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A funny movie from Pattaya, how one Chinese man, was drunk and gave a lot of money to the freelancers girls in the Club. Friends try to stop him. Also a lot of "coyote" walking around. https://youtu.be/W17cM7401ZA.
In one month from today I will be back in Pattaya for about 2-1/2 weeks of mongering fun. This will be my ninth trip since my first visit here in 2015. Typically, I have been spending 14 to 17 days in Pattaya, then I meet up with my Thai GF in Bangkok (who knows nothing of my mongering) for ten to 14 days before I return home. I met the girl on Thai Cupid back around 2012 or so. She is 20 years younger than me (I am mid 60's) and claimed to be a virgin. She has been everything she ever claimed to be, and her virginity took me several years of hard work to take away from her. It was not fun, but I expected to be rewarded by intense pleasure once I broke in. Unfortunately, that has not the case, and though she loves to have sex and do sexual things with me, the actual intercourse is not pleasurable and it takes a ton of effort from me to come even two or three times in the two weeks I am with her! With a bar girl I trust (call me stupid) who I will do BB with, I can bring myself to orgasm in 20 to 30 seconds as the feelings, compared to covered sex, are so intense. I only do BB with the GF, but for whatever reason, the wondrous feelings are not there. Last time I couldn't come for a whole week with her, and I was exhausted when I finally did manage to orgasm. It is crazy and I don't understand exactly why. Maybe the same issues that made it so difficult to enter her originally has something to do with it. Even after a few dozen times, she remains tight and she says entering her is still uncomfortable. I wish I could explain it due to my massive size, but alas, I am almost exactly average for a white dude. She has even seen an GYN several times and the doc says all is fine. I really like the girl and I can see myself considering marriage, but I want her to visit the US first and, as we know, it can be difficult for Thai women. Even legit women who were virgins when they turned 40 - to get a visa. In my opinion she has stalled a bit on this, but finally seems to be moving forward and, at the first of the year, she was hoping to be able to come here this spring. I don't think she is deliberately delaying. She has family who wanted to visit the US this April and she was going to apply with them, but they backed out until next year, though she said she would continue with the application. I have not heard if she has, and I have not asked, but it appears she will be too late. I do not want her coming here after April as our touristy places get packed and standing in line in the sun and crowds is not fun.
But. I had told her it was HER turn to come to me, and she agreed. Since by this point I have seen no positive indication she will come this spring, I decided to continue with my semi-annual LOS plans, except that I won't tell her.
Soooo, what will I do differently on this trip? Well, there are two additional women who have come into play. One I may have mentioned here a long time ago is a woman I also met on Thai Cupid back circa 2013, who is also a legit Thai woman, maybe 24 year younger than me, but who is a legit pharmacy tech. She has had a bad history with Thai men and mostly gave men up, not having sex for many years. We have been sort of like pen pals and over the years she has put up with a lot of sexual joking and propositions from me. She takes it from me and chalks it up to me simply being a man, but on rare occasional she will come back with some sexy stuff. I think she is getting lonely for a man and I think the time is ripe for me to finally meet her. I asked if she would meet me and she said yes. I asked if she would stay in my hotel with me as I would only have a weekend with her, and she said yes but that there would be no sex. Fine. I think, though, that in the same bed she might give in to some extent if I play it right. It might only be a HJ or BJ, but even if nothing, I will be ok as I will have just arrived from Pattaya. My main concern is that I will find her unattractive. She is a tiny girl and though she looks ok in most of her pictures, there is one that makes her to appear like an old Asian lady from the country. But that will be ok. She is super nice and caring and I do enjoy texting her, and I don't want to hurt her or make her think I am ready to marry her. 48 to 60 hours with her will be doable regardless.
And. 4 or 5 years ago I met a pretty mainland Chinese girl on a cruise. She was employed by the cruise line so no possibility of anything sexual, but I thought she was really cute and I got to talk to her a couple times and I left her my email. To my surprise, she wrote me back and we met off ship one time for about a hour or so before she started on Asian cruises. This girl is about 35 years younger than me! (Am I insane? We have continued, sporadically, to text each other and she said it would be her honor to show me around China if I was ever there when she had time off. Why she offered that I have no idea. Just being friendly, not thinking I would take her up on the offer? Well, I mentioned I had been to Phuket, a port she has visited often, and she repeated her offer to me just last year. So, this year, I have taken her up on the offer and we have planned to meet in China in May and travel a bit! I keep thinking she will back down, but so far it is a go! This is a girl who, while not beautiful, has that girl next door, nerdy, slender look that I find hot! Haha But I see no hints from her that there will be anything sexual involved but. Why would a girl under 30 want to travel in her home country with a man at least 35 years older that her with her not wondering if the guy will be demanding sex?? Are her motives pure and innocent, or is the hoping to get "something" out of me? This question has been bugging me. I would be ok if she hit me up for pay to play, as I would love to play with her! But when I asked her what expectation she had from me, she said she had none. She said she liked to travel on her time off and if not with me it would be with some other man, or woman. So, I don't know. As with the Thai girl, I am willing to see what happens. Worst case I should get a nice tour with a local girl, best case I will find heaven on Earth.
Sooooo, unless the Thai GF surprises me with a visa, I should have fun times in Pattaya (with some blue days tossed in in), have a chance to meet a friend for possibly some GFE, then my first trip to China to see a sweet young thing I met on a cruise who I have lusted after for a few years and thought was lost to me by age and distance. Who knows what may happen with her, though I would not be too surprised if she cancels.
Interesting times are approaching.
I ran across an "outcall massage" service on the internet offering oil massage 600 bt / 60 min, 900 bt / 90 min, 1100 bt / 120 min by attractive young spinners, as per the pictures which they sent along. Anyone have experience / comment and anyone know of the expected fees for extras for such outfits?
I enjoy an outcall to my hotel in the morning and thought this may be a valid process if not a 'bait and switch'. Look forward to feedback, cheers.I tried one of these the other day. The girl they sent was not the one I requested, at least she didn't match the picture. She wanted 2 k extra for full service. I sent her on her way with nothing after conversing with the mamasan on the phone. For that price you might as well pay a barfine. At least you get to see the merchandise before you order it.
I lived in China for six years. Consider yourself very fortunate to have the invitation to travel with a local within China. It will be a totally different experience from being on your own or going with a tour. Chinese consider it an honor to show Laowai their country. And Chinese women in general are far more conservative than Thais or women in many other cultures. Maybe you'll get lucky, but just enjoy the experience for whatever it turns out to be. You're exotic to a Chinese and a new experience for them. I had that a lot, somethings with benefits, sometimes not. Always worth the experience. Like many other places in Asia, age doesn't mean a thing to these folks.
And. 4 or 5 years ago I met a pretty mainland Chinese girl on a cruise. She was employed by the cruise line so no possibility of anything sexual, but I thought she was really cute and I got to talk to her a couple times and I left her my email. To my surprise, she wrote me back and we met off ship one time for about a hour or so before she started on Asian cruises. This girl is about 35 years younger than me! (Am I insane? We have continued, sporadically, to text each other and she said it would be her honor to show me around China if I was ever there when she had time off. Why she offered that I have no idea. Just being friendly, not thinking I would take her up on the offer? Well, I mentioned I had been to Phuket, a port she has visited often, and she repeated her offer to me just last year. So, this year, I have taken her up on the offer and we have planned to meet in China in May and travel a bit! I keep thinking she will back down, but so far it is a go! This is a girl who, while not beautiful, has that girl next door, nerdy, slender look that I find hot! Haha But I see no hints from her that there will be anything sexual involved but. Why would a girl under 30 want to travel in her home country with a man at least 35 years older that her with her not wondering if the guy will be demanding sex?? Are her motives pure and innocent, or is the hoping to get "something" out of me? This question has been bugging me. I would be ok if she hit me up for pay to play, as I would love to play with her! But when I asked her what expectation she had from me, she said she had none. She said she liked to travel on her time off and if not with me it would be with some other man, or woman. So, I don't know. As with the Thai girl, I am willing to see what happens. Worst case I should get a nice tour with a local girl, best case I will find heaven on Earth.
I have worked off and on in China for years and have traveled around China with several different Chinese female "friends". My advice is that you will enjoy the trip and have a good time and there is a good chance you will have sex if you treat her nice. Chinese women like to travel with foreign men because we stay in nicer places than Chinese normally stay at, and we are usually 1000% better behaved than Chinese men. So if you treat her nice don't be surprised if in a couple of days you are sharing the same bed. Just don't expect sex the first couple of nights. One thing you should be aware of is that the concept of leisurely travel is foreign to the Chinese, they are used to a schedule where they cram a lot of activities into a single day. SP be prepared and have fun.
Dive Monger
03-21-19, 14:11
I have worked off and on in China for years and have traveled around China with several different Chinese female "friends". My advice is that you will enjoy the trip and have a good time and there is a good chance you will have sex if you treat her nice. Chinese women like to travel with foreign men because we stay in nicer places than Chinese normally stay at, and we are usually 1000% better behaved than Chinese men. So if you treat her nice don't be surprised if in a couple of days you are sharing the same bed. Just don't expect sex the first couple of nights. One thing you should be aware of is that the concept of leisurely travel is foreign to the Chinese, they are used to a schedule where they cram a lot of activities into a single day. SP be prepared and have fun.FL Hawk,
I have traveled quite a bit in China, and have to 100% agree with the points made by Aggie and USexpat. These have also been my experiences. Don't push it, and be prepared for what might be a somewhat exhausting schedule. Do a little research and suggest some places you would like to visit, better if you can surreptitiously find out what she really likes and play a bit dumb in requesting that as well LOL You know the game! Have a great time. I vastly prefer what you will be doing to my normal mongering, but I do not have the significantly larger amount of time required to be put in for good outcomes. China is an amazing place, and once you get to places that are less frequented by laowei you will find that you are quite the center of attention (she will also be respected by having 'snagged' a foreign gentleman, especially an older one; the thing I like best about China is that they have respect and what appears to be real preference for us older guys. I am also in my mid-60's).
So enjoy and have a great time. Let us know here what went down.
Crocodilexp
03-21-19, 18:26
Wanted to know how you guys approach ladies for anal sex. Do you ask her right on her face or do you deal with her once she is in your room.Definitely ask her upfront, before agreeing to take her.
Even among the girls who would accept anal, it's not part of the standard package, most would rather avoid it if they could. Once she's in your room, she has very little incentive to accept. So, don't be shy, ask upfront, before you agree to go with her. If she's not shy to ask discuss money, you shouldn't be shy to discuss what she needs to deliver to earn it. Pattaya girls have heard it all before.
Folks,
Have visited Pattaya twice but never tried anal sex though. I know this topic is already discussed but couldn't find those posts. Wanted to know how you guys approach ladies for anal sex. Do you ask her right on her face or do you deal with her once she is in your room. Thanks in advance folks. Keep Banging safe. Cheers.I generally start off saying: "I'm looking for a lady that does everything". Most girls will get the message. If they don't get it, just cut right to the chase and ask.
Mr Enternational
03-22-19, 09:44
Have visited Pattaya twice but never tried anal sex though. I know this topic is already discussed but couldn't find those posts. Wanted to know how you guys approach ladies for anal sex. Do you ask her right on her face or do you deal with her once she is in your room.You better ask before you take her. Just say I want to fuck your ass. She will say ok or say you can not fuck her ass or tell you to get ladyboy. Then depending on where your are (bar, street, wherever) ask her to show you a LADY that can fuck ass. Simple.
Definitely ask her upfront, before agreeing to take her.
Even among the girls who would accept anal, it's not part of the standard package, most would rather avoid it if they could. Once she's in your room, she has very little incentive to accept. So, don't be shy, ask upfront, before you agree to go with her. If she's not shy to ask discuss money, you shouldn't be shy to discuss what she needs to deliver to earn it. Pattaya girls have heard it all before.I think anal sex is often an iffy kind of thing, even for Thai ladies who do it. They say maybe they will have anal sex with you, if your cock isn't too big. And of course, they don't know how big your cock is, until they see your full erection in the private room with you.
I think a lot fewer ladies will say 'yes' to you, when you ask them upfront. If you want to get that iffy lady, whose nice ass you really like, then you need to show her that you are a gentle guy and you won't hurt her. Because it's not really about the size of your cock. It's about how you do it.
And there is plenty you can do to persuade the lady, once she is in your room.
The first thing you need to do is persuade her that you won't hurt her ass with your cock. So, don't just ask her for anal, especially when she is concerned about the size of your cock. Ask her for cowgirl anal. In cowgirl anal, you lie on your back, and the lady takes your cock with her ass cowgirl style. The lady is on top. She controls the action. So, she feels a lot more secure and sure that nothing bad will happen to her.
Cowgirl anal is the position to start from, when the lady isn't sure about having anal sex with you. Because the girl is in control. You only provide your cock for her. She does the rest. And once the lady gets her ass going in a cowgirl anal ride with you, then you can start thrusting your cock inside her ass from below and eventually change your sex-position with her and do it doggy or some other position. And of course, you need to pay attention to the lady and stop if she asks you to. Because for you it might be pleasure, but for her it might be pain. And pain is often a sign of injury. That's why you need to stop.
And another thing you can do to persuade the lady in your room is offer her more money for anal-sex, than she normally gets for pussy-sex.
More money and cowgirl-anal to start with. This is the way to improve your chances with iffy ladies, who have anal sex only sometimes with some guys.
Thanks to Dive Monger, Aggie and USexpat regarding my Chinese girl. I certainly won't push anything. That is not my style. She did tell me that she wants to find someone who is nice and will treat her with respect. I replied that I was nice and respectful, but she replied with "You are a good friend"! Haha I may be in the friend zone but, being about 35 years older than her, that is ok. I will go see her hoping for awesome sex by the end but expecting only to spend some touristy time with a super cute tour guide who will be sleeping 4 feet away from me. I have wanted to visit China anyway, and having a cute native girl half my age is a great way to do it! If I can be the exotic one who is viewed as a catch, then ok! Haha But not sure how true that is in the large, international cities. But it would help to partially answer the question of why his young, pretty woman is so willing to hang out with me.
But, my apologies for discussing this upcoming visit on a Pattaya forum. I will move it over to a Chinese board as necessary, but any resulting trip report from May will be announced here.
Mr Enternational
03-22-19, 16:45
And there is plenty you can do to persuade the lady, once she is in your room.And the chances of this are less than 1%. If a chick has been through hundreds of guys and never done anal, a short time punter is not going to persuade her to do anal all of a sudden after getting to the room. As has been said before, if you are looking for something other than straight sex, then you need to make it known and come to an agreement beforehand.
Banana Boi
03-22-19, 17:23
New Police chief in Pattaya. Anyone have any insight if this is a good or bad thing for walking street, soi 6, beach road, etc?
Bdonkadonk
03-22-19, 19:17
... She has been everything she ever claimed to be, and her virginity took me several years of hard work to take away from her. It was not fun, but I expected to be rewarded by intense pleasure once I broke in. Unfortunately, that has not the case, and though she loves to have sex and do sexual things with me, the actual intercourse is not pleasurable and it takes a ton of effort from me to come even two or three times in the two weeks I am with her! With a bar girl I trust (call me stupid) who I will do BB with, I can bring myself to orgasm in 20 to 30 seconds as the feelings, compared to covered sex, are so intense. I only do BB with the GF, but for whatever reason, the wondrous feelings are not there. Last time I couldn't come for a whole week with her, and I was exhausted when I finally did manage to orgasm. It is crazy and I don't understand exactly why. Maybe the same issues that made it so difficult to enter her originally has something to do with it. Even after a few dozen times, she remains tight and she says entering her is still uncomfortable. I wish I could explain it due to my massive size, but alas, I am almost exactly average for a white dude. She has even seen an GYN several times and the doc says all is fine ...I wrote a response to your post just before the forum went down for some days and my post was published but somehow got lost during the crash. It's irritating when posts just disappear like that but I will try again to write a response.
It's interesting to read about your adventures and your upcoming trips seems like something to look forward to. But when I read about your Thai girlfriend I get so puzzled to why sex with her is something so difficult and why she is feeling uncomfortable when you are entering her. Maybe the answer is too hard to understand and you just will have to accept the situation and that penetrating sex is just a problem. My thoughts about this is if you have considered to skip the penetrating sex, since it is such a big problem, and do other things instead? There are many more things that you can do instead and you can for example have handjobs and blowjobs and kissing. To me it seems like the best thing to do, to just forget about penetrating sex and do other things. Your girlfriend will most likely also see it as a relief to not go through all the feelings of discomfort from the sex. Another thought, have you tried with lube? I suppose that you have but using even a bit more lube than you normally do might make a difference.
LittleBigMan
03-23-19, 01:42
New Police chief in Pattaya. Anyone have any insight if this is a good or bad thing for walking street, soi 6, beach road, etc?In all the years I've been here, a number of replacements including the Mayor and it is all the same. They come out with a bang or indicate a bang then it is the same old stuff.
And the chances of this are less than 1%. If a chick has been through hundreds of guys and never done anal, a short time punter is not going to persuade her to do anal all of a sudden after getting to the room. As has been said before, if you are looking for something other than straight sex, then you need to make it known and come to an agreement beforehand.In an extreme case such as the one you describe, your chances of getting the lady to have anal sex with you are poor indeed.
But a lot of ladies have occasional anal sex with some guys, depending on how they feel about themselves and their guy. And with such iffy ladies, you can either ruin your chances or improve them a lot, depending on your approach with the lady.
The thing to remember is that the lady doesn't always say either "Yes" or "No", when you ask her about anal sex. Sometimes ladies say 'Maybe'. They will do it only sometimes with some guys, but not in other times and not with other guys.
And if you look at ladies who have sex for money in porn, then you will see that even ladies who have had pussy-only sex for a long time, might eventually start having anal sex too. A good example of this is a porn-star by the name of Angela White.
Angela White started performing in porn in 2003. She did it pussy-only until 2014. But then in 2014, she started having anal sex with guys. And now she is regularly performing in anal films with titles such as "Bubble Butt Anal S l u t s 4" and "Anal Extremists".
http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=angelawhite/gender=f/angela-white.htm
https://www.adultdvdempire.com/2620593/bubble-butt-anal-sluts-4-porn-movies.html
https://www.adultdvdempire.com/2545918/anal-extremists-porn-movies.html
Sexual experience makes women more sexually adventurous, rather than less. It works like this for guys too. A virgin guy probably wouldn't be asking for anal right away. But a guy, who has slept around with women, might eventually want to try anal with some lady.
Kamsutra69
03-23-19, 12:38
In my experience, a Thai girl is only likely to say yes to anal either towards the end of her career (like Angela White) or if she has gone without a gig for too long or if she really enjoys it (and likes you). In all three instances, the smaller the dick the better the chances. Hurts less. I have never met a young, beautiful Thai saying yes to anal instantly. Unless it's an illegal service flat on Edgware Road in London.
Happy mongering!
In an extreme case such as the one you describe, your chances of getting the lady to have anal sex with you are poor indeed.
But a lot of ladies have occasional anal sex with some guys, depending on how they feel about themselves and their guy. And with such iffy ladies, you can either ruin your chances or improve them a lot, depending on your approach with the lady.
The thing to remember is that the lady doesn't always say either "Yes" or "No", when you ask her about anal sex. Sometimes ladies say 'Maybe'. They will do it only sometimes with some guys, but not in other times and not with other guys.
And if you look at ladies who have sex for money in porn, then you will see that even ladies who have had pussy-only sex for a long time, might eventually start having anal sex too. A good example of this is a porn-star by the name of Angela White.
Angela White started performing in porn in 2003. She did it pussy-only until 2014. But then in 2014, she started having anal sex with guys. And now she is regularly performing in anal films with titles such as "Bubble Butt Anal S l u t s 4" and "Anal Extremists".
http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=angelawhite/gender=f/angela-white.htm
https://www.adultdvdempire.com/2620593/bubble-butt-anal-sluts-4-porn-movies.html
https://www.adultdvdempire.com/2545918/anal-extremists-porn-movies.html
Sexual experience makes women more sexually adventurous, rather than less. It works like this for guys too. A virgin guy probably wouldn't be asking for anal right away. But a guy, who has slept around with women, might eventually want to try anal with some lady.
In my experience, a Thai girl is only likely to say yes to anal either towards the end of her career (like Angela White) or if she has gone without a gig for too long or if she really enjoys it (and likes you). In all three instances, the smaller the dick the better the chances. Hurts less. I have never met a young, beautiful Thai saying yes to anal instantly. Unless it's an illegal service flat on Edgware Road in London.
Happy mongering!I think it's a false stereotype that young hot ladies don't do anal with guys.
Because women who have anal sex in porn aren't any older or any less attractive, than pussy-only ladies. And you can say the same thing about Thai women at a place like Cherry Massage. You can check out the A+ ladies at the link below. I think they are just as young and as good-looking as the ladies who aren't A+.
https://cherrymassagebkk.com/massage-ladies/
I've also checked out ladies at https://smooci.com/ who work in Bangkok. I found some A-Level ladies there, and some of them are really hot. An A-Level lady by the name of Jubilee is someone to check out there. Other A-Level beautiful Thai ladies are: Piper, Lisa, Muna, Hillary, Tanxxx, Pen, and Lusaka.
Kamsutra69
03-23-19, 14:13
"In my experience" is not stereotyping. Even at Devils Den the A-level girls are usually older or uglier or both.
Many who advertise "A-level inclusive" will ask you for extra money when it comes to it. Again, in my experience. But I should have added the money caveat too. My bad.
I will definitely try your suggestions the next time I am in TL.
I think it's a false stereotype that young hot ladies don't do anal with guys.
Because women who have anal sex in porn aren't any older or any less attractive, than pussy-only ladies. And you can say the same thing about Thai women at a place like Cherry Massage. You can check out the A+ ladies at the link below. I think they are just as young and as good-looking as the ladies who aren't A+.
https://cherrymassagebkk.com/massage-ladies/
I've also checked out ladies at https://smooci.com/ who work in Bangkok. I found some A-Level ladies there, and some of them are really hot. An A-Level lady by the name of Jubilee is someone to check out there. Other A-Level beautiful Thai ladies are: Piper, Lisa, Muna, Hillary, Tanxxx, Pen, and Lusaka.
"In my experience" is not stereotyping. Even at Devils Den the A-level girls are usually older or uglier or both.
Many who advertise "A-level inclusive" will ask you for extra money when it comes to it. Again, in my experience. But I should have added the money caveat too. My bad.
I will definitely try your suggestions the next time I am in TL.I haven't been at Devil's Den, but I suspect that A-level ladies there don't get any extra pay. And that's the problem.
If you make pay the same for pussy and for anal sex, then of course, mostly ugly chicks will go for anal dicks. Perhaps this is where your experience comes from.
In porn, it's standard practice to give women more money for anal-sex than for pussy-sex. And from what I understand, women get paid even more for double-penetration. That's why hot women go for anal with guys in porn.
Thai P4P women aren't any different in this regard. They also have sex for money, just like porn-stars. And they also want extra money to do anal with guys. And if you don't do it like that, then you end up with your kind of experience, where only ugly chicks play around with anal dicks.
More pay for anal is the key to make anal ladies just as good-looking as pussy-only ladies.
That's why I say that you need to start with offering more money for anal to the lady in the same breath as you mention anal. Or else she might think that you want to take her ass for the same money as pussy-sex, and she might say "No" to you just for this reason alone.
Mr Enternational
03-23-19, 16:51
The thing to remember is that the lady doesn't always say either "Yes" or "No", when you ask her about anal sex. Sometimes ladies say 'Maybe'. They will do it only sometimes with some guys, but not in other times and not with other guys.We are talking about P4 P, not a mating game. If I want something special then I am going to make it known and agreed upon upfront. How the hell can you accept a maybe for something you are paying for? When you paid the airline and told them you wanted to go to Bangkok, did they tell you maybe?
Why would you try to work out a services deal after you have gotten to the room? That is like waiting until the waiter has brought you fried chicken and you spring on him that you want it baked. Then he tells you the oven is broken and you end up paying for something you did not want. It saves everyone time, trouble, and disappointment when you specify what you want upfront instead of hoping she will agree to it once in the room.
In an extreme case such as the one you describe, your chances of getting the lady to have anal sex with you are poor indeed.
But a lot of ladies have occasional anal sex with some guys, depending on how they feel about themselves and their guy. And with such iffy ladies, you can either ruin your chances or improve them a lot, depending on your approach with the lady.
The thing to remember is that the lady doesn't always say either "Yes" or "No", when you ask her about anal sex. Sometimes ladies say 'Maybe'. They will do it only sometimes with some guys, but not in other times and not with other guys.
And if you look at ladies who have sex for money in porn, then you will see that even ladies who have had pussy-only sex for a long time, might eventually start having anal sex too. A good example of this is a porn-star by the name of Angela White.
Angela White started performing in porn in 2003. She did it pussy-only until 2014. But then in 2014, she started having anal sex with guys. And now she is regularly performing in anal films with titles such as "Bubble Butt Anal S l u t s 4" and "Anal Extremists".y.You gave an extremely bad example. Angela White had to do that to stay in the business which is the same when a freelancer gets old or is offered a lot of money. If she makes it back to the hotel without negotiating prior, leverage is lost, and time is wasted.
I haven't been at Devil's Den, but I suspect that A-level ladies there don't get any extra pay. And that's the problem.
If you make pay the same for pussy and for anal sex, then of course, mostly ugly chicks will go for anal dicks. Perhaps this is where your experience comes from.
In porn, it's standard practice to give women more money for anal-sex than for pussy-sex. And from what I understand, women get paid even more for double-penetration. That's why hot women go for anal with guys in porn.
Thai P4P women aren't any different in this regard. They also have sex for money, just like porn-stars. And they also want extra money to do anal with guys. And if you don't do it like that, then you end up with your kind of experience, where only ugly chicks play around with anal dicks.
More pay for anal is the key to make anal ladies just as good-looking as pussy-only ladies.
That's why I say that you need to start with offering more money for anal to the lady in the same breath as you mention anal. Or else she might think that you want to take her ass for the same money as pussy-sex, and she might say "No" to you just for this reason alone.This lacks logic. The difference is a freelancer can just move onto the next guy. Any extra money is marginal to a freelancer who hasn't done anal or dislikes it. There are freelancers who are less inhibited and / or more troubled who do anal which there are plenty of. But still have to negotiate up front. Going for a "maybe" or not setting expectations is a total. Newbie move.
This lacks logic. The difference is a freelancer can just move onto the next guy. Any extra money is marginal to a freelancer who hasn't done anal or dislikes it. There are freelancers who are less inhibited and / or more troubled who do anal which there are plenty of. But still have to negotiate up front. Going for a "maybe" or not setting expectations is a total. Newbie move.I agree that extra money only one time and only from one guy isn't enough to persuade ladies to do this kind of stuff. It will work only if she gets extra pay every time and from every guy. Which is possible to do at an establishment like Devil's Den.
It has to be like this, because any extra pay from only one customer and only one time is a relatively small amount of money in the larger scheme of things. It becomes a substantial amount of money only if the A-level lady gets extra pay every time and with every customer.
The porn industry has already proven that this idea works. The ladies who do anal in porn are just as good-looking, if not more so, than pussy-only ladies. And in porn it's standard practice to pay women 1.5 times more for anal, than for pussy sex. They've been doing this for decades.
I'm not talking about some new and untested idea. This is standard practice in porn, and you can see for yourself that it works.
Mr Enternational
03-24-19, 14:44
I agree that extra money only one time and only from one guy isn't enough to persuade ladies to do this kind of stuff. It will work only if she gets extra pay every time and from every guy. Which is possible to do at an establishment like Devil's Den.Dude what are you talking about? Isn't anal included in the price at DD? There are chicks that do it and there are chicks that don't do it. But there is no added cost. That is the same way I manage my P4P. I don't pay a la carte or extra. If she does an act then she does it, but I am not running up my bill trying to coax someone into doing something. I have fucked tons of chicks in the ass, I have skeeted in tons of chicks' mouths, I have filmed and taken pictures of tons of chicks without paying extra. And maybe I don't because having done those acts plenty of times, there is no big deal in it for me to be paying extra or begging for it.
P. S. There are chicks that would not do some things with a certain guy for all the money in the world. That same chick will do all of the above things with another guy for free. Your Mileage May Vary. There is no getting extra pay from every guy every time.
I agree that extra money only one time and only from one guy isn't enough to persuade ladies to do this kind of stuff. It will work only if she gets extra pay every time and from every guy. Which is possible to do at an establishment like Devil's Den.
It has to be like this, because any extra pay from only one customer and only one time is a relatively small amount of money in the larger scheme of things. It becomes a substantial amount of money only if the A-level lady gets extra pay every time and with every customer.
The porn industry has already proven that this idea works. The ladies who do anal in porn are just as good-looking, if not more so, than pussy-only ladies. And in porn it's standard practice to pay women 1.5 times more for anal, than for pussy sex. They've been doing this for decades.
I'm not talking about some new and untested idea. This is standard practice in porn, and you can see for yourself that it works.Except this isn't porn in that the porn industry almost demands anal to be relevant. In the real world, there are Japanese guys who will pay extra just for pussy. Which leads to, not every customer will demand A-level service. Go to Thermae and poll how many women there will do A-level. You can see for yourself, right?
Dude what are you talking about? Isn't anal included in the price at DD? There are chicks that do it and there are chicks that don't do it. But there is no added cost. That is the same way I manage my P4P. I don't pay a la carte or extra. If she does an act then she does it, but I am not running up my bill trying to coax someone into doing something. I have fucked tons of chicks in the ass, I have skeeted in tons of chicks' mouths, I have filmed and taken pictures of tons of chicks without paying extra. And maybe I don't because having done those acts plenty of times, there is no big deal in it for me to be paying extra or begging for it.
P. S. There are chicks that would not do some things with a certain guy for all the money in the world. That same chick will do all of the above things with another guy for free. Your Mileage May Vary. There is no getting extra pay from every guy every time.Agree Mr. E. I have not paid for any extras and I usually go with the flow. Most chicks will let you finish in the mouth and anal isn't a big thing with me, if I get I take it but if their backdoor is sacred grounds so be it. I do what I do and unless it is covering up for a blow job if the girl says no then I get on with it. The only extra I may give is a taxi fare if they stay overnight and they have pleased me.
