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Mr Enternational
02-24-25, 11:24
In terms of clubs, the ritziest is obviously Madonna by far. It's the most expensive. The top girls are 12 k! Most of the others were 8-10 k. The girls there are definitely more "put together," but not really prettier. It's a cleaner, more elegant venue and vibe. But at a price. I thought the girls there were slightly prettier than at other bars, but not twice as pretty.I did not even think that. I am not a glitz or glamour guy and I certainly do not see anything ritzy about the place or the chicks.
Although some may selectively forget, we know these are poor country girls from Samar. I see nothing that warrants giving them 12000 pesos. I am not fooled by someone throwing a fancy dress or makeup on them and putting them on a stage with lights. One thing I did notice is that a couple of chicks had on some raggedy ass shoes with their elegant atire.
If you are trying to sell off a dream at an extra-expensive price, then at least dot all the "I"s and cross all the "t"s. Even the club itself. Just a hollow black room. No money spent on making it the least bit fancy to command those drink and hooker prices. Paint the whole place black and throw in some stadium seating. I commend the owner for making it work. There is a sucker born every minute is a timeless adage.
At least they model some gentlemen clubs in Pattaya to look pimpish or cheesy, so a guy at least feels he is walking into an elegant place before he spends his $30 to fuck a hooker. $200 in Madonna is a pure scam. But I would never hate the player or the game. Each person who walks inside is in charge of their own wallet.
Mr Enternational
02-24-25, 11:51
And to those who would complain about the bar fines, I would point out that 100 is the new price point around the world. COVID resulted in worldwide inflation. The days of 40 for bareback and 10 BJs are long gone.100 is no price point. This is only bar owner and hooker tricks. What could have happened with bars is that their rents could have gone up because of the greedy landowners. But independant hookers have no other reason to be charging that much than they know guys will pay it.
Remember, before mfs were paying a trike 150 pesos to scrunch down and be inundated with nasty exhaust. Now we are paying less than that to ride in style and air conditioning with Grab. Stands to reason that a smartly dressed guy in a fancy car would have more overhead (car note, gasoline, Grab's commission) than an independent trike driver wearing flips flops. But do you see Grab drivers talking about any covid inflation?
For 16 years in Pattaya my rent has been the same $120/ month that it always has been. The water bill the same $5. The taxi ride to and from the airport is still exactly the same. Filling my 1. 5 liter bottle of water at the machine is the same 3 cents as it always has been. The only price increases I have seen are gasoline and bars. Just like day 1, I still have no shortage of chicks that come over all night for $30. Even in AC I was able to get a fresh 18 year old chick all night for 2000 pesos right there on Walking Street. $100 is only a price point for people willing to pay it. I have never been willing to pay that in any country that I frequent.
MongerHunger
02-24-25, 16:29
Here's first hand knowledge of some of my samples from around the World:
In Colombia 100 k COP or less (about $25) is normal for FS in many places.
In Mexico you can get FS for 500-1000 ($25-$50).
In Thailand 1000 Baht ($30) can easily get you FS.
In London, UK it's 30 British Pounds ($38) for FS at a Walk Up in Soho.
In Spain, FS in a casa for 50 Euros ($52).
In Athens, Greece it's only 20 Euros ($21) at the establishments all up and down Filis Street.
In Costa Rica, FS is 10 k Colones ($20) at the Pensions.
In India you can get FS for 3 k Rupees ($35) at a Spa.
In the Philippines you can get FS for 2 k PHP ($35), some bar fines 3.5 k PHP.
Why make $100 the price point when you don't have to? Secondly, you have to really travel around the World to actually know what the real price point is and not assume.
In the Philippines you can get FS for 2 k PHP ($35), some bar fines 3.5 k PHP.
Why make $100 the price point when you don't have to? Secondly, you have to really travel around the World to actually know what the real price point is and not assume.I'd agree that $20 to 30 is the norm, not $100.
You can add 365 k /$22 in Jakarta to your list.
Without being pedantic, several of us have detailed paying 1000/1500ST in the PI. Personally, 2 k was my overnight or 24 HR price.
One thing that I have seen over the last few years has been that the spread of what girls ask for has widened and widened. Previously a cheaper girl might be $20 and a more expensive girl $50. Now, the cheaper are still $20 but it's not unusual to find some girls asking $200 or $300.
Enjoy. G.
No matter where I am, onceI hear prices quoted in US $, I walk as I know the price is being jacked up. There are posts here about the price of pussy here, there and everywhere. You should give the price in the local currency and, if you must, put the US $ price in parentheses if, for not other reason than $100 is big bucks in third world shtt holes like the Philippines and chicken feed elsewhere On my last day, I gave the waitresses 100 PHP a piece. If did that in Yankee land, I would pribably get a pot of coffee thrown over me. Ditto rwgarding the lady I gave 12,000 PHP equiavlent to in forex on my last day.
This thing of grading women is silly too. If you want a draft horse, a plough horse, a light horse, a race horse, a gaited horse, a warmblood, a coldblood or a hotblood, check and pay accordingly in the local currency. Go ride them cowboyl RAWHIDE!
This is done for the convenience of the readers as girls in the Philippines do not ask for money in US dollars but in in Philippine pesos.
I would say that the $20 to $30 price range is low for attractive girls in Angeles. If you are expecting very pretty girls to accept these prices, you will be in for a surprise.
Expat American
02-25-25, 11:52
Here's first hand knowledge of some of my samples from around the World:
In Colombia 100 k COP or less (about $25) is normal for FS in many places.
In Mexico you can get FS for 500-1000 ($25-$50).
In Thailand 1000 Baht ($30) can easily get you FS.
In London, UK it's 30 British Pounds ($38) for FS at a Walk Up in Soho.
In Spain, FS in a casa for 50 Euros ($52).
In Athens, Greece it's only 20 Euros ($21) at the establishments all up and down Filis Street.
In Costa Rica, FS is 10 k Colones ($20) at the Pensions.
In India you can get FS for 3 k Rupees ($35) at a Spa.
In the Philippines you can get FS for 2 k PHP ($35), some bar fines 3.5 k PHP.
Why make $100 the price point when you don't have to? Secondly, you have to really travel around the World to actually know what the real price point is and not assume.But what you get differs wildly. Some places your $30 gets you a ten minute wham bam CBJ from an average ho and others (like AC) it used to get you all night full GFE BBFSCIP with hot girl. You can't say the price is $30 or $100 or $300 without specifying what you get for it, besides a basic fuck. Its like saying the price of a meal should always be $50 whether it be Michelin 3 * or Burger King. Thats just ridiculous.
Sir Lancelot
02-25-25, 13:44
Barfining early last night gave me my best night's sleep of the holiday.
I went to Kokomoz for breakfast and met up with fellow ISG member Moonshot. It was to good to catch up with someone with a similar outlook and share stories about our respective trips.
I walked to SM Mall to have one last coffee with Macca before his bus to the airport but there was a problem. He told me that his phone had been snatched at the top of Narciso Street by a young lad, about 15, wearing a red basketball vest. Macca gave chase in to a rough backstreet area but had to give up as the young thief was too quick. However an old lady recognised the boy and was able to tell the tourist police his name and nickname. So for an hour I sat in the back of a police van as we tried to track the boy down. The leader of the barangay also got involved, as a crowd of curious residents gathered. He knew the boy and suggested he'd try to sell it at a row of small shops some distance away. We went there in the police van but no luck. The police officer was confident the boy would return to his barangay in a few days and they'd be able to find out what he did with the phone.
After all that drama I needed a drink, so decided to visit Hi Quality to see if the beautiful 18 year old was there who I bought a drink for yesterday. The place was crowded with girls, at least 30 stood in line across the stage, including some very nice ones indeed. It seems 4. 15 pm is the time to visit this bar! I cursed myself for only discovering it on my final few days, as the lineup today was one of the best I've seen during my time in Angeles. It's important to note though that lineups can change like the wind in Angeles. At 2. 30 pm yesterday there were only eight girls in this bar and at night there are very few girls left. Your mileage may vary as they say.
My girl wasn't there so I sent her a message explaining I'd come to find her.
'I'm here na' came the instant reply.
A minute later she appeared magically in front of me and I bought her a drink. She'd been upstairs applying her makeup. It was good to see her again. She's an 18 year old student who works in the bar after each day at school. She was my idea of perfection in terms of looks. Beautiful face, long dark hair, big luscious lips, the cute and innocent type I crave. In addition she had lovely dark skin, no tattoos and a perfect slim figure with the added bonus of fuller tits. As we were chatting she showed me some videos of her on TikTok, doing little dances and cavorting in infinite pools, and I noticed she had nearly 800,000 followers!
Before 4 pm the barfine here is 3500 for short-time but after 4 pm it rises to 4000. However this girl was so special I wanted to take her for long-time, a snip at 5000 pesos.
I took her for a smoothie at a place overlooking Walking Street, when there was a funny moment. She recognized some of young people walking down the street wearing school uniform and hid her face. She told me it was because she doesn't want any of her classmates to know she works in a bar after school.
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It's nice to barfine early. We took our time drinking our smoothies and I enjoyed chatting. She showed me photos on her phone of her huge extended family and her province in Leyte. It looked beautiful, with sandy beaches and pretty waterfalls. She told me that she was returning there in April to see her family for the first time in a year. 'You come too! ' she joked.
The sex was everything you'd expect from an 18 year old fresh to the business. She must have told me 'I'm shy' ten times and offered a restricted menu. But it was a joy to fuck such a standout girl, her little squeaky groans intensifying as the session went on. She rode me to a climax, jumping off when she heard me cumming. It's a shame, I think we'd make beautiful babies.
A funny thing happened afterwards. She face-timed her mother for her daily chat and he mum spotted me in the background. 'Who is that? ' she asked. Her daughter replied that I was her boyfriend. Thus ensued a very awkward conversation as I said Hello, to my future mother-in-law, who told me I was gwapo.
'My mum ask me every day do I have boyfriend' she said afterwards.
I took her to Swiss Chalet for dinner. She ordered a Filipino chicken curry which was very tasty and included pineapple chunks. When I find myself in Angeles again, I'll certainly look to barfine during the afternoon more often. Not only are there some pretty girls and cheaper prices, it opens the door to a relaxed evening, in which you can take your girl for a smoothie and dinner.
A great girl to sign off my time in Angeles.
Here's first hand knowledge of some of my samples from around the World:
In Colombia
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In the Philippines you can get FS for 2 k PHP ($35), some bar fines 3.5 k PHP.
Why make $100 the price point when you don't have to? Secondly, you have to really travel around the World to actually know what the real price point is and not assume.I agree with your listing and your remark that the 100 $ demand is mainly accepted by the losers who either never read a forum with actual prices or assume they are too handsome that they must pay that for getting accepted by a girl to later boast at home, how good they are.
However, what is missing in your list are countries in Africa with a lot of monger activities for about 15 to 30 $ a night. And those black sqirting queens like to fuck.
A Traveler
02-25-25, 15:00
In Thailand 1000 Baht ($30) can easily get you FS.What? For a middle aged street walker maybe. For a Pattaya gigo girl it's going to be a lot more than that.
..........A great girl to sign off my time in Angeles.Your posts have shown that Angeles City mongering is not as bad as others have made it out to be.
WestCoast1
02-25-25, 16:32
But what you get differs wildly. Some places your $30 gets you a ten minute wham bam CBJ from an average ho and others (like AC) it used to get you all night full GFE BBFSCIP with hot girl. You can't say the price is $30 or $100 or $300 without specifying what you get for it, besides a basic fuck. Its like saying the price of a meal should always be $50 whether it be Michelin 3 * or Burger King. Thats just ridiculous.
100 is no price point. Respectfully, I'm with ME / EA. See below.
I would say that the $20 to $30 price range is low for attractive girls in Angeles. If you are expecting very pretty girls to accept these prices, you will be in for a surprise.Guessing that's because AC is like Cebu and Manila (and maybe Davao): A bubble. High barfine amounts raise prices for surrounding local girls in the electronic market. If the bars weren't there, then AC prices would be in the same lower price range as any other provincial area.
In Thailand 1000 Baht ($30) can easily get you FS.Not disagreeing with your great price list. You can add to that the great German FKK clubs. However its a comparison of apples and oranges. As an example, the 1000 bhat in Thailand is not for a gogo girl to spend the night. Asian gogo girls go to your place, and often spend the night and give 2 pops. Going to a German or Indo club and having a single-pop girl is a different situation. The girls don't go out drinking / dancing with you. Asian gogo girls are your GF for the evening (or time agreed to). Also some of the places you mentioned are condom-oriented.
As several of the gents said here recently, they haven't barfined for years. I am with them. While I made somewhat a career getting gogo girls to come to my place outside of normal biz hours (and for 30% the cost), at some point the barfine system itself became anathema to my style. I want a certain thing, at a certain time, done in a certain way; and barfining doesn't fit into my system (example: If I want a girl at 10 am or 1 pm in Manila, the barfine is only available at night).
That said, I still recommend barfining wholly to gents making their first trip and staying 2 weeks or less. Whether Burgos or AC (or time split between them), the point-and-shoot system of seeing nearly naked girls, and knowing up front the approximate total cost for the night, makes for great convenience (albeit costly).
Get some.
Before 4 pm the barfine here is 3500 for short-time but after 4 pm it rises to 4000. However this girl was so special I wanted to take her for long-time, a snip at 5000 pesos.....
A great girl to sign off my time in Angeles.A great series of reports. It's good to see that you enjoyed yourself.
Would you please clarify what a punter gets for a 3 pm LT?? Through to the evening so that she can return before closing time or is it through to the next morning?
Enjoy. G.
I am usre the mother has her suspicions as it is abit careless to have naked punters in the background.I don't think any girl or mother is keen to admit that she's a $20 hoe so cover stories are common. Of course, everyone knows what is going on but pride and gifts make everyone pretend that students and waitresses can earn 100 k a month.
Guessing that's because AC is like Cebu and Manila (and maybe Davao): A bubble. High barfine amounts raise prices for surrounding local girls in the electronic market. If the bars weren't there, then AC prices would be in the same lower price range as any other provincial area.
Not disagreeing with your great price list. You can add to that the great German FKK clubs. However its a comparison of apples and oranges. As an example, the 1000 bhat in Thailand is not for a gogo girl to spend the night. Asian gogo girls go to your place, and often spend the night and give 2 pops. Going to a German or Indo club and having a single-pop girl is a different situation.ID agree and emphasise that the bubbles are the exception rather than the norm. They charge high prices to cater to a very specific (discerning? Customer: someone who wants a foreigner and english speaking environment with girls available on a point and shoot basis. Let's not forget that the high prices act as an aggregator to heard lots of pretty girls in one area for our selection. For those happily to work outside those requirements, then the options and prices are much better. As you mentioned, for guys prepared to wait or build up contacts, that can even include girls with in the bubbles.
It wasn't that long ago that the bubbles had the normal prices too. I'm sure there's a Master's thesis in there somewhere about hoeflation being limited to foreigner gogos and not other areas. Many have seen prices triple or more while nearby options have seen little price changes in decades.
Mr Enternational
02-25-25, 21:33
What? For a middle aged street walker maybe. For a Pattaya gigo girl it's going to be a lot more than that.Plenty of middle aged chicks in Pattaya gogos that are going to be more. Why are you acting as if middle aged chicks are only street walkers? There are chicks of every age in every mongering scene. But you are talking about prices prescribed by the venue though. The same girl outside of the gogo is not going to cost that. All you are getting by going through a middle man (the gogo) is a higher price. You are not getting a better girl.
I had always said you could get those same chicks much cheaper when they were not in the gogo. There was another board member that would always go to gogos blowing money. Finally he saw a chick on Thai Friendly that he had previously paid 5000 baht for at the gogo. She came over for 1000. I have not seen any gogo posts from him since.
I had been buying my auto parts at the auto parts store. A buddy who is a mechanic recently told me about a site online (rockauto) to buy auto parts. He said that place is where a lot of the stores get their parts. Did I argue that the parts are better if bought from the store? No. I went online and looked at the price of something I needed to buy and the exact same part (same part number and all) was over $100 less than it was at the parts store. They even only charge a $14 core charge where the parts store charges $40. Same as these chicks. Because you go to a place where you are charged more, does not mean they are any different.
Also once fucked a chick in Kinnaree for 1000 baht during the day. She said at night she goes to work at Whats Up (which was then the most expensive gogo on Walking Street) where they charge 10,000 baht. The difference was that she had to go to the gogo early because they would professionally do their hair and makeup before work. I do not know about you, but I am not about to pay 10 times more because of a chick's hair and makeup.
Mr Enternational
02-25-25, 21:41
Would you please clarify what a punter gets for a 3 pm LT?? Through to the evening so that she can return before closing time or is it through to the next morning?I reported last time that when I went to the bars at 10 am, they said LT means that you keep them until the next day. So whether you pay your LT at 10 am or 10 pm, you still get to keep the girl until the next morning for the same amount.
Transporter
02-25-25, 21:59
Many have seen prices triple or more while nearby options have seen little price changes in decades.Local vs bubble: granted this info is 2 years old, as I haven't gone to the local bars in the past 2 years, but at the local bars, the best price I could get was 1. 2 and they wanted 1. 5 so the prices have tripled since I first started going to local bars. Bubble (I'll use AC as the example) Has gone up a little over 5 times in the same time frame. Ha. Come to think of it the best value might be in the casa since the price there has only doubled. Ha. Ha. For that matter burgos is the same? From what I am hearing you can go all in for about 10 k at burgos which is about double in the same time frame also. Might have to get up off my lazy butt and check out one of the gentlemens club to see what the prices are at currently to compare.
WestCoast1
02-26-25, 00:52
From what I am hearing you can go all in for about 10 k at burgos which is about double in the same time frame also. Might have to get up off my lazy butt and check out one of the gentlemens club to see what the prices are at currently to compare.Prices along Burgos are what you say, about p10 k all-in (approx 4 k barfine, 5 k morning tip, and 1 k in drinks) at most bars (I think someone said Oculto bar wants p12 k for the barfine amount alone; outrageous I think). However that price of p10 k hasn't changed in more than a decade. What has changed in Burgos, mildly, is the tip asking price. Prior to Covid, each girl determined her tip request, usually dependent on her looks. Fugs asked 4 or 5 k (often accepting 3 k), and hotties asked 6 or 7 k (often getting it). What seems to have changed is that the mamas seem to have set the tip request amount for all girls at 5 k. Previous to Covid the mama would tell you to chat the girl regarding her tip amount; after covid the mamas are quick to tell you what the amount is, and its usually 5 k. In fact at several of the Burgos bars recently when I asked girls for the barfine price, instead of telling me, they called over a mama to discuss the prices. Most of the Burgos bars haven't changed prices much since the barfine price went up to p3900 (around 2010 I think, someone correct if wrong).
Whereas Burgos barfine amounts pre-covid were uniform for a decade (p3900, not including tip), AC barfine prices were not. At one point Body Shop girls were p1300, and Atlantis increased rates to a multi-tiered set (p2000, p2500, and p3000 for different girls), precovid. AC barfine prices went up incrementally precovid, and bar-by-bar, since I arrived early-mid 2000's. At the same time Body Shop was p1300 for LT, the ST blow row bars wanted p400 to take a girl to your place for 4 hours (later shortened to 2 hours). The AC barfines approximately doubled after the covid return, to a mostly uniform set from p4 k to p5 k.
While I don't barfine anymore (price is not the reason), I still recommend the barfine option for inexperienced or new fellas to get laid quickly and conveniently for short trips, and who like to either take a girl out for an evening of fun, or just like to have a girl to chat up for a few hours between pops (the apple). OTOH, if you are only needing the bone-release (the orange), then many of MongerHunger's and Goffering's other locale's might be more for you.
Here's first hand knowledge of some of my samples from around the World:
In Colombia 100 k COP or less (about $25) is normal for FS in many places.
In Mexico you can get FS for 500-1000 ($25-$50).
In Thailand 1000 Baht ($30) can easily get you FS.
In London, UK it's 30 British Pounds ($38) for FS at a Walk Up in Soho.
In Spain, FS in a casa for 50 Euros ($52).
In Athens, Greece it's only 20 Euros ($21) at the establishments all up and down Filis Street.
In Costa Rica, FS is 10 k Colones ($20) at the Pensions.
In India you can get FS for 3 k Rupees ($35) at a Spa.
In the Philippines you can get FS for 2 k PHP ($35), some bar fines 3.5 k PHP.
Why make $100 the price point when you don't have to? Secondly, you have to really travel around the World to actually know what the real price point is and not assume.I have been to all these countries listed above over the years, and the girls at the locales that you are referring to would not be my first choice. I realize that some girls can be found at those lower prices if you beat the pavement, or hit all the joints looking for that "diamond in the rough," especially by guys that live there are know the area well. I am talking about what most visiting punters would encounter, visiting the most common / popular venues. Tourist punters staying somewhere for 4-5 days will likely pay a little more to have a reliable good time with a girl that he reflexively thinks is hot. Not someone with questionable beauty whom he is doing a cost / benefit analysis on.
For example, Costa Rica. Places like HDR in the old days, and Cocal today, they set the the bar in CR. Not those little pensions with 4-5 girls in cubicles with a curtain. Come on, now.
Your posts have shown that Angeles City mongering is not as bad as others have made it out to be.You may say one naysayer is all academic and the others are actual experiences. I trust the actual monger who has barfined and tasted the Pinays, good or bad experiences. Naysayer will surface again after the actual participants have left town and continue on as he have the past 9 years.
BTW, Lucifer's had about 9 slim firm bodies the other night. BF is 5000. I BF one and she ask if I could take her girlfriend too? Why not? YOLO. Nice experience double dipping without having to get out of bed to wash in between. A little girl on girl play but not PSE quality. Still it wasn't bad.
AC is what you make of it.
Come to think of it the best value might be in the casa since the price there has only doubled. Ha. Ha. Are Casas even an option nowadays? There was a time when we would see a few reports but I haven't seen any reviews for years. I wouldn't even have the faintest idea where to look.
Are they still about or are they another casualty of online and walker groups?
Enjoy. G.
OTOH, if you are only needing the bone-release (the orange), then many of MongerHunger's and Goffering's other locale's might be more for you.Westie, get with the program. It's impossible to find girls in the provinces and the few that are there are horrendous. Also let's not forget the risks to health and safety that Whitey is subject to by leaving the big smoke.
The last thing we need is bus loads of horny mongers arriving, thinking that 6 K is a bargain. 😜.
Enjoy. G.
MongerHunger
02-26-25, 05:34
What? For a middle aged street walker maybe. For a Pattaya gigo girl it's going to be a lot more than that.Guess you never heard of "Thai Friendly" before. You should try it some time.
WestCoast1
02-26-25, 05:36
Westie, get with the program. It's impossible to find girls in the provinces and the few that are there are horrendous.
The last thing we need is bus loads of horny mongers arriving, thinking that 6 K is a bargain. 😜.And "never the twain shall meet" -- Kipling, me thinks.
Sir Lancelot
02-26-25, 05:40
I checked out of my hotel mid-morning. I enjoy staying at Penthouse as it has a prime location just a two minute walk from Walking Street, a rooftop swimming pool and very friendly staff. There were a few negatives this time though. My room might have been on the 5th floor but it overlooked A Santos Street which is very noisy. Some of those trikes have engines louder than a jumbo jet. I made a mental note to book a room on a higher floor next time.
I took the bus from outside SM Mall direct to the airport, which stops at terminals 3, 2 and 1, in that order. The two hour journey (430 pesos) gave me a good chance to reflect on my ten days in Angeles.
I'd had another great trip and been with some outstanding girls. Some had delivered inexperienced performances but that's a natural bi-product of targeting the young innocent types. Most had given me great sex and bareback was almost universal.
I'd visited most bars and the best lineups I'd seen were at XS (especially the 7 pm show) and the 4 pm lineup at Hi Quality. QBar, Sensations and Bar Nana seemed to have consistently good selections. Madonna has a good lineup too, but has big barfines to match, for girls no better than those you can find in other bars. But there are lots of great bars and gems can be found in places like Carousel, Genesis, Baccara and Avalon too.
Lineups change like the wind so my advice is try lots of bars and experiment with timings. Some bars have incredible lineups at 4 pm but are virtually empty by 10 pm. As always, there's a lot of trial and error with bar-crawls and luck plays a big part. But that's half the fun and you'll always find a honey hidden away somewhere.
There are new bars opening all the time. I counted about ten new bars on Walking Street since this time last year, as well as at least three on Real Street which runs parallel. Covid looked to be a killer for the bars here but it is bouncing back nicely. Even Perimeter Road seems to be having a resurgence, with lots of shiny new bars open that are popular with expats.
There were some negatives too. Some of the bars need more girls for sure. Dollhouse for example pads time out by having too many slow dances and pole routines. I miss the days you could come into bars like this and see 30 or 40 girls crammed on stage, waiting to be picked. The Korean bars are a lot of fun with some lovely girls (most of whom are more than happy to have western customers) but a lot of the time the girls just sit around. It's lazy and a big turn off for me. The viagra sellers have multiplied exponentially and barfine prices are creeping up, but that applies to everywhere else in the world.
Long-time is much harder to come by too but that could be a result of the type of girls I target. They're young and pretty and by 1 or 2 am they get itchy feet because they know they can get another customer in one of the clubs. Medium-time seems to be most prevalent, 3-4 hours.
I fucked 14 girls in ten days and the standard was excellent. If like me you enjoy young, pretty and eager girls, this is a playground. I don't normally go looking for threesomes but somehow I managed to have three of them in my first five days. One of them, with two spectacular freelancers from Manila, will live long in the memory. The bait and switch threesome on the same day, less so. The girls speak excellent English, which makes the interview process in bars a lot of fun. This is a big advantage over Thailand.
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My advice, get yourself to Angeles and see for yourself. I've been last three years (which in itself proves something, right?) and each year it is getting better and better.
