close by, but the rooms were not the same as photos. But run down. But on Santos and close to walking street and mega.
Prime Asia was the better hotels I've stayed in, but it was farther out from walking street. I took 6 girls back after mega club and getting trikes back wasn't fun. Plus, they were strict with IDs and at the time vaccinations.
I am looking at Dalian Peak as next place to stay on my trip. Any recommendations? I've read Grand Central Hotel as a popular one?
Is ABC worth the extra cash? The daytime pool seems a fun time since not much goes on during the day.
Wasn't barfine always for LT? I barfined girls from XS, they were most $$. But had great attitudes, spoke English, down to party, and for LT. Has the game changed that much? But other spots were still 3-4 K LT from bars. I get prices going up, but services should be the same. First time in PH, bar fines were 2 k, and 3 k in the popular places. Yet everything was LT. Although there were lots of Koreans last time I was there, there were still plenty fish in the sea. Sometimes I think it's bc I see the girl alone, that she's soo f-in hot. But in the line up, it makes it harder to judge. I'm hoping I can still grab a girl and enjoy her all night til morning, or has that changed?Mushuu, if you read AC posts and reports closely from the past couple years it should be crystal clear. Even if the bros don't all agree on the current state, and a good time can still be had in AC depending on your pocketbook and patience, things aint what they used to be. Overnight is far from guaranteed. Only single prices, 4-6 k, generally given now, often meaning 1-3 hours. Girls might smile and say sure to overnight before you BF at the bar and then run like hell the moment your first shot comes out at the hotel. Absolutely no guarantees or remedies from bars, mamasans, or managers.
Overnight is still possible but less likely and shitloads more work. Leverage is all with the girl once BF is paid, except for the carrot of a morning tip that you hold in front of her, but younger girls don't seem to care about that once the BF is paid.
In addition to Central Park, Wild Orchid and Queens are good options with better pool areas, good security, and decent atmosphere. Look forward to seeing your reports.
Chris Long
07-23-24, 17:23
The best bars in Angeles City are the Korean bars, the worst bars in Angeles City are the Korean bars.
This is not to denigrate or criticize any one person group or nation. I have met some great Koreans some great Koreans bar owners and managers. But unless you are Korean you can write off getting any of the top looking women. The system in the Korean bars is Great. The manager / supervisor always come to your assistance help you pick out a girl and the girls are always compliment agreeable friendly and willing to bar fine with you except for when they are not. They will turn their nose up at you and have nothing to do with you if you are not Korean. In the western bars you are single Charly no one comes to your side to help you get a girl and the girls in the western bars all seem stuck up and don't even notice you, you are invisible unless you are super hansom. I have a 0. 0% success rate at getting any girl from the wolf hound group of bars the doll house group %.
(What's left of them) Or the mieko group of bars. I have. 60% success rate in the Korean bars. Unless you are Korean or super super hansom you can write off getting girls in Angeles City.
SouthEaster
07-23-24, 23:28
So you are what? 60% Korean? Sounds like you are arguing with yourself.
Threadbare
07-24-24, 09:14
So I'm here feet on the ground in AC for a few days. First thing, the weather is really bad now, there's a typhoon around apparently, so been raining pretty hard since I got here. In addition to that, walking street is being re surfaced as previously mentioned, so it a bit of a wet mess. You could name a bar after it. The Envy bar and hotel is all closed, but manned by security staff and has apparently been bought by Hammer organisation with a view to reopening sometime. My guests so far have been from PL, freelancers but probably amateur and not as well worn as the streetwalkers. Happy to visit for a couple of hours for 2 or 3 k, all night for 5 k, they like to try to bring their friends and "relatives" along too which is nice sometimes. Haven't ventured into any bars yet, will report back later on that.
Fastpiston
07-24-24, 23:41
It's hard to understand why westerners still bothering about AC. Quality / price; travel, food, accomodation expensive in addition. Strange.
Mushuu, if you read AC posts and reports closely from the past couple years it should be crystal clear. Even if the bros don't all agree on the current state, and a good time can still be had in AC depending on your pocketbook and patience, things aint what they used to be. Overnight is far from guaranteed. Only single prices, 4-6 k, generally given now, often meaning 1-3 hours. Girls might smile and say sure to overnight before you BF at the bar and then run like hell the moment your first shot comes out at the hotel. Absolutely no guarantees or remedies from bars, mamasans, or managers.
Overnight is still possible but less likely and shitloads more work. Leverage is all with the girl once BF is paid, except for the carrot of a morning tip that you hold in front of her, but younger girls don't seem to care about that once the BF is paid.
In addition to Central Park, Wild Orchid and Queens are good options with better pool areas, good security, and decent atmosphere. Look forward to seeing your reports.
Old And Ugly
07-25-24, 08:48
It's hard to understand why westerners still bothering about AC. Quality / price; travel, food, accomodation expensive in addition. Strange.That's because is the best place in the world for mongering when you're expired, it makes you forget that you're invisible. Until recently this forum, (and AC) was frequented by older guys or married guys that wanted to escape the harsh reality of life in the west, in recent years due to the rise of feminism, and easy access to info on the web that demographic has changed, and for some weird reasons nobody seems to remember what brought them to AC in the first place, what they were running from. I've been everywhere, literary: from Ushuaia to Alaska, and Cape Town to Iceland, and when you're not a rockstar anymore, this is the place that makes you feel like that again. In my younger years Rio de Janeiro, and Eastern Europe were my favorite destinations, but the girls there don't know how to fake it as well as the ones in the Philippines, not even the ones in the rest of SE Asia know how to do it this well. In conclusion, if you want quick and easy access to GFE, than AC is the place, if you are immortal and have lots of time available, then you may find it someplace else.
If you have been going to AC for any period of time, there are songs that in an instant bring you back to trike fumes and freshly shaved brown pussy. Here are my honorable mentions:
1. Dangerous by Roxette (definitely a song that generations of bargirls have danced to).
2. Shoot to Thrill by AC / DC.
3. Empire State of Mind by Jay-Z.
4. We No Speak Americano by DCUP and Yolanda Be Cool.
5. Poker Face by Lady Gaga.
I know some of these are kinda dated but Dangerous is still in heavy rotation.
Add to the list!Let's not forget an all time bargirl fav, It's My Life. Bon Jovi.
https://youtu.be/D2jz03eG2zM
And, what the heck, how about another Bon Jovi bargirl fav, Livin' On A Prayer.
https://youtu.be/cGLeR65sBxc
Old And Ugly
07-25-24, 09:31
. ... the first foreigner they've ever talked to, much less been intimate with. They are a bit scared, shy, and inhibited and simply hoping they survive the eventThis is one of the reasons some girls avoid foreigners, and prefer koreans, which look more familiar and close to home to them than a guy with long nose, and a monster dick "as seen on TV", because most porn features guys that are well above average size, and that's the only source of info the new girls have about us.
That's because is the best place in the world for mongering when you're expired, it makes you forget that you're invisible. Until recently this forum, (and AC) was frequented by older guys or married guys that wanted to escape the harsh reality of life in the west, in recent years due to the rise of feminism, and easy access to info on the web that demographic has changed, and for some weird reasons nobody seems to remember what brought them to AC in the first place, what they were running from. I've been everywhere, literary: from Ushuaia to Alaska, and Cape Town to Iceland, and when you're not a rockstar anymore, this is the place that makes you feel like that again. In my younger years Rio de Janeiro, and Eastern Europe were my favorite destinations, but the girls there don't know how to fake it as well as the ones in the Philippines, not even the ones in the rest of SE Asia know how to do it this well. In conclusion, if you want quick and easy access to GFE, than AC is the place, if you are immortal and have lots of time available, then you may find it someplace else.Not much to say except for excellent insight and response Old & Ugly _Phil.
Chris Long
07-25-24, 17:07
Korean owned bars in AC are the BEST bars in AC except when they are the worst bars in AC.
All Korean owned bars have the same system except some of them are better at it than others. The Korean owned bars know what they are they know why you are there and they know if they make the customer happy give the customer what they want the customer will come back and spend money. When you enter the bar the manager / supervisor or a waitress will come over to you even if you are none Korean and point out girls to you and help you get a girl. The girls will stand smile at you be friendly to you, except when they Don't. Some / Many girls will Not go with a none Korean and will turn their nose up at you. The worst bars for this from my experience are High Quality and Bad Boys day shift. I always got the feeling they don't want me as a none Korean to even enter in there.
Western bars your single Charlie no one comes over to help you get a girl and.
The girls don't notice you or show any attention to you. The general attitude from management seems to be, sucks to be you.
Quality is very low lot of 4's 5's maybe an occasional 6. The quality is generally higher in the Korean owned bars than the none Korean owned bars. But in the Korean owned bars the 7's and 8's generally won't go with none Koreans. Have seen an occasional 8 or 9 walking around but they were always with Koreans.
Freelancers are almost none existent a few in the envy Phillies area but 90% are lady boys and the few female freelancers are generally 4's and 5's. Have not noticed any freelancers at the other end near McDonalds. Visited most of the perimeter road bars and 99% if the women were sub five. Visited the bars around the corner from Garfield's and the one that's left on Raymond street and each time I was there all the women were sub five.
The best I've seen a none Korean walking with is an arguable 7.
Unless you Korean or extremely handsome the best tour going to get in AC these days is a sub five ore a five or six.
Central Park is absolutely the best hotel if you're looking for an upscale hotel near walking street. It just can't be beat. Have stayed other places, but never will again.The best thing about Central park is the location- did heavy research on most of the decent hotels in AC and besides ABC which I think is good but overpriced to me, Central Parks wins.
Given I haven't stayed in the others.
Central Park is about 8 min walk from Walking Street.
Also its quiet, pool is ok, rooms generally clean and housekeeping ok, food is crap. I suggest if you want to eat well in AC you do your research. Starting point Swiss Chalet Rest.
Had 4 girls in one night once. Being so close to Walking Street. Doorman couldn't believe my stamina LOL.
But AC IS a shithole so been once, doubt whether I'd go back.
NI.
WestCoast1
07-26-24, 00:24
Central Park is about 8 min walk from Walking Street. AC IS a shithole so been once, doubt whether I'd go back.
NI.CP is a 1-minute walk to WS?
CP is a 1-minute walk to WS?I forgot I had to fight my way through the ladyboys at the corner of Phillies. That probably slowed me down.
Google Maps says 4 minutes.
NI.
WestCoast1
07-26-24, 10:34
I forgot I had to fight my way through the ladyboys at the corner of Phillies. That probably slowed me down.O Ladyboy! My Ladyboy! Bakla alert. All units be on the lookout for a hanging tampon string that's bigger than a string.
Old And Ugly
07-27-24, 00:45
Korean owned bars in AC are the BEST bars in AC except when they are the worst bars in AC.
All Korean owned bars have the same system except some of them are better at it than others. The Korean owned bars know what they are they know why you are there and they know if they make the customer happy give the customer what they want the customer will come back and spend money. When you enter the bar the manager / supervisor or a waitress will come over to you even if you are none Korean and point out girls to you and help you get a girl. The girls will stand smile at you be friendly to you, except when they Don't. Some / Many girls will Not go with a none Korean and will turn their nose up at you. The worst bars for this from my experience are High Quality and Bad Boys day shift. I always got the feeling they don't want me as a none Korean to even enter in there.
Western bars your single Charlie no one comes over to help you get a girl and.
The girls don't notice you or show any attention to you. The general attitude from management seems to be, sucks to be you.
Quality is very low lot of 4's 5's maybe an occasional 6. The quality is generally higher in the Korean owned bars than the none Korean owned bars. But in the Korean owned bars the 7's and 8's generally won't go with none Koreans. Have seen an occasional 8 or 9 walking around but they were always with Koreans.
Freelancers are almost none existent a few in the envy Phillies area but 90% are lady boys and the few female freelancers are generally 4's and 5's. Have not noticed any freelancers at the other end near McDonalds. Visited most of the perimeter road bars and 99% if the women were sub five. Visited the bars around the corner from Garfield's and the one that's left on Raymond street and each time I was there all the women were sub five.
The best I've seen a none Korean walking with is an arguable 7.
Unless you Korean or extremely handsome the best tour going to get in AC these days is a sub five ore a five or six.I don't know about the others, but when I go to a bar to find a girl, I want to see some skin, not a parade of evening gowns that may hide something underneath, this is why I avoid the korean bars like the plague. Also the atmosphere in the western bars is fun, with girls dancing, striping on occasion, and playing with each other. My taste may be off, but Lolipop has the hotest, friendliest lineup in AC, all you need to do is just buy some ladydrinks.
FuriousGeorge
07-27-24, 09:52
AGREED on all counts. Can't wait to return very soon.
I don't know about the others, but when I go to a bar to find a girl, I want to see some skin, not a parade of evening gowns that may hide something underneath, this is why I avoid the korean bars like the plague. Also the atmosphere in the western bars is fun, with girls dancing, striping on occasion, and playing with each other. My taste may be off, but Lolipop has the hotest, friendliest lineup in AC, all you need to do is just buy some ladydrinks.
Chris Long
07-27-24, 13:10
Sat at kokamos today from 4 to 6 watched the crowed seen who had women. I would say 70 to 90% of the guys were Korean. This is NOT an arrack in Koreans I have met some great Korean guys bar managers and owners they are great guys. This is only to give the reality of what Angeles City is like now 70 to 90% of the guys here are Korean EVERY guy I'm seen with a girl was a Korean guy seen NO none Korean with a girl and the girls with the Koreans were the most attractive girls 7's 8's. Went into Sky Fall around 6:30 sat there for a couple minutes and the manager came up to me and asked me what girl I wanted she pointed out a few told me which ones were new which ones had no babies. Picked the one I thought was the best looking one. Crash and burn she doesn't go with white guys. Told the manager to ask the one I thought was the second Best looking, SUCCESS she said yes told me I was so not the second white guy she's ever gone with. But she only does short time. It is now 8 pm sitting inside if Lucifers the waitress took my drink order and that was it. No one had come up to me to help me pick out a girl. Sat through two shifts now and not one girl on the stage had even acknowledged me or showed any attention my way. Sitting at the table in front of the benches where the girls sit between their shift of dancing not one has gas shown me any attention and all seem to have an unhappy attitude and personality. Think I will go back to a Korean bar where a manager will help me pick out a girl who will go with white guys.
Chris Long
07-27-24, 16:28
Fish swim together in schools of other fish that look like themselves. The Philippina girls are Asian the Korean guys are Asian. These girls come from backwoods provinces or inner city slums and most gave never seen a white or black guy until they came to Angeles City. I have been told this by many girls. So they get here and they see white or black guys for the first time in their lives and they are expected to fuck them and in their minds their looking at us and thinking are to themselves are these white and black guys even humans.
they are expected to fuck them and in their minds their looking at us and thinking are to themselves are these white and black guys even humans.I often ask myxelf the same question. Smart country women.
NapaSlapper
07-28-24, 14:44
There is no doubt that the koreans have good taste in women and are the most popular customer for the pinays that will actually barfine for a living.
Why is this? Why will the better looking angeles girls always choose a korean (or asian) above a westerner wether a black or white westerner?
Well I barhop with both korean friends and western friends on seperate occasions, of the korean friends they tend to be very humble with the girls, very generous, always polite, never grabbing at the girls, buy multiple lady drinks, buy food in the bar for the girls, tip the girls, take them out clubbing or to an expensive restaurant, they tend to table multiple girls as company many times without wanting to barfine the girls, the koreans tend to be younger, better dressed and looking and smelling clean, what's not to like for the girls.
Western friends, party in a totally different way, they tend to only table one girl at a time, buy only the one lady drink, mostly interviewing said girl from the beginning, asking her what she will do back at the room, how long she will stay and stating any manner of wierd requests they may want, they tend to be much older than the girls many times 40,50,60 years older, westerners also are in the mindset that by buying a girl a lady drink that allows them to grab at the girls breasts, try to get fingers into their panties, try to put the girls hand on their cock when clearly the girls generally don't want to be fondled or grabbed at.
My western friends at least dress smart, smell clean and are not drunk unlike some of the old westerners in some bars that have worn the same shorts and vest for the last week and are lacking in basic personal hygene and general manners around the girls.
Lets be honest for a moment, how many of us would be thrilled at the thought of fucking and sucking an old lady 40,50,60 years older than us that also did not smell too good, probably none.
To me its easy to see why the koreans or asians are the new kings in town in the pinays eyes, not envious in the slightest in truth, good luck to the girls that have the looks, body and youth to be able to earn good money without fucking anyone (drinks only girls) and to the girls that now have choices in their prefered bed partners.
Chris Long
07-28-24, 17:59
Picking up from where I left off after leaving Lucifers last night. Went into Doll House where a waitress who I met ten years ago at the pool party when she was a dancer at Doll House now in her early 30's is a waitress there. She has turned out to be a goose that lays golden eggs. Without her I don't think I would be able to get any girls there as no one comes up to you to help you get a girl and unless you are super handsome you are invisible to the girls as they never noticed you. She set me up with a definite 9, 19 year old young Brook Shields look alike who said she only goes with Koreans and has never been with a white guy before. I believe without the waitress intervening on my behalf she would of been turned me down. Bar fined her but she would only do short time. After she left stroller around walking street around 2 am most bars are closed by that time only Baccara, Viking, and Sky Fall were open. Found my way in Mega Dance. Most girls were in groups most of the times with guys being part of the group. Stood by the bathroom and tried to flirt with a few girls. Mist were play full but nothing developed. Left and went to Sky Fall around 3 am sat down and the Korean manager came up to me within a couple of minutes of sitting down and helped me pick out a girl surprisingly still a fairly large group of girls available and some decent 7's available. Choose the one I thought was the hottest girl there a solid 7. She was very agreeable and willing to go. We talked about why the girls don't like to go with white guys, she said it was very stupid because they say they don't want white guys because of the belief of bigger dicks yet they all want their Philippino boyfriend to have a big one. We bar fined for short time but because it was so late we both fell asleep after we were done and she staid the whole night.
There is no doubt that the koreans have good taste in women and are the most popular customer for the pinays that will actually barfine for a living.They, Koreans, are also working off a much higher base than most white mongers, so there is no incentive to settle for lower tier girls. Just compare the average Korean girl walking the street of Seoul to the thrice divorced grandmas that are in the average monger's social circle / dating options back home. *.
Anything capable of fogging a mirror is a step up for whitie whereas the bars need to give kbois a reason to come.
Enjoy. G.
*P. S. Yes I know there are attractive white women and I'm sure some mongers have hot partners but I'm talking generalized averages.
G.
Chris Long
07-29-24, 08:38
Been sitting at Kokamos for an hour now from 2 pm to 3 pm 70 to 90% of the guys passing are Korean. None of this is intended to be a knock on Koreans have met many of them and they are some great guys just giving the reality of what Angeles City is like these days. The only guys passing who had girls were Korean guys and every girl they had was a solid 8 or 9 a couple were real dolls. I noticed the door girls the managers security guys all yell much loader and try harder to get the Korean guys to enter where often they would say nothing when a none Korean passed by for myself rare to never do the so called door girls ever say any thing when I walk by its almost always the guys standing out front who invite you in but when the Koreans walk by the girls and the security show much more attention and shout much more for them to come in. As I came to Kokamos I gave some change to the little kid standing in the street asking for money. I noticed she would hold her hand out and ask for money from the Koreans when they walked by same as she did with me she would even walk a few steps with them with her hand out. I gave her some change but I noticed No Korean gave her any change or even paid any attention to her just continued in their conversation as if she wasn't even there. She's a cute little kid and will probably grow up to be a future bar girl. Funny thing is once she grows up and becomes a future bar girl she will probably ignore us the none Koreans who were kind and giving to her and only show attention and go with the Koreans who ignored her as if she wasn't even there when she was young.
LoveItHere69
07-29-24, 10:05
Well I barhop with both korean friends and western friends.Please explain how you barhop with Western friends when you appear to have no Western friends on this site. You have Korean friends you barhop constantly with but no reports of you being in Korea. Why no posts from Korea when you have 'insiders' who could show you things the rest of us could never see?
I am friends with one group of Koreans and we have bar hopped and had dinner 9 times which is nowhere near your 50 posts of going out with your Korean buddies. You afraid of Korea or are you a kimchi hater?
She's a cute little kid and will probably grow up to be a future bar girl. Funny thing is once she grows up and becomes a future bar girl she will probably ignore us the none Koreans who were kind and giving to her and only show attention and go with the Koreans who ignored her as if she wasn't even there when she was young.Not so. She is probably a rugby girl. Rugby is a strong form of glue they sniff. Tears the lungs out of them.
NapaSlapper
07-30-24, 04:39
Been sitting at Kokamos for an hour now from 2 pm to 3 pm 70 to 90% of the guys passing are Korean. None of this is intended to be a knock on Koreans have met many of them and they are some great guys just giving the reality of what Angeles City is like these days. The only guys passing who had girls were Korean guys and every girl they had was a solid 8 or 9 a couple were real dolls. I noticed the door girls the managers security guys all yell much loader and try harder to get the Korean guys to enter where often they would say nothing when a none Korean passed by for myself rare to never do the so called door girls ever say any thing when I walk by its almost always the guys standing out front who invite you in but when the Koreans walk by the girls and the security show much more attention and shout much more for them to come in. As I came to Kokamos I gave some change to the little kid standing in the street asking for money. I noticed she would hold her hand out and ask for money from the Koreans when they walked by same as she did with me she would even walk a few steps with them with her hand out. I gave her some change but I noticed No Korean gave her any change or even paid any attention to her just continued in their conversation as if she wasn't even there. She's a cute little kid and will probably grow up to be a future bar girl. Funny thing is once she grows up and becomes a future bar girl she will probably ignore us the none Koreans who were kind and giving to her and only show attention and go with the Koreans who ignored her as if she wasn't even there when she was young.Thanks for your up to date detailed reports, they mirror many of my angeles findings of which I have written.
I think its fair to say that western money is not so welcome in angeles as it once was many moons ago.
What amases me is that so many of the angeles bar girls can now hold a fairly good conversation in the korean language, they are experts in the korean menus and food offered at the korean restaurant when taking them there with korean friends, only last night I asked a well liked bargirl in xs club what her favourite food was, no it was not steak, her favourite food was kimchi, thinks that is an indication of how much the angeles girls are into koreans.
Happy mongering and keep the up to date reports coming, unfortunately we have so few latest findings, thanks.
I asked a well liked bargirl in xs club what her favourite food was, no it was not steak, her favourite food was kimchi, thinks that is an indication of how much the angeles girls are into koreans.s.I am a broken man.
Sup guys. I'm new here. Currently planning an extended Asia trip. Doing two weeks in Japan then from there it's onto Thailand. Might make stops in Philippines, Vietnam and China as well.
Got to say, reading the recent reports in here is not encouraging. I'd heard that the Philippines is a great destination for western mongers and that they love Americans. This thread sorta makes it sound like the Koreans have ruined the scene though LOL. I've read through the Thailand thread as well, and seems a similar phenomenon is being reported with Korean customers there too. Just wtf.
Is the Philippines still worth my time? Should I go Manila instead of Angeles city or just skip this shit entirely? I'm early 30's white guy BTW. Not looking to travel halfway across the world only to be told that the best girls won't see non-Korean customers haha. Any advice or intel is much appreciated!
LargeBanana
07-30-24, 18:23
K, First time I was in AC was way back in 2008 ish. Those were the days. I am of Indian origin but lived in the west my entire life. So here are my takes.
1.
Koreans usually come for a shorter time and spend more on Girls, hotels, food etc.
2.
Koreans have shall we say smaller equipment. No offence, but that is probably preferred by the girls.
3.
Those of us who remember the "good old days", do tend to forget that we were 10-20 years younger. The first time I was in AC, girls saw me as a prospect husband. Now they know what they are getting in to. I remember very well that even 20 years ago, dudes in their late 50's onwards were strugling to compete with the young ones.
Now our advantage.
1 Even if Koreans are Asians, westerners speak English. Aslo Pinay's are colser to westerners culturally. It may sound weired but there is a lot of truth in it. Take a good looking 20 someting western dude, the Koreans would be no match.
2 The interaction with Korens become very transactional, in many cases. I quite enjoyed the MILF's in their 30's. Yes they may be more chubby and saggy. But many of them are much more humble and acually enjoy the company with someone who appreciate them. They are often better in bed and like to just hang arround.
I admit that AC is not what it was some 15 years a go. Cost have gone up, and the girls have more choices (partly becase PI itself has done well economically). But still I managed to have a great time and find that loving GEF experiance only possible in AC. At the end of the day it does not matter if there are 50 or 5000 girls to choose between. I can only manage to fuck a girl 2-3 time a day, any way.
Enjoy AC.
SouthEaster
07-31-24, 00:04
This necessitates believing the bargirl. As we all know when their lips are moving they are most likely lying!
Apprenticed
07-31-24, 04:46
Arrived at 9:00 at the hotel Sure Stay. At 10 pm met a tiny slim 19 yo Filipina from Pina Love, we had agree 3000ST. She came in a tuk-tuk so 150 pesos more. Got a bad first impression when she saw me outside of the hotel and barely greeted me and went directly to the reception. Didn't like the way she interacted with the employees, a bit egocentric. In the room she didn't like to talk. Didn't want to shower together for some unknown reason. In the bed she was visibly uncomfortable most of the time, probably sore from other clients. I didn't feel comfortable finishing with her due to her expressions of suffering, had to masturbate myself to finalize, she didn't want to do more BJ nor masturbate me. This was a very bad start. Maybe 19 yo are not a good idea. It's difficult to detect the good from the bad when you only interreact via Pina Love and Whatsapp, even doing video call is not a guarantee. To be honest she was the first girl I saw online in PL, when I was coming from Cebu still at the airport at 4am, probably she was with other clients the whole night.
Chris Long
07-31-24, 07:03
Adopted / met a 20 year old solid 8 looking girl from cebu and have adopted her she moved all of her stuff in with me and is living with me, so not as much / any bar pick ups. After a month and a half of living here want to give my experiences and thoughts on Angeles today. Once again this is NOT an attack on Korean mongers have met many and they ate great guys, just the cold hard truth about angeles today. If I feel any animosity or boiling resentment it is not at the Koreans but at the girls who do not treat us equally and don't even give us a chance if we are none Korean. The best bars in Angeles City are the Korean bars the worst bars in Angeles City are the Korean bars. The Korean bars have a Great system they don't try to run away from what they are they know why you are there and they know if they give the customer what they want make the customer happy the customer will come back and spend money. Within two minutes of entering a Korean bar someone is going to come to your side and help you pick out a girl and most of the girls will be compliant smile and agree to go with you. I had about an 80% success rate over all assume of the girls won't go with none Koreans. The bars that win the Gold Star award go to Cosplay, and Skyfall, Silver Star goes to Bar Nana, SS Bar, Bad Boys night shift and Baccara had some success in Madonna night shift as well. Many of the Korean bars are actually separate bars one owner owns the bar during the day shift and another owner owns the bar during the night shift. Korean bars to be avoided if you are none Korean High Quality and Bad Boys day shift. As a none Korean you are definitely NOT welcomed in those bars. Sadly both bars had full stable of 8 and 9's but none available to none Koreans.
