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I bought a box of 50 of the "100 mg" doses for 1200 baht from a street vendor on 2nd road. This is about the going rate for 20 Kamagra 100 mg tablets. Too good to be true. I don't think the jelly contains what it says on the label. I took two jelly doses two days in a row and it didn't feel any stronger than half a 100 mg Kamagra tablet. I'll probably throw away the jellies before flying to Europe as it would be daft to get fined at customs for bogus 100mg doses.I've had this happen to me too. Bought a box in BKK a couple of years ago, got massive headaches and no boner! Just not worth the risk. Also alarmed at the follow up post to see what the ingredients might be. Better buying from a pharmacy, paying a bit more but ensuring you get the real deal.
Whilst on the topic of ED / enhancers, not identical but related. I've read online that it is illegal to bring poppers into Thailand. Is that right? Don't want to even risk doing anything that could land me in trouble but I do like poppers. Lots of confusing stuff on the net saying they are banned / illegal, and other sites and guys saying never had a problem even when cases searched and bottles have been openly on display in toiletry bags. Does anyone know the real answer? And are they on sale too in the streets / sex shops? If yes are they fake too?
Samson6208
12-12-19, 07:16
Had a friend come back from Pattaya a few weeks ago and some of the hotties in Palace were saying that the bar fine was 2000 and girl was 3000. Any one know if this is true? Headed down there tomorrow. Thanks.
Christian G
12-12-19, 12:16
I bought a box of 50 of the "100 mg" doses for 1200 baht from a street vendor on 2nd road. This is about the going rate for 20 Kamagra 100 mg tablets. Too good to be true. I don't think the jelly contains what it says on the label. I took two jelly doses two days in a row and it didn't feel any stronger than half a 100 mg Kamagra tablet. I'll probably throw away the jellies before flying to Europe as it would be daft to get fined at customs for bogus 100mg doses.Some years ago I found fake kamagra jelly twice in 2 different pharmacy on soi buakhao. Bought 3/4 kamagra jelly boxes from street vendors in BKK and PTY and always fine. So need to be always careful.
Some years ago I found fake kamagra jelly twice in 2 different pharmacy on soi buakhao. Bought 3/4 kamagra jelly boxes from street vendors in BKK and PTY and always fine. So need to be always careful.What did the jelly taste like? I bought 2 doses of another jelly some two weeks ago and the jelly had a definite acrid taste of crushed sildenafil tablets. However this one I'm complaining about has no such unpleasant taste.
Christian G
12-12-19, 17:09
What did the jelly taste like? I bought 2 doses of another jelly some two weeks ago and the jelly had a definite acrid taste of crushed sildenafil tablets. However this one I'm complaining about has no such unpleasant taste.I haven't even tried it. When I opened the sachet the jelly was completely different, opened many sachets in the box and all looked very bad. I didn't dare try it and I threw the whole box in the trash.
Had a friend come back from Pattaya a few weeks ago and some of the hotties in Palace were saying that the bar fine was 2000 and girl was 3000. Any one know if this is true? Headed down there tomorrow. Thanks.For models before midnight barfine is 2000 TBH and 1500 after. For coyotes it's 1500/1000 before / after midnight. You should expect to pay the lady around 3000 for short time and 5000 for long time in Palace.
For models before midnight barfine is 2000 TBH and 1500 after. For coyotes it's 1500/1000 before / after midnight. You should expect to pay the lady around 3000 for short time and 5000 for long time in Palace.Wow! With current exchange rates it is actually cheaper in Europe now!
Crocodilexp
12-13-19, 11:02
I bought a box of 50 of the "100 mg" (Kamagra) doses... I don't think the jelly contains what it says on the label.Says "Store below 30 see" right there on the pack. The street vendor has certainly not done that. Might be either a fake or simply old expired stock. I think the likelihood of fakes is higher when buying a "genuine" Viagra at a high price (from a dodgy pharmacy), since they have an incentive to make it look good. Cheap stuff is more likely to be simply inconsistent.
There's a Thai-made generic, Sidegra for 100 baht 4 x50 MG and 180 baht 4 x100 MG. It almost certainly won't be a fake since it's domestically produced and so cheap that fakes wouldn't be profitable. I've been using it for years, and it works well. Perhaps 1 in 10 tablets appears not to do as much as I expect, but perhaps it's me (taking it improperly with food, taking too long etc).
I don't see the appeal of a jelly, it tastes awful, and unlike the pill, you can't swallow it. Maybe it's better for micro-dosing (easier to get, say 1/4 or 1/3 of a pack), if that's your thing. However, active ingredient is not evenly spread, so when you split a pill or a jelly pack, you don't know how much you're getting.
Member #4698
12-13-19, 13:55
I never bought my Vitamins off the street no matter how cheap they were or how "reliable" (LOL) the street vendor. I think buying MEDICINE off the street is INSANE. Instead I always purchased large quantities without a prescription in national brand name pharmacies like Guardian in Jakarta and Mercury in Manila. In BKK no such luck in the brand name joints, so I used to purchase smaller quantities at the now deceased Charoen pharmacy near Soi 4. Charoen was always reliable, but I always insisted on at least 1 year remaining to the expiration date before making my purchase with them. But all that has changed since generic Viagra (Sildenafil) is now available with a prescription in the USA: I no longer purchase the product in Asia.
Currently I am paying around $1. 00 per 100 MG pill and of course the pills are 100% effective, factory fresh & up to date, and stored in temperature controlled environment. These generics are made in Israel and I get no headaches from them. Go figure. So next trip, just like my last trip, I will be armed with 2 bottles of 100 MG Sildenafil each bottle containing 40 pills, all legal with my name, the name of my doctor, and my prescription # printed on the label. That should be enough ammunition to last me through my 11 week trip, 555, but if I run out it will probably be in Jakarta, so I will just pop into a Guardian Pharmacy and buy a couple of boxes. This is a real Game Changer!
For models before midnight barfine is 2000 TBH and 1500 after. For coyotes it's 1500/1000 before / after midnight. You should expect to pay the lady around 3000 for short time and 5000 for long time in Palace.How hot are these girls? Anyone here who had been to Nataree when they were in business who has recently been to Palace? How do the girls compare?
My limited experience with Sidegra is that it works slightly less well than the dark green Kamagra tablets sold in packs of four. I've bought the latter in the street from different peddlers and never had a pack that was a dud.
Plus, I can easily break the Kamagras in roughly equal bits with my fingers.
Engine Driver
12-17-19, 10:42
I go to Pattaya regularly and of course notice that the influx of Indian men is quite overwhelming. It is expected that Indian visitors will increase in the coming years. I am afraid this will have a bad effect on the place. The vibe around these guys are not good. For several reason as stated many times also on this forum. Personally I have met Indian business-men that is actually very likeable and act like gentlemen. They dress nice, appear clean and well behaved. But I can not get my head around the behaviour of the Indian "wolf packs" in Pattaya. Why do they always hunt in groups? Why they hold hands like they were gay? Why always haggle about the price, even it is said the men are generally from middle- to upper class Indians (poor classes in India can not afford to travel anywhere). Maybe someone born in India can actually tell us what this is all about? There is a horrible rape-culture in India, but I won't go into that. I can not belive those going on a holiday to Thailand really hold such attitudes, but who knows. I have never been to India, so I am quite ignorant about the whole culture. I just scratch my head on the strange behaviour these men show when they visit Thailand.Oh are we back to Indian bashing again? Sorry, I didn't get the memo. Hahaha. Why are you so concerned with what others are doing? What's it to you if they all hold hands? Let the girls deal with the wolf packs. They are highly experienced and know how to deal with them. It's not your concern.
Yes you are very ignorant about Indian culture as you rightly say, so there's definitely no need to raise the subject of rape culture. It's an unnecessary comment in this context. Let Thai LE deal with it if there's a problem.
Perhaps just focus on your own pussy hunting and stop making an issue out of nothing. It's not adding any value.
While you are scratching your head and the fat white fucks are getting drunk each night, those Indians are doing very nicely and getting all the poontang. Can't see too many Thai chicks complaining.
Oh are we back to Indian bashing again? Sorry, I didn't get the memo. Hahaha. Why are you so concerned with what others are doing? What's it to you if they all hold hands? Let the girls deal with the wolf packs. They are highly experienced and know how to deal with them. It's not your concern.
Yes you are very ignorant about Indian culture as you rightly say, so there's definitely no need to raise the subject of rape culture. It's an unnecessary comment in this context. Let Thai LE deal with it if there's a problem.
Perhaps just focus on your own pussy hunting and stop making an issue out of nothing. It's not adding any value.
While you are scratching your head and the fat white fucks are getting drunk each night, those Indians are doing very nicely and getting all the poontang. Can't see too many Thai chicks complaining.I agree with you mostly, focus on what you are doing and live and let live. Please don't complain about stereotyping and then call all white people fat drunks. Thai girls who prefer western men do complain about Indians as I am sure Thai chicks who go with Indians probably complain about white guys.
Engine Driver
12-18-19, 01:50
I agree with you mostly, focus on what you are doing and live and let live. Please don't complain about stereotyping and then call all white people fat drunks. Thai girls who prefer western men do complain about Indians as I am sure Thai chicks who go with Indians probably complain about white guys.Good point. Maybe you are a slim muscly guy who drinks Coke Zero. Most guys who come from rich White Man Land are obese.
Girls always tell you what you want to hear. Very true.
Good point. Maybe you are a slim muscly guy who drinks Coke Zero. Most guys who come from rich White Man Land are obese.
Girls always tell you what you want to hear. Very true.Really? Almost all of my white man land friends who live here are slim trim and in shape. That includes dudes of all ages.
Banana Boi
12-18-19, 05:45
There are stereotypes and racism almost daily on this board. Guys have stereotypes of Japanese and Koreans with their '333' and other derogatory remarks. The term 'Jap' is actually an ethnic slur but guys here use it all the time.
Really? Almost all of my white man land friends who live here are slim trim and in shape. That includes dudes of all ages.You clearly don't come to Pattaya often.
You clearly don't come to Pattaya often.I find Pattaya quite depressing. Seeing the old alcoholics out drinking at 8 am. The human detritus can be overwhelming.
You're right, I don't go to Pattaya often. Bangkok does have a better class of expat overall.
LittleBigMan
12-18-19, 13:20
There are stereotypes and racism almost daily on this board. Guys have stereotypes of Japanese and Koreans with their '333' and other derogatory remarks. The term 'Jap' is actually an ethnic slur but guys here use it all the time.
You clearly don't come to Pattaya often.Thanks for pointing that out! Being an Asian when I came on this board which was a long long time ago. Yes everyone has stereotypes and generalization and that includes Indians. I find it funny Indians get upset about the generalization but haven't seen one step up to defend anyone else, especially like the 'term Jap", is used and often on this board.
Preaching Morality and Ethics to a Big Group of Mongers, LMAO!! One must have a thick skin here. LOL.
For models before midnight barfine is 2000 TBH and 1500 after. For coyotes it's 1500/1000 before / after midnight. You should expect to pay the lady around 3000 for short time and 5000 for long time in Palace.Excuse my ignorance but I was always under the impression that Pattaya was more of a budget type of destination. Looking around the Thai forum, these rates are not far off from playing in Vegas. What gives?
I find Pattaya quite depressing. Seeing the old alcoholics out drinking at 8 am.....They can't afford the girls anymore but they can still afford the beer.
Member #4698
12-18-19, 15:37
I find Pattaya quite depressing. Seeing the old alcoholics out drinking at 8 am. The human detritus can be overwhelming.
You're right, I don't go to Pattaya often. Bangkok does have a better class of expat overall.Yes, "the mongers that time left behind" are a depressing sight. You see a lot of that in AC too. But I have learned to tune it out. That is the secret to getting by & enjoying Pattaya, the pearl of the gulf of Siam.
Excuse my ignorance but I was always under the impression that Pattaya was more of a budget type of destination. Looking around the Thai forum, these rates are not far off from playing in Vegas. What gives?The question that I answered was about the prices in Palace Agogo, which is one of the most expensive places in Pattaya to visit if you want to barfine ladies. There are many other Agogo's, beer bars, Coconut bar, dating app's etc where you can find ladies at much lower prices.
Mr Enternational
12-18-19, 17:48
Excuse my ignorance but I was always under the impression that Pattaya was more of a budget type of destination. Looking around the Thai forum, these rates are not far off from playing in Vegas. What gives?Those are gogo bar establishment prices. Pricing does that when there are middlemen to be paid. You can find the same girls on their time off or freelancers for much less.
Guys have stereotypes of Japanese and Koreans with their '333' and other derogatory remarks.Guys,
Did not make up that stereotype? That originated from the girls. I've had multiple girls tell me that about Asians and they laugh and say "it's true".
Unfortunately, it's also true about me, but that's another story.
I don't consider it to be derogatory in any way. Just the truth.
Banana Boi
12-18-19, 22:48
There are many other Agogo's, <snip> where you can find ladies at much lower prices.Which Pattaya gogo bars have cheaper rates for girls than Palace? Maybe I'm ignorant because I thought Pattaya gogo bar rates for ST and LT were pretty standard.
Yes, "the mongers that time left behind" are a depressing sight. You see a lot of that in AC too. But I have learned to tune it out. That is the secret to getting by & enjoying Pattaya, the pearl of the gulf of Siam.I simply cannot ignore it. Back in the day, 15 years or so ago, when Pattaya was less developed, it was easy to ignore during low season because the town was empty. Loved it. Now, not only do you have the old drunks, but it's just plain crowded all the time.
Banana Boi
12-19-19, 06:54
Yes, "the mongers that time left behind" are a depressing sight. That's a nice way of putting it. Not sure how they can be ignored especially all the guys in those Soi Buakhao beer bars who start drinking in the morning because the beers are cheaper.
Ass Addict
12-19-19, 09:23
That's a nice way of putting it. Not sure how they can be ignored especially all the guys in those Soi Buakhao beer bars who start drinking in the morning because the beers are cheaper.It's easy to ignore these guys. Just rent a bike and don't walk.
It's the best way to ignore most of the annoying stuff in Pattaya but then you have to deal with the Thai drivers and traffic police.
That's a nice way of putting it. Not sure how they can be ignored especially all the guys in those Soi Buakhao beer bars who start drinking in the morning because the beers are cheaper.That's the place. Really the bottom of the barrel there.
Which Pattaya gogo bars have cheaper rates for girls than Palace? Maybe I'm ignorant because I thought Pattaya gogo bar rates for ST and LT were pretty standard.From the top of my head I can name some Pattaya gogo bars where I have paid less than the ST< rates mentioned in that original post, E. G. Sapphire, Lighthouse, Bliss, Beach Club, Happy, Electric Blue, Dollhouse and Crazy House. Though, in E. G. Palace Agogo I have been paying 3000 baht for ST.
They can't afford the girls anymore but they can still afford the beer.Those old blokes got the best of Pattaya and probably the best of SEA. What a story they could tell if only the booze hadn't dulled the brain and clouded the memory!
Those old blokes got the best of Pattaya and probably the best of SEA. What a story they could tell if only the booze hadn't dulled the brain and clouded the memory!Age caught up with them. That is all and how do you all know they don't have money to spend? What if they like drinking whole day? Not just morning? What if one of them was a millionaire and is tired of all that pussy and just relaxing? What if he had lost his better half and is just pushing time?
We are despising Indians in Group and aged white men too now? We all may not stay young forever.
OS.
Those old blokes got the best of Pattaya and probably the best of SEA. What a story they could tell if only the booze hadn't dulled the brain and clouded the memory!20 years ago Pattaya was excellent, and so was the rest of SEA. I'm glad I have not clouded my memories with booze.
It's easy to ignore these guys.There's Drunk ole guys in Pattaya?! I hear there's a Beach too! What others do, is None of My Bin-ness. All I see are yummy Thai babes. LOL.
JohnnieBravo
12-20-19, 04:41
Hello:
I was wondering if anyone might have any leads on where one might find a pregnant girl? Also wondered if anyone has any idea where one might be able to place any ads online to be able to look for one?
Thanks,
JB.
Hello:
I was wondering if anyone might have any leads on where one might find a pregnant girl? Also wondered if anyone has any idea where one might be able to place any ads online to be able to look for one?
Thanks,
JB.Easier to find them in PI. Especially low season.
Mr Enternational
12-20-19, 05:29
I was wondering if anyone might have any leads on where one might find a pregnant girl? Also wondered if anyone has any idea where one might be able to place any ads online to be able to look for one?I really have not seen pregnant Thai chicks out hoeing as you may see in other countries. Every now and then there are reports here of one being on Beach Road though.
Age caught up with them. That is all and how do you all know they don't have money to spend? What if they like drinking whole day? Not just morning? What if one of them was a millionaire and is tired of all that pussy and just relaxing? What if he had lost his better half and is just pushing time?
We are despising Indians in Group and aged white men too now? We all may not stay young forever.
OS.I'm not young; far from it. But I'm not sitting in a bar at 8 am, unkempt, smelling, drinking the cheapest local swill I can find, and looking like I've been pulled out of a cat's ass. It's not a club I want to be in nor one I want to have my senses subjected to. One of the main reasons I never liked AC.
Banana Boi
12-21-19, 13:30
Indian based Baku Group intends to turn Avenue Mall to a 3rd gogo bar area in Pattaya set to open March 31,2020. It will be named Avenue Plaza. Baku Group runs Baku lounge, Baku 6, why Bar, Bachelor's A Go Go, The Roof, 15th Avenue and Sensations Bar. Sensations bar is a ladyboy bar. It IS NOT Sensations a gogo on Walking Street.
Now I can go to Villa Market then bring my groceries and toilet paper in to a gogo bar at Avenue Plaza.
Member #4643
12-21-19, 15:28
I am American and I am not lower class, but I always haggle about the price as well in countries where haggling is a part of the culture.....Why would I not haggle when buying in a market or renting some pussy? In that type of environment paying the first price given is for suckers.....Once I bought some toys from a street vendor. Whatever he was selling them for he had the price on a piece of cardboard for suckers. When I started haggling he turned the cardboard over to the other side where he had the price written as damn near half of what it was on the initial side. He started smiling and said shhhhh. That is the same shit that I say about Soi 6..... Why pay more when you can pay less by uttering a few words? Don't let your ego get in the way of getting a good deal.
I am an American too, and I do not haggle. Please rest assured that I am NOT trying to increase prices for my fellow mongerers.
I do not haggle for a few reasons. First, I earn at least 200 - 300 times more money than the street vendor. It's bad karma to fleece the poor. Second (this one relates specifically to mongering), haggling often leads to crappy service. I will say that I have often asked for a lower price when accepting an absurdly high price would make me look exceedingly foolish; foolish guys, like cheap ones, also get bad service. Under these circumstances, if a reasonable reduction is not immediately and happily forthcoming, I walk away.
Mr Enternational
12-21-19, 18:22
Second (this one relates specifically to mongering), haggling often leads to crappy service.This is a ridiculous argument. I haggle all the time and next to never receive crappy service. Can you tell about a time that you haggled and received crappy service? Can you tell about a time that you did not haggle and received crappy service? How do you know that it was the haggling (and not something else) that led to the crappy service? There is absolutely no way to conclude this unless the girl told you straight up the reason she gave you crappy service is because you haggled.
When I get a taxi at BKK airport I go upstairs and haggle with the guys for 900 baht. I never receive crappy service. Unless the guys paying 1500 baht are receiving massages and being fed grapes by hand, as far as I know it is the same ride they are getting.
Just because someone provides a service does not mean they are great at providing the service whether you haggle with them or not. I ended up taking one shop that worked on my motorcycle to court because of crappy service. It took them 7 months to do a job they told me it would take 1 month to do. They lost parts to my bike. They did not replace all the bolts to my bike. My bike was still not running right when they returned it to me and I had to pay another shop $600 to do it right after I had already paid them $1800. I did not haggle with them. I paid the price they told me. So what was their excuse for providing crappy service?
And dare I mention FL Hawk's report when he got the girl from the Walking Street gogo spending about 10,000 baht just to receive crappy service. What is the excuse for that? Meanwhile I have haggled for 1000 baht with the same chicks that charge exorbitant fees in these gogo bars and received excellent service.
Haggling means shit toward the service you get. You can get great service for free and you can get shitty service even if you pay the $1,000,000 original asking price.
I am an American too, and I do not haggle. Please rest assured that I am NOT trying to increase prices for my fellow mongerers.
I do not haggle for a few reasons. First, I earn at least 200 - 300 times more money than the street vendor. It's bad karma to fleece the poor. Second (this one relates specifically to mongering), haggling often leads to crappy service. I will say that I have often asked for a lower price when accepting an absurdly high price would make me look exceedingly foolish; foolish guys, like cheap ones, also get bad service. Under these circumstances, if a reasonable reduction is not immediately and happily forthcoming, I walk away.I always haggle, never tip, and have gotten great service from p4 p gals for over 20 years as a resident of LOS. It makes no difference what "we" make, it's all about the local economy.
Indian based Baku Group intends to turn Avenue Mall to a 3rd gogo bar area in Pattaya set to open March 31,2020. It will be named Avenue Plaza. Baku Group runs Baku lounge, Baku 6, why Bar, Bachelor's A Go Go, The Roof, 15th Avenue and Sensations Bar. Sensations bar is a ladyboy bar. It IS NOT Sensations a gogo on Walking Street.They need to hire more girls. All their clubs and bars are insufficiently staffed.
Banana Boi
12-22-19, 06:44
They need to hire more girls. All their clubs and bars are insufficiently staffed.How many of their bars have you gone to? I only visited Bachelor gogo in LK Metro. Used to visit often and found some nice hidden gems there but can also be a horror show. No big deal it's free to walk in and out. Girl to guy ratio was always good at Bachelor since usually only had less than 5 guys. It was also a fairly dirty bar no one reviews on here. Pear used to work there before too luring customers in to the bar until Kink stole her away.
edit - I may have gone in to Baku Soi 6 too for some shade one day.
Indian based Baku Group intends to turn Avenue Mall to a 3rd gogo bar area in Pattaya set to open March 31,2020. It will be named Avenue Plaza. Baku Group runs Baku lounge, Baku 6, why Bar, Bachelor's A Go Go, The Roof, 15th Avenue and Sensations Bar. Sensations bar is a ladyboy bar. It IS NOT Sensations a gogo on Walking Street.
Now I can go to Villa Market then bring my groceries and toilet paper in to a gogo bar at Avenue Plaza.Avenue Plaza as in Nana Plaza style set up?
Where will they get decent looking girls from to work at these places?
Pattaya is already overflowing with a lot of gogo bars that are lucky to have five people in them.
Or maybe some existing gogo bars will relocate??
Catering particularly to Indian clientele is a good idea as according to reports and TAT data they are the number one tourists who have the money.
I wish them luck.
Naked Gunz
12-23-19, 04:01
What an idiot! Don't be this fool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGtGPc27kk.
He being so badly played by a Thai, not even worth anybody's time for the world to see.
Banana Boi
12-23-19, 19:42
Watched the video. I responded in Thailand Lounge and Chat since it is not Pattaya specific.
Indian based Baku Group intends to turn Avenue Mall to a 3rd gogo bar area in Pattaya set to open March 31,2020.Ha ha ha. Just noticed the opening date.
What an idiot! Don't be this fool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGtGPc27kk.
He being so badly played by a Thai, not even worth anybody's time for the world to see.I wouldn't call that guy a fool at all. A Loser yes, but not a fool. He is still with that Thai girl years later and living in an apartment in the USA with her. He still has basically no money to his name and he never did pay any dowry. And the kicker is that Thai girl is still very good to him. He won all the way around.
How many of their bars have you gone to?I think all of them. LOL Club Baku was good when it opened, but now has less girls. Baku Lounge had girls at the previous location. Went to the new location when after they moved in, and had 2 girls. Supposedly they got more now, I'll have to go by it again. The two Baku bars on Soi 6 are constantly dead. Only the New one was Hopping on it's opening day, but its been dead since then. Common problem: not enough girls. Out of all of them, I like Club Baku. I'll keep going back there at least for one beer.
What an idiot! Don't be this fool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGtGPc27kk.
He being so badly played by a Thai, not even worth anybody's time for the world to see.He isn't actually. It's all for show.