P.S. - My plan had been to continue this diary on the Pattaya page but I have decided not to. One of the main discussion points that gets recycled time after time is which is better, Thailand or Philippines. People discuss the quality of girls, the prices, the food, how readily available bareback is etc, but I hardly ever see the people mentioned. Fellow tourists and expats in Angeles are friendly and laid-back but the men that go to or live in Pattaya are awful by comparison. I'm here now and went for breakfast at a place with a laminated sign on the table reminding customers to please wear a top on out of respect for the staff. You wouldn't think guys would need to be told that, but this is Pattaya. Later that day I saw some fucking idiot drop his pants in front of a bar much to the bemusement of the girls I was sat with. So many people who visit Pattaya or live here are arrogant, loud, self-entitled arseholes, kings in their own world, so it shouldn't be any surprise that the Pattaya thread is policed by people just like that. Whenever I post a report there, it feels like I'm encroaching, treading on someone else's patch. Every post is met by a barrage of one-upmanship, criticism, ridicule or unnecessary friction by bitter people with nothing better to do with their time. Most of them seem genuinely annoyed that an outsider could be having such a good time. Maybe it doesn't chime with their own experiences. Last year one imbecile tried to track down girls I'd fucked and post pictures, before posting a photo of 'what a real 10/10 looks like'. This is the kind of playground stuff you have to endure. I've used this forum for years and it has helped me plan many trips in many countries, which is why I take so much time and effort to share my experiences, but Pattaya's thread represents the absolute worst of ISG.
WestCoast1
02-26-25, 05:52
In Thailand 1000 Baht ($30) can easily get you FS.
As an example, the 1000 bhat in Thailand is not for a gogo girl to spend the night.I forgot to ask. Any of you fellas more Thai-experienced than me. Isn't a BKK or Patts overnight barfine about 6000-6500 bhat (barfine + tip)? Doesn't that translate to about $190-ish USD, or about Phils p10 K? Wasn't it about this price pre-Covid?
MongerHunger
02-26-25, 06:10
Not those little pensions with 4-5 girls in cubicles with a curtain .The Pensions that I went to in Costa Rica were not that small but I have to admit that their rooms were small and the beds small. Quite surprisingly, those rooms were bigger than the rooms at Tantra Spa in Bogota, Colombia. The rooms at Pensions I visited had no curtains / cubicles and there was a door. I checked out talent in a few Pensions during the day and some I had to pass on until I settled on ones with some doable chicas. Found Ticas for 10 K Colones that fit the bill but you do have to do some leg work to find what you're looking for. The talent can be hit or miss but paid of in the end.
MongerHunger
02-26-25, 06:16
I forgot to ask. Any of you fellas more Thai-experienced than me. Isn't a BKK or Patts overnight barfine about 6000-6500 bhat (barfine + tip)? Doesn't that translate to about $190-ish USD, or about Phils p10 K? Wasn't it about this price pre-Covid?My example was from "Thai Friendly" talent. I'm knowing that the bars and go-go's are higher. Even at some massage parlors it's higher. Remember, a higher price doesn't necessarily equate to better service. Anyone in the game long enough has experienced this.
Angeles is not as bad as some say and it's not as good as some say. It depends on who you are and how you act.
Age and attractiveness are not the key factors. Being well groomed, polite and not cheap are the key factors.
Girls or turn off by guys who smell, or unkempt or rude. If you are this way, you will probably have less of a good time the guys who are not like this.
Also if you are a generous guy, it goes a long way in making girls want to stay with you. And being generous in Angeles is a lot cheaper than being generous in the West.
FuriousGeorge
02-26-25, 08:35
Great reports brother. Clearly astute an accurate. And you confirmed my suspicions about Thailand. I will certainly visit someday, but for now AC fits the bill for me. Might I recommend Central Park next time. Similar / better quality, right next door, and very quiet. I think you beat me in girls per day. In 28 days, I think I did 20 girls, although with some repeats, since I only took one night off. I'd have to refer to my records to be sure.
My advice, get yourself to Angeles and see for yourself. I've been last three years (which in itself proves something, right?) and each year it is getting better and better.
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Great reports brother. Clearly astute an accurate. And you confirmed my suspicions about Thailand. I will certainly visit someday, but for now AC fits the bill for me.I don't think there are many categories where AC or PI beat Pattaya or LOS. However, it's the whole package that keeps drawing most of us back over and again.
As Sir Lance and others have shown, there is definitely something for everyone.
Enjoy. G.
Sir Lancelot
02-26-25, 13:12
Would you please clarify what a punter gets for a 3 pm LT?? Through to the evening so that she can return before closing time or is it through to the next morning?I barfined the cute little chicken at about 4. 30 pm and the mamasan explained that the girl would stay with me until 5 am next morning. I suspect this was because the girl needed to be at school next morning. But I had an early bus to take to the airport and needed to pack, so didn't like the idea of her waking me up at 5 am to leave. As a result I let her leave at midnight after a second pop.
Sir Lance enjoyed many nubile young bodies, hich is what he wanted. But I wonder what he saw inside their heads. Young 18 year olds can be nice but their bodies go to seed very quickly.I always enjoy talking to these young Filipino girls. They tell me about their family, their home province, their dreams for the future. I remember going on a date with a girl back in England about my age and she was a storm-cloud of doom, droning on about breakups, work stress and even a miscarriage. That's a first date! Western women just love to moan and complain, it's what makes them happy. These young Filipino girls are full of optimism for the future and I know which I'd prefer to talk to.
What was the purpose of Sir Lance's visit, besides spearing some plucky little fish?Nothing more than that!
So many people who visit Pattaya or live here are arrogant, loud, self-entitled arseholes, kings in their own world, so it shouldn't be any surprise that the Pattaya thread is policed by people just like that.Although I stand by this, I would like to point out that not all contributors on the Pattaya thread are like this. There are some that I like and respect, who use the forum as a way to exchange information. Give me those over the deluded know-it-alls who get frothy-mouthed with rage when they read something they don't agree with.
...... Give me those over the deluded know-it-alls who get frothy-mouthed with rage when they read something they don't agree with.My ISG motto is - Never let halfwits affect your punting or your posting.
TwentyTwoTwos
02-26-25, 17:23
I want to hear some stories about how you guys with SOs manage this hobby? Do you have a open relationship? Do you have a job that requires travel if you don't live in PH? Do you take solo trips?
I want to hear some stories about how you guys with SOs manage this hobby? Do you have a open relationship? Do you have a job that requires travel if you don't live in PH? Do you take solo trips?My issue was never managing the hobby. My wife is a Filipina living in the Philippines, so I would just pad my trip with an extra day or two in Manila. It was smooth sailing. But I met a long term partner (essentially wife #2) and it got complicated then after my wife found out I had been spending a lot of time on her. My last trip was about a month ago. My cover story was a 3. 5 day camping trip with no cell connection (which is very possible where I live, and I do 3-4 times every year). Instead, I got the 10 hour direct flight to Manila and flew my partner there for two days and spent time together then. I would never do that for mongering, but for my purposes, it worked. I don't really monger there anymore because no need. My need is back at home, but I work all the time and save money for when I am in Philippines. Though an AMP is sounding nice right now. . .
I want to hear some stories about how you guys with SOs manage this hobby? Do you have a open relationship? Do you have a job that requires travel if you don't live in PH? Do you take solo trips?All of the above. After talking to mongers, it's pretty common to find that they have a picket fence life at home too.
Some have cover stories or hobbies. I once dived with a guy who literally wrote the book in nudibranches, small but very colourful caterpillar like things that live amongst coral. Every year he came to the Philippines to go to 'Slugfest'. It's a real event and apparently attended by a lot of people interested in, well, slugs. So stupid that no-one ever questioned him nor wanted to come along.
Other guys work as Asian reps and come across regularly to sell or support their widgets. Some even set up businesses or manufacturing facilities but that can be fraught with drama so tread carefully and know what you are doing. A subset of this is the expat scene where one works overseas, sometimes for decades.
Some disclose what they are doing and have agreed open relationships but more common is some form of don't ask don't tell where everyone secretly knows what is going on but it's easier to not confront the subject. Depending on one's means this might include keeping the family in a comfortable enough life that it's not worth them rocking the boat and potentially loosing it all.
Have fun but I would caution not to kid yourself that it's a secret that can be kept forever. People will put two and two together over the years and work out what is going on. Great if it's tolerated and ignored but in the West can get very messy if if it's not. The old saying 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' jumps to mind.
Obviously, the biggest question that mongers don't talk about is what happens when she starts doing the same thing? What's good for the goose.
G.
Mr Enternational
02-26-25, 23:18
I once dived with a guy who literally wrote the book in nudibranches, small but very colourful caterpillar like things that live amongst coral.At the beginning of this month in Southern Leyte I saw two of the white, yellow, and blue ones together. I had never seen that before. They are usually alone.
At the beginning of this month in Southern Leyte I saw two of the white, yellow, and blue ones together. I had never seen that before. They are usually alone.Sorry, I've never been big on macro stuff. If it's not big enough to eat me then I'm not interested.
I've seen plenty of guys get wildly excited about a bug on a wall but I'll leave that to them. 😜.
Cheers. G.
P.S. Apologies for being wildly off topic.
I've been in Angeles almost a month and I'm leaving soon. Now I have the option of staying here longer if I wanted but I'm leaving for for Thailand soon and not changing my plans.
This is my consensus to the question. Outside of the bars and the girls, and the city is a shithole with not much to do. But is all you're looking for is to drink and to have sex with young attractive women on a daily basis, Angeles city is not a bad place to be. The bars work in in aggregating the girls in one place who are willing to have sex with you for a certain price so you don't have to do much work. There are enough girls for you to have a different girl everyday if you wanted for a while. Sometimes the girl is good in bed and sometimes the girl is not so good but there will be sex. Now the problem is if you're not in the mood to drink or have sex, it can get boring after a while. Also bar area is a very small section and you will basically be doing the same thing day after day and week after week month after month. But if you're this type of guy who's just interested in having sex everyday with don't attractive women, I can see this place being a wonderful place for you.
For myself, I do have other interests so Angeles city is too limited for me in the long run. But for a visit of 1 to 3 weeks on vacation, if you're from the West and are sex starved, this is not a bad place to visit.
Expat American
02-27-25, 08:06
Sorry, I've never been big on macro stuff. If it's not big enough to eat me then I'm not interested.
I've seen plenty of guys get wildly excited about a bug on a wall but I'll leave that to them. 😜.
Cheers. G.
P.S. Apologies for being wildly off topic.That's how I have been so far. But I've done a lot of the Big Animal stuff like Maldives, Soccoro, Komodo etc (Cocos and Red Sea are on the list) and now looking for something different. I think Macro is interesting if you are a photographer. I've just bought some UW photography gear and am going to Anilao in March to try and get some good shots of Nudi's and the other Macro. Its good to have a change and also Macro is easy shore diving vs Big animal which is best done via Live Aboards. What does this have to do with mongering? Nothing but its more interesting than the usual pissing contests of what a 8 is.
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02-27-25, 12:41
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NapaSlapper
02-27-25, 14:21
Guide and some truths for any noobies planning a visit to angeles city.
There is no doubt that angeles city has become very popular with our korean friends, koreans out number westerners by multiple amounts, the koreans have bought up almost every new bar, new hotel, new restaurant, they even have their own police force and korean only girl delivery service by van service straight to their door and by far the koreans have the better lookers on their arm.
But 1st things 1st, what angeles like as a place to visit.
Angeles city in truth is basically a 3rd world shithole, why, the terrible pollution, the crazy traffic, very bad infustructure, the terrible tasteless food, totally crap internet, begging thieving street kids, pickpockets, phone snatchers and trike drivers acting agressive, the many dangers and scams that abound, there is a reason every hotel, every store even the smallest of stores have the need of heavily armed guards.
Walking street Bars.
Well this can be separated into two distinct types, the type that attracts westerners and the type that attracts koreans, the western bars tend to be very quiet for both the number of girls and punters, think most bars 3- 10 girls with some bars having absolutely no or very few customers most of the night, one or two bars are a bit more busy, mostly with long term western expats especially during happy hour or pool / darts competition nights, girl quality in the western bars is low, mostly girls 28-45 years of age, fatter, high mileage girls, I visit the very few left western bars on many occasions with western friends but many times we don't even see one girl worth buying a lady drink for let alone bar fining, local punter drinks normally 100 peso to 150 peso, lady drinks 300 peso to 350 peso, normally lady drinks are only a small juice.
Korean bars,
The korean bars tend to be by far more professionally run, are the big show bars and Korean bars are by far the most bars in number (almost all) have nice decor, good dance shows and good entertainment on stage, much better quality girls over all, although not all girls are young, slim and attractive there are though in most korean bars a few that are fairly attractive, although the top girls tend to not barfine with anyone, instead choosing to stay in the bar and earn large from lady drinks commissions, making it rain money and sitting tips, there are though still some girls that will barfine, unfortunately if one is not korean and spending large in the bar then one will be out of luck, why, they are korean only girls, westerners that want to barfine from the korean bars might only be able to choose from the girls the koreans don't want, (bottom feeder girls) punter drinks normally 120 peso to 200 peso, lady drinks,350 to 400 peso.
Pay all money before leaving bar fines, (girls share and bars share up front).
The pay all money before leaving the bar with the girl has always been the Angeles way and in many years gone past worked well because the girls and the bars back then had a totally different attitude and way of working, they were all geared to customer satisfaction 1st (refunds given by bar if not happy).
Unfortunately in todays Angeles city many girls do not leave with customers to earn their money, the few girls that will barfine are very short time 1 pop only, many girls will promise a great time back at the room in order to get the barfine money only to turn into a princess that won't blow or allow much time before she starts complaining that a punter is taking too long to cum and to hurry because she is sore.
I hear the couple of die hard voices online claiming they have no problem getting the stunners of Angeles to barfine and all girls stay long time, give countless pops, suck cock for hours and give a porn star performance, as normal I file most of these wild claims in the garbage and to fantasy, in the real world the bars and bar girls of Angeles are in business for their profits and don't care at all for the punters enjoyment, alas it is what it is comes to mind.
STREET GIRLS, FREELANCERS.
Be very careful here, many are men in dresses and many are under age, many are working with the police to set up guys in either under age or rape claim scams, you have been warned, many guys claim never had a problem but its never a problem till it is, the phills human traffic laws are strict get caught and fully expect up to 40 years in jail.
Short time, long time girls.
Its true to say that any angeles bargirl that will bar fine and is even a little bit young, slim and cute will insist on short time, why, well its simply comes down to money, why would a popular girl that does bar fine do long time for 6,000 pesos when she has multiple punters willing to pay her 6,000 pesos for short time so in fact a popular girl can do 3 or 4 short times and earn the big money as apposed to one long time at far far less money, unfortunately the better looking angeles girls will take the big money short time route every time.
The lower price bar fines in the western bars as apposed to the korean bars is to take into account the lower quality of girls found there, its that simple.
Believing angeles bargirls.
Its funny how many guys hang on every word a bargirl tells them they believe it so much that they will repeat the girls words online as truth, I can only assume these guys are just simpletons, I always say when a bargirls lips are moving she is mostly lying or bullshiting, lost count of the bargirls that have told me your cock is so big, the biggest I've seen, napa, your so young and handsome, I always come loads with you, it goes straight over my head, its all bullshit but some simpletons actually believe all the crap that comes out of the girls mouths and go on to brag about it online.
Girls giving free pussy.
Yes for angeles bar girls this is very true, angeles girls do give free pussy, unfortunately though only to their pinoy husband, lover, the cute security guard at her bar and her favourite young trike driver, not only do the girls give out free pussy to the pinoys they mainly give them their heart and hard earned money too.
Early girl Runners.
Runners is one of the most common problems in angeles, girls often will promise long time in the bar to secure the deal only to have her clothes on after the 1st pop, nothing can be done about it, no money back from the bar and complain too much and that little princess might cry rape, just let her go is the sensible option.
Blow jobs is getting more rare, especially amongst the younger lookers same for open mouth kissing and letting one go down on her, some might allow but don't expect it as normal practise, if its allowed enjoy it because it might not come around again.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Never has a truer few words been said, indeed what one guy thinks is a stunner another might think is a fat dog, there is no hard and fast rule, some guys have great taste in girls and some guys don't.
Girls then and now.
Many things were possible in angeles multiple years ago, girls were just different, many girls 20/30 years ago worked bar in the hope of finding a foreign husband to take them to the usa or europe, they were simple girls from small villages far far away.
I think you will find now the girls of angeles are all mostly hard core girls, they already have the pinoy husband, the pinoy lover and the pinoy kids, they are not looking to be saved by a westerner anymore.
What the angeles better looking girls clearly want in todays world is mostly to bait and switch, promise the world in the bar only to not barfine at all as many have reported, those girls that do barfine want short time 1 pop and out the door ready for the next punters money.
Yes sure its possible to find more desperate older fatter ladies that seldom get bar fined or bought a lady drink to stay long time and play the girlfriend role or to give one a bit more time, after all what other choice does she have, its not as if she can go back to the bar and secure another pay day so she plays the waiting game and hopes the punter gives her a big tip in the morning.
What I and many friends clearly see on every barhop we have in angeles is when I go barhop with koreans the better looking girl attention towards the koreans arrival in the bars is unreal, the girls scream in sheer delight, big big smiles and gestures to want to join the koreans for drinks.
Go to the same bars with a group of westerners and those same better looking girls don't pay any attention at all, no screaming welcomes, no big girl smiles and girls not interested in having fun with westerners, unfortunately it is what it is.
In summing up all guys have different tastes in girls, some guys are happy with any girl that has a pulse and some are not, what is true is that those that are not at all fussy are having the better time, yes some guys will tell all that will listen that they fuck only the youngest best girls but in truth not seen a westerner with a pretty young bar girl on the arm or sitting next to one in a bar for multiple years, as angeles is so small its easy to spot who is with who and ones own eyes don't lie.
If one wants to visit angeles city then maybe be ok if one is nearby or as part of a complete phills holiday which includes island hopping and some diving, other wise if mongering is the main reason to visit then maybe look at Thailand for a far better option with superior infustructure and thousands more bars and prettier girls at similar costs.
Expat American
02-27-25, 17:48
But for a visit of 1 to 3 weeks on vacation, if you're from the West and are sex starved, this is not a bad place to visit.Even in its hey day when I was much younger, one week was the maximum I could handle. My dick would be worn out from 4-6 fucks per day. There is literally NOTHING to do there besides the bars. This was always the case but the fact that you could get ST for 500 P and LT for 1200 made up for that because you could afford to fuck until your dick fell off. And the rest of the time you could have a mostly naked chick on your lap for hours for a couple of 150 P LD. Now, at 4000 P ST, 6000+ LT combined with my advancing age that only allows me 2 fucks a day, an fully dressed princesses in the bars, I can't imagine what I would do the rest of the time.
Maybe its also because I've lived in Asia the last 7 years and am no longer sex starved.
Guide and some truths for any noobies planning a visit to angeles city.
There is no doubt that angeles city has become very popular with our korean friends, koreans out number westerners by multiple amounts, the koreans have bought up almost every new bar, new hotel, new restaurant, they even have their own police force and korean only girl delivery service by van service straight to their door and by far the koreans have the better lookers on their arm.
But 1st things 1st, what angeles like as a place to visit.
Angeles city in truth is basically a 3rd world shithole, ..... SNIP.....
What the angeles better looking girls clearly want in todays world is mostly to bait and switch, promise the world in the bar only to not barfine at all as many have reported, those girls that do barfine want short time 1 pop and out the door ready for the next punters money.
Yes sure its possible to find more desperate older fatter ladies that seldom get bar fined or bought a lady drink to stay long time and play the girlfriend role or to give one a bit more time, after all what other choice does she have, its not as if she can go back to the bar and secure another pay day so she plays the waiting game and hopes the punter gives her a big tip in the morning.
What I and many friends clearly see on every barhop we have in angeles is when I go barhop with koreans the better looking girl attention towards the koreans arrival in the bars is unreal, the girls scream in sheer delight, big big smiles and gestures to want to join the koreans for drinks.
Go to the same bars with a group of westerners and those same better looking girls don't pay any attention at all, no screaming welcomes, no big girl smiles and girls not interested in having fun with westerners, unfortunately it is what it is.
If one wants to visit angeles city then maybe be ok if one is nearby or as part of a complete phills holiday which includes island hopping and some diving, other wise if mongering is the main reason to visit then maybe look at Thailand for a far better option with superior infustructure and thousands more bars and prettier girls at similar costs.Ok, whoa. I would agree with that last sentence or two. But otherwise, alot of this just sounds like some bitterness about the how the good 'ol days are gone. Yeah, the prices are higher than they used to be. But its still a great point and shoot convenience. There is always a competition for the prime targets, but its not some racist conspiracy. Just show up early (before 7 pm), brush your teeth, and run a comb through your hair and you'll be fine. Remember, most Pinay's don't speak korean. They speak ENGLISH. Flash some money and you'll be fine.
Yes, the city is run down. But if you stay at the ABC, that all disappears into the background. And spend your days at the SM Mall, which in my opinion, can stand up to the Beverly Center in LA any day.
As a recent AC noobie, I would take this "Noobie Guide" with a grain of salt. Rather, I would agree with Moonshot's tone and assessment. Nobody ever said it was better than Pattaya. But its a good time for 2-4 days.
Just be selective where you eat.
You do hear some guy saying that some of the girls in the Korean bars won't go with Westerners. But that's assuming that if you are Westerner and you go to Korean bar and you get turned down that's solely because you are a Westerner. It's just as possible that it's due to other reasons not related to being a Westerner. You are too old, unattractive, too fat, smelly, dress like a slob or all of the above. I was talking to a very attractive girl in a Korean bar and she was telling me that if you buy her a ladies drink and your hands are over her, she won't go out with you. So if you are Westerner and you do this then she turns you down, it's not because you're a Westerner, it's because of your behavior.
But most Westerners just assume it's because they are Westerners when it is in fact some other reason.
Some people mention that the girls don't speak Korean but you have to understand that the Koreans speak English. English is taught as a second language in the school system and most Koreans speak some basic English enough to be understood.
Might take on Angeles is that it's not as good as you think but is also not as bad as you think. If you were here on a short vacation and are not put off by the bar fines and well groomed and not obnoxious, you will have a good time with young attractive girls. However if you are smelly, don't pay much attention to your appearance, rude, aggressive, abrasive or really unattractive, or all of the above, it will affect your ability to get young attractive girls to go with you.
That being said, you don't see a lot of young fit guys visiting Angeles so if you are the typical overweight average looking older guy who acts in a decent manner, you will do fine and the girls will be fun and friendly with you.
I have also mentioned that there is a lower price option here in Angeles with the online girls. These girls are not stunners but they are attractive enough and they will take 1,500 to 2,000 with 2 K being the normal acceptable price based on my experience. These girls also tend to be fun and friendly and provide a solid performance. At the same time you don't have to be an Angeles to find these online girls, you can find them in any major city in the same way and the city will be nicer.
Bottom line Angeles City is still a fun place to visit and you will still be able to have sex with young pretty girls for a reasonable price. But if you're one of those guys who came here 20 years ago or even 10 years ago, it's not the same but it is what it is. Accept it or don't come here. The days of cheap fines at the bars is over.
Now I'm eating some delicious garlic chicken at the Kenny Rogers Roasters at the SM Mall now. My trip is almost over and I generally enjoyed my month's stay here. Good place to visit but not necessarily a great place to retire.
Guide and some truths for any noobies planning a visit to angeles city.
I've never been to AC, but I think there is a preponderance of posts that contradict the doom and gloom that Napa gives out. I intend to try Pattaya before Angeles, simply because I have my places in the Philippines I would go to before AC, too. But to paint it in this way flies against logic and what most posters here say.
Korean van girl delivery service. That is not what it is. I have observed those vans. These are just regular hotel transportation vans provided as a courtesy to hotel guests. At certain times, they leave from the hotel to the beginning of Walking Street. At certain times, they return and pick up hotel guests who may or may not have girls with them to return to the hotel. What these vans are not doing are picking up girls from the bars and delivering them to the hotel. If you think about it, it doesn't make any sense.
Yes, it is true that a number of the girls want to leave after you have sex with them. They will make some excuse or they will tell you upfront that they will only stay for a few hours. This tends to be the young pretty girls and not your standard 7 or less. I just accept it as part of the way Angeles does business. Go out with the girl, some barhopping, dancing at the nightclubs and eating then a good round of sex and if she wants to leave, don't worry about it. You had your fun and the bar fine is not crazy high, just a bit high.
Is there an issue with blowjobs with the young pretty girls? The answer is yes. A number of them do not like to do blowjobs and won't do it or will do an average blowjob for a few minutes and what to get to the sex. What about french kissing? It is the same. A number of young pretty girls do not want to kiss old average looking overweight guys and who can blame them? I have had a number of girls say no kissing and it is not a big deal to me as long as the sex is good. Kissing is just much more personal to these girls than having sex. It is the same with escorts in the West. So don't force girls to kiss you if it turns them off.
Are the girls unattractive and chubby in the bars? This is my observation that I have mentioned already and this is current as of today. Most of the girls in the bars are average looking or chubby or both. But if you go to a number of bars, you will always find a girl who you find to be young and attractive who will go with you. I have never had a night where I could not find a decent girl to go with me. But in any given bar, you may not find anyone to your liking.
Ok, whoa. I would agree with that last sentence or two. But otherwise, alot of this just sounds like some bitterness about the how the good 'ol days are gone. Yeah, the prices are higher than they used to be. But its still a great point and shoot convenience. There is always a competition for the prime targets, but its not some racist conspiracy. Just show up early (before 7 pm), brush your teeth, and run a comb through your hair and you'll be fine. Remember, most Pinay's don't speak korean. They speak ENGLISH. Flash some money and you'll be fine.
Yes, the city is run down. But if you stay at the ABC, that all disappears into the background. And spend your days at the SM Mall, which in my opinion, can stand up to the Beverly Center in LA any day.
As a recent AC noobie, I would take this "Noobie Guide" with a grain of salt. Rather, I would agree with Moonshot's tone and assessment. Nobody ever said it was better than Pattaya. But its a good time for 2-4 days.
Just be selective where you eat.What I don't understood, it's why PI prices are go up so high? Now, because the girls don't stay all night, a ST bacame 4 k, 5 K or more. In anywhere other third-world country, like Africa, prices are cheaper.