None Korean owned bars wolf hound group doll house group and the new Miko group. You are single Charlie in those bars no one comes up to help you get a girl the waitress takes your order and that's it the girls never noticed you they never interact with you. You are invisible in those bars. Perhaps not surprisingly the girls Love the Koreans in those bars. You just simply have to be Korean and you are there number one choice. Many of the Koreans appear to be young and handsome but many appear to be old fat with large stomach's and some are slovenly dressed but as long as you are Korean even if you are old fat and a slob the girls will all want them first simply because they are Korean. The number two choice of the girls is an extremely handsome none Korean. Do if you are Korean or extremely handsome you will do well in a none Korean owned bar. If you are neither one if these you will he invisible in a none Korean owned bar. Just a some information about what Angeles City is like today will try to add more later.
This necessitates believing the bargirl. As we all know when their lips are moving they are most likely lying!Koreans are all over the place like a bad rash. They own sari sari stores and so on, much like poorer Westerners would have tried their luck some time ago. Also, theirs is a more organised approach, so better cash flows as they hunt in packs. You throw the money around like a drunken sailor and you will get the women too. Something like Operation Cobra in Pattaya, they come out of the woodwork to shake down the sailors.
As regards thinking they forego chicken adobo for kim chi, that is our silly friend again.
Old And Ugly
07-31-24, 23:05
This necessitates believing the bargirl. As we all know when their lips are moving they are most likely lying!A 100% correct statement. Also don't ever forget, their primary objective is to separate the mongerer from his money in the fastest way possible.
Old And Ugly
07-31-24, 23:51
Sup guys. I'm new here. Currently planning an extended Asia trip. Doing two weeks in Japan then from there it's onto Thailand. Might make stops in Philippines, Vietnam and China as well.
Got to say, reading the recent reports in here is not encouraging. I'd heard that the Philippines is a great destination for western mongers and that they love Americans. This thread sorta makes it sound like the Koreans have ruined the scene though LOL. I've read through the Thailand thread as well, and seems a similar phenomenon is being reported with Korean customers there too. Just wtf.
Is the Philippines still worth my time? Should I go Manila instead of Angeles city or just skip this shit entirely? I'm early 30's white guy BTW. Not looking to travel halfway across the world only to be told that the best girls won't see non-Korean customers haha. Any advice or intel is much appreciated!Stay home! If you're in your 30's than you can get plenty of free action there (unless you're married), it seems that our days in the west there is a generous surplus of chicks, due to lack of real men. Unlike you, most of the mongerers here are "expired" but with high expectations (myself included). In the west if you're young, you just have to put up with the pink fog covering their brains, but you'll have time to perfect your hunting methods by being on your turf, and not being under the usual 2 weeks vacation time constraint, and most important: it's free, no airfare, no lodging, no barfine, eventually you'll have to pay for a few rounds in a bar. But if you insist, and have your mind made up about coming here, I assure you that if you are young and decent looking, and behave like a normal human being you will have no problem picking up girls even in a non barfine environment, in places where the girls don't even know that they can get paid to do what they want to do to you anyway. So, If you want it like that, than stay as far away as possible from angeles, manila, and cebu where their primary objective is to separate you from your money in the fastest, and most efficient way possible. Or if you have a surplus of cash, than come on over to angeles, and help a few single moms.
Sup guys. I'm new here. Currently planning an extended Asia trip. Doing two weeks in Japan then from there it's onto Thailand. Might make stops in Philippines, Vietnam and China as well.
Got to say, reading the recent reports in here is not encouraging. I'd heard that the Philippines is a great destination for western mongers and that they love Americans. This thread sorta makes it sound like the Koreans have ruined the scene though LOL. I've read through the Thailand thread as well, and seems a similar phenomenon is being reported with Korean customers there too. Just wtf.
Is the Philippines still worth my time? Should I go Manila instead of Angeles city or just skip this shit entirely? I'm early 30's white guy BTW. Not looking to travel halfway across the world only to be told that the best girls won't see non-Korean customers haha. Any advice or intel is much appreciated!JPL: unless you are hideous and flat broke you will have the most fun of your life in any of these countries. Well, I haven't been to China yet but I live in PI / Negros Island for 2. 5 years and visit Manila, Angeles, Cebu, Subic, BKK, Patts, Jakarta regularly and been to Vietnam many times. I'm 68 and have two live-in Filipina chicks, 23 and 18, university students who take turns cooking and cleaning for me. The older one is also my chauffeur as I have a nice used Toyota Vios to get around in. If you do not have the time of your life visiting these countries there is something wrong with you! PM me if you want.
WestCoast1
08-01-24, 01:15
Sup guys. I'm new here.
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Is the Philippines still worth my time? Should I go Manila instead of Angeles city or just skip this shit entirely? I'm early 30's white guy BTW. Not looking to travel halfway across the world only to be told that the best girls won't see non-Korean customers haha. Any advice or intel is much appreciated!RTFF? We've spent the last year discussing this exact issue. See Chris Long's posts.
Apprenticed
08-01-24, 02:17
Day 1 (Night): Yesterday left the hotel at 9:30/10 pm just to know how it looks like Angeles at night. It was really hard to go unnoticed in the streets. I end up meeting some freelancers. All asked for 2000ST. I picked one and to the hotel. When she was entering the hotel she suddenly started talking about 3000, red flag, I should have cancelled. She hadn't performed anything and was already discussing a tip. In the room she had no interest in any sorts of foreplay, she didn't want any oral, just wanted to get it done ASAP. Into the action and then it didn't take long before she started complaining that her pussy couldn't take more, asking to come quick. 😮. Same situation twice in the day. I'm disappointed.
Perhaps today try the freelancers from the bars Mega and Aqua that the brother Goferring suggested.
Does any of you have had any good experiences with LT and how do you screen a girl to know that she is good material for LT? I believe that I'd have to do ST with her before to be sure that she's good for LT, but I'd like to hear your take.
I also saw many girls sitting on the sidewalk in streets that are very dark and their pimps were using flashlight to show me her faces. What?? Never seen anything like this in my entire life. What the hell is going on there?
ILuvBrownGirls
08-01-24, 03:26
JPL: unless you are hideous and flat broke you will have the most fun of your life in any of these countries. Well, I haven't been to China yet but I live in PI / Negros Island for 2. 5 years and visit Manila, Angeles, Cebu, Subic, BKK, Patts, Jakarta regularly and been to Vietnam many times. I'm 68 and have two live-in Filipina chicks, 23 and 18, university students who take turns cooking and cleaning for me. The older one is also my chauffeur as I have a nice used Toyota Vios to get around in. If you do not have the time of your life visiting these countries there is something wrong with you! PM me if you want.Thank you for this post. People that complain about Koreans are ridiculous. Some girls prefer Koreans, some girls prefer Americans. If you have a hard time getting laid in Angeles City, it is a YOU problem.
Apprenticed
08-01-24, 12:02
Freelancers are street walkers (rough), online or at freelancer bars. The main bars with freelancers / no barfines are Mega and Aqua. Many bargirls go to Mega after work to try to score (another) customer for the night. Aqua can have some very attractive girl packs who come up from Manila to party for the weekend while Daddy is away.
Good luck. G.Aqua is the Aqua Beach Club near ABC Hotel or Aqua-2 JTV?
Chris Long
08-01-24, 18:14
Expensive:
Almost all bar fines today are 4500 to 5000 with some women in the bars being 6000. Perimeter road bars being 3500. Freelancers few and far between generally only being in front of envys / Phillies 99% there are lady boys with a few women mixed in generally wanting 2000.
Low Quality:
Most women in the bars being 4 and 5's with a few 6's an occasional 7. Seen a few 8 and 9's walking around but always with Korean customers never seen that quality in the bars. Perimeter road bars 99% were sub five. BJ bars around the corner from Garfield's and the one bar left on Raymond St. All sub five even seen two girls in the Raymond street bar who I met there ten years ago, still working there today. Megadance disco 5, 6, 7, 8, but they always seemed to be in groups and almost always there were guys as part of the group.
Very Choosy Women:
Very stuck up bar girls with Koreans being there number one choice don't have to be young and handsome can be old fat and a slob as long as they are Korean they will be the girls number one choice above any one else. Second choice will be an extremely handsome none Korean. Any one who doesn't fit into these two category will be ignored and only get a cold response from the girls. Surprisingly the none Korean owned bars the girls are the worst and will be the hardest bars to get a girl.
Aqua is the Aqua Beach Club near ABC Hotel or Aqua-2 JTV?Aqua Beach club atop ABC.
Best on Fri/Sat nights
NapaSlapper
08-02-24, 02:13
Thank you for this post. People that complain about Koreans are ridiculous. Some girls prefer Koreans, some girls prefer Americans. If you have a hard time getting laid in Angeles City, it is a YOU problem.Its you the problem?,how is it guys problem when the girl one likes says she's a korean only girl, or she's a drink only girl, or she's a one pop short time girl when one wants long time, or the girl you really want is a cherry girl, or when a westerner walks into a bar and is totally ignored by all the cuties like one is invisible, But those same girls are giving full attention to the asians. (read the latest reports from guys with boots on the ground for proof).
Yes its easy for some dreamers to make excuses for the better looking girls but in truth its those same girls that are ruining the fun for the western punter hence why there is so very few westerners that visit angeles over the last few years.
If one is happy as a westerner to accept the left overs the asians don't want while paying 5,000-6000 peso one pop then angeles is a good destination for those western guys, if one is even a little more fussy in their bed partners then one will be disapointed as a westerner in angeles, it is what it is comes to mind.
FuriousGeorge
08-02-24, 04:01
A real misunderstanding is that is easy to get sex in the US if you're young and good looking. I am semi young-ish (comparatively) now although my strongest days are behind me, I lived my 30's as a very good looking fit guy with a cool condo by the water in LA and a nice job. It was then and still is A LOT OF WORK AND MONEY to get laid. Yeah you can get a lot of matches on Bumble and Tinder, and yeah you can meet a girl at a bar and exchange numbers. The chances of you taking a girl home from a bar on any given night and getting sex is about 3%. The chances of you having sex on the first Tinder date is about 12%. Hookup culture is a myth. Women hold all the cards. Can you get sex eventually from these girls? Yes, that's close to 100% if you really want to. But it takes dates, drinks, dinners, which aint cheap, and the sex timeline is completely up to them, and then usually when you do have sex it may or may not be good, and then usually she gets attached so there's that extra level of complication.
The Philippines is magical. You can have sex any night. Sometimes for free, sometimes not, but still way less out of pocket comparatively. Then the next night you get to have someone new, or perhaps decide to be with the one before. Every night is an adventure that can end however you want it to.
Stay home! If you're in your 30's than you can get plenty of free action there (unless you're married), it seems that our days in the west there is a generous surplus of chicks, due to lack of real men. Unlike you, most of the mongerers here are "expired" but with high expectations (myself included). In the west if you're young, you just have to put up with the pink fog covering their brains, but you'll have time to perfect your hunting methods by being on your turf, and not being under the usual 2 weeks vacation time constraint, and most important: it's free, no airfare, no lodging, no barfine, eventually you'll have to pay for a few rounds in a bar. But if you insist, and have your mind made up about coming here, I assure you that if you are young and decent looking, and behave like a normal human being you will have no problem picking up girls even in a non barfine environment, in places where the girls don't even know that they can get paid to do what they want to do to you anyway. So, If you want it like that, than stay as far away as possible from angeles, manila, and cebu where their primary objective is to separate you from your money in the fastest, and most efficient way possible. Or if you have a surplus of cash, than come on over to angeles, and help a few single moms.
Apprenticed
08-02-24, 05:08
Morning: I met with small and slim girl from Pina Love, she was nice to me but nothing special to be noted (2000 pesos).
Afternoon: Went to the a barber not far from the Hotel, in the neighborhood where the Filipinos live, and while waiting, I met a guy that works as some sort "security" in A Santos Road nearby Wild Orchard hotel, not sure who he works for but he's in that spot all night with a walkie-talkie on his pocket. Later I'll explain why this matters.
While inside the barber I arranged a meeting with an 18 yo via Whatsapp to meet right after cutting my hair. We met in the hotel. She works in Insomnia and very rarely goes out with customers. She says that she is afraid and that only after knowing me better she felt it was safe. I noticed that she didn't know any hotel other that ABC. She is not as slim as the other girls but has such a great energy and came with the right attitude, lots of kissing cuddling, talking and sex and it felt really good to be with her. She goes to school at 7 am and at night works at the bar drinking and talking with customers. These girls in one night can drink up to 14 beers. She told me that if we meet she makes enough money so that she doesn't need to work at the bar that night. She charged me 3 K which seems fine for the quality I got. After finishing our business, I took her out for a dinner and we talked some more, made some plans for tonight, maybe meet again.
Night: Took a freelancer from the Walking Street, asked if she was a real women, she showed some pics of her 1 yo son from her mobile and convinced me. When we went to the hotel "she" didn't wanted me to take a shower with her, closed the door of the bathroom on me, then I realized the she could only be trans. These "trans" use some sort of protection in their panties because they do get incontinence after surgery and they don't want you to see that. That did not work well for me so I had to go out and find another freelancer.
Passing beside Wild Orchard hotel I greet Alan (from the Barber's) and it looks like he enjoys talking, so I decided to ask about something I was very curious about, "What are all those girls in those two dark streets doing there?" I was referring to Johnny St. And Henyfel St. There are many girls there and it's so dark that you cannot see their face. When you get there there is a Mamasan and then she finds the right girl for you and she shines a flashlight in their faces so that you can see them well. They also provide rooms somewhere nearby, but I didn't see exactly where they are. Alan told me that these girls belong to the local community, so no wonder why they want to be in the dark (for their friends and family don't see them). This is the place where the Filipinos go and they pay 1500 pesos for ST. But because I'm foreigner they charge me 2000 pesos. They also mentioned that LT would be 3000 pesos. So I decided to go there and see the quality of those girls. Mamasan showed me a girl called "Angel" and she looked young and nice body, she was the best of the pack, the others were not good, so I selected her, but when I approached and tried to greet her with a kiss on the cheek (like we do in many countries) she run away really upset. Mamason explained me that kissing have a very special meaning and "sorry for that". Then Mamason run out of options from the pack so she called her best asset out of a trike that was parked nearby: "Shane". Shane is gorgeous, not much makeup, all natural beauty, she exudes the beauty of a high school girl. She came smiling to me right from the beginning, and she was ok with kissing OMG I couldn't believe that I had found this gem. Mamasan walked us to the hotel where I'm staying (nearby) while we had a very animated conversation. And Shane was visibly happy with the prospect of being with a "different" customer and go into a nicer hotel than what she is used to. Shane has the typical shyness of a young inexperienced girl but outperformed all the girls I've been with, she's hot, young, tight body, really good kisser, and had real orgasm while getting an oral from me and lots of pleasure later while making sex. Somebody said that there are no shy girls, they all reveal themselves in the right context. Got her Messanger and hoping I can see her again, she only works after 7 pm.
Threadbare
08-02-24, 08:07
Have been in AC for 10 days, apart from 2 days in the middle I went to Subic. Separate report. I had a few previous contacts and picked out a few more on PL. I have found the ones I met to be genuine, but pretty much all freelancers. Fine for me, they are far less worn out than the ones you find in the street, or in bars for that matter, and don't look for any commitment either. The added advantage is that they all seem to have friends who need or want to earn a buck as well, and some of these are young and very pretty. So never a shortage of company any time you want. People say theres nothing to do during the day, well like that I can spend the daytimes doing what I went there to do! I also called in a massage girl who I met earlier in the street, and she gave a very good massge followed by full service. The bar scene is rapidly changing, many bars being re modelled, to Korean spec I imagine. I couldn't understand why they want to leave S Korea and change the place they move to into. S Korea, but someone told me the rich middle classes need somewhere to invest their money. Maybe so. Then there is the Hook Pool Bar. I went because I liked one of the girls sitting outside. In fact its just for pool and Karaoke, drinks and lady drinks, but you can't take the girls out. Very disappointing. For the girls too probably. Not much happening there. During a visit to One Euphoria I happened accross some SW girls in the back streets opposite the door. It all looked a bit dodgy so I didn't get involved, probably a place to keep your money pocket buttoned up or empty! There are a couple of short time hotels along there too that looked pretty sleazy.
For my stay I had booked the Envy hotel, where I have stayed every visit since it was opened about 7 years ago. I heard that it had closed, and unfortunately that turned out to be true. Apparently it will become part of the Hammer empire next door, along with the Envy bar too, which is also closed since April. So I used Wild Orchid resort first week. It's really nice on the ground floor, pool, bar etc but the rooms are a bit dated now, also no lift in the main building, and not particularly cheap. There were some families staying, no doubt attracted by the extensive pools there. You can now book the minibus to Subic from the WO travel desk again, it leaves WO at 12.45 every day probably picks up at other hotels too, returning from Subic at 10 am. Second week I stayed in Central Park, lovely rooms and bar / pool area, bit more formal than WO but always a nice experience. Better food and decent coffee too. Both hotels are completely girl friendly of course. It's hard to imagine a hotel in AC which isn't. A useful tip if you use ATMs for your spending money, the one inside Southstar Drug at the corner of Teodoro street does not charge the usual P250 for cash withdrawals, so you could save the cost of a barfine in a couple of weeks!
AC is changing with every visit, but I still enjoy spending a few days there and I'm always a bit disappointed when it's time to leave.
Threadbare
08-02-24, 08:13
Morning: I met with small and slim girl from Pina Love, she was nice to me but nothing special to be noted (2000 pesos).
Afternoon: Went to the a barber not far from the Hotel, in the neighborhood where the Filipinos live, and while waiting, I met a guy that works as some sort "security" in A Santos Road nearby Wild Orchard hotel, not sure who he works for but he's in that spot all night with a walkie-talkie on his pocket. Later I'll explain why this matters.
While inside the barber I arranged a meeting with an 18 yo via Whatsapp to meet right after cutting my hair. We met in the hotel. She works in Insomnia and very rarely goes out with customers. She says that she is afraid and that only after knowing me better she felt it was safe. I noticed that she didn't know any hotel other that ABC. She is not as slim as the other girls but has such a great energy and came with the right attitude, lots of kissing cuddling, talking and sex and it felt really good to be with her. She goes to school at 7 am and at night works at the bar drinking and talking with customers. These girls in one night can drink up to 14 beers. She told me that if we meet she makes enough money so that she doesn't need to work at the bar that night. She charged me 3 K which seems fine for the quality I got. After finishing our business, I took her out for a dinner and we talked some more, made some plans for tonight, maybe meet again.
Night: Took a freelancer from the Walking Street, asked if she was a real women, she showed some pics of her 1 yo son from her mobile and convinced me. When we went to the hotel "she" didn't wanted me to take a shower with her, closed the door of the bathroom on me, then I realized the she could only be trans. These "trans" use some sort of protection in their panties because they do get incontinence after surgery and they don't want you to see that. That did not work well for me so I had to go out and find another freelancer.
Passing beside Wild Orchard hotel I greet Alan (from the Barber's) and it looks like he enjoys talking, so I decided to ask about something I was very curious about, "What are all those girls in those two dark streets doing there?" I was referring to Johnny St. And Henyfel St. There are many girls there and it's so dark that you cannot see their face. When you get there there is a Mamasan and then she finds the right girl for you and she shines a flashlight in their faces so that you can see them well. They also provide rooms somewhere nearby, but I didn't see exactly where they are. Alan told me that these girls belong to the local community, so no wonder why they want to be in the dark (for their friends and family don't see them). This is the place where the Filipinos go and they pay 1500 pesos for ST. But because I'm foreigner they charge me 2000 pesos. They also mentioned that LT would be 3000 pesos. So I decided to go there and see the quality of those girls. Mamasan showed me a girl called "Angel" and she looked young and nice body, she was the best of the pack, the others were not good, so I selected her, but when I approached and tried to greet her with a kiss on the cheek (like we do in many countries) she run away really upset. Mamason explained me that kissing have a very special meaning and "sorry for that". Then Mamason run out of options from the pack so she called her best asset out of a trike that was parked nearby: "Shane". Shane is gorgeous, not much makeup, all natural beauty, she exudes the beauty of a high school girl. She came smiling to me right from the beginning, and she was ok with kissing OMG I couldn't believe that I had found this gem. Mamasan walked us to the hotel where I'm staying (nearby) while we had a very animated conversation. And Shane was visibly happy with the prospect of being with a "different" customer and go into a nicer hotel than what she is used to. Shane has the typical shyness of a young inexperienced girl but outperformed all the girls I've been with, she's hot, young, tight body, really good kisser, and had real orgasm while getting an oral from me and lots of pleasure later while making sex. Somebody said that there are no shy girls, they all reveal themselves in the right context. Got her Messanger and hoping I can see her again, she only works after 7 pm.I had a similar experience with an LB a few years ago, again fortunately found out in good time. (S) he now brings me real girls when I am visiting! Not without their uses hahaha.
Sat at kokamos today from 4 to 6 watched the crowed seen who had women. I would say 70 to 90% of the guys were Korean. This is NOT an arrack in Koreans I have met some great Korean guys bar managers and owners they are great guys. This is only to give the reality of what Angeles City is like now 70 to 90% of the guys here are Korean EVERY guy I'm seen with a girl was a Korean guy seen NO none Korean with a girl and the girls with the Koreans were the most attractive girls 7's 8's. Went into Sky Fall around 6:30 sat there for a couple minutes and the manager came up to me and asked me what girl I wanted she pointed out a few told me which ones were new which ones had no babies. Picked the one I thought was the best looking one. Crash and burn she doesn't go with white guys. Told the manager to ask the one I thought was the second Best looking, SUCCESS she said yes told me I was so not the second white guy she's ever gone with. But she only does short time. It is now 8 pm sitting inside if Lucifers the waitress took my drink order and that was it. No one had come up to me to help me pick out a girl. Sat through two shifts now and not one girl on the stage had even acknowledged me or showed any attention my way. Sitting at the table in front of the benches where the girls sit between their shift of dancing not one has gas shown me any attention and all seem to have an unhappy attitude and personality. Think I will go back to a Korean bar where a manager will help me pick out a girl who will go with white guys.I passed through AC after Cebu in July. I also thought the Korean presence has become even greater than before. There are a bunch of newer Korean resto-bars on the eastern end of Walking Street now.
I know we all have our own experiences and perspectives. It strikes me that different places vary greatly from night to night, and even hour to hour. For example, you seem to have taken a liking to Sky Fall. I went there around 9 and could not find a single girl of the 30 there that I could even stomach. Were the girls you saw there really that hot? They all looked a bit homely to me.
Regarding Lucifers, big ditto. I was there on payday, so they all showed up and pretended to be energetic. There were some good looking ones, including a very hot, tall, slender 30 something who I saw leaving WS with a Western gentleman the night before. But I invited the shortest one on stage down for a drink. She was petite. 4'9" and under 40 kgs! But very cute and body was hot. We had a nice chat, but when I brought up the BF, she said she was a virgin and doesn't BF. I told her it was complete BS and left to find BF at another bar that night. I have never BFd from Lucifers. It is lame, as you say.
The thing you say about total inattention sometimes happens in other places. I BFd 2 very good looking girls from XS in the same week (report forthcoming). I was getting ready to make XS my only bar of choice, but then the next 2 nights I visited there, they totally ignored me in the same way Lucifers ignored you. XS has at least 30 lookers even after midnight, and there werent many customers at all. But like you mention, I could not get anyone to pay attention to me. All the waitresses and mamas were just in their own little worlds. It seemed almost intentional, and I was wondering if the last ne I had BFd there hadn't spread some lie about me. She was a tiny, 27 yo black tape dancer. Looked great and was recommended by a mama, but I remember she told when while still at the bar that one XS mama was her older sister with a big age difference. My night with her turned out bad, she sucked in bed and smelled bad between the legs. I didn't tip her, so maybe she said some BS. Anyway, XS went from top of list to bottom. But sometimes you have to just keep going back and find the right person on the right night.
Same with those who don't BF. I have been refused BF more times this trip than ever, even 2 refusals within an hour on the same night. It is true that some places prefer Koreans, but it is really hit or miss. The main thing that guys got to understand here if they are new to AC or haven't been there a while is that girls are finding more excuses to be picky, so it is taking a lot more work to get it good there. As your posts attest to, for some guys, persistence is key. If you get dissed, ignored, or rejected some place, just keep moving to other places and you'll come up with something by nights end, sometimes better, sometimes worse, sometimes a diamond in the rough. And if the place failed you on the night before, try it again the next night and it might lay the golden egg.
When they ignore me or refuse to BF me, I think ok, you just got a couple hundred for the lady drink, but someone else is going to get that 5-6 k BF tonight. Its the bars or girls loss.
But all in all, AC is bigger pain in the ass and more money for fewer and fewer diamonds. Almost no overnights now, and bring your favored condoms, because you are going to need them more and more.
Just finished a month in PH. I wrote a bit about Cebu in that forum, including my shitty shag from a Sisters BF on my last Sat out there. 2 nights later I swung through AC for a leg before heading out to my new SE Asian mongering destination where I'm now at for month of August.
Not excited about AC after my May visit and all the worsening attitudes. But its still worth a stop if its convenient. On this late July visit, I also thought the Korean presence has become even greater than before. There are a bunch of newer Korean resto-bars on the eastern end of Walking Street now. The new club Skin was just getting ready to open, too, so looking forward to hearing some reports about that.
Arriving in AC on Monday afternoon was a breeze when traveling domestically. I was off the plane at Clark just after 3:30 and checked in the hotel by 4:30. So after getting reset, I hit the street after dinner. I saw a lot of the same girls that I complained about during my May trip, and some of them are looking a bit ragged and tired. I didn't see as many stunners in AC this trip, but all the negatives are still becoming more apparent.
But, a quiet Monday night also presents opportunities. I ended up at XS around 11:15 and enjoyed the various dance groups before everyone came back on stage before midnight. Loads of good looking girls, and the nice mamasan Merly was looking out for me this night. Unfortunately, Merly disappeared on my subsequent visits, so my other nights at XS were disasters. But this Monday night she helped me pull down a memorable black tape dancer who I will call L. L was 22 years old, 5'5" and about 90 lbs, with very nice features and a Chinese face. Fairly new in town after working at a Manila factory for a couple years. Before BFing, Merly told me that all XS girls are required to use condoms, so remember that boys.