They are extremely happy and lovely couple right now. If you follow the 90 day fiance scene you would know. They are hilarious together and actually in love.
LittleBigMan
12-24-19, 14:18
Avenue Plaza as in Nana Plaza style set up?
Where will they get decent looking girls from to work at these places?
Pattaya is already overflowing with a lot of gogo bars that are lucky to have five people in them.
Or maybe some existing gogo bars will relocate??
Catering particularly to Indian clientele is a good idea as according to reports and TAT data they are the number one tourists who have the money.
I wish them luck.It should be noted the new landlord group is Baku (Indian Billionaire) he basically made an offer to the Thai owners who built and run the Avenue for 9 years. The Thai owners had the money to built but since day one had problems filling and keeping tenants it must have been one big headache with Tenants constantly coming and going. Baku makes a great offer to run the Avenue now the Thai owners just sit back and collect the rent from Baku.
Baku being the new landlord couldn't care less directly whether bars or gogo find enough girls that is directly the renter problem although it would benefit him greatly that all business runs in the black. To fill the Avenue he is taking less rent rumor like half of what bars and gogos are paying to top that off he isn't asking for key money upfront to rent that is of major importance to anyone wanting to rent in Pattaya especially in areas like WS and LK.
I just had dinner last night at the new location for Tequila Reef in Welcome town. The TR use to be on Soi 7, for twenty plus years. I was told their lease was for 3 years each renewal just to have the privilege of leasing they had to lay out 3 million baht never return that doesn't include the rent each month. A beer bar I was told went for something like 50,000 baht each month and it also included key money. There is a hair salon between 7-8 closer to Beach Road, a shack pay 50,000 baht a month and another 10,000 baht for electricity and water. Regardless of the area 7-8 business closing the Thai landowner family has no intention of lowering rent in fact it seems as we say all the time when times are bad to raise the prices which is why TR decided to leave.
Whether Baku can make the Avenue successful I'm thankful that there are more options because what isn't going to change is places opening and closing. Many of the BB, Nightwish group? Even rumor the reason why the Happy group closed Peppermint a possible move to get in first. Rent is half with no key money! Smart move so far?
As for Baku, so call Gentlemens clubs opening all over the place same as the Nightwish group I've been to the majority of them once they are all the same not a lot of customers reason why not enough girls you lay on your back and spread your legs to make money and that requires customer they are daytime places mostly reason pretty much empty at night. Every time I go in for the first time they think I'm police.
Enjoy, Merry Christmas Happy New Year! You know what they say. Next year same shit different day!
Naked Gunz
12-25-19, 04:12
I wouldn't call that guy a fool at all. A Loser yes, but not a fool. He is still with that Thai girl years later and living in an apartment in the USA with her. He still has basically no money to his name and he never did pay any dowry. And the kicker is that Thai girl is still very good to him. He won all the way around.
He isn't actually. It's all for show. They are extremely happy and lovely couple right now. If you follow the 90 day fiance scene you would know. They are hilarious together and actually in love.Yeah, your right, I don't follow bullshit "reality TV", cause I can't stomach it. I have never seen such stupid shit in my life. Has the world gone mad? Our heroes cured diseases, died for world peace, and changed society for good of man. Now am supposed to hang on to yet another dumbass that too stupid to know you don't buy Thai Kunt demanding a dowry for the family. Another example of people airing there laundry on social media and TV. I guess I'm the "old dude" in the room that won't change. I just want a good shag for not too much money and the world aint got to know about it. I just posted this dude for the obvious newb to beware for the Thai dollardigger. If their happy, its only for TV. The TV show prolly paid for all their shit, and once the cameras are gone, she will be gone to the first cute boy that make a move on her with her new green card.
Those are gogo bar establishment prices. Pricing does that when there are middlemen to be paid. You can find the same girls on their time off or freelancers for much less.I see. I was just taken back that some sessions can go for like 100 us. I was looking through the BKK escort section and those are like oc MP rates. Is it worth the trip for someone that's not thrilled about being on a plane for so long?
Banana Boi
12-26-19, 02:28
I see. I was just taken back that some sessions can go for like 100 us. I was looking through the BKK escort section and those are like oc MP rates. Is it worth the trip for someone that's not thrilled about being on a plane for so long?None of us enjoy flying half way around the world unless we're in business class in a lay flat bed. I can advise you if you think 100 USD is a lot to pick up a top girl in Bangkok or Pattaya then you're likely better off not coming to Thailand if you're looking for top looking girls. Not all of us have the skill set that someone like Mr. E has to pick up top Pattaya girls for 700 baht. Expats like Mr. E and I also have time to our advantage as we can wait a girl's 10 day work rotation to end and see the girl on a day off, saving the barfine. I'm not saying that you would be unable to find a top looking girl in Thailand for 3000 baht but you're going to have to do some searching.
As you likely already read a top looking gogo girl in Pattaya from a bar like Palace or Sensations could run you 7000 baht ST including barfine and a few rounds of drinks. Add 2000 more if you want LT. Of course if you want run of the mill gogo girls you can still find them within your budget, on Soi 6, G clubs, massage joints, etc in Pattaya. But did you really dread flying across the world to look for mediocre looking girls?
Thailand is by far not the cheapest place to monger based on girl prices and hotels. If you want cheaper options, consider Jakarta, Phnom Penh, Angeles City, and Laos.
I see. I was just taken back that some sessions can go for like 100 us. I was looking through the BKK escort section and those are like oc MP rates. Is it worth the trip for someone that's not thrilled about being on a plane for so long?In a nutshell, no it isn't worth it unless you have a specific fetish for Thai women. As Banana Boi stated, there are other places in Asia that are not as expensive and since you are in the US flying to South America is less stressful on the body and there are plenty of places with great gals that are not as expensive as Thailand. Argentina's economy is not so great now, so I am sure if your Spanish is good and you are adroit on the web, there will be some great gals that are way cheaper than BKK. I would not choose Thailand as a P4 P destination these days. IMHO the value is just not there. These gals are no more worth 100 USD short time then I am worth a million dollar football contract at my advanced age. To each his own, there are people that still think it is ok at these prices; I am not one of them.
In a nutshell, no it isn't worth it unless you have a specific fetish for Thai women. As Banana Boi stated, there are other places in Asia that are not as expensive and since you are in the US flying to South America is less stressful on the body and there are plenty of places with great gals that are not as expensive as Thailand. Argentina's economy is not so great now, so I am sure if your Spanish is good and you are adroit on the web, there will be some great gals that are way cheaper than BKK. I would not choose Thailand as a P4 P destination these days. IMHO the value is just not there. These gals are no more worth 100 USD short time then I am worth a million dollar football contract at my advanced age. To each his own, there are people that still think it is ok at these prices; I am not one of them.If you don't think Thailand is good for P4P, what would you suggest is worth it? What would make 100 usd worth it?
If you don't think Thailand is good for P4P, what would you suggest is worth it? What would make 100 usd worth it?Save a little money up and go to an FKK. Or try to make it in the USA. 20 years ago, you came to Thailand to monger. After that, you figured out it was a cool place and you came back for other reasons. For those of us coming here for years and / or living here, we know how to play the game and mongering is just another thing on the list we can do.
But coming here because you are looking for cheap sex? Nope. Unless you are into Chicken Shacks, and you would need someone local to tell you where they are. The days of Third World sex prices in Thailand diedn 15 years ago plus. Now its just another country where you can get laid at a price.
Which of those places is easiest to get around? Vientiane Laos or Phnom Penh, are they places you would recommend to someone who just wants an easy safe mongering stop for a week or two?
Thailand is by far not the cheapest place to monger based on girl prices and hotels. If you want cheaper options, consider Jakarta, Phnom Penh, Angeles City, and Laos.
Banana Boi
12-26-19, 13:19
Which of those places is easiest to get around? Vientiane Laos or Phnom Penh, are they places you would recommend to someone who just wants an easy safe mongering stop for a week or two?PP is very safe and very easy to get around since it is tiny. The main area is 6 very short blocks by 2 regular blocks where all the bars are. Pontoon and Le Cyrcee are also within walking distance but you may want to pay $2 for a tuk tuk ride instead. Darling Darling at the Naga World casino is also a short tuk tuk ride away. There are other bars nearby on the 170's streets.
Spending 2 weeks in PP for me was long. I prefer 3 or 4 night visits if I go. It's only a 1 hour AirAsia plane ride for under 100 USD from Bangkok.
flying to South America is less stressful on the body and there are plenty of places with great gals that are not as expensive as Thailand. Argentina's economy is not so great now, so I am sure if your Spanish is good and you are adroit on the web.Argentina, NO!! I'm sure the guys on the Argentina board will disagree with me. But! I was in Buenos Aires a few years ago, and stayed in the downtown area. Went to a lot of places. NOT once did I see a head turner. Got to any major city in the world and you'll find beautiful women. Not in Argentina, at least for me. I also don't recommend The Dominican Republic, unless you like starfishes.
But did you really dread flying across the world to look for mediocre looking girls?Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'll take a 7-8 mediocre girl over a starfish 10, with GPS. A less than 10 will perform better, IME. That guy crying over 100 usd! US escorts are averaging 350 usd and up. 100 usd equals a Quick visit with women on the ole backpage forum, or 3-4 BJ's from a street hooker. LMAO.
Long-Time On The Way Out.
Bargirls today have little interest in entertaining customers these days, be it in the bar or the bedroom. The so-called girlfriend experience – where a customer takes a lady not just for the night, but for many days, maybe a week or longer – is all but a memory.
Long-time is on the way out. Throw silly money at a lady today and you might get a whole night of adult fun entertainment with some ladies. Might. But it's on the way out so enjoy it while it lasts.
And expect short-time to get even shorter. Short-time hotels used to offer rooms in for one hours. Now it's one. What's next? 45 minutes, or less?
Read sticks blog for more.
Argentina, NO!! I'm sure the guys on the Argentina board will disagree with me. But! I was in Buenos Aires a few years ago, and stayed in the downtown area. Went to a lot of places. NOT once did I see a head turner. Got to any major city in the world and you'll find beautiful women. Not in Argentina, at least for me. I also don't recommend The Dominican Republic, unless you like starfishes.Most of the action in BA is online. And your Spanish needs to be passable.
Argentina, NO!! I'm sure the guys on the Argentina board will disagree with me. But! I was in Buenos Aires a few years ago, and stayed in the downtown area. Went to a lot of places. NOT once did I see a head turner. Got to any major city in the world and you'll find beautiful women. Not in Argentina, at least for me. I also don't recommend The Dominican Republic, unless you like starfishes.I'm glad that I'm the beholder that I am. Of all the countries I have been to Argentina rates number 3 in terms of the most beautiful women after Sweden and Italy. Walking the streets of BA my head turned every few seconds. I sessioned some of the most beautiful women I've been to bed with there. The 2013/14 crackdown dealt me a severe blow.
Argentina, NO!! I'm sure the guys on the Argentina board will disagree with me. But! I was in Buenos Aires a few years ago, and stayed in the downtown area. Went to a lot of places. NOT once did I see a head turner. Got to any major city in the world and you'll find beautiful women. Not in Argentina, at least for me. I also don't recommend The Dominican Republic, unless you like starfishes.I was in BA, Argentina a few years ago, and I had the same experience. My best sessions there were with girls from the DR, Paraguay, and Colombia. Argentinian working girls were a disaster. I enjoyed the city of Buenos Aires however, great food and a great place to visit. I never went back, due to poor mongering experience.
If you don't think Thailand is good for P4P, what would you suggest is worth it? What would make 100 usd worth it?One reason that Thailand has become less value for money is the strength of the Thai Baht. Even just 4 years ago the Baht was over 36, now it's just over 30. That's a big difference. Plus the girls have oput there prices up. 2,500 THB was US $70 in 2015, now 3,000 THB is US $100.
Jakarta is a pretty good place, lots of really pretty girls, good accommodation and food. Laos is ok but if you get caught with a local girl you could be in big trouble. Rare that it happens these days but you never know. Lots of Vietnamese girls there anyway, you're safe from LE with them.
Mr Enternational
12-27-19, 12:28
One reason that Thailand has become less value for money is the strength of the Thai Baht. Even just 4 years ago the Baht was over 36, now it's just over 30. That's a big difference. Plus the girls have oput there prices up. 2,500 THB was US $70 in 2015, now 3,000 THB is US $100.What girls have put their prices up? Only ones I see putting prices up are bars and gogos. As far as girls, I am still paying them the same 1000 baht LT as I always have. I would defintiely be out of the game if I had to run around giving chicks 2500 and 3000 baht. Definitely not worth that to me.
Coyote girls will go short time but it willl cost over 20 k for a very short time. They say they won't but a big fee will do the trick.
What girls have put their prices up? Only ones I see putting prices up are bars and gogos. As far as girls, I am still paying them the same 1000 baht LT as I always have. I would defintiely be out of the game if I had to run around giving chicks 2500 and 3000 baht. Definitely not worth that to me.What's the average age of these girls you're paying 1000 baht, how many babies have they had on average and where are you getting them from?
I'm thinking of checking out the soapies and soi 6 over the next few days. Will they be well-stocked or will the best girls have gone home for the new year?
Mr Enternational
12-27-19, 15:01
What's the average age of these girls you're paying 1000 baht, how many babies have they had on average and where are you getting them from?Any age. Anywhere besides a bar or gogo. There are no girls going around pricing themselves dependant on how old they are or how many kids they have. That is a thing constructed by mongers. All girls in a gogo are priced the same whether they have 10 kids or 0 or are 18 or 80 years old.
Would you pay more for a plumber that just graduated from the plumber's academy or one that has 30 years experience?
You do not see any reports on 30 year old starfishes. All those starfish reports are on 18 year old chicks with no experience. I can afford to throw away 1000 baht on an 18 year old starfish. But 3000 baht plus barfine plus drinks plus lady drinks to go to the room with a starfish? No thanks.
Star fishers can be any age. Theyre just hard bitten women who won't let themselves go and want to defy you to give you a bad time. They can turn up anywhere in the realm from north to south, even if you bang them hard they won't make a sound.
Any age. Anywhere besides a bar or gogo. There are no girls going around pricing themselves dependant on how old they are or how many kids they have. That is a thing constructed by mongers. All girls in a gogo are priced the same whether they have 10 kids or 0 or are 18 or 80 years old.
Would you pay more for a plumber that just graduated from the plumber's academy or one that has 30 years experience?
You do not see any reports on 30 year old starfishes. All those starfish reports are on 18 year old chicks with no experience. I can afford to throw away 1000 baht on an 18 year old starfish. But 3000 baht plus barfine plus drinks plus lady drinks to go to the room with a starfish? No thanks.OK, your earlier post was ambiguous. You meant to say the girls in the bars (not just the bars themselves) are increasing prices. So you go for streetwalkers in their 30's or Thaifriendly women? You certainly can't take massage parlour girls for 1000 baht LT.
Bellpepper
12-27-19, 18:21
I'm thinking of checking out the soapies and soi 6 over the next few days. Will they be well-stocked or will the best girls have gone home for the new year?I haven't been there over new year but bear in mind that New Year is a farang feast. Thailand celebrate its' new year in April (Songkran). Instead the celebration is an opportunity to earn money on tourists. I doubt that any girl would go home and miss the chance to get good incomes. I was in Pattaya in November-December and everyone was complaining that they had too few customers.
Banana Boi
12-27-19, 18:30
I was in Pattaya in November-December and everyone was complaining that they had too few customers.Pattaya's greed will eventually shoot itself in the foot. Raising prices left and right especially on lady drinks with the Thai baht getting stronger is not a winning combination. Add in the fact that the talent is no where near as good as the good old days of 2016. There will be fewer and fewer customers. Well over 50% of the guys who used to visit me often in Pattaya no longer come to Pattaya and only stay in Bangkok for a night or two as a layover. Like I mentioned a few posts ago, there are other countries to hobby MUCH cheaper than Thailand. Pattaya wants to become a family resort and imo eventually will be just that.
I haven't been there over new year but bear in mind that New Year is a farang feast. Thailand celebrate its' new year in April (Songkran). Instead the celebration is an opportunity to earn money on tourists. I doubt that any girl would go home and miss the chance to get good incomes.This isn't true. Most Thais head back to their hometowns for the New Year, including most massage parlour girls in Bangkok. 10 years ago most Pattaya girls stayed in Pattaya due to the increase in punters but I was wondering whether anyone had any direct experience of soi 6 and the Pattaya soapies over the New Year period in recent years (or right now).
Mr Enternational
12-27-19, 19:38
OK, your earlier post was ambiguous. You meant to say the girls in the bars (not just the bars themselves) are increasing prices. So you go for streetwalkers in their 30's or Thaifriendly women? You certainly can't take massage parlour girls for 1000 baht LT.Seems you have not read my reports. I always have reported to take massage chicks 500 to the shop and 500 to them for ST. And I give them 1000 LT when they finish work or on their days off. And I am talking about chicks of all ages from anywhere, not just SW or TF chicks in their 30's. And it is the same for chicks when they finish at the bars.
This isn't true. Most Thais head back to their hometowns for the New Year, including most massage parlour girls in Bangkok. 10 years ago most Pattaya girls stayed in Pattaya due to the increase in punters but I was wondering whether anyone had any direct experience of soi 6 and the Pattaya soapies over the New Year period in recent years (or right now).New Years week is Pattaya busiest time so it's all hands on deck. I was talking with Laos girl yesterday who was just here for two weeks.
Crashon101
12-28-19, 09:22
Hello My fellow Mongers,
I am very curious on the prices being reported.
The online escorts model quality is about 4000-7000 baht which is almost equivalent to the bar fee plus paying the girl it seems.
On ThaiFriendly I am being quoted 2000 baht LT, Some even told me 2000 baht all day.
Granted the girls are in their 30's but from the photos they are still head turners.
- Are these girls all cat-fishing or do the photos show a fair representation of the girls in general?
(I know the best thing is to try and report but I am planning a trip from Tokyo my location and I want to make the best of it.
Currently deciding between Thailand Pattaya and Indonesia Jakarta).
Any info would be great looking to make trip Jan. 26th - 31st very cheap tickets from Tokyo!
Spent 2-3 days in pattaya.
Day 1: visited Honey 2 massage around 11 pm.
Not many girls in the fish bowl. Picked one in the 2500. Somewhat disappointed after the dress came off. Push up bra did its job well.
Average massage, good session. I asked for seconds. Initially she said no, but agreed after I finished. I was happy and didn't take it up.
There were 3 in the 3500 area. One was good looking.
Day 2: Went to walking street. It was disappointing to hear "members only" crap. I am Indian, by myself.
Funny thing is there were a few Russians who approached me. Not sure what they see in me that the gogo bars don't.
Any experience with the Russians?
Day 3: Went to 007 got a an old lady.
Asked her if I could see others. She said she would give good service. It was ok when it started, while she took her top off and the stomach just popped out. It was ugly.
That killed the mood. She gave a massage to make up for it.
Later that night, strolled along beach street. Saw a hottie, but wasn't sure if it was a lady boy. Didn't take any chances.
Picked up an avg looking gal. 1000 bhat ST. Went to the hourly rooms, paid 200, showered and finished.
I think strolling along beach street and picking up a gal is the best option in Pattaya as some of us are not welcome at regular bars along beach street and gogos.
Are the gogos in LK metro area any different than walking street?
Spent 2-3 days in pattaya.
Day 1: visited Honey 2 massage around 11 pm.
Not many girls in the fish bowl. Picked one in the 2500. Somewhat disappointed after the dress came off. Push up bra did its job well.
Average massage, good session. I asked for seconds. Initially she said no, but agreed after I finished. I was happy and didn't take it up.
There were 3 in the 3500 area. One was good lookin.
Day 2: Went to walking street. It was disappointing to hear "members only" etc. I am Indian, by myself.
Funny thing is there were a few russians who approached me. Not sure what they see in me that the gogo bars don't.
Day 3: Went to 007 got a an old lady.
Asked her if I could see others. She said she would give good service. It was ok when it started, but she took her top off and the stomach just popped out. It was ugly.
That killed the mood. She gave a massage.
Later that night, strolled along beach street. Saw a hottie, but wasn't sure if it was a lady boy. Didn't take any chances.
Picked up an avg looking gal. 1000 bhat ST. Went to the hourly rooms, paid 200, showered and finished.
I think strolling along beach street and picking up a gal is the best option in pattaya as some of us are not welcome at regular bars along beach street and gogos.
Are the gogos in LK metro area any different than walking street?
Spent 2-3 days in pattaya.
Day 1: visited Honey 2 massage around 11 pm.
Not many girls in the fish bowl. Picked one in the 2500. Somewhat disappointed after the dress came off. Push up bra did its job well.
Average massage, good session. I asked for seconds. Initially she said no, but agreed after I finished. I was happy and didn't take it up.
There were 3 in the 3500 area. One was good looking.First time around I liked this place. But second and third time, I hated it.
Service is so mechanical. Their b2 b feels like a robot is sliding on you with programmed moves.
Plus staff is pretty rude and worst part, you can't talk to girls. You can't even confirm the service from girl I've no idea how this shop is surviving.
Day 2: Went to walking street. It was disappointing to hear "members only" crap. I am Indian, by myself.
Funny thing is there were a few Russians who approached me. Not sure what they see in me that the gogo bars don't.
Any experience with the Russians?
No offense, but they approach any person who they thing is new or first timer. New people usually don't know that all Russian bars or places on WS are ripoffs. I knew it for a long time, but recently tried a couple of russian bars out of curiosity. It's just expensive drinks and they will force you for private lap dance and try to milk you as much as possible. Some russian sitting outisde of those bars are indeed hot, but don't fall for it. They have no interest in going with anyone, they are just there make sure you spend a lot in club.
I see. I was just taken back that some sessions can go for like 100 us. I was looking through the BKK escort section and those are like oc MP rates. Is it worth the trip for someone that's not thrilled about being on a plane for so long?Yes it is, if you stay away from the agogo's and escort services. Those might be the easiest options to find pretty girls, but also the most expensive. Freelancers are much cheaper and can be just as pretty, if you are willing to spend time to search for them, either online or in the streets, and have some patience. (OK, sometimes a lot of patience.).
I was in Bangkok a few days ago. After a long search I found a very cute 23 yo math student in Thai Friendly. Very sweet, rock hard body, no kids and a very tight pussy. Damage was only 2000 baht for a shorttime with BBFS and CIP.
Now I'm in Pattaya and yesterday I found a very pretty 20 yo, also in Thai Friendly. Any agogo would hire her immediately. Amazing body, no kids, good blowjob and a very smooth pussy. 1500 for BBFS (CIP was not allowed unfortunately).
Now I admit that about 80 percent of the girls I find online are only average or slightly above average. But it's the 20 percent that are (way) above average that make it worth the effort and time, and of course those are the ones I repeat.
Mr Enternational
12-28-19, 15:00
Granted the girls are in their 30's but from the photos they are still head turners.
- Are these girls all cat-fishing or do the photos show a fair representation of the girls in general?You can pretty much tell if a person is catfishing. Is it a normal everyday picture, or is it a glamourshot? I have not found any chicks to be catfishing on that site. Catfishing is for people that have nothing better to do with their time. Scamming is another thing all together. But I have not found that either.
Banana Boi
12-28-19, 15:12
(I know the best thing is to try and report but I am planning a trip from Tokyo my location and I want to make the best of it.
Currently deciding between Thailand Pattaya and Indonesia Jakarta).Jakarta hands down over Thailand. Jakarta is not nearly as fun but there are nice looking girls for 800 baht per hour at the point and shoot bars. Taxis also much cheaper than the scammers in Pattaya. Use Bluebird taxis only or Grab in Jakarta.
I'm guessing you are Japanese since you're from Tokyo. If so, go to Bangkok instead and go to Thermae and Thaniya Road. Thermae will cost 2500 baht per hour.
If you're Japanese or Korean, you are the most welcome person by girls in all bars in Thailand. However, if you are a Cheap Charlie, you won't have fun in Thailand.
First time around I liked this place. But second and third time, I hated it.
Service is so mechanical. Their b2 b feels like a robot is sliding on you with programmed moves.
Why I tell guys try a soapie only once. It's kind of fun the first time. Every single time after the first time will not be enjoyable unless you just see a hot girl and want to have sex with her. Never expect great service in a soapie.
