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KenjiYoshioka
09-20-24, 23:36
It is important to note that unless you follow the directions correctly you are contributing to the development of antibiotic resistant STD's. Nobody wants that shit; incurable gonorrhea or chlamydia. That shit makes me not want to go to AC at all. One 100 MG tablet of Doxycycline every three days, as prescribed. It's also probably a good idea to take PrEP. HIV is still real. FAFO.
I would like to know more about this subject, because is important for all of us, so all of the forum fellows should casually ask their BF about the procedure and report back. But as far as I know they don't perform any kind of real std test on the girls. Also pumping yourself full of doxy every day as furiousgeorge suggested, it will make you resistant to antibiotics and kill your intestinal flora. Personally, I get up after each session and I go pee and wash even if I fell like sleeping or totally lazy, I only got sick once in my life, and it was in ac.The hygiene test done by the bars are legit. Not by modern up to date standards. The swabs are swabbed on to glass slides and looked at under a microscope by technicians in the lab. Quite efficient with P500-600 per day personnel. They only need to spot a few different STD's and UTI.
No need to prep. Just go get a shot and 7 day supply of antibiotics before you go back home.
ThreeInches
09-21-24, 02:29
it will make you resistant to antibioticsUnless you are made up of bacteria you cannot become resistant to antibiotics. No one should abstain from taking antibiotics "for the greater good" if they know what STI they have and are taking it for that reason. I would argue that walking around with a full blown untreated infection is far more dangerous to our community than someone who gets rid of it regularly. Even then the "resistant" part of this argument is moot in such a small population it is statistically insignificant.
FuriousGeorge
09-21-24, 03:59
It is very unlikely to make you resistant. Doxy is one of them can be taken fairly regularly, as needed. People take it for months at a time for acne. Again, google DoxyPep. I just did it, and the first rec was from John Hopkins. Read the article. The CDC recommends it now to reduce STIs. Taking it daily while you are on a gaddam sex vacation is highly recommended.
I would like to know more about this subject, because is important for all of us, so all of the forum fellows should casually ask their BF about the procedure and report back. But as far as I know they don't perform any kind of real std test on the girls. Also pumping yourself full of doxy every day as furiousgeorge suggested, it will make you resistant to antibiotics and kill your intestinal flora. Personally, I get up after each session and I go pee and wash even if I fell like sleeping or totally lazy, I only got sick once in my life, and it was in ac.
WestCoast1
09-21-24, 04:41
It is very unlikely to make you resistant. Doxy is one of them can be taken fairly regularly, as needed. People take it for months at a time for acne. Again, google DoxyPep. I just did it, and the first rec was from John Hopkins. Read the article. The CDC recommends it now to reduce STIs. Taking it daily while you are on a gaddam sex vacation is highly recommended."Take two aspirin, one hoe, and a doxy. And call me in the morning".
ThreeInches
09-21-24, 05:31
Taking it daily while you are on a gaddam sex vacation is highly recommended.Parasitic infections are common in the Philippines and are not receptive to doxy so you need to find out what you have and treat it with the proper meds. Just as big of a mistake to think that you took care of it and let it mature imo.
ThreeInches
09-21-24, 05:34
Again, google DoxyPep. Recommended for gay men who have anal sex? Nothing about straight men.
From Dr. Google:
Who it's for.
Men who have sex with men (MSM).
ThreeInches
09-21-24, 05:43
It is very unlikely to make you resistant. Doxy is one of them can be taken fairly regularly, as needed. People take it for months at a time for acne. Again, google DoxyPep. I just did it, and the first rec was from John Hopkins. Read the article. The CDC recommends it now to reduce STIs. Taking it daily while you are on a gaddam sex vacation is highly recommended.Yes, there is insufficient evidence to support the use of DoxyPEP for cisgender men who are heterosexual. DoxyPEP, or Doxycycline Postexposure Prophylaxis, has only been shown to be effective for gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men, and transgender women who are at a higher risk of STIs.
No recommendation can be given at this time on the use of doxy PEP for cisgender women, cisgender heterosexual men, transgender men, and other queer and nonbinary persons.
Evidence is insufficient to assess the balance of benefits and harms of the use of doxy PEP.
https://www.cdc.gov/sti/hcp/doxy-pep/index.html#text=Effectiveness%20 of%20 doxy%20 PEP%20 for, for%20 whom%20 CDC%20 recommends%20 counseling.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/rr/rr7302a1.htm
They should really test for bacteria via urine which would indicate chlamydia, gonorrhea, or basic vaginosis. I always thought they did. Either way it doesn't really matter nowadays. They should all be taking doxy after a session. And so should you. The medical community finally got on board with this and call it 'doxyPeP'. Take one doxycycline 100 pill after sex and that protects you at around an 80% rate. I've used this technique for years and never had anything.Then why can't take that 100 MG Doxy one hour before the session. It can act as a prophylactic dose.
"Take two aspirin, one hoe, and a doxy. And call me in the morning".He he. Better both the parties have it together for mutual prophylaxis and start action after a beer.
Expat American
09-21-24, 07:00
Then why can't take that 100 MG Doxy one hour before the session. It can act as a prophylactic dose.I take one 100 MG Doxy per day for my mongering trips. Research data shows its effective. Also its a safe antibiotic for long term use as its been used a anti malarial prophylactic for many years. Been working for me. Before I used to do 1 g Azithromycin at the end of a trip. Now I switched to Doxy because I read that its more effective.
FuriousGeorge
09-21-24, 08:28
What do you think Doxy treats? BACTERIAL INFECTIONS. Look up what it treats. Are these bacterial infections that it treats exclusive to gay men? Come on. Yes I have been to the Abbey in West Hollywood and the advert posters are certainly targeting the gay population because they are more reckless. But the CDC recommends it for all people.
Yes, there is insufficient evidence to support the use of DoxyPEP for cisgender men who are heterosexual. DoxyPEP, or Doxycycline Postexposure Prophylaxis, has only been shown to be effective for gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men, and transgender women who are at a higher risk of STIs.
No recommendation can be given at this time on the use of doxy PEP for cisgender women, cisgender heterosexual men, transgender men, and other queer and nonbinary persons.
Evidence is insufficient to assess the balance of benefits and harms of the use of doxy PEP.
https://www.cdc.gov/sti/hcp/doxy-pep/index.html#text=Effectiveness%20 of%20 doxy%20 PEP%20 for, for%20 whom%20 CDC%20 recommends%20 counseling.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/rr/rr7302a1.htm
I've been in this hobby for about ten years and been with more women than I can remember. Other than women I was in long-term relationships with, I used a condom for vaginal sex (but never oral sex) with all but four women. I never got a std when I was using a condom. I got chlamydia and gonorrhea from an AMP worker in the US who really got into the table shower session and just jumped on me, and chlamydia from a long-term partner when we first got together.
Here is my lesson: these diseases are real and they are out there. There are pros and cons of taking doxycycline as a form of prep. Any antibiotic will wreck havoc to your gut biome, especially if taken long-term. That's why it gives you diarrhea. The safest bet is to use a condom unless you and your partner have a recent test. There are horror stories out there of drug resistant bacteria, but it isn't as common as it seems. It all really comes down to what risks you are willing to take. I like creampies as much as the next guy, but I'the rather stay healthy and enjoy BBFS with the two women I'm building a life with and keep them healthy as well and not worry about that.
That said, most Filipinas have an aversion to condoms. I've only been with one that insisted on using a condom. Most are adverse to using it, and one even removed it while we were fucking without me noticing and claimed later it was because she wanted to feel me closer inside. It's hot as hell, to be honest, but not what I wanted before being with my wife.
I've been in this hobby for about ten years and been with more women than I can remember. Other than women I was in long-term relationships with, I used a condom for vaginal sex (but never oral sex) with all but four women. I never got a std when I was using a condom. I got chlamydia and gonorrhea from an AMP worker in the US who really got into the table shower session and just jumped on me, and chlamydia from a long-term partner when we first got together.
Thanks Aml and the other guys for a discussion that is often overlooked.
I suppose everyone's situation is different and how well we know our girls and what they get up to when we're not around.
This is only my experience, but a friend who recently tried her luck working in AC took me for a walk past her check-up clinic, and from what she said, it was "like a factory" and just a process.
As for me, I'm fit and fifty and on a few drugs due to a leg operation a year ago and have to be careful what I mix with them. Vitamin V was actually prescribed to lower the blood pressure at one stage. Although I found it pretty amazing, it's no longer required, but I'd advise getting advice if you're mixing drugs.
Personally, I've never heard of Doxy, so thanks guys.
The issue of STD's has been around long before the AIDS crisis years ago and will continue to do so.
I think many older guys just think "Fuck it, I'm having the time of my life and we'll deal with that shit if it happens".
But it's one thing definitely to keep mindful of.
P.S. The pic is from a blow bar way back from when the US Clark Base was still about and it's still hanging in the old Flaming Bar today.
_ Phil.
FuriousGeorge
09-21-24, 20:51
The safest bet is to use a condom unless you and your partner have a recent test. This is true. But life is risk / reward. I hate condoms and I'd rather not even have sex than use one. Hell a nice lubed handjob feels better to me. For me the risk is worth the reward, especially if I can mitigate it up to 80% via pharmaceuticals. I've barebacked over 100 Philippina bargirls and civvies using the technique described and never gotten anything. Anecdotal I know. Everyone is different so as always fellas, you do you.
On another note, I saw on youtube ChubsDubC was talking to a guy from the city who claimed that the unfinished gap down the middle of walking street will get concrete poured up to the level of the two new sidewalks and the whole street will be walking only, no cars. This seems weird since I thought it was going to be one-way traffic, and bars / restaurants need deliveries. There are even cut out gaps in the sidewalks that I assumed were for ramps up. I guess we'll see.
Old And Ugly
09-21-24, 21:21
One of my best friends is a top infectionist in the us, the only time I got sick, and I called him he sent me to the lab to get tested because he said there are a few different diseases with the same symptoms and different treatments and they are not substitutes for each other. He said the only way to go for a non diagnosed empiric treatment, will be to take all of them at once, and he doesn't recommend that at all. After visiting a clinic, I ended up getting treated with something totally different: a single shot injection with something similar to the old penicillin.
In regards to the threeinches response:
Yes I know we're not made up of bacteria (only few trillions in the gut), was just a way of simplifying what I was saying.
By "greater good" I wasn't in any way, not even remotely referring to the doxycycline treatment, or to abstain from taking antibiotics, but to finding out more about what's going on at the weekly hygiene control, to be better informed.
to finding out more about what's going on at the weekly hygiene control, to be better informed.According to the article from the SunStar Philippines (https://www.sunstar.com.ph/more-articles/bar-girls-smear-tests-should-be-in-govt-agencies), the following was stated: "ANGELES CITY -- Bar owners are required to have their women employees regularly subjected to gram staining or smear test to be conducted by government health agencies. ".
Google "gram stain".
It states it checks for bacterial infections.
According to the article from the SunStar Philippines (https://www.sunstar.com.ph/more-articles/bar-girls-smear-tests-should-be-in-govt-agencies), the following was stated: "ANGELES CITY -- Bar owners are required to have their women employees regularly subjected to gram staining or smear test to be conducted by government health agencies. ".
Google "gram stain".
It states it checks for bacterial infections.That is an article that is 10 years old.
That is what is supposed to happen. At the same time, the law also says no barfines allowed.
So if you believe the law is enforced, there are no barfines allowed in bars because there is no prostitution permitted.
Or do you believe that one part of the law is strictly followed and enforced and the other is just ignored.
Or perhaps both parts are generally ignored which would be more consistent.
...... I'd rather not even have sex than use one.......I'd rather CFS than jerking off any day.
According to the article from the SunStar Philippines (https://www.sunstar.com.ph/more-articles/bar-girls-smear-tests-should-be-in-govt-agencies), the following was stated: "ANGELES CITY -- Bar owners are required to have their women employees regularly subjected to gram staining or smear test to be conducted by government health agencies. ".
Google "gram stain".
It states it checks for bacterial infections.Unrelated to this thread as I've never been to Angeles but in Manila / Makati met some girls that say to get their license to work they need to pass a blood test.
WestCoast1
09-22-24, 03:28
I'd rather CFS than jerking off any day.Yuck. I'm with FG. One reason I settled into Phils was the girl's desire not to have a condom. Someone once said: "Using a condom is like chewing candy with the wrapper on it. You can't get the full flavor or texture". Reasonable minds can disagree. And I still find my hand to be hot.
Unrelated to this thread as I've never been to Angeles but in Manila / Makati met some girls that say to get their license to work they need to pass a blood test.KK: Of importance, regarding these Manila / Makati girls, are several items:
1/ Gogo girls?
2/ Timeframe: Before / after covid?
in Manila / Makati met some girls that say to get their license to work they need to pass a blood test.Assuming it was for HIV. Wondering if it test for everything. And how often.
In Angeles, I was told the girls get tested for HIV every 3 months.
I am assuming they get tested for HIV when they get their initial license. But I never asked. But I know they get tested for their virginity. I saw a big "V" on their paperwork. I'm not sure how that is related to STDs. I guess it's so that guys can pay between 50 K to 100 K for their cherries. LOL!
And I still find my hand to be hot.
I don't think I want to meet her! LOL!
FuriousGeorge
09-22-24, 06:51
Yuck. I'm with FG. One reason I settled into Phils was the girl's desire not to have a condom. Someone once said: "Using a condom is like chewing candy with the wrapper on it. You can't get the full flavor or texture". Reasonable minds can disagree. And I still find my hand to be hot.
Ha that's a good one. The best one I ever heard was 'It's like petting a cat with a rubber glove on'. Damn if that doesn't capture it. Also I said handjob. A skilled handjob by a talented woman who takes pride in it is elite. Also I've found you can teach a girl to give a good HJ much easier than teaching her how to give a good BJ if she's bad at it.
WestCoast1
09-22-24, 07:44
And I still find my hand to be hot.
I don't think I want to meet her! LOL!Now that I think about it, it seems like its been with me. . . Forever.
Old And Ugly
09-22-24, 09:44
According to the article from the SunStar Philippines (https://www.sunstar.com.ph/more-articles/bar-girls-smear-tests-should-be-in-govt-agencies), the following was stated: "ANGELES CITY -- Bar owners are required to have their women employees regularly subjected to gram staining or smear test to be conducted by government health agencies. ".
Google "gram stain".
It states it checks for bacterial infections.Yes, yes, yes it says in the paper, but we need to know more about the reality, this is why I'm saying: ask the girls whenever the occasion arises, what specifically are they doing when they are going to the mandatory hygiene tests. I don't trust the press in the west, and the one in the philippines even less.
It is possible that the girls do a real check up when they get the initial health card, but not consequently after that.
That is an article that is 10 years old.Yes. Correct; I saw that. Do you think it changed. They still do the smear test (wipe or insert into the pussy and test).
I guess the "gram stain" could have changed. From your friend's STI knowledge, is there a new test. I have no idea (I haven't researched those things).
I don't trust the press in the west, and the one in the philippines even less.
It is possible that the girls do a real check up when they get the initial health card, but not consequently after that.Are you one of those people. Read between the lines.
All the girls (including staff) say the girlie dancers do hygiene. You see portable labs near Walking Street. Hope you are not like the resident idiot (fake moron) that writes all that is fake due to the corruption of City Hall.
It is possible that the girls bribe the testers (dumb speculation), or the bar owners bribe city hall (possible, more so, IMO, if you are Korean, who are more in tune with 3rd world politics). Note: It is ILLEGAL for Americans to play the local game and bribe.
So if you believe the law is enforced, there are no barfines allowed in bars because there is no prostitution permitted.
Or do you believe that one part of the law is strictly followed and enforced and the other is just ignored.Yes. TIA. How ignorant are your.
It should be same as before. The girls are Guest Relations Officers (GRO). The barfines (I am still assuming it is illegal, and it was previousy called EWR-Early Work Release) are still being offered.
ask the girls whenever the occasion arises, what specifically are they doing when they are going to the mandatory hygiene tests.
Oh Geez! You want to ask the Pinays. Most of them are soooo ignorant. The girls were never given sex education during school. Some of them think that swallowing can get them pregnant.
...... And I still find my hand to be hot.....LOL!! My hand's too masculine; I'll let a softer hand do the job just before boinking. LOL.
Ha that's a good one. The best one I ever heard was 'It's like petting a cat with a rubber glove on'. Damn if that doesn't capture it. Also I said handjob. A skilled handjob by a talented woman who takes pride in it is elite. Also I've found you can teach a girl to give a good HJ much easier than teaching her how to give a good BJ if she's bad at it.Absolutely agree FG.
Most girls think a hand job is like handling a machine gun.
You have to educate them that low and slow can be the best alternative.
_ Phil.
Paid a visit to WS a few days ago. Seemed pretty slow for a Friday. Probably the weather as the trike driver said it was raining all day.
XS was semi busy but still had lots of girls. No issue getting good seats downstairs. Viking also semi busy.
Here's a pick around 10:30 pm of WS.
Old And Ugly
09-22-24, 19:31
Yes. Correct; I saw that. Do you think it changed. They still do the smear test (wipe or insert into the pussy and test).
I guess the "gram stain" could have changed. From your friend's STI knowledge, is there a new test. I have no idea (I haven't researched those things).
Are you one of those people. Read between the lines.
All the girls (including staff) say the girlie dancers do hygiene. You see portable labs near Walking Street. Hope you are not like the resident idiot (fake moron) that writes all that is fake due to the corruption of City Hall.
It is possible that the girls bribe the testers (dumb speculation), or the bar owners bribe city hall (possible, more so, IMO, if you are Korean, who are more in tune with 3rd world politics). Note: It is ILLEGAL for Americans to play the local game and bribe.
Yes. TIA. How ignorant are your.
It should be same as before. The girls are Guest Relations Officers (GRO). The barfines (I am still assuming it is illegal, and it was previousy called EWR-Early Work Release) are still being offered.
Oh Geez! You want to ask the Pinays. Most of them are soooo ignorant. The girls were never given sex education during school. Some of them think that swallowing can get them pregnant.I'm just going to give up on this, is not going nowhere, all I said is please ask the girls what exactly are they doing at the test site, in simple words: do they smear your pussy, the "doctor" just puts a suppository in, is there blood drawn, etc. Of course they don't know what tests are done if there are any. The ones I asked told me that the only thing that happens there is the simple insertion of a suppository in the vagina, and one of them which was living with me for a few months, and working as a waitress in one of the bars was a pharmacy student, and was more educated than me on the matter. For many years I had a false sense of "partial" security knowing that they get checked once a week, until last year when she told me that, and subsequently I asked a few others and I got the same answer. So, I'm not arguing what is or what is not happening at the checkup, I just want to know more, and probably other do too. I don't know in what category of people I fit in, but I don't care much about politics, news, and other stuff that's happening on the other side of the ocean, I gave up on it many years ago, that's why I moved away from all of it.
NapaSlapper
09-23-24, 02:51
Yes, yes, yes it says in the paper, but we need to know more about the reality, this is why I'm saying: ask the girls whenever the occasion arises, what specifically are they doing when they are going to the mandatory hygiene tests. I don't trust the press in the west, and the one in the philippines even less.
It is possible that the girls do a real check up when they get the initial health card, but not consequently after that.Have to say you are on the button and fairly correct in your assumptions.
The reality is that no meaningful tests Are carried out at the girls hygiene visits, why, hygiene visits cost the bar all of 30 peso a time, a full blood test including a hiv test in any angeles clinic / hospital is 2-3,000 peso a time, that simple fact should answer all questions about what is being done at hygiene.
Have asked many angeles bar owner friends about hygiene and what's checked, answer, always wear a condom is their answer as nothing is checked, on pressing further and asking do girls get checked for hiv on employment the bar owners normally spit their beer out laughing at the stupid suggestion.
On the occasions I have been with bar girls that needed to attend hygiene then they were in and out within couple of minutes, absolutely no mention of anything else being done except a smear sample, claims by our resident troll of girls being tested for hiv every 3 months is just fantasy at best, bars are struggling to keep the lights on and pay the staff let alone paying 100's of thousands of peso for blood tests / hiv tests regularly.
TravelToLove
09-23-24, 09:41
Got called disgusting pervert by angry indian dude yesterday for buying drinks for two "young" girls. He was with white ugly girl and they were drinking orange juice.
KenjiYoshioka
09-23-24, 20:24
Got called disgusting pervert by angry indian dude yesterday for buying drinks for two "young" girls. He was with white ugly girl and they were drinking orange juice.. . But haters going to hate. He's mad that he's a broke dick mufukka. At least you are a disgusting pervert with good taste!
KenjiYoshioka
09-23-24, 20:27
Have to say you are on the button and fairly correct in your assumptions.
The reality is that no meaningful tests Are carried out at the girls hygiene visits, why, hygiene visits cost the bar all of 30 peso a time, a full blood test including a hiv test in any angeles clinic / hospital is 2-3,000 peso a time, that simple fact should answer all questions about what is being done at hygiene.
Have asked many angeles bar owner friends about hygiene and what's checked, answer, always wear a condom is their answer as nothing is checked, on pressing further and asking do girls get checked for hiv on employment the bar owners normally spit their beer out laughing at the stupid suggestion.
On the occasions I have been with bar girls that needed to attend hygiene then they were in and out within couple of minutes, absolutely no mention of anything else being done except a smear sample, claims by our resident troll of girls being tested for hiv every 3 months is just fantasy at best, bars are struggling to keep the lights on and pay the staff let alone paying 100's of thousands of peso for blood tests / hiv tests regularly.But why don't they just mandate that the girls get tested. If they're pulling in 3 k php a night, they can afford to spend 3 k php every 3 months. In their line of work it's the cost of doing business. Otherwise forget going bareback in AC.
The reality is that no meaningful tests Are carried out at the girls hygiene visits, why, hygiene visits cost the bar all of 30 peso a time, a full blood test including a hiv test in any angeles clinic / hospital is 2-3,000 peso a time, that simple fact should answer all questions about what is being done at hygiene.Besides being a fake, you have no comprehension or understanding what was written. Only a "smear" is performed at the hygiene test. No one has written that a HIV test is performed at the weekly hygiene test.
Nobody has written that a full blood test is performed. From my understanding, a HIV test is performed every 3 months. Is that required, or optional? Is that correct/incorrect? Someone else should answer that question. LOL!
On the occasions I have been with bar girls that needed to attend hygiene then they were in and out within couple of minutes, absolutely no mention of anything else being done except a smear sample,Isn't that what I wrote. So ignorant!
XS bar remains about the only angeles bar that one could call fairly busy these last bar hops
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All bars visited sml punter beer was priced between 150-180 pesos,Again, so many errors. SML at XS is 140 pesos.
Which bars charge 180 pesos? There probably is a bar that charges that price. But, of course, you can't answer that question.
The 10 or so different bars I went to charged 120, 130, 140, 150, and 200 for an SML. There might have been 1 bar that charged 180 for a coke zero; so the SML might have been that price.
Barfines (if one can actually get the princess to accept such) is 6,000 peso for the ok looking girls and 5,000 peso for the not ok looking girls.Besides XS and Avalon, which bar has 6 K barfines? Yup, you can't answer that question. You are not there right now.
Besides XS and Avalon for the black taped models, are you saying barfines can change between 5 K and 6 K? Which bars? Yup, no answer because of your ignorance.
Old And Ugly
09-23-24, 23:09
Got called disgusting pervert by angry indian dude yesterday for buying drinks for two "young" girls. He was with white ugly girl and they were drinking orange juice.I would say being called something like that it's a badge of honor.
Besides being a fake, you have no comprehension or understanding what was written. Only a "smear" is performed at the hygiene test. No one has written that a HIV test is performed at the weekly hygiene test.
Nobody has written that a full blood test is performed. From my understanding, a HIV test is performed every 3 months. Is that required, or optional? Is that correct/incorrect? Someone else should answer that question. LOL!
Isn't that what I wrote. So ignorant!
Again, so many errors. SML at XS is 140 pesos.
Which bars charge 180 pesos? There probably is a bar that charges that price. But, of course, you can't answer that question.
The 10 or so different bars I went to charged 120, 130, 140, 150, and 200 for an SML. There might have been 1 bar that charged 180 for a coke zero; so the SML might have been that price.
