Pattaya Reports [Archive] - Page 121

MonkeyPaw

05-15-20, 03:02

No bars, no clubs, no agogos. I've given up on the street scene, so it's all about ThaiFriendly reviews from here on out. First off the prices are all over the map. You can see some former Soi 6 Slutties, Beach Road Babes, and even GoGo Ho's mixed in with the freelancers. I tend to try for the very shy or insecure ones that have this red "does not reply to many messages or rarely replies to messages" on their profile. Not sure why, but I think I like to break spirits. If you catch my drift in what that means. I've had offers from "No" and "Ask your mother," all the way up to 4000 baht for short time. But I find that most of these girls are not budging off the prices they normally receive from their previous place of work, except Go Go bar girls at 1500-2500. However is the value still there? The typical Go Go bar girl was 2500-3000ST (2 hours max). When you figure in the time it takes to get to your room and time allowed for her to come back to the club, what's the actual cost and value? These TF girls (that I go after) ST rates are typically 1200-1500 for 1 hour and 1 pop. So are TF girls really now asking for Go Go bar prices when you break it down by the hour? There are exceptions, but not going to debate on the exceptions. So far I find it pretty much you pay what you feel the girl is worth. If I were you and money conscious, I would not pay more than 2000 and she better be a stunner. The best value I got was 1700 from a girl name Sky, I already reviewed. Be sure to ask about services ahead of time, calculate that BMI, inspect the pics, ask her to show up with make up and not looking like she just woke up, or on the way to buy eggs and you are just chore for cash, and referrals are the best. So I'm going to review my best ThaiFriendly girls and experiences and share because it's the Monkeypaw way.

P.S. : If you have different rates for any of these girls in the upcoming reviews, please share your quote. Just want to make sure I'm not getting ripped off. Funniest one was a 77 lbs chick with no tits or ass, and a golden pussy quoting me 3000 baht.

Mr Enternational

05-15-20, 05:52

Western union and other remittances does not last. As I know many remitters want absolute loyalty which these girls are unable to keep. Besides men do get tired of one girl and always want a new one especially if they have money.That does not seem to be the case of all the ISG guys that talk about sending girls money. The theme that I see is that they don't expect loyalty but want the girl to be available for them when they are called upon. Plus it makes them feel good inside to be of help in their time of need. Many will talk about only sending to chick they know very well or go way back with. They also say that when they find a gem they want to keep her around.

I never see any talk about them getting tired of them and wanting a new one. That kind of talk comes from guys like me who do not send money and hardly ever fuck the same chick twice. You will not catch a variety guy like me sending a chick money. We are more like bih I don't even know you like that. The guys that spend more time and don't want to change out chicks are the ones running around arguing with them about mundane stuff and sending them money. Guys like me will just assume get another one the same place that we found that one rather than send money when asked or voluntarily.

RajHyd

05-15-20, 07:15

Is she the last girl available in Pattaya?? Forget her dude. You will find a dozen more like her when you go there.Agree that she is not the last girl available, there are girls better & worst than her. I liked her so just want to see her again next time, simple!

You don't understand anything about love ^^Hahahaha, not in lover with her.

XXL

05-15-20, 11:48

Pimpampoumpipo

05-15-20, 12:18

That does not seem to be the case of all the ISG guys that talk about sending girls money. The theme that I see is that they don't expect loyalty but want the girl to be available for them when they are called upon. Plus it makes them feel good inside to be of help in their time of need. Many will talk about only sending to chick they know very well or go way back with. They also say that when they find a gem they want to keep her around.

I never see any talk about them getting tired of them and wanting a new one. That kind of talk comes from guys like me who do not send money and hardly ever fuck the same chick twice. You will not catch a variety guy like me sending a chick money. We are more like bih I don't even know you like that. The guys that spend more time and don't want to change out chicks are the ones running around arguing with them about mundane stuff and sending them money. Guys like me will just assume get another one the same place that we found that one rather than send money when asked or voluntarily.It all depends on what we are looking for.

There is not much point in me staying with the same girl in a city like Pattaya, Angeles or HK. I change the girl 2 or 3 times a day, each time for ST and I do not try to spend the night with an LT, I like my tranquility and I prefer to be able to read and fart quietly in bed.

But I also move often. When I go scuba diving in a very isolated interesting spot in the Philippines or Thailand, or I take a week to travel to distant and isolated places, or where it is difficult to find girls, I like be accompanied by a girl who I like, whom I know and who seems reliable. In this situation relations deepen. And I avoid farting in bed.

So I have both types of knowledge.

LittleBigMan

05-15-20, 13:27

I had the privilege of meeting MonkeyPaw and Mr E in flesh and blood. It's nice to put faces on names one has rubbed shoulders with in forums for months.

Short times were had with 2 girls MonkeyPaw connected me with. At 1500 Baht number one belonged to the class of girls who wouldn't go for less than 3000 in gogos. Number two cost me 1000 + 200 transport money to and from Jomtien, less glamorous than number one but also very good value for time and money. Planning to repeat with both.

TreeTown is now the epicentre of Pattaya's residual nightlife.

I walked down Soi 6 in mid-afternoon. There was some sense life was ever so slightly trying to reassert itself.Not surprise about Treetown since the front portion is operated by a pool of influence that operates out of Immigration.

Mr Enternational

05-15-20, 13:41

There is not much point in me staying with the same girl in a city like Pattaya, Angeles or HK. I change the girl 2 or 3 times a day, each time for ST and I do not try to spend the night with an LT, I like my tranquility and I prefer to be able to read and fart quietly in bed.

But I also move often. When I go scuba diving in a very isolated interesting spot in the Philippines or Thailand, or I take a week to travel to distant and isolated places, or where it is difficult to find girls, I like be accompanied by a girl who I like, whom I know and who seems reliable. In this situation relations deepen. And I avoid farting in bed.I also go scuba diving all over and take a chick. The chick that I take is going to be a non-pro. And if she is not, then I make an arrangement that her payment is the trip. No matter the case, I am not sending Western Union and other remittances to any of them.

The other day MP was saying he does not like to do LT for one of the same reasons as you. I do not understand the shy stuff at all. You already fucked each other and had each other's private parts in your mouths. Just fart in front of her and get it out of the way. I told him that I will go and take a shit and leave the door open so she can hear me when I call her in to wipe my ass. Hell, I had already pissed on her earlier when we were in the shower together. So what is the big deal?

The Cane

05-15-20, 14:08

And I avoid farting in bed.This is a good thing as one should remain 6 feet away from others at all times when farting in order to prohibit the spread of coronavirus through the air.

MonkeyPaw

05-15-20, 15:48

The other day MP was saying he does not like to do LT for one of the same reasons as you. I do not understand the shy stuff at all. You already fucked each other and had each other's private parts in your mouths. Just fart in front of her and get it out of the way. I told him that I will go and take a shit and leave the door open so she can hear me when I call her in to wipe my ass. Hell, I had already pissed on her earlier when we were in the shower together. So what is the big deal?I do LT now and then, but just not let them sleep over. I've kept a girl until 8 am, but I had to sleep on the couch. She was passed out after the club. So actually, the real reason is 2 am every night on a full moon, I change into a werewolf and I kill and devour anything in my room. So that's why I don't like for them to sleep over. The other reasons are:

1. Freedom. I love my freedom.

2. I'm a very light sleeper, I don't want to even hear breathing.

3. I don't want to see them without makeup.

4. I feel weird that my other girls LiNE me or other guys LINE her.

5. I don't want to give them the idea they are special.

6. I can't sleep well with anybody next to me. Monkeypaw needs beauty rest.

7. I don't want to cuddle or be touched unless we are fucking.

8. I've never fuck upon just waking up, so no need to sleep over.

By the way BeerHub just opened with 15% discount but had no customers. And Mr. E is pretty much right on about picking up non working girls. A smoothie stall owner was being extra nice and flirty with me, but those who know me. Know I can't let them get close and crazy. It's bad for our family business.

Pimpampoumpipo

05-15-20, 15:57

I also go scuba diving all over and take a chick. The chick that I take is going to be a non-pro. And if she is not, then I make an arrangement that her payment is the trip. No matter the case, I am not sending Western Union and other remittances to any of them.

The other day MP was saying he does not like to do LT for one of the same reasons as you. I do not understand the shy stuff at all. You already fucked each other and had each other's private parts in your mouths. Just fart in front of her and get it out of the way. I told him that I will go and take a shit and leave the door open so she can hear me when I call her in to wipe my ass. Hell, I had already pissed on her earlier when we were in the shower together. So what is the big deal?Hahaha.

I have to admit that I'm just an amateur and that you're a real pro.

Total respect !

Danny Duck

05-15-20, 15:59

EihTooms

05-15-20, 16:40

I had the privilege of meeting MonkeyPaw and Mr E in flesh and blood. It's nice to put faces on names one has rubbed shoulders with in forums for months.

Short times were had with 2 girls MonkeyPaw connected me with. At 1500 Baht number one belonged to the class of girls who wouldn't go for less than 3000 in gogos. Number two cost me 1000 + 200 transport money to and from Jomtien, less glamorous than number one but also very good value for time and money. Planning to repeat with both.
...Sounds like you way overpaid by at least 800 baht for that first one and by at least 500 baht for the second one. Maybe even by 1,000 baht and 700 baht, respectively, which should have included no conversation, no objections BBFS+CIP. That is, if you'd had to pay anything at all as well as getting free dinner out of them.

You obviously were not receptive to the expert guidance right there at your disposal 😁

MonkeyPaw

05-15-20, 16:41

I had the privilege of meeting MonkeyPaw and Mr E in flesh and blood. It's nice to put faces on names one has rubbed shoulders with in forums for months.

Short times were had with 2 girls MonkeyPaw connected me with. At 1500 Baht number one belonged to the class of girls who wouldn't go for less than 3000 in gogos. Number two cost me 1000 + 200 transport money to and from Jomtien, less glamorous than number one but also very good value for time and money. Planning to repeat with both.

TreeTown is now the epicentre of Pattaya's residual nightlife.

I walked down Soi 6 in mid-afternoon. There was some sense life was ever so slightly trying to reassert itself.Yeah, I have to remind these ThaiFriendly girls to wear make up. I've learn to really hate ULINE or whatever that filter app is called. I try to mix it in with all my sweet talk to them.

Gargano19

05-15-20, 19:56

Yeah, I have to remind these ThaiFriendly girls to wear make up. I've learn to really hate ULINE or whatever that filter app is called. I try to mix it in with all my sweet talk to them.For me it's opposite. I prefer as less make up as possible. Many WGs here have no sense of makeup and think more is better. So for few cases, I explicitly mention not to have too much makeup. That's usually 1 in 8 girls I meet.

Goferring

05-15-20, 22:37

1. Freedom. I love my freedom.

2. I'm a very light sleeper, I don't want to even hear breathing.

3. I don't want to see them without makeup.

4. I feel weird that my other girls LiNE me or other guys LINE her.

5. I don't want to give them the idea they are special.

6. I can't sleep well with anybody next to me. Monkeypaw needs beauty rest.

7. I don't want to cuddle or be touched unless we are fucking.

8. I've never fuck upon just waking up, so no need to sleep over.

I'm the opposite for most of these especially #8. Breakfast is the most important meal and root of the day. Getting a ST or Online girl to arrive, without me leaving the room to find her, before 10 am is akin to solving world hunger. Much easier to just keep her for the night so that she is there, ready and waiting, upon wake up.

Enjoy. G.

Member #4698

05-15-20, 23:55

EihTooms

05-16-20, 03:59

My reasons for preferring LT over ST are pretty mundane, I guess. I certainly no longer need nor want marathon sex into the night most of the time, multiple pops and another pop first thing in the morning. Although I do enjoy fucking in the morning, I prefer not to cum then and would rather maintain a horny edge for another girl later that day or evening.

No, I just don't like the feeling of time pressure to perform sooner than later hanging over like a cloud. And after we finish I like to wash off and lay around with her, watch a movie, fall asleep, whatever without going through the bit about putting my pants and shoes on. My situation generally has required me to walk her down to the front entrance, not just say bye at my apartment unit door. I am too lazy to do any of that right after fucking.

Banana Boi

05-16-20, 05:43

First let me say I would gladly pay $200 for one of the top three or four girls at Palace or Panda. But either they are only selling drinks or will only barfine with young asian guys. The top girls get to pick who fucks them while the other girls are happy with any offers.I believe I met you one night when I was with Racshack and SexMachine. You could have asked me to help you get one of the girls you wanted. With me being a familiar face at the gogo bars may have helped you get who you wanted.

HorseTrader

05-16-20, 06:09

I prefer short time because I'm afraid what the girl might do while I'm sleeping. I've never had a problem with my few long time experiences, but I still worry about it.

Danny Duck

05-16-20, 06:11

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Crocodilexp

05-16-20, 06:48

For me it's opposite. I prefer as less make up as possible. Many WGs here have no sense of makeup and think more is better. So for few cases, I explicitly mention not to have too much makeup. That's usually 1 in 8 girls I meet.I also prefer less or no makeup. You're being generous, I think 1 in 20 Thai working girls knows how to do subtle makeup right, and the ultra-slutty overly made up look does not do favors to typical Thai features at all. Those monster eyebrows almost every girl is wearing these days are a special turn-off.

Tattoos don't help either, and it's hard to find a working girl these days who doesn't have them. It's possible for some tattoos to look good on a girl in her twenties, but they almost never do on any woman over 30. The tats almost all Pattaya working girls are sporting these days screams dirty gutter skank.

Thai women are at their best when they're emphasizing their natural sweetness, not aggressive skanky type of sexuality (that might suit some other groups better, like Latinas or Farang). Back in the day, it was easy to find sweet girls, but these days there's almost no working girl in Pattaya I'd want to spend time with beyond one or two shots, so for me, a LT is a thing of the past.

Mr Enternational

05-16-20, 09:35

and the ultra-slutty overly made up look does not do favors to typical Thai features at all. Those monster eyebrows almost every girl is wearing these days are a special turn-off.What you are describing is their club ego. Now that there are no clubs open you are not seeing chicks around here looking like that. The same as you are not seeing them walk around in high heel shoes. I think MP's problem is that he is used to getting the chicks from the clubs when they are made up like that. Now that there are no clubs going on they are just showing up how they normally look everyday and he is like wtf I want to see you like I see you at the club or how you were on those fancy Thai Friendly pictures that you took at the club.

I have always preferred to have the normal ego show up at my doorstep. They are also much cheaper than club egos at this stage. Any monger that participates in freelance like I do will tell you that the same chick is way cheaper when she is not inside of some venue as her club ego. Maybe that is why dudes are saying my prices are not real. They are used to taking the club her for 3000 while I am taking the normal her for 1000. (Even though I still pick up chicks from the discos at 1000.)

The last Soi 6 chick that I had looked amazing when I met her as her club ego. How much would she have cost me had I taken her right there? But I chose to wait until after she finished work and picked her up from home for 1,000. When she came outside with a baseball cap, t-shirt, stretch pants, and sneakers on she looked nothing like the 3,000 baht club ego. But it was the same damn girl.

I guarantee that if we walk up to the best chick that we see on Buakhao tonight, none will tell us 2000 or 3000 as they might say in a club or start out with online. And 9 times out of 10 the chick will say she works at one of those sex venues during non-covid times.

Pimpampoumpipo

05-16-20, 10:47

Tattoos don't help either, and it's hard to find a working girl these days who doesn't have them. It's possible for some tattoos to look good on a girl in her twenties, but they almost never do on any woman over 30. The tats almost all Pattaya working girls are sporting these days screams dirty gutter skank.
.I hate tattoos. They distort the sensuality, color and texture of the skin. They are often quite vulgar. A real kills-love.

There is a girl at Sapphyr a Gogo who is tattooed on both sides from head to toe. It looks like a printed sheet. Impossible to know what we are caressing.

May just be useful to read if you get bored while having sex.

Gargano19

05-16-20, 11:56

I also prefer less or no makeup. You're being generous, I think 1 in 20 Thai working girls knows how to do subtle makeup right, and the ultra-slutty overly made up look does not do favors to typical Thai features at all. Those monster eyebrows almost every girl is wearing these days are a special turn-off.

Tattoos don't help either, and it's hard to find a working girl these days who doesn't have them. It's possible for some tattoos to look good on a girl in her twenties, but they almost never do on any woman over 30. The tats almost all Pattaya working girls are sporting these days screams dirty gutter skank.

Thai women are at their best when they're emphasizing their natural sweetness, not aggressive skanky type of sexuality (that might suit some other groups better, like Latinas or Farang). Back in the day, it was easy to find sweet girls, but these days there's almost no working girl in Pattaya I'd want to spend time with beyond one or two shots, so for me, a LT is a thing of the past.Damn right about those eyebrows, and those ugly red cheeks (christ that's not natural cheek color, ditch it already). Tatoos and heels have never bothered me, but when some wgs make huge noise by heels while walking with me, is annoying af. But I have never dated a girl with tatoos, so I guess I am not into it either.

Saying that, some are actually quite good at it and look super hot, it's just they are rare. 1 in 20 like you said.

EihTooms

05-16-20, 12:35

What you are describing is their club ego. Now that there are no clubs open you are not seeing chicks around here looking like that. The same as you are not seeing them walk around in high heel shoes. I think MP's problem is that he is used to getting the chicks from the clubs when they are made up like that. Now that there are no clubs going on they are just showing up how they normally look everyday and he is like wtf I want to see you like I see you at the club or how you were on those fancy Thai Friendly pictures that you took at the club.

I have always preferred to have the normal ego show up at my doorstep. They are also much cheaper than club egos at this stage. Any monger that participates in freelance like I do will tell you that the same chick is way cheaper when she is not inside of some venue as her club ego. Maybe that is why dudes are saying my prices are not real. They are used to taking the club her for 3000 while I am taking the normal her for 1000. (Even though I still pick up chicks from the discos at 1000.)

The last Soi 6 chick that I had looked amazing when I met her as her club ego. How much would she have cost me had I taken her right there? But I chose to wait until after she finished work and picked her up from home for 1,000. When she came outside with a baseball cap, t-shirt, stretch pants, and sneakers on she looked nothing like the 3,000 baht club ego. But it was the same damn girl.

I guarantee that if we walk up to the best chick that we see on Buakhao tonight, none will tell us 2000 or 3000 as they might say in a club or start out with online. And 9 times out of 10 the chick will say she works at one of those sex venues during non-covid times.Is the 1,000 baht you are paying those (normally) 3,000 baht club girls for ST or LT?

Seems to me I have been reading the better club girls are the ones getting 3,000 baht for ST. Normally.

Member #4698

05-16-20, 14:16

I hate tattoos. They distort the sensuality, color and texture of the skin. They are often quite vulgar. A real kills-love.

There is a girl at Sapphyr a Gogo who is tattooed on both sides from head to toe. It looks like a printed sheet. Impossible to know what we are caressing.Normally I totally agree with your low opinion of tats and go out of my way to avoid barfining such girls. But I have learned from punting a long time that every rule needs to be broken once in a while.

Case in point: I was minding my own business in Billboard one evening last year when I spotted a heavily tattooed girl standing on the rim of the hot tub topless wearing only her string bikini bottom. Normally I would not have given this chick a 2nd glance, but there was something special about the way she was handling herself and attracting the attention of a couple Korean guys sitting right in front of her. She had those guys eating out of the palm of her hand and by the way she handled herself with such confidence and ease, I knew that she was the reigning Princess of the Billboard Hot Tub. Those Korean guys apparently knew it too because they were continually stuffing baht into her bikini bottom.

So, I watched her for a while as I continued to look around the carousel for a girl more to my taste. But the funny thing was that like a magnate I kept glancing back over at that hot tub girl. The way she handled herself was really unique and kind of impressive. Thus I decided I had to try her because I knew that if I passed on the opportunity I would regret it. So, I gave her a smile and a nod, she smiled back and after her set she came over to my table. I bought her a drink, we chatted, she seemed like a nice girl, if you know what I mean, and I went for it. 555. She went to go get changed and when she came out she still looked totally outrageous because her street clothes could not fully cover all her tats. 555. She was quite a sight. My little hot tub princess. BTW, I was staying at the Intercontinental at the time and I remember feeling proud walking this little tart past the beautiful Thai door girls in their formal dress, who were saying sawadika to us as they gave us a genteel and proper Wai as well as walking hand in hand with my little hot tub princess through the well-lit, super glitzy lobby. We must have been quite a sight. I loved it! Anyway, despite all her outrageous tats C turned out to be a very nice girl with a charming personality and she showed me a pretty good time.

About a week later I hooked up my pal Syzygies and we went barhopping in Nana. After stopping by the 1st couple of bars he suggested we go to Billboard. I said that is fine. I will introduce you to my little tattoo princess. You won't believe I shagged this girl. So, we went to Billboard and sure enough I spotted little Miss Tattoo doing her thing being the princess of the hot tub and getting all the attention from the guys sitting in front of her. She saw me and gave me a big smile. I indicated that she should come over to my table after her set and she nodded agreement. Then I pointed her out to Syzygies knowing full well what he would think of her. 555. I knew he thought I had temporarily lost my mind, but he was too polite to say anything. Ha Ha. I just said, "watch her do her thing and tell me she is not unique and in her realm. ".

So eventually, my little tattoo princess comes over super happy to see me, sits on my lap and starts purring. I order a drink for her and we get friendly while I continue conversing with my friend who as we all know speaks fluent Thai. After our 2nd round I take little Miss Sunshine aside and give her the bad news: no barfine tonight, but I slip her 200 baht to make things ok and kiss her goodbye. My friend and I leave and hit a few more bars before finally settling in at Rainbow 2 where I meet the lovely Miss D. who a later becomes one of my favorite NEW repeat girls of 2019. I am still looking forward to seeing Miss D. when / if I ever return to LOS. So, all told it was a very good night for me.

The end of my romance with the Princess of the Billboard Hot tub came a few nights later when, true to my word, I went back to see her and barfine her one more time. The sex was just as good as the first time and afterwards I took her out for dinner, but I knew by the end of the evening that her novelty had worn off and I was not going to barfine her again. She just had too many tattoos and as such was just not my type, but holly cow, she really sports an outrageous look and has an amazing presence in her hot tub realm. The long story short is I was right taking her those two times. She was a one of kind girl with an amazing personality and stage presence, a pretty good body, and an unbelievable set of tats. Good job Natty, proving every rule can and should be broken on the right occasion.

Normally I don't post pics of my girls, but due to the unique attributes of this girl, here are a couple of her (note that between the 1st night and the 2nd night I changed hotels and she changed her hair color from blond to brunette - I prefer her as a blond) :

Turgid

05-16-20, 15:14

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1. Freedom. I love my freedom.

2. I'm a very light sleeper, I don't want to even hear breathing.

3. I don't want to see them without makeup.

4. I feel weird that my other girls LiNE me or other guys LINE her.

5. I don't want to give them the idea they are special.

6. I can't sleep well with anybody next to me. Monkeypaw needs beauty rest.

7. I don't want to cuddle or be touched unless we are fucking.

8. I've never fuck upon just waking up, so no need to sleep over.

....................'The Dutch government has issued new guidance to single people seeking intimacy during the pandemic, advising them to find a "sex buddy"'. Not being in Thailand or Colombia at this time I am actively following the advice of the Dutch government. I am presently grooming an individual for the position. I believe that to a varying degree mongers generally have the same reasons as you for doing what they do. I have no problem with 3,4,5,7 and 8. However, with a sex buddy I will have to contend with 1,2 and 6.

Pimpampoumpipo

05-16-20, 15:47

. proving every rule can and should be broken on the right occasion.
Of course! Fully agree! Especially that it is a pretty girl :)

The Billboard is where there is the carousel which turns if I am not mistaken? (or is it Butterfly?). I love when there are lots of girls on it, and there are so many that it bends. I take a seat just in front and watch them go round in circles (with my tongue hanging out on the floor). Beautiful girls there.

MonkeyPaw

05-16-20, 15:53

I had the privilege of meeting MonkeyPaw and Mr E in flesh and blood. It's nice to put faces on names one has rubbed shoulders with in forums for months.

Short times were had with 2 girls MonkeyPaw connected me with. At 1500 Baht number one belonged to the class of girls who wouldn't go for less than 3000 in gogos. Number two cost me 1000 + 200 transport money to and from Jomtien, less glamorous than number one but also very good value for time and money. Planning to repeat with both.

