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Danny Duck
10-06-20, 21:43
It's still better than living with someone who wants you to die.Funny.
Couple of you tubers building houses in the village.
One old farang is building a $400,000 home in a $30,000 neighborhood. At least he has been married a long time.
The woman's family must be salivating.
Mr Enternational
10-06-20, 22:06
If you mean P4P girls, I agree. But, Thailand has many good women that farang punters seldom meet.Looks like they don't want to meet them. Even though you can chat up normal ladies by the ton and it is even easy to fuck most of them, it seems that most guys who post here are fixated on the bars and gogos and not into meeting any "good women". So they find a bar or gogo girl that they like and they think they will be able to turn her into a good woman. Go figure. From my experience bar girls are good for 2 things: partying and fucking. If you are trying to do anything other than that with them then you are wasting your time.
Ok, let's get on with the story regarding Secret and I, taking up things from last September when we both left Pattaya.
So, did Secret actually leave Pattaya and go find non-adult work? Yes, she did, but not yet. Her trip home was delayed due to heavy rain and flooding which closed off a highway, but she made it back. Before she left, there was heaving rain in Isan and her mother told her there might be some damage to the house and the rice crops, which was worrisome to her. Now, a BG might have used this flooding as an excuse to ask for money from her boyfriend. And even though Secret had never asked me for money, she was now "retired" with no income source and, with my new knowledge that her friend and roommate was a hardened BG, might she have advised Secret to try to get money out of me? I actually would have been surprised if she had asked, but if she did, what would I do?
And this leads to a moral dilemma and a trap that brings doom upon the hapless gentleman who has fallen for a hardened BG. To help or not to help? If you have the means to help your "special" lady in need, and she is the one you want to marry or at least explore a relationship with in which you will take care of her (e. G. Spend money on her) at some point, why would you not help her? If her family may starve or lose the farm because you won't help them replace their dying water buffalo, then how can you say you love her? Why would she not dump you then and there if her need was real and you would not help? If you can't take care of her, why should she waste time on you? (Or, from a different perspective, if you have stopped giving her money after all the gifts you gave her in Pattaya, you obviously have run out of money so it would be time for her to move on and find someone else willing to be fleeced.) But a good reason not to give her money is because she is lying and if she is and you keep on giving her money, she will lie again and again while your odds of winning over her love in marriage or whatever will approach zero.
As the hardened mongerors will be quick to point out, moral questions such as this have no place in the mongering world. You go to the bar, pay your money, get your service and then you leave. Emotions are left outside the door of the jet that takes you home. If you do this, you don't fall in love, you don't have feelings, you don't buy them stupid gifts, you forget about them when you leave and you don't have to worry about being asked for money after you go home. But, well, things happen, and after around 250 BGs, I fell.
So here I am, waiting for Secret to get home and possibly ask me for money. I am possibly facing what is really my first moral issue with her. I loved her to at least some extent and believed she had been mostly honest with me, as far as I could tell. I was not at all convinced of her devotion to me and given our age difference and other differences, I knew the odds for us ending up together in a loving relationship was nil. I was willing to gamble a bit of money to keep her interest as I enjoyed being with her, but if she was going to ask for a large amount of money to allegedly fix her house at this early point in our possible relationship, I think I would have bugged out at that point as the risks were just too high. As the hardened mongerors will note, again correctly, once you find yourself handing money to a poor Isan girl their requests never stop. Haha Will I experience that?
I could go on regarding this subject, but I will spare you all and happily report the house and rice fields were intact and Secret didn't ask for a single satang. One moral crisis adverted. So while she never acted like a BG to me during this whole time, she wasn't acting so much like a GF either. But I probably wasn't acting like a boyfriend either, at least not the type a poor Isan girl wants to have. She asked for nothing and, well, I gave her nothing. There may be an east meets west situation brewing here.
But yeah, now at home, she spent time doing things around the farm, happy to be there and she gave her mother some rest from the cooking and housework and from monitoring the farm. I might add she loves where she lives and she told me that if I really wanted to come to know her that I would need to come visit her.
We texted morning and evening a bit, not a lot, just chatting about stuff and occasionally making plans for our Phuket trip in November. After not quite 2 weeks at home she then began to prepare to go to Bangkok to look for work, not really looking forward to it as she hates large cities, but happy that she could get back to work at a legit job at least as she needed to make money. Did she hint at me about needing money? Perhaps, but I was waiting to see if we could make it to Phuket before I started handing over cash to her.
One morning I woke up and found a photo from her. I opened up the photo and. Oh my God, her face was covered with blood!
one morning i woke up and found a photo from her. I opened up the photo and. Oh my god, her face was covered with blood!And so. It begins!
I did a lot of research on this a couple of decades ago and, at that time, the deal was if you were the person arranging for a fiance visa and the lady stayed in the USA either as your wife or never married you or anyone else, you were on the hook for any costs to the state or federal government for her (or his) medical bills, housing, food, support, whatever. The USA Government was not interested in somebody being brought to the country and plopped down on the street for other taxpayers to foot the bills to support until they either became a U.S. citizen or get deported.
And I don't recall there being any 10 year time limit on your financial responsibilities in those days. It stretched until and if she became a USA Citizen. Then she was on her own in terms of financial responsibility.
If she didn't marry you but married someone else in the USA, "tag", he was now IT and assumed the responsibility until and if she became a USA Citizen.
Again, that was a couple of decades ago. Maybe it has changed since then. But I would proceed as though that is the way it still is unless I see it spelled out otherwise in clear and plain language on those visa sponsor forms I would be signing.Form I-864, Affidavit of Support under Section 213 A of the INA, is a contract an individual signs agreeing to use their financial resources to support the intending immigrant named on the affidavit. The individual who signs the affidavit of support becomes the sponsor once the intending immigrant becomes a lawful permanent resident. The sponsor is usually the petitioner who filed an immigrant petition on behalf of the intending immigrant.
An affidavit of support is a legally enforceable contract, and the sponsor's responsibility usually lasts until the family member or other individual either becomes a USA Citizen, or is credited with 40 quarters of work (usually 10 years).
Taken off the USCIS website. There is also a similar form for helping someone get a temporary tourist visa which you agree to be liable for some ones costs while visiting and if they overstay their visa.
Franciscass
10-07-20, 03:52
To those who might fall in love with a Thai girl.
Firstly let's put to rest the nonsense that all Thai girls are out to scam you. Some are capable for sure but not the majority. Don't let the begrudges put you off. It can work. Over 20 years living here I know of multiple situations where it has, twice I was close myself, it didn't work out but no problem, actually prefer being single.
While it can work there are myriad problems falling for a bar girl and even if it's not the mindset of the girl when she first meets you it's very possible you will end up significantly out of pocket when the affair comes to an end. You absolutely need to have a healthy dose of skepticism but sometimes that goes out the window when you become blind crazy infatuated with a young beautiful long black haired Thai beauty. For you its idyllic love for her it's just some older guy telling her he loves her and impressing her with money and gifts. She has no romantic feelings for him and may not even pretend to but she will not refuse his generosity, why would she. Eventually he comes to his senses followed by heartache and pain and a depleted bank account. So rule one don't be foolish with money. Pay her scale for her time, take her to nice restaurants and a small gift now and again until you get to know much better. In other words take your time.
First and foremost realize how she makes her living because after falling for her you will have three choices. Agree with her to get a regular job which will pay peanuts, agree to not have a problem with her continuing in her chosen profession or ask her to stop and agree to support her and often by extension her family who depend on her.
Then it comes to trying to figure out is the relationship real, can it work or is she just with you for what's in it for her. In other words can you trust her? Some telltale signs you should not.
Early on asking for money for some personal or family emergency.
Suggesting you go shopping particularly to gold shops.
When you're away making silly excuses for not answering her phone when you call.
Ok so none of that is happening and it getting more serious and you begin to wonder will it work out long term. Some considerations to ponder.
Does she have a kid (s)? Are you OK if she has?
Is you financial position more than comfortable to support her and her family?
Her age. Better if over 30 as she will be more mature with a more realistic awareness of what's what and lower expectations of what life has in store for her. If she is young and attractive makes lots of money you better be prepared to more than compensate her for her loss of earnings. She is not going to settle for 42 sq meters in Jomtien, dine at the local noodle stall and ride home on the back of an old 150 CC.
Age difference. Not necessarily a deal breaker but should be less than 30 years.
Her looks, better especially if she young not too stunning so as to avoid getting too much attention from predatory admirers.
Are you going to live in Thailand or in your home country? Better in your home country. Expat living here if married is less secure and less interesting than you might imagine. On the downside she will be away from her family and friends which can make adjusting to a new life abroad difficult.
Is she interested in furthering her education, becoming fluent in your language and contributing by finding a job or starting a business? If her interests don't extend beyond sleeping, eating, watching soap operas and spending hours on social media life together can get suffocating boring even if she keeps you warm at night.
Despite all of these obstacles making falling in love with a working girl a long shot I am reminded of what Alfred Lord Tennyson said "Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all." I would add the proviso, that's ok so long as it hasn't cost you an arm and a leg.
Jimmy Boy 99
10-07-20, 04:43
Well I searched for both and could not find either. Care to explain what it is supposed to mean?https://excerpty.com/quote/you-can-be-at-their-feet-charles-maurice-de-talleyrand-perigord/
Be as subservient as you want but don't give them the ability to affect your life.
Form I-864, Affidavit of Support under Section 213 A of the INA, is a contract an individual signs agreeing to use their financial resources to support the intending immigrant named on the affidavit. The individual who signs the affidavit of support becomes the sponsor once the intending immigrant becomes a lawful permanent resident. The sponsor is usually the petitioner who filed an immigrant petition on behalf of the intending immigrant.
An affidavit of support is a legally enforceable contract, and the sponsor's responsibility usually lasts until the family member or other individual either becomes a USA Citizen, or is credited with 40 quarters of work (usually 10 years).
Taken off the USCIS website. There is also a similar form for helping someone get a temporary tourist visa which you agree to be liable for some ones costs while visiting and if they overstay their visa.Ah, exactly. I had forgotten about the 40 quarters of work credits part of it. And it needs to be a legitimate, taxable income job, not her sister paying her cash under the table at a family clothing shop.
If she never gets or keeps a job that long or for that many quarters and never becomes a U.S. citizen, your financial responsibility to support her just goes on and on into her old age and to her death or deportation I suppose.
And so. It begins!Yep. This is in keeping with my observation and experience that my fucking these girls (bareback or not) has not yet produced any evidence of meaningful short or long term medical issues. But I'll be darned if my doing so doesn't immediately trigger all kinds of expensive non sex-related medical issues and ailments for them, their kids, their parents, grandparents, etc!
Mr Enternational
10-07-20, 07:40
An affidavit of support is a legally enforceable contract, and the sponsor's responsibility usually lasts until the family member or other individual either becomes a USA Citizen, or is credited with 40 quarters of work (usually 10 years).Yep. Happened to my boy. He married this hooker from Brazil. Insisted that they had some type of connection. She had 2 kids before they got married. The first he claimed but obviously was not his. The second definitely his. While he was away at work some guy wrote on her facebook thanks for last night or something to that effect. When he came home she admitted it and so began his time for supporting someone he was no longer with.
Pimpampoumpipo
10-07-20, 12:42
Well I searched for both and could not find either. Care to explain what it is supposed to mean?Sorry for my translation. Basically it means you can love them and show them but never be at their mercy.
I hope that it's clearer.
One morning I woke up and found a photo from her. I opened up the photo and. Oh my God, her face was covered with blood!I skim read your post in under a minute and didn't find the main idea in the previous eight paragraphs. For the next installment of your magnum opus I'll know to jump straight to the final paragraph.
Danny Duck
10-07-20, 18:31
And so. It begins!His girl is different.
You don't write Trilogies about Bargirls, run of the mill ones.
Beijing4987
10-07-20, 20:08
"Fools rush in, where angels fear to tread" or was it "wise men" ? I've been bitten, but survived. Read Steven Leather's book on the subject "Private Dancer" "Stupid Shit in. " threads have popped up in ISG. The Thailand one is dedicated to and started for a boaster. Maybe it's time for an "I rushed in thread".
Mr Enternational
10-07-20, 21:32
Firstly let's put to rest the nonsense that all Thai girls are out to scam you. Some are capable for sure but not the majority. Don't let the begrudges put you off. It can work. Over 20 years living here I know of multiple situations where it has, twice I was close myself, it didn't work out but no problem, actually prefer being single.LOL. It took 20 years just to see only multiple situations where it worked? If I sit at the slot machine in Vegas and pull the handle enough times then eventually I will get a jackpot. I guess keep hope alive. You say it didn't work for you but you but make an excuse that you prefer being single anyway. You think his chances are any better? Once again we were not discussing all Thai girls. We are discussing bargirls in particular.
Yep. This is in keeping with my observation and experience that my fucking these girls (bareback or not) has not yet produced any evidence of meaningful short or long term medical issues. But I'll be darned if my doing so doesn't immediately trigger all kinds of expensive non sex-related medical issues and ailments for them, their kids, their parents, grandparents, etc!Hahah. I've never thought of it that way but its soooooo true.
20 years of me fucking them and I haven't had a medical problem (touch wood). A girl fucks me once and suddenly she's sick, relatives are dying, she's about to be thrown out of school and it's her kids 6th birthday this year.
Just call me Typhoid Mary.
G.
Franciscass
10-08-20, 03:01
LOL. It took 20 years just to see only multiple situations where it worked? If I sit at the slot machine in Vegas and pull the handle enough times then eventually I will get a jackpot. I guess keep hope alive. You say it didn't work for you but you but make an excuse that you prefer being single anyway. You think his chances are any better? Once again we were not discussing all Thai girls. We are discussing bargirls in particular.If it's possible that it can work even if as I said in my post it's a long shot I say why not go for it. I don't understand the attitude that you shouldn't at least give it a chance of succeeding. Just be aware of the pitfalls and keep your wits about you. I know this is not easy when you are besotted with a Thai beauty who might be playing you but I guess I prefer waking up in the morning as a foolish old romantic rather than a foolish old cynic.
Banana Boi
10-08-20, 11:42
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Danny Duck
10-08-20, 16:49
Mr E makes a lot of good points. Majority of Bargirls girls aren't Scammers. They just sellers of product.
Over 17 years I've only come across one scammer. From Baccara soi cowboy. Wouldn't do anything. But demanded Full payment. I paid.
Sorry for ruining the market. LOL.
She had a motorbike accident, obviously, and despite wearing a helmet she suffered lacerations to the face and legs, was badly burned when the hot muffler of the bike came down on her leg, and she suffered general cuts and bruises from sliding and tumbling along the edge of a dirt road. She received a few stitches and bandages at the hospital, and will have some permanent scaring and skin damage, but was released from the hospital intact.
Now you hardened mongerors will be predicting that even as she was crawling out from under the bike, she was looking at this accident as a potential gold mine and thinking how she will milk this incident for all she can get from me (and from other boyfriends you think she must have. Yes, she will send me a picture of her face covered in blood, then of her burned and bleeding leg, then cry that her bike has been destroyed and plead with me to send her the money she needs to pay the medical bills and to buy a new bike.
When she told me she was worried about the cost the of medical care, I thought, OK, here we go. I knew her cost of care would be very low, if not zero. So I said I thought they got free care. She said yes, that is true, but that one needs special coverage for motorbike accidents and she was not sure if she had the proper coverage. She would have to go into town to inquire when she had the sutures removed. Well, she did all that and she had the proper coverage, so sorry guys, wrong again. She didn't ask for a satong and I didn't send her a single satong nor dollar.
After recovering sufficiently, she went to Bangkok and found work at a clothing store. How do I know she was not back in Pattaya and was lying about being in Bangkok? She sent the types of photos I would expect to see and the times she sent messages was perfectly in line with what I expected from a person working during the day in a clothing store.
But as the time wore on, I was sensing some drudgery creeping in. Her focus was making money and caring for and worrying about her family back home. I was in a hold mode, waiting until we met in Phuket hoping to then determine if we might actually have a future before I started handing out money. Why spend money if our relationship was doomed? She, in hindsight, was kind of waiting for me to do something to help her, and all I was doing was chatting. She is not the type to complain or burden someone else with her problems, and she later said that she was concerned I would drop her if she appeared as a burden to me. So, we both had feelings apparently for the other, but were each waiting on the other to carry through.
Things were happening with her and I suppose the fact all I seemed to want out of the relationship was a pen pal and someone to travel and have sex with, she kept silent. I had said I love her, but we both knew those are just words without the proper actions. But I had the sense something was about to happen but was not yet prepared to do anything to stop it. Then early one morning I get an incoming message from her. "I need more money. I am quitting my job and leaving Bangkok. " Where can she get more money? OMG, no.
*_oreman, sorry, you will need to read to next-to-last paragraph this time, haha.
JohnReter335
10-08-20, 23:53
https://excerpty.com/quote/you-can-be-at-their-feet-charles-maurice-de-talleyrand-perigord/
Be as subservient as you want but don't give them the ability to affect your life.100 percent right and fully agreed.
...When she told me she was worried about the cost the of medical care, I thought, OK, here we go. I knew her cost of care would be very low, if not zero. So I said I thought they got free care. She said yes, that is true, but that one needs special coverage for motorbike accidents and she was not sure if she had the proper coverage. She would have to go into town to inquire when she had the sutures removed. Well, she did all that and she had the proper coverage, so sorry guys, wrong again. She didn't ask for a satong and I didn't send her a single satong nor dollar.
... That was a good thing to mention. Whenever I receive photos from my girls of them or their family members in hospital beds, bandaged up for whatever and so on, I mention the same thing about their medical care likely being very low cost if not free if they don't have money. And that does put them off from asking me for financial assistance too. At least until something else comes along.
In my case, if Thailand ever also establishes free rent and low or no cost unlimited replacement of broken or stolen cellphones (and free wifi top up) to Thai nationals with no money I could pretty much delete my entire bank to bank transfer favorites list.
HorseTrader
10-09-20, 04:28
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After recovering sufficiently, she went to Bangkok and found work at a clothing store. How do I know she was not back in Pattaya and was lying about being in Bangkok? She sent the types of photos I would expect to see and the times she sent messages was perfectly in line with what I expected from a person working during the day in a clothing store.
But as the time wore on, I was sensing some drudgery creeping in. Her focus was making money and caring for and worrying about her family back home.
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Sending pictures that are consistent with working in a clothing store is no indication that she is actually in Bangkok. If you want to know where she is, suggest you ask her to use Line and send her location. Unless she is clever enough to change her digital location (e.g. VPN), sending a Line location will show where she is really located.
If you eventually marry this P4P girl, she will spend no more time focusing on "making money and caring for and worrying about her family back home". That will be your job. My best related story is a friend who married to a professional Thai girl about 1. 5 years ago, good marriage so far. Before the marriage he made it clear that no money would be sent to Thailand. He still gets sucked into paying some big ticket items from time to time, but his average has been only about 6000 THB per month. I expect most farang husbands send more than that to their wives' families.
Sending pictures that are consistent with working in a clothing store is no indication that she is actually in Bangkok. If you want to know where she is, suggest you ask her to use Line and send her location. Unless she is clever enough to change her digital location (e.g. VPN), sending a Line location will show where she is really located.
If you eventually marry this P4P girl, she will spend no more time focusing on "making money and caring for and worrying about her family back home". That will be your job. My best related story is a friend who married to a professional Thai girl about 1. 5 years ago, good marriage so far. Before the marriage he made it clear that no money would be sent to Thailand. He still gets sucked into paying some big ticket items from time to time, but his average has been only about 6000 THB per month. I expect most farang husbands send more than that to their wives' families.It would be an uncaring girl who would marry an American, live in the world's richest country and not want to send money back to her family.
Ass Addict
10-09-20, 15:32
His girl is different.
You don't write Trilogies about Bargirls, run of the mill ones.At first I thought your post was funny.
But now I realize you were correct.
His girl is truly different.
Member #4733
10-09-20, 16:05
Think of the odds of success when you give out money and always make sure you are left with enough funds at the end so you could do it all over again. The worst would be win her then get dumped when she finds you have spent all the money!I just got this quote but I could have taken some others as well. Repeatedly you raise the question whether she will ask you for money. Her not doing so, might be proof of her not being a hardened bar girl. Then she might even be interested in a loving relationship. But all along the story it seems to me it is not about IF she asks for money. You expect her to do so but wonder when she does so. I do not comprehend that very well. But thanks a lot for a nice read in these boring times.
Pimpampoumpipo
10-09-20, 20:17
Be as subservient as you want but don't give them the ability to affect your life.Believe me guys.
Nothing beats freedom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5NKt8VNCxs
Ass Addict
10-09-20, 22:00
But all along the story it seems to me it is not about IF she asks for money. You expect her to do so but wonder when she does so. I do not comprehend that very well.It's called psychology of the victim. He knows something terrifying is going to happen and he keeps wondering when.
At this stage his predator is already in full control of his mind.
Sending pictures that are consistent with working in a clothing store is no indication that she is actually in Bangkok. If you want to know where she is, suggest you ask her to use Line and send her location. Unless she is clever enough to change her digital location (e.g. VPN), sending a Line location will show where she is really located.
If you eventually marry this P4P girl, she will spend no more time focusing on "making money and caring for and worrying about her family back home". That will be your job. My best related story is a friend who married to a professional Thai girl about 1. 5 years ago, good marriage so far. Before the marriage he made it clear that no money would be sent to Thailand. He still gets sucked into paying some big ticket items from time to time, but his average has been only about 6000 THB per month. I expect most farang husbands send more than that to their wives' families.Good comments. Thank you.
I have not talked about how extensive my search for the truth as been. You are, of course, correct and Secret is a clever woman, and should the time come when a detailed accounting of my fact checking of her location becomes integral to the overall story, I will go into the details of how I either proved she was telling the truth or how I proved she wasn't. But for sure, she is in Bangkok at this point working in a clothing store.
Regarding your last comments, you make assertions about a particular woman you have never met and who throughout my reporting has essentially passed each and every test to show she is hardly the typical "P4 P girl". In general you are correct, but as someone else has said, if this was a typical story about a typical old farang man falling for a typical young BG, I would not be writing this. Give me some credit please! Haha.
I just got this quote but I could have taken some others as well. Repeatedly you raise the question whether she will ask you for money. Her not doing so, might be proof of her not being a hardened bar girl. Then she might even be interested in a loving relationship. But all along the story it seems to me it is not about IF she asks for money. You expect her to do so but wonder when she does so. I do not comprehend that very well. But thanks a lot for a nice read in these boring times.I needed to establish a level of trust with her. I probably, unknowingly, lost some trust with her by never really helping her however. I mean, if I knew she was suffering but not helping her when I had to means to help, why should she trust me to be able to care for her in a future relationship? In her mind she was being quite honest with me. Trust works both ways. Our trust is about to be shaken.
I am glad you have enjoyed the story thus far.
It's called psychology of the victim. He knows something terrifying is going to happen and he keeps wondering when.
At this stage his predator is already in full control of his mind.We shall see.
That was a good thing to mention. Whenever I receive photos from my girls of them or their family members in hospital beds, bandaged up for whatever and so on, I mention the same thing about their medical care likely being very low cost if not free if they don't have money. And that does put them off from asking me for financial assistance too. At least until something else comes along.My buddy went with a soi 6 girl, kept her for his entire trip. Took tons of photo's of her, wherever they went even naked in bed. He gets home and she sends him a photo of the top half of a hospital bill (without the total) and then a photo of 'her' in the hospital bed. Taken from the waist down. Sure was a hospital bed, had all the correct machines in the background. When he showed me the photo I just said "count the toes". Luckily whoever took the photo was missing a toe on her left foot and he had enough photos to prove she had all of her toes when she was with him. Funny thing is in the bar she wore tons of makeup and just looked 'gaudy', outside the bar she didn't wear much makeup and actually looked very attractive.
Member #4733
10-10-20, 20:27
I needed to establish a level of trust with her. I probably, unknowingly, lost some trust with her by never really helping her however. I mean, if I knew she was suffering but not helping her when I had to means to help, why should she trust me to be able to care for her in a future relationship? In her mind she was being quite honest with me. Trust works both ways. Our trust is about to be shaken.
I am glad you have enjoyed the story thus far.Normally I do not read the Pattaya thread as I was there two days and didn't like it. I like Thailand mostly for culture and beaches etc and just a few days of Bkk. So that is why I never read your stories. Today I did my best to read it all. I was almost a bit in tears about Secret. I could type university knowledge about it to the length of your stories. I won't do that. As it often doesn't help. Let me tell you that a few times I could predict the next episode of your story and I was proven to be right. Especially about the Aussie guy, as I could have done a similar thing. Actually with Corona I am doing the same thing but than with small entrepreneurs facing a hard time. I guess there are two things that I would like to tell. The first thing is about culture. There are two types of culture here. The Western culture that is individualistic and the older culture that is family oriented. I say older because in Western countries this culture was the same in rural areas just an odd 50 years ago. Westerners have few children and spend a lot of time and money on their children. In the older culture children are just a means to get money. An extra hand to do the work. An insurance for old age. It is pretty universal and you can learn a lot about it on the net. You have (or had) only partial knowledge about the old culture and Secret has only a hunch of your Western culture. If she is to explain her culture to you than you should explain your culture to her. And in depth. You don't graps another culture just in a few hours or days. That takes rehearsal and even after years you still find things to be different. The second thing is about the maturation of the BG. Many BG are effectively girls that have one or more children and the father is not there (left or had a 1 night stand etc). The family will take care of her children and she has to take care of her family. That is the deal. Not just in Thailand but I know of cases in Bulgaria and Romania too. Most girls like that don't really want to become a BG. They have to and their best way out is a loving relationship with a foreigner. Just like Secret. So she liked you better than the Aussie but in her culture the family and love also have a business part. Or subsistence might be a better part. She will rather choose a man she likes than one she doesn't like but love and family (business) are not separable. That is what you have to deal with. In your more recent posts you write from your own Western point of view and want her to live like that. I don't know if that is fair. Some separate remarks. You want her to be loyal and go back for her to Pattaya but you keep fucking other girls. What girl would accept that? Only a business woman. Love cannot be expected than. And believe me if you frequent a girl like that all of the street knows about it. Staying north really doesn't help. If a girl like Secret has one or more experiences like this. I mean that she in her way of thinking gives all to one man and doesn't get what she thinks she should get, she might become that hardened BG. That is: she matures into a hardened BG. Of course others start like a hardened BG right away but I do not think she was like that at the beginning of your story. I am still interested in the follow-up but as I already stated it seems you have some predicting words in your story already. I am a bit depressed as you and her had deserved a fairer chance.