Besides XS and Avalon, which bar has 6 K barfines? Yup, you can't answer that question. You are not there right now.
Besides XS and Avalon for the black taped models, are you saying barfines can change between 5 K and 6 K? Which bars? Yup, no answer because of your ignorance.Resident Nay Sayer was and is still confused with smear swab, he consistently swears it is a PAP Smear test! Smear swab takes seconds per girl. Either it is done at the bar on a certain morning of the week or done at a local lab contracted by the bar. Many girls are embarrassed that some cum might drip out during the swabbing! LOL.
Many bars have barfines below 5-6 k.
BTW, most girls will not even quote a BF price to you if you are consistently coming in and not barfining. They might even suspect you as an Agent!
Green Bud keep up the front line reports.
Pussycat123
09-24-24, 05:42
The girls have a blood test for HIV and chest X ray for TB when they intially get their license. Then once a year at their annual renewal. They have a weekly "smear" test which I think is a swab test on their pussy for common bacterial infections. If they test positive they are given antibiotics. I was told if they test positive three weeks straight they are asked to stop work. The "Hygiene" clinic is on Surla St near One Euphoria.
Bear in mind though that many girls in Angeles are working in the bars with no license hence no tests.
Pussycat123
09-24-24, 06:13
Got called disgusting pervert by angry indian dude yesterday for buying drinks for two "young" girls. He was with white ugly girl and they were drinking orange juice.In Angeles? Where?
Pussycat123
09-24-24, 06:23
Yuck. I'm with FG. One reason I settled into Phils was the girl's desire not to have a condom. Someone once said: "Using a condom is like chewing candy with the wrapper on it. It was former Philippines President Duterte who said this. And then people wonder why the country is so fucked up.
Pussycat123
09-24-24, 06:32
My and my drinking buddies experiences of madonna bar is what I stated in my last bar report, we did not pay 200 peso for beers or get quoted 7 and 9,000 peso for barfines or 450 peso for lady drinks of which we bought many and also paid bar fines.
For the last time greenbud, Qbar is korean oriented, in as much as it has all asian customers, it caters to the asians 100%,the girls are dressed up to cater to asians, they will only barfine with asians so I'm completely correct in stating QBar is korean oriented, end of story.
I barfined in Madonna in July. They have two classes of girls "Angels" for 5 k and "Supermodels" for 7 k. I barfined an Angel for 5 k and was required to buy one ladies drink which cost 400 pesos.
Regarding Qbar, I wonder if you are mistaken. I was in there two weeks ago and barfined from there, the girls were wearing T backs and bikinis and the majority of the customers were westeners. I don't know who owns the bar (Korean or western) but for sure the girls are not "dressed up to cater to asians" (i.e in long dresses). Nor will they "only barfine with asians": I am white as rice and I barfined in there no problem.
ThreeInches
09-24-24, 06:55
And then people wonder why the country is so fucked up.Who wonders this? Fix some other country.
LoveItHere69
09-24-24, 08:10
I barfined an Angel for 5 k and was required to buy one ladies drink which cost 400 pesos.
Wow. Just thinking that a $7 USD interview drink can add up quickly during a 2 week vacation. Just the Cheap Charlie in me thinking out loud.
FuriousGeorge
09-24-24, 08:11
Effed up? It's why we go there. If in fact he did say this he garnered more tourism income for his country than any president ever.
It was former Philippines President Duterte who said this. And then people wonder why the country is so fucked up.
ThreeInches
09-24-24, 09:50
Otherwise forget going bareback in AC.Smh, worst advice in AC history.
WestCoast1
09-25-24, 00:15
But why don't they just mandate that the girls get tested. If they're pulling in 3 k php a night, they can afford to spend 3 k php every 3 months. In their line of work it's the cost of doing business. Otherwise forget going bareback in AC.This sounds very academic, and logical. But, little of that actually occurs in Phils.
KenjiYoshioka
09-25-24, 01:28
Smh, worst advice in AC history.You do you. As for myself, if the owners of the girly bars in AC say don't go bareback with none of the bitches, I'm not going bareback with none of them hoes. It's like Snoop said, "Ain't no pussy good enough to get burnt while I'm up in it. " There's plenty of chicks with lower STD rates that I'd feel comfortable rawdogging in the PI. Just probably none of them are working in AC.
KenjiYoshioka
09-25-24, 01:31
This sounds very academic, and logical. But, little of that actually occurs in Phils.And indeed in the rest of the world. And I'm sure the bottom line is that nobody is enforcing something like this because it doesn't make anyone with money any more money. See'est la vie.
Got called disgusting pervert by angry indian dude yesterday for buying drinks for two "young" girls. He was with white ugly girl and they were drinking orange juice.The nerve. You got to do a lot worse to be a disgusting pervert. He was prolly jealous.
Expat American
09-25-24, 06:35
This sounds very academic, and logical. But, little of that actually occurs in Phils.So how will testing every 3 months make you feel safe when the girl is fucking multiple guys a day, mostly bareback? There is no real way to avoid the risk. If you go BBFS there is always going to be some risk. You can mitigate with doxy / PreP but other than that, if you are worried better to just wrap up.
So how will testing every 3 months make you feel safe when the girl is fucking multiple guys a day, mostly bareback? There is no real way to avoid the risk. If you go BBFS there is always going to be some risk. You can mitigate with doxy / PreP but other than that, if you are worried better to just wrap up.He seemed to be referencing the bit about it seeming logical that bar girls earning decent money would have savings to do a test every three months. We all know that is not the case, there is little to no financial planning here, no rainy day pots. People live cheque to cheque (or donation to donation).
Totally agree with all you said, just not who it was directed at. Unless you're with a girl for days before test, and days after, without banging her, fairly pointless. Even then, on journey home to pickup supplies etc she could have bent over for local partner.
So how will testing every 3 months make you feel safe when the girl is fucking multiple guys a day, mostly bareback? There is no real way to avoid the risk. If you go BBFS there is always going to be some risk. You can mitigate with doxy / PreP but other than that, if you are worried better to just wrap up.I think that is the point that needs to be emphasized. There is a risk of catching STDs when barebacking in Angeles City. You have girls banging multiple guys per week bareback. The guys are banging multiple girls per week bareback. Some of the guys are coming from other countries where they have been backbacking multiple girls per week. It just takes one girl or one guy to have an STD to spread it around. One girl can give it to 7 guys in a week and those 7 guys can spread it to a large number of girls that week and the STD cycle spreads rapidly. That is a reality.
Not trying to scare anyone. Just saying that there is a real risk of catching something and you have to aware of the risks if you have a girlfriend or wife back home. If you give her something, there is going to be problems for you. That has always been my fear when I was married but I don't have that problem anymore now.
I personally have caught STDs in Angeles City and so have my friends. It is just part of the game. You may get lucky for a while but in the long run, you will likely catch something.
KenjiYoshioka
09-25-24, 20:03
So how will testing every 3 months make you feel safe when the girl is fucking multiple guys a day, mostly bareback? There is no real way to avoid the risk. If you go BBFS there is always going to be some risk. You can mitigate with doxy / PreP but other than that, if you are worried better to just wrap up.My point exactly.
Guys, I don't want to downplay STD's. Society has shamed STD's for so long. Maybe religious organizations have used it to keep everyone virgins and celibate. It is a contagious infection by sexual contact. Treatable by simple antibiotics. Simple as that. Should be no shame in it. Get it treated and move on. Taking precautions and wrapping it up is an individual choice.
Plenty of walk in clinics in AC for treatment. Walk in with your head high and clearly state you have an infection.
Of course there are more serious HIV and antibiotic resistant ones.
Pussycat123
09-26-24, 05:54
Who wonders this? Fix some other country.I wonder. I'm very concerned about Philippines infrastructure, GDP and Global Warming Potential.
I've seen a similar situation, on a smaller scale, back home in the plentiful AMPS. Many of the women, especially 30 years old and higher, are known for bbfscip. Every few weeks they will "go on vacation" for a couple of weeks. In general, I don't bareback sex workers because the volume of people they see is high. The first time I did, she told me she was going back to LA in three weeks. I saw on a forum two days later mamasan said she was on vacation and would be back in two weeks. Later that week, I had to see a doctor and get antibiotics. You do the math.
But like someone said, almost anything is treatable with antibiotics, even with the more resistant strains out there now. And HIV transmission isn't impossible from vaginal sex, but is highly improbable. If I was on vacation and not seeing my wife soon after, I'the play it up for a week and then get treated for sure.
Old And Ugly
09-26-24, 10:30
I've seen a similar situation, on a smaller scale, back home in the plentiful AMPS. Many of the women, especially 30 years old and higher, are known for bbfscip. Every few weeks they will "go on vacation" for a couple of weeks. In general, I don't bareback sex workers because the volume of people they see is high. The first time I did, she told me she was going back to LA in three weeks. I saw on a forum two days later mamasan said she was on vacation and would be back in two weeks. Later that week, I had to see a doctor and get antibiotics. You do the math.
But like someone said, almost anything is treatable with antibiotics, even with the more resistant strains out there now. And HIV transmission isn't impossible from vaginal sex, but is highly improbable. If I was on vacation and not seeing my wife soon after, I'the play it up for a week and then get treated for sure.Don't forget herpes!
TwentyTwoTwos
09-28-24, 16:42
Anyone ever had an experience dating both sisters? How would you approach to achieve this?
Old And Ugly
09-29-24, 00:48
Anyone ever had an experience dating both sisters? How would you approach to achieve this?I did it twice. I barfined 2 sisters from 123 multiple times, and also 2 sisters from Avalon, it worked ok in both cases, but no interaction between the sisters, and they were happy to go together, no shame, and no holdbacks.
KenjiYoshioka
09-29-24, 01:44
Anyone ever had an experience dating both sisters? How would you approach to achieve this?. . This works best with twin sisters. Twins have a special bond and form of communication. If one is attracted to you, likely the other one is too. It can work with sisters who aren't twins, but that's harder and requires more effort. That's like dating any two normal girls, except for sure 110% they tell each other everything about you.
Anyone ever had an experience dating both sisters? How would you approach to achieve this?Not very hard. Too many to count.
The opening bar has moved to trips. 3 sisters. Then add in a few cousins for a full hand. Mother and daughter is All in the Family.
LoveItHere69
09-29-24, 06:33
Could be you? So many guys think they are having 2 sisters because the girls look alike. The girls say they are sisters because they learned guys are suckers for sisters and they saw how excited the guy got when she said the magical word "sisters" at the bar. It is a great way for them to double their money while working half as hard. My buddy and I look very similar and the girls ask if we are brothers and we just say yes because it was easier than arguing we were not. Even checking IDs is iffy because so many cousins with the same last names. Hell there are tons of non-related girls with the same last names. Check their phones and have them show you their mommy's phone number and see if the phone numbers match. I have been with 3 sets of sisters and I know for a fact because they were identical. One small facial mole on one set. Another set the one girl had slightly shorter hair and colored redish.
NapaSlapper
09-29-24, 11:00
Whats the latest angeles news, barhop findings.
Atlantis bar, fairly quiet like most bars,20 odd girls, some fat, some plain and some old, two barely ok looking girls, both sitting with three asians having drinks, said asians were also busy making it rain and generally throwing money around like money is going out of fashion, various punter drinks purchased by our group ranging from 140 peso to 180 peso, lady drinks 350 peso.
Gold moon bar, this is a fairly large bar, its korean oriented as in all asian punters on my many visits, was very quiet for punters, about 15-18 girls, there is 3 ok looking girls working here (drinks only girls) other girls were in honesty rough, 1 drink and left.
Monsoon bar, was also very quiet here on our visit, 2 or 3 customers and very few girls, bought only the one punter drink each and no lady drinks as girls were not to our liking (mostly fat and old) moved on.
Madonna bar, stayed for a few punters drinks and bought a fair few lady drinks, about 25 girls, some pretty and slim but most not.
Madonna bar Lady drinks 350 peso, barfine for the slightly better looking black dress girls was 6,000 peso, these are the official prices quoted to both myself and friends for drinks and girls in over 10 visits to this bar by management, girls and mamas.
Bar nana, a korean run bar, its fairly small, 10 odd girls, 2 korean customers, no westerners, have given this bar a few chances over several months, won't be back in all honesty.
XS bar, as many and myself have said on many bar hop reports this bar is the shining star in all of angeles walking st by a long long way, has the most pretty, slim and younger girls, the dance shows can only be described as excellent, the korean management are super friendly, they try to accomodate good seats to regulars and always comp the 1st drinks on the house, obviously its a korean oriented bar but all are welcome as long as they look sane and clean, maybe a good idea for westerners that want to be entertained in a higher class bar to bring their own girl from another bar / online as girls here tend to only give attention and drink with asian punters.
Bars popped our head into but never stayed for a drink due to too many fuglies and fatties on stage were, lollipop bar, geckos bar, champagne 1 bar, masquarade bar (all western oriented).
In summing up, I can only give my views and prices that were paid by both me and many drinking friend for punter drinks bought, lady drink bought and barfines, yes its fully possible that bars, girls, mamas or anyone else involved might quote higher prices to the simpletons or clueless punters of this world, if one is being regularly charged more than most punters or the priceses I have quoted then maybe looking at ones self for the answers why is in order.
Angeles has become over the last few years a destination that is basically korean oriented, the few better looking girls flock to the asian every time, many girls will only give attention to asians, only drink with asians and definately only barfine with asians, for a westerner to get laid one has to drink in the western bars where the mainly fat, old, ugly girls work, angeles too is getting more expensive by the day, hotels, food, drinks, girls, flights are up by a fair margin over the recent past, to top it all off very few girls in angeles are young slim or attractive, those that are are basically drinks only girls, virgins or asian only girls.
NapaSlapper
09-29-24, 15:11
Could be you? So many guys think they are having 2 sisters because the girls look alike. The girls say they are sisters because they learned guys are suckers for sisters and they saw how excited the guy got when she said the magical word "sisters" at the bar. It is a great way for them to double their money while working half as hard. My buddy and I look very similar and the girls ask if we are brothers and we just say yes because it was easier than arguing we were not. Even checking IDs is iffy because so many cousins with the same last names. Hell there are tons of non-related girls with the same last names. Check their phones and have them show you their mommy's phone number and see if the phone numbers match. I have been with 3 sets of sisters and I know for a fact because they were identical. One small facial mole on one set. Another set the one girl had slightly shorter hair and colored redish.Have to fully agree that many girls in Angeles say / lie that they are sisters or cousins, mother and daughter in order to cash in on the simple folk who think with their little head instead of their big head.
Have to be honest and say that most Angeles threesomes / foursomes (all girls and me) were rather disappointing, mostly girls not into each other.
Best threesomes were definitely with western girls (especially Russian girls) that had nothing to do with pros / payment and of course girls that were lesbians but wanted to experiment with a male as well.
Old And Ugly
09-29-24, 19:53
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Bars popped our head into but never stayed for a drink due to too many fuglies and fatties on stage were, lollipop bar, geckos bar, champagne 1 bar, masquarade bar (all western oriented).
...............I don't know what other people standards are, but mine is the Victoria's Secret type, and the bar closest to that is Lollipop, and on top of that is the only bar where is a party every night, girls and customers go crazy, unlike most of the other bars where is a somber atmosphere like someone just died.
Pussycat123
09-29-24, 21:04
Angeles has become over the last few years a destination that is basically korean oriented, the few better looking girls flock to the asian every time, many girls will only give attention to asians, only drink with asians and definately only barfine with asians, for a westerner to get laid one has to drink in the western bars where the mainly fat, old, ugly girls work, angeles too is getting more expensive by the day, hotels, food, drinks, girls, flights are up by a fair margin over the recent past, to top it all off very few girls in angeles are young slim or attractive, those that are are basically drinks only girls, virgins or asian only girls.NS: Based on my 25 trips to AC in the past 5 years and 5 trips so far this year:
Things I agree with you on: AC is getting Korean oriented and prices are going up fast. (Customer drink 200 p in some bars, LD 350-400 p. Barfine mostly 5 k now ($90 USD).
But I disagree that westeners can't get with the hottest girls. I've barfined hot girls in Madonna, Baccarra, Soya etc, all Korean bars, no problem. But basically money talks. AC is not cheap anymore and if you don't have enough money, don't go. My budget for a 1 week trip is flight and hotel plus $4 k cash.
Another trend is that many hot girls don't work in bars anymore. They freelance in places like Mega Dance.
NapaSlapper
09-30-24, 01:29
NS: Based on my 25 trips to AC in the past 5 years and 5 trips so far this year:
Things I agree with you on: AC is getting Korean oriented and prices are going up fast. (Customer drink 200 p in some bars, LD 350-400 p. Barfine mostly 5 k now ($90 USD).
But I disagree that westeners can't get with the hottest girls. I've barfined hot girls in Madonna, Baccarra, Soya etc, all Korean bars, no problem. But basically money talks. AC is not cheap anymore and if you don't have enough money, don't go. My budget for a 1 week trip is flight and hotel plus $4 k cash.
Another trend is that many hot girls don't work in bars anymore. They freelance in places like Mega Dance.Hot or not is in the eye of the beholder, what is a model for one punter is a no thank you for free to others.
As far as mega dance and the other angeles discos my experience is that most girls there are either with their bar fine or are non pros out with their girl friends, pinoy husband, boyfriend, the very few freelancers in mega dance are in truth no where near the looks, body quality of the non pros (normal girls).
Happy to be corrected, maybe post some photos of the hotter girls you claim to secure from korean bars for the members to see.
Pussycat123
10-01-24, 07:21
Hot or not is in the eye of the beholder, what is a model for one punter is a no thank you for free to others.
As far as mega dance and the other angeles discos my experience is that most girls there are either with their bar fine or are non pros out with their girl friends, pinoy husband, boyfriend, the very few freelancers in mega dance are in truth no where near the looks, body quality of the non pros (normal girls).
Happy to be corrected, maybe post some photos of the hotter girls you claim to secure from korean bars for the members to see.First of all, I don't post pictures of the girls I have been with. Its up to members on this board if they believe my posts or not. But if someone can find anything to disprove any of my posts I would be very interested to hear it. And as you say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
As far as Mega Dance, I have no idea of the percentage of freelancers, non pros or whatever. When I go in there its usually with girls I have met elsewhere and we are barhopping. However when I was in Angeles in August I went in Mega with a barfine from Viking. She met a group of girls who had previously worked in Viking as bargirls and were now freelancing. One of those girls came home with us and stayed several days. That girl told me that the majority of unaccompanied girls in there are freelancers.
In addition, looking at Mega's facebook posts, I see pitures of girls that I know are former bargirls from Meikos Lounge in Angeles and Wet Spot in Subic. (I know this because I have barfined them before). I would describe those girls are "freelancers".
However to test this theory, someone should go into Mega, approach a single girl and see if she will go with them for free. (Which would prove she is a "normal girl"?) Maybe if they are a K-pop idol or Tom Cruise they can pull it off. But I believe the majority of us mere mortals will have to pay for the privilege.
As far as Mega Dance, I have no idea of the percentage of freelancers, non pros or whatever..Wouldn't that depends on the time of night? I remember with HiSo, it would be 100% freelancer until the Gogos closed then the off shift girls would flood in trying to pick up a / another trick for the night.
Yet another thing I miss about AC. I had some eye watering nights in there a lifetime ago.
G.
Wouldn't that depends on the time of night? I remember with HiSo, it would be 100% freelancer until the Gogos closed then the off shift girls would flood in trying to pick up a / another trick for the night.
Yet another thing I miss about AC. I had some eye watering nights in there a lifetime ago.
G.You said it. HiSo was awesome. Was great place to pick two at a time and go for LT. No BF or mediators. Do Mega can replace half a percent of HiSo?
FuriousGeorge
10-02-24, 08:40
Mega Dance is, for better or for worse, not HiSo. HiSo was about 70% girls in total population for a given night, and about 80% of those were freelancers. 100% of them could be had if you had game and were good looking, and / or made the right financial offer.
Mega is a cooler / classier club. The girls are hotter. And still about 70% of the population. BUT, about 20% of them, before the bars close (2 am or after) are freelancers. After 2 am they flood in and probably make up 50% of all the girls, but again, they are with their friends, and mostly just there to have fun with their other bargirls friends and dance and drink. They are generally not at Mega on a money making excursion. They are are available for sex if you have game, but it's not like HiSo. You can't just walk up and say "how much? You'll probably get a kick in the nuts.
I enjoy Mega Dance very much. It's a fun scene in my opinion. But, I would suggest having sex with a girl during the day, and then get a nice nap in and head to Mega at night for the vibe, with no expectation for sex. Get a table with some friends (I think they're like 10 k depending, but all consumable), and ideally some female friends to attract other girls, and then hang out and enjoy the vibe and invite girls over for drinks. I've gotten a bunch of 'civillians' this way (who knows if they were working or not). The complication is wondering if you're supposed to pay in the morning. I usually give them some money to 'get home', or 'for their kid', but nothing was ever pre-negotiated.
LoveItHere69
10-02-24, 19:29
Add up all the freelancers in all 3 discos and you still do not have the same amount of freelancers available that HISO had. The few bar girls and street girls I know said the same thing how HISO was great and the discos now are horrible. The aura / vibe is not good. The girls that knew HISO tell the new girls the same thing we tell the new guys that have never been to HISO. "You have no idea!" Those girls quit going there just like we did. Too damn depressing.
Pussycat123
10-03-24, 04:45
Yeah, Hiso was cool, I went there a few times before the scamdemic. But guys, its dead and gone. Mega might not be Hiso but its the best AC has at the moment.
LoveItHere69
10-03-24, 06:20
Yeah, Hiso was cool, I went there a few times before the scamdemic. But guys, its dead and gone. Mega might not be Hiso but its the best AC has at the moment.In a nutshell. HISO had 70-80% of the girls available because there are some non-working girls out to dance with friends, working girs tired of working, girls with their dates, etc. MEGA has 20-30% of the girls available and many asking simply stupid prices. HISO you could see the people dancing from 80% of the room without buying a table. MEGA I can only see people dancing from 30% of the room without buying a table. So it is not worth fishing for such low number of girls, the girls high asking prices, poor view of the dance floor, and as always the loud music.
... its the best AC has at the moment.Could there possibly be a lower bar??
G.
FuriousGeorge
10-03-24, 07:39
I live in LA. I have been to most of the hottest clubs. Believe me, you will have a better night, have a much higher chance of getting laid, with less money spent, at MegaDance.
Could there possibly be a lower bar??
G.
Mega Dance is, for better or for worse, not HiSo. HiSo was about 70% girls in total population for a given night, and about 80% of those were freelancers. 100% of them could be had if you had game and were good looking, and / or made the right financial offer.
Mega is a cooler / classier club. The girls are hotter. And still about 70% of the population. BUT, about 20% of them, before the bars close (2 am or after) are freelancers. After 2 am they flood in and probably make up 50% of all the girls, but again, they are with their friends, and mostly just there to have fun with their other bargirls friends and dance and drink.What's the deal with the Mega models? I assume at least some of them are available. I've had the hots for the morena in blue for some time.
What's the deal with the Mega models? I assume at least some of them are available. I've had the hots for the morena in blue for some time.They all look like nice toned bodies. BTW, many of those firm bodies available in the bars. I rate them at 8.5.
They all look like nice toned bodies. BTW, many of those firm bodies available in the bars. I rate them at 8.5.8,5 means at least 8500 Peso for a starfisch fuck. Enjoy!
ThreeInches
10-03-24, 21:39
Could there possibly be a lower bar??
The Lovely ladies on Johnnys and A Santo Rd might be tied quality wise one could argue much easier to get laid faster if you rate women starting at 10 being the lowest and 1 being the highest. You might find some 8. 5's there as well.
8,5 means at least 8500 Peso for a starfisch fuck. Enjoy!Under my friends and family plan I am 2. 5 k - 3. 5 k. Barfines around 5 k. Never ever paid 8. 5 k.
