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The dental center at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital on Sukhumvit charges around 1300 baht for teeth cleaning and includes X-rays of your side teeth in the price.
Another place which seems good is PIDC on Soi Buakhao just across from Soi Honey.
I would be wary of all these clinics around the place. So I pay up for proper treatment.Thanks for all the referrals.
Crazy4Thai
08-29-18, 14:35
Thought someone might have some good useful experience.
Can I apply for a six month multi-entry Visa to Thailand from Singapore? (SNIP)I am 99% certain that the rule of applying in your home country is still in effect. I also get the impression from my reading on Thai Visa forum that Singapore is not the easiest location to just get a tourist visa. Mongering there can be a good experience out of Orchard Tower but you are going to pay Monkey Paw prices.
Arthur Bishop
08-30-18, 02:18
Thought someone might have some good useful experience.
Can I apply for a six month multi-entry Visa to Thailand from Singapore? Only applied from home country previously. Is Singapore a good place or is somewhere else nearby better? I expect to be in Singapore for a reasonable period.
How long can one stay in Singapore without a Visa, as a tourist. LOL I only stayed a few days previously?
I was not that impressed by girl talent in Geylang and in Orchard Tower previously. Are their great places for slim pretty models, preferably without surgeries, or am I better off coming back to Bangkok for long weekends, and saving expensive Singapore Hotel costs. Maybe my previous survey was a bit too quick.
Am I better off taking a Thai girl to Singapore with me for a while? LOL The worry is she might want to go shopping. Ouch!Most passports get a 90 day stay in Singapore. You can always go to Johor in Malaysia (30 minute drive), if you want to extend your stay beyond 90 days. You can get a tourist single entry visa to Thailand in Singapore, if you want a multiple entry, they will ask for proof of residence or work permit in Singapore. There is good talent in Brix and OT, but prices a ridiculously higher vs Thailand. Option to bring a GF from Thailand will make economical sense, suggest you read Singapore forum to learn do's and don'ts to avoid entry denial to the girl, if she is travelling to Singapore on her own. You can also check the KL forum to see, if getting a multiple entry visa to Thailand there is any easier.
I am 99% certain that the rule of applying in your home country is still in effect. I also get the impression from my reading on Thai Visa forum that Singapore is not the easiest location to just get a tourist visa. Mongering there can be a good experience out of Orchard Tower but you are going to pay Monkey Paw prices.Thanks, yes that seems to be the case re ME Visas. I have to look at other options such as single entry Visa to Thailand.
I did not pay close attention to what Monkey P prices were but I get the drift. Might go for quickie in Geylang if very desperate, or bring my own sex bomb from Thailand with really good English. She has been there before with me.
Get the APEC card or start the process. You can do in several countries in the region. Makes travel easier and shorter lines.
Thanks, yes that seems to be the case re ME Visas. I have to look at other options such as single entry Visa to Thailand.
I did not pay close attention to what Monkey P prices were but I get the drift. Might go for quickie in Geylang if very desperate, or bring my own sex bomb from Thailand with really good English. She has been there before with me.
HorseTrader
09-03-18, 00:21
I haven't seen anything recent regarding price and availability of Levitra along Sukhumvit. Is it available in the pharmacies or do I need to buy from a street vendor, such as those that post near Soi 11? I believe I've seen Levitra at the street vendors. Are the generics working as well as the name brand Levitra? Years ago someone posted a suggestion to buy generic from the same manufacturer as Kamagra.
I've never tried Levitra, but a friend tells me that he doesn't get the nasty side effects associated with Viagra and Cialis. In my part of USA, the lowest price I can find is $520 for 10 pills. Gasp!
I arrive in BKK in about 6 weeks.
Gladiator69
09-03-18, 04:03
I haven't seen anything recent regarding price and availability of Levitra along Sukhumvit. Is it available in the pharmacies or do I need to buy from a street vendor, such as those that post near Soi 11? I believe I've seen Levitra at the street vendors. Are the generics working as well as the name brand Levitra? Years ago someone posted a suggestion to buy generic from the same manufacturer as Kamagra.
I've never tried Levitra, but a friend tells me that he doesn't get the nasty side effects associated with Viagra and Cialis. In my part of USA, the lowest price I can find is $520 for 10 pills. Gasp!
I arrive in BKK in about 6 weeks.Any pharmacy on Sukhumvit should have it, although it's not as popular as Viagra and Cialis. I usually get them from Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 and staffs there were helpful. It's not as expensive as in the USA, but it's more like 2000 baht for 4. In my experience, generics are not as potent as the genuine brand name drugs.
Went to Thailand for the first time last week. I spent 2 nights in Bangkok and 5 Nights in Pattaya. Plenty of time as by the third day the jet lag / alcohol consumption caught up with me and I was exhausted. I made a lot of rookie mistakes while there but know better now. Here is a summary of what happened.Thank you for sharing both positive and negative moments. Looks like experience with soapy massage was 100% satisfying and go-go experience was hardly worth paying money at all.
HorseTrader
09-03-18, 05:33
Any pharmacy on Sukhumvit should have it, although it's not as popular as Viagra and Cialis. I usually get them from Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 and staffs there were helpful. It's not as expensive as in the USA, but it's more like 2000 baht for 4. In my experience, generics are not as potent as the genuine brand name drugs.Thanks. That comes out to about $15 per pill, much better than the $52 per pill it costs in USA.
I would probably agree with your comments about "generics are not as potent as the genuine brand name drugs. " I've used Kamagra in the 100 MG pouches. Sometimes it works nicely, sometimes it doesn't. My genuine Viagra works the same every time (including the nasty side effects).
Houston Player
09-03-18, 06:46
Thanks. That comes out to about $15 per pill, much better than the $52 per pill it costs in USA.I buy Levitra from the pharmacy on Sukhumvit between Soi 2 and 4. The 20 MG 4 pack is 1800 baht. I find that for me taking the least amount possible while achieving the desired results will have the least amount of side effects. In fact the more often I use it the less side effects I experience. I think Levitra is only supposed to last about 4-5 hours however ID I take it often I seem to get some blood level buildup so it lasts longer. I cut each pill into 4 ths so I'm only taking 5 MG and that works well for me. At 1800 baht that equals 16 doses at about $3. 50 per dose.
Thanks. That comes out to about $15 per pill, much better than the $52 per pill it costs in USA.
I would probably agree with your comments about "generics are not as potent as the genuine brand name drugs. " I've used Kamagra in the 100 MG pouches. Sometimes it works nicely, sometimes it doesn't. My genuine Viagra works the same every time (including the nasty side effects).Any pill can vary in efficiency. Depends greatly which girl you are fucking, for how long, how long since the last fuck, is it late and you are tired, did you just eat a big meal, have you been drinking alcohol or worse cough medicine, etc.
In the right circumstances a small piece of Kamagra would work quite well for me. Don't find it unreliable that could not be explained by other things. I believe you have to vary the does depending on circumstances. It normally produces effect of getting hard extra quick and easy and staying hard for long time.
I don't take it with GF, since I usually do her daytime, not after big meal, after good sleep, BBFS, usually a while since last one, tight perfect pussy, etc. No difficulties for dick to rise quickly with her being well used to her, and no marathon sex with her. Also I think she would notice if dick goes up too quick with no apparent reason or cause.
For me, both Cialis and generics (Apcalis) were quite ineffective in producing anything noticeably different from normal. Perhaps dose was too low, or all were fake. LOL Actually first time I tried Cialis, in Thailand, it seemed to work and taste like Viagra. I tended to believe I was getting a fake actually generic Viagra instead labelled as Cialis but not actually Cialis. Real Cialis or Apcalis tasted very different. You need to buy from somewhere reasonably trusted to supply something reliable.
At the prices mentioned, I really doubt that they purport to be selling a generic Levitra, don't know if a generic exists, but I will ask them next time, and why Levitra might be better for some. 2000 Baht sounds like prices for genuine article to me. Generics are normally vastly cheaper. Still I am speculating, just the whole story sounds weird to me. Why would a generic cost 2000 Baht? Ridiculous.
Actually I am pretty satisfied with a high power effect of Kamagra (or Sidegra) in a short time, and usually a piece will do even for unco-operative girls within reason. Avoid eating a meal before sex and avoid alcohol, and I find I know is working (can feel face flushing) after 20 minutes maybe even 15 sometimes. If your dick works reasonably, you don't even need it to have immediate action. You get the confidence from knowing a boost will kick in soon. You might start by going to the room, take a shower, then with foreplay including DATY, maybe then get a BBBJ getting the dick up naturally. The if Kamagra starts to kick in at 30 min mark, not a problem really, but I find it is rather quicker than that. I never go for immediate BJ and fucking anyway, and can probably at least start the fucking unassisted.
Never take cough medicine. LOL I found that it caused major dulling the senses of the dick as well as the throat. Okay For guys too sensitive, if they need their dick dulled down, to avoid exploding on first pussy contact. LOL.
Thank you for sharing both positive and negative moments. Looks like experience with soapy massage was 100% satisfying and go-go experience was hardly worth paying money at all.Hard to generalise. It just depends on the girl chosen, IMHO. I have had good and bad experiences at both Gogos and soapies in recent years. Not like 15 to 20 years ago when soapie girls were almost always good. Success rate in Gogos declined severely as well.
Gladiator69
09-03-18, 15:22
At the prices mentioned, I really doubt that they purport to be selling a generic Levitra, don't know if a generic exists, but I will ask them next time, and why Levitra might be better for some. 2000 Baht sounds like prices for genuine article to me. Generics are normally vastly cheaper. Still I am speculating, just the whole story sounds weird to me. Why would a generic cost 2000 Baht? Ridiculous.The generics I bought was about 500 Baht for 4; 2000 Baht for 4 was genuine brand name. Apcalis wasn't as strong as Cialis for me. I was looking for 5 MG Cialis, but they only had 20 MG. Didn't bother to cut it, just took one every other day and take a 50 MG Viagra / Sidegra right before I went pussy hunting on the days I didn't take Cialis. Didn't experience much side effect, I felt it was more like jet lag. Reaction time and quality of erection was like I was a teenager again. Just looking at a sexy lady walking pass on the street got me rock hard immediately.
For those who want to last longer in bed, especially when I found a hot lady and wanted to fuck her a long time, I found KY Duration spray / gel useful. I always made an excuse to use the bathroom before I took the lady out to my hotel, put a few sprays on junior (takes about 10-30 minutes to work, it's perfect timing by the time we got back to the hotel), took a shower with the lady and washed it off before the deed. Boom! 20-30 minutes of breathtaking, sweaty, penetrative sex was not a problem (not including foreplay).
HorseTrader
09-03-18, 20:19
Any pill can vary in efficiency. Depends greatly which girl you are fucking, for how long, how long since the last fuck, is it late and you are tired, did you just eat a big meal, have you been drinking alcohol or worse cough medicine, etc.I agree with your point about different conditions will result in different effectiveness, even with the same pill. I also agree with the points you make about being tired, time since last fuck, hotness of the girl, alcohol, and full stomach; they all make a difference. A big difference.
I have much experience with real USA Viagra, it has been consistent for me (given the same conditions). I've also taken two versions of generic Viagra tablets from Mexico; same performance as genuine Viagra. It is only the Kamagra that has been inconsistent for me. Sometimes it works great, other times not so much. Perhaps I sometimes don't get all of the gel out of the packet and into my stomach, that is possible. I wonder if, perhaps, the packets are not all filled the same. I have a laboratory scale, perhaps I will weigh a few packets to see if they are all the same weight.
Crocodilexp
09-03-18, 23:01
It is only the Kamagra that has been inconsistent for me. Sometimes it works great, other times not so much.
I concur with this, Kamagra can be inconsistent. Even the packaging of Kamagra jelly is not consistent. The Thai generic, Sidegra, tends to be more consistent, although there's always some variation due to other factors.
Apcalis from Sukhumbvit (Foodland Soi 5 pharmacy) never worked for me at all, although Apcalis from other countries did.
Apcalis from Sukhumbvit (Foodland Soi 5 pharmacy) never worked for me at all, although Apcalis from other countries did.I never had any useful enhancement from Apcalis, but only tried it in Thailand. Years earlier fake Cialis worked, but was clearly not Cialis. Probably was Sildenafil based on the taste of it. Real Cialis has a completely different taste I think, Or maybe I never had the real stuff. Memory fades.
I wonder if there can be fake Kamagra (meaning from a different source) around as well, which could explain big variation in performance for some. I don't like to blame the tools unless the results are consistently bad. I try to buy at a consistent place, but not always. Sometimes emergency when a girl coming who likes marathon sex. LOL Then I try not to eat a meal first, no alcohol first etc. , to make sure I am at my peak. BBFS would makes a large difference too, certainly decreases need for a booster.
Perhaps I sometimes don't get all of the gel out of the packet and into my stomach, that is possible. I wonder if, perhaps, the packets are not all filled the same. I have a laboratory scale, perhaps I will weigh a few packets to see if they are all the same weight.I doubt the problem is getting all the gel out. 100 MG Gel is a massive overdose for many people. Could blow your head off or give a bad headache. LOL I never liked gel because too messy to use a small portion of the packet and try to keep the rest for another day. I tried but decided against it very quickly. I don't find normal Kamagra / Sidegra / Viagra to be slow acting at all but that is usually not after a meal or drinking alcohol. I can feel it on my face after 20 minutes. Girl: "Why have you got a red face?" LOL. If decide to fuck a new girl who maybe difficult reticent, starfish whatever, then can take it when barfining her in the toilet or before arrival at MP. It then works quick enough. In MP you are likely to have a shower, maybe get a BJ first etc.
Even a crumb of Viagra (100 MG) can have an effect, especially if no sex for a few days. It is real powerful in my view. Not the case with Cialis maybe because Cialis was typically sold in 20 MG if I remember right.
Any guy can get jaded if having too many fucks per day and think the medicine is not working as well. LOL Have a holiday from the pills, come back and they may work as strong as ever. Is it fair to compare Viagra in USA (the bible bashing country) where maybe the guy does not get so much fucking? I don't get any fucks in my home country at all any more, so I don't need to compare. My regular from years ago got too old. Probably nearly 50 now. Fortunately I am not there much either.
For those who want to last longer in bed, especially when I found a hot lady and wanted to fuck her a long time, I found KY Duration spray / gel useful. I always made an excuse to use the bathroom before I took the lady out to my hotel, put a few sprays on junior (takes about 10-30 minutes to work, it's perfect timing by the time we got back to the hotel), took a shower with the lady and washed it off before the deed. Boom! 20-30 minutes of breathtaking, sweaty, penetrative sex was not a problem (not including foreplay).Guys need to understand these things before trying. Most things for duration are designed to dampen your feeling, so that you don't cum too quick. In my case that is very counter productive because I am not that sensitive, and never had a problem of cumming too quick, except maybe my very first fuck as a teenager. One Japanese buddy just uses alcohol drinking to dampen the feeling in his dick to last longer. Partially works for him although he says he still cums too quick if did not get one for a while.
Once a girl gave me something to try on the dick called "Rhino" something gel. Smelled like camphor or oil of wintergreen. Feeling on dick was weird. Dampened the feeling extremely, far too much. There was no way I was going to be able to fuck her with that on. Had to wait a couple of hours to recover from it. LOL.
So only dampen the feeling in your dick if you are too sensitive, is my message.
There is no doubt that Viagra / Kamagra etc. Should help guys to last a lot longer, just from the psychological factor that the dick is going to stay rock hard for a long time. Working girls in MPS usually hate it that customer can take a pill and then want to have a marathon fuck. Others cum quicker but want multiple shots, so total duration of fucking can still be long.
I am getting to the point where I cannot do a marathon and don't want to use chemicals. A new regular has been texting that she looks forward to the next meeting and wants more exercising. It translates to me doing all the work. And I suspect I am the only one filling up all that pent up need and all that other areas. It is a tough job but I guess somebody has to stand up and do it.
Guys need to understand these things before trying. Most things for duration are designed to dampen your feeling, so that you don't cum too quick.
There is no doubt that Viagra / Kamagra etc. Should help guys to last a lot longer.
Gladiator69
09-06-18, 15:26
Guys need to understand these things before trying. Most things for duration are designed to dampen your feeling, so that you don't cum too quick. In my case that is very counter productive because I am not that sensitive, and never had a problem of cumming too quick, except maybe my very first fuck as a teenager. One Japanese buddy just uses alcohol drinking to dampen the feeling in his dick to last longer. Partially works for him although he says he still cums too quick if did not get one for a while.
Once a girl gave me something to try on the dick called "Rhino" something gel. Smelled like camphor or oil of wintergreen. Feeling on dick was weird. Dampened the feeling extremely, far too much. There was no way I was going to be able to fuck her with that on. Had to wait a couple of hours to recover from it. LOL.
So only dampen the feeling in your dick if you are too sensitive, is my message.
There is no doubt that Viagra / Kamagra etc. Should help guys to last a lot longer, just from the psychological factor that the dick is going to stay rock hard for a long time. Working girls in MPS usually hate it that customer can take a pill and then want to have a marathon fuck. Others cum quicker but want multiple shots, so total duration of fucking can still be long.Had no problem of cumming to quick with my ex-wife. But junior sometimes got over-excited when fucking a new girl. KY Duration contains lidocaine as a numbing agent. The package said use 1-10 sprays, I found 3 sprays worked for me perfectly. I still felt the pleasure of BBBJ or fucking a tight pussy without cumming too quick. But don't abuse it, otherwise you would feel nothing and it is not for everyone.
Viagra and Cialis didn't make me last longer, but junior was easily rock hard for sure.
Hi guys.
I suppose we all use ED products for different reasons. At home with the wife where sex is on a twice a week basis my little man has no problem getting the job done unless I have rubbed one earlier and she surprises me! I use viagra only in Thailand and it is to help with the3 girl of the day. The mind is willing but the body these days isn't as enthusiastic. As far as duration only a problem on day one and after that premature liftoff's aren't a problem.
If I was off the leash more then 2 a year maybe a different scenario for me as much as I like BBFS condoms don't worry me either.
Rob.
And I suspect I am the only one filling up all that pent up need and all that other areas.
.Again in English perhaps? Not quite sure what you are the only one for. Only one she is fucking? Might be wishful thinking but of course we don't know her. Always possible.
The only girl I have that is really hot for it, is bound to be using others when I am not around. I don't ask her awkward questions but sometimes she tells me anyway. Its a lot easier relationship when no necessity to make up porkies. Guys that get too possessive will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) her off. If she tells me she did not get any for a week, I can believe her. I don't hear it often. LOL.
BBFS is a big help.
Is she happy with short duration? LOL Some girls are, my hot girl is not. My GF is. My GF complains exhausted after 30 to 40 mins and several cums, so not a lot of stamina is needed.
Mr Enternational
09-07-18, 05:01
During my next visit to Pattaya I'm planning on having a tooth filled and my teeth cleaned. Any recommendations?
Just came from my dentist. I walked in this morning to get checked and cleaned. At first the receptionist told me to come back at 4:30. Then I went out and sat on the stoop writing to chicks on my phone. She ran out and asked me if I wanted to be seen right now. But of course.
The dentist showed me where I had a tooth broken in the back. He said it would be 900 for the filling and 800 to deep clean. I walked out 12 minutes later and am now on my way to breakfast or lunch or whatever. This place is great for stuff like this.
Just came from my dentist. I walked in this morning to get checked and cleaned. At first the receptionist told me to come back at 4:30. Then I went out and sat on the stoop writing to chicks on my phone. She ran out and asked me if I wanted to be seen right now. But of course.
The dentist showed me where I had a tooth broken in the back. He said it would be 900 for the filling and 800 to deep clean. I walked out 12 minutes later and am now on my way to breakfast or lunch or whatever. This place is great for stuff like this.Thanks Mr E.
That's the type of service I want! In and out in the least amount of time.
Just came from my dentist. I walked in this morning to get checked and cleaned. At first the receptionist told me to come back at 4:30. Then I went out and sat on the stoop writing to chicks on my phone. She ran out and asked me if I wanted to be seen right now. But of course.
The dentist showed me where I had a tooth broken in the back. He said it would be 900 for the filling and 800 to deep clean. I walked out 12 minutes later and am now on my way to breakfast or lunch or whatever. This place is great for stuff like this.51 us that a great deal there is still hope in the world.
LOL this guy found Heaven at Ibar in Pattaya. The place seem like a great place for game of billards as well but the Thai women at the table look like pool sharks good luck fellas. https://youtu.be/PL9b_Ojzr7Y.
Yep. Using that stupid English language. You can figure out "jumat saya mau fitnes" which translates to "Friday I want fitness". Some just like sex and get really wet, no matter how many have come before me (or after me LOL). And, if the mood changes, things dry up like the Sahara. It is actually pretty funny. Some of them get so wet it is like someone spilt a bottle of lub in their crack. Out of curiosity, I tried to fist a mlif.
Again in English perhaps? Not quite sure what you are the only one for. Only one she is fucking? Might be wishful thinking but of course we don't know her..
Yep. Using that stupid English language. You can figure out "jumat saya mau fitnes" which translates to "Friday I want fitness". No I could not. I don't know more than a few words of Indonesian. Obviously was a big euphemism since you said she did not do any work in the sex, I recall.
If you don't mention anything, we assume you are talking about a Thai girl in Thailand. LOL.
Any recommendations for dentists in Bangkok? I think I'm due for a checkup and cleaning and since my insurance doesn't pick up the 2nd one for the year, I figure I can get one when I go next month.
Apologies. I had just posted on Jakarta about an error and I thought the reference was to my post.
If you don't mention anything, we assume you are talking about a Thai girl in Thailand. LOL.
I was at a bar sitting with an older bar girl. She was 47. After a bit of groping there in the bar she asked if I wanted 1 woman or 2 for the night. I hadn't said anything about either but I have been wanting to try a threesome. I asked her for price and it was a little bit higher then I wanted to pay, about average in price but more then I wanted to pay. She was old and the woman she pointed too was also in her 40's. So I negotiated a cheaper price. She agreed but said she had to talk to the other woman. The other woman said she was on her period so couldn't. Then the woman I was with pointed to another. She wanted to know if I would pay now. I said no I pay in morning after. She too said she was on her period.
I don't know why the first woman wanted the threesome. I am guessing the other two weren't having their periods but balked at the lower price. I think I made the right choice about pay because they were not that attractive. I don't really mind old a lot if it is cheaper. A bit of a cheap charlie I guess. The first woman said she had another woman she would go ask but she was pompoui (not sure how to spell that but she meant fat) i said no to that.
I had offered 2500 thb for both plus bar fine. Regular price for overnight in that area is 1500 to 2000, I think.
So I missed out on a threesome but probably made the right choice. Katherines Massage offers it, for 3500 thb I think. Their women are good looking though and in early to mid 20's. I might try the nuru massage place some guy mentioned on the phuket thread, but it is a 45 minute motorbike ride.