Crocodilexp
03-24-19, 23:23
I generally start off saying: "I'm looking for a lady that does everything". Most girls will get the message. If they don't get it, just cut right to the chase and ask.That's so silly. What's "everything"? Double fisting? Bukkake with 30 guys? People have all sorts of weird fetishes, nobody in this world does "everything", but plenty of working girls will have a definition of "everything" that doesn't even include a BBBJ, let alone anal.
That's so silly. What's "everything"? Double fisting? Bukkake with 30 guys? People have all sorts of weird fetishes, nobody in this world does "everything", but plenty of working girls will have a definition of "everything" that doesn't even include a BBBJ, let alone anal.I would be very specific. The only thing I take for granted is BBBJ and that is probably playing with fire LOL. It is a business transaction and should be treated as one. You would not employ a builder and not specify all your requirements.
LittleBigMan
03-25-19, 07:05
Except this isn't porn in that the porn industry almost demands anal to be relevant. In the real world, there are Japanese guys who will pay extra just for pussy. Which leads to, not every customer will demand A-level service. Go to Thermae and poll how many women there will do A-level. You can see for yourself, right?You make some good points but here is where you failed! " in the real world " where guys like you get this stuff? Have you been reading the board here? " Japanese guys who will pay extra just for pussy " why in the world would you want to step on a race to try to make a point then go to Thermae and poll how many there will do A-level? Don't ask someone to do something you wouldn't do yourself.
That's so silly. What's "everything"?I think it might be a euphemism for anal. I once had an older thai chick in my room who was very compliant. After doing some vaginal sex with her I asked her if she fucked in the ass.
She replied "Yes" then added "I do everything".
I think it might be a euphemism for anal. I once had an older thai chick in my room who was very compliant. After doing some vaginal sex with her I asked her if she fucked in the ass.
She replied "Yes" then added "I do everything".I agree that in actual practice that is generally what Thai girls mean by "everything." Anal.
It is not necessarily what customers mean by "everything," though. But you can usually bet that is what the girl means by it.
She might go so far as to say, "everything EXCEPT anal" (her assuming that you probably apply that meaning to it, too). LOL. Now that is the most puzzling answer of all since I have yet to meet a Thai girl whose claim to do "everything" for me automatically includes BBFS+CIP, BBBJ+CIM+SWALLOW and may not even include CIM at all.
So, aside from anal and a few relativlely meaningless Cum On finishes, what the hell could she possibly mean by "everything"? Necrophilia? Farm animals?
LittleBigMan
03-25-19, 11:08
Not always? In the old days back home, it was " around the world " " Everything is like I take care of you " it can mean something else?
If anal is offered I never turn it down, if the session is going good with chemistry or it is a repeat whenever on doggie I give it the test and start to play with the area if she doesn't push my hand away I lick the thumb and start to slip it in no resistance?
One of my regulars from a massage shop always presented top-notch service worked late night shift could have worked at any Go-Go like the freedom. After a late night out I made it a habit of cruizing by and if she was available we were off I got close but never anal, she would rather offer me bareback which I decline. Thereafter she went to Korea for a year to work when she came back turn into a freelancer and I saw her a few times but she now had become spoiled and service got to be disappointing maybe because she found out I was seeing one of her friends at her old shop. Didn't lie to her told her yes because she does anal and she admitted her friend is a superstar and know to do it regularly with her customers. She was curious I told her I'll break you in if done slowly and correctly you will enjoy it but she declined. After that session, I was pretty much done with her after a year she Line with a bunch of pictures said she misses me etc. That she would do "everything " I replied you sure " everything " she respon yes " everything " followed with french kissing, eating pussy, BBBJ and bareback I said what about your ass? Said still no ass! Bye!
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CamelToePokema
03-25-19, 20:58
I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US. I initially tried going to the discos on walking st. In Insomnia, most of the girls turned their back to me when I approached them. This was shocking to me, but I did sense a pattern that the Indian crowd here does not have a good reputation with the girls and I'm trying to figure out a way to overcome that. I ended up going to Nashaa and a couple of other Indian clubs on walking st, thinking that the girls would be willing to give Indians a shot. The girls in these clubs quoted high numbers like THB 5000-8000 or I could not approach the girls due to the huge crowd for every girl, so I skipped these and decided to try beach road.
I picked up a girl from beach road for THB 2000 and took her to my hotel. She wanted half the money upfront and even though I know this is a bad idea, I gave her THB 1000 as I was not thinking clearly. She then started laying out too many rules, no DFK, no licking tits, no touching pussy etc, so I asked her to leave as I knew that this was not going to be an enjoyable experience.
The next day, I tried the discos yet again but ran into the same problems described earlier, so decided to try my luck again on beach road. I picked up a girl and took her back to my place. I spent a good amount of time talking with her and trying to connect with humor etc When we did get down to the business, it was just mediocre and nothing to write home about. I was just glad to have gotten laid in Pattaya. We got some sleep and again had a mediocre romp in the morning. I paid her THB 2000 for her time, but overall it was sub par for my expectations I had from Pattaya.
I created an account on TF and tried the online approach. I was getting responses until they asked me for my picture. When I sent the picture, all communication ceased. So I'm hitting a wall here.
I'm a friendly guy and made a few acquaintances at the hotel where I stay. They told me to check out a bar named Benelux. So 2 days ago I go there and talk to a nice looking girl and chat her up. She is hesitant to go and she tells me that she needs to think about it and that I should try her tomorrow. I'm convinced this has to do with my Indian origin, so I don't pressure her and continue talking with her for another 10 minutes to manage to convince her to join me for the night. The bar fine was THB 500 and she agreed for THB 1500. I had a good time with her and she was enjoying it too as she was very wet. We got some sleep and had another go at it in the morning. She was very sweet and even got me some cough drops from the nearby store before she left as I was having a mild cough.
So now things were looking up and I was starting to feel optimistic. Today I went to action bar (along with another guy from Sweden who stays at the same hotel as me) and talked up a girl who I fancied. She quoted me THB 5000 for long time. My new Swedish friend agreed with me that this was too high and to not inflate the prices. So I walked away. I went back to Benelux bar. I talked to one of the girls and she said that she was not available for long time. I tried another girl, but got the same response. These girls are standing outside the bar and screaming at passing customers to drum up business. Yet, they don't want to meet with a Indian guy. I've heard horror stories about Indians behaving horribly with the girls, so I don't blame them.
I'm also trying to deal with this conundrum and it's depressing to think that I'm having a hard time getting laid in Pattaya. Any pointers, suggestions to help me get a GFE experience would be welcome.
NewbExcited
03-26-19, 03:02
I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US. I initially tried going to the discos on walking st. In Insomnia, most of the girls turned their back to me when I approached them. This was shocking to me, but I did sense a pattern that the Indian crowd here does not have a good reputation with the girls and I'm trying to figure out a way to overcome that. I ended up going to Nashaa and a couple of other Indian clubs on walking st, thinking that the girls would be willing to give Indians a shot. The girls in these clubs quoted high numbers like THB 5000-8000 or I could not approach the girls due to the huge crowd for every girl, so I skipped these and decided to try beach road.
I picked up a girl from beach road for THB 2000 and took her to my hotel. She wanted half the money upfront and even though I know this is a bad idea, I gave her THB 1000 as I was not thinking clearly. She then started laying out too many rules, no DFK, no licking tits, no touching pussy etc, so I asked her to leave as I knew that this was not going to be an enjoyable experience..I am of Indian origin as well. I never had a problem finding a girl when I visited Bangkok and Patayya. Reading your post makes me wonder why you seem to have such a hard time. What you said about Indians may be partially true but it definitely isn't as bad as you made it sound. Wish you better luck.
I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US. I initially tried going to the discos on walking st. In Insomnia, most of the girls turned their back to me when I approached them. This was shocking to me, but I did sense a pattern that the Indian crowd here does not have a good reputation with the girls and I'm trying to figure out a way to overcome that. I ended up going to Nashaa and a couple of other Indian clubs on walking st, thinking that the girls would be willing to give Indians a shot. The girls in these clubs quoted high numbers like THB 5000-8000 or I could not approach the girls due to the huge crowd for every girl, so I skipped these and decided to try beach road.
I picked up a girl from beach road for THB 2000 and took her to my hotel. She wanted half the money upfront and even though I know this is a bad idea, I gave her THB 1000 as I was not thinking clearly. She then started laying out too many rules, no DFK, no licking tits, no touching pussy etc, so I asked her to leave as I knew that this was not going to be an enjoyable experience.
The next day, I tried the discos yet again but ran into the same problems described earlier, so decided to try my luck again on beach road. I picked up a girl and took her back to my place. I spent a good amount of time talking with her and trying to connect with humor etc When we did get down to the business, it was just mediocre and nothing to write home about. I was just glad to have gotten laid in Pattaya. We got some sleep and again had a mediocre romp in the morning. I paid her THB 2000 for her time, but overall it was sub par for my expectations I had from Pattaya..Wish I could give good advise. You may have to give soapies a try as the ladies there are consistent. Probably should stop going after LT too and just stick to ST. Maybe try Soi 6 and doing ST there. The bar girl from Benelux sounds good, so it'd be worth repeating every few days.
I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US. I initially tried going to the discos on walking st. In Insomnia, most of the girls turned their back to me when I approached them. This was shocking to me, but I did sense a pattern that the Indian crowd here does not have a good reputation with the girls and I'm trying to figure out a way to overcome that. I ended up going to Nashaa and a couple of other Indian clubs on walking st, thinking that the girls would be willing to give Indians a shot. The girls in these clubs quoted high numbers like THB 5000-8000 or I could not approach the girls due to the huge crowd for every girl, so I skipped these and decided to try beach road.
I picked up a girl from beach road for THB 2000 and took her to my hotel. She wanted half the money upfront and even though I know this is a bad idea, I gave her THB 1000 as I was not thinking clearly. She then started laying out too many rules, no DFK, no licking tits, no touching pussy etc, so I asked her to leave as I knew that this was not going to be an enjoyable experience.
The next day, I tried the discos yet again but ran into the same problems described earlier, so decided to try my luck again on beach road. I picked up a girl and took her back to my place. I spent a good amount of time talking with her and trying to connect with humor etc When we did get down to the business, it was just mediocre and nothing to write home about. I was just glad to have gotten laid in Pattaya. We got some sleep and again had a mediocre romp in the morning. I paid her THB 2000 for her time, but overall it was sub par for my expectations I had from Pattaya..Take a couple of pics and post on your TF profile. So you will get reply from girls who are interested in you. Put into your intro that you are living in US and visiting Pattaya for holidays and this will set you apart from typical Indian crowed. In gogo I would just talk to mamasan and may be even buy HER a drink. This will show her you are a bit different from rest and willing to spend money, which is all they care. And if she believes you have deep enough pockets, she will maker her best girls available for you. And when she makes a girl available for you just be a normal dude. Establish that she is interested I'm being bar fined. Talk to her, buy her a couple of LD and I think you should be OK.
How long you planning to stay in Pattaya? I am landing in bkk on 28th Mar. And will be in Pattaya 4-5 days after. We can team upvif you are interested. Best of luck.
Bdonkadonk
03-26-19, 07:12
I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot ....Maybe some guy from India will have some good advice for you. I can at least try to help a little and I hope that I can give some small but maybe useful advice to you. It seems like you are starting right off with asking for long time with the girls but I would rather try to start with asking for short time and more girls will go short time rather than long time. If you try a girl ST you can see how things are going with her and then you can ask if she want to go LT with you, either to prolong the session or for another day.
I mean, if you being indian makes the girls feel reluctant to go with you, they can be convinced that you are a good and nice guy from a first short encounter and then be more wiling to go with you for a longer time. Personally I myself love Soi 6 and there is so easy to get laid. My advise would be the same: try a nice girl ST and if you are klicking with her you can ask if she want to go LT with you. There are many girls there that do that and especially towards the ending of their working shift. Bars will lower the barfine also towards the end of the night.
I am of Indian origin as well. I never had a problem finding a girl when I visited Bangkok and Patayya. Reading your post makes me wonder why you seem to have such a hard time. What you said about Indians may be partially true but it definitely isn't as bad as you made it sound. Wish you better luck.Perhaps it's how you look, dress, hygiene, or carry yourself. You may be going after girls out of your league. There is something for everyone. Just lower your standards a bit. And remember, in the end, it's really they choose you. Not you choose them. That's why there are excuses. As for your pics, you should edit them with those apps that photoshop to make yourself attractive. It's commonly done.
I'm also trying to deal with this conundrum and it's depressing to think that I'm having a hard time getting laid in Pattaya. Any pointers, suggestions to help me get a GFE experience would be welcome.Hey bud, I was in Pattaya in Feb for a week and kicked it with some decent chicks. Wanted to private message you and send you some Line ID's but you can't receive private messages. If you're keen, turn on private messaging under your settings tab, and I'll hook you up.
Surely you jest sir! I think you are trolling here! I have never heard such a pathetic story in my life and I have met some losers. To prove me wrong meet with a fellow board member.
Blanquiceleste
03-27-19, 01:08
Just lower your standards a bit. And remember, in the end, it's really they choose you. Not you choose them. That's why there are excuses. Worst advice I have ever come across on this thread.
We are talking hookers in Thailand here, not Jennifer Lawrence.
Hey bud, I was in Pattaya in Feb for a week and kicked it with some decent chicks. Wanted to private message you and send you some Line ID's but you can't receive private messages. If you're keen, turn on private messaging under your settings tab, and I'll hook you up.I am heading there over next weekend onwards. Can you please send some. PM on. Thanks.
Banana Boi
03-27-19, 02:57
in the end, it's really they choose you. Not you choose them. That's why there are excuses. Are you implying if there is a 9 on stage at a gogo bar who does not look or smile at you that you are supposed to ignore her for the 5 who doesn't stop smiling or take their eyes off you?
Biggest mistake I see in Pattaya are guys who think a girl is beautiful but don't call her for a lady drink because she's not smiling at him.
Are you implying if there is a 9 on stage at a gogo bar who does not look or smile at you that you are supposed to ignore her for the 5 who doesn't stop smiling or take their eyes off you?
Biggest mistake I see in Pattaya are guys who think a girl is beautiful but don't call her for a lady drink because she's not smiling at him.I agree to this in general as don't have typical gogo experience but having experience of general Asian establishment, most of the time it is easier to ask mamamsan. In Perth had an experience with a pretty pino girl who had a reputation of hit and miss, spoke to mamasan and the service I got was nothing short of amazing. These girls can't refuse their mamasan, so once she gets involved service improves dramatically.
Perhaps it's how you look, dress, hygiene, or carry yourself. You may be going after girls out of your league. There is something for everyone. Just lower your standards a bit. And remember, in the end, it's really they choose you. Not you choose them. That's why there are excuses. As for your pics, you should edit them with those apps that photoshop to make yourself attractive. It's commonly done.
Worst advice I have ever come across on this thread.
We are talking hookers in Thailand here, not Jennifer Lawrence.
Are you implying if there is a 9 on stage at a gogo bar who does not look or smile at you that you are supposed to ignore her for the 5 who doesn't stop smiling or take their eyes off you?
Biggest mistake I see in Pattaya are guys who think a girl is beautiful but don't call her for a lady drink because she's not smiling at him.I think that can depend on the realities regarding ethnic bias and possibly age bias in the country you're mongering in and/or the monger's sexual needs and requirements.
If you are of a more acceptable ethnic origin for the country you're in and only require the most basic level of service, i.e. covered FS but no BBBJ+CIM, no DFK and little of anything else required, then you might as well go for the best looking girl in the joint and negotiate for price only. You'll probably do ok quite often.
That probably goes for many Indians in Thailand, too. Even then, I have lived in Bangkok near Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy for over 6 years, spent many days and nights in Pattaya and I have yet to see an Indian man of any age, level of fitness and attractiveness walking hand in hand with a Thai go-go bar "9" or just walking side-by-side in such a way that it was clear they were on their way to enjoy a ST session at a hotel or apartment. Maybe not even seen one with a strong Thai go-go bar "7.5" or better. I HEAR of it happening. But have not seen it with my own eyes. And I am out and about in the go-go bar areas virtually every day and night. I have seen Indian men with very attractive Indian women. Not seen them with very attractive Thai women.
By the same token, I am not Indian. I am a 65 year old Caucasian. But I require either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM to make any go-go bargirl expenditure worth it to me. Otherwise, I will be spending 4000+ baht to engage in DATY and perhaps some pointless BBBJ as oral foreplay. Not a good idea, imo. I can not engage in sexual pleasure of any kind wearing a condom, will never finish that way.
Therefore, if I routinely focused on or approached Thai go-go bar "9"s or let's say the best looking girls in the joint who are aloof and don't even look my way with a smile, I assure you I will be spending a lot of time with extremely boring conversation, maybe even occasionally creating a rollicking good time for the girl, buying tons of Lady Drinks but ultimately hearing a lot of "NO" to both or either of my sexual requirements in the bar if I am lucky or in the room where it will have cost me a bunch more money to hear it.
Been there, done that enough times in the past and I still give it a go every now and then just to see if there are any changes in the results. There are only the most extraordinarily rare changes in the results. Too rare to even count it as anything but wild random chance. And a very expensive chance to take. If the "9" happens to be beaming a big smile at me as I walk into the bar and take a seat, then we might be talking about a real shot at getting what I need for the money.
I believe both challenges mentioned above, ethnic and sexual demands, require compromises to be made. More and greater compromises than an ethnically acceptable monger with basic, standard demands would ever have to make, imo.
Franciscass
03-27-19, 07:41
I'm also trying to deal with this conundrum and it's depressing to think that I'm having a hard time getting laid in Pattaya. Any pointers, suggestions to help me get a GFE experience would be welcome.I don't believe Thai girls have an inherent racist bias against any nationality but they have concerns based on perceived and let's be honest too often proven correct bad behavioral patterns.
Thai girls who are biased against South Asians have in my opinion three reasons for being so.
Hygiene. Get a good cologne and dress well.
Cheap and perhaps problem with getting paid.. It's not ideal but you may have to offer upfront payment but be as sure as you can that she knows and agrees to what you expect. Also early in the visit to the bar tip the mamasan and buy some drinks.
Difficult customer. Again agree in some detail what you expect in terms of how long she will spend with you and what services you want. Reinforce that you are a good customer. A smile, a sense of humor and a laid back chilled vibe will not go unnoticed.
When these fears are allayed getting laid should be no more difficult for you than anybody else and it will be only a question whether you can attract the attention of the girl you want to spend time with. Here money will not always but usually be key.
Perhaps it's how you look, dress, hygiene, or carry yourself. You may be going after girls out of your league. There is something for everyone. Just lower your standards a bit. And remember, in the end, it's really they choose you. Not you choose them. That's why there are excuses. As for your pics, you should edit them with those apps that photoshop to make yourself attractive. It's commonly done.Every time the topics on Indians in Thailand comes out there's someone to advice them to be clean and put clean clothes on. I guess they already figured it out by themselves before coming and asking advises to random guys on the internet.
I'm pretty sure that the problem is mostly on the punter's attitude rather than the Thai girls not wanting to deal with them. And a big majority of these girls are real trash and they can act like that with any kind of guys, not only with Indians.
I've personally met a lot of attractive girls that had a lot of Indian males in their contact, we read a lot of stories of Indian guys having a very good time over there, so this topic of Indian guys being victim of a big discrimination by Thai people is completely wrong in my opinion (except from some gogo's or bars doormen but I would mostly say that it's done on an economical purpose or from a bad attitude from some customers from these countries before).
In a place like Pattaya we can all meet a lot of people that act or talk inappropriately with us without having to call it discrimination, it's just that the place attracts a lot of *ssh*les, be it Thai or from any origins.
The place you try to interact with them is important, in my experience discos in Pattaya are not a good place to find a girl for a fuck unless you know how to deal with these freelancers but it's not given to every punters.
The best bet in Pattaya for a guy who just want to fuck girls is still soi 6, just go and have a drink in one of the biggest bars without trying to spot the most beautiful girl of the soi, if you see a cute girl there pay her a drink and interract naturally with her, if she doesn't want to go with you just try your luck with another girl or move to another bar and try again. If anyone really want to fuck, it's almost impossible for a new comer to not find a girl there.
If bars are not your thing, then go to gogos, preferably on soi LK than walking street for a new comer.
The most important in any interaction with these girls is your attitude and to be willing to spend at least the going rate.
Good luck.
CamelToePokema
03-27-19, 09:06
I am of Indian origin as well. I never had a problem finding a girl when I visited Bangkok and Patayya. Reading your post makes me wonder why you seem to have such a hard time. What you said about Indians may be partially true but it definitely isn't as bad as you made it sound. Wish you better luck.Your response gives me hope. I was talking about this with a couple of people who stay at the same hotel as me. One of these had accompanied me to the bar and he mentioned that it might be a good idea to buy the girls a drink even if I only drink Coke / Pepsi. They said that spending money on LD might help to get the girl agree to go with me for LT session. I'll be trying this out in the next few days and will post back.
Are you implying if there is a 9 on stage at a gogo bar who does not look or smile at you that you are supposed to ignore her for the 5 who doesn't stop smiling or take their eyes off you?
Biggest mistake I see in Pattaya are guys who think a girl is beautiful but don't call her for a lady drink because she's not smiling at him.Not everyone wants to go with the most beautiful girl in the place.
In my first years in Thailand I often fell for the very attractive ones (in discos), and almost always been disappointed ones in the room. Sometimes the disappointment was from her attitude but most of the time it was from her body, baby damages that were hidden or overused pussies.
Nowadays I would give priority to a cute girl than the one that every guys think is pretty.
CamelToePokema
03-27-19, 09:17
Wish I could give good advise. You may have to give soapies a try as the ladies there are consistent. Probably should stop going after LT too and just stick to ST. Maybe try Soi 6 and doing ST there. The bar girl from Benelux sounds good, so it'd be worth repeating every few days.I'm trying to not let my disappointment frustrate me. So yesterday I decided that if I'm unable to pick up a girl at a bar, I would just go to a MP and release the tension. So I did go to a MP yesterday on the same street as Benelux but a little further down. They charged me 500 for an hour massage and 500 for a HJ. The massage was just for namesake and got a HJ towards the end. I was talking with the girl and after the massage was done, I suggested that I could give her a massage too. She agreed and I actually gave a decent massage for her shoulders, back, legs and feet. She was happy with the massage and was joking that she should pay me for the massage.
CamelToePokema
03-27-19, 09:26
Surely you jest sir! I think you are trolling here! I have never heard such a pathetic story in my life and I have met some losers. To prove me wrong meet with a fellow board member.I understand how ridiculous this sounds and why you might have a hard time believing it. The people who stay at the same place have witnessed my plight and have tried to give me pointers to help me out. I'm definitely not a loser or a troll by any stretch of the imagination. In fact I'm quite pleasant to hang out with.
CamelToePokema
03-27-19, 09:35
Take a couple of pics and post on your TF profile. So you will get reply from girls who are interested in you. Put into your intro that you are living in US and visiting Pattaya for holidays and this will set you apart from typical Indian crowed. In gogo I would just talk to mamasan and may be even buy HER a drink. This will show her you are a bit different from rest and willing to spend money, which is all they care. And if she believes you have deep enough pockets, she will maker her best girls available for you. And when she makes a girl available for you just be a normal dude. Establish that she is interested I'm being bar fined. Talk to her, buy her a couple of LD and I think you should be OK.
How long you planning to stay in Pattaya? I am landing in bkk on 28th Mar. And will be in Pattaya 4-5 days after. We can team upvif you are interested. Best of luck.I have an account with TF and have been trying that route. I didn't put up my pics since I would like to not have my pics out on the web due to privacy reasons. I haven't tried the go-go's yet. I'm assuming they are different from the bars? I'll try your suggestion and will buy the mamasan a LD and also buy the lady a few LD's if she is interested in being bar fined. I will post a review after that. I'm in pattaya till April 14, so if it's possible to team up that would be great. I don't have PM since I only have US credit cards.
HorseTrader
03-27-19, 13:03
Are you implying if there is a 9 on stage at a gogo bar who does not look or smile at you that you are supposed to ignore her for the 5 who doesn't stop smiling or take their eyes off you?
Biggest mistake I see in Pattaya are guys who think a girl is beautiful but don't call her for a lady drink because she's not smiling at him.I've gone with both the 9 who doesn't seem to like me and the 5 who does (and a few 4's). More typically I wander from bar to bar until I find a 7+ who does seem to like me, then I buy the lady drink.
I've consistently had a better time with girls that seem to like me than the hotter girls who seem indifferent. I'm a farang in mid 60's.
Maybe not even seen one with a strong Thai go-go bar "7.5" or better. I HEAR of it happening. But have not seen it with my own eyes. I have seen Indian men with very attractive Indian women. Not seen them with very attractive Thai women.
Ha! Uncle Tooms, it seems I need to let you know when I'm in BKK next time. Bring a decent camera with, so you can take a few snaps when I stroll passed with a 9+ LOL. Seriously though, I get what you're saying and in general that seems to be the case. Didn't notice Much of that on my trip either. However I did see an Indian chap with a beautiful 8 Russian girl in Pattaya, and another Indian chap with a very cute 8 Thai girl at a 7/11 in Pattaya also, nothing of the sort in BKK, but then again I didn't hit the Gogos or Clubs in BKK.
Now I'm also of Indian descent albeit from Africa, so just want to give other Indian punters a bit of comfort in knowing that they can pull just about any girl if they got some game. Personally I had zero discrimination from the ladies, aside from the Thermae 'Asian Only' fan club, but ended up cracking some of them too.
Attached are some of the girls I met and remain in contact with. They may not be 6's, 7's or 8's in everyone's eyes, but some are definitely in mine. Yeah, their faces aren't blurred out, but these aren't sexually compromising photos.
Every time the topics on Indians in Thailand comes out there's someone to advice them to be clean and put clean clothes on. I guess they already figured it out by themselves before coming and asking advises to random guys on the internet.You are correct. I was recently in Thailand for 2 weeks visiting usual places. Found it to be great place for mongering. Didn't face any issues of racial bias by girls. Rather I was aghast at the brazen attitude of cheapness shown by my fellow countrymen.
In a gogo place in Phuket, I saw my fellow countrymen coming inside surveying he girls. Instead of buying any drinks for girls, they want to touch the girls. The girl who was with me told me 'you are not like others. ' The girl didn't reject my advances. And I am not even in top 20% of Indians from fitness POV.
It is the same story in Pattaya also. I used app to catch some early bird before venturing into WS and girls responded in kind. Obviously the girls in this profession understand the language of money. However, in WS I found some doormen to be obnoxious. In Fahrenheit, the doorman allowed me inside first night without asking any question. Second night, the same doorman was in and mood to let me in. I had to call the girl whom I barfined previous night to get entry. Once inside I complained immediately to the Mamasan. She said sorry, won't happen to you again. Perhaps the doorman didn't recognise me from previous night, but it happened. In second case, another doorman didn't allow me inside Imagine. He flatly refused saying 'No Indian'. These are the only two cases of anti-Indian bias I faced.
I have similar friendly experiences in Bangkok also. One Mamasan in a Nana Plaza bar was hell bent on forcing me to barfine a girl. Didn't understand what happened there.
Also I found some guys are writing about not seeing 9 Indian with 9 Gogo girl. I found the claim ludicrous. I saw plenty of 9's with Indian of all standards. I saw CIS girls, I saw blacks also. In fact I was with a black in Phuket.
Banana Boi
03-27-19, 22:37
Siamsin, a certain board member disagreed with me when I said I knew Indians capable of getting top girls. A couple of months ago I saw another example of an Indian guy I know picking up who I think is one of the top 5 girls at Palace.
I really like these 2 girls, especially the busty one. Looks like a girl I know at one of the Thai PR bars. Far better than what I see most guys are capable of barfining. Good job.
Trumpers may jump, but this is what it is.
Most big city bred boys from India no longer visit places like Pattaya, AC and such. They either finished those in 90's, or it doesn't fancy them. They prefer more upscale places like SG, HK, Macau, European cities like Prague, Vienna, Barcelona etc. , because many Indians today can easily afford spending upwards of USD $ 1000 a day during their week outing abroad. Also Indians do not travel solo for pleasure, even with families. You would rarely see a single family with 2 kids, rarely. Its usually with friends or sibling families / cousins They mostly travel in minimum 3's /4's or more. That's a cultural thing. This travelling in groups is not most suited for mongering, as we all know. Go to higher end bars and clubs in Macau, HK, SG, DXB and even in BKK, so many Indian men play their PU game you wouldn't even know they are Indians.
Most Indians you see in Beach road, WS etc are boys from smaller cities and towns or rich rural farmers. Out to spend a buck or thousand. The type from western countries many of who have never stepped out of their countries, and who may not even be able to place Thailand geographically on earth. Its good these Indian boys from smaller towns and villages are travelling, unlike their western counterparts. You would rarely see an Indian monger who is guilt free and very happy that he is taking a business lady home for a romp. He is on the lookout always who is watching him. That issue many of you don't have.
Most western mongers one sees on the streets of Thailand, including BKK, are 50+, out of shape, fat geezers. Don't get me wrong, not all but majority of them. I know many of you western regulars here will jump and squash me, but that's the truth. They also have their savings and pension benefits and usually no immediate family which doesn't need that money. Being white, moneyed and unencumbered, even if the guy is older than her grand pop, is an ideal demography for a poor Isan farmer girl who has only seen brown skinned men exploit her all her life. Why will she again be seen with one in Pattaya. She is happy with a white walrus. Most of south and south east asia still has a white skin hangover from colonial days. But you are beginning to see the changes. You would rarely see a 50+ single Indian man on the streets of Pattaya, walking alone, looking for a 19 or 20 year old girl. Never.
For reasons above, you would rarely see a "sophisticated" Indian walk hand in hand with an 8 or 8+.