When I see the poverty in PI I can't understood thoose prices.
Maybe I was too lazy and get stuck in AC, maybe they are many opportunities in Manilla or provinces, but I don't see those opportunities.
FuriousGeorge
02-28-25, 10:05
I know this information perhaps doesn't apply to most of the readers here. But when I was in AC a couple of months ago, there was a six-foot-four fit blonde American white guy who I'd put at around 28 years old. He looked exactly like a young Chris Hemsworth. He was there about a week. This dude was dancing and surrounded by girls at Mega Dance nightly. I once saw him walk into Masquerades and all the girls turned and screamed and touched him as he passed by and walked past them up to the upper level. Reminded me of when this used to happen to me 8 years ago when I first arrived in AC (sadly I've aged a bit and this now happens rarely). I guarantee this dude payed not one peso for sex, and I'm sure he had plenty. My point is this. What you pay, and your experience, is based on your value and they get paid based on their value. It goes both ways. Don't act like there are hard and fast rules. Humans are the same everywhere. Nature has curated a perfect system.
So how does this information benefit you (us)? Get fit, dress well, be clean, be charismatic, engage with the girls. Your experience will be much much better.
. I guarantee this dude payed not one peso for sex, and I'm sure he had plenty. My point is this. What you pay, and your experience, is based on your value and they get paid based on their value. It goes both ways. Don't act like there are hard and fast rules. Humans are the same everywhere. Nature has curated a perfect system.er.The guy might have got some "freebies" from simple farm folk following a Pretty Woman dream (hookers love that movie and they do have remants of normal feelings). But the casino of working girls ain't running no charity. Many hookers prefer older guys? Why? More money and they don't bonk all night but finish quickly and let the hookers sleep or head off.
One major mis conception here is we have the Viva las Vegas cheapos wanting to be cut price high rollers. If you want to go to las Vegas and lose your shirt while you impress the bank, do so, If you think you are a high roller in Angeles, get your head examined.
Thai hookers are better in that regard. If you float around, you will see some shake down the uber rich, others the young crusties etc for 3 panties for 100 baht. My favourite was the guy who told his hired ho she had just spent the last of his money. Her reply was: Bye bye.
There is also a power dynamic involved here. Of course, you should be modeately well groomed, if only to show you are not going to shank her. But dresing up like you are going to a job interview or a Proms date? Ha ha.
I've never been to AC, but I think there is a preponderance of posts that contradict the doom and gloom that Napa gives out. I intend to try Pattaya before Angeles, simply because I have my places in the Philippines I would go to before AC, too. But to paint it in this way flies against logic and what most posters here say.Hi Aml,
I'd have to agree.
AC is definitely not my favorite place to visit, and as Napa points out, it's pretty much a shit-hole compared to other alternative locations _ Just my personal opinion.
But hey, loads of guys love the place and what it has to offer.
So, if you've found a place you enjoy and have a great time there, then go for it!
I've just found that over time and despite the location, if you think outside the square, you'll generally be rewarded.
_ Phil.
Korean van girl delivery service. That is not what it is. I have observed those vans. These are just regular hotel transportation vans provided as a courtesy to hotel guests. At certain times, they leave from the hotel to the beginning of Walking Street. At certain times, they return and pick up hotel guests who may or may not have girls with them to return to the hotel. What these vans are not doing are picking up girls from the bars and delivering them to the hotel. If you think about it, it doesn't make any sense.Please don't take this the wrong way. Just want to clear up some things.
As you said in a previous post, you're very new to angeles. You likely weren't there when envy was still open and all you had to do was sit in the outer section and watch the vans do their thing. This was as late as last year.
You seem to be confusing hotel vans in general with vans full of pre-booked girls. The two are very different services operated by two very different groups of people, sometimes even by the same groups of loosely connected people. What you probably don't know is the K party villas, casino packages, golf packages, dive packages, beach packages etc that is all on offer with pre-booked girls included. The vans full of girls and pre-booking services still exist (it's a system still used in Korea, I know because I lived there), they're just not as prevalent as before.
AC is a shithole and the Koreans are in charge for the most part. It doesnt mean a guy cant find pretty 18-23yo girls to creampie on a regular basis for half the price of a barfine, or the price of a barfine if the guy insists (which is ***** in my opinion, but its their money to spend as they wish). Just because a girl might be reluctant to go with you in the bar, doesnt mean she wont see you outside the bar. As stated in other posts, basic hygiene goes a long way. Dont worry about being fat or dressing up to impress 3rd world hookers, plenty of fat poorly dressed guys have creampied those girls in the past and plenty more will do so in the future. Just make sure you have your money in hand when its your turn, dont smell like an asshole and more importantly dont behave like one.
Most men I have seen in Angeles city are pretty gross. They don't look good, they don't dress well. There isn't much appealing about them. No offense intended, just stating the facts. As I get older, I slowly slip into that category as well. Thats the whole reason why we pay the girls. We pay the girls to do shit they don't want to do. If they wanted to sleep with us without us paying, we wouldn't pay them now would we? Or maybe we would but it would just be called a "gift".
Regarding the young chris helmsworth, damn some men just have it. Good for him. I'm just thankful that I can pretty much bang the same girls he does for a price, so can pretty much any guy.
Pricing. Yes of course the prices have been going up to 5 or 6 k or even more so I hear. You can blame it on the koreans. Plain and simple. You're arriving from a western country after having paid a 1500 USD ticket to get there. They're arriving after paying for a cebu pacific special 1 peso fare. They may not be richer than you in absolute terms but they have more money to spend, and to them 5 k is a deal compared to what they'd pay back home. That sounds familiar, doesn't it. And the cycle continues. At one point in time it was the Americans. Next it'll be the chinese. Go earn more money. That's the only way to win.
You do hear some guy saying that some of the girls in the Korean bars won't go with Westerners. But that's assuming that if you are Westerner and you go to Korean bar and you get turned down that's solely because you are a Westerner. It's just as possible that it's due to other reasons not related to being a Westerner. You are too old, unattractive, too fat, smelly, dress like a slob or all of the above. I was talking to a very attractive girl in a Korean bar and she was telling me that if you buy her a ladies drink and your hands are over her, she won't go out with you. So if you are Westerner and you do this then she turns you down, it's not because you're a Westerner, it's because of your behavior.
But most Westerners just assume it's because they are Westerners when it is in fact some other reason.
Some people mention that the girls don't speak Korean but you have to understand that the Koreans speak English. English is taught as a second language in the school system and most Koreans speak some basic English enough to be understood.
Might take on Angeles is that it's not as good as you think but is also not as bad as you think. If you were here on a short vacation and are not put off by the bar fines and well groomed and not obnoxious, you will have a good time with young attractive girls. However if you are smelly, don't pay much attention to your appearance, rude, aggressive, abrasive or really unattractive, or all of the above, it will affect your ability to get young attractive girls to go with you.
That being said, you don't see a lot of young fit guys visiting Angeles so if you are the typical overweight average looking older guy who acts in a decent manner, you will do fine and the girls will be fun and friendly with you.
I have also mentioned that there is a lower price option here in Angeles with the online girls. These girls are not stunners but they are attractive enough and they will take 1,500 to 2,000 with 2 K being the normal acceptable price based on my experience. These girls also tend to be fun and friendly and provide a solid performance. At the same time you don't have to be an Angeles to find these online girls, you can find them in any major city in the same way and the city will be nicer.
Bottom line Angeles City is still a fun place to visit and you will still be able to have sex with young pretty girls for a reasonable price. But if you're one of those guys who came here 20 years ago or even 10 years ago, it's not the same but it is what it is. Accept it or don't come here. The days of cheap fines at the bars is over.
Now I'm eating some delicious garlic chicken at the Kenny Rogers Roasters at the SM Mall now. My trip is almost over and I generally enjoyed my month's stay here. Good place to visit but not necessarily a great place to retire.
Expat American
02-28-25, 14:58
Korean van girl delivery service. That is not what it is. I have observed those vans. These are just regular hotel transportation vans provided as a courtesy to hotel guests. At certain times, they leave from the hotel to the beginning of Walking Street. At certain times, they return and pick up hotel guests who may or may not have girls with them to return to the hotel. What these vans are not doing are picking up girls from the bars and delivering them to the hotel. If you think about it, it doesn't make any sense.
Yes, it is true that a number of the girls want to leave after you have sex with them. They will make some excuse or they will tell you upfront that they will only stay for a few hours. This tends to be the young pretty girls and not your standard 7 or less. I just accept it as part of the way Angeles does business. Go out with the girl, some barhopping, dancing at the nightclubs and eating then a good round of sex and if she wants to leave, don't worry about it. You had your fun and the bar fine is not crazy high, just a bit high..This is a great example of why and how AC become totally worthless as a mongering destination. Some of you think this is okay and a good place to fly 24 hours to get to. No fun inside the bars. Condoms being demanded for FS. Now hearing that even BJ and DFK is too much to expect from "pretty" young girls after you pay them about a months average wage for a couple of hours of work. That is if they deem you "worthy" to take your money? Seriously guys? You will spend thousands of dollars to go to a total shit hole for this kind of service when 100 X better destinations exist a short flight away from there?
I'm not claiming to know what's going on there now first hand, I was last there in 2022 and it was already going downhill. I'm just going by facts as reported by Moonshot who apparently had a "good" time there recently. I'm glad he enjoyed but seriously guys? Your money and your dick but leaves some of us scratching our heads and thinking WTF?
Sir Lancelot
02-28-25, 14:59
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Please don't take this the wrong way. Just want to clear up some things.
As you said in a previous post, you're very new to angeles. You likely weren't there when envy was still open and all you had to do was sit in the outer section and watch the vans do their thing. This was as late as last year.
You seem to be confusing hotel vans in general with vans full of pre-booked girls. The two are very different services operated by two very different groups of people, sometimes even by the same groups of loosely connected people. What you probably don't know is the K party villas, casino packages, golf packages, dive packages, beach packages etc that is all on offer with pre-booked girls included. The vans full of girls and pre-booking services still exist (it's a system still used in Korea, I know because I lived there), they're just not as prevalent as before.
AC is a shithole and the Koreans are in charge for the most part. It doesnt mean a guy cant find pretty 18-23yo girls to creampie on a regular basis for half the price of a barfine, or the price of a barfine if the guy insists (which is ***** in my opinion, but its their money to spend as they wish). Just because a girl might be reluctant to go with you in the bar, doesnt mean she wont see you outside the bar. As stated in other posts, basic hygiene goes a long way..If there are these vans full of girls, I stand corrected. I didn't see any, I just saw the hotel vans but that doesn't mean that there aren't vans full of girls.
No, I am not very new to Angeles. I first visited Angeles in the 1990's and have been to Angeles numerous times since then. I was here before Envy was opened, here when it was open, and now here when it is gone. I am actually one of those old timers who have been Angeles back in the good old days but I whine less than others about it.
Most men I have seen in Angeles city are pretty gross. They don't look good, they don't dress well. There isn't much appealing about them. No offense intended, just stating the facts. As I get older, I slowly slip into that category as well. Thats the whole reason why we pay the girls. We pay the girls to do shit they don't want to do. If they wanted to sleep with us without us paying, we wouldn't pay them now would we? Or maybe we would but it would just be called a "gift".
Regarding the young chris helmsworth, damn some men just have it. Good for him. I'm just thankful that I can pretty much bang the same girls he does for a price, so can pretty much any guy.
Pricing. Yes of course the prices have been going up to 5 or 6 k or even more so I hear. You can blame it on the koreans. Plain and simple. You're arriving from a western country after having paid a 1500 USD ticket to get there. They're arriving after paying for a cebu pacific special 1 peso fare. They may not be richer than you in absolute terms but they have more money to spend, and to them 5 k is a deal compared to what they'd pay back home. That sounds familiar, doesn't it. And the cycle continues. At one point in time it was the Americans. Next it'll be the chinese. Go earn more money. That's the only way to win.You are correct in your assessment about the Koreans. Angeles City is a short cheap flight away from South Korea and it can be a weekend trip for Koreans. They don't make much more than Westerners but they didn't spend as much as Westerners to come here. And yes that is exactly what happened with Americans visiting close by countries Mexico, Costa Rica and Colombia. Spending money like drunken sailors because it is so much cheaper than back home. Also Koreans tend to be good businessmen and they saw an opportunity here to open bars and restaurants and hotels catering to men from South Korea and it has worked out well for them. It makes more business sense to cater to customers who are much closer to Angeles City than other visitors.
Westerners just complain and whine about the Koreans and try to insult them but that accomplishes nothing. As noted, if you want to beat them at their game, earn more money and spend more money.
Mr Enternational
02-28-25, 16:38
they get paid based on their value. Their value to whom? Every punter values different chicks differently. So what you are saying is that when you walk into a bar, you value all the girls the same? Because they are all getting paid the same, barring that arbitrary model and spotlight shit they use to weasel more money out of you.
Mr Enternational
02-28-25, 16:43
But if you're one of those guys who came here 20 years ago or even 10 years ago, it's not the same but it is what it is. Accept it or don't come here. The days of cheap fines at the bars is over.It is the same to me because I have always been a freelance guy. I have never been too keen on going through the bar middleman who half goes to. I have done it a couple of times, but never made it a habit. They have always been pretty boring to me.
WestCoast1
03-01-25, 00:43
If there are these vans full of girls, I stand corrected. I didn't see any, I just saw the hotel vans but that doesn't mean that there aren't vans full of girls.
No, I am not very new to Angeles. I first visited Angeles in the 1990's and have been to Angeles numerous times since then. I was here before Envy was opened, here when it was open, and now here when it is gone. I am actually one of those old timers who have been Angeles back in the good old days but I whine less than others about it.The vans also pick up groups of bargirls in front of or near Rob's Gastropub on Santos. I'm assuming they are heading to K-town.
It is the same to me because I have always been a freelance guy. I have never been too keen on going through the bar middleman who half goes to. I have done it a couple of times, but never made it a habit. They have always been pretty boring to me.Meeting girls on online dating sites is a viable cheaper option. Most of the girls are six or sevens in looks but they tend to be fun and friendly. Most are willing to accept 1500 to 2000 but may start higher. A number of them used to be former bar girls so sometimes you getting the same girls at the bars without the middleman.
My trip here to Angeles is coming to a close so I probably won't be posting as much very soon. I do not have an agenda. You can come to Angeles or you can go elsewhere. It really doesn't matter to me. You can spend as much money as you want. I don't care. I'm just sharing information that might be helpful to some guys.
FuriousGeorge
03-01-25, 03:50
Of course the value of a girl or a guy is relative to one's tastes and experiences. The statement still stands. And how would I walk into a bar and value all the girls the same? Some are ugly, some are hot. It supports the point. The ugly one is getting her value, which is almost nothing, based on her lack of lady drinks and barfines. In fact I bet if you took a hundred bargirls and sorted them by their monthly income (all sources) it would be just about right in order from hottest to ugliest.
Their value to whom? Every punter values different chicks differently. So what you are saying is that when you walk into a bar, you value all the girls the same? Because they are all getting paid the same, barring that arbitrary model and spotlight shit they use to weasel more money out of you.
Of course the value of a girl or a guy is relative to one's tastes and experiences. The statement still stands. And how would I walk into a bar and value all the girls the same? Some are ugly, some are hot. It supports the point. The ugly one is getting her value, which is almost nothing, based on her lack of lady drinks and barfines. In fact I bet if you took a hundred bargirls and sorted them by their monthly income (all sources) it would be just about right in order from hottest to ugliest.Bar owners told me the "ugly" ones are the grafters who keep the show on the road. If beauty is the metirc, why hire them? Sooner an ugly duckling than a prima donna who thinks she is God's gift because she is young and stupid and goes with stupid guys. The womenprovide a variety of services, only one of which is to stroke the vanity of losers.
Old And Ugly
03-01-25, 15:18
If there are these vans full of girls, I stand corrected. I didn't see any, I just saw the hotel vans but that doesn't mean that there aren't vans full of girls.
No, I am not very new to Angeles. I first visited Angeles in the 1990's and have been to Angeles numerous times since then. I was here before Envy was opened, here when it was open, and now here when it is gone. I am actually one of those old timers who have been Angeles back in the good old days but I whine less than others about it.I did see the vans loading girls on multiple occasions, not the hotel shuttles with guests, but actual vans carrying only girls. Usually they load them up before the street closure, directly from the bars, sometimes 2 van loads. They are for the upper class koreans, staying in the golf course villas, where they have a pussy buffet as part of the golfing package, away from the prying eyes and the vloggers on Fields Ave.
I was inspired by their business model, and at some point I was thinking to do the same with foreigners, I even started looking for places to rent where you can have a group of ten guests and 20 girls, on the sea side, with a pool, private chef, etc, girls being required to be naked at all time, from arrival to the moment of departure, but then I started to think about all the bribes that you have to pay to who knows who, and the legalities of it, and I put it on a back burner. Would have been nice even if I didn't make any money out of it, just to have the girls there for one day before the guests arrive to have 20 X1 orgy, also not to forget all the pre screening that would be required.
I do confess that I have a perverted mind.
WestCoast1
03-01-25, 15:27
I fucked 14 girls in ten days and the standard was excellent. If like me you enjoy young, pretty and eager girls, this is a playground. I don't normally go looking for threesomes but somehow I managed to have three of them in my first five days. One of them, with two spectacular freelancers from Manila, will live long in the memory. The bait and switch threesome on the same day, less so. The girls speak excellent English, which makes the interview process in bars a lot of fun. This is a big advantage over Thailand.
I think you beat me in girls per day. In 28 days, I think I did 20 girls, although with some repeats, since I only took one night off. I'd have to refer to my records to be sure.14 girls. 20 girls. Day-ummmm! And talk of three-somes. I heard its not true; some kinda gossip. Nothing to see here. Move along, move along.
Mr Enternational
03-01-25, 19:29
The guy might have got some "freebies" from simple farm folk following a Pretty Woman dream (hookers love that movie and they do have remants of normal feelings). But the casino of working girls ain't running no charity. Many hookers prefer older guys? Why? More money and they don't bonk all night but finish quickly and let the hookers sleep or head off.Man you hit the nail on the head with that post. When we start talking about chicks we did not have to pay, then those sentiments would mean something. Even still, I would not go as far as to say she likes older men just because she likes me. In general, I do not like chicks with tattoos. But every now and then I can stand a chick with tattoos because I like the particular person.
An employer can not brag about how much the employees love coming to work when it is a paid job. If they were doing volunteer work, then they would have an argument.
Mr Enternational
03-01-25, 19:35
Meeting girls on online dating sites is a viable cheaper option. Most of the girls are six or sevens in looks but they tend to be fun and friendly. Most are willing to accept 1500 to 2000 but may start higher. A number of them used to be former bar girls so sometimes you getting the same girls at the bars without the middleman.
And remember there have always been the discos and random chicks you see outside on Walking Street. Angeles pussy is not limited to walking into a bar, buying lady drinks, and paying a bar fine. Like you said, same girls without the middleman.
KenjiYoshioka
03-01-25, 23:11
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Bar owners told me the "ugly" ones are the grafters who keep the show on the road. If beauty is the metirc, why hire them? Sooner an ugly duckling than a prima donna who thinks she is God's gift because she is young and stupid and goes with stupid guys. The womenprovide a variety of services, only one of which is to stroke the vanity of losers.Many guys only go with Girl Nextdoor types. Maybe they are intimidated by pretty girls. Maybe they want to avoid Golden Pussy Syndrome. Who knows but it's certainly not unusual.
Enjoy. G.
MongerHunger
03-02-25, 04:15
I fucked 14 girls in ten days and the standard was excellent. If like me you enjoy young, pretty and eager girls, this is a playground.Did you pull any girls from a Korean Club?
Or has anybody else?
NapaSlapper
03-02-25, 09:48
What's been happening over the last few weeks in Angeles, well the old closed resto bar envy although not complete has a new name its hammer resto bar, can only assume it was taken over by hammer night club, what's surprising is they spent large on reno just to open it back up as the same themed resto bar that went out of business, lets see how they get on.
Lollipop bar, is a western bar, many moons ago was quite busy, not so any more, had two visits, both times very few girls and even fewer punters, maybe 7 or 8 girls, no lookers at all, mainly older, fatter girls, one drink both times and left quickly.
Geckos bar, masquerade bar, champagne bar, shooters bar, Vikings bar very much the same as lollipop bar, very low numbers of girls, bought zero lady drinks between our group in these bars as did not see any girls worth buying one for, when guys say one has to bar hop all the western bars to maybe find an average looker they are just not kidding.
On to the better Korean bars, Madonna bar, had three visits with Korean friends, every time I go to this bar its open and has girls still there, even late at night, have to say quiter than usual with fewer girls over all but still about 20-25 girls, although it was fairly busy with Korean punters on all visits, some girls cute and ok but nowhere near stunners, just average to above average on my and buddies scale, good dance shows, bought a few lady drinks (400 peso) and had a good couple of hours here, a good bar but girls are either show girls only, drinks only, the remaining girls are strictly Korean only girls.
Xs bar, again this has got to be Angeles number one bar for great shows, some pretty girls (especially the cultural dancers and black tape girls) again no stunners but by far the best Angeles has to offer, know many of the girls here already as bar hop here with Korean friends regularly, always table many girls, buy multiple lady drinks (350 peso) play lots of drinking games with the girls, always a good time had here, again the top girls are dancers only, drinks only and Korean only for barfine, again very busy with high spending Koreans making it rain and tipping the girls large.
Had a quick look in the perimeter road bars this last week, all I can say is walked into some and straight back out again, stayed for a beer in only one bar here as know the owner and bought him a beer, don't bother is my advice unless one likes 40+ plain women that need to go on a strict diet.
The weather has not been kind, plenty of heavy showers, the new road in red street has not coped well as many had predicted, large deep puddles left in the middle of the new road surface. Its a pain to get out when wet.
Its funny that guys claim to visit Angeles even claim to be seasoned visitors but do not know of the multiple Korean only girl van delivery service, many bars have invested in these vans, they are very busy catering to the Koreans with money, stopped to talk to a friend for less than 20 minutes at the mouth of red street and saw 3 vans loading girls and one van bringing girls back, not sure how guys miss this.
In summing up, visited many more bars than mentioned but western bars very quiet, Korean bars doing ok, by far the better lookers are working in the Korean bars, by far the better lookers are interested in Koreans only, did I see any girls that were very pretty with great bodies, no, are there a few ok looking girls in the Korean top bars, yes, are these girls Korean only then absolutely yes.
Old And Ugly
03-02-25, 10:10
14 girls. 20 girls. Day-ummmm! And talk of three-somes. I heard its not true; some kinda gossip. Nothing to see here. Move along, move along.Despite the fact that in your pic there is no pussy or tities shown, for me, that's the best that you ever posted, it looks very hot.
WestCoast1
03-02-25, 16:51
Despite the fact that in your pic there is no pussy or tities shown, for me, that's the best that you ever posted, it looks very hot.Thank you sir. Of the many good memories, this one stands out for that very reason. We had a moment. And one of them was 5-6 months buntis.
It is pathetically laughable others suggesting farm yard prostitutes are racist.You don't have to be sophisticated to be racist or to have racist tendencies. In fact, racism and a lack of sophistication go quite well together. All you have to do is sit and talk to the girls and get to know them, and you find out quick that racism (also colorism and nationalism) is front and center in the minds of many. I remember talking to one Filipina who ranked all the Asian people from high to low, with the Chinese girls being at the bottom of the totem pole. Why? Because, according to her, they were the most "mongoloid" in their appearance. If that isn't racism then I don't know what is! She went on to state that the best match was a Filipina girl with a white, American man. Next best match for her was a Filipina woman with a black American man, his nationality moving him up the list. Now, this was just one girl talking, but if anybody believes this kind of thinking is abnormal or rare not only in the PI but throughout all of Asia, then they're just fooling themselves! Oh, these poor little farm girls couldn't possibly be racist with their pure and unsophisticated souls LMAO! There's racism every where in the world I've ever been (that's a lot of places) because people are people, and that's what people do. That said, I think that the Philippines overall is better in this regard than most other countries I have visited, including Thailand. No, not everybody in the PI is racist. But it's laughable to assert that nobody is either, including many of those unsophisticated farm girls, many who do prefer the Koreans not only because they're spending money, but also because in their minds they're Asians higher up in the "pecking order" of Asian people. I know a Fllpina girl who turned a guy down because he was black. He saw her again on another night and she apologized. Said she was nervous or some bullshit. It happens. I think they did go on to fuck later though.
farm girlsThe hookers are semi-literates, who watch cartoons and apply face whitening screen in their down time. They do not read French philosophers. Pinay women like to have pretty babies, with no concenpt of having them educated etc. Their worlds are blinkered by their circumstances. All women have to feel they have some status or a stake in the actual world they live in, a reason to get up in the moring or, in the case of hookers, the afternoon. Our friend,. Sir Lancelot, gave a recent report where he was introduced on facetime, to her mother, as the BF of the hooker he was bonking, Dollars or, in his case, Engliash pounds, trmp racism.
On the subject of Sir Lancelot, I found his remarks oin interacting with those hookers and some deranged English women bery informative.
I see Nappslapper is back with another incisive report.
Sir Lancelot
03-03-25, 10:16
Did you pull any girls from a Korean Club?
Or has anybody else?Yes, I've barfined a catwalk model from XS, a black tape dancer from Avalon (pic below), absolute sweethearts from Hi Quality, Viking and QBar, and a 'model' from Genesis in the last year alone. In fact I genuinely couldn't tell you which bars are Korean and which aren't. I just go in to whichever bar I like. The girls are always happy to sit with me and virtually all are available for barfine.
The idea that Western men don't stand a chance in Korean bars is just a myth that Napa repeatedly tries to push, to discourage people from visiting.
I travel each years a few times to Angeles city and Pattaya.
Most times I sit in gogo bars.
I am 68 year white.
The fights (most in bad words of the other and two times a beat on the head) I ever had with other western was in Angeles gogo bars.
Never in Pattaya.
The best conversations I had in Angeles was with collored people.