But, it still depends on the girl, in the end. Of my July PH shags, more than half demanded covering up for CFS. A lot of the girls, even those who resent the work (and they are getting more common), are still nymphos. I met several who were showing signs of coyness or even early feminism, but at the flip of a switch, several turned into sex goddesses. L was one of them. Back at my hotel, she seemed quiet at first. But she loves to DFK, which is usually a good sign. Once we got going on that, I couldn't wait to go down on her, and she really loved it. The DATY went on a long time as she kept wanting more. After a good while, she became so horny that she just pulled my dick into her and let me fuck her bareback for the next 2 hours, even after my first shot. Her body, face, ass, hair, and skin were so amazing that it only took me a few minutes to start up again, and we fucked constantly until I just about fainted. She was willing to stay longer, but it was already 3 and I wanted to sleep. So I gave her a big tip for the great night and her letting me take photos (see below). All in all, it was 6 k for BF, 500 for all drinks, 500 for tips to mama and waitress, who really went out of their way for me that night, and then 1 k tip to L. So 8 k total. Its not cheap, but I'm tired of nickel and diming, and shit this was hot.
I already posted about my July Monday hottie from XS. I also mentioned a Friday spinner from XS who, while hot and petite, wasn't great. I'll just recount a few others on my late July spin through AC.
Still horny on Saturday, I was going to go for a 3rd dancer from XS, but as mentioned in another post, the XS staff suddenly ignored me. So I went hopping and was getting damned irritated after 2 girls refused BFs during their lady drinks. Then late night at Avalon I had 2 great waitresses trying to hook me up with nicely shaped J, who was sitting as 2nd drinker with a western gentleman and his top choice, who was hot. The waitresses assured me that J would be available anytime, and I was lickin my chops through the beer goggles. Then suddenly they all got up and left. The fucker took both of them, bastard. At that point I gave up and went back to the hotel thinking ID sleep, but after cooling down, I said fuck it and walked the 2 minutes from Central Park back to WS for a late night sweep.
I remembered seeing a well proportioned spotlight dancer E from Viking earlier in the week, so I went in search of her. I asked for her by name and the mama fetched her for me. She didn't really look exactly as ID remembered, but her arm tattoo had the right name and she still looked good, though older and darker than I remembered. Looking back, there were 2 dancers during my first Viking visit, and I think I mixed up their names. Shit. Anyway, BF'the for 5 k, and back at the room this chick was a porn star. She went fucking crazy in the shower then on the bed. I wasn't that into her looks but her BBBJ skills were top notch. Got quickly bored so sent her away after first shot.
Then the next Monday night I went back to Avalon early and saw J, who ID lost on Sat, up on stage. I called her down right away. Again, she didn't look quite as good up close, and I'm never going to get better at judging girls from a distance. Still, she was 28, very pretty face, and looking fit with just a bit of body fat since she works out at gym a lot, even though she lives in the dorm provided by the bar group. I BFd early so we had margaritas on CPTs nice rooftop bar. She had a good body amazing ass, unbelievable bed skills. Gave me endless BBBJ, ball sucking, face fencing, and kept saying how much she loves scrotum. After I came she got extra horny and wanted me to pinch her pussy while my thumb punched her g spot inside. If her orgasm wasn't real, then she deserves an Oscar, but who the fuck cares by that point. 6 k + ld + 500 tip, so around 6800 total. Unfortunately she said no to nude pics because of her identifiable tatts. She left after 2 hrs, and LT was not an option. She was a good PSE but ID take one of the others at Avalon next time. BTW, a lot of guys comment how good Avalon is, but I wasn't super impressed with the girls this time.
My last night in AC was a weeknight. Started at XS, but as mentioned elsewhere, its staff badly dissed me for second night in a row. Seemed almost intentional, as there were almost no customers. Fuck it. Tried Skyfalls and it was a complete joke. I don't know what the previous report by CL was thinking but seriously doubt that assessment. Peaked into Atlantis for half a glance and was gone. It is totally dead, with only a few girls and 0 customers. I can't see how it stays afloat.
Finally went into, Q bar after midnight and I was only customer for a while. Their girls get energetic and more fun with no one around so atmosphere was good. Waitress Marga became my good friend and helped pull in the most delicious 25 yo who I'll call A here. A is a rare only child in the PH, with most girls telling you about their 15 bros and sisters. She is from La Union and has a 10 month old, but her body showed no signs of motherhood. She was a seriously hot spinner, 5'3", 90 lbs, long lively hair, and a fucking hot body. See pics below. She got into PDA with lots of DFK already at the bar, so I knew I was in for a good time. Off we went for 5 k BF plus 650 drinks and 350 tip to Marga, who had been very generous for her patient guidance. The sex was fucking outrageously phenomenal. 2. 5 hours full of repeated BBBJ, BBFS, and wild DATY including face sitting that drove her crazy. There was continuous fucking after first shot in numerous positions. I thought someone on my floor might call security and I had to cover her mouth she was screaming so loud. She was a bit of a talker, though, and I got tired of hearing her sob story about her fate, but I was happy to see her get horny so easily. 500 tip and she was off by 3:30. AC is hit or miss these days, but follow through after the miss and you might still hit it good.
Overall, my month of July in PH was meh. Cebu didn't provide much excitement, and AC remains a mixed bag. Lots of banter on ISG about whether AC is still worth it. Some dudes love it and live by it and others have completely discarded it. For me, a lot depends on where you're coming from, how much time and money you got, and what your choices are.
FG has recently posted about how bad things are in and America, even for dudes under 45, and that goes for all western countries. Dating is hell in those places, and mongering super expensive for short lasting returns. Western civs have made life one big f'ing horror movie. FG also laid out the serious expenses involved for a trip across the ocean. If I were based in the West, I would not choose AC as my first choice unless I had good money to spend and enough time to make it one leg of a multi-leg tour. The girls are really getting harder to deal with in PH, so its nothing like it used to be, but its probably still a lot better than options back home in the West.
Its different if you are based in Asia like me. Living in various NE and SE Asian countries over 3 decades changes your standards a lot. I dated hot Asian civs for most of my adult life, so the average AC girl doesn't look that great to me, compared to the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, HKers, Taiwanese, Viets, Indos, Thais, and Filipina freebies I picked up in nightclubs week after week Age prevents me from doing that much now, though it still happens once every couple months, even as I hit 60. That's the advantage of living and working in Asia. If you wake up at 2 am with a horny fever and know where to go, you can go out and have a 50-50 chance of bringing a girl back paid or freebie by 4 and fuck her until noon. If PH and TH gogos were still like the good ol days, I'the target them more and recommend more highly. But I can't yet do that. Ill keep AC on the list of stopovers, since Clark is convenient, because I can still get a few hotties for half to one third what it costs in more expensive Asian capitals. But its not worth a special trip for me, at least for a few more years until the civ well completely dries up.
Old And Ugly
08-04-24, 09:42
A real misunderstanding is that is easy to get sex in the US if you're young and good looking. I am semi young-ish (comparatively) now although my strongest days are behind me, I lived my 30's as a very good looking fit guy with a cool condo by the water in LA and a nice job. It was then and still is A LOT OF WORK AND MONEY to get laid. Yeah you can get a lot of matches on Bumble and Tinder, and yeah you can meet a girl at a bar and exchange numbers. The chances of you taking a girl home from a bar on any given night and getting sex is about 3%. The chances of you having sex on the first Tinder date is about 12%. Hookup culture is a myth. Women hold all the cards. Can you get sex eventually from these girls? Yes, that's close to 100% if you really want to. But it takes dates, drinks, dinners, which aint cheap, and the sex timeline is completely up to them, and then usually when you do have sex it may or may not be good, and then usually she gets attached so there's that extra level of complication.
The Philippines is magical. You can have sex any night. Sometimes for free, sometimes not, but still way less out of pocket comparatively. Then the next night you get to have someone new, or perhaps decide to be with the one before. Every night is an adventure that can end however you want it to.Actually that's what I said, it takes effort and time to do it at home and you'll have to deal with the "pink fog" covering the brains of most western women, but if you get skilled at it, then there are more opportunities available now than before. On the other hand here girls are ready available with little effort or with money and no effort, but it will cost him the extras for the airfare and lodging. I'm not sure about the exact percentage of the successful encounters that you mentioned, it seems kind of low, you may be right, but in my experience I know that when a woman walks alone in a bar, she goes there for the sole purpose of finding a mate, or at least it used to be that way back in my days. I gave up on that many years ago after getting old and becoming invisible to them. They look thru me without noticing me.
NapaSlapper
08-04-24, 11:48
Latest news and bar hops over last couple of weeks.
Rather than name all the bars visited, drinks prices in each bar, girl prices in each bar its fair to say most customer local beer prices range from 100 pesos in the small bars with few girls to 180 pesos in the larger bars that have shows and more girls.
Lady drinks prices in most of the walking st bars I visit are 350-400 pesos, many lady drinks are just a small glass of juice, I'm sure one could insist on the bar girl having a bottled beer for same price but I find most girls order the juice over the beer.
Barfines are all over the place, but generally its 4,000 peso in a small bar for an below average older not popular chubby, 5,000-6,000 peso for most other girls, most if not all the more popular girls are short time, one pop girls, which means once one comes the girl is getting her clothes back on ready to return to her bar for the next customer, yes its possible to maybe talk an older, fatter non popular girl to stay longer lets face it these type of girls have little choice.
Many of the top 10% of angeles girls are drinks only girls or cherry girls (virgins).
Ok walking st bars which had a handful of girls that were ok looking (not stunners by any stretch of the imagination) were Avalon bar, Q bar, Xs bar, madonna bar, Gold moon bar, these are all asian oriented bars so fully expect the girls to mainly prefer the company of asian men only.
Bars that were worth stopping for one drink and had at least one ok looking girl were monsoon bar, pera bar, vikings bar, atlantis bar.
Bars that we popped our heads into but did not stay for a drinks due to no lookers, geckos bar, lollipop bar, masquarade bar, camelot bar.
Prices always seem to be on the move upwards from punters drinks, lady drinks, bar fines and hotel and food costs, it is what it is unfortunately.
Angeles city walking street was always a run down area but now it is a full on building site, the road has been torn up to lay drainage leaving the whole st looking like a dump.
Chris Long
08-04-24, 14:46
Have not been to walking street or the bars or bar fining for the past week. Adopted a 20 year old from Cebu to move in and live with me. Walked along walking street tonight from around 7 to 8 pm again 70 to 90% of the guys were korean the only guys I seen with girls were Korean and every girl they had was a 7 or above even seen them with a couple of arguable 9's. Door girls security managers all yelled much loader when they walked by and often said nothing when a none Korean walked by.
A few days ago talked my girl into trying a try a threesome, not my girls first time with a women as she revealed to me when she was a teenager an older girl had seduced her. Picked up a girl from Madonna I let my girl pick out the girl and she chose an attractive girl not the one I would of pickled but an attractive girl. The girl said she had never been with a women before and this was her first time with another women. Back in the room I was surprised at how my girl was the dominant one and took charge over the other girl, even brought her to an orgasm. I guess a women knows where to touch and what to do to bring on a orgasm in another women. As we walked by Madonna tonight the girl came running out and hugged and kissed my girl and didn't want to let her go. I was surprised at the attention and how much she was into my girl. Will see if I can get my girl to do another threesome next week.
FuriousGeorge
08-04-24, 21:38
You have to frame your time in AC as a vacation, not just opportunities to orgasm, otherwise it's probably not worth it. For me there's value in having a break from work, hanging around all day, wandering the city, eating lunch, playing some pool, flirting with some civilians and daytime bargirls, and then having a nighttime adventure that pretty much always results in sex. If you stay for a month and then take your total bill for flight, hotel, food, drinks, barfines, etc, and then divide it by the number of times you cum, well that's probably not good value for most fellas. But the math isn't quite that simple, because if you were home in the US that month you'd be paying high prices for Ubers, food / drinks, civilian dates, Kgirls (but oh my are they talented), all likely resulting in much less cumming.
You have to frame your time in AC as a vacation, not just opportunities to orgasm, otherwise it's probably not worth it..While I agree that there is certainly another 22 hours in the day, picking AC to otherwise 'hangout' doesn't appeal to me at all. The place is a complete shit hole and, besides fucking, drinking and maybe meeting some resident friends, has no redeeming features.
There are many other places with better food, beaches, hotels, golf etc.
Enjoy. G.
FuriousGeorge
08-05-24, 09:41
Of course. Everybody has to do their own evaluation. My last trip to AC I met a handsome man in his 30's that I hung with. A good wingman at the bars. He had started his trip in Boracay and was bored senseless. He got to AC and was out of his mind. Money was no object. This dude was out of control. Multiple barfines a day, going hard day and night every day. He loved it. He planned on moving there. That's not my jam. I'm somewhere in between. I will not likely retire in AC. Because yes it's a bit of a dump. But for a month, I enjoy it very much.
While I agree that there is certainly another 22 hours in the day, picking AC to otherwise 'hangout' doesn't appeal to me at all. The place is a complete shit hole and, besides fucking, drinking and maybe meeting some resident friends, has no redeeming features.
There are many other places with better food, beaches, hotels, golf etc.
Enjoy. G.
Expat American
08-05-24, 14:47
Of course. Everybody has to do their own evaluation. My last trip to AC I met a handsome man in his 30's that I hung with. A good wingman at the bars. He had started his trip in Boracay and was bored senseless. He got to AC and was out of his mind. Money was no object. This dude was out of control. Multiple barfines a day, going hard day and night every day. He loved it. He planned on moving there. That's not my jam. I'm somewhere in between. I will not likely retire in AC. Because yes it's a bit of a dump. But for a month, I enjoy it very much.Reminds me of my younger self. Back in 2004 when I first discovered AC, my mind was blown as well. I fucked six girls a day for 4 days straight. Bar girls, non pros, ST, LT all of it. Plus my dick was hard 16 hours a day because in the bars the girls would be rubbing it non stop while shoving boobs in my face. Damn, I miss the old AC, but I miss the old ME even more. LOL.
While I agree that there is certainly another 22 hours in the day, picking AC to otherwise 'hangout' doesn't appeal to me at all. The place is a complete shit hole and, besides fucking, drinking and maybe meeting some resident friends, has no redeeming features.
There are many other places with better food, beaches, hotels, golf etc.
Enjoy. G.Have to agree G _ A shithole and I only frequent AC for business and have only been there a few times. Got another trip lined up later this month and will give a report.
I figure that if you're hitting the Phils, after travelling and paying for hotels etc. Expensive lady drinks and bar fines, you may as well find a hooker, titty bar or a brothel in your own country.
If I'm travelling to the Phills, I like to be by the sea and water as it's an island country, to have a semi vacation between work commitments.
Sure, there isn't the gogo scene or girly bars in a lot of these nice locations, but you just have to ask the right questions of the locals and you'll be pleasantly surprised what you can find at a relatively cheap rate and more often than not, very much sincere. You can also add them to your future contact list. Just my experience. Phil.
Reminds me of my younger self. Back in 2004 when I first discovered AC, my mind was blown as well. I fucked six girls a day for 4 days straight. Bar girls, non pros, ST, LT all of it. Plus my dick was hard 16 hours a day because in the bars the girls would be rubbing it non stop while shoving boobs in my face. Damn, I miss the old AC, but I miss the old ME even more. LOL.I had a good laugh at this. Getting old really does suck big time. 😁.
My fondest memory was a few buddies meeting up and gathering an entourage of 6 to 10 girls and partying as a pub crawl around town. If a couple flaked or passed out, it was no concern as the cost per unit was so low and there were always a few others on hand to choose from.
Good times indeed. G.
My last trip to Angeles City was in 2007. Back then there was a club in which the girls got on stage and sang a Boom Boom song. That never failed to get me hard. It was in Tagalog so I could not understand what the girls were singing except for the part that went 'Boom Boom Boom'. Anyone knows anything about that song?
WestCoast1
08-07-24, 16:19
My last trip to Angeles City was in 2007. Back then there was a club in which the girls got on stage and sang a Boom Boom song. That never failed to get me hard. It was in Tagalog so I could not understand what the girls were singing except for the part that went 'Boom Boom Boom'. Anyone knows anything about that song?You did search BOOM BOOM BOOM on YT, yes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llyiQ4I-mcQ&pp=ygUTYm9vbSBib29tIGJvb20gc29uZw%3D%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m48GqaOz90
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V-VLGCeauKA
You did search BOOM BOOM BOOM on YT, yes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llyiQ4I-mcQ&pp=ygUTYm9vbSBib29tIGJvb20gc29uZw%3D%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m48GqaOz90
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V-VLGCeauKALOL!!! Dude, its not on Youtube.
Damn, I miss the old AC, but I miss the old ME even more. LOL.So true. But on a good night AC can still remind me a bit of the old me. Which is why I keep going there, while most newbies probably look around and think WTF?
WestCoast1
08-09-24, 07:40
LOL!!! Dude, its not on Youtube.Apology, didn't see the Tagalog part. Old age. Adding that in, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVH1uK72SyA
And:
Chicka Chicka Boom Boom.
Chicka chicka boom boom!
Chicka chicka boom boom!
Chicka chicka boom boom!
Sinabi ni A kay be, at sinabi ni be kay see.
"Magkikita tayo sa tuktok ng puno ng niyog!
"Ay!" sabi ni the, sa E, F, G.
"Tatalo kita hanggang sa tuktok ng puno ng niyog!
Chicka chicka boom boom!
Magkakaroon ba ng sapat na silid?
Dito dumating H ang puno ng niyog.
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/chicka-chicka-boom-boom-chicka-chicka-boom-boom.html
And:
Ilabas mo na ang inyong tambol.
Ang torotot mong itinago sa baul.
Pwede kang gumamit ng kutsara't tinidor.
Habang may sumisipol.
Itono mo ng ayos ang iyong gitara.
Nang hindi sintunado pag ako'why kumanta.
Pag nagkaroling dapat lahat ay masaya.
Ang Pasko ay sasapit na.
Refrain:
Pasko na, pasko na.
Tayo nang magkaisa.
Pasko na, pasko na.
Simulan na ang saya.
Chorus:
Boom tarat tarat, boom tarat tarat.
Tararat tararat, boom boom boom.
https://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/w/willie_revillame/boom_tarat_tarat_pasko_na.html
Apology, didn't see the Tagalog part. Old age. Adding that in, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVH1uK72SyA
And:
Chicka Chicka Boom Boom.
Chicka chicka boom boom!
Chicka chicka boom boom!
Chicka chicka boom boom!
Sinabi ni A kay be, at sinabi ni be kay see.
"Magkikita tayo sa tuktok ng puno ng niyog!
"Ay!" sabi ni the, sa E, F, G.
"Tatalo kita hanggang sa tuktok ng puno ng niyog!
Chicka chicka boom boom!
Magkakaroon ba ng sapat na silid?
Dito dumating H ang puno ng niyog.
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/chicka-chicka-boom-boom-chicka-chicka-boom-boom.html
And:
Ilabas mo na ang inyong tambol.
Ang torotot mong itinago sa baul.
Pwede kang gumamit ng kutsara't tinidor.
Habang may sumisipol.
Itono mo ng ayos ang iyong gitara.
Nang hindi sintunado pag ako'why kumanta.
Pag nagkaroling dapat lahat ay masaya.
Ang Pasko ay sasapit na.
Refrain:
Pasko na, pasko na.
Tayo nang magkaisa.
Pasko na, pasko na.
Simulan na ang saya.
Chorus:
Boom tarat tarat, boom tarat tarat.
Tararat tararat, boom boom boom.
https://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/w/willie_revillame/boom_tarat_tarat_pasko_na.htmlGood find but that's not it. After singing in tagalog for the verse or part thereof the girls then shouted "BOOM BOOM BOOM". Imagine hot Filipinas in skimpy outfits singing this. Guaranteed to make you barfine.
So true. But on a good night AC can still remind me a bit of the old me. Which is why I keep going there, while most newbies probably look around and think WTF?Yes, in the old days I had more stamina than money. Now I have more money than stamina. Such is life. AC still fits the bill.
NapaSlapper
08-11-24, 11:21
Was planning to have the last few days relaxing at home, with the state of the roads in walking street like a garbage tip, I really had no interest in hitting the town, sat at home with a drink in hand, girlfriend by my side, movie on and lights turned low, that is until multiple calls from my good friend darren, he was bored, he wanted to go out, he wanted to meet and try the new maddona bar on walking st, I had been there before and had previously told darren it was an ok bar, honey, darren wants me to meet him, go go was her answer, ok ok, darren, ill meet you there 8. 30 pm.
Got my driver to drop me off at the top of walking st, heading towards madonna bar it seemed that there was no security or door girls outside madonna, was it closed? Yes, it seems no sooner had this bar spent very large on renovations and finally had been open a month or so it had been raided and closed down, how long for or why I am not sure, was later to find out that not only was madonna bar raided and closed but two other bars had had the same fate on the same night.
We headed straight for some of the western bars, monsoon bar, very quiet, about 8-10 girls, no other customers, stayed for 1 drink, no lady drinks bought as no lookers.
Next was champagne 1 bar, fairly quiet too for girls and punters, about 10 girls, one that was just cute but no more, friend asked her to sit for a lady drink, 350 peso, girl was pleasant but said she was not feeling well when friend asked how much the bar fine was, waste of a lady drink later we moved on.
Club atlantis, boy has this place fallen on harder times, where few years ago this bar had 20 door girls and several outside security, 150 odd dancers on any given night we were now down to about 20 girls, some fat, some plain, some older, one girl stood out by far,22 years old, fairly tall and slim, nice enough face, not a model by any stretch but the best we had seen so far, only problem, she was already sitting with 3 koreans, it did seem though they were ready to leave, my friend was gutted, he wanted her, wait a moment, the koreans were leaving but not with said girl, she was making her way back to the stage by passing our table, I caught ber attention and gently led her by the hand to sit next to my friend, lady drink ordered, she seemed friendly and giggled a lot, she was giving my friend positive signals, second lady drink ordered (I thought this was a mistake, buy the one drink and ask if she barfines is best) but friend was caught up in the moment, drinks done with, on to the burning question, would she barfine? Her answer, sorry honey, I got my monthlies, maybe another time (standard excuse for drinks only girls not to leave) obviously as this girl was the best in club atlantis it seems bait and switch is much mor profitable than barfining for the better girls.
On to the last bar and angeles best bar by a long way, club XS, I had now been joined by 3 korean friends, we were not disapointed, plenty of ok looking girls, great dance shows, one of the black tape girls is a real honey, bought her a lady drink (normally do, she is a cherry girl and does not barfine) she was her normal charming, friendly self, a good night is always guaranteed in club XS, yes the girls that will actually barfine are mostly asian only girls, many girls are drinks only girls, a good few cherry girls, but the decor, the ambience, the friendly manager and staff, the very professional dance shows etc make Xs club a worth while place (not for those that want point and shoot or plenty of girl attention for non asians.
Her answer, sorry honey, I got my monthlies, maybe another time (standard excuse for drinks only girls not to leave) obviously as this girl was the best in club atlantis it seems bait and switch is much mor profitable than barfining for the better girls.
Great report Napa _ Another reason I've been seeking girls from outside the typical go-go scene for some time now. I absolutely refuse to buy lady (fruit juice) drinks for those who won't put out.
I know a lot of guys talk about the good old days, but they were.
You knew your potential LT was all sorted and you didn't mind paying for a few ladies drinks for her before leaving.
Admittedly cashflow isn't really the an issue for me. Yet, I have problems with paying dead money on fruit juice to profit an owner of the bar who is clearly not offering their 'employee' for service.
The monthlies have always been a great way out for the the girls. In my opinion, if you get the monthly excuse from any of them, just move on and enjoy other opportunities.
Just my experience _ Phil.
The monthlies have always been a great way out for the the girls. In my opinion, if you get the monthly excuse from any of them, just move on and enjoy other opportunities.
Vote 1 for bring back the old Blood Boards. 😳.
G.
Vote 1 for bring back the old Blood Boards. 😳.
G.Hi G, I think we're on the same page, but an old butcher I knew way back in the 90's used to refer to them as Coolite Boards.
"Coolite is a generic Australian term for any one of a number of small, inexpensive polystyrene beaded-foam surfboards. It was the introductory board for thousands of pre-teen surfers in the 1960 & 70's. Also a term used for a period pad".
I'm actually catching up with a former contact next week in Sabang who once gave me the monthly excuse. Normally, I'd brush off a girl with excuses and move on, but she's a more of a friend now and has never asked for cash in return, so not a bar girl, just a waitress I happened to befriend and tipped accordingly for her amazing service.
_ Phil.
LoveItHere69
08-14-24, 19:26
The sides of Walking Street from McArthur to Mega Dance are torn up. Not sure when they started but two days prior they had punched holes in the street from McArthur up to Madonna bar so that it will be easier to breakup in pieces. Now the holes are in front of Shooters (next to Kokomos). They are going to go all the way up to the Walking Street sign in front of Mega Dance. That whole street will be taken out. Rainy season ends mid-October so that street will be a complete disaster. I doubt it will be finished before year end. Christmas Miracles do not happen on the actual Walking Street. The street is cursed. I swear the city keeps messing with that street to drive everyone out of business because I have never seen a street anywhere being constantly worked on as that one. I just can not understand how Mr. Boots-on-the-ground has not properly warned visitors of this very important piece of information.
Returned after 6 months for 4 days and then going north Luzon for some outdoorsy stuff if weather allows. I saw what I believe is a new girlie bar named SS (Sensational Sound?) on the back street across from Starking near Queens Hotel. Dragon Bar sign went up today at the Club Asia location. Not open yet. Madonna was open today. Madonna might have been open yesterday but the outside lighting was out. Envy is all tore up. Paradise Sports bar next to McD's is closed but the businesses behind are open.
If anyone wants to meet I can show you my Korean friends group photo and you can see that I am really here. .
The sides of Walking Street from McArthur to Mega Dance are torn up.
\Hi 69, but a little late to cancel for me as I have a business trip planned months ago and will be there in a week or so.
I don't do Angeles very often due to work and as the typical Waking Street bar scene isn't necessarily my go-to. But I always seem to find other options in the surrounding streets.
Just like Sabang has had their boardwalk upgrade taking an eternity to get completed, I assume despite the interruptions, there will still be plenty of succulent gristle grippers to discover _ Phil.