Day 2: Went to walking street. It was disappointing to hear "members only" crap. I am Indian, by myself. <snip> I think strolling along beach street and picking up a gal is the best option in Pattaya as some of us are not welcome at regular bars along beach street and gogos.
Are the gogos in LK metro area any different than walking street?Thanks for the review I encouraged you to write.
One thing that may work is to try entering a bar with an Asian guy or a decently dressed Farang. You will likely get in to any gogo or bar. Offer a guy to pay for his first drink. I was told by an Indian friend he got the Members Only line at a certain gogo bar. I told him that's crap so I went down to meet him. Since he was with me the security guy asked if my Indian friend was with me and I said yes. There was no problem for my Indian friend entering that night or future nights when he was alone.
LK Metro is much more laid back than Walking Street akin to Patpong vs. Soi Cowboy / Nana. However, you will still run into the Members Only or Private Party lines depending on which bar.
Personally if I were Indian I would not be going to Thailand to hobby. There is clear racism against Indian men in many Thailand bars. Go to other countries where Indian men are more welcome by the girls and the bars.
Day 2: Went to walking street. It was disappointing to hear "members only" etc. I am Indian, by myself.FYI, there are Indian Discos on WS. Quite a few actually, and just as packed as the other discos.
If you don't think Thailand is good for P4P, what would you suggest is worth it? What would make 100 usd worth it?The answer you seek is in the post you quoted. Also read banana boi's post for some interesting information.
Teltel.
New Years week is Pattaya busiest time so it's all hands on deck. I was talking with Laos girl yesterday who was just here for two weeks.Agree. But even at Songkran bargirls still stay in Pattaya. NYE in Pattaya is chaotic.
If you want cheaper options, consider Angeles City.What you save in AC on barfines is easily wasted on equivalent standard hotel accommodation you can get in Thailand. Sort of breaks even in the long run.
VegasGambler9
12-30-19, 10:56
I've noticed a small drop in prices on because road SW's. While watching YT videos (yes my couch is as close as I've came to Thailand) more girls seem to be asking for 700ST. I could be wrong but I think the price is sliding down. I wonder what you all think, and if it will affect other parts of the city like Soi 6? I don't think the prices are unfair but I live in Vegas and I think after flight and everything it's not far off from prices here for somethings. Anyway I would enjoy some pro thoughts on this.
The answer you seek is in the post you quoted. Also read banana boi's post for some interesting information.
Teltel.I was asking what P4P is worth spending 100 usd to him. It sort of answered the question. Jakarta and Argentina. Cheaper the better!
I've noticed a small drop in prices on because road SW's. While watching YT videos (yes my couch is as close as I've came to Thailand) more girls seem to be asking for 700ST. I could be wrong but I think the price is sliding down. I wonder what you all think, and if it will affect other parts of the city like Soi 6? I don't think the prices are unfair but I live in Vegas and I think after flight and everything it's not far off from prices here for somethings. Anyway I would enjoy some pro thoughts on this.I used to get those offers but not so far this trip but I'm not out at 3 am either. I've just been paying the 1 k baht nothing over that has been quoted on beach Road. My one shot at soi 6 was 300 baht higher the girl wanted 1300 and 300 for room. She was very pretty younger girl also. I'm from Vegas I think prices have nose dived there I can get good quality easily petite black girls and some white at 120-140 us and 80-100 with a little luck.
Personally if I were Indian I would not be going to Thailand to hobby. There is clear racism against Indian men in many Thailand bars. Go to other countries where Indian men are more welcome by the girls and the bars.Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?
I doubt if these other countries actually exist.
Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?
I doubt if these other countries actually exist.They exist. I think you won't have the same problem in Latin America.
Engine Driver
12-30-19, 21:38
Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?
I doubt if these other countries actually exist.There are plenty of Thai and African women in India plying their trade. Most of the nicer spas all have Thai women. Go figure.
Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?
I doubt if these other countries actually exist.Go to countries that have not been over run with Indian tourist and you will be very welcomed (short term anyhow).
Banana Boi
12-30-19, 22:38
Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?
I doubt if these other countries actually exist.You misunderstood what I wrote. I said go to other countries where girls/bars are more welcoming to Indian men than Thailand. For SEA I would say that applies to almost all countries except Japan, South Korea, and possibly Hong Kong.
Never been but aren't there Indian bars with Thai girls who prefer Indian men on Walking Street? All soapies in Pattaya welcome Indian men. Girls must go for the session. If they don't I believe the girl needs to pay the soapie's cut back for a lost session.
Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?
I doubt if these other countries actually exist.I would suggest try Vietnam and Cambodia. They have not overrun by Indian tourists yet, so you will fine less bias.
Crocodilexp
12-31-19, 08:23
While watching YT videos (yes my couch is as close as I've came to Thailand) more girls seem to be asking for 700ST. I could be wrong but I think the price is sliding down.How old are the videos you're watching? Sometimes the date the video is posted is a fair bit later than the date it was created.
As far as I know, 700 THB is the baseline going rate on Beach Road, it has been for a few years. Up until 2015 or so the going rate was 500 THB, but then jumped to 700. Some girls might ask for more (especially if busy), but it's OK to offer 700 and see if they accept, most will. In any case, on Beach Road, dreadful quality (I'm not too picky, but it really is dire) is more of a problem than price. I haven't been to Beach Road in a few months, so I'm not 100% sure, but things change slowly there.
I find that offering a price works much better than asking, as long as you know the going rate. Most girls feel better if I offer 700 and settle on 700-800, rather than if I talk her down from 1000. And if she throws out some ridiculous number like 1500-2000, the game is over before it started, even if we could have agreed.
As for other venues, it's highly unlikely prices would go down, they never do. The best you can hope for is price staying the same for a while, and girls readily accepting the lower end of the going rate range, rather pushing for more.
Bannana Boi.
I was being sarcastic. Sorry about that.
I did see Indian bars / clubs on walking street. I avoided them thinking it would be a sausage fest like in most Indian clubs.
I will try it out next time.
Gargano19.
Have you tried Vietnam. How would you compare with Bangkok.
VegasGambler9
12-31-19, 10:32
How old are the videos you're watching? Sometimes the date the video is posted is a fair bit later than the date it was created.
As far as I know, 700 THB is the baseline going rate on Beach Road, it has been for a few years. Up until 2015 or so the going rate was 500 THB, but then jumped to 700. Some girls might ask for more (especially if busy), but it's OK to offer 700 and see if they accept, most will. In any case, on Beach Road, dreadful quality (I'm not too picky, but it really is dire) is more of a problem than price. I haven't been to Beach Road in a few months, so I'm not 100% sure, but things change slowly there.
I find that offering a price works much better than asking, as long as you know the going rate. Most girls feel better if I offer 700 and settle on 700-800, rather than if I talk her down from 1000. And if she throws out some ridiculous number like 1500-2000, the game is over before it started, even if we could have agreed.
As for other venues, it's highly unlikely prices would go down, they never do. The best you can hope for is price staying the same for a while, and girls readily accepting the lower end of the going rate range, rather pushing for more.Thanks for the info guys, yeah the videos I watch are very modern maybe two days old. I just noticed two girls offering for 700 not really lookers but still. I'm scared so scared of all of the girls but yeah mostly beach road. I'm scared of STI's. I really often wonder if the bar girls like on Soi 6 could really be any safer at all. Why would the bars really test the girls for STI's? I see no reason for them to test the girls. I didn't know if the prices would budge or not for the rest of the city thanks.
Banana Boi
12-31-19, 13:41
Thanks for the info guys, yeah the videos I watch are very modern maybe two days old.You are allowed to post youtube links on here. Post away and we'll let you know if the videos are recent or old. Some guys like Mr. E may even be able to provide you with reviews of some of the Beach Road girls in the video.
I'm scared of STI's.
You can always wear 2 condoms.
Mr Enternational
12-31-19, 15:18
I'm scared so scared of all of the girls but yeah mostly beach road. I'm scared of STI's. I really often wonder if the bar girls like on Soi 6 could really be any safer at all. Why would the bars really test the girls for STI's? I see no reason for them to test the girls.And who is testing the customers? Why would you be scared of one chick over another? A disease does not care how much a person charges or where they are working.
MongerForSex
12-31-19, 23:31
Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?
I doubt if these other countries actually exist.If you have money, it doesn't matter if you are indian. 1) travel to Thailand alone, 2) don't be cheap, 3) don't act like a fucking jerk, and 4) take shower daily and everything will be fine in Thailand. Prostitutes are prostitutes. You may be as lucky as a fat ugly man from western country if you follow those instructions.
Jadoomazar
01-01-20, 01:40
If you have money, it doesn't matter if you are indian. 1) travel to Thailand alone, 2) don't be cheap, 3) don't act like a fucking jerk, and 4) take shower daily and everything will be fine in Thailand. Prostitutes are prostitutes. You may be as lucky as a fat ugly man from western country if you follow those instructions.I agree totally. I am originally from India and I know where Indian guys ruin it. I have been to Bangkok and Pattaya. I treated the girls really well. Showered, smelled good, good clothes and being polite. I saw a lot of Indian guys haggling with 1 girl for having sessions with multiple guys trying to get a combo deal or something. It's simple logic, girls are there to make money they don't care which nationality a guy is from as long he is respectful and willing to spend cash. The girls talk among themselves, once they know I am a good customer they repeatedly contact me and also recommended me to other chicks.
Folks,
I was pretty disappointed with my experience with UTP so far. The go-gos are absolutely a rip-off that are surviving only on the Japanese and the Arab crowd. I went to a couple in Soi LK Metro and the girls there are pretty decent, but the set up is just so stupid. The girls on the stage are 7's and 8's, but they barely move their hips an inch up and down. That's not sexy. Their only aim in life is to have the customer order a lady drink for her. If you make eye contact with any of the girls on the stage, the bar staff immediately gesture for you to buy her a LD. The LD comes to your seat, and the lady comes over to you and you have the chance to talk to her. I inquired with one of the worst (chubbiest) girls in Ninja gogo about how much she would set me back by. It was THB 1,500 for the BF and THB 3,500 for her LT. She was a 8 at best, and that was after I had my beer goggles on. These gogos lure customers in by offering draft beer at THB 65. LD was THB 160. Just seconds after I had finished my beer, the bar staff asked if I wanted another. Having had enough, I was planning to leave, so I said no to her. And then, when I told her that I didn't want another beer, she said "then goooo! The audacity! I was leaving anyway, but I did feel offended. (I am Indian, and I understand the stereotype after spending a few days in 3 of the most popular cities in Thailand. I like to think that I'm different. I travel alone, I am fit and young, clean, dress well and I go into a place only if I can afford it, so I don't have to cheap out. But then again, I bet every Indian here thinks the same about himself.).
But it still smarts when it happens to you.
There was was a massage parlour somewhere off Soi Buakhao. Really non-descript, and with one fat aunty and a younger, small petite one in a Santa costume. I asked the younger one how much for a full body massage. It was THB 300. I decided to go for it. Inside, I stripped naked and initiated sex. She reciprocated. But she was a starfish. But I have my own ways of making a starfish move. It's a combination of starting slow but progressing fast in a dominant manner. There were a couple of times where she said "Chiep, chiep", and I slowed down. Her boobs were surprisingly soft and supple and I took some time sucking and playing with them. Soft nipples, but not like the standard Asian type of small areolas but big nipples poking out. After barely 3 or 4 minutes of me sucking and licking her nipples and boobs, I could see her body getting turned on, and she put on a condom and opened her legs. Went in in missionary (I like to see their faces when I insert). Banged for like 5 minutes. Turned her around, got her on all 4's and dogged her hard and slapped her ass a few times. Came in doggy, and realized that I made the mistake of not negotiating how much for extras. She spoke NO English at all (literally nothing), and her mamasan did all the talking for her. Mamasan took advantage of the fact that we did not negotiate prior, and I ended up paying THB 800 for a sub-par starfish experience.
Next day I went to Route 66 bar on Soi 6 and was invited inside by Ning, who was a 6. 5 after I had my beer goggles on. Bought a beer for myself and one for her and we hung out, with her in my hand for like an hour or so. Got talking a bit. By this time, I was a little desperate (I had had a couple of massages earlier during the day but I didn't like the attitude of the ladies so I didn't proceed to specials). So I told her that I'd come back at 1 (when her work ended) to pick her up. We exchanged numbers. She got a little too attached, I think. Shit came up, and I didn't go back at 1. The next day, I woke up to find 15 missed calls and shit. She called when I was awake and I actually picked up. I gave her very simple instructions. Come to Soi 2. Now I don't expect them to be very smart, but come on, you can at least follow instructions to come to Soi 2. She wasted like half an hour trying to video call while she was on the road, and neither of us could hear each other very well. What little we could hear, we couldn't understand. In the video call, I saw in the background where she was. At this point, she wasn't a looker, didn't speak much English, and she had a bit of a tummy. I should have bailed, but junior took over and I raced on my scooter to pick her up. We came back to my room, I made up some bullshit story about why I couldn't come at 1 the previous night. We took a shower. While around, she was being very childish, giggling at stupid shit, running around the room expecting me to run behind her and shit like that. She was 30 but behaved like 13. Even in bed, she had no concept on sexy. Her idea of foreplay was getting naked, covering her boobs with her hands and giggling away to glory. I had to initiate everything and do all the work. I negotiated THB 800 and we finally fucked in miss and WOT. Nothing spectacular, really. I considered letting her go, but by the way she was behaving all childish, girly and giggly, I knew it would be a task. We took some rest. After 40 minutes, I wanted to do one more shot with her, but she wasn't sexy enough for junior to concentrate. So I took my laptop, put on some porn and set it on my bed beside her so I can see it while doing her. Did missionary and doggy and came soon. Was very unremarkable. I realized that the only way to get rid of her was to take her out for lunch and let her go after lunch. That way, no scenes are created at the hotel. Did exactly that.
But, during my last night in Pattaya, I was roaming around beach road when I saw a stunner (relatively, considering it was beach road). When I asked her, she said ST for THB 800. She had an air of arrogance around her, but she was much better than the rest. She spoke passable English, and she dressed much classier than the rest (not micro miniskirt, but a long gown that would not be very out of place at a cocktail party). She had her own car. We agreed on the price and I got into her car. She even turned on the AC! She must be doing well. I told her that she was too beautiful to work on the beach road, and that she would make more money in a bar. She seemed to take offence and went on a rant about how she likes her freedom. In a bar, old, fat and smelly customers would come and she wouldn't be able to refuse. On the beach road, she's just quote some exorbitant price to these old smelly fat people and they would go away. Made sense to me, and she had her own damn car. Perhaps she was right. As soon as we walked into the hotel (Sabai Lodge. I recommend it even though it's a little further from the action), she went to the reception to submit her ID on her own without any prompting. She fit right in with the crowd in the resort. In the room she undressed and we went for shower. Nice, handful of titties that didn't sag at all, a tiny bit of a tummy due to having a 6 year old. But she was an 8. 5 for me, and I didn't have my beer goggles on. Perhaps this may have been on the higher scale because of the relative disappointment in UTP so far. But it was my last night in UTP, and I'm glad I ended it on a high note. Being so beautiful, I was concerned that she might be a starfish. So I took precautions by turning up the foreplay to max settings. Usually when I P4P, I don't care about her. But when you have a potential starfish, you could turn her on with foreplay and she would respond and most of the time, reciprocate. I went to town on her nipples with every trick in the bag and soon enough, when she started gyrating her hips, started slowly but surely fingering her. Soon, she gushing wet. We had foreplay for around 12 minutes. Soon, she was begging me to get the condom and fuck her. Pounded her in missionary, doggie and WOT. She was amazing on WOT, squatting and doing powerful, deep thrusts. I blasted my load in the condom during WOT. It's been just under an hour since I had her, and I'm already getting a boner writing about it. I've always been a monger that focused on value for money. In my opinion, I don't think I've done better, and I don't think I ever will. A smart man once said that it's never about absolute performance. It's always about performance at a given price point. I had to convince her to stay for a couple of minutes after we were done. It looked like she had a very efficient modus operandi. It was one of the best experiences of my mongering life so far, and I believe UTP has redeemed itself. Goes to show that you can get diamonds in the rough in the beach road as well.
Thank you Thailand.
Attached pic of the last girl.
I inquired with one of the worst (chubbiest) girls in Ninja gogo about how much she would set me back by. It was THB 1,500 for the BF and THB 3,500 for her LT. She was a 8 at best, and that was after I had my beer goggles on. These gogos lure customers in by offering draft beer at THB 65. LD was THB 160. Just seconds after I had finished my beer, the bar staff asked if I wanted another. Having had enough, I was planning to leave, so I said no to her. And then, when I told her that I didn't want another beer, she said "then goooo! The audacity! I was leaving anyway, but I did feel offended. (I am Indian, and I understand the stereotype after spending a few days in 3 of the most popular cities in Thailand. I like to think that I'm different. I travel alone, I am fit and young, clean, dress well and I go into a place only if I can afford it, so I don't have to cheap out. But then again, I bet every Indian here thinks the same about himself.).
It has nothing to do with race. You got entry into bar, girl was sitting next to you. If you're only going to buy 1 drink for you (65 b I assume) and 1 LD for girl, what more were you expecting.
Crocodilexp
01-02-20, 08:23
I'm scared of STI's. I really often wonder if the bar girls like on Soi 6 could really be any safer at all. Why would the bars really test the girls for STI's? I see no reason for them to test the girls.If you're paranoid about STIs, you picked a wrong hobby. As long as you follow the usual safe sex precautions, you'll be fine. There's still a small chance you might catch something, but it won't be AIDS. I'm sure you managed to get over a flu or strep throat a few times in your life so far, it's not life-changing.
It's useless to think about STI testing for girls. Indeed, the businesses don't have much incentive to test, except to tell paranoid customers they're testing (in which case, a doctor sign-off with no actual test would do just fine). The girls have every reason to keep working even if they test positive for something, nobody else is going to pay her bills (including the new medical expenses). Moreover, even if she was thoroughly tested every month and would have stopped working, she could still pass on an infection she got from one of the 50 customers since her last test.
Condoms, lube, wash before and immediately after sex, pee afterwards if you can, it's no rocket science.
Went down soi 6 yesterday to a bar with A/C at the very end on the right hand side. Entered, asked for if my regular girl is working. Was lucky so far. She showed up and I don't know why but asked how much is barfine. Got a really unexpected answer - 3 k. Asked if I got it right or she meant ST? No got it right. But day after so from 2nd Jan on it is back to 1 k.
I don't really get the sense but my answer was. So then see you tomorrow maybe.
Paid my friends beer and mine, and her drink and off we went.
Live long and prosper.
Mr Enternational
01-02-20, 13:12
It has nothing to do with race. You got entry into bar, girl was sitting next to you. If you're only going to buy 1 drink for you (65 b I assume) and 1 LD for girl, what more were you expecting.What do you mean what more was he expecting? So if I walk into McDonald's and comb over the menu and decide to just order a small coffee, they should tell me "Just Go!" after they give me my order?
You are right that it had nothing to do with race, and all to do with you only being there as an ATM. I have been told the exact same thing in stores when I have decided not to make a purchase. They get angry and say just go, as if I am not supposed to have a choice whether to spend my money there even if I do not see anything that I would like to buy.
You can not run a business by acting like you are doing the customer a favor by allowing him to spend his money there, and if he decides not to then you get angry and yell at him. Yeah. What more was that customer expecting?
This may be the wrong forum to post on but in the spirit of replying to you I post here.
You should visit Russia.
My last visit to Moscow was a revelation.
The Strip Bars were great and welcoming as were the massage places.
With the Russian Ruble being approx Rs. 1. 10/- to 1 Ruble it is a because effective country to monger in.
Language can be a barrier but Google Translate helped a lot.
Most Strip bars charged an entry of Rub 2000/- which included a lapdance. The Girls expect a tip of Rub 100 for every time they come to you and a session there would cost you Rub 6-7 K depending on the establishment and the girl you choose.
The Massage Parlour I visited in Moscow cost me Rub 5000 and the girls were the most beautiful I have met.
The overall vibe of the country is welcoming for Indians and paying the extra 10 k for a return air ticket is well worth it.
Oh yeah! Which country might that be? India?
I doubt if these other countries actually exist.
What do you mean what more was he expecting? So if I walk into McDonald's and comb over the menu and decide to just order a small coffee, they should tell me "Just Go!" after they give me my order?
You are right that it had nothing to do with race, and all to do with you only being there as an ATM. I have been told the exact same thing in stores when I have decided not to make a purchase. They get angry and say just go, as if I am not supposed to have a choice whether to spend my money there even if I do not see anything that I would like to buy.
You can not run a business by acting like you are doing the customer a favor by allowing him to spend his money there, and if he decides not to then you get angry and yell at him. Yeah. What more was that customer expecting?If a McDonald's / or some cafe is crowded and I have only bought one cheap coffee and people are looking for vacant tables, and I'm still sitting there for a while after finishing it, I am sure staff will ask me if I want to order something, if not then I should leave. They will just be a lot polite than mamsan or bar girls. And to be fair, lots of punters try to sit in bars to see girls for hours and buying just couple of drinks. It's loss for bars.
So I was surprised why the guy got offended after girl said "then go!
Mr Enternational
01-02-20, 15:59
If a McDonald's / or some cafe is crowded and I have only bought one cheap coffee and people are looking for vacant tables, and I'm still sitting there for a while after finishing it, I am sure staff will ask me if I want to order something, if not then I should leave. They will just be a lot polite than mamsan or bar girls. And to be fair, lots of punters try to sit in bars to see girls for hours and buying just couple of drinks. It's loss for bars.
So I was surprised why the guy got offended after girl said "then go!Maybe you are forgetting the part about him just finishing the last of his beer and getting ready to leave on his own. They got angry with him because he did not want anything else. He was not just sitting there for 20 minutes without a drink in front of him and taking up space preventing them from accomodating other customers.
So if you finish your coffee at McDonald's and are getting ready to walk out and they say hey how about an apple pie, and you say no thanks I'm full. Then they loud talk you and say well get the fuck out then. That is more of what happened in his case.
Mr Enternational
01-02-20, 16:06
Went down soi 6 yesterday to a bar with A/C at the very end on the right hand side. Entered, asked for if my regular girl is working. Was lucky so far. She showed up and I don't know why but asked how much is barfine. Got a really unexpected answer - 3 k. Asked if I got it right or she meant ST? No got it right. But day after so from 2nd Jan on it is back to 1 k.
It has been reported for years (or maybe it was that my friends told me) that for New Years places jack the barfines up, so you should already have your FLs pre-arranged.
LittleBigMan
01-03-20, 00:15
It has been reported for years (or maybe it was that my friends told me) that for New Years places jack the barfines up, so you should already have your FLs pre-arranged.Now if traveling to Thailand to spend Christmas and New Year is your thing or that is the only time you can get away then to each his own? I hear more girls well you pay for what you get?
Yes, the end of the year from my experience starting just before Christmas nearly all the GoGos girls not on 10 days contract will not get a day off for two weeks and BF are usually double unless you go to places like Palace, Pin-Up, where their BF is high all year round. They want to sell drinks that are the goal. Places like Soi 6, will double their BF so they don't lose the girl no customer wants to sit in a place with no girls the reason also if you want to take a girl long time any other time the BF is higher.
Sure if this is your holiday expect to pay and enjoy it has been like this forever? One of my regular places BF is 800 last two weeks it is 2000 baht. I buy a few drinks get some cheap feel and say " see you later ".
Banana Boi
01-03-20, 00:43
Their only aim in life is to have the customer order a lady drink for her. If you make eye contact with any of the girls on the stage, the bar staff immediately gesture for you to buy her a LD. That's how the girls make money in case you weren't aware. They aren't there to entertain you for free.
Waitresses can gesture me to buy a girl a drink until they get carpal tunnel syndrome. It's my money and unless I can confirm DFK or at least a lap dance for the lady drink my money stays in my pocket.
These gogos lure customers in by offering draft beer at THB 65. LD was THB 160. Just seconds after I had finished my beer, the bar staff asked if I wanted another. Having had enough, I was planning to leave, so I said no to her. And then, when I told her that I didn't want another beer, she said "then goooo! The audacity!Your post seems to have started some good discussion. The real question is how long were you there with the 1 drink you bought? Imo if you were there for 10 or 15 minutes then the waitress was definitely out of line being rude to you. If you were milking the same 65 baht beer for 30 minutes or an hour then imo you are just seen as a Cheap Charlie taking up space in the bar.
