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2000 baht ST is kind of risky in times like this. This is what this girl wanted off Tinder, which is noted for having lots of LBs. So I need those with good eyes to help me validate this is a girl before I jump in. She didn't want to give me height and weight. Those hips got me suspicious, but I really can't tell either way.She says only 163 cm. Need some sex-pert advice before I spend 1500-2000. Girl? Damn I hate this online stuff. The Go Go bars were so much easier. Not sure how the hell you guys that don't frequent the Go Go bars do this hit or miss type of shit. Sigh.
Dhruvninea
04-29-20, 09:42
Hello Guys,
I am looking for options of mongering in either Pattaya, Saigon or Angels City. Please guide which will be the best option if my budget is $600 for 3 nights, out of which $100 is flight tickets and transport to the city. Which city provides best value for money?
Thanks,
Dhruv.
Hello Guys,
I am looking for options of mongering in either Pattaya, Saigon or Angels City. Please guide which will be the best option if my budget is $600 for 3 nights, out of which $100 is flight tickets and transport to the city. Which city provides best value for money?
Thanks,
Dhruv.Best option is more money more nights. That said Angeles is cheaper option by far gogo girls are $70 usd freelancers are $20. Food and hotel maybe tad more. Pattaya gogo dancer $100+ freelancer $40 usd food and hotel cheaper in Angeles. The if is can you get to Angeles city cheap enough to make it worth while cab is $50+ from Manila and Pattaya is $40 from Bangkok. FYI I don't take buses unless I'm very familiar with where I'm going where I'll be dropped and how much the ride is from the bus station to hotel and I'll still take a cab any day.
HorseTrader
04-29-20, 13:25
Hello Guys,
I am looking for options of mongering in either Pattaya, Saigon or Angels City. Please guide which will be the best option if my budget is $600 for 3 nights, out of which $100 is flight tickets and transport to the city. Which city provides best value for money?
Thanks,
Dhruv.$100 flight tickets? That seems far too little. From where are you starting? Suggest you find candidate flights and then evaluate your budget.
Blanquiceleste
04-29-20, 14:41
Hello Guys,
I am looking for options of mongering in either Pattaya, Saigon or Angels City. Please guide which will be the best option if my budget is $600 for 3 nights, out of which $100 is flight tickets and transport to the city. Which city provides best value for money?
Thanks,
Dhruv.Not sure when you are planning to travel or from where. But there are pretty much no flights from anywhere to anywhere at the moment. And you will probably have to spend 14 days in quarantine when you arrive in any country.
Plus, at $500 over 3 days, if you are expecting hotel, food, drinks and pussy then you are better of staying at home and wanking to pornhub videos. Not being mean, just realistic.
One minute a chick that I fuck on the regular is sending me nekkit videos and the next minute she has disappeared forever. The other day my mom was just asking me about a chick that I was hanging out with 5 or 6 years ago when her and my aunts came out. Mom, I don't even know what happened to a chick I was just with last week. 5 or 6 years ago is ancient history around this place.
A chick is begging to come over today and you say okay, what time and the broad does not say anything else until YOU say hello? 4 days later and she acts like nothing is wrong.
Yeah it's quite common with semi-pros, as their excitement to meet us depends on their bills at hand and if someone's going to meet them who will pay more.
This tinder chick I'm seeing lately, I've seen her 3 times and I'm just glad that lack of punctuality doesn't turn me off. There's no way she can reply to messages on time, sometimes even after seeing them on Line. Twice she changed the time to meet, once she was already around my neighbourhood and wanted to meet me early. Second time she wanted to meet 30 minutes late, maybe someone was having problem coming quickly.
The only reasons I've seen her 3 times in a week are she is pure GFE (from starting kissing me in lift to not hurry at all once in room), one of the best blowjobs, the way she cleans my cock in shower and her natural see cup. Also she takes 1500 which is great for me.
Hello Guys,
I am looking for options of mongering in either Pattaya, Saigon or Angels City. Please guide which will be the best option if my budget is $600 for 3 nights, out of which $100 is flight tickets and transport to the city. Which city provides best value for money?
Thanks,
Dhruv.$100 for round trip flight and transportation? $500 for mongering? I can't tell which one is the "just kidding" part. I did find some good deals under $500 that can be used for 365 nights as long as you wash. Hell. Sloppy seconds and thirds and fourths is okay if it belongs to the same person is my motto.
https://www.premiumdolls.com/collections/sex-dolls-under-400
I am looking for options of mongering in either Pattaya, Saigon or Angels City. Please guide which will be the best option if my budget is $600 for 3 nights, out of which $100 is flight tickets and transport to the city. Which city provides best value for money? Thanks,
Dhruv.Saigon, (HCMC,) is a difficult mongering destination. FS is expensive. But if all you want is a BJ, go to a Hot Toc. Don't expect GFE in HCMC. Angeles is the minor, Pee Wee league. Options are limited, But you're sure to find the GFE. Pattaya is the Premier, Big League. Lots of options to fit any budget. Much easier to find PSE. GFE can be found. I prefer Pattaya, but go to Angeles when I need a change of scenery. Post Corona, unknown how many venues will be open in AC and Pattaya and elsewhere.
Crocodilexp
04-29-20, 21:13
Plus, at $500 over 3 days, if you are expecting hotel, food, drinks and pussy then you are better of staying at home and wanking to pornhub videos. Not being mean, just realistic.
It's enough. $500 is 16 k baht. Assume roughly 1 k for the hotel, 1 k for food and 1 k for other stuff (transport, a drink or two) per day, you have 7 k left over. That leaves 7 short times at 1 k per pop over 3 days. Two hookers per day is enough for most people, unless you're a 20-something who needs to pop 5 times every single day.
Sure, if you're a big drinker, you could spend more on drinks in an evening, and there are agogo wenches who'd happily take it all off your hands in one go, but Pattaya is still decent enough on a budget (or at least it was before Covid).
Dhruvninea
04-30-20, 07:28
It's enough. $500 is 16 k baht. Assume roughly 1 k for the hotel, 1 k for food and 1 k for other stuff (transport, a drink or two) per day, you have 7 k left over. That leaves 7 short times at 1 k per pop over 3 days. Two hookers per day is enough for most people, unless you're a 20-something who needs to pop 5 times every single day.
Sure, if you're a big drinker, you could spend more on drinks in an evening, and there are agogo wenches who'd happily take it all off your hands in one go, but Pattaya is still decent enough on a budget (or at least it was before Covid).Thanks Mate,
Return flight tickets from Kolkata, India is showing below $100 to Bangkok for July end. Hope by that time situation will be much better. As well as room charges are showing on a lower side in booking.com. Now only thing that I am not sure is if I will get WGs at 1 pop /1 K or not at that time. But for the experience I would definitely like to go to Pattaya once because I am tired of tasting local gals here. Just wanted to confirm one thing from you is if these 1 k / pop wgs will come to the hotel room or they take you to there places?
Cheers.
Dhruv.
Dhruvninea
04-30-20, 07:31
Saigon, (HCMC,) is a difficult mongering destination. FS is expensive. But if all you want is a BJ, go to a Hot Toc. Don't expect GFE in HCMC. Angeles is the minor, Pee Wee league. Options are limited, But you're sure to find the GFE. Pattaya is the Premier, Big League. Lots of options to fit any budget. Much easier to find PSE. GFE can be found. I prefer Pattaya, but go to Angeles when I need a change of scenery. Post Corona, unknown how many venues will be open in AC and Pattaya and elsewhere.Hi,
Thanks very much for your input. I am definitely looking for FS with lots of smooching & GFE. I am plannng to travel on July end and hope by that time situation will be under control.
Mr Enternational
04-30-20, 08:40
I was talking to a Colombian chick the other day and out of nowhere she says, "You have never liked me, have you?" What the fuck? If I didn't like you do you think I would be talking to your dumb ass right now? Where do they get this shit from?
Last night I fucked a chick and she just sent me a message asking if I am awake. I said yes. She asked if she was snoring loudly last night. I said I didn't know. Then she says, "You don't want to talk to me anymore. OK. " How did she get that from me saying that I am awake and did not know if she was snoring loudly last night? If I live to be 1000 years old I will never understand these mfs.
So after milling about yesterday afternoon pondering who I was going to get to come over, I remembered a chick from Nakhon Si Thammarat that works at Home Pro who told me the previous day she wanted to come because it was her day off. I hit her up and she said that she did not know Pattaya well and asked me to meet her at Big C Extra in 15 minutes. She lives over Siam Country Club way so I said sure. 15 minutes later she hit me asking where I was. Shit. I was still home chilling. I told her I would be there in 5 minutes.
I pulled up to the front where the motorbikes park because that is where I had told her to meet me. She was not there so I asked her where she was and why she was not at the designated spot. She said that she was in the parking lot and told me to come meet her at pillar 3F. I drove over there and saw her and was like what the fuck are your doing over here? I was expecting her to hop on the back of my bike. Instead, she told me that she would follow me and proceeded to jump into a big ass Toyota Hilux truck. Well excuse the fuck out of me.
We got to my room and she sat in my office chair. I told her no way. That chair is for the boss. I directed her to sit on the bed so I could sit in my chair. She does not speak much English, but she speaks enough, and with my Thai we were fine. I started rubbing on her arm. It seems she was uncomfortable with it and told me to let her give me a massage instead. I popped up and took off my shirt and laid on the bed no questions asked.
When she finished I told her to lay down and take a nap with me. I put my arm around her and my hand up the back of her shirt rubbing on her back and holding her. I passed out and I guess she did too. When I woke up I immediately started kissing on her neck. Then I started kissing on her chest. I plopped a tit out and started sucking on that, then pulled the other out and sucked on that too. I reached into the front of her pants and started fingering her.
She got up and tried to suck my dick through my pants. I got up and took my pants off. That chick's mouth launched an all out attack on my dick. It seemed like she was trying to suck the cure for corona virus out of me. We fucked like rabbits and when I was about to cum I told her you can eat it now. She took my dick out of her pussy and put it back into her mouth. She did not spill a drop. We went back to sleep.
We woke up at 8 pm and she started sucking again. We fucked some more then chilled. I had not received a message from my girlfriend since afternoon so I figured she did not plan to come over tonight. At 9:15 I asked the chick if she was going to go home or stay. She said she would go home because she did not think I wanted her to sleep in my room. I said how could that be true? You were already sleeping in my room.
At 9:15 I decided we had better go look for food since she was staying. My chicken spot was already closed. I came up on the Italian restaurant on Soi Lengkee that was still taking orders. We left there past the witching hour, 10:04, but I live close and did not encounter the law. We came in and ate.
I told her that I would visit her at work tomorrow. She said for what? You didn't want to come visit me there when I asked you to. Touche got dammit. But that was before I knew how good this pussy and that mouth is. She went to sleep and I stayed up until 3 doing my things. When I woke up at 8:30 she hopped up too. She had to be at work at 10 and still needed to go home to get ready. 400 baht for our food.
CuriousWang
04-30-20, 10:35
I was talking to a Colombian chick the other day and out of nowhere she says, "You have never liked me, have you?" What the fuck? If I didn't like you do you think I would be talking to your dumb ass right now? Where do they get this shit from?
Last night I fucked a chick and she just sent me a message asking if I am awake. I said yes. She asked if she was snoring loudly last night. I said I didn't know. Then she says, "You don't want to talk to me anymore. OK. " How did she get that from me saying that I am awake and did not know if she was snoring loudly last night? If I live to be 1000 years old I will never understand these mfs.
So after milling about yesterday afternoon pondering who I was going to get to come over, I remembered a chick from Nakhon Si Thammarat that works at Home Pro who told me the previous day she wanted to come because it was her day off. I hit her up and she said that she did not know Pattaya well and asked me to meet her at Big C Extra in 15 minutes. She lives over Siam Country Club way so I said sure. 15 minutes later she hit me asking where I was. Shit. I was still home chilling. I told her I would be there in 5 minutes.
I pulled up to the front where the motorbikes park because that is where I had told her to meet me. She was not there so I asked her where she was and why she was not at the designated spot. She said that she was in the parking lot and told me to come meet her at pillar 3F. I drove over there and saw her and was like what the fuck are your doing over here? I was expecting her to hop on the back of my bike. Instead, she told me that she would follow me and proceeded to jump into a big ass Toyota Hilux truck. Well excuse the fuck out of me.
We got to my room and she sat in my office chair. I told her no way. That chair is for the boss. I directed her to sit on the bed so I could sit in my chair. She does not speak much English, but she speaks enough, and with my Thai we were fine. I started rubbing on her arm. It seems she was uncomfortable with it and told me to let her give me a massage instead. I popped up and took off my shirt and laid on the bed no questions asked.
When she finished I told her to lay down and take a nap with me..How does one cold approach civy and get their line?
Saigon, (HCMC,) is a difficult mongering destination. FS is expensive. But if all you want is a BJ, go to a Hot Toc. Don't expect GFE in HCMC. Angeles is the minor, Pee Wee league. Options are limited, But you're sure to find the GFE. Pattaya is the Premier, Big League. Lots of options to fit any budget. Much easier to find PSE. GFE can be found. I prefer Pattaya, but go to Angeles when I need a change of scenery. Post Corona, unknown how many venues will be open in AC and Pattaya and elsewhere.I met Viet pro in Cambodia more ten years ago.
A bunch of fucking bastard maoist same same of kmer rouge.
Now Cambodia left USA for the China, on a question of USA bombing on Cambodia and Laos.
I go in fucking dirty room same sheet all the day, figure that.
Then she told me to wash whit the same as sheet and Palmolive that were in a sort of bath.
I refuse she left.
Take another make a quick.
35 usd.
is if these 1 k / pop wgs will come to the hotel room or they take you to there places?Depends where you get them. Open beer bars will come to your room, for 1 k - 1. 5 k. If you want 2 pops best to tell them first. If you go to Soi 6, the bars have rooms upstairs. Give the girl 1 k, plus bar fine for the room. That is usually for 1 pop. This is known as Short Time, (ST.) if you want to take them to your room 2 k plus bar fine, this is known as Long Time, (LT,) and they'll stay with you until the next day. If you get them earlier than 11 p, (time varies by bar,) the bar fine will be higher. Gentlemen's club are the same rate as Soi 6 bars, but usually the girls don't go out for LT. There are exceptions. Get a girl at a Walking St or LK Metro Gogo will blow your budget. Beach Rd walkers will be 1 k or less. They're strictly ST, but again there are exceptions.
Banana Boi
04-30-20, 22:37
It's enough. $500 is 16 k baht. Assume roughly 1 k for the hotel, 1 k for food and 1 k for other stuff (transport, a drink or two) per day, you have 7 k left over. That leaves 7 short times at 1 k per pop over 3 days. Two hookers per day is enough for most people, unless you're a 20-something who needs to pop 5 times every single day.
I am looking forward to partying with sexy gals at evening and a nice fuck in my hotel room at night after partying. And then a nice buffet lunch with the gal. As well as relaxing massage.Sounds like OP is looking for the complete 18 hour LT GFE package. Drinks at a bar or club and late night snack then buffet lunch the next day plus a stop at 7-11 for him and the girl and her sisters he's going to run out of cash on night 1. But if things go well it will be a night he never forgets.
There are hotels for 3 nights for 1 k?
Hello Guys,
I am looking for options of mongering in either Pattaya, Saigon or Angels City. Please guide which will be the best option if my budget is $600 for 3 nights, out of which $100 is flight tickets and transport to the city. Which city provides best value for money?
Thanks,
Dhruv.You must be real desperate. $600 is 20 K baht (on the higher side). Lowest ticket from Kolkata return would be 4000 baht, bus from airport to Pattaya - 300 be both ways (yes bus - 2. 5 hrs if you are lucky) - say 1000 B all transort in Thailand, cheapest hotel at 700 b per night- 2100 (yes you do get at 700 B, GF hotels), cheapest pussy at 1000 B ST, assuming 2 per day since you are coming all the way just for mongering - 6000 be, you eat 7/11 microwave meals or 50 B chicken rice on the street carts. Food bill 1000 B for 3 days with some desserts thrown in. Sticky rice pudding? Visa cost - 1000 be. You are down 15 K baht till now. If you don't drink beers or sodas and do with just water, I think you will have a fabulous 3 day trip with the cheapest of flights, rooms, food, pussy and 2. 5 HR bus ride from bkk, plus you will have a few bahts left to buy a souvenir to take home for your family. Now we know why us Indians have the reputation we have, what we have. Why don't you stay home and enjoy the boudis in the baris of sonagachi RLD of Kolkata and save the blushes? I took the effort to research the costs and break it down to make you realise. I dint even add your home to Kolkata airport commute costs, am sure you will figure it out.
Mr Enternational
05-01-20, 01:54
There are hotels for 3 nights for 1k?I don't know about 1k, but rooms 3 nights for 1200 are a dime a dozen. The place I stay is 500/day if someone was to pay a daily rate. But with a 1 year contract it works out to 150/day for me. He could easily bring $500 for 3 nights and go back home with half of it. Even when I was just a visitor I never spent $500 in 3 nights if you don't count the clothes I was buying.
1000 baht visa. 400 baht back and forth airport. 300 baht/day for food. 400 baht/day for room. 150 baht/day for motorbike. 100 baht/3 days gasoline. That is 4050 ($124) for essentials. $376 left to spend. 500 ST, 1000 LT for 3 days is 4500 baht ($138). $238 to site see, buy souvenirs, get more chicks, or take back home. Easy.
Mr Enternational
05-01-20, 02:31
Yesterday I went to visit a chick that I mess with. I was sitting outside when right in front of me I saw another chick that I mess with eating at a makeshift restaurant. Now these are both free chicks. While waiting for the chick that lives there I went over to talk to the one at the restaurant. I have reported on her before. I met her at the market maybe 3 years ago. She spent the night with me that night. The next day I gave her 1000 baht and she said what is this for? Then I had to make up some bullshit because I looked like a jakazz. Same chick was leaving my place one morning and a White guy that lives in my building told her "that guy has a different lady over every night". She said she told him as well he should because he is a handsome guy.
Anyway she hits me up last night and tells me one of the chicks that she was eating with likes me and wants to come stay with me for 1 night. She said I will have to pay the girl 1000 baht though (which I have always touted as standard Pattaya LT FL price). She also tells me that the girl I was there to see was very beautiful. I said how can you tell since she had a mask on? She said she saw her body ok. I told her that I would relay the message. I told the other girl and she said ok.
I loved HCMC. But outcall FS is expensive. Hot tocs are fun but in most cases not FS. Plus the top tier providers may show disinterest by not making eye contact, playing with their phone or meal. Bike taxis are the cheapest in SE Asia here. There is going to be a language barrier here. And a lot of Viets will want to overcharge foreigners. Vietnam is better to bring a holiday girlfriend and sneak out for a massage. My friend with a bigger budget wasn't in love with HCMC. For your delicate budget it would be AC then Thailand. Your going to be limited to 2 shags a day max. Vietnam will have to be for another day because your P4P options will be strained on a shoe string budget.
There are hotels for 3 nights for 1 k?The post says it is per day. I think you miss that.
You must be real desperate. $600 is 20 K baht (on the higher side). Lowest ticket from Kolkata return would be 4000 baht, bus from airport to Pattaya - 300 be both ways (yes bus - 2. 5 hrs if you are lucky) - say 1000 B all transort in Thailand, cheapest hotel at 700 b per night- 2100 (yes you do get at 700 B, GF hotels), cheapest pussy at 1000 B ST, assuming 2 per day since you are coming all the way just for mongering - 6000 be, you eat 7/11 microwave meals or 50 B chicken rice on the street carts. Food bill 1000 B for 3 days with some desserts thrown in. Sticky rice pudding? Visa cost - 1000 be. You are down 15 K baht till now. If you don't drink beers or sodas and do with just water, I think you will have a fabulous 3 day trip with the cheapest of flights, rooms, food, pussy and 2. 5 HR bus ride from bkk, plus you will have a few bahts left to buy a souvenir to take home for your family. Now we know why us Indians have the reputation we have, what we have. Why don't you stay home and enjoy the boudis in the baris of sonagachi RLD of Kolkata and save the blushes? I took the effort to research the costs and break it down to make you realise. I dint even add your home to Kolkata airport commute costs, am sure you will figure it out.Now that's a well explained, to-the-point post and reply for OP's question. I was thinking to write something similar yesterday but was busy.
To OP, dude my first suggestion is don't come on paper thin budget. What's the point coming on a "vacation", and living in some cheap ass hotel, buying 50 b food and bang the worst hookers available. Maybe you haven't seen most 1 k baht pussies on beach road, I will throw up seeing them nude in my room before my dick gets hard. There are somw good ones available on Tinder for 1-1. 5 k but it will take time to find then and there's lots if bait and switch and late replies (2-3 days late replies I mean).
If you really want to come on the same budget, I suggest you to focus on quality over quantity. Soi 6 won't cost you 1 k per pussy but quality will be better than those beach road ones.
Or you can stay at your place and go to some thai massage shop. There must be some in Kolkata I guess. Never been there though.
Rest you can decide what's best for you.
LittleBigMan
05-01-20, 10:27
The worse thing with so many things up in the air open today close tomorrow the last thing you want is to come here on a shoestring budget and then it all gets locked down again as remote as it may seem due to the short trip unless you have sufficient time and funds available through ATM to weather it out. Don't be one of those foreigners backpackers going to Temple, standing in food lines asking and looking for handouts. Although many have stated they have it and it is small money no problem giving a few thousand baht to the ladies don't expect the same generosity. Your best chance if it happens is pimping yourself to those sugar in the tank ex-pat foreigners?
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GettingFedUp
05-01-20, 15:11
The worse thing with so many things up in the air open today close tomorrow And also closed tomorrow but open Sunday when it comes to alcohol! https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1911252/booze-sales-back-from-sunday.
For those in desperation also remember that 6 May (Wednesday) is Visakha Bucha day, which is usually a no alcohol sales day. Apologies for posting both here and in the Thailand General Thread, but it seemed the best way to cover the bases.
PedroMorales
05-01-20, 17:37
Here is a 46 year old British guy who picked up a hooker in Soi Bukeau, had yabba, had sex, ritually slaughtered her asnd now is facing a long holiday in the Monkey House.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8277033/CCTV-shows-British-man-pick-Thai-prostitute-having-drug-fuelled-sex-killing-her.html
Another point is as a foreigner and not a regular the girls will feel they earned a 25% tip at the hot toc if they put max effort and don't rush you. The locals and residing expats may tip little or nothing. If you choose wisely at the hot toc and she gives you the 'works' she may be disappointed if she is not rewarded with a humble budget busting tip.
Insurance can bite into a razor thin budget. Hopefully no watersports or motorcycle accidents. Or ER from partying. Don't forget travel insurance because theft is more likely with the Global Recession.
Return flight from Kolkata, India is showing below $100 to Bangkok for July end. Hope by that time situation will be much better. Room charges are showing on a lower side in booking.com. Now only thing that I am not sure is if I will get WGs at 1 pop /1 K or not at that time. But for the experience I would definitely like to go to Pattaya once because I am tired of tasting local gals here. Just wanted to confirm one thing from you is if these 1 k / pop wgs will come to the hotel room or they take you to there places? I am definitely looking for FS with lots of smooching & GFE. I am plannnig to travel on July end and hope by that time situation will be under control.Finding a working girl who provides full service for 1000 baht in Pattaya is difficult, but not impossible. Generally speaking, the girls who stand along Beach Road (also known as the "coconut bar") will go to your room for 1000 and you'll get full service. But you better be staying in Central Pattaya, west of Third Road. They will balk at traveling farther. And don't expect "lots of smooching and GFE." At that price point, it will be a fairly expeditious transaction.
The going rate for girls who work in the Soi 6 bars should be 1000 as well, for full service in an upstairs room. But that's a misleading price in some respects. The bar will also charge 300-500 for the room. And you're expected to buy at least one drink for yourself and the girl, which will cost about 150 each. So all-in a Soi 6 session is at least 1,600. And again, the "romance" will be lacking.
The real problem with this guy's holiday plan isn't funding (although he's definitely traveling on a shoestring) it's TIMING. Just my opinion, but Pattaya won't be anywhere near back to normal by the end of July. Will it be better than East Dismal Seepage, India? Can't say. Never been there. But it won't be the Pattaya so many of know and love and this gent aspires to see.
The going rate for girls who work in the Soi 6 bars should be 1000 as well, for full service in an upstairs room. But that's a misleading price in some respects. The bar will also charge 300-500 for the room. And you're expected to buy at least one drink for yourself and the girl, which will cost about 150 each. So all-in a Soi 6 session is at least 1,600. I never buy girls a drink on Soi 6. I go straight to a girl and say "bumbum" pointing my finger to the sky meaning "upstairs". No frowns from management when I pay for the room without buying any drink. Some girls may be boycotting me because of it though. I'll never know because I'm not going to change. 1400 is my Soi 6 price. 1350 in bars where the room is 350.
Mr Enternational
05-02-20, 04:55
And you're expected to buy at least one drink for yourself and the girl, which will cost about 150 each. Actually you are not expected to buy anything. You can walk in and find a chick and just go upstairs with her if you want. That is just some old psychology shit making you feel guilty, like when you go to church and they ask for the offering. You do not have to give anything. But if you don't reach into your pocket you may feel a little strange when you see everybody else is doing it. Just say you are not there to drink, you are there to fuck.
The girl that is in my bed now works at a gogo. Last night she was telling me about the drink shit. She said she has to sell 50 drinks in 10 days then she gets 10,000 baht from it. (No idea how it is figured since even if a drink is 150 baht, 50 only add up to 7500.) I asked how does she get people to buy all those drinks. She said it is really easy when they are already half drunk. They will not say no. Then she showed me the little baby voice she uses to ask for a drink. I said well you know that shit won't work on me. She started laughing and said most of the time it is just apple juice.
Soi 6 and Beach Road are not the only players in the game. You have Thai Friendly, Tinder, WeChat, walking around meeting chicks. (Hell, I met this chick the other day at the market.) And that is how you get what I consider a more normal price.
For instance the gogo chick that is here now is getting 1200 LT from me. My initial offer was 1000 and hers was 1500. She has been here since 8 last night and it is almost 11 am now. She has told me of customers giving her upwards of 5000 LT. She was telling me about one dude coming in and bought her a drink. She said she spotted one customer that gives her 5000 on a regular basis. So she went over to talk to him and the first guy got really angry. He said he would give her 5000 too. She said but the other guy gives it to her on a regular basis, so surely it is not expected that she would blow off a frequent big spender like that.
In 14 years I have never given a Beach Road chick 1000 baht for short time and would not even suggest someone needs to pay that. 500 is the most I am willing to do, while some of my friends are giving them 400. There are many price points around this place and it has nothing to do with how the girl looks or where she can be found. All that matters is how much you are willing to spend and how much she is willing to take.
Jimmy Boy 99
05-02-20, 05:36
Actually you are not expected to buy anything. You can walk in and find a chick and just go upstairs with her if you want. That is just some old psychology shit making you feel guilty, like when you go to church and they ask for the offering. You do not have to give anything. But if you don't reach into your pocket you may feel a little strange when you see everybody else is doing it. Just say you are not there to drink, you are there to fuck. Snip
I never buy girls a drink on Soi 6. I go straight to a girl and say "bumbum" pointing my finger to the sky meaning "upstairs". No frowns from management when I pay for the room without buying any drink. Some girls may be boycotting me because of it though. I'll never know because I'm not going to change. 1400 is my Soi 6 price. 1350 in bars where the room is 350.I also never buy a drink for me or the girl. However, a year or so ago I was in a bar (one of the Nightwish group, I think) and was told I had to buy a drink for myself. I was surprised and asked why? Was told that was their policy, so bought a 95 baht beer because I wanted to fuck the girl. After I bought it and wanted to go upstairs, I was told I had to buy the girl a drink also. This pissed me off so I told them to fuck themselves and left. The Nightwish bars have fucked up Soi 6 with their drink policies and inflated room rates and should be avoided.