The main difference I see is that Pattaya has thousands of beerbars full of lonely men.
I don't go there, but such men can be easily offended I think cause they need to pay ladydrink to get anny fun.
I a gogo bar you sit down order your drink and have already fun (not in korean bars regretfully, even at Viking dancers sit down after you start drinking).
I hope hope hope angeles wil never get so manny beerbars.
The only time I did go to Phillies and wanted to warn an old western man that he talked to ladyboys in front of Phillies that man got angry to me.
So in my view you have to talk about the type of bars the western man likes.
Jan (Netherlands).
MongerHunger
03-03-25, 19:27
Yes, I've barfined a catwalk model from XS, a black tape dancer from Avalon (pic below), absolute sweethearts from Hi Quality, Viking and QBar, and a 'model' from Genesis in the last year alone. In fact I genuinely couldn't tell you which bars are Korean and which aren't. I just go in to whichever bar I like. The girls are always happy to sit with me and virtually all are available for barfine.
The idea that Western men don't stand a chance in Korean bars is just a myth that Napa repeatedly tries to push, to discourage people from visiting.That's great bro! It's crazy that someone would convey to others that these places are racist towards Westerners and they can't bar fine at Korean establishments. That definitely is a broad generalization and it seems that there is a distain towards them along with an agenda.
KenjiYoshioka
03-03-25, 21:06
In the West rpg characters all look like rough, rugged men; even the women.
In the East rps characters all look like women with delicate features; even the men.
That being said, mostly women are still attracted to facial hair.
You do hear some guy saying that some of the girls in the Korean bars won't go with Westerners. But that's assuming that if you are Westerner and you go to Korean bar and you get turned down that's solely because you are a Westerner. It's just as possible that it's due to other reasons not related to being a Westerner. You are too old, unattractive, too fat, smelly, dress like a slob or all of the above. I was talking to a very attractive girl in a Korean bar and she was telling me that if you buy her a ladies drink and your hands are over her, she won't go out with you. So if you are Westerner and you do this then she turns you down, it's not because you're a Westerner, it's because of your behavior.
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Now I'm eating some delicious garlic chicken at the Kenny Rogers Roasters at the SM Mall now. My trip is almost over and I generally enjoyed my month's stay here. Good place to visit but not necessarily a great place to retire.Ha! I saw that Kenny Rogers Roasters in the mall too! I thought that chain closed down long ago. Back in the 1980's! I never thought I would see one again. I had a lunch there too, just for old times sake.
It's much simpler than that, they are brainwashed by all the k-pop and simplistic korean soap opera made specially for viewing it the phone vertical format, that flooded SEA in the past 10 years, therefore the koreans are the symbol of success in their minds, and all dream of having a boyfriend that look like a girl. This is happening allover SEA not only PH.This is the way old guys think, the way men used to look back in the old. Well, this is now the year 2025 and many young women have a different standard on what they are looking for. This is not only in the East but also in the West. Look at Timothee Charlamet and Harry Styles. They are not your typical stereotyped macho guys but they are very appealing to young women. This look has very little to due to masculinity but old guys still have an old fashioned way of thinking.
If you are a fan of Korea tv shows and movies, you will see the wide diversity of male actors who look very different from Kpop stars such as Mo Dong Seok, Ha Jong Woo and Kim Woo Bin. These actors are also very appealing to young women.
I am no longer in Angeles City but in Thailand so I will probably be much less active on this thread from this point on.
Have fun in Angeles City!
WestCoast1
03-04-25, 07:07
Ha! I saw that Kenny Rogers Roasters in the mall too! I thought that chain closed down long ago. Back in the 1980's! I never thought I would see one again. I had a lunch there too, just for old times sake.The is a Kenney Roger's Roasters on Makati Ave just a few meters off Burgos St. Been there since at least a decade. Also several more in Makati. They be a-happenin' place. Try the Hungarian Sausage.
So true and not just Koreans. Thai dramas are the same. Half the characters are gay and all the men look so feminine, not a strand of face or body hair and they wear make up too. Its the new standard of male beauty in all of Asia. Come along hairy foreigners that actually look like men and the girls are like, nah, no thanks. Sad but true.A lot of (male) east Asiians don't have fatual hair but a lot do. Don't mistake them for pussies. Many of the Koreans are ex military as conscription is compulsory. Also, many of them are petty and not so petty criminals and bad boys have their attractions for bad girls.
Also, Koreans have a well earned reputation for being tough eggs. They were the only group the Vietcong were actually afraid of because they don't FK around. Also, one can remember their Neighbour Watch system in the LA radio. Walkie talkies, Glocks and sub machine guns.
There are plenty of petty Korean criminals hired in Angeles and, as they run the pachinko rackets in Japan, I am sure there is lots of traffic there.
Hi Guys,
So today I've just done the grand slam of mongering spots and have come to the conclusion, that whatever takes your fancy, so be it.
Okay, Angeles isn't my preferred option and never really has been for reasons previously posted. But what's to stop other people liking and enjoying it for what it is?
Angeles, Burgos, Sabang and Subic will always have their pros and cons.
You only have to take the recent, really informative reports from Lance to suggest that some guys really get a kick out of the place. Others don't, so you just move on to better pastures.
As for the Koreans, it's called change. They cleverly tapped a market that had been neglected by Westerners and have done it very successfully. Whether it's legit with local authorities, I very much doubt. But it is what it is.
I'm now sitting the Subic Freeport Zone where 20 plus years ago on my first visit to The Phils, you only had to walk out the door to get laid.
Times change.
Yes, I'm a Cheap Charlie, primarily because I'd like to think the money goes directly to the girls providing the service and I reward them appropriately for services provided. And they're not being exploited by some dodgy bar owners.
Put simply, this is a great informative community where others can offer and give advice on their experiences.
It's just starting to get a bit confrontational of late, which is a shame.
Just enjoy the Filipina.
And just my opinion _ Phil.
Hello guys!
So, here is my report from my two visits this week to AC.
Please notice that it was my first time in AC.
First visit:
As a shy guy, I wasn't comfortable to go on a go-go bar directly, so I started to hit the street going down on fields avenue. Of course, I was approached by several ladies but they weren't my type (cute faces but too slim / skinny).
At some point, I met someone whom I can refer as a " contractor wing-woman" because she offers me to find some fine company.
Indeed, it was fine looking young women but I wanted something really specific (brown, short, curvy or chubby) so I had to decline several options. I al also declined when I found the girl a little bit reluctant to join my room (I usually go for the GFE + bareback combo) and one girl wasn't ok to go with me.
Finally, and when my partner was considering giving up on me, we found a cute girl next door type talent, early 20's with some curves and for 3 K + 500 for the middle-woman I was set up for a ride. This one was nice, but we both weren't comfortable so ST was really short and she left me after FS and a little talk in my room.
Second visit:
This time I was more confident and felt ready for the bar. Starting with " Doll House " , I was disappointed by the overall look of the performers and their lack of ability to pole dance (I attended strip club in Prague and the dancing level was night and day different).
Then, I went to Xs where the show was of better quality, with a lot of actual lookers on the scene. I didn't have to wait a long time before mamasan bring me a 6-7 with curves for 5 k barfine. There was also blactape girl for 6 k.
I had to phone call a friend, so I quitted the bar for 1 hour. I shouldn't have do that.
Back in the club, the mamasan said that now I have to choose quick because the bar is closing. But every beauty I wished to pick up came with a good excuse to refuse: " too big the* " too late ", " don't like " (for the record, I'm a nearly 6 ft tall late 20's male, not fat, not bald, well groomed except for my rebel curly hair). She even talked about giving 100 k for a supposedly " cherry girl " - whom she didn't seem to be aware of her virginity before I ask her to pick this girl for me.
At closure time, these girls remained without customers. Or did they?
Koreans customers this night leaved the venue with some good looking chicks, but the Xs' top beauties didn't follow them.
So yeah, I don't remember who, but someone here who says top ladies only make money with LD is probably right.
In my case, I wasn't interested by the 3 more chicks the mamasan bring me (not my body type or doesn't want bareback), so I left the bar and headed on " Shooters ".
" Shooters " was like " Doll house " in matter of girl " good-lookingness ". But I was attracted inside by the " front-woman" (the one who is outside the bar, distributing "handsome " to every man like one distribute seeds to birds) with her cute smile.
After sadly looking for a target during 1 hour, I finally found the " front-woman" really appealing and so I made her my target. She was mid-30's, slim but with a pretty face and a killer smile.
She was reluctant to go without condom first, but I finally convinced her to go at my hotel for 5 k (no barfine, she went directly to my place) and she spent a few hours with me after a good FS (she wasn't shy like the previous girl). She made me test some philipino food she cooked.
Next morning, I tipped her 2 k, maybe it was too much (no violence please, I'm a newbie).
To conclure this report, I can say this first time in AC ended well for me. But, as a guy facing low self-esteem issue, being rejected by go-go girls when you are an average but young guy is something that shake my ego a little. I may understand this is a strategy of earning with tips + LD and they may rarely follow a customer to his room unless he pay a huge amount of money. Still, I felt like a sh*t when leaving " Xs".
Maybe I was also too picky and should I have accepted the first girl in Xs.
Also, what are all these girls wandering on walking street but refusing many of foreigners proposal? Are they waiting for someone specific?
If you made it so far, thanks.
P.S: sorry for my bad English.
PS2: I don't like to play this card, but is it possible I've been rejected cause I don't look conventionally white?
To conclure this report, I can say this first time in AC ended well for me. But, as a guy facing low self-esteem issue, being rejected by go-go girls when you are an average but young guy is something that shake my ego a little. I may understand this is a strategy of earning with tips + LD and they may rarely follow a customer to his room unless he pay a huge amount of money. Still, I felt like a sh*t when leaving " Xs".
Maybe I was also too picky and should I have accepted the first girl in Xs.
Also, what are all these girls wandering on walking street but refusing many of foreigners proposal? Are they waiting for someone specific?
If you made it so far, thanks.
P.S: sorry for my bad English.
PS2: I don't like to play this card, but is it possible I've been rejected cause I don't look conventionally white?Don't take the rejection personally. More and more girls are now making enough money off drinks and tips that they don't even have to barfine. It's unfortunate but it's getting more and more common.
Girls walking the streets could be anything. They aren't all hookers available immediately upon meeting them. They might be freelancers, girls returning to the bar from an earlier client, promo girls trying to draw guys in to bars, massage girls, beggars or simply civilians using walking street as a safe and well lit shortcut to get where they want to go.
Your English is fine. It's always good to hear reports from different points of view.
If you have brown skin that may have been a minor obstacle. Being reserved and not knowing what you were doing it's more likely that you came across as someone who wasn't going to spend a lot of money.
Cheers. G.
KenjiYoshioka
03-08-25, 07:05
Hello guys!
So, here is my report from my two visits this week to AC.
Please notice that it was my first time in AC.
First visit:
As a shy guy, I wasn't comfortable to go on a go-go bar directly, so I started to hit the street going down on fields avenue. Of course, I was approached by several ladies but they weren't my type (cute faces but too slim / skinny).
At some point, I met someone whom I can refer as a " contractor wing-woman" because she offers me to find some fine company.
Indeed, it was fine looking young women but I wanted something really specific (brown, short, curvy or chubby) so I had to decline several options. I al also declined when I found the girl a little bit reluctant to join my room (I usually go for the GFE + bareback combo) and one girl wasn't ok to go with me.
Finally, and when my partner was considering giving up on me, we found a cute girl next door type talent, early 20's with some curves and for 3 K + 500 for the middle-woman I was set up for a ride. This one was nice, but we both weren't comfortable so ST was really short and she left me after FS and a little talk in my room.
Second visit:
This time I was more confident and felt ready for the bar. Starting with " Doll House " , I was disappointed by the overall look of the performers and their lack of ability to pole dance (I attended strip club in Prague and the dancing level was night and day different).
Then, I went to Xs where the show was of better quality, with a lot of actual lookers on the scene. I didn't have to wait a long time before mamasan bring me a 6-7 with curves for 5 k barfine. There was also blactape girl for 6 k.
I had to phone call a friend, so I quitted the bar for 1 hour. I shouldn't have do that.
Back in the club, the mamasan said that now I have to choose quick because the bar is closing. But every beauty I wished to pick up came with a good excuse to refuse: " too big the* " too late ", " don't like " (for the record, I'm a nearly 6 ft tall late 20's male, not fat, not bald, well groomed except for my rebel curly hair). She even talked about giving 100 k for a supposedly " cherry girl " - whom she didn't seem to be aware of her virginity before I ask her to pick this girl for me.
At closure time, these girls remained without customers. Or did they?
Koreans customers this night leaved the venue with some good looking chicks, but the Xs' top beauties didn't follow them.
So yeah, I don't remember who, but someone here who says top ladies only make money with LD is probably right.
In my case, I wasn't interested by the 3 more chicks the mamasan bring me (not my body type or doesn't want bareback), so I left the bar and headed on " Shooters ".
" Shooters " was like " Doll house " in matter of girl " good-lookingness ". But I was attracted inside by the " front-woman" (the one who is outside the bar, distributing "handsome " to every man like one distribute seeds to birds) with her cute smile.
After sadly looking for a target during 1 hour, I finally found the " front-woman" really appealing and so I made her my target. She was mid-30's, slim but with a pretty face and a killer smile.
She was reluctant to go without condom first, but I finally convinced her to go at my hotel for 5 k (no barfine, she went directly to my place) and she spent a few hours with me after a good FS (she wasn't shy like the previous girl). She made me test some philipino food she cooked.
Next morning, I tipped her 2 k, maybe it was too much (no violence please, I'm a newbie).
To conclure this report, I can say this first time in AC ended well for me. But, as a guy facing low self-esteem issue, being rejected by go-go girls when you are an average but young guy is something that shake my ego a little. I may understand this is a strategy of earning with tips + LD and they may rarely follow a customer to his room unless he pay a huge amount of money. Still, I felt like a sh*t when leaving " Xs".
Maybe I was also too picky and should I have accepted the first girl in Xs.
Also, what are all these girls wandering on walking street but refusing many of foreigners proposal? Are they waiting for someone specific?
If you made it so far, thanks.
P.S: sorry for my bad English.
PS2: I don't like to play this card, but is it possible I've been rejected cause I don't look conventionally white?This is just my opinion, so take it how you will.
I remember being in a similar position to you, once upon a time. The truth is that if you want to play this game, you can't let rejection slow you down. Everybody gets rejected. Even the most handsome, intelligent, charismatic, and rich get rejected. It may very well be that a girl has had only one experience with a foreigner, and it was a bad one. It could be that she's only heard stories. It could be that she has some stupid idea of how some rich old man is going to sweep her off her feet. Whatever the truth is, you will never know. She's not going to tell you. And the longer you dwell on it, the longer you are going to be kept from finding someone else and being happy.
The above advice is true if you're looking for love, dates, casual sex, or to procure the services of a lovely young lady for a price.
And don't get me started on bitches playing games. In a place like the Phils, girls will rob you blind and steal your organs. . . If you let them. They are snakes, and you are a mongoose. Keep your wits about you, and stay one step ahead of them. That's the game.
Old And Ugly
03-09-25, 04:13
I'm in Cambodia right now, and the same is true here: westerners passing by the bars don't get any reaction from the little zombies glued to the phones, but as soon as a Korean passes by, is like fans at a sports game doing the "wave" thing: bar after bar where they are passing by are welcoming them with loud yells and hand motions, I bet that if I'm filming it, then speed it up it will look just like that.
Fun to watch.
Prices here are way lower than PH at the first glance, 90% of BG are 8-10's, but you'll end up paying the same or more than in PH and getting a rushed shitty service despite the good looks, and nobody speaks English or understands any attempt of communicating thru signs or translator apps, I'm suspecting most of them are illiterate in their own language. I'm going to write a more detailed report in the Phnom Phen thread, because that's dead, and needs some new info.
..but you'll end up paying the same or more than in PH and getting a rushed shitty service despite the good looks, and nobody speaks english or understands any attempt of communicating thru signs or translator apps, I'm suspecting most of them are illiterate in their own language.They may not even be Cambodian. Khmer, Lao, Thai and occasionally Viet girls seem to float between the countries without too many issues.
It's very very rare to see a girl in a Philippines bar who isn't Pinay. I don't think I've even come across any foreign girls freelancing or online either?
Enjoy. G.
Old And Ugly
03-09-25, 17:21
They may not even be Cambodian. Khmer, Lao, Thai and occasionally Viet girls seem to float between the countries without too many issues.
It's very very rare to see a girl in a Philippines bar who isn't Pinay. I don't think I've even come across any foreign girls freelancing or online either?
Enjoy. G.I don't know what they are, possible they are from the neighboring countries, but compared to PH is a very poor service, almost a ripoff, even if they look better.
Also the massage parlors are a trap, where they go thru your pockets, and replace whatever you have with fake money, a very elaborate scam, like I saw once in an old movie.
And don't get me started on bitches playing games. In a place like the Phils, girls will rob you blind and steal your organs. . . If you let them. They are snakes, and you are a mongoose. Keep your wits about you, and stay one step ahead of them. That's the game.Awesome summation Kenji.
Ultimately it is a game and the wins can be very enjoyable indeed! Some of the losses are hard to take, but you just move on to the next round.
_Phil.
This is just my opinion, so take it how you will.
I remember being in a similar position to you, once upon a time. The truth is that if you want to play this game, you can't let rejection slow you down. Everybody gets rejected. Even the most handsome, intelligent, charismatic, and rich get rejected. It may very well be that a girl has had only one experience with a foreigner, and it was a bad one. It could be that she's only heard stories. It could be that she has some stupid idea of how some rich old man is going to sweep her off her feet. Whatever the truth is, you will never know. She's not going to tell you. And the longer you dwell on it, the longer you are going to be kept from finding someone else and being happy.
The above advice is true if you're looking for love, dates, casual sex, or to procure the services of a lovely young lady for a price.
And don't get me started on bitches playing games. In a place like the Phils, girls will rob you blind and steal your organs. . . If you let them. They are snakes, and you are a mongoose. Keep your wits about you, and stay one step ahead of them. That's the game.
Don't take the rejection personally. More and more girls are now making enough money off drinks and tips that they don't even have to barfine. It's unfortunate but it's getting more and more common.
Girls walking the streets could be anything. They aren't all hookers available immediately upon meeting them. They might be freelancers, girls returning to the bar from an earlier client, promo girls trying to draw guys in to bars, massage girls, beggars or simply civilians using walking street as a safe and well lit shortcut to get where they want to go.
Your English is fine. It's always good to hear reports from different points of view.
If you have brown skin that may have been a minor obstacle. Being reserved and not knowing what you were doing it's more likely that you came across as someone who wasn't going to spend a lot of money.
Cheers. G.Thank you for your wisdom guys.
You are right, there are several reasons to explain why they rejected me other than being unattractive, so I should not focus on it.
About Koreans, I asked the " Shooters " girl about them. She said girl love them because of the " 3-3-3 " : at least 3 lady drink, 3 hours short time and 3 min of FS. No Wonder if they are all waving them as soon as they spot one in a street corner.
Thank you for your wisdom guys.
You are right, there are several reasons to explain why they rejected me other than being unattractive, so I should not focus on it.
About Koreans, I asked the " Shooters " girl about them. She said girl love them because of the " 3-3-3 " : at least 3 lady drink, 3 hours short time and 3 min of FS. No Wonder if they are all waving them as soon as they spot one in a street corner.I'm a 3-3-3 man myself. Three minutes small talk, three hours minimum and three rounds.
Thank you for your wisdom guys.
You are right, there are several reasons to explain why they rejected me other than being unattractive, so I should not focus on it.
About Koreans, I asked the " Shooters " girl about them. She said girl love them because of the " 3-3-3 " : at least 3 lady drink, 3 hours short time and 3 min of FS. No Wonder if they are all waving them as soon as they spot one in a street corner.It is a bit silly to think that all Koreans have the same performance in bed. It's like saying that all Americans act the same in bed. Is that really realistic? But if it feels better, you can believe it. And of course because a bargirl told you, it must be true!
Expat American
03-10-25, 18:03
A lot of (male) east Asiians don't have fatual hair but a lot do. Don't mistake them for pussies. Many of the Koreans are ex military as conscription is compulsory. Also, many of them are petty and not so petty criminals and bad boys have their attractions for bad girls.
Also, Koreans have a well earned reputation for being tough eggs. They were the only group the Vietcong were actually afraid of because they don't FK around. Also, one can remember their Neighbour Watch system in the LA radio. Walkie talkies, Glocks and sub machine guns.
There are plenty of petty Korean criminals hired in Angeles and, as they run the pachinko rackets in Japan, I am sure there is lots of traffic there.I really wasn't trying to be racist. I find it amusing more than anything that girls today are no longer attracted to traditional masculine looks.
It is a bit silly to think that all Koreans have the same performance in bed. It's like saying that all Americans act the same in bed. Is that really realistic? But if it feels better, you can believe it. And of course because a bargirl told you, it must be true!Of course they all have the same genetic 3-3-3! Or it makes one feel better about their 3. 5 minute performance. I used to perform over 3. 5 minutes myself but lately and shamefully I am more interested in my O than her's.
Mr Enternational
03-10-25, 23:55
It is a bit silly to think that all Koreans have the same performance in bed. It's like saying that all Americans act the same in bed. Is that really realistic? But if it feels better, you can believe it. And of course because a bargirl told you, it must be true!LOL. You say Koreans have the same access to the viagra dudes on Fields as they do?
LOL. You say Koreans have the same access to the viagra dudes on Fields as they do?They have better access and better prices from the group of sellers owned by the Angeles Business man of the decade. Special Non Stop Kiagra brand for Koreans.
It is a bit silly to think that all Koreans have the same performance in bed. It's like saying that all Americans act the same in bed. Is that really realistic? But if it feels better, you can believe it. And of course because a bargirl told you, it must be true!I thought the 3-3-3 thing funny, that's why I mentionned it. I was trying to make some irony with my last sentence.
But maybe the bargirl was at least right for the first part (not the 3 min FS). I mean, is it possible that Koreans are more generous and ask less time / service to the girl their barfine than their westerners counterpart?
The reason to them to success may be a cultural behavior, some attitude westerners lack of.
WestCoast1
03-12-25, 08:55
I thought the 3-3-3 thing funny, SNIP
But maybe the bargirl was at least right for the first part (not the 3 min FS). I mean, is it possible that Koreans are more generous and ask less time / service to the girl their barfine than their westerners counterpart?Yes. We used to consider the 3-3-3 Korean joke to be: 3 inches, 3 minutes, and 3 k pesos (back when most barfines were about p1500-2000), which made the girls wildly happy.
Yes. We used to consider the 3-3-3 Korean joke to be: 3 inches, 3 minutes, and 3 k pesos (back when most barfines were about p1500-2000), which made the girls wildly happy.Yes, it has been around for a long time but now with the barfines in the 5 k to 6 k range, 335 or 336 doesn't really work out. My big point is don't worry about the Koreans, worry about yourself. Just try to have the best time that you can have and don't worry about what other people pay. No need to try to put other races down to elevate yourself.
Old And Ugly
03-12-25, 16:20
Yes, it has been around for a long time but now with the barfines in the 5 k to 6 k range, 335 or 336 doesn't really work out. My big point is don't worry about the Koreans, worry about yourself. Just try to have the best time that you can have and don't worry about what other people pay. No need to try to put other races down to elevate yourself.Correct! But We're not talking about any races, only about a particular nationality, that fucks things up (for us) wherever they go.
Correct! But We're not talking about any races, only about a particular nationality, that fucks things up (for us) wherever they go.If I was an A hole, I'd point out that it's pretty hypocritical for white guys to complain about cashed up foreigners entering the market to swoop up all the young and gorgeous, jacking up prices as they go.
If I was an absolute A hole, I'd point out that we aren't exactly fighting with he Kbois over the cream of the crop. More likely destitute and illiterate single mom's and peasant girls who pinoys wouldn't touch with a six foot stick. Girls that literally have to pay trike drivers to be their boyfriends.
Luckily I'm not a A hole, though some may disagree 😜 so I'll just point out that many are surviving the K invasion very nicely, whether it's splashing the cash in AC or risking life and limb in the provinces.
Enjoy. G.
Old And Ugly
03-14-25, 05:01
If I was an A hole, I'd point out that it's pretty hypocritical for white guys to complain about cashed up foreigners entering the market to swoop up all the young and gorgeous, jacking up prices as they go.
If I was an absolute A hole, I'd point out that we aren't exactly fighting with he Kbois over the cream of the crop. More likely destitute and illiterate single mom's and peasant girls who pinoys wouldn't touch with a six foot stick. Girls that literally have to pay trike drivers to be their boyfriends.
Luckily I'm not a A hole, though some may disagree 😜 so I'll just point out that many are surviving the K invasion very nicely, whether it's splashing the cash in AC or risking life and limb in the provinces.
Enjoy. G.I never complained about the prices, it is what it is, not under our direct control, of course I like to pay less, I'm not a crazy or a millionaire, just an old pervert, but $20 more or less doesn't make a difference to me unless I feel like getting scammed on something, and then is not about the money anymore.
What I don't like is the transformation of places from something beautiful and true to its nature: bars filled with almost naked "destitute and illiterate single mom's and peasant girls" into places where they are presented as something else, evening dressed Hollywood gala stars. Yes I know what they are, and that's the same in US, or EU also, beside some rare instances of needy students, paying the way thru college.
So if your post is in reply to my comments, you got me all wrong, I'm saying exactly the same thing as you do, I just don't like the new acquiring system put in place by our Korean friends for the same old goods. Probably it is so to keep the incoming hoards familiar with what they see at home, but cannot afford it there.
As a side note: I'm in Sihanoukville right now, and after I see what the chinese have done to this place, the koreans transformations in PH seem irrelevant, it can be much, much, much worse. Can't wait to get back "home" to AC.
If I was an A hole, I'd point out that it's pretty hypocritical for white guys to complain about cashed up foreigners entering the market to swoop up all the young and gorgeous, jacking up prices as they go.