Pussycat123
10-05-24, 04:23
In a nutshell. HISO had 70-80% of the girls available because there are some non-working girls out to dance with friends, working girs tired of working, girls with their dates, etc. MEGA has 20-30% of the girls available and many asking simply stupid prices. HISO you could see the people dancing from 80% of the room without buying a table. MEGA I can only see people dancing from 30% of the room without buying a table. So it is not worth fishing for such low number of girls, the girls high asking prices, poor view of the dance floor, and as always the loud music.I agree the layout at Mega sucks. I have only ever taken one girl from there, and that was in August when I went there to party with some barfines. One of my girls recognised a fomer co worker from Viking and introduced me. The girl was hot and she came with me for 5 K. She ended up staying with me for three days, at 5 k a day. Some hot girls are asking up to 10 k, and people are paying it. I think there are flights from Qatar and UAE (Via Cebu) to Clark now, so some middle eastern high rollers are showing up at Mega.
I also agree the music is loud. We got a free table near the DJs stage and it was so loud I thought I was going to get hearing damage. We didn't stay long.
Pussycat123
10-05-24, 04:27
What's the deal with the Mega models? I assume at least some of them are available. I've had the hots for the morena in blue for some time.Hmm, last time I was there the dancers were average looking girls wearing thick tights. I don't think you can barfine them, you would have to meet them after work and negotiate.
...Some hot girls are asking up to 10 k, and people are paying it. I think there are flights from Qatar and UAE (Via Cebu) to Clark now, so some middle eastern high rollers are showing up at Mega.I don't know this. I wondered why a few of the IG girls started posting weekends in AC recently. Maybe this explains it.
The girls involved are all blistering hot so would be expecting serious coin.
Thanks. G.
There have been a number of stuck ups of shops and gas stationsin the Mountain View / Balibago areas. What gets me about the Pinays is thir lack of empathy for the victims. Trets where armed cum are on motorbikes are not safe or good streets for locals or for us.
MongerHunger
10-05-24, 14:43
Had a night out on the town. I love getting the bottle service at Mega. It's a FL magnet.
MongerHunger
10-05-24, 14:51
Hmm, last time I was there the dancers were average looking girls wearing thick tights. I didn't see any dancers wearing thick tights when I went to Mega. I like what they were wearing and they were very entertaining.
The Lovely ladies on Johnnys and A Santo Rd might be tied quality wise one could argue much easier to get laid faster if you rate women starting at 10 being the lowest and 1 being the highest. You might find some 8. 5's there as well.It might be lowering the bar, but then again, an option rather than paying massive bar fines. However, I've never discounted the girls hanging around Johnny's and A Santos.
Not that I visit Angeles often by choice, but I always see what's on offer there on A Santos. Most of the girls operate in packs and congregate near Roelgeorges blow job bar.
I picked a cutie out of the pack recently and she turned out to be amazing. It was 3000 p for 24 hours and I fed her a few meals during that time.
Cutting out the middle-man is always an advantage for both parties and another FL contact to add to the list.
And the sex seems to be a lot better and more personable as opposed to the bar girls who seem to be brainwashed with their employer's profit strategy.
Just my experience _ Phil.
Old And Ugly
10-05-24, 16:53
What's the deal with the Mega models? I assume at least some of them are available. I've had the hots for the morena in blue for some time.I may know a bit more about this: one of the dancers at mega is my ex GF, none of the staff, dancers, drink girls, waitresses, etc are for hire, they are not even allowed to socialize for to long with customers they will be fired. I do keep in touch with her because of her exquisite oral skills, but only on her free time in exchange for rent money or help with the electric bill. Rarely when I go in there, at her request we only salute each other by eye contact, even when she's downstairs by the entrance in her break smoking, they are terrified.
About the customer girls: they are all hookers, no exception, even the occasional stewardesses that overnight in ac and come to megadance for a night out (had one of those as a GF also). If you're handsome or you find a girl drunk enough you can get a freebie, but you have to get on the dance floor and intermingle, but you may find one that's accompanied by the barfiner, or boyfriend, and waste your dance moves in vain, because there isn't much room for conversation on the dance floor.
Old And Ugly
10-05-24, 17:02
I had a post maybe 2 years ago about the somber future of ac from a mongering perspective, and it seems that is materializing slowly but surely. Right now the city is separating the street and the sidewalk by sinking the street, and they will install benches on the sidewalk? Next step is a canopy, then probably the end of it.
Pussycat123
10-06-24, 03:57
I had a post maybe 2 years ago about the somber future of ac from a mongering perspective, and it seems that is materializing slowly but surely. Right now the city is separating the street and the sidewalk by sinking the street, and they will install benches on the sidewalk? Next step is a canopy, then probably the end of it.The mayor of Angeles announced that he wants to turn WS in "Red Street" which will basically be cafes and restaurants. However it seems the Koreans didn't get the message and are still investing in gogo bars. There is a new train line being built from Manila to Clark which will go through the so called "Freelancer Park" and cross Fields Avenue then go over to Clark. The train travels on an overhead platform and it is already partially built near to SM Clark and south of Angeles.
I'm guessing AC in its current form has 2-3 years left. For the moment, the local politicians allow the bars to stay open because they own the buildings and can charge exorbitant rents. But there are other risks as well. If China invades Taiwan as Xi has vowed to do, all hell will break loose in SE Asia and none of us will be flying to the Philipppines.
Just enjoy it while you can, folks.
LoveItHere69
10-06-24, 08:18
About the customer girls: they are all hookers, no exception, even the occasional stewardesses that overnight in ac and come to megadance for a night out (had one of those as a GF also). I call BS on that. I rarely read any stories of guys picking up girls at the discos now and never a price given. But I read many many "Total waste of time!" reports. I remember girls waiting inside the entrance of HISO to get first chance at possible customers walkng into the disco and girls approaching me. Never had seen any any girls waiting just inside the entrance or had anyone approach me at a disco since HISO closed. If ALL the girl customers are hookers at MEGA then where are all the wonderful posts about it like we had with HISO? I have sat and talked to many street girls that sit outside MEGA who do not like the current discos. These girls walk into MEGA, do a walk around, then come out and wait outside hoping to get a customer walking into or out of MEGA, but mostly the guys simply walking past. The street girls are there for many hours, several days per week, and most weeks throughout the year so they know a lot of what is happening since they are always hunting when there. Almost every guy I see going into MEGA has a girl already because he learned that hunting there is pointless.
It seems as if you saw one of your ex-bar girl friends at MEGA so that you assume automatically that all the girls are available and hunting. Maybe a large portion are for 4000+ but that is high compared to a bar girl in a bar that charges 5000 p and she only gets half (2500 p) plus good tip 1000 p for a total of 3500 p. So 3500 p is a fair hunting price.
I will be there Oct 17,18, and maybe 19. If you or anyone wants to meet to prove me wrong. Please do so. We will talk to some of the street girls sitting outside MEGA for thier comments and then work our way inside to see who is avaiable and for how much. Send me a message.
ThreeInches
10-06-24, 13:02
There have been a number of stuck ups of shops and gas stationsin the Mountain View / Balibago areas.Can you be more specific or are you just pontificating?
Old And Ugly
10-06-24, 14:20
The mayor of Angeles announced that he wants to turn WS in "Red Street" which will basically be cafes and restaurants. However it seems the Koreans didn't get the message and are still investing in gogo bars. There is a new train line being built from Manila to Clark which will go through the so called "Freelancer Park" and cross Fields Avenue then go over to Clark. The train travels on an overhead platform and it is already partially built near to SM Clark and south of Angeles.
I'm guessing AC in its current form has 2-3 years left. For the moment, the local politicians allow the bars to stay open because they own the buildings and can charge exorbitant rents. But there are other risks as well. If China invades Taiwan as Xi has vowed to do, all hell will break loose in SE Asia and none of us will be flying to the Philipppines.
Just enjoy it while you can, folks.The construction is moving at a pace unseen in the Philippines: 3 days ago there were holes and dirt everywhere, today is all paved, only the Philly's end still not finished. I don't know if that's the final coat or not.
Even in Angeles, Walking St and its bars are barely a pimple. Most foreigners are hitched up with locals and most locals have no interactions with foreigners. Many locals want the whole show gone. WS basic has society's dregs, fast money, no education rutal women. No offence to them but that is how it is. And lots of Pinoys would be happy for it all to go and the sex tourists to go too.
For my part, I will be back next month, with a non hooker but my problem is I have boxed myself in between her, her job and my hotel. I have to find a way to break free and score other women without being caught or huriting her feelings, whixch are delicate and must be respected for reasons I don't want to go into here.
For me, an extra 2-3 years is fine as beyond that, not even Viagra will make me get a hard on. Sad in a way to see it go but that is how all red light districts end.
......For me, an extra 2-3 years is fine as beyond that, not even Viagra will make me get a hard on......Do not despair. Just find a non-pro who will cook, wash clothes, clean house and look after you. Make sure she's semi-hot and occasionally ask her to do a striptease to test johnson.
KenjiYoshioka
10-06-24, 19:49
Even in Angeles, Walking St and its bars are barely a pimple. Most foreigners are hitched up with locals and most locals have no interactions with foreigners. Many locals want the whole show gone. WS basic has society's dregs, fast money, no education rutal women. No offence to them but that is how it is. And lots of Pinoys would be happy for it all to go and the sex tourists to go too.
For my part, I will be back next month, with a non hooker but my problem is I have boxed myself in between her, her job and my hotel. I have to find a way to break free and score other women without being caught or huriting her feelings, whixch are delicate and must be respected for reasons I don't want to go into here.
For me, an extra 2-3 years is fine as beyond that, not even Viagra will make me get a hard on. Sad in a way to see it go but that is how all red light districts end.. . Never having been to AC, planning on stopping in for one night and one night only. I wish I could have seen the striptease competitions and shit like that in the hay day, but I've always been the non-pro type just using the Hobby on the side to take care of the insatiable hunger that the selfish civvies can never seem to scratch all the way. It's hard banging the shit out of a hottie when her sister and cousin are even hotter and not wanting a piece of that on the side or in the open.
Pussycat123
10-06-24, 20:16
I call BS on that. I rarely read any stories of guys picking up girls at the discos now and never a price given. But I read many many "Total waste of time!" reports. I remember girls waiting inside the entrance of HISO to get first chance at possible customers walkng into the disco and girls approaching me. Never had seen any any girls waiting just inside the entrance or had anyone approach me at a disco since HISO closed. If ALL the girl customers are hookers at MEGA then where are all the wonderful posts about it like we had with HISO? I have sat and talked to many street girls that sit outside MEGA who do not like the current discos. These girls walk into MEGA, do a walk around, then come out and wait outside hoping to get a customer walking into or out of MEGA, but mostly the guys simply walking past. The street girls are there for many hours, several days per week, and most weeks throughout the year so they know a lot of what is happening since they are always hunting when there. Almost every guy I see going into MEGA has a girl already because he learned that hunting there is pointless.
It seems as if you saw one of your ex-bar girl friends at MEGA so that you assume automatically that all the girls are available and hunting. Maybe a large portion are for 4000+ but that is high compared to a bar girl in a bar that charges 5000 p and she only gets half (2500 p) plus good tip 1000 p for a total of 3500 p. So 3500 p is a fair hunting price.
I will be there Oct 17,18, and maybe 19. If you or anyone wants to meet to prove me wrong. Please do so. We will talk to some of the street girls sitting outside MEGA for thier comments and then work our way inside to see who is avaiable and for how much. Send me a message.I agree there are lots of people just partying in Mega, but there are certainly freelancers there. I went in there in July with two girls and one girl recognized her ex-coworker from Viking. She told me she is a freelancer so I just went up to the girl asked her if we could talk for a moment. I took her into the corridor next to the CRs and asked how much. She said 5 k per night. We agreed the details and she said ok. We went back to our group, billed out and left. That girl then stayed with me for three days.
Now, people may say 5K is high, but she stayed with me 24/7 for three days at 5k per day, so I think thats not too bad. How many places in this world will a hot girl stay with you three days straight, doing whatever you want, for $90 per day?
So there are freelancers in Mega. I think most of them hang out at the free tables near the DJ. Expect to pay 5k-10 k per night. (The days of 1-1.5k at Mega are looong gone).
Just bear in mind that some of these girls have high expectations. The girl I took for 5 k told me that a local expat asked her to be his live in GF with a 60 k per month allowance but she turned him down.
But the Mega "Freelancers" are more like profesional escorts than the freelancers that used to show up at Hiso. They were mostly low class trash from the province. The curent generation are still fundamentally trash but are more savvy and seem to know their worth.
Some guys get a VIP table then invite girls to their table, but that's an expensive way to do it.
As for freelancers sitting around outside, that got harder because they used to sit on a low wall near the trike stand but the wall has been removed now. So you wont be able to talk to girls sitting there. Another nail in the coffin of the 'Old" Walking St...
Pussycat123
10-06-24, 20:38
Even in Angeles, Walking St and its bars are barely a pimple. Most foreigners are hitched up with locals and most locals have no interactions with foreigners. Many locals want the whole show gone. WS basic has society's dregs, fast money, no education rutal women. No offence to them but that is how it is. And lots of Pinoys would be happy for it all to go and the sex tourists to go too.
For my part, I will be back next month, with a non hooker but my problem is I have boxed myself in between her, her job and my hotel. I have to find a way to break free and score other women without being caught or huriting her feelings, whixch are delicate and must be respected for reasons I don't want to go into here.
For me, an extra 2-3 years is fine as beyond that, not even Viagra will make me get a hard on. Sad in a way to see it go but that is how all red light districts end.
Yeah, most of the bargirls are from the botom tier, especially from Samar. One of the girls showed me pics from her house in Samar and its literally a pile of cinder blocks with a tin roof. Its shocking how they live. Don't let the makeup and sexy clothes fool you. Guys must be out of their mind to marry one of these girls. Its true that some locals want to get rid of WS. They will do that once the powers that be can make more money somewhere else (e.g. real estate linked to Clark etc).
Regarding your GF, my suggestion is to ditch her. It makes no sense to go to pussy paradise and then be locked down. Dont let the girl control the narrative. Just look at the old foreigners with the Pinay wives, not many smiling faces. These gals don't age well. Pinays are loyal they say...yeah, female cats are loyal and keep coming home as long as you feed them. But they are out all night geting fucked by every tomcat in town.
Yeah, most of the bargirls are from the botom tier, especially from Samar. One of the girls showed me pics from her house in Samar and its literally a pile of cinder blocks with a tin roof. Its shocking how they live. Don't let the makeup and sexy clothes fool you. Guys must be out of their mind to marry one of these girls. Its true that some locals want to get rid of WS. They will do that once the powers that be can make more money somewhere else (e.g. real estate linked to Clark etc).
Regarding your GF, my suggestion is to ditch her. It makes no sense to go to pussy paradise and then be locked down. Dont let the girl control the narrative. Just look at the old foreigners with the Pinay wives, not many smiling faces. These gals don't age well. Pinays are loyal they say...yeah, female cats are loyal and keep coming home as long as you feed them. But they are out all night geting fucked by every tomcat in town.I'm not worried as much about what their house back home looks like. My pinay wife had a home with no cinder blocks or metal roof when I met her. Bamboo and anahau. She also was never a bar girl. I think how / where you meet the girl is far more important than what kind of house she had or where she lives. That said, I do know the improbably American who met and married a bar girl and has lived happily ever after for the last 7 years, so it can happen.
FuriousGeorge
10-06-24, 21:53
Like any bar all over the world, the staff and dancers are available but under very specific circumstances. If you're handsome, charismatic, dress well, and aren't a creep. On my last trip, there was a very hot 'floor manager' at Mega who wore sexy dresses each night and walked around with a walkie talkie and basically supervised. We hit it off and she offered me her number. We texted plenty and would flirt when I'd come to Mega but I decided I had no interest in putting in all the work. In AC there is just so much available that's easier. I saw this same girl one day in the elevator at Central Park, where she claimed she was coming from a 'business meeting'. She had a lot of specifics about the owner of the business and the type of business and her role, so who knows, she could have been telling the truth. Anyway, sometimes you pay for convenience. When you're visiting, time is precious, and I don't generally want to use it up jumping through hoops to get a girl.
Pussycat123
10-06-24, 23:12
Like any bar all over the world, the staff and dancers are available but under very specific circumstances. If you're handsome, charismatic, dress well, and aren't a creep. On my last trip, there was a very hot 'floor manager' at Mega who wore sexy dresses each night and walked around with a walkie talkie and basically supervised. We hit it off and she offered me her number. We texted plenty and would flirt when I'd come to Mega but I decided I had no interest in putting in all the work. In AC there is just so much available that's easier. I saw this same girl one day in the elevator at Central Park, where she claimed she was coming from a 'business meeting'. She had a lot of specifics about the owner of the business and the type of business and her role, so who knows, she could have been telling the truth. Anyway, sometimes you pay for convenience. When you're visiting, time is precious, and I don't generally want to use it up jumping through hoops to get a girl.I barfined a girl at Viking. We kept in touch and she told me she quit the bar. Then over a 9 month period I visited Angeles several times and I fucked the shit out of her every time. I just paid her per night, like a barfine.
It turned out she had been supported by another guy from the US the whole time and that's why she had quit the bar. The guy goes to Angeles a couple of weeks a year. So he had been supporting her the whole time just so he could fuck her when he goes to Angeles for two weeks a year, whereas I was just pay to play.
Bottom line guys, don't chase or support girls. Just hit them up when you are in town.
I barfined a girl at Viking. We kept in touch and she told me she quit the bar. Then over a 9 month period I visited Angeles several times and I fucked the shit out of her every time. I just paid her per night, like a barfine.
It turned out she had been supported by another guy from the US the whole time and that's why she had quit the bar. The guy goes to Angeles a couple of weeks a year. So he had been supporting her the whole time just so he could fuck her when he goes to Angeles for two weeks a year, whereas I was just pay to play.
Bottom line guys, don't chase or support girls. Just hit them up when you are in town.I was going to say that hot girls, surrounded by high rollers who visit a few times a year have "SPONSORED" written all over them.
I'd agree, that opens up the opportunity to be a side dick, for the right guy, at much reduced rates.
Enjoy. G.
KenjiYoshioka
10-06-24, 23:48
Yeah, most of the bargirls are from the botom tier, especially from Samar. One of the girls showed me pics from her house in Samar and its literally a pile of cinder blocks with a tin roof. Its shocking how they live. Don't let the makeup and sexy clothes fool you. Guys must be out of their mind to marry one of these girls. Its true that some locals want to get rid of WS. They will do that once the powers that be can make more money somewhere else (e.g. real estate linked to Clark etc).
Regarding your GF, my suggestion is to ditch her. It makes no sense to go to pussy paradise and then be locked down. Dont let the girl control the narrative. Just look at the old foreigners with the Pinay wives, not many smiling faces. These gals don't age well. Pinays are loyal they say...yeah, female cats are loyal and keep coming home as long as you feed them. But they are out all night geting fucked by every tomcat in town.The real problem with Pinay pussy and what really sets them apart from other Asian girls is that unlike Asian chicks Filipinas don't look that good past the age of 25. Their looks start to slide off quickly after that, and by age 30 Filipinas don't look great. They're hot when they're young, but once they graduate from being girls to women they're wallpaper. This is but ONE of the many reasons you don't marry a filipina.
Chris Long
10-07-24, 00:22
I call BS on that. I rarely read any stories of guys picking up girls at the discos now and never a price given. But I read many many "Total waste of time!" reports. I remember girls waiting inside the entrance of HISO to get first chance at possible customers walkng into the disco and girls approaching me. Never had seen any any girls waiting just inside the entrance or had anyone approach me at a disco since HISO closed. If ALL the girl customers are hookers at MEGA then where are all the wonderful posts about it like we had with HISO? I have sat and talked to many street girls that sit outside MEGA who do not like the current discos. These girls walk into MEGA, do a walk around, then come out and wait outside hoping to get a customer walking into or out of MEGA, but mostly the guys simply walking past. The street girls are there for many hours, several days per week, and most weeks throughout the year so they know a lot of what is happening since they are always hunting when there. Almost every guy I see going into MEGA has a girl already because he learned that hunting there is pointless.
It seems as if you saw one of your ex-bar girl friends at MEGA so that you assume automatically that all the girls are available and hunting. Maybe a large portion are for 4000+ but that is high compared to a bar girl in a bar that charges 5000 p and she only gets half (2500 p) plus good tip 1000 p for a total of 3500 p. So 3500 p is a fair hunting price.
I will be there Oct 17,18, and maybe 19. If you or anyone wants to meet to prove me wrong. Please do so. We will talk to some of the street girls sitting outside MEGA for thier comments and then work our way inside to see who is avaiable and for how much. Send me a message.I will be in AC on the same dates this month. Spent two months in AC last summer and agree completely with your analysis of Megadance. I had a 0. 0% success rate at Mega went in a few times during the two-month period any whare from midnight to 3 am. Most women were in groups which usually included a few guys as part of the group. No one seemed interested or showed any attention in my direction so I never cold approached any group of girls especially if there were guys as part of the group which was most groups. I would always leave empty handed from Mega and would often sit at Kokamos to watch the crowd and on several occasions I would see the groups of girls I seen at Mega leaving in their groups with no customers which suggested to me they were not there to pick up customers but were there to hang out with their friends. If an exceptionally hansom guy approaches them or a guy throws big money at them they will probably go but that is not the reason for them going to mega.
The mayor of Angeles announced that he wants to turn WS in "Red Street" which will basically be cafes and restaurants.....
I'm guessing AC in its current form has 2-3 years left. For the moment, the local politicians allow the bars to stay open because they own the buildings and can charge exorbitant rents. But there are other risks as well. If China invades Taiwan as Xi has vowed to do, all hell will break loose in SE Asia and none of us will be flying to the Philipppines.
Just enjoy it while you can, folks.Ok, I had been putting off my first AC visit for 5-6 years, but now it is time. I didn't realize that the AC life was an endangered species. I am now planning on going there later this winter.
Fellas, I need some advice planning my time. For this trip, I was planning on splitting my time between El Nido and AC. I have read that there is nothing to do here except punt. Probably plan to relax by the pool at ABC and / or do some work in the day, and punt at night.
How many nights is enough at AC before I get bored? Making a preliminary schedule, I could either be in AC Mon / Tues / Sat OR Th / FR / Sat. Any thoughts? Is it dead during the week? Or too crowded on the weekends?
I have been a punter for a little over a decade. Experienced, though maybe not super duper experienced. I was in the PI about 5-6 years ago, but did NOT hit AC. Over the years, I have been to most of the major haunts around the world. I figured three nights tops.
Thanks in advance!
Ok, I had been putting off my first AC visit for 5-6 years, but now it is time. I didn't realize that the AC life was an endangered species. I am now planning on going there later this winter.
Fellas, I need some advice planning my time. For this trip, I was planning on splitting my time between El Nido and AC. I have read that there is nothing to do here except punt. Probably plan to relax by the pool at ABC and / or do some work in the day, and punt at night.
How many nights is enough at AC before I get bored? Making a preliminary schedule, I could either be in AC Mon / Tues / Sat OR Th / FR / Sat. Any thoughts? Is it dead during the week? Or too crowded on the weekends?
I have been a punter for a little over a decade. Experienced, though maybe not super duper experienced. I was in the PI about 5-6 years ago, but did NOT hit AC. Over the years, I have been to most of the major haunts around the world. I figured three nights tops.
Thanks in advance!The sensible part of me would say, for three days, just skip it and stay in Makati. Save yourself the extra travel time and Makati is designed precisely for the 3 day millionaire anyway. Burgos is as much a newbie must do as AC.
I'm finding it harder to recommend AC for newbies to visit but if you do want to add it to your monger list or see it before it disappears, then the weekend stop is a much better idea.
Enjoy. G.
Ok, I had been putting off my first AC visit for 5-6 years, but now it is time. I didn't realize that the AC life was an endangered species. I am now planning on going there later this winter.
Fellas, I need some advice planning my time. For this trip, I was planning on splitting my time between El Nido and AC. I have read that there is nothing to do here except punt. Probably plan to relax by the pool at ABC and / or do some work in the day, and punt at night.
How many nights is enough at AC before I get bored? Making a preliminary schedule, I could either be in AC Mon / Tues / Sat OR Th / FR / Sat. Any thoughts? Is it dead during the week? Or too crowded on the weekends?
I have been a punter for a little over a decade. Experienced, though maybe not super duper experienced. I was in the PI about 5-6 years ago, but did NOT hit AC. Over the years, I have been to most of the major haunts around the world. I figured three nights tops.
Thanks in advance!ABC is nice, but overrated. Why blow so much money on accommodations that you're not going to really stay at?