So I missed out on a threesome but probably made the right choice. Katherines Massage offers it, for 3500 thb I think. Their women are good looking though and in early to mid 20's. I might try the nuru massage place some guy mentioned on the phuket thread, but it is a 45 minute motorbike ride.I got my regular 3 some from Shark ex-suzie W girls who used to do Les show I think. Really good, but cost me an arm and a leg. So you always wonder afterwards if just wouldn't be better off taking girls one at a time, different nights. At least I get two girls that like working together, their age varied a lot but both are quite sexy and have very beautiful pussy. Strangely one pussy had a little prickly Stubble for the DATY, and the other did not, yet she claimed to have shaved several days earlier. Somehow her pubes growth is very soft. Rest of the week will probably take more cost effective options. LOL.
3 someis now a once in a while special treat. I do like it.
One classic Thai dish that varies in quality tremendously is Phat Thai (pronounced like Putt Thai, never Pat Thai or worse Pad Thai). Today a cheap shop with tables and with no walls, was horrible. They actually put tomato sauce in it. Now that is just not Phat Thai. Horribly sweet and gluggy. I could make it better myself. Was a convenient location to eat, but quickly struck off the list as having crap food.
Phat Thai (pronounced like Putt Thai, never Pat Thai or worse Pad Thai).You should tell people how an "u" and an "a" is pronounced. Otherwise such advice doesn't make sense.
On my first trip to Pattaya I looked at something similar but I found personally that having sex with the girls, drinking, eating and sleeping filled my days for the week. LOL. But if I was going for longer than 1 week I would definitely visit some of the places on that list.LOL, somehow, I find that last sentence somewhat less than compelling.
LOL, somehow, I find that last sentence somewhat less than compelling.I have had 2 x 5 days stays and I still haven't set foot in any tourist traps other than the beer bars and Agogos! Next trip is for 8 days and somehow I think the Crocodile Farm will still be a mystery to me LOL.
One classic Thai dish that varies in quality tremendously is Phat Thai (pronounced like Putt Thai, never Pat Thai or worse Pad Thai). Today a cheap shop with tables and with no walls, was horrible. They actually put tomato sauce in it. Now that is just not Phat Thai. Horribly sweet and gluggy. I could make it better myself. Was a convenient location to eat, but quickly struck off the list as having crap food.Care to share where?
Care to share where?If I was recommending I would mention details. In Sathorn so you are unlikely to be there.
If I was recommending I would mention details. In Sathorn so you are unlikely to be there.Reaaaly? I'll be there Sunday after my morning constitutional in Lumpini Park. If shitty food is that big of a secret though.
HorseTrader
09-12-18, 23:49
I have much experience with real USA Viagra, it has been consistent for me (given the same conditions). I've also taken two versions of generic Viagra tablets from Mexico; same performance as genuine Viagra. It is only the Kamagra that has been inconsistent for me. Sometimes it works great, other times not so much.
I concur with this, Kamagra can be inconsistent. Even the packaging of Kamagra jelly is not consistent.Crocodilexp and I agree that Kamagra is inconsistent, so I weighed 10 sachets. Each sachet is labeled as containing 5 gm and 100 mg of sildenafil. First, I sucked out every bit of one packet and weighed the empty foil wrapper. That wrapper weighed 1.5 grams. Then I weighed 10 separate sachets. After subtracting 1.5 grams for the packaging, the jelly in each sachet weighed between 4.3 grams and 5.0 grams. Only 2 of the 10 sachets contained the full 5 grams. The average sachet contained 4.6 grams. The lightest sachet was 14% short of the actual product.
This certainly isn't perfect packaging, but, not bad enough to cause the inconsistent performance that I have observed.
Crocodilexp and I agree that Kamagra is inconsistent, so I weighed 10 sachets. Each sachet is labeled as containing 5 gm and 100 mg of sildenafil. First, I sucked out every bit of one packet and weighed the empty foil wrapper. That wrapper weighed 1.5 grams. Then I weighed 10 separate sachets. After subtracting 1.5 grams for the packaging, the jelly in each sachet weighed between 4.3 grams and 5.0 grams. Only 2 of the 10 sachets contained the full 5 grams. The average sachet contained 4.6 grams. The lightest sachet was 14% short of the actual product.
This certainly isn't perfect packaging, but, not bad enough to cause the inconsistent performance that I have observed.A 5 gram (5000 milligrams) package only contains 50 milligrams of Sildenafil citrate, hence the actual weight of the active ingredient would be what is being short changed.
Kamagra probably uses 1 or several 3rd party mixing factories whose tolerances can be ordinary. These big mix factories make products for all sorts of stuff, including health supplements. They are often cited for a lot of positive steriod tests in professional althletes because they don't clean out the previous batch well enough to stop cross contamination. These athletes can easily evade the tests for the stuff they know they take but get caught with the stuff that is mixed in without their knowledge. These mixing factories generally don't cause any health issues, just inconsistent products.
Crocodilexp and I agree that Kamagra is inconsistent, so I weighed 10 sachets. Each sachet is labeled as containing 5 gm and 100 mg of sildenafil. First, I sucked out every bit of one packet and weighed the empty foil wrapper. That wrapper weighed 1.5 grams. Then I weighed 10 separate sachets. After subtracting 1.5 grams for the packaging, the jelly in each sachet weighed between 4.3 grams and 5.0 grams. Only 2 of the 10 sachets contained the full 5 grams. The average sachet contained 4.6 grams. The lightest sachet was 14% short of the actual product.
This certainly isn't perfect packaging, but, not bad enough to cause the inconsistent performance that I have observed.Why not use the pills instead if you don't like jelly. I don't use jelly myself as would not be wanting a full dose. 100 MG should be far too much for most guys, I reckon. If it doesn't work, could either be fake stuff or bad production. I never had any Kamagra or Sidegra pills that did not work at all. I did experience Apcalis that consistently had no noticeable effect for me. Not inconsistent! LOL Maybe just far too weak in comparison to Kamagra for me.
I find there are so many factors that can vary in a sex experience, it is hard to point to one thing. Firstly the attitude of the girl, the way she moves, the feel of her pussy, the fit. How much fucking the guy had recently. I notice variation in myself, like have been excessively horny this week, and dick seems more sensitive than usual (with the right girls). Far easier to cum than normal. Was medication related? No, not in my case! Was BBFS related? For sure it helps a lot.
If you have something that is consistently not working, that seems easier to decide the cause, because other variables can be eliminated.
So how inconsistent is inconsistent? If not working at all, that is definitely a problem, and suggests fake stuff to me.
A 5 gram (5000 milligrams) package only contains 50 milligrams of Sildenafil citrate, hence the actual weight of the active ingredient would be what is being short changed.
How do you get this idea if packet label says it contains 100 MG of Sildenafil Citrate? I have only seen the 100 MG packets myself, but wasn't recently.
The weight of the packet and gel being 5 gms or whatever seems irrelevant to me.
Get the APEC card or start the process. These are getting really hard to get. It's not like it was 10 odd years ago.
A 5 gram (5000 milligrams) package only contains 50 milligrams of Sildenafil citrate, hence the actual weight of the active ingredient would be what is being short changed.
A 5 gram pack (gel) is labeled as containing 100 MG Sildenafil not 50 MG. The second part of your sentence is a complete non-sequitur.
Without manufacturing data, the only worthwhile speculation is that if a pack contains 14% less product (gel) than labeled, then it is likely that there is approximately 14% less Sildenafil in the pack. That is 86 MG instead of 100 MG.
HorseTrader
09-13-18, 17:30
The tested packages were marked as 5 grams containing 100 MG of sildenafil.
The summary is we might be getting shorted 14% by weight of jelly. We also might be getting the full amount. I did no testing of how much sildenafil was actually in the jelly.
In the future I will be buying pill form of whatever ED meds I take. Pills are more convenient and I can cut them to any size.
I don't think a 14% difference could make the difference that I have observed. The dose I took when I weighed the empty sachet was far too much. What I didn't mention is that my testing came from 2 lots of Kamagra, one was strawberry and the other mixed berry. Both lots were purchased at the same stand last November and had similar dates of manufacture. I'm starting to wonder if the mixed berry lot is consistently more effective than the strawberry lot.
Crocodilexp
09-14-18, 02:19
Kamagra is inconsistent... The average sachet contained 4.6 grams. The lightest sachet was 14% short of the actual product.
Good work! Those differences are not enormous, 86mg of Sildenafil should still be sufficient for most people.
However, to make things worse, Silednafil might not be consistently distributed throughout the jelly. 100 MG is a large dose, so if you take roughly half a packet (as many do), you might be getting 10 MG once, and 70 MG the next time.
MichaelSamuel
09-14-18, 02:43
I am sure every country is different. But it was easy from the USA just a few months ago. Granted the US is only provisional member so it has less privileges, but worked well for all the express lanes. There is even one at exit immigration at Don Meung now for diplomats or APEC card. You do have to already have global entry already though or perhaps TSA pre. Best travel money I ever spent.
These are getting really hard to get. It's not like it was 10 odd years ago.
In the future I will be buying pill form of whatever ED meds I take. Pills are more convenient and I can cut them to any size.
This is what I agree with absolutely.
You can even nibble or bite off a piece of roughly the desired size. Having a precise dose is just not a requirement for such powerful stuff as another just pointed out.
I found that while at 4 hours, your dose should only be 50% effective (half life) it may still be quite adequate for an enthusiastic girl whose pussy feels great. Just depends on the girl more than on the exact dose.
Its not a big problem to take a piece of a pill 30 minutes before your dick is in her pussy, unless you are a really rushed. Don't eat a big meal before sex is good advice. Eat afterwards. Eat pussy first. Get your priorities right.
Kamagra can turn all us old men into stallions that can fuck with magnificent stamina for hours. Girls are scared of this. LOL Hookers liked it when guys did not last so long, so the girl did not have to have stamina too.
As most posters outlined below the inconsistent results are most likely due to the active ingredient (Sildenafil) not being consistantly mixed with the inactive ingredient which is the gel. It is not a natural product, it is a man made mix. You have some dude in a third world country literally throwing each ingredient into a big mixing vat, think 1 cup of Sildenafil, and a big bucket of the rest of the ingredients. In a FDA approved Pfizer lab the ingredients will very closely match exactly what is on the label. In a lab that Kamagra uses the mix could have very wide tolerances and hence the very inconsistent results.
If you google Non FDA approved labs you will see all the complaints in regards to inconsistent products and tainted supplements.
In the future I will be buying pill form of whatever ED meds I take. Pills are more convenient and I can cut them to any size.Would someone please explain to a non user the effects of ED meds in terms of endurance and completion from a mongering point of view?
I understand that in suburbia most are used simply to get hard and complete the deed when needed a couple of times a week / month.
For a recreational use several times a day is it the same?
For those of us who can stay hard but may not ejaculate do they help or do they just keep the user hard forever?
Would someone please explain to a non user the effects of ED meds in terms of endurance and completion from a mongering point of view?
I understand that in suburbia most are used simply to get hard and complete the deed when needed a couple of times a week / month.
For a recreational use several times a day is it the same?
For those of us who can stay hard but may not ejaculate do they help or do they just keep the user hard forever?They further erection not ejaculation. You tend to stay hard as long as it is acting. Up to 6 hours for Sildenafil, much longer (days) in the case of Cialis. Alcohol and many drugs and illegal drugs shorten and hamper the effect but your erection will still be better than without tve ED drug. You are not supposed to redose in the same day but some people do.
There is even one at exit immigration at Don Meung now for diplomats or APEC card. You do have to already have global entry already though or perhaps TSA pre. Best travel money I ever spent.Now that DMK has separate immigration lines for incoming Chinese passport holders, there's virtually no waiting for the rest of us.
HorseTrader
09-14-18, 15:25
They further erection not ejaculation. You tend to stay hard as long as it is acting. Up to 6 hours for Sildenafil, much longer (days) in the case of Cialis. Alcohol and many drugs and illegal drugs shorten and hamper the effect but your erection will still be better than without tve ED drug. You are not supposed to redose in the same day but some people do.For me it desensitizes my penis, which delays ejaculation. In some cases it prevents me from finishing.
This stuff has a different effect on everybody. For me, Sildenafil doesn't start working for about 2 hours but will continue to work for over 24 hours. Cialis doesn't start to work for about 4 hours, but it continues to work for about 4 or 5 days. The nasty side effects last just as long (congestion, mild headache, overall body aches).
I'm looking forward to trying Levitra, perhaps it will have lesser side effects.
Banana Boi
09-14-18, 16:57
Now that DMK has separate immigration lines for incoming Chinese passport holders, there's virtually no waiting for the rest of us.Blew through dmk immigration last week in under 5 minutes.
Oth, leaving 3 weeks ago took about 30 minutes.
MichaelSamuel
09-15-18, 03:24
That's terrifc. Last time I flew into DMK it was a nightmare of chinese tourists. None spoke english and then their forms would be wrong and the thai officer would ask them something they wouldn't be able to answer. Their handler would try to come over, the thais would yell at them in thai, then the chinese would start yelling across the room in mandarin and then the thais would say some rather unpleasant things in thai. Oh my buddha. My general criteria when choosing immigration lines is to avoid or minimize lines with children, mainland chinese, and anyone of color. I could care less what someone's skin color is but it's Asia and there is a lot bias and from my experience those with darker skin are more scrutinized than others. Also something to be said that many of the African countries and India require visas which take longer to pass through immigration than visa waivers.
Noticing the empty queues for the ASEAN countries are what made me look into and get the APEC card originally.
Now that DMK has separate immigration lines for incoming Chinese passport holders, there's virtually no waiting for the rest of us.
MichaelSamuel
09-15-18, 03:35
I second that. I use the pills so I can halve them, 1/3, or 1/4. For me I only take 1/3 or 1/4 in the morning if looking for a boost. Usually 1/2 for the evenings activities or 1/2 for a longer afternoon session.
I made the switch from kamigra to sidegra about a year ago. My experience has been it takes a little longer, maybe 10 minutes to kick in, side effects less for headache, sinuses, and stomach.
Also while you need to be careful of course I will sometimes supplement with a partial jelly packet of kamigra during a marathon session or needing a boost due to jet lag.
I get all my stuff from the large pharmacy on suk next to bullys pub past soi 4.
This is what I agree with absolutely.
You can even nibble or bite off a piece of roughly the desired size. Having a precise dose is just not a requirement for such powerful stuff as another just pointed out.
I found that while at 4 hours, your dose should only be 50% effective (half life) it may still be quite adequate for an enthusiastic girl whose pussy feels great. Just depends on the girl more than on the exact dose.
Its not a big problem to take a piece of a pill 30 minutes before your dick is in her pussy, unless you are a really rushed. Don't eat a big meal before sex is good advice. Eat afterwards. Eat pussy first. Get your priorities right.
Kamagra can turn all us old men into stallions that can fuck with magnificent stamina for hours. Girls are scared of this. LOL Hookers liked it when guys did not last so long, so the girl did not have to have stamina too.
There are 4 women leaving bars at the set of bars I go to. All within a weeks time. I don't really know a lot of women there. I have maybe talked to about 15 bar girls in that area so it is a pretty high percentage. Is it a time of year when work is slow or just a coincidence? Once woman I knew from a couple of months ago returned last week, but she went to a different part of Phuket.
Gladiator69
09-15-18, 15:11
That's terrifc. Last time I flew into DMK it was a nightmare of chinese tourists. None spoke english and then their forms would be wrong and the thai officer would ask them something they wouldn't be able to answer. Their handler would try to come over, the thais would yell at them in thai, then the chinese would start yelling across the room in mandarin and then the thais would say some rather unpleasant things in thai. Oh my buddha. My general criteria when choosing immigration lines is to avoid or minimize lines with children, mainland chinese, and anyone of color. I could care less what someone's skin color is but it's Asia and there is a lot bias and from my experience those with darker skin are more scrutinized than others.DMK is always chaotic. It's a win-win that the Chinese got their own line and we got a different one, it will save so much time.
This stuff has a different effect on everybody. For me, Sildenafil doesn't start working for about 2 hours but will continue to work for over 24 hours. Cialis doesn't start to work for about 4 hours, but it continues to work for about 4 or 5 days. The nasty side effects last just as long (congestion, mild headache, overall body aches).
I am sorry but this goes totally against the scientific evidence and makes your statement seem very silly. We all know very well that Sildenafil does not take anything like 2 hours to take effect, even if it varies due to eating etc. I have had occasions to feel the flush on face from it after 20 to 25 minutes. However science says should reach peak absorption between 30 mins to 1 hour(slightly delayable by certain foods). Can it really take much longer to work for you and then last at least 4 times longer as well. Seems very unlikely. I would like to hear a scientific explanation of how your body could fail to get rid of it compared to others. So very hard to believe you could be so extremely different.
The science says the half life is 4 hours, so at 24 hours the effect for most people will be about 1. 6% (1/64 of initial full effect) which is barely perceptible, unless started with a massive overdose. So your numbers are slightly off, to say the very least.
The documentation says that most men will notice effects of Sildenafil starting to wear off after 2 to 3 hours, while may still be reasonably effective for some at 5 hours. This is far short of your 24 hours (un heard of). Even a top up dose after 3 hours may not be quite as effective as was initially. Viagra is considered to be totally out of normal person's system by 20 hours.
Similarly Cialis, while having a longer half life, there is no way for it to be still effective after 4 to 5 days. That is too many times the half life of It is quite likely you are experiencing the placebo effect, which is just a psychological one.
Link to a scientific study which I did not think mentioned any great variation in the test subjects.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874258/
For me it desensitizes my penis, which delays ejaculation. In some cases it prevents me from finishing.
This stuff has a different effect on everybody. For me, Sildenafil doesn't start working for about 2 hours but will continue to work for over 24 hours. Cialis doesn't start to work for about 4 hours, but it continues to work for about 4 or 5 days. The nasty side effects last just as long (congestion, mild headache, overall body aches).
I'm looking forward to trying Levitra, perhaps it will have lesser side effects.I have a friend that experiences the same results in that Sildenafil takes an hour or two to start working but when it kicks in lasts for around 24 hours complete with horrific side affects. He has less side affects with Cialis but actually started to use levitra and it is much better so definitely give that a try.
I have a friend that experiences the same results in that Sildenafil takes an hour or two to start working but when it kicks in lasts for around 24 hours complete with horrific side affects. He has less side affects with Cialis but actually started to use levitra and it is much better so definitely give that a try.First time I took Sildenafil I thought I was going to die, congestion, headache, racing heart etc went away in 1-2 hrs so kept taking it and now I only have issues with congestion. Cialis works long time a little congestion been having trouble finding it online though need to get back to Thailand for more.
I am sorry but this goes totally against the scientific evidence and makes your statement seem very silly. We all know very well that Sildenafil does not take anything like 2 hours to take effect, even if it varies due to eating etc. I have had occasions to feel the flush on face from it after 20 to 25 minutes. However science says should reach peak absorption between 30 mins to 1 hour(slightly delayable by certain foods). Can it really take much longer to work for you and then last at least 4 times longer as well. Seems very unlikely. I would like to hear a scientific explanation of how your body could fail to get rid of it compared to others. So very hard to believe you could be so extremely different.
The science says the half life is 4 hours, so at 24 hours the effect for most people will be about 1. 6% (1/64 of initial full effect) which is barely perceptible, unless started with a massive overdose. So your numbers are slightly off, to say the very least.
The documentation says that most men will notice effects of Sildenafil starting to wear off after 2 to 3 hours, while may still be reasonably effective for some at 5 hours. This is far short of your 24 hours (un heard of). Even a top up dose after 3 hours may not be quite as effective as was initially. Viagra is considered to be totally out of normal person's system by 20 hours.Scientific studies in the biotech world is just a shot in the dark and mostly skewed towards the presenter's analysis. It is basically a "adjustable" statistical approach and not conclusive science. My just 2 cents or 2 baht he he. Anyways, in fact I surprisingly have had the same effect. I get a flush in about the 20-30 minutes range or so as stated but the kick down there starts much later and seems to last 24 hours as someone claimed. So I think the same contrary effect (wrt to the "science") with me too, FWIW. Cheers!
There are 4 women leaving bars at the set of bars I go to. All within a weeks time. I don't really know a lot of women there. I have maybe talked to about 15 bar girls in that area so it is a pretty high percentage. Is it a time of year when work is slow or just a coincidence? Once woman I knew from a couple of months ago returned last week, but she went to a different part of Phuket.October is the wettest month in Thailand, so maybe there won't be enough tourists around to sustain their business activities.
HorseTrader
09-16-18, 19:54
I am sorry but this goes totally against the scientific evidence and makes your statement seem very silly. We all know very well that Sildenafil does not take anything like 2 hours to take effect, even if it varies due to eating etc.I am well aware of the scientific evidence. I am reporting what I have experienced personally. I'm also aware that some people report Cialis works quicker than Viagra, but for me the opposite is true. I have not been part of a blind or double blind study.
For me, peak Sildenafil performance is at the 4 to 6 hour mark. Cialis might be at about the 24 hour mark.
I first took Viagra 17 years ago. Over the years it has taken longer and longer to work and the side effects have gotten worse and worse.
I first took Viagra 17 years ago. Over the years it has taken longer and longer to work and the side effects have gotten worse and worse.It's a good reminder that we should take some of these substances only when absolutely necessary.
In my experience I've started by using the kamagra gel. At that time I was in Pattaya, I started to get hard when I was on my bike on the way back to my room, so it worked pretty quickly. But the downside came very quickly also, probably the worst headache of my life, a drum and bass concert in my head exactly at the moment I was about to enter the girl. Very bad first experience. Then I learned by a pharmacist that I should take only small amount of the product at a time, the side effects were smaller but still present. So nowadays I only use the sidegra 100 MG tablets, I take a small bite in the tablet 30 min before going in a MP or if I'm already with a girl and I know that I will fuck her I just go in the toilets 20 min or so before leaving the place and it works pretty good without side effects except that sometimes I already start getting hard in the shower, it might be embarrassing if the girl know us and never saw us like that.
Mr Enternational
09-16-18, 23:17
In my experience I've started by using the kamagra gel. At that time I was in Pattaya, I started to get hard when I was on my bike on the way back to my room, so it worked pretty quickly.Only thing about these posts is that ED drugs don't give you a hard on. They just help you maintain it once you do get it. So maybe your bike was stimulating you sexually.
Only thing about these posts is that ED drugs don't give you a hard on. They just help you maintain it once you do get it. So maybe your bike was stimulating you sexually.That is not quite correct or maybe misleading. I found that as a newbie to Kamagra, it was so powerful, that I could be driving my car to meet the girl, and would start to get an automatic hard on, just by thinking about her, possibly picturing her naked in my mind.
So very weak stimulation or sexual thoughts can trigger a hard on, and Kamagra boosts that effect significantly. Clearly it helps get a hard on much faster than normal as well as maintaining it. This means the girl that knows your dick well, will notice something is strange if you are dosed up. E. g. How come it got so hard so quickly without doing anything much. That is why I don't use it with GF. She is not so dumb she would not notice a difference. Given BBFS, not getting many fucks per day, and she doesn't have stamina for beyond 40 mins, then the Kamagra is not necessary. Being comfortable with a regular girl helps with getting a hard on too, just goes up slower than an assisted Hard on.