The sides of Walking Street from McArthur to Mega Dance are torn up. .Thanks for the tip but I think a torn up street suits Walkng St's ambience. It is always torn up. It always reminds me of French troops and civilians retreating in 1940: side cars, exhaust fumes, beggars and fat buffalos watching on. The only practical consequence I see is having to get a trike home in the evening so as not to break an ankle. The Yanks may have closed their bases but the place still has the whiff of their urine and their droppings. Yet, Jesus lives there too.
Mushuu, if you read AC posts and reports closely from the past couple years it should be crystal clear. Even if the bros don't all agree on the current state, and a good time can still be had in AC depending on your pocketbook and patience, things aint what they used to be. Overnight is far from guaranteed. Only single prices, 4-6 k, generally given now, often meaning 1-3 hours. Girls might smile and say sure to overnight before you BF at the bar and then run like hell the moment your first shot comes out at the hotel. Absolutely no guarantees or remedies from bars, mamasans, or managers.
Overnight is still possible but less likely and shitloads more work. Leverage is all with the girl once BF is paid, except for the carrot of a morning tip that you hold in front of her, but younger girls don't seem to care about that once the BF is paid.
In addition to Central Park, Wild Orchid and Queens are good options with better pool areas, good security, and decent atmosphere. Look forward to seeing your reports.No that I haven't read up, but I am refusing to believe. I was in AC a year ago, and that's what my comments were about. I am hoping that things stayed the same. Before I was in AC last time, people wrote the same reports about the changing climate. Last year, I had similar experiences as 5 years prior. Theres still a little hope.
Hoping things are same and perhaps its the mongers expecting more than. Should be back on AC in a few months and hoping to report good things. I first came when bar fines were 2 k, so just like everything else, expecting to pay more for similar service. Anyways, I normally find one girl for the whole night so I do expect and willing to pay more for it. Get as many nuts in as possible out of it too. XS has been the best out of service and expectations from girls. I can't speak of the other bars. Mega has never failed me, and a good place to pick up group of girls all at once. And willing to take much less than the clubs. These were experience last year. I'm older now, and fatter, so we will see how it all comes together. I've been around the world as well, besides Thailand, for price and expectations, PH still wins. I hope to report back on this upcoming trip. Thanks for the info, and I will set my own expectations accordingly.
Thanks for the tip but I think a torn up street suits Walkng St's ambience. It is always torn up. It always reminds me of French troops and civilians retreating in 1940: side cars, exhaust fumes, beggars and fat buffalos watching on. The only practical consequence I see is having to get a trike home in the evening so as not to break an ankle. The Yanks may have closed their bases but the place still has the whiff of their urine and their droppings. Yet, Jesus lives there too.It hasn't affected foot traffic and the daily late pm Parade of pussy that is fun to watch from Kokomos. There's still hotties to be had, lads, if you have an ounce of game and pocket full of pisos. Got to regular there, too, that has a great body and -- you guessed it -- De cups with a real tight pussy. She fucks me like she loves me. Cheers.
Chris Long
08-17-24, 06:22
Angeles City is an Overpriced SHIT HOLE with Sub five girls who are Bigoted Prejudice and Raciest and do NOT like to go with Non-Koreans.
Spent two months in Angeles City just returned on Monday.
OVERPRICED: All bar fines are between 4000 k to 5000 k with 5000 k being the most common bar fine price, some girls in the bars being 6000 k, Perimeter Road bars were all 3500 k.
QUALITY OF WOMAN: LOW LOW LOW. Most women in the bars were 4's and 5's rather they were Korean or non-Korean owned bars a few 6's an occasional 7 seen some rare 8's and 9's around but mostly not in the bars just on the streets with Korean customers. Permeator Road bars 99% were sub five. Found the BJ bars, around the corner from Garfield's and the one on Raymond Street to have Only sub five women that would have to pay me to have sex with them.
BIGOTED PREJUDICE AND RACIEST: Overwhelmingly the girls WANT Korean customers first don't have to be young and hansom can be old fat and a slob but as long as you are Korean you will be their number one choice. Number two will be a non-Korean who is exceptionally hansom. If you do NOT fall into either of these two categories, you will find it VERY DIFFICULT to get a girl from the bars.
FREELANCERS: Almost Non-Existent a few in front of Phillies but 99% will be lady boys. Did not notice Any during the two months I was there at the other end around McDonalds. Most freelancers were wanting 2000 k. Did not walk on the back streets seemed to dark and dangerous. Was going to go one night but had a retarded poorly dressed teenage boy walking to close behind me. Crossed to the other side of the street pretended to be looking at one of the stores and letting him walk past me. But he just lingered on the other side of the street like he was waiting for me so just turned around and walked back to walking street. Did pass by those streets a couple of times around fivish and sevenish when it was still light but didn't see much there one or two sub five girls.
TOOK ME FOUR DAYS TO GET LAID: Have been visiting AC yearly since 2012 but have not been there since 2019. Arrived June 12th. Seen little to NO freelancers the occasional ones I seen were sub five and I was not interested in them. Visited the BJ bars around the corner from Garfield's and the one that's left on Raymond Street and found nothing but sub five women that would have to pay me to have sex with them. Visited the Perimeter Road Bars but found them to be stocked with sub five girls who would have to pay me to have sex with them. Under the mistaken belief that as a 60 something Caucasian male I would not have any luck in a Korean owned bar I only visited the non-Korean owned Wolf Hound Group. Dog House group and the new Mieko Group bars. During the first four days. Had a 0. 0% success rate. Was invisible ignored and felt Not Wanted. Luckly, I found the majority of women in those bars to be in the 4 and 5 range in looks so really didn't care if they didn't want to go with me. Later in my trip out of curiosity I went back into many of those bars and bought a drink for the girls I thought were the best looking to see if they would actually bar fine. Went into Lucifers no one paid any attention to me but out of curiosity wanted to see if I could actually get a girl. So had the waitress ask the first girl if I could buy her a drink. We talked, I brought up bar fining and she said she would think about it, and I thought to myself I'll think about coming back into your bar and spending my money again. Had the waitress ask a second one to come over but she said she had menstruation. What that means is you're not Korean and you're not hansom enough. Went into Doll House and talked with an unusually attractive girl who was young Brook Shields looking solid 8. I brought up bar fining and she just crinkled her nose and said in a negative voice "I don't know" I just crinkled my nose and said I don't know if I'm going to spend any more money in your bar. A month and a half later I was actually able to get this girl every day for the last two week of my trip. Towards the end of my trip At the pool party met a Doll House bar girl that I bar fined several nights in a row back in 2014 who is now overweight has lost her looks and working as a waitress at Doll House, actually met four waitresses who I knew as bar girls some 10 something years ago who are now overweight and have lost their looks and working as waitresses. She advocated for me, and I was able to get the stuck-up Brook Shields looking 8 to go with me for the last two weeks of my trip. Tried talking to another attractive girl at Doll House during the first four days who turned out to be the older cousin of the Attractive Young Brook Shields Looking Girl. At first, she said she had to leave early and couldn't, but at the end of my trip the waitress advocated for me, and she agreed to bar fine with me both girls told me they ONLY go with Korean customers, but the waitress told them I was a really nice guy. The waitress was able to get a third girl from there to bar fine with me as well. Without the waitress advocating for me I would have had a 0. 0% success rate there. Went into Miekos Dragon bar during the first four days and bought a drink for a Hot solid 8 looking girl, she sat next to me like she was sitting next to Frankenstein's Monster and when I brought up bar fining it was a definite and strong NO got up walked over to the counter paid the tab and left, never set foot in Miekos bar again and never spent another peso in Miekos bar again.
After my fourth day and having not been laid yet, figured what the hell, and walked into a Korean owned bar, Cosplay, within two minutes of sitting down had a manager / supervisor / whatever come up to me and ask me what girl I wanted, telling me which ones were new which ones had no babies so I picked what I thought was the Hottest girl there she came down for a drink. After the four days of solid being ignored and rejected in the non-Korean bars I 100% expected this girl to tell me no. To my utter disbelief and surprise, she was completely agreeable, and bar fined with me, in disbelief I paid the bar fine and walked out with her still not believing this is actually happening. Went back to Cosplay every day sometimes twice a day for a week straight and bar fined which ever girl I wanted only one time did a girl tell me she only goes with Koreans. I eventually found my way into Sky Fall where the same scenario happed manager / supervisor / whatever come up to me and ask me what girl I wanted, telling me which ones were new which ones had no babies. Had 80% success in getting whatever girl I wanted from there with only 20% of the ones I wanted being Korean only girls. Had some pretty good luck in SS bar on Fields as well. Found Viking despite being a Korean owned bar to be more western in that no one comes up to you and the girls don't notice you or show you any attention. Found High Quality to be very unfriendly to non-Koreans and got the since they really didn't want us in there. But apart from that I found many of the Korean owned bars to be the BEST bars for getting girls. The non-Korean bars to be really a waste of time and money and not worth visiting unless you just want to relax and watch girl who won't go with you.
MonkeyBlaster
08-17-24, 09:13
I've pulled 4 hot girls from sisters past. One really rocked my world. As far as Angeles goes, if you're not Korean than you may as well go elsewhere. Sad, because I've heard so many good things about Angeles past. I also made a trip to Puerta Galera where I found a couple good girls, but they too came from a Korean bar. Most girls would not pay any attention to you if you weren't Korean. Boss is where I went. I have spent most of my time in Makati- Marqee which has been amazing in the girls I met. But, damn they hound the hell out of you for drinks and tips-even from the bartenders. So you have to go in-pick your girls and get the hell out. SO QUESTION for all of you experienced guys- Pattaya, Bangkok, Cambodia or Vietnam? I would really love Japan, but it seems like not the easiest place to figure out. Appreciate any advice. I live in the Philippines but getting Korean bar'd out. Thanks.
I passed through AC after Cebu in July. I also thought the Korean presence has become even greater than before. There are a bunch of newer Korean resto-bars on the eastern end of Walking Street now.
I know we all have our own experiences and perspectives. It strikes me that different places vary greatly from night to night, and even hour to hour. For example, you seem to have taken a liking to Sky Fall. I went there around 9 and could not find a single girl of the 30 there that I could even stomach. Were the girls you saw there really that hot? They all looked a bit homely to me.
Regarding Lucifers, big ditto. I was there on payday, so they all showed up and pretended to be energetic. There were some good looking ones, including a very hot, tall, slender 30 something who I saw leaving WS with a Western gentleman the night before. But I invited the shortest one on stage down for a drink. She was petite. 4'9" and under 40 kgs! But very cute and body was hot. We had a nice chat, but when I brought up the BF, she said she was a virgin and doesn't BF. I told her it was complete BS and left to find BF at another bar that night. I have never BFd from Lucifers. It is lame, as you say.
The thing you say about total inattention sometimes happens in other places. I BFd 2 very good looking girls from XS in the same week (report forthcoming). I was getting ready to make XS my only bar of choice, but then the next 2 nights I visited there, they totally ignored me in the same way Lucifers ignored you. XS has at least 30 lookers even after midnight, and there werent many customers at all. But like you mention, I could not get anyone to pay attention to me. All the waitresses and mamas were just in their own little worlds. It seemed almost intentional, and I was wondering if the last ne I had BFd there hadn't spread some lie about me. She was a tiny, 27 yo black tape dancer. Looked great and was recommended by a mama, but I remember she told when while still at the bar that one XS mama was her older sister with a big age difference. My night with her turned out bad, she sucked in bed and smelled bad between the legs. I didn't tip her, so maybe she said some BS. Anyway, XS went from top of list to bottom. But sometimes you have to just keep going back and find the right person on the right night.
Same with those who don't BF. I have been refused BF more times this trip than ever, even 2 refusals within an hour on the same night. It is true that some places prefer Koreans, but it is really hit or miss. The main thing that guys got to understand here if they are new to AC or haven't been there a while is that girls are finding more excuses to be picky, so it is taking a lot more work to get it good there. As your posts attest to, for some guys, persistence is key. If you get dissed, ignored, or rejected some place, just keep moving to other places and you'll come up with something by nights end, sometimes better, sometimes worse, sometimes a diamond in the rough. And if the place failed you on the night before, try it again the next night and it might lay the golden egg.
When they ignore me or refuse to BF me, I think ok, you just got a couple hundred for the lady drink, but someone else is going to get that 5-6 k BF tonight. Its the bars or girls loss.
But all in all, AC is bigger pain in the ass and more money for fewer and fewer diamonds. Almost no overnights now, and bring your favored condoms, because you are going to need them more and more.
.... a good night is always guaranteed in club XS, yes the girls that will actually barfine are mostly asian only girls, many girls are drinks only girls, a good few cherry girls, but the decor, the ambience, the friendly manager and staff, the very professional dance shows etc make Xs club a worth while place (not for those that want point and shoot or plenty of girl attention for non asians.This big change, not being able to BF most girls without much discussion and she staying until next morning, is for me reason enough not to invest money and time anymore into that Korean show-village. I can have those club-things at many other countries.
FuriousGeorge
08-17-24, 23:49
This seems very strange. I found it almost impossible not to get laid in AC. At least you figured out a route that seemed to work for your situation. Serious question, how's your dress / hygiene? Like a serious objective assessment.
I actually like that the girls get the choice. If she doesn't want to go with you, it's guaranteed the sex is going to be bad, and you just saved yourself some time and money. Although a waitress at Masquerade whom I knew from Q bar said she left Q because all dancers and even the waitresses are required to barfine if asked. That's why she left. Not sure if that's still the case.
Miekos is a cool place to play pool upstairs during the day and BS with other gringos. Went at night to the gogo downstairs but didn't see anyone that caught my interest.
Went into Miekos Dragon bar during the first four days and bought a drink for a Hot solid 8 looking girl, she sat next to me like she was sitting next to Frankenstein's Monster and when I brought up bar fining it was a definite and strong NO got up walked over to the counter paid the tab and left, never set foot in Miekos bar again and never spent another peso in Miekos bar again.
This seems very strange. I found it almost impossible not to get laid in AC. Serious question, how's your dress / hygiene? Like a serious objective assessment.
I actually like that the girls get the choice. If she doesn't want to go with you...If you are fat, she may say you are BIG! If she does not want to go with you, then she will say she is having her PERIOD. Many ways of saying you are not up to her standard for getting laid / her getting paid. Sometimes mamasan will say she is "new" which means she does not put out, but wants you to walk her around and have blue balls.
Chris Long
08-18-24, 06:43
A little about me: Early 60's Caucasian, well educated, PHD. JD. In education but make more money from my investments than from my profession. Don't drink smoke or eat bad food. A health food nut and gym junkie, fairly thin and fit, 6'1' in height. Even at my age I would consider myself a 6 out of ten. Had back surgery in December so not as flexible as I used to be and suffer from vertigo which causes me to lose my balance and fall sometimes. Not overweight, not bald, dress well and always clean.
DISCOS: Went into Skytrax once in the two months I was there. Not that crowded most girls were with someone and did not seem like the place for freelancers. Always seemed fairly slow every time I walked by it. Hammer & Mega Dance went into each of them maybe a half dozen time in the two months I was there anywhere from 12 midnight to 3: am staid 10 to 30 minutes each time I want in and walked around the bar each time I went in. The women were always in groups and most of the time the groups included a guy or two or three. Never got any looks or smiles and as I walked around, they never seemed to notice me. I did not cold approach any group of girls especially if there were guys in the group, sounds like a good way to get a punch in the face. Just walked around and looked for anyone who was looking in my direction or smiling. None ever did. Mega dance seemed more like the place for freelancers than hammer where they all seemed like girls just going out to have fun with their girls or boyfriends. Stood by the bathroom once at Mega Dance trying to meet girls as they were coming and going. Made a few Playfull jokes and comments and complicated them on their looks "WOW a 9.5. If you smile you can bring it up to a 10" They would usually smile and be Playfull back, but none ever stopped or engaged just liked the comments and the jokes and kept walking. Had two sub 5's engage me in conversation at mega dance but I wasn't interested in them, so I was Playfull and polite but then made an excuse and left. Was curious if I could actually get a girl at mega dance so approached a couple who I thought were 7's but up close they were only 6's who were sitting in the lobby downstairs before you enter. Was Playfull and joked they seemed receptive when I brought up the ideal of going back to my hotel with me, they were willing to go I offered 2000 k but they wanted 3000 k I was not interested in paying 3000 k for 6's didn't really Bargen hard or try to get them down just made some excuse and left. On another occasion talked with another 6 in her mid 20's standing outside of the club about to leave. Was Playfull talked she seemed interested in leaving with me even followed me for a few steps but decided I really wasn't interested in her so never brought up the subject of us leaving together or price just made some excuse and left. So had a 0. 0% success rate at the discos. I would usually sit at kokamos or walk around some after leaving the disco and many times I would see many of the same groups of girls I had seen at the disco leaving in the same group with no guys attached. This told me that they are not going there specifically to be freelancers and find a customer for the night. Not like high society 10 years ago in its prime when the place was packed with freelancers looking to make some money. These girls in the disco today are going there to hang out with their friends if the right guy, A Korean guy or an exceptionally hansom non-Korean guy approaches them, and the price is right they are open to going but if not, no big deal they are not there to pick up customers just there to hang out with their girls.
Could I have gotten laid during the first four days: I would like to think yes. But I am very choosy. I only go with women I consider to be a 7 or above, of course everyone's version of a 7 or above is different. I only go with women between the ages of 18 and 21. I have never in my whole life been with anyone under 18, I was virgin until I was 22 and any women over the age of 21 would have to be a perfect 10 for me to take her. Where I willing to take women below a 7 in looks or over the age of 21, I would like to think my success rate would have been much higher. But I did not spend $1000+ on a plane ticket spend an entire day in a plane to get there and an entire day to get back and pay $100+ for a girl who's a 4 or 5 or in her mid 20's with a 1000+ body count.
Koreans: I have zero animosity towards the Koreans as many of them were Great guys and many of the bar owners would comp my drink (I only drink Gatorade) I don't blame them for taking advantage of the situation in AC today, where old white guys the rave in AC and girls were choosing me over everyone else just because I am an old white guy I would be taking full advantage of it and soaking it up as well. My animosity and growing resentment and even hatred is for the bigoted raciest prejudice girls who turn me down and don't even give me a chance because of my race and choose other guys not because of their looks or their personality but simply because of their race.
I've never been to Angeles, and probably never will, because everyone says it is a shithole except for the bars. And I don't like bars. So no reason for me to go, as you can get girls elsewhere if you want.
But, I have to ask, why would you spend two months there if it is that bad? I hope you were on business or something. Otherwise, my advice is to book a few days to see if you like it, and then move on to another place if you don't. If AC is bad, then go to Manila or somewhere else. But don't stay in a lousy place for two months!
WestCoast1
08-18-24, 14:53
Although a waitress at Masquerade whom I knew from Q bar said she left Q because all dancers and even the waitresses are required to barfine if asked.
This seems very strange. I found it almost impossible not to get laid in AC. At least you figured out a route that seemed to work for your situation. Serious question, how's your dress / hygiene? Like a serious objective assessment.I think what we are seeing since the rebirth, is those of us who experienced the golden-oldie days, and who are now experiencing the change. Chris is a long-time BM with experience in Thailand, Columbia, Brazil, CR, DR, Phils, and so on. Back in the day, we walked into most any bar and found rare few girls who did NOT want to barfine at the suggestion. Two mamas that I dated there circa 2008-2013 filled me in on various policies for their girls, including while a girl might be able to refuse this or that occasional guy for a BF, doing so twice in one month might find her looking for work elsewhere. Girls were skinnier. Atlantis had 100 girls on the stage at a time. Prices were 25-35% of what they are now. Santos / Raymond St bars were, for a 2-4 hour ST, 1/3 the BF price of what the WS bars LT were. The place was a sh*thole, sure. But it was our sh*thole. Drinks-only girls? I never ran into one.
I actually like that the girls get the choice. If she doesn't want to go with you, it's guaranteed the sex is going to be bad, and you just saved yourself some time and money.In the old daze, she needed to do it for another reason. She might have needed X or more barfines a week. If she says no to you, she might have to sit out any money tonight (short of the p150 base pay at the time). I'm sure a few went with me under similar circumstance. However, few starfished or provided poor service.
The Raymond ST bars were similar. Visiting AC during a lull, when the normal barfine was p400 for 4 hours, the mama and girl might agree to p800 for 12 hours. That was half the BF on WS at the time.
There was a better party atmosphere in almost all bars at the time. Cherry girls were marked with a separate ID symbol so you didn't accidentally buy her drinks, only to hear that she doesn't barfine. Wanted to know which girls did *not* barfine tonight? Just ask the waitress or mama and she'd point them out (blood), to avoid the same problem as the cherry girl. Or, tell any girl or waitress exactly what you wanted tonight (anal, camera, stay till 9 am), and she'd look about and say: "There, Gemma, the tall one. And there, Maria, long hair. And that skinny one Samantha. All them need a barfine tonight. Must pay rent" (or similar).
Fat? Smelly? Shy with girls? Obnoxious to girls? Little of this mattered; girls barfined and made the best of a crappy night, hoping he'd be too old / diabetic / hungover in the morning and not f*ck. The vast majority of guys were old, chubby gringos in t-shirts and flip-flops, and you could see it just by walking down WS at night, the large number of them with tonight's honey on his drunken arm. AC was THE place to go to for said fellas, to escape western civ (read: entitled women), ditch the work clothes for 2 weeks, and be a hidden hedonist. For all the calling of AC being a sh*thole, we ourselves (when there) also made up a part of that sh*thole.
It was the easiest kill shot. And we'd complain here every few years when the BF amount went up by a few hundred pesos in this or that bar.
But, those days are gone. For many guys of the old lore, any of these items might be enough for them to skip AC (or Phils) altogether: Lack of similar type of fellas while in-country (or alternately, a large presence of another persuasion); the rise of girls to be avoided (entitlement, drinks-only, 1-pop ST runners, mens); doubled barfine amounts from pre-covid; and specific bars where girls might ignore the fella entirely. Like Chris, I am done with AC. My impression of the place is a bit different than his, but the negatives that I've listed outweigh positives.
Some people don't handle change well, especially large change in a short time. I'm happy to let FG (good reports fella) and the K's have the place. There are other ways to skin the Filipina cat.
But, those days are gone. For many guys of the old lore, any of these items might be enough for them to skip AC (or Phils) altogether: Lack of similar type of fellas while in-country (or alternately, a large presence of another persuasion); the rise of girls to be avoided (entitlement, drinks-only, 1-pop ST runners, mens); doubled barfine amounts from pre-covid; and specific bars where girls might ignore the fella entirely. Like Chris, I am done with AC. My impression of the place is a bit different than his, but the negatives that I've listed outweigh positives.
Some people don't handle change well, especially large change in a short time. I'm happy to let FG (good reports fella) and the K's have the place. There are other ways to skin the Filipina cat.Well said!
Fat? Smelly? Shy with girls? Obnoxious to girls? Little of this mattered; girls barfined and made the best of a crappy night, hoping he'd be too old / diabetic / hungover in the morning and not f*ck. The vast majority of guys were old, chubby gringos in t-shirts and flip-flops, and you could see it just by walking down WS at night, the large number of them with tonight's honey on his drunken arm. AC was THE place to go to for said fellas, to escape western civ (read: entitled women), ditch the work clothes for 2 weeks, and be a hidden hedonist. For all the calling of AC being a sh*thole, we ourselves (when there) also made up a part of that sh*thole.Have you ever seen anyone dressed in a suit and tie in Angeles? Everyone is on vacation. It's hot and humid and all the locals are wearing flip flops and t-shirts. Most of the guys who go to Angeles City cannot get a decent woman regularly in their hometown, that is why they pay the airfare and 2 days travel time to get laid. Like the fish, it has to go up stream to spawn each year. Sometimes its a ritual the way God made us and a blessing to get laid!
Locamotive
08-18-24, 21:34
Have you ever seen anyone dressed in a suit and tie in Angeles? Everyone is on vacation. It's hot and humid and all the locals are wearing flip flops and t-shirts. Most of the guys who go to Angeles City cannot get a decent woman regularly in their hometown, that is why they pay the airfare and 2 days travel time to get laid. Like the fish, it has to go up stream to spawn each year. Sometimes its a ritual the way God made us and a blessing to get laid!Suit?. Well no don't think anyone expects that. Take a shower, clean pressed shorts and a clean shirt with a bit of cologne is not too much to ask. Don't gross her out, you too want a clean woman, reverse applies. True we cannot get a decent woman at home as they would need to be age appropriate, and haha I don't date grannies. This is Disneyland for men and I doubt you'd go there either in dirty clothes and not take a bath.
Have you ever seen anyone dressed in a suit and tie in Angeles? Everyone is on vacation. It's hot and humid and all the locals are wearing flip flops and t-shirts. Most of the guys who go to Angeles City cannot get a decent woman regularly in their hometown, that is why they pay the airfare and 2 days travel time to get laid. Like the fish, it has to go up stream to spawn each year. Sometimes its a ritual the way God made us and a blessing to get laid!These posts are entertaining, some are on point, others are a therapists dream patient.
Seems like some first timers and wannabe first timers are looking for a process document on getting laid and think every female in Angeles is trained to some sort of industry standard.
It also appears the default source of pussy is presumed to be a bar. That ain't how it works. Bars are one source but not the only source. If you have ANY speaking ability and minimal conversation skills you can chat up women all over town and get call backs.
Even the BS sites like Pina Love and Date in Asia will garner you some facebook addresses after the initial meeting. From there, it's up to you to follow up and take note of the new friends network. Create a separate facebook account and an associated Proton Mail Account. I've done that and was bombarded with offers to the extent I blocked most of them. You can meet outside at a neutral location like a cafe for an interview and your expectations.
It can be a scheduling hassle when you book back to back and select the first in line. Then you have to cancel.
If you want to build in some exercise in your pussy hunt, go to the mall and chat up the locals.
That's the way it is today. The days of bars full of young and eager farm girls that scream with excitement when you walk in the door (1970' and 1980's) is over. Now it takes more effort since the age gap widened when the US military left, as well as the supply of young good looking guys that were physically appealing to the average Filipina.
Expat American
08-19-24, 10:57
I think what we are seeing since the rebirth, is those of us who experienced the golden-oldie days, and who are now experiencing the change. Chris is a long-time BM with experience in Thailand, Columbia, Brazil, CR, DR, Phils, and so on. Back in the day, we walked into most any bar and found rare few girls who did NOT want to barfine at the suggestion. Two mamas that I dated there circa 2008-2013 filled me in on various policies for their girls, including while a girl might be able to refuse this or that occasional guy for a BF, doing so twice in one month might find her looking for work elsewhere. Girls were skinnier. Atlantis had 100 girls on the stage at a time. Prices were 25-35% of what they are now. Santos / Raymond St bars were, for a 2-4 hour ST, 1/3 the BF price of what the WS bars LT were. The place was a sh*thole, sure. But it was our sh*thole. Drinks-only girls? I never ran into one.