If siamsin hadn't declared that he is Indian origin in his earlier post, but if he had done that after all his enticing reports and pics, I am sure many of you board regulars would have been super shocked. There exists plenty superiority complex and a feeling of entitlement by many in here. Also see frequent bashups on Chinese, Koreans and Japs. Whether its 3 x3 x3 comments, huddle and block or if a Jap pays extra over and beyond to get into a pussy, jst like you would pay for backdoor, they come in tour buses wearing logo hats, eat kimchi, being loud, smelly or whatever, that's them. That's how they are. Just like the way you are. Deal with it or live with it. Shed those biases.
P.S: I have traveled 73 countries and pinned 84 flags on my johnny. I can take feedback and criticism with a smile.
Blanquiceleste
03-28-19, 01:12
Ha! Uncle Tooms, it seems I need to let you know when I'm in BKK next time. Bring a decent camera with, so you can take a few snaps when I stroll passed with a 9+ LOL. Seriously though, I get what you're saying and in general that seems to be the case. Didn't notice Much of that on my trip either. However I did see an Indian chap with a beautiful 8 Russian girl in Pattaya, and another Indian chap with a very cute 8 Thai girl at a 7/11 in Pattaya also, nothing of the sort in BKK, but then again I didn't hit the Gogos or Clubs in BKK.
Now I'm also of Indian descent albeit from Africa, so just want to give other Indian punters a bit of comfort in knowing that they can pull just about any girl if they got some game. Personally I had zero discrimination from the ladies, aside from the Thermae 'Asian Only' fan club, but ended up cracking some of them too.
Attached are some of the girls I met and remain in contact with. They may not be 6's, 7's or 8's in everyone's eyes, but some are definitely in mine. Yeah, their faces aren't blurred out, but these aren't sexually compromising photos.Dude you should save your breath and bytes. The naysayers here will tell you that anyone can pick a few photos off the internet and post them here as "my girls". And then go on to write a long story about themselves and their own fetishes and fantasies.
OTOH more power to you, you have done exceedingly well, I like all the pics you have shared.
I'm trying to not let my disappointment frustrate me. So yesterday I decided that if I'm unable to pick up a girl at a bar, I would just go to a MP and release the tension. So I did go to a MP yesterday on the same street as Benelux but a little further down. They charged me 500 for an hour massage and 500 for a HJ. The massage was just for namesake and got a HJ towards the end. I was talking with the girl and after the massage was done, I suggested that I could give her a massage too. She agreed and I actually gave a decent massage for her shoulders, back, legs and feet. She was happy with the massage and was joking that she should pay me for the massage.Probably the best thing you could have done as everyone goes through dry spells and the girls can smell desperation from miles away. Get the first few shots out of the way, calm down and get on with enjoying the place.
Enjoy. G.
Ha! Uncle Tooms, it seems I need to let you know when I'm in BKK next time. Bring a decent camera with, so you can take a few snaps when I stroll passed with a 9+ LOL. Seriously though, I get what you're saying and in general that seems to be the case. Didn't notice Much of that on my trip either. However I did see an Indian chap with a beautiful 8 Russian girl in Pattaya, and another Indian chap with a very cute 8 Thai girl at a 7/11 in Pattaya also, nothing of the sort in BKK, but then again I didn't hit the Gogos or Clubs in BKK.
Now I'm also of Indian descent albeit from Africa, so just want to give other Indian punters a bit of comfort in knowing that they can pull just about any girl if they got some game. Personally I had zero discrimination from the ladies, aside from the Thermae 'Asian Only' fan club, but ended up cracking some of them too.
Attached are some of the girls I met and remain in contact with. They may not be 6's, 7's or 8's in everyone's eyes, but some are definitely in mine. Yeah, their faces aren't blurred out, but these aren't sexually compromising photos.Siamisin, I appreciate you agreeing with me on one of my two major points. You didn't notice much of what I had not noticed either, right? And I imagine you might be paying more attention to that kind of thing than I am generally. Of course, one factor I can't assess in your particular case with regard to your success in being seen walking around with "9+" Thai P4P girls or any of the girls in your photos is, if I saw you in person, would I even take you to be an Indian walking past me with your girl? LOL.
I have seen your photos with your face blurred out and blocked so it is not something I can judge merely from the portions of your body I have seen in the shots. Your skin appears to be rather light. You have mentioned several times that there is some element of "spin" on your Indian ethnicity that suggests many people might not think you are Indian. Or maybe I misunderstood that? Naturally, such a factor would not apply to the point I made. If most Thai girls would not automatically and immediately take you to be an Indian man on meeting you then your experience and my observation of it would be radically different and largely irrelevant to the point I made.
And what I see in making my rounds would have nothing to do with the girls someone meets in a massage shop or escorts arriving at a hotel room or girls who take their customers upstairs in a BJ Bar or other similar venue. I can only talk about what I see outside, walking around the red light districts.
But on my second point, that is something no one can assess by just looking around. However, I can assure everyone that if your restrictions are a P4P session must include either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM to even begin to be worth paying money for, then you've got a very heavy lift ahead of you in Thailand if at the same time you'll be hitting up all the best looking girls in any joint. And you don't have to be obviously Indian to have big challenges ahead of you on that count. I am Caucasian (however, 65 years old, which likely is a factor as well) with that kind of restriction and there is no way I would spend much of my time and money trying to win over the bargirl "9s" or the best lookers in a bar rather than make the logical compromises.
On both points, and you appear to be agreeing with me on the ethnicity one, simply suggesting, "Hey, go for the "9s" or the hottest girls in the bar, don't make the mistake I see being made all the time, the only problem is in your mind, I see successes happening all around", is totally unrealistic based on what is easily observable to you and me, imo.
I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US.Try Devils Den. They have both in-call and outcall options. The deeper end of the pool, but DD has a non-descrimonation policy posted on their website.
From the Devils Den FAQ page:
Q. I'm Indian / African / Middle Eastern, many Pattaya establishments will not even allow me in the door- what is your policy?
A. We welcome well mannered, educated gentlemen of all races, colors and creeds. Anyone who treats our ladies with courtesy and respect is our guest, anyone. Regardless of where they are from, who behaves otherwise will be asked to leave.
SL.
Cheap and perhaps problem with getting paid.. It's not ideal but you may have to offer upfront payment but be as sure as you can that she knows and agrees to what you expect. Also early in the visit to the bar tip the mamasan and buy some drinks.Disagree here. Never pay upfront otherwise that will set a bad precedent. Better to offer an extra 200 to 500 baht if things go better. Paying upfront gives her too much leverage in a situation where the punter is already leary about receiving good service. Inflating the price, while not a good option either, will at least be the lesser of 2 evils.
Franciscass
03-29-19, 04:01
Disagree here. Never pay upfront otherwise that will set a bad precedent. Better to offer an extra 200 to 500 baht if things go better. Paying upfront gives her too much leverage in a situation where the punter is already leary about receiving good service. Inflating the price, while not a good option either, will at least be the lesser of 2 evils.Totally agree in principle but this member seems to be having a hard time getting laid. I suggest using an offer of upfront payment as a last resort on the off chance she is happy to go with him but her concern is getting paid.
It should be mentioned that paying upfront is becoming more and more the norm in the P4 P scene whether escorts soapies or oilies. With FL'S and Go Go hook ups it's still by and large after the session but I also see this changing over time.
There is an ongoing conversation whether upfront results in inferior service. From personal experience I would yes but only marginally so.
I have an account with TF and have been trying that route. I didn't put up my pics since I would like to not have my pics out on the web due to privacy reasons. I haven't tried the go-go's yet. I'm assuming they are different from the bars? I'll try your suggestion and will buy the mamasan a LD and also buy the lady a few LD's if she is interested in being bar fined. I will post a review after that. I'm in pattaya till April 14, so if it's possible to team up that would be great. I don't have PM since I only have US credit cards.Have you tried visiting some of your countrymen in the numerous Indian restaurants in Pattaya? Just walk south along Beach Rd or Second Road towards Walking Street. I'm sure some guys there can give you accurate info.
The number one reason that girls have given me for (supposedly) not going with Indians is that they have gone home with one Monger, only to find 4 of his friends in the room expecting their turn and for no extra tip. You may want to try her recommended ST hotel until you can build up a trustworthy reputation.
Good luck. G.
Mr Enternational
03-29-19, 05:32
The number one reason that girls have given me for (supposedly) not going with Indians is that they have gone home with one Monger, only to find 4 of his friends in the room expecting their turn and for no extra tip. You may want to try her recommended ST hotel until you can build up a trustworthy reputation.There are tons of chicks in those Indian discos on Walking Street. When the clubs close the street is flooded with Indian guys leaving with the girls. I don't see how this dude is having a hard time getting laid.
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Most western mongers one sees on the streets of Thailand, including BKK, are 50+, out of shape, fat geezers. Don't get me wrong, not all but majority of them. I know many of you western regulars here will jump and squash me, but that's the truth. They also have their savings and pension benefits and usually no immediate family which doesn't need that money. Being white, moneyed and unencumbered, even if the guy is older than her grand pop, is an ideal demography for a poor Isan farmer girl who has only seen brown skinned men exploit her all her life. Why will she again be seen with one in Pattaya. She is happy with a white walrus. Most of south and south east asia still has a white skin hangover from colonial days. But you are beginning to see the changes.
...Sure looks that way to me, too. I will often mention my age and race on this board (65 year old Caucasian) when I relate an experience because in SEA and particularly Thailand, those are often pertinent factors. But, just as some Indian men might not automatically and immediately appear to be Indian to the girls compared to what they have generally encountered, some of us Caucasian geezers don't exactly fit the profile, either. The description I have mentioned in the past but rarely do anymore is that my weight is proportionate to my height (79 kg, 178 cm tall), 32"/81 cm waist, still have most of my hair, have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50. So I recognize that what I experience out there in the bars or online might be very different from what the men of my same age and ethnic origin, the majority of whom I see passing through the red light districts fitting your description of us above, experience. And, BTW, the results are not necessarily better for me than for them. Not by a long shot.
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Most Indians you see in Beach road, WS etc are boys from smaller cities and towns or rich rural farmers. Out to spend a buck or thousand. The type from western countries many of who have never stepped out of their countries, and who may not even be able to place Thailand geographically on earth. Its good these Indian boys from smaller towns and villages are travelling, unlike their western counterparts. You would rarely see an Indian monger who is guilt free and very happy that he is taking a business lady home for a romp. He is on the lookout always who is watching him. That issue many of you don't have.
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You would rarely see a 50+ single Indian man on the streets of Pattaya, walking alone, looking for a 19 or 20 year old girl. Never.
For reasons above, you would rarely see a "sophisticated" Indian walk hand in hand with an 8 or 8+.
...ArisCasa, a certain board member has repeatedly stated he knows many Indian men who regularly barfine and step out for ST/LT sessions with damned hot Thai girls, that one can hardly approach popular Pattaya Walking Street go-go bars without bumping into several Indian men emerging from them hand-in-hand with the top girls from those bars, practically all of them easily being 8's, 9's and 10's.
So it is bewildering why three of us in fairly rapid succession have now agreed that we either did not see "Much" of it in Pattaya, rarely see it or cannot recall seeing it even once. Maybe we three should get our vision checked ASAP.
Banana Boi
03-29-19, 07:48
have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50.I hope you realize that girls say what you want to hear. Sorry but I have never met a guy who is 65 and looks 50. I have girls tell me I look 25 to 30 max and I know I don't look that age. Syzy has been told by girls he looks 35. So if a girl says you look 50 sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you're old in their eyes. Remember most Thai men die of old age in their 50s.
You touched on one point that was accurate. You said some Indian men do not look Indian at first glance. The Indian guys I know pulling the hot girls do not look stereotypical Indian, are light skinned, and have no Indian accent.
Franciscass
03-29-19, 07:51
So it is bewildering why three of us in fairly rapid succession have now agreed that we either did not see "Much" of it in Pattaya, rarely see it or cannot recall seeing it even once. Maybe we three should get our vision checked ASAP.Make that 4.
I hope you realize that girls say what you want to hear. Sorry but I have never met a guy who is 65 and looks 50. I have girls tell me I look 25 to 30 max and I know I don't look that age. Syzy has been told by girls he looks 35. So if a girl says you look 50 sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you're old in their eyes. Remember most Thai men die of old age in their 50s.Of course, I realize that. That is why I said, "I have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50" instead of the way you mis-characterized what I said.
Keeping ones weight under control definitely helps you to look younger in the eyes of most people, I would say. Just being normal weight rather than obese is bound to shave a good ten years off a middle aged or older man.
Banana Boi
03-29-19, 08:05
Of course, I realize that. That is why I said, "I have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50" instead of the way you mis-characterized it.Sorry my misunderstanding.
Sorry my misunderstanding.No problem. I am certainly assumed by fellow Americans to be as old as 52-53 often enough. I see that as "about 50". And some of us are benefited by the fact that most men the girls meet fudge on their age anyway. So if the girls are used to 70 year old western men telling them they are 60, it is natural for the girls to think that is what a "60 year old" western man looks like. LOL. So maybe that accounts for at least some of the amazement they express when I tell them my true age instead.
Crocodilexp
03-29-19, 08:19
I picked up a girl from beach road for THB 2000 and took her to my hotel. She wanted half the money upfront and even though I know this is a bad idea, I gave her THB 1000 as I was not thinking clearly. She then started laying out too many rules, no DFK, no licking tits, no touching pussy etc, so I asked her to leave as I knew that this was not going to be an enjoyable experience.
That's more than double the going rate for Beach Road, you should be able to get 700 to 1000 baht tops. Even 500 is possible with some of the girls.
One thing with Indians is that they have a reputation for haggling, so the girls quote a high price upfront with the expectation that they'll have to go down. If they started off with a low price (even really low like 700 baht), most Indians would still try to haggle her down. Bit funny since Indians who try to be classy and not haggle get ripped off like you did.
I used to have a regular from Beach Road who actually preferred Indians, she says that compared to Farang they're not especially demanding, tend to come quickly and are easier to handle once you're familiar with them. She can negotiate with a group and do them back to back, which she doesn't mind (it is about money after all, and 5 x700 baht in an hour is better than 1 x700 baht in the same hour).
I hope you realize that girls say what you want to hear.Regarding the age they don't always lie, sometimes they are dumb at guessing the age for a male foreigner (especially if there is no obvious sign, as the white hairs) exactly as we are dumb at guessing their age while a Thai man would perfectly guess it at the first sight.
Sure looks that way to me, too. I will often mention my age and race on this board (65 year old Caucasian) when I relate an experience because in SEA and particularly Thailand, those are often pertinent factors. But, just as some Indian men might not automatically and immediately appear to be Indian to the girls compared to what they have generally encountered, some of us Caucasian geezers don't exactly fit the profile, either. The description I have mentioned in the past but rarely do anymore is that my weight is proportionate to my height (79 kg, 178 cm tall), 32"/81 cm waist, still have most of my hair, have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50. So I recognize that what I experience out there in the bars or online might be very different from what the men of my same age and ethnic origin, the majority of whom I see passing through the red light districts fitting your description of us above, experience. And, BTW, the results are not necessarily better for me than for them. Not by a long shot.
ArisCasa, a certain board member has repeatedly stated he knows many Indian men who regularly barfine and step out for ST/LT sessions with damned hot Thai girls, that one can hardly approach popular Pattaya Walking Street go-go bars without bumping into several Indian men emerging from them hand-in-hand with the top girls from those bars, practically all of them easily being 8's, 9's and 10's.
So it is bewildering why three of us in fairly rapid succession have now agreed that we either did not see "Much" of it in Pattaya, rarely see it or cannot recall seeing it even once. Maybe we three should get our vision checked ASAP.FWIW I'm Indian 50+ and always solo except when I have one or more local damsels with me of course. Never had a problem picking up 8/9+ chicks from clubs or go-go bars or Thermae or whatever so much so that a few times young guys have tried to hit on them in discos but failed to pry them, guess no money no honey. In shopping malls people stare when I'm with of these young beauties which actually makes me uncomfortable sometimes but what the heck only bond lives twice we all live once. I even had one Thai guy complete stranger walk up to me and tell me that I'm a lucky man thinking one of them was my wife or something. Anyways not sure how long this will last but I plan to be in LOS in May hopefully. Cheers & monger safely.
LittleBigMan
03-29-19, 12:27
There is no doubt that Thais profile especially the door guys. Didn't look back but I believe the conversation started with the ops stating he is Indian but from the USA?
If you are dressing like the Indians that have given other Indians a bad name changing your dress code would help for one that is my opinion. You be surprised if you even wore a Yankee baseball cap that would help. I'm Asian many times I get spoken to before I even open my mouth in English by a Thai, out of curiosity I ask them how come they spoke to me in English many have said it is because of the way I'm dressed of course many speak to me especially on Walking Street Japanese, Korean, and now Chinese we all look alike right. How you dress does make a difference even here in Pattaya.
Just because your an Indian you don't necessarily have to go to the Indian clubs end of Walking Street use to be Russian but now seem to be all Indians, Clubs like Razza? I went in when it was opened gave me a good eye opener as to why I won't be eager to make a trip to India.
If you got to get laid, use hitting the Soi Buakhao area, particularly down Soi Honey, it seems at time every Indian visiting is at Honey Massage a Soapy or P. P Massage further down Soi Buakhao make a right at Soi 15 a bit past TreeTown, there is a T. T. Yellow exchange booth at the corner if you are hungry right behind the exchange booth is a small hole in the wall own by Thais place to eat called Surprise! You can get a nice dinner Babyback ribs fries for 199 Baht or half chicken half ribs. P. P. Massage is half way down the Soi heading towards 3rd. Road.
There are tons of massage places that would gladly service Indians general price 1200 for full service that includes the massage price. Just be warned make sure it isn't a ladyboy unless that is your thing.
Many of the GoGo's LK metro allow Indian from my experience, Touch, Paradise, Dollshouse, Kinks, SugarSugar, Oasis they seem to take anyone? Try 13/1 there are one or two day time GoGo quality low but they will rock your world.
As noted, Soi six is always a sure thing for Indian, I've never heard of any of the night wish group places refusing Indian, also try Gentlemen clubs.
If you decided to take them back to your hotel and don't have transportation using a Songthaw please don't hag over the price that is a sure way of having your session end badly? that is a Indian joke sorry!
Good luck.
Blanquiceleste
03-29-19, 13:45
One thing with Indians is that they have a reputation for haggling, so the girls quote a high price upfront with the expectation that they'll have to go down. If they started off with a low price (even really low like 700 baht), most Indians would still try to haggle her down. Funny. I did not know Mr E was Indian. Nor most of the other dudes here who keep whinging about the escalating price of pussy in Thailand. 5555.
I agree to this in general as don't have typical gogo experience but having experience of general Asian establishment, most of the time it is easier to ask mamamsan. In Perth had an experience with a pretty pino girl who had a reputation of hit and miss, spoke to mamasan and the service I got was nothing short of amazing. These girls can't refuse their mamasan, so once she gets involved service improves dramatically.The original poster did not mention gogo bars. He was not simply getting a "no" as a rejection, but their backs turned when he approached or talked to them and all communication stopped when he sent a photo on Thai Friendly. This has to do more than just being Indian. Race shouldn't be an excuse unless you have wiped out all other excuses, including looks, mannerisms, and hygiene. If he had girls acting rudely with backs turned on him, I can imagine it's worse at gogo bars where there is even more of a hustle. Also mama sans cannot force any girl to go with any guy. They only know who is willing to go with what type of customer. So asking mamasan or buying her a drink, is unlikely to get the top notch girl. I am sure the top notch girl has the most freedom to choose whoever she wants. That's why I recommend him lowering his standard of choice. You can only get rejected rudely so much, and it will affect newbies mentally.
Funny. I did not know Mr E was Indian. Nor most of the other dudes here who keep whinging about the escalating price of pussy in Thailand. 5555.And the 1000's of sob stories in Phil, Thai, Viet and Indo boards how they were cheated of 100 Baht or equivalent (that's USd $ 3, I guess. Cost of a starbucks medium size) by tuk tuk guys, lady drinks, doorment an NEP, the street food vendor and what not. Oh and that SIM card top up stories of not getting 100 Baht talk time. How much did one spend from home to SEA airport and back home, compared to their 1/2/4 week romp in town. Just compare.
I arrived at Don Muang on a red eye flight at 05:30. As I'd never been to the airport before, its 20 years since my last visit to Pattaya and I was arriving so early, I just pre booked a car online with Tom's Taxi. 1400 be door to door inc tolls etc. Not cheap but super easy for a newbie or cautious traveler. He was on time, had a newish car and drove straight to the hotel with no deviations. The taxis must have had issues with collecting the wrong white guys in the past because he made me hold my name plaque for a photo before we set off.
A uneventful 2 hour drive to Pattaya and I arrived at the Scenery Hotel at 0800. My intention was just to dump my bags and get bfast before their checkin time but I was still dog tired after the flights, so paid 500 be for a 1/2 day early checkin. I've got a spacious room, a small balcony and plenty of air con and hot water (the later is a serious trigger point for me with hotel rooms). The only minor negatives I can find are no hot water at the bathroom faucet so cold water shaves and no lace inner curtain so the room is either blacked out with the curtains closed or there is no privacy with the curtains open: there is no option to have natural lighting and privacy at the same time. As I said, pretty minor negatives.
Thanks to Mr. E for recommending the hotel. I had mentioned that I like to be within walking distance to everywhere rather than rely on baht busses or taxis and the Scenery is certainly well placed, on Soi 11 and 2nd Road, mid way between WS and Soi 6 and just around the corner from LK Metro. It has many restaurants, laundries etc nearby. Breakfast close to WS and afternoon drinks on Soi 6 were all comfortable walks though at 4 am, with a girl in tow, I'd probably take the baht bus.
The day was spent walking around and getting my bearings after a 20 year absence. Beach road hadn't changed except for a God awful smell from the drainage. LK Metro provided a good place to get out of the mid day heat, fill the bar fridge and grab a massage. Soi 6 was just starting to come alive in the afternoon. Bar Fines were quoted as 300 be for a ST on site to 700 for a off site LT. Tips were 1500. Lots of girls of all body types were available and I would have had no problem finding someone to my liking if I wanted at the time. As a Philippines regular, I was very pleasantly surprised to see many tall slim girls available, something I don't see a lot of there. The only downside of walking everywhere was that the heat and humidity meant that every time I got back to the hotel I was in need of yet another shower.
My intention was to do a loop through LK Metro at night but by that time I was pretty tired from the flights and walking so just called it quits. I'm in town for a while so I felt no need to fill every minute of every day.
My apologies for a longwinded report with essentially no action. All in all it was a good day for me, getting familiar with the various areas again and getting a feel for where I'd like to return to over the next few days. If anyone is in town and would like a wingman / drinking buddy, feel free to PM me.
Enjoy. G.
You didn't notice much of what I had not noticed either, right? And I imagine you might be paying more attention to that kind of thing than I am generally. Of course, one factor I can't assess in your particular case with regard to your success in being seen walking around with "9+" Thai P4P girls or any of the girls in your photos is, if I saw you in person, would I even take you to be an Indian walking past me with your girl?Indeed, I didn't notice much aside from the 2 occasions in Pattaya. And you are correct that I may pass for another ethnic group in a foreign country. Happened to me in London when I spent a few months there and I was mistaken for Italian, Spanish and Turkish LOL. In hindsight I should've grown a beard back then and would've possibly passed for a wealthy Arab tycoon that the Brits have grown accustomed too (with their major stakes in Premiere league teams. Hull, Everton, Man City) in recent years, and I would've been a pussy magnet.
I have seen your photos with your face blurred out and blocked so it is not something I can judge merely from the portions of your body I have seen in the shots. Your skin appears to be rather light. You have mentioned several times that there is some element of "spin" on your Indian ethnicity that suggests many people might not think you are Indian. Or maybe I misunderstood that? Naturally, such a factor would not apply to the point I made. If most Thai girls would not automatically and immediately take you to be an Indian man on meeting you then your experience and my observation of it would be radically different and largely irrelevant to the point I made.Like I mentioned in my Day 9 report, it was good to be back in BKK as I had felt stereotyped in Pattaya. It seemed as if I couldn't pull off the mysterious ethnic charade with the Pattaya girls as I was easily identified and asked if I was from India on many occasions. I recall walking passed some Thai freelancers on Pattaya sai 2 road and 1 of the girls actually said "Namaste Bhai" (Namaste is a Hindu greeting and Bhai means brother) to me LOL. I was like holy fuck, my India homies have got these girls in check haha. Now with the 2 points I've just made, I guess it's fair to say that I don't come across as a 'typical' Indian at times, which will help motivate my final point and address yours.
On both points, and you appear to be agreeing with me on the ethnicity one, simply suggesting, "Hey, go for the "9s" or the hottest girls in the bar, don't make the mistake I see being made all the time, the only problem is in your mind, I see successes happening all around", is totally unrealistic based on what is easily observable to you and me, imo.I believe you may have misconstrued my point about giving other Indian punters some confidence if they up their game. What I was basically stating was that Indian guys (and actually any punter of any ethnic background) can pull 8's, 9's, & 10's if they've got some game. If you've got no game, no matter your ethnic background, you've got a very slim chance of constantly pulling top girls for whatever p4 p requirements you may have. Game has been mentioned a number of times on the Thailand Forum, and in essence is actually a single word that covers a vast array of factors and fundamentals that once a punter has a grasp off, will make his success at pulling top girls a lot easier. Now I don't claim to have the ultimate game, very far from that actually, but I do get by with the knowledge that I have. And for me to not come across as a 'typical' Indian has a lot to do with my game. In my reports I dropped some major hints about my attire, cologne, tipping or what I said and did, intentionally, so guys who might be having some difficulty, could pick up on it and perhaps try similar approaches.
On a Side note. Neil Strauss's book The Game, is an interesting read for guys who are finding difficulty in understanding the laws of attraction. And years ago I use to watch a very cool TV series called 'The Pick Up Artist' by Mystery and his mates, that showcase their ability to persuade and seduce really hot girls just about anywhere. Worth checking out.
MongerForSex
03-30-19, 01:32
Indeed, I didn't notice much aside from the 2 occasions in Pattaya. And you are correct that I may pass for another ethnic group in a foreign country. Happened to me in London when I spent a few months there and I was mistaken for Italian, Spanish and Turkish LOL. In hindsight I should've grown a beard back then and would've possibly passed for a wealthy Arab tycoon that the Brits have grown accustomed too (with their major stakes in Premiere league teams. Hull, Everton, Man City) in recent years, and I would've been a pussy magnet.
.I am Brazilian of Middle Eastern origin, I also speak Hebrew and Levantine Arabic as first languages. I look like a Jew or Arab and never had trouble picking up girls. We Brazilians are good at games. I recently travelled to China and met a young Japanese tourist. I fucked her without paying a penny. Thailand is my next destination and plan on going there in June (Pattaya). There are stereotypes everywhere but we don't care. There are stereotypes about European and American men being dumped by Thai girls. We all don't care about stereotypes, we are all different. It's not a competition. We don't care who pick the hottest hooker as long as you pay there is no game. No money no honey thailand. I have a brazilian friend that looks like an indian, he was successfull in picking girls in Pattaya. He is as dark as people from Sri Lanka.
I am just scared not to find a hot Thai woman because I watched many videos about pattaya on Youtube, I rarely saw hot Thai girls in Pattaya, the hottest Thai girls I saw were with Japanese and Korean clients. I prefer Vietnamese girls over Thai girls physically. But Vietnam is not as open as Thailand for sex.
On both points, and you appear to be agreeing with me on the ethnicity one, simply suggesting, "Hey, go for the "9s" or the hottest girls in the bar, don't make the mistake I see being made all the time, the only problem is in your mind, I see successes happening all around", is totally unrealistic based on what is easily observable to you and me, imo.
I believe you may have misconstrued my point about giving other Indian punters some confidence if they up their game. What I was basically stating was that Indian guys (and actually any punter of any ethnic background) can pull 8's, 9's, & 10's if they've got some game. If you've got no game, no matter your ethnic background, you've got a very slim chance of constantly pulling top girls for whatever p4 p requirements you may have. Game has been mentioned a number of times on the Thailand Forum, and in essence is actually a single word that covers a vast array of factors and fundamentals that once a punter has a grasp off, will make his success at pulling top girls a lot easier. Now I don't claim to have the ultimate game, very far from that actually, but I do get by with the knowledge that I have. And for me to not come across as a 'typical' Indian has a lot to do with my game. In my reports I dropped some major hints about my attire, cologne, tipping or what I said and did, intentionally, so guys who might be having some difficulty, could pick up on it and perhaps try similar approaches.Oh, Siamsin, I absolutely agree with you about those things; confidence, game and so on. What I had cobbled together in my "Hey, go for the "9s" or the hottest girls in the bar" quote above was referencing 2-3 other posters' responses to the OP, not yours.
And the 1000's of sob stories in Phil, Thai, Viet and Indo boards how they were cheated of 100 Baht or equivalent (that's USd $ 3, I guess. Cost of a starbucks medium size) by tuk tuk guys, lady drinks, doorment an NEP, the street food vendor and what not. Oh and that SIM card top up stories of not getting 100 Baht talk time. How much did one spend from home to SEA airport and back home, compared to their 1/2/4 week romp in town. Just compare.That makes me nuts. The worst are the ones that whinge over 10 baht. Or crying that they have to buy a drink at a gogo. Waaaaaaaah.
Wolvenvacht
03-30-19, 08:22
As a Philippines regular, I was very pleasantly surprised to see many tall slim girls available, something I don't see a lot of there. Ladyboy alert?
Ladyboy alert?I wasnt talking that tall. Anything over 5' flat beats the Philippines average. 😎.
Oh, Siamsin, I absolutely agree with you about those things; confidence, game and so on. What I had cobbled together in my "Hey, go for the "9s" or the hottest girls in the bar" quote above was referencing 2-3 other posters' responses to the OP, not yours.Haven't been to Pattaya yet. Will be there in 2 days. Walked to twister and spanky. I'm twistee I was eyeing a Chinese thai mix girl on their tub. Best features, tall and really pretty. Told the server that I like her and 10 min later she was sitring with me. Bought her a drink. Rubbed some ass and asked if I can bar fine her. Was told 1000 BF and 3000/5000 for her.