Get an airbnb at Kandi and have fun, I wouldn't do less than a week in AC myself.
Ok, I had been putting off my first AC visit for 5-6 years, but now it is time. I didn't realize that the AC life was an endangered species. I am now planning on going there later this winter.
Fellas, I need some advice planning my time. For this trip, I was planning on splitting my time between El Nido and AC. I have read that there is nothing to do here except punt. Probably plan to relax by the pool at ABC and / or do some work in the day, and punt at night.
How many nights is enough at AC before I get bored? Making a preliminary schedule, I could either be in AC Mon / Tues / Sat OR Th / FR / Sat. Any thoughts? Is it dead during the week? Or too crowded on the weekends?
I have been a punter for a little over a decade. Experienced, though maybe not super duper experienced. I was in the PI about 5-6 years ago, but did NOT hit AC. Over the years, I have been to most of the major haunts around the world. I figured three nights tops.
Thanks in advance!I recommend staying at ABC. I like the Aqua Suites which is in the new tower with Aqua Club on the 7th floor. ABC has in room legit massage services to 2 am. A little pricy for PH 1300 per hour but an excellent massage. You can try Aqua Club for FL. Weekdays are quiet. More weekend quests in the hotel. Short distance to Walking street bars and quick trike ride back with your cuties.
Also there are direct flight from Clark to El Nido and back. Pick up a cutie in AC to take with you to El Nido!
Have fun.
Pussycat123
10-07-24, 07:37
Ok, I had been putting off my first AC visit for 5-6 years, but now it is time. I didn't realize that the AC life was an endangered species. I am now planning on going there later this winter.
Fellas, I need some advice planning my time. For this trip, I was planning on splitting my time between El Nido and AC. I have read that there is nothing to do here except punt. Probably plan to relax by the pool at ABC and / or do some work in the day, and punt at night.
How many nights is enough at AC before I get bored? Making a preliminary schedule, I could either be in AC Mon / Tues / Sat OR Th / FR / Sat. Any thoughts? Is it dead during the week? Or too crowded on the weekends?
I have been a punter for a little over a decade. Experienced, though maybe not super duper experienced. I was in the PI about 5-6 years ago, but did NOT hit AC. Over the years, I have been to most of the major haunts around the world. I figured three nights tops.
Thanks in advance!Well AC might last longer than three years but its in decline. Maybe its on death row but some guys spend 20 years on death row.
El Nido is pretty but its a tourist trap. There is no girl action there to my knowledge. I was in Coron for diving and that place is hyped also, but its a dump with no beach. Boracay has a nice beach but its boring.
Anyway my 2 cents, spend 3 nights in AC and you will have fun. Ive been there five times this year, the last trip was one month ago. Someone just counted the bars on Walking St and suprisingly there are still 43. Thats at least 1,000 girls. Just hit Qbar, Lollipop, Viking and Sensations and you can't go wrong. Personally I would skip Manila. There arent many bars and just this month two clubs, namely Fyre and Neon Nights, got raided and shut down. Plus the barfine prices are much higher than AC.
I usually stay in Angeles 7 nights and I'm not bored. On weekends its flooded with Koreans who arrive in white vans at 10 am sharp and scoop up lots of girls. But the place is more lively on the weekends. Quieter but more girl choice on the weekdays perhaps.
As for hotels, I would rather stay in a place like Central Park than ABC as its a 2 minute walk to the bars, vs a trike ride from ABC.
LoveItHere69
10-07-24, 09:01
I agree there are lots of people just partying in Mega, but there are certainly freelancers there. I went in there in July with two girls and one girl recognized her ex-coworker from Viking. She told me she is a freelancer so I just went up to the girl asked her if we could talk for a moment. I took her into the corridor next to the CRs and asked how much. She said 5 k per night.
As for freelancers sitting around outside, that got harder because they used to sit on a low wall near the trike stand but the wall has been removed now. So you wont be able to talk to girls sitting there. Another nail in the coffin of the 'Old" Walking St...There are freelancers in MEGA. Not real insightful because 99% of the women on the planet all have a price. In fact, I bet an average guy could offer $50,000 and sex 90% of the women on the planet the night before her wedding and she will happily cheat! The 2 biggest factors are 1) price 2) 100% secrecy. You offer to meet 20 miles out of town where nobody could possibly know her and she will jump at the chance for a 3 hour $50,000 F. Feast. My point was that there are very few and at a higher than worth it price point. But my main point was that his statement of "all hookers, no exceptions" is a flat out 100% lie or stupidity.
I was there 2 months ago and since then they took out the sitting wall across MEGA. That simple act alone will decrease the amount of street girls by 20% minimum after Christmas.
Another point, there are very few freebies anywhere anymore even if you are young and in good shape. Even the "good" girls want paid in one form or another or you lied making her think you are looking for a GF / marriage. And if I have more money and willing to spend it on her she will be mine. But no worries there because I am a Cheap Charlie. If anything I will scare her into your arms. Haha!
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About the customer girls: they are all hookers, no exception, even the occasional stewardesses that overnight in ac and come to megadance for a night out (had one of those as a GF also). If you're handsome or you find a girl drunk enough you can get a freebie.
Old And Ugly
10-07-24, 14:33
My bad! I was too quick to asses the pace of the WS overhaul, I forgot we are in the PH. Whatever they finished paving last week, today they excavated again, for unknown reasons, maybe one of the workers lost his favorite lighter while pouring the concrete, and they were looking for it. The whole street looks like a war zone again.
Old And Ugly
10-07-24, 15:11
I call BS on that. I rarely read any stories of guys picking up girls at the discos now and never a price given. But I read many many "Total waste of time!" reports. I remember girls waiting inside the entrance of HISO to get first chance at possible customers walkng into the disco and girls approaching me. Never had seen any any girls waiting just inside the entrance or had anyone approach me at a disco since HISO closed. If ALL the girl customers are hookers at MEGA then where are all the wonderful posts about it like we had with HISO? I have sat and talked to many street girls that sit outside MEGA who do not like the current discos. These girls walk into MEGA, do a walk around, then come out and wait outside hoping to get a customer walking into or out of MEGA, but mostly the guys simply walking past. The street girls are there for many hours, several days per week, and most weeks throughout the year so they know a lot of what is happening since they are always hunting when there. Almost every guy I see going into MEGA has a girl already because he learned that hunting there is pointless.
It seems as if you saw one of your ex-bar girl friends at MEGA so that you assume automatically that all the girls are available and hunting. Maybe a large portion are for 4000+ but that is high compared to a bar girl in a bar that charges 5000 p and she only gets half (2500 p) plus good tip 1000 p for a total of 3500 p. So 3500 p is a fair hunting price.
I will be there Oct 17,18, and maybe 19. If you or anyone wants to meet to prove me wrong. Please do so. We will talk to some of the street girls sitting outside MEGA for thier comments and then work our way inside to see who is avaiable and for how much. Send me a message.Maybe read again what I was saying, they are all hookers, but some may be already taken, and in there just for fun, therefore observe their entourage before wasting you time. Just find any that's by herself, and ask directly how much? I don't think you will get turned down. I don't know what's the going rate, because I always been there accompanied and not looking for it, also at my age I would look ridiculous on the dance floor, but I assume it's just like the street price, 1500 to whatever they can get out of you. And yes I saw many of my old barfines there, and they were all looking to make some money afterwork, or if barfined already, just trying to get the guy tired and drunk, so they have less workload. Not trying to prove you or anyone else wrong, I'm way pass that. Just sharing some "wisdom".
Old And Ugly
10-07-24, 15:25
Ok, I had been putting off my first AC visit for 5-6 years, but now it is time. I didn't realize that the AC life was an endangered species. I am now planning on going there later this winter.
Fellas, I need some advice planning my time. For this trip, I was planning on splitting my time between El Nido and AC. I have read that there is nothing to do here except punt. Probably plan to relax by the pool at ABC and / or do some work in the day, and punt at night.
How many nights is enough at AC before I get bored? Making a preliminary schedule, I could either be in AC Mon / Tues / Sat OR Th / FR / Sat. Any thoughts? Is it dead during the week? Or too crowded on the weekends?
I have been a punter for a little over a decade. Experienced, though maybe not super duper experienced. I was in the PI about 5-6 years ago, but did NOT hit AC. Over the years, I have been to most of the major haunts around the world. I figured three nights tops.
Thanks in advance!If you're coming here only for 2-3 nights then probably will not get any relax time. I reccomend hotel royal amsterdam, cost about $60/ night and no more than 1 minute walk to the action, I always stay there when in town for a short visit. If you like LEDs around the mirrors and the crown molding, or if you need to impress your barfine then ABC is the choice. But I would say that a nice tip will be more appreciated by the girl than the ABC's plush.
Well AC might last longer than three years but its in decline. Maybe its on death row but some guys spend 20 years on death row.
El Nido is pretty but its a tourist trap. There is no girl action there to my knowledge. I was in Coron for diving and that place is hyped also, but its a dump with no beach. Boracay has a nice beach but its boring.
Anyway my 2 cents, spend 3 nights in AC and you will have fun. Ive been there five times this year, the last trip was one month ago. Someone just counted the bars on Walking St and suprisingly there are still 43. Thats at least 1,000 girls. Just hit Qbar, Lollipop, Viking and Sensations and you can't go wrong. Personally I would skip Manila. There arent many bars and just this month two clubs, namely Fyre and Neon Nights, got raided and shut down. Plus the barfine prices are much higher than AC.
I usually stay in Angeles 7 nights and I'm not bored. On weekends its flooded with Koreans who arrive in white vans at 10 am sharp and scoop up lots of girls. But the place is more lively on the weekends. Quieter but more girl choice on the weekdays perhaps.
As for hotels, I would rather stay in a place like Central Park than ABC as its a 2 minute walk to the bars, vs a trike ride from ABC.Thanks for all the responses fellas!
I looked at Royal Amsterdam and the suite was $100 USD. ABC was something like $130, but much nicer AND you get the rooftop pool and all the other facilities. Unless it is TOO far away, I would like the other amenities so that I can entertain myself during the day -- read a book by the pool, etc.
I am leaning towards a Wed, Th, and Friday night stay, leaving on Sat afternoon. Going to spend the first half of the week in El Nido.
I remember how terrible Manila airport was. Definitely going to fly through Clark this time through.
And yes, it is a Punter Bucket List thing. I saw all of Manila and Cebu that I wanted to see 6 years ago. Even if AC is not as good as it used to be, I can't NOT check it out. The legends call.....
Pussycat123
10-08-24, 03:26
Thanks for all the responses fellas!
I looked at Royal Amsterdam and the suite was $100 USD. ABC was something like $130, but much nicer AND you get the rooftop pool and all the other facilities. Unless it is TOO far away, I would like the other amenities so that I can entertain myself during the day -- read a book by the pool, etc.
I am leaning towards a Wed, Th, and Friday night stay, leaving on Sat afternoon. Going to spend the first half of the week in El Nido.
I remember how terrible Manila airport was. Definitely going to fly through Clark this time through.
And yes, it is a Punter Bucket List thing. I saw all of Manila and Cebu that I wanted to see 6 years ago. Even if AC is not as good as it used to be, I can't NOT check it out. The legends call.....Don't get me wrong ABC is cool. Trike to Walking St is maybe 150 p and you could even get a Jeepney from outside ABC for about 15 p just for the hell of it. Get off at the Jeepney terminus then walk the last 2 minutes to WS.
Hell, you can even walk from ABC to WS, is only 500 m. Walk there then trike back with your barfine. (And with the traffic at 5pm, it might be quicker to walk....)
Don't get me wrong ABC is cool. Trike to Walking St is maybe 150 p and you could even get a Jeepney from outside ABC for about 15 p just for the hell of it. Get off at the Jeepney terminus then walk the last 2 minutes to WS.
Hell, you can even walk from ABC to WS, is only 500 m. Walk there then trike back with your barfine. (And with the traffic at 5pm, it might be quicker to walk....)Have they stopped the free courtesy car??
Pussycat123
10-08-24, 07:24
Have they stopped the free courtesy car??Don't know, I've never stayed there, I just drank at Aqua Beach Club on the roof.
Have they stopped the free courtesy car??You have to be a VIP Member to qualify for the free courtesy car service. The service includes a certain area around town. Also to and from Clark Airport.
VIP members enjoy 10% discounts on ABC and Aqua charges and lower room rates. Not sure whether a minimum of 10 or 20 days stays a year to qualify for VIP.
FuriousGeorge
10-08-24, 09:00
ABC is cool, no doubt. I will be there for the NYE white party this year. Girls like it when they hear you're staying there. And definitely check it out on a weekend night. The bar-attached jacuzzi is nice, and likely will be populated with a few hot girls. But, Central Park is almost as nice, a bit cheaper, and girls like it even more, because it's only steps from walking street.
Well AC might last longer than three years but its in decline. Maybe its on death row but some guys spend 20 years on death row.
Although I've made my observations of AC fairly clear in previous posts, I have to agree PC.
I've only been there a handful of times to coordinate with business trips.
Do I think the place is a shithole? Yes.
Did I have a good time there? Yes.
I managed to take my usual route and avoid the bar fines and exorbitant lady drinks on WS and compensate the girls I hooked up with accordingly. Sure, some tried to play the game, but with experience, you know how to retaliate, in the nicest possible way.
Ultimately, it all comes down to customer satisfaction and the girls will be rewarded for their efforts.
I've just found that over time, taking the third party out of the equation (the bars) it's more personable, there's a better performance from the girls and when you set the bar and say, "Hey, I'll look after you, buy you food, offer you a nice bed and room for the night, but I'm going to reward you 500 p a shot".
I know you'd have to have some experience in The Phils to take this approach, but it works.
As for AC, I've met loads of guys more recently where the place definitely serves its purpose. Sure, it might not be what it used to be, but hey, as long as you have a good time, who cares?
As for hotels, Wild Orchid has worked for me. It's old but hanging in there with great pools, food and staff.
IF AC is your thing and it works for you, go for it.
Just my experience_Phil.
Hello everyone,
I'm going to Angeles city next week for the first time. I've been to Manila and Cebu a few times but it's my first time in Angeles. I've already got a hotel booked that's 10 minutes from walking street.
My budget is 10000 pesos per night for 4 nights each, this includes a few drinks for me and barfine for the girl taking her dinner and then back to mine. I'm look to barfine a different each night for LT (12 hrs).
I'm not fussed about the looks as long as she can speak English and is able to entertain all night. (Don't even mind a ufo).
I heard Viking is good. What other places should I try? What are the prices for a barfine? Are there any tips you guys can share.
Also, am I better off buying ladyb drinks until I meet a girl I like or should I just buy the mamassang a lady drink with a tip and get her to get me a suitable girl?
Don't know, I've never stayed there, I just drank at Aqua Beach Club on the roof.The last time I visited ABC a few months ago on a Friday night I was sorely disappointed. Sure, there were guys having fun with Filipinas in the pool area but the only available ones I saw were old and wanted some ridiculous amount 10000 p for a short time. I routinely stay at Orchid Inn down the street from Phillies. The rooms are old but refurnished. The staff knows me so I get treated real good. Nice pool. It's kind of a family place but there are still guys like me bringing in their date (s) at all hours of the day and night.
Hello everyone,
I'm going to Angeles city next week for the first time. .. Are there any tips you guys can share.
Try not to buy a bar, many first timers get caught up in it and end up losing their money!
Although I've made my observations of AC fairly clear in previous posts, I have to agree PC.
I've only been there a handful of times to coordinate with business trips.
Do I think the place is a shithole? Yes.
Did I have a good time there? Yes.
I managed to take my usual route and avoid the bar fines and exorbitant lady drinks on WS and compensate the girls I hooked up with accordingly. Sure, some tried to play the game, but with experience, you know how to retaliate, in the nicest possible way.
Ultimately, it all comes down to customer satisfaction and the girls will be rewarded for their efforts.
I've just found that over time, taking the third party out of the equation (the bars) it's more personable, there's a better performance from the girls and when you set the bar and say, "Hey, I'll look after you, buy you food, offer you a nice bed and room for the night, but I'm going to reward you 500 p a shot".
I know you'd have to have some experience in The Phils to take this approach, but it works.
As for AC, I've met loads of guys more recently where the place definitely serves its purpose. Sure, it might not be what it used to be, but hey, as long as you have a good time, who cares?
As for hotels, Wild Orchid has worked for me. It's old but hanging in there with great pools, food and staff.
IF AC is your thing and it works for you, go for it.
Just my experience_Phil.Hmmm. Interesting approach. I will have to consider that IF I find one or two girls satisfying enough to spend my whole time with.
And like yourself, I have heard much discussion about how it is in decline. I am not surprised. Actually, I think that punting around the world is in decline. A lot of it is that I just want to experience the place. I will be sure to keep my expectations in check.
Over my punting career so far, I am happy to say that I have been to most of the major international destinations. Pattaya. Soi Cowboy. Geylang. Medellin Mansion. Terma 4 x4. The Hong Kong. FKK Oase. Globe. Vecinitas. Black. Hotel Del Rey. Havana Club. Campo Alegre. Blackbeards. Even some relatively smaller gems, like Carolina's, Pachi's, and The Cocal. And my personal sentimental favorite -- Oxygen.
But the one I always regret missing was Help. That place closed just before I started into the hobby, and all I heard was stories about it ever since. I missed that one. Even if Angeles is a shadow of its former self, I don't want to miss it.
Other than AC, the only other place left on the bucket list is Scandallo.
Engine Driver
10-09-24, 05:57
Have they stopped the free courtesy car??Correct, they no longer offer the free courtesy car to WS. What's with you mongers? Just walk there and get a trike back when you've picked up your hottie. I only gave the trike drivers 100 peso each time and no one complained.
Expat American
10-09-24, 06:18
Hmmm. Interesting approach. I will have to consider that IF I find one or two girls satisfying enough to spend my whole time with.
And like yourself, I have heard much discussion about how it is in decline. I am not surprised. Actually, I think that punting around the world is in decline. A lot of it is that I just want to experience the place. I will be sure to keep my expectations in check.
Over my punting career so far, I am happy to say that I have been to most of the major international destinations. Pattaya. Soi Cowboy. Geylang. Medellin Mansion. Terma 4 x4. The Hong Kong. FKK Oase. Globe. Vecinitas. Black. Hotel Del Rey. Havana Club. Campo Alegre. Blackbeards. Even some relatively smaller gems, like Carolina's, Pachi's, and The Cocal. And my personal sentimental favorite -- Oxygen.
But the one I always regret missing was Help. That place closed just before I started into the hobby, and all I heard was stories about it ever since. I missed that one. Even if Angeles is a shadow of its former self, I don't want to miss it.
Other than AC, the only other place left on the bucket list is Scandallo.I've been lucky. I experienced a lot of the top mongering destinations in the early 2 Ks after my divorce. FKK at $40/ fuck full GFE with girls from all over Europe, AC as low as 500 P / ST or 1000 P all night and you had to kick them out. Thailand where 500 B would get a sweet young 18 yo with BBFS and non pros that would stay 3 days for less than 100 $ and make all your fantasies come true. Termas where anal was standard for 50 bucks or so a pop and even Singapore where hot Viets from Ipanema would come all night for $100 or so. Even Japan and Korea were accessible for reasonable cost fucks. The only place I regret not finding earlier was Jakarta. I only discovered that recently.
Hmmm. Interesting approach. I will have to consider that IF I find one or two girls satisfying enough to spend my whole time with.
And like yourself, I have heard much discussion about how it is in decline. I am not surprised. Actually, I think that punting around the world is in decline. A lot of it is that I just want to experience the place. I will be sure to keep my expectations in check.
Manny, if you want to have a good time you will.
Although AC definitely isn't my preferred destination in The Phils, I've always got what I wanted.
I've just used a different approach, as the lady drinks and barfines are ridiculous.
Time for the customers to call the shots was my approach. And it works.
_ Phil.
Correct, they no longer offer the free courtesy car to WS. What's with you mongers? Just walk there and get a trike back when you've picked up your hottie. I only gave the trike drivers 100 peso each time and no one complained.ED, good to see you're still alive and kicking.
I find ABC that awkward distance from Walking Street: too far for a quick walk and too close to tolerate sitting in traffic / trikes.
The enclosed car was far more comfortable than rattling around in a trike amongst all the noise and pollution. The money was inconsequential. The "free" car cost the same when a tip was left for the driver.
Cheers. G.
What's with you mongers? Just walk there and get a trike back when you've picked up your hottie. .That struck me too. I seldom getb trikes or jeepneys. Simpler to walk on the "sidewalks". Safety from mugging is an issue.
I've been lucky. I experienced a lot of the top mongering destinations in the early 2 Ks after my divorce. FKK at $40/ fuck full GFE with girls from all over Europe, AC as low as 500 P / ST or 1000 P all night and you had to kick them out. Thailand where 500 B would get a sweet young 18 yo with BBFS and non pros that would stay 3 days for less than 100 $ and make all your fantasies come true. Termas where anal was standard for 50 bucks or so a pop and even Singapore where hot Viets from Ipanema would come all night for $100 or so. Even Japan and Korea were accessible for reasonable cost fucks. The only place I regret not finding earlier was Jakarta. I only discovered that recently.Mr. Expat, if you were active in the scene in the early 2 k's, you probably experienced the best of it!
Speaking of Jakarta, have you ever tried a place called Illegals? I did a few days in Jakarta in 2017. What I remember was that it had all these great fantasy rooms that you could use for free. I would have sampled if I had found any of the ladies appealing, which I didn't. But I was always curious about its potential. I had never seen a place with fantasy rooms before.
In the days after I left, I regretted not using the "business office" fantasy room. I would have gotten a kick out of "harassing a secretary!
Mr. Expat, if you were active in the scene in the early 2 k's, you probably experienced the best of it!
Speaking of Jakarta, have you ever tried a place called Illegals? I did a few days in Jakarta in 2017. What I remember was that it had all these great fantasy rooms that you could use for free. I would have sampled if I had found any of the ladies appealing, which I didn't. But I was always curious about its potential. I had never seen a place with fantasy rooms before.
In the days after I left, I regretted not using the "business office" fantasy room. I would have gotten a kick out of "harassing a secretary!Manny,
You don't need Fantasy Rooms. I wouldn't know but I heard some rumours that hotel business centres can be deserted late at night. This is around the time that you might be bringing Ms Rightnow back from the club, no?? A convenient consequence.
An old post but it may prompt some ideas for you beyond the run of the mill locations:
abnatt,
sorry, i cant give specific locations....
They all translate well to the Philippines generally and some are available in AC
Enjoy. G.
......But the one I always regret missing was Help. That place closed just before I started into the hobby, and all I heard was stories about it ever since. I missed that one........I was a young man in the 70's when I would go to discos and most nights leave empty handed. Then I went to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil and visited Help a club with girls hotter than what I used to see in the discos and was guaranteed to leave with a hottie at my side. Good times.
Old And Ugly
10-11-24, 17:15
I was a young man in the 70's when I would go to discos and most nights leave empty handed. Then I went to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil and visited Help a club with girls hotter than what I used to see in the discos and was guaranteed to leave with a hottie at my side. Good times.Help or "Helpi" as the girls pronounced the name of the disco, was the best place ever, I spent a lot of time there, after they closed it, I discovered SEA, not as good, but the next suitable mongering destination.
Old And Ugly
10-11-24, 17:22
Mr. Expat, if you were active in the scene in the early 2 k's, you probably experienced the best of it!
Speaking of Jakarta, have you ever tried a place called Illegals? I did a few days in Jakarta in 2017. What I remember was that it had all these great fantasy rooms that you could use for free. I would have sampled if I had found any of the ladies appealing, which I didn't. But I was always curious about its potential. I had never seen a place with fantasy rooms before.
In the days after I left, I regretted not using the "business office" fantasy room. I would have gotten a kick out of "harassing a secretary!Never been to Jakarta, but I been planning to do a trip there for a few years now, maybe this winter I take a flight there. Is there scene like in AC where you take the girls to the hotel? Or you're confined in to the brothel's compound?
Old And Ugly
10-11-24, 17:30
That struck me too. I seldom getb trikes or jeepneys. Simpler to walk on the "sidewalks". Safety from mugging is an issue.I walked all over AC at night, places where most foreigners doesn't even know it exists, and never had a problem, maybe I was just lucky, so I wouldn't be too worried about mugging in the short stretch from ABC to the Walking St.
