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You naysayers are going to be so embarrassed when we get to the part where she shows up at his hotel room door (pre Covid) all pretty and shaved as smooth as a billiard ball, fitted up with those time-release birth control pellets in her arm, deep dives into DFK and prolonged teasing BBBJ all on her own initiative, insists on BBFS+CIP without hesitation or BBFS+CIM+Swallow, totally up to him whenever he wants for the duration of their time together in gratitude for his unrequested support and to celebrate their special relationship based primarily on honesty.
And all with no more urgent rescue money bomb hints dropped here and there on a regular basis. That's bound to be the payoff ending.
You and I are not the only ones that happens to if we just behave politely, generously and hope for the best. There is way too much cynicism here.
LittleBigMan
11-09-20, 05:28
What you wrote is consistent with my experience with Thai people from Isaan. I only know a few people from other parts of Thailand (Bangkok, Nakhon Si Thammarat, and Chiang Mai) and those few people seem to be a bit different.
Are your statements directed about the entire Thai culture or just a certain portion of it?Sorry for the delayed! Been preparing the last two weeks up here in the farm for my son Dharma ceremony. Not being religious I never thought too much about it but when it got here it is unbelievable the undertaking the important it seem to be in their culture for the male if you can actually afford. The days leading up to the 7-8th was like watching them put the Super Bowl together family members coming out of the woodworks to help tents, table, chairs, water tanks, plates, spoons, we spend 4 hours at Makro one day buying all the necessary items had them deliver everything and I mean everything in a flatbed truck. They used the family tractors to prepare the emtpy rai of land that hasn't had homes built dig areas for cleaning and cooking I wasn't allow to help too much my assignment was to stay clear and work on the house itself. While doing so it was like watching her family put together one of those Moster truck shows over a weekend everyone knew exactly what to do and when to do it the major event went on for two straight days with very little sleep up by 4 am with music, get shower and here we go again. The last day being his father I and the mother dress up in traditional clothes lead a small parade with family dancing in front of the tractor playing music it was like a float for Songkran, a few hours spent at the Temple, praying, chanting with the Monks, then the final is to return to the house with 19 Monks in the living room and my son giving his final respect to us. An hour after the Monk left with their donation and food the family had already removed and clean up 90%.
I will be the first to admit in 15 years I've haven't travel to many places in Thailand so in no way I'm a expert to answer your question. First and foremost my opinions are a vast generalization I've talked to many people who have lived in Thailand and I've never been challenged as to my views. When you speak about Isaan maybe because so many women working in the P4 P industry comes from that section and do their trade in Pattaya and Bangkok. Years back I met and spend a lot of time with P4 P and what I experience with them pretty much comfirm what I already concluded but of course outside of the region of Isaan these view do exist girls working in the business do come from throughout Thailand.
What I do know how they think in Bangkok and Pattaya been told many times even by Thais that these two places aren't part of Thailand. The way I've been treated outside of these two places and certainly with the experience I've had with her family and the region they reside would confirm. Everyone I've met in her town, village, since day one has been nothing short of respectful since we met 20 years ago the last two weeks I've gotten to know the men and women better they speak to my wife from the expression on their face I'm one of them and after the event I made sure to go around on my own drink and THANK them personally!
Banana Boi
11-09-20, 05:31
For me that's $25,000 up in smoke. My balance of 800,000 bath in Bangkok Bank.Are you saying you have an OA Visa in Thailand? Have I misunderstood?
If you are really concerned. You can easily get your money out of Bangkok Bank. Get one of your favorite girls who you trust to withdraw the money and send it back to you. Before you think this is such a crazy idea I have been having my favorite girl doing this exact thing. I had way more than 800 k in my Thai bank account.
If you don't have any girls who would go the extra mile for you I'm sure you could call Bangkok Bank through your home bank and have them work something out.
LittleBigMan
11-09-20, 06:09
One Indian in Phuket has Covid. Restaurant worker. All beejesus is breaking loose. At this rate we will never be able to come back.
For me that's $25,000 up in smoke. My balance of 800,000 bath in Bangkok Bank.
Anyone want my card. LOL.Not sure why you will lose 25,000, trust is everything right I'll take your card if you need the money withdrawn let me know.
Are you saying you have an OA Visa in Thailand? Have I misunderstood?
If you are really concerned. You can easily get your money out of Bangkok Bank. Get one of your favorite girls who you trust to withdraw the money and send it back to you. Before you think this is such a crazy idea I have been having my favorite girl doing this exact thing. I had way more than 800 k in my Thai bank account.
If you don't have any girls who would go the extra mile for you I'm sure you could call Bangkok Bank through your home bank and have them work something out.Is it not possible to create an online TransferWise account and make quick and somewhat inexpensive transfers from your Thailand bank account to your home country bank account? I honestly don't know if that is possible since I only make transfers from my home country bank to my Thailand bank and not the other way around. I didn't need to be present at either bank to set it up. It was alll done over the Internet.
Costs about $10 USD per $1,000 USD transferred overseas and takes 2 business days or less to receive it.
Danny Duck
11-09-20, 20:41
Are you saying you have an OA Visa in Thailand? Have I misunderstood?
If you are really concerned. You can easily get your money out of Bangkok Bank. Get one of your favorite girls who you trust to withdraw the money and send it back to you. Before you think this is such a crazy idea I have been having my favorite girl doing this exact thing. I had way more than 800 k in my Thai bank account.
If you don't have any girls who would go the extra mile for you I'm sure you could call Bangkok Bank through your home bank and have them work something out.I'd like to know what inactive accounts policies Thailand banks have?
In America I'm sure you get a long time before institution turns money over to Government.
HorseTrader
11-10-20, 00:12
Is it not possible to create an online TransferWise account and make quick and somewhat inexpensive transfers from your Thailand bank account to your home country bank account? I honestly don't know if that is possible since I only make transfers from my home country bank to my Thailand bank and not the other way around. I didn't need to be present at either bank to set it up. It was alll done over the Internet.
Costs about $10 USD per $1,000 USD transferred overseas and takes 2 business days or less to receive it.About 5 years ago one of my USA citizen Thai girlfriend sold 2 pieces of Thailand real estate and she needed to move about 100,000 USD from her Thailand bank to her USA bank. I suggested she looked into bank to bank transfers, but she said that was expensive. I didn't look at details. In the end she carried about 10,000 USD cash to USA after each Thailand visit. She had friends and family act as mules.
I thought that was a terrible system, but she insisted that it was the best way for her.
LittleBigMan
11-10-20, 01:55
I'd like to know what inactive accounts policies Thailand banks have?
In America I'm sure you get a long time before institution turns money over to Government.You might want to look up Deemoney.com?
Banana Boi
11-10-20, 05:26
Is it not possible to create an online TransferWise account and make quick and somewhat inexpensive transfers from your Thailand bank account to your home country bank account? Transferwise didn't work for her getting money out of Thailand. She used Western Union. Lost about 0.5% on exchange rates but if Danny is truly concerned about losing his 800k baht that's a VERY small price to pay. Doesn't this invalidate his OA Retirement Visa though?
Guess I am confused. You said the teenage sister's leg was crushed but now the mom had kids over 30 years ago, which would mean they are now adults.Sorry for the confusion. The 2 daughters from the first marriage are in their mid-30's. The last daughter, from a second marriage to man now deceased, is in her late teens. She is the one who was injured. To add to the confusion, both of the older daughters have children who are roughly the same age as their youngest aunt, all 3 being in their late teens. And the oldest daughter has a son about to turn 2. She has been married to the same man throughout. So, the mother has a total of 3 grandchildren. This is not exactly an irresponsible, baby making family. I can add too that the mother never encouraged anyone to go to Pattaya to work, and was instrumental in getting Secret to quit the bar. She and Secret are determined that the youngest will go to college, to study either teaching or nursing.
Mr Enternational
11-10-20, 18:37
Sorry for the confusion. The 2 daughters from the first marriage are in their mid-30's. The last daughter, from a second marriage to man now deceased, is in her late teens. LOL. Man I have not even dug that deep into my own family!
LittleBigMan
11-11-20, 02:37
LOL. Man I have not even dug that deep into my own family!For sure he is digging deep but does he really understand what is being dug up?
For sure he is digging deep but does he really understand what is being dug up?There may be a different story with DNA.
LittleBigMan
11-11-20, 09:34
There may be a different story with DNA.Based on what F. H. Wrote and Mr. E short comment has little to do with DNA, his description of the family and history isn't unique one bit in fact heard thousands of times within the region where the girl is from. I'm a believer in many of the teaching of Lao Tsu from my early early days? Basically everyone is created equal or the same it is society or our culture that modes us when we are growing the history he was told or dug up is just that has very little to do with DNA of course that is my opinion.
From what is written we differ as to it interpretation as to how it came about.
For sure he is digging deep . . . .At the current time of the story, she and I had shared many, many thousands of text messages. I could count on both hands the number of 24-hour periods where we had not texted each other since early May 2019. I have learned many things about her through our messages. We are not digging. We are simply texting about our lives and these things come out over the weeks and months of conversing. I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?
. . . . but does he really understand what is being dug up?I am constantly looking for things that need to be dug up. If you have any specifics of something I am missing, please advise. This story is not so much about me, but to help others about to be drawn in by an evil Thai BG. I was obviously drawn, so pointing out what I missed, so as to help someone else avoid the pitfalls and traps, is welcome.
Danny Duck
11-11-20, 16:52
At the current time of the story, she and I had shared many, many thousands of text messages. I could count on both hands the number of 24-hour periods where we had not texted each other since early May 2019. I have learned many things about her through our messages. We are not digging. We are simply texting about our lives and these things come out over the weeks and months of conversing. I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?
I am constantly looking for things that need to be dug up. If you have any specifics of something I am missing, please advise. This story is not so much about me, but to help others about to be drawn in by an evil Thai BG. I was obviously drawn, so pointing out what I missed, so as to help someone else avoid the pitfalls and traps, is welcome.I am simple. If you not actually living in Thailand don't Do relationships.
Fire away. LOL. I can take it.
Danny Duck
11-11-20, 17:05
Parameter with Thai girl, not Bargirl exclusive.
Example. 35×2 = 70. If 70 is less than a common human metric- you off in la la land. Numbers need to be adjusted to your specifics but the theoretical concept is there.
Can someone identify the metric. I will pay your Entrance Fee to a Rainbow Bar of choice. LOL.
Mr Enternational
11-11-20, 19:24
I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?You right about that. My girlfriend is not a bar girl, but the only thing she writes everyday is Hello, how are you, have a good day. Works for me. Beats all the bullshit complaining I have to hear from chicks that I mess with in other countries.
I wonder what impression of the future you are giving her, by texting everyday. And I assume texts about her dreams and hopes. In my opinion, for whattever it's worth, you owe her a big sum of money or a future with you for taking that amount of time. My prediction on how this turns out is that you will have been very unfair to her and have taken advantage of her, by preying on her hopes.
Either play the fool and jump in or play the cynic and cut and run.
Boo on you.
At the current time of the story, she and I had shared many, many thousands of text messages. I could count on both hands the number of 24-hour periods where we had not texted each other since early May 2019. I have learned many things about her through our messages. We are not digging. We are simply texting about our lives and these things come out over the weeks and months of conversing. I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?
I am constantly looking for things that need to be dug up. If you have any specifics of something I am missing, please advise. This story is not so much about me, but to help others about to be drawn in by an evil Thai BG. I was obviously drawn, so pointing out what I missed, so as to help someone else avoid the pitfalls and traps, is welcome.
I am simple. If you not actually living in Thailand don't Do relationships.
Fire away. LOL. I can take it.Fire away? I agree with you! Yes, don't do it!
I wonder what impression of the future you are giving her, by texting everyday. And I assume texts about her dreams and hopes. In my opinion, for whattever it's worth, you owe her a big sum of money or a future with you for taking that amount of time. My prediction on how this turns out is that you will have been very unfair to her and have taken advantage of her, by preying on her hopes.
Either play the fool and jump in or play the cynic and cut and run.
Boo on you.We did not talk that often about my hopes and dreams and, as I said, she did not want to have them herself as they never came true. But during this time of sorrow, we did speak of them as I wanted to cheer her up and discuss good things. My dream? To build a cabin on a mountain top and build an observatory, and to take her on cruise (which was scheduled for this month, BTW). The only dream she shared was to build a small home in her village.
But I hear what you are saying.
Ok, so Secret's sister was involved in a horrible accident and had to be transported to a distant hospital for care. Secret, along with their mother, went to stay with the girl to provide care and support. It was a long and tortuous experience for them all and a moving story, and I will try to be brief.
But first, as the integrity of the mother has been questioned, I will state that the mother accompanied them to the hospital to support her daughters. She is physically challenged, suffering from skin diseases due to diabetes complications and a long hard life in the rice fields. She stayed with them for nearly 3 weeks, first sleeping on the floor in the visitor's lounge. I could not stand for that, for if the mother caught CV-19 she would likely have died, and this was during the beginning states of the virus in Thailand. I arranged for them to stay in a hotel (they neither asked for nor hinted at wanting a room) then fortunately, a week later the family demanded the mother go home for her safety, after which Secret was able to share her sister's bed in the ward to save money. I think I did the right thing. I later discovered that I impressed the mother, as well as the teen, who I had sent flowers. It was her first time anyone sent her flowers, and it was the rage on her social media page.
And speaking of the girl's social media page (ok, I am diverging a bit), I saw where she asked for blood donations for herself in the early days. And she raised 10,000 baht from her followers to pay for a more appropriate prosthetic limb than what the government would provide. And later she started an online business selling clothes and cosmetics to add to the family finances, plus the 16 why / o son found work and started contributing to the finances as well. I am impressed by this girl, who took the initiative and is planning to attend college and study nursing.
During this time in the hospital Secret had more time to text than when she was working at the factory, and we learned more about each other. We were slowly growing closer, but long-distance relationships with all of the problems of distance, language and age are difficult to deal with and overcome. We mostly talked about family, our future plans, her family, my family at times, some of our hopes and dreams. She was hesitant to talk around her dreams, saying they never came true for her. But while we had some nice and occasionally deep conversations, they still didn't seem like what they should be if we were really boyfriend and girlfriend. And that was understandable. It was over 6 months since we were last together and she had been to hell and only a fraction of the way back. Romance was not high on her priority list at this point. But, in hindsight, she was sticking around and we shared thousands of texts. That was saying something I suppose.
But allow me to discuss one interesting discussion we had concerning honesty. She and the doctors knew the girl was likely to lose part of her leg from day one, but Secret kept telling the then 16 why / o it was all going to be fine. I asked why she was not telling the girl the truth. She said that as long as there was hope she wanted her sister to believe everything would be ok. She felt it was better to think everything was ok than to know the sad truth before you actually had to know it. This is not the way we typically feel in the west, but this was not my sister and not my country. What experience do some you guys have with this that they can justify lying?
Back home, after over 6 weeks in the hospital, Secret finally broke down to ask for help. With the land having been paid off, she didn't need much to survive on, and she only wanted a bit to help the children with some things for school. The son was growing and the sister, well, needed some things to accommodate her new handicapped life. I asked how much she wanted. She would not give a figure, almost getting upset that I had to ask, like I should just know. I said I couldn't read her mind. It was obvious she felt shame at having to ask me, and later she said she feared I would leave her if she was a burden to me. But I just wanted to know what she needed to buy and how much it would cost, rather than for me to just send her a wad of cash. But when I said "tell me what you need! She clammed up and said "never mind" and refused to talk about it anymore. Stubborn Thai women! Haha. I let it drop for a little while, curious to see if she would come back to ask again, but she didn't. Next day I brought it back up, and by asking questions I got her to start answering. If I said something like "This costs x baht and that costs yy baht, right? That was fine. But if I said "you want me to give you zz baht" as more of a statement than a question, she would back away. Is this typical for Thai women?
The total amount was peanuts but, of course a yellow flag went up. Was I growing the black hole which would eventually suck me and my finances in? She had to be very low on cash by that point and she needed work soon or I might her asking me or running off somewhere to make money. The last 15 months had been horrible for her. First the disgusting bar work and then a large degree of unemployment, her accident, dealing with me, the sister's accident and continued unemployment. Before the last half of 2019 and meeting me and working in the bar, she had never been unemployed. She was not only exhausted and mentally drained, she was sick with worry and guilt for failing to care for her family.
Ok. So by this time I had discovered her social media page. It had some interesting things, some of relevance which I have discussed previously, and I may bring up a few more later. Her injured sister had made progress and was able to fend for herself now. Then one of her friends or followers started talking about going to Pattaya. She replied there was no work there but, a few days later she is all in, saying "Let's go to Pattaya!" She even got a brief message from her previous bar manager, asking how she was doing. She replied "fine" with a few smiley faces. But I wondered if she was joking about going. She said nothing to me about going anywhere. Then one day she was shopping with the kids, and then she goes dark. I knew she was going somewhere far away at that point. We pretty much had a set schedule of when we texted, and when she missed two of those schedules, I guessed she had traveled to either Bangkok or Pattaya. When she finally texted me again, she excitedly told me she was leaving the village to start massage school. Sheesh. But, indeed, over a year ago she had told me she wanted to have a massage shop at her house. The house was large enough and, I guess, after 2 months of school, she could get her license and open her own business. She thought she could make enough money in her village to survive. Since she had told me before there was some legitimacy to the story.
She sent me a photo of the apartment she would be sharing with a girlfriend, so she was there already. I was quite suspicious, as she had not told me any of this in advance. I mean, one day I don't hear from her and the next she is some city signing up for massage school. To me, it seemed obvious she was in Pattaya, and she was hiding that fact from me. Was she there to attend school or to do adult work though? After several days I asked where she was, as she had not yet told me. She gave me the name of a small city about an hour away from her home, a border town. I supposed it could have a massage school, and she said her staying with a friend would save money. But my gut told me she was in Pattaya.
But I had been wrong before. I decided to play along and act like I believed her (and maybe she was telling me the truth).
LittleBigMan posted a message asking if I knew what I was digging up. It is time for me to do some digging to find out where she is and what she will be doing. True, it is none of my business, but if she is lying to me I had the right to stop seeing her. With knowledge of the truth, I can decide what action that is appropriate for me. And, guys, we are getting close to end. I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.
You come across to me as a horrible manipulative predator. I used to really enjoy and look forward to your posts. Does she know you're relating all this about her for your fun.
Ok, so Secret's sister was involved in a horrible accident and had to be transported to a distant hospital for care. Secret, along with their mother, went to stay with the girl to provide care and support. It was a long and tortuous experience for them all and a moving story, and I will try to be brief.
But first, as the integrity of the mother has been questioned, I will state that the mother accompanied them to the hospital to support her daughters. She is physically challenged, suffering from skin diseases due to diabetes complications and a long hard life in the rice fields. She stayed with them for nearly 3 weeks, first sleeping on the floor in the visitor's lounge. I could not stand for that, for if the mother caught CV-19 she would likely have died, and this was during the beginning states of the virus in Thailand. I arranged for them to stay in a hotel (they neither asked for nor hinted at wanting a room) then fortunately, a week later the family demanded the mother go home for her safety, after which Secret was able to share her sister's bed in the ward to save money. I think I did the right thing. I later discovered that I impressed the mother, as well as the teen, who I had sent flowers. It was her first time anyone sent her flowers, and it was the rage on her social media page.
And speaking of the girl's social media page (ok, I am diverging a bit), I saw where she asked for blood donations for herself in the early days. And she raised 10,000 baht from her followers to pay for a more appropriate prosthetic limb than what the government would provide. And later she started an online business selling clothes and cosmetics to add to the family finances, plus the 16 why / o son found work and started contributing to the finances as well. I am impressed by this girl, who took the initiative and is planning to attend college and study nursing.