TreeTown is now the epicentre of Pattaya's residual nightlife.

I walked down Soi 6 in mid-afternoon. There was some sense life was ever so slightly trying to reassert itself.These 3 girls from ThaiFriendly have Monkeypaw's approval for best bang for buck and what you see is what you get. DFK, BBBJ, CIM, BBBJ and more but YMMV like always. I think XXL can agree they are legit providers and services are good, as I passed all 3 along to him via LINE but with their approval. The rest can add them to your "to do" list or contact them via TF. Remember sharing is caring.

Pimpampoumpipo

05-16-20, 16:04

Gargano19

05-16-20, 16:46

I prefer ST over LT for 3 reasons:

I. It is normally difficult for me to fall asleep with a girl in my bed unless I am used to sleeping with a girl in my bed. For example, when I take a favorite girl on a side trip beach holiday for 4 or 5 days, I fully realize that I am going to be sleeping with her and after one or two nights of tossing and turning, I get used to sleeping with her and by the 3rd & 4th nights it has become 2nd nature and not a problem. But then after I travel back to the big hunting preserve (MNL, CGK, BKK) and I fall back into my usual routine of doing mainly ST's, sleeping with a girl becomes problematic once more. Go figure.

2. Although I enjoy waking up in the middle of the night with a hard on and shaggin a girl sleeping next to me, who doesn't? I prefer doing 2 girls ST during the course of an evening over doing 1 girl twice or even 3 times even though 2 girls costs more money. Go figure.

3. I Just prefer sleeping alone & waking alone. I am kind of a private person and I need my alone time in order to recharge fully. Ha Ha. But as noted in #1, I am adaptable when the situation warrants.Your third point is very relatable to me. I prefer ST over LT and only sleep whole night if I've good vibe with WG. For instance, just earlier this week, I was with my one of my covid regular. We finished sex around 8:30 and after cleaning up she just sat on the sofa without clothes, legs up on table (which I hate) and chatting on her phone. Not I love seeing nude girls sitting on my sofa, but it was 8:30 and I wanted her to get out before curfew. And getting taxis after 9 is really hard. So I straight up asked her if she can go. She seemed disapoointed, maybe she wanted to stay for night. I've seen this girl 4 times in last 2 months and I still don't feel like sleeping with her. I don't know, I can't put a finger on something why's that. Tho there have been girls where I changes ST to LT on our first meet. There was this girl I BF from some gogo for ST and after sex I asked her if she can just stay the whole night.

HorseTrader

05-16-20, 17:45

Tho there have been girls where I changes ST to LT on our first meet. There was this girl I BF from some gogo for ST and after sex I asked her if she can just stay the whole night.I do many ST bar fines and often the girl wants to spend the night, probably because I stay in a nice hotel while her room is a real shit hole. I usually send them away. But in early February a Butterflies girl refused to stay the night because I paid a bar fine only for short time. I offered to give extra money, but she said we needed to bring the money to the bar before she could stay overnight. I let her leave. This was late at night, perhaps 2:00 AM. I didn't even know there were different bar fines for late night short and long time. Is that true?

That was a 3000 baht short time. Over the next month we did 2 more short time sessions for much lower prices, I doubt she was unhappy with me that first night.

Danny Duck

05-16-20, 17:50

Maybe that is why dudes are saying my prices are not real. They are used to taking the club her for 3000 while I am taking the normal her for 1000. (Even though I still pick up chicks from the discos at.Not one person is saying you don't get 700 baht.

Several are questioning the girl quality. Meaning their look. They can have great personality but that not what people pay for.

I'm starting to think you may be even overpaying. If 700 is your price pre 19, logically they should be even lower during this crisis. As to backing up your case meeting Monke, and XXL did not help your case.

Banana Boi

05-16-20, 18:00

I didn't even know there were different bar fines for late night short and long time. Is that true?Yes and no. Some bars make the girls return to the bar within a certain time frame if the customers only paid for ST. Makes sense for the bar because the bar can potentially get a second barfine before the night is over.

Several are questioning the girl quality. Meaning their look. They can have great personality but that not what people pay for.

Luckily we all have different taste in girls. Syzygies cringes at all my girls because my girls have nose jobs and will look Asian mix or a kpop star and have light colored skin. Syzy prefers the natural look with the flat wide noses and skin color is not a factor. MP prefers the model types while I prefer cutesy girls. I see lots of guys barfine the ugliest gogo girls and just shake my head but I'm guessing that guy finds the girl attractive. Some guys like bodies. Some prefer faces. For me if a girl has the best body in the world I won't look twice at her if she doesn't have a cute face. Some guys overlook a lot or don't care what a girl looks like if the girl provides exceptional service. You don't choose a girl on personality but personality means a lot to me when I choose a girl.

It's all good. Way too much negativity on this board lately. It's our money we can spend it the way we like.

MrClen

05-16-20, 18:36

Yes and no. Some bars make the girls return to the bar within a certain time frame if the customers only paid for ST. Makes sense for the bar because the bar can potentially get a second barfine before the night is over.

Luckily we all have different taste in girls. Syzygies cringes at all my girls because my girls have nose jobs and will look Asian mix or a kpop star and have light colored skin. Syzy prefers the natural look with the flat wide noses and skin color is not a factor. MP prefers the model types while I prefer cutesy girls. I see lots of guys barfine the ugliest gogo girls and just shake my head but I'm guessing that guy finds the girl attractive. Some guys like bodies. Some prefer faces. For me if a girl has the best body in the world I won't look twice at her if she doesn't have a cute face. Some guys overlook a lot or don't care what a girl looks like if the girl provides exceptional service. You don't choose a girl on personality but personality means a lot to me when I choose a girl.

It's all good. Way too much negativity on this board lately. It's our money we can spend it the way we like.Yes it is our money and if we want to pay a little more for great sex, why not! I have never bargained with a girl for her time. If I feel they are getting greedy I just say NO and don't go any further. I only go to China and there have a couple regulars. I only go to KTV's with take away girls and very rarely ask for ST. I am an older guy and do not like to feel rushed, but if after sex, and I don't feel like keeping her, I will pay them a bit above ST rate and send them on their way. However, when the GFE is great and I want keep them for later or morning I never have any problem telling them to stay.

MrClen

05-16-20, 18:45

Normally I totally agree with your low opinion of tats and go out of my way to avoid barfining such girls. But I have learned from punting a long time that every rule needs to be broken once in a while.

Case in point: I was minding my own business in Billboard one evening last year when I spotted a heavily tattooed girl standing on the rim of the hot tub topless wearing only her string bikini bottom. Normally I would not have given this chick a 2nd glance, but there was something special about the way she was handling herself and attracting the attention of a couple Korean guys sitting right in front of her. She had those guys eating out of the palm of her hand and by the way she handled herself with such confidence and ease, I knew that she was the reigning Princess of the Billboard Hot Tub. Those Korean guys apparently knew it too because they were continually stuffing baht into her bikini bottom.

So, I watched her for a while as I continued to look around the carousel for a girl more to my taste. But the funny thing was that like a magnate I kept glancing back over at that hot tub girl. The way she handled herself was really unique and kind of impressive. Thus I decided I had to try her because I knew that if I passed on the opportunity I would regret it. So, I gave her a smile and a nod, she smiled back and after her set she came over to my table. I bought her a drink, we chatted, she seemed like a nice girl, if you know what I mean, and I went for it. 555. She went to go get changed and when she came out she still looked totally outrageous because her street clothes could not fully cover all her tats. 555. She was quite a sight. My little hot tub princess. BTW, I was staying at the Intercontinental at the time and I remember feeling proud walking this little tart past the beautiful Thai door girls in their formal dress, who were saying sawadika to us as they gave us a genteel and proper Wai as well as walking hand in hand with my little hot tub princess through the well-lit, super glitzy lobby. We must have been quite a sight. I loved it! Anyway, despite all her outrageous tats C turned out to be a very nice girl with a charming personality and she showed me a pretty good time.

About a week later I hooked up my pal Syzygies and we went barhopping in Nana. After stopping by the 1st couple of bars he suggested we go to Billboard. I said that is fine. I will introduce you to my little tattoo princess. You won't believe I shagged this girl. So, we went to Billboard and sure enough I spotted little Miss Tattoo doing her thing being the princess of the hot tub and getting all the attention from the guys sitting in front of her. She saw me and gave me a big smile. I indicated that she should come over to my table after her set and she nodded agreement. Then I pointed her out to Syzygies knowing full well what he would think of her. 555. I knew he thought I had temporarily lost my mind, but he was too polite to say anything. Ha Ha. I just said, "watch her do her thing and tell me she is not unique and in her realm. ".

So eventually, my little tattoo princess comes over super happy to see me, sits on my lap and starts purring. I order a drink for her and we get friendly while I continue conversing with my friend who as we all know speaks fluent Thai. After our 2nd round I take little Miss Sunshine aside and give her the bad news: no barfine tonight, but I slip her 200 baht to make things ok and kiss her goodbye. My friend and I leave and hit a few more bars before finally settling in at Rainbow 2 where I meet the lovely Miss D. who a later becomes one of my favorite NEW repeat girls of 2019. I am still looking forward to seeing Miss D. when / if I ever return to LOS. So, all told it was a very good night for me.

The end of my romance with the Princess of the Billboard Hot tub came a few nights later when, true to my word, I went back to see her and barfine her one more time. The sex was just as good as the first time and afterwards I took her out for dinner, but I knew by the end of the evening that her novelty had worn off and I was not going to barfine her again. She just had too many tattoos and as such was just not my type, but holly cow, she really sports an outrageous look and has an amazing presence in her hot tub realm. The long story short is I was right taking her those two times. She was a one of kind girl with an amazing personality and stage presence, a pretty good body, and an unbelievable set of tats. Good job Natty, proving every rule can and should be broken on the right occasion.

Normally I don't post pics of my girls, but due to the unique attributes of this girl, here are a couple of her (note that between the 1st night and the 2nd night I changed hotels and she changed her hair color from blond to brunette - I prefer her as a blond) :A single small private TAT I'll accept but beyond that, no way. A beautiful woman's body is a joy to behold and have, why screw it up with a bunch garish crap!

Gilolo

05-16-20, 19:12

Hi everybody,

I'm used to go Pattaya very often, and I noticed now that it's very easy to fuck the girls bareback! I love to fuck sexy girls 18/25 from gogos or from famous bars in Soi 6. I've noticed that 80% of the girls fuck with me without condom and let me come inside their pussy.

And the girls who ask me to put condoms, each time if I give a tip, then they let me fuck them how I want. Is it your case too?

Do you still use condoms or you fuck them bareback?

What is funny now is girls all want to wear a mask because of Covid 19 but never care to use condom. LOL.

Gargano19

05-16-20, 19:21

I do many ST bar fines and often the girl wants to spend the night, probably because I stay in a nice hotel while her room is a real shit hole. I usually send them away. But in early February a Butterflies girl refused to stay the night because I paid a bar fine only for short time. I offered to give extra money, but she said we needed to bring the money to the bar before she could stay overnight. I let her leave. This was late at night, perhaps 2:00 AM. I didn't even know there were different bar fines for late night short and long time. Is that true?
Exactly what BB said. Depends on Bar, but BF is same for LT and ST, so technically girl don't need to go back after ST. But some bars enforce her to come back for obvious reasons. In my case, girl was from Fahrenheit.

Gargano19

05-16-20, 19:28

Yes it is our money and if we want to pay a little more for great sex, why not! I have never bargained with a girl for her time. If I feel they are getting greedy I just say NO and don't go any furtherPretty much what I do. I don't mind paying 2500-3 k to a girl even if I know she can be negotiated down to 1500, as long as I think she's worth that amount. But there's nothing wrong or right here, paying market price or negotiating down to pulp, both are fine as long as monger and girl is happy. But I don't see why some here are desperate to prove they're "best monger ever" just because they pay less or more than usual price. Seems just funny.

Kamsutra69

05-16-20, 20:04

Yep. Always used condom no matter where. And thanks for reminding why.

Happy mongering!

Hi everybody,

I'm used to go Pattaya very often, and I noticed now that it's very easy to fuck the girls bareback! I love to fuck sexy girls 18/25 from gogos or from famous bars in Soi 6. I've noticed that 80% of the girls fuck with me without condom and let me come inside their pussy.

And the girls who ask me to put condoms, each time if I give a tip, then they let me fuck them how I want. Is it your case too?

Do you still use condoms or you fuck them bareback?

What is funny now is girls all want to wear a mask because of Covid 19 but never care to use condom. LOL.

Cool

05-16-20, 20:08

Cool

05-16-20, 20:13

I prefer pretty girls with minimal tats. Not anorexic.

Danny Duck

05-16-20, 23:42

So I referenced Saul Saul earlier. A guy commenting on a Thai bargirl blog. He identified himself as a Pattay Bar Manager for 5 years. He claimed the average girl of the bar has 500 customers a year. Hehehe.

Turns out he is a Bellboy in a London Hotel comes to Thailand over the last 10 years every now and then.

What say you?

EihTooms

05-17-20, 02:03

Not one person is saying you don't get 700 baht.

Several are questioning the girl quality. Meaning their look. They can have great personality but that not what people pay for.

I'm starting to think you may be even overpaying. If 700 is your price pre 19, logically they should be even lower during this crisis. As to backing up your case meeting Monke, and XXL did not help your case.Hey, if anyone knows the magic words to say or demeanor to project that will immediately and routinely turn the kind of Thai P4P girl XXL was introduced to by MP (Scratch that; The exact same girl) in Pattaya, Bangkok, anywhere and everywhere, who presumably regularly and often gets 3,000 baht for a one pop ST into a stellar GFE 1,000 baht 2 pop LT without a word of conversation about condoms or objection to enthusiastically going bareback to a CIP finish virtually every time, I am more than interested and happy to hear about it and learn. Why not.

Talking about during normal times, of course. During these Covid-19 hardship days, all usual bets are off.

Unfortunately, I don't think I have ever read here or elsewhere about any such magic words or demeanor. From anyone.

Now, if the secret to making that happen practically every time is something I cannot control and change like my race, ethnicity or age, I still don't mind hearing about it for entertainment purposes or just to pass the time. But there really isn't much I can learn from it except to choose my parents a bit more strategically and delay my year of birth by a few more decades next time around.

LittleBigMan

05-17-20, 02:25

Not sure about Bangkok, but Pattaya many places have had this pricing for some time for ST / LT. There are clubs that will charge you different prices here is an example from one popular GoGo in Pattaya that started around 5 years ago prior to their BF was the same across the board if they got BF early it was their choice to return or not.

Girls have regulars or would get their girlfriend's customer to pay their BF so they can take the evening off. One might not think this happens often but it does I don't know in my hay day how many times I was asked given money to pay their BF. There was at times situation customers would BF a number of girls some legit some got into the group if they needed the night off and slip money to the customer.

I saw the development of the mamasan getting involved in the BF paying upfront so they can track the girl movement for the evening. Regular customers never got ask but for new ones, it became common practice. Sadly there are enough girls who will find a hole in the system and take advantage of it change the rules to protect their business these changes later like most things spread to other clubs.

Of course, like most stuff, some aren't going to like it I remember one case a popular girl couldn't understand why she had to return she ended quitting then regretting it later.

Found out the grass wasn't greener at other clubs like Sensation being on an agency contract. At this same club, their policy changed depending on the time you must return back to the club 2-3 hours and if you don't get BF again by 1 am you had the choice to go home anytime thereafter. Some girls benefited by accident doing LT for 4-5000 baht then realized if they get early ST for 2500/3000 return and get another one thereafter the math was to their benefit they could be home earlier sleeping in their own room and eating somtom.

XXL

05-17-20, 04:51

.... a stellar GFE 1,000 baht 2 pop LT without a word of conversation about condoms or objection to enthusiastically going bareback to a CIP finish virtually every time ...This BBFS thing is a confusing variable. I have only realised of late that when mongers say Thailand is better value for money than say German FKKs or Brazil, what they mean (but don't say) is in TH they get bareback which they don't in Germany or Brazil. Barebacking is an underlying current in all Thailand threads. I am not (no longer) into BB. On the contrary, being somehow into DATY, for obvious reasons I'd rather have a girl who has a habit on insisting on condoms.

Banana Boi

05-17-20, 05:41

what they mean (but don't say) is in TH they get bareback which they don't in Germany or Brazil. Barebacking is an underlying current in all Thailand threads.BBFS is easy to find in Germany, many AO clubs, smaller FKK clubs, laufhaus, gangbang clubs, all you can fuck clubs, etc. For the most part the girls are not the best Germany has to offer but there was a Hungarian girl at Dietzenbach who imo was one of the top lookers in Germany.

For a guy wanting BBFS in SE Asia, it is more easily found in Jakarta and Phnom Penh compared to Thailand. Thailand may have more girls because of pure volume of girls but percentage wise lags far behind Jakarta and PP. I'm sure it's easy to find BBFS in PI as well.

Girls have regulars or would get their girlfriend's customer to pay their BF so they can take the evening off. One might not think this happens often but it does I don't know in my hay day how many times I was asked given money to pay their BF. There was at times situation customers would BF a number of girls some legit some got into the group if they needed the night off and slip money to the customer.

On slow nights in the club, I have had gogo girls slip me 1500 baht or whatever the barfine was and say give this to mamasan and tell her you are barfining me. Of course I'm an opportunist so I ask what's in it for me. Most will say we'll go grab some food or go have some fun. I've also received messages from girls sitting in the bar saying she doesn't want to work. She asks if I can pay the barfine and she will come over or I can go to her place. I don't consider this second group as Freebie girls since technically I still have to pay the 1500 barfine.

Mr Enternational

05-17-20, 05:46

Hey, if anyone knows the magic words to say or demeanor to project that will immediately and routinely turn the kind of Thai P4P girl XXL was introduced to by MP (Scratch that; The exact same girl) in Pattaya, Bangkok, anywhere and everywhere, who presumably regularly and often gets 3,000 baht for a one pop ST into a stellar GFE 1,000 baht 2 pop LT without a word of conversation about condoms or objection to enthusiastically going bareback to a CIP finish virtually every time, I am more than interested and happy to hear about it and learn. Why not.Do you also walk into a buffet restaurant and ask where is the food? Because more times than a little I have posted a copy of conversations along with my reports. There is no way to help the person who is pretending to be blind see anything.

Girls have regulars or would get their girlfriend's customer to pay their BF so they can take the evening off. One might not think this happens often but it does I don't know in my hay day how many times I was asked given money to pay their BF. There was at times situation customers would BF a number of girls some legit some got into the group if they needed the night off and slip money to the customer.And once the barfine was paid these same chicks would end up in the discos where they would go for 1000 LT and be stellar GFEs. But some people refuse to understand how this could happen.

Goferring

05-17-20, 05:50

Goferring

05-17-20, 05:53

Goatscrot

05-17-20, 09:25

I also prefer less or no makeup. You're being generous, I think 1 in 20 Thai working girls knows how to do subtle makeup right, and the ultra-slutty overly made up look does not do favors to typical Thai features at all. Those monster eyebrows almost every girl is wearing these days are a special turn-off.

Tattoos don't help either, and it's hard to find a working girl these days who doesn't have them. It's possible for some tattoos to look good on a girl in her twenties, but they almost never do on any woman over 30. The tats almost all Pattaya working girls are sporting these days screams dirty gutter skank.

Thai women are at their best when they're emphasizing their natural sweetness, not aggressive skanky type of sexuality (that might suit some other groups better, like Latinas or Farang). Back in the day, it was easy to find sweet girls, but these days there's almost no working girl in Pattaya I'd want to spend time with beyond one or two shots, so for me, a LT is a thing of the past.I like them made up. I also have no problem with tats. I like a working girl who looks and acts like a working girl. As a friend says, "A dirty mind is a joy forever. ".

LittleBigMan

05-17-20, 09:59

Do you also walk into a buffet restaurant and ask where is the food? Because more times than a little I have posted a copy of conversations along with my reports. There is no way to help the person who is pretending to be blind see anything.

And once the barfine was paid these same chicks would end up in the discos where they would go for 1000 LT and be stellar GFEs. But some people refuse to understand how this could happen.Yes, this happens for sure! But the ones I've done it for or spoken to usually for other reasons. Tired, hangover, sick, Boyfriend or Tom problems, got some time off the next few days BF ahead paid but now want to get an early start on the road need to have BF paid my customer if they do it themselves the rate is higher. Yes, I've been told a few times they want to join their friends at I-Bar but most of the time it was for more personal reasons.

I've even done personal verbal questionnaires with girls to get a sense as to what they like in regards to customers (whites or Asians) I-Bar or Isan local clubs and majority seem to like if given a choice party at local groups. I was once told when I go to I-Bar I dance for them, when I go Isan I dance for myself from my experience I've been to both when they get going at local clubs it is as if it is Songkran that night.

I was down your neck of the woods while cruising I saw a clear sign it will not open again, NINGA GoGo, had a for rent sign or sale on the door.

Mogwai

05-17-20, 10:16

Here in Whiteman's Land our malls etc are just reopening also while everyone is unemployed, broke etc. Guess what? They are all packed with people buying shit they don't want or need.
Am I the only one here who's disturbed by the fact that "Whiteman's Land" seems to become a common phrase in this forum? I think it's racist.

Mr Enternational

05-17-20, 10:41

Am I the only one here who's disturbed by the fact that "Whiteman's Land" seems to become a common phrase in this forum? I think it's racist.You know what he means: Stolen-from-Aborigines Land. Thailand: Land with a bunch of Thai people. Whitemansland: Land with a bunch of White people.

Goferring

05-17-20, 12:06

Am I the only one here who's disturbed by the fact that "Whiteman's Land" seems to become a common phrase in this forum? I think it's racist.You are welcome to your own beliefs and concerns but lets not go getting all PC here. It's about as racist or factual as the term LBFM.

Enjoy. G.

Banana Boi

05-17-20, 12:47

I was down your neck of the woods while cruising I saw a clear sign it will not open again, NINGA GoGo, had a for rent sign or sale on the door.Wow what a shame. Ninja was by far the best gogo bar in LK Metro in 2016 and 2017 when I went around every 2nd day, if not more. I've met many gems there. Unfortunately, imo one of the best ones was killed in a motorbike accident. RIP.

LittleBigMan

05-17-20, 13:23

Am I the only one here who's disturbed by the fact that "Whiteman's Land" seems to become a common phrase in this forum? I think it's racist.I don't think it is racist, I think it is based on how it is put? I've used it a number of times most likely more than anyone here " white " Now if I said it like white mother fucker that would be another thing? It is not more racist than the word " Jap " being used and it has been used thousands of times through the years since this board opened.

LittleBigMan

05-17-20, 13:46

Wow what a shame. Ninja was by far the best gogo bar in LK Metro in 2016 and 2017 when I went around every 2nd day, if not more. I've met many gems there. Unfortunately, imo one of the best ones was killed in a motorbike accident. RIP.The other day I rode through W. S. I didn't see any signs like what I saw for Ninja but there was a new club next to the old Tony's disco for Panda Club, not the same as Panda GoGo the Grand opening was New Year Eve, the lower portion was all torn out.

Let me add, this being the first day of the second part of the opening so I decided to take the family to Big see, extra for dinner being able to sit and relax with A / see we get there now you got to use some type of BarCode (forgot what you call the stuff) prior to even having your temperature taken, you also need to sign your name and give your phone number. When we got inside found out the place MK, you could eat in now but since I was with 5 we weren't going to be able to eat on the same table nor were we allow to order a Hot pot to share.

So off we go to a regular Thai outdoor place on Sukhumvit, we were allowed to sit together share food but alcohol wasn't allowed on premises problem this time of year with Durian in town lots of flies. After dinner still early before heading home the wife wanted to take a spin around the Maphrachan Lake, now before the road lockdown not much was being enforced on the Darkside except massage, salons, bars, and clubs. When I got to the Lake I never seen so many vehicles years past you would never see even one Thai exercising the parking lots were jam-packed, food carts line up everywhere I had to check the calendar thinking it was Loy Kroytong or something talking about zero social distancing. Restaurants were packed serving liquor, music was playing it was if Thais knew the world was coming to an end or they just found a vaccine and decided to celebrate. You couldn't have a hot pot at MK in town but the local hot pots (jim June) were packed. The funny thing most surprising on the Pong side of the Lake is a soccer field right across from the police station they were having a full game of soccer going with spectators!