GettingFedUp
05-02-20, 07:31
She said she has to sell 50 drinks in 10 days then she gets 10,000 baht from it. (No idea how it is figured since even if a drink is 150 baht, 50 only add up to 7500.)The 10 k baht is her base salary. The 50 drinks is a quota she must get otherwise the salary is cut. Likewise there's likely to be a barfine quota which if missed will get her salary cut. She'll then get a commission for every drink and bar fine over the quotas.
Stickman Weekly had a piece on the pay structure at Pin Up about 6 months ago (https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/2019/10/bangkoks-best-movie-house-scala-by-iphone/ about three quarters of the way down) highlighting cuts to salary for missing LD quota, bar fine quota, missing a day or turning up late.
Christian G
05-02-20, 10:20
Actually you are not expected to buy anything. You can walk in and find a chick and just go upstairs with her if you want.
I never buy girls a drink on Soi 6. I go straight to a girl and say "bumbum" pointing my finger to the sky meaning "upstairs". No frowns from management when I pay for the room without buying any drink. Some girls may be boycotting me because of it though. Agree. Drinks and Ladydrinks are not mandatory. Soi 6 it is a ST soi and I going there only for ST. Some girls keep to insist on "one drink first" after I told them I want ST only, I simply move next, no time to waste.
GettingFedUp
05-03-20, 07:58
Chonburi PR have posted details of the latest order from the Governor to their Facebook (not sure if links to Facebook are allowed under ISG's "No links to competing forums" rule).
I believe the list is of businesses ordered closed runs to 31 July 2020 - it is slightly confusing as Google translates the date as 31 Nov. July 63 but this seems to be a Google translate problem where "Nov" is inserted into Thai dates, of course there is only 30 days in November. 63 is Buddhist era number for 2020.
The list reads (don't blame me for repetition and strange translation, this is how Chonburi PR posted it):
Cinema, cinema.
Pub Bar Entertainment.
Amusement Park.
Playground in water market and flea market.
Zoo Zoo.
Roller blade skating place.
Fun Billiards table.
Bowling game cabinet.
Game Shop Internet shop.
Public pool.
Rooster Stadium.
Fitness.
Conference Center, show center.
Museum of museum.
Library library.
Nursery.
Boxing Stadium.
Martial Arts shed.
Tattoo place or body piercing.
Dance Institute.
Horse field.
A place to shower, steam, herbs.
Shower, massage.
Phra Machine Center. Beauty Clinic. Weight loss and beauty treatment.
Healthy Massage Spa. Thai massage.
Competition field.
For the sweaty unwashed beer branded vest (singlet) wearing hoards "A place to shower, steam, herbs" probably means a sauna spa. It is not an excuse to avoid the shower in your room! It seems my Prince Albert piercing and accompanying tattooed inscription of "Made in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. " will have to wait even longer.
If previous orders are anything to go by "Public Pool" and "Fitness" include hotel and condo facilities, but you can never be sure.
There is no mention of beaches in either the "ordered closed" or "allowed to open with disease prevention" list, but public parks are allowed to open for exercise but not for crowds or congregation.
As usual I would add the warning of "THINGS CAN CHANGE QUICKLY", so the above doesn't necessarily mean bars, etc. WILL open on 1 August, and it also doesn't necessarily mean that the order won't be relaxed or rescinded earlier.
LittleBigMan
05-03-20, 11:44
" THINGS MIGHT CHANGE QUICKLY ".
I wouldn't worry too much about translation and stuff. The liquor ban isn't supposed to be until tomorrow midnight and then the easing up! It was a madhouse out here on the Darkside local whole seller for liquor pack with locals act like there is prohibition coming or something. This one idiot was so much in a hurry to get inside the warehouse he forgot to set his brakes the small truck roll down the Soi into another guy house.
Noodles houses opened for in house eating no social distance, the local outdoor market checking for temperature, and drop of alcohol in your hand before you enter no one in sight to check now. There is supposed to something like 4 stages to reopening it's all gone crazy even before the first day?
PedroMorales
05-03-20, 14:02
Thailand seems ok according to this site https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.
I guess their main threat is Westerners though no way can the Chinese figures stack up (eg no virus in Beijing).
Thailand seems ok according to this site https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.
I guess their main threat is Westerners though no way can the Chinese figures stack up (eg no virus in Beijing).So are you assuming Chinese are reporting correct numbers?
Pimpampoumpipo
05-04-20, 09:55
Frankly the atmosphere in this bar is grim. This video was filmed at Pattaya.
But if in addition you have to endure 14 days of quarantine on arrival, be deprived of alcohol, undergo police raids and spend the night at the police station, I still prefer to stay at home with YouPorn.
https://youtu.be/Ph6tJMmdHdk
LittleBigMan
05-04-20, 11:38
Frankly the atmosphere in this bar is grim. This video was filmed at Pattaya.
But if in addition you have to endure 14 days of quarantine on arrival, be deprived of alcohol, undergo police raids and spend the night at the police station, I still prefer to stay at home with YouPorn.
https://youtu.be/Ph6tJMmdHdkThis is nothing, more jealous and political than anything! I happened to drive by yesterday in the afternoon saw a lady or two sitting outside this place lets say is owned by pure Thai so no surprise as soon as they hear " ease up " they think they can open. Out here on the Darkside you better be liked and she isn't the rent on this place is high and the girls are usually butt ugly and I mean butt ugly known also to be gambling inside. Before the virus it wasn't known for anyone going there for girls.
They must of work something out because the place was open again with a lady outside not sure they were open for usual business. Further, up small local bar called the Red bar two girls outside sitting playing on their phones but not a lot opened many have closed up shop for good.
Wolvenvacht
05-04-20, 18:35
So are you assuming Chinese are reporting correct numbers?That's an assumption that cannot be made. Most countries only report "confirmed" cases (for whatever definition of "confirmed" they use), so the figures do not reflect the actual number of infections. In a recent test of a representative sample of people in Belgium, 4.5% of those tested had corona virus anti-bodies in their blood, so must have been infected at one time or another. 4.5% of the Belgian population is a little over 500 000, yet Belgium only officially reported less than 50 000 confirmed cases. So there is a good argument to be made that the actual infection rate may be 10 times as high as the confirmed infection rate reported. Much will depend of course on how intensive these tests are being done. Except for countries such as South-Korea, Singapore or the worst hit areas in China, testing is nowhere near what is needed to get a good view on the actual spread of the infection.
Thailand, with almost 70 million people, will have much more than the less than 3000 "officially" infected people. How much will be the real value? That's anybody's guess.
Arn Poddict
05-04-20, 18:44
Agree. Drinks and Ladydrinks are not mandatory. Soi 6 it is a ST soi and I going there only for ST. Some girls keep to insist on "one drink first" after I told them I want ST only, I simply move next, no time to waste.I always have a whiskey or GT in the bar in between picking up a girl and going upstairs to fuck. It gives a nice boost in the mood and in my cock. And I most often buy a drink to the girl as well while zipping mine and watching the soi 6 scene. Because I can. Does not hurt my wallet too much.
In a recent test of a representative sample of people in Belgium, 4.5% of those tested had corona virus anti-bodies in their blood, so must have been infected at one time or another.A German study found 22% of those infected were asymptomatic: https://www.thelocal.de/20200504/one-in-five-coronavirus-infected-asymptomatic-german-study.
LittleBigMan
05-05-20, 01:34
I think it is hard if not impossible to report all the testing and data accurately most countries if not all are doing their best. Here is how I separate my opinion I look at past performance although no indication or guarantee of future performance if an individual or country in this particular case (China) has a habit of lying, holding back the truth or just providing half when it is clearly red they tell you with a straight face it is blue, the timeline is all there as to what China did regarding the virus take that history I got to be suspect as to what comes out of their mouth now and in the future I apply this same principle to P4 P too.
So are you assuming Chinese are reporting correct numbers?Does your perception of true or false numbers really matters in terms of mongering?
Some countries are blaming China for the virus but Brooding over it here does not change anything to the scene.
What matter most is which country is opening up for our hobbies and whether we are allowed entry.
Asian countries numbers are low now compared to Europe and USA on WHO's lists whether you think it is false or not.
The countries involved in allowing entry of foreigners will decide on that.
Does your perception of true or false numbers really matters in terms of mongering?
My response was to OP's claim that numbers in Beijing are negligent. It has nothing to do with Mongering. It's quite well known Thailand will allow Chinese no matter what, no one is arguing will Chinese be allowed or not.
Some countries are blaming China for the virus but Brooding over it here does not change anything to the scene.
Asian countries numbers are low now compared to Europe and USA on WHO's lists whether you think it is false or not.
You're assuming that many countries are going to trust WHO (the Chinese PR organization) for deciding who to allow entry in. I already know many European countries won't be allowing Chinese anytime soon, good for our FKK friends, less Chinese there. But less Chinese there means, more in Thailand. Which is not great for me and for many others. Most probably they will hike up the prices moment they come and larger their numbers the higher will be the effect. Just one of the scenario.
LittleBigMan
05-05-20, 13:04
I think some items are missing here?
It is assumed maybe due to the distance the Chinese and other Asians will be returning to Thailand first or other mongering locations. What is missing in the discussion is first before one arrives and leave are the restrictions going to be lifted? Like Thailand are they still going to require a medical certificate within 72 hours of arrival and an insurance policy to cover minimum 100,000 baht, is there going to be a quarantine one end or both otherwise I don't think anyone is going anywhere?
Then you got the biggest one of all the ECONOMY Thailand government the way they are certainly will welcome the Chinese back but even the virus the number was already down the ones who were coming were more of the middle class that we're able to come in much smaller groups it was surveyed that 60% of the Chinese visiting weren't in large tour groups. I could attest to that by the number of venues built on the Darkside larger than any Muay Thai boxing venue all in one including parking for the large buses to retain the tourist all closed ghost town even before the virus.
Today, the number for the USA Unemployed on unemployment 40 million and growing, business lining up to file bankruptcy J. Crew, not to mention all the restaurants. The key Thailand nor China, Korea, Japan are exempt their economies are hurting, and when hurting who has the money to burn regardless of how close you are. Then.
You got the airlines, vacation industry, and hotel all projected that prices will go up! Until a vaccine is found you are talking about a 8-12 months airline must take caution and use social distance on their flights less capacity higher cost this is the same for hotels no one is going to stay in business continue to take a loss and providing a discount. In some sectors, it is projected 2-3 years before the economy gets back to pre-virus.
I projected a war between China and America it is here now the virus has brought everything to the front if not a physical war it will be a trade war what we experience prior to the deal reached in December will be nothing going forward it is going to affect everyone everywhere if China doesn't start buying as promised and that has nothing to do with taking responsibility for their lying regarding the virus.
For the last week I've been seeing on the Darkside and in-town business of all shape and size removing their furniture, they are done. It doesn't seem bars or GoGo are on the list to open for another month to June 15th, that is a death blow.
................ I already know many European countries won't be allowing Chinese anytime soon..............At time of writing the US has 1,215,279 cases and 70,119 deaths from covid 19. If they do not allow Chinese, what about Americans?
I don't see any day light for these bars and clubs if this is the best these bar owners can come up with their brains. Don't shoot the messenger.
https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/cv19-asia/cv19-thailand/owners-of-pattaya-nightlife-venues-discuss-covid-19-safety-regulations-for-re-opening
The ideas proposed included the following, but none addressed social distancing between strangers.
1. the mandatory wearing of mask (makes barfine selection, drinking, communicating, and smoking pretty interesting).
2. bar staff to wear face shields (how does this protect the customers when drinks are handled at levels below the mask).
3. gloves for handling cash and drinks (but they still touch other surfaces with these gloves, unless they change gloves constantly).
4. temperature checks to be carried out at every venue (I think alcohol drops body temperature, which can mask illness).
5. hand sanitizer on all tables (why at all tables).
6. a limit on the number of customers admitted (who gets in and who doesn't? Big spenders only wanted).
7. as well as a limit on drinks promotions and parties (good luck on revenue and paying off the police their share).
8. medical screening spots could be set up in areas such as Walking Street (screen who, where, how, and how often).
9. logging ID and passport numbers in order to facilitate contact tracing (if you have to do this and reached this point, Walking Street will be closed down again).
At time of writing the US has 1,215,279 cases and 70,119 deaths from covid 19. If they do not allow Chinese, what about Americans?Perception is always bigger than numbers.
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It is assumed maybe due to the distance the Chinese and other Asians will be returning to Thailand first or other mongering locations. What is missing in the discussion is first before one arrives and leave are the restrictions going to be lifted? Like Thailand are they still going to require a medical certificate within 72 hours of arrival and an insurance policy to cover minimum 100,000 baht, is there going to be a quarantine one end or both otherwise I don't think anyone is going anywhere?
Great points about travel restrictions and policies enforced by Thailand for tourists which will play a big role for economy. I've a feeling and just a feeling, that government will make very tourist-friendly policies to attract as many as possible. Things are already starting to open quicker than expected, and numbers of case are way down officially other than the spike we had the other day.
For the last week I've been seeing on the Darkside and in-town business of all shape and size removing their furniture, they are done. It doesn't seem bars or GoGo are on the list to open for another month to June 15th, that is a death blow.Which kinds of businesses? Smaller ones were expected but bigger ones can pay couple of months of bill, so if they're closing down, that would be surprising. And as far as I know, other than couple of gogos on WS, nothing has been closed officially by now. But the numbers of gogos will close with a much quicker rate if the usual low-season turned out to be too low.
Does your perception of true or false numbers really matters in terms of mongering?
Some countries are blaming China for the virus but Brooding over it here does not change anything to the scene.
What matter most is which country is opening up for our hobbies and whether we are allowed entry.
Asian countries numbers are low now compared to Europe and USA on WHO's lists whether you think it is false or not.
The countries involved in allowing entry of foreigners will decide on that.
I think it is hard if not impossible to report all the testing and data accurately most countries if not all are doing their best. Here is how I separate my opinion I look at past performance although no indication or guarantee of future performance if an individual or country in this particular case (China) has a habit of lying, holding back the truth or just providing half when it is clearly red they tell you with a straight face it is blue, the timeline is all there as to what China did regarding the virus take that history I got to be suspect as to what comes out of their mouth now and in the future I apply this same principle to P4 P too.I think you guys are old enough to know that governments lie, stretch the truth, and hide things from the public right? How do I know? It's because as humans, we all do the same to each other. I can with 1000% sureness, tell you that "cause of death numbers" are easily manipulated and have been. I have first hand experience when it comes to crap like that. Somebody who is positive of COVID-19 can easily be listed as Acute Respiratory Failure upon death or Renal Failure upon death. Government funding of healthcare means government influence when it comes to the data. If you want to enlighten yourself to what is going on, do a bit of research, and try to answer the right questions.
1. How long virus survives outside body and on surfaces?
2. No signs or symptoms and can still be still be infected?
3. Asymptomatic can still be contagious?
4. Vaccine is how long in waiting and why isn't there still one for SARs?
5. Who gets, who does not, same as the FLU vaccine?
6. Does a vaccine mean you can't be infected, reinfected, or die (see #5)?
7. How many strains of Coronavirus 19 are there and will be, since viruses mutate?
8. Does different strains mean different vaccines needed just like the Flu?
9. Reinfection to the same host possible?
10. Immunity certain or not after infection?
11. Masks types, what's their exact purpose, and effectiveness (95% effectiveness of the N95 is like having unprotected sex with somebody with HIV one time).
12. What is the state of the local municipality healthcare system to address the sick, does that have to do with the reported data?
13. What's the point of testing when negative today does not mean that you've will be negative in a few days after?
15. Antibodies means you have been exposed and were infected, but look at 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 13.
16. What is sanitation and cleanliness of the population, food industry, their habits and its relation to disease progression and contagions?
17. Cash and money heavy country play what kind of role when it comes to the spread of contagions (see #1)?
18. What's the history of the or any government trustworthiness and transparency?
19. Does anybody, even the experts, have a definitive answer when talking about this pandemic? (Listen to the exact words they use like "perhaps, hopeful, probably".
20. And lastly, will this be over "only" when there is no fear or threat to those in positions of power, fame, and wealth or the HAVES of the world? TB, another pandemic, kills thousands in Thailand annually, but. "fill in the blank".
1500 plus 200 tips for GFE experience but was really picky and this was the first time an online girl screened me. She was one of those who rarely "reply to messages" and I feel judged. But everything worked out just fine. Probably best natural body I've seen from a girl online.
Once upon a time I spent 3000ST, 1500 BF, 1000 on drinks for this girl. Now she runs 2000, but does more freaky things because her options for customers is quite limited. So I introduced her to my friend, the "shocker" with a "snap. " What a champ!
Wonder why all the mixed Thai girls who look like white girls are more expensive than the others. Recently, I paid 2000 each for GFE service from these TF girls, when the others charged 1000-1500. I'm not a Thai culture expert, but is this look favorable amongst the Thais?
Banana Boi
05-05-20, 17:36
If they do not allow Chinese, what about Americans?I'll guess China, Korea, Japan are first in. USA and UK will be last in. Europe will be just before USA and UK. Even though Russia is going to down the tubes in this they will be ahead of the rest of Europe because Thailand loves the Russians.
There's always been a lot of bickering on a non-hobby board that Farang are unwanted in Thailand. The order Thailand opens up to foreign travelers will speak volumes on who Thailand wants in their country the most and, more importantly, who they don't want.
LookAtWorld
05-05-20, 19:38
No idea about local Thais but definitely in KL, where they are considered exotic / preferred. Just search for any KL escorts site and see Thai girls pictures, you will understand what I am saying.
Wonder why all the mixed Thai girls who look like white girls are more expensive than the others. Recently, I paid 2000 each for GFE service from these TF girls, when the others charged 1000-1500. I'm not a Thai culture expert, but is this look favorable amongst the Thais?
Wonder why all the mixed Thai girls who look like white girls are more expensive than the others.Thai's love the lighter skin, just look around at how much skin whitening creams and make-up are on sale.
Thai's love the lighter skin, just look around at how much skin whitening creams and make-up are on sale.Absolutely true. I remember going to movies in Thailand and watching all the ads before the movie started. The ads only showed young, very light skinned Thais. Not a darker, Isaan complexion ever was shown on the screen.
That's an assumption that cannot be made. Most countries only report "confirmed" cases (for whatever definition of "confirmed" they use), so the figures do not reflect the actual number of infections. In a recent test of a representative sample of people in Belgium, 4.5% of those tested had corona virus anti-bodies in their blood, so must have been infected at one time or another. 4.5% of the Belgian population is a little over 500 000, yet Belgium only officially reported less than 50 000 confirmed cases. So there is a good argument to be made that the actual infection rate may be 10 times as high as the confirmed infection rate reported. Much will depend of course on how intensive these tests are being done. Except for countries such as South-Korea, Singapore or the worst hit areas in China, testing is nowhere near what is needed to get a good view on the actual spread of the infection.
Thailand, with almost 70 million people, will have much more than the less than 3000 "officially" infected people. How much will be the real value? That's anybody's guess.I think you meant to write 'how extensively these tests are being done'. Your point is spot on: widespread testing is the key to real good info.
You're assuming that many countries are going to trust WHO (the Chinese PR organization) for deciding who to allow entry in. I already know many European countries won't be allowing Chinese anytime soon, good for our FKK friends, less Chinese there. But less Chinese there means, more in Thailand. Which is not great for me and for many others. Most probably they will hike up the prices moment they come and larger their numbers the higher will be the effect. Just one of the scenario.I don't think many European countries will be attractive to most foreign tourists for quite sometime given the high numbers of infection.
Chinese are market price spoilers, that I agree.
Thai's love the lighter skin..............That's the main reason they love farang.
LittleBigMan
05-06-20, 01:57
Great points about travel restrictions and policies enforced by Thailand for tourists which will play a big role for economy. I've a feeling and just a feeling, that government will make very tourist-friendly policies to attract as many as possible. Things are already starting to open quicker than expected, and numbers of case are way down officially other than the spike we had the other day.
Which kinds of businesses? Smaller ones were expected but bigger ones can pay couple of months of bill, so if they're closing down, that would be surprising. And as far as I know, other than couple of gogos on WS, nothing has been closed officially by now. But the numbers of gogos will close with a much quicker rate if the usual low-season turned out to be too low.On the Darkside there aren't any GoGo's as you noted the majority of them are small business even before the virus how they stay opened was anyone guesses, these were paying 10,000 to 15,000 baht a month just for salons and massage shop. Sure this isn't big money compared to the rent in town but relative to the poor since that is the majority of Thais in Thailand reason leaders are trying to open things up.
When I drove around yesterday tough to really tell when it comes to Beer Bars but the quick look when there is no furniture stool etc empty box that is an indication and my drive down Soi 7-8, along Soi Buakhao area looks bleak. When you got cheap hotels many closed even one or two being torn down that is a lot of jobs for locals. When it comes to GoGo, it is impossible to tell until the ban is lifted on them my prior guess was 30% we will have to wait to see if I'm right or wrong.
Prior to the Virus I had just done a new map and listing for a friend on the Darkside for bars when the ban is lifted I will not have to travel and check who is actually open and close.
Mr Enternational
05-06-20, 03:27
Wonder why all the mixed Thai girls who look like white girls are more expensive than the others. Recently, I paid 2000 each for GFE service from these TF girls, when the others charged 1000-1500.They are not more expensive. You pay what you negotiate. The other day a chick told me 2000 for LT. I told her 1000. She immediately said okay. When she got here I asked her why she said 2000. She didn't say anything about her skin. She said because that is what guys at the Indian discos give her. Next time they come over ask them about their pricing strategy instead of us trying to guess at it.
Mr Enternational
05-06-20, 03:37
On the Darkside there aren't any GoGo's as you noted the majority of them are small business even before the virus how they stay opened was anyone guesses, these were paying 10,000 to 15,000 baht a month just for salons and massage shop. Sure this isn't big money compared to the rent in townI met a massage chick on WeChat a couple of weeks ago. She tried to get me for 500/hour to come over. No fucking way. Shop closed. So that means no shop to split the money with. You keep 100%. I pay you 200/hour. She gave in. Then she tried to send someone else. What is happening is that her and other girls from her shop are running the massages from the dating apps while the shop is closed. I said no way.. I want you to come, not someone I have not seen.
I had her stay 2 hours. When I tell you there were no extras on this menu. Even when I got up between hours to go to the toilet she ran clear to the other side of the room. I guess she thought I was going to try to attack her or something. Anyway, the shop she works at is on Walking Street. She said the rent for their shop is 150K/month.
That's the main reason they love farang.I thought they love farang baht. Most farang cannot speak Thai and are below average looking.
Welcome. Great first post. Do upgrade to a paid membership along with the PM (private messaging) privileges.+1.
His post was indeed quite good, would love to read more of his posts.
Mr Enternational
05-06-20, 06:51
they tried to touch my pocket. A lot of time they followed me. Or told me something that I ignored. They are aggressive with girls, they saw them as a sexual toys, for that they come as a group to envoy these toys with their friends. I know all of them are not like this. But 99% of them in beach road are dangerous, had a little budget, try to touch and kiss for free. They are dressed as if they walked in their villages. You are full of shit and this post has ZERO information in it. Nobody tried to touch your pockets unless it was a Thai ladyboy that you mistook for an Indian.
A dangerous Indian guy in Pattaya? Get the fuck out of here.
Newsflash: Everybody sees chicks as sexual toys; that is why guys come to Pattaya!
Little budget? Chicks tell me that Indian guys are the ones who pay the most. No need to lie to me; I pay the least and find it no badge of honor or pride to be a big spender in a hooker haven. And they are the biggest customers in Soapys. They go there by the busload and after they have chosen girls the fishbowl is empty. They built 4 new Indian discos on Walking Street because they have a little budget?
What made me pay more attention to this post was when I read you say they are dressed as if they walked in their villages. 9 times out of 10 when I see an Indian guy in Pattaya he is wearing what White guys are always recommending people wear in mongering cities around the world; freaking pants and a button down shirt. The other 1 out of 10 times it will be a tshirt or golf shirt to replace the button down shirt. I have been to India a couple of times and yes this is the same way I see them dressed there. But you wrote it trying to be derogatory and you ended up making no sense at all. How would YOU recommend they dress? Matter of fact, how were you dressed sir?
The only thing you said about Thailand in that long ass post was that you gave chicks 3000 for long time. You have not mentioned shit else besides people mistaking you for Indian at gogo bars. You did not name 1 gogo bar you visited and you did not mention where you got girls for 3000 LT. And mfs are saying what a great post this was? What was great about it? This is a troll post if I have ever seen one.
Mr Enternational
05-06-20, 07:27
Yesterday on Thai Friendly I ran into a chick that I knew. I have never fucked her, but I have met up with her at her job at a salon a couple of times. I said what the fuck? Why haven't you ansered my messages in Line? I have been trying to get with you but you don't answer. She said she does not play Line. She said that the memory on her phone was getting full so she deleted it. What does play Line mean? I see it as an essential communication application around these parts, not a game. To me what she was saying was akin to, "Damn my tool box is full, let me throw this hammer away. ".
I had a chick in Dominican Republic that was short on money for school. She said she would sell her computer to pay for school. I was like a deer in headlights. Well once you sell your computer how are you going to do your fucking school work? Why would you sell the car so that you can get gas money? She said you are right, I had not thought about that. Geez Louise.
Engine Driver
05-06-20, 07:33
I'm not a Thai culture expert, but is this look favorable amongst the Thais?Of course it is. Everyone in Asia wants to be white. Being dark means you toil in the sun as a poor farm labourer, and therefore, are right at the bottom of the pile. Most of the rich elite in Thailand have Chinese heritage, hence their very pale complexion. Even the former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra was Chinese Thai. It is very hard for Isaan girls to get respectable jobs (E. G. As office ladies) as they are discriminated against in their own country due to their dark complexion.
Same applies to the Philippines. The lighter skinned girls there have European blood and are seen as more desirable. India and Brazil are probably the worst countries in terms of discrimination based on variations in brown skin tones.
It's only the white mongers who lust after the dark skinned girls in Thailand and the Philippines.
Chonburi PR have posted details of the latest order from the Governor to their Facebook (not sure if links to Facebook are allowed under ISG's "No links to competing forums" rule).
I believe the list is of businesses ordered closed runs to 31 July 2020 - it is slightly confusing as Google translates the date as 31 Nov. July 63 but this seems to be a Google translate problem where "Nov" is inserted into Thai dates, of course there is only 30 days in November. 63 is Buddhist era number for 2020.
The list reads (don't blame me for repetition and strange translation, this is how Chonburi PR posted it):
Cinema, cinema.
Pub Bar Entertainment.
Amusement Park.
Playground in water market and flea market.
Zoo Zoo.
Roller blade skating place.
Fun Billiards table.
Bowling game cabinet.
Game Shop Internet shop.
Public pool.
Rooster Stadium.
Fitness.
Conference Center, show center.