During this time in the hospital Secret had more time to text than when she was working at the factory, and we learned more about each other. We were slowly growing closer, but long-distance relationships with all of the problems of distance, language and age are difficult to deal with and overcome. We mostly talked about family, our future plans, her family, my family at times, some of our hopes and dreams. She was hesitant to talk around her dreams, saying they never came true for her. But while we had some nice and occasionally deep conversations, they still didn't seem like what they should be if we were really boyfriend and girlfriend. And that was understandable. It was over 6 months since we were last together and she had been to hell and only a fraction of the way back. Romance was not high on her priority list at this point. But, in hindsight, she was sticking around and we shared thousands of texts. That was saying something I suppose.
But allow me to discuss one interesting discussion we had concerning honesty. She and the doctors knew the girl was likely to lose part of her leg from day one, but Secret kept telling the then 16 why / o it was all going to be fine. I asked why she was not telling the girl the truth. She said that as long as there was hope she wanted her sister to believe everything would be ok. She felt it was better to think everything was ok than to know the sad truth before you actually had to know it. This is not the way we typically feel in the west, but this was not my sister and not my country. What experience do some you guys have with this that they can justify lying?
Back home, after over 6 weeks in the hospital, Secret finally broke down to ask for help. With the land having been paid off, she didn't need much to survive on, and she only wanted a bit to help the children with some things for school. The son was growing and the sister, well, needed some things to accommodate her new handicapped life. I asked how much she wanted. She would not give a figure, almost getting upset that I had to ask, like I should just know. I said I couldn't read her mind. It was obvious she felt shame at having to ask me, and later she said she feared I would leave her if she was a burden to me. But I just wanted to know what she needed to buy and how much it would cost, rather than for me to just send her a wad of cash. But when I said "tell me what you need! She clammed up and said "never mind" and refused to talk about it anymore. Stubborn Thai women! Haha. I let it drop for a little while, curious to see if she would come back to ask again, but she didn't. Next day I brought it back up, and by asking questions I got her to start answering. If I said something like "This costs x baht and that costs yy baht, right? That was fine. But if I said "you want me to give you zz baht" as more of a statement than a question, she would back away. Is this typical for Thai women?
The total amount was peanuts but, of course a yellow flag went up. Was I growing the black hole which would eventually suck me and my finances in? She had to be very low on cash by that point and she needed work soon or I might her asking me or running off somewhere to make money. The last 15 months had been horrible for her. First the disgusting bar work and then a large degree of unemployment, her accident, dealing with me, the sister's accident and continued unemployment. Before the last half of 2019 and meeting me and working in the bar, she had never been unemployed. She was not only exhausted and mentally drained, she was sick with worry and guilt for failing to care for her family.
Ok. So by this time I had discovered her social media page. It had some interesting things, some of relevance which I have discussed previously, and I may bring up a few more later. Her injured sister had made progress and was able to fend for herself now. Then one of her friends or followers started talking about going to Pattaya. She replied there was no work there but, a few days later she is all in, saying "Let's go to Pattaya!" She even got a brief message from her previous bar manager, asking how she was doing. She replied "fine" with a few smiley faces. But I wondered if she was joking about going. She said nothing to me about going anywhere. Then one day she was shopping with the kids, and then she goes dark. I knew she was going somewhere far away at that point. We pretty much had a set schedule of when we texted, and when she missed two of those schedules, I guessed she had traveled to either Bangkok or Pattaya. When she finally texted me again, she excitedly told me she was leaving the village to start massage school. Sheesh. But, indeed, over a year ago she had told me she wanted to have a massage shop at her house. The house was large enough and, I guess, after 2 months of school, she could get her license and open her own business. She thought she could make enough money in her village to survive. Since she had told me before there was some legitimacy to the story.
She sent me a photo of the apartment she would be sharing with a girlfriend, so she was there already. I was quite suspicious, as she had not told me any of this in advance. I mean, one day I don't hear from her and the next she is some city signing up for massage school. To me, it seemed obvious she was in Pattaya, and she was hiding that fact from me. Was she there to attend school or to do adult work though? After several days I asked where she was, as she had not yet told me. She gave me the name of a small city about an hour away from her home, a border town. I supposed it could have a massage school, and she said her staying with a friend would save money. But my gut told me she was in Pattaya.
But I had been wrong before. I decided to play along and act like I believed her (and maybe she was telling me the truth).
LittleBigMan posted a message asking if I knew what I was digging up. It is time for me to do some digging to find out where she is and what she will be doing. True, it is none of my business, but if she is lying to me I had the right to stop seeing her. With knowledge of the truth, I can decide what action that is appropriate for me. And, guys, we are getting close to end. I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.
LittleBigMan
11-12-20, 01:39
At the current time of the story, she and I had shared many, many thousands of text messages. I could count on both hands the number of 24-hour periods where we had not texted each other since early May 2019. I have learned many things about her through our messages. We are not digging. We are simply texting about our lives and these things come out over the weeks and months of conversing. I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?
I am constantly looking for things that need to be dug up. If you have any specifics of something I am missing, please advise. This story is not so much about me, but to help others about to be drawn in by an evil Thai BG. I was obviously drawn, so pointing out what I missed, so as to help someone else avoid the pitfalls and traps, is welcome.All I will say is I don't have the writing skills as the others and certainly not the time see, I acutally have to attend to some sick buffaloes and hogs. You have enough guys to play around with here texting is what the girls do especially when you already made an installment look at it as phone sex? You can text another 1000 times or as we call it (dig) it wouldn't matter.
Mr Enternational
11-12-20, 01:40
And speaking of the girl's social media page (ok, I am diverging a bit), I saw where she asked for blood donations for herself in the early days. And she raised 10,000 baht from her followers to pay for a more appropriate prosthetic limb than what the government would provide.Seems like I mentioned before if the people are really in dire need, why couldn't they just ask all of their friends. Worked for a leg. Why did nobody think to do it when it came to losing a house and land?
But while we had some nice and occasionally deep conversations, they still didn't seem like what they should be if we were really boyfriend and girlfriend.I am still not getting the idea of getting into some kind of relationship with someone that is not doing the things you like. I thought people got into relationships because they found someone that does the things they like. For instance I love getting my dick sucked from the back. I meet a chick and say hey this is the chick for me even though she never sucks my dick from the back. Then every week I complain to my buddies that my girl never sucks my dick from the back. That would beg the question as to why I got involved with her in the first place.
But allow me to discuss one interesting discussion we had concerning honesty. She and the doctors knew the girl was likely to lose part of her leg from day one, but Secret kept telling the then 16 why / o it was all going to be fine. I asked why she was not telling the girl the truth. She said that as long as there was hope she wanted her sister to believe everything would be ok. She felt it was better to think everything was ok than to know the sad truth before you actually had to know it. This is not the way we typically feel in the west, but this was not my sister and not my country. What experience do some you guys have with this that they can justify lying?Why is that not typical in the west? Sure it is. I remember when my aunt was lying in the hospital dying and the doctor told her she had a maximum of 2 weeks to live. My dad got all bent out of shape that they would tell her that. Why did my dad not want the doctor to tell my aunt the truth? Same aunt when I was taking a photography class in grad school I did self portraits where my girl left me and I killed myself. My aunt was disappointed that I would do such a project and thought I should have done something more happy with flowers and shit. People of all cultures want to shy away from sad shit no matter how true it may be.
Back home, after over 6 weeks in the hospital, Secret finally broke down to ask for help. With the land having been paid off, she didn't need much to survive on, and she only wanted a bit to help the children with some things for school. The son was growing and the sister, well, needed some things to accommodate her new handicapped life. I asked how much she wanted. She would not give a figure, almost getting upset that I had to ask, like I should just know. I said I couldn't read her mind.Say okay I will send 300 baht. Why hemming and hawing all the time? One thing people on this planet will always need is money. You did not solve their life by paying off the house. More shit is going to come up all the time that requires money. Never even turn that spigot on, because you will never be able to water that flower enough.
Too many foreigners have gone to places like Thailand and learned that lesson the hard expensive way; never taking note from those that went before them and were sent home destitute after they were used up. Like that funny ass movie My Thai Bride where the dude from England had to beg his Thai wife to buy him a ticket to get back to England after he had spent his life savings on her and her family.
It was obvious she felt shame at having to ask me, and later she said she feared I would leave her if she was a burden to me. But I just wanted to know what she needed to buy and how much it would cost, rather than for me to just send her a wad of cash. But when I said "tell me what you need! She clammed up and said "never mind" and refused to talk about it anymore. Stubborn Thai women! Haha. I let it drop for a little while, curious to see if she would come back to ask again, but she didn't. Next day I brought it back up, and by asking questions I got her to start answering. Is this typical for Thai women?
The total amount was peanuts but, of course a yellow flag went up. Was I growing the black hole which would eventually suck me and my finances in? What yellow flag? This is all your doing. It seems like you are the stubborn one being a glutton for being the family ATM by not letting it go. As I said before, it is not the chicks that go begging for money. It is the foreigners that force it upon them. You couldn't just drop it and be happy not having to send money. You had to force out of her how much you should send to her.
Then one of her friends or followers started talking about going to Pattaya. She replied there was no work there but, a few days later she is all in, saying "Let's go to Pattaya!" She even got a brief message from her previous bar manager, asking how she was doing. She replied "fine" with a few smiley faces. But I wondered if she was joking about going.Pattaya is not just a place that chicks go fuck for money. It is a party place that many go to just to have fun and party and let their hair down. With all the stuff you say was going on in her life then why would she not want to get away and "blow off" (pun intended) some steam?
She said nothing to me about going anywhere.Does she need to?
LittleBigMan posted a message asking if I knew what I was digging up. It is time for me to do some digging to find out where she is and what she will be doing. True, it is none of my business, but if she is lying to me I had the right to stop seeing her. Why? Why? Why do you even care where she was and what she was doing? Again, what kind of "seeing each other" agreement did you guys have in place?
And, guys, we are getting close to end. I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.My long-term prediction for your relationship would be that it is, unfortunately, not good.
My opinion is that anyone who posts or is on the ISG forum should probably not be seeking long-term relationships at the moment. If you're communicating on this forum and participating in activities that relate to P4 P, then it tells me that in terms of love-life, you would be more happy if you stick with the convenience of paying for short-term "love" and affection like the majority of us ISG members. Healthy, long-term "love" is just not in our DNA at the moment as long as we find ourselves here or similar types of forums.
Also, healthy relationships have strong foundations of trust. It seems like you have a lot of mistrust in this relationship. Trying to constantly force trust or validate trust seems futile to me. Based on initial interactions and continuing communication, you either have trust for each other or you don't. Having selective trust or no trust is just not going work in the long-run.
There's nothing wrong if your goal is to have short-term relationships. Most of the ISG community's reports are based on that anyways; short 1-2 hour relationships.
And this has nothing to do with the fact that she comes with a background in P4 P. I think two people can find love and happiness anywhere.
It's just the fact that I don't think you're in a healthy, mental state where you'd be happy in a healthy, long-term relationship.
Again, my prediction is that the ultimate ending to your love story will end in gloom. Sure, you two could still "be together" right now in whatever relationship dynamic that you two have accepted. Unfortunately, I think the ultimate ending for your relationship is going to be how I predict.
If I were to also predict if anyone's advice or comments on here is going to have any meaningful impact and influence on your decisions, then I would predict nope. No one here is going to be able to help you change course on any roads or paths that you decide to take.
Also, I could totally be wrong in thinking that you're seeking advice from the ISG community at all. Maybe you're relaying this love story to help another ISG member learn and avoid your same mistakes? Or maybe it's psychologically therapeutic for you to post your love story on this public forum to help clear your mind and makes you feel better? I have no idea why.
In any case, you should be happy with your choices, and if things work out how you wanted, then good for you.
Good luck!
I am simple. If you not actually living in Thailand don't Do relationships.I'm even simpler, I no longer get involved in relationships. Getting a GF in Thailand, Pattaya especially, defeats the purpose of coming here.
My opinion is that anyone who posts or is on the ISG forum should probably not be seeking long-term relationships at the moment. I agree!
healthy relationshipsThat's an oxymoron to me. LOL.
Maybe you're relaying this love story to help another ISG member learn and avoid your same mistakes? Yes, he's stated that several times.
I'm even simpler, I no longer get involved in relationships. Getting a GF in Thailand, Pattaya especially, defeats the purpose of coming here.I had a long term (3 years) relationship with a Thai girl. She was working in the bank. Very pretty young (21) pleasant girl to be with. At that time I was doing business in China and would travel back and forth every couple of months. I would go to BKK back and forth from China. I met het on the street near Nana. I assumed she is a SW although she was dressed not in a provocative way. We both smiled at each other and stopped to chat. Asked where she is going she replied she is on her lunch break. Next question is where she works. Then I realized she is not a SW. So we both had lunch together. She could speak English. First day we went for dinner only. After that one thing led to another and she stayed with me.
Later during our relationship we went to Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Golden Triangle and also many destinations in Thailand.
I would not look for a long time relationship with a Thai bargirl.
Franciscass
11-12-20, 13:09
We are getting close to end.This is huge folks. Close to the end!. Nail biting suspense. Hard to find comparisons for expected viewership, maybe final episode of Friends or Seinfeld. Even will Trump concede or not doesn't come close. Gone viral on all social media platforms and how it ends is the biggest betting market on Belfair.
This is huge folks. Close to the end!. Nail biting suspense. Hard to find comparisons for expected viewership, maybe final episode of Friends or Seinfeld. Even will Trump concede or not doesn't come close. Gone viral on all social media platforms and how it ends is the biggest betting market on Belfair.Prepare for a mind-blowing deus ex machina that nobody saw coming.
Member #4733
11-12-20, 22:51
I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.I guess I am beyond that. At first I liked your story and it does have some good parts. But you obsessively are evaluating her truthfulness to you. To me that doesn't seem triggered by her actions. Much more by your own personality. A Brazilian writer once said "The advantage of dishonest people is that they assume others to be dishonest as well and use that to their own benefit. The disadvantage of honest people is that they assume other people to be honest like themselves and often are deceived in this". You ask her to be truthful while going to other prostitutes. I guess that says it all and the end cannot be more telling than that. Your story doesn't tell so much about a relationship between a Thai woman and a Western man. It is not about informing others. It is about exposing yourself.
Boo.
Experienced a new one yesterday. I had just had an infected tooth pulled and was chilling on the boardwalk on Pattaya beach with a mouth that felt like the size of a grapefruit. This SW walked up to me with 2 bags of takeaway food and wanted to share her food with me. When I explained my situation she got so dejected I thought she was going to cry. But even if I could have eaten something I really would have no interest in sharing her food, which seemed like a new way to solicit business. She sat there a few minutes just looking around and begrudgingly walked off in search for a customer. I could have misread the whole incident but I don't think so.
BTW The tooth pull cost me 1100 baht which included antibiotics and pain killers. Pretty cheap price.
Mr Enternational
11-13-20, 02:50
Experienced a new one yesterday. I had just had an infected tooth pulled and was chilling on the boardwalk on Pattaya beach with a mouth that felt like the size of a grapefruit. This SW walked up to me with 2 bags of takeaway food and wanted to share her food with me. When I explained my situation she got so dejected I thought she was going to cry. But even if I could have eaten something I really would have no interest in sharing her food, which seemed like a new way to solicit business.I do not think it is about soliciting business. Chicks always try to share like that. That is the same thing that leads them to Pattaya. It is a collectivist culture.
I do not think it is about soliciting business. Chicks always try to share like that. That is the same thing that leads them to Pattaya. It is a collectivist culture.That may be true in general but she didn't just sit there and then eat her food, she obviously went off looking for a customer. After I declined she was desperately searching around.
Banana Boi
11-13-20, 05:28
I had a long term (3 years) relationship with a Thai girl. She was working in the bank. <snip> I would not look for a long time relationship with a Thai bargirl.I agree with this. Dating a regular Thai girl is fine albeit difficult to obtain and keep as a tourist. I certainly don't recommend dating a bar girl in Thailand. It would compare with dating a messed up stripper in your home town. Great to hang out with but you certainly don't want to date one long term. Also, as someone said it completely defeats the purpose of Thailand.
Prepare for a mind-blowing deus ex machina that nobody saw coming.Ex Machina. Enjoyed that movie.
Damn you guys are really crapping on FL Hawk's story but you seem to be reading his story and commenting on it. Let's face it there is not much else to read about Pattaya during this pandemic. If it really bothers you that much just scroll past it. I am rooting for the alleged "89 year old guy" but this can't end well. I think FL will find out she is back at the bar and walk away from this potential mess.
Fly High Hawk! I'm enjoying your story.
Franciscass
11-13-20, 11:35
Prepare for a mind-blowing deus ex machina that nobody saw coming.That's second favorite on Betfair at 4's.
Member #4667
11-13-20, 16:11
Damn you guys are really crapping on FL Hawk's story but you seem to be reading his story and commenting on it. Let's face it there is not much else to read about Pattaya during this pandemic. If it really bothers you that much just scroll past it. I am rooting for the alleged "89 year old guy" but this can't end well. I think FL will find out she is back at the bar and walk away from this potential mess.
Fly High Hawk! I'm enjoying your story.True not much to read but I have been skipping it as its just a badly written copy of "Private dancer" what's hilarious is that his failures are meant to educate the rest of us. It like listening to a drug addict about the dangers of drug usage, might be relevant to 10 yr old, but not much so to anyone over the age of 25 yrs.
Mr Enternational
11-13-20, 18:00
I certainly don't recommend dating a bar girl in Thailand. It would compare with dating a messed up stripper in your home town. Great to hang out with but you certainly don't want to date one long term.Well no shit. There are literally millions of chicks to choose from, but guys go to these countries and decide to want to date the hookers.
And in FL's case I really do not get it. He definitely knows better. He showed me a picture of the beautiful girlfriend he had in Bangkok that was not a hooker. I said man you are lucky. He should have been sticking to that lady like glue. Now he wants to trade her in for a bar girl with problems that does not treat him how he would like to be treated. Go figure.
Kenny Rogers said you gotta know when to hold them and know when to run. It looks like he is running when he should be holding and trying to hold when he should be running.
Member #4667
11-13-20, 18:38
Well no shit. There are literally millions of chicks to choose from, but guys go to these countries and decide to want to date the hookers.
And in FL's case I really do not get it. He definitely knows better. He showed me a picture of the beautiful girlfriend he had in Bangkok that was not a hooker. I said man you are lucky. He should have been sticking to that lady like glue. Now he wants to trade her in for a bar girl with problems that does not treat him how he would like to be treated. Go figure.
Kenny Rogers said you gotta know when to hold them and know when to run. It looks like he is running when he should be holding and trying to hold when he should be running.Go figure? Often the simplest solution is the most accurate, to a conundrum. I propose that the beautiful "girlfriend" was not actual GF but a girl FL wanted as a GF. Truth is what normal (non bargirl) beautiful lady wants to be seen with a man in his 80's who cannot provide constant economic, emotional and physical support. Like Dr House, says "everybody lies" and most often people lie to themselves for example saying they prefer fuglies or women in their late 30's, but in truth they know they cannot access the 20 yrs old with any measure of success ie reasonable attitude and reasonable price, so to cushion their egos, they tell themselves they not interested in 20 yrs old with model bodies.
We don't know how well or how badly this non-pro "GF" of his treats him, we can only know how "secret" treated him, but I'd bet it would have been much worse. Sure FL is a silly old fool, but I can't see him being so stupid as to run from a beautiful non pro GF into the arms of a 30+yr old damaged bargirl.