At an FKK club, there were two guys in the showers with raging hard ONS. They were not yet having sex. However clearly dosed up I would say and may have been excited by seeing a sexy girl walk past naked, where that is so normal forme, it would not induce a hard on. Guys vary how easy they get hard ONS. Girls tell me some guys explode at the slightest stroke of their dick too.
Only thing about these posts is that ED drugs don't give you a hard on. They just help you maintain it once you do get it. So maybe your bike was stimulating you sexually.Maybe the stimulation came from the chick sitting behind me, just a slight touch that doesn't have any effect normally probably gave me the hard on.
At an FKK club, there were two guys in the showers with raging hard ONS. They were not yet having sex. However clearly dosed up I would say and may have been excited by seeing a sexy girl walk past naked, where that is so normal forme, it would not induce a hard on. Guys vary how easy they get hard ONS. Girls tell me some guys explode at the slightest stroke of their dick too.Sometimes when I go in the MP it takes me some time to get a hard on, girls are surprised and tell me that many guys already have the hard on just in the shower. By talking with them, they didn't look to be suspicious but the first thing that came to my mind was that these guys probably took a big load of product before going there.
October is the wettest month in Thailand, so maybe there won't be enough tourists around to sustain their business activities.As far as I know August and September are the wettest months.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thailand#Climate
As far as I know August and September are the wettest months.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thailand#ClimateI suppose it depends on where in Thailand.
In Pattaya, October is wettest with 242 mm average rain, with September at 217 mm, and August 98 mm.
In Phuket, September is the wettest at 379 mm, October 340 mm, and pulling up in the rear is August at 279 mm.
I think Horatio was referring to Phuket in his post.
I suppose it depends on where in Thailand.
In Pattaya, October is wettest with 242 mm average rain, with September at 217 mm, and August 98 mm.
In Phuket, September is the wettest at 379 mm, October 340 mm, and pulling up in the rear is August at 279 mm.
I think Horatio was referring to Phuket in his post.I think it varies a lot from year to year. I recall one period in Bangkok one year shortly after Songkran where weather was extremely cool for a week or so. Should be the hot part of the year. This year the rains came early I think. So wet season should be pretty much over at least in Bangkok, still some rain of course. Nothing to worry about.
The weather matters a lot more for going to beach resorts. Krabi in rainy season was depressing. Phuket is ideal December and probably okay In November. I doubt the sea water will be crystal clear too much before December. That is Andaman side where the sea water becomes beautiful earlier. December is too early for Koh Samui to be at its most picturesque. Still has dirty river water flowing into the sea and making it murky. For Koh Samui and similar nearby Islands, I would leave it till late Jan or February to see it at its best. That was my experience of the past, but seasons can vary a bit.
HorseTrader
09-18-18, 07:18
A good source for weather history is holiday-weather.com. Average high/low temperature. Historical rainfall. Chance of sunny or cloudy day. Historical wind. Following link is for Pattaya, but, there are several other Thailand locations available.
https://www.holiday-weather.com/pattaya/averages/
Sometimes when I go in the MP it takes me some time to get a hard on, girls are surprised and tell me that many guys already have the hard on just in the shower. By talking with them, they didn't look to be suspicious but the first thing that came to my mind was that these guys probably took a big load of product before going there.Probably spot on. The smart girls will have their suspicions unless they think the guy is particularly sensitive or excitable.
Recognise guys vary greatly in sensitivity and what turns them on easily. If was me and the girl had not yet touched my dick or balls, but I had a big hard on, it would certainly be an indicator of being dosed up. However, not sure if I am unusual here, but nice tongue kissing gets me hard quicker than anything else, or tongue kissing with ball tickling even better, and that could be without medication. Seems like the dick expects fucking to follow nice kissing automatically. Slippery body slide massage also gets my dick going very well, however that is certainly strong stimulation.
Crocodilexp
09-18-18, 12:53
many guys already have the hard on just in the shower... these guys probably took a big load of product before going there.Given the prices and service which is frequently not as patient or arousing as it should be, it would be silly NOT to pop a 50 baht ED pill before a 2000++ baht session. In one-and-done places, may well rub one out before going, so you can last longer, or else it's a lot of money for 15 minutes of fun. This is especially true for most of us over-30's who might not immediately stand up on command. Honestly, I don't give a damn if a girl suspects that I've taken a pill or not, she still needs to provide a decent value for my money.
One thing I find dreadful, though, is girls having an expectation that a punter will have his dick hard right after the session starts, with minimal or no stimulation (sometimes even de-stimulation), and being quick to accuse you of being unable to perform if you don't get hard within 2 min of starting. Such attitude is common in many low-end places in the region, and seeping into more expensive spots...
Mr Enternational
09-18-18, 13:29
One thing I find dreadful, though, is girls having an expectation that a punter will have his dick hard right after the session starts, with minimal or no stimulation (sometimes even de-stimulation), and being quick to accuse you of being unable to perform if you don't get hard within 2 min of starting. Such attitude is common in many low-end places in the region, and seeping into more expensive spots...What I find dreadful is when I am online trolling for future prospects and the women expect you to be ready to fuck at that very moment. It seems like they don't understand the idea of building up a clientele. They are just trying to do fast food fucking.
What I find dreadful is when I am online trolling for future prospects and the women expect you to be ready to fuck at that very moment. It seems like they don't understand the idea of building up a clientele. They are just trying to do fast food fucking.I used to let that do my head in but then I remember these are mainly young uneducated farm girls, not Harvard Business School graduates. One of my TF fucks told me that unless she has met and fucked the guy before she won't invest anytime in him unless he is ready to go there and then. She wants the money now and not a promise of cash in 2 days to 2 months that in 99% of times won't happen. In the same vein I won't engage in chat with a working girl unless I'm boots on the ground because I don't want to invest time with a girl who is a 80% chance of not being there when I arrive. I will invest a month ahead on non working girls and some very casual part timers where building a relationship is important to them.
On the viagra issue I'm constantly doped up on it because I'm in Pattaya for 5 to 8 days twice a year so I want to be locked, loaded and ready to go at any given time and I don't care for what the girl thinks LOL.
HorseTrader
09-19-18, 02:18
On the viagra issue I'm constantly doped up on it because I'm in Pattaya for 5 to 8 days twice a year so I want to be locked, loaded and ready to go at any given time and I don't care for what the girl thinks LOL.The girls should be happy we use our ED meds. Without those meds many are home spending money on electronics, football tickets, and cars. With those meds we are in Thailand spending money on honey.
Crocodilexp
09-19-18, 02:39
What I find dreadful is when I am online trolling for future prospects and the women expect you to be ready to fuck at that very moment. It seems like they don't understand the idea of building up a clientele. They are just trying to do fast food fucking.
Forgive me if I'm making wrong assumptions, but do you mean working girls online refuse to indulge in idle chit chat when you're not in the same geographic location? If you're online, you have zero chance of fucking right away in any case, unless you're able to teleport yourself to her location.
I usually have the exact opposite problem online: most women are too eager for idle chat and soaking up my attention, but not willing to meet right away (I only tend to talk to non-working girls, hookers online are not my thing, them I prefer the old way). One problem with online women is that even the most plain looking ones talk to hundreds of suitors, and it gives them a slightly inflated sense of self worth.
I usually have the exact opposite problem online: most women are too eager for idle chat and soaking up my attention, but not willing to meet right away (I only tend to talk to non-working girls, hookers online are not my thing, them I prefer the old way). One problem with online women is that even the most plain looking ones talk to hundreds of suitors, and it gives them a slightly inflated sense of self worth.That is a problem with online dating site meet ups; the tendency of many women to want to just chat and chat but never meet, quite content to have 20 guys saying Good Morning and Good Night to them every day, sight unseen in the flesh.
I used to work harder to convince them to meet sooner rather than later, or how about at least a quick video chat just to say Hello. Now my approach is to push for that only a very little while and, if no results, just move on and forget about them.
I have discovered that an online lady who is sooooo reluctant to actually meet a man she met on those sites or to even engage in a moment of live video chatting probably has the right idea. I'll go with her judgement on that. Let's not meet. She knows, contrary to what her online photos suggest, there is something about her in person that will put off the men she is carrying on a fantasy relationship with online. She's probably exactly right about that.
Forgive me if I'm making wrong assumptions, but do you mean working girls online refuse to indulge in idle chit chat when you're not in the same geographic location? If you're online, you have zero chance of fucking right away in any case, unless you're able to teleport yourself to her location.
I usually have the exact opposite problem online: most women are too eager for idle chat and soaking up my attention, but not willing to meet right away (I only tend to talk to non-working girls, hookers online are not my thing, them I prefer the old way). One problem with online women is that even the most plain looking ones talk to hundreds of suitors, and it gives them a slightly inflated sense of self worth.Rule of thumb for me is when I'm on the ground I will video call, if no answer move onto the next girl after leaving a message to call me when free because I'm in town and want to meet. I push for half an hour to get to my hotel. After half an hour I'm on the phone again asking where are they. I have had messages and calls from girls up to 4 hours later saying they on their way now and I tell them not worry because I got bored with waiting and I'm with someone else and ignore them from that point.
If we all show discipline it won't completely fix the problem but it will show these hoes that it's a buyers market.
GolfPhotos
09-19-18, 08:13
Hi,
I will be traveling to Bangkok soon and was contemplating opening a bank account there. I have a few queries though.
1. Can one open a bank account in Thailand / Bangkok on a tourist visa?
2. if yes, what documents are required?
3. Which are the recommended banks and branches where one can open an account?
4. What type of account can be opened?
5. How easy / difficult is it to open an account if at all one can open it?
Would appreciate help from people here who have information on this subject and / or have opened an account in Bangkok.
I push for half an hour to get to my hotel. After half an hour I'm on the phone again asking where are they. Half an hour is not much. It depends on how close they are of course, but generally speaking it's tight. They have a life too you know. I think you cannot expect them to jump up immediately any time of the day or night and come to your hotel.
I do agree with you however that you have to chase them if they don't show up at the agreed time. But even then I usually give them some slack because of the cultural difference. Being on time is not as important in Thai culture as it is in Western cultures.
I have discovered that an online lady who is sooooo reluctant to actually meet a man she met on those sites or to even engage in a moment of live video chatting probably has the right idea. I'll go with her judgement on that. Let's not meet. She knows, contrary to what her online photos suggest, there is something about her in person that will put off the men she is carrying on a fantasy relationship with online. She's probably exactly right about that.Yes I know of an old guy (used to be on this forum) who would go on chat pretending to be a young hot girl, and see what guys he could suck in. He thought it was fun.
Obviously he could not do video call. Some of the girls maybe old hags too.
I have no experience myself. I only like to message girls I already know, and lazy to type a lot of English or Thai. Easier to use audio or video, when she is not in a public place.
A Thai girl that comes to me regularly says "I will be there soon. " That could mean in 4 hours. LOL Lucky I don't hold my breath waiting. If I have a time limit, I do say "the latest you can arrive is 6 PM, if not I might be available again at 11 PM".
Thais don't really understand the concept of being prompt or on time, or that other people may have appointments too.
Mostek6502
09-19-18, 11:49
That is a problem with online dating site meet ups; the tendency of many women to want to just chat and chat but never meet, quite content to have 20 guys saying Good Morning and Good Night to them every day, sight unseen in the flesh.
I used to work harder to convince them to meet sooner rather than later, or how about at least a quick video chat just to say Hello. Now my approach is to push for that only a very little while and, if no results, just move on and forget about them.
I have discovered that an online lady who is sooooo reluctant to actually meet a man she met on those sites or to even engage in a moment of live video chatting probably has the right idea. I'll go with her judgement on that. Let's not meet. She knows, contrary to what her online photos suggest, there is something about her in person that will put off the men she is carrying on a fantasy relationship with online. She's probably exactly right about that.Here's the secret with girls who won't video chat or let you meet them. This has happened twice.
The girls will be young and very attractive, they will work as teachers or in an office (mine did). They will send photos of themselves at work and with their fiends, showing that they are good girls and worth your time and respect. What they want to do is keep the conversation going and get a degree of familiarity. And then they will ask for money. The first time it happened it was a surprise, the second time it became clear.
Some girls will not give you a damn thing, they just want money for nothing. I think the these girls a generally "respectable" and maybe they are used to older men who are a soft touch.
Some girls will not give you a damn thing, they just want money for nothing. I think the these girls a generally "respectable" and maybe they are used to older men who are a soft touch.I guess if they ask 50 guys and if 5 are silly enough to send them something then they are probably making enough for them and their family to live. I guess you can't fault their logic if it is working.
This seems to be a common little scam used by girls all around the world. There must be a "3rd world ladies scam board" just like we have this board.
Here's the secret with girls who won't video chat or let you meet them. This has happened twice.
The girls will be young and very attractive, they will work as teachers or in an office (mine did). They will send photos of themselves at work and with their fiends, showing that they are good girls and worth your time and respect. What they want to do is keep the conversation going and get a degree of familiarity. And then they will ask for money. The first time it happened it was a surprise, the second time it became clear.
Some girls will not give you a damn thing, they just want money for nothing. I think the these girls a generally "respectable" and maybe they are used to older men who are a soft touch.If a girl ask me for money online regardless if I have met them before I block straight away. Sometimes I will play along and ask how to do an international transfer and tell them I have transferred 10,000 TBH. The usual stories are rent, broken phone, sickness either themself or a family member, outstanding bills or simply food. I really hope no one sends money as it is a rip off.
Mr Enternational
09-19-18, 15:19
Forgive me if I'm making wrong assumptions, but do you mean working girls online refuse to indulge in idle chit chat when you're not in the same geographic location? If you're online, you have zero chance of fucking right away in any case, unless you're able to teleport yourself to her location.I mean if I am looking for chicks online and one happens to be P4P then there is no warm up or anything. As soon as you say Hello, she replies I come to you now if you want. ST 1000 LT 2000 can not fuck ass. It is like damn. Let me decide if you are interesting enough to fuck first.
Or when you do make contact with a chick and everyday she sends you a message, "You want me to come to you now?" They act like you are just hornry to fuck on demand 24 hours and you do nothing else in life. It is like McDonald's calling you every hour saying are you hungry yet? We got cheeseburgers! Bih I might not be horny now or I could be doing other normal shit. I will contact you when I am ready to see you.
Banana Boi
09-19-18, 15:24
If a girl ask me for money online regardless if I have met them before I block straight away. Sometimes I will play along and ask how to do an international transfer and tell them I have transferred 10,000 TBH. The usual stories are rent, broken phone, sickness either themself or a family member, outstanding bills or simply food. I really hope no one sends money as it is a rip off.Depends on the circumstances and your relationship with the girl, no? A few months ago I had a gogo girl who quickly needed 1000 baht. I didn't ask her any details. She just messaged me asking for 1000 baht. I know her well and she would never ask unless she was stuck needing cash. Have gone out with her multiple times for free. Instead of 1000 I gave her 5000 since I figured she really needed cash and 5000 is nothing to us. She was actually not happy I gave her so much money since she felt terrible having to even ask me for 1000. I later found out the money was for a bus to go home to see her grandma who has since passed away and no it wasn't just a story.
Here's the secret with girls who won't video chat or let you meet them. This has happened twice.
The girls will be young and very attractive, they will work as teachers or in an office (mine did). They will send photos of themselves at work and with their fiends, showing that they are good girls and worth your time and respect. What they want to do is keep the conversation going and get a degree of familiarity. And then they will ask for money. The first time it happened it was a surprise, the second time it became clear.
Some girls will not give you a damn thing, they just want money for nothing. I think the these girls a generally "respectable" and maybe they are used to older men who are a soft touch.Generally speaking, the direct P4P girls you meet on the dating sites are better looking than the regular, non P4P, ""respectible" girls, as you put it. The regular girls can look good but rarely as good as their photos, extremely rarely better than their photos.
So if one of those girls who insist they are too respectable to exchange sex for money shows up to meet you and your first thought is, "Wow, she's hot! I wonder why she needs to go on a dating site to get dates", you can bet the farm she is NOT on the dating site to get dates. She has some other Money For Nothing scheme in mind. And she has already told you she isn't even honorable enough to exchange sex for the money she will most assuredly ask you for (in order to improve her and her boyfriend's lifestyle, of course).
Depends on the circumstances and your relationship with the girl, no? A few months ago I had a gogo girl who quickly needed 1000 baht. I didn't ask her any details. She just messaged me asking for 1000 baht. I know her well and she would never ask unless she was stuck needing cash. Have gone out with her multiple times for free. Instead of 1000 I gave her 5000 since I figured she really needed cash and 5000 is nothing to us. She was actually not happy I gave her so much money since she felt terrible having to even ask me for 1000. I later found out the money was for a bus to go home to see her grandma who has since passed away and no it wasn't just a story.I would have a different attitude if I lived in Pattaya. If you know the girl, as you do, you wouldn't think twice. My view is from a 2 a year visitor and that leads to a totally different set of circumstances.
Depends on the circumstances and your relationship with the girl, no? A few months ago I had a gogo girl who quickly needed 1000 baht. I didn't ask her any details. She just messaged me asking for 1000 baht. I know her well and she would never ask unless she was stuck needing cash. Have gone out with her multiple times for free. Instead of 1000 I gave her 5000 since I figured she really needed cash and 5000 is nothing to us. She was actually not happy I gave her so much money since she felt terrible having to even ask me for 1000. I later found out the money was for a bus to go home to see her grandma who has since passed away and no it wasn't just a story.Yes I don't see throwing 1 k or 2 K to a girl desperate, is not so bad, when she is my regular. Might even be true she is sick, cannot work, and has no money for food, or has no money for transport or pay the doctor. As long as she is not doing this too often. Maybe I don't quite a agree with sending a lot more than requested though.
She should be accepting also that this gets paid back over next couple of bookings, paying her less than usual.
Does not really put a guy in good light, if he has a lot of money but also a black heart, and yet he still wants to have a good time fucking the girl in the future. I never seek to be known as an asshole with my regular girls.
ST 1000 LT 2000 can not fuck ass. It is like damn. Let me decide if you are interesting enough to fuck first.
Or when you do make contact with a chick and everyday she sends you a message, "You want me to come to you now?" They act like you are just hornry to fuck on demand 24 hours and you do nothing else in life.At least the girl can rule out total waste of time guys, too stingy, straight off. After all, she isn't a potential GF. It is about the fuck, right? At least sets out basic rules before too much time is wasted. I ruled out girls quickly who refused to answer a basic question or send a pic. There is no way to meet a girl if I don't know what her face looks like, as a minimum. Body can be in a separate pic if desired.
As for getting a message that she is ready for me, that would be more than welcome from some girls. I had intended to do a girl several times in the week, and only found her available once. Sometimes girls can be to busy to make themselves available. Too many priorities other than a fuck. If she asks me every day, at Least I can say yes or no. Better than if a favourite is hardly available.
Indian guys can answer this, Is there a lot of discrimination based on skin colour in India, as well as in Thailand?
My GF was watching an Indian Soapy dubbed into Thai. "Phaen rak luang jai" was it's Thai name and available on you-Tube (originally showed at 21.10 on channel 8). There was a group of people getting ready for a marriage event. They all had very light skin, and most of them looked to have Farang blood in their ancestry, some looking like 50% Farang or more. Sort of Hi-so Indians I guess. The girls were quite pretty. Not much body hair if any. Not one darker skin person appeared for the duration I was watching. Can this just be due to a region in India? I doubt it. It looks like light skin is as highly sort after, as in Thailand, with possible prejudice against the darker ones.
My GF is medium coloured skin (a lot darker than me), and I like it, personally. Have had some light skin Thais, but it makes so little difference to me. Not a selection criteria. I do like natural Thai upturned noses if not too broad. I do like slim legs and a nice waist to thigh ratio, and very little body hair other than on the head. My GF meets all the criteria well, no sag.
Hi guys,
Recently signed up to the forum after years of absorbing advice from the community! Better late than never!
Been to BKK for years and mainly hung out in Nana and Thermal. Go go bars for me are really a bit of hit and miss. In my case, more misses than hits!! Yes, there are stunning girls but I rarely found ones with good chemistry! I've always found good chemistry = great sex!
I've found a couple of gems in Thermal. Best one was a girl named Dada. Probably around 5"6, long hair, normal build, good ass, braces & fake boobs. Early / mid 20's. She's not a regular and I bet you're thinking from the descriptions that she's not all that! Well, sex was great. She squirts, loves mirrors and actively got me to do her anally!
Saw her a few times but it went downhill. She got greedy and demanding. Alas, it was fun while it lasted. Should anyone bump into her, have fun! Sorry I know it's probably difficult to fish her out from the Thermal based on my descriptions. When I picked her up, she stood on the right hand side of the room, by the pillar. She's the shy type. Always looking at her phone and does not look out for potential clients.
I'll be in BKK next week should anyone fancy to meet up! Never tried a MMF but keen to try!
Cheers for now.
Mr Enternational
09-20-18, 12:28
Indian guys can answer this, Is there a lot of discrimination based on skin colour in India, as well as in Thailand?
My GF was watching an Indian Soapy dubbed into Thai. "Phaen rak luang jai" was it's Thai name and available on you-Tube (originally showed at 21.10 on channel 8). There was a group of people getting ready for a marriage event. They all had very light skin, and most of them looked to have Farang blood in their ancestry, some looking like 50% Farang or more. Sort of Hi-so Indians I guess. The girls were quite pretty. Not much body hair if any. Not one darker skin person appeared for the duration I was watching. Can this just be due to a region in India? I doubt it. It looks like light skin is as highly sort after, as in Thailand, with possible prejudice against the darker ones.
My GF is medium coloured skin (a lot darker than me), and I like it, personally. Have had some light skin Thais, but it makes so little difference to me. Not a selection criteria. I do like natural Thai upturned noses if not too broad. I do like slim legs and a nice waist to thigh ratio, and very little body hair other than on the head. My GF meets all the criteria well, no sag.This is due to colorism and happens all over the world. White is right. They have all the skin lightening products just like Thailand. But in a case of show production they go look for people who are lighter instead of rolling with everyday people. Same as Hollywood before. White person played the role whether it was of an Asian or African. The darker people only get the role of the help. Now Hollywood is changing. It will be a long time off until Hollywood does the same.
Indian guys can answer this, Is there a lot of discrimination based on skin colour in India, as well as in Thailand?
My GF was watching an Indian Soapy dubbed into Thai. "Phaen rak luang jai" was it's Thai name and available on you-Tube (originally showed at 21.10 on channel 8). There was a group of people getting ready for a marriage event. They all had very light skin, and most of them looked to have Farang blood in their ancestry, some looking like 50% Farang or more. Sort of Hi-so Indians I guess. The girls were quite pretty. Not much body hair if any. Not one darker skin person appeared for the duration I was watching. Can this just be due to a region in India? I doubt it. It looks like light skin is as highly sort after, as in Thailand, with possible prejudice against the darker ones.
My GF is medium coloured skin (a lot darker than me), and I like it, personally. Have had some light skin Thais, but it makes so little difference to me. Not a selection criteria. I do like natural Thai upturned noses if not too broad. I do like slim legs and a nice waist to thigh ratio, and very little body hair other than on the head. My GF meets all the criteria well, no sag.I am Indian, and an very proud one at that. What you have noticed & mentioned is very true all these soaps have only beautiful people and rich and savvy. If a dark skin toned person is portrayed he has to be from south of India or a doubtful character. Even in south India the girls are shown to be only light skinned. I think India would be the country where lots of creams and lotions are sold to get light skin even for men. Most of the males prefer a light skinned bride, or vice a versa. Caucasian are revered and dark skinned abhorred as a general tendency.
