Angeles City

[Sir Lancelot]

Atlantis was the bomb for large numbers of honies. Pics attached. At times 100 or more girls were on-shift. What an amazing time. Few additional throwback AC skinny / cutie pics.Ah, they were the days. Atlantis used to be the best bet for pretty girls in my opinion. I know it is still open but your photos got me nostalgic for other bars in that era that are now sadly departed:

- Ponytails: It was the best bet for pretty girls during the day. Funny story, first time I went there I got in to a trike outside my hotel and said 'Ponytails please', expecting it to be some distance up Perimeter Road. The driver took me about three buildings up the road before pulling up outside the bar. The journey lasted about three seconds! I'm surprised he could keep a straight face as I handed over my fare.

- I think it was called Blue Nile? It had a stage that went up and down. There were two or three Egyptian themed bars down the bottom end of Fields Avenue that were always stocked with honeys. It would be nice to see this end of the street see a resurgence.

- Tropix: This one was popular with expats and had cheaper drinks and barfines. But the thing I remember most is they did body-painting, so you got to see the girls tits, always nice when they're sat on your lap and you're clinking bottles.

- Crystal Palace: This bar was packed with girls, had some great times in here. I notice it has posters outside looking for a buyer. It has such a prime location, surely someone should snap it up.

- Typhoon: I bar-fined (or bought a bottle of 'party animal' for, as it was called in those days) one of my all-time favourite Angeles girls from this bar. Quality of girls went south after it was renamed Monsoon.

Any good ones I've missed?

[Goferring]

Any good ones I've missed?The king of the hill was definitely High Society.

G.

[Old And Ugly]

Hello everybody.

I am coming in Philippine from Friday 18th of April till Saturday 3rd of May.

I know is not the best time to look for girls, but these are my holydays. .

I know FIlippine girls live town during that time.

In your wiew in Makati there are someones living that remain and keep working? (obvioulsy Esatern day exclude).

And, more important question, around when a right quantity of girls be back to work in Angels City? Around 25th of April or when?

Thanks in advance for any useful reply. When girls are not here I will go to some island for the sea (Boracay or Palawan).The only certain thing is that another million people will have the same idea, and you're not going to find any hotel rooms in El Nido or Boracay if you don't reserve now.

[MoonShot]

I'm headed to Angeles City for the first time in over 6 years with very little excitement. Angeles City is a shit hole and the girls have gotten much more expensive. The reason is that I am coming from Pattaya after a long 2 month visit so I have been having sex with young attractive girls for a while and the girls here are more attractive in my opinion.

So why even bother coming to Angeles City? I didn't want the hassles of extending my visa here and decided to fly to the Philippines. I haven't been in Angeles City for a while and after hearing so many negative stories, I wanted to see for myself what is going on.

When I get there in a few weeks I'll let you guys know what I think. I don't have high expectations for the food or the infrastructure relative to Thailand but I always find the girls to be sweet. This is the first time I've been back in a while and the barfines are much higher since I last visited so let me see if there's any value left in Angeles City relative to other places that a man could visit.

One of the reasons I am not particularly excited is because I'm already having as much sex with attractive girls as I want right now.

[Jarango]

Imagine my horror tonight when I showed up at Phillies with two hookers in tow, only to be told no 3 somes, only 2 somes. Because of how things were I paid the spare wheel 1 k to FK off and the other 2 k for a quickie. All in all, baby oil is a better deal and you don't risk your ankles with a tumble.

The evening gowns the hookers wear are very cheap but they have new tight fitting dresses that look well, if you are a little drunk.

The bonk tonight insisted on a condom. Wonders!

[Giovanni Volo]

The only certain thing is that another million people will have the same idea, and you're not going to find any hotel rooms in El Nido or Boracay if you don't reserve now.This for sure. I will decide soon where to go, and in a couple of week from now for sure I book flight and place, where and when I found good ones. Do you think is too later? I already book the first hotel in Manila yesterday, with no problem at all.

My problem is about girls in Angels. Know around when they be back. After I can book holiday in island, before going to Angel. But for sure I book everything in January.

[Goferring]

Imagine my horror tonight when I showed up at Phillies with two hookers in tow, only to be told no 3 somes, only 2 somes..

The evening gowns the hookers wear are very cheap but they have new tight fitting dresses that look well, if you are a little drunk.

The bonk tonight insisted on a condom. Wonders!The reasons guys went to AC are falling away one by one:

[WestCoast1]

Any good ones I've missed?Body Shop. Smaller, intimate.

Lance, clean out your inbox.

[Sir Lancelot]

Body Shop. Smaller, intimate.

Lance, clean out your inbox.

Done. Didn't Body Shop have swinging doors like a Western saloon when you entered? I visited it a year ago and it was sleepy. There was an old grey-haired regular who gave girls 100 pesos each to suck their tits. Pervert.

[Goferring]

One of the reasons I am not particularly excited is because I'm already having as much sex with attractive girls as I want right now.Not a criticism, it's your money and time so do with them what you want. However, I'm constantly surprised by guys who think that AC is the only place to get laid in the Phils.

If you are arriving with balls already emptied in LOS, hate AC anyway, why not go somewhere that you will enjoy and pick up girls there? Or even BYO?

The Philippines has a lot of beaches, diving, night life, natural beauty. The list goes on.

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

Done. Didn't Body Shop have swinging doors like a Western saloon when you entered? I visited it a year ago and it was sleepy. There was an old grey-haired regular who gave girls 100 pesos each to suck their tits. Pervert.Yes, the swinging doors. The place was in decline by a decade ago (fewer skinnies, more chubs). 2010 or prior was heyday. Everyone inside was having fun. By intimate I mean that you could sit either in a booth on the wall facing the girls (full mirrors all the way around the place), or get closer and sit on a stool right in front of the dancers and chat them up. While they wanted you to buy a LD, you could skip that often times and just chat up the dancers in front of you while you drank. Miss those days.

Today's story is different, it seems in the throes of death. A handful of girls, and mostly not that attractive. However I think it also has some positives: All drinks are half price until midnight, and I think the barfine amount is p3000 (considerably less than the other bars). Also BS and several other bars nearby have a weekly Monday 6 pm party (alternating between 4 or so bars weekly). Girls from all 4 bars converge on this week's chosen bar and put on a show for about 90 minutes. I recommend seeing the show at least once. Lesbianism, nuditity, sucking on bananas, and assorted other simulated nawty activities.

[Old And Ugly]

This for sure. I will decide soon where to go, and in a couple of week from now for sure I book flight and place, where and when I found good ones. Do you think is too later? I already book the first hotel in Manila yesterday, with no problem at all.

My problem is about girls in Angels. Know around when they be back. After I can book holiday in island, before going to Angel. But for sure I book everything in January.I'm referring to the popular beach destinations, book well in advance. The whole PH goes to the beach on easter.

[MoonShot]

Not a criticism, it's your money and time so do with them what you want. However, I'm constantly surprised by guys who think that AC is the only place to get laid in the Phils.

If you are arriving with balls already emptied in LOS, hate AC anyway, why not go somewhere that you will enjoy and pick up girls there? Or even BYO?

The Philippines has a lot of beaches, diving, night life, natural beauty. The list goes on.

Enjoy. G.I am not on vacation anymore. I am a retired nomad and staying in different places for months at a time but this is a relatively short visit for me. I have visited a number of cities in the PI in the past but to do the online scene correctly I need more time. I wanted to visit Angeles City for sentimental value and to check out the place for myself after 6 years. I prefer Cebu and Davao City myself. On my next visit to the PI, I will pass on Angeles City and go to Cebu and stay there for a few months and go the online dating route. That is where I think you can have the best experience in the PI but that's just my personal preference.

I was just joking around about how I feel about flying to Clark from Bangkok because it is the opposite of how most guys feel when they are flying to the PI. Usualy excited and can't wait to get there. I will let you know what I think about the current state of Angeles City. I have been out of the loop for 6 years now.

[Exoticspirit]

It turns out when I finally found my past report on my AC trip, it was back from 2013 so it's been that long ago! Haven't been back since but I'm returning this June as part of a multi country trip and bringing a friend who has never been to Asia. Already committed to Philippines with our flights booked but still have the flexibility of not coming to AC. With so many posts that are purely negative about the current AC scene, the question then becomes -- why should I even bother coming up to AC? Maybe for a short stay it's just better to stay down in Manila. But I'll keep monitoring the scene here over the next few months since we still have time to decide. But if you guys have strong opinions on forgetting about AC and just stay in Manila, I would be interested in reading about them.

[CarlosDanger]

Apologize for asking I did try to RTFF. Does anyone have an updated list of the current barfine prices on Perimeter road?

Or if someone was willing to write the prices they know for the most famous Perimeter bars?

Thanks.

Happy mongering everybody.

[Docwiltro]

Ah, they were the days. Atlantis used to be the best bet for pretty girls in my opinion. I know it is still open but your photos got me nostalgic for other bars in that era that are now sadly departed:

- Ponytails: It was the best bet for pretty girls during the day. Funny story, first time I went there I got in to a trike outside my hotel and said 'Ponytails please', expecting it to be some distance up Perimeter Road. The driver took me about three buildings up the road before pulling up outside the bar. The journey lasted about three seconds! I'm surprised he could keep a straight face as I handed over my fare.

- I think it was called Blue Nile? It had a stage that went up and down. There were two or three Egyptian themed bars down the bottom end of Fields Avenue that were always stocked with honeys. It would be nice to see this end of the street see a resurgence.

- Tropix: This one was popular with expats and had cheaper drinks and barfines. But the thing I remember most is they did body-painting, so you got to see the girls tits, always nice when they're sat on your lap and you're clinking bottles.

- Crystal Palace: This bar was packed with girls, had some great times in here. I notice it has posters outside looking for a buyer. It has such a prime location, surely someone should snap it up.

- Typhoon: I bar-fined (or bought a bottle of 'party animal' for, as it was called in those days) one of my all-time favourite Angeles girls from this bar. Quality of girls went south after it was renamed Monsoon.

Any good ones I've missed?Don't forget QBar: a lot of naughty girls in there over the years like these two, both waitresses now.

[Mlang]

Been using dating apps for years with success, like ThaiFriendly in Thailand and Pinalove in The Phills. Pinalove worked well in Manila and other areas, but in Angeles I just can't figure out how to select the correct location area on the search filter: the drop-down menu shows Manila and other cities / provinces, but not Angeles. The closest I can find is Pampanga. But that doesn't work well either because that only shows about 5 girls under 30 years old. What am I missing here? Why isn't Angeles in the locations?

[Dg8787]

Apologize for asking I did try to RTFF. Does anyone have an updated list of the current barfine prices on Perimeter road?

Or if someone was willing to write the prices they know for the most famous Perimeter bars?

Thanks.

Happy mongering everybody.The resident expert would know but he hasn't been active for a month since FG came to town. I don't have first hand knowledge for exact prices because I don't visit each bars. Therefore I can not give you a report. I am guessing perimeter bars are in the 3 k range.

[Dg8787]

Don't forget QBar: a lot of naughty girls in there over the years like these two, both waitresses now.Yes there are. I have many fond memories of Q Bar. Nice lovelies in your picture sir.

[Old And Ugly]

Apologize for asking I did try to RTFF. Does anyone have an updated list of the current barfine prices on Perimeter road?

Or if someone was willing to write the prices they know for the most famous Perimeter bars?

Thanks.

Happy mongering everybody.Night Moves seems to be the busiest one, last year I paid 2500, but you have to get them earlier, because most of them have to go home to the kids about the time the bar closes.

Also there is a bar Velvet (Red or Black, I forgot) has some girls in, but you have to buy min 3 LD to BF, than negotiate with the girl.

[NapaSlapper]

Bar hop 18,1,2025.

Yes we are into the 3rd week of January what is happening on the town, well it seems that many many girls have not returned to their bars in angeles, to say the town is quiet and the bars even more so is an understatement.

Western oriented bars, Geckos bar, masquarade bar, lollipop bar, la bamba bar, very quiet indeed, although very few customers (mainly expats) there were more customers than girls, what girls were working can only be described as bottom end and that's being kind.

Korean oriented bars, Atlantis bar, QBar, avalon bar, monsoon bar, gold moon bar madonna bar again very short on girls, what girls were working were not great at all but a step up from the western bar girls, korean punter numbers well down, saw no other westerners in these bars at all.

Even angeles by far number 1 bar Xs bar was a shadow of a few months ago, many many regular girl faces I know well were absent, on asking management they said many girls had not returned after the holidays, some girls were due back at some time (unknown) but many girls just could not be contacted and assumed had found other means to earn money (online dating, cam shows, hustling).

I had read some of the recent claims of guys finding 8's,9's and 10's in angeles recently, well all I can say is where? There are very few bars that I do not visit regularly, What I see is girls that are mainly older, fatter and very plain in looks, the very few girls that are just ok in looks, body, age are korean only girls or drinks only girls, westerners in truth are having to greatly lower the bar and consider themselves lucky if even to barfine the left overs, as said, claims of 8's, 9's and 10's are just that claims and nothing more IMHO.

[NapaSlapper]

The reasons guys went to AC are falling away one by one:Have to agree 100%, especially over the last few years, in truth none of the fun of yesteryear remains, no flesh to be seen, very few girl smiles to be seen, crazy girl prices, crazy lady drink prices (small juice most times).

Going out for a night on walking street is just not cheap any more, and that's even without barfining, a few beers a few lady drinks, some tips and one is 5,000 peso lighter, also flight prices, hotel prices are sky high, want western food then again high prices, want an ok looking girl then good luck trying to compete with the koreans, even if one does get lucky then very average girls are demanding 5 or 6000 peso for a one pop deal, take more than a vew minutes and the princess will start screwing her face up and claiming she's in pain and one takes too long to finish, its true to say that many westerners have voted to not return, this is clear to see and in honesty I can't blame them.

[MongerHunger]

Night Moves seems to be the busiest one, last year I paid 2500, but you have to get them earlier, because most of them have to go home to the kids about the time the bar closes.
It was the same BF when I went to Night Moves. Their breakfast food wasn't that bad either. Sometimes the Expats get together and have some steaks there for lunch. Nice group of guys and regulars.

[MongerHunger]

I am not on vacation anymore. I am a retired nomad and staying in different places for months at a time but this is a relatively short visit for me. I have visited a number of cities in the PI in the past but to do the online scene correctly I need more time. I wanted to visit Angeles City for sentimental value and to check out the place for myself after 6 years. I prefer Cebu and Davao City myself. On my next visit to the PI, I will pass on Angeles City and go to Cebu and stay there for a few months and go the online dating route. That is where I think you can have the best experience in the PI but that's just my personal preference.

I was just joking around about how I feel about flying to Clark from Bangkok because it is the opposite of how most guys feel when they are flying to the PI. Usualy excited and can't wait to get there. I will let you know what I think about the current state of Angeles City. I have been out of the loop for 6 years now.I flew from Bangkok to Clark on Cebu Air. I got into Clark like at 3 in the morning but it was a cheap flight and direct.

[TravelingMan3]

My thoughts on AC as someone who lives in the Mecca of the Asian mongering scene at least (Pattaya). My first trip to AC was in 2015 and even though it wasn't the glory days you still had mega gogos like Dollhouse and Atlantis that had what felt like at least 60 chicks minimum 20 hot ones each night. You go to these places now it's no atmosphere and it's mostly slop leftover chicks. The no atmosphere comment is meant for most of the bars not just the two listed there just no vibe to the place. Then these days chicks say no they don't want to go with you a lot more than in years past so now when your doing a bar crawl around and finally find the one cute enough after two hours of drinking and searching she say no I don't want to go. That is a killer, if this was years ago from the day when I first started going and there were at 10 chicks in her bar they you would take instead then no big deal nowadays that's a big problem.

Now for most that's enough to keep them away however I'll be back in April as I don't want to do Songkran in Pattaya I won't be spending my full time in AC but instead using it to get to where I'm really going and I'll see how it looks. To me part of the reason guys still think AC is even a good mongering destination at this point is because the girls speak English. Chicks not speaking English isn't a big deal to so I rate places like Thailand ahead of it of course but even Indonesia is better cheaper better looking girls and a number of venues to find them at.

Back on AC quality maybe way down but I wrote about this in my report this past July I did see attractive chicks it's just that they all were at Mega Dance and they weren't customers but in fact staff who work at the club. I didn't investigate whether or not they were available and or for how much.

[Goferring]

Been using dating apps for years with success, like ThaiFriendly in Thailand and Pinalove in The Phills. Pinalove worked well in Manila and other areas, but in Angeles I just can't figure out how to select the correct location area on the search filter: the drop-down menu shows Manila and other cities / provinces, but not Angeles. The closest I can find is Pampanga. But that doesn't work well either because that only shows about 5 girls under 30 years old. What am I missing here? Why isn't Angeles in the locations?Pinalove's Search function isn't the best. Girls may be in the same location but listed differently depending on how she describes herself or how PL identifies her GPS location.

Time to brush up on your PI geography. LOL. A girl in the area might be described as Pampanga, Angeles, Balibago, Santol etc.

PL accepts cities, location and 'near me'. If you are in town try the near me function and reduce the radius. If you're not, then name a hotel or similar. So it has a discrete place to work off.

Enjoy. G.

[PhilJoy]

Have to agree 100%, especially over the last few years, in truth none of the fun of yesteryear remains, no flesh to be seen, very few girl smiles to be seen, crazy girl prices, crazy lady drink prices (small juice most times).Hi Napa,

I must say I have to agree.

However, I don't think it only applies to AC.

Makati is a rort when it comes to LD's and the like.

In the end, you're paying what you would at home without a guarantee of a decent outcome.

I love the Filipinas, so I'm not giving up on the place anytime soon.

I'm always thinking outside the box and bypass the typical girly bar scene and the results have been very satisying.

Additionally, many guys have recently posted about their adventures to other areas of The Phils and how that has worked out well for them.

I've found that if you put a bit of effort in, you'll find some diamonds in the most unlikely places.

Once you hook up with them, keep in touch via WhatsApp etc. And you'll have a contact ready when you next return to their area / province.

_ Phil.

[GreenBud]

Bar hop 18,1,2025.


Korean oriented bars, Atlantis bar, QBar, avalon bar, monsoon bar, gold moon bar madonna bar again very short on girls, what girls were working were not great at all but a step up from the western bar girls, korean punter numbers well down, saw no other westerners in these bars at all.What a frickin fake moron!

Q Bar was never and is not a Korean bar. Mostly Westerners. Even in Avalon Bar during this weekend, the crowd was mostly Westerners. Obviously, you've never been there.

Madonna Bar? Yes, I agree it is a Korean bar. Has a Korean owner, Korean papasan, and mostly Korean clientele. LOL! But bar hopping there on January 18? LOL! It was closed this weekend! It just reopened on the 19th.

But fuck the Madonna Bar! As I tried to enter around opening time of 5 pm, the doorman said there is a mandatory drink required just to view. I was going to buy a beer anyways, but I hate to be forced. I'm not sure if that's the policy for the entire night, or just opening time. Later during the night, they had the curtains fully opened. Not that many girls. Also, I asked him what the barfines were. It was about the same as before, between 6K to 12K. I hope Madonna goes out of business. I hate that business model. Highest barfines for girls that aren't that good. Most of the girls are similar to what you can get at other bars. In caveat though, I haven't seen the top 2 12K "Angels" (I was told that's what the 12K girls are called).

There are some good aspects of Madonna Bar though. I spoke with a semi-regular that used to work at Madonna. She said the girls are "required" to performed for multiple shots. She said you have to do it, even if it is for 5 times. I asked her if the girls are allowed to reject customers. She said it depends. With the issues of human trafficking, I thought the girls would be protected. She said if the papasan hears about it, he will get mad, and ask the girl if they think are are princesses. She said the girls can be fired. But I'm guessing if you are in demand, you won't be. My semi-regular girl isn't that cute. LOL! What the waitress told me a few months ago matches; she said the girls are guaranteed to stay with you long time. With those prices, they should be.

For those that are interested, the Dragon Bar is for sale. It is currently advertised in the Blue Book for 17 million pesos (negotiable). 10 year lease. For a failing business, that is a lot of money. That American that bought that bar is an idiot. Why in the world would an American buy a Korean Bar. It has a bad location, but it was THE top Korean bar a few years ago.

[Jarango]

Women with micky mouse degrees get 500 PHP a day here, the cal centre lot clear about 900 PHP a say and you are paying farm hands multiples of that to do a runner.

[ThreeInches]

I haven't seen the top 2 12K "Angels" (I was told that's what the 12K girls are called).This kind a defeats the purpose of why I frequent the Philippines I catch girls on their first few days in the bars or at lease first few weeks.

Korean managers always try to push the MOST fucked girl in the bar stating that "they always get bar fined". Why the hell do I want to fuck the MOST fucked girl in the bar?

So I told him I liked new girls and she kind of switched gears. Evidentially that is what these guys like community vetted girls. Personally I am after the constant infux of fresh meat but to each his own. There are plenty of VIP girls I personally got on the VIP list they and the Korean guys who got my sloppy seconds can thank me for that. I catch them early break them in and over multiple bar fines this creates a snowball effects and I move on to the next fresh batch. Its odd how when I'm balls deep in these women the Koreans are not interested but after they get broken in my old bar fines are fully booked.

[KumuMan]

Women with micky mouse degrees get 500 PHP a day here, the cal centre lot clear about 900 PHP a say and you are paying farm hands multiples of that to do a runner.That came out of left field I agree?

[KumuMan]

What a frickin fake moron!

Q Bar was never and is not a Korean bar. Mostly Westerners. Even in Avalon Bar during this weekend, the crowd was mostly Westerners. Obviously, you've never been there.

Madonna Bar? Yes, I agree it is a Korean bar. Has a Korean owner, Korean papasan, and mostly Korean clientele. LOL! But bar hopping there on January 18? LOL! It was closed this weekend! It just reopened on the 19th.

But fuck the Madonna Bar! As I tried to enter around opening time of 5 pm, the doorman said there is a mandatory drink required just to view. I was going to buy a beer anyways, but I hate to be forced. I'm not sure if that's the policy for the entire night, or just opening time. Later during the night, they had the curtains fully opened. Not that many girls. Also, I asked him what the barfines were. It was about the same as before, between 6K to 12K. I hope Madonna goes out of business. I hate that business model. Highest barfines for girls that aren't that good. Most of the girls are similar to what you can get at other bars. In caveat though, I haven't seen the top 2 12K "Angels" (I was told that's what the 12K girls are called).

There are some good aspects of Madonna Bar though. I spoke with a semi-regular that used to work at Madonna. She said the girls are "required" to performed for multiple shots. She said you have to do it, even if it is for 5 times. I asked her if the girls are allowed to reject customers. She said it depends. With the issues of human trafficking, I thought the girls would be protected. She said if the papasan hears about it, he will get mad, and ask the girl if they think are are princesses. She said the girls can be fired. But I'm guessing if you are in demand, you won't be. My semi-regular girl isn't that cute. LOL! What the waitress told me a few months ago matches; she said the girls are guaranteed to stay with you long time. With those prices, they should be.

For those that are interested, the Dragon Bar is for sale. It is currently advertised in the Blue Book for 17 million pesos (negotiable). 10 year lease. For a failing business, that is a lot of money. That American that bought that bar is an idiot. Why in the world would an American buy a Korean Bar. It has a bad location, but it was THE top Korean bar a few years ago.Sounds like either or is a bar owner?

[Jarango]

Sounds like either or is a bar owner?I hang out with the non p4 p locals and they turn me off the hired holes. Lots of nice women here but life is very hard. The prettys are snapped up by rich foreigners / sponsors and my own gifts were refused, showing we have not a clue what the real rules are. The cops hauled in a neighbour for giving a hooker a hard time. She followed him back to the nest and sent the SWAT in on him. A lot to be said for giving this entire shot show a miss.

[Mr Enternational]

Women with micky mouse degrees get 500 PHP a day here, the cal centre lot clear about 900 PHP a say and you are paying farm hands multiples of that to do a runner.I say the same thing, but guys insist because it is sex work, it should be paid as multiples of what regular people make.

[Mr Enternational]

This kind a defeats the purpose of why I frequent the Philippines I catch girls on their first few days in the bars or at lease first few weeks.

Korean managers always try to push the MOST fucked girl in the bar stating that "they always get bar fined". Why the hell do I want to fuck the MOST fucked girl in the bar?Man this happens in every thread. You get a new girl who requires minimal money. You are cheap and the girl has to be ugly. After she is out there a while and becomes popular and she is booked up and been ran through and guys are giving her all kind of money, she is all of a sudden a top looker and knows her worth. Yeah, give me the new low-key chick.

[ThreeInches]

I say the same thing, but guys insist because it is sex work, it should be paid as multiples of what regular people make.Whos not going to pay $20 for a cheeseburger if their is a pussy in it?

[Jarango]

At breakfast today, the mamasan told me the wildebeest are on the way back after their Christmas migration to the provinces. Apparently we are now coming into high season and so the hired holes return after their lengthy hiatus. I am not sure how the hookers can afford to burger off for the guts of a month but perhaps one of my 19 year old 10/10's exemplifies. Her boyfriend (wtf) is a retired Korean general. Seems Koreans are the best meal tickets these days.

Most Koreans are seedy looking and many of them have gone to seed before their time. Without Angeles they would be virgins. Very heavy Korean gangster scene here. Quiet but menacing and far too many.

Ex military goons floating to slurp your noodles in peace.

[Mr Enternational]

Apparently we are now coming into high season and so the hired holes return after their lengthy hiatus. I am not sure how the hookers can afford to burger off for the guts of a month Because despite popular opinion, they do not have to do that to survive. If any monger learned anything from Covid, then that should have been it.

[Goferring]

Because despite popular opinion, they do not have to do that to survive. If any monger learned anything from Covid, then that should have been it.Agreed. The cost of sitting around home all day is minimal. They return not because they have spent money on cost of living but uncles and boyfriends have drained it all.

G.

[Old And Ugly]

When I used to live in AC, I had a few waitresses in my favorite bars, some I even fucked long time ago, and I got my intel from them, not managers or mamasans, because they have vested interest in pushing certain girls.

Just like 3" I was always getting the newcomers, fresh off the farm, first timers, my preference. Was well worth a LD for the waitress, and a few hundred peso tip. If there was nothing avail, I still tip the waitress, so that I don't create a false narrative just for the tipping.

About the boyfriend bullshit, I don't dig it, what are they still doing in AC in a bar, if there is a wealthy boyfriend in the picture? Just delusional imagination, on their part.

[AceKicker]

Hi. Been a while since the last time I used Clark airport. Does anybody happen to remember if there is any currency exchange there inside international departures area where I can change my leftover pesos into US dollars? Or should I find a place somewhere outside the airport? Thank You.

[LoveItHere69]

When I used to live in AC.

About the boyfriend bullshit, I don't dig it, what are they still doing in AC in a bar, if there is a wealthy boyfriend in the picture? Just delusional imagination, on their part.We use the term GF very loosely. Hell, if Mr. E has sex with a girl, meet her on 2 or more occasions, and likes the girl he uses that term for girls all over the world. Sadly, I believe that he believes that he really has GFs everywhere. Sad really. Anyways, if a guy gives money to a girl on a regular basis he is a BF. If she screws him everytime he comes to town he is a BF. Then there are guys she wants but he does not want her but she still calls him a BF just in case he changes his mind and to ward off other girls at the bar trying to claim him.

I once had an apartment and the two Filipina cousins living next door each had a BF. The slightly older one (23 versus 18) did not cheat on her BF that I knew of. But would I really know if she was or was not since the deed would be at the guys hotel anyways. But the younger one had a Japanese BF, "dated" the bar manager, and worked at the bar. She once had me take pictures for her for her Japanese BF. She borrowed her friends or cousins school uniform, backpack, and books. I took pictures for her to send to her BF so he knew his money was being well spent for her education.

SO many guys are so clueless. She was young and wanted to experience everything and everyone she wanted. She had tons of money at her age. She screwed when and who she wanted, guys bought gifts and took her on trips, got drunk whenever she felt the need, paid for her friends to party, and the list goes on. How many girls do you think would walk away from that to go sit home alone bored or in the province and feed the pigs while being bossed around by her parents and with a curfew like a child again? Better to work the bar from time to time and find another sucker to support her and her family because there are so many guys who can not believe that a girl would still work at a bar if she had a rich BF. There are even guys living in AC that can not believe this so guess how easy it is to get a guy not living in AC to believe she is a good faithful wholesome princess. Fking amazing!

[Jarango]

Whenever you see a good looking early morning babe with a big, brown envelope, hit on her as she is just after getting the results of her "hygiene" test. Plenty of these angels in the streets at the back of Johnnys. I got a nice one this morning on her way at 10 am home past Phillies. Some of them are passable when scrubbed up, though their asses show they have already calved.

On the subject of working in bars when they have an overseas boyfriend, I could never figure out why butchers keep selling meat even after they have made a big sale.

Walking back down Walking Street and seeing the Koreans up for an early root, some of those mid 20's hookers are already waving bye bye to their youth. Back in the hotel, I passed a Korean teenager showing the two tattooed ladies who had just done s 3 some with him to the door. What a fine young gentleman, what two lovely ladies and what awful tattoos.

The dwarf beggar was pan handling away. He supports his mother. Please give him something as I don't.

[Manny51]

Hey fellas,

Going to be in AC for my first time in a month. Really looking forward to it!

Some last minute questions:

1. I remember the last time I came to the PI about 10 years ago, there was a scam going on called "Tanim Bala" where people at the airport would slip a bullet into your luggage in order to extract a bribe. At that time, I followed some advice and bought a clamshell-type suitcase to protect myself. But that suitcase is small, and I would rather use a larger, normal zipper suitcase. Is that scam still going on?

2. I am staying at the ABC, and I got a letter reminding me that I will need a COVID antigen test that is less than 3 days old? Is this for real? Or is it just a form letter? I mean, I can buy a home antigen test and bring it, but see'Mon. Man. Its 2025.

3. Best places to exchange currency and buy party favors?

Thanks in advance!

[LoveItHere69]

On the subject of working in bars when they have an overseas boyfriend, I could never figure out why butchers keep selling meat even after they have made a big sale.
Obviously they do it because I have had it happen many times and have read so many stories about a guy screwing a girl and he has to stop or slow down and be quiet while she takes a call from her BF.

1. She simply loves sex.

2. She is bored and needs something to do.

3. Free gifts and vacations.

4. Social aspect of being with her friends inside and outside the bar.

5. Money from foreigner BF to pay her Filipino BF.

6. Gets to play Big Dog paying for her friends at the karaoke.

7. Loves to drink for free and gets paid for it at the bar and never has to actually sex the guy if she does not wish to.

8. She hates the BF and loves the thrill of playing the fool for his money while I lay between her legs and pound her (done it several times).

6. More BF idiots sending more money for her family.

7. She knows that foreigners are liars from older sisters and that the foreigner will never take her to the promised land or that her paperwork will be denied so better to back several horses in the race. Look at that idiot ***** Christine from Geckos fame 11+ years ago. She now works at Rhapsody as a waitress and still talks about going to USA.

I could go on and on and on. What I can not figure out is why you guys can not figure this out.