It's the waitresses job to ask you for drinks. Many guys get upset if they are unable to order a beer quickly when their first one is done. You don't need to get a second drink as long as you are buying lady drinks. No bar has every been upset at me for not ordering a second drink because they know I will buy plenty of lady drinks if there are new hot girls or they know my regular girls are somewhere in the bar. I have a regular girl at Ninja and the waitresses / mamasan will even run upstairs to tell her I'm in the bar.
You are allowed to post youtube links on here. Post away and we'll let you know if the videos are recent or old. Some guys like Mr. E may even be able to provide you with reviews of some of the Beach Road girls in the video..2 condoms are recipe for disaster as they will definitely break due to friction.
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And to be fair, lots of punters try to sit in bars to see girls for hours and buying just couple of drinks. It's loss for bars.
Then the Bar needs to review their drink pricing. It is not the duty of the customer to make a bar profitable. BTW the watered down draft crap beer sold in Patt Go-Go's for 65 THB can't cost them many bahts.
The real question is how long were you there with the 1 drink you bought? Imo if you were there for 10 or 15 minutes then the waitress was definitely out of line being rude to you. If you were milking the same 65 baht beer for 30 minutes or an hour then imo you are just seen as a Cheap Charlie taking up space in the bar.
That sums it up quite well.
And to be clear, most probably bar girl was rude to the guy, but I have seen way too many rude bar girls or mamsans to take offense from them.
On another point, the bars where I am quite regular, and mamsan and girls knows me, there I can sit for an hour and only order one drink, and they're not going to say anything. Because they know tomorrow I will back and buy few LDs and BF some girl. But if it's my first time at some bar and I'm not going to spend and still sit for a while, then I might attract some hostile behavior towards me.
Clarification.
1) I was not there for more than 10 minutes.
2) It was not at all crowded. In fact, it was more or less empty. I vaguely remember 6 - 7 guys in total.
3) I was going to leave as soon as I finished the beer. The bar staff caught me the second I was done with my beer.
I did not mean to start a debate. I have left it behind me, as should the forum.
Mr Enternational
01-04-20, 14:54
Stop drinking and doing stupid shit!
https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/android/video.php?v=wshhl4euDiox20sPn1y7
Another drunk guy recently fell off a pier in pattaya and drowned. I have to admit though, I've been a bit too drunk for my own good while in Thailand.
Stop drinking and doing stupid shit!
https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/android/video.php?v=wshhl4euDiox20sPn1y7
Traveller747
01-05-20, 13:34
Last spring I met one of the younger and more attractive girls at bamboo and we had a few nice meetings before I went back home. In August she asked for my returndate via WhatsApp, I hadn't decided then. In November the same question, I told her second half of December. She would visit her family then, but be back to Pattaya by new year. For Christmas she sent greetings and pictures of her. More pictures for new years eve and her claim to stick to my side the next days. Shortly thereafter she suggested to meet at bomboo and I agreed. Later the same day she reminded me not to forget our date at 11 pm. I reasured her that I would be there.
So I arrived at 11:05 with high hopes for a reunion. What the f. I couldn't believe my eyes: she was dancing with another guy. When they finished, I followed them to witness that they had already closed the deal and were preparing to leave together. I felt the strong urge to slap into her face, but behaved myself. That was the moment she noticed me. She was ashamed as I had caught her red handed. But that didn't change a thing, they left together.
My only solution was to take another girl after calming down with a few drinks. But my mood was ruined for a day or two. So never trust a sweettalking Hooker, no matter what!
Last spring I met one of the younger and more attractive girls at bamboo and we had a few nice meetings before I went back home. In August she asked for my returndate via WhatsApp, I hadn't decided then. In November the same question, I told her second half of December. She would visit her family then, but be back to Pattaya by new year. For Christmas she sent greetings and pictures of her. More pictures for new years eve and her claim to stick to my side the next days. Shortly thereafter she suggested to meet at bomboo and I agreed. Later the same day she reminded me not to forget our date at 11 pm. I reasured her that I would be there.
So I arrived at 11:05 with high hopes for a reunion. What the f. I couldn't believe my eyes: she was dancing with another guy. When they finished, I followed them to witness that they had already closed the deal and were preparing to leave together. I felt the strong urge to slap into her face, but behaved myself. That was the moment she noticed me. She was ashamed as I had caught her red handed. But that didn't change a thing, they left together.
My only solution was to take another girl after calming down with a few drinks. But my mood was ruined for a day or two. So never trust a sweettalking Hooker, no matter what!Be thankful to her because she inadvertently showed you what prostitutes really are. And, in a way, how stupid and gullible, we mongers are. We all think that these bitches love us, in reality all the care for is $$.
Last spring I met one of the younger and more attractive girls at bamboo and we had a few nice meetings before I went back home. In August she asked for my returndate via WhatsApp, I hadn't decided then. In November the same question, I told her second half of December. She would visit her family then, but be back to Pattaya by new year. For Christmas she sent greetings and pictures of her. More pictures for new years eve and her claim to stick to my side the next days. Shortly thereafter she suggested to meet at bomboo and I agreed. Later the same day she reminded me not to forget our date at 11 pm. I reasured her that I would be there.
So I arrived at 11:05 with high hopes for a reunion. What the f. I couldn't believe my eyes: she was dancing with another guy. When they finished, I followed them to witness that they had already closed the deal and were preparing to leave together. I felt the strong urge to slap into her face, but behaved myself. That was the moment she noticed me. She was ashamed as I had caught her red handed. But that didn't change a thing, they left together.
My only solution was to take another girl after calming down with a few drinks. But my mood was ruined for a day or two. So never trust a sweettalking Hooker, no matter what!You cannot be love struck with a working girl. This is the biggest mistake mongers make. Just go fuck and leave. She could not care less if you caught her red handed. She has a job and not going to to honor another punters promise. Her job if you have not figured yet is to fuck as many as possible to make money. She is not married to you and you did not promise anything like taking care of her permanently. So get over it. Never ever assume any girl is devoted to you.
Even among dating girls it is very difficult to keep them waiting for you irrespective of what they say. Once they start fucking casual foreign visitors they have essentially crossed the line. They will keep trying to get new sponsors.
As for me I do not care what they do when I am not with them. Yes, I make plans to meet them. Sometimes I am guilty of ditching them because something better came along.
Think of it as dating a girl. Sometimes girls ditch you and sometimes you do.
Luckily there are wall to wall willing girls ready to fuck you.
So never trust a sweettalking Hooker, no matter what!Thank you for sharing this gem with us.
Last spring I met one of the younger and more attractive girls at bamboo and we had a few nice meetings before I went back home. In August she asked for my returndate via WhatsApp, I hadn't decided then. In November the same question, I told her second half of December. She would visit her family then, but be back to Pattaya by new year. For Christmas she sent greetings and pictures of her. More pictures for new years eve and her claim to stick to my side the next days. Shortly thereafter she suggested to meet at bomboo and I agreed. Later the same day she reminded me not to forget our date at 11 pm. I reasured her that I would be there.
So I arrived at 11:05 with high hopes for a reunion. What the f. I couldn't believe my eyes: she was dancing with another guy. When they finished, I followed them to witness that they had already closed the deal and were preparing to leave together. I felt the strong urge to slap into her face, but behaved myself. That was the moment she noticed me. She was ashamed as I had caught her red handed. But that didn't change a thing, they left together.
My only solution was to take another girl after calming down with a few drinks. But my mood was ruined for a day or two. So never trust a sweettalking Hooker, no matter what!I'd be angry if the only reason I returned to Thailand was specifically to date her.
Banana Boi
01-05-20, 16:48
Later the same day she reminded me not to forget our date at 11 pm. I reasured her that I would be there.
So I arrived at 11:05 with high hopes for a reunion. What the f. I couldn't believe my eyes: she was dancing with another guy.Could be possible the guy she went with offered more money than she thought you would pay her or this guy is a regular of hers who unexpectedly showed up or she thought you were not going to show up because you were late. Just go see her the following night.
Had this stuff happen to me as well. Line messaging gogo girls to go eat after work. When I arrive at the bar as the bar is closing I am told she was barfined hours ago. Girl I was to meet to go eat doesn't message me to tell me she's been barfined. No big deal since she's actually making money. I just ask another gogo girl if they're hungry. The answer is ALWAYS yes.
Pattaya is a go with the flow kind of town. A lot of improvisation is required.
Mr Enternational
01-05-20, 16:58
Last spring I met one of the younger and more attractive girls at bamboo and we had a few nice meetings before I went back home. In August she asked for my returndate via WhatsApp,I never tell anyone when I am coming to town, not even normal girls. What does a bih need to know your travel plans for? I just show the fuck up. When they keep asking when I am coming, I just say soon.
And if someone that you have paid before says how much they miss you, then you ask them if they miss you or if they miss your money. If they say they miss you and not your money, you tell them good, that means I don't need to give you money anymore.
Shortly thereafter she suggested to meet at bomboo and I agreed.I don't get this meeting chicks you already know at a hooker bar thing. I go out to those places to pick someone up, not to enjoy time with someone that I already have. When I get the person, I am off to doing other shit. Why would you even think to need to go back up there and spend all that money on drinks and shit is beyond me. You should have told her that you were not going to Bamboo and to meet you at your place instead and you guys could go out and enjoy yourselves from there, going to places that are not hooker bars.
I know that you can not turn a hooker into a housewife, but if you could, then the first step would be not to take her back to the same hooker bar where you met her. That is like taking a drug addict to hang out at a dope house. You are never going to get them off drugs that way.
Member #4698
01-05-20, 18:33
I don't get this meeting chicks you already know at a hooker bar thing. I go out to those places to pick someone up, not to enjoy time with someone that I already have. When I get the person, I am off to doing other shit. Why would you even think to need to go back up there and spend all that money on drinks and shit is beyond me. You should have told her that you were not going to Bamboo and to meet you at your place instead and you guys could go out and enjoy yourselves from there, going to places that are not hooker bars.
In Makati, my repeat Go Go girls show much less loyalty to their Go Go's than in Thailand and will happily make some excuse at work and come visit me at my hotel during their bar's working hours thus completely cutting the bar out of the barfine. But I have never had a Thai Go Go girl do likewise for me ie come visit me during her bar's working hours without including the barfine. NEVER and it is not like I haven't tried countless times. 555. Sure, all of my repeat BKK & Pattaya Go Go girls will gladly come see me before their work shift or after their work shift sans the barfine, but never during working hours. Maybe the reason for the difference in behavior between MNL and Thai Go Go hookers is cultural or maybe the reason is that the Makati barfine is set too high above what the market will bare and that fact encourages the girls to go grey market with their repeat customers. I don't know.
But what I do know is that if I want my hot little BKK or Pat Go Go girl prime time between 8 pm and 2 am, I am going to have to pay the barfine for the convenience. If you have found some way to get around that with Go Go girls Mr. E. I take my hat off to you, but I think not. Hostess girls may be another story, but I don't fool around with Hostess girls that much.
The OP has a right to feel pissed off. The girl did not keep her date with him. But c'est la vie. I would move on and forget about her. There are many more fish in the sea. I have experienced this sort of thing in La Belle, BKK and Hotel Alexis, Jakarta where a "date" or more accurately an appointment with a favorite repeat girl was not honored. In both cases I showed up on time to find the girl busy with another customer. I was disappointed because I expected both of the girls to wait for me. That's why I made the "date." I wanted to have them at their freshest.
In the La Belle case I took a different sideline girl rather than wait. After my session my original girl saw me leave and texted me asking why I had not waited for her. I explained why and that was that. No problem. So I saw her again on another occasion and this time she honored our appointment and was waiting for me off stage when I arrived.
In the Hotel Alexis case the mamasan apologised to me profusely for not allowing my girl to wait for me and she offered me a special private edition girl as a way to make up for the slight. The 18 year old private edition girl was a knockout and I thoroughly enjoyed my bareback session with her. But when I was done I went out to the lounge where I saw my original intended girl back in the lineup and she saw me and she was visibly upset that I had not waited for her. I kid you not. She was really mad with some kind of confused jealousy that I had been with another girl. 555. Anyway, she was so upset that she could no longer talk or text with me coherently and that was that. I never did her again. But so what! Yes, she was really cute and very sexy and a great lay, but there are so many others. You just move on.
Banana Boi
01-05-20, 18:53
In Makati, my repeat Go Go girls show much less loyalty to their Go Go's than in Thailand and will happily make some excuse at work and come visit me at my hotel during their bar's working hours thus completely cutting the bar out of the barfine. But I have never had a Thai Go Go girl do likewise for me ie come visit me during her bar's working hours without including the barfine. NEVER and it is not like I haven't tried countless times. 555.From what I am told, Pattaya gogo girls have to pay the barfine whenever she misses a day of work during her contract. Even if she's in the hospital.
Some gogo bars have ridiculous penalties for girls like 100 baht for each minute the girl is late for her shift. 300 baht for losing her number tag. A few thousand baht for losing her outfit.
Mr Enternational
01-05-20, 19:03
But what I do know is that if I want my hot little BKK or Pat Go Go girl prime time between 8 pm and 2 am, I am going to have to pay the barfine for the convenience. If you have found some way to get around that with Go Go girls Mr. E. I take my hat off to you, but I think not. Hostess girls may be another story, but I don't fool around with Hostess girls that much.I look at it as having a job, so I would never tell someone to skip out of work and come do this with me. You look at it as I don't care what is going on, I want this chick at this very moment. My girlfriend works at the cell phone company at Central Festival. At 2 pm I want her to go see a movie with me. I am well aware that she works from 11 am to 9 pm, so why would I even have it in my mind to want her to go to an afternoon cinema with me?
As mongers (vacation mongers in particular), sometimes we lose sight of normal life. I am not an, "I have to have it right now" guy. I am more of an "I have no problem waiting until it's available" guy; such as waiting until my girlfriend finishes work to go to the movies. Besides, there are thousands of other chicks around. Why do you just have to have that one that you know good and well is busy at the time?
As you said the barfine is for the convenience. I am not one to be paying that much for something to be convenient. There is a restaurant called Chick-Fil-A. They are closed on Sundays. I have a taste for Chik-Fil-A today. My taste is not that strong that I will call up the manager and offer $200 extra for him to go into the store and make me a sandwich. I have no problem choosing something else that I don't have to pay a convenience fee for and just waiting for tomorrow when I know Chik-Fil-A will be open and I can pay a normal price.
Mr Enternational
01-05-20, 19:10
From what I am told, Pattaya gogo girls have to pay the barfine whenever she misses a day of work during her contract. Even if she's in the hospital.Exactly. And I have known chicks to pay their own barfine so they can go to the disco to party with their friends. In some cases a chick I have met at the disco has told me that she paid 1000 baht barfine to the gogo she works at on Walking Street in order to leave and go party, then she comes home with me all night for the same 1000 baht.
Maybe NB is giving the chicks in Manila enough money so that they are able to cover the penalty they have there, if there is any.
Member #4698
01-05-20, 20:10
Maybe NB is giving the chicks in Manila enough money so that they are able to cover the penalty they have there, if there is any.Possibly, but I think since I just give the girls the going rate in MNL, Pattaya, and or BKK the reason is probably closer to what BB refers to: the Thai Go Go's are more stringent in the enforcement of the rules governing their girls attendance than in MNL. But what do I know? Girls say things. I listen. I don't pay it much mind as long as I am getting what I want.
A few years back in the 2nd year of my relationship with my 2 Bottoms girls, there was a time span when I saw both girls exclusively 10 nights in a row. At the end of that run, Sarah told me that her mamasan had issued a decree that if She did not show up at work that night, she would be fired. I said, "Sarah, listen to mama and go to Bottoms tonight. " and she did. Burgos and Walking Street are similar yet very different at the same time.
Exactly. And I have known chicks to pay their own barfine so they can go to the disco to party with their friends. In some cases a chick I have met at the disco has told me that she paid 1000 baht barfine to the gogo she works at on Walking Street in order to leave and go party, then she comes home with me all night for the same 1000 baht.I think that is fairly unusual that a girl would forgo making any money on a particular night just to go out and party, after all they are pros, but I guess I will file this under expat perks. It is good to live in Thailand. I plan on making the move sometime in the next 5 years.
Mr Enternational
01-05-20, 22:36
I think that is fairly unusual that a girl would forgo making any money on a particular night just to go out and party, after all they are pros, but I guess I will file this under expat perks. It is good to live in Thailand. I plan on making the move sometime in the next 5 years.Not an expat perk at all. Just a matter of being in the right place at the right time. They would go with any other guy that was in the disco just the same. Rarely would I even tell a chick that I meet in the disco that I live in Pattaya. When they come back to my place they see a painting of me on the wall, see the 25 bottles of liquor that I have on top of the refrigerator, see my 15 pair of shoes and all my stuff and ask you stay here long time?
The thing about Pattaya is that chicks are not always just out to make money. Sometimes they want to party. Sometimes chicks may not even go with me, instead saying I want to party with my friends. That is why I don't go around buying all those drinks for chicks. You never know what you will end up with. Just go with the flow.
The thing about Pattaya is that chicks are not always just out to make money. Sometimes they want to party. Sometimes chicks may not even go with me, instead saying I want to party with my friends. That is why I don't go around buying all those drinks for chicks. You never know what you will end up with. Just go with the flow.Exactly, this is very random. Many partying girls will be happy to pay their own drinks in discos (and tip the waiters well). They may turn down 3 K from some guy just to go with some other guy for 1. 5, or they will just go home and sleep. Unless rent is due, party on.
https://www.thaifriendly.com/Fallys
I've been seeing this gorgeous lady the last couple of years, really can't believe I'm about to post this here. She's one that I've only shared via PM here and with buddies that I know will treat her good. She ticks all of the boxes. GFE yes, great looks yes, not a clock watcher yes. I can keep going. I can honestly say that guys I've shared her with have always repeated with her, not one has ever been 'one and done'. Sitting around bored during the day won't happen if you can get ahold of her. But why are you now sharing her contact info? I'll get to that in a bit. You want a 30 minute BJ followed by some fantastic sex? She's your girl. You want some rimming as well? She's your girl. You want to travel to the Greek Islands? She's your girl. She's been on Thai friendly for years and Thai friendly is always on the lookout for her face, don't worry if the link doesn't work she'll show up again plus or minus her age to throw off their searches but she always lists the same height and weight. I'm sure she's known to some guys on this board, oddly she's never been reported on. I've kept a lookout for reports on her. She won't chat you up on LINE, she's straight to the point and asks are you in Pattaya. Here LINE account has close to a thousand guys (give or take) and she doesn't have the time for chit chat. Some guys might not like that I'm letting the cat out of the bag but there's a good reason. And the reason is: she's now dick scared. Some idiot fucked her so hard with a big dick and hurt her pretty good (it wasn't me) that she's now blocking all non-Asians out of fear that it will happen again. At least that's what seems to be happening. Only the Asian guys that I know that she's been seeing have been able to chat her up and book her. One buddy who's seen her half a dozen times even after her 'injury' was recently told that even he's too big so I am assuming she's limiting herself to Asians with smaller dicks so as not to lose money by having to take time off. There's a chance that she's still seeing older farangs who live in Pattaya so there's a chance if your older she might agree to meet. As you can see in the photo's below the first photo was taken from her Thai Friendly account, the one showing more cleavage was from her LINE account (so its the same girl). She'll give you her name if she decides to give you her LINE ID. She used to show more photo's on Thai Friendly but her account would get locked more often. Yes she's older than the normal teen girl showing up to Pattaya for the first time, her body isn't like she was back when she was 21. But she won't be a starfish, she'll make sure that your happy. I will miss her but the message was pretty clear. "if I see you again I will have pain again". Treat her well, if she makes your day buy me a beer on my next trip. Facially I'd give her a 9, she'll look just like her photo's if she shows up. Body is decent, solid 7.5. she lost a couple of points from her teenage years. Her personality though is through the roof, easily a 15 out of 10. Really debating if I'll hit the 'upload report' button. But it has to be done.
And on a side not to FL Hawk. This was the girl I was trying to set you up with on your last trip but I haven't been watching this board as much the last year.
Fallys (Noon) is famous, she's had a bunch of reviews (34) on another site that I am not allowed to mention. Usually good reviews, the latest being on 30/12.
SoberHans69
01-07-20, 20:07
There's always go go girls and soi 6 girls in ibar with a bottle partying. Some I see in there every night.
They're usually drink Jack Daniels rather than the Thai brands.
Most of the girls I've met in Thailand live for the day and never plan ahead.
Chicks are human and think illogically. Peer pressure can be huge. Think of all the Westerners that have played hooky from work or used sick / vacation time for a BS getaway. These girls are not robots. A lot of these girls can survive on less than $20 a day even with a child.
Possibly, but I think since I just give the girls the going rate in MNL, Pattaya, and or BKK the reason is probably closer to what BB refers to: the Thai Go Go's are more stringent in the enforcement of the rules governing their girls attendance than in MNL. But what do I know? Girls say things. I listen. I don't pay it much mind as long as I am getting what I want.
A few years back in the 2nd year of my relationship with my 2 Bottoms girls, there was a time span when I saw both girls exclusively 10 nights in a row. At the end of that run, Sarah told me that her mamasan had issued a decree that if She did not show up at work that night, she would be fired. I said, "Sarah, listen to mama and go to Bottoms tonight. " and she did. Burgos and Walking Street are similar yet very different at the same time.
I think that is fairly unusual that a girl would forgo making any money on a particular night just to go out and party, after all they are pros, but I guess I will file this under expat perks. It is good to live in Thailand. I plan on making the move sometime in the next 5 years.
Some girls have a nest egg saved up. Top girls can pull in more money than the average Westerner. Some girls have sponsors that allow them to party more. Some girls live at the bar or have 2 roommates. It's not unheard of for girls to take the whole summer off.
JohnnieBravo
01-08-20, 13:06
Hello fellow punters. My brother is coming with me to the LOS for the first time. Since it has been a number of years since I have visited venues such as this, I am out of the loop. I was going to take my brother to see a patpong type show. I was wondering where we might see a show like this in Pattaya where we can watch the show without being hassled too much by the girls for drinks or being outright scammed etc. I know there used to be at least one place in Pattaya that fit this description. Was it the Dollhouse? I just can't recall and I never visit these types of venues anymore. Any advice, suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
JB.
Banana Boi
01-08-20, 13:50
I was going to take my brother to see a patpong type show. I was wondering where we might see a show like this in Pattaya where we can watch the show without being hassled too much by the girls for drinks or being outright scammed etc. I know there used to be at least one place in Pattaya that fit this description. Was it the Dollhouse? I just can't recall and I never visit these types of venues anymore. Any advice, suggestions would be appreciated.If by Patpong shows you mean ping pong shows I don't think any of the gogo bars do it on a regular basis. If you just want raunch stuff like girls sticking beer bottles up their vagina and then guys drinking beer from the beer bottles you can try Windmill both floors, Kink upstairs, and Dollhouse upstairs, etc. I did see a girl shooting darts out of her pussy at one Pattaya gogo bar once but forgot which one.
If you want a different experience with girls putting on classier show type choreographed dances there is Imagine Club which is the sister club of What's Up. You won't be bothered to buy lady drinks there and it's different than all other gogo bars in Pattaya.
If you want gogo bars where girls do not bother you much for drinks you can go to Sensations, Baccara, or Palace. Girls at these bars are not desperate so don't latch on to any yahoo that walks in to the bar hoping they get a drink. You will not be scammed by wait staff or girls at these bars.
Member #4698
01-08-20, 14:20
A lot of these girls can survive on less than $20 a day even with a child.I am sure we can all come up with examples of girls not maximizing their incomes and/or spending it foolishly. It takes all kinds. I knew this looker that worked in Baccara Cowboy a few years back. She was one of my Mini's girl friends. This girl was very popular in the bar, but she limited her barfine to one a night. That was her quota. After that she would leave Sukhumvit and hang out in Thai centric bars and nightclubs with her fellow girl friends. Her thing was to pick up young, good looking Thai men that caught her fancy, buy them drinks, and pay them to fuck her. I thought that was pretty funny and ironic, but I guess Ae was a lonely girl and there was no stopping her. Mini used to try. Then low and behold, one day Ae got pregnant and her Thai base player boyfriend married her and took her out of the game. Fairy tales do come true occasionally. But I would not say this is norm.