My buddy went with a soi 6 girl, kept her for his entire trip. Took tons of photo's of her, wherever they went even naked in bed. He gets home and she sends him a photo of the top half of a hospital bill (without the total) and then a photo of 'her' in the hospital bed. Taken from the waist down. Sure was a hospital bed, had all the correct machines in the background. When he showed me the photo I just said "count the toes". Luckily whoever took the photo was missing a toe on her left foot and he had enough photos to prove she had all of her toes when she was with him. Funny thing is in the bar she wore tons of makeup and just looked 'gaudy', outside the bar she didn't wear much makeup and actually looked very attractive.I have received isolated photos of arms or legs with big bandages wrapped around them, seen the girls just days later with no sign of a scar or blemish on them. Amazing medical care I must say.
Even more amazing was the time I received a photo of a girl's 2 year old "baby" with a bandage around the wrist with a hand of someone at least in their 30's or 40's. Sometimes they don't even try very hard.
Buddy of mine, frequent visitor to Thailand every year for decades, has a Thai wife and kids in the USA, was upset with worry about one of his regular P4P session girls here, how to transfer money yo her and all that because, according to her, she could not leave the hospital until she paid her 5,000 baht bill.
WTF, man, I said. Can you imagine how many years some of those patients would have to remain in their hospital beds until someone on the outside brought them 5,000 baht if that were true. Naturally, a couple of days later she had somehow gotten sprung from her hospital "prison" and was happily going about her life on the outside without him sending her that 5,000 baht bail money.
Mr Enternational
10-11-20, 03:09
In the older culture children are just a means to get money. An extra hand to do the work. An insurance for old age.It seems most have decided to cash in on that insurance at middle age these days. Chick has a mom that is 40 talking about how guilty she feels because she has to help such and such. They don't get a chance to grow and develop because they are saddled with so much responsibility at a young age.
It seems most have decided to cash in on that insurance at middle age these days. Chick has a mom that is 40 talking about how guilty she feels because she has to help such and such. They don't get a chance to grow and develop because they are saddled with so much responsibility at a young age.With the birth rate declining as much as it has for the past couple of decades, now there are only 1 or 2 adult kids to take care of the same number of parents, grandparents, drunk uncles, old maid aunts and so on as before, no longer 5-6 adult kids to do it.
That charismatic doctor who pushed for more widespread condom use supposedly in order to reduce poverty brought on by Thai families having so many kids should have used his charisma to push for a universal Social Security type retirement program for Thailand instead.
Franciscass
10-11-20, 16:28
We shall see.Hi Hawk.
Your undoubted literary talents are obvious but possibly wasted on ISG.
You may need an epilogue with marriage or a honeymoon but so far your story contains all the elements required, older guy meets younger girl, girl needs guy's help, sex and romance followed by conflict and reconciliation it's all there for a Mills and Boon novel.
Even more exciting if you were prepared to use poetic license, take some liberties with the truth and add in a car chase through walking street or though the rice fields of Isaan I can see a Netflix series in the offing especially if ET can take a break from his harem to play the dashing handsome chauvinistic male lead.
What do you think?
Danny Duck
10-11-20, 19:53
Hi Hawk.
Your undoubted literary talents are obvious but possibly wasted on ISG.
You may need an epilogue with marriage or a honeymoon but so far your story contains all the elements required, older guy meets younger girl, girl needs guy's help, sex and romance followed by conflict and reconciliation it's all there for a Mills and Boon novel.
Even more exciting if you were prepared to use poetic license, take some liberties with the truth and add in a car chase through walking street or though the rice fields of Isaan I can see a Netflix series in the offing especially if ET can take a break from his harem to play the dashing handsome chauvinistic male lead.
What do you think?Can someone refresh how old Hawk is. Make the whole thing look silly.
Hi Hawk.
Your undoubted literary talents are obvious but possibly wasted on ISG.
You may need an epilogue with marriage or a honeymoon but so far your story contains all the elements required, older guy meets younger girl, girl needs guy's help, sex and romance followed by conflict and reconciliation it's all there for a Mills and Boon novel.
Even more exciting if you were prepared to use poetic license, take some liberties with the truth and add in a car chase through walking street or though the rice fields of Isaan I can see a Netflix series in the offing especially if ET can take a break from his harem to play the dashing handsome chauvinistic male lead.
What do you think?Haha. Thanks. Sorry for a boring beginning, but I would be unable to make up what is about to start happening. No high speed chases through the rice fields or shootings in the back sois of Bangkok however. It is all real. But, for sure, with some license and imagination, this could be a starting point for a story of love or of personal tragedy possibly! Actually, and a spoiler alert, of personal tragedy beyond some stitches to the face I can guarantee (but don't even try to make a prediction based on this).
Normally I do not read the Pattaya thread as I was there two days and didn't like it. I like Thailand mostly for culture and beaches etc and just a few days of Bkk. So that is why I never read your stories. Today I did my best to read it all. I was almost a bit in tears about Secret. I appreciate your comments. You seem to have a good understanding of the situation, but the last chapter ended with how things were one year ago. Be careful with your predictions as to how things are today! In September 2019 I was trying to see if I could trust her, while sort of ignoring what she needed from me before she could trust me. The issue of trust is about to explode in October 2019, making your wise remarks here quite timely.
I appreciate your comments. You seem to have a good understanding of the situation, but the last chapter ended with how things were one year ago. Be careful with your predictions as to how things are today! In September 2019 I was trying to see if I could trust her, while sort of ignoring what she needed from me before she could trust me. The issue of trust is about to explode in October 2019, making your wise remarks here quite timely.In all honesty, if you can't come live here with her, at least for a time (and I don't mean a month or two), you should really shelve it. As stated before, I've lived here two decades. I've seen some successful relationships with bar girls, but most were disasters. Coming here and living with them for a year or so will let you know how it will be. You will also get an idea about how parasitic the family is. The relationships that I have seen that were a success always entailed gals that did not feel beholden to take care of their families and / or their families had some means. It really is the deal killer, may not seem so at first, but it will be.
Normally I do not read the Pattaya thread as I was there two days and didn't like it. I like Thailand mostly for culture and beaches etc and just a few days of Bkk. So that is why I never read your stories. Today I did my best to read it all. I was almost a bit in tears about Secret. I could type university knowledge about it to the length of your stories. I won't do that. As it often doesn't help. Let me tell you that a few times I could predict the next episode of your story and I was proven to be right. Especially about the Aussie guy, as I could have done a similar thing. Actually with Corona I am doing the same thing but than with small entrepreneurs facing a hard time. I guess there are two things that I would like to tell. The first thing is about culture. There are two types of culture here. The Western culture that is individualistic and the older culture that is family oriented. I say older because in Western countries this culture was the same in rural areas just an odd 50 years ago. Westerners have few children and spend a lot of time and money on their children. In the older culture children are just a means to get money. An extra hand to do the work. An insurance for old age. It is pretty universal and you can learn a lot about it on the net. You have (or had) only partial knowledge about the old culture and Secret has only a hunch of your Western culture. If she is to explain her culture to you than you should explain your culture to her. And in depth. You don't graps another culture just in a few hours or days. That takes rehearsal and even after years you still find things to be different. The second thing is about the maturation of the BG. Many BG are effectively girls that have one or more children and the father is not there (left or had a 1 night stand etc). The family will take care of her children and she has to take care of her family. That is the deal. Not just in Thailand but I know of cases in Bulgaria and Romania too. Most girls like that don't really want to become a BG. They have to and their best way out is a loving relationship with a foreigner..You're a romantic guy like I was 15 years ago. Yes I loved many girls in Europe, in Thailand! I was totally in love in Thailand of some girls in the past and I was loyal before. I even tried to help them and send them money. I was thinking same like you, that these bar girls in Bangkok or Pattaya were victims and didn't have any choice and had to fuck with men to take care their family.
But right now, I think totally the opposite. If you want a good Thai girl, don't take a lady bar from a gogo or a beer bar especially in Pattaya or Bkk or Phuket. Most of them are lazy, they don't want work. And you have to understand that if you like sexy working girls like me who are 18/25 you have to understand they will never stay only with you. They lie all the time, if you're in Thailand and generous with them, of course they'll like you and they will stay with you if you give them what they want. It can be gifts, money, gold. But even if the girl say she loves you and she'll wait for you, be sure that if you don't live with her in Thailand, one time you'll be in the plane to go back your country she'll go fuck with another man as soon as your left her!
Most of the time, these sexy girls have many sponsors in the world. And when they're boring in Pattaya, they want make money go party and they ll lie to you all the time.
Last time, I was fucking a very sexy girl in Pattaya who is 21. One of my friend who lives in Pattaya gave me her Line, because he told me she was fucking sexy and she was a regular girl to him.
She came my hotel for ST for 1500. And when I was fucking her, her farang boyfriend was calling her on Line, Whasapp, Messenger all the time. And he insisted during more than 5 min, she told me when I was fucking her to let her switch off her phone. Of course I said YES and after she came back on the bed and she let me fuck her again. She just asked me like many girls to not come inside her pussy because she doesn't want be pregnant.
After we spoke and she told me she has 5 boyfriends from many countries. And I asked her why she still go with men if these men send her money. And she told me she's boring and she's in Pattaya and she says when men are nice with her she's ok to fuck. She just lie to her boyfriends and she doesn't care about them.
In all honesty, if you can't come live here with her, at least for a time (and I don't mean a month or two), you should really shelve it. As stated before, I've lived here two decades. I've seen some successful relationships with bar girls, but most were disasters. Coming here and living with them for a year or so will let you know how it will be. You will also get an idea about how parasitic the family is. The relationships that I have seen that were a success always entailed gals that did not feel beholden to take care of their families and / or their families had some means. It really is the deal killer, may not seem so at first, but it will be.One thing she told me is "If you want to understand me, you will have to come to my home town. " I did not fully comprehend that at the time. What you say is quite true.
In October 2019, I knew little about her family. Over time I came to see that she is not in a parasitic family. Some family members on her fathers side (not the father) may indeed be parasitic, but she seems to have pretty much divorced herself from them. All she has provided care for are her mother, half-sister and son. And in fact, she is the effective leader of that family unit. No one is telling her what to do! Going to Pattaya was her sole decision to keep the farm on her and the sister's side of the family.
Greetings from paradise .
Happy Mid Autumn Festival
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f79dba13bad1The quality of the girls seems below par, but still better than nothing. Which bars? This one looks better. Might be worthwhile to bookmark the space alien so I can reminisce.
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f830bd4ca7d3#1.
Greetings from paradise .
Happy Mid Autumn Festival
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f79dba13bad1Not quite the paradise we remember, but been a great place to be stuck in!
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f830bd4ca7d3
Mr Enternational
10-14-20, 12:50
One thing she told me is "If you want to understand me, you will have to come to my home town. " I did not fully comprehend that at the time. That is not one a guy with low resistance to saying no should fall for. My buddy is in Surin with a chick now. They went to buy a shitload of crabs. He was thinking they were going to go home and cook them up for a great meal. But no. Instead they went to a pond to release them for good luck. Not sure how much good luck they would have tried to purchase had it been their own money that was buying the crabs. So meanwhile mongers think chicks are at home starving, they are actually literally throwing food away.
Pimpampoumpipo
10-14-20, 16:48
The quality of the girls seems below par, but still better than nothing. Which bars? This one looks better. Might be worthwhile to bookmark the space alien so I can reminisce.
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f830bd4ca7d3#1.The Palace!
And the girls dance only for you. Lucky man!
Pimpampoumpipo
10-14-20, 16:55
Instead they went to a pond to release them for good luck.And the crabs devoured all the endemic species of the pond and upset the entire eco system....
SinfullyKorean
10-14-20, 23:39
My buddy went with a soi 6 girl, kept her for his entire trip. Took tons of photo's of her, wherever they went even naked in bed. He gets home and she sends him a photo of the top half of a hospital bill (without the total) and then a photo of 'her' in the hospital bed. Taken from the waist down. Sure was a hospital bed, had all the correct machines in the background. When he showed me the photo I just said "count the toes". Luckily whoever took the photo was missing a toe on her left foot and he had enough photos to prove she had all of her toes when she was with him. Funny thing is in the bar she wore tons of makeup and just looked 'gaudy', outside the bar she didn't wear much makeup and actually looked very attractive.How long was his trip? And how much did he pay her?
SinfullyKorean
10-14-20, 23:54
You're a romantic guy like I was 15 years ago. Yes I loved many girls in Europe, in Thailand! I was totally in love in Thailand of some girls in the past and I was loyal before. I even tried to help them and send them money. I was thinking same like you, that these bar girls in Bangkok or Pattaya were victims and didn't have any choice and had to fuck with men to take care their family.
But right now, I think totally the opposite. If you want a good Thai girl, don't take a lady bar from a gogo or a beer bar especially in Pattaya or Bkk or Phuket. Most of them are lazy, they don't want work. And you have to understand that if you like sexy working girls like me who are 18/25 you have to understand they will never stay only with you. They lie all the time, if you're in Thailand and generous with them, of course they'll like you and they will stay with you if you give them what they want. It can be gifts, money, gold. But even if the girl say she loves you and she'll wait for you, be sure that if you don't live with her in Thailand, one time you'll be in the plane to go back your country she'll go fuck with another man as soon as your left her!
Most of the time, these sexy girls have many sponsors in the world. And when they're boring in Pattaya, they want make money go party and they ll lie to you all the time.
Last time, I was fucking a very sexy girl in Pattaya who is 21. One of my friend who lives in Pattaya gave me her Line, because he told me she was fucking sexy and she was a regular girl to him.
She came my hotel for ST for 1500. And when I was fucking her, her farang boyfriend was calling her on Line, Whasapp, Messenger all the time. And he insisted during more than 5 min, she told me when I was fucking her to let her switch off her phone. Of course I said YES and after she came back on the bed and she let me fuck her again. She just asked me like many girls to not come inside her pussy because she doesn't want be pregnant.
After we spoke and she told me she has 5 boyfriends from many countries. And I asked her why she still go with men if these men send her money. And she told me she's boring and she's in Pattaya and she says when men are nice with her she's ok to fuck. She just lie to her boyfriends and she doesn't care about them.Hahaha, I love it. Thanks for the story. Some of us grow up with the Superman complex. It's sold to to us in all the movies. Poor damsel in distress, knight in shining armor to sweep her off her feet and save her. Problem is, real life don't work like that. I (and plenty of others) learned the hard way. Got to understand that we're paying them to leave, not to stay. Don't get into a relationship unless it's mutually beneficial. Speaking of which.
In all honesty, if you can't come live here with her, at least for a time (and I don't mean a month or two), you should really shelve it. As stated before, I've lived here two decades. I've seen some successful relationships with bar girls, but most were disasters. Coming here and living with them for a year or so will let you know how it will be. You will also get an idea about how parasitic the family is. The relationships that I have seen that were a success always entailed gals that did not feel beholden to take care of their families and / or their families had some means. It really is the deal killer, may not seem so at first, but it will be.At Goat. What was your living arrangement / agreement back when you started living there 20 years ago? Were you retired? Did you work in Thailand? I'm asking because I've been thinking about retiring in Thailand. But I think there's an age limit of 50 for a retirement visa and I'm about 10 years shy of that. Did you start living there under the retirement visa or marriage visa? If it's a marriage visa, was there an understanding you'd still be fucking around? Was she still working? Or was there some other agreement you guys came to?
Jimmy Boy 99
10-15-20, 05:06
Any members there noticed this happening?
https://thepattayanews.com/2020/10/14/special-feature-with-the-lack-of-foreign-tourists-live-streaming-from-pattaya-bars-online-is-rising-but-not-everyone-is-pleased/
Mr Enternational
10-15-20, 05:31
Any members there noticed this happening?
https://thepattayanews.com/2020/10/14/special-feature-with-the-lack-of-foreign-tourists-live-streaming-from-pattaya-bars-online-is-rising-but-not-everyone-is-pleased/Thanks JB. Reminded me of a report that I was supposed to write like 3 weeks ago. First let me quote this from the article you posted.
"It's working, also, at least at some bars. Some bars have even reportedly made thousands of US dollars and have huge dedicated audiences. A look through live chats can see some full of dozens to even hundreds of people from around the world interacting with girls, joking with them and sending them drinks, of which they get a commision, from around the world. ".
A chick I know that works on Soi 6 was having her birthday party so I went up to the bar to buy her a drink. There was another chick working there that was talking to a guy via video. In front of the chick I know and the other girl were a bunch of fucking drinks. Like 12 or so? She said that the guy on the video had bought them. No idea what payment method was used. In one of the pictures you can see the girl's cell phone standing up while she is on video with the dude.
Banana Boi
10-15-20, 05:40
Thanks for the videos guys. Best thing I have read on this board since the lockdown began.
I would put money that these videos are shot by Thai guys as they have now started allowing them back in the gogo bars. No one is getting away with taking videos like this in a packed Palace bar. Can someone buy these guys a GoPro with 4k video!
As for the talent, Paradise hasn't been good for years and it's been reported that many of the Palace girls are now at Pin Up. I still know some girls I know in the Palace video.
But I think there's an age limit of 50 for a retirement visa and I'm about 10 years shy of that.
That's the purpose of the Elite Visa. If you can afford to retire at age 40 then the 500,000 baht per year for the Elite Visa is a drop in the bucket. It also may or may not allow you back in to Thailand before the general public.
That is not one a guy with low resistance to saying no should fall for. My buddy is in Surin with a chick now. They went to buy a shitload of crabs. He was thinking they were going to go home and cook them up for a great meal. But no. Instead they went to a pond to release them for good luck. Not sure how much good luck they would have tried to purchase had it been their own money that was buying the crabs. So meanwhile mongers think chicks are at home starving, they are actually literally throwing food away.This is something new I have not heard before and made my coffee to go my throat when reading. It is not the sick buffalo when you go there, it is the unlucky crabs that they need money for!!
No doubt the pond of luck is in the crab farm of her brother!
Danny Duck
10-15-20, 05:50
Any members there noticed this happening?
https://thepattayanews.com/2020/10/14/special-feature-with-the-lack-of-foreign-tourists-live-streaming-from-pattaya-bars-online-is-rising-but-not-everyone-is-pleased/There's a guy CB media on youtube. Very entertaining. I bet makes huge money blogging Thailand. He did one live streaming gig. People donate money. I swear they can make $500 from donations over a two hour period.
You have to be good of course.
Any members there noticed this happening?
https://thepattayanews.com/2020/10/14/special-feature-with-the-lack-of-foreign-tourists-live-streaming-from-pattaya-bars-online-is-rising-but-not-everyone-is-pleased/That is a very bad development, imo. You know how bars and restaurants post signs for their customers, "No Outside Food or Drink Allowed"? How about "No Outside Purchases of Commission LDs Allowed" for the bars.
Is it a go-go bar or an Internet Cafe for overseas lonelyhearts to pay hookers not to touch a penis?
Thanks JB. Reminded me of a report that I was supposed to write like 3 weeks ago. First let me quote this from the article you posted.
"It's working, also, at least at some bars. Some bars have even reportedly made thousands of US dollars and have huge dedicated audiences. A look through live chats can see some full of dozens to even hundreds of people from around the world interacting with girls, joking with them and sending them drinks, of which they get a commision, from around the world. ".
A chick I know that works on Soi 6 was having her birthday party so I went up to the bar to buy her a drink. There was another chick working there that was talking to a guy via video. In front of the chick I know and the other girl were a bunch of fucking drinks. Like 12 or so? She said that the guy on the video had bought them. No idea what payment method was used. In one of the pictures you can see the girl's cell phone standing up while she is on video with the dude.I stopped going to Soi 6 as a result of these live streams. I mean, the only reason you would be on Soi 6 is to pick up prostitutes and I don't really want my face being beamed around the world by several bars as I do that.
PedroMorales
10-15-20, 11:59
Thai hookers are early adapters. When smart phones first came in, the hookers were all over them trying out the different functions. Sex has always adapted. Sure, lament the old days when bareback was to be had for a nickel and you could do Europe on $5 a day, less if you joined the hundreds of thousands of Yanks who flooded into Paris in the 1920's, when you could pick yourself up a dose of the French Pox for less than the price of a hand-burger.
This is the new normal. Those who survive will do well in the new sanitised Pattaya and where family oriented tourists with big spending power can swan about looking at an emasculated Sodom and Gomorrah. Pattaya goes global. I am sure US strip joints will hit back. In the bigger scheme of things, this is no different from all those virtual influencers. It is better, in fact, as they are sahaking down Bob and other rich marshmallows.
Complaining about this is just a continuation of complaining about Japanese etc ruining it by overpaying.
Pattaya, like everywhere else, is being downsized.
That is a very bad development, imo. You know how bars and restaurants post signs for their customers, "No Outside Food or Drink Allowed"? How about "No Outside Purchases of Commission LDs Allowed" for the bars.
Is it a go-go bar or an Internet Cafe for overseas lonelyhearts to pay hookers not to touch a penis?
Member #4698
10-15-20, 12:11
In these trying times the bars and their girls are desperate, so I can understand why they are experimenting the live video feeds & long distance drink buys to stay alive, but this is a very dangerous road to go down which in the long run I believe will discourage business for the reasons stated. The key question is will the bars give up this supplemental revenue source once the border opens up again and business returns to near normal? All I know is that even with privacy protocols in place to protect the identity of customers, I will not go to any bar with concurrent live video feeds if for no other reason than it is a distraction for the girls. The customer in the bar must remain the sole focus of the girls or the venue will fail.
Open the border, Thailand!
SaranMonger31
10-15-20, 12:49
Thanks JB. Reminded me of a report that I was supposed to write like 3 weeks ago. First let me quote this from the article you posted.
"It's working, also, at least at some bars. Some bars have even reportedly made thousands of US dollars and have huge dedicated audiences. A look through live chats can see some full of dozens to even hundreds of people from around the world interacting with girls, joking with them and sending them drinks, of which they get a commision, from around the world. ".
A chick I know that works on Soi 6 was having her birthday party so I went up to the bar to buy her a drink. There was another chick working there that was talking to a guy via video. In front of the chick I know and the other girl were a bunch of fucking drinks. Like 12 or so? She said that the guy on the video had bought them. No idea what payment method was used. In one of the pictures you can see the girl's cell phone standing up while she is on video with the dude.Many bars posting there live stream in Facebook Live and they asking to buy online girl drinks through paypal.
Thai hookers are early adapters. When smart phones first came in, the hookers were all over them trying out the different functions. Sex has always adapted. Sure, lament the old days when bareback was to be had for a nickel and you could do Europe on $5 a day, less if you joined the hundreds of thousands of Yanks who flooded into Paris in the 1920's, when you could pick yourself up a dose of the French Pox for less than the price of a hand-burger.
This is the new normal. Those who survive will do well in the new sanitised Pattaya and where family oriented tourists with big spending power can swan about looking at an emasculated Sodom and Gomorrah. Pattaya goes global. I am sure US strip joints will hit back. In the bigger scheme of things, this is no different from all those virtual influencers. It is better, in fact, as they are sahaking down Bob and other rich marshmallows.
Complaining about this is just a continuation of complaining about Japanese etc ruining it by overpaying.
Pattaya, like everywhere else, is being downsized.Of course, sex will adapt, I will adapt and I will still get what I want and pay for no matter the technological advancement. Often even because of and thanks to the technological advancement.
If all bars, go-go bars and beer bars, go live stream and every girl in them makes a decent living off of 100+ commission Ladydrinks per day bought for them by computer bound lonelyhearts and wannabe White Knights around the globe providing no need for those girls to ever fuck, suck or even give a handjob to a customer again there will always be other venues and options to earn my recreational P4P time and money instead.
As there are already, made possible or at least easier to accomplish by technological advancement.
LittleBigMan
10-16-20, 02:09
Getting old and falling behind with technology? I grew up in the Porn era, anyone remember the Mitchell Brothers in San Francisco? Maybe getting old and being here live and in color is a blessing because I have no intention going back to visual porn or whatever they plan to call it today as being reported. What goes around comes around? Just like the Brick and Mortar stores slowly is coming back because there are people like myself if I'm going to pay for something especially sex I want to touch and feel even try on the product before paying. Just like Visual education it can be harmful?
GinAndTonic555
10-16-20, 02:32
I go down to Pattaya every once in awhile from BKK. I noticed soi 6 bars live streaming. Soi 6 used to be the ST street now its the spot for online live streams. Alot of these places the live stream is near the door and you can see customers walking in and some sitting in the bar.