If I was an absolute A hole, I'd point out that we aren't exactly fighting with he Kbois over the cream of the crop. More likely destitute and illiterate single mom's and peasant girls who pinoys wouldn't touch with a six foot stick. Girls that literally have to pay trike drivers to be their boyfriends.
Luckily I'm not a A hole, though some may disagree 😜 so I'll just point out that many are surviving the K invasion very nicely, whether it's splashing the cash in AC or risking life and limb in the provinces.
Enjoy. G.Yes, it is true throughout Latin America, you hear old timers complaining about Western guys coming over and jacking up the prices of the local girls. Check out the threads on Costa Rica, Colombia, Mexico and the list goes on. Like the Koreans coming to Angeles City, cities in Latin America are much closer to American cities. Cities in Mexico are 2 hours away from cities in Texas. Costa Rica is only 2-3 hours from cities in Florida. And yet, here we are in Angeles City which is very close to South Korea and Westerners are whining and complaining about these Koreans coming over and jacking the prices just like we have done throughout Latin America. Yes, as noted, it is very hypocritical to think that the Koreans are doing something that is very different from what Americans have been doing for years.
So if your post is in reply to my comments, you got me all wrong, I'm saying exactly the same thing as you do, I just don't like the new acquiring system put in place by our korean friends for the same old goods. Probably it is so to keep the incoming hoards familiar with what they see at home, but cannot afford it there.
As a side note: I'm in Sihanoukville right now, and after I see what the chinese have done to this place, the koreans transformations in PH seem irrelevant, it can be much, much, much worse. Can't wait to get back "home" to AC.Don't take my post too personally. It was tongue in cheek and I complain about the loss of the good old days as much as anyone.
I'd definitely agree that we are fortunate that it has been the Koreans and not the Chinese. Maybe 20 years ago it was looking like the Chinese were taking over several of the foreigner areas. I don't think they did much in AC but they were moving in on one of my favourites, Sabang. Rather than Koreans showing a preference for their own, the Chinese were operating a total lockout model where everything was kept inhouse through tours prepaid back home and the use of affiliated restaurants, hotels bars etc. It wasn't Whitie complaining about all the good girls being taken, he didn't even get to see them in the first place and he wasn't even allowed in.
Enjoy Snooky and don't get trafficked into a online scam den. 😜.
Cheers. G.
Mr Enternational
03-14-25, 11:08
What I don't like is the transformation of places from something beautiful and true to its nature: bars filled with almost naked "destitute and illiterate single mom's and peasant girls" into places where they are presented as something else, evening dressed hollywood gala stars. I just don't like the new acquiring system put in place by our korean friends for the same old goods. As consumers, guys like us are in our right minds. But it makes perfect sense from a business standpoint. Who would not buy lipstick to put on the pig if they realized people would pay more?
Old And Ugly
03-14-25, 16:51
Don't take my post too personally. It was tongue in cheek and I complain about the loss of the good old days as much as anyone.
I'd definitely agree that we are fortunate that it has been the Koreans and not the Chinese. Maybe 20 years ago it was looking like the Chinese were taking over several of the foreigner areas. I don't think they did much in AC but they were moving in on one of my favourites, Sabang. Rather than Koreans showing a preference for their own, the Chinese were operating a total lockout model where everything was kept inhouse through tours prepaid back home and the use of affiliated restaurants, hotels bars etc. It wasn't Whitie complaining about all the good girls being taken, he didn't even get to see them in the first place and he wasn't even allowed in.
Enjoy Snooky and don't get trafficked into a online scam den. 😜.
Cheers. G.I'm in Kep now, this is completely dead, Shianouk is alive and well, but for chinese only. I will write a report on it and post the link here too if somebody wants to know how a Chinese take over looks like.
I am at lost why westerners think they have exclusive rights to Angeles? Also can dictate price control? Can someone please explain that?
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The US saved Philippines from Japan. We taught them English instead of their native gibberish. Clark Air Base was a US base for many years and many military veterans have retired in the area. Thats why.Pinas have an attention span of about three and a half seconds, not 70 years. Anyway, didn't their grandmas spread their legs to pay the vig on that debt? That was the whole reason AC came into being.
Enjoy. G.
Mr Enternational
03-15-25, 11:47
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Mr Enternational
03-15-25, 12:02
After traveling much of the world, I have definitely learned that we are very fortunate to be citizens of either the USA or the modern wealthy westernized world. We travel to other countries to take advantage of the differences in the cultural attitudes to sex. But I think it is incumbent upon us to demonstrate a little but of understanding, restraint, and even a little of bit of compassion. Although these ladies aren't being physically forced into this work, I am sure its not how they saw their life turning out. We have some spare cash and are seeking some intimacy and physical gratification. Because of their circumstances, they are willing to provide it. For a price.You speak as if there are no hookers in the USA. The USA is full of hookers and always has been. It is just that they changed the law making it illegal to pay them. It has nothing to do with any cultural attitudes toward sex.
Remember the owner of this site also owns a site called USAsexguide that has just as many or maybe even more posts than this site. The hookers in the USA were just as fortunate as you to be born there, so what is their excuse?
The US saved Philippines from Japan. We taught them English instead of their native gibberish. Clark Air Base was a US base for many years and many military veterans have retired in the area. Thats why.In a nutshell why many mongers are bottom feeders. No langusge is gibberish but not bottom feeders would not know that or anything else either.
You speak as if there are no hookers in the USA. The USA is full of hookers and always has been. It is just that they changed the law making it illegal to pay them. It has nothing to do with any cultural attitudes toward sex.
Remember the owner of this site also owns a site called USAsexguide that has just as many or maybe even more posts than this site. The hookers in the USA were just as fortunate as you to be born there, so what is their excuse?Of course it does. Prostitution is illegal here. Its because of the American puritanical background. Unless you are trolling drug addicts on Figueroa street in LA, you are going to pay a much higher rate here, and do so at considerable risk to yourself.
ISG exists because punters want to go somewhere where the laws and culture are more liberalized. Where the man and woman can conduct their business in relative safety, at least from LE.
I am not sure what your point was.
Of course it does. Prostitution is illegal here. Its because of the American puritanical background. Unless you are trolling drug addicts on Figueroa street in LA, you are going to pay a much higher rate here, and do so at considerable risk to yourself.
ISG exists because punters want to go somewhere where the laws and culture are more liberalized. Where the man and woman can conduct their business in relative safety, at least from LE.
I am not sure what your point was.Just because there are a lot of tutes in the States doesn't mean there is no cultural bias there towards prostitution. There is that bias, and it's what keeps prostitution illegal in most parts of the United States. There is a strong American cultural bias against prostitution, and I think that sucks! Places like Brazil are superior to America in this regard.
Mr Enternational
03-15-25, 23:35
Of course it does. Prostitution is illegal here. Its because of the American puritanical background. I am not sure what your point was.My point was that there are still countless hookers in the USA regardless of it being illegal or how much you have to pay them. Prostitution was only outlawed 100 years ago and a small group of people (as you said, puritans, who were by far not the majority and not even near 1%) were responsible for undertaking that, not "the cultural attitudes to sex. " One click on youtube, tiktok, onlyfans, etc and you will see that Americans are not prudes and that sex is literally selling widely.
Old And Ugly
03-16-25, 07:11
We are drifting to far from the topic here.
Plenty of legally available pussy in Nevada and half of the EU, personally I'm preferring the PH because of the price, quality and experience (there is quality if you have a bit of patience and look long enough).
For me being an old pervert, the illusion of GFE is extremely important, since I don't use ED meds yet and my mind is all I need, therefore the long legged barbies from the Nevada brothels or from the Amsterdam windows, won't do. In the act of PH girls there is a bit of truth and hope, because regardless of being a pay per view performance, the girls also hope that maybe there is something else also, and their life may change or at least so that they don't feel like a piece of meat.
I know that in the past lots of foreigners married BGs, and the bar was their only chance to meet a guy, I'm not sure about that our days with all the online tools available, but maybe the rumors still resonate in their little empty heads.
KenjiYoshioka
03-16-25, 08:19
Take this entire line of questioning either to the porcelain throne or to Stupid Shit in the Philippines.
Don't editorialize. Don't offer your opinions on politics and history.
Leave reviews and information about girls and pussy.
My point was that there are still countless hookers in the USA regardless of it being illegal or how much you have to pay them. Prostitution was only outlawed 100 years ago and a small group of people (as you said, puritans, who were by far not the majority and not even near 1%) were responsible for undertaking that, not "the cultural attitudes to sex. " One click on youtube, tiktok, onlyfans, etc and you will see that Americans are not prudes and that sex is literally selling widely.There are a lot of mongers fucking those same prostitutes in the USA too. Are you saying there's no cultural bias in the States against them either? You can't talk about those selling ass without talking about those who are buying it. Mongers or "Johns" are looked down upon, especially those like us who travel abroad. We're made out to be creepy monsters or something. And you're not even making any sense! If it's only a small minority that's against it, then why can't the laws making prostitution illegal be overturned if the vast majority are for it then? Isn't that how a democracy works? The truth is that nobody is really trying hard to make prostitution legal in the United States because they don't want to be seen as pushing something that's viewed as morally unacceptable in the culture. So what gives then if so much money is changing hands in the USA between tutes and mongers? Well like a lot of things, Americans are just plain hypocrites!
The "cultural attitude" says that prostitution is morally unacceptable, but then people go and slink around and engage in it anyway. You see Mr. E, to get it right you need to be more sophisticated in your thinking on the subject. It isn't enough to say that a lot of people engage in prostitution, therefore there must be no cultural bias against it. No, you don't have to look deep to see that there actually is a cultural attitude that helps keep prostitution illegal in the USA. But many people, being people, will act in a way that's contrary to what their culture taught them is wrong, and they will do it in secret feeling guilt and shame. My point is that it's possible to have a cultural bias against something and still have lots of people engaging in that same very thing. You're right. Americans are not prudes. We're just hypocrites on the topic of prostitution! It's wrong don't do it on the one hand (cultural bias) but then P4 P is huge in the States anyway (reality of people being people).
The definition of a bias isn't that you don't do a particular thing. It's that you have a lean one way. But you could still go in the other direction despite the bias. The American "cultural lean" is most definitely to reject prostitution. I'm American born and bred and know in my bones for that to be true. But what I also know to be true is that many Americans go in the opposite directions despite the teachings of their culture. The cultural bias is there. But many people (not all) do it anyway.
Pinas have an attention span of about three and a half seconds, not 70 years. Anyway, didn't their grandmas spread their legs to pay the vig on that debt? That was the whole reason AC came into being.Under that theory of HH, we should have exclusive lifetime discount cards for Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand to name a few in Asia. Same for most of Europe! I don't think they ever got the memo from HH.
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WildInstincts
03-26-25, 15:59
Disclaimer: I remember someone posted about a papa-mama pharmacy, but couldn't find it. Believe me, I spent fair amount of time searching through the forum but nada. Can someone throw me a pointer? Much appreciated.
Mr Enternational
03-26-25, 16:10
Nothing political about History. And this was an invited response to someone else's question. History happened and is reported by various individuals. Nothing political about history. Sometimes people need a scholarly response to a question. No political action was advocated. If moderators make accusations, they can ban themselves.LOL. Got me too. Of course I asked what difference it makes if nobody ever gets taken off moderation. No answer as usual.
Nothing political about History. And this was an invited response to someone else's question. History happened and is reported by various individuals. Nothing political about history. Sometimes people need a scholarly response to a question. No political action was advocated. If moderators make accusations, they can ban themselves.Very scholarly reply to why westerners have exclusive rights to Angeles City. I assume your reasons for exclusive rights would extend to other Asia countries along with Europe?
Nothing political about History..Sorry, got to call BS on that. History always has been, and will be, written by the victor. You don't have to look far to find areas that have been edited or erased by the "good" guys.
G.
Disclaimer: I remember someone posted about a papa-mama pharmacy, but couldn't find it. Believe me, I spent fair amount of time searching through the forum but nada. Can someone throw me a pointer? Much appreciated.If you don't want an in person consultation, there are lots of online docs available at short notice. They will organise tests and email you official prescriptions.
An option if you can't find a no questions asked pharmacy. These still exist but they are getting rarer everywhere.
Good luck. G.
NeilGeorge
03-26-25, 20:59
Nothing political about History. And this was an invited response to someone else's question. History happened and is reported by various individuals. Nothing political about history. Sometimes people need a scholarly response to a question. No political action was advocated. If moderators make accusations, they can ban themselves.I agree with HH on this one. Not sure why it was deleted. Nothing political was advocated in his remarks. He simply answered the question about why Americans feel they are entitled when they come to the Philippines. Many Americans fought for the Philippines in WWII and this is history, a fact.
NeilGeorge
03-26-25, 21:03
Pinas have an attention span of about three and a half seconds, not 70 years. Anyway, didn't their grandmas spread their legs to pay the vig on that debt? That was the whole reason AC came into being.
Enjoy. G.Yes, and that is why many Americans feel they are special and entitled at Angeles City. They fought and died, they did the Bataan Death March. That is why Americans feel they are entitled when they come to Angeles / Clark Air Base.
Disclaimer: I remember someone posted about a papa-mama pharmacy, but couldn't find it. Believe me, I spent fair amount of time searching through the forum but nada. Can someone throw me a pointer? Much appreciated.Years ago, there was a mom and pop pharmacy on Walking Street. That one closed.
Ya, I tried to get Cipro from all the chain pharmacies around Fields. None of them would sell it to me. That mom and pop pharmacy on Fields did; but even they were hesitant.
I would google "Pharmacy" on Google Maps. Look for one that doesn't look like a chain pharmacy. Then try your luck. Even better, get them while you're in Thailand (or maybe Vietnam).
Or the best way, just see a doctor in Angeles (there's at least one on Fields, probably more; they should be relatively cheap), and get a prescription. I never tried the online method.
Old And Ugly
03-27-25, 03:54
Disclaimer: I remember someone posted about a papa-mama pharmacy, but couldn't find it. Believe me, I spent fair amount of time searching through the forum but nada. Can someone throw me a pointer? Much appreciated.Go across the street from rock 69, or go see a doc.
Go across the street from rock 69, or go see a doc.Then keep the prescription. You can use it again and again. Just save an image on your phone.
G.
WildInstincts
03-27-25, 11:36
Thank you all for your responses. I'll see a doctor and get a prescription. It would still be cheaper and I could use it when there is a need.
Locamotive
03-27-25, 20:29
You speak as if there are no hookers in the USA. The USA is full of hookers and always has been. It is just that they changed the law making it illegal to pay them. It has nothing to do with any cultural attitudes toward sex.
Remember the owner of this site also owns a site called USAsexguide that has just as many or maybe even more posts than this site. The hookers in the USA were just as fortunate as you to be born there, so what is their excuse?W.
Hookers in the US. Hahaha. Sorry can't stop laughing. Of course your statement there are Hookers in Amereica, that is true, actually I guess they are everywhere on earth. Quality is the issue, their availability and price. Now of course just get on Youtube many guys ride around in Phoenix,. L. A. And Philadelphia and film the street hookers. Sorry while some don't look too bad I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole. The rest are just skanks and hard to believe anyone pays them. Upper class hookers or call girls or what you see in Vegas yeah they can be beauties' if you can fork out 1000 bucks or more for a couple hours and certainly no GFE. This is why Asia and other places are so popular for 100 bucks get a real beauty who treats you like a hero home from World War 2 with usually GFE and many stay all night. The comparison to here is just hilarious.
Old And Ugly
03-28-25, 08:03
W.
Hookers in the US. Hahaha. Sorry can't stop laughing. Of course your statement there are Hookers in Amereica, that is true, actually I guess they are everywhere on earth. Quality is the issue, their availability and price. Now of course just get on Youtube many guys ride around in Phoenix,. L. A. And Philadelphia and film the street hookers. Sorry while some don't look too bad I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole. The rest are just skanks and hard to believe anyone pays them. Upper class hookers or call girls or what you see in Vegas yeah they can be beauties' if you can fork out 1000 bucks or more for a couple hours and certainly no GFE. This is why Asia and other places are so popular for 100 bucks get a real beauty who treats you like a hero home from World War 2 with usually GFE and many stay all night. The comparison to here is just hilarious.I come from Sin City, where you can get whatever you can afford to buy, and I sampled all of it. PH quality of service (not talking about appearance) can be only had if you mortgage your house, I'm talking $10 K, for $1 K you'll get GFE for a few hours. Many will think I'm exaggerating, but unfortunately I'm not. I sampled the 10 K selection also, by having rich friends coming to visit and paying for it, because I didn't lost my mind yet to waste my hard earned $ like that. Also I befriended some of the $10 K and up girls, and I knew them personally. They didn't lack clientele, guys were flying them in private jets, or first class to NY, or elsewhere and paying 10 K a day. 2 of them that used to be my neighbors, one an unemployed lawyer, the other just an ex cocktail waitress, were at my house all day long hanging with my first wife or with me at our pool or jacuzzi, because they were renting and didn't have one. After a year or so, some rich dude bought houses for both of them in Summerlin, where the cheapest one is way over $1 M. As you know for some guys that's chump change. (they never disclosed the benefactors, but I always imagined the Eyes Wide Shut scenario).
All I can think while mongering in SEA is that we are blessed to experience all that for a fraction of the price, minus the caviar and champagne.
WildInstincts
03-28-25, 08:09
Disclaimer: I remember someone posted about a papa-mama pharmacy, but couldn't find it. Believe me, I spent fair amount of time searching through the forum but nada. Can someone throw me a pointer? Much appreciated.Found this big thumb drug store bang opposite to McD who sold me Doxy happily with no questions asked. Stocked for future use.
Locamotive
03-28-25, 20:57
I come from Sin City, where you can get whatever you can afford to buy, and I sampled all of it. PH quality of service (not talking about appearance) can be only had if you mortgage your house, I'm talking $10 K, for $1 K you'll get GFE for a few hours. Many will think I'm exaggerating, but unfortunately I'm not. I sampled the 10 K selection also, by having rich friends coming to visit and paying for it, because I didn't lost my mind yet to waste my hard earned $ like that. Also I befriended some of the $10 K and up girls, and I knew them personally. They didn't lack clientele, guys were flying them in private jets, or first class to NY, or elsewhere and paying 10 K a day. 2 of them that used to be my neighbors, one an unemployed lawyer, the other just an ex cocktail waitress, were at my house all day long hanging with my first wife or with me at our pool or jacuzzi, because they were renting and didn't have one. After a year or so, some rich dude bought houses for both of them in Summerlin, where the cheapest one is way over $1 M. As you know for some guys that's chump change. (they never disclosed the benefactors, but I always imagined the Eyes Wide Shut scenario).
All I can think while mongering in SEA is that we are blessed to experience all that for a fraction of the price, minus the caviar and champagne.True we are blessed, as we are doing what the rich and famous do here. I guess its why friends get pissed when I show them photos or tell stories. I get the look you are a nobody, how is this possible. Yeah Vegas boy that's a good example. Had a rich buddy too and went with him out there allot he pulled some nice ones too 5 k at least but this was 20 years ago. This story I've told before two followed me in a elevator, this was about 5 years ago out for March Madnness. Hello handsome ever had a threesome, uh actually yes about 3 times, they rolled their eyes like yeah right. Well honey for $2500 we will go to your room. Thats just crazy I thought but it gets worse as that was each! They were Asian and one might have been as attractive as my regulars. Girls your cute but that's insane, pulled out my phone and here are my girls. They immediately said well if that's true certainly not in this country. You are correct ladies and for 5 grand that you two are charging I can travel there stay a month and have multiple girls like you all day long. Well they said most men probably don't know that and good luck to you, this aint Asia. I said you can say that again as the elevator door opened, later ladies Later I was thinking as I currently have about 5 regular's if I could get them to Vegas we would all be zillionaires in short order. I guess that's why customs is so strict when you try and take one out. I guess what puzzle's me knowing this when I read a post where guys quibble over 50 bucks for a hottie they really want in PHP. Life is a mystery sometimes.
WildInstincts
03-29-25, 05:15
Back After Two Years:
I returned to AC after nearly two years, and overall, the atmosphere seems improved compared to my last visit. Theres a bit more pedestrian traffic on the red street, and a few new bars have opened. I checked into Central Park in the morning and had a light brunch at Tequila Reef. My friend and I started exploring a little after noon. Since it was quite hot, we ducked into the first bar that invited us in.
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Bar Experiences:
Sky Fall (Korean Bar)
Welcoming atmosphere; staff eagerly invited us in.
Around 10 to 15 young girls present.
My friend found a couple of them interesting but didnt make a choice right away.
Drink Price: 200 pesos
Bar Nana:
Around 15 girls, quite eager to be bar-fined.
Nothing particularly impressive, so we left after finishing our drinks.
Drink Price: 150 pesos.
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Afternoon Break:
We decided to take a much-needed nap before continuing in the evening. Slept until 5 and hit the streets again around 6.
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Evening Exploration:
Lollipop:
Decent number of customers and girls.
A few girls were okay but not very appealing.
Drink Price: 150 pesos (if I recall correctly).
Moved on after finishing the drink.
Viking:
I opted for whiskey instead of SML, given how much I had already consumed.
Drink Prices: SML - 170 pesos, Whiskey - 250 pesos.
Girls were friendly and approached us eagerly.
My friend quickly chose one (5500 pesos until the next morning) and left with her.
I chatted with an outgoing girl but didnt take her out bought her a lady drink instead
Lady Drink Price: 400 pesos.
Club XS:
I visited solo after my friend left. Initially, finding a seat was challenging, but the staff accommodated me.
Noticed a higher number of white customers compared to Koreans, most of whom had a girl with them.
Although I didnt interact with the girls, I plan to find out if theyre primarily for drinks or available to go out.
Oh Im brown, I didnt experience any overt discrimination up until this point.
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Late-Night Adventures:
After a few drinks and shows at Club XS, I headed out to find the next spot. My friend called, complaining that his pick was a dud, so we met up and had dinner at Kokomos. Afterward, we wandered through a few more bars, but by then, I was a bit too tipsy to recall each place.
Mega Dance:
Not comparable to Hi-So, but the current option available.
Some eye-catching girls, though they seemed occupied.
Those giving signals werent particularly attractive.
Around 2 AM, both my friend and I chose one girl each (3000 pesos each until morning).
Both performed reasonably well and left the next day.
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Final Thoughts on Day 1:
Its not all doom and gloom in AC. You can still enjoy yourself with the right mindset and attitude. No one turned us down, and the vibe was generally positive. I plan to revisit Club XS to see if the girls there are exclusively for Korean patrons or more open.
End of Day 1:
Not the most exciting report, but I wanted to share my honest experience on the first day back.
WildInstincts
03-30-25, 02:05
Can't remember all the bars visited. Kinda checked out most. Checked out Madonna around 7 pm. Customer drink is mandatory and it's 250 pesos. Girls wearing gold, red and black. I asked the manager about the difference and he said gold is 12 k pesos, red 10 K and black 7 K. All long term until the next day morning. I finished my drink and left.
Picked up a girl from bad boys around 8 and it went quite ok. Nothing much to brag about. If I remember correctly bar fine was 5 K. She left little after 12.
NeilGeorge
03-30-25, 03:09
Picked up a girl from bad boys around 8 and it went quite ok. Nothing much to brag about. If I remember correctly bar fine was 5 K. She left little after 12.Was she supposed to stay all night? So she was a runner?
Was everything covered or did any of the girls do it bare?
Any 3-holers for you?
WildInstincts
03-30-25, 04:23
Was she supposed to stay all night? So she was a runner?
Was everything covered or did any of the girls do it bare?
Any 3-holers for you?She said 4 hours when I bar fined her and stayed for 4 hours and 2 pops. I didn't ask for bareback. Also, didn't try anal. The one my friend took was open to bareback but he also used condom.
NapaSlapper
03-31-25, 03:48
Whats been happening in the bars, clubs and general news and my views over the last few bar hops.
Lets start off with how busy the town is for westerner visitors, well that's easy,2025 has been an absolute disaster in terms of visitors, take away the regular expats that live here and the western punter numbers are tiny, never seen it so quiet in the western oriented bars for both punter numbers and girl numbers, what does not help is what few girls are working don't look happy, no smiles, no excitement to see customers, girls sitting playing with phones, girls standing on stage with arms crossed not even moving to the music.
Western fields sports bar which I reported on opening a month ago on red street was fairly busy its 1st few days with punters trying it out, it has since died a death, the wait staff greatly outnumber the punters when ever I walk past, maybe trying to charge western prices for food and drinks did not go down too well.
Masquarades bar upstairs chill out area, well it opened a few weeks ago, great place to people watch, the seating and bar are along the look out rails is made of glass giving a perfect view over the top and lower parts, some days have live music, visited a few times, like it, its chilled, good prices and friendly staff, perfect people watching spot.
The old envy bar (now hammer resto bar) at tge mouth of walking streetbis prwtty much finished with the renovations and is ready to open any day now, it looks very nice, hope the prices are reasonable for food and drinks other wise can see another empty venue on the horison, time will tell.
Over the last few weeks have popped our heads into the few remaining western oriented bars, champagne bar, lollipop bar, geckos bar, owls nest bar, masquarade bar, mostly stayed for just the one drink, no lady drinks bought and no barfines by me and my western drinking buddies, have to be honest and say girl quality in these bars is low, very low unfortunately, punter drinks 100-140 peso, lady drinks 300-350 peso.
There has been two bars raided recently and closed, club stars was raided and closed due to what I understand was under age girls working there, be careful guys, not all is what it seems in the bars some times.
Korean oriented bars.
Its true to say angeles city has has become mainly korean owned, populated, the koreans own the best and biggest bars, have the better looking girls working at their bars, Own multiple restaurants, hotels, grocery stores etc, one could quite mistake being in seoul south Korea while walking in angeles.
Here's a few korean oriented bars I visited with korean friends.
Atlantis bar, remember visiting here on their opening night many moons ago, back then maybe 200-300 very beautiful slim girls on stage average ages 18,there were so many girls one did not know where to look 1st, roll on to today and this bar is a shadow of its former self, maybe 20 girls in total, mostly older, chubbie and not pleasing on the eye, one drink and left.