On the other hand I wouldn't do that in manila, I saw a guy dragged out of a car at a red light late at night with a huge kitchen knife pressed against his ribcage.
Old And Ugly
10-11-24, 19:48
It seems that tonight there is some sort of biker's night out, guys from different clubs are roaming around walking street and the surroundings. I talked to few of them, pretty cool guys, here for mostly the same reasons like the rest of us.
...Is there scene like in AC where you take the girls to the hotel? Or you're confined in to the brothel's compound?There is a huge out call scene in Jakarta. The differences with AC is that the girls are generally freelancers and the bars / clubs / discos are scattered all over town vs one Walking Street type arrangement where they are door to door. Like AC, you will struggle to find a hotel that isn't girl friendly and happy to accept guests.
Blok M still technically exists but it's a shadow of its former self and not really worth visiting.
I guess another difference would be that many of the top bars are within, and operated by, the 5 star hotels vs the stand alone establishments that you see in the Philippines. Think Aqua bar in ABC.
Of course, this is on top of all the incall clubs and bordellos.
Definitely worth comparison shopping if you don't mind the traffic, pollution and general craziness that is Jakarta.
Enjoy. G.
Old And Ugly
10-12-24, 06:09
There is a huge out call scene in Jakarta. The differences with AC is that the girls are generally freelancers and the bars / clubs / discos are scattered all over town vs one Walking Street type arrangement where they are door to door. Like AC, you will struggle to find a hotel that isn't girl friendly and happy to accept guests.
Blok M still technically exists but it's a shadow of its former self and not really worth visiting.
I guess another difference would be that many of the top bars are within, and operated by, the 5 star hotels vs the stand alone establishments that you see in the Philippines. Think Aqua bar in ABC.
Of course, this is on top of all the incall clubs and bordellos.
Definitely worth comparison shopping if you don't mind the traffic, pollution and general craziness that is Jakarta.
Enjoy. G.Thanks, I will check it out anyway, out of boredom, combined with a visa run.
Old And Ugly
10-12-24, 06:44
Came to AC this week to renew my card, I arrived one day before my GF, I successfully applied my 3 some technique to 2 girls from lollypop, and the result was porn movie style, it worked well.
After the GF arrival we tried twice in 2 different days an attempt to do a 3 some, both times with freelancers, both times was a total failure, the reason we sent them away, before we started, was: smelly pussy, and that's after they showered. I don't know what's going on, but in the past this was extremely rare in SEA, and I always praised the SEA girls for their cleanliness, compared to the rest of the world.
Hello everyone.
Not sure if you guys are the right people to ask but worth a shot.
I'm looking to barfine a lady boy. Do you guys know which bars have ladyboys?
I'll only barfine them rather than freelancers even though it's cheaper it's not work the risk of them disappointing in bed it not being clean.
Came to AC this week to renew my card, I arrived one day before my GF, I successfully applied my 3 some technique to 2 girls from lollypop, and the result was porn movie style, it worked well.
After the GF arrival we tried twice in 2 different days an attempt to do a 3 some
Thanks, I will check it out anyway, out of boredom, combined with a visa run.Take your girl friend. There are numerous places that specialise in two-fer deals. One has even been advertising a three-fer special. From memory it was two 19 year olds for 500 k /$32. That's combined not each.
Be careful, you may never come back. I don't know anyone who would regard Jakarta as second best to AC.
Enjoy. G.
Anyone in AC can still find fulfillment and satisfaction in the bars. Lot of girls take Sundays off but still plenty available.
Old And Ugly
10-13-24, 11:40
Tried to barfine a good looking one in soya, I was told: sorry koreans only.
Tried to barfine another good looking one in baccara, I was told: sorry, she's reserved by a korean.
I ended up with a even better looking one that I didn't see first from the upper floor at baccara.
Hello everyone.
Not sure if you guys are the right people to ask but worth a shot.
I'm looking to barfine a lady boy. Do you guys know which bars have ladyboys?
I'll only barfine them rather than freelancers even though it's cheaper it's not work the risk of them disappointing in bed it not being clean.If you want to live long in this forum please abide to its rules. There's a specific one reading:
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WestCoast1
10-14-24, 08:50
Hello everyone.
Not sure if you guys are the right people to ask but worth a shot.
I'm looking to barfine a lady boy. Do you guys know which bars have ladyboys?
I'll only barfine them rather than freelancers even though it's cheaper it's not work the risk of them disappointing in bed it not being clean.BM is right, keep that off the board. Send me a PM.
Hello everyone.
Not sure if you guys are the right people to ask but worth a shot.
I'm looking to barfine a lady boy. Do you guys know which bars have ladyboys?
I'll only barfine them rather than freelancers even though it's cheaper it's not work the risk of them disappointing in bed it not being clean.Mate, I've seen other guys have advised against looking for advice on LB's on here, which is the normal.
Even if you're bar fining a girl in the Phils, it doesn't mean you're going to get a better performance than a FL can provide in bed.
(And freelancers don't necessarily have to be a street worker).
As for clean, good luck.
We're all fucking people who have probably fucked someone else the day, week or a month prior.
(It's reality, despite all the messages you may receive afterwards from them telling you how much they miss and love you).
If you're playing the game, so are they.
I'm sure some of the other guys have, or will, give you advice via DM on this topic _ Phil.
KenjiYoshioka
10-14-24, 20:23
Mate, I've seen other guys have advised against looking for advice on LB's on here, which is the normal.
Even if you're bar fining a girl in the Phils, it doesn't mean you're going to get a better performance than a FL can provide in bed.
(And freelancers don't necessarily have to be a street worker).
As for clean, good luck.
We're all fucking people who have probably fucked someone else the day, week or a month prior.
(It's reality, despite all the messages you may receive afterwards from them telling you how much they miss and love you).
If you're playing the game, so are they.
I'm sure some of the other guys have, or will, give you advice via DM on this topic _ Phil.I'the amend that one statement to say, "They're playing the game even if you aren't. ".
Tomorrow I bonk a genuine porn star with lots of x rated videos under her belt. She gave me her name and I reverse searched her photo. Price is very reasonable for Europe.
I post this here as I think it was be a flop, ie porn star experience. She looks nice but I am sure her head is gone. I doubt she made the grade as they spit them out quick.
I have done 3 somes and usually they too are flops as the women see it as two pay days instead of one.
Have to get ready for my big day. The most annoying this with all this, 3 somes in particular, are the fake groans, them pretending they are cuming.
I have been going to Angeles since early 90's. Been hesitating on this last trip due to some negative statements being made about the way it is now with the Koreans buying most of the bars. I mean my first trip was great and all subsequent trips were also. I did a week trip in September. It still had the road construction happening but it really didn't deter my having to do what I do. Yes the Korean are more now with the bars ownership and it was not as it was years ago. Still I had a great time. Did some bar hopping and barfine or two. Personally I rater do Pinalove as I get alot of girls wanting to meet up upon arrival, so much so that I couldn't meet with them all. The bars were fun but not as fun of years past. Pinalove have was the most cost efficient. I did do two barfines at the bar and it was either 4000-5000 pesos. Boy did the fines went up. The barfine girls were both fun and don't regret it, but I paid 3000 pesos meeting with the Pinalove girls which was equally enjoyable. On an personal level the Korean bars girls were to damn pretty and prissy for my liking anyways. I prefer average looking girls as they are more down to earth and are more willing to please I think. I had a good time visiting despite the negative views of some. I just made the most of what is offered and I wasn't disappointed. I still plan on when I retire to do longer stays. In my opinion it is not even close to the prior years, but you have to change up your thinking and move differently. If your adaptable you will enjoy it still. My stats, 56 year old African American. I will be going back next year as I do enjoy the Philippines as well as the Dominican Republic. Will be going to Eastern Europe next year also as I lived in Bulgaria for a year and enjoyed my time there. No play by play in this thread but trust me when I say I had a great time and the trip was worth the long flight and cost.
Boy did the fines went up. The barfine girls were both fun and don't regret it, but I paid 3000 pesos meeting with the Pinalove girls which was equally enjoyable....I've found many PinaLove girls in AC promise full overnight for the 3 k. Did you find they kept to this or were they one shot runners??
LT has been the only way I've found to solve morning wood in PI.
Glad you enjoyed your trip. G.
I've found many PinaLove girls in AC promise full overnight for the 3 k. Did you find they kept to this or were they one shot runners??
LT has been the only way I've found to solve morning wood in PI.
Glad you enjoyed your trip. G.Personally I want them to leave after as I prefer to sleep in my bed alone, though one stayed until morning as she apparently enjoyed the A. See.
I have been going to Angeles since early 90's. Been hesitating on this last trip due to some negative statements being made about the way it is now with the Koreans buying most of the bars. I mean my first trip was great and all subsequent trips were also. I did a week trip in September. It still had the road construction happening but it really didn't deter my having to do what I do. Yes the Korean are more now with the bars ownership and it was not as it was years ago. Still I had a great time. Did some bar hopping and barfine or two. Personally I rater do Pinalove as I get alot of girls wanting to meet up upon arrival, so much so that I couldn't meet with them all. The bars were fun but not as fun of years past. Pinalove have was the most cost efficient. I did do two barfines at the bar and it was either 4000-5000 pesos. Boy did the fines went up. The barfine girls were both fun and don't regret it, but I paid 3000 pesos meeting with the Pinalove girls which was equally enjoyable. On an personal level the Korean bars girls were to damn pretty and prissy for my liking anyways. I prefer average looking girls as they are more down to earth and are more willing to please I think. I had a good time visiting despite the negative views of some. I just made the most of what is offered and I wasn't disappointed. I still plan on when I retire to do longer stays. In my opinion it is not even close to the prior years, but you have to change up your thinking and move differently. If your adaptable you will enjoy it still. My stats, 56 year old African American. I will be going back next year as I do enjoy the Philippines as well as the Dominican Republic. Will be going to Eastern Europe next year also as I lived in Bulgaria for a year and enjoyed my time there. No play by play in this thread but trust me when I say I had a great time and the trip was worth the long flight and cost.No penthouse play by play needed. Thanks for the genuine report.
Maybe read again what I was saying, they are all hookers, but some may be already taken, and in there just for fun, therefore observe their entourage before wasting you time. Just find any that's by herself, and ask directly how much? I don't think you will get turned down. I don't know what's the going rate, because I always been there accompanied and not looking for it, also at my age I would look ridiculous on the dance floor, but I assume it's just like the street price, 1500 to whatever they can get out of you. And yes I saw many of my old barfines there, and they were all looking to make some money afterwork, or if barfined already, just trying to get the guy tired and drunk, so they have less workload. Not trying to prove you or anyone else wrong, I'm way pass that. Just sharing some "wisdom".The cutest and hardcore resident Mega girls are going to want bottles and hookah. After all the tipping you can have a pricey night out. The Thai equivalent to Mega is not as pricey. I think the cheapest Mega bottle was $70 last spring. All the bottles I bought easily rolled over $100.
Steliosman
10-15-24, 07:57
Hello everyone, going next week to AC, if anyone knows and wants to give me some girls connections which are value for money, please let me know.
Steliosman
10-15-24, 08:00
No penthouse play by play needed. Thanks for the genuine report.Hello I will be in AC next week, if you are willing to share some value for money freelancers please let me know.
Hey fellas.
I have been reading back the forum, as well as some notes I made in my first visit 5-6 years ago. Just trying to get an understanding of how much money to bring.
First, most posts have been saying that the Bar Fine on WAlking street is 4-5 k. My understanding was that you then had to pay a negotiated "tip" with the girl, whether ST or LT. What is a working average asking tip that I can expect for ST / LT?
Are we really talking about 7-9 k total per ST session? Oh my, things have changed! I thought that AC was supposed to be LESS expensive then Makati.
Secondly, do bars take your bar purchases off the bar fine total, like they do in Manila?
Thanks in advance!
Indy Hundred
10-16-24, 05:08
A couple of you have mentioned that this kind of posting goes against forum guidelines but if I may: I have been noticing the occasional advertisement on the top of the ISG page promoting Phone Sex with Ladyboys. So. If the Admin is willing to make money on it, it should be open to discuss on this forum.
Hello everyone.
Not sure if you guys are the right people to ask but worth a shot.
I'm looking to barfine a lady boy. Do you guys know which bars have ladyboys?
I'll only barfine them rather than freelancers even though it's cheaper it's not work the risk of them disappointing in bed it not being clean..
A couple of you have mentioned that this kind of posting goes against forum guidelines but if I may: I have been noticing the occasional advertisement on the top of the ISG page promoting Phone Sex with Ladyboys. So. If the Admin is willing to make money on it, it should be open to discuss on this forum.
.Those ads you mention would be factored from your browsing, not the admin's priorities. Though the ads would be concentratedon the ISG's main mission, they would be tweaked for the indovidual user's preferences. Nothng to do with the admin.
WestCoast1
10-16-24, 10:35
First, most posts have been saying that the Bar Fine on WAlking street is 4-5 k. My understanding was that you then had to pay a negotiated "tip" with the girl, whether ST or LT. What is a working average asking tip that I can expect for ST / LT? Are we really talking about 7-9 k total per ST session? Oh my, things have changed! I thought that AC was supposed to be LESS expensive then Makati.Suggested reading from Sir Goferring, regarding the tip (or no tip) in AC. Burgos / Makati has the added morning tip, bringing the total price to the p9-10,000 for an evening. That's p4 k barfine (most bars) + p5 k morning tip for good service + bar drinks. For most Burgos bars this is the same price as precovid. AC does not have this added tip, making most barfine totals for the evening about p4-6 k; a definite doubling of pre-covid prices. See his more explicit reports:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2917656&viewfull=1#post2917656
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2834540&viewfull=1#post2834540
Secondly, do bars take your bar purchases off the bar fine total, like they do in Manila?Not anymore. Many stopped doing it both in AC and Burgos before covid. Sad. From the punter's perspective, its more monetarily advantageous to buy as few drinks as possible now.
Those ads you mention would be factored from your browsing, not the admin's priorities. Though the ads would be concentratedon the ISG's main mission, they would be tweaked for the indovidual user's preferences. Nothng to do with the admin.There must be websites with discussions on Lbs somewhere on the internet. I'd advise guys so inclined to do some research.
Old And Ugly
10-16-24, 21:51
Hey fellas.
I have been reading back the forum, as well as some notes I made in my first visit 5-6 years ago. Just trying to get an understanding of how much money to bring.
First, most posts have been saying that the Bar Fine on WAlking street is 4-5 k. My understanding was that you then had to pay a negotiated "tip" with the girl, whether ST or LT. What is a working average asking tip that I can expect for ST / LT?
Are we really talking about 7-9 k total per ST session? Oh my, things have changed! I thought that AC was supposed to be LESS expensive then Makati.
Secondly, do bars take your bar purchases off the bar fine total, like they do in Manila?
Thanks in advance!AC still way cheaper than Manila. 4-5 k barfine, 500 a drink for you and one for her, then a tip when you're done depending on performance, but no more than 1 k.
Or you can go to the Perimeter and barfine for 2. 5 K, or go to a BJ bar for 1-1. 5 K.
Old And Ugly
10-16-24, 22:03
The cutest and hardcore resident Mega girls are going to want bottles and hookah. After all the tipping you can have a pricey night out. The Thai equivalent to Mega is not as pricey. I think the cheapest Mega bottle was $70 last spring. All the bottles I bought easily rolled over $100.Yes that is pricey, I never bought more than a few SMGs or cocktails when in there, never sat at the VIP tables.
I go in there just if absolutely necessary, like if I have 2 BFs that don't know each other, to have them dance together and break the ice, as a warm up for the upcoming 3 some.
Old And Ugly
10-16-24, 23:08
Tomorrow I bonk a genuine porn star with lots of x rated videos under her belt. She gave me her name and I reverse searched her photo. Price is very reasonable for Europe.
I post this here as I think it was be a flop, ie porn star experience. She looks nice but I am sure her head is gone. I doubt she made the grade as they spit them out quick.
I have done 3 somes and usually they too are flops as the women see it as two pay days instead of one.
Have to get ready for my big day. The most annoying this with all this, 3 somes in particular, are the fake groans, them pretending they are cuming.With some effort and preparations you can have a real 3 some, no fakery. Very rare it will be handed to you on a plate, but sometimes things are just happening. I had an extremely intense one few days ago with multiple real orgasms from both my GF, and the one I BF for us, that after 2 previous failures. And back to the the part when things may be just happening without even expecting it to happen: my GF left AC 5 hours before me, and I had a cute young massage girl in the room, just out of boredom. I wanted a massage, but somehow out of habit, I ended up with her naked enthusiastically sucking on my dick, she was nice, good looking, which is rare for a massage girl, and she was skilled, but my equipment was malfunctioning, maybe because I was tired or stressed about the long ride ahead of me and my things not being packed yet, also the milk in the cappuccino I just drank was starting to make strange noises in my belly, So I told her to stop sucking and started some conversation and made an excuse (which was actually true) that my GF made me come not too long ago, and I need some time to regenerate. She was still sucking while talking to me in-between, so I asked if she will do a 3 some with my GF when we're in AC next time, and she said no. But here comes the surprise: she said that she likes liking pussy but only with one of her coworkers, a specific one, and sometimes they are doing it alone, but they prefer to have a man involved too, because they don't consider themselves lesbians. Naturally I asked for a pic of her friend, which she said is gorgeous, She wiped off her hands full of her saliva, grabbed her phone and showed her to me, not ugly, but I didn't really liked her face, and I couldn't see the body well, but she said it was slim-athletic like hers. As you can see it may happen to find interesting things along the way when you least expect them. Of course I will try them next time when in town, in a few weeks hopefully. Good I wasn't horny at the time because sometimes I can take stupid rush decisions, like changing the flight for a latter time because of special events like this.
P.S.
It happened to me many times to realize that the general perception of beauty is very different for filipinas, they may consider some faces very beautiful, and they look like pigs to me. I think they have the tendencies to like fat looking faces.
Suggested reading from Sir Goferring, regarding the tip (or no tip) in AC. Burgos / Makati has the added morning tip, bringing the total price to the p9-10,000 for an evening. That's p4 k barfine (most bars) + p5 k morning tip for good service + bar drinks. For most Burgos bars this is the same price as precovid. AC does not have this added tip, making most barfine totals for the evening about p4-6 k; a definite doubling of pre-covid prices. See his more explicit reports:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2917656&viewfull=1#post2917656
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2834540&viewfull=1#post2834540
Not anymore. Many stopped doing it both in AC and Burgos before covid. Sad. From the punter's perspective, its more monetarily advantageous to buy as few drinks as possible now.Thanks for the links. Its all clear now. Sorry, I should have read back a little further.
Thanks for the links. Its all clear now. Sorry, I should have read back a little further.Manny,
Westy's info is good. However, be aware that a few bars have tried to position themselves at the exclusive end of the market by simply jacking up their prices up above their competitors. Sometimes this markup can be very large.
This applies to both AC and Burgos so just be mindful of what you commit to before knowing the prices.
It's all in past posts but you may have to read back quite a lot.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
10-17-24, 07:43
Thanks for the links. Its all clear now. Sorry, I should have read back a little further.
Manny,
Westy's info is good. However, be aware that a few bars have tried to position themselves at the exclusive end of the market by simply jacking up their prices up above their competitors. Sometimes this markup can be very large.
This applies to both AC and Burgos so just be mindful of what you commit to before knowing the prices.Yes, things have changed since the covid re-opening. The changes appear to summarily be:
AC) Pre-covid barfines were p2-3 k, with tips not not given unless the gent felt like it (typically a few hundred, sometimes more, or nothing, it was never set in stone). Post covid its p4 and p5 k. A few bars are pushing up to 7 k or more. Still, tips are up to the gent. However with the increase in prices, increase in rich K presence, loss of cheaper western foreigners, girls are feeling more entitled. She might be much less interested in westerners, or completely uninterested. Thus, tipping (or the advanced agreement to tip) to get her to agree to go with you might be needed. Large numbers of Koreans barfine large groups of girls from individual bars at the start of the shift (as much as half of a bar's girls; the hotties), leaving the rest of us with the leftovers. In addition, rich fellas can simply call the mamasan and send a van over to pick up their choice hotties, leaving the rest for you and me. If K's are barfining p5000, and tipping p5000, the rest of the gents will have trouble finding much leftover. Wolfpack bars will cater more to westerners. Some bars offer separate ST and LT rates (ie, p4000ST, and p5000 LT).
There has also been a rise in drinks-only girls. She might feign interest in you for several drinks, as you are chatting barfining her. When you ask for the bill and to barfine her, she might suddenly have 'mens' or such, meaning she can't leave the bar. Its all a ruse to keep you buying her drinks. Also a rise in "I can't leave the bar until 1 am. Its not allowed". You want her, and you stay there buying her drinks until 1 am, and suddenly she has 'mens'. Same scam.
Burgos) Barfines + advanced agreed tip before covid was typically p3900 (BF)+ p4-6 k (tip), the girl set her own tip amount and you dickered (usually) before she would agree to depart the bar with you. Total about p10 k with drinks. After covid, similar, except many bars have uniformly set a blanket-tip amount of p5000 for all girls. Several bars bumped the barfine amount to 5 k, or 7 k. The tip, while agreed upon in advance with the girl, was then and still is a tip. If she gives crappy service or runs in the night with only 1 pop, you can accordingly adjust the tip down. Alternately if she exceeds your expectations you can give her more.
In both AC and Burgos, there has been an increase in middle of the night runners.
Old And Ugly
10-17-24, 08:23
With some effort and preparations you can have a real 3 some, no fakery. Very rare it will be handed to you on a plate, but sometimes things are just happening. I had an extremely intense one few days ago with multiple real orgasms from both my GF, and the one I BF for us, that after 2 previous failures. And back to the the part when things may be just happening without even expecting it to happen: my GF left AC 5 hours before me, and I had a cute young massage girl in the room, just out of boredom. I wanted a massage, but somehow out of habit, I ended up with her naked enthusiastically sucking on my dick, she was nice, good looking, which is rare for a massage girl, and she was skilled, but my equipment was malfunctioning, maybe because I was tired or stressed about the long ride ahead of me and my things not being packed yet, also the milk in the cappuccino I just drank was starting to make strange noises in my belly, So I told her to stop sucking and started some conversation and made an excuse (which was actually true) that my GF made me come not too long ago, and I need some time to regenerate. She was still sucking while talking to me in-between, so I asked if she will do a 3 some with my GF when we're in AC next time, and she said no. But here comes the surprise: she said that she likes liking pussy but only with one of her coworkers, a specific one, and sometimes they are doing it alone, but they prefer to have a man involved too, because they don't consider themselves lesbians. Naturally I asked for a pic of her friend, which she said is gorgeous, She wiped off her hands full of her saliva, grabbed her phone and showed her to me, not ugly, but I didn't really liked her face, and I couldn't see the body well, but she said it was slim-athletic like hers. As you can see it may happen to find interesting things along the way when you least expect them. Of course I will try them next time when in town, in a few weeks hopefully. Good I wasn't horny at the time because sometimes I can take stupid rush decisions, like changing the flight for a latter time because of special events like this.
P.S.
It happened to me many times to realize that the general perception of beauty is very different for filipinas, they may consider some faces very beautiful, and they look like pigs to me. I think they have the tendencies to like fat looking faces.Just downloaded pics from my phone to my laptop, did not master the technique of posting directly from the phone. This is the masseuse in question.
Old And Ugly
10-17-24, 08:26
Yes, things have changed since the covid re-opening. The changes appear to summarily be:
AC) Pre-covid barfines were p2-3 k, with tips not not given unless the gent felt like it (typically a few hundred, sometimes more, or nothing, it was never set in stone). Post covid its p4 and p5 k. A few bars are pushing up to 7 k or more. Still, tips are up to the gent. However with the increase in prices, increase in rich K presence, loss of cheaper western foreigners, girls are feeling more entitled. She might be much less interested in westerners, or completely uninterested. Thus, tipping (or the advanced agreement to tip) to get her to agree to go with you might be needed. Large numbers of Koreans barfine large groups of girls from individual bars at the start of the shift (as much as half of a bar's girls; the hotties), leaving the rest of us with the leftovers. In addition, rich fellas can simply call the mamasan and send a van over to pick up their choice hotties, leaving the rest for you and me. If K's are barfining p5000, and tipping p5000, the rest of the gents will have trouble finding much leftover. Wolfpack bars will cater more to westerners. Some bars offer separate ST and LT rates (ie, p4000ST, and p5000 LT).