At spankys, went in sat there, was eyeing a girl who was looking other side of stage, calles the mamasan and asked her if I can buu her a ld. Mamasan points her lasee pointer to a serving lady, signal her to bring Minh to me and after couple of drinks my hands were exploring all the parts where sun doesn't shine everyday. BF 700 and st 3000 requested.
I would urge everyone, don't underestimate yourself. You have the most imp things these girls want, money. That is there purpose of being there.
8,9,10 scale girl, as long as they know that you can afford them, they will be very willing to go with you.
I am from same region, never had a problem. There is a lady in Perth who advertises no African or Indians. Once offered her $100 more and she accepted the booking. Since that day I believe that your game has nothing to do with you getting girl, game can get you better or cheaper service at times, but most girls will prefer more money.
The original poster did not mention gogo bars. He was not simply getting a "no" as a rejection, but their backs turned when he approached or talked to them and all communication stopped when he sent a photo on Thai Friendly. This has to do more than just being Indian. Race shouldn't be an excuse unless you have wiped out all other excuses, including looks, mannerisms, and hygiene. If he had girls acting rudely with backs turned on him, I can imagine it's worse at gogo bars where there is even more of a hustle. Also mama sans cannot force any girl to go with any guy. They only know who is willing to go with what type of customer. So asking mamasan or buying her a drink, is unlikely to get the top notch girl. I am sure the top notch girl has the most freedom to choose whoever she wants. That's why I recommend him lowering his standard of choice. You can only get rejected rudely so much, and it will affect newbies mentally.Mama san can't force but their suggestion is often enough. I am from same region. Already have 2 pics on TF profile.
Have met 2 TF girls in BK in last 2 days. Have some lined up for Pattaya.
I wouldn't say lower the standards, stream line his process.
I believe you may have misconstrued my point about giving other Indian punters some confidence if they up their game. What I was basically stating was that Indian guys (and actually any punter of any ethnic background) can pull 8's, 9's, & 10's if they've got some game. If you've got no game, no matter your ethnic background, you've got a very slim chance of constantly pulling top girls for whatever p4 p requirements you may have. Game has been mentioned a number of times on the Thailand Forum, and in essence is actually a single word that covers a vast array of factors and fundamentals that once a punter has a grasp off, will make his success at pulling top girls a lot easier. Now I don't claim to have the ultimate game, very far from that actually, but I do get by with the knowledge that I have. And for me to not come across as a 'typical' Indian has a lot to do with my game. In my reports I dropped some major hints about my attire, cologne, tipping or what I said and did, intentionally, so guys who might be having some difficulty, could pick up on it and perhaps try similar approaches.
On a Side note. Neil Strauss's book The Game, is an interesting read for guys who are finding difficulty in understanding the laws of attraction. And years ago I use to watch a very cool TV series called 'The Pick Up Artist' by Mystery and his mates, that showcase their ability to persuade and seduce really hot girls just about anywhere. Worth checking out.Talking about game, does anybody know what happened to MonkeyPaw? He hasn't posted anything for a couple of months now. Or are you the 'reincarnation' of MonkeyPaw Siamsin?
Talking about game, does anybody know what happened to MonkeyPaw? He hasn't posted anything for a couple of months now. Or are you the 'reincarnation' of MonkeyPaw Siamsin?Haha, I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or not. I believe he ruffled quite a few feathers on this board. I did read some of his reports and found it very informative and helpful prior to my trip to Thailand. He certainly does come across as conceited and arrogant to some, but if what he mentions is true regarding his background and access to nearly unlimited funds, then who can blame him for his largely wild, insouciant and profligate lifestyle. That coupled with his knowledge of game definitely makes him a formidable monger imo.
Personally, I try to pick up bits of info, tactics and strategies from posts and reports by all contributing members on this forum, as you never stop learning and improving your game.
But to answer your question regarding me being the 'reincarnation' (which I find quite cheeky with me being a hindu) of Monkeypaw, the answer is obviously no. In fact, I don't even own a teddy bear. But I'm sure he is missed by many as he certainly contributed significant information to the board and wasn't just a commenter.
Haven't been to Pattaya yet. Will be there in 2 days. Walked to twister and spanky. I'm twistee I was eyeing a Chinese thai mix girl on their tub. Best features, tall and really pretty. Told the server that I like her and 10 min later she was sitring with me. Bought her a drink. Rubbed some ass and asked if I can bar fine her. Was told 1000 BF and 3000/5000 for her.
At spankys, went in sat there, was eyeing a girl who was looking other side of stage, calles the mamasan and asked her if I can buu her a ld. Mamasan points her lasee pointer to a serving lady, signal her to bring Minh to me and after couple of drinks my hands were exploring all the parts where sun doesn't shine everyday. BF 700 and st 3000 requested.
I would urge everyone, don't underestimate yourself. You have the most imp things these girls want, money. That is there purpose of being there.
8,9,10 scale girl, as long as they know that you can afford them, they will be very willing to go with you.
I am from same region, never had a problem. There is a lady in Perth who advertises no African or Indians. Once offered her $100 more and she accepted the booking. Since that day I believe that your game has nothing to do with you getting girl, game can get you better or cheaper service at times, but most girls will prefer more money.Generally agree with you in that virtually no game is required to get girls to "go with you" in Thailand. Especially if you are fine with basic, standard FS, everything covered, very little intimacy required from the girl. Said it on this site many times.
However, getting them to DO something as intimate and involved as BBFS+CIP, possibly BBBJ+CIM (other than in a BJ Bar and some MPs), definitely BBBJ+CIM+SWALLOW and now let's include the goal being getting that from solid 7.5+ girls and now we're talking about something no one can count on getting by just rolling out of bed, walking into a go-go bar, pointing to or having a mamasan point to a girl (the 8, 9 or 10, right?) and offering Money, Money, Money. Not in Thailand go-go bars. It's going to require something more in terms of effort, luck of the draw physically, ethnically, whatever in order to get that with some consistency.
There was no indication that even MonkeyPaw was scoring that with much consistency. And he spent TONS of Money, Money, Money and I think claimed to have the best game in Asia.
Oh, I suppose if just about anybody no matter how extreme the challenge offered 5-10 times the Money, Money, Money going rate each and every time they might get BBFS+CIP fairly consistently with go-go bar 7.5's or thereabouts. Maybe even go-go bar 8s. But I assume that is not what you were talking about in your barfine examples, right?
. I believe he ruffled quite a few feathers on this board. Never met the guy but he did refer me to the "legendary" Claire, Miss Bottoms Contest Winner in Makati which I am grateful for. I think I would have enjoyed having San Migs with him. I, too, have ruffled some feathers on this board. Jackson even erased like a thousand of my posts (many of which were simply requests for big boob sightings and contact info haha). I'm still being moderated for reasons that have long since expired. But it's OK. I try to not be too abrasive to the offenders or just plain wrong posters but sometimes you got to do what you got to do. Anyway I think I've been on ISG for over 10 years now, made some friends and got a lot of great information on not just big boob sightings but taxis, hotels, airports, weather, etc. Really, the subscription has paid for itself many times over and I thank Jackson for not kicking me out permanently.
MongerForSex
03-30-19, 21:55
I am from same region, never had a problem. There is a lady in Perth who advertises no African or Indians. Once offered her $100 more and she accepted the booking. Since that day I believe that your game has nothing to do with you getting girl, game can get you better or cheaper service at times, but most girls will prefer more money.There is no game as long as you pay. I don't know why people are talking about games when it comes to hookers. A hooker is a hooker, she will say all you want to hear. Your dick is small (oh your dick is big), you are ugly (you are handsome) you are fat (you are strong) you are old (you look younger), you are not interesting (they listen to you as if they are interested) you are a foreigner (I don't like local men) you were bad in bed (I loved it) etc. It's their work to adapt to the client and know how to lie because they are used to all kinds of clients and are working girls. If they always say the truth they will lose clients. Western men are dump, Indian men are cheap etc but stereotypes mean nothing. There are so many stereotypes. We Brazilian guys are known to be machos, cheaters but it's just a stereotype and I don't care. If you enjoy, there is nothing to do with your ethnicity but more with your personality.
If you fuck a girl without paying cash, we can talk about the games. Travelling miles just to get laid with farmers, it's not game.
I plan to travel to Thailand (Pattaya) not because I am homesick but because I like visiting different countries. I fuck everyday in my home country.
Engine Driver
03-30-19, 22:27
There is no game as long as you pay. I don't know why people are talking about games when it comes to hookers. A hooker is a hooker, she will say all you want to hear. Your dick is small (oh your dick is big), you are ugly (you are handsome) you are fat (you are strong) you are old (you look younger), you are not interesting (they listen to you as if they are interested) you are a foreigner (I don't like local men) you were bad in bed (I loved it) etc. It's their work to adapt to the client and know how to lie because they are used to all kinds of clients and are working girls. If they always say the truth they will lose clients. Western men are dump, Indian men are cheap etc but stereotypes mean nothing. There are so many stereotypes. We Brazilian guys are known to be machos, cheaters but it's just a stereotype and I don't care. If you enjoy, there is nothing to do with your ethnicity but more with your personality.
If you fuck a girl without paying cash, we can talk about the games. Travelling miles just to get laid with farmers, it's not game.
I plan to travel to Thailand (Pattaya) not because I am homesick but because I like visiting different countries. I fuck everyday in my home country.That's the most correct and sensible post I've read in a long time.
I can't understand the obsession on the Pattaya board about mongers wanting to prove they can pick up and bang an 8 or a 9. FFS, they are prostitutes.
Banana Boi
03-31-19, 00:23
I can't understand the obsession on the Pattaya board about mongers wanting to prove they can pick up and bang an 8 or a 9. FFS, they are prostitutes.Why would a guy select an average looking girl when there's a prettier one at another bar?
We don't all have the same taste in girls anyways. One person's 8 may be another person's 5. Some guy may have barfined a girl who they thought was an 8 but after a poor session rates her a 6 for looks.
For me, pretty enough is pretty enough. All things being equal, prettier is better. But in my experience, it easier to meet a fun 7 then a fun 9, that maybe bc there are more 7's. It's usually cheaper also.
Why would a guy select an average looking girl when there's a prettier one at another bar?
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We don't care who pick the hottest hooker as long as you pay there is no game. No money no honey thailand.
I would urge everyone, don't underestimate yourself. You have the most imp things these girls want, money. That is there purpose of being there.
8,9,10 scale girl, as long as they know that you can afford them, they will be very willing to go with you. I am from same region, never had a problem. There is a lady in Perth who advertises no African or Indians. Once offered her $100 more and she accepted the booking. Since that day I believe that your game has nothing to do with you getting girl, game can get you better or cheaper service at times, but most girls will prefer more money.
There is no game as long as you pay. I don't know why people are talking about games when it comes to hookers. A hooker is a hooker, she will say all you want to hear. Your dick is small (oh your dick is big), you are ugly (you are handsome) you are fat (you are strong) you are old (you look younger), you are not interesting (they listen to you as if they are interested) you are a foreigner (I don't like local men) you were bad in bed (I loved it) etc. It's their work to adapt to the client and know how to lie because they are used to all kinds of clients and are working girls. If they always say the truth they will lose clients. Western men are dump, Indian men are cheap etc but stereotypes mean nothing. There are so many stereotypes. We Brazilian guys are known to be machos, cheaters but it's just a stereotype and I don't care. If you enjoy, there is nothing to do with your ethnicity but more with your personality.
If you fuck a girl without paying cash, we can talk about the games. Travelling miles just to get laid with farmers, it's not game.
That's the most correct and sensible post I've read in a long time.
I can't understand the obsession on the Pattaya board about mongers wanting to prove they can pick up and bang an 8 or a 9. FFS, they are prostitutes.I do agree with you guys to an extent that money will pretty much open any set of shapely legs in the p4 p scene. But how many punters are actually that exceptionally wealthy? Picture a rough looking, overweight dude with just got out of bed attire, walking into a top gogo bar and signalling 1 of the top 5 girls to go with him. His chances are absolutely zero. However, if he gives the mamasan 2 k and tells the girl he'll give her 20 k /30 k for ST with his requirements, I'm pretty sure she'll bite the bullet and consider it. Likewise with the Online Scene of ThaiFriendly and other dating apps which I'm more familiar with, where first impressions and profile pictures count, I can assure you that the exact same guy I described above will have zero chance of getting responses from the hottest girls on there, with a profile photo of him standing in a park or in his Speedos on the beach. But if he showcases his lifestyle with photos of him next to his Ferrari's, on his luxury catamaran, wearing a custom Bijan suit and matching Rolex etc, I'm pretty sure his inbox would be full.
Unfortunately most of us aren't that exceptionally wealthy, and that's where Game comes in. In the p4 p4 scene, it's the ability to pay a fair rate for the requirements the punter expects, and get all that from 8, 9 or 10 WG's constantly. Further perks of having good Game is to later spend much less or no money when repeating with some of these girls, just out of your pure ability to seduce and intoxify them with your charm. Game goes beyond WG's in that you're able to pull ordinary chicks from just about anywhere. It works especially well in Thailand where sex, sexual preferences and sexuality is openly accepted. Thai girls are far more liberal when it comes to sex and 1 night stands with foreigners, so having good game definitely helps.
Every single 1 of us has and uses some sort of game whether we know it or not. It's not just what you say to women, but everything about you, before you even say a word. Your demeanor, body language, attire, build, hygiene, multilingualism ability, scent, aura, approach etc. Hot girls get hit on every single day of their lives. Be it walking around the mall, in their neighborhoods, at work, gym, out with friends, on their social media accounts, everywhere. I asked 1 of my Thai friendly hookups when last she had used the app, and in my presence she logged in and within a minute of her being online, she had over 30 messages, an exorbitant number of profile visits and a couple of dick pics (LOL. Who the fuck does that shit) in that short space of time. She just looked at me and said, that's why she doesn't use it anymore. Having good game allows you to stand out from the crowd, be noticed, banter, and bed the girl you desire.
In the p4 p scene most punters, be it expats, holiday makers, business travelers, returning spouses etc, have budgets or limits that they abide to. Blowing your entire pussy budget on a few 9's or 10's in a space of 5 days of your 14 day vakay for example, isn't very smart if your intention to get those girls is offering them more money. But having good game when chatting to that 9 or 10, negging her, making her laugh, bantering, building rapport and curiosity, will easily allow you to get her to agree to some if not all your requirements for an acceptable rate. After a session with her, possibly see her at a reduced rate or no charge, hook you up with a friend, maybe even persuade her into a threesome. There's plenty of posts on the Thailand forum about guys that don't pay for sex or have a set few girls they see for casual rendezvous and that all boils down to their game imo.
Engine Driver
03-31-19, 00:54
Why would a guy select an average looking girl when there's a prettier one at another bar?
We don't all have the same taste in girls anyways. One person's 8 may be another person's 5. Some guy may have barfined a girl who they thought was an 8 but after a poor session rates her a 6 for looks.My point was that there's no need for the pissing contest as to who can get a 9 and who can't. They are all poorly educated prostitutes from poor rural backgrounds. Last time I looked, gold medals weren't being awarded to mongers with the most kills LOL.
Mr Enternational
03-31-19, 01:11
I can't understand the obsession on the Pattaya board about mongers wanting to prove they can pick up and bang an 8 or a 9. FFS, they are prostitutes.I have never understood courting or kowtowing to a chick you have to pay. Hell, I don't even do it with the chicks I don't have to pay. I have always said just to walk up to them and say lets go. If she is trying to earn something then she will go. If she is not then just move on to the next one. A hooker is a hooker, no matter if she is a 2 or a 10. In any other business isn't the one spending the money the one that os supposed to be courted? A customer courting the seller is ass backwards.
Why would a guy select an average looking girl when there's a prettier one at another bar?Because the 7+ is far more likely to provide an exceptional experience than the girl who does not need to attract customers.
Sadly, I've had it proven many times that girls that are flooded with customers can give lack luster sessions where as girls that are keen for repeat business will try to give you a reason to come back. I routinely avoid "the" girl in a bar. Not because I'm intimidated by looks but because I'm pretty sure other, still pretty but not stunning, girls are more likely to give me a great session. #.
Also, some guys are more attracted to the more homely girls or those closer to their own age. Plenty of older guys exclusively select 30+ girls.
We don't all have the same taste in girls anyways. One person's 8 may be another person's 5. Some guy may have barfined a girl who they thought was an 8 but after a poor session rates her a 6 for looks.Totally correct. Who am I to judge the attractiveness of of another guy's girl? He is free to spend his money on whom ever he wishes.
#either that or subconsciously I know that they wouldn't touch me with a barge pole. 😎.
Enjoy. G.
Out of curiosity, on a scale of 1 to 10 how low will you go. And how would you score the median you do?
For me if 2 or below is ugly, and 5 or 6 is average. I have been with a 3 or 4. She was in her 40's, kind of saggy, but really sweet and wanted to please. I would say my median average is with a 6. I like a little older, in their low 30's, age wise. I don't think I have ever been with what people here would say is a 9. Though a few solid 8's, at least in my opinion.
Mr Enternational
03-31-19, 02:04
Because the 7+ is far more likely to provide an exceptional experience than the girl who does not need to attract customers.
Sadly, I've had it proven many times that girls that are flooded with customers can give lack luster sessions where as girls that are keen for repeat business will try to give you a reason to come back.But would you say it is something they are doing or not doing on purpose? If so, then what?
Some people just can not fuck. I have used a chick that I mess with in the Dominican Republic as an example before. She is a free chick that works at the bank. No problem with her not wanting to fuck. She likes to do it. But she is HORRIBLE at it. She always keeps her body stiff and locks her knees, even when she is on top. I have tried teaching her but to no avail.
I have never had a chick in Thailand that I would say was doing something negative on purpose. Most of the chicks that I mess with are freelance. Every now and then I will catch a chick that is freelancing and later find out they work at a gogo bar and it happened to be their day off. I can not recall any of them being anything to write home about in the fucking department. And as I said before, it was not because of something they were doing on purpose to ruin the session.
After a late sleep in and brunch I went to grab a massage along 2nd Road. My bad back was still playing up after the flight so I took some previous board advice and went with one of the older women. A great massage evened out the wrinkles. Lots of manual rimming and sack rubbing while I was face down and a full prostate massage to completion when I was face up. I was surprised to find there was no mention of price beforehand so I just left her a 500B tip when leaving. Flame me if I over paid.
I relaxed back in he room in the afternoon just to escape the heat and me sweating up a storm again. About 10 pm I walked around the corner to LK Metro. Billabong was full of people so I grabbed a spot near the corner. Unfortunately there was not too much eye candy so I only stayed for one drink. Most of the ladies were probably once attractive but were now well past 30. I was to later find that this was the case with most of the beer bars in the area with only 1 or 2 attractive girls in the bar and the rest older ladies. The gogos were another matter with lots of cute girls up on stage and milling around. Unlike the Philippines most were doing their best to put on a show rather than doing the bored stoner shuffle around a chrome pole. Paradise and Destiny had the best girls and atmosphere. Quotes were 1500+ tips of about 2500. Lots of girls fitted my preference of long and lean.
From KL Metro it was a decent walk to Walking Street. Still hot, I was seriously reconsidering my preference for walking every where. What a stupid idea. Not to mention that once the seal had broken, I was stopping for a pi$$ every 10 seconds.
The first couple of bars in WS were a serious disappointment with girls less attractive than LK, much more assertive drink requests and attitude when these were not immediately forthcoming. Most disappointing was that any decent set of tits were obvious bolt ons and not good ones at that. I've no idea of prices as I wasnt enjoying the vibe nor the girls' company.
Moving south, the atmosphere got a lot better, the girls were more fun and the gogos were worthy of stopping for a couple of drinks rather than one and done. Mid way down were the Russian bars then at the very end the Indian. I didn't hit any of the clubs / discos as I'm too old for that $hit. 😁
All up I preferred LKM (the gogos, not the beer bars) with it's better atmosphere and selection of pretty girls. WS obviously had the better lookers and partial / full nudity but their attitude and the over all vibe wasnt doing it for me on that night.
Enjoy. G.
But would you say it is something they are doing or not doing on purpose? If so, then what?
Some people just can not fuck......
I have never had a chick in Thailand that I would say was doing something negative on purpose.....I just think its human nature. Stunners simply don't have to put in as much / any effort to win a lot of business. There is no need for them to waste their energy. I certainly think that those that rely on repeat busines vs their looks attracting new customers every night do go the extra mile to ensure guys do come back.
Some girls just cannot fuck me the way I like it. They may fuck other guys to their satisfaction.
I'm not an expert on Thailand. However, I have had girls sabotage a session simply so she can do a runner and get back to the bar and other potential customers. This can be through poor performance or inciting a disagreement so I throw her out.
Of course, the above does not mean that pretty girls cannot be great lays. Several recent posts have shown lookers who kept their monger VERY happy.
I have never understood courting or kowtowing to a chick you have to pay. Hell, I don't even do it with the chicks I don't have to pay. I have always said just to walk up to them and say lets go. If she is trying to earn something then she will go. If she is not then just move on to the next one. A hooker is a hooker, no matter if she is a 2 or a 10. In any other business isn't the one spending the money the one that os supposed to be courted? A customer courting the seller is ass backwards.If that were even remotely true in the real world, we would read here and see with our own eyes in the red light districts nothing but punters with 8's, 9's and 10's walking to hotels and getting everything they want, no unpleasant surprses. And for merely sayng "Let's go" and payng no more than the going rate and often less.
That same story would be reported here over and over again with mind-numbing repetition. Otherwise, why would anyone bother picking up a dumpy older lady with a belly and a dropped ass?
But it isn't what we all can easily observe in the real world or read here.
Blanquiceleste
03-31-19, 05:06
But I'm sure he is missed by many as he certainly contributed significant information to the board and wasn't just a commenter.Ouch! You just made a few enemies here my friend. Personally, I agree with everything you say. Some folks just can't handle the idea that someone else is having more fun or is more capable or is getting laid more or whatever. 5555.
It's going to require something more in terms of effort, luck of the draw physically, ethnically, whatever in order to get that with some consistency.This sums it up except money has to be added to that quote. Game does not matter as much either. Having "game" in the P4P world is laughable. Go to a club in Los Angeles and pick up an 8+ for free, and you have game. Then again, even a squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
Numbers is a universal language, and money is the driving motivation for these girls, 8+ or not.
Engine Driver
03-31-19, 07:30
Talking about game, does anybody know what happened to MonkeyPaw? He hasn't posted anything for a couple of months now. Or are you the 'reincarnation' of MonkeyPaw Siamsin?He got very upset when some members said he couldn't be getting any girly action if he was sitting in his hotel room for 8 hours a day typing out his weighty tomes. I think someone even said he was miserable loner. LOL
He got very upset when some members said he couldn't be getting any girly action if he was sitting in his hotel room for 8 hours a day typing out his weighty tomes. I think someone even said he was miserable loner. LOLMonkey Paw was a bullshitter. At least in the Angeles City forum. MP stated he gave US $5,000 to an AC orphanage. A friend of mine knows the orphanage and asked, no such donation. 5 k would have been noticeable and fed a lot of mouths there.
Banana Boi
03-31-19, 07:59
Thanks for your reports Goferring. Nice to read some actual reviews. In 3 years I've seen 2 good looking girls at Billabong and they were there on the same night. Make sure you hit Kink agogo in LK Metro. Prettier girls downstairs. Skanky dirty but imo not so pretty ones upstairs. Champagne has the most girls in LK Metro.
1400 from DMK is pretty good. I may need to try that company.
If you want some breakfast recommendations nearby pm me. We don't need a food discussion on a sex board.
Banana Boi
03-31-19, 08:10
He got very upset when some members said he couldn't be getting any girly action if he was sitting in his hotel room for 8 hours a day typing out his weighty tomes. I think someone even said he was miserable loner. LOLIf you met MP you would know nothing upsets him.
He's open to meet any doubters about who he is or what he does.
I don't agree with some things MP says or does but I do have mega respect for the ONLY guy in Pattaya who actually knows more Walking Street gogo girls than I do.
Monkey Paw was a bullshitter. At least in the Angeles City forum. MP stated he gave US $5,000 to an AC orphanage. A friend of mine knows the orphanage and asked, no such donation. 5 k would have been noticeable and fed a lot of mouths there.
If you met MP you would know nothing upsets him.
He's open to meet any doubters about who he is or what he does.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure when Dg would set up a meeting with him that he has some bullshit explanation as to why the orphanage in AC didn't get his donation LOL.
Thanks for your reports Goferring. Nice to read some actual reviews. In 3 years I've seen 2 good looking girls at Billabong and they were there on the same night. Make sure you hit Kink agogo in LK Metro. Prettier girls downstairs. Skanky dirty but imo not so pretty ones upstairs. Champagne has the most girls in LK Metro.
1400 from DMK is pretty good. I may need to try that company.
If you want some breakfast recommendations nearby pm me. We don't need a food discussion on a sex board.Thanks. I enjoyed LK Metro and no doubt will return. I noticed one looker at Billbong when I first arrived and another when I was sitting at Kilkennys later having a meal. There was a couple more scattered amongst the other Beer Bars in the street.
By looker I mean over 5'3", slim and sub-25. You say "skanky" like it's a bad thing. LOL.
I was happy wih the taxi. I think there are a heap of web sites used by the same parent company. If you google "Taxi Don Muang to Pattaya" then you will find a number of sites with the same cars, prices, info and booking format.
Check your PMs.
Cheers. G.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure when Dg would set up a meeting with him that he has some bullshit explanation as to why the orphanage in AC didn't get his donation LOL.I am more willing to meet with him along with the two nuns he "supposedly" handed the $5000 cash to.
Franciscass
03-31-19, 10:15
I am more willing to meet with him along with the two nuns he "supposedly" handed the $5000 cash to.No doubt MP roamed around the go go's and had some success but equally true is the reality that he was a fantasist that makes Walter Mitty look like a novice. But so what. He was quite entertaining to read unlike some of the current crop of third person long winded dreamers.
... Game does not matter as much either. Having "game" in the P4P world is laughable. Go to a club in Los Angeles and pick up an 8+ for free, and you have game. Then again, even a squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
..Funny thing about game in the P4P world is we all employ it one way or another without thinking about it too much. In fact, it is directly or indirectly the SUBJECT of most questions and answers about the P4P scene on these boards:
If you refuse to Pay Upfront, that's game.
If you show up at clubs when they are closing on the assumption the girls left over will be more needy, that's game.
If you show up at places like Thermae in Bkk on the 31st of the month, the night before rent is due and you are especially fond of doing it on rainy nights, that's game.
If you walk into a club smiling when in fact you really aren't thinking of anything particularly humorous, that's game.
If you choose an apartment or hotel offering anything more than the most basic requirements for Shit, Shower, Sleep and Sex on the premise that something nicer will impress the ladies or make them feel more comfortable, that's game.
If you so much as crack a joke or try to create a "fun" environment with your targeted girl before hitting her up for a ST, that is not only game it is also courting and kowtowing to the girl.
And on and on.
Actually, if you are every bit as satisfied having sex with 2's vs 10's and if you are every bit as satisfied with covered FS only vs DFK+DATY+BBBJ+BBFS+CIP, then you might as well approach every 2 in the city, counter offer demonstrably less than her initial quote (if any), negotiate nothing else, simply say "Let's go", go-with-the-flow and accept whatever result you get with a smile, you will not only win by your standards a good 99.99% of the time but you will have done so while avoiding as much game as it is possible to avoid, I suppose.
PedroMorales
03-31-19, 11:54
places like Thermae
If you so much as crack a joke or try to create a "fun" environment with your targeted girl before hitting her up for a ST, that is not only game it is also courting and kowtowing to the girl.
And on and on..Once in Thermae, I overheard guys approach a stunner, each of them telling the same lame jokes I had also used. The best part was the music. Magge Mae by Rod Stewart, about an aging hooker who breaks a young guy's heart and drains his bank balance. But he loves her anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD_6KqP7K0g
Every single 1 of us has and uses some sort of game whether we know it or not. It's not just what you say to women, but everything about you, before you even say a word. Your demeanor, body language, attire, build, hygiene, multilingualism ability, scent, aura, approach etc.
Funny thing about game in the P4P world is we all employ it one way or another without thinking about it too much. In fact, it is directly or indirectly the SUBJECT of most questions and answers about the P4P scene on these boards:
If you refuse to Pay Upfront, that's game.
If you show up at clubs when they are closing on the assumption the girls left over will be more needy, that's game.
If you show up at places like Thermae in Bkk on the 31st of the month, the night before rent is due and you are especially fond of doing it on rainy nights, that's game.
If you walk into a club smiling when in fact you really aren't thinking of anything particularly humorous, that's game.
If you choose an apartment or hotel offering anything more than the most basic requirements for Shit, Shower, Sleep and Sex on the premise that something nicer will impress the ladies or make them feel more comfortable, that's game.
If you so much as crack a joke or try to create a "fun" environment with your targeted girl before hitting her up for a ST, that is not only game it is also courting and kowtowing to the girl.
And on and on.
Actually, if you are every bit as satisfied having sex with 2's vs 10's and if you are every bit as satisfied with covered FS only vs DFK+DATY+BBBJ+BBFS+CIP, then you might as well approach every 2 in the city, counter offer demonstrably less than her initial quote (if any), negotiate nothing else, simply say "Let's go", go-with-the-flow and accept whatever result you get with a smile, you will not only win by your standards a good 99.99% of the time but you will have done so while avoiding as much game as it is possible to avoid, I suppose.Exactly my point Tooms, agree 100%.
MongerForSex
03-31-19, 12:22
Exactly my point Tooms, agree 100%.I call it negotiation, when I fuck a hooker, I negociate the service. If you are good at negotiation, you pay less for better service. Game is used when you fuck a girl expecting nothing from you but just fun and pleasure.
I fuck regular girls and professional girls, there is a big difference between negotiation and game.