JHourHappy
01-08-20, 16:12
https://www.thaifriendly.com/Fallys
I've been seeing this gorgeous lady the last couple of years, really can't believe I'm about to post this here. She's one that I've only shared via PM here and with buddies that I know will treat her good. She ticks all of the boxes. GFE yes, great looks yes, not a clock watcher yes. I can keep going. I can honestly say that guys I've shared her with have always repeated with her, not one has ever been 'one and done'. Sitting around bored during the day won't happen if you can get ahold of her. But why are you now sharing her contact info? I'll get to that in a bit. You want a 30 minute BJ followed by some fantastic sex? She's your girl. You want some rimming as well? She's your girl. You want to travel to the Greek Islands? She's your girl. She's been on Thai friendly for years and Thai friendly is always on the lookout for her face, don't worry if the link doesn't work she'll show up again plus or minus her age to throw off their searches but she always lists the same height and weight. I'm sure she's known to some guys on this board, oddly she's never been reported on. I've kept a lookout for reports on her. She won't chat you up on LINE, she's straight to the point and asks are you in Pattaya. Here LINE account has close to a thousand guys (give or take) and she doesn't have the time for chit chat. Some guys might not like that I'm letting the cat out of the bag but there's a good reason. And the reason is: she's now dick scared. Some idiot fucked her so hard with a big dick and hurt her pretty good (it wasn't me) that she's now blocking all non-Asians out of fear that it will happen again. At least that's what seems to be happening. Only the Asian guys that I know that she's been seeing have been able to chat her up and book her. One buddy who's seen her half a dozen times even after her 'injury' was recently told that even he's too big so I am assuming she's limiting herself to Asians with smaller dicks so as not to lose money by having to take time off. There's a chance that she's still seeing older farangs who live in Pattaya so there's a chance if your older she might agree to meet. As you can see in the photo's below the first photo was taken from her Thai Friendly account, the one showing more cleavage was from her LINE account (so its the same girl). She'll give you her name if she decides to give you her LINE ID..What's her line ID.
Banana Boi
01-08-20, 21:11
What's her line ID.You can contact her on TF and ask her. Are you actually in Pattaya because talking to her way ahead of your visit is the best way to never meet her.
What's her line ID.Her LINE ID is out there. I have it and all I did was ask for it. As stated by Downandup she is popular and by all reports on the far superior site she is active.
Hello fellow punters. My brother is coming with me to the LOS for the first time. Since it has been a number of years since I have visited venues such as this, I am out of the loop. I was going to take my brother to see a patpong type show. I was wondering where we might see a show like this in Pattaya where we can watch the show without being hassled too much by the girls for drinks or being outright scammed etc. I know there used to be at least one place in Pattaya that fit this description. Was it the Dollhouse? I just can't recall and I never visit these types of venues anymore. Any advice, suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
JB.There was a gogo on Soi 7 near the beach that did those shows.
You can contact her on TF and ask her. Are you actually in Pattaya because talking to her way ahead of your visit is the best way to never meet her.+1.
Never contact a girl until you are in Pattaya. Some will block you if you do that.
There was a gogo on Soi 7 near the beach that did those shows.I believe they had to stop the show. There are touts on walking street for this not sure if legit or not.
There was a gogo on Soi 7 near the beach that did those shows.That was Worldwide agogo but they closed shop years ago.
Gin And Tonic
01-10-20, 03:49
That was Worldwide agogo but they closed shop years ago.Wasn't WorldWide A-GO-GO on Beach Road. He might have meant Silver Star. There used to be a sign for shows at the south fork of Soi Diamond & Walking across from be. J. 3 Beer Bar.
I was going to take my brother to see a patpong type show. I was wondering where we might see a show like this in Pattaya where we can watch the show without being hassled too much by the girls for drinks or being outright scammed etc. I know there used to be at least one place in Pattaya that fit this description.There is only 1 place in Pattaya that openly advertises Patpong ping pong type of shows (ping pong, blow darts, lesbian shows, etc).
You can't miss the touts. They start on Beach Road. They are all over Walking Street. I believe the name of the go-go is Playgirl. It is upstairs on Walking Street.
I've never been there. You probably will be hassled for drinks by the girls. If you say no, they don't normally bother you too much. Those type of shows are boring after the first 5 times. But if you bring your brother or friend for the first time, you must go. I don't see people complaining or the tourist police hanging over there, so my guess is that it isn't a total mafia scam like it was 20 years ago in the side soi's of Patpong.
My guess is that it's like the Patpong type of shows in Phuket. The first beer was about 20 something dolllar. Then the next beer was normal at about $5. I was told that by Thai law, all prices must be posted. Check both sides of the menu, and read the fine print. In Phuket, the exposed side of the menu had the prices of the second drink. The other side had the prices of the first drink. Many people probably ordered without knowing the price of the first drink. They can't really complain because the prices are posted.
Has anyone gone to Playgirl go-go?
Banana Boi listed raunchy go-gos (Windmill, Kink upstairs, Dollhouse). I would go to those. You can lick and finger to your heart's content. BB knows his go-gos!
YearOfMonk
01-10-20, 11:56
https://www.thaifriendly.com/Fallys.Pretty much spot on review. Just to add that she's only available during the day, after sending her kids to school, at least that was the case till last July. She is a no nonsense lady, & focused on getting her work done. 1500 be for ST is what she charges on an average, & she told me she's not up for LLT as she has to cater to her family by evening. Rest, YMMV.
I haven't seen Ping Pong shows in Pattaya. Upstairs in Kink, there's an older lady who shoots ice cubes from her puss into a bowl. There's another one at the Silver Star, soi 7 who shoots ice cubes into a beer glass. Then makes you drink it. LOL (According to a friend.) I've seen a dart show in Crazy House, Bangkok. They were popping balloons with them.
Banana Boi listed raunchy go-gos (Windmill, Kink upstairs, Dollhouse). I would go to those. You can lick and finger to your heart's content. BB knows his go-gos!Isn't postbox pretty much in the same league? Can play on prem but it is not a go go.
Mr Enternational
01-12-20, 16:55
Pretty much spot on review. Just to add that she's only available during the day, after sending her kids to school, at least that was the case till last July. She is a no nonsense lady, & focused on getting her work done. 1500 be for ST is what she charges on an average, & she told me she's not up for LLT as she has to cater to her family by evening. Rest, YMMV.It is funny that except for the price, you just described the routine of a Beach Road chick. But for some reason everyone is afraid of them. They get off work, then take care of their kids with dinner and shit, run out to the beach to make some money, then go back home. And to top that off, the same Beach Road girls are on thaifriendly as well, but there are guys that would take them off tf, but not off Beach Road.
SamPeter71
01-13-20, 03:12
I have 16 HR layover at BKK and my flight reaches around 7 am. My return flight is at 11 PM. I am planning to go to Pattaya and stay till 6 in the evening.
What are the suggestions for day time action at Pattaya. Is it good idea to visit Pattaya during the day.
Any suggestions on BKK airport to Pattaya. Taxi vs bus.
Thanks.
It is funny that except for the price, you just described the routine of a Beach Road chick. But for some reason everyone is afraid of them. They get off work, then take care of their kids with dinner and shit, run out to the beach to make some money, then go back home. And to top that off, the same Beach Road girls are on thaifriendly as well, but there are guys that would take them off tf, but not off Beach Road.Yep, I've spotted a good number of BR girls on the ThaiFriendly site. I find it amusing watching them at work on the beach continuously looking at their phone checking to see any activity on their TF account as well.
I have 16 HR layover at BKK and my flight reaches around 7 am. My return flight is at 11 PM. I am planning to go to Pattaya and stay till 6 in the evening.
What are the suggestions for day time action at Pattaya. Is it good idea to visit Pattaya during the day.
Any suggestions on BKK airport to Pattaya. Taxi vs bus.
Thanks.Good luck with that! Let's see, clear immigration. Get bags. Now looking at 8 am. 1. 5-3 HR ride to Pattaya. You're so much better just grabbing a cab, cheap room in BKK and heading to Soi 4 or a massage place. Why take the chance of missing your flight? Especially since you can find anything in BKK that you can in Pattaya. I wouldn't even go down if I had 24 hrs.
Christian G
01-13-20, 09:51
I have 16 HR layover at BKK and my flight reaches around 7 am. My return flight is at 11 PM. I am planning to go to Pattaya and stay till 6 in the evening.
What are the suggestions for day time action at Pattaya.
Plenty of day time action in Pattaya, but why waste hours in taxi each way for travel from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya? Plenty of brothels / massage / BJ bars in BKK between Nana and Phrom Phong.
Anyway Pattaya day time soi6, soi honey, soi chaiyapoon, bodymassage and all the G. Clubs and BJ bars scattered around town.
Gabriel Jacob
01-13-20, 11:30
Can anyone recommend a place or provider for erotic couples massage. We are especially looking for a place that has good massage and facilities and provides good service for happy ending for guy and girl. Thanks!
LittleBigMan
01-13-20, 12:37
Plenty of day time action in Pattaya, but why waste hours in taxi each way for travel from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya? Plenty of brothels / massage / BJ bars in BKK between Nana and Phrom Phong.
Anyway Pattaya day time soi6, soi honey, soi chaiyapoon, bodymassage and all the G. Clubs and BJ bars scattered around town.This is so true great advice unless you want to spend resting and all jetlag in the taxi, you are talking a good two-hour ride each way, 4-5 hours lost from your 16 and let's say you get a good deal for each direction 1000 baht that is 2000 baht lost.
You can get a taxi to the Nana area, 200-400 baht, get a cheap room on one of the side Soi 500-700 clean up shower and head out for a bite to end, get a foot or Thai massage with a Happy ending if you desire or just wait until places start to open up and follow Christian G. Advice. Too many choices instead of spending it in traffic, it really is a no brainer!
Banana Boi
01-13-20, 23:04
Anyone been to JP Republic on Soi Lucky Star, Walking Street? I have gogo girls sending me Line messages to go.
Can anyone recommend a place or provider for erotic couples massage. We are especially looking for a place that has good massage and facilities and provides good service for happy ending for guy and girl. Thanks!Are you looking for two female masseuses, or a masseuse and a masseur?
SL.
Yep, I've spotted a good number of BR girls on the ThaiFriendly site. I find it amusing watching them at work on the beach continuously looking at their phone checking to see any activity on their TF account as well.LOL I overheard a lb talking on line on beach Road last night saying. "I'm looking for husband" LOL comical.
I have 16 HR layover at BKK and my flight reaches around 7 am. My return flight is at 11 PM. I am planning to go to Pattaya and stay till 6 in the evening.
What are the suggestions for day time action at Pattaya. Is it good idea to visit Pattaya during the day.
Any suggestions on BKK airport to Pattaya. Taxi vs bus.
Thanks.For Bangkok or Pattaya that's a tough one. If you know where you're going and doing it might work. The freelancers are sleeping. MP's are open but afternoon is best. In pattaya soi 6 opens afternoon. Soi 13/1-13/2 has some skanky gogo's and good MP's. You might catch a good FL on beach Road or not. Bus to Pattaya is a big time killer and you don't have any so take taxi if you go there. You could line up a girl ahead of time on TF and meet her. If it were me I'd do Bangkok and hit soi 24 at phrom phong bts. If I absolutely had to see pattaya (and I wouldn't) I'd arrange a taxi and go to Soi 13/2, Soi Chaipoon, or Soi 6. Actually Soi Chaipoon in Pattaya would work there's a good gentlemen's club opens early. In afternoon I'd hit up Soi 6 and walk beach Road.
SamPeter71
01-14-20, 18:35
Thank you fir the suggestions. What are the bets places to get girls during the day in the Nana area.
This is so true great advice unless you want to spend resting and all jetlag in the taxi, you are talking a good two-hour ride each way, 4-5 hours lost from your 16 and let's say you get a good deal for each direction 1000 baht that is 2000 baht lost.
You can get a taxi to the Nana area, 200-400 baht, get a cheap room on one of the side Soi 500-700 clean up shower and head out for a bite to end, get a foot or Thai massage with a Happy ending if you desire or just wait until places start to open up and follow Christian G. Advice. Too many choices instead of spending it in traffic, it really is a no brainer!
Thank you fir the suggestions. What are the bets places to get girls during the day in the Nana area.If I assume that you are not going to get a room, then look into BJ bars like Wood / Lolita's / Kasalong, dirty massage joints in allys off Soi 22 (after the marriot Marquis) and then the Japanese style places further along Sukhumvit.
Mr Enternational
01-14-20, 21:07
LOL I overheard a lb talking on line on beach Road last night saying. "I'm looking for husband" LOL comical.What is comical about that? A lot of people are looking for husbands.
Gabriel Jacob
01-15-20, 02:42
Two female masseuses ideally. But could be a guy and a girl too.
Are you looking for two female masseuses, or a masseuse and a masseur?
SL.
LittleBigMan
01-15-20, 06:39
Thank you fir the suggestions. What are the bets places to get girls during the day in the Nana area.I don't leave in Bangkok, but Pattaya! Go to the Bangkok Thread, or better yet all the massage threads there are tons of advice as to what and where to go that is what I do whenever I take a break from Pattaya and take a day trip to Bangkok.
If I don't stay long enough to get a room, I go to a massage place with all the ending and shower there even brush my teeth?
What is comical about that? A lot of people are looking for husbands.Yes girls and LBs alike, potentially looking for a husband. Naturally tougher for a LB to find one permanent guy that won't seek to upgrade to a younger hotter model even so often.
I suppose if LB tells a customer, "she" is looking for a husband, it is mainly for some psychological effect, not sure if that would scare away any customers. I suppose some girls may say they are looking for a husband too, but most us would not be fooled, if it wasn't true, perhaps a tactic to suggest she is passionate and has no pimp. LBs are naturally especially prone to exaggeration.
Many hookers are looking for a rich husband or sponsor or three, unless purely supporting a pimp, right? They can't be a hooker forever. Its a stop gap.
Cunning Stunt
01-16-20, 06:50
Here we are in Pattaya again. Not been here in over a year but the place doesn't change much. I tell a lie, the place no longer seems to have that overlying miasmic cloud of the stench of shit that it used to have. Have they finally got around to fixing the cities sewage system? From the look of all the excavation work going on along Beach Road, it's an ongoing project. I rather miss the familiar 'I smell shit. Ahh, it's good to be in Pattaya again' feeling.
I'm staying, as usual, at VT six. It's the best located hotel that's not a hotel in town, right next door to the swanky Hilton and a few steps to the Royal Festival Mall. It's not that cheap, probably on par with a mid-level hotel but the rooms are large and well equipped and the views across Pattaya Bay are tremendous. I like to sit like a lord on the big balcony and thumb my nose at the hoi polloi scampering like ants far beneath me on Beach Road (okay I know that ants do not scamper but you get my drift).
Last night I walked along Beach Road as far as Soi Six. The last time that I was here, I was accompanying my adult son, who was desperate to lose his paid for BJ cherry. He had already amazed me by pulling two freebies in the first three days of our stay in Pattaya. One was a not bad looking Thai MILF in her mid to late twenties and the other a slightly podgy but fuckable Russian tourist. But he wanted Thai blowjob bar ticked off his bucket list so we headed up (or is it down?) to Soi Six. And a surreal exercise it was too, sitting drinking a beer in a Thai Bar whilst merely feet away I could here the unmistakable sounds of my boy been sucked off by a young and quite attractive bargirl. Life is full of surprises and new sensations and you should embrace the novel and different.
I did not monger at all on that week long trip (for obvious reasons) and I'm not decided whether or not I will partake on this trip or not. You might think what is the point of making the trip to this place if I wasn't going to taste the forbidden fruit? Good question. My extensive worldwide experiences of the past 3 to 4 years seem to have spoiled me to the pleasures of day to day punting that I used to enjoy in places such as Pattaya. Or maybe it's the ravages of encroaching old age that is to blame. I saw little to get the sap rising on Soi Six and those that did look doable tended to spoil it as soon as they opened their mouths and emitted screeching Pahk Isaan noises that were more often heard in a zoo or bird sanctuary. Am I alone in thinking that the noise of eastern dialect Thai is on par with low born Cantonese as being one of the noisiest and least attractive languages on earth?
So maybe I'll be happy with a BJ or two and like Bill Clinton, not count them as having sex. At the moment I am happy to observe the going on in a place that must rank as one of the worlds number one destinations for people watchers and voyeurs. There is something going on every where you look. It is indeed an eye opener.
as soon as they opened their mouths and emitted screeching Pahk Isaan noises that were more often heard in a zoo or bird sanctuary. Am I alone in thinking that the noise of eastern dialect Thai is on par with low born Cantonese as being one of the noisiest and least attractive languages on earth?The Isaan squawk still reminds me of a murder of crows, once the volume goes up a few notches it's possibly the most abrasive sound I've heard a human being make.
And squawk they do when it comes to anything to do with Baht and Som Tam.
Good, bad and indifferent.
The sound doesn't get me hard. Many times I've pulled up stumps when it gets to fever pitch.
That Cantonese shrill I have heard in Hong Kong. Painful.
Mr Enternational
01-16-20, 08:58
I did not monger at all on that week long trip (for obvious reasons) and I'm not decided whether or not I will partake on this trip or not.The obvious reasons are not so obvious.
The obvious reasons are not so obvious.Perhaps because his son was with him?
Generational thing maybe, happy to hear his son get a paid-for BJ a few feet away but didn't feel comfortable with his son seeing the full-on debauchery that Dad routinely enjoyed.
Cunning Stunt
01-16-20, 14:19
Perhaps because his son was with him?
Generational thing maybe, happy to hear his son get a paid-for BJ a few feet away but didn't feel comfortable with his son seeing the full-on debauchery that Dad routinely enjoyed.Yes, that is about it, Ed. Guess that I'm old school.
Although the bit about being a full-on debauchee is a bit hard but probably true also.
I saw little to get the sap rising on Soi Six and those that did look doable tended to spoil it as soon as they opened their mouths and emitted screeching Pahk Isaan noises that were more often heard in a zoo or bird sanctuary. Am I alone in thinking that the noise of eastern dialect Thai is on par with low born Cantonese as being one of the noisiest and least attractive languages on earth?
Issan dialect, which is almost identical to the Lao language, has many words in common to Thai, but pronunciation is changed.
This makes Issan sound somewhat uglier than Thai, but is not as bad as sound of low class Cantonese. However once the Issan folk, crank up the decibels, it does get quite ugly. It clearly depends on what you are used to. I find Vietnamese rather jerky and ugly, just like Catonese is ugly. I find young girls making announcements in Thai language in Department stores to be extremely beautifully melodic at times. It is hard to like Issan dialect when you are used to central Thai. Southern dialect is maybe less ugly but sounds more comical somehow. Northern dialect is a little quaint. All sound better than Cantonese. Happy to not live in Hong Kong or nearby.
In the province rice fields, the locals can be on different farms separated by 100 metres (sorry no feet here), can be having a conversation by yelling at each other in the Issan dialect over the distance. The weird thing is, when they are 5 feet apart, they still seem to be yelling. They can be yelling into their phones as well.
When wanting to converse they prefer to yell over distance rather than moving close to the person for the conversation. Being drunk typically increases the decibels too.
If I am alone with the Mrs. , she seems to be just a slightly loud and exuberant at times, but quite reasonable. When other Issan folk arrive, her decibels seem to rise so much, it seems like she is showing off, and I have to consider wearing ear plugs. I am happier when all the folk are gone, and I can have some peace and quiet disturbed only by farm animals and her music playing all day long.
Not every Issan person is a very loud speaker, and shrieker when calling out, but it is common. Normally Issan people are much quieter when in Bangkok, and use the overly loud volume mainly in the villages.
Many languages in the world sound pretty ugly when you are not used to them. e.g. I watch plenty of TV series in Swedish (with subtitles), and it sounds rather jerky with strongly stressed syllables. I understand German but don't really like the sound of the language, compared to Thai. When it comes to English, even the accent can be lightly annoying or comical, like Deep South accents, or some regions of the U.K., so many variations for the way vowels are pronounced. The new "Dr. Who" is a woman, right? It flashed on the telly, and I did not like her English Yorkshire? (sounds non-classy) accent at all. Switched it off real quick. Most South African, new Zealand, and Australian actors would try to lose some accent for TV, so it does not grate on us. We don't even have to tolerate strong deep south accents on TV normally, nor the most unintelligible Scottish accents.
Could be even hard to take a girl as a G.F. with an ugly accent. If my G.F. had been a very loud talker when I met her, then we would never have got any further. Little did I know in the province she would suddenly be capable of being rather loud a little too often.
Banana Boi
01-17-20, 04:57
but is not as bad as sound of low class Cantonese. Can you please explain to me what low class Cantonese means? Cantonese is one of over 200 Chinese dialects. Mandarin is another dialect.
For me the sound of Filipino girls make me cringe. Why I don't do AC or Manila.
Can you please explain to me what low class Cantonese means? Cantonese is one of over 200 Chinese dialects. Mandarin is another dialect.
Yes I did not mention Mandarin or other dialects. Stunning C*nts introduced the "low class Catonese" term. I know the sound of Mandarin well, but many other dialects, I could not pick with low experience.
I took it to mean the loud jerky stuff heard from lower class persons in Hong Kong, maybe you have experienced it? Everything sounds so urgent there. Certainly sounds ugly to foreigners. Actually their attempts at English can sound pretty ugly too.
I vividly recall being unable to understand the English of the waitress in the floating Jumbo restaurant, and seemed like she was barking orders at me, based on the tone, rather than asking me anything politely. Chinese from that region are not renowned for their "polite" style at all. You don't want to be around Chinese tour groups in Thailand.
My wealthy boss from Hong Kong sounded vastly better when she spoke Cantonese or English. So we imagine there is a posh style of Cantonese and the very much an ugly sounding variation. English could equally be posh style or low class style. Its all in the delivery accent, and somewhat in the chosen vocab, one would guess.
"Neih Ho", "Ho Ho", "Hai" My pathetic attempts to mimic my Hong Kong boss heard when receiving a phone call from her husband, when a typical conversation would be 5 seconds to arrange pick up, and hang up with a bang. They talk about Hoes a lot. Ha ha. Or Ho Ho-ing like Santa. I don't actually know any Cantonese.
In Thai, "ho" is not really a word I think, but "hor" means to wrap up something.
Cunning Stunt
01-17-20, 07:28
Can you please explain to me what low class Cantonese means? Cantonese is one of over 200 Chinese dialects. Mandarin is another dialect.
For me the sound of Filipino girls make me cringe. Why I don't do AC or Manila.I lived for several years in Hong Kong and so became inured to the ugly Cantonese dialect spoken there but never got used to the way they shout in your face at 100+ decibels.
I rather like the sing song sound of spoken Tagalog. I thinks its one of the easier on the ear languages in the region.
And yes, Syzygies, Jody Whittaker is the latest Dr Who and is a Yorkshire lass, born and bred. I think the jury is out on her casting as the latest Doctor. I never watch it so can't really comment.
LittleBigMan
01-17-20, 07:34
Yes I did not mention Mandarin or other dialects. Stunning C*nts introduced the "low class Catonese" term. I know the sound of Mandarin well, but many other dialects, I could not pick with low experience.
I took it to mean the loud jerky stuff heard from lower class persons in Hong Kong, maybe you have experienced it? Everything sounds so urgent there. Certainly sounds ugly to foreigners. Actually their attempts at English can sound pretty ugly too.
I vividly recall being unable to understand the English of the waitress in the floating Jumbo restaurant, and seemed like she was barking orders at me, based on the tone, rather than asking me anything politely. Chinese from that region are not renowned for their "polite" style at all. You don't want to be around Chinese tour groups in Thailand.
My wealthy boss from Hong Kong sounded vastly better when she spoke Cantonese or English. So we imagine there is a posh style of Cantonese and the very much an ugly sounding variation. English could equally be posh style or low class style. Its all in the delivery accent, and somewhat in the chosen vocab, one would guess.