I've actually decided to completely give up on Soi 6. Outside of the live streaming they also have more expensive drinks compared to other beer bars in other areas. If you want to LT a girl their barfines are more expensive than the best gogos in town which is LOL. They blare music when there's no customers in the place but you. They used to get a pass by me because they had great quality compared to any other daytime options. I've noticed now a lot of quality girls that were once on soi 6 moving to other bars in town. Also lets be honest girls on soi 6 take way more cock then girls anywhere else. The managers themselves get free reign to bang all the girls in other bars and put them through the famed NW training protocols.
At this point I'm voting with my wallet and won't be spending any money on the 6 and I know many guys in Pattaya who feel the same way. Nightwish put a monopoly on that road and watching them turn the street into a online live stream convention is the final straw for me. Plenty of other good options in Metro area, on the poon, and soi boomerang.
Banana Boi
10-16-20, 05:28
Many bars posting there live stream in Facebook Live and they asking to buy online girl drinks through paypal.
I noticed soi 6 bars live streaming.
Can you guys please provide us with some links to these bars doing Facebook Live.
I know many Soi 6 bars are on Facebook posting about how some Farang 1000s of miles away is buying 20+ drinks for a bar girl, some of which the Farang has never even met before. However, I have yet come across bars doing Facebook Live, not that I look often.
I have noticed a big uptick of girls popping up on the Thai cam girl sites. Most are not worth looking at and many ladyboys but there was one who was gogo girl quality cute. Unfortunately, she doesn't even go naked.
Banana Boi
10-16-20, 05:38
In these trying times the bars and their girls are desperate, so I can understand why they are experimenting the live video feeds & long distance drink buys to stay alive, but this is a very dangerous road to go down which in the long run I believe will discourage business for the reasons stated. The key question is will the bars give up this supplemental revenue source once the border opens up again and business returns to near normal? All I know is that even with privacy protocols in place to protect the identity of customers, I will not go to any bar with concurrent live video feeds if for no other reason than it is a distraction for the girls. I'm certain this will all disappear by the time we are allowed back in to Thailand. You are correct most guys won't go to bars where live streaming is active. I stopped going to a local strip club years ago when they decided that live streaming was a good idea. You could clearly see a guy's face sitting there in pervert's row.
GinAndTonic555
10-16-20, 05:53
Can you guys please provide us with some links to these bars doing Facebook Live.
I know many Soi 6 bars are on Facebook posting about how some Farang 1000s of miles away is buying 20+ drinks for a bar girl, some of which the Farang has never even met before. However, I have yet come across bars doing Facebook Live, not that I look often.
I have noticed a big uptick of girls popping up on the Thai cam girl sites. Most are not worth looking at and many ladyboys but there was one who was gogo girl quality cute. Unfortunately, she doesn't even go naked.If you go on facebook during open bar hours to either Wraith or Toybox they'll have the streams running. Other bars will too but I'm not sure which ones but check facebook and they'll have a little paypal for donations.
I stopped going to Soi 6 as a result of these live streams. I mean, the only reason you would be on Soi 6 is to pick up prostitutes and I don't really want my face being beamed around the world by several bars as I do that.They seem to be good at hiding a customer's face. Very empathetic. I still couldn't find the mentioned girls and their numbers. One set is from definitely from Pin Up, not sure about the others. I wonder if these are new talent or same girls pre COVID?
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f8839e2b505c
PedroMorales
10-16-20, 08:39
Scrolling through the posts, I can see how virtual is viable. The trike drives must think we are nuts paying a fortune to fly in and bonk their seconds. Some Yank in a flyover state with $50 or $100 burning a hole in his pocket might think being a big player in a virtual Soi 6 is being a high roller. Personally, I think gambling, never mind Las Vegas, is nuts. You do know people now bet big time on virtual horses, horses that are not real. Then you have all those virtual "games" where you can buy all kinds of virtual crap with real money.
Member #4733
10-16-20, 10:51
You're a romantic guy like I was 15 years ago.
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Last time, I was fucking a very sexy girl in Pattaya who is 21.
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After we spoke and she told me she has 5 boyfriends from many countries. Sorry to reply so late. I try to only read these stories in the weekend and most of times I succeed. I am not a very romantic guy. Sometimes I fall in love with a sex worker but I never gave them money beyond the rate for their sexual services. Except for a tip of a few euros. I do think that there are girls that fall in love with their customers too. And of course there are girls that try to take advantage of their customers. But I do think that especially a starting sex worker has a dream of a wealthy client who will take care of her. That happened to me too. One girl even stepped out of her room in Amsterdam and followed me on the street. And she was very popular with loads of money. Certainly not fighting for a customer. One other girl travelled 1000 kilometers because she had heard I would visit that particular SC in Germany that day. So, whatever you think, not all of them are lazy. I do think that you are right in many ways for many girls. But not all of them. I thought that maybe FL Hawk had met a girl that was really falling for him. Or put in a better way: she liked him best of all her customers and tried to enter into a relationship with him. That can be genuine. But it doesn't need to be so. After a girl has seen that her customer is into other girls as well, she might get disappointed and start to deceive her customers in a 'love for money' relationship. Just like a sponsor as you described. But by no means are all girls cheating. No way. One comment on your five sponsors at an age of 21. Of course that is possible in theory but it is not very likely. It seems a bit the same as the guy in a SC in Germany that claimed his roommate had five orgasms in a row. Only he believed that.
P. S: I never had a relationship with a sex worker. It came close once but I declined for social reasons. Too different from the rest of my life.
My memory of the events around this time period were a little hazy so I dug up the original Line messages from that time and found I made an error! I correctly said she quit the bar then left Pattaya to go home for a little bit, then she went to Bangkok and found work at the clothing store. She went back home for Lent with the intention of staying just a few days, but then she had the motorbike accident and could not immediately return and her job was terminated. So, when I previously got the cliffhanging message that she was leaving Bangkok to make money elsewhere, she was not then in Bangkok but still at home. I think the story will provide needed background information if I go back to the time following her accident and retrace the story from there.
So, after the accident, she started texting me more often as she was not busy with work so she had the time. Plus she was bored. And the longer she stayed home, the more worried she got as there was no money coming in and, I now know, she was facing a financial crisis point. I am withholding certain personal information about her, but she had made little money in the months of August and September, and now October was turning into a complete bust. I think she realized her going to Pattaya had been a horrible idea both economically as well as mentally, and she was now facing loss of the imminent loss of the family farm. Some of you seem to think BGs make a ton of money, but that is not always the case. Secret was not quite cut out for the work, and I never considered the bar she worked at to be especially popular. She went to the bar with the belief she would make a lot of money, but it really didn't work out so well.
We had plans to go to Phuket and Bangkok later in November. As she recovered during October we talked about the trip, which helped to get her mind of off her troubles. She was excited as this would be her first trip to Phuket and her first ride in an airplane. Other than Bangkok, her home province and now Pattaya, she had never traveled anywhere and, as she told me, she was afraid to travel alone. She told me that her mother told her of a close relative who met her husband in Phuket and wondered if Secret might find hers' there as well. That, and some other comments, showed she had some sort of feelings or hopes regarding me but, hey, we know that business comes before love so, despite some affections from her, I had not yet experienced her love, or at least a version of love that I, a westerner, understood it to be at the time. But without the distractions of work, she was actually being sweet to me with lots of messages exchanged, but never using the L word and never asking me for money. But time ticked on. I was waiting for us to meet again and spend more time together so I could assess our relationship. This was only two months after she (allegedly) stopped bar fining people so I was still on high alert for scams and for signs that she had other boyfriends.
As she healed, she said several times she needed to get back to Bangkok to work. But the rice harvest was approaching and she needed to stay home. Our trip to Phuket was about 2 weeks after that. I said I would pay her lost expenses and wages for the time we were together, but she had missed a significant portion of income. I was concerned she might cancel our trip as she could hardly go to Bangkok, find a job and then immediately ask for 2 weeks off. But she continued to say how much she looked forward to the vacation, and thoughts of the trip and what we would do seemed to comfort her. But was coming to the realization she was in a financial pickle and she pretty much kept it to herself.
When the harvest started, she told me that she would be returning to Bangkok to find work in a week. Soon after her texting frequency dropped dramatically. I knew something was up, though 2 days before she was to leave she told me how much she wanted to go to Phuket with me. On the day of her planned return to Bangkok I had not heard from her, so I texted her to ask if she was in Bangkok. That is when she told me she needed money and would not be going to Bangkok. This is where I left off last time.
Continuing on, I asked where she was going, if not Bangkok. Well, Pattaya, right? No, wrong. She was preparing to go to South Korea (SK)! She was going to make big money working on a vegetable farm for two years in order to finally pay off the farm once and for all, then buy some land and build a small house she had dreamed of for year, and finally have enough money to properly care for her family with some honor and dignity. She would be on a 2-year contact. At that time I was not aware of such work, but I have since learned SK is desperate for farm workers and that many Thais go there as the money is relatively good.
A local neighbor who had done farm work in SK before told her about the work and got her in touch with an agent. She had met with him and she was about ready to sign a contract and leave for SK, the farm being secured when she signed. She thanked me for the help I had provided and apologized for not be able to go to Phuket. She did not know if or when she might see me again (she felt I was going to dump her and never want to see or talk to her again). She was pretty distraught, but knew of no other way to extract herself from her financial predicament. Some of you will think she was faking it and out to scam me. Perhaps.
She was stoic about the whole thing and appeared resolute in her decision. I think she felt the money was too much to even think of asking me for help. She said this was something she had to do for her family, so she was going to do it. There was no crying, no pleading, not even a hint she was hoping I would step in and save the day. For her, if she did nothing, she land would be foreclosed and they would have to find another place the live. I will say again, this is a small family.
So, I have just been blindsided. Do I believe her? Is this a scam she is pulling to get my money by making me feel sorry for her? Was she really leaving Thailand and her family to go work on a vegetable farm? What do I do? What CAN I do? What should I do? I think I know what many of you would do! The question now is, what DID I do? And do I now have regrets? And, of course, what did SHE do? Did she run off to SK and that was the last we have seen of each other, or was she sent home due the virus and she contacted me and wants to get back together?
Mr Enternational
10-16-20, 23:30
Continuing on, I asked where she was going, if not Bangkok. Well, Pattaya, right? No, wrong. She was preparing to go to South Korea (SK)! She was going to make big money working on a vegetable farm for two yearsLOL. Seriously? She is about to go vegetable farming in the winter in South Korea? I have heard of chicks going there to work in massage parlors and chicks going there to be hookers, but never vegetable farming. What you describe is a chick that is about to get tricked into sex slavery. Never heard it from the vegetable farm angle though.
PedroMorales
10-16-20, 23:40
They seem to be good at hiding a customer's face. Very empathetic. I still couldn't find the mentioned girls and their numbers. One set is from definitely from Pin Up, not sure about the others. I wonder if these are new talent or same girls pre COVID?
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f8839e2b505cI clicked on your link. Interesting to see so many gals there though I am sure outside was empty. A link beneath it has an American woman selling small tubs (c 200 ML) of her urine for $1000 US. A real case of caveat emptor. I wouldn't pay $50 for her, yet some pathetic Bob out there.
............. I do think that there are girls that fall in love with their customers too. ............ That happened to me too. One girl even stepped out of her room in Amsterdam and followed me on the street. ............. One other girl travelled 1000 kilometers because she had heard I would visit that particular SC in Germany that day. ..........From my experience the working girls who seem most susceptible to falling in love with a customer are European girls. Many are good conversationalists and are quite willing to spend a lot of time chatting with you and not wanting to rush into the room.
Member #4698
10-17-20, 01:13
Was she really leaving Thailand and her family to go work on a vegetable farm? 'No offense intended, but you must be joking. So, this is the big decision you have been leading up to for god knows how long. You know, FL, I knew your story was BS when you did not tell it all in the first post. What a lot if endless dribble.
But getting down to cases: no Thai bar girl goes to Korea to work in the fields. That's hard-physical labor, in case you didn't know, and field hands are paid only a pittance. But all this is beside the point. I think you have been putting us on the whole time with a fake story that you made up for you own Corona amusement or maybe you are a fool. I give you credit for not being a fool, but either way, the joke is on you because most of us did not fall for your story from the 1st post on.
But I am a hopeless romantic at heart, so I hope real love wins in the end and you are now happily long distance engaged to your sweetheart and have transferred all your savings to Thailand so she could buy the family farm in her name. I can't wait to find out what happens next. Not really. 555. But keep going.
I think I will watch "Mesrine Part 2: Public Enemy #1" tonight. I saw "Mesrine Part 1: Killer Instinct" last night and it was pretty rock on. Now that crazy Frenchman can write!
So, I have just been blindsided. Do I believe her? Is this a scam she is pulling to get my money by making me feel sorry for her? Was she really leaving Thailand and her family to go work on a vegetable farm? What do I do? What CAN I do? What should I do? I think I know what many of you would do! The question now is, what DID I do? And do I now have regrets? And, of course, what did SHE do? Did she run off to SK and that was the last we have seen of each other, or was she sent home due the virus and she contacted me and wants to get back together?Long winded report.
Classic case of playing your brain. Promising but not providing. She has used every trick in the book to make you bite to offer her money. She has decided long time ago nothing with you to Phuket. Rest of the drama is to get money. When you did not bite last resort was going to South Korea ostensibly for a job which I think is fake.
Do not fall in love with a hooker. Hookers rarely make good companions for a resort trip unlike a GF. With wall to wall girls in Thailand just offer money to a girl to go with you or just go by yourself and there are plenty of girls in Phuket. Too many westerners are fooled by Asian bargirls. Just because they look and act innocent does not mean their brain is not scheming like any other girl all over the world.
It is more likely she is playing ten others the same game.
Yes, I have chatted and made friends with normal girls in Thailand and taken them to Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam. They do not need visas to go to those countries. But even a hint of playing games I would dump them in a heartbeat.
Gin And Tonic
10-17-20, 01:39
From my experience the working girls who seem most susceptible to falling in love with a customer are European girls. Many are good conversationalists and are quite willing to spend a lot of time chatting with you and not wanting to rush into the room.I had the misfortune of finding 2 ladies waiting for me when I moved to Pattaya after retiring. Somehow both thought I was going to set up house with them. One was a BabyDolls spinner I knew for 4 years. The other a freelancer from Si Racha who I had meet with her sister on my first trip 5 years earlier. I've often thought about what signal I might have given them but can't come up with anything. It wasn't fun bursting their fantasies.
Mr Enternational
10-17-20, 02:07
Too many westerners are fooled by Asian bargirls. Just because they look and act innocent does not mean their brain is not scheming like any other girl all over the world.Maybe hookers can change their spots. A hooker that I mess with just posted yesterday that she got her ceritfication to do nails. And this chick has been to jail for prostitution in like 5 different countries and is only 25. I can admit that she really is a sweet girl. Total GFE. And I pay her way less than she gets at that damn gogo.
Banana Boi
10-17-20, 05:45
She was preparing to go to South Korea (SK)! She was going to make big money working on a vegetable farm for two years
FL, as Mr. E mentioned 0% chance Secret was going to Korea to work on a vegetable farm. Seoul and Busan are two prime hot spots where Thai girls go work. I know close to 50 gogo, Soi 6, Thermae, and massage girls who have gone to work in Korea since I have met them. Some end up in jail, some can't cut it in Korea because they don't have the right look, and some just miss Thai food and their Thai boyfriend and come home.
From my experience the working girls who seem most susceptible to falling in love with a customer are European girls. How many FKK girls end up falling in love and living with a stereotypical FKK customer? They're not leaving their Romanian boyfriends to go with a 60+ year old Farang unless he has millions and is willing to freely share it.
LOL. Seriously? She is about to go vegetable farming in the winter in South Korea? I have heard of chicks going there to work in massage parlors and chicks going there to be hookers, but never vegetable farming. What you describe is a chick that is about to get tricked into sex slavery. Never heard it from the vegetable farm angle though.Another new metaphor 'work in vegetable farm' - kind of descriptive actually. Work in big cucumber farm, trying to collect as many as she can every day.
Kind of comparable to what riends of mine used say, to go play golf for long weekends in pattaya from cold winter of Beijing. Some wives actually believed for a while.
From my experience the working girls who seem most susceptible to falling in love with a customer are European girls. Many are good conversationalists and are quite willing to spend a lot of time chatting with you and not wanting to rush into the room.I know of a Belgian Jew who fell for a Thai woman. He was the owner of a well established shipping company based in Hong Kong. When he died he left all his assets worth few hundred million dollars to the Thai lady and her two daughters.
Member #4733
10-17-20, 09:35
What do I do? What CAN I do? What should I do? I think I know what many of you would do!Well, for anyone who doesn't believe the story about South Korea, I could ask "Under what stone did you lie the last 30 years or so". There has been a mass transfer of labour around the world. With North Koreans working virtually anywhere to supply for the Missile program. But that's another story. Thais too work abroad, e. G. In Sweden! Only lately I saw a documentary showing their bad circumstances. Some years they do well, picking cherries in the forests. Some years they do not so well. If you enter in a bad year than you might not even be able to pay the trip to and from Sweden with your earnings. So, you actually lose money!
So is it possible in South Korea? The net is your friend. Just translate "vegetable farm in South Korea" to Thai and search the net. This site comes up and it has a combined address with Latin and Thai characters, so it is coded. Otherwise simply repeat my steps. It is not so difficult.
https://anriintern.com/%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B9%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%88%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A2%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%94%E0%B9%89/
I am a bit flabbergasted at some comments here that state Secret is the real BG. Or that FL Hawk is just making things up. If you look at it from the point of view of Secret the story totally makes sense. And Bravo for Hawk to stay so objective about his own story. What I do see is a girl in financial need and desperate to hold on to her farm. If you have studied this phenomenon to some depth than you know that there is a big difference between farmers that do have land of their own and those that have not. The latter become very poor with very few opportunities. They most often have to beg for work. So to me it seems Secret is struggling to hold on to her farm. She has several options. One of them is going to Pattaya and trying to earn enough money. Another is opting for a rich foreigner. She chooses the one she likes best. But she just works down her options and if she reports hardship without Hawk offering money she needs to look for another way. Her next option is to work abroad and has chosen South Korea. I wonder whether that works out fine. South Koreans are quite OK but not filantropists. With Covid-19 coming up she might just be in the wrong time of the year. Then she might lose her farm and be doomed to extreme poverty.
So, is Secret a desperate girl at the verge of collapse. Yes, very likely. Is she hedging her bets with Hawk being one one of those? Yes, most certainly. Is she still a decent girl and not outright asking for money? Well, probably. A westerner might have liked her to be more forthcoming about her intentions: saving the farm.
Would I pay her debts if I had been Hawk. Yes, if I really liked her and the debt was still in reasonable comparison to my money. But I would have her write an IOU for the same amount. As stated before that is not a likely situation as I like a lot of girls that are sex workers but I have never met one that could hold my attention in a conversation for much more than half an hour. In my mind there is a strong foreboding that this is not going to end well for a nice girl. Then her only option is becoming a hardened BG and probably failing at that too.
Do not fall in love with a hooker. Hookers rarely make good companions for a resort trip unlike a GF. With wall to wall girls in Thailand just offer money to a girl to go with you or just go by yourself and there are plenty of girls in Phuket. Too many westerners are fooled by Asian bargirls. Just because they look and act innocent does not mean their brain is not scheming like any other girl all over the world.
It is more likely she is playing ten others the same game.You need to remember his first posts about that girl to understand why he kept seeing her and finally (maybe) fell in love with her. And once emotions get involved, logical thinking doesn't prevail and guys won't listen when you tell them to not fall in love with a hooker.
Not all of these girls are good at getting sponsors, some of them doesn't have any and aren't doing anything in order to get one.
..................How many FKK girls end up falling in love and living with a stereotypical FKK customer? They're not leaving their Romanian boyfriends to go with a 60+ year old Farang............Not many 60+ year old mongers want to marry an FKK girl either.
Tried to read the forum but there seems to be way too many debates going on about other stuff.
Lived in BKK for a few months now and love going to Nana plaza to stare at all the titties and occasionally take some hottie for a ST at the nearest hotel, while the missus is at home watching Netflix.
We're taking our first trip up to Pattaya. How is business these days? Has Covid shut most things off or are we all back to normal now?
Was looking to take a trip down to either Honey 2 or Sabai Dee, any recommendations on which one is best?
Also looking for any recommendations for gogos on or near walking street during the week as we'll be heading back to BKK before Friday.
What's the deal with the ST hotels there? Can obviously bring anyone back to me hotel room.
Cheers lads.
PedroMorales
10-17-20, 17:49
"Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUy2Wx_r0_w
But even a hint of playing games I would dump them in a heartbeat.
Tried to read the forum but there seems to be way too many debates going on about other stuff.
Lived in BKK for a few months now and love going to Nana plaza to stare at all the titties and occasionally take some hottie for a ST at the nearest hotel, while the missus is at home watching Netflix.
We're taking our first trip up to Pattaya. How is business these days? Has Covid shut most things off or are we all back to normal now?
Was looking to take a trip down to either Honey 2 or Sabai Dee, any recommendations on which one is best?
Also looking for any recommendations for gogos on or near walking street during the week as we'll be heading back to BKK before Friday.
What's the deal with the ST hotels there? Can obviously bring anyone back to me hotel room.
Cheers lads.It doesn't make much sense to go from Bangkok to Pattaya for a massage parlour because there are more and better ones in Bangkok. The best gogos in Pattaya have reopened now, with Pin-up being the top one.
You lost coherence with the hotel question. Please try again.
Would I pay her debts if I had been Hawk. Yes, if I really liked her and the debt was still in reasonable comparison to my money. But I would have her write an IOU for the same amount. As stated before that is not a likely situation as I like a lot of girls that are sex workers but I have never met one that could hold my attention in a conversation for much more than half an hour. In my mind there is a strong foreboding that this is not going to end well for a nice girl. Then her only option is becoming a hardened BG and probably failing at that too.You got it exactly right Dio. I am glad I am getting through to someone here! Thank you for your comments.
FL, as Mr. E mentioned 0% chance Secret was going to Korea to work on a vegetable farm. Seoul and Busan are two prime hot spots where Thai girls go work. I know close to 50 gogo, Soi 6, Thermae, and massage girls who have gone to work in Korea since I have met them. Some end up in jail, some can't cut it in Korea because they don't have the right look, and some just miss Thai food and their Thai boyfriend and come home.
How many FKK girls end up falling in love and living with a stereotypical FKK customer? They're not leaving their Romanian boyfriends to go with a 60+ year old Farang unless he has millions and is willing to freely share it.Banana Boi stated it right that many just can't adapt to life in Korea or Japan and come home pretty quickly after a short tour of duty. Not getting used to the food seems to be a genuine issue. Took a ridiculously hot Thai girl to Japan once and by the second day she was driving me crazy as she had to eat Thai food and was just picking away and looking at fantastic Japanese food like it was a pile of dog crap.
However I know one particular girl from Baccara Pattaya (one of the most popular ones there), that has stayed in Japan for close to a year now and looks like she has made some genuine real coin during her stint there. I would honestly say that she represents the 10% to 20% who succeed. The rest come back with less money than they started with.
Banana Boi
10-18-20, 03:21
I am a bit flabbergasted at some comments here that state Secret is the real BG. Or that FL Hawk is just making things up.I know who Secret is and live through the Secret saga in real time when FL is in town.
You got it exactly right Dio. I am glad I am getting through to someone here! Thank you for your comments.FL Hawk, regardless how it turned out or will turn out for you, there are special times in our lives after lo' so many years and experiences where it only makes sense for our peace of mind and the greater good to just pay the damn money and see what happens. Yes, the inarguable pattern is 99% of the time the obvious thing will happen; she'll take the money and run.
But after living here almost 8 years and sessioning with hundreds of different hookers, I have met 2 and only 2 girls in the business who touched my heart, mind and body enough to entertain a serious thought of helping them with money to get out of the business and start a new relatively non sex-based line of work.
One was just about a month ago. An absolutely star quality favorite repeat regular of mine for almost a year who is pushing 30, was never at a loss to get a customer if one is around but knows her bargirl days are numbered and was not seeing an end to the downward tourism spiral anytime soon.
So she had this big plan to open some food carts in certain areas of Bangkok, a type of business she knew about from her family being involved in it and could I please lend her 20,000 baht to get her started. She could stop working in a bar and loved me so much she fully intended to continue seeing me every week forever and ever. You know the drill.
However, this time, all things considered, the current bar scene circumstances and, honestly, that I only had this much feeling for 2 out of hundreds of girls I'd known since moving here and that the cost to me for our many times together had not been all that much anyway, I agreed with no more than a moment's hesitation.
I gave her the money. A few days later she sent me a photo of some food cart somewhere and has gone Missing In Action for at least 4 weeks ever since. LOL.
But I don't regret it for one second because I knew the alternative in THIS case was not an option. Sure, I miss her but not too seriously so. And I am not the least bit surprised that she took the money and ran.
But what would still be spinning around in my brain if I had NOT given this particular girl the 20,000 baht she asked me for and then she still went M.I.A., which she most certainly would have done? I would have the thought stuck somewhere in my head that but for 20,000 baht, a relatively insignificant amount of money to me, that girl would have had a chance at a better future and I might still be fucking her every week or two (along with covering ongoing business expenses, I know. LOL).