[LoveItHere69]

On the subject of working in bars when they have an overseas boyfriend, I could never figure out why butchers keep selling meat even after they have made a big sale.
Obviously they do it because I have had it happen many times and have read so many stories about a guy screwing a girl and he has to stop or slow down and be quiet while she takes a call from her BF.

1. She simply loves sex.

2. She is bored and needs something to do.

3. Free gifts and vacations.

4. Social aspect of being with her friends inside and outside the bar.

5. Money from foreigner BF to pay her Filipino BF.

6. Gets to play Big Dog paying for her friends at the karaoke.

7. Loves to drink for free and gets paid for it at the bar and never has to actually sex the guy if she does not wish to.

8. She hates the BF and loves the thrill of playing the fool for his money while I lay between her legs and pound her (done it several times).

6. More BF idiots sending more money for her family.

7. She knows that foreigners are liars from older sisters and that the foreigner will never take her to the promised land or that her paperwork will be denied so better to back several horses in the race. Look at that idiot * Christine from Geckos fame 11+ years ago. She now works at Rhapsody as a waitress and still talks about going to USA.

I could go on and on and on. What I can not figure out is why you guys can not figure this out.

[LuvChicas]

Hey fellas,

Going to be in AC for my first time in a month. Really looking forward to it!

Some last minute questions:

1. I remember the last time I came to the PI about 10 years ago, there was a scam going on called "Tanim Bala" where people at the airport would slip a bullet into your luggage in order to extract a bribe. At that time, I followed some advice and bought a clamshell-type suitcase to protect myself. But that suitcase is small, and I would rather use a larger, normal zipper suitcase. Is that scam still going on?

2. I am staying at the ABC, and I got a letter reminding me that I will need a COVID antigen test that is less than 3 days old? Is this for real? Or is it just a form letter? I mean, I can buy a home antigen test and bring it, but see'Mon. Man. Its 2025.

3. Best places to exchange currency and buy party favors?

Thanks in advance!Haven't seen or heard any bullet scams lately.

No recent covid test results required.

Decent forex can be had after int'l arrivals or Walking street.

But you do need do fill out (free) on-line entry application at etravel. Gov. Ph and get a QR within 3 days of arrival. Have a great trip.

[Jarango]

Cops back at the hotel after a brace of Korean scrote's who did a runner without paying their bills. Laptops, shoes etc confiscated in part mitigation. The scrotes were employed locally. Many of these Koreans are low life mafia.

[WestCoast1]

1. I remember the last time I came to the PI about 10 years ago, there was a scam going on called "Tanim Bala" where people at the airport would slip a bullet into your luggage in order to extract a bribe. At that time, I followed some advice and bought a clamshell-type suitcase to protect myself. But that suitcase is small, and I would rather use a larger, normal zipper suitcase. Is that scam still going on?Ya that was about a dozen years back. When it became public that the NAIA security were planting bullets, the government cracked down on the culprits. Haven't heard of it since.


2. I am staying at the ABC, and I got a letter reminding me that I will need a COVID antigen test that is less than 3 days old? Is this for real? Or is it just a form letter? I mean, I can buy a home antigen test and bring it, but see'Mon. Man. Its 2025.You got a letter from whom? ABC? Your airline? The government? Just guessing that they are still being auto-generated. Pinoy aren't famous for stopping a practice started long ago, but no longer needed. See the pic. Pretty much every elevator in the country went to maximum 4-person occupancy in Phils during covid, and those stickers were placed on the floor. They are still there in almost every hotel and public place. Also the mask signs on doors are still up. You can probably ignore that letter, but maybe better to call the hotel to be sure. Have not heard of anyone needing a covid test for about 2 years. I flew in last year, no covid test was needed.


3. Best places to exchange currency and buy party favors?At the airport upon arrival after clearing Customs. Rates on the US dollar are still good (about 58-1). Any street money changer.

[Old And Ugly]

Whenever you see a good looking early morning babe with a big, brown envelope, hit on her as she is just after getting the results of her "hygiene" test. Plenty of these angels in the streets at the back of Johnnys. I got a nice one this morning on her way at 10 am home past Phillies. Some of them are passable when scrubbed up, though their asses show they have already calved.

On the subject of working in bars when they have an overseas boyfriend, I could never figure out why butchers keep selling meat even after they have made a big sale.

Walking back down Walking Street and seeing the Koreans up for an early root, some of those mid 20's hookers are already waving bye bye to their youth. Back in the hotel, I passed a Korean teenager showing the two tattooed ladies who had just done s 3 some with him to the door. What a fine young gentleman, what two lovely ladies and what awful tattoos.

The dwarf beggar was pan handling away. He supports his mother. Please give him something as I don't.I don't give money to the miniature Dustin Hofmann, but I buy him food at the carinderia across from Royal Amsterdam, almost daily when I'm there, that way I'm helping the ladies that run the place also. I do that because I think he's unemployable, just like the 2 one legged girls selling chewing gum. (one of them is doable if somebody has a one leg fantasy). Angel Witch (ex Voodoo) has a fat dwarf dancer, but no place for a male dwarf, in Mexico he could compete in the dwarf boxing championship.

About the young koreans, and their western counterparts, even at my old age I feel petty for them, why pay for pussy when you're young and good looking? There must be something really wrong with them. I don't envy them at all.

[Kazeu]

I don't give money to the miniature Dustin Hofmann, but I buy him food at the carinderia across from Royal Amsterdam, almost daily when I'm there, that way I'm helping the ladies that run the place also. I do that because I think he's unemployable, just like the 2 one legged girls selling chewing gum. (one of them is doable if somebody has a one leg fantasy). Angel Witch (ex Voodoo) has a fat dwarf dancer, but no place for a male dwarf, in Mexico he could compete in the dwarf boxing championship.

About the young koreans, and their western counterparts, even at my old age I feel petty for them, why pay for pussy when you're young and good looking? There must be something really wrong with them. I don't envy them at all.Have you been to Korea? Korean girls don't put out easy. A lot of feminism is taking hold there too. If I were korean I would do exactly what they are doing. Its close. Its relatively cheap. Good for them. Bad for us westerners.

[Dg8787]

Hey fellas,

Going to be in AC for my first time in a month. Really looking forward to it!

Some last minute questions:

1. I remember the last time I came to the PI about 10 years ago, there was a scam going on called "Tanim Bala" where people at the airport would slip a bullet into your luggage in order to extract a bribe. At that time, I followed some advice and bought a clamshell-type suitcase to protect myself. But that suitcase is small, and I would rather use a larger, normal zipper suitcase. Is that scam still going on?

2. I am staying at the ABC, and I got a letter reminding me that I will need a COVID antigen test that is less than 3 days old? Is this for real? Or is it just a form letter? I mean, I can buy a home antigen test and bring it, but see'Mon. Man. Its 2025.

3. Best places to exchange currency and buy party favors?

Thanks in advance!1. Bullet scam was ended by Pres Dutere by making new law that decriminalized having a bullet found in luggage. They are instructed to take the bullet away and let you go on your merry way.

2. No such letter from ABC. Nor any Covid test required. Make sure you do online Etravel. Ph 72 hours before arrival.

3. NAIA terminal 3 money exchange is good. Also Norma's money exchange in Angeles. Idk what you mean by party favors.

[Wadesi]

Hey Folks, new to the Int forums but regular on the US site. Trying to read up as much as possible. Going to Tokyo in March and have a few days to monger at the end of my trip. There are great cheap non stops to both Manila and Angeles. Any recommendations for a first timer to Phils between the two on a short (2-3 day) trip? Primary goal is mongering. Don't plan on sight seeing on such a short itinerary. Any advise would be helpful. Previous mongering experience in Tijuana and BKK so not new but alot of conflicting opinions so trying to get some updated recommendations. Cheers folks! Happy NY!

[MoonShot]

Have you been to Korea? Korean girls don't put out easy. A lot of feminism is taking hold there too. If I were korean I would do exactly what they are doing. Its close. Its relatively cheap. Good for them. Bad for us westerners.I agree. Dating in South Korea is just as difficult as dating in the West. So in the west you have the passport bros movement. Mongering in South Korea is more expensive and the Philippines is a short cheap flight so it does make sense for young men in South Korea to visit the Philippines.

[Old And Ugly]

Have you been to Korea? Korean girls don't put out easy. A lot of feminism is taking hold there too. If I were korean I would do exactly what they are doing. Its close. Its relatively cheap. Good for them. Bad for us westerners.Yes I been to Korea many times, never felt like I had the slightest chance on fucking anything there, just like home in the US, therefore I didn't even tried, and on top of that there is the language and culture barrier. So I resorted to the P4 P scene, that is also limited, but I sticked to the rule that if the ad or sign is in english, then they will serve me also, and it worked indeed. But, a big but, I'm not local, not accustomed to the lifestyle, and most important, old and ugly, unlike the guys that look like girls, coming from Korea to AC. The ratio of F / M in Korea according to professor google is equal, so all these young girls need to be fucked too, doesn't matter how feminazied they are. This is why I'm considering them losers, unless they are the married kind, going to do "business" or "scuba" in PH, then hats off to them.

I'm absolutely 100% sure that if I was hitting on any woman my age, that's available, there wouldn't be any problem getting them in bed, but I'm fucked up in the head (just like the rest of the older gents here) and I like my pussies in their 20's, so that will not be happening any time soon in Korea, US, or Europe, unless I become a multimillionaire over night, or a Hollywood celebrity.

[Transporter]

Hey Folks, new to the Int forums but regular on the US site. Trying to read up as much as possible. Going to Tokyo in March and have a few days to monger at the end of my trip. There are great cheap non stops to both Manila and Angeles. Any recommendations for a first timer to Phils between the two on a short (2-3 day) trip? Primary goal is mongering. Don't plan on sight seeing on such a short itinerary. Any advise would be helpful. Previous mongering experience in Tijuana and BKK so not new but alot of conflicting opinions so trying to get some updated recommendations. Cheers folks! Happy NY!On a short trip its a simple call, just go to AC. Manila does have higher quality and more selection, but navigating logistics might be a problem if you are unfamiliar. At least in AC its all in your face, its all dropdown menus so any wrong turns can easily be fixed and time not wasted. Go straight from the airport to your hotel in AC and repeat on your way back.

[ThreeInches]

I'm absolutely 100% sure that if I was hitting on any woman my age, that's available, there wouldn't be any problem getting them in bedA monger doesn't do this because its a last resort. I had 2 Girlfriends and fucked trade show girls for free when I used to go to Vegas when I was younger but at night in las Vegas still bought hookers to mess around with. Unless you are a piece of shit having a girlfriend or free sex oftentimes cost more than paid sex. Paid sex is transactional no baggage and you get exactly what you are after without any bullshit. I really don't see why you are confused as you I guess see mongering as a means of last resort due to being ugly. How ugly are you Rekay ugly?

[Locamotive]

Have you been to Korea? Korean girls don't put out easy. A lot of feminism is taking hold there too. If I were korean I would do exactly what they are doing. Its close. Its relatively cheap. Good for them. Bad for us westerners.Yes unfortunately I agree, feminism is moving across the planet like a cancer. Its already gotten into Korea and Japan and its moving south. Due to economic conditions in SEA it may slow down a bit but I figure we got maybe 10 or 15 years before its here in Philippines as well. Hope I'm wrong, enjoy this while you can.

[Goferring]

Hey Folks, new to the Int forums but regular on the US site. Trying to read up as much as possible. Going to Tokyo in March and have a few days to monger at the end of my trip. There are great cheap non stops to both Manila and Angeles. Any recommendations for a first timer to Phils between the two on a short (2-3 day) trip? Primary goal is mongering. Don't plan on sight seeing on such a short itinerary. Any advise would be helpful. Previous mongering experience in Tijuana and BKK so not new but alot of conflicting opinions so trying to get some updated recommendations. Cheers folks! Happy NY!What's your budget? For a 2-3 day millionaire, don't even leave Manila. P Burgos is designed for that. Get a AirBnB in Greenbelt, dinner at BGC, bar hop and girls along P Burgos, and meet online or Seeking girls at Glorietta, if you're up to it during the day.

Enjoy. G.

[Jarango]

Time for this old trooper to saddle up. And ride off into the sunset. My experience has been almost totally with non P4 ps. Ageing American butterflies should leave the breakfast waitresses alone as they can smell your partners a mile off. The motorbikes, dog shit and holes in the sidewalks are major turn offs. Getting to the end here without breaking an ankle is an achievement to be proud of. I have been hit on in Balibago early morning by countless hookers in their down time. Ditto around the hygiene centre behind Johnnys. I can't really see why guys settle here. The hookers are a turn off, the heat is uncomfortable and the question as to how to kill time and squander your life away arises.

There are quite a few white foreigners here who have lost their marbles and many others just shuffle along. I am sure there are scammers galore in their midst. I get the attraction of bonking dozens of LBFMs but that is past tense for me. I have a nice girl but their lives are physically hard. There are nice women here but they deserve better. I am not sure if I will be back as coming here, being here and leaving here are all chores.

[Mr Enternational]

I can't really see why guys settle here. The hookers are a turn off, the heat is uncomfortable and the question as to how to kill time and squander your life away arises.

I am not sure if I will be back as coming here, being here and leaving here are all chores.That was a perfect summary. Unfortunately I have to go there for a few days next week for some medical stuff before heading to Leyte for scuba diving.

[Expat American]

Time for this old trooper to saddle up. And ride off into the sunset. My experience has been almost totally with non P4 ps. Ageing American butterflies should leave the breakfast waitresses alone as they can smell your partners a mile off. The motorbikes, dog shit and holes in the sidewalks are major turn offs. Getting to the end here without breaking an ankle is an achievement to be proud of. I have been hit on in Balibago early morning by countless hookers in their down time. Ditto around the hygiene centre behind Johnnys. I can't really see why guys settle here. The hookers are a turn off, the heat is uncomfortable and the question as to how to kill time and squander your life away arises.

There are quite a few white foreigners here who have lost their marbles and many others just shuffle along. I am sure there are scammers galore in their midst. I get the attraction of bonking dozens of LBFMs but that is past tense for me. I have a nice girl but their lives are physically hard. There are nice women here but they deserve better. I am not sure if I will be back as coming here, being here and leaving here are all chores.I also can't imagine living there. However, some years ago, in Midnight Cowboy I saw quite a few White expats in their 70's and up having a great time dancing with their Filipina wives in theirs 50's. I couldn't help thinking they had a much better life than most of their fellow age people back in the US. If you retire in AC as a permanent sexpat, its probably a sad miserable existence. But if you manage to find a decent partner and live a more "normal" life, its not that bad compared to the alternative I suppose. As with everything in life, it is what you make of it.

[Expat American]

Hey Folks, new to the Int forums but regular on the US site. Trying to read up as much as possible. Going to Tokyo in March and have a few days to monger at the end of my trip. There are great cheap non stops to both Manila and Angeles. Any recommendations for a first timer to Phils between the two on a short (2-3 day) trip? Primary goal is mongering. Don't plan on sight seeing on such a short itinerary. Any advise would be helpful. Previous mongering experience in Tijuana and BKK so not new but alot of conflicting opinions so trying to get some updated recommendations. Cheers folks! Happy NY!Do you have to go to the Philippines? If you can make it to Thailand it will be a better first experience in SEA. If it has to be the Philippines and you can fly directly to CRK, do that. You waste less time in transit because the airport is empty and only 10 min drive from Walking Street. All the bars in a small area you can walk around and the system is straightforward. Its nothing like it used to be but since you never saw those days, and your reference is the US, you will still have a good time.

[LoveItHere69]

That was a perfect summary. Unfortunately I have to go there for a few days next week for some medical stuff before heading to Leyte for scuba diving.You say you have lived in Pattaya for 15 years but you go to Angeles City for medical stuff. That makes no sense. Thailand has far better medical anything and everything.

[Old And Ugly]

A monger doesn't do this because its a last resort. I had 2 Girlfriends and fucked trade show girls for free when I used to go to Vegas when I was younger but at night in las Vegas still bought hookers to mess around with. Unless you are a piece of shit having a girlfriend or free sex oftentimes cost more than paid sex. Paid sex is transactional no baggage and you get exactly what you are after without any bullshit. I really don't see why you are confused as you I guess see mongering as a mea and ons of last resort due to being ugly. How ugly are you Rekay ugly?Hehehe, my GF tells me that I'm gorgeous, but when I look in the mirror, and I see that I look totally different than the image of myself that I have in my mind, all I can say is WTF happened?

Yes I did pay for sex a few times in my younger years, but it was always like group of friends that spontaneously decided to "let's go fuck some", and later also after I got married, and just like the drug addicts, I just needed "one more fix". But I did mentioned in my rant, "hats off if they (the koreans) are the married kind". Probably those were the better times, when you can compliment a lady, without being called a rapist. When I was still young and single I did a lot of fucking sprees overseas too, but I never paid for, at least not directly.

Back to our korean friends: I had close interactions with koreans and chinese, I go on lots of cruises, and you're forced to live together with a few thousands of them for a week or two, and unwillingly you observe them daily, and all I have to say is that is far from the reality portrayed in all the soap operas on the PH TV. The chinese are acting like animals, not the slightest trace of human behavior, always yelling, coughing blowing their nose on the carpet, pushing everybody away, not waiting in any line and more. The koreans are also very uncivilized, not as bad as the chinese, but right next to them, minus the pushing and the yelling.

In US I have 2 separate families of wealthy koreans as good friends, and yes they are the kind that you see in the soap operas, extremely civilized, and respectful, even if they are multimillionaires, but all I see here in Asia is just the kind I mentioned above, I understand that not everybody is wealthy, and well educated, in the rest of the world there is the same mix of people, but without this kind of behaviour.

[Manny51]

1. Bullet scam was ended by Pres Dutere by making new law that decriminalized having a bullet found in luggage. They are instructed to take the bullet away and let you go on your merry way.

2. No such letter from ABC. Nor any Covid test required. Make sure you do online Etravel. Ph 72 hours before arrival.

3. NAIA terminal 3 money exchange is good. Also Norma's money exchange in Angeles. Idk what you mean by party favors.2. Wow, thanks for the heads up on eTravel! I guess that has been new since this past summer? I have some books on the PI and watch travelogs on Youtube, but I hadn't seen anyone mention that yet.

I got a message from the ABC passed to me through booking.com, saying I required a COVID antigen test that was no more than 3 days old in order to check in. But when I messaged and emailed them back, I get no response.

3. For "party favors," I meant Vit see and V.

I am landing at CRK airport. Is the rate at the airport substantially better or worse than in town?

Thanks again!

[Mr Enternational]

3. For "party favors," I meant Vit see and V.Cocaine and Viagra? Dude speak clearly.

[Old And Ugly]

2. Wow, thanks for the heads up on eTravel! I guess that has been new since this past summer? I have some books on the PI and watch travelogs on Youtube, but I hadn't seen anyone mention that yet.

I got a message from the ABC passed to me through booking.com, saying I required a COVID antigen test that was no more than 3 days old in order to check in. But when I messaged and emailed them back, I get no response.

3. For "party favors," I meant Vit see and V.

I am landing at CRK airport. Is the rate at the airport substantially better or worse than in town?

Thanks again!Just completely forget the covid scam ever happened, don't worry about it.

You can buy vitamins at the pharmacy, don't buy from the street vendors, you never know what you're getting.

Unfortunately regardless of the rate, you'll have to exchange money at the airport, for the taxi, you need 5-600 P, don't rely on the ATMs, they may not work.

I'm using Western Union cash to myself, or transfer to my GF bank account, is cheaper than 250 P fee for every 10 K at the ATM, and whatever else your bank is charging you, I pay 3-4 $ for 100 K.

[WestCoast1]

2. Wow, thanks for the heads up on eTravel! I guess that has been new since this past summer? I have some books on the PI and watch travelogs on Youtube, but I hadn't seen anyone mention that yet.We've been covering eTravel for 3 years. It started during covid. Its the Phils government discovering if you are sick when entering, and where you will be staying. There is an app you download and enter your info (Flight #, illness info, hotel where you will stay, blah blah). You do this within the 72 hours prior to your flight's anticipated departure time. When you have completed the info, the app gives you a QR code which you screenshot. Then show the QR code to Phils Immigration if asked for it. Better, subscribe to Jennifer Terri's YT channel, she covers specifically Phils Immigration problems for foreigners (we been talkin' about her for a couple of years also). Here is her most recent regarding eTravel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhSNN0k8x-0

ETravel website: https://etravel.gov.ph/.


I got a message from the ABC passed to me through booking.com, saying I required a COVID antigen test that was no more than 3 days old in order to check in. But when I messaged and emailed them back, I get no response.Covered this issue 3 days ago.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2977498&viewfull=1#post2977498

Better to pick up the phone and call ABC directly. No one in Phils is famous for timely customer response via email or FB.


3. For "party favors," I meant Vit see and V.From memory last year, street vendors sell both pills and jelly packets.

Alternately go to the pharmacies in the area and just buy some. If one pharmacy insists on a prescription, go to any clinic and ask a doctor for a prescription; or alternately try a different pharmacy.


I am landing at CRK airport. Is the rate at the airport substantially better or worse than in town?Not sure, but the difference will be within 1-2 peso or so. Depending on how desperate you are for money, its easy to exchange a small amount of your money (say, $50 USD) at the airport initially so that you will have money for a taxi and your first meal. At that point you can hit a street vendor for money exchange. There is a popular exchange place on WS just across the street from the Atlantis-Carousel area.

[Jarango]

Walking past ABC hotel at noon, a grab triker delivered two young hookers in those knock of evening gowns and cheap handbags for two or more lucky Koreans to drill. Walking back 40. Minutes later, Korean vans pulling up, Koreans taking go go gals from bars, bikini clad hookers with too many miles on the click giving me half hearted come ONS from their clubs, no hookers outside Phillies going up and only two younger ones on the way back. As always, the best thing about that return trip is not breaking an ankle. There is the old insult about not being able to walk and chew gum. Walking, gingerly, is enough for this run down strip.

[Expat American]

In US I have 2 separate families of wealthy koreans as good friends, and yes they are the kind that you see in the soap operas, extremely civilized, and respectful, even if they are multimillionaires, but all I see here in Asia is just the kind I mentioned above, I understand that not everybody is wealthy, and well educated, in the rest of the world there is the same mix of people, but without this kind of behaviour.You must be joking. Have you been to any city in America? Or London or Paris or Rome? At least in Korea and China there is minimal to no crime in the streets. You can't walk the streets of any major European capital now without watching for pick pockets. In America you worry about getting shot. Thanks, but I will take Asia and Asians any day over western countries.

[PhilJoy]

You can buy vitamins at the pharmacy, don't buy from the street vendors, you never know what you're getting.Sound advice Ugly.

A few years ago I had a vascular operation on my leg and when the conversation came up with my doctor, she actually suggested Vitamin V because of its potential to lower blood pressure. Sure, I may pay more for it prescribed here in Australia (the price has come down considerably, especially with pharmacy generic brands), but she did say never buy it on the street or over the internet as you don't know what you're getting.

With the heart rate peaking with a pretty Filipina giving you a ride, it's best to look after yourself and hospitals in the Phils aren't that inviting. As Westie suggested, you can grab some at a pharmacy in the Phils, as opposed to buying it on the street.

And one pill a day is ample for me and always does the trick _ Phil.

[AceKicker]

Landed Friday morning to Clark airport. Tried to catch grab taxi but none was available so had to rely on normal taxi. Charged me 600 p to ScoreBirds. Nothing has changed this hotel in past two years rooms still clean, food is good and overall atmosphere quite pleasant.

Did some bar hopping but didn't get wasted any of the 3 nights. First lady I found trough Tinder App. Quoted 2000 p for short time fun. Ex bargirl now starting to lose her looks but delivered like a pro so overall experience was good.

Here are some bars I went into and my opinion about them:

Club Atlantis. Glory days are far away. None of the dancers looked particularly stunning I'd say to my eye 5's and some 6's. Local beer was 150 p didn't buy LD or quote BF.

Carousel. Few stunners to my eyes and girl wear bikini. Overall good wibe and quite packed both Friday and Saturday. Sunday was more quiet. Local beer 150 p and LD 350 p.

Dollhouse. Same as Club Atlantis saw nothing there and won't be going back. Prices same too.

Baccara. Korean Bar. Noisy and people smoke cigarettes indoor. My eye didn't catch anything special there either but saw Koreans walking in and taking some girls out without bothering to even sit down. Local beer 200 and LD 400 so expensive too.

Viking. Good atmosphere and pretty packed even Sunday evening. Didn't see any stunners there either but couple of solid 7's for sure. Unfortunately most expensive bar from the ones I went with Local Beer 210 LD 350 and Barfine 5500 pesos only sir.

XS. Reminded me what Club Atlantis used to be in it's prime. Lots of girls wearing evening gowns and dance show. Still I didn't see anyone stunning there either. Local beer 150 LD 350.

Genesis. This bar has discounted prices "Back to Pandemic prices" They advert (they told me bar is for sale). Also Korean bar but not as noisy as some of the others. Few ok looking girls too but mostly nothing special. They charged me Local beer 150 and LD 300 so didn't notice any discount there. Took a girl out from there too. Barfine was 4000 p and agreed she would stay until midnight (went out maybe 9 pm). Anyways girl looked looked good with slim body, aged 27 and no baby. Back in the room came the disappointment. First no kissing lips only boobs. Pussy was hairy and no kissing pussy either. Wouldn't give a blowjob and insisted using a rubber. Sex was awful since my dick didn't fit all into her and she kept on fake moaning even I realise she's not enjoying it. So told her quit the theater and told she can finish me with her hand. After the deed was done she rallied away before it was even 10 pm. So it was a bad experience but as a long time monger I've learn that sometimes shit happen.

[Dg8787]

2. Wow, thanks for the heads up on eTravel! I guess that has been new since this past summer? I have some books on the PI and watch travelogs on Youtube, but I hadn't seen anyone mention that yet.

I got a message from the ABC passed to me through booking.com, saying I required a COVID antigen test that was no more than 3 days old in order to check in. But when I messaged and emailed them back, I get no response.

3. For "party favors," I meant Vit see and V.

I am landing at CRK airport. Is the rate at the airport substantially better or worse than in town?

Thanks again!You can buy your vitamins without a script down the street from ABC at Watson's Drugs and Southstars Drugs. Just belly up to the counter and ask for your generic V. They will ask you 50 MG or 100 MG and how many?

Landing at CRK just look for a Blue taxi. Fixed rate is 500 pesos.

[AceKicker]

take more than a few minutes and the princess will start screwing her face up and claiming she's in pain and one takes too long to finishExact description of the experience I had with the girl from Genesis.

[WestCoast1]

You must be joking. Have you been to any city in America? Or London or Paris or Rome? At least in Korea and China there is minimal to no crime in the streets. You can't walk the streets of any major European capital now without watching for pick pockets. In America you worry about getting shot. Thanks, but I will take Asia and Asians any day over western countries.Respectfully disagree. I buzz in and out of the US at least annually. LA, Fresno, Chicago (and 2 other midwest cities). Feel comfortable walking around even at night, and don't worry about getting shot. OTOH wouldn't want to be a high school student. Your post suggests that Americans (or visitors) should feel uncomfortable going to the bowling alley or 7-11, or letting their kids play around the neighborhood. We still do it and don't look over our shoulders.

OTOH I agree that violent crime is lower here. The majority of crime here is the sale and use of a certain smokable type of meth. Violent crime here is either rare, or rarely reported.

I'm with ME. Can't live in fear.

[Old And Ugly]

Sound advice Ugly.

A few years ago I had a vascular operation on my leg and when the conversation came up with my doctor, she actually suggested Vitamin V because of its potential to lower blood pressure. Sure, I may pay more for it prescribed here in Australia (the price has come down considerably, especially with pharmacy generic brands), but she did say never buy it on the street or over the internet as you don't know what you're getting.

With the heart rate peaking with a pretty Filipina giving you a ride, it's best to look after yourself and hospitals in the Phils aren't that inviting. As Westie suggested, you can grab some at a pharmacy in the Phils, as opposed to buying it on the street.

And one pill a day is ample for me and always does the trick _ Phil.I'm not using any, I'm amazed too on how well my instrument works.

I tried once 15-20 years ago when it first came out, but the side effects were so bad, that I thought I was dying, never tried again. Now I have 2 stents, put in about 8 years ago, and I was told that I can't use vitamins anyway, but since the stents, I'm like new.

[Old And Ugly]

You must be joking. Have you been to any city in America? Or London or Paris or Rome? At least in Korea and China there is minimal to no crime in the streets. You can't walk the streets of any major European capital now without watching for pick pockets. In America you worry about getting shot. Thanks, but I will take Asia and Asians any day over western countries.I never said that's not safe in Korea, or China, I simply said that they are behaving like animals, completely opposite from how they are portrayed in movies and such. There are "animals" in the west also, but nothing like this.

However despite all the bad things shown on the daily news, that are happening in the US, I never, ever had any bad encounter or witnessed something bad my entire life, I lived in Cleveland and Vegas, and my job took me almost daily to the worst parts of town. I also traveled more than most humans on this planet, all over the world, in all kind of places.

My own list of dangerous places, not based on nobody's else opinion, or official statistics is: everything south of the border all the way down to Brazil, Costa Rica not included, then pockets of violent crime in big cities all over the world, and the war zones. If you know how to prevent and mitigate, and what to do if it happens, you're good to go. If something bad is going to happen to you, it will, regardless of the place.

[Turgid]

......My own list of dangerous places, not based on nobody's else opinion, or official statistics is: everything south of the border all the way down to Brazil, Costa Rica not included.......Panama included?

[Old And Ugly]

Panama included?Yes, but not everywhere, last time I was there was maybe 10 years ago, and there were few neighborhoods in Panama City that were off limits, one of them was the old city, that's been rebuild, and became now a fancy restaurant & bar area. The taxi driver told me, "go to the right, don't go across the street, it's extremely dangerous", after he left, he backed up, opened the window, and told me one more time, not to go across the street. Guess what? Of course I did, very shady characters, gang bangers, dilapidated buildings, etc. Also where the old US Army barracks were, looks like is not the right place to venture day or night.

[Mr Enternational]

Yes, but not everywhere, last time I was there was maybe 10 years ago, and there were few neighborhoods in Panama City that were off limits, one of them was the old city, that's been rebuild, and became now a fancy restaurant & bar area. The taxi driver told me, "go to the right, don't go across the street, it's extremely dangerous", after he left, he backed up, opened the window, and told me one more time, not to go across the street. Guess what? Of course I did, very shady characters, gang bangers, dilapidated buildings, etc. Also where the old US Army barracks were, looks like is not the right place to venture day or night.La Mayor. That was where the fun was. Fucking chicks for $10.

[Mr Enternational]

2. I am staying at the ABC, and I got a letter reminding me that I will need a COVID antigen test that is less than 3 days old? Is this for real? Or is it just a form letter? I mean, I can buy a home antigen test and bring it, but see'Mon. Man. Its 2025.I just filled in my immigration form for tomorrow and this is the message that was on the screen.

[NapaSlapper]

What a frickin fake moron!

Q Bar was never and is not a Korean bar. Mostly Westerners. Even in Avalon Bar during this weekend, the crowd was mostly Westerners. Obviously, you've never been there.