Now I don't know about all these stats but if tonight is any indication where it seems there isn't a rule or virus if an uptick in numbers if not, one got to wonder what the real fuss is about with the lockdown because tonight I saw no social distancing I saw people closer than if they had a girl giving them a lap dance. Cross your fingers either it is going to get bad or it is the wild west again?

Franciscass

05-17-20, 17:09

First you need the massage shops, bars and clubs to reopen. When and how this happens is anybody's guess but my gut tells me it's going to be slow, gradual, with seriously regulated limited opening and closing times. Maybe even with some cocked up social distancing guidelines inside although how that could work in a go go is beyond me. I chuckle imagining the girls mincing around the poles butt naked wearing only a mask and heels. Personally I love that eyes only look so could be a turn on.

We have 5 or 6 months before high season kicks in. By then there should be some semblance of back to business. Most likely the girls will drift back to where they used to work well before there are enough punters to go around. It is difficult in 2020 to see enough mongers visiting for all of them to make a living and it's more than possible some of the lower end girls will end up going back home. Making that more of a possibility is the return of girls who were working in Korea, Singapore, the Gulf and elsewhere. These by and large are smarter better looking girls who if they don't go back again to working abroad will rejoin the local scene further increasing competition.

On which business's reopen my guess is that some of the one off smaller operators will call it a day particularly if they were struggling before everything went belly up. The reality is P4P in Thailand has become much more organized with less and less room for independents. This was for example already happening on Soi 6. I believe the go go segment will be concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. Cash no matter its origin will be king. The good ole days when you could lease a shop house and have your Thai sweetheart open a bar while still possible in second tier locations is becoming a less viable financial proposition. Normally less competition means higher prices but with the imbalance between supply and demand prices at a minimum should remain as is.

Who knows all this could be pure nonsense and the country could be overrun with sex hungry hoards flush with cash saved during the lock down.

Cool

05-17-20, 17:15

Hey, if anyone knows the magic words to say or demeanor to project that will immediately and routinely turn the kind of Thai P4P girl XXL was introduced to by MP (Scratch that; The exact same girl) in Pattaya, Bangkok, anywhere and everywhere, who presumably regularly and often gets 3,000 baht for a one pop ST into a stellar GFE 1,000 baht 2 pop LT without a word of conversation about condoms or objection to enthusiastically going bareback to a CIP finish virtually every time, I am more than interested and happy to hear about it and learn. Why not.

Talking about during normal times, of course. During these Covid-19 hardship days, all usual bets are off.

Unfortunately, I don't think I have ever read here or elsewhere about any such magic words or demeanor. From anyone.

Now, if the secret to making that happen practically every time is something I cannot control and change like my race, ethnicity or age, I still don't mind hearing about it for entertainment purposes or just to pass the time. But there really isn't much I can learn from it except to choose my parents a bit more strategically and delay my year of birth by a few more decades next time around.The downside to delaying your birth a few decades is inflation, absorbent college costs, and Patts going downhill. I wish I could temporarily peruse 1999 Patts for 1 month for nostalgic reasons. Hell even 5 years ago was better. Last fall had more options on Soi 6 than this year. I got a deep pocket friend that is not picky, knows what he wants, and been in the game and it took him 1 HR. To find a girl. In past years it took him less than 15 minutes. The last 2 times it took me 2 hrs to find a shag partner on 6.

Danny Duck

05-17-20, 17:41

I'm not saying the Virus is Fake. So please.

In USA. Everything is done to damage Trump. Even the dumber left is questioning things as they go Broke.

Isolate the vulnerable, wash your hands, and social distance.

For some reason I never did like having another pervert sit next to me in an agogo.

If I'm allowed back in Thailand if others are wearing mask I'll wear one. Before touching a girls nipples, I'll sanitize with Clorox or something.

Turgid

05-17-20, 18:35

A lot of the 700 range girls have bad hygiene too. Some guys go for quantity which allows the uglies to get hired. Some guys are indifferent on appearance because things are so bleak in their homelands.I'm thinking its a matter of how pecunious a bloke is. If his wallet is deficient he may have to settle for quantity with 700 B girls or fewer higher priced babes. Men of means can get both quality and quantity.

EihTooms

05-17-20, 19:00

Do you also walk into a buffet restaurant and ask where is the food? Because more times than a little I have posted a copy of conversations along with my reports. There is no way to help the person who is pretending to be blind see anything.

And once the barfine was paid these same chicks would end up in the discos where they would go for 1000 LT and be stellar GFEs. But some people refuse to understand how this could happen.So a go-go girl of a level of attractivrness and popularity such that she regularly and often gets paid 3,000 baht for ST uses her own 1,000-1,500 baht to pay her own barfine so she can go to a disco to meet you or some other customer for a 1,000 baht stellar GFE LT? You realize she would either come out of it with zero money for the night or at a loss of 500 baht, if not more, right?

And that's not counting the two or three 3,000 baht STs she could have had but didn't because she was spending all night with you for free or, worse, for the net loss of 500 baht out of her own pocket.

Well, yes, put on the list of people who refuse to understand how that can happen except by some very strange anecdotal accident.

EihTooms

05-17-20, 19:38

Yes, this happens for sure! But the ones I've done it for or spoken to usually for other reasons. Tired, hangover, sick, Boyfriend or Tom problems, got some time off the next few days BF ahead paid but now want to get an early start on the road need to have BF paid my customer if they do it themselves the rate is higher. Yes, I've been told a few times they want to join their friends at I-Bar but most of the time it was for more personal reasons.
...And, just to clarify, were these girls obviously of the level of attractiveness and popularity that, had they stayed in the go-go bar instead of leaving early, they would easily have scored a couple of 3,000 baht STs? And, if I may ask for a bit more clarification; how many of that caliber of girls handed you the 1,000-1,500 baht to pay their barfine and said they wanted to leave early, not for any of the reasons you cited, but so they could score a 1,000 baht LT customer at a nearby disco or at the grocery store and give the guy a stellar GFE all night?

I mean, who knows? Maybe I have really missed the boat on this fascinating total lack of understanding of basic P4P math so many top level Pattaya go-go girls apparently suffer from.

Danny Duck

05-17-20, 19:56

Mr Enternational

05-17-20, 20:00

And, just to clarify, were these girls obviously of the level of attractiveness and popularity that, had they stayed in the go-go bar instead of leaving early, they would easily have scored a couple of 3,000 baht STs?That is your problem right there. You only think in terms of 3000 baht ST. These are fucking people that we are talking about that like to do regular people things too, not machines. Everything with them is not always and only 3000 baht ST. Some chicks pay their own bar fine and go out and party and buy all kinds of bottles of liquor with their friends and don't want to go with ANY guy that night. But, but, it is a net loss! Yes it is a net loss but everything is not always money with everyone as it is with you. You should appoint yourself to go in the discos and demand they take their asses back to the gogos until they get all the 3000 baht STs until you say stop or send them to bed with no dinner.

CzarNicholas

05-17-20, 20:04

I'm thinking its a matter of how pecunious a bloke is. If his wallet is deficient he may have to settle for quantity with 700 B girls or fewer higher priced babes. Men of means can get both quality and quantity.My trip to asia last year had over approx 180 sessions, I didn't overpay once, are you suggesting the more money I have in my pocket the more I should pay?(typically $5000 usd until I reload it).

I think I detect you inferring guys that overpay do so, only because they can LOL not because some other reason, like someone just posted LOL (PLM would say I underpay, which is literally impossible).

PLM pathetic loser mongers, I know that term from socal, ******** lmao.

I can easily goto Tijuana with $5000 usd in my pocket, you will never see me over pay.

EihTooms

05-17-20, 20:08

That is your problem right there. You only think in terms of 3000 baht ST. These are fucking people that we are talking about that like to do regular people things too, not machines. Everything with them is not always and only 3000 baht ST. Some chicks pay their own bar fine and go out and party and buy all kinds of bottles of liquor with their friends and don't want to go with ANY guy that night. But, but, it is a net loss! Yes it is a net loss but everything is not always money with everyone as it is with you. You should appoint yourself to go in the discos and demand they take their asses back to the gogos until they get all the 3000 baht STs until you say stop or send them to bed with no dinner.I understand them not wanting to go with ANY guy on a given night. I understand them wanting to get out of town early for a trip to their province. I understand all the things LittleBigMan listed as reasons go-go girls have asked him to take their money to pay their barfine for them. I don't understand them walking away from two or more 3,000 baht ST customers so they can do the same thing with one customer all night for only 1,000 baht. And paying 1,000-1,500 baht for the privilege.

I'm sorry, but math that doesn't add up that badly must at least be noted.

Cool

05-17-20, 20:42

I understand them not wanting to go with ANY guy on a given night. I understand them wanting to get out of town early for a trip to their province. I understand all the things LittleBigMan listed as reasons go-go girls have asked him to take their money to pay their barfine for them. I don't understand them walking away from two or more 3,000 baht ST customers so they can do the same thing with one customer all night for only 1,000 baht. And paying 1,000-1,500 baht for the privilege.

I'm sorry, but math that doesn't add up that badly must at least be noted.The girls are human. Plus girls like some customers more than others. YMMV. Some guys come for a week and never return. When there is a retiree who can hire her 2 nights a week at a lower rate. So yes. The 3 k sounds good until Big Belly Bob returns to England. That's when retiree Rob gets all the love because he can give repeat business at 1 k after her shift. It works out. A shag at his comfortable place and she gets to sleep and may get breakfast. Plus she got a sale off the clock that she does not have to share with the bar. Even when his money is low he and his buddies can stop in the bar and buy drinks. Some girls are fiercely close to their barmates and owners. Most of the girls are younger than me and like to party more than me. Think about all the times guys had a BS flaky working girl that wanted to lock up his schedule where he can't hang with the fellas. I've seen girls spend all of their earnings outside of what they send home on walking st. I've seen girls ordering 200 baht shots to the point their doctors ask them to stop drinking. You cannot buy love and loyalty. Plus some people are loyal but lie alot.

Cool

05-17-20, 20:46

Plus some chicks don't like their bar jobs. They may be the niece of the owner paying off a debt. Or the bar may be exploiting them taking a big cut and fining them.

Crocodilexp

05-17-20, 21:14

I like them made up. I also have no problem with tats. I like a working girl who looks and acts like a working girl. As a friend says, "A dirty mind is a joy forever. ".

No arguing with personal taste. However, very few Thai hookers have the sexual skills and appetite corresponding to the "over-the-top naughty" presentation with tons of cheap tats and cheaper makeup with monster eyebrows. Oddly, one of the dirtiest working girls I know, the well-known Ying from Tulip, wouldn't look (or feel) out of place in a top-end restaurant. Unfortunately, she's getting old.

To each their own, but I often (albeit not always) like the illusion of doing a working girl I could actually like in real life and wouldn't feel ashamed being seen with in public. Back in the day, I had no trouble finding the sweet type, but now those are exceedingly rare. Skanky looking working girls were always around, the problem is that all others are gone.

Danny Duck

05-17-20, 22:13

Saw a photo of a reopened Mall. Looks like Thais could care less about Social Distancing.

I got to believe making 3,000 will make a girl forget about distancing socially real fast.

Jimmy Boy 99

05-17-20, 22:42

That is your problem right there. You only think in terms of 3000 baht ST. These are fucking people that we are talking about that like to do regular people things too, not machines. Everything with them is not always and only 3000 baht ST. Some chicks pay their own bar fine and go out and party and buy all kinds of bottles of liquor with their friends and don't want to go with ANY guy that night. But, but, it is a net loss! Yes it is a net loss but everything is not always money with everyone as it is with you. You should appoint yourself to go in the discos and demand they take their asses back to the gogos until they get all the 3000 baht STs until you say stop or send them to bed with no dinner.Sometimes a girl just needs to get her pussy pounded by a big, thick, strong, exotic dick all night long rather than poked for 2 minutes with the marshmallow dick of an old, fat, big-bellied white guy. 555.

Goferring

05-18-20, 01:11

I've never seen a close correlation between logic and a bargirls mind. Many of the previous posts make sense but I'd like to add another.

A 500 baht girl struggling to feed herself and her kid is going to take all the work she can get. A girl cashed up from a big tip or lucrative week may see very little need to turn up to a dead boring job and bang pig ugly guys for extra money that she no longer needs. At this time a night out with girls friends or a guy she knows treats her decently may very well be the preferred option.

Enjoy. G.

Goatscrot

05-18-20, 01:37

No arguing with personal taste. However, very few Thai hookers have the sexual skills and appetite corresponding to the "over-the-top naughty" presentation with tons of cheap tats and cheaper makeup with monster eyebrows. Oddly, one of the dirtiest working girls I know, the well-known Ying from Tulip, wouldn't look (or feel) out of place in a top-end restaurant. Unfortunately, she's getting old.

To each their own, but I often (albeit not always) like the illusion of doing a working girl I could actually like in real life and wouldn't feel ashamed being seen with in public. Back in the day, I had no trouble finding the sweet type, but now those are exceedingly rare. Skanky looking working girls were always around, the problem is that all others are gone.I agree that most Thai women lack the imagination and to fit into the category I am really talking about. We often forget how conservative and rigid this society really is when it comes to sexuality. Slutty and skanky are not the same thing. One of my fav gals back home was over the top educated, sophisticated, well read, could converse on any subject, but had a filthy mind, loved kink, etc etc.

Ah, Ying, would have loved to have met her when she was in her early 20's before she had the kid.

Danny Duck

05-18-20, 02:07

The girls are human. Plus girls like some customers more than others. YMMV. Some guys come for a week and never return. When there is a retiree who can hire her 2 nights a week at a lower rate. So yes. The 3 k sounds good until Big Belly Bob returns to England. That's when retiree Rob gets all the love because he can give repeat business at 1 k after her shift. It works out. A shag at his comfortable place and she gets to sleep and may get breakfast. Plus she got a sale off the clock that she does not have to share with the bar. Even when his money is low he and his buddies can stop in the bar and buy drinks. Some girls are fiercely close to their barmates and owners. Most of the girls are younger than me and like to party more than me. Think about all the times guys had a BS flaky working girl that wanted to lock up his schedule where he can't hang with the fellas. I've seen girls spend all of their earnings outside of what they send home on walking st. I've seen girls ordering 200 baht shots to the point their doctors ask them to stop drinking. You cannot buy love and loyalty. Plus some people are loyal but lie alot.Big Bob Belly pays 3,000. Retiree Rob gets her for 1,000.

Shouldn't Noi from Nakon Who Knows Where go after another say Skinny Sam Switzerland for more 3,000 paydays?

4 sessions with Funky foreigners nets her 12,000 bahts. She would have to service Rob Retiree twelve freaking times.

LittleBigMan

05-18-20, 02:41

And, just to clarify, were these girls obviously of the level of attractiveness and popularity that, had they stayed in the go-go bar instead of leaving early, they would easily have scored a couple of 3,000 baht STs? And, if I may ask for a bit more clarification; how many of that caliber of girls handed you the 1,000-1,500 baht to pay their barfine and said they wanted to leave early, not for any of the reasons you cited, but so they could score a 1,000 baht LT customer at a nearby disco or at the grocery store and give the guy a stellar GFE all night?

I mean, who knows? Maybe I have really missed the boat on this fascinating total lack of understanding of basic P4P math so many top level Pattaya go-go girls apparently suffer from.E. T. , to be honest, that is the problem you are having now don't get me wrong you have the right like others to say what you want but my opinion posters say at times or believe " beauty is in the eye of the beholder " they truly understand but the next word out of their mouth they start to put numbers and price rating them doing this, in my opinion, is why looks and pricing have been going on longer than the oldest profession it is an endless debate. I have sat with friends and family what they like might not be what I like and that goes for price too. Just because you fancy a Benz doesn't mean I would too although I could afford one I rather drive a Truck.

Not sure if you get this just like you like or got to have BB, although I can too I but my choice is too not. It isn't about changing people mind by trying to beat them or finding a reason to justify it after years and years for me I just let people do as they please when it comes to P4 P it is their money and choice just enjoy until the end comes. People say one has 9 lives I figure I'm down more than half in fact I'm surprise I'm still alive, been cut stare down a few barrels and yet I'm still here so whatever time I have the last thing I'm going to worry about is whether she is a stunner at 10,9,8.

To answer your question from my experience a few were considered superstars of the place then, of course, there were average and below I didn't know everything about their life but got plenty of gossip from my regular I met all of them through buying drinks at the request of my regular the drink-buying was like a real education as to how many of them think in life. From my regular, I got invited to many locals parties for these girls and got an insight into their lives these events usually involved their Thai husband, Boyfriend which one was even lesbians may be due to my age and color I was like a father figure many of them ask me even for advice.

I never came out and ask them when they ask usually the reason was given to me or later my regular told me and it was personal not because they needed to go to I-Bar and get BF because they weren't at their GoGo. I think your remark as to a girl giving me 1000-15000 to BF her and then going somewhere else etc. For a 1000 LT is a bit silly even a P4 P could give you that answer it is zero from my experience do the math? Regardless of their status or looks, they were all for personal reasons I'm not trying to find justification by making something out of nothing. I think your confusion stem from and I don't think I said anything to such if I did my apologies but I never said a girl BF herself then go for less?

EihTooms

05-18-20, 04:31

...

I think your remark as to a girl giving me 1000-15000 to BF her and then going somewhere else etc. For a 1000 LT is a bit silly even a P4 P could give you that answer it is zero from my experience do the math? Regardless of their status or looks, they were all for personal reasons I'm not trying to find justification by making something out of nothing. I think your confusion stem from and I don't think I said anything to such if I did my apologies but I never said a girl BF herself then go for less?I think that would be silly and likely happens close to zero percent of the time, too, LittleBigMan. So I think we are both seeing this in the same way, from your experience with girls who wanted to pay their own barfine so they could leave early and from my experience. We are not both confused, are we? LOL.

The eye of the beholder factor certainly does matter. But it isn't that difficult to differentiate who could easily score 2 STs for 3,000 baht each in a given night from those who are lucky to get that 700-1,000 baht LT every now and then. And maybe another 800 baht worth of much appreciated alcohol. They are not going to be the "same girls."

Look, I have been having a huge number of Thai girls staying LT with me, giving stellar GFE virtually every time, for years now for free or damn close to it. I'm talking about handing them 200-300 baht for travel to and from my apartment after two days and nights together. And they start pestering me on Line to return before they even get back to their apartment. I just had two over this past weekend do that. One just turned 22, one is in her late 20s, both have beautiful, fit, trim, slim bodies and lovely faces, definitely not skanks or needy. No babies. If they did the club scene or escort scene, they could easily score 3,000 STs every day. But they are not in the P4P scene.

That is completely different. I could not tell punters on this board who are here for a week or two looking for P4P STs and LTs to just go to this or that disco and you'll get girls of that quality who really can and do get a couple of 3,000 baht STs almost any night, offer them 1,000 baht for LT, they'll say yes and you'll surely get BBFS+CIP in the deal with no conversation about it at all and that you're an uninformed fool if you don't get that almost every time without participating in and contributing to the above mentioned silliness.

Can such a thing happen every now and then? Of course. Anything can happen every now and then. But as a matter of an ongoing punter recommended game plan, I don't see scheduling in those 3,000 baht ST girls for 1,000 baht LT including no mention or conversation about it BBFS+CIP as a viable recommendation for how to spend your week or two here. However, if your eye beholds girls who generally are lucky to get 700 baht for sex every now and then (even though the first number that comes out of their mouths is "2,500") as the "same girls" who regularly and often get 3,000 baht for ST, then you are definitely in the right place and don't need any recommendations to come out a big winner here.

XXL

05-18-20, 06:00

Look, I have been having a huge number of Thai girls staying LT with me, giving stellar GFE virtually every time, for years now for free or damn close to it. I'm talking about handing them 200-300 baht for travel to and from my apartment after two days and nights together. And they start pestering me on Line to return before they even get back to their apartment. I just had two over this past weekend do that. One just turned 22, one is in her late 20s, both have beautiful, fit, trim, slim bodies and lovely faces, definitely not skanks or needy. No babies. If they did the club scene or escort scene, they could easily score 3,000 STs every day. But they are not in the P4P scene.

Pics please! Body pics only with hidden faces heartily accepted of course.

Here's one of my 1500 Baht regulars. Former Soi 6 who later graduated to one of the WS Gogo.

Thin-boned, pinched waist, wide-open ass cheeks, my specs.

LittleBigMan

05-18-20, 06:25

E. T.

I didn't want to quote your last post, yea I know there is a way to do part but I can't even do that after all these years. I think we are in agreement as to what you noted I also understand Mr. E, point of view. I've come to the conclusion people have different styles and personalities when I read your post, Mr. E and some others even in my hay day I wish I could consistently do it but I can't because I'm just not like the both of you. I've been told by people are you crazy why would you do something like that but yet I can't say no to someone for a lady drink for me at this time of my life it just isn't a priority today I take it or leave it there are times I pay less and get more then there are times I pay more and get nothing. Don't get me wrong I've been quoted prices that would make me choke I don't laugh at them I act like it doesn't matter it is just not a priority to be sarcastic or rude. I'm not looking for a 10 I go out to relax and have a good time whether I entertain with girls or watching others just don't get me mad.

I think those here reading the opinions will take sides regardless if they comment or not but they shouldn't try to copy anyone of you if they have a good or even great time whether it is paying less or more just do what works for you and if you get knockdown just get up again and learn from it don't be like Charlie Tuna and bite the first hook that is thrown into the water.

Cool

05-18-20, 06:43

I found one- a 700 baht beautiful Thai women. The Dreamy kind.

Go check out Pattaya One News.

Headline-Video: Naked woman attacks policeman after being "dumped by her boyfriend".

Funny thing is they show breasts and pubic hair region. Fully visible.I didn't look closely at pic but from the quick second I looked the lady was clearly obese. (Could be wrong) I wouldn't pay a baht for that chick. That was not a lost for her boyfriend. Sometimes dumping a below average chick is a win.

Franciscass

05-18-20, 07:41

MonkeyPaw

05-18-20, 09:26

EihTooms

05-18-20, 09:49

Pics please! Body pics only with hidden faces heartily accepted of course.

Here's one of my 1500 Baht regulars. Former Soi 6 who later graduated to one of the WS Gogo.

Thin-boned, pinched waist, wide-open ass cheeks, my specs.These were my 2 LT freebies this past weekend. Both in their early-mid 20s. I am not a camera or photo guy, rarely take pics and don't take porn style photos of the girls I fuck and get fully blown by. So the pics are relatively normal pics of normal Thai girls.

These girls, like practically all of my freebies, are not in the P4P scene. They are not showy sexpot type girls. They are not going to be loaded up with big tattoos and weird piercings. They don't smoke, they drink small amounts of alcohol and only on special social occasions. Same as I do. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Just not my spec.

They are sweet natured, conservative, girl-next-door types with regular jobs. But the sex with me needs to be True GFE/Real Sex or they don't generally get a second much less a third or more chance at bat. In this case, the front shot girl is a barista in a mall shop, the back shot girl is a Junior Miss age range photo model.

There are several other freebies I have seen regularly over the past year or so. And, of course, many others who are in the P4P scene to whom I typically pay about 2,000 baht + travel fare for the same kind of LTs these girls have with me.

Since they are not visible here, I would say the barista's face is a stronger attribute for her than her body. And the photo model's face is as cute, even featured, young and adorable as you would expect in a girl who earns her living that way.

Franciscass

05-18-20, 13:49

Danny Duck

05-18-20, 22:35

Do agogos allow Freelance work. A girl comes and goes as she wants. No celery, no contract.

Her compensation is drink commission and sex fee paid by Mr Wong.

Jimmy Boy 99

05-19-20, 00:17

A lot of one-upmanship going on these days.

I can get it cheaper than you.

Yeah but mine is better looking.

Mine is younger.

OK but my hoe stays all night.

Mine too but also does whatever I ask.

No biggie same with mine but she introduced me to her younger sister.

Mine introduced me to her mother who has a smoking body and gave the best BJ I've ever had, if you don't believe me here are the pics and our live chat telling me she wants to come right back over again for free.

I feel so left out.

I've tried the apps but nobody except lady boys and fuglies want to know. I cannot for the life of me figure out what the fuck I am doing wrong.It's hard to decide who's got more "game": Mr. E. , a late forties (if I remember correctly) guy who gets 3000 baht ST hookers to come over for 1000 baht LT or ET, a mid-sixties (if I remember correctly) guy who gets a 22-year old non-hooker model to come over LT to fuck bareback cip for free. It's close, but I think the award would have to go to ET, as it baffles me that such a girl would want to fuck such a guy for no money nor (presumably) the prospect of any money in the future unless he was amazingly attractive.