Dr Brian Jones
11-13-20, 20:29
Experienced a new one yesterday. I had just had an infected tooth pulled and was chilling on the boardwalk on Pattaya beach with a mouth that felt like the size of a grapefruit. This SW walked up to me with 2 bags of takeaway food and wanted to share her food with me. When I explained my situation she got so dejected I thought she was going to cry. But even if I could have eaten something I really would have no interest in sharing her food, which seemed like a new way to solicit business. She sat there a few minutes just looking around and begrudgingly walked off in search for a customer. I could have misread the whole incident but I don't think so.
BTW The tooth pull cost me 1100 baht which included antibiotics and pain killers. Pretty cheap price.Accepting food in a plastic bag from a random Beach Road SW, is probably twice as much dangerous than accepting a drink from a stranger in a nightclub.
But maybe this would have made your pain go away, while sleeping like a baby on the new beach.
HorseTrader
11-13-20, 21:07
Damn you guys are really crapping on FL Hawk's story but you seem to be reading his story and commenting on it. Let's face it there is not much else to read about Pattaya during this pandemic. If it really bothers you that much just scroll past it. I am rooting for the alleged "89 year old guy" but this can't end well. I think FL will find out she is back at the bar and walk away from this potential mess.
Fly High Hawk! I'm enjoying your story.I'm also looking forward to the final submission(s). FLHawk has handled this much differently than I would have, but that makes it interesting. I would have blown Secret off long before the story reached this point. I've never dated a Thai bar girl, seldom even do overnights with them. There are plenty of "good" Thai girls to date.
The story does feel a bit like "Private Dancer". If there is anybody on this forum who hasn't read "Private Dancer", I recommend it. Author is Stephen Leather and you can search around for a free *.pdf download. It's very light reading.
Dr Brian Jones
11-13-20, 21:20
It is about exposing yourself.
Boo.And about showing how we can use the power of a bit of money over an uneducated poor farm girl from a third world country, combined with the strong need to have peer recognition from few experienced board members.
If I recall correctly from one year or two ago, he really fell in love with her mainly because he could come inside her with no condom, having some kind of sexual problems when using condoms.
I really enjoyed reading his field reports at the time. That was well written and informative.
Now it is just a tale of creepy psychological manipulation.
The girl you called everyday "My love" for several months would be deeply hurt knowing that the private life and problems of all her family members is exposed in such details on a public board like this.
And yes, some guys know her here.
It would be interesting if he were critiquing his actions and not hers. What he did wrong and not a about whether she was going to eventually scam him. He's an old guy with money and she's a young woman with youth and maybe beauty, God forbid if she wants some of his money. I really enjoyed his posts back in the day too. Now he just seems like a guy using someone and a bit of a scum bag.
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Now it is just a tale of creepy psychological manipulation.
The girl you called everyday "My love" for several months would be deeply hurt knowing that the private life and problems of all her family members is exposed in such details on a public board like this.
And yes, some guys know her here.
Mr Enternational
11-14-20, 02:32
Go figure? Often the simplest solution is the most accurate, to a conundrum. I propose that the beautiful "girlfriend" was not actual GF but a girl FL wanted as a GF. Truth is what normal (non bargirl) beautiful lady wants to be seen with a man in his 80's
We don't know how well or how badly this non-pro "GF" of his treats him, we can only know how "secret" treated him, but I'd bet it would have been much worse. Sure FL is a silly old fool, but I can't see him being so stupid as to run from a beautiful non pro GF into the arms of a 30+yr old damaged bargirl.LOL. He is not in his 80's. That is just a running joke. It was his actual normal girlfriend. He would travel with her and everything. He even made several reports about her here. When he showed me the picture I was like fuck Pattaya. I would be in Bangkok with that chick right now.
Easy for me to say though. I would have just fucked it up as usual. When I first started going to Pattaya (2006) I had a normal girlfriend that was a school teacher. She also worked at that Adidas store on Walking Street. A couple of years later she was going to come to the USA as a nanny and wanted me to help her with the essay. Well she made it. But when she got here she never had time for me. Eventually she married a guy and they have 2 kids now. Well she obviously had time for somebody. She would never tell me what went wrong.
Yesterday I was going through all the electronic pictures on my external hard drive and put the few that I took of her on my phone and sent them to her today in Line. She said wow I can not believe you still have those. I told her of course I do because I really cared about her. She finally told me what went wrong. She said she was sorry that she did not see she meant a lot to me. She thought I had a lot of girls. Well both things were actually true.
LittleBigMan
11-14-20, 10:07
It would be interesting if he were critiquing his actions and not hers. What he did wrong and not a about whether she was going to eventually scam him. He's an old guy with money and she's a young woman with youth and maybe beauty, God forbid if she wants some of his money. I really enjoyed his posts back in the day too. Now he just seems like a guy using someone and a bit of a scum bag.I believe he already has had his answer the writing is to find out if others might be thinking hopefully to find out if anyone else might have done the same thing?
Accepting food in a plastic bag from a random Beach Road SW, is probably twice as much dangerous than accepting a drink from a stranger in a nightclub............You are a doctor so that must be true.
Dr Brian Jones
11-14-20, 20:06
You are a doctor so that must be true.Without precise dosage information, I cannot tell you how deep will be his sleep.
But living in Pattaya, I certainly can empirically tell you how light will be his pockets.
You are a doctor so that must be true.Dr. Brian Jones=Dr. BJ. Maybe he is not a doctor.
Dr. Brian Jones=Dr. BJ. Maybe he is not a doctor.Or maybe he is the best kind of doctor.
Dr Brian Jones
11-18-20, 20:28
Or maybe he is the best kind of doctor.Anyhow, we are all in this business for the nurses.
Well no shit. There are literally millions of chicks to choose from, but guys go to these countries and decide to want to date the hookers.
And in FL's case I really do not get it. He definitely knows better. He showed me a picture of the beautiful girlfriend he had in Bangkok that was not a hooker. I said man you are lucky. He should have been sticking to that lady like glue. Now he wants to trade her in for a bar girl with problems that does not treat him how he would like to be treated. Go figure.
Kenny Rogers said you gotta know when to hold them and know when to run. It looks like he is running when he should be holding and trying to hold when he should be running.I've had plenty of experience with both regular women and so-called hookers. And I would say that hookers have treated me a lot better, and I've had much better experiences with them than with regular women.
And I'm not talking about just having sex. I'm talking about dating and having long-term relationships.
I suppose, to each his own. You might've had better experiences with regular women. So, this works for you, and that's what you should go for.
My advice is not to pre-judge people before you know them. And you don't really know what's right for you, until you try and explore a variety of situations and people. Because what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. You need to find out what works for you personally, rather than for someone else.
Mr Enternational
11-20-20, 03:32
I've had plenty of experience with both regular women and so-called hookers. And I would say that hookers have treated me a lot better, and I've had much better experiences with them than with regular women.
And I'm not talking about just having sex. I'm talking about dating and having long-term relationships.
I suppose, to each his own. You might've had better experiences with regular women. So, this works for you, and that's what you should go for.
My advice is not to pre-judge people before you know them. And you don't really know what's right for you, until you try and explore a variety of situations and people. Because what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. You need to find out what works for you personally, rather than for someone else.There is no pre judging. I have met FL a few times. But I am going strictly by the reports he has posted here, not anything else. He always wrote highly of the chick that was not a hooker, but complains about the one that is a hooker. It was never the hooker does everything just right. From the beginning it has been why doesn't she do this, why doesn't she do that. My question is why are you into her like that if she never seems to do things that you like.
My advice is not to pre-judge people before you know them. And you don't really know what's right for you, until you try and explore a variety of situations and people. Because what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. You need to find out what works for you personally, rather than for someone else.I think you have it, Dan. Exactly.
LittleBigMan
11-21-20, 02:23
Monkey Paw I think is bored and still in Pattaya? Need people to entertain him PM Him.
Banana Boi
11-21-20, 05:35
MP is still in Pattaya. Not sure how many guys are still there but those who are should meet up with MP. Send him a PM. Knowing MP he'll likely even buy you a round or two.
.... He always wrote highly of the chick that was not a hooker, but complains about the one that is a hooker. It was never the hooker does everything just right. From the beginning it has been why doesn't she do this, why doesn't she do that. My question is why are you into her like that if she never seems to do things that you like.I've read little bit of these stories, and my impression is that the so-called hooker is just having difficulties and problems in her life that she might need some help with. This isn't the same as the lady doing something that you don't like with you.
You don't abandon a friend in need. And that's what this is about.
Some people see sex for money as a strictly commercial transaction and nothing more than this. But I think this is an extreme view, and perhaps it's true for some people and in some situations. But I see guys giving money and resources to women they like in virtually all relationships. Which includes dating, romance, and marriage. And this is especially true in Thailand. In Thailand, you supposed to pay a dowry to the lady, when you marry her. And she gets to keep this dowry, even if your marriage doesn't work out and you get divorced.
So, this so-called hooker relationship is actually a romantic relationship where both have feelings and attachments to each other.
I think it's hard for outsiders to understand the feelings of a romantic couple, because they see only a part of the picture. They see only the public part and not the private one. It's the couple's sex and their physical affection that motivates them to be with each other. But this is something outsiders don't see and perhaps don't even think about much.
That's why the public part of this romantic relationship doesn't make sense for outsiders. Outsiders literally don't see what holds this couple together, because this part is private and hidden from them.
If these stories included graphic descriptions of sex and affection too, then they would've been more complete, and they would've made more sense for outsiders.
. And this is especially true in Thailand. In Thailand, you supposed to pay a dowry to the lady, when you marry her. And she gets to keep this dowry, even if your marriage doesn't work out and you get divorced.This is not true. Sinsod is paid to the parents who will usually use the money for the benefit of the couple, either by giving it straight back to the man or putting down a deposit on a house or something. And the value of the sinsod depends on a woman's age, attractiveness, education and purity. So the parents of an attractive 23 year old virgin with an international master's degree may expect a million baht or more but an ex Soi 6 girl in her 30's with kids is literally worthless and no Thai man would pay any sinsod for her. A lot of clueless farangs don't realise this and get ripped off by greedy parents.
Mr Enternational
11-21-20, 11:54
I've read little bit of these stories, and my impression is that the so-called hooker is just having difficulties and problems in her life that she might need some help with. This isn't the same as the lady doing something that you don't like with you.
You don't abandon a friend in need. And that's what this is about.
So, this so-called hooker relationship is actually a romantic relationship where both have feelings and attachments to each other.LOL. You don't abandon a friend? Why is it the friend that does not need to be abandoned always the female? What really could the female do to help the male at a time that he should not be abandoned? And didn't she have an Australian boyfriend when he met her? You should have been around to tell her not to abandon him!
And that is what happens when you read only some of the story. You would have to go back and catch it from the beginning to understand you have the wrong idea.
Or maybe I have the wrong idea. From my comprehension of the story, for the whole relationship he has had to beg for this, that, or the other or plead with her friend to talk some sense into her or whatever. This has not been a smooth he likes her and she likes him thing. It has been an I have to force my way into her heart and make this chick feel something for me thing. But that is only my interpretation after catching the whole show.
Monkey Paw I think is bored and still in Pattaya? Need people to entertain him PM Him.I'm guessing that he is posting under the names of a couple of alter egos I think he uses. If you really, really miss him and Mutant Chicken check out the Vietnam forum and take your guess. LOL.
SS.
I've had plenty of experience with both regular women and so-called hookers. And I would say that hookers have treated me a lot better, and I've had much better experiences with them than with regular women.
And I'm not talking about just having sex. I'm talking about dating and having long-term relationships.
..................I find it rather surprising that you dated and had long term relationships with so called hookers that turned out better than with regular women. My preference for hookers is that when I'm with them we do much more fucking than talking while with regular women we spend too much time in which 'they want to talk when I want to touch'. I always figured that if a hooker becomes my girlfriend the activities will be reversed to my detriment.
Member #4698
11-21-20, 15:40
I find it rather surprising that you dated and had long term relationships with so called hookers that turned out better than with regular women. My preference for hookers is that when I'm with them we do much more fucking than talking while with regular women we spend too much time in which 'they want to talk when I want to touch'. I always figured that if a hooker becomes my girlfriend the activities will be reversed to my detriment.Yep, I have had many memorable long-time relationships with bar girls. Everything was great and the sex was amazing as long as the relationship stayed grounded on a firm commercial basis. Sadly, or humorlessly, depending on how you look at it, the death knell always sounded whenever one of my long timer's suddenly began thinking of our relationship in a different way. I. e. When she would start thinking of herself as the "girlfriend" or in two separate occasions my girl (s) actually proposed we get married!
This problem arises when a girl starts to think the GFE is more than a transactional fun game to be enjoyed by both parties yes, but not taken seriously except for the exchange of Pay4 Play or when she thinks the guy can be had. But, this fundamental change in a girl's own self-identity always signals the beginning of the end of our long time relationship because suddenly a wonderful, let's have a real good time girl transforms herself into a spoiled self-entitled girl with an attitude problem which means there will be less uninhibited sex, complaints about sex, and even excuses not to perform from time to time and yet still be compensated for doing nothing. Ha ha. So, once these relationships go south, they must always end. There is no way around it.
And for the record, there is nothing you can say to warn the guys who think their GFE is real and their girl is "different" or if they just give in to the girl everything will be peaches & cream again. They will just have to learn about their folly from their own experience. The story is as old as humanity.
HorseTrader
11-21-20, 18:52
My preference for hookers is that when I'm with them we do much more fucking than talking while with regular women we spend too much time in which 'they want to talk when I want to touch'. I always figured that if a hooker becomes my girlfriend the activities will be reversed to my detriment.This reminds me of a story. For the first year of marriage, a man puts a pea into a jar each time he has sex with his wife. After the first year, he removes a pea from the jar each time he has sex with his wife. No man has ever emptied his jar.
LittleBigMan
11-22-20, 02:38
I'm guessing that he is posting under the names of a couple of alter egos I think he uses. If you really, really miss him and Mutant Chicken check out the Vietnam forum and take your guess. LOL.
SS.Does my writing suggest that I miss him? Does my writing suggest he was writing under a couple of other alter egos? I really don't bother with other forums so there is really no guessing on my part! I'm just passing the word if he bothers you with his writing and posting that is your hang up and ego at play I don't know him but do understand why he doesn't post here any longer!
Franciscass
11-22-20, 08:13
I'm guessing that he is posting under the names of a couple of alter egos I think he uses. If you really, really miss him and Mutant Chicken check out the Vietnam forum and take your guess. LOL.
SS.With you on that. Have always felt 'I know him well, terrific guy, love hanging with him, ladies love him, where is he now, I miss him blah blah" posts about other members are indeed very possibly from the same source.
LOL. You don't abandon a friend? Why is it the friend that does not need to be abandoned always the female? What really could the female do to help the male at a time that he should not be abandoned? And didn't she have an Australian boyfriend when he met her? You should have been around to tell her not to abandon him! ....The answer to your question is biological, rather than logical or philosophical. Biological evolution has made men and women co-dependent with each other for mutual support. It's a kind of bonding that works through sex and hormones.
People's friendships can go sour, and they can break up. But if you wait until your friend is in need and then break up, then this is a betrayal of your friendship. Which makes you untrustworthy for everybody as a friend. This kind of thing can spoil your reputation, if you live in a small community and everybody knows you and your friend.
I suppose, you can leave your previous circle of friends and get to know other people, when you spoil your reputation. So, you can repeatedly betray your friends, when you live in a bigger city and many people don't know you. But you will pay an emotional price for doing that. Because you won't be able to deceive yourself into believing that your friendships are genuine. You will know that your friends aren't really your friends, even when they believe that they are your friends.
I find it rather surprising that you dated and had long term relationships with so called hookers that turned out better than with regular women. My preference for hookers is that when I'm with them we do much more fucking than talking while with regular women we spend too much time in which 'they want to talk when I want to touch'. I always figured that if a hooker becomes my girlfriend the activities will be reversed to my detriment.I don't believe in wasting my time with a lady, if she isn't interested in having a relationship with me. And with regular women you can literally waste weeks and months being unsure whether the lady is interested in you or not. If you do this repeatedly with one woman after another, then you can literally waste your life in futile attempts to make friends and not getting anywhere. And if you do form a friendship, then there is always a chance that you are incompatible with each other, when you get to know each other better. So, you need to start this whole process all over again.
This whole thing turns me off so much that I don't even want to do it.
Perhaps this western courtship process is something the masses have copied from the rich aristocracy for social status purposes. That's why it's not working well for ordinary people like me. The rich can waste their time and resources, because they have plenty of both. But this doesn't work well for those who don't have much of either.
In Thai culture, men and women easily get together through exchange of money. They solve this problem in a different way, and it's a way that works a lot better for ordinary people who don't have a lot of resources. It's a poor man's and a poor woman's way of doing it. And those who believe in dong it the aristocratic way look down on it. But this is just snobbery that has always existed between the rich and the poor, which also includes those who aspire to be rich and try to be like them.
I don't believe in wasting my time with a lady, if she isn't interested in having a relationship with me. And with regular women you can literally waste weeks and months being unsure whether the lady is interested in you or not. If you do this repeatedly with one woman after another, then you can literally waste your life in futile attempts to make friends and not getting anywhere. And if you do form a friendship, then there is always a chance that you are incompatible with each other, when you get to know each other better. So, you need to start this whole process all over again.
This whole thing turns me off so much that I don't even want to do it.
.........I had not been doing the dating non-pros in the US thing for many many years. However, when I got home from my shortened (from 3 months to 2 months) Germany trip in March and with no future travel in sight I decided to give the non-pro scene a go. I got in touch with this 30 something good looking babe who I had not completely lost contact with. She had been showing me interest for years but I made no move not wanting to interfere with my mongering trips. We went out for lunch a couple times. Then she came over to my place, we watched a movie but she brushed off my advances. A second visit ended with the same result, no action for rufus. I then said fuck that, I'm too old for that shit. I blocked her from whatsapp and went back to my hookers.
.... I got in touch with this 30 something good looking babe who I had not completely lost contact with. She had been showing me interest for years but I made no move not wanting to interfere with my mongering trips. We went out for lunch a couple times. Then she came over to my place, we watched a movie but she brushed off my advances. A second visit ended with the same result, no action for rufus. I then said fuck that, I'm too old for that shit. I blocked her from whatsapp and went back to my hookers.I think the problem in this kind of a situation is a lack of trust.
The lady thinks that you are trying to take advantage of her by having sex first and then talking and getting to know each other better later. And the guy feels that the lady is being unreasonable by wanting love and commitment from him, before she has any sex with him. The guy wants sex first and talking later. And the lady wants it the other way around. And they can't agree, because they don't trust each other to deliver on what the other wants. No trust means no trade and exchange. People avoid dealing with each other, when they don't trust each other.
And in this situation both the guy and the lady are right.
Because people are quite often incompatible with each other, and they only find this out when they get to know each other better. When the guy has sex for the first time with the lady, then he might find that she isn't that good at it, and maybe she doesn't want to do a lot of the stuff that he wants to do. So, he might leave her after the first or second time. And her fears a realized. She thinks that he took advantage of her.
And people are also often incompatible with each other in terms of their personalities, likes, dislikes and their goals in life. So, the lady might talk with him a lot, and he might fall for her with his feelings. But then she decides that he is incompatible with her, and she leaves him without ever having sex with him. So, his fears are realized too. She got commitment from him, but she never had sex with she him, and left him.
I think this happens, because ladies are looking only for long-term relationships. They aren't interested in short-term relationships. When you are looking for a life-changing relationship, then it makes sense to look long and hard and be very reluctant to make a choice. It's a very difficult and risky decision to make.