Gold moon bar, again no where near as good as the recent past, maybe 30 odd girls, some ok looking and slim, some not ok, bought a couple of drinks for us and girls trying to create a party atmosphere but eventually we got bored and left alone.
Madonna bar, again girl numbers down and no where near as nice looking as in the recent past, normally would spend few hours here, buy many lady drinks and sometimes bar fine, but left after the 1st beer.
Xs bar, again has to be said is the best bar angeles city has as far as girl numbers, great shows and some ok looking girls, was not as busy as normal for punters or girls, bought a few drinks for the girls and had a good night.
In summing up, Angeles a shadow of its former self, Koreans are by far the dominant numbers, they rule the roost in many ways, they have the best bars and definitely by far the better looking girls on their arm, westerners not so much so, many westerners leaving fields alone or with older, chubbies on their arm, maybe they should have renamed walking st to Korea town rather than red street which would have been a much more fitting name, sorry its not great news for the westerner but in truth its what I see and experience in angeles.
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NeilGeorge
03-31-25, 17:43
2025 has been an absolute disaster in terms of visitors, take away the regular expats that live here and the western punter numbers are tiny, never seen it so quiet in the western oriented bars for both punter numbers and girl numbers, what does not help is what few girls are working don't look happy, no smiles, no excitement to see customers, girls sitting playing with phones, girls standing on stage with arms crossed not even moving to the music.
Korean oriented bars.
Its true to say angeles city has has become mainly korean owned, populated, the koreans own the best and biggest bars, have the better looking girls working at their bars, Own multiple restaurants, hotels, grocery stores etc, one could quite mistake being in seoul south Korea while walking in angeles.
Here's a few korean oriented bars I visited with korean friends.
Atlantis bar, remember visiting here on their opening night many moons ago, back then maybe 200-300 very beautiful slim girls on stage average ages 18,there were so many girls one did not know where to look 1st, roll on to today and this bar is a shadow of its former self, maybe 20 girls in total, mostly older, chubbie and not pleasing on the eye, one drink and left.
Gold moon bar, again no where near as good as the recent past, maybe 30 odd girls, some ok looking and slim, some not ok, bought a couple of drinks for us and girls trying to create a party atmosphere but eventually we got bored and left alone.
Madonna bar, again girl numbers down and no where near as nice looking as in the recent past, normally would spend few hours here, buy many lady drinks and sometimes bar fine, but left after the 1st beer.
Xs bar, again has to be said is the best bar angeles city has as far as girl numbers, great shows and some ok looking girls, was not as busy as normal for punters or girls, bought a few drinks for the girls and had a good night.
In summing up, Angeles a shadow of its former self, Koreans are by far the dominant numbers, they rule the roost in many ways, they have the best bars and definitely by far the better looking girls on their arm, westerners not so much so, many westerners leaving fields alone or with older, chubbies on their arm, maybe they should have renamed walking st to Korea town rather than red street which would have been a much more fitting name, sorry its not great news for the westerner but in truth its what I see and experience in angeles.Why do the Koreans get the slim cute ones? Do they pay more for the barfines? It has to be about money. Can the western guys enter a Korean bar and pay more for a better looking girl?
Sir Lancelot
03-31-25, 19:56
In summing up, Angeles a shadow of its former self, Koreans are by far the dominant numbers, they rule the roost in many ways, they have the best bars and definitely by far the better looking girls on their arm, westerners not so much so, many westerners leaving fields alone or with older, chubbies on their arm, maybe they should have renamed walking st to Korea town rather than red street which would have been a much more fitting name, sorry its not great news for the westerner but in truth its what I see and experience in angeles.I cannot stress enough how strongly I disagree with everything Napa says.
I was in Angeles a month ago and fucked some exceptional girls. Napa's claims that westerners won't get any joy in Korean bars is pure fiction. I'm a white guy, late forties from UK, and I bar-fined all six of these girls from Korean bars. One was a 'model' from XS and the waitress and mamasan couldn't have been more helpful. They literally sat either side of me with their laser-pens, pointing out girls. My money was welcomed just as much as the Korean customers. One of the other girls was a black-tape dancer from Avalon, and another from Genesis. As I was chatting with her in the bar, three old Korean men kept staring at us and she whispered to me "they so arrogant, they think I will go to sit with them". I bar-fined her twice. All of these girls were aged 22 or less. Walk down the street and the Korean bar-owners will all try to persuade you to go inside for a drink. They want westerners to have a good time just as much as Koreans.
I don't understand why Napa makes so many false claims. I presume he struggles to click with girls, so makes sweeping generalisations that everyone else will have as barren a time as he obviously does.
If you are reading this forum and toying with the idea of going to Angeles, get yourself booked as soon as possible. You will not regret it. Me and my friend Macca are already planning our next trip.
NapaSlapper
04-01-25, 09:25
Why do the Koreans get the slim cute ones? Do they pay more for the barfines? It has to be about money. Can the western guys enter a Korean bar and pay more for a better looking girl?Hi thanks for your post, I will try to answer as accurately as possible.
Its a matter of koreans over the last several years have taken over angeles big time, they own most the bars, the korean punters tend to be much younger and slimmer than westerners, they dress well, look clean and throw money around like its going out of fashion, like making it rain (throwing fistfulls of notes in the air for the girls to catch in the bar) tabling multiple girls and buying them multiple lady drinks, barfining girls and taking them out to expensive restaurants, taking them clubbing and hiring the best seats there with top shelf bottle service for them, treating the girls with respect from what I witness, also tipping the girls handsomly, sometimes for even for just sitting with them in the bar, girls like big spenders, they like the younger korean guys that will party with them, treat them good and the koreans are quite happy to accept short time back at the room, some times have seen koreans barfine multiple girls and only end up taking one girl home each, releasing the rest.
As far as do koreans pay more for their bar fines absolutely not, barfine prices tend to be the same for all, can honestly say I spend a fortune when I'm out partying with korean friends on drinks and partying with the girls, what's not to like for the girls in honesty.
Hope that helps.
......When one of you guys posts an full photo (face and body of girl without blurring) and she is nice looking / slim and young then why would I not say I like the posted pictures, and congratulate said poster on his good taste......From your post I concluded that you have been posting such photos so I went looking but for some reason could not find them. Could you direct me to them please?
Now onto your posted photos, I am a big face man and unmarked body man as you have chosen to post fully clothed and to blur out the girls faces there is no way of telling how pretty these girls are, yes they look slim but could have a face that is unapealing or a body showing bad signs of child birth.Mate, I battle to get any girl in the Phils to have her photo taken with her gear off.
And I'm sure the other guys who do post pics with blurred faces are to protect the girl's identity.
Feel free to post pics of your girls and we'll see what you're looking for.
_ Phil.
WestCoast1
04-03-25, 16:38
Mate, I battle to get any girl in the Phils to have her photo taken with her gear off.
And I'm sure the other guys who do post pics with blurred faces are to protect the girl's identity.Without the girl's permission, never. Its cruelty to suggest others do so.
Feel free to post pics of your girls and we'll see what you're looking for. Beating a dead horse. He's goading others into posting such pics, while he has never done so (and will never). Its wild hypocrisy.
Old And Ugly
04-03-25, 17:05
I returned today after an extensive 4 months travel to Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia, AC still my favorite, TH compares with AC, but the lack of english dims the fun. Vietnam, and Cambodia, they can keep it, I'm not into fast HJs or eventual BJs in the back of a salon massage, overpriced also. PH is the place! As the years pass by, and technology becomes more ready available, it seems that the people are getting dumber, nobody speaks english anymore, and they don't understand professor Google when it translates, also cannot interpret any universal sign language attempts, beside fucking or BJ.
Had my first 3 some in the afternoon with a freelancer and my GF, and was a more than satisfying experience for 2 K, I may say was like in a porn movie.
I see that Kokomos has new menus, and the prices seem slightly higher, or maybe is just my memory playing games.
Angels Bakery opened a satellite restaurant, carinderia stile on Vian / Santos, mostly german sausage sandwiches, but good quality and cheap, around 150 a piece, they have german beer also.
Masquerade has a band playing 70's rock on the roof, sounds good and is not deafening.
The old Margherita Station still vacant, probably the owner regrets raising the rent.
The new Envy still not open, and looks like an aquarium with all walls covered by TV panels.
Paradise looks kind of the same, beside the fact that it has same new "stands" facing the street, and they cleaned up the old tables and chairs, I didn't checked the prices.
On the side of the McDonalds drive thru there is a new fenced area, and the trinket vendors have disappeared.
The pharmacies are asking for a prescription now for anti bacterial stuff, not only for antibiotics, but still few where no questions asked.
Popped my head in few bars, and except Lollipop, they all had little zombies in evening gowns, glued to the phones.
Lots of cute street walkers, not too many of our korean friends, and very hot and humid.
And that's all that comes to mind.
Expat American
04-03-25, 17:47
I returned today after an extensive 4 months travel to Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia, AC still my favorite, TH compares with AC, but the lack of english dims the fun. Vietnam, and Cambodia, they can keep it, I'm not into fast HJs or eventual BJs in the back of a salon massage, overpriced also. PH is the place! As the years pass by, and technology becomes more ready available, it seems that the people are getting dumber, nobody speaks english anymore, and they don't understand professor Google when it translates, also cannot interpret any universal sign language attempts, beside fucking or BJ.So Thai people are getting dumber because they don't learn English and because of Technology? So what have you done in that time and access to technology to learn Thai? You are going to their country not the other way around. Damn, the arrogance of some Westerners is really annoying.
Old And Ugly
04-04-25, 02:42
So Thai people are getting dumber because they don't learn English and because of Technology? So what have you done in that time and access to technology to learn Thai? You are going to their country not the other way around. Damn, the arrogance of some Westerners is really annoying.Not arrogance just an observation, of a life long traveler, point a place on the globe, and I can tell you that I've been there probably. You're rushing to judge millions of people visiting hundreds of different countries using criteria that applies to immigrants, not tourists.
No need to learn a multitude of languages as long as you speak the universal language which is english, and is also used by japanese when speaking to chinese, or the russians speaking to the brazillians, second: if you're not seeking employment in the respective country, and just there to spend your hard earned money, you may think that the people dealing with the tourists have the obligation, and the immediate interest in learning basic english, so they can communicate with the germans, americans, russians, french, mexicans and the koreans visiting the respective place in order to empty their pockets. The working girls come to mind also.
Maybe I should mention that I can speak fluent (not perfect) german, spanish, italian, some french and some portugese, but somehow visiting a country in SEA for a few weeks and not speaking khmer, or vietnamese and expecting the receptionist at a hotel or at a check in counter at the airport to speak a few words related to their job in english makes me an arrogant american.
If I'm to move permanently to one of this places, I assure you that I would do my best to learn some of the basic words to be able to communicate with people, but that's not the case yet, and probably my brain has shrinked already from old age, leaving me unable of learning new things, and facilitating forgetting what I already know.
Anyway the rant was not about Thailand, where they do speak some english in places dealing with tourists, and are able to understand child like language with hand gestures and noises, it was Cambodia and Vietnam. Years ago when visiting the 2 countries, you had young people in the park approaching you and asking you to have an innocent conversation, so they can improve their english skills, and they were thrilled about it. Back then you'll have to learn it from books, or take courses, now is extremely simpler, you have it in the palm of your hand, everybody owns a smart phone, and has access to the internet, cheaper and way better than in the west, but contrary to the expectations, nobody got smarter, just the opposite happened, I blame it on FB TikTok, and narcissism, and that's the technology part that I'm referring to, I tried to use translator apps, but they're not always working well.
I hope that clarifies it, my bad that I wasn't specific enough, no need for insults, we're just anonymous civilized people with a common hobby, exchanging info and impressions here.
Expat American
04-04-25, 18:28
Not arrogance just an observation, of a life long traveler, point a place on the globe, and I can tell you that I've been there probably. You're rushing to judge millions of people visiting hundreds of different countries using criteria that applies to immigrants, not tourists.
No need to learn a multitude of languages as long as you speak the universal language which is english, and is also used by japanese when speaking to chinese, or the russians speaking to the brazillians, second: if you're not seeking employment in the respective country, and just there to spend your hard earned money, you may think that the people dealing with the tourists have the obligation, and the immediate interest in learning basic english, so they can communicate with the germans, americans, russians, french, mexicans and the koreans visiting the respective place in order to empty their pockets. The working girls come to mind also.
Maybe I should mention that I can speak fluent (not perfect) german, spanish, italian, some french and some portugese, but somehow visiting a country in SEA for a few weeks and not speaking khmer, or vietnamese and expecting the receptionist at a hotel or at a check in counter at the airport to speak a few words related to their job in english makes me an arrogant american.
If I'm to move permanently to one of this places, I assure you that I would do my best to learn some of the basic words to be able to communicate with people, but that's not the case yet, and probably my brain has shrinked already from old age, leaving me unable of learning new things, and facilitating forgetting what I already know.
Anyway the rant was not about Thailand, where they do speak some english in places dealing with tourists, and are able to understand child like language with hand gestures and noises, it was Cambodia and Vietnam. Years ago when visiting the 2 countries, you had young people in the park approaching you and asking you to have an innocent conversation, so they can improve their english skills, and they were thrilled about it. Back then you'll have to learn it from books, or take courses, now is extremely simpler, you have it in the palm of your hand, everybody owns a smart phone, and has access to the internet, cheaper and way better than in the west, but contrary to the expectations, nobody got smarter, just the opposite happened, I blame it on FB TikTok, and narcissism, and that's the technology part that I'm referring to, I tried to use translator apps, but they're not always working well.
I hope that clarifies it, my bad that I wasn't specific enough, no need for insults, we're just anonymous civilized people with a common hobby, exchanging info and impressions here.The part you are missing is that as their economies grow, there is less and less need to cater to Americans or other English speaking tourists. There is also a growing pride in their own cultures and language. Of course as a matter of practical reality tourist facing people should speak English. But look at the world today. We are slipping into isolationism and global trade, travel and by extension English proficiency will suffer greatly. I was not trying to insult you, sorry if it came off that way. I just get tired of White Supremacy masquerading in its various forms.
Old And Ugly
04-05-25, 05:14
The part you are missing is that as their economies grow, there is less and less need to cater to Americans or other English speaking tourists. There is also a growing pride in their own cultures and language. Of course as a matter of practical reality tourist facing people should speak English. But look at the world today. We are slipping into isolationism and global trade, travel and by extension English proficiency will suffer greatly. I was not trying to insult you, sorry if it came off that way. I just get tired of White Supremacy masquerading in its various forms.No offense taken, I been analyzing the universality of the english language in my mind a while back, and I think it generates in the fact that most machine and computer languages, especially the early ones were based on english, then the early internet was only in english, after that it appears that the english became the unelected universal language in the world. 50 years ago Esperanto was designated as the universal language, I even learned some in the school, but it failed to take over the world. My opinion is that if a hotel or restaurant, or any business is tourist oriented, and the bulk of the customers are foreigners, then they should speak english, that being essential for their business. I had old tuktuk drivers speaking english, but not the 20 year olds working at a hotel reception, or selling excursions to foreigners. Me personally I take my time, and try to explain things in different ways, like to a little child, not necessarily using only words, I'm not in a rush, but usually it was not going anywhere.
NapaSlapper
04-05-25, 09:20
Whats the latest bar hop news.
Visited bars this week with group of bar hop friends, here are a few visited.
Avalon bar, Qbar, bar nana, atlantis bar, geckos bar, lollipop bar, la bamba bar, masquarade bar, very few customers (some no customers) and a severe lack of attractive / slim / younger girls in any of these bars, had a beer in each bar but as a group bought zero lady drinks in the bars mentioned as nothing worth buying drinks for was seen, many girls looking bored, many girls not dancing, many girls not smiling or welcoming customers to their bar.
It took until I met up with korean friends later and headed to madonna bar (korean bar) before spotting a couple of girls worth buying lady drinks for, we asked the two girls to join us for drinks, they were fairly cute girls but nothing more, no not stunners, or very attractive, just ok but they were the best of a fairly bad bunch in all honesty, korean friends were out to barfine but things did not go to plan, same old bait and switch, girls agree to sit for drinks but when barfine is mentioned all of a sudden excuses are made by the girls as to why they cannot bar fine (normally sudden onset of pretend mens).
We knew from past experience that the only bar angeles city has that has the better looking girls was Xs bar, so off we went, on entering was greeted by the very friendly korean manager who knows us well and gave front row seats and comped the 1st drinks, it was fairly busy but much quieter than in the recent past (all korean punters except me) we had a few drinks, invited a few girls for drinks, again no, not stunners, no, not super attractive, just average, girls but best available, these girls were willing to barfine with my korean friends for 6,000 peso short time but friends decided to try for better fish in hammer night club (they know many girls there, non pros).
Its fair to say many girls in Xs bar are show girls, many girls are drinks only girls (these type of girls earn large even though they do not barfine with anyone) a good few cherry girls work here (some cherry girls will barfine for bar hop only) many girls are korean only girls, have visited this bar over a hundred times, very rarely does one see westerners in xs bar (probably a handful of guys over the years) and never seen westerners sitting with girls here or successfully barfine any of the better looking girls.
Its no secret that angeles city is very very quiet for both tourists and attractive girls, Many bars even the biggest bars have been closing on Mondays and many on Tuesdays due to a severe lack of customers visiting angeles city, where as a few very recent visits to Bangkok saw nana plaza and other bar areas heaving with hundreds of visitors from all over the world, bars full of girls and very attractive girls at that, the same with pattaya, soi 6 packed, must be 1000 girls just in this one st, pattaya LK metro area again standing room only in many bars with many attractive girls, and on to famous walking st pattaya, well what can one say except for wow, in truth there is more attractive / slim / young girls in one walking st bar than the whole of angeles bars put together by a long, long way IMHO.
Of course unlike angeles bars Thailand bars do not insist the bar and bar girls money be paid by the punter before leaving the bar with no guarantee of anything for ones money and no money back if girl does not suck or fuck or runs after the 1st pop, but Thailand does it fair for the punter, pay the small fee to release the girl from the bar and pay the girls share only once punter is happy with girl service and time spent.
In summing up, there must be a very big reason why western guys have deserted angeles in droves, why angeles is in truth in very big trouble, yes I hear of guys claiming angeles girls are like cat walk models, are stunners, are 9/10's,well all I can say is I see absolutely no girls that I or multiple bar hop friends would call such (not by a long way) and it seems many guys would agree with me and my barhop friends findings by completely skipping angeles city visits and spending ones money else where where one gets far better value for money.
P,s, few words to those asking to post photos of stunners I meet, well read my posts, I clearly say I see no stunners, cat walk models or anything remotely resembling such in angeles city bars so obviously cannot supply such.
For those that sing angeles praises and claim to barfine stunners and cat walk models then I am sure many members would love to see a few photos of such, won't hold my breath waiting for any in honesty.
Alexandra2525
04-05-25, 10:29
Hi.
Can someone tell me the travelling time from these hotels to Red Street please?
I know they aren't in the centre of the action and I know there are hotels a lot closer. But I'd like to stay away from the hustle and bustle and travel there to enjoy.
I can see the distance on a map but I don't know about local traffic etc.
Thanks.
Transporter
04-05-25, 10:36
Hi. Can someone tell me the travelling time from these hotels to Red Street please? I know they aren't in the centre of the action and I know there are hotels a lot closer. But I'd like to stay away from the hustle and bustle and travel there to enjoy. I can see the distance on a map but I don't know about local traffic etc.Thanks.Wow, I know it don't look very far on a map, but add the traffic, and it can be a whole another world. Depends on what time of day it is unpredictable how long it will take. That ride should only take you 20 minutes but things can go sideways. Just the other year I was headed back to manila from AC, was going to drop off a friend at dau bus terminal before heading back. 40 minutes into it, he just got out and said he was going to walk the rest of the way.
Old And Ugly
04-05-25, 14:17
Hi.
Can someone tell me the travelling time from these hotels to Red Street please?
I know they aren't in the centre of the action and I know there are hotels a lot closer. But I'd like to stay away from the hustle and bustle and travel there to enjoy.
I can see the distance on a map but I don't know about local traffic etc.
Thanks.It's farther than the airport, probably at least half hour of hell, inhaling exhaust fumes and infernal noise on a trike, or like Transporter said, you may be better off walking during certain times of the day. Doesn't serve the purpose of mongering on the Red Street. Also dwelling on the outskirts in PH doesn't automatically guarantee a peaceful stay, dogs, roosters, motorbikes with modified mufflers (to boost the dB), hammer drill enthusiasts, and jukebox heroes are everywhere.
I just saw today that Fields Ave in no longer called Walking Street, and the name was changed to Red Street, I guess, I never looked up there while fending LBs and the pharmaceutical reps in front of Envy.
Hi.
Can someone tell me the travelling time from these hotels to Red Street please?
I know they aren't in the centre of the action and I know there are hotels a lot closer. But I'd like to stay away from the hustle and bustle and travel there to enjoy.
I can see the distance on a map but I don't know about local traffic etc.
Thanks.These hotels are far from the beaten path. Some girls might not want to go there and / or the hotels might not be girl friendly. Trikes are not allowed into parts of Clark and you will have to rely on taxis. Traffic could be a problem.
Why do the Koreans get the slim cute ones? Do they pay more for the barfines? It has to be about money. Can the western guys enter a Korean bar and pay more for a better looking girl?Answered by Sir Lancelot. I have seen the girls the Koreans have and they are no better than the ones available to you.
MongerHunger
04-05-25, 16:16
Hi.
Can someone tell me the travelling time from these hotels to Red Street please?
I know they aren't in the centre of the action and I know there are hotels a lot closer. But I'd like to stay away from the hustle and bustle and travel there to enjoy.
I can see the distance on a map but I don't know about local traffic etc.
Thanks.Why don't you try plugging in a starting and end point on the map after clicking on "directions"? Did you know that will give you an estimated travel time and distance between two locations under the current traffic conditions including road closures and detours? Have you ever used GPS at anytime for navigation before? It's pretty simple and user friendly. I know that some people are old fashioned and are not too keen when it comes to using technology or how to use certain gadgets.
Alexandra2525
04-05-25, 18:37
Thanks for the replies.
I don't mind sitting in a taxi for half an hour or so each way, are we saying it will be much more than that?
As for.
1) Girls not wanting to go back there. Wouldn't they actually prefer to be going to a nicer hotel? Usually that tells them that they might get a better tip if they behave well.
2) Not being girl friendly. My experience in even far more conservative countries than Ph is that at 5 star hotels no one seems to say anything.
This will be my first visit to Ph, I am basing 1) and 2) on my experience in other countries so am happy to be corrected if I have it wrong.
Thank you.
Mr Enternational
04-05-25, 19:53
I don't mind sitting in a taxi for half an hour or so each way, are we saying it will be much more than that?
As for.
1) Girls not wanting to go back there. Wouldn't they actually prefer to be going to a nicer hotel? Usually that tells them that they might get a better tip if they behave well.Don't try to reinvent the wheel. The prostitutes are not on vacation, you are. Have you seen the shacks that they grew up in? They do not care about your accommodation; they care about the money you are paying them.
Do not try to play out Pretty Woman. There is a saying about casting pearls among swine. These are simple unsophisticated rural hookers. These are not high class Beverly Hills Hoars. Bring them to a 5 star hotel so they can keep spitting on the floor while they are sucking your dick?
Again, do not try to reinvent the wheel. You have seen no reports here mentioning staying 30 minutes away. Might as well stay home if you are thinking about doing some shit like that.
Thanks for the replies.
I don't mind sitting in a taxi for half an hour or so each way, are we saying it will be much more than that?
As for.
1) Girls not wanting to go back there. Wouldn't they actually prefer to be going to a nicer hotel? Usually that tells them that they might get a better tip if they behave well.
2) Not being girl friendly. My experience in even far more conservative countries than Ph is that at 5 star hotels no one seems to say anything.
This will be my first visit to Ph, I am basing 1) and 2) on my experience in other countries so am happy to be corrected if I have it wrong.
Thank you.Please let us know how this goes for you.
1. Girls are from the country and may be nervous to venture to a far away hotel and not knowing how to get back.
2. Clark hotels are for business travelers and may check ID's or limit guests.
You may be correct as most mongers stay close to walking street.
Expat American
04-06-25, 02:35
Thanks for the replies.
I don't mind sitting in a taxi for half an hour or so each way, are we saying it will be much more than that?
As for.
1) Girls not wanting to go back there. Wouldn't they actually prefer to be going to a nicer hotel? Usually that tells them that they might get a better tip if they behave well.
2) Not being girl friendly. My experience in even far more conservative countries than Ph is that at 5 star hotels no one seems to say anything.
This will be my first visit to Ph, I am basing 1) and 2) on my experience in other countries so am happy to be corrected if I have it wrong.
Thank you.Every now and then someone comes to the boards and tries to do something totally different than what most guys coming here do. Then people with far more experience try to tell them that's a bad idea. Then the OP gets offended and tries to argue why they are right. Eventually experienced posters give up and say fine do whatever you like, since you seem to know better than people who have been there dozens of times in spite of never stepping a foot in there yourself. I see all this happening again.
Chris Long
04-06-25, 04:34
Whats the latest bar hop news.
Visited bars this week with group of bar hop friends, here are a few visited.
Avalon bar, Qbar, bar nana, atlantis bar, geckos bar, lollipop bar, la bamba bar, masquarade bar, very few customers (some no customers) and a severe lack of attractive / slim / younger girls in any of these bars, had a beer in each bar but as a group bought zero lady drinks in the bars mentioned as nothing worth buying drinks for was seen, many girls looking bored, many girls not dancing, many girls not smiling or welcoming customers to their bar.
It took until I met up with korean friends later and headed to madonna bar (korean bar) before spotting a couple of girls worth buying lady drinks for, we asked the two girls to join us for drinks, they were fairly cute girls but nothing more, no not stunners, or very attractive, just ok but they were the best of a fairly bad bunch in all honesty, korean friends were out to barfine but things did not go to plan, same old bait and switch, girls agree to sit for drinks but when barfine is mentioned all of a sudden excuses are made by the girls as to why they cannot bar fine (normally sudden onset of pretend mens).