"Neih Ho", "Ho Ho", "Hai" My pathetic attempts to mimic my Hong Kong boss heard when receiving a phone call from her husband, when a typical conversation would be 5 seconds to arrange pick up, and hang up with a bang. They talk about Hoes a lot. Ha ha. Or Ho Ho-ing like Santa. I don't actually know any Cantonese.
In Thai, "ho" is not really a word I think, but "hor" means to wrap up something.Although Chinese American I do understand some and recognize Mandarin well, it is a softer and more romantic language than Cantonese which I've heard all my life. I understand it more than I can speak, what my family speak and taught to me is Haka now been told that is as low so as you can get. But during my tours into China, late 80-early 90's told that Mao and Ping were all Haka.
Growing up travel with my dad and uncles into the village or whenever friends, the family came over the house, your blood pressure would go up to double, ears ringing, just from a simple conversation. When I finally met my Thai wife's family Sukhothai they must have some Haka in them I thought I was visiting my own family. I hook up once with my older brother who was up at the Mae Sai mountain area living with a group many of older ones spoke some Haka after a bottle it was like back home.
The louder the better, it makes me at ease and feels I'm back home with family.
Crocodilexp
01-17-20, 09:39
The Isaan squawk still reminds me of a murder of crows, once the volume goes up a few notches it's possibly the most abrasive sound I've heard a human being make.
I disagree. Some language (like Vietnamese, Mandarin or German) are inherently on the ugly side, but when it comes to Issan, I think it's all about the delivery.
Many years ago, I took my old man on an overnight ride on a Thai bus, and he commented how the quiet cooing of two Issan women in front of us was lovely, nicer than any other language he heard. He had no idea what language it was or what they were saying, and certainly no preconceived notions about Asian languages (those often get in the way of our judgements). It was the Issan dialect, presumably of Nong Khai variety. I imagine a drunken Soi 6 working girl at full volume speaking Issan would be far less endearing.
Cunning Stunt
01-17-20, 11:50
Pattaya seem to have increasingly become the holiday resort of choice for single male Indian tourists. I'm not racist and dislike racial stereotypes but I'm not surprised that many girls refuse to have anything to do with them. They seem to hunt in packs and, when they find a possible target, are not averse to crowding her as the group in the photo are doing. I suppose those usually older, thicker and less pretty girls who are forced, of necessity to deal with these no doubt sex starved and horny young men, are used to it but it's not an attractive spectacle to see.
And are they negotiating a discount rate for the team and are the four guys pictured really going to take turns on the girl or three of them fill the available slots and one man stand by as reserve? Or are they just negotiating for one of the party. I'm really interested to know.
One good thing about the invasion of the Indian hordes is that the number of Indian restaurants have quadrupled since my not so long ago last visit. Once upon a time I recall making a hot, sweaty trip on city buses with moaning girlfriend in tow from Sukhumvit to the Royal India Restaurant down Chakkraphet Road near Chinatown in Bangkok. It was the only way that I was able to get some decent Indian chow, being virtually the only Indian cafe in town at the time and there were none at all in Pattaya.
Walking along Beach Road tonight, I spotted 3 Indian guys negotiating with a freelancer. Their offer to her was for the three of them to bang her one after the other in their room for a total of 1200 baht. So 400 baht each. She walked off with them so she must have accepted their generous offer. I suppose it beats working at 7-11 for 4 days at 300 baht per day.Hey Stunt,
This may answer your question.
And are they negotiating a discount rate for the team and are the four guys pictured really going to take turns on the girl or three of them fill the available slots and one man stand by as reserve? Or are they just negotiating for one of the party. I'm really interested to know.Yes, maybe. My understanding is that its cultural. They're not accustomed to talking to the opposite sex. If only one is looking, the others are there to provide moral support. Then there's the negotiating aspect. You'll also see them holding hands, best of friends, from childhood, probably. They're Not gay, (not that there's anything wrong with that,) It's cultural remember.
Dr Who last season sucked, terrible, episodes made no sense and too many side kicks. After watching two episodes of this season, the writing looks improved.
Dr Who last season sucked, terrible, episodes made no sense and too many side kicks. After watching two episodes of this season, the writing looks improved.I gave up watching it after 4 or 5 episodes, everything about it sucks big time, everyone needs to be fired and a new crew brought in. It may be sinking past the Sylvester McCoy days.
Banana Boi
01-17-20, 21:40
Anyone been to The Mews G club that opened last week? It's walking distance from Kinnaree and open until 10 pm so a good place to hit after Kinnaree closes.
Christian G
01-17-20, 22:00
Anyone been to The Mews G club that opened last week? It's walking distance from Kinnaree and open until 10 pm so a good place to hit after Kinnaree closes.I not been there but I read that the prices are 350 baht for room, 1000 baht for girl and 120 baht for ladydrinks.
https://www.facebook.com/The-Mews-100490514794008/
LittleBigMan
01-18-20, 02:02
Anyone been to The Mews G club that opened last week? It's walking distance from Kinnaree and open until 10 pm so a good place to hit after Kinnaree closes.BB,
I've also heard that Kinnaree the land had sold to a developer? Haven't been up there since the news or rumor to confirm if it is true and whether he plans to move and reopen or just close and call it a day. Shame my favorite GM club!
I did not monger at all on that week long trip and I have not decided whether or not I will partake on this trip or not. Maybe I'll be happy with a BJ or two, and like Bill Clinton, not count them as having sex.Monica Says: YOU FUNNY MAN!
How old are the videos you're watching? Sometimes the date the video is posted is a fair bit later than the date it was created.
As far as I know, 700 THB is the baseline going rate on Beach Road, it has been for a few years. Up until 2015 or so the going rate was 500 THB, but then jumped to 700. Some girls might ask for more (especially if busy), but it's OK to offer 700 and see if they accept, most will. In any case, on Beach Road, dreadful quality (I'm not too picky, but it really is dire) is more of a problem than price. I haven't been to Beach Road in a few months, so I'm not 100% sure, but things change slowly there.
I find that offering a price works much better than asking, as long as you know the going rate. Most girls feel better if I offer 700 and settle on 700-800, rather than if I talk her down from 1000. And if she throws out some ridiculous number like 1500-2000, the game is over before it started, even if we could have agreed.
As for other venues, it's highly unlikely prices would go down, they never do. The best you can hope for is price staying the same for a while, and girls readily accepting the lower end of the going rate range, rather pushing for more.This past October during a 10 day stay in Pats I must have checked Beach Road four or five times and I have to agree about the "dreadful quality". For me it was well worth the incremental difference to find a girl on soi 6. That said, Beach Road can hold a surprise on occasion and I still look.
Cunning Stunt
01-19-20, 07:47
Well I'm having a lovely holiday here in Pattaya but not of the sex tourist kind. Either I have become far too damned picky (a possibility) or the quality of the available wenches has so far declined that even if I wasn't so choosy, I would still find it hard to find anything what wasn't in the bagger or even worse, the dreaded double bagger category. And I'll be fucked if I will pay for a walking horror story.
For example, yesterday I went to Devils Den in Soi LK Metro. In the past I have taken outcalls from there on the photographic evidence on their website and not been displeased with the girl or girls who turned up at my door. But a bad experience the last time that I booked an imp sight unseen, has decided me that it is better to err on the side of caution, particularly when you are considering taking a brace, by visiting first. And lucky that I did. Devils Den have seldom had many Thai beauties on their books but things have never been as desperate as it appears to be now. The line-up was numerically sound with about 8 girls available but I'm afraid that there was not a one amongst them that I particularly wanted to spend my precious time and money with. Don't get me wrong. They are probably all lovely girls but a MILF in her thirties is not what I have on my shopping list right now. I left disappointed.
And where are my favourite fallbacks, the African girls working on a visa? Don't tell me, immigration have had a visa clamp down recently. I've seen one since I got here (and none in Bangkok) and she looked scared of her own shadow.
It's no wonder that the bars are empty and must be really feeling the squeeze. It's peak season one would think, but I visited the Windmill last night and whereas in the past I would be fighting to get a seat, now I had the choice of many. When the Windmill is hurting, many other bars must be terminal. I popped into Happy which used to have some really hot dancers but I appeared to be the only customer (admittedly is was quite early) and the girls dancing listlessly on the stage were not a patch on its former glory.
So is Pattaya as a sex tourist destination, in terminal decline? There seems to be no shortage of normal tourists such as the Chinese and other East Asians. And there are plenty of Russian and of course the much maligned Indians who largely seem to do there own thing. And loads of Western retirees although I suspect that most do not have a great deal of disposable income so they tend to gravitate to cheaper bars of the bring your own, al fresco, Beach Road Coconut variety.
So the template for the future of the place is anyone's guess. Maybe sex industry businesses will struggle along more or less in its present form or maybe the red light areas will become smaller and more centralised. Who knows? One thing is for sure and that is that a Pattaya without its naughty Sanuk, would be a much reduced and boring place.
I'm heading back to Soi 6 for an afternoon visit to see if I can find a nice, bad girl, preferably one that does not squawk like a Isaan chicken being strangled!
Mr Enternational
01-19-20, 13:29
And loads of Western retirees although I suspect that most do not have a great deal of disposable income so they tend to gravitate to cheaper bars No. As I have said time and time again, there is no need to go to a bar to get a chick in Pattaya. There are loads of them walking around and out and about everyday. All one needs to do is say hey, where are you going? Or talk to a waitress at the restaurant. Or talk to the chick at 7 Eleven. Or talk to the chick at Mike's shopping. Why are bars made out to be the end all be all?
Banana Boi
01-19-20, 21:12
There are loads of them walking around and out and about everyday. All one needs to do is say hey, where are you going? Or talk to a waitress at the restaurant. Or talk to the chick at 7 Eleven. Or talk to the chick at Mike's shopping. Or the girl starts talking to you first. I was enjoying lunch alone at S&P one day when the bakery girl across the restaurant saw me and came over to ask if I wanted to go to a movie after her shift. She was young and cute. How could I say no?
Feelz Good
01-20-20, 05:34
Well this is my 5th trip to Pattaya. I usually stay 2-3 weeks at a time. Although I believe in your observation partly, I think it is getting harder to find the gold. IMHO, there is gold in them darn hills of Pattaya! There is 10's of thousands of ladies here to make money. First, Beach road is hot and cold and takes a lot more time and patience. For me, I am very picky, and walk some distance up and down and usually find a diamond in rough 50-60% of time. Years ago it used to be "how much you give", I would offer low and she would counter and I would agree and we were off to my hotel. She would feel in control but performance was hit or miss. The beer bar ladies I feel has gone downhill and gotten older and it takes too much scouting and drinking to score for my laziness. I experience a lot cute faces screaming at me to come and have a beer and once I come over to see the layers of make up or the big ass that has been hidden behind the counter, well I never had much luck with beer bar take out. Then there is the Go Go's. They have gotten pretty pricey. Drinks and bar fines are up and the ladies are firm and demand top money. No rhyme or reason to it, perhaps many factors come to play in her perceived value. Maybe how successful she has been, or how hungry she is, or what new dress she wants, or probably more times than not, how old, fat and ugly the customer is. But, if you are willing to spend what takes, you are always assured of a good time. None of these ladies want you to go back to mamasan and complain about a starfish! They will be young eye candy of your taste. I have been told there is 100 Go Go's on Walking Street. Don't know how many but every time I come for visit there is dozens of renamed or brand new clubs. This trip I was amazed at the selection at the Pin Up AGoGo a couple nights ago. My gal told me there was over a 100 ladies there that night. I would do 95% of them at it was very difficult picking one. I never experienced such a dilemma in all my past trips. They are there and plentiful, but maybe it takes a little more money and effort than years past. Good Luck hunting!
Well I'm having a lovely holiday here in Pattaya but not of the sex tourist kind. Either I have become far too damned picky (a possibility) or the quality of the available wenches has so far declined that even if I wasn't so choosy, I would still find it hard to find anything what wasn't in the bagger or even worse, the dreaded double bagger category. And I'll be fucked if I will pay for a walking horror story.
For example, yesterday I went to Devils Den in Soi LK Metro. In the past I have taken outcalls from there on the photographic evidence on their website and not been displeased with the girl or girls who turned up at my door. But a bad experience the last time that I booked an imp sight unseen, has decided me that it is better to err on the side of caution, particularly when you are considering taking a brace, by visiting first. And lucky that I did. Devils Den have seldom had many Thai beauties on their books but things have never been as desperate as it appears to be now. The line-up was numerically sound with about 8 girls available but I'm afraid that there was not a one amongst them that I particularly wanted to spend my precious time and money with. Don't get me wrong. They are probably all lovely girls but a MILF in her thirties is not what I have on my shopping list right now. I left disappointed.
And where are my favourite fallbacks, the African girls working on a visa? Don't tell me, immigration have had a visa clamp down recently. I've seen one since I got here (and none in Bangkok) and she looked scared of her own shadow.
It's no wonder that the bars are empty and must be really feeling the squeeze. It's peak season one would think, but I visited the Windmill last night and whereas in the past I would be fighting to get a seat, now I had the choice of many. When the Windmill is hurting, many other bars must be terminal. I popped into Happy which used to have some really hot dancers but I appeared to be the only customer (admittedly is was quite early) and the girls dancing listlessly on the stage were not a patch on its former glory.
So is Pattaya as a sex tourist destination, in terminal decline? There seems to be no shortage of normal tourists such as the Chinese and other East Asians. And there are plenty of Russian and of course the much maligned Indians who largely seem to do there own thing. And loads of Western retirees although I suspect that most do not have a great deal of disposable income so they tend to gravitate to cheaper bars of the bring your own, al fresco, Beach Road Coconut variety.
So the template for the future of the place is anyone's guess. Maybe sex industry businesses will struggle along more or less in its present form or maybe the red light areas will become smaller and more centralised. Who knows? One thing is for sure and that is that a Pattaya without its naughty Sanuk, would be a much reduced and boring place.
I'm heading back to Soi 6 for an afternoon visit to see if I can find a nice, bad girl, preferably one that does not squawk like a Isaan chicken being strangled!
Cunning Stunt
01-22-20, 03:43
Well my friends are gone and my hair is grey.
I ache in the places where I used to play.
And I'm crazy for love but I'm not coming on.
I'm just paying my rent every day.
Oh in the Tower of Song.
L COHEN.
I know just what Leonard meant. Its just not happening for me in Pattaya this time. And the thing is I don't care because I go to Manila next and if it don't happen for me there, then there is no hope for me whatsoever.
Mind you, looking on the bright side, I did get an okay BJ when I ventured down Sofi 6 again the other night but in Clintonese, that doesn't count. And I've been sending out feelers for a peculiar 'bucket list' fantasy that I have involving a pretty young lady, one of Pattaya's countless creatures of indeterminate gender and me. It will probably be either too difficult or too expensive to arrange so will likely remain a fantasy but watch this space.
Afterthought. I seem also to recall that they are frowned upon here so maybe it better that I not mention it again.
Well this is my 5th trip to Pattaya.
This is probably something like my 35th and almost certainly my last.
WalterWhite
01-23-20, 21:50
Anyone been to JP Republic on Soi Lucky Star, Walking Street? I have gogo girls sending me Line messages to go.Banana Boi,
I was there last week. It is a disco club. It is smaller than Insomnia but decent. It stays open a bit later than Insomnia that closes at 5 am. JP was open till 5:30 am. Not a bad disco.
Thai Addict
01-28-20, 18:09
Sometimes life sucks. I arrived in Pattaya for a relaxing holiday but three days later I found myself in the hospital with an acute appendicitis. Bad luck, but it's is treatable. Thailand has a good medical infrastructure and I had a good medical insurance, so no problems here. I survived and there were no permanent consequences.
However due to this incident I couldn't enjoy the available fruit as planned. I had to stay away from strenuous activities and avoid body contact. Keeping a fresh operation wound clean is a challenge in the tropics. In other words: a simple B2B massage or even too much sweating could put me to the risk of an infection.
So what could I do? The most important thing after any surgery is to stay active. So when they discharged me, I upgraded my hotel and spent the remaining time walking, talking and observing the streets so that I could still provide a humble contribution to this forum. No P4P for me this time unfortunately. But I forgot that I was in Thailand. Especially, I forgot I was in Pattaya.
First impressions of Walking Street and Beach road.
My previous visit in Pattaya was in 2008. Today Walking Street looks more or less the same though a little less boisterous than I remember. Lucifer? Check! Still there. Ocean 10? Gone! (I loved to watch the dancers on the catwalk at the front). Flower sellers and street performers? Still there. Hot promo girls? Of course! Live music? Yes. Public? In general a more Asian look and feel than I remember. Prices? Gone up. I will have a hard time to get a beer for the 2008 going price.
One other thing definitely changed, as everywhere. Smartphones! In 2008 the first iPhones still had to appear in Thailand. The happy few had an HTC running Windows Mobile. But apps like Tinder, Line, WeChat, WhatsApp and ThaiFriendly were nonexistent. Today there is no Thai girl without a smartphone and they seem to be more interested in their smartphone than in me. In 2008 I could make eye contact with every girl. Today I can pass a quarter of the girls without even noticing me.
Walking Street has been described extensively in many threads so there is little I can add. All major attractions are within the first 500 meter. It's fun to stroll along, watch people, eat and visit clubs. It covers virtually any taste and any budget.
Strolling along Beach road after 7 pm, you can choose from more than hundred freelancers, some of which you can have short time (ST) with for less than the barfine of a gogo girl. Most Beach road girls are within the 5 to 7 range with an occasional 8, and in their mid 20's to mid 30's with occasional 40+s. ST starts around 800 baht depending on the girl, moment in time, your looks and negotiation skills etc. At 7 pm you find them on the sidewalk. At 4 am you might find them in front of you. And when it rains, they are on the opposite side under the canopies. Some girls with a few extra pounds seem to target the Indian market which means wearing Indian dresses and an overdose of lipstick and mascara. With a little imagination, I could recognize them as the older, chubbier version of the freelancers in 2008. Prosperity has a devastating effect on a girl's figure but it's nice that these girls can also earn a few bath.
To P4P, or not to P4P?
The first few days I stayed in the air-conditioned climate of my hotel, but after a few days I decided to hit the streets and have a chat with as many girls as possible on beach road to see if there were any rough diamonds to be discovered. The ongoing construction work made it a little bumpy walk, but after three hours of disappointing conversations I saw her. She was standing away from the mainstream freelancers on beach road and I even wasn't sure whether she was freelancing at all. She looked cute in her jeans shorts and Hello Kitty T-shirt. So I sat next to her and cautiously started a conversation. Her English was definitely better than all the other girls I talked to previously. So far so good.
After some talking with her I realized that was a little hungry and I invited her for dinner in the Pattaya beer garden. The atmosphere at the front was quite lively, so I was glad that we could continue to the other end near the sea side where it was nice and quiet. We had good food, a few drinks and fun about which side of the drink coasters to put up. Her artist name was Aoy and she had a wit and humor I hadn't experienced before with freelancers and bargirls. Gave her a tip for her company. Then the inevitable question came whether I would interested to spend more time with her. I answered 'no'. She looked disappointed and asked me why I was not interested in her. I said I recently had an appendicitis surgery and she immediately understood. "How long ago?" she asked. "Six days" I answered. "How", she asked. "Laparoscopy", I answered.
I felt sorry for her because she invested time in me without the desired result. However she did not seem offended. She got up and said she was going to use the toilet. She came back after 15 minutes. I paid the bill and started to walk back to my hotel But for reasons I did not understand at that moment she escorted me. While walking, she talked about her bad customer experiences she had over time. All cultural prejudices that exist came along. Indian customers smelled and wanted a group fuck. Arab customers disrespected her as a women and treated her as trade. And the western farangs that flooded Pattaya over time were old and overweight. It was, in her words, a question about how much humiliation she tolerated for how much money. To a certain extent I had to agree with her. I worked with Indians professionally in the early 2000's and I never could get used to their body odor, rude behavior and showing bling, especially when they were in a group. As a single person they were quite modest however and when I explained why their behavior was perceived rude by others, some started to get the point. It all starts with understanding the concept that social codes differ between cultures and that your culture is not necessarily superior, just different.
She followed me into my hotel room and I let her in because I had not only premonitions about what was going to happen, but I was also curious about her next move. I explained again that I could not have physical contact because of my surgery. "Let me handle this" she answered "I will be careful". She gently pushed me into the bathroom where she gave me a shower, carefully avoiding the wound patch. Then she put me on bed and now I found out what she had done during her 'toilet visit'. She visited a nearby pharmacy. Out of her handbag came some disinfectant, a sterile pad, silk adhesive tape and some dressing. She removed the old patch, gently disinfected the wound and surroundings, put a fresh pad on it, and finished it with some fresh dressing. Hmmm, what's happening? Is here a nurse or a doctor at work? Had she recognized me from the hospital? Could be possible. I was alone and only vaguely remembered the staff, let be visitors.
Then she went into shower herself. What came out was a stunner. Her hair was loose, perfect breasts that only twenty somethings have (she would pass the pencil test cum laude), a body to die for and a smile you only find in the land of smiles. "You cannot make love", she whispered, "so I will be very careful". Then I received the slowest, longest and most intense blowjob in many years, if not of my whole life. I did not count the time (must be half an hour or so) but the result was that I exploded with all the energy and frustration of the last week in one big orgasm. I died, but was alive again! An appendicitis wound can be painful if your belly or pelvis muscles contract during an orgasm, but fortunately your sensory system is partly shut down at that moment. And she wasn't finished because after cleanup I got a post orgasm BJ. This resulted in a hard one and she sweetly smiled "again"? Hell, who am I to say no. The second little death was less than the first one but still memorable. I fell asleep exhausted.
The next morning she had to leave early and I gave her a big tip (for Thai standards). I wanted to see her again. But I sensed that this might be the first and only time. Got her phone number and Line ID though, but nothing is easier to change or thrown away than a digital identity. When I flew home I realized that things always go different than planned in Thailand, and Pattaya is a city full of surprises. And on a cold, depressing and rainy day I started to write down what's written here.
Privacy.
Privacy has changed drastically compared to 2008. Walking street, Beach road and Soi 6 are now the most intense camera-surveilled locations on the planet. Not only by the authorities, but also by the hundreds of thousands visitors that visit Pattaya each year with their smartphones and GoPros. And they all record just about everything of Pattaya day and nightlife. Among them are vloggers who try to make a living from their footage. They see themselves as embedded filmmakers and record girls and customers, without their consent and permission, in close up with hidden cameras or zoom lenses. For them, Pattaya is a big open air theatre where little dramas, wrongdoing and intimate moments happen at every moment, ready to be exploited. They upload their footage to their monetized channels. Others do it for free to boost their ego. In any case, vlogs that invade someone's privacy have become the next Internet business model. And with a tendency of more bandwidth for lower prices this is probably going to increase.
Vlogging a beach road walk is a popular genre on the Internet and because of that every single beach road freelancer has been filmed multiple times by multiple vloggers, is exposed on multiple social media channels and re-uploaded multiple times by copycats. A beach road freelancer now needs a certain level of carelessness and no illusions about a future career. I think this was the reason why Aoy stood away from the mainstream freelancer queue. The P4P scene works at best with a little discretion and it doesn't help when vloggers make beach road (and walking street) videos wherein girls and customers are recognizable and share these with millions of viewers. It will be interesting to see how this will develop within the next years.
At the time I write this report, hundreds of other vlogs about Pattaya are posted on social media every day (not all P4P related of course). The result: chances are high that you will be recorded by someone and find yourself and your girlfriend starring on one of the many social media channels about Pattaya for the rest of your life and beyond. And all of your friends and spouses can ask: "Hey isn't that <your name here? But who in the f*ck was that girl he is holding hands with? I'm pretty sure I appear on a number of photos / videos as I noticed at least three blokes pointing their smartphones intentional or unintentional at us during that night.
Other observations.
During daytime there isn't much action on Beach road. It's Tourist Time (with a few exceptions). If you see sexy girls during daytime, they are probably Chinese tourists or Thai girls with their customer / sugar daddy.
About Pattaya micro-economics: I noticed that a whole chain of suppliers (street food vendors, fake jewelry merchants, flower sellers, fashion vendors, sneaker sellers and so on) depend on the Pattaya working girls. If the tourists disappear, this whole system will collapse.