Madonna Bar? Yes, I agree it is a Korean bar. Has a Korean owner, Korean papasan, and mostly Korean clientele. LOL! But bar hopping there on January 18? LOL! It was closed this weekend! It just reopened on the 19th.

But fuck the Madonna Bar! As I tried to enter around opening time of 5 pm, the doorman said there is a mandatory drink required just to view. I was going to buy a beer anyways, but I hate to be forced. I'm not sure if that's the policy for the entire night, or just opening time. Later during the night, they had the curtains fully opened. Not that many girls. Also, I asked him what the barfines were. It was about the same as before, between 6K to 12K. I hope Madonna goes out of business. I hate that business model. Highest barfines for girls that aren't that good. Most of the girls are similar to what you can get at other bars. In caveat though, I haven't seen the top 2 12K "Angels" (I was told that's what the 12K girls are called).

There are some good aspects of Madonna Bar though. I spoke with a semi-regular that used to work at Madonna. She said the girls are "required" to performed for multiple shots. She said you have to do it, even if it is for 5 times. I asked her if the girls are allowed to reject customers. She said it depends. With the issues of human trafficking, I thought the girls would be protected. She said if the papasan hears about it, he will get mad, and ask the girl if they think are are princesses. She said the girls can be fired. But I'm guessing if you are in demand, you won't be. My semi-regular girl isn't that cute. LOL! What the waitress told me a few months ago matches; she said the girls are guaranteed to stay with you long time. With those prices, they should be.

For those that are interested, the Dragon Bar is for sale. It is currently advertised in the Blue Book for 17 million pesos (negotiable). 10 year lease. For a failing business, that is a lot of money. That American that bought that bar is an idiot. Why in the world would an American buy a Korean Bar. It has a bad location, but it was THE top Korean bar a few years ago.Best advice is do not beleive a word that comes out of a bar girls mouth and worse still claim it as truth to the forum members.

It seems that madonna bar just don't like the look of you and don't want your custom or money, why, well there is no minimal drinks limit to enter madonna bar and every one else can get laid by the most popular girls at madonna for 6,000 peso so Yet again its obvious your not wanted if the same girls are quoting you or telling you there are 12,000 peso standard bar fines at madonna bar.

Further your claims of girls at madonna bar or any other bar are forced to go with customers they don't want to, have to stay a certain amount of time with said customer or have to perform any amount of sexual customer demands is just pure fantasy on your part, want proof then read the very strict human traffic laws that cover exactly this, for the last time, no girls are controlled by their bar and the girls are totally free to choose why, when, how long and who with they choose to spend time with, anything else is a clear breach of the human traffic laws which no bar owner wants to face or run the risk of.

[Mr Enternational]

It seems that madonna bar just don't like the look of you and don't want your custom or money, why, well there is no minimal drinks limit to enter madonna bar and every one else can get laid by the most popular girls at madonna for 6,000 peso so Yet again its obvious your not wanted if the same girls are quoting you or telling you there are 12,000 peso standard bar fines at madonna bar.Actually I am standing in front of Madonna right now. There is literally a sign that says you have to buy drinks to enter. The left side of the sign says "minimum drink order and basic manners to enter" in English. The right side of the sign is in Korean.

The guy at the door said I can not just come in to look around. I asked him how much was bar fine. He said "6 to 12. " I said 6 to 12 depending on what? He said depending on the girl. I walked away.

[Mr Enternational]

It seems that madonna bar just don't like the look of you and don't want your custom or money, why, well there is no minimal drinks limit to enter madonna bar and every one else can get laid by the most popular girls at madonna for 6,000 peso so Yet again its obvious your not wanted if the same girls are quoting you or telling you there are 12,000 peso standard bar fines at madonna bar.Sorry if this is a duplicate, but being that I am moderated, I do not know if the previous post took. I wrote it while being right in front of Madonna about 8:30 pm.

You say there is no minimum drinks, however there was a sign right at the entrance saying "drink minimum and basic manners required to enter" on the left side. The right side of the sign was in Korean, I guess saying the same thing. I approached the doorman and the first thing he said was about the drink buying and that it was not allowed to just go in and look.

So I asked what the barfine was and he said "6 to 12". I said 6 to 12 depending on what? He said depending on the girl. I walked off.

I went back down there at 11:26 pm to take a picture of the sign, but the place was already locked up tight looking like it was under construction or something.

[Sir Lancelot]

Best advice is do not beleive a word that comes out of a bar girls mouth.The irony.

[QuackUp]

Flew into Clark airport for two nights in Angeles city, then flew to Boracay for two nights and then finished it off in Cebu the last on January 19th two nights. There was no waiting at immigration so made it nice and easy to go through immigration and customs. Took a grab from there to the Wild Orchid resort. The cost was 377 pesos.

Not to busy on Walking Street but at least for this trip, talent was way up. Since I only had two nights I didn't go to a lot of bars but here is a recap of the bars I visited. This is all by memory so if you see a price that might be different than what I recalled, please update for me.

La Maquida or however it is spelled. The bar nest door actually across the street from Kokomos. Since my friend paid for the drinks I'm not sure what the cost was. Anyways, we sit at the stage and most of the girls are facing the other way. All the girls were in bikinis with a few with some fine asses. Looks good so far and then they turned around to dance for us facing us. What a letdown. Whatever wood we had were quickly deflated. We hung around until the next group came on. This next group were in lingerie and mostly older so we left.

Went to Queens where our drinks were P150, girls drinks P300, and the barfine P4000. Mostly older and overweight so had a drink and left.

Loiipops. Good news the girls are still in bikinis. Bad news, while we were there most were older and not to sexy. I know timing is everything in our hobby but our timing was way off here. Girls drinks here were P300 and the barfine P5000. This was quoted from the mamasan.

Bad boys. This was a weird club. Our drinks P150, girl drinks, P350 and barfine for s / t P3600 or for l / t P4600 depending on the girl. Only about six girls there but here's the weird part. We got there around 16:10 and at 16:25 they told us we had to leave because the next group were under different mgmt. We told them we paid for the drinks why can't we finish. Of course we left and vowed to never return.

Lucifers. This club was kind of weird also. We went in and only three girls on stage. No way we were going to stay so on the way out, I asked who I assume was a mamasan when is the best time to get the girls here. She said 10:30 in the morning. I said no, I mean will there be more girls later that night? She said no more girls, the best girls were taken. She then said many Koreans get there in the morning and barfine the girls. I guess that makes sense but after most of the girls are barfine, why stay open? Didn't get prices here.

Quality. This place was rocking. Many many girls here. The setup is messed up but the talent was very good. Our drinks P150. Girls drinks P300. Barfine P5000. I did barfine a girl from here and had a great time.

Saved the best for last. Sensations. The girls here were very good with at least three that I would consider very hot and young. Our drinks P150. Girls drinks were P400 which was the highest we encountered. Barfine was P5000 and yes I did barfine one of the hotties. Not sure if this was an anomaly or the good talent is slowly coming back. I hope it's the latter.

[NapaSlapper]

Bar hops and Whats the latest angeles news.

I think its fair to say that the town and especially the bars are very quiet indeed, so quiet that of the few remaining western bar owner friends they are loudly complaining of very low punter numbers and even more so low girl numbers and what girls are available is just not worth employing.

As we all know dragon bar on walking st had lots of money spent recently but has been for sale for some time (no takers) the owner told me he's just had enough because angeles is so quiet and its not worth throwing good money after bad.

Skin club, everyone was talking of this new club being opened, owner promised top girls, model dancers, shows, girls in cages, lap dancers etc, owners spent very large investment in updating premises, new sound systems, seating, stages, lighting, it lasted all of two months open, had to close its doors due to no customers and not able to employ enough girls to work in the bar, yes a massive loss taken for the investors.

Prices in angeles increase weekly, some bars now are charging 200+peso for a local beer,400 peso for a lady drink (mostly small juice) below average older chubbies now think they are worth 6,000 peso one pop, 5 or six years ago these same girls were happy with 3,000 peso for 2 or 3 pops, you would think as they age, get uglier and fatter their price would reduce instead of double, welcome to the new angeles city.

Had two separate bar hops this last week, one with western friends and one with asian friends, western friends refuse to go to the korean bars as they get ignored by the girls and asian friends hate the western bars because of no lookers.

Western bars, Lollipop bar, la bamba bar, geckos bar, masquarade bar, all very quiet, some bars our group were the only punters in, I tend to spend very little on nights in western bars because I just don't see any girls I want to buy drinks or party with.

On to korean oriented bars, our resident troll claims QBar does not have asian customers and has western customers instead, I can only say what I see, QBar although fairly quiet I was the only westerner in and have been so on multiple visits.

Xs bar and avalon bar, these two bars have the best shows and a few cuties in each bar, unfortunately what is cute here also only drinks and fucks with asians, some girls are just show girls or drinks only girls, always have a good night here because the shows make it.

Gold moon bar, monsoon bar, vikings bar, fairly quiet most nights, definately these bars are finding it hard to hire girls in numbers and what is working here is mostly below average at best.

On to madonna bar, although this bar has not been open too long its become a firm must visit bar on a night out, my korean friends tend to love it here, they feel comfortable, the girls are friendly and although many girls are drinks only a good few girls have been bar fined by korean friends here (all girls 6,000 peso, never paid more regardless of looks or dress colour) girls make it clear from the start right in the bar its a one pop bar fine which is fine by the koreans, some reports coming out that the girls tend to do the basics only (no open mouth kissing, pussy sucking or blow jobs, girls that require condoms) I'm sure that's not all the girls but reports of such are plentiful from friends that have bar fined girls here.

In summing up I have to be honest, its dead here in angeles, one has to visit multiple bars to find even one looker, even then most girls that have the looks are mainly show girls only, drinks only, asian only or cherry girls (virgins) as a westerner its not at all easy to get laid except by the lesser girls that are not popular with the asians.

[Keen Eye Joe 1]

I visited an old buddy of mine in AC about two weeks ago. Here are some of my observations as a first-time visitor for a short two-night stay with only a small number of bar stops.

Getting there from the Manila airport can't get much easier. Landed, then proceeded to Terminal 3 where I boarded the non-stop Genesis Bus at Bay 13. Comfortable seats and plenty of air conditioning for P430.

On the return to Quezon City, I rode a Five Star bus to their Cubao terminal. Company name is Five Star, but I give it three stars for the service. Clean and comfy with only one stop for P290.

Arrived at 5 pm and checked into the Dalian Peak Hotel. Pretty darned nice lodging with a limited free breakfast for $38 USA / night. Not a swanky place but it's modern, clean, comfortable, and walkable to most night-time attractions.

My friend and I went barhopping one afternoon in the Perimeter Road area. Started at Night Moves and hit three more clubs along the way. P75 beers were a bargain and I gladly paid P250 for "ladies' drinks" so I could chat with a few gals. All the girls spoke above-average English so communication was not a problem. Had a lot of fun, and I can see why so many older Western retirees like myself hang out there in the afternoon.

To commentors here who complain about the poor quality of bar women, I counter that the issue is your standards are just different than mine. We can agree to disagree on looks.

I tend to favor women who have the package that most East Asian men find unappealing. Short, dark skin, long black hair, thin bodies with slightly flared hips and tiny yet rounded butts, cute and friendly faces with big smiles, and flat noses and bellies. Breasts are optional. And no tattoos. Each bar had at least a couple shorties strutting around in 5-inch heels that got my motor revved up.

But I was saving my carnal energy for a bar on A. Santos Street that fellow-poster PhilJoy visited last year, called the Roelgeorge Bar. No dancers and no air conditioning, it's just a simple bar with hostesses who will gladly sit with you for ladies' drinks.

What it lacks in glamor it makes up for with nostalgia. It's like the place was frozen in the 1980's. Plenty of historical paraphernalia on the walls and an unplugged dust-covered juke box sitting at the entrance. Even a wall calendar from 1999. Doesn't appear like any maintenance has been performed in decades, but I appreciated the museum-feel to the place.

Visited the bar twice in the evenings. No other customers and, unfortunately, there were only two table girls each time. One was a 48-year-old gal from Bacolod (name escapes me) with a petite body and attractive face paired with a big gut that inevitably comes from 30 years of drinking in bars. The other was a younger pregnant gal, who may be a fantasy for some guys, but not for me. I found out later the preggo only gives BJs.

Customer beers are P75 and the girls drink bottles of San Miguel for P200. Had a lot of fun gabbing with the Bacolod gal and she was not shy about letting her hands wander around my erogenous zones. Eventually she asked if I wanted to "interact" with her. Initially I was not interested, but I was intrigued when she mentioned the bar has a free onsite bedroom for sex use and her fee for a BJ and intercourse was a mere P1,200. Looks-wise she really was not my fantasy gal, but she was fun, flirty, and seemed to be very attracted to this old guy.

Spent about 2 hours there my last night. Bill was P2,000 for three customer and three ladies' drinks, a tip for the cashier / bartender, and about 30 minutes of pretty darned spirited DFK, BBBJ, and intercourse (brought my own as I'm a 100% condom guy). We must have spent 10 minutes kissing and another 10 engaged in foreplay. Her "box" was very wet yet still somewhat tight. I was not disappointed.

Yeah, I probably should have blown my financial and ejaculation wads at a higher-class joint. But I was very comfy at the Roelgeorge. Unpretentious and simple surroundings with no bullshit upsells or service disappointments.

On the walk back to Walking Street, I passed two sets of sex purveyors who tried getting my attention, each consisting of a ladyboy "manager" and a rather cute streetwalker. Did not investigate further as I was depleted and dehydrated. Another young gal passed me and said, "Blow job, 500". When I declined, she responded with "350". For you doubters, I have very sensitive "Gaydar" and I'm 100% convinced it was a real female!

Not a lot of options on Santos Street compared to its heyday, but if you're a cheap guy with lower standards like me, chances are good you'll find something you can live with.

I don't know why I tend to economize in the sex department, as lack of funds isn't an issue for me. Oh well, just more money to leave to the kids after I meet my maker.

I'm not planning on returning to AC, but if I do, I'll definitely spend more time at the Perimeter Road clubs. Some of those little LBFMs are tasty morsels.

[Expat American]

Flew into Clark airport for two nights in Angeles city, then flew to Boracay for two nights and then finished it off in Cebu the last on January 19th two nights. There was no waiting at immigration so made it nice and easy to go through immigration and customs. Took a grab from there to the Wild Orchid resort. The cost was 377 pesos.

Not to busy on Walking Street but at least for this trip, talent was way up. Since I only had two nights I didn't go to a lot of bars but here is a recap of the bars I visited. This is all by memory so if you see a price that might be different than what I recalled, please update for me.

La Maquida or however it is spelled. The bar nest door actually across the street from Kokomos. Since my friend paid for the drinks I'm not sure what the cost was. Anyways, we sit at the stage and most of the girls are facing the other way. All the girls were in bikinis with a few with some fine asses. Looks good so far and then they turned around to dance for us facing us. What a letdown. Whatever wood we had were quickly deflated. We hung around until the next group came on. This next group were in lingerie and mostly older so we left.

Went to Queens where our drinks were P150, girls drinks P300, and the barfine P4000. Mostly older and overweight so had a drink and left.

Loiipops. Good news the girls are still in bikinis. Bad news, while we were there most were older and not to sexy. I know timing is everything in our hobby but our timing was way off here. Girls drinks here were P300 and the barfine P5000. This was quoted from the mamasan.

Bad boys. This was a weird club. Our drinks P150, girl drinks, P350 and barfine for s / t P3600 or for l / t P4600 depending on the girl. Only about six girls there but here's the weird part. We got there around 16:10 and at 16:25 they told us we had to leave because the next group were under different mgmt. We told them we paid for the drinks why can't we finish. Of course we left and vowed to never return.

Lucifers. This club was kind of weird also. We went in and only three girls on stage. No way we were going to stay so on the way out, I asked who I assume was a mamasan when is the best time to get the girls here. She said 10:30 in the morning. I said no, I mean will there be more girls later that night? She said no more girls, the best girls were taken. She then said many Koreans get there in the morning and barfine the girls. I guess that makes sense but after most of the girls are barfine, why stay open? Didn't get prices here.

Quality. This place was rocking. Many many girls here. The setup is messed up but the talent was very good. Our drinks P150. Girls drinks P300. Barfine P5000. I did barfine a girl from here and had a great time.

Saved the best for last. Sensations. The girls here were very good with at least three that I would consider very hot and young. Our drinks P150. Girls drinks were P400 which was the highest we encountered. Barfine was P5000 and yes I did barfine one of the hotties. Not sure if this was an anomaly or the good talent is slowly coming back. I hope it's the latter.You are such a "glass half full" guy. You went to 7 bars, found 3 so called "hotties" in one and based on that you are saying that good talent is coming back?! Glad you had a good time buddy but this is not a ringing endorsement of AC by any means. LOL. All I read was 4000 and 5000 P bar fines for fat, ugly, old or all of the above girls. Different prices for ST / LT (used to be all LT by default), girls taken out by 10.30 AM by Koreans and a bar that kicked you out in 20 min after you bought drinks.

How was the session with your barfined hottie? Did she stay all night? BBFS? What made the trip worthwhile for you?

[NapaSlapper]

Sorry if this is a duplicate, but being that I am moderated, I do not know if the previous post took. I wrote it while being right in front of Madonna about 8:30 pm.

You say there is no minimum drinks, however there was a sign right at the entrance saying "drink minimum and basic manners required to enter" on the left side. The right side of the sign was in Korean, I guess saying the same thing. I approached the doorman and the first thing he said was about the drink buying and that it was not allowed to just go in and look.


So I asked what the barfine was and he said "6 to 12". I said 6 to 12 depending on what? He said depending on the girl. I walked off.

I went back down there at 11:26 pm to take a picture of the sign, but the place was already locked up tight looking like it was under construction or something.Definately no sign outside madonna that says minimum drink that I have noticed, as your posted photos clearly shows the same.

Madonna is a korean owned and run bar it caters to mainly koreans only, they try to keep it high class, white guys, black guys or any other westerner is not really wanted here except if looking smart, clean, dressed well and looking like one can afford to spend money on drinks, they definately don't want guys that want to enter oggle the girls ask lots of questions all without spending a cent, guys that don't fit their profile will be ushered away by security, manager or anyone standing outside with excuses to get one to leave.

It is what it is, I always go to madonna bar with korean high spending friends, we dress well are known to spend and are greeted with open arms (even me a westerner) 1st drinks always on the house, management super friendly and welcoming to those that fit their business model, its their bar so their rules, sorry you got rejected.

[PhilJoy]

But I was saving my carnal energy for a bar on A. Santos Street that fellow-poster PhilJoy visited last year, called the Roelgeorge Bar.

What it lacks in glamor it makes up for with nostalgia. It's like the place was frozen in the 1980's. Plenty of historical paraphernalia on the walls and an unplugged dust-covered juke box sitting at the entrance. Even a wall calendar from 1999. Doesn't appear like any maintenance has been performed in decades, but I appreciated the museum-feel to the place.

Customer beers are P75 and the girls drink bottles of San Miguel for P200. Had a lot of fun gabbing with the Bacolod gal and she was not shy about letting her hands wander around my erogenous zones. Eventually she asked if I wanted to "interact" with her. Initially I was not interested, but I was intrigued when she mentioned the bar has a free onsite bedroom for sex use and her fee for a BJ and intercourse was a mere P1,200. Looks-wise she really was not my fantasy gal, but she was fun, flirty, and seemed to be very attracted to this old guy.

Yeah, I probably should have blown my financial and ejaculation wads at a higher-class joint. But I was very comfy at the Roelgeorge. Unpretentious and simple surroundings with no bullshit upsells or service disappointments.Hi Joe,

Glad you paid a visit. Yes it's not for everyone.

My original posts were related to finding the old bars on A. Santos, who during the military occupation, made the strip known as 'Blow Row'.

Roelgeorge is about the last one standing.

A great place if you want to step back in time, have a beer in an old fashioned bar, and slip out the back for a BJ. Or more. And then go back to the bar and have a beer.

Before doing it all over over again.

Sure, the girls have always been older of not too flashy in the looks department, but if all you want is a beer and a quality BJ, then stop by.

_ Phil.

[Mr Enternational]

Definately no sign outside madonna that says minimum drink that I have noticed, as your posted photos clearly shows the same.My photos do not show the same because the first photo I took from the side trying not to let the door guy see me taking photos. The second photo was when I went back and they were closed. It is a moveable sign like every other one up and down the sidewalk. When I went back to Walking Street tonight at 10, the place was closed again. Tomorrow I will come earlier just to take a picture of the sign to get you to say you were wrong. I do not give 2 shits about the place. I was just going to see whose story was right since everyone always talks about what a liar you are. You can not walk into the place without seeing the sign, because it was dead center of the path to the door. So you either have to walk to the left or right of the sign.

[Mr Enternational]

What is with the water here? My body became really itchy all over after taking the first shower here. I bring my own soap and the water is not as hot as I usually like it, so I know it is not that.

[Mr Enternational]

But I was saving my carnal energy for a bar on A. Santos Street that fellow-poster PhilJoy visited last year, called the Roelgeorge Bar. No dancers and no air conditioning, it's just a simple bar with hostesses who will gladly sit with you for ladies' drinks.

What it lacks in glamor it makes up for with nostalgia. It's like the place was frozen in the 1980's. Plenty of historical paraphernalia on the walls and an unplugged dust-covered juke box sitting at the entrance. Even a wall calendar from 1999. Doesn't appear like any maintenance has been performed in decades, but I appreciated the museum-feel to the place.

Visited the bar twice in the evenings. No other customers and, unfortunately, there were only two table girls each time. One was a 48-year-old gal from Bacolod (name escapes me) with a petite body and attractive face paired with a big gut that inevitably comes from 30 years of drinking in bars. The other was a younger pregnant gal, who may be a fantasy for some guys, but not for me. I found out later the preggo only gives BJs.Unfortunately the pregnant chick (Mary Cris) stopped working 3 days ago. The ultrasound says it is a boy. I told them that many ultrasounds will say that, but turn out to be bakla instead. They said she is 1 month from having the baby. I told them to tell her to come back in tomorrow so I could put this dick up in her and I guarantee the baby will come within 3 days of that.

I am not a drink / bar guy. I have no problem walking in to any of these places and immediately asking about fucking without all the pleasantries.

There is a man who lives there with his wife and toddler as well. I think it is the guy in the little store at the entrance. The kid kept crying and the wife came out doing something on the side of the bar.

P.S. There is air conditioning in the fuck room.

[CarlosDanger]

Here's my report which will focus more on less reported / less mentioned bars. 1st section will be about Perimeter bars, 2nd will cover BJ bars, 3rd Walking street, 4th freelancers and will finish the report with my overall Angeles impression. Please note that the quality of these bars change frequently, so this is my impression on how things are in the last week of January 2025.

1- Perimeter road bars: While there are no stunners here but I think some of the girls here worth the affordable 2. 5 k barfine. Overall the girls I barfined from Perimeter provided better service and had better attitude than the ones I barfined from walking street.

Bar name: Moonlight.

BF: 2500.

My impression: The bar had the best quality of girls in Perimeter during my visits. I barfined 4 times here, each one was a good experience.

Bar name: Greyfox.

BF: 2500 / there's also BJ room for 1800.

My impression: Quality was below the other bars, the girls are compensating by being very touchy but the quality was below what's acceptable, bar is often empty too.

Bar name: Candy Bar.

BF: 2500.

My impression: Girls are just the typical Perimeter looks, not below nor above.

Bar name: Black Stain.

BF: Depends on the girl (though higher than average Perimeter prices).

My impression: This bar is interesting, it had the best dance / entertainment quality in Perimeter, it was full of customers in the times I visited. There were 2 stunners there who's quality is even better than most women in walking street with their prices being 4500ST and 6 k LT. Another girl who's alright looking there said her price is 4 k. So yeah it's pricier than neighboring bars but good entertainment and fun vibe.

Bar name: Club Emotions.

BF: 3500.

My impression: Quality was similar to the rest of the cheaper bars.

Bar name: Night Moves.

BF: 3000.

My impression: Nothing really special, just average.

Bar name: No way bar.

BF: 3000.

My impression: Quality is average, the bar had a good vibe though and girls were touchy when buying LD.

2- BJ bars: These bars has lowest quality and most of their women you wouldn't want to touch for free, but it seems that each one of them keeps 1-2 girls who's "barely acceptable". The girls tend to try and compensate by giving better service, the vibe is chill but overall not worth it. It also seems that the prices of these bars has increased compared to previous reports on this forum. Making them almost same price as the regular Perimeter bars but with lower quality.

Bar name: Nifty.

Price: 1800 BJ / 2200 boom boom.

My impression: There's only one acceptable looking girl here, nothing really special about her it's just that she's in her mid 20's. Provided good service too.

Bar name: Rio.

Price: 1800 p BJ / 2200 boom boom.

My impression: None of the girls looks acceptable, but I enjoyed killing time and talking to the girls here, vibe is chill.

Bar name: CNBC cafe.

Price: 2500.

My impression: Same owners as Rio and Nifty but with higher price, which defeats the purpose.

Bar name: Roelgeorge.

Price: 1000.

My impression: I took a peak twice and the women working there are literal grannies.

Bar name: I don't know the name of that bar as I found it through a Youtuber, but it's located beside "Sip and score" in Raymond street.

Price: 1500.

My impression: Girls were the usual below average looks, but when I asked about how much is the room / barfine they immidiately started searching for "Jennifer", it's like they knew she's the bar's only hope of anything beyond drinks, when she came I was surprised to see her in such bar, she's a skinny woman in her early to mid 20's wearing a sexy croptop. Definitely a gem. However when I started talking to her she had a depressed look on her face like she's regretting every decision she ever made in her life. Based on my experience that's an indication of bad service and since I came twice in that day already I thought that I might struggle to finish with a bad service, I revisited the club again in what was supposed to be my 1st cum of the day but unfortunately she was not there.

3- Walking street: I'm not going to cover this too much because you guys cover it on daily basis, but to sum up my experience so Club XS was the one with best quality, quantity and shows as well. Barfine was 5-6 k. While when it comes to the western bars so Dollhouse was the one I enjoyed most, barfine was 5 k. Overall I didn't enjoy walking street bars, I expect better service / quality when paying such prices in Philippines.

I witnessed something in Club XS which made me realize that I will never understand Korean culture, a Korean man who looks around late 30's entered the bar, without even sitting he started handing some of the girls 1 k bills. Then he gave the waitresses serveral thousands which she exchanged for him to smaller bills, he made it rain, then the girls stood in line begging from him as he gave 200 to each girl, then he left.

I guess to him it's some form of ego boost, but I can't be sure as I will never understand how is this fun or enjoyable.

Freelancers: I had better luck with the freelancers that I met on Tinder & sex ads in some websites than the street freelancers, the quality was better. I paid 1500ST, while the ones that were better looking I paid 2 k ST.

Overall I had fun, some of you guys always compare Angeles to the old days, I didn't witnessed those days thus I can't relate to that. I can definitely see that Angeles is below Pataya and Bangkok, but for what's available in the Philippines I think Angeles is still fun for few days trip. However I don't think I will be back as I like mixing my trip between dating and p4 p at the same time. And Angeles is obviously not a dating spot.

Thank you for all the helpful reports which helped me in planning the trip. Happy mongering everybody.

[Mr Enternational]

My original posts were related to finding the old bars on A. Santos, who during the military occupation, made the strip known as 'Blow Row'.

Roelgeorge is about the last one standing.

A great place if you want to step back in time, have a beer in an old fashioned bar, and slip out the back for a BJ. Or more. And then go back to the bar and have a beer.Actually, it is one of the last two. There is also Party One Bar on the corner across from what used to be Swiss Chalet. There was one hideous chick there last night and she told me 2000. I just laughed and walked away.

[ShaggerAu]

My original posts were related to finding the old bars on A. Santos, who during the military occupation, made the strip known as 'Blow Row'.

Roelgeorge is about the last one standing.

l.Are the streets around Johnny St still pretty dangerous after dark?

The Roman Massage place one street over always seemed to be popular with locals.

That area around there is not really for regular tourists.

Most people don't venture too far off McArthur.

[Mr Enternational]

Definately no sign outside madonna that says minimum drink that I have noticed, as your posted photos clearly shows the same.

Madonna is a korean owned and run bar it caters to mainly koreans only, they try to keep it high class, white guys, black guys or any other westerner is not really wanted here except if looking smart, clean, dressed well and looking like one can afford to spend money on drinks, they definately don't want guys that want to enter oggle the girls ask lots of questions all without spending a cent, guys that don't fit their profile will be ushered away by security, manager or anyone standing outside with excuses to get one to leave.

It is what it is, I always go to madonna bar with korean high spending friends, we dress well are known to spend and are greeted with open arms (even me a westerner) 1st drinks always on the house, management super friendly and welcoming to those that fit their business model, its their bar so their rules, sorry you got rejected.Let's see if the poster that I quoted admits that he was wrong. Or maybe he will claim that the picture that I posted of the sign does not show up on his device. (No idea why he figures people would lie about this.)

I went down to Madonna about 5 pm. I took a picture of the sign and told the door guy that someone keeps saying it is not required to buy drinks. Then I asked him how many drinks have to be bought. He said only one because they simply just do not want people coming in to only look. And guess what the Koreans that were there did: bought 1 drink!

I told the door guy that I would return after checking something out. I came back and went in. They ushered me to a seat in the middle in front of the stage. The waitress came over and asked what I wanted to drink. I asked for a menu which she brought back. Soft drinks 250, alcohol 350. I ordered Captain Morgan on ice. She kept trying to take the menu from me, but I wanted to keep it to take a picture. They brought me some free popcorn with my drink.

The girls were just standing on stage with party dresses on while the music played. Later there were 2 shows. The first a girl with a Squid Game track suit came up and lip synced. After she got off stage, I saw the boss go over and hand her 1000 pesos.

Next a chick came up and did a Michael Jackson routine. During both shows the hookers just stood in place in the background. After the second show I had my head down writing notes and when I picked it back up the 3 or 4 Korean guys that were inside had all paid their tabs and left. I was the only customer left. I said well hell, the girls can sit down and take a break now, which they actually did. When more people started coming in the MC did a countdown. He said it would start in 5 minutes, then 3 minutes, then 1 minute. The girls went back to stand on the stage.

The manager Mylene came over and talked to me when my drink first came. I asked plenty of questions so this is not hearsay nor guessing. She said they always close at 9. I told her that it says midnight on google. Then she said well it varies.

There were 9 girls on the stage. There were 3 wearing white dresses that go for 10,000. There was 1 wearing a red dress that goes for 8,000. There were 5 wearing black dresses that go for 6,000. She said there are also chicks with gold dresses that go for 12,000, but they had already been barfined. I asked how many gold dress chicks there are. She said 7 out of a total of 40.

I also asked what the tags meant since they had letters and numbers. She said there are 3 mamasans and the 3 different letters correspond to which the particular girl belongs to.

There were a bunch of girls sitting on the very back row after the aisle in street clothes. She said all those have been barfined already and are waiting for the guys to pick them up. I asked why they would not take the girls with them before leaving. She said they probably have shit to do, so they come back later for them.