We knew from past experience that the only bar angeles city has that has the better looking girls was Xs bar, so off we went, on entering was greeted by the very friendly korean manager who knows us well and gave front row seats and comped the 1st drinks, it was fairly busy but much quieter than in the recent past (all korean punters except me) we had a few drinks, invited a few girls for drinks, again no, not stunners, no, not super attractive, just average, girls but best available, these girls were willing to barfine with my korean friends for 6,000 peso short time but friends decided to try for better fish in hammer night club (they know many girls there, non pros).
Its fair to say many girls in Xs bar are show girls, many girls are drinks only girls (these type of girls earn large even though they do not barfine with anyone) a good few cherry girls work here (some cherry girls will barfine for bar hop only) many girls are korean only girls, have visited this bar over a hundred times, very rarely does one see westerners in xs bar (probably a handful of guys over the years) and never seen westerners sitting with girls here or successfully barfine any of the better looking girls.
Its no secret that angeles city is very very quiet for both tourists and attractive girls, Many bars even the biggest bars have been closing on Mondays and many on Tuesdays due to a severe lack of customers visiting angeles city, where as a few very recent visits to Bangkok saw nana plaza and other bar areas heaving with hundreds of visitors from all over the world, bars full of girls and very attractive girls at that, the same with pattaya, soi 6 packed, must be 1000 girls just in this one st, pattaya LK metro area again standing room only in many bars with many attractive girls, and on to famous walking st pattaya, well what can one say except for wow, in truth there is more attractive / slim / young girls in one walking st bar than the whole of angeles bars put together by a long, long way IMHO.
Of course unlike angeles bars Thailand bars do not insist the bar and bar girls money be paid by the punter before leaving the bar with no guarantee of anything for ones money and no money back if girl does not suck or fuck or runs after the 1st pop, but Thailand does it fair for the punter, pay the small fee to release the girl from the bar and pay the girls share only once punter is happy with girl service and time spent.
In summing up, there must be a very big reason why western guys have deserted angeles in droves, why angeles is in truth in very big trouble, yes I hear of guys claiming angeles girls are like cat walk models, are stunners, are 9/10's,well all I can say is I see absolutely no girls that I or multiple bar hop friends would call such (not by a long way) and it seems many guys would agree with me and my barhop friends findings by completely skipping angeles city visits and spending ones money else where where one gets far better value for money.
P,s, few words to those asking to post photos of stunners I meet, well read my posts, I clearly say I see no stunners, cat walk models or anything remotely resembling such in Angeles city bars so obviously cannot supply such.
For those that sing Angeles praises and claim to barfine stunners and cat walk models then I am sure many members would love to see a few photos of such, won't hold my breath waiting for any in honesty.This is similar to my experience in Angeles City and my opinions of Angeles City. I go every month was there a couple weeks ago and will return in a couple weeks. All I see in the bars are 4's and 5's 90% of the women in the bars are 4's and 5's. There may be one or two or even three 6's or even a 7's I've never seen anyone in Angeles I would call a 8, 9, or 10, from my experience the 6/7's are Korean only girls, and you have to jump through hoops and do a song and dance to convince them to go with you and at best you'll have a 50% success rate in getting the one or two 6's /7's to go with a non-Korean. The 4's and 5's always seem friendly and eager to go but I just can't justify paying $100 for a girl who's only a 4 or 5. I've seen many guys claim on here they are getting the 6's and 7's with no problem. Either their 6/7 is my 4/5 or they are throwing a lot of money around and jumping through hoops and doing a song and dance to get them and still only successful 50% of the time or they are a Brad Pitt look alike. The number one draw to Angeles City is that it is still 100% bare back friendly if that ever changes then there is NO reason to return to Angeles City.
WestCoast1
04-06-25, 04:55
Thanks for the replies.
I don't mind sitting in a taxi for half an hour or so each way, are we saying it will be much more than that?
As for.
1) Girls not wanting to go back there. Wouldn't they actually prefer to be going to a nicer hotel? Usually that tells them that they might get a better tip if they behave well.
2) Not being girl friendly. My experience in even far more conservative countries than Ph is that at 5 star hotels no one seems to say anything.
This will be my first visit to Ph, I am basing 1) and 2) on my experience in other countries so am happy to be corrected if I have it wrong.
Thank you.Way overthinking things here. If you're ok spending 30 minutes in a taxi / Grab each way (seems nuts to me given the choice of decent condos much closer -- ie Kandi and ABC), that's an hour's driving, which will probably mean 1 trip to WS and home each evening. Just do it.
Or stop all of this and get a place closer to the action (many choices) where you can waltz girls in / out all day long. Everything else (#1, #2, etc) is yada yada yada.
Tip your cabbie, and tell us what you thought of things while there.
Old And Ugly
04-06-25, 06:23
Thanks for the replies.
I don't mind sitting in a taxi for half an hour or so each way, are we saying it will be much more than that?
As for.
1) Girls not wanting to go back there. Wouldn't they actually prefer to be going to a nicer hotel? Usually that tells them that they might get a better tip if they behave well.
2) Not being girl friendly. My experience in even far more conservative countries than Ph is that at 5 star hotels no one seems to say anything.
This will be my first visit to Ph, I am basing 1) and 2) on my experience in other countries so am happy to be corrected if I have it wrong.
Thank you.1. No, girls don't care if you fuck them behind the dumpster or in the penthouse at Ritz Carlton, they care about money only. And the long travel time is a disadvantage for them: waisted time. Maybe if you get to know one and she gains your trust, and you pay her to be with you for a few days, then she will be happy to take selfies with the nice chandeliers in the lobby, otherwise they will stick to the known territory. Also don't forget her sense of safety, going with a stranger out of the city in the darkness, that may be her last trip, as the horror stories circulating among them say.
2. In a place like AC the reputation is kept by denying access in the hotel to hookers, unless you register her as a guest when you check in. You can try bribing porters and receptionists, it may or may not work, but why complicate things, when you have plenty of luxurious options, if that's your thing, close by, like WestCoast says. If this is your first time here, just book a room at Royal Amsterdam, for 2 nights, then see what suits you better, ABC, Kandi, or the ones in Clark, you may be scared to walk even to ABC or Kandi in the dark. Just saying.
Alexandra2525
04-06-25, 09:15
Thanks for your replies.
I completely understand that logistically it makes much more sense to stay at the places that you have all mentioned. Unfortunately I have family back home who need to know where I am staying, I can't just go off radar. If I stay somewhere that is in the heart of a red-light area with very little else there to do it will raise eyebrows to say the least. I'.
That is why I always tend to stay a little distance away from established red light areas even though it adds a degree of inconvenience.
If that just won't work in Angeles then I'll have to give it a miss and stick to Manila.
Thanks.
Thanks for your replies.
I completely understand that logistically it makes much more sense to stay at the places that you have all mentioned. Unfortunately I have family back home who need to know where I am staying, I can't just go off radar. If I stay somewhere that is in the heart of a red-light area with very little else there to do it will raise eyebrows to say the least. I'.
That is why I always tend to stay a little distance away from established red light areas even though it adds a degree of inconvenience.
If that just won't work in Angeles then I'll have to give it a miss and stick to Manila.
Thanks.Are you telling them that Angeles is a technology hub or business hub LOL? A 5 second intenet search will show them. What you are doing. 🤣.
Are you telling them that Angeles is a technology hub or business hub LOL? A 5 second intenet search will show them. What you are doing. 🤣.Mnay the happy day I spent with Richard Feynman, the great Nobel Prize winning physiciist, in strip bars, solving math equatuons and sketching the strippers. https://www.plannedman.com/the-means/work/part-two-feynman-strip-clubs-and-the-nobel-prize-as-a-performance-enhancing-drug/.
Though Feynamn has passed on, I doubt his stunt will work for lesser mortals, least of all in AC.
Mr Enternational
04-06-25, 14:27
Every now and then someone comes to the boards and tries to do something totally different than what most guys coming here do. Then people with far more experience try to tell them that's a bad idea. Then the OP gets offended and tries to argue why they are right. Like when my brother was going to Manila. I told him to stay in Ermita. He chose this ritzy hotel in another place. Whenever he went out, it was 1 hour to go anywhere. Yeah the shit looks 5 minutes away on a map when you are sitting on the other side of the world, but people with experience know the truth.
These are not high class Beverly Hills Hoars. Bring them to a 5 star hotel so they can keep spitting on the floor while they are sucking your dick?So true Mr Ent. .
Or spitting your load into a towel or your bedding after they've copped a mouthful.
_ Phil.
Unfortunately I have family back home who need to know where I am staying, I can't just go off radar. If I stay somewhere that is in the heart of a red-light area with very little else there to do it will raise eyebrows to say the leastJust tell them you're staying in Manila. They should be able to get in touch with you via phone or email if they really have to.
If things turn to shit and an angry and aggressive Bakla ties you down, hits you up the back door and steals all your money and passport, just tell them you took an 'unfortunate' day trip.
_ Phil.
WestCoast1
04-06-25, 16:14
Or spitting your load into a towel or your bedding after they've copped a mouthful.Your girls spit?
WestCoast1
04-06-25, 16:22
Just tell them you're staying in Manila. They should be able to get in touch with you via phone or email if they really have to.
Thanks for your replies.
I completely understand that logistically it makes much more sense to stay at the places that you have all mentioned. Unfortunately I have family back home who need to know where I am staying, I can't just go off radar. If I stay somewhere that is in the heart of a red-light area with very little else there to do it will raise eyebrows to say the least. I'.An alternative might be to book the fancy hotel for sake of your fam, and also keep a lesser hotel near Walking Street for the joy time. Check in to the fancy place, take a few selfies of you in your fancy hotel and send one each day to the fam. Then head over to the Eurotel, Kandi Towers, the ABC, or Royal Amsterdam and check in, get the room key, and bring in your girls left / right as needed. Who would know the difference? Go back to the fancy place once a day in different clothes and take another selfie for the fam. Have lunch in their nice resto and take another selfie.
Just tell them you're staying in Manila. They should be able to get in touch with you via phone or email if they really have to.
If things turn to shit and an angry and aggressive Bakla ties you down, hits you up the back door and steals all your money and passport, just tell them you took an 'unfortunate' day trip.
_ Phil.Just remember to turn off your phone's location services.
G.
Your girls spit?Mine drips her warm saliva down my balls leaving a big wet spot on the bed! Then slowly drips my cum from her gorgeous mouth on to my belly button.
WestCoast1
04-07-25, 01:27
Your girls spit?
Mine drips her warm saliva down my balls leaving a big wet spot on the bed! Then slowly drips my cum from her gorgeous mouth on to my belly button.One of mine has swallowed for years, no prompting from me. One day I asked her if she used oral contraceptives. "No. I swallow it because I want to fregnint".
Alexandra2525
04-07-25, 14:45
Thanks guys, I appreciate the advice.
I'll have to scratch my head and figure out the best way forward.
As at Jingo 10 pointed out, even if I stay in a fancy hotel in Angeles as there is fuck all else to do there it still presents an issue. Ie why the hell am I there? LOL.
Pretending I am in Manila whilst being in Angeles breaks one of my cardinal rules of mongering. Ie don't spin elaborate lies, it just increases the chances of being caught out. I accept that others may disagree, but everyone's domestic situation is different.
Anyway, thanks again, I appreciate the input.
Your girls spit?Not all swallow Westie.
There have been quite a few that have done the deed over the years.
A few accidental eye and facial shots were memorable.
I always give them a tap on the shoulder or a verbal warning when it's about to happen.
Some don't care and go all the way. Others don't take notice of the warning.
_ Phil.
Pretending I am in Manila whilst being in Angeles breaks one of my cardinal rules of mongering. Ie don't spin elaborate lies, it just increases the chances of being caught out. I accept that others may disagree, but everyone's domestic situation is different.
I agree with you.
I went back to your original posts to find out why you are coming to Manila, and it's not clear.
If it is a work trip, you have many options for explaining your movements, and you are overthinking it.
If AC is not on your work itinerary, it breaks one of your cardinal rules, and you will be caught out.
If it's a leisure trip to the PH, then you can be sure that your "family / domestic situation" members will be getting all sorts of advice from others about what you are likely to be doing when in PH, so no amount of spin or creative thinking will remove that suspicion. If you have a legitimate reason for visiting Manila, just hit the ground running and fit mongering around your work.
Thanks guys, I appreciate the advice.
I'll have to scratch my head and figure out the best way forward.
As at Jingo 10 pointed out, even if I stay in a fancy hotel in Angeles as there is fuck all else to do there it still presents an issue. Ie why the hell am I there? LOL.
Pretending I am in Manila whilst being in Angeles breaks one of my cardinal rules of mongering. Ie don't spin elaborate lies, it just increases the chances of being caught out. I accept that others may disagree, but everyone's domestic situation is different.
Anyway, thanks again, I appreciate the input.Stay in one of the casino hotels in Clark.
It's far enough to be separate from the balibago area, has legitimacy because the Clark freeport zone indeed does have multinational companies and factories operating there, but still only 10-15 mins drive to walking street on a good day.
FuriousGeorge
04-09-25, 08:20
Good one. I am single and free to have sex with whomever I like and everyone important in my life knows that. But. I do shroud my trips to the phils in a white lie. Do they know? Not sure, who cares. But I understand the reluctance to admit the truth. I would suggest trying to get to a place in life when you are un-blackmailable. It's liberating.
Alexandra2525
04-10-25, 07:13
I have something work related in Manila for a few days and since I've come all the way there it's very reasonable to add some days on for 'tourist' stuff.
Domestic situation knows that there is nothing work related for me outside of Manila so anywhere else I stay needs to have a tourist angle.
That's basically it in a nutshell.
I think I can make the tourist angle justification for staying in Clarks, I just need to look into it a little more.
Thank you.
I have something work related in Manila for a few days and since I've come all the way there it's very reasonable to add some days on for 'tourist' stuff.
Domestic situation knows that there is nothing work related for me outside of Manila so anywhere else I stay needs to have a tourist angle.
That's basically it in a nutshell.
I think I can make the tourist angle justification for staying in Clarks, I just need to look into it a little more.
Thank you.When she Googles Angeles or Clark, it leaves nothing to the imagination. Googling Subic or Sabang gives plausible denial but both have plenty of night time options. They are only a few hours from Manila.
Old And Ugly
04-10-25, 09:45
I have something work related in Manila for a few days and since I've come all the way there it's very reasonable to add some days on for 'tourist' stuff.
Domestic situation knows that there is nothing work related for me outside of Manila so anywhere else I stay needs to have a tourist angle.
That's basically it in a nutshell.
I think I can make the tourist angle justification for staying in Clarks, I just need to look into it a little more.
Thank you.Stay in Manila, adapt to the situation, and make the best of it. If the situation is fuzzy, and complicated like you say, is not worth jeopardizing your marriage by thinking with the little head. I was married twice 22 y and 8 y, I was constantly mongering, they never even suspected that, and both marriages ended amiably, for a different reason than cheating.
I have something work related in Manila for a few days and since I've come all the way there it's very reasonable to add some days on for 'tourist' stuff.
Domestic situation knows that there is nothing work related for me outside of Manila so anywhere else I stay needs to have a tourist angle.
That's basically it in a nutshell.
I think I can make the tourist angle justification for staying in Clarks, I just need to look into it a little more.
Thank you.Manila traffic is terrible, I wouldn't waste my time commuting to Clark.
Don't know how much free time you have to hobby, but if you got some coin. Not on a budget?
I'd do all my "sticking" in MNL. In general, MNL has the best looking girls in the Pi.
If you're free day time go to Malate and poke your head in the good old Manila Bay Cafe (it has a new name).Also at night time (open 24 hrs).
Night time go chasing tail in Makati Burgos st.
You can also find on-line action YMMV? Just my 2 cents opinion, have fun.
Alexandra2525
04-10-25, 10:49
When she Googles Angeles or Clark, it leaves nothing to the imagination. Googling Subic or Sabang gives plausible denial but both have plenty of night time options. They are only a few hours from Manila.Thanks, appreciate your input.
Then maybe Subic or Sabang are better options. All I need is plausible deniability, it doesn't matter if there is a 'nightlife' there as long as that's not the only thing that is there ie like Angeles / Clark.
Alexandra2525
04-10-25, 10:55
Stay in Manila, adapt to the situation, and make the best of it. If the situation is fuzzy, and complicated like you say, is not worth jeopardizing your marriage by thinking with the little head. I was married twice 22 y and 8 y, I was constantly mongering, they never even suspected that, and both marriages ended amiably, for a different reason than cheating.Thanks for understanding, obviously I didn't want to give too many personal details out but you get my drift.
I'm just worried I might go a bit stir crazy in Manila for 10 days, only a few days of that is work. I'll also be asked what I did in those spare days!
As long as I can find tourist type day trips from Manila (both for my sanity and as proof of my activities) then I could do the whole stint in Manila.....but it would be a shame not to see a little more of Ph since I've come such a long way.
Appreciate your help buddy.
Old And Ugly
04-10-25, 13:45
Thanks for understanding, obviously I didn't want to give too many personal details out but you get my drift.
I'm just worried I might go a bit stir crazy in Manila for 10 days, only a few days of that is work. I'll also be asked what I did in those spare days!
As long as I can find tourist type day trips from Manila (both for my sanity and as proof of my activities) then I could do the whole stint in Manila.....but it would be a shame not to see a little more of Ph since I've come such a long way.
Appreciate your help buddy.Hike the volcano, that's an activity that brings you to Angeles.
Alexandra2525
04-10-25, 14:45
Hike the volcano, that's an activity that brings you to Angeles.Good shout but it looks like it's a 2 hour hike in each direction. Not sure I fancy that in 30 degree heat with a hangover LOL.
Anything a bit more sedentary that you can suggest? LOL.
Good shout but it looks like it's a 2 hour hike in each direction. Not sure I fancy that in 30 degree heat with a hangover LOL.
Anything a bit more sedentary that you can suggest? LOL.Travel agents are full of such choices. I use Beeway Travel in Angeles. It doeas not take a lot of brains to walk into a travel agent in Manila, take a few notes on tours of the bay etc ad say that is what you were doing.
Don't ask me for Beeway's details; they are on FB.
If I were you, I would make a reservation at a hotel in Manila. Pay in advance so you have a receipt to show anyone who asks. Then actually stay at the ABC in Angeles. This strategy costs a little more, but it covers your tracks.
Just stay at the ABC. Having recently stayed there, it is ideal for a 2-3 night punting trip. Better than Manila. Yes, in Manila, the girls are better looking overall. But its way spread out, and you have to deal with traffic. With AC its point and shoot. I like that. The overall talent level is a little lower, but the way I see it, you are not trying to be with ALL of them, just one or two a night. And you can always find one or two that are to your liking. The only one that matters is the one you bring back to your hotel. It doesn't matter of she was the only good looking one in the bar.
You also have the advantage of flying in and out of Angeles. You can say that its easier and more reliable, which is absolutely true. After flying through Clark, I am NEVER going to fly out of Manila ever again.
Thanks, appreciate your input.
Then maybe Subic or Sabang are better options. All I need is plausible deniability, it doesn't matter if there is a 'nightlife' there as long as that's not the only thing that is there ie like Angeles / Clark.
Old And Ugly
04-11-25, 05:04
I don't know why everybody's saying that the girls in AC are not good looking, I spent Saturday evening at Kokomos, and I saw more gorgeous girls walking up and down the street than ever before, usually in pairs, and no, they were no ladyboys. I just walked around the stage in Lollipop, and there were plenty of good looking ones on display. I didn't sample the products because I had two in tow all week long already. Yes lots of Jolly Bee's enthusiasts also, but it seems that there is a market for those too, also it seems that 3 somes became the norm lately, as I saw lots of guys leaving the bars with 2 girls.
The koreans were not a heavy presence as usual, I don't know what happened. I'm in Boracay now, and a year ago it was like being in Korea Town, no koreans at all now, I don't know what happened here also, I'm one of the few foreigners, and the rest is flocks of chubby filipinas, taking time away from their busy schedule at the call centers. My GF says that is cherry blossom time in Korea, and that's probably the reason why we see no koreans in Boracay.
Alexandra2525
04-11-25, 12:54
If I were you, I would make a reservation at a hotel in Manila. Pay in advance so you have a receipt to show anyone who asks. Then actually stay at the ABC in Angeles. This strategy costs a little more, but it covers your tracks.
Just stay at the ABC. Having recently stayed there, it is ideal for a 2-3 night punting trip. Better than Manila. Yes, in Manila, the girls are better looking overall. But its way spread out, and you have to deal with traffic. With AC its point and shoot. I like that. The overall talent level is a little lower, but the way I see it, you are not trying to be with ALL of them, just one or two a night. And you can always find one or two that are to your liking. The only one that matters is the one you bring back to your hotel. It doesn't matter of she was the only good looking one in the bar.
You also have the advantage of flying in and out of Angeles. You can say that its easier and more reliable, which is absolutely true. After flying through Clark, I am NEVER going to fly out of Manila ever again.Thanks, it never occurred to me to fly into Clarks. I do need to end up in Manila because I have some work related stuff there for a few days, but I could fly into Clarks and then travel to Manila. Assuming there are flights from HK to Clarks (I will check later).
May I ask why it's so much better to fly into Clarks? I'm asking so that I can use that as an excuse to fly there rather than into Manila.
Thank you!
Expat American
04-11-25, 16:42
Thanks, it never occurred to me to fly into Clarks. I do need to end up in Manila because I have some work related stuff there for a few days, but I could fly into Clarks and then travel to Manila. Assuming there are flights from HK to Clarks (I will check later).
May I ask why it's so much better to fly into Clarks? I'm asking so that I can use that as an excuse to fly there rather than into Manila.
Thank you!It a much less busy airport. Only a few flights a day go there. No waits at immigration etc. And its only 10 min to pussy instead of 3 hours from Manila.
Thanks, it never occurred to me to fly into Clarks. I do need to end up in Manila because I have some work related stuff there for a few days, but I could fly into Clarks and then travel to Manila. Assuming there are flights from HK to Clarks (I will check later).
May I ask why it's so much better to fly into Clarks? I'm asking so that I can use that as an excuse to fly there rather than into Manila.
Thank you!That's 29 posts so far regarding this guy and his situation. Maybe we should move on from this topic or rename this thread as Alexandra2525 and his hotel situation?
Thanks, it never occurred to me to fly into Clarks. I do need to end up in Manila because I have some work related stuff there for a few days, but I could fly into Clarks and then travel to Manila. Assuming there are flights from HK to Clarks (I will check later).
May I ask why it's so much better to fly into Clarks? I'm asking so that I can use that as an excuse to fly there rather than into Manila.
Thank you!Is quieter and smaller. You seem to ask a lot of questions.
Old And Ugly
04-12-25, 01:25
That's 29 posts so far regarding this guy and his situation. Maybe we should move on from this topic or rename this thread as Alexandra2525 and his hotel situation?I tried, but nobody followed.
Alexandra2525
04-12-25, 14:39
That's 29 posts so far regarding this guy and his situation. Maybe we should move on from this topic or rename this thread as Alexandra2525 and his hotel situation?No one stopping you moving on bro, go for it.
That's 29 posts so far regarding this guy and his situation. Maybe we should move on from this topic or rename this thread as Alexandra2525 and his hotel situation?You would have to make it an International thread as he seems to have hotel questions elsewhere around the world. Also no action reports.
No one stopping you moving on bro, go for it.Bud, please calm down. Folks share what they know and feel like sharing. This is more of an hobby site. Being abrasive is not helpful.
WestCoast1
04-13-25, 06:26
No one stopping you moving on bro, go for it.
Bud, please calm down. Folks share what they know and feel like sharing. This is more of an hobby site. Korrecto, good sir.
Being abrasive is not helpful.Yes. And dammit, being abrasive is *my* job. Stay in your own lane (s).
Side note: That was a joke. I should be moderated for that? Noventa dias? Please don't report this post.
Wholeheartedly agree with Go: Moderation on the board should not be forever (banishment should be forever).
Billy Baht
04-13-25, 06:42
Hey boys, it's been a while since my last post.
I was going to try and ride out Songkran in Pattaya, but it's now 10 days of mayhem, so NFW.
I hoped on the Big Iron Bird, BKK- MNL and took a Genesis bus, P430, and arrived in AC in a relatively quick 1 hour and 20 minutes.
I went to mySKIN Dermatology clinic and had some sun damaged skin on my scalp removed by laser, P1,800 per spot and damage removed for my ear and a sample biopsied, P5,800. Biopsy was negative and my scalp no longer looks like I have leprosy, so I'm happy and more guapo than ever (at least my wallet is, 555).
I've made one bar hop on Perimeter and two on Red Street (Fields) Covid decimated Perimeter IMHO; Fields seems to have fared better.
Perimeter:
Night Moves- A lot of bikers wearing their club vests, most girls were sitting with customers and the ones onstage were wearing dresses and not moving much. My SML was P75 and they have some reasonably priced daily meal specials.
Candy Bar- Busy, only open seat was at the far end, the side with the mirrors. A girl I've known for several years came over and I bought her a P300 LD, my SML was P80. On a previous trip, I told her I'd buy her a drink if she took her panties off, she looks me square in the eys and asks (How many drinks?) LOL!
Hang Out- Bought a chunky beef pie at Fred's and ate it in Hang Out. It's open air and full with expats.
No Way- My last stop, bought a taller girl a drink, I forget the prices. Mostly average girls on stage wearing dresses but they were interacting with customers and not sitting around playing on their phones.
Fields TR comming soon.
Alexandra2525
04-13-25, 14:39
Bud, please calm down. Folks share what they know and feel like sharing. This is more of an hobby site. Being abrasive is not helpful.Brother, t'was not my intention to be abrasive. I am not here to spoil anyone's fun or troll anyone. I was merely pointing out to the brother who suggested we move on from my (admittedly quite boring) questions that I am in no way stopping that from happening.
More than one topic can be discussed on the thread at the same time and people can share their erotic tales and FRs without hindrance.
People like me who are visiting a country for the first time will always be a bit of an annoyance to the seasoned veterans, I get that.