To KNOW with certainty that she was really only hitting me up for "Bye-Bye Money" on the way out the door and on her way back to her baby girl in Isaan, her Thai boyfriend, family, whatever and all that is well worth 20,000 baht to me vs being left with the idea that I missed an opportunity to do something meaningful for someone I had and still have special feelings for and rewarding to me for the cost of 5 middling go-go bargirl sessions.
If this kind of thing came up every other month or if much more serious money was on the line, it would have been a very different story and I would feel bad about it. But not in this case. I am comfortable in the knowledge that I did what was best for my peace of mind.
Maybe your situation with Secret is similar. If we were crazy old fools falling for young girls to this degree with big money on the line all the time, that's one thing. But if you find yourself with strong feelings about any girl, rare feelings at truly rare times and the amount of money would not change your life one way or the other, not paying the damn money to see what happens just on principle or as a hard, inflexible rule might be the worse option.
Member #4733
10-18-20, 10:01
I know who Secret is and live through the Secret saga in real time when FL is in town.Yes, but that doesn't mean you understood her well. Doesn't mean that I did either. But 0% is quite a small number. You seem to know that she went to be a sex worker. Maybe other girls did so. But it is just as likely that she went to work on a vegetable farm. Here is a link of (part) of the documentary I saw about Sweden. Not that long and quite informative. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW1QWG3xSNg. And here is a link about it still going on: https://scandasia.com/thais-can-pick-berries-in-sweden/. Your comment was not that flabbergasting to me as others were, by the way.
At ET Thanks for a nice story once again.
Member #4733
10-18-20, 10:04
You got it exactly right Dio. I am glad I am getting through to someone here! Thank you for your comments.I learned about family relations in Third World countries from an economic perspective and years later from a social perspective. Your story is the first that 'brought these classes together'. Refreshing my knowledge. Thanks. Hope you are well.
Maybe your situation with Secret is similar. If we were crazy old fools falling for young girls to this degree with big money on the line all the time, that's one thing. But if you find yourself with strong feelings about any girl, rare feelings at truly rare times and the amount of money would not change your life one way or the other, not paying the damn money to see what happens just on principle or as a hard, inflexible rule might be the worse option.You would be correct. You are a good man.
I know who Secret is and live through the Secret saga in real time when FL is in town.Haha. You were a patient wing man my friend.
Mr Enternational
10-20-20, 02:10
I stole a couple of my buddy's pictures to show how the livesteam is going. Computers and internet have made this world go crazy. I guess they no longer want customers to be physically at the bar. Virtual customers only. LOL.
Banana Boi
10-20-20, 04:59
Why is the bar all curtained off?
Some may not know this but Walking Street had live streaming from 2015 to 2018. Not sure if it's still up. LK Metro has had it as well but it's been down since the lockdown.
I stole a couple of my buddy's pictures to show how the livesteam is going. Computers and internet have made this world go crazy. I guess they no longer want customers to be physically at the bar. Virtual customers only. LOL.I spent 10 minutes watching a live stream from a soi 6 bar on YouTube and it was just depressing. The only comprehensible thing they said was "thank you ka" and they repeatedly all chanted together "ring a bell! Ring a bell!" And they were clearly drinking water but pretending they were tequila shots.
There really do seem to be enough sad wankers in the world to pay for this shit so I think it will continue. However, I don't think it will continue in bar areas because some entrepreneur could just set up some out of town studio made to look like a bar and save on overheads.
I stole a couple of my buddy's pictures to show how the livesteam is going. Computers and internet have made this world go crazy. I guess they no longer want customers to be physically at the bar. Virtual customers only. LOL.Is the dude sitting alone at the bar with none of the girls even looking at him also live streaming the girls at that place?
Member #4667
10-20-20, 13:13
Is the dude sitting alone at the bar with none of the girls even looking at him also live streaming the girls at that place?He probably is the manager, and in regards to the post before this "sad wankers" are the eternal bane to all of us. This includes the sad wankers who fall in love with bar girls and take them back to the west or send them allowance, or sad wankers who feel they need to pay more in order to be able to compete with the non sad non wankers. They have always been there, just this mutation is the worse as these sad wankers get literally nothing for their spent dollars euros pounds etc.
Danny Duck
10-20-20, 19:18
Is the dude sitting alone at the bar with none of the girls even looking at him also live streaming the girls at that place?I hear internet may be turned off soon. Something about protests. LOL.
HorseTrader
10-20-20, 19:44
I spent 10 minutes watching a live stream from a soi 6 bar on YouTube and it was just depressing. The only comprehensible thing they said was "thank you ka" and they repeatedly all chanted together "ring a bell! Ring a bell!" And they were clearly drinking water but pretending they were tequila shots.
There really do seem to be enough sad wankers in the world to pay for this shit so I think it will continue. However, I don't think it will continue in bar areas because some entrepreneur could just set up some out of town studio made to look like a bar and save on overheads.I've watched this craziness a few minutes each of the last 3 days. I jump from bar to bar and I cannot say if it is more pathetic from the girls' end or the men's end. I'm surprised that anybody buys a drink, but it happens more than I would have expected. 150 baht per drink. I get bored watching after about 2 minutes per bar. I don't see the point from a man's perspective. I guess the girls just don't have a better option to earn money.
I never heard the bell ring, but one girl quoted 2500 baht to ring the bell.
I didn’t watch long enough to see if private video sessions exist, but I suspect that can be arranged. From what I’ve seen, the girl quality is typical of Soi 6.
GinAndTonic555
10-21-20, 00:36
Buddy in Pattaya shared a clip from a now deleted stream on Wraiths website. Some cute girl has 4 shots of tequila. A overweight guy comes over and starts grabbing her boobs and hanging on her in front of the camera. He then grabs one of the tequilas takes a smell and goes "its water its fkn water". Video now deleted haha. Like of course it was water.
Mr Enternational
10-21-20, 01:45
Buddy in Pattaya shared a clip from a now deleted stream on Wraiths website. If you mean Wrath Bar, that is where the original pictures were from when I first posted about the guy buying drinks while not physically there. I did taste the drinks and it was watered down apple juice. Whenever I buy a chick a drink in a bar it is always Sangsom on the rocks, the same thing I am drinking. They do not get to choose one of those bullshit lady drinks.
Buddy in Pattaya shared a clip from a now deleted stream on Wraiths website. Some cute girl has 4 shots of tequila. A overweight guy comes over and starts grabbing her boobs and hanging on her in front of the camera. He then grabs one of the tequilas takes a smell and goes "its water its fkn water". Video now deleted haha. Like of course it was water.A girl in AC bar told me if they choose fruit juice as a lady drink she will get higher cut of money. I guess if they choose water it will be more money for her.
He probably is the manager, and in regards to the post before this "sad wankers" are the eternal bane to all of us. This includes the sad wankers who fall in love with bar girls and take them back to the west or send them allowance, or sad wankers who feel they need to pay more in order to be able to compete with the non sad non wankers. They have always been there, just this mutation is the worse as these sad wankers get literally nothing for their spent dollars euros pounds etc.Well, if you're in the US the choice is to sadly wank or to sadly bang stout hookers. Seeing that we're all concerned about expenditure, wanking is cheaper.
Dudes, enough about buying LDs over the internet! Haha.
OK, Secret said she is going to S. Korea under a 2-year contract to work on a vegetable farm and make enough money to pay off the farm to provide a better life for her family. She feels she has no other options as the bank is about to foreclose after giving her extra time months earlier. My first thoughts are of concern for her. I mean, I like this woman. I was looking forward to going to Phuket with her in just a few weeks and now that won't happen. I feel sick in the stomach and blindsided. I knew something was up as she had gone dark on me, but going to SK in a few days, maybe to never see or speak to me again? And to go work on a farm? Really? Am I missing something here? (duh, probably!
To accept this story and what she is supposedly about to do, you have to accept that she is a proud woman, perhaps ashamed that she degraded herself to go work in Pattaya. Add that she failed to make the money she had expected to make there, and since I had not been helping her, her only remaining option was to go to SK to do, well, whatever she is going to do. Ask me for help? Well, from her standpoint, if I actually cared and wanted to help, I would have recognized her plight and would have offered to help weeks ago. But I did not offer any help. I was still not sure I could trust her to simply give her money, though had she first discussed this with me several weeks earlier, I may have. But she did not and now she had run out of options.
She did not want to talk about her decision at first, but I said she owed me an explanation and she began to give me the details. She did not volunteer any information, but she replied to every question I had without fumbling, which was a good sign. Over the hours, I became convinced she was being mostly truthful. We discussed details and she sent some photos of some documents I was partially able to decipher, so she was at least willing to go into the details and provide some backup into her decision. But she was pretty resolute about her need to go as it was what she "had to do". She was quite stoic in saying this was the only solution for her needs. She looked at how much she would make over a 2-year period and how that would transform her family. She may have been trying to make me understand why she had to go and that regardless of how she felt about me or even herself or of the work that she would be doing, her family's needs came first and she did not want to burden me with her hardships. She felt responsible for the fate of her family and if she had to go to SK, then SK she would go. But I knew that she would be in for a horrible experience. Could I let her go? Could I even stop her now? I owed her nothing at that point, but I could easily afford to help her and I had said she was "special", so was it time for me to prove it and do something to help her, or might it be best for me to take this opportunity to walk away?
She had explained the entire deal to me. She was not just packing a bag and flying to SK. Oh no. A neighbor who had worked in SK got her in contact with an agent, and she had been working with him this last week, working out a deal. It was a bit complicated but made sense, though he was certainly exploiting her desperation. I mostly believed her story. You can disagree with me, and I could write pages here to relate what she told me and why I believe, but many of you will still disagree and repeat yet again we can't trust BGs and are absolute fools to do to, and besides I am making everything up and droning on too long, so I won't bother. Haha.
And as I said earlier, I like this woman. I am not sure why necessarily, but I do. Foolish? Of course, but I decided that I did not want her to leave. I was really scared for her. We had shared thousands of text messages and we got to know a lot about each other and this was a good woman who needed some help. If I could drop some money to keep her in Thailand and thus keep the Phuket trip alive, I decided I was willing to do that. She felt there were no options. But no contract had yet been signed nor am I exactly poor, so of course there were options.
Now, I had been assuming that she truly was going to SK. But the other possibility was that the entire trip to SK was a scam and she never had any intentions of going. If I went along with it, she could get money to 'save the farm' and still go to Phuket. If I didn't fall for it and not offer to send money, she could later claim the deal for SK fell through and we could still go to Phuket, and she could still ask for money in the meantime, though not as much. Such a scam was a real possibility and one I considered. It was only after going into the details of the agreement she was about to sign did I come to dismiss it. I cannot prove 100% she was not scamming me, but months later I found her social media page and right there, days before we were having this discussion, she had a post telling everyone she was going to Korea. (Was this, too, part of the scam? A fake post for me to possibly discover? No. If she was thinking about me reading her social media a year ago there would be subsequent posts that she would NOT have made! Haha I may bring up a few later on.).
I just had to figure out what her financial requirements for the immediate future were. And it was simple – she had to pay the current mortgage that was due in 10 days! And do that 5 more times in subsequent months. Pay six times on time and the mortgage is paid! It only gets complicated if you have to bring in an exploitative, greedy agent and a contract.
I did have the money to pay. A negligible amount for me, a life changing event for her if she agreed to my help. I felt I knew her fairly well. I knew she was big on loyalty and keeping promises. So to get her attention away from what she felt she HAD to do, I said, "You told me would you go to Phuket with me next month then go on a cruise with me in April. I have spent money on reservations and plan. Don't break your promises to me. I can help you. " She said "No one can pay for me. ".
If she was scamming me, she would likely jump at any offer I made to give her a bunch of money. But rather than ask me how much money I would give her, the question was, "How will you help me?
I replied that I could pay it all for her if she would keep her word to me. What then happened? She was hesitant. She told me she would need the first payment to the bank by the 5th. Could I do that? I said that I could. She said she was to sign the contract with that dude in just a few days, kind of implying if she trusted me to send the money and I didn't, she might lose it all. I said yes, I can get her the first payment on time. As she contemplated this new option, she started to open up a bit. She said "I am afraid of traveling. I can't think of anything else to do. " (And I knew she was thusly afraid as we had talked about this months earlier.) She asked what I wanted from her to do this, not a question I would have expected from one simply out for money and looking to run away with it. I said she only had to do what we had already planned to do, namely for her to go to Phuket with me in November and take a cruise with me from Singapore next April.
It did take her a while to accept my offer. I think she was very aware that she had to trust me entirely, but it was trust me now or go to SK. But she knew me and I had yet to let her down, so she did agree. She cancelled with the agent, I sent her the first payment, she paid it to the bank (I presumed) and we begin to finalize our plans for Phuket.
So with Secret safely at home, will we meet up in Bangkok and fly off to Phuket in a few more weeks? And, if so, can we stand being around each other nearly 24 hours a day for nearly 2 weeks? Or, if not, did she take my money and still run off to SK or simply feel I was not an easy target for money and it was best to move on? Haha Sooooo many possibilities.
Dudes, enough about buying LDs over the internet! Haha.
I did have the money to pay. A negligible amount for me, a life changing event for her if she agreed to my help.
If she was scamming me, she would likely jump at any offer I made to give her a bunch of money. But rather than ask me how much money I would give her, the question was, "How will you help me?
.Looks like you still have not got over this woman. She scammed you. Plain and simple. All the money is hard earned and it is valuable. Do not justify her actions. Obviously you are not the only person she scammed.
I too got scammed once. I sent 400 pesos fare to a girl for transportation. Did it bother me? Ofcourse! She continued to give lots of reasons why she could not come and there was no way she could give the money back.
Just move on and chalk this up to experience. Do not get scammed again.
Do not fall in love with hookers.
PedroMorales
10-22-20, 00:26
Do not fall in love with hookers.One of the worst things about SE Asia is bar bores who won't stfu about "their" women. Good post but God, that guy is a bore.
Member #4698
10-22-20, 00:44
I still don't get it. So, the broad was going to South Korea on a sex junket. What's the big deal. Lots of girls go to South Korea, Japan, Singapore to "work". Then they return to Thailand with money and happy memories or they are fleeced and taken advantage of. Either way they return and you can pick up where you left off.
My Mini has been to Japan several times. One winter she sent me pics of herself on skis at a real nice resort near Mt Fuji. She was having fun. I met Atomic on the night she returned to RB4 after a long trip to Japan. She said she liked Japan and she had met her at the time American boyfriend in Tokyo. A boyfriend means he gets it for free while I pay Atomic, so by definition, I am not her boyfriend, thank Buddha, but I still love her, ha ha. I just don't want to own her, change her, or be responsible for her. On several different occasions she forgot to turn off her cell phone and a different boyfriend tried to call while we were shagging. She let the phone ring and called him back later after we were done and while I was relaxing smokin' a Cohiba on the balcony. I could hear her make up excuses as to why she did not answer his call. Then she would join me on the balcony and we would laugh and talk about it.
But getting down to your case: I still don't see what the big deal was. You liked the girl before South Korea, so why can't you like the girl after South Korea? Same girl except you fucked things up by bringing emotional BS into the relationship. Now, thanks to your bungling, she has lied to you and she has conned you out of some money. Now that she knows you can be had, it won't stop. The relationship is shot in and it is your fault. Oh well, live and learn. There are always another 100 girls right around the corner just your type. But next time don't blow it! Or blow it if that's what turns you on. It is entirely up to you.
Banana Boi
10-22-20, 05:08
I just had to figure out what her financial requirements for the immediate future were. And it was simple she had to pay the current mortgage that was due in 10 days! And do that 5 more times in subsequent months. Pay six times on time and the mortgage is paid! That's all she needed? 6 months mortgage payments? I would have paid that for someone I truly like in a heartbeat, whether she is a bargirl or a civilian girl making 300 baht per day. I'm assuming mortgage payments in North Thailand aren't huge.
Curious as to how much she was told she was going to make in Korea as a farmer?
FLHawk.
Send her the dang money! Shit, how the hell did you make it in life? Analysis paralysis at its finest.
Or, if not, did she take my money and still run off to SK or simply feel I was not an easy target for money and it was best to move on? Haha Sooooo many possibilities.Your posts and the story about that girl are showing that you are an easy target for money.
FLHawk.
I haven't being paying attention.
When did all this happen?
Has she got a passport?
Why didn't you just take her to South Korea and verify the story?
HorseTrader
10-22-20, 16:12
OK, Secret said she is going to S. Korea under a 2-year contract to work on a vegetable farm and make enough money to pay off the farm to provide a better life for her family.I have no idea what Secret is thinking at this point, but I couldn't dismiss her stated plan because it's a realistic way to make some money
Right now I have a Thai lady friend who is in Europe working in the food service industry, she started in June 2019 and expects to return to Thailand in July 2021. Weekly video chats indicate she is doing well and that she sends good chunks of money to Thailand. That system works for her. I have another Thai lady friend who hasn't worked since April and is considering doing something similar. Both of these ladies were hotties 10 years ago but are now past their Nana Plaza P4P sell by dates (both still look good enough for Soi 6).
Unless FL Hawk is ready to marry Secret, it seems to me that the best approach might be to buy her a bottle of sunscreen and say goodbye. Find someone else for the Phuket trip.
I'm guessing that the Thai farm has been in the family for many years. It seems a bit curious that this is the moment they are about to lose the farm with only 6 remaining payments. I don't know anything about the Thai mortgage system, but I'd raise the BS flag on that.
Mr Enternational
10-22-20, 16:53
I'm guessing that the Thai farm has been in the family for many years. It seems a bit curious that this is the moment they are about to lose the farm with only 6 remaining payments. I don't know anything about the Thai mortgage system, but I'd raise the BS flag on that.Well what fucks my mind is that this is supposed to be a collective culture, but some always seem to be in need. You got 18 mfs living in the house. You mean to tell me you can't find a way to get 100 baht each? Even consider their other family members and friends. They can't take up a collection to save the farm? Even they could go to their facebook and get 50 baht from everybody on their friends list.
In the Black American community in the 60's and 70's if someone could not come up with their payment they would have what is called a rent party. Everyone came to a party at the house and paid an entrance fee, therefore they would have the money for the rent.
PedroMorales
10-22-20, 17:04
I'm guessing that the Thai farm has been in the family for many years. It seems a bit curious that this is the moment they are about to lose the farm with only 6 remaining payments. I don't know anything about the Thai mortgage system, but I'd raise the BS flag on that.That bore deserves whatever he gets. A real case of being off his meds. How is the horse trading? I missed out on the fairs over summer.
Danny Duck
10-22-20, 17:22
Is secret facially challenge, perhaps a 4 or 5?
I'm pretty sure the good lookers know they going to Korea to provide Sex.
German Man
10-22-20, 19:02
FL, I am following your story with great interest. It doesn't provide any insight in prices and services, but it definitely is a good piece of writing and very entertaining to read. The best stories are written by real life.
It's also interesting for me because a similar story happened to me. It was in a different country and the lady I*met was a freebie who looked for casual sex. Not sure how the Secret story will end, but like in your story, unexpected things happened in my story. It is still ongoing so I*might publish it at some time, but I am not a good writer like you. Keep up the good work!
Danny Duck
10-23-20, 05:55
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Member #4733
10-23-20, 11:50
Well what fucks my mind is that this is supposed to be a collective culture, but some always seem to be in need. You got 18 mfs living in the house. You mean to tell me you can't find a way to get 100 baht each? Even consider their other family members and friends. They can't take up a collection to save the farm? Even they could go to their facebook and get 50 baht from everybody on their friends list.
In the Black American community in the 60's and 70's if someone could not come up with their payment they would have what is called a rent party. Everyone came to a party at the house and paid an entrance fee, therefore they would have the money for the rent.It seems you know about collective culture and the rent party is definitely new to me. Thanks. But whatever the outcome of Hawk's story, it is possible to borrow money and have the farm as a collateral. That would apply especially to a situation where the sum is too large or the season is not good for asking money from your friends. For example the time that you have to pay things for your farm, like seed and fertilizer. That comes for all the community in the exactly same time. You could call such a loan by the bank a mortgage. So, what is new.
At Hawk.
If the sum is so little to you, why not just give her the money. You like her. You would act according to your own goodness of heart. And not to this distrust that seems to trickle into your story all the time. Even if you still don't trust her you could just ask an IOU that is verified. If you can put that into a legal document you could sell it. Probably lose a bit on it's default value, but so what. But thanks for the update. It remains a nice story.
ChuchoLoco
10-23-20, 15:37
Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.
The long part of the flight is across the ocean. You can't break that up. You can have a layover in Qatar or taiwan or somewhere like that. But I would rather just tough it up and take the long flight at once and be over with it. A layover seems like a waste of time unless you really want to visit there.
Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.
ChuchoLoco
10-23-20, 21:19
The long part of the flight is across the ocean. You can't break that up. You can have a layover in Qatar or taiwan or somewhere like that. But I would rather just tough it up and take the long flight at once and be over with it. A layover seems like a waste of time unless you really want to visit there.Thanks Horatio. I have gotten very antsy on flights as I age. I would need a sleeping pill or tranq to make it. The stops you mentioned would even be too far. My problem though. Will see if I can get the right meds and make a decision.
Thanks again.
Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.You can incorporate this one into your flight legs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Hopper.
Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.If you can be flexable on when you can travel and search daily you can usually find a round trip business class seat for around $3000. This will allow you to lay flat and sleep for most of the flight. Of course this was my experience pre-covid. Who knows what it will be like when things open back up. I just hope we get all the direct flights back we had from Houston. I loved flying the non-stop on Air China from IAH to PEK. Lots of connections from PEK and if I wanted to lay over it wasn't hard to find a cutie to play with and help with the jet lag.
Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.Long non stop flights are cheaper. Otherwise you need to buy multi city tickets. Some airlines allow free stopover at their home airports. Those cannot be booked online. Need to use travel agents.
I have done many multi city flights so that I can visit as many countries as possible mostly for sightseeing. I like long flight to Asia and hop short flights to nearby destinations. If you go to middleast via Turkish, Emirates, Qatar etc that will be two long flights.
When you travel to Asia you still need couple of days to recuperate before indulging in our hobby fully.
ChuchoLoco
10-24-20, 01:47
Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.Thanks everyone! All great answers from obviously experienced travellers.
Mr Enternational
10-24-20, 02:41
Thanks Horatio. I have gotten very antsy on flights as I age. I would need a sleeping pill or tranq to make it. The stops you mentioned would even be too far. My problem though. Will see if I can get the right meds and make a decision.You better be careful taking that shit. You didn't see the story of the preacher that peed on the girl in the plane the other night?
You better be careful taking that shit. You didn't see the story of the preacher that peed on the girl in the plane the other night?Depends. I mean he can use depends with his meds!
Has anyone broken up the long flight into 2 or 3 shorter legs with overnight layover? Would love to go but don't think I could handle the long flight.You can hop flights to Honolulu, Guam to Asia.
Long non stop flights are cheaper. Otherwise you need to buy multi city tickets. Some airlines allow free stopover at their home airports. Those cannot be booked online. Need to use travel agents. You can book stopovers through some airline websites. I've done it many times with Thai and Singapore Airlines. You need to choose the multi-city option when you book.
Member #4698
10-24-20, 03:09
(I originally posted this reply in the General section, but since everyone is replying here I have re-posted it over here where it is in context with the current conversation).
I used to enjoy laying over for a couple of nights in Amsterdam on my way to and from Thailand. I liked the Coffee shops, walking around the red light districts, and then doing the shop girls stoned on Nederhash. I have not flown the trans-European route in a long time, ultimately preferring the longer trans-Pacific no layover route, but I am sure that post pandemic USA-AMS-BKK flights will be available again. The shortest duration USA trans-pacific route is to either Manila or Hong Kong. Hong Kong sucks now and I will never lay over there again, but Manila is a great place to stop off for a few days on the way to BKK. So is Singapore if you don't mind spending a few bucks.
LittleBigMan
10-24-20, 09:37
Well what fucks my mind is that this is supposed to be a collective culture, but some always seem to be in need. You got 18 mfs living in the house. You mean to tell me you can't find a way to get 100 baht each? Even consider their other family members and friends. They can't take up a collection to save the farm? Even they could go to their facebook and get 50 baht from everybody on their friends list.
In the Black American community in the 60's and 70's if someone could not come up with their payment they would have what is called a rent party. Everyone came to a party at the house and paid an entrance fee, therefore they would have the money for the rent.Finally getting the chance to kick a bit back and catch up here as I noted early a month up here in the wife farm. First couple of days hook up the water / drain line for her kitchen sink and washer. Then today painted 3 window shuttles in the brazing sun using the make shift Thai ladder. Family getting a blast how I'm doing everything as my wife calls it " Make in the USA " what shocking is they couldn't believe my painting skills, using oil, not one drop on the floor just taking a large cardboard and moving it. Next week is my son cultural indoctrination into the Monk Temple.
I haven't responded to Hawks writing " Secret " for me what is really the secret? The outcome is obvious different writer different name and different day. Sometimes like kids like my Granddaughter no matter how many times they are told not to touch the fire they do some due to being curious they is how they learn. Some read all the books go by their experiences yet come away with little? The writing is about 1 thing yet there is 99.9% more in making it work even 50% and it doesn't matter whether it is a bargirl or not! We grow up with what we learn in the West it is taken for granted it is tough if not impossible to not apply it here? I hear people say " I understand " but next word or move same action.