There has also been a rise in drinks-only girls. She might feign interest in you for several drinks, as you are chatting barfining her. When you ask for the bill and to barfine her, she might suddenly have 'mens' or such, meaning she can't leave the bar. Its all a ruse to keep you buying her drinks. Also a rise in "I can't leave the bar until 1 am. Its not allowed". You want her, and you stay there buying her drinks until 1 am, and suddenly she has 'mens'. Same scam.
Burgos) Barfines + advanced agreed tip before covid was typically p3900 (BF)+ p4-6 k (tip), the girl set her own tip amount and you dickered (usually) before she would agree to depart the bar with you. Total about p10 k with drinks. After covid, similar, except many bars have uniformly set a blanket-tip amount of p5000 for all girls. Several bars bumped the barfine amount to 5 k, or 7 k. The tip, while agreed upon in advance with the girl, was then and still is a tip. If she gives crappy service or runs in the night with only 1 pop, you can accordingly adjust the tip down. Alternately if she exceeds your expectations you can give her more.
In both AC and Burgos, there has been an increase in middle of the night runners.Don't forget the huge increase in young mongers, something rarely seen before covid. I think is related to the raise in toxic feminism in the west.
Yes, things have changed since the covid re-opening. The tip, while agreed upon in advance with the girl, was then and still is a tip. If she gives crappy service or runs in the night with only 1 pop, you can accordingly adjust the tip down. Alternately if she exceeds your expectations you can give her more.
In both AC and Burgos, there has been an increase in middle of the night runners.Wow, thanks for the great heads up. Actually, I have only done LT a few times, in very controlled settings. And I have never had more than one girl at a time. Always seemed too complicated to me. But I guess there is a first time for everything. And I figure, AC is a better place than most for first times.
In regards to LT: Is the barfine higher for LT? I figure you can hold the tip until the morning, and not tip her if she runs. But you still lose the bar fine premium.
Any tips or warnings for handling threesomes?
Thanks in advance!
In regards to LT: Is the barfine higher for LT? I figure you can hold the tip until the morning, and not tip her if she runs. But you still lose the bar fine premium.
Any tips or warnings for handling threesomes?
Thanks in advance!In most places, yes. Most girls are keen to be able to return early enough to try for a second barfine and will price / act accordingly. However, some do have the same ST / LT barfines. Just ask.
In AC, you have very little remedy if the girl decides to do a runner after one pop. She will generally start off polite with some BS excuse why she suddenly needs to leave. If you disagree, then she will make your life a living hell and give you the shitz to the point that you throw her out. Of course, once you do this, you have no recourse to complaints or compensation. It's now all your fault. It's very, very rarely worth it to force a girl who does not want to be there to stay. Just cut your losses and move on.*
Lots of discussion here recently on threesomes. Good ones can be great. However, they are easily the most over promised, under delivered kink in the Philippines. It's pretty simple: if it sounds too good to be true, then it likely is.
Many reports here on risks and methods so just read back.
Enjoy. G.
*. I should have added that runners are not always malicious. Many girls have study, work or family commitments that they need to get to so can't stay all day or night. Normally they are upfront about this and it's non negotiable.
Old And Ugly
10-18-24, 08:18
Wow, thanks for the great heads up. Actually, I have only done LT a few times, in very controlled settings. And I have never had more than one girl at a time. Always seemed too complicated to me. But I guess there is a first time for everything. And I figure, AC is a better place than most for first times.
In regards to LT: Is the barfine higher for LT? I figure you can hold the tip until the morning, and not tip her if she runs. But you still lose the bar fine premium.
Any tips or warnings for handling threesomes?
Thanks in advance!Usually I don't keep them for LT, but I always, pay for LT, because I don't want the session to be rushed, and I tell them that they don't have to stay until morning, but I want to take my time. Is very important to establish what you want before paying for the goods and services. Ask politely during the interview about what you're expecting. For example if you want CIM, you will ask for it in a nice way: "you have such a pretty mouth, I will like to come in it, can I?" then you can push it further, and double check if is all understood, by asking "what you're going to do? Spit or swallow?" Basically get your interview going without being rude, make her feel wanted, because this is what is actually happening: you want her. For a 3 some, don't scare them, just ask about basic necessary details, like the pussy licking part, because most of them regards it as a one by one thing, not a all in participation event, the rest of the fantasy you'll make it happen, if you don't know how, read some instructions.
Don't forget the huge increase in young mongers, something rarely seen before covid. I think is related to the raise in toxic feminism in the west.Correct. So glad I retired (from USA) in PI in 2022. Got the SRRV Special Retirement Resident Visa so I can come and go as I please. I live in Valencia, near a mountain where its cooler, in Negros Oriental. But it is cheap to travel inter-island to AC, Manila, Subic, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam. All great mongering destinations. I think I will try out Mindinao next year. Fellow mongers say it's great there and the girls might have more boobiage. Valencia / Dumaguete is not great for mongering but I have some regulars here that take care of me for as little as 500 p ($10 USD) or upwards of 3000 p ($60) so it's a bargain. I have a busty beautiful regular in AC that works at Vikings sometimes and she is quite a lover. I pay her 3 - 4 thousand pesos. And there are BJ bars in AC that will suck you off for 1500 p. I'm 69 now and my body count for 2024 is 62 DIFFERENT girls so far this year (October '24). Most were Filipinas but quite a few Thais and and some Indos who are super sexy. And I also go to Dominican Republic annually to see my regulars there who are stacked beyond belief. One girl is 33 now (been seeing her since 2015) and she is a gorgeous 42 F size tits who loves being filmed getting me off. $100. Another one I am taking to Juan Dolio resort for three days where she will suck and fuck me for about $300 for 3 days. She's not that good looking (not ugly either) but she's got 44 triple Dee tits that know how to satisfy me. Get More in Twenty Four is my motto. Cheers, mates.
In most places, yes. Most girls are keen to be able to return early enough to try for a second barfine and will price / act accordingly. However, some do have the same ST / LT barfines. Just ask.
In AC, you have very little remedy if the girl decides to do a runner after one pop. She will generally start off polite with some BS excuse why she suddenly needs to leave. If you disagree, then she will make your life a living hell and give you the shitz to the point that you throw her out. Of course, once you do this, you have no recourse to complaints or compensation. It's now all your fault. It's very, very rarely worth it to force a girl who does not want to be there to stay. Just cut your losses and move on.*.......Don't they stay longer if you're in a hotel like ABC?
Don't they stay longer if you're in a hotel like ABC?Not really if they have to get back home or back to the boarding house sponsor by the mamasan.
Some or most need to be back as the story is they are working as a waitress.
Correct. So glad I retired (from USA) in PI in 2022. Got the SRRV Special Retirement Resident Visa so I can come and go as I please. I live in Valencia, near a mountain where its cooler, in Negros Oriental. But it is cheap to travel inter-island to AC, Manila, Subic, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam. All great mongering destinations. I think I will try out Mindinao next year. Fellow mongers say it's great there and the girls might have more boobiage. Valencia / Dumaguete is not great for mongering but I have some regulars here that take care of me for as little as 500 p ($10 USD) or upwards of 3000 p ($60) so it's a bargain. I have a busty beautiful regular in AC that works at Vikings sometimes and she is quite a lover. I pay her 3 - 4 thousand pesos. And there are BJ bars in AC that will suck you off for 1500 p. I'm 69 now and my body count for 2024 is 62 DIFFERENT girls so far this year (October '24). Most were Filipinas but quite a few Thais and and some Indos who are super sexy. And I also go to Dominican Republic annually to see my regulars there who are stacked beyond belief. One girl is 33 now (been seeing her since 2015) and she is a gorgeous 42 F size tits who loves being filmed getting me off. $100. Another one I am taking to Juan Dolio resort for three days where she will suck and fuck me for about $300 for 3 days. She's not that good looking (not ugly either) but she's got 44 triple Dee tits that know how to satisfy me. Get More in Twenty Four is my motto. Cheers, mates.Hey are you allowed to share the name of the batgirl from vikings or her number?
If I'm allowed I'll give you guys the name of the mamasang who arranged a nice girl for me the other day.
Don't they stay longer if you're in a hotel like ABC?Some are more likely to, yes. However, it's some, not all and it's more likely to, not will.
G.
Old And Ugly
10-19-24, 23:21
Don't they stay longer if you're in a hotel like ABC?Money is all that matters for the BGs, any shitty hotel looks 100 times better than their lodging. In the past I visited all of it, from the common dorms where the new comers sleep on the bare floor, to the "top" apartments in the 5 k range, I lived with many of them in the hood in 3 k apts, just for the sake of adventure. I know for sure that contrary to what anyone else believes, they don't give a fuck where you take them, as long as they can accomplish their sole purpose of being with you: to separate you as quickly as possible and in the most efficient way from your cash. The promise of a tip that mirrors their performance does a lot more than the surrounding where the did takes place.
Old And Ugly
10-24-24, 13:28
Money is all that matters for the BGs, any shitty hotel looks 100 times better than their lodging. In the past I visited all of it, from the common dorms where the new comers sleep on the bare floor, to the "top" apartments in the 5 k range, I lived with many of them in the hood in 3 k apts, just for the sake of adventure. I know for sure that contrary to what anyone else believes, they don't give a fuck where you take them, as long as they can accomplish their sole purpose of being with you: to separate you as quickly as possible and in the most efficient way from your cash. The promise of a tip that mirrors their performance does a lot more than the surrounding where the did takes place.This is how a room looks like at Hotel Royal Amsterdam, the couch comes handy when getting a BJ while doing stuff on your phone.
Old And Ugly
10-24-24, 13:39
1 AM midweek, max availability.
1 AM midweek, max availability.Still a few nice bodies there.
Old And Ugly
10-25-24, 09:50
Still a few nice bodies there.That's what I'm saying, 1000 girls, nobody to take them.
That's what I'm saying, 1000 girls, nobody to take them.To fuck a starfish ST and pay 8000 Peso. For sure there is no taker.
Old And Ugly
10-25-24, 18:15
To fuck a starfish ST and pay 8000 Peso. For sure there is no taker.Well, we're paying here 1500-5000 LT, and I never had a starfish, maybe you're not doing something right.
NapaSlapper
10-26-24, 09:58
To fuck a starfish ST and pay 8000 Peso. For sure there is no taker.I think in truth there are several reasons why the town is very very quiet and girls are still in the bar near closing time and have not been bar fined.
1, there are very few girls that are pretty young and slim working on angeles bars.
2,The very few girls that have ok looks and are fairly young can earn more money as drinks only girls from high salaries, large drinks commissions, tips and making it rain money all without fucking anyone.
3, Of course some of the younger, cuter girls are cherry girls (virgins) and as such will not fuck for a living.
4,Of the few ok looking girls most are asian only girls as in as much they will only give attention, drink, fuck with asians, this is plain to see in many bars, group of westerners walk into a bar and bar girls mainly ignore such, group of asians walk info any bar and the girls go crazy with excitement, smiling, screaming and generally very eager to be chosen for drinks.
5, The biggest kicker is that even if the princess bar girl accepts a bar fine and promises the world in the bar and that she will fuck, suck and stay long time many times once the whole bar fine has been paid in full at the bar (bar and girls share up front) then there is very little incentive for the said bar girl to perform any of the promised service back at the room, try to complain to the bar that the girl would not fuck, suck or stay the agreed time will be met by the standard answer from the bar of sir, prostitution is highly illegal in the phills as such all the punter paid very large sums of money for was in fact just for the bar to release said girl on early work release (ewr) and at no time is sex a part of that payment.
Its not rocket science, why should guys travel half way around the world at great expense, pay high ewr prices, extortunate lady drinks prices for very mediocre girls that can be very choosy who they give attention and some pussy too.
As many have said over multiple trip reports many won't be back to angeles, preferring to visit other asian destinations that have thousands more asian girls that are far slimmer, younger and better looking with no prejudice who they fuck with and who accept payment of such once the deed has been done and the customer satisfied at very similar or cheaper prices than angeles.
LoveItHere69
10-26-24, 10:56
Well, we're paying here 1500-5000 LT, and I never had a starfish, maybe you're not doing something right.It is getting harder to get street girls for ST for 1500 p. Near impossible to get a pretty bar girl for ST for 1500 p. Either you are hunting in another pond (not AC) or your girls are old or fat or something. 1500 p for LT is very hard to believe.
Well, we're paying here 1500-5000 LT, and I never had a starfish, maybe you're not doing something right.You are talking about FL's.
But the pics showing bargirls: BF plus LD plus tips. Get real.
Its not rocket science, why should guys travel half way around the world at great expense, pay high ewr prices, extortunate lady drinks prices for very mediocre girls that can be very choosy who they give attention and some pussy too.
As many have said over multiple trip reports many won't be back to angeles, preferring to visit other asian destinations that have thousands more asian girls that are far slimmer, younger and better looking with no prejudice who they fuck with and who accept payment of such once the deed has been done and the customer satisfied at very similar or cheaper prices than angeles.Napa, you make some really good points.
As I've mentioned previously, I've only visited AC when my work has taken me to the vicinity.
And it's not my scene.
Back in the day, maybe.
Yes, it's obvious the Koreans have taken over and the place is a shithole.
The prices are sky high and if you're an international traveler, it's probably a better option to pay the same at home.
Or _ discover there are many other places in the Phils where you can hook up with some beautiful Filipinas and form genuine 'friendships' with.
Just because AC may have seen its best times, the Phils is a blast with some absolutely gorgeous women.
Just my opinion _ Phil.
It is getting harder to get street girls for ST for 1500 p. Near impossible to get a pretty bar girl for ST for 1500 p. Either you are hunting in another pond (not AC) or your girls are old or fat or something. 1500 p for LT is very hard to believe.I'm in the Philippines now and prices are around 3 k pesos (500).
Old And Ugly
10-26-24, 23:27
You are talking about FL's.
But the pics showing bargirls: BF plus LD plus tips. Get real.2 postings about 2 different things, the one with the pics was about the lack of customers, the other one was about prices and performance in general, has nothing to do with the pics.
Old And Ugly
10-27-24, 00:18
It is getting harder to get street girls for ST for 1500 p. Near impossible to get a pretty bar girl for ST for 1500 p. Either you are hunting in another pond (not AC) or your girls are old or fat or something. 1500 p for LT is very hard to believe.I saw many people with fat girls in tow, I guess that's what they like, and probably this is why the bar owners hire the fat ones, when the majority of girls in the Philippines are slim.
As for me, I assure you that my type is Adriana Lima and Alessandra Ambrosio like they looked 20 years ago. Cannot find that in the PH, but I'm trying my best.
Now about the prices: I was talkin about what you may be able to find out there if you take your time, yes 1500 is the starting price for freelancers and is rarely that low but it exists, sometimes you can find real gems, out on the street or on the app for the first time, in need for tuition money, or rent or who knows what, just don't rush and choose wisely. Also you may find a cute massage girl that just started working, and convince her to do it for the same low price, or you can get some action for that price or less in the BJ bars also, where most of the girls are old fat and ugly, but if you pass by few times a day like I do, when going or coming home, you will see that sometimes there may be a young cutie in there. BGs are avail for 2500 at perimeter bars, and for 4-5000 on walking street. Yes the 1500 ones are not LT, but if you treat them right, not like cattle, occasionally you may find one that doesn't want to leave. I hope this explains my posting.
I never heard of 8000 BF like Amadeuss posted, since Barnana reopened last year, and they gave up on that VIP bullshit pretty quick.
NapaSlapper
10-27-24, 01:38
I saw many people with fat girls in tow, I guess that's what they like, and probably this is why the bar owners hire the fat ones, when the majority of girls in the Philippines are slim.
As for me, I assure you that my type is Adriana Lima and Alessandra Ambrosio like they looked 20 years ago. Cannot find that in the PH, but I'm trying my best.
Now about the prices: I was talkin about what you may be able to find out there if you take your time, yes 1500 is the starting price for freelancers and is rarely that low but it exists, sometimes you can find real gems, out on the street or on the app for the first time, in need for tuition money, or rent or who knows what, just don't rush and choose wisely. Also you may find a cute massage girl that just started working, and convince her to do it for the same low price, or you can get some action for that price or less in the BJ bars also, where most of the girls are old fat and ugly, but if you pass by few times a day like I do, when going or coming home, you will see that sometimes there may be a young cutie in there. BGs are avail for 2500 at perimeter bars, and for 4-5000 on walking street. Yes the 1500 ones are not LT, but if you treat them right, not like cattle, occasionally you may find one that doesn't want to leave. I hope this explains my posting.
I never heard of 8000 BF like Amadeuss posted, since Barnana reopened last year, and they gave up on that VIP bullshit pretty quick.I think in truth you will find that there is no cheap pussy left in angeles and generally one gets what one pays for.
Want to pay 1,500-2,000 peso for a street walker or an online girl then one will get a homeless crack head granny with one tooth in her head.
Want to pay 2,500-3,000 peso for a perimeter road bar girl then she will be fat, old and very plain in looks, on my few visits to perimeter road bars then I can only describe the very few women working there as rough, very rough.
On to walking street bars and girls then fully expect any younger, ok looking girls to be 6,000 peso short time (1 pop, as soon as one cums she's out the door) and as said previously the ok looking girls are not available to whitey.
Prostitutes in general will try to earn the biggest pay day with the least amount of effort, a girl that has the youth, body, looks does not lower her price for any one, why, because she has her choice of drink slutting or many high spending asians fighting to see the colour of her panties.
It is what it is comes to mind, want cheaper and one has to fuck older fatties, want young, slim and ok looking then one has to try to compete with the high spending asians and unfortunately there is only one winner there.
LoveItHere69
10-27-24, 02:29
I'm in the Philippines now and prices are around 3 k pesos (500).You post info but only halfway. Need to be more precise. So is that ST or LT?
Kinda like this:
I am here too. Province: Abra. City Bangued. Bar girl price is 2500 p for 3 hours. 1st bar 9 girls (1 doable). 2nd bar 6 girls (busy drinking with customers so could not see any). 3rd bar 7 girls (no good). Mamasan brought freelancer (nobody is standing in the street) and wanted 2500 p. I gave 2000 p for ST and told her not to return. She was going to be trouble I could feel it. I showed her pix of what I wanted and she was going to keep bringing me girls. The first was fat wearing a hoody sweatshirt to try and hide her size. She brought another which I did not ask for. But the 2nd one was very doable and was very good in bed. Tried to meet her again through Facebook but no go. But I am not trying very hard. Here for waterfalls but the weather is not doing what it is supposed to when I want it to do it. The water level is shrinking much faster than I had expected compared to Cebu.
Old And Ugly
10-27-24, 09:11
I think in truth you will find that there is no cheap pussy left in angeles and generally one gets what one pays for.
Want to pay 1,500-2,000 peso for a street walker or an online girl then one will get a homeless crack head granny with one tooth in her head.
Want to pay 2,500-3,000 peso for a perimeter road bar girl then she will be fat, old and very plain in looks, on my few visits to perimeter road bars then I can only describe the very few women working there as rough, very rough.
On to walking street bars and girls then fully expect any younger, ok looking girls to be 6,000 peso short time (1 pop, as soon as one cums she's out the door) and as said previously the ok looking girls are not available to whitey.
Prostitutes in general will try to earn the biggest pay day with the least amount of effort, a girl that has the youth, body, looks does not lower her price for any one, why, because she has her choice of drink slutting or many high spending asians fighting to see the colour of her panties.
It is what it is comes to mind, want cheaper and one has to fuck older fatties, want young, slim and ok looking then one has to try to compete with the high spending asians and unfortunately there is only one winner there.OK. If you say so. There is no need on my side to argue that.
Here is a pic that I posted before of a "fat" massage girl I picked up to the right of the entrance to the Hotel Royal Amsterdam about 10 days ago, fresh from the rice fields of Samar, I forgot exactly how much I gave her, but was very little, because at that particular moment I was saturated, and got her to my room just out of boredom. From the same exact spot, a few months ago I got another "fat" one that I actually used for a few repeats, and last time I met her, she brought another one with her even more "uglier" than herself, one that I never saw before, or after, and I was staying at HRA, and passing by them 20 times a day, I do have a pic somewhere, if I find it I'll post it.
You need to let go your confrontational attitude, open your eyes, and most importantly, if you're not a weekend warrior: take your time, do little chit chat with the street vendors, give a little to the beggars, feed the street kids once in a while and you may find out that not everything is as it looks at the first glance. The girls see you, and what your doing on the street, and exactly how we categorize them, they do the same about us, and they remember you and treat you accordingly, if they end up in your bed.
I don't need to prove nothing, but I suggest you eat your lunch at Night Moves few days in a row, and spend some time there, then go back to your post, and make some corrections, because there is more than what you see if you just pop your head in and out, there and elsewhere.
Old And Ugly
10-27-24, 10:36
I found one 2023 thumbdrive, here are some more examples of the "fat starfishes" of AC. I do barfine sometimes, when I'm in a hurry, but most of the girls in the pics are freelancers and massage girls, some are repeats, some didn't want to pose naked.
LoveItHere69
10-27-24, 10:42
Want to pay 1,500-2,000 peso for a street walker or an online girl then one will get a homeless crack head granny with one tooth in her head.Earlier this year I had 5 new street girls and 3 were very nice and I repeated several times with each. Paid 1500 - 1700 p ST. I have had over 250 street girls all over the Philippines in the past and never saw any girls over the age of 30 so please stop with all your granny crap talk. I had plans to go straight to Manila when I leave but would love to meet you in Angeles and show pictures of the 3 young pretty girls to you and you can show me these grannies you are so fond of and can not get out of your mind. Also, you can take me to some of your Korean bars and introduce me to all the Korean managers you know so well.
Old And Ugly
10-27-24, 10:59
And, some more "fat starfishes" from past year. I do have lots of videos, but we only do photos here, therefore you can't really hear how "fake" they are.
I hope this brings some clarity in regards to my tastes and preferences. Lately I'm too lazy to take pics, my GF does, but she deleted whatever was on my phone and on her phone, she has jealousy outburst sometimes, even if she pics the girls up, or if she shows up home with one.
Like I said, put some effort in it, treat them well, don't be arrogant, open your eyes and don't rush, the outcome will be a pleasant experience.
You post info but only halfway. Need to be more precise. So is that ST or LT?
Kinda like this:
I am here too. Province: Abra. City Bangued. Bar girl price is 2500 p for 3 hours. 1st bar 9 girls (1 doable). 2nd bar 6 girls (busy drinking with customers so could not see any). 3rd bar 7 girls (no good). Mamasan brought freelancer (nobody is standing in the street) and wanted 2500 p. I gave 2000 p for ST and told her not to return. She was going to be trouble I could feel it. I showed her pix of what I wanted and she was going to keep bringing me girls. The first was fat wearing a hoody sweatshirt to try and hide her size. She brought another which I did not ask for. But the 2nd one was very doable and was very good in bed. Tried to meet her again through Facebook but no go. But I am not trying very hard. Here for waterfalls but the weather is not doing what it is supposed to when I want it to do it. The water level is shrinking much faster than I had expected compared to Cebu.Sorry that's ST but up 3 hours (usually around one hour).
And I'm in Makati, Metro Manila sourcing from PinaLove and then branching off to referrals from the PL girls. Been averaging 3 k for ST BBFS.
I'm in the Philippines now and prices are around 3 k pesos (500).This was supposed to say 3 k plus or minus 500.
Here is a pic that I posted before of a "fat" massage girl I picked up to the right of the entrance to the Hotel Royal Amsterdam about 10 days ago, fresh from the rice fields of Samar, I forgot exactly how much I gave her, but was very little.
You need to let go your confrontational attitude, open your eyes, and most importantly, if you're not a weekend warrior: take your time, do little chit chat with the street vendors, give a little to the beggars, feed the street kids once in a while and you may find out that not everything is as it looks at the first glance. The girls see you, and what your doing on the street, and exactly how we categorize them, they do the same about us, and they remember you and treat you accordingly, if they end up in your bed. Hi O and Ugly, I'd tap that 'fat' girl.