The MC guy was cool. I thought his ass was Korean. He had a Korean look with the haircut and coloring, and had the accent down. I flagged him over and told him to let me say something on the mic. That is when I found out he is Pinoy. He said it is not allowed and motioned toward the boss saying he would get angry. I said I understand that. Then I paid my tab before going to the comfort room and walked out after.

[Old And Ugly]

Are the streets around Johnny St still pretty dangerous after dark?

The Roman Massage place one street over always seemed to be popular with locals.

That area around there is not really for regular tourists.

Most people don't venture too far off McArthur.I ventured all over the place, never had a problem. Just tuck in your shiny gold neckless and put the diamond rings in your pocket, and you'll be fine.

[Old And Ugly]

What is with the water here? My body became really itchy all over after taking the first shower here. I bring my own soap and the water is not as hot as I usually like it, so I know it is not that.About 2 months ago on my second day in AC I got the same problem, plus I got covered by red spots allover my body for a few days, I don't know from what, the water, the bed sheets, or something I ate, I took Prednisone, and it disappeared.

[PhilJoy]

Are the streets around Johnny St still pretty dangerous after dark?Hi Shagger,

Basically what Ugly said.

I've never had a problem on my few visits to AC.

The majority of the time I ventured down that way was to get an afternoon BJ and a beer in Roelgeorges.

I did go down to the 7-11 further down from there late at night after landing in AC to grab some beers to stash in the hotel fridge.

On the way back, a SW fronted me across from Johnny St and she was pretty hot.

The result was a 2 hour session for 3000 p and when she left my room, there was no beer left.

The only issue I had _ Phil.

[ShaggerAu]

Hi Shagger,

On the way back, a SW fronted me across from Johnny St and she was pretty hot.Thanks for the updates gents. I think since they shut down that old hotel that was on the corner the area may have improved and most likely the previous expired "use by date" girls have moved further towards the river.

Nifty's was another BJ place towards Perimeter bars area. I think it was shut last time I went past. That place also had the upstairs room for BJs. It was possibly the most squalid place I've ever had a BJ. After the 2nd time I never went back.

The thing with these BJ specialists is that they are fucking good at BJ.

[Dg8787]

What is with the water here? My body became really itchy all over after taking the first shower here. I bring my own soap and the water is not as hot as I usually like it, so I know it is not that.Depends on the hotel you are staying at. Most hotels for westerners have a 3 stage water filtration system. Some have a 4 stage system. You can tell as a clue by how sparkling clean their swimming pool is as an indicator.

Some hotels will have a sign that the water is not potable and not for drinking.

[Dg8787]

Confirmed by a few others and myself. A sign that you can't miss with the doorman standing right behind it. Sign clearly states one drink minimum to enter. Doorman confirms 6000 to 12,000 barfines. Madonna closes early by 7:00 when the girls are all barfined.

Mr. E is a worldly monger that knows what he is saying. Never doubt his reports.

[Pussycat123]

So we have the mayor of AC declaring he wants to end barfines and get rid of walking St. (he stated this publicly two years ago). And his Red Street plan is moving ahead rapidly. But on the other hand we have new Go Go bars sprouting like mushrooms. Just this month Brown Sugar reopened, we have new bars Ocean and Oh Nana on Real St, and Meikos plans to open a day shift. Plus, we now have URBN disco club just opened on Walking St, trying to be the new HiSo.

So place your bets, fellas.

[Goferring]

So we have the mayor of AC declaring he wants to end barfines and get rid of walking St. (he stated this publicly two years ago). And his Red Street plan is moving ahead rapidly. But on the other hand we have new Go Go bars sprouting like mushrooms. Just this month Brown Sugar reopened, we have new bars Ocean and Oh Nana on Real St, and Meikos plans to open a day shift. Plus, we now have URBN disco club just opened on Walking St, trying to be the new HiSo.

So place your bets, fellas.The internet, expansion of low / mid class jobs and discount airline LDRs have acted much faster than the numerous previous mayors etc with the same plans.

It will be interesting if AI decimating BPO jobs will stem the flow. Who knows?

G.

[NapaSlapper]

Let's see if the poster that I quoted admits that he was wrong. Or maybe he will claim that the picture that I posted of the sign does not show up on his device. (No idea why he figures people would lie about this.)

I went down to Madonna about 5 pm. I took a picture of the sign and told the door guy that someone keeps saying it is not required to buy drinks. Then I asked him how many drinks have to be bought. He said only one because they simply just do not want people coming in to only look. And guess what the Koreans that were there did: bought 1 drink!

I told the door guy that I would return after checking something out. I came back and went in. They ushered me to a seat in the middle in front of the stage. The waitress came over and asked what I wanted to drink. I asked for a menu which she brought back. Soft drinks 250, alcohol 350. I ordered Captain Morgan on ice. She kept trying to take the menu from me, but I wanted to keep it to take a picture. They brought me some free popcorn with my drink.

The girls were just standing on stage with party dresses on while the music played. Later there were 2 shows. The first a girl with a Squid Game track suit came up and lip synced. After she got off stage, I saw the boss go over and hand her 1000 pesos..Mr E, your photos of Madonna bar is in fact now correct, a minimal of 1 drink to sit and watch the girls has been introduced to Madonna bar in the last couple of days, according to the owners of Madonna bar it is only enforced to westerners or to those that face does not fit and absolutely not to Koreans or to regulars who are known to spend.

As far as Madonna closing at 9 pm I have never heard of this or seen it, have been in Madonna bar well after midnight on most occasions, girls here are never all sold out as there are so many drinks only girls that do not barfine with anyone.

As far as the drinks menus in Madonna bar never seen your posted type menu before, the one we have always been given is much lower prices, maybe there is the normal menu for Koreans and regulars and a drinks menu for the non Koreans and westerners that are not wanted unless they can be made to pay crazy prices for their drinks, who knows.

As far as girls, then like any other bar in Angeles if the bar sees a newbie a simpleton or a guy who has had one too many beers then crazy prices might be asked for girls time, as stated earlier have been going to Madonna bar from day one, most recently as a group we bar fined 8 Madonna girls of all dress colours and took them out clubbing, each girl quoted 6,000 peso from the start, there was no variation, all standard girl price paid was 6,000 peso, has been so from day one.

Again sorry that your experience at this bar was not the same as mine and many bar hop friend experience, thanks.

[Mr Enternational]

As far as Madonna closing at 9 pm I have never heard of this or seen it, LOL. Oh now you say the sign just popped up and there is a minimum out of nowhere.

Well I also happened to run into the manager of Madonna at another bar the other night. Maybe it was Carousel. It was one of the bars on the same side with a silver podium outside, because she was sitting behind that. She told me that she goes there every night after they close at Madonna. It was no later than 9 pm. This was right after me and Dg tried going to Madonna at 7 pm and her and the security guy were locking the door and leaving. Maybe your Angeles City is in an alternate universe.

[WestCoast1]

Let's see if the poster that I quoted admits that he was wrong. Or maybe he will claim that the picture that I posted of the sign does not show up on his device. (No idea why he figures people would lie about this.)

I went down to Madonna about 5 pm. I took a picture of the sign and told the door guy that someone keeps saying it is not required to buy drinks. Then I asked him how many drinks have to be bought. He said only one because they simply just do not want people coming in to only look. And guess what the Koreans that were there did: bought 1 drink!Good report.

Way back in 2023, I posted a similar report. Not sure if it was called Madonna at the time. The bar was on the north side of WS (same side as XS). They opened early, I think around noon or 1 pm, and closed around 8 pm. There was a bouncer out front, and a similar sign. I am fairly sure that I posted a picture of that sign. The sign was similar to the one in ME's pic, stating a 1-drink entrance fee. I stopped by about 6 pm. The bouncer guy gave me roughly the same info about not wanting fellas entering to just peek at the ladies. I asked why they closed so early and he said that the bar was operated by another management, with a separate set of girls and a different bar name. I walked by later in the evening, and sure enough the sign was gone, and a couple of door girls were barking customers to come inside. It was operating as 2 distinct gogo bars, a K place in the daytime and possibly a non-K place in the evening.

Its like dj vu, all over again.

[Mr Enternational]

As far as the drinks menus in Madonna bar never seen your posted type menu before, the one we have always been given is much lower prices, maybe there is the normal menu for Koreans and regulars and a drinks menu for the non Koreans and westerners that are not wanted unless they can be made to pay crazy prices for their drinks, who knows.Man you have all kinds of excuses. The other side of that same menu was in Korean with the same numbers. So maybe there are some unwanted Koreans the same as there are some unwanted Westerners. Or just maybe they wanted to outsmart the thinking Westerner and put a duplicate Korean menu with higher prices on the reverse side. But that is not the actual "real" menu that they give to folks they actually want in the bar. Jesus dude.

All this shit I have read on here all these years about the separation of Korean and non-Korean is total bullhit. Every single bar with Korean doormen that I went next to, they tried to get me to come into the bar. I am just a normal Black American dude wearing shorts and flip-flops. No 3 piece suit and no 1000 peso bills hanging out of my pockets. At every single place I immediately asked how much is the bar fine and how long the chick stays. For some reason you guys make picking pussy out of a barrel into brain surgery.

The Korean guys have no advantage over anyone and I actually like their method of operating better than the Western one. They simply operate under early bid catches the worm. So when I was out at 10 am I saw how Walking Street was crowded with Korean guys. The bars were full of chicks lined up with street clothes on. The Koreans went in to pick their chicks and were done. No need for music, drinking, or dancing. I saw many walking back to their hotel rooms with the chicks. They knew what they were there for.

They did not need to drink for hours on end or see the chicks in a bikini doing nothing on stage. They did not have to buy a ton of lady drinks and psych themselves that the girls were into them. It was pure point and click. Or maybe point and stick.

And that is the kind of guy I am. I do not mind going somewhere and getting right to the point. No need in calling myself establishing a false rapport in a room full of hookers. I want to fuck and they want money.

The best thing is that the Korean guys are getting their money's worth. In every place, I asked what the difference between short time and long time was. Short time was 3 hours. Long time was until the next day. So with Koreans, they are paying a chick 6000 from say 10 am until the next day, whereas a Westerner wants to go drink all night and have the clock starting on the girl at 3 am (only a few hours until morning) for the same 6,000 pesos.

There is a reason that experience is the best teacher. Reading shit on here will have you thinking the sky is falling. But when you get on the ground and gather your own intel at different times of day, you will see it is all bullshit. If you want the best chicks, you can go out at 10 am and rent them the same as the Koreans do. Or you can stay in all day from a hangover and not go out until it is time to create another hangover and complain that somebody took all the good ones.

[MoonShot]

Surprisingly, I am excited to be in Angeles City after 2 months in Pattaya. I haven't been here in 6 years so it is interesting to see how the city has changed. I see the wide sidewalks on Walking Street and that they have taken down the signs at the entrances. I do see a number of bars already open at 10:00 am Which is crazy early but I have read the reports about how the Koreans are taking girls early. I can see that Envy is no more and there is construction on that spot now. I will let you know what I think about the current state of Angeles City.

[RacShack]

Man you have all kinds of excuses. The other side of that same menu was in Korean with the same numbers. So maybe there are some unwanted Koreans the same as there are some unwanted Westerners. Or just maybe they wanted to outsmart the thinking Westerner and put a duplicate Korean menu with higher prices on the reverse side. But that is not the actual "real" menu that they give to folks they actually want in the bar. Jesus dude.

All this shit I have read on here all these years about the separation of Korean and non-Korean is total bullhit. Every single bar with Korean doormen that I went next to, they tried to get me to come into the bar. I am just a normal Black American dude wearing shorts and flip-flops. No 3 piece suit and no 1000 peso bills hanging out of my pockets. At every single place I immediately asked how much is the bar fine and how long the chick stays. For some reason you guys make picking pussy out of a barrel into brain surgery..Spot on MR E, someday everyone will figure out it's not rocket science needed to FK a street or bar hooker, it's as easy as you say it is period! So over all it's seems like you're enjoying yourself? I need to come check it out for my self soon, it's been a min since I've been back! Travel safe and have fun buddy!

[MoonShot]

Coming from Pattaya, the number of bars in Walking Street is so small and the number is smaller than 6 years ago. From Insomnia down there are about 40 Go-Go bars which is more than enough if you want to have a good time. But that's about a third of the bars on a single Street in Pattaya, Soi 6. Now I recognize there are some more bars on Perimeter Road but the number of bars in Angeles City is about 1% of the number of bars in Pattaya. Now I didn't separate Korean bars from Western bars, But instead of criticizing Koreans taking over the bars, you should say thank God the Koreans are here because without the Koreans, this place would be a ghost town. The higher prices of the Korean bars actually are attracting more young attractive women to Angeles City. I was here before the Koreans came here and Angeles City was starting to die out and at least now it's stabilizing.

[Halwa]

Hey Brethren,

I am planning to visit AC and Manila next week. Tried reading through the 50-60 pages, Want to know if there is any other option to pick up girls other than go-go bars. Would prefer free lancers or website. I am trying Pinalove but no luck there. Smooci has very little selection. If anyone of you can help some source for good hooker in AC, (8 /9 rated service), it would be great. I can return the favour in multiple cities of India.

[Sir Lancelot]

All this shit I have read on here all these years about the separation of Korean and non-Korean is total bullhit...... For some reason you guys make picking pussy out of a barrel into brain surgery.......Totally agree. The way 'Korean bars' are talked about on here, mainly by NapaSlapper whose sole objective in life seems to be to put people off visiting Angeles, you'd think they were like wild west saloons, where the bar goes quiet when outsiders walk in. It's laughable. I'm late forties and from the UK and a year ago the hottest girl I bar-fined was a black tape dancer from one of those Korean bars. Cute as can be (although disappointingly took the tape off). A few nights later I bar-fined another beautiful girl from another Korean bar. She told me she did modelling and I've got a video of her on my phone doing a catwalk in my hotel room with a book balanced on her head. Korean bars are just well run bars, open to all, with a higher hit-rate of pretty girls.

I'll be in Angeles in less than a week and I can't wait for the fun to commence.

[Dg8787]

Totally agree. The way 'Korean bars' are talked about on here, mainly by NapaSlapper whose sole objective in life seems to be to put people off visiting Angeles, you'd think they were like wild west saloons, where the bar goes quiet when outsiders walk in. It's laughable. I'm late forties and from the UK and a year ago the hottest girl I bar-fined was a black tape dancer from one of those Korean bars. Cute as can be (although disappointingly took the tape off). A few nights later I bar-fined another beautiful girl from another Korean bar. She told me she did modelling and I've got a video of her on my phone doing a catwalk in my hotel room with a book balanced on her head. Korean bars are just well run bars, open to all, with a higher hit-rate of pretty girls.

I'll be in Angeles in less than a week and I can't wait for the fun to commence.I have said it many times before. I have not seen any Koreans with hotter babes available to any of us. Korean girls might have more make up and in dresses but the bodies are not any better.

Ones bitching about Korean girls not available to them need to look in the mirror regarding their look, weight and hygiene. Some need pedicures so bad that they are disgusting.

Sir, have a wonderful time.

[Dg8787]

LOL. Oh now you say the sign just popped up and there is a minimum out of nowhere.

Well I also happened to run into the manager of Madonna at another bar the other night. Maybe it was Carousel. It was one of the bars on the same side with a silver podium outside, because she was sitting behind that. She told me that she goes there every night after they close at Madonna. It was no later than 9 pm. This was right after me and Dg tried going to Madonna at 7 pm and her and the security guy were locking the door and leaving. Maybe your Angeles City is in an alternate universe.Confirmed Mr. E and I was there at 7:00 pm at Madonna Bar as they were closing, locking up and leaving. "No girls available po. All barfined. ".

[Exoticspirit]

The best thing is that the Korean guys are getting their money's worth. In every place, I asked what the difference between short time and long time was. Short time was 3 hours. Long time was until the next day. So with Koreans, they are paying a chick 6000 from say 10 am until the next day, whereas a Westerner wants to go drink all night and have the clock starting on the girl at 3 am (only a few hours until morning) for the same 6,000 pesos.If a girl is pulled for long time from a Korean bar during the daytime and doesn't have to leave until the next day. Does this mean that she's available for as many shots as possible for that entire time period as long as I suppose the girl is treated to all the meals (dinner, lunch)?

[ShaggerAu]

Hey Brethren,

I am planning to visit AC and Manila next week. Tried reading through the 50-60 pages, Want to know if there is any other option to pick up girls other than go-go bars. Would prefer free lancers or website. I am trying Pinalove but no luck there. Smooci has very little selection. If anyone of you can help some source for good hooker in AC, (8 /9 rated service), it would be great. I can return the favour in multiple cities of India.How can you not have luck on Pinalove? Maybe you need to review your profile or your approach or your expectations.

Filipinas do not like being treated like prostitutes.

[Mr Enternational]

If a girl is pulled for long time from a Korean bar during the daytime and doesn't have to leave until the next day. Does this mean that she's available for as many shots as possible for that entire time period as long as I suppose the girl is treated to all the meals (dinner, lunch)?Of course. She is your girl for the time you paid. You can take her to the moon and back if you want to.

[Pussycat123]

Man you have all kinds of excuses. The other side of that same menu was in Korean with the same numbers. So maybe there are some unwanted Koreans the same as there are some unwanted Westerners. Or just maybe they wanted to outsmart the thinking Westerner and put a duplicate Korean menu with higher prices on the reverse side. But that is not the actual "real" menu that they give to folks they actually want in the bar. Jesus dude.

All this shit I have read on here all these years about the separation of Korean and non-Korean is total bullhit. Every single bar with Korean doormen that I went next to, they tried to get me to come into the bar. I am just a normal Black American dude wearing shorts and flip-flops. No 3 piece suit and no 1000 peso bills hanging out of my pockets. At every single place I immediately asked how much is the bar fine and how long the chick stays. For some reason you guys make picking pussy out of a barrel into brain surgery.

The Korean guys have no advantage over anyone and I actually like their method of operating better than the Western one. They simply operate under early bid catches the worm. So when I was out at 10 am I saw how Walking Street was crowded with Korean guys. The bars were full of chicks lined up with street clothes on. The Koreans went in to pick their chicks and were done. No need for music, drinking, or dancing. I saw many walking back to their hotel rooms with the chicks. They knew what they were there for.

They did not need to drink for hours on end or see the chicks in a bikini doing nothing on stage. They did not have to buy a ton of lady drinks and psych themselves that the girls were into them. It was pure point and click. Or maybe point and stick.

And that is the kind of guy I am. I do not mind going somewhere and getting right to the point. No need in calling myself establishing a false rapport in a room full of hookers. I want to fuck and they want money.

The best thing is that the Korean guys are getting their money's worth. In every place, I asked what the difference between short time and long time was. Short time was 3 hours. Long time was until the next day. So with Koreans, they are paying a chick 6000 from say 10 am until the next day, whereas a Westerner wants to go drink all night and have the clock starting on the girl at 3 am (only a few hours until morning) for the same 6,000 pesos.

There is a reason that experience is the best teacher. Reading shit on here will have you thinking the sky is falling. But when you get on the ground and gather your own intel at different times of day, you will see it is all bullshit. If you want the best chicks, you can go out at 10 am and rent them the same as the Koreans do. Or you can stay in all day from a hangover and not go out until it is time to create another hangover and complain that somebody took all the good ones.I agree, all this BS about Korean only girls, what a crock of shit. I'm white as rice and as long as I'm spending money they roll out the red carpet. In December in AC, I'm in XS with four girls and Koreans are looking at me like, who the fuck is this guy, how can he afford it? And I'm nobody, I'm just a fucking salesman with a modest salary.

And people talk as if Koreans are all loaded and Westeners are all broke. Hello, the USD is still king and the US is where the money is. The reason you don't see more Americans in AC is because they are all spending $$ in Vegas and Maui.

[Pussycat123]

I am just a normal Black American dude wearing shorts and flip-flops. .Don't know if you had a chance to check out Meikos Lounge on Real St. Its owned by two black Americans. Cool guys, and a great bar. Really nice decor and sofas.

[MoonShot]

The Korean bars welcome anyone with money to spend. Now ifu think the barfines are too high and you want to start haggling about it, you are not going to be welcomed. Just walk in, take a seat, order a beer and all is fine. Now if you get a girl that gives you an excuse as to why she doesn't want to be barfined, don't just assume that it is because you are not Korean. It may just be that she doesn't like you because there is something about your looks or personality that turns her off. It happens even in the Western bars.

[MoonShot]

Just telling you like it is. Wednesday 10:30 pm In Angeles City Walking Street. A lot of bars that I walked into had no customers and just a few girls sitting around. Most of the girls were 6/7's. Few of the bars that I had a drink in, the girls were just standing around and barely moving. So far not that impressive. Now I recognize that perhaps the stunners have been bar fined already. I do see some guys walking around with very attractive girls so they are here.

[MoonShot]

My last post probably was a bit too negative. There are more than enough girls to satisfy a guy on a mongering visit. While most of the girls are 6/7 in looks, you can still find girls who are much more attractive. If you go to enough bars, you will find someone who you like. It is not the case that it is just average looking girls in the bars. Angeles City also has the advantage most of the bars are right next to each other and it does not take much effort to get a girl to have sex with you. There is little fear that the girl from the bar will drug or rob you or set you up for some scam. The men here seem happy with their girls.

I will be here for a few weeks so if anyone is interested in checking out the bars, you can send me a message.

[Superion]

Man you have all kinds of excuses. The other side of that same menu was in Korean with the same numbers. So maybe there are some unwanted Koreans the same as there are some unwanted Westerners. Or just maybe they wanted to outsmart the thinking Westerner and put a duplicate Korean menu with higher prices on the reverse side. But that is not the actual "real" menu that they give to folks they actually want in the bar. Jesus dude.

All this shit I have read on here all these years about the separation of Korean and non-Korean is total bullhit. Every single bar with Korean doormen that I went next to, they tried to get me to come into the bar. I am just a normal Black American dude wearing shorts and flip-flops. No 3 piece suit and no 1000 peso bills hanging out of my pockets. At every single place I immediately asked how much is the bar fine and how long the chick stays. For some reason you guys make picking pussy out of a barrel into brain surgery.

The Korean guys have no advantage over anyone and I actually like their method of operating better than the Western one. They simply operate under early bid catches the worm. So when I was out at 10 am I saw how Walking Street was crowded with Korean guys. The bars were full of chicks lined up with street clothes on. The Koreans went in to pick their chicks and were done. No need for music, drinking, or dancing. I saw many walking back to their hotel rooms with the chicks. They knew what they were there for.

They did not need to drink for hours on end or see the chicks in a bikini doing nothing on stage. They did not have to buy a ton of lady drinks and psych themselves that the girls were into them. It was pure point and click. Or maybe point and stick.

And that is the kind of guy I am. I do not mind going somewhere and getting right to the point. No need in calling myself establishing a false rapport in a room full of hookers. I want to fuck and they want money.

The best thing is that the Korean guys are getting their money's worth. In every place, I asked what the difference between short time and long time was. Short time was 3 hours. Long time was until the next day. So with Koreans, they are paying a chick 6000 from say 10 am until the next day, whereas a Westerner wants to go drink all night and have the clock starting on the girl at 3 am (only a few hours until morning) for the same 6,000 pesos.

There is a reason that experience is the best teacher. Reading shit on here will have you thinking the sky is falling. But when you get on the ground and gather your own intel at different times of day, you will see it is all bullshit. If you want the best chicks, you can go out at 10 am and rent them the same as the Koreans do. Or you can stay in all day from a hangover and not go out until it is time to create another hangover and complain that somebody took all the good ones.I certainly don't share your enthusiasm, but as a black guy. A corny ass one at that, I had no problem at Korean bars.

Their way of doing business if different however. I don't imagine myself looking for pussy at 10 am, but there's nothing wrong with it.

I'm trying to adjust to the new Angeles as I'm not a frequent traveler there.

I got a lot of "hey brother come look in my bar" from tall Korean dudes (touts) outside of the bars.

For myself I accept the changes, and I feel as though the Korean bars have the best looking girls. It's just a matter of adapting to the new atmosphere.

If we wanted things to stay the way that they were, then westerners shouldn't have sold the bars during Covid time. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.

I agree that it isn't the end of the world. Some guys get emotional because the old ways of doing things are gone and adapting to new rules isn't an easy transition for everyone.

[MoonShot]

There are a lot of guys debating the current status of Angeles City bars but apparently very few actually here. I did invite anyone here to observe the bars with me and we could assess the current state of the bars together. So far no one has responded. I see it as guys afraid of defending their positions in person. Prove me wrong.

I have been visiting the bars for the past two days and my initial impressions remains the same. Most of the girls in the bars are 6/7 in looks but on any given day you can find a few girls that are more attractive after going to a few bars. As for the prices, this is what I am generally told. 100 to 150 pesos for your drink. 300 to 400 for ladies drinks. 5000 to 6000 barfine long time. A few say 4000 barfine short time. I'm not so good at remembering the names the bars but I passed on Madonna and XS so far. As for the Korean bars, the girls don't seem to be dancing, they're just standing around or sitting down. You just ask the girl to sit with you and you can chat her with a ladies drink. I have had a few pretty girls sit with me and they didn't have much to say so I passed. So far the 6/7 girls have better personalities and are more eager to chat.

My offer still stands. If any of you guys are actually in angeles city we can jointly rate the girls and it would be better than debating it with posts here. I will be here for a few weeks.

[Mr Enternational]

I have been visiting the bars for the past two days and my initial impressions remains the same. Most of the girls in the bars are 6/7 in looks but on any given day you can find a few girls that are more attractive after going to a few bars.Have you been through the bars in the morning?

[Mr Enternational]

I don't imagine myself looking for pussy at 10 am, but there's nothing wrong with it.What else do most people have to do at 10 AM in AC? But maybe that is why the Koreans go make their choice in the morning and decide to come back and pick them up later on. They make look for it early, but put it to use later on.

[ILuvBrownGirls]

I have been coming to AC since 2010. I was only there for three days and since I was with my GF (not bargirl, not from AC) we just barhopped some. She really enjoyed the Aqua party on Saturday and that was the main attraction for us. From barhopping, I can say that the quality varies. I feel like Atlantis in 2010 had a lot of top tier talent, then by 2016, it was kinda meh and by 2024 it was actually pretty weak. This past week when stopped in for a drink, there was not a single dancer that I would have wanted to take back to my room. At least in 2024 there were a few pretty waitresses. Maybe I came on a bad night but out of many girls, I was not attracted to one. Went down a few doors to Masquerades and the place was packed with westerners and middle of the road girls. No stunners but probably a few that I would have considered for a barfine. It had that fun, gritty party vibe that Dirty Duck used to about 15 years ago versus the much more subdued vibe that Korean run places have. Saw a band on the second floor and then went back to ABC. Next day, I did some barhopping while the GF was doing online class. Bar-nana still has a lot of good talent. Same thing for Viking which was my MVP of 2024. Now, I have a small sample size of two western and two Korean bars but I will say from previous trips that the Korean bars have prettier girls hands down and I have zero problem getting into or barfining in Korean bars. There are a few girls that only go with Koreans but I know there are also girls that will never go with Koreans due to bad experiences. Girls have their preferences and motivations and they can be different. I also noticed for whatever reason that the Korean bars are more on the north side of Fields whereas the remaining western bars are mostly on the south side with some exceptions. It is kinda a bummer seeing fewer and fewer of the older bars. I feel like there should be a historical bar preservation society that makes the new owners keep the same name and facade. Just kidding, the world eventually moves and leaves us behind, accept it. That said, I was not OK with no sign up for walking street. Can someone tell me what is going on here?

[MoonShot]

This is in response to the other guy. The Red Street sign is officially up now as of today. Looks good. Maybe we should now move on from Walking Street and refer to the Red Street bars. As of today, there are no more bars on Walking Street!

[NapaSlapper]

The old Paradise sport bar closed at the top end of walking street (mcdonalds end) a long time ago but recently a new sports bar has been taking shape on the old site, now called western fields sports bar from memory, has a couple of nice pool tables, a large bar area (no dancing girls) fairly quiet inside, about 10 customers, mostly expats, no cute waitresses to look at and flirt with was a disappointment, crazy priced food, can't remember all prices but a portion of french fries was 280 peso, yes 280 peso, small breakfast around 430 peso, a smallish pizza 990 peso, my local beer 110 peso (not cold enough) wishing good luck to the owners but if they keep up with these prices might be an early close, we will see.

Brown sugar bar has been around for many years (just off walking st) it has opened and closed more times than a pros legs, it has recently been closed down again but opened a few nights ago, small bar, no punters when I poked my head in, a couple of chubbie older bar girls, never stayed.

Rather than go over all the bars visited one by one its fair to say all angeles bars are very quiet for punters, the western bars much more so than the korean bars, girl numbers are very low in all bars, very few good looking, younger slim girls around in the bars.

If one can actually get some girl attention and a smile then the western bar fine prices tend to be around 5,000 peso short time one pop, korean bars 6,000 peso and up (one pop) depending on how much the princesses think they can get away with, in truth never been quoted more than 6,000 peso but many reports of western guys being quoted crazy prices by girls that are not interested in bar fining with certain gents unless they can fleece them.

Hotel prices, drinks prices, food prices seem to increase weekly, even groceries and fruit prices are very high in the supermarkets, everyone complains but the prices keep rising.

Quality of girls alas is very low, one has to bar hop multiple bars to find a ok looker, no not a stunner or anything near, just ok, of course all girls that look ok are on the arms of koreans only, it is what it is, wished I could lower standards and be happy with low standards but I just can't so quite disappointing on the town, so in honesty can't reccomend an angeles visit for westerners if one has even some standards, of course a couple of friends I have that could have the best party at a funeral and are willing to drop their standards to fat and old then they are still enjoying angeles.

[Mr Enternational]

Can someone tell me what is going on here?Well they are doing construction on the building to the right and they keep a lot of the materials in the spot the picture shows, so that could have something to do with it. Probably do not want to break a sign that could be there during the work.

[PhilJoy]

There are a lot of guys debating the current status of Angeles City bars but apparently very few actually here. I did invite anyone here to observe the bars with me and we could assess the current state of the bars together. So far no one has responded. I see it as guys afraid of defending their positions in person. Prove me wrong.

My offer still stands. If any of you guys are actually in angeles city we can jointly rate the girls and it would be better than debating it with posts here. I will be here for a few weeks.Hi Moonshot, I don't think it's a matter of guys being afraid of defending their positions in person, but maybe they are just in town from time to time for a few weeks like yourself and are not around at the moment.

Whilst AC isn't my destination of choice, I still visit when work takes me close by or to see a contact outside of the bar scene. I enjoy reading the various reports and even the debates. It's all very informative and you can 'take away' the info you need from such discussions.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[MoonShot]

Hi Moonshot, I don't think it's a matter of guys being afraid of defending their positions in person, but maybe they are just in town from time to time for a few weeks like yourself and are not around at the moment.

Whilst AC isn't my destination of choice, I still visit when work takes me close by or to see a contact outside of the bar scene. I enjoy reading the various reports and even the debates. It's all very informative and you can 'take away' the info you need from such discussions.I am messing around with people but if people posting are in town, we can check out the girls together and rate the girls.