When it comes to the Thai culture they have really done a number on the female here making them feel guilty or responsible so much that they selll themselves to us and even their own. Who really knows the truth but as one poster noted why all of a sudden the farm is having a problems. I too read the writing with interest but there are warning signs everywhere believe or not the 2 year contract is a big red flag although I'm sure there are some majority of them are at best for 1 year. Thais with very little education everything seems to be based on hearsay, rumors and superstitious they have their own network so unless they know first hand someone who has actually gone abroad they might getting themselves into something they can't get out. For someone who doesn't even like to travel to Bangkok now is going to take a 2 year contract?
Thais that have very little are surprisingly very resourceful in the end they seem to make it happen? Looking for Love, it comes down to the more you give the more they love why do you think they call us ATM, even if she Loves when you get over that huddle it is only the first one what is he going to do the rest of the race or journey? I being Asian it comes down to this! If she is looking for Love they might as well stay with her own race this I know has come out of the mouth of many Thais I know who are BG or just normal. Any Thai who is with a foreigner is to have a better life just like winning the lottery if she was sitting eating Songtam with her family and friends they be comparing and if she told them it is just love and got nothing she would be laughing and rolling on the ground but of course Thai aren't going to do that they will wait until she turns her back.
Finally took a shit today I had to squat for 5 minutes my legs nearly gave out!
I appreciate the comments. Here are some responses.
Sammon: Looks like you still have not got over this woman. She scammed you. Of course I have not gotten over her yet! This is still October 2019! The story is not over.
Natty: The relationship is shot and it is your fault. If she thought she and the family would be better off going to Korea she would have gone. After the next chapter I guess we will find out if the relationship is shot or not.
Banana Boi: I would have paid that for someone I truly like in a heartbeat, whether she is a bargirl or a civilian girl making 300 baht per day. Good man and good friend.
Dg8787: Send her the dang money! Shit, how the hell did you make it in life? Analysis paralysis at its finest. Haha. Yes. And I made out pretty well in life by being aware of the risks.
Paolo99: Your posts and the story about that girl are showing that you are an easy target for money. Huh? She asked for nothing and she very nearly got it. I think my record shows I was more of a cheap Charlie! But now that she HAS gotten money out of me, will your assertion start to come true?
MeltonPie: Why didn't you just take her to South Korea and verify the story? What story is there to verify? She knew the truth. If she ended up going I would have insisted on a copy of the final contract she signed if she ever wanted to see me again. Read the first chapter to get references to the original reports from April 2019 if you want to go all the way back. At my urging in August 2019 she got a passport.
Danny Duck: .Insults Secret's face. You insult me Danny. You think I would be going through this for an ugly?
German Man: I am following your story with great interest. Thanks. This is certainly a real-life story and I am telling it as it happened, with an occasional 'look ahead' when I think appropriate.
DioRetz: If the sum is so little to you, why not just give her the money? It was a huge amount to her and she should treat it as such. If she could not be trusted with what I gave her, then I would not want to stay with her. I do have money, and if we end up together then I would want to be sure I could trust her with it.
LittleBigMan: The outcome is obvious; different writer, different name, and different day. {punctuation added for clarity}Umm, care to share what my relationship with Secret is today? I have asked you guys to make predictions.
And a common question: Why is the farm suddenly having a problem?
A legit question. It started years ago. Can I simply say the widowed mother took out a loan and only paid the interest? The debt grew and grew until Secret felt she had to work in Pattaya to get enough money to finally pay it all off. But Secret was not a successful BG and she failed. She was going to make the mother sell the land to avoid an imminent foreclosure (oh, can I mention a mother who didn't want to sell and let her daughter go work in Pattaya? Then she talked to an agent about working in Koreas who offered to advance her money (at an outrageous interest rate of course) if she signed a long work contract with him. Even this is a simplification, but many of you will still say I was scammed no matter what I say.
Banana Boi
10-25-20, 05:04
(I originally posted this reply in the General section, but since everyone is replying here I have re-posted it over here where it is in context with the current conversation).I also posted my reply in the General Reports section since that's where the discussion of layovers and jet lag belong imo. Not reposting it here as it is imo not Pattaya specific.
Banana Boi
10-25-20, 05:38
From the BKK thread but I will apply it to Pattaya.
Cheap Charlie Budget:
Food. Cheap breakfast 99 baht. Somtam for lunch 40 baht. Street cart noodles dinner 60 baht. Bottled water for the day 50 baht.
Transportation. Baht bus 20 baht. Motorbike 100 baht.
Condo - 6 k per month so 200 baht per day.
Soi 6 or G club in the afternoon - 120 baht for your drink.
Gogo bar or bar beers at night - 300 baht per night for your drinks.
Lady drinks - 1 special lady will get a lady drink at one of the bars - 150 baht.
1 G club or Soi 6 girl in the afternoon - 1000 plus 300/350 barfine.
1 FL at night 600 baht.
So for just over 3000 baht per day you have banged 2 girls and groped many.
Danny Duck
10-25-20, 16:47
Watch out their might be Covid on the barstool you are sitting on. LOL.
That French lady caught Covid from interacting with infected gym equipment in Pooket.
SinfullyKorean
10-26-20, 00:37
From the BKK thread but I will apply it to Pattaya.
Cheap Charlie Budget:
Food. Cheap breakfast 99 baht. Somtam for lunch 40 baht. Street cart noodles dinner 60 baht. Bottled water for the day 50 baht.
Transportation. Baht bus 20 baht. Motorbike 100 baht.
Condo - 6 k per month so 200 baht per day.
Soi 6 or G club in the afternoon - 120 baht for your drink.
Gogo bar or bar beers at night - 300 baht per night for your drinks.
Lady drinks - 1 special lady will get a lady drink at one of the bars - 150 baht.
1 G club or Soi 6 girl in the afternoon - 1000 plus 300/350 barfine.
1 FL at night 600 baht.
So for just over 3000 baht per day you have banged 2 girls and groped many.Great report, Banana. I hope travel restrictions will be removed so I can visit again. Til then, keep the reports coming! It's very much appreciated. =).
LittleBigMan
10-27-20, 11:02
I appreciate the comments. Here are some responses.
Of course I have not gotten over her yet! This is still October 2019! The story is not over.
If she thought she and the family would be better off going to Korea she would have gone. After the next chapter I guess we will find out if the relationship is shot or not.
Good man and good friend.
Haha. Yes. And I made out pretty well in life by being aware of the risks.
Huh? She asked for nothing and she very nearly got it. I think my record shows I was more of a cheap Charlie! But now that she HAS gotten money out of me, will your assertion start to come true?
What story is there to verify? She knew the truth. If she ended up going I would have insisted on a copy of the final contract she signed if she ever wanted to see me again. Read the first chapter to get references to the original reports from April 2019 if you want to go all the way back. At my urging in August 2019 she got a passport.
You insult me Danny. You think I would be going through this for an ugly?
Thanks. This is certainly a real-life story and I am telling it as it happened, with an occasional 'look ahead' when I think appropriate.
It was a huge amount to her and she should treat it as such. If she could not be trusted with what I gave her, then I would not want to stay with her. I do have money, and if we end up together then I would want to be sure I could trust her with it.
Umm, care to share what my relationship with Secret is today? I have asked you guys to make predictions.
And a common question: Why is the farm suddenly having a problem?
A legit question. It started years ago. Can I simply say the widowed mother took out a loan and only paid the interest? The debt grew and grew until Secret felt she had to work in Pattaya to get enough money to finally pay it all off. But Secret was not a successful BG and she failed. She was going to make the mother sell the land to avoid an imminent foreclosure (oh, can I mention a mother who didn't want to sell and let her daughter go work in Pattaya? Then she talked to an agent about working in Koreas who offered to advance her money (at an outrageous interest rate of course) if she signed a long work contract with him. Even this is a simplification, but many of you will still say I was scammed no matter what I say.I'm not here to criticize you will get enough without my help. As I noted they have their own school in her village or farm way before she ever step foot into the business she basically has very little educationa and her mother even less. Just based on your comments when it comes to the farm it most likely isn't the first nor it be the last " interest only " sure didn't come from a bank. It isn't that she is a bad bar girl in many cases it will always be something for these girls as I noted the Thai culture has laid a heavy burden on the females if not the land it would be something else?
I wasn't born yesterday but as I noted the two year deal is a big red flag " Agent " I want to laugh stop rolling on the ground advance money that she will never be able to get out even if she works the field all day in between and working a massage parlor in Korea. I don't have enough text to explain how it works the cost to get her there which most likely is illegal and once there her passport is confiscated I think you assume what might happen thereafter. Sure it happens but a 2 year labor contract into another country and with a advance I've not seen or heard too many of those?
Depending on where she is from unless the family owns lots of rai I would think if real what you spend at GoGos might be able to pay the sum off? It kind of comes down to this for me we all be. S. You need to learn " Not the Art of the deal " but the Art of be. S. " You are asking some of the right question now ask for even more tell her you want to help but you don't have a lot of money but have to borrow it yourself to help that you know a friend of a friend if she can forward the contract the mother signed you can have a lawyer you know in Bangkok look at it and explain to you and if possible we can fix it so it doesn't happen again now wait for a reaction? This goes the same for the contract to Korea.
Thais in general aren't going to come right out in majority of situation and tell you exactly what they want she has been crying out to you in her own way but you are stuck in the Western way of thinking that she is going to just come right out and say you want love this is how much it is going to cost you a month for me to be yours.
What you are writing many don't see the importance only that you are getting sucker down deep much to learn from your report sadly not many will see the light at the end of the tunnel? Good luck!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XSC4Q4_HXM
I'm not here to criticize you will get enough without my help.Haha. I am here to educate and entertain. Best lessons are from real life examples. But I will not say much more about the loan and the land. I have not revealed it all and, as I said, I should write pages here and many here would still not believe. More may be revealed in the future. I will leave it at that.
I noted the Thai culture has laid a heavy burden on the females if not the land it would be something else?
Quite true. But remember, Secret is not 18 or 19. She worked in industry for 10 years. Her family did not push her to be a BG.
Thais in general aren't going to come right out in majority of situation and tell you exactly what they want she has been crying out to you in her own way....
True. She was very reluctant to talk about it. She felt shame.
What you are writing many don't see the importance only that you are getting sucker down deep much to learn from your report sadly not many will see the light at the end of the tunnel? Good luck!As I said, I am trying to educate and show insight into one particular BG. I am still trying to show she is NOT a typical BG however.
Huh? She asked for nothing and she very nearly got it. I think my record shows I was more of a cheap Charlie! But now that she HAS gotten money out of me, will your assertion start to come true?I didn't read back your post but I assumed you gave her money to pay back her loan, so that's not a cheap charlie's act.
She didn't ask explicitly (maybe), but she made you fully aware of her financial struggles.
The way you write your reports, it's clear that you're very hesitant of what you should do (or what you should have done). All these questionings (I assume that you probably gave her many signs of these hesitations) are typically showing you as a big easy target in my opinion.
Quite true. But remember, Secret is not 18 or 19. She worked in industry for 10 years. Her family did not push her to be a BG.It's even worst than I thought.
She's been doing this for 10 years? That girl is wasted and you'll never satisfy her except by spending a lot of cash on her (until you run out of cash). But is it really worth it?
Danny Duck
10-27-20, 17:09
This is how you help BarGirls. Give them a stake of $10,000 and teach them how to trade options. Learn what cash secured puts and covered calls are. Incorporate both into the Wheel Strategy. Income for life, at least quite awhile if done right. LOL.
I'm into my second month. Does have merit.
Dr Brian Jones
10-27-20, 20:20
This is how you help BarGirls. Give them a stake of $10,000 and teach them how to trade options. Learn what cash secured puts and covered calls are. Incorporate both into the Wheel Strategy. Income for life, at least quite awhile if done right. LOL.
I'm into my second month. Does have merit.LOL Danny,
In other ISG threads, guys are currently discussing potential relationship with " nice and financially independent girls " flirting with them for weeks, with NO video-calls and then asking them to invest in f / x accounts.
They are not 100% sure if this is true interest in them or scam. Well.
So now with your recommendation, we are going full circle haha!
Member #4698
10-27-20, 20:47
It's even worst than I thought.
She's been doing this for 10 years? That girl is wasted and you'll never satisfy her except by spending a lot of cash on her (until you run out of cash). But is it really worth it?I think it is time for a picture of the mystery girl. "Been doing this for 10 years," crikey, this story is turning into a farce.
As I said, I am trying to educate and show insight into one particular BG. I am still trying to show she is NOT a typical BG however.What does she got that is so different than other BGs?
I didn't read back your post but I assumed you gave her money to pay back her loan, so that's not a cheap charlie's act.
She didn't ask explicitly (maybe), but she made you fully aware of her financial struggles.
The way you write your reports, it's clear that you're very hesitant of what you should do (or what you should have done). All these questionings (I assume that you probably gave her many signs of these hesitations) are typically showing you as a big easy target in my opinion.Signs of hesitation? No, I think I left the impression I was totally insensitive! She left hints and I did not respond. I mean, she says "I need a job" and I say "I hope you find something. " Not until faced with losing her did I finally shell out some cash. I may show hesitation here in my writing about it all and, yes, I was hesitant about what to do at the time.
I had not been giving her much of anything, thus looking like a Cheap Charlie up until the time I did give her money. You can decide, if this goes on, if I return to be a cheap Charlie or if I start throwing out the cash upon the merest hint of need from her.
This is how you help BarGirls. Give them a stake of $10,000 and teach them how to trade options. Learn what cash secured puts and covered calls are. Incorporate both into the Wheel Strategy. Income for life, at least quite awhile if done right. LOL.
I'm into my second month. Does have merit.Haha. I have lost more in options than I will ever lose to Secret, many times over.
It's even worst than I thought.
She's been doing this for 10 years? That girl is wasted and you'll never satisfy her except by spending a lot of cash on her (until you run out of cash). But is it really worth it?I think you misunderstand. Industry. Electronics industry. She worked for a major electronics manufacturer for 10 years. She was moving up the ladder. She did not go to college, but she held a job of increasing responsibility. I have repeated many times she was a bar girl for less than 6 months. It is in her social media -- she left work to the surprise of her co-workers and a few days later she was a BG. Just like that. Factory to Soi 6. I would agree that if she had been in the adult business for much longer than 6 months it could not work. Part of her being "special" is a lot of the circumstances are "special".
OK, I sent Secret the first of 6 installments, as I had agreed. She, in turn, was to go to Phuket with me. Did she keep her word to me? If she was an evil BG out to scam me, might she take the money and run, or try to get a second payment out of me then run?
She kept her word. We met at BKK and flew off to Phuket for about 8 days, then to Bangkok for 4 more. We had a lot of daytime fun. We did many tours and did many things and even took a cooking class. We went zip lining, canoeing and swimming. The only thing she asked me to buy was a bathing suit, and it was a cheap one, and I had offered to buy it weeks before the trip as she did not have one. Well, she had one with the name of her former bar. She acted very much like a traditional Thai GF, meaning no overt displays of affection in public, no asking for stuff and politely declining offered gifts and basically being considerate of me. She would hold hands and would sit close to me on the buses, give light kisses occasionally and smile and laugh a lot, so she did display affection. She was just as delightful as ever and reminded me why I liked her so much.
So was she acting like a GF or as a BG? Definitely not like a BG. As I said, she asked for nothing from me and she never talked trashy or used her womanly, BG wiles. But she was not exactly a GF either. Well, during the day she was a perfect Thai GF. In bed, well, she was not any more passionate than the last time in Pattaya. I could say she was like a very shy, inexperienced lover, waiting for me to make all the moves, after which she would dutifully submit. But she would never initiate anything or even act to keep it going. I tried very hard to avoid anything to remind we had once had a professional relationship (or to show we might still be having such a relationship), which met giving her the chance to initiate things and have an equal say in what all we did. She would cuddle up and touch a little, and wanted to sleep touching me, but if I was not pushing the foreplay, she would go to sleep. Twice I let that happen until several hours later I would wake her up! She was happily accommodating, but sex was something she could take or leave. It all left me a bit uncomfortable and unsatisfied and with the feeling she had no love or passion for me. But, I could have been asking too much too soon, or maybe she was being a GF to me but expected me to make all the moves, or she may have felt I was being too passive, or whatever. Pointless to speculate on why she was passive. I should have asked her.
But did she show enough feelings to warrant me taking her on that cruise we had talked about for April? If I was sure that this was all I was going to get then I should go on and cut my losses. Sure, she is fun, but I am getting old! I should perhaps be looking elsewhere, right? The lack of obvious love and passion got me down a bit, but when I thought about all that this woman had been through that year, it was unreasonable for me to expect too much from her. I mean, less than a year previous to this she had no idea that she would be become, well, a prostitute. She had a good job, had moved up the ladder a bit, and then BOOM, she had to degrade herself to bail out her mother's poor financial actions. But just imagine that you have not had a loving relationship for at least 10 years and, heck, maybe never, and now just having had to have sex with between likely 100 to 300 strange men, the vast majority you detest (and me being one of them), is it reasonable to feel for me the same way I was feeling about her? No, it isn't. It is reasonable to think that she might view sex with a bit of tension.
But what was I looking for? I was looking for signs of potential love such that I would want to continue to see her to try to nurture those feelings. What kind of signs, though? They would be little things that one would do for one they had feelings for. Examples are how they kiss you or touch you or look at you, how often they call you or text you, the pictures they send, what they do for you, etc. At least coming from a BG or ex-BG, giving out sex is not really a sign. I might, for them, simply be a profession they are still engaging in with in. Secret was not displaying that at least! We mongerors know that great sex is unrelated to love. A couple of BGs have given me "GFEs" that blew me away, but they sure didn't love me. And a few were shy, thinking by giving sex they would somehow ruin things.
What actually made me to decide I wanted to keep seeing her will sound strange, but it was because she had been taking a ton of photos and videos of me and us, many of which I had not noticed she was doing. Women generally don't take photos of guys they have no feelings for. They may take selfies or photos of the attractions to post on social media, but not so many of the men they are with if they have no feelings for him. Secret took a bunch of videos of me zip lining, of us eating, walking along the beach, etc. She took of bunch of us together as well. If she was disgusted with me, she would not want to do that! And I saw where she sent pictures of us home to her mother. This all may sounds like a little thing, but love is comprised of a lot of little things. But what daughter sends pictures to her mother (and sisters) of a man she feels disgust for?
Anyway, the trip was a basic success, advancing our relationship a little. She was never like a BG, and she was a great GF during the day though a questionable GF at night. In all fairness, I could not have expected any more than what I got. I guess she had sufficient fun to make plans to meet again in April 2020 and go on that cruise. If a trip on the Quantum of the Seas cannot bring out some love or passion, then I may finally have to end this. But that is over 4 months away from this time. What bad can possibly happen before mid-April?
So, we said our goodbyes the next morning. She got a taxi to go back to her sister's and start a serious job search, and I took a taxi to BKK. I had given her the second mortgage payment plus I gave her enough to pay for work that she may have missed while waiting for me. With a job and with loan payments to worry about, she will be fine.
I arrived at BKK, then waited for Nam's limo driver to pick me up. "Huh? Who? What? You exclaim. "Who is Nam?" Many of you know of Nam. She hires lady drivers to drive people between the airport and Pattaya. Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?
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HorseTrader
10-28-20, 00:30
Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?Of course we saw that coming! The only question was if you would admit it to us. We are the same as you and can't imagine traveling 24 hours to Thailand and having sex with only one girl.
My two cents for what it's worth. I think if you want a sincere relationship you need to be honest. You lie to her it's fair she lies to you. Does she know you won't change but expect her to?
OK,
I arrived at BKK, then waited for Nam's limo driver to pick me up. "Huh? Who? What? You exclaim. "Who is Nam?" Many of you know of Nam. She hires lady drivers to drive people between the airport and Pattaya. Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?
Mr Enternational
10-28-20, 02:21
She acted very much like a traditional Thai GF, meaning no overt displays of affection in public, As I said, she asked for nothing from me and she never talked trashy or used her womanly, BG wiles. But she was not exactly a GF either. Well, during the day she was a perfect Thai GF. In bed, well, she was not any more passionate than the last time in Pattaya. I could say she was like a very shy, inexperienced lover, waiting for me to make all the moves, after which she would dutifully submit. But she would never initiate anything or even act to keep it going. I tried very hard to avoid anything to remind we had once had a professional relationship (or to show we might still be having such a relationship), which met giving her the chance to initiate things and have an equal say in what all we did.
She would cuddle up and touch a little, and wanted to sleep touching me, but if I was not pushing the foreplay, she would go to sleep. Twice I let that happen until several hours later I would wake her up! She was happily accommodating, but sex was something she could take or leave. It all left me a bit uncomfortable and unsatisfied and with the feeling she had no love or passion for me. But, I could have been asking too much too soon, or maybe she was being a GF to me but expected me to make all the moves, or she may have felt I was being too passive, or whatever.
But did she show enough feelings to warrant me taking her on that cruise we had talked about for April? If I was sure that this was all I was going to get then I should go on and cut my losses. Sure, she is fun, but I am getting old! I should perhaps be looking elsewhere, right? The lack of obvious love and passion got me down a bit, but when I thought about all that this woman had been through that year, it was unreasonable for me to expect too much from her.
But what was I looking for? I was looking for signs of potential love such that I would want to continue to see her to try to nurture those feelings. What kind of signs, though? They would be little things that one would do for one they had feelings for. Examples are how they kiss you or touch you or look at you, how often they call you or text you, the pictures they send, what they do for you, etc. We mongerors know that great sex is unrelated to love. A couple of BGs have given me "GFEs" that blew me away, but they sure didn't love me.
In all fairness, I could not have expected any more than what I got. Life is not a movie. It is rather monotonous for most people. You go to work and you go home. There are no sparks flying and no fireworks popping off. This chick was standoffish from the start. Why would you expect her to change into the freak of the week? And then when she does not it is no cruise for you!
You got exactly what you signed up for. There was no I was like this but I changed into that after I got him hooked. She has been the exact same. Not everyone shows love the same way nor has sex the same way. You are looking for her to ravage you like the sex fiend she is not.
That is why there is a thing called compatibility that we should observe when getting into something serious with someone. You forced this relationship, when judging from your reports there was no compatibility in the first place. You basically had to "make her" everything. There was nothing smooth and natural about this.
LittleBigMan
10-28-20, 03:05
F. H.
Like I said I read your post and nothing you have written I haven't heard or seen first hand all the excuses are right there no matter how much you indicated or write to make it interesting it is a story that has been written many time over just a different writer and different day.
You are trying hard but the more you write the more clear what the ending will be job electronics, ten years, six month Soi 6, wasn't push into the life style, didn't act like a BG, first payment. You are on your way the most important thing is enjoy the ride the experience will stay with you for a lifetime and maybe learn some don't like Charlie Tuna go for the bait get thrown back into the ocean and take the bait again. You think she doesn't know why you came to Thailand for one thing and one thing only and no matter how close you get she will always know the reason you are here!
Life is not a movie. It is rather monotonous for most people. You go to work and you go home. There are no sparks flying and no fireworks popping off. This chick was standoffish from the start. Why would you expect her to change into the freak of the week? And then when she does not it is no cruise for you!
You got exactly what you signed up for. There was no I was like this but I changed into that after I got him hooked. She has been the exact same. Not everyone shows love the same way nor has sex the same way. You are looking for her to ravage you like the sex fiend she is not.
That is why there is a thing called compatibility that we should observe when getting into something serious with someone. You forced this relationship, when judging from your reports there was no compatibility in the first place. You basically had to "make her" everything. There was nothing smooth and natural about this.Maybe quite maybe FH is the problem!
She kept her word. We met at BKK and flew off to Phuket for about 8 days, then to Bangkok for 4 more.I assume this all happened several months ago?
There are few things more dreary and burdensome than assuming emotional and financial support for a life mate who doesn't even try to rock your world sexually at least every now and then.
It's kind of the story behind why many of us entered the world of mongering, isn't it?
And, imo, it is a particularly pertinent warning for those of us who monger in Thailand because, no matter how cute or sexy they look, a good 90% of those Thai girls are by nature rather lousy in bed and rarely if ever improve over time.
So was she acting like a GF or as a BG? Definitely not like a BG.That's where you're deluding yourself. She was in fact acting exactly like a BG or at least the way Pattaya BGs were ten years ago. I remember having girls tell me they love me, I don't have to pay them, I'm the only one who makes them feel that way, doing things that a "normal" couple would do and even taking me to their village to see their whole family. You think you experienced something unique but you didn't. It's all part of the GFE the hundreds or even thousands of other men who fucked your "sweetheart" probably experienced. It's just you're the sap who ended up taking it seriously. As for her taking lots of photos, ffs talk about clutching at straws. Every girl in the world does that these days, it means absolutely nothing.
Of course we saw that coming! The only question was if you would admit it to us. We are the same as you and can't imagine traveling 24 hours to Thailand and having sex with only one girl.Haha, so true. Well, I did briefly consider not admitting to that, but it IS part of story.
My two cents for what it's worth. I think if you want a sincere relationship you need to be honest. You lie to her it's fair she lies to you. Does she know you won't change but expect her to?I am wanting to get to the point where I CAN have a sincere relationship with her. But you are correct, before this relationship can become sincere, we will have to both be honest. And, spoiler alert, being honest can be painful.
This chick was standoffish from the start. Why would you expect her to change into the freak of the week? And then when she does not it is no cruise for you! I was not expecting a freakish performance. I didn't want her to be a BG with me, and she was unable to be a GF with me yet. I was disappointed at the time but, in hindsight, I was asking too much too soon. And the cruise was still on regardless. Even if no love, she was still fun to be with, and a cruise with her would either have been a blast, or the afternoon boredom would have had us at each other's throats.