I call it negotiation, when I fuck a hooker, I negociate the service. If you are good at negotiation, you pay less for better service. Game is used when you fuck a girl expecting nothing from you but just fun and pleasure.
I fuck regular girls and professional girls, there is a big difference between negotiation and game.I get your point, but that depends on the environment of your pickup. Walking up to a street hooker and propositioning her for sex and negotiating the rate is exactly that, a negotiation. Street meat is usually up to 5's and 6's if anything anyway.
Trying to pull that approach on an 8, 9 or 10 in Thermae, Freelance clubs and Gogo's is a recipe for failure. You'll probably get shutdown more times than you can count. In these type of establishments jumping straight to negotiations without some form of rapport building and encouraging the girl that you're someone that she'll actually have a good time with, will lead to failure or a costly affair or terrible performance especially with the top girls. It's actually very logical, the hottest girls get the most enquiries from punters willing to pay their rate. Don't you think that they are also selective as to who they go with?
Like it has already been mentioned, if it was a purely negotiation based industry, everyone would be walking around with 8's, 9's and 10's. There has to be some element for consistently pulling top girls, and that element is your Game.
Mr Enternational
03-31-19, 13:41
Like it has already been mentioned, if it was a purely negotiation based industry, everyone would be walking around with 8's, 9's and 10's. There has to be some element for consistently pulling top girls, and that element is your Game.Buying a car is a purely negotiation based industry, yet you do not see everyone driving around in a Mercedes or Lexus. Just like P4P, if you walk in the door with enough money, anyone can get one. The problem is that you assume everyone wants one. Bill Gates is one of the richest men in the world, yet he drives around in a Toyota Prius or Ford pickup truck or something. Maybe he doesn't have enough game for them to sell him one of the luxury cars.
It is PAY for play, not game for play. Again, there is no need to weasel (or game) someone into YOU PAYING for their goods or services. That sounds ridiculous.
MongerForSex
03-31-19, 13:48
I get your point, but that depends on the environment of your pickup. Walking up to a street hooker and propositioning her for sex and negotiating the rate is exactly that, a negotiation. Street meat is usually up to 5's and 6's if anything anyway.
Trying to pull that approach on an 8, 9 or 10 in Thermae, Freelance clubs and Gogo's is a recipe for failure. You'll probably get shutdown more times than you can count. In these type of establishments jumping straight to negotiations without some form of rapport building and encouraging the girl that you're someone that she'll actually have a good time with, will lead to failure or a costly affair or terrible performance especially with the top girls. It's actually very logical, the hottest girls get the most enquiries from punters willing to pay their rate. Don't you think that they are also selective as to who they go with?
Like it has already been mentioned, if it was a purely negotiation based industry, everyone would be walking around with 8's, 9's and 10's. There has to be some element for consistently pulling top girls, and that element is your Game.There are also brothels in Brazil, I always build rapport when I fuck hooker but I still have to pay so I call it negotiation, pay for service or pay for play like Mr E said. To me, it's not game. As a medical professional, my clients build rapport but I still expect them to pay me. When you have a better rapport with your doctor, he treats you better like in every business (restaurant, hotel etc), the same happens to hooker, if your rapport is better, the hooker treats you better.
Mr Enternational
03-31-19, 13:59
There are also brothels in Brazil, I always build rapport when I fuck hooker but I still have to pay Many would say that Centaurus has the best looking girls in Rio. 8's, 9's, 10's. I think they made a big deal about Justin Beiber going there or something. Centaurus is a brothel where there is a certain price to be paid for the girls. When was the last time a chick in there turned a guy down from going upstairs to the room with him because he had the 500 reais or whatever it costs, but he had no game? Whether they are a 2 or a 10, hookers work for money, not for game.
Like it has already been mentioned, if it was a purely negotiation based industry, everyone would be walking around with 8's, 9's and 10's. Except that there are not enough 8's, 9's and 10's available for all the punters.
Franciscass
03-31-19, 16:28
Many would say that Centaurus has the best looking girls in Rio. 8's, 9's, 10's. I think they made a big deal about Justin Beiber going there or something. Centaurus is a brothel where there is a certain price to be paid for the girls. When was the last time a chick in there turned a guy down from going upstairs to the room with him because he had the 500 reais or whatever it costs, but he had no game? Whether they are a 2 or a 10, hookers work for money, not for game.We get it Mr E. Hookers work for money. What doesn't follow from that is that in demand girls will follow whoever puts down what she's asking for her. If she has choices which the so called 8's up have you will need something more than her fee to attract her. It may be looks / appearance, personality / humor, future sponsor potential and even this so called game whatever that may be. They may be lowly hookers in your estimation but they are also independent free willed individuals with choices.
Never met the guy but he did refer me to the "legendary" Claire, Miss Bottoms Contest Winner in Makati which I am grateful for. I think I would have enjoyed having San Migs with him. I, too, have ruffled some feathers on this board. Jackson even erased like a thousand of my posts (many of which were simply requests for big boob sightings and contact info haha). I'm still being moderated for reasons that have long since expired. But it's OK. I try to not be too abrasive to the offenders or just plain wrong posters but sometimes you got to do what you got to do. Anyway I think I've been on ISG for over 10 years now, made some friends and got a lot of great information on not just big boob sightings but taxis, hotels, airports, weather, etc. Really, the subscription has paid for itself many times over and I thank Jackson for not kicking me out permanently.I misspoke. It was Engine Driver not Monkey Paw that introduced me to Claire. Thanks, buddy.
MongerForSex
03-31-19, 16:34
Many would say that Centaurus has the best looking girls in Rio. 8's, 9's, 10's. I think they made a big deal about Justin Beiber going there or something. Centaurus is a brothel where there is a certain price to be paid for the girls. When was the last time a chick in there turned a guy down from going upstairs to the room with him because he had the 500 reais or whatever it costs, but he had no game? Whether they are a 2 or a 10, hookers work for money, not for game.I haven't been to Centaurius for a long time, I don't like it. I prefer solarium 4 by4 and other termas. In the termas, you don't negotiate the price but you negotiate the service. We can build rapport easily but a hooker is a hooker. 2's,3's,7's or 10's mean nothing, because we are all differents and we love women differently. As you stated, 10's women won't be chosen by everybody because they are not 10's for everybody. I have never been to Thailand but what I know a hooker is a hooker, they expect me to pay them.
Bdonkadonk
03-31-19, 19:38
I have never been to Thailand but ... This makes me a little curious, are you planning to go to Thailand anytime soon or at some other point in the future? I see that you are active in the Thailand and Pattaya threads so I guess that you have a wish to go to Thailand. If you ask me I would say that you should go by any means because it is so great there!
I just came back from a one month trip to Pattaya and it was so much fun. Some years ago I never thought that I would go but a friend of mine convinced me and it was the best thing that he could do. I know some guys (mongers) that I got to know in Rio de Janeiro that still hasn't been to Thailand and they are already in their early 60's. I am trying to convince them to go because I know that they will not regret going to Thailand / Pattaya.
MongerForSex
03-31-19, 20:12
This makes me a little curious, are you planning to go to Thailand anytime soon or at some other point in the future? I see that you are active in the Thailand and Pattaya threads so I guess that you have a wish to go to Thailand. If you ask me I would say that you should go by any means because it is so great there!
I just came back from a one month trip to Pattaya and it was so much fun. Some years ago I never thought that I would go but a friend of mine convinced me and it was the best thing that he could do. I know some guys (mongers) that I got to know in Rio de Janeiro that still hasn't been to Thailand and they are already in their early 60's. I am trying to convince them to go because I know that they will not regret going to Thailand / Pattaya.I had to go to Thailand in January but I went to China, Mongolia and North Korea instead of Thailand. I plan to go to Thailand in June 2019 at the latest September 2019. I am living in Brazil and travel to different countries because I like different cultures. Many things to visit in Thailand but I will also monger on the side. I plan to stay 6 weeks in Thailand.
Buying a car is a purely negotiation based industry, yet you do not see everyone driving around in a Mercedes or Lexus. Just like P4P, if you walk in the door with enough money, anyone can get one.Comparing the entire p4 p scene to purchasing a motor vehicle is a bit silly and isn't the best analogy imo. If I go to buy a vehicle, I do my homework on the vehicle, go check it out, take it for a test drive and return to sign the papers at the given price or negotiated price and the deal is done. If I go to a gogo, see a top 5 girl I like, call her over, buy her a LD, tell her I'd like to BF her, and she says okay, then goes on stage to perform and another chap calls her over, and the next thing I know, she decides to go with him instead, and I'm sitting there with a wtf look on my face. Similarly if I went to Thermae and walked up to a female I fancy, told her I'd give her the going rate of 2500 thb for ST, and get a No, then I bump it up to 3 k and get a No again, because she's just not interested, didn't like my approach or only goes with Asians. Point is you don't get a NO when buying a Mercedes Benz or Lexus given that you can afford it, and you certainly don't get a car salesman trying to sell the vehicle you just agreed to purchase, to someone else. Of course if you're exceptionally wealthy and offered the girl 10-20 k for ST, she'd probably go with you, no game needed. But you wouldn't pay extra to purchase a Mercedes or Lexus when you can get it at the going rate would you?
I have always said just to walk up to them and say lets go. If she is trying to earn something then she will go. If she is not then just move on to the next one.Using your car analogy and your own strategy as quoted above, if you went up to the car salesman and told him, I want this car will he say NO? Of course not! He wants to make the sale. But in your own admission, a WG may tell you NO when you tell her to go with you, in which case you move on to the next girl.
Most of the chicks that I mess with are freelance. Every now and then I will catch a chick that is freelancing and later find out they work at a gogo bar and it happened to be their day off.Your analogy would make more sense in the street freelancer, online freelancer arena, where there's only a negotiation on the price and no game is needed. And I believe that's where you yourself mentioned you monger anyway. Other p4 p scenes like the MP's, BJ Bars, Kapoo Clubs, Smooci, Escort agencies etc, I agree, there's absolutely no game needed, it's PAY for play, there's a set price, no negotiating and no games, you pay and they provide the agreed service, no questions asked.
But at Gogo's, Clubs and joints like Thermae, of course you can easily get laid, but not by the top girls in there consistently at a reasonable price.
The problem is that you assume everyone wants one.You're kidding right? Who doesn't want the hottest girl in a venue if she's within your budget. The question is, will she be willing to go with you or would she choose from the hoards of other mongers also able to pay and want a piece of her prime 9 or 10 ass. Like I asked without response in my previous post, Don't you think the top girls are also selective as to who they go with?
Bill Gates is one of the richest men in the world, yet he drives around in a Toyota Prius or Ford pickup truck or something. Maybe he doesn't have enough game for them to sell him one of the luxury cars.I get your drift, but again this is a weak analogy as it's quite well known that he owns fleets of super-cars, vintage and sports cars. But we could probably liken his wife to the Prius and his fleets to the 9's and 10's haha.
You're kidding right? Who doesn't want the hottest girl in a venue if she's within your budget. The question is, will she be willing to go with you .....My question has been "what's this Princess going to be like back in my room?
I've allready posted that I tend to avoid selecting the most stunning girl in the bar. My reason is very simple: I want a girl to provide an outstanding service not one who only looks great.
Of course I enjoy looking at an attractive girl but I know that the odds are that when she returns to the room her performance will not match that of her pretty but not 1 percenter girlfriends. I find that stunners tend to be less naturally out going in the bar, either very quiet, expecting to be courted or falsely extroverted, dancing and flirting up a storm. Both are serious alert signals to me that actual performance back in the room will be disappointing.
This conversation has focused on simply getting the stunner out the door of the bar rather than what a girl does in the bedroom. The former is required for anything to progress but I find the later the more important and satisfying.
There are also brothels in Brazil, I always build rapport when I fuck hooker but I still have to pay so I call it negotiation, pay for service or pay for play like Mr E said. To me, it's not game. As a medical professional, my clients build rapport but I still expect them to pay me. When you have a better rapport with your doctor, he treats you better like in every business (restaurant, hotel etc), the same happens to hooker, if your rapport is better, the hooker treats you better.Comparing your profession to a WG's profession regarding rapport and payment is also not an ideal comparison. Can a patient who's a first time consult build rapport with you and receive a discount? No! Can you build rapport with a Top WG and negotiate a better rate the first time you meet her? Yes! Can a patient willing to pay your fees be refused treatment? No! Can a top WG refuse your offer to pay the going rate? Yes! Having built up rapport with your repeat patient, will you give them free treatment? No! Having built up rapport with a repeat top WG, can you meet for a freebie or reduced rate session? Possibly Yes! if you've got game.
Nobody said anything about not paying on initial meetings, and I think you guys are confusing street hookers and brothels with top shelf gogo girls and beautiful ordinary girls that freelance on the side in the instance of Thermae, who can choose who they want to go with. If they don't fancy you, they don't even get to the point of discussing fees. They just say NO!.
I am just scared not to find a hot Thai woman because I watched many videos about pattaya on Youtube, I rarely saw hot Thai girls in Pattaya, the hottest Thai girls I saw were with Japanese and Korean clients. As you've mentioned above, the hottest Thai girls you saw were with Asian guys. Surely it's not because they've paid the girls more but perhaps it's the girls preference. But don't be discouraged, as it is possible to persuade these girls to try non-Asian foreigners. I personally achieved this and was a few girls first non-Asian foreigner which is documented in my trip reports, and I put it down to me having some sort of game.
Reading that you haven't been to Thailand yet, I also encourage you go check the scenes out, and have a blast. There's plenty to do and see, and plenty of girls to do and see.
My question has been "what's this Princess going to be like back in my room?
I've allready posted that I tend to avoid selecting the most stunning girl in the bar. My reason is very simple: I want a girl to provide an outstanding service not one who only looks great.
Of course I enjoy looking at an attractive girl but I know that the odds are that when she returns to the room her performance will not match that of her pretty but not 1 percenter girlfriends. I find that stunners tend to be less naturally out going in the bar, either very quiet, expecting to be courted or falsely extroverted, dancing and flirting up a storm. Both are serious alert signals to me that actual performance back in the room will be disappointing.
This conversation has focused on simply getting the stunner out the door of the bar rather than what a girl does in the bedroom. The former is required for anything to progress but I find the later the more important and satisfying.Personally I love the challenge. If a girl is a stunner but uptight, I like to break her down before we get into the sack. I'm a lot more playful, jovial and funny. I try to ease her tension and get her into a more comfortable zone by joking, teasing, bantering etc. Once she starts to respond, and sometimes this can take a while, it's going to be a good trip. I hardly put in that much effort with average girls, as usually I'd never want to repeat with them. But with a stunner, I definitely want to give her a good time, knowing she'll reciprocate in kind.
Bdonkadonk
03-31-19, 23:37
I had to go to Thailand in January but I went to China, Mongolia and North Korea instead of Thailand. I plan to go to Thailand in June 2019 at the latest September 2019. I am living in Brazil and travel to different countries because I like different cultures. Many things to visit in Thailand but I will also monger on the side. I plan to stay 6 weeks in Thailand.Six weeks in Thailand, that should be enough time to see different things and go to places that are worth going to. And also enough time to do some mongering in Thailand. I will keep a lookout for your reports when you are going in June or latest in September. I am curious to hear how you will like Pattaya when you will get there. It's especially interesting to hear from someone going to Pattaya for the first time, what you will think of the place.
.....If I go to a gogo, see a top 5 girl I like, call her over, buy her a LD, tell her I'd like to BF her, and she says okay, then goes on stage to perform and another chap calls her over, and the next thing I know, she decides to go with him instead, and I'm sitting there with a wtf look on my face.....The hypothetical you should have paid the BF before she got up. Any car (or girl) on the lot is for sale until cash is received. Repeated test drives (or drinks) mean nothing until a downpayment is received.
A while ago I was a regular patron of a primary dancer in a Philippine club. Gorgeous girl and bat-shit crazy enough to be spectacular in bed. The only down side was that she wasnt allowed to leave the premises before midnight. One night I walked in mid way through the evening and sat down. She got up from the table of guys buying her drinks and came over to me knowing I would BF her there and then. Which I immediately did saying I would be back later to collect her. She then went back to the guys expecting everything to be ok and for the drinking and flirting to continue. As I said, she wasn't the brightest. Needless to say her suitor erupted at her: "WTF was that? I've been buying you drinks all night". Her reply was simply "You snooze, you loose!
Maybe a prick act on my part but in many ways she was right. Just as there was nothing stopping her cementing a deal, there was nothing to stop her sitting there all night only to have John decide he was going home alone.
But with a stunner, I definitely want to give her a good time, knowing she'll reciprocate in kind.Valid point. I don't want to give the impression that I think NO stunner can be good in the sack.
I slept in as usual and surfaced to have a good walk around Soi Buakhao. There was a few beer bars behind LK Metro and many in the side Soi's. Lots of cheap massage joints and a strip of gents' barbers for those that enjoy a morning close shave. YouTube's Cheap Charlie was out taking shots / video of the Metro / Baukhoa area but I didn't stop as it would be a bad idea for me to be in a public video inspecting hooker bars. 😉.
Early evening I met up wih another subscriber and after we had a light dinner went back to Buakhao. In the evening hours they were still very quiet. I'm guessing the combination of low season and the approaching Songkran. Most of the bars were not worthy of a stop, full of older ladies. One of the side Sois did have a bar with pool tables and younger attractive girls so we stopped for drinks there. The girls were definitely cute but were sharing one neuron between the lot of them. He wanted ST (500+2000 B) and I LT (1000+4000 B) but after two games of pool my IQ was dropping by the minute in sympathy so we wandered off. It's a shame because the girls were sure attractive but I couldn't tolerate any more than a few minutes with them.
Enjoy. G.
Steve 9696
04-01-19, 00:43
I slept in as usual and surfaced to have a good walk around Soi Buakhao. There was a few beer bars behind LK Metro and many in the side Soi's. Lots of cheap massage joints and a strip of gents' barbers for those that enjoy a morning close shave. YouTube's Cheap Charlie was out taking shots / video of the Metro / Baukhoa area but I didn't stop as it would be a bad idea for me to be in a public video inspecting hooker bars. 😉.
Early evening I met up wih another subscriber and after we had a light dinner went back to Buakhao. In the evening hours they were still very quiet. I'm guessing the combination of low season and the approaching Songkran. Most of the bars were not worthy of a stop, full of older ladies. One of the side Sois did have a bar with pool tables and younger attractive girls so we stopped for drinks there. The girls were definitely cute but were sharing one neuron between the lot of them. He wanted ST (500+2000 B) and I LT (1000+4000 B) but after two games of pool my IQ was dropping by the minute in sympathy so we wandered off. It's a shame because the girls were sure attractive but I couldn't tolerate any more than a few minutes with them.
Enjoy. G.Dude you are the most patient guy on the planet. Hope you get laid soon. Do it for me!
Dude you are the most patient guy on the planet. Hope you get laid soon. Do it for me!Hahahah. I'd agree my posts haven't been the usual bull-in-a-China-shop typical of a new arrival. I've just come off 7 weeks in the Philippines so I've enjoyed bar hopping rather than desperately adding notches to the bed post.
No complaints from my side.
Cheers. G.
Buying a car is a purely negotiation based industry, yet you do not see everyone driving around in a Mercedes or Lexus. Just like P4P, if you walk in the door with enough money, anyone can get one. The problem is that you assume everyone wants one. Bill Gates is one of the richest men in the world, yet he drives around in a Toyota Prius or Ford pickup truck or something. Maybe he doesn't have enough game for them to sell him one of the luxury cars.
It is PAY for play, not game for play. Again, there is no need to weasel (or game) someone into YOU PAYING for their goods or services. That sounds ridiculous.The negotiation involved in buying a car is all about price. If you refuse to negotiate (play the game) and just hand them the full sticker price you will still get the same car the next negotiating fellow gets but for more money. Yes, even factoring in undercoating and the upgraded stereo.
Same with the purchase of a shirt at Robinsons, a Big Mac at McDs or any of the other comparisons and analogies to a P4P transaction the "I don't play games" side always makes. There is an equal, standard, expected and delivered result regardless of whether you chat first or say nothing at all, pay upfront or pay after they hand it to you, showered that morning or haven't showered in a month, etc.
But not so in the Thai P4P scene. Maybe in some unique brothel in another country. But not in Thailand with Thai girls. UNLESS, as I concluded in my previous post, you really don't care about the difference between having sex with a 2 vs a 10, only getting covered FS vs DFK+DATY+BBBJ+BBFS+CIP with some consistency. Otherwise, you'll need to play the game by negotiating, showering that morning, refusing to Pay Upfront, etc. for there to be any chance of you experiencing more of the latter than the former on a consistent basis.
I suppose getting only covered FS without any extras and with girls 6 or below is about as close to the kind of standard "shirt or Big Mac" result you can expect in the Thai P4P scene. Anyone ought to be able to cruise around town, point, only say "Let's go" and make that happen fairly consistently without applying more game to it than that.
MongerForSex
04-01-19, 03:29
To Siamsin.
Let's be simpler.
Hooker is a hooker. In Brazil, there are many clubs with many freelancers where you can negotiate the price especially in Sao Paulo.
Can you build rapport with a non working girl and negotiate a better rate the first time you meet her? No, she is not hooker.
Can a non working girl refuse your offer to pay the going rate? Yes, because she doesn't like to be considered like a hooker.
Can you meet a non working girl for a freebie or reduced rate session? No because she is not a hooker, you fuck her without paying cash the first time you had sex with. So no need to repeat to fuck for a freesbie.
I go to a good restaurant after 5 meals, they give me one free meal.
Don't forget, you only deal with hookers and they all need money, they need money for their farm, lazy husband or / and unwanted children. It's not because you are fat like teddy bear, you look like a member of yakuza or you have blue eyes with yellow hair, they will run after you. They just run after your wallet because they know you are a potential client.
In my other post (the best looking girls were with asian guys because I find they have better taste. But I also saw asian guys with hags). But that doesn't mean they are the best looking girls, I just find them better looking but other people will find them average. I prefer Vietnamese girls over Thai girls but Vietnam is a conservative country. Thailand has many things to offer outside of mongering. I am happy about my sexual life and live in the most open country when it comes to sex, sex is not tabboo here. I don't need travel miles only to have sex with farmers, Thailand is culturally rich, many activities to do, good food, good atmpsphere like scenes and many other things.
Exactly my point Tooms, agree 100%.Siamsin, the earlier incarnation of this kind of discussion was between the punters who said they hate to negotiate and punters like me who said but you are always negotiating a "better result" for yourself even if it is nothing more than a smile, a joke and flattering words.
It was posts like yours that helped further the point that all of these forms of negotiation are also playing the game.
As males we might long for the days when it was no more complicated than chasing down the females in the tall grass and pouncing on them. But civilized society forbids such a simple approach, even if you toss money at the lady.
Instead, we play games in the form of appearance, approach, demeanor, negotiation, charm, courting, kowtowing and money in some degree, even in strictly P4 P and regardless if we pound our chest and deny that we do.
Mr Enternational
04-01-19, 04:57
But not so in the Thai P4P scene. Maybe in some unique brothel in another country. But not in Thailand with Thai girls. UNLESS, as I concluded in my previous post, you really don't care about the difference between having sex with a 2 vs a 10, only getting covered FS vs DFK+DATY+BBBJ+BBFS+CIP with some consistency. Otherwise, you'll need to play the game by negotiating, showering that morning, refusing to Pay Upfront, etc. for there to be any chance of you experiencing more of the latter than the former on a consistent basis.You have changed the whole argument. The argument was about being able to pick up the hooker. You have changed it to getting the hooker to do the special things that you want. Not the same thing.
Crocodilexp
04-01-19, 05:58
Same with the purchase of a shirt at Robinsons, a Big Mac at McDs or any of the other comparisons and analogies to a P4P transaction the "I don't play games" side always makes. There is an equal, standard, expected and delivered result regardless of whether you chat first or say nothing at all, pay upfront or pay after they hand it to you, showered that morning or haven't showered in a month, etc.Mongering experiences have always been YYMV, after all it's not a Big Mac, but an interaction between two people where the chemistry varies. This is especially the case in Thailand, which was always about an extended interaction, rather than a 15-min one-and-done quick-bang brothels like many other places around the world.
However, here we are, on Pattaya thread, discussing how to charm working girls (beyond payment). That's just sad. Not too long ago (well under 10 years, maybe just 5 years), it was their job to charm us, and so they did. Most punters would have received a decent session with a hooker even if they had the all the charm of a wooden plank, looked decrepit with a beer gut, and had plenty of alcohol on their breath. Sure, not every session was the same, and yes, you would improve you chances slightly by grooming better and being somewhat nicer, but most of all by appearing as a good repeat or long term prospect. It wasn't your job to provide entertainment and endear yourself to the hookers, putting in effort to make things go smoothly. That was clearly their job.
MongerForSex
04-01-19, 10:37
You have changed the whole argument. The argument was about being able to pick up the hooker. You have changed it to getting the hooker to do the special things that you want. Not the same thing.The game changed to the negotiation. Totally different.
You have changed the whole argument. The argument was about being able to pick up the hooker. You have changed it to getting the hooker to do the special things that you want. Not the same thing.No I didn't. My reply to the idea of simply getting a girl to "go with you" vs getting something good out of her rather than basic covered FS goes all the way back to my post #27773. Other posters chimed in on that issue and that is where the "argument" has been ever since. And it even applies to your post about not "understanding why men court or kowtow" to a hooker. Now you know why they do that; because most of us aren't interested in taking a victory lap simply because we got a hooker to "go with us". Getting that to happen is not difficult at all if you don't really expect or demand much for your money.
The game changed to the negotiation. Totally different.What is your concept of "game" again? That some dude walks into a go-go bar all rowdy and loud or serious and hypnotic, buys drinks for everyone, does a 20 minute stand-up comedy routine or throws a magical zap at the crowd and suddenly five go-go dancers offer themselves for free?
Never seen it happen. Nobody has "game" like that.
Knowing when, where, how and with whom to negotiate is all part of the game. Anything you do in order to improve your results above point and pay is game. Anything you do to improve your results is part of the negotiation. Virtually no difference between the two. Your best negotiators begin negotiating mentally before they even WALK into a bar. It is intrinsically part of their game. Do you think a negotiation only begins if you invite a girl to sit across a table and start checking off a list of requirements? Such a punter would probably be a lousy negotiator and rarely get what he wants.
UNLESS all he wants is to get a girl to "go with him". geeze, I can't believe I had to type out that previous sentence to clarify the point. lol. But I guess I had to.
Mongering experiences have always been YYMV, after all it's not a Big Mac, but an interaction between two people where the chemistry varies. This is especially the case in Thailand, which was always about an extended interaction, rather than a 15-min one-and-done quick-bang brothels like many other places around the world.
However, here we are, on Pattaya thread, discussing how to charm working girls (beyond payment). That's just sad. Not too long ago (well under 10 years, maybe just 5 years), it was their job to charm us, and so they did. Most punters would have received a decent session with a hooker even if they had the all the charm of a wooden plank, looked decrepit with a beer gut, and had plenty of alcohol on their breath. Sure, not every session was the same, and yes, you would improve you chances slightly by grooming better and being somewhat nicer, but most of all by appearing as a good repeat or long term prospect. It wasn't your job to provide entertainment and endear yourself to the hookers, putting in effort to make things go smoothly. That was clearly their job.I agree. And I think the creeping decline came about in large part because the girls kept testing the waters to see how little they could get away with providing and still get paid. It turned out to be pretty damn little with the newer generation of mongers. Eventually, it was for no more than "going with the customer". Punters are taking victory laps just for THAT. Consequently, now there are girls who line up in front of Soi Cowboy bars looking for all the world like yesterday's go-go dancer hookers whose "job" today is to merely "go with the customer", have drinks with him, maybe dinner, but NO sex involved.
Meanwhile, most punters feel under great pressure to negotiate price and seem to think applying all their efforts to that is the end of it. There is very little about what they're going to get for it. IMO, that is a major part of the problem and not the solution.
Mr Enternational
04-01-19, 14:31
It wasn't your job to provide entertainment and endear yourself to the hookers, putting in effort to make things go smoothly. That was clearly their job.LOL. That was my whole point. The seller is supposed to be impressing the buyer, not the buyer impressing the seller. Now you got guys giving tips on how a trick can win over a hooker. How did the game get switched around?
Mr Enternational
04-01-19, 14:55
No I didn't. My reply to the idea of simply getting a girl to "go with you" vs getting something good out of her rather than basic covered FS goes all the way back to my post #27773. Other posters chimed in on that issue and that is where the "argument" has been ever since. And it even applies to your post about not "understanding why men court or kowtow" to a hooker. Now you know why they do that; because most of us aren't interested in taking a victory lap simply because we got a hooker to "go with us". Getting that to happen is not difficult at all if you don't really expect or demand much for your money.Must be the YMMV thing. Of all the hookers I have fucked in Thailand you have seen me complaining about the service of probably none. For some reason I always get great service from a chick without kissing her ass. I also never hear about people in my circle having to kiss ass or cater to a hooker in order to get good service. I always figured great service was the whole point of Thailand. That is why I had to ask G what is it that chicks are doing or not doing to make the session bad.
The way you are talking every chick you run into is like a Tijuana street girl where you have to specify each individual thing you want to do with her upfront. Only thing I have ever found the need to do that with is anal. And even still I have not had to buy a ton of drinks or pay extra money for such. Maybe that is why I am not understanding. We have totally different experiences.
HorseTrader
04-01-19, 15:01
LOL. That was my whole point. The seller is supposed to be impressing the buyer, not the buyer impressing the seller. Now you got guys giving tips on how a trick can win over a hooker. How did the game get switched around?In an ideal world the seller tries to impress the buyer, but that isn't always reality in this hobby. Think of the case where a young, good looking Asian man walks around Thermae; many of the hottest girls smile at him. Now think of the case where a fat old farang does the same thing; the same girls look the other direction. This happened to me at Lords Palace when I picked a top end girl and mama told me she only goes with young Korean men.
It's more than just "no money, no honey." A few of the fat old farangs have charm and find a way to get more fun from the same girl than other fat old farangs. Same general concept with working girls and non working girls.