This is due to colorism and happens all over the world. White is right. They have all the skin lightening products just like Thailand. But in a case of show production they go look for people who are lighter instead of rolling with everyday people. Same as Hollywood before. White person played the role whether it was of an Asian or African. The darker people only get the role of the help. Now Hollywood is changing. It will be a long time off until Hollywood does the same.I sometimes go to movie theatres in Pattaya. The Thais in the pre-movie advertisements are always very white looking. It is very noticeable and disturbing. It just doesn't look natural.
Now Hollywood is changing. It will be a long time off until Hollywood does the same.I guess you intended to write Bollywood here.
I do notice in Hollywood movies, generally the lighter dark women are chosen. Generally I like it. Of course I am biased to the prettiest ones. O.K. for the guys to be much darker, like Eddie Murphy. Zoe Saldana looks just fine to me, even when she is green.
No of black female No. 1 leading characters in Hollywood movies? Not many, but occasionally happens, and usually if they are very light black. I face facts. Nubian black might just be a bit too much for me to get used to immediately, but certainly liked a few girls out of Africa. I look at nose as usual for all races and like upturned, which is probably rare in India, or is it only rare in the light skinned movie stars? LOL I have not been to India.
I really liked Denzel Washington movies with a few favourites, and liked his leading lady a lot in Deja Vu (Paula Patton). I also liked a lot his movie Fallen, which hardly had a leading lady. Every one likes Morgan Freeman no matter how ugly he was. LOL It is hard to name a lot of big movie star back females. Sure there is Halle Berry (part Farang I think), obviously I like Zoe Saldana, Sharri Headley (from way back), Kerri Washington, Gugu Mbatha-Raw (from England half Farang), and Nathalie Emmanuel. Most guys will struggle to name a lot. There are a lot of older ones of course that I liked years ago. Can't really name a favourite black actress that is not somewhat pretty for me, or used to be.
Exotic looks are working for me, and I liked Asian a lot ever since James Bond only lived twice in Japan.
I sometimes go to movie theatres in Pattaya. The Thais in the pre-movie advertisements are always very white looking. It is very noticeable and disturbing. It just doesn't look natural.Almost all Thai advertising is of a juvenile nature, basically an insult to intelligence or childish, trying to be amusing or entertaining without much substance, and prone to extremely exaggerated scenes and acting. Seems to suck the Thais in to watch the ads. I find 90% of them to be just annoying. Perhaps all western advertising will head in the same direction. Ads could easily be about how white her skin could be or white underarms, or dazzling hair or teeth, mouthwash, etc. Or junk food ads are plentiful.
Where 50% of Indian ads seem to be about manly cologne or underarm deodorants. LOL, at least this is the case on a sports channel. I don't watch regular channels.
I find it very disturbing when Thai females put very white makeup on the face and of course the rest of the body does not match at all. The Ghostly look. LOL Does put me off, but tolerate it for my regular girls. One of them sometimes comes with exaggerated makeup and other times with none. LOL
Thais are biased by region. look down on dark skinned Isaan girls from Buriram as being Lao, when actually they look very little like Laotians of Wian Jan (Vientiane), probably more Khmer blood from old times. They generally believe that southern people have "Black Hearts", and yet I found southerners including muslims to be very friendly and easy to get on with for my limited time there (at least outside of the conflict 3 Malay oriented provinces). Generally a very honest community such that was a huge shock for one Satun girl to report her property was burgled, and lost some valuables including cash. Never dawned on her that would happen in her peaceful province Satun.
If anything I found the Northern Thais to be the least trustworthy. Always better to evaluate individuals, naturally. Northern Thai girls with a big square shared face don't appeal to me. That is not all of them, I have selected several supposedly Chiang Rai girls in Soapies with slimmer faces.
HorseTrader
09-23-18, 21:58
I am sorry but this goes totally against the scientific evidence and makes your statement seem very silly. We all know very well that Sildenafil does not take anything like 2 hours to take effect, even if it varies due to eating etc. I have had occasions to feel the flush on face from it after 20 to 25 minutes. However science says should reach peak absorption between 30 mins to 1 hour(slightly delayable by certain foods). Can it really take much longer to work for you and then last at least 4 times longer as well. Seems very unlikely. I would like to hear a scientific explanation of how your body could fail to get rid of it compared to others. So very hard to believe you could be so extremely different.
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Link to a scientific study which I did not think mentioned any great variation in the test subjects.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874258/
I have a friend that experiences the same results in that Sildenafil takes an hour or two to start working but when it kicks in lasts for around 24 hours complete with horrific side affects. He has less side affects with Cialis but actually started to use levitra and it is much better so definitely give that a try.Syzygies and Bubba Boy got me thinking about how long Sildenafil can last. Syzygies provides a link to data that looks valid, but Bubba Boy's friend and I both notice Sildenafil takes much longer to start working and lasts much longer than Syzygies data would suggest. One data point for me was last Friday I took about 50 MG at 7:30 PM and didn't get laid until about 3:30 PM on Saturday, it was still working good enough (it would have been better hours before).
I found this article:
https://www.healthline.com/health/erectile-dysfunction/how-long-does-viagra-last#additional-factors.
It supports both Syzygies' position plus Bubba Boy's friend's and my experience. Some important points: (1) normally takes 30 to 60 minutes to start working, but, it may take up to 2 hours to work. I'm definitely in the 2 hour category. (2) It normally lasts 2 or 3 hours before the effects start to diminish. It can last 5 hours or longer. I'm definitely in the longer than 5 hour category. (3) Viagra works for a longer period when you're 65 or older. Sadly, I'm definitely 65 or older. I first noticed it working extra long when I was about 62.
Based on my reading and personal experience over many years, it is clear that this stuff affects some of us differently.
Based on my reading and personal experience over many years, it is clear that this stuff affects some of us differently.Yes of course. All medication affects us differently. The human body has a wide range of physiological traits and that is what ensures our survival in the evolutionary pool.
One data point for me was last Friday I took about 50 MG at 7:30 PM and didn't get laid until about 3:30 PM on Saturday, it was still working good enough (it would have been better hours before).
Might I suggest that the period of getting no sex allows your dick to be possibly working well enough, with almost zero effect after 20 hours. Naturally depends on the girl too. Would be interesting to see what gets reported with a placebo.
There are several possibilities.
I would be unwise to be relying on Sildenafil working at 20 hours (5 normal half lives). Should be having no effect.
If more than one person experience the same, then a possibility is you are getting something that is actually Tadalafil or a cocktail, which has a much longer half life.
I don't see any scientific mention such vast variation in how long it lasts. To reach full working at 2 hours is a bit easier to swallow, however again I don't see anything reported about real Viagra to take that long.
I am a very sceptical scientist type, so I prefer the scientific data than anecdotal evidence from uncontrolled tests. I am not aware of the psychological effects as well. Maybe any time I used with weak results, could be caused by delayed onset, but I don't jump to the conclusion easily. Always alternate explanations.
I don't see a big problem for my dick with GF with no medication. Psychological factors, or just a fucking nice pussy, or sex starved?
HorseTrader
09-24-18, 05:58
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If more than one person experience the same, then a possibility is you are getting something that is actually Tadalafil or a cocktail, which has a much longer half life.
I don't see any scientific mention such vast variation in how long it lasts. To reach full working at 2 hours is a bit easier to swallow, however again I don't see anything reported about real Viagra to take that long.
I am a very sceptical scientist type, so I prefer the scientific data than anecdotal evidence from uncontrolled tests.My experience from Friday/Saturday used name brand Viagra purchased from a pharmacy in USA. Very doubtful that it was anything other than as labeled.
I'm also a skeptical scientist who spent a career dealing with informal observations that often turned out to be erroneous when recorded data was available to confirm or refute the informal observations. I'm highly confident that my observations are not placebo effect, but they still aren't part of a blind test. I know how lousy I perform when unsupported by ED meds and the 50 MG Viagra definitely worked good enough at 20 hours.
It would be difficult to conduct a blind study of longevity of Viagra because the side effects are so nasty. Would need a placebo that had the similar side effects.
I know how lousy I perform when unsupported by ED meds and the 50 MG Viagra definitely worked good enough at 20 hours.
I accept my performance varies without always knowing why, with and without meds. First 3 days I was excessively horny in Thailand and cum very easy. Two days later it all changed for no good reason I could think of. Can be tired, ate too much, drank too much, girl's pussy does not suit, many things. I know cough medicine completely destroys my dick feeling. Being sick can have bad effect too.
Yes I accept USA Viagra should be okay.
I accept my performance varies without always knowing why, with and without meds. First 3 days I was excessively horny in Thailand and cum very easy. Two days later it all changed for no good reason I could think of. Can be tired, ate too much, drank too much, girl's pussy does not suit, many things. I know cough medicine completely destroys my dick feeling. Being sick can have bad effect too.
Yes I accept USA Viagra should be okay.Bring my late 50's I too find my performance is erratic so pretty much every day in Pattaya I take a 50 MG every lunchtime and top up if I have to. I'm sure it's the abundance of sex that I'm not used to and age that contribute to my need for assistance.
At home I'm lucky to laid by the wife once a week so it's not an issue.
Crocodilexp
09-25-18, 01:25
Might I suggest that the period of getting no sex allows your dick to be possibly working well enough, with almost zero effect after 20 hours. Naturally depends on the girl too. Would be interesting to see what gets reported with a placebo.Psychological effects are significant. There's a substantial boost from simply knowing you're on ED pills and unlikely to go down.
In fact, for me, when not taking ED pills, the main cause of going down occasionally is the thought that I'm about to go down.
At home I'm lucky to laid by the wife once a week so it's not an issue.That is not too bad. LOL Or should I say depressingly normal. Even having a Thai Mrs. Can be a bit irregular.
Many are conservative about having sex of any type during period.
Her Period was over end of last week and Mrs got home a bit drunk from fermented rice wine (called Saatuu) yesterday. I took advantage of her lack of control promptly, and pulled her clothes off. This allowed me to get one two days running. Quite abnormal, unfortunately.
If she smokes weed and drinks beer, that can get her in the mood too.
Pity we have to rely on substances to improve chances.
Bring my late 50's I too find my performance is erratic so pretty much every day in Pattaya I take a 50 MG every lunchtime and top up if I have to. I'm sure it's the abundance of sex that I'm not used to and age that contribute to my need for assistance.
At home I'm lucky to laid by the wife once a week so it's not an issue.All of us 50 plus need to get those testosterone levels tested and if they are low, go on TRT.
That is not too bad. LOL Or should I say depressingly normal. Even having a Thai Mrs. Can be a bit irregular.
Many are conservative about having sex of any type during period.
Her Period was over end of last week and Mrs got home a bit drunk from fermented rice wine (called Saatuu) yesterday. I took advantage of her lack of control promptly, and pulled her clothes off. This allowed me to get one two days running. Quite abnormal, unfortunately.
If she smokes weed and drinks beer, that can get her in the mood too.
Pity we have to rely on substances to improve chances.Do true. Mine is Indo and usually is too tired after work to engage In marital intercourse. Occasionally I will get 2 times in 2 to 3 days but usually it's a Saturday night special LOL.
When in Pattaya my frequency increases to at least girls and I know from experience that after 2 to 3 days regardless of the quality of the girls my dick doesn't want to know about it LOL.
All of us 50 plus need to get those testosterone levels tested and if they are low, go on TRT.I have a check up tomorrow, I will ask the doc to include it.
I do trt. It is a great thing. I am having a bit of a time getting in all dialed in right. Testosterone injections can cause estrogen to rise. Then you have to take pills to lower that, but not too low. It is around 1500 thb to get it checked, more if you get more stuff checked. Testosterone cypionate is cheap enough.
If you are american it can be hard to find a dr that will prescribe trt.
All of us 50 plus need to get those testosterone levels tested and if they are low, go on TRT.
All of us 50 plus need to get those testosterone levels tested and if they are low, go on TRT.Yes good idea. Should be worrying if have days when not fucking horny. LOL Maybe Red Cross can test that too? They test my Uric acid levels.
I asked about hair loss with doc and she suggest Propecia. Having read about it being like a female hormone, and messing with libido, I though fuck that, too dangerous. Put up with the thinning patch.
All of us 50 plus need to get those testosterone levels tested and if they are low, go on TRT.What is TRT? Is there a specific brand for that?
Testosterone replacement therapy. If you have low testosterone count, you inject yourself with testosterone twice a week. Or you can get a slow release thing injected in your body that releases testoterone into you for 6 months. The okay scale is between 280 and ?1100? Many men have lower amt as they age.
What is TRT? Is there a specific brand for that?
HorseTrader
09-25-18, 13:43
Testosterone replacement therapy. If you have low testosterone count, you inject yourself with testosterone twice a week. Or you can get a slow release thing injected in your body that releases testoterone into you for 6 months. The okay scale is between 280 and ?1100? Many men have lower amt as they age.Testoterone is also available in a gel form that you rub on your shoulders every day. Very easy. Painfully expensive in USA.
Yes good idea. Should be worrying if have days when not fucking horny. LOL Maybe Red Cross can test that too? They test my Uric acid levels.
I asked about hair loss with doc and she suggest Propecia. Having read about it being like a female hormone, and messing with libido, I though fuck that, too dangerous. Put up with the thinning patch.Some guys do ok on Propecia, some don't. I tried it on two occasions and both times found myself depressed and with a low libido after a month, so stopped. Tried topical minoxidil but had sides from that as well. So will just put up with thinning hair. Getting older sucks no matter how you slice it.
Some guys do ok on Propecia, some don't. I tried it on two occasions and both times found myself depressed and with a low libido after a month, so stopped. Tried topical minoxidil but had sides from that as well. So will just put up with thinning hair. Getting older sucks no matter how you slice it.Not so bad with access to younger girls. I lament the wasted years with ex Farang wife. There are worse things than losing hair, for sure. Better to have good health at least.
Imagine if had the chance to come here 40 years ago for long periods. How good would that have been? I did arrive here 35 years ago but with wife so was very limiting indeed. However I already knew this was a fun place. Little did I know that I would start to learn Thai before the next visit though. That was with no wife and maybe 8 years later.
So next assignment is some countries, less advanced than Thailand for a nice visit. Hopefully like getting into a time machine and going backwards.
Maybe its bad to be stuck in the modern world.
A piece of trivia about Thai herbs.
Syzygium Gratum: The leaf extract of this plant found in Thailand and SE Asia has extreme antioxidant properties shown by studies.
The shoots and young leaves are eaten raw with nam phrik, with vermicelli or with southern food. They are also served blanched with nam phrik. The tannic taste is helpful for stomach disorder.
Also called: phak mek, samet chun.
Robert Long
09-28-18, 20:25
Testoterone is also available in a gel form that you rub on your shoulders every day. Very easy. Painfully expensive in USA.I've been on the regiment for 4 years. Very happy with the results. They test every 6 months for blood count, T levels and prostrate condition. Yes it's expensive and so what? At 72 I feel great and can walk, run, play golf and fu_k. Even Jet lag is reduced when I return to Hawaii after 3 weeks in Bkk.
And for all of you doubting Thomas types, you don't live forever anyway, so make the most of it now. My T level is around 1000, where it was when I was 21. Without the T shot I would be at 189. It's natures way of telling men that you have no desire for sex. Just like looking at an older woman, ugg. So why not do the thing that defeats nature? We already use Viagra, Cialis and Levitra.
Go for it. RL.
HorseTrader
09-29-18, 01:42
Testoterone is also available in a gel form that you rub on your shoulders every day. Very easy. Painfully expensive in USA.
Yes it's expensive and so what? At 72 I feel great and can walk, run, play golf and fu_k.
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And for all of you doubting Thomas types, you don't live forever anyway, so make the most of it now. My T level is around 1000, where it was when I was 21. Without the T shot I would be at 189.In light of Robert Long's positive comments on testosterone, I thought I'd quantify my description of "Painfully expensive in USA" for the gel. I use Androgel 1.62% and I'm just finishing the last little bit that was paid by insurance. I need 2 pumps per day of 1.62% Androgel to get to just 350 total testosterone and 4 pumps per day to get to 450 total testosterone. Looking at online Rx price references, I'm expecting 2 pumps per day to cost about $21/day and the 4 pumps per day to cost about $42 per day.
Different people use different amounts of this stuff. I'm impressed with level of 1000 at age 72, I doubt that I could get there.
I've noticed that online prices show there is generic Androgel 1.0% available. This will probably cost about $3 per day or $6 per day for similar amount of testosterone. Still not cheap.
I believe I read that people were getting testosterone injections for much less money.
Looking at online Rx price references, I'm expecting 2 pumps per day to cost about $21/day and the 4 pumps per day to cost about $42 per day.
Different people use different amounts of this stuff. I'm impressed with level of 1000 at age 72, I doubt that I could get there.
I've noticed that online prices show there is generic Androgel 1.0% available. This will probably cost about $3 per day or $6 per day for similar amount of testosterone. Still not cheap.
I believe I read that people were getting testosterone injections for much less money.Well that is a huge difference in price similar to comparing Sidegra with Viagra. LOL.
I am somewhat younger and in reasonable condition, but I do notice I can go for even 3 weeks with no sex when very busy working. Perhaps this is a worry and means I need testing badly. But very hard to go that long without even a wank. I do find I can cancel girl sessions if goes south like she wants me to wear her thick condoms.
Is there a recommendation for testing in Thailand. I will ask at the Red cross next visit but I guess it is outside their scope.
Robert Long
09-29-18, 20:36
In light of Robert Long's positive comments on testosterone, I thought I'd quantify my description of "Painfully expensive in USA" for the gel. I use Androgel 1.62% and I'm just finishing the last little bit that was paid by insurance. I need 2 pumps per day of 1.62% Androgel to get to just 350 total testosterone and 4 pumps per day to get to 450 total testosterone. Looking at online Rx price references, I'm expecting 2 pumps per day to cost about $21/day and the 4 pumps per day to cost about $42 per day.
Different people use different amounts of this stuff. I'm impressed with level of 1000 at age 72, I doubt that I could get there.
I've noticed that online prices show there is generic Androgel 1.0% available. This will probably cost about $3 per day or $6 per day for similar amount of testosterone. Still not cheap.
I believe I read that people were getting testosterone injections for much less money.Horse,
My prescription is Testosterone CYP / Anastrozole 200 MG which I draw from a vial and use 185 MG into my leg muscle. Once a week. The Anastrozole is a female hormone that they say is needed. This is premixed. They also say when on this regiment that our body stops making testosterone which is a natural reaction. It's ok because it was so low that the replacement takes over and fulfills the bodies needs.
I was slowing down and never thought of sex before I started on the reg. Now I am horney as hell and have sex 3-4 times a week if I have a willing partner. I have noticed that Thai GF's like sex 1-2 times a week only. BTW, our sport is not cheap. I pulled ladies from Thermae 5 nights in a row and the total was close to $400.00. Still better than wanking.
RL.
...Tried topical minoxidil but had sides from that as well. So will just put up with thinning hair. Getting older sucks no matter how you slice it.Did you get libido problems from minoxidil? It's not supposed to interfere with libido. I've been using minoxidil for decades. Wouldn't touch propecia with a barge-pole though.
Have the gentlemen here who use testosterone first given DHEA a try? DHEA is a logical first-ditch step.
Did you get libido problems from minoxidil? It's not supposed to interfere with libido. I've been using minoxidil for decades. Wouldn't touch propecia with a barge-pole though.
I've been using minoxidil for a couple of years and have never seen info on possible low libido side effects. In conjunction with minoxidil I also used Finasteride (Propecia generic) and that absolutely lowers your libido and also robs you of your ejaculate.
As soon as I knew what was going on I stopped the Finasteride and have continued with minoxidil. Another thing, if you exercise regularly that is also a fountain of youth.
Did you get libido problems from minoxidil? It's not supposed to interfere with libido. I've been using minoxidil for decades. Wouldn't touch propecia with a barge-pole though.
Have the gentlemen here who use testosterone first given DHEA a try? DHEA is a logical first-ditch step.He wrote side effects. That does not imply libido problems at all from Minoxidil. Generally Doctors consider Propecia as the most effective one for Hair loss but like you, I would not touch it.
I took some serious medication maybe 25 years ago for acne. Change of diet probably would have been far more effective. I now have to live with skin problems that are most likely side effects (un documented) that came after that. It is better not to take things that are not really necessary.
Too many antibiotics also stuffed my metabolism as well. We often pay the price. Hair loss maybe not such a huge problem. I just wish it would be lost from balls, armpits, and ass. LOL.
If have low testosterone, most beneficial things reported on web were: More sleep, keep weight down, exercise. Suppliments considered to be quite useless by many experts.
DHEA was more useful for other things. E. g. Depression, blood pressure, skin aging, etc. A possible side effect of DHEA was hair loss.
Why do you not inject testosterone? It is way cheaper then the gel. I inject and it is easy enough to do. I think the thing they put in you that self releases isn't that expensive either. Certainly no where close to 42 a day.
In light of Robert Long's positive comments on testosterone, I thought I'd quantify my description of "Painfully expensive in USA" for the gel. I use Androgel 1.62% and I'm just finishing the last little bit that was paid by insurance. I need 2 pumps per day of 1.62% Androgel to get to just 350 total testosterone and 4 pumps per day to get to 450 total testosterone. Looking at online Rx price references, I'm expecting 2 pumps per day to cost about $21/day and the 4 pumps per day to cost about $42 per day.
Different people use different amounts of this stuff. I'm impressed with level of 1000 at age 72, I doubt that I could get there.
I've noticed that online prices show there is generic Androgel 1.0% available. This will probably cost about $3 per day or $6 per day for similar amount of testosterone. Still not cheap.
I believe I read that people were getting testosterone injections for much less money.
HorseTrader
09-30-18, 20:34
Why do you not inject testosterone? It is way cheaper then the gel. I inject and it is easy enough to do. I think the thing they put in you that self releases isn't that expensive either. Certainly no where close to 42 a day.My doctor went straight to the Androgel without any other suggestions. It was easy, it works, and was covered by insurance. I have different insurance now that doesn't pay for Androgel. I'm considering different treatments as well as different insurance.
I'm in USA so this sort of treatment needs to be prescribed by my doctor. I can make requests, but I cannot just get any treatment that I want.
Did you get libido problems from minoxidil? It's not supposed to interfere with libido. I've been using minoxidil for decades. Wouldn't touch propecia with a barge-pole though.
Have the gentlemen here who use testosterone first given DHEA a try? DHEA is a logical first-ditch step.The minoxidil did not effect my libido, but I did have systemic effects from it such as shortness of breath, puffy eyes, etc. Happened to me on three different occasions. The sides kicked in after about a month of use and took a few weeks to abate after stopping. Perhaps it was due to using a local brand where quality control is not so good. I don't know.
We should be talking about libido increasers.