Soi 6 is worth a visit late afternoon or early evening. You might try the 'spank walk' along Soi 6 where you will be dragged by the girls or spanked with anything varying from inflatable plastic hammers to foam tubes. I had a BBBJ on that first day with a girl called Po in Ruby Club (Soi 6, not sure anymore about her name). I already did not feel well that day so I limited myself to BJ. Excellent experience and I would have come back if I hadn't stayed in the hospital for my appendicitis.
The western expats I met in beer bars had some striking similarities. They might be tagged (in any combination) with one or more of the following properties:
- bald headed.
- overweight.
- 50+.
- 'lad' type Brit.
- tattooed.
- retired.
- ex-entrepreneur.
- hippie mentality.
- divorced or have a history of broken relationships.
- hardly speak any Thai (let be write).
- have cash of unknown origin.
- like to watch sports.
- vague (or even criminal) past.
- binge drinking.
And it seems that the Thai government wants to get rid of them by restricting visa rules, increase monitoring and setting a minimum income requirement (e. G. $60 K on a Thai bank account and a minimum income of $40 K per year, which is roughly 12 times the minimum wage and 4 times the average wage in Bangkok). This (and the strong Thai bath) already forced the lower class of expats out of Thailand, either back home or to cheaper neighboring countries. But for the girls this is interesting information because the remaining (and new) longstay farangs are now worth a minimum of 1. 8 million bath on a Thai bank account and a stable income of 1.2 million bath per year.
Pattaya bar girls are sweet and approachable as long as the money keeps flowing into their direction. But they can also be very jealous and causing trouble. Barfining another girl than the one you barfined on a previous occasion in the same establishment might trigger extreme reactions. (I call this Thai hypocrisy. That same bar girl will have served several customers when you get back, a fact you are expected to neglect). However avoid that a girl loses face. Losing face has severe social consequences for anyone in Asia. But in general the girls must be socially gifted because they can get on with virtually any person, many of which I would stay away from. Even for money.
That's all folks. Next year I might be back for a retry. But Pattaya has become a weird combination of fun and scrutiny. You can still exchange your excess of sperm and cash for pussy and GFE and live in a fantasy for a few weeks. However you might become a protagonist in someone else's vlog. Next time I probably choose a more quiet location, off the beaten tourist tracks. And in an era where an increasing number of males from countries with a poorly developed medical care and a messy prostitution business are filling Pattaya pussies, you better put on two condoms.
Banana Boi
01-29-20, 01:59
Thai Addict, thank you so much for the fun read. I never read long posts in their entirety but yours was easy to get through, not to mention entertaining and accurate. Sorry to hear about your ill timed surgery. Looking forward to your hopeful return next year.
The only part I have to disagree with is the losing face thing. The girls are more affected by losing money than face. I have never had a gogo girl openly get mad at me for taking another girl at hers or another bar. Still super friendly to me as long as they see the hopes of them getting a lady drink or me taking them out again down the road.
Mr Enternational
01-29-20, 02:35
The only part I have to disagree with is the losing face thing. The girls are more affected by losing money than face.I just went over that a couple of days ago with a brother in the AC thread. He wanted to know if the chicks in Philippines will be embarrassed the same as Thai chicks if you take another chick at the bar. Where are guys getting this idea from?
Mr Enternational
01-29-20, 02:43
My previous visit in Pattaya was in 2008. Today Walking Street looks more or less the same though a little less boisterous than I remember. Lucifer? Check! Still there. Ocean 10? Gone! (I loved to watch the dancers on the catwalk at the front). Flower sellers and street performers? Still there. And the funny thing is that it is still some of the same people. The little girl that did the contortionist shit is now a grown woman doing contortionist shit. I showed her a picture that I took back then of her and the guy that is always with her.
Thai Addict, thanks for the entertaining read. However, unless you are talking about a currency other than $USD or I have missed some shocking new income requirement, perhaps targeting Pattaya expats in particular, your numbers on the topic of expat/retirement income visa requirements are wildly inaccurate.
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And it seems that the Thai government wants to get rid of them by restricting visa rules, increase monitoring and setting a minimum income requirement (e. G. $60 K on a Thai bank account and a minimum income of $40 K per year, which is roughly 12 times the minimum wage and 4 times the average wage in Bangkok). This (and the strong Thai bath) already forced the lower class of expats out of Thailand, either back home or to cheaper neighboring countries. But for the girls this is interesting information because the remaining (and new) longstay farangs are now worth a minimum of 1. 8 million bath on a Thai bank account and a stable income of 1.2 million bath per year.
...As far as I know, the income requirement for a Thai retirement visa is still THB800,000 in a Thai bank account OR (not "and") THB65,000 per month in Foreign Transfers into your Thai bank account (THB780,000 per year) OR a combination of the two that roughly equals the same annual amount.
At today's exchange rate, that would come to approximately $27,000 USD in a Thai bank account OR (not "and") $2,200 USD per month in Foreign Transfers into your Thai bank account ($26,400 USD per year) OR a combination of the two that roughly equals the same annual amount.
JohnnieBravo
01-29-20, 05:35
Just a quick question. This is my last day in Pattaya. I was wondering if anyone knew where in Pattaya I may get a prostate message? I appreciate everyones help as always.
Stay safe,
JB.
Mr Enternational
01-29-20, 08:40
I was wondering if anyone knew where in Pattaya I may get a prostate message?JB, pretty soon someone is going to state the obvious.
First impressions of Walking Street and Beach road. Today there is no Thai girl without a smartphone and they seem to be more interested in their smartphone than in me. In 2008 I could make eye contact with every girl. Today I can pass a quarter of the girls without even noticing me.
Walking Street has been described extensively in many threads so there is little I can add. All major attractions are within the first 500 meter. It's fun to stroll along, watch people, eat and visit clubs. It covers virtually any taste and any budget.
Strolling along Beach road after 7 pm, you can choose from more than hundred freelancers, some of which you can have short time (ST) with for less than the barfine of a gogo girl. Most Beach road girls are within the 5 to 7 range with an occasional 8, and in their mid 20's to mid 30's with occasional 40+s.
Privacy has changed drastically compared to 2008. Walking street, Beach road and Soi 6 are now the most intense camera-surveilled locations on the planet. Not only by the authorities, but also by the hundreds of thousands visitors that visit Pattaya each year with their smartphones and GoPros. And they all record just about everything of Pattaya day and nightlife. Among them are vloggers who try to make a living from their footage. I'm pretty sure I appear on a number of photos / videos as I noticed at least three blokes pointing their smartphones intentional or unintentional at us during that night.
Soi 6 is worth a visit late afternoon or early evening. You might try the 'spank walk' along Soi 6 where you will be dragged by the girls or spanked with anything varying from inflatable plastic hammers to foam tubes. And in an era where an increasing number of males from countries with a poorly developed medical care and a messy prostitution business are filling Pattaya pussies, you better put on two condoms.A truly terrific post and read.
I recently visited Pattaya for 2 nights only and it was my first time.
I have to say it will be the one and only visit for me and you have perfectly set out why that will be. There are much more relaxed other options around Thailand. I found Walking Street unpleasant. I would genuinely have been nervous taking a girl from a bar as you are almost certain to be filmed somewhere by someone.
Soi 6 was far better fun for me. I didn't spend enough time doing the Beach road walk having read your post. Lovely story about the great and sensitive girl you found. That was a find.
I ended up using the soapies instead and I have to say the collection of 4 of them close to one another was excellent. All had very nice options but of course you don't get to talk to the girl and build any sort of connection before the fun. But I found the standard of ladies available much higher than in gogos or pool bars. It's more expensive but then perhaps that reflects the higher quality. I just didn't want to spend hours seeking out one stunner in 1000 bars.
I'm afraid for me, and of course we all differ in our tastes (which is good), the ability to go to a great beach, and the far more relaxed areas in say Koh Samui, and even Phuket (outside of Patong Beach) are better options than Pattaya. Walking street would be a last resort for me and only if the soapies were not open!
Didn't know about the expat restrictions and if they come to fruition in a more structured way I agree it will kill the resort.
Hope you post again after your next trip as this report was a great read. Good luck with the recovery from the op!
Banana Boi
01-29-20, 09:50
I found Walking Street unpleasant. I would genuinely have been nervous taking a girl from a bar as you are almost certain to be filmed somewhere by someone.<snip>
But I found the standard of ladies available much higher than in gogos or pool bars. It's more expensive but then perhaps that reflects the higher quality<snip>
the ability to go to a great beach, and the far more relaxed areas in say Koh Samui, and even Phuket (outside of Patong Beach) are better options than Pattaya. Walking street would be a last resort for me and only if the soapies were not open!If you don't want to be seen with a girl on Walking Street you can always just barfine her then have her meet you at a hotel. Gogo girls at the bars I discuss on here aren't runners so you don't have to worry about her not showing up. Oddly you think Soi 6 has no cameras? You see all those cars that drive down Soi 6. You don't think the guys in the cars are not filming the girls and you?
Sure for privacy a soapie may give you more privacy but guys film in those as well. We all have different tastes but you are the first person I know who preferred the soapie girls over top looking gogo girls in Pattaya. May I ask which gogo bars you went to?
No one is going to Pattaya for a beach. If I wanted a beach there are much better destinations in the world than Thailand.
Christian G
01-29-20, 10:49
Pattaya bar girls are sweet and approachable as long as the money keeps flowing into their direction. But they can also be very jealous and causing trouble. Barfining another girl than the one you barfined on a previous occasion in the same establishment might trigger extreme reactions. Never had these problems in 14 years of holidays in Thailand. In my experiences jealousy and problems are often due to customers' attitudes towards girls, many guys looking alot for GFE and spend alot of time with the girl therefore the girl thinks she has found a possible sponsor. Let your girls know that you are a butterfly and save jealousy problem. I remember that years ago at the stalls there were t-shirts with the writing "find, fuck, forget" one of the best rule in Pattaya. LOL.
Christian G
01-29-20, 11:27
Privacy has changed drastically compared to 2008. Walking street, Beach road and Soi 6 are now the most intense camera-surveilled locations on the planet. Not only by the authorities, but also by the hundreds of thousands visitors that visit Pattaya each year with their smartphones and GoPros. And they all record just about everything of Pattaya day and nightlife. Among them are vloggers who try to make a living from their footage. They see themselves as embedded filmmakers and record girls and customers, without their consent and permission, in close up with hidden cameras or zoom lenses. For them, Pattaya is a big open air theatre where little dramas, wrongdoing and intimate moments happen at every moment, ready to be exploited. They upload their footage to their monetized channels. Others do it for free to boost their ego. In any case, vlogs that invade someone's privacy have become the next Internet business model. And with a tendency of more bandwidth for lower prices this is probably going to increase.
I found Walking Street unpleasant. I would genuinely have been nervous taking a girl from a bar as you are almost certain to be filmed somewhere by someone.We talked about this not long ago in the Thai section, there are no safe places, there are idiots everywhere with hidden cameras. If you are too worried about this Pattaya is probably not the place for you. Anyway for avoid to be caught on a video with your conquest just order a girl with Thaifriendly, tinder, badoo, wechat, etc give her your hotel address and room number and she will come straight to your room.
Thai Addict
01-29-20, 13:12
Hi guys,
Thank you for reading and commenting my post. Just a few comments to your comments:
Eih Tooms: The figures I give are correct but there are many types of visa and there is much confusion on the Internet. My figures came straight from the Thai embassy website and are still valid. My example applied to a Non-Immigrant Visa Category "O-X" (long stay). This type of visa applies to applicants aged 50+ to stay in Thailand for a period of maximum 10 year (aka retirement visa). There are lots of other visas. Perhaps you refer to a "O-A" (1 year stay) visa for 50+ applicants? These apply to the financial data you mentioned.
A 50+ retiree applies for a different visa than a 20+ digital nomad. Both have their own challenges. If this forum allows it, the link should be visible below. If not go to thaiembdc dot org, choose your country of origin and look for the "O-X" or "O-A" visa.
O-X visa https://thaiembdc.org/non-immigrant-visa-category-o-x-long-stay/.
The only reason I mentioned this example was to illustrate that there is a connection between your type of visa and your financial wealth. Maybe I should not have mentioned this as this forum is about mongering, not about visas.
Banana Boi: Losing face is a complex social construct in Asia and greatly differs country to country, from city to city and even from bar to bar. I witnessed a catfight between two girls on Soi 6 and when I asked what started the fight they told me that it was about a customer that dumped one girl in favor of another (probably in a rude way). But I agree there is not much difference anymore between losing money and losing face for a bar girl. There are a lot rude westerners around in Pattaya. They are not, what I would call, a representation of the western guy that most Thai girls admire.
PayForIt: Thanks for your comments and additions. But even Koh Samui now has webcams that run 24/7. Just google for "The real Samui webcam".
At Banana Boi & Christian G: Of course I could use TF, TC, WeChat, Badoo, Smoocie and many others to choose a girl from a photo but as anywhere in the world with these kind of services YMMV. I like to see and talk to the girls. By the way, YMMV comes from both sides as one BR girl told me she was once thinking she was dating a white guy but when she called she heard a voice with a heavy African accent. She cancelled the deal.
Christian G & PayForIt: You're absolutely right. Visiting WS, BR and Soi 6 these days you need to have a kind of shamelessness, a virtue that not everyone can afford (and again: no illusions about any future career in a representative or public function).
When hundreds of thousands visitors are visiting Pattaya every year, the chances that there are creeps with cameras around is 100%. But it will become an interesting situation in the future, all those millions of hours of video that potentially contain a faux-pas of anyone that ever visited Pattaya, being in the hands of less than a handful tech companies.
Banana Boi
01-29-20, 23:03
My example applied to a Non-Immigrant Visa Category "O-X" (long stay). This type of visa applies to applicants aged 50+ to stay in Thailand for a period of maximum 10 year (aka retirement visa). There are lots of other visas. Perhaps you refer to a "O-A" (1 year stay) visa for 50+ applicants? <snip>
Banana Boi: Losing face is a complex social construct in Asia and greatly differs country to country, from city to city and even from bar to bar. I witnessed a catfight between two girls on Soi 6 and when I asked what started the fight they told me that it was about a customer that dumped one girl in favor of another (probably in a rude way). But I agree there is not much difference anymore between losing money and losing face for a bar girl. <snip>
At Banana Boi & Christian G: Of course I could use TF, TC, WeChat, Badoo, Smoocie and many others to choose a girl from a photo but as anywhere in the world with these kind of services YMMV. I like to see and talk to the girls. Awesome. Thanks so much for opening my eyes to an O-X Visa. Will keep it in mind down the road. No idea why guys would go for an O-A Visa when there is an O-X Visa around.
I think the 2 guys who live in Pattaya, Mr. E and I, both say there is no such thing as losing face in Pattaya. Interested on LittleBigMan's and other expats in Pattaya thoughts on this. I was told all about losing face before I came to Thailand the first time. Didn't take me long at all to figure out there is no such thing. Sure there can be fights between girls over customers but trust me it has zero chance that it's a result of losing face rather than losing cash. It's akin to 2 strippers in an American strip club who fight because a regular customer of a girl got a lap dance from a second girl. I never read about losing face in American sex forums. The fight was about the $400 USD girl 1 lost and certainly not about losing face.
I have never used any online sites to meet girls. I see absolutely no reason to use them in Thailand when there are girls everywhere. Like yourself I need to see and talk to the girl in person too.
If you don't want to be seen with a girl on Walking Street you can always just barfine her then have her meet you at a hotel. Gogo girls at the bars I discuss on here aren't runners so you don't have to worry about her not showing up. Oddly you think Soi 6 has no cameras? You see all those cars that drive down Soi 6. You don't think the guys in the cars are not filming the girls and you?
Sure for privacy a soapie may give you more privacy but guys film in those as well. We all have different tastes but you are the first person I know who preferred the soapie girls over top looking gogo girls in Pattaya. May I ask which gogo bars you went to?
No one is going to Pattaya for a beach. If I wanted a beach there are much better destinations in the world than Thailand.Firstly before I respond to your points, and appreciating this is not the Phnom Penh thread, I have to thank you for suggesting it for my trip. I took you up on it, went, and I preferred it to Bangkok and Pattaya though I had a fabulous night in pool bar Hilary on Soi 4 in BKK and after it. Back to Pattaya. I couldn't start to tell you the names of the all the gogos I tried in WS but I'the suggest 60% of them! I'm admittedly very picky. I also realised this trip that gogo bars are not really for me. If I am picking out of LU without any real discussion or chemistry but just looks I prefer the soapies. The best gogo for me was the one with the Russian girls inside and out. Perhaps that just reflects my taste in looks. But the 2 girls I talked to in their were very cold. Very much like the type in FKKs whose first question is "do you want to take me to the room? (I know you are a fan of the FKKs like me). I will confess to this. Even as a seasoned monger in many jurisdictions across the World you really need to "warm" to WS and I just didn't. Too much of a circus for me. I also did not like mongering whilst families and children were walking the street (what are their parents thinking? I have no doubt the Soi 6 cameras were out. But it just felt far less bling and hurried to me. More like old world BKK and even a bit Soi Cowboy like. I think if I had 7 nights in WS I'the get to know some girls and would relax more. But I know I'll never get to that as I prefer other locations. I thought the Soapie options were really very good. I found it hard to pick because of good quality and I repeat I'm picky and for example have struggles in Annies before now in BKK. Not so in Patt. I didn't love the area around Soi 6 but the street itself was fine. I stayed at Royal Cliff Beach. Lovely 5 star and only 200 by moped but wait for it - 650 bhat per guest and they lock the side entrance so you do have to take the girl to reception. Good for security but a cost to factor in. Perhaps this also helped me prefer the soapies. I fully accept you don't go to Patt for the beach but I thought generally the area was quite run down. No more so than Soi 2 /4 BKK I suppose but it all felt a bit cheap / tacky to me. Sorry but just my 2 cents. Maybe I built it up too much in my mind. The Soapie options were excellent, full, reasonable and with good options for my liking.
Hi guys,
Thank you for reading and commenting my post. Just a few comments to your comments:
Eih Tooms: The figures I give are correct but there are many types of visa and there is much confusion on the Internet. My figures came straight from the Thai embassy website and are still valid. My example applied to a Non-Immigrant Visa Category "O-X" (long stay). This type of visa applies to applicants aged 50+ to stay in Thailand for a period of maximum 10 year (aka retirement visa). There are lots of other visas. Perhaps you refer to a "O-A" (1 year stay) visa for 50+ applicants? These apply to the financial data you mentioned.
A 50+ retiree applies for a different visa than a 20+ digital nomad. Both have their own challenges. If this forum allows it, the link should be visible below. If not go to thaiembdc dot org, choose your country of origin and look for the "O-X" or "O-A" visa.
O-X visa https://thaiembdc.org/non-immigrant-visa-category-o-x-long-stay/.
The only reason I mentioned this example was to illustrate that there is a connection between your type of visa and your financial wealth.
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.Oh, I see. Yes, there are much more expensive retirement visas one can apply for than the O-A visa the vast majority of expats choose. I have never met anyone with an O-X visa since it seems only designed to require a much higher outlay of money (3 million baht in a Thai bank account instead of 800,000, for starters) in exchange for the minor convenience of not needing to spend a few hours for one day in Immigration to renew it each year. Apparently it must be renewed every 5 years for a maximum of 10 years? Unclear to me without researching any deeper.
Thankfully, the O-X visa is not required of anyone wanting to retire in Thailand that I am aware.
I'm on my second O-A Non-Immigrant Visa. I showed the embassy back home that I was getting pension, no need to deposit money in a Thai Bank. Sadly, this will be my last O-A. There a new Health Insurance requirement for retirement Visas. These insurance, do NOT cover per-existing conditions, (of course,) so it; s totally useless to me. The also want the full 12 month premium paid in full, which is anywhere from ฿24 k to ฿94 k+ I'll be going back to the 6 month multiple entry tourist visa when I return.
LittleBigMan
01-30-20, 16:19
Awesome. Thanks so much for opening my eyes to an O-X Visa. Will keep it in mind down the road. No idea why guys would go for an O-A Visa when there is an O-X Visa around.
I think the 2 guys who live in Pattaya, Mr. E and I, both say there is no such thing as losing face in Pattaya. Interested on LittleBigMan's and other expats in Pattaya thoughts on this. I was told all about losing face before I came to Thailand the first time. Didn't take me long at all to figure out there is no such thing. Sure there can be fights between girls over customers but trust me it has zero chance that it's a result of losing face rather than losing cash. It's akin to 2 strippers in an American strip club who fight because a regular customer of a girl got a lap dance from a second girl. I never read about losing face in American sex forums. The fight was about the $400 USD girl 1 lost and certainly not about losing face.
I have never used any online sites to meet girls. I see absolutely no reason to use them in Thailand when there are girls everywhere. Like yourself I need to see and talk to the girl in person too.I agree with many things but I differ on " loss of face " I'm no world traveler like you and Mr. E, and I wish it didn't exist but it does and does in many forms that will determine whether you notice it or not?
I've found Thailand one of the most intense or deep in loss of face as I've seen anywhere I've been on a personal level I came within an inch of losing my life due to loss of face and experience a number of incident with bar girls. In my hay day a few years back it was like I was working on a Master's degree the " loss of face " comes in many forms many you don't see like fighting but it is there so many it goes unnoticed daily.
But at the same time, I would agree it is my personality or how I come across to the girls. That might be the reason you and Mr. E, doesn't feel it exist? Being a butterfly or them knowing exactly what you are modes them as to how they come across. Yes in our this conversation we are talking about the loss of money first but if they feel a long term goal is being taken you might see a fight I've seen a number.
I hear this sister stuff a lot here but my generalization Thais don't have friends especially long term ones. Nearly in each case one day they are tight as a lesbian the next they are gone you never get a full explanation they don't like confrontation so backstabbing is their main weapon. Loss of face sadly it exists if you don't see it consider yourself doing things right.
Mr Enternational
01-30-20, 19:53
Loss of face sadly it exists if you don't see it consider yourself doing things right.I will definitely say it exists in everyday life. My gripe is foreigners believing a Short Time chick you picked up out of the bar will experience it if you go back and choose another one the next day. How can she have loss of face for you picking someone else, but not have loss of face due to the fact that she is even a hooker?
I'm on my second O-A Non-Immigrant Visa. I showed the embassy back home that I was getting pension, no need to deposit money in a Thai Bank. Sadly, this will be my last O-A. There a new Health Insurance requirement for retirement Visas. These insurance, do NOT cover per-existing conditions, (of course,) so it; s totally useless to me. The also want the full 12 month premium paid in full, which is anywhere from ฿24 k to ฿94 k+ I'll be going back to the 6 month multiple entry tourist visa when I return.I am sure you have looked into it thoroughly. However, just in case, I wanted to mention I have now heard from 2 expats that Immigration is waving the health insurance requirement for those who already had an O-A retirement visa before the insurance requirement was imposed. We are supposedly "grandfathered in", as they say.
I don't want to give you or anyone else in the same situation false hope about this. The last time I renewed mine was in May 2019, before the insurance requirement was added to the list. So I will not know from first hand personal experience about this "grandfathered in" deal until I renew again this coming May. I am only passing along what a couple of other expats who renewed very recently told me. Perhaps you can get a confirmation of it with a personal visit to Immigration before you throw in the towel entirely.
I already have health insurance from a provider in Thailand, Pacific Cross. I have had health insurance since I moved here several years ago.. But, of course, I never mentioned it or showed proof of it at Immigration because I didn't need to before. My plan is to bring the documentation of it to Immigration at my next renewal but only give it to them if they ask for it or they tell me outright it is necessary. I want to test this "grandfathered in" rumor. If I am "grandfathered in", I'd prefer they just carry on without requiring it of me rather than get in the habit of expecting it.
Mr Enternational
01-30-20, 22:15
I am sure you have looked into it thoroughly. However, just in case, I wanted to mention I have now heard from 2 expats that Immigration is waving the health insurance requirement for those who already had an O-A retirement visa before the insurance requirement was imposed. We are supposedly "grandfathered in", as they say.I have a buddy that renewed his the other day:
Just FYI. Today I went to Immigration to apply for my 1 year retirement visa. I had a 90 day visa previously. I took all the required documents they requested and everything went smooth and easy. I pick my Visa up tomorrow. Guys you can do this stuff yourself as long as you meet the requirements. Don't give your money to someone to do something you can do. Try it yourself. 14,000 bt. Man, that's anywhere between 10 to 14 shortimes you could be enjoying. For * I know it's more like 6 or 7 because he tip BIGGGGGGGG! But that a different story. Anyway, I just wanted to share that visa experience with you guys.