Museum of museum..Almost the entire city of Pattaya relies on tourists or foreign income to be able to run. No tourists means no money. No money means businesses stay closed or reduce their overhead including staff. Reduced overhead means poor quality or services. Yes this even means "to go orders and not sit down at Burger King" which is still in effect as of today the 6th. And it also means no key money or corruption money for the government. So it all starts with the tourists and ends with the to tourists. And lastly, no vaccine, fear, travel restrictions, new travel requirements, increased travel costs (to make up for loss revenue) and reduced income means less money for travel. So yeah Pattaya and Thailand is pretty fucked. For a country that relied so much on foreign dollars, they could have handled this differently and not shift blame on foreigners or those who travel. I don't hear about flights crews who travel to different countries having to quarantine when they arrive back their home country. Eventually, you guys will realize this was all along about "control" "the haves and the have nots. " When the "haves of the world" fear, they will exert their control over "the have nots. " All about this thing called ego, power and control. Because if you look at these two pics. Ask yourself. "Were they really that necessary to break the masks and social distancing rules that they apply to others?" Yes l, you donate 2,000,000 baht. Thanks. But now is it necessary to take a photo and stand less than 1 meter for what purpose? Ego and power? What about the cops and the drug bust. Good job. But now why are they able to do that in the pic? Power and ego. Pattaya is pretty much shut down even as they try to reopen some businesses. Tourist spending just isn't there. So these locals better be fucking nice to me and the girls better all let me CIM because I've been here 60 days with God knows how many more, spending about 2500 baht per day on my entertainment, sex, and food. Accommodation are taken care of separate. This money comes from outside their country. Add insult to injury, the USA pulled trade privileges with Thailand so now the Thais are really getting screwed with no Vaseline. Not sure who runs this country, but their decision making sucks. So yeah, this is over when those in power don't fear anymore. And if you think the government is all too blame for loss jobs, who do you think asked them to shut down the businesses do to lack of customers and revenue. That way is easier to blame the government rather than say you are fired because I have no money to pay you. We learned this in MBA school and in school of "life. " It's called scapegoating. We are approaching chaos, where what we do doesn't even make sense anymore. The end must be near.
LittleBigMan
05-06-20, 10:37
I met a massage chick on WeChat a couple of weeks ago. She tried to get me for 500/hour to come over. No fucking way. Shop closed. So that means no shop to split the money with. You keep 100%. I pay you 200/hour. She gave in. Then she tried to send someone else. What is happening is that her and other girls from her shop are running the massages from the dating apps while the shop is closed. I said no way.. I want you to come, not someone I have not seen.
I had her stay 2 hours. When I tell you there were no extras on this menu. Even when I got up between hours to go to the toilet she ran clear to the other side of the room. I guess she thought I was going to try to attack her or something. Anyway, the shop she works at is on Walking Street. She said the rent for their shop is 150K/month.A coffee buddy uses WeChat, they are bugging him day and night. A standard narrow 2/3 level townhouse shop runs you 15,000 baht a month majority of the time these massage shops are empty, not sure how they afford it even if they are living in it my standard guess was they could because most likely got a Farang sending them money each month so this is the best they can do to get out of the business. So many don't have real education nor any income to ever attempt to open a shop like this reason as soon as they nap on to a Farang you hear them say " small money " this is the same for girls opening salons.
There aren't a lot of hanky panky massage places out here my regular place for 10 years have been closed and I can tell you having foot massages and Thai massages for the last ten years 3 plus times a week I'm starting to feel tight my brother has them come to his house that isn't my thing and I don't like going to their place since they usually don't have A / see my policy never do P4 P on your home ground you never know if you run into your neighbor?
I was told one of the top Gogo pays something like 500,000 baht a month on rent and that isn't including the key money needed each time to have the privilege of renewing on W. S. When I heard that I spend an evening courting the heads for nearly two hours trying to average the drinks, payroll etc. To figure if it was possible?
She said she does not play Line. She said that the memory on her phone was getting full so she deleted it. What does play Line mean? I see it as an essential communication application around these parts, not a game. To me what she was saying was akin to, "Damn my tool box is full, let me throw this hammer away. "She did a wrong translation from Thai to English.
When they say play computer, play internet, play phone or play anything else that is not related to a game, we should read "use", use the computer, use internet, use the phone.
So basically she said she doesn't use the Line application for whatever the reasons she quoted.
Yep, let's keep on confusing people to why it why not they should do something. Why are standards different for different people, different places, and different things? Franchises have more strict rules but their cleanliness and sanitation is better. Food stalls are poor and dirty in those areas but more relaxed. When people eat they are allowed to sit closer than 3 meters, mouths open, chewing food, and this is a droplet contagion. Yet when they sit, masked, they are expected to sit very far apart. Makes no sense at all. The people just want to know that the government sorta knows what it is doing. For the educated, we have no confidence in governments that are continually in debt and just print paper money or make people work longer and harder to make up for the inadequacy. By the way, the Tree Town food stalls just claimed the sidewalk in front of them. No more loitering or sitting on the sidewalk or carts. Chaos.
Blanquiceleste
05-06-20, 15:11
Once upon a time I spent 3000ST, 1500 BF, 1000 on drinks for this girl. Now she runs 2000, but does more freaky things because her options for customers is quite limited. So I introduced her to my friend, the "shocker" with a "snap. " What a champ!I have done Mook too and spent about the same amount of money. But she stayed for LT instead. And went pretty wild after a few rounds of tequila in the room. She can be a Barbie but don't let that fool you folks out there, she can easily turn into Annabel.
I think you guys are old enough to know that governments lie, stretch the truth, and hide things from the public right? How do I know? It's because as humans, we all do the same to each other. I can with 1000% sureness, tell you that "cause of death numbers" are easily manipulated and have been. I have first hand experience when it comes to crap like that. Somebody who is positive of COVID-19 can easily be listed as Acute Respiratory Failure upon death or Renal Failure upon death. Government funding of healthcare means government influence when it comes to the data... SNIPWrote the above a couple days back and saw this in the news today. Impressive for even Monkeypaw's standards. First hand knowledge is first hand knowledge. If you go back to my posts way back when, I spoke about being next to death beds and watching so many people take their last breaths, especially from HIV and AIDS. Hence bare back sex is now out the question for me. It's my prediction that one day, Coronavirus 19 will be equivalent to the common cold for the "right group of people" who have learned to build their own aura and immunity. The future of this world will be in the hands and minds of this group.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/official-u-s-coronavirus-death-toll-may-be-missing-many-n1201441
They are not more expensive. You pay what you negotiate. The other day a chick told me 2000 for LT. I told her 1000. She immediately said okay. When she got here I asked her why she said 2000. She didn't say anything about her skin. She said because that is what guys at the Indian discos give her. Next time they come over ask them about their pricing strategy instead of us trying to guess at it.I have no such luck. Call me "unlucky" Ducky. I've tried to to bargain before and got "no" as an answer. I've reached a point where guys on this site have sent in their Thai girl connections. Hey if you are stuck in your own home country and can't be here to help these girls eat or pay rent. Let Monkeypaw do the charity for you. Honestly, better me than another person on this board right? Lots of weirdos and psychos out there. I'm pretty transparent and you haven't heard a bad thing come out of these girls mouths about me, especially since I drink a lot of pineapple juice. Hopefully by know you understand the Monkeypaw standards to what I am willing to fuck. Nothing beats the gift of giving when you are able to help out a girl in need through these harsh and desperate times, even though you are thousands of miles away. All it takes is a quick message "My buddy is in Pattaya and since you need money, he needs hot girls. Click and send."
P.S. Unless you don't believe in this sharing is caring stuff. I was sitting and eating mangosteen on Buakhao and can tell you now, the psychos are out hawking desperate chicks offering as low as 200-300 baht or some food and alcohol in exchange for bareback sex. Like I said, better me or them? Who knows when they will run into the next guy like the Irish Briit with the machete.
LittleBigMan
05-07-20, 13:20
She did a wrong translation from Thai to English.
When they say play computer, play internet, play phone or play anything else that is not related to a game, we should read "use", use the computer, use internet, use the phone.
So basically she said she doesn't use the Line application for whatever the reasons she quoted.EXACTLY!
We take for granted and think because they speak some English that they can communicate exactly like us. They are missing so many words in their vocabulary so when they throw in a word they have used in the past to describe one situation and use it in another they don't know the meaning and think it is okay But it isn't it just confusing people if they aren't used to it. As you indicated they just play when it should be using " use ".
Another example when Mr. E, was having a conversation where he was located with the girl it was as simple as the girl not having enough vocabulary to tell him exactly where she was located so she use what she knew it can be confusing and frustrating to others. If she had the bullets in words she could describe exactly where she was located. I once use a word with a Thai lady said " do you realized " she snapped got angry " realized " was to her she was in the wrong and all her fault. Once I ducked and the knife flew by I never saw her again.
News just in on May 7th:
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1914240/pattaya-closes-eight-beaches
Beach closures with a vengeance. Not that it makes much difference since the beaches are not really swimmable. Still.
News just in on May 7th:
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1914240/pattaya-closes-eight-beaches
Beach closures with a vengeance. Not that it makes much difference since the beaches are not really swimmable. Still.Containing the spread of COVID-19 is just an excuse. No tourist means no money. Means government doesn't get money. So they will close. It's the same as why are some restaurants still closed and some are open. It's about how much business and they can make. So what closed Walking Street was the lack of customers. I was there. Walking into Palace at 11 pm to only 9 girls on stage and 4 customers was sad. Even I thought, it's time to put them out of their misery and close shop. So the business owners made a few calls to their government buddies they pay off. The staff can't get mad to the government, so take the blame for us. Send them all home and packing. Hopefully this make sense. Look who works those beaches (vendors and water sports providers and lot attendants with their chairs). All pay a kick back. People using and trashing the beach for free fucks the government up.
Pimpampoumpipo
05-07-20, 14:53
Beach closures with a vengeance. Not that it makes much difference since the beaches are not really swimmable. Still.There are the same stupid restrictions in France. I have the impression that all countries copy each other. It doesn't matter if the measures are absurd or not.
France is doing very well in this area. We are told that we will deconfine from May 11 but in fact there is almost nothing that changes and what will be released will be subject to such constraints that it will be unworkable or in indescribable chaos.
In my opinion the lockdown measures are absolutely not justified in Thailand if we consider the number of cases observed and the number of deaths. Mask wearing measures with common sense hygiene measures and ease of access to tests should be sufficient.
We have gone from a phase where we had to avoid the number of serious cases so as not to overload the hospitals to a phase where we must at all costs not catch the virus until we have found a vaccine. It's just impossible and completely disproportionate to covid-19 for which 80% of patients only need doliprane and rest.
GettingFedUp
05-07-20, 15:17
News just in on May 7th:
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1914240/pattaya-closes-eight-beaches
Beach closures with a vengeance. Not that it makes much difference since the beaches are not really swimmable. Still.On the face of it Bangkok Post is playing a belated game of catch up. All Chonburi beaches have been closed for the last month or more.
The only reasons I can think of for running the story now are to tell the Bangkok hoards not to take a trip to the seaside, or because Chonburi beaches other than Banglamung are to be opened (eg Bang Saray and Bang Saen), but this is pure speculation on my part.
GettingFedUp
05-07-20, 15:26
common sense hygiene measures and ease of access to tests should be sufficient.The strange thing about common sense is its rarity, particularly in Thailand, especially in Pattaya!
I have done Mook too and spent about the same amount of money. But she stayed for LT instead. And went pretty wild after a few rounds of tequila in the room. She can be a Barbie but don't let that fool you folks out there, she can easily turn into Annabel.What are your thoughts on her new nose? I prefer the original one to be honest. I can't ever take a girl long time (few occasions). It bothers me when they snore, breathe, move around or play on their phones. Normally, I drag them around to bars and other clubs, bang them, feed them, and send them home afterwards. I call it the 4 FS flaunt, fuck, feed and fifty (baht for taxi). Before the virus hit big time, I once barfine 4 girls from Palace. When to BONE with their special buy very nosey friend Kay. Partied like crazy and woke up the next day with 2 girls from Bacarra. No sex. I knew the girls from Baccara but I don't barfine them. They said they saw me walk around looking lost after the club was already shut down at 5 am. I had to pay them each 2000 for bringing me home. Not sure what happened that night. I blame it on Kay.
GettingFedUp
05-07-20, 15:50
It's just impossible and completely disproportionate to covid-19 for which 80% of patients only need doliprane and rest.The families of the 25,812 who have thus far died in France of Covid-19 may have a different view. That's about the same as the population of Biarritz or Rochefort gone, snuffed it, dfunt, mort.
Absolutely true. I remember going to movies in Thailand and watching all the ads before the movie started. The ads only showed young, very light skinned Thais. Not a darker, Isaan complexion ever was shown on the screen.
Thai's love the lighter skin, just look around at how much skin whitening creams and make-up are on sale.
No idea about local Thais but definitely in KL, where they are considered exotic / preferred. Just search for any KL escorts site and see Thai girls pictures, you will understand what I am saying.What I meant by "white" was not the color of skin. I meant more of the the "Eurasian" look. I get most Asian countries dig the white skin because it means that perhaps your lineage wasn't always poor rice farmers working in the hot sun. In the Philippines, "mestizas" are held in high regard. Not sure which is more preferred the Chinita mestiza (Chinese) or the Western mestiza. So that was what I was asking. Do the Thais prefer the Chinese mix look or the Western mix look as a higher standard. Go go bar girls will do what attracts their favorite customers with big bucks. I've seen them morph from Darkies all the way to the Korean or Japanese look. I go with whatever I'm attracted to, usually big eyes, slim, petite, long legs and hair, whatever that look is called. I wonder what the ranking would be especially looking at their beauty pageant winners history and movie stars. Maybe, they charge or want more to recover their surgical expenses is my guess.
Danny Duck
05-07-20, 18:52
I have no such luck. Call me "unlucky" Ducky. I've tried to to bargain before and got "no" as an answer. I've reached a point where guys on this site have sent in their Thai girl connections. Hey if you are stuck in your own home country and can't be here to help these girls eat or pay rent. Let Monkeypaw do the charity for you. Honestly, better me than another person on this board right? Lots of weirdos and psychos out there. I'm pretty transparent and you haven't heard a bad thing come out of these girls mouths about me, especially since I drink a lot of pineapple juice. Hopefully by know you understand the Monkeypaw standards to what I am willing to fuck. Nothing beats the gift of giving when you are able to help out a girl in need through these harsh and desperate times, even though you are thousands of miles away. All it takes is a quick message "My buddy is in Pattaya and since you need money, he needs hot girls. Click and send."
P.S. Unless you don't believe in this sharing is caring stuff. I was sitting and eating mangosteen on Buakhao and can tell you now, the psychos are out hawking desperate chicks offering as low as 200-300 baht or some food and alcohol in exchange for bareback sex. Like I said, better me or them? Who knows when they will run into the next guy like the Irish Briit with the machete.I find it pretty much a waste of time to Bargain. The girls know what they are worth.
Example. All girls will start at say 2,500ST. Those who regularly get guys to pay 2,500 will not give you 50% discount. Now those fuglies sure will give you a huge discount. Its mostly a matter what a guy fancies. Those that like discounted girls like a girl who's face is not one of her strong points. Maybe a bit hefty, or too dark.
About Indians. Hahahaha.
I like LBM take on the economics of Pattaya. Personally for the majority of Pattaya girls I just don't see how they make money. In popular Nana Bar I see 10 girls barfined in 15 minutes many a time. In Pattaya one girl is barfined in one hour.
Danny Duck
05-07-20, 19:59
The families of the 25,812 who have thus far died in France of Covid-19 may have a different view. That's about the same as the population of Biarritz or Rochefort gone, snuffed it, dfunt, mort.We all don't want people to die. Got Milk?
However you cannot shut down the world because old People are dying a bit more than usual.
Hey folks,
Just got gone reading the past 100 pages here, and while the past 30 are pretty corona specific, I have found out a TON of information. I thought I would share this for everyone who might want to be considering a trip there when things open up. Just FYI. I have a trip booked in Jan, and before I get the haters telling me it's high season, it's the only time I could pull away that far for a week, so willing to brave the crowds. Also, my guess is that it won't nearly be as crowded next year given Corona, and I don't' want to have moist balls all day while I'm outside, I like to save that for when they are in a girls mouth.
Mr. Ent (and many many others) knows what the fuck is up. He is boots on the ground, knows his shit, and likes to fuck women. Period. This guy has been a solid contributor for a long time. Many others fall into this category as well, but he stands out for sure with his no-bullshit attitude. Bro, I'm really hoping to pick your brain about my wishlist closer to my trip. Will do a lot of planning but would be nice to buy you a beer for all the amazing work you put into this board
Hotels - people vary a lot. Some people like are adamant about AirBNB, some like hotels, some like The Hilton, some Queen Victoria. In my short answer, I'm going to stay someplace in between Soi6 and walking street. No idea where yet, but will likey grab something in Dec to ensure my deposit doesn't just melt away with so many things closing
Soapies - some people like them, some people don't. Maybe overpriced, may not be. Each person has their own budget - but the idea of a beautiful woman who is above average giving me a soapy sounds like a great fucking break in between blowjobs, short times and breaks for food
GoGos - some people hate these, and most people agree they are overpriced. To me, it's a cheaper version of an American strip club. I love the idea of buying 3-4 girls' drinks while they put their titties in my face and jerk me off there. This sounds fucking great if you have the money. If you don't, or just don't like to spend big - they stay away
SOI 6 - sounds like people like this, and then hate it as well. A mix of hotels, restaurants, bars, and places where you can get a girl if you are not just ugly, or an asshole. Grab a girl, sit down with a drink, chill, and get blown. If you like it, get their number and LT later, or just ST then. I mean, seriously, it sounds like you can grab lunch, sit around playing with titties, get a blow job, and all in you are less than $50 USD. Guys - I have paid more for a burger and beer in some places in the USA for that kind of money. This is the place I'm going to start my hunting each day that I don't have a online chick lined up
Walking Street - A lot of people are pissed off it got too commercial. Sorry guys, the world changes. Sounds like it could be a lot of fun, or a whole lot of rip off pending who you are, how you act, what money you have or don't have, and whom you are with or not with. Tons of variables, and likely a pretty solid hunting ground if you are willing to pay a bit more. Plus, seriously, there is a Hooters there. Gotta bang a hooters girl, in uniform, this is a bucket list item for me.
Beach Walkers - Most people agree that the quality here is a lot lower, but the price point is much lower as well. I have seen a few success stories, including that one where a guy could not have sex due to emergency surgery and he met a nice girl there who took care of him and gave him a two-hour blowjob... holy fuck, I need to get that girls number. But for the vast majority of people, they are telling me it's pretty slim pickings or gotta be a little desperate. You may find a gem, but gotta be willing to dig
TF/TM - sounds like the girls play the game here too. Have a healthy mix of girls on there, plus your enjoyment from the street, bars, etc. Catfishing seems high on this, but asking for recent pics, and telling girls to take a hike if they are not themselves seems a common way. Most guys have not said this, but meet the girls in a lobby or somewhere else, if you wait until they get to your room, you might lower your standards A LOT just out of convenience.
Money - some people are locals, some people are cheap-ass / broke visitors, some people are 2-week millionaires, and almost every level in between... almost all of them dislike the others for some reason or another. Here is my stance: Nice to know the going rates, don't overpay, but if you want to splurge and get 4 girls at a time for a nice group BBBJ and fuck, I'm not about to sit there and think "is this really worth the $150 to me, or should I try to pull it down to $130. Spend your money wisely, don't flaunt it, don't be an asshole, and if you play your cards right you can get great service for a great price.
Food - I went back literally 100 pages guys - and I saw THREE restaurants listed. Pattaya brewhouse, SandMan sports bar, and Hooters. Nice to see where our priorities are :) If anyone has any suggestions, more than
Maps - I found a couple of maps. But they were WAY outdated. I made one that has almost every bar, BJ bar, hotel, gogo bar, soapie, etc on it. I need to find a way to share it anonymously, but once I do, I will share it with you all. I have no idea how accurate it's going to be after coronavirus, but I will try my best to update it then.
White people - Most everyone on here thinks most punters are 50+ white people out of shape. Also, if you are white, expect the girls to always ask you for more money. Fuck that noise. I'm a lot younger, in shape, and want the girls to want me physically too. I know the primary rule, don't fall for a working girl and they will tell you anything. But you get WAY better service from my experience if they are attracted to your body and your wallet.
Be specific Tons of guys want to bareback, most want anal, most want CIM, etc. Tell a girl upfront, and don't wait to get surprised. This may be a bit easier While this is a bit candid, most people are saying here it's pretty par for the course. Hi, nice to meet you, I'm in Pattaya this week, want to meet up? (Sure!) - Great, I want BBBJ, and cum on your face with tongue out
Privacy -in short, don't expect it. There are cameras, of all types, everywhere, videobloggers, etc. If you are that concerned, wear glasses or a hat, and know you still may end up on one of the many YouTube videos of Pattaya. HeyYYZ, is that you getting blown in that video? Nope, wasn't me. (It was)
That being said gents. I'm boots on the ground (fingers crossed nothing major changes) on January 22nd 2021. If anyone wants a hunting partner, or if you are local and I can buy you a beer and a BJ as a thank you for all the info, reach out!
Pimpampoumpipo
05-07-20, 21:27
The families of the 25,812 who have thus far died in France of Covid-19 may have a different view. That's about the same as the population of Biarritz or Rochefort gone, snuffed it, dfunt, mort.Thank you for your empathy for the deaths of covid-19 in France and their families.
What I am saying is the lack of discernment of the measures taken by governments and their improvisation. Although I understand that the situation is unprecedented, that we have no knowledge about covid-19 and that visibility is fair from one day to the next.
But rather than closing the beaches, leaving the entire population confined and sinking the economy, is it not better to confine populations with risk? People with comorbidity and the elderly (and often both)?
I remind that to date there are 55 dead in Thailand because of covid-19.
Maybe there is more deaths from crossing 2nd road in Pattaya each year than deaths from covid-19 in all of Thailand.
Luckyguy7198
05-07-20, 21:58
Hey folks,
Just got gone reading the past 100 pages here, and while the past 30 are pretty corona specific, I have found out a TON of information. I thought I would share this for everyone who might want to be considering a trip there when things open up. Just FYI. I have a trip booked in Jan, and before I get the haters telling me it's high season, it's the only time I could pull away that far for a week, so willing to brave the crowds. Also, my guess is that it won't nearly be as crowded next year given Corona, and I don't' want to have moist balls all day while I'm outside, I like to save that for when they are in a girls mouth.
Mr. Ent (and many many others) knows what the fuck is up. He is boots on the ground, knows his shit, and likes to fuck women. Period. This guy has been a solid contributor for a long time. Many others fall into this category as well, but he stands out for sure with his no-bullshit attitude. Bro, I'm really hoping to pick your brain about my wishlist closer to my trip. Will do a lot of planning but would be nice to buy you a beer for all the amazing work you put into this board
Hotels - people vary a lot. Some people like are adamant about AirBNB, some like hotels, some like The Hilton, some Queen Victoria. In my short answer, I'm going to stay someplace in between Soi6 and walking street. No idea where yet, but will likey grab something in Dec to ensure my deposit doesn't just melt away with so many things closing
Soapies - some people like them, some people don't. Maybe overpriced, may not be. Each person has their own budget - but the idea of a beautiful woman who is above average giving me a soapy sounds like a great fucking break in between blowjobs, short times and breaks for food
GoGos - some people hate these, and most people agree they are overpriced. To me, it's a cheaper version of an American strip club. I love the idea of buying 3-4 girls' drinks while they put their titties in my face and jerk me off there. This sounds fucking great if you have the money. If you don't, or just don't like to spend big - they stay away
SOI 6 - sounds like people like this, and then hate it as well. A mix of hotels, restaurants, bars, and places where you can get a girl if you are not just ugly, or an asshole. Grab a girl, sit down with a drink, chill, and get blown. If you like it, get their number and LT later, or just ST then. I mean, seriously, it sounds like you can grab lunch, sit around playing with titties, get a blow job, and all in you are less than $50 USD. Guys - I have paid more for a burger and beer in some places in the USA for that kind of money. This is the place I'm going to start my hunting each day that I don't have a online chick lined up
Walking Street - A lot of people are pissed off it got too commercial. Sorry guys, the world changes. Sounds like it could be a lot of fun, or a whole lot of rip off pending who you are, how you act, what money you have or don't have, and whom you are with or not with. Tons of variables, and likely a pretty solid hunting ground if you are willing to pay a bit more. Plus, seriously, there is a Hooters there. Gotta bang a hooters girl, in uniform, this is a bucket list item for me.
Beach Walkers - Most people agree that the quality here is a lot lower, but the price point is much lower as well. I have seen a few success stories, including that one where a guy could not have sex due to emergency surgery and he met a nice girl there who took care of him and gave him a two-hour blowjob... holy fuck, I need to get that girls number. But for the vast majority of people, they are telling me it's pretty slim pickings or gotta be a little desperate. You may find a gem, but gotta be willing to dig
TF/TM - sounds like the girls play the game here too. Have a healthy mix of girls on there, plus your enjoyment from the street, bars, etc. Catfishing seems high on this, but asking for recent pics, and telling girls to take a hike if they are not themselves seems a common way. Most guys have not said this, but meet the girls in a lobby or somewhere else, if you wait until they get to your room, you might lower your standards A LOT just out of convenience.
Money - some people are locals, some people are cheap-ass / broke visitors, some people are 2-week millionaires, and almost every level in between... almost all of them dislike the others for some reason or another. Here is my stance: Nice to know the going rates, don't overpay, but if you want to splurge and get 4 girls at a time for a nice group BBBJ and fuck, I'm not about to sit there and think "is this really worth the $150 to me, or should I try to pull it down to $130. Spend your money wisely, don't flaunt it, don't be an asshole, and if you play your cards right you can get great service for a great price.
Food - I went back literally 100 pages guys - and I saw THREE restaurants listed. Pattaya brewhouse, SandMan sports bar, and Hooters. Nice to see where our priorities are :) If anyone has any suggestions, more than
Maps - I found a couple of maps. But they were WAY outdated. I made one that has almost every bar, BJ bar, hotel, gogo bar, soapie, etc on it. I need to find a way to share it anonymously, but once I do, I will share it with you all. I have no idea how accurate it's going to be after coronavirus, but I will try my best to update it then.
White people - Most everyone on here thinks most punters are 50+ white people out of shape. Also, if you are white, expect the girls to always ask you for more money. Fuck that noise. I'm a lot younger, in shape, and want the girls to want me physically too. I know the primary rule, don't fall for a working girl and they will tell you anything. But you get WAY better service from my experience if they are attracted to your body and your wallet.
Be specific Tons of guys want to bareback, most want anal, most want CIM, etc. Tell a girl upfront, and don't wait to get surprised. This may be a bit easier While this is a bit candid, most people are saying here it's pretty par for the course. Hi, nice to meet you, I'm in Pattaya this week, want to meet up? (Sure!) - Great, I want BBBJ, and cum on your face with tongue out
Privacy -in short, don't expect it. There are cameras, of all types, everywhere, videobloggers, etc. If you are that concerned, wear glasses or a hat, and know you still may end up on one of the many YouTube videos of Pattaya. HeyYYZ, is that you getting blown in that video? Nope, wasn't me. (It was)
That being said gents. I'm boots on the ground (fingers crossed nothing major changes) on January 22nd 2021. If anyone wants a hunting partner, or if you are local and I can buy you a beer and a BJ as a thank you for all the info, reach out!Good intel and ideas. Bang on and thank you for regurgitating the stuff that mattered before this pandemic.
Thank you for your empathy for the deaths of covid-19 in France and their families.
What I am saying is the lack of discernment of the measures taken by governments and their improvisation. Although I understand that the situation is unprecedented, that we have no knowledge about covid-19 and that visibility is fair from one day to the next.
But rather than closing the beaches, leaving the entire population confined and sinking the economy, is it not better to confine populations with risk? People with comorbidity and the elderly (and often both)?
I remind that to date there are 55 dead in Thailand because of covid-19.
Maybe there is more deaths from crossing 2nd road in Pattaya each year than deaths from covid-19 in all of Thailand.I don't want to get into a drawn out discussion of what governments should be doing, but look at the case of Sweden. They quarantined the elderly and other at risk people, and had no social distancing for others, to try to build herd immunity. Despite being a low pop density country with great healthcare and infrastructure, they haven't fared well compared to similar countries with stricter lockdowns.
Thank you for your empathy for the deaths of covid-19 in France and their families.