In the old daze, she needed to do it for another reason. She might have needed X or more barfines a week. If she says no to you, she might have to sit out any money tonight (short of the p150 base pay at the time). I'm sure a few went with me under similar circumstance. However, few starfished or provided poor service.
The Raymond ST bars were similar. Visiting AC during a lull, when the normal barfine was p400 for 4 hours, the mama and girl might agree to p800 for 12 hours. That was half the BF on WS at the time.
There was a better party atmosphere in almost all bars at the time. Cherry girls were marked with a separate ID symbol so you didn't accidentally buy her drinks, only to hear that she doesn't barfine. Wanted to know which girls did *not* barfine tonight? Just ask the waitress or mama and she'd point them out (blood), to avoid the same problem as the cherry girl. Or, tell any girl or waitress exactly what you wanted tonight (anal, camera, stay till 9 am), and she'd look about and say: "There, Gemma, the tall one. And there, Maria, long hair. And that skinny one Samantha. All them need a barfine tonight. Must pay rent" (or similar).
Fat? Smelly? Shy with girls? Obnoxious to girls? Little of this mattered; girls barfined and made the best of a crappy night, hoping he'd be too old / diabetic / hungover in the morning and not f*ck. The vast majority of guys were old, chubby gringos in t-shirts and flip-flops, and you could see it just by walking down WS at night, the large number of them with tonight's honey on his drunken arm. AC was THE place to go to for said fellas, to escape western civ (read: entitled women), ditch the work clothes for 2 weeks, and be a hidden hedonist. For all the calling of AC being a sh*thole, we ourselves (when there) also made up a part of that sh*thole.
It was the easiest kill shot. And we'd complain here every few years when the BF amount went up by a few hundred pesos in this or that bar.
But, those days are gone. For many guys of the old lore, any of these items might be enough for them to skip AC (or Phils) altogether: Lack of similar type of fellas while in-country (or alternately, a large presence of another persuasion); the rise of girls to be avoided (entitlement, drinks-only, 1-pop ST runners, mens); doubled barfine amounts from pre-covid; and specific bars where girls might ignore the fella entirely. Like Chris, I am done with AC. My impression of the place is a bit different than his, but the negatives that I've listed outweigh positives.
Some people don't handle change well, especially large change in a short time. I'm happy to let FG (good reports fella) and the K's have the place. There are other ways to skin the Filipina cat.Well said. I agree with every word. Yes it was always a shit hole but we used that word with affection. Now its just a shit hole and an expensive over rated one at that. No BF girls, condoms being demanded, $100 for ST with a very average girl, no thanks. I have not been since 2021 and have no plans to go again. Fortunately there still are better hunting grounds around. And I have plenty of videos and photos from those good old days to revisit them if I want to.
FuriousGeorge
08-19-24, 21:51
New bikini competition video from this weekend, in 4 k. Looks like the talent is way way up from what it's been in recent months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYWIF0bc9is
Old And Ugly
08-20-24, 04:58
New bikini competition video from this weekend, in 4 k. Looks like the talent is way way up from what it's been in recent months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYWIF0bc9isSo, it appears that they decided to let people film again the "competition". Probably nobody attended anymore the almost boring event. I have taken great shots before the plague in 2019, before the organizers came up with the brilliant idea that no photos are allowed. Many years ago you can take photos inside the bars too when there was some sort of event.
WestCoast1
08-20-24, 08:08
So, it appears that they decided to let people film again the "competition". Probably nobody attended anymore the almost boring event. I have taken great shots before the plague in 2019, before the organizers came up with the brilliant idea that no photos are allowed. Many years ago you can take photos inside the bars too when there was some sort of event.Two mates have sent me their phone-cam vids of the pool parties in the past year or so. Also several other vloggers have posted similar this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZjuEH7r5Dw Chubs Dee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX04HmKI1kU Reality TV UG.
The vids from last year showed a smaller number of girls, maybe 6-8 ladies. Bit bigger now, about 20? Also indicative of post-covid are chubbier ladies. These groups are indicative of today's bargirls. While I find several of the ladies in each vid to be barfine-attractive, I also think 1/3 of them are not (and I am not picky). Nothing against SB parties or the fellas who enjoy them, and certainly its something to do while in town (as there is little else), these vids IMHO are something newbs should take a look at when considering visiting AC in the future.
FuriousGeorge
08-20-24, 08:21
So number 14 is my favorite, and I'd say when I'm in AC, most of the girls I'm with nightly are plus or minus one level from her, and that type. But, the cool thing about being there for a month plus is that you can enjoy some other other thicker fun girls too. Buy them a lady drink and interview them and if the vibe is right, go to town.
So, it appears that they decided to let people film again the "competition". Probably nobody attended anymore the almost boring event. I have taken great shots before the plague in 2019, before the organizers came up with the brilliant idea that no photos are allowed. Many years ago you can take photos inside the bars too when there was some sort of event.
Old And Ugly
08-20-24, 11:23
Two mates have sent me their phone-cam vids of the pool parties in the past year or so. Also several other vloggers have posted similar this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZjuEH7r5Dw Chubs Dee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX04HmKI1kU Reality TV UG.
The vids from last year showed a smaller number of girls, maybe 6-8 ladies. Bit bigger now, about 20? Also indicative of post-covid are chubbier ladies. These groups are indicative of today's bargirls. While I find several of the ladies in each vid to be barfine-attractive, I also think 1/3 of them are not (and I am not picky). Nothing against SB parties or the fellas who enjoy them, and certainly its something to do while in town (as there is little else), these vids IMHO are something newbs should take a look at when considering visiting AC in the future.My most recent participations to the competition viewing were last year, and in the beginning of this year, I had great seats, but the last time I left before it ended, I figured it out that I can spend my time in more entertaining ways than watching a pointless competition. If photos were allowed then maybe there is an incentive to stay, but that wasn't the case, I didn't care about the buffet, thus the girls that accompanied me seemed to enjoy it a lot.
MonkeyBlaster
08-21-24, 02:46
Vietnam and Cambodia seem enticing. Pattaya of course too. Many places PH going to Korean or Japanese. Puerta Galera, Cebu but you can still find some good places PBurgos.
Angeles City is an Overpriced SHIT HOLE with Sub five girls who are Bigoted Prejudice and Raciest and do NOT like to go with Non-Koreans.
Spent two months in Angeles City just returned on Monday.
OVERPRICED: All bar fines are between 4000 k to 5000 k with 5000 k being the most common bar fine price, some girls in the bars being 6000 k, Perimeter Road bars were all 3500 k.
QUALITY OF WOMAN: LOW LOW LOW. Most women in the bars were 4's and 5's rather they were Korean or non-Korean owned bars a few 6's an occasional 7 seen some rare 8's and 9's around but mostly not in the bars just on the streets with Korean customers. Permeator Road bars 99% were sub five. Found the BJ bars, around the corner from Garfield's and the one on Raymond Street to have Only sub five women that would have to pay me to have sex with them.
BIGOTED PREJUDICE AND RACIEST: Overwhelmingly the girls WANT Korean customers first don't have to be young and hansom can be old fat and a slob but as long as you are Korean you will be their number one choice. Number two will be a non-Korean who is exceptionally hansom. If you do NOT fall into either of these two categories, you will find it VERY DIFFICULT to get a girl from the bars.
FREELANCERS: Almost Non-Existent a few in front of Phillies but 99% will be lady boys. Did not notice Any during the two months I was there at the other end around McDonalds. Most freelancers were wanting 2000 k. Did not walk on the back streets seemed to dark and dangerous. Was going to go one night but had a retarded poorly dressed teenage boy walking to close behind me. Crossed to the other side of the street pretended to be looking at one of the stores and letting him walk past me. But he just lingered on the other side of the street like he was waiting for me so just turned around and walked back to walking street. Did pass by those streets a couple of times around fivish and sevenish when it was still light but didn't see much there one or two sub five girls.
TOOK ME FOUR DAYS TO GET LAID: Have been visiting AC yearly since 2012 but have not been there since 2019. Arrived June 12th. Seen little to NO freelancers the occasional ones I seen were sub five and I was not interested in them. Visited the BJ bars around the corner from Garfield's and the one that's left on Raymond Street and found nothing but sub five women that would have to pay me to have sex with them. Visited the Perimeter Road Bars but found them to be stocked with sub five girls who would have to pay me to have sex with them. Under the mistaken belief that as a 60 something Caucasian male I would not have any luck in a Korean owned bar I only visited the non-Korean owned Wolf Hound Group. Dog House group and the new Mieko Group bars. During the first four days. Had a 0. 0% success rate. Was invisible ignored and felt Not Wanted. Luckly, I found the majority of women in those bars to be in the 4 and 5 range in looks so really didn't care if they didn't want to go with me. Later in my trip out of curiosity I went back into many of those bars and bought a drink for the girls I thought were the best looking to see if they would actually bar fine. Went into Lucifers no one paid any attention to me but out of curiosity wanted to see if I could actually get a girl. So had the waitress ask the first girl if I could buy her a drink. We talked, I brought up bar fining and she said she would think about it, and I thought to myself I'll think about coming back into your bar and spending my money again. Had the waitress ask a second one to come over but she said she had menstruation. What that means is you're not Korean and you're not hansom enough. Went into Doll House and talked with an unusually attractive girl who was young Brook Shields looking solid 8. I brought up bar fining and she just crinkled her nose and said in a negative voice "I don't know" I just crinkled my nose and said I don't know if I'm going to spend any more money in your bar. A month and a half later I was actually able to get this girl every day for the last two week of my trip. Towards the end of my trip At the pool party met a Doll House bar girl that I bar fined several nights in a row back in 2014 who is now overweight has lost her looks and working as a waitress at Doll House, actually met four waitresses who I knew as bar girls some 10 something years ago who are now overweight and have lost their looks and working as waitresses. She advocated for me, and I was able to get the stuck-up Brook Shields looking 8 to go with me for the last two weeks of my trip. Tried talking to another attractive girl at Doll House during the first four days who turned out to be the older cousin of the Attractive Young Brook Shields Looking Girl. At first, she said she had to leave early and couldn't, but at the end of my trip the waitress advocated for me, and she agreed to bar fine with me both girls told me they ONLY go with Korean customers, but the waitress told them I was a really nice guy. The waitress was able to get a third girl from there to bar fine with me as well. Without the waitress advocating for me I would have had a 0. 0% success rate there. Went into Miekos Dragon bar during the first four days and bought a drink for a Hot solid 8 looking girl, she sat next to me like she was sitting next to Frankenstein's Monster and when I brought up bar fining it was a definite and strong NO got up walked over to the counter paid the tab and left, never set foot in Miekos bar again and never spent another peso in Miekos bar again.
After my fourth day and having not been laid yet, figured what the hell, and walked into a Korean owned bar, Cosplay, within two minutes of sitting down had a manager / supervisor / whatever come up to me and ask me what girl I wanted, telling me which ones were new which ones had no babies so I picked what I thought was the Hottest girl there she came down for a drink. After the four days of solid being ignored and rejected in the non-Korean bars I 100% expected this girl to tell me no. To my utter disbelief and surprise, she was completely agreeable, and bar fined with me, in disbelief I paid the bar fine and walked out with her still not believing this is actually happening. Went back to Cosplay every day sometimes twice a day for a week straight and bar fined which ever girl I wanted only one time did a girl tell me she only goes with Koreans. I eventually found my way into Sky Fall where the same scenario happed manager / supervisor / whatever come up to me and ask me what girl I wanted, telling me which ones were new which ones had no babies. Had 80% success in getting whatever girl I wanted from there with only 20% of the ones I wanted being Korean only girls. Had some pretty good luck in SS bar on Fields as well. Found Viking despite being a Korean owned bar to be more western in that no one comes up to you and the girls don't notice you or show you any attention. Found High Quality to be very unfriendly to non-Koreans and got the since they really didn't want us in there. But apart from that I found many of the Korean owned bars to be the BEST bars for getting girls. The non-Korean bars to be really a waste of time and money and not worth visiting unless you just want to relax and watch girl who won't go with you..
NapaSlapper
08-21-24, 10:38
I think that the reality of angeles city in the last few years has been summed up nicely and honestly by member chris long, member westie, myself and almost everyone else that has posted recent trip reports.
I find it very hard to find any reason to visit angeles city as a westerner if one is even slightly fussy in ones bed partners.
Sure if one has spent years in a pussy prison western country where a jump with a fat, old, ugly whale is impossible and one is willing to accept the left over angeles city scraps then I'm sure an ok time might be able to be had in angeles.
Reports of if one has game then girls are available to mr westerner are just not true, game has nothing to do with available girls for mr westerner, being asian and especially korean has everything to do with availability of the few better looking girls, why well as others have said, such girls are racists, full stop, no amount of game or charm or pressed clean clothes and smelling good will get such girls unfortunately for mr westerner.
As far as are the few better looking, slimmer girls drinks only girls, then yes 100%, are the few ok looking girls that will actually barfine racist towards westerners then that also has to be a 100% yes.
Agreed! Not going near. Where to though? Thailand? Cambodia? Vietnam?
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I think that the reality of angeles city in the last few years has been summed up nicely....For those seeking the good 'ol AC, the solution is simple: go wherever has the same conditions that existed in AC 20 or 30 years ago.
Easy, direct and cheap flights? 99% Korean tourists? Girls that have been fucking and ripping off tourists for decades? PASS!!
Somewhere a little out of the way and takes a bit of effort to get there? A few foreign residents and basically no tourists? Girls fresh of the farm hoping to find a new BF? Meeting a provincial princess at the local market while buying a pound of carrots? Yes please, pick me!!
I can understand guys wanting point and shoot for a long weekend break but there are many different options beyond overpriced barfines and bored girls strutting around a chrome pole.
Enjoy. G.
NapaSlapper
08-22-24, 02:27
For those seeking the good 'ol AC, the solution is simple: go wherever has the same conditions that existed in AC 20 or 30 years ago.
Easy, direct and cheap flights? 99% Korean tourists? Girls that have been fucking and ripping off tourists for decades? PASS!!
Somewhere a little out of the way and takes a bit of effort to get there? A few foreign residents and basically no tourists? Girls fresh of the farm hoping to find a new BF? Meeting a provincial princess at the local market while buying a pound of carrots? Yes please, pick me!!
I can understand guys wanting point and shoot for a long weekend break but there are many different options beyond overpriced barfines and bored girls strutting around a chrome pole.
Enjoy. G.While its true to say that there is far better quality pinays in many far flung places of the phills than what's offered in angeles city this takes time, patience and commitment to meet and date the province girls, many moons ago province girls were desperate to meet and marry a foreigner, definately not so easy any more, why, well the internet, even in far flung destinations those province honeys have access to the internet, any young, good looking, slim province girl can put her profile online and be swamped by desperate, lonely, simpletons from the west sending large sums of money to said honeys all without even meeting such.
Few months back had a short visit to a very small town on samar island for a wedding, now as we all know samar island was the biggest provider of manila and angeles bar girls many moons ago, many girls were very pretty indeed, this was my second visit, last one some 25 years ago, back then yes many samar girls gave smiles, were very friendly, were up for marrying a westerner, unfortunately those smiles and yearning to marry westerners is mainly gone, young girls of today want to get educated, want to get a good job, want to work abroad, many have relatives who already work abroad who are willing to sponsor the younger generations education and help to create much better lives for such.
On to the wedding, so many great looking, slim girls were there, unfortunately thise same girls were either dating, engaged or married to a young good looking pinoy, I was the only foreigner there, not one single girl was giving me the come on, far from it.
The internet has unfortunately spoiled the province girls that many moons ago would go to angeles as bar girls, they can earn easier and more money by selling fake dreams to the desperate and lonely online.
Can one find a good wife in the phills province or small towns absolutely yes, but one has to spend months there, be willing to take things very slow, go on many dates (normally with her family members in tow to make sure of no hanky panky) show some real commitment to a serious relationship leading to marriage.
The internet has unfortunately spoiled the province girls.
I'd certainly agree that the internet is a double edged sword: it allows me to meet many more girls just as it allows those same girls to meet many other guys. Of course, "meet" is relative: many of my competition have not, and never will, enter the PI. Most girls are perfectly happy to meet someone who is boots on the ground while their "boyfriend" is several continents away. Similarly, I'm happy to be side dick for a couple of nights.
A girl having a pinoy boyfriend changes things a little but a boyfriend in another province or ofw while she is banging all comers is hardly anything new.
I'd also agree that hunting in the province isn't a point and shoot exercise for 3 day warriors. However, for those with a few more days available, the rewards are worth it. This is especially the case wrt to my original post where I was comparing options vs going to AC and continually complaining about it. I don't present the province's as a perfect alternative but for many it's much better than getting knock backs from 5's strutting around a pole in AC.
To each their own.
G.
Expat American
08-22-24, 08:06
For those seeking the good 'ol AC, the solution is simple: go wherever has the same conditions that existed in AC 20 or 30 years ago.
Easy, direct and cheap flights? 99% Korean tourists? Girls that have been fucking and ripping off tourists for decades? PASS!!
Somewhere a little out of the way and takes a bit of effort to get there? A few foreign residents and basically no tourists? Girls fresh of the farm hoping to find a new BF? Meeting a provincial princess at the local market while buying a pound of carrots? Yes please, pick me!!
I can understand guys wanting point and shoot for a long weekend break but there are many different options beyond overpriced barfines and bored girls strutting around a chrome pole.
Enjoy. G.I'm sure dating illiterate farm girls may be interesting for some people but its in no way a comparison to AC 20 years ago. There are no provincial town that I know of that has dozens of bars with naked dancing girls giving you a 30 min lap dance for 150 Peso and then fucking your brains out all night for 1000 Peso until you have to kick them out in the morning. Somethings are just gone. A scene similar to old AC but not exactly the same can be found in other countries but not in the Philippines.
Old And Ugly
08-22-24, 11:28
While its true to say that there is far better quality pinays in many far flung places of the phills than what's offered in angeles city this takes time, patience and commitment to meet and date the province girls, many moons ago province girls were desperate to meet and marry a foreigner, definately not so easy any more, why, well the internet, even in far flung destinations those province honeys have access to the internet, any young, good looking, slim province girl can put her profile online and be swamped by desperate, lonely, simpletons from the west sending large sums of money to said honeys all without even meeting such.
Few months back had a short visit to a very small town on samar island for a wedding, now as we all know samar island was the biggest provider of manila and angeles bar girls many moons ago, many girls were very pretty indeed, this was my second visit, last one some 25 years ago, back then yes many samar girls gave smiles, were very friendly, were up for marrying a westerner, unfortunately those smiles and yearning to marry westerners is mainly gone, young girls of today want to get educated, want to get a good job, want to work abroad, many have relatives who already work abroad who are willing to sponsor the younger generations education and help to create much better lives for such.
On to the wedding, so many great looking, slim girls were there, unfortunately thise same girls were either dating, engaged or married to a young good looking pinoy, I was the only foreigner there, not one single girl was giving me the come on, far from it.
The internet has unfortunately spoiled the province girls that many moons ago would go to angeles as bar girls, they can earn easier and more money by selling fake dreams to the desperate and lonely online.
Can one find a good wife in the phills province or small towns absolutely yes, but one has to spend months there, be willing to take things very slow, go on many dates (normally with her family members in tow to make sure of no hanky panky) show some real commitment to a serious relationship leading to marriage.I did just that for about a year, traveled around, stayed in small far places, trying to blend in, buying drinks for the locals, going to eat at the same spot every day, etc. And guess what happened most of the time? I ended up coming back to angeles for a weeklong pussy therapy or I got help from some local dude that knew a few girls providing services for the community. And trust me our idea of sexy differs a lot from that of a filipino in all aspects: body, face, vestimentation, and service. Despite the fact that the ratio of female / male is in our favor in the PH, there are no single girls waiting for us anywhere, somehow they are all married, or have boyfriends. Also if there are any available ones, they will be reluctant talking to strangers beyond the initial exchange of polite greetings. If you pass that step, then there is the next one, the one you mentioned above: meeting the family, and for me that one is a no no. Of course there are a few exceptions, but it will always be a girl that had prior exposure to the outsiders, like she worked somewhere, or went to school, etc. On top of all that you have to be careful not to piss off anybody, by stealing their girlfriend, wife, or ex. I had limited success in this long journey around the islands, but parallel with the pussy hunting I did touristy and relocation exploration also, and that was part of the plan.
Most of the successful encounters that I had were initiated by the fact that the girl was sitting next to me in the airplane, bus, boat, and was somehow forced to talk to me.
In the rare instances when I got a local girl in some village I had to put a lot of effort and time into it.
As a side note I have to mention that the takeover by the koreans and the chinese is complete, you will find them, their scouts, korean owned shops, or mentions about recent visits even in the most remote islands, where it took me a lot of research just to find out how to get there. In many places where there was only a small hotel or boarding house in the whole village, the only place to stay there was always a lonely korean staying there and doing nothing but smoking and playing with the phone all day long, waiting for I don't know what. Most didn't speak any english or if they did they were kind of secretive about their scope and length of visit.
Angeles City is an Overpriced SHIT HOLE with Sub five girls who are Bigoted Prejudice and Raciest and do NOT like to go with Non-Koreans.
Overwhelmingly the girls WANT Korean customers first don't have to be young and hansom can be old fat and a slob but as long as you are Korean you will be their number one choice. Number two will be a non-Korean who is exceptionally handsom. If you do NOT fall into either of these two categories, you will find it VERY DIFFICULT to get a girl from the bars...
TOOK ME FOUR DAYS TO GET LAID: a 60 something Caucasian male... During the first four days. Had a 0. 0% success rate. .. no one paid any attention to me but out of curiosity wanted to see if I could actually get a girl. ... I brought up bar fining and she just crinkled her nose and said in a negative voice "I don't know"...actually met four waitresses who I knew as bar girls some 10 something years ago who are now overweight and have lost their looks and working as waitresses. ... she sat next to me like she was sitting next to Frankenstein's Monster and when I brought up bar fining it was a definite and strong NO ...
After my fourth day and having not been laid yet...In all honesty, look at yourself, you say you are in your 60's. Are you overweight? Face wrinkled? Can't dance? Maybe you are past your prime. I hope I am not too offensive, but I am also in that category! LOL. I lost 50 pounds in the past year and people started to notice. I walk into stores and am ignored, yet my net worth has gone up 10 X what it was when I was in my 40's. Just like we look for the young beautiful girls, they are naturally looking for a young handsome stud like Brad Pitt was 20 years ago, and our time has passed.
FuriousGeorge
08-23-24, 03:31
Clearly there are plenty of jaded fellas here pining away for the old days, and who will not return to AC. That's fine, more girls for the rest of us. I was in AC earlier this year and I experienced none of these terrible experiences. Is there a magical place on this planet where hot girls that speak English and don't care what you look like will dance and fondle you and then bare sex you up all night and morning for mere pennies? If so, I'm all ears. The internet has obviously changed things, and I believe you guys when you say the old days were better. But then again, HiSo was a way better place to get laid, but at Mega the vibe is better. Things evolve. I watch enough youtube videos of walking street to know that there are still plenty of gringos getting hot girls on the daily. I also dispute the fact that your personal presentation makes no difference. It makes a huge difference. They aren't sex robots. Although when we finally get Westworld style sex robots, the human race is over. I'll be back in a few months and will give a detailed objective report.
Expat American
08-23-24, 06:49
Clearly there are plenty of jaded fellas here pining away for the old days, and who will not return to AC. That's fine, more girls for the rest of us. I was in AC earlier this year and I experienced none of these terrible experiences. Is there a magical place on this planet where hot girls that speak English and don't care what you look like will dance and fondle you and then bare sex you up all night and morning for mere pennies? If so, I'm all ears. The internet has obviously changed things, and I believe you guys when you say the old days were better. But then again, HiSo was a way better place to get laid, but at Mega the vibe is better. Things evolve. I watch enough youtube videos of walking street to know that there are still plenty of gringos getting hot girls on the daily. I also dispute the fact that your personal presentation makes no difference. It makes a huge difference. They aren't sex robots. Although when we finally get Westworld style sex robots, the human race is over. I'll be back in a few months and will give a detailed objective report.Some would argue that AC today is not the place you describe either. Lets break it down.
1. Speak English: Okay that is a plus for the Phils over other Asian cities. But what kind of deep conversation do you want with a daughter of a Samar fisherman anyway?
2. Dance and fondle? Thats a rarity now. Maybe a couple of bars like Lollipop you can get that occasionally. Its not a standard offering at majority of the bars. At bars with the hotter girls they will sit next to you like prima donna princesses chugging down expensive sugar water.
3. Bare sex all night? Most girls want short time, many don't barfine at all (or not with all customers) and more and more reports of girls asking for condoms.
4 For pennies? I don't know where you come from but $100 for ST is not pennies, especially after you add up cost of travel.
Eagerly awaiting your next report proving everything I say is no longer true. In that case Ill book a ticket to CRK myself!
NapaSlapper
08-23-24, 09:20
Clearly there are plenty of jaded fellas here pining away for the old days, and who will not return to AC. That's fine, more girls for the rest of us. I was in AC earlier this year and I experienced none of these terrible experiences. Is there a magical place on this planet where hot girls that speak English and don't care what you look like will dance and fondle you and then bare sex you up all night and morning for mere pennies? If so, I'm all ears. The internet has obviously changed things, and I believe you guys when you say the old days were better. But then again, HiSo was a way better place to get laid, but at Mega the vibe is better. Things evolve. I watch enough youtube videos of walking street to know that there are still plenty of gringos getting hot girls on the daily. I also dispute the fact that your personal presentation makes no difference. It makes a huge difference. They aren't sex robots. Although when we finally get Westworld style sex robots, the human race is over. I'll be back in a few months and will give a detailed objective report.I think in reality those that are just a little bit more fussy in their angeles bed partners are the ones that are experiencing major problems in attracting said girls, as has been reported by multiple recent trip reports.
If ones only requirements are that a bargirl has a pulse to be fuckable then these punters will experience little problems in finding suitable bed partners, it is what it is comes to mind.
TwentyTwoTwos
08-23-24, 14:07
I'll be visiting AC next week I was planning on staying there from Mon. Night to Thursday morning to monger. Would that be too long? I'm reading so much pessimism.
WestCoast1
08-23-24, 15:46
I'll be visiting AC next week I was planning on staying there from Mon. Night to Thursday morning to monger. Would that be too long? I'm reading so much pessimism.TTT: We've been having this discussion for a year now. You are only there for 3 nights, which can't be too long. Go have some fun and report back.