If you met MP you would know nothing upsets him.
He's open to meet any doubters about who he is or what he does.
I don't agree with some things MP says or does but I do have mega respect for the ONLY guy in Pattaya who actually knows more Walking Street gogo girls than I do.The last time I seen him, he is still at fucking the hottest chicks walking street and Pattaya has to offer, real deal person, any body else have a photo of themselves parting in Baccara? If so please show, it's near impossible.
I have and seen photos of nuns and orphanage with money given to them, I'm just saying!
MongerForSex
04-01-19, 18:30
I can't believe I had to type out that previous sentence to clarify the point. lol. But I guess I had to.Believe it because typing is a good game.
Must be the YMMV thing. Of all the hookers I have fucked in Thailand you have seen me complaining about the service of probably none. For some reason I always get great service from a chick without kissing her ass. I also never hear about people in my circle having to kiss ass or cater to a hooker in order to get good service. I always figured great service was the whole point of Thailand. That is why I had to ask G what is it that chicks are doing or not doing to make the session bad.
The way you are talking every chick you run into is like a Tijuana street girl where you have to specify each individual thing you want to do with her upfront. Only thing I have ever found the need to do that with is anal. And even still I have not had to buy a ton of drinks or pay extra money for such. Maybe that is why I am not understanding. We have totally different experiences.Well, if by "kissing her ass and catering to her" you mean some of the tips for improved negotiation skills/game you've read and by "in my circle" you mean posters on this site, I believe you have read and heard of a lot of people not particularly impressed by the quality of service they get in the Thai P4P scene.
Re-read the original post that kicked off just this latest discussion and you will find the issue of merely getting a girl to "go with him" was a minor portion of it. As was his paying the money for it. So much for that "money gets it done" adage. Not fully, not in Thailand and most likely not if you pay the money upfront to Thai FLs. Instead, most of his issues were about improving his results after getting the girl in his room or being alone with her in a massage shop.
He got a couple of Beach Road girls and at least one night club girl to "go with him". But, unlike you apparently, what he got for his money was nothing to write home about, at best. Paying Upfront, the girl laying down new rules in the room, typical pitfalls.
Yes, some of the girls in the bars would not engage with him. But it seems the greater reason he did not arrange to have the girls who DID engage with him to "go with him" was because he wanted something more than standard fare from them (LT) and was not willing to pay the 5000+ baht they were quoting.
Sounded to me like a perfect candidate for advice on honing his negotiation skills/game, unless he has since discovered only pointing and saying "Let's go" produces results he can't complain about with the kind of girls worth the air fare to Thailand.
But I am inclined to suspect that isn't the case.
Banana Boi
04-01-19, 20:19
any body else have a photo of themselves parting in Baccara?Next time focus on the naked girl and not a bunch of gang bangers!
First night in Pattaya. Just wanted to explore the area and nothing else. But somehow found myself in front of windmill.
Good crowed for Monday. Very bored looking girls on stage. 3 groups of Indian tourists on ground floor and 2 on first. So, couldn't find a suitable seat. Went upstairs, same situation, came back down and sat on shower / bath side. This was moment when an embarrassed looking German guy was invited to use some veges on one of the girls.
Finally saw two better looking ladies on table near the stairs. Grabbed a stool, and found myself staring a clean bare vagina. Number 154, 253 or 153, 253. Finishes their dance and sat with me. Found two sets on nice firms buttocks in my hands. Rubbing was not only welcomed it was invited as well. After a couple of minutes felt some noistness on my right hand. Must have hit some spot. 3 some was offered but politely declined. Too tired for anything else. Service girl requested a drink I said if you can go on stage I will buy you one.
Girls sat there with me for about 20 min and then went to do their duo on stage. Good chemistry between the two. One of them said she has a long dildo that both can use together.
Damage. Paid 169 b for my chivas, 520 for another chivas and 2 LD. Left 80 b tip for serving girl.
Next time focus on the naked girl and not a bunch of gang bangers!That was the purpose of the pic, the girls! I see still not the brightest one! LOL.
To Siamsin.
Let's be simpler.
Hooker is a hooker. In Brazil, there are many clubs with many freelancers where you can negotiate the price especially in Sao Paulo.
Can you build rapport with a non working girl and negotiate a better rate the first time you meet her? No, she is not hooker.
Can a non working girl refuse your offer to pay the going rate? Yes, because she doesn't like to be considered like a hooker.
Can you meet a non working girl for a freebie or reduced rate session? No because she is not a hooker, you fuck her without paying cash the first time you had sex with. So no need to repeat to fuck for a freesbie.
First the comparison to material objects like vehicles, then the comparison to a healthcare profession, now a comparison to ordinary girls vs hookers regarding if any game is required. We're going around in circles here boys. I've already agreed that Game is required for ordinary women here:
Game goes beyond WG's in that you're able to pull ordinary chicks from just about anywhere. It works especially well in Thailand where sex, sexual preferences and sexuality is openly accepted. Thai girls are far more liberal when it comes to sex and 1 night stands with foreigners, so having good game definitely helps.
Every single 1 of us has and uses some sort of game whether we know it or not. It's not just what you say to women, but everything about you, before you even say a word. Your demeanor, body language, attire, build, hygiene, multilingualism ability, scent, aura, approach etc. Hot girls get hit on every single day of their lives. Be it walking around the mall, in their neighborhoods, at work, gym, out with friends, on their social media accounts, everywhere... Having good game allows you to stand out from the crowd, be noticed, banter, and bed the girl you desire.So your below points:
Can you build rapport with a non working girl and negotiate a better rate the first time you meet her? No, she is not hooker.
Can a non working girl refuse your offer to pay the going rate? Yes, because she doesn't like to be considered like a hooker.
Can you meet a non working girl for a freebie or reduced rate session? No because she is not a hooker, you fuck her without paying cash the first time you had sex with. So no need to repeat to fuck for a freesbie.
Are irrelevant as it proves nothing other than what I've already confirmed. Or are you debating about something other than game now?
And just to clear things up a bit, Dr MongerForSex who hasn't been to Thailand, never been to Thermae, never been to a Gogo bar or a Thai freelancer club is disagreeing with experiences that Tooms and I experienced in Thailand, at Gogo bars at Thermae. Then we have Mr E who mongers nearly exclusively with freelancers when in Pattaya also disagreeing with our experiences at Gogo bars and Thermae.
I think we need to compare apples with apples boys, not apples with Jabuticaba and Durian fruit.
Thailand is culturally rich, many activities to do, good food, good atmpsphere like scenes and many other things.100% Agree.
This is a healthy debate, albeit frustrating for other members who just want to view reports on what's happening in Pattaya. So let's just clear things up as to what the debate is all about. Is Game necessary to pick up the best looking hookers, at reasonable rates, for your requirements or is money and negotiating all that counts in the Thailand p4 p scene's?
To answer this question we need to breakdown the Thailand p4 p scene (I may have forgotten a few but it's only my opinion & experience BTW):
(1). Escort Service websites, Smooci, MP's, Kapoo clubs, Brothels, BJ Bars.
- No Game necessary, no Negotiations involved. Set fees & services offered.
- Potentially the most expensive form of p4 p.
- Girls work for a business / company.
(In general, you can be whoever or whatever, if the girl is available you pay the prescribed rate and you play. With Smooci for example, the girl has no idea who she is meeting, what he looks like, where he's from etc, she arrives, you fuck, you pay.)(2). Online Freelancers & Street Freelancers.
- Bare minimum Game, Negotiations possible. Fees flexible & requirements discussed.
- Potentially the most cost effective form of p4 p.
- Girls are independent.
- How is there game involved Online (TF for example)?
If the punter has no profile photo or an obvious fake profile photo you wouldn't get a response from the girl, so create a profile, add a few decent pics and an interesting description.
If you're vulgar or rude, again no response / blocked, so chat respectfully, no dick pics yet and be polite.
If you don't seem genuine or you come across as a time waster by asking her for nude pics etc, she will easily decline and stop chatting, so don't beat around the Bush, discuss the requirements and rate and send her your location so she know's you're genuine.
- How is there game involved with Street Freelancers?
If the punter looks like a bum / hobo who hasn't showered for days, he'll probably get turned down but 1 - 4's may accept, so have a shower at least once a day and dress presentably.
If the punter is abusive, vulgar, rude he may get turned down by the 5's & 6's, the 1 - 4's may accept, so don't be a jerk, be respectful she maybe a hooker but she's human)(3). Gogo Bars, Bars, Freelancer Clubs & Thermae.
- Some Game at least, Negotiations possible. Fees flexible & requirements discussed.
- Average to expensive.
- Girls are independent (But in some venues, employed and have to get drinks sold).
- How is there game involved?
Girls can easily reject you or give excuses not to go with you, yet go with someone else unlike the girls from number (1) on the list.
At Thermae most of the girls there have regular day jobs so they don't depend on selling their bodies to make ends meet. They go there for extra cash, the 8's, 9's & 10's are selective who they go with and may only frequent Thermae a few times a month. Some girls reject guys to their faces without even discussing a financial transaction, and I'm talking from experience. But if you've got some game, you can pull some of these girls too. At the gogo's, Tooms game includes persuading a 7+ girl for DFK+DATY+BBBJ+BBFS+CIP which generally is a difficult feat and then negotiating all that for usually around 4000 thb ST including BF and drinks, he's even dropped hints and tips as to when and at what time of the month he would go to certain spots as part of his strategy.So to summarize, there's no negotiations or game required for Number (1).
Imo, most travelling guys who just want to get laid in Thailand use these avenues. Some of these are great day mongering options, are very discreet and work well for a monger holidaying with a spouse. I've seen some websites where girls go for.
12 000 thb+ for ST and over 30 k LT.
With just a little bit of game and negotiation skills you can easily get girls within your budget from Number (2). Most of these girls rely on p4 p to get by and I found it more so the case in Pattaya (Online Freelancers) as opposed to BKK.
In comparison, options at Number (3) are obviously a lot more fun, vibey, social, rowdy, scenic etc. Most guys can get what they want here but not necessarily who they want and with the requirements they want without playing the game and having game.
Need "game" to get extras from a prostitute. Read that 10 times over. Are you trying to get laid or trying to get the feels?
No one on this forum has game. Clearly the Korean guy, who many on this forum labeled as "5 inches, 5 minutes, 5000 baht", has the most game here. Think about that for a moment.
Congrats, you just agreed with a prostitute to CIM or BBFS or just a hand job. You both agreed to a price. Or well, you can call it "having game" if it makes you feel better.
P4P. Where the prostitute puts herself out for sex and expect you to ask for it, but you have "game" when she agrees to have sex for money. Thus, every monger in Thailand has "game".
Dinner was pork ribs at Surprise Ribs. It's a little, hole-in-the-wall place just off Buahkao on Soi21 Alley. Great food and dirt cheap.
We then went on an epic walking recon of the southern end of Buahkao down to Walking Street via South Rd. There were numerous small bars and restaurants but all were very quiet. WS was just starting to open up but was still very busy with lots of tour group foot traffic. We grabbed a beer and a barstool at the first beer bar and noticed numerous cuties walking straight past us to the back of the building so we relocated to Utopia Bar down the back near the water front. Lots very cute girls with absolutely no social interaction at all. There were 20 staff around the bar and literally all of them were sitting with their backs to the customers, not saying or doing anything. The guy next to us confirmed that except being asked who he wanted to barfine, they hadn't said anything to him at all. To cap it off, my drinking budy was thrown out for not drinking fast enough!! I guess he was supposed to be slamming down drinks while staring at the backs of motionless statues?? I considered going home to put on some nice shoes and aftershave to see if I could break their icey facade and convince them to take my money and fuck me but instead decided to head back to LK Metro. There, at the gogos I hadn't covered the previous night, even in my shorts and sandles I was recognized as "so hansome" and soon bathed in bodies. Lots of groping, boobage and general debauchery. I'll admit I was ignored by the "models" at a couple of bars as there were guys flooding girls with drinks by the tray.
Enjoy. G.
P. S. : not too sure how often it happens but at Pulse GoGo in LK Metro I was served a SanMig Light that was off. Everywhere else the SMLs were fine. A little too nice. 😁.
This is a healthy debate, albeit frustrating for other members who just want to view reports on what's happening in Pattaya. So let's just clear things up as to what the debate is all about. Is Game necessary to pick up the best looking hookers, at reasonable rates, for your requirements or is money and negotiating all that counts in the Thailand p4 p scene's?
...I generally agree with your summary on this. Of course, I am one of those who believes your negotiating skills are part of your game, not something separate.
I would add that if any of those options were really all about Money and only Money with no negotiating skills/game required, then the OP on this particular discussion would not have had a problem worth mentioning at all. He not only paid fairly, he OVER paid. If paying more money meant getting more of what you want in the Thai P4P scene, then the girls he picked up on Beach Road should have rocked his world in hopes that he would want to take them again and hand them another 2,000 baht for a ST. But they didn't. In fact, they gave him either middling and forgettable sessions or quite lousy ones. No surprise and nothing rare about that for punters who have at least some higher than basic standard needs and demands from the girls. These threads are full of Field Reports where punters not only pay a fair amount of money but more often than not OVER pay and still wind up with a crappy experience. That includes all the options you listed as supposedly requiring little or no game.
Also, we seem to now have near unanimous eye-witness testimony that seeing men who automatically and immediately look typically Indian (in a country where there is a well-known ethnic bias against Indians) walking out of go-go bars and night clubs hand-in-hand or otherwise suggesting they are clearly on their way to a ST session with an 8, 9 or 10 Thai girl is somewhere between never seen before and extremely rarely seen. Consequently, it is logical to conclude there are simply some unchangeable conditions that will require some punters to compromise on their choices. Same with guys like me who cannot engage in sex wearing a condom. I could spend a lot of time and money exclusively cultivating 8's, 9's, and 10's up for that with me. And it does happen on occasion just as I assume obviously Indian-looking men score top girls occasionally under certain conditions. But it would be a very heavy lift involving a lot of buzz kill disappointments to just focus on the top girls for that. For me, that is.
Dinner was pork ribs at Surprise Ribs. It's a little, hole-in-the-wall place just off Buahkao on Soi21 Alley. Great food and dirt cheap.
We then went on an epic walking recon of the southern end of Buahkao down to Walking Street via South Rd. There were numerous small bars and restaurants but all were very quiet. WS was just starting to open up but was still very busy with lots of tour group foot traffic. We grabbed a beer and a barstool at the first beer bar and noticed numerous cuties walking straight past us to the back of the building so we relocated to Utopia Bar down the back near the water front. Lots very cute girls with absolutely no social interaction at all. There were 20 staff around the bar and literally all of them were sitting with their backs to the customers, not saying or doing anything. The guy next to us confirmed that except being asked who he wanted to barfine, they hadn't said anything to him at all. To cap it off, my drinking budy was thrown out for not drinking fast enough!! I guess he was supposed to be slamming down drinks while staring at the backs of motionless statues?? I considered going home to put on some nice shoes and aftershave to see if I could break their icey facade and convince them to take my money and fuck me but instead decided to head back to LK Metro. There, at the gogos I hadn't covered the previous night, even in my shorts and sandles I was recognized as "so hansome" and soon bathed in bodies. Lots of groping, boobage and general debauchery. I'll admit I was ignored by the "models" at a couple of bars as there were guys flooding girls with drinks by the tray.
Enjoy. G.Good to hang out with you G -.
Even with your handsomeness. Those girls never turned their to interact with us. F that, if I couldn't drink fast enough for their golden p**sies. As previous poster said. There is nothing I am doing to impress them. Come earn your bhat!
Those girls never turned their to interact with us. F that, if I couldn't drink fast enough for their golden p**sies. As previous poster said. There is nothing I am doing to impress them. Come earn your bhat!LK Metro was much better. It was basically a positive reinforcement loop: I was having a good time so happy to buy some drinks. This loosened up the girl (s) so they were happy to give me a face full of titties or a fist full of mutt. None were exactly hard on the eyes.
Except KINK. They were a bit rough but allowed essentially anything.
MongerForSex
04-02-19, 13:16
To Siansim and Tooms.
Why don't you go to regular bars in Pattaya to pick up girls? Why are you only talking about picking up and negotiating the service with the girls from GOGO bars? So that means you are good at games and picking up girls because you are good at negotiation and suducing hookers you are going to pay. ? As a Brazilian, I like to paly games and like to waste hookers time all the time. I often waste hookers time without having sex with them. I will do the same in Pattaya.
I don't know your life but if you can share some tips how to pick up girls in regular clubs without paying cash, I would say I am wrong.
To Siansim and Tooms.
Why don't you go to regular bars in Pattaya to pick up girls? Why are you only talking about picking up and negotiating the service with the girls from GOGO bars? So that means you are good at games and picking up girls because you are good at negotiation and suducing hookers you are going to pay. ? As a Brazilian, I like to paly games and like to waste hookers time all the time. I often waste hookers time without having sex with them. I will do the same in Pattaya.
I don't know your life but if you can share some tips how to pick up girls in regular clubs without paying cash, I would say I am wrong.For me, I am not a fan of Pattaya much to begin with. I have been there several times over the years, barfined girls from go-go bars, taken a couple of freelancers off Beach Road, cruised up and down Soi 6, taken a couple of girls from there, too. Have gone into a couple of clubs. But each recent trip I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of girls I see worth taking for any price. And I'm not just talking about the red light venues. I'm talking about regular, non pro girls working in the big malls, too. The only exception was I might have seen as many as 6 hot girls strolling around the new Terminal 21 mall a few months ago. Probably visiting tourists, not locals. 20-25 years ago, Pattaya was my destination of choice in Thailand. I spent many weeks per year there for several years in a row. Liked it. But not these days.
The main reason I mention go-go bars in Pattaya at all is because I suppose the "best" looking direct P4P girls in the city work in them. Still can't recall more than one or two I have seen on any one trip over the past 5-6 years that I would take. BTW, I am not talking just about their looks. I see girls in Pattaya who look ok physically. I am including their demeanor, attitude, general presentation. And the other reason I mentioned them in this discussion was because one of the challenges the OP asked about was the prospect of picking up girls in the bars. I assumed he meant at least some go-go bars.
I didn't say anything about getting girls in regular clubs to go with me for free. Not sure what that question was about.
Banana Boi
04-02-19, 15:21
As a Brazilian, I like to paly games and like to waste hookers time all the time. I often waste hookers time without having sex with them. I will do the same in Pattaya.
I don't know your life but if you can share some tips how to pick up girls in regular clubs without paying cash, I would say I am wrong.Anxiously awaiting your success stories in Pattaya. When are you making your first trip again?
I have read posts by some guys lamenting the fact that a dude requires game when pursuing a working girl. The fact is that if you are young and handsome the provider will give you better service than she will an old and ugly gent. Nevertheless an aging obese bloke can get the same good service from a courtesan as an Alex Pettyfer lookalike if he can, for example, make her laugh or generally feel very comfortable. The same rule that applies to civilians applies to hookers.
Mr Enternational
04-02-19, 16:08
I didn't say anything about getting girls in regular clubs to go with me for free. Not sure what that question was about.Because as said before, most consider game to be used with women one does not need to pay. Maybe I missed it, but I still have not seen explained how to use game with a hooker. How do I get the hooker that does not want to suck my dick without a condom or does not want to do anal to change her mind?
Why don't you go to regular bars in Pattaya to pick up girls? Why are you only talking about picking up and negotiating the service with the girls from GOGO bars? Good question. The "stunners" and "10/10's" being mentioned are girls that would not get a second look at by locals. Speak to any Thai, Pinoy or Indonesian guy and he will express his shock at the quality of the girls that foreigners pay top money for.
Just look at the quality of local boyfriends that these girls can attract outside of work.
I've often said that Mongers consider that they are getting the best of the best but the reality is that we occupy the middle market, too scared of the true low end and rarely / never invited to the true top end girls.
Enjoy. G.
Because as said before, most consider game to be used with women one does not need to pay. Maybe I missed it, but I still have not seen explained how to use game with a hooker. How do I get the hooker that does not want to suck my dick without a condom or does not want to do anal to change her mind?Smiling obviously. LOL.
Houston Player
04-02-19, 20:34
How do I get the hooker that does not want to suck my dick without a condom or does not want to do anal to change her mind?YOU don't change her mind because you have no game or YOU don't think that having game will change her mind. Guys with game get her to change her mind and do what he wants or at least try when it comes to anal.
I'm just kidding you but you walked right into that one. I don't know what we should call it but there is definitely YMMV with many hookers and some guys are able to get better sessions than others.
I was confined to quarters for most of the day. Torrential morning rain and the following flooded streets made the area outside the hotel essentially impassable. Enough water was dumped that it was flowing up out of the drains, not into them and away. God knows what else was also flushed out. If the smell was bad before, it was much worse in the afternoon. Talk about a cess pit.
I fell asleep early but woke up at 2 am with an urge to head out. When I did arrive at a LK Metro gogo Groundhog Day hit me like a freight train. No offence intended to anyone but I was looking at the same guys, watching the same girls asking the same questions or dancing the same dances. I suddenly felt like 20 years of this shit was getting to me. I'm usually a pretty positive guy but that night it was "what are you doing here?
I didn't want to leave in a downer and 3 am closing time was fast approaching so I walked around to Kink determined to cheer myself up. Surprisingly, there the crazy mood did lift my spirits. The shows were that bit more over the top, the girls were that bit more attentive and there were a few that were actually quite attractive. BJs were being had, chicks were getting fingered and ice cubes were being shot out of orifices from the stage. Not the wildest night I've had but gratefully enough to repair my mood.
I should emphasize that I'm not making a judgement call on anyone or insulting them. It's just at the start of that particular night the repetition over many years got to me. It was good to see that it didn't last and I did snap out of it.
Cheers. G.
Because as said before, most consider game to be used with women one does not need to pay. Maybe I missed it, but I still have not seen explained how to use game with a hooker. How do I get the hooker that does not want to suck my dick without a condom or does not want to do anal to change her mind?You're buying into the MonkeyPaw pitch about "game" being some lofty, grand, magical quality that only he and a few lucky punters who come under his wing for instructions can master. I don't. BTW, I noticed MonkeyPaw disappeared from these threads not very long after two of his "under my wing" punters returned from a few days' time spent with him in Pattaya and neither had reports about "top girls" giving them wonderful sex in the room for any amount of money. In fact, their Field Reports sounded very much like what I'd been saying about Pattaya in general and was slammed for it here. Coincidence? Who cares. But I digress.
I have never said or implied that game was so powerful or rather needed to be so powerful anyone who mastered it could walk into a bar or nightclub, throw a hypnotic zap at the crowd and 5 girls will offer themselves for free. LOL. That is too great and grand a notion of game, imo.
As I stated in a previous post listing some of the things I consider game, it can simply be an element of your negotiation skills. It can be as simple as walking into a bar or up to a girl smiling rather than looking like a sour puss. And THAT move is also a negotiation technique whether you recognize it as such or not. Every car salesmen you ever met on a showroom (as long as that is the analogy of choice these days) knows it and is applying it to HIS negotiation with you. YOU might assume he is smiling because someone just told him a joke and that it has nothing to do with the way he is trying to negotiate a sale with you this very moment. But you would be wrong in that assumption, imo. He knows it is part of his negotiation skills. Part of his game.
To be more specific about your question regarding getting a hooker who does not want to give you or almost any other customer a BBBJ to change her mind, THAT is where your approaching her with a smile instead of a face like death comes into play. You try to create an atmosphere where it isn't so much that you have suddenly made her want to suck your dick (although a smile helps with that, too) but where she can't bring herself to step on your enthusiasm for the events to follow and will be more inclined to go along with it down the line. Now, that is a million dollar sales training concept right there. No charge for ISG members.
In my case, I tend to get the issues of suck or no suck, CIM or no CIM, boom boom no condom or whatever settled before I agree to take the girl. That is MY game, MY form of negotiation. I am generally not a "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" punter.
So, it could go something like this:
"You take me (or barfine me) now?"
"Maybe. What would we do in the room?"
"What? lol. Everything. I do everything for you."
"Everything? Great. I like everything. Boom boom no condom."
"What? How much you pay me?"
Or:
"You take me (or barfine me) now? 3000 Short Time (or 1000 on the street)".
"Oh, pang pang (expensive). Noi, I would give you 2,000 if boom boom no condom."
"2,500".
"Hmm. 2,500 if you are very sweet with me and there is no hurry".
"Ok".
Or if she says no, I smile, thank her for her time and move on to the next one. Underscoring all of it is the smile and the message that I am a kind, fun, easy going person who does not NEED her to agree to anything since there are so many others who WILL do what I want. That is part of MY game, part of MY negotiation technique and, Mr. Enternational, I know it is part of yours, too, right? You don't know how many girls you approached that way changed their mind about sucking your dick based solely on your game, the way you approached them. But I am betting quite a few.
Smiling obviously. LOL.Well, you might be joking about that, but if you look around you will see a LOT of punters approaching these girls looking very sour and dour, as serious as a heart attack. Scary. The thought of turning that sour puss into a smile must be damned daunting to a lot of girls and many probably just wave it off as too much work for the money.
The smile has to genuinely represent a fun, easy-going demeanor and mood you are already in when you approach her and one that she would much rather be part of on this night than with very unhappy-looking Olaf over there. Yes, even if Olaf is known to pay 500 baht more for the drudgery of spending time with him. With many, many Thai girls, that smile and genuinely happier demeanor works like flipping a light switch on.
You're buying into the MonkeyPaw pitch about "game" being some lofty, grand, magical quality that only he and a few lucky punters who come under his wing for instructions can master. I don't. BTW, I noticed MonkeyPaw disappeared from these threads not very long after two of his "under my wing" punters returned from a few days' time spent with him in Pattaya and neither had reports about "top girls" giving them wonderful sex in the room for any amount of money. In fact, their Field Reports sounded very much like what I'd been saying about Pattaya in general and was slammed for it here. Coincidence? Who cares. But I digress.
The last time I seen him, he is still at fucking the hottest chicks walking street and Pattaya has to offer, real deal person, any body else have a photo of themselves parting in Baccara? If so please show, it's near impossible.
I have and seen photos of nuns and orphanage with money given to them, I'm just saying!Seriously MonkeyPaw has't posted in 3 months but said his 333rd post was his "last" post, if I remembered. He said ending at #333 had special meaning for him. Why are you still hung over him so bad and can't let go? Even when I just posted that we had a blast when we met up in Pattaya at Baccara. We even were so privileged to have management take a photo of us inside the club, breaking all no photos rules as the girls just looked on. This is called respect and we only had a bill of less than 1000 baht between 3 guys. At Palace, he did the impossible by getting the top 2 hottest girls of all Walking Street to come off the stage and sit with him just for 1 big drink and to chat with him and each other. It showed that they dislike one another but still did it because it was him. So I'm thinking a few are still blind and don't want to admit it.
Well, you might be joking about that, but if you look around you will see a LOT of punters approaching these girls looking very sour and dour, as serious as a heart attack. Scary. The thought of turning that sour puss into a smile must be damned daunting to a lot of girls and many probably just wave it off as too much work for the money.
The smile has to genuinely represent a fun, easy-going demeanor and mood you are already in when you approach her and one that she would much rather be part of on this night than with very unhappy-looking Olaf over there. Yes, even if Olaf is known to pay 500 baht more for the drudgery of spending time with him. With many, many Thai girls, that smile and genuinely happier demeanor works like flipping a light switch on.OK well, you're talking about a smaller segment of punters here. Majority of them are happy to be on vacation and generally in a good mood being in a gogo bar with naked dancers. It's tough to respond to your posts when it leans to the extremes. In another post you replied to me on, you spoke about getting 2's. This is just a topic that we will have to agree to disagree.
It's also tough to give credit to "game" when extra money is being paid for a not so common service like BBFS and A+. For example, the girls at the gogo bars and at a place like Thermae have already targeted the Korean or Japanese guys who undoubtedly also experienced BBFS and A+. Maybe some of these guys have "game" or maybe they're just spending more money. But they definitely don't speak the spoken language for me to give any credit to any type of verbal communication to receive extra services themselves that would require convincing since numbers and thus money is a universal language. After all, BBFS, A+, CIP / M isn't exclusive to western cultures.
Now, I'm not saying these Asian guys don't have "game". But what I am saying in a P4P world if you want to call it a "game" then it is one where we are just guessing the price of said services if available which is not one you are saying. In an area where the working girls may out number the punters 2 to 1 or even 4+ to 1, many of these girls are willing to also get what they can get and a two minute conversation isn't one that qualifies as having game.
Being clean and nice falls more under being a decent human being. Being up that 1 guy in the club, who's sour and dour and as serious as a heart attack as you said, isn't representative of what's happening as a whole. Because you have very specific needs, your hit rate will be less than that of another punter and likely you're paying more for it which you have admitted in other posts. Again, tough to credit "game" when hit or success rate is less than that of another guy and price paid is more all other things equal.
HorseTrader
04-03-19, 04:19
buying into the MonkeyPaw pitch about "game" being some lofty, grand, magical quality that only he and a few lucky punters who come under his wing .... MonkeyPaw's concept of game is nothing magical. He recognizes that the hottest girls have men offering money for sex every day. His "game" concept is just to convince the girl that a session with you will be a more positive experience than time with another punter. Using whatever you can is your "game.”
Lucky Nuts
04-03-19, 05:27
I spent most of the last three months in Pattaya (also hit Phnom Penh and Angeles City on visa trips). I recall reading about "having game" last fall in preparation for my trip. Funny to see the same discussion still going on now after returning home. I spent most of my nights the last three months in the gogo bars of Walking Street and LK Metro. I always went after the hottest girls. MP is correct that they will not go with everyone. But he's not correct that it requires "game". It requires being of Asian ethnicity. The hot girls went with Asians of all ages. Usually they go with young Asians because there's now so many young Chinese, Japanese and South Korean youths hanging out at Palace and Panda. But I also saw them go with older Asian guys too. If you're over 50 and non-Asian the hottest girls are not receptive anymore in Pattaya. However at Nana Plaza in Bangkok most of the hot ones are still fine with non-Asian older guys. I think this also explains why one guy might think Pattaya is better than Bangkok and another vice versa. Hope this helps.