But in Thailand, many women are willing to have short-term relationships in exchange for money. And they don't necessarily see it in the same light as people in the West do. Because in Thailand, the guy is supposed to pay a large dowry to the lady in marriage. Which involves a long-term relationship and usually having children. So, a short-term relationship that doesn't involve commitment or having children is of the same kind. It's a just a smaller amount of the same kind of a relationship. And that's why a guy paying a much smaller 'dowry' preserves the woman's honor and makes it fair from her point of view.
What westerners see as hooking in Thailand is a kind of short-term common-law marriage from the lady's point of view. That's why many women there do it, and it's not considered necessarily bad. Both the guys and the ladies see it as fair and square. And Thailand used to have polygamy. So, they don't necessarily see 'cheating' in the same light as westerners do. When a married man comes to another lady, then she necessarily feel guilty about it, the way western women might feel.
GuyBrusg1957
11-25-20, 04:00
Quick question,
Is Sapphire Pattaya as good as it gets for Pattaya? Or is just the one that's advertised the most online? Do the girls the website actually look as good as they seem in real life?
As someone who spent time in Bangkok, is there anything like The Pimp or La Belle? A high (er) end Soap Massage.
LittleBigMan
11-25-20, 04:29
Quick question,
Is Sapphire Pattaya as good as it gets for Pattaya? Or is just the one that's advertised the most online? Do the girls the website actually look as good as they seem in real life?
As someone who spent time in Bangkok, is there anything like The Pimp or La Belle? A high (er) end Soap Massage.Some like it some don't it is okay But for me, I got to see some skin and they don't provide any or enough. Drink night is good on Sunday it is close right now pre-covid I put it at maybe top 5 for looks only. Number one before see-19 was pin-up, palace I would say now still rank in that order.
Banana Boi
11-26-20, 05:58
Is Sapphire Pattaya as good as it gets for Pattaya? Or is just the one that's advertised the most online? Do the girls the website actually look as good as they seem in real life?If the girls in their photos are the style you like then yes Sapphire is the best in Pattaya for those types of girls. In general, heavily tattooed, tallish, skinny, a bit older. Yes all those girls are at the club. I think the girls look better than in photos for almost all the Pattaya gogo bars. Several of the Thai Bikini Mafia don't work often. Low turnover for girls. Sapphire is a fairly rowdy Farang club. You will not find Japanese and Korean guys there who prefer petite, young, cute girls in a more laid back atmosphere.
I spent most of my first trip at Sapphire since that was where guys like Breadman and Finnish Fucker told me to go. Met a few girls and was kind of stuck. I was naive back then so fell in to the tourist trap. Took me nearly 2 weeks just to get to Sensations and kicked myself since Sensations used to have 150 girls back in its hey day.
Sapphire took over Lady Love in LK Metro. Not sure if they bought it. But some of the girls and Managers, (4, all busy on their phones,) are there. 180 baht for a beer, iirc. They must think they're still on WS! They totally remodeled lady love, (not finished when I went): the tub is gone as are the nude older ladies. A friend and I went and were ignored by the dancers. There were more staff than customers. And yes, lots of ink. Lady Love is about half the size of Sapphire. I barely finished my drink and don't think I'll return.
Dr Brian Jones
11-26-20, 21:36
Quick question, Is there anything like The Pimp .Quick answer: Absolutely not.
If the girls in their photos are the style you like then yes Sapphire is the best in Pattaya for those types of girls. In general, heavily tattooed, tallish, skinny, a bit older. Yes all those girls are at the club. I think the girls look better than in photos for almost all the Pattaya gogo bars. Several of the Thai Bikini Mafia don't work often. Low turnover for girls. Sapphire is a fairly rowdy Farang club. You will not find Japanese and Korean guys there who prefer petite, young, cute girls in a more laid back atmosphere.
I spent most of my first trip at Sapphire since that was where guys like Breadman and Finnish Fucker told me to go. Met a few girls and was kind of stuck. I was naive back then so fell in to the tourist trap. Took me nearly 2 weeks just to get to Sensations and kicked myself since Sensations used to have 150 girls back in its hey day.With Walking Street lined with GoGo after GoGo and Disco after Disco I never understood how guys get caught in visiting the same establishment night after night. I mean after all its no cover charge to walk into these spots. But being afraid to venture out explains why most guys on here over pay for girls.
Banana Boi
11-27-20, 06:29
With Walking Street lined with GoGo after GoGo and Disco after Disco I never understood how guys get caught in visiting the same establishment night after night. I mean after all its no cover charge to walk into these spots. But being afraid to venture out explains why most guys on here over pay for girls.No one bar hops more than I do. Ask anyone who's been out with me. I can easily hit 10 gogo bars in a night. However, as a newbie tourist I did what so many have done after me. Hit the most commonly discussed gogo bars which at the time were Sapphire, Windmill, What's Up, and Ninja in LK Metro. Back then Palace used to have 20 girls max.
Same for me in FKK clubs in Germany. My record is 6 clubs in a day. 90% of the guys won't go to more than 2 clubs and 95% will sit in the same club for the entire day. At up tp 80 euro per each club entry fee it is understandable but for me if some place isn't good I'm not sticking around to find out if it gets better. I only had 6 weeks vacation per year back then time was more valuable than paying extra club entry fees.
Member #4698
11-27-20, 13:47
With Walking Street lined with GoGo after GoGo and Disco after Disco I never understood how guys get caught in visiting the same establishment night after night. I mean after all its no cover charge to walk into these spots. But being afraid to venture out explains why most guys on here over pay for girls.I think I have been to most of the Go Go's in BKK and a good number in Pattaya (I won't say most) and what I come away with is not all Go Go's are equal. I like to mix it up as much as the next guy, and I will go anywhere to find what I am looking for, but I always end up where the quality is and that means no matter how many places I check out I end up spending most of my time and money in maybe 7 or 8 Go Go's in BKK and 5 or 6 in Pat.
Still, I am always looking to find new Go Go's to my liking, and I like to check out any new possibilities. That is how I rediscovered Patpong a few years back after an absence of over 10 years. And BB, turned me on to a great little Go Go in Pattaya on my last visit. I literally cannot wait to go back to that treasure trove. But on the whole, I know which Go Go's do not have what I like so I tend to skip those and only check them out maybe once every few years for a quick reconnoiter like I did late one night in Dollhouse Cowboy.
I had not been to Dollhouse in 4 or 5 years due to lack of quality, but I stopped in late one night because I was wondering by and had nothing better to do. Once inside, Walla: there was this dirty / sexy little blond dirty provocatively dancing on the ground floor stage that caught my eye. I stayed for a drink, invited her over, and the rest was history. The moral of the story is you never know, but my dirty little blond was the only doable girl in the bar, so my expectations about that bar did not change much even after my enjoyable late night tryst.
Sapphire is the best in Pattaya for those types of girls. In general, heavily tattooed, tallish, skinny, a bit older. You will not find Japanese and Korean guys there who prefer petite, young, cute girls in a more laid back atmosphere.My experience (all pre-COVID) is that you'll find more "Sapphire type" girls in Pattaya and more "petite, young, cute" girls in Bangkok.
For me, this gives rise to a conflict between the two destinations. I love the Pattaya holiday vibe. I really do. I find it easy to relax there when I'm not on the prowl. But once I arrive in any of the Naughty Boy areas I'm dismayed by the prevalent "Pattaya Look." I realize lots of you gents prefer that over-the-top style. But all that ink, all that silicone, all that makeup just doesn't do it for me. (I might also add all that extra weight, at least in the past decade or so.).
In Bangkok my first order of business is always a go go crawl at Nana -- where there is an abundance of fresh, young, cute spinners on offer. Moreover, the "load factor" is much reduced and the amount of ink is an order of magnitude less.
I find myself wondering why I even bother with Pattaya. As the years have passed, I find myself spending more days in Bangkok and fewer in Pattaya. Anything to escape the collateral damage from the carbohydrate bomb that seems to have exploded near the beach, causing a billion gallons of tattoo ink to rain down upon the girls.
Banana Boi
11-28-20, 05:44
I had not been to Dollhouse in 4 or 5 years due to lack of quality, but I stopped in late one night because I was wondering by and had nothing better to do. Once inside, Walla: there was this dirty / sexy little blond dirty provocatively dancing on the ground floor stage that caught my eye. I stayed for a drink, invited her over, and the rest was history. The moral of the story is you never know, but my dirty little blond was the only doable girl in the bar, so my expectations about that bar did not change much even after my enjoyable late night tryst.Why I made an effort to hit every gogo bar in LK Metro and on Walking Street at least once per month. Lineups change all the time in these bars and you never know who you may find. One of the best gems I found was a half German, half Thai girl in Misty's. Model face, curvy body, perfect English. Bet most guys here haven't even been to Misty's even though it's right beside Sapphire.
My experience (all pre-COVID) is that you'll find more "Sapphire type" girls in Pattaya and more "petite, young, cute" girls in Bangkok.
More petite and younger than Pattaya gogo bars like Nui 2, Ginza, Lisa Sexy Coyote? I'm not familiar with your Pattaya gogo bar history but which bars do you usually attend in Pattaya? If it's tourist bars like Skyfall, Iron, What's Up, Taboo, Crazy House, etc then yes I would agree with you. Would be helpful for me to know which are the best Bangkok bars to find young and cute as well cause I tend to stick with Rainbow, Baccara, King's Castle 2, Bada Bing, and Black Pagoda as my go to clubs outside of Thermae.
Member #4698
11-28-20, 13:44
Why I made an effort to hit every gogo bar in LK Metro and on Walking Street at least once per month. Lineups change all the time in these bars and you never know who you may find. One of the best gems I found was a half German, half Thai girl in Misty's. Model face, curvy body, perfect English. Bet most guys here haven't even been to Misty's even though it's right beside Sapphire.
I have been to Misty's. On the night I dropped by they had one or two girls that looked like they had potential. I had other plans that night, so I did not stay to find out.
Line ups do indeed change. For example, What the hell happened to What's Up? Their lineup was dreadful the last time I went there. And don't get me started on Crazy House BKK. That is another bar that fell from grace. It used to be my favorite Go Go in Bangkok. It is sad to think about what it became, but that's the usual story. I know of very few examples of bars the have risen and gotten better, but it can happen. Maybe CH will miraculously shine again post pandemic. Who knows.
I don't think I can do that. Its just not me. I don't even do it to hookers who come to my place.Interesting. It's exactly what I do do with hookers the minute I close the short time room door. If they are responsive it normally means we're going to hit it off pretty well. If they are hesitant, pull away, or go into shower shower mode, then they're normally not for me.
Franciscass
11-29-20, 06:51
Even the most experienced working girl will admit to a degree of concern when she rings the bell so I don't see how grabbing her ass and sticking a tongue in her mouth as soon as the door opens somehow puts her at ease or as suggested accurately predicts the level of service that follows. I guess it all depends on whether it's done Neanderthal style or with an element of restraint. Either way I don't get it but then again I haven't tried preferring a more relaxed greeting with a smile followed by a drink which usually works just fine.
Banana Boi
11-29-20, 07:22
Line ups do indeed change. For example, What the hell happened to What's Up? Their lineup was dreadful the last time I went there. .What's Up's line up went down drastically starting around 2017. Remember how good it was in 2015 and early 2016? Just stunners everywhere but IIRC the highest price tag in Pattaya at the time for drinks, barfine, and girls. I had a regular at What's Up and made 100+ visits in 2018. I can count on 1 hand the number of pretty girls I saw in the club.
Even the most experienced working girl will admit to a degree of concern when she rings the bell so I don't see how grabbing her ass and sticking a tongue in her mouth as soon as the door opens somehow puts her at ease or as suggested accurately predicts the level of service that follows. I guess it all depends on whether it's done Neanderthal style or with an element of restraint. Either way I don't get it but then again I haven't tried preferring a more relaxed greeting with a smile followed by a drink which usually works just fine.That's the way I do it except for the drink as here their eye is oftentimes on the clock. I invite them to take a shower which could be with me depending on the vibe. I don't mind not showering with them. Then on to business. Then payment. If she was very good I invite her to have a drink. Yesterday I had my all time favorite conversationalist who is amazing in the sack although not so hot in the facial looks department. She has an ok body though. Even with her I would not spend too much time conversing before the act. Afterwards we passed a good hour chatting over drinks. She is surprisingly knowledgeable in political and financial matters. $350 well spent.
Even the most experienced working girl will admit to a degree of concern when she rings the bell so I don't see how grabbing her ass and sticking a tongue in her mouth as soon as the door opens somehow puts her at ease or as suggested accurately predicts the level of service that follows. I guess it all depends on whether it's done Neanderthal style or with an element of restraint. Either way I don't get it but then again I haven't tried preferring a more relaxed greeting with a smile followed by a drink which usually works just fine.I've normally had some sort of communication with them beforehand, whether it's a minute or two with a FL on the street, and drink in the bar, or a few jokes walking up the stairs in the oily. I'm not really there to romance or get to know them. Although after a few sessions I will of course know a little bit about them.
Franciscass
11-30-20, 03:24
I've normally had some sort of communication with them beforehand, whether it's a minute or two with a FL on the street, and drink in the bar, or a few jokes walking up the stairs in the oily. I'm not really there to romance or get to know them. Although after a few sessions I will of course know a little bit about them.Over time as girls become more experienced they become more proficient with the basics, add more services such as anal to their skill set but after more years mongering that I care to remember my conclusion is that at any given time in their career they provide a somewhat similar service to whoever is paying them. Yes the customer's behavior can be a variable especially if he's difficult to satisfy but generally they have a routine they go through which as we all know varies enormously in quality from girl to girl but in my opinion at least doesn't change much as a result of how the session starts. Then thinking about it maybe that's because no more than the girls I too have become set in my routine. Perhaps time for a reboot so ass grabbing and some tonguing to begin with, why not.
Jimmy Boy 99
11-30-20, 06:16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANSHrLAvr8
Guys,
Is the videos from ASM filmed in VT6?
I am making up a travel itinerary for post COVID and Pattaya is one of my spots I will visit. Would appreciate if you could recommend a place where I can stay for about 5-7 nights.
/ Kirsia.
PedroMorales
12-06-20, 13:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANSHrLAvr8Good video. He claims osme women are pulling in over $13,000 US a week!
Banana Boi
12-06-20, 19:22
Is the videos from ASM filmed in VT6?
I am making up a travel itinerary for post COVID and Pattaya is one of my spots I will visit. Would appreciate if you could recommend a place where I can stay for about 5-7 nights.
VT6 is a condo so rooms are all different. I've stayed and seen about 20 different units in VT6 from the studio to the massive Penthouse suite where the bathroom is as large as the studio. I clicked on a couple of videos and the rooms do not look familiar. Some common features in VT6 are the lit ceilings and bar island countertops, but again they are all different.
Did you want to stay at the place because they made amateur porn movies there? As for VT6 it is quite old and the rooms can be extremely outdated and unkept to immaculate.
But the bigger elephant in the room is how are you getting in to Thailand any time in 2021?
Member #4667
12-06-20, 19:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4aAgKm01I
Girl at 6.20 I believe was one of the supposed top list girls mentioned in the past by some of the members here.
Member #4667
12-06-20, 20:21
Good video. He claims osme women are pulling in over $13,000 US a week!I think the figure mentioned was 300-400,000 baht a month, that's much less than 13 k usd a week.
PedroMorales
12-06-20, 21:25
I think the figure mentioned was 300-400,000 baht a month, that's much less than 13 k usd a week.13,000 US a month is a good wedge. For Soi 6. Unless he is lying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4aAgKm01I
Girl at 6.20 I believe was one of the supposed top list girls mentioned in the past by some of the members here.Great video letting us know exactly how Pattaya is today. That chick has seen better days. I bet she isn't on 13,000 US a month any more.
Crocodilexp
12-06-20, 22:29
Over time as girls become more experienced they become more proficient with the basics, add more services such as anal to their skill set but after more years mongering that I care to remember my conclusion is that at any given time in their career they provide a somewhat similar service to whoever is paying them. Generally speaking, I strongly agree with this. The service a girl provides is fairly similar between different customers, down to minor peculiarities and specials. I got that impression whenever I talked to people who have taken the same girl, especially popular ones from the Bangkok oilies or Beach Road.
More importantly, service will be roughly the same no matter how much you're paying. She'll give me the exact same service for 1000 baht that some clueless newbie paid her 2500 before.
However, with some of the girls, you won't get what you don't ask for, especially when it comes to advanced stuff, like rimming or anal. They might not volunteer, but they'll do it with anyone on request. Being forceful with the request won't help, best to ask and move on if she says no, unless you agreed on something beforehand.
Unless the customer is remarkably boorish and odious, he won't fare significantly worse, and on the other hand, a single session is rarely enough for a customer to ingratiate themselves with the girl and make her eager to do stuff she won't with others. Some girls are great at making us feel special and unique, but odds are, yes, she does that particular act with everyone.
Last but not least, some of the girls are just flaky and have mood fluctuations, and might be ok one day but crap the next.
Over time as girls become more experienced they become more proficient with the basics, add more services such as anal to their skill set but after more years mongering that I care to remember my conclusion is that at any given time in their career they provide a somewhat similar service to whoever is paying them. Yes the customer's behavior can be a variable especially if he's difficult to satisfy but generally they have a routine they go through which as we all know varies enormously in quality from girl to girl but in my opinion at least doesn't change much as a result of how the session starts. Then thinking about it maybe that's because no more than the girls I too have become set in my routine. Perhaps time for a reboot so ass grabbing and some tonguing to begin with, why not.Your last sentence kind of sums it up for me. I immediately tried to take them out of their routine. It normally either leads to a very good experience or calling off the whole thing.
In my almost way too long of a time in Thailand I have found that very few change over time. I've had quite a few gals years apart, and their skill sets rarely change. If they were lousy when they were 22 they're equally lousy when they're 32.
I am making up a travel itinerary for post COVID and Pattaya is one of my spots I will visit. Would appreciate if you could recommend a place where I can stay for about 5-7 nights.First, you posted in the wrong forum. There is a separate forum for Pattaya Hotels.
Second, there is an amazing variety of lodging in Pattaya. If you want to splash out, there are five star hotels with ocean views. If you're a Cheap Charlie, there are rooms with a fan on the east side of town. And everything in between. You need to provide more detail about your budget and your preferences.
Third, if you've never been to Pattaya (and I'm assuming you have not) you don't know what you don't know. Go to the Pattaya Hotels forum and read the last 100 pages. Google the lodging that strikes your fancy. Look at the photos. Do some map recon. Get a sense of how the city is laid out. Make a list of candidates. If at that point you have SPECIFIC questions, put them to the group.
In other words:
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Read+the+fucking+FAQ!
Mr Enternational
12-07-20, 05:14
More importantly, service will be roughly the same no matter how much you're paying. She'll give me the exact same service for 1000 baht that some clueless newbie paid her 2500 before.
I've had quite a few gals years apart, and their skill sets rarely change. If they were lousy when they were 22 they're equally lousy when they're 32.I was just discussing this in another thread a couple of days ago when another BM said, "So when I was giving her money, I was not paying her for sex. I am paying to have another experience like the one I had in the future. " I contested that it was not the money that made you have the experience that you did.
In general people fuck how they fuck. Pretty much the same as we walk how we walk. Are any of us going to walk differently 10 years from now barring shit connected to older age or accidents? So I really would not expect a person to fuck any different either unless they went through some kind of grand seminars instructing them of various techniques like the ones were taught by the Russians that got busted a few years back in Phuket.
This is a mongering forum where we talk about paying chicks. If tomorrow a chick paid you double instead of you paying her, then how would your method of fucking change? Would you really give it to her then? If so, what would really giving it to her entail? More than likely you would just be doing the same kind of fucking that you have always done.
Banana Boi
12-07-20, 05:35
13,000 US a month is a good wedge. For Soi 6. Unless he is lying.If Soi 6 girls made 13 k USD per month it explains why Secret doesn't need FL's money!