Have to agree with a lot that you say.
Doing non-bar girls is definitely not all doom and gloom as many suggest. They generally turn out to be the best operators from experience and way more personable.
I think it all comes down to experience in The Phils and to know where to search out some great freelance talent.
(If a pretty young thing's prepared to fix / look at your phone for 100 p, she's not going to knock back 1000 p later that day to make sure it's working okay in your room).
Just a nice little tactic I'd thought I'd share _ Phil.
NapaSlapper
10-27-24, 15:19
OK. If you say so. There is no need on my side to argue that.
Here is a pic that I posted before of a "fat" massage girl I picked up to the right of the entrance to the Hotel Royal Amsterdam about 10 days ago, fresh from the rice fields of Samar, I forgot exactly how much I gave her, but was very little, because at that particular moment I was saturated, and got her to my room just out of boredom. From the same exact spot, a few months ago I got another "fat" one that I actually used for a few repeats, and last time I met her, she brought another one with her even more "uglier" than herself, one that I never saw before, or after, and I was staying at HRA, and passing by them 20 times a day, I do have a pic somewhere, if I find it I'll post it.
You need to let go your confrontational attitude, open your eyes, and most importantly, if you're not a weekend warrior: take your time, do little chit chat with the street vendors, give a little to the beggars, feed the street kids once in a while and you may find out that not everything is as it looks at the first glance. The girls see you, and what your doing on the street, and exactly how we categorize them, they do the same about us, and they remember you and treat you accordingly, if they end up in your bed.
I don't need to prove nothing, but I suggest you eat your lunch at Night Moves few days in a row, and spend some time there, then go back to your post, and make some corrections, because there is more than what you see if you just pop your head in and out, there and elsewhere.No need to make any corrections to my post, know night moves bar well, and as I said in my previous post on the girls of perimeter bars including night moves that I never see anything worth even buying a lady drink for let alone wanting to bar fine such even for free.
Old And Ugly
10-27-24, 17:32
Hi O and Ugly, I'd tap that 'fat' girl.
Have to agree with a lot that you say.
Doing non-bar girls is definitely not all doom and gloom as many suggest. They generally turn out to be the best operators from experience and way more personable.
I think it all comes down to experience in The Phils and to know where to search out some great freelance talent.
(If a pretty young thing's prepared to fix / look at your phone for 100 p, she's not going to knock back 1000 p later that day to make sure it's working okay in your room).
Just a nice little tactic I'd thought I'd share _ Phil.Thanks, I never thought about that one, I know exactly where I have to go to fix my "wifi problem".
(I should share one too: the ones still wearing face masks, are "undercover" in search for tuition/rent /etc money and is usually their first time doing it, approach gently)
Old And Ugly
10-27-24, 17:52
You post info but only halfway. Need to be more precise. So is that ST or LT?
Kinda like this:
I am here too. Province: Abra. City Bangued. Bar girl price is 2500 p for 3 hours. 1st bar 9 girls (1 doable). 2nd bar 6 girls (busy drinking with customers so could not see any). 3rd bar 7 girls (no good). Mamasan brought freelancer (nobody is standing in the street) and wanted 2500 p. I gave 2000 p for ST and told her not to return. She was going to be trouble I could feel it. I showed her pix of what I wanted and she was going to keep bringing me girls. The first was fat wearing a hoody sweatshirt to try and hide her size. She brought another which I did not ask for. But the 2nd one was very doable and was very good in bed. Tried to meet her again through Facebook but no go. But I am not trying very hard. Here for waterfalls but the weather is not doing what it is supposed to when I want it to do it. The water level is shrinking much faster than I had expected compared to Cebu.Good info, my GF wants to go to Vigan City, to see something (I forgot what) we will do that in Dec or Jan, I will look for a hotel in Bangued close to the bars, any suggestions?
Old And Ugly
10-28-24, 09:50
No need to make any corrections to my post, know night moves bar well, and as I said in my previous post on the girls of perimeter bars including night moves that I never see anything worth even buying a lady drink for let alone wanting to bar fine such even for free.I know that I have them someplace, but I didn't find them yet, pics with few Night Moves girls, but here are some screen shots from videos (in Paradise, and Live House) with 2 girls from 2 other bars from perimeter, cannot show their faces, but you get a glimpse at the body, they look good to me, I don't know maybe your taste is too elevated for AC. But anyway I think is about time you show us some of your pics, to have an idea what would satisfy you. I don't know, maybe you'll make me change my perspective, and realize that I'm searching in the wrong places. Also buying a ladydrink for an ugly old waitress, may grant you access to hidden knowledge.
I know that I have them someplace, but I didn't find them yet, pics with few Night Moves girls, but here are some screen shots from videos (in Paradise, and Live House) with 2 girls from 2 other bars from perimeter, cannot show their faces, but you get a glimpse at the body, they look good to me, I don't know maybe your taste is too elevated for AC. But anyway I think is about time you show us some of your pics, to have an idea what would satisfy you. I don't know, maybe you'll make me change my perspective, and realize that I'm searching in the wrong places. Also buying a ladydrink for an ugly old waitress, may grant you access to hidden knowledge.You might have post some pxssy pics to show NaySayer what the goal post looks like. He hasn't barfined anything for years if not a decade. Of course he would if there was anything decent for him.
BTW, many locals hang out to drink and socialize at the perimeter bars. Bg there aren't there to turn out daily short times. But still there are 8's available. Especially the new ones in town that don't know the lay of Walking Street. Basically they are in the perimeter bars based on referrals from another girl working there. You can run into a cute newbie by luck.
LoveItHere69
10-28-24, 13:28
Good info, my GF wants to go to Vigan City, to see something (I forgot what) we will do that in Dec or Jan, I will look for a hotel in Bangued close to the bars, any suggestions?Vigan is 60 km / 1. 15 minutes away from Bangued. Very far because not directly across. Need to travel in a "V" pattern. Nothing here to do. Only 22-25 bargirls total but all in one spot along the river north of town. Near 'Abra Community Fish Landing'. Search Rafael's Bar. Little spaces between them all. Guy told me the police here are regular customers there.
I would just find where the girls are in Vigan. Shocker. Vigan is only 10,000 more people than Bangued.
I visited 3 waterfalls nearby. They were worth going to for me even though they are already only at half the water volume. I was not expecting the water level to drop off so fast from the rainy season.
I never recommend hotels because everyone's requirements and judgements are so varied.
WestCoast1
10-28-24, 14:46
but here are some screen shots from videos (in Paradise, and Live House) with 2 girls from 2 other bars from perimeter, cannot show their faces, but you get a glimpse at the body, they look good to me, I don't know maybe your taste is too elevated for AC. They are fine, by any standard.
But anyway I think is about time you show us some of your pics, to have an idea what would satisfy you. He requested numerous times that we provide pics for him to peruse of attractive AC girls. Earlier this year myself, Lance, Transporter, Sailor Jack and others did just that. Apparently none of them were to his standard. We been peppering that fella for several years for him to produce even one of his hottie AC pics. His refusal to do so is not only hypocrisy, it leads many on the Board to believe that he does not in fact live anywhere near AC. Some of us offered to have a drink with him in the bars to discuss girls, but he has shy'd away from that (after suggesting he would).
Like Voldemort, possibly its time we put him on the ignore list and take away the oxygen.
Old And Ugly
10-28-24, 19:25
They are fine, by any standard.
He requested numerous times that we provide pics for him to peruse of attractive AC girls. Earlier this year myself, Lance, Transporter, Sailor Jack and others did just that. Apparently none of them were to his standard. We been peppering that fella for several years for him to produce even one of his hottie AC pics. His refusal to do so is not only hypocrisy, it leads many on the Board to believe that he does not in fact live anywhere near AC. Some of us offered to have a drink with him in the bars to discuss girls, but he has shy'd away from that (after suggesting he would).
Like Voldemort, possibly its time we put him on the ignore list and take away the oxygen.That's what I had in mind, not to answer anymore, but I did it one more time, the last time.
Old And Ugly
10-28-24, 19:57
Vigan is 60 km / 1. 15 minutes away from Bangued. Very far because not directly across. Need to travel in a "V" pattern. Nothing here to do. Only 22-25 bargirls total but all in one spot along the river north of town. Near 'Abra Community Fish Landing'. Search Rafael's Bar. Little spaces between them all. Guy told me the police here are regular customers there.
I would just find where the girls are in Vigan. Shocker. Vigan is only 10,000 more people than Bangued.
I visited 3 waterfalls nearby. They were worth going to for me even though they are already only at half the water volume. I was not expecting the water level to drop off so fast from the rainy season.
I never recommend hotels because everyone's requirements and judgements are so varied.Thanks for the info. Sometimes I just travel aimlessly, if I have a little incentive like the Raffael's Bar it feels better, like I have a mission to accomplish, by getting there.
I was thinking to open some sort of business, like a bar on the beach, or small hotel, etc, not for the profit, just to have the opportunity to hire some beautiful female employees (hihihi), but after talking to many expats that tried it already, and told me about the bureaucratic nightmares that you have to go thru, I gave up on that idea, and I just fill up the time traveling in PH or SEA.
Right now I have one way 1 peso airplane tickets (yes they are real) for me and the GF to BKK at the end of next month, we're going to spend a month, or whatever length we can stay without visa extensions, going around Thailand, then maybe come back, or go someplace else.
I would like to take her to US or EU for a few months, but getting a visa for her is a whole clusterfuck, I will try it next year anyway.
NapaSlapper
10-29-24, 11:33
Its always nice to get away from the grime of angeles city for some days.
Had recent business meetings in Seoul south Korea, followed by meetings in Bangkok, how do these two places compare to angeles city on costs, food, hotels and general girls appearance.
Seoul, had been here on several occasions but every time I'm back I am wowed, spotlessly clean city, every thing super modern, people polite, ready to help, food, drinks, snacks generally 100% more expensive than Angeles, probably the reason koreans throw their money around in the bars of angeles because angeles seems much cheaper to them than home.
Stayed at the lotte hotel seoul executive tower, super nice place (100% recommended) some people claim that angeles abc hotel is 5 star and luxury but in truth even the abc top suites are so far behind compared to the lotte in every way at similar costs.
Korean girls, all one can say is wow, just so many good looking young girls every where, the hotel reception staff, waitresses, mall staff, bank staff were all just stunning, they just don't produce many girls of this quality in the phills.
Bangkok, what can one say, I just love returning to this city, fantastic food for half the price of the crap they serve in Angeles, hotels like for like are half price in Bangkok compared to angeles, beer prices about the same as angeles.
The thai girls are generally so much slimmer, taller, lighter skinned, well dressed and generally much prettier than their pinay cousins, many say yes but pinays speak English, well news is that so do many thai girls, especially those Thai girls that spend large amounts of time around foreigners, in truth angeles just cannot be compared to Bangkok or pattay on any front, can't wait till my next thai trip in all honesty.
NapaSlapper
10-29-24, 11:52
They are fine, by any standard.
He requested numerous times that we provide pics for him to peruse of attractive AC girls. Earlier this year myself, Lance, Transporter, Sailor Jack and others did just that. Apparently none of them were to his standard. We been peppering that fella for several years for him to produce even one of his hottie AC pics. His refusal to do so is not only hypocrisy, it leads many on the Board to believe that he does not in fact live anywhere near AC. Some of us offered to have a drink with him in the bars to discuss girls, but he has shy'd away from that (after suggesting he would).
Like Voldemort, possibly its time we put him on the ignore list and take away the oxygen.Sorry, maybe I'm mistaken westy, thought you put me on ignore many moons ago as you claimed, guess you just can't get enough of a good thing.
As far as girls looks every one has a different taste as has been pointed out to you before on several occasions so not sure why your banging the same old drum, you might like a certain type of girl but you sure won't be getting any competition on your girl choice from me. Sorry if that upsets you.
As always enjoy.
Its always nice to get away from the grime of angeles city for some days.
The thai girls are generally so much slimmer, taller, lighter skinned, well dressed and generally much prettier than their pinay cousins.Hi Napa and so good to hear your observations.
I've travelled elsewhere for work also.
As many will note from my previous posts, the 'grime' of AC is not my preferred location.
However, dark skinned Filipinas with a nice pink pussy is certainly an attraction for me and one that has not really failed in the past.
And there's more to the Phils than AC when it comes to a girly adventure.
I'm sticking to the Phils and I realize everyone has their own observations and intentions.
If Thailand is a better option for you, go for it!
Best wishes on your travels and thanks for contributing here in the past.
_ Phil.
NapaSlapper
10-29-24, 16:53
Hi Napa and so good to hear your observations.
I've travelled elsewhere for work also.
As many will note from my previous posts, the 'grime' of AC is not my preferred location.
However, dark skinned Filipinas with a nice pink pussy is certainly an attraction for me and one that has not really failed in the past.
And there's more to the Phils than AC when it comes to a girly adventure.
I'm sticking to the Phils and I realize everyone has their own observations and intentions.
If Thailand is a better option for you, go for it!.Have to fully agree that there is so much more to the phills than Angeles city, have travelled far and wide in the phills over nearly 3 decades and like yourself find much better options away from Angeles bars.
Not ready to leave the phills as I have a long time live in girlfriend here and my work near to Angeles, as many know that have lived here for long periods and have the time to invest in girls that there are so many opportunities with far better looking, slimmer, younger girls that have nothing to do with bars.
Good luck with your travels and would love to hear of your tactics in attracting girls away from the bars, maybe us fellow members can pick up some tips and knowledge, thanks.
Pussycat123
10-30-24, 04:17
At least, according to some of the posters on this board.
Personally I think its great. I just wonder, why the fuck do they keep posting on a board about Angeles if they dislike it so much?
As for Thailand, I recently went to Bangkok. I went in Nana Plaza, 440 baht ($13 USD) for a ladies drink and $150 USD (5 k baht) for a barfine. Oh, and that's before the tips.
Old And Ugly
10-30-24, 06:50
At least, according to some of the posters on this board.
Personally I think its great. I just wonder, why the fuck do they keep posting on a board about Angeles if they dislike it so much?
As for Thailand, I recently went to Bangkok. I went in Nana Plaza, 440 baht ($13 USD) for a ladies drink and $150 USD (5 k baht) for a barfine. Oh, and that's before the tips.I love Angeles, the good, the bad, and the ugly!
LoveItHere69
10-30-24, 08:33
Have to fully agree that there is so much more to the phills than Angeles city, have travelled far and wide in the phills over nearly 3 decades and like yourself find much better options away from Angeles bars.
"Old and Ugly" is going to Vigan in December. What information do you have about Vigan? I will be passing through Santa Maria, San Fernando, and then possibly Dagupan this week. What information do you have about those locations? I just posted about Bangued in Abra (north Luzon). I also just posted trying to point a guy in the right direction for the street girls and the bar girls in Cagayan De Oro but stated the info was dated but unlikey has changed much. I have never seen a post of yours about any other location. Please tell me or show me one post of your "far and wide" cities that you visited.
Napa, if you find Korean and Thai women more attractive, in general, than pinay women, then lead with that. I can understand that. But there is no need to really smear pinay because of that. It's just a matter of preference.
As far as Phil's tactics, he has written about it many times in the forum. Just read back in this thread and other threads. It's good advice if you want genuine girls and want to avoid the bars.
WestCoast1
10-30-24, 10:41
As far as Phil's tactics, he has written about it many times in the forum. Just read back in this thread and other threads. It's good advice if you want genuine girls and want to avoid the bars.Probably difficult to believe, but we now have gents traveling to Pampanga / AC to only use gogo bars as a backup plan. Two-thirds of the current barfine amount gets you a girl who probably has much less mileage from Tinder, DIA, FB or such. Obviously those are not the point-and-shoot advantage of the gogos, but with the post-covid drawbacks of the gogos (uncertainty of expectation / outcome). If your DIA date flakes out (or is tranny), you can walk into Lollipop.
Nay sayer non actionable reports are worthless. Post with actual barfines or dates with A girl that fucks is of value to mongers. Anything else is worthless.
A ffing tourist report was all that was! I got more info from TripAdvisor!
Expat American
10-30-24, 14:31
Probably difficult to believe, but we now have gents traveling to Pampanga / AC to only use gogo bars as a backup plan. Two-thirds of the current barfine amount gets you a girl who probably has much less mileage from Tinder, DIA, FB or such. Obviously those are not the point-and-shoot advantage of the gogos, but with the post-covid drawbacks of the gogos (uncertainty of expectation / outcome). If your DIA date flakes out (or is tranny), you can walk into Lollipop.It completely ridiculous. Why go to the shithole if not for the bars? What else is there? The food, the scenery, the museums and culture? Once the bar scene deteriorated, there is absolutely zero reasons to go there. For online girls just go to Cebu.
Probably difficult to believe, but we now have gents traveling to Pampanga / AC to only use gogo bars as a backup plan. Two-thirds of the current barfine amount gets you a girl who probably has much less mileage from Tinder, DIA, FB or such. Obviously those are not the point-and-shoot advantage of the gogos, but with the post-covid drawbacks of the gogos (uncertainty of expectation / outcome). If your DIA date flakes out (or is tranny), you can walk into Lollipop.Hi Westie and I can absolutely understand your observations.
I think everyone's situation is different these days in AC.
For me personally, it has only been work that has taken me close by.
I've never really done the gogos, as I've worked out over time, it's not my scene and they're so overpriced these days when you factor in LD's and the other additional costs, one shot wonders, and even bartender tips. We won't even go into the Korean factor.
Generally everywhere I go in The Phils, I have other tactics in place that don't involve time-wasting online hook-ups.
I absolutely understand that a lot of guys still love the AC scene and that's great.
I personally have found there's better options for me.
If guys have a problem with me posting here on The Angeles forum because I don't necessarily like the place, that's fine. But I have offered alternative gogo reports in the recent past about freelancers and blow row opportunities that were ideal while I was in town.
To put it simply, if you go to AC you're going to get laid. It just depends how much you're prepared to pay these days.
Are there better options? Probably yes.
Does AC still do it for you? Then enjoy the experience.
Chances are, if you negotiate your way through it while you're there, you'll have a great time.
Just my experience _ Phil.
Old And Ugly
10-30-24, 17:02
"Old and Ugly" is going to Vigan in December. What information do you have about Vigan? I will be passing through Santa Maria, San Fernando, and then possibly Dagupan this week. What information do you have about those locations? I just posted about Bangued in Abra (north Luzon). I also just posted trying to point a guy in the right direction for the street girls and the bar girls in Cagayan De Oro but stated the info was dated but unlikey has changed much. I have never seen a post of yours about any other location. Please tell me or show me one post of your "far and wide" cities that you visited.The only info I have about Vigan is from your post (I think was yours).
You're right I didn't post about other places, while I was doing it I only had the phone with me (I don't know how to do it from it), also there was nothing wow, worth of mentioning, also I didn't feel like reading or reporting in the forum, the only thing I used was the maps, Whatsapp, Email and PinaLove. It was total disconnect, the only worry I had was to be someplace where I can extend my visa every few months, I wish the eGov app was avail back then.
I can list some places that I recall if I look on the map, and If you need info, and I can remember I'm more than happy to oblige. One thing is for sure, there is no place like AC.
Banaue, Batad, lots of villages around the area.
Baguio, Bolinao, Olangopo.
All kind of cities around AC.
Tagaytay, Cavite, Batangas.
The North part of Mindoro.
Busuanga,
Whole Palawan,
Visayas without Samar.
North Mindanao.
Lots of little Islands. Some known, some unknown.
I took my time, no hurry, nobody waiting for me. For example from Ormoc to Danao it took me almost a month via the Camotes Islands where it seemed that I was the only tourist on the whole archipelago or whatever is called. Other times I had female companions, or a PinaLove girl waiting somewhere.
WestCoast1
10-31-24, 01:37
It completely ridiculous. Why go to the shithole if not for the bars? What else is there? The food, the scenery, the museums and culture? Once the bar scene deteriorated, there is absolutely zero reasons to go there. For online girls just go to Cebu.In the academic sense, yes. But I do it, and I know others also. Post-pandemic we have a downtick in gringo travel to phils for gogos, period (look at the country's immigration stats, visitors are down 40%; and look at our common description of the decrease in westerners on WS). And I notice both here on the Board, and in my neck of the woods, an increase in provincial foreign travelers garnering the gash. One of the reasons I (and others that I know) do it is simply we have time on our hands and like to island-hop. AC is a familiar place, and has a plethora of ladies in and out of the gogos.
Enjoy this non-gogo. But quiet, please, as she needs her beauty sleep (it recharges her pinay-gasms).
NapaSlapper
10-31-24, 02:05
Probably difficult to believe, but we now have gents traveling to Pampanga / AC to only use gogo bars as a backup plan. Two-thirds of the current barfine amount gets you a girl who probably has much less mileage from Tinder, DIA, FB or such. Obviously those are not the point-and-shoot advantage of the gogos, but with the post-covid drawbacks of the gogos (uncertainty of expectation / outcome). If your DIA date flakes out (or is tranny), you can walk into Lollipop.Not my experience, many I know head straight to the bars, yes they might be disappointed in what's girls are available to them as westerners but that's where they head, don't know of many hunting girls online as most of the angeles girls online are in fact also bar girls.
As far as lollipop bar as a back up then last night it was dead of punters and mostly fuglies on stage, as you know You were sent a private message by myself with a meet venue on walking street and a time to meet for last night, you were a no show as I thought you would be, guess that shows who is in angeles and who is not, thanks.
NapaSlapper
10-31-24, 02:41
At least, according to some of the posters on this board.
Personally I think its great. I just wonder, why the fuck do they keep posting on a board about Angeles if they dislike it so much?
As for Thailand, I recently went to Bangkok. I went in Nana Plaza, 440 baht ($13 USD) for a ladies drink and $150 USD (5 k baht) for a barfine. Oh, and that's before the tips.Maybe they post their angeles findings because that is the whole purpose of this board, that is to share information of latest findings.
Maybe joining an angeles city fan club type forum will serve your self interests better.
As far as Bangkok prices then they must have seen you coming in nana plaza or the girls just did not want to go with you and doubled their asking prices to get rid of you, food for thought.
Old And Ugly
10-31-24, 08:16
It completely ridiculous. Why go to the shithole if not for the bars? What else is there? The food, the scenery, the museums and culture? Once the bar scene deteriorated, there is absolutely zero reasons to go there. For online girls just go to Cebu.After living in province, I find the AC to be the gourmet capital of the PH, you may laugh, but where I live you can't even buy a decent loaf of bread. There is an expat that bakes some, but you need to order it in advance (it's understandable), so if you run out of bread, the only backup is rice, for my GF's delight.
There are few pizza places, they all bake the same frozen pie, with a mushy, wet, sweet crust topped with ketchup, burgers made of mystery meat (actually I got to the conclusion that's flavored, grounded TP), otherwise rotisserie chicken everywhere, but they put something sweet on it and it tastes like road kill, and pork belly which is delicious, but you get tired of it. There is a couple that makes monthly trips to S&are in Cebu and buys stuff for you for a fee, but being a whole day trip is understandable that they can't bring any fresh stuff, only cans or dry goods, like in the few stores on the islands, just of better quality.
Being on an island you may think that there's fish everywhere, but the same mysterious absence of fresh fish from the restaurant, and carinderia menus like in the rest of the PH applies here too, the only time I eat it is when my GF cooks it after she buys it from the roadside stalls, I like it, I eat it, but I can't fully enjoy it because I'm always thinking about the lack of refrigeration, and the freaking flies. I always find it strange that with few exceptions, you'll find fish and seafood restaurants only in the busy tourist destinations.
My GF's favorite is sinigang, just like the rest of the filipinas, I used to like it too, but after I saw how she makes it, I realised that in the restaurants they use the same method, and all I can think of is the pouch of "magic sarap" full of chemicals that goes into it.
Therefore you have to understand, that when I come to AC I'm like a kid in a candy store: Swiss Chalet, Angels Bakery, Kokomos, Korean, etc, I hit them all. Every few weeks after living like Robinson Crusoe, but surrounded by people, I find AC to be the pinacle of culinary delights.