What I am saying is the lack of discernment of the measures taken by governments and their improvisation. Although I understand that the situation is unprecedented, that we have no knowledge about covid-19 and that visibility is fair from one day to the next.
But rather than closing the beaches, leaving the entire population confined and sinking the economy, is it not better to confine populations with risk? People with comorbidity and the elderly (and often both)?
I remind that to date there are 55 dead in Thailand because of covid-19.
Maybe there is more deaths from crossing 2nd road in Pattaya each year than deaths from covid-19 in all of Thailand.That 55 dead number is ridiculously low. If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Dijon, France I can sell you at a cheap price. I personally know of 2 people in Buriram that died. One was a lifelong, dear friend in his early 60's with no known underlying medical issues. At the time of his death the governor of Buriram was reporting zero cases in a news article. Obvious lies as my friend's wife was also in the hospital with C19 as well (she survived).
I agree we need to keep the at risk population at home and start to open businesses back up. We can't keep the World shut forever. I do have a concern about younger people going back to work and spreading it to their elders. And I miss my grandchildren.
Hey folks,
Just got gone reading the past 100 pages here, and while the past 30 are pretty corona specific, I have found out a TON of information. I thought I would share this for everyone who might want to be considering a trip there when things open up. Just FYI. I have a trip booked in Jan, and before I get the haters telling me it's high season, it's the only time I could pull away that far for a week, so willing to brave the crowds. Also, my guess is that it won't nearly be as crowded next year given Corona, and I don't' want to have moist balls all day while I'm outside, I like to save that for when they are in a girls mouth.
[INDENT]
Mr. Ent (and many many others) knows what the fuck is up. He is boots on the ground, knows his shit, and likes to fuck women. Period. This guy has been a solid contributor for a long time. Many others fall into this category as well, but he stands out for sure with his no-bullshit attitude. Bro, I'm really hoping to pick your brain about my wishlist closer to my trip. Will do a lot of planning but would be nice to buy you a beer for all the amazing work you put into this board
Hotels - people vary a lot. Some people like are adamant about AirBNB, some like hotels, some like The Hilton, some Queen Victoria. In my short answer, I'm going to stay someplace in between Soi6 and walking street. No idea where yet, but will likey grab something in Dec to ensure my deposit doesn't just melt away with so many things closing
Soapies - some people like them, some people don't. Maybe overpriced, may not be. Each person has their own budget - but the idea of a beautiful woman who is above average giving me a soapy sounds like a great fucking break in between blowjobs, short times and breaks for food
GoGos - some people hate these, and most people agree they are overpriced. To me, it's a cheaper version of an American strip club. I love the idea of buying 3-4 girls' drinks while they put their titties in my face and jerk me off there. This sounds fucking great if you have the money. If you don't, or just don't like to spend big - they stay away.Thanks for change the conversation about the virus and finally write something I'm interested to read.
About the map, it'd be awesome if you can share it!
Bdonkadonk
05-08-20, 00:28
... Maybe there is more deaths from crossing 2nd road in Pattaya each year than deaths from covid-19 in all of Thailand.Could very well be so. Don't know how many died when crossing 2nd road last year. One thing is certain and that is the number of people dying from road accidents in Thailand during one year will be so much higher than those who will die from Covid-19 in Thailand this year. Most Thai people don't care about the danger of the careless traffic and take risks going with their motorbikes too fast and sometimes without even helmets. Some Thai people think that it is their destiny (buddhist belief) if they will die in a motorbike accident, and just don't seem to care, but when I was in Thailand recently I didn't hear one Thai person saying they didn't care about getting sick in Covid-19 and if dying, that it would be their destiny. Many were scared of getting sick or passing it on to their parents for example, the elder generation.
Mr Enternational
05-08-20, 01:15
One thing is certain and that is the number of people dying from road accidents in Thailand during one year will be so much higher than those who will die from Covid-19 in Thailand this year. Most Thai people don't care about the danger of the careless traffic and take risks going with their motorbikes too fast and sometimes without even helmets. Some Thai people think that it is their destiny (buddhist belief) if they will die in a motorbike accident, and just don't seem to care, but when I was in Thailand recently I didn't hear one Thai person saying they didn't care about getting sick in Covid-19 and if dying, that it would be their destiny. Many were scared of getting sick or passing it on to their parents for example, the elder generation.LOL. Boy these mfs are funny as shit. Chick I picked up last night didn't want to put her helmet on and didn't want to take her mask off! She still had that mask on 5 minutes after we got to the room. I had to tell her to take it off. Bih had the nerve to tell me how important it is to be safe. You were not telling me that when I was handing you that helmet. I guess they pick their own poison. Already more people have died in drunk driving accidents since they opened alcohol back up on Sunday than have died from Covid in the past few months.
https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/cv19-asia/cv19-thailand/lifting-of-alcohol-ban-sees-resurgence-in-road-carnage
LittleBigMan
05-08-20, 01:52
The strange thing about common sense is its rarity, particularly in Thailand, especially in Pattaya!Yes, not only in Pattaya when it comes to Bacteria / Hygiene it isn't taught in the Thai government school, what little is can't be applied or re-enforced in general in a poor Thai home.
I find it pretty much a waste of time to Bargain. The girls know what they are worth.
Example. All girls will start at say 2,500ST. Those who regularly get guys to pay 2,500 will not give you 50% discount. Now those fuglies sure will give you a huge discount. Its mostly a matter what a guy fancies. Those that like discounted girls like a girl who's face is not one of her strong points. Maybe a bit hefty, or too dark.
About Indians. Hahahaha.
I like LBM take on the economics of Pattaya. Personally for the majority of Pattaya girls I just don't see how they make money. In popular Nana Bar I see 10 girls barfined in 15 minutes many a time. In Pattaya one girl is barfined in one hour.I have never been much of a Price Policeman and I generally agree with you that girls who know they can get a customer for their asking price in 10 minutes are not likely to give you a 50% discount out of desperation.
But I will say there is value in engaging in some form of the bargaining process even if you don't get a 50% discount, if you only get a 20% discount and even if you get no discount at all from their initial asking price.
For one, it conveys the message to the girl that the money and what you get for it matters to you.
And for another, you might agree to pay her asking price (if she will not budge from it) but only if you get this and that in the room, things that are really important to you but are not typically on the regular menu.
That is bargaining/negotiating for better "assured" and agreed upon service rather than for a lower price. Often MUCH better service.
I am a big fan of that form of bargaining, particularly when a 500 baht difference either way is relatively meaningless. Hell, 1,000 baht difference is often meaningless to me if it is the difference between getting exactly what I want from this exact girl I want or walking away to continue shopping and spending on drinks (if only for myself) and other shit along the way.
IMO, there is real value in making the effort to bargain for at least those two reasons.
Mr Enternational
05-08-20, 02:53
I find it pretty much a waste of time to Bargain. The girls know what they are worth.
Example. All girls will start at say 2,500ST. Those who regularly get guys to pay 2,500 will not give you 50% discount.So you know this because you have tried it many times and it never worked? Because the 47kg (I have a scale in my room and she got on it talking about how she gained 2kg) light skinned chick that is in my bed right now told me 2000 baht for short time yesterday. She told me she used to work at Peppermint Agogo. I told her 2000 baht, NEVER. I pay 500 baht for short time and 1000 baht for long time. We settled on 700 baht for short time. 65% discount? 14 hours later and she is still here. But I will write that report on what a big waste of time taking 2 seconds to bargain was later.
P.S. They are renting pussy. It cost them nothing. They were born with it. Know what they are worth? LOL. Tell that to the Thai guy that has had his foot in her ass her whole life and see what he thinks about it. Sounds like you are playing the simp card.
Danny Duck
05-08-20, 03:53
Say you pay 4,000 for an average Happy girl just because you like her. I say don't worry that you are inflating the market price for others, the frugal types. The market price is based on millions of transactions over time. If the avg girl thinks she is going to get 4,000 every time time she will prolly starve to death. The market doesn't support the 4 k.
Do you really think a fella who gets 50% off regularly is keeping market prices down for all of us? NO. More like the quality just isn't there.
You make the call. I say spend what you want.
Banana Boi
05-08-20, 06:11
moved my COVID post to General Reports thread where it belongs.
GettingFedUp
05-08-20, 07:50
That 55 dead number is ridiculously low. If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Dijon, France I can sell you at a cheap price. I personally know of 2 people in Buriram that died. One was a lifelong, dear friend in his early 60's with no known underlying medical issues. At the time of his death the governor of Buriram was reporting zero cases in a news article. Obvious lies as my friend's wife was also in the hospital with C19 as well (she survived).My condolences.
Are you sure he was early 60's?
Case 744 reported by Ministry of Pubic Health 24-March, American Male aged 69 described in Thairaith as having chronic kidney disease, admitted to hospital in Buriram 9 March, intubated 23 March (which ties in with your post of 26 March), passed 7 April as death number 30. (https://data.go.th/dataset/covid-19-daily and https://www.thairath.co.th/news/local/1815129 in Thai).
It was around 23 - 24 March that the previous requirement for all positive tests to be re-tested at a second laboratory in Bangkok was removed as it was taking the best part of a week or more to get confirmed results, resulting in a surge in the case count around then as the dam was removed. I'm not defending this, just telling how it was.
As to the Dijon oceanfront property, I'm afraid it just doesn't cut the moutarde.
14 hours later and she is still here.I'm living vicariously through you right now; Bro, you really know how to bargain down and fuck these girls. You are right, it's a fucking commodity, and with the buyers down, and the girls still needing money it's a buyers market.
My condolences.
Are you sure he was early 60's?
Case 744 reported by Ministry of Pubic Health 24-March, American Male aged 69 described in Thairaith as having chronic kidney disease, admitted to hospital in Buriram 9 March, intubated 23 March (which ties in with your post of 26 March), passed 7 April as death number 30. (https://data.go.th/dataset/covid-19-daily and https://www.thairath.co.th/news/local/1815129 in Thai).
It was around 23 - 24 March that the previous requirement for all positive tests to be re-tested at a second laboratory in Bangkok was removed as it was taking the best part of a week or more to get confirmed results, resulting in a surge in the case count around then as the dam was removed. I'm not defending this, just telling how it was.
As to the Dijon oceanfront property, I'm afraid it just doesn't cut the moutarde.Interesting. Could be the same person. Thanks for posting this as the information I was given was sketchy.
Mr Enternational
05-08-20, 15:09
One person's tribulation is another person's triumph. This Covid thing is still going my way. When I met the soapy chick that wanted 500 for short time, I said I was sure I could get her to come long time for 700. I never said anything to her about it, but today she hit me up asking to come long time for 800. I declined her offer because my girlfriend is off on weekends and she comes over. Just talked to her and she is too tired and will wait to come tomorrow though, so I have another free chick on the way.
I have a trip booked in January.
Hotels - Some people like are adamant about AirBNB, some like hotels, some like The Hilton, some Queen Victoria. In my short answer, I'm going to stay someplace in between Soi6 and walking street. No idea where yet, but will likely grab something in Dec to ensure my deposit doesn't just melt away with so many things closing.
SOI 6 - sounds like people like this, and then hate it as well. A mix of hotels, restaurants, bars, and places where you can get a girl if you are not just ugly, or an asshole. Grab a girl, sit down with a drink, chill, and get blown. If you like it, get their number and LT later, or just ST then. I mean, seriously, it sounds like you can grab lunch, sit around playing with titties, get a blow job, and all in you are less than $50 USD. Guys - I have paid more for a burger and beer in some places in the USA for that kind of money. This is the place I'm going to start my hunting each day that I don't have a online chick lined up
Walking Street - A lot of people are pissed off it got too commercial. Sorry guys, the world changes. Sounds like it could be a lot of fun, or a whole lot of rip off pending who you are, how you act, what money you have or don't have, and whom you are with or not with. Tons of variables, and likely a pretty solid hunting ground if you are willing to pay a bit more. Plus, seriously, there is a Hooters there. Gotta bang a hooters girl, in uniform, this is a bucket list item for me.
Money - Nice to know the going rates, don't overpay, but if you want to splurge and get 4 girls at a time for a nice group BBBJ and fuck, I'm not about to sit there and think "is this really worth the $150 to me, or should I try to pull it down to $130. Spend your money wisely, don't flaunt it, don't be an asshole, and if you play your cards right you can get great service for a great price.
Food - I went back literally 100 pages guys - and I saw THREE restaurants listed. Pattaya Brewhouse, SandMan sports bar, and Hooters.
Maps - I found a couple of maps. But they were WAY outdated.
I'm boots on the ground (fingers crossed nothing major changes) on January 22nd 2021. KUDOS to Mr. Travel for doing what everybody should do, which is go back several months and read old posts to get the general lay of the land. I realize the signal-to-noise ratio here is sometimes poor. But judging by his most recent post, Mr. Travel skipped a few salient points.
TIMING -- My personal view is that January of 2021 is too soon. I just don't think the virus concerns will have receded by then. I know he says he has a "deposit." But I recommend caution. Better to forfeit a hotel deposit than sink good money after bad.
HOTELS -- You realize there's a separate thread for hotel information, right? I've long recommended the Whitehouse Condotel for first-timers, mostly because the location is so good. Search my my prior reviews.
SOI 6 -- You seem to have the impression that oral sex is available in the bar, in a semi-public setting. While I'm sure that's occurred in the past, it's not commonplace. Indeed, an increasing number of Soi 6 bars are open to the street these days. Finally, as you noted elsewhere, the soi is crawling with people recording the scene. If you want a blowjob from a Soi 6 girl, you'll probably have to pay the bar for a short time room upstairs and retire there. If doing it in the bar proper is your thing, check out the Soi Bongkot gentlemen clubs.
HOOTERS -- It's not on Walking Street, it's considerably farther north.
MONEY -- You're free to measure relative value against what's available in the United States at USA Prices. But please know this will draw the ire of The Pattaya Price Police, who argue (with some logic) that it's a micro-economy that should be evaluated in isolation from what adult fun might cost elsewhere in the world. I *generally* agree that for your typical guy on holiday it doesn't make sense to haggle too hard over 500 baht here or there. But as the Thais say: Up To You.
FOOD -- There is quite a bit of food discussion here. You must have scrolled past it. Check out the food stalls on the west side of Soi Buakao, just north of Tree Town for a wide selection of farang-friendly chow with tables and chairs to eat. If you're jetlagged your first few days (and who isn't?) check out the Casa Pascal breakfast buffet. You're welcome.
MAPS -- I realize it's heresy in this age of Google, but buy an old-fashioned map today and study it while you prepare for your trip. You'll get a general idea of where things are more easily than you would looking at a map online. I recommend the Groovy Map of Pattaya, which you can buy from Amazon. And don't forget to learn where the major baht buses run.
KUDOS to Mr. Travel for doing what everybody should do, which is go back several months and read old posts to get the general lay of the land. I realize the signal-to-noise ratio here is sometimes poor. But judging by his most recent post, Mr. Travel skipped a few salient points.Thank you for all of this! I don't have a deposit yet; I have a flight booked, but I grabbed it on a super flash sale. I got Delta one from the states for about 8 x lower than the usual cost. I can cancel if needed, and would only lose about $300 USD. I don't have a hotel yet. Maps wise, I saw your post before on this and I already bought the map (https://www.amazon.com/Groovy-Pattaya-2015-Map-Guide/dp/9745251895/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=&pldnSite=1)! Sorry for missing the restaurants, I swear I added them to my map as I saw then, but thanks for the suggestion about Casa Pascal. I know about the hotel thread and did a deep dive in there already Right now, Whitehouse Condotel looks great!! Here is my tip for jetlag for everyone. Having done about 30+ USA. Asia trips here is my secret. If this doesn't work for you, or you don't like it, or believe it, I'm not worried. Just sharing what works for me.
Calculate your arrival time and start working backward about 2-3 days ahead of time. Stay up LATE and force yourself to be tired. Annoying, but if you want to make the best of you trip, and can afford to be tired at home, this part is pretty critical
Tminus two days, start skipping meals on your time zone. Snacking is fine, but no major meals. This will throw your body off its the usual routine.
Try not to skimp on the flight if you can - if you can, rest well. As stated above, I often plan my visits around the flights, not the dates
Get on the plane and stay awake during the time zone you are going to. Sleep when it's night there (Ambien + alcohol helps), and wake up when you would wake up in the timezone you are landing.
Eat meals on the time zone you are landing in, and eat big. If you are not hungry, force your body to eat here as it will need energy to digest the food and help you adjust to the sleeping hours faster
Once you land, stay awake: Redbull, exercise and if you are tired - DON'T LAY DOWN UNLESS YOU ARE FUCKING
Danny Duck
05-08-20, 17:58
Prices without face pictures is meaningless.
Jimmy Boy 99
05-08-20, 22:58
So you know this because you have tried it many times and it never worked? Because the 47kg (I have a scale in my room and she got on it talking about how she gained 2kg) light skinned chick that is in my bed right now told me 2000 baht for short time yesterday. She told me she used to work at Peppermint Agogo. I told her 2000 baht, NEVER. I pay 500 baht for short time and 1000 baht for long time. We settled on 700 baht for short time. 65% discount? 14 hours later and she is still here. But I will write that report on what a big waste of time taking 2 seconds to bargain was later.
P.S. They are renting pussy. It cost them nothing. They were born with it. Know what they are worth? LOL. Tell that to the Thai guy that has had his foot in her ass her whole life and see what he thinks about it. Sounds like you are playing the simp card.You're forgetting that very few (if any) other mongers have your charm and sexual attractiveness to Thai women, since you are the only one posting that he is getting ex go go girls (not Beach Road skanks) for 700 baht ST, as well as multiple freebie girls. Granted you are in Pattaya, which may be cheaper than Bangkok, since the rate there seems to be 2-3000 baht for non-street girls (per Gargano19 and EihTooms), but even Monkey Paw, who is also in Pattaya, is paying double or triple what you are paying for them.
You're forgetting that very few (if any) other mongers have your charm and sexual attractiveness to Thai women, since you are the only one posting that he is getting ex go go girls for 700 baht ST, as well as multiple freebie girls. Granted you are in Pattaya, which may be cheaper than Bangkok, since the rate there seems to be 2-3000 baht for non-street girls (per Gargano and EihTooms), but even Monkey Paw, who is also in Pattaya, is paying double or triple what you are paying for them.It's funny, I seem to achieve pretty much the same price points as Mr E on my best days, even though I mostly lack charm (but I'm a half decent negotiator). Also it doesn't read "horny bastard" on my forehead, which may help. It's more or less like buying a car, nothing remarkable about it. Totally doable. Up to you.
You're forgetting that very few (if any) other mongers have your charm and sexual attractiveness to Thai women, since you are the only one posting that he is getting ex go go girls (not Beach Road skanks) for 700 baht ST, as well as multiple freebie girls.It's not Mr E's good looks, wit and charm that is securing these deals. It's that he is there, now and dependable. I'm also guessing he treats the girls in a tolerable way so that they can provide positive references to their friends. Believe me positive or negative news spreads quickly.
I'm no expert on LOS but in the Philippine boards I've often commented that there are three pricing levels: Fresh of the plane big spenders; Repeat visitors; and Resident spend thrifts. I know many girls who are slinging 3000 P 30 minute STs to just arrived Chinese and 500 P afternoons to resident Dive Masters when the power bill is due. Like Mr E, the girls know that they can call up these guys at short notice and walk away with pocket money or bills paid regardless of if it's high season or not or if their bar is full or empty.
Cheers. G.
Also it doesn't read "horny bastard" on my forehead, which may helpThis is so true. I always secure the best time and prettiest girls on the last few days of my holidays, when the tank is near empty, I'm not lusting over every brown body that sits next to me and the girls effectively have to earn the pleasure of me taking them home. 😁.
G.
Containing the spread of COVID-19 is just an excuse. No tourist means no money. Means government doesn't get money. So they will close. It's the same as why are some restaurants still closed and some are open. It's about how much business and they can make. So what closed Walking Street was the lack of customers. I was there. Walking into Palace at 11 pm to only 9 girls on stage and 4 customers was sad. Even I thought, it's time to put them out of their misery and close shop. So the business owners made a few calls to their government buddies they pay off. The staff can't get mad to the government, so take the blame for us. Send them all home and packing. Hopefully this make sense. Look who works those beaches (vendors and water sports providers and lot attendants with their chairs). All pay a kick back. People using and trashing the beach for free fucks the government up.This is why beach is off limits. Has nothing to go with spread of Covid-19. Monkeypaw strikes again, told you so. Read my last sentence. Pretty good with this prediction stuff.
https://pattayaone.news/bang-sean-beach-full-of-trash-after-reopening/
It's funny, I seem to achieve pretty much the same price points as Mr E on my best days, even though I mostly lack charm (but I'm a half decent negotiator). Also it doesn't read "horny bastard" on my forehead, which may help. It's more or less like buying a car, nothing remarkable about it. Totally doable. Up to you.I would also think around 500 - 700 baht for ST and 1,200 - 1,500 baht for LT is totally believable and doable on a regular basis with freelancers in Pattaya. For some of us, it is paying more than that for what is generally available in Pattaya that is unbelievable. If some reasonable standard combination of youth, looks, demeanor, skills and cooperation is the goal, that is. I'm sure there must be FLs in Pattaya who command thousands of baht for LT and can afford to say No to 1,200 baht offers left and right until they get their price. Somewhere.
It can even be done with some regularity in the lower Sukhumvit and Patpong areas of Bangkok if you put your mind to it, are almost constantly on the hunt and aren't too picky about age, weight, overall looks (yes, facial attractiveness is a biggie in this regard) and skills.
For the most part I pay freelancers in Bangkok 2,000 - 2,500 baht for LT. I can't remember the last time I agreed to pay more than that except for a lovely Vietnamese girl I met online over a year ago to whom I paid about 7,000 baht for a dream LT where my every sexual wish with her was fulfilled between 10pm and 12Noon the next day. I would go to 3,000 baht for LT if the girl was enticing enough and she would not budge.
I prefer LT over ST. But when I do a ST it generally comes to 1,000 - 1,500 baht. Although I have agreed to as much as 2,500 baht for ST with a few Thermae girls.
However, there is one gigantic glaring and critical difference about my P4P experiences anywhere in Thailand that I don't believe applies to any other regular poster on these threads and therefore likely renders much of my stated price ranges irrelevant to anyone else; 90% of the time I require an upfront agreement to engage in BBFS+CIP from the P4P girls I approach or that approach me in person or online. Sometimes, but not all that often, an upfront agreement for BBBJ+CIM will be enough to close the deal for me.
That does not mean I choose a girl and then "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" and find myself scoring BBFS+CIP 90% of the time. Nope. That means I literally bring up the subject on the street, in the bar or club, online, you name it, and get a clear and unambiguous agreement from the girl that she would be fine with engaging in that with me before we so much as take that first step in the direction of my room.
So I think we are really talking about a much higher "ask" of the girl in my situation than most other punters would ever dare. I doubt there are many punters out there doing what I do in Thailand AND regularly negotiating it down to 500 - 700 baht for ST and 1,200 baht for LT. Not with girls most of us would be willing to touch with a barge pole, that is. Although I am sure there are anecdotal exceptions.
All that said, for years now about half the girls I have had in Bangkok were non P4P girls with regular jobs who got upset if I mentioned paying them for it beyond a token 100 - 200 baht for their taxi travel to and from my place. Right up to today. Naturally, that reduces the costs for sex that I've mentioned considerably. But that doesn't exactly pertain to the P4P issue.
Danny Duck
05-09-20, 02:23
Price shaming needs to stop.
Not all of us wants to buy an old aging brown banana. We like nubile cutesy type girls.
Jimmy Boy 99
05-09-20, 02:25
It's not Mr E's good looks, wit and charm that is securing these deals. It's that he is there, now and dependable. I'm also guessing he treats the girls in a tolerable way so that they can provide positive references to their friends. Believe me positive or negative news spreads quickly. Snip. I have not heard of many 14-hour STs. She earned her 700 baht the first hour (or max the second hour). She was there for the next 12-13 hours because she enjoyed being with Mr. Enternational apart from the money.
Engine Driver
05-09-20, 02:39
You are full of shit and this post has ZERO information in it. Nobody tried to touch your pockets unless it was a Thai ladyboy that you mistook for an Indian.
A dangerous Indian guy in Pattaya? Get the fuck out of here.
Newsflash: Everybody sees chicks as sexual toys; that is why guys come to Pattaya!
Little budget? Chicks tell me that Indian guys are the ones who pay the most. No need to lie to me; I pay the least and find it no badge of honor or pride to be a big spender in a hooker haven..Good pick up Mr E. Turkish63's report was indeed rather strange for a first up contribution from a newbie. I see that his report has now been deleted after you saw straight through the BS. If I was a first time monger to LOS, I would be spending all my time chasing LBFMs and seeing how much pussy I could get. Now what does Turkish63 claim to do? He spends all his time observing, criticizing and writing about another ethnic tourist group. And other mongers believed that BS.
FWIW, Indian cities are now full of AMPS (or at least they were before the Wuhan Reaper struck). Guess where the staff come from? If Indian men were that smelly, cheap and dangerous, I don't think thousands of LBFMs would be flying out of BKK to various Indian cities to service Indian cock.
Banana Boi
05-09-20, 02:55
YYZtravel,
The key to Pattaya as said many times over on this board is don't overplan. I still recall my first visit I had about 7 months to pre-plan. When I got there none of my planning mattered other than learning the baht bus route and selecting as nice a hotel my budget could afford along the baht bus route. Pattaya is a go with the flow sort of town. Hit Walking Street, LK Metro, Soi 6, walk along Beach Roach, hit the soapies, walk around Soi Buakhao and Soi 25, a place like iBar or 808, maybe try a G club or BJ bar. Wear dry fit light clothing and long shorts because it's hot in Thailand. Wear comfortable footwear because you will be walking a lot on very uneven sidewalks. Nice sandals are acceptable footwear in almost all places in Pattaya. You can pick up girls anywhere as Mr. E has posted here many times. Just go with the flow it will all work out for you. The girls will find you.
If time permits, try a few days in Bangkok as well and compare the two cities. Go to Bangkok at the beginning of your trip directly from the airport. It's closer for the travel weary.
Mr Enternational
05-09-20, 03:31
Prices without face pictures is meaningless.So why did you give prices without posting any pictures period?
Mr Enternational
05-09-20, 03:38
You're forgetting that very few (if any) other mongers have your charm and sexual attractiveness to Thai women, since you are the only one posting that he is getting ex go go girls (not Beach Road skanks) for 700 baht ST, as well as multiple freebie girls.I am also the only one posting she asked for 2000 and I told her no way. Other people are saying she asked for 2000 and I told her let's go. See the true difference? Has nothing to do with attractiveness and other bullshit. It has everything to do with opening your mouth.
You think I get taxis from the airport for 900 because I am attractive to the male drivers? Or is it simply because they ask for 1500 and I SAY no way, 900 plus 60 for the tolls, while others are saying okay 1500 let's go?
Ask FL Hawk about the last time he was here and I took him to my tailor. I said tell him all the stuff you want then ask him how much. No matter what he says, tell him that is way too much and you did not plan on spending that much. You should have seen how charming Hawk was with the tailor! No idea why this is so difficult for some people to do.
Still haven't gotten to the report, but after I suggested MP ask chicks why they ask a certain price, I decided to do the same. The first reason the gogo chick that wanted 2000 short time said was because guys are going to ask for a lower price. In other words she starts high so it gives her room to negotiate. It has nothing to do with knowing what she is worth. And if she catches a guy who just pays the first price he is given, then it is a lucky day for her.
I am not telling you anything that is going to cost you money to try out. You do not have to go buy any special clothes to try this. You do not have to make sure you have had a haircut and shave before you try this. You do not have to put on cologne or make sure your breath is as fresh as Everest peak. All you have to do is open your mouth and say that is too much. But it seems like that is kryptonite to some people. They will make every excuse for NOT negotiating.