I bought this bottle of Smirnoff Max 37% from Tesco Supermarket fairly cheaply.
I did not really like it. Tasted faintly like red bull. Maybe has Guarana. A little bit sweet.
GF likes Japanese "Ume" (plum wine) from Max Value or Big see, but this is much stronger.
She liked it and seemed to work very well as a leg opener such that having just showered, she even gave the big hint, that daughter is not home for a while.
She did complain my face was not quite smooth in the DATY. She prefers absolutely smooth (my shave was not quite good).
Just like we prefer smooth pussy and no finger nails on dick.
Not sure if she smoked any Ganja today, as could not smell it. Normally that is the big way to make her horny.
Might push my luck and try to get one 3 days running. After many years, still not bored to fuck her.
A good fit pussy stays good, even expands a bit during the sex to allow full penetration by the end.
I had not yet eaten anything today, only water and coffee, so that helps me to be strong, even if wasn't necessary in the morning.
Good sleep + no food + BBFS + no wanking in recent times + wildcat girl = all help for making me cum easy today.
She complained to be tired and enough, just before I did cum. Too much writhing. LOL.
She later asked (in gest) if I would like a second round? LOL She never gives a second round and usually 40 minutes in her limit. We used only 35.
Continue to lose weight does no harm at all. Sex after a big meal is not as good. Your body is putting much effort into the digestion process.
These thoughts should be obvious I suppose. Common sense.
We should be talking about libido increasers..Ganja makes me horny. Unfortunately, when in BKK.
But the rest of your post is spot on to the max. I am losing weight and gaining back my pecker prowess. Sam with no food before the hum, don't let digestion interfere.
I was just reading somewhere Thailand is ranked 2nd in the world for worst levels of road carnage. Just this year have heard of two guys from local village killed on Motorcycles. One a teenager (raced into side of a truck), and one a family man at new year (Songkran), possibly drunk or hit by drunk driver. Found mangled on roadside. Helmets? Maybe not.
Thais mostly go and buy a driver's license. So no necessity to know the road rules, and certainly don't abstain when drunk.
If Thais should go for a driver's test, they have to have a certificate guaranteeing their eye sight is good enough, from a Doctor, or Hospital. They go and purchase the certificate. No eye testing actually happens. A high proportion are short sighted and may need glasses for driving. Doesn't really happen that they drive with glasses on I think.
Yes still a very corrupt country. Is the military government fixing things? They are more image conscious rather than making real change, one feels. Stupid things like clean the street food vendors off certain main roads. Illegal late night cart bars can still open if they pay enough.
LittleBigMan
10-01-18, 16:49
I was just reading somewhere Thailand is ranked 2nd in the world for worst levels of road carnage. Just this year have heard of two guys from local village killed on Motorcycles. One a teenager (raced into side of a truck), and one a family man at new year (Songkran), possibly drunk or hit by drunk driver. Found mangled on roadside. Helmets? Maybe not.
Thais mostly go and buy a driver's license. So no necessity to know the road rules, and certainly don't abstain when drunk.
If Thais should go for a driver's test, they have to have a certificate guaranteeing their eye sight is good enough, from a Doctor, or Hospital. They go and purchase the certificate. No eye testing actually happens. A high proportion are short sighted and may need glasses for driving. Doesn't really happen that they drive with glasses on I think.
Yes still a very corrupt country. Is the military government fixing things? They are more image conscious rather than making real change, one feels. Stupid things like clean the street food vendors off certain main roads. Illegal late night cart bars can still open if they pay enough.That was a few years back, the last two they are ranked #1 in the world. Sure there will be individuals who might disagree and try to turn the numbers to defend.
As for road rules, it is tough for any country to enforce or teach when those doing the enforcing or teaching have a different interpretation than what the rule was intended or actually execution. Thus the ignorant phrase Thais use " this is thailand ".
My opinion? The last read Thailand was ranked something like 96 in the world for corruption and yet the corruption is so open and in your face, one wonders what it would be like if they were rank higher. A few years I read due to corruption Thailand loses something like 200 billion a year plus in a survey, Thai people feel a bit of corruption is acceptable too. The current guy is nothing but a puppet in my opinion appointed solely to keep order before the big day comes which already has come and gone HM. The guy loves the job who wouldn't with all the so-called benefits and the delay of the vote has only re-enforce to guy like me everything is being done and put in place so he is sure to win. It is nothing but smoke and mirrors the leaders have pretty much mastered it here? Fixing things would mean the end of a good thing and a steady stream of baht.
Robert Long
10-01-18, 19:42
I was just reading somewhere Thailand is ranked 2nd in the world for worst levels of road carnage. Just this year have heard of two guys from local village killed on Motorcycles. One a teenager (raced into side of a truck), and one a family man at new year (Songkran), possibly drunk or hit by drunk driver. Found mangled on roadside. Helmets? Maybe not.
Thais mostly go and buy a driver's license. So no necessity to know the road rules, and certainly don't abstain when drunk.
If Thais should go for a driver's test, they have to have a certificate guaranteeing their eye sight is good enough, from a Doctor, or Hospital. They go and purchase the certificate. No eye testing actually happens. A high proportion are short sighted and may need glasses for driving. Doesn't really happen that they drive with glasses on I think.
Yes still a very corrupt country. Is the military government fixing things? They are more image conscious rather than making real change, one feels. Stupid things like clean the street food vendors off certain main roads. Illegal late night cart bars can still open if they pay enough.Have you ever been and driven in Indonesia? It is pure insanity. Tour Busses run families on motorbikes off the road. Drivers are so rude they do not let anyone cut into the flow. In Jakarta men stop the flow of major streets so that the other side road cars can immerge, and the cars that immerge throw small money to the man for his service. Balinese are wonderful people until they get behind the wheel, then they turn into pure evil. Motorbikes by the hundreds are like fly's on shit, weaving their way thru the masses of cars.
Thailand is a dream to drive in compared to Indonesia. Motorbike accidents happen all day long you see at least 3 a day as you drive to your destination.
RL.
Crocodilexp
10-01-18, 22:50
Have you ever been and driven in Indonesia? It is pure insanity.Driving in Indonesia is an insane mess, but traffic almost always moves slowly, due to a permanent traffic jam everywhere and narrow, poor quality roads. In Thailand, the roads are so much better, so everyone moves much faster (140 km / h is not unusual even on normal 4-lane roads, and occasionally up to 100 km / h in the city), and the consequences of an accident are more serious (at least for cars; motorbikes are toast either way).
In Indonesia, when I'm in a taxi or Grab Car, I'm more afraid of ending up in a ditch (their ditches are numerous and deep!) than of contact with another car. In Thailand, I just pray nobody (either my driver or another car/bus/van) makes the wrong move.
Thailand is a dream to drive in compared to Indonesia. Motorbike accidents happen all day long you see at least 3 a day as you drive to your destination.
RL.What you wrote sounds similar to Thailand but maybe not as bad here. I may only see 3 motorbike accidents every 10 years here. Very common to hear here of a motorbike being smashed up after was lent to a friend, girlfriend, etc. who has no experience, no care, drunk, etc.
I can ask Natty be for his opinion too. I would be interested to know what is the reason for being worse than Thailand? Do the people have a different mindset, or roads much worse?
Are Indonesians more aggressive in general? More selfish? Do they have even less "kreng jai" (imposing on others) than Thais?
What you wrote sounds similar to Thailand but maybe not as bad here. I may only see 3 motorbike accidents every 10 years here.
I can ask Natty be for his opinion too. I would be interested to know what is the reason for being worse than Thailand? Do the people have a different mindset, or roads much worse?
Are Indonesians more aggressive in general? More selfish? Do they have even less "kreng jai" (imposing on others) than Thais?Having driven in Java, Lombok and Bali I can say that the Thais probably obey the rules of the road more. In Bali in particular it is a common sight to see motor bikes being ridden on fairly crowded footpaths with scowls on the riders face if you do not give them room to pass. The Indonesians can turn a 2 lane dual carriageway into 3 lanes and I mean in cars not bikes.
The roads I have traveled in Thailand are superior to Indonesian roads comparing tollways as the Thai roads are less congested and run smoother.
Having driven in Java, Lombok and Bali I can say that the Thais probably obey the rules of the road more. .I thought there was only 1 rule here: "whoever gets there first, wins" I have finally driven in Thailand these last two years but only out in the country. Don't fancy the unpredictability of other drivers in traffic. The level of watchfulness required is perhaps too much for me in Bangkok. Motorcycles dodging and weaving. I am just too concerned I could hit one easily That appeared out of no where. I think everyone almost needs a new set of skills to drive here.
Not sure if my temperament is right (impatient) to handle other drivers trying to edge the front corner of their vehicle in front of mine. You really have to be ultra cool here.
I hate 50%+ of taxi drivers, because of the continual pumping of the pedals, mostly for no apparent reason, causing a very jerky ride. This is not Formula 1, right? They would not get a license in my country.
What you wrote sounds similar to Thailand but maybe not as bad here. I may only see 3 motorbike accidents every 10 years here. Very common to hear here of a motorbike being smashed up after was lent to a friend, girlfriend, etc. who has no experience, no care, drunk, etc.
I can ask Natty be for his opinion too. I would be interested to know what is the reason for being worse than Thailand? Do the people have a different mindset, or roads much worse?
Are Indonesians more aggressive in general? More selfish? Do they have even less "kreng jai" (imposing on others) than Thais?You've obviously never been to Indonesia. There is no comparison. There are very few motorbikes on the streets in Thailand relative to Indonesia. At any red light in Jakarta at rush hour, there will be a couple hundred motorbikes stacked up at the front of the cue in between and all around the cars when the light changes to green. You don't see that in Thailand.
HorseTrader
10-03-18, 15:37
You've obviously never been to Indonesia. There is no comparison. There are very few motorbikes on the streets in Thailand relative to Indonesia. At any red light in Jakarta at rush hour, there will be a couple hundred motorbikes stacked up at the front of the cue in between and all around the cars when the light changes to green. You don't see that in Thailand.I've only been in Thailand for 2 months and the roadways scare me. BKK is crazy, but car speeds are slow. The place that scares me is Koh Samui. Narrow, twisting mountain roads where scooters have 3 people and max out at about 20 km/hr up a hill. Meanwhile, cars are going 80 km/hr and they cross and pass 3-cars wide or 2 cars plus 2 scooters. That on narrow 2 lane road.
I watched one accident where a car sideswiped a scooter to the ground. My taxi driver acted as if it didn't even happen. All cars kept moving. I have no idea what happened to the scooter rider.
I'll never get on a scooter in Thailand. Being in a taxi is crazy enough. Too many Thai people are not safety conscious. Its worse than lack of training and laws.
Have you ever been and driven in Indonesia? It is pure insanity.
Thailand is a dream to drive in compared to Indonesia. Motorbike accidents happen all day long you see at least 3 a day as you drive to your destination.You must understand that the real and only danger to indonesian society is narkoba! narkoba!
What is it if people get killed and mained by the hundreds each day, as long as they don't get high? The wheels of trucks and car need to be greased with the blood and viscera of healthy drug-free youth who are the proud future of the nation.
If running over people is your kick Indonesia is a paradise. Be careful the cops who arrive at the carnage scene don't find a suspicious tablet in your blood-splashed car though because you'll be in serious trouble. Of course if your car is not seriously dammaged from the smashing of bodies you can ride on immediately without waiting for the cops. You can cover dried bloodstains on your bumper with anti narkoba stickers.
LittleBigMan
10-03-18, 21:11
You've obviously never been to Indonesia. There is no comparison. There are very few motorbikes on the streets in Thailand relative to Indonesia. At any red light in Jakarta at rush hour, there will be a couple hundred motorbikes stacked up at the front of the cue in between and all around the cars when the light changes to green. You don't see that in Thailand.Never been to Indonesia but driven all over Thailand. Even today I put in a good 50 KM a day, I do lots of the stuff local Thais do to keep myself from sitting at the long unnecessary signals including riding on the sidewalks and going down the wrong way the difference I do it believe it or not with caution.
As noted, the road in Thailand is very good they spend billions to kiss the Chinese ass to move them around the problem with their ranking, 1st in the World and that includes Indonesia, 25,000 death a year, 85 percent comes from the motorbike sector, the rest of the 15 percent comes from drunk drivers, it is projected something like a 1 million injuries to hospital with billions spent on taking care of those who don't die that are paralyzed or brain dead?
When I read the discussion and look at the photos it isn't congestion that is killing Thais, the fact they have taken a vehicle and the rules from the West and turn them upside down including how to properly execute a simple maneuver like a left or right turn. Majority of the problems are self-inflicted due to a lack of patience, consideration and courteous. Then you add on the poor design of their roads and the long wait at intersection lights it is a breeding ground for death. Outside of Bangkok, the roads are smooth and long including in Pattaya. Pattaya Sukhumvit, the lights are timed at 120 seconds to the next light so take a guess why some travel 120 plus they don't want to waiting at the next light.
Thailand has rules but the majority don't under them and that includes the government officials and all the BIB, the main reason why in 10 years with millions from the WHO, they continue to move up because no matter what they come up with it is just laughable to the foreigners. Enforcement is what teaches but there is like 1 percent chance you would get stop in Pattaya so outside upcountry what you think it is going to be? Here it is pedal to metal no such thing as slowing down the theory is you got to look after me, me first no such thing as right or way or even losing it. I've been at an intersection where I stopped because I could see and hear an oncoming car hit the gas indicating I bigger so watch out to only have another biker fly past me never even consider the reason why I was stopped twice dead on arrival before the guy even hit the floor. I've seen vehicles stop work their way slowly to make their turns having already taken away oncoming vehicles right away yet they end up crashing into the vehicle as if they did it on purpose.
What is happening here in Thailand can be easily fixed but there isn't anyone or the lost of face preventing them from asking for outside help. Every traffic congestion problem isn't due to the volume of vehicles it is self-inflicted due to lack of education mentally which is required in driving.
Franciscass
10-04-18, 04:13
I quite often walk by the Ploenchit / Sukhumvit entrance to the highway. Traffic coming from the Ploenchit direction is not allowed through to Sukhumvit and must take the highway. Now while there is no obvious danger to pedestrians or drivers going straight through (simply traffic flow management) this is strictly enforced by a team of 3 to 4 BIB who collect the associated fines. Meanwhile meters up the road at the soi 3 intersection motor cyclists and drivers routinely drive through red lights, block pedestrians from safely crossing all under the watchful eye of the bib in the control hut. A little further along Sukhumvit some 7 to 8 Thetsakij spend their day collecting fines from foreigners who drop cigarette butts. Don't get me wrong I live here, I love the country, the people, the food, the massages but its obvious at least to me priorities have to change if they hope to get a grip on what is a costly national tragedy both in terms of lives lost and the consequent negative impact on economic growth.
I quite often walk by the Ploenchit / Sukhumvit entrance to the highway. Traffic coming from the Ploenchit direction is not allowed through to Sukhumvit and must take the highway. Now while there is no obvious danger to pedestrians or drivers going straight through (simply traffic flow management) this is strictly enforced by a team of 3 to 4 BIB who collect the associated fines. Meanwhile meters up the road at the soi 3 intersection motor cyclists and drivers routinely drive through red lights, block pedestrians from safely crossing all under the watchful eye of the bib in the control hut. A little further along Sukhumvit some 7 to 8 Thetsakij spend their day collecting fines from foreigners who drop cigarette butts. Don't get me wrong I live here, I love the country, the people, the food, the massages but its obvious at least to me priorities have to change if they hope to get a grip on what is a costly national tragedy both in terms of lives lost and the consequent negative impact on economic growth.Here is how I deal with the blatant weirdness here:
1. I wear my seatbelt in cabs.
2. I make sure my battery is charged so I can watch videos if stuck on the skytrain.
3. I don't get shit faced drunk, don't do dope, don't litter and smile a lot.
4. I avoid Asoke / Thonglo / Nana on Wed, Friday and Saturday nights after midnight. In fact, once a month is fine for me.
5. I only use MC taxis for back Soi trips.
6. I wear a bandanna over my face on the canal boats.
7. I don't question why. I just go with the flow.
8. I hit TF and WeChat once a day to keep the stable filled.
9. If I get the squirts, I just ride it out.
Life is good.
You've obviously never been to Indonesia. There is no comparison. Yeh I thought I made that evidently plain.
As noted, the road in Thailand is very good they spend billions to kiss the Chinese ass to move them around the problem with their ranking, 1st in the World and that includes Indonesia, 25,000 death a year, 85 percent comes from the motorbike sector, the rest of the 15 percent comes from drunk drivers, it is projected something like a 1 million injuries to hospital with billions spent on taking care of those who don't die that are paralyzed or brain dead?
Total numbers don't mean much, have to compare to total population and give a percentage killed on roads, or numbers per 100,000 of population. China would for sure have the highest numbers of persons killed, no doubt.
On Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate.
It suggests Thailand is 2nd worst far behind Libya and yet twice as bad as Indonesia. Philippines is even much lower than Indonesia. Is it that so many people cannot afford a vehicle or use a low powered motor scooter, or even a bicycle?
Could be Indonesia has many more motorcycle accidents, but if traffic is slow maybe only a small percentage are fatal.
Thailand maybe optimal to combine Dunkedness, youth craziness, speed and power, motorcycles, percentage of population owning a vehicle, lack of driver training and ability, poor care of accident victims, drivers that flee the scene, police and politician incompetence, etc. , and hence result in higher death rate.
Scandinavia has the lowest rates in the world, dare I suggest it relates to the social culture and education, and maybe also lowest rates of corruption in the world?
Could be Indonesia has many more motorcycle accidents, but if traffic is slow maybe only a small percentage are fatal.
Thailand maybe optimal to combine Dunkedness, youth craziness, speed and power, motorcycles, percentage of population owning a vehicle, lack of driver training and ability, poor care of accident victims, drivers that flee the scene, police and politician incompetence, etc. , and hence result in higher death rate.I find accidents in both Indonesia and Thailand to be far less evident than in the USA. I see a major accident in the USA every week. I think the reason they don't die in those major accidents in the US is likely due to the health care system being superior so their lives are saved. As far as accidents, I have never seen anywhere worse than the USA. As far as traffic, Indonesia is the worst I've seen. But it does move turtle slow and the car drivers are very careful of the motorbikes (who are not careful at all).
That being said, just comparing the two countries, I feel much safer on the roads of Thailand than I do on the roads of Indonesia.
Scandinavia has the lowest rates in the world, dare I suggest it relates to the social culture and education, and maybe also lowest rates of corruption in the world?I think social culture has quite a lot to do with it. E.g. macho behaviour is probably more common in Thailand than in Scandinavia. (I'm a tough guy and a very good driver. Helmets, safety belts and driving slowly and carefully are for wimps!)
Blanquiceleste
10-04-18, 14:01
I think social culture has quite a lot to do with it. E.g. macho behaviour is probably more common in Thailand than in Scandinavia. (I'm a tough guy and a very good driver. Helmets, safety belts and driving slowly and carefully are for wimps!)I think this has more to do with education and civic development.
If my understanding of history is right, the Vikings were probably one of the most macho races on earth at one point. But not very educated or civilized. And then over the ages, the Nordic countries have become one of the most civilized and educated places on earth, leaving countries like Thailand to appear more macho! LOL.
LittleBigMan
10-04-18, 22:37
Total numbers don't mean much, have to compare to total population and give a percentage killed on roads, or numbers per 100,000 of population. China would for sure have the highest numbers of persons killed, no doubt.
On Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate.
It suggests Thailand is 2nd worst far behind Libya and yet twice as bad as Indonesia. Philippines is even much lower than Indonesia. Is it that so many people cannot afford a vehicle or use a low powered motor scooter, or even a bicycle?
Could be Indonesia has many more motorcycle accidents, but if traffic is slow maybe only a small percentage are fatal.
Thailand maybe optimal to combine Dunkedness, youth craziness, speed and power, motorcycles, percentage of population owning a vehicle, lack of driver training and ability, poor care of accident victims, drivers that flee the scene, police and politician incompetence, etc. , and hence result in higher death rate.
Scandinavia has the lowest rates in the world, dare I suggest it relates to the social culture and education, and maybe also lowest rates of corruption in the world?One can always formulate a reason or use another country like USA Scandinavia, to justify their position I've heard your reasoning before but in the end, the equation used by statistician applied to all the countries, they didn't just wake up and say to themselves lets get Thailand and twist and form another standard for them.
As of 2017, By the World Health Organization who donates once a year close to 5 million to fix the problem Thailand is currently #1, already surpassed Libya.
Crocodilexp
10-04-18, 22:59
That being said, just comparing the two countries, I feel much safer on the roads of Thailand than I do on the roads of Indonesia.Our sense of risk can be deceiving. For example, many people are afraid of flying, yet almost nobody dreads the taxi ride to the airport, which is far more likely to kill them. Roads in Thailand are far better than in Indonesia. It feels safer, people go faster, and more of them die.
GoodEnough
10-05-18, 00:47
One can always formulate a reason or use another country like USA Scandinavia, to justify their position I've heard your reasoning before but in the end, the equation used by statistician applied to all the countries, they didn't just wake up and say to themselves lets get Thailand and twist and form another standard for them.
As of 2017, By the World Health Organization who donates once a year close to 5 million to fix the problem Thailand is currently #1, already surpassed Libya.I've driven two or three times in Thailand, was frightened each time, and finally gave it up, though I live in the Philippines, am quite habituated to driver insanity and yet drive here every day. I think the major difference in driving fatalities between the two countries can likely be attributed to poorer road conditions in the Philippines. Thailand's roads are far superior, hence drivers can indulge their insanity at higher speed, hence there are more fatalities. The roads are generally so poor here that it's difficult to sustain a speed of more than 30 kph, so the number of fatalities is smaller. The poor discipline, out of control quotient between the two countries appears to me to be about equal.
GE.
I've driven two or three times in Thailand, was frightened each time, and finally gave it up, though I live in the Philippines, am quite habituated to driver insanity and yet drive here every day. I think the major difference in driving fatalities between the two countries can likely be attributed to poorer road conditions in the Philippines. Thailand's roads are far superior, hence drivers can indulge their insanity at higher speed, hence there are more fatalities. The roads are generally so poor here that it's difficult to sustain a speed of more than 30 kph, so the number of fatalities is smaller. The poor discipline, out of control quotient between the two countries appears to me to be about equal.
GE.The real scary thing about driving in Thailand is that the Thai people just don't understand how bad and dangerous drivers they are! When I point out Thailand's road death figures to my tertiary educated Thai friends, they look at me with that 'Yeah, so what?' look that Thai's get when they don't understand a problem. No concept of public safety at all in Thailand.
LittleBigMan
10-05-18, 16:43
The real scary thing about driving in Thailand is that the Thai people just don't understand how bad and dangerous drivers they are! When I point out Thailand's road death figures to my tertiary educated Thai friends, they look at me with that 'Yeah, so what?' look that Thai's get when they don't understand a problem. No concept of public safety at all in Thailand.You just stated what I've been saying in my post. I've had brief conversations and encounters with a few government officials supposedly educated and elite type of Thais and more than my share of BIB and they have no idea because they come from the same school of driving. I'm sure many of us have seen off-duty police and who are they kidding with their white t-shirts, brown pants, and shiny shoes or the higher ranks one who's running around without any helmet. That look as you described is " this is Thailand " as you noted " don't understand " is because they truly don't understand no one has ever taught them to even properly make a right or left turn without holding up traffic. Thais don't even know when a lane is offered to them how to use it to merge into traffic.