13 k USD is 392,500 baht monthly. This is 13 k baht per day. Let's be generous that a Soi 6 girl can make 1 k baht per day on lady drinks (20 drinks x 50 baht / drink). That still means that the girl makes 12 k baht per day on sessions. At 1000 baht per session, the girl has to do 12 1 hour sessions every day 7 days per week. Let's be generous and reduce this to 10 sessions per day if she gets generous tippers. I can see top girls doing this on occasion but to sustain it over time not a chance. Most Soi 6 girls are lucky to get 10 lady drinks per day and 1 session.
Of course none of the above numbers matter whatsoever if the girl is charming enough to get a few sucker Sponsors.
Math done quickly hope it's correct.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4aAgKm01I
Girl at 6.20 I believe was one of the supposed top list girls mentioned in the past by some of the members here.
Thanks for the video. The girl at 6:20 looks familiar. That is Sapphire style. She's obviously drunk or something else. As usual don't judge a club by who is standing outside but if I did I'd be horrified. Those aren't Palace girls but we all know the Palace girls have left Palace.
HorseTrader
12-07-20, 07:30
Good video. He claims osme women are pulling in over $13,000 US a week!The actual quote (as best I could understand) was "... We had one girl who was making 400k a month, but she's an anomaly... Some girls just make 40k." (at 22:35). That 400 k/month comes out to about $3,200 USD/week, not $13,000 USD/week. That's the high end, very few girls make that much, I doubt that even one can make that much consistently. I suspect the 40 k/month girl ($320 USD/week) is far more common.
Very few Soi 6 girls are bringing in big money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4aAgKm01I...Where I was desiring to live in my 70's and 80's. Hope that can still work out.
Danny Duck
12-08-20, 00:37
The actual quote (as best I could understand) was "... We had one girl who was making 400k a month, but she's an anomaly... Some girls just make 40k." (at 22:35). That 400 k/month comes out to about $3,200 USD/week, not $13,000 USD/week. That's the high end, very few girls make that much, I doubt that even one can make that much consistently. I suspect the 40 k/month girl ($320 USD/week) is far more common.
Very few Soi 6 girls are bringing in big money.A Soi 6 girl bringing in $13,000 a month. I would need receipts.
Just saying so many just spout utter Khrap.
You see what's in those Soi 6 Bars. I am not impressed.
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Engine Driver
12-08-20, 02:58
This really takes the cake. You guys guys are some lame, gullible, stupid fucks. No wonder why you over pay for pussy in a 3rd world country. 400,000 baht is $13,000 us dollars. I don't care if she is barfined every day of the month at a rate of $4,000 baht ($130 us dollar). She would need to see 100 customers in a month at a rate of 4,000 baht ($130 us dollars) per session to make that $13000! What Soi 6 bargirl even makes a quarter of that you dumb asses.Armchair mongers are bewildered by the fact that LBFMs in Pattaya are pulling in big dollars for doing nothing. Hahaha. But what's the point? Uneducated hookers, despite how glamourous they look in lipstick, white face paint and a tiny black thong, will always allow money to slip between their fingers. They are permanently broke. Tuk tuk drivers, other Thai boyfriends, shabu dealers, card sharks, landladies, friends and relatives will all take more than their share. Those Aussie outlaw bikers who own that group of bars would have all their girls in their stable hooked on ice. No doubt about that.
Banana Boi
12-08-20, 07:24
Very few Soi 6 girls are bringing in big money.
If a Soi 6 girl were that hot or good in bed she wouldn't be working in Soi 6.
You guys guys are some lame, gullible, stupid fucks.
you dumb asses. Thanks. Xoxoxo.
Hey, now, Thailand is at least a second world country!
I'd guess in 2017/2018 a few soi 6 girls were making 100 k in a month. That's basically salary + 3 quick ST a day, pretty doable. Especially when its tourists who will overpay or tip and not local expats. And its not every month, maybe peak high season its possible in normal years.
....In general people fuck how they fuck. Pretty much the same as we walk how we walk. Are any of us going to walk differently 10 years from now barring shit connected to older age or accidents? So I really would not expect a person to fuck any different either unless they went through some kind of grand seminars instructing them of various techniques like the ones were taught by the Russians that got busted a few years back in Phuket.
This is a mongering forum where we talk about paying chicks. If tomorrow a chick paid you double instead of you paying her, then how would your method of fucking change? Would you really give it to her then? If so, what would really giving it to her entail? More than likely you would just be doing the same kind of fucking that you have always done.I can say from my own experience that I walk in a different way, when I walk with a lady, compared to when I walk alone.
When I walk with a lady, then I adjust my speed and my rhythm to make it easy and comfortable for the lady. Or else she might need to run after me and have a hard time keeping up with me. Or I might leave her behind and end up walking alone, if I don't adjust my walking to hers. Because the lady is often smaller than me, with shorter legs. And the lady's anatomy of broader hips makes her inherently less efficient at walking than men, who have narrower hips. And the lady might also be wearing shoes with high heels or platform kind of shoes that make walking more difficult and less efficient for her. So, usually I'm the one who needs to slow down and adjust to the lady, when we walk together.
I suppose it's possible for a guy to be so selfish, that he doesn't adjust to his lady and does his habitual thing. Some guys are probably like this. And they can be like this both in walking with the lady and in having sex with her. But when a guy behaves this way, then he makes it difficult and unpleasant for the lady. She might tolerate it anyway, when you pay. But this isn't a good thing to do either in walking or in having sex with a partner.
And it's true that having a lot of sexual experience doesn't necessarily make you good in bed. Experience makes you better in bed only when you honestly judge your own performance, see your mistakes and inadequacies, and try to improve.
Some people learn from their experience, and they keep improving over time. While other people acquire bad habits and keep repeating them again and again. Because some people have a growth mindset and some have a fixed mindset. People with a growth mindset believe that they can learn and improve. And that's what they try to do every time. While people with a fixed mindset believe that they are born to be in a certain way, and they can't change it. So, they don't even try to judge their own performance, and they don't try to learn and improve.
This thing about learning from experience or not includes more than just sex. When people have a growth mindset or a fixed mindset, then they behave this way in most others aspects of their lives, which might include school, work, friends, marriage, and sex. Some people believe that they are born in a certain way, and they are fated to be the way they are, and they don't even believe that they can change and improve. So, they don't even try to learn and to change. And this lack of trying is what makes their belief about themselves come true. Their belief about themselves is true not because it has to be true, but because they make it true with their own thinking, choices, and behavior.
I think having good sex with a partner is like dancing well with a partner. You don't just do your own thing, as if you are alone. You adjust to the lady, and she adjusts to you. You might take the leading role with your pole from the front and from behind. Or the lady might cowgirl you with her pussy to lead the fuck with you. And you might also have some back and forth about who is in charge, when your cock is large. She might cowgirl you with her pussy, but then you will buck her from below. Or you might even stand up with the chick on your dick and go from cowgirl to missionary on her, while staying inside her with your cock throughout this maneuver.
I did something like this with a Thai lady before. And she thought this was hot. Because she became vocal and started making sex sounds, when I put her on her back like that from cowgirl to missionary on her, with my cock still inside her.
These are just some of the possible variations during your penetrations. And you shouldn't discount how the lady wants you to mount. These ladies often have a lot of experience with guys. They know what other guys have liked to do with them in the past. And they might suggest this to you too, if you let them take the lead with you. And you don't necessarily know what you like, until you try it. Because imagination is different from reality.
........go from cowgirl to missionary on her, while staying inside her with your cock throughout this maneuver.
I did something like this with a Thai lady before. And she thought this was hot. Because she became vocal and started making sex sounds, when I put her on her back like that from cowgirl to missionary on her, with my cock still inside her............Girls love it when you change positions without exiting from inside of them. Inexperienced girls especially have huge smiles on their faces when you effectuate those maneuvers.
Banana Boi
12-09-20, 05:38
I'd guess in 2017/2018 a few soi 6 girls were making 100 k in a month. That's basically salary + 3 quick ST a day, pretty doable. Talent from 2017 to pre-COVID 2020 had gone down 10 fold. In 2017 you could walk down Soi 6 and have to decide which one of the cute girls you want. In 2020, you went to grab dinner waiting for the gogo bars to open at 7:30 pm.
In addition, the number of guys cruising Soi 6 in 2017 was significantly higher than pre-COVID 2020.
Lots of girls would have made 100 k per month in 2017. Very very few in 2020. Almost zero now excluding Sponsor money.
Love Sex 22
12-13-20, 08:09
Could an body please help to recommend a reliable pharmacist in central Pattaya that I refill some of my medical medications. Also can buy kamagra gels from them. I appreciate your help.
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GettingFedUp
12-13-20, 09:02
COULD AN BODY PLEASE HELP TO RECOMEND A RELIABLE PHARMACIST IN CENTRAL PATTAYA THAT I REFIL SOME OF MY MEDICAL MEDICATIONS. ALSO CAN BUY kAMAGRA GELLS FROM THEM. I APRICIATE YOUR HELP.LS,
Firstly please turn off CapsLock. It's rude to shout.
For regular prescription meds Fascino (https://www.fascino.co.th/en/) have always served me well. They are a smallish chain and seem to carry good stock levels and probably have a higher stock turnover rate than the independents. They have branches at:
Pattaya Klang (Central Pattaya Road) a bit further inland than the end of Soi Buakhao. It's on the left as you head away from the Beach.
Pattaya Tai (South Pattaya Road) about 2-300 metres inland from the Second Road junction. If you get to Tukcom you've gone too far.
Pattaya Nua (North Pattaya Road) about 100 metres past City Hall. From Dolphins roundabout / Terminal 21 head inland about 500 metres (it's beyond the big Tesco Lotus and on the other side of the road).
For Erectile Dysfunction meds. Pretty much any of the independent pharmacies. Some do, some don't. Just ask, they're used to it. I would suggest checking expiry dates given how quiet things are around much of Pattaya. Stock may have sat on the shelf for months.
A RELIABLE PHARMACIST IN CENTRAL PATTAYAI get my refills at We're Drugs Pharmacy on Soi Buahkao, near LK Metro, almost across from the Top Charoen Optical Store. The prices there are better than most, and they can order if they don't have it in stock. Usually same day or next day. The ladies speak good English too. Remember, you have to tell them what you need, as they can't prescribe meds. I show them pics of my prescription labels. They also have ED meds. I get my gels from the street venders, without issues. (Cheaper.).
.And, guys, we are getting close to end. I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.You and her get married and live happily ever after!
FL Hawke has been quiet for over month now, lets hope we get the last episode before the new year.
Banana Boi
12-16-20, 05:39
FL Hawke has been quiet for over month now, lets hope we get the last episode before the new year.Pretty certain he got fed up with the negativity of certain posters.
I was rather harsh in my judgement of him. It seemed wrong to me to string a woman on for months.
Pretty certain he got fed up with the negativity of certain posters.
Pretty certain he got fed up with the negativity of certain posters.The negativity was ridiculous and reached the point of name calling. Imagine the time he spent putting those reports together and getting that type of reaction from some. And people complained during a pandemic when not much else has been posted. I'm not sure why he has been silent but you may be right. Hopefully he will post the rest of the story. I tried to reach out to him but his inbox is full.
I was rather harsh in my judgement of him. It seemed wrong to me to string a woman on for months.Yes Horatio you were a bit harsh as were many others.
In fairness I think he asked for people to respond to his story. He was one of my favorite posters. If he is reading this. I apologize for being so harsh and wish him and Secret well.
The negativity was ridiculous and reached the point of name calling. Imagine the time he spent putting those reports together and getting that type of reaction from some. And people complained during a pandemic when not much else has been posted. I'm not sure why he has been silent but you may be right. Hopefully he will post the rest of the story. I tried to reach out to him but his inbox is full.
Yes Horatio you were a bit harsh as were many others.
Banana Boi
12-18-20, 05:42
Imagine the time he spent putting those reports together and getting that type of reaction from some. FL advised that he spent hours writing the final installment. This was weeks ago. We'll see if he feels like posting it.
Franciscass
12-18-20, 11:10
FL advised that he spent hours writing the final installment. This was weeks ago. We'll see if he feels like posting it.Perhaps a Christmas day blockbuster epilogue. Question is will the ending be conclusive or will we be left with the possibility of a second series.
Member #4733
12-18-20, 11:24
Pretty certain he got fed up with the negativity of certain posters.I supported him for as long as he seemed to look for a relationship in an honest way. He even wrote that I was the only one that understood him. Then he spoke about his fear of being cheated and just started cheating himself. After that he still asked for her sincerity. He might be fed up with my comments but I am OK with that.
PedroMorales
12-26-20, 20:15
Here is a heart-breaking report from some months ago as to how Pattaya's hookers have been hit by Covid19. Some of the women are odd looking specimens, crosses between elephants and middle aged mamas. The news report is from some months ago so I suspect most of them have gone to the wall since. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwuePrrDRRs.
Mr Enternational
12-27-20, 00:03
Here is a heart-breaking report from some months ago as to how Pattaya's hookers have been hit by Covid19. Some of the women are odd looking specimens, crosses between elephants and middle aged mamas . The news report is from some months ago so I suspect most of them have gone to the wall since. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwuePrrDRRs.So nevermind that the main woman in the story is a man? How much did you send him?
Danny Duck
12-27-20, 06:32
So nevermind that the main woman in the story is a man? How much did you send him?Some? Most in Pattaya are not EZ on the eyes. LOL.
You know the 500 bahters and below crowd.
LittleBigMan
12-29-20, 11:44
Chon Buri Governor announced the same as Bangkok? Starting today until Jan 5th, entertainment closes at midnight no alcohol served although no Ban.
Chon Buri Governor announced the same as Bangkok? Starting today until Jan 5th, entertainment closes at midnight no alcohol served although no Ban.No, Everything still open in Pattaya, but with a 12 a closure. Ban Chang is closed up though.
https://thepattayanews.com/2020/12/29/chonburi-announces-12-new-local-cases-of-covid-19-recap-of-governors-press-conference/
LittleBigMan
12-29-20, 12:54
No, Everything still open in Pattaya, but with a 12 a closure. Ban Chang is closed up though.
https://thepattayanews.com/2020/12/29/chonburi-announces-12-new-local-cases-of-covid-19-recap-of-governors-press-conference/Isn't that what I said? Midnight? Look again! I suspect tonight some will try to stretch the timeline we will see how serious. BaLn Chang is in the Rayong province which had an outbreak from their illegal casino the reason now the province has been locked down.
Also, Pattaya City Hall made an announcement today if people have been in these areas at these dates and times and have fevers go get help! 1. Thepprasit Boxing Stadium Dec 1st, 2. Provincial Court Dec 10th, 3. Lek Hotel Dec 17th-20th, 24th-26th, 4. Bone Entertainment venue behind Central Marina 2nd Road.
Isn't that what I said? Midnight? Look again!No.
Chon Buri Governor announced the same as Bangkok?See that Question mark?, means you were asking a question. Even if that was a typo, it is Not the same as Bangkok. Bangkok has closed ALL entertainment venues, and other places until Jan 4. There are currently NO restrictions, closures in Pattaya. Pattaya only has the 12a closing time, and No end date given on that.
LittleBigMan
12-30-20, 01:40
No.
See that Question mark?, means you were asking a question. Even if that was a typo, it is Not the same as Bangkok. Bangkok has closed ALL entertainment venues, and other places until Jan 4. There are currently NO restrictions, closures in Pattaya. Pattaya only has the 12a closing time, and No end date given on that.Yes you are correct it isn't the " same " as Bangkok the word I should have used from what I read in the article was " similar " The big difference is Bangkok is completely closed which in Pattaya since the bar and GoGo close well beyond Midnight the announcement is for them to close by Midnight also stating only food and drink can be served although stated there is no ban on alcohol. It also stated a timeline for these restrictions JAN 4TH same as Bangkok!
Houston Player
12-30-20, 05:58
Yes you are correct it isn't the " same " as Bangkok the word I should have used from what I read in the article was " similar " The big difference is Bangkok is completely closed which in Pattaya since the bar and GoGo close well beyond Midnight the announcement is for them to close by Midnight also stating only food and drink can be served although stated there is no ban on alcohol. It also stated a timeline for these restrictions JAN 4TH same as Bangkok!Bangkok is still open, it depends on the district and the local police's interpretation of the rules. Nana Plaza go-go bars are closed, pubs are open and Soi Cowboy all go-go bars are open. (still dead with few tourists).
Pattaya now on full lockdown, everything closed including Central. Restaurants are takeout only. It sucks but I'd prefer they shut down now and its over in a few weeks vs 3 months again.
LittleBigMan
12-30-20, 09:35
Bangkok is still open, it depends on the district and the local police's interpretation of the rules. Nana Plaza go-go bars are closed, pubs are open and Soi Cowboy all go-go bars are open. (still dead with few tourists).Revision made today non-essentials all shutdown, 7/11 is to close at 10:00 pm! Can go to the Bangkok Post links to get details. Just came back from the market on the Darkside all the bars and GC are closed.
No Pattaya curfew, but shit getting serious. Chonburi Public Heath Office advising people to monitor their health if they went to H&M in Terminal 21, Duck Club on WS, Glass house in Na Jomtien and a bunch of other places. There are 108 confirmed cases of local transmission of Covid 19 in Chonburi. The total number of Chonburi is now reached 144. They've released three different timelines this evening to warn people.
https://thepattayanews.com/2020/12/30/latest-timelines-the-duck-club-thepprasit-market-and-other-venues-in-pattaya-nongprue-banglamung-and-sattahip-warns-people-who-visited-places-in-relation-to-confirmed-covid-19-cases/
Banana Boi
12-31-20, 06:49
Pattaya now on full lockdown, everything closed including Central. Restaurants are takeout only. It sucks but I'd prefer they shut down now and its over in a few weeks vs 3 months again.A full lockdown will only slow down the spread of the COVID virus in hopes that the hospitals aren't overwhelmed like in so many countries. Lockdown will not stop the virus. 100% buy in from every person will stop the virus.
Stop all those fools who don't know how the frack to wear a mask. Saw a lady in her 70's the other day wear her mask that only covered her nose and blocked half her vision. Left her mouth 100% uncovered and she was not drinking, smoking, nor eating. I also don't understand why people feel they have to take their masks off to talk on their phone. Dumb people.
PedroMorales
12-31-20, 09:23
A full lockdown will only slow down the spread of the COVID virus in hopes that the hospitals aren't overwhelmed like in so many countries. Lockdown will not stop the virus. 100% buy in from every person will stop the virus.
Stop all those fools who don't know how the frack to wear a mask. Saw a lady in her 70's the other day wear her mask that only covered her nose and blocked half her vision. Left her mouth 100% uncovered and she was not drinking, smoking, nor eating. I also don't understand why people feel they have to take their masks off to talk on their phone. Dumb people.Says the main posting on a site where folk wish to bonk random, uneducated hookers. Now you want to attack grannies because they do not wear a mask like you want her to wear it. You think she should have been smoking her head off and, presumably, injecting to protect you from your phobias.
Why not stop planes flying altogether? Why allow elite sports? Why allow newspapers to be printed?
I will take my chances by eating 5+ a day, keeping my immune system strong, helping old ladies and avoiding like the plague they are ignorant scare mongers.
Stop all those fools who don't know how the frack to wear a mask. Saw a lady in her 70's the other day wear her mask that only covered her nose and blocked half her vision. Left her mouth 100% uncovered and she was not drinking, smoking, nor eating. I also don't understand why people feel they have to take their masks off to talk on their phone. Dumb people.The narrative is biased from the beginning. The virus is spread all around the world and it's not face masks, vaccines or any totalitarian government response that will eradicate it. The virus will not disappear and these lockdowns will be extended as long as they can enforce them. It's completely illogical to fuck lives of 99 % of the population to save 1% so the problem has nothing to do with that virus but they are trying to implement something else on the global population.