I had an NoN immigrant O which requires no health insurance unlike the NoN immigrant O-A Visa that do require insurance. I did the 65 k a month option. I use the Jomtien office. They want you to use the office within the area you're living.
Yes. They wanted to see the source of your income. Mine was S. S and Military pension. Those documents are easy to get. Now on the bank documents it will have how the money got to ThIaland. Like the bank name in the states.
As far as the money source papers. S. S. And Military. They didn't spend very much time looking at those compared to looking for the monthly deposits on the bank statement.
I am thinking of using this bus service from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya as it seems to leave every 30 minutes.
http://airportpattayabus.com/
However, they don't drop off at hotel or even on beach road but rather in the city, 3-4 kms from beach road.
Has anyone used their service in the past. Are they reliable and good?
And secondly how much one has to pay from where they drop you off to soi 8 on beach road? Hopefully it won't be much of a haggle and hassle.
LittleBigMan
01-31-20, 03:25
I will definitely say it exists in everyday life. My gripe is foreigners believing a Short Time chick you picked up out of the bar will experience it if you go back and choose another one the next day. How can she have loss of face for you picking someone else, but not have loss of face due to the fact that she is even a hooker?Yes, guys like you and BB has a particular way from my reading majority including myself don't and it isn't about the game? Once they know you are soft that is all it takes. Now you know I'm not a handsome man and if you didn't know I got no game but in my hay day now being a tour guy for my cousins whenever they are in town seem to have seen it all when it comes to the girl's behavior.
My cousins are those who spend a lot because they have it and don't miss it when they do. In Vegas / Macau they are considered to be Whales although they pay the majority of the time the going rate they have no problem BF girls they want at GoGos along with their friends and paying them well for days if they like them. If you don't make things clear that is when the shit hits the fan. It has happened to me a number of times in the past I got stories you wouldn't believe when I think back I at times cherish and smile?
I'm on my second O-A Non-Immigrant Visa. I showed the embassy back home that I was getting pension, no need to deposit money in a Thai Bank. Sadly, this will be my last O-A. There a new Health Insurance requirement for retirement Visas. These insurance, do NOT cover per-existing conditions, (of course,) so it; s totally useless to me. The also want the full 12 month premium paid in full, which is anywhere from ฿24 k to ฿94 k+ I'll be going back to the 6 month multiple entry tourist visa when I return.Just let your non o-a expire, prepare everything for new non-o application incl financials, leave the country and come back with 30 day waiver, and go to immigration to apply non-o with all docs prepared.
Non-o does not have the insurance requirement at least for now.
DzikaBomba
01-31-20, 17:51
I am thinking of using this bus service from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya as it seems to leave every 30 minutes.
http://airportpattayabus.com/
However, they don't drop off at hotel or even on beach road but rather in the city, 3-4 kms from beach road.
Has anyone used their service in the past. Are they reliable and good?
And secondly how much one has to pay from where they drop you off to soi 8 on beach road? Hopefully it won't be much of a haggle and hassle.I have used the Bus on my last trip in October. The Cost is 130 THB and I paid 50 THB also for my big suitcase. They stop at 3 Stops at Sukhumvit Rd. In Pattaya. After 90 min. Drive I leaved the Bus at the second Stop and then took a Motorbiketaxi, which are waiting outside. I negotiated 120 THB from the Bus Stop to my Hotel in Soi Buakhao with my big suitcase on my knees.
Everything was OK. Would do it again. When there is demand they also leave the Airport more frequently than every 30 min.
I am thinking of using this bus service from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya as it seems to leave every 30 minutes.
http://airportpattayabus.com/
However, they don't drop off at hotel or even on beach road but rather in the city, 3-4 kms from beach road.
Has anyone used their service in the past. Are they reliable and good?
And secondly how much one has to pay from where they drop you off to soi 8 on beach road? Hopefully it won't be much of a haggle and hassle.My last time I was going to take the bus, ended up splitting a taxi with someone else waiting. Taken right to my hotel, no hassle, comfy, 600 baht each included the tip.
SoberHans69
01-31-20, 18:52
I'd recommend the Bell Bus to anyone. Door to door service and a lot cheaper than a taxi.
If you prefer a taxi though, this company only charges 1000 from main airport in BKK to Pattaya.
http://www.cherrytaxiservice.com/
Crocodilexp
01-31-20, 19:18
I am thinking of using this bus service from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya as it seems to leave every 30 minutes.
http://airportpattayabus.com/
However, they don't drop off at hotel or even on beach road but rather in the city, 3-4 kms from beach road.
Has anyone used their service in the past. Are they reliable and good?
It's reliable, clean and quick for a bus. One downside is that sometimes it fills up early and you may need to wait for up to an hour for the next bus. Stops at North / Central / South Pattaya roads, 2-3 km from the beach (walking distance, unless you have a big bag). The bus terminates at a small station near Jomtien, on Thappraya Rd just north of the Thep Prasit Rd intersection. It's actually quicker and more convenient than regular Bangkok-Pattaya buses from Ekkamai, which only stop on the North Pattaya road, farther away from most of the city.
And secondly how much one has to pay from where they drop you off to soi 8 on beach road? Hopefully it won't be much of a haggle and hassle.
For Soi 8, best to get off at Central Road (Pattaya Klang). Hiring a motorbike taxi or a songteaw down to the beach should be 100 baht or so if you haggle successfully or 10 baht if hail get a shared one (not sure if they run). If you take the bus all the way down to the terminal at Jomtien, you can get back to soi 8 for 10+10 baht on shared songteaws (with a change in South Pattaya), but that takes a bit longer.
Christian G
01-31-20, 19:48
I am thinking of using this bus service from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya as it seems to leave every 30 minutes.
http://airportpattayabus.com/
However, they don't drop off at hotel or even on beach road but rather in the city, 3-4 kms from beach road.
Has anyone used their service in the past. Are they reliable and good?.Yes they are good, but you can also use bell travel https://belltravelservice.com/.
Bus from airport to Pattaya North bus station then minivan to your hotel. Booking online only, everything included.
Thanks for the useful info. I always take taxi but this time the flight is way too early so I want to take it easy. Hopefully I will find hotel toom available at 9 am with some extra payment. I agree that Bell service is very good, but they don't start till 8. 30 AM which is 2 hours extra for me. The airport bus is supposed to be every 30 minutes.
However, the 1000 be taxi seems pretty good too. If I could find someone to split with, I would so in a hear beat.
I am thinking of using this bus service from Suvarnabhumi airport to Pattaya as it seems to leave every 30 minutes.
http://airportpattayabus.com/I use this bus all the time. The best way is to take it all the way to the end (Jomtien) and then take a baht bus into Pattaya for 10 baht. It will take you down second road in Pattaya or beach road in Jomtien if you go the other way. It does help if you know your way around or at least what soi you are going to.
SoberHans69
02-01-20, 14:54
There's a thread on Pattaya Addicts stating that some girls are trying to charge 1500 on Soi 6 now, anyone on here been asked for that.
1000 is the maximum for me, when you add on a drink for you and the girl and barfine, Soi 6 isn't cheap anymore, especially considering the quality of most of the girls.
The Night.
I use this bus all the time. The best way is to take it all the way to the end (Jomtien) and then take a baht bus into Pattaya for 10 baht. It will take you down second road in Pattaya or beach road in Jomtien if you go the other way. It does help if you know your way around or at least what soi you are going to.Thanks for this. It does seem to be the best and most economical option considering that I will be very early anyways and may need to kill some time before reaching hotel so early in the morning. Appreciate the tip.
I am scheduled to arrive in less than 2 weeks and am really wondering what to do. All tickets, reservations, bookings are in place, I will lose $500 if I cancel or postpone. On the other hand, Thailand is still not banning the Chinese entry so risk is still increasing. One infected tourist kisses a working girl who spreads it to few mongers who in turn. You know what I mean.
So what do you advise?
And how are things in Pattaya at the moment? Are the beach road girls still congregating in large numbers or are we beginning to see drastic drop in numbers and increase in face masks on beach road and walking street?
Banana Boi
02-02-20, 22:02
increase in face masks on beach road and walking street?Face masks may help the look of many Pattaya girls.
There's a thread on Pattaya Addicts stating that some girls are trying to charge 1500 on Soi 6 now, anyone on here been asked for that.
1000 is the maximum for me, when you add on a drink for you and the girl and barfine, Soi 6 isn't cheap anymore, especially considering the quality of most of the girls.
The Night.Since the Nightwish Group opened up their 15 bars or so bars price creep along this soi 6 have gotten stupid 1500 + 400 + 180 Ld, one can find much better looking girls in a German FKK and Cheaper these days, Why spend the money on the fare to BKK and endure 12 hour flight each way when one can spend the fare on a few girls in a German FKK.
I am scheduled to arrive in less than 2 weeks and am really wondering what to do. All tickets, reservations, bookings are in place, I will lose $500 if I cancel or postpone. On the other hand, Thailand is still not banning the Chinese entry so risk is still increasing. One infected tourist kisses a working girl who spreads it to few mongers who in turn. You know what I mean.
So what do you advise?
And how are things in Pattaya at the moment? Are the beach road girls still congregating in large numbers or are we beginning to see drastic drop in numbers and increase in face masks on beach road and walking street?I just got back from 2 days and 2 nights in Pattaya. My general impressions were little changed from my other recent visits. I still saw a Chinese tour group passing through Walking Street. But maybe not as many as before. Contrary to what has been posted here of late, I actually saw several more lookers on Soi 6 and, very surprisingly, on Beach Road than I have in the past. Could it be that Nightwish Group or whatever and the rumored higher asking price of 1500 baht from the girls on Soi 6 has upgraded the quality here and there? I have no idea.
However, the results for what I require were essentially the same in Pattaya as always recently; Not one girl in the half dozen or so better looking ones I approached, chatted with and bought drinks for in either the Walking Street or Soi 6 bars agreed to bareback full service with me. Consequently, there was very little of a True GFE/Real Sex nature to be had for me with the girls I would want to have it with in Pattaya. More or less the same as my other visits in the past several years. I did get a decent BBBJ+CIM+Swallow from a very hot little spinner I met on Soi 6. Paid the 500 baht barfine at midnight and took her to my room for it.Then she stayed all night afterwards for 2,000 baht to her. Yep, she said absolutely positively NO to bareback full service with me, too. LOL.
Other than that one girl and oral experience, there was zip of True GFE/Real Sex for me for those two days and nights. Contrast that with three new girls in a row from go-go bars, beer bars and freelancing who agreed upfront to bareback full service with me with little hassle and inconsequential extra cost in Bangkok less than a week before. And every one of them was better looking than the "lookers" I approached and got refused bareback with in Pattaya.
But a lot can happen in the next 2 weeks or so while this coronavirus hysteria continues to develop. As far as the actual risk to you possibly getting a headache and mild fever for a couple of days, I mean. Overall, I would say on the sexual front if you are the kind of punter who is happy to accept covered almost everything and willing to pay the girl's going rate you should have no problem getting all the P4P you want from virtually any girl you want in Pattaya two weeks from now. And Bangkok and everywhere else in Thailand for that matter. As always.
Banana Boi
02-03-20, 06:41
Since the Nightwish Group opened up their 15 bars or so bars price creep along this soi 6 have gotten stupid 1500 + 400 + 180 Ld, one can find much better looking girls in a German FKK and Cheaper these days, Why spend the money on the fare to BKK and endure 12 hour flight each way when one can spend the fare on a few girls in a German FKK.People usually come to Thailand because they prefer Asians over Romanians. You and I both know that the Asian FKK girls are old and ugly. Since 2011 only met one Asian girl, a young firecracker Vietnamese girl who lived in Germany at GT Bruggen. No one on the Thailand forum says Thailand is better than FKK clubs. However, FKK clubs are also on the decline since the new laws around 2 years ago with only Romanians now and girls wanting 3500 baht for 30 or 60 minutes if you want DFK and BBBJ, both a must for me. FKK clubs also have a 1700 to 2700 baht entry fee for most FKK clubs and you also need to rent a car in NRW so I wouldn't exactly call FKK clubs cheaper at all.
...Not one girl in the half dozen or so better looking ones I approached, chatted with and bought drinks for in either the Walking Street or Soi 6 bars agreed to bareback full service with me...On this topic, I don't indulge myself much on BBFS, but I do like to pursue eye candy girls. I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and I met 3 girls during that week, who would qualify as eye candy.
I also managed to get bareback from all 3. However, I never discuss it up front. If I like a girl, I tend to repeat with her and if the mood strikes me, I then ask for BBFS. Plus I am a generous tipper, which tends to sway the outcome.
BTW, thanks for the heads up on the Viet chicks on soi 4 in Bangkok. I like them a lot as they tend to be eye candy. I went looking for them on soi 4 and met one who qualified as eye candy. I pretty much wifed up with her for the 5 days I spent in Bangkok.
People usually come to Thailand because they prefer Asians over Romanians.
However, FKK clubs are also on the decline since the new laws around 2 years ago with only Romanians now and girls wanting 3500 baht for 30 or 60 minutes if you want DFK and BBBJ, both a must for me...And there are some mongers, who like me, like both.
You are indeed correct that unofficial prices have gone up, if one wants all the goodies. I remember when I first went to Germany in 2006,50 Euros for a 30 min session was the norm. Now, in 2020, it is still officially 50 Euros, and that's becoming a joke. Some girls have fled elsewhere where they can earn more, like in Switzerland, and the few who remains in the German FKKs require more money for a decent session, I. E something other than a wambam-thankyou-mam.
I myself have been offering 100 Euros per session, for a few years now. But I do specify my desired services ahead of time. It's worked fine for me so far.
On this topic, I don't indulge myself much on BBFS, but I do like to pursue eye candy girls. I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and I met 3 girls during that week, who would qualify as eye candy.
I also managed to get bareback from all 3. However, I never discuss it up front. If I like a girl, I tend to repeat with her and if the mood strikes me, I then ask for BBFS. Plus I am a generous tipper, which tends to sway the outcome.
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Yes, I believe the "go with the flow" and repeat sessions approach has a much higher success rate for this than going for an upfront agreement with a newly met girl. Going for an upfront agreement to provide BBFS+CIP from a newly met Thai P4P girl of above average attractiveness is a much heavier lift in almost every way, to the point where I would argue it is in an entirely different world of mongering than what most punters even attempt.
Still, "going with the flow" and repeat sessions are not nearly as necessary for me in Bangkok and I can usually get that upfront agreement from a 2nd or 3rd newly approached girl on a given night, unlike in Pattaya. Going 0 for 4 or even 5 in a night is rare but can happen. That often means I will get too many Yes replies to handle over the next couple of days. It tends to occur in waves that way.
So I don't usually gamble with the "go with the flow" approach in Bangkok. Especially since a NO to either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM in the room brings any possible sex with a finish for me to a screetching halt. And I will then have no reasonable standing to reduce or deny full payment to the girl. The downside to rolling the dice and not making my point is too great over time. And in Pattaya I am not there long enough to entertain the idea of repeating a girl for a second session on the off chance that she might then agree to one of the only two things that will produce a finish for me. I have brought it up again on a second encounter with the same girl and given some a chance to change their reply if they want a repeat with me and my money. To no noticeable improved result. LOL.
Glad to hear things worked out well for you with the Vietnamese girl. I did see a lot more of them standing on Soi 4 in front of Hillary 1 Bar again last night. So Goatscrot's mention that they might have gone missing for their Tet (Chinese New Year) week was probably correct.
Member #4698
02-03-20, 13:34
I don't indulge myself much on BBFS, but I do like to pursue eye candy girls. I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and I met 3 girls during that week, who would qualify as eye candy.
I also managed to get bareback from all 3. However, I never discuss it up front. If I like a girl, I tend to repeat with her and if the mood strikes me, I then ask for BBFS. Plus I am a generous tipper, which tends to sway the outcome.This is very similar to my approach. It just came to me naturally because I like the girls and I stuck with it because it works. So, I never request bareback like some others and that is not to denigrate their alternative methods since it seems to work for them, but roughly 25% of my girls leave it up to me in the bedroom on the 1st night and that percentage rises with repeat sessions. I should add that every once in a while I prefer to wear something with certain girls although I have let passion rule over reason more than I care to recall. Ha Ha.
BTW, thanks for the heads up on the Viet chicks on soi 4 in Bangkok. I like them a lot as they tend to be eye candy. I went looking for them on soi 4 and met one who qualified as eye candy. I pretty much wifed up with her for the 5 days I spent in Bangkok.Yeah, this sounds interesting. I have never seen these Viet chicks on previous visits. Guess I will have to wander down Soi 4 and see what's up.
Since the Nightwish Group opened up their 15 bars or so bars price creep along this soi 6 have gotten stupid 1500 + 400 + 180 Ld, one can find much better looking girls in a German FKK and Cheaper these days, Why spend the money on the fare to BKK and endure 12 hour flight each way when one can spend the fare on a few girls in a German FKK.Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.
I just got back from 2 days and 2 nights in Pattaya. My general impressions were little changed from my other recent visits. I still saw a Chinese tour group passing through Walking Street. But maybe not as many as before. Contrary to what has been posted here of late, I actually saw several more lookers on Soi 6 and, very surprisingly, on Beach Road than I have in the past. Could it be that Nightwish Group or whatever and the rumored higher asking price of 1500 baht from the girls on Soi 6 has upgraded the quality here and there? I have no idea.
However, the results for what I require were essentially the same in Pattaya as always recently; Not one girl in the half dozen or so better looking ones I approached, chatted with and bought drinks for in either the Walking Street or Soi 6 bars agreed to bareback full service with me. Consequently, there was very little of a True GFE/Real Sex nature to be had for me with the girls I would want to have it with in Pattaya. More or less the same as my other visits in the past several years. I did get a decent BBBJ+CIM+Swallow from a very hot little spinner I met on Soi 6. Paid the 500 baht barfine at midnight and took her to my room for it.Then she stayed all night afterwards for 2,000 baht to her. Yep, she said absolutely positively NO to bareback full service with me, too. LOL.
Other than that one girl and oral experience, there was zip of True GFE/Real Sex for me for those two days and nights. Contrast that with three new girls in a row from go-go bars, beer bars and freelancing who agreed upfront to bareback full service with me with little hassle and inconsequential extra cost in Bangkok less than a week before. And every one of them was better looking than the "lookers" I approached and got refused bareback with in Pattaya.Thank you for the detailed response.
I really wish that those Chinese groups disappear for next 2-3 months, I really do. One of the infected person mongering in Pattaya for 2-3 days will create a catastrophe for all of us.
Banana Boi
02-03-20, 22:23
Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.Don't forget the other big group emerging on Soi 6 which are owned by the Chinese. You may want to avoid those as well as they are charging gogo bar rates.
I'm curious to see how this plays out on Soi 6. imo if Mr. Flowers and the Nightwish Group has raised the prices the others will likely soon follow suit. Thailand is the land of monkey see monkey do.
Maybe 90% of the guys who go to Soi 6 do so because they are budget conscious and find good to excellent service for a good price. Just can't see how over 95% of the girls on Soi 6 are worth 1500 baht + 350-400 barfine. If lady drinks on Soi 6 are 180 baht I have no clue how any of these girls are going to make money. Why buy a Soi 6 girl a lady drink when gogo bar lady drinks are about the same price for a girl WAY better looking imo.
LittleBigMan
02-03-20, 23:55
Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.NW Group Soi 6, Mods, Sex in the City, Offshore, Roxy, Foxy, Kawaii, Butterfly, Where Angel PLay, Horny, Pussy Cat, Nature, Repeat, Play Pen, Nightwish, Toy, Passion, Seduction, Envy, Warath, Avanice.
Soi Chaiyaipoon Gentlemen Club: Orange, Anny and Blue.
Soi Bongkot 8, Love Inn: J-Club and Sin.
The head guy for this group is also the owner of a major website in regards to Pattaya. I don't know him personally but have conversed with him online about a few subjects. I've never discussed his business dealings but have concluded his objective since I know a number of his partners.
His original goal was revived a dying Soi 6, he has accomplished that goal. That goal comes with a price as you see now that goal to have a monopoly? The first once it got going was to up the BF for in-house and out, the major reason for the out I understand is many of the bars including his have so many girls if you take them out the business losest money the ugly ones are left manning the store.
The drinks not much you can do, being a foreigner he is operating legit to a point you notice his tab it is computerized usually means he is paying a VAT taxes as they say doing so his operating cost goes up.
The problem with places like Soi 6, many of the price hikes are due to rumors! For example and this is what I got first hand years ago when things started to pick up. You go into a place not owned by NW, the girls tells you prices similar to NW, the majority of the time it is hearsay. I ask the girl how much BF / ST she quotes me I ask her why she say that is what NW is getting! I look at her and around she isn't even NW quality but that is what they get so that is what she should get. It doesn't make sense right? I'm thinking you got no customers fat and ugly and you want what?
Don't think it just happens in Soi 6, it happens at the GoGo's too! I've been to so many seen so many times I remember when the girls started to ask LT at a top GoGo 5000 baht it started to become standard girls think so and so got it so I ask the same. Then the mamasan got involved for others reason and put this concept on to the menu. I remember 5 years ago sitting at this place next to a American the girl who I knew well, nice body average looks had a overbite get 5000 baht, she got up wink at me smiling all the way to the bank I rarely see her get BF.
Those days BF was one thing today it is out of control, seen it coming when I heard the owner / manager at soft opening for a place called REHAB on Soi Baukhao it didn't last 9 months because his excused for the hight BF was " I had to " when I heard that last when I was a kid walked into a Chinatown jewel store and told the owner " you had to ". Today many of the GG are owned by another Farang group each one is open to obtain their captial back from putting into the place want a return right away. These guys have zero business experience because of that the prices go up and up so high they rarely stay open for long.
In spite of the BF prices you do have a say in what you pay a girls it is really like what and how Mr. E and BB tells it. No matter who you are unless you are a real millionaire or whale the two week millionaire come all this way and they aren't going to hang on to their cum so they pay it. But you can negotiate the rate down but that is up to each of you?
Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.https://nightwish-group.com/
SL.
AshuScorpio123
02-04-20, 14:12
I was in Pattaya for 2 days and a night. My first visit to Pattaya. After Baccara refused me entry, I went to Sugar baby and then Windmill in front of it. Both gogo bars are similar. Same owner I guess. I would say it was my best gogo bar experience during this 15 day trip.
Nude chics and Lesbian action going on in the corners. At windmill I asked a young petite girl for a drink and she just straight on sat on my dick topless and started gyrating. During the second drink I had her on my lap sucking her tits and kissing with her jerking my dick. Girl next to me was putting ice cubes in her vagina and shooting them into a glass. Fun experience. Will definitely visit again if I am in Pattaya. Girls did their job and got me into mood. Then took a decent looking and fun bargirl from beer garden to my room for a 1000 baht session.
I guess gogobars are just for foreplay. I wouldn't bar fine at such high rates even if I have money to burn. Also I find Windmill better than Bangkok or Phuket. At least the girls are putting some effort for their lady drinks.
Gin And Tonic
02-05-20, 02:37
I was in Pattaya for 2 days and a night. My first visit to Pattaya. After Baccara refused me entry, I went to Sugar baby and then Windmill in front of it. Both gogo bars are similar. Same owner I guess. I would say it was my best gogo bar experience during this 15 day trip.
Nude chics and Lesbian action going on in the corners. At windmill I asked a young petite girl for a drink and she just straight on sat on my dick topless and started gyrating. During the second drink I had her on my lap sucking her tits and kissing with her jerking my dick. Girl next to me was putting ice cubes in her vagina and shooting them into a glass. Fun experience. Will definitely visit again if I am in Pattaya. Girls did their job and got me into mood. Then took a decent looking and fun bargirl from beer garden to my room for a 1000 baht session.
I guess gogobars are just for foreplay. I wouldn't bar fine at such high rates even if I have money to burn. Also I find Windmill better than Bangkok or Phuket. At least the girls are putting some effort for their lady drinks.No sticky finger at Windmill?
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