Not everyone shows love the same way nor has sex the same way. You are looking for her to ravage you like the sex fiend she is not. I was most certainly not looking for her to ravage me. That would have been BG behavior for her and would have spelled the end. Well. No, it would have guaranteed one more trip I suppose! Haha But, a little more foreplay, or her even starting the foreplay, was what I was hoping for. And I realize that we all show love differently and, at that point in time, her taking those pictures was enough to show at least a tiny bit of affection.
You forced this relationship, when judging from your reports there was no compatibility in the first place. You basically had to "make her" everything. There was nothing smooth and natural about this.You speak a bit of truth here, my friend. But I did think there was a little bit of compatibility between us. I had been with nearly 300 others, some prettier and more energetic, but I never fell for them. It was things that Secret did, seemingly non-BGish, that sparked my increasing interest in her. Remember, we barely talked about sex and love ever. It was the normal, everyday things we talked about that drew me in. But of course, it was my desire to keep seeing her that allowed the relationship to continue once she expressed an interest, especially after she quit the bar scene. And true, given our age difference, distance separation and cultural differences, all of which I understood from the beginning, this could not be an exactly smooth, natural development. That this relationship is clearly doomed to fail is apparent. How long will she or I keep it going? What will finally end it? I mean, it WILL end! Right?
F. H.
Like I said I read your post and nothing you have written I haven't heard or seen first hand all the excuses are right there no matter how much you indicated or write to make it interesting it is a story that has been written many time over just a different writer and different day. Haha. If I finish this story without throwing you a loop or two I will feel I have failed!
You are on your way the most important thing is enjoy the ride the experience will stay with you for a lifetime and maybe learn. Yes, thank you. I was fully aware the relation was likely to fail but, again, she was fun to hang with and I just couldn't stand the thought of not spending some more time with her before throwing in the towel.
Maybe quite maybe FH is the problem!Maybe. Not really sure what problem you are referring to.
I assume this all happened several months ago?Just over a year.
There are few things more dreary and burdensome than assuming emotional and financial support for a life mate who doesn't even try to rock your world sexually at least every now and then.True. Well, I am getting old so bed performance will become less important over time! But note, I was not complaining that she was not a PSE. I was just hoping to see a bit of foreplay come from her.
That's where you're deluding yourself. She was in fact acting exactly like a BG or at least the way Pattaya BGs were ten years ago. I remember having girls tell me they love me, I don't have to pay them, I'm the only one who makes them feel that way, ..
You speak a great, general truth. But Secret was not telling me she loved me. She was not telling me I did not need to pay her (I will address this further below). She never told me I was the only one who ever made her feel that way. I wish! Haha I may wish, but I would not have believed her and had she said it I would have ended it.
You think you experienced something unique but you didn't. It's all part of the GFE the hundreds or even thousands of other men who fucked your "sweetheart" probably experienced.
I said we were doing unique things? We had fun during the day and the nights were rather bland. I have no idea how she performed with her other customers, and these kinds of thoughts, to include how many men she had been with, are the kind of thoughts all who fall for a BG have to deal with and agonize over. Had she not quit the bar I don't think I could have continued to deal with it. Part of the desire is that she DID quit, well before being with thousands of men. Were she hardened, no way could I have dealt with it.
It's just you're the sap who ended up taking it seriously.
Perhaps.
As for her taking lots of photos, ffs talk about clutching at straws. Every girl in the world does that these days, it means absolutely nothing.I don't think they take a ton of photos and videos of the dude if they don't like him. They will mostly take selfies to send to their friends. I could see a BG taking a few to send home to show mom the "sap" who will be paying for their new motorbike, but not dozens shots and dozens of videos of just one more "sap". Indeed, back in May 2019 we went out to Ko Larn and she took her camera. She took a few selfies and landscapes and a couple of me. The action of a BG or GF? Who knows at that stage? 6 months later, she was taking tons of me and us. Rather than being meaningless, it was definitely far more GF than BG behavior.
Regarding the need to pay. In your case, I presume you were in Pattaya and the girl lived in Pattaya and all she had to do was come to your hotel. Worst case, she may have lost out a BF. To see me, Secret had to travel 6 hours to meet with me and even delay her job search by a month. She never asked me for money, I simply told her I would pay her what she lost from not having a job for that time period, the amount of which I guessed. Seemed fair. Look at it from her side. She had to travel to see me and hope I would sufficiently compensate her for the funds she was losing for not having a job. And what if I refused to give her loan money after the trip? Giving up a BF for a good customer is within the realm of a BG. Secret was risking tens of thousands of baht to see me. That sound like something a BG would be risking?
And you say Secret was like a BG for having passive sex? Would you also say she would be acting like a BG if she gave me a PSE? What if one night she started in doggie, then spoon, then missionary, then some oral, then some more miss and finished off with reverse cowgirl? Would that be a sign she was acting like a BG too? Heck, I would call that honeymoon sex. So, what kind of sex could an ex-BG possibly have that was not BG-sex then? What can make it one way or the other depends on their intentions and attitudes, which we can not always know.
There are countless stories of TGs going for the job to make money for themselves and / or family, and countless ways they fool farang men to get the cash. Money being the thing that drives everything.
However prior to my experience (that is still ongoing), I never thought about how widespread narcissism is among the working girls, actually driving them for the job in addition to the cash. Working as freelancer in a club is actually a perfect job for a narc girl. Guys courting you all the time and giving money and other forms of adoration to get laid. Makes a narc feel in heaven.
If you stay with someone for a night or even two, even repeating that every now and then, you really don't get to see it (unless you really has eye into it or are a shrink). Met this gal almost a year back in WS club and took her for a night (she was quite new at the scene, finished with farang BF and come to work). She turned out to be in my all-time top 3 for her work and she really liked sex herself too, so became a regular, 1-2 times a week, and eventually agreed to a discounted deal for a month as she asked for it. That ended up being quite weird as she simply could not stay the month as she wanted to go to WS pretty much every second day. Can't take the bar out of girl I thought and just let it go, still continued to see her simply because she was good in her work. But it turned out it was not (at least only) that can't take bar out of girl, she was a 99% schoolbook narc.
Then the covid came and clubs closed. Business opportunity for her was substantially reduced (she had not worked via online channels, not her thing I think as she don't get the narc kicks from that) - so she asked for the long time deal again. By that time I already understood she was a narc, however thought not much to loose as can not go out myself to hunt anyway, and she was good. So stayed with her the 3 month closure period, and as expected, when it was over, she just had to go back. Continued on and off as she kind of wanted that I keep her as GF, yet she could not stay with me full time. By that time I had read enough about the disorder and just decided, knowing the risks, to play and see how the whole thing will work out. She went on and off, blocked me at one time, and again after a week or two came back telling how much she wants to be with me, and after a while same happened again. Few time since June, and currently situation is she blocked me again, I just waiting for how long. If I would no understand the narc in her, and would truly be in love, would actually be in deep shit. However just playing on to see how things go. One day things will burst for good I expect. But for now it kind of works ok. Whenever she goes, I can play others for a while, and fuck her when she comes back.
Every time she had stayed for few days, the moment came when she out-of-blue blamed me of something, not loving her as she loves me as she says. Initially was kind of weird experience as I knew what she said was not true; later it became kind of entertaining. Projecting her own actions on me and using that as excuse to finish, just like a narc does.
One time she was looking at the pictures I took of her, and told me my phone camera is not good as it had some imperfections showed on her skin that she did not see herself. Weird. She is good looking, however not perfect (esp face skin), though she herself think she is. Expecting compliments of appearance all the time and if not given, asking for those. Really a full-blown narc.
Wondering how common this disorder is among the working girls as for a narc woman, to work as a freelance hooker in a club is probably really rewarding.
There are countless stories of TGs going for the job to make money for themselves and / or family, and countless ways they fool farang men to get the cash. Money being the thing that drives everything.
However prior to my experience (that is still ongoing), I never thought about how widespread narcissism is among the working girls, actually driving them for the job in addition to the cash. Working as freelancer in a club is actually a perfect job for a narc girl. Guys courting you all the time and giving money and other forms of adoration to get laid. Makes a narc feel in heaven.
If you stay with someone for a night or even two, even repeating that every now and then, you really don't get to see it (unless you really has eye into it or are a shrink). Met this gal almost a year back in WS club and took her for a night (she was quite new at the scene, finished with farang BF and come to work). She turned out to be in my all-time top 3 for her work and she really liked sex herself too, so became a regular, 1-2 times a week, and eventually agreed to a discounted deal for a month as she asked for it. That ended up being quite weird as she simply could not stay the month as she wanted to go to WS pretty much every second day. Can't take the bar out of girl I thought and just let it go, still continued to see her simply because she was good in her work. But it turned out it was not (at least only) that can't take bar out of girl, she was a 99% schoolbook narc..It has been suggested many other times that rather than narcissism, that it is borderline personality disorder which is prevalent throughout the industry. I have seen it a few times myself and have become quite attuned to its signals. Too much to write about it here, do some research online and you might agree.
Francesco24
10-29-20, 18:05
It may be a stupid question but I have been in Pattaya for just 1 day for the first time last month (and I will be going to Pattaya for 2 more days next week). Could someone suggest me some short time Hotels along the beach road or near Soi 6 or 8? Are there any?
On my last visit to Pattaya, I thought it would be quite simple to find a short time hotel (if I ended up needing one for a Thaifriendly girl) as the likes in Bangkok along Soi 4 or Soi 7/1 etc. But at the end any google search didn't help at all and also the TF girl had no clue: the.
Danny Duck
10-29-20, 20:52
Is there a medical condition for Guys who sign service contracts with Bargirls. LOL.
Member #4733
10-29-20, 22:44
I could say she was like a very shy, inexperienced lover, waiting for me to make all the moves, after which she would dutifully submit. But she would never initiate anything or even act to keep it going.First, if she really wants to show she is not a BG then simply acting in the opposite way would be an obvious choice. But that is the Western point of view. She is from the East and if she really sees you as a potential life partner than she would act like she was told most of her life: submissive to her man. I encountered some non-working girls in Thailand (From Bkk on holiday in Chiang Mai) and they are extremely shy. So her behavior is maybe not what you would like but I do think she was acting truthfully. By the way any man that thinks a woman, any woman, would pollute her camera with loads of your pictures if she dislikes you, just seems fit here: go mongering. You don't get it.
The lack of obvious love and passion got me down a bit, but when I thought about all that this woman had been through that year, it was unreasonable for me to expect too much from her.That is your Western point of view. To understand her you would have to learn a bit about her culture. Not just in books but asking her and be amazed at times.
Yeah, I left Secret and went to Pattaya for 10 days. Bet you guys didn't see that coming? Haha You say you can't take the BG out of the BG. Is it also true you can't take the mongeror out of the mongeror?You did it before. You will do it again. What is more troublesome is that you still ask truthfulness from Secret. And you will reward that with money? Really? Then some people here still think about her deceiving you for money. To me it just seems the other way round.
Well, seems this gal has good coverage of symptoms from both BPD and NPD lists. Would need someone with more knowledge of the subject matter to make a definite classification if it has to be one or the other.
Nevertheless, has been quite enlightening experience for me as have not experienced this type of person before in any kind of personal relationship. Seen some narcs in work but is different.
One weird case when she was on her off-cycle and suddenly contacted me to go and pay her bill at doctor / hospital. I just told I will only give money if stay with me, and she just hang up. Lately the incident came up in another discussion and she was wondering why I did not come and pay for her. She told some other guy (customer or sponsor not sure) she contacted send her money. Further, she was wondering why I not give her money more than agreed as some other guys are sending from overseas, those being the 'good men', whereas I was 'not a good man' at that moment. I asked why she does not want to have sex for free, and she completely did not understand how that relates to whether guys send her money or not. She just felt blindly entitled to get the cash. Weird.
It has been suggested many other times that rather than narcissism, that it is borderline personality disorder which is prevalent throughout the industry. I have seen it a few times myself and have become quite attuned to its signals. Too much to write about it here, do some research online and you might agree.
Mr Enternational
10-30-20, 06:25
I never thought about how widespread narcissism is among the working girls, actually driving them for the job in addition to the cash. Working as freelancer in a club is actually a perfect job for a narc girl. Guys courting you all the time and giving money and other forms of adoration to get laid. Makes a narc feel in heaven.It is not narcissism. It is called being in your 20s. That is why I laugh when guys are thinking these freelance chicks are only thinking about money. Wrong. They are thinking about having a good time.
When I was in my 20's that is all me and my friends did too. We had the VIP cards to all the clubs in Atlanta and damn near every night we were going out partying. These chicks are no different; especially when they have been sitting on a boring ass farm waking up at 4am all of their lives.
If you want to make a deal like that then do it with either a chick that is in her 30's or a chick that has a normal job to go to everyday. Stop being surprised when party girls want to keep being party girls. You are not going to tame any wild mustangs in Pattaya. Get you a couple of rides and move on.
I am all aware that it is not only money that matters (I am in the same group with you re the price we accept to pay, and still have no shortage of company), as well as of the party girl feature (she definitely is, just like many other), and well aware that vast majority of the freelance gals are not interested or capable to stay put for long. It is all normal in the setting. However this chick has so many abnormal traits that are downright strange so that after a short while with her (on and off) it became clear that some part of wiring in her head is wrongly connected and / or missing. She simply is disconnected from reality at times, delusional, projects her own behavior to me as an explanation of why she got angry etc. Triggered me to actually read more about NPD, however knew enough to begin with so that noticed the thing in her early (may well be BPD; anyway something that makes her impossible to behave normally).
She actually has passed 30, and has some baby damage on belly (but still good looking) so it is not about age nor she would not have experience of life. Never worked in farm either. Not willing to tell much about the split with the father actually correlates with the disorder, most likely the reason.
Anyway, enough said, this is not a shrink forum so would need to raise the subject in some other place for further analysis and comments. However was / is so interesting experience that thought would post here. Now wondering if fucking her is over for good or she come back again after a period of blocking 555.
It is not narcissism. It is called being in your 20s. That is why I laugh when guys are thinking these freelance chicks are only thinking about money. Wrong. They are thinking about having a good time.
When I was in my 20's that is all me and my friends did too. We had the VIP cards to all the clubs in Atlanta and damn near every night we were going out partying. These chicks are no different; especially when they have been sitting on a boring ass farm waking up at 4am all of their lives.
If you want to make a deal like that then do it with either a chick that is in her 30's or a chick that has a normal job to go to everyday. Stop being surprised when party girls want to keep being party girls. You are not going to tame any wild mustangs in Pattaya. Get you a couple of rides and move on.
However was / is so interesting experience that thought would post here. Now wondering if fucking her is over for good or she come back again after a period of blocking 555.Strange that you enjoy being treated that way.
You should dump her and block her just the same way she does to you, and you shouldn't give her any more money no matter how juicy her pussy is.
That's how you should treat a girl that thinks you're her kitten, unless you like it of course.
If you let that going on she might destroy you for good before you realise it.
Crocodilexp
10-30-20, 18:10
If I would no understand the narc in her, and would truly be in love, would actually be in deep shit. However just playing on to see how things go. One day things will burst for good I expect. But for now it kind of works ok. Whenever she goes, I can play others for a while, and fuck her when she comes back.
Be careful. If you play with bears, you'll eventually get mauled, no matter how good you think you are. Never underestimate the danger of an emotionally unhinged local without much to lose. If she happens to get pissed off in just the wrong way she could strike revenge in various unhinged ways (e. G. Accuse you of a hard-to-disprove crime, or damage a 3rd party on your behalf).
This is not unfounded paranoia. I have a close friend who had to leave Thailand forever because he was accused of something he didn't do by an emotionally unhinged local in response to a completely trivial scuffle (which can't even be called a dispute). Very few Farang have sufficient social standing and connections in Thai society to handle that kind of trouble.
You might feel in control and somewhat entertained now, but you're playing with fire. If I were you, if she's away now, I'd make sure she stays away. She has the benefit of a cooling-off period, and can't blame you for breaking up and use that as an excuse to go crazy.
It's just good advice to treat others decent. Bar girls have all the complex thoughts and emotions as others. Play games with someone and you might lose. The other guy posting his story would do well to learn this.
Advice for what it's worth. I just read here bc I miss Thailand. .
Be careful. If you play with bears, you'll eventually get mauled, no matter how good you think you are. Never underestimate the danger of an emotionally unhinged local without much to lose. If she happens to get pissed off in just the wrong way she could strike revenge in various unhinged ways (e. G. Accuse you of a hard-to-disprove crime, or damage a 3rd party on your behalf).
This is not unfounded paranoia. I have a close friend who had to leave Thailand forever because he was accused of something he didn't do by an emotionally unhinged local in response to a completely trivial scuffle (which can't even be called a dispute). Very few Farang have sufficient social standing and connections in Thai society to handle that kind of trouble.
You might feel in control and somewhat entertained now, but you're playing with fire. If I were you, if she's away now, I'd make sure she stays away. She has the benefit of a cooling-off period, and can't blame you for breaking up and use that as an excuse to go crazy.
OK. So I am looking for love with Secret and the instant she leaves I head to Pattaya? Well, had she been a pure GF to me, I was prepared to spend the rest of the trip with her. But that did not happen, indeed, it could not happen, so how could I travel to Thailand and not monger a bit, especially when our sex had been so, well, frustrating? We had no commitments to each other so I am quite sure she would not be too upset if she found out. Some may say I am insensitive or being disrespectful to her regardless. Perhaps I am, but we are in a strange relationship where the normal dating rules don't apply.
That said, I had a lousy time in Pattaya. I met up with Monkey Paw a few evenings and I totally bored him. The agogos were hopping but I did no mongering there. I visited Soi 6 a few times, sure to wear my sunglasses and a cap and to avoid the area around Secret's former bar. If I was spotted, I never heard about it. Seems like I met up with Mr. E one afternoon. He is always a blast and he brings laughter and sage wisdom. Then I got the Pattaya Blues for a few days plus the Hershey Squirts, but when the squirts stopped I just didn't have the desire to do anything. I think I had maybe 5 or possibly 6 bar fines the entire time, when I am known to have 3 to 4 in a single day. Oh well. Good practice for quarantining. But were my blues due to a sense of guilt, that I was cheating? Not sure. Maybe, or perhaps it was a general depression, a renewed realization I am aging, a lack of hot-looking girls on Soi 6 or a specific depression that I was wasting time and money on Secret when there were others I could and should be concentrating on who were more suitable for me? It was probably a combination of it all. For the first time I was almost happy to finally be leaving Pattaya. Sheesh, am I regretting this now?
But, after the trip, Secret stayed with her sister in Bangkok and got a job back in the electronics industry. She was slowly opening up to me a little more as her financial concerns were abating. I mean, her land was being paid off and she was working so this was a good time for her and she was generally happy and relaxed. But the grind eventually started to wear on her. She was back to the 10 hour per day, 6 days per week hell so common in Asia. She had less time to text but we still kept in contact most every day. Over the next two months we discussed our next trip and politely flirted with each other. No sex talk ever, just general stuff, again like she was a shy, old fashioned semi-girlfriend or potential GF, but too busy to talk to her boyfriend or potential boyfriend as much as he would have liked. She did say I was her lone boyfriend, that she was my girlfriend, and that she wanted to go places and do things with me again. I don't know. That could simply be uninspired BG talk as easily as it could shy GF talk. But talk was all we had at this point. From photos and texting times, and from the social media postings I discovered later, she what she said she was doing.
But yeah, it was a boring time with us having to be apart 4-1/2 months. Then the virus came to Bangkok. She was scared. Her mother was concerned and wanted her to return home, but there was no work at home. Then things appear to fall apart between us. She would say all was ok, but I was sensing a change.
As we entered into another month of being apart I expressed concerns we were not texting as much as we should, and she asked me to understand that she wasn't able to text due very much to her work. This was how things were before her accident. I should add that we were only texting. (Chatting was not effective for us due to her poor English and my non-existent Thai. I will also add that had we been able to effectively speak to each other, some of the problems we had would not have occurred.) She described all she had to do in a day and, yeah, I understand, but one makes time for those you love. So, poor, poor Hawk. But looking back, of course, with all of her worries and responsibilities she was dealing with, that we texted as much as we did was actually amazing and I feel guilt in myself in pressuring her for more. A few times, I admit, I felt that with the money I was giving her she should be giving me more of her time, but that admissions itself sort of showed I was still thinking of her as being like a BG! It is easy to find faults in others but miss those same faults in yourself. She was asking for patience.
But for the man trying to find love with a BG or ex-BG while also trying to protect his assets, he needs to be diligent in ensuring she is not unduly trying to take advantage of him. For example, if she keeps asking for money while barely communicating with him, and especially if her texting history is erratic, he needs to be careful. If she says she is working in a factory 8 AM to 6 PM, are her texts and photos consistent with that? If she is sending texts at 1 AM her time on a Wednesday night, then you may have a cause to worry. And if she doesn't text for a day or two, you may really have a cause for worry. Same if she had been sending you periodic photos and, all of sudden, she stops. And I was beginning to see some of this. There would be periods of time with no messages. She had already cut back on photos, and now she was sending fewer, saying she had no time. Well, um, she can't spare 15 seconds during her ride to and from work to send a freaking photo to the man who saved her from going to Korea?! Sigh. Something is going on!
You are seeing my jealousy starting to creep in. I remember the song "When you're in love with a beautiful woman" haha.
When you're in love with a Pattaya bar girl, you look for lies; You know that it's crazy; you want to trust her; then it takes two days for her to send you a text; haha.
And "One way love, it pulls you in and drags you down".
Can I really trust her? Has she found someone else to spend her free time with? Is this simply proof she has limited feelings for me and is slowly getting tired of the hassle of keeping m around, and she simply wishes to keep me sufficiently happy for another month or two to get out of me what she can? So as CV-19 is making a mess, our relationship, or whatever kind of relationship we have, is also turning into mess. I complained semi-jokingly after having been ignored for 2 days, telling her "you don't like talking to me". She said, "I'm sorry. Whether you are angry or hate me, no matter. " Wow! That did seem a bit rude, but then one always has to wonder about the translation. I just said "I am not mad at all. " And I was not really mad, just disappointed and not really sure what had been going on. But I knew something was going on due to her texting frequency. And then she responded.
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".
Oh.
HorseTrader
10-30-20, 21:17
This is not unfounded paranoia. I have a close friend who had to leave Thailand forever because he was accused of something he didn't do by an emotionally unhinged local in response to a completely trivial scuffle (which can't even be called a dispute). Very few Farang have sufficient social standing and connections in Thai society to handle that kind of trouble. This is not an isolated experience. I have a friend who had a scuffle with a Thai girl and she took his laptop and camera from his apartment. He contacted the local authorities who sided with the Thai girl. Things got escalated and he felt happy that he was allowed to leave Thailand without further headaches. That was 2 years ago and he is still afraid to return.
HorseTrader
10-30-20, 21:52
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".
Oh.A sad end, but not surprising. This is the end, right? Please tell us you ghosted her.
So many thoughts come to mind. I made a list, but deleted it before posting.
I fully understand the blues you were feeling, same feeling happens to all of us when we lose a girlfriend. Empty. Lost. Hope you are well cured now.
Danny Duck
10-30-20, 23:39
There's no doubt in my mind many Bargirls are out to party and make money. The question is do they want to do it with Farang Senior Citizens. LOL.
Going clubbing with young Koreans I get. Come on, with old Pensioners? Let's be real now.
Danny Duck
10-30-20, 23:41
This is not an isolated experience. I have a friend who had a scuffle with a Thai girl and she took his laptop and camera from his apartment. He contacted the local authorities who sided with the Thai girl. Things got escalated and he felt happy that he was allowed to leave Thailand without further headaches. That was 2 years ago and he is still afraid to return.This is why I'm in the think of group if you get a defective Bargirl just pay full price and move on.
No need to get refund from Mamasan. Mamasan is advocate of the girls not US.
The only time I ever asked for a refund was on soi 6. I took a girl upstairs, she wouldn't shower together and wanted to be paid before service. I said no and went back downstairs with girl following me. I told mamasam what happened. She asked girl who answered in thai. Mamasam gave me back my barfine and girl gave me the glare for weeks after when she saw me.
This is why I'm in the think of group if you get a defective Bargirl just pay full price and move on.
No need to get refund from Mamasan. Mamasan is advocate of the girls not US.
Member #4733
10-31-20, 09:16
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".
Oh.At least she was honest about het sex life. Probably the best proof you can have about 'her being truthful to you' before that. She probably has entered the transition to a hardened bargirl. I might speculate for the reasons but I won't. It would be just that: speculations. I thank you very much for this story. It is written quite objectively. It added to my understanding and gave a 'real life example' of the things I learned in university.
I complained semi-jokingly after having been ignored for 2 days, telling her "you don't like talking to me". She said, "I'm sorry. Whether you are angry or hate me, no matter. " Wow! That did seem a bit rude, but then one always has to wonder about the translation. I just said "I am not mad at all. " And I was not really mad, just disappointed and not really sure what had been going on. But I knew something was going on due to her texting frequency. And then she responded.
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".
Oh.Is this the stage where you come out as a sissy cuckold?
PedroMorales
10-31-20, 11:59
Is this the stage where you come out as a sissy cuckold?I have met tones of jerk offs like him in Pattaya's bars. When they go on like this, you make your excuses and high tail in to another bar. The expression bar bore exists for a reason. If he wants feedback for what passes for his writing, this board is not the place. He is being entertained here because things are dead.