To make it short, dumb people are the ones that believe to their narrative and are willing to inject that shitty product in their blood in order to still be able to do whatever they were used to before the spread of the virus.
A full lockdown will only slow down the spread of the COVID virus in hopes that the hospitals aren't overwhelmed like in so many countries. Lockdown will not stop the virus. 100% buy in from every person will stop the virus.
Stop all those fools who don't know how the frack to wear a mask. Saw a lady in her 70's the other day wear her mask that only covered her nose and blocked half her vision. Left her mouth 100% uncovered and she was not drinking, smoking, nor eating. I also don't understand why people feel they have to take their masks off to talk on their phone. Dumb people.Saw 2 old farang ladies and a older farang man arguing with security today at Central Pattaya because all 3 had their masks off. Just being total cunts of course, acting that because they lived longer than others they earned the right to go without a mask. I'm not scared of covid but its just basic decency to wear a mask going into a mall where its mandatory on the first day of semi-lockdown.
Danny Duck
01-01-21, 01:03
Science says lockdowns do not work. It's all Political.
I feel a lot better knowing Thailand has one more Submarine.
It's completely illogical to fuck lives of 99 % of the population to save 1% The problem is that the 1% would very soon become 10%, 20%, 30%, and so on, if the authorities would not fuck the lives of the 99%. Or if a significant part of the 99% does not want to listen to the authorities, which is exactly what is happening in the USA and many other places.
The problem is that the 1% would very soon become 10%, 20%, 30%, and so on, if the authorities would not fuck the lives of the 99%. Or if a significant part of the 99% does not want to listen to the authorities, which is exactly what is happening in the USA and many other places.The lockdowns were the exact right thing to do not only to avoid overwhelming hospitals and tie up the time and attention of medical staff to the point where your garden variety heart attack patient and motorcycle accident casualty would laguish in the halls outside of the ER until they were added to the death ranks but also in order to buy time to learn how to treat it and reduce the death rates for all ages and physical conditions.
Anyone reading this who needs to be hospitalized for Covid today will be given treatment and drugs they might not have been given last March or April, even moved into a particular position on the bed that could very well mean the difference between dying 5 days from now or 25 years from now.
It requires time and, forgive the pun, breathing room to learn those things.
And if you ARE reading this today instead of being 8 months dead already after waiting in a 10 hour queue at your local ER before anyone knew what the fuck to do about this novel virus to prolong life rather than end it you might want to give thanks to the authorites who had the gonads to demand a lockdown for the pleasure.
Now they are learning about a more infectious variant that might be much more harmful to people not in the first 1% or 10% that the original coronavirus version effected, perhaps young children. Or might not. Only time will tell. But I vote for learning more about it with just 50% of hospital beds filled with case studies to learn from during some degree of lockdown rather than with 100% of them filled and a 4 day gueue unable to be admitted and tended to at all just so I can pick up a loaf of bread at 7-11 at 2 am instead of only before 10 pm.
The lockdowns were the exact right thing to do not only to avoid overwhelming hospitals and tie up the time and attention of medical staff to the point where your garden variety heart attack patient and motorcycle accident casualty would laguish in the halls outside of the ER until they were added to the death ranks but also in order to buy time to learn how to treat it and reduce the death rates for all ages and physical conditions.
Anyone reading this who needs to be hospitalized for Covid today will be given treatment and drugs they might not have been given last March or April, even moved into a particular position on the bed that could very well mean the difference between dying 5 days from now or 25 years from now.
It requires time and, forgive the pun, breathing room to learn those things.
And if you ARE reading this today instead of being 8 months dead already after waiting in a 10 hour queue at your local ER before anyone knew what the fuck to do about this novel virus to prolong life rather than end it you might want to give thanks to the authorites who had the gonads to demand a lockdown for the pleasure.
Now they are learning about a more infectious variant that might be much more harmful to people not in the first 1% or 10% that the original coronavirus version effected, perhaps young children. Or might not. Only time will tell. But I vote for learning more about it with just 50% of hospital beds filled with case studies to learn from during some degree of lockdown rather than with 100% of them filled and a 4 day gueue unable to be admitted and tended to at all just so I can pick up a loaf of bread at 7-11 at 2 am instead of only before 10 pm.Well stated and I could not agree with you more.
Mr Enternational
01-01-21, 13:11
they are trying to implement something else on the global population.
To make it short, dumb people are the ones that believe to their narrative and are willing to inject that shitty product in their blood in order to still be able to do whatever they were used to before the spread of the virus.Who is the they you speak of? You seriously believe 194 countries and millions of medical professionals are in cahoots right now?
Who is the they you speak of? You seriously believe 194 countries and millions of medical professionals are in cahoots right now?As a medical professional, if there is a conspiracy where everyone else is collaborating and making dollars off this vaccine, please please let me in on the easy money.
HorseTrader
01-01-21, 17:12
Who is the they you speak of? You seriously believe 194 countries and millions of medical professionals are in cahoots right now?Millions of people believe exactly that.
The fundamental problem is many people don't sufficiently understand the science to realize how destructive this virus is when left unchecked. They refuse to abandon their fun times now to save lives and have a better future. They don't care if somebody else suffers or dies.
Too many people are selfish and lack respect for others. What does Buddha teach about that?
Danny Duck
01-01-21, 20:30
Millions of people believe exactly that.
The fundamental problem is many people don't sufficiently understand the science to realize how destructive this virus is when left unchecked. They refuse to abandon their fun times now to save lives and have a better future. They don't care if somebody else suffers or dies.
Too many people are selfish and lack respect for others. What does Buddha teach about that?Science says it's the Flu. Wash your Hands. Don't kiss ProstitootS.
If You are vulnerable stay home.
US govt bought millions of covid 19 tests for $5 each. Cheaper tests can be made for about a dollar. It costs well over $100 for me to get tested here in usa. Explain how that's not about money.
As a medical professional, if there is a conspiracy where everyone else is collaborating and making dollars off this vaccine, please please let me in on the easy money.
US govt bought millions of covid 19 tests for $5 each. Cheaper tests can be made for about a dollar. It costs well over $100 for me to get tested here in usa. Explain how that's not about money.And same for your car mechanic with a $5 part. What will you end up paying? LOL.
Beijing4987
01-01-21, 21:38
US govt bought millions of covid 19 tests for $5 each. Cheaper tests can be made for about a dollar. It costs well over $100 for me to get tested here in usa. Explain how that's not about money.Maybe it depends on being in a failing Blue state vs a liberated state. Certainly it's not the fault of DJT. Maybe Jared Kushner, who allowed people not vomiting and in an ICU to be tested. Or Mike Pence, Czar of "Warp Speed" ? Write a beautiful letter to Mitch McConnell or Rand Paul, who seem to have all the answers.
Mr Enternational
01-01-21, 22:07
US govt bought millions of covid 19 tests for $5 each. Cheaper tests can be made for about a dollar. It costs well over $100 for me to get tested here in usa. Explain how that's not about money.There are still administrative costs. There is transportation cost. The building that these tests are stored in have to be paid for. The person that tests you have to be paid. The machines to run the tests through have to be bought. Electricity to run those machines have to be paid for. The maintenance on the machines have to be paid for. Etc. Non-profits still require capital to function.
US govt bought millions of covid 19 tests for $5 each. Cheaper tests can be made for about a dollar. It costs well over $100 for me to get tested here in usa. Explain how that's not about money.Some companies will profit wildly from the virus. That doesn't mean we should stop testing. That doesn't make it hoax.
The tests that cost a dollar to make can be self administered and are 99% accurate. A small fraction of the latest covid stimulus could make widespread testing a reality.
www.rapidtests.org
There are still administrative costs. There is transportation cost. The building that these tests are stored in have to be paid for. The person that tests you have to be paid. The machines to run the tests through have to be bought. Electricity to run those machines have to be paid for. The maintenance on the machines have to be paid for. Etc. Non-profits still require capital to function.
Danny Duck
01-02-21, 00:28
US govt bought millions of covid 19 tests for $5 each. Cheaper tests can be made for about a dollar. It costs well over $100 for me to get tested here in usa. Explain how that's not about money.United Airlines Partner charges $250.
There are still administrative costs. There is transportation cost. The building that these tests are stored in have to be paid for. The person that tests you have to be paid. The machines to run the tests through have to be bought. Electricity to run those machines have to be paid for. The maintenance on the machines have to be paid for. Etc. Non-profits still require capital to function.Blah blah blah. Its all a scam.
What about those same costs in poorer countries. Yet they only have to pay 1/10th of the cost.
Mr Enternational
01-02-21, 12:42
Blah blah blah. Its all a scam.
What about those same costs in poorer countries. Yet they only have to pay 1/10th of the cost.Blah blah blah. It is called price discrimination. Do you go to London and see a Big Mac cost $8 and say it is a scam because in Manila a Big Mac costs only $2?
Blah blah blah. Its all a scam.
What about those same costs in poorer countries. Yet they only have to pay 1/10th of the cost.Its not a scam, its capitalism. The industrialists in richer countries need a bigger slice of the pie for themselves as it is essential for them to maintain a lifestyle that is befitting their station in life.
in Manila a Big Mac costs only $2?Greetings from Manila, it's $3 to be precise.
Happy New Year and Cheers!
Who is the they you speak of? You seriously believe 194 countries and millions of medical professionals are in cahoots right now?The "they" are sometimes called "the elite", you should understand very wealthy and very influential people along with many top leaders of the westernized and affiliated governments (if you want to read names, these are the Klaus Schwab, the Rockfellers and many others from their tribe).
Medical professionals don't have a say, they've got to keep on doing their jobs and shut up. Most of the times the ones that tried to stand up against that tyranny had lawsuits filed against them, had their voices shut down on the mainstream media and on social media apps also and many had been fired from the hospital they were working in.
How deadly is a virus if you need a test to tell you have it? Why are 90% of those "positive" results from people who do not exhibit a single symptom? How reliable is a test if a kiwi or coca cola returns a positive result? People can argue all they want but the bottom line is indisputable, 99.95% of all people who got this virus has lived.
There are still administrative costs. There is transportation cost. The building that these tests are stored in have to be paid for. The person that tests you have to be paid. The machines to run the tests through have to be bought. Electricity to run those machines have to be paid for. The maintenance on the machines have to be paid for. Etc. Non-profits still require capital to function.
Danny Duck
01-02-21, 23:09
The "they" are sometimes called "the elite", you should understand very wealthy and very influential people along with many top leaders of the westernized and affiliated governments (if you want to read names, these are the Klaus Schwab, the Rockfellers and many others from their tribe).
Medical professionals don't have a say, they've got to keep on doing their jobs and shut up. Most of the times the ones that tried to stand up against that tyranny had lawsuits filed against them, had their voices shut down on the mainstream media and on social media apps also and many had been fired from the hospital they were working in.Remember the young good looking Wuhan Dr. Who started speaking the truth. He died of Covid. MeThinks he was murdered.
Most guys need a test to find out they have chlamydia. Not deadly but spreadable and bad enough for some.
[QUOTEE=Linyjo;2517678]How deadly is a virus if you need a test to tell you have it? Why are 90% of those "positive" results from people who do not exhibit a single symptom? How reliable is a test if a kiwi or coca cola returns a positive result? People can argue all they want but the bottom line is indisputable, 99.95% of all people who got this virus has lived. [ / QUOTE].
HorseTrader
01-04-21, 08:31
People can argue all they want but the bottom line is indisputable, 99.95% of all people who got this virus has lived.Where did you get your numbers? I just checked today's report from Johns Hopkins and worldwide it shows cumulative 85,100,000 cases and 1,840,000 deaths. There are still 37,300,000 that have not yet recovered and some of those will die. Perhaps your math is better than mine, but my calculator says 97.8% are still living, not even close to your 99.95%. There are also millions who will have related health problems for the rest of their lives, perhaps you don't mind being one of them.
Note to other posters. Sorry for feeding a troll, I lost control.
LittleBigMan
01-04-21, 10:28
How deadly is a virus if you need a test to tell you have it? Why are 90% of those "positive" results from people who do not exhibit a single symptom? How reliable is a test if a kiwi or coca cola returns a positive result? People can argue all they want but the bottom line is indisputable, 99.95% of all people who got this virus has lived.It really isn't important at least to me what the percentage the same with any other disease, cancer, Hiv or just being in the wrong place at the right time you don't want to be that 1% if you were I know you wouldn't be singing the tune you singing now! I know I wouldn't get any argument for any of the 99.95% who got it in the beginning.
I just found out today a former co-worker I would guess age 55 been in hospital in a coma since the middle of November didn't make it.
ClosetPervert9
01-06-21, 11:38
Where did you get your numbers? I just checked today's report from Johns Hopkins and worldwide it shows cumulative 85,100,000 cases and 1,840,000 deaths. There are still 37,300,000 that have not yet recovered and some of those will die. Perhaps your math is better than mine, but my calculator says 97.8% are still living, not even close to your 99.95%. There are also millions who will have related health problems for the rest of their lives, perhaps you don't mind being one of them.
Note to other posters. Sorry for feeding a troll, I lost control.Don't apologize.
Don't be in a hurry to visit Patts as there is nothing to see right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FLj2roZjBk&t=758s
Prattaya66
01-07-21, 14:57
I don't know why some people are saying Pattaya is dead at the moment. Yes the gogos are closed as are the bars and restaurants. But the dating websites are positively exploding. I get over 10 girls a day wanting to meet me for short time and prices have dropped to 1,000 baht for short time. Plus, there are no ladydrinks or barfines to pay. Paradise.
I don't know why some people are saying Pattaya is dead at the moment. Yes the gogos are closed as are the bars and restaurants. But the dating websites are positively exploding. I get over 10 girls a day wanting to meet me for short time and prices have dropped to 1,000 baht for short time. Plus, there are no ladydrinks or barfines to pay. Paradise.You're totally true! Pattaya is dead town but girls are all online and they all come to your condo for 1000/1500 Bahts. And for 1500 they provide easily BBFS. It's great!
SinfullyKorean
01-07-21, 20:18
I don't know why some people are saying Pattaya is dead at the moment. Yes the gogos are closed as are the bars and restaurants. But the dating websites are positively exploding. I get over 10 girls a day wanting to meet me for short time and prices have dropped to 1,000 baht for short time. Plus, there are no ladydrinks or barfines to pay. Paradise.That's good to know. Please post your field reports. It's probably because people don't know.
NicFrenchy
01-08-21, 00:14
I don't know why some people are saying Pattaya is dead at the moment. Yes the gogos are closed as are the bars and restaurants. But the dating websites are positively exploding. I get over 10 girls a day wanting to meet me for short time and prices have dropped to 1,000 baht for short time. Plus, there are no ladydrinks or barfines to pay. Paradise.I use a dating website (mostly in Bangkok) and all the encounters are free. Sure, it may take a bit more work / effort / time chatting the girls up but there is a 95% rate for me of sex on the first encounter.
What puzzles me is how do you separate the hookers from the regular girls? How do you know to ask them for a price?
Mr Enternational
01-08-21, 01:15
What puzzles me is how do you separate the hookers from the regular girls? How do you know to ask them for a price?Why does that puzzle you? You just talk to them normal and wait for them to say how much you give me. If they do not say that then 9 times out of 10 it is a regular chick.
HorseTrader
01-08-21, 01:48
What puzzles me is how do you separate the hookers from the regular girls? How do you know to ask them for a price?On some dating apps the girls specify what age man they want. If they want any age, they are probably hookers. If they seek a man within a small range of ages, they are probably regular girls.
NicFrenchy
01-08-21, 02:23
On some dating apps the girls specify what age man they want. If they want any age, they are probably hookers. If they seek a man within a small range of ages, they are probably regular girls.I did not know you could see whet the girl was aiming for. I usually look at the photos and if I like, I swipe right. I must be lucky because the majority of the girls I like are a match.
And at MrEnternational, I have yet to encounter a girl that asks me for money, they all just want to chat, take it slow and most are not difficult to talk into some fun.
One thing too, there must be so many fake profiles out there, they all ask for Video calls to confirm I am the person my profile says I am.
HorseTrader
01-08-21, 04:02
I did not know you could see whet the girl was aiming for. I usually look at the photos and if I like, I swipe right. I must be lucky because the majority of the girls I like are a match.
And at MrEnternational, I have yet to encounter a girl that asks me for money, they all just want to chat, take it slow and most are not difficult to talk into some fun.
One thing too, there must be so many fake profiles out there, they all ask for Video calls to confirm I am the person my profile says I am.ThaiFriendly, ThaiCupid, and ThaiFlirting all specify a target age range. I've never used Tinder in Thailand. I've found very few hookers in ThaiCupid, maybe zero.
I've also used people nearby on both WeChat and Line. No target age range there. Lots of scam artists contact me thru those apps. But, two of my best experiences have come through WeChat people nearby (one in Samui and one in USA).
Video chats are great for us and for the girls. If a girl won't video chat I quickly ignore her.
Banana Boi
01-08-21, 05:34
I don't use any of these sites but I'm curious why a good looking 20 year hot civilian Thai girl would hook up with a 40+ year old tourist for free. Do these girls just have sex with you and you never have to speak with them again or is there dead weight bothering you for the rest of your vacation?
Sure I have Freebie girls like any other expat but I lived in Pattaya. My Freebie girls are girls I met through other girls or maybe a gogo girl who I never barfined and it was a challenge for her to see if she could get me to sleep with her.
I don't use any of these sites but I'm curious why a good looking 20 year hot civilian Thai girl would hook up with a 40+ year old tourist for free.
...Beer.
LOL. Ok, maybe not usually that simple but it could be in some cases. I certainly see mention of such a thing on some Thai girls' dating site profiles.
But there is a lot of flexibility in the terms "20" year old, "hot", "tourist", "40+" and "free" regarding a dating site encounter.
Maybe she's 20. More likely she's closer to 30, mid to late 20's at best.
A tourist doesn't have to say he's a tourist. He can say he lives here all the time and was looking for a regular GF or even marriage. When I meet non pro girls online it seems to be very important for them to quickly establish how long I have been here and how long do I plan to stay here. With P4P girls too, I suppose, but not as consistently.
Some young party girls who don't appear to need the money and flat out say on their profiles, in effect, that if you offer them money or think they are a prostitute they will block you immediately are also the ones most likely to designate an 18-30 year age range for the men they want to meet. Many 40+ year old farangs will click on them anyway and might pull it off, especially if your first meeting is after the girl has already tossed back 5 Heinekens.
And "hot" is in the eye of the beholder. I think it is easier for us to agree on "above average looking" girls. Then among that group some men will judge this one or that one to be "hot" while others would consider her only pleasantly "doable. " But at least "doable."
Being a 67 year old long stay resident I don't think I would claim to routinely get hot 20 year old Thai girls fucking and sucking me for free whether I've met them online or anywhere else.
Applying some realistic flexibility in there I could say I occasionally meet above average looking, more than doable Thai girls in their 20's who will meet to fuck and suck me as part of a more normal dating type experience on their preferred understanding that I am not expected to automatically hand them an agreed upon amount of baht on their way out the door the next day but that I will more than likely be happy to cover transportation expenses and to transfer an emergency 1,000 - 2,000 baht for rent, late paychecks from their regular job and such if or rather when that emergency comes up.
In some cases, it rarely comes up. In other cases, more often.