I spent most of the last three months in Pattaya (also hit Phnom Penh and Angeles City on visa trips). I recall reading about "having game" last fall in preparation for my trip. Funny to see the same discussion still going on now after returning home. I spent most of my nights the last three months in the gogo bars of Walking Street and LK Metro. I always went after the hottest girls. MP is correct that they will not go with everyone. But he's not correct that it requires "game". It requires being of Asian ethnicity. The hot girls went with Asians of all ages. Usually they go with young Asians because there's now so many young Chinese, Japanese and South Korean youths hanging out at Palace and Panda. But I also saw them go with older Asian guys too. If you're over 50 and non-Asian the hottest girls are not receptive anymore in Pattaya. However at Nana Plaza in Bangkok most of the hot ones are still fine with non-Asian older guys. I think this also explains why one guy might think Pattaya is better than Bangkok and another vice versa. Hope this helps.Yes, MP was "busted" on the Asian ethnicity part of his Top Girls game, and how that isn't exactly something a non Asian can master, very early on.
But one of his Asian "under his wing" students returned and did not describe any action in the room with his Top Girls (in Pattaya, that is) that I would pay as much as 100 baht for. Those guys were paying thousands.
Jimmy Boy 99
04-03-19, 06:43
On my last night in Pattaya, I went to have my third and final session with G (Gi? Gee?) at Mod's bar on Soi 6. At reception I told the mamasan I wanted the full hour, not the 50 minutes they gave me the first two sessions by knocking on the door too early. She said I could have two hours for 600 room fee and 1500 for the girl, rather than one hour for 400 and 1000, respectively. I asked G if she could fuck for two hours. She said yes, but it was not true, as she conked out after an hour and half of sex, so we shifted to BBBJ, HJ, dry humping for the rest of the time. I also made the mistake of showing her two 1000 baht notes, one to give to her and one to change downstairs for the remaining 500. She said it was 2000 for her. I said no, it was 1500, but gave her 1700 after a little discussion, since she had been so sweet and responsive during the session (and it was still a good deal), and she accepted it cheerfully, giving me a good-bye kiss.
I presume that this discounted 2-hour rate is also available at other Soi 6 bars, and will ask for it next time I am in Pattaya, as it better suits my session preferences.
Regarding G, she is about 20, from Udon Thani, not Thai looking (I. E. , flat nose, square jaw), no obvious baby damage, be tits, slim, 5' 2", very cute, with a beautiful smile when she would say "I like" (she said that a lot during the sessions). When I interviewed her before the first session (with the mamasan helping to translate) she said that she didn't do BBBJ. I decided she was so cute, it overrode not getting a BBBJ, so went with her anyway. After the shower, put on my music program and started dry humping her standing up, then massaged her pussy and ass, then DATY, during which she came, leaving a 6-inch wet spot on the sheet. She then started, without my prompting, a BBBJ for a few minutes, and then we fucked for the rest of the session to the music, which she seemed to enjoy, as in the next two sessions, when we got to the room, the first thing she said was "you play music? To which I said yes. G is a very sweet, very cute, girl who is a great session. Do not be turned off by the no BBBJ when you first talk to her; if you can turn her on, you will get it.
Banana Boi
04-03-19, 06:52
If you're over 50 and non-Asian the hottest girls are not receptive anymore in Pattaya. However at Nana Plaza in Bangkok most of the hot ones are still fine with non-Asian older guys. I think this also explains why one guy might think Pattaya is better than Bangkok and another vice versa. Hope this helps.This is what I have been trying to tell guys here for a very long time. Age matters in Pattaya. A Farang 50+ will not be able to compete for the top looking gogo girls in most gogo bars in Pattaya. Bangkok is a totally different animal where girls will go with anyone.
Bangkok will change within a few years when the Asians start to dominate the gogo bars there as well. Luckily Farang can thank Thermae and Thaniya Road for keeping the Asians busy.
I spent most of the last three months in Pattaya (also hit Phnom Penh and Angeles City on visa trips). I recall reading about "having game" last fall in preparation for my trip. Funny to see the same discussion still going on now after returning home. I spent most of my nights the last three months in the gogo bars of Walking Street and LK Metro. I always went after the hottest girls. MP is correct that they will not go with everyone. But he's not correct that it requires "game". It requires being of Asian ethnicity. The hot girls went with Asians of all ages. Usually they go with young Asians because there's now so many young Chinese, Japanese and South Korean youths hanging out at Palace and Panda. But I also saw them go with older Asian guys too. If you're over 50 and non-Asian the hottest girls are not receptive anymore in Pattaya. However at Nana Plaza in Bangkok most of the hot ones are still fine with non-Asian older guys. I think this also explains why one guy might think Pattaya is better than Bangkok and another vice versa. Hope this helps.I just tell them I'm from Japan and that I have a small dick. Actually I am not; I'm from Scandinavia and on average size. I think. I do nok look Japanese but I present some Japanese words and this works magic. The girls crack up. The ice I broken. And she willingly go with me!
This is what I have been trying to tell guys here for a very long time. Age matters in Pattaya. A Farang 50+ will not be able to compete for the top looking gogo girls in most gogo bars in Pattaya. Bangkok is a totally different animal where girls will go with anyone.
Bangkok will change within a few years when the Asians start to dominate the gogo bars there as well. Luckily Farang can thank Thermae and Thaniya Road for keeping the Asians busy.Many Bkk gogo bars are chock full of Asians already. And I walk out with young, slim, cute or pretty 20-23 year old girls willing to give me the kind of True GFE I want for a normal rate.
The only thing that is different about my experience in Bkk vs Pattaya is I actually see several girls in the Bkk gogo bar that I would want to have sex with enough to pay them while a similar gogo bar in Pattaya would likely not have any. That is why I prefer Bkk. "Top Girls" in Pattaya might have a hard time breaking above a 7 rating in Bkk.
Again, not just in basic bone structure looks. But when you factor in their very low rent make up, rough demeanor and attitude, the vast majority of Pattaya girls would not fit in or compete reaching out for us on Soi 7 between Sukhumvit Road and Beer Garden at 1am.
Lol. And, no, I don't mean when they are "rejecting" me because I am not Asian. Just when I observe them. You can't have that low of a middle and bottom range in a red light district yet have astronimically better "Top Girls" just a spitting distance away. Sorry. I have been there, I have eyes. Maybe the 5-6 "Top Girls" in the city are all busy in ST rooms when I am out and about.
I mean, it sure would make sense if they were!
MongerForSex
04-03-19, 12:28
I just tell them I'm from Japan and that I have a small dick. Actually I am not; I'm from Scandinavia and on average size. I think. I do nok look Japanese but I present some Japanese words and this works magic. The girls crack up. The ice I broken. And she willingly go with me!Do you really think all Japanese men have small dicks? How do you know that?
I have seen many penises in my life because it's my profession. I work in the area of dermatology / venereology. I can tell you many European men have dicks smaller than asians.
I am not Asian but hate stereotypes. As stated in my other post, hookers like to exagerate. They like to say what the client wants to hear (I don't like local men, you have a good big dick, you are a good fucker etc), but in their head, (they only like your wallet).
Member #4698
04-03-19, 12:32
Do you really think all Japanese men have small dicks? How do you know that?
I have seen many penises in my life because it's my profession. I work in the area of dermatologist / venereologist. I can tell you many European men have dicks smaller than asians.
I am not Asian but hate stereotypes. As stated in my other post, hookers like to exagerate. They like to say what the client wants to hear (I don't like local men, you have a good big dick, you are a good fucker etc), but in their head, (they only like your wallet).Good point! I dislike all the 333 stuff. I suppose it allows some guys to think better of themselves although at the same time it shows those doing the stereotyping in a lesser light. That said however, I do see plenty of NE Asian "gentlemen" making fools of themselves or acting like assholes and this point about stereotyping most definitely does not minimize the very real NE Asian racism directed at us.
PedroMorales
04-03-19, 12:56
The original line was the Japanese had 3" peckers, paid 3000 baht (big at the time) and only lasted 3 minutes.
Japanese do pay over the going rate as they want things their way and prefer not to deal with the dross. That makes eminent sense.
As someone who has bonked a lot of Japanese women, lasting only three minutes has an element of truth in it as they are generally exhausted from working long hours and short holidays.
As regards 3" peckers, I looked up such data a long time ago and dick sixes do not vary all that much. Scoffing at dick sizes goes back at least to the Roman Empire.
A Cambodian hooker told me Khmers have smal dicks but strong as bamboos for bonking.
As Cervantes wrote.
Long and thin.
Goes too far in.
Short and thick.
Does the trick.
There is no game as long as you pay. I don't know why people are talking about games when it comes to hookers. A hooker is a hooker, she will say all you want to hear. Your dick is small (oh your dick is big), you are ugly (you are handsome) you are fat (you are strong) you are old (you look younger), you are not interesting (they listen to you as if they are interested) you are a foreigner (I don't like local men) you were bad in bed (I loved it) etc. It's their work to adapt to the client and know how to lie because they are used to all kinds of clients and are working girls. If they always say the truth they will lose clients. Western men are dump, Indian men are cheap etc but stereotypes mean nothing. There are so many stereotypes. We Brazilian guys are known to be machos, cheaters but it's just a stereotype and I don't care. If you enjoy, there is nothing to do with your ethnicity but more with your personality.
If you fuck a girl without paying cash, we can talk about the games. Travelling miles just to get laid with farmers, it's not game.
I plan to travel to Thailand (Pattaya) not because I am homesick but because I like visiting different countries. I fuck everyday in my home country.Disagree. Any dude should be able to get a girl in Pattaya, of course. But the best girls in the better clubs can be choosy and will not automatically go out with you if she knows a "better" guy will soon show up. Offering more money may change her mind, but to make her WANT to go with you may indeed take some game. I have seen it happen. And certainly, a "hooker is a hooker" is NOT true. It usually is, but some of those girls are really sweet and if you treat them with respect they can surprise you.
Mr Enternational
04-03-19, 13:23
I presume that this discounted 2-hour rate is also available at other Soi 6 bars, and will ask for it next time I am in Pattaya, as it better suits my session preferences.There is no discounted rate. I have always said to bargain with them hoes on Soi 6 for 700 baht. And that was the price you got for paying for 2 hours instead of 1.
They are all poorly educated prostitutes from poor rural backgrounds. .Note true. Been with several who were college girls, simply hooking to make money to pay for school. Another owned lots of property and animals and made bank, but her parents foolishly spent a ton of money and she has to hook to literally save the family farm. She was well educated and smart. Been with others who educated and well off until hubby left her and cut her off. What you say is true in general, but we should never make false assumptions.
You're buying into the MonkeyPaw pitch about "game" being some lofty, grand, magical quality that only he and a few lucky punters who come under his wing for instructions can master. I don't. BTW, I noticed MonkeyPaw disappeared from these threads not very long after two of his "under my wing" punters returned from a few days' time spent with him in Pattaya and neither had reports about "top girls" giving them wonderful sex in the room for any amount of money. In fact, their Field Reports sounded very much like what I'd been saying about Pattaya in general and was slammed for it here. Coincidence? Who cares. But I digress.
As one of those two I believe you are referring to, I never said I had much game! I was unable to follow much of his advice as I just can't do what he advised me to do! Thus, we can't blame his theories based on the results I had. But one of his other 'students' who was much younger and had a bit of game took one of the girls who was a disaster for me and said he had a decent time with her. We paid the same and he got better service. Make of that as you will.
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A Farang 50+ will not be able to compete for the top looking gogo girls in most gogo bars in Pattaya. Bangkok is a totally different animal where girls will go with anyone.
Bangkok will change within a few years when the Asians start to dominate the gogo bars there as well. Luckily Farang can thank Thermae and Thaniya Road for keeping the Asians busy.I will concede this point to a degree; not only do I have eyes that work, they work in all directions. As I look at most of the 50+ year old farangs who live in or monger in Pattaya, they are mostly a mess as well. LOL. Maybe I fit that category, too. Not for me to say. But it does seem to be a match made in heaven between the punters and the available girls. So there are PLENTY of reasons for Top Girls in any bar, Pattaya or Bangkok, to turn away and reject them that have nothing to do with their age alone. I question whether most of them have the cash to barfine and take a go-go bargirl anyway. Or the interest.
Most 50+ year old farangs I have seen mongering in Pattaya would have trouble scoring anything of a sexual nature worth paying for with that 10th best looking girl in Billboard or Butterflies in Bangkok. Not all. Most.
Of course, that would NOT apply to the esteemed 50+ year old farang Pattaya punters on this board.
Anyway, the general profile of a 50+ year old farang on the prowl for a girl in Pattaya is NOT the same as the profile of such a man in Bangkok. I see well put together older farang men in Bangkok bars full of Asian customers, even in Thermae, walking out with very good looking girls. "Top" girls? That's a debatable point. But certainly not old hags or burnouts.
For one thing, in places like Thermae the only thing anyone has to go on is their face, general body proportions, how well they apply make up and their hair style. You don't know what is going on under those clothes. It is quite plausible that the 10th best looking girl in Bangkok's Billboard go-go bar or Butterflies go-go bar tonight is better looking naked after a shower than the 5 best "looking" girls in Thermae on any night. And it is quite likely she is many times better in bed than any of those Thermae girls as well. We also don't know what the farang customer has requested of the girl walking out with him vs what the Asian customer has requested of his girl. So on those counts, one never knows just what a great deal the Asian customers in Thermae are getting by taking the "Top" girls there vs what many more 50+ year old farang men are getting elsewhere in town.
Did you ever wonder why there is no counterpart to Pattaya Soi 6 in Bangkok? One reason is there is no clamor among Bangkok punters for a street full of bars where girls who can't swing more than 700 baht for FS are standing around waiting for a customer of any ethnicity to show up. We can afford more to get better girls who provide better results than that. And, to boot, we can find them showing their wares much more demonstrably in go-go bars without having to take only the "Top" girls to find quality.
Lucky Nuts
04-03-19, 17:23
Yes ET the general profile of the 50+ year old farang is different between the two places, I agree with that. But I was the same person spending 7 or 8 nights at Nana and dozens of nights at Pattaya Walking Street. In Pattaya compared to two years ago I was really surprised at the number of young asians who have fully embraced our hobby while still in their 20's. Palace practically has the atmosphere of a college party until after 11 PM when many of the barfines are out the door. I fully understand while the hottest girls in Palace and Panda won't barfine with me anymore. Seems like at Nana a lot of gentlemen go for a night of dancing entertainment rather than finding a barfine. So even the hot girls were happy to find a guy wanting that. I'll be spending more time in Bangkok on my next visit.
MongerForSex
04-03-19, 18:37
The original line was the Japanese had 3" peckers, paid 3000 baht (big at the time) and only lasted 3 minutes.
Japanese do pay over the going rate as they want things their way and prefer not to deal with the dross. That makes eminent sense.
As someone who has bonked a lot of Japanese women, lasting only three minutes has an element of truth in it as they are generally exhausted from working long hours and short holidays.
As regards 3" peckers, I looked up such data a long time ago and dick sixes do not vary all that much. Scoffing at dick sizes goes back at least to the Roman Empire.
A Cambodian hooker told me Khmers have smal dicks but strong as bamboos for bonking.
As Cervantes wrote.
Long and thin.
Goes too far in.
Short and thick.
Does the trick.Many men are jealous when Japanese men do better than they do.
I am living in Brazil, my country is known to be the land of the monstercocks, believe me I have seen many small dicks when men consult me in Brazil. Those stereotypes made many people ignorant.
Indian men are cheap and dirty, black men have mostercock and are brutal when they have sex, Asian men have small dicks and don't last long, western men are dumb and not self confident. All these sterotypes mean nothing, only uneducated, ignorant and stupid people believe in it. There are fat people in every race, there are talll people in every race etc. Those stereotypes are bad because that makes farang's mongering experience more difficult. Because unexperienced girls are scared because of the rumor they hear.
Not only Asian men fucked up prostitution, even western men fucked up prostition in Thailand.
Keep your generalization to you.
The original line was the Japanese had 3" peckers, paid 3000 baht (big at the time) and only lasted 3 minutes.
Japanese do pay over the going rate as they want things their way and prefer not to deal with the dross. That makes eminent sense.
As someone who has bonked a lot of Japanese women, lasting only three minutes has an element of truth in it as they are generally exhausted from working long hours and short holidays.
As regards 3" peckers, I looked up such data a long time ago and dick sixes do not vary all that much. Scoffing at dick sizes goes back at least to the Roman Empire.
A Cambodian hooker told me Khmers have smal dicks but strong as bamboos for bonking.
As Cervantes wrote.
Long and thin.
Goes too far in.
Short and thick.
Does the trick.What are you basing any of this on? Lasting 3 minutes doesn't discriminate against race / ethnicity. Physical penis size, sure. I've hooked up with girls in Mexico who have said guys down there don't know how to work it and have less than desirable dicks. Same in Cambodia too. But that stuff isn't worth mentioning.
MongerForSex
04-03-19, 18:52
Good point! I dislike all the 333 stuff. I suppose it allows some guys to think better of themselves although at the same time it shows those doing the stereotyping in a lesser light. That said however, I do see plenty of NE Asian "gentlemen" making fools of themselves or acting like assholes and this point about stereotyping most definitely does not minimize the very real NE Asian racism directed at us.What they don't know is stereotypes are making their mongering experienece worse in Thailand.
Yes ET the general profile of the 50+ year old farang is different between the two places, I agree with that. But I was the same person spending 7 or 8 nights at Nana and dozens of nights at Pattaya Walking Street. In Pattaya compared to two years ago I was really surprised at the number of young asians who have fully embraced our hobby while still in their 20's. Palace practically has the atmosphere of a college party until after 11 PM when many of the barfines are out the door. I fully understand while the hottest girls in Palace and Panda won't barfine with me anymore. Seems like at Nana a lot of gentlemen go for a night of dancing entertainment rather than finding a barfine. So even the hot girls were happy to find a guy wanting that. I'll be spending more time in Bangkok on my next visit.That sounds perfectly logical and does not contradict what I have observed in Pattaya, heard and read several times by others; So there are 3-4 popular go-go bars on Walking Street where the Top Girls in Pattaya work, they get taken quickly by Asian guys and then disappear into the night never to be seen until the next night, if you get to those bars early again.
How many of these Top Girls would you say there are in all of these bars before we get down to just ordinarily attractive girls who might have to settle for going with farangs, some as old as 55 years old? 12? 25?
I guess the part that amuses me is this seemingly magical aura about these Top Girls in Pattaya, being so untouchable by farangs and all.
I have not only been in those go-go bars as early as the hour they open their doors, but I have sat outside them in adjacent restaurants and bars and watched the girls arrive in their street clothes. And I have not seen any girl entering or exiting those bars, alone on the way in and with a customer on the way out, that was better looking than above average girls, not even qualifying as Top Girls, in Bangkok go-go bars.
Every red light district has Top Girls the same way every basket of chicken wings has 3 that are meatier than the rest. It is only a relative term. When I see a so-called Top Girl in a Pattaya Walking Street go-go bar who is such a wowzer in terms of looks, demeanor, attitude and sexiness that a dozen Bangkok go-go dancers in almost any 2 random bars could not match or surpass her, I will definitely post about it here.
At this moment I can only count and recall 1 girl I saw in Pattaya over my recent 7-8 visits that beat as many as, oh, 10 Bangkok girls I could see on any day or night stroll around my neighborhood. She was shopping in the new Terminal 21 mall one afternoon over the past New Years weekend. She was smoking hot. Not common to see a better looking girl anywhere, even in Bangkok. But I have not seen a girl that good looking and sexy going in or out of a Walking Street go-go bar.
Member #4698
04-03-19, 20:11
How many of these Top Girls would you say there are in all of these bars before we get down to just ordinarily attractive girls who might have to settle for going with farangs, some as old as 55 years old? 12? 25?
I guess the part that amuses me is this seemingly magical aura about these Top Girls in Pattaya, being so untouchable by farangs and all. This is all highly subjective and depends on your tastes and personal preferences. For me, in the better Walking Street Go Go's, the ratio is roughly 5 to 10 percent of the girls are high quality in looks ie girls I would like to shag. Thus, in a small Go Go like Infinity there might be 2 or 3 girls that I would want. In a larger Go Go like Sensations there might be 4 to 6 hotties. I should add that I don't think the ratio is much different up north in the better BKK Go Go's. Take Twister or Billboard on any given night (early): there are only a few girls at most that I would deem attractive enough to ask over for a drink. So, I think it has always been about the top 10% and I never cared about the rest of the girls in the various lineups although if they are dancing, drinking, and having a good time, it does improve the overall ambiance of the place. And in lesser quality BKK & Pattaya Go Go's, of which some are popular and some are near empty, I can't find one girl I would like to shag. 555.
I will also say this about Pattaya Go Go's: the agency thing has really caught on and if you want quality girls, you almost have to go these bars. The quality drop off from an agency Go Go to an old fashion regular priced Go Go is palpable.
The main reason I prefer BKK over Pattaya is not about the girls. It's about everything else. I prefer the big city with more/better restaurants, more variety, more things to do, and that certain amount of anonymity which is really nice.
MongerForSex
04-03-19, 22:09
This is all highly subjective and depends on your tastes and personal preferences. For me, in the better Walking Street Go Go's, the ratio is roughly 5 to 10 percent of the girls are high quality in looks ie girls I would like to shag. Thus, in a small Go Go like Infinity there might be 2 or 3 girls that I would want. In a larger Go Go like Sensations there might be 4 to 6 hotties. I should add that I don't think the ratio is much different up north in the better BKK Go Go's. Take Twister or Billboard on any given night (early): there are only a few girls at most that I would deem attractive enough to ask over for a drink. So, I think it has always been about the top 10% and I never cared about the rest of the girls in the various lineups although if they are dancing, drinking, and having a good time, it does improve the overall ambiance of the place. And in lesser quality BKK & Pattaya Go Go's, of which some are popular and some are near empty, I can't find one girl I would like to shag. 555.
I will also say this about Pattaya Go Go's: the agency thing has really caught on and if you want quality girls, you almost have to go these bars. The quality drop off from an agency Go Go to an old fashion regular priced Go Go is palpable.
The main reason I prefer BKK over Pattaya is not about the girls. It's about everything else. I prefer the big city with more/better restaurants, more variety, more things to do, and that certain amount of anonymity which is really nice.Tastes are different, I prefer Mediterranean and Middle Eastern looking women. In Southeast Asia, I prefer Vietnamese women. I am sure I can find good looking girls in Pattaya or BangCock but I will need much homework. I checked out many videos about GOGO bar in Pattaya and BangCock. I did not see many good looking girls, I saw some good looking girls mainly with Asian guys. I can't wait to travel to Thailand and enjoy the Thai nightlife. We are all different.
But personality comes first when I choose a girl.
Member #4698
04-03-19, 22:32
But personality comes first when I choose a girl.Ok, but I want it all. Good looks are necessary for me to get things started, but not sufficient for me to take a girl out of the bar if she flunks the audition and I would never repeat with a girl, no matter how hot, if she was not good in bed and did not have a pleasing personality. But first things come first and the first thing I see when I look at a bunch of bar girls is their faces and then their bodies. If a girl is not attractive to me there is no point about my finding out about her personality. I guess I miss out on a lot of real nice, plain girls. Oh well. 555, but my repeat girls, and I have a lot of them, are all good looking, sexy, and have real nice personalites. I would not keep seeing them if they did not.
I think you will like LOS. The Go Go's, hostess bars, beer bars, and nightclubs wil give you plenty of opportunities to find girls with real nice personalities. All you have to do is ask one over and buy her a drink to get things started.
Now that the conversation switched to appearance.
Thai girls aren't very attractive in comparison to Korean and Chinese girls if we're comparing Asian girls and their features. There are some Thai girls who are legit 9's and 10's, but most of them scale 5 to 7 overall. Anytime I read about a Thai go go who is considered an 9 or 10, my thoughts are she's probably a 7 overall.
Of course, this is all subjective and another guy can have the opinion that Thai girls are #1 and Chinese girls don't do it for him which is OK.
But in the end, while appearance does matter, as long as the face is at least average or above, that's OK. Greater emphasis is placed on their body which means no baby damage, flat stomach / thin, and at least B cups though preferably bigger (not picky about real or fake in P4P world). Even a place like Billboard in Bangkok that many rave about (deservedly), there aren't any DDG, drop dead gorgeous, girls there aside of 1 or 2 over the course of a year+.
MongerForSex
04-04-19, 01:17
Ok, but I want it all. Good looks are necessary for me to get things started, but not sufficient for me to take a girl out of the bar if she flunks the audition and I would never repeat with a girl, no matter how hot, if she was not good in bed and did not have a pleasing personality. But first things come first and the first thing I see when I look at a bunch of bar girls is their faces and then their bodies. If a girl is not attractive to me there is no point about my finding out about her personality. I guess I miss out on a lot of real nice, plain girls. Oh well. 555, but my repeat girls, and I have a lot of them, are all good looking, sexy, and have real nice personalites. I would not keep seeing them if they did not.
I want it all too, I don't fuck hags. Personality matters to me. They must be sexy. I will see what will happen in Thailand.
I think you will like LOS. The Go Go's, hostess bars, beer bars, and nightclubs wil give you plenty of opportunities to find girls with real nice personalities. All you have to do is ask one over and buy her a drink to get things started.From a newbie's perspective (or at least someone returning after 20 years away) don't forget that not only are there many opportunities, there are many DIFFERENT opportunities. Discussion has focused on the hottest of the hot in Walking Street but I've enjoyed the diversity offered by massage parlours, various red light areas, freelancers and even just people watching.
Basically, it doesn't matter what your preferences are, you will find them en masse in Pattaya. Don't think you will be confined to only on type of girl or establishment.
Enjoy. G.
I made an early start, heading to Walking Street about 8 pm. Tour groups were still milling about and the GoGos were just starting up. Nothing particularly took my eye so I caught a baht bus to Soi 6. It was surprisingly busy with people everywhere. A couple of stand out features. Most of the girls and bars on the 2nd Road side were fun and full of character. Night Wish bars took up a substantial proportion of the center of the street, had the prettier girls but they were just milling around with no activity or personality at all. Dolls GoGo had some cuties but were obviously milking drinks where waitresses would whisk away 3/4 full LDs then ask for new drinks for the girls. That plus overcharging at 1500+5000 LT pissed me off no end so I cancelled a barfine and walked out. Walking back, I stopped off at one of the Night Wish bars, Envy for one last drink. It had a few cuties and were charging 600+2500.
Enjoy. G.
This is all highly subjective and depends on your tastes and personal preferences. For me, in the better Walking Street Go Go's, the ratio is roughly 5 to 10 percent of the girls are high quality in looks ie girls I would like to shag. My threshold also rises with the expectations of the bar and girl. If she / they want to be paid threefold what is requested elsewhere then I'm going to be looking for 10/10 tits, height, face, hips AND body fat. Certainly no tall but no tits or big boobs but a a few extra pounds. Add in my strong preference for LT and she better be able to hold a conversation in passable English. In reality this is very hard to find and probably why I shy away from the top end of town. Elsewhere I can find much better value and enjoyment in girls that are pretty (not stunners), fill 90% of my criteria, inc the most important attitude, for a fraction of the price.
It's the Red Light 80/20 rule. LOL.
Enjoy. G.
Banana Boi
04-04-19, 02:57
Goferring, I noticed on a few of your reviews you mentioned you are not seeing much at Walking Street gogo bars but you do not mention which bars you are going to. Just curious if the lineup has deteriorated so poorly since I left on my visa run 2 weeks ago. I don't put it past inconsistent Pattaya to be bad everywhere especially with Songkran approaching and girls going home.
Goferring, I noticed on a few of your reviews you mentioned you are not seeing much at Walking Street gogo bars but you do not mention which bars you are going to. Just curious if the lineup has deteriorated so poorly since I left on my visa run 2 weeks ago. I don't put it past inconsistent Pattaya to be bad everywhere especially with Songkran approaching and girls going home.Yep. Sorry about that. I'm hopeless at remembering names and haven't found a suitable and current map to use the next day to back track. It's fair to say the majority of the time I have been speaking about the bars at the northern most end. I haven't been inside anything in the Russian or Indian sector. I'll try to put together a list.
Numberswise, I'm here during the perfect storm of Songkran approaching, tourist low season and shit weather (scorching hot or flooding from rain). Numerous girls have said customer numbers are way down so I'd expect that is also reflected in the number of girls in town as well.
Of course the ones that can afford not to be here are the prettier ones who have had a good income. That would drop the average quiet a bit.
I have to admit I was wrong. I've seen the light & it seems even older farrangs are able to bag top talent at gogos:
*shrug* a big man admits when he is wrong.
Cheers mates.
Banana Boi
04-04-19, 06:54
I have to admit I was wrong. I've seen the light & it seems even older farrangs are able to bag top talent at gogos:
*shrug* a big man admits when he is wrong.
Cheers mates.Now that's funny. Scary part is some guys would think these girls are pretty. I actually know the tall girl with double chinned baldy.
Jimmy Boy 99
04-04-19, 07:32
There is no discounted rate. I have always said to bargain with them hoes on Soi 6 for 700 baht. And that was the price you got for paying for 2 hours instead of 1.Do you bargain over the room fee also? If so, what do you pay at the 300 baht places and the 400 baht places for an hour?
I have to admit I was wrong. I've seen the light & it seems even older farrangs are able to bag top talent at gogos:
*shrug* a big man admits when he is wrong.
Cheers mates.I have not seen markedly better looking girls in or around the Walking Street go-go bars. In fact, I am not sure I have seen photos of markedly better looking Walking Street go-go girls on this site.
Then again, maybe I blink during the fleeting seconds after their doors open when the Asian guys race in and whisk away all the real Pattaya hotties.
We old farangs blink a lot.
Now that the conversation switched to appearance.
Thai girls aren't very attractive in comparison to Korean and Chinese girls if we're comparing Asian girls and their features. There are some Thai girls who are legit 9's and 10's, but most of them scale 5 to 7 overall. Anytime I read about a Thai go go who is considered an 9 or 10, my thoughts are she's probably a 7 overall.