Mr Enternational
05-09-20, 04:36
This is why beach is off limits. Has nothing to go with spread of Covid-19. Monkeypaw strikes again, told you so. Read my last sentence. Pretty good with this prediction stuff.
https://pattayaone.news/bang-sean-beach-full-of-trash-after-reopening/Well it seemed a total waste of time from the beginning. There was practically nobody on the beach. The way they talk you would think people were gathering in packs. At Jomtien you would see a family here and there. We all know that the Thai people like to sit on the sidewalk with their mat and eat with friends. There were maybe 2 cases of this at Pattaya beach and 3 at Jomtien whenever I rode through. Here is a picture of Pattaya beach from over a month ago. NOBODY at the fucking beach.
Mr Enternational
05-09-20, 05:05
I have not heard of many 14-hour STs. She earned her 700 baht the first hour (or max the second hour). She was there for the next 12-13 hours because she enjoyed being with Mr. Enternational apart from the money.No. She drank me out of 700 baht the first hour! I have all this liquor. But when chicks come over I make them drink it only with ice. No problem. This chick is only 47 kg. She will have 1 or 2 drinks of this strong shit and be finished. WRONG! WRONG!
First I let her try some Malibu. She said it was too sweet. I made her finish the serving though. Then she was staring seeing what she wanted to try next. She picked up the Amaretto, but I told her that was sweeter than the Malibu. So she tried the Gentleman Jack. After that she wanted more but I was not going to let her drink all of that. So she started drinking Chivas. She drank half of a 1 liter bottle of Chivas finishing it off.
I literally had to cut her off. She was at the bar trying to see what to drink next. The only way I could stop her was to turn off everything in the room so it would be black dark and she could not see. Then I made her go to sleep. I have no idea how guys like dealing with drunk chicks. It is like herding cats. The next day I told her from now on there is a 2 drink maximum.
Speak of the damn devil. She just hit me up trying to come over again.
Danny Duck
05-09-20, 05:54
So why did you give prices without posting any pictures period?I'm not claiming I get Hot Pretty Girls for 700 baht.
Danny Duck
05-09-20, 06:05
I would also think around 500 - 700 baht for ST and 1,200 - 1,500 baht for LT is totally believable and doable on a regular basis with freelancers in Pattaya. For some of us, it is paying more than that for what is generally available in Pattaya that is unbelievable. If some reasonable standard combination of youth, looks, demeanor, skills and cooperation is the goal, that is. I'm sure there must be FLs in Pattaya who command thousands of baht for LT and can afford to say No to 1,200 baht offers left and right until they get their price. Somewhere.
It can even be done with some regularity in the lower Sukhumvit and Patpong areas of Bangkok if you put your mind to it, are almost constantly on the hunt and aren't too picky about age, weight, overall looks (yes, facial attractiveness is a biggie in this regard) and skills.
For the most part I pay freelancers in Bangkok 2,000 - 2,500 baht for LT. I can't remember the last time I agreed to pay more than that except for a lovely Vietnamese girl I met online over a year ago to whom I paid about 7,000 baht for a dream LT where my every sexual wish with her was fulfilled between 10pm and 12Noon the next day. I would go to 3,000 baht for LT if the girl was enticing enough and she would not budge.
I prefer LT over ST. But when I do a ST it generally comes to 1,000 - 1,500 baht. Although I have agreed to as much as 2,500 baht for ST with a few Thermae girls..I totally believe Mr E prices are attainable. What he doesn't not want to disclose is what he is getting for those prices. Freelancers by and large are not an attractive group. You need to actually see what's on the street. You can spot a Prostitoot a mile away. Majority are under 1,000 k. Many are overpriced at 700. That's how bad they are.
One of his bargain girls he mentioned doesn't attract Asian Johns. That gives a clue as to the type Mr E fancies.
Kamsutra69
05-09-20, 09:17
Keeping aside the risk of mongering in these times, you are probably having the best time in this crisis. Good place to be stuck.
Like the Germans say "wenn schon, denn schon". Doesn't matter whether you fuck one girl or twenty. They are probably fucking other guys too.
Happy mongering!
No. She drank me out of 700 baht the first hour! I have all this liquor. But when chicks come over I make them drink it only with ice. No problem. This chick is only 47 kg. She will have 1 or 2 drinks of this strong shit and be finished. WRONG! WRONG!
First I let her try some Malibu. She said it was too sweet. I made her finish the serving though. Then she was staring seeing what she wanted to try next. She picked up the Amaretto, but I told her that was sweeter than the Malibu. So she tried the Gentleman Jack. After that she wanted more but I was not going to let her drink all of that. So she started drinking Chivas. She drank half of a 1 liter bottle of Chivas finishing it off.
I literally had to cut her off. She was at the bar trying to see what to drink next. The only way I could stop her was to turn off everything in the room so it would be black dark and she could not see. Then I made her go to sleep. I have no idea how guys like dealing with drunk chicks. It is like herding cats. The next day I told her from now on there is a 2 drink maximum.
Speak of the damn devil. She just hit me up trying to come over again.
Mr Enternational
05-09-20, 11:48
However, there is one gigantic glaring and critical difference about my P4P experiences anywhere in Thailand that I don't believe applies to any other regular poster on these threads and therefore likely renders much of my stated price ranges irrelevant to anyone else; 90% of the time I require an upfront agreement to engage in BBFS+CIP from the P4P girls I approach or that approach me in person or online. Sometimes, but not all that often, an upfront agreement for BBBJ+CIM will be enough to close the deal for me.
That does not mean I choose a girl and then "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" and find myself scoring BBFS+CIP 90% of the time. Nope.
I doubt there are many punters out there doing what I do in Thailand AND regularly negotiating it down to 500 - 700 baht for ST and 1,200 baht for LT. The reason there is no glaring or critical difference is because I have never negotiated particular services in Thailand, I do not require any type of agreement, and have always gone with the flow and 90% of the time it leads to what you are actively negotiating. These chicks around here don't give a fuck. How do you think they are ending up with all these kids? They will let any Tom, DICK, or Johnson cum in them at the drop of a hat. You don't have to ask for it; you just have to do it. They don't know that I had a vasectomy (If I did not then I would not be skeeting in them at will.).
The gogo chick the other night, I was trying to sleep but every fucking hour she would wake up and put her mouth around my dick for a couple of minutes then hop on top of it like it was nothing. And I hate being bothered when I am trying to sleep.
If you call yourself paying them extra for "special services" then you could be saving yourself a bunch of money, because they are going to do it anyway. Others can attest that it works the exact same in the Philippines. It has NOTHING to do with the price you are paying or how the girl looks. That is the biggest fallacy ever. She will do it for only 1000 baht because she does not look good, but she looks good and will do it for a whopping 2000 baht? Yeah right. No. She will do it because that is what she does. You know why I would not fuck a ladyboy for 20,000 baht? It is because I don't fuck ladyboys; it has nothing to do with the amount or how I look!
Banana Boi
05-09-20, 13:19
You think I get taxis from the airport for 900 because I am attractive to the male drivers? Or is it simply because they ask for 1500 and I SAY no way, 900 plus 60 for the tolls, while others are saying okay 1500 let's go?
Mr. E is exactly right guys. Thai people will see you as a tourist and will try extracting every baht you have. It's the way they have been wired through experience that guys will pay it because it's "cheaper than home". Girls will look at you and set a maximum number in their head they think you are willing to pay. The price used to be "Up to you". Sadly I haven't heard "Up to you" for a long time from a gogo girl. Miss the Good Old Days of 2016.
The reason there is no glaring or critical difference is because I have never negotiated particular services in Thailand, I do not require any type of agreement, and have always gone with the flow and 90% of the time it leads to what you are actively negotiating. These chicks around here don't give a fuck. How do you think they are ending up with all these kids? They will let any Tom, DICK, or Johnson cum in them at the drop of a hat. You don't have to ask for it; you just have to do it. They don't know that I had a vasectomy (If I did not then I would not be skeeting in them at will.).
The gogo chick the other night, I was trying to sleep but every fucking hour she would wake up and put her mouth around my dick for a couple of minutes then hop on top of it like it was nothing. And I hate being bothered when I am trying to sleep.
If you call yourself paying them extra for "special services" then you could be saving yourself a bunch of money, because they are going to do it anyway. Others can attest that it works the exact same in the Philippines. It has NOTHING to do with the price you are paying or how the girl looks. That is the biggest fallacy ever. She will do it for only 1000 baht because she does not look good, but she looks good and will do it for a whopping 2000 baht? Yeah right. No. She will do it because that is what she does. You know why I would not fuck a ladyboy for 20,000 baht? It is because I don't fuck ladyboys; it has nothing to do with the amount or how I look!Most of the girls I choose do give a fuck. They are not handing out BBFS+CIP in the first hour of a first session with absolutely no discussion about condoms in the room, especially not for 700 baht. And that no further discussion about it is what I am negotiating for upfront and willing to pay an additional insignificant upcharge for it. I am not talking about getting it on the second or third session. I am not talking about getting it after a 15 minute conversation about it in my room over my increasingly less interested wilting erection.
Could I target ladies I am already 90% sure would not say no to BBFS+CIP in the room with or without a confrontation and the same dreary "safety first" conversation women have been launching into with me and the same tedious responses I have been explaining to them about it for the past 45+ years of mongering?
Yep. Easily.
But, for one thing, I would be targeting a much less attractive level of female than I'd even want to fuck. And, for another thing, I would much, much, much rather just get that discussion over with on the street, in the club or online and start enjoying the knowledge that I will, not might, be getting what I want with this girl with no further discussion required in the room for a mere 500 - 1000 baht more than what appears to already be rock bottom bargain prices.
I assure you I have wasted MUCH more money over the years by not negotiatiing it upfront and "going with the flow" than I could ever waste by having that 3 sentence exchange about it before we walk off hand in hand.
I can also attest that it is easy to get BBFS+CIP within the first hour of the first session with little or no discussion about it in the Philippines. It is practically a given there. But it is not a given in Thailand. Not generally among the girls I would want to fuck anyway.
For every punter you think gets BBFS+CIP with hot Thai girls without a discussion or hassle about it in the room, I can produce 2 seasoned world traveler punters who had practically sworn off returning to Thailand because it is such a hassle to get BBFS+CIP with a hot Thai girl.
Sure, remove the word "hot" and it's easy peasy for almost anyone.
Pimpampoumpipo
05-09-20, 15:19
Chicks tell me that Indian guys are the ones who pay the mostThis is the first time I hear that. I think that if it were true we will see more indians in gogos to choose girls with 4 or 5000 baths.
The only thing I heard is that the Indians who walk on the beach road for 3 or 4 people were trying to negotiate group prices like: we are 4 and we give you 500 or 700 baths per person. Which can indeed interest some girls because they make their turnover of the evening in one shot.
Mr. E is exactly right guys. Thai people will see you as a tourist and will try extracting every baht you have. It's the way they have been wired through experience that guys will pay it because it's "cheaper than home". Girls will look at you and set a maximum number in their head they think you are willing to pay. The price used to be "Up to you". Sadly I haven't heard "Up to you" for a long time from a gogo girl. Miss the Good Old Days of 2016.I haven't heard "up to you" in gogos, but few girls of LK and ws gogos are messaging me to meet and saying fee is "up to me", and that's before I can say I am not even in Pattaya.
Pimpampoumpipo
05-09-20, 16:42
I haven't heard "up to you" in gogos, .I sometimes but rarely heard "up to you" in gogos.
But when I offered 1000 baths when the price was 4/5000 baths with barfine the answer was "nooooooo".
Well ok but why are you telling me "up to you" then?
I wouldn't mind paying even normal inflated gogo prices (3000 ST) a couple of times a week for top-tier gogo girls, as I'm tired of recycling my 2 or 3 good regulars who didn't go back home weeks ago. I need change, never mind how hot my present girl is. Plus, there's nothing to do all day long so overspending somewhat on sex seems opportune. But where are those "gogo girls" right now? Not many of them left on the ground here I can tell you. I see the odd one around Soi Bukhao, often on a motorcycle, coming for food. Easy to tell from the crowd of 4's to 6's working the street. Really good girls stand out a mile ever since most of them returned to the provinces.
Those rare good girls do not change hands. I see them escorted at close quarters by the same guys day after day. Obviously the guys hang on to their good girl for dear life, they know if they lose her it will be long before they find one as good.
That's the state of affairs in Pattaya right now.
I sometimes but rarely heard "up to you" in gogos.
But when I offered 1000 baths when the price was 4/5000 baths with barfine the answer was "nooooooo".
Well ok but why are you telling me "up to you" then?Haha she was expecting you to say 6000 or 8000, because I've seen some pay for it in front of me. And then I got the same girl for 4 k next night.
Mr Enternational
05-09-20, 18:04
But where are those "gogo girls" right now?Thai Friendly and Tinder along with everyone else.
Pimpampoumpipo
05-09-20, 19:06
Haha she was expecting you to say 6000 or 8000, because I've seen some pay for it in front of me. And then I got the same girl for 4 k next night.
The rest of the discussion is:
- me: "and how much for LT?
- her: "7000 baths". (Also you are right about the prices you give, it is not delusional).
- me: "But honey for this price I have to sell my house."
And there, she does not seem surprised. She must find it normal that an old man with a crappy t-shirt and flip-flops sells his house to spend the night with her (because I don't have the same power of seduction as you or Mr Enternational).
Member #4698
05-09-20, 19:19
I have been playing around on Tinder lately since I got a lot of time on my hands. I few things I have observed is Tinder has a ton of girls and Ladyboys. 555. Fortunately I am pretty good at spotting the minority of LB's who do not declare themselves as such right at the get go, but newbies should proceed with caution. As to the girl girls, I see a lot of quality on Tinder mixed in with the chaff, of course, and it does breakdown into professional and amateur class. Fortunately again, I am pretty good at spotting the bar girls. They have a certain look, many have tattoos, and often they include their Line number on their profile for easy, no fooling around access. But since I have plenty of time on my hands I have also 'right swiped" some apparent non-pro girls who looked pretty amazing in their photos. A large number of these have Instagram accounts and want you to contact them there. After a brief intro / how are you, I have added a couple of them to my Line account for further contact. It is really too bad I am not in Thailand. I am sure I would be scoring some of these cuties from Tinder if I were, but as it is, I am just in the learner phase, figuring out the ropes and making a few acquaintances. I do think, however, that even when the bars & Go Go's reopen I will begin to use Tinder. Like I said, I think there is quality to be found there.
But where are those "gogo girls" right now?Supposedly, they can be found on Phratamnak Hill.
Arn Poddict
05-09-20, 20:53
So you know this because you have tried it many times and it never worked? Because the 47kg (I have a scale in my room and she got on it talking about how she gained 2kg) light skinned chick that is in my bed right now told me 2000 baht for short time yesterday. She told me she used to work at Peppermint Agogo. Thai girls seem to like to check their weight on a scale to know if they gained or lost. This one was 44 kg. Her natural tits must have been at least 1 kg each.
Danny Duck
05-09-20, 21:01
I have been playing around on Tinder lately since I got a lot of time on my hands. I few things I have observed is Tinder has a ton of girls and Ladyboys. 555. Fortunately I am pretty good at spotting the minority of LB's who do not declare themselves as such right at the get go, but newbies should proceed with caution. As to the girl girls, I see a lot of quality on Tinder mixed in with the chaff, of course, and it does breakdown into professional and amateur class. Fortunately again, I am pretty good at spotting the bar girls. They have a certain look, many have tattoos, and often they include their Line number on their profile for easy, no fooling around access. But since I have plenty of time on my hands I have also 'right swiped" some apparent non-pro girls who looked pretty amazing in their photos. A large number of these have Instagram accounts and want you to contact them there. After a brief intro / how are you, I have added a couple of them to my Line account for further contact. It is really too bad I am not in Thailand. I am sure I would be scoring some of these cuties from Tinder if I were, but as it is, I am just in the learner phase, figuring out the ropes and making a few acquaintances. I do think, however, that even when the bars & Go Go's reopen I will begin to use Tinder. Like I said, I think there is quality to be found there.You PLAY Tinder. Don't you want to rephrase that. That's how Thai girls talk.
That's the state of affairs in Pattaya right now.What's surprised me in this discussion isn't that 700/1000 be stunners are available in these lean times. It's that the reports have been that these girls are also providing good and even extended sessions upon arrival.
Everywhere else, it's almost a given that attractiveness, popularity and price are almost inversely proportional to the level of service and enjoyment provided when back in the room. Normally a girl's sense of entitlement overhangs the evening. Is this a general Thailand thing or are they upping there game due to Convid19 lean times?
Cheers. G.
Mr Enternational
05-10-20, 01:07
Fortunately again, I am pretty good at spotting the bar girls. They have a certain look, many have tattoos, and often they include their Line number on their profileNot to mention they have pictures of them working in their bars! LOL.
Thai Friendly and Tinder along with everyone else.I have now had some 10 girls from Thaifriendly in my room since the bars closed, not a huge sample but one sufficient for a trend to emerge. Not a single one of them was a girl I have have been eager to add to my list of regulars. Not a single one who was at the level of my two remaining Soi 6 regulars.
Note that I am comparing TF girls to my selection of Soi 6 girls, not to Nana Plaza Billboard hotties!
I now wish I had been able to collect five times more phone numbers of ok girls ahead of the closures.
My message to mongers out there who contemplate flying back to Thailand asap despite the restrictions in the belief the top girls are to be had online at a discount is: don't count on it.
Mr Enternational
05-10-20, 01:37
I totally believe Mr E prices are attainable. What he doesn't not want to disclose is what he is getting for those prices. Freelancers by and large are not an attractive group. You need to actually see what's on the street. You can spot a Prostitoot a mile away. Majority are under 1,000 k. Many are overpriced at 700. That's how bad they are.
One of his bargain girls he mentioned doesn't attract Asian Johns. That gives a clue as to the type Mr E fancies.Here you go with faulty logic again. By that logic the girls that guys are fucking for free must really be total dogs. Just because YOU can not get a good looking chick to fuck you for cheap or free, does not mean that is the case for everyone. And who is to say the chick you are paying your 3000 baht to is good looking? You have not proven shit. You want people to assume that because you pay a certain amount that the chick is good looking. The last time I went into a place that charges that much money it had even more ugly chicks than good looking ones and they were all the same exact price. I guess you are also not aware that chicks who work in clubs moonlight as freelancers as well. I never said anything about a chick not attracting Asian guys. More shit you are pulling out of your ass I guess.
HorseTrader
05-10-20, 01:46
I might overpay the first session with a go go girl, but if I like the session we will exchange Line IDs and have a second date without the bar fine. For second dates I tell her that I don't have the same money that I had for our first date. Third dates are uncommon for me, but the price goes still lower for that. For a nice looking go go girl, I might pay 3000 baht the first date (+BF), 1500 baht the second date, and 1000 baht the third date. Service seems to get progressively better and better. If a condom was used on the first date, it is gone by the second date. Always lots of DFK on second and third dates. I seldom have a 4th paid date, there are too many other options in Thailand.
I like to sleep alone so I always arrange ST. There have been many times that the girl wants to stay overnight, probably because she likes my hotel and doesn't want to go back to the shit hole where she lives. This is especially true when I'm in my Samui resort, the girls seem to really like that place and they don't want to leave. I've spent the night with several free Thai girls, but very seldom do I let a professional spend the night.
I'm old and only good for one pop per day with a condom, I need BBFS CIP for second and (sometimes) third pops. For me, negotiating BBFS before going to my room is unreliable. In February I did those negotiations with a Vietnamese freelancer on Soi 11 (BKK) and she refused BBFS when we were in the room. She explained to me that it wasn't a good thing to do and I showed her the door, at which time she decided BBFS CIP was acceptable. In March I had a similar experience with an older Thai freelancer on Sukhumvit near Soi 7, the deal was 1000 baht for BBFS CIP, but in the room she cock blocked me with her legs. She refused BBFS and got nasty when I told her it was time to leave, I ended up giving her 400 or 500 baht to get her out and not cause problems.
Mr Enternational
05-10-20, 01:55
I have now had some 10 girls from Thaifriendly in my room since the bars closed, not a huge sample but one sufficient for a trend to emerge. Not a single one of them was a girl I have have been eager to add to my list of regulars. Not a single one who was at the level of my two remaining Soi 6 regulars.I do not even understand the separation since there are a shit ton of Soi 6 chicks on Thai Friendly. Why would it be any different if you met them on Thai Friendly, Soi 6, Lucifer Disco, or Buakhao market? I reported on a Soi 6 chick that came to see me after hours in March. 2 days ago I was talking to a chick in Thai Friendly. It was not until she added me to Line that I realized it was the same person because the old messages and her name were still in my phone. They make themselves look so different from photo to photo that I thought I was talking to a new chick.
Danny Duck
05-10-20, 02:00
Here you go with faulty logic again. By that logic the girls that guys are fucking for free must really be total dogs. Just because YOU can not get a good looking chick to fuck you for cheap or free, does not mean that is the case for everyone. And who is to say the chick you are paying your 3000 baht to is good looking? You have not proven shit. You want people to assume that because you pay a certain amount that the chick is good looking. The last time I went into a place that charges that much money it had even more ugly chicks than good looking ones and they were all the same exact price. I guess you are also not aware that chicks who work in clubs moonlight as freelancers as well. I never said anything about a chick not attracting Asian guys. Where did you get that from?You are one tough nut to crack.
Lets take Rainbow 4 in BKK. They all generally charge the same 3,000. The same girls get barfined over and over and over again. Some moderately and some never. What different about them? Shier vaginas look pretty much the same, I guess. Its their face (Assuming all bodies are OK-which they aren't).
You definitely said recently one of your 700 bathers isn't a Korean boy kind of girl.
If only one person here would back your claim. . we can chat.
Its hard finding pretty girls in top agogos yet you find them all over for 700 Baht. Come on now.
LittleBigMan
05-10-20, 02:06
It could be a bit longer wait?
Thai follow so this bit of news might be what is in store for the future.
When it comes to the Brits they have just imposed a 14 days return quarantine so if one isn't wealthy and retired? Traveling isn't a good idea? And when it comes to Thailand if they don't remove their restrictions for every other country traveling isn't going to happen?
South Korea, opened up its bar scene and now closing again since they had a large uptick in reported cases after testing and tracking.
Just hearsay, my brother earlier in the week went to Hollywood Disco to pick up his oldest son who hangs out with one of the son owners of Hollywood. The local government was having a meeting with owners of entertainment venues the meeting was to throw out ideas as to how they can open based on the guidelines in place majority of those in the meeting were foreign owners and the ideas being thrown out by everyone was going nowhere. Many of the foreign owners wanted the government to wave taxes and speak to landowners to forego rent if they continue to be closed that they are getting killed? That is when my brother walked off when he said nothing but smirks on the Thai faces.
Next announcement is coming May 17th I hear?
Mr Enternational
05-10-20, 02:06
I might overpay the first session with a go go girl, but if I like the session we will exchange Line IDs and have a second date without the bar fine. For second dates I tell her that I don't have the same money that I had for our first date. Third dates are uncommon for me, but the price goes still lower for that. For a nice looking go go girl, I might pay 3000 baht the first date (+BF), 1500 baht the second date, and 1000 baht the third date. Be careful. Some morons may believe that the chick got hit with an ugly stick between the first date when you picked her up in the gogo and paid 3000 and the third date when she was freelance for 1000. Because you could never get a good looking girl for that pittance.
If a condom was used on the first date, it is gone by the second date.Are you negotiating this beforehand?
Danny Duck
05-10-20, 02:06
My message to mongers out there who contemplate flying back to Thailand asap despite the restrictions in the belief the top girls are to be had online at a discount is: don't count on it.What? Sure you not mis-speaking?
What's surprised me in this discussion isn't that 700/1000 be stunners are available in these lean times. It's that the reports have been that these girls are also providing good and even extended sessions upon arrival.
Everywhere else, it's almost a given that attractiveness, popularity and price are almost inversely proportional to the level of service and enjoyment provided when back in the room. Normally a girl's sense of entitlement overhangs the evening. Is this a general Thailand thing or are they upping there game due to Convid19 lean times?
Cheers. G.I think I get the high a quotes because perhaps these girls just don't want to fuck me. Maybe they detest my style or looks from my profile. Or perhaps I do not know how to select the right girls. It could be that my perspective on what's hot and sexy is iffy. The girls may be in reality "ugly" by most standards and they are going to try to "milk" me for the most amount of money when the opportunity comes. Take this one girl who doesn't seem to have the self confidence to even reply to her messages from men. She probably sees me as a sucker and hence the 2000 baht short time rate, which seems high. I've been told that my ideal body type for a girl is rare (and somewhat not sexy), but I did see something pretty close yesterday near Tree Town that will keep me searching. Or perhaps, I've been mistaken all along and this body type is actually "ugly" by human standards? A little guidance or help from those still here would help. I'm always ready to listen and learn on how to spot top talent, get them for cheap, and get GFE service on a daily budget. I can offer a free lunch or dinner.
Last night I was in the mood for some pizza. I was already around the fruits and vegetables market near Sophon 350 market. See this restaurant named Chill Inn offering 130 baht for margherita pizzas. Hopped right in ordered, but I wasn't digging the vibe. I changed my order to take away and was told I need to pay an extra 20 baht for the cardboard box for to go. Me keeping my cool, just said that's "a little weird, but yeah whatever. " I told the server I wanted extra tomato sauce on the pizza and didn't mind paying extra. About 20 minutes later she came out with my pizza and a bill for 160 baht. I took to the Tree Town area and sat on the sidewalk kicking it with some Americans while we all ate our food. The pizza was floppy about 14-15 inches, cheese did not pull like mozzarella should, and the tomato sauce was skimpy. Inside my bag was 2 packets of tomato sauce, I guess for the extra 10 baht they charged. I was hoping extra sauce on the pizza not packets. Come on, you guys can do better than this. Lucky I'm an easy going guy when it comes to stupidity. Hopefully, it was just that and not laziness. The owner I believe wasn't Italian or European, but not sure. Anyways, if he or any of their customers read this board, get it straight. It's not the waitress fault. I heard her repeat my order correctly and you punched it in the touchscreen. Thank God for the oven in my room to reheat your floppy pizza with packets of tomato sauce.
Mr Enternational
05-10-20, 04:21
You are one tough nut to crack. You definitely said recently one of your 700 bathers isn't a Korean boy kind of girl.
If only one person here would back your claim. . we can chat.MF THAT WAS NOT ME! Post the quote of me writing that. You start chatting when you can back your own damn claim.
I do not even understand the separation since there are a shit ton of Soi 6 chicks on Thai Friendly. Why would it be any different if you met them on Thai Friendly, Soi 6, Lucifer Disco, or Buakhao market? I reported on a Soi 6 chick that came to see me after hours in March. 2 days ago I was talking to a chick in Thai Friendly. It was not until she added me to Line that I realized it was the same person because the old messages and her name were still in my phone. They make themselves look so different from photo to photo that I thought I was talking to a new chick.On Soi 6 at most one in every 6 or 7 girls has a figure that meets my standards, but I can sort them out. I don't see the top 20% of Soi 6 hanging around these days on Soi Bukhao. On TF poor figures and nice tits / faces (mermaids, wheel-chair types) are at a premium and there's no telling which girl might have a good body. I assume girls know this and flock to a platform that hides their main flaws.
Note that this is not inherent to online platforms, it just so happens that, for censorship reasons, the platforms that are available in Thailand are that way. For comparison: https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo.
On another note, more international bad news for a reopening of nigh-life venues: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/south-korea-faces-flare-up-in-coronavirus-cases-tied-to-nightclubs
Ass Addict
05-10-20, 04:55
They make themselves look so different from photo to photo that I thought I was talking to a new chick.So true. It's even like that in real life especially with girls exclusively working as freelance in discos.
That's why they spend so much time in the beauty salons to change their hairstyles very often. Add a change in their makeup and clothes style and you've got a completely different girl from one day to another.