Here is my theory. I see a number of very attractive young girls holding hands with guys on the street. The prettiest girls get barfined early and may be taken out for the week. Guys go to bars at the wrong time and just see the leftover girls and assume that there are no hot girls. Now at the same time, most of the girls in Angeles are 6/7's or below. At best, you are talking about one or two girls at the bars who are hot and they will be the first to go. Still at the same time, if you go to enough bars, there will be a young attractive to your liking but not a large number of them. You better get her while you can.

I was just at the Cosplay bar about 30 minutes ago on Friday night. The place was packed with both Korean and Western men. Even at 10 pm, 5 hours after the late shift started, there were about 20 girls and I thought there were 3 girls that were attractive that I would barfine. I was also at Ace Bar earlier and they had 7 girls and one girl was attractive enough that I would consider her.

Cosplay and Ace barfines are both 5 k.

[PhilJoy]

I don't imagine myself looking for pussy at 10 am, but there's nothing wrong with it.


What else do most people have to do at 10 AM in AC? But maybe that is why the Koreans go make their choice in the morning and decide to come back and pick them up later on. They make look for it early, but put it to use later on.Absolutely.

Enjoy the sunshine!

I for one, prefer daytime action.

It's not as if you're pulling someone from a dark and loud bar and hoping for the best, often with a few drinks on board.

You know what you're getting and can see what you're tasting.

And from experience, daytime encounters aren't a rushed affair_ Phil.

[MoonShot]

As noted, most of the girls in the bars are average looking but you can usually find a girl that you like if you hit 2 of 3 bars and you only need one or two girls per day.

Still that doesn't mean the performance will be good. I did find an attractive slim pretty 18 year old in a Korean Bar and barfined her for 5 k. If you saw her, you would think she is pretty. However, she ended being a dud in bed and wanted to leave early. I let her because she didn't have much to say and if the girl wants to go, I am not going to force her to stay. So disappointing performance but not in looks.

Invitation is open for anyone who wants to join me in assessing the girls in the bars. I will be here for a few weeks. So far, no takers from anyone on this thread. Take note of that.

[MoonShot]

If a girl is pulled for long time from a Korean bar during the daytime and doesn't have to leave until the next day. Does this mean that she's available for as many shots as possible for that entire time period as long as I suppose the girl is treated to all the meals (dinner, lunch)?AceBachelorCool actually has a good video called Bar 101 on that topic. The answer is it depends on the girl and the chemistry she has with you. Most girls aren't going to like being banged all night long and word will get around in that bar to avoid you but there could be some girls who like you and would allow it. The bottom line is that it should not be expected as par for the course. You can always ask the girl about what to expect during a ladies drink.

[KenjiYoshioka]

Gentlemen,

Thank you for the wealth of information. I think I have a pretty good plan of attack for A / see. However, the one piece of information that seems to be missing is at what time the pussy auction starts, or in other words what time the bar girls start their shifts and therefore are barfine available. It seems to me that's the only way to "beat the Koreans at their own game. " I imagine that it's different for every bar as most of the bars seem to have slightly different hours. However, I've seen mention of "morning shift" and "evening shift" girls. Any specifics would be appreciated. If it ends up being a lot of information, I could maybe be persuaded to tabulate the information for the next several of our traveller brethren.

Keep on gettin' it!

[Goferring]

AceBachelorCool actually has a good video called Bar 101 on that topic. The answer is it depends on the girl and the chemistry she has with you. Most girls aren't going to like being banged all night long and word will get around in that bar to avoid you but there could be some girls who like you and would allow it. The bottom line is that it should not be expected as par for the course. You can always ask the girl about what to expect during a ladies drink.LT has traditionally been from late evening to morning, one shot upon arrival at night and another in the morning before she leaves.

Things that can reduce the time or number of shots is if she has golden pussy syndrome or he has a bad attitude, causing her to leave early. Unfortunately girls running after one shot is getting more and more frequent everywhere. Of course, some guys prefer to sleep alone too and do boot the girl early, with full pay.

More time and shots can and does happen for the opposite reasons; she's not so hard core and is happy to keep the customer happy; the guy sets the right mood to encourage her to not work to rule; the good old $$$ where he pays extra to ensure extra inclusions.

I would not expect to fine a girl at 10 am, keep her till the next day, and fuck her repeatedly the whole time for a standard barfine. Either clarify inclusions in the bar before paying or expect excuses why she needs to leave before morning. If she does stay the whole time, then that is a bonus, not a certainty.

AC has a pretty rigid BF pricing structure but tips can still be paid direct to the girl for extras. I'm not a AC expert but elsewhere, I typically pay double for 24 hrs vs ST.

Enjoy. G.

[MoonShot]

All bars vary but generally I am told day shift starts 10 am to 4 or 5 pm. And then night shift starts until closing. Bars close at different times. There are different managers for each shift. I don't know this for a fact but word is that the Koreans come early when bar opens but if you don't want to wake up early there's also the beginning of night shift. You can just ask the manager about the day and night shift hours and they are more than happy to tell you.

[NapaSlapper]

Been over many of the same angeles bars in countless bar reports so here are a few that are seldom mentioned by me or others plus some home truths on madonna bar.

1st things 1st, walking street is no more, as the angeles mayor vowed some months ago that the new name will be red street and so it is now, the mayor also said he wants to get rid of the bars or to at least change their business model but lets wait and see on that one.

On to the bars.

Bar 123, this is a fairly popular bar although long and narrow, as one walks in thers is a single row of bench seating on the left and a long narrow stage on the right with some bar stools, anywhere one sits one is close to the girls on stage, girls here are in dresses, some red some black dresses, local beer 130 peso, lady drinks 350 peso, maybe 15 girls in total, only one girl just ok in looks and body, its a friendly bar, girls are smiley and flirty, especially with the koreans.

Hera bar, (directly opposite QBar) this bar is again a smaller bar, it is a korean oriented bar, no dance shows or girl parades, first thing to notice is the music is so loud its uncomfortable and hard to hear ones buddies speak, around 12/13 girls, again most in long dresses, local beer 150 peso, lady drinks 350 peso, barfines 5 and 6,000 peso depending on girl, did not see any girls that were cute enough to barfine with.

Vikings bar (near to xs bar) this bar was raided some months ago and stayed closed for many weeks, it took an ownership change to be allowed to reopen, the same name was kept and no alterations were done to the bar by new owner, before the raid this bar was fairly popular (koreans) maybe 30/40 girls before some ok lookers, now down to about 15/18 girls, there was only one girl that was worth calling over for a drink which I did, turns out the best girl was in fact a cherry girl (virgin) that although would accept barfine it was only to bar hop not to hotel, at least she was pleasant in manner so did not mind the lady drink bought (350 peso) sorry forgot my beer price but seem to think it was either 140 or 150 peso.

On to madonna bar and the many claims about this bar by the same two buddies, I can only tell of my experiences and bar hop friends experiences (koreans) over maybe 30 visits to this bar, madonna bar is of course a korean bar (have never seen a westerner in there) it opens at 5 pm and closes at around 12 pm, hires very good professional dance group at great expense to do hourly dance shows, these girls although will accept lady drinks do not bar fine with anyone (me and many korean friends have tried several times to barfine these girls to no avail) there are many drinks only girls, the three cutest girls are cherry girls, yet we have claims of madonna bar closes by 7 pm because all the girls have been barfined, I call BS, why because most nights we visit after 7 pm and mostly stay for a few hours, our last visit we left the bar at 9,30 pm, on leaving many korean customers were still inside, the dance shows were in full swing, the drinks only girls were doing exactly that, to claim all girls are barfined in a two hour window between 5 pm and 7 pm is just not true of my experience over many visits, all barfines at madonna bar (probably 30 odd girls barfined between our group in total have all been standard 6,000 peso per girl, of course if one is being quoted crazy prices by the bar or the bar girls here or at any other bar then one is being played and fleeced, plain and simple, best advice just move on to where one is wanted.

In summing up its fair to say angeles city had been deserted by the western monger, blame the high air fares the crazy hotel prices, the korean take over of all the popular bars and girls, the many girls that are plain out racists and will only drink and barfine with asians, the many drinks only girls, the many virgins, the crazy beer prices, the crazy lady drink prices, its probably all of these things but what is for sure many mongers have voted not to visit angeles instead preferring other asian destinations by a long way (pattaya and Bangkok bars full of westerners and girls on a recent visit for example).

[MoonShot]

When I walk by the Madonna bar, it seems to be constantly closed early. I don't know what's going on, perhaps all the girls have been barfined but doors closed no one around the front. We are talking early evening. I'm talking in the past week. If anyone disagrees I'm right here just walk over to the Madonna bar.

[MoonShot]

I see plenty of Westerners in the Korean bars and they seem to be welcomed. I don't see that they are having any problems pulling girls from those bars. If anyone disagrees, I'm right here and we can walk over to their Korean bars and take a look.

[Jarango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoL1inuEKRo

Some good comments on high bar fiens to watch women play with their phones.

[WestCoast1]

Walking thru the archives. Enjoy.

[James 006]

I'm in Jakarta and have fun. I find more young pretty girls than in Thailand. Last time in NANA and Cowboy there weren't many girls I was attracted to.

Here in Jakarta it's also mostly a lot cheaper. I haven't been to the Philippines and am wondering if it's worth traveling to Manila and Angeles? I can hardly imagine that it's possible to find so much better mongering destination than Jakarta now. Jakarta is also relatively calm and I mostly meet civilized men who value the best available.

I have 10 more days to play. Should I try Philipines?

[Goferring]

I'm in Jakarta and have fun. I find more young pretty girls than in Thailand. Last time in NANA and Cowboy there weren't many girls I was attracted to.

Here in Jakarta it's also mostly a lot cheaper. I haven't been to the Philippines and am wondering if it's worth traveling to Manila and Angeles? I can hardly imagine that it's possible to find so much better mongering destination than Jakarta now. Jakarta is also relatively calm and I mostly meet civilized men who value the best available.

I have 10 more days to play. Should I try Philipines?The big argument for PI generally or AC specifically over Jakarta is the language barrier. If you have over come that enough to have a good time in Jakarta, then just stay there.

I see that you have been to Classic. You're not going to find girls of the same quality for Classic's pricing in AC. I assume you have tried the 2-fer deal??

For 10 days, you can either stay in Jakarta and explore more or grab your favourite and take her to Bali or Jogjakarta for a few days. Trust me, costs will be minimal and she will say thanks in all the right ways.

Enjoy. G.

[Transporter]

I'm in Jakarta and have fun. I find more young pretty girls than in Thailand. Last time in NANA and Cowboy there weren't many girls I was attracted to. Here in Jakarta it's also mostly a lot cheaper. I haven't been to the Philippines and am wondering if it's worth traveling to Manila and Angeles? I can hardly imagine that it's possible to find so much better mongering destination than Jakarta now. Jakarta is also relatively calm and I mostly meet civilized men who value the best available. I have 10 more days to play. Should I try Philipines?There is almost no way for you to get much value out of the answer as it is another persons opinion. I actually find it hard to believe that you find many more options in Jakarta than in thailand (my opinion). But to answer logically, since you only have 10 days and you may end up wasting 3-4 days of travel and getting into the swing of things, I would have to say use your time wisely. Trying not to be biased I would have to list the following: rounding down heavily lets just assume that the traffic is a tie, sucks in all 3 places; food and accommodations value goes to thailand; if we rule out everything online, and just look at what is just sitting there, there is more to be had with limited time in thailand;. I'm going to quit here, If I continue on this path its going to start not making sense. Therefore, I think it comes down to money / value. If money is not a problem, then definitely stay there in Jakarta. With a decent budget, I too would probably rather choose to stay in Jakarta.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm in Jakarta and have fun. I find more young pretty girls than in Thailand. Last time in NANA and Cowboy there weren't many girls I was attracted to.

I have 10 more days to play. Should I try Philipines?If your only goal is to find chicks that you like and you have found that, then why not stay? Some people travel for more than the chicks (such as to experience a new place) and it would be advised for them to check something else out if they have the time.

[MoonShot]

Its only been a week but so far the pattern has been that the 6's have been fun and friendly and great in bed and the more attractive girls are been more preoccupied with their cellphones, more difficult to talk to and much more passive in bed. That is just the way it has been so far. I know guys like to say they are not flying all the way to the PI to bang 6's but they have actually been much more fun. Still I am not giving up on the more attractive girls.

[Dg8787]

I'm in Jakarta and have fun. I find more young pretty girls than in Thailand. Last time in NANA and Cowboy there weren't many girls I was attracted to.

Here in Jakarta it's also mostly a lot cheaper. I haven't been to the Philippines and am wondering if it's worth traveling to Manila and Angeles? I can hardly imagine that it's possible to find so much better mongering destination than Jakarta now. Jakarta is also relatively calm and I mostly meet civilized men who value the best available.

I have 10 more days to play. Should I try Philipines?Only you can make your own decisions. Life is about filtering out opinions and information.

There are many Angeles reviews. I have found like any reviews I eliminate the top and bottom one. The most extreme positive and negative posts. Then review the rest for facts and content. Plus points for actual doers who barfine and fuxk. This is not for academic and lookee loos. Look for the motivation of the posts.

Weigh your facts and proceed with your dick.

[Expat American]

I actually find it hard to believe that you find many more options in Jakarta than in thailand (my opinion).
Depends on what you are looking for. If you want 18 and 19 yo all natural girls with no tats or fake boobs then Jakarta has far more than Bangkok or Pattaya. If you want fully tatted up, blonde haired fake boobed barbies then probably Thailand is better. Jakarta is a far nicer less commercial feel with the girls. Thailand has more choice of types of venues if you like to drink and watch naked girls on stage which Jakarta doesn't have much.

[KenjiYoshioka]

Its only been a week but so far the pattern has been that the 6's have been fun and friendly and great in bed and the more attractive girls are been more preoccupied with their cellphones, more difficult to talk to and much more passive in bed. That is just the way it has been so far. I know guys like to say they are not flying all the way to the PI to bang 6's but they have actually been much more fun. Still I am not giving up on the more attractive girls.But I much prefer it when girls are more passive in bed (except when giving head).

[Goferring]

Depends on what you are looking for. If you want 18 and 19 yo all natural girls with no tats or fake boobs then Jakarta has far more than Bangkok or Pattaya. If you want fully tatted up, blonde haired fake boobed barbies then probably Thailand is better. Jakarta is a far nicer less commercial feel with the girls. Thailand has more choice of types of venues if you like to drink and watch naked girls on stage which Jakarta doesn't have much.Let's not forget pricing. James has been going to Classic for $22 per shot (it's even less for their two girl deals). What's that get in AC or Soi6? A couple of Lady Drinks?

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

Let's not forget pricing. James has been going to Classic for $22 per shot (it's even less for their two girl deals). What's that get in AC or Soi6? A couple of Lady Drinks?
$22 would be 1/4 of a session in AC. For $22 in AC, prior to action, she drops her kit, showers, comes out of the CR, re-installs her kit, kisses you on the cheek, thanks you for her cut of your $22, asks for a tip, and waltzes back to her bar.

[Goferring]

$22 would be 1/4 of a session in AC. For $22 in AC, prior to action, she drops her kit, showers, comes out of the CR, re-installs her kit, kisses you on the cheek, thanks you for her cut of your $22, asks for a tip, and waltzes back to her bar.I believe it's a recent modification of the old Long Time and Short Time called Own Time. It's where you offer 1300 PHP and she tells you to go fuck yourself.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

We should have a separate thread for this.China has a "Cheap Sex" thread. Guess what?? A few posts complaining about the loss of the good old days then nothing for six months. Sound familiar?. 😜.

On a serious note, we have had numerous posts showing that 1000-1500 sessions with attractive girls are eminently achievable in the Phil's, just not in the weekend millionaire ghettos.

G.

[NapaSlapper]

I believe it's a recent modification of the old Long Time and Short Time called Own Time. It's where you offer 1300 PHP and she tells you to go fuck yourself.

Enjoy. G.I think in todays angeles most girls that are even average in looks and body tell guys to fuck off while the guys are holding five crisp 1000 peso bills and begging to be accepted, it is what it is comes to mind, enjoy.

[MoonShot]

I know it's kind of crazy but I was thinking that maybe on the Angeles City thread we should talk about Angeles City? Well so far I can see that there are definitely a lot of average looking girls here but they can be fun too. There is a bit more competition for those young attractive girls but they can be found with some time and effort. Now on this trip I did meet two very pretty 18-year-old girls who are slim and petite and both of them were subpar in bed with very little personality and not very interesting to talk to. So just because you see a beautiful 18-year-old girl who is slim and petite, don't think that you're going to have a good time. But I know that there's some guys who are just happy to have sex with such a girl whether or not she's just lying there.

[NapaSlapper]

Sorry photo of madonna bar open at 10 pm did not upload on last post, so here it is, proof indeed.

[MoonShot]

Sorry photo of madonna bar open at 10 pm did not upload on last post, so here it is, proof indeed.A picture of Madonna opened at 10 pm one night doesn't mean it wasn't closed at 8:00 pm On another night. I've seen that bar closed a number of nights early in the past week.

[Turgid]

....... I actually find it hard to believe that you find many more options in Jakarta than in thailand (my opinion)........Mongering wise I had a better time in Jakarta than in Bangkok in 2015. However, outside of mongering I had a better time in Bangkok.

[WestCoast1]

Now on this trip I did meet two very pretty 18-year-old girls who are slim and petite and both of them were subpar in bed with very little personality and not very interesting to talk to. There is little that you / me have in common with them. Their experiences are limited compared to yours. You are a world traveler, she has never left the country, or island. Her world is limited to her compound, neighbors, her hair and makeup. She wants to talk about her family or personal domestic issues; you want to talk about sports, the news, or politics.


just because you see a beautiful 18-year-old girl who is slim and petite, don't think that you're going to have a good time. But I know that there's some guys who are just happy to have sex with such a girl whether or not she's just lying there.Guessing the simplest explanation: Sexually inexperienced. I don't mean virgins. I mean they have not had time to explore their sexuality. Even older girls in Phils have had sheltered experiences: Possibly many, but brief sexual encounters, given few BJ's (or alternately very brief -- a minute or two per; she's never or rately sucked one off completely), received little or no oral. Never seen / touched a dildo or vibrator. Just wham-bam and finished. Said girls are ripe for growth when with you, both in scope of various activities and in length of time. While an 18 yo may have shagged many times, she might starfish as she always has before, as nobody took the time to let her figure out what she likes.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled AC programming.

[Dg8787]

A picture of Madonna opened at 10 pm one night doesn't mean it wasn't closed at 8:00 pm On another night. I've seen that bar closed a number of nights early in the past week.If that is the correct date and time and not edited. We all know once the girls are gone Madonna is closed up. Early!

[Sir Lancelot]

In summing up its fair to say angeles city had been deserted by the western monger, blame the high air fares the crazy hotel prices, the korean take over of all the popular bars and girls.Yet I am here now and have seen many western mongers. I am a western monger myself. As for the Korean bar takeovers, good for them investing money. Western men are welcome at Korean bars and the large majority of the girls are available. It also works both ways with the girls. I'm literally in bed with a girl now waiting for her to wake up and last night she told me that she flat out refuses to go with Koreans ('they aggressive'.).

I always post my diary one week after the fact, so it will be starting in a few days time on this page. I know already that my experiences will differ greatly to yours.

[Expat American]

Yet I am here now and have seen many western mongers. I am a western monger myself. As for the Korean bar takeovers, good for them investing money. Western men are welcome at Korean bars and the large majority of the girls are available. It also works both ways with the girls. I'm literally in bed with a girl now waiting for her to wake up and last night she told me that she flat out refuses to go with Koreans ('they aggressive'.).

I always post my diary one week after the fact, so it will be starting in a few days time on this page. I know already that my experiences will differ greatly to yours.They LIE. They will go with anyone who pays the price and tell you whatever you want to hear to feel good. Money talks. And the problem is while the girls in K bars will go with you for the right price, many of us think over 5 K Peso for a mediocre filipna is not worth it. You clearly think it is and glad you are having a good time. I have moved to greener pastures that work better for me.

[Sir Lancelot]

Looking forward to your trip and your daily long reports, please post some photos of the stunners you claim to find at ease.I used to post photos but learnt the hard way that girls don't like their pictures shared. So I won't be posting pictures as I respect a girls right to anonymity more than your right to judge. Especially because we all know that I could post a photo of Miss Philippines 2025 and you'd still claim she was ugly.

That said, since you asked nicely here's a 19 year old black tape dancer in my room. God bless Angeles.

I do find it amusing though that you throw the gauntlet down like this and demand I share pictures. Have you ever shared a photo of a girl? Have you ever agreed to meet any of the many regulars on here for a drink? Have you ever even fucked a girl in Angeles?

[JennyKk]

$22 would be 1/4 of a session in AC. For $22 in AC, prior to action, she drops her kit, showers, comes out of the CR, re-installs her kit, kisses you on the cheek, thanks you for her cut of your $22, asks for a tip, and waltzes back to her bar.


Let's not forget pricing. James has been going to Classic for $22 per shot (it's even less for their two girl deals). What's that get in AC or Soi6? A couple of Lady Drinks?

Enjoy. G.Depends on what you are looking for. LT is eaiser and simpler in AC.

Jakarta, if you want to get LT from spa directly, it is at least double the AC price. If you negotiate LT with the girl privately, it maybe on par with AC. But you either need to wait them finished their work or their off day.

[WestCoast1]

I used to post photos but learnt the hard way that girls don't like their pictures shared. So I won't be posting pictures as I respect a girls right to anonymity more than your right to judge. Especially because we all know that I could post a photo of Miss Philippines 2025 and you'd still claim she was ugly.

That said, since you asked nicely here's a 19 year old black tape dancer in my room. God bless Angeles.Lovely!


I do find it amusing though that you throw the gauntlet down like this and demand I share pictures. Have you ever shared a photo of a girl? Have you ever agreed to meet any of the many regulars on here for a drink?He's never denied the hypocrisy. Filipinos use the term 'two-face'.

[FuriousGeorge]

I generally take performance over looks. On my recent trip to AC most of the girls were such high performers and got off so hard I often thought they should have been paying me. Yeah yeah yeah 'They were faking it'. I assure you my brothers they were not. I would say there were two exceptions of the 20+ girls I was with. One from Q Bar felt transactional but still felt pretty gaddam good. The other was a recent Score Birds bikini contest winner. Generally I thought she was too popular to pursue clients, but she called to me and grabbed me from the street and it turned out we had a nice vibe. She was one of the few that didn't want tongues or fingers, just dick. Which I provided. Not really a giver, but that body was something to behold during the activities. Take your time, go slow, and make some memories, that's my recommendation. I told her she could leave but she chose not to and slept over. Moral of the story? Not sure, other than I love AC and I will be back as soon as life permits.

[MoonShot]

Going to the bars on Walking Street and paying a high bar fine is not your only option here. If you think the price is too high, there are low price options easily available. I have mentioned the ST bar on Raymond Street for 1500. Well not so great as in other cities, Date in Asia and Pinalove does work in Angeles. Most girls are five sixes but you can also see some more attractive girls there but it takes a lot of effort. These online girls will accept 1500 to 2000 or maybe even 1000 (the average looking girls). Perimeter bars are also a lower price option with generally less attractive girls but you never know. During my time here, I'm going to try all the various options for research purposes. I did go to Rio, but the chubby 5 rubbing my cock inside my pants was below even my lowered perimeter bar standards. My feeling is that nothing wrong with a high performance 6 girl but it would be better if she were more attractive. Still high performance 6 beats a low performance 9 in my opinion.

[Dg8787]

I used to post photos but learnt the hard way that girls don't like their pictures shared. So I won't be posting pictures as I respect a girls right to anonymity more than your right to judge. Especially because we all know that I could post a photo of Miss Philippines 2025 and you'd still claim she was ugly.

That said, since you asked nicely here's a 19 year old black tape dancer in my room. God bless Angeles.

I do find it amusing though that you throw the gauntlet down like this and demand I share pictures. Have you ever shared a photo of a girl? Have you ever agreed to meet any of the many regulars on here for a drink? Have you ever even fucked a girl in Angeles?Nice experience by a westerner but now unusual almost typical. Not dissing your experience at all. Plenty of this around in Angeles.

By his own admission he hasn't barfined in 8 years in posting. He has a stunner at home waiting for him. Sure!

Expect some nasty pm from him now.

[PhilJoy]

My feeling is that nothing wrong with a high performance 6 girl but it would be better if she were more attractive. Still high performance 6 beats a low performance 9 in my opinion.Hi moonshot, from experience, I wholeheartedly agree _ Phil.

[MongerHunger]

Going to the bars on Walking Street and paying a high bar fine is not your only option here. If you think the price is too high, there are low price options easily available. I have mentioned the ST bar on Raymond Street for 1500. Well not so great as in other cities, Date in Asia and Pinalove does work in Angeles. Most girls are five sixes but you can also see some more attractive girls there but it takes a lot of effort. These online girls will accept 1500 to 2000 or maybe even 1000 (the average looking girls). Perimeter bars are also a lower price option with generally less attractive girls but you never know. During my time here, I'm going to try all the various options for research purposes. I did go to Rio, but the chubby 5 rubbing my cock inside my pants was below even my lowered perimeter bar standards. My feeling is that nothing wrong with a high performance 6 girl but it would be better if she were more attractive. Still high performance 6 beats a low performance 9 in my opinion.When I went to a Perimeter Bar in Angeles City called "Night Moves" the talent was worth it at the time and the food was decent. Drinks reasonable. It's a short trike ride from Walking Street.

[MoonShot]

When I went to a Perimeter Bar in Angeles City called "Night Moves" the talent was worth it at the time and the food was decent. Drinks reasonable. It's a short trike ride from Walking Street.I will check it out on my trip and let you know what I think. The perimeter bars are very chill and attract a very laid-back crowd.

[ThreeInches]

Sensations always has some bullshit grift going on a few ladies come by with a donation box or fruit or what ever the hell to try and open your wallet for no gain. Nice selection but this annoying shit has got to stop. Please don't enable this shit at these bars. Gentlemen with very soft pussies come in and as soon as they think up a new scam they can't wait up show them how soft they are and open up. I think I was the only one who refused this bullshit. Tbh they should be buying me fruit, bar fine is already 5 k and the LD is 450 go F yourself with the fruit, come on.

[WestCoast1]

ISG maneuver: Plugging the dyke with your finger.

[MoonShot]

There is the issue of how can we agree on what a girl looks like if there are no pictures? One way is just to go to the bar together and take a look at the girls and have an assessment but the one here wants to do that. Another way actually is girls in public view and I thought I throw that out there. There is a YouTube channel by a guy named Chubs and he has a girlfriend. She seems very nice and friendly and that is what I would consider a typical 6 girl maybe even a borderline 6. This is my baseline. She's definitely not a seven in my opinion and she's definitely not a five. But she does have a nice slim body I must admit and a nice chill personality.

[PhilJoy]

ISG maneuver: Plugging the dyke with your finger.That's one way to stop a leaky dyke Westie.

Nice pic _ I'll be back in The Phils in a few weeks and will give it a try.

Reports to follow as usual _ Phil.

[WestCoast1]

She seems very nice and friendly and that is what I would consider a typical 6 girl maybe even a borderline 6.Borderline 6. Is that a 6 who is nearly a 5? Or a 6 who is nearly a 7?

[MoonShot]

When I went to a Perimeter Bar in Angeles City called "Night Moves" the talent was worth it at the time and the food was decent. Drinks reasonable. It's a short trike ride from Walking Street.I stopped by Night Moves late afternoon and these are my thoughts. 10 girls on stage, maybe 1 or 2 passable "6" in looks, the rest below that. Now, my standards for perimeter bars is much lower, finding those 6's so I guess it qualifies as a decent perimeter bar. If you are looking for an 8 in the perimeter bars, you will be looking for a while. Nothing wrong with those 6's if they have a good personality and are fun in bed.

[TommyEven]

Borderline 6. Is that a 6 who is nearly a 5? Or a 6 who is nearly a 7?Yeah I was wondering too, LOL.

[MoonShot]

Borderline 6. Is that a 6 who is nearly a 5? Or a 6 who is nearly a 7?This is my definition of a borderline 6. It is a girl who is attractive enough not to be considered a five but not so attractive as to be a seven. So I call her a borderline 6 because she's barely a six and could almost be a high level five. Also, she's nowhere close to a 7. I know this is just silly but that's how I rate some girls in my mind. Does it matter? Not really. It just means she is attractive enough that I would sleep with her but just barely.

[MongerHunger]

I stopped by Night Moves late afternoon and these are my thoughts. 10 girls on stage, maybe 1 or 2 passable "6" in looks, the rest below that. Now, my standards for perimeter bars is much lower, finding those 6's so I guess it qualifies as a decent perimeter bar. If you are looking for an 8 in the perimeter bars, you will be looking for a while. Nothing wrong with those 6's if they have a good personality and are fun in bed.Only 1 or 2 at Night Moves? Sounds like slim pickings at that time. Did you play any pool with the girls? One nice girl was hustling on the pool table and doing pretty good but who knows who is working there now. Lady drinks were not that pricey. Buy a girl a drink there and they give her a little piece of paper to track her commission on that drink.

[WestCoast1]

That's one way to stop a leaky dyke Westie.Yap. Seems the dyke had some additional leakage. After a while of rooting around with the finger and finding more wetness, I had to insert a larger tool (both length and diameter) for a 15 minute rootin' around session. At about 5 minutes in this position and couldn't find the source of the ever-increasing wetness, flipped the dyke over and proceeded from there. Once I found the source inside, I gave her a healthy injection of a high-protein, Elmer's glue-lookin' substance. That (and a blue note) sealed the dyke.

Boy them dykes can really take it outta ya's.

[Goferring]

Yap. Seems the dyke had some additional leakage..I knew a similar dyke in Sabang who employed a DEI work crew. When sober during the day, she would have girls plugging holes at the front. For nightshift, typically when drunk, guys would work along side the girls and be directed to the rear.

She had her own apartheid system. I don't think guys were ever allowed on the girls only job site at the front.

As you mentioned, that dyke was always leaking and had a new hole to fill.

She would be an old dyke now. She was an engineering marvel when young, though never totally stable. I wonder if her faults were ever rectified or if she finally cracked and collapsed.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

...
I know this is just silly but that's how I rate some girls in my mind. Does it matter? Not really. It just means she is attractive enough that I would sleep with her but just barely.I assume this is a rating given when she is fully clothed at the bar?? I've met numerous girls who have received bonus points later, when jeans and a baggy t shirt have fallen away to reveal a bikini model body hidden underneath or effort and execution has more than compensated for a so-so physical appearance.

Enjoy. G.