WestCoast1
08-23-24, 16:17
Clearly there are plenty of jaded fellas here pining away for the old days, and who will not return to AC. That's fine, more girls for the rest of us. I was in AC earlier this year and I experienced none of these terrible experiences. Is there a magical place on this planet where hot girls that speak English and don't care what you look like will dance and fondle you and then bare sex you up all night and morning for mere pennies? If so, I'm all ears. The internet has obviously changed things, and I believe you guys when you say the old days were better. But then again, HiSo was a way better place to get laid, but at Mega the vibe is better. Things evolve. I watch enough youtube videos of walking street to know that there are still plenty of gringos getting hot girls on the daily. I also dispute the fact that your personal presentation makes no difference. It makes a huge difference. They aren't sex robots. Although when we finally get Westworld style sex robots, the human race is over. I'll be back in a few months and will give a detailed objective report.My previous AC rant was a statement of how it was vs how it is (not a complaint). Button-down shirts open to the naval and wife-beater tshirts littered the landscape (Kokomo's afternoons), gogo girls didn't turn down barfines very often, you got LT unless you booted the girl early, and girls were thinner and better looking. There were no gimmicks in the bar to keep you buying a girl LD's all night thinking that she would barfine with you, only to find out that she won't / can't barfine.
Obviously its changed since then, as described by the gents. For many gents who experienced it before, they are not going to be interested in today's AC. For other gents (Lance, FG), the current AC still represents good opportunities.
TwentyTwoTwos, you have to decide based on what you see here and on other outlets (addicts, YT vlogs). Please be advised that the barfine you pay in the AC gogo bar (up front before taking the girl out) is all-inclusive, no tip is needed upon her departure unless you are so inclined to give one (unlike the Makati / Burgos gogo bars).
FuriousGeorge
08-23-24, 18:45
That was my point. I wasn't saying that AC was this magical place that I described, I was asking if there is such a magical place, and if so, count me in.
4 For pennies? I don't know where you come from but $100 for ST is not pennies, especially after you add up cost of travel.
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That was my point. I wasn't saying that AC was this magical place that I described, I was asking if there is such a magical place, and if so, count me in.I think we have to accept that referrals and opinions are pretty pointless. It doesn't matter if we are talking AC bars, provincial towns or anything in between: some guys go, find what they want and have a fun time; others find it pointless and a waste of time and money.
The solution always has been to go and see if it meets ome's requirements and be prepared to stay if it does or move on if it doesn't.
I've lost count of the number of times I've given or received recommendations of great options only for the recipient to be less than impressed.
Enjoy. G.
Clearly there are plenty of jaded fellas here pining away for the old days, and who will not return to AC. That's fine, more girls for the rest of us. I was in AC earlier this year and I experienced none of these terrible experiences. Is there a magical place on this planet where hot girls that speak English and don't care what you look like will dance and fondle you and then bare sex you up all night and morning for mere pennies? If so, I'm all ears. The internet has obviously changed things, and I believe you guys when you say the old days were better. But then again, HiSo was a way better place to get laid, but at Mega the vibe is better. Things evolve. I watch enough youtube videos of walking street to know that there are still plenty of gringos getting hot girls on the daily. I also dispute the fact that your personal presentation makes no difference. It makes a huge difference. They aren't sex robots. Although when we finally get Westworld style sex robots, the human race is over. I'll be back in a few months and will give a detailed objective report.I agree. I live here in the Philippines in Subic. I was living in AC for 7 years up to the pandemic. I never had problems with the hot girls going with me. I never understood when guys keep saying that. I was there a few weeks ago barhopping with a girl I brought from Subic and me and her and a GREAT time there!! So many hot girls at Lollipop and Shooterz bars.
NapaSlapper
08-24-24, 03:24
Have to fully agree with those that say angeles today is a shadow of its former past, so what was angeles like back in the day and why are so many guys not interested in making further angeles visits.
Back in the day Every single bar in Angeles was full of very attractive brown skin doe eyed girls brought in direct from places like Samar, most girls aged between 18 and 20 years, beautiful toned bodies, great happy attitude, no tattoos, no sign of baby damage and no mobile phone in hand, what's more, multiple of the girls were butt naked on stage.
Buy a lady drink (lady drinks were priced just 20 peso more than the punters drink giving the girls just 20 peso commission so that all bargirls wanted to barfine) and that girl will be down giving a sample blowjob immediately right there in the bar, all girls knew that barfine meant standard long time, as many pops as the customer could muster, never had a dud girl in performance or attitude, no runners, no complaints, hell most days it would be a massive struggle to get the bargirls to leave ones room in the afternoon after fucking all night.
I won't go into the times that a handful of us closed down bars for several hours and were alone with 40 or 50 naked girls because unless one was there most would not believe.
In truth there is not one single girl that struts her stuff on the stages of angles bars that would even have even been considered for employment back in the day so high were the girls looks, body and attitude back then.
The real kicker for todays angeles is the asians and the girls love of them, the easy money girls can earn from lady drinks, making it rain, tips, much higher salaries enabling many girls to be drinks only, the pay all money up front with no chance of a refund when things go bad back at the room enabling the few girls that will barfine to promise the world only to do the minimal and bolt after the first short round (years back bars would give full refunds in the unlikely chance a customer was not happy).
Angeles will never be the place it once was, not even close, in contrast many (all) other destinations the world over where one pays the girl after the deed and only when one is happy, hence why one of the reasons angeles city is so dead compared to nearby asian mongering destinations that are jumping is the angeles pay all money before system.
By all means for those that have never visited angeles then give it a go, keep expectations low and have an early exit plan should one need it.
LoveItHere69
08-24-24, 19:23
Well, I was waiting for someone there to correct me but obviously he is not really there.
So they punched holes that were mostly filled back in by the small pieces falling back into the holes made. They put down a layer of dirt to raise the height and poured concrete on top after the rain had compacted the dirt for a day or two since it rains a little nearly every day now. Seems as is the road and sidewalk are all one piece now with no height difference. As of 6 days ago they had poured concrete one-third width-wise and length-wise from MacArthur to Bacarra Bar so should now be up to Kokomos.
Hated walking past Phillies. The lady boy to street girl ratio is nearly 3.5 to 1.
ThreeInches
08-24-24, 20:14
Hated walking past Phillies. The lady boy to street girl ratio is nearly 3.5 to 1.I spent an evening at RnB used to be one of my favorite places now turned into horror (comedy) show. A real big epiphany is that out of the patrons that were seated at the venue their were quite a few groups with bakla barfines / pickups they were adorned with flowers and gifts from said Korean patrons. It kind of makes sense why the baklas congregate where the Korean shuttles let out in front of walking street. I for one feel the same way about baklas that I do fucking a car tail pipe. Looks are important but their voices / swardspeak is the stuff of nightmares.
I was with some girls that I was sexcited to get it in with at RnB so when they would grab my junk as they were going in on the soju that got more and more interactive but I was not be able to stand up to goto the bathroom, one look at the bakla entertainers and my little soldier would calm back down so I could use the bathroom so they have some use after all.
Hi guys,
Just a bit of a report after a long hike to Angeles from Sabang and dealing with holiday weekend traffic into Manila.
Firstly, I'd have to agree with most of Napa's previous report about Angeles not being what it used to be regarding the go-go scene. I rarely come here and only for work related business. If your mind is on the contents of your wallet, you may as well stay at home these days.
(Having said that, in Australia you used to be able to get good service from a hot local chick who knew how to fuck, yet now they've all been replaced by Taiwanese or Chinese girls who get their phones out to translate any communication. So I suppose the best days are long past in most countries).
Anyway, back in Angeles _ Well, after a fair bit of travelling and the late arrival, I thought I'd just go over the road to Roelgeorge Bar and have a few beers. Just along from the bar were about six hot looking young freelancers who were offering ST action and I'm 99 percent sure there wasn't a set of balls amongst them. I didn't get a price as I basically only wanted a blow job and a few beers.
And that's exactly what happened. An amazing 30 minute BBBJ session, two beers and a lady beer for 1350 p all up which I think was pretty good value.
The girl did add that if I wanted do an overnighter with her, it would only set me back 2000 p. I declined as I was just too tired, but good to know.
P.S. _ I'll search through my previous posts again, but I'm sure some helpful guys suggested some other blow bars on Blow Row quite a while back. I'll try and track down the posts and try them out for you all with an update.
Hope any of the above helps _ Phil.
FuriousGeorge
08-25-24, 19:21
That's cool, I'm definitely going to give that a shot. Did the BJ happen inside the bar? I've seen inside the place and didn't see any back room or someplace where that could go down.
And that's exactly what happened. An amazing 30 minute BBBJ session, two beers and a lady beer for 1350 p all up which I think was pretty good value.
That's cool, I'm definitely going to give that a shot. Did the BJ happen inside the bar? I've seen inside the place and didn't see any back room or someplace where that could go down.Hi George, yes they've got a room out the back past the bar area and to the left.
Not exactly 5 star accommodation, but hey, who cares.
I'm going back there today to catch up with one of the other girls.
_ Phil.
Yesterday I thought I'd continue trialing various BJ Bars and as suggested by DCups in one of my original Angeles posts, there was supposed to be a little hole in the wall near Tequila Reef.
Just off A Santos in Vian Street there's the tiny Party On Bar which can accommodate a 'girl' the client and Mama sitting on a box patting her pet pussy.
Not being rude, I paid for a beer but it was soon apparent that there might have been the slightest chance that 'Ashley' may have had a cock.
So off I went and decided to head back to Roelgeorges Bar to check out if there was any daytime talent. There were a number of expats sitting out the front having a chat and a beer and I was the only guy inside. There were four old girls inside including the old Mama who's a bit of an institution there.
I bought them a few drinks and as per usual the requests came for more drinks, paying for short time with the four of them and even feeding them for the night. I don't think the old mama was impressed when she worked out I wasn't too keen having her old lips going down on me and the oldest of the lot didn't appear to have any teeth.
Anyway, I took one of the others out the back for a 1000 p session and it's the first time in my life that I've actually 'Come on Eileen'.
After I left and just down the street heading towards 7/11, were a group of young freelancers, of which two were pretty damn cute. I think someone has mentioned on the forum before that the end of Johnny Street is a well known spot for FL's. If they're there again tonight I might investigate further.
_ Phil.
Yesterday... check out if there was any daytime talent. .... heading towards 7/11, were a group of young freelancers...f Johnny Street is a well known spot for FL's. If they're there again tonight I might investigate further.
_ Phil.I find your English very hard to follow. Maybe I should have listened harder in English school. Can you specify what time of the day you were there as female freelancers are mostly creatures of the night?
I find your English very hard to follow...https://itranslate.com/translate/english-australia-to-english-united-kingdom
😁.
Angeles will never be the place it once was, not even close, in contrast many (all) other destinations the world over where one pays the girl after the deed and only when one is happy, hence why one of the reasons angeles city is so dead compared to nearby asian mongering destinations that are jumping is the angeles pay all money before system..I fully agree to your comment. Only in AC you pay upfront. It was ok in the old days when the mamsan-pimps would allow a change of girl in case she is performing mediocre in the room or if she was a runner.
Nowadays no chance: once paid then your money is gone. High risk for taking an overweight slob from a bar. Taking a FL you still can adjust your reward to her.
Yesterday I thought I'd continue trialing various BJ Bars and as suggested by DCups in one of my original Angeles posts, there was supposed to be a little hole in the wall near Tequila Reef.
Just off A Santos in Vian Street there's the tiny Party On Bar which can accommodate a 'girl' the client and Mama sitting on a box patting her pet pussy.
.Yuh, that's one of them. There's another one behind Orchid Inn and next to a little church (I think it was Westie that gave a better location description with pics of the outside. Search Westie.
WestCoast1
08-29-24, 07:22
Yuh, that's one of them. There's another one behind Orchid Inn and next to a little church (I think it was Westie that gave a better location description with pics of the outside. Search Westie.See pic, the red X's are where the ST places were. At least one place. I think the Orchid Inn pool on this map is mis-located, and should be about a block north (see green arrow).
Chris Long
08-30-24, 05:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siBLVj0rFNk
This was 110% My Experience in Angeles City. Surprisingly the non-Korean owned bars are the Worst bars to get girls. I went into the Wolf Hound /(pact) bars, the Dog /(doll) House bars, and the new Stinko /(mieko) group bars and had a 0. 0% success rate. I was invisible ignored and All the girls there wanted Korean guys only. The Korean owned bars come in three types. The best type are the ones where you walk in and within a minute a manager / supervisor / momason will come up to you point out girls tell you about the girls and help you get a girl and 80 to 90% of the girls will go with you. The Best bars for doing this are Cosplay, Skyfall, Bar Nana, SS Bar. The second type of Korean owned bars are ones that are very western where you walk in no one notices you the girls don't say anything to you and you are invisible. Viking would be this type of bar. The third type the Worst type of Korean owned bar are the ones where they DO NOT WANT a non-Korean to enter the bar. The worst bars for this are High Quality and Bad Boy daytime. I definitely was NOT wanted in those bars when I tried asking the waitress about a girl she acted as if I was a major inconvenience to her and just responded in a nasty voice and attitude "I don't know sir".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siBLVj0rFNk
This was 110% My Experience in Angeles City. Surprisingly the non-Korean owned bars are the Worst bars to get girls.Are you Black? That guy on the video is Black. I'm afraid many girls do not want to go with Black guys. Many girls are ignorant and racist.
I just watched a few minutes of the video. Didn't make sense. He said the waitresses ignored him for the drinks. The waitresses are paid below minimum wage. They rely on tips to make a decent living. Maybe the girls knew him, and he didn't tip. Or the next waitress in line wanted the next group in the hopes of a good tip. Black guys have a reputation of either being cheap with tips, or very flashy with huge tips.
Stopped by Madonna (the new club across Amsterdam Hotel) at 6:45 pm for 1 beer. Somewhat packed. Decent amount of girls. Seems they're trying to have shows like XS.
Must be Korean owned, since the girls have dresses on, and they wear color coded tags to indicate LT, ST, and menstruation. It seems the Korean owned bars push the boundaries on the prices.
Man! The barfines are ridiculous. The girls in black dresses are 5 K, and the girls in white are 7 K. I was told there's a group (which I didn't see because I left quickly after the beer) who are 9 K. And the beer was 180 pesos, which so far is the highest I've seen. Ouch!
At that particular time, the girls were decent, nothing special (On my "tough" scale). I didn't see the 9 K girls. Not sure if I want to pay those prices.
If you don't like the way Korean owned bars are run, stop going to the Korean owned bars. I keep reading posts about Western guys going to Korean owned bars and complaining about it. Well, the easy solution is to stop going to the Korean owned bars and go to the Western owned bars.
Now some may say the Korean owned bars cater to the Koreans as if that is shocking. Korean owned bars market in South Korea to Korean men and most of the customers are Korean. As such, they want to make the bars attractive to Korean men and run it the way Korea men would like. Now if you read the posts, guys are complaining about the barfines in the Korean bars. If you think the barfines are too high, perhaps you should not go there.
Now, why aren't there more Western owned bars? Because they are struggling financially to make a profit and there are not enough Western customers. South Korean is a short flight from Angeles City so more customers from South Korean can visit more frequently for short trips and when you are on a short trip, you can afford to spend more to enjoy your visit. Koreans generally are good business people and they figured out how to make a profit running bars in Angeles City and if that means catering to their primary customers, that is way they are going to do it. And now there is a whole eco-system for the Koreans with Korean restaurants and Korean run hotels and bars that cater to their tastes.
Nothing is stopping Westerners from doing the same thing and in the past, that was the way Angeles City was. Why did it change? Because it wasn't working out financially for the business owners, business started to die out and then it was reborn again with Korean money.
Anyway that is my opinion and I could be wrong.
WestCoast1
08-31-24, 03:36
Man! The barfines are ridiculous. The girls in black dresses are 5 K, and the girls in white are 7 K. I was told there's a group (which I didn't see because I left quickly after the beer) who are 9 K. And the beer was 180 pesos, which so far is the highest I've seen. Ouch!
I didn't see the 9 K girls. Not sure if I want to pay those prices.Thanks the update. 'Ouch' is right. Burgos prices, paid completely up-front. Wouldn't one stay in Makati instead?
It will be interesting to see if other bars follow this path, and how long it lasts. If permanent, what would be the draw of AC over Burgos? At least in Burgos, the customer has control over half the amount in the morning.
I find your English very hard to follow. Maybe I should have listened harder in English school. Can you specify what time of the day you were there as female freelancers are mostly creatures of the night?Hi Jarango _ It might be my Australian English. The time was about 6 pm _Phil.
So on Tuesday I went back to Roelgeorges and to my surprise when I walked in, there was some younger talent there.
I didn't have a BJ but I said I'd be back the next day to barfine one of the younger girls. Upon returning, I agreed to a three day barfine of 9000 p. Of which the girl got half and she tipped out the other girls 200 p each. One of the older girls was pissed off as she thought she was losing out on my custom.
I won't name the girl as she's reluctant to return there. She had just arrived from Cavate City the day before and the bar provides no salary, only the older servers get a percentage of drink tips and she has to sleep on the dirty old mattress that's been blown on all day. She basically gets 500 p per BJ and there's not many customers and she's required to clean the rest of the day.
Anyway, it was well worth the while. Great little pussy, awesome BJ's, plenty of 'hot' shower action and she was really sweet. Ended up getting a surprise 6 am BJ this morning as a farewell gift.
We'll definitely keep in touch and keep the negotiation between ourselves next time. She's probably the perfect type to take to Boracay for a week and another contact to add to the list.
So all in all, Blow Row turned out to be very satisfying.
_ Phil.
AsianPussyMons
08-31-24, 06:06
I lived in Angeles city when I was 28-33 years old between 2010 and 2015 for 5 years. The stories guys talk about how the old AC was are true. Sounds like Koreans, Simps, Internet, social media, and weak men leading with their wallets trying to be big shots, has ruined everything.
During my time there, I would walk into many small bars on perimeter Road and the girls would all scream and call me by name when entered the bar. Only in the smaller perimeter Road bars like T & A, Ice Bar, Det 5 the girls would do this. In the fields bars I would not get that of course.
The bars on perimeter Road would do what was called a "lock in" they would lock up the bar entrance with customers inside and all the girls would get naked, many guys would have girls giving them a BJ right in the bar with all the other guys laughing their ass off watching and drinking beer. Everyone was having a great time.
When you barfined the girls, you could not get them leave your hotel the next morning, all the girls wanted to do was lay in bed with you stroke and suck your cock all day. They would cook for you and clean your room. The only way you could get the girl to leave was you had to pay her to go. Occasionally I would have a bad barfine, but it was not very often. On most days I had girls texting me all the time wanting to come over.
The old "WOW bar" was open 24 hours a day, and they had rooms that were like little shack rooms in the back which was some of the nastiest cum stained rooms you would ever see in your life. If only those walls could talk. For around 800-1000 pesos you went in the back room and the girl would gag on your meat for 20 minutes while you drink your beer. These girls were pros, they always wanted you to shoot your load down their throats.
It was the same at Matrix Brawn bar, within minutes of walking into Matrix Brawn and sitting on the bar stool you had two girls, sucking your cock. You didn't have to ask for it. They also had a back room and these girls were also pros at sucking cock because that's all they did was suck cock all day literally, these girls at matrix and wow bar were sucking at least 50 cocks a day. They would rub my cock down with ice and then I would grab their heads and totally face fuck them until I finished in their mouths. After I was finished the girls would thank me and tell me to "please cum again sir" I bullshit you not.
During the tail end towards 2014, 2015 I started noticing the Korean bars popping up like wild fire and a slight shift towards the AC we see today. From what I experienced in AC during that time was some of the best years of my life. I can only imagine what the Philippines was like in the 80's, my god the Philippines had to be heaven on earth in the 80's.
The images I have attached are only the tip of the iceberg, I have slept with around 500 Filipinas like these.
Sadly I seems no other place on earth will come close to what AC was in its golden years. I will forever hold onto these memories.
Thanks the update. 'Ouch' is right. Burgos prices, paid completely up-front. Wouldn't one stay in Makati instead?I think you have it the wrong way around. Why would AC bars and girls do anything to target western clientele when there is more and much easier money to be made elsewhere?
G.
WestCoast1
08-31-24, 12:10
I think you have it the wrong way around. Why would AC bars and girls do anything to target western clientele when there is more and much easier money to be made elsewhere?
G.Touche! Exactly right good sir. The K's appear to be completing a system (by design or not) where they have a niche environment. One can't blame the bar owners from changing tactics to take advantage of the niche. I'd like to say that this will increase an influx of gents back to Burgos, but with immigration numbers not rebounding from pre-covid and the number of AC western visitors way down, things might have equalized already.
Outside of AC, more poon for the rest of us.
I can only imagine what the Philippines was like in the 80's, my god the Philippines had to be heaven on earth in the 80's.
APM, you are correct. I lived there 1982- 1984 as a young USAF captain at Clark. Had the time of my life getting a lot of pussy for free or very cheap. Even dated a Playboy bunny at the Playboy Club in Manila. I am back in PI now retired here in Negros since 2022. It's still better and cheaper than most places in SEA but a shadow of its former paradise. The Koreans have ruined it and a lot more Flips have turned into fulltime scammers but compared to Sex Prison USA it's still way better. There is always Indonesia and Thailand nearby too. Cheers.
SouthEaster
09-01-24, 00:02
I had the distinct pleasure of experiencing AC in 1987 and again for several years in the 90's. Much as you describe, maybe even better? Pussy paradise undoubtedly. The only place I know of that would rival it was Cambodia in the late 90's. Unbelievable. I checked out Dolly in Surabaya around 2010 and it was good but apparently even by then it was a shadow of its previous self. Gone now completely I believe. Guess we were lucky to experience it.
AsianPussyMons
09-01-24, 14:00
APM, you are correct. I lived there 1982- 1984 as a young USAF captain at Clark. Had the time of my life getting a lot of pussy for free or very cheap. Even dated a Playboy bunny at the Playboy Club in Manila. I am back in PI now retired here in Negros since 2022. It's still better and cheaper than most places in SEA but a shadow of its former paradise. The Koreans have ruined it and a lot more Flips have turned into fulltime scammers but compared to Sex Prison USA it's still way better. There is always Indonesia and Thailand nearby too. Cheers.
I had the distinct pleasure of experiencing AC in 1987 and again for several years in the 90's. Much as you describe, maybe even better? Pussy paradise undoubtedly. The only place I know of that would rival it was Cambodia in the late 90's. Unbelievable. I checked out Dolly in Surabaya around 2010 and it was good but apparently even by then it was a shadow of its previous self. Gone now completely I believe. Guess we were lucky to experience it.Dcups & South Easter.
During my time there, I feel I caught the very tail end of the decline of Angeles city (2010-2015) to what it is today. You guys who was there in AC in the 80's I envy you guys, I wish I could have experienced that.
I was still young (28-33) in 2010-2015, (I'm 43 now). So I think that plays into why I was able to still have such a good time in AC between 2010-2015. Because make no mistake AC was starting its decline in 2010-2015, which is why so many expats was complaining about prices and everything else under the sun on Pi at night forums during that time.
I feel I was only able to have such a great time because I was still young and I was a decent looking American white man so the girls were still quite happy to fuck my brains out. However had I been an older guy in his 60's during that time I doubt it would have been as much fun for me. For that reason I envy the guy's who tell stories from the 80's.
I didn't always get free pussy. However if the girl and I were friends or I had been with her multiple times, or the girl really liked me they were always available for free. I didn't appreciate that enough, because I was always looking for the next hot girl I could find. It was the thrill of the hunt for me, I wanted variety.
I would get bored fucking the same hot girls, free pussy or not. It didn't matter how hot the girl was or how good she was in bed, I always wanted the "next one" Now I look back, I really had it good.
The images I have attached are only the tip of the iceberg, I have slept with around 500 Filipinas like these.
Sadly I seems no other place on earth will come close to what AC was in its golden years. I will forever hold onto these memories.Hi APM,
My first question is how did you manage to post pics when this is your first post? I know you have to be a member on here for a certain time period to get access to pics, but I must have missed something otherwise I would have shared some good stuff earlier.
Anyway, I've read with interest everyone's opinions. Good or bad of AC as we view it today. I think it all comes down to, if you manage to get what you want out of the current situation.
I can understand the glory days and wow, it must have been a blast. During my travels, I've met a lot of guys who were involved in the military when it was at it's peak.
My most recent and second visit was work related and I managed to get what I wanted out of the place at the right price.
Am I a Cheap Charlie? Hell yeah, when I'm getting ripped off.
Would I go back there? Not by choice. The place is an absolute shithole.
It's obvious the Koreans have moved in and changed the vibe of the place and the practices and expectations, or more so, demands of the girls. Not to mention driving up prices.
During my visit this week, I still witnessed lots of older guys (not in the best condition, mind you) scoring some excellent talent and frolicking with the girls in the hotel pool and obviously having a great vacation. So it still works for many, if not some.
I also spent an amazing three days with a girl who couldn't wait to get out of the place, even though she was there through sheer desperation.
The gloss is definitely gone and it is what you make of it.
I take it the local authorities are banking on the Korean take-over to keep the money rolling in.
It maybe ironic, but it appears to me, without sex tourism, the place would be fucked.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a strategy, but over time and visiting the Phils for business frequently, I just compile a list of contacts of those I've been with, and from various cities, and keep in touch with all the girls regularly. That way I can deal with them directly and everyone's a winner. And therefore there's generally no need to visit crappy places like AC in the hope of finding some hot pussy while dropping loads of cash in the process.
Just my observation on the ground and I appreciate everyone has different experiences and expectations _ Phil.
AsianPussyMons
09-01-24, 16:18
Hi APM,
My first question is how did you manage to post pics when this is your first post? I know you have to be a member on here for a certain time period to get access to pics, but I must have missed something otherwise I would have shared some good stuff earlier.I just clicked add report and uploaded the images, I didn't do anything special.
I have had this account for more than 10 years I think, maybe I was grandfathered in or something. Maybe the rules have changed since I made my account ages ago. I have just been a lurker. I always got most of my information about Angeles city from PI at night and Facebook groups and PI addicts.
I am able to read only, I can't view pictures, I need to donate bitcoin to view pictures, which I think I might do soon because I want do more research on this board to hopefully find the next up and coming destinations.
Here is a freelancer I picked up out of HiSo night club, I couldn't tell you her name, I probably never bothered to ask her name. Even If I did ask her name I was probably too drunk to remember it. LOL.
AsianPussyMons
09-01-24, 16:21
Here is the rest of the pictures from the series of the freelancer girl I just posted from HiSo night club, I could only upload 10 pics at a time.