It happened to me numerous times that I had a chick a few days ago and it's only when she came talking to me in the disco that I realized she was the same girl.
Ass Addict
05-10-20, 05:22
The last time I went into a place that charges that much money it had even more ugly chicks than good looking ones and they were all the same exact price.Yes, but these girls are there to make the number.
Almost nobody barfine these girls. Once I was in Happy agogo on WS and one girl was very insistent to come at my table. After a few requests I accepted and eventually I barfined her. She was not ugly but it's true she had by far a less pretty face than the other girls being barfined that night but her body looked great though (and that was one reason I barfined her). She finally came for ST at 2000 baht while other guys were paying 3 or 4 K for their girls, and she accepted to be paid in the room while other guys were paying full amount directly at the club. In our way back to my place she confessed that she is never barfined and even her mamasan was surprised that she was being barfined. I ended up regreting it a bit but only because she was a bit annoying by talking a lot. The sex part was great though and at least her pussy and ass were very fresh.
Ass Addict
05-10-20, 05:30
Those rare good girls do not change hands. I see them escorted at close quarters by the same guys day after day. Obviously the guys hang on to their good girl for dear life, they know if they lose her it will be long before they find one as good.
That's the state of affairs in Pattaya right now.These guys are probably their boyfriends unless you've seen these girls with other guys earlier.
Not every guys that goes to Pattaya is changing girls everyday, a lot of guys are staying with only one girl, and it was already the case before the lockdowns.
Before I did this whole mongering pay for play shit, I used do very bad things like make girls empty their wallets for my own selfish needs. But of course, it was at a cost. I lost so much of my freedom having to pretend I really liked or loved them, while they were just objects of gratification for me. Being cooped up in Pattaya brings out the worse in me. I get bored easily, and without Go Go bars to play around in, I find myself having to create my own adventures. With Go Go bars, the sex with hotter girls was easy. But mostly, I enjoyed playing the "You want me or I want you game" with them, the competition, and even other customers. It was only a couple months ago, when I remember going to Palace and grabbing probably the 2 hottest girls at the time working. They each were sitting with separate groups of customers who were buying them tons of shots. I called each over, one at a time, and bought 1 drink and told them let's go back to my place to "party" and then we can head off to BONE to continue the "party. " At the end of the night, they can keep the unused bottles at BONE. By the way the truly big rollers at a club are just sipping on water, cola, and juice with their bottles of liquor pretty much untouched, yet they seem to have a better time than those who have drunk up all their liquor. Anyways, walking out with those 2 models at Palace, past the dumbfounded faces of their customers, was my last memorable highlight of the Go Go bar scene.
Back to what I was saying. Almost all of these girls are gone home now. A few of them, that I know who, live in and around Chonburi or Bangkok are still in Pattaya. They are trying to up their game. This one here is a dancer but she acts like she is better than the other girls. One day Monkeypaw invited her for lunch and it begun to rain all day. She ended up staying over and we fucked like 3 times. Girl was a sadist. Very rough on the monkey meat. Squeezed and pinch my nipples while riding. She tried to bite and stick her fingers in my mouth. I wasn't too happy and let her know about it. Then she asked to flip and for me to slap her around a bit, which I did lightly. Didn't like that either. But here's the worse part. She got all psycho that night. I left for few minutes to grab a bowl from another condo in same building. When I came back, she started drilling me about who I went to see? And if I was keeping secrets from her. I didn't even know her real name. It was an empty condo I just rented but knew the passcode. Next day, sent her packing. Now every few days she wants to come over and bring me food. Fuck that, near free pussy is the worse. It can be down right scary. I love my freedom. I'm sure most guys here would have done the same and not fall for this trap. Unless you are weak. Free pussy ain't worth the price of freedom, even from a Go Go bar girl (even though she's not the prettiest). This adventure experiment was short lived. I know most guys on here wouldn't fuck her because she's far from top talent or even mediocre for a bar girl. Need a new adventure with a hotter girl. Help!
Mr Enternational
05-10-20, 06:43
On Soi 6 at most one in every 6 or 7 girls has a figure that meets my standards, but I can sort them out. I don't see the top 20% of Soi 6 hanging around these days on Soi Bukhao.Try hanging at the market. Have you been to the market? Everybody and their mother goes to the market. So if you say that you are not seeing something at the market that you are seeing other places then the problem ain't the girls. Because it is the same damn girls that are working in the gogos, working on Soi 6, working in the discos, and on TF that are at the market. Maybe they look better to you under bar lights or with skimpy clothes or something, but they are the same chicks. The other day me and my buddy were standing at 7-Eleven getting chicks' info as they passed by.
On TF poor figures and nice tits / faces (mermaids, wheel-chair types) are at a premium and there's no telling which girl might have a good body. I assume girls know this and flock to a platform that hides their main flaws.I still don't get why you are the only one having a problem. Have you tried rebooting? LOL. If you see a chick you like then talk to her and get her to send you a picture to your specifications. Chicks send me pictures in the Thai Friendly app without me even asking or wanting them. Come on man. This stuff is simple.
The rest of the discussion is:
- me: "and how much for LT?
- her: "7000 baths". (Also you are right about the prices you give, it is not delusional).
- me: "But honey for this price I have to sell my house."
And there, she does not seem surprised. She must find it normal that an old man with a crappy t-shirt and flip-flops sells his house to spend the night with her (because I don't have the same power of seduction as you or Mr Enternational).I never take the girls out of gogos for LT at first time. Just not worth the money and risk. If after ST I like her and there's chemistry, I meet her in day or pick her from gogo (I have done this mostly in BKK though) on a much less fee. Sometimes less than what I gave her for ST. Once I gave 2500 for ST to a chick in Suzie wong. Next night I went again gave her 2000 for LT without mamsan finding out. Barfine was obviously the same.
And I ain't no seducer LOL. Just like everyone else here, I pay to have sex, 70-80% of times.
Try hanging at the market. Have you been to the market? Everybody and their mother goes to the market. So if you say that you are not seeing something at the market that you are seeing other places then the problem ain't the girls. Because it is the same damn girls that are working in the gogos, working on Soi 6, working in the discos, and on TF that are at the market. Maybe they look better to you under bar lights or with skimpy clothes or something, but they are the same chicks. The other day me and my buddy were standing at 7-Eleven getting chicks' info as they passed by.
I still don't get why you are the only one having a problem. Have you tried rebooting? LOL. If you see a chick you like then talk to her and get her to send you a picture to your specifications. Chicks send me pictures in the Thai Friendly app without me even asking or wanting them. Come on man. This stuff is simple.The problem with your "same girls" reasoning is in most go-go bars and the other venues you mentioned there is a small percentage of girls that would qualify as high demand, maybe 10-20% at best. The other 80-90% are some level of acceptable, arguably doable, barely doable and desperation time. Even if ALL of the girls who work (worked) in go-go bars had profiles on ThaiFriendly and showed up at the markets every day all at once, those percentages are not going to change.
Just because someone hooks up with a girl from a go-go bar for a super discount price on ThaiFriendly or after meeting her at the durian section in a market that doesn't mean he got one of those 10-20% high demand girls. He might be getting one from the lower levels if not the lowest level of quality in her bar. His discount price might be the most money she has gotten from a customer for sex in a year. And understandably so.
The mere fact that some girl I met on ThaiFriendly who agreed to have BBFS+CIP with me for 500 baht once worked in a go-go bar or will work in one again someday is no reason whatsoever to celebrate and congratulate myself for playing a winning game because doing so says nothing about whether or not I wasted one of my precious ejaculations on a fugly and way overpaid for the priviledge even at 500 baht.
Mr. E, I understand you are not a go-go bar punter. But in your next 2-3 curiosity visits to some, take a good look around. There are plenty of fuglies and barely doables working in go-go bars. And, dare I say, particularly in many of Pattaya's go-go bars. Scoring with those "same girls" online or anywhere else in the city would still be no bargain for some of us. In fact, it might not be a "win" even for free.
LuvMexicanas
05-10-20, 09:40
No. She drank me out of 700 baht the first hour! I have all this liquor. But when chicks come over I make them drink it only with ice. No problem. This chick is only 47 kg. She will have 1 or 2 drinks of this strong shit and be finished. WRONG! WRONG!
First I let her try some Malibu. She said it was too sweet. I made her finish the serving though. Then she was staring seeing what she wanted to try next. She picked up the Amaretto, but I told her that was sweeter than the Malibu. So she tried the Gentleman Jack. After that she wanted more but I was not going to let her drink all of that. So she started drinking Chivas. She drank half of a 1 liter bottle of Chivas finishing it off.
I literally had to cut her off. She was at the bar trying to see what to drink next. The only way I could stop her was to turn off everything in the room so it would be black dark and she could not see. Then I made her go to sleep. I have no idea how guys like dealing with drunk chicks. It is like herding cats. The next day I told her from now on there is a 2 drink maximum.
Speak of the damn devil. She just hit me up trying to come over again.So she drank some of your liquor. Big deal. Just buy some more. Did she polish your knob good? If so, it's small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. Based on your handle, you clearly have the resources to travel around the world to hobby. So a woman less fortunate who has to sell her body to make a living drank some of your precious liquor. Get over it.
Mr Enternational
05-10-20, 10:20
The problem with your "same girls" reasoning is in most go-go bars and the other venues you mentioned there is a small percentage of girls that would qualify as high demand, maybe 10-20% at best.Another problem is that the people who are taking chicks out of gogos are not saying yippeee. I got the girl with the star beside her name meaning that she is in high demand. Not that what 8 out of 10 other punters want concerns me and what I want. Hell, I am sure that they have high demand ladyboys too. I am not chasing after something just because someone says it is high demand.
MP (and BB at times) is the ONLY one that puts pictures up to support his claims. And mfs still have the audacity to doubt he even exists, despite having met several members from the board. So it is a no win.
For all anyone else knows the rest of the people saying my girl is better than yours because she would not take less than 3000 baht from me could be choosing from the other 80 or 90% that are not in high demand. Afterall, being that they are the same price, who is supposed to judge who has the longer dick without having mamasan's score card?
So the question still remains then, where can these so-called high demand girls be found when they are not inside of a gogo (or Soi 6, in reference to XXL's favorite chicks that he can't seem to find semblance of outside of the place)? Are they somewhere reclused like Howard Hughes or do they brave to walk amongst all of us normal folk outside of gogo hours? I mean since nobody else can seem to point out these mystical creatures outside of a gogo and all.
First it was if you are not paying 3000 baht for a gogo girl then you are not shit. Now it has changed to if you are not paying 3000 baht for these 3 particular gogo girls then you are not shit. Nobody will ever score with all of this goalpost moving.
HorseTrader
05-10-20, 14:49
Be careful. Some morons may believe that the chick got hit with an ugly stick between the first date when you picked her up in the gogo and paid 3000 and the third date when she was freelance for 1000. Because you could never get a good looking girl for that pittance.
Are you negotiating this beforehand?The ones that I have a third time are the ones where we have a fun time just being together and talking, a connection. Those are pretty girls, but not the most beautiful ones in the bar. I have found that the most beautiful girls are often pains in the ass in the room.
When exchanging Line information, I typically say something like "more next time". She agrees to nothing specific, but the condom doesn't appear for the next session. Sometimes the condom didnt appear the first session.
My appearance and demeanor may be related to my success using this technique. I'm an older farang and a bit heavy, but I have a clean and carefully groomed appearance. I am always very laid back, calm, never drunk, and I stay in decent hotels, like Mercure in BKK or LK Empress in Pattaya. I give the impression that I have little experience in the hobby (which makes me worry that they may see me as a mark for theft). I tell them I've had a vasectomy (true) and they see me as low risk. I think they might also see me as a possible sugar daddy after I go back home, though this has seldom been discussed.
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MP (and BB at times) is the ONLY one that puts pictures up to support his claims.
...And as far as I know neither one of them are claiming or even remotely suggesting they routinely and the vast majority of the time (90%) get BBFS+CIP in the first hour of the first session with zero discussion about condoms for 500-700 baht with any of those girls.
Ah, then there's your golden opportunity to really drive your insistent point home and show up the rest of us for the inexperienced losers you suggest we are; Why not search out those particularly attractive (and well reviewed, so it won't just be about looks) girls featured in MP and BB's posts, score them for BBFS+CIP in the first hour of the first session with zero conversation about condoms and only pay them 500 baht.
Then report how it all turned out here and really make the rest of us look like fools.
Actually, it ought to be easier to do that these days than ever considering the current dire economic circumstances. Although I know your position is that result can and would happen routinely and quite easily with all manner of Thai girls even during normal times, high season times and when the streets, bars and clubs are packed with eager customers.
Danny Duck
05-10-20, 17:44
I have a theory on why I don't see Pretty Thai girls walking Pattaya during daylight hours at Terminal 21 or Central. There just aren't many pretties living in Pattaya period.
So much more opportunities to make money in BKK is my take. Customers in Patts want cheap. Couple that with low volume of customers make it a tough go, for the girls.
Soi 6 gets a lot of likes. I have yet to see a 6.1 or better. I have yet to see more than 3 farangs in a bar at one time.
That's a good one the 700 baht girl with a star. Gold Star I presume?
Mr E short for Mr Entertainment. I don't know if drives people to post or scares them away with his price Gestapo techniques.
Mr Enternational
05-10-20, 17:57
Ah, then there's your golden opportunity to really drive your insistent point home and show up the rest of us as the losers you suggest we are; Why not search out those particularly attractive (and well reviewed, so it won't just be about looks) girls featured in MP and BB's posts, score them for BBFS+CIP in the first hour of the first session with zero conversation about condoms and only pay them 500 baht.
Then report how it all turned out here and really make the rest of us look like fools.
For the goalpost to be moved again? It would still be but this, but that, the same way it is now and the same way it has always been. I already admitted that there was no way to win at this thing. I know what is going on in this room. All I am trying to do is pass along information. Take it or leave it. Try it or don't. Of course what works for some will not work for all. But to say this does not work because I have never tried it is asinine.
The Tall Man
05-10-20, 17:57
Thai girls seem to like to check their weight on a scale to know if they gained or lost. This one was 44 kg. Her natural tits must have been at least 1 kg each.Fuck me, wow! Incredible body.
The Tall Man.
Upload a stylish smart looking pictures of yours in chatting app you use. Brother I am also in you group girls did ask me almost 1. 5 time they ask other guys. Try soi6 gurls may be ruby club their you can find nice affordable girl or near by bars in soi 6.
I think I get the high a quotes because perhaps these girls just don't want to fuck me. Maybe they detest my style or looks from my profile. Or perhaps I do not know how to select the right girls. It could be that my perspective on what's hot and sexy is iffy. The girls may be in reality "ugly" by most standards and they are going to try to "milk" me for the most amount of money when the opportunity comes. Take this one girl who doesn't seem to have the self confidence to even reply to her messages from men. She probably sees me as a sucker and hence the 2000 baht short time rate, which seems high. I've been told that my ideal body type for a girl is rare (and somewhat not sexy), but I did see something pretty close yesterday near Tree Town that will keep me searching. Or perhaps, I've been mistaken all along and this body type is actually "ugly" by human standards? A little guidance or help from those still here would help. I'm always ready to listen and learn on how to spot top talent, get them for cheap, and get GFE service on a daily budget. I can offer a free lunch or dinner.
Banana Boi
05-10-20, 20:30
Chill Inn Pizza ReviewGood pizza and pasta is a real struggle in Pattaya.
In fairness each girl has different styles. Rates has went up across SEA in the last 10 years. All it takes is for 1 guy to be generous and give a 2 k girl 5 k. Now she thinks she is 5 k. Some girls have expensive habits or boyfriends and families. Some girls are competing with their girlfriends. One of Mr. E's ex was preoccupied because she knew a girl that could dance better and had better business acumen and a few good sponsors. So yes girls compete to see who is the highest earner. Ladies take it personal if you give her friend 3 k and she only got 2 k. Mr. E ex didn't want to look for a new customer everyday because she is older and wants steady revenue. She was OK with slow money vs fast unpredictable income streams. Girls rely on street smarts. YMMV. Plus you may feel its trivial to bicker over 300 baht whereas a fixed income pensioner feels that savings let him live it up at McDonalds. The weekend millionaires and tourists keep rates high off indifference and ignorance. They may have been home saving all year and are not going to ruin their holiday over 3 k. Some guys don't care about money. They cut corners by not buying clothes or cars. They value female companionship. There are old guys who have no qualms spending half of their income on the hobby. You should go in knowing market rate and what's fair. Some guys don't tip satisfactory service or give bike fare. I would talk to the vets and research the Patts honey market and start spending what you feel comfortable with. Do not let guys price shame you when locals are getting it for free or the girls are treating them to dinner. I know guys that will buy girls commissioned drinks all night and lie that they got the goods for free. Worrying about working girls can be time consuming. At the end of the day it is a business transaction. Which means your not on the hook for pandemic crisis etc. There is a Laotian lady on Soi 6. The 2 and time I hired her outfall. She waited until Soi 6 closed and wanted the barfine too. I thought this chick is loyal to the bar. Since she couldn't give me a break I don't always buy her a drink when I see her and I don't barfine her. The freebie and girls that worked with you should get consideration. The girls that stay with me 30+ minutes. Over a lady drink are in my good graces. Chicks that charge more than market value / completely about the bar won't get special considerations in lean times. Some guys pump / dump. So say it's what he really wants but he pays double. He reserves the right not to repeat. Repeating with a girl who hurts your wallet is a recipe for disaster unless she is your dream girl. Mr. E theme is shop around because he has many options. He can find a serviceable or comparable companion he likes at his price point. Girls can keep their rates high so long. She cannot go home without a customer every night unless she wants to find a new occupation. Alot of these girls can survive off $20 a day. So 3 k for 1 hour of laying on their back is winning. Plus some girls like sex and meeting men which is the cherry on top. Simps allow the girls to hold out when they get big cam money or Western Union care packages. Besides why keep a girl around when your handing her 2000 baht a day but once a week she goes quiet if you don't have exact change for the baht bus? In a nutshell if Patts is not cheaper or easier than dating a civilian or your getting girls out of your league it isn't worth the fuss. Guys that live in Patts or visit frequently should be getting the hometown discount. The weekend millionaires model is exhausting.
Danny Duck
05-11-20, 01:12
Criminal activity up in Pattaya? Released criminals are being re-arrested in my neck of the woods. I see a lot of angry people on the streets like never before. I don't live in the hood. I live in a high priced Real Estate area.
I eat lunch at a busstop every day. One of these hoodlums walk nearby I'm afraid of being a crime statistic. Hard to enjoy lunch.
I'm not going to identify her but she had a customer who paid her triple her normal rates. The caveat was this was 1 day out of the week. He was not loyal and didn't respect her. Yes the ladies have to eat too. But she knew the rest of the week she needed a boyfriend who didn't demean her even if he paid her market rate. Technically a holiday girlfriend arrangement. So yes some girls will be with a pig occasionally for 10 k but appreciate a respectful 1 k customer more if he is treating her like a lady and making time for her. In closing I can give a girl 4 x Mr. E's donation and she still prefer Mr. E. As the board has been saying he is boots on the ground and in town more than me. Just don't be the nice guy getting burned by the girls. It is a business do not take things personal. Patts is more competitive than ever with recent influx of men under 35 years old. Of course team 1990's will try to score for free.
They can get with a local man. Say a middle of the pack working girl has 20 guys kicking the tires during high season on a busy weekend. Say Grandpa has lived in Patts for 10 years. He may say no. But say the Navy guy is in town he may bite. Then the weekend Millionaire from Mid East the next night. So even if she gets a quarter of the guys to bite (5) she is meeting her quota. It is feast or famine. During low season she may take Mr. E's offer. MP: some guys avoid weekends to get lower rates and others avoid high season. Sometimes it takes patience. Mr. E might let a girl sit on his offer for the weekend and maybe she jumps on it the next weekend. Mr. E isn't a sitting duck. He makes offers to multiple women. Sometimes they have to wait their turn after giving him a chance. During the good times the girls knew their were planes full of men with full wallets landing every week. The newbies and rookies reward marginal and hot girls all the time. They think they have access to good girls. MP understand. Some girls have jobs. This allows them to keep rates high. If she can sell lots of lady drinks she can be more loyal to her real boyfriend. If 100 guys are western union her baht she can hold out. Some girls may say. I can take MP 2 k or party on walking st with her girlfriends. If MP counters with 1500. Guess what? Mr. E is with her up later that night at the disco. When negotiating with these girls know when to be firm and walk away unless your ultra horny or have blue balls.
Danny Duck
05-11-20, 05:21
Cool mentions Mid East customers. Is Mr E fond of girl who service ME guys? That would explain a lot.
I don't see why agogos don't have different prices for their staff. Whats so hard about having different colored numbers? It would give the less than desirebles a chance while impacting the stars a smidgeon. Pretty will get customers no matter what.
What say you?
I'm not going to identify her but she had a customer who paid her triple her normal rates. The caveat was this was 1 day out of the week. He was not loyal and didn't respect her. Yes the ladies have to eat too. But she knew the rest of the week she needed a boyfriend who didn't demean her even if he paid her market rate. Technically a holiday girlfriend arrangement. So yes some girls will be with a pig occasionally for 10 k but appreciate a respectful 1 k customer more if he is treating her like a lady and making time for her. In closing I can give a girl 4 x Mr. E's donation and she still prefer Mr. E. As the board has been saying he is boots on the ground and in town more than me. Just don't be the nice guy getting burned by the girls. It is a business do not take things personal. Patts is more competitive than ever with recent influx of men under 35 years old. Of course team 1990's will try to score for free.You're completely missing one thing. That people who can pay market price also usually treat girl well. All the girls I have asked this, very few mongers actually treat girls badly. Koreans and Chinese, who pay a very good fee, are usually quite easy going. So assuming that some hot girl would prefer someone who will pay 500-1 k because he treats her well, is not very accurate because there are many who would pay market price or above market price and still treat the girl well.
Saying that, for some mongers, budget and quantity have higher priority than quality, looks and service. Which is quite fine too.
In fairness each girl has different styles. Rates has went up across SEA in the last 10 years. All it takes is for 1 guy to be generous and give a 2 k girl 5 k. Now she thinks she is 5 k.
...I suppose that is the basic assumption that motivates Price Shaming. Not that you were doing that. You weren't. However, 100s of posts by visitors and expats alike on these threads regularly contradict that premise. Sometimes by the Price Shamers themselves.
If that premise were true, it would not be possible, much less easy, for Mr. E to have ever scored a girl for 500 baht that once recently and likely several times had been paid 2,500 baht and/or for me to have ever scored a girl for 2,000 baht who once recently and likely many times had been paid 5,000 baht, each for the same amount of time and service.
Yet I can assure you I have done that and have no doubt Mr. E has as well. And I'm talking about many situations where the deal was struck before the girl knew I lived here or had ever seen or met me before. So the local resident expat vs weekend millionaire issue is not the deciding factor.
Which is why my opinion has always been that over payers are not "the enemy" when it comes to lowering Value For Money in a P4P destination or venue (at least, in Thailand) as much as low demand customers are.
It is my experience and observation that a Thai P4P girl who gives her first BBBJ+CIM, for example, and discovers she neither choked to death nor saw her tongue fall off afterwards would be inclined to add that service to her income earning offerings. Why not.
But a Thai P4P girl who gets handed a silly large amount of money for her time compared to the general going rate will probably only think there goes another weirdo, glad she got the money, but in no way thinks life going forward will be all about getting that same amount of money every time or most of the time.
Walking around Beach Road etc, what is your opinion of the stock of women compared to bygone days? Surplus stock? Pass sell by date? Good as ever? How desperate are the women in general, now that demand for their orifices has dried up? Have you spoken to any bar owners or the like with skin in the game? I am trying to gauge my return?A few others on the ground have answered this from their own perspective, but I forgot that this message was directed at me and you wanted a MP style response. So sorry for the late reply.
As of May 11, 2020.
The Beach Road Babes. Remember the most famous "Babe?" Either Ruth or The Pig, pick your choice to kiss, DFK style because it's probably cleaner than what's on Beach Road now daytime. Nothing but a bunch of homeless crack hoes and Thailand doesn't even know what crack is. They are dirty as fuck and Monkeypaw wouldn't let them suck his dick for free. I had a dirty raunchy looking one blow me a kiss as I was walking by. I ducked and weaved and ran off so that it didn't hit me. And everybody knows I've got low standards when it comes to a girl's looks, so it must be real bad. Daytime homeless hookers (5-10) can be found, yep guess right, daytime, around Soi Post Office by McD's all the way until Mike's Shopping Mall on the business side. The Beach side is closed for loitering and hanging out. You can still walk and run, but no standing around. They say it's to contain spread of CVD-19. But that's for dumbasses to believe. So kicking the hookers and their Johns to the other side is supposed to be less contagious? Smart people know that less customers, less business, less money, means no government kick backs and means you don't get to use their property for your leisure. And that means the beach. No tourists dollars means no need to open because who is going to clean the mess from all these locals picnicking on the cheap because ain't nobody got any money. Like I said, the dumbasses in charge should have never jumped the gun and scared everybody off. Imagine if the USA or UK or Spain only had the same amount of cases and deaths as what "supposedly" is reported in Thailand. There would be orgies and parties everywhere. In times like this, Thailand should have marketed themselves as the "safest, most fun place to be in the world to wait this crap out. " And those who stayed would be discounted on everything they need. If Vietnam can make the world believe the bullshit of 0 deaths, so can Thailand. Anyways, night time (around 6 pm) Beach Road gets a bit better but not much. Start of the track is from Ripley's Believe It or Not until the 7-11 next to Central, and consists of the same 20-30 girls every night. There is a decent older (40 ish) nice body short girl by Soi 12, but too old for me. There is some prissy older (late 30's) chick with a small tattoo above her ass by the old Subway. Her body looks decent, but she's always there, so something is wrong. She has a newer green motorbike who always looks the other way when I walk by. Maybe my hideous face scares her? If I was not into girls 18-29 years old, I'd bang for 1000. So Beach Road Babes pricing start at 800, but I'm sure they have taken less. I wouldn't pay more than 1000 for any of them from the Beach. Your bill from the doctor would end up being more. Beware of the underage homeless group that offers sex on Beach Road. Beware of the 1900 baht bicycle for sale (stolen) on Beach Road. Beware of the drug addicts trying to act like drug dealers on Beach Road. This strip has become a strip of scams because times are hard. Evening time police is all over trying to "fine" foreigners for no masks, no helmet, standing around, loitering, and whatever they can find. What do you think happened during the police meeting when they said no tourist dollars are coming for awhile? By the way, hottest thing on the beach are the volunteer female cops. But there was this one nicely fed, never missed a meal gal (pictured in sexy yellow sun dress) that I may have taken if it wasn't for my 5 pm appointment with a TF girls.
Buakhao Babes- Start around Lengkee until Sophon 350 Market. Many of the Beach Babes and Bobs (ladyboys) will wiggle their asses to this area around 7:30 or 8 pm, in hopes for finding a customer if they struck out on the beach. Lots of food stalls and the police even have been kicking people off the sidewalk around Tree Town. They use those spaces to rent out food stalls now. This is how it works. People socialize and congregate. They have money. Police see it as opportunity and try to make their cut. So no loitering around anymore on Buakhao unless you pay for a seat. Before they had a bunch of people buying from carts and having a picnic. Not anymore, assholes. I was sitting on my own store bought folded chair eating pizza on the sidewalk with some Americans. We were told to go home and eat at our hotel. But the locals where standing around all over other's closed businesses without any trouble. We just packed up and moved to where the locals stood to see if they will follow. They did not. There is pretty much the same chicks working everyday. The skinny one with the messed up face surgery gets most unsuspected guys. She's fun to watch when they swarm around her like vultures in front of the Tree Town food stalls by the durian stand, then the mask comes off. Bam! Yet I still see a few guys still go with her, so who knows? Maybe my eyes aren't tuned right this whole time and she's actually hot as fuck. Few girls working out of Vice City. Maybe 2 that I will try. One has short hair, rarely wears make up, and a bit thin. Kind of cute, but if she was working at a Go Go bar, I would have never bought her a drink. Desperate times. Anyways, Buakhao Babes and Bobs (ladyboys) about 20-25, same pricing as the Beach Road Babes, 800 on up. I've yet to grab any from here besides the LT girl who also worked TF, that I reviewed. There is one dark skinned chubby chick who walks around with this teddy bear that I may get with. Anybody seen her or know her story?