Goferring

05-19-20, 00:42

as it baffles me that such a girl would want to fuck such a guy for no money nor (presumably) the prospect of any money in the future unless he was amazingly attractive.In my last job we bid contracts based on "next best alternative" ie what's the highest price we could ask and still be below the next guy. That was regardless of the cost to us to supply.

Ask yourself, if they don't go with E, where are they going to go? Even in the no-C19 times he offers repeatability and an essentially on demand cash injection. Who knows he may even treat them half decently as well. Fly in, 2 week millionaires, stuck at home for the next 6 months can't do any of these.

Cheers. G.

Banana Boi

05-19-20, 01:11

I think the award would have to go to ETI certainly hope that at age 67 I'm able to get Freebie civilian girls in their 20's who look like models. I'm no where near 67 and have difficulties. I've noticed a huge drop off in getting super hot freebie civilian girls. It's certainly not as easy any more. Maybe the secret is to move to Bangkok?

Hopefully when guys say Freebie girls it's under the same context as what I consider a Freebie girl. You don't give a girl the false pretense that you have money or will give the girl money or the sense she will have a better life, you don't make false promises you will take her overseas or travel outside of Thailand, you do not buy them gifts or buy them things when you go shopping with them, you don't take her to restaurants that will cost the girl a day's salary to pay for her meal, you don't give her big tips if she is a bartender or works as a waitress, and if the girl is a bar girl you don't frequently visit her bar and buy her loads of drinks, etc.

A lot of one-upmanship going on these days.

I always feel like I'm the only one who has sh1tty service from time to time, even in a G club or Soi 6. I've lived in Pattaya long enough to know who is being truthful and who is total BS.

NapaSlapper

05-19-20, 01:16

A lot of one-upmanship going on these days.

I can get it cheaper than you.

Yeah but mine is better looking.

Mine is younger.

OK but my hoe stays all night.

Mine too but also does whatever I ask.

No biggie same with mine but she introduced me to her younger sister.

Mine introduced me to her mother who has a smoking body and gave the best BJ I've ever had, if you don't believe me here are the pics and our live chat telling me she wants to come right back over again for free.

I feel so left out.

I've tried the apps but nobody except lady boys and fuglies want to know. I cannot for the life of me figure out what the fuck I am doing wrong.You are not doing anything wrong, just seeing reality.

What is actually left in Pattaya? A load of old drug addicted homeless girls lining soi bukhao hoping someone is desperate enough to actually want to pay them.

As for online, very few girls that are willing to come over during covid 19 and those that are willing are the bottom of the barrel desperados.

Photo shop is indeed a wonderful invention for those that want smoke and mirrors to impress their fellow mongers.

EihTooms

05-19-20, 01:48

I certainly hope that at age 67 I'm able to get Freebie civilian girls in their 20's who look like models. I'm no where near 67 and have difficulties. I've noticed a huge drop off in getting super hot freebie civilian girls. It's certainly not as easy any more. Maybe the secret is to move to Bangkok?

Hopefully when guys say Freebie girls it's under the same context as what I consider a Freebie girl. You don't give a girl the false pretense that you have money or will give the girl money or the sense she will have a better life, you don't make false promises you will take her overseas or travel outside of Thailand, you do not buy them gifts or buy them things when you go shopping with them, you don't take her to restaurants that will cost the girl a day's salary to pay for her meal, you don't give her big tips if she is a bartender or works as a waitress, and if the girl is a bar girl you don't frequently visit her bar and buy her loads of drinks, etc.

I always feel like I'm the only one who has sh1tty service from time to time, even in a G club or Soi 6. I've lived in Pattaya long enough to know who is being truthful and who is total BS.I think I might hold the record for reporting sh1tty service in both Pattaya and Bangkok. LOL. And that can happen with me more than from time to time.

Actually, you bring up an interesting point about the empty promises tactic, BananaBoi. Maybe my sh1tty service percentages would go way down if I did employ some of those tactics you mentioned! I know some guys operate that way, but I don't. Like you, I hate that kind of thing.

The only item in your list I will cop to is taking my regulars and repeats to decent restaurants that might cost fairly close to an average Thai wage per day for their meal. Say around 300-400 baht for their meal. Talking about places no more expensive or extraordinary than, say, Monsoon on Soi 8 or Margarita Storm on Sukhumvit Soi 13. Maybe stop at Swensen's afterwards. But that is because I want to eat there, not really to impress them. LOL. Not that it would anyway.

More often than not, those girls would rather get somtam from a street vendor. And we do that as much as the other places. We still might stop at a McDs for a chocolate dipped ice cream cone though!

Oh, I almost forgot. I did buy the barista girl a 25,000 baht phone she was lusting for last year. For her birthday. But that was after she'd spent a couple nights per week with me for several months already.

Mr Enternational

05-19-20, 02:02

It's hard to decide who's got more "game": Mr. E. , a late forties (if I remember correctly) guy who gets 3000 baht ST hookers to come over for 1000 baht LT or ET, a mid-sixties (if I remember correctly) guy who gets a 22-year old non-hooker model to come over LT to fuck bareback cip for free.LOL. You guys have me in stitches. A few things that I think are important to remember:

In the discos nobody has on a nametag that says I work at such and such gogo. 9.9 times out of 10 I don't even find this out until the next day when she says something like I have to work today. Then naturally I ask where do you work. Then she is like such and such gogo, dentist office, or wherever the hell else.

I choose who I like. I have no concern or add no extra points because someone works at a certain place. In a facebook group that I am in some guys wanted to know if anyone has ever fucked one of the waitresses that works at Hooters. I have fucked plenty of waitresses, desk clerks, dental hygenists, etc. I see it as no badge of honor to fuck a chick because she works at a particular named restaurant or anyplace else.

Just like the chick from TF that came over for 1200 LT a couple of weeks ago. When she got here and we started talking she said she works at Lisa on the Beach Agogo and guys sometime there give her 5000 baht. Hell, I don't even go to gogos so if I have not read about it here then I don't know. I told her I have never heard of it. She looked at me like I was crazy. She said it is on Beach Road. The only gogo I knew about on Beach Road was Tahitian Queen.

Also most of the time you leave the disco with a chick there is no price discussion. You just give them what is fair the next day. So I am not in there haggling with a chick and she is telling me but I get 3000 ST from my normal gogo job. 1000-1200 LT has always been sufficient for most chicks out of the discos.

Sometimes there is chick creep. I posted last year about the chick I fucked at Kinnaree for 1000 ST that said she works at Whats Up agogo at night. Everybody knows that is one of the most expensive places in town. Did I know she worked there before I fucked her? No. Was she up in Kinnaree talking about but I get 5000 ST in Whats Up so I am not taking 1000 ST in Kinnaree? No. They have sense enough to know that they get different prices from different places and do not say that because I get paid more money in one place I will not go to another place where I will get less. Just like McDonald's, they work every angle. Just because McDonald's gets $5 for a burger in France, does not mean they will not open a place in Philippines where they will only get $2 for a burger.

Last, for me Long Time is from night until morning or if coming from a disco late at night it could be from 3, 4, 5, or even 6am until the chick wakes up and fucks again and leaves. After one Thai Friendly chick asked for 2000 LT the other day I told her 1000 LT. She accepted and asked if I was okay with it being from 9pm until 9am. I am not much of a daytime fucker. I prefer to fuck at night before I sleep and in the morning when I wake up. I like having a bed warmer so LT is what I am usually doing, not that I am going to be fucking her 4 or 5 times.

LittleBigMan

05-19-20, 02:35

Mr. E,

We must have met the same girl last year at Kinarree that works at What's Up? I didn't take her but my cousin did I remember her well because my brother and cousins are smokers and I was social distancing. Next thing I know she comes out in her street clothes I thought my cousin was taking her for the day but she was going home to sleep reason her goal was two minimum ST, as a freelancer at Kinnaree and she got it quick today one with my cousin then it being so dark inside my cousin thought he slipped her a 100 baht when it was 1000 baht.

Member #4673

05-19-20, 02:53

What is actually left in Pattaya? A load of old drug addicted homeless girls lining soi bukhao hoping someone is desperate enough to actually want to pay them.

As for online, very few girls that are willing to come over during covid 19 and those that are willing are the bottom of the barrel desperados..Super accurate assessment.

I am in Pattaya now and that's the reality. Many normal girl are hanging around but they are not interested. Also some of the farang I see are bottom of the barrel hanging around without mask etc.

EihTooms

05-19-20, 03:07

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I've tried the apps but nobody except lady boys and fuglies want to know. I cannot for the life of me figure out what the fuck I am doing wrong.Right now, for the past few weeks during the lockdown, there has been a much higher percentage of old ladies in their 40's and up clicking Interested in me on the dating sites. This is in Bangkok, where I live and do virtually all of my dating and mongering these days except for a rare dip into Pattaya P4P every few months.

So I mean ladies who are still in Bangkok. The increase in old ladies is possibly due to the fact that they are almost the only ones left in Bangkok on the apps. They have more established regular jobs here and there is no longer a mom and dad around to run to for support in their home province.

Predictably, the better looking young girls (in photographs, that is) who click Interested in me are in outer provinces too far for it to be useful to me, even from Pattaya. But I always write those off as set ups designed to convince me to send them "travel money" so they can come to Bangkok and make me the happiest man in the world. LOL. No, honey, cannot. "Travel money" only after we are together. I'll pay for your van, bus, train and taxi when you arrive.

Which is why I feel very lucky to have a dozen or so favorites, repeats and regulars in the greater metropolitan Bangkok area to draw from during this time. But I still take a shot at adding a new potential favorite every week or two.

Banana Boi

05-19-20, 03:12

then it being so dark inside my cousin thought he slipped her a 100 baht when it was 1000 baht.Sounds like a friend of mine who visited me for a weekend. We hit Sapphire. I handed him a handful of 1000 baht bills so he could enjoy himself for the weekend. I was busy with a girl and happy he was so popular. Little did I know he was passing out these 1000 baht bills to the girls. When I caught on I asked him why he was doing that. He thought 1000 baht was worth a couple of USD since I had handed him 30 of them when he arrived.

EihTooms

05-19-20, 03:43

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Last, for me Long Time is from night until morning or if coming from a disco late at night it could be from 3, 4, 5, or even 6am until the chick wakes up and fucks again and leaves. After one Thai Friendly chick asked for 2000 LT the other day I told her 1000 LT. She accepted and asked if I was okay with it being from 9pm until 9am. I am not much of a daytime fucker. I prefer to fuck at night before I sleep and in the morning when I wake up. I like having a bed warmer so LT is what I am usually doing, not that I am going to be fucking her 4 or 5 times.Ah, now see that 3, 4, 5 or 6am takeaway would not work for me. I am much more into a LT being from around dinner time, might even include taking the girl to dinner, like 7 or 8pm, and lasting until at least 9 or 10am the next day. And, like you, not that I am going to be fucking many times but because I like having a bed warmer. And I hate the time pressure of a typical ST.

Out of a beer bar or a go-go bar, a LT for me usually begins around 10pm or midnight at the latest.

So I must now concede that the kind of LT you are talking about from a disco that really begins in the wee hours of the morning when the girl has far fewer customer options could easily fall into that deep discount cost range you have been talking about. It would just not work for me as a desirable option anymore, not even for free.

I guess I never think of that kind of early morning takeaway when everything is closing and many of the drinkers are looking for a place to crash as a conventional "Long Time." I realize it will involve sleeping together at some point and therefore I will spend more than an hour or two with the lady. But I don't know. Shouldn't there be a third term in addition to LT and ST to describe it? LOL.

Mr Enternational

05-19-20, 04:56

Predictably, the better looking young girls (in photographs, that is) who click Interested in me are in outer provinces too far for it to be useful to me, even from Pattaya. But I always write those off as set ups designed to convince me to send them "travel money" so they can come to Bangkok and make me the happiest man in the world. LOL. No, honey, cannot. "Travel money" only after we are together. I'll pay for your van, bus, train and taxi when you arrive.A chick that I met online was coming to visit me from Surin. She stopped to see her family in Ayutthaya. She wanted me to send her 300 baht gas money to continue on to Pattaya. I said just borrow it and I will give it to you when you get here. She said there was no way to do that. From Surin to Ayutthaya is 5 hours. From Ayutthaya to Pattaya is 2.5 hours. So how did she plan on having gas money to drive 5 hours back home if she could not get gas money to drive 2.5 hours to Pattaya?

CzarNicholas

05-19-20, 04:57

She would have to service Rob Retiree twelve freaking times.You're missing a big piece of the equation, I saw this in bkk and AC, some hookers rather fuck me for a cheap price or for free.

Rather than, fuck many other customers in the bar.

She doesn't have to fuck me, she wants to, its not work, its pleasure.

If I give her any money at all, its double pleasure (proverbial win-win) hahaha.

CzarNicholas

05-19-20, 05:15

The eye of the beholder factor certainly does matter.I would love to do an ISG survey LOL.

How many mongers on this board would agree eye of the beholder is pure bullshit?

A grown man is going to say an ugly hooker is pretty, no matter how ugly.

And then have the balls to say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Are you fucking kidding me?

A 10 is a 10.

And a 4 is a 4.

Facts will always be facts.

Gargano19

05-19-20, 08:12

Hopefully when guys say Freebie girls it's under the same context as what I consider a Freebie girl. You don't give a girl the false pretense that you have money or will give the girl money or the sense she will have a better life, you don't make false promises you will take her overseas or travel outside of Thailand, you do not buy them gifts or buy them things when you go shopping with them, you don't take her to restaurants that will cost the girl a day's salary to pay for her meal, you don't give her big tips if she is a bartender or works as a waitress, and if the girl is a bar girl you don't frequently visit her bar and buy her loads of drinks, etc.
I agree on your points of false promises of money or vacation trips or buying expensive gifts, that doesn't really count as freebie for me. Buying drinks for her is always a good start for me in clubs, not for her friends ofcourse. I stay away from large group of friends unless I find a sure-shot hot girl in them. In general Freebie for me is to get sex without ever discussing money or making false promises like she can live with me or something.

Gargano19

05-19-20, 08:19

A lot of one-upmanship going on these days.

I can get it cheaper than you.

Yeah but mine is better looking.

Mine is younger.

OK but my hoe stays all night.

Mine too but also does whatever I ask.

No biggie same with mine but she introduced me to her younger sister.

Mine introduced me to her mother who has a smoking body and gave the best BJ I've ever had, if you don't believe me here are the pics and our live chat telling me she wants to come right back over again for free.
And the longer it's going, the more bitter and childish both are sounding. I just hope it has stopped now.

I've tried the apps but nobody except lady boys and fuglies want to know. I cannot for the life of me figure out what the fuck I am doing wrong.Thailand I consider is the easiest place to bang girls. I don't know which app you're using. Tinder has been a great find for me here, I started using Tinder in Thailand during covid. Otherwise I only used it for other countries. Just last weekend, I installed TF and quality was miserable. I only liked 4-5 girls who looked cute. All were just really bad. Braces, fat, old, bad skin and what not. Maybe I was using it at wrong time of day.

EihTooms

05-19-20, 10:21

And the longer it's going, the more bitter and childish both are sounding. I just hope it has stopped now.
..Is one of those "bitter and childish" "one-upmanship" posters supposed to be me? LOL. Wow.

I have been posting here for many, many years and those pics are the first ones I have ever posted of someone I have dated or sessioned with. And that was because XXL, a nice enough seeming fellow, asked me to do it. I had to go to the FAQ section here to find out how. On top of which I figured there is so little else for anyone to report on or talk about during the lockdown, maybe this is a good time to contribute some pics for what can still be had (in Bangkok, at least) even with all the bars and clubs closed. Along with a pertinent description of what the photos cannot show and tell.

Although I would not speak for him and only assuming he is supposed to be the other one submitting "bitter and childish" posts in these exchanges, I might even suggest that Mr. E is motivated by a similar "what else is there to talk about here?" inspiration for what he has been posting lately.

One overly sensitive reaction to a perfectly reasonable and, I dare say potentially informative, exchange was typical. But a second and possibly a third seems like a weird trend.

There is no bitterness here. A few options for how some of us get what we want over the basic menu offerings in the Thai P4P/sex dating scene were discussed. In some cases it might seem like magic words or demeanor at first and then turn out to be mostly strategic timing. Good info. It might be offering more money or holding firm on less. Any number of ways to do it and get results worth reporting, if a site like this one is to be useful at all.

But that is just my non bitter and I don't believe to be childish opinion. YMMV.

Mr Enternational

05-19-20, 10:26

Although I would not speak for him, I might even suggest that Mr. E is motivated by a similar "what else is there to talk about here?" inspiration for what he has been posting lately.We can always write about the tickets that we bought and got refunds for or when we think the country will open back up for foreigners to come.

EihTooms

05-19-20, 10:36

We can always write about the tickets that we bought and got refunds for or when we think the country will open back up for foreigners to come.We could if we were unfortunate enough, and I really mean that, to be caught on the outside of this place during these times and unable to enter.

But we're not. (hehe)

Trex7

05-19-20, 10:36

Damn I'm missing my second home (Pattaya) really hope with all these easing on restrictions the international flights can start resuming. Being optimistic I know. Miss the craziness of the town.

Gargano19

05-19-20, 13:00

Is one of those "bitter and childish" "one-upmanship" posters supposed to be me? LOL. Wow.

I have been posting here for many, many years and those pics are the first ones I have ever posted of someone I have dated or sessioned with. I don't think anyone's denying your contributions to the forum. And it's not about pics of girls either, they didn't reveal faces so no big deal.

I think you made your point about E's reports around 10-20 posts ago, there was no need to repeat the same for so long.

LittleBigMan

05-19-20, 13:56

I was wondering when it would get to this point? Any other time someone would have suggested and play moderator long ago to create a thread for this subject even in the best of times I've been against starting new threads and when it comes to looks and price I'm totally against it! What goes around comes around.

Right now what else is there is talk about regardless of their views there is much to learn from their experience and style regardless of how many times it is repeated I myself find between the lines there is something to learn it could be new or reinforce what I already experience of believing and that is how readers should look at it. No one should look at their reports negatively or should try to follow them like I said people need to be themselves and if you get a bit of Mr. E, a bit of E. T. In your journey and enjoy yourself then the flight time would have been worth it?

Personally, I would never be a Mr. E, nor E. T. But it doesn't mean I've never experienced some of their reports in fact when I do I kind of cringe it brings back memories when the phone use to always ring today it goes silent the only time it goes off is when AIS sends me promotions I'm content with that.

Today up at 5 like always get the outside of the house in order, replaced a large section of sheetrock in my driveway, mudded, painted then replaced the two recess lighting fixture that had rusted, help my son find the leak in his daughter rubber swimming pool, did my standard 4 Kilo M, run around the park return and took a nice cold shower then off with the misses to Pattaya Nua, Decathlon to get a new windbreaker for 500 baht, proceeded to Big see extra Klang did some shopping and treated the both of us to a triple chocolate chip banana split each at Swenson in relaxing A / see with some social distancing life is good fellas.

Oh, with all the money exchange places closed, usually T. T. Has the best rates but with a monopoly now at Big see, their rates offering is like. 20 lower than the market offering. I did notice the T. T. On Soi Baukhoi across from Witherspoon's still open offering a bit better.

Mr. E, E. T. Keep up the reports!

EihTooms

05-19-20, 15:08

I don't think anyone's denying your contributions to the forum. And it's not about pics of girls either, they didn't reveal faces so no big deal.

I think you made your point about E's reports around 10-20 posts ago, there was no need to repeat the same for so long.We can agree to disagree.

But I just counted a maximum of 12 posts of mine specifically on the side discussion difference between what Mr. E has experienced and observed on this particular topic and what I have experienced and observed, including all replies to questions and comments from other posters. I don't see that as an especially huge amount of posts on a topic pertinent to the overall overriding subject of this site that also seemed to inspire a lot of input from several other posters.

On top of which, there was a key detail that was revealed (reminded of) at the end of the discussion that clarified and, frankly, changed almost every aspect of the discussion that came before it. Had I stopped at the fourth or fifth posted reply, question or comment, we might not have gotten around to that (to my mind) key game changing reminder.

I'm talking about where Mr. E reminded us his disco girl LT takeaways are often at 3, 4, 5 or even 6am when the bars are closing or have been closed and options are much more limited for what to do next. That reminder changed everything, clarified much and caused me to concede that kind of timing would certainly go a long way to ensuring he or anyone else got girls to accept 1,000 baht who ordinarily would not go for so little.

IMO, that detail made all the previous posts by me and everyone else worth it because now our different experiences and observations make sense and compute just fine.

Java Man

05-19-20, 16:25

The Baht is strong in Thailand. It dipped below 32THB earlier today. It's currently at 1USD = 31.8877THB per xe.com. TT Currency exchange giving 31.73THB. Ouch! Maybe because of this:

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1920832/thai-stocks-hit-10-week-high-amid-regional-rise-on-vaccine-hopes

MrClen

05-19-20, 16:36

A chick that I met online was coming to visit me from Surin. She stopped to see her family in Ayutthaya. She wanted me to send her 300 baht gas money to continue on to Pattaya. I said just borrow it and I will give it to you when you get here. She said there was no way to do that. From Surin to Ayutthaya is 5 hours. From Ayutthaya to Pattaya is 2.5 hours. So how did she plan on having gas money to drive 5 hours back home if she could not get gas money to drive 2.5 hours to Pattaya?It never ceases to amaze me how cheap some of the posters are. $10! If you thought she was any good, just send it and tell her is is a down payment for when she get there. As as old guy, I don't try to bargain for the cheapest piece of tail I can find and pay for good service.

MrClen

05-19-20, 16:45

EihTooms

05-19-20, 16:55

It never ceases to amaze me how cheap some of the posters are. $10! If you thought she was any good, just send it and tell her is is a down payment for when she get there. As as old guy, I don't try to bargain for the cheapest piece of tail I can find and pay for good service.If Mr. E's experience has been anything like mine, he never would have seen that girl, who might not even be a girl but some Thai guy with a few photos of a hot girl busy collecting 300 baht transfers to his sister's bank account all day.

I USED to transfer the odd 200 baht or 300 baht "travel money" to girls with a sweet photo, even a decent video chat appearance on the same premise you described; So what, it isn't much money, she's really cute, why not.

I might have done it maybe 4-5 times years ago.

Not once did any girl ever show up in my city. LOL. At least, not to see ME. Always assume such a request is a scam to collect money for nothing and the girl in those photos or even in a 2 minute video chat is never going to see a bus terminal in her life. She could even be sharing a room with her boyfriend 1 kilometer away from where you live.

Member #4698

05-19-20, 17:21

Danny Duck

05-19-20, 19:44

Dena0

05-19-20, 20:20

Mr Enternational

05-20-20, 00:49

As as old guy, I don't try to bargain for the cheapest piece of tail I can find and pay for good service.How would you know if it was good service before you have had it?

EihTooms

05-20-20, 01:12

Rule # 1: Never pay a FL in advance for anything.

And that includes bus fare, trike fare, anything fare. You tell the girl, "yeah of course, I will give you Money for taxi after we done and before you leave (my place)". And that's that and If said girl does not like that arrangement then politely tell her, "so sorry / maybe I see you next time" and go dial up the next girl. It is that simple. I don't know why some guys look for rotten fruit in the land of sweet mangoes.

Wait, I take that back slightly. I have on very rare occasions come down from my hotel room to pay off a taxi driver when my FL date convinced me she absolutely did not have enough Pesos to cover the taxi fare. And guess what country that was in? LOL. The one and only Philippine Islands. But I repeat the underlying fundamental rule; never send money to a girl you do not know.

Rule # 2: Never pay in advance for sex. Unless it is the standard operating procedure of the oily, soapy, or we are a talking about a Go Go barfine and just the barfine and drink tab. If the Go Go girl or mamasan insists on full pre-payment, walk away.Absolutely agree with this. The only comment I would add is to bear in mind the usual approach in those dating site "send/transfer travel money to me and I will come to stay with you" scams is they don't charactrrize themselves as freelancers. No, they cast themselves as just innocent, ordinary Thai farm girls with no travel money, stuck in their boring, poverty-ridden province, desperate to find true love and sex instructions in the exciting city of wherever you live.