Yes it is not about not treating decent, on the contrary actually.
Anyway well understood the concerns of dealing with the case, but expect this will die naturally as I expect she will get more narc supply (cash and drinks) from others going forward as clubs are open, and she is of the type that sells easy at good price as long as market is open.
It's just good advice to treat others decent. Bar girls have all the complex thoughts and emotions as others. Play games with someone and you might lose. The other guy posting his story would do well to learn this.
Advice for what it's worth. I just read here bc I miss Thailand. .
Mr Enternational
10-31-20, 16:30
I complained semi-jokingly after having been ignored for 2 days, telling her "you don't like talking to me". She said, "I'm sorry. Whether you are angry or hate me, no matter. " Wow! That did seem a bit rude, but then one always has to wonder about the translation. I just said "I am not mad at all. " And I was not really mad, just disappointed and not really sure what had been going on. But I knew something was going on due to her texting frequency. And then she responded.
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".
Oh.I run into the same thing with chicks except from Secret's end. Chicks expect because they are not busy and have time then I should have time too. And I am like bich I am busy. Yeah they also think I am being rude and trying to hurt their feelings.
Because I am writing with them they want to send voice messages or press video call then get mad when I decline it or tell them to write instead. Just because I can write right now does not mean I can talk or video. Then I may have a long ass day and do not feel like being bothered.
Chicks begging me to send pictures and shit. I am like how many pictures of me do you fucking need? Or when they keep sending pictures I am like why does this broad keep sending all these pictures (and it is mostly of food.) I don't need to send somebody a picture of the hot dog I had for lunch or me sitting on the couch watching TV. Let a mf have some space.
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " It seems some people who are not fluent in how some uneducated Thais speak English are taking this to mean she lied to you and she does not work in a factory, but works in a bar instead.
To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit.
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".
Oh.Hawk there is a little hopeless romantic in me and I was pulling for you to somehow get this to work. But at this point you need to move on at least emotionally. You may text with her once in a while but the odds are really stacked against you. With Covid around you won't be seeing her for quite a while. As to her slowing down on texts think about that. Bar girls are on their phones all day long at work and she can't find time to text?
I'm enjoying the updates and appreciate the time you take to post them. I await update #8 if there is one.
Member #4698
10-31-20, 17:10
Well the OP can play it anyway he wants. If he wants to play the part of the conned, taken for a ride boyfriend that is fine with me. What I objected to and found distasteful in his storytelling was the way he continually assumed the readers were as naïve as he was. That we did not see the end coming from the very beginning. That is why I only lightly skimmed his subsequent chapters.
This tale should stand as another example in a long list of examples of how not to act with P4P girls and what not to put up with. Again, a punter can do what he wants, but when he starts believing the GFE fantasy is real and allows himself to fall for the con, whatever form the con takes, he inadvertently sets into motion the end of that very relationship that he sought to hold onto.
I have a very simple rule: If a favorite, repeat girl asks me to send money for whatever reason, I simply tell her I cannot and that is that. Then I deduct a point from her scorecard. If I were ever have to deduct 3 points in total, the liaison is over. That said, most of my favorite girls never ask for Western Union. But a few do. Then Corona changed everything, and most, but not all of my repeat favorites asked for money. I sent each girl who asked a little bit ($150) with no points deducted, ha ha, and told them it was a one-time thing. They all accepted the gift gratefully and never asked for more money. I am still in touch with them all and I hope to see them again as soon as possible.
As I wrote in a previous post, I think the OP blew his relationship with the Soi 6 girl because he let emotional BS enter the relationship. Maybe he wanted to take that ride to nowhere, maybe not. But if he has any self-respect left, his relationship with the girl is over. So, move on guy. Learn from your mistake, but do not let the experience harden you. There are many, many really great new bar girls to meet and have GFE good times with. Do not go back to this one unless you enjoyed being taken for a ride, but if you did, in fact, enjoy the ride she put you through, I am sure you can offer her more money to be your one true love again and she will accept it with a smile.
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " It seems some people who are not fluent in how some uneducated Thais speak English are taking this to mean she lied to you and she does not work in a factory, but works in a bar instead.
To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit.It's more likely just to mean working in a factory is like working in a bar. In other words something she doesn't want to do.
A sad end, but not surprising. This is the end, right? Please tell us you ghosted her.
So many thoughts come to mind. I made a list, but deleted it before posting.
I fully understand the blues you were feeling, same feeling happens to all of us when we lose a girlfriend. Empty. Lost. Hope you are well cured now.I never had a GF from a bar in the sense of committed BF GF relationship. As falling in love goes I guess you can always fall in love irrespective of what is the girls line of work. Sure, I had bargirls I liked and would love to be with them when I visit. But if she is not available I do not cry about it. You know what they plenty of pussy!
It will take a long time for this guy to get over this girl looks like. There are plenty of stories of how girls play you till you loose your money, sanity etc. I hope this guy will be okay. Best to stop all contacts. It may be hard but earlier the better.
Member #4698
10-31-20, 23:50
I recall Hawk being over 70. Makes the the thing utterly Goofy-estorious. Age matters in these things.Well sometimes a man wants to believe. I can understand that, but the mind must rule over the heart or else you can get into a whole lot of grief. A good girl does not come up with a tragic story and ask for extra money, but this one did. What if he had said no? She might have realized her error in judgement and changed her attitude or maybe not. No way of telling, but we all have had girls pitch real sad stories and ask for money. Girls, I might add, we just met. I resent the attempt and lower my estimation of the girl immediately. If the requests continue, I will simply delete her Line account. The girl has left me no other choice. But like I said, the good girls do not come up with the tragedies especially within 6 months of having a nice romp with them. That is breaking the unwritten p4 p deal.
And BTW, language and culture have something to do with it. More of my Filipinas girls have asked for wire transfers than my Thai girls or Indonesian girls combined, and I have probably shagged 7 to 8 times more Thai girls than PI girls. Go figure. LOL A common language is sometimes not a good thing. Still, in my humble experience, only a small number of girls pitch the tragic story and ask for WU.
Mr Enternational
11-01-20, 01:11
Well sometimes a man wants to believe. I can understand that, but the mind must rule over the heart or else you can get into a whole lot of grief. A good girl does not come up with a tragic story and ask for extra money, but this one did. In this case the girl did not ask for money. He volunteered it as so many guys do.
LittleBigMan
11-01-20, 02:55
After a hard day work on the wife farm with the list of stuff I need to do I thought I take a day off and sleep in bit since it was Sunday and I knew there was going to be a family member getting married a few doors but I thought that would be later on the day. Next thing loud speakers go off music louder than in a GoGo, it is 4 am and they are getting ready for the wedding wife tells me get up take a shower by 7 am we are still at the ceremony with monks and over a hundred family.
I took a few pictures for Hawk but not being techno couldn't seem to find out how to download it here? Heh Heh.
Franciscass
11-01-20, 03:30
A sad end, but not surprising. This is the end, right? Please tell us you ghosted her. You kidding. With ratings even Trump would be jealous of no way. Incidentally best TV viewing anytime anywhere just round the corner and this time it could be more dramatic than anything we have witnessed before.
Banana Boi
11-01-20, 04:43
It's more likely just to mean working in a factory is like working in a bar. In other words something she doesn't want to do.That was my interpretation as well. Whenever I don't understand what a girl means I always ask her right away. However, I rarely hang out and Line girls for long who don't have a pretty good grasp of English. Thai Engish is fine. I understand Thai style broken English. I remember one of the first girls I hung out with Thailand used Google translate to converse with me while I was sitting right beside her! I don't have the patience for Google translate.
I recall Hawk being over 70. Makes the the thing utterly Goofy-estorious. Age matters in these things.
Hey FL, you've aged!
LittleBigMan
11-01-20, 06:43
I've more in the agreement with Mr. E they leave something out turn it around and don't even know it. No one has ever been around her to explain that she got it wrong. I wouldn't make too much out of not talking to them especially when it comes to a farang. Whether you know it or not speaking English isn't on the short list if you put money in their phone and allow them to talk if it is a Thai friend you will run out of money. Line is one of the best things for them if the WiFi is strong you got free calls and video.
Farangs we want to talk when it comes to us for them it is short and simple using line you send a sticky or two and it speaks volume to them. Because money was given to bail her out we want attention some appreciation when it comes to appreciation the western way mean one way to Thais it doesn't even come close to our definition or standard reason why questions are ringing? At times they don't even seem to know what it means?
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. ".
Yeah, I'm with a few others here in not really knowing what Secret means by that or if she really meant to say what that second sentence appears to say. If it does mean (she) LIKES working in a bar after all this bit about how she hated it, was not cut out for it and all, that would pretty much be par for the course, imo. But that might not really be what she meant to say.
I too have gotten many written messages from Thai girls where a key word or two has been left out, where they wrote "don't" when the really meant the opposite, or wrote "she" instead of "he", goofy translations and so on. A quick request for clarification would fix it and I am guessing he did ask but has yet to relate that part here.
Member #4733
11-01-20, 09:46
But I knew something was going on due to her texting frequency. And then she responded.
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. "..I may not be too fluent in Thai- English but Hawk just wrote that she is working in a factory and then suspicion rose. He asked for clarification and got this text. So, I am curious as to what this means. The dot might be his. A keyword might be missing but the context doesn't point to a neutral meaning of those words.
I don't like Thai girls that much. So, I never even tried to repeat a session. (I save my money for FKK Germany.) But I have tried to talk to them via Google translate. Then still all these problems of misinterpretations keep coming up. They get bored by it before I do. Well, just enjoy the show. I do agree that once a girl asks for money beyond her fee, she is not to be trusted. But as far as I read this story, Secret just did not do that. Well, maybe her cunning plan was of a different kind. Who knows.
LittleBigMan
11-01-20, 11:11
Seems I'm alone?
First I think Google is one of the worse for translation I wouldn't use it for anything more than a word! Facebook translation is even worse you can't even make out what they are talking about from the translation.
These application when it comes to Thai conversation take all the human factor out of the equation. I do a better job based on what they are saying add that with facial and body language.
Based on what FH, posted I'm more than convinced she really meant? That she doesn't work in a bar any longer but now a factory that being said I don't have the time I did when as a bargirl! Whether she does or doesn't isn't even in the equation maybe for another subject.
Those who say ask for a clarification is just opening another can of worms! Think about it! First most likely they don't even know or recognize the mistake now you want a clarification. As I noted the more one talks the more question if you were right there would see their facial expression that they aren't even listening they have tune you out. Critical thinking being criticized isn't in their teaching in Thai local govenment schools one of the reason when they get lost they don't even bother to do the simple thing and that is ask for direction! It makes them look stupid the same students don't ask questions in class either!
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " It seems some people who are not fluent in how some uneducated Thais speak English are taking this to mean she lied to you and she does not work in a factory, but works in a bar instead.
To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit.I don't know what her English level is, but if she wrote it in Thai and then translated it via an application or google translate it cannot be meaning what you said or what or said also.
If she wrote this sentence in Tha.
"Because I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " It seems some people who are not fluent in how some uneducated Thais speak English are taking this to mean she lied to you and she does not work in a factory, but works in a bar instead.
To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit.Sorry, I didn't finish my last post and don't know how to edit it.
If she wrote that sentence in Thai, and if FL wrote it exactly as she send it to him, the meaning is very clear and cannot be misunderstood.
It means she doesn't like to work in the factory. She likes to work in the bar. There cannot be any misunderstanding unless she wrote it in English out of her mind, and even then I really doubt she would wrote it that way.
Thais never use the word "like" as a synonym to the word "same" as we do in English. The Thai words that would translate to "like" are either the verb "to like" or "to love". If she was meaning "the factory is not the same as the bar" or "working in factory is same working in bar" as other forum members said, she would have used another word that translates directly to word "same". In this case, for me, it's very clear she said she likes working in the bar, and I'm not surprised at all by that statement.
HorseTrader
11-01-20, 16:15
The three most important things about a Thai "girlfriend" are the same as real estate: location, location, and location. If she won't send her location via Line, you know she is lying. The internet has various farang sob stories about Thai girlfriends claiming to be in Isaan working at parents' farm while they are actually in BKK or Pattaya working in the bar. Not too different from the Secret story.
Mr Enternational
11-01-20, 16:28
The three most important things about a Thai "girlfriend" are the same as real estate: location, location, and location. If she won't send her location via Line, you know she is lying.I beg to differ. A lot chicks have no idea how to use that location shit. Here you go thinking we are talking about brain surgeons again. Plenty of times I have had chicks on the way to see me and I send them my location then they get lost. I ask where they are and to send location and they have no idea how to do it and I have to go out and hunt for them. Then there are others that know how to send location for me to get to them but it is the totally wrong location. As far as them sending location in order to try to catch them in a lie, I could care less. When you catch them in a lie then what?
HorseTrader
11-01-20, 16:44
I beg to differ. A lot chicks have no idea how to use that location shit. Here you go thinking we are talking about brain surgeons again. Plenty of times I have had chicks on the way to see me and I send them my location then they get lost. I ask where they are and to send location and they have no idea how to do it and I have to go out and hunt for them. Then there are others that know how to send location for me to get to them but it is the totally wrong location. As far as them sending location in order to try to catch them in a lie, I could care less. When you catch them in a lie then what?I've never found one who didn't know how to send a Line location. It was a Thai girl who showed me how to use it. Her ability to read my Line location and find me might not be very good.
Sometimes its precision isn't so good, maybe off by 200 meters. I've never seen it show the wrong city unless VPN or something else is involved.
Knowing lies are involved is one piece of the puzzle. If you are just banging her from time to time, it really doesn't matter. If you are paying off the farm mortgage and dreaming of a life together, it is a big deal.
Koalie2001
11-01-20, 16:51
I am late to the party, but some observations.
1. Seems all events were as per expected except for Secret's level of devotion, all things considered. I might even suspect there was more going on behind the scenes with her than what was reported or recognized.
2. Money and feelings are orthogonal to one another. They are not two ends of the same spectrum. Wanting money does not equate to not having feelings. Not wanting money does not equate to having feelings. The challenge in many situations such as these is that one person has an abundance of money and opportunity and the other does not. Should the one who does not be subject to excess scrutiny because she would like something of substance from the one who has money?
3. Even when receiving money from someone, it is fully understandable if the girl continues to seek money elsewhere. Their careers, if we can call it a career, are short. They can see beside them people who are at the end of their earning power and are about to return to life with next to nothing. Is it wrong of them to try to maximize earnings during the short time they have to make money?
4. Why should she stop working under vague promises from a foreigner? Would you go to work for a year or two or three without pay or being paid much less than you are worth under a non-contractual promise that all back pay will come to you in 2025?
5. Even in the present day, the girls are more often than not working from word of mouth, and urban myths about money, while facing so many people who are trying to free them of whatever money they are able to extract from foreigners. Is it not unsurprising that sometimes they make curious or seemingly silly decisions?
I mention all of this because when we contextualize this to the Secret story, then we actually see a girl who has interest in a foreigner, is willing to bend for him, but is confused because he seems to be testing her and not bending completely for her. She cannot trust him and even if she can trust the foreigner, she knows she should not trust him because her clock is ticking and she needs to take care of her financial responsibilities and her life while the short window to do so exists. Put another way, she incurs substantial opportunity costs in the relationship, so not surprising she becomes cold and distant as she feels that she is not understood and that maybe the guy in whom she had genuine interest, is only playing her for the short to medium term.
If one is generally interested in a relationship with any SE Asian girl from a bar, then you have to be prepared to take a leap of faith and bear some financial risk. Who knows, it might work?
As for my own case, over the past couple of decades I have had a few all-in relationships, that have not been cheap (a few houses spread across three to four different countries attest to this), but for the time in which I was interested in the person, the relationships went as well as could be expected. But maybe that is a series of stories for another time.
Danny Duck
11-01-20, 17:54
Age is always important. If it's not please disclose age of secret and yourself.
I know quite a few Seniors who think young Thai girls really like Loving Old Farang Man. They say it's Thai culture. In person I give them the You go Man Power Fist.
The three most important things about a Thai "girlfriend" are the same as real estate: location, location, and location. If she won't send her location via Line, you know she is lying. Not too different from the Secret story.
Do you mean "location" as in her enabling her location app services on her phone so you can track her? Who would allow that? I certainly would not, at least not until a relationship is established and it the primary purpose was for safety. If "location" as in proving they lived where they said, well, I knew where Secret lived, which I confirmed. I knew where she lived in Bangkok, likewise verified. I have a copy of her driver's license and of her passport, all of which she freely gave me without me asking. One thing I would not do is ask for her to enable her location app service as that would be a huge sign of lack of trust. And if she asked me I would decline.
A good girl does not come up with a tragic story and ask for extra money, but this one did.No, she did not.
I may not be too fluent in Thai- English but Hawk just wrote that she is working in a factory and then suspicion rose. He asked for clarification and got this text. So, I am curious as to what this means. The dot might be his. A keyword might be missing but the context doesn't point to a neutral meaning of those words. The text was verbatim. A "dot" may be significant. The translation was done at her end so I did not have the original Thai to refer to.
Seems I'm alone? First I think Google is one of the worse for translation I wouldn't use it for anything more than a word! Facebook translation is even worse you can't even make out what they are talking about from the translation.
These translation programs we can access for free and which work almost instantly are terrific but, of course, they can be so wrong! By this time in the story, we both now of the problems. Note there is one app which will do a reverse translation as well. Enter your text, get the translation and then it translates the translation back to English. Occasionally, what you get back is not quite what you intend to send out. I don't use it a lot for casual conversations, but since I discovered it a few months ago, if I want to be precise I will use it. But for sure, use these apps with caution.
What I objected to and found distasteful in his storytelling was the way he continually assumed the readers were as nave as he was. That we did not see the end coming from the very beginning. I said at the beginning I was writing this for the poor hapless gentlemen who falls for a bar girl and, thus, they are not experienced, wise and knowledgeable like you guys. And I said the intent was to help them and give them some hints for separating the bad ones from the good ones. I also said I would not be bothering if this was going to be just another story about an old dude falling for a bar girl.
This tale should stand as another example in a long list of examples of how not to act with P4P girls and what not to put up with. Again, a punter can do what he wants, but when he starts believing the GFE fantasy is real and allows himself to fall for the con, whatever form the con takes, he inadvertently sets into motion the end of that very relationship that he sought to hold onto. What have I been putting up with from her? How is she conning me? I may be a bit in a fantasy world, but I am not in some la la land throwing out cash at her expecting immediate love and happiness. I am willing to wait a month or two for that, haha.
I have a very simple rule: If a favorite, repeat girl asks me to send money for whatever reason, I simply tell her I cannot and that is that. Then I deduct a point from her scorecard. If I were ever have to deduct 3 points in total, the liaison is over. That said, most of my favorite girls never ask for Western Union. But a few do. Then Corona changed everything, and most, but not all of my repeat favorites asked for money. I sent each girl who asked a little bit ($150) with no points deducted, ha ha, and told them it was a one-time thing. They all accepted the gift gratefully and never asked for more money. I am still in touch with them all and I hope to see them again as soon as possible. Probably a good plan. Prior to Secret, there was a semi-favored Soi 6 woman who was a decent lady. She was a hardened gal, but I showed her some kindness and her heart melted. We sort of became friends, but when I met Secret I stopped bar fining her, though I would buy some lady drinks and give a little bit of cash as I knew she loved animals and she was caring for a number of them. We have texted a little bit since last year, and she is working outside the bar now, but she is struggling. Last week she texted me and asked for some help. Like you, I sent her $150.
As I wrote in a previous post, I think the OP blew his relationship with the Soi 6 girl because he let emotional BS enter the relationship. Maybe he wanted to take that ride to nowhere, maybe not. But if he has any self-respect left, his relationship with the girl is over. So, move on guy. Learn from your mistake, but do not let the experience harden you.Haha. I do appreciate your concern as well as your advice and honest appraisal of the relationship as you see it.
The text was verbatim. A "dot" may be significant. The translation was done at her end so I did not have the original Thai to refer to.
These translation programs we can access for free and which work almost instantly are terrific but, of course, they can be so wrong! By this time in the story, we both now of the problems. Note there is one app which will do a reverse translation as well. Enter your text, get the translation and then it translates the translation back to English. Occasionally, what you get back is not quite what you intend to send out. I don't use it a lot for casual conversations, but since I discovered it a few months ago, if I want to be precise I will use it. But for sure, use these apps with caution.I write it again because my last post might have been lost between others.
If she effectively wrote in Thai first and then translated it via an application or google translate, the meaning of these sentences is very clear, misunderstanding what she meant is not possible.
She said she doesn't like working in the factory, she likes working in the bar.
Thais don't use the word "like" as a synonym of the word "same".
If she wanted to say "working in the factory is the same as working in the bar" or "working in the factory is not the same as working in the bar" she would have used another word that would have been translated as the word "same" by google translate or another app. And she would have used the word "same" also if it came out of her mind without using a translate app.
The only Thais that could use the word "like" as a synonym of "same" are Thais that are highly educated and can write and speak English very well, what seems to not be the case with your girl.
You're going to tell us what she said after that in your next update but for me the translation seems correct, she likes to work in the bar.
Mr Enternational
11-01-20, 21:11
If "location" as in proving they lived where they said, well, I knew where Secret lived, which I confirmed. I knew where she lived in Bangkok, likewise verified. I have a copy of her driver's license and of her passport,Man I know you are lying now. In all these years I have seen about 2 Thai chicks with a driver's license and both of those was when I was at the Department of Land Transport getting my own.
She said she doesn't like working in the factory, she likes working in the bar.I made a mistake in that translation as I didn't read back the sentences.
But as you probably noted, she said that she doesn't work in the factory.
For the second sentence, I'm sure of the translation, she likes to work in the bar.
Man I know you are lying now. In all these years I have seen about 2 Thai chicks with a driver's license and both of those was when I was at the Department of Land Transport getting my own.OK, her government ID, not driver's license. Sheesh. My bad.
HorseTrader
11-02-20, 00:21
Do you mean "location" as in her enabling her location app services on her phone so you can track her? Who would allow that?No, I'm certainly not talking about continuous location tracking. I'm talking about the bottom of the Line text message window has a "+”. Tap that plus and then tap "Location". That sends your location at that moment, it is not ongoing (as far as I know).
You would need to make such request casually as in "I can't find your factory on my map. Can you send me your location to help me understand?“
If she has nothing to hide, she will do it. If she says she is in BKK while she is actually in Pattaya, she will make excuses and not send it.
I've had several non-P4P girls send me pictures of interesting things and I ask location. Never have they hesitated to send their location. Camping vacation places. Temples. Beaches. Floating market. Rivers. A couple have even sent location from parents homes in Isaan. But these are non-P4P girls who aren't hiding anything, all of whom I've gotten to know from time spent together and many hours in video chat.
I've also done it with P4P girls that I met on ThaiFriendly or at the bars. In those cases it has been when we were trying to find each other. That's where imprecise accuracy is sometimes a problem.
We have been having some interesting discussions on the board, one subject having to deal with the true meaning of what Secret last texted. That will be revealed shortly guys.
But before I go on let me quickly inject a side story. For whatever reason, I had not yet considered that she may have a social media account. Rather dumb of me not to consider that. But a couple of months after this event, I thought to look and I found it. I found that at this very same time something else was going on in her life. Just a couple of days later she posted a message on her account saying that the day would be "very discouraging" and would be the "worst day of my life". What the hell? She also said she would start again with new things the next day and, indeed, the next day she posted that she was "feeling confident". Again, what the hell? What could possibly be happening to make something the worst day of her life one day and then for her to have confidence that all would ok the next? But yeah, it seemed that while I was complaining to her about not texting much in the last few days, she was stressed about something horrible and possibly life changing that would occur just a couple of days later. No wonder she was not texting me and why she snapped at me! It was like with Korea. In the days leading up to that decision she pretty much went silent and ignored me. This was happening again. Something was bothering her and she didn't want to burden me with it for fear I would walk away (I supposed). I will say that while I have an idea of what happened, gleaned from another source or two that has since been lost and / deleted, I really don't know. But if I am right, she would indeed be very upset up until after it happened, with some peace thereafter.
OK, back to the story. To remind, she had told me "I don't work in the factory. Like working in bar. " I will add that she wrote the original message in Thai, then she translated it to English, using Google Translate I believe, then sent it to me over Line. The words and punctuation I received are as I presume Google processed them.
Well, to me, the meaning was clear. She didn't work at the factory anymore as she discovered that she like working in the bar better. The wording was a little off, but I am used to errors on Google Translate. And with her two-day absence from texting me and other little things, it seemed pretty clear she was off doing something, and I guess she went off to Pattaya to work in the bar again. What other city would she go to work in a bar? I have heard of BGs who say they hate the work but, after leaving and finding a legit job, they soon return to the bar. I can understand that. Bar work is physically easy and it can be fun, at least once you get used to have sex with strangers and all of that. Not to mention that the pay might be much better. And I knew that for the last 6 months Secret had not made much money being away from the bar. I she felt she had to return to the bar then, well, a girl has to do what a girl has to do.
Anyway, romantic me wrote back saying "I wondered about that. It is hard to leave the bar. " Yeah, really wise, Hawk. Stupid idiot. Let you know you don't trust her.
She confused me a bit with her reply, "But getting out of the bar was easy for me". Huh? So it was easy to leave but she is back? So to clarify, I asked "Are you back in Pattaya?" Another stupid response to really get the point across I don't trust her. Sigh. She snapped "You think I returned to Pattaya? I have to stay awake to answer your questions, right? If you think I went to Pattaya, I won't say anything more. " She was a bit upset. I say, confused "You just told me you were not working at the factory and you liked working in a bar! I am confused. " She replied "I said that I would never go back to Pattaya. I hate that place. " She continued "I told you that I work at a company. I don't have time to talk to you like I did when I work at the bar. ".