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[Chris Long]

Arrived around noon checked in showered got organized went to the supermarket to pick up a few things for the room walked along walking street / Red Street seemed pretty slow passed in front of Phillies few very few freelancers and the ones there were all sub five, they would have to pay me to sleep with them. Took stuff back to the room then went back to walk street / Red Street still seemed slow to me. It's now around 3: pm stepped inside of cosplay which surprisingly still had a few girls left maybe as many as 8 or 10 and they all seemed fairly attractive I would rate them all 6's and 7's. Sat down and behind me was an attractive girl maybe the most attractive one in the place she was sitting with a Korean customer. As I sat down, I heard her say something about me that I hear EVERYWHERE I go. Philippines, Thailand, Colombia. I stood up and turned around and looked at her and smiles and she said "You look like Superman" I laughed and told her I hear that everywhere I go. For a 60 something year old man to be told her looks like Superman in every part of the world says you're doing pretty good. Talked with the manager and asked her why it was so slow there was me and the Korean customer behind me and that was it and there were maybe as many as 10 girls left at 3: pm when their shift started at 10: am. She said it was very slow not many customers all day. I asked if she had any 18-year-old girls she points out one who was attractive I would rate her a 7. She came and sat next to me we talked laughed I told her I only do short time, and she agreed I whispered in her ear we would boom boom with no condom she smiled and shook her head yes. Paid the 3500 bar fine plus the drinks and waited for her to change. As I'm waiting, I see an attractive girl dressed walking along the other side of the stage and I think she looks nice I wish I would have seen her earlier I would have picked her. Turns out it was my girl dressed and ready to go, lucky me. Back in the room she was cooperative submissive and followed my lead I took charge and dominated her and we both had a great time. Turns out she was actually 20 and not 18, the manager was not telling the truth which has happen to me before in the bars when asking about girls age. After we were done and showered I took a 1000 peso bill with some chocolate on top of it and a 20 peso bill and pointed at them and said this or this is your tip naturally she wanted the 1000 with chocolate. I told her I was going to place them under the pillow and move them around under the pillow and she was to pick one side and whatever was on that side would be her tip. She picked the side with the 20 pesos and was sad and depressed, I laughed and told her I'm only playing she could have the 1000 with the chocolate.

It's now a little before five, she leaves, and I decide to take a nap. End up sleeping until 2:30 am jet lag killing me. Get up shower and decide to check out walking street and the discos. Bars are all mostly closed but there is a fairly large crowd of girls standing in front of Lucifers and along walking street in general many of them I think a leaving their bars after they close. I'm standing in front of Kokamos its now around 3: am and an attractive girl with her friend walks up to me and ask if I want a girl the attractive one is 19 I would rate her a 7. Her friend is 24 and I would rate her a 4 or 5. I ask their names and ages, and I tell the attractive 19-year-old I will take her. After leaving her friend in the lobby and just the two of us are together walking to my room I set the deal I tell her 2000 but she pouts and wants 3000 I tell her 2500 and she says ok. I tell her boom boom with no condom, and she smiles and shakes her head yes. In the room the 19-year-old is even more attractive than I initially thought. She is cooperative submissive and follows my lead I take charge and dominate her, and we both have a great time. Afterwords I give her 3000 and some chocolate then exchange numbers and she leaves. I shower again and decide to check out the disco its now around 4: am walking street is much slower now. Mega dance has a fair amount of people but it's not packed it seems like slightly more guys than girls. The girls are all in groups already taken or in groups with guys in the groups. I circulate around the place I'm there for anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes at most a half hour. I was invisible no one approached me no one talked to me no one showed any notice of me. Mega Dance is NOT what High Society was back in the day. Since returning after covide I have had a 0% success rate in any of the discos. The discos today in Angeles City are NOT what High Society was back in the day.

[MoonShot]

I assume this is a rating given when she is fully clothed at the bar?? I've met numerous girls who have received bonus points later, when jeans and a baggy t shirt have fallen away to reveal a bikini model body hidden underneath or effort and execution has more than compensated for a so-so physical appearance.

Enjoy. G.Sometimes it is the opposite. The girl takes off her clothes and you are disappointed. Tummy issue, breasts not as nice as thought, hairy pussy (for guys who like it bare) and so on. And execution less than desired. I would say it is more the opposite.

[MoonShot]

Only 1 or 2 at Night Moves? Sounds like slim pickings at that time. Did you play any pool with the girls? One nice girl was hustling on the pool table and doing pretty good but who knows who is working there now. Lady drinks were not that pricey. Buy a girl a drink there and they give her a little piece of paper to track her commission on that drink.Beer prices at perimeter bars are reasonable, so far under 100 pesos, usually 75 to 80 pesos. I haven't been buying many ladies drinks because most of the girls at the perimeter bars are less than impressive but I did buy one at Black Satin and it was surprisingly pricey at 320 pesos. Didn't anticipate such a high ladies drink at a perimeter bar.

[MoonShot]

Today Saturday afternoon at the perimeter bars, business is good, the bars are crowded. At night moves, all the seats with a view of the stage were taken. It is primarily an older expat crowd but there were a sprinkle of guys in their 40's. They seem to be having a good time. At Black Satin early evening last night, the girls were going wild with a free spending customer who bought drinks for the girls twice and also ping pong balls. He had 12 girls dancing around his tables having a good time. They were about 25 girls in that bar. Mostly fives and sixes but they may have been one you can consider a seven or even an eight.

[PhilJoy]

Once I found the source inside, I gave her a healthy injection of a high-protein, Elmer's glue-lookin' substance. That (and a blue note) sealed the dyke. Boy them dykes can really take it outta ya's.The blue notes can help extensively. As long as one knows their limitations and doesn't promote greed as a reward for the Elmer substance injection _ Phil.

[PhilJoy]

I haven't been buying many ladies drinks because most of the girls at the perimeter bars are less than impressive but I did buy one at Black Satin and it was surprisingly pricey at 320 pesos. Didn't anticipate such a high ladies drink at a perimeter bar.Hi MoonShot, I know LD'S are, and have been, all part of the game. But the practice of the whole process soon made me think outside the square and source my nooky alternatively. When the BF prices are so high today, with hit and miss results, knowing you've also blown countless pesos on watered down, expensive LD's just adds insult to a potentially lousy lay.

My friend has a senior position in a bar in Sabang and she has taken me back behind the scenes on a few occasions when it was her time to clean in the afternoon before opening. She's shown me the fridge the girls keep their fruit juice and water in shot glasses and beer bottles in prep for when they're bought LD's_ (All the alcohol comes out of a room to the side).

Although the girls get a cut out of the LD's, it's the owners that profit and the punters that pay for it.

There's also a 'regular' bar there in Sabang out the front of a Dive Resort that has about four girls working in there. If you're relatively fit, you might pull one. (I've got two after numerous visits over the years) But their sole purpose seems to be getting you to buy a round of drinks, as there's no BF's for the owner to profit from.

Memo_ In places like these, check your bill before you pay them at the end. A lot of the time they don't expect anyone who's had a big night to question anything.

Yes, The Phils may seem to be a cheap option to some, compared to home, but they're all on the take.

I have no issues with guys questioning prices of anything, especially after taking into consideration accommodation and the the cost of getting there in the first place _ Phil.

[Goferring]

Hi MoonShot, I know LD'S are, and have been, all part of the game. But the practice of the whole process soon made me think outside the square and source my nooky alternatively. Most guys have complained about the cost of each LD but this understates the true situation. Who walks into a bar, buys one LD to interview a girl, then walks out with her? Much more likely is a few drinks over the night or even drinks in numerous bars while having a good night. Before long numerous LDs have cost more than the girl herself.

Luckily I don't enjoy the bars anymore and am an unabashed Cheap Charlie so I'll stick with having a lot more fun with girls away from the bright lights.

As always YMMV.

G.

[Goferring]

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[Dg8787]

Most guys have complained about the cost of each LD but this understates the true situation. Who walks into a bar, buys one LD to interview a girl, then walks out with her? Much more likely is a few drinks over the night or even drinks in numerous bars while having a good night. Before long numerous LDs have cost more than the girl herself.

Luckily I don't enjoy the bars anymore and am an unabashed Cheap Charlie so I'll stick with having a lot more fun with girls away from the bright lights.

As always YMMV.

G.Hey, I do that. One LD and barfine her, straight to trike and to the hotel room. Many complain about the LD and barfines but that is the supply and delivery system. I for one appreciate the supply and delivery system. It is orderly and satisfying. One stop shopping. It is always an option for someone and they don't have to use it.

LD is for interviewing and some entertainment at best. Doesn't matter if the girl drinks alcohol or not. You are paying for her time and the bar expenses. Bars survive on LD to cover salaries and expenses. No bars no girls.

[Mr Enternational]

Most guys have complained about the cost of each LD but this understates the true situation. Who walks into a bar, buys one LD to interview a girl, then walks out with her? Much more likely is a few drinks over the night Depends on your way of working. I do not need to buy a bunch of drinks to pick a girl. If I walked into Mega Dance where there are a lot of freelancers, would I buy a bunch of drinks for a girl I wanted to take? Never have. Would I buy a drink for every chick I walked up to? Definitely not. I would just say you are coming with me.

I can do the same if I went to a place where chicks are dancing on the stage. If I buy a chick a drink, then I am just doing it to be nice, not because it is something that has to be done. And I do not think I have ever bought someone more than one drink. Doing a bunch of drinking is not my goal. I am probably drinking something non-alcoholic anyway.

I am only there to grab a girl that I like and I have never had to ask a bunch of questions to do it. Usually my only questions are how much do you want and how much time are you going to stay. By the time a waitress could get back to the bar to place a drink order, I could be walking out with my selection. I am a simple guy.

I was in Cali, Colombia at a house of ill repute with another board member. The manager told me that he did not understand the process used by foreigners. He said, "You are supposed to walk in, see a girl you like, then take her upstairs to fuck. But for some reason foreigners want to come in sitting around and asking a bunch of questions. You are picking a hooker, not a wife. ".

[Sir Lancelot]

We took a taxi from outside Macca's hotel in Manila to Angeles and the journey took a little over an hour and a half. It's a pleasant route with some nice views. I'm staying at Penthouse, picked for its prime location just a short distance from Walking Street. My room on the 5th floor is decent but not as good as last years. Pro: the bed is comfy, which I roadtested with a two hour nap. Con: the shower floods the bathroom floor.

I was excited to be back in Angeles, eager to see if it would deliver me the same calibre of girls as the previous two years.

After dinner at Phillies, where a trio of top-heavy ladyboys seemed to be reenacting the famous orgasm scene from When Harry Met Sally, it was time to hit the bars. It would prove to be a mixed night.

Since I was here a year ago, much had changed. The newly resurfaced road and pavement is certainly an improvement and Masquerade now has a rooftop bar. New gogo bars like Lofty and Hera have opened up too, which I'm sure I'll be checking out during my ten day stay.

We started at Viking at 9 pm, one of our favourite bars. 20 girls were crowded on to the stage, my favourite of which had her arms folded and looked miserable. In contrast a dark-skinned girl with denim shorts was dancing enthusiastically to every song, sharing jokes with her friend, a smile painted on her face. It was too early to barfine but a pretty girl kept flashing a dazzling smile in my direction from the far end of the stage. I made a mental note to seek her out another time.

A waitress latched on to me, who was a lot of fun. She told me she's now 45, and used to be a dancer at this very bar. She had fake tits which she inventively used as a pen holder.

I've got a lot of good memories of Dollhouse and have barfined some peaches from here in the past, but tonight we arrived at the wrong time. Five older, average girls were doing a dance routine and when that ended seven spotlight dancers took to the stage. Don't get me wrong, a few of them were nice, especially one wearing a pair of thick glasses, but each of the girls got a whole song to gyrate to so it dragged on.

You know you have truly arrived in Angeles when you hear Roxette's 'She's a Little Bit Dangerous' for the first time. At one point 'money for nothing, chicks for free' got played by the DJ. I wonder whether this is the bar's new barfine policy?

Genesis delivered me one of my girls of the trip last year but there was nothing of that quality when we arrived and took our seats tonight. 20 girls in red dresses crowded the stage and the talent was generally average. It never ceases to amaze me on ISG how people who love to detract Angeles, talk about how many average girls the place has. It's always been that way, even in its heyday stages would be crowded with a lot of mid-level girls. But of course the fun is finding the diamonds hiding away. There were a couple of contenders for a ladydrink, including a lovely specimen with classical Filipino beauty who got snapped up by a silver fox sat in the corner.

I will be providing a useful public service in this diary by looking out for Angeles Businessman of the Year, Napaslapper (I wonder what kind of business he does here? Trikes? Viagra?) giving guided tours to his Korean buddies. I'll keep you posted.

What has happened to Monsoon? It's an intimate bar that used to have a reputation for young, pretty girls, but the place was virtually empty with just four old, tired looking girls shuffling on stage. When the place was called Typhoon I barfined a stunner, so it is sad to see the place like this. We quickly downed our drinks and left.

Things picked up at Avalon. There were some younger girls on stage and I called a lovely looking girl down to sit with me for a ladydrink. She was 21 years old and great fun, giggling constantly and dancing enthusiastically in her seat. The dance group here is exceptional. They perform high energy routines to several songs and seeing a pretty girl who can dance is a beautiful thing indeed.

When time came to ask my girl about the barfine price I swiftly had the rug pulled from under my feet when she told me that she was a cherry girl. It's always frustrating when this kind of thing happens but you just have to roll with the punch and find another girl.

It was 12.30 though, so I decided I wanted to find a girl as quickly as possible. My plan was to trawl up and down Walking Street, either looking for freelancers or a pretty girl sat in front of a bar.

There were a few candidates in front of the bars but near the Walking Street sign I saw two young girls. One was pretty, the other average but cute. They were both smoking cigarettes and looked like they were about to enter Mega or Hammer. I stopped to chat. The pretty one Lara was 19, her friend Janice who looked younger was in fact 24.

'You want threesome?' Lara asked.

You don't get offers like that from 19 year olds in the west very often. We agreed on a price of 3000 and were soon back in my hotel room.

'We shower together' Lara ordered and before long I was squeezed into the shower cubicle, their four hands lathering me with soap. Janice knelt down and gave me a blowjob, then stood up and before I knew it slipped my dick into her pussy from behind. Normally I would wear a condom for street girls but they both looked fresh to the game, so I didn't mind. She lifted one leg up and placed it against the shower window as I pumped her from behind, hot water falling on to the three of us. After a minute Janice moved away and Lara manoeuvred herself in front of me, turned around and bent forward, bum pointed up invitingly. I slid in to her tight pussy and fucked her standing up from behind. Never has a shower been so much fun.

We continued on to the bed where I fucked them in turns, first mish and then they both rode me. They shared jokes in Tagalog and giggled, like I wasn't there. As well as being pretty, Lara had a slim body with small tits and erect nipples. I came in Janice's pussy and she joked we have baby tomorrow as she got changed.

An unexpected but enjoyable start to my time in Angeles.

[Goferring]

Hey, I do that. One LD and barfine her, straight to trike and to the hotel room....

LD is for interviewing and some entertainment at best. Doesn't matter if the girl drinks alcohol or not. You are paying for her time and the bar expenses.

No bars no girls.How do you do that? It's an honest question. If I step into a random bar, the odds of me finding a suitable barfine is much less than 50/50. Girls I like are preoccupied, not fining or, for whatever reason, don't want to go with me / do what I like. A walk in and walk out is definitely not a certainty. I'm pretty easy to please but last time I did a bar crawl in Angeles, I found myself half way down Perimeter and still empty handed.

I totally agree. Despite pinching pennies, the one area that I do happily ante up for drinks and fines is Burgos. There, her time includes a face full of tits and a hand full of coochie. That's an enjoyable evening even before bar fining.

Sadly, I think it's heading that way now. There are some for whom the bars serve a purpose, mainly those who don't have the time or knowledge to go searching elsewhere. But there are others who wouldn't really notice. Well, perhaps they would notice but only that more girls are now available at all the other hook up options. 😜.

Enjoy. G.

[Dg8787]

How do you do that? It's an honest question. If I step into a random bar, the odds of me finding a suitable barfine is much less than 50/50. Girls I like are preoccupied, not fining or, for whatever reason, don't want to go with me / do what I like. A walk in and walk out is definitely not a certainty. I'm pretty easy to please but last time I did a bar crawl in Angeles, I found myself half way down Perimeter and still empty handed.

I totally agree. Despite pinching pennies, the one area that I do happily ante up for drinks and fines is Burgos. There, her time includes a face full of tits and a hand full of coochie. That's an enjoyable evening even before bar fining.

Sadly, I think it's heading that way now. There are some for whom the bars serve a purpose, mainly those who don't have the time or knowledge to go searching elsewhere. But there are others who wouldn't really notice. Well, perhaps they would notice but only that more girls are now available at all the other hook up options. 😜.

Enjoy. G.Fair question.

Bar hopping is like gambling in casinos. You can have a few bad spells in one and then all of a sudden you hit a jackpot in it. Or maybe score a few jackpots and then your luck goes bad on you. You try the next casino and hit a jackpot. Bar hopping is the same over time.

Once you are turned down by one or two girls best to leave and try a different bar. The rest of the girls will see you were turned down and will turn you down too, not even knowing why you were turned down. It is like the high school dance where the girls are lined up along the wall and you get turned down by two girls in a row, do you continue on? It has happened to me many times.

Now I go to bars where one or more girls know me. They wave or smile Hello, to me. The other girls see that, you are no longer a stranger! Sometimes I will LD the friend and ask her about so and so. Then I will LD the so and so with the friend making a good recommendation of me. I tell the new girl my ground rules and off we go.

Other times girls in my Friends and Family program will tell me of a new girl working and to come to the bar. In the bar they will point her out. One LD and off we go.

Most mistakes made are guys demanding real alcohol in the LD and wanting to get the girls drunk. Guys are too demanding and expect a lot for $6 LD. They show their true self and it puts off the girls. Only the most desperate ones will go with them and become a runner.

Be nice.

[WestCoast1]

How do you do that? It's an honest question. If I step into a random bar, the odds of me finding a suitable barfine is much less than 50/50. Girls I like are preoccupied, not fining or, for whatever reason, don't want to go with me / do what I like.Its a good question. Most gents don't like my approaches, but here they are:

1) If not interested in barfining, I'm either just out for a drink with a mate, or out for some pervin' alone. Just go with the flow, call a girl down for a drink, get handsy or just chat with her, and soon head to another bar for more of the same. Yes I'm wasting money on LD's, but that's part of pervin'.

2) If barfining, skip completely step #1 above. Call the mama over and tell her what you are looking for. "Interested in barfine only. No cherry girls, no blood, no K-only girls. Girls interested in barfining tonight, who are OK to items X, XX, XXX, and XXXX (my list of needs). You have that girl here tonight? Yes? No?" Get thee down to biz. I don't need a 'connection' with the girl; I need a willing playmate. Tip the mama if she comes through for you. Unfortunately in the days of K-bars, where masses of girls are taken at shift-start, you may find those remaining less desirable, or of those remaining, few that fit your needs.

[Old And Ugly]

Its a good question. Most gents don't like my approaches, but here they are:

1) If not interested in barfining, I'm either just out for a drink with a mate, or out for some pervin' alone. Just go with the flow, call a girl down for a drink, get handsy or just chat with her, and soon head to another bar for more of the same. Yes I'm wasting money on LD's, but that's part of pervin'.

2) If barfining, skip completely step #1 above. Call the mama over and tell her what you are looking for. "Interested in barfine only. No cherry girls, no blood, no K-only girls. Girls interested in barfining tonight, who are OK to items X, XX, XXX, and XXXX (my list of needs). You have that girl here tonight? Yes? No?" Get thee down to biz. I don't need a 'connection' with the girl; I need a willing playmate. Tip the mama if she comes through for you. Unfortunately in the days of K-bars, where masses of girls are taken at shift-start, you may find those remaining less desirable, or of those remaining, few that fit your needs.1. I always think back home: even if I buy a100 $ drink, no young lady will sit with me in a bar, letting my hands touch her, may end up arrested.

2. I do the same thing, but with some trusted waitresses. Mamasan may have vested interests in promoting specific girls.

[Expat American]

Fair question.

Bar hopping is like gambling in casinos. You can have a few bad spells in one and then all of a sudden you hit a jackpot in it. Or maybe score a few jackpots and then your luck goes bad on you. You try the next casino and hit a jackpot. Bar hopping is the same over time.

Once you are turned down by one or two girls best to leave and try a different bar. The rest of the girls will see you were turned down and will turn you down too, not even knowing why you were turned down. It is like the high school dance where the girls are lined up along the wall and you get turned down by two girls in a row, do you continue on? It has happened to me many times.

Now I go to bars where one or more girls know me. They wave or smile Hello, to me. The other girls see that, you are no longer a stranger! Sometimes I will LD the friend and ask her about so and so. Then I will LD the so and so with the friend making a good recommendation of me. I tell the new girl my ground rules and off we go.

Other times girls in my Friends and Family program will tell me of a new girl working and to come to the bar. In the bar they will point her out. One LD and off we go..Reports like this make me wonder why people bother with this place. If I have to jump through hoops and pass some stupid popularity contest for a third world farm girl to take my money for a 50/50 chance at a decent fuck, how sad a loser do I have to be? And now grabbing tits and ass is too much to ask for the value of your LD as well? Thanks, but no thanks. I'm keeping my dollars to spend elsewhere where me and my money is more welcomed.

[Goferring]

1. I always think back home: even if I buy a100 $ drink, no young lady will sit with me in a bar, letting my hands touch her, may end up arrested.

2. I do the same thing, but with some trusted waitresses. Mamasan may have vested interests in promoting specific girls.It's good to see someone whose glass is half full. Unfortunately, mine is half empty as I'm comparing to 1000 p sessions and girls who are totally confused when I tell them it's time for them to go home.

I'd agree that friends and family referrals give the most effective and sure fire fun sessions regardless of where we are playing

Enjoy. G.

[Sir Lancelot]

I had breakfast at my usual place, Kokomoz, which gives great views of the comings and goings on Walking Street. I noticed two pretty girls walk past and go in to Bad Boys. Another sexy girl in frayed denim shorts, always a winner with me, tottered past on high heels. After I paid my bill (an English style breakfast with eggs, bacon, tomatoes, hash brown, beans and toast cost 465 pesos) I walked across the street to Bad Boys and asked the security guard what time is best to visit. He explained that the day shift starts at 10 and finishes at 4 pm and midday is the best time with the biggest selection of girls. Noted.

As Macca tucked in to his Thai style omelette, he told me that he's decided to head to Tarlac (about an hour away) to meet up with a girl he's been chatting with on DateinAsia, then will go to Subic. As a result, I'll be flying solo for a few days.

After a couple of chores I decided to have another shoulder massage. I chose a place called Mamajhen on Walking Street which is obviously popular as I had to wait for ten minutes in the salon at the front, sandwiched between a pretty blond who was having her hair straightened and an American guy who was having his gnarly toe-nails clipped. The massage was excellent and cost 250 pesos for half an hour.

I had a relaxed afternoon reading my book when my phone pinged. It was Macca updating me on his disappointing meet in Tarlac. The girl was 'bang average' and her photos heavily edited. He should have trusted his instinct because he suspected this exact eventuality would happen.

At 7 pm I headed out for my lone wolf mission. My plan had been to start at Atlantis for old times sake but I forgot that Atlantis (and Dollhouse) is closed on Monday.

So I went to XS to catch their early show. Virtually all seats were taken so I took a stool right next to the stage, which I'd highly recommend as you can almost touch the girls as they prowl in a tiger-like fashion, lie on their backs and thrust their hips up provocatively and spin around poles. There are lots of girls and some fine lookers indeed. My beer cost 150 pesos, great value considering the show you get to see.

Lollipop always gets rave reviews but tonight there were just four girls on the stage when I walked in and three of them were average. They weren't dancing as the music was truly awful. I remembered with dewy eyed nostalgia the girl I barfined from here two years ago, who gave me a 'tequila tit slammer', which involved sucking lime off her nipple before downing the shot. Funnily enough, I'm friends with her on Facebook and yesterday she got married to a European guy. She looked a million dollars in her wedding dress.

Things picked up when the number of girls on stage doubled to eight. One of them was very pretty but was a bit too preoccupied with herself in the mirror. That was until she started chatting animatedly with a waitress. I noticed they seemed to be taking about me, glancing in my direction, then whispering in a conspiratorial manner with hands over their mouths, before giggling. 'Why you laugh' I mouthed when they looked over and they burst out laughing. I added the pretty girl in to my mental black book for her cheekiness.

What is it with all of the viagra sellers on Walking Street now? You can't go a minute without being asked if you want viagra, cialus or valium.

I was pleased to see Carousel has reverted back to its old name, after being called Centauro for a few years. It makes sense because there's a big merry-go-round in the middle, making it one of Angeles most distinctive bars. It's great because you get a good view of all the girls as they slowly rotate past. Angeles needs more of these unique bars. I remember there used to be a popular bar with a stage that went up and down and another with a double-decker stage. Blue Nile and Golden Nile perhaps?

There were ten girls on stage, including one with the slimmest figure and smallest bum I've seen. In addition to her there were two strong candidates for a ladydrink. Both petite with pretty faces, ticking a lot of my boxes. I called one of them down, with lovely long hair, curled at the ends.

She dutifully answered all of my questions as she sipped her ladydrink (she is 19, the youngest of ten siblings, likes rap music, dogs and Harry Potter). She had a radiant smile and wasn't averse to using it, so I agreed to pay her 5000 barfine. She got changed in to a lovely long floral dress and was smaller than I expected as she held my hand and led me to the exit. It was still early so when we stepped outside into the light rain I told her to pick a bar we could go to.

She chose Champagne, which had ten game older girls on stage, one of which was wiggling her bum in an old gents face. Wishfully I looked for Precious, a 21 year old I twice barfined from this bar, who gave me my most memorable Philippines experience. She wore handcuffs and innocently asked 'would you like me to suck you Officer Lance?' Fair to say Prisoner 69 was strictly disciplined that night.

Back in my room the girl from Carousel delivered the best sex of the trip so far. She had the perfect little body and, as she had no kids, a tight pussy, which I slid slowly in to bareback. We ticked off position after position, with lots of kissing, before she rode me to a climax. A great girl.

[PhilJoy]

"They weren't dancing as the music was truly awful."

"What is it with all of the viagra sellers on Walking Street now? You can't go a minute without being asked if you want viagra, cialus or valium."Great reports Lance and good to see you're having a smashing time.

Yes, a lot of awful music, not only in the bars, but everyone in The Phils think they can sing. Good on them all for having a go. But, sometimes it's like fingernails down the blackboard stuff (can you still say that?) And my contact in Sabang still plays some terrible shit whenever she gets the chance in her bar. Some four years on.

Yes, the Vitamin see & V sellers are in all the usual locations. Sure, it's relatively cheap on the street, but buyer beware. A lot of it is cheap shit from India and if you've had any sort of heart or blood pressure issues, don't bother. Get it from a pharmacy or take prescribed stuff with you _ Phil.

[Old And Ugly]

It's good to see someone whose glass is half full. Unfortunately, mine is half empty as I'm comparing to 1000 p sessions and girls who are totally confused when I tell them it's time for them to go home.

I'd agree that friends and family referrals give the most effective and sure fire fun sessions regardless of where we are playing

Enjoy. G.I'm just keeping an open mind, my daily pussy is young beautiful and free, but when I feel the need for a change, is when I have those "deep" thaughts.

[Goferring]

I'm just keeping an open mind, my daily pussy is young beautiful and free, but when I feel the need for a change, is when I have those "deep" thaughts.Sounds good. My post wasn't judgemental. It's great that PI has options for everyone.

Free99 is always a good deal. On my last trip, the best time was had with a good girl I found towards the end.

Enjoy. G.

[Mr Enternational]

Yes, a lot of awful music, not only in the bars, but everyone in The Phils think they can sing. Good on them all for having a go. But, sometimes it's like fingernails down the blackboard stuff (can you still say that?) And my contact in Sabang still plays some terrible shit whenever she gets the chance in her bar.Bars? I am talking about the awful music in the cars and public places. In PI they have this thing for 70's and 80's soft rock. And everyone knows all the words to even obscure songs that I never heard of.

Also on the Genesis bus they were playing some TV show at top volume. I could hear it through my Sony noise canceling headphones.

[Sir Lancelot]

I decided not to set my alarm this morning to see how long I lay in and was shocked and annoyed at myself that the answer was 1. 30 pm!

Half of the day wasted I went to Kokomoz for some food and a cup of tea. A gorgeous girl walked past with big luscious lips and a flower in her hair. Then I saw something very unusual, two European girls walking down the street, who looked like two young backpackers. They were either lost or deviant lesbians.

I went for a walk and noticed that Body Shop is no longer, replaced with Oh Nana Bar, which has fresh decor and a circular stage. At a junction nearby a tall building is being erected and I watched as two young men pulled a rope that winched a bucket up to the third storey. I haven't been to the gym at all on this trip so helped them for a few minutes.

There's a small massage shop near my hotel and I decided to drop in for a foot massage. My masseur was a very average looking girl but inevitably I felt myself getting hard when she began massaging my upper thighs. 'You want extra?' she said. Fortunately I asked how much because she quoted a ludicrous 1500 for a handjob but accepted 500. It's worth having a happy ending in these kind of places because the girls might not be beauty queens but they know all the tricks. Her technique was spectacular, making me shudder with pleasure before shooting my load.

Macca messaged me to say he's not having a great time in Subic, largely down to the incessant rain and a poor choice of hotel. It's been overcast and drizzly in Angeles too.

I started my evening's bar crawl at Atlantis, for so long the top dog on Walking Street. It was 7 pm when I arrived and there were 20 girls on stage and a further 10 sat on the balcony above. A cute, petite girl, a smiley girl with braces and a shy girl hiding at the back all caught my attention. When each dance shift finishes at Atlantis, the girls parade around the bar in single file, giving customers a closeup view. The girl with braces flashed me a big metallic smile as she walked past.

It was Tuesday night and the streets were much busier than the last two nights. Lots of customers, lots of girls.

I opted to visit Bar Nana next, which had a good selection of 12 younger girls, wearing dresses. A waitress sat next to me and informed me that the barfine here is 5000 for those wearing white badges and 6000 for yellow. There were only two girls wearing yellow and they weren't as pretty as the lower priced girls in my opinion. One of the girls wearing a white badge was a gorgeous specimen but the waitress told me that she was 'Korean only'. She explained that some were 'European only' pointing out a few that were pretty. This is a great little bar.

At 8 pm I entered Sensations which lived up to its name. There were 30 girls crammed on stage, three or four of whom piqued my interest. A Korean man covered in tattoos was tossing 50 peso notes out to the girls like confetti, as a result the bar had a lively, party atmosphere. My favourite was a skinny girl in a brown dress but she also was the favourite of the Korean man and I didn't want to deprive her of the chance to make more tips from the big spender. The barfine in this bar is 4500 for short-time and 5500 for long-time.

Baccara, a famous name in Thailand's gogo scene, used to be called Cambodia here. In fact you can still see an Angkor statue above the entrance. I walked in at 8. 40 pm and it was crowded with 25 girls on the small stage. The standard was average but the atmosphere lively because lots of ping pong balls were being thrown from the balcony above. A nice looking girl kept smiling to me so I called her down for a drink. Her face was vaguely familiar, resembling an actress or singer perhaps. She was 23 from Mindanao and today was her first day at the bar. You can usually take claims like that with a pinch of salt but I'd later discover it was the truth. She was a lovely girl to chat with, holding my hand and giggling constantly. I couldn't resist, she was exactly what I needed tonight.

It was still early so I took her for a game of pool at The Hook, on Real Street. Although it's a pool club, there are girls here available for ladydrinks. Two of them got chatting to my girl as they were also from Mindanao. They were funny. When I accidentally potted the white, I said 'two shots' to my girl and one of the re-rackers joked 'she give you two shots later!' My girl was drinking tequila which she apologised makes her horny. No apology necessary.