AsianPussyMons
09-01-24, 17:14
APM, you are correct. I lived there 1982- 1984 as a young USAF captain at Clark.I am sure many of those military guys during that time suffered severe depression, when they had to leave the Philippines.
After I left the Philippines it took me quite a while to readjust, once I had experienced a place like Angeles City in its glory days, I became ruined for life with Asian fever.
I had the distinct pleasure of experiencing AC in 1987 and again for several years in the 90's. Much as you describe, maybe even better? Pussy paradise undoubtedly. The only place I know of that would rival it was Cambodia in the late 90's. Unbelievable. I checked out Dolly in Surabaya around 2010 and it was good but apparently even by then it was a shadow of its previous self. Gone now completely I believe. Guess we were lucky to experience it.You can add the '97 Asian Financial Crisis to the list of good 'ol days: currency collapses lead to 90% price drops; riots and coups decimated tourist and expat numbers so no competition and; millions of girls (un) fortunately suddenly out of work.
Yes, Dolly was huge and has essentially gone. There are a couple of love shacks still there but nothing compared to previously. The same can be said for Blok M.
Enjoy. G.
I am sure many of those military guys during that time suffered severe depression, when they had to leave the Philippines.
After I left the Philippines it took me quite a while to readjust, once I had experienced a place like Angeles City in its glory days, I became ruined for life with Asian fever.Ditto. I actually wept when I got reassigned to San Antonio, Texas. But I live in Negros PI now. Retired and reliving my youth with gorgeous 20-somethings.
WestCoast1
09-02-24, 00:18
I am sure many of those military guys during that time suffered severe depression, when they had to leave the Philippines.
After I left the Philippines it took me quite a while to readjust, once I had experienced a place like Angeles City in its glory days, I became ruined for life with Asian fever.APM: Great reporting. Quality never expires here. Regarding the depression, it happened to me each time I departed SE asia (several times a year). Now I live here!
You can add the '97 Asian Financial Crisis to the list of good 'ol days: currency collapses lead to 90% price drops; riots and coups decimated tourist and expat numbers so no competition and; millions of girls (un) fortunately suddenly out of work.
Yes, Dolly was huge and has essentially gone. There are a couple of love shacks still there but nothing compared to previously. The same can be said for Blok M.Do NOT get me started on the joys of Block M. Dee's Place and Top Gun were national treasures, now gone. So sad. So, like AC 'back-in-the-day' stories. You could get a Heiny for $3 in a bar with 150 FL (considerably hotter than LAC ever was), complete with live band, and grab most any hottie for about $30-$35 USD for LT, and easily bargain that for 2 pops. Had the tiger by the tail (and was f*cking its tail). If by chance you didn't see what you liked, you walked across the street to a similar bar. These were FL bars, not gogos.
Specific story as I think I reported there back in the day of this girl. Very small; several inches less than 5'. I was so concerned with her being a minor that I asked the bartender if she was old enough. "Yes. She has ID". OK. She would only do ST, saying she had to be at work in the morning. Off we went for a wonderful time at my place. Gave her the pittance she'd asked for in the bar (I hadn't bargained, I just agreed to the price her cuteness asked for the service I'd requested -- felt at the time like I was stealing something) and off she went, about 2 am.
More to it. The next morning I went to a nearby mall for a late breakfast, having woken up fresh and hungry about 10 am. Went upstairs to the food court, got a meal and sat down surrounded by dozens of others doing same. While eating I noticed a clean-up boy bussing tables, complete in uniform of black slacks and button-down shirt and baseball cap. He was coming right down the row, cleaning empty tables. When he got next to me and turned to face my direction, under that hat I noticed that it was LAST NIGHT'S CUTIE! She saw me and ducked her eyes right down to her feet, grabbing the bucket of dirty dishes and spirited herself away. Hahahaha.
As they say in AC, "Them daze is ovah"!
AsianPussyMons
09-02-24, 07:02
Now I live here!Where abouts? AC?
When I first moved to the Philippines, I didn't plan much at all. It's wild how I ended up there. I landed with just $20,000 to my name and, by some miracle, I made some smart moves that kept me earning money for five years. Eventually, the industry changed and I was unable to make money anymore, and I had to return to the USA.
I'm older now, with more gray hair and a bit more discipline. I'm not as stupid as before, but I'm still stupid LOL. I'm working hard to move back to the Philippines for good, aiming to do so in about a year and a half.
I'm considering moving to Samar or some other province to live a slower, quieter life—not to find a girl, but just to escape the burnout I feel in the USA. 1-2 years in Samar or some other province sounds perfect right now.
Back in 2010, Starlink didn't exist, so living in the province wasn't an option for me. To handle power outages there, I'm planning to build a power setup with a 15.36 kWh 300 AMP hour LiFePO4 solar battery combined with a gas generator so I can keep working during outages. Here's a video that inspired me (I am thinking of a bigger size than what is shown in the video, something that 3-4 guys could lift into a pickup truck): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9WZcMDQaDg.
I'll still visit Angeles City occasionally, but my focus is on saving money and building a solid foundation first. I want to start a new life and family in the Philippines. My biological family is toxic, and I don't want any association with them anymore. If I face serious medical issues, I need to build a trustworthy support network in the Philippines.
So I am not planning to jump back into my old habits, besides by the way AC is nowdays, it would be too expensive and not worth it to barhop like I did before. Sure I can sit at phillys and pickup freelancers, which I will do. But I will just keep a few regulars on speed dial. I am thinking 1-2 years in the province and then, back to AC.
I just clicked add report and uploaded the images, I didn't do anything special.
I have had this account for more than 10 years I think, maybe I was grandfathered in or something. Maybe the rules have changed since I made my account ages ago. I have just been a lurker. I always got most of my information about Angeles city from PI at night and Facebook groups and PI addicts.
I am able to read only, I can't view pictures, I need to donate bitcoin to view pictures, which I think I might do soon because I want do more research on this board to hopefully find the next up and coming destinations.
Here is a freelancer I picked up out of HiSo night club, I couldn't tell you her name, I probably never bothered to ask her name. Even If I did ask her name I was probably too drunk to remember it. LOL.All good APM _ I'd ask the question of an admin. I knew I had to wait 6 months before viewing pics. Nothing wrong with lurking:) _ Phil.
Touche! Exactly right good sir. The K's appear to be completing a system (by design or not) where they have a niche environment. One can't blame the bar owners from changing tactics to take advantage of the niche. I'd like to say that this will increase an influx of gents back to Burgos, but with immigration numbers not rebounding from pre-covid and the number of AC western visitors way down, things might have equalized already.
Outside of AC, more poon for the rest of us.The poon is still there in AC too, but guys got to work more (n pay more) for it, unless theyre f'ing superstuds like WestC, GoF, Phil, FuriousG, SirLance, and SailorJ.
All the good ol daze reminiscing is a tonic for the hard 21st century reality. The boys from Anglo (US / UK / IR / AUS / CAN / NZ) and other Western countries had their day when girls could convince themselves they were bedding with a Hollywood / rock star lookalike. The harsh fact for those / us dudes is that K culture now rules the day, the "F" word (f. Eminism) has been sneaking into Asia (in its own way) via social media, and Korean guys loaded up with their chaebol (big K company) bonuses and still supported by pooling of family resources back home are themselves hunting for cheaper and easier alternates to the expensive and contentious K princesses. Its their time in the sun, and I'm guessing that around 2040 K dudes will be reminiscing about it too, kind of like old Japanese dudes had their flash moment before 1990. I got nothing against my K bros or J bros at all. Just wish it were still easier me for to get it when I need it.
For me as I head into my 60's having spent 4 decades shagging Asian civvies and increasingly WGs, the choice is either 1) give up, b*itch, and reminisce or 2) find new ways to work through it. Not sure which one is going to win out yet, but maybe the extra work will be a good way to prevent senility. The past 2 months in PH and Jakarta have been a lot of work for me, but I'm getting some energy back from those 5 or 6 amazing diamonds that I persevered for (trying to forget about the 10 others who werent diamonds).
Persevere, men.
WestCoast1
09-02-24, 14:55
Where abouts? AC?No. Safely snuggled into the province. Manila and AC are over-priced bubbles. In addition, I no longer monger or constantly search for fresh meat. Local girls who are willing to provide service on my schedule tops most everything else. I visit Manila and AC from time to time, but rarely to monger.
On your plan to stay in Samar. I think that you will do well in any province. The smaller the town, the easier it will be. The poon gravitates in your direction.
ThreeInches
09-03-24, 13:00
Are you Black? That guy on the video is Black. I'm afraid many girls do not want to go with Black guys. Many girls are ignorant and racist.
I just watched a few minutes of the video. Didn't make sense. He said the waitresses ignored him for the drinks. The waitresses are paid below minimum wage. They rely on tips to make a decent living. Maybe the girls knew him, and he didn't tip. Or the next waitress in line wanted the next group in the hopes of a good tip. Black guys have a reputation of either being cheap with tips, or very flashy with huge tips.I am definitely NOT Korean, I can stop these people from pestering me to buy a drink, ladies drinks, pick a lady, and bar fines. When I walk into a bar with in 10-20 seconds I always get asked to buy a drink. Within 60 seconds I am being pestered to pick a lady within 2 minutes girls walk over trying to sit with me. This happens at every bar regardless of if they are Korean or not. I have never, never, never been denied entry into a K bar, in fact the Korean Managers always welcome me into said bars and offer me girls.
The guy in the video happens to be black but Americans in general don't want to be pressured into buying drinks so that is SOP for a foreigner that is not Asian as they think they are not pushovers. They usually leave western foreigners alone to drink their beer. I would actually love it if I could come into a bar sit down and NOT buy a drink and take the place in without them pressing me like this guy describes but it just doesn't happen to me, I would absolutely love that. And the girls for me at least are worse on perimeter, these girls won't keep their hands off my dick, and don't wear panties and shove your hands inside them. If you are not getting this treatment you are most likely a beta. Stop thinking of reasons why you get bad service and just make it what you want it to be, that the magic of the Philippines is it can be what you want it to be unlike the states where you have very little control over your fate.
This guy said that he went to Avalon and got ignored, I just took my on the spectrum friend to this place and we had a great time. I think Beta males as a whole in a slower market have a hard time asserting themselves. If you want them to ogle you, you have to show some interest, you can't sit there tampo and expect them to run to you. Weird looking guys like this video the girls kind of leave them alone and just let them be, they think they have mental problems, I'm not making a joke here. They usually complain about buying drinks or the prices so they leave them to their own devices. No one wants to go to work and deal with these karen beta males, girls don't want to fuck a karen beta for any amount of money. This guy is just trying to find some reason beta males get less and doesn't analyze himself, or realize that western foreigners don't like that kind of attention and the girls know this and let them have some space. Guys like that are just looking to complain if they did pressure him he would just be making a video about how high pressured they are and how pushy and clingy they are. There is no pleasing these weird guys with these kind of issues.
Tbh one real reason why things have changed is that their salaries improve with lady drinks and their are 4-5 tiers of this. So the girls will not waste time on someone who is not willing to either bar fine or buy at least one drink. I don't think this is unreasonable to pay for a girls time if you are there.
SouthEaster
09-03-24, 22:42
The hell is an "on the spectrum" friend? What spectrum? Gender? Autism? Skin colour? BTW your karen beta males seem to be colloquially known as "cheap charlies".
LoveItHere69
09-04-24, 05:38
On your plan to stay in Samar. I think that you will do well in any province. The smaller the town, the easier it will be. The poon gravitates in your direction.Totally disagree. The smaller the town the shorter and faster the bamboo grapevine is. Everyone knows everyone and everything. No secrets because they all get found. Everyone is more reserved and conservative in their own small town but go wild when they go visit the big city and go on vacation away from people they know. That is true everywhere in the world. There is a reason for that. If the small towns were so easy we would all be doing it and stories would be told. You are the only one telling these stories. I can believe it happening but not so easy as you make others believe. You make it sound as if small town girls are throwing themselves at foreigners in front of their friends, family, and neighbors. Not going to happen. For decades guys have been talking about going to the AC bar girl source SAMAR. Never read any positive stories but many bad wasted time going there stories. You do not shit where you eat. Some outsider starts messing with someone's GF or wife and you can be made to simply disappear in the woods real quick. Life is cheap and means nothing there. The smaller the town the more fire you are playing with if you like to play with many girls. I have to call BS.
Truth is if what you say was true all the foreigners would be in SAMAR. I have not read of anybody living there and the very few that visited did not have a good time and left. Guys find girls and then take them somewhere else for a reason.
- I went to Madonna at around 5:45 pm. I wanted to see how the 9 K girls looked like. FYI, the barfines at that bar are 5 K, 7 K, and 9 K. The 9 K girls wear the black velour dresses. I was told there are 4 of them. Not sure if it's 4 on Monday, or 4 everyday. There were 2 left at that time. 2 were already barfined. The 2 remaining were not that impressive. There were some 5 K girls that were the same or slightly better than the 9 K girls. But, I'm wondering if the 2 who were barfined are worth it. If those 2 are similar to the one black taped model at XS (who was the best of the bunch on Monday night), then they are worth 9 K. FYI, that one top notch black tape girl at XS had a sponsor (info from 2 years ago).
- The beer at Madonna was just increased to 200 pesos. Most expensive in Angeles. The most I've seen was 150 pesos for a beer on Walking Street. I was told there are other bars that has the same pricing structure for barfines. Didn't see it the other night (But I didn't go to every bar on Walking Street). It seems now, most bars on the main area of Walking Street has 5 K barfines.
- The barfines at Avalon and XS is 5 K for most of the girls, and 6 K for the black taped models. One waitress at some other bar told me that the black tape models are 6 K or 7 K, depending on the customer / circumstances. That would make sense. Other posters have written that they were charged higher than the prices that are normally quoted.
- Dragon Bar (upstairs) is closed. It seems they are going to move downstairs. Wondering if the American that bought the Dragon bar planned this. BTW, at least one of the mamasans from Dragon moved (with her girls) to Madonna.
- Funny how some people are "scared" of the Koreans. They think they are weekend millionaires with huge bonuses that will outspend all of us. Geez! There are White Westerners that spend as well as those guys. I see White Westerners spend large amounts of money on bell rings, and buying large amounts of lady drinks. White Westerners (generally) do not make it rain like the Koreans. They spend the money in other ways. I know a regular, and she said a customer (White guy) who gave her a 10 K tip just to go barhopping. I saw a girl who was hung over because a White guy the previous night rang the bell constantly.
- IMO, majority of the Koreans are not weekend millionaires; many are also price conscious, just like the White ex-pats. Not all Koreans are making it rain. Percentage wise, it's a very small number. Also, not all are Koreans. Many are Japanese and Chinese. Not sure of the percentages. I see many of them at the poker room.
- Ya, many girls prefer East Asians at the Korean oriented bars. Not sure of the percentages. White guys shouldn't have any problems at the Western oriented bars. But you guys have to remember that some girls do not like sex every day. Some will say no. I'm afraid many girls will reject Black and Indian guys in many of the bars. Not sure of the percentages.
- There are some girls who have sponsors and/or want to have drinks only. Not sure of the percentages.
- Following probably should go under the stupid shit section. Q Bar is / was never a Korean oriented bar. Still no Korean touts / pappasan. Although last week, there were 3 customers at one point; all East Asians. Still haven't seen a Korean owner / pappasan at XS. Our resident "expert" is still an idiot. Sometimes he's 18 months behind. He just trashed Atlantis. LOL! Few years ago, he was saying how he took his Korean clients to Atlantis; it was the same as it is now.
Totally disagree. The smaller the town the shorter and faster the bamboo grapevine is. Everyone knows everyone and everything. No secrets because they all get found. Everyone is more reserved and conservative in their own small town but go wild when they go visit the big city and go on vacation away from people they know. That is true everywhere in the world. There is a reason for that. If the small towns were so easy we would all be doing it and stories would be told. You are the only one telling these stories. I can believe it happening but not so easy as you make others believe. You make it sound as if small town girls are throwing themselves at foreigners in front of their friends, family, and neighbors. Not going to happen. For decades guys have been talking about going to the AC bar girl source SAMAR. Never read any positive stories but many bad wasted time going there stories. You do not shit where you eat. Some outsider starts messing with someone's GF or wife and you can be made to simply disappear in the woods real quick. Life is cheap and means nothing there. The smaller the town the more fire you are playing with if you like to play with many girls. I have to call BS.
Truth is if what you say was true all the foreigners would be in SAMAR. I have not read of anybody living there and the very few that visited did not have a good time and left. Guys find girls and then take them somewhere else for a reason.I'm not sure it's as black and white as you or Westie claim.
I'll place my vote for the provinces being better than AC. Much better. I'm certainly not alone but it shouldn't surprise anyone that many guys refrain from publicising their favourite fishing spots. The last thing we need is 100 horny tourists turning up.
The provinces are more work. Both to get there and upon arrival. They aren't point and shoot like AC and Makati. Many prefer these options as they don't have the time or inclination to put in the effort. I've had several guys complain about my Cebu suggestions saying that it took too much time and effort. I mean see'Mon. That's how much mongers need instant gratification now. Forget about catching planes, trains and automobiles to get there and then a few days to find one's feet. That's way too much for many guys. However, those who can put in the extra effort often find it worth it.
Enjoy. G.
P.S. I guess everyone also has different definition of 'provincial' girls. I've always regarded it as more of an attitude than a population count. Davao is a huge city. However, girls there have a totally different attitude to those in metro Manila or Cebu. I do agree with your point that in very small towns, everyone knows everyone's business so bouncing from cutie to cutie becomes more challenging.
G.
Old And Ugly
09-04-24, 21:15
Totally disagree. The smaller the town the shorter and faster the bamboo grapevine is. Everyone knows everyone and everything. No secrets because they all get found. Everyone is more reserved and conservative in their own small town but go wild when they go visit the big city and go on vacation away from people they know. That is true everywhere in the world. There is a reason for that. If the small towns were so easy we would all be doing it and stories would be told. You are the only one telling these stories. I can believe it happening but not so easy as you make others believe. You make it sound as if small town girls are throwing themselves at foreigners in front of their friends, family, and neighbors. Not going to happen. For decades guys have been talking about going to the AC bar girl source SAMAR. Never read any positive stories but many bad wasted time going there stories. You do not shit where you eat. Some outsider starts messing with someone's GF or wife and you can be made to simply disappear in the woods real quick. Life is cheap and means nothing there. The smaller the town the more fire you are playing with if you like to play with many girls. I have to call BS.
Truth is if what you say was true all the foreigners would be in SAMAR. I have not read of anybody living there and the very few that visited did not have a good time and left. Guys find girls and then take them somewhere else for a reason.I agree 100%, I spent one year doing the small town thing, (because I didn't have nothing better to do), and the results were insignificant. I always ended up back in angeles city in-between relocations.
WestCoast1
09-05-24, 00:24
Totally disagree. The smaller the town the shorter and faster the bamboo grapevine is. Everyone knows everyone and everything. No secrets because they all get found. Everyone is more reserved and conservative in their own small town but go wild when they go visit the big city and go on vacation away from people they know. That is true everywhere in the world. There is a reason for that. If the small towns were so easy we would all be doing it and stories would be told. You are the only one telling these stories. I can believe it happening but not so easy as you make others believe. You make it sound as if small town girls are throwing themselves at foreigners in front of their friends, family, and neighbors. Not going to happen. For decades guys have been talking about going to the AC bar girl source SAMAR. Never read any positive stories but many bad wasted time going there stories. You do not shit where you eat. Some outsider starts messing with someone's GF or wife and you can be made to simply disappear in the woods real quick. Life is cheap and means nothing there. The smaller the town the more fire you are playing with if you like to play with many girls. I have to call BS.
Truth is if what you say was true all the foreigners would be in SAMAR. I have not read of anybody living there and the very few that visited did not have a good time and left. Guys find girls and then take them somewhere else for a reason.Respectfully, my mates and I have done fairly well here. And continue to do so, albeit doing things a bit differently than you suggest. I am not talking about gents who breeze thru town for a few weeks looking for trim. Living in the province does not mean that you must settle down with an asawa (although many do that). One learns to play the local game. Other members on this board live in the same area as me, have stayed single, have different styles than myself, and have been able to find ways to burn thru the trim at a faster pace than myself. There are advantages and disadvantages.
AsianPussyMons
09-07-24, 04:04
Totally disagree. The smaller the town the shorter and faster the bamboo grapevine is. Everyone knows everyone and everything. No secrets because they all get found. Everyone is more reserved and conservative in their own small town but go wild when they go visit the big city and go on vacation away from people they know. That is true everywhere in the world. There is a reason for that. If the small towns were so easy we would all be doing it and stories would be told. You are the only one telling these stories. I can believe it happening but not so easy as you make others believe. You make it sound as if small town girls are throwing themselves at foreigners in front of their friends, family, and neighbors. Not going to happen. For decades guys have been talking about going to the AC bar girl source SAMAR. Never read any positive stories but many bad wasted time going there stories. You do not shit where you eat. Some outsider starts messing with someone's GF or wife and you can be made to simply disappear in the woods real quick. Life is cheap and means nothing there. The smaller the town the more fire you are playing with if you like to play with many girls. I have to call BS.
Truth is if what you say was true all the foreigners would be in SAMAR. I have not read of anybody living there and the very few that visited did not have a good time and left. Guys find girls and then take them somewhere else for a reason.I would not be going to Samar to sleep with many girls, anybody who knows anything about the philippines knows that anit going to fly in the province, your right the bamboo grapevine is thick in the province. These people love to gossip in the philiy willy.
I would be going to samar or some other province to lay low, keep to myself, and work on improving myself, saving money and minding my own business. I know many will try to ask me "you want girl?" blah blah blah. I will just politely decline. If I want pussy I'll just go to AC.
The only way I will get involed with a girl in the province is if she is a absolute stunner, and I am in a position to have a serious strong relationship. Even then I would never have sex with her for months until I vet her family, status in the family, life goals, and determine if we get along. For the first few months, I will limit my interaction with the girl to only phone calls and coffee dates.
Too many dudes just let any bird enter their lives so easily, the land of instant girl friends and wonder why things don't work out.
Oh no. I been there done that.
NapaSlapper
09-08-24, 02:55
Whats happening on the town over the last several bar hops, well obviously angeles city has bars that are western oriented and bars that are asian oriented, westerners stick to the western bars because they are ignored in the asian bars by the girls and asians stick to the asian bars because they just do not like the look of the girls employed in the western bars, of course we did not attend all bars but here is a few we did.
Asian oriented bars.
Xs bar, as has been said by many including myself this bar is the number one bar in angeles, its standing room only most nights with asian punters, has by far the best looking, slim girls, the best professional shows, the korean manager runs a really tight ship here, beer is ice cold (sml beer and most mixed drinks 180 peso) lady drinks around 350-400 peso, many of the better looking girls just do not bar fine and are drinks only girls or show girls, those that do bar fine are korean only, always enjoy nights in this bar with korean friends.
Madonna bar, our resident troll claims many things that me and many friends just do not see or experience like 200 peso drinks and girls at 9,000 peso barfine at madonna bar, all I can say is they must have put him down as a clueless newbie.
Our drinks prices at madonna bar 160 peso sml beer and 180 peso mixed drinks, black dress girls Korea friends bar fined were 6,000 peso, all other girls 5,000 peso.
Avalon bar and QBar, again all customers asian on my countless visits to these two bars some nights many girls that are cute and ok looking, some nights none, been a bit quiet here over the last few weeks for girl and punter numbers compared to few months ago but still two ok bars, (sml and mixed drinks 150 peso to 180 peso, lady drinks 350 peso, bar fines 5 and 6,000 peso, again many girls only give attention to asians.
Sky bar, again punters are asians, about 20 girls,2 or 3 girls ok looking and slim, about 10-12 punters on my visits, sml beer 150 peso, lady drinks 350 peso, some nights ok, some nights not.
Western oriented bars, first let me say there are very few western oriented bars left in angeles walking st, the most popular western bars are, lollipop bar, Geckos bar, masquarade bar, many moons back these three bars were rocking wall to wall customers and girls, many moons back me and friends bar fined multiple girls from these three bars, roll on to today and these bars have died a death, very few customers and girls, many girls older, fatter, and plain in looks, have not bought a lady drink in these bars in a very long time so low is the quality of girls.
In summing up, really cannot see the attraction of an angeles visit if one is a westerner and even slightly fussy in bed partners, many westerners friends have deserted angeles city bars for other asian destinations westerners are greatly out numbered by asians, the asians have bought up most bars, many hotels and businesses, they have the few better looking girls working in their bars and by far the better looking girls on their arm. The take over of angeles by the koreans is complete IMHO.
Madonna bar, our resident troll claims many things that me and many friends just do not see or experience like 200 peso drinks and girls at 9,000 peso barfine at madonna bar, all I can say is they must have put him down as a clueless newbie.
Our drinks prices at madonna bar 160 peso sml beer and 180 peso mixed drinks, black dress girls Korea friends bar fined were 6,000 peso, all other girls 5,000 peso.Again you are incorrect.
SML are 200. Barfines are 5, 7, and 9 K. Only 4 girls at 9 K (last week). Ladydrinks are 450 Pesos (WOW! It seems that's the most expensive in Angeles).
Are you going to continue your ignorance, just like the Lolipop debacle couple of years ago.
QBar, again all customers asian on my countless visits
Again, just like your stubborn Lolipop debacle, Q Bar is not an East Asian oriented bar. Pretty lame bar, IMO, even when my friend Paul (RIP) was part owner/manager.
Xs bar...(sml beer and most mixed drinks 180 peso) lady drinks around 350-400 peso,
WRONG again. SML is not 180. I paid 140 pesos for an SML last week.
Ladydrinks? which is it, 350 or 400? I haven't bought a ladydrink there for awhile.
So many mistakes. Then you double down on those mistakes.
Its funny how when guys get called out about being in angeles by requesting a friendly beer they all of a sudden happen to have just conveniently left angeles yesterday, amazing.
Anyways, some of us are actually in angeles and went out to the bars last night.Previously, you called me out, offering a friendly beer. I came back in November. Of course, you gave a BS reason why you couldn't meet for beers.
If you are real, I will meet you for beers. I will PROFUSELY PROFUSELY apologize for thinking you are a fake. I will buy you beers the entire night. Of course, you will give a reason why you aren't in Angeles. You only have a short window to accept at the present time. Or else, you have to wait until November to give another BS reason.
You claim to "have" a company with many employees. Are you claiming you own the company, or just an employee of that company. If you own it, you should be a very powerful man in Angeles. LOL!
NapaSlapper
09-09-24, 02:16
Again you are incorrect.