HorseTrader
01-08-21, 07:41
I don't use any of these sites but I'm curious why a good looking 20 year hot civilian Thai girl would hook up with a 40+ year old tourist for free. Do these girls just have sex with you and you never have to speak with them again or is there dead weight bothering you for the rest of your vacation?No, not quite that. These are Thai girls who are looking for a farang husband and want to live in his western country. They are willing to do months of Line video chats before meeting in Thailand followed by a month long sexcation. If marriage happens, great, if not she had a month vacation, eating nice food, taking tours, and staying in resorts she could never afford. Implicit in the marriage deal is a lifetime supply of money sent to her poor Issan family. There are many western men looking for this, half of me wants that while the other half wants an endless supply of agogo, massage, and free lancer girls.
My travel buddy married a professional Thai girl from a Thai dating website and they are now happily married for 2 years in USA. Oh, she is 34 years younger. Ive set up the same kind of thing for myself, but the planned time together is only 5 to 12 days and I have the remaining vacation time to myself (or can invite her to stay longer).
Sometimes it works and everybody is happy.
NicFrenchy
01-08-21, 07:48
I don't use any of these sites but I'm curious why a good looking 20 year hot civilian Thai girl would hook up with a 40+ year old tourist for freeI'll tell you, because a lot of men lie. They lie, lie, lie, lie and lie.
Many of the girls now start to smarten up and know the tricks. Most Farangs want to talk about sex and think sending these girls pics of their pecker will make them horny. In fact, it's quite the opposite.
I have found that all the girls I have been 100% honest with are the ones that dropped their panties the quickest.
I am upfront about being in a relationship and just looking to meet friends to talk, have been in Thailand a long time and I offer video calls to prove my pictures are genuine.
Believe me, it only takes a couple days for these girls to really want to meet you, and usually they are the ones hinting for "benefits" to be added to the friendship.
Maybe I'm lucky, but I'm over 40, I'm not single, I'm not looking for a relationship and saying that upfront somehow creates an atmosphere of trust. I never talk about sex or sexual stuff, I talk about food, movies, TikTok (yeah, I know) and it's refreshing to them.
No matter what age the girl, they've been lied to and deceived so many times, scammed sometimes too. So if you don't talk about sex or offer / ask for pics, you'll be standing out easy.
.......A tourist doesn't have to say he's a tourist. He can say he lives here all the time and was looking for a regular GF or even marriage.....In other words be dishonest. Lay a good foundation for your temporary relationship.
In other words be dishonest. Lay a good foundation for your temporary relationship.Of course. We're talking about dating and hook up sites. Everybody rounds up or down on some details here and there. There is only a small chance she's going to show up looking as good as she does in her best photo. Probably more like 5 years older and 4 kilos heavier than her worst photo.
In fact, a good rule of thumb to go by with dating site profiles is the more she emphasizes how honest she needs her man of choice to be and how much she hates liars, the farther away from looking like her best photo (or any of her photos) she is likely to turn out to be. In the wrong direction.
I am not instructing or recommending anyone lie about being a long termer rather than a tourist. I'm just saying a man not saying he is a tourist might add to the reasons a young, civilian, non P4P girl hops into bed with the 40+ year old guy she met online, as in Banana Boi's question.
But, really, are many 40+ year old posters here claiming to regularly get totally free sex with hot 20 year old girls they meet online on a regular basis? I suppose I recall being mischaracterized as having made such a claim a few times. But I never did. Some of us will get mischaracterized for what we post now and again. I think in this case I have only read posters making claims closer to the examples I rounded up and down on with certain details in my previous post.
LittleBigMan
01-09-21, 02:05
Interesting do we need a Dating site Thread LOL?
NicFrenchy
01-09-21, 03:47
Interesting do we need a Dating site Thread LOL?LMAO. "Dating" is a lot more on-topic than what Fauci has to say about Covid. #justsaying.
Franciscass
01-09-21, 05:13
I have a sister who can spend an hour chatting when she answers a wrong number caller. Face to face I can sell sand to the Arabs but texting or chatting over the airwaves is a skill I sadly find wanting hence my envy of members who charm 20 year olds into meeting online and shagging for free. Fortunately I don't lack options even during shut downs, the benefits I guess of over 20 years residency but I sure wish I could crack this dating app scene where the chicks are free.
Prattaya66
01-09-21, 14:15
I posted a report about Pattaya a few days ago. I pointed out that even though bars and gogos are closed, the dating websites are buzzing. Some people asked how I can know which girls are 'available'. Here's my answer. First, I state that I am in my mid-60's and am looking for a "friendly girl aged 20-30 for short time a couple of times a week". That makes it clear that any girl who shows she is interested in me knows what I want. Second, as soon as they click to show they are interested in me, I message to ask how much for short time. Thirdly, I agree that some lie about their age and their photos are years old. But some I have had have been wonderful. Fourthly, I speak a bit of Thai and reckon that most of the girls I've had have not been full-time hookers or ex-bargirls. I think most have been ordinary working girls who have lost their jobs due to the collapse in tourism and lockdowns and these ordinary girls see doing a couple of sessions with an old, ugly farang like me each week as a convenient way of paying the rent and putting food on the table.
Hope that helps explain the situation here in Pattaya.
I don't use any of these sites but I'm curious why a good looking 20 year hot civilian Thai girl would hook up with a 40+ year old tourist for free. Do these girls just have sex with you and you never have to speak with them again or is there dead weight bothering you for the rest of your vacation?.Its because most are freelancers. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. 6+ years ago many "normal" girls used the sites in BKK / CM to meet normal farang expats. Girls in issan used it trying to meet potential foreign husbands that has changed. . BTW there are very, very few hot girls on there (from the Thai perspective). This is coming from a guy who banged a bunch of girls from thailovelinks back in the day. Quality office girls and uni students, not freelancers or even hardcore party girls. But I was 30, lived in Thailand and am not poor either. These days in Pattaya and BKK its mostly freelancers and some $ chasers. In Pattaya its 100% working girls, and a lot of the girls in Issan on it have worked in patts / Phuket at one time or another.
Now if you live here and have a good job, you as a decent looking 40 yo could date a 20 yo. Even upper class Thai girls date guys 10+ years older than them, and its not about money. Thai guys have a reputation for being very immature, so like women everywhere in the world they like a guy who has his shit together. Its not frowned upon to date someone much older, as long as the family thinks he's a good guy. Family approving of him is very important.
Mr Enternational
01-09-21, 18:58
First, I state that I am in my mid-60's and am looking for a "friendly girl aged 20-30 for short time a couple of times a week". That makes it clear that any girl who shows she is interested in me knows what I want.The problem is that you assume they have read that, which 99 times out of 100 they have not. You could just as well write blah blah blah and get the same results.
Its because most are freelancers. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. 6+ years ago many "normal" girls used the sites in BKK / CM to meet normal farang expats. Girls in issan used it trying to meet potential foreign husbands that has changed. . These days in Pattaya and BKK its mostly freelancers and some $ chasers. In Pattaya its 100% working girls,You say most then you say 100% which means all. Which is it? In my experience it is most. I still meet plenty of non-pro chicks. I am not saying that you should go searching for non-pro chicks because that is the quickest way not to find them. A lot of times chicks on dating sites ask what I am looking for. My answer always goes right over their heads. I am looking for whatever I can find. I keep an open mind and just ride with the wind and meet whoever I meet.
The dating websites are buzzing. I state that I am in my mid-60's and am looking for a "friendly girl aged 20-30 for short time a couple of times a week". That makes it clear that any girl who shows she is interested in me knows what I want. As soon as they click to show they are interested in me, I message to ask how much for short time. Some lie about their age and their photos are years old. But some I have had have been wonderful. Most have been ordinary working girls who have lost their jobs due to the collapse in tourism and lockdowns and these ordinary girls see doing a couple of sessions with an old, ugly farang like me each week as a convenient way of paying the rent. Informative. Helpful. Properly composed in standard written English. Thanks to Mr. 66 for taking the time to post.
Explorer8939
01-10-21, 04:37
How deadly is a virus if you need a test to tell you have it? Why are 90% of those "positive" results from people who do not exhibit a single symptom? How reliable is a test if a kiwi or coca cola returns a positive result? People can argue all they want but the bottom line is indisputable, 99.95% of all people who got this virus has lived.
You should not get your information from random web sites. Nor pass it along. Your "information" is wrong, just like there are some people with HIV who deny that it leads to AIDS. Misinformation can be deadly.
Anyway, I am in Pattaya, and am interested in how to hook up with ladies without using "dating" web sites.
BTW, it is inappropriate to post about "free" encounters on a mongering website.
Banana Boi
01-10-21, 05:56
Anyway, I am in Pattaya, and am interested in how to hook up with ladies without using "dating" web sites.I've met girls on the baht bus, a girl who worked in a restaurant I eat at, a hairdesser, lining up for a kebab, helping a girl waddle through thigh high water in a flood, other girls I met through friends (gogo girls do have civilian friends too), etc but mostly by just walking around. If I had a motorbike I'm sure I'd meet girls that way too just chatting with them at traffic lights. No dating site needed. Like Mr. E wisely said, if you seek civilian girls you won't find them. Just go with the flow and they appear when you least expect it. Don't appear to be too desperate or overly interested.
BTW, it is inappropriate to post about "free" encounters on a mongering website.
No encounter is entirely free. Payment for a Freebie girl just comes in another form such as feeding them, buying them drinks at a bar or restaurant, buying them a small item they wanted, buying a Barbie Doll for the girl's daughter, paying for their transportation, etc. Feeding them can easily be more expensive than paying for a girl on Soi 6. Thai girls can eat!
I'll tell you, because a lot of men lie. They lie, lie, lie, lie and lie.
I don't get this at all. Guess some guys are just extremely lonely, cheap, or don't have much going for them. I don't make up stories to girls. Don't see any need to. Take me the way I am or find another guy. The only thing I lie to girls about is my real name. Girls know I'm not their guy for the Long Game.
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BTW, it is inappropriate to post about "free" encounters on a mongering website.I doubt many if any dating site encounters where you're fucking within an hour or two of first meeting then she thanks you and moves on are free. The absolutely free fuck on a first meeting with a hot 20 year girl by anyone other than the sports, music, movie or tv star she'd been lusting for since grade school has got to be one of the rarest events in the civilized world.
Even if the money is not handed to the girl with, "Thanks for the Short Time" on her way out the door but instead is slipped into their bag with, "Here, let me help you get what your kids (mom, dad, sister, grandma, etc) need," it is still P4P. It is also in keeping with the Thai way of doing these things amongst themselves.
If not money directly, then alcohol, a ride home, a place to crash and sleep and so on or all of the above sometimes works, too. Then we can talk about the scams, tricks and lies about taking care of them, their family, their problems, etc.
I have yet to read a self-decribed "40+" punter here claiming to routinely get this particular kind of dating site exchange as it is typically characterized by other members; "40+ year old man fucking hot 20 year old girls they met online for free."
Mr Enternational
01-10-21, 06:23
BTW, it is inappropriate to post about "free" encounters on a mongering website.It seems you missed the sign at the entrance:
"The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. "
It says nothing about money.
HorseTrader
01-10-21, 07:50
I doubt many if any dating site encounters where you're fucking within an hour or two of first meeting then she thanks you and moves on are free. I typically cultivate my "freebies" for weeks to months in advance of my travels to Thailand. Lots of time in video chat before traveling. They do not turn out to be free, the most expensive sex is free sex. These are potential girlfriends and I'll spend much time with them. They are not hookers, they have normal jobs.
I can only remember one internet girl that I fucked for free the same day I contacted her. The other same day fucks were all paid.
Thai girls can eat!Correction: Thai girls can order. And then eat barely 50% of it, LOL.
Explorer8939
01-10-21, 08:46
Lots of stories here about the old days, how about some current info? Yeah, I know about ThaiFriendly, WhatsApp, et al, but I am looking to see where the ladies are hanging out now that the bars are closed.
Explorer8939
01-10-21, 08:49
Correction: Thai girls can order. And then eat barely 50% of it, LOL.It depends. If you take them to a fancy restaurant, they will order a lot, post a photo on Facebook and then pick at it.
If you go to a cheap Thai place, they will order a lot, and then, if you give them 3 hours, will eat it all.
NicFrenchy
01-10-21, 09:40
Lots of stories here about the old days, how about some current info? Yeah, I know about ThaiFriendly, WhatsApp, et al, but I am looking to see where the ladies are hanging out now that the bars are closed.Unfortunately, Joe Bloe will not have such info, but shop regulars could.
Some girls moved to LINE to promote their business, but as I said, you need to either know them or be vetted to be able to contact them.
My last convo with one of the massage girls (working out a condo), I was quoted 2100 THB for 90 minutes and only one SOG.
I laughed and wished the gal good luck.
.... but I am looking to see where the ladies are hanging out now that the bars are closed.They are all at home as everywhere is closed. You have to find them on ThaiFriendly, tinder and the other poorer sites and then contact them via Line.
Thai Friendly is pretty dead right now. Maybe I'll try some other sites like Tinder.
Mr Enternational
01-10-21, 11:35
Anyway, I am in Pattaya, and am interested in how to hook up with ladies without using "dating" web sites.
Lots of stories here about the old days, how about some current info? Yeah, I know about ThaiFriendly, WhatsApp, et al, but I am looking to see where the ladies are hanging out now that the bars are closed.Are you being serious right now? Since you are in Pattaya and hardly anyone else is, would it not make sense for you to be reporting that information?
Pattaya is really quiet right now. Thaifriendly and tinder girls are down as a lot of girls went back to their hometown assuming it will be a long lockdown. Sadly it seems like none of the ladyboys left, so you'll see plenty of them strolling around soi bukhao at night.
During the afternoon taking a drive down soi honey and some other side sois will show "closed" massage shops but with girls sitting out front waiting just like always.
... The only thing I lie to girls about is my real name. Girls know I'm not their guy for the Long Game.When my brother took me to my first brothel 48 years ago the first thing he told me is to never tell them my real name. Since then I have never ever told a hooker my real name. However, I tell every girl I hook up with on a dating site my real name even if she may turn out to be a working girl.
I have a sister who can spend an hour chatting when she answers a wrong number caller. Face to face I can sell sand to the Arabs but texting or chatting over the airwaves is a skill I sadly find wanting hence my envy of members who charm 20 year olds into meeting online and shagging for free. Fortunately I don't lack options even during shut downs, the benefits I guess of over 20 years residency but I sure wish I could crack this dating app scene where the chicks are free.I am sure there are farang who are 40 plus years old banging dating site girls for free but bet your bottom dollar these girls are not in their 20's and have looks that most of us would think it better to avoid.
I am sure there are farang who are 40 plus years old banging dating site girls for free but bet your bottom dollar these girls are not in their 20's and have looks that most of us would think it better to avoid.I wasn't going to post but got tempted, I've managed to get freebies in Manila and Bali. ,90% thru WeChat. You need to be lucky and the longer you stay in one place the luckier you get.
In Manila got chatting to a girl at 7:30 am and by 9 am she was in my hotel bed, best sex I had in Phils.
In Bali I had offers about every 3 to 4 weeks and most repeated. I was skeptical at 1st but all worked out good.
Girls ranged between 19 and 30 and a few nice lookers, but don't expect 9 or 10's.
Attached is a screenshot from one of the chats and I did control the recording.
I'm 55 and no George Clooney so it does happen but for me you need to be there for a few months.
Mr Enternational
01-10-21, 21:14
In Manila got chatting to a girl at 7:30 am and by 9 am she was in my hotel bed, best sex I had in Phils..You must have really been horny. I would be extra suspicious of a chick I did not know coming out and offering sex then asking if she could record it on top of that.
You must have really been horny. I would be extra suspicious of a chick I did not know coming out and offering sex then asking if she could record it on top of that.That chat extract was from Bali, and within 5 minutes I knew all was good. Many 'good' Muslim girls cannot risk sleeping with local guys in case the family find out so look for foreigners.
In Phils I had a quiet early night the day before so jumped at the chance of an early morning session.
Danny Duck
01-10-21, 23:34
I am sure there are farang who are 40 plus years old banging dating site girls for free but bet your bottom dollar these girls are not in their 20's and have looks that most of us would think it better to avoid.As opposed to the hot 500 baht chicks some seem to find.
As opposed to the hot 500 baht chicks some seem to find.I find plenty of 500 baht hot chicks, I just need to spend 2,000 baht for my beer goggles first to make them seem hot.
That chat extract was from Bali, and within 5 minutes I knew all was good. Many 'good' Muslim girls cannot risk sleeping with local guys in case the family find out so look for foreigners.Not many Muslim girls in Bali, good or not. 82% of the populatiion are Hindu.
Franciscass
01-11-21, 05:20
I am sure there are farang who are 40 plus years old banging dating site girls for free but bet your bottom dollar these girls are not in their 20's and have looks that most of us would think it better to avoid.No sorry it's true. Old guys get laid for free by chatting up beautiful 20 year olds on dating sites. I seen it online.
I wasn't going to post but got tempted, I've managed to get freebies in Manila and Bali. ,90% thru WeChat. You need to be lucky and the longer you stay in one place the luckier you get.
In Manila got chatting to a girl at 7:30 am and by 9 am she was in my hotel bed, best sex I had in Phils.
In Bali I had offers about every 3 to 4 weeks and most repeated. I was skeptical at 1st but all worked out good.
Girls ranged between 19 and 30 and a few nice lookers, but don't expect 9 or 10's.
Attached is a screenshot from one of the chats and I did control the recording.
I'm 55 and no George Clooney so it does happen but for me you need to be there for a few months.The record would put me off. Is she up to blackmail?
Explorer8939
01-11-21, 18:59
Are you being serious right now? Since you are in Pattaya and hardly anyone else is, would it not make sense for you to be reporting that information?I am in quarantine at the moment.
I will give a report after I get out. But I won't be using ThaiFriendly or any of the dating sites. And, no, I won't be pursuing any freebies like the nonsense being posted here.
Mr Enternational
01-11-21, 19:35
I am in quarantine at the moment.
I will give a report after I get out. But I won't be using ThaiFriendly or any of the dating sites. And, no, I won't be pursuing any freebies like the nonsense being posted here.Good luck with your plan then brother because everything is shut down and no more than 5 people can be in a social gathering. Maybe you will eye a chick at the grocery store or 7 Eleven that you can offer money to. Keep up with technology or get left behind. Just like nobody exchanges phone numbers anymore, only social media usernames. The game is on the internet now. You are fighting a losing battle.
The record would put me off. Is she up to blackmail?As I said, I controlled the recording and my face was never on it, but truly I'm more surprised she was ok with recording as she had a lot more to lose than me. I knew within minutes all was good, her mom texted her 5 times asking where she was and what time she would be home.
Not many Muslim girls in Bali, good or not. 82% of the populatiion are Hindu.Actually, its standard practice for good girls from Jakarta or Surabaya to let their hair down when they arrive and are away from judging eyes. As travel restrictions have allowed, 99% of tourists are now locals. I'd agree that the vast majority of workers are Balinese but there is also a significant number of Javanese etc who came over looking for work. Of course, this has been heavily impacted but the virus.
Enjoy. G.
I'll tell you, because a lot of men lie. They lie, lie, lie, lie and lie.Yes, and most women lie, lie, lie also. The biggest lie of all "I love you". If you don't believe me I suggest you read the Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar. Possibly the most informative book written by a woman and a real eye opener. This should be compulsory reading for all boys, before they enter the sexual market.
HorseTrader
01-11-21, 23:31
The biggest lie of all "I love you".I've received many "I love you" comments on 2nd dates from Isaan women. That phrase means "I'll stay with you and fuck your brains out as long as you take care of me and give money to my family." I've even heard it on video chat before I've met her face to face. Don't worry about it when you hear it.