Sometimes you meet a girl in the bar and you just know it will be a great experience, and so it proved. It was proper girlfriend experience and she was a great kisser. It helped that she massaged my ego by saying that she was a 'big dick virgin' before tonight (I'm average by western standards but I'll take any compliment I can get). She joked that we should be on Pornhub when we were on the final straight, me pounding her hard with her hair spread across the pillow.

She curled up to me and we chatted before going to sleep. She told me I was her fourth customer tonight and the third who had asked to barfine her. She turned down a 'fat Korean man because he aggressive', gesturing that he groped her in the bar. She also rejected another man because he asked her after just a few minutes if he could fuck her up the arse. She accepted my barfine request because I was the first who just talked to her and made her feel comfortable.

I've been Angeles for three days now and I'm enjoying it as much as ever.

[Mr Enternational]

Most people come on here asking about changing money. But for us ATM users, I am not sure if anyone knows about Union Bank. There are only 2 locations in the city. One is at the intersection to Porac and the other is on Clark. The machine at the bank to Porac was not working whe.

I went. But the Clark machine was. The good thing about Union Bank is that you can withdraw 40,000 pesos per transaction.

[Goferring]

They were either lost or deviant lesbians.You say that like it's a bad thing. 😜.

Great reports as always. G.

[FuriousGeorge]

This is why I go to AC. The interview process has never failed me. Paying a few bucks for a ladydrink to check out the vibe sexually (and cop a feel) is more than worth it. Also, the girls aren't indentured slaves. If they go with you, your likelihood of a good time is very high.



She curled up to me and we chatted before going to sleep. She told me I was her fourth customer tonight and the third who had asked to barfine her. She turned down a 'fat Korean man because he aggressive', gesturing that he groped her in the bar. She also rejected another man because he asked her after just a few minutes if he could fuck her up the arse. She accepted my barfine request because I was the first who just talked to her and made her feel comfortable.

I've been Angeles for three days now and I'm enjoying it as much as ever.

[MoonShot]

This is why I go to AC. The interview process has never failed me. Paying a few bucks for a ladydrink to check out the vibe sexually (and cop a feel) is more than worth it. Also, the girls aren't indentured slaves. If they go with you, your likelihood of a good time is very high.Girls will tell you what you want to hear and then you may be disappointed when they go with you. Just because girl tells you what you want to hear and agrees to the bar, fine does not mean there will be a high likelihood that she will be good in bed. Yes, of course that will happen but she may also be disappointing in bed. I've had girls who are very good and girls who have been so far after the bar fine. Of course, if you have really good interviewing skills, you may increase the probability that everything will be really good.

[MoonShot]

I am currently visiting Angeles City for a month on a side trip from a much longer trip to Thailand for a few months. It was a short and cheap flight from Bangkok so it didn't cost me that much and it was only a 3. 5 hour flight. So I am pacing myself here and not trying to maximize every day because I am not returning home, just back to Thailand. This is also a test run whether I would want to stay here for a few months so I am switching places to stay every week to check out different locations and places.

As of today, after 2 1/2 weeks, these are my general thoughts. Yes, I was here in the 1990's and have visited a number of times since then so I know about the good old days. But I don't reflect back on the past and I accept Angeles for what it is now and what the prices are now. You either accept and deal with it or you need to go elsewhere.

Yes, there are a lot more Korean visitors than in the past and yes, there are more bars owned by Koreans now than in the past. That is the way it is and probably the way it will be. Complaining about it accomplishes absolutely nothing.

This is my take on Angeles. There are plenty of bars to visit. Most of the girls in the bars are average looking or above average looking but not in the 8 and above range. But if you go to enough bars, lets say 7 bars, you will find someone that you like and that's all you need. It may take a while and cost you a lot of ladies drinks but that is the price you must pay in today's Angeles. Just because you find the young attractive girl of your dreams does not mean that she will go with you or that she will be good in bed. That is the point of the ladies drink to see how she responds to you. The bad news is that if you drink at 7 bars and buy 4-5 ladies drinks, that may cost you 2500 pesos and that is not even including the bar fine.

But if you are less picky, you may be able to find the girl that you like after 2 drinks and 1 ladies drink which isn't so bad.

Yes, 5 k or 6 k for the long term barfine not including any tip for the girl is much higher than in the past but what are you going to do about it? That is the bar fine for most bars now. Some bars do have a short time bar fine but it is only 1 k or 1. 5 k cheaper so the better deal is long time unless you have a runner.

When I go to 6 or 7 bars and see 150 girls or so, there is almost always a handful of girls that I desire and I only need one girl for the girl. Now some of you guys need two girls for the night and even with that, I think you should be able to find 2 girls if you go to 6 or 7 bars. But there will be bars where there are no girls that you like. You also have pop your head inside quickly and just walk out if you don't see anyone you like.

So it is more expensive but if you find a young pretty girl who is good in bed and who will stay the night, 5 or 6 k isn't that bad. Of course, if you get a 6 and she leaves after one shot, then it is too expensive. Depends what you get.

So I am not disappointed on my first visit here in 6 years. It has not always been great for me. I have meet girls who were subpar in bed and girls who leave early but I have also been with girls who are young and pretty and good in bed.

By the way I did meet Sir Lancelot and I can confirm that he is actually in Angeles and that he seems to be having a good time here. Big smile on his face. I can also tell you that the guys that I have talked to in person here all seem to be having a good time.

[A Traveler]

Some good reports on here lately. I was here for three months last year and had a blast bum looking forward to visiting for ten day this summer.

[PhilJoy]

Bars? I am talking about the awful music in the cars and public places. Also on the Genesis bus they were playing some TV show at top volume. I could hear it through my Sony noise canceling headphones.Apologies Mr. Ent. I thought I'd responded to someone else.

The most annoying thing I experienced last year on the genesis bus was and American guy on his laptop and interviewing and scrutinizing potential local job applicants for medical positions for all to hear.

He was told diplomatically after a couple of online calls that the back of a public bus probably wasn't the best place to interrogate hopeful graduates, when everyone could hear him and his respondent's conversation.

I was congratulated by a number of local passengers upon disembarkment for shutting the guy up.

This is getting a little off topic _ Phil.

[Mr Enternational]

Apologies Mr. Ent. I thought I'd responded to someone else.You did. I was just butting in since I was planning to make a post on that anyway.

[Sir Lancelot]

The girl I long-timed last night took a lot of space for a small girl. She slept diagonally.

There's been a lot of rain last few days but this afternoon was steaming hot. I got chatting with an Aussie guy at Kokomoz who told me he used to be manager at Insomnia and Private Dancer (now Las Vegas). He recommended a few Perimeter bars to me.

After he left I resumed perving at the pretty girls walking past from my lofty vantage point. I saw a lovely skinny girl in tight jeans walk in to Hi Quality, then a few minutes later three more cuties rushed in, one of which looked a dead ringer for Nui the Nymphomaniac from Pattaya.

I went back to room but soon got itchy feet, so decided to try some of the Perimeter Road bars. I walk up past the old Margarita Station and soon recognised the garish exterior of ABC Hotel, which I remembered the Aussie guy told me was next to Kona. He said this bar has lots of pretty girls but it didn't. It had a nice modern layout and was busy with expats but the selection of five girls was probably 15 years older than I usually target. The second dance shift was more of the same. Suddenly I felt dewy-eyed with nostalgia, thinking of Ponytails, a Perimeter bar of yesteryear you were guaranteed to find a pretty girl.

I walked further down the street and saw Emotions, underneath a big multicoloured hotel. Underneath the bar's name was their motto 'a touch of class' so how could I resist? Again the bar had a nice interior and was crowded with expats, many of whom seemed to be embroiled in a pool competition. Like Kona the four girls on stage were average.

I noticed a reasonably sexy girl on the sidelines and gestured her over to sit with me. She was 31 and one of those who ten years ago was probably getting plenty of drinks bought for her on Walking Street. She stroked my dick as we chatted, then flashed her tits and with utter predictability I got rock hard. She wasn't the standard I normally aim for but your negotiation position is severely weakened when the girl has got your dick in her hand. Her price was 2500 and a room on the premises a further 500. The room was basic but clean with an old aircon unit rumbling away in the corner. She gave a really skilled blowjob before a very enjoyable quickie. Every girl I've been with on this trip has had small tits so I enjoyed burying my face in to her large boobs as she rode me.

On the walk back to my hotel I noticed that the Walking Street sign has been replaced with one that says Red Street. I wonder what the thinking behind that was.

I got back to my room and received a message from Macca, telling me he was back in Angeles and feeling hungry. We met at a Korean BBQ place called Donenoo on Constain Street and shared a banquet of four different meats cooked on the hotplate in front of us, as well as a dizzying array of side dishes. I went to South Korea on a backpacking trip a few years ago and this meal, all washed down with a bottle of Soju, was a very fair reflection of the food I enjoyed back then. Recommended.

As we walked back towards Walking Street (I can't bring myself to call it Red Street just yet) I saw a cute girl wearing a yellow top, smiling sweetly in my direction. I said Hello, quickly grabbed her WhatsApp number and caught up with Macca.

We went in to QBar at 8. 15 pm and it was impressive. There were 20 girls on stage wearing red bikinis and all were my target age. Several were pretty. I clinked beers with three friendly Norwegian guys on my table. Napa claims there are no westerners in Angeles at the moment and, like virtually everything he types, it's utter nonsense. In four days I've seen many on Walking Street and chatted with a number of them at Kokomoz too. Why does Napa feel the need to lie? Answers on a postcard.

One girl on stage in particular was extremely petite with a lovely face that had a hint of mixed race. I called her down for a drink and she was a bubbly little thing. It was my first bar of the night but I couldn't resist. She had a great face, a great body and a great attitude. The barfine was a bargain at 4000 and she reappeared a few minutes later wearing a tight black dress. She was smaller than I thought, less than five foot.

'You very small, do I get half-price on barfine? ' I asked. I didn't.

The sex was magical. A great girl, really going for it. She rode me furiously, her long hair covering her face like she was headbanging at a rock gig, then I lifted her up and fucked her standing up as she thrust her hips in to mine. Sessions like this are exactly what I come to Angeles for.

We had a long chat afterwards. She told me that she worked seven months at the bar as a 'cherry girl' before an American paid 100,000 to deflower her. He fucked her five times ('he very rough') in what I assume was a baptism of fire for her.

Unexpectedly she straddled me and kissed me passionately before guided my dick in to her tight pussy for round two.

God bless Angeles!

[MoonShot]

I actually did see a fair number of Western visitors to the the Korean bars. They were treated respectfully and had girls at their side. Sometimes the number of Western visitors outnumbered the Korean guys. I never got the sense that Westerners were not welcomed in the Korean bars. I think the managers understand that money is money and it doesn't matter whether it comes from Koreans or westerners.

[Dg8787]

Some good reports on here lately. I was here for three months last year and had a blast bum looking forward to visiting for ten day this summer.It hasn't changed. If you want a good time you can have one in AC. Naysayers have been trying to drown out good reports. Have you noticed when someone is on the ground with reports NS disappears? Absolutely absent when FG was on the ground in December and January.

Latest reports of busy bars with westerns and many girls in the bars. Q Bar as stated many times before is not a Korean bar. Madonna a Korean bar closes early by 7 pm when it is out of stock.

BTW, Koreans tend to hit the bars early and "reserve" the girls then. Later they come back for them. Some bars will allow "service only" barfines, they barfine at a lesser rate the girl just to go with them usually to accompany them in bar hopping. No sex included.

AC still provides.

[Sir Lancelot]

My time in Angeles has been going well so far but this morning I had my first substandard experience.

I had morning horn so fired out a speculative message to the cute freelancer I saw near Phillies last night. She said she could come to my hotel in 15 minutes and tried to upsell a threesome with her cousin. I asked to see a photo and her cousin looked good. Game on. I showered and shaved and was excited when I got a phone call from reception informing me I had visitors. But when I answered the door my heart sank (a feeling I'm sure many of you can identify with when meeting Tinder girls). Firstly the girl I met on the street last night looked nowhere near as cute, perhaps downgraded from an 7 to a 5. Surely the soju wasn't that strong! Her cousin meanwhile was about ten years older than the photo I'd been sent. She looked like the type of girl I'd seen at the Perimeter Road bars the day before, a well-worn older pro. A 3/10 if I was being generous.

Naturally I went through with our sordid encounter, three people very much going through the motions. It wasn't all bad though, the blowjob to finish was excellent.

When I negotiated the price on WhatsApp earlier I felt 3000 was a fair price given the cuteness of the girl I met last night and the promising photo of her cousin, but I overpaid by about a 1000.

Amusing anecdote: the cousin told me she doesn't like Penthouse Hotel because it doesn't stand straight after an earthquake ("one room has big crack in floor" She said it's clearly visible from the street, so when I left my hotel mid-afternoon I turned around and studied it from a couple of angles. It looked pretty straight to me. I think she was talking bola bola.

I whiled away an hour at Kokomoz, enjoying a bolognese (p455) and a beer (p110) before returning to my room. As I was drifting off to a pleasant midafternoon nap, my phone rang. It was reception informing me that I had a visitor. It was the girl I barfined from Baccara a couple of nights ago, returning my contact lenses which she'd accidental taken. She looked nervous, expecting me to be angry, but I wasn't at all, it was a genuine mistake (and besides, I've got spares). She looked pretty in a flowing dress and I hugged her on her way. A few minutes later my phone repeatedly pinged with a series of selfies of her on the back of the motorbike taxi.

Evening came around quickly and I decided to start with a visit to Club Sky. It was 7 pm when I walked in and there were 20 girls on the rectangular stage in the middle, including a few nice ones. I bought a drink for a very pretty 20 year old with braces and long curly hair. I asked her if she likes to dance and she told me she goes to Mega or Hammer every night, a piece of information that suggests you won't be getting a long-time with this particular girl. She's pretty enough to get barfined every night and probably leaves each encounter at midnight to find another customer in the clubs.

Suddenly she laughed and when I asked why she pointed to her friend sat at the opposite side of the bar next to a large western man. 'She say customer smelly'. It never ceases to amaze me how some guys don't make any effort and expect miracle results with the girls. Surely your very first and simplest aim as a monger when you sit with a girl is for her not to be repulsed by you! Washing or a quick spray of deodorant goes a long way.

It was Thursday night and Walking Street was as busy as I can remember post covid. Lots of customers, lots of girls, it was buzzing.

I met Macca at Kokomoz, where we had a quick drink and watched the passing traffic. It's my favourite people-watching spot on the planet.

Next we went to Sensations. There were 30 girls but they were all sat down. The place lacked the atmosphere of a few nights ago, probably because the Supervisor Chamra wasn't there, whipping everyone in to action with his mic. A few of the girls were nice but I got too engrossed in conversation with Macca to consider a ladydrink.

Viking was a bit better, with 20 girls on stage. Last year I saw a few stunners at this bar but they must have gone back to their provinces. There were a few cuties though. Two young looking girls hugged up to each other, their second day at the bar the waitress told me, and a girl wearing a blue top flashed her tits at me. To be fair, if I had tits like hers I'd be flashing them all the time.

We went in to QBar and I bought a drink for the cute little spinner I barfined last night. I told her 'I think it might be your round' but I'm not sure Filipino girls understand the round system. She's a great girl with a manic laugh but I don't often barfine the same girl twice. There were 20 young girls on stage, a few nice. Macca bought a drink for a curly haired girl with a perfect body who reminded him of a girl he knows back home. 'I'm going to take her on my last day' he declared.

Cafe La Meilleure, right next to the new Red Street sign, is a great place to see the comings and goings. A lot of freelancers linger around here too. Macca pointed at one and said 'that girl in the mustard dress is beautiful'. I followed his gaze and the girl in the mustard dress was the freelancer who I fucked on my first night.

Speaking of previous conquests, I also saw the big-boobed pocket rocket from Dollhouse I barfined last year walking down the street with a customer. She'd provided some of the best sex of that particular trip, so I made a mental note to seek her out on another night.

Macca decided to order food so it was time to find myself a girl. I didn't fancy another bar, I wanted a quick fix, so went for a walk along Walking Street to see if I could find a freelancer.

And that is exactly what happened, in spectacular fashion.

Near the bottom end of the street, at the McDonald's end, I saw two hot girls in figure-hugging dresses. The one on the left had dark skin and a curvy figure, the one on the right was absolutely exquisite, with pale skin and big alien eyes. They looked like models. I said Hello, and stopped to chat. They told me they were accountancy students in Manila, visiting Angeles for three days. One was 21, the other 19.

They seemed too good to be true. 'Are you ladyboys? ' I asked and they looked shocked and said no. They quoted 10,000 for a threesome but accepted 5000. I accept this is a high price for freelancers (normally it's 1500 for a good- looking freelancer) but these girls were absolutely worth it.

I felt like Hugh Hefner walking back up the street with these gorgeous specimens on my arm.

I'll say it again though, it felt too good to be true. They were so pretty there had to be a catch. Maybe no sex was on the menu? It's not often in Angeles you get to your room and strip off with a sense of trepidation, waiting for a sucker punch.

But there wasn't a catch. The threesome that followed was one of the best I've ever had. They both looked a million dollars naked, not an ounce of fat or baby damage, they both sucked me and I fucked both of them. After a long session I lay between them on the bed taking it in turns deep French kissing each of them as we chatted. They were in no rush to leave the room and showed me sexy selfies on their phones.

Even as I took my wallet out to pay them I was waiting for the twist. Perhaps they'd claim we agreed 10,000? But there was no twist. They happily took 5000 and walked away in to the night. Even now I'm pinching myself, wondering whether I dreamt the whole encounter. One of my best in SE Asia.

It rounded off an interesting day to say the least. A substandard threesome to start, a threesome of dreams to end.

[FuriousGeorge]

True true. For four weeks in Dec.-Jan., I literally could not find a seat in Lollipop, Masquerades, nor often Q Bar, because they were chock full of westerners at 9 pm. Lolli usually had so many naked girls I didn't know where to look. Contestant #1 from this week's Score Birds party is almost always topless and occasionally bottomless there. Strangely I've never seen her barfined. She may be a tease. Either way she's fun, and fun to look at. Was glad to see the hottest girl, from Avalon, finally won this week.


It hasn't changed. If you want a good time you can have one in AC. Naysayers have been trying to drown out good reports. Have you noticed when someone is on the ground with reports NS disappears? Absolutely absent when FG was on the ground in December and January.

Latest reports of busy bars with westerns and many girls in the bars. Q Bar as stated many times before is not a Korean bar. Madonna a Korean bar closes early by 7 pm when it is out of stock.

BTW, Koreans tend to hit the bars early and "reserve" the girls then. Later they come back for them. Some bars will allow "service only" barfines, they barfine at a lesser rate the girl just to go with them usually to accompany them in bar hopping. No sex included.

AC still provides.

[MoonShot]

Just a short report about last night here in Angeles City.

Stopped by Skyfall. Beer was 200 pesos, a big high. 20 girls or so. Most average looking but I thought there were two girls that were attractive enough that I would have been interested in.

Stopped by Viking. Music loud. Maybe 26 girls. Most average looking but there were two girls that I thought were attractive enough to catch my attention.

Any of those four girls would have been fine for me if I wanted to barfine that night.

Random report on two bars. You only need to find one girl you like and with two bars I did see girls that I like. As you can see, it is only a small number that I like but I only need one for the night.

Both bars had a mix of Koreans and Americans. In both places, you had staff members with those laser pens trying to help you find the girl you want and answering questions about the girls such as age, any babies, etc. They can really help you if you let them.

[PhilJoy]

It never ceases to amaze me how some guys don't make any effort and expect miracle results with the girls. Surely your very first and simplest aim as a monger when you sit with a girl is for her not to be repulsed by you! Washing or a quick spray of deodorant goes a long way.

I wanted a quick fix, so went for a walk along Walking Street to see if I could find a freelancer. And that is exactly what happened, in spectacular fashion.Another great report Lance.

Have to agree and I've mentioned it on here before. Some guys need to get a bit closer to a bar of soap before heading out, simply for their own good fortune.

My friend in Sabang and her workmates often say I smell nice when I venture out to meet them. Initially I thought that was a bit strange as I always have a shower before going out at night and after spending a day in The Phils heat.

But they've mentioned on numerous occasions how western guys have a reputation for not taking too much care of their personal hygiene.

As for freelancers, some of my most memorable moments have been with them. And they're great contacts to keep in touch with on WhatsApp, providing you with an instant option when you next return. And generally at a great price.

_ Phil.

[Jarango]

They told me they were accountancy students in Manila, visiting Angeles for three days. One was 21, the other 19..You think they were really acoutnancy students, known for their hobbies? They dropped their prices pretty quickly and seemed down with the services you rerquired. They might have been down from Angeles ok: clubbing and bonkingto pay the bills. But I find it interesting two "random" students would behave that way. A puty you did not spend more time with them, get to know hem better.
And, for a bonk, freelance is the way to go. I wouyldhn['t worry about the bar lady calling someone smelly as he probably had soap back at his pad.

[Goferring]

But they've mentioned on numerous occasions how western guys have a reputation for not taking too much care of their personal hygiene.

_ Phil.Many guys bring their way of life from home which doesn't translate well in the Asian heat. One shower a day and driving between air-conditioned buildings is totally different to walking around town all day in 90% humidity where three showers and changes of clothes is nothing unusual.

Cheers. G.

[Jarango]

Many guys bring their way of life from home which doesn't translate well in the Asian heat. One shower a day and driving between air-conditioned buildings is totally different to walking around town all day in 90% humidity where three showers and changes of clothes is nothing unusual.

Cheers. G.I have a weak sense of smell and my skin gets stiinky easily. I also am not a good one fro dressing up, though I do look good when I hit the parade ground. I also don't like air con and am not too fond of fans. That said, the humidity kills me there and I would have a minimum of 3 showers a day and change my clothes at least once, no matter whether prowling or not.

The weather is a very major turn off, as is the broken pavements, the dogs, the sog sht, the poor food, the poverty and the lack of anything but the obvious to do. Many long timers get major drink problems and, though they carve out their own social scenes in bars away from Walking St, it is pathetic. I used to stay in this place where all these retured Ossies would hit the bar for Happy Hour and disappear when it was over. Not exactly the purpose driven life, which is why I could not live thee, even though the cheap prices andEurope's awful weather are attractions.

[MoonShot]

Thursday night February 20th this is what I saw on Walking Street now Red Street.

A guy who must have been in his mid-80's walking hand in hand with two girls both in the 18 to 21 range. One was attractive and the other was very attractive. I think he needed the girls to keep him walking straight.

Then I saw a guy in his '60's who was very obese walking with a young slim attractive girl.

Old, obese average looking or all of the above can still find young attractive girls here in Angeles. Of course, bar fines are much higher than before, but still reasonable relative to the West.

[Dg8787]

Many guys bring their way of life from home which doesn't translate well in the Asian heat. One shower a day and driving between air-conditioned buildings is totally different to walking around town all day in 90% humidity where three showers and changes of clothes is nothing unusual.

Cheers. G.Don't forget the westerners have "dirty butts".

Also a big put off is their unmanicured fungus infested toes.

Just to mention a few.

[Sir Lancelot]

Today was rainy. I had breakfast at Kokomoz and there wasn't much action on the street to watch as the rain drummed down.

Normally I might do something to occupy myself during the afternoon, like go for a walk or find some action, but I felt tired after yesterday's exertions. I think it's the first time I've had two threesomes in the same day and it tested my stamina levels. If I was an athlete I'd need an ice-bath.

I got banned from Tinder last year for asking a girl how much, so have been using Badoo, which is pretty much the same type of App and popular here in Philippines. There are lots of girls in Angeles and I've matched with a gorgeous 19 year old who wants to meet. I might give her a try one afternoon. I have no doubt she won't live up to her pictures but I do get a kick out of the uncertainty.

Tonight was Valentine's Night, and I thought it would be only appropriate to take Macca to see the 7 pm show at XS. Once again it was excellent. It goes on for about 45 minutes and includes seven or eight different acts. There must be about 70 girls, some dressed in sexy bondage gear, some in angel wings and some as schoolgirls. The quality is good. Even the most stubborn naysayer in the world would have to admit some of these girls are pretty. Two of the taped dancers were spectacular. Within approximately three nanoseconds a green dot flickered over their chests to inform them they'd been summoned to the side a Korean customer, who will make absolutely no effort to communicate to them whatsoever.

Speaking of stubborn naysayers, still no sign of Nappa showing his Korean buddies around. I think I've got more chance of seeing Elvis.

Last night I saw a girl I barfined from Dollhouse a year ago walking down the street with a customer. She provided some of the best sex of the trip so I was keen to see her again. I took a seat as six older dancers shuffled on stage and scanned around the bar looking for her, with no luck. She could easily have moved on to another bar so my chances of seeing her in my remaining five nights are slim.

The six older girls were joined by eight girls wearing only red tape to spare their blushes. The standard of taped dancers is lower here than XS or Avalon, as the girls are chubbier but they generally have bigger boobs if that's your thing. Two European guys had bought ladydrinks for five girls, including a lovely one with curly hair, who kept surreptitiously smiling in my direction.

Macca was still finishing off his pad Thai at Kokomoz, so I went for a wander down Walking Street. The bottom end of the street is showing more signs of life now. Dragon had girls outside and its staircase was lit up and a few new small bars have opened opposite, Casino and Aura. Is Angeles back to its best? No. Is it still a magnificent place for mongers and heading in an upwards trajectory? Yes. The place is improving year on year after covid.

Viking is one of our favourite bars. It has a wooden ship as a stage, a nice collection of younger girls and friendly staff. As a result there's always a good atmosphere.

'I know which girl you're going to barfine' Macca said to me before I'd even taken my first mouthful of beer.

I hadn't even studied the lineup yet, with 25 girls crowded on stage and there were several reasonably cute ones. But standing out was a small, cute girl with a lovely face and a beaming grin. If I asked Artificial Intelligence to create a bargirl for me, it would probably be her. Part of me didn't want to be so predictable and prove Macca right but enough of those games, I called her down for a drink. She was 21 and even cuter up close. She was a bubbly little thing and fired lots of questions to me, so our conversation wasn't a one way street.

After paying the 5500 barfine she went to get changed into an elegant dress and we walked hand-in-hand out of the bar. She was tiny, even with high heels. As it was Valentine's Night the rose sellers were out in full force.

She might have been sweetness personified in the bar, but in the bedroom she had a naughty side. 'Do you like to eat pussy? ' she asked and we had a leisurely 69, communicating via a series of grunts, groans and mmms. The sex was great too. She initially asked if I had a condom but agreed to fuck bareback so long as I didn't come in her pussy. She had a tight young body and fuller tits. Every time I sucked her nipples she groaned loudly.

After we finished we had a long chat and showed each other photos on our phones. She told me she liked to sing and our night concluded with us dancing and doing twirls around my room as we sang 'She's a little bit dangerous' to each other.

[Heisenberg16]

Today was rainy. I had breakfast at Kokomoz and there wasn't much action on the street to watch as the rain drummed down.

Normally I might do something to occupy myself during the afternoon, like go for a walk or find some action, but I felt tired after yesterday's exertions. I think it's the first time I've had two threesomes in the same day and it tested my stamina levels. If I was an athlete I'd need an ice-bath.

I got banned from Tinder last year for asking a girl how much, so have been using Badoo, which is pretty much the same type of App and popular here in Philippines. There are lots of girls in Angeles and I've matched with a gorgeous 19 year old who wants to meet. I might give her a try one afternoon. I have no doubt she won't live up to her pictures but I do get a kick out of the uncertainty.

Tonight was Valentine's Night, and I thought it would be only appropriate to take Macca to see the 7 pm show at XS. Once again it was excellent. It goes on for about 45 minutes and includes seven or eight different acts. There must be about 70 girls, some dressed in sexy bondage gear, some in angel wings and some as schoolgirls. The quality is good. Even the most stubborn naysayer in the world would have to admit some of these girls are pretty. Two of the taped dancers were spectacular. Within approximately three nanoseconds a green dot flickered over their chests to inform them they'd been summoned to the side a Korean customer, who will make absolutely no effort to communicate to them whatsoever.

Speaking of stubborn naysayers, still no sign of Nappa showing his Korean buddies around. I think I've got more chance of seeing Elvis.

Last night I saw a girl I barfined from Dollhouse a year ago walking down the street with a customer. She provided some of the best sex of the trip so I was keen to see her again. I took a seat as six older dancers shuffled on stage and scanned around the bar looking for her, with no luck. She could easily have moved on to another bar so my chances of seeing her in my remaining five nights are slim.Nice report! Love the part about using AI to create a bargirl, LOL!

How much did you pay this girl? I have been to Viking but in 2023 the scene was still recovering from Covid so the lineup was pretty bad.

[Dg8787]

Today was rainy. I had breakfast at Kokomoz and there wasn't much action on the street to watch as the rain drummed down.

Normally I might do something to occupy myself during the afternoon, like go for a walk or find some action, but I felt tired after yesterday's exertions. I think it's the first time I've had two threesomes in the same day and it tested my stamina levels. If I was an athlete I'd need an ice-bath.

I got banned from Tinder last year for asking a girl how much, so have been using Badoo, which is pretty much the same type of App and popular here in Philippines. There are lots of girls in Angeles and I've matched with a gorgeous 19 year old who wants to meet. I might give her a try one afternoon. I have no doubt she won't live up to her pictures but I do get a kick out of the uncertainty.

Tonight was Valentine's Night, and I thought it would be only appropriate to take Macca to see the 7 pm show at XS. Once again it was excellent. It goes on for about 45 minutes and includes seven or eight different acts. There must be about 70 girls, some dressed in sexy bondage gear, some in angel wings and some as schoolgirls. The quality is good. Even the most stubborn naysayer in the world would have to admit some of these girls are pretty. Two of the taped dancers were spectacular. Within approximately three nanoseconds a green dot flickered over their chests to inform them they'd been summoned to the side a Korean customer, who will make absolutely no effort to communicate to them whatsoever.

Speaking of stubborn naysayers, still no sign of Nappa showing his Korean buddies around. I think I've got more chance of seeing Elvis.

Last night I saw a girl I barfined from Dollhouse a year ago walking down the street with a customer. She provided some of the best sex of the trip so I was keen to see her again. I took a seat as six older dancers shuffled on stage and scanned around the bar looking for her, with no luck. She could easily have moved on to another bar so my chances of seeing her in my remaining five nights are slim.

The six older girls were joined by eight girls wearing only red tape to spare their blushes. The standard of taped dancers is lower here than XS or Avalon, as the girls are chubbier but they generally have bigger boobs if that's your thing. Two European guys had bought ladydrinks for five girls, including a lovely one with curly hair, who kept surreptitiously smiling in my direction.

Macca was still finishing off his pad Thai at Kokomoz, so I went for a wander down Walking Street. The bottom end of the street is showing more signs of life now. Dragon had girls outside and its staircase was lit up and a few new small bars have opened opposite, Casino and Aura. Is Angeles back to its best? No. Is it still a magnificent place for mongers and heading in an upwards trajectory? Yes. The place is improving year on year after covid.

Viking is one of our favourite bars. It has a wooden ship as a stage, a nice collection of younger girls and friendly staff. As a result there's always a good atmosphere.