When the ranking came out last year Thailand topping the list, many Thais including the government felt it was fake news? Recently studies by their own if it wasn't for all the accidents their GDP would be something like 26 percent? Driving and the death is a bit of a pet [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) to me since I have something at stake here but in the end as long as the Thais are in charge of changing it don't hold your breath and if they do the exchange rate wouldn't be what it is here in Thailand?
Franciscass
10-06-18, 03:22
The real scary thing about driving in Thailand is that the Thai people just don't understand how bad and dangerous drivers they are! When I point out Thailand's road death figures to my tertiary educated Thai friends, they look at me with that 'Yeah, so what?' look that Thai's get when they don't understand a problem. No concept of public safety at all in Thailand.You know the sad irony of so many deaths caused by speeding is that Thais are admirably such a laid back mai pen rai race. Normally life is lived at a relatively slow pace no need to rush. So why when they sit behind the wheel or atop a motorbike are they in such a hurry? Puzzling.
I am back in USA. I want to say thank you to everyone who answered my questions here over the last year. I spent a total of 8 months in thailand over 2 trips. I learned a lot from posters here who took the time to answer my questions.
Sitting by Nana Plaza, waiting for breakfast to start. Feel free to delete if it's garbage.
NC17 to PG13, how quick the transition.
The dawn just arrived and Dawn goes away, to this I am a witness.
Where kisses were once we now see the sun.
Where beggars dare come now the throng has come.
And I sit here still and I contemplate this.
At one time, commute.
At another, a kiss.
You know the sad irony of so many deaths caused by speeding is that Thais are admirably such a laid back mai pen rai race. Normally life is lived at a relatively slow pace no need to rush. So why when they sit behind the wheel or atop a motorbike are they in such a hurry? Puzzling.The thing is that when you are behind a wheel on the road then everyone is an equal and this is significant in a class based society. Does not matter if you are a gizzionaire or a doctor or a janitor or a pauper. Everyone has an equal right of way and the gloves come off. So as to speak. Even in Europe they will tailgate the shit out of you. In US and other places in the West, the culture to drive carefully and follow the laws is ingrained because of the tough enforcement and the penalties. You kill someone and if you are at fault or worse also under the influence, you are screwed, get sued for millions and behind bars, lose driving privilege which in most places in the US will leave you stranded or long hours of commute with public transportation.
You know the sad irony of so many deaths caused by speeding is that Thais are admirably such a laid back mai pen rai race. Normally life is lived at a relatively slow pace no need to rush. So why when they sit behind the wheel or atop a motorbike are they in such a hurry? Puzzling.Same in Mexico and other Latin American countries. A Mexican friend of mine said it is because of the "macho" culture in Latin America. I think there's some credence to that, coupled with the fact that for a $25 USD "bribe", you can get a driver's license without taking a test and without attending driving school, etc.
The thing is that when you are behind a wheel on the road then everyone is an equal and this is significant in a class based society. Does not matter if you are a gizzionaire or a doctor or a janitor or a pauper. Everyone has an equal right of way and the gloves come off. So as to speak. I don't really agree this is the case in Thailand. Police only hassle the poor drivers and turn a blind eye to the rich when possible. They tend to leave the rich people alone, in case the influence comes back to bite them. Rich people can buy their way out of serious incidents, e. G. The son of Red Bull owner whose vehicle dragged a police officer some distance, If I remember the reports right.
Mafia types also seem to think they own the road, and get much more upset than regular persons, if criticized. My taxi driver was asked to get out of the taxi after he was rightly not happy with the behaviour of the other vehicle and had to apologise profusely and grovel.
Red Cross Ratchadamri has about 30 standard blood tests avail for Stds and very common things, but also nearly 100 special tests available, several in the hormone category.
I decided to get Testosterone as never checked before. Price was 400 Baht.
Will get email result. HIV is one hour wait for the fast test result and follow up email if amplification test should show anything.
Red Cross was v busy at 12.20 so took 40 minutes to get through procedures and blood taken. Can be faster some times.
The standard long term test for HSV does not distinguish between types 1 and 2 so won't bother today. Previously got conflicting results where false positives and negatives are possible. Will ask counsellor for more info on this topic and whether really worthwhile to get any further test if last one was negative.
The light comes in, my head aches.
My sack is empty and the sheets are a wreck.
No lampshade on my head, but I feel like somethings wrong.
Oh no! That lady here next to me has a schlong.
Sitting by Nana Plaza, waiting for breakfast to start. Feel free to delete if it's garbage.
NC17 to PG13, how quick the transition.
The dawn just arrived and Dawn goes away, to this I am a witness.
Where kisses were once we now see the sun.
Where beggars dare come now the throng has come.
And I sit here still and I contemplate this.
At one time, commute.
At another, a kiss.
The standard long term test for HSV does not distinguish between types 1 and 2 so won't bother today. Previously got conflicting results where false positives and negatives are possible. Will ask counsellor for more info on this topic and whether really worthwhile to get any further test if last one was negative.Counsellor suggests that long term blood tests for Herpes Simplex Virus 1 & 2 are not really worth anything, since not very definitive, and normal test does not distinguish between cold sores and genital herpes anyway (types 1 and 2). No point to test unless have visible symptoms such as sores or lesions. So if never had any of those (as in my case), then don't even bother.
Thai word for HSV is "Roerm" (falling tone 'rerm') if anyone is interested. Not flat tone which means "to commence" something. My counsellor spoke to me in Thai as claims her English is not the best. LOL (I suspect she exaggerates). All Red Cross staff seem to have good English.
Thai word for HPV (warts and papilomas) is "Huut" (low tone and long vowel "hoot"). There are many strains and only certain particular ones are associated with possible uterine cancers or whatever the Gardasil vaccine for young girls is protecting against (forget the fine details).
Thai expression for Chlamydia according to my dictionary is weird "Phayaat bai maay nai dtap" which literally translates to "leaf parasite in the liver", yet is actually a bacteria. So Thai name seems useless and I never heard it spoken. Must be these bacteria act in a parasitic way to invaded cells. I doubt the liver is relevant, without being a doctor. Chlamydia attacks soft membranes very easily.
Most other STD names are same as in English just pronounced in a Thai way.
Thai word for HPV (warts and papilomas) is "Huut" (low tone and long vowel "hoot"). There are many strains and only certain particular ones are associated with possible uterine cancers or whatever the Gardasil vaccine for young girls is protecting against (forget the fine details).
Did you inquire about getting the vaccine series for HPV there? I had been tested earlier and did not show signs of it. Then I launched into the 3 injection series at that Thai Red Cross clinic. As I recall, you wait one month between the first and second shot, two months between the second and third. Maybe the other way around. It has been a few years. You have about a one week window either way between shots. Cost was about 2100 baht per shot, so around 6,300 baht total. Which is quite a bit less than it would have cost me in the USA. Not sure how it compares with places like Bumrungrad Hospital in Bkk.
I figured with all the pussy I eat, it would be 6300 baht well-spent even if I am not exactly the right candidate in terms of age/gender. And for some peace of mind.
I am back in USA. I want to say thank you to everyone who answered my questions here over the last year. I spent a total of 8 months in thailand over 2 trips. I learned a lot from posters here who took the time to answer my questions.So what was the "Ho Ratio" compared to nights here, and success ratio? Did you run out of money or stamina first?
Did you inquire about getting the vaccine series for HPV there? Nope. No interest in that. Red Cross may offer that at a better price most likely.
Gardasil is expensive (at least at some hospitals). I paid for a young hooker to receive it in the past (since I cared about her future welfare a little too much). In the end, she got pregnant accidentally (to someone else. Not me), after she was no longer a hooker (AFAIK) LOL. That thing was insufficiently protected (and a much higher risk probability). Normally Gardasil is recommended only for girls below a certain age because they are all likely to get exposed to the virus at some point, and have not already caught it by a certain age, then may have been naturally resistant.
My GF is 38. They would not suggest she be vaccinated, for example. If 20, maybe yes.
So the vaccine is considered effective against the future cancer possibility in a certain target window, for young girls. As guys don't have a uterus or whatever, then they are not at high risk of anything. I don't imagine the vaccine is effective against all strains, but I am not an expert. I have had warts and papilomas when younger, but little point to vaccinate against them now.
Got back my testosterone test in the email from red cross about 3 working days later. My result was absolutely right on average for my age group, slightly above the middle of the normal range. The downside it is less than when we were 20 Year Olds, although the decline is slow. Is this why I am not thinking about sex every waking moment any more? LOL.
Another test showed a minor unrelated condition was under fair control but could up my medication slightly.
I think Red Cross is going to give the best prices for blood tests and fairly fast results, especially with very fast STD results.
Location is intersection of Ratchadamri and Sarasin (west side of Ratchadamri). Thais do not seem to recognise the street name Sarasin, when I go there on motorcycle. They refer to it as Lang Suan (Behind Lumpini park), even though the real Lang Suan road runs parallel to Ratchadamri.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2237886&viewfull=1
There is my report as a newbie to Jakarta comparing to Bangkok, just for any other newbies going to Jakarta, that may help indicate something of major differences.
Won't be at all useful to experienced Jakarta old hands.
Saw this report and thought that I'd remind hobbyists not to act as you would back home when inebriated.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/brit-canadian-face-10-years-jail-spraying-thai-084440088.html
Saw this report and thought that I'd remind hobbyists not to act as you would back home when inebriated.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/brit-canadian-face-10-years-jail-spraying-thai-084440088.htmlIdiots deserve every year and Baht fine given to them. Bad enough spraying any wall but a heritage listed one. By the way who travels will spray cans of paint? They can't really say it was spur of the moment.
Counsellor suggests that long term blood tests for Herpes Simplex Virus 1 & 2 are not really worth anything, since not very definitive, and normal test does not distinguish between cold sores and genital herpes anyway (types 1 and 2). No point to test unless have visible symptoms such as sores or lesions. So if never had any of those (as in my case), then don't even bother.
The Western Blot test for HSV can differentiate between type I and II. And why test for HSV? Some people are asymptomatic. My brother in law married a virgin and soon after marriage she came down with a bad case of genital herpes. Turns out he got it from a hooker a few years earlier but he never, even to this day, had any symptoms. Lucky him, but since he did not know he had it, unlucky her.
But regarding mongering, if she never gets tested for HSV, she can pass all the other tests (syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, HIV, etc) and you will mistakenly think she is clean and safe for bareback, until you do it and a few days later you get some sores down there. If you are married, consider yourself busted, and she won't be happy.
You can say you don't need to tested as there will be nothing you can do if you do have it, but that is wrong. You can take responsibility and not go bare with others! Even if you don't care about her, the herpes you give her will end up residing in some of us who might stupidly give in to bareback! No, you didn't deserve to get it either, but why deliberately pass it on?
I know, I am the only one here who harps about HSV, but I hear people still say that if they and the woman get tested for the other stuff they are safe for BB, but that is not true! And, I suppose, since I occasionally do BB, I am preaching to myself.
You can say you don't need to tested as there will be nothing you can do if you do have it, but that is wrong. You can take responsibility and not go bare with others! Even if you don't care about her, the herpes you give her will end up residing in some of us who might stupidly give in to bareback! No, you didn't deserve to get it either, but why deliberately pass it on?
I know, I am the only one here who harps about HSV, but I hear people still say that if they and the woman get tested for the other stuff they are safe for BB, but that is not true! And, I suppose, since I occasionally do BB, I am preaching to myself.I tired to do the right thing, to know if I ever had HSV2, but in the end after two long term tests, both times they tested for both HSV1 and 2 together, not what I asked for, and never got a definitive result, and then told these tests are not worth much.
Testing for a current outbreak of HSV is much easier. I have not really done a lot of bare backing in my time. Fairly limited number of girls over many years that were regular partners, however everyone has a condom break incident sometime. I was not too concerned about HSV1 really since well over half the population have had that, but I never had anything that looked like a definite cold sore, nor the so called tingling sensation warning that one is coming.
I don't seem to have given HSV2 to anyone, but would be nice if there was a very definite test that could rule out that I ever had it completely. If I should ever get a visible sore, or a symptom of something amiss, I will use a condom temporarily (with Mrs) until can be tested. So I try to be responsible. Obviously no one wants to give something to the Mrs.
Many years a go I fucked a girl that had a mark on her ass that she claimed was herpes, however I was doubtful. Wasn't very close to her genitals at all. She just stuck a bandaid (sticking bandage) over it. Is bandaid an international word? I am not sure. A brand name I guess. I did not seem to catch anything from her.
So I tried to test for everything known, but turned out wasn't easy to do that. Everything else was negative anyway. I only ever contracted Chlamydia, and easily fixed fortunately (along with very easily acquired).
For guys that take risky activities with unknown girls, as well as HIV test, I would suggest regular Chlamydia and Gonor. tests since those 2 seem to be easiest to catch, and test for everything on occasion.
Taking antibiotics is not a great idea, as stuffs up gut body good bacteria balance. Use when really necessary only. It leads to weight control problems. Years ago they used to suggest Doxycycline as prophylactic against Malaria. Really bad idea is going to kill bacteria that are useful to your gut.
Houston Player
10-22-18, 12:34
Some of you obviously know nothing about HSV. It has absolutely nothing to do with bareback sex. It is transmitted through skin to skin contact so unless you wear a body condom you can catch it. It is also very easy to control all you have to do is take Valtrex or a generic. Costs pennies a day has no known side effects and has the bonus of not only stopping you from having outbreaks but by making you 90% less likely of passing it on to someone else. Because it makes it stay dormant in the spine.
If you really want to know the facts you should talk to a good dermatologist, Also they expect a vaccine within a few years.
I'm not a doctor but I did stay.
I had no choice to come now as I have no time in the next 4-6 months. It seems to rain even more than the rainy season of May, June. Also, today's holiday was totally unexpected as it didn't show up on any of the calendars listing public holidays. I thought the massage girl Monday was wrong telling me about it.
I had no choice to come now as I have no time in the next 4-6 months. It seems to rain even more than the rainy season of May, June. Also, today's holiday was totally unexpected as it didn't show up on any of the calendars listing public holidays. I thought the massage girl Monday was wrong telling me about it.Nope to nearly everything. The Ork Phansa religious Buddhist public holiday (this year 24 Oct) is very well known and on all good web sites re public holidays for 2018. I mentioned it in a post the day before Monday. You should have taken notice of the girl.
Do a search for "nightlife bangkok public-holidays-closures-in-Thailand"
https://pattayasanook.com/thai-culture/thailand-holidays/ is one site to show it. another bangkoksnightlife. something also shows it.
It is possible to be missing from some web sites as date is not fixed each year I believe and follows the moon phase perhaps. Full moon, 11th Thai lunar month (October) LOL.
So alcohol sales were out for the day. Hookers can still be found. I am sure not all MPs close. They are not officially "entertainment" venues. LOL.
It is raining less than full rainy season. Rainy season seems to be well over IMHO. Perhaps you don't know what real monsoon rains are like. LOL When it comes down in bucket loads and hardly stops for several days, that is bad. In peak rainy season, expect flooding, occasionally finding streets have knee deep water.
Some of you obviously know nothing about HSV. It has absolutely nothing to do with bareback sex. It is transmitted through skin to skin contact so unless you wear a body condom you can catch it. It is also very easy to control all you have to do is take Valtrex or a generic. Costs pennies a day has no known side effects and has the bonus of not only stopping you from having outbreaks but by making you 90% less likely of passing it on to someone else. Because it makes it stay dormant in the spine.
If you really want to know the facts you should talk to a good dermatologist, Also they expect a vaccine within a few years.
I'm not a doctor but I did stay.Thanks for info, interesting, however you are a bit too dogmatic (as though know everything). We cannot be experts and have only web sources to read. When a normal doctor told me I had cold sores, I happened to go to a Dermatologist as well, and he said straight off, no they were not cold sores at all, but a simple bacterial infection known as Impetigo (and easy to treat). So yes it pays to see a specialist, rather than a GP, who knows rather little about many diseases. Even a dermatologist once tried to tell me my scalp acne (pimples under hair) was dandruff. Another specialist agree it was acne where the first one said that was impossible. Even experts can be very wrong. Very few doctors ever heard of my allergy.
However see this:
"https://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/stdfact-herpes-detailed.htm".
I quote:
"Infections are transmitted through contact with HSV in herpes lesions, mucosal surfaces, genital secretions, or oral secretions. 5 HSV-1 and HSV-2 can be shed from normal-appearing oral or genital mucosa or skin. Generally, a person can only get HSV-2 infection during genital contact with someone who has a genital HSV-2 infection. However, receiving oral sex from a person with an oral HSV-1 infection can result in getting a genital HSV-1 infection. ".
Most websites suggest that HSV-2 is caught far more easily from penis uncovered in vagina. Does not mean all other transmissions are impossible, however we mostly protect against likely things or things than can be protected against, not strikes of lightning. I don't think shaking hands for example is considered a HSV risk. I won't be wearing latex gloves for all body contacts, or a body condom. Web sites suggest guys have lower risk of catching it than girls from an infected person of other sex.
Would be interesting to see numbers of guys catching HSV2 while claiming no BB sex, as we know the condom does not cover entire crotch area, and transmission still vaguely possible.
HSV1 seems to be generally considered to be caught from oral contact, either oral to oral, or sexual oral.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simplex suggest that condoms is a good protection against HSV2 although not infallible, as always. HSV2 is considered an STD.
As I once caught Chlamydia Eye (from finger in pussy), I am aware that there alternate ways to pass on an STD. The eye specialist firstly did not consider that as a possibility, till I managed to get tests done, yet is a well documented condition.
Here is a very long technical article:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2804398/
It confirms use of condoms is not sure to prevent transmission, but not very clear about probable reasons. Does not mention condom slipping off, breakage, faults etc. People surveyed are known to tell lies also or forget things. So not very clear just how effective condoms are considered to be (when used properly).
It does say that could take many sex encounters to pass HSV2 on average. So have to be unlucky to catch it in a one off encounter. Older persons more likely to have resistance and less likely to catch it.
I always thought that having never had a cold sore to date, to my knowledge, that I might be unlikely to ever catch one, regardless of how many girls tongue kissed. Must be hundreds over time.
I'm pretty sure that the questions I'm about to ask are rather stupid but I'm a new to Thailand and closed mouths don't get fed so here it goes:
1) I'm leaving Pattaya on the 5th and that's a holiday. I figure its not a bad time to leave Thailand so I'm taking the red eye out of BKK that night. Being a holiday, is it going to be difficult to get transportation from Pattaya to Bangkok and if so, what recs would you all have to get there?
2) Once I arrive in BKK and my flight leaves early morning on the 6th, can I just go to the airport, get my boarding pass, check my luggage, go enjoy the festivities, then come back and take off?
I'm pretty sure that the questions I'm about to ask are rather stupid but I'm a new to Thailand and closed mouths don't get fed so here it goes:
1) I'm leaving Pattaya on the 5th and that's a holiday. I figure its not a bad time to leave Thailand so I'm taking the red eye out of BKK that night. Being a holiday, is it going to be difficult to get transportation from Pattaya to Bangkok and if so, what recs would you all have to get there?
2) Once I arrive in BKK and my flight leaves early morning on the 6th, can I just go to the airport, get my boarding pass, check my luggage, go enjoy the festivities, then come back and take off?In regards to public holidays in Thailand there is a website that tells you how many services operate. Transport to the airport should be ok.
I'm not sure about question 2.
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2) Once I arrive in BKK and my flight leaves early morning on the 6th, can I just go to the airport, get my boarding pass, check my luggage, go enjoy the festivities, then come back and take off?Probably not. There are a few luggage storage places in the airport arrivals area you can use. Not sure what they charge though.
Don't discount the impacts of Bangkok traffic on your plans.
I'm pretty sure that the questions I'm about to ask are rather stupid but I'm a new to Thailand and closed mouths don't get fed so here it goes:
1) I'm leaving Pattaya on the 5th and that's a holiday. I figure its not a bad time to leave Thailand so I'm taking the red eye out of BKK that night. Being a holiday, is it going to be difficult to get transportation from Pattaya to Bangkok and if so, what recs would you all have to get there?
2) Once I arrive in BKK and my flight leaves early morning on the 6th, can I just go to the airport, get my boarding pass, check my luggage, go enjoy the festivities, then come back and take off?At one point you say leaving at night, then say early next morning, so not sure if you mean just after midnight or more like 5 am. Perhaps not relevant.
Nope I don't think arranging transport to Bangkok will be a problem. Plenty of people have to work every day and need money. They will appreciate the traffic being lower than normal. Not like some other countries where a taxi was very scarce on a holiday. However you did not say how much much is your budget and what is preferred type of transport. Others can advise on best options for a price.
You cannot check in your luggage for a flight long in advance. 3 hours before is probably the limit I think. You maybe able to checkin to your flight 24 hours ahead online but still have to do bag drop. You can store the bag in the airport luggage store. Check to make sure it is open 24 hours of course. I recall one luggage store in Frankfurt airport was not open 24 hours, but there should be one at Suwanaphum. You can do bag drop 1 hour before flight leaves, but at less than 30 minutes to go, may not be allowed. Not sure what happens if already checked in. Not sure what it means if flight is closed. So I would say bad drop should be done between 1 to 3 hours before flight departs.
You cannot check in your luggage for a flight long in advance. 3 hours before is probably the limit I think. You maybe able to checkin to your flight 24 hours ahead online but still have to do bag drop. Yes you're right. 3 hours is the minimum. The new rules regarding carriers not being prepared to cross-check bags to other airlines has made my current travels through 3 different airports with 3 different carriers much more difficult. I had little choice because of my timetable but next time I will try to go all the way with one carrier only (or 2 at the most)
I won't mention the ports I am visiting because it might identify me.
Because I am on a longer-term assignment and I need to travel with a larger check-in bag with clothes and papers etc then I have to go through immigration, retrieve my bag on arrival and then check-in for the onward flight. One connection was a 7.5-hour stopover; the other was much shorter and manageable
When I tried to check in early the friendly agent at the desk said that bags will be accepted 3 hours or less before a flight and I still had around 6. 5 hours to kill which I was planning to spend in the business class lounge.
When I pushed him to check in my bag so I could go through to the lounge he convinced me that I really didn't want to chance it because if he did so the chances of my bag being lost on the way to my onward plane was highly likely (as it had happened before). I would have to sign a waiver that I would not take action against the airline if my bag didn't arrive with me.
Losing my bag was the last thing I needed so I put my bag into storage and headed out into the city to kill a few hours before returning for early check-in.
Obviously you cannot risk this at some of the isolated airports or those where the traffic is unpredictable (like Manila, Thailand, Jakarta etc).