Ok. There it is. Chalk up another mistranslation, and chalk up two insensitive texts by me. And congratulations to Mr. E and Banana Boi! You called it exactly right, with Mr. E saying:
To me it reads nothing like that. It says working in the factory is not the same as working in a bar. In a bar you have all the free time in the world to goof off and write love messages, take 1 million meaningless pictures. In a factory you are on an assembly line working at a constant pace and when you get a break you just want to relax a moment and have time for yourself. I am tired. Give me a fucking break with the needy bullshit. Spot on, haha, except that she was facing the worst day of her life coming up.
I was correct in realizing that something was up. I raised the point, though in a less than sensitive way to her. She snapped back as the was trying to keep me halfway satisfied so I would not dump her, yet while dealing and planning for this upcoming, horrible event she didn't want to talk about with me. That I accused her of returning to the bar, a big sign of mistrust, just made things worse and added to her worries. Knowing what I now, and if my guess about what was happening is correct, she should have felt comfortable coming to me. Maybe she would have had I not shown my mistrust first.
So for you hapless gentlemen who falls for a BG, be very careful before you accuse your special lady of something. Think about what her life is like before you complain. It is ok to do some research so you don't get blindsided with something obvious, but if you suspect something, unless she is asking for something from you to where you must respond immediately, consider doing nothing. Wait. I, sensing something was wrong, automatically assumed she was drifting away. Maybe she was, but my complaining was a bit juvenile. If I had kept quiet, all would have returned to normal in another 5 days and there would not have been a betrayal of my trust and, as I said, she might have opened up to me about it.
Anyway, a week or two later she lost her job due to the virus. Many places in Thailand started to shut down. Then her mother and younger sister came to town and stayed with the older sister. Secret tried to find work in Bangkok but ended up deciding to go home with the others where it was safe. She still was due two land payments from me, so with the money she had made working since after the Phuket trip, she felt she had some time to wait for things to settle. And no, I was not giving her any other money, nor did she ask for any more. So, again, she had NEVER asked me for money.
Things kind of returned to normal when she got back home. Texting returned to a normal schedule similar to what it had been before the Phuket trip, but while friendly and with some flirting, there was still nothing that I considered special. Looking back, the fact she kept texting me might have been special, well, except that I was still sending her farm loan money. Let me say she never appeared she was texting me to keep me sending money. I was still expecting to see her in April and take that crise with her, but I was less optimistic about us continuing on much beyond that. And, of course, the country and then the world began to shut down and it soon became apparent there would be no cruise and it could be a long time before we could see each other again. I started to get a feeling Secret was in for hard financial times and that I might get sucked in. Was I prepared for that? Surely thing would be coming back to normal my mid-year! Right?
But a week or two after the family returned home I got another one of those bloody photos. Her younger sister had been in a horrible auto accident. This is real guys. Just like the motorbike accident was real, this was real with a real call out for blood donors. It is all documented in social media. Her teenaged sister's leg was crushed and fractured into pieces and pieces. It looked horrible. She was in horrible pain. She would likely lose a leg. Here is yet another horror for Secret to deal with. She needs to find work, but her baby sister needs her even more at the hospital over 100 miles from home (the local hospital could not deal with that level of trauma and had to transport her to a large city). The mother can't provide care. The oldest sister has two children of her own, including a toddler, and a job in Bangkok and can't provide care. Yet again, Secret has to do it, and she wants to do it.
I see that this is one time Secret really needs some emotional support. Am I up to the task? Or is there someone else she will turn to?
Franciscass
11-02-20, 03:45
Ratings are in for October and as expected Hawk's edge of the seat suspense drama on his relationship with a Thai working continued its dominance of the forum's readership.
It led comfortably in all demographics but had an off the charts record breaking 95% among the over 70's. .
Industry insiders put the phenomenal success of the series down to its relatability factor, most readers having had at one time or another similar tales of love lost and what might have been.
Returning to the ratings ET's updates on what's happening around town was a distant second and has been falling steadily over the months, readers finding his constant references to bare backing a turn off.
Going forward November's election coverage is expected to introduce some competition for Hawk but industry insiders say the story's fan base is so loyal and so invested in what happens next that holding the number one spot is a no brainer.
Inside chatter among media heads is that there is already a bidding war going on between Netflix and Amazon prime.
Danny Duck
11-02-20, 04:31
Just saw a walk down Walking St. By a YouTuber. Absolute devastation. It may not recover.
Banana Boi
11-02-20, 06:13
Age is always important. If it's not please disclose age of secret and yourself.FL has already revealed both his age and Secret's age on this board.
Banana Boi
11-02-20, 07:44
Some photos from Walking Street the other night. Certainly not nearly as quiet as lead to believe.
New gogo bars opening soon so definitely not dying.
That's FL Hawk in the pink shirt lost looking for Secret.
LittleBigMan
11-02-20, 09:42
F. H.
When I read the reports it makes me CRINGE as to what already happened and what is about to.
Some photos from Walking Street the other night. Certainly not nearly as quiet as lead to believe.
New gogo bars opening soon so definitely not dying.
That's FL Hawk in the pink shirt lost looking for Secret.No no no. You are mean my friend. Haha. For the record, I only wear cargo shorts on WS and have never worn a pink shirt in Thailand. And it has been 360 days since I have been in Pattaya.
Danny Duck
11-02-20, 17:07
FL has already revealed both his age and Secret's age on this board.I know he did. If I remember correctly he is way past minimum qualification for social security.
It matters.
If he is middle age it's even more cringe. A Thai barmaid with a kid and old mother to support? Come on man.
At least with the Real Elders one can give them a pass. They are just old and Playing.
Danny Duck
11-02-20, 17:14
Some photos from Walking Street the other night. Certainly not nearly as quiet as lead to believe.
New gogo bars opening soon so definitely not dying.
That's FL Hawk in the pink shirt lost looking for Secret.Walking Street looks dead to me. Many shops Boarded up.
Even pre Covid many shops were closing up.
GettingFedUp
11-02-20, 17:55
No no no. You are mean my friend. Haha. For the record, I only wear cargo shorts on WS and have never worn a pink shirt in Thailand. It's not pink but either "anaemic salmon" or "muted fuchsia" according to the TOA Paints color chart.
As to Banana Boi's observation I rarely venture to the Walking Street area, but did the rounds around Soi Bua Khao on Friday. The margins (Pattaya Klang and Pattaya Tai thirds) were very quiet. Significantly quieter than a few weeks ago and quite a few businesses that reopened after lockdown have closed again (bars, restaurants, pharmacies, massage shops, all sorts).
The middle 1/3rd from just near Tree Town to Soi Lengkee there were plenty of bars doing good trade. I didn't wander into LK Metro but the reports I hear are that they are quite busy (but by no means overrun) Thursday to Sunday and quiet the rest of the week.
Elsewhere Beach Road Sois 7 and 8 are toast, ghost town and not because it was Halloween.
LittleBigMan
11-03-20, 08:17
For those of you on pornhub it has been shut down by government!
For those of you on pornhub it has been shut down by government!You mean Blocked where you are.
Danny Duck
11-03-20, 17:22
For those of you on pornhub it has been shut down by government!What about the Japanese ones. I like Ayu Sakurai the Bestest Ever. LOL.
Member #4698
11-03-20, 19:49
LBM, Pornhub is running fine. Your problem is local internet censorship. I been in countries where I could not even access the ISG. You need a fast VPN service. I recommend NordVPN, but it is kind of expensive. There are many alternative apps available including a new one from the FireFox browser company called Mozilla VPN. Check out the reviews below, try one, access any porn, and browse the internet in a much safer way without leaving a trail behind.
https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/nordvpn
https://www.tomsguide.com/features/firefox-vpn
LittleBigMan
11-04-20, 02:16
You mean Blocked where you are.I just posted what I saw it doesn't affect me I've here and living it whenever I choose live and in color if I did it would be no problem I got a VPN.
Banana Boi
11-04-20, 05:57
What about the Japanese ones. I like Ayu Sakurai the Bestest Ever. LOL.So many gogo girls used to look like her. Remember the Baccara Pattaya lineup 4+ years ago? It was all Japanese JAV model types many looking as good as Ayu. What happened to girls like that? The Good Old Days of 1996!
My favorite JAV model now is Emi Fukada.
Banana Boi
11-04-20, 06:00
Um, why do you guys need Pornhub in Thailand?
Um, why do you guys need Pornhub in Thailand?In my travels whenever I get a girl to my hotel room I play porn on my laptop sometimes via the tv to encourage them into a variety of positions.
Mr Enternational
11-04-20, 21:17
Maybe she would have had I not shown my mistrust first.
So for you hapless gentlemen who falls for a BG, be very careful before you accuse your special lady of something.Accuse them of what? Most people have no plan or agreement or rules in place when they enter a relationship. So can they really accuse a person of being in violation of something they never explicitly agreed to?
The mother can't provide care. The oldest sister has two children of her own, including a toddler, and a job in Bangkok and can't provide care. Yet again, Secret has to do it, and she wants to do it.
I see that this is one time Secret really needs some emotional support. Am I up to the task? Or is there someone else she will turn to?So what the fuck is the mother doing with kids if she can not provide care? What about the father? What about the father of the sister's 2 children? Is he going to help out his kids' aunt? I will never in 1000 years understand how a foreigner finds himself in situations like this. It is like finding a foreigner is like finding a lucky charm in some countries. He will give us a breath of fresh air and handle all the problems.
A nurse chick that I mess with in Colombia sent me a message this morning saying that her father died and asked for money to go to her hometown. She said she went to someone for a loan but they were out of town. (I am more than out of town; I am out of country.) It just strikes a nerve with me. Sure I stayed in her house last week. She has a nice place. At that time she had told me that work has not paid her in a while. Her sister who has a job (although hours are cut) stayed there. Her brother came over. She was talking to her mom on videocall. That is already 3 family members. They can not pool money or do not care enough to ask people they know or whatever for favors?
Years ago I was messing with a non-pro chick in Pattaya. It had been 2 weeks when she went home and paid 100,000 baht for her father to have an operation. She already had the money, but people on Thai Visa were really serious when they said I should have given her the money. Never mind 1. I had only been dealing with her 2 weeks, 2. I had never met her dad in my life, 3. She did not ask me for the money. As I said before, most foreigners just volunteer themselves to be the ATM.
Secret wanting to do it should not translate into FL Hawk being the ultimate one actually doing it. Or will it be another case of don't worry, the foreigner has our back?
Pimpampoumpipo
11-05-20, 15:28
Um, why do you guys need Pornhub in Thailand?When you are in quarantine.
Can anyone recommend a sim-card for Thailand Pattaya? Visiting in Jan and have an Iphone10. Would appreciate recommendations on something I can buy in advance instead even if it's a bit more expensive to avoid wasting time upon arrival.
How are you allowed to go to Thailand?
Can anyone recommend a sim-card for Thailand Pattaya? Visiting in Jan and have an Iphone10. Would appreciate recommendations on something I can buy in advance instead even if it's a bit more expensive to avoid wasting time upon arrival.
Banana Boi
11-06-20, 06:17
Can anyone recommend a sim-card for Thailand Pattaya? Visiting in Jan and have an Iphone10. Would appreciate recommendations on something I can buy in advance instead even if it's a bit more expensive to avoid wasting time upon arrival.Kudos to you if you're selected to be one of the very few to get in to Thailand in January. In January, 2021 the airports will be completely empty so there won't be any lineup to buy SIM cards from a kiosk. Go to DTAC, AIS, or True. If you're staying for months you could opt for My by CAT as well. If for some unexpected reason there is a line up at the airport kiosks the first 3 have stores in major Pattaya malls. You can Google locations. I believe they still sell SIM cards at 711 stores meaning they are available on every block in Pattaya! There's even one on the lower level at Gate 4 in BKK. You don't need a SIM card when you land at BKK. Not sure you can get a SIM card sent to you as they will need a copy of your passport in order to give you a card.
Can anyone recommend a sim-card for Thailand Pattaya? Visiting in Jan and have an Iphone10. Would appreciate recommendations on something I can buy in advance instead even if it's a bit more expensive to avoid wasting time upon arrival.I think that you will be met by a quarantine team. You can ask them if you can buy one at the airport. If, they say no, your quarantine hotel should be able to take care of a sim card.
LittleBigMan
11-06-20, 07:36
Accuse them of what? Most people have no plan or agreement or rules in place when they enter a relationship. So can they really accuse a person of being in violation of something they never explicitly agreed to?
So what the fuck is the mother doing with kids if she can not provide care? What about the father? What about the father of the sister's 2 children? Is he going to help out his kids' aunt? I will never in 1000 years understand how a foreigner finds himself in situations like this. It is like finding a foreigner is like finding a lucky charm in some countries. He will give us a breath of fresh air and handle all the problems.
A nurse chick that I mess with in Colombia sent me a message this morning saying that her father died and asked for money to go to her hometown. She said she went to someone for a loan but they were out of town. (I am more than out of town; I am out of country.) It just strikes a nerve with me. Sure I stayed in her house last week. She has a nice place. At that time she had told me that work has not paid her in a while. Her sister who has a job (although hours are cut) stayed there. Her brother came over. She was talking to her mom on videocall. That is already 3 family members. They can not pool money or do not care enough to ask people they know or whatever for favors?
Years ago I was messing with a non-pro chick in Pattaya. It had been 2 weeks when she went home and paid 100,000 baht for her father to have an operation. She already had the money, but people on Thai Visa were really serious when they said I should have given her the money. Never mind 1. I had only been dealing with her 2 weeks, 2. I had never met her dad in my life, 3. She did not ask me for the money. As I said before, most foreigners just volunteer themselves to be the ATM.
Secret wanting to do it should not translate into FL Hawk being the ultimate one actually doing it. Or will it be another case of don't worry, the foreigner has our back?This culture they have kids because that is what they do, reproduce because that is what is expected since in general education wise they are done at 15 year old can't find a job so what is next have a kid. They think nothing of it it is like second nature and after a year majority the boys just take off when it gets tough many girls just go out a pick a new one. Coming and going is like second nature they thinking nothing of it the last thing is the child are the ones who are hurt the most but to Thais this is normal I've heard them say " they understand " how can a child understand the reason the tradition continues generation after generation.
It is crazy up here in the farm it's been 2 weeks bitten like crazy with mosquitoes told many times Pattaya and Bangkok isn't the true Thailand that might be the case my inlaws all seem to be fine people all the women relatives all seem to still have their men the kids are all grown what we are talking about doesn't seem to exist here but I know it does but nothing like what is being discussed.
Reality the next two days is my son Dharma Teaching the party is bigger than many weddings I've attended it is like a mad house here the amount of work and preparation is unbelievable I try to help but family just makes sure I eat and rest I guess might be getting me fat and rested to be slaughter? I got anothe two weeks of what I considered suffering but wife seems happy she thought she would never see this day due to her illness I've kept one of my promises to her that I will keep her alive to see the day. Money is pouring out my pocket for this event down deep I have done all I could to make sure my son learn what money can't buy and I'm not sure if the Monks can teach it to them. I see so many boys go through this tradition yet they seem not to learn nothing bunch of bums who just take off and first chance they can get into another piece of ass that is what they do.
As I noted, the female is left to raise and take care of everyone. I'm bored try to watch the dishes pots and pans and they grab me and send me off. Two weeks I made a run into Bangkok for a day or two have a old too old for many of you coming to meet me to help me get over my ordeal the past month!
So many gogo girls used to look like her. Remember the Baccara Pattaya lineup 4+ years ago? It was all Japanese JAV model types many looking as good as Ayu. What happened to girls like that? The Good Old Days of 1996!
My favorite JAV model now is Emi Fukada.I love to look movies with your JAV Star Emi Fukada! But my 2 favorites JAV Stars from Japan are Ayaka Tomoda and Yua Mikami. I met them both during a convention in Taipei and Tokyo.
It's just a pity these JAV Stars don't do escort!
USD dropping like a rock vs the Baht. It dipped under 31 baht yesterday. It's currently at 30.5342 baht and dropping. Per XE.com, the lowest it's been was 29.28 baht in April 2013.
USD dropping like a rock vs the Baht. It dipped under 31 baht yesterday. It's currently at 30.5342 baht and dropping. Per XE.com, the lowest it's been was 29.28 baht in April 2013.US elections fiasco is shrinking the dollar worldwide.
HorseTrader
11-06-20, 16:58
This culture they have kids because that is what they do, reproduce because that is what is expected since in general education wise they are done at 15 year old can't find a job so what is next have a kid. They think nothing of it it is like second nature and after a year majority the boys just take off when it gets tough many girls just go out a pick a new one. Coming and going is like second nature they thinking nothing of it the last thing is the child are the ones who are hurt the most but to Thais this is normal I've heard them say " they understand " how can a child understand the reason the tradition continues generation after generation.
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As I noted, the female is left to raise and take care of everyone...What you wrote is consistent with my experience with Thai people from Isaan. I only know a few people from other parts of Thailand (Bangkok, Nakhon Si Thammarat, and Chiang Mai) and those few people seem to be a bit different.
Are your statements directed about the entire Thai culture or just a certain portion of it?
How are you allowed to go to Thailand?WOW! Had not seen the new entry requirements; I booked the ticket almost 5 months back. Good thing Delta is doing no-fee cancellation.
Looks like I will be pushing this trip out until things get back to normal entry wise there; Was planning on 10 days, not 90 w / a mandatory 14 quarantine.
Banana Boi
11-07-20, 05:39
Was planning on 10 days, not 90 w / a mandatory 14 quarantine.Even IF you were wiling to do a 14 day quarantine, entering is not an option for the general population unless you are from China and you have a boatload of cash to spend or invest in Thailand.
Safer to book for 2022 than 2021.
I beg to differ. A lot chicks have no idea how to use that location shit. Here you go thinking we are talking about brain surgeons again. Plenty of times I have had chicks on the way to see me and I send them my location then they get lost. I ask where they are and to send location and they have no idea how to do it and I have to go out and hunt for them. Then there are others that know how to send location for me to get to them but it is the totally wrong location. As far as them sending location in order to try to catch them in a lie, I could care less. When you catch them in a lie then what?Concept of location and maps indeed are not the strong point of many, even sending clear Google map link over line many still can't find to my place and only a discussion with another Thai to explain will resolve it.
About year back met a chick who had 3 'boyfriends' in Europe and she was struggling to keep them all at control to ensure sponsorship continues. One of the guys, German I recall, was insisting her to send location at random times. I installed GPS emulator app to her phone and she continued to thank about it on several appointments as made her life easier. Said few other ladies thankful too as she showed to them how to manage the location sending issue 555. Just saw her couple weeks back and money still flowing she told. Is really amazing to hear how some guys are downright stupid.
Franciscass
11-07-20, 17:18
I love to look movies with your JAV Star Emi Fukada! But my 2 favorites JAV Stars from Japan are Ayaka Tomoda and Yua Mikami. I met them both during a convention in Taipei and Tokyo.
It's just a pity these JAV Stars don't do escort!Gee Gilolo I'm surprised with your game you didn't manage with either. I've had so called JAV models, they are available but you need to know some local Tokyo players to set it up.
And then it's silly prices (300 K yen up) and to be honest not the best shags by any means not value for money but when you watch the videos you can say hey I fucked her.
Accuse them of what? Most people have no plan or agreement or rules in place when they enter a relationship. So can they really accuse a person of being in violation of something they never explicitly agreed to?
I think you misunderstand what I was saying. I falsely accused her of going back to Pattaya to work in the bar. I displayed a prejudice against her. She had otherwise been quite honest with me and did not deserve for me to jump to such a false conclusion, made simply because she had been a BG in the past and because I fell for the stereotypical belief espoused by many here that once a BG always a BG and they can never be trusted. If there was a "violation", it was my display of outright and undeserved prejudice.
So what the fuck is the mother doing with kids if she can not provide care? What about the father? What about the father of the sister's 2 children? Is he going to help out his kids' aunt?
Um, would you blast your own mother for having had kids over 30 years ago if she became handicapped 5 years ago and was thereafter unable to continue to care for them any longer? That is essentially the situation here. She had 3 children from 2 husbands, the last one dying about 15 years ago. Hardly a baby making machine.
I will never in 1000 years understand how a foreigner finds himself in situations like this. It is like finding a foreigner is like finding a lucky charm in some countries. He will give us a breath of fresh air and handle all the problems.
Haha. Me neither! I may have a possible answer later of how it happens, not that it ever should.
I know he did. If I remember correctly he is way past minimum qualification for social security.
I don't yet quality for full benefits. Not that it is any of your business.
It matters.
In what way does it matter for me or Secret, or at least in a way that is any of your business?
If he is middle age it's even more cringe. A Thai barmaid with a kid and old mother to support? Come on man.
You seem to have a strong propensity for cringing at stuff that does not concern you. Let's see. If she did not have a kid to support, would that be ok for you? Or no mother but a kid, would you still cringe? How about if she was Thai but not a barmaid, is that personally acceptable to you. Or if she was Thai and was briefly a barmaid, but is out of the business, could you forgive that and not vomit when you see, her man, her kid and mother? Or, how about if she was a western woman with a kid and / or mother to support? Hmmm, I bet that is ok, as there are millions of them throughout the western world. How about if she is a Vietnamese barmaid with a mother and / or kid to support, would that cause you to cringe? I mean, is there something simply about the woman being Thai that sends you into convulsions? Or is it simply any young Asian women with a western middle-aged man that makes you want to point them out to the world for ridicule? And how would you even know if the woman is a barmaid or not? If you see a middle-aged man out with a younger Asian woman, perhaps with a kid in tow, will you go over to her and say "Can you tell me if you work in a bar so I can decide if I should be all cringy now?" Or will you simply cringe out whenever you see a middle-aged man with a younger Asian woman with or without a child in tow, just to make sure you have all your cringe-worthy bases covered? And of course, it the woman is western, you probably don't even notice. It is only Thai or Asians with middle-aged western men that upset you I assume. Opps, I mean any young Asian woman with ANY older western man. Wow.
I think it would be more productive for this forum if, rather than saying "It matters" followed by snarky comments of disdain and disgust, to finally tell us WHY it matters and WHY it makes you cringe and WHY you feel it is any business of yours.
I have said a number of times that there are three big unalterable things than can ruin this relationship I have / had; those being cultural differences, language problems and age. But you do not know Secret or her reasons for carrying on with me. You may think you know, but you barely have a clue. All you know is what I have written here, colored by your own obvious prejudices and biases, yet you dare to tell me that our relationship has caused you to cringe and compel you to resort to personal attacks and insults.
Feel free to point out the pitfalls of older man / younger woman relationships. That is a wide open topic which I have been addressing and I will participate in further.
So many gogo girls used to look like her. Remember the Baccara Pattaya lineup 4+ years ago? It was all Japanese JAV model types many looking as good as Ayu. What happened to girls like that? The Good Old Days of 1996!
My favorite JAV model now is Emi Fukada.Again my friend, you show we have similar tastes. But alas, I am 89 and too old even for her. Haha.
Mr Enternational
11-08-20, 01:41
Her younger sister had been in a horrible auto accident. Her teenaged sister's leg was crushed and fractured into pieces and pieces. The mother can't provide care.
Um, would you blast your own mother for having had kids over 30 years ago if she became handicapped 5 years ago and was thereafter unable to continue to care for them any longer?Guess I am confused. You said the teenage sister's leg was crushed but now the mom had kids over 30 years ago, which would mean they are now adults.
Guess I am confused. You said the teenage sister's leg was crushed but now the mom had kids over 30 years ago, which would mean they are now adults.I've been confused since this epic started. Harder to figure out than Beowulf.
PedroMorales
11-08-20, 09:54
For those of you not bored to death by that fool's "romance", I need you to send ME money now. Let me explain. I fool about on the love sites, telling women I love them, how pretty they are etc. I keep it clean, as one should always do with third world hookers.
This chick replied: Send me money.
Me: How much.
She: 100. I have paypal.
Me: Send you money without even talking to you, knowing you, dating (ha ha) you?
She: No reply yet.
Guys, I really need your help in this as I am sure this is the love of my life, that we will marry and have kids together. However, as I don't feel I should take all the risks, I want you guys to pony up. In return, I will post occasional updates here st my discretion. I am not sure if I can invite any of you to the wedding but your help there is also appreciated (paypal only).
PedroMorales
11-08-20, 12:28
I asked my future wife to tell me something, about herself before I send her on money. She replies like wtf, why am I so pushy? I don't know her name, nothing. She is probably a male Nigerian scammer but, as she has zero chance of getting a nickel out of me, who cares? A lot of these women post they are not toys to be f-the with. Don't know why they blame me as I did not write the LBFM playbook.
These secretes develop in such a way that they just want handouts their entire herpes ridden lives. I pity the farmers expecting these lumps to save the hay.
Going into SE Asia high season and not a monger in sight. This is even worse than when Pampanga was covered in volcanic ash.
Again my friend, you show we have similar tastes. But alas, I am 89 and too old even for her. Haha.You are phenomenal. You are most likely older than your intended whose mother started having children over thirty years ago and one of whose daughters got her leg crushed when she was a teenager. If I were in your shoes I would do what I can to help them.
I've been confused since this epic started. Harder to figure out than Beowulf.And far less interesting.
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