Expat American
10-31-24, 09:27
After living in province, I find the AC to be the gourmet capital of the PH, you may laugh, but where I live you can't even buy a decent loaf of bread. There is an expat that bakes some, but you need to order it in advance (it's understandable), so if you run out of bread, the only backup is rice, for my GF's delight.
There are few pizza places, they all bake the same frozen pie, with a mushy, wet, sweet crust topped with ketchup, burgers made of mystery meat (actually I got to the conclusion that's flavored, grounded TP), otherwise rotisserie chicken everywhere, but they put something sweet on it and it tastes like road kill, and pork belly which is delicious, but you get tired of it. There is a couple that makes monthly trips to S&are in Cebu and buys stuff for you for a fee, but being a whole day trip is understandable that they can't bring any fresh stuff, only cans or dry goods, like in the few stores on the islands, just of better quality.
Being on an island you may think that there's fish everywhere, but the same mysterious absence of fresh fish from the restaurant, and carinderia menus like in the rest of the PH applies here too, the only time I eat it is when my GF cooks it after she buys it from the roadside stalls, I like it, I eat it, but I can't fully enjoy it because I'm always thinking about the lack of refrigeration, and the freaking flies. I always find it strange that with few exceptions, you'll find fish and seafood restaurants only in the busy tourist destinations.
My GF's favorite is sinigang, just like the rest of the filipinas, I used to like it too, but after I saw how she makes it, I realised that in the restaurants they use the same method, and all I can think of is the pouch of "magic sarap" full of chemicals that goes into it.
Therefore you have to understand, that when I come to AC I'm like a kid in a candy store: Swiss Chalet, Angels Bakery, Kokomos, Korean, etc, I hit them all. Every few weeks after living like Robinson Crusoe, but surrounded by people, I find AC to be the pinacle of culinary delights.I found way better food in Cebu. Better online girls too.
After living in province, I find the AC to be the gourmet capital of the PH, you may laugh, but where I live you can't even buy a decent loaf of bread. There is an expat that bakes some, but you need to order it in advance (it's understandable), so if you run out of bread, the only backup is rice, for my GF's delight.
There are few pizza places, they all bake the same frozen pie, with a mushy, wet, sweet crust topped with ketchup, burgers made of mystery meat (actually I got to the conclusion that's flavored, grounded TP), otherwise rotisserie chicken everywhere, but they put something sweet on it and it tastes like road kill, and pork belly which is delicious, but you get tired of it. There is a couple that makes monthly trips to S&are in Cebu and buys stuff for you for a fee, but being a whole day trip is understandable that they can't bring any fresh stuff, only cans or dry goods, like in the few stores on the islands, just of better quality.
Being on an island you may think that there's fish everywhere, but the same mysterious absence of fresh fish from the restaurant, and carinderia menus like in the rest of the PH applies here too, the only time I eat it is when my GF cooks it after she buys it from the roadside stalls, I like it, I eat it, but I can't fully enjoy it because I'm always thinking about the lack of refrigeration, and the freaking flies. I always find it strange that with few exceptions, you'll find fish and seafood restaurants only in the busy tourist destinations.
My GF's favorite is sinigang, just like the rest of the filipinas, I used to like it too, but after I saw how she makes it, I realised that in the restaurants they use the same method, and all I can think of is the pouch of "magic sarap" full of chemicals that goes into it.
Therefore you have to understand, that when I come to AC I'm like a kid in a candy store: Swiss Chalet, Angels Bakery, Kokomos, Korean, etc, I hit them all. Every few weeks after living like Robinson Crusoe, but surrounded by people, I find AC to be the pinacle of culinary delights.Delete if needed, but eating is a necessity and should be enjoyed. I enjoy cooking, and I'm good at it. I actually do small-scale catering in my spare time back in the US. Thai and Filipino food. Part of the reason Filipino food gets a bad rep is because of the magic sarap / bitsin / Ajinomoto that is used to enhance flavors that aren't there. It is used because it is cheaper than quality ingredients. Not to sound bad, but we are not dirt poor if we can afford to go to Philippines. Either bring quality ingredients and sauces that are hard to find when you enter the country, or order them. I bring several bottles of premium fish sauce every time I come because they don't have it in the Philippines in any store I've visited. Oyster sauce is easy enough to find in SM grocery usually (Lee Kum Kee with the boat lady on it). I will cook for people there almost every day and they are amazed at how good the food is, especially when they see I use no MSG. Quality ingredients make all the difference!
FuriousGeorge
10-31-24, 09:44
Yup Swiss Chalet is goddam elite. Steak and salad bar with a glass of wine (pro tip, order ALL the steak sauces on the side). Looking forward to returning in December.
Therefore you have to understand, that when I come to AC I'm like a kid in a candy store: Swiss Chalet, Angels Bakery, Kokomos, Korean, etc, I hit them all. Every few weeks after living like Robinson Crusoe, but surrounded by people, I find AC to be the pinacle of culinary delights.
WestCoast1
10-31-24, 12:04
Yup Swiss Chalet is goddam elite. Steak and salad bar with a glass of wine (pro tip, order ALL the steak sauces on the side). Looking forward to returning in December.There is a hotel and restaurant in the Perimeter area. Think its run by an American. Good menu with westerner food. What's the name of the place? Papi's? There, SC, Tequila Reef, Phillies, and Paradise. Eggs, taters and coffee after a morning vax. A phat burrito. Yummy. I'm easy to please.
Old And Ugly
10-31-24, 17:51
Delete if needed, but eating is a necessity and should be enjoyed. I enjoy cooking, and I'm good at it. I actually do small-scale catering in my spare time back in the US. Thai and Filipino food. Part of the reason Filipino food gets a bad rep is because of the magic sarap / bitsin / Ajinomoto that is used to enhance flavors that aren't there. It is used because it is cheaper than quality ingredients. Not to sound bad, but we are not dirt poor if we can afford to go to Philippines. Either bring quality ingredients and sauces that are hard to find when you enter the country, or order them. I bring several bottles of premium fish sauce every time I come because they don't have it in the Philippines in any store I've visited. Oyster sauce is easy enough to find in SM grocery usually (Lee Kum Kee with the boat lady on it). I will cook for people there almost every day and they are amazed at how good the food is, especially when they see I use no MSG. Quality ingredients make all the difference!I'm a good cook too, actually the best cooks are men, and I do cook sometimes, but I see that my GF doesn't really enjoy it (she says is yummy, but I can tell) and that turns the chef in me off, and I give up, let her cook whatever. I've seen that in lots of filipinas: if they don't know it, then its not good, no culinary curiosity, just baseless fear of the unknown. Wherever I take her in the PH or elsewhere in SEA she always orders filipino food, or something close to it. The fact that the Jolly Bee's spaghettis with ketchup is the favorite dish in the world for the filipinas, tells you a lot.
This year I took the GF to a Cellebrity X Cruise, with the finest buffets in the world, way better than Las Vegas, and from the plethora of foods all she was getting was rice and chicken, or pork, not even the slightest interest in sampling anything else, didn't matter that you can just touch it and leave it if you don't like it, and she's a university graduate, I don't even want to tell you what happened with some other girls that I had as travel companions in the past.
I hate the fish sauce, I used to be married to a vietnamese, and everything she cooked had copious amounts of fish sauce in it, she was an excellent cook, knew how to make a million different dishes, but the damn fish sauce found its way in everything. Half of our pantry was full of fish sauce bottles, you have to understand my adversity to it, I do eat stuff that has it already in it, but I'm not going to add it on my own free will to nothing.
I'm a good cook too, actually the best cooks are men, and I do cook sometimes, but I see that my GF doesn't really enjoy it (she says is yummy, but I can tell) and that turns the chef in me off, and I give up, let her cook whatever. I've seen that in lots of filipinas: if they don't know it, then its not good, no culinary curiosity, just baseless fear of the unknown. Wherever I take her in the PH or elsewhere in SEA she always orders filipino food, or something close to it. The fact that the Jolly Bee's spaghettis with ketchup is the favorite dish in the world for the filipinas, tells you a lot.
This year I took the GF to a Cellebrity X Cruise, with the finest buffets in the world, way better than Las Vegas, and from the plethora of foods all she was getting was rice and chicken, or pork, not even the slightest interest in sampling anything else, didn't matter that you can just touch it and leave it if you don't like it, and she's a university graduate, I don't even want to tell you what happened with some other girls that I had as travel companions in the past.
I hate the fish sauce, I used to be married to a vietnamese, and everything she cooked had copious amounts of fish sauce in it, she was an excellent cook, knew how to make a million different dishes, but the damn fish sauce found its way in everything. Half of our pantry was full of fish sauce bottles, you have to understand my adversity to it, I do eat stuff that has it already in it, but I'm not going to add it on my own free will to nothing.UUGGHH the odor from the cooking of their fish sauce. STINKS!
Old And Ugly
10-31-24, 23:03
There is a hotel and restaurant in the Perimeter area. Think its run by an American. Good menu with westerner food. What's the name of the place? Papi's? There, SC, Tequila Reef, Phillies, and Paradise. Eggs, taters and coffee after a morning vax. A phat burrito. Yummy. I'm easy to please.There is a Papi's Bar and Chill, but I never tried.
I'm a good cook too, actually the best cooks are men, and I do cook sometimes, but I see that my GF doesn't really enjoy it (she says is yummy, but I can tell) and that turns the chef in me off, and I give up, let her cook whatever. I've seen that in lots of filipinas: if they don't know it, then its not good, no culinary curiosity,...Corporate girl has been cooking for me and while I appreciate it, there is no way I could live off it forever. It doesn't compare to the SG, ML, TH and ID food that I like so much.
If I was to move out here semi permanently, then my old bachelor cooking skills would have to be brought back to life.
G.
Old And Ugly
11-01-24, 09:37
Corporate girl has been cooking for me and while I appreciate it, there is no way I could live off it forever. It doesn't compare to the SG, ML, TH and ID food that I like so much.
If I was to move out here semi permanently, then my old bachelor cooking skills would have to be brought back to life.
G.I'm simple, if I like something, I can eat the same thing for a week, so I eat what she cooks, or what's on the menu in the simple local restaurants, but once in a while I need something other than frayed stuff. Fresh veggies are nonexistent in the PH cuisine, only boiled or frayed, if I make a lettuce or a tomatoes salad she won't really touch it, if we go to the restaurant and there is a small fresh veggies garnish on her plate, it's automatically transferred to my plate, but she says that she loves veggies (probably the ones in the sinigang). I don't know how the whole nation gets their intake of vitamins, and all this gorgeous girls come into existence, considering the fact that pork is the "national vegie". When I go to the market I always go late because, everybody buys the green and yellow unripe tomatoes, and the ripe red ones are left behind, easier for me to pick. Lots of strange things, but I'm not complaining, only observing.
Its always nice to get away from the grime of angeles city for some days.
Had recent business meetings in Seoul south Korea, followed by meetings in Bangkok, how do these two places compare to angeles city on costs, food, hotels and general girls appearance.
Seoul, had been here on several occasions but every time I'm back I am wowed, spotlessly clean city, every thing super modern, people polite, ready to help, food, drinks, snacks generally 100% more expensive than Angeles, probably the reason koreans throw their money around in the bars of angeles because angeles seems much cheaper to them than home.
Stayed at the lotte hotel seoul executive tower, super nice place (100% recommended) some people claim that angeles abc hotel is 5 star and luxury but in truth even the abc top suites are so far behind compared to the lotte in every way at similar costs.
Korean girls, all one can say is wow, just so many good looking young girls every where, the hotel reception staff, waitresses, mall staff, bank staff were all just stunning, they just don't produce many girls of this quality in the phills.
Bangkok, what can one say, I just love returning to this city, fantastic food for half the price of the crap they serve in Angeles, hotels like for like are half price in Bangkok compared to angeles, beer prices about the same as angeles.
The thai girls are generally so much slimmer, taller, lighter skinned, well dressed and generally much prettier than their pinay cousins, many say yes but pinays speak English, well news is that so do many thai girls, especially those Thai girls that spend large amounts of time around foreigners, in truth angeles just cannot be compared to Bangkok or pattay on any front, can't wait till my next thai trip in all honesty.Thailand my fave but it's on a downward trajectory. I see more beauties in PI post 2020.
I'm simple, if I like something, I can eat the same thing for a week, so I eat what she cooks, or what's on the menu in the simple local restaurants, but once in a while I need something other than frayed stuff. Fresh veggies are nonexistent in the PH cuisine, only boiled or frayed, if I make a lettuce or a tomatoes salad she won't really touch it, if we go to the restaurant and there is a small fresh veggies garnish on her plate, it's automatically transferred to my plate, but she says that she loves veggies (probably the ones in the sinigang). I don't know how the whole nation gets their intake of vitamins, and all this gorgeous girls come into existence, considering the fact that pork is the "national vegie". When I go to the market I always go late because, everybody buys the green and yellow unripe tomatoes, and the ripe red ones are left behind, easier for me to pick. Lots of strange things, but I'm not complaining, only observing.Funny how I was eating my favorite salad in PH while I was reading this post. The salad is topped with julienne sliced yellow and light green peppers. Peppers are not my favorite at all. So I set them aside from my salad. I have had this salad over a dozen times. After reading your post about green and yellow tomatoes I wondered if maybe these peppers are tomatoes? Sure enough they are! Not bad but I do prefer ripe red tomatoes. I guess the yellow and green tomatoes are firmer and have a snap to them like the peppers do. That maybe why the preference.
I I don't know how the whole nation gets their intake of vitamins, and all this gorgeous girls come into existence, considering the fact that pork is the "national vegie". When I go to the market I always go late because, everybody buys the green and yellow unripe tomatoes, and the ripe red ones are left behind, easier for me to pick. Lots of strange things, but I'm not complaining, only observing.Good observation O and Ugly _ The Phils throws out some head scratching moments a lot of the time. And this might be better placed in the Stupid Shit thread.
I'm generally one never to complain about food in a restaurant. I just won't return. However, on a recent rip to Boracay, and in the need of a red meat fix, I said to the barman / waiter, "That would have to have been the toughest steak I've had in 50 years".
(Even the street dog sitting under the table agreed).
His response was, "Thank you Sir!
_ Phil.
Old And Ugly
11-01-24, 22:29
Funny how I was eating my favorite salad in PH while I was reading this post. The salad is topped with julienne sliced yellow and light green peppers. Peppers are not my favorite at all. So I set them aside from my salad. I have had this salad over a dozen times. After reading your post about green and yellow tomatoes I wondered if maybe these peppers are tomatoes? Sure enough they are! Not bad but I do prefer ripe red tomatoes. I guess the yellow and green tomatoes are firmer and have a snap to them like the peppers do. That maybe why the preference.No, the filipinos prefer the unripe tomatoes, because they don't disintegrate when cooked, they never use them raw. Where are you eating salad? Probably in a place frequented by foreigners.
Thailand my fave but it's on a downward trajectory. I see more beauties in PI post 2020.Punting is on a decline all over the world. Its universal. I challenge you or anyone to report a city or area that is better than ever and growing.
Tell me, and I promise to see you there. Otherwise, I would encourage all to get as much travelling done within the next 4-5 years.
Punting is on a decline all over the world. Its universal. I challenge you or anyone to report a city or area that is better than ever and growing.
Tell me, and I promise to see you there. Otherwise, I would encourage all to get as much travelling done within the next 4-5 years.This is an interesting thought. Why do you think that is? I neither agree nor disagree at this point.
Punting is on a decline all over the world. Its universal. I challenge you or anyone to report a city or area that is better than ever and growing.
Tell me, and I promise to see you there. Otherwise, I would encourage all to get as much travelling done within the next 4-5 years.I don't think it is in decline. As long as men want sex and women are willing to sell it, it will exist. Red light districts may fade in some places, but freelancers abound anywhere. You just have to learn where they are.
I think it's actually on the increase where I live in the US. I've been clued in to the escort scene for a few years and have made good friends with a couple of them, and more independents are visiting the area. Prices are $400+ for an hour. At the same time, the state is considering decriminalizing prostitution and are currently only pursuing to rescue victims of trafficking. AMPS are in the open. Cost is $210-$220 for 45 - 60 minutes and 1-2 pops. Younger Chinese and Koreans (in their 20's) can be had BBFS for $300/ HR. Higher than the Philippines, for sure, but much closer. And after lady drinks and bar fines and reports of most girls being short time in Angeles, it really isn't much difference except the girls at the AMP service there and not at your hotel.
For me, the Philippines is more about the difference and adventure of being in a different country. Outside of Manila and Angeles, prices are much cheaper and girls are more genuine and give better service, even if a little bit shy (see "Other Areas" forum). There is no way I would go to the Philippines and stay in Manila or Angeles for the same service I can have an hour from where I live.
Pussycat123
11-03-24, 04:08
This is an interesting thought. Why do you think that is? I neither agree nor disagree at this point.No question that mongering is getting harder, more expensive and lower quality in almost all locations (Philipines, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Japan, Mexico, Colombia, .).
The ubiquity of smartphones means almost any girl can get simps in richer countries to send money for simply telling a few hard luck stories, or sending a few pics.
Also, birthrates are falling in many countries meaning fewer young women.
In Angeles the barfine price has almost doubled in 6 years (3k > 5-6k). And quality has gone down.
I don't think it is in decline. As long as men want sex and women are willing to sell it, it will exist. Red light districts may fade in some places, but freelancers abound anywhere. You just have to learn where they are.
For me, the Philippines is more about the difference and adventure of being in a different country. Outside of Manila and Angeles, prices are much cheaper and girls are more genuine and give better service, even if a little bit shy (see "Other Areas" forum). There is no way I would go to the Philippines and stay in Manila or Angeles for the same service I can have an hour from where I live.The market will always exist, meaning men will always want sex and women somewhere willing to sell it. But that doesn't mean that the market will be efficient, and that transactions will occur that mutually benefit both parties.
It won't be like the glorious past. When you could go to nightclubs like HELP, compounds like Campo Alegre, or beach parties like Pattaya, and find numerous options for reasonable, or at least, minimally painful expense. When you could walk around a room or poolside, surrounded by beautiful ladies, and the "big decision" of the day was "blonde, brunette, or redhead?" And may I add, in relative safety. And they were happy with the transaction. When you could take a week off, fly somewhere fun and exotic, and return refreshed.
It's not happening all at once. There are still patches here and there. Its why I decided on a trip to AC this winter. Not because I think it will rock my world, but rather, because it may soon disappear.
Its like global warming. You know its happening. In smaller bits at first, then slowly building. Now with 5 hurricanes to hit Florida in 2 years. The summers getting longer and hotter each year.
The number of good venues around the world is slowly, but surely shrinking. I think at a faster rate since COVID.
No question that mongering is getting harder...
In Angeles the barfine price has almost doubled in 6 years (3k > 5-6k). And quality has gone down.I like the saying "go where you are wanted".
If 6 k single mums don't want me in AC, then I'm 100% ok with that. I'm not going to argue or complain about it. I just came off 58 days where Mindanao girls made me feel very welcome indeed.
Even for guys with limited time and inventiveness, I've always said the bars are not the only way to get laid in AC and AC is certainly not the only place to get laid in the Philippines.
Enjoy. G.
Old And Ugly
11-03-24, 09:21
I don't think it is in decline. As long as men want sex and women are willing to sell it, it will exist. Red light districts may fade in some places, but freelancers abound anywhere. You just have to learn where they are.
I think it's actually on the increase where I live in the US. I've been clued in to the escort scene for a few years and have made good friends with a couple of them, and more independents are visiting the area. Prices are $400+ for an hour. At the same time, the state is considering decriminalizing prostitution and are currently only pursuing to rescue victims of trafficking. AMPS are in the open. Cost is $210-$220 for 45 - 60 minutes and 1-2 pops. Younger Chinese and Koreans (in their 20's) can be had BBFS for $300/ HR. Higher than the Philippines, for sure, but much closer. And after lady drinks and bar fines and reports of most girls being short time in Angeles, it really isn't much difference except the girls at the AMP service there and not at your hotel.
For me, the Philippines is more about the difference and adventure of being in a different country. Outside of Manila and Angeles, prices are much cheaper and girls are more genuine and give better service, even if a little bit shy (see "Other Areas" forum). There is no way I would go to the Philippines and stay in Manila or Angeles for the same service I can have an hour from where I live.I think you're talking about Vegas, to get a GFE like in PH not the in 'and out, waiting in line service, in US will cost you an exorbitant amount of money, I'm talking thousands of USD, and you still know in the back of your mind that is fake. In the PH the GFE beside being way cheaper, it also may have something real to it, most of the girls if you treat them right have hopes that you may become their BF, and it did happened many times in the past, when actually mongerers married BGs. (about the last part: there may be exceptions, but personally I think that a BG will always be a BG).
SouthEaster
11-03-24, 13:30
Curios G. What is the scene like in Mindinao? I have not been for Jesus must be 20 years now. Did not find much back then. Are there actual bars of any sort (BF or freelance) or is everything online? I know it's the "new way" but I still hate it. I like to see my potential pussy face to face before I make a decision. Old school I know! Thanks for any info.
I don't think it is in decline. As long as men want sex and women are willing to sell it, it will exist. Red light districts may fade in some places, but freelancers abound anywhere. You just have to learn where they are.
I think it's actually on the increase where I live in the US. I've been clued in to the escort scene for a few years and have made good friends with a couple of them, and more independents are visiting the area. Prices are $400+ for an hour. At the same time, the state is considering decriminalizing prostitution and are currently only pursuing to rescue victims of trafficking. AMPS are in the open. Cost is $210-$220 for 45 - 60 minutes and 1-2 pops. Younger Chinese and Koreans (in their 20's) can be had BBFS for $300/ HR. Higher than the Philippines, for sure, but much closer. And after lady drinks and bar fines and reports of most girls being short time in Angeles, it really isn't much difference except the girls at the AMP service there and not at your hotel.
For me, the Philippines is more about the difference and adventure of being in a different country. Outside of Manila and Angeles, prices are much cheaper and girls are more genuine and give better service, even if a little bit shy (see "Other Areas" forum). There is no way I would go to the Philippines and stay in Manila or Angeles for the same service I can have an hour from where I live.Out of curiosity. What US state is that? Feel free to PM me if you don't feel like revealing your home state directly in the forums. I would love to see prostitution decriminalized and eventually follow the path of marijuana. Might even give me a reason to move.
I agree on Angeles losing its competitiveness pricewise. Koreans completely ruined it.
No question that mongering is getting harder, more expensive and lower quality in almost all locations (Philipines, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Japan, Mexico, Colombia, .).
The ubiquity of smartphones means almost any girl can get simps in richer countries to send money for simply telling a few hard luck stories, or sending a few pics.
Also, birthrates are falling in many countries meaning fewer young women.
In Angeles the barfine price has almost doubled in 6 years (3k > 5-6k). And quality has gone down.A simp is a going to simp. Not sure how to fix that problem.
The birthrate problem doesn't really worry me. Its mostly in 1st world highly developed countries. Low birthrate in these countries pretty much means less women who were never going to have sex for money anyways. Low birthrates in these countries also means less men from developed countries, so less competition. Pretty sure the phillipines will be pumping out young filipinas for a long while to come.
Thank the Koreans for lower quality and higher bar fine prices. Honestly the quality was never exceptional. Thats just the sort of girl that Angeles attracts. It was the pricing that made Angeles attracttive. Since that's gone, doesn't make sense anymore. For 5 - 6 k you can just do your hunting in Manila. Girls are more refined and prettier overall.
Expat American
11-03-24, 14:28
The ubiquity of smartphones means almost any girl can get simps in richer countries to send money for simply telling a few hard luck stories, or sending a few pics.
Also, birthrates are falling in many countries meaning fewer young women.
In Angeles the barfine price has almost doubled in 6 years (3k > 5-6k). And quality has gone down.I don't think the birth rates are falling fast enough (you can thank the Pope for that) nor is Philippines suddenly becoming a middle income country (you can thank their corrupt politicians for that). AC is an anomaly and a bubble economy propped up by tourists. Forget girls, now way a hotel anywhere in that shithole should cost $100 per night, and in a place where the daily wage is 300-500 P / day, an hour of sex should not cost $100 (5000 Peso) either. The economy there is totally divorced from reality of the country. It may as well not exist within the PI borders. As many resident expats have posted, 1000-1500 P still gets you good LT GFE in a lot of other places in the Philippines.
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