Oh, and I would say I have had a few pretty good sessions with girls I'd only met online who indeed did show up as planned by taxi and then I paid their 200 baht or so taxi fare to the taxi driver on arrival. In Bangkok.

Franciscass

05-20-20, 05:40

Absolutely agree with this. The only comment I would add is to bear in mind the usual approach in those dating site "send/transfer travel money to me and I will come to stay with you" scams is they don't charactrrize themselves as freelancers. No, they cast themselves as just innocent, ordinary Thai farm girls with no travel money, stuck in their boring, poverty-ridden province, desperate to find true love and sex instructions in the exciting city of wherever you live.

Oh, and I would say I have had a few pretty good sessions with girls I'd only met online who indeed did show up as planned by taxi and then I paid their 200 baht or so taxi fare to the taxi driver on arrival. In Bangkok.A con is a straight up never see your money again.

I wouldn't put girls asking for bus fare in that category. Of course it can be a scam and I have no idea what the breakdown of it is or it isn't is.

So I would be in the camp that says because it is a pittance send the 300 baht if you feel she is on the up and up and you really want to meet her but be aware the odds are probably against you that she will be on the bus. This changes when the ask is north of 500 baht.

When I play roulette I usually stick to red or black but occasionally I try to hit a number. You have a 3% chance but when it comes home it's s buzz. Who knows what experience you may have missed by not sending that 300 baht.

USExpat

05-20-20, 08:59

How would you know if it was good service before you have had it?Old guys just know stuff like this.

Crocodilexp

05-20-20, 20:16

girls I'd only met online who indeed did show up as planned by taxi and then I paid their 200 baht or so taxi fare to the taxi driver on arrival. In Bangkok.In this case, the girl is already in front of you. Covering her transportation expenses at that point is only fair, regardless of what happens afterwards. This is vastly different than wiring money to someone unknown who may or may not decide to come.

Asking money for "travel expenses" is either a scam or an indicator of extreme insecurity and mistrust, which does not bode well for the session. If someone can't scrounge up 200 baht for the bus in pursuit of an almost certain 2000++ baht payout, their life must be seriously messed up. Now, if she's flying down from Chiang Rai, I might buy her a ticket, but that's different.

Wiring a girl you never met money for "travel expenses" is like one of those claw machines in arcades -- looks like you can win, but they're designed to make you lose without anything in return.

Goferring

05-20-20, 21:53

How would you know if it was good service before you have had it?You have mixed up the two markets. First up was grabbing a girl, no questions asked then paying what's fair in the morning. Now its pre negotiate the deal to ensure everyone is happy then leave. These are two different players and markets.

Guy1 is a long term resident whose face is known around town. Bar staff and girls have seen him many times and may even know him by name. The girls know that he knows how the game is played. He's known as frugal but will pay up and not be a hassle. He knows how much he is paying and the girls know how much they are getting even without discussing it beforehand.

Guy2 is new or has been in town once or twice. He has read up or spoken to friends about prices but isn't 100% sure on which places or girls are charging above or below standard rates. He's still got that deer in the headlights look. Girls haven't seen him before and don't know how he acts or pays. He too isn't sure if the girl is level headed or going to try and milk him by over charging so he prenegotiates the fees and services. She probably adds a tourist tax but he doesn't mind because he knows (as much as possible) what has getting.

Cheers. G.

Both go home with a girl and are happy in the morning.

Mr Enternational

05-21-20, 04:41

Who knows what experience you may have missed by not sending that 300 baht.Yep. But the odds were 2 to 1 that it would have been a bad experience. 1. She may have received the money and never come. Bad experience. 2. She may have received the money and come and I had a horrible time with her. Bad experience. 3. She may have received the money and come and I had a blast with her. Good experience.

Remember we are talking about Pattaya here, not Bumfuck, Alaska. There is absolutely no reason to send a chick on the other side of Thailand money to come here when there are already tons of other chicks here to have a good experience with. But if she is willing to hobble into town on her own volition, only then is it a risk that I am willing to take. At least then it increases my chances of having a good experience to 1 to 1.

So I would be in the camp that says because it is a pittance send the 300 baht if you feel she is on the up and up and you really want to meet her but be aware the odds are probably against you that she will be on the bus. You are right when you say the odds are against it. How many guys would send 300 baht to 1 chick in hopes that she would be on the bus? Now all things being equal except for their date of arrival, how many guys would send 300 baht to 100 chicks at the same time in hopes that they would be on the bus? Probably none. Why would you send it to 1 but not send it to 100, so you could have 100 great times?

If someone can't scrounge up 200 baht for the bus...
Wiring a girl you never met money for "travel expenses" is like one of those claw machines in arcades -- looks like you can win, but they're designed to make you lose without anything in return.LOL. I can't stop laughing from that shit. Back in January I was taking a trip to an island with a chick in Colombia that I had never met. I bought her plane ticket. I bought her a swimsuit and sandals off Amazon because she did not have those things either. Do you know she had the nerve to ask me to send her money to get from her house to the airport? She had me fucked up.

If someone is taking you on a dream vacation and your ass does not even have the will to borrow the money (that I am going to give you to pay them back) to get to the airport then you don't deserve to go. Hell, I would WALK to the airport if someone was paying for my damn trip. She ended up borrowing the money, otherwise it would have been wasted money on my part and I would have been on the island alone jacking my dick, because sending money is where I draw the line.

EihTooms

05-21-20, 05:50

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If someone is taking you on a dream vacation and your ass does not even have the will to borrow the money (that I am going to give you to pay them back) to get to the airport then you don't deserve to go. Hell, I would WALK to the airport if someone was paying for my damn trip. She ended up borrowing the money, otherwise it would have been wasted money on my part and I would have been on the island alone jacking my dick, because sending money is where I draw the line.Even more ridiculous is many provinces around Thailand, including Bangkok, have those white minivans that they can catch at designated stops in their neighborhood and shuttle to the nearest airport for 20-30 baht. These girls have all kinds of options to get food and transportation for practically no money at all.

CzarNicholas

05-21-20, 06:02

Topics regarding prostitoots. There really isn't any thing other than price that interest people.

Czar is right. A ten is a 10. A one is a 1. A 4. 66778 is a 4. 6678.

What say you.

700 baht girl is a 700 baht girl.

Got milk.Try not to hurt yourself here, if I pay a hooker 700 thb for BBFS PSE for overnite and you pay the same hooker 3000 thb for condom sex for 3 minutes.

Tell me what she is?

LittleBigMan

05-21-20, 11:40

Is anyone tired of having to sign in and out everywhere you go yet!

Today, I needed to run to Thai Wasadu Jomtien to get a case of recess lighting on sale thereafter decide to head down to Jomtien Beach to check out a number of Condos never got to finish due to the lockdown. Just a few months ago one particular place I couldn't even get in to take a look since the place was full today the manager showed me a number of units said the place is near empty only the Farangs left who own their units. Months back I was told 7000 baht a month today it was like up to you look when I ask how much to buy again it was like up to you. I was a bit surprised looking from the outside but I was impressed by the inside I don't think there is any hurry will wait and come back in a few months and tempt a Thai owner with a cash offer.

After headed off to Big see Extra, to use the ATM and get a few Subway sandwiches for the family, next thing I know someone is calling me? The person had a mask on but was wearing one of those green Grab jackets thinking who the hell could this be I don't like surprises. When the mask came off it was the girl who I met just before the shutdown at her GoGo and hook up a few times after. I decided to buy her lunch at Black Canyon and have a cup of coffee to catch up with her she said she is doing good and able to make some money to tie her over meantime I got her schedule and said when I have some free time we can hook up?

Franciscass

05-21-20, 12:09

Yep. But the odds were 2 to 1 that it would have been a bad experience. 1. She may have received the money and never come. Bad experience. 2. She may have received the money and come and I had a horrible time with her. Bad experience. 3. She may have received the money and come and I had a blast with her. Good experience.

Remember we are talking about Pattaya here, not Bumfuck, Alaska. There is absolutely no reason to send a chick on the other side of Thailand money to come here when there are already tons of other chicks here to have a good experience with. But if she is willing to hobble into town on her own volition, only then is it a risk that I am willing to take. At least then it increases my chances of having a good experience to 1 to 1.

You are right when you say the odds are against it. How many guys would send 300 baht to 1 chick in hopes that she would be on the bus? Now all things being equal except for their date of arrival, how many guys would send 300 baht to 100 chicks at the same time in hopes that they would be on the bus? Probably none. Why would you send it to 1 but not send it to 100, so you could have 100 great times?

LOL. I can't stop laughing from that shit. Back in January I was taking a trip to an island with a chick in Colombia that I had never met. I bought her plane ticket. I bought her a swimsuit and sandals off Amazon because she did not have those things either. Do you know she had the nerve to ask me to send her money to get from her house to the airport? She had me fucked up..I was instancing the guy who hooks up with somebody on line he likes, video chats for a while and wants to meet up. She agrees but says she hasn't got the fare. What does he do. Assume its a a con and check out or putt 300 on a 3 to 1 shot and send her the fare. You say never, I say why not.

Plane ticket swimsuit and sandals I hope it was result no 3 when you met.

Pimpampoumpipo

05-22-20, 14:55

Try not to hurt yourself here, if I pay a hooker 700 thb for BBFS PSE for overnite and you pay the same hooker 3000 thb for condom sex for 3 minutes.

Tell me what she is?As with any purchase, the fair price is the price you are willing to pay for her. Whatever the reasons.

Maybe I'll pay 3000 for a girl you wouldn't give 700 to.

And reciprocally.

And the next day it will be the opposite.

Banana Boi

05-22-20, 15:58

Is anyone tired of having to sign in and out everywhere you go yet!Wonder if you'll be tracked once the bars reopen. I just imagine an Immigration Officer questioning me "Why you go to 10 gogo bars every night, Khun BB?

EihTooms

05-22-20, 16:25

Wonder if you'll be tracked once the bars reopen. I just imagine an Immigration Officer questioning me "Why you go to 10 gogo bars every night, Khun BB?In Bangkok, some of the mall staff are already cutting corners and waving people through without them touching every base to get in or out.

A couple of times already I have spent 2-3 seconds pretending to catch the QR code, tapping in and all that but then I just showed them the green CHECK IN result from a previous mall entry. See, I'd taken a screenshot of that first one and just kept showing that same screenshot at every mall and shop I went into after that. Same with the CHECK OUT image and that thing you tap at the bottom of the page.

Should they require the same CHECK IN and CHECK OUT procedure by then, I'm guessing it will be possible to do that in and out of every bar after about the 4th night.

Gilolo

05-22-20, 18:36

You are probably right about the reaction of overall market to this fairly outrageous price hike and I expect that I will probably still visit Soi 6 with the same frequency as before. That is to say infrequently and only when I have nothing better to do before the Go Go's open. The reason: I was never very much enthralled with the quality on Soi 6 and thus I rarely took a girl upstairs. But this being LOS, I don't expect the quality to get any better since the prices have been raised. Too bad. I expect the Soi 6 faithfull are up in arms over this development. Maybe, if you are a well known customer the price hike won't apply to you. I don't know. Think I will check and see what is being posted on that other forum which we can't mention the name of here.

But all that said, I did meet a simple, Isan girl last time I wandered down Soi 6 and after some fun prelims down stairs she took me upstairs and we had a very passionate bareback session.
Overall looks - 5. 25 stars.
Body 6 stars.
Personality 7. 5 stars.
Sex 7. 5 stars. You're totally true for Soi 6. But not only in Soi 6. Now in Pattaya it's very difficult to find sexy young ladies! Maybe you can think I'm difficult customer but when I pay I like to fuck sexy ladies! But in Soi 6, I don't know if you agree with me but usually we can find 1 sexy girl per bar. You just need to arrive on the good moment when she's free and not shagging with other customer. Usually sexy girls are taken quickly in room.

That's why each time I arrive early in Soi 6 around 6/7 pm and I'm a hunter looking for the sexy girl! Sometimes I find abd sometimes not so then I go other soi.

But usually I'm lucky and I find sexy ladies!

And for condoms I never use. I love barebacking and CIP. And ladies are OK. Usually I give them TIP.

Gilolo

05-23-20, 01:40

Most of the girls I choose do give a fuck. They are not handing out BBFS+CIP in the first hour of a first session with absolutely no discussion about condoms in the room, especially not for 700 baht. And that no further discussion about it is what I am negotiating for upfront and willing to pay an additional insignificant upcharge for it. I am not talking about getting it on the second or third session. I am not talking about getting it after a 15 minute conversation about it in my room over my increasingly less interested wilting erection.

Could I target ladies I am already 90% sure would not say no to BBFS+CIP in the room with or without a confrontation and the same dreary "safety first" conversation women have been launching into with me and the same tedious responses I have been explaining to them about it for the past 45+ years of mongering?

Yep. Easily.

But, for one thing, I would be targeting a much less attractive level of female than I'd even want to fuck. And, for another thing, I would much, much, much rather just get that discussion over with on the street, in the club or online and start enjoying the knowledge that I will, not might, be getting what I want with this girl with no further discussion required in the room for a mere 500 - 1000 baht more than what appears to already be rock bottom bargain prices.I totally agree with you. It's long time now I didn't use any condom. I've a full box of condoms I've never open for the last 2 years. I hate condoms and if girls don't ask me to put condoms I don't put. I know some people will think I'm crazy, but it's very difficult for me to be horny with condoms! This year only 2 girls on soi 6 asked me to use condoms and they were maybe the most most beautiful girls of the soi but after a negotiation of only 1 minutes, I told them the magic word! "I give you more money" ! And waouhhhh! They were OK! 1 wanted 2000 but I finally gave her 1000 more and the other just 500 and she was happy! And I came in their pussy!

LittleBigMan

05-23-20, 01:51

Wonder if you'll be tracked once the bars reopen. I just imagine an Immigration Officer questioning me "Why you go to 10 gogo bars every night, Khun BB?It sounds by the time they are opened there be a vaccine?

Omigawd

05-23-20, 12:47

Danny Duck

05-23-20, 20:35

Paolo99

05-23-20, 23:13

Many girls might find locals and get off the market for good. If they could catch a local that have enough money to take care of them they would already have one before covid appears.

Locals with money are not interested by these girls.

And these girls are not interested in having the kind of life that poor Thai couples are having so don't worry for that aspect.

Banana Boi

05-24-20, 08:39

I'm not a big fan of Pattaya.

700 baht big AgoGo stars may get me back. Can someone please explain why there are so many posters on this thread who continually say they don't like Pattaya but post on the Pattaya thread seemingly on a daily basis? I'm not a fan of Brazil, Cuba, or Costa Rica and I definitely DO NOT read threads for those countries on a daily or even annual basis.

30+ posts in the Pattaya thread in 2 weeks but you don't like the place and won't come back unless gogo girls are 700 baht.

EihTooms

05-24-20, 09:01

Can someone please explain why there are so many posters on this thread who continually say they don't like Pattaya but yet read the Pattaya thread seemingly on a daily basis? I'm not a fan of Brazil, Cuba, or Costa Rica and I definitely DO NOT read threads for those countries on a daily or even monthly basis.

30+ posts in the Pattaya thread in 2 weeks but you don't like the place and won't come back unless gogo girls are 700 baht.Because this thread has often had more interesting non Pattaya-related/Field Report-related discussions regarding general P4P methods and madness as well as other topics than say, the Bangkok Reports thread.

Seriously. Go back into the archives and you'll see what I mean. More interesting side topics are raised here, by Pattaya afficionados, guys who live there and punters who just came back from a trip to Pattaya, that logjcally should have been initiated in the Thai Lounge or Stupid Shit in Thailand threads than almost any other thread.

Which begs the question, why is (was) there not enough compelling subject matter here directly related to specific girls, bars and venues in Pattaya to fill the spare time even of those punters who live there and devote most of their mongering time and energy there so as to crowd out any apparently often more discussion-stimulating input from the "I've been there, not a big fan, but on that particular subject this is what I believe" postings?

Banana Boi

05-24-20, 09:16

Which begs the question, why is (was) there not enough compelling subject matter here directly related to specific girls, bars and venues in Pattaya to fill the spare time even of those punters who live there and devote most of their mongering time and energy there so as to crowd out any apparently often more discussion-stimulating input from the "I've been there, not a big fan, but on that particular subject this is what I believe" postings?Because half the posters on here are the same guy from France using many multiple fake handles but that's an entirely different issue.

Like yourself, I provide a summary of the bars I attend on many nights so guys know where to go that week. I even provide Live Updates! Once Thailand allows Farang back I will continue doing so.

EihTooms

05-24-20, 10:05

Because half the posters on here are the same guy from France using many multiple fake handles but that's an entirely different issue.LOL. If so, very perceptive of you! Can't say I was paying enough attention to pick up on that.

Like yourself, I provide a summary of the bars I attend on many nights so guys know where to go that week. I even provide Live Updates! Once Thailand allows Farang back I will continue doing so.Yes, those are (were) good info. Hopefully, we can get back to reporting up-to-date observations about the scene less of a downer than what I have seen on a daily and nightly basis here in Bangkok. On the street scene, that is.

Mr Enternational

05-24-20, 12:08

Met a chick the other night on TF. She said that she was in the massage business, but since things are at zero now she has started selling sandwiches out of the shop. She sent me a picture of a delicious looking BLT. It is hard to get a good one around here so I was up for it.

The next day I did not make breakfast. About 1 pm I took a bicycle ride over to the place with nothing but that BLT on my mind. I got in the vicinity and she was not answering to guide me to the correct place. I figured it out and upon her coming outside I gave her the third degree. She said she was busy talking to a friend who was there as well.

They offered me water and I told her that I was ready for that beautiful sandwich that she had showed me. Her and another friend instead tried to talk me into a Vietnamese pizza (no idea either) but that was not what I came for. Finally she gave in to make the sandwich.

What she came back with was nothing like the picture. It was pepperoni and shredded carrots between 2 pieces of bread. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I rode all the way over here for a BLT after not cooking this morning and you bring me whatever this is? Are you sure this is not April Fools Day? Her friends were trying to explain that she knew nothing about Western culture and food. Well why the fuck would she try to sell it off to me that she did? One friend said that she had worked in a restaurant for a British boss before and she would take her to the supermarket the next day to buy all the things needed for a Western style sandwich.

I stuck around a while longer and the restaurant friend was leaving. The other friend went to make one of those Vietnamese pizzas for a Thai chick that came through. So now the girl is rubbing on my leg and asking to come stay at my place tonight. I told her sure. She asked how much I would give her and I told her 50 baht. She said 50 baht will not even buy a condom. She said what if we go upstairs right now and fuck. I said 500 baht. (The same as I have always said should be paid for fucking at a massage shop.).

She was really happy and went upstairs to start the AC. She came back and got me. I knocked that pussy into next week. When we finished she took me into the shower and gave me a bath. She had the biggest water trash can that I have seen in my life. It damn near came to my chest. I dried off, got dressed, and hit the road.

Kamsutra69

05-24-20, 14:04

Only in Pattaya one can for a sandwich and get fucked instead.

Met a chick the other night on TF. She said that she was in the massage business, but since things are at zero now she has started selling sandwiches out of the shop. She sent me a picture of a delicious looking BLT. It is hard to get a good one around here so I was up for it.

The next day I did not make breakfast. About 1 pm I took a bicycle ride over to the place with nothing but that BLT on my mind. I got in the vicinity and she was not answering to guide me to the correct place. I figured it out and upon her coming outside I gave her the third degree. She said she was busy talking to a friend who was there as well.

They offered me water and I told her that I was ready for that beautiful sandwich that she had showed me. Her and another friend instead tried to talk me into a Vietnamese pizza (no idea either) but that was not what I came for. Finally she gave in to make the sandwich.

What she came back with was nothing like the picture. It was pepperoni and shredded carrots between 2 pieces of bread. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I rode all the way over here for a BLT after not cooking this morning and you bring me whatever this is? Are you sure this is not April Fools Day? Her friends were trying to explain that she knew nothing about Western culture and food. Well why the fuck would she try to sell it off to me that she did? One friend said that she had worked in a restaurant for a British boss before and she would take her to the supermarket the next day to buy all the things needed for a Western style sandwich..

MonkeyPaw

05-24-20, 17:45

This corona virus thingy seems to be on the verge of delivering a fatal blow to the P4P scene in Pattaya. With still no effective control in place and no sign of it abating in next month or two, I wonder if we will ever see the hundreds of girls lined up in Coco bar again. A month or two of absence would not have made a lasting difference but several months definitely will cause lasting damage. Many girls might find locals and get off the market for good. Many bars will close. Govt might jump in and use this opportunity to close massage shops and bars to deliver body blow to P4P scene.

What are your predictions for future of Pattaya and LOS, in general?About me, not sure if my opinion is worth anything, but Pattaya and Thailand is fucked. Their only "slim to none" chance of hope is to follow Monkeypaw's advice, which I think they are doing. That is. Fool the rest of the world as if Thailand cares so much about public health of its citizens and guests. Adopt the same measures as neighboring Asian and ASEAN countries which they rely on for trade and tourism. You see this in their scan, track, and trace requirement which anybody on the ground can tell you. It's a cluster fuck with people scribbling unreadable names and fake phone numbers. And others not even signing out. If Koreans do it, so must the copycat Thais. Thailand also wants to project a clean, safe, Coronavirus free country to the world, yet they can't control their HIV / AIDS infections or TB death in the tens of thousands. They are like bottom third in countries when it comes to achieving their own heath initiatives and goals according to the WHO, yet they have all these top notch hospitals ranked 6th best in the world. Those who live here will tell you it's about disparity and the best services are only for the wealthy who have money. But this top healthcare system should make tourists feel safe. So their only hope is to convince the world that Thailand is a safe haven for those who want to get away from their disease ridden country as an escape. They had this strategy when all this started and instead of the Chinese born COVID-19, their blame was on Western and European countries for the spread. Because the government knew this was going to be a long ass ride, with the world going into a recession. Less money, combined with higher travel costs, and more travel restrictions, what's Thailand best hope for the return of tourists? Yep, the neighboring Asian countries. So don't piss off the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Singaporeans, etc. Feel free to do your own research on anything I wrote and correct me if I am wrong.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1900795/imf-thai-gdp-down-6-7-

As for Pattaya, it's been 1 week since most business were allowed to reopen besides the naughty stuff, entertainment, and others (basically the places they DO NOT want their people to spend money on in a time of economic crisis like parents controlling their kids). A good indicator of how the entertainment businesses will do is is keep an eye on how fine dining and non-casual restaurants do. And in Pattaya, those are failing and empty. Very few people want to pay that price and not receive the level of service, quality, or dining out experience they are used to. Even the casual restaurants in the mall are only doing 25-40% of their normal sales. I spoke to a (very hot) girl at the Puma store today and was told they only sold a cap and a pair of shorts the entire day on a Sunday at 6:40 PM. Central Festival was only 10-15% of their normal crowd. Royal garden was at 5%. Mikes Shopping Mall is still closed. Most Beach Road businesses are closed. Almost all on Walking Street are too. All the while, rent needs to be paid. Businesses, like people, who lived month to month are going to go bankrupt, just like Thai Airways current "restructuring," a term so people don't panic. Most have only around 6 months of safety and this downturn will last so much longer.

But it's not only about Thailand. It becomes "macro," when the big names like China or the USA or Hong Kong or the EU fails. And guess what? Shit is hitting the ceiling with all of them right now. I expect it to get worse with more bankruptcies and layoffs added to an already struggling economy so highly dependent on tourism. Remember entertainment and dining out used to give us an "experience" worth paying extra for. You can stay at home and call a hooker over or you go out, hang out, drink it up, and party a bit for a hooker. If the prices don't change but the service and experience does with all these new restrictions, do you still pay? Will it even be fun anymore? Now there is worry that the prices will go up, just like airlines in order to re-coop previous and current losses. Now will you still pay? And as I walked around in the mall tonight, I can see the look of despair in the faces of the shop workers. Their co-workers have been laid off, staff reduced, workload increased, but nobody is spending on needless things. For example, girls are buying less make up and not getting their hair done as much at the shop because who is there to impress? The weekend warriors at the bars and clubs are gone. They can wake up, put on a face mask and go outside. It's a domino effect and the more you think, those connections make it look grim. How much money is spent trying to peacock and attracting the opposite sex? Good luck with that now. I was telling XXL, I have to remind girls to wear make up for our appointments to fuck.