I only have love for my brothers in this hobby. Peace ✌65039;.
Thanks, it never occurred to me to fly into Clarks. I do need to end up in Manila because I have some work related stuff there for a few days, but I could fly into Clarks and then travel to Manila. Assuming there are flights from HK to Clarks (I will check later).
May I ask why it's so much better to fly into Clarks? I'm asking so that I can use that as an excuse to fly there rather than into Manila.
Thank you!Its probably OK to fly INTO Manila. I probably wouldn't mind doing that if I had to. The only delay would be customs.
Just don't fly OUT of Manila. Getting to the airport takes forever, and traffic makes getting there unreliable. It can take forever to check in and get through security and customs. It has been rated literally the worst airport in the world in the past.
Angeles is like a small city American airport. It has more flights than you think. Check the wikipedia page.
Just don't fly OUT of Manila. Getting to the airport takes forever, and traffic makes getting there unreliable. It can take forever to check in and get through security and customs. It has been rated literally the worst airport in the world in the past.
Angeles is like a small city American airport. It has more flights than you think. Check the wikipedia page.Especially if he is flying through the wrong terminal. Terminal 3 isn't too bad but T1 and 2 suck big time T4 is even worse but I don't think it does any international flights.
Just don't fly OUT of Manila. Getting to the airport takes forever, and traffic makes getting there unreliable. It can take forever to check in and get through security and customs.Hi Manny,
Good advice but the vast majority of us don't have a choice where we depart from to get back home.
I always get my timing right when departing at midnight from terminal 1 at MNL.
Afternoon is spent bedding a Manila contact.
Have a few drinks and a meal at the rooftop bar.
Mix some Tanduay and Coke in a bottle and get a metered taxi from the Makati hotel to the airport.
I just allow plenty of time for all of this to happen.
Check the bags in when at Terminal 1.
Then Relax.
Go outside and sip on the Tanduay cocktail and observe the mayhem outside.
Go through customs.
Get on plane (eventually).
Then sleep.
_ Phil.
FuriousGeorge
04-16-25, 07:56
I take LAX-NAIA. Have done it enough times to get it down. On the way there, take the night flight (there are only 2) and get a window seat. Get a malleable pillow. 2 hours into the flight, take 2 ambien (I'm a horse, your mileage may vary). Lean against the wall with your pillow and you will time travel 8 hours into the future. Then watch one movie, and you are there, in the morning. No jet lag, it's like nothing changed. On your way back, also take the night flight. Luckily the NAIA terminal in the last 2 years is a lot better than it was. But yeah you're going to have to hang out there for a few hours. Do the same thing with the pillow and ambien. The problem is that you're going to arrive at night having slept another 8 hours, and that's when you have to deal with the jet lag. But hell, you're back home in hell and what's another layer of hell added on? Deal with it. It's worth it.
Alexandra2525
04-17-25, 06:56
Thanks everyone, the advice is very much appreciated.
Curious GFe
04-18-25, 20:36
Nowadays, many travelers choose to fly into Clark International Airport (CRK) because of its competitively priced routes and the Philippine government's active promotion of the airport. From CRK, you can easily explore Angeles City and nearby Mabalacat, or catch the convenient Clark Airport Shuttle Bus straight to Manila. In line with the "Global Hub of the North" initiative, numerous offices and BPO companies are relocating to the Clark Freeport Zone, further boosting the region's economic growth.
Old And Ugly
04-20-25, 16:48
Happy Easter Everybody! Kind of quiet tonight on the Red Street, compared to the past 2 days.
Old And Ugly
04-20-25, 19:58
I didn't barfined in long time, but yesterday me and my GF fucked a pretty submissive girl from 123, a 7, but when smiling an 8 in my book, tall, long legs, kind of skinny, with small tits, but well proportioned. Total damage 6600.
2 drinks 150 X2 , 2 lady drinks 350 X2 (BG & waitress), waitress tip 100, barfine 5000 and 500 tip for the girl when she left. We rented her services from 6 PM until 1 AM. She fucked, sucked, and licked like it was the end of the world. We were pleased with the selection, and I have to mention it again: beautiful smile! She was recommended by my old acquaintance, the waitress, it pays to keep a few waitresses on the "payroll".
Old And Ugly
04-21-25, 05:18
11 AM, GF is doing the hair across the street, and she sent me hunting. Brown Sugar was dead, Aces also, both wit only 2 fat dancers on stage, Soya was up and running, plenty of girls, and Koreans smoking. Invited the tallest prettiest one for a drink, she was a solid 9, can't give her a 10 because that's forbidden. Her name was Ea, Aya, something along those lines, from Bohol, 22, no kids, and a good conversationalist, even before I asked I knew that she was a korean only girl from her english with a korean accent. Very flirty but she said that she doesn't fuck today, I said ok then we do only BJ, but still refused making up some excuse, maybe I'm too ugly, too old, or just the wrong ethnicity, anyway I understand that, because fucking is kind of the most intimate thing you'll do. Since I had her drinking the LD that I bought for her, I took the opportunity to interview her on her fantasies, the spit or swallow question, and willingness to lick pussy. Was fun, regardless of the refusal, because I tend to get something good even from a bad situation. I was thinking that in 2 days time I will be in the US, where having such a conversation with a attractive young girl over a $7 drink is just pure fantasy, a fast track to jail for harassment, or an embarrassing session of public shaming.
I was thinking that in 2 days time I will be in the US, where having such a conversation with a attractive young girl over a $7 drink is just pure fantasy, a fast track to jail for harassment, or an embarrassing session of public shaming.Great quote Ugly.
Hence, why some of us travel for some normality.
_Phil.
Expat American
04-22-25, 09:26
11 AM, GF is doing the hair across the street, and she sent me hunting. Brown Sugar was dead, Aces also, both wit only 2 fat dancers on stage, Soya was up and running, plenty of girls, and Koreans smoking. Invited the tallest prettiest one for a drink, she was a solid 9, can't give her a 10 because that's forbidden. Her name was Ea, Aya, something along those lines, from Bohol, 22, no kids, and a good conversationalist, even before I asked I knew that she was a korean only girl from her english with a korean accent. Very flirty but she said that she doesn't fuck today, I said ok then we do only BJ, but still refused making up some excuse, maybe I'm too ugly, too old, or just the wrong ethnicity, anyway I understand that, because fucking is kind of the most intimate thing you'll do. Since I had her drinking the LD that I bought for her, I took the opportunity to interview her on her fantasies, the spit or swallow question, and willingness to lick pussy. Was fun, regardless of the refusal, because I tend to get something good even from a bad situation. I was thinking that in 2 days time I will be in the US, where having such a conversation with a attractive young girl over a $7 drink is just pure fantasy, a fast track to jail for harassment, or an embarrassing session of public shaming.That's true but does'nt make up for the fact that you flew 10000 miles to get rejected by a farm girl prostitute in a shit hole town. Just sayin.
Old And Ugly
04-23-25, 11:56
That's true but does'nt make up for the fact that you flew 10000 miles to get rejected by a farm girl prostitute in a shit hole town. Just sayin.I didn't have to fly because I live here, but right now I'm doing it in reverse, I'm flying 10000 miles to the land of total rejection, hopefully for only 2-3 weeks. I'm in ICN now, and I already miss the 3rd world. You're right about the hooker, but what can you do, beside making an offer that she can't refuse, then fuck her in the ass then in the mouth? But I didn't want to waste any more money than I did for the LD. Yes there are workarounds, but not worth it. Lesson learned: ask before buying the LD.
WestCoast1
04-23-25, 14:23
then fuck her in the ass then in the mouth?Romance never dies.
I didn't have to fly because I live here, but right now I'm doing it in reverse, I'm flying 10000 miles to the land of total rejection, hopefully for only 2-3 weeks. I'm in ICN now, and I already miss the 3rd world. You're right about the hooker, but what can you do, beside making an offer that she can't refuse, then fuck her in the ass then in the mouth?
Romance never dies.It's obvious here that Ugly is replying to Expat's misunderstanding of the situation, and Westie's clever observation.
Admins, I think it's time we need a 'like' feature here, similar to the social media sites.
_Phil.
Expat American
04-23-25, 17:03
I didn't have to fly because I live here, but right now I'm doing it in reverse, I'm flying 10000 miles to the land of total rejection, hopefully for only 2-3 weeks. I'm in ICN now, and I already miss the 3rd world. You're right about the hooker, but what can you do, beside making an offer that she can't refuse, then fuck her in the ass then in the mouth? But I didn't want to waste any more money than I did for the LD. Yes there are workarounds, but not worth it. Lesson learned: ask before buying the LD.Not so bad then. But lesson still applies to those flying in from US / EU etc. I live in Singapore and don't even bother to go there anymore. I can fuck Thai girls locally for less money than a AC bar girl.
I'm in the Philippines for work and will take time to dive the wrecks of subic, and enjoy the nightlife there of course.
I got to say that I'm considering omitting AC from my itinerary based on the comments that the girls are not the same quality as previous times.
Another worry is the multitude of videos on youtube showing clearly guys walking home with their newly aquired girls. See youtube user 'IRL Media PH' if you need to see an example. The risk of being caught like this is probably quite low, but the consequences would be devastating.
I miss the simpler times without all this bullshit covert filming and posting on the Internet.
WestCoast1
04-24-25, 06:49
Another worry is the multitude of videos on youtube showing clearly guys walking home with their newly aquired girls. See youtube user 'IRL Media PH' if you need to see an example. The risk of being caught like this is probably quite low, but the consequences would be devastating.Being filmed or photographed on WS has always been an issue. You take the chance of being discovered. A few screen-shots from the IRL Media reels attached.
Being filmed or photographed on WS has always been an issue. You take the chance of being discovered. A few screen-shots from the IRL Media reels attached.I thought they cracked down on filming on WS at night after a few streamers got the shit kicked out of them??
I'll admit I felt sorry for them but now lots of the things they do are inviting retribution.
G.
I thought they cracked down on filming on WS at night after a few streamers got the shit kicked out of them??
I'll admit I felt sorry for them but now lots of the things they do are inviting retribution.G.Never heard of that. I am and one viderp thugh it is very unlikely to do me dagage in the unlikely event anyone of consequence sees it.
I checked out the youtube channel the guy mentioned and they are very intrusive, not as bad as the black Yank, wh thouhgt every woman was a hooker but sticking videoes into people's faces is not nice. Were hey to do that in a Western red light district, say Amsterdam or LA, there would be immeidiate consequences. Plus, there is no information there but the voyeur market is huge.
Who did the beatingup, locals or "tourists"?
Never heard of that. I am and one viderp thugh it is very unlikely to do me dagage in the unlikely event anyone of consequence sees it.
I checked out the youtube channel the guy mentioned and they are very intrusive, not as bad as the black Yank, wh thouhgt every woman was a hooker but sticking videoes into people's faces is not nice. Were hey to do that in a Western red light district, say Amsterdam or LA, there would be immeidiate consequences. Plus, there is no information there but the voyeur market is huge.
Who did the beatingup, locals or "tourists"?After the black guy you mentioned, a few guys were beaten up mostly by "security" staff both local and Korean. There have also been a few white on white fights but more alcohol induced than anything.
Old And Ugly
04-24-25, 14:24
Not so bad then. But lesson still applies to those flying in from US / EU etc. I live in Singapore and don't even bother to go there anymore. I can fuck Thai girls locally for less money than a AC bar girl.That's good, probably higher quality too, but by living in Singapore more likely you're making big money, and can afford to spend it there. Me on the other hand I'm not making any anywhere, just spending it, so I stay away from expensive places as much as possible, for example I'm going to Singapore only if flying some place from there, or going on a cruise that starts there, or maybe meeting some friends. I do travel a lot, but mostly to relatively cheap destinations. I like it in the PH, but I'm also maybe forced by circumstances to hang around here mostly, anyway I'm trying to make the best out of it.
After the black guy you mentioned, a few guys were beaten up mostly by "security" staff both local and Korean. There have also been a few white on white fights but more alcohol induced than anything.How intrusive were those videos that they elicited such a response and how bad were the beatings? It seems this was a cordianted attack, pointing to a mafia and, if vloggers are fair game, who else is?
That's good, probably higher quality too, but by living in Singapore more likely you're making big money, and can afford to spend it there. Me on the other hand I'm not making any anywhere, just spending it, so I stay away from expensive places as much as possible, for example I'm going to Singapore only if flying some place from there, or going on a cruise that starts there, or maybe meeting some friends. I do travel a lot, but mostly to relatively cheap destinations. I like it in the PH, but I'm also maybe forced by circumstances to hang around here mostly, anyway I'm trying to make the best out of it.It all depends on the length of stay. Many have commented that if only staying a week or so and paying for flights, accomm, 5 k shots etc, then all in it's cheaper to stay at home. OTOH, being retired or on extended holiday and heading out into the provinces, swings the balance the other way.
How intrusive were those videos that they elicited such a response and how bad were the beatings? It seems this was a cordianted attack, pointing to a mafia and, if vloggers are fair game, who else is?I think Joe Q Citizen is fairly safe from assault simply walking down Walking Street. Now, potentially destroying someone's life or damaging businesses run by potentially very shady people, all for the sake of a vlog, and 'fuck around and find out' is likely to appear very quickly.
Enjoy. G.
Alexandra2525
04-25-25, 07:33
I have very little sympathy for many of the vloggers. They will potentially ruin someone's life with those videos. Yes it's a public place etc but it still annoys me.
And some vloggers stop every girl they see in the street that looks like a FL and start asking about prices and services when they have no intention of taking them home ie just wasting the time of someone trying to make a living.
I have very little sympathy for many of the vloggers. They will potentially ruin someone's life with those videos. Yes it's a public place etc but it still annoys me.
And some vloggers stop every girl they see in the street that looks like a FL and start asking about prices and services when they have no intention of taking them home ie just wasting the time of someone trying to make a living.I totally agree, all of them a a form a life equal to bacteria. They don't care about anything but getting views. Hopefully the Philippine Government will start throwing some of these aHoles in Jail.
Mr Enternational
04-25-25, 10:30
And some vloggers stop every girl they see in the street that looks like a FL and start asking about prices and services when they have no intention of taking them home ie just wasting the time of someone trying to make a living.Then it is supposed to shock online that there are actually hookers on earth. What is the big fucking deal in seeing some hookers? These young folks are crazy.
Old And Ugly
04-25-25, 10:37
I totally agree, all of them a a form a life equal to bacteria. They don't care about anything but getting views. Hopefully the Philippine Government will start throwing some of these aHoles in Jail.I think this is the new way of life, people become famous not for discovering the cure for cancer, or inventing the longitudinal sliced bread, but for the most idiotic, make no sense reasons (see Kardashians), we just have to adapt, because there is no reset button, and it will get worse, the movie Idiocracy is an accurate glimpse into the future.
Somebody sent me this great pic, that says a lot about this situation.
Alexandra2525
04-25-25, 12:40
I think this is the new way of life, people become famous not for discovering the cure for cancer, or inventing the longitudinal sliced bread, but for the most idiotic, make no sense reasons (see Kardashians), we just have to adapt, because there is no reset button, and it will get worse, the movie Idiocracy is an accurate glimpse into the future.
Somebody sent me this great pic, that says a lot about this situation.That pic / quote sums it up nicely!
I'm going way off topic here but I've been to some war graves / memorials where the youngsters are taking selfies with that ridiculous two finger pose and pouting / smiling. Not one of them stopped to read the the information provided and actually learn something about those that made the ultimate sacrifice. Only interested in a selfie to put on their insta. I had to bite my lip as I found it incredibly distasteful.
Sorry, going off topic!
Expat American
04-25-25, 13:39
That's good, probably higher quality too, but by living in Singapore more likely you're making big money, and can afford to spend it there. Me on the other hand I'm not making any anywhere, just spending it, so I stay away from expensive places as much as possible, for example I'm going to Singapore only if flying some place from there, or going on a cruise that starts there, or maybe meeting some friends. I do travel a lot, but mostly to relatively cheap destinations. I like it in the PH, but I'm also maybe forced by circumstances to hang around here mostly, anyway I'm trying to make the best out of it.Living somewhere is a totally different equation. You have so many better options than an AC bar girl and sounds you have a good GF situation as well. So enjoy!
Exoticspirit
04-25-25, 20:01
I assume there are two major types of bars in AC with the first being the girly bars like Insomnia where the majority of the girls inside will be dressed similar and therefore the ones available for takeout at barfine rates. The second would be more or less nightclubs where there might be lots of local groups of 'non-working' girls in different street or night out to party clothes dancing and drinking together. I think these are more like public bars and although some of these local girls might be available for take out, they would be freelancers not working under that nightclub's rules.
The nightclub type of bars would therefore be the hotspots to party for young folks locals and tourists alike. For older guys like me and my buddy who are both in our 60's, I'm thinking that it's the girly bars that would be the primary spots for us and the nightclub type of bars would be a complete waste of time (and probably too darn loud anyway) for us. Our main objective coming to AC is to monger rather than spend time trying to smooze any young non-working locals.
Thoughts on this?
Mr Enternational
04-25-25, 20:45
The nightclub type of bars would therefore be the hotspots to party for young folks locals and tourists alike. For older guys like me and my buddy who are both in our 60's, I'm thinking that it's the girly bars that would be the primary spots for us and the nightclub type of bars would be a complete waste of time (and probably too darn loud anyway) for us. Our main objective coming to AC is to monger rather than spend time trying to smooze any young non-working locals.
Thoughts on this?You are not smoozing anyone. There ain't many local chicks who can go throw away money partying on a random night. You will find as you said that the girls in the nightclubs are hookers too. And they will run you way less money than paying barfines. The drawback is the time. You have to keep later hours for the clubs. But you can give those chicks 2000 pesos for all night versus whatever bar fines are that have to be split between the girl and the bar. So if you are paying 4000 barfine with the girl only getting 2000, you can find a freelancer for 2000 where you do not have to bother paying a share to a bar. I have always been a freelancer guy and have done very little barfining.
FuriousGeorge
04-25-25, 20:51
Yes, mostly correct. Although up until probably early 50's if you are fit and properly dressed, you can still pull hot civilians from the nightclubs. MegaDance, Hammer, and Aqua being the main ones. I have had a lot of fun at these places but I never plan on pulling a girl, although it does happen. If you stay for a few weeks it can be a fun break, and there are a LOT of stunners, so sometimes it's worth it just to watch the girls. Split a table with some buddies and get a bunch of drinks and invite girls to join. If you have limited time and want to maximize getting laid, stick to the girlie bars.
I assume there are two major types of bars in AC with the first being the girly bars like Insomnia where the majority of the girls inside will be dressed similar and therefore the ones available for takeout at barfine rates. The second would be more or less nightclubs where there might be lots of local groups of 'non-working' girls in different street or night out to party clothes dancing and drinking together. I think these are more like public bars and although some of these local girls might be available for take out, they would be freelancers not working under that nightclub's rules.
The nightclub type of bars would therefore be the hotspots to party for young folks locals and tourists alike. For older guys like me and my buddy who are both in our 60's, I'm thinking that it's the girly bars that would be the primary spots for us and the nightclub type of bars would be a complete waste of time (and probably too darn loud anyway) for us. Our main objective coming to AC is to monger rather than spend time trying to smooze any young non-working locals.
Thoughts on this?
Exoticspirit
04-25-25, 23:59
Yes, mostly correct. Although up until probably early 50's if you are fit and properly dressed, you can still pull hot civilians from the nightclubs. MegaDance, Hammer, and Aqua being the main ones. I have had a lot of fun at these places but I never plan on pulling a girl, although it does happen. If you stay for a few weeks it can be a fun break, and there are a LOT of stunners, so sometimes it's worth it just to watch the girls. Split a table with some buddies and get a bunch of drinks and invite girls to join. If you have limited time and want to maximize getting laid, stick to the girlie bars.Thanks. So if we see a group of girls that look like locals going into a club, can we assume that it's not a girly bar?
Old And Ugly
04-26-25, 00:56
Thanks. So if we see a group of girls that look like locals going into a club, can we assume that it's not a girly bar?They are all locals, not too many filipino visitors coming to Angeles for fun. Most likely freelancers, or bar girls after the shift is over.
Thanks. So if we see a group of girls that look like locals going into a club, can we assume that it's not a girly bar?One can assume a Club is not a girly bar. A girly bar is not a club.
Heads up fellas.
Girls are texting me the past 2 days to meet up. Main reason is rent is coming due in a few days. FYI, some girls will be headed back to the provinces to vote on May 12th. Probably in need of ticket money!
Heads up fellas.
Girls are texting me the past 2 days to meet up. Main reason is rent is coming due in a few days. FYI, some girls will be headed back to the provinces to vote on May 12th. Probably in need of ticket money!You mean that girls will be arriving in Mindanao short on cash? That's so unfortunate. 😜.
G.
NapaSlapper
05-01-25, 11:01
Whats been happening in the bars of red street over the last few weeks and a few thoughts.
Well its probably best to start off with a south Korean was shot dead in broad daylight by motorbike riding bag snatchers, heard from 1st hand account that the korean did not resist giving up his bag but got shot dead anyway.
Hear of many reports on a weekly basis of tourists / expats getting their phones, bags, money, belongings snatched by motorbike riding thieves, stay safe out there guys and hide your valuables or don't take them outside at all.
Bars, well there are western oriented bars and korean oriented bars on red street, the western bars are a small amount compared to the korean bars.
Western bars tend to be smaller bars, some of the favourite and well known ones are, lollipop bar, geckos, bar, masquarade bar, champagne bar, local punter beers tend to range from 100 peso to 140 peso normally, lady drinks 300 peso to 350 peso (normally small juice) barfines run 4000 peso to 5,000 peso short time according to management / owners.
Western bars mainly have between 2 and 12 odd bar girls, girls here tend to be more of the plumper, older, plain type (and that's being kind) did not buy any lady drinks on several quick visits to these bars at all due to no girls seen of our type.
Korean bars, bars much bigger, better decor, ambience, many more girls in general working in the korean bars, smaller korean bars 15 to 20 girls, larger show bars 25 to 50 girls, local beers 100 peso to 200 peso, lady drinks 350 peso to 400+ peso, barfines mainly 6,000+ peso short time.
Many of the better looking, slimmer, younger girls in the Korean bars are show girls only, these girls are employed to put on professional dance routines in beautiful costumes and do not barfine with anyone, many girls are drinks only girls, many girls are strictly korean only girls, some of the better lookers are cherry girls (virgins) some girls (very few) in the smaller korean non show bars will drink and barfine with westerners but only the girls the koreans have rejected will accept westerners in truth, it is what it is comes to mind.
In summing up, koreans outnumber westerners by huge amounts, koreans are extremely popular amongst the girls that will actually barfine, stories of westerners outfoxing koreans on their own patch and getting with the cuties in front of the koreans is just that stories IMHO.
The town in generally remains very quiet indeed for western tourist, even the korean numbers have dipped a touch after the news of the koreans murder on the streets hit the asian / world news but still by far the dominant race by a long long way as far as the girls, then very few lookers around in any bars.
NapaSlapper
05-01-25, 15:39
You mean that girls will be arriving in Mindanao short on cash? That's so unfortunate..Normally find the type of girls that have no cash are the type that find it hard to attract such.
As we all know even an average looking, young pinay putting her profile up on any online dating / meeting site will have every simpleton the world over sending large sums of money on a very regular basis to said girls mostly without ever meeting in person.
Morale of the story, some girls have the means to earn well and have plenty of peso at all times, some girls not so much so.
Normally find the type of girls that have no cash are the type that find it hard to attract such.
My comment was very much tongue in cheek. However, LNY, Ramadan, Holy Week etc can all be worked to a monger's advantage.
While you're right, the flip side is that those who make the most money also spend it the fastest.
Long term saving strategies aren't exactly hookers' strong suit anywhere.
G.
Exoticspirit
05-02-25, 17:46
Whats been happening in the bars of red street over the last few weeks and a few thoughts.
Well its probably best to start off with a south Korean was shot dead in broad daylight by motorbike riding bag snatchers, heard from 1st hand account that the korean did not resist giving up his bag but got shot dead anyway.
Hear of many reports on a weekly basis of tourists / expats getting their phones, bags, money, belongings snatched by motorbike riding thieves, stay safe out there guys and hide your valuables or don't take them outside at all.
Bars, well there are western oriented bars and korean oriented bars on red street, the western bars are a small amount compared to the korean bars.
Western bars tend to be smaller bars, some of the favourite and well known ones are, lollipop bar, geckos, bar, masquarade bar, champagne bar, local punter beers tend to range from 100 peso to 140 peso normally, lady drinks 300 peso to 350 peso (normally small juice) barfines run 4000 peso to 5,000 peso short time according to management / owners.
Western bars mainly have between 2 and 12 odd bar girls, girls here tend to be more of the plumper, older, plain type (and that's being kind) did not buy any lady drinks on several quick visits to these bars at all due to no girls seen of our type.
Korean bars, bars much bigger, better decor, ambience, many more girls in general working in the korean bars, smaller korean bars 15 to 20 girls, larger show bars 25 to 50 girls, local beers 100 peso to 200 peso, lady drinks 350 peso to 400+ peso, barfines mainly 6,000+ peso short time.
Many of the better looking, slimmer, younger girls in the Korean bars are show girls only, these girls are employed to put on professional dance routines in beautiful costumes and do not barfine with anyone, many girls are drinks only girls, many girls are strictly korean only girls, some of the better lookers are cherry girls (virgins) some girls (very few) in the smaller korean non show bars will drink and barfine with westerners but only the girls the koreans have rejected will accept westerners in truth, it is what it is comes to mind.
In summing up, koreans outnumber westerners by huge amounts, koreans are extremely popular amongst the girls that will actually barfine, stories of westerners outfoxing koreans on their own patch and getting with the cuties in front of the koreans is just that stories IMHO.
The town in generally remains very quiet indeed for western tourist, even the korean numbers have dipped a touch after the news of the koreans murder on the streets hit the asian / world news but still by far the dominant race by a long long way as far as the girls, then very few lookers around in any bars.Thanks for the report. If the western bars are low potential around red st, I imagine the perimeter bars would be even worse.
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