Because I am on a longer-term assignment and I need to travel with a larger check-in bag with clothes and papers etc then I have to go through immigration, retrieve my bag on arrival and then check-in for the onward flight. One connection was a 7.5-hour stopover; the other was much shorter and manageable
When I tried to check in early the friendly agent at the desk said that bags will be accepted 3 hours or less before a flight and I still had around 6. 5 hours to kill which I was planning to spend in the business class lounge.
When I pushed him to check in my bag so I could go through to the lounge he convinced me that I really didn't want to chance it because if he did so the chances of my bag being lost on the way to my onward plane was highly likely (as it had happened before). I would have to sign a waiver that I would not take action against the airline if my bag didn't arrive with me.
So I put my bag into storage and headed out into the city to kill a few hours before returning for early check-in.
Yes that is almost same as what happens to me (and living out of suitcases).
It pays to arrive and leave Bangkok on a Sunday as traffic is much lower. It pays to leave and return to Suwanaphum by the back road, when traffic is bad on the motorway, or always if you have no way to check. So I often tell taxi to take back road as though were heading to Pattaya and go via Bang Na. This would not be necessary on a Sunday or quiet public holiday. Will cost me more but save time.
Above all, make sure your taxi driver understands that you want the quickest route, not the cheapest, and using tollways is fine to save time. By default taxi drivers will go slow ways to avoid tolls, and avoid taking extra distance by a faster route. Time of day greatly affects best routes to and from airport, so check Google Maps if possible which way is better. Avoid motorway when is coloured all in red indicating traffic jam.
Strikesfun
10-31-18, 01:26
Is the Line application working? I keep getting a message not available try later?
Is the Line application working? I keep getting a message not available try later?It means you phone or internet connection has a problem. I sent and received plenty of messages today in and out of Thailand across countries.
The new rules regarding carriers not being prepared to cross-check bags to other airlines has made my current travels through 3 different airports with 3 different carriers much more difficult. When did the new rules come in? I checked a bag onto my Thai airways flight and then onto China Southern back in August with no problem.
LittleBigMan
11-01-18, 11:40
When did the new rules come in? I checked a bag onto my Thai airways flight and then onto China Southern back in August with no problem.There really isn't a rule per say? It is pretty much the same everywhere including the USA.
When you mentioned Thai Airways and China Southern, these airlines might have a dominant position at these locations where their location they don't have to share with other Airlines the counter or the baggage makeup area down below which stages containers or carts for every flight. An Airline sharing space must vacate all their equipment so the other Airline can stage their necessary equipment just before the 3 hours check-in period which is a general time needed to clear passengers prior to departure.
For example, I fly Eva exclusively there are days they have several flights to TPE, but I need to arrive earlier since the Bell bus schedule doesn't get me there with enough time for my scheduled flight. There are times if the flights are basically within the 3 hours period they will check in my bag and there have been times I had to wait until the first flight departs. There is a rule by FAA and it is followed pretty much worldwide that baggage must travel with the passenger flight.
It might be all 21st century checking in but down below it is a hell hole the reason they referred to people working below as Ramp rats! International flights especially with a stopover, there are half a dozen connections if not more along with bags that need to be transferred to other Airlines (Code Share) down below the conveyor belt have containers for each destination set up all around with if you are lucky 4-5 guys manning 300 passengers x 2 bags 50 lbs each (23 kilo) bags are flowing down they all look alike especially the tags and luggage laying on top covering them. With one hand you got to move the bag grab the one you need 50 lbs so you can read the tag scanned it and make sure it gets placed in the right canister. It doesn't take a rocket scientist but it is all mental / physical the reason you put all the young full of cum in those positions so they earn their stripes.
Every Airline is different the reason when I use Eva not a dominate airline like Thai, don't have the same arrival gate, at times it is right in front of Immigration the rest of the time it seems I'm walking miles. They check-in passengers at Row are, in the past if I get there early they would check in my bag now they have to share space with another airline so I have to lug my stuff around on a cart at least it is free. SFO, I got to pay $5. 00.
When did the new rules come in? I checked a bag onto my Thai airways flight and then onto China Southern back in August with no problem.My view is that obviously if you have a short duration connection to same or affiliated airline on the same ticket, you not have to collect your bags at changeover.
If these conditions are not met, then it would not be guaranteed.
Hi.
I need to get in contact with an Australian man with the initials RG.
RG, I don't know if you are on this forum, but if you are, please send me a PM.
It is regarding Audi and her friends.
You heard about me through Audi, I talk with her friend often.
No use in anyone trying to impersonate RG here, I know who RG is, but don't know how to.
Get in contact with him other than hopefully here.
Hi.
I need to get in contact with an Australian man with the initials RG.
RG, I don't know if you are on this forum, but if you are, please send me a PM.
It is regarding Audi and her friends.
You heard about me through Audi, I talk with her friend often.
No use in anyone trying to impersonate RG here, I know who RG is, but don't know how to.
Get in contact with him other than hopefully here.This seems rather irregular! You might be better to try to send a message via Audi or her friend.
I am not RG, but if I was I might be a pissed off with you mentioning my initials and country on the forum. Someone else reading might guess who it is. RG may not be on the forum, but if he is by chance, then he may not have a PM facility. Some guys try to be extremely anonymous for political safety reasons.
This seems rather irregular! You might be better to try to send a message via Audi or her friend.
I am not RG, but if I was I might be a pissed off with you mentioning my initials and country on the forum. Someone else reading might guess who it is. RG may not be on the forum, but if he is by chance, then he may not have a PM facility. Some guys try to be extremely anonymous for political safety reasons.I totally get your point Syzygies.
However, there most be thousands with the initials RG in Australia. So I see no reason to worry about his integrity at this point.
I have my reasons not to try to make contact through Audi. I would if I could.
I totally get your point Syzygies.
However, there most be thousands with the initials RG in Australia. So I see no reason to worry about his integrity at this point.
I have my reasons not to try to make contact through Audi. I would if I could.Sounds like bridges have been burned. LOL I try to never burn bridges just in case it comes back to cause problems. I just fade away, from problem girls.
My imagination runs riot. The girl was so angry, she gave your import stuff to another guy. LOL Sorry I am sure this quite irrelevant. The chances the other guy will be found this way seem slim, unless someone else on the forum can guess who he is (which was my initial point).
One of my girls disappeared and her LINE account obviously changed. However I went to see a girl that knows her well, and commented I would still like to make contact, and then because I am such a nice guy and the girls are happy with me, the 2nd girl (retired from sex work) got permission to show first girl's facebook, and we reconnect. So my general advice is try to maintain good relationships with girls even if you won't be fucking them any more. Can be useful to get vital info, sometimes. I still have contact info for bisexual ex Suzie Wong girl even she has a husband and new baby now. Never know if might need to ask her something one day. Like where to get some good bi girls. LOL.
I never needed help to contact an semi unknown guy though. That is unusual.
Last night late ordered Shawerma (Kebab) from Myanmar staff at Rawche on the corner Soi 5, with not much on it except Lamb and salad.
Today bad belly. I pay the penalty. Dick does not work today despite nice BJ, just not feeling right.
Previous meal was a long time earlier (not tasty but not to blame), so I am pretty sure. It did not taste good like I expected for lamb.
Could be not fresh stuff.
Shit happens! For me, If I am poorly, sex will not work. I am not sensitive enough.
Others may learn to rest when sick also. Don't waste your money.
Dick does not work today despite nice BJ, just not feeling right.Thanks for the info.
Banana Boi
11-07-18, 00:35
Syzy must be really sick since his English has gone to the shitter. Never seen his writing style like that.
Syzy must be really sick since his English has gone to the shitter. Never seen his writing style like that.Someone must have hacked his password.
Syzy must be really sick since his English has gone to the shitter. Never seen his writing style like that.I was really "crook" yesterday. Not sure if that word is used in your country, so I wrote "poorly" (perhaps English slang). Actually that was pretty much normal for my "near" English. I show laziness to leave out words like "a" and "the" and hence make abbreviated sentences. Thai can be a bad influence, where understood words are omitted.
Thai: "pai nai" literally means "go where?" where in English we would write "Where are you going?
Hence I wrote "Today bad belly", where yes I should write proper English "Today I have a bad belly". The missing words are pretty obvious though, I would have thought, but I realise that it could irritate some readers.
Actually you may find, I have always been writing like this. Sort of in abbreviated notes form.
Banana Boi
11-07-18, 03:25
You wrote like how we would all write on Line to a Thai girl to make is simpler for them to understand. Even so there is always a lot Lost in Translation with Thai girls.
You wrote like how we would all write on Line to a Thai girl to make is simpler for them to understand. Even so there is always a lot Lost in Translation with Thai girls.Omitting words in a sentence is dangerous with Thais. They might assume the missing words are something quite different from what we are thinking is obvious. I got misunderstood, and its always my fault. Fortunately sometimes they will say they don't understand.
Sounds like bridges have been burned.No bridges burnt. Still have good contact with Audi and her friend.
And now with RG as well.
So everything turned out well.
I guess I ate food that was not fresh enough from the Shawerma (Kebab) stand. So the guts had a bad reaction, like due to bad bacteria, the next morning.
Normally eat street food no problem but this was not quite the case in a shop at entrance to Soi 5.
"Thong sia" is the typical Thai phrase (heard a lot), and even Thais seem to get this problem a lot, by eating something no good.
"Thong" is ambiguous as can mean either stomach or abdominal, and "sia" means "fucked up" basically.
So get the "runs" so to speak. The body knows it has to flush all the bad stuff out of the intestine. Not only that we may feel a bit of a slight fever, and have no desire to eat. I was off most food for 2 days. This is body's way to avoid feeding the bad bacteria during the flushing process. Seemed to work very well. On 3rd day all seems to be back to normal. So not the very worse case of Gastro. Did not need any "Imodium" today.
Pharmacy gave me a broad spectrum anti-biotic to take too, but I resisted taking it, waiting to see if would fix itself. The reason is the anti-biotic would kill off good bacteria in the gut as well. This normally leads to rapid weight gain as upsets the metabolism, and I know this from past experience. Instead I lost 2 kilos from low food for 2 days and probable reduced total hydration level. I prefer to keep this weight off if possible.
Now eating is back to normal today although not exceptionally hungry, I am guessing sexual function should be back to normal as well.
Interestingly not many Thais understood "Indigestion" many years ago (maybe not even today) so I had a lot of trouble asking for medicine to fix that, when my Thai was a bit too basic. These days we can find a bottle of the flavored Calcium Hydroxide chalky liquid in a 7 store (Maloxolon or something like that name) or maybe quickeze, but in old days they did not have it.
Thai phrases: "Khleun sai" means nausea (literally an intestinal wave) , and "Grot laai yorn" means acid reflux or "heartburn". I did not learn this last phrase till maybe 2 years ago. So before that had little clue what to say. Maybe Thais just don't say it much. Could be useful to someone who speaks a bit of Thai, since these phrases are not heard much. Looking up Indigestion in a dictionary just yields a sentence saying "food can't be digested". LOL Can get Omeprazole in pharmacy, for those needing regular medication, or Ranitidine for occasional use. Latest advances may not be cheap yet. Staying away from junky food and over eating is a big help, and make sure you don't suffer from Helicobacter Pylori since easily treated and causes bad breath.
"thong mai dee" - stomach no good. Any type of stomach discomfort or could be abdominal (very non specific).
"thong phook" - Constipation.
"thong euut" - flatulence.
"thong ruang" - loose bowels (or leaky LOL).
"bpuat thong" - stomach ache or could mean pain further down, or can be used just to mean needing to go to the toilet.
Finally "thong" is long and high tone. Perhaps "thaung" would be a better spelling with au like in the word taught or thawng with aw as in raw.
Mostek6502
11-09-18, 00:31
I was r irritate some readers.
Actually you may find, I have always been writing like this. Sort of in abbreviated notes form.Syzy is from oz, no language problem at all. If you really wanted to see someone mash up the English, to talk to a kiwi. Ha ha.
Banana Boi
11-09-18, 00:36
Facebook dating launched yesterday in Thailand. This will be huge here since we all know that Thai girls practically live on Facebook.
LittleBigMan
11-09-18, 02:33
I guess I ate food that was not fresh enough from the Shawerma (Kebab) stand. So the guts had a bad reaction, like due to bad bacteria, the next morning.
Normally eat street food no problem but this was not quite the case in a shop at entrance to Soi 5.
"Thong sia" is the typical Thai phrase (heard a lot), and even Thais seem to get this problem a lot, by eating something no good.
"Thong" is ambiguous as can mean either stomach or abdominal, and "sia" means "fucked up" basically.
So get the "runs" so to speak. The body knows it has to flush all the bad stuff out of the intestine. Not only that we may feel a bit of a slight fever, and have no desire to eat. I was off most food for 2 days. This is body's way to avoid feeding the bad bacteria during the flushing process. Seemed to work very well. On 3rd day all seems to be back to normal. So not the very worse case of Gastro. Did not need any "Imodium" today.
Pharmacy gave me a broad spectrum anti-biotic to take too, but I resisted taking it, waiting to see if would fix itself. The reason is the anti-biotic would kill off good bacteria in the gut as well. This normally leads to rapid weight gain as upsets the metabolism, and I know this from past experience. Instead I lost 2 kilos from low food for 2 days and probable reduced total hydration level. I prefer to keep this weight off if possible.
Now eating is back to normal today although not exceptionally hungry, I am guessing sexual function should be back to normal as well.
Interestingly not many Thais understood "Indigestion" many years ago (maybe not even today) so I had a lot of trouble asking for medicine to fix that, when my Thai was a bit too basic. These days we can find a bottle of the flavored Calcium Hydroxide chalky liquid in a 7 store (Maloxolon or something like that name) or maybe quickeze, but in old days they did not have it.
Thai phrases: "Khleun sai" means nausea (literally an intestinal wave) , and "Grot laai yorn" means acid reflux or "heartburn". I did not learn this last phrase till maybe 2 years ago. So before that had little clue what to say. Maybe Thais just don't say it much. Could be useful to someone who speaks a bit of Thai, since these phrases are not heard much. Looking up Indigestion in a dictionary just yields a sentence saying "food can't be digested". LOL Can get Omeprazole in pharmacy, for those needing regular medication, or Ranitidine for occasional use. Latest advances may not be cheap yet. Staying away from junky food and over eating is a big help, and make sure you don't suffer from Helicobacter Pylori since easily treated and causes bad breath.
"thong mai dee" - stomach no good. Any type of stomach discomfort or could be abdominal (very non specific).
"thong phook" - Constipation.
"thong euut" - flatulence.
"thong ruang" - loose bowels (or leaky LOL).
"bpuat thong" - stomach ache or could mean pain further down, or can be used just to mean needing to go to the toilet.
Finally "thong" is long and high tone. Perhaps "thaung" would be a better spelling with au like in the word taught or thawng with aw as in raw.Having this isn't funny especially if you aren't in a free area to move around. Today I keep all the medication when I travel just in case.
Like you I eat a lot of street food get my stuff at the local market rarely a problem. Last year I took a trip back home use Evaair regularly a stopover in Taipei, I was hungry so made a stop at a noodle shop located in the waiting terminal see, done this a number of times everything after was going fine. A few hours later on the flight after takeoff I notice my stomach was starting to hurt a feeling one needed to go to the bathroom I was praying it would go away but it didn't I got up went to the back for the restroom lucky no one waiting and hoping no one was going to be lining up. The pain was increasing and I didn't want to say anything to the F / A didn't want the plan to turn back or make an emergency landing but finally, I had to say something. The F / A was understanding and told me to go back in and she would put the bathroom out of order. When I went back to my seat I slept in pain, fever, cold put on my jacket and two blankets mentally long long long flight when I got home next day missed family reunion dinner I was out two days and drained.
Syzy is from oz, no language problem at all. If you really wanted to see someone mash up the English, to talk to a kiwi. Ha ha.You managed to mash up of making a quote of what I wrote too, to make my English look even worse. There is no need to announce which country someone comes from on the forum, especially for minority groups. Farang is good enough. It can give any female readers extra clues. You can't hear my accent. LOL I could well be a kiwi.
Which accent sounds funniest when speaking Thai language? I think American drawl wins there. LOL Other Asians like Japanese can sound the best sometimes. Yesterday was trying to speak with house room maid about cleaning the room, and noticed her Thai was strange and hard to follow. Turns out staff are Cambodian. Hired extra cheap perhaps.
The forum auto corrector mashes English more than anything else by making unnecessary and wrong changes. Respells words to make completely wrong words.
Robert Long
11-09-18, 11:08
Any suggestions as to which banks are favorable for farangs. I plan on relocating to Tland early next year. Advise from the seniors will be appreciated.
RL.
Any suggestions as to which banks are favorable for farangs. I plan on relocating to Tland early next year. Advise from the seniors will be appreciated.
RL.Are you coming in on a Tourist Visa? If so, the banks are a pain. Generally you need a lease and if you have one, you can get a Foreigner account at Krungsri, or one at Bangkok Bank if you have the embassy verify your passport.
If you have a long term visa, Bangkok Bank is probably the best for foreigners, however, you get Union Pay Debit instead of Visa. Thats why I use Krungsri.
Any suggestions as to which banks are favorable for farangs. I plan on relocating to Tland early next year. Advise from the seniors will be appreciated.
RL.Most Banks are currently not allowing you to open an account unless you have a work permit or other business credentials. So the short answer is you might have to take any bank that is willing. Many years ago it was easier. I opened several accounts back then. A few years ago Kasigorn was a possible but rules changed again with latest military government.
You may find that with some banks, there is a special branch where they will take you but most branches will say no. If you have the work permit, is much easier then. It is not easy to find out what is going on sometimes. Hear conflicting stories. I don't know for certain.
I currently only have a Bangkok Bank account. That may be the easiest bank to deal with in a large branch.
https://iglu.net/opening-a-bank-account-in-thailand/
Mostek6502
11-09-18, 15:19
You managed to mash up of making a quote of what I wrote too, to make my English look even worse. There is no need to announce which country someone comes from on the forum, especially for minority groups. Farang is good enough. It can give any female readers extra clues. You can't hear my accent. LOL I could well be a kiwi.
.If girl can figure out where the land of Oz is, or for that matter, the land of the long white cloud, we have well a truly been caught out by a smart little cookie indeed. I guess it's time to grab the esky or the chillybin and put in some tinnys and to beat a hasty retreat then. Us skippys and kiwis better find some better pickings elsewhere.
If girl can figure out where the land of Oz is, or for that matter, the land of the long white cloud, we have well a truly been caught out by a smart little cookie indeed. I guess it's time to grab the esky or the chillybin and put in some tinnys and to beat a hasty retreat then. Us skippys and kiwis better find some better pickings elsewhere.Have not heard of "chillybin" so maybe I am not from your parts. Some girls that read the forum have advanced English and some have even travelled to Oz too, with boyfriend most likely.
One of my old favourites s just got back from a trip to several countries in Europe (with a guy naturally). Hopefully she does not read this. The worst thing, is when we write about a specific girl, e. G. I once wrote about Aor at Annies. Then some forum reader shows her my detailed ISG report. She knew exactly who wrote it naturally. Too many specifics were included, fortunately positive about her. I tend to write less detail of exactly what happened on exactly which day and time, these days and try not to mention which country I come from in any reports.
Actually there is one thing worse than showing a girl a forum report, that is telling her what was written about her, usually making the whole thing sound more negative, but certainly misquoting. Guys on the forum cannot all be trusted to keep info to themselves. That is maybe why you see so many senior members that almost never write much of a girl report. They fear information can be misused.
It is better to stay very anonymous. These days plenty of experienced girls can look at ISG on their smartphone. If a girl gives a big tip off piece of info, I can't write it straight away, as would be too obvious where it came from.
Have not heard of "chillybin" so maybe I am not from your parts. Some girls that read the forum have advanced English and some have even travelled to Oz too, with boyfriend most likely.
One of my old favourites s just got back from a trip to several countries in Europe (with a guy naturally). Hopefully she does not read this. The worst thing, is when we write about a specific girl, e. G. I once wrote about Aor at Annies. Then some forum reader shows her my detailed ISG report. She knew exactly who wrote it naturally. Too many specifics were included, fortunately positive about her. I tend to write less detail of exactly what happened on exactly which day and time, these days and try not to mention which country I come from in any reports.I am from the west coast of the USA. In Asia I am occasionally asked where I am from. I just say Canada because I know the city of Vancouver well enough to fake it. Vancouver is a great town BTW. Few people know anything about Canada and that usually ends the conversation. Sometimes people are just too nosy and I don't want strangers on the street knowing my business. Outing a fellow member's private info such as location is a big no no in this forum.
Hi guys.
I am not that concerned about revealing my origins to girls when I'm talking to them or in post here. I don't have my picture here and my user name is pretty generic. A lot of the girls ask about Kangaroos when you say you are from Oz and I have pics on my phone to show them my "pets".
I can understand the concern of residents because of being outed by the missus or work colleagues but I think for most of us sex tourist there is not much to fear.
So I'm throwing on my thongs, filling up the esky with throw downs and going to dish lickers to get on the punt. LOL.
Something for you non Aussies to translate.
Rob.
Very unfortunate that doing younger girls for money, is not seen as socially acceptable behaviour for either the guy or the girl. "Do gooder" religious groups may even come hear and try to distrupt the gogo bar trade. Guys in the USA could easily loose their job if exposed, I assume.
Using a girl for sex, pretending "Love" and possibility of future marriage, and all types of clandestine relationships is much more socially acceptable, right?
The fact is Thai girls here need to be able to make some money to support their child and / or parents etc. , and is quite wrong to prevent them from trying to do so, in my view. There is no victim from a private mutually agreeable sex act. Girls are not captives and work voluntarily, not necessarily the case in some places in the past like Nataree. I have a regular who needs the money badly. She has to earn it somehow.
I digressed. For those that don't realise, stay anonymous, because some idiot forum reader could try to expose you to someone. Also being unknown gives you more freedom in what you write. You don't want to show up at an MP and everyone shuns you, because "they know who you are" which could easily happen.
I am ready for a mongering holiday, actually what I mean is a holiday away from mongering to recharge the optimism levels. See if I can last 3 months without a fuck? LOL At least prove I am not an addict anymore.
Is from oz, no language problem at all. If you really wanted to see someone mash up the English, to talk to a kiwi. Ha ha.If you really want to see someone completely buggerise English. Talk to an American! 555.
If you really want to see someone completely buggerise English. Talk to an American! 555.The classic example is "My bad". This does have a verb and appears to have an advective and a possessive without a noun, so appears in other countries to be completely meaningless. I thought is was almost a rule you can't have a possessive without a noun. In contrast "It's mine" does have a noun and verb.
Strange pronunciation is actually the hardest thing to follow so you can't beat Glasgow English for being difficult to follow.
I struggle with Thai and Philippino English, especially over the phone and if speaker has a very deep voice. I had to ask the air ticket booking guy to transfer me to a girl, his tone was just too deep for me. How many times when ringing an Oily MP, did I have to tell them: "Please speak Thai, because I really can't understand English", meaning no English is better than very bad English pronounced strangely. English causes mixups, because Thais get their verb tenses wrong. They say something different to what they wish to mean. So I understand why some guys tried to book using emails. LOL.