I've received many "I love you" comments on 2nd dates from Isaan women. That phrase means "I'll stay with you and fuck your brains out as long as you take care of me and give money to my family." I've even heard it on video chat before I've met her face to face. Don't worry about it when you hear it.The various "I Love You!" stickers on Line work best with Thai girls and are faster to send. My best results (and theirs) seem to be with the ones featuring Mickey and Minnie Mouse, Cony and Snoopy.
Pimpampoumpipo
01-12-21, 15:20
Good luck with your plan then brother because everything is shut down and no more than 5 people can be in a social gathering. Maybe you will eye a chick at the grocery store or 7 Eleven that you can offer money to. Keep up with technology or get left behind. Just like nobody exchanges phone numbers anymore, only social media usernames. The game is on the internet now. You are fighting a losing battle.This is exactly the reason why I will not come at this time.
I gathered all the papers (Visa O-A, COE, etc.) and I was even ready to endure the quarantine. But at least to live in Pattaya before this 2nd confinement. There were no tourists but a few bars, massage parlors and gogos open. Again everything is closed. As you say.
But if it's to use only Thaifriendly no thanks. It's not even Pattaya's shadow to me. For me there is absolutely no interest in making such a trip under such conditions. Of course, if I was a stuck expat I would do it like everyone else.
I canceled everything last week: flight, hotel and COE. I prefer to wait. Maybe 1, 2 or 3 months. I've been waiting for 1 year, I can still wait a few months. By then there may be a vaccine for me and a health passport to avoid quarantine. We can always dream.
I hope the people there will let us know when life starts again.
I am in quarantine at the moment.
I will give a report after I get out. But I won't be using ThaiFriendly or any of the dating sites. And, no, I won't be pursuing any freebies like the nonsense being posted here.I wish there were special threads for freebie reports. I would not read them. Anytime I read a report and the poster starts to write about meeting a freebie I stop reading; they're all fantasies and totally worthless. Serial freebie reporters are crap and I totally ignore them. Now p4p reports interest me because I have a chance of actually meeting those girls.
This is exactly the reason why I will not come at this time.
I gathered all the papers (Visa O-A, COE, etc.) and I was even ready to endure the quarantine. But at least to live in Pattaya before this 2nd confinement. There were no tourists but a few bars, massage parlors and gogos open. Again everything is closed. As you say.
But if it's to use only Thaifriendly no thanks. It's not even Pattaya's shadow to me. For me there is absolutely no interest in making such a trip under such conditions. Of course, if I was a stuck expat I would do it like everyone else.
I canceled everything last week: flight, hotel and COE. I prefer to wait. Maybe 1, 2 or 3 months. I've been waiting for 1 year, I can still wait a few months. By then there may be a vaccine for me and a health passport to avoid quarantine. We can always dream. I hope the people there will let us know when life starts again.I agree with you, for the most part. I too will be vaccinated this year, eventually. But I doubt if a vaccination certificate and health passport (whatever that might be) will avoid travel quarantine requirement for Thailand anytime soon. Certainly, I would not see the authorities accepting vaccination as an alternative to quarantine for a long time unless the evidence is clear from first responder countries like Israel, UK and others who are enthusiastically grasping the vaccine rollout. There are just too many clinical unknowns, even among the so-called experts. Other countries with low vaccination uptake rates (for whatever reason) will only muddy the waters further.
I too have been waiting a year to get back to Thailand and have already cancelled 2 trips in that time. All along I've been watching and hoping for some positives. I even said to myself I would endure the Quarantine and Visa / COE dances and hoops, to spend some time there. But then the problem accelerated again and the inevitable happened on the ground in Thailand. I see no point in spending time in a locked down Thailand. Start / stop lockdowns make it impossible to plan.
Explorer8939
01-12-21, 20:31
Good luck with your plan then brother because everything is shut down and no more than 5 people can be in a social gathering. Maybe you will eye a chick at the grocery store or 7 Eleven that you can offer money to. Keep up with technology or get left behind. Just like nobody exchanges phone numbers anymore, only social media usernames. The game is on the internet now. You are fighting a losing battle.I am in Pattaya, and from reading the local media, the lockdown seems to be in its final stages. By the end of the month, the bars should be opening again.
My question remains, how to find ladies without using online services. Telling me not to go to Thailand is useless. I am here now, and have to tough it out for a couple of weeks more until the lockdown eases up.
Danny Duck
01-13-21, 02:26
I am in Pattaya, and from reading the local media, the lockdown seems to be in its final stages. By the end of the month, the bars should be opening again.
My question remains, how to find ladies without using online services. Telling me not to go to Thailand is useless. I am here now, and have to tough it out for a couple of weeks more until the lockdown eases up.Grocery stores. Eyeglass shops. Banks. Offices. Walk the Beach. 7-11.
Get out in Public. My girl say just No customers even though they are still making themselves available.
Danny Duck
01-13-21, 03:34
There's a high superstar at Rainbow who say her way of dealing with Stress is to go Shopping. Haha.
Right on her FB page.
I am in Pattaya, and from reading the local media, the lockdown seems to be in its final stages. By the end of the month, the bars should be opening again.
My question remains, how to find ladies without using online services. Telling me not to go to Thailand is useless. I am here now, and have to tough it out for a couple of weeks more until the lockdown eases up.That's news to me and I live here. I didn't realize that the recent order banning all but essential inter-provincial travel was such a good sign.
Mr Enternational
01-13-21, 04:43
My question remains, how to find ladies without using online services. Telling me not to go to Thailand is useless. I am here now, and have to tough it out for a couple of weeks more until the lockdown eases up.Okay. If you have not snagged one in a couple more days, your best bet will be going to Isan.
"Foreign sponsors or back to Isan only options for many Pattaya bargirls"
https://www.pattayamail.com/news/foreign-sponsors-or-back-to-isan-only-options-for-many-pattaya-bargirls-340169
Okay. If you have not snagged one in a couple more days, your best bet will be going to Isan.
"Foreign sponsors or back to Isan only options for many Pattaya bargirls"
https://www.pattayamail.com/news/foreign-sponsors-or-back-to-isan-only-options-for-many-pattaya-bargirls-340169I've got a crazy suggestion.
How about walk down the street and actually talk to some of the passing girls or those running the mentioned cholera carts? Maybe a girl will talk back and strike up a conversation.
Boy meets girl. Girl says "Hi". Boy asks "Suck my dick?" Girl says "Sure". Its a romantic tale that's been happening for millennia. 😁.
Enjoy. G.
Banana Boi
01-13-21, 06:25
My question remains, how to find ladies without using online services. Telling me not to go to Thailand is useless. I am here now, and have to tough it out for a couple of weeks more until the lockdown eases up.Why not meet up with some of the guys who are in Pattaya at this time? If the guy thinks you're ok then he will set you up with some of his girls. Monkeypaw is in town and he will meet up with everyone. His list of active available Pattaya contacts is likely longer than anyone else on this board except for maybe Mr. E. Send MP a PM.
NicFrenchy
01-13-21, 07:14
I am in Pattaya,.... how to find ladies without using online services.That got a good chuckle out of me.
Take a long stroll through Pattaya streets, linger a bit and you will be approached by working ladies. Hiding in their closed shop, being discreet, or just walking about to find punters.
I've got a crazy suggestion.
How about walk down the street and actually talk to some of the passing girls or those running the mentioned cholera carts? Maybe a girl will talk back and strike up a conversation.
Boy meets girl. Girl says "Hi". Boy asks "Suck my dick?" Girl says "Sure". Its a romantic tale that's been happening for millennia. 😁.
Enjoy. G.As romantic as Paul Anka's song - 𝄞 Put your leg on my shoulder ♬.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvxagNIBVLU
Pimpampoumpipo
01-13-21, 15:57
But I doubt if a vaccination certificate and health passport (whatever that might be) will avoid travel quarantine requirement for Thailand anytime soon.Yes for now all we can do is wait and see
https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1201327-tourism-chiefs-call-for-foreigners-vaccinated-against-covid-19-to-be-allowed-to-enter-thailand/.
My question remains, how to find ladies without using online services. Take a walkdown soi honey in the afternoon multiple massage shops have girls hanging out in front. Technically the shop is closed but its actually open. If you are worried they will go to your room also. Got to walk / drive around a bit and you will see other "closed" shops with girls out front.
Talk to girls, there are plenty around the soi bukhao area around dinner time, they are all working girls or once were. Don't be shy, worst case girl has a BF and says no thanks when you ask for her Line ID. Once you do meet these girls ask if you know of anywhere open. I heard rumor of a bar with freelancers and shisha that's open somewhere but I have no interest in sitting in a smoky room so didn't follow up.
Prattaya66
01-15-21, 10:22
Thailand is difficult to get into. And Pattaya is in lockdown with all entertainment places closed till end January at least. But dating sites are doing great business. I'm in my third week out of quarantine and am working my way through the 40 or so girls on one dating website who nave contacted me offering 'short time'. My observation is that those over 27 or 28 tend to lie about their age and use photos from several years ago. But those between 18 and say 25 have no need to lie and mostly use recent photos.
My other observation for what it's worth is that Covid-19 is going to wreck the gogo bar business. After all, if you can get a cutie from a dating website for 1,000 to 1,500 baht, who will want to pay for lady drinks and barfines? Moreover, one lovely 24-year-old I just had told me she could get 5 customers a day from dating websites. So there's no need for girls like her to hang around Beach Road for hours or work in gogos or Soi 6 till 2 or 3 in the morning.
But maybe after Covid-19 has passed a mass invasion of Chinese and Indian gentlemen will save the gogo bar business? Who knows?
My other observation for what it's worth is that Covid-19 is going to wreck the gogo bar business. After all, if you can get a cutie from a dating website for 1,000 to 1,500 baht, who will want to pay for lady drinks and barfines? Moreover, one lovely 24-year-old I just had told me she could get 5 customers a day from dating websites. So there's no need for girls like her to hang around Beach Road for hours or work in gogos or Soi 6 till 2 or 3 in the morning.I agree the gogo business will not be as good in the future. But there will always be people that want to go someplace at night. I wouldn't want to stay in a hotel room at night every night. I also prefer to interact with my girls as part of the selection process. On my last trip which was 6 weeks in duration, I went to gogos 5 times per week. I only barfined about 4-5 times total from a gogo which is an all time low for me. I used to barfine 4-5 times per week from gogos. It has become too costly for me and for most people with a budget. There will always be gogos but I think we'll see far fewer in number unless they can reinvent themselves into something that costs less. Covid will definitely eliminate a lot of them.
Danny Duck
01-16-21, 04:56
I agree the gogo business will not be as good in the future. But there will always be people that want to go someplace at night. I wouldn't want to stay in a hotel room at night every night. I also prefer to interact with my girls as part of the selection process. On my last trip which was 6 weeks in duration, I went to gogos 5 times per week. I only barfined about 4-5 times total from a gogo which is an all time low for me. I used to barfine 4-5 times per week from gogos. It has become too costly for me and for most people with a budget. There will always be gogos but I think we'll see far fewer in number unless they can reinvent themselves into something that costs less. Covid will definitely eliminate a lot of them.I keep track of my agogo attendance. 2 AgogoS per night every night equals 60 potential visits a month.
Month after month I hit 95% visitation rate.
Out of 60 I actually have 57 sittings. LOL.
Why do you think agogo won't be the same. Covid goes We come back.
Maybe govt will be Friendlier and Adult scene can be like 1999. Maybe not so on this one.
I keep track of my agogo attendance. 2 AgogoS per night every night equals 60 potential visits a month.
Month after month I hit 95% visitation rate.
Out of 60 I actually have 57 sittings. LOL.
Why do you think agogo won't be the same. Covid goes We come back.
Maybe govt will be Friendlier and Adult scene can be like 1999. Maybe not so on this one.Internet websites will continue to offer girls at much lower prices which means less barfines for bar owners. Gogos will have even more trouble finding girls than they have recently because girls can make money online. Gogos will continue to exist because guys will still want to go out at night but they won't be the same. In a worst case gogos will become more like American style strip clubs where girls dance and tease.
I'm just speculating, but maybe women will work at gogo bars bc they like hanging out with their friends drinking. It didn't seem to me most women most were about getting as much money as they could. Many might prefer lady drinks and some groping over sex with several strangers in a day.
Internet websites will continue to offer girls at much lower prices which means less barfines for bar owners. Gogos will have even more trouble finding girls than they have recently because girls can make money online. Gogos will continue to exist because guys will still want to go out at night but they won't be the same. In a worst case gogos will become more like American style strip clubs where girls dance and tease.
Danny Duck
01-17-21, 04:32
I'm just speculating, but maybe women will work at gogo bars bc they like hanging out with their friends drinking. It didn't seem to me most women most were about getting as much money as they could. Many might prefer lady drinks and some groping over sex with several strangers in a day.Very astute.
Way too many girls are partying like it's 1999 in their Bars.
Some Party a little. Others hardly at all.
Funny thing is at the Rainbows you never see one in a Drunken stupor.
P.S. It may be different at the end of a shift.
NicFrenchy
01-17-21, 04:52
Gogos will have even more trouble finding girls than they have recently because girls can make money online.I have to disagree, The Thai lady of the night is not a lone wolf, she prefers the comfort and security of the pack / environment.
She may offer herself online but much prefers company and fun rather than the cold and unsuccessful messaging apps.
Also, most these girls come from upcountry so to them, the bar or massage scene is a proven, successful model.
Banana Boi
01-17-21, 06:38
Gogo bars will be just fine when the Japanese and Koreans return. They're the driving force behind the Pattaya gogo scene. Other than Sapphire, Windmill, and maybe Kink and Skyfall the Farang gogo bars didn't do very well even pre-COVID.
Mr Enternational
01-17-21, 15:35
Take a walkdown soi honey in the afternoon multiple massage shops have girls hanging out in front. Technically the shop is closed but its actually open. If you are worried they will go to your room also. Got to walk / drive around a bit and you will see other "closed" shops with girls out front.You mean like this one?
"A Pattaya massage shop was raided and 7 women were arrested for allegedly violating the Emergency Decree and disease control measures ordering the certain nonessential businesses to close. Police say the shop was "pretending" to be closed by pulling the shutter partly down and keeping the lights off. "
https://thethaiger.com/news/pattaya/pattaya-massage-shop-raided-for-allegedly-violating-closure-order?amp
... In a worst case gogos will become more like American style strip clubs where girls dance and tease.In that case they will be frequented only by Americans.
Banana Boi
01-18-21, 02:11
You mean like this one?
"A Pattaya massage shop was raided and 7 women were arrested for allegedly violating the Emergency Decree and disease control measures ordering the certain nonessential businesses to close. Police say the shop was "pretending" to be closed by pulling the shutter partly down and keeping the lights off. "
https://thethaiger.com/news/pattaya/pattaya-massage-shop-raided-for-allegedly-violating-closure-order?ampYou wouldn't catch me in one of those shops illegally open. If I saw a girl I liked I would call her to the street and go to my place.
The Soi 6 bars have now moved their Live feeds to their scummy rooms.
Alex Deuce
01-18-21, 11:42
In that case they will be frequented only by Americans.No it won't. They will get the same American, Korean, Chinese, and weekend monger crowd they were always getting. GoGo / strip club game don't change regardless of what continent one lives in. Just because it's not one persons thing don't mean one can speak for anyone else.
You wouldn't catch me in one of those shops illegally open. If I saw a girl I liked I would call her to the street and go to my place.
The Soi 6 bars have now moved their Live feeds to their scummy rooms.My friend who lives in Pattaya told me many bars in Soi 6 are closed but they open just for you if you want fuck a lady. Few ladies work, but the bars are closed! They open the bar just for you and then you go directly to the room. Or if you prefer, the lady go to your room directly!
Banana Boi
01-19-21, 05:42
In that case they will be frequented only by Americans.Koreans and Japanese don't need to grope girls in the gogo bars. Unlike Farang who feel the need to grab as much tits and ass as they can for their single lady drink, Asians will just sit on their hands and continually buy drinks.
Koreans and Japanese don't need to grope girls in the gogo bars. Unlike Farang who feel the need to grab as much tits and ass as they can for their single lady drink, Asians will just sit on their hands and continually buy drinks.And that's why it was two separate scenes in days of yore. IMHO, when the scene switched to being more Asian oriented it ceased to be fun and became poor value for money. That's when I stopped my GoGo patronage.
And yes, I do expect to grope and feel for the cost of a drink!
And that's why it was two separate scenes in days of yore. IMHO, when the scene switched to being more Asian oriented it ceased to be fun and became poor value for money. That's when I stopped my GoGo patronage.
And yes, I do expect to grope and feel for the cost of a drink!Not from what I've seen. Get those guys liquored up and they lose their inhibitions and let go. That's why it used to be between Black / White or Japanese / Koreans in those bars, women would tend to flock towards the Asians even though they were excessively feely, they dropped more cash.
Not from what I've seen. Get those guys liquored up and they lose their inhibitions and let go. That's why it used to be between Black / White or Japanese / Koreans in those bars, women would tend to flock towards the Asians even though they were excessively feely, they dropped more cash.I've not seen that behavior often.
20 years ago you rarely saw Japanese punters in GoGos. A few in Rainbow. They all went to Soi Thaniya to clubs westerns were not allowed in, unless with a Japanese dude, and then only some clubs.
I've not seen that behavior often.
20 years ago you rarely saw Japanese punters in GoGos. A few in Rainbow. They all went to Soi Thaniya to clubs westerns were not allowed in, unless with a Japanese dude, and then only some clubs.There is a big difference in the way a Japanese acts at "home" in Japan and when abroad. When abroad, they will lose their inhibitions and do what you wouldn't expect. I've seen them in the But me drink bars from Honolulu to Singapore and when they are there and liquored up, they are a different person. I once walked into a bar in Singapore and there were only 3 customers, me and 2 Japanese dudes. Guess which one table had all the women sitting around with drinks flowing and a lot of touchy feely going on.
Even more so, here in Japan they have plenty of places where us non-Japanese can't enter, even if you speak the language. I was escorted into one that did allow strangers and as you would expect, the typical salaryman was wild with abandon, and this was in what was called a "BJ" bar where the hostesses would walk from table to table with offers of drinks, a squeeze on the tits and a BJ if the price is right.
Prattaya66
01-20-21, 06:07
I thought some readers might find this useful. I am in my fourth week out of quarantine here in Pattaya and am using one of the main dating sites for the first time as all the bars and gogos are closed and Beach Road is deserted. Even though I am overweight, balding, ugly and in my mid-60's, I have over 60 girls / women who have contacted me offering to do short time for prices between 1,000 and 1,500 baht. Some of those contacting me haven't been too attractive and many have lied about their age and used photos from several years ago. But some of those girls aged 18 to 25 have been wonderful.
TheSatellite
01-21-21, 15:27
I thought some readers might find this useful. I am in my fourth week out of quarantine here in Pattaya and am using one of the main dating sites for the first time as all the bars and gogos are closed and Beach Road is deserted. Even though I am overweight, balding, ugly and in my mid-60's, I have over 60 girls / women who have contacted me offering to do short time for prices between 1,000 and 1,500 baht. Some of those contacting me haven't been too attractive and many have lied about their age and used photos from several years ago. But some of those girls aged 18 to 25 have been wonderful.Thanks for the report. Which dating site are you using?
I've not seen that behavior often.
20 years ago you rarely saw Japanese punters in GoGos. A few in Rainbow. They all went to Soi Thaniya to clubs westerns were not allowed in, unless with a Japanese dude, and then only some clubs.You will find Japanese in most of the Go-Go's in Bangkok; Soi Cowboy especially. In fact, Baccara on Soi Cowboy is almost all Japanese at some times. I imagine Bangkok is popular if they are in town for "business", LOL. Just my input.
Prattaya66
01-22-21, 01:55
I've found that TF seems to be the best.
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