'I know which girl you're going to barfine' Macca said to me before I'd even taken my first mouthful of beer.

I hadn't even studied the lineup yet, with 25 girls crowded on stage and there were several reasonably cute ones. But standing out was a small, cute girl with a lovely face and a beaming grin. If I asked Artificial Intelligence to create a bargirl for me, it would probably be her. Part of me didn't want to be so predictable and prove Macca right but enough of those games, I called her down for a drink. She was 21 and even cuter up close. She was a bubbly little thing and fired lots of questions to me, so our conversation wasn't a one way street.

After paying the 5500 barfine she went to get changed into an elegant dress and we walked hand-in-hand out of the bar. She was tiny, even with high heels. As it was Valentine's Night the rose sellers were out in full force.

She might have been sweetness personified in the bar, but in the bedroom she had a naughty side. 'Do you like to eat pussy? ' she asked and we had a leisurely 69, communicating via a series of grunts, groans and mmms. The sex was great too. She initially asked if I had a condom but agreed to fuck bareback so long as I didn't come in her pussy. She had a tight young body and fuller tits. Every time I sucked her nipples she groaned loudly.

After we finished we had a long chat and showed each other photos on our phones. She told me she liked to sing and our night concluded with us dancing and doing twirls around my room as we sang 'She's a little bit dangerous' to each other.Nice real time action reports. Too bad naysayer is not in town to accompany you on your adventures and give us play by play reports and evaluations. The Angeles Business man of the decade is probably out in Thailand and or Korea making more business deals. Bringing a ton of high paying jobs back to Angeles.

I am glad someone is validating my experiences and review of Angeles.

[Turgid]

Don't forget the westerners have "dirty butts".

Also a big put off is their unmanicured fungus infested toes.

Just to mention a few.These girls really work for their cash.

[Goferring]

These girls really work for their cash.Hard to imagine why girls would take the LD's only or LDR sponsor option when they could be blowing stinky grandpa every night. 😜.

G.

[Sir Lancelot]

I met Macca at SM Mall at midday. We had a coffee and then went to the food court for lunch. I had a couple of tasty Japanese dishes to set me up for the day. The mall is a great people-watching spot, and by that I mean a good place to leer at pretty Filipino girls.

It was hot today. We walked back to Fields Avenue, had a mango smoothie in a cafe overlooking the street. The dwarf who has begged for money here for a long as I can remember came up to our table and held his plastic cup out. After he left empty-handed Macca said 'he's a cheeky little fucker begging for money, he's the fattest guy in Angeles! '.

To conclude our afternoon, we played pool at Western Fields Bar near the bottom of Walking Street. I beat Macca 3-0 with a big slice of luck as he lost the first two frames by fouling on the black. I hope my good luck continues tonight in the bars.

Earlier in the week I thought Robs Gastropub opposite my hotel was closed but it's actuality having a refit. I poked my head through the door and it doesn't look far off reopening.

I was flying solo tonight as Macca had a Tinder meet, so started my bar crawl at one of the new Korean bars on Walking Street, Lofty. It is a thin bar with a narrow stage down the middle. There were 17 young girls, a few cute. But the bar has two problems. Firstly drinks are 200, making it 50 pesos more expensive than most bars on the street, secondly the girls sat down a minute after I entered. They sit, chat, munch food and play with their phones until the guy at the door rings a bell to inform them a customer is walking in, then they'll stand up and make a fleeting effort. The whole setup is lazy and not geared to creating a good customer experience.

It was 7. 15 pm when I walked in to Shooters. I like the layout here, it's just a good old-fashioned bar with a rectangular stage in the middle. There were 15 older girls in black dresses and the place was popular with expats, including a guy sat opposite with an epic handlebar moustache.

Dragon uses to be a good bet for nice girls, so I went up the illuminated steps and sat down on a wobbly seat. Five girls were swaying from side to side in elegant dresses and a few were worthy of consideration. However I didn't get chance to pick because two waitresses and a gay papasan swarmed me and brought a girl to sit next to me. I've never had that happen to me in Angeles before. The girl was 22, skinny and stroked my dick as we exchanged smalltalk. It was hard to have a relaxed conversation though as the papasan kept piping in. 'She give good deepthroat' he said, 'can boom boom eight times a night'. I was tempted but the night was young. The barfine in Dragon is 5500.

After saying goodbye to the cheerful toilet attendant Pablo I walked back up Walking Street, wondering which bar to go in to next. On a spur of the moment I went to Las Vegas, which is on Raymond Street. It impressed me a year ago and had some nice girls but tonight it was a letdown. Five girls in frayed denim shorts were doing a cutesy Korean dance routine and next an average girl in a black dress did a slow dance to moody music. Is it too much to ask to go in to a bar and see a stage full of girls? After 20 minutes finally the stage filled with 25 average girls but they were so preoccupied with the 20 peso rain showers a Korean customer kept doing, a demeaning spectacle I always think, I decided to leave.

I'd been to four bars so far and three of them (Lofty, Dragon and Las Vegas) lacked atmosphere, so it was nice to enter Lollipop and see it so crowded. There was barely a free seat in the bar, so I got a stool next to the stage, not a place for the faint-hearted. The girls are a little wilder here and one lowered her knickers in front of my face to reveal a tattoo which said 'Fist me'. A few of the girls were sexy but my favourites were sat with customers.

It was 9 pm when I walked in to Atlantis. There were eight white tape dancers, one of which was tall and skinny with fair hair and an exotic appearance. The second shift had 15 older girls, so I left.

When I left the bar I saw a familiar face, the cutie I barfined from Viking last night, walking down the street with a customer. She smiled to me but looked a bit sheepish. I don't know why girls do this, we all know they've got a job to do.

Dollhouse was packed when I walked in. There was a bikini contest to celebrate the bar's 20th anniversary. 15 girls were competing, including the big-boobed girl I barfined from here last year. I got a real kick seeing her catwalking around the stage, her large natural tits jiggling with each stride.

There were a few other exceptional girls, including one named Charlotte, but they were with customers. The idea of these contests is that customers buy beads to throw to their favourite girl and the girl with the most beads wins. Problem is, the annoying DJ drags it on as long as possible so that big-spending customers can spend 5000 pesos (yes, FIVE THOUSAND) on golden necklaces so the girl they're trying to impress can win a competition they'll probably have forgotten about in the morning. The things some guys do in Angeles.

I decided to leave but when I opened the curtain to walk out, rain was lashing down, the new road a river.

As a result I relucantly retreated back in to Dollhouse and bought myself another drink. I also bought a ladydrink for a pretty girl but conversation was difficult because the DJ was so loud ('this is your absolute last chance to buy beads' By the time I left, the girl I fucked last year had three gold necklaces around her neck and looked favourite to win. It's funny, the guy who ends up fucking her tonight probably spent upwards of 25,000 to get his bikini contest winner trophy fuck, for a girl I paid 5000 for last year.

Thankfully the rain had stopped when I left. It was nearly midnight and the night had completely run away from me. Suddenly the prospect of going in to another bar didn't appeal, I just needed a quickie to finish the night.

I walked along Walking Street and saw a familiar face, the cutie I fucked earlier in the week as part of a threesome. This time she was on her own and keen for a repeat. With one eye on the weather, I accepted her offer and we had an enjoyable session to finish the night.

[MoonShot]

Or a short term visitor, I think Angeles is still a good place to visit for easy access to attractive girls. Most of the bars are concentrated in a small area and if you visit enough bars, you can choose from hundreds of girls and you will find one that you like and that is all you need. At the same time, you can go to 3 or 4 bars in a row and not see anyone to your liking. Not a problem, just go to a few more bars and you should be fine.

I have not had issues finding a young very attractive girl in the bars when I am barhopping at least 7-8 bars. Now performance is a different issue. Young hot pretty girls have resulted in average sex. Attractive enough girls have been more fun and better in bed. It's a small sample size but that has been my experience so far. My experience has not been that this is the greatest place ever but it is also not "this place sucks". It is somewhere in between.

Here is something that someone mentioned and it is generally true. The girls come here because they are desperately poor but they would prefer not to work here if given the choice. They have to go with men not only old enough to be their dads but guys old enough to be their grandfathers or great grandfathers when the girl is 18 and the guy is mid 80's. This is not an alternative universe where girls find overweight old guys to be sexually desirable. Still if the guy is generous, the girls will make the effort to try to get repeat business but if you pay close attention, you can see the "tells" because girls sometimes drop their guard and you can see how they really feel. But many guys don't notice and they just think wow this young hot girl is really into me, and there is nothing wrong with that. Yes, it reminds me of the Matrix movie. You can take the red pill and learn the truth or take the blue pill and remain in ignorance. For a short trip, it's better just to take the red pill and enjoy the ride.

Now, I am actually in expat mode because I am not actually on vacation so I have to take the blue pill. My home is where my suitcase is and I have been traveling for basically 6 months now so easy access to young attractive girls is not something different for me when I come to Angeles. When you take that into consideration, then Angeles as a long term consideration is less attractive to me. Everything else about Angeles is lacking. Still you can have fun in Angeles and it is a good place to visit for a short term. I would never consider retiring in Angeles but I could still return here for a short term visit.

[MoonShot]

Sorry it has been a while since I saw the Matrix. Red pill is learn the truth. Blue pill is to return to the illusion. So I prefer to take the RED pill because I am in expat mode but on a short trip, just take the BLUE pill and enjoy the ride. No reason to deal with reality. The girls love unattractive older foreigners with a belly. It is so sexy.

[A Traveler]

True true. For four weeks in Dec.-Jan., I literally could not find a seat in Lollipop, Masquerades, nor often Q Bar, because they were chock full of westerners at 9 pm. Lolli usually had so many naked girls I didn't know where to look. Contestant #1 from this week's Score Birds party is almost always topless and occasionally bottomless there. Strangely I've never seen her barfined. She may be a tease. Either way she's fun, and fun to look at. Was glad to see the hottest girl, from Avalon, finally won this week.Wait, what? Naked girls at Lollipop? That place was chock full of sexy young girls a year ago, but they were not naked. I'm looking even more forward to my trip this summer.

[FuriousGeorge]

Well, two versions of naked. Lots of girls at Lollipop will take their tops off and parade around the stage for a few minutes before putting it back on. Often, girls sitting with customers they know will also take them off and let him grope openly. They also have girls on stage with these little plastic see-shaped clamps that fit into their butt crack and then go around and barely cover their slit up front. Their friends will often steal them and then get chased around to recover it, or the fun ones will just take them off for a bit. Lollipop is the most liberal bar on WS as far as nudity is concerned.


Wait, what? Naked girls at Lollipop? That place was chock full of sexy young girls a year ago, but they were not naked. I'm looking even more forward to my trip this summer.

[Sir Lancelot]

A good alternative to Kokomoz for breakfast is Western Fields Bar at the end of the street. The food is good and it's an excellent place to people-watch. I also have to hand it to the management, the staff are incredibly polite, helpful and friendly.

Macca told me about his Tinder meet last night. It went well and the girl was pretty, just like her photos. She told him that she started work at Hi Quality on Walking Street specifically so she could sell her virginity, and within two days a Korean man paid 100,000 pesos for it. The Korean man fucked her but thought the blood was period blood, so went back to the bar to complain. You'd like to think that the bar told the arsehole to fuck off but no, the Korean manager agreed to settle on a price of 10,000. Or at least that's what the girl was told. What are the odds that the Korean manager and the customer came up with a nice little financial arrangement behind the girl's back? As a result the girl has never worked in a bar since and will never speak to a Korean man ever again.

I'm sure a lot of you log on to ISG especially to hear the latest news in mine and Macca's epic pool battle and this afternoon's thrilling action ended 2-2, me keeping my nerve in a tense finale to steal the final frame. I'm leading 6-4 for the trip. More live pool tomorrow.

We popped in to Viking at 3 pm and the stage had about 15 girls, a few of which were quite nice. I'd have been interested in a quick short-time but the short-time price of 4000 is too steep for a quickie. I got back to my room and whiled away a few hours before it was time to get ready for another night out.

I hoped to start at Skyfall but there wasn't a spare seat for me to sit. Yet despite the fact the place was heaving with customers, all of the girls were sat down on the edge of the stage. This is a trend that has to stop. I turned around and walked back out.

Madonna gets raved about in some quarters and there were 12 girls lined up in different coloured gowns at 7 pm. Those in black can be barfined for 7000, those in white for 8000 and the girls wearing red gowns are an eye-watering 10,000. I didn't want to visit this bar because of these ludicrous prices but I was intrigued to see what a 10,000 girl looks like. The answer? Just like a 5000 girl in some of the other bars. You'd think they must be supermodels but you'd be wrong. Of the three top-end girls, one was very cute, one was average and one must have been the owners daughter.

Ladydrinks are a ridiculous 550 too. I called the mamasan over and told her I would have liked to buy a drink for a girl but 550 is too expensive. She proudly told me 'drinks expensive because we high class'.

It just goes to prove you that could take a cheeseburger, put gold leaf on it and call it Super Deluxe, and some gullible fuckwit will pay 100 for it in a pretentious restaurant. Patrons of this bar revel in delusions of grandeur.

The mamasan told me the bar opens at 5 pm and closes any time after 7 pm depending on the number of girls. Given the fact I was their only customer, I suspect it was last orders.

Avalon had ten girls on stage when I walked in, all very pleasant but nothing to set my pulse racing. At least all of the girls were dancing and making an effort though.

La Bamba is an expat bar, which means cheap beer prices, mirrors covered with the names of people who have rang the bell and a selection of game older girls. Someone had bought food in for the five girls on stage and it was like feeding time at the zoo as they all grabbed their fill. There was nothing for me to see so I left.

Club 123 is a strange bar with a long stage along wall, on which 25 girls were stood. Barely had I looked along the line, they all sat down again. This is the new most annoying trend in Angeles. It's just lazy management. In terms of the girls, they're generally younger here and I saw a few nice ones, deciding to buy a drink for one with braces on her teeth who kept smiling in my direction. She was a cute 24 year old and a breath of fresh air, bright and inquisitive. Before she worked at the bar she worked ten hour shifts at a factory.

By 8. 20 pm Macca had finally finished his meal at Kokomoz so we went to Carousel together. The girl I barfined on my second night in Angeles wasn't there but there was a lovely girl named Rosel with a Marilyn Monroe beauty spot.

After the excitement of the 20th anniversary celebrations at Dollhouse last night, it was quiet tonight with little talent on offer. Last night there were three girls I'd barfine in the blink of an eye but they were nowhere to be seen. By far the most interesting thing was when Mick Jagger and Keith Richard wannabes sat down next to the stage.

I bought a drink for the cute girl I barfined from QBar earlier in the trip and Macca a drink for the girl he plans to meet tomorrow, on her day off. The stage was crowded with 20 young girls, including a few nice ones. This bar is currently one of the best on Walking Street.

Macca decided to find a bar to watch a football match from back home, so I decided it was time to barfine a girl.

Sensations has impressed me on this trip as it always has plenty of girls to choose from. There were 30 stood on the stage or sat on the rail at the front and I whittled them down to three candidates for a drink. An exotic looking big-lipped girl, a rather unique Western looking girl stood in the middle or a cute dark-skinned girl who kept smiling at me. I chose the latter but it proved to be a bad choice. Not because of the girl, she was 20 and looked every bit as cute up close, but because it was only her second day and she hadn't been barfined yet, so when I explained I'd like to go with her she said 'I'm shy'. I never force a girl in to something she's not ready to do, so let her return to the stage. I contemplated calling one of my other choices down but no girl likes being second choice. Perhaps another night.

I decided to walk up to Insomnia on Perimeter Road, where there were only seven older girls and the quality average. On the stroll back to Walking Street I passed Phillies, lined with grizzly expats. I wonder what they make of all the ladyboys that gather out front.

I needed to pick a bar with lots of girls so chose XS. It proved to be an interesting experience.

There were 30 girls on stage, a mixture of the normal girls, the models and white tape dancers. A waitress sat next to me and when I told her I was looking to barfine from this bar she became my own personal assistant. I told her I was interested in a pretty girl with long hair at the side of the stage and she went off to bring her to my side. But with comical split-second timing, just as she was calling up to the girl, a green laser dot moved from side to side on her chest as she was summoned to a Korean customer. The waitress turned around comically, hands on her head, like she'd been beaten in a sprint finish at the line.

On the way back to my side she took a laser-pointer from another member of staff and used it to point out a cute girl in a sexy blue outfit with knee-high white socks. I thought why not. She was a sweet girl with a 6000 price-tag but could only stay short-time. In such situations there should surely be a reduction in cost but not here. The girl went back up to the stage and I gulped my drink down, ready to leave.

But sometimes the gogo gods are smiling down on you.

Just as I was about to pay my bill, a catwalk show started and one of the girls was exceptional. I couldn't take my eyes off her as she strutted to the centre of the stage, pulled a pose and stood at the side with the other girls.

By this point the mamasan had sat next to me too and was keen to find me a girl. 'You like girl? Only 5000 long-time ' she said, catching my gaze. I acted quickly before another customer beat me to it and the girl was even prettier up close, with a gorgeous face, long curly hair and glittery eye makeup. She was 20 years old and told me she used to be a black tape model. It was crazy her price was less than the other girl who I bought a drink for.

I'd struck lucky. Not only was she a great girl but thanks to the mamasan's intervention, she was guaranteed to stay for long-time.

There is so much talk on these pages about 'Korean bars' with doom merchants like Napa implying that westerners stand no chance of barfining pretty girls, but it's nonsense. The waitress and mamasan couldn't have been more helpful to help me find a girl.

I paid the barfine and felt happy with myself as I led such a little stunner the short distance back to my hotel. The security guard at my hotel gave me an approving smile as we walked past.

Despite a little shyness once we got in to bed together, where she seemed to stall by showing me a million photos on her phone, eventually we got down to business. She was inexperienced and it wasn't the best sex I'll ever have, but she was a trophy fuck for sure and looked great her legs spread and long hair across the pillow. I like to think I'm providing a valuable public service, helping girls like this gain more experience. She'll be a tiger in the bedroom in no time.

A largely frustrating night had a very happy ending.

[A Traveler]

A There is so much talk on these pages about 'Korean bars' with doom merchants like Napa implying that westerners stand no chance of barfining pretty girls, but it's nonsense. The waitress and mamasan couldn't have been more helpful to help me find a girl..Great reports, sir. Yeah, I had the same experience last year. Lots of pretty girls in the K bars, and the staff was always welcoming and eager to help me find a girl. Pretty girls never had a problem with going with me.

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[MoonShot]

Great reports, sir. Yeah, I had the same experience last year. Lots of pretty girls in the K bars, and the staff was always welcoming and eager to help me find a girl. Pretty girls never had a problem with going with me.
I would agree that you can find a pretty girl in the Korean bars if you go to a few bars and that they will generally go with Westerners. Now I am going to tell my experiences with these pretty girls so far on this trip and keep in mind it is a small sample size. I find that the sex with the very pretty girls tends to be very average and vanilla and there may be no blowjob or a short blowjob only. But for some guys it is enough to have sex with a very pretty girl. Now with the girls who are in the 6 or 7 range, so far, they have been good to very good in bed and more fun and friendly and more into it.

At the same time, I think the bar fines are high for taking girls who are 6 or 7's. You can find these types of girls online on the dating sites and they will generally accept 1500 to 2000 which is reasonable.

Now I know some of you may say, well, I didn't come to Angeles to have sex with above average looking girls but I like to have great sex from time to time and that is more likely with these girls. Still I mix it up so I have both. Average sex with very pretty girls and great sex with girls who are attractive enough.

[Turgid]

...... I like to think I'm providing a valuable public service, helping girls like this gain more experience.........You're such a goody two-shoes.

[Sir Lancelot]

Today was Macca's last full day in Angeles so we met at Western Fields Bar for breakfast. While we were eating, a familiar face walked past. It was the lovely girl I barfined from Viking. She very openly told us that she had just left a customer who had long-timed her. Rewind three days and she left my room at 1 am, about three hours after I barfined her. 'You not stay long-time with me' I said, holding back the tears, and she laughed.

'I have two customers each night. Short-time early, long-time late'.

I was surprised by her honesty. I don't blame girls for trying to make as much money as possible but as a result long-time is becoming rarer. When I first started visiting Angeles it was hard to get rid of the girls in morning! Nowadays medium-time is the new norm. Longer than short-time but the prettier girls will leave in the early hours, confident of another hookup before bedtime.

We had a few racks of pool. The first game was possibly the worst game of pool ever played. If you had handed two chimpanzees cues they would have performed better. I won both frames, winning the trip 8-4 and taking bragging rights until our next foreign adventure.

After another drink in Kokomoz, Macca headed back to his hotel for an afternoon meet with the girl he likes from QBar. I feel duty-bound to tell you there's a very specific and kinky reason he likes this particular girl, she looks just like his best friend's daughter!

I was at a loose end so decided to try a few of the bars.

I chose Hi Quality as I'd seen a nice girl walking in earlier. It was 2. 20 pm when I entered and there was a decent lineup of ten girls, as well as a few sexy ones sitting with customers. Head and shoulders above the rest though was the gorgeous specimen I'd seen walking in. I invited her over for a drink and she was 18 with braces on her teeth and the face of an angel. She was a delightful girl to chat with too, taking great delight in showing me pictures of her cat on her phone.

When I enquired about barfining her (a very reasonable 3500) she called a waitress over who explained that the girl had a Korean customer due to arrive soon. Oh great, Koreans are now booking girls! She gave me her Facebook details instead so we could arrange a meet another time.

Ten minutes later she suddenly hugged up to my arm tightly, like she was scared. 'My customer, I do not like him, too rough' she said as a middle-aged Korean man covered in tattoos strutted past and took a seat nearby. She genuinely looked scared. I told her she didn't need to do anything she didn't want to do but her reply was concerning.

'I have to go. No choice' she said.

I have no problem with the Korean invasion in Angeles. They've invested a lot of money and good luck to them. I also like Korean people. I went there on holiday a few years ago and enjoyed it very much, the people were great. But I'm hearing too many stories for my liking of mistreatment of girls. Girls should always have the choice who they sit with and it's a worrying development that this pretty young girl, fresh to the scene, is being forced to do things she doesn't want to do by the bar.

Viking had six girls dancing but the quality was average. That's the problem when you miss out on a great girl early in a bar crawl, you measure every girl by her standard in subsequent bars.

I decided to give up finding some afternoon action and went back to my hotel to relax for a few hours. Angeles is not blessed with a lot of things to do during the daytime to keep my brain stimulated.

I met Macca at a small Japanese restaurant on Walking Street at 6 pm. The street was as busy as I can remember. I'm starting to think I've been getting Angeles wrong all this time. 7 pm is too late to start a bar crawl, a lot of the honeys will be snapped up by then.

Macca told me that he'd been blown out by the girl he was supposed to meet this afternoon because she said she had to do her laundry! Instead they were due to meet at 9 pm at his hotel. 'At least she'll have clean clothes', I comforted him.

As I was eating my food, six Filipino girls walked in to the restaurant, one of whom flashed me a big smile. It took me a few seconds to work out that she was the cutie I bought a drink for in Sensations last night. It looked like it was her day off and she was on a night out with some of the other girls from the bar.

With Macca having a meet lined up for 9 pm, it meant he only had time to visit a few bars on what was his last night of the trip.

The first bar we chose was Viking as its always been a firm favourite of ours. The stage was as crowded with girls as we've seen on this trip, with more pretty ones too. I bought a drink for the girl I barfined three nights ago. She is a fabulous girl both in terms of looks and personality (and delivered in the bedroom too) but I was on the lookout for a new girl tonight.

Genesis was busy with lots of girls too. There are less lookers here but there's always a gem or two to be found. I saw a lovely girl in a blue miniskirt smiling to me from the sidelines but I was enjoying debriefing the trip with Macca too much for distractions. We both agreed it had been a great holiday in Philippines. Prices have gone up and some bars certainly need more girls, but overall there is still plenty of talent to be found. We'd both had a great time.

The barfine in Genesis is 4000 short-time and 5500 long-time.

I waved goodbye to Macca outside and wished him good luck with his perverted meet.

I barfined a girl in the next bar I went to, but its identity will sadly remain a secret because the girl is so distinctive it would be too easy to identify her. I used to have no problem sharing names of girls on this forum but last year an absolute fuckwit on the Pattaya page, ElMexicant, decided it was a good use of his time to try to track down the girls I'd fucked and post photos of them. He then posted a photo of 'what a real 10/10' looks like (yawn), one of his regulars apparently. After some internet sleuthing I was able to work out which bar she worked at on soi 6 and gave it a visit. And guess what, his 'regular' hadn't worked at the bar for six months and had returned to her Isaan province, never to return (probably traumatised by being fucked by a fat man in a sombrero) . Proof that ISG has more than its fair share of fakes.

The girl I barfined was 21 and extremely cute with glittery eye makeup. She was bubbly and bright, telling me she was working in the bar for a few months to pay for her second year of studying to be a doctor. It was only when we headed for the exit hand-in-hand I realised how small she was. She was only four and a half foot which gave her a childlike appearance as we walked along the street together.

It was funny, I took her to Avalon to watch the show when one of the security guards, a big black dude, walked up to me and told me 'sir, we do not allow minors in this bar' with a serious look on his face. I was just about to apologise profusely when he burst out laughing and high-fived the girl who he apparently knew, then fist-bumped me.

My heartrate had just about calmed down when the dancers took to the stage for a sexy routine to salsa music. Speaking of sexy, I saw the standout girl from the Dollhouse bikini competition sat with a customer. After nine days here I'm starting to see a lot of the same faces.

Back in my room, the girl might have been tiny but she had large soft tits and the biggest nipples I've ever sucked. To use my new favourite tagalog word, she was clearly 'malibog' (horny) as her pussy was wet and ready for action. The sex was the stuff of dreams in position after position. She loved doggy, rode me reverse cowgirl and was so tiny I lifted her in the air and carried her around the room while fucking her. She might have looked sweet and innocent, but she urged me 'harder, oh fuck yeah, harder' as I pounded home in the final straight.

A great find.

[Manny51]

Ok fellas, I recently got back from my second trip to the PI, first to AC. Thought I would give some of my first time impressions.

First of all, the legendary Walking Street is no longer called Walking Street, it's called Red Street. A desperate move to change first impressions no doubt. But keep in mind. Sometimes this works. Remember Comcast? Sometimes it just takes time.

I read this board for months. So much debate. Sometimes impolite. Is it a dump? Is it stinky? Is it a shadow of what it used to be? Are Koreans ruining the place? Are the bar owners and girls racist?

As you walk the street, you can definitely see that it used to be more. Not as flashy or busy as those old videos on Youtube. In fact, I thought the traffic was light, especially considering that February is "high season" and the coolest time of the year. Even the busiest clubs rarely had more than a dozen customers in them. The center part of the avenue is paved now. And unlike other streets in AC, there are none of those "cracks" for venting of the sewer. Its sealed. The street looked better and more cared for than the other streets that I saw going around town. Propositioning as you walked by was welcomingly tame. I guess the Korean owners have given orders to tone it down.

In terms of clubs, the ritziest is obviously Madonna by far. It's the most expensive. The top girls are 12 k! Most of the others were 8-10 k. Just to get in is a one drink minimum, with a beer costing 250 p. The girls there are definitely more "put together," but not really prettier. It's a cleaner, more elegant venue and vibe. But at a price. I thought the girls there were slightly prettier than at other bars, but not twice as pretty.

I think that just a notch down were XS Bar, Avalon, and Viking, in that order. Girls here were 5-6 k. This seemed the sweet spot to me. And to those who would complain about the bar fines, I would point out that 100 is the new price point around the world. COVID resulted in worldwide inflation. The days of 40 for bareback and 10 BJs are long gone. Unless you are retired, chances are your earnings / wages have also gone up. Punting is a hobby. Hobbies cost. Get used to it.

That being said, I will confirm reports that the owners guarantee that the girls will stay till the morning. Personally, I don't like them staying overnight. I agree with Charlie Sheen--you pay them to leave. But it does work out nicely because if they believe that they are going to stay the whole night, then everything is less rushed. I could take a good 2-3 hours drinking with her at the hotel, then not rush anything. At about 11 or 12, I gave them the option to leave if they wanted to. I sessioned twice once from Avalon and once from Viking. There was nothing special about those clubs. I just saw someone that I liked. Nothing was rushed, but when it was clear that the evening and the chitchat was over, they discreetly called it a night. I liked that. The first session was ok, the second one was great. But talking about the girls themselves would be pointless, since they rotate between the clubs on a monthly basis. My third night there, I checked out 4-5 of the "other" bars -- including Lollipop, Baccara, and Sensations, with the obligatory 150 p beer cover charge. I found nothing that I liked, even at around 7 pm. And 5 beers was enough to get me semi-plastered, so I called it an evening.

For those who would complain about the malignant effect of the "Koreans," I would beg to differ. I saw white and black guys in every bar, and they were all treated the same. The only color that matters is green. In fact, I had a long pillow talk with one of the girls, who mentioned that the girls actually often do not like the Korean men. Apparently, they are meaner and more demeaning. But they always make it rain and pay more for less. Plus, the owners are often Korean. So, I guess it's a wash.

I think that what has been interpreted as the Korean "effect" is simply that they start the evening earlier, like around 6 pm. By 7:30 pm, all the best girls have been bar fined. Americans and brits wake up right before dinner, work themselves up into a drunken frenzy, and want to the end the night well. To be fair, that's how it works in most of the punting world Brazil and Colombia included. So it can seem jarring. The most pathetic scene was a bar like Lollipop or Avalon at 11 pm. Whereas in Brazil, things are just getting started at 11 pm. But you just have to adjust your strategy. I think accusing ladies and mamasans of being racist is a little short sighted. Just start the evening earlier gents, and all be well!

In regards to other things, the food in AC was generally bad. Even the "iconic" restaurants I read about on food blogs. The only restaurant that looked good to be was a Korean BBQ place called Donesoo. It was right off of Perimeter street. I walked around. The dishes looked legit.

Would I return? Not for the sole purpose of AC. I checked it off my list. However, if you have never been, it is definitely worth checking out if you are touring the country. Clark airport is a great airport to use, and you could justify your last two days in the Phillipines at AC purely by wanting to fly back home from Clark. So when I come back in a year or two for a scuba trip, I will layover here for a day or two. But I will be more careful with what I eat. I got food poisoning twice in 9 days.

[MoonShot]

You get a few post about guy saying how the girls working in the Korean bars. Tell them that they don't like the Korean customers. Now keep a few things in mind. Bar girls tend to tell the guys what they want to hear. What do you expect a girl to tell a Westerner about Korean men? That they adore them and prefer them over you? Now imagine what the same bar girl is telling a Korean guy about Western men. Are they telling them how they prefer Western men or will they say something negative about the Western customers?

Also, keep in mind they are working in bars owned by Koreans geared to Korean men. This is a choice. If they didn't really like Korean customers, they don't have to work in a Korean bar. There are still Western owned bars.

Now bar girls telling westerners that they prefer westerners will have the intended effect, that the guy thinks that the bar girl likes him because he's a Westerner and not one of those Koreans. Guys always say bargirls are always lying and yet they keep believing them when they want to.