Anyways, need to break up the gloom and doom talk with some positives. Tree Town is still kicking. Rules are relaxed there, so people can drink and socialize. Because as someone mentioned, the police got heir hands in that area and it is a money maker. It's fast and very casual with little or no service provided. However, places like Mulligans, Beer Hub, And Soul City are doing poor with waiters just standing around. So anyways, that's the new tiny Walking Street of sort, but not much action for the sober monger with good vision. Very few quality in my opinion, but what do I know. I don't have a good track record with selecting the prettiest girls. Girls are also working out of the Titty Twister club on Soi Post Office. Grabbed a cute skinny one (there was only 3) during an evening stroll for 1000. Also near the Subway on Buakhao, are 3 girls who sell face masks at the AG Massage shop. They fuck for 1200. Took a short haired one the other night coming back from Tree Town. Both girls provided BBBJ, with CIM along with CFS. Enjoy.

Danny Duck

05-24-20, 18:44

Can someone please explain why there are so many posters on this thread who continually say they don't like Pattaya but post on the Pattaya thread seemingly on a daily basis? I'm not a fan of Brazil, Cuba, or Costa Rica and I definitely DO NOT read threads for those countries on a daily or even annual basis.

30+ posts in the Pattaya thread in 2 weeks but you don't like the place and won't come back unless gogo girls are 700 baht.Because Pattaya is very similar to Bangkok. That's why.

Rambo95

05-24-20, 19:56

Availability of girls, numbers of girl, cool atmosphere in city, food, night life, beach, cheap accomodation pattaya give complete package to monger that's why I visited 6 times in pattaya.

Can someone please explain why there are so many posters on this thread who continually say they don't like Pattaya but post on the Pattaya thread seemingly on a daily basis? I'm not a fan of Brazil, Cuba, or Costa Rica and I definitely DO NOT read threads for those countries on a daily or even annual basis.

30+ posts in the Pattaya thread in 2 weeks but you don't like the place and won't come back unless gogo girls are 700 baht.

Member #4698

05-24-20, 21:07

About me, not sure if my opinion is worth anything, but Pattaya and Thailand is fucked. Their only "slim to none" chance of hope is to follow Monkeypaw's advice, which I think they are doing. That is. Fool the rest of the world as if Thailand cares so much about public health of its citizens and guests. Adopt the same measures as neighboring Asian and ASEAN countries which they rely on for trade and tourism. You see this in their scan, track, and trace requirement which anybody on the ground can tell you. It's a cluster fuck with people scribbling unreadable names and fake phone numbers. And others not even signing out. If Koreans do it, so must the copycat Thais. Thailand also wants to project a clean, safe, Coronavirus free country to the world, yet they can't control their HIV / AIDS infections or TB death in the tens of thousands. They are like bottom third in countries when it comes to achieving their own heath initiatives and goals according to the WHO, yet they have all these top notch hospitals ranked 6th best in the world. Those who live here will tell you it's about disparity and the best services are only for the wealthy who have money. But this top healthcare system should make tourists feel safe. So their only hope is to convince the world that Thailand is a safe haven for those who want to get away from their disease ridden country as an escape. They had this strategy when all this started and instead of the Chinese born COVID-19, their blame was on Western and European countries for the spread. Because the government knew this was going to be a long ass ride, with the world going into a recession. Less money, combined with higher travel costs, and more travel restrictions, what's Thailand best hope for the return of tourists? Yep, the neighboring Asian countries. So don't piss off the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Singaporeans, etc. Feel free to do your own research on anything I wrote and correct me if I am wrong.Good reportage, Paw. Thanks.

I just have one question: doesn't this pending economic disaster facing the tourist industry and all other related sectors of the economy add incredible pressure on the Government to open up the friggin' country? To put back up the welcome sign and let anyone who want's to visit, visit and bring their hard currency with them. Yeah, temperature test new arrivals - for sure - and look for visual signs of illness, but let the risk tolerant tourists back in now, before it is too late. Meanwhile, as the country reopens, tell grandma and grandpa to self isolate for the good of the nation. That is the path forward unless the politicians are willing to accept the prevention being far worse than the virus itself. But which country has the guts to open up 1st? HA HA. That is the real question.

Gilolo

05-24-20, 21:29

Availability of girls, numbers of girl, cool atmosphere in city, food, night life, beach, cheap accomodation pattaya give complete package to monger that's why I visited 6 times in pattaya.And you forget to say, only in Pattaya all the ladies fuck bareback! BB is maybe accepted at 99% of the time! 90 % of ladies never ask to wear condom, and if they want you use condom, usually with a tip, the accept barebacking! LOL.

They just scare you come inside and give them baby! LOL.

And what is funny is they scare about Corona & Covid 19, they all want wear a mask! LOL.

But for sex no problem to fuck them bareback!

Banana Boi

05-25-20, 01:48

Because Pattaya is very similar to Bangkok. That's why.If they are similar and you don't like Pattaya does that mean you don't like Bangkok either?

Imo they are not similar at all other than the locals are Thai.

LittleBigMan

05-25-20, 02:35

Because half the posters on here are the same guy from France using many multiple fake handles but that's an entirely different issue.

Like yourself, I provide a summary of the bars I attend on many nights so guys know where to go that week. I even provide Live Updates! Once Thailand allows Farang back I will continue doing so.If this is true I wonder why individuals would do such a thing? Do they not have a life, is their self-esteem so low, that they need to spend all their time researching and writing reports and never really ever experience things first hand?

Their parents must be knocking on lock doors " johnny what you doing in there " posters need to stop writing reports and providing photos this is only feeding their wet dreams?

Keep up the good work BB, I do read your report although I live here it shortens my research list so I don't visit places that haven't changed?

MonkeyPaw

05-25-20, 04:05

SNIP

Because the government knew this was going to be a long ass ride, with the world going into a recession. Less money, combined with higher travel costs, and more travel restrictions, what's Thailand best hope for the return of tourists? Yep, the neighboring Asian countries. So don't piss off the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Singaporeans, etc. Feel free to do your own research on anything I wrote and correct me if I am wrong.Wrote this last night, and this article came out this morning. I think I hit the nail if the head. Others on here too, have mentioned this was the strategy all along for the Thais because if their "blame the farrangs" mentality. Especially, coming out of the Health Minister's mouth. China used to be #1 and have dropped to #14 with regards to COVID-19 and probably even further as time keeps passing by. Plus a nice clause would perhaps just limit those in Wuhan from travel and not the rest of China.

Keep in mind, last year, the USA pulled back on a 1. 3 billion dollar trade exception with Thailand and it kicked in recently. Basically, 1. 3 billion in Thai imports to the USA are now higher taxed. Hey "look nobody wants to buy Thai made goods unless they were untaxed" was the message the USA wanted. This move was to discourage China from moving manufacturing jobs to Thailand. Thailand has then chosen its side with the Chinese. So much crap goes on in these back rooms at a political level, most ordinary citizens are left in the dark. You don't think a phone call was made between government officials to underreport or propagandize their COVID situations and numbers? Money is always on the mind of governments more so than lives of.

And health of its citizens. Ever seen those pics of the polluted factory cities in China with black silt covering its people? Just look deeper. It's no conspiracy theory, it's common sense. Money rules this world. Am I wrong or do you still think it's love and empathy for our fellow mankind?

How does this hurt Monkeypaw? Yeah, I'm Asian but my passports are USA and HK, both anti-China. Hong Kong does not have the same strong bilateral agreement as China. Guess, I got to pop into my back pocket and pull out the secret passport #3. Oh yeah, done that already. That's why I've been here which seem forever all along. Different names definitely helps. Just like some James Bond type of shit.

https://pattayaone.news/thailand-looking-at-quarantine-waiver-for-selected-tourists/

MonkeyPaw

05-25-20, 05:57

Only in Pattaya one can for a sandwich and get fucked instead.I did offer a chick a homemade pizza for a fuck. Obviously, I wasn't to keen or serious on the girl. Thank God she rejected my offer because apparently from an insider tip, she was a LB posing, though her profile says female. Save me the headache. But I guess if it was a bait and switch, all I had to do was pay up a few slices to get her to leave. Not too bad. I still don't understand why aren't there more bait and switch and LB stories here on ISG? You mean all these years of mongering and nobody but Monkeypaw ever got fooled, especially online?

BTW that title Pizza that Ass is from one of my favorites Riley Reid award winning short films.

Danny Duck

05-25-20, 06:48

If they are similar and you don't like Pattaya does that mean you don't like Bangkok either?

Imo they are not similar at all other than the locals are Thai.What's so different about Pattaya? Just a smaller version of BKK.

Paolo99

05-25-20, 07:53

And you forget to say, only in Pattaya all the ladies fuck bareback! BB is maybe accepted at 99% of the time! 90 % of ladies never ask to wear condom, and if they want you use condom, usually with a tip, the accept barebacking! LOL.!Not in my experience.

I've met many girls told me "no condom, no sex" right before the act.

Don't know for the tip argument, I've never tried to tip them for such a thing.

LittleBigMan

05-25-20, 11:21

M. P. 's observation is pretty much on the money if not right on the money. Even before the Virus, I sat around telling anyone who would listen close to 10 years now there is a war coming with this country who would have known it would be a guy like Trump leading the charge! I've for years waited for a politician of any party to bring out what Trump and the Virus have today done expose China leaders.

When it comes to the trade war living here it wasn't just China or Thailand every region of the world was taking advantage of the USA This nonsense of "Global" was just a word if the Virus hadn't come the next target was our good old friends Europe. While the trade war was going on with the USA China had contracted with a number of smaller companies through the Thai leaders to ship goods from China and have it packaged in Thailand and ship to USA To avoid the taxes imposed by Trump for China.

You go to the shelves of markets like Big see, Lotus, Tops, Foodland you can see the mark up of 40% for American name products. I had a good conversation with the wife the other day if everything was the same price would you buy Thai or American. I brought over over USA Top-grade T-Bone steak it was gone in one day I've had Thai beef you get use to it but they know and it goes for most everything except their rice. I grew up with a Texas brand I had no problem with it? Whenever the girls at the GoGos know I'm going home I get calls for perfume!

Thailand leaders have made their choice every word out of their mouth leads to allowing China and other Asian countries (ASEAN) special treatment they have shortchanged their own people daily and now with the Virus I hope they see their true colors and do something about it instead of following like sheep. This Virus allows their leaders to get a tighter grip on the country by keeping it shut using emergency decree!

Danny Duck

05-25-20, 15:17

I did offer a chick a homemade pizza for a fuck. Obviously, I wasn't to keen or serious on the girl. Thank God she rejected my offer because apparently from an insider tip, she was a LB posing, though her profile says female. Save me the headache. But I guess if it was a bait and switch, all I had to do was pay up a few slices to get her to leave. Not too bad. I still don't understand why aren't there more bait and switch and LB stories here on ISG? You mean all these years of mongering and nobody but Monkeypaw ever got fooled, especially online?

BTW that title Pizza that Ass is from one of my favorites Riley Reid award winning short films.It's a good thing Thai leaders don't give a hoot about their populace. If they did Thailand would be Singapore.

Do you all want that?

Turgid

05-25-20, 16:41

.............When it comes to the trade war living here it wasn't just China or Thailand every region of the world was taking advantage of the USA ...........Every country that has the opportunity will take advantage of another country that gives it the opportunity. Its called international relations.

LittleBigMan

05-26-20, 01:45

Every country that has the opportunity will take advantage of another country that gives it the opportunity. Its called international relations.True, that is what it is called at the beginning in politics after the relationship it turns into an Entitlement it is the same if you take the same girl more than once!

LittleBigMan

05-26-20, 01:48

It's a good thing Thai leaders don't give a hoot about their populace. If they did Thailand would be Singapore.

Do you all want that?True, I ***** with the best of them but one of my favorite sayings after the bitching ", if they were able to fix what is wrong guys like me, wouldn't be enjoying the 30-1 plus exchange ratio " so there is a decision to be made " just ***** ".

EihTooms

05-26-20, 01:58

Not in my experience.

I've met many girls told me "no condom, no sex" right before the act.

Don't know for the tip argument, I've never tried to tip them for such a thing.Yours has certainly been my experience too. And much more so in Pattaya than in Bangkok.

I even mentioned in a recent Pattaya trip FR that a farang friend I was with who could not have been a more chick magnet if he'd been the most popular young male movie and singing star in Thailand had exactly the same experience. He almost bailed out of Pattaya altogether by the second night from the annoyance of having so much bullshit "promise" and sales pitch thrown at him with virtually zero True GFE/Real Sex (BBFS+CIP) follow through, to a depressing degree he had never experienced in several years of living in Bangkok and Hua Hin. And he was prepared to pay a fair or even a generous amount for what he wanted.

I probably should mention this. We both were trying our best to only focus on girls of a certain minimum level of overall attractiveness while we were there, itself a major challenge in Pattaya. No, I don't mean they had to be super stunners. Not at all. Just a certain minimum of acceptability worth the trip and effort.

There is no doubt anyone can cruise through Pattaya and identify one lady after another who could not afford to allow a BBFS+CIP request or any other request pass her by any time of day or night for any amount of money. As is the case everywhere else. But we did not approach those ladies and only tried our best to extricate ourselves from their clutches and attention as politely as possible.

LittleBigMan

05-26-20, 09:18

There is a school of thought that it is because US super power status is being challenged. It is how a treaty or law works, and it often has unintended consequences. One of it is that China is still classified as developing nation so it takes advantage of the status. This probably will all be fine if they don't challenge US technologically and militarily. Of example is quantum satellite and similar event has happen before. Russian is the first to send satellite to space and you can read about it on NASA web site to see how US react.I wrote a really long reply to you but in the end it wouldn't post maybe that is a good thing so this time I will just make is short.

I fully understand your view and how things work in the world especially in regards to the superpower and satellite thing. Here is the difference as far as I'm concern I grew up spending a lot of summers in Hong Kong and in my adult years spend time in China even before real capitalism was introduced to them with the four economic zones. Maybe it was my destiny because I loaded up with Chinese / American / Consitution courses to keep me out of the draft.

I have no problem with someone else becoming the leader of the world other than the USA In spite of America not being perfect do their share of nation-building but this has been going on long before there was any America. In today's world I still would like them to lead if any of you want China or Russian I say knock yourself out!

You use the word " Challenge " it might apply somewhat with Russia in space I'm sure both did their share of stealing but when it comes to how China got here today to say the challenge is far with what they did? What they did and still doing is lie cheat and steal their way to the top and that doesn't include killing their own people and spying every chance they can by sending students into the USA To steal our technology.

In the last year, they have caught a dozen spies working in government projects it might be too late to even stop them unless they just plainly close off all Visa for Chinese wanting to study here. You want to lead do it by leading not stealing. What bothers me and I've said this long ago sooner or later it is going to catch up to the rest of us Chinese Americans who are here legit fought for America like my father and Uncle in WW2.

XXL

05-26-20, 10:30

Gilolo

05-26-20, 12:11

Not in my experience.

I've met many girls told me "no condom, no sex" right before the act.

Don't know for the tip argument, I've never tried to tip them for such a thing.Well you're not lucky! In fact we never speak about condom or not before the act! Usually I love to kiss her, to lick her pussy long time and then to fuck her and usually when I'm ready to fuck them, they don't ask me to wear a condom! Only few girls ask me to put a condom and in this case I tell them I'm clean and I give them little tip like 500 and then I come in their pussy!

MonkeyPaw

05-26-20, 17:12

Good reportage, Paw. Thanks.

I just have one question: doesn't this pending economic disaster facing the tourist industry and all other related sectors of the economy add incredible pressure on the Government to open up the friggin' country? To put back up the welcome sign and let anyone who want's to visit, visit and bring their hard currency with them. Yeah, temperature test new arrivals - for sure - and look for visual signs of illness, but let the risk tolerant tourists back in now, before it is too late. Meanwhile, as the country reopens, tell grandma and grandpa to self isolate for the good of the nation. That is the path forward unless the politicians are willing to accept the prevention being far worse than the virus itself. But which country has the guts to open up 1st? HA HA. That is the real question.I wished it was that simple. Unless you are an economics guru (and even then because those expert and models haven't always been right), it's hard understand the complexity of this "world," not just Thailand crisis. You have a world wide economic crisis because you have a world wide public health crisis, not the other way around. I have an MBA in Global Business and an MHA with a minor in Health Studies plus worked in the Infectious Disease and HIV / AIDs department at a high level and I am still confused as fuck. But you know why? It's because those at the top aren't tell us everything and because technically, they don't know everything as well. Anybody, who tries to compare this to anything in the past isn't being fair. Why? The world economy is not the same as it was during Spanish Flu or anything previous. We are a global economy with the service sector outweighing the manufacturing sector or farming sector. It was not like this way back when. So the whole social distancing, no gathering thing is going to kill the world's economy by destroying the service sector. Don't believe any of the numbers they tell you. Just ask yourself how did they come up with them, and did they miss or left out any valid data points. For example, Thailand has only 3000 confirmed cases as reported. How many potentially "unconfirmed" is my next question? They will say "we don't know. " Then the answer IS "we don't know how many total cases in Thailand. " Do not mislead the people especially the uneducated that you have this under control by flashing only 3000 everyday on the news. You really have to play the devil's advocate.

To answer your question, all I can say is that things are pretty much allow to open in Pattaya besides entertainment and a few others. But yet, most are still shut down either by choice or didn't pay the rent. They are failing or know they will fail. This will snowball. Trust me, if Thailand was still making money before the shutdown, they would have still stayed open. My suggestion, was they should have trapped ALL their tourists here instead of scaring them off. They could have given incentives like, free COVID insurance, reduced hotel, transportation, attractions, and and tour rates, extended all visas and stamps free for 6 months, and kept things opened with precautions. I wonder how many tourists would have waited it out in Thailand? Remember what the tourism industry is. You are willing to pay foreign money to a country or business to look a giant statue or attraction. You come and buy useless crap that you can probably get at home cheaper. The profit margin is pretty high. Also a good indicator is to watch the non-casual and fine dining restaurants. If places like Sea Zone (not even open) or El Guacho (ask someone in BKK) do bad, so will the entertainment business. That's a solid predictor for entertainment, travel, and tourism. So no use in opening. People want free (beaches and parks) or low cost things to do during this time, not luxury. Sex tourism is a luxury. Think about it, we are part of "the HAVES" not the "Have nots."

The world has its eyes on the USA and Sweden right now because of their approach. If they fail, all hell breaks loose. I think you guys know why. It's the domino effect and the result of our interdependence on each other in this world. The Bretton Woods Agreement and the mighty US Dollar. If I was some of these other countries right now, I would send my best and my brightest or as much as possible to help out the USA from failing. That should have been done in the beginning when it started in China and it should have happened with other issues like starvation in Africa, and the wild fires in Australia. Imagine if the world put Pro -Sports or EDM Festivals on hold, in their respective countries and used that money and resources to wipe out a current crisis 10,000 miles away. We live with a "not in my backyard" mentality, yet we all share the same really big back yard with giant puddles and the same air. This is chaos, when nothing makes sense anymore.

LittleBigMan

05-26-20, 18:22

I'm not sure why you would say this about diversity in government and politics. Because even now we have enough diversity in the world to have sexual freedom in Thailand and some other places too.

So, I can leave my country where this kind of stuff is prohibited and find my freedom in Thailand, at least temporarily and at least enough to satisfy my need for companionship and sex enough not to feel desperate and depressed about it.

Perhaps the word 'freedom' is too general and too abstract to have much meaning. You need to be more specific what freedom exactly you are talking about. Because even in Thailand, people might have sexual freedoms, but their other freedoms might be restricted.

It all depends on what kind of freedom you need, so that you can go to a place where such freedom exists and experience it.My response to you was based on your comment in regards to " I rather have diversity world where various countries and jurisdictions free to arrange their laws the way they like! " just like everything in life no one is going to get everything the way they want!

Your original response was why talk about politics on the Pattaya thread I gave you my answer but based on your latest response and how the tone comes across you might be right for someone who doesn't want to talk about it sure has a lot to say. What I'm starting to find out not only here but if it doesn't come across perfectly they tend to get a bit heated under the collar. In another forum, I read a post it was perfectly innocent basically just an announcement not taking anyone side all of a sudden a guy comes back with a reply accusing the poster of not caring and killing people.

When it comes to politics it seems it is left or right now no in-between it is my way or the highway one can't even express an opinion without someone going over the edge. Yes no more politics here and people talk about freedom?

MonkeyPaw

05-27-20, 00:38

2000 baht ST is kind of risky in times like this. This is what this girl wanted off Tinder, which is noted for having lots of LBs. So I need those with good eyes to help me validate this is a girl before I jump in. She didn't want to give me height and weight. Those hips got me suspicious, but I really can't tell either way.Dove in and paid the 2000. But before I did, I asked, video, and examined the pics with her kid prior to the meet. Very MILFish body with huge tits. The type your would see at a Honey 2. I had her beat my face with those tits for a few minutes. The rest seemed a bit professional and mechanical just like at the soapies, BBBJ was done but she set her own time limit of like 3 minutes. After about 30 minutes of non intense unenthusiastic fucking, I asked for a blowjob finish. She said "no cum in mouth. " She cheated and used her hand more than her mouth. Mainly, I felt she was the type that had a few sponsors, and I was just the sideline guy to make an extra 2000 while telling whoever she's shackling up with that she's out running an errand. Happy she had a pussy, but no repeat.

XXL

05-27-20, 04:27

Dove in and paid the 2000. But before I did, I asked, video, and examined the pics with her kid prior to the meet. Very MILFish body with huge tits. The type your would see at a Honey 2. I had her beat my face with those tits for a few minutes. The rest seemed a bit professional and mechanical just like at the soapies, BBBJ was done but she set her own time limit of like 3 minutes. After about 30 minutes of non intense unenthusiastic fucking, I asked for a blowjob finish. She said "no cum in mouth. " She cheated and used her hand more than her mouth. Mainly, I felt she was the type that had a few sponsors, and I was just the sideline guy to make an extra 2000 while telling whoever she's shackling up with that she's out running an errand. Happy she had a pussy, but no repeat.So no LB after all. However, her lower body must have been below average the way she kept it out of sight on her pics. I am wary of girls who emphasise their tits too much, as it often means tits are their only asset.

MonkeyPaw

05-27-20, 04:33

Oh Fuck it, I'll join in the politics stuff and this will become a politics thread. No more Pattaya info.

So why is Trump such a conceited dickhead? Is he right in reopening America? Not sure if he's a left winger or a right winger? Why doesn't he just play Center?I did try to break it up with the 2000 baht MILF. Maybe it's better to go invade Shane's space in the Thailand pics thread with my Pattaya reviews so they don't get lost.

But to answer your question, who we were previously is pretty irrelevant. We are judged on the following when it comes adversity.

1. What actions or inaction were done to prevent?

2. What actions or inaction were done to prepare?

3. What was the response or non-response and related outcomes?

4. And how much control, influence, or power does one have to do 1-3?

Blaming others is a very weak option. You've seen Hollywood warning about viruses and pandemics for years now with all those movies. But yet? And while you can keep blaming predecessors or others, when you hold the most powerful position in the world, got to ask yourself. If I could go back in time, would I do things the same? If not, then you must admit you made mistakes. I think what most people dislike, is his inability to say "I'm sorry, I'm human, and I make mistakes."

NapaSlapper

05-27-20, 05:10

Dove in and paid the 2000. But before I did, I asked, video, and examined the pics with her kid prior to the meet. Very MILFish body with huge tits. The type your would see at a Honey 2. I had her beat my face with those tits for a few minutes. The rest seemed a bit professional and mechanical just like at the soapies, BBBJ was done but she set her own time limit of like 3 minutes. After about 30 minutes of non intense unenthusiastic fucking, I asked for a blowjob finish. She said "no cum in mouth. " She cheated and used her hand more than her mouth. Mainly, I felt she was the type that had a few sponsors, and I was just the sideline guy to make an extra 2000 while telling whoever she's shackling up with that she's out running an errand. Happy she had a pussy, but no repeat.Looks like a 100% ladyboy to me, the very large hands, large feet, very long arms, square shoulders, and adams apple give the game away for sure.

Maybe you were able to have penetrative sex if this had had a sex change which is quite possible, anyways as long as you enjoyed yourself that's what counts.