The rest is online via ThaiFriendly and the Go Go bars girls still here (very few I know). Most of the ones I know went home and they have enough funds to ride this through. They have even invited me to their hometowns. Yeah right, as if I've gotten "sucker" written on my forehead. These girls in this group, I've paid 800-2000. For me that's cheap as fuck. And leaves me with enough money for food. I've shouted out at a couple of board members here in Pattaya to get together and perhaps trade notes, brainstorm, and grab good pizza. Let's see what happens.
Bar owners are fucked until the fear of travel is gone and is less restricted by the outgoing country and incoming country. Vacations are a luxury. Sex vacations are even more luxury. I keep on forgetting, mongers like me are not the norm and are rare. How many of us are still in Thailand hunting? There is world wide recession going on and folks are dying right and left. This is economics 101 from my days of MBA school. When your economy slumps due to the scare on CVD-19, where do you want your own people to spend their money once you figure things out and things settle down? Yep, in your own country to help your own government. You don't want them to take money out of their own country top help rebuild another. So international travel and tourism is fucked. In places like China, Korea, etc where they are opening up, they are encouraging domestic vacations and scaring people off on international travel. This is why Thailand should have kept ALL their tourists in Thailand and all costs or no costs. Let's see what they do and can they figure this out. No tourists, means no revenue, no way to pay overhead. The bar owners are the one who lobbied the government and police to shut them down. It had nothing to do with COVID-19. It's called shift the blame game so our employees don't get mad at us. How do I know? Some restrictions and businesses have been lifted, but yet many places are still closed. Simple answer no costumers means no need to open. You are in Pattaya, with all these STD clinics. You think that people's health has always been the government's #1 priority? The rule that governs is that if "it makes money and the government gets it cut, they will overlook everything else. " Same with tobacco, weed, liquor, sex, and fast food. So imagine Pattaya as your little own country. How do you fix this? I've got an answer: This is a good time to get in with the Mafias of the world. They at least provide some lube while fucking you, unlike the government. So if you do return, the big question is how will you entertain yourself?
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Ass Addict
05-11-20, 15:20
I still don't get why you are the only one having a problem. Have you tried rebooting? LOL.One reason might be that when you've decided that you're not going to have a good time, it's going to be hard to find a girl that will make you enjoy your time with her.
No offense to Mr XXL, but his last posts doesn't reflect the psychology of a guy that is happy to be where he is right now.
When you don't show some enthusiasm in catching these girls or if they feel intimidated by you (for a compartmental or physical reason), they might not be willing to put an effort in making you happy in exchange.
Danny Duck
05-11-20, 18:23
Cool made me think.
Dynamic pricing. A mid level girl gets 2,500-3,000st at Happy agogo. During her down time she expects zero. Mr E comes along and offers 700 baht (and 2 Free drinks). Last I know 700 baht is better than No baht.
She likes him so much she adds 15 hours for free. Everybody's happy. Word spreads thru social media and boom. We hear about it everyday.
What say you!
Cool made me think.
Dynamic pricing. A mid level girl gets 2,500-3,000st at Happy agogo. During her down time she expects zero. Mr E comes along and offers 700 baht (and 2 Free drinks). Last I know 700 baht is better than No baht.
She likes him so much she adds 15 hours for free. Everybody's happy. Word spreads thru social media and boom. We hear about it everyday.
What say you!It can happen to any of us, but I would not say it happens regularly. All women inadvertantly hand it out for free or close to it every once in a while out of love, boredom, horniness or some combination of those things.
But my bet is more likely P4P ladies who very rarely if ever get takers for 2,500 - 3,000 baht are the ones who find themselves accepting 1,000 baht or less quite regularly. That's where the concept of 700 baht being better than No baht comes into play. And there are many P4P women all over Thailand in that predicament. Even during normal times before the lockdown.
If you are dedicated to targeting the most likely candidates for being in that predicament, you can easily be busy day and night with 500 - 700 baht women.
Danny Duck
05-12-20, 01:26
Gentleman,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
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Mr Enternational
05-12-20, 03:09
But my bet is more likely P4P ladies who very rarely if ever get takers for 2,500 - 3,000 baht are the ones who find themselves accepting 1,000 baht or less quite regularly. That's where the concept of 700 baht being better than No baht comes into play. And there are many P4P women all over Thailand in that predicament. Even during normal times before the lockdown.
If you are dedicated to targeting the most likely candidates for being in that predicament, you can easily be busy day and night with 500 - 700 baht women.Again the fact continues to get lost that they initially ask for the amount you guys say have to be paid in order to make them certifiable. So evidently someone is paying that. But it is not about to be me. I tell them no, I will pay this amount.
Same as when I walk onto a car lot and they are asking a certain amount. I say no I will pay this amount, and they accept. Let you tell it they are in predicaments because they never sell any cars and are just happy to get business. Maybe they realize they have marked the car up so much so that when smart mfs like me come in they have room to go down. Or maybe they should just hold out on the sale hoping someone like you comes in who is happy to pay the price they see on the window thinking it is "the price" or paying anything less would mean it is an inferior product.
So when I pay 900 baht for a taxi it is because the driver rarely if ever gets takers for the initial 1500 he asked me for? That could not be the case as many reports here that I have seen of guys paying 1500 baht for a taxi. There are literally thousands of people coming out after me to get a taxi. Why not just wait for one of them to get 1500 from? Surely you do not believe they are in some sort of predicament that does not allow them to be able to wait 5 more minutes until someone comes out and falls for 600 more baht that I am willing to pay. Or it possibly could be the case that I keep paying 900 baht for taxi rides that are greatly inferior to the 1500 baht taxi rides others are paying for?
There is absolutely nothing that says why pussy here should rent for 2500 baht. It is an arbitrary number pulled out of somebody's ass that many people decided to go along with. Why stop there? Why should it not be 4000 or 5000?
Mr Enternational
05-12-20, 04:18
Back in March I was on a dating app talking to a chick. She claimed to be Russian from Vladivostok. We got like 3 lines in. Hello, how are you doing. Nice to meet you. I asked what she was doing and she just disappeared. She was so damn fine that I knew it was probably one of those bullshit profiles. One week later I was like Hello,? Still nothing.
Fast forward to over a month later, yesterday, and the chick starts back talking again. She said that she had problems with the app. I was thinking here she goes with that bullshit. So in order to speed up where this thing was heading, I asked if she wanted to meet today. She said sure. 6 pm. By then she had given me her Line so she sent the location through that app.
I went to the place she told me at the right time. But she was not outside. I sent her a message saying I had arrived and she said she would be right out. She showed up 5 minutes later. I was thinking to myself there is no way I would have waited for a Thai chick that long. She wanted to go see what was open so she hopped on the back of my bike and we hit some restaurant along Jomtien Beach. She had shrimp and I had steamed kale. 400 baht. She had asked the restaurant about beer. I guess she has not been keeping up with the news. So she did not drink anything while I had a club soda.
When we finished eating she was still talking about beer. We decided that we would go to 7 to make a purchase then go back to her place to drink. I told her that I did not drink beer so she said the Sang Som that I was buying would do her fine. We got ice, soda, tonic, and Schweppes Manao as well. 400 baht.
Got to her condo and sat on the balcony. She had me light one of those mosquito repellent deals. I told her that I didn't know mosquitos came up this high. She had a nice view of the skyline. Could see Pattaya Park, Big Buddha, and all that shit. She told me that the building is virtually empty. She said she would be moving soon to a bigger, cheaper place in the same building because the Chinese owner does not want to come down on the rent. 7000 baht. New place is 5000 baht. She said the other place is on the third floor and has shit for a view though.
We sat there listening to music and drinking and talking. She was teaching me Russian at the same time. After finishing 3/4 of the 70 CL bottle I decided to call it a night on that drinking shit. She wanted to continue on but I told her fuck that. So she decided to go take a shower and I went in to join her. I washed her body and she washed mine.
We went to the bed and started fucking like rabbits. I thought I was in an 80's porno movie. Same BB+CIP that I previously stated to be status quo in these parts. Finished and fell the fuck asleep. We woke up this morning at 7 for round 2. She said she normally wakes at 10 or 11, but my old man bladder was bursting as is usual for early AM. Man this chick is nice with it. We went to take showers and she cooked me some breakfast and I went on my way. 800 baht for those that want to count the food and drinks while insisting that there is no such thing as free pussy.
I will probably be back over there later on today because she wants to cook dinner for me. I continue to bat 1000, which makes this the best Covid ever! I will surely have some fond memories of this shit. Now back to the my girl is better than yours because I paid more argument.
Again the fact continues to get lost that they initially ask for the amount you guys say have to be paid in order to make them certifiable. So evidently someone is paying that. But it is not about to be me. I tell them no, I will pay this amount.
Same as when I walk onto a car lot and they are asking a certain amount. I say no I will pay this amount, and they accept. Let you tell it they are in predicaments because they never sell any cars and are just happy to get business. Maybe they realize they have marked the car up so much so that when smart mfs like me come in they have room to go down. Or maybe they should just hold out on the sale hoping someone like you comes in who is happy to pay the price they see on the window thinking it is "the price" or paying anything less would mean it is an inferior product.
So when I pay 900 baht for a taxi it is because the driver rarely if ever gets takers for the initial 1500 he asked me for? That could not be the case as many reports here that I have seen of guys paying 1500 baht for a taxi. There are literally thousands of people coming out after me to get a taxi. Why not just wait for one of them to get 1500 from? Surely you do not believe they are in some sort of predicament that does not allow them to be able to wait 5 more minutes until someone comes out and falls for 600 more baht that I am willing to pay. Or it possibly could be the case that I keep paying 900 baht for taxi rides that are greatly inferior to the 1500 baht taxi rides others are paying for?
There is absolutely nothing that says why pussy here should rent for 2500 baht. It is an arbitrary number pulled out of somebody's ass that many people decided to go along with. Why stop there? Why should it not be 4000 or 5000?When any hooker looks you in the face and says, "2,500 baht", you automatically assume she regularly and often gets paid 2,500 baht? Really? Regardless what your eyes and often your ears are telling you about her relative to other hookers?
Um. Ok.
Of course team 1990's will try to score for free.Team 1990's?
They can get with a local man. Say a middle of the pack working girl has 20 guys kicking the tires during high season on a busy weekend. Say Grandpa has lived in Patts for 10 years. He may say no. But say the Navy guy is in town he may bite. Grandpa's? Do you have issues with old guys? Just curious. You have done this before too.
LittleBigMan
05-12-20, 11:07
Back in March I was on a dating app talking to a chick. She claimed to be Russian from Vladivostok. We got like 3 lines in. Hello, how are you doing. Nice to meet you. I asked what she was doing and she just disappeared. She was so damn fine that I knew it was probably one of those bullshit profiles. One week later I was like Hello,? Still nothing.
Fast forward to over a month later, yesterday, and the chick starts back talking again. She said that she had problems with the app. I was thinking here she goes with that bullshit. So in order to speed up where this thing was heading, I asked if she wanted to meet today. She said sure. 6 pm. By then she had given me her Line so she sent the location through that app.
I went to the place she told me at the right time. But she was not outside. I sent her a message saying I had arrived and she said she would be right out. She showed up 5 minutes later. I was thinking to myself there is no way I would have waited for a Thai chick that long. She wanted to go see what was open so she hopped on the back of my bike and we hit some restaurant along Jomtien Beach. She had shrimp and I had steamed kale. 400 baht. She had asked the restaurant about beer. I guess she has not been keeping up with the news. So she did not drink anything while I had a club soda.
When we finished eating she was still talking about beer. We decided that we would go to 7 to make a purchase then go back to her place to drink. I told her that I did not drink beer so she said the Sang Som that I was buying would do her fine. We got ice, soda, tonic, and Schweppes Manao as well. 400 baht.
Got to her condo and sat on the balcony. She had me light one of those mosquito repellent deals. I told her that I didn't know mosquitos came up this high. She had a nice view of the skyline. Could see Pattaya Park, Big Buddha, and all that shit. She told me that the building is virtually empty. She said she would be moving soon to a bigger, cheaper place in the same building because the Chinese owner does not want to come down on the rent. 7000 baht. New place is 5000 baht. She said the other place is on the third floor and has shit for a view though.
We sat there listening to music and drinking and talking. She was teaching me Russian at the same time. After finishing 3/4 of the 70 CL bottle I decided to call it a night on that drinking shit. She wanted to continue on but I told her fuck that. So she decided to go take a shower and I went in to join her. I washed her body and she washed mine.
We went to the bed and started fucking like rabbits. I thought I was in an 80's porno movie. Same BB+CIP that I previously stated to be status quo in these parts. Finished and fell the fuck asleep. We woke up this morning at 7 for round 2. She said she normally wakes at 10 or 11, but my old man bladder was bursting as is usual for early AM. Man this chick is nice with it. We went to take showers and she cooked me some breakfast and I went on my way. 800 baht for those that want to count the food and drinks while insisting that there is no such thing as free pussy.
I will probably be back over there later on today because she wants to cook dinner for me. I continue to bat 1000, which makes this the best Covid ever! I will surely have some fond memories of this shit. Now back to the my girl is better than yours because I paid more argument.Mr. E, is this video out already I like to obtain it and add it to my collection.
Pimpampoumpipo
05-12-20, 13:26
To wonder how we will find Pattaya on our return and even if it will be interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHb74aL4yB0&t=28s
No interest for me going there right now. The majority of the girls I was in contact with returned to their homes. Will they come back to Pattaya? Nothing is less sure. I may start looking for other destinations.
I was ready to buy an apartment in Pattaya. I had been looking for a few months. Fortunately I did not do it!
To wonder how we will find Pattaya on our return and even if it will be interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHb74aL4yB0&t=28s
No interest for me going there right now. The majority of the girls I was in contact with returned to their homes. Will they come back to Pattaya? Nothing is less sure. I may start looking for other destinations.
I was ready to buy an apartment in Pattaya. I had been looking for a few months. Fortunately I did not do it!Walking Street hasn't changed all that much since my first visit in 2003(Anyone remember FLB Bar?). Even the girls were still the same. Very sad to see that all the icons vanish. Pattaya will recover, it always does. Fewer bars, entertainment venues, etc, but maybe that'll be a good thing. However, it will take some time as I can't see many international tourists going this year. I was hoping to be back in October, but it'll more likely be March next year till I'm there.
To wonder how we will find Pattaya on our return and even if it will be interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHb74aL4yB0&t=28s
No interest for me going there right now. The majority of the girls I was in contact with returned to their homes. Will they come back to Pattaya? Nothing is less sure. I may start looking for other destinations.
I was ready to buy an apartment in Pattaya. I had been looking for a few months. Fortunately I did not do it!All my regulars who were about to come in May, decided not to come. Rightly so. And they have no idea about when they can come back. All of them have enough funds to stay afloat for few more months, and combined with their sponsors and low expenses in hometown, they're in no hurry to come back to my arms either LOL. Which is fine, I have enough in my queue. Just the other day, I was talking to another girl, who messaged me out of the blue and asked how am I doing. I met her last year around Feb and haven't met since. She didn't ask for help directly tho. She might also go back to her hometown in May end, she now works via smooci and bookings are obviously quite less.
Changing destination (country) has its own risks. Thailand has been quite safe for now. Other countries, you never know when the second wave hits, and last thing I would need is to get stuck in a country I am not familiar with. And there are very few countries where girls are actively meeting unknown mongers or new tourists. Many are just meeting regulars, so it will not be that easy to find pussies.
Pimpampoumpipo
05-12-20, 14:15
Pattaya will recover, it always does. Thank you for your support. I really hope you are right. Usually I am naturally optimistic.
Pimpampoumpipo
05-12-20, 14:16
Changing destination (country) has its own risks. Thailand has been quite safe for now. Other countries, you never know when the second wave hits, and last thing I would need is to get stuck in a country I am not familiar with. And there are very few countries where girls are actively meeting unknown mongers or new tourists. Many are just meeting regulars, so it will not be that easy to find pussies.
Pattaya is one of the only cities where I have fun without getting bored.
I know several other places in the world for P4 P, Africa, Marrakech, Havana, Mexico, Hong Kong, Manila, Angeles, Cebu, Amsterdam and even in Bangkok I end up getting bored.
When any hooker looks you in the face and says, "2,500 baht", you automatically assume she regularly and often gets paid 2,500 baht? Really? Regardless what your eyes and often your ears are telling you about her relative to other hookers?
Um. Ok.Am I the only one who can not see how EihTooms comment has anything whatsoever to do with the long-ass post he quoted?
Mr. Enternational is wrong about him getting away with paying 1000 for what others pay 3000 not having to do with his charm, or rather, attitude though. I have never met him, but based on his posts I'm sure I've seen people like him other places. They give off this "yeah, I get enough pussy as it is. Girls like to hang with me. I don't care much if you go with me or not, but if you go with me, free or not, you better believe I'll fuck you, and you'll have a good enough time too. " vibe.
Girls everywhere in the world find that vibe attractive. Not so attractive that they'd go with him for 1,000 baht instead of beer-belly Bob or grandpa Tom offering 3,000 at the same time, but if they don't have much to do at the moment, hanging out for some hours at a discount rate, or even free, is a-ok and much more fun than sitting in the room / restaurant by themselves.
If Bob or Tom suggests the same, they're going to say no, unless they're desperate for money, 'cause it just ain't fun hanging out with beer-belly Bob or grandpa Tom. This is why I think some feel the need to "not believe", or think the girls are more ugly than others. There's not much point in others trying to respond in a similar way to him as it's going to come of really incongruent and fake. The girls will just think you're stupid and laugh at you. If you're not a natural at this, you might be able to "fake it 'till you make it" though, if you put in the work.
Team 1990's?
Grandpa's? Do you have issues with old guys? Just curious. You have done this before too.It's just colorful wordplay. Most expats are older in Thailand. I was just giving an example. And you're right people make fun of the old guys on this board. But guess what? People that don't monger are even harsher. Everyone cannot stay young forever. I understand the 60 year old crowd like to cheat to prove they still got it. I have lots of friends that get fits when you tell them they are not 60 yo alpha males.
Team 1990's?
Grandpa's? Do you have issues with old guys? Just curious. You have done this before too.Team 90's was born in the 90's and are 30 and under. It's the best years of their lives. Of course they're going to try to hook up with the exotic lasses for free if they are fit and handsome. It's their best chance. They should put some effort. It would hurt their egos. Sorry, outsiders see old P4P guys as washed up has been. They see the hobby as abnormal. That is why politicians want to clean up the lucrative nightlife. They want the family Disneyworld vibe. My apologies to anyone who feels they are competing with men half their age. Makes me wonder if everything is so kosher, why visit Patts multiple times? I have no problem with guys believing the girls when they are coaxing their egos. They have families to care for. I'm not better than anyone. But a lot of guys have fragile psyches in SEA.
Am I the only one who can not see how EihTooms comment has anything whatsoever to do with the long-ass post he quoted?I think what he meant was that just because WG asked for 2500 b doesn't mean she's worth that much. Maybe she gets 1000 b usually and scoring her for 700 B is not a big deal. I see so many WGs who ask for 3000 and then agree to 1000 instantly, and to be fair, based on their looks they don't deserve more.
Mr. Enternational is wrong about him getting away with paying 1000 for what others pay 3000 not having to do with his charm, or rather, attitude though. I have never met him, but based on his posts I'm sure I've seen people like him other places. They give off this "yeah, I get enough pussy as it is. Girls like to hang with me. I don't care much if you go with me or not, but if you go with me, free or not, you better believe I'll fuck you, and you'll have a good enough time too. " vibe.
Girls everywhere in the world find that vibe attractive. Not so attractive that they'd go with him for 1,000 baht instead of beer-belly Bob or grandpa Tom offering 3,000 at the same time, but if they don't have much to do at the moment, hanging out for some hours at a discount rate, or even free, is a-ok and much more fun than sitting in the room / restaurant by themselves.
You're right, I see and know so many guys who get girls just by their personality and charm, even in Thailand. But thinking of yourself as casanova, after fucking a hooker and paying her money is ludicrous.
Am I the only one who can not see how EihTooms comment has anything whatsoever to do with the long-ass post he quoted?
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I hope so. Otherwise, there is a serious rash of reading and comprehension problems occurring among ISG members.
It is right there, practically spelled out in the first two sentences of the post I quoted and then the point is somewhat elaborated on in the rest of his post with an auto purchase analogy and so on.
There is a tomboy on TF under the female listings. The bone structure and facial features are there to be potentially very nice looking to very hot. I'm trying my best here to fuck. Anybody hit this yet? Perhaps Monkeypaw can make her love dick once more.
I think what he meant was that just because WG asked for 2500 b doesn't mean she's worth that much. Maybe she gets 1000 b usually and scoring her for 700 B is not a big deal. I see so many WGs who ask for 3000 and then agree to 1000 instantly, and to be fair, based on their looks they don't deserve more.
... Not so much that she is not "worth" her first quoted price, but that there is no reason to automatically believe she regularly and often gets paid 2,500 baht (for example) just because 2,500 baht is the first number that comes out of her mouth.
But your second sentence nails it.
Especially if we are looking at a hooker who is, say, 15-20 years older, 10-15 kilos heavier and 3 babies saggier than girls in the same vicinity who can and do quite regularly get paid 2,500 baht for their time and services.
I would no more automatically believe such a hooker regularly and often gets paid the same amount of money as the easily observable nearby alternatives than I would believe a tuk-tuk driver with a broad smile reaching out to shake my hand and saying, "Hey! I remember you!"
Pimpampoumpipo
05-12-20, 17:36
Because it is always interesting to have different point of views, I post the comment of a friend who is living since several years in Pattaya. He is married to a Thai girl. I known him over 20 years ago, we worked together in the same company in Paris.
Of course you can react and confirm or not depending on what you know about the situation on the spot or what you have observed.
This is about the video I posted earlier " will Pattaya survive? ".
"I did not know this video, but unfortunately it reflects reality, exodus of working girls, moving bars, endless queue for food distributed mainly by the farangs of" bars "(3 km this am Chayapoum / buakao), etc.
I think nothing will ever be the same, even though you can find everything you want.
Since there are no customers, it is easy to find among those who remain.
The government has also showed the color: the Chinese, Koreans and other countries close to Thailand will be welcome. And the purification of PTY of "dirty farangs" which corrupt the beautiful Thai youth.
No visibility on my return to France and for you no hope of a return to Thailand this year".
The government has also showed the color: the Chinese, Koreans and other countries close to Thailand will be welcome. And the purification of PTY of "dirty farangs" which corrupt the beautiful Thai youth.Let us recall that the "dirt" started in China (and is still there).
PedroMorales
05-12-20, 20:58
Because its year".
A fePrivate Videos.Thank you both. Very helpful. Goodbye Pattaya and thanks for the memories.
Of course they're going to try to hook up with the exotic lasses for free if they are fit and handsome. It's their best chance. They should put some effort. It would hurt their egos. Sorry, outsiders see old P4P guys as washed up has been.Some of us were too busy doing local pussy at home for free in our 20's to even consider doing P4 P in Thailand. Seeing young, handsome guys begging to barfine some third tier skanks in Pattaya now, that really oozes of desperation to me. But to each their own.
Some of us were too busy doing local pussy at home for free in our 20's to even consider doing P4 P in Thailand. Seeing young, handsome guys begging to barfine some third tier skanks in Pattaya now, that really oozes of desperation to me. But to each their own.Some guys do the soapie as a tourist thing. Some young guys today are scared of the #MeToo movement.
There is a tomboy on TF under the female listings. The bone structure and facial features are there to be potentially very nice looking to very hot. I'm trying my best here to fuck. Anybody hit this yet? Perhaps Monkeypaw can make her love dick once more.I had two Toms before. One that saw / met me on Beach Road, she was a bartender named Tee and the other was from the deep south of Thailand named Meaw. Both never had the BBC and wanted to try, I didn't leave them disappointed. Fuck, I got to get out of this sex prison!.
Team 90's was born in the 90's and are 30 and under. It's the best years of their lives. Of course they're going to try to hook up with the exotic lasses for free if they are fit and handsome. It's their best chance. They should put some effort. It would hurt their egos. Sorry, outsiders see old P4P guys as washed up has been. They see the hobby as abnormal. That is why politicians want to clean up the lucrative nightlife. They want the family Disneyworld vibe. My apologies to anyone who feels they are competing with men half their age. Makes me wonder if everything is so kosher, why visit Patts multiple times? I have no problem with guys believing the girls when they are coaxing their egos. They have families to care for. I'm not better than anyone. But a lot of guys have fragile psyches in SEA.Guess I've been lucky that people who meet me usually don't feel I am a washed up has been. Thanks for bringing me to the real world. Your wisdom is appreciated.
Thank you both. Very helpful. Goodbye Pattaya and thanks for the memories.PedroM: Pattaya will continue to be a great place to visit in the future. Other destinations will change too. The question is how long will it take for Pattaya to come back. Girls don't look sexy wearing masks.
Danny Duck
05-13-20, 07:16
Methinks c19 may have been the KO blow to Thailand in general.
Pre c19 I was in Pattaya December 2019. I recall seeing vacant business space all over in the main central area. Saw a you tube video today its even worse now.
Same goes for BKK. So many big operators have left the scene. Weeknights the Rainbows were having a real hard time.
We all agree that the famed Los nightlife has gone downhill the last 5 or so years. No freaking way it comes back.
What say you.
There is a tomboy on TF under the female listings. The bone structure and facial features are there to be potentially very nice looking to very hot. I'm trying my best here to fuck. Anybody hit this yet? Perhaps Monkeypaw can make her love dick once more.She's looking more feminine now, here's a picture from another board of what she looked like in April 2019.
She's looking more feminine now, here's a picture from another board of what she looked like in April 2019.She refused to make up even for 1500 baht. I guess either she's not quite that desperate or stupid as fuck. From that pic, I think I just saved myself from a big bowl of disappointment. I was hoping to convert her similar to this one a long time ago.
Pimpampoumpipo
05-13-20, 12:45
Many of the girls in my contacts in Pattaya have already left for their province. And those who are still there are preparing to leave. Without customers it is difficult to pay the room. Many have already sent all their savings to their families.
Pattaya is an expensive city for common Thai people.
Some of them ask me for money to return. Others tell me about their plans to open a restaurant in their city (often wishful thinking). And they take the opportunity to ask me for money for this project.
No more customers > no more girls > no more rents > no more shops > no more people = Pattaya's death at the end of the road.
Pattaya is emptying.
Arn Poddict
05-13-20, 15:01
Some of us were too busy doing local pussy at home for free in our 20's to even consider doing P4 P in Thailand. Seeing young, handsome guys begging to barfine some third tier skanks in Pattaya now, that really oozes of desperation to me. But to each their own.I did exactly as you said. Hunted local pussy at home in my 20's and 30's. With good success. Then started P4P in SEA when my luck at home went south.