Of course, this is all subjective and another guy can have the opinion that Thai girls are #1 and Chinese girls don't do it for him which is OK.
But in the end, while appearance does matter, as long as the face is at least average or above, that's OK. Greater emphasis is placed on their body which means no baby damage, flat stomach / thin, and at least B cups though preferably bigger (not picky about real or fake in P4P world). Even a place like Billboard in Bangkok that many rave about (deservedly), there aren't any DDG, drop dead gorgeous, girls there aside of 1 or 2 over the course of a year+.I try to include it and often forget to do so, but usually when I talk about Thai "8's, 9's or 10's" on this site I mean a bargirl or P4P 8, 9 or 10. It is within the P4P or bargirl context. I am usually not talking about them relative to regular Thai girls you see working in the malls or office buildings. And in that case I would say a P4P or bargirl 10 would probably land at about a strong 7.5 or possibly closer to a shade under an 8 for a regular girl. And then only in Thailand, not on the entire planet.
I have mentioned regular girls working in malls and such with regard to Pattaya only because it is a notable characteristic of Pattaya, imo, that there are very few 8's, 9's or 10's relative to any group in the city.
I have not seen markedly better looking girls in or around the Walking Street go-go bars. In fact, I am not sure I have seen photos of markedly better looking Walking Street go-go girls on this site.
The only difference I have noticed between the top 10% of girls at WS vs the top 10% at lesser markets is height and surgical engancements.
Do you bargain over the room fee also? If so, what do you pay at the 300 baht places and the 400 baht places for an hour?I don't think that you can bargain down the room price. I once gave a Nightwish bargirl 300 baht for a 400 baht room and she just looked at the notes and didn't know what to do with them. So I took the notes back off her and walked out. Now I just pay their room price, so long as it is not jacked up over 400 baht, or includes a minimum drink of an extra 150 baht.
LittleBigMan
04-04-19, 13:08
I have to admit I was wrong. I've seen the light & it seems even older farrangs are able to bag top talent at gogos:
*shrug* a big man admits when he is wrong.
Cheers mates.Does it also help when those old guys are friends, part-owner, or full owners of bars or GoGos?
Mr Enternational
04-04-19, 13:16
The only difference I have noticed between the top 10% of girls at WS vs the top 10% at lesser markets is height and surgical engancements.One of my freelancers works at a gogo on Walking Street. I can't remember the name of it. It was across and down a little bit from Lucifer. She is the tallest one there. She said for some reason they don't really let tall chicks works there. If a chick comes that is too tall, they get rid of her after a couple of days.
Did you ever wonder why there is no counterpart to Pattaya Soi 6 in Bangkok? One reason is there is no clamor among Bangkok punters for a street full of bars where girls who can't swing more than 700 baht for FS are standing around waiting for a customer of any ethnicity to show up. We can afford more to get better girls who provide better results than that..All of my PSE's and the vast majority of GFE's originated on Soi 6 or Red Car. NONE from a WS Bar Girl, and some of the WS BG's were no better looking than what I had on Soi 6 for one third to one fifth the money! And Lord knows last November I tried to get a great experience from a hot WS BG.
Monkey Paw was a bullshitter. At least in the Angeles City forum. MP stated he gave US $5,000 to an AC orphanage. A friend of mine knows the orphanage and asked, no such donation. 5 k would have been noticeable and fed a lot of mouths there.MP is alive and well but is choosing not to post for reasons I have not asked and he has not shared. I will miss him and his antics when I visit Pattaya in 2 weeks. But, he did tell me about his the orphanage visit and he was actually happy about it. He did share some pictures of the orphanage with pictures of the kids, the folks and of himself there with some kids which is on Facebook. I can't obviously vouch for any donation he may or may not have made, but wonder upon the need to diss the guy when he is not here to defend himself. I spent a number of hours with the guy and when I left Pattaya last time, he actually came to my hotel to send me off and wish me well. I was touched. He may be full of BS and whatever, but he does, at times, show that he has a heart.
I try to include it and often forget to do so, but usually when I talk about Thai "8's, 9's or 10's" on this site I mean a bargirl or P4P 8, 9 or 10. It is within the P4P or bargirl context. I am usually not talking about them relative to regular Thai girls you see working in the malls or office buildings. And in that case I would say a P4P or bargirl 10 would probably land at about a strong 7.5 or possibly closer to a shade under an 8 for a regular girl. And then only in Thailand, not on the entire planet.
I have mentioned regular girls working in malls and such with regard to Pattaya only because it is a notable characteristic of Pattaya, imo, that there are very few 8's, 9's or 10's relative to any group in the city.Surely, you jest, sir. There are only 5 categories of girls, regardless of their "working" status.
A 0 is a girl you would not fuk.
A 1 is a girl you would fuk.
A 2 is a girl you would DATY and then fuk.
A 3 is a girl you would fuk (w / o condom) and then DATY.
A 4 is a girl you would DATY after someone else fuked her (w / o condom).
Banana Boi
04-04-19, 14:39
I have not seen markedly better looking girls in or around the Walking Street go-go bars.You're really showing that you are a complete newbie when it comes to the current Pattaya gogo bar scene. Either that or your taste in women is quite questionable.
ET, I'm not sure what your agenda is on here but it's clear you want everyone to know Bangkok is better. For everyone reading this board yes Bangkok is better. Please go to Bangkok and drive up the prices there and leave Pattaya for us expats.
Member #4698
04-04-19, 15:22
The only difference I have noticed between the top 10% of girls at WS vs the top 10% at lesser markets is height and surgical engancements.I don't like sillies. Girls with silly cones are not on my do list 10%, but then there are always exceptions LOL...
Like last October when I saw a real pretty girl at La Belle, an upscale BKK soapy. I took that girl upstairs despite the fact that she had on the sillies. She was otherwise that good looking! Anyway, I had a great session with her (to EihTooms, we did a lot of naughty stuff, but I don't know if she would have done CIM because that is not my thing, as you know. Ha ha, so I did not bother asking) and I liked her so much that I went back 3 more times just to see her some more, silly cones and all. I guess I must REALLY like her because I am looking forward to seeing her again real soon. I miss her. But she was the exception and my only surgically modified girl of 2017 or 2018. I will add that as far as silly cones go, she had a pretty natural looking set, but it was still obvious they were implants and that fact took a little bit away from my enjoyment of her. I wish I had met her before she went under the knife. I imagine she had a perfectly nice set of "B" cup Thai tities, the kind I really like. Oh Well. It is not always easy being a punter. There are hard decisons we must make from time to time. 555.
That sounds perfectly logical and does not contradict what I have observed in Pattaya, heard and read several times by others; So there are 3-4 popular go-go bars on Walking Street where the Top Girls in Pattaya work, they get taken quickly by Asian guys and then disappear into the night never to be seen until the next night, if you get to those bars early again.
How many of these Top Girls would you say there are in all of these bars before we get down to just ordinarily attractive girls who might have to settle for going with farangs, some as old as 55 years old? 12? 25?
I guess the part that amuses me is this seemingly magical aura about these Top Girls in Pattaya, being so untouchable by farangs and all.
I have not only been in those go-go bars as early as the hour they open their doors, but I have sat outside them in adjacent restaurants and bars and watched the girls arrive in their street clothes. And I have not seen any girl entering or exiting those bars, alone on the way in and with a customer on the way out, that was better looking than above average girls, not even qualifying as Top Girls, in Bangkok go-go bars..Feel free at anytime to back up your assumptions with photos of Walking Street gogo bar girls versus Nana or Cowboy's. We are sure, as a resident of Thailand and in all your many years of experience, you have some photos to share because most of us really don't know what the heck you are talking about. Aren't all these bar girls from Isaan? But you make it sound as if Bangkok and Pattaya girls are a different species all together when it comes to the bars. Common sense tells you that Bangkok is a metropolitan city with huge corporations, so of course there are more Thai women who have to dress and look a certain way for work. But the bars and strip clubs? Come on. Anyways, let us see some pics so we can at least have a transparent discussion. Or should everybody just take your word for it since you are the "king" of gogo bars and the expert in these matters? Trust me, I know strip clubs and Pattaya has the best. It's harder to play on Walking Street at the better bars because most are coyote bars with a huge drink salary and commission structure unlike Bangkok, except for the Man from Iran's bars in Cowboy. Nana bars are just brothels, so the girls want go up short time and find the next customer. But I am sure you already know that. Anyways show us the pics of what you are talking about Pattaya versus Bangkok. Thank you very much.
You're really showing that you are a complete newbie when it comes to the current Pattaya gogo bar scene. Either that or your taste in women is quite questionable.
ET, I'm not sure what your agenda is on here but it's clear you want everyone to know Bangkok is better. For everyone reading this board yes Bangkok is better. Please go to Bangkok and drive up the prices there and leave Pattaya for us expats.My agenda is to contribute to the topic at hand where and when possible. Same as you, Banana Boi. I slam whole Bangkok go-go bar line ups or even whole Bangkok venue categories in the Bangkok thread, too, where my observations warrant it. As do others. No reason to be overly sensitive or defensive about it when I do it here.
Sorry and I don't know if Phazze93 was being facetious or posting a straight up honest observation. It's that close. But at least two of the girls in those pics would be SuperStars on Beach Road or Soi 6. On looks alone they would fit squarely among the top 20% of the girls working on Walking Street. If they are sweet-natured, have shaved pussies, offer BBFS+CIP and/or will perform a BBBJ with a proper CIM finish (and that is a big "IF" in Pattaya), they would easily rate among the top 10% best scores in all of Pattaya. But that doesn't mean I think they are "pretty". We also have no idea if those old farangs took those girls back to their room or just bought them lady drinks and had their photo taken.
I am not kidding. Unless the trick is they are actually Ladyboys instead of real Ladies. LOL. Either way, I'll stand by my statement on their looks relative to most girls in Pattaya.
Again, just responding to a post and photo offering by another poster on this thread based on my repeated recent visits to Pattaya and observations.
The only difference I have noticed between the top 10% of girls at WS vs the top 10% at lesser markets is height and surgical engancements.Have to say, that observation has the ring of truth to it based on my observations as well. Which might account for my being less than impressed by what is taken for "Top Girls" in Pattaya. I don't care about height, only that their weight be proportionate to their height. I have already been with plenty of tall girls. And I generally count surgically enhanced breasts as a distracting negative, not a positive. I have certainly seen that combination in some of those WS go-go bars, Asian customers leaning forward in amazement over the taller girls with big bolt-on, regardless of the big ugly tattoos that all too often go along with them. You might be right. Maybe those are the "Top Girls" that get taken early. Then I just don't recognize them as such when I see them being taken out of the bars.
Lucky Nuts
04-04-19, 16:55
We old farangs blink a lot.It's ok that you blinked ET. I just spent the better part of three months in Pattaya and Bangkok. Pattaya won for better looking girls. But I think we're splitting hairs as the girls come and go rapidly in both cities. Bangkok wins overall for ability to take a decently hot girl back to hotel for a great session. Do you know if the Nana clubs require a 10 or 14 day contract like in Pattaya? Or can they come in anytime they just want to make some cash? They seemed so much more eager to barfine.
.....I don't care about height, only that their weight be proportionate to their height. I have already been with plenty of tall girls. And I generally count surgically enhanced breasts as a distracting negative, not a positive....There certainly is a height requirement for my 10 and she would have a generous handful of natural tits. No Double G's required.
Just to prove that everyone has different priorities, my unicorn is tall enough to look me in the eye when wearing flats, toned, long and lean body structure, small hips, honey brown skin, long black hair and a couple of quality tats to show she knows the ropes after she's been around the block a few times. Being mentally unstable is good as the best hooker is like an old roller coaster: you never know if your night is going to be the ride of your life or cause mass fatalities. 😁.
Enjoy. G.
It's ok that you blinked ET. I just spent the better part of three months in Pattaya and Bangkok. Pattaya won for better looking girls. But I think we're splitting hairs as the girls come and go rapidly in both cities. Bangkok wins overall for ability to take a decently hot girl back to hotel for a great session. Do you know if the Nana clubs require a 10 or 14 day contract like in Pattaya? Or can they come in anytime they just want to make some cash? They seemed so much more eager to barfine.I don't know the answer to your question. But Stickman posted an article on some of the perks and requirements of Bangkok go-go dancers in his online Stickman Weekly column a few Sundays ago. Some if it might apply to Pattaya as well. Maybe that issue is mentioned in it, I don't remember all of it. Actually, I read Stickman's take on it as an example of part of the problem in the Thai P4P scene. He seemed genuinely elated that some bars provide enough perks and bonuses so a Thai hooker doesn't really have to go on a barfine with a customer at all and still make a comfortable income. Isn't that nice? Stickman thinks it's wonderful.
Seriously MonkeyPaw has't posted in 3 months but said his 333rd post was his "last" post, if I remembered. He said ending at #333 had special meaning for him. Why are you still hung over him so bad and can't let go? Even when I just posted that we had a blast when we met up in Pattaya at Baccara. We even were so privileged to have management take a photo of us inside the club, breaking all no photos rules as the girls just looked on. This is called respect and we only had a bill of less than 1000 baht between 3 guys. At Palace, he did the impossible by getting the top 2 hottest girls of all Walking Street to come off the stage and sit with him just for 1 big drink and to chat with him and each other. It showed that they dislike one another but still did it because it was him. So I'm thinking a few are still blind and don't want to admit it.This is classic! Sounds like you guys had fun.
I have to admit I was wrong. I've seen the light & it seems even older farrangs are able to bag top talent at gogos:
*shrug* a big man admits when he is wrong.
Cheers mates.No disrespect, but that is exactly the type of shit I saw in Pattaya in Feb. My fellow Indian mongers were cruising around with nasty 'girls' like that on their arm, and I was like wtf is going on. And if that's the BBFS type of girls, no thank you, I'd rather jump on pornhub and BBJERK off. I will however admit that it's only slightly better than the vile, bilious, repulsive and every other nasty adjective to describe the images in the Thailand Photo Gallery. I made the awful mistake of checking out that thread the other day, and part of me will never be the same again Yeeeeeshhh. There should be some sort of fucking warning before you go in there, something along the lines of "Dear first time travelling mongers to Thailand, please note that the information contained in this thread isn't a true reflection of what Thailand is about, YMMV".
Anyway, having only been to Patts a few times, I consider myself a noob. But even a noob like me was able to get some 6's off Thai Friendly and that shithole Dollhouse. Guys familiar with Jungle Bar should know the girl with the red hair named Sunny. The other 2 are TF girls. All were ST 1500 thb, covered FS, DFK and BBBJ.
Banana Boi
04-04-19, 20:45
Agree that Photo Gallery thread is disgusting. So are most of the girls you see in Thai porn. It's actually kept many of my friends from coming to Thailand including delaying my first Thai trip.
Never seen that red head at Jungle Bar. Definitely worth 1000 baht. Session was good?
Member #4698
04-04-19, 20:47
Siamsin, I like your girl in black. Nice catch. Don't even think about what other mongers are doing or scoring. That is their business. Keep your eye on the prize. The girls, the food and possibly the beaches are the only thing that matters in LOS ... and oh yeah, the size of your financial statement.
Banana Boi
04-04-19, 21:00
My agenda is to contribute to the topic at hand where and when possible. Same as you, Banana Boi. I slam whole Bangkok go-go bar line ups or even whole Bangkok venue categories in the Bangkok thread, too, where my observations warrant it. As do others. That is cool I absolutely respect that. When you go to a Pattaya or Bangkok gogo bar post something saying so and so bar had a crap lineup Monday night. If you do that I will applaud your post. However, repeatedly making negative comments about Pattaya gogo bars when you haven't hobbied much or recently in Pattaya gogo bars is quite annoying.
Sorry I don't follow the Bangkok thread closely because I consider myself a newbie there. Only go to Bangkok 15 to 20 times per year staying 1 to 4 nights. I don't feel I'm in a position to argue with guys like you, Bkkdog, and Syzy since you guys live in Bkk. Hope you have respect that those of us who live in Pattaya may know a bit more than yourself about the CURRENT Pattaya bar scene.
Agree that Photo Gallery thread is disgusting. So are most of the girls you see in Thai porn. It's actually kept many of my friends from coming to Thailand including delaying my first Thai trip.100% dude, that Creampie Thais, Asian Streetmeat, Gogo bar audition porn videos are shocking to say the least. Had I not made my first Thailand trip years ago, I would've assumed that was the standard quality everywhere in Thailand.
Never seen that red head at Jungle Bar. Definitely worth 1000 baht. Session was good?It's her Line pics, so filters added etc. Still cute in person, but a few lb's more than I like, and her legs aren't long, shapely and sexy as I prefer. She was a bit of an extrovert and shy initially, but opened up (excuse the pun) as we got into it. She performed and took instructions well, so no issues. I was there in Feb and she mentioned she was fairly new at Jungle bar. She hangs with another cute chick that I saw in her Line videos who's definitely worth a session too.
Siamsin, I like your girl in black. Nice catch. Had a good time with her, but she had a funky smell down low that put me off any thought of DATY.
Don't even think about what other mongers are doing or scoring. That is their business. Keep your eye on the prize. The girls, the food and possibly the beaches are the only thing that matters in LOS ... and oh yeah, the size of your financial statement.I hear you man, I usually do. I fly solo mostly and it's impossible not see what's going on around you and make observations. There's definitely a lot of quality girls in Pattaya, and personally 1000 - 1500 thb for ST with these girls was a welcomed change to the usual 2000 - 3500 thb I was spending in BKK.
Blanquiceleste
04-05-19, 01:24
Had a good time with her, but she had a funky smell down low that put me off any thought of DATY.She has an attractive face but that odour can be a total buzzkill. I usually call off the session immediately if I detect such a smell. She also appears to have a few extra pounds around the middle section, right? But still very doable at 1500 b ST.
The other girls are also very good at that price point.
That is cool I absolutely respect that. When you go to a Pattaya or Bangkok gogo bar post something saying so and so bar had a crap lineup Monday night. If you do that I will applaud your post. However, repeatedly making negative comments about Pattaya gogo bars when you haven't hobbied much or recently in Pattaya gogo bars is quite annoying.
Sorry I don't follow the Bangkok thread closely because I consider myself a newbie there. Only go to Bangkok 15 to 20 times per year staying 1 to 4 nights. I don't feel I'm in a position to argue with guys like you, Bkkdog, and Syzy since you guys live in Bkk. Hope you have respect that those of us who live in Pattaya may know a bit more than yourself about the CURRENT Pattaya bar scene.I don't know if you realize it, but we are both very much on the same sheet of music about Pattaya as an inferior mongering destination for certain punters, only for different reasons. You have been "trying to tell guys here for a very long time" that age matters in Pattaya, that a farang 50+ will not be able to compete for the top looking go-go girls in most go-go bars", better off mongering in Bkk and so on (without me ever telling you to stop posting such things because it is "annoying", no matter how often you tell us that and for how long a time you've been telling us, btw. LOL). I agree with you that Pattaya is not a good place to monger for many of us as well, but rather because the quality in Pattaya is overall quite low imo.
The last time I was in Pattaya was three months ago, over the New Years weekend. I didn't hobby at that time because I took a regular Bangkok GF with me. But I have mongered there in the past 6 months to a year. Three months ago I certainly popped into go-go bars on Walking Street and observed the girls going in and out of them, working outside and all around. Had I been alone and not with a girl already, I still would not have pursued any girl I saw on the scene. But not because they were rejecting me due to my age, ethnicity or game.
Also, I would have no objection to you posting anything you want in the Bangkok thread, even if you'd only been in Bkk for an hour. And don't hesitate to argue about anything you see, hear or experience there if you are so inclined.
No disrespect, but that is exactly the type of shit I saw in Pattaya in Feb. My fellow Indian mongers were cruising around with nasty 'girls' like that on their arm, and I was like wtf is going on. And if that's the BBFS type of girls, no thank you, I'd rather jump on pornhub and BBJERK off. I will however admit that it's only slightly better than the vile, bilious, repulsive and every other nasty adjective to describe the images in the Thailand Photo Gallery. I made the awful mistake of checking out that thread the other day, and part of me will never be the same again Yeeeeeshhh. There should be some sort of fucking warning before you go in there, something along the lines of "Dear first time travelling mongers to Thailand, please note that the information contained in this thread isn't a true reflection of what Thailand is about, YMMV".
Anyway, having only been to Patts a few times, I consider myself a noob. But even a noob like me was able to get some 6's off Thai Friendly and that shithole Dollhouse. Guys familiar with Jungle Bar should know the girl with the red hair named Sunny. The other 2 are TF girls. All were ST 1500 thb, covered FS, DFK and BBBJ.
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It's her Line pics, so filters added etc. Still cute in person, but a few lb's more than I like, and her legs aren't long, shapely and sexy as I prefer. She was a bit of an extrovert and shy initially, but opened up (excuse the pun) as we got into it. She performed and took instructions well, so no issues. I was there in Feb and she mentioned she was fairly new at Jungle bar. She hangs with another cute chick that I saw in her Line videos who's definitely worth a session too.Nice pics. So only one of the girls in those pics is from a bar, but not a go-go bar, not a Walking Street bar, and you seem to have issues with the way she looks in real life vs the way she appears in her pics, is that right? lol. Just checking.
Ah, ThaiFriendly. Now that is probably something I should try next time I take a mongering side trip to Pattaya. Of course, I would not likely see TF girls showing up for a meeting in a bar, restaurant or arriving at a punter's hotel room. So my observations and experiences on Walking Street would not really apply to TF girls.
As it is now, even though I filter out TF girls more than 25 kilometers from Bangkok, I still get a lot of Interested clicks and messages to meet from very cute Pattaya girls on TF. As cute if not cuter in their pics than the ones I've seen here. And that is despite the fact that my profile clearly states I am well over the age of 50 and my pics clearly show I am a farang. How about that? I hope you and others here are very impressed. Hehe.
Feel free at anytime to back up your assumptions with photos of Walking Street gogo bar girls versus Nana or Cowboy's. We are sure, as a resident of Thailand and in all your many years of experience, you have some photos to share because most of us really don't know what the heck you are talking about. Aren't all these bar girls from Isaan? But you make it sound as if Bangkok and Pattaya girls are a different species all together when it comes to the bars. Common sense tells you that Bangkok is a metropolitan city with huge corporations, so of course there are more Thai women who have to dress and look a certain way for work. But the bars and strip clubs? Come on. Anyways, let us see some pics so we can at least have a transparent discussion. Or should everybody just take your word for it since you are the "king" of gogo bars and the expert in these matters? Trust me, I know strip clubs and Pattaya has the best. It's harder to play on Walking Street at the better bars because most are coyote bars with a huge drink salary and commission structure unlike Bangkok, except for the Man from Iran's bars in Cowboy. Nana bars are just brothels, so the girls want go up short time and find the next customer. But I am sure you already know that. Anyways show us the pics of what you are talking about Pattaya versus Bangkok. Thank you very much.YouTube has plenty of up-to-date videos of girls in and around Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy in Bangkok and Walking Street in Pattaya. View a few and judge for yourself.
For comparing line-ups of girls wearing mostly street clothes rather than go-go dancer gear and at as close to the same overall "budget friendly" cost as we're likely to get, I suppose videos inside Thermae in Bangkok and along Soi 6 in Pattaya might work. There are several recent ones on YouTube.
A lot of videographers in both cities are all too often obsessed with training their cameras on ladyboys though. Probably because they are more demonstrative, out there and a lot less camera shy.
It will be interesting when Smooci finally gets their Pattaya option set up. Then we can check out and compare pics (which can always be misleading) and rates of FLs/Escorts in each location too.
Banana Boi
04-05-19, 03:54
The last time I was in Pattaya was three months ago, over the New Years weekend. I didn't hobby at that time because I took a regular Bangkok GF with me. But I have mongered there in the past 6 months to a year. which gogo bars in specific did you actually go to in Pattaya 3 months ago and 6-12 months ago?
I'll be in Bangkok in a few days. Which are currently the best gogo bars I should go to see the hottest girls?
which gogo bars in specific did you actually go to in Pattaya 3 months ago and 6-12 months ago?
I'll be in Bangkok in a few days. Which are currently the best gogo bars I should go to see the hottest girls?I popped into Baccara, Panda and Windmill, of course. My GF wanted to see farangs licking pussy at the bar. None on display while we were there though. Months before that it was those and Sensations, Crazy House, What's Up as I recall.
Last girl I took in Pattaya, must have been last November, was a freelancer I met when I was walking out of a seafood restaurant on Walking Street.
The bars with the hottest barfinable for sex girls in Bangkok are probably Rainbow on the ground level in the back right side corner of Nana Plaza, Billboard Nana Plaza, Baccara and Shark on Soi Cowboy. But, as you know, this can change nightly. Of those, Billboard is the only one I pull from fairly regularly. I don't target the hottest girls in a bar or red light distrct for my purposes. 2nd or middle tier girls ok. But not the hottest.
I have mentioned regular girls working in malls and such with regard to Pattaya only because it is a notable characteristic of Pattaya, imo, that there are very few 8's, 9's or 10's relative to any group in the city.Of course there are more 8's, 9's and 10's in Bangkok than in Pattaya. Bangkok is a metropole with a dense population of 14 million people, while Pattaya is just a provincial town with about 100,000 people.
Just like some other guys here I'm getting tired of your constant Pattaya bashing.
MP is alive and well but is choosing not to post for reasons I have not asked and he has not shared.
SNIP
I can't obviously vouch for any donation he may or may not have made, but wonder upon the need to diss the guy when he is not here to defend himself.He's still a member of this board and if he's alive and well, like you say, then he can still defend himself.
Christian G
04-05-19, 09:45
He's still a member of this board and if he's alive and well, like you say, then he can still defend himself.Please no, the forum don't need his BS again.
CamelToePokema
04-05-19, 09:53
Thanks to all the helpful feedback from fellow ISG's. I appreciate all the helpful input and have been trying to learn from it. Last week I did go to Sumjit Bar near Soi 10 and I picked up a girl. THB 1500 LT and BF of 500. She had a few piercings. She was friendly and tried to please in bed. Had a good session with her. I'm not sure if I would repeat her as her piercing or her teeth were not too kind on junior.
CamelToePokema
04-05-19, 10:22
A few days ago was walking past a bar near LK Metro on my way to get dinner, when a cute looking girl smiled at me. I didn't want to miss this opportunity, so I stepped back and spoke to her. Asked her if she is interested in LT and she agreed. Normally I eat in at the restaurant, but since I didn't want to miss this opportunity, got the food to go and walked back to the bar. This time the mamasan? Told me that she was the only bar girl and she couldn't come right now as the bar would be empty and offered me ST. I told her no hurry and suggested if I can stop by after 10 pm for LT. She agreed, so I came back again around 10:30 or so. I got a Coke / Pepsi and got her a beer. After a little while, I took her back to my hotel. She had the best body of all the girls I had met so far. No baby damage, but she declined DFK. This was a bummer, but I did not push it. I started with good foreplay and was enjoying her body. I got her all worked up and she was nice and wet and she wanted me to put it in without any protection. My common sense was not part of the equation and I went ahead with it. I pulled out just in time. Then we went to sleep. Somewhere in the middle of the night or early morning, johnny woke me up and I started caressing her body. She woke up and we went at it again without any protection. Then she left. Damages were THB 1500 + 400 BF.
Since this has been my best experience so far, I knew I was going to BF her again. I went to the bar yesterday hoping to pick her up. She declined saying she is tired and sleepy. I'm not sure if she was saying the truth or she is gently trying to blow me off. Either way it will be confirmed as I plan on asking her again tonight. If she still says no, then I guess she is not interested. It's a strange feeling that as a paying customer I have to do all the selling, buy oh well. FML.
Jimmy Jimms
04-05-19, 12:06
I popped into Baccara, Panda and Windmill, of course. My GF wanted to see farangs licking pussy at the bar. None on display while we were there though. Months before that it was those and Sensations, Crazy House, What's Up as I recall.
Last girl I took in Pattaya, must have been last November, was a freelancer I met when I was walking out of a seafood restaurant on Walking Street.
The bars with the hottest barfinable for sex girls in Bangkok are probably Rainbow on the ground level in the back right side corner of Nana Plaza, Billboard Nana Plaza, Baccara and Shark on Soi Cowboy. But, as you know, this can change nightly. Of those, Billboard is the only one I pull from fairly regularly. I don't target the hottest girls in a bar or red light distrct for my purposes. 2nd or middle tier girls ok. But not the hottest.On a recent night at Rainbw 2 at 10 pm I mentioned to a girl it might be well time to go back to the 2,000 sex fee. She laughed. 50 girls with 5 customers is no laughing matter. MethinkS.
PerhapS Monkey Paw is back in the big house. LOL.
Of course there are more 8's, 9's and 10's in Bangkok than in Pattaya. Bangkok is a metropole with a dense population of 14 million people, while Pattaya is just a provincial town with about 100,000 people.
Just like some other guys here I'm getting tired of your constant Pattaya bashing.I just praised posted pics of presumed Pattaya girls and said I often get very cute girls from Pattaya clicking Interested and sending me messages.
The size of Pattaya vs Bkk is only one contributing factor for why there are so few "Top Girls" there (maybe 20-25?) and their service levels as reported seem to be so basic and uninspiring that they have virtually no influence on raising the game of the much larger 2nd tier or middle group.
Above average Bangkok girls can take a 3 hour bus ride to Pattaya for a few days at a time if they want to be Big Fish in a Little Pond. Some do. But most don't. And it isn't because Pattaya is too small a city.
Goferring, I noticed on a few of your reviews you mentioned you are not seeing much at Walking Street gogo bars but you do not mention which bars you are going to...BBoi, don't quote me but I'm pretty sure my previous visits were to Bliss, Taboo, Farenheit and Baccarat. The last two had the better looking girls. Having said that they were also the girls who were more curvaceous with a tinge of baby fat. Perhaps being busier meant they were eating more protein and western meals with Johns and Sponsors.
I've allready listed my description of a pretty girl so YMMV depending on your preferences.
Enjoy. G.
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