SML are 200. Barfines are 5, 7, and 9 K. Only 4 girls at 9 K (last week). Ladydrinks are 450 Pesos (WOW! It seems that's the most expensive in Angeles).
Are you going to continue your ignorance, just like the Lolipop debacle couple of years ago.
Again, just like your stubborn Lolipop debacle, Q Bar is not an East Asian oriented bar. Pretty lame bar, IMO, even when my friend Paul (RIP) was part owner/manager.
WRONG again. SML is not 180. I paid 140 pesos for an SML last week.
Ladydrinks? which is it, 350 or 400? I haven't bought a ladydrink there for awhile.
So many mistakes. Then you double down on those mistakes.
Previously, you called me out, offering a friendly beer. I came back in November. Of course, you gave a BS reason why you couldn't meet for beers.
If you are real, I will meet you for beers. I will PROFUSELY PROFUSELY apologize for thinking you are a fake. I will buy you beers the entire night. Of course, you will give a reason why you aren't in Angeles. You only have a short window to accept at the present time. Or else, you have to wait until November to give another BS reason.
You claim to "have" a company with many employees. Are you claiming you own the company, or just an employee of that company. If you own it, you should be a very powerful man in Angeles. LOL!As I and many have said, if one is a simpleton, a newbie, or a bar girl just cannot stomach the thought of fucking one unless she is charging double for having to lower herself to such then its quite possible one is quoted much higher prices in the bars than others.
The whole purpose of this board is to state ones experiences and prices quoted, if you disagree or are quoted higher prices than others then I suggest looking in the mirror.
My and my drinking buddies experiences of madonna bar is what I stated in my last bar report, we did not pay 200 peso for beers or get quoted 7 and 9,000 peso for barfines or 450 peso for lady drinks of which we bought many and also paid bar fines.
For the last time greenbud, Qbar is korean oriented, in as much as it has all asian customers, it caters to the asians 100%,the girls are dressed up to cater to asians, they will only barfine with asians so I'm completely correct in stating QBar is korean oriented, end of story.
Now on to meet up, why would any sane person want to meet a guy who sends constant profanity in private message, trolls posts constantly and is my total stalker online and has had many posts deleted and warnings issued by admin for such, think in truth I would rather meet satan himself.
For any sane members that want to correspond by private message, build up a friendship then I am quite happy to meet for beers in angeles city or to show newbies around the bars or answer any questions newbies might have.
Please fellow members, don't let the trolls and haters stop one from writing about ones experiences, always remember trolls and haters whole aim is to silence others, keep the trip reports coming, we have so few in the angeles section.
As I and many have said, if one is a simpleton, a newbie, or a bar girl just cannot stomach the thought of fucking one unless she is charging double for having to lower herself to such then its quite possible one is quoted much higher prices in the bars than others.
The whole purpose of this board is to state ones experiences and prices quoted, if you disagree or are quoted higher prices than others then I suggest looking in the mirror.
My and my drinking buddies experiences of madonna bar is what I stated in my last bar report, we did not pay 200 peso for beers or get quoted 7 and 9,000 peso for barfines or 450 peso for lady drinks of which we bought many and also paid bar fines.
For the last time greenbud, Qbar is korean oriented, in as much as it has all asian customers, it caters to the asians 100%,the girls are dressed up to cater to asians, they will only barfine with asians so I'm completely correct in stating QBar is korean oriented, end of story.
Now on to meet up, why would any sane person want to meet a guy who sends constant profanity in private message, trolls posts constantly and is my total stalker online and has had many posts deleted and warnings issued by admin for such, think in truth I would rather meet satan himself.
For any sane members that want to correspond by private message, build up a friendship then I am quite happy to meet for beers in angeles city or to show newbies around the bars or answer any questions newbies might have.
Please fellow members, don't let the trolls and haters stop one from writing about ones experiences, always remember trolls and haters whole aim is to silence others, keep the trip reports coming, we have so few in the angeles section.Well said, NS. If our paths cross I'll have a beer with you. After all, I'm from and. Cal and not too far from wine country.
MassageLover81
09-11-24, 13:30
Reminds me of my younger self. Back in 2004 when I first discovered AC, my mind was blown as well. I fucked six girls a day for 4 days straight. Bar girls, non pros, ST, LT all of it. Plus my dick was hard 16 hours a day because in the bars the girls would be rubbing it non stop while shoving boobs in my face. Damn, I miss the old AC, but I miss the old ME even more. LOL.How many shots did you have with each girl? I assume one shot with each girls so that's 24 shots in 4 days?
How did you cum so many times?
Do you think having variety of girls is the key to get excited? After all I don't think someone could cum 24 times with the SAME girl in 4 days.
How many shots did you have with each girl? I assume one shot with each girls so that's 24 shots in 4 days?
How did you cum so many times?
Do you think having variety of girls is the key to get excited? After all I don't think someone could cum 24 times with the SAME girl in 4 days.I don't do vitamin v, and it is still possible. I was with the same girl 3. 5 days in December and January (1. 5 days in December and 2 days in January) and gave 19 creampies and a couple more with no cum because I was drained. And 2-4 a day this summer for three weeks when we were together. But I'm still in my early 40's hehehe.
For the last time greenbud, Qbar is korean oriented, in as much as it has all asian customers, it caters to the asians 100%Dropped by Q Bar tonight. No Korean touts in front. Never have seen any Korean touts or papasans there ever since it changed it's name to the Q Bar. Moderately crowded; all White Westerners.
Never has been a Korean oriented bar. This proves you've never been there.
Still doubling down on your BS, huh.
Dropped by Q Bar tonight. No Korean touts in front. Never have seen any Korean touts or papasans there ever since it changed it's name to the Q Bar. Moderately crowded; all White Westerners.
Never has been a Korean oriented bar. This proves you've never been there.
Still doubling down on your BS, huh.He will triple down and hide your post in Stupid Shit forum so most will not see it.
I agree with you. Qbar is not Korean. I have BF a few there. Also Qbar is related to Lollipop bar.
Expat American
09-12-24, 09:00
How many shots did you have with each girl? I assume one shot with each girls so that's 24 shots in 4 days?
How did you cum so many times?
Do you think having variety of girls is the key to get excited? After all I don't think someone could cum 24 times with the SAME girl in 4 days.Different girls, sometimes 3 somes, but I was much younger then. Now I am limited to 2-3 pops per day max in my late 50's.
I don't do vitamin v.....Young guys should not need to use vitamin V.
AsianPussyMons
09-13-24, 00:07
Young guys should not need to use vitamin V.Shitttttt! I was 28-33 years old, I drinking 30 rum and cokes a night and was popping vitamin V like they was M&M's, I was destroying these girls pussies and my liver.
Good times though, just a memory now! LOL.
NapaSlapper
09-13-24, 01:40
He will triple down and hide your post in Stupid Shit forum so most will not see it.
I agree with you. Qbar is not Korean. I have BF a few there. Also Qbar is related to Lollipop bar.Please explain how its possible for me to hide other members posts when I am not the admin of this board or a moderator of the board.
Admin are in control of all posts, if one writes BS or openly is trying to discredit others or does not have a clue then of course admin will move members posts from the angeles forum to the BS forum or any other place they feel it belongs.
Yes as you have had recent posts moved by admin then I can understand your upset.
Please explain how its possible for me to hide other members posts In the red header bar Settings / My Settings / Edit Ignore List.
G.
PS. My bad. I thought you wanted to remove a Subscriber form your view.
Ignore the above
FuriousGeorge
09-13-24, 08:16
Correct. I'm white as white can be and I've taken girls from Q Bar many times. And yes they are affiliated with Lollipop.
He will triple down and hide your post in Stupid Shit forum so most will not see it.
I agree with you. Qbar is not Korean. I have BF a few there. Also Qbar is related to Lollipop bar.
WestCoast1
09-13-24, 09:41
I agree with you. Qbar is not Korean. I have BF a few there. Also Qbar is related to Lollipop bar.
Correct. I'm white as white can be and I've taken girls from Q Bar many times. And yes they are affiliated with Lollipop.Anyone know if Q Bar takes the Wolfpack card for discount? That would prove the point.
Anyone know if Q Bar takes the Wolfpack card for discount? That would prove the point.I have only ever seen predominantly western customers in Q Bar. Its definitely not a K customer bar.
My recollection is that the waitress always asks if I have a Wolfpack card there. But I could be wrong (usually sizing up the stage talent when ordering the first beer, and my pituitary gland is interfering with the memory box).
Shitttttt! I was 28-33 years old, I drinking 30 rum and cokes a night and was popping vitamin V like they was M&M's, I was destroying these girls pussies and my liver.
Good times though, just a memory now! LOL.After 30 rum and cokes one does need vitamin V, young or old.
After 30 rum and cokes one does need vitamin V, young or old.Definitely! _ Phil.
Definitely! _ Phil.In all seriousness it would not be wise to mix a lot of alcohol with vitamin V. Could end up being one big stiff!
- I went to Madonna at 5:30 pm to check out the 9 K talent (I was told there are 4 girls in that group; previously I only saw 2 of them). The barfine of that group went up to 10 K. Now the barfines are 5 K, 7 K, and 10 K. I saw one that I didn't see previously. She was pretty good. I think she is worth 10 K. She was on menstruation (her tag was red). That is probably why she wasn't already barfined. The quality of the 5 K and 7 K are not that impressive. You can see the same quality in the other bars. But none of them were butt ugly, like you see in many of the other bars. A Coke Zero was 200 pesos.
My and my drinking buddies experiences of madonna bar is what I stated in my last bar report, we did not pay 200 peso for beers or get quoted 7 and 9,000 peso for barfines or 450 peso for lady drinks of which we bought many and also paid bar fines.Maybe the Korean owner respects you and gives you a discount because you are a big shot who owns a large company, and you barhop and party with your other big shot Korean clients. LOL! Our resident fake is still a dweeb.
Now on to meet up, why would any sane person want to meet a guy who sends constant profanity in private message,I have NEVER written any profanity in any PM. Please post it, and I will profusely apologize.
- Tonight, I asked the door girls if the Q Bar was part of the Wolfpack group. They said yes. FYI, you get discount drinks for you and a female companion if you join the club. It wasn't even necessary to ask. It is so obvious that the Q Bar is not a Korean bar.
- The upstairs Dragon bar was open; it was closed the other day. I just peeked in quickly at 5:20 pm. Didn't see anything special.
- Went to Shooters. I was asked if I had a Wolfpack card. Barfine was 5 K. Definitely a Western Bar. My definition of a Western bar would be that the majority of the clients are White Westerners, and there no Korean touts / pappasan.
- Maybe one the best value on Fields is Insomnia. Barfine is "only" 4 K. 90 pesos SML during 6-8 pm happy hour.
- I haven't done Perimeter Road for years. I'm happy with Fields and its 4 k and 5 K barfines.
Old And Ugly
09-15-24, 09:16
Feeding the kids on the street, and mini dustin hoffman, you all know them. The short legged chewing gum lady is missing.
- Peeked into Lolipop on a Sunday night around 8 pm. Seemed pretty slow. Not that many customers or girls. As previously mentioned many times, Lolipop is a Western bar.
- Had a beer at Bacarra around 8 pm. SML was 200 pesos. Definitely a Korean bar. Korean touts in front; mainly Korean customers. Korean bars generally charge at the high end. Barfines were 5 K. There were several girls in bikini type of outfits on the upper level. Many girls in street clothes on the first floor. One was above average; the rest was around average. But it was late for a Korean bar. Wondering if the best ones were already barfined.
- Had the next beer at Genesis. Technically a Korean bar. Korean tout in front. But it was somewhat empty of customers. Not as many girls there compared to this past weekend. There were just one group of Koreans. To me, it didn't have the vibe of a Korean bar. SML was just 130 pesos.
- SML is 140 at XS. Happy hour price of SML at Avalon is 95 pesos.
- Sunday nights might be a slow night for many bars. Mondays might be worst; numerous bars are closed on Mondays.
- Nothing is happening at the old location of Margaritaville; it's been like that for a while. There is a sign that says it's available. IMO, location for a go-go bar there isn't that good; it's too far up Fields Avenue. They're doing construction at the Paradise Sports bar. Not sure if they're remodeling, or putting up a new bar. Nothing seems to be happening right now at the old location of Envy.
ThreeInches
09-16-24, 01:07
Wondering if the best ones were already barfined.Girls who get bar fined multiple days in a row well over the normal quota for the normal girls get bumped up into a VIP group. Mostly Direct service and they are allowed to mess around since they have already met the bars requirements as long as they agree to the VIP group terms, "the best" girls usually are moved into this group and no longer show up to the bar or are already bar fined before the bar opens so regardless of the time you get to the bar they won't be there.
Girls who get bar fined multiple days in a row well over the normal quota for the normal girls get bumped up into a VIP group. Mostly Direct service and they are allowed to mess around since they have already met the bars requirements as long as they agree to the VIP group terms, "the best" girls usually are moved into this group and no longer show up to the bar or are already bar fined before the bar opens so regardless of the time you get to the bar they won't be there.A third of the girls take Sunday off. Lollipop girls have mandatory work days on Fridays and Saturdays. No shows on Fridays or Saturdays are given heavy penalties deducted from their salary.
Thusly 8 pm on Sundays at Lollipop are pretty slow.
ThreeInches
09-16-24, 17:31
A third of the girls take Sunday off. Lollipop girls have mandatory work days on Fridays and Saturdays. No shows on Fridays or Saturdays are given heavy penalties deducted from their salary.
Thusly 8 pm on Sundays at Lollipop are pretty slow.My post was a reply to "Bacarra" and that group of bars but that is good to know about lollipop.
- Stopped by Dragon Bar at 6:30 pm on a Tuesday for a beer. SML was 130 pesos.
- It wasn't that crowded. Around 17 girls on stage. Several customers. Around 7 door-girls. Not jam packed as previous years. Talent was decent. A few were above average. The rest was about average.
- Previously, this was THE place if you wanted to take your Korean clients barhopping to pick up girls. LOL! Not anymore.
- Talked to a waitress. She said the Dragon Bar is not moving downstairs. It seems they just added a large sign in front of the old Lost in Asia Bar.
- She said the bar was closed for about a month because many girls did not have licenses and health check-ups. She said that was why the bar was packed with girls during the previous years. Many of the girls did not have licenses. Previously, the bar was packed with girls. She said sometimes the bar had up to 100 girls. Sometimes they had 70 barfines. I remember they close early sometimes because most of the girls were barfined. Now, the waitress said they sometimes close at midnight because there aren't any customers.
- That American bought the bar. She said now there are no Korean pappasans. But she said most customers are still East Asians. She said many girls still prefer East Asians. But she said about 7 like White guys.
- Wondering why this bar went downhill. Was it because it closed for a month, and lost it's momentum. Or was it because an American bought the bar, and got rid of it's Korean pappasans, and probably doesn't advertise to the Korean community. Why would an American buy a Korean bar?
ThreeInches
09-17-24, 21:52
- She said the bar was closed for about a month because many girls did not have licenses and health check-ups. She said that was why the bar was packed with girls during the previous years. Many of the girls did not have licenses. Previously, the bar was packed with girls. She said sometimes the bar had up to 100 girls. Sometimes they had 70 barfines. I remember they close early sometimes because most of the girls were barfined. Now, the waitress said they sometimes close at midnight because there aren't any customers.
No health checks. Isn't that what the elevated bar fines are suppose to roll in at least someone is kicking the tires to see if some raging infection is not out of control. Bar fines usually one step up from streetwalkers, at least they weed out the ones with an obvious infection smh. I would like to know what other bars allow the girls to bypass the health checks. Also that stupid bar is up the longest flight of steps in AC, my knees can't do that now days in the past maybe but I wouldn't drink at that bar unless you want to try your hand at a Japanese gameshow contestant. The bar on the bottom has a nice layout nice booths, would definitely pop into that one if it opens up.
My post was a reply to "Bacarra" and that group of bars but that is good to know about lollipop.My apologies. I replied to the wrong post.
- Stopped by Dragon Bar at 6:30 pm on a Tuesday for a beer. SML was 130 pesos.
- It wasn't that crowded. Around 17 girls on stage. Several customers. Around 7 door-girls. Not jam packed as previous years. Talent was decent. A few were above average. The rest was about average.
- Previously, this was THE place if you wanted to take your Korean clients barhopping to pick up girls. LOL! Not anymore.
- Talked to a waitress. She said the Dragon Bar is not moving downstairs. It seems they just added a large sign in front of the old Lost in Asia Bar.
- She said the bar was closed for about a month because many girls did not have licenses and health check-ups. She said that was why the bar was packed with girls during the previous years. Many of the girls did not have licenses. Previously, the bar was packed with girls. She said sometimes the bar had up to 100 girls. Sometimes they had 70 barfines. I remember they close early sometimes because most of the girls were barfined. Now, the waitress said they sometimes close at midnight because there aren't any customers.
- That American bought the bar. She said now there are no Korean pappasans. But she said most customers are still East Asians. She said many girls still prefer East Asians. But she said about 7 like White guys.
- Wondering why this bar went downhill. Was it because it closed for a month, and lost it's momentum. Or was it because an American bought the bar, and got rid of it's Korean pappasans, and probably doesn't advertise to the Korean community. Why would an American buy a Korean bar?Salamat GB. Your posts are very accurate and up to date informative. Keep it up.
Old And Ugly
09-18-24, 21:35
No health checks. Isn't that what the elevated bar fines are suppose to roll in at least someone is kicking the tires to see if some raging infection is not out of control. Bar fines usually one step up from streetwalkers, at least they weed out the ones with an obvious infection smh. I would like to know what other bars allow the girls to bypass the health checks. Also that stupid bar is up the longest flight of steps in AC, my knees can't do that now days in the past maybe but I wouldn't drink at that bar unless you want to try your hand at a Japanese gameshow contestant. The bar on the bottom has a nice layout nice booths, would definitely pop into that one if it opens up.I think I had a post before about the 'Health check", there is no checkup, the "doctor" simply inserts a vaginal suppository in each girl, and that's it, no checkup of any kind. Just ask any girl what they do when they go to the "hygiene". I have no idea what the suppository is, but there is no magic pill, each disease needs targeted treatment: fungal, bacterial, etc, and I'm pretty sure it's not coming in a 1 pill form.
NapaSlapper
09-19-24, 02:55
What news of angeles walking st and the last couple of bar hops.
Its not surprising that there is rain most days / nights as its rainy season but it sure makes it unpleasant during the down pours to be out especially as the road is still a mess, yes we now have some concrete poured on both sides of the length of walking st to be able to walk but in many places that concrete does not marry up to the entrance of the bars leaving a muddy void, the road surface in the middle of the st has still to be laid and is a mess.
The whole town feels very quiet, even the usual high numbers of korean punters is much less, for western numbers its even worse, unless one makes an effort to actually attend the very few western oriented bars that are very quiet then one just does not see westerners in any numbers.
Asian oriented bars which are in truth most of the bars have a few customers, some much busier than others, XS bar remains about the only angeles bar that one could call fairly busy these last bar hops, XS bar also has the most cuties, fully expect as the girls cuteness increases so do the negatives like drinks only girls or racist girls in as much as attention is only given to asians.
As for the few western oriented bars well in truth they are dead for both punters and cuties, most punters here being older expats that live here, for the western bars its catch twenty two, very few customers equals no money for the bar owners to pay the higher salaries the cuties of today demand leaving the western bars with older, fatter, plain janes as employees.
All bars visited sml punter beer was priced between 150-180 pesos, did not pay any more in any of the bars visited which were many.
Barfines (if one can actually get the princess to accept such) is 6,000 peso for the ok looking girls and 5,000 peso for the not ok looking girls.
Angeles remains an ok destination for the asians if one is even a little fussy in girls, as a western punter then the choices of girls available to such are greatly diminished.
NapaSlapper
09-19-24, 08:05
I think one will find that the simple weekly hygiene visit the Bargirls get done mainly covers nothing, its basically a means of the city earning regular money from such.
Lets be clear, as no blood is taken from the girls during the visit then the more serious things like syphillis and hiv aids cannot be detected at all, blood tests would be needed for these to be detected.
Guys trying to claim that bar girls are any safer to fuck than any other girl is dreaming at best.
If in doubt a quick visit to dr gusman (angeles clap doctor) or any other hospital that deals in sexual disease and one will see big numbers of both bar girls and punters waiting in line for help.
Anyone know if Q Bar takes the Wolfpack card for discount? That would prove the point.Here is the Wolfpack line-up as of July 25th.
I think I had a post before about the 'Health check", there is no checkup, the "doctor" simply inserts a vaginal suppository in each girl, and that's it, no checkup of any kind. Just ask any girl what they do when they go to the "hygiene". I have no idea what the suppository is, but there is no magic pill, each disease needs targeted treatment: fungal, bacterial, etc, and I'm pretty sure it's not coming in a 1 pill form.The girls have to take the "hygiene" test every week. Some girls incorrectly calls it a pap smear.
I always thought / assumed they tested the urine for white blood cells. Your urine should not produce many WBC. If it is more than X part per million, you have an infection. It is very cheap to test your urine for the WBC count in Angeles. Men should have that tested if it hurts when you pee.
The girls know if you fail the hygiene test.
The girls get tested for HIV every 3 months. That test is supposed to be private; only management knows the results.
The bar on the bottom has a nice layout nice booths, would definitely pop into that one if it opens up.
I didn't like the layout of that bar. You kind of had 3 different stages. You couldn't see all the girls at once.
Old And Ugly
09-20-24, 00:01
The girls have to take the "hygiene" test every week. Some girls incorrectly calls it a pap smear.
I always thought / assumed they tested the urine for white blood cells. Your urine should not produce many WBC. If it is more than X part per million, you have an infection. It is very cheap to test your urine for the WBC count in Angeles. Men should have that tested if it hurts when you pee.
The girls know if you fail the hygiene test.
The girls get tested for HIV every 3 months. That test is supposed to be private; only management knows the results.Many years ago they were doing some sort of testing at the weekly "hygiene" but in the recent years all the girls that I "interrogated" revealed the same course of action: wash yourself with pussy wash, go and have the vaginal suppository inserted. The only way to fail is o a no show or a smelly pussy (therefore the pussy wash). No blood, no urine, no pap smear tests. Maybe some bars, that I didn't include in the polls take the girls to some other testing places where they do actual checkups, but the ones I asked they all go to some place south of fields ave.
Many years ago they were doing some sort of testing at the weekly "hygiene" but in the recent years all the girls that I "interrogated" revealed the same course of action: wash yourself with pussy wash, go and have the vaginal suppository inserted. The only way to fail is o a no show or a smelly pussy (therefore the pussy wash). No blood, no urine, no pap smear tests. Ya. I was thinking about it; it can't be a urine test. But it is a smear test to check for STD (the nurse "wipes" their pussies). Smelly pussy? How do I apply for that job. LOL!
I never heard of a gram stain test, until now:
https://www.sunstar.com.ph/more-articles/bar-girls-smear-tests-should-be-in-govt-agencies#google_vignette.
FuriousGeorge
09-20-24, 10:14
They should really test for bacteria via urine which would indicate chlamydia, gonorrhea, or basic vaginosis. I always thought they did. Either way it doesn't really matter nowadays. They should all be taking doxy after a session. And so should you. The medical community finally got on board with this and call it 'doxyPeP'. Take one doxycycline 100 pill after sex and that protects you at around an 80% rate. I've used this technique for years and never had anything.
Ya. I was thinking about it; it can't be a urine test. But it is a smear test to check for STD (the nurse "wipes" their pussies). Smelly pussy? How do I apply for that job. LOL!
I never heard of a gram stain test, until now:
https://www.sunstar.com.ph/more-articles/bar-girls-smear-tests-should-be-in-govt-agencies#google_vignette.
ThreeInches
09-20-24, 12:21
Smelly pussy? How do I apply for that job. LOL!
Sniff test?
The legitimacy of these tests certainly does come under some question of conflict of interest here. If this test is just a condition of their employment it seems like a "doctor" could literally be giving them the sniff test. The illegitimacy of these tests and there in the "racket" would be exposed if they allowed girls to pas that don't pass the sniff test. So ensuring that they are cleared of any liability and that visibly and things are in order is in the best interest of the doctor and the bar owners, passing as many girls as possible.
Its not surprising that there is rain most days / nights as its rainy season but it sure makes it unpleasant during the down pours to be out especially as the road is still a mess, yes we now have some concrete poured on both sides of the length of walking st to be able to walk but in many places that concrete does not marry up to the entrance of the bars leaving a muddy void, the road surface in the middle of the st has still to be laid and is a mess.
The whole town feels very quiet.
Hi Napa, after being there a month ago, the whole construction thing looked like an absolute shambles, as you mention.
The new Sabang waterfront has taken ages to construct, but considering third world construction processes, it's ended up okay and relatively nice compared to WS.
Angeles is just a mess in comparison.
As I've mentioned a few times here, Angeles is basically a shithole anyway, in my opinion.
My ex US military friends are just thankful they experienced the best of it back in the day.
Good news is, I still manage to have a great time in the Phils.
AC is just not my scene personally. I like to fuck by the water and enjoy my girl in a nice setting _ Which isn't AC, unless you lock yourself into a week stay at the Wild Orchid with their amazing pools.
Everyone has their own preferences _ Phil.
Sniff test?I was being sarcastic (my sense of humor not explained well). Obviously, there can't be such thing as a sniff test on whether a girl passes the hygiene test.
IMO, the hygiene test (and the HIV test) are legit. It is in the interest of most girls and bar owners to not let STDs spread. It is a good first line of defense (although not perfect).
A few years ago, Bad Boys (Korean owner) was closed due to health inspection problems (per sign on the door). I'm guessing not all the girls took the hygiene test, and the owner still let them work.
Old And Ugly
09-20-24, 23:13
I was being sarcastic (my sense of humor not explained well). Obviously, there can't be such thing as a sniff test on whether a girl passes the hygiene test.
IMO, the hygiene test (and the HIV test) are legit. It is in the interest of most girls and bar owners to not let STDs spread. It is a good first line of defense (although not perfect).
A few years ago, Bad Boys (Korean owner) was closed due to health inspection problems (per sign on the door). I'm guessing not all the girls took the hygiene test, and the owner still let them work.I would like to know more about this subject, because is important for all of us, so all of the forum fellows should casually ask their BF about the procedure and report back. But as far as I know they don't perform any kind of real std test on the girls. Also pumping yourself full of doxy every day as furiousgeorge suggested, it will make you resistant to antibiotics and kill your intestinal flora. Personally, I get up after each session and I go pee and wash even if I fell like sleeping or totally lazy, I only got sick once in my life, and it was in ac.
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