Strange pronunciation is actually the hardest thing to follow so you can't beat Glasgow English for being difficult to follow.In my experience (as a non-native speaker) the native speakers are often the hardest to follow because they speak too fast, don't articulate very well and/or have a strong accent.
In my experience (as a non-native speaker) the native speakers are often the hardest to follow because they speak too fast, don't articulate very well and/or have a strong accent.That's because most non-native speakers speak at best United Nations' English, a kind of English that is both unidiomatic and phonetically depleted.
English is a living language, and always has been adaptive. The noun / verb structure of "my bad" might be hidden, but it is there.
There are more Americans speaking English than there are native speakers in the Queen's realm. Much as there are more Latin Americans who speak "espaņol" than there are Spaniards speaking Castellano.
The hell with it, the entire world is turning to txt and lols anyway!
The classic example is "My bad". This does have a verb and appears to have an advective and a possessive without a noun, so appears in other countries to be completely meaningless. I thought is was almost a rule you can't have a possessive without a noun. In contrast "It's mine" does have a noun and verb.
Strange pronunciation is actually the hardest thing to follow so you can't beat Glasgow English for being difficult to follow.
I struggle with Thai and Philippino English, especially over the phone and if speaker has a very deep voice. I had to ask the air ticket booking guy to transfer me to a girl, his tone was just too deep for me. How many times when ringing an Oily MP, did I have to tell them: "Please speak Thai, because I really can't understand English", meaning no English is better than very bad English pronounced strangely. English causes mixups, because Thais get their verb tenses wrong. They say something different to what they wish to mean. So I understand why some guys tried to book using emails. LOL.
In my experience (as a non-native speaker) the native speakers are often the hardest to follow because they speak too fast, don't articulate very well and/or have a strong accent.Yes absolutely correct. Native speakers can be very lazy for using correct English, speak too fast, don't move the mouth, etc. Mumble. An English colleague is very difficult due to speed and lack of mouth movement like a ventriloquist. Indians and Irish are also noted for habitually speaking with a quite closed mouth, and can be indistinct.
When first learning Thai, I found I could not understand Bangkok speakers at all well, for similar reasons. Learned a lot from a Songkhla girl who did not normally speak Central Thai, because she spoke normal Thai much slower and more clearly, and limited the vocab to simpler stuff.
Speaking good Thai requires a mouth opened a lot more than some people are used to. Without that some vowels will just be wrong.
Guys, I like bar hopping if the girl is fun to be with.
What's the general rule in Thailand for drinks bought for a girl in her home bar after her bar fine is paid. Are they normal drinks or charged as LDs?
Member #4591
11-23-18, 14:28
Guys, I like bar hopping if the girl is fun to be with.
What's the general rule in Thailand for drinks bought for a girl in her home bar after her bar fine is paid. Are they normal drinks or charged as LDs?Still a LD.
Guys, I like bar hopping if the girl is fun to be with.
What's the general rule in Thailand for drinks bought for a girl in her home bar after her bar fine is paid. Are they normal drinks or charged as LDs?I have only done this once and I was charged lady drink prices!!
Charm City Dave
12-01-18, 08:48
I think I have shilled for google Fi here before. For americans it is a great international mobile voice and data service but I have used rather in extensively in many countries including columbia, the philippines, thailand, Cambodia, malaysia, Indonesia, Australia but you get the idea. You can save a few baht getting a local sim card but for me the convenience of having my phone active wheels down in a new country is more than worth a couple of dollars. The knock on google Fi used to be it didn't support a wide varriety of phones (I love my Pixel), but it now supports many Samsung and iPhone models. If interested see below, we both get a $20 services credit if you sing up. Feel free to mesage me with any questions.
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Member #4591
12-01-18, 10:08
Guys, I like bar hopping if the girl is fun to be with.
What's the general rule in Thailand for drinks bought for a girl in her home bar after her bar fine is paid. Are they normal drinks or charged as LDs?If you like bar hopping so much, that implies you would be bar fining the girl and going bar hopping with her to other clubs. Therefore, her home bar would not matter right? As I said before, it is common sense that bar fine the girl or not, if you stay in her bar, all her drinks will be charged as lady drinks and she will get her commission. In other bars, it is also possible she will make a deal to get commission there unless you speak up and say something.
I think I have shilled for google Fi here before. For americans it is a great international mobile voice and data service but I have used rather in extensively in many countries including columbia, the philippines, thailand, Cambodia, malaysia, Indonesia, Australia but you get the idea. You can save a few baht getting a local sim card but for me the convenience of having my phone active wheels down in a new country is more than worth a couple of dollars. The knock on google Fi used to be it didn't support a wide varriety of phones (I love my Pixel), but it now supports many Samsung and iPhone models. If interested see below, we both get a $20 services credit if you sing up. Feel free to mesage me with any questions.
https://g.co/fi/r/AV50ATCan a girl with a Thai SIM easily reach your Google Fi number? Will she have to pay extra to call your number?
If you like bar hopping so much, that implies you would be bar fining the girl and going bar hopping with her to other clubs. Therefore, her home bar would not matter right? As I said before, it is common sense that bar fine the girl or not, if you stay in her bar, all her drinks will be charged as lady drinks and she will get her commission. In other bars, it is also possible she will make a deal to get commission there unless you speak up and say something.Thanks. Typically the night will involve a couple of guys and a couple of girls bouncing around a few bars which may include staying at or returning to my girl's bar.
I don't have a lot of reference points in Patts or LOS generally but in the Philippines I routinely do this and the moment I pay her bar fine, LD prices are no longer payable anywhere. Some will try their luck but I've never had any issues once I point out that I know what the real prices should be. Whether she strikes deals with other bars we get to, I don't know but I have never noticed inflated prices for girl (s) drinks.
I should emphasise that I'm not out to Cheap Charlie the girl. I'm happy to pay for LDs during the interview process, fair BFs and tips. To me it makes sense to give the girl 100% of a larger tip for a great fun night than a series of small commissions from various drinks. However, if that is not the accepted system, then it just needs to be factored into the tips and overall night's costs.
I should emphasise that I'm not out to Cheap Charlie the girl. I'm happy to pay for LDs during the interview process, fair BFs and tips. To me it makes sense to give the girl 100% of a larger tip for a great fun night than a series of small commissions from various drinks. However, if that is not the accepted system, then it just needs to be factored into the tips and overall night's costs.The system elsewhere is not the system here. It is quite plain. The bar makes money from selling drinks. The Barfine is a compensation since the girl cannot sell drinks while she is absent, and she might not come back. In some bars the BF starts expensive and decreases later in the night (especially for hot Coyote girls). Some girls are not permitted to do Long Time booking and must return to the bar within 1 hour (this sucks big time as means the girl does not want to go anywhere and you get the rushed feeling. Best to check the bar rules). The girl's job is to sell drinks primarily, and to entertain the customers in order to achieve that. She gets commissions for her drinks a lady drink voucher slip.
If I take a Shark girl Patty for example, to another bar, she could still get a lady drink slip there, however she will try to encourage the customer to buy drinks for girls in the other bar too, be it mamasan, or any girl she happens to know at the other bar, or any girl I happen to like. So hence it could get expensive. Better not to take the girl bar hopping if want to be frugal with the spend. Girls however often love to visit other bars (unless have enemies there), catch up with their friends in those bars, gossip, etc. Patty would encourage me to go to Suzie Wong (since used to work there), Tilac (knows the mamasan), Crazy Cats (knows some staff there too), etc. Girls try to get drink commissions both for themselves and for their friends. They love to go bar hopping with a guy especially when they have input to which bars.
Some bars even have rules that a girl needs to get x number of lady drinks per month, otherwise she will have fines deducted from her monthly salary. Some girls have fines so high especially from late or non attendance, there is zero monthly salary left over.
Occasionally a lady drink can be worth more than it seems if she is getting the commission, and getting a reduction in end of month fines as well. There are limited options for what the lady drink can be. On rare occasions I ordered what the lady wanted to drink for myself and she ordered a tequila. Then I drank her tequila and she drank what I ordered. A swap, in order for her to get something else to drink but not forgo the commission and to still boost her monthly sales total. Yes could just give her a tip instead.
I urge all guys to tip specific girls rather than waste money on the stupid ping pong balls, where at least 50% goes to the bar, random girls get a tip (silly), and sometimes girls get injured in mad scramble to get to a ball. Cash tip to staff that were useful to you makes a lot more sense. However buying drinks cannot be avoided, since that is the main bar business.
The way to save money with bar girls, is to meet them outside the bar, so then all the drinks can be avoided. BF might be avoided (if secret meeting). So many bars are now quite boring and lack entertainment value, so not much point to be there other than looking for the right girl which can take time. I need pretty girls with stunning bodies to be naked to really grab my attention (not very common these days).
Lastly, a girl will look bad in a bar if she stays with you for significant time, despite you not buying her drink or barfining her. So if no drinks for the girl, she will be forced to move on, even if she likes you. So my view, is I don't call girls to me unless prepared to buy them a drink. If I want the girl to go, then do not buy another drink for her, and never buy drinks for girls that show up unrequested/unwanted. If want to fuck the girl, always discuss if she can be barfined for sex, early on, since some coyotes do not go for sex, and some girls may have another excuse, period, pussy kaput, or will meet her regular customer in 30 mins, etc. I need to determine if the girl likes old Farangs generally, and if not dick scared too, and any chance of kissing, etc. Some girls are very shy/reticent at first and need some leg-opener tequilas (if not already drunk). This adds to the cost unfortunately so better to take very experienced girls not at all shy (unless just too stunning to ignore).
Steve 9696
12-03-18, 03:39
The system elsewhere is not the system here. It is quite plain. The bar makes money from selling drinks. The Barfine is a compensation since the girl cannot sell drinks while she is absent, and she might not come back. In some bars the BF starts expensive and decreases later in the night (especially for hot Coyote girls). Some girls are not permitted to do Long Time booking and must return to the bar within 1 hour (this sucks big time as means the girl does not want to go anywhere and you get the rushed feeling. Best to check the bar rules). The girl's job is to sell drinks primarily, and to entertain the customers in order to achieve that. She gets commissions for her drinks a lady drink voucher slip.
If I take a Shark girl Patty for example, to another bar, she could still get a lady drink slip there, however she will try to encourage the customer to buy drinks for girls in the other bar too, be it mamasan, or any girl she happens to know at the other bar, or any girl I happen to like. So hence it could get expensive. Better not to take the girl bar hopping if want to be frugal with the spend. Girls however often love to visit other bars (unless have enemies there), catch up with their friends in those bars, gossip, etc. Patty would encourage me to go to Suzie Wong (since used to work there), Tilac (knows the mamasan), Crazy Cats (knows some staff there too), etc. Girls try to get drink commissions both for themselves and for their friends. They love to go bar hopping with a guy especially when they have input to which bars.
Some bars even have rules that a girl needs to get x number of lady drinks per month, otherwise she will have fines deducted from her monthly salary. Some girls have fines so high especially from late or non attendance, there is zero monthly salary left over.
Occasionally a lady drink can be worth more than it seems if she is getting the commission, and getting a reduction in end of month fines as well. There are limited options for what the lady drink can be. On rare occasions I ordered what the lady wanted to drink for myself and she ordered a tequila. Then I drank her tequila and she drank what I ordered. A swap, in order for her to get something else to drink but not forgo the commission and to still boost her monthly sales total. Yes could just give her a tip instead.
I urge all guys to tip specific girls rather than waste money on the stupid ping pong balls, where at least 50% goes to the bar, random girls get a tip (silly), and sometimes girls get injured in mad scramble to get to a ball. Cash tip to staff that were useful to you makes a lot more sense. However buying drinks cannot be avoided, since that is the main bar business.
The way to save money with bar girls, is to meet them outside the bar, so then all the drinks can be avoided. BF might be avoided (if secret meeting). So many bars are now quite boring and lack entertainment value, so not much point to be there other than looking for the right girl which can take time. I need pretty girls with stunning bodies to be naked to really grab my attention (not very common these days).
Lastly, a girl will look bad in a bar if she stays with you for significant time, despite you not buying her drink or barfining her. So if no drinks for the girl, she will be forced to move on, even if she likes you. So my view, is I don't call girls to me unless prepared to buy them a drink. If I want the girl to go, then do not buy another drink for her, and never buy drinks for girls that show up unrequested/unwanted. If want to fuck the girl, always discuss if she can be barfined for sex, early on, since some coyotes do not go for sex, and some girls may have another excuse, period, pussy kaput, or will meet her regular customer in 30 mins, etc. I need to determine if the girl likes old Farangs generally, and if not dick scared too, and any chance of kissing, etc. Some girls are very shy/reticent at first and need some leg-opener tequilas (if not already drunk). This adds to the cost unfortunately so better to take very experienced girls not at all shy (unless just too stunning to ignore).Truly useful post S. Thanks!
Can a girl with a Thai SIM easily reach your Google Fi number? Will she have to pay extra to call your number?Why not use line or whatsapp?
Banana Boi
12-03-18, 09:28
I think I have shilled for google Fi here before. For americans it is a great international mobile voice and data service but I have used rather in extensively in many countries including columbia, the philippines, thailand, Cambodia, malaysia, Indonesia, Australia but you get the idea. You can save a few baht getting a local sim card but for me the convenience of having my phone active wheels down in a new country is more than worth a couple of dollars. The knock on google Fi used to be it didn't support a wide varriety of phones (I love my Pixel), but it now supports many Samsung and iPhone models. If interested see below, we both get a $20 services credit if you sing up. Feel free to mesage me with any questions.
https://g.co/fi/r/AV50ATAIS Sim2 Fly seems to be a much better option. 399 baht for 8 days data 4 GB 4 G internet. Works in every country in Asia except 1 or 2. I forgot the exceptions but it's not a country any of us would likely go to.
Sim2 Fly also has a Europe / America card 899 baht for 16 days.
If you plan on needing it longer top up at ais before you leave Thailand. Of course getting a simple dtac or ais plan is better if you are only visiting Thailand. I pay 99 baht for 7 days unlimited 4 G.
Charm City Dave
12-03-18, 09:49
Can a girl with a Thai SIM easily reach your Google Fi number? Will she have to pay extra to call your number?I have never run across a girl that didn't use one of those messengers.
Charm City Dave
12-03-18, 09:57
AIS Sim2 Fly seems to be a much better option. 399 baht for 8 days data 4 GB 4 G internet. Works in every country in Asia except 1 or 2. I forgot the exceptions but it's not a country any of us would likely go to.
Sim2 Fly also has a Europe / America card 899 baht for 16 days.
If you plan on needing it longer top up at ais before you leave Thailand. Of course getting a simple dtac or ais plan is better if you are only visiting Thailand. I pay 99 baht for 7 days unlimited 4 G.As I said, there are cheaper routes. But I like having one phone number one sim card that works around the world and can be paid by credit card. Works in Medellin, works in Maryland and works in Jakarta. No renewing, no fumbling with SIM cards, one number. And Google customer service is available 24/7 in English should you ever need them. I have tethering to use my phone as a mobile hot spot. I had a minor issue in Peru and Google customer service had me back online in 10 minutes. I understand not for everyone, but for me with an average bill of $25 to $35 a month it is a bargin.
Hi guys,
Has anyone visited this area recently? I read that a few of the bars were closed by police but I would like to have a look if it is still in business. Broaden my horizons or just get a new supply of new talent.
The system elsewhere is not the system here. It is quite plain. The bar makes money from selling drinks. The Barfine is a compensation since the girl cannot sell drinks while she is absent, and she might not come back.The is for that.
I guess some could question why are LDs still payable after paying a bar fine that is designed to compensate the bar for their lost income from forgone drink sales but in reality who cares. When in Rome. . .
Now that I know, I've got no issue with factoring it into the night as long as I'm not petered all night for more drinks, drinks for her friends etc. 😁.
As I said, there are cheaper routes. But I like having one phone number one sim card that works around the world and can be paid by credit card. Works in Medellin, works in Maryland and works in Jakarta. No renewing, no fumbling with SIM cards, one number. And Google customer service is available 24/7 in English should you ever need them. I have tethering to use my phone as a mobile hot spot. I had a minor issue in Peru and Google customer service had me back online in 10 minutes. I understand not for everyone, but for me with an average bill of $25 to $35 a month it is a bargin.How do you receive local calls? E. G. What number would someone say in Bangkok would call to reach you while you were in Bangkok?
The is for that.
I guess some could question why are LDs still payable after paying a bar fine that is designed to compensate the bar for their lost income from forgone drink sales but in reality who cares. When in Rome. . .
Now that I know, I've got no issue with factoring it into the night as long as I'm not petered all night for more drinks, drinks for her friends etc. I guess you mean pestered. If she is a "good" working bargirl, she should keep trying to sell drinks for herself and friends. Yes should go on all night if you stay in the bar. Pay the bill in order to get the requests to stop. Otherwise just decide when to buy drinks yourself and otherwise decline.
Bars are generally not very exciting places to be once you have got your girl barfined and enough drinks into her to loosen her resolve (to be just working) and allow her to get into the sex. So staying there a very long time is not the best idea. Most bars have shitty music, at least for my age, it is mostly not great and too loud. Eye candy available in some bars. Stay long enough to see both sets of dancers then move on. I rarely last more than 1 drink in a bar unless I spotted some interesting talent, or still trying to decide. Shows in bars are crappy these days. Suzie Wong and Sheba used to be the best, and Long Gun in the old days, 10 to 15 years ago.
Bar hopping is best done without the girl already barfined, and you only stay long enough to decide if you want a girl there or not. It is possible to find more educated girls that are interesting to talk to, but these are generally not available for sex. For smarter student girls try Crazy Cats on Friday or Saturday. "Bobby" a student, is a very good talker, I found. Not shy but no sex. Maybe not the most stunning in that bar, but better lookers can be very quiet.
Bars are generally not very exciting places to be once you have got your girl barfined and enough drinks into her to loosen her resolve (to be just working) and allow her to get into the sex. So staying there a very long time is not the best idea. Most bars have shitty music, at least for my age, it is mostly not great and too loud. Eye candy available in some bars. Stay long enough to see both sets of dancers then move on. I rarely last more than 1 drink in a bar unless I spotted some interesting talent, or still trying to decide. Shows in bars are crappy these days. Suzie Wong and Sheba used to be the best, and Long Gun in the old days, 10 to 15 years ago.It looks like that's one of the big differences (not better or worse, just different) with PI. There, with a girl, I have had some fun nights bar hopping and with a few buddies and a posse there have been some epic nights. Generally the guys enjoy the drinking and eye candy and the girls enjoy catching up with friends that work elsewhere.
Bar hopping is best done without the girl already barfined, and you only stay long enough to decide if you want a girl there or not. It is possible to find more educated girls that are interesting to talk to, but these are generally not available for sex. For smarter student girls try Crazy Cats on Friday or Saturday. "Bobby" a student, is a very good talker, I found. Not shy but no sex. Maybe not the most stunning in that bar, but better lookers can be very quiet.If a guy falls in love, I'm guessing the bar fine can be paid and the girl stays in the bar to be collected after the guy has done the drinking circuit with buddies.
Last time I was in Pattaya (admittedly 20 yrs ago 😁 a holding fee could be paid and the girl would wait until a certain time for you to return. Return late after the agreed time and your fee was lost and the girl was free to bar fine anyone. I never was a fan of that as there was always the risk of running late and / or after a few too many beers, forgetting which bar you had to return to.
Cheers, G
Member #4591
12-04-18, 16:50
Hi guys,
Has anyone visited this area recently? I read that a few of the bars were closed by police but I would like to have a look if it is still in business. Broaden my horizons or just get a new supply of new talent.There is a deadicsted thread about this area that I created. Just scroll down the forum list of threads and you will see it. Here is the link for you anyways:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3831-Sephan-Kwai
OK, very informative! Thank you Mr. Dog.
Charm City Dave
12-05-18, 09:25
How do you receive local calls? E. G. What number would someone say in Bangkok would call to reach you while you were in Bangkok?Someone in Thailand would have to call your US number. That said everyone I have met in Thailand has Whatsapp, Viber or Line. I reserve my Pattaya airport transfer through Whatsapp. I'm a world traveler who visits 4 or 5 countries a year. I'd hate to have a number in each country plus my US number. If I was an expat living in Thailand a local SIM might make more sense.
https://g.co/fi/r/AV50AT
Suzie Wong and Sheba used to be the best, and Long Gun in the old days, 10 to 15 years ago.Don't forget My Place on Soi Cowboy. You were saying you liked Shebas in 2010. That was around the time My Place was rockin' and had great shows and great girls. I almost completely stopped going to Shebas in 2008 when I discovered My Place had better looking girls and better shows. I was never a big fan of Suzie Wong. The place always seems so dirty. The best shows I ever saw were at Hollywood bar in Nana around 2001. That 12 girl lesbian show where they formed a 12 girl circle was awesome.
- WTF! Did they stop the full nudity at Nana. Billboards was only topless. The dancers at Spankys were topless. Although I did see some full nudity at Spanky or Angelwitch during one of their shows.
- I do have to give a thumbs up to Twisters. I liked their sign at the front which said, "100% Real Girls". Talent level was decent.
- That poster was right. The talent level at Soi Cowboy's Crazy House is not as good as it was 2 years ago. There are a few cuties, but many are marginal full figure girls. At least there is full nudity still.
- Long Gun had the ping pong shows. No rip off potential like Patong. Those girls had amazing accuracy with their pussy darts. Probably around 90%. But most of the girls were on the ugly side.
- I do have to give a thumbs up to Twisters. I liked their sign at the front which said, "100% Real Girls". Talent level was decent.I think there is 1 girl in there who is 100% real girl. I believe the rest are lady boys.
Most bars have shitty music, at least for my age, it is mostly not great and too loud. Try Sexy Nights in Nana. Good music there.
I think there is 1 girl in there who is 100% real girl. I believe the rest are lady boys.Huh? As you enter Nana, the bar on the second floor, right corner, right side. Obviously one of us has the name mixed up. I will check tonight.
Huh? As you enter Nana, the bar on the second floor, right corner, right side. Obviously one of us has the name mixed up. I will check tonight.I'm just kidding.
An old friend of mine from Soi Cowboy said that she had moved and was now working in Nana Plaza. Good, I would like to see her again. Where are you working, I messaged her. Twitter bar (her spelling) was the answer. I googled Twitter bar in Nana plaza with no results. She messaged me again saying that she was at work now. I replied, where is Twitter bar? She replied: second floor with all the blue lights. I walked down to Twister. Ex rainbow bar and sat outside. She came out and grabbed me. I said. OHHH. This is Twitter bar.
I'm just kidding.Good one Smoothy.
I walked down to Twister. Ex rainbow bar and sat outside. She came out and grabbed me. I said. OHHH. This is Twitter bar.Twister Bar is on the second floor.
There is a Twister BKK on the first floor.
The problem with these bars is that the marginal girls walk around hustling for drinks. The talent in Twister Bar at 11 PM was better than Twister BKK at midnight. At Twister Bar around 11 PM, couple of cuties walked in. They probably came back from their short time. Wondering what the talent level is at opening time. Twister Bar was moderately packed, with a lot of East Asians, which is a good sign for the that type of talent which I prefer.
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