Arn Poddict
05-13-20, 15:28
My apologies to anyone who feels they are competing with men half their age. Makes me wonder if everything is so kosher, why visit Patts multiple times? I have no problem with guys believing the girls when they are coaxing their egos. They have families to care for. I'm not better than anyone. But a lot of guys have fragile psyches in SEA.On my latest trip in March 2020 I often went to play pool on soi 7 in the evenings. There was one particular corner bar with nice looking slim young girl who was also quite a good player. One night this girl was busy with her friend entertaining young Caucasian guys. I would have liked to play pool with her but I could not since she was busy. So I ordered a drink and sat down waiting for the guys to leave. One older lady sitting next to me asked what do I want. I said I would have liked to play with that slim young girl. But she is busy now with those young guys. She offered to play with me. But I denied and said I wait for that girl. Then she replied to me "young girls like young boys". Maybe she got a bit upset because I did not want to play with her due to her being older. But she slipped the truth out from her mouth in that one sentence.
Every middle aged punter, who rents a girl's pussy and seriously thinks the girls are attracted to them, is an idiot.
Guess I've been lucky that people who meet me usually don't feel I am a washed up has been. Thanks for bringing me to the real world. Your wisdom is appreciated.I don't know you. I'm just a dude behind a keyboard on the other side of the globe. I wish you the best and blessings.
Girls don't look sexy wearing masks.Pftt. It depends on how freaky ya are!. Don't be in denial. 555!.
Danny Duck
05-13-20, 18:41
Many of the girls in my contacts in Pattaya have already left for their province. And those who are still there are preparing to leave. Without customers it is difficult to pay the room. Many have already sent all their savings to their families.
Pattaya is an expensive city for common Thai people.
Some of them ask me for money to return. Others tell me about their plans to open a restaurant in their city (often wishful thinking). And they take the opportunity to ask me for money for this project.
No more customers > no more girls > no more rents > no more shops > no more people = Pattaya's death at the end of the road.
Pattaya is emptying.You are good heart decent man.
Please do send them money. Give a bar girl to open a restaurant in nakon nowhere you will be surprised.
People are being wayyy overly doomsday-ish here. Sorry, but even though I have never been to Pattaya yet, I do know one thing. Follow the money. The world is not great right now, but it won't be forever. Bro, even in The Walking Dead with actual fucking zombies they had brothels, etc. Girls may be going home for now, but when countries start to open up, money comes back, it will come back like crazy. I'm going to be balls deep 8 hours a day, mask or not. Like the first good weather day of spring, girls are going to come back and it's going to be open season.
For all you nay-sayers out there who think the world if over, Pattaya is done, or shit will just never open again. I really do feel back for you on how dim your life must be if you hold out zero hope on things. I would rather be 100% wrong here and optimistic than sound so jaded like some of you guys on here.
Pimpampoumpipo
05-13-20, 21:01
You are good heart decent man.
Please do send them money. Give a bar girl to open a restaurant in nakon nowhere you will be surprised.Of course I will.
Once I have validated their business plan and the return on investment.
SouthEaster
05-13-20, 21:10
"Even in The Walking Dead. They had brothels." You do realize that show is fiction, right?
SE.
"Even in The Walking Dead. They had brothels." You do realize that show is fiction, right?
SE.Yes, but perhaps you are missing the point. Either way, man, stay positive here, even if that's all it is, the world could use more positivism right now.
Beijing4987
05-13-20, 22:54
"Even in The Walking Dead. They had brothels." You do realize that show is fiction, right?
SE.And American wrestling is real.
People are being wayyy overly doomsday-ish here. Sorry, but even though I have never been to Pattaya yet, I do know one thing. Follow the money. The world is not great right now, but it won't be forever. Bro, even in The Walking Dead with actual fucking zombies they had brothels, etc. Girls may be going home for now, but when countries start to open up, money comes back, it will come back like crazy. I'm going to be balls deep 8 hours a day, mask or not. Like the first good weather day of spring, girls are going to come back and it's going to be open season.
For all you nay-sayers out there who think the world if over, Pattaya is done, or shit will just never open again. I really do feel back for you on how dim your life must be if you hold out zero hope on things. I would rather be 100% wrong here and optimistic than sound so jaded like some of you guys on here.If Soi 6 goes up to $100ST and top gogo's $200 in 5 years a lot of guys won't come. They would be closing in on Western / Vegas prices.
Bro, even in The Walking Dead with actual fucking zombies they had brothels, etc.Are they open? Would you send me a couple of Line numbers please. Some of those zombies were HOT!! 😁.
Cheers. G.
I said I would have liked to play with that slim young girl. But she is busy now with those young guys. She offered to play with me. But I denied and said I wait for that girl. Then she replied to me "young girls like young boys". Maybe she got a bit upset because I did not want to play with her due to her being older. But she slipped the truth out from her mouth in that one sentence.This crap happens and it's not a sales tactic that works on me. I pay them to stroke my penis and ego, not to state the obvious.
Banana Boi
05-14-20, 03:48
If Soi 6 goes up to $100ST and top gogo's $200 in 5 years a lot of guys won't come. They would be closing in on Western / Vegas prices.Not even close to Vegas pricing. I used to live there. Last proposition I had from a stripper there was if I got $700 USD in lap dances she would go to the disco at Hard Rock Cafe with me. This didn't even include sex! She was from Kentucky and an easy 9. 9. This was around 2010. Made me re-evaluate why I hobbied in Las Vegas so I started going to FKK clubs.
I'm not so concerned about a price increase in Pattaya. I'm more concerned about a decline in looks. Already seen a huge difference in looks from the Good Old Days of 2016. Not sure why you guys don't go to the Thai bars. Still cheap there and the girls look better than Soi 6 that's for sure.
This group is in tuned to reality.
SNIP
No more customers > no more girls > no more rents > no more shops > no more people = Pattaya's death at the end of the road.
Pattaya is emptying.
Methinks c19 may have been the KO blow to Thailand in general.
Pre c19 I was in Pattaya December 2019. I recall seeing vacant business space all over in the main central area. Saw a you tube video today its even worse now.
Same goes for BKK. So many big operators have left the scene. Weeknights the Rainbows were having a real hard time.
We all agree that the famed Los nightlife has gone downhill the last 5 or so years. No freaking way it comes back.
What say you.
Thank you both. Very helpful. Goodbye Pattaya and thanks for the memories.This guy is not and looking at the world through rose colored glasses.
People are being wayyy overly doomsday-ish here. Sorry, but even though I have never been to Pattaya yet, I do know one thing. Follow the money. The world is not great right now, but it won't be forever. Bro, even in The Walking Dead with actual fucking zombies they had brothels, etc. Girls may be going home for now, but when countries start to open up, money comes back, it will come back like crazy. I'm going to be balls deep 8 hours a day, mask or not. Like the first good weather day of spring, girls are going to come back and it's going to be open season.Nobody on this board says P4 P is dead or sex for money is dead. But what Pattaya represents and if you have ever stepped onto Walking Street or anywhere in Pattaya, you would know what they are talking about. No other city compares to Pattaya, not Bangkok, not Angeles, not Jakarta. Last night, Mr. E, XXL, and I met up at Tree Town and our thoughts about this town was pretty much in line. We are on the ground and see the dismal despair and hopelessness. Daily long lines stretching blocks of people begging for food. Even as restrictions are lifted, most businesses stay closed in Pattaya. Where are the workers, customers, no air conditioning in the mall? Pattaya is not Bangkok or even scenic like Phuket. It survives off sex, bars, partying, and alcohol. The Health Minister knows alcohol masks body temperature. Drinking it vasodilates your blood vessels, which lowers that core temperature which can hide a low grade fever. All they have is these electronic thermometers and hand sanitizers as weapons to protect themselves to screen for symptoms. Many of these symptoms of Coronavirus is similar to being drunk besides the fever. Hence, the alcohol band in Thailand and not in other countries. Of course, they don't tell the public this. So how in the world is Pattaya ever supposed to bounce back by not being able to serve alcohol, social distancing inside a club (especially a tiny one like Palace which packs in customers for higher revenue), with every one wearing masks while trying to find the better looking girls or customers? If you know of a solution, let me know? I have an MBA in Global Business and an MHA with a minor in Epidemiology and I can't figure out any solution besides one. And that's God.
You realize that this is not a Thailand problem but a world wide problem that's going on, and a huge one at that. This is not a natural disaster like tsunami where you rebuild. Live during the Black Plague or Great Depression, and you might understand the magnitude of what's going on in the world. We are just a few months in. There has never been a vaccine for any Coronavirus (yes this is NOT the first). And Ebola, which is much deadlier, took 5 years for a vaccine, was on fast track. It's nice to be optimistic, but at least offer some rationale on your thinking or you just sound silly. It's like some of the Jews in the concentration camps just hoping for the best and turning a blind eye to the reality, all the way to their end in the giant chemical ovens. Fight back and stop living like sheep. When this started they told me not to travel. I went against it all and did my own thing because I have this thing called a brain and a mind. I trust in my own guidance over anything else out there.
You are witnessing the worse economic crisis since Great Depression. Look at the USA model and what's going on in that country when it comes to personal liberty versus public safety. It's dividing that country and now imagine that model for the entire world. People blaming others for getting sick and people fighting each other for freedom. There will be a divide, confusion, combined with a poor health system in a 3rd country is a recipe for disaster. USA is failing, while China is looming in the background, ready to take over as the #1 spot. Pay careful attention to what happens with the tension and economic warfare between these two. It WILL affect the entire world. What happens to those who align with China and embrace them (well you see what happened with the trade and import sanction imposed on Thailand by the USA recently) ? We have this global crisis pandemic like you never seen before in modern history because the economic crisis is linked a public health crisis that has always existed. COVID-19 just exposed all the flaws related to co morbidities, sanitation, and pollution. If it makes you cough or sneeze, it needs to be eliminated because asymptomatic people can spread the disease. If you want to build herd immunity or self immunity, then focus on preventing the co morbidities (cancer, cardiovascular, stroke). Which means yep. Big business like tobacco, oil companies, fast food and so on and so on. The longer this plays out, then here comes a depression with businesses failing and bail outs. But bail outs is just debt spending by countries which results in more printed paper money from a machine backed up by nothing but increase future work and inflation for the middle and lower class. Good luck traveling for mongering with inflated prices and more restrictions. Give this some thought from all perspectives and place yourself in everybody's shoes. You will understand how dismal and bleak it looks.
So yes, it does matter the price of tea in China, just like it matters what went on in Wuhan even though you lives thousands of miles away. So stop thinking on a micro (all about me) level and try a macro (the entire world) level. You only have one world unless you closed up all borders and international travel from here on out and forever. So what happens in one part of the world, can affect the entire world. Am I lying about any of this? Do your research and let me know. I'll stick to my final answer as a solution. God.
P.S. : By the way, leading up to my #333 post (Google the meaning of this number), I did give you guys fair warning and called it a FINAL COUNTDOWN. I even gave the heads up to some of you and told you to spend the last year traveling and enjoying. Feel free to go back to verify and my favorite color is still "blue. " Also, isn't strange that Thailand is 66th ranked when it come to COVID-19 with 66 country code while HR Bill 6666 about Coronavirus is being debated?
... Not sure why you guys don't go to the Thai bars. Still cheap there and the girls look better than Soi 6 that's for sure.You don't mean the beer bars do you? MILFs with mommy bodies, way beneath Soi 6 level. You must mean gogo bars.
HorseTrader
05-14-20, 05:09
If Soi 6 goes up to $100ST and top gogo's $200 in 5 years a lot of guys won't come. They would be closing in on Western / Vegas prices.
Not even close to Vegas pricing. I used to live there. Last proposition I had from a stripper there was if I got $700 USD in lap dances she would go to the disco at Hard Rock Cafe with me. This didn't even include sex! She was from Kentucky and an easy 9. 9. This was around 2010. Made me re-evaluate why I hobbied in Las Vegas so I started going to FKK clubs.My last trip to Western Nevada was about 10 years ago. Made the rounds of about 4 of the desert brothels. Lineups ranged from 2 to 8 girls and none looked good. I negotiated with 1 girl in each brothel, as best I can remember the prices were about $200 for half and half (covered blow job followed by covered sex). Similar quality girls on Beach Road might be 10% of the cost in Nevada (700 baht).
Banana Boi
05-14-20, 05:51
You don't mean the beer bars do you? MILFs with mommy bodies, way beneath Soi 6 level. You must mean gogo bars.You won't find a single girl over 25 at the Thai bars. Most are under 20. Girls do not speak much English if any at all so you will need to know some Thai. I've posted about them and posted pics of the girls available before. Most are not located anywhere near the tourist area. You will need a car for sure. The last one I knew in the tourist area was Kiss Cool which was located on 3rd Road and Soi Lengkee. That place was kick ass in 2016. I think their sister club Kiss Pub remains open in Naklua. The better ones are further away. Don't p1 ss off the wrong Thai guy or you'll be fighting 7 or his buddies in no times flat.
I did sort of stop going in early 2019 as the talent level dropped like I mentioned in my original post. I started hitting the Thai karaoke bars in Sri Racha. Some of my struggling but pretty LK Metro gogo girls started working at them.
Lucky Nuts
05-14-20, 06:13
Not even close to Vegas pricing. First let me say I would gladly pay $200 for one of the top three or four girls at Palace or Panda. But either they are only selling drinks or will only barfine with young asian guys. The top girls get to pick who fucks them while the other girls are happy with any offers.
Second I spend a few weeks each year in Vegas. Prices run the gamut. If you can even find a girl at Rhino (the best strip club) to work outside the club she'll ask $800. If you don't mind wandering center strip in the middle of the night (2 to 4 am) you will find some hot black SoCal gilrls at $200 a trick. At all various hours of the day and night you can find stragglers walking Trop near the Orleans for whatever gets them their next crack hit. A good hangout to meet more normal freelacers is the Lobby Bar at Caesars which has different girls coming and going each night to avoid security. Last Nov I found a hot one from MN here for $300 she needed to fly home for Thanksgiving. Of course all these places (except the streets) are shut down now as well.
Thank you both. Very helpful. Goodbye Pattaya and thanks for the memories.I feel you. Since, I don't see the Go Go bars opening with the same thump as before. It was sad to see the #1 club with only 15 of their worse girls and 4 customers back in March. So, I want to say a public goodbye to my favorite girl at Palace.
The Good: When I first met her, I dug her looks. I thought she was pretty hot. Body was tight. Face was pretty. Skin was white. She was my number 1 girl on Walking Street when it came to number of barfines and money spent on a girl over the years.
The Bad: Over time, she changed her look to please another class of customers. However, when I showed up, she would still go with me and not them. However, I just really wasn't fond of the change, felt like I was being punished. Body was still hot, but face errr not so much. Didn't like her new look. And I finally swapped her out for another model this past Christmas.
The Ugly: Then one day she sent me a pics of her au natural. That pretty much ended it all. Nice reminder to why I don't do long time or get into relationships or want to see girls outside of the Go Go bars. I need them dolled up and looking their best for me at all times. Monkeypaw is spoiled like that.
You can decide yourself on which exact pics are the Good, Bad, and Ugly since our tastes may vary.
Mr Enternational
05-14-20, 06:53
Girls may be going home for now, but when countries start to open up, money comes back, it will come back like crazy. I'm going to be balls deep 8 hours a day, mask or not. Like the first good weather day of spring, girls are going to come back and it's going to be open season.What comes first, the monger or the hooker? From what you wrote, your position is that the monger will come before the hooker? Who all here will come if there are no hookers though? Even you said that you are going to be balls deep AFTER it comes back like crazy. So it seems that not even you are willing to come before girls.
Many people on here say how poor the girls are and they don't even have 300 baht bus fare to get back home. How do you propose that they will get back to Pattaya with no money? I know a lot of chicks when they first come here they will get a daily rate room where they pay 500 baht/day. They will work freelance to pay that. If they were to opt for a monthly room they will have to come up with at least 9000 baht off the rip to include deposit and first month payment. Others will stay with friends. With Pattaya empty of chicks, the chances of them being able to stay with friends are very slim. Add to that Pattaya being empty of tourists, how are they supposed to make money if they came before the monger?
The next question is about bars and gogos. The owners are meeting frequently with government officials trying to come up with a plan of social distancing rules to govern them once they open again. But until then they continue to bleed because they are still having to pay expensive leases. I have already reported a chick working at a massage spot on Walking Street telling me the rent on the parlor is 150,000 baht/month, so I can't even imagine how much it is on those bars and gogos. And add to that the police extortion fee.
Hanging out with XXL and MP yesterday, we were discussing the malls about to reopen in a few days. There are no tourists here now and many locals have been out of work. Who do they think is going to be shopping in malls at a time like this? XXL said that they better prepare to have malls full of vacant stores, because who can stay in business with no customers? It is the same with the gogos. How will they pay the staff on top of the leases when there are no customers here? In addition, how are they going to get staffing back since most have gone back home? This is going to be interesting to watch.
Franciscass
05-14-20, 08:08
On my latest trip in March 2020 I often went to play pool on soi 7 in the evenings. There was one particular corner bar with nice looking slim young girl who was also quite a good player. One night this girl was busy with her friend entertaining young Caucasian guys. I would have liked to play pool with her but I could not since she was busy. So I ordered a drink and sat down waiting for the guys to leave. One older lady sitting next to me asked what do I want. I said I would have liked to play with that slim young girl. But she is busy now with those young guys. She offered to play with me. But I denied and said I wait for that girl. Then she replied to me "young girls like young boys". Maybe she got a bit upset because I did not want to play with her due to her being older. But she slipped the truth out from her mouth in that one sentence.
Every middle aged punter, who rents a girl's pussy and seriously thinks the girls are attracted to them, is an idiot.Absolutely younger women prefer to party with younger guys. Anybody not understanding that is simply in denial.
Working girls prefer older guys. Why? Because they are willing to pay for their time.
As to how they feel about their older clients it's not true in my opinion they see them as washed up old farts and anybody feeling that way should think again.
Far from it quite often they click with them, enjoy their company, enjoy the sex and even occasionally fall in love.
Sure some are good at feigning affection and too often inexperienced punters get taken in but most of the time from both perspectives it is just business no more no less.
She refused to make up even for 1500 baht. I guess either she's not quite that desperate or stupid as fuck. From that pic, I think I just saved myself from a big bowl of disappointment. I was hoping to convert her similar to this one a long time ago.She look really nice pretty.
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Hanging out with XXL and MP yesterday, we were discussing the malls about to reopen in a few days. There are no tourists here now and many locals have been out of work. Who do they think is going to be shopping in malls at a time like this? XXL said that they better prepare to have malls full of vacant stores, because who can stay in business with no customers? It is the same with the gogos. How will they pay the staff on top of the leases when there are no customers here? In addition, how are they going to get staffing back since most have gone back home? This is going to be interesting to watch.Yes, I don't see anything remotely close to a snap back to normal conditions in Bangkok either anytime soon. It'll require a huge leap of faith for anyone to invest serious money in any business that relies on groups or crowds of people passing through your doorway, breathing the same air, touching the same things within minutes or each other purposely or inadvertently. That includes malls, shops, bars, clubs, discos, etc.
There will be a few brave souls who will take the plunge on both sides of the cash register. But you're asking tourists to leap through flaming hoops at airports on each side of the trip and pay in advance for rooms in a destination that might only have a half dozen stray and worn out FLs within taxi distance.
Lining up several FLs on the dating sites in advance would probably produce 1 worthwhile session in 20 chats, set appontments and grand plans. LOL. Hell, it's almost that bad of a ratio for those of us who live here as long as more girls are fleeing to their family province instead of migrating to Bangkok. For what?
I am very happy to already have several winner repeats and regulars on tap here with only the need and time to try and add someone new once every week or so.
I am seeing more and more shops, restaurants and pop up spaces being completely gutted and abandoned lately. Clearly, they are not planning to reopen. So who will put serious money into those places when there are practically no customers?
What comes first, the monger or the hooker?
Hanging out with XXL and MP yesterday, we were discussing the malls about to reopen in a few days. There are no tourists here now and many locals have been out of work. Who do they think is going to be shopping in malls at a time like this?The mongers always come first but the girls soon follow when word gets out that money has returned to town. Pattaya, Subic et al all got a start from GIs arriving in town. The first GIs didn't go there because of a pre existing hooker population.
Mid term I think you are correct. However, short term you may be surprised. Here in Whiteman's Land our malls etc are just reopening also while everyone is unemployed, broke etc. Guess what? They are all packed with people buying shit they don't want or need.
Enjoy. G.
Mr Enternational
05-14-20, 10:18
The mongers always come first but the girls soon follow when word gets out that money has returned to town. Pattaya, Subic et al all got a start from GIs arriving in town. The first GIs didn't go there because of a pre existing hooker population.Totally different scenario though. Like a buddy of mine that lives here. He was first working in Khon Kaen and somebody recommend he come to Pattaya. Eventually he retired and moved here. GIs were already over this way as well and it was a long way to go back home.
Is a monger willing to travel for leisure to the other side of the world in hopes that within his vacation time other mongers will also arrive in order to lure uncertain chicks from their villages?
The mongers always come first but the girls soon follow when word gets out that money has returned to town. Pattaya, Subic et al all got a start from GIs arriving in town. The first GIs didn't go there because of a pre existing hooker population.
Mid term I think you are correct. However, short term you may be surprised. Here in Whiteman's Land our malls etc are just reopening also while everyone is unemployed, broke etc. Guess what? They are all packed with people buying shit they don't want or need.
Enjoy. G.I hope you are correct about that. However, as Mr. E stated, that is a very different scenario. A couple of them, actually. I'm guessing the people packing reopened malls in Whiteman's Land are not tourists who just arrived in town on vacation and staying at expensive hotels in the neighborhood as is usually the case with buyers (not just lookie loos) in the Central and Terminal 21 malls. I assume they are locals. Well, the locals here have been able to shop and buy things in most of their usual go-to markets all along.
And those GIs were brought to Pattaya on ships and planes whether they wanted to come here or not. They did not have to jump through flaming hoops and pay their own fare to get here.
I'm also assuming girls all over the country knew those GIs were on their way in sizable numbers long before boots were on the ground. So they were already packing their bags before the first beer got bought by a GI in a bar. I don't know how long it will be before they hear about huge numbers of male tourists booking flights to Thailand or when they will be allowed to do so. And, btw, flying here for what? Business? Maybe.
Hello Folks, I met Koop in the third week of Jan this year on Beach Road. She generally hangs out near Soi 11 on both sides of the road. She was a great character & lovely girl. I didn't take her contact details when I met her. I would like to meet her again the next time when I'm in Patttaya. She is on Thai Friendly but has not logged in for more than a year. Any one has her contact details? Can you please share?
Mr. Enternational. I'm counting you on this one.
Is a monger willing to travel for leisure to the other side of the world in hopes that within his vacation time other mongers will also arrive in order to lure uncertain chicks from their villages?Yes. Words are cheap but there is no shortage of reports here of guys wanting to jump on the first plane available.
Your most recent reports show that should a guy (s) arrive eminently bangable girls will appear via TF, Tinder etc. I don't think girls will make the same truly spec trip but as ET mentioned, as soon as inbound flights do become available the jungle drums will beat load and clear and girls will bus in to meet new arrivals.
I don't want to present it as bad one day, good the next but supply will rise to meet demands numbers on both side of the transaction rise. Well I hope so any way. 😀.
LittleBigMan
05-14-20, 11:57
Let us just take one country the USA Currently or soon there will be 40,000 million on unemployment and even when they start to open up how many of those going back to work is going to tell their employer " I'm taking my vacation " it will be a good year before those who are working before they return. The only ones retirees, well off and self-employed are going anywhere near an airplane.
Now if I'm even close to right apply that to the rest of the world including China and S. Korea. Today I had to pick up a part for my fan down at Naklua, before going home I took a cruise up Naklau, down Soi 6, up and down Soi 7-8, down Beach Road, into Walking Street, down to Bali Hi, around back to Second Rd, to Pattaya Klang, back up Soi Baukhao through a number of Soi's and I'll take a guess there are lots of shops just not coming back even when things open up in two weeks.
If you live here you have the place to yourself so no need to fight about price or looks whatever fun you have it will be on what you make it!
Mumbai Guy
05-14-20, 14:09
Hello Folks, I met Koop in the third week of Jan this year on Beach Road. She generally hangs out near Soi 11 on both sides of the road. She was a great character & lovely girl. I didn't take her contact details when I met her. I would like to meet her again the next time when I'm in Patttaya. She is on Thai Friendly but has not logged in for more than a year. Any one has her contact details? Can you please share?
Mr. Enternational. I'm counting you on this one.Is she the last girl available in Pattaya?? Forget her dude. You will find a dozen more like her when you go there.
Pimpampoumpipo
05-14-20, 14:47
Mr. Enternational. I'm counting you on this one.Mr Enternational probably knows her.
Pimpampoumpipo
05-14-20, 14:52
Is she the last girl available in Pattaya?? Forget her dude. You will find a dozen more like her when you go there.You don't understand anything about love ^^
Pimpampoumpipo
05-14-20, 15:02
The mongers always come first but the girls soon follow when word gets out that money has returned to town. Pattaya, Subic et al all got a start from GIs arriving in town. The first GIs didn't go there because of a pre existing hooker population.
Yes and at first the mongers jack off themselves while waiting.
I have another example: let's take the case of gold mines. First there is gold and then there are gold diggers (but not vice versa).
And after there is the gold rush lol.
Danny Duck
05-14-20, 17:19
You tuber Thailand Bound. Check him out, entertaining. Actually covers Bargirl stuff.
In comments a guy nick Saul Saul claims to have and a Pattaya bar manager for 5 years. Says the average girl has 500 customers a year.
I pointed out 500 times $70 is $35,000 a year for the average barbabe.
He said I shouldn't doubt him. I doubt his figures. I trust my eyes.
What say you?
Pimpampoumpipo
05-14-20, 20:30
I pointed out 500 times $70 is $35,000 a year for the average barbabe.35,000 $ is about $ 3,000 a month. It's 2500 baths per days. Average 1 to 3 customers per day for a girl in soi 6 or in massage shop (to ponder with her menstrual days). I think it's realistic.
A beautiful gogo bar girl can earn more than her customers.
You tuber Thailand Bound. Check him out, entertaining. Actually covers Bargirl stuff.
In comments a guy nick Saul Saul claims to have and a Pattaya bar manager for 5 years. Says the average girl has 500 customers a year.
I pointed out 500 times $70 is $35,000 a year for the average barbabe.
He said I shouldn't doubt him. I doubt his figures. I trust my eyes.
What say you?I don't usually privy into financials of bar girls unless I know them well. So not an expert, but one of my regular who is a gogo girl, makes around 150 k baht per month during high season. No wonder she's in no hurry to come back.
35,000 $ is about $ 3,000 a month. It's 2500 baths per days. Average 1 to 3 customers per day for a girl in soi 6 or in massage shop (to ponder with her menstrual days). I think it's realistic.
A beautiful gogo bar girl can earn more than her customers.I think twice a day for 250 days a year is on the low end of the scale for a girl who is moderately attractive and ST focused.
We had a similar discussion on the Phippines board a while ago on how many guys the girls bang over a working life. Grab a calculator and the numbers gets surprising real quick.
G.
I think twice a day for 250 days a year is on the low end of the scale for a girl who is moderately attractive and ST focused.
We had a similar discussion on the Phippines board a while ago on how many guys the girls bang over a working life. Grab a calculator and the numbers gets surprising real quick.
G.Girls can still earn money on their off days and rag when you factor in social media money western union papis. Some guys have paid and didn't have intercourse. Pathetic Loser Mongers (see Tijuana board) have no problems giving a girl 4 k with a CentralFest shopping spree included. Some guys pay girls top dollar and feel guilty if they don't give her an occasional gift. That's why hotties be looking stress free. They have deep pocket sponsors.
As previously mentioned she can be primarily ST. The bottom feeders value service. So the Beach Rd fanatics can book up the bottom basement chick that performs well. Those guys go for bang for dollar. So they overlook the mediocre hygiene and looks.
(to ponder with her menstrual days)
Obviously, you didn't notice the tiny bath sponges that are for sale all over Pattaya.
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