MonkeyPaw

05-27-20, 06:39

Is anyone tired of having to sign in and out everywhere you go yet!
SNIPThey say it's to track down Coronavirus infected. But nobody can read the handwriting, fake telephone numbers, and most don't even sign or log out. My guess is that they are tracking consumers spending habits and retail and business costumer visits in order to actually do a contraction. What that means is that for example there are 3 women's clothing store or 3 pharmacies in same area, you track consumers because eventually government has to step in and close some in the future because of the recession. It's how money gets funneled. They can't let the rent and utilities keep on while business owners keep holding out for a miracle trying to keep their shops open. Things get worse that way. They also don't want their bail out money going on luxury items. Just like a bunch of kids being told by parents how to spend their money during times of hardship. But the government does it on the down low and you don't even realize what's going on.

EihTooms

05-27-20, 10:59

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Turgid

05-27-20, 13:33

EihTooms

05-27-20, 14:49

ET, your post is total bullshit. Thanks for polluting this forum once again. You must be getting very worried that the mentally retarded front man for the Democratic Party is going to get himself badly beaten in the next American Election. It must be keeping you up and nights. Why don't you go fuck a nice Thai girl bareback, cum in her mouth, report about THAT in the BKK or Pattaya Reports thread, and go somewhere else with your political rants.

One last time ET, what does this political BS have to do with Pattaya? Jackson moved all political crap to the American Political thread less than a week ago and yet here you go again.

NB.Natty, I was simply replying to another member's post, several of them actually, in keeping with the spirit of things with an alternate possibility for Trump's motives and intentions based in his personal style and record of results, that's all.

Member #4698

05-27-20, 15:01

Natty, I was simply replying to another member's post, several of them actually, in keeping with the spirit of things with an alternate possibility for Trump's motives and intentions based in his personal style and record of results, that's all.Yeah, I know there were a few earlier posts that were in forum violation, but that is no excuse. You and I are adults here. We should set an example with our own postings and not encourage bad behavior. The rule is simple: the Thai threads are for everything Thai related. The American Political thread is for the political junkies left and right to joust.

Member #4698

05-27-20, 15:45

I wonder why admin doesn't just move these posts to those other threads instead of deleting some of them while leaving others where they are.Your guess is as good as mine.

Ass Addict

05-27-20, 17:17

HellvelMan

05-27-20, 18:17

Regular Forum reader. Finally decided to take Signup.

Bangkok Scene started and some girls ready to meet.

From my thinking it is not safe to go ahead now.

How about seniors.

Hellvel.

Nounce

05-27-20, 19:15

Natty, I was simply replying to another member's post, several of them actually, in keeping with the spirit of things with an alternate possibility for Trump's motives and intentions based in his personal style and record of results, that's all.I think I learned something. I can only explain my thinking. I was not thinking about taking side or discussing politics. I was just thinking about it in a deeper context but it got singled out as political post, maybe it is and I don't deny it but that is not my motivation. I think people will read too much into these types of posts.

FWIW, The news report that I saw about the lost of $1. 3 Billion trade preferences is for seafood over worker rights issue. It is easy to find out with google.

XXL

05-28-20, 09:12

This TF girl just stood me up. She has (at least) 2 listings.

Downandup

05-28-20, 09:34

This TF girl just stood me up. She has (at least) 2 listings.The Wanniii22 profile is gone now although the Kwang profile is still there.

XXL

05-28-20, 10:14

The Wanniii22 profile is gone now although the Kwang profile is still there.Then they "work" together. One said the other one was her "sister". I had a fall out some days ago with Kwang. This is really a small world. The pool of girls is smaller than it looks.

Downandup

05-28-20, 11:52

Then they "work" together. One said the other one was her "sister". I had a fall out some days ago with Kwang. This is really a small world. The pool of girls is smaller than it looks.There a number of girls who use multiple profiles as TF admins will close accounts when they post line ID's or other links outside TF. The biggest user of MANY profiles is Noon who it's said has about 30 profiles, and there are complaints that someone helping her is creating more fake profiles using pictures of other TF girls. She has a great reputation but this is going to damage her situation.

Downandup

05-28-20, 12:08

The Wanniii22 profile is gone now although the Kwang profile is still there.I take that back, there's four "I"'s in the profile https://www.thaifriendly.com/Wanniiii22.

MonkeyPaw

05-28-20, 16:15

Looks like a 100% ladyboy to me, the very large hands, large feet, very long arms, square shoulders, and adams apple give the game away for sure.

Maybe you were able to have penetrative sex if this had had a sex change which is quite possible, anyways as long as you enjoyed yourself that's what counts.Maybe. But I would choose and pay this one, over what I have seen some guys have been with any day, and I honestly do mean any day. I always said if I ever got fooled by a post op, she would not be uglier than some of the born females that I have witness some other guys walk hand in hand with. Trust me, everybody knows I have spent enough time in bars and clubs to have seen who sits with whom, and who walks out with whom. Yet, am still waiting to see what some of my fellow brethren have been fucking in Pattaya. But seems like not many want to share any pics or reviews. After all these years, till can't figure out why? Back to the topic of post ops, I asked a hypothetical question to a few unnamed buddies here in Pattaya recently. I asked the following:

Last two humans on Earth: You and choose one.

1. The hottest girl in her prime (Amanda Kerr is Monkeypaw's choice), BUT, truth is she was born male and had a full sex change. OR.

2. Whoopi Goldberg at her current age, who was born female.

Interesting that all said they would choose Whoopi. A few didn't answer and brushed off the hypothetical question. I wonder, if and when, lab created steak is on the menu, the same people will choose to eat the steak that actually comes from a dead cow because, well its "real" meat? Or it's ego? Either way, a great reckoning is coming for those who can't let go of this thing called ego. I'm going to play it safe, and keep going after whatever is "hot" and when the pieces fit. And in case you wonder, I don't eat meat, so the second part doesn't apply to me.

Mombie75

05-28-20, 19:39

MonkeyPaw

05-29-20, 05:20

New seafood booth opened at Treetown. Advertised seafood tom yum noodles for 69 baht. Thought I check it out. Instead of what was pictured, got me a piping hot bowl of 7-11 packaged ramen noodles with a mussel, a shrimp, and squid ring. Broth was also from the seasoning packet for the 7-11 ramen. Asked about the 1/2 egg, in the photo. Told that it would be an extra 15 baht. I did get free napkins, but next time I would prefer some free lube instead. SMH.

MonkeyPaw

05-29-20, 06:05

You are not doing anything wrong, just seeing reality.

What is actually left in Pattaya? A load of old drug addicted homeless girls lining soi bukhao hoping someone is desperate enough to actually want to pay them.

As for online, very few girls that are willing to come over during covid 19 and those that are willing are the bottom of the barrel desperados.

Photo shop is indeed a wonderful invention for those that want smoke and mirrors to impress their fellow mongers.If we are talking about mongering. The Phillipines will lose almost every time to those who have been to both Pattaya and Angeles. Pattaya in its worse days, which is now, will kick Angeles City's ass in its best days. Any doubters? Because I don't see the reviews and pics posted on the AC side.

Anyways, here is another bottom of the barrel girl for you in Pattaya right now.

1000 GFE, non stop BBBJ until you tell her to, with CIM finish. Lean and perky everything, especially the tits on this 20 year old. Formerly of Nature Bar Soi 6, part of the NightWish Group. I've seen more Soi 6 girls off ThaiFriendly this trip, then I have done in all previous 9 years. She initially threw at 1000-1500, and gave MP the 1000 deal. Guess it pays to be 1-1-1 rather than 0-0-0.

Jwdub

05-29-20, 07:13

Pattaya beach getting the go ahead to re-open June 1st.

https://thepattayanews.com/2020/05/29/pattaya-city-mayor-says-pattaya-area-beaches-to-reopen-for-all-activities-on-june-first/?fbclid=IwAR2QMSV9vPrcNjCTfb2sm4MbYl-7BOPtDaw71k00uwJkU6jPzwwqQXYthA4

GettingFedUp

05-29-20, 08:10

The chief of Thailand's National Security Council announced today that Thailand has set July 1 for the end of all "business and activity lockdowns" ordered to cope with the*Covid-19*crisis, include provincial and international travel. The announcement also included the end of the*Emergency Decree*and curfews.

Hopefully I will get a holiday in Mid July or at least August.That depends on July or August of which year? Pattaya News published a piece on what was actually said (as opposed to what has been "reported" on social media, etc.) and what it means in practice.

https://thepattayanews.com/2020/05/29/fact-check-is-thailand-open-to-all-international-tourists-starting-july-first/

The gist is that whilst international travel may open up from 1 July, it will only be for work permit holders. There has been no indication of relaxation of other restrictions at that time. The view is that 14 days quarantine (at the travellers expense, and must be at a state approved facilty not self isolation), requirement for USD100 k insurance cover for COVID, etc will remain in place in the medium term. The article expresses the view that it will be "mid fall" before things get easier.

I have read elsewhere that the Government is conscious of foreigners stranded overseas who are married to Thais and ordinarily live here. However, it emphasised that until stranded Thais had all been repatriated, which is not happening quickly due to quarantine availability, they would have to wait. This piece (can't track it down just at the minute) also bracketed holders of Residence Permits with Work Permit Holders as the next priority. Note that visas for marriage, retirement, etc are not Residence Permits.

MonkeyPaw

05-29-20, 08:37

That depends on July or August of which year? Pattaya News published a piece on what was actually said (as opposed to what has been "reported" on social media, etc.) and what it means in practice.

https://thepattayanews.com/2020/05/29/fact-check-is-thailand-open-to-all-international-tourists-starting-july-first/

The gist is that whilst international travel may open up from 1 July, it will only be for work permit holders. There has been no indication of relaxation of other restrictions at that time. The view is that 14 days quarantine (at the travellers expense, and must be at a state approved facilty not self isolation), requirement for USD100 k insurance cover for COVID, etc will remain in place in the medium term. The article expresses the view that it will be "mid fall" before things get easier.

I have read elsewhere that the Government is conscious of foreigners stranded overseas who are married to Thais and ordinarily live here. However, it emphasised that until stranded Thais had all been repatriated, which is not happening quickly due to quarantine availability, they would have to wait. This piece (can't track it down just at the minute) also bracketed holders of Residence Permits with Work Permit Holders as the next priority. Note that visas for marriage, retirement, etc are not Residence Permits.Good information. Somehow many folks are acting like a world wide crisis is not taking place. Am I the only one watching tie news?

Gilolo

05-29-20, 18:14

Hi guys,

Like many of us, I'd love to go Thailand on 1 July and go Cambodia too. But right now, with the news, they say Prime minister of Thailand will not open the borders before fourth trimestry! So it means probably not before October. Do you really believe that or not?

Do you think we'll be lucky to go Thailand and Cambodia this summer? Or we can forget?

If it's not possible I was thinking to go PH, like Angeles! I never go there. Because they say on TV, Philippines will open its borders on July 15. Do you think it's true?

If yes, do you know if it's same like Pattaya to go to Angeles? Are the working girls sexy and good? Do the working girls accept easily BBFS, bareback and CIP in Ph? Is it same price like in Thailand or Cambodia.

Danny Duck

05-29-20, 23:04

Gilolo

05-30-20, 12:02

If we are talking about mongering. The Phillipines will lose almost every time to those who have been to both Pattaya and Angeles. Pattaya in its worse days, which is now, will kick Angeles City's ass in its best days. Any doubters? Because I don't see the reviews and pics posted on the AC side.

Anyways, here is another bottom of the barrel girl for you in Pattaya right now.

1000 GFE, non stop BBBJ until you tell her to, with CIM finish. Lean and perky everything, especially the tits on this 20 year old. Formerly of Nature Bar Soi 6, part of the NightWish Group. I've seen more Soi 6 girls off ThaiFriendly this trip, then I have done in all previous 9 years. She initially threw at 1000-1500, and gave MP the 1000 deal. Guess it pays to be 1-1-1 rather than 0-0-0.Yes I know this lady! I already fuck her before in soi 6 and she accepts BBFS all time.

Turgid

05-30-20, 15:46

Maybe. But I would choose and pay this one, over what I have seen some guys have been with any day, and I honestly do mean any day. I always said if I ever got fooled by a post op, she would not be uglier than some of the born females that I have witness some other guys walk hand in hand with..........I would never ever knowingly go with a post-op; that's a man; end of story.

MonkeyPaw

05-30-20, 16:45

Yes I know this lady! I already fuck her before in soi 6 and she accepts BBFS all time.Another Eskimo buddy. Keep them coming. Thanks again for reminding me why I use condoms by the way. Have another 1000 meeting with her again this week. Fun girl and not a clock watcher. Been here 79 days and only 62 girls, but think at least half previously worked Soi 6. Seriously, I've never done so many Soi 6 girls ever. It's nice not to be known amongst this group unlike the Walking Street group. Had a chick who was sitting with me and Mr. E, told me that she knew me from the Candy Shop in WS. Never seen her in my life. Didn't think I was that recognizable.

MonkeyPaw

05-30-20, 17:57

I would never ever knowingly go with a post-op; that's a man; end of story.So what you are saying is that in my hypothetical scenario, you would choose a 65 year old dreadlock hair woman (who is also very unattractive IMHO), and also who looks like a man, but was born female. Instead of a 25 year old Victoria Secret model who looks very feminine with a full sex change, but was born male? Hey, more power to you. I guess we all have our heaven and our Hell.

MonkeyPaw

05-31-20, 10:09

Met her off TF. Last week she threw 1500 and I didn't bite. Tried again and was told 1000-1500. Set up a meeting after she sent me her LINE. Yet on LINE she didn't know who I was and asked for pics. Asked me how much I was going to pay even though on TF we agreed to 1000. Once again we agreed on same amount plus taxi. After confirming night before and in the morning and 1 hour before. Nothing. 20 minutes of lateness, I messaged her and was told she is putting on make up. Waited 15 more minutes and the as told she was looking for taxi. Like Soi Bongkot is in the boondocks or something. I respectfully told her another day because I called another girl and was greeted with a "fuck you. " What was fishy was the day before I confirmed and double checked her BMI and weight on TF again. Her profile was gone. Maybe she hid it from me. So block by my choice. Instead of of a crazy inconsiderate hooker, I enjoyed myself with homemade mango and coconut sticky rice with vanilla ice cream. I had a quick appetizer of wasted cherry Kamagra gel just before. Some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered.

Question is: How patient are you for an appointment? For me it depends on if the girl kept communicating or if I had to chase her. Plus if I think she's worth the wait, but typically 20-30 minutes is my max.

Member #4698

05-31-20, 14:53

So what you are saying is that in my hypothetical scenario, you would choose a 65 year old dreadlock hair woman (who is also very unattractive IMHO), and also who looks like a man, but was born female. Instead of a 25 year old Victoria Secret model who looks very feminine with a full sex change, but was born male? Hey, more power to you. I guess we all have our heaven and our Hell.I gather what you are saying in effect is if you find a girl attractive, barfine her, make out with her, get blown by her, and then discover she has a dick or is a postie it doesn't matter ie just go with it, have a good time and don't beat yourself up over it later. And surprise surprise, I agree! Ha Ha. Although I will note that I have never been fooled and I am always amazed when I see the pics of some of the ladyboys that have "fooled" certain guys. I mean I have always noticed something was not kosher way before the kissing/barfine stage. That something is a turn off for me not her birth status. So theoretically I am saying it might be possible for me to do a beautiful "25 year old Victoria Secret model" ladyboy, but highly unlikely because I do not believe one exists that could pass my radar. A more on point example would be the pics of a few very famous Thai fashion / actress ladyboys. In some of these pics the "girls" look absolutely amazing and they would fool me completely if I did not have pre knowledge of who / what they were, but pics by themselves can be very misleading. In real life, sitting close to one of these Thai super model / actress ladyboys I still think I would not be fooled, that I WOULD notice something was not quite kosher about my new acquaintance and I would cut the interview off in a friendly, polite, way. But again, if I saw nothing amiss, everything looked really good to me, really natural, then I'd go for it and have no regrets later. Theoretically speaking. 555.

Allover

05-31-20, 19:59

In real life, as Natty says, you would get more clues as to whether a lady boy or not. Hard to tell by pictures. I'm sure I've walked away from some hot real girls because I just wasn't sure. Want some practice? Check out this video. I got them all right but watched the 'girls" a few times before deciding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=End2IqA5e1A

Turgid

05-31-20, 21:16

Beijing4987

05-31-20, 21:26

Please review the forum guidelines regarding Transvestites / Ladyboys / Shemales.

HorseTrader

05-31-20, 23:12

Question is: How patient are you for an appointment? For me it depends on if the girl kept communicating or if I had to chase her. Plus if I think she's worth the wait, but typically 20-30 minutes is my max.If we are meeting near her place, I'll give about 10 minutes before I send a message that says "You weren't here so I left. Maybe we can get together on another day."

When meeting near my place, I do it a little different than most people. I might set an appointment at 9:00 PM, but I will immediately tell them that if they aren't there at 9:30, I will no longer be available. Sometimes I'm strict with that rule, other times I'm a bit lax. It depends on the girl's attitude. If I hear nothing from her until 9:30 PM, I'll probably block her and look elsewhere. If they have a better attitude, I'll wait longer. For example, this March I was in my Sukhumvit Soi 11 hotel waiting for a Nana go-go girl and starting at about 9:00 she texted me showing her location (on BTS but far from my stop). 10 minutes later she sent another text location (on BTS, closer to my stop). At about 9:30 she texted me with her location (at my BTS stop). She walked in my hotel lobby at 9:40. I was fine with that and I had a very good session.

I also never make firm plans on a prior day. On Tuesday I might say "maybe we will get together on Wednesday". Of course, they want a firm commitment from me, but that doesn't mean that they will show up as planned. I learned that lesson years ago.

EihTooms

06-01-20, 02:54

...
I also never make firm plans on a prior day. On Tuesday I might say "maybe we will get together on Wednesday". Of course, they want a firm commitment from me, but that doesn't mean that they will show up as planned. I learned that lesson years ago.I am with you on those general wait time rules of thumb.

And on the firm commitment to meet the day before issue, it almost never fails that a fresh, new, more interesting offer will come along for me the day OF that prior firm commitment. It is as though they have psychic communication with each other on all my appointments and time schedules and do whatever it takes to confound them.

So now I will only make a prior commitment with the most loyal and rewarding repeats. And I will sometimes do that just to stir up like magic one of those fresh, new offers. LOL. Which it does trigger more often than not.

Mr Enternational

06-01-20, 03:07

I also never make firm plans on a prior day. On Tuesday I might say "maybe we will get together on Wednesday". Of course, they want a firm commitment from me, but that doesn't mean that they will show up as planned. I learned that lesson years ago.Exactly. I just tell them soon. This is Pattaya. I don't know what I will be doing tomorrow and fooling with these chicks is like herding cats; especially when the bars and discos are open. I just hit them up 30 minutes before I want them to come and ask what they are doing. If they say nothing then I say come see me. I am not a planned fucker. I have no idea if I am going to want to fuck tomorrow at 3 pm. I prefer spur of the moment or very short notice.

XXL

06-01-20, 05:48

With age planning becomes essential.

There's the Sildenafil that needs to be taken on an empty stomach. It kicks in within 45 minutes, peaks within 90 minutes and starts tapering off within 120 minutes. There's the caffein jab to be taken right before sex.

There are testosterone circadian rythms.

Unpredictability becomes a killer.

While I'm writing this around noon, a girl who promised to message me as soon as she woke up still hasn't done so. For her to come at 2pm right after lunch I need to pop the Sildenafil at 12:45, a quarter of an hour before I have lunch. If I take the stuff after lunch it will not work.

Such predicaments can make repeating with a girl attractive compared to struggling to lure in a new one. Repeat girls are usually reliable.

MonkeyPaw

06-01-20, 05:59

I gather what you are saying in effect is if you find a girl attractive, barfine her, make out with her, get blown by her, and then discover she has a dick or is a postie it doesn't matter ie just go with it, have a good time and don't beat yourself up over it later. And surprise surprise, I agree! Ha Ha. Although I will note that I have never been fooled and I am always amazed when I see the pics of some of the ladyboys that have "fooled" certain guys. I mean I have always noticed something was not kosher way before the kissing/barfine stage. That something is a turn off for me not her birth status. So theoretically I am saying it might be possible for me to do a beautiful "25 year old Victoria Secret model" ladyboy, but highly unlikely because I do not believe one exists that could pass my radar. A more on point example would be the pics of a few very famous Thai fashion / actress ladyboys. In some of these pics the "girls" look absolutely amazing and they would fool me completely if I did not have pre knowledge of who / what they were, but pics by themselves can be very misleading. In real life, sitting close to one of these Thai super model / actress ladyboys I still think I would not be fooled, that I WOULD notice something was not quite kosher about my new acquaintance and I would cut the interview off in a friendly, polite, way. But again, if I saw nothing amiss, everything looked really good to me, really natural, then I'd go for it and have no regrets later. Theoretically speaking. 555.Not quite because I was talking in lines of a post op, and not trans with dicks. This was brought up when in one of my reviews which I posted some pics, somebody commented about being a possible post op. To which I replied, if it was, I'm okay with that because I did all I can to screen beforehand to make sure there was no pre-op and dick surprise. That would be the real deal killer for me because of bait and switch. The girl had a pussy and it felt normal to me. Then the conversation switched to post-op and hot looking or born female and ugly, which is preferred if those were only choices left? Somebody, is pretty adamant about refusing to ever be with anything, even though beautiful and had pussy, just because it was born male. So my assumption is that person will choose the ugly just because it was born female. I find that strange. My motto is stick with beauty and if the pieces fit, even better. So one more time. Last two humans on Earth, somebody already said he would not choose the blonde because she wasn't born female. So by default he gets the red head with glasses. I'm sticking with the Canadian beauty pageant model and cross my fingers that she had a sex change, which I think she completed way before she competed in Thailand.

MonkeyPaw

06-01-20, 06:18

So after being sorta stood up by the fishy as fuck chick. I called for plan a back plan to come over off ThaiFriendly. She previously worked at Soi 6 and was paid 1500. Cute small petite. Service was on par with GFE as my back up plan spent about 45 minutes backing up on my dick, while bent face down, and ass up. When I was about to nut, I was able to pull off the condom and jizz all over her ass. She reminds me of a VN girl I used to bang before her nose job. BB and Racshack met her and her husband during TET last year I think. Remember the lion dance? Maybe one of them can confirm the similar looks. Remember I said before nose job.

Goatscrot

06-01-20, 07:09

With age planning becomes essential.

There's the Sildenafil that needs to be taken on an empty stomach. It kicks in within 45 minutes, peaks within 90 minutes and starts tapering off within 120 minutes. There's the caffein jab to be taken right before sex.

There are testosterone circadian rythms.

Unpredictability becomes a killer.

While I'm writing this around noon, a girl who promised to message me as soon as she woke up still hasn't done so. For her to come at 2pm right after lunch I need to pop the Sildenafil at 12:45, a quarter of an hour before I have lunch. If I take the stuff after lunch it will not work.

Such predicaments can make repeating with a girl attractive compared to struggling to lure in a new one. Repeat girls are usually reliable.Dissolve it under your tongue. It hits you much faster.

Crocodilexp

06-01-20, 07:19

With age planning becomes essential.

There's the Sildenafil that needs to be taken on an empty stomach. It kicks in within 45 minutes, peaks within 90 minutes and starts tapering off within 120 minutes. There's the caffein jab to be taken right before sex.

Good point, I can no longer just pick up a chick and shag her immediately, need to plan for that 40 minute minimum head-start before V kicks in.

One thing I haven't figured out is how long after food to take the V in order for it to still be effective.

Nounce

06-01-20, 07:23

Good point, I can no longer just pick up a chick and shag her immediately, need to plan for that 40 minute minimum head-start before V kicks in.

One thing I haven't figured out is how long after food to take the V in order for it to still be effective.Have you tried Kamagra gel. It is faster.

BackpackBrian

06-01-20, 07:56

I see lots of videos on Youtube with Russian girls standing on walking streets trying to lure guys into the bars.

Are these Russian women scams or can you bar fine them?

If they are for short time sessions, are they more than the Thai girls and how much?

Turgid

06-01-20, 10:10

Mr Enternational

06-01-20, 10:15

1 million massage shops are back open without a customer in sight.

In other news, the hookers have moved back to the beach side of Beach Road.

LittleBigMan

06-01-20, 10:26

1 million massage shops are back open without a customer in sight.

In other news, the hookers have moved back to the beach side of Beach Road.Yep, that is how I found the new Mexican restaurant called Senor Taco, and suggested to you. While I was waiting for my order of baby back ribs at another place I did a quick cruise. I did notice a number of massage shop opening even on Soi Pothole one of my favorites is AG which before they closed had a number of young cuties but the one that usually attends to my needs was still gone.

Goatscrot

06-01-20, 10:31

Have you tried Kamagra gel. It is faster.The gel really gives me indigestion.

XXL

06-01-20, 11:30

One thing I haven't figured out is how long after food to take the V in order for it to still be effective.There is no standard latency after a meal. It depends on how long your stomach keeps food sloshing around and that can be longer than you think. When I go swimming my stomach rewards me with all the burping it can generate. Sometimes I would hit the water and I would start burping my breakfast or lunch that ended 3-4 hours before and which I thought would be long gone. No heart burn, no feeling of heavy digestion, but all the same part of the food was still there.

I plan so as to take V before a meal. Obviously this involves planning the sex for right after the meal. I have noticed taking it very close to a meal, as close as 10 minutes, was ok as long as it was BEFORE the meal.

I don't believe much of the gel enters your system through the mucosa. I have tried mouthing a whole 100 MG dose for as long as I could before spitting it out (instead of gulping it down). For what I could tell no more than 10% of the stuff got into my bloodstream. If sublingual sildenafil really worked that well, wouldn't some patented brand be on the market? Just asking. There are only a few half-assed research papers on the administration of sildenafil through the mucosa.

Of course if you chew on the awful-tasting V tablet you probably win some 5 or 10 minutes it would take the stomach to dissolve it when swallowed whole.

NapaSlapper

06-01-20, 12:38

If we are talking about mongering. The Phillipines will lose almost every time to those who have been to both Pattaya and Angeles. Pattaya in its worse days, which is now, will kick Angeles City's ass in its best days. Any doubters? Because I don't see the reviews and pics posted on the AC side.

Anyways, here is another bottom of the barrel girl for you in Pattaya right now.

1000 GFE, non stop BBBJ until you tell her to, with CIM finish. Lean and perky everything, especially the tits on this 20 year old. Formerly of Nature Bar Soi 6, part of the NightWish Group. I've seen more Soi 6 girls off ThaiFriendly this trip, then I have done in all previous 9 years. She initially threw at 1000-1500, and gave MP the 1000 deal. Guess it pays to be 1-1-1 rather than 0-0-0.Not sure why you are calling these girls? They are clearly not, hence why in the 1st picture he has his hand over his bulge, maybe drinking a little less will have you choosing more carefully.

Have to agree that the girls that are actually girls in Pattaya are far cuter than anything that is on offer in Angeles city.

NapaSlapper

06-01-20, 12:57

HorseTrader

06-01-20, 18:24

With age planning becomes essential.

There's the Sildenafil that needs to be taken on an empty stomach. It kicks in within 45 minutes, peaks within 90 minutes and starts tapering off within 120 minutes. There's the caffein jab to be taken right before sex.My experience with Sildenafil is similar, but I think the particulars vary for different people, here are my personal observations.

* Must take on empty stomach. 2 hours after a full meal is too soon. When taken on full stomach the effectiveness is delayed and lessened, maybe eliminated.

* It still works well if I take it only 10 minutes before a meal.

* Kick in for me is at about 60 minutes and maximum effectiveness is about 2 to 4 hours. I realize this is much longer delay for me than what other people report.

* Effect for me lingers to 24 hours. Not strong beyond the 12 hour mark. This is longer for me than many people report.

* I can't chew or melt under tongue, the taste is too terrible.

* Mexican and USA available generic Sildenafil works the same for me as real Viagra. I've had problems with Kamagra gel, sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, often gives worse headache than Viagra. I think Kamagra has quality control problems.

On a related note, Cialis works for me, but the nasty side effects last too long so I don't use it. I've tried Levitra a few times and it simply didn't work for me.

Getting old sucks, but it sure beats the alternative.

Member #4698

06-01-20, 20:10

Everybody has different health conditions and therefor will have slightly different experiences in using these drugs. That's why we should all experiment with each medication both in quantity and timing to see what works best for us individually. And this initial sampling should probably be done under your Doctor's supervision or at least with his knowledge.

After sampling Cialis and Viagra I found that I preferred Vitamin V (Sildenafil) despite it's short time limitations because it always got me rock hard. I found that after 18 months use Cialis was not always as reliable as it was in the beginning when I 1st started using it. But that is just my experience.

I have now been using Viagra &/or Sildenafil (generic) bought over the counter in BKK, Jakarta, MNL pharmacies and in the USA with a prescription for approximately 4 years now. Viagra USA and the scripted American generic seems to work best for me, but the difference is very minor. The American generic scripted medication is now the cheapest.

Regardless of whether I take a sexual enhancement or not, I prefer sex on an empty stomach because I have more energy. Eating slows me down and I get lazy on a full stomach. So I always tell my girls, 1st we boom boom and then we eat.

On an empty stomach Sildenafil starts to work for me in as little as 20 minutes. I feel that little tingle around the eyes and I know I am getting off. LOL.

I always take 2 Tylenol 500 MG tablets with the Sildenafil to avoid any unpleasant headaches that might otherwise occur. I never had any bad side effects with Cialis, but like I said, I consider Sildenafil the better, more dependable product.

Like HorseTrader, I find that the effects of Vitamin V can last up to 24 hours. My doctor told me that this indicates I have a mild case of erectile dysfunction. Anyway. it is very good to know that I will still have power in the morning when I have a girl spend the night at my place. On those nights I will take 100mg dose just to be sure. But on those days when I am planning on doing a 2 fer ie have a girl in the afternoon and then another girl in the evening, I will take half a pill (50 MG) 20 minutes before I meet up with the afternoon girl and half a pill (50 MG) later in the evening right before I walk into a Go Go, bar or club. I have never had a problem either way.

Lastly, I usually like to have a shot or two of Tequila with my girl if she is up to it. If she is not - no problem, but I never indulge in booze solo. I can't say I ever experienced having any negative effects performance wise from vitamin V while having 4 or even 5 or 6 shots of Tequila apart from getting a little sloppy & wild, but since my girls are in the same state whenever this happens, it always been a lot of fun. hehehe.

Getting old sucks, but it sure beats the alternative.Amen to that, Brother!

MonkeyPaw

06-02-20, 02:00

Not sure why you are calling these girls? They are clearly not, hence why in the 1st picture he has his hand over his bulge, maybe drinking a little less will have you choosing more carefully.

Have to agree that the girls that are actually girls in Pattaya are far cuter than anything that is on offer in Angeles city.Somebody who honestly think they "clearly" see a bulge, needs to get those eyes checked because that could be the reason why they have been selecting the poor quality chicks all along. I guess by their intuitive rationale and expertise, it's the same reason she has the purse over her crotch in the other pic. She must be covering up something. You can always contact Brian and the Nightwish Group and ask them why are they employing "ladyboys" at Nature Bar on Soi 6? The pic is from them, not me. But do us all a favor and save yourself and me, the embarrassment because I think that group does advertise on this forum. And by the way, I don't drink at all. It's bad for weight gain. I keep my BMI at a very healthy 22.2. Any other questions before you go back to the Angeles City forum?

MonkeyPaw

06-02-20, 03:09

So I frequent Walking Street GoGo bars a lot. But normally it's just the real popular bars. I've never heard of Dolls. Anybody can tell me about this chick I connected with on ThaiFriendly? She wants 3.000 for short time. Which means I have to skip a day of fun because my budget is only 2500 a day, in order to pay her what she wants. Big change from dropping 15-30,000 baht a day from a few years ago. But I'm trying hard to fit in with the people during these harsh times. They struggle, I sorta struggle. Anyways, hopefully a few for the same tastes as me and has the 411 on her before I commit to 3,000.

Mr Enternational

06-02-20, 05:13

Just because a male has a sex change does not make him female, his DNA will always be male, therefore one would be fucking a male, end of story.That is what I said. My first priority for fucking is to do it with a person that has XX sex chromosomes; that means female. I have no desire to fuck a person with XY sex chromosomes simply because they look like a person with XX sex chromosomes due to having their hair long and makeup on, regardless of whether he has had his dick flipped outside in.

Most guys that chop their dicks off end up killing themselves anyway. Shame that they have to go that far to realize they will NEVER be a female. And 99% of them would never be able to fool someone into believing that they are female in the first place.

Rambo95

06-02-20, 06:38

NapaSlapper

06-02-20, 08:21

For the Pattaya newbies who are worried about not being able to tell the real girls from the ladyboys (males in dresses) here's some pointers to keep one safe.

Choose to stay in a slightly better hotel that has security and a 24 hour reception.

On first arrival to your hotel give a small tip to your hotel security guard or receptionist and ask them to kindly check the ID cards of all your guests as to whether they are in fact real ids, whether they are of correct age and most importantly whether they are male or female and to inform you of such before heading to the room.

Male ids will always state that the person is a male, even if sex changed the male always stays on a Thai ID card it cannot be changed to female.

I hope that helps a little bit, thanks.

Cool

06-02-20, 13:05

NapaSlapper

06-02-20, 15:23

Somebody who honestly think they "clearly" see a bulge, needs to get those eyes checked because that could be the reason why they have been selecting the poor quality chicks all along. I guess by their intuitive rationale and expertise, it's the same reason she has the purse over her crotch in the other pic. She must be covering up something. You can always contact Brian and the Nightwish Group and ask them why are they employing "ladyboys" at Nature Bar on Soi 6? The pic is from them, not me. But do us all a favor and save yourself and me, the embarrassment because I think that group does advertise on this forum. And by the way, I don't drink at all. It's bad for weight gain. I keep my BMI at a very healthy 22.2. Any other questions before you go back to the Angeles City forum?Think you will find that there are ladyboys working in most Pattaya city bars including soi 6,and I am sure brian has not fucked all the hundreds of people he employs to know whether they are male, sex change or female.

Maybe reading what I actually said about hand covering the crotch as not to show before claiming one should have their eyes checked.

You obviously like men in dresses by the multiple photos of such you have posted recently, nothing to be ashamed of just admit it to yourself and stop trying to convince other board members that you are scoring hot chicks when in fact you are scoring hot males, sorry if my pointing out these facts to you has got you all upset and defensive I mean no ill feelings just pointing out facts.

Lefeu

06-02-20, 20:30

For the Pattaya newbies who are worried about not being able to tell the real girls from the ladyboys (males in dresses) here's some pointers to keep one safe.

...On first arrival to your hotel give a small tip to your hotel security guard or receptionist and ask them to kindly check the ID cards of all your guests as to whether they are in fact real ids, whether they are of correct age and most importantly whether they are male or female and to inform you of such before heading to the room...Very good advice. I have done that in the past on occasions, even though I am extra careful in ensuring that the chick I am with is a female. Thanks.

YyzTravel

06-02-20, 22:29

Everybody has different health conditions and therefor will have slightly different experiences in using these drugs. That's why we should all experiment with each medication both in quantity and timing to see what works best for us individually. And this initial sampling should probably be done under your Doctor's supervision or at least with his knowledge.

After sampling Cialis and Viagra I found that I preferred Vitamin V (Sildenafil) despite it's short time limitations because it always got me rock hard. I found that after 18 months use Cialis was not always as reliable as it was in the beginning when I 1st started using it. But that is just my experience.

I have now been using Viagra &/or Sildenafil (generic) bought over the counter in BKK, Jakarta, MNL pharmacies and in the USA with a prescription for approximately 4 years now. Viagra USA and the scripted American generic seems to work best for me, but the difference is very minor. The American generic scripted medication is now the cheapest.

Regardless of whether I take a sexual enhancement or not, I prefer sex on an empty stomach because I have more energy. Eating slows me down and I get lazy on a full stomach. So I always tell my girls, 1st we boom boom and then we eat.

On an empty stomach Sildenafil starts to work for me in as little as 20 minutes. I feel that little tingle around the eyes and I know I am getting off. LOL..Generic 100 MG Viagra is as cheap as 40 cents per pill here in the South East USA. I find if I don't end up fucking after I take one, I get a giant headache. I don't need the 100 mgs, but the nice part about them is I can blow a load and stay hard and keep fucking. Have never been able to do that before, but this shit is a miracle drug. Plus, I love the look on the girls face when you blow a load and then keep going to give them another.

My problem here is that Whiskey Dick is a very very real thing. No idea, but even a single shot of whiskey just makes the commander not want to go to battle. When I'm on the prowl, I stick with beer and vodka, or if the girl is drinking it, Tequila. I love when girls want shots, it's a nice fine line getting with girls who are a little tipsy.

EddieLima

06-02-20, 23:13

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LittleBigMan

06-03-20, 02:17

Think you will find that there are ladyboys working in most Pattaya city bars including soi 6,and I am sure brian has not fucked all the hundreds of people he employs to know whether they are male, sex change or female.

Maybe reading what I actually said about hand covering the crotch as not to show before claiming one should have their eyes checked.

You obviously like men in dresses by the multiple photos of such you have posted recently, nothing to be ashamed of just admit it to yourself and stop trying to convince other board members that you are scoring hot chicks when in fact you are scoring hot males, sorry if my pointing out these facts to you has got you all upset and defensive I mean no ill feelings just pointing out facts.Come on? This isn't fact it is just your opinion! I don't need to defend M. P. I think from his posting he can do it himself. When it comes to Brian, ever consider he is a closet homo reason he doesn't care to check would that be consider fact?

Member #4698

06-03-20, 03:02

Napa, so we are talking about this girl from one of the Nightwish bars? Honestly, I don't see the tell. I think she looks pretty top of the line for a soi 6 bar girl. Now I wouldn't stake my life on one small pic, pics can deceive, but unless you have contrary personal knowledge of her, I suggest you let it go. MP says she is a girl girl and I am assuming he does have personal knowledge, so there is really not much more to say; he likes the way the girl looks, you don't and tastes vary. But if you want to go to Soi 6 and conduct your own research, go for it. I will look forward to reading your report.

P.S. I was under the impression that all the Nightwish bars were LB free. Is this not the case anymore? See the attached color coded Soi 6 map.

Allover

06-03-20, 03:03

You obviously like men in dresses by the multiple photos of such you have posted recently, nothing to be ashamed of just admit it to yourself and stop trying to convince other board members that you are scoring hot chicks when in fact you are scoring hot males, sorry if my pointing out these facts to you has got you all upset and defensive I mean no ill feelings just pointing out facts.Give us a break.

NapaSlapper

06-03-20, 03:11

Come on? This isn't fact it is just your opinion! I don't need to defend M. P. I think from his posting he can do it himself. When it comes to Brian, ever consider he is a closet homo reason he doesn't care to check would that be consider fact?Why are you so sure that my comments are not facts, why are you so sure that I do not actually know some of the males MP has chosen to try to pass off as girls.

NapaSlapper

06-03-20, 03:23

Napa, so we are talking about this girl from one of the Nightwish bars? Honestly, I don't see the tell and I think she looks top of the line for a soi 6 bar girl. Now I wouldn't stake my life on one small pic, pics can deceive, but unless you have personal knowledge of her, I suggest you let it go. MP says she is a girl girl and I am assuming he does have personal knowledge, so there is really not much more to say; he liked the way the girl looks, you don't ... tastes vary. But if you want to go to Soi 6 and conduct your own research, go for it.

P.S. I was under the impression that all the Nightwish bars were LB free. Is this not the case anymore? See the attached color coded Soi 6 map.What does getting a blow job or fucking have to do with proof of sexuality?

Ever heard of a male having a sex change? So very possible to have sex with a male that has a pussy would you not say?

Nounce

06-03-20, 07:33

Very good advice. I have done that in the past on occasions, even though I am extra careful in ensuring that the chick I am with is a female. Thanks.There is no need to tip anyone. The person you tip may not be the person who is on duty. If you are not sure, just call the receptionist to check the gender while the girl is in the shower.

Most of them are tall by Thai male standard. Some models in the commercial are close to 6 ft tall. You simply don't see many Thai females that size. If you are not sure you need to get up and close to get a feel, it is hard to miss. If you go to a mixed bar, if the girl is too pretty, tall, and too easy, it is likely the girls is not a she.

Nounce

06-03-20, 07:46

Honestly, I don't see the tell.I think the tell according to Napa is the way she position her hand to hide the "bulge". I don't think about checking that. That is way underestimating their ability. Any reasonable monger will not post so many female pictures knowing they are not. It just does not make common sense.

Mr Enternational

06-03-20, 09:50

There is no need to tip anyone. The person you tip may not be the person who is on duty. If you are not sure, just call the receptionist to check the gender while the girl is in the shower.You guys are overthinking it. Why not just ask before it even gets that far? Most are even going to tell you if you do not ask.

Nounce

06-03-20, 10:05

You guys are overthinking it. Why not just ask before it even gets that far? Most are even going to tell you if you do not ask.Because the post-op usually will not admit it.

Mr Enternational

06-03-20, 11:09

Because the post-op usually will not admit it.But the same way you asked someone else to check the ID, you could have just checked it yourself. Not understanding how you guys are making something so easy out to be so complicated. You bring a mf no telling how far to your room. You pay a tip to the doorman. You let the mf have a couple of drinks then get undressed to get in the shower. Then you call all around town to find out if the person in your shower is a guy or girl.

What is wrong with saying hello my name is such and such. I like you. Let me see your ID an hour and a half ago? All this secret squirrel super sleuth spy sliding satang shit is ridiculous.

After calling all over Thailand and finding out it is really a dude, what is your next move once he gets out of the shower?

Gargano19

06-03-20, 11:49

But the same way you asked someone else to check the ID, you could have just checked it yourself. Not understanding how you guys are making something so easy out to be so complicated. You bring a mf no telling how far to your room. You pay a tip to the doorman. You let the mf have a couple of drinks then get undressed to get in the shower. Then you call all around town to find out if the person in your shower is a guy or girl.

What is wrong with saying hello my name is such and such. I like you. Let me see your ID an hour and a half ago? All this secret squirrel super sleuth spy sliding satang shit is ridiculous.

After calling all over Thailand and finding out it is really a dude, what is your next move once he gets out of the shower?Agreed, seeing ID is the best way. If "girl" don't show it, no need to ask her to come. I can see use of paying hotel guy approach too, but not so affecting as previous one. But checking it while the person in question is in shower is weird. Also LBs are known to be aggressive and last thing I would want is him throwing a fit in room.

Crocodilexp

06-03-20, 12:13

You guys are overthinking it. Why not just ask before it even gets that far? Most are even going to tell you if you do not ask.Exactly. A ladyboy will almost always tell you outright if you ask, they have little to gain and much to lose by concealing it. Ending up in a room with a physically bigger homophobic Farang flying into a rage at sight of a male appendage is not a recipe for a good time.

Moreover, what's the big deal? If you're attracted to someone, go with them and enjoy. You won't be the first guy in Pattaya who did stuff he wouldn't be too proud to announce to friends and family back home. Similarly, if you're strongly repulsed by the idea of going with a ladyboy, and you suspect the person in front of you is one, you don't need a 100% verification whether they are or not to call off the deal.

Whoreman

06-03-20, 14:17

1 million massage shops are back open without a customer in sight.

In other news, the hookers have moved back to the beach side of Beach Road.This post got a bit flooded by the discussions on ED medication and transsexuals. How's the P4 P scene in Pattaya right now? Any young girls hanging around Beach Road of an evening? I'm planning to go there from Bangkok next week to enjoy the quiet beach but will be looking for a girl to join me in my hotel. I'm not a big fan of the online option.

MonkeyPaw

06-03-20, 16:30

Napa, so we are talking about this girl from one of the Nightwish bars? Honestly, I don't see the tell. I think she looks pretty top of the line for a soi 6 bar girl. SNIP

P.S. I was under the impression that all the Nightwish bars were LB free. Is this not the case anymore? See the attached color coded Soi 6 map.First off, I like to give a nice shout out to Brian and the Night Wish Group and some of his buddies I have met on this trip. I'm sure the entire city of Pattaya thanks Night Wish for all the help with the weekly food donation for the needy. I really want to thank that group for their selection of girls and their availability to me on this trip and we are still going. Most definitely, most of the best lookers on Soi 6, as some of them can rival some of the girls on Walking Street. And asides from perhaps BB, I'm sure nobody else on here knows Walking Street GoGo bars like I do. And nobody knows quality girls like myself, especially since I was the one who fucked her. If anybody is confused feel free to message the Night Wish Group on the Facebook and ask.

Think you will find that there are ladyboys working in most Pattaya city bars including soi 6,and I am sure brian has not fucked all the hundreds of people he employs to know whether they are male, sex change or female.
SNIPNot sure what the heck, this NapaSlapper dude is talking about when he is referring to Pam from Nature Bar as being a ladyboy and that Night Wish employs ladyboys and post-ops. Come on dude, let it out. We are here for you to lean on man. Just like what they are protesting for around the world. Solidarity!

Crocodilexp

06-03-20, 18:03

How's the P4 P scene in Pattaya right now? Any young girls hanging around Beach Road of an evening? I'm planning to go there from Bangkok next week to enjoy the quiet beach but will be looking for a girl to join me in my hotel. I'm not a big fan of the online option.Asking the key questions.

I'm planning a trip down to Pattaya as well, but not before the curfew is removed. Pattaya makes no sense at all if you need to be tucked in bed by 11 pm. In normal times, Beach Road doesn't get going properly before 8 pm and if they all need to start going home at 10 pm, that leaves a ridiculously small window. Once upon a time, there was some afternoon action, but that has been gone for several years now.

From what I've seen so far online, the scene doesn't seem too lively. One way to judge is to look through recent Pattaya videos on YouTube, and they don't seem encouraging at all. Even before the lockdown, pickings on Beach Road were dire, and I doubt many girls would return before the tourists do, but I might be wrong.

Seems like I'll have to fall back on tfmi. Wtf and ThaiFriendly, although I'm no fan of trawling for girls online either. I'm not hoping for much except a walk by the see and the nostalgia of admiring the ruins of what once was a great mongering city.

Nounce

06-03-20, 19:33

But the same way you asked someone else to check the ID, you could have just checked it yourself. Not understanding how you guys are making something so easy out to be so complicated. You bring a mf no telling how far to your room. You pay a tip to the doorman. You let the mf have a couple of drinks then get undressed to get in the shower. Then you call all around town to find out if the person in your shower is a guy or girl.

What is wrong with saying hello my name is such and such. I like you. Let me see your ID an hour and a half ago? All this secret squirrel super sleuth spy sliding satang shit is ridiculous.

After calling all over Thailand and finding out it is really a dude, what is your next move once he gets out of the shower?I agree with you. There are still rare occasions this may be useful. You call when it is the 1% that you are not sure about. I think you have said 99% of the time you can tell, that leaves us the 1%. Sometimes it is after you are in the room, you think it is too easy so you start to have question. Calling the receptionist discretely to confirm is the easier method. It takes less than a minute. You are not calling the receptionist to check every one of them.

MichaelSamuel

06-03-20, 19:47

One more thinig to contribute here that I didn't see posted anywhere, forgive me if I repeating information. All of these medications operate as vasal constrictors so the offset to that is actually something like pseudoephedrine. Unfortunately that is not available in many countries over the counter like thailand due to all the misuse so you would have to bring it with you. I have had sinus issues and am a scuba diver so I always travel with some and have found that it is effective after the act to keep the headaches and stuff nose at bay. Some countries have it mixed with ibuprofen or tylenol which would be the best solution.

Also I was a kamigra user but my buddy converted me to sildenafil which is my go to now. More reliable, less side effects. However if you going multiple times a day every day anything can loose efficiency. So taking 100's split into halves or thirds, and then if just need a little boost 1/4 of a kamigra to change up the chemistry. But always at least 4-8 hours between dosages of anything.

Generic 100 MG Viagra is as cheap as 40 cents per pill here in the South East USA. I find if I don't end up fucking after I take one, I get a giant headache. I don't need the 100 mgs, but the nice part about them is I can blow a load and stay hard and keep fucking. Have never been able to do that before, but this shit is a miracle drug. Plus, I love the look on the girls face when you blow a load and then keep going to give them another.

My problem here is that Whiskey Dick is a very very real thing. No idea, but even a single shot of whiskey just makes the commander not want to go to battle. When I'm on the prowl, I stick with beer and vodka, or if the girl is drinking it, Tequila. I love when girls want shots, it's a nice fine line getting with girls who are a little tipsy.